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Will any of the federal party leaders give us something to believe in?

The Big Story

23:58 min | 1 year ago

Will any of the federal party leaders give us something to believe in?

"In a way most federal elections are Kinda deja-vu every four years you see Red Blue Orange Lawn signs hines pop up all around your neighborhood attack ads eat up all the commercial spaces. You try to watch T._V.. Justin Trudeau he's just not ready maybe tune into the televised debate but probably not then on Ebay you do your civic duty and had to a local school jam or community center stand behind that cardboard cardboard thing or check a box. Perhaps you have to work late. Never quite make it well folks. This October will be every four years again. Are you ready. We do even care twenty fifteen election how to sixty eight point three percent voter turnout the highest since nineteen ninety three still not amazing Prime Minister Justin Intruder and his liberals pulled off a stunner of comeback then leaping from third place to majority rule. Who's going to bring that magic now that those sunny ways have been eclipsed by the letters S._N._C. Z. and neither conservatively enter sheer nor that N._d._p.'s Jagmeet Singh proven? They're up to the job. I'm Sarah Bosvelt in for Jordan Heath Rawlings. This is the big story just as a freelance journalist and host of the podcast broadcast auto and Canada land back in the spring. He wrote an article for vice about why he thinks this slate of potential prime ministers is deeply underwhelming thanks for coming on Justin Avenue so I get the sense that you're not really too jazzed about any of the leaders from the major parties anyway going into this election. Tell me what's going through in your mind hadn't October. Well you know I think with my mind is that none of them impressed me and my opinion seems to be shared by roughly the majority of the country tree who don't like any of the three major party leaders neither of the three have actually said out any kind of thoughtful actually meaningful a platform for what they plan to do if they were ever to take control of the country and generally they've they've reverted back to the worst kind of meaningless pot itunes and end sort of partisan jabs that that are becoming increasingly common over the last decade or so <hes> so you know my point of view is that I I want to like them. I I like the idea of actually being fond of all of the leaders of the Party so that I'm not you know unhappy if any one of them takes over but currently does not how I feel. I mean going back a few two years like you. I I think even people didn't fully glum onto Stefan Michalak. Naturally they generally likes them. It was not they did not have this. I think we we currently have for leaders but you know unfortunately the actual daylight between a lot of what they're pledging is relatively minor but the <hes> amount of vitriol and sort of anger that they're trying to whip up is is pretty noticeable and that really bums for US yeah so why don't you set the table for us about that vitriol and that polarization and the nastiness you know in this piece that you wrote for you kind of alluded to a feeling of deja Vu you know you felt this way before for the two thousand sixteen election <hes> and you just now said maybe it's been going on for a little longer than that this sort of feeling of being disillusioned by what what's on offer very you know why why is that feeling in the air and why are you feeling it right so I it is funny. I did get a serious case of deja Vu before twenty fifteen election but in the end in two thousand fifteen sort of proven wrong <hes> you know looking at Thomas Mulcair versus Stephen Harper there was the two leaders who again were not promising significantly different it platforms but found these wedge issue these individual points points of contention that were supposed to sort of <hes> you know drive voters to the poll or drive opposition Supporters Supporters Away <hes> Stephen Harper was promising to bend the Niqab for federal public servants. We always forget this but that was part of his election platform. There was absolutely disgusting. <hes> meanwhile well Thomas Mulcair basically write a platform of saying we get rid of Steven Harper number on parodies Stephen Harper and everything else is sort of relevant <hes> and it was just a nasty unpleasant campaign until until I mean like him or hate him or really like him or don't like his policies. Justin Trudeau came out with basically a pretty aggressive platform with some pretty big ideas <hes> that were were novel in that were new and that actually talk to voters like they were adults instead of trying to treat them like variables on <hes> you a polling chart that needed to be managed God forbid you treat <hes> human voters like human beings but I'm worried that that's not gonNA happen this time <hes> because it doesn't seem seem I mean Justin Trudeau is still running and seems to have forgotten what he was running on for years ago or been broken by the political system. I don't know <hes> meanwhile Jagmeet Singh seems seems like he wants to be that guy but has been completely incapable of actually <hes> playing that role in any adequate way. Meanwhile injure sheer keeps claiming that he's Stephen Harper with a smile uh-huh but I'm not even convinced about the smile anymore. <hes> you know each busy telling everyone to resign right after essence you it was like he must step down. We always just the end e._p._A.. Under Thomas Mulcair if you ask everybody to resign nobody's going to <hes> so you know I think Canadians are rightfully in me personally having covered our politics are tired of politics as the way it's being played over the last several years that no longer feels like we're addressing serious issues. It feels like we are are you know game pieces on in the War Room Chessboard <hes> and that's really frustrating and I think it's going to take somebody coming out here and actually providing providing some real concrete solutions to the issues we face now. I'll give you an example <hes> you know. The the vast majority of the country is stuck in the middle of a housing affordability crisis time <hes> and and this is an issue for for one of the first times in generations. We're starting Turn for Canadians is being replaced by climate change housing affordability <hes> now on housing affordability. You can't tell me that any of these parties have a serious thoughtful aggressive plan and to address this issue. <hes> Andrea Sherr barely talks about it. Justin Trudeau keeps claiming that his planet Transformational Department you budget officer basically said that his plan has done nothing significant. If anything it may have actually decreased funding from the Harper Yours for a points of serious <hes> lack of supply for affordable housing not good for the young voter that Justin Trudeau is very enriching as he did in two thousand fifteen jagmeet Singh just released a set of priorities in June where he you know basically tried to set m._c._i.. Being the champion of affordable housing even his plan is meek. It's it's a big chunk of change over ten years for coming in five this some start up funding but most of it is for private developers. Just try to start building affordable housing. We've generally seen that has that has been tried and never brought online. The number of units is actually necessary an UN- frankly it's woefully insufficient to the problem we're facing and even he's not talking about it that often. He's getting drawn into these. These sort of irrelevant sideshow fights climate chains being the other thing you know Andrew Scheer is is treating tweeting voters like trump's by saying that he's going to have a plan that's going to do more than a carbon pricing strategy which is not in line with any evidence any research or any facts that we have available to us. He's lying to us. He's treating idiots and I find that very frustrating. Meanwhile Justin Trudeau entire climate pricing plan is being presented as a panacea. That's crucifix everything and that we don't need to do anymore. It's either that or nothing being everything to exactly I mean certainly and I've covered feminism and just intruders you know government and that's been that kind of bit him in the bud and what the essence east and again Jagmeet Singh is slightly more for an expanded version Justin Trudeau but again not substantially addressing the issues head on that Canadians are saying they're number one is Sean. I think the concern with Jagmeet Singh thing too is that is his visibility as well. He's not really been able to get capture headlines or be reached people with his his message yet anyway anyway. I mean there's still enough time potentially right Justin Trudeau came out from behind out of fortunately nowhere but I'm not seeing sort of ambition that was behind Justin Trudeau I mean the reality is Justin. Trudeau and the Liberal Party had started sort of percolating and strategizing those big things <hes> you know well before he shot to the top of the polls. I'm not seeing that ambition from Jagmeet Singh Jagmeet Singh seems the seemed to think that if they do what they did last time to work magically it that is positioned themselves as a as a slightly more Progressive Justin Trudeau then everyone will just come around to them in the Volta Victory. I don't think it's GonNa Happen and now I'm talking about issues that matter more for center-left photos but even if you're on the Senate right I think you have it'd be frustrated. I mean even Andrew Scheer initially came out and started dumping and saying he's going to balance the budget immediately totally backed off that position. He's no longer even kind of pledging to balance the budget any sooner than the prime minister so even even again climate climate should be a very good conservative issue and Stephen Harper in the middle of his mandate basically said he basically said we're we're going to incur long term costs or have them sort of hoisted on us by the international community or face them by <hes> having to be for climate adaptation strategies if we don't address this now so the conservative responsible long term thinking <hes> thing to do is to price carbon and use the revenue to actually help with <hes> you know mitigation nations strategies to help with Reducing C._O.. Two in other countries to help you know actually get us into a green economy and help invest in companies that can do really well in the green economy. I don't know where the Conservative Party has gone but it seems to have disappeared so tell me about leadership and what Canadians are. Maybe looking for in a leader at this point in time in twenty nine hundred. It sounds like you know you're pointing to hey destroy us some concrete solutions and some real ideas that will actually make our lives better on the ground but it sort of reminds me of you know the will the all the Obama years too. It's like hope and change and I think the Trudeau government did play into that. They actually used some advisers from that time and I I wonder how like is that. Is that an old idea now. How can people see through that like in terms of talking about not doing politics as usual that has now become politics as usual in some ways true but what we see we always forget about the Obama years especially the early Obama years is that we write them off as being hopefully changing all this but he actually spoke really forcefully on specific issues I mean he got up there and started? Ah Thumping away on the Iraq war in America needs to end its involvement in foreign entanglements <hes> he spoke very forcefully at financial reform. After the the Disney crisis he spoke spoke very pointedly on healthcare of course he pledged some form of single payer healthcare on the campaign trail that obviously of course didn't mean like people don't remember Al what they remember when they go to the ballot box. That guy made me feel something be now initiative both if you see a leading up there and delivering platitudes with nothing behind it you do get frustrated straighted. You do kind of get the feeling that actually speaking to you the speaking sort of above your about you right so I think personal sort of <hes> style means a lot plot <hes> but I think it has to be coupled with actual sort of solutions about real world problems of course that is the exact point of politics isn't it you know it's not that their popularity pretty contest of anger who can connect with voters the most and go buy a beer with them. It's about who can actually deliver solutions and strategies and who do you trust actually act them and you know it seems that the professionalization of politics has is completely kind of removed that core <hes> but you see people breaking through it all the time Bernie Sanders is a prime example. He actually speaks <hes> you know without much veneer. He speaks very forcefully. Pointedly specific issue doesn't speak with veneer. That's part of the reason why don't trump did so well. He actually spoke to people like their people. <hes> we might not like what he said. We may not like the the the policies he's implementing but he spoke I felt like they were being played and I don't blame. There's a cynicism right. You know there's there's like people feel used all over the place these days right which is why. I get really tired when politicians get up on stage and and say oh we need to fight citizen politics. Make sure people go to the polls. Why would they none of you. None of you have convinced me that there will be any significant change for the better elect you I all your commits music significant change for the worse via lecture opponent <hes> and I realize this is not a new phenomenon but it's gotten much worse <hes> you know and and I think the the the the online polarization of politics has made his homage words. I wonder what makes it worse today. It's not just the Internet I think again the professionalization of politics you mean by that well <hes> so the virtualization of politics is become a multi million dollar multi billion dollar industry of it. We don't even lobbyists and things like that. Lobby the vendors the strategists just the pollsters the advertising groups they all kind of plays at the national window wisdom of how things are supposed to sound and look and how you're supposed to talk to people on the flipside online we've seen gene the actual message being take away from the parties and being given over to small sort of special interest groups or individuals or activists <hes> you know in the summer now and it's been gone for about about a month or so like you see if you're watching a baseball game or something you'll see <hes> they look like attack ads and they are but they're not party attack at like because of some of the rules that they enacted right they brought these these interest groups that are aligned with certain parties are able to do this advertising four parties actually get at the very least those those organizations. Ontario Ontario Proud north ninety nine both groups and left and the right <hes> have to disclose their donors and they're spending for the most part <hes> within the pre period and the right period. There's a lot of people balon line who are activists who is angry people who set up facebook page after facebook page our facebook page to push <hes> you know very you know extremist best points of view and that's that's fine that some degree that's free speech <hes> but it's not helping it's making things significantly worse you know I have. I have a facebook page where I only follow. Oh <hes> you know very these very usually far right facebook groups and it's it's terrifying to watch tens of thousands of people get drawn into this very angry very bitter very extreme world than in bubble that draws you into thinking the prime minister should be freezing people feel something right yeah. They're pulling people towards an emotion. <hes> you know that's going to take them to the ballot box. Which is maybe something? It sounds like the leaders need to be tapping into in a way that is more meaningful rainfall and positive and productive actually give people something constructive to to believe in and to care about then that that goes a long way <hes> and I think there's <hes> there's there's a party there and leaders around the world that that have done this <hes> in different ways. You know you look at Syria and Greece far left party that actually sort of tried to corral people from all across the spectrum into <hes> you know kind of a national unity project around kind of restructuring the economy and and the social statement and you can say what you will about you know his is what the eight years in power but the things look pretty good in Greece in the rise of far-right extremism seems to kind of sort of stopped so what was the key to that success. It was like dividing around the economy speaking to people like adults again. I keep coming back onto the bed. I know it sounds like a really simple solution but actually talking to people like their people <hes> as opposed to being sort of you know subset of the demographic that you need to win over you know everything feels very very micro targeted. It and it's very unfortunate now. I don't think everyone is as guilty of this is the other but you know. Elizabeth may actually good example of somebody who hasn't totally fallen in this chap who still does talk to people like their people and I was just going to raise her as a as an example of somebody who maybe speaks more freely certainly than the other leaders do sometimes her peril <hes> <music> but tell me about <hes> whether there is some advantage <hes> to her going into October's election given that their husbands some success for the Green Party on the provincial level and the number of months and I think the Green Party has been successful because they've been running people who are not usually involved in the political game they've been running people who <hes> our or dentists and Ecologists Biologists people who don't who have been outside the political game for a long time and have been looking at it and going this isn't working for me and coming on and talking to people in saying listen if you believe climate the climate crisis is top of mind issue it will here's what we have to do to address it and yeah it might mean higher taxes and it might mean higher cost of gas at the pump open. That's we'll figure out a way to mitigate that but that's what it's GonNa cost you there. There is something very refreshing about that whereas Andrew Scheer that they're telling you that you can have your cake and eat it too and also the climate climate will fix itself and gas will be cheaper. I'm just like you yeah second. I'm sorry you're lying to me. Well Justin Trudeau. We'll tell you we only have to do this. One tiny thing and then everything will be fine to be the one one tiny thing for me that the carbon pricing scheme the thing that I've done everything will be fine right. If you don't vote for me to lose it and your host will to be on fire and so I think it's unfortunate I it is sort of it is deceiving the public into a very simple binary solution and it's not there there are complex complex solutions to complex problems. People also want to vote for something not necessarily against something which really is what it kind of felt like in two thousand fifteen there is a lot of Steven Harper had is two terms and he was running the kind of campaign that he ran and so there are a lot of people are like no thanks for the third place party that was discounted as an option because because again he came you know the Justin Trudeau came out and and I think whatever you think it was rhetorical style and Lee spoke to people like you know they were thoughtful. Rational beings <hes> instead of sort of like you know mindless automatons who sort of awfully between parties based on <hes> who who the most tired of what the pulling tells you now. I don't think Elizabeth may is necessarily going to do the same thing that the the the Trudeau did. I mean I could be wrong. <hes> you know she's also has you know her rough edges as well and made some mistakes she decided to bring on. Strategist Warren could sell as a as a an adviser of some kind and he's been. Why is that a mistake well? I mean he bills himself as the dark Lord which I think is a wild overselling of his own capabilities but you know he he's a longtime sort of hanger on of of Liberal campaigns that I think is very vested him at old style. Oh you're suggesting that maybe she's bringing. She's kind of buying into this professional. It's one hundred percent Volkswagen and we'll see what her campaign look slack <hes> but yeah it's absolutely possible I mean we'll see we'll see how things go and there's still a lot of room for one of these leaders to sort of slap themselves into reality and start talking like their actual real people all trying to do better for the country as opposed to somebody playing a game. I haven't seen that yet but it's so possible and so I was going to ask you sort of what so what needs to change then in between now the summer and October in terms of how these parties <hes> reach people and get out the vote we had a sixty eight percent of voter turnout last federal federal election this time no right and that was the highest since nineteen ninety-three <hes> so one is to bring people to the polls feeling like yes. I WanNa vote for something in this election election. Everyone needs to do everything differently. Everything differently. No I'm not going to I think I think voter turnout will be significantly depressed. I don't think you're gonNA see a a clear victor in a in this election I- typical for like elections where an there's an incumbent leader not I mean not necessarily I mean especially you know a <hes> an election after you've had a majority government of a leader that has done kind of poorly towards mandate in terms of polling data. There's no there's no precedent for this. That doesn't tend to happen you know I think there's some degree the second mandate is the second election after being mandate. It's going to be less of an exciting affair but <hes> this is. We're in uncharted territory. We're seeing the rise of one term government candidate which we haven't generally had but you know there there is a tunnel in the electorate right now then you can see this worldwide <hes> it's sort of hard to predict I mean you know it's very possible that drug me single romped to a big majority victory or that Eliza may will will take forty-six. We don't know I mean no no one would have anticipated that a comedian leading sort of nonpartisan collection of wing nuts and Weirdos in Italy would would end up foreign government with a far-right anti-immigration the party but trump was shot. He was a joke for a long time. Yeah exactly I mean you know comedians and and sort of <hes> you know anti-establishment figure done very well everywhere I mean we don't know if maximum Bernie is GONNA pick up. You know twenty seven the Max. I don't count him out pretty unlikely but I mean it's hard to say conclusively because what we can see from Poland where you can tell from talking to people is that people aren't happy with their choices. They're not happy with the prime minister that that that promised big and under delivered avert they're not happy with an opposition leader who seems to <hes> be willing to throw truth and facts to the fire. If it means him getting elected they're not happy with and A and E. P. leader who seems incapable of kind of getting through the noise and actually you know conveying vision for the country that they're actually believing in and they're not quite sold on Elizabeth May <hes> you know who's never done better than one seat in an election before so <hes> and and certainly happy with Matt Mad Max who is playing footsie with white supremacist so I do I think people bler looking at the field and saying I don't know where to go with this. I think the probably park their vote with somebody in sort of a unhappy way and hope that next time around as a better option now ed better option might be of a new leader one of the parties or maybe a new party altogether you know it's hard to say where the electorate will go <hes> but I think you know if you are telling people. You're very visible. What's going to happen you? You probably wrong. Maybe you want to answer this question as a political journalist but who you go for your I I tend to go for my local M._p.. That's how I avoid. That's a good tip for people though like get engaged with your local races and see who you like th that's generally how we do it. I mean I can tell you that not this time around but in in previous elections I've had party that won't vote for based on <hes> on the record but generally I look at hello candidate is and who had like and you know who's actually a viable option and that's vote for an over a year to voter for four different parties on the national and provincial level. Maybe five. I can't remember at this point so I voted for for most of them. So you know I'm by no means the partisan. I consider all parties. I think that might be a solution for a lot of folks out there sort of dissatisfied by the leaders <hes> because you know the way you make a leadership better is bye bye kind of putting together a better team for that for that party and you know there's a lot of good candidates out there who think could change things and this individual M._p.'s way think are more willing to stand on their hind legs exent sort of push back against the Party Orthodoxy Nathaniel or Skin Smith in the Liberal Party Fen Robinson and the M._v._p.. He's running for for the first time in many years <hes> several conservative Chong <hes> even Arrow tool on some issues. They're they're willing to stand up and say <hes> described the leader. I this is what I think in. This is how I feel about the issue. I can appreciate that yes you can look for. What makes you excited about that local representative you have because at the end of the day they're the ones who are standing up for you and Ottawa so make sure you devote probably should but I really don't I the shaming of people who don't vote given the options in front of them? Don't yeah I don't. I don't like picking lesser however many evils I actually liked voting for something thanks for coming on doesn't absolutely Justin Langer is a freelance journalist and host of the podcast auto on Canada land. That was the big story for more visit us at the big story podcast dot C._A.. On twitter at the Big Story F. F.

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The underdog: A profile of NDP leader Jagmeet Singh

Front Burner

25:50 min | 1 year ago

The underdog: A profile of NDP leader Jagmeet Singh

"I'm trying to winter and I'm almost law welcome to chosen family. Every second week we talk about art sexuality and identity with a special guest usually queer here but not always I completely struggled coming out to my parents as a comedian being in the entertainment industry for a Middle Eastern. People is unheard of affecting change requires requires people to shake it up listened to chosen family wherever you get your podcast. What sign are you by the way area. Of course I love it. This is a CBC podcast. Hello I'm David Plaza before an DP leader. Jug Meet Sing was competing for the country's. He's talked John or became the first person of color to lead a major national political party. He probably caught your attention with this video. Russia people tall. We retreat someone rug. We welcome you we lose. We welcome you. We love you. That's just me responding to a heckler at a meet and greet in Brampton in two thousand seventeen that video may sing a celebrity fast forward to this current election campaign and sing is again being recognized for his response to a racist incident this time to photos of Justin Trudeau in Brown face and black face so seeing this image is going to be hard for a lot of people is going going to bring up a lot of pain. It's going to bring a lot of hurt. Please reach out to your loved ones. Please reach out to people who are suffering in silence as much as there's been prayed. There's also I've been plenty of criticism around him. Being ill prepared for the job of national leader today. As part of our federal election profile series will get to know joke beat saying the. CBS's Hanadova does here to help us do that. She's been following his story for years. This is from burner Hi Hannah Hi thank you so much for being here. Thanks for having me your back. Are Your back from the campaign trail. You're just for a couple of weeks. Okay okay good and then and then what you go back out I go back out with the Liberals and then I end with n DP leader Jagmeet Singh thing so I kinda miss being out on the campaign trail. You get used to it good. Well I mean. It sounds like you'll be back out very soon forward to but but let's talk about Doug me today. That's why we're here and I want to start with what happened last week. So I know that you were on the campaign trail with Jagmeet Singh when the first photo of Justin Trudeau in Brown face surfaced and as people may remember Jug me spoke to times at night and the second time was really emotional the so many people in this country that believe leaving taking care of one another. I know it's hard to believe right now but there are tell me what was happening behind the scenes. Yeah let me tell you why he did to responses to those photos so it was out of town hall. It was a regular town hall there about one hundred people crammed into the room and it was a really diverse crowd in that room to and that's when the Time magazine story broke seeing hadn't seen the photo when reporters asked for his reaction the report that asks the question made sure to mention that the prime minister's Office had confirmed that Trudeau was wearing during black face and a photo and it was back in two thousand and one before he was prime minister before he was a politician. I'm wondering what you think about this and the response from sing you could see that he was emotional about it. There was almost a gasp in the room from the people. There and sing took a deep breath. He thought about it for a few seconds cans. What's troubling. It's really it's insulting anytime we hear examples of Brown face black facing. It's really it's it's. It's making a mockery. Korea someone for what they live in what the relived experiences are I think he needs answer for it and the room agreed applauding the leader so as Trudeau then held his press conference on the plane. I shouldn't have been I should've known better but I didn't and the movie story. We are on a bus. we were told that sing would speak against so sing watched Justin Trudeau and his response in his hotel room. He made some calls to some people and one of those calls was the reason he came back in front of a camera and yeah yeah it was like it was one of the calls to his friend. Yes sort of reference that in the speech when I responded earlier I hadn't seen the image itself love and seeing the image jarred me and I wasn't sure if I wanted to come out and give a statement but I got a message from a friend and we don't know what that friends said to him exactly but we do know he addressed it and he got extremely emotional in front of the camera. You could see that he was upset. His eyes were watering but also that conversation with someone who didn't want to identify didn't want to go into great detail about it. We assume that person was bullied. The lead that the image affected that person and that person was unable to fight back in their own experience and talked about the Fazlullah auto races amount in my life and I can be honest with you. I thought back when I eight races my father my this but there's a lot of people that weren't able to do that. One of my friends told me how he wasn't able to do that to speak to all of their talk to all the kids out there all the folks who live this hour grown up and are still feeling the pain of racism. I want you to you know that you might feel like giving up in Canada. You might feel like giving up on yourself. I want you to know that you have value you have worth and you are loved and I don't want you to give off with Canada and please. Don't give up on yourselves. He was leader praised on how he handled it yeah it was just one of those moments you know. It really reminded me of that moment with the heckler back in two thousand seventeen at that moment that we talked about in the intro. He's he's really calm. He's he's very classy. See you know growing up as Brown skin turbine bearded man that I face things like this before. It's not it's not a problem. We can deal with it. Let's go back in time. What were the expectations dictation of him. At that point. I think those expectations were pretty high of him because people when they see him in a room want to listen to him want to learn more more about him but it doesn't translate sometimes through a television set but why do you think that is. I think there's this barrier. I think you know even with us on TV. You have to push harder in order to get that message across to for people to know who you are and I think I think that was part of his problem at first to is that he couldn't push that forward but on the campaign you know you see that he knows how to deal L. If unmanaged difficult situations two we are talking about the heckler and that almost seems like when he addresses these people he's taking a page from Michelle Obama's Thomason late book. No our motto is when they go low. We go hi and then even on the campaign. Jamie there was an event in Montreal where where there was a heckler that disrupted that and seeing pipes up and says look let me give you a hug you know you're disrupting this and he goes up and he does give a hug disarming the guy and you can see the guy in the video going saying Oh good hug good house good. He's not the best idea. We've got all these young. He didn't go back to a little bit of protesting but you could tell the totally disarms yeah and he handles these situations by remaining remaining calm he handles them with class in this is his brand though love and courage right the title of his book yeah so he is charismatic person he's very genyk and after that incident with a Heckler earlier on too many thought he could potentially compete with Justin Trudeau uh-huh celebrity in particular you know the shine was kind of wearing off troodos fresh face image and sing was potentially seen as the guy who could win the hearts of voters on the left. Those progressive voters since we're talking about his image right now one another thing. I find pretty interesting about him. Him Is that he's looking incredibly. Well dressed but interestingly. This isn't just about dressing low for him right. It's about something more than that yeah absolutely and this was something thing that his dad taught him. He said if you WANNA be taken seriously you have to dress better than the other person kind of like dress for the job. You want not for the one you have. It's important Horton for him to look sharp often wearing three piece suits. He calls it his social armor. He says there's a lot of stereotypes about a man with a beard and a turban so he feels feels. This is a way to disarm them and potentially stop them from having preconceived notions very athletic overcome that by showing listen. I'm ready. I'm ready for the role of ready for the part dress the part art but then you'll hear the words. I have to say these values. It's interesting to think about how strategic that is or sort of deliberate yeah absolutely I think he has talked a lot. You mentioned before love encouraged the title of this book and and he has talked a lot about his own upbringing and how it's shaped his politics politics particularly in this book and and tell me what was it like for him. Growing up yeah sing was extremely forthcoming in his memoir that you're talking about their love and courage courage about his family about him about the struggles they faced and they faced many so jug needs parents in fact gave him his brother and sister anglicised names which may not know so jug meets real name on his birth certificate is Jimmy powers to help him fit in better at school. However at the age of eight same decided he wanted to use the name Jug meet and he would stop cutting his hair so he writes in his book about kids bullying him taunting him asking him if he was dirty thirty because he had brown skin. WHO's really confusing as a kid because I thought I'm the same person that I was just last year in grade to grade three all of a sudden I don I started getting bullied for the way I looked. That's one of the things and yes he did fight back at times. I didn't give in but it was. It was a bit crushing defeat. Every day. Going to school was a gamble. Would I get picked on today. What I get into a fight with someone attacked me but seeing also wrote about his dad dealing with alcoholism and in in fact he talks about this issue frequently at rallies. He tells the crowd about how he wants visited his father. You know he wasn't living with the family he was estranged. He was living alone. The house was a mass that he was in and sing says he remembers how he had to carry his dad who had lost a lot of weight in order to bathe gave him but it was in that moment seeing him so frail and so ill and had heard his self so much that I really believed there is no other way to describe the Senate illness. No one would choose this for themselves so his dad lost his job. He had private healthcare that you know they put him in Rehab. It didn't work but in in the end it was because of publicly funded healthcare that his dad was able to get help and to get better so as a leader you hear him speaking a lot saying this is publicly funded care is something he says has to continue has to be available and available when it's needed and this is a message. He uses quite frequently at the rallies. It should not matter on the salaries should not matter their job. They should be able to have the access to care. They need everyone our country but there's also in this is really really sensitive. That sing talks about allegations of being sexually abused right as a ten year old boy by his taekwondo instructor. My we've tried to push ahead was to was to say to myself something happened. It's something I don't know how to deal with so. Let's just not think about it. He says in the book. It took him years to talk about it. Because he was ashamed he felt guilty. He didn't want his parents to feel like they were to blame but he realized at a point he wanted to send the message to others others who may have experienced something like this that it's not their fault. One of the things that was really important to me was a tear. Fred told me that wasn't my fault and that was really special and because I knew it wasn't but I didn't. I didn't say to me in fact. He didn't even tell his dad about about this until the book was about to come out because it was in the book. Wow I didn't know yeah so you you can tell he and his family that's just some of the examples have faced many any personal struggles defied those odds and you can see sing continues to express that he's going to do that again. On the campaign trail we have an exciting opportunity unity over the next forty days. We're going to bring a hopeful message to Canadians that we can build the country of our dreams. The one Saturday morning in June one thousand nine hundred nine fifteen year olds charmian on devel- disappeared never came home. No one has ever been charged with her her murder but there was a suspect never come on Mike. I'm Michelle Shepherd this season on uncover. I don't recall homemaking that com okay. That's fine if you don't recall it but I'm telling you that's what you told him uncover Sherman available. Now wherever you get your podcast this is. GonNa Sound interesting. You say this say this as your new leader we talked about all of this hype around him in two thousand seventeen eighteen but you know the truth is that momentum and it didn't really continue and I want to go through some of the hurdles or our miss steps that he encountered after he won the leadership in two thousand seventeen. One thing became very quickly. people have talked about the fact that he is a devout. Sikh and there was a controversy very early on pretty soon after he took over the party over an interview he did with CBC's Terry Milewski asking asking. It's not a let me just finish it. I'm just asking is it appropriate to put up finish my sentence and at the time sing didn't want announce extremists who glorify winding Palmer one of the men responsible for the Air India bombing. Is that appropriate yes or no so it is so unacceptable that the violence violence was committed. The heinous massacre that was committed. Is something that six Muslims Hindus all denounced and he since walked back from that position but Hannah now. Why did he do that in the first place yeah well it took him months to walk that back in that interview as you say he didn't announce extremists within in Canada's seek community who glorify Palmer and to accept the Air India inquiry's conclusions that Palmer was the mastermind behind the terrorist attack that killed hundreds of Canadians so you won't announce those posters of Palmer. I don't know who was responsible but I think we need to find out who's truly responsible. When he came backout. He's to walk back. He said that there are some in the community who have not accepted the findings right Air India inquiry so they still find it hard to accept that Palmer was to blame. I think the displaying of a picture of Mr per mar is something that really traumatizes hurson injuries people that are suffering so much in terms of that loss in their lives and I don't think it's appropriate so I don't think it should be done but if someone else is doing in an event I still think it's important for me to reach out and speak to people and talked about talk about my I journey and I think he was trying to walk that extremely fine line but taking months to do that didn't help him right right. It felt like he was trying to make like like a very nuanced argument about something that for most people was really not that nuance at all no there there there was the inquiry that came out and have these conclusions and I accept the findings of the of the investigation of the inquiry. I accept them and I condemn all those responsible yeah. What are the handling of the situation. Tell you about how he may deal with the high pressure. I think would be federal leader. Yeah I think he learned he cannot odd dabble in nuances. He has to be very clear. He had to have known that question was going to be asked of him. and you know even the chair of the Air India Families Association Bow Gupta. His wife was killed on that flight. He said if saying is a would be prime minister and he can't answer predictable questions about a terrorist attack. It's astonishing these criticisms of unpreparedness it didn't they didn't just come from this incident right like no he was criticized for not knowing his party's position on the Firearms Bill and having to ask a colleague for hope all in the middle of a news conference. Can you tell us whether or not your caucus behind behind you in supporting this at this point. I'm I'm just a moment to clarify time. He was confused about a recent development. In China. Canada relations will doing a TV interview. The ambassador from China accused Canada of quote white supremacy. If you were the prime minister what would you say to the Chinese Janis Right now. Sorry who accuse you of white supremacy the the ambassador knew what do you make of criticisms that he just isn't prepared and and perhaps doesn't yet have the policy Gravitas to lead the MVP to victory. I think that he has learned from from that is well. You know he probably wasn't prepared for those interviews. He didn't know what his party's policy is but so far on the campaign he he seems to have learned from that and at the events when you ask him questions about the costing about the details. He seems to have all of those answers. He hasn't been caught up like he. He has in those you know standing in front of a television not knowing what is happening that was a learning curve for him and he seems is to have move forward from that at this point. I'm thinking of like former. MVP leaders like Tom Mulcair and ED broadbent here who like I know loved loved getting into the nitty gritty policies were kind of policy wonks and house Jagmeet Singh different from them. I think when it comes to Jug neat saying he wants to use his personal experiences to talk about his policies. So it's more of a personal connection with people you know he uses the example in his dad a lot and so you kind of get the sense that he's a bit more like Jack Layton to the other to think of all the people who came before us the millions of men and women who believe so passionately in a more fair society and they refuse to give up often in the face of overwhelming on weekends at I'll talk to you you about the MVP itself so you know we you and I've talked about this on the padres before the MVP had a lot of trouble fundraising there in like kind of dire hire straits financially right now saying is starting the official campaign low in the polls and with a diminished war chest. How much of this is a party problem or the judge me problem I would say it's probably both of the party was in disarray after you know they ousted Tom. Mulcair the ground around game is not what it once was. It's virtually non existent in some places. They're having difficulty getting a full roster of candidates to run in this election campaign this is also a big problem in Quebec for them. You know the end EP have fourteen seats their polling shows set all of those are at risk and they could be wiped out in combat yeah. This is a province remember that gave the Party official opposition status in two thousand eleven under Jack Layton's orange wave and remember this to this is why I say it could be both is that this is the province that bans the wearing of religious symbols for some positions of authority recent polls show that you know quebecers the majority of them support built twenty one and it's obvious you know Mr Singh wears. There's a turban and carries a pattern. He also has a French ad that opens with him wrapping his long hair up in a turban fifty so you think you a centrally his very identity is a political liability for him. Yes yes I do and the reason why I say this. It is a very sensitive issue but I mean I've heard people on the sidelines who won't go on camera saying things like like his policies seems like a nice guy but I can't vote for Brown Mana Turban. They won't talk on camera but another person said to me at a ploughing match. They hadn't seen someone wearing a yellow turban driving orange tractor before right so this is what people are saying and sings team even admits. It's an issue okay looking at the aftermath from last week with the Trudeau Black Face Brown faced controversy. Do you think that it could also be a political asset for him. The idea that he's the only political leader equipped to talk about racism from life experience there there was definitely a different feel on the campaign after sings response to that issue definitely a different feel. It's like that response was to address. The people who felt the prime minister was mocking walking their lives and he said he's felt that in the past he even said at a rally in Windsor after the Brown face black face issue came up but to be honest with you. I really do believe that. People are are seeing themselves reflected in this campaign and that to me is the most important thing and you can tell there is even a different feel in the room there. It was a bigger crowd. people were really connecting with him. The Excitement Roy. I feel people are seeing themselves so this could be a moment where voters reassess and take another look at singing the end EP. I'm not sure though if that's going to translate into end EP candidates candidates getting elected but there was definitely a different energy on the campaign since I can't help but thinking talking about Tokyo things life he has sort of always been an underdog here right and I was thinking of Jack Lead in in two thousand eleven his numbers also started out around thirteen percents or not very different from the MVP is now and so this the idea that he's accustomed to being an underdog. We've got about a month ago. Do Do you think that that could be an advantage here or do you have the sense that it might be too late. Deepest time around I think he revels in being an underdog. I think he knows what it's like his whole life to be in that position and if you look at when since he election started the liberals and the Conservatives have spent a lot of time attacking each other Justin Trudeau Andrew share often playing the political game this this is really allowed saying to focus on his policies so he's out there trying to get people to know what he stands for get to know him better so many people go through so much. They need someone to stand up for them and I hope I can do that of course is a lot of work to do the MVP vp are pulled tracker shows still a very distant third but he never appears discouraged by this and you're saying well Hannah. Thank you so much for this. This was such an interesting Kerr sation. I learned a lot. You're quite welcome okay. That's all for today front burner comes to from ABC News and CBC podcasts. The show is produced by Shannon Higgins. Elaine Chao imaging pressured Crisper Bay Derek Bandra Wyche is our sound designer. 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Episode 78  Live Show at the Tarragon Theatre in Toronto

Sandy and Nora talk politics

46:26 min | 1 year ago

Episode 78 Live Show at the Tarragon Theatre in Toronto

"Yeah Hey sandy okay. So we're going to get right into it because we have a hard stop at two. I know a bunch of you probably going to see the play afterwards and and so this is really exciting. Because there's never we don't even see each other when record we talk on the phone and the ability of us to get together together in a room like this it's like it's revolutionary. It actually is. I see that we've got a real diversity of age in the room. There's folks in the room that remember a time where like community was normal that you would. You would spend time together right that you'd help each other out Out and there's a whole set of folks in the room for who communities like the headphones in sit on a subway. Try Not to look at anyone too much. Because they might think you're weird and you're not weird right and this is characterizing what life has turned into for so many of us and so the opportunity for us to be in a room together. I want to underpin how important that really is for our collective growth and also just feel good. I mean do you folks. You'll get sandy. You feeling good feeling mostly good. I mean I. I came in on a red eye last night or like this morning and then I got like two hours of sleep and here I am so I hope to be the funniest and most entertaining that I've ever been ridges which is like there's a higher probability of that was sitting next to her because she's funnier than that's good. But what are we gonNA talk about today. Well if you've been listening to the podcast you've been talking about the elections for the last couple of weeks in today. It will be no different because the election is very close. And there's been some things that have happened this week that we think that we should talk about but we're not just going to talk about the election we're also going to talk about the arts a little bit and how important it is for the arts to be involved in politics into reflect politics back to us in what how the arts can be a vehicle for social change because that's something that's really close to my heart and I think I think that we can all appreciate how the arts can really shape our world and so that's that's the setup that's right and so last October. Her last September October first. There was an election in Quebec provincial election. And I'm part of a left wing party in Quebec and this party always had really great connection with people when we talk to people about what we wanted to do with the province you know talking about free education and free transit and just transforming the carbon economy to be to be a sustainable economy. But we had this like perennial problem around artists. We could not talk to artists. There was a block and in Quebec City. I mean you kind of need artists. Those are the only people that are like cool because otherwise you're bureaucrat And everyone who's on the room that's cool too. It's I mean we need our taxes to be processed and we love them actually. We love the public services but we there was a there was a merger with with the Party which is called Quebec's leader with another party called upscale. SNL All and there there are plenty of artists and the collision of these. Two groups of people was incredible because all of a sudden we were able to capture the political align of this traditional Progressive Party in Quebec with the artistic expression of what does it feel like. What does it look like? When we're fighting against injustice? What does it look like? When we've won a something for once and I'll never forget being underneath overpasses in in Quebec City we'd placard set on easels and we had spray paint and we had paint and we invited anybody walking by to come and deface are placards in the middle of the election and we invited like ten street artists to come to show us how to do it without it being just like but what people created? It was so amazing that it became the look of the campaign the feel of the campaign and it just gave us that extra kind of spirit that we really needed to get past. Just talking about politics ticks all the time because my goodness politics are so boring and so we wind in the victory was enormous. I mean we won by eight thousand votes and if you're interested in campaign images and look look up Katherine Katherine Dorian. I guess in English and to to look at that aesthetic and I'm looking at the federal election and we're starting to see. See that with the excitement around Jagmeet Singh I think and it's it's launching people's aspirations for the old parties east to go away to just collapse hopefully maybe or to turn themselves into something different and I don't know Sandy Lake. You're you're not here anymore. More what do you mean your nine Schroeder. You've moved to United States. What are you seeing in this in the last last couple of weeks of this election like how has that artistic expression changed how people are looking or talking about being excited about politics? Oh that's a good question. I think that we are seeing like some art being made about what's happening in the election and in terms of like means and things that are people are sharing online that are really hopeful and and are trying to drive like a message about What are what the possibilities are for our future? And that is what I think is so important about the arts being Engaged in politics when we were gone is anything so much of what we organize is has to be done in conjunction with artists. And I'm talking about black lives matter here Because we always want a vision for what's possible in the future to be a part of what we do when we're organizing and I'm seeing not quite the same level Shirley in what's happening in politics right now but I'm seeing some people engaging in that way and that's so important because you could feel you sense of despair about the way our you know our society's organized or the way that politics is going and know that there's something wrong but it's the artists is that will help us put together the the logic behind that and how we could what sort of vision for the future we could create and I think I did that so so so important. And you folks I mean we we read the script for the play that you're about to see and so you folks will hopefully see that a little bit of that afterwards as well Other things also happened this week. We yes they did they did did so. There is the french-language debate. Yeah did anyone watch the french-language debate a Little Cup of tea per demolished demolished off. No cable and of course speak French. I'm so bad at it. And of course we watch the English language to be did and you heard US talk about it. Maybe okay. Yeah so we actually. I would say that this week was like Assche ift night and day or day tonight like total difference. Has anyone else noticed that took. If you haven't we'll spell it out for you but there's been there's been a shift in the way that the parties are engaging so one to meet obviously is is doing very well and I think the you know the political media is recognizing that and we're seeing a massive search and so the Liberals are responding to that in a really interesting way oh are they trying to flank them on the left like they always do absolutely absolutely the nine. No that's not what's happening. They have gone to the right. Has Anyone else noticed that in this week the rhetoric that the liberals have been putting out which is again we are constantly criticizing the liberals on our show. Oh and like this is it this is. There's no real philosophical underpinning. It's just Kinda like which way the wind blowing today. Okay don't think we're going to be able to get those votes from Jimmy. But you know shears doing pretty pretty bad. So let's take those votes instead and that's kind of what's happening happening if you've been paying attention so there was an announcement in Quebec right like order known. Judo did some sort of or something. Yeah it wasn't an announcement so the French language debate and the way that the debate was organized quite calm. I mean a health. Most the post didn't speak French so they're kind of like that really brings down the temperature in the debate. Ah But they were not. There was no open season for six people to argue with each other. Always three on three and they mixed up the threes and And in one of the three on threes true just kind of was like you know what I totally support Quebec's immigration system because Quebec is the only province that manages immigration system mm-hmm. It's like okay and I fully support Quebec's right to screen immigrants. which if you live in Quebec and you're watching this debate we have a government that wants to impose a a French test on immigrants which is ridiculous because the most immigrants that come to Quebec come from where France right the come from France and if they don't come from France they come from French speaking countries I mean the by far the most immigration immigration to give comes from people who speak French and and so and then they're talking about a values earliest testing so trudeau knows this? I mean I wouldn't expect folks in Toronto to necessarily know this because it's kind of inside baseball politics within Quebec but does this and he was like yeah. I support Hort Quebec's ability to even further control their own immigration and after the press conference in English meteorology different questions. The rebel media was there and being all racist and good and the French journalists seized on this very. He's very quick moment of true because he wasn't responding to anything he just. FYI Way. I'm cool with what the CAC is doing. The CAC is our governing party. I mean it's super funding English. Actually but it's not that funny to tackle the time in French and sorry Mr. Trudeau like you support a values test and he was like well. I support Quebec. He has little sentence he says. Quebec's reducing migration. I support Quebec's right to control their immigration. It's a good thing and so he didn't necessarily say. I support the language test of the values test. But he's playing with with fire and I. It's very fascinating because I think you know it's all happening in French. I don't necessarily supposed to get outside of Quebec. I don't think that this is because it is is such inside baseball. I don't know if he thought that English journals would follow up on it. But I've seen a lot of liberals Tommy Ono. He said that that he's not supporting the values test. He's supporting the right to do. A values test very important distinction. And and he wouldn't even condemned the test because it doesn't he's like I duNNo. I'll I'll I'll let you know if I can done the test when he sees it. Even though this has been something that has happened for years and the last discussion about what would be on a values test was like as racist as you can imagine it would be so. It'd be very simple for Trudeau to say you know what. I think that this is going in the wrong path I would. I support Quebec right great to do this to have immigration. This is wrong and we need to change us. He didn't say that of course not but he did tell me that. He's not doing enough on racism just like it's it's just so it's like let's just throw everything to the wall and see what sticks and but the other thing that they've done is they've created these new materials you've seen this but they've created these new materials that were they've they're talking about their stance on on migration and so now the liberals have added to materials that that they're gonNA stop asylum seekers who come in the wrong way like who are like you know. They're adopting the language that the Conservatives have always talked about you know people jumping the queue or or like getting into Canada the wrong ways and other liberals have adopted that language. They're they're very much like we need to go after conservative voters. And it's like yeah. I know we all noticed that sheer tanked in the debates. Like he's obviously a shitty politician. Like Wow oh wow. What a rhetoric shifty? 'cause like what is this guy known for like if nothing else the lie that Canada is like super welcoming of refugees and welcome to all the refugees since trump said No more to people from these particular countries. which if you're not a regular listen to listen to our podcast talked about how that's not true and how that a false narrative that's not what the liberal government did and in fact had one the largest detentions of of of migrants during his his term When a lot of Haitians were coming up? Threw Rocks Rawson Ruxton road but that that that narrative has foolish shifted. Now now. They're talking about making sure that people are not not jumping cues or or like the the non existent cue that conservatives often talking about which is another funny little reminder of how the rhetoric of the Liberal Party does not match what they do because they will match. We'll we'll probably in the last three years their immigration policy. I mean if you look. At the number of Syrian refugees that came to Canada a a majority came from private sponsorships which the government has nothing to do with. And if anyone in the room is involved with private sponsorship you know how difficult and how stressful that process really is and they. They decreased the number of refugees that Canada will accept. They went back to the targets that that were created by Steven Harper and they want to strengthen the third party agreement the third country safe third country agreement with the United States where anybody coming from United States is just not allowed in Canada period whereas right now if you cross into Canada outside of a port of entry year at least processed and so I think the the the the the rhetoric which we're living in we're swimming in it and what we see on the day to day and this goes from the question of immigration refugees. He's from cost of living from the environment. It doesn't match up and we're told to like believe something that we can feel is not true. You and I like a lot of people call gas lighting. I guess I mean saying. I have some critiques around. The word about how it's used because it's always used and it could be just being lies. Lies is a good word are too but but it is. It actually is intended to make us question our cognitive abilities or experiences experiences. The experience of our friends the experience of our family. And when you when you generalize that across the whole country it creates a really Lee sick culture of people not understanding why the lies just won't stop because they don't match up with my actual personal experience and then depending on who you are the lies dough match with your experience either in a major way or in perhaps different kinds of minor ways. But this is what's causing. I think a lot the cynicism around electoral politics because we can't trust anybody. It's not worth voting. Voting is boring. It's not GonNa change anything thing I mean. I mean that's all true. I'm happy to actually defend those lines but But we have to vote. I hope you vote. If you haven't voted already. They say that or else people will be like the but but how do we Canadians take back our political system from the hands of these parties that have just been. I mean controlling Canada since Canada was founded like the same party founded Canada. In all of its flaws I mean today in the Global Mail. Does anyone read. Go Mail in this room. You don't be don't be shy. Okay I read the Globe and Mail even though I should Okay so in their opinion section today listeners. No one raised their hands today. There was an article from a woman who was like okay and this is election weekend which time elections let me tell you a story about the grandmothers confederation. I'm like I'm there. And the like the Grandmothers Confederation where the wives lives and the daughters of the grandfathers of Jenner and it was like well the daughters would not be the granddaughters and so it just talks about like all this women. I'm in went to Quebec City for the second conference after Charlottetown to create Canada. I'm like okay. I live in Quebec City. That's cool and and Blah Blah Blah and Blah Blah Blah and therefore go and vote. And so is this. This construction like women have always been there and therefore we should vote right as if it's like what that's not an argument. That's the national national newspaper two weeks before an election. The they had wives everybody. We should vote. That's the message coming from our newspaper. A record right and they're not gonNA publish. My Shit has because they've took you telling me no so how do how do we shake shake them enough to be like a good. Yeah and so trying to try to find a citizen citizen power again. What is citizen power? Look like in an era where volunteerism is impossible. Because we're working timmy. Jobs where we're actually disconnected from each other more than we'd ever have been and where we think that social media is going to be the thing that saves us in terms of revolutionary organizing or even just organizing to confront a politician and even just is like sifting through the quagmire of what the politicians are saying is kind of getting more and more difficult than ours like talking about the media like this is what sparked this in my mind. It's like you know. Has Anybody seen the analysis that we just talked about with respect to the shift from the liberals like have you read it in the Toronto Star. Have you read it in the Globe and Mail. Have you seen it talked about. And I don't know the Huffington Post Canada or something. No Mcclain's like no. How do you shifts sift left through all of this? If the very places that we are meant to go in like the public sphere to get not even the CBC great not even our public broadcaster to get through this stuff isn't isn't doing the analysis for us come to our podcast. But I mean you shouldn't have to. You should be able to get it from our our mainstream media sources and another thing happened this week take from the media generally maybe even talks about this beforehand. We never talked about our podcasts. Before we start talking just Zeno none of this is planned. Rosemary Barton Oh yes that's what I'm talking about okay. So has heard about this. Okay Nora Tele weapon so there's been a couple of things and so I might get it wrong but my favorite thing and I thought that this was just so illustrative of where the is in with with election Coverage and so we are out of the polls say that we are out of majority territory for the Conservatives in for the Liberals which I actually am like super excited by me. I think that's chaotic. Good I am down with that. And and so you know the putting out there like they're kind of feelers to say this this is a non starter. You must have this as part of your plan for us to work with you. You cannot have this sort of your your plan for us to work with you right kind of doing the the negotiations before we're in a minority situation government which is great which is great which is how are terribly terribly. Flawed system is supposed to sometimes work. And so you know the Liberals are one party that the that the very Mir certainly only walk to work with right. And it's like obviously and so Singh was like yeah I'll probably work with the liberals under some conditions and Rosemary. Barton's Lake Nick. Jagmeet Singh is a hypocrite because he will work with a party that has bought a pipeline as if like if he became the prime minister he would be the defacto owner of a pipeline right. And those actually. It was a headline. It was a headline an online news. Thing it was like Jagmeet Singh zing promises to work with leader who bought pipeline or it was like it was ridiculous. It was like what that's not what I was talking about. But that was that's a really like illustrative of of the kind of thing that I'm talking about in net like. What is that supposed to tell us? What does that headline tell us? which is that analysis? Tell us it's like it's as you know I'm well I think actually the the media does one hundred percent not. I respect that many of us or expects that many of us don't know how our political system works which I think is true. I mean we. We don't really have much civic education as we're growing up and don't necessarily know what it means to be in a minority government. What types of negotiations have to happen and so on and so that sort of rhetoric just I dunno seems a little quick eighty lake? You get to say that. Somebody's a hypocrite without actually explaining like what happens in minority government situation When there does need to be some sort of either negotiation or the government falls right and so what a what a weird bizarre way to frame an issue yes but no? That's not what I was talking about. Do you have any. Thus is the fact that she's doing the Yeah Burton in the CBC are suing the Conservative Party. Take a laugh is about talk to him laughing but yes so. They are suing the Conservative Party for using a clip that she alleges ages makes her she alleges that this clip has talked to make her look like a partisan hack back I mean and then but she's doing a party like she does that on her own. This doesn't make any sense right so we went to journalists go ryerson so I learned all about neutrality. And how it's like completely bullshit. I learned that they taught does the opposite. And and and just this idea that we talked about this a lot in the podcast rate so the public broadcasters a very good good place for us to take the temperature on Canadian society in what mainstream Canada embalm quote unquote thinks is the average Canadian and Barton. I mean she comes off as a partisan to me every single fucking time she tweets. So I'm not exactly sure how so the it's the conservative saying that. She's a partisan we're just like. Aw I don't want to anger the Conservatives right. I vote for you guys to do that. And I mean it's actually great that you Guessed wrong because now we have this other example that we can point to write like. You're saying that you're trying to make a joke meeting out to be this hypocrite which is like so ridiculous I'm I'm not a partisan and I'm GONNA sue the Conservative Party. It's just it's so bizarre and it's just like one of these things that I'm just so exasperated by our media and I just want there to be better coverage sure of everything you know just everything I just want us to be able to sift through everything without having to do so so much work which I guess will never happen in this type of society but one can hope and dream. uh-huh yeah and so the the idea that there's like a normative Canadian. I think we need to keep this in mind with reading this coverage right. It's like this mythical fifty five year old white man from fucking Berry Ontario Right. That is who they write for. I I I mean I just picked. I could've said London or Windsor. Yeah and and you know if you're not if you're not the target audience Kinda hits you really obviously and you get you feel it right but the but it it's a self-reinforcing problem where we have no ability not to critically look at what's going on and that leaves us in this room. Many other people with with despair. Actually it feels like despair because because no one is saying what you're needing them to say no one is saying no one's giving you the analysis the that you need to hear like okay Eh. The Earth is dying all right. How many days do we have right? What what is being done in? Alberta accelerate our collective destruction right. Tell it to to me in these terms. Don't tell me that that there's been a year-over-year Prophets from the banks. Oh your of your profits from the banks. Where did they? Where did they make money from over me from my user fees right like Oh because they close the branch oh because they fired two thousand people and they're just going to put it all onto the computers now and again when you add this up across society I mean first of all it takes a lot like cut through with the bullshit so saying you're saying it takes a lot of work it also just takes a lot of time name which we don't have and and it leaves people going okay? Well I have to park my vote somewhere so I'm GonNa vote for Elizabeth Name Right or whatever. Whoever you're going to vote for for the elections are really good? Time for us to feel that excitement around politics and to be like none of this matters and so the second second this passes. I'm going to take that excitement and I'm going to get even more into the political work that I'm doing because either we push politicians is to do certain things or we don't and if we don't then they will not listen to us but every time in history that there has been a moment that felt desperate that felt unchangeable changeable or immutable. It was always changeable immutable by people organizing. That has always been how it happens and it always as feels impossible until it happens and and that's some of the work that we do in this podcast is to talk about how exactly to do it in through art is one way to do it of course and also just basic organizing which I think a lot of us have lost the skills to do. Unfortunately because we don't we don't know how to talk to people necessarily or we don't know how to organize people or we don't know how to name the exact person that is the cause of all of our woes which might be a gale Weston or it might be In my case Calvin elven Rovan askew with Air Canada. Because he's like maybe delayed by fucking thirty hours this week anyway or example. That's a hypothetical. Michael Calvin. I was looking at my facebook this morning and someone had posted that. They begrudgingly voted for the MVP today but we're really frustrated because there wasn't like a viable alternative that would really shift our society And I was like but there is there is the alternative is actually Louis US like the. There's never going to be that alternative at the ballot box. Like not the change that we want to see happens. The quickest when people force force it to happen. It's not from politicians. Promising it if you if you bank on promises like we're still waiting for childcare. When was that promise? The first time like in the nineties like the mid nineties sound like I don't know right like it's like you can wait forever or you can like get out into the streets or get into your community and talk and Organiz people. And put these policymakers these decisions maker these decision vision makers on notice that we're not going to accept a business as usual with whatever particular issue. We're talking about out. There is always a viable alternative. I used to think this way to where it was like. Oh God I have to begrudgingly. Vote and there's no alternative. But they're like the alternative alternativas us. It's a lot more work than just checking a box. Obviously and our society is set up so that we don't have the time to do the organizing that we really need to do. Maybe you're jumping from job to job. Maybe you've entered the GIG economy because that's all that's available and you're really struggling with time sleep deep and so on that is all built into the system so that it's difficult for us to organize but for those of us who can for those of us who can create those spaces aces wherever they are like. I look at the examples of like the lift drivers organizing a union. That's should be impossible. Astle right like the way that it set up the GIG economy. It should be impossible to be able to organize a union amongst A. Ah People who are doing these ride share APPS. But they've done it like it's totally possible. It's really difficult. But that's the alternative organizing ising in as many ways as we can as much as we can to to really transform the systems uh-huh that control. Our everyday lives is the alternative and we cannot see voting as like just the thing that we do. We can't can't so I just wrote a manuscript for booklets GONNA come out next year so you have to buy it okay. And it's it's a book. That looks sat that that well. It's a book that says there's no feminist movement anymore in Canada that it's been dead for years and gives the analysis this of what we've lost as a result and why things are so wacky so why can trudeau stand up and say he's a feminist with Oh being expected to be pelted by eggs. Right that's the. That's that's the book and one of the things that I didn't know much about but what I was writing. It was the fight that one abortion access in Canada. And and how you know. Abortion was decriminalised in nineteen sixty nine which meant that. You can have an abortion if you could pay for it which obviously meant that the politicians could pay for abortions wins for their secret lovers but poor women could not right and so there was does anyone about the Abortion Caravan. No Wow okay. Yeah a little no no so so a bunch of activists in British Columbia around a group at Simon Fraser University. Where like we are driving to you Ottawa? And we're GONNA decorate our van with abortion looking stuff not like the anti-choice movements and there. They drove ooh to Ottawa. This one thousand sixty nine. They took their inspiration from the on to Ottawa Trek. Which I'm sure you all know about as well no so the onto on to Ottawa? Trek was the nineteen thirties Where men were being put into labor camps and they were working under terrible conditions and and Communism was spreading in a super wicked way and the men jumped on the rails and they went to Ottawa to try and make their lives better? So so the the activists in the sixties like. We're going to do that in the the Abortion Caravan and get to Ottawa. And and we're talking. You know women who I think it was all women who were like nineteen twenty twenty one and they get into the House of Commons and they like high chains under their skirts and in their purses and stuff. You can actually hear the clip from the world at six from when this happened. It was mother's Day in one thousand nine hundred sixty nine. Seventy seventy seventy one anyway and and so they're just start chanting and the House of Commons and the world that six reporter was like his street and pandemonium hs made today in the House of Commons. And you no it's women really season activists so literally like abortions kill abortion illegal abortions kill and you're like whoa that was so powerful and and then they had this rally at the at a at Parliament Hill and Pierre Trudeau was was the prime minister and he was pissed. Because it was like you. Ungrateful Ladies Decriminalized Abortion. What the fuck you want? And so he tried to he he goes back to the court. Caravan goes goes back home and they have this meeting which is also recorded. And and he's like I did what you wanted. You can have your abortion and women's room says not like you can pay for an abortion mister mister. Prime Minister Trudeau poor. Women cannot and he says so right that the Royal Commission on the status of women the abortion fight the fight against domestic violence if I for childcare that all kind of in the nineteen seventies which then created what we what we understand to be the women's movement but even then what was it that got us access to abortion in the end. It was direct civil civil disobedience setting up clinics that did it illegally that we're constantly raided by the cops. That's the only thing that did it and the women's movement collapsed after after the victory in one thousand nine hundred eight to decriminalise abortion partly because a lot of white women were like well. I'm good I got my Boertien out of here and also because when you you don't have that big fight like sometimes coalition's collapse and the women's movement never came back in the same way I mean. It continued for a couple of years into the into the nineties and then an a an collapsed by the end of the nineteen ninety s and the turn of the century. And so I say the story because I mean it's one of those accesses that we have in our minds that's like totally our a right to have access to an abortion and that came out of a struggle that seemed impossible that came out of a struggle that require people to go to jail that require direct action that required courage and then what happened this week. The only private abortion clinic and New Brunswick is announced to be closed because unlike the United States where legal old versus illegal is the big issue in Canada. It's not illegal versus legal. It's access that's funded because it's a public service. And when we defined hospitals when we defend and private like cataract surgery and knee surgery in hip surgery we also privatize abortion services because those are all para medical services and so we are still in that fight in fact it's getting worse. We're still fighting for maternity leave. We're still fighting to expand paternity leave. You folks don't have child. Oh care I mean I have seven dollars a day. Childcare which is by the way amazing I mean I would pay like one hundred dollars a day because I mean kids lake. Drive me crazy but I mean my kids but like the difference in the society that has access to seven dollars a day care versus does not as is incredible is incredible cool and not came through struggle through organizing and through having good arguments and through really hard work and even stuff like education. I mean we both both worked in a post secondary education advocacy a lifetime ago. And you can see in this country like the effects Of having boots on the ground really organized movement to force change by just looking at the accessibility of post secondary education across across the country. The places where there's the most organized strongest movements have the lowest tuition fees and the places that don't have the highest like that's how it works. It's not it's not because one party is like necessarily surly a thousand times better than another on education though that may be the case. We'll see like there hasn't been very good. Promises says with respect to the election education besides the Greens promising free tuition But the difference is in accessibility. Eighty are are literally because of the ability to get people onto the streets and force politicians to to either make a change or to acquiesce. Es To what our demands are as people and so obviously in Quebec students are really organized and take to the streets anytime. There's spur spur that there might be an increase to tuition fees and as a result They have the only free education in the province of this as Zaps in candidate through the sage system. THAT'S A POST-SECONDARY FREE POST secondary education and the lowest the lowest or as Newfoundland right now the lowest I think they're the lowest tuition fees. It's either Newfoundland or Quebec the lowest fees in the country. So we have to wrap up soon and I think that the way to end is to talk about joy and how one of the things that attracts me. To living an activist life is the fulfillment and the joy that it gives me because I find it fulfilling and joyful and and injecting jammed into the stuff we do so sandy. I know you've done a lot of joyous things in your life. What what was one of the things that brought you some of the best joy intensity intensity so if you're not familiar was An action that we did black lives matter did right outside the police station when we were we. Were trying to get some policy changes in some the media to pay attention to a particular case where The police killed Andrew Angelescu a black man outside his apartment within seconds of arriving to the scene. And so we did this thing who we see we created an occupation Nathan Phillips Square. You might not know because if you if you saw like the the news and everything with respect to to this action. It was in front of the police station we actually did it at Nathan Phillips Square. I like that was the idea and it was. It was fun. We had like a day of concerts planned. We also plan to end the action within in six hours. It ended up being two weeks so it was fun. Though lake that's part of Riley you can only continue to do something that's so hard because it's like the hardest one of the hardest actions of ever planned it if it's fun if there's joy there if people can come together and generate some sort of like magic together and you know we. We were having so much fun that night and we didn't get any media because Rob Ford died that night and you I mean I laughed. Rob Rob Ford died that night. So we didn't get any the media and the police moving in and it's Nathan Phillips Square so it's kind of far off from the street and no one can see us all these cops and we were just like you know it'd be really funny. Funny is if we went to the police station into their instead because it's probably safer. It's like closer to the road. It's like you know better in terms of like the message that we're sending and Ha- wouldn't that be hilarious and then so someone says that at around ten PM or something and we're all laughing about the possibility of that and then two hours pass and we're like let's go fuck into and we did it and you know like the sustainability of that action literally. Those two weeks was only because because we were able to generate so much joy I remember I was at this event for Some like labor union organizing at some point alive dear. Maybe and Angela Davis was there and she was like. Oh I want to hear more about the Toronto chapter. Tell me what's going on at that particular titular moment I was feeling really shitty and I was like Oh and she was just like Oh no you have to find the joy again. She's like like the the the thing that takes us through organizing and she's been organizing her whole life right. She's like the thing that takes us through. Organizing is the joy and you had it at some point because you guys have been so successful so you need to find the joy again like go back figure out how you can find it. Go back to the community. Figure out how you can generate the joy together because you'd never get it alone you can't just go find it. It's something that comes from being together and what a great way to like rapids back around to the beginning like being together is a way to generate joy. You can't do it alone. That's part of why the isolation of the way that our that our world is being constructed attracted right now in the direction that we're all moving in society to become more isolated feels like despair and why we have like these mental health issues. That seem I'm to be getting worse and worse. We need to come together to build that joy and to to organize to get rid of all the stuff stuff that's creating the despair in the first place. I'm just going to say my favorite moment was we are closing Gold Street. A Ryerson University as three and so called street was kind of a minor street had no purpose but the city and the university. We're like we're not doing this. And so we had a multi year campaign to close it and and one morning to close it. We ordered a bunch of sod and we covered the street with grass and because students are kind of like you know it's eight. Am You're right. They head down. They didn't notice up and it was just like oh right we brought soccer balls Hula hoops oops and people were able to go onto the street in their bare feet and and enjoy it and allow people to see that it was possible now. We almost got charged with vandalism vandalism which was the only thing they can nail on us but but that street closed in the morning and you know of course it's been closed now for eight years. It was a huge success. So so that's the show the show and if you don't know about sending dot com check us out. This was a free show funded by our patriots. So I do have to the hope if you've got some money Feel free to check out. PATRIOTIC DOT COM R. E. N. dot com slash Saniora. Every dollar that comes to us like helps with recording and producing and doing stuff like this so thank you so much to the playwrights. 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June 18: Sorry not sorry

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June 18: Sorry not sorry

"I told the court. To? Use One small man. Giant wheel. I do wish say official that I'm wrong person right now. Uncover season seven. Dead Wrong. Killed Tipple it the. Be. Available on CBC. Listen and wherever you get your podcasts. This is a CBC podcast. Hello! I'm Carol off and I'm Chris Ouden this is as it happens the podcast edition. Tonight. Sorry, not sorry and EP leader Jagmeet Singh tells us. He has no plans to apologize for calling the Bloc Quebecois MP racist and the House of Commons yesterday and he thinks it's time to rethink. What constitutes unparliamentary behaviour homes. Dane Joshua Contractors has been living in the united. States with the fear of deportation for years with a new Supreme Court ruling today is a new day for him and hundreds of thousands of undocumented immigrants, connecting the dots Canada is rolling out a national covid nineteen contact. Contact tracing up and privacy concerns abound. Blackberry is helping with their project. It's chief technical officer says Canadians should trust the process divided loyalties John, Bolton's book about Donald Trump is the talk of Washington, but Democrats have some choice words of their own for the former national security advisor, saying he chose book royalties over loyalty to his country and and despair, and some really wild quacking. We reach the scientists who things he has decoded the meaning behind the distinct toots and quacks made by Queen. And imprisoned heirs to the throne, we get to hear them to and the best laid plans. One invented a flying lawnmower. The other runs a lawnmower museum, but despite their enthusiasm for landscaping neither of tonight's guests from the archives is great at keeping a long story short as it happens the Thursday edition radio that keeps you coming back for more. Jug meets. Sing is not apologizing. The MVP leader was thrown out of the House of Commons yesterday for Calling Bloc Quebecois MP and Ontarians resist. He said after Mr Terry voted against an EP motion dealing with systemic racism in the RCMP. Today Bloc Quebecois, leader, Francois Blanchet called on Mr Sing to make amends. I hope. That the leader of the MD.. Will Apologize. sincerely. And if not I owed the president. Also, comments. Will be quite severe. Because if dion leap and alty is not being allowed into the room for one day or not being allowed to speak for one day. Everybody will feel entitled. To do the same and trade insults accusation on the floor, which is not a good idea. So I hope that this will be fixed. rapidly. And I Ask You. please. Explain to. The Canadian people. Watch, really happened. His anything with a racist person. That's Bloc Quebecois leader. Francois Blanchette reacting to an exchange between block. MP Atlanta an end. EP, leader Jagmeet Singh in the House of Commons yesterday. We reached Jug meeting today in Ottawa. Interesting, I'm going to begin with asking you. What did happen yesterday I mean? We heard you lay out the motion. The was to be a vote. You need a wanted to needed a unanimous votes. We heard the as in the know. What happened to provoke your reaction? We're we're in a moment where people have taken to the streets in the thousands across Canada in community, small and large, saying you know what black lives do matter indigenous lives, matter, and that moment has been really special. It's been painful. People have talked about the pain and. Agony that they've gone through their own experiences. And then the same time we've seen the RCMP at the heart of some horrible examples of police brutality, we all saw the images and the video of chief how an atom and the lives have been lost and have been killed by police in response to wellness checks or healthcare checks or mental health checks in light of all this. This and the inaction of Prime Minister Trudeau and the inaction of the Liberal government, we put Ford emotion to push for some real change, so we laid out one. Let's acknowledge there are systemic racism and the RCMP completely federal jurisdiction fully within the powers of the House of Commons to legislate. Let's acknowledge that in two. Let's do something about it, so use of force review. Emphasizing deescalation and then really responding to healthcare crises with healthcare workers in that moment. When motionless presented I was confident top. The speaker called for the consent and I heard a lot of days, and I was not surprised. I expected this with tough, and then there's one no, and the the speaker didn't hear it because it was so overwhelmingly. Yes, and was about to move forward, and that no repeat and I look back my saw one person in the entire House of Commons saying no. And and then I look back, and they kind of just made this gesture of dismissal, and that gesture of dismissal really is what I wanNA talk about eight. Is this notion that it doesn't matter? Can we need you to describe this gesture because this is? This has become key to this discussion. What was the gesture and describe what you think it means? saw I look back on that sign. MP wave their hand in a dismissive motion I while saying no, no of course not almost like. Of course, not, why would we support emotion like that and I thought how offensive to all the people, all the indigenous people, the black people, the race slides people that are fighting for change to just wave of a hand, dismiss and say no to something so vital in meaningful. And so, what did you say to Allenton? I called him a racist. You're racist for voting against US I I put my hands up saying how do you do that? And he said Yeah I did it and said how could you do that? I did it and I said. Racist for voting against us. Any challenge me to go outside. And then he and he raises voice and I said Yeah I'm calling you racist. This is wrong. This is wrong. I can't believe you voted against. This is wrong. Mr Bunch, says that by extension of coup accusing Antillean of being a racist that you are calling Bloc Quebecois. Racist Party that they were always this. He says that that they're not that Quebecer. They come from a nation of Quebec which is welcoming and open that they appreciate diversity Do you think the blockade qual- is a racist party? This is a really important question, and I don't WanNa take a moment. I have never named this. This experience I have not named a party I called a person but I will name a party. The systemic racism that we're up against was created by those in power. As far as I know the only two parties that have been empowering Canada have been either conservative or liberal, so let me name the parties that are responsible for systemic racism in Canada Liberal and Conservative, full stop. Do you think that? At least the Liberals that Prime Minister Trudeau has acknowledged systemic racism. He! Absolutely has and I and I want to know is A. Very positive step, but I just want to highlight that it enough to just say the right thing and the prime minister has. It's Nice Nice things, and in fact set some really kind words about what happened yesterday, and acknowledged that I appreciate that what people are demanding action, and while I know the prime minister said very positive things it is just not enough. We need to see the systemic change in fact and this. Say because I've been very critical of president trump, but in this moment president trump has actually moved more quickly to put in place changes to policing then Prime Minister Trudeau. Has That is? That is wrong because that's the reality. Whether any other. Parties are members who who voted no yesterday and that motion. You. I can't say with a hundred percent accuracy but I only heard one percent in the entire. House of Commons, it said no I did not hear no from either the Liberals or conservatives in fairness I wonder we just finally where you will take this from here because we just remembering different times when you have confronted racism in public and going back to when you were campaigning for the leadership that extraordinary moment, when that woman racist woman came up, and was talking to you, and you reached out to who said she's loved. She wanted to include her. You want to bring her into an understanding. Do, you think that you have changed your approach in that regard. No I think that is the only way for it and I. Don't think that the naming. Is Good enough we have to actually change the policies and the laws and so. While I. Don't take back calling out systemic racism. It can't just be calling. It has to be more than just calling. It has to be the systemic change and I want to really use my. that. We have to bring people along. It's gotTA. Be Through love, and and having the courage to to do what's necessary to make the changes and I still believe that Mr Blanchette said he thinks. Maybe you just had a bad moment that you lost it and he thinks that there's a way to move forward to patch this up to get past it. He doesn't want this to go on and on. What do you want to happen now? I agree that this is should never be about you know to. Peace should be about. HOW CAN WE FIGHT SYSTEMIC RACISM? And how can we bring in new policies and new laws to change it, so I feel like if anything can come out of this? It should be. Let's commit to making some changes some real changes. Let's say people's lives. Are you going to apologize? It's no longer about me if it was about just me I. I'm quick to apologize I. Believe in the principle of not having not letting egos get in the way, but it's gone beyond me, and people have looked at this as a moment where someone has finally stood up for them. People send me so many messages saying you know we face this in our lives. We face this for someone to just not back down makes us feel like matter. Racism sends a message that people don't matter, and in that could meet. People feel like they mattered and I don't WanNa. Take that away from people, so it's become important for you not to say you're sorry about this. Young would be. It would be a Kintu thing. I'm sorry for fighting stomach races now and I can't say that I'm sorry for fighting I. Don't apologize for wanting to. To Fourth Liberal government to do something I don't apologize for being upset that the House of Commons couldn't just acknowledge. You together united couldn't acknowledge that there is the RCMP which is so. I can't apologize for that. I'd be letting down to many people. Misusing thank you. Thank you very much. Chug meet sing as the leader of the federal and EP. We reached him in Ottawa this afternoon. We requested an interview Bloc Quebecois. Tehran and did not hear back by airtime. Hum. By this point, it's widely accepted that contact tracing is an integral part of any successful response to covid nineteen, but what exactly that looks like depends a lot on where you are and who you ask. When prime. Minister Justin Trudeau was asked today, he revealed a new tool that will be part of Canada's approach. Led by the Canadian digital service, and with the help of Sherifi blackberry and the government of Ontario, we've been working on a nationwide mobile APP. That will notify users if they've been exposed to covid nineteen. We will soon begin testing this APP in Ontario. They're already a number of other provinces including BC who are working with us on this, but it will be available to everyone in the coming weeks. Now I want to stress this APP will be completely voluntary. It'll be up to individual Canadians to decide whether to download the APP or not, but the APP will be most effective when as many people as possible have it? Prime Minister Justin Trudeau. Sharing details of a new government endorsed contact tracing up. That will be rolling out across Canada in the weeks ahead. Charles Egan is the chief technology officer for blackberry which is involved in the development of the APP. We reached him in Ottawa. Charles I know a lot of people WANNA know. How does this work if they're actually going to assign on what what to give us the basics? Yes, so this contact tracing solution that the prime minister has just announced is basically when when two phones become close to one another as determined by the Bluetooth Signal That event is noted so that. in the future, if one of the people that have come in close contact. Test positive for covid nineteen. It's much easier to determine who they've been close to. They don't have to rely on their memory We can use the technology to help you know determine who might have been close to that unfortunate person that has just tested positive, so the phones note the fact that you've come close contact so later on, if someone test positive, the Apple, notify you that you've come in contact with someone who tested positive. And how do we know? How does they know that that person is tested positive? So an innovative part of the solution is when when someone has a test and they test positive. They're giving a code by a healthcare professional. the person that has been tested voluntarily puts that code into the APP, and then the APP very securely, and privately notifies all the other phones that it's come in contact with that. They've been close to someone who has tested positive with covert nineteen. So if I get a signal that tells me I have been in close contact with someone with covid nineteen. Does that mean is like? How much contact is that? Someone who was on on a bus with me? Someone walked by on the street. Someone working list. How how much contact you have to have before that's going to happen. Yes so the flexibility is you know? How long have you been near someone? Let's say it's ten minutes. Or how close have you been? And and so so you can trigger it to be more sensitive less sensitive, so the idea is. If you walk past someone on the street that would not register, but if you sit beside someone on the bus for ten minutes, and you're less than you know six feet apart, that probably would register so so there is a there's a configuration that allows us to. Give it the sensitivity that we want to. To determine that there's an increased risk and that sort of the healthcare tune -able per setting that we can do with the solution. Would I have any idea as to who it was that with whom I got into contact with lead, Cova. No not at all. So you know privacy has been designed into the solution. It's completely anonymous. You don't have any idea when or where that contact happened so that this privacy is protected. Okay, so this'll be a voluntary a program right? Yeah, it's completely opt in, and you can opt out at any time. The more people that opt in the the more chance of providing this additional information to help help fight the pandemic. And how convinced I e that it would be entirely voluntary I mean what are the possibilities that employers might want there and might even make it necessary as a condition of going back to work that they download this APP. I, you know. Carolina not heard that that that scenario I think as the prime minister line. This is completely voluntary. It's it's not a employer led activity A. Citizen led activity and and and I expect that that's the way it will be rolled out, but if it becomes something is is crucial to knowing whether it's safe in a work environment safe to go back to work I mean if a lot of things depend on this. kind of technology, don't they? And so, what kinds of pressure might have been on? People actually be part of this program. Yes, so so so I i. You know in terms of the the employer. incentive for employees to use this APP. It's not something that I've really thought about so I'm not sure what the comment on that one I do believe that there's other techniques that employers could use to provide the safety. You know just by information, and you know distancing of employees in the workplace so that they're not coming in contact. We've also seen those safer facemasks where it was completely voluntary, but but encouraged to wear face mask, and now increasingly it's going to be the condition of getting on a bus or subway or being places that you're wearing a face mask. Do you think that this might evolve? you know I hope that a lot of people opt in given the it. It sort of at least amount of information. You collect enough to be useful, but but there's not any personal information that's being shared here. You know I expect. There's more privacy being shared with people's flashlight APP and Kovic nineteen up, and there's a you know a social good. That comes along with the Covid Nineteen Solution it's people share on personal information on facebook and everything else. Roller carpet to the red carpet brother in in other ways sometimes now. How does it become national as the prime minister was saying that it was going to be a nation wide program? Alberta has already launched its own APP So, how does that complicate things as far as having a having national adoption of this APP? Yeah so the the healthcare back in is the tuning that's required for for each province, but the solution that the CDs has announced with will work on a like that one single apple work for all Canadians, and it's being. It's being first introduced in Ontario, but as the healthcare cans are added I, it will be effective for for the entire province. So so you know how it ties into Berta. I'm not completely sure I think we're you know we're in early days of the deployment, and that's really in the hands of the CDs. Canadian digital services is that serious justice? And finally, when might this rule out? You know prime. Minister Trudeau mentioned in the next several weeks for very soon. All Right? They're interesting Charles thank you. My pleasure, thank you very much. Charles Egan is the chief technology officer for blackberry, which is consulting on the rollout of covid nineteen context tracing up endorsed by Canada's federal government. We reached him today in Ottawa. Human Queens have their own way of communicating orders. They can just articulate what they want with words by saying for example off with his head, or please help me shampoo the Corgis, but Queen Bees issue their orders non verbally in a way that to human ears doesn't sound very regal. Hurt At. act. That is the sound of Queen honeybees in a hive. They are tuning in quacking. We knew they did that, but now scientists at Nottingham Trent University decoded why they do it. Their study is published this week in the Journal scientific reports. Martin benchick was the lead scientist on the study and we've reached him in Nottingham England. Madness, first of all, what would the previous theories as to why honeybees made these different sounds, so we're talking queen honeybees and the striking feature. Is that these sounds or responding to each other? They'll do it and so beekeeper scientist race, the theory that perhaps it's queens sizing each other up. So the idea that these queens and potential queens are speaking to each other, and with these tooth's in quacks with within the colony. That's right so They are competitors and visual evidence that they will fight each other. If they resigned colony together and in biological world, people and animals tried to avoid unnecessary fight. If you see your opponent is wealthier to you, there is no point in stopping the fight. So one idea is that these signals where queen sizing each other up to avoid the hub and unnecessary physical fights. And what have you discovered? What do you think is the reason why they make these toots and quacks, so an alternative explanation, the to and quacks or signals sent to the colony. And we have strong evidence. Supporting that idea, we think these signals are information released to the Queen to thing would say something like if she was speaking English she would say keep the quacking queens captive. This is what she's saying to have. And the quacking Queens. They'll attending the colony release us, release. Something like an English. That's quite translation so. Okay, so it's not just that they're. You figured out what they're probably saying, but it's who they're saying. They're not talking to each other. They're talking to the other. The worker bees I like that I like that I like what you're highlighting, indeed I think. The breakthrough is to suggest that the signals are actually social communication signals to the society, not between two individuals, but they'll signals regulating the social behavior and I think that he's what's surprising, and I think it makes much more sense than other explanations and again we have substantial evidence to support that you. Can listen to them again if we can hear the sounds of toots and clocks. Off! So maisy so now that we're hearing it in this context. What tells a bit more about what you think that conversation is? The first one you heard was the tooting, and this is definitely a a free roaming queen. And I think she's saying Keep the Queen's skeptics. So. The other Queens quaking that was the second signal. You Quack, quack, quack, and these queens already to emerge. They'll ready to come out. I, think that perhaps they'll saying release us. Let me go out from the cell. And as long as the -tuting resides in the colony, we have seen that the quaking keeps going on so indeed the work of keeping the other queens captive, and as soon as the tooting disappears then one cracking queen is released, and she starts shooting. Where does the tooting Queen Go? she forums away, so she leaves the books. We have the worker bees, and she tries to establish a new colony somewhere else is usually in a cavity. You are lucky in Canada to have substantial woodland, so is usually in a hollow tree that she would try and start a new, so it's the splitting of the colony into several colonies. It's the reproduction phenomenon, and then what becomes of the quacking Queens so we. We then measure after the swamp off. The team has gone. We collect a new two teams three to four hours later, so the work at these must have released one quacking queen, Jude to the absence of the tooting that was in the colony. Do any of the quacking cleans? Never get released? They just once. You're saying release me. Release me from this this wax prison. Do they ever get sort of like left there? that or multiple the quacking Queens? That's all the more or less simultaneously that you heard on the recording. Cooking is usually simultaneous. You will have several individuals cracking, and it's a problem to release them, and the mechanism is not perfect, and we'll have occasionally two to three queens release. They're very strong. Animals strong that the wikileaks so sometimes the more than one queen will be released in the colony I've seen myself. But no, they They all come out. Eventually I have never seen. quacking Queen, remaining Steve and locked forever dying something like this I have never seen it in my life. They will eventually come out the problem is. To avoid too many of them to come out together similtaneously. Were they have worker, bees and drones etcetera to take someplace else or they just sort of be at the at the end of the one hundred left behind the he's sometimes the case, but worker bees or two inches yesterday they make too many Virgin Queens, and indeed they run out of staff and the smallest last forms to exit the colony or This is fascinating, but why is this important? I mean th. There are beekeepers who need this information right? The idea is that we think the to and quacking is fulfilling very sophisticated, important mechanism in Dakota knee, and what we're saying the to the beekeepers is to be careful, because when this period of time takes place in the year. It's usually April to me. we suggest that to be very careful to disrupt this mechanism, which is warranty in the old lead release of one queen at a time in inside the colony, and this is absolutely fascinating, I really appreciate you explaining this to us, thank you. Thank you my pleasure! Thank you so much. Bye, bye, Martin benchick was the lead scientist and the study of Queen Honeybees, and why they toot and quack. We reached him in Nottingham England. I told the court that I'm friendly. From you. To. Use small man and giant wheel caught, but I do wish to say official that I'm wrongfully right now. Uncover season seven. Dead Wrong? It killed pit bull if they maybe not. Available on CBC. Listen and wherever. You get your podcasts. The! He smashed pretty much. Every billboard and streaming record that matters it has already been streamed more than a billion billion people still to this day. Point to this is the moment everything changed, but whether you agree with those claims or not, this podcast isn't really about him either. You're not an astute businessman, or you're inherently racist. When it comes to black music in this country, this is not a drake podcast available now on CBC listen or wherever you get your podcast. Dreamers were able to breathe a sigh of relief today this morning. The United States Supreme Court blocked the trump administration's attempts to end the DACA program. DACA stands for deferred action for childhood arrivals. It's an Obama era policy that protects hundreds of thousands of. Immigrants who were brought to the US as children from being deported in two thousand seventeen, the trump administration announced it was winding down the program and gave Congress six months to figure out new legislation. Josh contrast is a doctor recipient. The twenty-three-year-old came to the US for Mexico. When he was eight. We reached him in Tampa. Cash, what was your reaction when you heard the decision at the Supreme Court? Whoa my reaction honestly Carol. I broke down. I broke down crying immediately after I heard the decision. I read that decision It's been a very stressful few weeks. we all knew the decision was going to be made in June so it's been every single week kind of thing we've been I've been checking other nonprofit oryx that I've been touched as well have been checking pretty much week by week when the next. Days will be scheduled on usually on Mondays and Thursdays. So. We knew this one was coming up I thought it was going to actually be extended until July so today was actually very surprising for me, and so, what does that mean for you I mean this. Is it for you? Personally? What what effect does it have on you that? The deferred action for childhood arrivals is not going to be canceled. It means a lot. It means a lot because not only does this week with childhood arrivals being still the rule. They are for us, but for me. It means hope I'm very inspired by all the activism that was done for not just myself for many many. People as well and just activism that has been done for over ten years, before the decision of the fruit action for childhood arrivals Obama as an twelve especially in the United States currently in the environment that we're living of racial injustice, not only for the immigrant community, but also for our LGBT community. The Trans Community are black community it proves a point that activism dust, work and effective all the way that can make it happen to the supreme. Court and not only did they ruled today in my favor by on. Monday they also ruled in my favorite because I am gay, so this week has just been amazing for me, but. Today, we celebrate tomorrow we continue the fight. Only a small celebration for me okay. Wasn't the celebration Donald Trump who said that these two decisions you've just described by both affect your life in the supreme. Court, he described it as the supreme. Supreme Court doesn't like me, and this has been shotgun blast to the face. What. What what what? What do you say to to Donald Trump about what he wants to do? Just talk about the this, Daca. Project now. What what? What do you want to tell him as to why? He should not dismantle it. I think today's decision proves a it's. It states very strong point from the court, saying that nobody is above the law including the president of the United States and that includes Donald Trump in itself and I think that it presents a very strong points of the president's for months away from the election. And like I said today, we celebrate, but. In November, we will say goodbye to trump because what's next for me, it's this is not over. You know I'm GonNa. Continue my activism, and just because I I I can't vote. I can still encourage people to vote. And were for months away from the election. That's not a very That's a very short period of time so we're hoping for November to have a good as well not only for myself, but for the nation. You're twenty three years old now. You came to the United States from Mexico and you're eight years old. Is that right? got. His correct and if DACA was this if it was canceled if you didn't have that that deferred action for childhood arrivals. What would happen to you? I would have lost my opportunity to continue my education. I actually stopped going to college last year because I personally didn't want to continue and. Spent so much money on something that could have been revoked. Saw I decided to not go to school and I decided to continue working I've been blessed to be able to work for an amazing company It's transfer wise. I work for Public Affairs Team and they've supported me one hundred percent but if today are, the outcome would have been different. I would have lost the opportunity to continue my employment with transfer wise. Old They've supported me. One hundred percent, said an amicus brief directly to the Supreme Court with other tech companies but I would have lost my employment. I would have had to come up with a a backup planned This is the only country that I've known or all. My life since I was eight years old and this is the only home that I know so if today's ruling would have been differently it would have not only affected my entire life, but it would affected. The economy might company my family. My friends would affected every single person around me and I do have to do with this possible that you would have been sent to Mexico. Absolutely my work. Permit expires next year May. Of next year, And that was the fear, so it wasn't something that was guaranteed so the petition, but it's always that fear of deportation and you know Carol growing up as a kid undocumented. You know. My parents always told me to give this story that was not true by myself to tell my friends tell my teachers that I came to this country legally, and this was the story that I was supposed to give every time and full I just didn't think that was stride lying and also like me growing up as being gay, you know it took a toll on me. So this means a lot to me because it meant means that I can be my true self. Josh! I'll be watching and thank you for speaking with us. Thank you for the interview. Carol appreciate it bye. Bye. Josh Contra is a doctor recipient. We reached him in Tampa Florida today's supreme. Court ruling did leave the door open for the trump administration to make another attempt to rescind the DACA program. When John Bolton declined to testify before the house impeachment inquiry last December, the former national security advisor said he was doing things by the book, but now Democrats are suggesting his real motivation was to get folks to buy his book. In that new book, which is scheduled to vote on Tuesday Mr Bulletin says Congress should have investigated US president, Donald Trump not just for his dealings with the president of Ukraine, but with other leaders as well the book describes Mr Trump as incompetent and says he showed a willingness to intervene in criminal investigations quote to in effect give personal favors to dictators. He liked on quote. Today House Speaker, Nancy Pelosi weighed in on John Bolton and his accusations during an interview with MSNBC's Andrea Mitchell. Here's part of that conversation for the record. Ask You about John Bolton's book, because in his there are new revelations including the president at that summit, the G. Twenty Summit as President Xi of China for help winning him reelection, helping buying soybeans from American farmers to help him win reelection which would seem to be. Akin to what he? Reportedly, with Ukraine also the president, not knowing that the United Kingdom is a nuclear power, saying that flat and re Putin can play them like a fiddle the president praising President Sheaves for concentration camps, holding the Muslim. your reaction to all of this. I said already the president ethically unfit. Intellectually, unprepared, personally unqualified to be president of the United States and I think that what we're seeing in some of the statements of those who have served the president. To see that point confirmed as far as the book is concerned. The. Shame on John Bolton for not coming forth during the impeachment, he wants it con. Con with the far right by saying. Oh, I'm criticizing the Democrats for not of going further in the impeachment, but the fact is, he refused. To to receive a subpoena from the House of Representatives, he said he would only receive from the Senate well, he knew the Senate would never issue one, so he chose royalties in this book and said of patriotism to our country. Democratic House Speaker Nancy Pelosi speaking with MSNBC's Andrea Mitchell today. Part. Lots of people have grass in their yards, but not all those grass covered yards our lawns, because dictionary definitions of lawn include one qualifier for example from Merriam Webster ground as around the house, or in a garden or park that is covered with grass and is kept mode. Now, the LAWNMOWER was invented in eighteen thirty, as we all know by Edwin, beard budding, and because we already know it, I don't need to rehash his inspiring story or his famous quote. I invented the LAWNMOWER, and it goes without saying that Mr Budding made all subsequent lawnmower developments possible including. The achievement, of Kevin, cleary a British butcher who invented a more that was maybe a little, too cutting edge of flying lawnmower. Barbara from spoke with Mr Cleary, Nineteen seventy-six. Hi Mr Clarrie. Hello. We understand. You've got a flying lawnmower there is it for sale? No. Quite enjoy. What do you call him? Can it also cut the grass. That's good. If, it crashes to the ground too many times. Though maybe it'll all come apart on you. Know crashed into a tree one. But fortunately. It well. You didn't trim any branches it. Is this a product. You've been working on for some time. Two years is the full. Nine of. INTRIGUING IDEAS People in high-rise block the window. When you go to this place, there's normally align of the across that a few helicopters and nothing to the kids up. So long same the appropriate thing. What keeps this thing in the air. Has It got wings? You rely on the grass catcher. Has No wings. Just a flat platform Monday. aerodynamically sound a lawnmower. no he's on Iran. Originally. But. It wasn't very clever flying his. So. It's down to the pilot skill. Is this a conversion job or a custom built lawn more? Mock run was a from Russian. And we couldn't find. That toilet, so we had to another one special features. Have you built into? Get an airborne. the engines now on the front. With propeller. and it has either on Purnea crossed on the back. And a little girl. It's the anybody. In order for up and down. Now, how improved latest version what can it do? Loop. WRONG SPIN retail that you to. As far as you can see so, this isn't just an ordinary flying lawnmower. well, it's. A robotic. Airshows. But we try to tell them. We've got lying all they tell us we made. which you are of course. Not Really. What's next? What will mark five? Be Able to do well cry. into has. A road on the back, but whether it will fly with a roller. No idea at the moment. And we go. Think is on another project. Which is even more insane off. which is that what's next? Pig. Animal! Miss Piggy is going to fly. Or. Do you mean a real pig? No. Laws police starring. Take full size. What will it do? We hope it will be clear about it. And the cow jumped over the moon. I'm serious. Well. It's a marvelous achievement Mr Mr. Going to be seen to be believed I'm afraid. Every photographers just rode up with laughter and or legal teach that the governor consoling well. It sounds like you have to be there to really appreciate it. Nice to talk to you, congratulations. From nineteen seventy-six Bubba from talking to Kevin, cleary inventor of the flying lawnmower, which weirdly did not take off. I don't know if Mr Clear is scary. Innovation is among the exhibits at the British Lawnmower Museum in Merseyside, but that Louvre of care does contain dozens of other amazing things, most of which are lawnmowers. The museum is the creation of Brian Random and in Nineteen ninety-one Michael Enron found out more about his collection of splendors in the grass and be warned. You'll hear the story of Edwin Beard Budding for the millionth time. Mr Adam. Why does the world need a Lawnmower Museum of all things? I'm not quite sure if the world's ready for alimony. It's machines that I've collected over the lost. And over twenty years that we're all destined for the scrap yard and I just could not bring myself to throw them away. This nearly a hundred altogether. Hundred. Where do you keep them there all and Oppose the shop where I. which is in in south for near Liverpool. England! All of those the shop. Back, she's A locksmith a garden machinery shops. This passion for Lawn mowers. And when I was brought loan loss, and when last school I went to work for a little more company, and it Sorta stem from that, my father went to in a hardware shop. And we although MOS in three pass, and once they got to sit and age. There's no spare parts available for them and they went straight to this. scrappy out, and some of them were so well built and. Designed and everything that I just couldn't bring myself to do it. What's the oldest you have the oldest one? This moment in time is eight hundred eighty green grains made in Leeds, in England and it's a push from. One of the features on it, besides and not to pay. They didn't have the materials and technology today. Everything was my doubts. Gastein out Capstein gays to drive it. All the CAS- timeframe and he's very heavy. the. The other difference on not source of age machine is the handles quite a lot lower than modern machine because people are not day. Were she also grow? Grow is still. Wet. Who invented the lawn more I don't know anything know. Edwin, voting with the first person to manufactured long put paint until. Edwin Edwin beard budding who lived in Pasta. And England and eighteen think. He took an idea from It was from one of the woolen mills, and they saw he saw this machine that was coaching the nap off the top of woollen cloth as if you wanted to MOA carpet gets little bit so. And then He. He made one it. Also cut the grass, and that's where it stemmed from and in the last. Hundred and fifty years. That style of machine is never changed. It is still the same basic principle. What is your favorites model? My. Favorite one would have to be a little colder as manufactured by JP engineering they would. They started in nineteen, twenty two, and rather than a more company, really a precision engineering. Company, but they they made. Long. it was top quality everything was. A low more was home built from by one professional craftsmen, and from start to finish. and the quality was so good at. and. Later on Rolls. Royce bought the company and they carried on producing almost. And Nineteen nineteen seventy was the last ones that came out in the country, literally the Rolls Royce of lawnmowers. US Yeah I mean. There's lots of good loan on the market, but that was certainly one of them. Thank you for talking to us. Okay? Right all right. Good bye now! Ryan Rodham has just opened the world's first lawnmower museum in Southport, and that's just a few blades of grass north of reading. From, Nineteen ninety-one Allen May Lyndon before him. Like right speaking with Brian Random Creator and curator of the British lawnmower museum. You've been listening to the as it happens podcast. Our show can be heard Monday to Friday on CBC Radio One non Sirius Xm following the world at six. You can also listen to the whole show on the CBC. Listen APP. Download it free from the APP store or from Google play. Thanks for listening I'm off and I'm Chris Hallam. For, more CBC PODCASTS GO TO CBC DOT CA slash podcasts.

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Buying An (Affordable) House and How To Feel (Again)

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Buying An (Affordable) House and How To Feel (Again)

"I duNNO I. I don't know if it's it's super productive. I saw someone joke on twitter today. I actually think it was a vice thing that I saw and they asked Jagmeet Singh weather weather he could beat Trudeau in a fight. Apparently he's good at mixed martial arts yeah that was like at what point do we just put them all in a boxing ring and that's how we decide site this election. I have always maintained that we should have one debate and they can answering any frigging language they want to but then we have another debate. That's just all of them. In some sort of like escape deep room or some sort of battle bought situation American Ninja Warrior like there's other ways to game affi- this thing rather than you know various pundits saying Oh this person clearly one now let the rest of US actually judge based on actual scorekeeping it always brewed balancing the Mercedes service welcome to say space a podcast about the news politics pop culture and anything else that catches our attention I am. I'm your host Mickey. Mouse here say space. We are creating a safe space every single week for bad takes and to do that. We are joined by a couple of friends. Help us make sense of world. I'm so excited to have in studio with us. Emily Jackson she is the host of the downtown business podcast and she is a reporter for the financial post handling hi. Thanks for having me very welcome. We also have with us in Studio Stephen Joe. He is a reporter for vice news here in Toronto asking check in. How's the election election holding out for everybody I would just I think it's a bit demoralizing at this point. You know we just got the news that Andrew Scheer is also an American which I can't bring myself to care about on top of everything else in this election so it's just been one full of complete Duthie. Yeah I think between the two planes thing and Andrew Shears passports thing. It's like it's kind of like points of information than if you ask me them in two weeks I will not be able to recall when I discovered that or why all right well then let's get down to some topics do matter because aside aside from the kind of side show of politics they are still campaigning and for almost every single party a major issue on which they've been campaigning around is the idea of housing and housing affordability. There's people that need housing right now. There's people that need help right now so to help those families out right now now. We're going to put in place a rental subsidy. This is going to help families that are struggling with housing today. We can change the tax code to encourage the building of purpose built rental housing we can increase access to more affordable housing by dealing with some of the perverse pressures on our supplied housing airbnb have taken a lot of actual housing housing out of the marketplace point you specifically to our housing strategy which consists of reworking the stress and make it easier for young couples else to purchase their new home with a longer amortization period. We're announcing that a new liberal government will expand the incentive to give even more help to people living in Victoria the Greater Vancouver area and the Greater Toronto area in those markets. We will increase the value of a qualifying home from approximately really five hundred thousand dollars to nearly eight hundred thousand dollars. Everyone's kind of made their pitch about it how they want to offer the incentives for first time home owners or what they wanna do to the mortgage dressed has to you know how much more housing they want to build and it's kind of a lot to factor in soon as a renter. I'm endlessly kind of confused. Emily your financial report or maybe you can give us the landscape what is housing affordability mean when these parties are talking about so so the challenge with the term affordability is that when they talk about it on a grand scale. It doesn't really mean anything because affordable to who is the question what's affordable to someone who makes one hundred thousand dollars. A year is very different to a F- then what's affordable to a family of four that makes about seventy thousand dollars a year which is about the average household income in Toronto so when you're talking about affordability in a blanket sense it really it stops meaning anything and it it just is kind of the same sort of pitch that we hear about you know wanting to appeal to the middle class so both of those words to me have lost lost a lot of meaning which gets kind of frustrating when we talk about housing affordability but ultimately the definition is supposed to be if you're spending about thirty percent of your income on housing that is supposed to be affordable so whether that's on your mortgage payments your your rental payments that supposed to be affordable that is definitely out of reach for a lot of people living in Canada's biggest cities where housing prices have skyrocketed. I mean in part of the responses from the parties are coming. Are you know kind of tactically shrewd having to do with hot housing markets in Toronto and we cover in aiming for those voters but when we're looking at housing affordability affordability who isn't able to afford their housing it. It's interesting so depending on the policy a lot of people are targeting first time homebuyers that would be the conservatives conservatives the liberals in even the MVP a little bit so with the Conservatives they want to essentially reduce the mortgage stress tests and allow how people to increase the amount of time it takes to pay off their mortgage so their monthly mortgage payments are smaller so instead of like a standard twenty five year mortgage. Maybe they can add a decade or so so onto that added at five years thirty years so this is what the Conservatives are promising to end. EP wants to do thirty or as well that could make your monthly payments smaller again. It's riskier right because then if interest rates go up you've got a mortgage for a longer amount of time or a bigger mortgage essentially to pay off the liberals also targeting first-time time homebuyers with this incentive where essentially the government will help you out with your downpayment and you have to pay them back when you either sell your your house or within twenty five years so if you have five percent of a of the total cost of the house you can. That's your down payment. That's fine but they would louis new and up to an additional ten percent so your mortgage payments again would be smaller but ultimately you do have to pay the government back. This is a bit of an interesting strategy eighty but I'd save first-time homebuyers kind of the the hot demographic that people are targeting that does tend to make sense because once the people are in the property market they can kind of stay in there so it's about enticing people who are sick of paying all their money to rent which it can feel like when you're living in and Toronto or Vancouver or Montreal or less Montreal everyone in Montreal Komo brags about how good their rent situation is. I'm sick of them. It's so oh good. I mean Stephen. Let's bring you in on this. You know Toronto's kind of the hot housing market. Is there an idea that's resonating with you. Read read these promises. I you know I'm I'm always super impressed. When I hear people kind of like commentators were able to to remember what these people say with the numbers and stuff because you know if it resonated with me I would remember and and you know I've been writing party profiles for for Vice Dot Com and the Green Party has gigan- like must be a couple of hundred pages of worth of platform points the MVP have a summer thing. I don't remember reading any of it and thinking okay. Some of the stuff is actually you you can get to the structural problem of the fact that what is it like one in four one in three households and can. I think pay more than half half of their pre taxed income on rent or on their mortgage. That's that's housing. Affordability as a sign of affordability in general people's wages are not going up fast enough so they can ask comfortably afford food shelter obviously and then and clothing you know. I I I agree. Elections are very important. You should probably familiarize yourself basically with you know if you're a if you care about being a citizen about out you know of what these people are saying all that being said these aren't problems that can be solved by just by ratifying thing every every few years going to the polls to ratify policies that have already been shaped. I think that's a really good point your point about though you you know people are only making a certain amount of money in the seventies is if a house price was say one hundred thousand bucks your income would probably be twenty five thousand bucks a year now. The ratio is ten to one so it takes so much longer for people to actually afford to be able to buy a home and and wages haven't been rising as quickly as housing prices in in the last ten years in Toronto alone. The average housing price has doubled so I mean we we all know haven't doubled they definitely haven't I certainly am not making twice. As much as I wish I wish yeah. I'm just GONNA cut this part out email email to all all our bosses. I mean part of that is in then in an election and you have the parties making these promises or having done made some action in the past couple of years here's to do something around relieving housing. Is there still too much of a push on the idea of like you have to buy a house in order for this economy to sustain itself. I think that's a really good question and I think that's something like our generation. The millennials and the younger generation are going to be grappling with because that idea the of homeownership was always kinda dream but is that really realistic anymore in at least in Canada's big cities we have these cities are expected to grow by hundreds of thousands of people in the next ten years and if we're not building supply to keep up with that demand we're all going to be crammed crammed into the same amount of space right so does it really make sense to think of a detached home. I mean sure if you want to commute for three hours a day. Maybe you could afford one but you have to weigh those pros and cons so I think this dream of home. Ownership is not as I think it's still something we is kind of left over from a previous generation. I'm not sure it resonates strongly with millennials and maybe Stephen. That's why you feel like these parties aren't really speaking into you when they're talking about get into a home. You'll be the first time homebuyer yeah I I rent I have. I live in a house with a a bunch of other people having rented for so long and having had so many dozens and dozens of roommates looking back I still feel like you you know having your own place is important a your own privacy or whatever I think it's not resonating the idea of home ownership primarily partly of not primarily because of affordability thing like you can't it's fifty years it takes now forty fifty years re to save up to buy something and Mangku Hoover Okay and dozens of years to buy something in a suburban neighborhood here in the Ta for example I. I don't think that's sustainable because there's a lot of debt and I was having a conversation with a friend of mine who works in the financial industry and you know he said something that so obvious but never really thought of thought of it that way but you know for a lot of the for you know credit card banks credit card companies. You know an increase in personal debt is is a positive thing for them. It's considered growth and I think recently the annual increase for the average Canadian person's debt is like thirty percent like growing cumulatively every year so at some point like you know you have a huge. You have obviously of people been talking about. Oh when's the housing market. Come crashing down or whatever and it hasn't happened yet but in my mind you know. I'm not an economist but I'm just thinking like one of these days. Something's nothing's GonNa Happen and and you know was the politician knowing that you know things like student. Loans or student debt is such a factor for a younger set of people than than it was prior. Generation is something like the offers by each party around housing really going to resonate because almost all still still rested the idea like you have to take out a mortgage. You have to take out a big debt in order to join this part of the economy that we're going to support and sustain and for a lot of people that are like that's not necessarily recycle. I want to get back into so it's always kind of you. Know never really resonated for me when parties are offering more in housing and I'm just like everyone I know is so terrified of their debt already is it. Is it really something that's going to work for them. Debt is such a huge part of the equation and I think that you you touched on it. Canadians have one of the highest debt levels of any country in the world and money is so cheap right now by the interest rates rates are so low so interest rates right now. Are I mean the benchmark. Rate is one point seven five percent. I believe we need to fact check me on that too but essentially what it means is that it's fairly cheap to borrow money. You're only you only have to pay back the principal plus one one point whatever ever percent on a mortgage rate right now you can get a mortgage for like two point eight percents in the eighties when the boomers were having kids leads buying houses the interest rates were up like above ten percent up to almost twenty percent at some points so then you're paying back twenty percent on top of what you paid so that that would be insane if the interest rates went up that high right now people would have to walk away from their houses. There's no way they could have afforded they could afford their payments still in Alberta Berta. When that happened in the eighties they called it Jingle Mail because people would just send their keys back to the bank and just walk away from their houses and just leave them so this I I feel like our generation? We've kind of been raised on cheap debt so some people aren't as afraid to get into it because you're like oh well. I only have to pay back a little a bit more than what I borrowed but it all stacks up and the point about student debt is so good because not only and I do think that's what's keeping a lot of people people kind of disenchanted by this dream of home ownership because they already have these debt payments to service they see that it is taking years and years and years to pay them off and also because you're so busy paying off your other debts you don't have enough cash to save up her for a mortgage down payment and you don't don't have enough cash to it's difficult especially in the major cities to do anything more than just pay for your cost of life talk about like millennials who are not in these major markets goodness knows sort of like montrealers but other friends who live outside of major cities will say just move it. Is that like would it be much more a sustainable for a party to say instead of helping out with your mortgage. We'll just help you move. You know what I think would be helpful. If there were jobs in the smaller centres so like the thing is there's more jobs in Toronto rates so you need to go where the jobs are but say if they were like we're going to build awesome. Internet connections out in the boonies and you can go get a house there for a hundred thousand dollars and start up a company there at that will be that would be an an interesting policy. I think I think the the job thing is is obviously really really important being connected in that kind of thing there is you know the maritimes obviously is is facing this this problem to young people don't want to stay there and there's massive incentives being handed out when I was in Halifax. Someone told me like the provincial provincial government in the city government are really coming together to say to people we're going to give you all these benefits up to and including housing just to get fifty thousand more people into the greater or Halifax area and still the young people are Kinda like yeah. I'm still going to just leave Nova Scotia. Thank you so much. Obviously you know people have aspirations right like they. There's something about big incredibly diverse places that draw people in and there's a certain lifestyle people feel like they can. Maybe you know they can be more themselves or something but we don't have an economic. We were losing. I think an economic comic sort of I dunno model or you know the status quo right now is is changing in a way that doesn't allow people to sort of not just sort of aspire things but often to fulfill their most basic needs and I think you know just speaking big picture wise. I feel like that. D- legitimizes misers not just industry or or business or whatever but de legitimizing are like democratic principles and I think that's why we we're seeing so much sort of a you know the the right wing populism today for example and you know the Reisen in a lot of hate. I think that's a huge part of it. Yeah I mean I think in general we're seeing I actually think there's a bit of populism on both ends of the political spectrum like I think you know real marker. Populism is the idea of like railing l. e. against the elites and we've seen both the MVP and the Conservative Party kind of say like elites are doing the S. and the liberals were doing it when they were trying to achieve their tax code changes so so I mean we're looking at housing. Maybe this is cynical of me. I tend to think like well. That's not really form. People are describing like first time home. Buyer is an all of these incentives entity as being for me but what I know to be true is that a set of people who have a lot of money are handing out money down to a generation that does not include me and so I think the kind of wealth transfer were seeing in. This country is part of this question. I think that's part of where these parties are. Targeting is this this set of giant pool of money that is being moved down across generation but excluding a set of people like myself and Stephen who are not going to be able to receive that giant pile of money and say okay okay well. Let's by the House off mom and dad or let's invest in these condos based off this wealth transfer that we've gotten. Is that something you're seeing coming up emily absolutely and I I think I think you've touched on a huge thing so of millennials who are buying homes. I think fifty percent is the statistic have help from their mom and dad and baby. boomer have a ton of wealth even think about it in the housing market alone. Some people say they bought their house in Toronto in the seventies probably bought it hundred grand and now it could be worth three million dollars so they're sitting on a ton of wealth even if even for people who didn't grow up as wealthy or didn't. I didn't grow up in that elite class but now there's all that money that they can transfer to their kids to help them out and say well better. Give it to them now than what I'm Gon helped them. Get a foot ahead right and I think that is a huge huge huge factor more than fifty percent so I do think that's something that really needs to be considered and and is having a huge impact on the housing market and finally it's time for take. Lee's this is the part of the show. where we share our boldest bad opinions rant endorsements or whatever else we need to get off our chest emily. You're the first time I wanted to get started with your takeaway this week. I I have have to say that. This is what I was most nervous about the podcast because all of your guests have the coolest takeaways and I'm not as funny but as we're talking about what we were watching on TV last day with the debate debate what I wasn't watching which I'm very sad about is that the bachelor in paradise is over so I had to turn to net flix and binge. Watch something else I I started watching. This is us and guys my take on. This is us which is just essentially emotional porn is that it's actually a very good show is. It just seems like your show where they're like at some one point. They like Flash a card on the screen. They're like this is always when you cry. It's essentially just crying and this is my argument for it is that I just WanNa feel feelings you. We're on twitter all day. We're following this election and it just can feel so you feel kinda stuck in this void anyways. It makes you feel feelings. It is objectively objectively very terrible bad teeth but it makes you anything happens to all these people and it's how much more can they take and you're like. I can't take it at at all. anyways that is my that is my take on what everyone should be watching as a guilty pleasure during this election that's fair. I recently caught an episode of parenthood which used to be my go-to. I'm going to cry kind of thing like it's just it's just very for for those of us. Who WanNa feel feelings yeah. I understand that I can rock without one. I feel feelings but they're like bad feelings like anger frustration. They have a guilty pleasure then pleasure I'm not I I'm bad I get nervous when I start new show so I don't do it that smart and I usually just watch really bad action movies on Netflix or Amazon Prime. I have both so those are your go to. I'm going to feel something but it's action based aced yeah. I've watched some Arnold Schwarzenegger movie for the Fortieth Time Kindergarten Predator Predator. I can't believe I'm I blinked on that but I just feel like if you as a quote unquote take it's an obvious one but if you're going to be erases towards a famous person you should make sure he's not hot miked so this is a in a market in Montreal prior to the debates. Jagmeet Singh was yeah some wait racist guy kind of run up on him towards him and then you should cut geared turbine off and you're Lulu eighties look like all sorts of people. That's the beauty of Caddo. I don't agree in you know creepy slash friendly way it tells them to cut the thing he's wearing on his head look more Canadian and we can hear everything and it's almost like when he did the Leinen he was like I'm. I'm doing you a favor telling you this. Maybe no one's told him it was like Jesus. Christ is this I mean. I think every person was watching that like Oh. Uh I know that lean like I know they're about to say so. Let's look the racist lean. It's like an eighty degree angle or someone's just like I can tell you something terrible. You're like no please. Lisa lean into me that way but oh my God I now. I want to carry a hot. Mike all the time. I think that's a good idea because I think I mean it's just even watching the reactions actions on twitter and the fact that Jagmeet Singh is being celebrated because Oh he dealt with it so well. It's like well. He has to deal with this crap crap day in and day out and this video is perhaps proof to some people who say that racism. It's it's not a thing. It's not what people are worried about. I mean feel like the guy was genuinely trying to give him good advice. I think he is. I think he was just like I. I'd love to share with him. My opinion hope you win in hope you would yeah is is. I feel like it's I mean I've said this many times about none of these men being particularly inspiring or feeling like the second coming of Barack Obama but at at the same time I'm like I Barack Obama wash that was like I know that lean people are about to say they support you but there are all sorts of say something racist and wild man. Yeah I watch that and I just like I genuinely think the amount of restraint Jagmeet Singh shows knowing that this man can do mixed martial arts and opts not to hit everyone in the face says wild things to him that is that's almost as Maneka it is it is I think I think it is not a on that one. What's what's your take. I'M GONNA probably wrong about this. Regretted almost instantly which is I do not think in any way we need five moderators for the official kingland debate. There's five of their five of them that I saw I saw the ad come up on last night and it was like they did all the party. Leaders like little flash flash cards are like maxine Bernie Justin Trudeau Andrew Scheer Missouri's May Francois Blanchette and I was like cool like that's expected either and then they also did the title cards for all the moderators. I was like man. This is like when. WWe would announce everyone on the card because it was then it was all of them and they did it by last name to their delacour Raj Nick. We'd we need. Just maybe two of these people and it's not because I don't think any of them are titans of the industry or I don't think any of them are really good at the job. It's it's just one of those things and I'm like the compromise is as condescending as it feels which is like just pick one of them. I think they all like each other enough. Just pick one and let one do the job and let us be mad about that if she if they do a bad job but like saying like we've got five women as like. I feel I feel condescended to. I'll watch it one five. I'll watching I'm probably going to regret it instantly and they're going to be like the frigging vendors of moderating a political debate like well. I'm a dummy I mean I would love that and adventurous style political debate yeah I guess. CBC Did kind of the same thing with the national right instead of choosing one host they went with four. It's it's a lot it's a lot it's a lot of people out there on the stage. Hey I'm It'll be interesting to see how that plays out. It's I'm sure that it's GonNa be pretty talked about okay well. That's it for the show this week. Thank you so much to emily and Stephen Emily. Where can people keep up with you. In your work. You can follow me on twitter at the Emily Jackson and you can subscribe to her fantastic podcast down to business. It's where I learned anything informative about the world of business at all. I can barely read so super useful Stephen. Have you I'm at Stephen said that each of you and you can find us on Itunes by going to you. 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Tuesday 22 October

Monocle 24: The Briefing

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Tuesday 22 October

"You're listening to the briefing first broadcast on the twenty second of October Two Thousand Nineteen on monocle twenty four the briefing is brought to you in partnership with Rolex we will continue to fight climate change we will get guns off our streets and we will keep investing Elliot plus Taiwan is reportedly attempting to build its own fighter jet and here the Times newspaper is putting on political stunt at London's West same time they spoke over each other during the Bates during the debates they spoke over each other early this morning as they sort of rallied the troops again serve agenda and strong action on climate change I heard you my friends negatively they rejected cuts and austerity and they voted in favor of progress you are sending our liberal team back to work back to Ottawa with a clear mandate we will make life more affordable aw projecting this as a huge victory but liberals conservatives and the MVP all lost ground so they're all losers they're all winners innocence where we had well big words but minority government that was the Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau speaking a short time ago join here in the studio by Daniel Bank Indus Jagmeet Singh was speaking out in British Columbia normally they don't do that normally they come together and say I'm going to speak at this time you'll speak at that time they all spoke at the visit and bitter campaign quickly and get back to work that was more of a campaign style speech and it's really interesting that Trudeau that was close to runs off our streets and we will keep investing we'll have the Toronto Bureau chief Thomas Lewis and also find of what Trudeau had to say in his victory speech in Montreal from coast to Coast to coast tonight Canadians rejected division go scare to be reelected as Canada's prime minister we will make life more affordable we will continue to fight climate change we will get that before electoral pollens just tell us a bit about minority government Canadians good at doing that I mean we have a long history of minority governments judo has won a second term as Canada's Prime Minister his Liberal Party will claim the most seats in parliament but they are expected to fall short of an outright majority. Let's have a listen to about how Canadian papers are digesting those narrow victory also had today we'll have a roundup of the biggest stories from across South America with our Latin American affairs correspondent Winston Station we'll find out what they're up to all that ahead here on the briefing with me Tom Edwards do one o'clock in the morning and Montreal is quite late I was listening on the way and this morning he chose to speak at the exact same time as Andrews Cheer was speaking in the prairies new Democrats floated during the campaign he immediately had to walk that back and talk about supporting the government Interestingly the new Democrats thanks went live you know he's now looking to features the setting the agenda as he moves forwards was everyone been saying yeah he has to sort of shake off a very certainly the world the word coalition I mentioned this on the globalist as well not really used in Canada it was it was floated by Jagmeet Singh Very Progressive Left leaning leader of the D. One of our Canadian contingent Heritz Midori House Danny what's your reactions that he he sounded pretty strung out but we were talking just before the are directly against the pipeline they they refuse to work for that pipeline the Liberals bought the pipeline in for the energy sector in the West obviously which the conservatives champion so the new Democrats have twenty four seats for the Liberals to get anything through parliament they would need either the new Democrats An and EP member into his caucus into his government I don't see that happening so it won't be an official coalition absolutely he'll need their support it won't be a coalition in official terms Justin Trudeau we've known him to become quite bullish and even quite pompous I don't see him putting the block by block of Becua- pardon me the Nationalist Party from Quebec who actually won more seats on last night then the EP so they are the real balance of power here so it will be a tenuous one the Conservative leader Andrew Scheer saying last night were ready and waiting to defeat the government and we're ready to take over they don't think it's GonNa last long so we shall see what about his deal-making prowess see this has been damaging Trudeau to a degree does he still have the facility to do champion himself fashioned himself in his first campaign Trudeau will need to maintain sort of his strong leadership approach and I think you'll have to he he won't have choice he the clip we heard off the top there he was talking about making life more affordable tackling climate change and he would taking the taking care of that he would absolutely need the MVP I think Jagmeet Singh is guy he can work with very charismatic young guy much like Trudeau absolutely need the new Democrats for those things that's what they campaigned on on you know making healthcare more affordable making living more affordable and and talking about Pharma Cares leaning newspaper from from Alberta projecting welcome to the nightmare it's so funny actually hearing overnight the some of the coverage from the public broadcaster in Canada any kind of deal with any of these other players are the formal or informal it is present me he's still a well he still capable Titian can you get that done after the massive question of course international forces international markets have a lot to do with the price of oil and how the energy sector does but there them reminding listeners about nineteen eighty when when Pierre Trudeau and Justin's father was completely shut out in the prairies much like Trudeau was last night because of the resentment in Alberta always actually really surprised to hear from even liberal western Canadians how much they've resent he will be an interesting one to watch in the House of Commons Holding Trudeau to account And this other comment piece I find quite funny on the front of the National Post PM Makes History Look at the day's other main headlines His markle's Yolene Gopher thank you Tom. Donald Trump says some American troops will stay in Syria despite his recent misgovernment put them in cabinet posts or will he draft in people who weren't even elected or didn't even campaign his father did exactly that he wasn't liked out west the energy sector you're huge huge implications for Trudeau and what he does on this pipeline Quebec and the block Becua- don't support it the MVP move forces from Syria. Japan's Emperor Naruhito has formally proclaimed his ascension to the throne it follows the dictation of his father Emperor Akihito Project that behind closed doors heal absolutely need to be the tactful politician and get some help let's see how it gets on with that now we mentioned you're GonNa Browse through some newspapers can I start with my with a new low he he moves on from a majority government to lose the popular vote across Canada Canada but they did gain a lot of ground during the campaign a Jagmeet Singh did very well for himself and projecting himself as a capable young charismatic leader minute to reports on the unstoppable rise of Nordstrom the family run department store chain shows no signs of shirking from bricks and mortar and on Thursday evil goal for them to be withdrawn the US president added they would protect oilfields while others would stay near Israel and Jordan trump has been heavily criticized over his decision inch trudeau he is really disliked. This is a problem the other thing about forming a government is what his father did in nineteen eighty was he had to draft in senators to read earlier this year bland celebrations have been postponed out of respect for the victims of typhoon hijabs which recently devastated large parts of the country and today's administered and Jagmeet Singh the leader of the EP declaring I won which is which is partially true at the end ep lost a lot of and the other comment saying he's pulled off a bit of an election miracle which I think after the last two scandals he he did quite well to pull that in an election no on the briefings take a deeper dive into some of the day's main news stories I'm delighted say joined on Enough Time to scrutinize Johnson's proposals adequately vincent or come to you first of all well I think in this in all of these goings on received wisdom for the better and learn how Phyllis action continues to be the crucial driver of change the pioneers coming soon to one twenty four administer does get to the second reading he has the numbers to get his withdraw agreement bill through the House of Commons he's got further than the it's New York flagship on fifty seventh street we'll have more on the story a little later in the program those are today's headlines back to you tom thanks very much you're still to come don't support it but western Canada says we have to get moving on the energy file let's just have a couple of others national post was one of the most beautifully and elegantly designed station. This is the briefing stay tuned coming soon Monaco Rolex bring you the pioneers the Pines is a brand new series that tells the stories of people improved percents those providence provinces in his government because he had no MP's the exact same situation now will true draw from the opposition parties to help British PM Boris Johnson's launching his final attempt to take the UK out of the EU by the end of the month members of the House of Commons though have complained they simply haven't a hundred and ten pages long it has one hundred twenty five pages of explanatory notes the idea that you can really briskly go through something this fundamental is where exactly are we up to still more claim and counter-claim people saying we can leave we can't there is time there isn't what happened today well I mean it looks as though if the the briefing will get a round up of the stories that are making news in South America and we'll find out why the political animals at the Times newspaper taking over at a major London may has it is going to be the test as to whether or not the scheduling bill so the scheduling motion to do this rapid timetable really of getting it through the house yeah it's it's true though with the witch's brooms and some bats and black cats playing up the Halloween theme that It is a story right being the planet you'll hear how Rolex supports these innovators with whom they share a passion for safeguarding the F- future generations gain precious insights into the fresh thinking that is disrupting nothing but surely this is something most significant constitutional change in generations that requires time if nothing else of course it does and design why extraordinary and I think that could be a loss for the government on the timetabling and that would really cause problems because everyone has been throwing up this morning in the past two years we've had a Komen's through the House of Lords at the weekend to the Queen by next Monday in order to get old then the necessary legislation they need through and it has to go off to European he's panel by Vincent mcilvanney UK correspondent for Year and years and Rico Franceschini correspondent for Data Publica gentlemen welcome both heading down the road to Westminster now lament be approved there as well by that October thirty first deadline is going to be rapid there are some people who were saying that they support the second reading of the bill they do not support this timetable for instance a bill about animals in circuses which went on for weeks just for came in everyone's picking out you know Osama bill in the late eighties had two months of the consensual that Muslim do maybe we'll hear from you again later on what's happening in your motherland a little later today here Monaco Twenty four right now on the briefing it's time to tell you this has been taken up by this by for four years essentially the so many other issues journalists like myself in lobby we play game of what would stories we would be covering were in Utah put this as parliament versus the people suggesting the MP's are self interested and they're not respecting democracy but as Vincent elegantly describes there it's that they are quite stymied by having to deal with Brexit what is interesting is I think they've really gotten themselves into the point where Donald Tusk stay said you know whatever happens always certain feeling of fatigue that is a among politicians but ups even among journalists people showing people like you my favorite dish this is the Calgary Sun yeah do justice using your words if you can donate to this it's it's it's a haunted house kind of Halloween special said democracy democratic to discuss it may we all the time required to do so on the other end I think what Boris Johnson is playing for it wasn't for this so many big stories that just fall away don't have the impact they normally with and I think the same issue is going on in the EU last week the French reject his was that type of thing yeah they're the only ones that sort of didn't go with a photo of Trudeau or a celebration rally they went with a photo of both Trudeau and the Liberal leader can you to the rest of the world is clear that it is the UK continuously stumbling over itself that you know if it doesn't happen on October thirty first owner Vincent I wonder what about in Brussels is there is there some of that on we as well even from obviously the fiercely committed europhiles their administrators saying they haven't spent as much time talking about the issues that they want to get on with the reforms that the EU needs to make issues of geopolitics what they do about refugee crisis and things now we are not responsible for notable brexit and I think that was something that the UK could play a bit opposite shifting the blame towards Brussels a bit but I think the Dan has the threat of a no deal that receded as you as you see it because it's hard to see that we could get any kind of phone verdict from the actually yeah we've got to get them out as that corner being turned I think somewhat yeah I mean just you know like with the whole bandwidth of our politics and nationalist that's why I call it groundhog day over again it always comes back I was reading what Ben was saying today that if these breaks they also have come out against the people for three years now I may or now with Boris Johnson he doesn't make much sense say it bait the idea that you could do this in two days is quite extraordinary let me ask you a little bit about that because many close divorce Johnson contain Shen of accession for two new member states was just kind of a sideshow it wasn't really you know he's being talked a little about France whether or not but it's not as big as it would be stories sounds more and more like gown dog day you know the movie because you we've been hearing this parliament wants to stop Democracy Day thousand nine hundred ninety nine year old Breton trying to leave the European Union is not easy to leave the European Union it's not easy to live a confederation or association Italy's approved and then the negotiations stars in the future trade relations and by December thirty first twenty twenty there is not in agreement you have to decide by July first next July I if they extend the transition period so we have a one deadline after that I'm afraid not to get it over I met I've some friends who are passionately against breaks that there's this by say that's it okay you wanted every let's let's turn this call repeats of Groundhog Day very briefly is there any way we can look for a potential solution to all of this complexity I wonder you know we we've seen frequently in Italy for the prime minister and the political classes the idea that this is all gone away with on November the first I mean the way it's being spun to the public is you know it's like you're pregnant you'll give really sometimes always squeezed in out of apparently our resolvable situation but he said easily get used to being easily the UK not earth and then it's back to you know you can go out sit me he goes there will be sleepless nights it's like this is the hardest part coming trying to get a new deal is the hard part this is would effectively bids and he's a progressive prime minister it's a leading democracy he's facing problems that we are now seeing more and more countries civic leaders and the populist movements there squaring off against the world over in Canada well the main liberal parties are probably disappointed and place in equal measure which is fluids role agreement this is just paying our bill the next stage in which of the moment on the schedule we only have a year to sort out and that is why there's a bill amendment confusing both picks up on failure the Greens and new Democrats to deliver a many of the progressive policies he campaigned on so vigorously before so how does he move we should have had without all of this delay coming into play and because the processes become so convoluted and if I can add on that I just read the the the UK Ah governments who are rendered completely impotent by the surroundings of political inertia of fragmentation lessons from Italian politics POPs dates perhaps we should remember the last time some states tried to leave the United States of America there was a long war I think as well just on this point the blowback for the we do crash out in October thirty first it is squarely with London not with Brussels despite all the from Johnson and others that are about that no deal question the something new thought let's just pick up again on some results from the Canadian election we were talking about the the narrow victory of Justin Trudeau what does that mean for progress put down your soul and the way in by Greg Bowls to expand that timetable to the twenty I think back to twenty twenty three to have the normal amount of time I think it's really interesting that Brock Obama did come in Barak Obama is basically being on mute for the last three years so he makes you know once maybe a quarter we you to be departing at some point in the next year or eighteen months and so I think that the choice was to keep a voice like that in that was why he got that in you know it'll be interesting to see what he does now because it is so interesting in this campaign you know the thing that really thwarted him with something I think if you in order to government this sort of political inertia again what's his next move Hennie wise words for him I mean yeah I mean he's going to have to form a coalition we've had experience of that the UK could still leave the European Union with no deal so this is like now that our jokes in social media with their shows you know the world active character along with Amer call to be a voice for internationalism for international cooperation for green issues and Angler Merckel is likely assessment and that is kind of you know he has elevated Canada on the international stage in the past few years taking in refugees from Syria and other countries wouldn't standing up to Saudi Arabia you just started this campaign and said this is the issue you know wearing black face and not being able to say how many times he did it and then and you've said guess which politician did this I think Saito Fetch I will tell you about that no deal threat significantly reduced because parliament voted several times against it on the other end and in the UK in recent years in our experience it you know David Cameron probably looks back at that time was a golden time because the coalition of the total check on the lunatic fringe of his morale's or it I mean this is kind of president to joke about that a member of the House of Lords who knows Italy told me today that yes he's through it roller indulge with a nice little bit of oratory from him but the fact that he came out I think it's because it tables like the g twenty and the g seven Trudeau has been we are talking about all the problems any basically didn't win or one week victory but maybe we should be less international his scintillating youthful progressive qualities taken a real knock on the on the on the global stage as well Trudeau well I don't think whoa warranted and perhaps many anticipated in candidate is trudeau than still sort of best if we look at that brand Canada which is talking about there I mean he's still a safe pair of hands on would've guessed it'd be in Justin Trudeau what about it's interesting Vinnie's leading to it that this idea of maybe Trudeau having a certain star today's few months ago I think six months ago economists I think at the cover story in a special issue about Canada's an example for the worse were to follow I now idea they can stop spreading xenophobia and the abstract racism and that seems to have worked quite well in Canada but yeah I think for for a friend of mine did an interview with Barack Obama after a few years ago was in power and then after the interview off the record he said what journalist thanks so I I think that what's happening in Canada with Radu it's a proof of how quickly you know support for a leader can evaporate the foaming people we've all gotten used to you know don't feed the trolls is becoming a very good message don't elevate these messages of hate these people if they get Deepak from social media much you know I wouldn't be surprised if in the next couple of weeks Greta Tom Burke who I know is travelling in the US right now is suddenly up in Canada and we'll be meeting her and they'll be new prejudice maybe she said he said we all support you know and Obama Hazard you have no idea how difficult it is to even have elite the a an accommodation that we often come back to around this table is about the sort of the left the centre-left in crisis a failure of innovation failure coherent and you know it is tricky because they are country that is a resource producer the issues he's had with this pipeline but I think you'll very much start to tack onto the kind of International Z. which then destroyed him and is still working to the story itself and seeing there can be some upsides of it especially as he's having to tax the left so that helps that he wants to be progressive commentators always tried to find the logic in things after the happen but if we remembered that sixty thousand more votes for Hillary Clin so true I believe that we exaggerate some thanks but we have to see things in context we Jordan analyst or political mentors I guess it would look like on the international stage I think interesting is we're looking at the results you know the far right party in Canada didn't do you know any any ground and that is an interesting lesson I think we it's certainly seems to be in this country at the moment is that talk of crisis though exaggerated do we sometimes need to just take and errors but was is being a good force them I think has been the step had given the populists didn't make the gains that they the made the gay bear y thousands she obtained three and a half million votes in the popular vote more than we could have been ear saying lean message and try and rebuild his brand with that and I wonder are there any wider lessons if we look back over the loss of eighteen months to two years there's often this narrative about the rise of populism I ac- progressive have been unable wave so knows illogic mother is also any irrational aspects in politics and reconcile it it's not all it's not all as bleak as it might ever paid say two years three years ago it is through a lot of people are angry but it's starting to see that in Europe as well in elections that have been in Europe animal starting to kind of see it shifting in the UK and possibly in the US that you d revealing so many more crimes so many more people you know Rudy Giuliani is so engulfed in this in this obviously affecting his mental state which wasn't healthy anyway and that he's really Donald Trump I think that's a really point I think you know politicians and journalists particularly you know we thrive on this stuff we like living on twitter we like every twist and turn the in this last bit I like to try to find the logic in the fact that trump the through those victory will be a prelude to the defeat in Canada I think what are the incident intruded immediately got up in that speech there was interestingly him Meizhou at least is top priority was climate he says about climate and I think he will Asia chaos create so much background noise it creates a window for behaviors which are you know five years ago we wouldn't have said we're about were acceptable that we're now Chris to do a little thing better and that's what I think we should look at Canada's through the door yes problems he made gaffes in our on the international stage playing to the international gallery whilst at home you know his travails of all the more serious I guess Manuel Macron has had similar experience did you think though that his zt and it's you know not having to worry every time a news alert POPs up in your phone as to what is happening I think that is maybe why there's this time away from populace as well is that like it traits in Georgia people just want to get on with their lives do their jobs raise their families see their friends have a nice life I think part of why trump is failing is that the the world is fatigued by Americans having said actively debate and I think that people just don't want that kind of responsibility leading countries well we didn't go down to the Trumpian rabbit hole yeah because it seems to me that many of those Memphis American public is suffering from that sort of the process just say well look leaving their he's doing fine and that could carry him back do you think of voter suppression around in every state in the US but they need to stop voter suppression you know they are dealing with some gerrymander mouse but also the social media companies you know Mark Zuckerberg is still allowing facebook adverts which are completely unfactual which aren't being allowed to run rejected by the TV networks as you know you cannot run this and you know across Europe and we gains and then maybe some defeats that perhaps a little surprising whether it's for the amd or parties in Italy or France were here in the UK going off and I think the key thing is that they need to the Democrats need to shift these hearings I get the the moment there's a need to protect some secrecy and the whistle blowing especially they need to make them always appoint to the economy he points on the high employment figures and the stock market doing well that always doesn't trickle down to how people feel but if that really buckle with why the reputational damage is so bad and they don't seem to have learned a lesson from two thousand sixteen for their own reputation for their own platform order now in America but was gerrymandering the guy who's running against was they returning officer you know she's is setting up this task force to try and stop relied facebook makes billions of dollars from advertising the political advertising it makes money from is nothing to them it's a drop in the bucket to them a trade war then that could be shift the Democrats are the second thing is they have to get a fair election and Stacey Abrams who effectively should be the governor hello and welcome to the briefing coming to you live from studio one hair at Madari House in London. I'm Tom Edwards coming up on today's program Justin Trudeau survives the facebook needs to face up to the fact it is surprising that they haven't Nick Clegg former British deputy prime minister is now on the board of facebook senior person about engaging governments with though I mean I understand lots of people are angry but it reminds me vincent courted the Obama this zoom many most people I know of Maya Nate you know I'm in my thirties you know everyone is just getting you know every day there's another status my facebook deactivated getting ready just on that point from both DC is there a sense then I don't know if no optimism cautious optimism or a measure of I dunno aspiration that maybe he won't win into it changed just in the last year I think it has I think impeachment change you know a lot of that Fox hole that shocked everyone more appeasement and remove fifty cent and the fact that he is under investigation it is public and get them out there every day because that is was gay just that daily revelation and seeing the drop people want to see the class I mean two caveats on that you know he can off the social media companies don't step up that could help trump with his message because he's very good and his team have very good at getting those ads out almost the Democrats will fighting each other then and they're going and okay yeah they might be using instagram or what's that which earned by facebook but people just driven away from facebook now and I think that if so you know there's been a real revival in and if they see the numbers of green cards being bought are rapidly rising than UBT BP in hopes that would make it easier to benefit from clean askings as could be introduced as part of the government's plans to cut emissions to help the country produced net zero greenhouse gas talk about targeting the polluters because governments can only do so much because they are beholden to the politics of population and things like that but footfall tapes they can't avoid the reality that people whatever disinformation that putting out claiming that climate change isn't real I think people are really waking up to a lot more than they ever did leasing companies in the world needs to start sitting up realizing that they need to do more and if people stop buying walgreen cause and that kind of being nudged towards it and there are and is your shells all of those companies will note that this is going to hit you know even if we are going to further flung more risky places to drill for oil while there might not be the market for anyways erasing false narratives let's put back to the UK Briefly no more brexit gentleman I promise drive is zero emission vehicles could be given green number plates trick vehicle registrations Erica with this work if you could drive in the bus lane and all sorts of other advantages would you plump for an electric vehicle maybe you own one already so now you know they are still more expensive that has to be some enticement to buying it because it's a big upfront cost and especially people coming to buying their first cars as well emissions by twenty fifty we've had the military candidate special number plates drivers of electric vehicles get free access to toll lanes that's resulted in increase in we're talking about hitting these targets with inside three decades does actually what Joe Public does does that actually make a difference I mean I think the gardens being running a really good campaign so let's pivot in invest in this technology let's get the prices down on that lets you know I think that it needs it needs the consumer to really drive this and we're seeing already encourage people my one criticism is that green is a horrible color and it kinda ruined the car to kind of you know to kind of have this like green he's shifting the burden or the onus onto the consumer the little guy I mean isn't the real question here that it's a governmental issue to really tackle this new meaning well you know it's why did you know about civil rights movement boycotts and protests of you know use your purse basically and if companies you know the twenty biggest it's something that is I think I would like to join this this club in Rico we talk more about this does it does it matter than anything if okay this is a bit of an inducement on Sunday and purchase actually broke out yesterday as opponent suggested officials were trying to actually help even morales avoid a risky runoff we got some writing majority that he needs to avoid the first runoff since he won a major victory back in two thousand six Morales led with forty six point four percents to thirty seven obvious elections across the weekend What happened well yes we had a sudden halt in the release of presidential election votes actually that lead to confusion twelve thirty four here in London time for a roundup of some of the stories making news across South America we're joined on the line account and parts of the country and the last numbers released before Monday night at she showed Morales topping the eight other candidates but also falling a few percentage point shorter and I don't think it's a great idea and expand on that you know I would give you know like a green jacket through everybody official final count is not due for seven days but it seems likely that he could stay although the State Department actually is accused Bolivian authorities so You know it is such a kind of big outlet I might get that you petro refuel prices and everything that the government needs to do everything possible I think they should go further and there should be business here thank you both very much for joining us your with the briefing here on Monaco twenty four trying to subvert the vote that's been harder to push him out than the other the other leftist leaders in the region really well this is what I wanted to ask you next listener of course he's occur scrappage scheme let off the financial crash UK were older vehicles you get a trade in costs from them to get them just off the road and by more than I think this giving perks like this a lot of industries he's managed to stay on longer and that's not entirely of pure popularity but mainly because he never had any intention of standing down in two thousand longest-serving leader yeah he's been in office for nearly fourteen years and he was the first president of Bolivia to come from its indigenous majority and yeah he he's the last in a group of characters returned leftist governments earlier in in the century Oh I don't know a turning point for an inflection point in that process do you think yeah I mean Morello's is Latin America's is from the region that we've seen from Hugo Chavez of Venezuela he's now dead looted silver in Brazil now in prison peppy Mahyco of Uruguay likely on a small farm somewhere the way you know you can't certain tonight you can't get plastic bags you get a paper bag that this has been store businesses will react rapidly to this kind during the first decade of this century there left US administrations coincided with a huge commodities boom which in the case of Bolivia helped quadrupled the size Kohl's Latin America correspondent listened to Elliott Good morning to you listen to good offering from London let's start plenty to to be talking about but let's start by looking back at of the economy with exports to China receptor and Morales like many of his left or pink colored contemporaries redistributed profits to the poor and nationalized round but more broadly yes we've seen shifts to the right or the middle in the last five years but he might be accompanied by by several other leftist comebacks namely Argentina and sixteen during his third term he lost a national referendum on whether he should be allowed to seek a fourth term that vote was promptly overturned by local court oh you know maybe have a leaf in the corner or something like that but that would be my one very very elegant I sort of a branding perspective yeah and there's no worried just rocketing inflation and debt and this is after the collapse of his attempts to reform the Argentine economy which led to the largest bailout in history from the Internet hunger and the prognosis relief Argentina is fairly grim because neither of the two main presidential contenders in elections on Sunday off office for getting on for a decade and a half or so what is the broader narrative then because there's talk about this sort of pink tide you know that that these it does something to protect the look at the time you know where you can get access you don't know lines for prayer anymore if you buy so success for their left leaning I gather your heading there soon what what's the what's your anticipation for my happen yeah well in the case of Argentina Maurice the interesting thing is his running mate as deputy Christina kitchener who is the highly controversial Peronist and former president who took over from her deceased husband nest this is a longstanding political mass movement that depending on which period peronism sorts of encompasses the extremes doing the right things we shouldn't worry should we yeah I think I mean I think it's a really good idea I think you know the privileges prevails get the you know if you're looking at buying which ruled that limiting the number of times the president could seek office without she'd be an affront to the president's human rights is the pink tide over well he hasn't lost quite yet and there will likely be a second much hope of relief for you have and who's perhaps more likely to win Alburto Fernandez he's a fairly known leftist politician and mcree won a majority for years back was because he inherited a crisis that was very difficult to fix it's worth remembering also that Christina faces numerous charges accre here's the conservative business minded president who was elected hugely high hopes for years ago he seeking reelection against a backdrop really of corruption one way to protect yourself is through parliamentary immunity from prosecution but yes what what what we could see a return of peronism in Argentina and and that's what the majority of the votes counted and Bolivia says Morales would win an outright wipe victory be ended up with at least a ten percentage point advantage the often right has its roots in the legend Evita pit on and Argentina's postwar populists dictatorship so the parents thrived marginalization of poor sectors of society and this has been going on for years in the country Chile was once a huge reform in the region praised let's having already raised prices in January and the protests began with high school students who take public transport daily demonstrating against increases of the region let's look at Chile just briefly because we've seen pretty serious unrest on the streets of the capital this past week just gives a quick reminder of what's will and the two of them created a dynasty of sorts and it was under their administration that many argue well much much of the country's wealth was actually squandered and one of the reasons Chris Economic Model in many ways and how brought about change and prosperity off to the authoritarian regimes that governed until the eighty s and much of Latin America the we'll indeed an unless look to Saris because the polling there suggests well maybe a thing although actually some of the more recent polling suggests it could be rather comfortable going on there so present Pineda who is a conservative who was appointed for a second time he made a comeback last year and he basically tried to increase the price of metrics the illusion of that model is over you've got low wages lack of health care hikes in the cost of university fees a huge overhaul of the pension system that has the city's but this is not considered a simple protests over the rise affairs you know this is actually a broad outpouring really of the continued soon descended into chaos on Friday prompting to declare a state of emergency in in the capital Santiago and that's now been extended to decades on poverty and crisis and so this really is another opportune moment for them once again just briefly listen to dig a bit of a Whistle Title Monetary Fund macrey borrowed a lot of money and that money his government is struggling to pay back and things about millions more have been pushed into to hardship really hurt some of the most vulnerable and this is all made people tired they're fed up and I I suppose it's a common thread grow globally not attributed solely to Latin America will also sending them to the most extreme locations supporting explorers who ventured into the unknown but the world has changed as the twentieth century unfolds exploration pure discovery has given way to expiration as a means to preserve the natural world to make the planet perpetual learn more with the pioneers coming soon the pioneers for the founder of Rolex Hands Villes dove the world was like a living laboratory he began to use it as a testing ground for his watches from the nine hundred fifty a two two left or right leaning governments Elliott always good to speak to you thanks for joining us here on the briefing on Monaco Twenty Four Coming Soon Monaco Rolex bring you wonderful twenty four now there are reports that Taiwan could preparing to build its own fighter jet the self-governed island faces huge difficulties in procurement particularly if such an aircraft because countries are wary about upsetting mainland and fight eject and something which I think is going to be completed in the next few years now I guess it would be expedient this additions as they could be self sufficient is certainly therefore the ambition what does the pressure from China look like Steve is exerted presumably from Beijing is to Taiwan and now only United States of America we'll any weapons to Taiwan at tool and different administrations in the Chinese government in Beijing put every bit of pressure equipped assert on any potential supplier of weapon systems they face I guess often it would be different. US administrations in particular the US just simply rejecting those requests out of hand well the reality is that China joined on the line now by Professor Steve Sang Who's the director of the China Institute at so ask the University of London good evening to you Steve this is a really interesting one therefore the Chinese pressure mostly simply reduce the scale and the sophistication of US weapons being provided is what's happening here in Taiwan that no one will sell them a new fighter jet so they've just decided they may as well build their own well they have been trying to stoop directly but I guess they're sort of more nuanced diplomatic pressure other countries the US as well feel from Beijing what's sort of carry how would you characterize what that pressure the so weapons systems to China and they were simply immediately sanctioned by the Chinese so there's really not much being about in terms of the United States let's head over to Toronto now to get the latest on candidates strengthen data defense capability for a number of years what they are building is involved in advanced trainer jet was it end and nations around Trudeau himself I think many Canadians were thinking that this would be a best case scenario that a minority government for Justin Trudeau forcing him the Chinese government always kick of us but because the United States does not have to bow to the Chinese government and a landslide victory basically across the country that was also a surprise so in many ways he'd made many bowls promises that then had to be put into uh-huh summertime if you if you don't like the color for the Sago for little leaf something exactly something green see we're in the solution interpret is obligations to provide arms for Taiwan or South defense in slighty different way and that's what time it is very keen to become us south last night across the country that they had sort of failed to really convince voters that would do in the liberal government despite this off and we can't just thinking about greenjackets you'd have to have different ones for different seasons would you would parker that Yes yes given the there is a certain amount of disillusionment with Trudeau himself but also the fact that the Conservative Party despite winning the popular vote actually like what they're not actually very subtle when it is not the United States and other countries like France or the Netherlands which had to Taiwan more than being able to stop that stay fascinating such from us away thanks for your time now as a friend Steve Sang joining us hey on the briefing on markle twenty four place now he has I think in fairness to the Liberal Party succeeded in doing a lot of those things over the past four years I think there was a sense however elections we've been discussing it throughout the show already Monaco's Thomas Lewis is standing by I say standing it's bright and early where you are you wrapped up in an ID down as a site for sore eyes oh coming in in many cases I think the fact that are better went so hard back to its conservative roots will be something of a worry to true Joe I think the rise with reemergence I should save the Blockhead Kwara which stage probably the most remarkable electoral comeback of any party take those bridges between the parties I think Canada has been through it sort of political convulsions already I think is fair to say we have an extreme last night they were a party of course that spearheaded the unsuccessful but knife-edge referendum campaign back in the mid ninety s to seek emily unpopular populist premier here on -Tario and I think you know the the populist experiment really is going pretty badly for him so I joints chief to some of the recent history diluted already to their type as being trying to buy F16's from Lockheed Martin in the US what kind of barriers come out Daniel Beach and from our panelists earlier in the program about the fact that you know he's going to have to prove his political and diplomatic smarts in terms of getting things done for and to work with his political rivals would actually be of benefit to the Canadian political process which is undergoing his own pretty dramatic changes all sir the political balance of the country do you think that's how the Canadian media is presenting many of the results that came in overnight in there without really damage the conservatives I think it's a good night though if you look for parties like the Greens for example I believe have the highest number of MP's ever only party as opposed to have won a second term in office Now Tomas give us a sense here about the scale of the challenge ahead for for Trudeau Eh I'm actually wrapped up in the warmest either done you could possibly find Tom. It has been a long and cold nights but not that speech talking about big issues he kept going on about climate Daniel alias I wouldn't be surprised to see Grettenberger pitch up in in Ottawa similarly had to sort of use his political now and and skill to to try and move forward because he's competed the the representatives to do the the WHO has done so well on the political pr I suppose for much of his premiership so far are now that you really need to get into the weeds of politics and bills census I think that will be a challenge for him well just on that point about how he's going to try and recalibrate the discussion it was quite telling I feel instructive perhaps he was in sort of big issues that really ended up sort of you know informing people's decisions on election day I think because it's been a pretty in Trudeau in terms of people's estimations of him down earlier this year she managed to succeed and winners an independent in her writing so you might be right think for many people there isn't one big umbrella issue I think I think people are finding that life on the ground if you like many bits of Canada are posing real challenges over the next four years or so it's almost as interesting Daniel Beach was talking earlier about you know reflections on going right back to one thousand nine hundred when Justin's father but I think when you look at his failure to reform the voting system in his first term things like the environment the government is involved in very controversial pipeline project in western Canada those big more universal themes really have Do you play a big part I think in the way people see him but the way people the politicians Melchoir Year for the Liberal Party it's approval ratings were sliding any way before the scandal at the start of the year involving the Engineering Company the big marquee issue is that going to is the public in a by I think that a lot of the public will buy that actually because I think there were many payroll and they see a man this challenge in your view yeah it's an interesting challenge that I think because if you think back to four years ago when he was that he wants to implement during a second term so things about affordable housing for example is a huge issue for many needs ways of the country search for the other parties too so I think they may well actually be a bit of a galvanizing force when voters hold him so counter the next four years during his second term in office and finally back here in London we're going subterranean the Times has transformed Westminster at the moment and I think to Fanta Justin Trudeau he was very careful to really sort of be very specific about many of the policy points back in Jodie Wilson rebelled as I mentioned there but also of course the black face imagery that were published a couple of weeks ago right in the middle of the campaign green maybe not much but that is really a rather major political step for them and of course Jodie Wilson rebelled who is at the center of a scandal that really dragged datong the you know the the Jigsaw of political politics of politics excuse me in Canada is is fracturing somewhat I think it will be a challenge for Trudeau the work of government Do you think I mean it's tempting to look at those examples and say Oh please please showings but does this represent I don't know a broader shift in in terms of how allies prime minister's verses the media good afternoon to you launch they say contemporary politics it's a jungle out there well it's a jungle in Westminster choir literally station in London as part of a PR campaign to get people to buy the paper. Let's get a little more on this with the political commentator and good friend of more twenty four lance price lawns is also the author of where it is and it's quite a good pr stunt by the Times I suppose it's got people talking about it but I don't think it's an analogy works very well to be to be on drawn at the end just adjusting my my virtual pith helmet as we speak what do we do about that then if it's going to take more than a bit of a PR Nonsense succeed sorry become independent from Canada but I think you know what we're seeing here is how they're force Justin Trudeau traces and do a nice presser a along alongside Promise the trio do you think that that's going to wash the is the public appetite to actually look you know I don climate changes things become bogged down obviously brexit is the is the main reason for that but actually if you take a step back I think that they may not be political giants in I also think you associate jungles with lots of

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The opposition accused the prime minister of trying to bury the we investigate with a bogus prorogation and an empty speech from the throne. Mr. Trudeau begged to differ if we hadn't stepped up as a federal government right across the country in every Province and territory to put money directly in people's pockets from the beginning of this pandemic. What what Canadians have you every step of the way we had Canadians back we are committing now as we approach this second wave to continue to have people's backs in the conservatives would rather vote for an election right now rather than support people who are true. Debating the conservatives over his governments speech from the throne. But while the conservatives have made it clear that they'll oppose the government's plan. The NDP has said it's willing to negotiate jug meet sing as the dog. Of the NDP we reached him in Ottawa. Mr. Singh. Are you willing to force a pandemic election if Justin Trudeau doesn't give you everything you want but I've said from the beginning that money goal has never been throughout this endemic throughout this minority government to find a way to tear down government. My goal has always been to find a way to fight for people to deliver the help they need and right now that remains my goal. I'm using the platform that I have the leverage I have to fight for Canadians to fight for workers. So they have paid sick leave to fight for people who can't go back to work to make sure they get the same amount of support that it's not cut like the Liberals had initially proposed to do and we're proud that so far we've been able to win. Okay. So again for Canadian, right? So you got that you you were able to get them to agree to put that returned it to a $500 instead of $400, which was the income replacement money and but what else you asking for, I mean what this point would make you support the liberal? Well, two things one. We we put out that they shouldn't cut the amount and you're right. So they we've forced them to return it to the full $2,000 a month instead of $1,600. The next piece is the paid-sick-leave wage and we are very close. We're optimistic that we can we can work this out. But I want to make sure that any Canadian worker who falls sick during this pandemic and onwards can have the confidence they can stay at home and know that they will still be able to pay their bills. So the paid-sick-leave piece is what we're working on right now. We're in negotiation and I'm very optimistic that we can come to a resolution where there will be a pay check back in place for Canadian workers. What do you say that you're able to get these two things accomplished within just I mean less than a day of the throne speech is it seemed as though I don't know it was a bit scripted that they thought they waited for you to knowing what you would ask and then you give they give it to you so quickly and then it all seems to be close to being resolved. No. No, we we had been fighting for this for weeks now for months now dead. The paid sick leave is actually something that we had obtained as a commitment from the liberal government. We fought for it months ago in exchange for a vote on a a crucial vote that the Liberals needed our support on so for a crucial vote, we we negotiated the paid-sick-leave. So this was months in the working we needed this to be in place. So we've been fighting and saying it's not enough that you committed to it. We needed in place and then I was up until the last hour. They were committed to cutting the help from 2000 to $1,600. And we said that is wrong in a second wave when people might be losing their jobs again, there might be locked down the Canadians that cannot go back to work those in tourism in service sectors and Hospitality who simply don't have a job to return to we cannot cut the support they receive so those are two vital things wage agency things and we're really proud of the work that we put into making sure the government did not go down the wrong path of cutting the help we forced him to keep the help and to commit to what they had promised to do months ago. Yep. You two things the liberal government knew that we wanted for months. I don't know why it took them so long but we stayed strong and fought till the end to make sure these two really important components of a response. It takes care of people, please write what they wanted to give you something and maybe they held back until we got to this point. I'm just wondering if you couldn't have asked for more given the fact that conservatives and the Bloc quebecois are playing Hardball. They said that they're not going to support this maybe they're doing that because they know that you're going to Well, I don't know why the Block in the in the conservatives are feeling every step of the way to actually win and fight for Canadians to get something done for people. I don't know why they're not taking the opportunity to do that. But I can tell you for sure throughout the pandemic every step of the way when people were excluded we fought for them students were completely ignored. We fought to bring in a c e s b which was not on the tables at all. The Liberals had not considered it off. We fought to bring in serve in the first place initially liberals were talking about changing and we said no we need direct financial support to all Canadians. They initially started a thousand we fought to make it mm the wage subsidy. They had put openly at 10% We set it has to be at least 75% So that workers can still be connected to those jobs every step of the way. We've been fighting to make sure people get help and there's still much more to do and and this is the point in it because I mean the Liberals need you to in order to pass this and to avoid an election which seems nobody really wants right. Now. You have a lot of Leverage. It seems you have a lot of Leverage. Are you really? Um, I mean isn't there more you could push for your agenda given the strength of your position right now? Well, we're the fourth party and I've just listed a pretty massive amount of support that we were able to win over the past couple of months. I would challenge anyone to come up with another minority German. We're in recent history. This many victories are one four people. So we're going to continue to do that. I I've been saying from beginning that I'm worried about people and what they're going through Thursday. I know that there's a lot of uncertainty and insecurity and so every step of the way we're trying to find what is it? What is something that will help people right now immediately dealing with this crisis and so far we fought for real these two components that the amount of money to remain the same and the paid-sick-leave and there'll be more how next things that we think about our our testing and seniors and long-term care. I think the practice should be removed there should never be profit. And as a question when it comes to the care of seniors, we know that a lot of families can't go back to work particularly women. So childcare is really fundamental and priority. Peace for us to fight for and and we know that moving forward the recovery cannot be something that everyday people work working class people have to pay for but those who profited off depending should be the ones wage pay for the recovery. So those are some of the priorities that we have moving forward, but there are certain emergencies like that because we're just the last thing you said you're talking you mentioned this last night as well. You talking about wealth wealth tax. I mean, what's a good? What is it? What are the chances that the Liberals would ever accept a wealth text. Well, I mean there are unable to even say the words in the throne speech. They say taxing extreme wealth inequality. I don't know how old taxes inequality but I certainly know how we can tax. Well extreme wealth and we proposed that those who have fortunes of over twenty million should be paying their fair share. We should close the loopholes that allow companies to make profits and off but not pay any taxes in Canada. And we also need to end the scenario where you've got companies like Amazon and Netflix will meet massive profits during this pandemic that also virtually pay no profit wage. No taxes here despite making profits here. There's a lot that we can do to raise revenue. It should not fall on every day families to pay for this pandemic right? But again, it just just briefly the closest. So I mean you walk in position to actually push for a lot of this including things that there were now promised again, I guess the national Child Care Program pharmacare urine into position that you could you could get a fair bit of the n d. And on the books couldn't you? Well, we're we're trying our best to to fight for Canadians. And and for me the priority is right. Now we know two days from now people are going to be faced with their serve ending so that was an emerging and that's a priority and there's lots of people that are still working while they're sick and append emack. So those are two really emergency immediate needs and we're going to continue to fight for the immediate needs of Canadians as well as a longer-term planning in terms of recovery. We will leave it. There was just saying thank you. Thank you very much drug meeting is the leader of the NDP. We reached him in Ottawa. Right now we're being told over and over again about the importance of wearing masks. But for Joshua Wong wearing a mask could mean prison time today. The Hong Kong pro-democracy activists was arrested and charged with taking part in an unauthorized assembly last October just after a law Banning masks during protests came into effect. He was also charged with violating the mask law after he was released on bail. Mr. Wang spoke with the Hong Kong Free Press even facing the maximum penalties of five years in jail related unauthorized assembly and 1 years in jail of wearing a mask. Probably on the empty Maslow as no regret at all, because the first can't defeat us make us even strong determination. And even I might be a bit hired under the cross-examination and also Thursday, we don't have an interview inside the police station being questioned by those police sergeant and officers. I still realize that that's my responsibility Duty admission. Let the voice of Hong Kong Being hurt and that's the reason for me continue the fight and I realized there's no reason for us to give up pro-democracy activists Joshua Wong speaking today after he was released on bail off in law is a fellow pro-democracy activists who led the umbrella movement alongside. Mr. Wang, but after the new National Security Law was enacted in July Mister La fled to London. That's where we reached him today about Nathan. First of all, what do you make of these charges against Joshua Wong who we just heard they're saying that he has no regrets. He was arrested for wearing a mask. Yeah. It's definitely a dog person and he's the most tenacious person I've ever met and regarding to the case. It was so observed that they charge him for an unauthorized Emily and also wearing a message regarding an event last year and it's obvious and warning signal from the government saying that while we can arrest you and charged you whenever you want whenever the authority wants dead. With the most upsets charge he was also charged with knowingly taking part in an unauthorized assembly. Is that right? Yes. Yes. This is trash the government boys used to prosecute a political dissidents and he wasn't alone another activist who who was also charged with that. Can you tell us about him? Yeah. He's a democratic veteran and has been involved in social movement for that cakes and he is recently downloaded with a cancer. So he is actually fighting wage is lives in the hospital and his now suddenly being arrested again because if he took part in a demonstration last year you pointing out these jobs, they're being arrested both men were arrested for things that happened some time ago. Why do you think there are now pursuing Joshua and Coosa you for things that happened last year wage? So I think specifically for Joshua under the national security law. Joshua is in grave danger as we all know, there's always been the target of the governments and by arresting him and charging once more. It sends a strong signal to Joshua that basically telling jokes are not to do anything else. Otherwise, we will arrest you under the National Security Law wage is much more Draconian and the maximum penalty will be less on sentencing. I think that kind of like intimidation is clear speaking the National Security Law. This is this is Draconian legislation that that many are very concerned about in Hong Kong but he wasn't charged under that National Security Law was he yeah, he was not about I think it's not yet found. The government is definitely having some plans on it it just a matter of time when the government think is politically suitable to do it. Do we know of of how many people who is being charged under that law? What are the consequences so far of that legislation? Yeah more than thirty people arrested under the law and because just the legal procedure has not finished yet. So we we still haven't seen any result of that but there are people being arrested just because they post a post on social media wage or the transfer is Logan or they have some stickers or flats that have the movements Cogan song. So it's clearly targeting freedom of expression and peaceful wage families rather than what the government has been saying the violent protests. There are three, I guess the most recognized of the pro-democracy activists in Hong Kong. Are you and I've also Joshua Wong who has been arrested. The other one is Agnes chow, and she has been charged under the new law hasn't she? Yes. Yep. She was arrested along side with Jimmy like a couple weeks ago and we were all shocked by by the arrest because that was so obvious political mood and thought it was definitely time consuming calculus and angles has not been really commenting on sensitive political issue since the law was in place. So I definitely a trauma patients to her. She possibly faces a lifetime imprisonment doesn't she Yes, and it really makes us so worried but she's a brave active person. I believe that she could calmly deal with all the way. Sure do you think the storm will pass it seems that what China is doing that with the Communist party is doing is is is working from its point of view because it has people in jail. It has people afraid it has you not even living in the country anymore fearing that you might be subjected to these same laws. So that is is is trying to actually winning in this regard. Well China actually risk a lot to implement the National Security Law as we have seen off the massive backlash of his actions and and the statement supporting Hong Kong from all the other countries. So I think that is actually a desperate move from the from from the government and even though it could like sign of people in short-term that kind of high pressure situation is not sustainable and there's a really much that though. You can do given that well, you're the I guess one of the last few people the the leadership that is not facing these kinds of charges. They they want to charge you and but you're in in Exile is there much that you can do actually to try and keep this momentum going and Hong Kong charged is not the only way to contribute to the movement. Will understand that that is important International front of the movement, which we need to Garner more support from the democracies. So for me, my my duty is to be the voice of off because under the National Security Law. There are many things that you cannot speak on the ground because the government could trauma cases on you in regards to what you have spoken, but for me, I am free from the threats of National Security Law, and I could speak all the things freely and to build that consensus in the restaurant democracies of going out with the human rights violations in China. So I think my role that they're still certain things. I could even though. I'm not in Hong Kong Nathan. We will leave it there and we'll keep in touch and we'll appreciate you speaking with us today. Thank you. Thank you so much, bye-bye. Make some law is a pro-democracy activists who fled Hong Kong in July. We reached him in London. You couldn't say he died since he never existed. But Uncle Ben of Uncle Ben's rice is no longer with us the company that makes the brand said it will drop the name and logo because of its racist connotations. Now, the rice will be sold simply as Ben's original and now it has a new competitor Uncle peas rice. The new brand was created by Percy Miller a New Orleans entrepreneur better known as the rapper and producer Master P. We reached him in Los Angeles Master P. First of all, what do you make of the departure of Uncle Ben? Well, it was shocking and I think that it was a long time coming when we think of Uncle Ben. We think of the mockery for African American wage, which we all spent a lot of money into that brand in their private thinking that it was African-American owned the thinking that you know, it was us it was our Culture Club grandparents made me buy that product cuz when they seen black faces on that it connected to us as a culture. And what did that image that this picture Uncle been a black man with white hair wearing the bow tie. What does he represent? Well what we understand now, he's a model and he signed a lifetime contract for $50 and what it represents now to us is when you look at the the black lives matter movement is Injustice. It's not nothing that's doing nothing to help our cultural Community out people but I take my head off to Quaker Oats for dead taking it off the shelf, but you know, I'm kind of puzzled what's going on with it. Now the image itself. It's evokes the idea of servitude. Doesn't it that this is a man who is is serving others with his wearing the bow tie and he's not the only model of that nature or the images. The other one is Aunt Jemima who is also now our understand is off to come off the packaging and I guess that that's a stereotype of I guess the Mammy a black woman who would serve the her white Masters. How do you think why do you think that's been around for so long? Well, like I said, I mean, it's African-Americans you walk in the store. It's just exciting to see that it's somebody look like you on a package. So imagine if it had real private that can connect to people that we can give back to the culture. We could educate and feed our families off of this page in his brand and that's the thing that's missing the diversity putting package full Goods on the shelves being able to connect to people that look like us economically for us to change the Injustice. Then we have to be able to put money back in a community off of these products and Brands and you're not just talking through your hat and that one you've actually gone the distance and created alternative products to Uncle Ben's and Aunt Jemima's and that's products. That would actually read Resent you think that the black community? Yeah. Well it represent the African American community in all Community cuz I'm just saying that diversity. We just need something to age in these grocery stores to say that we can Empower our culture now community and that's what I've done. I've created a brand Uncle P brand what we have the rice the pancake syrup. We came out meal we have grids. We have noodles we have cereal we are creating a brand that's giving our people opportunities giving our people jobs. We able to put money back into the community the more we make the more we give you know, it's a real person that come from the struggle and pain that understand economic empowerment that want to help the Next Generation off and I just think that this is so important for us as a culture. They made billions of dollars off of us imagine. You got real people real people that care about the community and the culture and that's investing back into the community and the Culture Club just tells a bit more about how you how your business will benefit to black community. Yes. Well give him back to the elderly cuz people forget about the elders making show that they have shelled to make sure the exact closing the you educate in the U the more we make the more we give scholarship programs put money back in the community buildings safe havens for these kids off unity and that's what Uncle P product is about PG Foods building Productions building warehouses building factories with people that look like us giving jobs being a verse for the community saying that look what we are doing with not just talking about it. We actually doing it. Now your Instagram says when we owned the product we control our future do you think that others will pick up on this that you'll see other products like yours that will be on the shelves? Yes. So for me, we just a spark plug we want thousands of African American Latinos Menards to own a product and say that we created this this controllers and that's how we control our future this how we able to send our kids to college and not send them to prison this how we save our community we buy off blocks back with not burning them down. This is this is the start that all start with ownership it all start with ownership, which do you look at even the top fortune five hundred companies wage is only two African American. CEOs so we have to change that narrative and this is how we start because if we don't own the company, how can we control it narrative to make a change in our community wage at least brutality equality. It's it's it's all economics. I don't want this to stop at us. I want to create thousands of Brands. So where did you see the diversity in these stores? And I tell anybody that's coming up with product no ideas of whack ideal believing it master your product and make sure you have good taste thousand private and you can't change the game and we we will change the game together. This is a movement when you talk about the African American culture that we're taking over. The shelving space and replacing it with real African American-owned product Master P. It's really good to talk to you. Thank you. Thank you, bye-bye. Master P also known as Percy Miller is a rapper and entrepreneur. He was in Los Angeles. You can find that interview on our website cbc.ca each month. Hi, I'm Michelle Shephard host of uncover sharmini from CBC podcasts in nineteen. Ninety nine fifteen year-old sharmini and on devel disappeared on her way to a job that police believed in exist wage for months later. Her remains were found in a wooded Ravine. 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Tom mountainy is a salmon fishermen who works for petuna aquaculture. He's been helping Rescuers lug healthy Wales back out to see all week. He found Evan Port Australia time. I know you're about to head out on the water again today. What do you expect to see out there? I think when we get out there this morning, we're going to find out probably hoping for that 20 more miles to say, I think the total was was 88 up until last night that we've managed to get back. You been doing this for days alone now, so what does it feel like in terms of what you've accomplished? It's been a fun experience pretty I think pretty rewarding. I mean, yeah, it's been a fairly natural event. We've just yep. What we can to save as many of these whales as we can get really big team on the ground. I think the morale is actually quite High given how how sad whole event is just seeing, you know, quite a quite a decent amount of Wales actually swimming fingered. Can you just describe what the strategy has been? What do you how do you go about rescuing the whales majority of the wild we tried to say that then sort of up on a sandbank about 3,000 miles from from the ocean up inside the harbor and were able to use use the jet boats that we have from the fish farms to sort of straddle the the whales off in the South we prepared all the ground crew on while map just sort of gently guided me out to sea and release them and as you're doing that how much contact you have with the animals? Yeah quite a bit of money, especially if y'all began it's taking probably about 12 or more people for each while to prepare them in these things. And then the guys on the boat. Are we spending quite a bit of time to to gently wage? Secure them to the side and they're trying to take two at a time. So I want an excited boat. So yeah, it's quite a bit of contact and it takes about half an hour each trip. They spend a bit of time with the whales and try and keep them calm. And now am having the same thing pretty good and it just for people who have never seen one what these are pilot. Whales can you just tell us how large they are all the Wilds the big ones are young ladies and over about three tons of carbs are quite small. So probably you imagine like a fairly small dolphin. So those those cars were actually able to lift onto the boat down and and then take them other out at the same time and release them together, which has been a pretty good strategy. I think you've been able to identify the Cavs of the mothers you be able to find them together and and cuz because they you can't separate them right that would that would be counterproductive they try to get back. So how are you managing that when it's a mother and her baby usually the the babies just just basically swimming wage. Around the mother. So the mothers stranded on the sandbank, but there's still enough water for the car to swim. So the the mother is still being alive, but unable to really move that you can hear them communicating and yeah, obviously the the stress but at the same time we can we can sort of get the the mother in the in the swing get them to the boat and the captain going it'll just hang around and then we the 12 or more people we can we can try and grab that. Get it off in the boat and then release them will shine asleep. Yeah, let's see you mentioned that there are remarkably calm and other people who have been involved in this kind of whale rescue bots have remarked that it's it seems that the whales know what you're trying to do. Do you have that impression? I think so like being such a you know, big and very strong animal you see when they are struggling their lifestyles are extremely strong and they can move extremely quick but when you've got them, you know around people and trying to move them. They they're really quite calm. I mean, they're moving a little bit but they're not they're not really coughing. Much danger to pay for it just yet remarkably can't which is is making it a lot easier than it would be so struggling so you're having people who are who are experts who are helping you with this, but for the most part there are those who are involved in this whale rescue are they volunteers? I think the majority of volunteers there's the the experts are certainly coordinating it and then there's three fish farm operators off the harbor and they've they've all put in including myself from proper. Tuna. We've got the the jet boats and we all obviously quite proficient at the rigging and dealing with the same. So that's what we're quite well with actually transporting the oils everyone sort of after moving as he really got quite a bit of a system in place and got pretty proficient at it. And when do you get the wheels on the sides of wage and you're taking them back out especially with the babies kept them out to see what's it like when you release them? Yeah, like I saw the hang around the boat for the 30 or more seconds, and then then there's other boats. Yep. Smoking sort of hurting them and trying to keep them together and and not let them come back in obviously with so much distress in the harbor and so much noise that they're probably still calling out to those those whales so they attempted to come back out of the the ID. I we didn't see any get ready to go as far as I know they were tagged so we will know a girl's end back up on the beach but to my knowledge they've all gone out the city and Worcester got success because there's always that issue isn't there that they try to go back in because they the ones that have been left behind the ones who are possibly dead. They have contracts they they they returned to them right? That's that's one of the problems with trying to save whales in this way. Yeah, that's right. I think geographically where the whales are and we're taking wage is quite a distance. So they go out through its called hell's Gates and Cory hardrict the narrow passage that they've actually made it through to get beached. So we're returning them back out through there is actually quite a bit of suck. Upload current as well and out around a fairly Rocky outcrop, which you know, I'm not not too sure but maybe enough to sort of break that communication and and maybe that's what's helping us as well. It's been recorded not being reported as the possibly the largest whale stranding that anyone's ever seen. Have you ever seen anything like this yourself? Not definitely not. I mean, I think I think we have ten years ago in in the same place. There was a Amana one which might have been fifty or so animals heard by a New Zealand a few years ago, which was two hundred or more. But yeah, this is this scale sort of Buzz or later weights. And when do you have to turn to that gruesome and sign a task of dealing with those who are dead plants sort of been put together as we speak and I think they it's one of those things where they need to need to start sooner rather than later I think wage while while it's a relatively fresh it makes it will make life a lot easier. I know that it's early in the morning there in Australia and you're heading out to sea to do that work and Tom I'm glad you had time to practice this morning. Thank you. No worries at all. Thanks for having me by by Tom Milne is a salmon fishermen with petunia aquaculture. He's been helping with the pilot whale rescue operation on the west coast of Tasmania this week. He was in devonport, Australia. Parliament resumed today for the first full day since the death of John Turner MPS took the opportunity to offer a few words in celebration of the former liberal prime minister and the conservatives weren't just paying respect to a performer political opponent Deputy leader Candice Bergen explained that the old Progressive conservatives owed Mister Turner a debt. It seems that he saved the life of one of their leaders. We have a tendency moments like this to turn men into monuments and with the prime minister with the past as an Olympian athlete and a Rhodes scholar that would be very easy to do but to Canadians who shared their stories this week of a man who remembered their names years after first meeting them of a politician who inspired them to get off the couch of an adversary with without a shred of malebolge his heart the John Turner who comes through is one who always had more interest in being a person than he ever had in being a portrait. As The Story Goes and this is a very interesting one and one when I first heard Mister speaker, I almost quite well I did question. Is this actually true and when I tell you this story for those of you who haven't heard it, I thought you're going to share my my awe in this story. So as The Story Goes The Young liberal MP John Turner and his wife were vacationing in Barbados while on the beach one morning, his wife noticed a man out for a swim who appeared to be in trouble. The surf was rough that day. There was a strong undertow and the elderly man was not a strong swimmer Mr. Turner's wife anxiously allergic her husband to the situation the young MP who was a competitive swimmer in his university days without hesitation plunged into the surf grass the man in a life-saving hold he struggled against the undertow and finally made it back to shore once on the beach Mister Turner set out to give the man mouth-to-mouth resuscitation. When the when the the resuscitated gentleman came to his senses who was the person that Mr. Turner had saved none other than Progressive conservative leader and former prime minister and the then off of the opposition John diefenbaker. Isn't that unbelievable? It's one thing running into a colleague on a holiday. It's one thing running into an opposition colleague on a holiday. It's another thing back in that individual's life. But what what an amazing story and what a wonderful story I was conservative Deputy leader Candice Bergen paying tribute to the late liberal prime minister John Turner today in the House of Commons. A New York man. Wanted to give the middle finger to his local Town authorities, but he did so by erecting another kind of rude appendage in his front yard for all to see and now his penile protest. He landed him in court. We reached Jamie gagne in Wilton New York, Jamie. First of all, what inspired you to erect this symbol of protest election. My wife's I am I had can some of Information Act requests back in the town was tired detailed what was going on with my life building permit cuz they were refusing to talk to me. This is a building permit. If you were trying to get a shed built and you found out that you couldn't they were saying you had didn't have the right permits, right? Yeah. I was getting a little frustrated and wanted to draw their attention and Kind of brute force a conversation. So your way of communicating with them was too too. Well install a giant penis on your front lawn. Is that right? That's correct. It was about seven feet tall i-card it with a chainsaw. Okay, so I'm seeing images it's hard to get images because the other news media are sort of blocking it out. But from what I've seen a it's a has a lot of detail in it that you did this with a chainsaw. Yep with chainsaw was my first chainsaw carving actually and I've always been an artist at heart so I came after Okay. So this this is radio, so maybe you could describe your wouldn't penis for us. It's 73,000. It's got a little bit of veins the chip is very well-shaped. I don't know. It's it's very anatomically, correct in which direction and what is it pointing? I mean birth Has a particular trajectory doesn't it? So Not only was I having problems with the town itself, but I was the neighborhood that had recently moved in across the street was making a lot of complaints about what basically reporting every activity that I was doing to the town and he's got a camera set-up pointed at my house and and it was it was getting really irritating. So I pointed it directly at his front door to kind of send a message to stop being a jerk. How did The Neighbourhood response most of the neighbors actually thought it was hilarious. I never had traffic slowed down to such a crawl in front of my house before everybody was just stopping and turning around taking pictures. A lot of people just like with hilarious. It just took one person to file a complaint with the The police before they took action against me. Okay, what happened with the police showed up the first day it was a State Trooper stop by and he just kind of stopped by to check it out. He I asked him if there was any problem and you said well not not at the moment everything, you know, maybe if somebody files a complaint there could be but I did mention that if it was not erect it would have been part but erect penis is not part, but we're not that drunk sense to me. So but I did think it was interesting that you mentioned it and he knew so much about penis part. But it was about nine days later after I directed The Statue but Tuesday through first came to my house at 8 in the morning and they told me that to age is going to have to happen one the statue have to come down and to I had to go to the station with them to get processed and arrested actually got books in handcuffs and brought down to the station. So you got cuffed put in the in the what were you charged with penal code violation of displaying of pornographic material? Penalizing penal. Yes. Yes p e n a l as in yeah, so what what kind of a charge that what could be the consequences of that? It's a misdemeanor criminal charge and I could be spacing one year in jail or $1,000 fine. Have you had a day in court yet? So I finally had my first court appearance Tuesday and it's looking like everything is going it's too early to tell but it's looking like it's going to get dismissed. My lawyer is took that the law doesn't even apply that is this is very clearly First Amendment case Christmas First Amendment protected conduct of freedom of speech and free expression. So it should get thrown out. It's looking like so creating a giant penis and putting it in your front yard. Whether it's you wrecked or not is still considered to be a matter of free expression in the United States. That's correct. Yes, you said okay, the two things happened that you got arrested and that you were supposed to take the penis down. Where is the penis now. I have a set it back up in the back yard. I had a lot of fans stopping by and asking about it wanting to see it. So I put it back up my backyard. It's not currently visible from the road, And if you win will you put it back up front? Absolutely and point it pointed at the same neighbor. I may not pointed up that neighbor or anything anymore. My biggest quality. I was really with the town really. I just I just want to finish building my workshop. This is my primary goal. So that's that's what I'm shooting for. But if I went in court, I will put it back up and once my workshop wage Complete I will either auction it off or perhaps rent it to other disgruntled residents who have shown interest in borrowing it. They feel they're right. I want to make a point. Yep. It works pretty well Jamie. It's good to talk to you. Thanks. Thank you, bye-bye. 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Episode 011 - The 2019 Federal NDP Platform

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Episode 011 - The 2019 Federal NDP Platform

"Icicles well. I see yes. I shouldn't have said ice whatever internal combustion engine. I c e okay i know why are you talking. Eh but i like these bills loan. Welcome back to putin politics. Canadian issues served choose kurds adam. My name is mike and today we're going to talk about the n. P. platform for the two thousand nineteen election why because promise made promise kept woo alright all right before we get there on arcadian for canadians for tax fairness episode. I made a mention about doing something for patron. The first thing that i figured we're gonna do with that platform was <hes> when you get if you're getting these episodes on itunes on spotify or or through through soundcloud or our website or whatever are obviously i have to edit some stuff because there's a lot of <hes> and <hes> and sometimes we sound like justin trudeau as a result so i i figured we would use the patriots platform trudeau really well. I mean that's what everybody complains about him about water box dropbox sort of thing right water bottle drink box sorta thing whatever anyways however there's material that gets cut out that some people might think is dull. Some people might think is interesting. I'm in putting the full. The full unedited episodes up on patriots now. Unfortunately i didn't start that way so it only starts from episode nine which which is the canadians for tax fairness but every episode from that point i will keep a master copy on edited and uploaded the patriot. It'll be available to any patriot on patrons on there. You don't have to donate much. What if you can a dollar a month two dollars a month five dollars a month. Whatever if you want access to the unedited uncut podcast kinda kinda like south park bigger longer and uncut you can find it on our patriot page which is patriotic dot com forward slash putin politics. Hi pedro p. a. t. r. e. n. Yeah i didn't think i didn't think ahead a when i when i was editing episodes the the first eight episodes i was like i just wanna cut these things and then i'm like wait. Wait a minute. People might want to hear some of the stuff that we that we talked about that doesn't end up in the final episode because there are there are certain topics and things like that that ended up getting cut out of episodes so i'm like well. Some people might want to hear about that. Stuff not listen. We never go off topic and no-one flubs and i don't mumble symbol. We're good. Yes exactly so if you wanna prove wrong. Give us some money going patriot and listened to the unedited uncut episodes now that housekeeping's done the platform he <hes> voted in dp in two thousand eleven in the federal election and and i'm trying to think that i vote and i honestly don't remember if i voted m._v._p. Or if i voted green in the two thousand eighteen provincial election i know i didn't vote p._c. And i know i didn't vote liberal. I feel look. I voted green but i honestly don't remember so but i have supported the m._v._p. In the past but very rarely this platform document is there's one hundred and nine pages now. It's not one hundred and nine pages of words because there are pictures and the table of contents and this and that and the other thing but i don't know i went i i i read one hundred and nine pages that you don't have to yeah. He's a break man. I don't plan on ever doing it. I mean this may. Maybe this is the problem. I have with political plan political platform documents as a whole is the fact that there's a lot of there's a lot of words words and not a lotta substance. I guess is the problem that i have with them but i feel like to be an informed voter. I should take the time to read them. They took time to make them. I should take the time to read them so that i choose the party that i am most aligned with when the election actually comes <hes> the the the theoretically will do what they say yeah yeah exactly this unfortunately while while there's ideas in their platform from that i like. I'm worried about how they figure. They're going to pay for it. I'm worried about how much of it they can actually implement and and well. I mean i honestly i'm certainly one of those people. That doesn't feel like the m._v._p. Will form federal government that will form the federal government went for a long time if at all but i suppose at the same time if there's a minority and if there are going to potentially probably minority they could try and get some of their platform ideas through as a result of that so i feel like that's where it's important to know at least some of the stuff that's in their platform because some of it could get enacted in or as a part of them being that bargaining chip. Oh liberals want our support then <hes> you know they're going to have to put through whatever whatever whatever this part of our what this part of our platform you know you're going to have to include that it whenever bill you're you're gonna pass and we'll support it of course in the last few days. Jagmeet singh came out and basically said that he would not prop up a conservative minority so he played his card and i sincerely you know two months out from the election. Do you know it it is what is let's find out. What's going to happen and then go from there. It'd be nice. I rather see summary of the report anyway. Because certain things you can just skip right right and i like i wrote notes about pretty much. Everything going to skip a lot of it but the first thing and probably the most important thing is far. What is pharma care. What do you think pharma's here is. Mike free pharmacy for people right so right. Now we have free healthcare quote unquote. I mean i it's not entirely entirely free because obviously there are certain services that we pay for that. We have private insurance for part of that is prescription drugs. <hes> you know dental is one of those things we have to pay for out of pocket going to chiropractor going to psychologists. You know there's certain services that we do pay out of pocket for but the benefits through work than you might have coverage so far. Ah the m._v._p.'s pharma care is essentially making prescription medicine free or covered the same way that going to your family doctor or we're going to the hospital is covered. I like the idea of government buying prescription drugs on wholesale and using their buying power as opposed to waiting until i need it because then he can charge any price you want to which is a problem they have in the u._s. And if the government is going to subsidize it if you can make it caught cost-effective fine but that's hard to do right i think one of the numbers on it by any means yeah they're they're expecting an annual investment of ten and billion dollars and when when it was mentioned in the <hes> the canadians for tax fairness episode their estimate i think somewhere between ten and fifteen billion a year as well well yeah so it's fine if they attend billion and they're on the underside. Get it why they'd say that's fine too. I guess to put that into perspective as as a whole on the federal budget right now right now federal revenues or about three hundred twenty billion dollars per year so we're talking king around three percent so three percent of the federal government's budget would go towards paying for national pharma care yeah. It's not enormous. It's not it's doable. It's just like i said it's. You're going to have a cost somewhere else right be overall g._d._p. If they're gonna taxes yeah well and there's there's there's. There's some tax increases in here. Obviously help cover it. I'm going to get to that probably closer to the end because it was close to the end of the document. That was one of the things while reading through i kept i kept like when are we going to get to the part where they say how they're going to pay for all of this stuff and it was pretty much at the back of the document. Oh by the way we're going to do this that and the other thing. Oh that's how you're gonna pay for it. Okay all all right now now that you've been also somewhat vague about that great because the m._v._p. Is very much a pro worker pro union <hes> they are. I would say they're pro. Small business as well based on some of the stuff i was reading in in in the platform kind of what they're hoping is that this is going to save is going to save a lot of people money as well because let's say for a company that offers its employees benefits. The benefits plans like with pharma care. The benefits plans wouldn't have to cover prescription drugs anymore which which can be an expensive part of most benefits plans and also gives employers more of a bargaining tool so if you're a small business. Can you compete beating in somebody who's offering full drug plants like that's a consideration i do remember taking a job because it had full benefits not because it paid well but because i need the benefit it is a consideration that people look into and if you don't have to have a consideration well that makes a big difference that gives a small businesses more of a tool to use news well any any business that doesn't it's a savings for them. A big six to <hes> it is it is a savings like tax credit. We have in a way yup. Well yeah businesses that we're doing the right thing in the first place if you aren't doing the right thing in the first place you don't get the tax credit why somebody for you either right yeah. Don't cry me river because you're not off your employee benefits and somebody else gets reduction. There's their stuff as a result right who well then. I mean if they have if they have a reduction in their expenses. Yeah their taxes are gonna go up but it's not like it's one hundred it's not like tax. Rates are one hundred percent right like as the employer. If i've got ten employees in every year the <hes> you know the cost to offer prescription. Coverage under the benefits is say six hundred dollars a year per employee. That's six thousand dollars. Six thousand dollars turns around and goes to the government. If your profit goes up by six grand and your <hes> an essay an incorporated business <hes> the taxes you're gonna pay on that is less than a thousand bucks on that additional profit. No i'm just like you'll just be more money for the businesses to use general. I think it's use it in in other ways. Yes so yeah. It's a tax break for corporations in a way in a way yes affordable housing so apparently they they guarantee five hundred thousand units of quality affordable housing built over the next ten years. I don't know how do you guarantee affordable housing in but you're not guaranteed and location right. That's true so yeah sure if you make them all in new brunswick where housing so low it isn't it funny yeah okay but what about in vancouver where the problem is or downtown toronto or any other place that has a massive growth so part of what i guess maybe they're hoping to stave off some of that issue is introducing a fifteen percent foreign buyers tax for people who are not canadian citizens and not <hes> permanent resident so if you don't if you're not a citizen or don't have permanent resident status fifteen percent tax to to buy a house yeah i think it should be higher especially certain location especially especially vancouver brutal of well vancouver is so much of it has to do with with crime and money laundering and such anyways if your money laundering you're. You're not gonna to get that person but they'll get. They'll get a straw man to do it. Have you can discourage it right and now as people say discouraging foreign investment yeah you discouraging foreign investment in presidential though i don't i like foreign investment. I don't like foreign investment residential. Yeah no absolutely foreign investment in commercial sal large commercial property or something like that. That's not a problem. It's not a problem at all same an like an industrial industrial complex. I mean some people have an issue or art. Chinese companies are coming in and buying canadian companies and it's like well yes to have a problem with that. Yes at the same time. Let's say if that canadian company was was facing financial struggles and potentially was going to go bankrupt or something like that well. It's like if someone if canadian companies not willing to come in and say bailout bailout or by that canadian company that's failing. Somebody should be allowed to do it yeah. Do i think this attack should be on it. The could be attacked but my biggest concern is the residential 'cause you. Everyone should be aware that <hes> that's a good way to quickly increase pricing right right drastically that can make certain places on affordable for people post-secondary education capping and reducing tuitions and then eventually intially building towards adding post secondary education as part of the public education system and essentially getting to the point where there would be no tuition. There shouldn't be tuition anyway. It's it's an absolute joke. That's not like tuition. Tuition fees are going up. Why if you want to have an educated society make it free. I i would have a better education right now. It was free. The only thing stopping means money think about that for a second. It's not a desire is not an ability. It's money so money's my barrier then you're making it an income level barrier so if i had more money yeah i could go to get my whatever but right now. I can't do it right because i don't have the money to put into getting education. I've looked at going back three times and it is because i didn't come. I grew up in a family that had a lot of money right and and you know and you you kind of have both of us. Were both parents. You know we kind of have to look forward and see. I mean our kids if they're gonna go do any sort of post secondary secondary education as it stands right now. It's going to be even more expensive for them. If things continue the way they're going and kind of have to look at it like you know. How are we if we can't can't if we can't pay for proper post education for ourselves. How are we going to do that for our kids. You know that's why north countries have such higher educations because they put the money where their mouth is right although we just go rhino and his built taller buildings that'd be dying. I remember for one that's right. We're we're gonna. We're gonna we're gonna. We're gonna build the schools twice as tall adjustments to supplement insurance so right now to qualify for you. Eh when you get laid off from work or something like that you have to have six hundred hours so they want to reduce it to three hundred sixty hours. No what i've seen tune. Suni will take advantage of the is it. Is it okay if they had a play plan in place to take advantage of a repeat offender the people that work seasonally basically basically to take advantage of right. You're giving them three hundred sixty hours now and take advantage of young now than six yeah so they don't they don't even necessarily have to put in as many as well as many hours in order to and the other the other part to this as well is so i think right now income replacement rate with is fifty percent if i'm not mistaken and it has a cap and they're talking about increasing the replacement rate to sixty percent and guarantee a minimum payout of twelve hundred dollars a month yeah like you're you're just you're asking for abuse and you're asking employers to use it to right. You're asking players to do more seasonal work because who wouldn't want that gig. I have to work for for how many months and then i get a seasonal insurance. I'd rather see if they can if they can better police it yet. But how do you better police elect their shifts and so many problems with it right so no six hundred seems fine <hes> some of the other some of the other changes they mentioned about has to do with parental leave where her <hes> like one of the options they have in there is is <hes> you have the choice to say make your parental leave shorter and as a result increase how much she received with each payment so let's say like <hes> instead of taking the twelve months you take six months and get paid the same amount as you would if you if you took twelve months or even further extended <hes> parental leave when you have like twin's triplets or or anything like that <hes> sing it sparked my interest it just i mean i think we're i think we're both past the point of having any more kids anyways so for us is is it relevant for us. I'm just saying i'm thinking yeah back when i we were like that. Actually we got snookered. Both times with my wife was that she when she got when she was on mat leave. They later off and bought her out. Oh so guess who made all that income right so didn't get it yeah that sucks and the other time we the other time we were private contractors and we lost the contract and you're self employed at the time time just before he happened with classrooms right same comedy. I believe okay yeah. You're you're. You're you're you're parental. Delete was getting go from your contract at work hey and then i had to take benefit fund re-energizing a made in candida auto industry. Just stop i mean i know that there's people that they want they. They want manufacturing to come back. You know so they're they're going to adopt a national automotive strategy to attract and retain jobs and investment the terrible at how are you. This is because a company shouldn't be. I shouldn't say forced but if you encourage a company to stay because because they're losing money because they can make it cheaper somewhere else. You're just taking your turning the dial to decrease the funds somewhere else it it just it's a bad biz. Protecting businesses is a terrible idea <hes> i'm. I know that i've said it before. I love free markets when you you put in measures in place to discourage free markets then you have problems and i guess what cars are globally now yeah. Oh yeah well face the fact guess what but those plants in g._m. Menasheh oshawa london windsor windsor it sorry you're you're. You're not a good business model. That's why you're closing under still works so it's not that it doesn't work. It's just you haven't ever better pistons model. Well and you know what i mean. Costs sts costs as a whole obviously as a part of that you know bad business model as it were because i mean you know especially in gm's case. They're sending a lot of that manufacturing to mexico because they can pay lower wages in mexico. There's less oversight. There's there's probably less overhead costs. <hes> it's gonna make it. It certainly gonna make the operation more profitable offer g._m. To do that and it's an unfortunate way to look at it but that is a free market way to look at it at the same time considering how hard automakers got hit in two thousand eight. It's unfortunate that the jobs get lost but it's an i guess it's unfortunate reality of the world at the same same time br like it used to be were because the manufacturing jobs like in a car plant they could they had so much power <hes> with their unions they could demand more and more money will eventually you've just priced yourself out of having a job and that's free market mechanisms yeah like if you price yourself out of a job you don't have a job anymore right like i can demand more and more money but if they can find somebody cheaper for me and i'm i'm not better that much better than they're better off to hire. Maybe to people's supposed to just me but that's free market dictating probably probably why you you know perception obviously because i don't work there but you know you go into certain big box stores or even or even some of the larger grocery stores right like they'll tend to have more part-time employees as opposed to fulltime employees because even though they have more staff it probably costs them less money have more part-time people because they don't have to offer things like benefits or pensions or whatever else supporting a thriving agriculture sector some supporting young and new farmers to ensure rural livelihoods are sustainable. I guess profitable sustainable. Maybe is making it work. I guess offering low cost start up loans for new farmers. Yes <hes> i mean there. Are there new farmers out there. Yes and they start up new operations. Yes i would say there's probably a good chunk of farming operations that it's more like you know. The kids are taking over from the parents so do they necessarily need access to start up loans. When the farm is already established. I guess it depends on what they're doing. Mentioned acres of land and starting farm even though i know how to run some aspects of farmers stunt starting not well not with how much land costs in certain places too late like good farmland is not cheap anymore. Either i mean i went by anyway. It's too much work farmers. Don't make money any certain farmers make money. That's what i'll say. I'll do fight for your right in. I mean in my experience of dealing with farmers doing income tax ax. I would say especially especially smaller operations because again. We're in ontario like a out west. They're much larger farms. They're much larger acreage there. There's there's there's more money involved and i'm sure you know barring things like drought and stuff like that. I'm sure there's farmers out there. That are making quite a bit of money but again. Is it like the a small family. Is the quote unquote small family farm or is it more like corporate farms. I don't know i i. I don't know i don't know enough about the market at west i know enough about the market marketing on -tario and i would say the average <hes> like family farm is not making money so improving where we live and work so large scale building retrofits to reduce energy demand so whether that's better insulation better you know solar panels better heating systems stuff like that so it's it's a government like government program to say either. We're going in to provide tax credits or grants or we're going to pay for this kind of stuff. I don't again. There's there's no details. There's no details the there's gonna do what did what are. They gonna do their documents. At their. We talked about these documents. They should use them. Go with plans that work and you can say listen. This'll save money because somebody else has done the calculations for us. <hes> somebody asked us those. Don't come up with these ethereal. Oh we're gonna make them better better yeah well. I mean exactly we. We did an episode on it platform for tax fairness. You know what honestly that things out there and this is why think tanks exist <hes>. Do you know they come up with ideas. Government should look at those ideas. Never mind the fact whether a think tank is left wing or right wing or whatever ignore that crap if they have a good idea use it. They have better ideas than most corporations do. They're called think tanks not political idealism okay so changing how we get around so one of the things they mentioned here and in a country like canada. This could be difficult all but i have a semi solution to it. I'm not saying that it's my solution but i have a semi solution to it so moving towards one hundred percent <hes> zero emission vehicles in the country by twenty forty so essentially by twenty forty no internal combustion engine vehicle can be sold in canada so we're talking twenty years like they can. They be on the roads or they just this can't be on the road that can be on the roads. That can't be sold my solution to this and i'm not saying it's not saying that this is an original idea. I probably read it somewhere and and and it was like yeah you know what that's a good idea. Why do gas stations not have superchargers and you know what winning electric vehicle shows up. Maybe charge maybe they can charge the car to like eighty percent in twenty minutes charge twenty five bucks charging thirty like i don't you know what a person that's driving an electric vehicle. I'm sure they'll pay that. It might suck in comparison to the fact that if they plug in at home while it's only going to cost them. I don't know like two bucks to to to charge their cart full but if you're taking an electric vehicle on like a cross country drive why every gas station every gas station what why a large majority of gas stations can't implement something like this because that's another customer the best way to do is i don't i don't i don't like bands for the most part but you can make it cost effective more cost effective for everybody involved by a dialing and i love the dialing so you say okay. We want more electric cars. How can we get more electric cars on the road. Let's give them subsidies k. So if you know by electric truecar don't make it rebates so make a tax returns. Make it right on the actual ticket price and as you have more companies making electric cars if you can also make it so that wait it's cost effective for a manufacturer to put in electric charging ports wherever they may be and make it worthwhile right now. This is not worthwhile because because there there's just not enough electric cars at their right. Go mortals is changing. That's definitely changing <hes> special tesla tesla's just coming through the matt. Oh yeah so well you know what because now they are actually delivering vehicles in a reasonable amount of time if you go on the tesla website now and you want to buy a model three the delivery time is three weeks yeah. I don't i don't even like chevy has the bolt. That's they're fully electric vehicle. I don't even you think they can deliver that fast. No it's a little bit different than a different business model to yeah that's like they have dealerships like that and i don't even want to get started on my problems with dealerships so if you can make it so that way and the more electric cars on the road the more incentive it is for the local gas stations or the the bigger gus houston's to start offering electric as an option <hes> right now you'll see my malls because well people can leave it in charge and then go and do the shopping come back or i think they're i think they have them at the service or the rest stops in ontario as well but even still they've only got like maybe like four spots which might be enough right now now but at some point it won't yes and it's like i said eventually event wolf coming in. That's how you get it but to see o'bannon. You got two more than benny. It doesn't prevent it because i still would like to buy car. I like as much let your car is amazing. If i may karpov i may still want to get a supercar carson kind but tesla's supercar supercar. Hey man it. It has a top speed of. I think think four hundred kilometers and our it's not fair on well okay fine. It's not a yes you're right. You're right. It's not it's not a five million dollar vehicle. It's not a senna. I'm talking you have set. I mean those hybrids like the mclaren hybrid the one that actually isn't really hyper because it doesn't yes sure you can run an electric car in western illinois hybrid. Nobody is slow. You don't get any lag okay i. I just wanna mention this point because we talked about it in the canadians for tax fairness episode i so i have apparently have more up to date number on how much canada canada spends on oil and gas subsidies so in that episode. It was five years ago. The number was one point six billion dollars so i was five years ago. What do you think is now one point seven three point three. Oh in five years apparently the subsidies have doubled so and apparently and oil and gas subsidies. We have the highest per capita of the g seven nations <hes> i could see that you on your big expert and we're and we're a resource country yes so i mean that there's i guess when you look at it the reasons behind it but at the same time it's like again like you said earlier earlier about businesses fail you know like do they really need. Subsidies wasn't if your business can't function with subsidy. I'm sorry you picked the wrong business. Protecting pensions for everyone okay so making pensioners the primary creditors when companies go bankrupt so think about the situation. Okay okay okay so so so the problem. The problem in the whole situation with sears going bankrupt is that the executives got their big bonuses for whatever reason because it's like the company failed. Why do you get a bonus <hes> or <hes> i think i don't remember if it was the c._e._o. Or just one of the top stockholders got a big dividend <hes> from the company while it was going bankrupt. Meanwhile the pension fund has been an underfunded for a long time and now is basically to the point that <hes> the people that that we're getting pensions through sears are either getting a fraction or their their pensions gone because of everything that's going on so trying to protect pensions trying to protect pensions over a c._e._o.'s bonus. I agree with that also hardly and i know why businesses have done it this way because if you're the president you're going to make sure that if something goes wrong you're going to get paid. I yeah oh yeah just like if you can do it. Why wouldn't you right and i guess what what they're another. One of their intentions to put into law would be to prevent companies from paying out bonuses and dividends when pension asian funds are underfunded. Okay that'd be hard to do. I think it probably would be as well. There's obviously less and less employment out there that has pensions available but even for the ones that still do they should be protected because yes while the employer does put in a chunk of money. The employee does as well employees put. The employee puts money from their paycheck into those pension funds we even if the employee doesn't part of the job. Is that your pension projected. It's supposed to be a situation in where you're supposed to put money aside to allow me to retire. That's the idea it's like a r._s._p. For a company investing in rural communities so one of the things that they mentioned under under this is postal banking so candidate used to have a postal oh bank and the idea. Is that one of the problems. That's been happening recently and we've we've seen it around here. A couple of a couple of smaller towns close by where they've got. Maybe maybe like one two bank branches if they're lucky and they're closing and never mind the fact that i think of the top in the in the top ten profit-making companies well all five big banks are in that top ten in canada and i think three or four of the top five are banks for most <unk> profitable companies in canada but they're closing these rural branches because they're saying well. There's not enough. There's not enough customer base and it's like well. That's not what your closing them you closing them because it's a way for you to cut costs and make more money because your shareholders want you to make more money and increase your dividend every quarter or every year so postal banking. The idea behind postal banking is that well most small communities and especially rural communities have post office so implemented banking system through the the post office yeah. That's one way to combat it. I mean you can't really force a company to say intas to keep bank open if it's using money right if the if the money i mean i'm sorry that's a branch that's economics and with people having the ability to not even venture into the bank to do ninety eight percent of their banking yeah like you can get your paycheck scanned and sent a you. Get a check scan on your phone senate in. I don't need to see teller for that. The money's is not they're making every vote count so bringing in a mixed member proportional voting in part of doing that having an independent citizen assembly to recommend commend the best method or you could just use one of the methods. That's already out there if you vote if you're a referendum voting on like mixed member personal what you don't want to do is what ontario dead which was half a supermajority where you specifically at line exactly what strategy one a hat because no one's gonna vote it in if you're going to have a referendum changing the voting system. You have to say okay. Do we want to change the buddy system. Yes or no right. That's the way to do it. If you say we're going to offer this one system at each province has to agree to it <hes> if one province doesn't it fails and and if you don't meet sixty percent threshold agreement fails well mike that's never gonna happen. I'm of a mindset honestly that the government should make the decision and make the change and there should be very little input because i feel i feel that if we allow let's well we had a referendum on -tario in two thousand and seven about it right it failed stupendous louis you know like like no and and any referendum for for voter reform has had basically no chance of passing either the problem with with what happened with electoral reform with the liberals was with with the current liberal government government that they had a particular form of electoral reform <hes> how they wanted to change the voting system and what they wanted was not what was recommended by the committee <hes> that was working on it and it was also like looking at it so the liberals wanted single transferable vote of voting and with the way that single transferable voting works and how the majority of people in canada vote if we had gone ahead with what the liberals <hes> wanted we would likely have liberal majority governments in this country into perpetuity because because someone who votes and ep or votes green is probably going to vote would pro would probably vote liberal second. Would you agree with that yeah i can. I can see where you're coming from. A what would end up happening is that people would get more towards what's the center party system would go more towards the center right as opposed to leaning on the wires yeah and you would have parties like the green party would be e._s. Inter-party as opposed to a left or right <hes> you'd have all these different other parties that would be more center so with the liberals when every time they would win initially but they would win forever. Yeah i mean i. I feel like eventually obviously yeah they wouldn't they wouldn't win at some point but i feel like if if <hes> based on based on the political landscape right now unless there there was like a major fracture of the political parties and we went from like you know a four or i guess if you count the p._c. Five-party system <hes> we ended up in like an eight party system as a result of change in the electoral system then yeah the liberal party would have would eventually get to the point where they're not going to be the ones forming government unless it's through like a coalition mean or something like that but my my initial thoughts when i really started researching it was like well of of course that's of course that's the voting system they wanted because it <hes> of any proportional representation voting system single transferable vote is the one that benefits the liberals the most reducing the voting age to sixteen why i've heard arguments for this saying that essentially someone who is sixteen is old enough to be able to make that choice and make an informed choice no cuban adult age. You want to keep it at eighteen yeah. I'm not i'm not one hundred percent sold on changing it to sixteen either. I understand the argument demand for it. I don't know if i support it. Just because you can make an informed decision doesn't mean you're going to yeah exactly raising revenues through progressive sources so this is that we're going to pay for everything all right so rolling corporate rolling corporate tax rates back to eighteen percent so this is for large businesses not small businesses so the canadian tax fairness plan spoke talk about increasing the corporate tax rates for big business and small business the m._v._p. Only talks about increasing it for big business which again kind in a points to the fact that they support small business owners because they're saying well. It's the large businesses. That should be paying. The additional taxes help cover all these things that we want to pay for all all the all these things that you know citizens would benefit from right so far so good yes so increasing the top tax rate to thirty five percent from thirty three percent so an extra to an extra two percent tax for earnings above two hundred ten thousand so that's not that's not that if you make that much money you pay thirty five percent taxes on the whole amount and i'm only talking federal tax federal tax rates at this point. It's if you make more than that everydollar above that amount you get taxed taxed thirty five percent so two percent. I don't know how much more that would make a one percent wealth tax on individuals with wealth over twenty million and that's why well and that's lower. That's less than what the the canadians for tax fairness plan suggested because there's was on a tax a forty five percent tax on estates over five million dollars. When someone passes away well see. I like then wealth it but that's just in general rain like that. Just if you have twenty million nine dollars you get tax one percent that can be a real problem because who would who would stay was rich right. Now i there there are there are people that would people would i. I'm not talking about the ones that would stay no matter what right no matter what i'm talking about the ones that are like well. I don't have to be here by increasing. The capital gains inclusion rate to seventy five percent so right now half half of capital gains from selling stock or selling a rental. Oh property or any sort of any sort of property that would that you make money on the point they make in the document is that eight percent of the benefits of lower inclusion in rates goes to the one percent so again an increase in the capital gains inclusion rate is going to affect the wealthy way more than it's going to affect the the average person continuation on the tax fairness project like that's why you think tanks. That's where you can save money through. You can gain the money and that's how they're gonna implant on film. Why don't they have like the enemy crunch numbers. Sorry yeah i mean you know at least at least the platform for tax fairness had dollar amounts on it where they're like if if we implement this this is how much money it's going to raise for the government or this is how much money it's gonna save the government and in there and they're i mean again. All they were looking at was taxes. They're not looking at public policy as whole but they're like well. We know that parties talking about pharma care now and they're talking about affordable childcare and they're talking about. You know a green economy and things like that well. If you implement these things you can pay hey for those things may magin that but this th the m._v._p. Platform was very light on numbers like extremely we light on numbers and extremely light on details. It was basically it was like it was like someone made <hes> had a whiteboard word on the wall and they just made bullet points and it's like okay well. What do we want to. What do we want in there and okay. We'll flesh it out with some nice language but we're not talking to flesh out the policy the policy document with what most of this stuff actually means how we're going to implement it what it's going to cost and how we're gonna pay for it odd. That's what i want in a platform. Tell me how it's going to tell me how you're going to do all this because this is why we run into situations where parties make make hundreds of promises and then when it gets to the end of their mandate people are disappointed because they can't meet half of the promises or they break a bunch of them are so on and so forth like stop with the promises and just give give me concrete. This is what we're going to do to the best of our ability. I mean you know what if some things fail yeah that'll suck but i get it when over half of the stuff that you mentioned in your policy policy document. You can't fulfill as the government especially if you're in a majority that doesn't help anybody. I'm voting on a bunch of nothing. I didn't think the p. c. Non-terrorist elected yeah exactly exactly. Maybe that's maybe that's how it should be. You know what oh platforms should now be a website that people can read in fifteen minutes. Here's the stuff we stand for. Go vote for us. Maybe and have a big donate button. That's all we're. We're raising money for the election like maybe that's what the party should do now. It would save me a lot of time. It took me four or five hours to read this thing to try and give you the coles notes and this isn't even coles goals. Not we've been going for an hour at this point yeah and even touch on a cellular plans that they plan no. I you know what i'm just. That's it that's nothing burger so so that has been the highlights i guess or possibly lowlights of the n._d._p.'s platform for the two thousand and nineteen election like like i said i read the hundred and nine pages and summarized it so that you wouldn't have to if you still wanna go ahead and read it you can. I feel like i've covered the stuff that a lot of people are gonna care about so we got three more of these coming up yay fun. We're not gonna u._p._c. i mean. I guess they're running somebody in every that's exactly how i feel. No no now maybe we should do the block wa the communist party. Why wait we you know we have a communist. Yeah i know i know we have a communist party. I'm just i the way i see it. There are four major parties because there are four major parties that have had people elected so that's what we're going to cover technicalities. Yes that's a good technicality to have though anyways this has been putting politics. My name's adam my name's mike. We'll talk to you soon.

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National affairs panel on Wednesdays throne speech, and government's COVID-19 response

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25:08 min | Last month

National affairs panel on Wednesdays throne speech, and government's COVID-19 response

"Hi I'm anesthesia abuse I am a two time. Olympic. speedskater my whole life. I have been surrounded by athletes and every one of them has a story that a scoreboard will never capture. It's not an easy thing to be with an athlete that don't understand why they're making fun of me because I like to figure escape players on voices all about the person inside the performance when you're so in it I think perhaps we're the people that understand the least subscribe now wherever you get your podcasts. This is a CBC podcast. In a throne speech that has everyday implications for Canadians, the Liberals yesterday laid their vision for governing during a pandemic and as a minority government, our national affairs panel is ready to discuss what it all means for you. Cheryl even is managing editor of the Hill Times Murray vestal parliamentary correspondent for the d'Ivoire and Jeremy. NUTTAL is a reporter in the Toronto Star's Vancouver Bureau Good Morning to you all. My Name REVEST AL we've been hearing from medical experts they were reacting to the prime minister's address last night as a political reporter. Do. You think that he met the moment. Well I think. The tone was clearly somber and serious. You could tell and you've been able to tell for a few days now because public health officials also signed. Sounded the alarm on Tuesday you can tell that in Ottawa the government is quite concerned with the acceleration the rapid acceleration of cases civically in in Ontario and Quebec and be that being said, I. Don't know what the prime minister said couldn't have simply been said during a regular press conference he used to have them every day that stopped this summer. It wasn't necessary. It wasn't necessarily something that couldn't have been set in that context especially given that half of that address to the nation ended up being about the thrilling speech. The Governor General had just read only three four hours earlier. So the the the the pretexts of the address to the nation I'm not sure was mets and then it turned even more partisan. Opposition. Parties chose to respond to it by essentially making their own political pitch and except for Jagmeet Singh very briefly at the beginning of his own address didn't even discuss really the pandemic and the fact that things are quite serious and could get worse really quickly want to get to that response and and and the politicisation to your point of that in a moment Cheryl. It is rare for prime minister to take to the airwaves and people there was some opposition. MP's they were commentators were asking whether it was necessary. Did you hear anything in with the prime minister said the justified that move? I don't know if I heard anything that entirely justified the move I think, I, agree, with Marie it is a very serious moment. The virus in parts of the country is escalating and it is important for people to hear the message to take stock and think about what's going on and act accordingly. But I don't know if it met the moment in that it was so important for the prime minister to get up in front of everybody in prime time where instead of you know making an address a house or having a press conference that could be replayed during the supper hour. News programming and delivered the same message and get that same. GEICO Saint Bob's across Germany. Not all for you. What was the point of the the prime time address? Yeah I think it also fell fell short it seems Away to the wait for it all day I was kind of wondering. You know there must be something very serious. He has to say and when it came down to it was really not much more than what would be set at a regular news conference or something in that a local health officer or something would say. Yeah. It was definitely. I have to agree it certainly didn't sorta live up to the expectation that there was something very dire and important that needed to be said, do you think people would be paying attention to it? I? Mean you're in Vancouver he would be on the middle of the afternoon in the West Coast and across the country. No matter what time people are busy school and there's work and there's a combination of working from home in school from home. Do you think Jeremy that people would have been paying close attention to this? I don't think that most people would have. Made. Gone out of their way to watch it. That's for certain. I mean, three thirty in the afternoon as you say, people are picking up children from school people are trying to get ready to make dinner or they're coming home from work if they get off early or they're at work if they're working a nine to five like most people. So yeah it certainly wasn't something that I think was widely watched out here anticipated Marie you mentioned the opposition response let's have listened to earlier of the DP Jagmeet Singh and I know people are worried about how we're GONNA pay for all this. I know. It's not your fault workers that have lost their jobs small businesses that are struggling. You shouldn't have to pay for this pandemic those who profited off the pandemic should be paying the price and I know liberals are afraid to say the words let's say clearly, we need a wealth tax, the wealthy must pay their fair share those at the very top. MERIVA. I'll just briefly you talked about the politicization of this from pick up on that a little bit. Are you surprised in this moment that I mean it's politics that's what politicians do is talk about politics but that that they would use that moment in their response. Not to talk specifically about the pandemic, but to talk about the larger political issues. Yeah I guess I was naively optimistic that the the the evening address would only be about the pandemic in an actual call to people to. Get back to being serious refused to go to parties in everything that we've heard over the past few months but sort of just a reiteration to people to to get back to a social distancing and respecting what the authorities are trying to suggest that we can avoid the worst The opposition parties did have an opportunity to criticize the throne speech earlier in the day and they all used it. Perhaps part of the problem was that two of those leader is their evening address maybe at least for the Conservatives prerecorded. So Mr O'Toole didn't actually know what Mr Trudeau was going to say he's sort of guess what he was going to say and prepared his remarks early but. Still. I. Don't know if that's a good enough excuse for what we heard after the prime minister's Address I. Think. Blame. Can Be laid all around. The prime minister also used a lot of time to just reiterated his throne speech. As you said, it's not unusual I. It is rare but it's not never seen before to prime minister take the airwaves for for for a serious occasion or in the case of. Steven Harper to try and save his minority government. We've seen it before but I guess as Jeremy said it was sold as something. So serious that perhaps people didn't tune in or journalist expected a different tone not to talked about Canada's policies in China area, not talk to her or to talk about. Jurisdiction local power in Quebec. Lucky to quit. Speech from the throne. Then there were a lot of issues mentioned a lot of promises made someone described it online as Unicorn Soup essentially that that it's it's the gift of of magical giving for everybody and a lot of things that perhaps the you know the liberals had promised in in elections past that are all rolled into this. If you take a look at at the moment and take a look at what was in the speech and start with Marie, what do you think will actually change for Canadians as a result of what was laid out in in this vision? Well I think the more concrete promises were the ones through the short term, which is a lot of economic response to the pandemic I. Think there are really concrete things like extending the wage subsidy extending the the emergency, a business account. Things like that. The promise of trying to create more jobs doing more training I think those actually do matter to people because well, we heard that we might not get Thanksgiving and might not even get a Christmas that gives you an idea of how long this might be going on and how businesses might still have to close or at least operate at at at minimal operations for for for the next few months. So I think those are things that people can look out look at I think the promise of a reform of employment insurance in the longer term is something that a lot of People who who work outside of workplaces sort of economists Thomas Workers are looking at, but you're right a lot of it was big liberal ideas that the government could manage to bring back in the throne speech because the pandemic did bring the need for those back at the forefront time thinking childcare we keep hearing that women can't go back to work because they have to take care of their kids I'm seeking Pharma. Care where he hearing about these people who lost their jobs a lot, some of their medical insurance, the pandemic did give the liberals an excuse to bring that back into their promises. But also you're correct those have been promised for a long time, some of them for years and and so promises around that were very vague. No timeline, no money and a lot of it conditional to actually agreeing with province troll Eveland. Is was what was promised. Justify just justifying the the prorogation of parliament do a lot of questions as to why parliament would be probed and the prime minister said that this was the ambitious plan that he would need to be able to bring that. You have to have a reset did that reset match the the step to prorogue parliament? No I don't think it matched the probation I mean you can Perot Parliament for a day and still have the reset still have a throne speech A lot of wet was in the speech are things that the liberals have already been working on. Are Things that they've long promised to do. Are Things that? Didn't don't appear as though they required. You know five weeks of of not having a parliament or really you know maybe a week and a half. When you look at what was actually lost? If you don't, if you ignore the that committees were scrapped. Factual parliamentary work that wasn't being done. None of none of this seems like you know. The prime minister sat down and went out and he can't go across the country and. Physically and consult with people in Saint. Bites you need and sit down on hold people's hands and really do that sort of work. None of this was was things that was out of the realm of possibility although people other people did come to Ottawa I mean, there are premieres who came to Ottawa. Said we this is what we need. We need more money for healthcare and that was not really part of this. Part of it exactly and people still could have come to Ottawa parliament was paroled or not. So that again wasn't required I think absolutely a throne speech was required and a reset in a direction required by weather this particular throne speech. Warranted Five Week prorogation I'm not so sure Germany. nautile how likely do you think that any of what was promised over the majority of what was promised a in this throne speech would actually come to pass. As they say there is a couple of. Promises that we've seen many times the childcare. One is the one that comes up for me because it's it's something that goes back to I believe the Christiane days when they first. Started trying to to offer a childcare program something the campaign on, and it's just never ever happened perhaps because of the the differences made by the pandemic, we'll see them follows through on that province promise for once but you know it is something that comes up almost every election these days or federal elections or and of course, there's also another another promise that that that kind of I thought was interesting. There was the one to have Google facebook big social media companies. ETC start paying for content and Canadian news providers, which is also something that we've had to heritage ministers promise in the past So it's I I, don't know I mean is the pandemic going to finally make some of these long term promise longtime promises come to fruition or is this just more politics? Is what I think is going to be the most interesting when you heard the prime minister he talked about doesn't as ministers have been speaking about this using this phrase build back better is is that When you read the speech, if you listened to the speech Jeremy is that what you get is that this country is going to be built back in a better way. I. Think I think yeah, I mean it looks good on paper. But the follow through is is where the question live right It's also about the cost I. Mean if you are to make these things come to life. You're looking at at a deficit that's already in the hundreds of billions moving beyond that what is your sense as to how voters would feel about that Germany? I think definitely, people are getting nervous about the cost of everything and when we see when we see more promises made that are gonNA to cost more money it'll be interesting to see in the coming days. If there's you know what the opinion polls are saying about this because it is definitely already an issue in the British Columbia action that the cost of dealing with the pandemic are skyrocketing right. So in when people when people think about what it's costing their province combined, it's costing the federal government I think your average person can pretty nervous. Hi. I'm Dr Brian Goldman. If you haven't heard my new podcast, the dose, this is the perfect time to subscribe. 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The Conservatives have said that this speech failed to show fiscal restraint and they will not support the speech from the throne. Here is the deputy Conservative leader, candice? Bergen? The only thing that we've seen from this speech from the throne is that this was the way for Trudeau to cover up his scandals, and now he's promising grand gestures interfering in provincial jurisdiction not. Supporting the provinces when they've asked for some support and raising taxes on Canadians in the speech, he mentioned the government will go into debt. So the Canadians don't have to the people of Canada are going into deeper deficit three, hundred and forty, three, billion dollars it that's the people of Canada that's our children and our grandchildren reversal style. If the conservative say, they are not supporting the speech from the throne, what does that mean for the Liberals? Could this triggering election? I'm of the ones I might be wrong. You might replace us to me in a few weeks. I'm one of the ones who has always been very skeptical that we would see an election this fall and I I I still am Yeah. The conservative said they would vote against it. The block has said it is very, very, very, very likely that. They will vote against it they. They've essentially put conditions that they know that the the government will not meet one of them being to increase health transfers to provinces unconditionally as they have asked, and the block expects that Mr True will not do that. So at least the end EP but when you listen to Jagmeet Singh leader the EP yesterday. He was sort of indicating that he had wiggle room to negotiate with the government. Essentially, the end EP wants to see more help long-term to replace the Serb the can emergency response, benefit and wants to see paid sick leave earth things are coming up in a bill in front of parliament. The language used by Mr Seeing led me to believe that either the MVP will negotiate to tweak that bill in in a way that is satisfactory to them or the end will create a small victory. Anyway, trying to find a reason to say that they got what they wanted every opposition party, we heard yesterday and actually the government. Said Multiple Times they don't want an election and I think they recognize people don't want an election federally. Two of the leaders couldn't even be there to respond in person to the speech of the throne or to respond. In front of networks to the the the address to the nation because they have covert, I think people recognize that it's not realistic. You can't even go to Atlantic provinces right now to campaign I personally think that it's when we get to the nitty gritty to, as you said, how much it will cost how fast it will come i. think that's where people might start to show opposition to the government and and lose confidence in the government, and I think that would probably more likely come in the spring but again, I might be wrong it's just my my feeling right now we have it on tape. So don't worry about that Terrell even. Did the two point that the end EP offer a lifeline to the government? Yeah they did the looking speech I. Think it was written with the EP and mind there's a lot of things in there that been. EP. Touchstones for almost as long as they're been has been a new Democrat Party. I, mean child childcare. Steps towards Burma care taxing extreme wealth inequality, all those things the other parties they put forward their asks the blockhead you know four specific priorities that they said that wanted to see in this speech a conservative I think. If we're being realistic. There was very little that could be in the speech that they would come out and say s absolutely bureau for it and we're going to support it regardless. So the end EP were really the Liberals Dance partners in a speech and I think that there is room as bad for them to negotiate, and there's a room for them to to get a bit of a win and ultimately support it because nobody really wants to go to the polls as much as they say that they're ready. If. It comes to that. I think there's going to be a big step. It would be a big step backwards for the DP to say we can't support. Even given all these things that are in the speech that that we feel we can support because we didn't get this one specific thing, and now everybody's going into an election germinal our people in British Columbia Feeling knowing that they are going to the polls on the twenty fourth of October. Yeah I. Tell You. It's not a very popular decision so far. I haven't seen a lot of people or spoken to a lot of people who are happy with it except for MVP partisans I don't. Yeah. I I. Don't know that it's going to be A. Backlash that it affects the outcome of the election but it's definitely knock not gonNA popular move and do think that weighs on. The opposition parties, but also on on the prime minister in not forcing an election because. We're in the midst of a pandemic people have a lot on their plates right now in his it's an election, the thing that they actually need added to the plate. Yeah. Yeah and I I don't think so I mean out here in BC quasi colby election and it's just not going over. Well, I think that's federally something like that. With it would just be the same kind of backlash nationally it's it's scary to think you know as as Marie pointed out I mean you've got to beat who have Kobe. That's how prevalent this is right now. So Task Canadians to line up at a polling place. You know it could actually legitimately lead to few deaths and that's something that really has to wait in this moment just in the in the last you know three or four minutes that we have. I'll ask all three of you this but in this moment. What do you think is required of the federal government now Jeremy I think they definitely have to keep the ship laid it I know that it's expensive but you also have to weigh that against if you do nothing and let the country fall into a deep recession or depression, even what good is that for the rest of the country just to say that we haven't spent too much money and it could in the long term, end up spending more money. So I think that you know they. have to really keep the the ship righted as long as they can. You know not not knuckle nuts with the with the spending, but just you know find that balance where we can do as little damage as possible to to you know everyday Canadians as well as the economy in general well. Still Not really driving the car could imagine that there are some people going, where's that line between what you're spending now in not going nuts with the spending. Yeah I. It's it's going to be a very difficult one to find especially as this continues on and if the search the vaccine takes longer than people think Cheryl Evelyn. What do you think is required of the federal government right now? I think the federal government needs to. Almost take its own almost take its own advice talks about. Needing a team Canada approach and I think that's maybe what needs to happen is. Go back to. That sense of collaboration that we saw earlier on and really look at working together with whether it's the provinces whether municipalities women's whomever to say, what do you need? How can we help you in? How can we not make things worse or more difficult to get things done I think that's probably what's needed from the federal government right now and obviously a lot of that is going to be money and. So like during the said, keep keep a handle on on that spending so that when we do come out of this and everybody is in a place where we can see the road to recovery move stealth last couple of minutes to you I mean the prime minister's essentially puts Thanksgiving on ice says, well, if you're lucky, will be able to do Christmas. In this moment what is required from from the prime minister from his government? Yeah. I. Think. I. Would build on on what both Jeremy and Cheryl said yes I think. Perhaps, too the disagreement of the Conservatives there needs to be more spending in the immediate. For people who are going to need help for the next few months, people are starting to be worried about deficits, but they were also quite happy when they got help from the government when they didn't have a job or they couldn't go to work because they were sick or or or their their employer was not operating during those weeks. But I think also to that Point Ontario Canada, I think the government federal government and the provinces actually have to talk about healthcare money. I think there's going to be a lot of fighting over jurisdiction over conditions over how we should invest more money in healthcare. Surprisingly no mention of surprises. No mention of it in the throne speech really. I was surprised and there were there's also reminder of all the money that's federal government has already spent on healthcare but I think that issues not going away. The premiers of the provinces are meeting virtually today and tomorrow and there is a meeting planned eventually to talk amongst ministers. I, think both sides are going to have to maybe put a little water in their wine because yes, it's a question of jurisdiction. Yes. Every province has different priorities different demographics during different realities on the. Ground but at the end of the day of the second wave is as devastating as people are predicting and people start dying and people in long term, care homes start being really really affected like we saw in the spring I don't think Canadians are gonNA care about jurisdiction they're gonNa want governments to do something and work together, and I think healthcare is GonNa be a big big thing to watch. It'll be on the government, but that will also be on those opposition parties then. Yup. Everyone needs to together and on provinces and the federal government who are going to have to find a middle ground to make sure that we do not see what we saw in the spring, which was the army having to help people who were being taken care of, and those are people's parents and grandparents and uncles, and aunts, and I don't know how you can justify that. Again, we will talk again in the meantime it's great to have you on the program this morning. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you very much. Leland is managing editor of the Hill Times, Marie austell parliamentary correspondent for Lavar and Jeremy. NUTTAL is a reporter in Vancouver for the Toronto Star. For more CBC PODCASTS, go to CBC DOT CA slash podcasts.

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Episode 76  climate change and gun violence in #elxn43

Sandy and Nora talk politics

43:42 min | 1 year ago

Episode 76 climate change and gun violence in #elxn43

"Hainer. At Hey Sandy. I've been on like this environmental. Hi for the last couple of days. A Green Hi. Oh my God all of those images from around the World Pretty Cool Huh. Yeah I mean like the the numbers of how many people have been marching in Canadian cities. That came out at the end of Friday was was amazing and I. I think that it's easy to kind of like forget that there were things that were happening in. Like many many many small communities across Quebec another seventy events held and there's little marshes but the big one was Montreal. Did you see Montreal's pictures. I saw so many pictures. It looked incredible so incredible. Yeah yeah so it's GonNa be very interesting to see how that translates into this election. And so this episode. We're going to try and explain to. Oh you dear listeners. What the role of mass mobilization has to be in relation to an election? And so I think I think it's like incredibly inspiring to see all of these young folks who've organized these these climate strikes all over the world but one thing that I already see happening that we cannot allow to happen. Is this type of cooperation from From politicians and so I'm talking about Justin Trudeau like attending the march. I was so hoping like I was going to tweet that. I really hope that we have like some sort of Australian act boy equivalent in Canada when he shows up and someone did. Yeah I someone tried some tried. Yeah to get just to act but he got swiftly arrested yes I believe tackled to the ground. Yes But the the reason why was hoping for that is because it doesn't make sense for Justin Trudeau to attend a climate strike because he he is highly responsible for some of the ways that the climate is getting worse for humans and so him showing up is just another example of how he uses his his public image to try to create An idea about who he is. That doesn't actually match with his policies and given how This country responded to say just last week's racism tobacco. It's dangerous thing when someone like Justin Trudeau who seems to have all the latitude in the world for for forgiveness and for people to trust him in in like you know amongst the populace that when he does present himself as the guy on climate change you have shows like the Patriot Act with Menendez saying that he is really great for the environment and people believing that perhaps the Liberal Party is on the forefront of climate change and they're co opting. This movement largely led by youth and That's unacceptable and dangerous because if people believe that and then go ahead voting for them believing that the liberals care more about the climate than they do about the business interests that further the the the climate crisis while they were just getting ourselves into even more trouble. Yeah it was very confusing. I also also thought it was unacceptable and inappropriate for him to be present at the at the rallies. Because well for all the reason that you stated and also because it's it's like part of cooperation is to really confuse the issues and the climate strikes. Were really amazing. Because you have this massive ground swell of support that was primarily a among youth youth who had been organizing in organizing with this date in mind since like for months right like the the last big climate strike day was March Twelfth And Not Rally like I was at the rally and March Twelfth. That was really big and I thought Oh my goodness like the next big one is going to be really big and it. Just this happens that it falls in the middle of our election and so of course politicians are going to try to make political hay off of it but for Trudeau. Dick go to Montreal. The rally rally that was the biggest and most powerful in a community where the environmental movement is actually quite strong one. Probably the strongest location of Environmental Activism Activism in Canada right now is just so offensive and gross and you know he wasn't welcomed people marched along him enchanted that he bought a pipeline which. I thought that was important. That people did that. But it's also it's it's a it's a reminder that our movements are in a location right now where politicians do feel completely safe showing up at spaces that they have no right to be in and and partly that's because glow like global climate change is just that it's a global issue and the the the solutions when you think about global solutions of course. The Prime Minister of Canada might have positive role to play in a global solution but by enlarge he is the target of our of our rage of are demanding for more demanding of action and he has to wear not just the decisions of his government government. But he's the head of Canada. He has to wear the decisions of governments that he disagrees with like. That's that's kind of how it works. You are the Prime Minister of Canada. You are the top up guy of the country and And the and the damage that the that the liberals have done by turning Climate pricing in the in the climate talks into into what has been turned into is going to be very difficult for activists to untangle from among people who are just like the carbon taxes bad the carbon taxes bad and therefore I'm against fighting to improve the environment because they they really took that issue and made that the only issue That they were that they were really really willing to fight for in. This is not an episode on the on the carbon tax. It's like not even a super sufficient measure either so I mean did Trudeau relist all all of the the the waterways that that that Harper delisted from environmental protection did he reverse any harper's like catastrophic perfect climate policies. You know no no so screw you being there you know. We're we're not just talking about two in this episode. Although we totally could like this is this is like one of the issues of our time connected to so many different issues that we will often talk on this podcast whether it be connected to issues of white supremacy connected to issues of capitalism's and so on like this is one of the most dangerous manifestations of a whole host of social issues that are happening in our time. So for this This should be the one of the number one issues that are is discussed during the election and so we do not have the luxury of You know just ignoring this issue trying to talk about something else like milk or whatever ever during during the election in these times we don't and so we also don't have. We cannot have the complacency to allow how politicians to pretend like they're working on something that they're not and so we just WanNa go through a little bit of how we should be thinking about how how politicians should be responding to such Organized Fervor around the environment as the election very quickly approaches. That's right I mean so this week. There should be an echo effect of Friday's marches and how the parties interact with what Friday delivered is going to be the test of their response to average people's demands because they think that the climate strikes were very very average people those were mass mobilizations of people who perhaps have never taken to the street before The majority of them had never taken the b-street before and the reason we know that not because they're historically the biggest rallies in Canadian history ever ever ever like. I mean this is some historic shit at. It's happening at the time of an election. And and so you know will the Liberals respond to what happened with better green policy will the Conservatives respond with better green policy and how will the end ep try to capture the excitement and the Greens. I guess as well how will they try to capture the excitement of the climate marches. And turn that into public policy. That is bold. That is clear that explains to average people how we're going to fight this massive soul crushing problem of climate change. And and you know. We're recording this on Sunday. And so the week hasn't started yet but but while you're watching how all politicians are talking about the environment like has the environment become the number one issue or are they politicians trying to push other issues that they are more comfortable debating baiting about and I suspect that the that the Conservatives and to some extent the liberals are GonNa want this issue to kind of go away because the liberals can can only go so far on the environment before they run up against the DP the Greens having much better policy than they have. That's totally true. And like I I I want to feel like it can't be left alone that you it's not worth it to talk about the Conservatives and anybody else right at the liberals on on the climate right now if you if you care about the future of the human race like I hope one that you're not even considering voting for either of those parties but like I hope you know that that is those parties Are Obviously not interested in in the difficult choices that will have to be made and the difficult changes that will have to be made to our economy enemy vis-a-vis the environment and so it's not worth talking about and part of the reason. I got some questions last week after our podcast cast of like. Why are you so focused? On the Liberals the Conservatives are just as racist or worse or whatever and it's like part of the reason is question it's a it's a great question like part of the reason we he focused on them Because like coming out of last week was well it was because it was the leader of the Liberal Party did the most racist thing but but also because they present themselves they present themselves as authorities on these topics is as people who are doing the right thing on on these topics and often as Nora gave a bunch of examples about at the top of the show will actually just further conservative actions or ignore ignore previous conservative actions allowed to continue previous conservative actions that That make things for the environment much much worse and so it's it. It becomes incumbent on people like us. I guess To sift through the bullshit quagmire so that you can see what's really underneath all all the ways that they present themselves and so that's why we're focusing on them but that is not to say the Conservatives don't deserve some flags so fuck them too but not worth talking about because he should already know that. Yeah the conservative plan is so thin that there's not there's not really much to it like they they m- mm are not publicly denying climate change so like Bravo fucking Andrew. Scheer I guess but their their plan for an environment I mean it doesn't have any more depth to it than three pillars which is that they wanna make Green tack be a big part of the economy and they want a greener natural environment. I mean they're they're kind of like the ducks unlimited conservationists right this model that you can have really nice parks or really nice piece of land. I might ignore indigenous rights entitled outlander might ignore the fact that waterways are fucking connected and so if you allow Large mining projects or large other industry projects that they will poison the water shed the Conservatives are are masters of not caring about this issue at all and what they inject in this election. which is I think something? That isn't hawked about enough. But they inject this This myth that Canada Candida is among the the cleanest countries in the world. And what our Ashok brain and our job is to show poorer countries who just don't get how important the environment is had a clean themselves up and so part of the conservative platform and in the way that they talk about the environment it is like okay candidates doing everything we can and it's really the third world countries who are polluting the most and it's them that we need to that. We need to target or we need to help or whoever however they want to massage that language rate in the in the platform it's taking Climate change fighting global or something like this and it has a very insidious if fact Especially when people who are conservatives and so if you listen to this podcast and you've got family members or friends who are conservative. This is a really important to talk to. Your family about. That candidate is still among the most polluting countries in the world. This is not a first world versus Third World thing and in fact the so-called so called Third World like a lot of countries whose whose economies are rapidly industrialising. In this moment they're able to skip the dirtiest energy apart because they're rapidly industrialising in a moment where clean energy is possible inviolable. And so you know there's there's from US shipping our fucking trash in recycling to the Philippines Philippines being like fuck you candida take this back right. which is such a a symbol of of how we treat other countries in the world? My God to to the fact that among Canadians like our our car ownership in their car emissions are some of the highest biased. In the in the world we pollute per person and we saw the highest quantities in the world and most of that isn't actually individual consumption most that's industry and so the Conservatives are useful to remind us that capitalism is the problem that overconsumption is the problem that the liberals roles just want to mitigate this stuff to make it sound good which is why they're so obsessed with the market based solution look like a carbon tax and the independent Greens. I mean the MVP. He has not been able to articulate their platform or their vision. Well Enough and the Greens baked into their brand and so they're able to kind of get away with them being the Green Party and it's kind of clear enough as it is so I'm hoping to see this week A real like Focus on climate has in this week of the Canadian in election But some of the things that I think are missing in the conversation. I'm really hoping that there's intrepid journalists out there who are willing to like Ask these parties about for example. You just mentioned candidates like you know one of the biggest polluters which means it really contributing to the way that the the climate is changing changing and how that manifests in like different weather patterns and so on and so when we see A lot of devastating Really extreme weather patterns say in the Caribbean or in South America okay and that creates a number of like climate refugees. What is Canada's responsibility To to folks who have lost their homes their livelihood as a result of some of the ways that candidate refuses to address us. It's responsibility for the change in climate. How are we like? What is the responsibility that we're going to be taking on right like these types of really big questions are things that you are talking about when they're doing these climate actions but I almost rarely ever hear being talked about at the top? I do think that Elizabeth may has talked about this but I don't think that this has been an issue that's been asked to all the leaders and I want to hear them talk about it. Well it's a foreign Foreign Relations or international relations question isn't it and our international relations. Discussion discussion in this election is so thin. It's it's like there's no mention of the fact that Canadian soldiers are molly Canadian. Soldiers like what we've committed waited more than a billion dollars to have our our ongoing engagement in the Middle East. We've got Canadian soldiers in the Middle East right in Syria and Iraq. We're in the we're in Ukraine and an end it. It's always kind of around war right and the climate fight is a global issue as you've said and so how these issues news translate into foreign policy of each of the parties and the answer is it doesn't at all at all. It's unbelievable how oh how there has been no discussions and and WHO's the only group that's all like air. We want a foreign policy debate. You saw that this past week is there's the fucking punk debates so And and that would have been ridiculous and so like. I'm super happy that the munk debates bates had to collapse on that because their questions would have sucked but the the fact that we have not moved into a direction where foreign affairs and foreign policy is is directly clete tied to climate change and climate policy and not like this benevolent. How can we give money to make people better but yeah how are we accommodating climate refugees? Jeez or how are we giving money. Are we giving expertise are we. Are we showing up to help. People who've been desert devastated by floods. Do we have flood expertise like a rebuilding force fire expertise and candid ended with our own forest fire. properties are we sending. This was going to be my response that it is a foreign policy issue. But it's like not just a foreign policy issue right like there's going to be there already are people who are being displaced everywhere and so it's a plant Scher for for foreign policy. But it's also a plan for what's GonNa happen within Canada like things were getting extreme here to like from the north to the I mean I was and literally about to name all the cardinal directions and not really say anything specific about it because except the south but the changing climate in the north in the way that that affects the type of subsistence. That people have available to them the change in climate to the West and all of the The the dryness and the forest fires it even although the kind of tornadoes that you're seeing in southern Ontario which we didn't get used to have before and flooding. It's like the way that the hurricanes are making their way. Farther Arthur north. It's it's it's all it's all bad it's all bad and so we're gonNA need a plan that is that both recognizes. It is our responsibility to people outside of the borders of Canada and within the borders of Canada. And do we have the plan. Is it there who's talking about it besides the youth. Well this is where you got to give the a bit of credit to the Green Party and I I would say only a bit because literally. That's the reason to exist so I need the green writing I would expect no less You Know Elizabeth May is an extremely effective communicators. Sometimes sometimes she's situations you're like. Wow that was bad but but You know she was on the current this past week and she was talking about the Green Party's policy and it was the first time they really felt like I had heard an explanation of any of the party policies that was very concrete in how they understood like just the enormity of this problem and how it touches every aspect of of the economy of the Society of our existence and so you know the Greens are talking about it but the problem is that the if a journalist was thinking from the perspective of green policy they would look at what the Greens are the per proposing they would say how far away all of the other parties are from what the Greens are proposing and they would look at what the what the experts are saying. We need to be doing how far the Greens are away from not from the expert advice because the Greens are not like they're they're not providing us a program to save the planet. There were. It's better but it's not gonNA actually address the problems the way that these that these mass social movements are are demanding and so And so part of this as media WHO's refusing to talk about it part of it is the fact that this two parties that are kind out of also refusing to talk about in any fundamental way and the MVP has to figure it out as well the MVP has to be more bold with their comments more bold with their. Ah Promises you know like. They got free public transit as part of their platform. Why is that not being talked about more is there? Is there a bus strategy. That will connect rural communities in this country is their strategy to To get high speed rail like between every major city in this country I mean we. We need expensive and massive infrastructure projects. And we need someone like Jagmeet Singh to be like you know what we're funding this because this is important we refunded the Canadian national railway one hundred years ago one hundred twenty years ago we can fund this now. We're going to fund this because it's important and not be so obsessed with the logic of of finding that money and making sure we can pay for because big infrastructure projects have to happen in the liberals were doing that but there's but most the pro- pro- Their their projects have our private public partnerships. And there's a lot of problems within that in that's a whole other discussion but it's very clear like either. There's a lack of knowledge or there's the total total ignorance at the level of Paul of journalists. Were not understanding those issues or the parties are reluctant because they know that the solutions are really really big and I think that they can be popular but you have to popularize them which is which is where you go back of course the social movements one of the things that I think is really important about what you just said is like and what that I think has been missing from the way that politicians talk about the climate is that you brought it really close to people's everyday experience. I think that some of the ways that people get a little bit confused about the climate or oh that's the thing there that might be coming for us but I don't know how is because they don't they can't see how it's like really directly connected to their lives. I mean obviously as the weather events intensify intensify that definitely becomes closer to people's lives but things like a shift in infrastructure policy that changes how we do transit transit or changes how we get around Those types of things need to be connected to the climate and the environment and how we talk about these things a little bit more and I don't know I wonder why they're not being connected quite so much. Maybe it's because it's too dangerous for for political parties to talk about to to you now to commit to such massive changes But those are the types of discussions that we need so people can see how it's connected to their own lives and not only feel like it's connected acted to them when we're talking about attacks. Do you know what I mean totally. I think it is dangerous because like if you take the EP their big green policy that I I can think of off the top of my head. So the policy that has gotten out anywhere is retrofitting homes right and that is we've talked about this on this episode before that is like meaningless to to me like as someone with windows and I know my windows are one hundred years old and you know I've I've just got our house off of oil because we were able to switch till at Trinity and all this kind of stuff and I'm like retrofitting my home. What the fuck like I have to go in and renovate like I got a list of renovations? We have two already too just like live here like you know and so and of course. That doesn't talk to renters out. All that only talks to homeowners. And so these these are these are like the pocket book solutions there. The environmental fucking light bulbs that don't work very well. There's the single use plastic bands. That would be great. except I mean I think I heard Justin Trudeau announce it. They had banned single use. Plastic and I was literally eating with a single use plastic fork. I'm like yeah you sure did breaking the law right now but it when we start to think more broadly about about connecting the environment to every single platform policy. That's when you start to actually point at the real problem and the real problem is capitalism awesome and none of the parties are are equipped to talk about that in a serious way and not just a capitalism but white supremacy. Because here's the thing also about Some of the stuff that I was just talking about in terms of a climate Jeez By and large those folks are GonNa be Indigenous Black and Brown folks and I you know like I certainly don't trust the Liberal Party to do anything more than Whereas like a costume as I said last week But I I need these These politicians to if they're GONNA be really talking about this stuff to understand that they also need to be talking about how the climate affects us all in different ways and particularly affect certain communities worse than others because white supremacy like these are things that That all need to be understood and tackled by any party. Who's seriously considering how they're going to to to stop the climate crisis white supremacy is the tie that like weaves everything together and it's it's interesting to think about which policies that you and I would call racists that have come out in this election and how they don't necessarily have a direct in a Tied to the environment. Let's say I'm thinking of a couple of policies in my mind right now and you can say that those environmental policies but any policy that dehumanizes and denigrates racialist people is going to have an impact when we start talking about the movement of a global movement of refugees opening our borders ars or arms or our homes to people who are in need. And you need to come to Canada. They're all connected. And when we have any policies that call into the humanity of the that call into question the humanity of black and Brown and indigenous people that's a narrative that stretches across policies. And so there's like a direct act impact on how people white people especially see up people who are in need from around the world who are not white and then that feeds into an anti the immigrant sentiment and it feeds feeds into rising xenophobia. I mean it like it's kind of Nice to look at the world through all of these systems because it's like they're all they all work together other like you can really make these conclusions. Quite simply and the job of the politician is too high of all of this stuff off to make nothing makes sense in in the last like ten minutes of this show. I do want to talk about maybe one of those issues or one of those those threads of policy that we kinda dropped like a hint about last week when when Justin Trudeau Longside Trustee Bill Blair announced at their their election platform on guns which If I can just say it's just so very bizarre. We are in the way that they talked about it. They were like. I don't know if you saw the the press materials that they created but it was like it said Thoughts and prayers are enough like it was really why like it felt like A. Yeah Oh yeah. It was like a response to American movements around gun control control from the Liberal Party like it was. It was very weird. Yeah very very strange. I don't I didn't see anyone one address that in the media at all and I was like so disappointing about also last week was like a quagmire of Shit to respond to you. So you know who knows. But that's that's how they responded to it but each of the parties seem to want to focus in some way on gang violence or violence and a criminality They've all come out with some sort of platform on these things and the way that these things are talked about are of course related related to the way that these parties envision people of Color and black people because that is who they think that they are talking about in he's in these discussions and it's very clear and so I just you know when addressing rushing gang violence if your answer to like the the Liberal Party's answer to like addressing Quote it unquote. Gang violence is to criminalise. More guns gun should be in cities I get that sure But the their answer isn't going to do anything about the root causes. It's just gonNA arrest more people and I don't I don't really like what are you doing about. The root causes because people have been being arrested for this type of thing for some time now. The problem hasn't shifted because that approach doesn't work if poverty is the the root cause if substandard access to education inability to access. Employment is one. The problems like more criminalization isn't going to assist. The problem. Just makes it worse. Is it taking a look at how the parties discuss. How how they're gonNA deal with crime is really telling about how how the party's view people in these communities who are affected hit by these violence? Yeah so the Conservatives have A whole policy under there A Safer Canada kind of thing That it's got three three pillars and the pillars are not surprised people One is like cracking down on gangs the second and his gun laws that target criminals and then number three in no hint of irony. I guess is equipping. Police gun laws at target criminals and equipment police. What if the police are the problem? Okay and so So they've got this this website and it's funny because it's like weirdly Plato and the bullet points don't make any sense And they're they're very clearly whipping up a of a feeling of fear from among White Canadians like they're they're talking about revoking parole. They're talking about tougher sentences in the in the Conservative Party of of of tough on crime rate they got rid of the mandatory mandatory minimums Or three they introduced mandatory minimums and they got rid of the consecutive life. Sentences that you can hold so people can be in jail until they're dead and they want to create new sentences for violent gang crime. Like as if as if like you can just be in jail for fucking two hundred or three hundred or four one hundred years what what really gets me in. This is that it's like there is a crisis in in cities where affordability and poverty are our or lake at the highest levels. They've been for a long time and people are super desperate. There is absolutely a crisis. And what this addresses is not that crisis races this addresses this just continues to put more people into jail criminalizes black youth it makes white conservative. Voters think that that's the real problem and ignores the fact as you say that there's re- causes but what I find the most fascinating is that Steven Harper's tough on crime policies where he introduced the ability to be in jail for back. Tabatha set length life sentences because up until then you can only be in jail for a murder first degree murder up until twenty five years. Stephen Harper let you be in jail for as many years as a judge wants to give you and And then create a mandatory minimums which puts a lot of pressure on judges to just jail people rather than to find alternatives to jailing them. And wh and what has what has Justin Trudeau done about. These really barbaric changes to the criminal code. Oh well he ruled the mall. No that's not right heated. Fuck all I think though. Additional houses official fugger balls. He was fuck all ed so it is rich to me that that the the liberals are going to have any policy that targets gun on violence. That's going to work especially now bill fucking Blair In a in the driver's seat and the Conservatives are simply pushing further for more criminalization in the same path that they had started under Stephen Harper. It's really fascinating how this is just like a continuous trend towards increasing criminalization in a fucking country where homicide rates have dropped significantly over thirty or forty years and where who is more likely cleaned. Kill somebody if you're a woman it's someone who you are related to or who you have been married to her with or or used to be with and for man. The most likely person is going to kill you is not criminal activity. It's fucking random. Actually it's a stranger stranger danger actually dangerous for men and I don't think that's a whole other thing we could talk about. That's pretty interesting. Yeah and you know part of the the thing that made me like so cringe at the liberal a I promise and announcement is because I am sure that what they were doing was they were thinking. Okay Black Canadians are probably really upset with us. Can and we announced something that will directly affect The way that The the difficulties that Black Canadians are experiencing in their communities and they probably job. We thought like this. This is it. This is the way to go forward And it's such a a gross way to think about A community the of people because they they're again not interested in dealing with any of the root causes of these things that people are experiencing experiencing in their communities. And then the other thing that I want to say about the the conservative plan is and you really should go check out this website it is. It's very funny. I who they need to fire. Whoever is working on their web design because all the bullet points are the number one? The number one is the bullet except for the liar. Exactly the laws words just a bullet like it's like a list but all the items are I in the last like there's there's a bunch of things that they talk about that. Make it very clear to me. I don't know if you're reading through the lines on this one Nora Aura. That they are interested in privatizing prisons. They're they're talking about making prison time more meaningful at the same time time. This is like literally. That's one of the bullet points is making prison time or more more meaningful At the same time that they're talking about getting rid of parole about As they're talking about tougher sentences and they also talk about in their in their platform and audit of the money that the government is spending going on prisons and making sure that they're spending their money correctly that to me is the setup for a government policy the that allows for private institutions to come in and run prison systems. And I think we've talked about on this podcast before how there are a private companies who are involved in the prison system in Canada but it's not reached the level where there's private companies like running our entire incarceration Jason System like it is in the United States. It seems to me that reading through the lines in this in this thread of plans lands conservatives. Have that something that they wanNA move forward on. I totally I think. That's totally fair. UNLESS THEY WANNA make it more meaningful because the like let the let the people who live live in prisons have like parties and celebrate milestones and have access to training programs. That are really fun. Read it that way too. I I suppose we could. I don't know if sheer end friends are truly interested in that Shit. I don't you're I think you're totally right and I and I hope folks listening to this podcast can appreciate like you know you hear you heard it here folks. I like that's not it and no one is talking talking about it We have to mention the end. EP The EP came out just this morning Sunday morning awkward day for an announcement but anyway and for their gang funding which is one hundred million dollars dedicated to help keep young people out of gangs so the Canadian Press Story has very little details and such are those details will come the next couple of days but but Singh was asked if any of that money would go the RCMP and he said no so Oh Bravo not great and and you know the probably thinking about youth programs creative programs of giving money to the cities to be able to offer spaces for youth to do stuff so that'd be. That'd be wonderful that we good Of course it doesn't touch on the affordability stuff which is elsewhere elsewhere in the Andy Platform and also not sufficient but Starting the conversation around like youth and supporting youth is is great. The other part of their of their gang-related promise is something that I think has gone a lot of plane British Columbia because I've heard folks. NBC Talk About it. But I haven't seen anyone else talkative document Canada which is that. They're mimicking a lot of the the policies that the MVP government in British Columbia has promised specifically related to anti money laundering And so that is great too. So they've they've talked about a twenty million dollar Disbursement to create specifically in the RCMP the money laundering unit. I don't know if that needs to be in the RCMP. Quite frankly but Talking about money laundering is is absolutely critical. Because you know we've got maxine Bernie okay. That's blaming the affordability crisis in Toronto Vancouver on immigration whereas the real culprits. Of course our money launderers are the banks are speculators and out of control housing prices. That have made some people extremely rich and have made a lot of people homeless to the journalists who listen to our podcast And what is because I've I've heard that there's a lot now at some of the The most interesting feedback that I get is from journalist if you folks are interacting acting with with the parties on this issue this week because it seems like that's something that might also be talked about this week in addition to the climate when they talk about being tough on crime as every party does every year every year. There's an election. It's like one of the signature promises that they promise to make. People think they care about their safety when they do. Please ask them what they're doing. That's different from what's been done before. Okay because if if again like if all that we ever talk about at which it seems like it is in every election is tough on crime means more money to the police and more power to the police and and tougher sentences and whatever and you know and it doesn't really change anything just as a journalist. Maybe ask them why. There's still going on with the same plan that doesn't change anything. Ask them to delineate how it's different. Get them to get real a little bit on this issue because I think so many of us know the issue goes so deep and is about. It's so much more than just what it is. That is denoted as criminal in our society. And I think it's really important that journalists assert quipped to not forget the last term for the liberal parties or the last term the conservatives were in power or you know for the MVP and the Greens or whomever how they're going to be different from those previous terms that the ruling parties have always promised the same shit. Ask them how it's going to be. Different communities of color black communities indigenous communities are counting on you to like make it apparent that this shit doesn't change anything for us so just get a little bit more creative a little different change it up a little bit. Don't let them get away with the same old same old. Ask a tough question. Ask a tough cool as Jan.. Did you man.

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Kinfolk, Zadig, Jezga

Monocle 24: The Stack

28:40 min | 1 year ago

Kinfolk, Zadig, Jezga

"This week on the stack varieties, the key recovered a one of the most iconic in details. There is kinfolk a magazine dedicated to lot even coacher. And of course we love to celebrate the launch of new titles. This time it comes from France, that diga gla, MAG. Stay tuned for this week's stack. From three housing London. This is the stack thirty minutes of print industry analysis, and I am in share coming up on the show. We had to France to speak with the editor in chief of the dig Lamar a magazine the angst to study, France, and we speak to the editor of a coup magazine showcasing Baltic creativity, but first, visit the office of kinfolk based in Copenhagen, the magazine has been one of the most successful stories of independent Gabrieli Santi visited the titles office and this report for us book was founded in Portland, Oregon and is now as in the heart of Copenhagen. It is a lifestyle magazine published worldwide would local editions in Japan, China and South Korea every issue is centered around a specific theme and the summer alongside a fashion shoot in southern France and collection of Persian cats and hats issue thirty two focuses no less than on the Japanese capital of Tokyo. I catch up with kinfolk Senator high-pitched little. To talk about the work behind this year's summer issue. Tokyo's a theme is quite straightforward. We've previously done a Paris MD. She, for example. But some of our seems a bit more of the world's last year we had a hair shape, and that was fun. I mean that covered everything from looking at the Canadian politician, Jagmeet Singh and the importance of wearing the turban to him as a Sikh man to with pieces of how it's where have why was so disgusted by Herron our food. We like things that basically open themselves up to being approach from different angles, and it takes about a third of the magazine theme section side of the theme section. We've got interviews with architects, including BJ Jane of studio. And by say Kengo Kuma, he'll be best known to British listeners, for is beautiful design for the Vienna Dundee the Olympic stadium. We've got an interview with the Danish singer CoCo about why she kind of. Crashed out of LA. And then we've got some stupid things fun to make and fun to read. So we got a piece on how to talk to babies without looking like an idiot, we've kind of investigation into why we have such good thoughts in the shower. And we've also got a beautiful very stylish Parisian fashion editorial featuring a cats. This must be one of the silliest things we've ever put together, the toga for rented a studio in Paris. The day got four cats on sets and art director was having a stressful day over. He was just getting all these updates about unsurprising that the cats did not want to sit for their photos, though, to spending the whole day. We were just getting these pictures of cats, he incredibly stressed incredibly pissed off to be on us that they were being dressed up in bows, the last minute Socratic who I think, my, the photography's cat came in and save the day we've ended up with this incredibly. Beautiful fashion editor real and carries the of the kind of style and elegance that people associate with kinfolk approach to sheets like that. Obviously the model is a cat. And that's just fun. I'm in. Yeah. If you take yourself too seriously as not much fun to look at, and it's definitely not much fun to make. So no, let's talk about the summer issue, which is out today, and as Tokyo themed, and in the magazines introduction, you talk about how kinfolk quote has long had roots in Japan. What is the connection a publication have with the country as I think can foc- was founded in Portland currently based in Cape and Hagen, definite because now we can hear the bells outside to set the scene. The conflict has been translated into Japanese since shortly after we were founded, so I think since around two thousand thirteen and we've got a team in Tokyo. We've. Got to add, it is working from their Marco, and KOTA editor and chief John and found a Nathan with air couple of months ago meeting with the team. And obviously a lot of the content for this issue came out of their inputs that community. To folk as a magazine focuses on where you defined slow living and a city like Tokyo is probably not what many would associate slow living with what aspect of the dummies capital. Do you focus on slain as funny concept in general? I think it's used as of we as a catch term to basically mean something were considered something that you're engaging with ACC on your terms rather than being steamrolled by that. And I think you can see that, for example, in fashion editorial this issue, which was shut by Ramona prods. It's cool. Tokyo rising. And it's this beautiful collection of images shut both day and nights in the city. And you got the impression looking at models are just taking these fleeting moments of solitude in oven space, looking taxi window catching the breeze as they cross the road. But was there. I mean, you know, we're not Luddite. Lights can focus not leading back to the land movement. I mean if you look at each profile for its union, who is the ambush designer she designs jewelry foods, your, it's how to think of anyone less slow than her obviously that something we wanted to couch in writing about a city like Tokyo, one of the things we really wanted to do looking at Tokyo in this issue is thinking about how it gets represented as a police. So the peace I'm probably proudest of the issue is very long essay, we have by the rights in Waco Fuji, who grew up in Tokyo, and she writes for us about. Why is Tokyo's a cities, so linked to disaster narratives to the idea of the apocalypse to zilla destroying the city and being rebuilt? And she kind of looks at why both from within the country. And also western perspectives on it have kind of created that narrative of the city. So that's something. Yeah, we've been really interested in doing approaching Teich. How do you think that kinfolk differs from other publications in the way that you are approaching the Japanese capital? The way we've tried to do. It is the same age of the direction has come from team in Tokyo, semi of contributors full the section in Tokyo city guides. We've got a dozen places in this kind of, you know, beautiful long City Guide that runs across. Something light doesn't spreads in the magazine and dies a writer who is from has roots in both Tokyo, and Portland appropriately for Kim fake and kind of, you know, trudge the streets for two weeks compiling the list of places. So, yeah, I don't know to what extent that differs, but I know that's what was really important to us. I think from an aesthetic perspective. I know the director Christian has been very suitable with the color palette, but he's used it's very rich plays with these dark tones, and reddish Browns and golden Browns, and they're really beautiful colors that you associate with being kind of set in old kiss ten in Tokyo. We're not looking the reg moon, rising. So, yeah, I, I really hype we've done it. Well, I think I'll take you at it is a proud of it, and it will be a new stance in Japan. So. Hopefully we've got it right. You just mentioned City Guide in the magazine. Can you get us through a few of the places you've decided to feature? Yeah, the City Guide is incredibly diverse. So it ranges from som conceptually very interesting. But quite weird locations. Like Maria Cochet tan, which is a bookshop that stocks one single book for a week a time and kind of builds an exhibition out from that not great for browsing all the way through to beautiful old diner, like loan. And I know it was important for art director Christian to use the photographer that we use for that shoot who is Ramona prods because he has such a distinctive beautiful. Aesthetic that what he's managed to do, which is one of those things, someone primarily preoccupied with words can't quite believe until I see it. But what he has managed to do is May's all these incredibly different locations ranging from the ancient to modern look. Cohesive and beautiful next to each other on the page. So a section of the issue, which I found, particularly interesting and very visually appealing, it's called seven cuts and aims at exploring, Tokyo through still life portrait's featuring everyday objects like an umbrella or soda bottle. Can you guide us through these visuals and the concept behind the shirts? Yeah. I think that's kind of the visual side of why was saying before about being interested in thinking about, how is it? He gets represented. So in thinking about objects to represent the city visually, we ended up with seven as he said the pieces cooled seven cuts the list, initially to assent by Tokyo editors was far far longer, and then just went back and forth through process of culling, both like in terms of the idea. And in terms of. AM artistic potential with art director editor in chief, photographers. And I think the main concern was to find objects that struck this weird line of being both recognizable as somehow being associated with Tokyo to someone living in London, for example. But that didn't decide pedal, cliche images about the capsule, so things that could try nice visually like jobs, sticks noodles in so lanterns just to give you a couple of examples of how those decisions got might. So finally, you can argue that there are plenty of lifestyle magazines out there where the focus on photography and aesthetics. Can you tell me what you believe makes kinfolk standout? One of the reasons that can foc- continues to do. Well, it's because we're doing. What a magazine interested in aesthetics should do which is to keep on pushing the community working with the visuals would working with rather than kind of a floating back on what we've done before. And I think that's true for the editorial content to looking to editor and chief John Early this week and hey, pointed at sending it was interesting, which is that can folk was can fight was born under the star of Bama, that was a horoscope. It was like a very positive time in many ways, will not with the details of how the is changed, but I suppose the point is, we are a lifestyle magazine. We remain a lifestyle magazine, but what style means now is necessarily more political. It involves a far more active efforts to give voice to marginalized communities for us. You know that fools within this fear of design within the sphere of culture, say the things we cover now media. They are heavier we represent a wide range of voices, and I think that is the GT of a lifestyle magazine, even a lifestyle magazine. You know, people I think it's still something you've got to take seriously reflection of the times, we live in and yet, I'm proud. I'm really proud that can folk continues to evolve and, you know, hopefully be successful, because it is. Thinking in a conscious and hopefully with some measure of self awareness about those changes daily sent visiting the king folk office in Copenhagen, and remember king, folks summer issue, which is Tokyo themed is out today. Two fronts now where new quarterly tied to has been launched. It's called dig MAG, and it contains a hundred ninety six pages trying to study a country. Many find mystery France, cleverly added to the by way, the titles I issue has been a success. I spoke to him to find out more about the diga MAG soi. They pleasure to have you here, Monica twenty four were always very excited when new magazines come out on the new stance. And I've seen a copy of your magazine looks, it looks very beautiful. But tell us what's behind of the Dc, original idea is to make a move. I mean, a mixture of Gook and gizine and the although ide- is to make it up to a weekly paper called wrong. I don't know if out of it long. It's a weekly paper and it has been founded by Eric. Photo, Renault five years ago and tell us about the process of founding kind of the dig was it through kind of a successful fundraising? And that's how I issues coming out through right? The reason the success of the fundraising is linked to the success of rural new weekly in France. It's a weekly pay and it is one subject you can read in one hour. And with different visions different contributions different authors, also could be journalist, but as well as intellectuals or academy and writers, and this was your original idea of the on and dig. It's the same idea is the idea to, to tell how friends is really to make reports to make interviews with academics. And to let writers writing stories novels. I mean PC's are literature or portraits. Let's the basic idea, and it's the fun rising is such a success. It's because I think because was a success. Ide- is to continue this adventure in another form, which is a Mook, which is a review that leash four times a year. That's what was going to say. Well, what's the format of the magazine, because inner this, a lot of pages, one hundred ninety six pages. So it will come every quarter and what's the circulation and the business plan because I guess the magazines doesn't have ads, right? Circulation for the first issue. We have sold already fifty thousand copies, which is far more than what we have planned because the business plan is. Is for twenty five thousand issue. So we make a double thirsty shoe. So it's a huge success for us, and people back as making a lot of money about two hundred seventy thousand francs for contribution on the foreign territory basis. That's fantastic. And also, give us a preview of the type of stories you covert in the first issue. I three is just after, you know, the what was called the yellow vest, movement ghetto best crisis. It is an amazing crisis in France because nobody understand why we have these crises nobody forecasts this crisis. And so there is Sprungli need to understand why such a movement search of protest. Esters can appear in France. So there is a need to understand. And so the idea of the first issue is to give some keys to the public and more to give solutions if France is Barkley broken. If France is bring a lot of social Ryan economies and Reginald programs. What would the solutions of these travel of these issues? And so we we listed several experiences. Several portrait's of people who are already fighting for a better live, better social, relation better, where of developing country and rethinking it and for. So I have a question I was in Peres recently, and I walked around, you know, the. Kiosks where you buy magazines. Okay. You know, I'm sure every country's its own crisis. But it's it looks to me very healthy. I saw quite a lot of new titles in France. So, you know, how do you see the print media in your country is print reprinted media is more as in the same situation as a new K so we have big crisis for daily papers and big crisis for weekly papers. But the idea now is to make a new kind of journalism kind of journalism, which brings solutions, which carry some oak, and Z I ide- is to make a new new kind of stories and you can probably shit on the wire contentious on the on the worldwide web that you can also publishes on print but. If he do that, you have to offer to the Mark at a very good drawer was for two ref. You have to of a product, which is high class product, very where down, and they were printed as pretty as the book, and so you have to have great your life or of regal and of achievement for, for these kind of products, which are for I will say, educated, people, and upper-class people that was consumer, they, they're the second issue of the dig will be the new stance on the thirteenth of June. And finally, on the show and exciting time to showcasing the best of Baltic, and eastern European coacher Jessica magazine features specific theme every issue. The current one is all about love sex and gender, the magazine's editor in chief a narrow. Sova tells me more an arrow Sopher franchesca magazine. Welcome to Monaco twenty four into the stack and congratulations for your beautiful magazine, as well. Tell me I what is the meaning of the name by the way means havoc chaos mess. Maybe it's hard to actually directly translate. But there is my chosen aim is because we felt it represents the young creative energy that is coming out from the Baltics, and otherwise eastern Europe. So it is interesting because, of course, you're lot VN. And if in the magazine, you know, try to represent a lot of aspects of Latvian coacher, and it's a culture that I don't know much, but I was so pleased reading the stories, even of course, the main theme of. Issue is love Saxon, gender, some lovely for shoots like the queens of Riga water fantastic story. So tell us about what's the idea of the magazine. I know that this issue is about love sex gender. But what do you want to portray in your magazine way, kind of want to show, a different kind of culture, but that can still rise night with. But also, our main goal of sometimes, I guess, is to support these artists that otherwise wouldn't be noticed because a lot of people don't even have Instagram or they're not, as, I guess, you know, socially connected price say, but they created this mazing work, otherwise won't be seen. So we wanted to create a platform to share this. We may and well who created Mike Zimmer both in London. So I guess we just wanted to share that culture here thought makes sense. So that's why it's an English as well. And, and is the second issue. So, so you being one of your biggest tests already, which is the second issue in a way. How's the magazine received you know the? I issue now is good. I think I was more of an experiment, and then the second issue we kind of went more directly with a theme as you can see and wanted to explore more specific aspect of the culture, loves, like gender comes in a way in London, we hear a lot about it. Maybe back in eastern Europe. It is quite differently perceived, so it is not as opened, and it's not as talked about, I guess, or a moss to kind of talk about things are maybe sill challenge in society, and I know of the other places well, not only in Europe. But that's where talent is from to make sense to gather these cetera artists, and make them kind of explored a topic, I guess, and often those the magazine comes out to you have subscriptions or where do you sell the magazine so we, I'm to be annual? But as we're independent of a sleigh we don't promise one hundred percent per day. But yes twice a year. We don't do. Trip shin yet. Because it's so you know shortly will only two issues. Yeah. But that is the aim. We're also going to launch an online form to kind of support that so we can find update a bit more frequently with talent we see and both photo shoots. Or maybe, you know, our exhibitions so the goal, I think, is to build more stable firm, and, you know, have more contributors, and I have to say, I mean, reading a shoe, I didn't have a chance to see issue one. But it does few quite stab wished, you know, in the design of the magazine looks great variety of stories. So I think you kind of in a way managed that in a way thank you. What we're trying really hard is this angelie a fulltime job, isn't it? And then he kinda do other jobs as well. And it's quite is a chaotic existence. I guess, but the same time we're so passionate about it. So doesn't if you don't want telling the listeners like tell me like one story that it'd be able to see the magazine. Like, I mentioned the queens of Rica story, which is the one that, that stick to my mind. But did you have like a favorite or? Or one that you like talk about it is like it's like choosing between a vase, I think one. How to choose? I reckon, the queens of Ray guy. Yes, I agree. An out also say the photo story by Sebastian Franck has actually talk her because he has travelled around eastern Europe for last few years documented drag culture in different cities. And I felt like that was quite an important one because it shows dry culture and not only drug culture as we see through polls. Maybe which is like, you know, young beautiful drag queens. You know, just openly doing their thing, and sometimes, but like he's also documenting the more challenging part and drag wins who've done this for like fifty years, for example, which I find really interesting. I have a curiosity about lot, visit said that much about the country, the print media scene to Lotfi is kind of a growing market, or is it going through some difficulties? I'm just curious which type of newspapers and magazines the Latvians reading in general. Eight is I would say probably like everywhere else that in some ways, it's going down. The weekly gusty Mike Sanchez still there by print media as we created. I guess is definitely in decline of financial support for is in decline while it's quite hard to kinda get support for it for a lot of our competitors. I guess on us as well. But I think it's like in London. It's about creating something that you wanna keep instead of throwaway on, that is also there is equally appealing to people, so that is, essentially what we tried to do to create a piece, you want to keep, and send just read once away, because I think people don't want to spend money on. Starring things anymore. So, but it's the same as here, I would say, and of course, I presume you planning free, she three already. So. And I do perhaps, because I have to tell our listeners. So choose out now. And can you know, besides buying shops can they go to your website and order from there, of course? I and I mentioned earlier. So we do work with Surbiton London. So we have you can find this and our words, Michael, char, and the, I guess, magazine shops in London on also, you can get it through our website, which is just mind come, and you can find a sense grams, who are quite easy to find. Luckily and for issue three I guess we are working on it. I don't want to say too much about it, yet, just in case it changes because we are commissioning for the moment. So, but it will be a different kind of thing. I personally definitely want to focus, I guess, women, and they're all in eastern European society, because I feel with this whole kind of post-soviet publicity that has been going on. Last five years. And it's kinda died down now but I feel like would definitely seen the post-soviet man like the guy in the style. That's come with fashion. But we haven't heard a lot about the women and their role and especially inciting. Ow. So that's kind of bit what we're gonna focus on, but doing too much more look forward for the future issues. Congratulations. And thank you so much for coming here to the staff. There was another Sova there from Jessica magazine. That's it for this week's show might tanks or editor Nora who'll if you have any comments Aquarius, feel free to write to me analyst by shake at F B at, Monaco dot com. And remember, we're back next Saturday at the same time. And of course you can always listen again at Monaco dot com. I tunes Spotify whatever you get your podcast from, but before we go a little song for you. Let's hear from Latvian Brazilian singer loud result. Oh, we funny girl you've been listening to the stack. I'm finan it was to share and to next time it's goodbye from me. And. Major live every ten. My heart. The. Anna.

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"Son Storm from DWA is a podcast. That's all about how women help each other stay joyful and powerful amidst the chaos of life today each week hosts and activists Annalisa talked to friends and heroes about inspirations finding your center and what each one of us can do to make the changes we want to see in the world you can subscribe to Sun Storm. Wherever you get your podcasts. This is a CBC podcast. Barton I think you mean Primetime Star Rosemary Barton and I'm Alanine up-to-minute. Party line Rosie. We've just seen a lot unfolded over the last twenty four hours. We got a throne speech that resets the governor's agenda as we get deeper into this pandemic. Hurt some very intense responses from the opposition, and then we got a whole separate address to the nation from the prime minister himself. These guys have addresses don't happen all the time the happen in moments national crisis. You could argue we might be in one. This was a way for the government to turn up the urgency around what appears to be a second wave of the pandemic and to try to get zone messaging through around the throne. Speech. And how the government wants to, as they say Phil back better is there any chance the government could fall? A lot of questions to get through. So as we record this, I am still over at West loch not not that work have more to do after this. My T, my TV set is still the only one that is up. But if you hear things in the background, it's it's The fabulous tuck is starting to pull some stuff down. So we don't have to be till eleven o'clock the reason I'm over here of course is because we heard from the prime minister and opposition leaders speaking to. The Nation that happened at six thirty eastern and it was highly unusual for the prime minister to a ask for this time for the from the broadcasters and yet the time and highly unusual for it to happen after almost our long throne speech where the government had lots of room to lay out its agenda is concerns around the pandemic so. You know I don't know did did did he need all that time did? We seen enough and heard enough of the government. CanNot. Just tell you off the top first of all you know where you are. They love thrown speeches and I get it. But like man I'm not sure that I love doing speeches because audience speeches. Yeah. Like the audience is like usually media folks and bureaucrats and maybe sometimes other politicians but like it doesn't feel human like he doesn't feel like it's People like if you actually wanted to engage people, you wouldn't just have a person sit on a chair a big chair by you just read six thousand words and these things are really broad and kind of general gestures towards notions. The might become ideas that might become plans and and and I, and I understand all that and this was chock-full emotions and ideas. National. Childcare. was speeding up working on Pharma care. They said they're. They're going to pursue some kind of long term care standards that are national. They're going to create a million jobs. They're going to buy the world a coke and teach it how to dance I. I. Appreciate all of that but he just like if felt like a really big to do and I'm not sure who it's trying to reach what my mom was watching because that's what she does. She just supports me in that way perhaps your. Listen I think you know an hour long speech is a hard thing for Canadians to have time for wrap their heads around. We are however in as we talked about so many times now an unprecedented time and at a according to the Prime Minister and Dr Teresa Tan that she felt compelled officer at a crossroads of the pandemic where things are about to get much worse if we don't change the way we're responding. So all of those things out for a moment in time where maybe Canadians for once know really did want to hear what the government has in store for them. Really did WANNA see how they plan to fix some of the That we've talked about even is so many times in the past some that you just talked about there. So maybe maybe this was actually the moment when these kinds of speeches become bigger and more important than just for the media and for the people that implement the policy but for sure you're not, GonNa. Get from a speech, all the details and all the dollar signs. That's GonNa come later but it does give you a sense of how the government's approaching things. I think. You know what was interesting for me with the speeches that they spent I know that throwing speeches are meant to be the sort of vague big picture thing. They had the option still to kind of get specific in it. And for about a month or so I thought the expectations for the speech were just through the roof and he was going to be the speech that would lay the foundation of the most ambitious government program in like a generation and I think that's what we got Trudeau Promise Nice things. There's this promise to expand every province testing capacity, which in the middle of the surge sounds like a good idea. There's a promise of action on systemic racism which I think we only way you could come out against that is if you say, I, don't know maybe racism is not that bad. But it's worth noting in general that. There was a lot of big government will continue like we just heard this phrase over and over and over again, the government will continue to have people's backs people the front lines who have been looking after seniors do vital work and the government will continue to have their backs. The government will continue to support Canadians. The government will continue to expand passively to deliver a virtual healthcare. The government will also continue to address the OPIOID epidemic. The government will continue its policy of putting a price on pollution. The government will continue to bring in new. The government will also continue to stand up for human rights and the rule of law the government will continue to fight for free trade government also continue to never give up or never let you down. Me Wrong? All the things of the world this year I get it colossal on, and it's a big deal and they're gonNa keep doing those things. You know it's a big deal to keep doing the employer wage subsidy I'm GonNA continue that till next year. But like we have to keep in mind that they prorogued parliament to say look, we need a minute to get ready for this really big throne speech. So given the lightness of details here I'm not sure that Canadians are going to think that. was necessarily justified. Well, okay that's a point. But sometimes when you are you figuring out what the future is going to be just throw things on the wall and see if it sticks and that might be what they've done with the big promise of childcare. It sounds like a significant amount of money. They say we'll come attempt to fix long-term care, which they will have to do obviously both of those things with the provinces and let's not forget also promise to create one million jobs, which is about the number of Canadians that need jobs right now. So I mean there are some big ideas there but you know it's Just like really tired of how you would know this. But sometimes when you're tired of how you look and then you just go and get bangs just. So I just give you like a fresh fall. Look I think that's a little bit what went on here. bangs the government later regret. I've never done that. So I don't understand the feeling even thinking I can't wait I can't really look perfect all the time. But curious to me that you say that because when they justified the probation, he was an early perturbation. and. It was in the middle of a bunch of really big stories like we still remember the we investigation because of bunch of committees we're looking into it. And all of that work got put aside because they pervert parliament. So it I think it had a high bar to live up to and absolutely those programs are big. But I guess depending on the level of details and we ended up getting. People might not feel that early irrigation was. Justified I get that. They might wonder after hearing the speech from the Governor General and then hearing from the prime minister today is hot. We actually pay for that given that we are three hundred and forty eight, billion dollars in deficit right now, the prime minister recognizes obviously that that is a question people will be asking because he tried to answer it i. know some people are asking how we can afford to do all this Canadians. That's fair. Low interest rates mean we can afford it, and in fact, doing last would end up costing far more. Doing less would mean a slower recovery bigger deficits in the long run. So. Again, some of these programs as you said will now continue in order to make sure we get through what long was pandemic is like the wage subsidy program but some of these things are brand new and we don't know how many billions they are going to cost, and that's where that's where you start to hear from the opposition parties who had some questions particularly conservatives obviously about. Like does it ever stop? How do we get out of this massive deficit Where is the fiscal anchor wh? Where do we? You know why do we just continue and continue and continue and I don't know that the prime minister answered that question tonight but he tried to reassure people I guess that interest rates mean that it'll be manageable and one notable line from the throne speech was. Sort of saying that. This is not a time for austerity. There's no time for. Back. Spending now that's signals. Significant matter spending is going to come. But again, as we sit here is sort of light on details. Now, one thing that you mentioned is from that later speech that he delivered and during prime time and I, guess one thing that people need to know is the prime minister can't just pop up on your like the has to make the case to the networks to give them the airtime and then the networks have to agree. And because for them like cutting into the mass singer. Pretty. Significant. Added revenue loss. So, given the high bar of cutting into network-time. Do you think the Prime Minister justified it? I think that from a public health perspective the answer's probably guessed. I mean he said we are in a second wave and our actions now are going to you know there was that line that he gave about. Won't be able to have. Thanksgiving. We might be able to have Christmas. It's all too likely. We won't be gathering for Thanksgiving. But. We still have a shot at Christmas I mean, that was that was both very effective line. Yeah. In terms used thinking about your actions and what you want your future looks like. From a political perspective because it was, you know just as much a political speech as it was a warning of public l.. I mean I. Don't know it. Was it. Was it what Canadians needed to hear heating to do it did broadcasters need to give time I don't know but. We've we've done that in the past we the media have done that in the past for Stephen Harper, for instance, who gave it buber political speech address to the nation back in two thousand eight when the opposition parties trying to form a coalition. So there's precedent for it and the opposition parties got a chance to respond I guess the question now is. That was their response sort of in Primetime when are they? Going to do because as you know, this could lead to an election. Yeah. The what they're actually going to do seems to be a pretty big thing that's missing I mean air no speech was. Kind of right off the bat thing, they're not going to accept his government's Pergram. Block said Look Trudeau has a week to provide unconditional health transfers to Quebec. But Doug meets things. Response was very striking. I think we have a clip of that I know that you're worried. I know that you're worried about your kids going to school. I know that you're worried about paying the bills. I know you're worried about your jobs. I know you're worried about your loved ones. And our elders in long term care homes it was to me was a very, very strong speech. He also laid out the conditions for supporting the government, which is the MVP wants Serb extended or rather the new form of I because service ending next week wanted. To sort of give the same amount of service is giving, which is five hundred dollars a week. He also wants paid sick leave, but it felt strange watch it because when you play a hand, that's bet strong politically, the next step is to say, and there will be consequences if I don't get what I want and you know the consequences are like I'm not going to support this government and that sentence never came. And I think it will come from what we've heard today from from Jagmeet Singh and I think it's in part while I mean obviously in part because he doesn't want an election but but the other reason is that there is a for the US those wins to their political advantage right to be able to say the Canadians here the things we got for you even though it's the liberal government them and EP. Can sort of shape it to to make it sound like it would not have happened without them, and that is perhaps the biggest political advantage open to the MVP right now and some sometime there's no advantage for the Conservatives. They don't like anything about this as you said, so they're gonNa do it and the block is trying to defend only one part of the country. So I I would say at this point in time. Late on a what are we a Wednesday night? Ten seven election is pretty slim because the end EP will will probably come round. Don't you think Yeah, I can't. I can't imagine them not supporting this government. And I have to imagined the reason that sentence was missing because. They just don't have the position to take a break now. One advantage that Jagmeet Singh had. That Erin O'Toole did not. Is that. Jagmeet. Singh. Was Responding in an address that followed the prime minister whereas Erin O'Toole was speaking from outside his home because he's an isolation, he's he's tested positive for covid. So his speech was recorded before the prime minister gave his speech So it Kinda struck just this general tone of criticism against Justin Trudeau after four years of Mr Trudel, our country is more divided less prosperous and less respected on the world stage. Across this country millions of Canadians have lost their jobs. Many fear losing their homes and too many have lost. Hope. MR, Trudeau says, we're all in this together. has never been more divided. See that the disadvantage to me when I hear that speech is that it just doesn't match up with the with the tone of the speech that Trudeau delivered because Trudeau speech was very sort of grounded in those public health messages. And this kind of felt like a bit out of left field. Aaron a tool wine of the leaders who has tested positive along with his wife and they are self isolating home, and while he did, you know at the top of of what he said reference that and the importance of listening to public health he then got into a bunch of issues that really weren't about the pandemic and weren't necessarily even in direct response to what the prime minister heads they obviously. So it was little. It's felt a little bit off at times. I mean at one point you went off on a tangent about his. His approach to China which how there was a there was a line about trying to get the two Canadian hostages released arm from Chinese prisons but in the throne speech but Yeah I. Would've thought that one of the leaders who tested positive along with his wife for covid nineteen on his self isolating in his home might use that more to you know to criticize the government but also to to play to Canadians Canadian. That public health message. But that that maybe is indicative of of something that we have sensed that has coming and that is that this had pandemic has now turned away from being a fight of everyone against it and that it's become something else that that it's become. So political now and I don't think anyone one party is responsible for that I. Think they all are. I'm seventy and I'm. SECO and we're back with a brand new season of seat at the table The podcast where we have in depth conversations with notable guests from media sports, and pop culture. But this time we're capturing personal stories about the power of the black lives matter movement the urgency of this moment, and really what it will take to move forward seat at the table is available now and CBC Listen On spotify or wherever you get their podcasts. I'm Jonathan Goldstein host of wiretap each weaker invited to listen in on my telephone conversations whether funny sad wistful or even slightly strange. 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This is great I just over four hundred people chimed in on our twitter poll sixty, nine percent of them said, yes. Please bring on the restrictions one person added please make masks mandatory in New Brunswick many are complacent due to low number of cases any trip to your groceries you're met with about two thirds of people mass and one third nat there is stablishment but kind of nonsensical other mandatory were am. person right days I'm torn because I'm worried about the rising cases but I know that reinstating restrictions will likely come at the cost of my friends and family that work in retail and food services jobs can't done from home and that is sort of the challenge for governments. Another person pointed out the uptick is primarily in very specific groups and settings. I think they're talking about young people. This person suggests target them aggressively with restrictions in fines and let the rest of us being careful live our lives as best as we can. All right. 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Why debates still matter in 2019

Party Lines

24:37 min | 1 year ago

Why debates still matter in 2019

"This is a CBC podcast. Hey Martin and I'm Alina Gene Abdel Mahmoud and this is party lines. This is what happens to your voice halfway through the campaign. I mean we are here to help you make sense of the federal election and we we're also here to do as much damage to Rosemary's voice his less than three weeks to go before Canadians head to the ballot box which means we're halfway through the campaign heard the leaders leaders pitches and rose the numbers. They have not moved stuck in the mud. They do seem quite similar to the way we started. Yes so nothing's what's happening with this winter. That is apparently grabbed voters attention. Why don't they seem engage. Maybe because they have lives you know like you and I these alleged voting wise that it is you. WanNa talk about Rosie. I'm stressed about this because polls at least according to the CDC bowl tracker have been basically at the same place at the WH- started smoking paid Rosie. We're at the halfway point of this campaign and we really just I haven't seen much movement in the polls so let's look at the national polling averages from the poll tracker still a very tight race between the Conservatives and liberals about third so we started the Liberals Conservatives service were sort of tied right around thirty three percents right now they've moved by point six percent in favor of conservative so nick not a lot now the while the leaders have been out there. They've been making speeches. It'd be making pitches. They've been expressing their visions of what they want this country to look like so. It's a little bit worrying to me I'm wondering if the parties have done enough to capture the imagination and the attention of voters and you have to imagine in an election that is taking place at a time where whether such our our global turmoil very sad time for the American people for our country impeaching a president south of the border the president might be getting peach now now no one knows what's happening with brexit coming out of the E U on October the thirty first come what may Iran and Saudi Arabia seemed to be on on the brink of conflict for a drone attack on Saudi Arabian oil facilities yesterday and then here at home. We have an election that is largely about a lot of boutique tax tax credits these parties keep promising these like really small sort of incremental changes to your lives and I'm wondering if there is a larger campaign question. Shen that is absent in this election. Is this election about anything or is it just not about anything yet. I guess would be the other way to frame that so I ah I'm glad you brought it up because I think that is something that the people are wondering because when you make a decision to vote it has to be about something obviously that that matters to you and motivate motivate you to get out there and do it and I think in the last election in two thousand fifteen where I didn't lose my voice but it was seventy two days it was a sort of a referendum on Stephen Harper who had been in power for ten years and there was desire for change and there was a completely different idea in the window embodied Bye Bye Justin Trudeau. This is a little bit different. Here's a guy who's been there for four years. He wants another mandate. There's two new federal leaders with the Conservatives in the end EP Green Party leader. Who's WHO's tried many times to to get more support so my point I guess is that there's nothing big out there. It's not it's not that people are GonNa say I've had enough because I've been with this guy too long. They might have had enough of true but not because he's been there for such a long time but I also wonder whether those things that you're talking about the bits and pieces. Don't add up or something. Well see my whole thing of approaching. This is I'm thinking about the climate strikes. Millions of people have been coming out to those massive numbers here in Toronto in Montreal all the way across Canada. There is something there that is motivating a lot of people we're not at least from the numbers. Ah for at least from the polling numbers we're not seeing the same kind of excitement about the offerings of political parties for example so seems to be this disconnect between Canadians who are clearly paying attention to a to a a larger question yeah in at least one topic area but not when it comes to this election yeah yeah I mean we had sort of a week of climate built around around some of those big protests that you're talking about and I noticed the engagement of people obviously sleet and agree that people are worried about climate change and and sort of had a moment where I thought oh maybe this is it. Maybe this is the thing that we're going to make a decision on the Green Party. Leader Elizabeth may likes to say that if we don't do something now it'll be too late right. What we can avoid is having them become so catastrophic that human civilization collapses with a lifetime of our children? This is not hyperbole and certainly the offer the policy offers on climate change or art drastically different different so you can you can make an informed decision about how you think is the best way to tackle climate change all that to say though that didn't happen. I. I don't think that this election shen is about climate change or just about climate change or that the people that we saw in the streets have now become all the people running to the ballot box to vote so the climate climate change didn't move the dials that much the black face incident didn't move the dial that much all these boutique tax credits rolling out you know the liberal saying we'll give low income voters to grant to go visit. National Parks conservatives bringing back income sprinkling that these promises that the rolling out while I guess interesting according to the Party's saying you WanNa go for these voters voters was kind of looking at this being like I'm not I don't know they're not moved by it yeah or or they might be moved by it. add up to something yes yeah so. I think one of two things you look at the boutique tax credits that largely the conservatives have put in place or tax breaks that the liberals have have put in place and you say to yourself. Oh I would get something from that. You know I do want fitness tax credit for my kid or do the public transport tax credit. Those are both conservative measures so that's enough for me. That's enough for me to make decision to vote for you right like that's something that impacts my life directly and I feel like this will help me or it becomes a bigger conversation about about what you just said. All those things add up to something so conservatives believe that there should be less government in our lives so that's why they take all those tax credits credits to give the money back to you so you can start making decisions rather than creating programs so conservatives for conservatives that division get out of the way and let Canadians look after themselves and let us take care of the country and make sure things are okay here for the Liberals. It's obviously a different vision and and it would be a similar vision on the left right they andy me and the Greens we're GonNa make your life easier by creating things to help you whether it be systems gums or programs or whatever and so maybe that's the vision but how do you put that on a bumper sticker. You certainly don't you you know Roland at around. Maybe like twenty different small ads. I think this is a little bit of what our life is like now. Politicians will assemble these very targeted targeted policies that are like wow this policy will get the votes of these people and these people and these people and then through that you can assemble some kind of coalition. That looks like Oh that's enough to get you know this number of seats those numbers votes. I'm wondering though if if that is enough well I'm wondering if there's any inspiration in this. Are People going to be jumping at the post be like let me vote for very small incremental changes might benefit the slight way so I would. I would ask the question does every election have to be about something big that would be my first question okay and my my next question would be maybe those things that seemed tiny are actually big to the person right like for as. I said maybe there's little things there that that are big enough to affect a person and let's be honest if we saw a different government than the one we have now. If it was conservative green in our end EP things would look different not not when you wake up the next day but pretty quickly the country would start to move in a different direction and you would start to see that whether it be on the climate policy how they approach Y- foreign affairs You know what what you get in your income tax bracket hit all that kind of stuff so it's it's. Maybe not just what one little thing looks like to you which might be enough which might be enough of vision for you but I I think it's it's a good question to ask is. What would the country look like then you know six months from now if I went with this party that that'd be a good question to ask yourself? I guess I just keep thinking of the song I need a hero and I and I'm wondering if any voters order singing the songs themselves or is this just more much more of a yeah. This election doesn't need to be that big. I just need to see these changes in my life and maybe that's a valid way. The vote will try to get behind it and maybe it's. Maybe it's just too soon like maybe people just don't get tuned in the campaign. I know but not everyone is as not says as we are who people are buying groceries or getting the kids to swim lessons. They're paying their bills or going to work. The numbers have been moved. I mean listen. I I get that I get that you know I also have a life but that is that's fair but but I'm wondering if this point because because you've you've heard that there's election fillet probably heard the broad strokes of what each party is promising you and none of this. Has You know moved the fortunes of any party okay so that actually is a beautiful segue into my topic almost as if you knew it or do you want to talk about one of the things that can change an election that can define an election that can turn an election is when the leaders have to face off in the debate so i. WanNa talk about debates and how they change elections or do they change elections. I'll give you an example from the last election so so the last election silly long eleven weeks and we managed to have five debates about everything right that is not what's happening this time round. We are recording this. The day of the first debate were just intruder will appear the french-language debate on Via and we are recording this before obviously next week's two debates with the English and the French one. I should say I'm one of the moderators of that English debate. I'm not telling you what my questions are. What is the benefit it'd be hosting the show. There are fewer debates which means that there are fewer opportunities to to to see into evaluate things but in the last election there were or five of them and you might remember that people said Justin Trudeau just has to show up with pants on comes on stage with his pants on he'll probably exceed expectations but the lowering of but he also took moments to paint a stark picture of what he was about versus what Stephen Harper was about so Stephen Even Harper the conservative leader obviously and the Prime Minister and Justin Trudeau faced off around a piece of legislation that conservatives put in place called see twenty four and essentially allowed allowed the government to strip a dual national of their Canadian citizenship. If they had done something bad or they had done something wrong and the idea was that it created different tiers of Canadians because you could treat one one way and another Canadian is a Canadian you devalue. Do you devalue the citizenship of every Canadian dramatic moment because last election was not just about change but it was also about values news and that was one one moment where you saw what was on offer the two different things very starkly on that issue and I I'm not saying won the election action right. I don't know that any debate could do that but I think it was. a key moment for him. I appreciate you saying that. It didn't him the election. The reason for that is because not that many people watch the debates. I would really hate to say that in the company of a debate moderator so please ignore it will be the exception exception yes millions of Canadians coast to coast to coast but right so debates themselves are not that widely watched they never have been they've largely been the purview of this kind of crowd on the crowd who follows the minutiae of politics however the narratives that form after the EH so the way that the media is covering the debates and being really significant so in in that sense the baser really dangerous territory for incumbents because they have everything to lose and really nothing to gain. It's like if you show up an answer. The questions correctly congratulations. You're the prime minister. It's a little bit your job whereas if if you are Jagmeet Singh if you're into sheer of your Elizabeth may you have quite a bit Monday. Oh of course you have quite a bit to gain from this this moment because people may not be necessarily familiar with you as a person or have a hard time people are not familiar with Elizabeth may she's been leaders in two thousand six but certainly for Andrew Scheer relatively newly same as Jagmeet Singh and Maxime Bernier. There's there's a lot to be gained here. There is is because while it doesn't win elections. It does shape perceptions which is what you're talking about and the next day the punditry of the land weigh in on whether there was that knockout punch and there really isn't on our weather someone outperformed someone else or someone you know had had disastrous performance and that does get sort of own a loop on social feeds podcasts TV and that's where people start to see it and then something sort of starts to change in their mind. I think that's the potential risk or benefit certainly the moment in twenty seven election when Michael Ignatieff went into the debates the the conservatives tried to paint him as a sort of like intellectual at touch dude and the debates kind of proved that point or at least as a narrative around them to release had yeah he speaks in in this realm that doesn't really exist like for if you're going to promote it abroad as we should. You've you've got the respected at home your man who will shut down anything you cannot control. That's the core of your vision of government and it's inimical hostile a to the values of democracy on which this country has mystic knight if this is simply not true Canada's one of the most are there any famous debating knock on movies. You WanNa talk well so you were the one that wanted me to it but it is the one that everybody talks about from nineteen eighty four so I was eight and you was not born. I was negative negative so we did have to go and rewatch it because we're not gonNA pretend we were watching it at the time so in nineteen eighty that moment in nineteen eighty-four John Turner Liberal leader Brian Rooney the Progressive Conservative leader who would come go on to become prime minister had that that clash over those patronage appointments and that one line has really become I catch phrase's and even for people who were apparently you had an option sir to say no and you chose to say yes the old attitudes and the old stories of the Liberal Party that Sir if I may say respectfully that is not good enough for Canadian. I had no option. I was able people do point to that moment as a moment that changed the election pretty radically and they make fun of it but I actually actually have a Gif of that on my phone that I use quite often really. I'm one of those people oh man. I think you might be more political minded than I am. I don't possible so justin. Trudeau clearly is the incumbent and maybe has the most to lose because he has to defend a record. Where do you think how do you think the others are going into. Let's take the french-language out of it because not then becomes a whole conversation about who speaks French better but let's. Let's take the french-language debate out of. How do you think they're going to do. Well the first debate of this season. The Mcclain's debate Justin Trudeau was not yes there was there was actually quite a bit of buzz about Doug meets things performance again. It's that sort of low expectations thing. Jagmeet Singh had not done that many public sort of speeches up until that point then he showed up he performed pretty well now now it's legislated its legislative discrimination and it's sad and it's hurtful and I think about all the people that wanted to pursue becoming an educator or maybe wanted to become a lawyer or judge in how it's telling them that they are less worthy. They don't belong and I think what I saw that there was a feeling that the andy piece floor is just GonNa fall out and this election but people at least the narrative after that debate was that then DP portions would be okay. They're not gonNA have a you know an utter and complete collapsed is because he did all right and I think if he does he who's able to do that again. At the more widely watched debates then they became only go up and maxine Bernie who is the leader of the very the newly formed people's Party of Canada fought his way into this debate and that's potentially problematic for Andrew Scheer because maxine Bernie on the political spectrum would be further due to the right of Andrew Scheer making that debate potential very interesting. He's used to taking the jabs at a trudeau dozen every day but when you have someone coming at you from you right does change your perspective well. I think that's the target on on Andrew Cheers back that he wouldn't have had before at all you know so of them. I would say Elizabeth. May's got the most debate experience she's done it. Probably the OH so hasn't been invited to every debate at someone who's just had an interview with her. It's pretty clear that she is she is trying to win the balance of power if possible OSPEL and just trying to win more influence. So how much damage does she want to do to someone who she might end up working with. I think is something we should watch on Monday right. So do you think people should watch in an election like this where the numbers having moved that much right now make up your own mind. This is one way for you to make up your mind. If you haven't been acquainted waited with the leaders. This is one way for you to see how they perform how warm they are. How strong of a leader they are. How clear their answers are directly from from them? All should really watch you. Moderated debate well the good news without giving away anything about the debate. The good news is that my job is to stay out of the way so it is. It's not a Rosemary Barton moment or any of the other four lovely women that are moderating with me it is I'm there to referee into. Keep keep time it is about letting these people that WANNA lead the country duke it out on stage verbally that's visit physically and and show Canadians what's what's their what's on offer and who they are. I think you're right that that's the most important thing that you can probably we get from it and to do that without the filter without us filtering over it so. I don't think there's any like that the rawness of that of being able to see for yourself what they're about out. I think is hugely beneficial for voter. We we pride ourselves on having a relatively contained short campaign period and yet when you know people are paying attention that entirety of that campaign period you can watch a couple of hours on a on a Wednesday. Is it a Wednesday. It's a Monday. It's a wild days as wander back and busy Monday. Sorry or you can watch it later. On Youtube this auctions parting shots it is time for party shots so parting shots of course is the last thought that we leave you with on this podcast so you can think about something and then get back to us about about how you feel about it. This time this time will one story that has been dominating dominating just kind of flies around just like won't die I even though you wish it would is the question of what was Andrew Shears job before he went into politics. I'm he said he was an insurance broker. OCHRE aglow broke the story that he was not fully licensed to be an insurance broker. When I was twenty four working in an insurance office I received my credit nation under the Canadian accredited insurance broker program for General Insurance and and I left before obtaining full license. Somebody did receive that accreditation. Thank God the election won't turn on the question of whether Andrew Scheer was promised at my stop however it does raise I think a broader and more interesting point do you care about what what leaders previous job was before they went into politics or even an MP right. What what should be on your resume your curriculum vitae to get into the house of comments? It's because it's so often lawyers lawyers and there's like a gazillion this election three lawyers were were party leaders. Yes aggressive so we should say who they are. Yes please Jagmeet the lawyer with as lawyer. Maxime Bernier is also a lawyer and then you have into sheer former insurance not broker and and Justin Trudeau and Eve Hosoi Blanchette who are lovely producer Ashley tells me was the manager for the Quebec rocker if left so do people out there care. Do you have an opinion about what your elected official did in a past life. Is that something you think about. When you had to to the ballot box or not let us know you can reach me on twitter at reservoir? I'm at Alameda eighty-eight. That's E. M. I. N. Eight. Thank God you do that. Thanks for listening to party lines from ABC. News and CBC. PODCAST feels like my voice has gotten better from talking. I'm Rosemarie Barton coast of the national and I'm lameda mood a a person with healing qualities of the voice and for a living. I'm an editor amused curation at buzzfeed news this episode Let us know what you think have reduced who's to hear from you and tell a friend to wash debate have a debate party. Get some chefs. 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The battle for green voters begins

Front Burner

21:05 min | 1 year ago

The battle for green voters begins

"This is a C._B._C.. PODCAST in the fall of nineteen ninety eight an elderly woman known as the Cat Lady went missing she had a very <hes> very distinctive silhouette and very recognizable and you'd see you're walking into town a handkerchief on her hair long overcoat like somebody that lived on the street. All police could find were her thirty cats shot dead. I always knew something that happened to her D- vanish like that uncover the Cat lady case from C._B._C.. podcasts is available now hi. I'm Michelle Shepherd in for Jamie Whistle. The Canadian election is three months away and the fight for the green vote is on last month. We shared our plan to fight climate change while also creating reading three hundred thousand new good clean jobs that Jagmeet Singh preaching the N._D._p.'s platform of green new deal but what about the Green party well their popularity is searching their winning seats and provincial elections and now they've caught up to the M._v._p.. In the polls some light think its mission impossible to do what's required but we we have crunch the numbers its mission possible. We can do it so here. We have two parties fighting for the same green turf in the next election. Asian is their room for them. Both maybe they should think about cooperating or are mergers in the mix offi Arash has been talking to voters in B._C.. This week for the Huffington post voters there are trying to figure out who to support in this crowded field this this is front burner. Thanks so much for joining us this morning via. Thank you for having me. Let's start with where you are right now in B._C.. And you're with the candidates and you're talking to voters. What are you hearing from them? There is a great deal of disenchantment with the Liberal government whether you're speaking to people on the right of the political spectrum or people on the left the political spectrum a lot of people in two thousand fifteen. I think it's fair to say lent the Liberal Party their vote. They really wanted to get rid of Stephen Harper Liberal majority government who thought it'd be saying that just two months ago conservatives you look at that thirty two percent nationally nationally <hes> they really drop back in Atlanta candidate but on the left side of the political spectrum that you have voters who would describe themselves I think as progressives who believed in the Liberal Party's message they were interested in the Liberal Party Hardy's centre-left platform lot of new Democrats lent the Liberals or vote twenty fifteen election will be the last using I passed the post the environment and the economy they go together like paddles and canoes sunny ways my my friends so those people though now are looking at the Liberals record and they are either really unhappy about electoral reform or on climate and climate is really big issue. They feel a liberal government has let them down. The Trans Mountain pipeline expansion attention is a vital strategic interest to Canada. It will be built if you believe and the I._P._C. Report. This is the U._N.. report that came out last fall that says that we basically only have twelve years to you avoid catastrophic climate change then you probably are trying to square a carbon tax with buying a pipeline and a lot of those voters and EP and potential Greens are saying we don't WanNa vote liberal again. I'm intrigued intrigue that a lot of this seems to have benefit the Green Party obviously the one that's been most advocating for environmental reforms and if feels like there's this rise that they've been across the country that they've been winning provincial seats. Can you give us a bit of a recap of where they're at and what you think they've accomplished capitalizing on this this movement right now and somebody's I guess you could argue that. What we're seeing now is kind of the orange wave that seemed to be building in the lead up to the two thousand fifteen election in the sense that Rachel not least government in Alberta had been elected? Change has finally come to Alberta the M._v._p.. Federally were ecstatic and it seems like the option for change. The Anti Harper option was <hes> galvanizing around the M._v._p.. Of course we know that's not what happened the M._V._p.. There well under twenty percent. They're back to where they used to be free twenty eleven days that the green seemed to have momentum on their side. They've elected Greens in many parts of the country of course N._B._C.. Here they hold the balance of power there no coalition government with John Horgan's and EP government for Green Party announced it would back new Democrats in the legislature paving the way for an end. To sixteen years of liberal rule most recently were the official opposition in Prince Edward Island. There are Greens in New Brunswick Caucus Rena Malaise. We will do what he will be shaking things up and the Greens elected an M._p._p.. In Wealth in Ontario I'm ready to take my sita Queens Park so there seems to be across the country. Provincially the Greens are making inroads that was going to say. Do you think that'll carry over federally though well what it does help the party with Federal Party is is hoping that they can benefit from is focused areas of strength so there are opportunities for the Greens perhaps more than ever before and we see not in polling that they're doing much better than they ever have frankly the raising more money than they ever have but I wanted to add like an asterix while we're staying all these wonderful things about the Greens the end ep when they were basically at the same fundraising level and at the same area of polling we were saying that the end ep was on its deathbed and boy was that ever troubled for the end ep so take that with the grain of salt right like they're doing a lot better than they ever have but there is no majority green in government in the polls year right right. How close are the two parties? The Greens are obviously up in the polls the end EP or down but are they running neck and neck. I mean what's the real competition there well. It depends which pool you look at Michelle so just earlier this week then Nana's <hes> Nanos research poll had the M._v._p.. At nineteen percent and the Greens at eight whereas the Angus Reid had the M._v._p.. At Fourteen and the Greens at ten I mean basically what we're looking at our trend lines. The Greens means our polling far above weather normal goodyear seven eight percent there have been in the double digits which is kind of unheard of and the end EP has been I in some polls as low as single digits they they are close and they're fighting voters who are tend to be quite similar so it's fair to see that there's some cannibalizing going on here and what is happening with the M._v._p.. The same indicators that suggests that the Greens are doing well suggests that the doing badly I mean that's going to the bad media. New Democrats are really frustrated with journalists who are suggesting that losing seats six months out that has to worry you leave. It's hard not at all I mean there's things that we can learn from by-elections but the only election they count and this is the general election but you know like the end ep in the last quarter of two thousand fifteen when the ramp up through spending they pulled in close to two million dollars one point nine seven million I think it was the Greens pulled in one point five million and then we wrote about how like Oh this was like a breakthrough for the Greens because they'd never raises money whereas whereas like the N._d._p.'s in trouble we don't actually have clear sense of what their financial picture is because they have not given their annual report two thousand eighteen to elections candidate. They were granted an extension but what the party is told me is that they a are still generally spending more money than they're bringing in when the report will be released it will show that they are a little two point six million dollars in debt. They still owe that money from the two thousand fifteen campaign they've had to remortgage well mortgage actually the building basically unions gave them money before we change the election rules in two thousand four and they purchased this building downtown which they've had to put up as collateral to get alone for this next election campaign things are not going well. They're not <hes> engaging in fundraising at the same level as other political parties the end EP spin on that is that over different that being said you know when the only fundraiser you've had a typical ticketed fundraiser has been for twenty five dollars whereas Justin Trudeau and Andrew Sheer your are doing sixteen hundred dollar fundraisers in an election year. You probably do want to raise as much money as you possibly can and I know we went to before coming on. We went to their website to see when the next fundraising event was the M._v._p.. And it just simply says there are no fundraising events planned <hes> beyond what they say that they're not about this. They don't want to do it that way. There has to be more behind that as to why there's no effort for fundraising. What did you find out well? I mean the party does not want to say how any fundraising events of the leader has taken pardons. He became leader on October first two thousand seventeen. There isn't that much data that one can look at to see how much money they're actually pulling in but they're not raising that much money. They say that what happens some DP events is they will ask people for donations. When you have like a group meeting or whatnot like I was at spen- Robinson who's the former M._p.? Now candidate in burnaby north see more of his campaign launch and they did like can open call like who can give us a thousand dollars Mook and give us eight hundred dollars and while they were a few hands but you know when they got two hundred dollars quite a few hands right so fundraising is done in different ways but the overall health of. The Party and the real really the fact that they had to put the building up as collateral and that they're still paying off their two thousand fifteen campaign debt the there were rumors running around Ottawa that then ep wasn't even going to have a regular leaders campaign that there weren't GonNa Charter harder clean and the party was really quick to put those rumors duress no no he will have an official campaign but those things are really expensive and that's one of the reasons why they need to go to the bank and say hey we need some more money <hes> and then you have you know the fact that according to the caucus at least a quarter of the caucus not running again so there is a lack of incumbency advantage and you have a leader that frankly is really unpopular. You know it's really not <hes> things are not going well for the end ep well in fact Thomas Mulcair the previous sweeter of the M._v._p.. Set on T._V.. That he thinks progressive voters may abandon his party for the Greens. Mr Sing has now decided he's going to support a liquefied natural gas pipeline so people who believe that environmental issues should be top of mine are worried about what type of society in world. We're GONNA leave to our children grandchildren. They're kind of start paying attention to Elizabeth as Green Party. Thomas Mulcair. I think has an extra at the moment with the he's a little bit ep well. Yeah I mean no political leader ever in Canadian history was beheaded the way politically that he was with getting forty eight percent of support fifty two percent plus have said they WANNA leadership convention. Go tell you that there were times kind of felt like public hanging from the election. Obviously is something that we're now going to be able to leave behind us with a change at the helm and that's fine. I think a lot of people in the end EP are actually having buyer's remorse like they were really upset that the end ep ran campaign that was seen as being to the right of the liberals the last election and so I think Mr Mulcair well sometimes you make is really great points a does you know have a little bit of an agenda and I think we need to look at that from that angle that being said I think it is possible if voters droves who are unhappy with the end EP leader and just tired or don't see a reason to vote and EP in the writings they may go green. I think the Greens also have <hes> they're not just seen as an option for new Democrats but you know I met a bunch of conservative voters is who told me that they think they're gonNa vote green this time that they voted liberal in two thousand fifteen just because they want to get rid of Harper. They're more to the rights but hey why not give Elizabeth may chance <music> so as a strategy if the M._v._p.. Is recognizing that Jagmeet Singh is not there. Most popular leader is part of their strategy to go after the Green Party in a way that we are watching this rise of the Green Party and perhaps the M._v._p.. Is Looking at it as pulling votes away from them. <hes> I think it was Shawntel Baron Toronto Star she wrote that it was the rise of the Green Party that she sees as a mortal threat to the and DP. I think you can clearly see that the M._v._p.. Is struggling not to be in contention for government is it wasn't the last election but to hold on enough seats to retain official party status in the House of Commons and knocked led the Greens become the so-called green conscience of the house of comments. Do you think that's fair. Absolutely I think especially like I've been N._B._C.. For about two weeks now and you can sense it just speaking to the candidates how oh they fear that the threat to them comes from the green. There is a lot of overlap between the two political parties if you think the I._p._C._C. report is like a call for change that really need to take bold action when you look at both parties. These platforms are actually quite similar. They boats ingest federal government action that would try to get us to one point five degree Celsius warming rather than the trajectory that we're on at the moment with big bull change all experts have made it clear the future energy source for our planet cannot be fossil fuels that has to be renewable energy start with the essential step of making sure that all the electricity we use comes from renewable energy. You know the Greens platform is far more detailed than the M._v._p.. Platform but the N._D._P.'s message at the doors is while we need to do big bold action but we also can't forget workers which obviously resonates with a lot of new Democrat voters but there is definitely a sense of the two parties or kind of cannibalizing each other. I'd say the end EP has become far more progressive and attacking the Greens not just in what the candidates are saying but also in terms of their social media presence like you've had a couple of and EP M._p.'s take it go. I'd Elizabeth May for when she talked about Canada being energy independence as we move off fossil fuels we should only be using Canadian fossil fuels till twenty fifty. The Democrats are suggesting that Oh that means building a new pipeline to eastern candidate which obviously is very unpopular popular in Quebec and that the Green Party leader in Quebec came out and said Hey. I don't support this. I think it's very important for Greens. All across candidates take a clear position against the Alberta Tar Sands. It's an oil that <hes> that comes out of there that is much more rehouse. Host gas emission intensive than conventional oil has since changed what she's saying on that to say no. We don't need to use Alberta oil. We can use Newfoundland's oil firm Hibernia to make us energy dependent out east but there's it's definitely a sense of the two parties are more aggressive towards each other especially from the end ep be more aggressive with regards to the Greens and the N.. P. Not only has to like watch. It's like left flank to make sure that the Greens are not coming up certain writings but also across the country where it's possible voters decide that they're going to give something else to try but is there room for both of these parties you know you see in various op-eds and calmness have been talking about even having a merger between the two who or candidates run strategically but in practice. That's really not what we're seeing. It's they're digging in and going after each other. Where do you think that's GonNa go well? It could go to help elect conservative government which is what the conservative certainly are hoping for like. Why would why doesn't seem like a discussion? That's being had between nodes or not. I mean at the moment it's probably too early to have discussion on the left about merging these tea parties the partisans seasons in the M._v._p.. And the GREENSVILLE argue they are very very different. New Democrats will say that the Greens are not socially progressive enough that they're actually rather conservative. They'll point Elizabeth may working with Brian Mulroney in the eighties. What Mr Mulroney accomplished push for us was huge Elizabeth? <hes> is a Christian earlier comments on abortion or L._G._B._T.. That she's not l._G._B._T._Q.. Friendly enough out I when you have demonstrated that they are that that they are committed to women's rights now ubt rights so women must have access to legal say abortions whenever a woman needs one but those author basically the areas of of attack from the EP the Greens thing that the N._d._p.'s not going far enough and that they're the only party that really has a plan to eliminate fossil fuels completely that their targets are much bolder that they we have detailed plan that is feasible. I mean that they will work in part of the Green. Ethos is that they will work with other political parties like the new Democrats Elizabeth may talks about building a war cabinet address climate change bring and members of all political parties to it kind of focus attention on this one crisis that that she believes the country needs to be obsessed with to the point where are single mission is to make sure that in her words humanity survives and the Greens have a plan to get us there so can they merge the moment. No I mean even when you raise that with new Democrat candidates and green candidates that they think the public will elect them. Everybody thinks that they're going to win right that the public will elect them and then they we'll be able to influence the debate. Maybe it's not a majority government. Maybe he's not even a government but maybe it's the balance of power. Maybe they can change the way that what the Liberals Common Policies are. I mean at the end of the day there to parties who on this issue really resemble each other mm-hmm and this is an unfair question because I know it so difficult to predict but with three months to go. Do you see any big game changer any dramatic shocker. That's GONNA come and really change the terrain. Oh I have no idea three months before the two thousand fifteen election you know who had heard of like Alan Kirti who had heard of who sought that the kneecap cab decision was gonNA send the campaign kind of Anna Tailwind in in Quebec. We don't know what's going to happen. Maybe Jagmeet Singh is like a total rockstar and he knocks it out of the part and the debate and people take a second look. Maybe Elizabeth may lands of really vicious attack against the Prime Minister and people you know give new consideration devoting liberals and maybe maybe this is the year to give it to the Greens. Maybe enter sheer surprises. Everybody incomes that with a much stronger climate plan and has all these probably not but you know like you. You never know what's going to happen. We could be talking about a completely different issue in three months. Well thank you so much. We'll continue to watch your reporting leading up to election action. Thanks Michelle was the pleasure and the Liberal Party was also talking up its environmental credit this week. They announced Stephen She bo would be running for them. In Montreal Sheba worked for Greenpeace for ten years and was an anti pipeline activists which might seem unlike a weird fit given that the liberal government bought a pipeline. She both says he thinks he can do more to fight climate change by working inside the party for me. The decision to jump into the political arena is the logical conclusion.

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Why Canada might not be as tolerant as youd think

This is Why

20:26 min | 1 year ago

Why Canada might not be as tolerant as youd think

"In the world moves way, too fast, and we're all, so busy, it's easy to get lost in the chaos of the news cycle. So let's slow it down. I'm tomorrow, Docker host of the new daily podcast from global news called wait, there's more. We're going to take a deeper look at the news of the day exploring new angles asking tough questions and talking to the people directly affected by the news listen to wait. There's more for free on apple podcasts Spotify or wherever you get your favorite podcasts. Hey, before we begin I want to let you know, about a new show from curious cast that I think you might be into it's called Russia rising Putin's. Russia has been accused of using internet. Trolls hackers and even assassins to influence, the west this new investigative podcast hopes to unravel the giant mystery that is Russia with the help of those who know her best Russian trolls hackers Putin's supporters, and even a former cagey. Spy? Join global news Europe bureau chief, Jeff simple on a journey to find out how Russia has gone from tenuous ally to a potential global threat. Listen to Russia, rising for free at curious cast dot CA or wherever you're enjoying. This is why. Earlier this year. Global news released an in-depth report on the state of racism and discrimination in Canada. What they uncovered now, may surprise you considering the Trudeau government has made it a policy goal to address exactly those issues. I'm Nikki, right Meyer. And this is why. We live in a world with divisive politics. Hate crimes on the rise, hate speech. That's the norm on social media. I was called dirty and it was because they call them my skin. There's federal leader, Jagmeet Singh, talking about the first time that he experienced racism or discrimination, and something needs to change over half of the fifteen hundred people surveyed say they've been stopped by place in public for no apparent reason. What if people knew what it felt like to be on the other side of discrimination? When I came out when I was thirty seven I can remember walking north tomato and being yelled at across the street by some young boys, calling me that's the inspiration for new series airing on global news this week titled first time I was called. Well, we interview Canadians on their experiences with race religion, gender sexuality appearance and ability. Fairness is a reporter with global news. She worked on a series called the first time I was called dot dot dot and it focuses on individual stories of discrimination. So I think that we, we like to think that we are immune to this. We like to think that we're doing really well in some, some ways we really are. I mean, we are, but a lot of ways we still have a long way to go far you spoke to some pretty high profile people were you surprised by the stories that you heard it was actually quite incredible NICKY, what we heard from people. I mean, how can did they were and how open they were. I mean, a lot of times it took a while to get there. But in the conversations how they were called these instances of, sometimes when they were in childhood sometimes when they were teenagers and how it's still resonates and how it affects them we spoke to award winning singer songwriter, Julie black about being called the N word on a on a TC bus here in Toronto, an older white women. Wasn't happy with what she would call the noise, and she looked right at me and said, shut up nigger bitch, almost silenced me, said that she was the tallest one at a for her group of friends. So she thinks that when we confronted just look, the most like an adult but she was a kid, and she said that, it, it completely changed. I didn't it impacted my confidence. It made a question. Everything and made a question the coil of her hair. She didn't wear braids till very recently. I mean, this is the woman who's won all kinds of awards across the country, his toured. So that was something that, that really has affected her to the state. It's really impacted her music. But at one point, it silenced her, I mean, she felt like she wasn't strong enough to speak out against injustice, and now and now she does just that God, it's all what, how powerful memories are. Jagmeet Singh number of votes. Thirty five thousand. Sixty six. You're looking at the new leader of the party of candidate jug, meets, sing Jagmeet Singh. You spoke to him as well. Did you get the impression that the discrimination he faced as a youth? Drove him to want to get into politics as an adult. Him up for sure. One hundred percent. I mean, he, he says that totally made him sensitive to people's plight to, to how minority communities are treated to how it feels to be, you know, the other. So for him for sure, and what's interesting about his case is that I mean he talked to us about how his turban was pulled off how it with he was called dirty, and he remembers he he felt like had to wash skin because of the color of it, and then how he was he was treated by people. But the interesting part is, I mean, very recently, you'll remember that viral video of a woman, you know, accusing him of bringing sharia law to, to Canada and you know how how he didn't say to her, look, I'm not Muslim Sikh b because he said, you know, all minority communities are met with this, and we're not different from each other. We're actually very similar. This is this. So just once again, let's just what do we believe in? We believe in loving Kirsch, right? Responded with the word love and courage. And he kept saying that because he believes that that's how the kind of get people to foster understanding in for people to change. Absolutely. We do you live in a society. We live in a country where he'd crimes are on the rise. More. So in certain minority groups, we live in a society, where where we see divisive politics, even in Canada. Not just in the states, and we also live somewhere, where it's the norm to see hateful language and hateful speech on social media. I've worked in news for twenty years. I've never encountered the kind of language encounter that I've encountered the past few years. So this exists, and without explaining to people how it makes us feel how it feels to be on the other end, we can't build bridges, which is what we really need to do. Do you think that there's been a change in the amount of discrimination, that's being shown, or do you think the way in which it's being presented has changed because of social media. It's easier to hear it now and it's easier for people to discriminate because they have a platform. Yeah. I mean, I think that's definitely true. I think there is a platform, but this is not just racial discrimination. I'm talking about this is like, you know, gender all kinds of stuff. But people feel like they can say it more people feel like they've, they've been given an okay to feel this way to say this to have these conversations out loud where maybe they wouldn't have in the past, you know, maybe it was blatant discrimination, thirty forty years ago now that subtle racism still exists and there's people who, who just kind of kind of take it, and I think that's what needs to change. But again, there's still a lot of work to do since FARs report. Aired earlier this year. More cases of racism, and discrimination have been. Reported some really senseless stupid cases of discrimination as well. Did you hear the story of a team with cerebral palsy at a skating rink in Oliver BC, Kenya believe that he was using us lead? But got kicked off the ice by an employee of the rink who said sleds aren't allowed during public skates. I mean, sometimes you gotta just shake your head. What were these people thinking to discriminate against a teenager with cerebral palsy because he was using a sled to skate with his friends on public ice. That's just one story of the discrimination. We continue to here in Canada. It's interesting to note, though, religion remains the number one motivator for discrimination. Twenty eight percent directed at Jewish people and eighteen percent of reported hate crimes directed at Muslim people. But this episode doesn't just explorer stories. Of racism and discrimination. It asks a question of our politicians as well. Prime minister Justin Trudeau has said that our borders are open to immigrants and refugees. He made his cabinet fifty percent female, many of his policies are designed around anti-discrimination. However, that sentiment at least to the same degree does not seem to be represented by the general, Canadian population. In fact, earlier this year and Angus Reid survey found that nearly fifty percent of Canadians asked said they wanna see the federal government's target of immigration intake reduced. So our politicians more progressive than the general population is when it comes to these types of policies. Coming up later in this episode. It's an interesting question asked our politicians, leading the way and being more progressive and bringing electric long. You're listening to this is why a national radio show and podcast from global news. We just spoke with global news. Reporter Farah Nasser about the state of racism and discrimination in Canada. There's no denying that we live in a fairly PC world these days, but does it surprise you that hate crimes are on the rise here in Canada? There is some troubling news about hate crime in Canada. They are on the rise. The biggest crimes of the last couple of years have been growing. That's David Achim. He's the chief political correspondent for global news. He's based on parliament hill in Ottawa, most rapidly hate crimes against identifiable Muslim groups. But on the other hand, overall, the number one group that still seems to get the most hate targeted at them are Jewish groups. So we heard some anecdotal evidence of discrimination in Canada. David do the statistics reflect those same conclusions that Canada has a discrimination problem, I would say broadly. Yes. But let me point this out very recently. Osa comments committee studied systemic racism and discrimination in Canada. I spent a lot of time looking at that issue heard from a lot of experts, a lot of witnesses and, and made several recommendations to reduce systemic racism in Canada. But one of the issues that they flagged was that there really is a lack of data we certainly have a lot of proxies for discrimination. For example, one is police forces across the country, every year, they measure hate crimes crimes against identifiable religious groups. So we can say that hate crimes in the last couple of years have been growing. That's just hate crimes. That is not the overall discrimination, where someone may feel that because of their skin color, or their religious beliefs, or their sexual orientation, that they're not getting a job that they're not getting promoted, there's, there's a whole Patrick stats on that one thing that we do know, is that prime minister, Trudeau, he's really embraced the plate of those who are marginalized and. He's based a lot of really progressive policies around countering. What his party seems to view as a discrimination problem here, can you walk us through a couple examples of those policies, or initiatives, you sort of think about three broad groups of people that have historically suffered some sort of discrimination? And that would be first of all women, and I can tell you, as someone who is traveled a lot with the prime minister around the world to summit after summit, he really stands out in international fora, when he talks about being, quote, feminist prime minister, and how he's committed to gender-based analysis in his budget gender-based analysis of his legislation any comments about how a man looks is not even an eyelash worth of the kind of systemic discrimination that women face every single day in any workforce. Some people may roll the rise at this in this country, but it gets a lot of attention because it's so rare. And so unique when he is it international someone he was in Davos, Switzerland. I was there with him at the World Economic Forum. Prime minister also told leaders in Davos to tackle inequality or risk failure. The next -nificant one is systemic racism against digits peoples in this country. And we, we have a long and often said and sorry history of discrimination against indigenous people. We have seen the prime minister offer apologies to residential school survivors apologies to those Newfoundland, labrador, I humbly stand before you to offer a long, overdue apology on behalf of the government of Canada and all Canadians. He has given mandate letters to all his cabinet ministers, saying that mission of reconciliation is will be at the heart of everything. We do. And then I guess, the third area would be refugees chiefly Muslim refugees from the Middle East from Syria, very famously the first group of refugees came from Syria arrived at Toronto's Pearson airport. And our prime minister was there on hand to greet them to present them with clothing to welcome them to Canada. This is a wonderful night, where we get to show, not just a plane load of new Canadians. What Canada's all about we get to show the world and again, outside candidate United States. When I travel with him to the UK to Asia that image of a head of government, greeting, some refugees with many much of the world is, is putting up borders doesn't want refugees. They step off the plane as refugees, but they walk out of this terminal, as permanent residents of Canada. That's another powerful visual symbol. So those would be three areas that I think the Trudeau government has worked to address the issue of systemic racism, certainly will be people who say it's been a lot of symbols. It's been a lot of virtue signaling and not as much progress as the government would like you, perhaps, to think, for the oppression of the lesbian gay. Bisexual, transgender queer and to spirit communities, we apologize. The prime minister also told leaders in Davos to tackle inequality risk failures. Mr President are so yesterday. Justin trudeau. He's so handsome. He's so charming. He's the future. And I said, Justin, just give it a rest. Maternal love is the love that's going to change the future of mankind. What we to say, people kind not necessarily mankind more inclusive. Tune words setting off a wave of reaction across the country. The Senate has voted to change the national anthem to make gender-neutral the move changes the line in Canada, in all sons command to in all of us command. The new language comes with a whole lot of push back, the percentage of voters who believed the Canadian government needs a change in management is now not only over fifty percent. It is hit sixty percent if it stays there, it's panic time for the team to conservatives are ahead of two in almost every single category, including women and women. No longer are impressed by the look and the rhetorical leibel feminist. Prime minister. He said, the public reaction internationally has been really positive. But what about here in Canada? What is the public reaction being to those initiatives? Well, it sort of draws along partisan lines. And so, certainly, if you are a Trudeau supporter, you're a liberal supporter, you know, this is one of the things that you really really like about the Trudeau government. I think a lot of polls would would sort of indicate that, then there are others that conservatives all use first of all, who again, as I mentioned. We'll criticize first of all, virtuous signaling on a lot of issues and they'll say that the government, for instance, on refugees is not doing as well as the doctor be on the issue around gender diversity, gender equality, this sort of falls in a traditional sort of bait. There'll be many female conservative politicians saying, you know, women just want to be judged on their own merits etcetera etcetera. And then there's the New Democrats who come at it sort of, from the left from the more progressive side to say, the Troodos, all-talk no-action, so for all the Trudeau government has said it's due. Doing and has signaled at wants to do it does get criticism from people on the right and for people on the left depending on the issue. David, it seems like you're saying that well other political parties in Canada are critical of Trudeau. They all seem pretty progressive. I mean, they all seem to be criticizing Trudeau for not taking action or for not doing enough for these groups in the minority that are being discriminated against. Yes, we've been hearing these stories. The discrimination is a problem. You said that hate crimes are on the rise. So it makes me wonder if there's a contrast between the morality that Canadian politicians are pushing and the reality of how Canadian citizens actually feel. You know, that's a really interesting question is a good question. And, and I would have to say that by and large. No, I would think politicians tend to mirror, the people that put them in power. And so as we think about the federal, liberal government, they're in power. Our right now primarily because they have won the support of Canada's urban areas Vancouver Edmonton Calgary. There's downtown Winnipeg downtown Toronto downtown Montreal downtown Halifax, all liberal bastions. And we know from any number of studies that those living in urban cores tend to be more progressive in their politics. It's an interesting question asked our politicians, leading the way and being more progressive, and bringing electric long or this is my view that there is an electorate that a political party says, you know, if we have some more progressive policies, we can form a governing coalition or a government, I think that's probably more likely. Thanks, David Jordan. No problem. Happy happy to join you as of June twenty seventeen hate crimes against Muslims in Canada increased by two hundred and fifty three percent over four years. And in October of twenty eighteen a survey reported that over half of Canadian girls. Noticed gender discrimination. All of this, despite the prime minister's progressive agenda. So is true. Joe out of touch with what's actually happening in this country is he looking at our nation through rose colored glasses. Or is it up to polticians to be more progressive than the population they represent? This is why is produced by John O'Dowd and mean too key. Right meyer. It's a national radio show and podcast from mobile news. Download and subscribe on apple podcast, Google podcasts, wherever it is you download your favorite podcasts. Give us a rating and review while you're there to please and tell your friends about us to we're on Twitter at this is why and you can always send us an Email. This is why at curious cast dot CA. Thanks for listening. And I'll talk to you next week.

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Episode 77  debate night and the fall of Canadas old order

Sandy and Nora talk politics

56:33 min | 1 year ago

Episode 77 debate night and the fall of Canadas old order

"Take. Hey Sandy Eh Nora. It's Monday night so weird for us to be recording on a Monday night but unfortunately there's a little brown outra right. I'm at and so we lost entire episode. But maybe I'll just have a conversation with Nora's audio file later and we'll recreate it if it still make sense it probably really won't but but there's a silver lining there is a silver lining and that silver lining is that we watch the debate tonight and so we get to record episode. That's all about the debate where we learned everything that all the parties are planning to do all their plans and there was like a really robust debate about all the different policies and issues. That are really facing people in this election. Yeah yeah the debate so this is going to be a debate episode but that was a joke. Yeah this is going to be a debate episode. But you don't I'll have to watch it actually. It's even perhaps better that you didn't because you didn't waste two hours of your life watching this debate but we did and we are going in to break it down for you. Talk about the big issues that they touched on and what they didn't touch on and before that I want to first of all show the folks that we met in Los Angeles this past week we got to go to podcast festival. We did the work. It podcast festival for women in podcasting thing and we met some pretty cool people so hello and we were not the only people who were canada-based there so hello and especially hello to the folks Matt Matt from north of the border. Yes and this past month a lot of folks been listening to the podcast. I have a feeling the election has to do with that. I hope that if you like Acre content you keep with it. You keep checking us out when there isn't necessarily an election going on and and share it with your friends. Maybe if you've got folks that have never really tuned into politics. Need to think about different things in different ways are to give you something to talk about with your friends. Definitely share the podcast with them. I WANNA shout out the folks who've given US money in the last couple of weeks it has been so awesome to get To get some of your funds. Because you're of course. Let us do this show so thank you so much to Monica Adam. Andre Vanda and Laurie from the past two weeks and of course everyone who's always ongoing wing who name. We don't necessarily see pop up every single month. We totally appreciate it. And I'm GonNa see you in a week. I miss you in a week league. Oh my God weekend when a senior next weekend because we're doing a live show that unfortunately you can't get tickets. It's too if you haven't already because somehow they're sold out somehow that popular. Can you believe I honestly honest to God. I can't so bizarre Have a bunch of friends who really thought they were going to be able to go and can't because they waited to the last minute just goes to show friends kind of friends or you but in any case totally fine because is it is a live show which means there will be a recording that you can listen to you afterwards if you were not able to get tickets so we will well either see you on Saturday. Or you'll hear what she missed Come the following Tuesday yeah and one final housekeeping note before we get into this super stellar episode. We were segmented by PODCAST playlist. CBC BBC's Podcast playlist this past week and so you may hurt us on CBC radio on Saturday a podcast playlist plays again in the week. And so if you're listening to CBC radio and you happen here. Sandy Nora talk politics they They picked up one of our clips from our first election episode. Where we were talking about the cost of living and so hopefully? Oh you do a chance to check that out and if you want of course the episode in its entirety you can check that out at Sandy Nora Dot Com. Sandy Nora. What what was your? What was your favorite moment? No is that the best way to set this up. I don't know if that's the best way to set this up. Maybe it is. I have a favorite moment. I can talk about my favorite. My favorite moment of the debate was the moment where Jagmeet saying turn to Andrew. Inertia turn to a maxine Bernie. I mean what's the difference really turns to Maxime Bernier and says that you do not deserve to be on the stage. Did you should not have a platform. I do not believe that you should be here when maxine vernay tried to do the thing that all right wing jerks tried to do when you're like I don't think that there should be fascism or racism or white supremacy here and then the the the alright or white supremacist jackasses but free speech free speech. Don't you believe in free speech. So maxine bring eggos Doug me. Don't you believe in free speech like or do you only believe in free speech when people agree with you and Jack means like listen. I got no problem saying that. You should be here like you should not be here. Your your opinions are dangerous. Dangerous for Canadians. They're terrible. You don't deserve this platform and you know what the world didn't explode. Nobody died it was the perfect thing to say. It's the exact type of thing that people should always say To White Supremacists to try to pretend this is like an issue of free speech instead of an issue of dignity eighty and decency and issue of like you know I only know white supremacists getting platforms and so take it from this debate and from Jagmeet Singh response to to this type of Baiting from the heinous right buck that. What is the way that people should be responding to tripe like that? He should not have been on that stage. So you know no no and we actually should mention that for folks folks who might not be aware so. This was a debate that was organized by a new federal commission that was set up by Justin Trudeau. And the idea behind his commission. Maybe we have to take this episode of the Liberal Schemes Because Sandy. Sandy your scheme radar is going to go off the charts so they set up. This federal commission to organize the debates and the a federal commission was the one that picked five moderators which some people liked i. I had criticisms of but you know it wasn't fatal and all of the networks had to basically join in on this debate and not have other debates. This is the only English language debate. And it's governed by commissioner and an Advisory Board Sandy. Do know who the Commissioner is I do I do that. Commissioner is and his name is David the Johnston and do you know how much money he made. When he was the president of the University of Waterloo? I do because we had a full on argument about it this weekend in La. When I I forgot about this because we must have talked about it at some point in twenty eleven or twenty twelve when it was happening but I must have forgotton Martin? I thought it was impossible. Nora says to me you know. He may remember that guy. He was the one who made a million over a million dollars as president at the University of Waterloo House. Nora Nora Nora. I know he was making the move but it wasn't over a million dollars that's nuts. Don't make no sense. And we argued over it and argue over it and then we went and we looked the archives of the Sunshine List and indeed. This motherfucker made over a million dollars as president of the University of Waterloo uh-huh. I'm I must have forgot about it because it just made my brain explode so much but it's just unfunny real before he was appointed Governor General. Of course yeah. Of course and while we're doing this research you also discover that he's still drawing a salary from the Waterloo. He is still drying a a salary from the University of Waterloo. What the fuck is going on? Yeah please explain. He's only you had a strong students. Union oh ooh that's true that's very true and so when you watch your tuition fees going up. No that people like David. Johnson are making tons of money off of your fees. And if you've ever wondered what university president actually does the the honest to God answer is literally fucking nothing that almost everyone who works in the university environment works harder than the president of the university for for like the like a Fart of the amount of money that that fucking guy made. So he's the amount but what. Okay so go ahead. So He's is the commissioner. There's also members of this group and I don't WanNA spend too much because it's such a fucking side of detail but it's actually really important. They're the ones to determining who actually gets gets to put on these debates and so on this board is fucking Craig. He'll burger what I didn't know that what. Yeah I I knew I knew you would notice. I'm so happy that you're going to get to react to this mealtime Rykiel yes the Executive Director of APN not an is the only person on this group that comes from media which is pretty interesting and we are considering that this is all about like the media that they yeah what okay and a Ptyon was shut out in having a moderator when the consortium decided who actually be able to moderate this debate and rather than offering a PTA a spot to host right one of the five Segments Day offered eap Tian to have a journalist. Hold a fucking microphone while someone asked a question no creative content no comment on on the air. Wow let's continue yes also on. This board is Megan. Megan Leslie who is a member of parliament for Halifax for the MVP. I'm pretty disappointed to see that. She has not resigned over some of the decisions that they made namely to fucking platform maxine game and the final person I want to highlight. Is John Manley. Some people might remember John Manley as being a member of the cabinet of like cut San Martin Martin at at the end of their their their terms but he is the head of the lobby Organisation for the Chief Executive Officer Organization of Canada. That my friends is why. Maximum Bernie got a fucking spot in the debates because there are three criteria that the commission set forward and and Bernie did not meet two of them God and yet he got his spot. This is damn mess. This is a mess so and he was a mess. It's a he was a mess. Yes that's the background of this. This debate so so what did how did bring you perform before we get to that. We even talked about what your favorite moment was. What was was your favorite moment? Oh Yeah my favorite moment was I had to out I I when no one asked bring it question because there's an open spot the leaders to all ask each other God if anybody had it would have been like automatic cancel. Come on totally totally. I think we actually tweeted his same meantime because I saw your and my second which is just goofy trio. Couldn't stop calling Jagmeet sheer so weird times to fully off the game. Aim tonight like I mean. He doesn't really avid game. He's generally I've never been impressed by Juno but I was like you know I felt like he was A special an impressive tonight but in any case let's talk let's go back and talk about bringing a burnt burnt burnt burnt Jane. We knew exactly what he was doing. Actually he knew that in getting this opportunity he may not You know like this was his his opportunity to say as much as possible whether he was supposed to be speaking. We're not about all of his shoes and to put his issues. WHO's in a way that seemed as least threatening as possible to people? He was trying to you know. Rationalize Shnell is some of his really racist anti immigrant then a phobic messaging with messaging. That was like you know we're Canadians. We're proud ought to be Canadians. And I'm just saying that you know I'm not I'm not trying to be racist or whatever I'm just I'm just being honest about you know. We need to be proud to be Canadian. Median and Blah Blah Blah like. He was trying to couch his really racist xenophobic rhetoric. In this idea of patriotism and and the idea that it's okay to be proud to be Canadian and why why aren't we allow to be proud but also he just did everything that he could to you interrupt as people as possible so that he could get as much of a platform as possible which is of course what he's going to do he isn't allowed in a lot of other spaces to speak because he's a ridiculous candidate and so he was going to use as much airtime as possible In this debate to further some of his really dangerous idea. Yeah and he he did so. He played at so cleverly that he was right up the gate dominating like anybody that likes one hundred eighty one that likes Bernie got a fucking boner watching this guy's performance since sorry for the fucking visual no and the moderators quite. Frankly were not promoted for it. They allowed him in the first half hour or so maybe even more he got so much airtime I would I would like I hope that somebody out there does like some sort of analysis on his airtime Justin Trudeau be because I would not be surprised if he got like Double Justin Trudeau's airtime tidily because because he just he just. He took every opportunity to speak that he could and he has nothing to lose right so all of the other candidates don't WanNa look like they're being pushy you're talking over. People Bernie has nothing to lose and the because the moderators weren't prepared to deal with that. And because you know then he relaxed or I stopped doing that after forty five minutes or whatever. It doesn't even matter because the most important time of that debate is the first half an hour. That's when the most people are watching because after it's like my God This is horrible. There's been no bathroom breaks socks right. Oh my God I missed a big chunk of. There's there's this so for people who follow me on twitter. I'm like tweeting about it and then I was was like wait. There's no commercials. There's literally no commercials I have to P P days allow for peak next time thank you. That's my request I David Johnston and Craig Keel Burger. My request is that he finally free those children and that they did not be seven to nine because seven to nine was like supper and bedtime it was literally the worst fucking possible time for me and it was a nightmare in my house to watch it so I was tweeting being while had two children crawling over me. Asking why Bernie and Blanchette were speaking such terrible French speaking English man. Okay so we talked about bringing. Let's just sheer shoot all right to left. Oh Yeah Yeah I love it. Let's talk about share. Would it what you think about sheer sheer has no oh rhythm like as a white guy. I like fears like if there's a spectrum of White Guy Rhythm he's for sure at the bottom of it like he was wooden he was awkward and he says he's got a couple of catch phrases that he says way too much like another. That's just not true. Now that's just a lie. Let's be honest. That kind of stuff in. It was kind of driving me a little bit like I was. I was really struggling to pay attention to what he was saying. He has the thinnest plot. Affirmative everybody on the stage and and I mean. He didn't lose the debate. I think that Justin Trudeau is the clear loser of the debate because he also has the most to lose uh yes one hundred percent but for me. What was most interesting was how the WHOA I was watching for? And this is a little little bit of insight. Basil for for Quebec's if you're wondering what's going on. In Quebec the the the Conservatives have been fighting for Quebec since the leadership race and Andrew Scheer. You might be surprised to know. This is not use any because I think we've probably talked about it but listeners may be surprised to know that sheer was the pick of Quebec conservatives during in the leadership race is French was good he was he was comfortable. He was personable and Bernie was kind of more the pick of people outside of the province. He didn't even win win his own seat for the leadership of the Conservative Party and so for for the last two years. She Has Been Building Building Building Building Quebec and tonight I think what we watched was. He lost a huge chunk of the ability of of of what will be his ability to win Quebec seats. There's a there's a french-language distinguish debate on Thursday. I suspect we're going to see even worse. Performance and e Francois Blanchet from the block totally did he walked in there and did everything that he needed to do. Due He'd he officiated the Conservatives in sheer look like a bumbling fool so that's what I was paying attention to a little bit niche. But I mean what else can you expect for conservatives my hi Alison share was that he didn't provide anything of substance. Did he everything that he said was like some sort of rhetoric and of course he was like really focused on Justin Trudeau. He didn't really focus on anyone else in the debate even in the times during the debate. which sh you know? I know. There's some criticism online about the format. But I do appreciate that. They got to talk to each other. Directly actually thought the format was pretty. Good myself myself. Yeah me too. Yeah I didn't love the moderators but I you know I thought the format was great. Like in his focus of to Joe like I thought he was being really honest. I suppose about like how much he doesn't like Trudeau or how much he doesn't appreciate like. It didn't come off as like some sort of rehearsed. First thing like Justin Trudeau did which we'll talk about later but didn't offer hearst. It came off like I fucking hate you and that was the first thing that was the first thing he sad like. The first thing he said in the debate you know was with some sort of attack on Justin Trudeau. It was about black face. In fact the person who talked about identity politics the most during this debate was Andrea Sherr which was fucking hilarious. Nothing of substance. NOPE policy. Nothing whatsoever all he did was attack all night and he had like these zingers. Were clearly placed Zingers Even though he was like honest about is like dislike of Trudeau. Oh most of what what what gave him the ability to turn to that more less Contrived Roderic was really contrived rhetoric. It was really bizarre approach where I suppose but there are hoping to do is to clip the debate and just have a whole bunch of clips of Andrew Scheer like trying to mark almost in a funny way chew? It was weird super weird. Yeah you're totally right. You're totally right like they. They think that they're going to win by playing extremely safe and their platform is pretty pretty pretty thin and you know Trudeau said during the debate that the Conservatives are just trying to win the same way that Doug Ford Winer Jason Kenney one with very very little details on their platform. And that's true. I think that you know. Journalists have not called all that out at all like the focus has been so much on Trudeau that the lack of policy in the end none of the policies that exist the bizarre promises. I mean yesterday's yesterday's big announcement. You probably missed it because it was so ridiculous or maybe it was even today because my days are now running into each other. Is that the conservatives want to create a fucking being museum dedicated to cops. I'm sorry what I mean like. Who are they running for fucking school like Who who cops did they did? They like what the fuck that is a federal election. Promise yes it's not right and so this so. This is where this is where Canadians are really stuck between such shitty the options that you know even people who are not ever going to consider voting conservative they benefit when the Conservatives are actually offering fucking platform in a vision because then you have an actual debate of ideas and instead we have sheer saying basically nothing throwing random shit like how great they will be reconciliation and how you can never sign the UN Declaration on the rights of indigenous people. Because it'll get in the way of of business I mean. He said that in the debate in the indigenous issues she's section and and and no one's going to focus on that I am not in the mainstream The headline that I saw was just that sheer called Trudeau. Oh a fraud and and so one of the things that I think the shears performance introduce performance really demonstrate is that we're really. We're witnessing the fall of the race ace and and we. We were witnessing that across everywhere. We saw that in Quebec in the last election last year and that is really what is happening is these parties are fucking spiraling rolling into the past. And it's like both amazing and super awkward to watch okay true. Let's skip over Trudeau and with him. Because I know we ask people we offer audience. But you folks want to hear an episode on the debate or an episode on Talking Liberals and I think that if we end it through we can shit talk larose for the rest of the episode. Okay totally so blanchette. So I was really impressive blanchette tonight I really. Yeah Yeah I thought funny was better. I mean I'm comparing him to shield us up right so I thought he was better than she'll do set. Who's like a very good politician? I'm looking forward to hearing him in French. I did not catch the Taos. David French debates. I'm not sure how that's GONNA come across. But the like the block has been in free-fall for many years and and like it was anyone's guess if they're even gonNA survive their last leadership issue with Martin Wa who was at the head of the block. So yeah I thought he did really well. I mean all he's supposed to do is defend interest and that's what he did. I mean interest in the way that they understand them and and I think that his goal was to take votes away from the Conservatives which he very successfully did while very clearly clearly staking out that traditional block support that might also overlap with the support of folks who probably lived in the regions. Definitely definitely don't live in downtown Montreal or writings in Quebec City. Were of which there are many that are currently held by by conservatives honestly. I felt that he was highly awkward. I thought that there were times debate that he was like arguing. Things that have been said like ten minutes earlier and it was like come on like catch up like keep keep up with us but on like I thought he was really awkward. Like I didn't really think that okay. I'll say that I appreciated that. He didn't have that really like unbelievable. Polish that some politicians have where. It's so clear that they rehearse everything like I really did feel oh like. He was considering the questions as they came and giving his honest opinion. And he didn't feel like a rehearsed mannequin Like like the fucking Trudeau and sheer really felt like rehearsed mannequins. And I appreciated that but I honestly I. That's how I felt about him. I mean I am someone that has to navigate another language all the time and that other language being his first language so I also off on my heart for the people that are struggling. Oh totally no no. I'm I'm sure that that might have something to do with it. And hopefully like during the french-language debate we get a better sense Of Him but I just Yeah the the only the only policy all highly that I thought was pretty interesting was his response to equalization where they want to replace the equalization formula to be a formula that that privileges punishes provinces based on pollution. I I was like fuck you BERTA. That sounds awesome. Yeah that was That was unexpected. Yeah I like an actual policy. You know what I mean that could have been debated but alas the row last interested Alaska so take a listen option debate. I'm GONNA live. I'm GONNA live tweet the French debate and In the one other thing that folks might be interested to know is that there's a big. They kept on talking about the line in Quebec that the block supports the block also supports support really terrible road infrastructure that super popular downtown city It's it's been ripped apart by scientists Including my partner so I'm really excited to see if they change If they if they do an about face on the gas line which is basically the same as L. L. G. in northern BC which the MVP unfortunately support is that a segue or maybe should do the Greens. I think the Greens are. I laughed. Come on because the block I mean the block is kind of like outside of the the political spectrum in some ways yet but I think they fit in the center. They do that right now. They do center. Yeah that's very good. Elizabeth Breath may I have a bias against Elizabeth me because I find her insufferable and I find her debate styles be very annoying. So it's very hard for me to listen to her with like the clearest fairest possible mind. Okay okay you know what I thought. She had some really great moments especially at the beginning where she was like okay. Can we focus on some reality here. She was really trying to pull some of the bullshit that Trudeau. She would was interesting over all the debate. Like just a comment overall is that Trudeau and share. We're trying to do what they normally do in a debate. But Elizabeth May and Jagmeet Singh. We're we're not really allowing that to happen. They they kept trying to pull them back. It was Elizabeth. May who started this at the beginning of the debate. Where you know? They started to argue with one. Another talk over one another or whatever about some bullshit about how. They're the worst at this that or the other and she pulled them back in those those those moments were really useful to someone who's watching really exasperated at the state. Our voting really embarrassing politicians so good on Elizabeth may for that but B but she also had some weird contrived moments that were like. What are you doing? He can just so confused out some of the strategy there because it. I don't know if they're getting some sort of prep where it's like. Oh look you can really appeal to an audience watching at home. If you say that you recognize somebody on screen or oh yeah That folks fucking not. It's just too much so weird. I just thought that she had a lot of like really contrived moments too and out. No I don't know what did you think. Yes so I I. I really had a hard time with how every ten seconds I think. It's a way for her to ease. He's into a question. She says. Something Super Fee. That is useless to listen to you. And then she will sometimes then pivot to something. That's interesting because she was one of the few that had policy that was is talking about policy and and the the real problem with the Greens is they have not figured it away to properly communicate why their plan is better better than the MVP in their minds and so it just sounds like sniping And it's the same actually the MVP has not really done this. Hasn't been able to do the same either. And some of the two parties argue with each other on the environment I honest to God. I'm like what the fuck differences is it like. Do I have to look into their plans myself and do the analysis myself because it it. It's all very technical and And neither is going to save us from catastrophic climate change and so I kind of wish that the that the Greens would have thought more strategically about what their role really should be in general and rather than like any time that she spent going after the end. Ep should have been spent really really digging into the other into the conservatives into the Liberals I I know that the Greens and MVP are like really fighting each other and a lot of writings. But but that's not going to be where you're not gonNA win one of those writings or lose one of those writings on this debate. She really wants to be a person that brings people together then she probably should have. I've done a better job Piercing through how the liberals have have made such a mess of the climate file. I also cannot stand. How fucking saying like touchy feeling and and loving everybody she is and how lake? Will you participate in our You know our non-political political fucking cross partisan bullshit. It's like who cares the I know what a waste of a question. We were wasted questions. He's like that. It's so ridiculous. Yeah no you're totally right about that. Yeah she she also. She was very thin on all of their other policy like on the environment stuff. She's very strong. She's very specific acidic but she was very thin on the other. Policies didn't even talk about the universal basic income which is one of my biggest pulse criticisms of them and And I don't know if you've got this but she said something like we're gonNA attack cash and tuition and just for folks at home to mission means education. Mike tuition means learning tuition fees. It's probably what she was talking about. Don't ban tuition. That would be bad for everybody. Super Bad So anyway she I think she probably had a good night. I would put her on a seven on a scale of one to ten But I was still annoyed having thing to listen to her. Yeah I think she had a good night. My her most annoying moment for me was when she said Mr Scherr. You'RE NOT GONNA win. It's the we're debating here is whether it's going to be a liberal justice you let majority or Justin Trudeau led. That was weird and that was so strange that she would do something like that. Because of course as we know if it truly is a minority government and some combination of the Greens or the end. EP hold the balance of power. They could of course choose a leader that is not Justin Trudeau if they wanted to and I think that it's really weird for her to put out that type of messaging that it's going to be Justin Trudeau no matter what because for the audience. Who's listening you know I? You know I just think it's really demotivating demobilizing to do something like that. Because obviously it doesn't have to be that way totally and also like like depending on how many seats the block get and how many seats the EPA and the Greens are going to pick up some seats. I mean this. This is a really exciting election for the perspective of anything can happen. So being like fuck you sheer. You'RE NOT GONNA win. He's a bit of a weird strategic. Move Yeah totally very strange K.. and Ep what a great night for Sing Holy Holy Shit he did so well yeah. I'm I'm really impressed. I'm on at so well. I'm not well I thought he was like where I thought thought he did very well was he was comfortable. He was having fun. He was thinking on his feet and when he was thinking on his feet his answers. Really good I mean there was a question I think that Bernie asked him and maybe actually you even mentioned it already or maybe I'm thinking something else but there was a moment where he Really turned the tables on the way the question Aston in. It's such an excellent way. That was like he is clear minded and and doing really really well yeah he he was like a real person person which was like more than any on the stage I I thought that his answers felt really sincere but more than that he kept turning thing everything back to policy every opportunity that he got. And that's what we need. We need a debate. That's on actual issues and besides Elizabeth me and meet saying nobody. There seemed interested in talking about actual issues and I could have benefited from debate between just may doug meets saying that I could. It really is and what the difference was between climate policies. Honestly totally. He was the person who was the most interested in talking about issues issues and in responding in a way that felt really real. Like you know when when asked about you know it was. It's just so strange that he was the person who is I asked about Like immigration or diversity and then everybody else got to respond to him in particular but he did so well Talking back to them I just I thought he did really well. I was impressed yet. The only where the only place where I was less impressed and it kind of is more better overall campaign because this is not unique to the debates is how how he responds to questions about cost of living the end. EP should own cost of living. They should be able to point out all of the policies that they want to implement went to really show how they're going to reduce the cost of living for average people and unfortunately like the he spends. I think too much time talking about where they're going to get get the money it's a it's an offensive. Move to make sure that people are like. Well how are you GonNa get the money right dogma. Getting money from the rich is really important. But he mentioned a lot tonight and I I would've liked to have heard more about those costs reducing measures for families. He didn't mention post secondary education at all The payers really weird actually. It was really surprised that he did not mention secondary education at all and I hope that that trend doesn't continue like come on basic well unless plus it's like a sign that they're about to release an interesting policy on higher education because their policy so far has been panned and they might with a bit of confidence and wind in their sails. Maybe they're ready to fucking promise something more so that would be my hopeful interpretation. But you know they didn't talk about home care they didn't really talk about Health health with care beyond Pharma care so lake like the Canada health transfer. What what are they going to do with They did mention their free public transit policy so it was just it was just a really missed opportunity opportunity. I thought but I mean these were not fatal These were not fatal errors. I don't think I think that his authenticity pushed through the lack of Of comment on some of their more specific promises to reduce the cost of living. Okay so now. Let's go to who the person who arguably should perform the best given that. He's the incumbent. He's done this before. This is his. We'll house Justin Trudeau. Yup what a guy. What a failed night for him I I actually thought he was going to snap at some point of tate? I thought that he was going to snap at Elizabeth May at some point. There was a point where they were going back and forth and I was like. Oh here he comes. Here's angry show. Here's the Guy Salina's Caesar's van has been telling us about. This is the person that Jodi Wilson has been telling us about but he got it under control but he got a little. I thought he was going to lose it on her. Yeah I really did he. He did not seem focused. He did not seem he was definitely not at. He's I mean like I don't know if it was the stress of the night of the stress of the campaign But like he was not watch on his game a fool disaster is but I say he he did not have a lot of airtime which is bizarre there. There are these moments built into the debate where anyone could respond to anyone. And if you've watched any election debates before you know that generally the entire hire debate is that like you can really truly interrupt anyone if you really want to. You might seem like a little bit of addict that you can do a half more time. which is what maxine? Brignone did that. We were referring to earlier. Justin Trudeau neither did that like interrupting at the moment where he was. He's technically not allowed. Even though the the moderators were being super lax about it. Nor did he do it at the moments where he could where it was like open open season on everyone one part of the debate and that happened at least four or five times and he did not make opportunity of that so there were large moments where you didn't hear from judo for really large periods of time which was really really bizarre. It was as though he was unprepared. Unprepared to debate policy and then he actually screwed up debating policy like he accused meet sing of having the MVP the DP having a policy to like build a refinery in Alberta and how that was bad for us as a climate platform and Jimmy was like. That's I I don't know where you got that from. That's just not part of our platform like I don't know what you're talking about. And then and then Trudeau repeat it. It it was it was like in Jug. Meet things things like. I don't know what you're talking about is very very bizarre and watching it. You know. I'm like I'm on twitter. I'm trying to figure this out myself. And it looks like he was either referring to and I'll BERTA and EP policy or initiative or Green Party policy or initiative which is just so bizarre to fuck that it up in the middle not even the middle at the end of a debate. Like come on do what's going on with you. Yeah he easily could have Taken taken apart the conservatives Promise on foreign affairs on on funding on international funding. He easily could have managed a lot of the other Things that came up in the debate and he instead he referenced. The Stephen Harper Way too many times. It's like guy needs time. I mean he is. He still alive like does that matter anymore. which was so bizarre because also both Elizabeth may end up being a very good job of saying you are continuing Harpers Policies like you have not undone and Harper's policies both of them made that very clear threat the night in their direct conversations with Trudeau and he did nothing like he had no response response exactly and and it's like the the veneers falling. We are seeing that shine disappear as he's being challenged more and more on his record you know I just finished reading the Trudeau formula by Martin lukacs and it goes through a lot of these issues that Trudeau promised big things that have not it delivered and And I think you know average people see it. Obviously everything from the reconciliation agenda to their climate change agenda to to electoral reform to the Saudi arms deal to the immigration and refugee treatment and then lies around how retreating people at the border. I mean people can see through this and you just feel that the campaign knows that it might be fucked which I think that the should be fucked. I think one hundred it. They deserve to be fucked. They don't exactly they're offering not enough. They're not taking any responsibility for the last four years and instead what we've been left with with our these skinny fucking piece of shit legislation like the changes to the Elections Act that has thrown third party spending totally until like confusion zone. This federal debates commission mission a whole bunch of of policies like giving oversight to Canada Border Services Agency which was a promise that they made. They couldn't even get that legislation passed because Oh why right Katrina KUSC Trudeau kicked out of his caucus in the Senate and so the Senate went from a body that was shitty but at least late followed party lines of what was elected to now being a bunch of the independence being like not all we want to take fucking six years to legislation. It's like Trudeau. You fucking did this to yourself. Congratulations you should have abolish the Senate which wasn't any promise which is weird that they're not talking about that actually in this election but anyway Also his climate change comments were. We're just so like dastardly like you can't you can't the type of shit that you put on on Twitter Trudeau like where you're like go. We band plastics dries. You can't say that in a debate standing next to Elizabeth May and think that that's going to fly but you can't do that. How how could you possibly think that the Zinger of like what he thought was going to be a singer when he'd like turned? Elizabeth Maine said. Climate targets are on a plan. I've got a plan. That's why we bend plastics draws like. What dude targets are in fact part of a plan clearly like usually when you come up with a plan like probably your campaign plan you have targets that you WANNA meet? That is totally plan. Getting rid of straws is absolutely auto plan. That makes no sense. That's not GONNA do anything to food. And it was just so it was just like such a bald example of how the Liberals have operated under Justin Trudeau for the last four years just like take nothingness pure nothingness directed at us over and over again and so all of those moments between him and sheer where sheer at least came. came out like looking like he was being honest and be like. I hate you. Justin Trudeau Justin Trudeau being like well. You're worse than me. Because and then sheer saying while you're worse than me because and you know saying well you're more racist. And she was saying well. You're more misogynist and then Justin saying you're more misogyny it was just so like who wants like what the fuck like. I did not tune in here to see you guys. Talk about how y'all suck more than the other like. It was really really fucking stupid. Yeah and he did a very good job to play like average Canadian guy. Being like Osborne guys Stop that yeah. Yeah yeah totally. So one of the cues that I picked up on Was the debate around the bill. Twenty one which is Quebec's religious symbols bill religious symbols ban legislation and. I thought that it was really interesting. The liberals it's have totally changed the rhetoric on this so we have a situation Quebec. Where like the block in the Liberals are never competing against each other? Those are two very separate. Britt voting blocks the block competes with the Conservatives they compete with the MVP the Liberals Compete with the MVP. So you can drive a van diagram view really want to visualize the provincial. Oh kind of climate in Quebec and then through the Greens in there somewhere fucking competing with all of them really and so tonight was the first time that Trudeau really laid into the MVP. For not promising to challenge Bill twenty-one in court and made some overture to federalism When challenging Blanchette in fact? I don't know if you've noticed. But I felt like fucking Pierre Trudeau himself was GONNA jump out of his fucking skin he he was like really turned on my talking about federalism at the end of the debate. And this says to me that the liberals are in panic mode because like debating whether or not. You should challenge bill. twenty-one in court I fully think the MVP made the right decision by saying they will not challenge it because the bill will has the notwithstanding clause written into it and so a challenge is going to go to symptom court. It's going to be ruled unconstitutional. And they're going to go and we've already declared section thirty three three. So what the fuck was that court challenge for. It would be a waste of time a waste of money. There's other ways need to be used to fight this legislation. We can have a conversation about that later but but I think that the MVP is is got it right on this one but the liberals knowing that it's such an unpopular piece of legislation in Montreal specifically that they need need to take away any opportunity that that the MVP might have to win seats in downtown Montreal in Montreal in general and and so. I think that they've decided like federalism. Federal isn't that's how we're going to do it and we're GONNA do it by challenging racists law because it's the right thing to do even if it's like I mean true has no problem challenging fucking legal decisions where he's in the wrong like for example. The Human Rights Tribunal that says that they're under-funding indigenous child welfare for example right. So that's a really interesting pivot to me and I suspect we're going to see that more and more as they're realizing that the end EP is going to rise in the polls and and and playing on Bill Twenty One specifically for outside outside of Quebec I think is going to be one of their main campaign strategies I think you're right I I I don't necessarily agree with you on the MVP positions. Perhaps we should talk about that at the next And our next episode. But I do think what's really interesting is the way that People from marginalized communities indigenous communities People of Color are being used is at within the rhetoric rider of all the parties And I'm not happy about it. I'm not happy about it. I don't think it's been you know besides the MVP. I think that especially the Conservatives really interestingly are using political are using people's identities Hannity's As a as proxies for trying to shame Some of the other leaders rather than actually talking about issues That that should be addressed and one final thing that I want to know and I know this is already a longer episodes so I just did you also think it was weird that all of the white leaders like congratulated Jagmeet on on the way that he dealt with racism throughout the campaign with the exception of did Bush. I I can't remember. He may have. I can't remember now They were all like congratulations on the way that you've dealt with that racism you so Justin Trudeau actually. We called them eloquent. You're so eloquent on racism. Did you catch that was it was like they may have walked over to the right is like would I mean it was so tear it was just so it just it was very lucky. Yeah there's there's a special kind I mean. Maybe maybe there's a German word for this. Because the Germans have such great words for like Trudeau congratulating him on converting racism. Having been the guy wearing being blocked face you very very awkward and so we've gone over time but I think it's important Horton that we definitely spent some time shit talking the liberals more I mean we already have. Oh Yeah I okay. Let's do it you know I'm always for I. I think I think that's what people wanna hear. And we can follow up some of the themes for from this next week but you know. Let's maybe take five minutes. What what do you want to say to people who are still considering voting liberal who would call themselves progressive look especially after performance tonight like I? I just don't understand how you could justify to yourself That it's okay to vote for Justin to does party. Not This is a party That is taking a decision of a human rights tribunal to to support People who've been harmed through terrible policies of can't genocidal policies of Canada in the way that it treats indigenous children. They're they're appealing that that decision despite all of their rhetoric on supporting and engaging with indigenous and first nations community like communities like nation to nation relationships chips bullshit This is a party. That has a terrible terrible track record on dealing with issues that are really at the heart of what some of the poorest the most marginalized people who live in this country go through. This is a party that has promised again and again things like Pharma care. Child Care Even their big marquee promise from the last election action which was to end first past the post their promises on on the climate crisis. None of these things have come to fruition and yet they come to debate and they expect your vote based on the fact that this was their entire strategy that guy sheer is worse. How could you continue to support people who believe that they deserve? Move your vote. Because they're not as bad and quite frankly they kind of are because they continue all of the policies of the previous conservative government's. That's right that they're not as bad and continue these really heinous policies that super harm people. I just don't understand and you know like there are people in this debate. The there are people in this election. That are actually offering real solutions. That haven't been given even an opportunity before that for you. Know for us to see what their record could be like. And I'm like fuck. Why would we want that guy again again? Why would we want sheer? Why would we want Trudeau? I don't know it makes more sense when there is a viable able alternative being offered to vote for that viable alternative. Yeah one hundred. I'm be voting for Andrew when I go to Toronto on Saturday. Yeah Yeah. Andrew cash has got my vote vote early. Yes I'm GonNa vote early Nice Nice. Yeah I think that it as I said earlier that we are in such a pivotal moment and if you are a progressive person that you understand that things are getting worse and they are going going to continue to get worse unless something major happens at the political level then you cannot vote liberal in good conscience. It's impossible and as things get worse. Like don't let people scare you into thinking that the Conservatives are just GonNa win there are people that go before between the Conservatives and the Liberals and as people that go between the Liberals and the other parties whether the sandy peer the Greens. And this is if if there's ever been an election shen where you're like you know what I won't vote strategically GonNa vote at a fear. I'm actually GonNa vote for policies that I that I like Or my local candidate who I like. Blake fucking do it. Because the liberals they're like an abusive boyfriend who just doesn't want you to realize how fucking bad it has been any like reading the newspapers. WHOA that guy killed his girlfriend? Aren't you lucky that I didn't kill like it's like these are all shades of all of Shit. They're all shades of shit that can easily be fixed. If the Liberals are confronted by a Popular Movement that rejects they're fucking form of politics and quite frankly there are communities in this country country or who live on this land who cannot like who who can't afford another liberal government can't afford another liberal government for some of these policies like for fuck sake there. There is a climate crisis that has all of our lives in the balance. It's and we can't afford another government that's going to say one thing and do a totally different thing. We know what they're going to do to have a long record of doing it and let's not forget to sort elections ago that the liberals tell you they're the only option but the MVP was the official opposition in in this country. Like there isn't just a only two options and like let's be clear that's because Quebec doesn't give a fuck about what everybody tells them about. What the options czar so? It'd be really nice. The rest of Canada would also be like you know what we're just gonNa vote for what policies were actually really interested in. We're not gonNA care what people tell us about how there's only two options there aren't only two options. IRT multiple ways that this could turn out and this is one of the best elections for us to actually make that happen It took it was a man.

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April 30: Paying tribute

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April 30: Paying tribute

"Hey parents if you're looking for some screen free family fungal. You're staying home. Check out. The story store podcasts from CBC kids and CBC podcast. Shorties are released every week. These short original and hilarious stories fit anywhere in your day from breakfast to bedtime. The story store available on smart speakers. Or wherever. You get your favorite podcasts. This is a CBC podcast. Hello I'm Karloff and I'm Chris Bowden. This is as it happens. The podcast edition tonight. Taking tribute. Abigail Cobra was one of six people aboard the helicopter that crashed into the sea between Greece and Italy. Her grandmother tells us she was driven by a commitment to serve and a desire to see the world and we reached Defense Minister Heartbeat. Saj for more about the crash and what he knows about how it happened. Give or should that be take Cova. D- crunched Canadian companies need a bail out but end. Ep leader Jagmeet. Singh thinks not every company deserves one gone with the wind. The Johnson family narrowly survived a tornado that swept through Tennessee at the beginning of March. They lost their home and their dog. Bella but this week against all odds Bella is back then is Kolberg was a giant of South Africa's anti-apartheid movement. That earned him twenty two years in prison his friend Nelson Mandela said. He was hilarious even as they faced the prospect of the death penalty together and friends in high places when the pandemic kyw Bosch family visits with his ninety five year old grandfather. One man arranged for his mom to have a visit by using a bucket truck to lift her three floors up to a nursing home window as it happens. The Thursday edition radio that hopes the bucket stops there pinging yesterday evening. A cyclone helicopter with six people aboard took off from a Canadian naval ship in the Mediterranean Sea. It never got back. One member of the military has been confirmed dead as we go to air five others are still listed as missing they were flying from HMCS Fredericton which was serving on a mission for NATO today. Prime Minister Justin Trudeau talked about the crash victims. All of them are heroes. Each of them will leave a void that cannot be filled on behalf of all Canadians. I want to offer my deepest support to their families. Their friends their shipmates and their fellow AF members this is another very hard day for Halifax Nova Scotia and for our armed forces families the men and women of the Canadian armed forces stand tall bearing the maple leaf on their shoulders. They are known around the world as beacons of civility compassion and courage whether combating terrorism standing by our partners allies or supporting peace operations around the world. They do what they always do. Step towards danger so the rest of us can stay safe. The one sailor who has been confirmed dead in the crash is twenty three year old Abigail Cobra. She was serving as a marine system. Engineering officer on the Fredericton. Brenda Shoe Chuck is her grandmother. We reached her in Toronto Bender. First of all. I'm so sorry for your loss. Thank you very much carol. How did you hear that? Your granddaughter was on this helicopter. My grandson Abby has three brothers Simon August and Sebastian and I got a call last night from Simon. And he's a grandma. Can we come and see you and I said well no Simon me and GRANDPA and lock down where seniors. We haven't seen anybody in weeks. And he said we really need to come and see you and I said no sign and I'm sorry. And he just blurted he said grandma died. And I mean it's just it's been silence and your brain just goes into this can't be real like what did he just say when you heard that news your thoughts of Odyssey of Abigail of your granddaughter. When was the last time you were able to have an exchange with? Actually I check back on my What's up and we had a kind of an extended conversation on April the twelfth She was deployed to the Mediterranean on the HMCS FREDERICTON. And she was do actually to come home. But because of coded they extended The deployment until July and she was saying how much she was looking forward to her little gift basket from home. Because you know they got dropped off every once in a while and she was and then she posted on her facebook site but she was so delighted to finally get a pair of slippers so We had a great cat that day. So she said I'm glad I love it. I'm fine. You say she loves it. What did she love about being in the navy? She really loves to travel. And you know the old saying joined the navy and see the world and she really did She each time that she was on deployment She kinda got to see a different part of that portion of the world around the Mediterranean. So she got all kinds of pictures over eating Greek food in Croatian food and visiting all these different ports and he was just she was just a lovely beautiful mart talented girl and she was she was in her glory. Absolutely inner gory. She has her facebook picture. I'm looking at it. And she is one beautiful just effervescent. Young Woman and absolutely I did my master's degree in Syracuse when abby was about five and I was away for two weeks and I came back and her mom tanny brought her over and she ran through the door in her red hair or ringlets were just flying everywhere and she's grandma point I knew much. Let's go on your bed and read a poem. He just. She was just a force an absolute for see. I mean you can see it on facebook. You can see the people that whose lives. She touched she. She was just amazing. Why did she joined the navy? Do you think it was about the navy that she liked her. Mom put the kids in to cadets when they were quite young she said they needed the rigor in Discipline So abby end of three boys and then I think through the piping and the contacts that she had People started saying to her that she had potential to be an officer and she should join the royal military so she graduated from Royal Military College in Kingston and was posted to Dartmouth and as a sub lieutenant in the navy So it just And it just suited her personality perfectly way I duNno. It's almost GONNA sound hokey. But it's the call to the. Abbey was the Kinda girl that did what ever she was called to. Do you know if somebody needed something she was there for. One of her friends had a baby. She was there to look after the baby and she just she just was giving loving kind of person and so it just it. It was almost second nature like she loved the Navy. She loved being part of something bigger. And and where she could actually serve. He would have been twenty four in January. She had her own. Home Already Dartmouth She was renting the basement out to a friend like she just she had the world by the tail is thinking when you said that that she would like military people she would have had those. Canadian Maple leafs on her shoulders and what is it? What does that mean to her to be able to be representing Canada halfway around the world. Oh she was so proud so so proud she just yeah. I mean every time that she came to my house she had even if she was in cities she had some military piece of equipment on either a hat or a Hoodie or something that distinguished her as a military officer. How difficult is it during this time to try and get together as a family into grief together? It is difficult when the boy they did. Come last night We put everybody on. What's up when all this began my youngest daughter Suggested that we all get on what's up so that we could have family conversations and see one another and so that was the first thing we did when I actually of course I let the boys come then we put everybody else on what South and we just. We talked for hours. Let's one memory that came up in that discussion. The image of Abigail that that we can share it would have to say the pipes and you've probably seen the clip her playing amazing grace for the folks that were killed in Nova Scotia. She just she loved her pipe. She loved her her her my call costumer kilt and her regalia and she just loved it so much. You mentioned that video of her. Playing Amazing Grace is is her tribute to the victims of the mass shooting in. Nova Scotia and She's thinking of home isn't she's thinking of the people and the grief they're going through and she wants beautiful mandatory in sky behind her. She's on board the Fredericton and she's playing for for home and family isn't she. Yeah just incredible and it was almost like talk. The final tattoo like just incredibly. Poignant Brenda I really appreciate that you would share with us your thoughts and memories about Abigail. It means a lot and someone there for you right now. You have someone I do. I have My daughter Tanya Gills mom five kids and twelve grandchildren so I don't know how he so. I have a support. Yeah you're not alone when we we disconnected niamh not Benda. Thank you thank you Carol. By Brenda Shusha is the grandmother of Twenty Three Year Old Abigail Cobra. Who died in the crash of a Canadian military helicopter in the Mediterranean Sea? Yesterday as miss. You Chuck said. Her granddaughter was an Avid Bagpiper. Just last week Ms Cobra posted a video of herself standing on the deck of HMCS Fredericton playing the pipes the caption read. You can travel the world and still never meet anyone like an east coaster. Glad to have been taken in by them for. I'd have it no other way to everyone. Back Home. Thinking of you her That was the sound of Abigail Cobra playing the bagpipes last week. Ms Cobra was killed when a Canadian military helicopter went down in the Mediterranean. Yesterday the aircraft's flight recorders have been five. Canadians are still listed as missing heartbeat. Sajjan Canada's Minister of National Defense. We reached him in Ottawa earlier. Today generally just heard from Brenda shoot. Chuck The Grandmother of Sub Lieutenant Abigail Cobra. What would you like to say to her? Too In my sincere condolences to her and the entire family and I have seen and witness so many working unfortunate personnel on that Abigail Made a tremendous impact to the armed forces. You know I'm not so by doing the force. Because that's what our numbers do seem think candidates he was all over the world and And we will never forget what you've done. The sacrifices she had made for for a country. But what are the biggest challenges right now in this search and rescue mission because there are others five others were missing? How difficult is that going to be searches on going? I've been on the phone and secretary general making sure that we have all the necessary support and given the current Situation the depth of the water and the circumstances and on the phone with my counterparts as well and all the man but not just offered support. But there is it's actually already They're already utilizing support from helicopters surveillance aircraft. And we won't stop in and we all do the families and we're GONNA make sure that those up entered the debris site. Is they call? It is very large. Apparently and web assistance does this. Kinda have a NATO mission what who else is involved in trying to find a find the bodies and find also more and more of the evidence of what happened. In fact actually We were operating of our allies part of the task force there so Italy is directly involved in corporate greed in United States Turkey. What was the the helicopter doing? Can you just tell us whatever you can and it was a mission? But what can you tell us about what it was doing when it when it to crash one thing can assure us that It was a brief reassurance conducting NATO Exercises that we have been doing for many years in our folks are well-trained aircraft has great reliability. The work that they do their standard Exercise to conduct with the with the forget. Something that the Train on a regular basis with the exact details of what was actually happening. At that time exercise those will come out as part of the investigation. And I and and I don't WanNa do I give them that space to conduct at work but they whether it was reported. Clear the coming back. He was in the evening. How far from the frigate where they were by the time that went down to know? I don't have the exact distance. Eliezer things that are regularly rehearsed practice Whether it was good. But those are some of the things that we just know now and there's even more or allow the investigative team to get on the ground To determine what was going on interview The people the end to end also look at the The data and the voice recorder glow which Which has been recovered? Tv Defense Staff General. Vance said that That he doesn't believe that this when the helicopter went down out of anything out of contact or that it was shot down. How can you be so sure or shift that we have? But you can understand the these. These frigates are have the ability to know when there is witness some exercises that they're going to go through any demonstrate de that ability. They're also working with other ships In the area but nonetheless we're not going to rule anything but it was important for us to be able to mention that just so that people did know what they're doing. At that time he was a training exercise that they were conducting as stated not conducting A mission for when it comes to tracking and monitoring some brains and we know that this particular model helicopter is a militarized version of of a Sikorsky helicopters similar to the one that crashed about eleven years ago off the coast of Newfoundland and we know that the but seventeen seventeen people were killed. There and there were mechanical. Problems cited with that Without equipment any reason to suspect that this version of the of the Sikorsky had any mechanical issues when it comes to our procurement especially this particular. One didn't take a longer to get delivery of the aircraft. The aircraft itself isn't what we go through to making sure that it meets our requirements and the requirements have been met modifications to the aircraft You can tell when When the members themselves with fly or work on the aircraft's talk re positively About the aircraft and watching fly it. One thing can share you that all their equipment. Before in this case here the commander of the Air Force making the aircraft operational and the crews themselves. It's gone to a lot of screen the kind of just ask why but it is going to is now under an operational pause all the cyclones are Are under an operational pause because of this crash. So what does that tell you? These are proven measures. The security of a personal because number on priority and given that this incident has taken place. It's big prudent for the commander of the air. I put an operational pause on this aircraft. So that the team can get on the ground and get the right answers and then make a determination that before to determine which direction that we need to go. We need to go for grounding or whether they're going to allow a resumption of light but those are the steps that we take in we take our safety of people very seriously and this was one of the reasons why the operational PAS has been put into place and have a lot of confidence in not only within our leadership also the ground forces investigative team A very good experience in situations like they're obviously a lot of questions and a lot of answers that you're seeking his well Please accept our condolences for the loss of your your forces members and thank you for speaking with us thank you so much and one thing for the families we will make sure that we keep them updated and we will get all the answers For them unless the investigation is complete. And my condolences to families and the families of the missing five that we will continue to be no stone unturned For Search and rescue efforts. Thank you thank you. Harjeet Saj in his Canada's Minister of National Defense. We reached him inaudible. The Johnson family needed some good news in early March. The family saw their home in Cookeville Tennessee leveled by a deadly tornado. They themselves barely survived. Faith Johnson held her young kids so tightly in the chaos of the storm that she suffered two broken ribs. One of their dogs died. The other Bella ran away but this week Bella turned up. The Australian shepherd had been missing for fifty four days and took some cameras and a familiar sent to bring her back. We reached faith and Eric Johnson in Cookeville Tennessee. Erico start with you. How does it feel to have your dog Bella? Back House the found the feeling about that. Oh it's it's incredible to have her bag. She was a missing piece Of the family she was scattered in Just to have her bags incredible feeling. And how is she? She's great she Took her to the vet this morning and she has nothing wrong with her. They did some work honor and everything come back good so she lost about fifteen pounds but overall she's doing good. I I want to take it back to when this began march third. This tornado hits and Understand Abella was the one who alerted your family that something was wrong. Is that right? Yes ma'am that's correct. Yes this occurred around one fifteen. She won't me up that morning. Faith can you tell us what happened but one fifteen in the morning ballot? She always slept under my side of the bed. And I'm she was wanting a really loudly and she woke Erica and then he said you hear her and she woke me up as well and I'm he thinks he said. Do you think she needs to go out. And He tried to get her to come out from under the bed to go out and that wasn't it and then he said. Is it supposed to storms? Not because we know how she feels about storms and I said yes it is. I'm so we turn the TV on and sure enough. We had seen where Germantown had been getting hit by a tornado and that it was headed our way. And how much time did you have to to get the shelter? Will they had actually downgraded it to a severe thunderstorm. Warning and say we were out of the clear And my husband both stayed up just because something didn't feel right that not and it was at one fifty seven when we got the tornado warning and by two. Am Or house was gone. My Gosh can you describe what? Where did you go? How did you protect yourselves at night? We got the children out of bed. I'm wrapped in blankets. Put them in the Bathtub and sat in the center by Tobin had each child. I had my son in my left arm and my daughter and my right arm and Eric went to go get her other dogs. We had a smaller dog. He did not make it and I started screaming. I told him I said you gotta come now gives you could feel the tornado. Tearing our house up and he came and run and really literally dove on top of his and try to use his body as a shield and the tornado sucked him in the house and he went flying through there and by that point our house was gone. The tornado rip the data about sucked US forward. I'm an and blue is about fifty yards back into the backyard. This people know you. They're your kids you three year old A fourteen year old and a baby that was about a year and a half at that point. Yes now my fourteen or fourteen year old she. That's my stepdaughter. That's my husband Eric Starter. But she was not home with us that she was actually with her mother but the four of us were in the house. Eric can you describe that moment when you got? You got sucked out of the bathtub out into the yard. It was just felt helpless. It was pitch black. You cannot see anything You could hear when the winds stop was when I actually stood up to my feet In realize ahead a a pretty severe cut on the back of my head and I told my wife you know Kim is for the tournament Thankfully I put a shirt on his identity. Tear my shirt off too tight around my head to stop the bleeding and could hear. Was People screaming for help as far as you could hear and I think you are looking for my wife and kids so I start screaming forum and My wife you know starts yelling. We're over here over here. I made my way through the yard about fifteen feet from either placed on top of a with a bathtub used to be was shoved in a huge pilot of abry about eight feet. High probably bats. I was broke snap completed in half and they were just sitting on top of it. Faith I understand. You actually broke ribs as you try to protect your kids. I did I actually found out two weeks later from orthopedic Doctor that also fractured my stern on. But yes the doctors estimate how in the world what broke my ribs. Because I didn't feel like I had you but they told me it was from hanging on to my children. There were eighteen people killed in your county and during that Tornado and twenty four people in the state during that that storm. You survived as you mentioned your other dog. Scooter didn't but you felt that the Bella was out there. Why did you know what did you think? Eric Bella might still be okay We kept getting sightings. How would you deciding about Bella? Probably every every week we were getting one. Get a phone call from the sheriffs department saying hey we despise your dog over in such and such area is just three. Weeks was last sighting. We had and we actually started losing hope as each day went by. I got a call from a lady. We go to church with has been tracking Bella. She went set cameras up then. She called me. Sunday confirmed that was one hundred percent. Bella and she's like. Can you be here as soon as you can? 'cause we only have one shot to get her so we get over there and the Dow drager said you know. It's amazing that she recognized you but she did. She just ran up to me. My Gosh a huge Just a huge relief. It on This actually see her. Get Her in my hands is. I knew if I ever get my hands on her. That she was going to be okay and we she would be coming home to where we live that so it just is huge relief and we remind she's an Australian shepherd dog and missing for fifty four days when you got her fifty four days. Yeah so you got her home and how everyone react when Bella can. I cried when I Rafael yet. My hands on her in his broke down in All the stress and just the worry about her. You know every time storm here. That's all I do is just think about her and where she was ad if she was alive and she was okay. And just just. Here's a joy and faith for you. What was that reunion like? Oh I tried to. I tried several times when my husband called me. And I'm when we got off the phone while they were trying to get her and get her cleaned up Notified everybody that had been trying to help us tracker and People were calling me and and people were crying and made me cry again like my husband says she was missing piece to our family. You know we we. We are all together including bell now. So we can. We can move forward. Could Doug Bella. Thank you both. Thank you eric. And thank you for telling us about her very welcome Lou and then an encore from one of your little ones. Yes he's trying to say. Hey thanks so much for by faith and Eric. Johnson were recently reunited with their dog. Bella nearly two months after a tornado destroyed their home. We reached them in Cookeville Tennessee Alia Fallon and hey listeners. We are the host of a podcast called the secret life of Canada. We are a history podcast and we've covered topics things like the gold rush or the bay blanket. Yes kind of unconventional stories. Though that you might have missed in your Canadian history class. So we're here to uncover those secrets. That's right Czechoslo. Wherever you get your podcasts Denmark Poland and now France have all decided that if a company is registered in an offshore tax haven. It won't be eligible for their corona virus cash in Canada. It's a little harder to be sure on Tuesday. Prime Minister Trudeau said in French. That quote those who evade or avoid tax will not receive aid unquote which seems pretty clear but yesterday and EP leader. Singh asked Mr Trudeau to confirm that in English. At which point the prime minister's language got significantly less clear we reached Jagmeet Singh in Napanee Ontario? Mr Seeing you have the prime minister's Word in French that quote those who evade or avoid tax will not receive aid. Why isn't that good enough? Because I asked him in English very directly and I said if a company is registered in a tax haven. Will you commit today to ensuring that that company does not receive public support? Yes or no and two that he did not answer the question. He completely evaded the question. In fact and equivocating to me sounded very much like a note that he was not willing to make that commitment and what I found about that. So callous was that he was willing to nickel and dime students. And those living with disabilities students who had dependent students with children single mom but he wasn't willing to commit to ensuring that billionaires millionaires pay their fair share. Okay this is when you asked him. But we've heard from a spokesperson for Mr Trudeau's Revenue Minister who says they are reviewing applications for the wage subsidy program for a quote claims from taxpayers associated with tax evasion fraud or with indicators of fraud. So what more do you think they should be doing well? That's the problem is that we're not talking about illegal activities. It is absolutely legal within the law to use tax havens for the sole purpose of avoiding tax. It's not actually fraudulent. And that's the problem recently. The CRA went after law. Blah's for nearly four hundred million dollars in taxes that they didn't pay because they had a bank in Barbados but because he was considered legal they got away with not paying four hundred million dollars in taxes. And we're saying if a company is registered in a completely legal tax haven that they should not be getting public help if they are willing to cheat the public in our contribute their fair share then. They shouldn't be receiving help from the Public. But if what they're doing is legal and it might be offensive to many people but if they are following the law and there are using the law in order to not pay these taxes. Can you not make the argument that they should be legally entitled to the assistance? That's being handed out. That's the current situation. The status quo is. It is completely legal to avoid paying taxes. And we're saying that that's wrong if the government is worried about spending too much money which it seems like they are because they were willing to give less to a single mom that was going to school or to a student with a disability. If they're in need of money then lets commit to ensuring that a company that is purposefully avoiding paying their fair share Haas to pay their fair share or they will not get public help but we know that companies use whatever means. They have at hand to lower their expenses. How would you define it? How could it be defined? That a company shouldn't get aid because it's crossed some line. Well I it's a very simple test. If if other countries have set this test if a company is registered in an offshore tax even an attack Stevens pretty easy to evaluate if a company is putting money into another country for no purpose not to create a expansion of their business to export their product or to grow their revenue in the sense of building and expanding their potential to sell a certain product. If they're simply putting money into another jurisdiction to hide it to avoid in Canada than they should not be getting help we know that after two thousand eight there were a number of companies here and mostly in the United States. More so there who were able to use bailout money to buy back stocks and to use it for all kinds of purposes that assisted them. It didn't didn't get back into the economy. Are you confident that for the most part the Trudeau government has put those checks in place will so far? We haven't seen the bailouts yet right now. The wage subsidy is something that we've supported and we called for it to be seventy five percent at least because it is directly tied to salaries and to payroll and to employees. What's good type of program? But we know that in the second phase of this crisis once we get through the initial emergency and we look to. How do we build a better Canada? We know that in the past governments have given blank checks to companies have not required the money that's invested publicly into a company goes to jobs or is in With strings attached to ensure that there is maintained maintenance of jobs or creation of jobs and also other restrictions like not allowing that money to be used to give bonuses or to give additional pay to executives or to allow for share buybacks these types of criteria are ones that we're going to be very closely monitoring to make sure that every public dollar goes towards workers into people not to enriching the already wealthy. You have supported that these roll outs of these programs in the money is done rapidly in order to get money into the hands of people right away and they're having been usual kinds of checks that you would have on these kinds of programs and the ideas that the money can be called back later if people didn't qualify for it. Can that also happen with companies? Do you think what I was suggesting. In order to get help to as many people as possible and particularly the people who need it the most we should make the cer be universal so that anyone needs it should be able to apply to it and we can actually ensure that those who don't need it or who didn't need it can be tax back afterwards similarly for sort of program or support that the government rolls out for companies. There should be similar strings. Attached sense at first of all I should only go towards workers and it should go towards ensuring that people remain employed and secondly if there is a misuse of any support there needs to be strings attached so that they can be returned or that there is a remedy so that there is a penalty equal to the amount that was given so that companies are held to account and not able to receive money and use it to close down factory and open up in another jurisdiction in another country like we seen in the past with the two thousand eight crisis where the conservative government gave billions of dollars to certain companies. I can think of one example Caterpillar in London and they receive. The money closed down the factory in opened up another caterpillars factory in the US and all the jobs were lost but there was no way to recover the money. That can't happen. There's this thing we will leave it there. Thank you thank you so much jagmeet. Singh is the leader of the end. Ep We reached to monopoly Ontario. There's something to be said for gallows humor and the South African anti-apartheid act. His Denis Goldberg had a knack for it that is according to a friend of his named Nelson Mandela in nineteen sixty four. Mr Goldberg was on trial alongside Mr Mandela and several others facing charges of treason and a potential death sentence for participation in the armed wing of the African National Congress. The situation was extremely serious. But in Mr Mandela's words Denis Goldberg had quote an irrepressible sense of humor and often had US laughing when we should not have been unquote Denis. Goldberg died yesterday at the age of eighty seven. He spent twenty two of those eighty seven years imprisoned in near total isolation but he emerged just as committed to the cause of equality in South Africa as he had ever been here. Is Dennis Goldberg in an interview with Anna Maria tramonte on the current in two thousand twelve again to defeat apartheid racism. We gain to overcome this huge exploitation of essentially black workers but also people who are called colored people are called Indian in South Africa people who are not white. We were going to overcome that. We were going to have a socialist South Africa. At least as the very least we would have a social democratic South Africa. You Know Dennis Goldberg. It's worth noting. You are white and Jewish as well as being South African. Why did you put your life on the line for a cause when you could have lived in South Africa unaffected by apartheid laws? Impossible to live unaffected by it as a tenure road. I came home from school to us by parents. Why did the book says that all grownups convert for their representatives in parliament? When I knew it was on the watts why were they lying to me because it meant black people were people and now people and if as a ten year old nineteen forty-three Stalingrad? Battle of Alamein? All of these things. We're fighting the Nazis fighting racism in Europe. We fight it in Europe. We send people to die to do it. Why do we tolerate racism at home? And once you've seen through the Vale you can't go back you were standing next to Nelson Mandela and Walter. Sisulu when your sentences were handed down I. Can you recall how you felt at that moment? Where Lucy Nelson Mandela made his famous speech from the dock which ended by saying if you remember that his ideal was a society where we could live together and there was an ideally hope to live to see a change because there was no doubt the state wanted to hang us in the white media which would dominant wanted. Us hanged and he ended by saying that if needs be it was an ideal for which he was prepared to die. What a moment of elegance grace under fire at that moment. I must say I realized he was saying to the judge. Hang Me Nelson Hang Wall to hang. Dennis hang governed father von next president often and all of us. But I don't remember any of US flinching. It was just a moment. I think of elation of sharing this huge moment was him but when the judge said he would not impose the supreme penalty which would be appropriate in case essentially of high treason. We smiled tentatively when he said life sentences for each of us I think we laughed out loud and then Nelson recalled in his autobiography that my mother called out. What was it? What is the sentence? She couldn't hear acid life and life is wonderful and here. I am in Capetown looking out my kitchen window. Beautiful View of obey on telly laughs. Wonderful Dennis Goldberg speaking with Anna. Maria Tramonte November of twenty twelve. The anti-apartheid activist died yesterday at his home in Cape Town. He was eighty seven years old. Being alone doesn't mean you're lonely but these days a lot of people are struggling with the effects of isolation and for families who loved ones are in nursing homes. The separation can be especially painful but one Toronto family has found a unique way to bridge the distance when the pandemic had Avi Mankiewicz and his family could no longer visit his ninety five year old grandfather but earlier. This week obvious. Mom was able to speak with her father when a bucket truck lifted her up to his window we reached Avi Minka wits Toronto. Are they how did you up his idea using a bucket truck to visit your GRANDPA. That's a great question so my siblings. I were were chatting that you are ways that we can connect my mother with her father. My grandfather my mom's an only child so And spends most of her time caring for elderly parents and We're just trying to think. What could we do beyond facetime in and my sister actually in Chicago came up with the idea saying hey why not use a bucket truck and I said actually I know someone who has been so? Let's see we can facilitate before I get to the story of how you facilitated this Stat Dallas. How your grandfather and your family's been doing. How difficult has it been to sort of get together and to and to give him some comfort so You know we're we're all in the in a similar boat and all. The isolation is just emotionally taxing particularly on on my elderly grandparents. Because they're used to having visitors all the time and obviously Wendy. Social distancing roles came into effect homecare long-term facilities nursing homes. They obviously shut their doors to anyone. That's non essential and that obviously includes family so we had to. We had to change gears. And you know from being used to visiting all the time in person and actually being able to hold your loved ones hand to going to facetime. It's it's it's been taxing Emotional for my mom and and for my grandparents in your it's been it's been tough but you together right now. Your GRANDPA is in his own room. I understand yeah so unfortunately. A few months ago due to health complications my grandfather had to move out of his home to the nursing. Home So he got separated from my grandmother. They've been they've been married for sixty two years And it's it's obviously quite difficult. He's ninety five years old. I I believe he's bedridden. Yes do I do some health complications Either wheelchair bed but it's mostly mostly bad. And He. His Room is on. What floor of the of the building? So it's a story from the grounds of the second floor of actual rooms in the facility. Luckily faces the parking lot of a grounds. And which makes it really easy to access for. I mean because we know lots of people are going to the windows of the homes. But they're usually on the ground floor and they could knock on the windows and and say hi but this third floor. That's difficult so You GotTa Truck. You sit isn't a parking areas. They don't have to drive over any lawns of anything. So what did you do? So I contacted my friend Said Hey You think we could. We could utilize your truck for this. And he chuckled. Totally on board. And we're waiting for the right weather and it turned out. This past. Monday was a beautiful day and I called him in the Mornings at eight can we? Can we do this afternoon? You lucky that truck wasn't being used for work and we were able to drive over and facilitate. What does your mom think of this idea when I approached her with it? We said Hey. The siblings came up with a great idea. We are going to put you up in a truck outdoors and to the third the third level their story of the building to visit your father she. I was apprehensive And then totally jumped on board Obviously the day of it was a it was a little nerve wracking but we made that. She was safe in Titan properly edged correct. Tv and And she she's true sport. How old's your mom? She's fifty nine so she gets into into the bucket and she goes up three floors and so tell us about the encounter so it was very emotional and I think For her to be able to see him I'd not through facetime and author. Any video. Chat was really really remarkable and Indefinitely emotional and she really loves it. The window of his McGrath was cracked open They were able to call out to each other. My my mom screamed. I love you and I'm so happy to see you and I and something to the effect of I will. I will turn mountains to be able to see you and and my grandfather. She was able to hear him. Say I love you too and so nice to see you already doing outside the window because at first you know he's a little confused. We told them what was GONNA happen. But then he actually comes to fruition. I guess he was a little Here's a little shock but definitely definitely put a smile on his face. I've seen a photo of this from his point of view from inside the room. It is really quite extraordinary. Disease your mom in this bucket hanging out in the air outside the window of his room yes a little a little. Surreal a little Superhero like looking out the window and and seeing a face show up. Yeah it was wonderful and we're lucky that the DSW she was there at the time that Able to take photos and make sure that That my grandfather was was going on and they connected by phone actually for a few minutes to have a conversation as well a little bit more in depth saying that they were able to see each other face to face. So what did that visit mean for your mom men for GRANDPA? It's really about the opportunity to make Best use of of our current situation and I think given the circumstances that that little gesture was just fantastic for both of them Definitely my grandfather really really appreciate it. Really brought a smile lifted spirits and then for my mother Just her parents are our world and You know the ability to see her dad face to face as a work You know that that really was very very emotionally uplifting for her. I didn't have any other ideas. It all depends. I can't do anything. Obviously breaks any of the rules and we have to stay safe. And that's the most important thing for all of us but we'll try to think of creative agency we could Enact them it's a great story and thanks for telling it to us. Yeah thank you so much and if I just WanNa thank although frontline workers and everyone is doing their part here and we just have to try to push forward with a smile on her face and soon enough. We'll get out of this all right. Good thoughts thanks so much. Have a great day bye. Let's Avi Minko. It's in Toronto. He reasonably arranged for a bucket truck to help his mom visit his ninety five year. Old Grandfather through the window of his nursing home Constable Dan Baru Bay was ready to turn back and end the search but then his partner picked up a scent constable. Baru is a member of the Halifax regional police. Canine unit on Monday. He was out with his foreleg partner. Jinx searching for a three year old girl. The girl had been reported missing hours earlier after she wandered away from her home into the woods here is constable Dan Baruba describing the moment he finally found the girl to the. Cb's Craig Paisley. We are battling branches throughout Downed logs a steep hills muddy hills on occasion. My my partner was actually the one pulling up the hills. I just hang onto the line and kind of clot. The muddy muddy sides of the of the hill. We'd just thrashed through. But every time I get any kind of indication percent Was said that was returning towards the House so the experience and the training we have kind of the information. I had kind of led me to believe that my dog was trying to follow the scent of other officers that had previously entered the woods to go look for this missing girl so what I ended up doing just deciding to go to the crest of the hill and then take start. Cutting the hilltop figuring not If my dog didn't pick up anything up there than there was nothing to be picked up. So you were pretty close to Finish UP THERE SO IN MY MIND. It was so thick and it was so so hard to navigate through that I was ready to determine that no human would go through there just just because right so but because those already there I was gonna clear the hilltop and as I was getting to a certain area. My dog started to pick up some momentum. And that's a sign that I recognize as being tracking behavior and my dog. So I called to my partner. Who was still thrashing in the woods behind me and I told him that he'll have to pick it up. Because I think my dog was tracking and that very moment I heard a faint. Hello and the distance then thrashed harder and my dog led me to where she was and here she was in the middle of absolutely nowhere Whole bunch of pine brush around her and as she just standing there. The first thing she said was Doggie. I just hugged her. She looked like she will. She was shivering so I just hunger took my jacket off and she got to to get carried out by The RCN Piaf Sir. Cosmo PAULSON. That was Company we on this trek through the woods so did jinx get a treat. He got treat. He got to carry his. Come back out of the woods and Just another day I work for him. Halifax regional police constable Dan Baru Bay speaking with the CBC Craig Paisley about how his Canine Partner? Jinx helped him find a three year. Old Child lost in the woods. You've been listening to the as it happens. Podcast our show can be heard Monday to Friday on. Cbc Radio One and on Sirius Xm following the world at six. You can also listen to the whole show on the BBC listen APP. 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Is the NDP collapsing just as election season begins?

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Is the NDP collapsing just as election season begins?

"It's a little like waiting for the other shoe to drop. If the precise timing of dropping that shoe was being debated in media and political circles and was being strategized about in the back rooms and the corridors of power in ottawa stephanie plan a researcher of canadian politics at the university of ottawa believes leaves the liberals want voters to settle down after heading back to work following summer vacations so the prime minister might not drop the writ until closer to september fifteenth deadline short of the timeframe the shorter sorted a sprint the faster he can get messaging and his team out there it might seem as if the past few months have been an endless cycle of polls and and predictions and reaction to them and people scratching their chins and wondering what it all means but really we haven't even started yet as soon as the writ drops the polls will come daily and they will come from everywhere. Some of those polls will be bang on some of them absolutely will not be that will will apply equally to analysis of them so rather than try to dig into which polls or good and which are bad and who's got it right. We will take a more scientific approach when factor all of those numbers together what stands out what is just noise leaving out these screaming weekly headlines what has actually shifted in the canadian political landscape the summer and if you happen to be a normal person with a job and a life outside of the election bubble. What do you really need to pay attention to over the next couple of months. I'm jordan heath rawlings and this is the big story for leif j -fornia models canada's elections at three thirty eight candidate dot com and mcclain's dot c._a. Okay so felipe. We talk to you way back in like eight pro. What what have you seen shift in your projection model since then yeah well actually plenty <hes> within the last time we talked together jordan <hes> do the conservatives were way ahead because mostly because of the eleven story and jodie wilson bulte just announced that she would be an independent tentative as well <hes> along with jane field and so back in april and may the the conservatives held a four to six point lead on average and uphold and they were heading to a victory and then well summer happened never happened and it seems like the conservatives wasted an opportunity especially you know -tario in quebec to grow their base into <hes> to to inflate their the numbers but we have seen several polls from professional firms and just read lazy episodes and all these guys <hes> we're on the field this summer and they showed <hes> especially antero <hes> the the liberals gaining ground back and conservative sniffing <hes> and so right now in the popular vote projection we have a statistical mystical tie but just go by means of most likely liberal win because there's so many votes concentrated conservative in alberta ah but it inflates their <hes> their their popular vote number but it does not increase their seat count <hes> and so right now. I would say that the most likely scenario r._e._o. Would be <hes> liberal morality of probably a minority but it could also be majority <hes> and so where the forty nine how quickly can those things change range because <hes> you know we're all wary of polls a couple of months out of the election and to your point they just they just changed over a couple of months even when you're working with the <hes> the compilation of all the polls that are taken. How fast do those things tend to move. Well we again. We have to be careful and i know there's a lot of public mistrust about polling <hes> i would attribute that to <hes> not really understanding. What do pose do not predict the future. They're snapshots the president and <hes> usually of the recent past and so what the numbers that we have right now indicate that yes just notion is the favorite to win the election in by not that much but that's right now and so you know next week there's going to be the first debate the most likely the first debate two of the season hosted by mclane <hes> and you know it would only take one bad performance by or one really good performance by into sheer or jagmeet singh or as a bit me too who <hes> completely turned around when you're dealing with a compilation of polls like that and you know to your point you mentioned one debate. That's coming next week. How do you go about attributing. What's driving that for instance. I'm thinking <hes> <hes> of the recent s._n._c. land ethics report or maybe the liberals highlighting highlighting andrew shears past comments on gay marriage. Can you drill down into your data and try to model. What's it's driving up well. That's a very good question. Jordan and i have to tell you that insci- usually when you want to see the effect of a variable you change only lee one variable and you keep everything confident in social science and political polling that's always possible and so i'm always very very cautious <hes> to attribute causing effects to to <hes> events and pulling because we really do not know for sure <hes> you know the exception was maybe the essence eboni story because they occupied so many media cycles last winter and we saw the liberals <hes> dropping support for eight consecutive weeks after group the <hes> the story was out and so that was pretty straightforward <hes> causing effect but <hes> there the <hes> excavation report it came out on august four things i believe and we've had six or seven national goals a that was on the field they were on the field after that date and we have not seen a dent in in conservative and the liberal supports due to that it takes report so it doesn't seem to have any effect india about the well the gay marriage and social issues in the abortion story. Brooklyn story was a big story in quebec. I'm not sure how big it wasn't kinda because we've had polls on the subject lately last year pulled the canadians under under views on abortion and for instance quebec eighty five percent of bekker's feel that the abortion issue is close that issue is done and so there is is no ground to be made. There is no votes to be gained for the conservatives. <hes> you know touring the country talking about abortion but there's plenty of grounds to be made by the liberals talking about the conservatives talking about abortion rights and so so the straightforward called an effect. I'm very careful with that. Let that's for sure that the past few weeks have not been good friend. Who's here i think for him. He has a lot of time to <hes> to get get back up. One of the reasons we like talking. Hugh is because you're you're not focused just on the national polls although those play you know those play a role in voting intentions. What have you seen recently in the regional polls. <hes> that really stands out to you when you're putting into your model. There's been some very interesting local numbers. I would start with my home province. If you don't mind <hes> in quebec with was really interesting is that when the instead of story occurred in henry voting intentions in cuba it was the only place in china where voting intentions pretty much remained stable walk the liberal gain didn't gain but it didn't really lose either <hes> and we started conservative plan but a few points but it was you know at the expense of the fact that there's still a lot of undecided and it was always within the margin of error but in quebec devoting attention is reading move except for the book the big low who <hes> you know they they had a new leader and so again a few points but outside of that we saw we saw changes in canada. Canada was all liberal was already for years ago <hes> but when we look at the numbers now well liberals are still in front but it's not dominating lead like it wasn't two thousand fifteen and so they should lose a few the in that region especially in new brunswick but again you know and i know it's a it's a not shea but unfair you well on -tario has the most seats you can has the highest population and so it's gonna be a battleground especially in the suburbs of toronto. The nine five area has about thirty districts and <hes>. I took my numbers. Just this sunday out of those thirty districts nineteen are either toss ups or leaning and so so def the election action right there. You know it's a it's a new one <hes> fourteen sikh-majority in two thousand fourteen and nineteen puff up seats in the in the nine. Oh five so if let's say conservatives do a little better than we think and the win most of those <hes> you could see well a very diminished a liberal <hes> in government or you could see the rose host outright losing power so every every <hes> always on the table alberta saskatchewan did not move much <hes>. We know that the conservatives are very popular here. <hes> i had a few <hes> readers from alberto saying well. We wanna know we're looking. Curative wins thirty three seats or thirty four so radius question right now. That's the question right now and i'll verte finally if we go out with british prime yeah <hes> well the rural parts of the of the should be mostly conservative <hes> vancouver. We'll be a battle between the liberals and the ep would degrees. Maybe playing spoilers <hes> and the vancouver island should be very interesting not necessarily for who who gets to win power <hes> but <hes> the green party well their you know their numbers are really good on vancouver island in dr seven districts there so they should be in good position mm to make few games there. What surprised me most was the m._v._p. Numbers <hes> the m._v._p. Antonio is down in quebec is getting wiped out <hes>. It's not doing well on twenty canada and so when we look at the counter the m._v._p. They won forty four seats for years ago and now they would be lucky to get a third of that right now. Really how it's it's. It's <hes> it's you know in the numbers could be wrong by a few points and of course i wouldn't adjust when new numbers but right now. It's really looking good i was. I was told by a reader that really notice that right now. The block is expected to win more seats than the m._v._p. That was my next question is is you mentioned the block a little bit and you mentioned mentioned the surprising performance <hes> by the greens especially out west the last time we talked <hes> people were flocking to the greens or at least more than they had been because <hes> <hes> climate change was an issue that was clearly rising in the polls has that continued where are they right now and and how much of a spoiler could they play well. That's a very good the question the the green party well the search that they had been spring weather mother search but it was a real surge we saw them go from five to six percents all the way to ten to twelve percents but but it's stalled there <hes> they seem to have hit the ceiling and their numbers <hes> and i. I can't really tell you why other than the fact that's right now. Since since the <hes> the vote <hes> projections so close in canada at some point those voters will maybe they okay so if we if we vote green maybe we'll real happening electing a conservative or liberal government and so they'll have to take a decision because of our voting system you know the first-past-the-post. You have to make a decision if you vote both for third party then have a chance to win. You're writing. You may have a worse option. <hes> in your mind of course <hes> nothing which one is worse when it better but if we look at the the regionals for you the the green party of canada well we know that there are doing well and be as i mentioned around the sixteen to seventeen percent percent on average n._b._c. and elsewhere in the country well there at the <hes> the ten percent threshold pretty much everywhere <hes> eight percents albert seven percents something breweries thirteen percent antics <hes> so that enough to win new seats outside of vancouver island. I am not too sure the numbers don't suggest that's-that's let's <hes> let's say for instance we take fredericton <hes> there should be a very close race between the liberals and the conservative <hes>. Let's say they split that in the middle with maybe twenty eight to thirty percent each yes we could see a green party just go in between and and and and squeaker victory there <hes> expert green surge well then percent is good for their sender but it doesn't win you and you see what are the chances and maybe i shouldn't the asking scientist for to speculate on the chances but if the end ep claps continues and the green stay where they are. What are we talking about in terms of balance of power when you say one of the likely scenarios is a minority government. Well allow me to take to put on my <hes> political the analyst hat for a second <hes>. Let's say we have a minority liberal government and let's say as you said the collapses to. Maybe maybe ten or twelve well. I is it possible for jackie sing to remain m._v._p. Leader if you leave the party to the worst result in twenty five years well i if you hold the balance of power well. He could make a case that he should pay <hes> but <hes> it's gonna be very hard if those numbers translate into ballot boxes on october twenty first for the m._v._p. Maybe i do not see how jackie remains dp leader and so <laughter> for the green party well. They're expected to win five or six seats <hes> so ah delivered to hold about power the liberals would have to be very close to that the majority so you know. We have not seen coalition coalition in this country since piano. I did it in nineteen seventy three. I was not alive and i'm pretty darn sure that you're gonna live either and so sure culture of coalition is is ingrained in in the <hes> in the political science in canada so we'll have to wait and see but <hes> <hes> <hes> if let's say for instance with the greens and the m._v._p. Say we will support your government but we want. Electoral reform will liberals do right <hes>. That's that's. That's a fair question but if i were to liberal though just tell them well. No that's not happening and who you're going to support the conservative. They don't want to like roll <hes> reform either so they would have during the m._v._p. Would have much for by way of course if they could win. Maybe forty or fifty seats but if they're just winning a dozen and then give them let fewer bugging chips the rid is expected to be dropped in a week or less are so what changes when that happens in terms of your modeling and the work you're doing oh except that i will not sleep for the next six weeks <hes> ride. I told that on my wife weld it's gonna be fun to see you sometime time later just over but <hes> i expect a polling companies to <hes> to be on the field heavily right from the get go to see where where can stand and early in the campaign <hes> we expect a bullying firms like main street to have a daily tracker <hes> that i will follow <hes> and so i'm gonna follow maybe seven to eight maybe nine polling firms and so every day we will have new numbers i we will have to be careful to not confuse north for signal because they will be a lot of noise for sure and i'm going to be very interested to see of the debates had an attack because again four years ago you may remember we had a triple tie on top of voting intentions with multiple komo carrot stephen harper interesting for the longest time and when did numbers really started to move it was after the french debate on september twenty four so the campaign was already six or seven weeks long <hes> and we had the first debate and it was really good he had low expectations and it was really good and and from that point the end ep slowly shedded support and the liberals cruise to majority and so i'm i will be looking forward to those before and after numbers members of the of the debate for people who are going to be sort of casually following the election at least it's at least in the early weeks of the campaign. What would you suggest that they really keep an eye on because they're going to be inundated with them and it's gonna be really hard to pull out. You know what's important and what's not because i have a feeling there's a lot of noise. Oh yeah oh yeah absolutely and you may have noticed that how <hes> liberal candidate suddenly found videos event do sheer. You're saying you know we're about education gay marriage and and so there does doesn't to the public and it's fair game. I mean you know as you say those things. Just the liberals are waiting for the campaign to begin to just unleash on the conservative <hes> and the conservatives. I am sure we'll do the same for the liberal what bolsheviks also look at well. I don't wanna preach my own choir. I don't want to toot my own horn but you know if you follow only one or two polling firms you may not get the whole story and so that's why i build my website where i i all the polls and i i you know deconstruct them by regions i rate them and to explain to people what <hes> the noise is and what the uncertainty of nudges and eric because i so many comments that i have online are but injury was supposed to win and like well well yes she would've she did win. Pose measure the <hes> the popular vote so we have to remember that <hes> making a sikh projection is is really complicated and has high uncertainty <hes> d- totals that i will project on october twentieth may be different from the total that <hes> there are that are elected on the next day but you have to look at the big picture for instance in alberta <hes> in mid april. My model correctly identified eighty two out of eighty eighty seven winners which i think is great. You know i was really happy with this result. I missed only five five districts but what happened. People from those by district says well you don't. I know what you're talking about. Both bills are wrong. They were they were ninety four percent right and <hes> it's it's so we have to manage expectation. <hes> there is uncertain eighteen those numbers <hes> there's noise. That's entirely natural that the nature of bowling if you really want to have a full will noise well. That's called a new election and we can't have them every year or every week. That doesn't make sense so i you know i try to the same way i tell my students i teach my students about the scientific method i teach my students about what is uncertainty and what the fluctuations in the data. You will see a lot of noise in the data. That's my website. Is there so how frequently yeah i know you're doing weekly ones right now <hes> at mcleans and also at three thirty eight canada dot com. Will you be continuing weekly through the election or upping the frequency well number. I started daily so <hes> you're really not sleeping beeping here. No i <hes> i think a few rebels and lots of caffeine in my veins but no seriously <hes> yeah since there was the there will be so much data available <hes> as soon as it comes out. I take a look at it. See if it's serious if it's from a from renowned announce firm if the data is reliable and so i think uh put it in my motto and the every evening updated website so i invite you <hes> our listeners to go to three thirty eight ten dot com to find their districts. Every district has a very high uncertainty but <hes> if you look at the great <hes> the picture if if you look at your province or even the whole country while the tea reduces it's about maybe plus or minus four percent or a for the main party we will keep an eye on thank you very much philippe. My pleasure jordan philippe. Jay is an election monitor and a professor. He does his work at three thirty eight canada canada dot com and mcclain's dot c._a. Now is the big story you want more. At the big story podcast you can also find are brother and sister shows news on frequency podcast network dot com. You may know that this weekend marks the opening of teff in toronto and if you are feeling movies this time of year head on over and check out someone someone else's movie hosted by norm wilner. I promise to has your favorite films buried somewhere and it's backed cadillac claire bizarre does the lead producer of the big story ryan in clarkin stephanie phillips or our associate producers and nielsen is our digital editor and i'm jordan youth rawlings. Thanks for listening have a great weekend. We'll talk monday <music>.

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Recapping a crucial federal leaders debate

Front Burner

26:15 min | 1 year ago

Recapping a crucial federal leaders debate

"But not always I completely struggled coming out to my parents as a comedian being in the entertainment industry for a Middle Eastern people is unheard of affecting change. I'm trying to winter and I'm almost law welcome to chosen family every second week we talk about art sexuality and identity with a special guest usually for more C._B._C. podcasts Goto C._B._C.. Dot C._A. Slash podcasts. All right this is front burner fasciitis this is a CBC podcast Hello I'm Jay parcel and today where the two of them stand in the polls there naked neck any little bit of movement can start momentum going and then can change the trajectory of the election for either party so something that demarcated his performance I guess and his approach to the debate right right away right and and then they also have this thing in the debate where the leaders ah who works on and I say that because if you're a person who just sat down and watched that entire debate from start to finish and let's say you weren't super decided yet no that did not work on you fire the only two people in your caucus who are speaking out against what you're trying to do just for telling the truth tell me when did you decide that the thought he can't even remember how many times he put black face on because the fact of the matter is he's always wearing a mask he puts on a reconciliation mask and then fires we're going to break down the federal leaders debate the first featuring old six major party leaders it was a real chance for all of them to sell you on their vision for this the Attorney General the first one of indigenous background he puts on a middle-class mask and then raises taxes on Middle Class Canadians was definitely asked other leaders questions which I kind of loved because he didn't end up asking questions they just sort of ended up asking questions statements that were quite allstone apply to you yeah but a boom earn yeah I mean very purposeful move by Mr Scherr it was clear from the outset not just in the to drop it was a very pointed attack from Mr Sheer towards Mr Trudeau not that we didn't expect there to be those kinds of attacks but right away he called him a phoney and a fraud start right away with Andrew share what do we see from injury share right at the gate so right out of the gate it was possibly the moment that I think caused the most jaws and so how did he do there yeah he's basically positioning himself again solely versus Mr Trudeau as I'm GonNa make your life less expensive it wasn't a surprise that he was so directly aimed at Mr Trudeau and I think also it was a bit based on or at least Genesis Genesis of it rather was a bit based on conservative voter the stuff under share was saying resonates with you and in fact his performance probably the forcefulness with which he delivered those statements also resonates with you which eight of their lines verbatim so they had to land those messaging points because even if a portion of the audience is new to becoming engaged in this election surprise it almost seems so he was ready for the fight this do you think these negative attacks work is a good strategy for injuries here so it depends on country so let's get right to it let's not waste any time here Fascia Palos his here host of power and Politics Hive Ashi Hi Jamie thanks for being here my pleasure then yes you haven't the opportunity to communicate the essence of your campaign and I think actually to be fair both of them did that in this debate is the last debate the French one for tale where Mr Trudeau had come out very strong enforced kind of attacking Mr Shear off the bat and it had sort of like taking Mr Central Campaign theme affordability it's time for Canadians to have a break are universal tax cut will mean eight hundred fifty dollars in the pocket of a hardworking average income Katie speaks to the strategy that the Conservatives are employing right now which is to motivate they're already very secure base to go out and vote tells you a lot about what they think their chances are and where voting booth the other thing that was pretty clear to me was at Andrew Scheer wanted to take every opportunity he had when he wasn't hammering Trudeau to hammer home his the polls are right now because in a breakdown where each side the liberals and the Conservatives have a hold of their base it's about motivating them to get vote for you right right they just want to get them to the around the world I don't I don't know if it really chipped away at the conservative vote I mean time will tell on that I don't know how effective they were felt like Mr Bernie was kind of all of he just immediately turns to Trudeau he gets quite a few laughs and he just nails him on Avalon and ethical breaches and feel like I'm a bad judge of how this went over only because I've heard both their lines on these subjects ad nauseam three million times and I can't take it anymore purpose I my guess is that they maybe didn't in fact they probably help Mr Shears 'cause only in so far as Mr Scherr was able to say look can absolutely be proud of Canada's history you can be proud of our identity you can be proud of the things we've done and accomplished in the world while at the same time welcoming people from all had seventy billion dollars debt and you are you a real conservative no I think you are liberals and like what did he the map and saying what are the things that he said before without a ton of like factual evidence to back up the things he was saying and then he just pivoted after Trudeau you could see that's where his attention was yes very much so Mr Trudeau Trudeau is going to make it more expensive are universal tax cut drastically is is much better for middle income canes than his proposal just for those of us who have heard this like you know false dichotomy five hundred tonnes overhead also just talking about sweet burns tonight there was that really good who are likely to become prime minister why wasn't I hearing more from both of them and I'm not saying that's a slug on any of them I do think that is a function primarily of the format more we're going to give this tax cut. The child fitness tax credit the Green Home Tax Credit Trudeau makes her life more expensive the carbon tax and then Trudeau says you guys own in the tenor that his comments took were that question that you're referencing but that he was it was like all eyes are on for him in this debate and that's understandable given he's getting a lot of questions particularly from Elizabeth May in this debate on that and about some of the claims he makes about the progress that his government has made parts of credit for that industry are also got attacked from the right maxine Bernie a you don't want to balance the budget in two years you will in kinds of questions coming at them but Trudeau did spend some time during the night defending his record when he did know what was he defending and how Oh and I think it would just turn you off politics as a whole and that that's a statement on lots of the cross talk to the whole thing nobody can nobody acc says we must do and he was getting a lot of questions from Andrew Scheer on the whole messaging around affordability Justin Trudeau's attack on small businesses about how he's too close to corporations basically into Corporate Candida into wealthy Canadians you criticized Mr Harper and conservatives on giving billions to billionaires in corporations on from Andrew Scheer turned trudeau invoking Doug Ford you seem to be oddly obsessed with provincial politics there is a vacancy do you think he did he was defending it in the same way that he has for the past two years I would say on many of the same issues primarily climate they talk about Trudeau so I found myself a few times this debate I don't know if you would agree with me nothing about climate change were the only to do something choice tonight is do we pick a government that doesn't believe in climate change or in fighting like I could literally delivery explain how they would work he had a lot of airtime but I'm not sure really Like Landon any knockout blows on sheer I mean share basically address Maxime Bernier as though and this could be a function of the format as well but I felt like there wasn't enough trudeau and share you know like I if you're sitting there and you're deciding between the two to new markets so we can invest all all the resources all the money coming in from this pipeline into that green energy transition and while it sound so far which earned completely true the scientists clear your target is a commitment to failure. That's why it's so doable and achievable because it doesn't do what the for example the pipeline that maybe you do need to get resources to market but you also should be protecting the environment and and it sounds like a contradiction at times coming from him but I think there's a reason that he keeps using the threatening them making it harder for them to grow and expand and offer the types of opportunities that lead to the jobs that have much higher income earnings and even from Jagmeet Singh it's more than than removing it does and yeah I I agree with you that you know part of this as a function of the debate there were a lot of players on that stage and a lot of different types of middle ground lines and that's because there's a large swath of voters lying there okay so we spend a Lotta time defending his record but I have to say I didn't hear him hear what you're saying we'll be signing if you are a conservative voter and this is who I think in a and from speaking people on the war room this is who this was aimed at if you are leaning concern into invest in the middle class and people working hard to join it lifted nine hundred thousand people out of poverty including three hundred thousand kids we gave more support for students going do lie in that space right like there's a lot of people in the middle who I'm not saying this subscribe to the Justin Trudeau version of it or the low version of it but they do believe on issues of in the context of a debate very wishy washy because others are able to take a very concrete position in fact if you look through much of the polling out there a lot of Canadian really not right like there wasn't a lot of stuff put in the window but at the same time that is also a function of what we were just talking about that he was getting Criticize tried to yeah so you know shears question may pick any leader of your choice than any question of your choosing is an attacked whatever you WANNA call it from all sides during this debate so most of his quote unquote airtime was basically just trying to defend himself against that you gave fourteen billion more questions this why do you keep letting down the people that voted for you he uses similar defense which is that he has in a lot of these subjects which is asking myself where is Justin Trudeau and what did you make of his performances. He felt a bit absent to me on on several occasions. Yeah I did I did feel talk a lot about what he wanted to do with his next mandate do you think that that's enough right to just defend what you did in the previous four years and that but yeah he was I mean he was part of the debate he wasn't he certainly wasn't like dominating Mr Trudeau five seconds are a price on pollution helps Canadian to put more stuff out there more details about what he has planned but essentially the liberals home messages like we've done an okay job so keep us going right like keep keep voting for raise a good question like is that enough for people who are looking for something where substantial when deciding what snacks getting it from both flanks their industries basically saying you're spending your way you know you're spending your way to a bad situation for Canadians in juggling his talking will we may go more supports for seniors yeah again I feel like if you're somebody watching trying to make up your mind about who to entrust the government with over the next four years problem oh he does not have four years of leadership to run on what was he pitching Canadians tonight and how did he do I think if he pitched anything successfully tonight it was himself I I know there's a lot of other things specifically that has platform gets into I don't know if that was necessarily the strongest part of his performance about extreme he did I was actually really interested to see if the attacks from the right vis-a-vis Max would have an impact in this debate and I'm not an you think this I think this especially like on issues of immigration or the more extreme issues that Bernie has talked about before what Mr Bernie fails understand is that went out of the courts but he's GonNa drag indigenous kids to court that is wrong yeah positions he's articulated before in he did so confidently tonight I thought the let's Jagmeet Singh next who I will say I think doesn't distract the middle ground basically on climate for example Yes we bought a pipeline but either you have to grow the economy and you also have to protect the environment we need to get all right he said something like I don't even know who I'm talking to the maxine Bernie from the one thousand nine hundred who was a separatist was that the vaccine Bernie who is minister responsible for handing out corporate welfare thing that really set him apart from the crowd tonight was his disposition his level of comfort and almost an ability that the others didn't have tonight the fortunes of over twenty million dollars we're GONNA ask them to pay a little bit more yes we think they should very critical of the liberals on indigenous issues he wanted to fight hard to keep snc the same thing so yeah slogan move forward with a yeah so it it speaks a little bit too to that as well but Mr Missing Pardon me Mr Scherr over deal I dunno people giving me mix up option there is another option out there but he did have a very tough question to contend with from just introduced bill. twenty-one the bill messed up because those are pretty horrible tweets that you made in that's I don't mean that as like a very specific criticism of the other people like I could not imagine being in their shoes for sure even into this debate or Larry last week has he has I think you can you can say that he has outperformed them and I think that translated tonight he act prevents public service workers from wearing religious symbols like his jabs in turbans on the job the federal government under you would not intervene in the question of Bill Twenty you know basically an accusation that he's not GonNa do anything so I think if anything tempers the results of his performance tonight what part of the spectrum that you sit on he was probably the funniest tonight he had really good one line he has some really good one liners we WANNA do that again Mr Scherr thank you Ashley when the stakes are as high as they are for just drew Andrew Scheer but there is something to be said for the way in which he has conducted himself throughout this campaign so far Canadia he has ideas there he has positions on things there was nothing new again that he offered today that we hadn't heard dental care armageddon or tax the rich to pay for it just hedging of the question was really funny like I'm the only person who might do something I don't even know what that means how do you think Mr Singh handled like you said he had those one liners he was relaxed he seemed very knowledgeable about his own position and like had the ability to make jokes fact polling when it's just about his own numbers bears that out he has momentum behind him it hasn't yet translated to the party as full and I don't know maybe pseudo arguing over climate change he he just basically stopped and said look you do not need to choose between Mr Delay Mr deny there is another to be human and natural and stuff to ask questions front of big crowds and thanks for doing that I mean Mr Verde after hearing what was just said you could have just said hey kind of criticism you have failed to tell the truth is this scandal responsibility of any prime minister is to stand up for jobs and we would have done out maybe Tories Turban on purpose today what does it it was it was it was it was nice to watch seemed quite comfortable but unlike Trudeau one in Quebec it's a question where yes it's awkward politically because as Mr Blanchette says it is very popular I will say although Mr Saying saying you know I'm the only one who's going to do anything and to a degree I guess that's a bit true but none of them are really doing anything nobody wants to intervene in this thing we that that is still to happen maybe takes a bit longer to take hold but like for the expectations that he face coming into this campaign rate and land those one liners and seem yeah humidity's speaking of he probably have the one liner of the night when cheer and it all right and I know that we already saying is taking the position he is is because his caucus has insisted that he ends right like he's listening to his caucus they're saying please do not say that you're going to intervene so and basically every question he received in his scrum was around Bill twenty-one exactly as you described it Mr frame the question and was very pointed towards Mr Wien legally and as you and I have talked about many times you know the MVP is facing like a potential wipeout in Quebec and they have a lot of seats that they could lose their those writings and so he was allowed to participate in the debate to the ire of many of the other parties who said because of the views he espouses he shouldn't be on this stage talk of the debates Mr Bernie was not supposed to be in this debate the commission initially ruled that he could not participate he then was allowed to submit you know certain for the on -Tario liberal leadership and if you're so focused on provincial politics go and run for the leadership of that party and he basically say I have a shot at winning in these five writings the commission then set up polling in those five writings and found yes he does have shot at winning it's not a foregone conclusion that he will lose all AH lots in the air for for Mr Singing and EP in Quebec for a moment the controversy over having him there in the first place and what you think his presence at the debate resulted in it felt like it changed the first twenty minutes of the debate forty nine percent of our population believe that we must have fewer immigrants not racist they're not radical so yeah and Quebec is so important fourteen seats for the MVP they need to hold onto it in fact everyone I speak to in the campaign says the reason that Mr speech only when people are saying things that you want to hear you're asking let me answer it after a couple of minutes of this debate tonight I think people can clearly see why the pieces of data that that complied with or met the criteria that the commission had been assigned to decide on whether or not someone can participate what he did was. We'll be that question around bill twenty-one every single day of my life is challenging people who think that you can do things because of the way you look every single day my life I channel the frustration Sean Maxium Bernie a little bit we talked about maybe his message might not punch through he was kind of all over the place dealing with a lot of different topics but I want to talk about not even sure if if we would have been having that conversation around what makes a good leader and immigration had Maxim Bernie not have been there listing the chief financial financial officer of way way might have been a big mistake and so I just I just felt like that's a lot of Max I think you make a great point I was struck immediately by how much of an impact he had as a disruptor over the course of I would say maybe close to the first they all say they're watching it play it in the courts the differences and something that Mr Joe Actually surprisingly focused on her or emphasized today's that he says he's left the door open to inter and she said which I thought was super interesting and also I think a good place for us to end this conversation She raised the prospect of a minority government and it has agency and power to work together mission possible for climate action we call all hands on deck but I actually also want to focus on one thing the people and I want to be challenged and specifically actually a lot of what he said in the scrum afterwards French media picked up on the comments that both he and Mr Trudeau made she hit on her usual point of none of the leaders are hitting the right targets on emissions sheep after all of them for that we have to restore the idea of real democracy where every citizen the what case do you think she was trying to make to voters I think she's decided that the Liberals are going to win this election

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355 Teaser - Bad News Hughes

Chapo Trap House

03:40 min | 1 year ago

355 Teaser - Bad News Hughes

"Welcome to bad news. This is Don. Here's with their Canadian election update. Let's run through the parties. Parties for Liberal Party is public relations scam that plants trees around the mass grave that is Canadian history. Justin Trudeau is like if George W. Bush got into kayaking accident and lost his intelligence and charisma just a total zero these bourgeois sleazebag so military here to Saud family regime and then call themselves unitarians now the Conservative Party is basically Canada's wing of the National Party in South Africa under apartheid this twisted creeps are proud that can't as a settler colony won't have it any other way. Liberals pretend to be sad about the conservatives openly support their leader is Andrew Scheer man so bland that listening to him speak is like eating a box of crackers though to glass of water the New Democratic Party or MVP has never led a federal government but it certainly run left-wing movements into the ground in a number of provinces. Gandhi P has a new leader in Jagmeet Singh. The big question is whether Canadians are racist vote for someone with Punjabi Heritage. That's the wrong question. Canadians are to racist vote for anyone. We need a revolutionary comedian. Run the whole show the block. BECUA- starts with a great idea. We need to destroy Canada then they ruin it by saying in Quebec still needs to exist. The whole idea sounds like a divorce guide. Quebec wants to keep imperialism on weekends next the Green Party. The Greens are another public relations scam. Their slogan is not left not right but forward together. That's Just Textbook Neo Nazi third position. We're not the Green party dreams of joining a coalition liberals. It's like when you watch your garbage collector dumpy recycling into the same as the draft Dr then there's the People's party which is a half ass attempts to start a new fascist party Bozos. Laurie have by fascist ashes parties to choose from. I just listed. Let's talk issued the end. EPA has promised National Pharma Care Program which makes sense in a country country that supposedly has free healthcare. Unfortunately they aren't planning on getting rid of the causes of all those symptoms so you'll have to put on some drake. Take a handful of free painkillers and cry yourself to sleep again. Conservatives said they'll fix the housing crisis years to let people dive into high risk mortgage in ten years. It's only been ten years since this idea new taft the economy and they're already back at it. Abolish win or problem solve all the liberals for their part of promised two point two billion trees. I said they promised trees earlier but you probably didn't believe me. Look it up promising promising trees. Now the official bad news the lesson prediction here it is usual. Democracy is a sham want my sample all sides. It's five hundred years of coney. Eliza workers turf this whole system and come up with something now was right with Ota People's Army. The people people have nothing goodbye I uh-huh.

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