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"Into that category for me. I think Mitchell Robinson if we're sticking with the Knicks falls into that category with me like statistically just looking at his numbers, you would say there's no evidence this guy's really gotten any better. But if you watch the games, he's just so much more solid and other guy like that who's just on my long long list is Jonathan kamina in Golden State just statistically nothing really jumps out, but if you watch the games, he's playing more and he's just playing better. Talk about bridges for me because I think the nets will have a bad record in all these games by the end of the year when he's playing this well. Make the case that and some people will sort of look at it and say, well, okay, whatever. He put up numbers. Someone's got to put up numbers. Make the case that he is that this is a real thing that's happening. I would say just for what British has done and you already touched on a little bit earlier. The growth started in Phoenix. I think there was a clear emphasis from Monty Williams for Mikael bridge to do more on the ball. You've seen him as a guy that kind of replaced Devin Booker and some of those elbow sets, getting to run more pick and rolls. Just looking at his pick and roll volume, I was people on second spectrum a little bit earlier. He's running about 2.6 pick and rolls per 100 positions last year. That includes the playoffs. This year's near 11. And so for him to quadruple nearly quadruple his volume or more than quadruple his volume and have the officially jump up that's impressive to me. And again, that started in Phoenix. So him getting more comfortable with the ball on his hands, making more reads, the scoring has really popped for me. It popped in Phoenix, the numbers weren't huge until that stretch without dipping Booker, and you really start seeing it in the box score. But you knew what kind of pull up jumper he had, him actively seeking out contact and finishing through contact better, it was a little bit new. And we've seen that kind of extend once it's gotten to Brooklyn. And so not only is he getting higher usage, he's seeing better defenders and he's doing the shoulder nudge on these drives now. He's doing a little bit better at creating space for himself and now you get to the high release point the insane touch. And I think that feels very translatable to me. Like, I think he's just gotten so much more comfortable against physicality. It accentuates everything else he could do. Because if you do, you know, looking forward for Brooklyn, if you get a true number one and slide them off, he's already proven he can play off the ball. He's proven he can thrive in a secondary role. So him taking on these primary reps, having the efficiency, I think what nearly 27 points for the game was 64 and a half true shooting since joining Brooklyn. That's the thing he did shooting. It's like 55, 45, whatever shooting. I mean, it's crazy. It's insane. There's like some of those numbers will come down, but just the comfort that I'm seeing from him with the ball in his hands. I think that's where he really makes the case for me. I guess the best compliment I can give Mikhail bridges Brooklyn net is when I watch the nets, and I think about defending them from the perspective of their opponent. He feels dangerous to me. Like it feels frightening when he has the ball like, oh my God, is he gonna pull up? He's gonna do this. I know he's probably not gonna throw like some crazy Luca style pass to the corner and all that, but he feels threatening as a scorer in a way that I kind of didn't expect to feel that level of threat from me. You almost expected to feel like kind of went to bias Harris runs a pick and we're like, all right, someone's got to shoot some pull up jumpers. He feels dangerous to me. So you've already mentioned like 5 of your vague top ten. Give me a give me a couple more names. We'll see how we line up, pick some guys. Say some guys, say some guys, we have reached a fun part of the program. Someone who was a late addition to my list and I actually had to move them up once I thought about it more. I was only going to have one Timberwolves on this list and it probably wasn't going to be the obvious one. I had to add the obviously like the kayaker being ridiculous. Anthony Edwards, I think, is playing himself into this conversation. He's on my vague top ten as well. I'm guessing the other timber timber wolf, the other wolf was Jane McDaniels. Yes. I have ant above Jaden McDaniels on my vague, most improved player ladder. Is that wrong? Is that ridiculous? They're both fine. None of them are really gonna make back. Neither of them are really gonna make ballots and might make some ballots. I could see him making some ballots. I think with what he's seen from him at least statistically since, let's say, December, and if the wolves end up being a playoff team because the Western Conference standings are so jumbled up right now, they could very well still finish like 5th or 6th. I wouldn't be surprised if he ends up landing third. And ultimately, if he continues to progress as a playmaker like he has. And we see more of these moments from him defensively. Then I think he's really going to open up some eyes. But yeah, I don't think it's crazy to have ant over McDaniels. Like when I first make the list and trying to like, okay, let's get this done before the pot starts. I had McDaniels, I think, ten, and I didn't have Edwards on. I was like, okay, wait a minute, I can't do that. But you know, as I mentioned earlier, the play making growth, there are still these pockets where he sees two defenders, he doesn't care. He's going to get to the rim where he's going to take a pull up, and he still has to cut down some of those. But he just looks, he still does look more comfortable when he gets to the ball now. He's making no question. He's making more skip passes than I've seen him. And obviously short career form so far. But he's showing more comfort there. Doing a little more subtle things like stringing out the trap before driving to the basket and you know once he gets a full head of steam downhill, there isn't much you can do with him. You can ex Jayden's brother about that. So that's kind of where the case lands for me. But Jaden McDaniels, I originally had him on one if I can campaign on your podcast. We got to get Jay to make Daniels on an all defensive team this year. I've seen you making that campaign, I feel like, I feel like it's reasonable. He's not, you feel like he's not getting enough credit. Just his sheer versatility. He'll guard clay one night and then he'll guard like a power forward the next night and a point guard the night after that. Yeah, like there's the tier of like this guy can switch on to any one of you feel okay with it versus you will just get this assignment and feel good. And like there are plenty of wing defenders that are one just good, but two they have the athleticism had later quickness to, okay, if he switches on to a point guard for 8 seconds, you're going to be okay. You can just give Jada McDaniels a point guard assignment and feel good about him using his left to give room and contest. He's a really good screen navigator for a guy at his size. And so even if you have some of those daily pull up shooters, he can find over and then you worry about the rear view contest for him. What he does as a
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"Just between the kind of, if you want to call it a standoff with him in Monty Williams, maybe that's too strong of a word. He just kind of strikes me as a guy that it could come into play, it could matter. Do you get the exact same effort from him defensively if he's not as heavily involved offensively, which would be understandable if he's not given who they're going to have on this team. So he's someone that I could see thriving and just getting better looks because of the inability to really go and help on him in the post, but I also really, really wonder whether what's his level of involvement going to be offensively with this new look offense that they're going to have. I think the 8 and discourse has taken a turn too far toward the what he isn't discussion. What he doesn't do and for sure there has been some well documented frostiness between Deandre 8 and imani Williams and Deandre and another important people within the Phoenix Suns. Like it's not just Monty Williams. When Deandre catches the ball in traffic, spins away from contact and misses a jump hook, you can sometimes see the other players be like, dude again, can you just go up strong and get fouled? Please, you averaged three free throws a game. You're 7 feet tall in your giant. Can you get the line a little more than that? All of that said, I think it's a huge deal that he's still on the team. And obviously you're not going to trade him and bridges and Johnson, so somebody's going to be on the team. This dude is 24 years old. He's averaging 19 and ten. There aren't very many big men. We might be able to count them on one hand. There are many 7 footers who can chase ball handlers at the arc on the pick and roll who are comfortable getting in the stance moving their feet. The puppies like perks says, we would have puppies. And and protect the rim deal with Nikola Jokić in the post well enough that it's not a 5 alarm fire every time he touches the ball. And he proved it, he already did that in the playoffs. And look, I don't know all the details of why there's been tension between 8 and other people within the suns. I would hope that the possibility of winning the whole thing in a deep playoff run just everybody organically starts rowing in the same direction and supporting each other and patting each other on the back. He's 24 the fact that he and Booker are in their mid 20s gives them some protection even if things go right on the back end of those draft picks. And I don't really care what his role he might care what his role is. That's my thing. That's all I'm saying is that he might care. He cares if he cares and it's not him getting as many looks as he'd like. You just wonder how that plays out. I'm just not saying that I think that he's going to is me saying I don't know. I would hope that he doesn't for the sake of like you probably have become the favorite out of the west, which given where they were, that should be all that matters. Look, I would think I would hope. So here's my message to Deandre ayton. These three other dudes, ones at MVP, one of the 12 to 15 greatest players of all time at worst. One is the point God. The other guy was on the MVP ballot last year. We're not throwing the ball to you in the postman. Like it's just not gonna happen. If we do, it's probably because you have a switch and you better fucking punish the switch. I don't wanna see these fadeaway jumpers over guards, like do something productive with the switch. Number two, you're urging 19 a game in the NBA, the National Basketball Association. That's pretty freaking good. You set screens for those three dudes. This is the greatest collection of pick and roll ball handling on one team. I think in the history of the NBA. I think if we went back and looked at every team, we're in the spread pick and roll era now, obviously, I don't think there's ever been this much pick and roll ball handling on any team. You are going to walk in to 18 points a game. You're going to go screen, you're going to move toward the rim. The ball's going to be in your head and be like, oh my God, I can just dunk. You're going to walk into 18, which means on Sunday nights you're going to walk into 25. Just be happy, do your job. You have a max contract end of Deandre in discussion. You were at the first game, Luca and Kyrie played together. They are now zero and two as teammates to high scoring losses, one to the kings and one last night to the Minnesota Timberwolves with Anthony Edwards and Jaden McDaniels like freaking Venus flytraps at the end of the game. Wow. Enveloping Kyrie and Luca as they played hot potato with the ball. That came after Kyrie had an absolutely outrageous fourth quarter scoring explosion of 20 something points. Initial impressions of the partnership. Yeah, man, I mean, even before they partnered up, man, those first quarters with Kyrie without Luca playing were 40 point quarters too. And I saw a couple of those. I mean, I'll put it this way. They can score and I don't know that that was ever going to be a question, but I want to caution people that are looking at what's happening with them and the two start saying, I don't see it's not going to work. They're lineups with those two have been unstoppable, offensively. And have outscored opponents. It's kind of been the bench stuff that has gotten them in trouble, and obviously they're not anywhere near full strength, Hardaway got hurt during the game that I was at in Sacramento the other night. They've got plenty of healing to do. And once they do that, I think it might be a different issue, but they won't shoot this hot forever. You're not going to have 26 point quarters from Kyrie every night. Which by the way, and that franchise's history, I think, Dirk had one quarter that was 29 that maybe he had, and then I think they said that Luca had a 28 point quarter at one point. So Kyrie within his first couple of games is already making close to records for the map. So it's going to be a force to be reckoned with to try to stop them on offense, particularly once they have everybody back in the mix. They've been stuff is what they have to figure out. So I've been really, really impressed. I'm still a little bit concerned about their defense when all is said and done. Aside from even just their bench, I think that teams good offense is good teams are going to be able to take advantage. I think of Luca and Kyrie being out there at the same time. But the flip side of it is just as true. How do you stop two guys like that? The open shots that they're going to get. I think really when we watch that possession last night, as you said, the Timberwolves just shut down. It was one of the most impressive defensive possessions I've seen with just two people in a while. Those two still need to learn how to play off each other. I think they probably will. And that instance, it looked like they were just standing too close to each other. And really kind of doing the Timberwolves as good as that defensive possession was doing them a favor by not spreading the floor a little bit
The Bill Simmons Podcast
"jaden mcdaniels" Discussed on The Bill Simmons Podcast
"Week. And you wouldn't even have to edit it at all, really? He's just like, that's easy money. You're not going to believe this, but rob Williams is an available tonight. But no, let's just finish on the east thing though. Boston adds whatever, we don't know. I'm with you. I feel like Brock has been exactly who I thought he would be. He's exactly what I would think like, man, it's really good sometimes and sometimes, you know, whatever, but when he's healthy, it's a huge party rotation. And then I think Daryl deserves a ton of credit for the McDaniels ad to go if I want to mess with this three and D option, which I thought they had him with shake and with the Anthony dible been out of Roche it felt like he was starting to get minutes again. Maybe they're like, hey, maybe we just we just kind of give them minutes to this guy. Not saying like Jaden McDaniels is perfect, but I think it improves that in a very marginal move where it's like, how did they end up with him? Yeah. Which also speaks to the Charlotte thing. So it feels like those three teams with the Philly. Doc was just done with tybalt. And yeah, if you're the GM, you're like, all right, I have this guy. He's clearly something, but my coach has done with them. So I have to pick one. And he picked up. Well, it's tough. It's tough for Tibet to survive with that. That's why I think you calling your broker saying I'm not quite ready yet. I might get a bounce here because if you're a non shooter off of the one true post about more. You kidding, I went back. You bought more. Yeah, I'm back in. I didn't have enough. We mentioned the zag, the pearl trade, the bones highland one we covered. We did mention the funniest trade yet. I like just one of the funniest trades in 5 years. Patrick Beverly, 17 hours after retweeting the picture of him in D'angelo Russell and we're back or did one of those tweets. He gets sent to Orlando with the second round pick for mo bamba. And I guess Beverly's gonna get bought out. I would assume Minnesota would grab him and then Minnesota would have the Conley and Patrick Beverly. This is way better for team chemistry than having D'angelo Russell on our team. Backcourt. Mo bamba in the Lakers, watching the Laker fans try to talk themselves into him. We also have an incredible situation of KFC, the number one mobile fan, probably in the United States. Now they're in the same city, do we do like an Austin rivers and Pasha type of type of podcast? I'm into it. See?
The Bill Simmons Podcast
"jaden mcdaniels" Discussed on The Bill Simmons Podcast
"Bracket and just pit people against each other and have people vote and see how that goes. So we did 64. We also have a pretty healthy honorable mention of like 17 or 18 guys. I'm just going to go through it quickly. You stop me if you get excited about any of these names. Honorable mention. Kyle Kuzma, I like his contract 13 million a year, solid starter, not good enough for the trade value. Jaden McDaniels, who we found out, apparently had an incredible amount of back. It's a Minnesota. Since they were touting that they didn't have to throw them into the Gobert shape. They were all excited about that. So I'm just putting them on there for that. Caruso? I just Alex curse, I like the contract. What is it like 9 million a year? I know that guy can play in the playoffs. You have any problem with him, honorable mention? No, not at all. I thought he was a really important part of the bulls are a separate topic altogether, but they just, it's like you want guys like that in your basketball team. Yep. Vucevic was honorable mention for me. He's in the last year of his contract, which I think has to play in at least a little bit when you think of value. I also, I didn't, I thought he was good, not great. He's 25 million a year. I thought that kind of overpaid looking back at what they gave Orlando in that thing. And it's not that excited about it, putting him in the 64 over some of these other guys. Were you surprised that he didn't make it? No, not at all. Okay, good. Gary Trent junior, three and D guy, about 16 million a year. If he was like at about 8, I'd be more excited about that one. John Collins, who we know should be honorable mention because they
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"jaden mcdaniels" Discussed on The Bill Simmons Podcast
"Prince and pics and some other stuff. And I think at some point, doctor buss famously stepped in and was like, what are we doing? We're not trading this guy. But I think it was going to be the pistons. So this has happened. Hakeem almost, there was a stretch there where hakim was in the trade rumors, getting shopped a little bit, and then they didn't trade him. They won two titles. There was a lot of recent Larry Brown stuff. Yeah. Oh yeah, so Rudy says the quote is at this point. I'll go play on Pluto right now. That's what Kobe said. About, yeah, he got super unhappy. They worked it out. And I think with Durant, you know, they're not going to give them away and put themselves in a situation not to have a chance to win the title. So if they feel like New Orleans is like, here's Brandon Ingram in a thousand picks. Maybe they'll do it. I don't know, but that's still 60, 70% on the dollar for this year's team. I would have, I personally would have had Jaden McDaniels won Tyler on this list. I actually think he's been the breakout star of the summer because I'm positive that unless you're a hardcore NBA person. You don't know what he looks like. You vaguely remember seeing him in a couple Timberwolves playoff games. You might think you're talking about Jalen when you say you know who he is. You might think you're talking about the Jalen McDaniels and not Jaden McDaniels. Right. I might have even caught him Jalen McDaniels on this podcast. When it's Jade, okay, I have some of my honorable mentions for you. First of all, can not believe skinny Luca didn't get even a mention. I don't know where you were. I feel like I know it's summer. You're having some rose on the beach. Kind of chilling. I don't know what you're up to. Maybe you're not as focused as usual, but that Luca biceps photo, you're usually all over, stuff like that, but we'll give you a pass. Your summertime. I should give a shout out then to the person who did the shading on those biceps. They did a great job. They look. It's Damian Lillard social guy. He was doing the rancher of the blazers thing and he came in for free. I have as a summer character, Kauai. Just because he's the opposite of every one of these other guys, there's no Kauai updates. We haven't seen him do anything. I don't know where he is. I don't know where he lives. I don't know if it's a 100%. I don't know if he likes the clipper boobs. I don't know if he's excited for the season. He's just, where is he? One of my favorite things is towards the end of the regular season and in the beginning of the playoffs was seeing Kawhi and Paul George on the bench at clippers games because they were literally dressed the way I dressed throughout COVID where it was like Patagonia's shorts and t-shirts and both at once clearly had not come from working out, but we're not in any way trying to dress up for being on the bench for an NBA game. They were just like, yeah, we're from home, brother. It's the revolution. I really want that to be continuing trend. Tyler, was he excited about John wall? Did he have input on it? We just don't know. I feel like I feel like the last time that we got was the last time we got a public sighting when he was eating chicken fingers on the sidelines of the Super Bowl and he like wasn't clapping like the rest of the team was clapping and he wasn't. Is that the last time that people saw him? Yeah, maybe there was video of him. Remember what Chris mentioned, where he's hitting a couple threes. And people got excited that he made coming back for the playing game. But yeah, it's amazing. These guys are so omnipresent, right? Katie is ready to fight with anybody on Twitter. LeBron comes jumping off the top rope every once in a while. These tweets or he knew all along, this guy, like he does his whole thing. On down the line, Kyrie, and then Kawhi is just gone. Two more for me. Popovich? A guy. Both of you guys like a lot. I just think it's hilarious. That they are the favorites for not a for one pinata or whatever whatever we're going to end up calling it. Popovich had this long quote about tanking. That I'm going to read to you guys, Kyle marked this. Because I wrote it down for myself. The fuck is it? Oh, I took a screenshot hold on, sorry. Pick it up. So Popovich, remember they were going for the playing game and he gave this long soliloquy and tanking. Right. Thanks to just the terminator for recirculating this on Twitter. He said, part of it is it's just not who we are. It's not who I am. I can't operate like that. Which might not be the most intelligent overall philosophy to have, and I get that. But we am who we am. We're gonna go out, we're gonna go ahead and compete. I think the young players gain a real understanding of a philosophically moral space where it's the right thing.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
"jaden mcdaniels" Discussed on The Bill Simmons Podcast
"To thrive. And Anthony Andrews. You have this lady with the McDaniels thing. We should put Jaden McDaniels on the media guide cover. I like that title like how Bobby marks is the cap expert for ESPN. Tyler's like our small market expert. That's right. Let's go to our small market expert Tyler Parker. How important is it to Minnesota that Rudy Gobert wanted to play there? To be there, guys. He actually wants to go. It's not nothing. It's like for shella when he was the international expert guy for like 5 years in the draft. The draft I did, where it's like, they picked Yanis. Let's go to friend. France actually see them. He's been in the room with them. I think we've spent more time rock talking about Rudy Gobert. Than any, probably in essential, really good all star player since Roy hibbert, the two years of Roy hibbert. Conversation. The verticality right here. There were features. He made the Conference Finals twice. They beat the Knicks because the nicks couldn't solve Roy hibbert. How do you look back and you're like, man, that was a lot of Roy hibbert. We were doing there for two years on grantland. I think Gobert will be the same. All right, number two, Tyler, what do you got? Well, number two, and number one, I think we can just lump and talk together, Kyrie and KD at one. I think, I mean, and you can just the entire whole net kind of fiasco here, I think, is probably worth two slots. But yeah, Kyrie, you know, winds up opting into the final year of his deal and then basically is soon as he clicked the yellow button on the DocuSign, Kevin Durant rich climbing hit send on a get me out of here. And. It is, yeah, it's a pretty wild collapse and I think that nobody looks good, really at all. On some level, I get the people who say that, hey, they enabled this behavior for this long, you know, how dare they all of a sudden try to get strong about it. I kind of get that. But I also think that Kyrie is not to be trusted as an employee at this point. And I don't know what Durant is thinking, you know, hitching his wagon to him. And so yeah, it's been it's been pretty wild to watch from the hardened trade like when they got him to this point. I mean, they lived so many lives as an NBA team and it has not been a long time. Chris, where would you rank their friendships among the most tragic friendships we've had in sports or pop culture? Would you put them over or acts of foley and Mikey tandi? Just a bad match friendships? What was the one from at close range where it's like Sean Penn is friend? Yeah, it's like I don't even know now what's theater and what's real because now I think there's like a little bit of a growing sentiment that actually the next might just wait this out and it's not a growing sentiment. That's what they're going to do. They're not going to give KD away. They're wired the same way that Darrell was with Ben Simmons. They're just, they're not going to be like cool. Here's this asset we have. We'll take 50 cents on the dollar for them. Can we do a little quasi recent history lesson and talk about when Kobe asked to be traded? Because I was trying to remember this story before we did the pod today. And I think did he go on sports radio and say he'd rather be on Pluto than play for the Lakers again? Was that true? I don't remember that part. I just remember Chicago and Detroit were involved. And was it the clippers, right? The clippers were, I remember that. No, but Detroit was the one that almost happened. Okay. Yeah, that was like rip Hamilton and tayshaun.
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"jaden mcdaniels" Discussed on The Bill Simmons Podcast
"They'd never made a trade before. And I think they were getting crushed. And I think they were in full panic, at least the owner was, Mark, what's his name, aioli? Mark Laurie? Mark aioli. I don't know. More curly is a sandwich that I've had a couple of times. So I think they were like frantically trying to spin like some sort of win from the trade that wasn't just, we've traded way too much for you to go bear. I mean, the odds didn't. The odds on fandor are 36 to one from the title. This is the first all in trade where they couldn't even get to 30 to one for the roster to win the title. So I think they started pushing this McDaniels angle hard to try to be like, oh, and we got Gobert and we didn't give up Jayden McDaniels. It just feels very like they were in a room just like we got to come up with something. We got to come up with some way to make it seem like we didn't just overpay for this guy. But it was new owner syndrome as we did. It did feel like some damage control. One of the things that I thought was telling and as a fan of another small market team in the thunder, I totally get this sentiment is in the athletic piece that dropped kind of where the McDaniels bit was in there and all that stuff. One of the reasons that they gave for why they were pumped up about getting Gobert is that it would be hard to find another star player who is open to Minnesota the way Gobert was. And that's not nothing. And. I don't say that as a dig at Minnesota because it would be awesome to go play with Anthony Edwards like sign me up. Yeah. But. I totally get that being part of the equation. If I'm Tim Conley, I'm tripling down on the Jaden McDaniels stuff. I'm saying that the only reason we did Gobert was because we thought he would create a great culture for Jaden McDaniels.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
"jaden mcdaniels" Discussed on The Bill Simmons Podcast
"All right, coming back our summer NBA characters at the air tower Parker. Chris Ryan joining us as well. Tyler. We have three left. Who's number three? Rudy Gobert. In the three spot. And you can include Jaden McDaniels, the untouchable Jade McDaniels in this. You can throw in Anthony Edwards who had a quote last year who basically said, I'm not afraid of Rudy Gobert the rim. He does not put fear into me. Yeah. You could put the fact that they're doing it. They're going to pay him $47 million in 2026, which is so much money. For first round picks, walker Kessler, Gerry Vanderbilt, who leandra, don't call me Barbosa bone marrow and Malik Beasley. I think that Gobert is gonna make the wolves like really good and I also think that's so much to give up for Rudy Gobert. Do you think did you ever expect that we were going to talk about Rudy Gobert this much at any point as NBA fans? Honestly, never, even when he signed for all that money, I was just sort of like, you know, I get why the jazz have to sign him for it and he's obviously on the market he's worth it, right? But yeah, guys, you don't have to guard scare me and I know he can go catch a bunch of lobs and stuff and hopefully D'angelo Russell's going to look for him. But yeah, well, dating back to what about the COVID? The Rudy Gobert game? Yes. Basically starts the pandemic that night. That's it. Thunder medical dude. Now we have, which is one of the craziest traits in the history of the league. This is just way more he's become the lightning rod of like this analytics argument, Chris, where it's like, KSC is like almost a Gobert truther at this point. Yeah, Kasey's aggressive about it. You know, but it's also interesting because we don't have a lot of examples, Utah's kind of like the forbidden zone of the NBA. Like, guys go in, did they ever come out? Who can say? I don't really know. Like, you know, it's like Derek Williams. I'm still don't believe that he ever left the jazz, like when he was treated that time. That Harper made the Met harbor is going to make the 15 man this year, they're saying. It's going to be really interesting to see him outside of the Utah kind of ecosystem. And then of course, as you guys alluded to, the whole Rudy Gobert trade situation introduced this idea of the untouchable Jaden McDaniels. And I want to make a mock untouchables poster that's Jaden McDaniels, tyrese maxi. You know, anybody else like who's just like only the gotta be in there. That is the best. It's the ratty bubble all stars. But it's only the guys that like local fans know about really. The McDaniels thing brought me so much joy because they make the trade, they get hammered immediately. People are just like, oh my God, that's so much. And then we'll shed the second tweet of like the rules are related. They didn't have to go with Jamie Taylor. Then the athletic, the guy who covers Minnesota for him. He had that in there too about Danny ainge really wanted Jaden McDaniels, but that was a bridge too far for the Timberwolves. And it's like, was it? So they basically made it seem like we'll give you more in protected picks if you drop the Jaden McDaniels thing. And it's like, wait a second. So what is he worth on the open market? Because I did my trade value list. I did 64 guys that did honorable mention, and I didn't have them on it. So that's like 75 guys I had and I never occurred to me to put Jada McDaniels on that list. So is he where Tyler is he worth apparently two unprotected first? I don't understand it. It's wild that that was a hang up. I. Guess it could go one or two. He's right, either he's boob or he's like, you know, pool or something whenever people were trying to throw him in trades for a while. And then he blew it. For the record, I do like him and I get what you're saying. But there's a difference between being good and being worth that number of picks. Would they have included him if it was for Durant? Obviously not. That at this point. I just give you a little bit of ombudsman commentary on your pods recently. Yeah. The trade value column is now entering the Avatar 2 zone, the amount of references you make to it, but it's like nobody's seen any footage yet. If it exists, you're like, I've just been waiting for technology to catch up with me. So that I can make this thing. It's like when they say the car stopped and the zapruder film in the fridge got cut out. There's no proof of it. It's just a thing that some people said because they claim to have seen it. Same thing with my trade by a list. On the McDaniels thing, so here's my take. Should I go windhorse and do the fingers? I think the Timberwolves,.
NBA Front Office w/ Keith Smith & Trevor Lane
"jaden mcdaniels" Discussed on NBA Front Office w/ Keith Smith & Trevor Lane
"They were really close to Phoenix at the beginning. They were here. Then as clay came back, dremel went out as draymond came back step one out. So I think we've said this on Twitter. I think we kind of forgot how good this team was. At the beginning of the season, I don't think they're going to pick Phoenix. I won't pick them to beat Phoenix, but play Phoenix. And the west finals? Yeah, it's on the table for sure. Yeah. Oh yeah, absolutely. They definitely could. I think it's huge that they stayed on the opposite side of the bracket from Phoenix. Yep. And so that means that we're setting up for either Minnesota or Memphis in the second round for the words. Assuming they get through. Obviously one O there's still a lot of basketball to play, but let's jump to that. The upset here, that we saw the one upset, I guess. We've got the Minnesota Timberwolves come into Memphis and get a win go up one O against the grizzlies, a bit of a surprise that they were able to get that done. But you know what? You knew this was going to be a closer series than a tube 7 matchup would suggest, but you also knew that both of these teams get after it, both of these teams play with a lot of energy, a lot of heart, a lot of hustle, and it was going to be a very fun series. And that's exactly what we got here. Are you surprised that this was really the one upset that we got? I am. I didn't think it would go this way at all. I knew the wolves are an improved defensive team, but I thought Memphis would still kind of run it down their throats. All game and really cause them a ton of issues. With that, but it's the day they played great. I did not expect to see now it was really Jaden McDaniels and Malik Beasley, but they were awesome off the match for the wolves and I'll play the grizzlies bench and in part of the grizzly success lies in their depth. And I don't write in the playoffs..
The Bill Simmons Podcast
"jaden mcdaniels" Discussed on The Bill Simmons Podcast
"Just fucking will save a part two. The ESPN 100 from 2021. Chet was one. was two. Who I think went G league or my least favorite draft profile I've written out yet. Holy shit. You want to talk about non contained fuck youness in a basketball game. Well there you go. He pulls up. All right, I'll save it for the draft stuff, but hardy is like, it's unbelievable to watch. I wanted to get, I was like, oh my God, I can't believe this guy keeps doing this. Anyway, preview. Imani Bates was three who's already transferring. Paolo is for jabbar Smith was 6. The guy who was number 5 is this guy Patrick Baldwin. Who, as I was looking at him, like Patrick Baldwin, and it was deep diving in last night during the boring gold state Denver game. He was choosing basically between duke and playing for his dad and Milwaukee. And he's a 6 9 guy with handling. It kind of looks like a Doug Christie who shoots better. Ends up playing for his dad. It's a disaster. He's hurt. He has two separate months. Right. Like he missed a month came back and then missed like three plus weeks. His dad gets fired right after the season. And now in our ringer, draft board, I think he's like 25th. And to me, I'm looking at that as like, all right, that might be and like a kind of a gem of an asset. If you're getting that guy in the 20s, this guy who is a top 5 guy a year ago, and then made the mistake of going to play for his dad on a school, obviously shouldn't have picked. Maybe that's a guy. That could be next year's max. I don't know. I give him the ballot to the doubt bob. No, I did my report on him last week and it was rough. Well, remember, you didn't like Zaire Williams who had a similarly rough college thing. And now it's like, I like what I see from ziya Williams now. They might have hit that one, right? This is the thing that's impossible to figure out. And it's the Nick claxton test, all right? And this is perfect. Nick claxton at Georgia handled the ball, looked like these weird 6 ten hybrid power forward guy, more face up, try to take eyes off the dribble. I was like, this is really weird. This is really weird, and it doesn't make any sense. He's immediately figured out who he needs to be to live in the NBA. And he's going to play for a long time. So what you have to ask, which I don't know, I don't care who you are as an evaluator, you go, will this person accept because ziya Williams at Stanford, I remember being like, it starts great. Like there's some shit that he does. I'm like, yeah. Oh, wow, look at this. Look how nasty this is gonna be. And then it never worked. It felt like the foundation was always there in the finished work was terrible. He has figured out a very small role where he's out there running around. He's competing like crazy. He's stretching a defense a little bit, but he's not like trying to take over. Jaden McDaniels is my favorite version of this recently because he was running the offense at Washington for stretches. And you're like, oh, wow, is this like a 6 9 point guard prospect? Like this is crazy. You know, not like it was every single possession, but they were letting him do a bunch of different things. With Minnesota, he shoots threes and he defends his ass off. So when really impactful in game one, I thought, I think it's a really hard ask for young players who probably think if they didn't kill it in college, it's like, oh, because it's a coach's fault because that's what everybody plays basketball. He's playing coaches for two decades. Guys in pickup games. 40 fucking years old, mad at some guy in Michigan state. 20 years later. I don't know, I don't know how you can ever project like will this person accept what they need to do to fit in knowing that the all star and the shit in the posters being a little kid. And when these guys are so young, so that's why there are hits on players, but it's up to the player to figure out who they need to be in like a matter of a year. 18 months, they may have to decide, okay, this is why I'm going to be and maybe I add more shit later on, but who knows? And I think that's a huge credit to these kids in these players because I think it's almost an impossible thing to figure out before you take the player. Well, especially if you're a one and done guy, go to college. Think about the stuff that happens. Your freshman year in college, right? On top of it, you're a big man on campus. Totally. It could be. That was a huge gift for Stanford. And you would see these little pieces. Like, it's kind of like Baldwin. We're Baldwin has these moments. We're like, this guy's 6 9. He's put it on the floor. He's dribbling past guys. You're like, oh, it never goes in. All right, we're going to wrap up.
Game Theory Podcast
"jaden mcdaniels" Discussed on Game Theory Podcast
"And look as if they are cohesive enough to have a top ten defense. In addition to having really high level defenders, like Jared Vanderbilt, Jaden McDaniels, Patrick Beverly, you know, guys like that are really plus defenders. And Anthony Edwards has been better defensively. Like, he still gets a bit lost off the ball, but on the ball, he is a genuinely high level defender who has been engaged throughout the course of this year and really seems to put in impetus in emphasis. I'm sorry. On that side of the court, offensively, I think they still have some room for growth. I'm going to buy, I think they win 45. That's what I'm saying. I think that they win right around 45. And I'm losing my mind. Okay, the Portland Trail Blazers. I'm gonna buy. I think I get that. So in some ways, it's similar to the Lakers where one of the reasons the blazers have been below our expectations is because their best players haven't played well. And I haven't seen too much the avengery in a couple other things that was standing. I haven't seen anything to make me think, oh, these guys just aren't they aren't good anymore. So generally, if you expect them to get to something close to their usual standard, that's going to get this offense pretty close to supernova levels. A defensively, they can't really be worse. They don't necessarily have to be better, but they can't really be worse. And so that leads to, you know, maybe they're a plus, you know, if we talk about this in terms of debt rating, maybe the blazers are a plus one and a half plus two team. But a plus one and a half plus two team is gonna be pretty fine in the west. I sell them making the playoffs. I think they are playing team. Look, they're 11 and 13. Their net rating is 24th in the NBA right now. Do I sell or do I buy them being better than the 24th best team in the NBA? I do. So based on the standard they've shown so far I buy, but based on the standard against the rest of the west. I sell. Do we really think that this is a top 5? They're a top 5 offense without Damian Lillard playing well right now. Do we think that they're going to leap into being like a top one offense in the league? Like do we think this can be like a top three offense? I think so. They have a lot of them a lot of time. I mean, they were second last year. Yeah. So in 1819 they were fourth, they knew were third, then they were second last year. So I think it's. You remember this is a lower offense environment. It's improving, but that's where they can improve and actually improve a little bit from where they've been and be way better relative to the league, even if things get closer to normal over the course of the season. But like I don't see this changing from anything other than them being like a top let's say top 6 offense and bottom 6 defense. Yeah, I agree. But I think that they can be so like last year they had a plus 2.4 including the glass dent rating. I think they could be a little bit worse than that..
Game Theory Podcast
"jaden mcdaniels" Discussed on Game Theory Podcast
"You want to scroll or nod your head, tell your buddy, say this messed up, but I agree with this fine, but like you just get yourself into trouble. For what? What was the benefit here? What's the value play? What's the value play? Seriously. Like how he liked that tweet. You know what? We better trade for the piece. He's pissed off. Like, it's just going to come back and bite. Yeah, no. I don't really get it. Look like this is one of those things where I think that the media in general overreaches on when guys like tweets, like look, if Marvin Bagley's dad comes out and says trade my son, that's one thing, right? If we have like a context list liking of a tweet that could just be like NBA players having enormous fucking fingers dealing with small technology like phones. So I get it. There's sometimes like, oh, then we have to do that just unclick it real quickly. This wasn't what so I don't even want to be here or get me out here tweet. It wasn't that. Yeah, no. This is one of those times where I wish that we would be a bit more responsible in the way that we frame coverage. I'm sorry that it's a business. You have to do it. It's like it has to be covered. Tim rolls beecher list or an NBA Twitter account. They're not gonna let that one slide. You can't. Yeah, I'm sorry, the Timberwolves fans have to deal with this. Look, they finally have excitement. I know that they're on a bit of a skid right now, but they finally have excitement. They have Anthony Edwards. They have Karl Anthony towns. D'angelo Russell hasn't played well yet, but they've Jaden McDaniels who I think looks great. They're finally defending for the first time in a while. Let's ease up on this shit. Let's just chill a little bit. Okay. We wanted to transition into actually before we transitioned to talking about sophomores. I want to get the feel of the lay of the land in Boston from our Boston correspondent Matthew penny here. So they hold an emotional players only meeting with the Celtics. What do we think is going on with the Celtics right now, penny? I don't have an answer, but whatever the meat it was, Jalen Brown came out and had an unbelievable two a performance. So if there's any glimmer of hope that was it because there was a players only meeting and then Lowe's reported that it wasn't like a great one, like they came out, not all buddy buddy. Luckily they did play the magic last night and had a resounding victory. The best way to get the best way to get over a skid is to play the Orlando Magic. Oh, yeah, I was crew texting my buddies this morning. They fled the magic. I'm like,.
Game Theory Podcast
"jaden mcdaniels" Discussed on Game Theory Podcast
"Their Sacramento first. So they're probably pretty tasty. And buddy field fits and filling, right? Really well. Really well. And Bagley, I think, is it still kind of interesting if you're a rebuilding team, which the blazers would be, the second they did a Lillard deal. So I think that part is an interesting one. So there's that. Let's talk about that thing first because I don't think that's an interesting offer at all for bed. Okay. And I think it's mostly because I think Marvin Bagley at this point is like Sekou level like salary ballast in a trade. I'm just not really interested. You would have to have a level of belief in badly that is not supported by his recent performance, let's say. I get that he was the number two overall pick, but we've seen it for three years now. He might be one of the ten works defenders in the NBA. Certainly among bigs, he's one of the ten worst offenders in the NBA. I just can't. I can't quite get there with Bagley. The king's pick's idea. I think is very true. But I think that I think I would need Davy on Mitchell. Yeah, I was gonna say how much does Mitchell sweeten the pot yeah. That would be one. I would need Mitchell in a deal for Ben Simmons. I would need it to be like Mitchell healed. You'd have to throw in Bagley and multiple firsts. There's just no. I just don't. Yeah. You could actually throw in Tristan Thompson instead of Bagley if you wanted. I don't. I don't. I'm sure rich ball would be real happy about that too, getting one client getting at least one client out of send in one back that way. That would be great. Today's episode of the game theory podcast is sponsored by the NBA and their quest to advance the game of basketball. Grow the community and impact culture. The league celebrates its teams, players and fans across the past present and future as part of the 75th anniversary season. That's game highlights pivotal moments on court and beyond from iconic plays in arenas to the high impact players have in the community. That's the NBA. That's game. Think about it like when max stress got that tip off at the end of the second overtime in summer league. He just got the ball, he took like 6 dribbles up. He took a shot, ball went through the hoop. He did his true strut as Matt Benny likes to say, and he called game. That's the NBA. That's game. This is more than just basketball. It's what connects us all and keeps us coming back for more. That's the NBA that's game. Today's episode is sponsored by the NBA and their quest to advance the game a basketball grow the community and impact culture. The league celebrates its teams, players and fans across the past present and future as part of the 75th anniversary season. That's game highlights pivotal moments on court and beyond from iconic plays in arenas to the impact players have in communities. That's the NBA. That's game. It's like game 5 of the NBA Finals where I was lucky enough to be there, buck sons in Milwaukee. I'm sitting kitty corner from Giannis out of the Cuomo as he rises up for that incredible alley of drew holiday having stolen the ball from Devin Booker on the other side. I found Yanis in transition, incredible stuff. That's the NBA. That's game. This is more than just basketball. It's what connects us all and keeps us coming back for more. That's the NBA that's game. The one that stood out to me the whole time was Minnesota, but I think that your point about making the move that makes you still in the ballpark for Lillard. Makes a Minnesota deal less interesting. And I think it's actually something I really agree with you on that making the deal that makes it possible to stay in the game for a Lillard is the most important move now. And I don't know if Minnesota doing something like Malik Beasley D'angelo Russell, Jaden McDaniels in like a couple of firsts. I don't know if that keeps them in the game for a Lillard. Yeah, and it makes them really expensive too. You know, you'd almost rather not have Russell in the deal because I don't know how Russell does Russell really help you in a Lillard trade? No, I don't think he helps you at all in a Lillard deal. Unless there are delusional they were still gonna win. We're not taking, you know. Which I don't put it past Neil will say, I don't think. That could be his thing. I mean, there has never been a point I feel like where he has really actively tried to dismantle it, but then Abby, but there was when they reset after Lamarcus left in west Matthew's tour as Achilles, and they did actually reset. And they just did it quickly enough that they ended up making the playoffs even though they didn't expect to. So I don't I don't see a like delusional fake rebuild type scenario happening there. I think if they I think if they look a little deal happens, they're busting out the dynamite. I would hope so, especially given that nurkic has one year left on that deal, CJ McCollum would still have value. League wide, I think at the very least. I would just hope that they do blow it up. So you would almost rather go, would you rather have Beverly in that deal than Russell? Yeah, I mean, you could put Beverly or a prince as your salary ballast with Beasley and McDaniels, right? And you get to the number you need to write, that's still probably not enough, isn't it? You need those T wolves first and just counting on the T wolves, T wolves and things up and adding value to your first that way. The thing that would worry me about the tea wolves just like tea wolves and things up is that I think that team would actually be really good if they had Ben Simmons because he's the perfect piece. Yeah. Totally, yeah. You end up with Edwards towns Russell and yeah, that's I mean, that's pretty good because they're shooting around him, his defense helps, you know, the fact that nobody else there plays any defense and you just need one or two other things at that point and you're pretty good. Yeah, like the Ben Simmons as like a connective piece between Anthony Edwards and Carl towns. You could run like four or 5 or 5 four ball screening action with towns and Simmons. You could run like towns as a wing floor spacer for like Edward Simmons screening actions. There are just so many different ways to run that offense at that point. Plus, you would get the perfect complement for Carl Anthony towns defensively at that point. I mean, that's a Minnesota. I understand why it seems like they're trying to pull out all the stops to get Ben Simmons because that is the player that is on the market right now that I think they should be chasing. Yeah. Is there like who are the other teams that you see as pretty interesting here? You know, could Indiana get in this? I've been kind of sneaky one during about them for a little while. Because they kind of need to do.
Game Theory Podcast
"jaden mcdaniels" Discussed on Game Theory Podcast
"He's smaller, but a lot of their perimeter players are bigger and can at least handle the load as like the lead perimeter player in D'angelo Russell and Anthony Edwards. I kind of like the fit of Patrick Beverly with a lot of their backcourt mates, I guess. Yeah, I just wonder personality wise what that looks like with Karl Anthony towns in particular. I have my doubts about that. At that particular fit, but yeah, I don't know. I just have a hard time envisioning what this team looks like as a great team. Or as even a good team. I've seen that makes the play in. You know, I just don't we're just going to have to see a leap. We need to see a pretty big leap from Anthony Edwards, or if Malik Beasley can put it together, or maybe Jaden McDaniels really pops. He looked great this summer, but they need somebody to pop, like pretty big in order to get to even the playing level. Because otherwise I just don't see it. I don't know what they're building toward in terms of defensive identity. It is my biggest problem. There are three best players are D'angelo Russell, Anthony Edwards and Carl towns. And all three of those guys report offenders. And Malik Beasley. Is gonna play real minutes at the very least. And he's an exceedingly poor defender. He might be worse than the all three of the other ones. So yeah. You can have Patrick Beverly, you can have Jaden McDaniels you can have Joshua kogi and all of those guys are good defenders and maybe they can go out and they can bring back Jared Vanderbilt who I thought was really good last year. I'm a little bit surprised that he's still out on the market. If I was Oklahoma City, for instance, I would be looking pretty substantially at him. And I'm sure we'll talk about Oklahoma City here momentarily. But like I said, you can bring in Patrick Beverly, but as long as you're four key offensive players, are this bad on defense? It's just gonna be really, really hard to do anything substantial on that end, like Ricky Rubio started 51 games this year. He's a really good defender as a point guard. They have Jaden McDaniels. They Josh kogi this year, jerk Culver, when he played as a pretty good defender, even though he can't really do anything else. Jared Vanderbilt's athletic, but it doesn't matter when you have three guys out there next to them that are just total non defenders in the way that towns Beasley Edwards and Russell are. Yeah. And it's not only like the lack of cohesion on the defensive end because they're just won't be..
Game Theory Podcast
"jaden mcdaniels" Discussed on Game Theory Podcast
"I mean, we all know about defense, but even on offense, like, there were times CJ show up times. You wouldn't, I just think that the Ben Simmons swap off seajay. Just makes so much sense for both sides. Like, even in Philly for CJ, there are enough guys there to hide his deficiencies on defense, and he can just kind of be the guy. He's always wanted to be in late games. Like, obviously have to share the load with indeed, but he's the perimeter guy and maybe that takes them to another level. I agree with you, somebody told me when I offered that they're like you haven't CJ's 29th. Like silly is trying to win. Now, this isn't like, you have to go for this and it, if CJ's, the best player you can get, which I think is like I think that's your player. Like, I think John Hollinger throughout Levine today. I thought I would put them in similar to your make a living at the top of that. T r, i don't think. Anyway, Chicago would trade Levine I don't and also I don't, that's Chicago team would score. What twenty points, a game that would be off this team. Like I don't, I don't know man. I don't know why they would why they would want to do that, but I got, I got understood John's logic. But yeah, I just I think the Portland Philly Trader, Joe's. I mean people have been shouting, it makes so much sense but I think CJ is absolutely the cut off for the type of tear player you can get for been at this point in time. Maybe I'm wrong but I feel like that's probably the highest you could go. No, I think it's interesting. And I've been trying to figure out like is there a package of players where like 4 a.m. Philadelphia because ultimately Philadelphia holds cars here, right? They have to say, yes we're trading. Ben Simmons. Is there a package of players that makes more sense than CJ? And I think that song like if they could get from Minnesota D'Angelo Russell, Jaden McDaniels in like a pick or something. I like that. That's interesting to me because like Army like wage, I would take Jaden, McDaniels based off of what we saw like something, you know, like as a top ten pick in this draft. I think Jaden was incredible this year on defense. He knocked down spot shots with a shot, 36% from 3. Like looks like a more of a big way, you know player, not as good defensively as Matisse duyvil, but more of a two-way guy off then Matisse, which I think is really valuable for them as they close lineups. So you're not only getting D'Angelo Russell, you're getting another guy that I think it can play a role. On a playoff team next year, who is only twenty years old and like that deal under a rookie contract. For three years in on the Minnesota side, you pair Anthony Edwards and Carl pounds. With Ben Simmons, where Karl towns is like the perfect fit offensively for been because of the way he space. Is it, you know, high volume three, point shooter, whereas Joelle is more of a game. I don't want to say like a fake 3-point shooter, but not necessarily a guy that gets respect out there, everyone kind of crowds the paint against him, you absolutely have to respect, whatever Karl towns is doing away from the basket off, and I think that Ben would really help kind of take the work load off of, you know, Anthony Edwards as he's young and kind of continues to develop and then on top of it, Chris Finch is their coach..
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"jaden mcdaniels" Discussed on Game Theory Podcast
"I had the last year's as, you know, saying and I'm a sucker for six nine guys, that show any type of football skills and versatility did Jaden McDaniels of the world, but yeah, I don't either. It's pretty tough. But I will let's have another conversation here in the next couple of weeks. And I promise you, I will have the answer for you, but guys that like kind of like Austin Reaves is kind of interesting to me, I don't know. I'm kind of curious about this. Like I'm again, I haven't done the Intel or the as much research on some of these guys. As I I need to before the draft, but that likes that you talked about 16 range or even 6:30. Like some of these guys that, you know, the Brandon Boston's, the Josh, Christopher's desire Williams, like some of those guys that were initially supposed to be Lottery. Guys, I wonder if there's if that's where the value is a draft. If you think that if you're a believer that that like lack of success, in their freshman year was temporary and you would bet on it long-term or like the development eventually happening. I don't know. Maybe that is The Sweet Spot of this year's draft but that's just some of the things I'm I'm trying to think of no. Well I I didn't answer your question about how I apologize light off. Right here, was it? You I was talking to. I can't remember where it was. Like, you just kind of brought up like he's never been good. Oh no, that wasn't me. But okay, I haven't talked about Zaire little bit. Yeah, as long to someone that, they, they brought up the fact like Zaire has just never been like great, you know, like he's never statistically in terms of production been as good as what you would think, based off of his reputation, right? But when when I go back and watch his tape, I'm I kind of loved the way that even though it was not great this year and he was very inefficient and he struggled at times like I kind of thought this is like NBA level tape just in terms of the way he gets to step back the way that you can see, like the contact balance is just off right now. He's he's not strong enough like as he gets stronger, you can see how he's going to like really improve. I think I would take Zaire like, like fires like pretty close to the lottery. Like I get it that it's that that's probably like a hot take given how like, poor his season went, but I think I would still take him pretty close to the lottery at this point. Yeah, I agree with you. I mean, again, it's, it's hard to find six 8. I mean, to me positional size is like one of the immediate things that translates you have to have as I'm person as I value life guys..
Game Theory Podcast
"jaden mcdaniels" Discussed on Game Theory Podcast
"So like is there something there? What do and, and also just, what do they do with Sue Clifford? I mean, my name is, it could be a circumstance where I don't know, exact contract situation where they like, kind of let him out. He's for two reasons. One Clifford is more of a, he's a wonderful for raising coach, and that's not what they need right now, because they're going to get a premium draft guy said here, they're kind of moving into a different phase. Even if Clifford is a very good coach, you still might want somebody different who kind of sets the table for Wednesday is going. And so, there might be a circumstance where they kind of mutually part ways. It's possible. I just want to point out that the mo Bamba sounds is is thriving over the last name. Games. It's playing 20 minutes a night. 11 points 7.6 rebounds 1.7 Blocks. He's making over a three per game. I'm enjoying the mo Bamba experience. It's probably not going to be a great pick at number six, where they took him, but I'm enjoying the experience, nonetheless. Yeah, I'm going to have fun watching. I'm going to try to watch more film on him in the offseason. I'd spend such a such a whirlwind. Yeah, right now in the office, have been so abysmal that I think watching watching some dedicated film will probably be better off. I've watched, I've watched you mean, I've watched the magic but I don't have I don't have an opinion yet. Yeah. The Minnesota Timberwolves have decided to get a lot of games here. Late in potentially push themselves out of that Golden State pick. So, I think that they're hoping that they land in the top four. Obviously to keep that pic, in, then AM stations this summer get interesting because they theoretically have like a potential core. Like they have Karl towns Anthony Edwards, D'Angelo Russell, Malik Beasley, and those guys have them. Together a time. Like, I would imagine that they want to see those guys. I also am a big, Jaden, McDaniels guy based off of what we've seen so far. His ability to knock down shots from the perimeter and be very disruptive. Defensively wage has been really effective for them. I'm the Wolves also don't have catfish. I mean, whether it's the the decision to functionally, I mean there was other things involved but to swap Johnson for Ricky Rubio that was largely a decision to punt on spending power. Not even just cap space there. So close they're so close to the tax that if the pick up they keep their pick, they would have to shed salary in order to duck under that. There are ways that Minnesota can do that, but that is a real challenge for Garrison, rosis and their front office. They, they already hired their coach, so they took to deal with that which is going to be interesting. I've, I've liked with Chris Finch has done so far and yeah, I think though and it's weird that there are certain parallels to where the Wolves were last year, just because they had such a Star-Crossed snake-bit season where they didn't get to see Russell towns and Edwards together enough. So they're going to have to do some of that evaluation next year, but the consequences of that aren't particularly dire because there wasn't any, they weren't didn't lose any flexibility like that. That was going to have to happen later anyway. Yeah, I mean, do you think there's a case for like trying to make a move on like, page? One of these leader?.