17 Burst results for "Jacques Villeneuve"
The Final Lap
"jacques villeneuve" Discussed on The Final Lap
"Even if you lock yourself in on qualifying time, that car has to run during the duels and has to actually start the duels for you to be able to make the race. We saw that almost impact Jacques Villeneuve last year when a hesberg car didn't want to fire in their duel after they locked themselves in unqualified speed. So they just have to fire it and run a lap and they can pull it back here. If they want. As long as they start that race, they're good, but they do have to start that race. And there were some nervous moments and that hesburgh pit during that. I was watching it all play out last year. Josh raum, who was kind of helping run that team. I was on the pit wall barking out orders. They were in a frantic situation. They got it squared away, made the race, but my goodness. You could cut that tension with a knife. It was thick, man. Wow. Check out the dual races on FS1. Then there's practices on Friday and Saturday. And then on that Sunday, the 75th NASCAR season kicks off with the 65th running of the great American race, took him ten years to come up with that great idea. The Daytona 500 to 30 p.m. eastern on Fox. Yes, yes, yes, man. I am excited. This season is here here. Next week, we will be doing a preview show. Yes. With rowdy. Yes, with rowdy, I'm excited. This is what it's all about. Final app weeklies back. NASCAR is back. This is what it's all about. We're about to do what we're paid to do, Carrie. We're going to be doing the best NASCAR coverage you can possibly have in the world of podcasts and websites and everything else. So that's what we do. I agree wholeheartedly. Thank you again to Eric o'mara for spending some time with us. And if you like our show, tell ten of your friends. Take their phones. Yeah, I'm upping the game now. Ten of your friends yank their phones, go to their podcasting app, hit subscribe for the final app weekly. And then throw the phone back at them. Amazing. Amazing. I'm taking no prisoners now. Checkered flag is flying on this show. This has been the final app. We can catch us next week right here. When we will, I guess, we'll mention the football game, but we will preview the Daytona 500 and all the stories in between Tobey and I will chat next week. We will, man, and it'll be fun. It'll be a good time.
Past Gas
"jacques villeneuve" Discussed on Past Gas
"Sick, man. Pros retirement at the end of the season, ushered in a game changing lineup for Williams. Ayrton Senna, a three time world champion at only 33 years old. Join the team for the 1994 season. We say that at only 33 years old now, but now Max Verstappen is two time at like 25 or whatever. Way retired. How old is Fernando Alonso? He's like 60. Fernando is what? 41 is 41. His ancient. It's pretty old. As we know, and covered in our past gas episode about the 1994 F one season, tragedy was just around the corner. Senate was killed in a devastating crash at the San Marino Grand Prix. In that instant, everything changed for Damon, responsibility of leading the Williams team fell on him, in an eerie mirroring of his father's leadership after the death of Jim Clark a few decades before, Damon two met that challenge head on. But this challenge wouldn't come without a fight. Enter the driver to beat, Michael Schumacher, the German driving for Bennington. The Damon hill Michael Schumacher rivalry is one for the record books. Their beef started at the British Grand Prix after Schumacher was disqualified for not adhering to a 5 second penalty after he had passed polls sitter Damon on the formation laps. Damon won the British Grand Prix and Schumacher got a two race ban, which really pissed Schumacher off. But he would be back, and dead set on beating Damon. The two spent the season in contention for the title, and it wasn't until the Australian Grand Prix that the 1994 season came to its controversial conclusion. Like the rest of the season, Damon and Schumacher were neck and neck for a majority of the season's final race. On lap 35 of the 81 lap contest, Schumacher went wide at the east terrace corner and brushed the wall. Damon was suddenly right behind him, and saw his chance to pass, taking the inside line into the next corner. As Damon's Williams passed alongside the Bennington, Schumacher appeared to turn in aggressively. There is contact between the two rivals, but at first it was unclear if this was intentional or not. Either way, both cars were forced to retire and resulted in Schumacher taking home the title. He had beaten Damon by a single championship point. If he watched his crash back, there's still a lot of history, a lot of narrative and a lot of people commenting on this very event. And it can look like a calculated move that Schumacher did intentionally do it. I do think that he's sort of intentionally did it, but it's also a move that he is known to make moves like that. And yes. Yes. But it's also like something a mistake or a rushed decision that you would make if you had crashed into the wall in the previous corner. So I kind of see both sides of it. I think it's better to, instead of still debating about it. In 1995, Damon came back to the grid, singularly obsessed with beating Michael Schumacher. However, that hyper focus worked against him. He put so much pressure on himself that he became sloppy. Damon turned it around by the end, but was forced to take a good look at himself before the 1996 season. Through meditation and working out, Damon became more focused than ever. In 1996, Damon came out of the gate swinging in his Williams FW 18 and won the first three races of the season. He had finally proven that he was a great driver in his own right, not just the son of one. Yet, he was about to face his toughest race. The Monaco Grand Prix. Due to his dad's reputation as mister Monaco Damon always felt eclipsed by his father's legacy of the Damon always felt eclipsed by his father's legacy. At the infamous track, but this year, Damon felt he could finally achieve what his father had so many times. Until he did it. Though he won two races after Monaco, it was announced that Williams was dropping him at the end of the season. With his teammate Jacques Villeneuve replacing him as William star driver. But Damon hill wasn't going down without a fight. One night, he waited outside of a bar just as Jacques entered the alley. He hit him with a pipe. Then it's not how it happened. Despite William's favoring his teammate, Damon was still in contention in the championship fight. It would all come down to the season's finale at the Japanese Grand Prix, as it often does. Even though it always rains. Now even though Villeneuve took pole position, he had a poor start to the race and was later forced to retire when a wheel fell off of his car. That scary. Ask me how I know. Always torque down your wheels studs. Then after 52 laps, Damon hill crossed the finish line and won his first driver's championship at the ripe old age of 36. Like his father before him daemon was able to shine in times of adversity and make an epic comeback when no one expected him to. When no one believed that he could. After his new championship title, Damon went on a victory lap press tour around the globe and even stopped by New York for an appearance on the Late Show with David Letterman. During the interview, Dave popped a picture of the great Graham hill onto his desk and asked Damon about his father's achievements. Damon reflects on this moment in his autobiography. It was then that I realized that this would always be the case. Graham hill was a massive star and I was just doing what he had done. But he had done it bigger. Better. Before me. And there is no getting around that. Even for a newly crowned world champion. But better to be a chip off the old block of Graham hill. Been quite a few lesser alternatives. Damon stayed in Formula One for another three seasons, until he retired, in 1999. To open for Limp Bizkit at Woodstock. What do you think of that, Andy? What do you think of that quote at the end there? I thought it was really cerebral. I thought it was really one of a kind and unafraid to reference. And it made me honestly pumped up. It's kind of like a locker room speech, you know? Yeah. There's one or two ways you can go with that. You know? There's a lot of people who are pretty good at stuff, but then one of their parents is the greatest ever. Yeah. You know? So you could either be a guy who is like, I'm excuse my dad. I can be as good. I don't want to hear about my dad. This is an interview about me. Last time I checked, I was the one getting the questions asked, or you could be like, yeah, my dad was awesome. Yeah. The best ever potentially, and I'm just grateful that I got some of that. Yeah. You know? And I think he handled that at least towards the end of his career. I think, I mean, I'm sure he wrestled with it at times. But at least at the end of his career, to me, it seems like he really found a perfect balance and a real peace. And a great deal of pride being the offspring and getting some of that amazing talent from someone who everyone agrees is one of the greatest athletes in the history of sport. You know, so I think very British answer and very, very, very graceful, very graceful, very graceful. Very graceful. Graham hill is often considered one of the most complete drivers in the history of motor sport. And his son Damon is only one of two sons alongside Nico Rosberg of a Formula One champion to also win a title. Though there is a modern obsession with nepotism in motor sport, the hill family proves that while talent and ability are important, morals and strength of character matter more. I mean, the guy did lose everything, became a
The Autosport Podcast
"jacques villeneuve" Discussed on The Autosport Podcast
"Now we know highly tipped this week we think the announcement will come that he'll be partnering Yuki tsunoda at AlphaTauri with a deal for gasly to go to Alpine. What were those in the initial rumors that swirled after his incredible performance? This is a situation where Williams wants him. You'd want to get a contract in front of him pretty quickly, give him a nice two year deal so that he's not casting his net about for a couple of years and there's that security as well. If Alpine makes the offer, you know, maybe he goes there but what are they going to offer are they going to offer a one year deal and then bring doing in for 2024? Are they going to make the same mistake with doing that they do with piastre, there's lots of different variables here. They haven't covered themselves in glory with the contract negotiations and whatever it was terms of heads or whatever that agreement was that wasn't signed on piastres. So Alpine aren't exactly I would say flavor of the month, perhaps with the driving community because they haven't treated drivers lately, perhaps best. Whilst the Williams was fast at Monza, is it fair to say that perhaps Alpine would be the quicker car? As a manager, you'd want to play both sides a little bit to get the best deal for your driver. Yes, you would. You'd be leaning on our pen a little bit, make sure that it's a two year deal that's well paid. And then you get Nick that drive. If it's a one year deal, you get on the Williams drive for more than that. That's the game I would play because it would suit me better that he was in a drive for a couple of years than just for one. And as time went on after the race, then the AlphaTauri conversation started with Pierre gasly being suggested as going to Alpine. Of course, a big French OEM already have a French man in ocon driving for them, could have gasly there as well. The ultimate French team. And then Red Bull and Christian Horner started playing the politics and of course that's what they're very good at and saying, well, we're not going to let him go without either some, you know, compensation and a half decent driver to put inside at AlphaTauri team and of course Nick de vries would be more than a half decent driver to put in that team alongside Yuki tsunoda next year. So we are just waiting for the announcement. We think this week we think at least before. Suzuka this weekend. That's all to come. That's also come, but we can't let you go without this brilliant fact of him scoring points on his debut. That whilst it's a very rare thing to do to score points on your F one debut. Not only has it been done plenty of times before, but it's actually becoming more common. Who are some of those names in the past that you can run through that have scored points on their first outing? Well, I can think of two names that did it at Williams, which de vries in very exalted company because Nico Rosberg did it in 2006 in Bahrain and he got the fastest lap, I believe in that race as well. That 2006 car wasn't particularly good, but it was very quick at Bahrain. And Jacques Villeneuve did it ten years before Nico Rosberg did it with second place at the Australian Grand Prix. The race is a formula E teammate stoffel van Doorn has done it. Deputizing for an injured Fernando Alonso at Bahrain in 2016 at McLaren got a point. Carlos Sanchez junior has done it. Melbourne 2015 and Max Verstappen would have scored in that race. Had he not had a failure. Some of it is a little bit variable. There is Kimi Räikkönen in 2001 who assumes 6th when Olivier panis was sent back to 7th place for passing under yellow flags and Sebastian Vettel's on it in 2007. Guano did it this year with Alfa Romeo Bahrain. Yuki tsunoda did it last year in 2021 with ALF tauri, which led Ross Braun's declare him the most exciting rookie that he'd seen in many, many years. I think trajectories dropped off a little bit since then. But there's so many names to have scored points in the debut, I believe Alain Prost has, Sebastian Bourdais, four time champ car winner, also scored points on his debut despite having a disappointing Formula One career. Lots of lots of names, some truly exalted company that de vries joins and maybe some lesser drivers as well. Locked in, but yeah, it's such a smorgasbord of recognized drivers from across, not just F one, but different disciplines who have come into F one, score points on their debut, maybe it works out for them long term, maybe it didn't, but it's a truly exciting list of drivers there. Absolutely. And especially those names pre 2010 when it was ten down to 8th or ten points out to one point rather from first to 8th in the early noughties and then the sort of 90s point structure. And you have to finish the top 6 to even score points. And that is so really, really impressive for those names you mentioned like an frost and others in there. Now, I was talking to our chief editor Kevin Turner. And he gave me a name that he says, I bet JBL doesn't mention this name and I think it's really unfair of him because this person didn't score points on their debut and yet they did score points on their debut. This person is a British racing driver that did a point scoring finish when they appeared in Formula One in 1984, but also didn't score points. Does any of that sound too cryptic to even have a stab at who Kev was talking about? Very, very cryptic. It's really unfair of him to raise this one because it's like in 84. Man, it's debut 84, British racing driver scored points on his debut, but also didn't score points on his debut. Let me give you the answer because I'm like, Kev, this is too unfair because this is like, it's just a gotcha. Martin Brundle came into Formula One with tyrrell in 1984. Of course. And finished 5th in his first race in Brazil, he also scored a second place in Detroit, but that year, tyrrell were later disqualified from the world championship because of a technical infringement and Martin Brundle would lose all of his points and therefore not officially according to the record books a point scorer on his debut even though he was, and I said, Kev, that is a mean one. Trip up JBL. But I don't know. It's pretty obscure. But I'm annoyed I didn't get that. I'm really annoyed. I had no idea. When he was telling me, I'm like, I would never get civilian years. But you guys are the experts. So there you go. Maybe next time you're in the paddock and you see Martin Brundle, and we're talking about points on debut. Maybe don't remind him of that because Formula One drivers are notoriously spiky when being reminded of bad things. But there we go. Thank you very much for joining us on the podcast today. JBL, we're really appreciate it as good fun one. Really fun podcast to do today. Thank you for listening and we'll catch you on the next one.
The Autosport Podcast
"jacques villeneuve" Discussed on The Autosport Podcast
"Completely circumstances, I'm sure the second person on this list would have done exactly the same thing in that position, but the point is it was Mark Weber, who was there and who got that result. And I think it's just such a big, it was such a big day from an Arduino fans. And it's so equal across the rest of the rest of the criteria. We're looking at, I would nod Jim into second place, even though I was doing a list of great Grand Prix drivers, there's absolutely no way I would be arguing these two around. Well, let's do let's do our second place now, which are going to give away our first place, but let's argue amongst between two and three. In second place, James you perts Fernando Alonso. He didn't score any points for minardi. He started 17 times, yet you put him above Mark Webber. So give us your reasoning for that and I think Kev might ever an argument against it. Well, I mean, you know, Alonso like Weber he's a rookie when he comes into Formula One, but minardi is in such a worse position at the start of 2001 than it is in 2002, so it's just been taken over by a Paul stoddard who's kind of rescued the team from certain collapse because it was owned by gabriele rumi, who was a. He owned the fond myself Formula One team and the form meta wheels company, but he had he had a terminal illness. So he was kind of desperate to offload this asset. They had already been one sale to the PSN telecommunications company that had fallen through. Start art sort of picked it up and this story is fairly well known that the mechanics worked around the clock to get cars built up and shipped out to Australia. Poor old tarso marques we've mentioned him a couple of times. He comes back in to drive the second car and it's kind of a bit of a bit of a brick really of whatever pieces they can pull together. So it's fair to say that Alonso probably did have the better of the two cars, but my word does he make the best of it. I found a quote from the San Marino Grand Prix report issue where the designer Gustav brunner is commenting on Alonso qualifying 18th ahead of both the benetton drivers. Button and visit Keller, and he was saying, well, our car shouldn't be able to do that lap time, so I can only assume that it's from the driver. With the worst car in the field, he frequently embarrasses faster machinery, so he beat both benetton's imler, Barcelona and the a one ring. Where he was 18th each time, he also out qualified both arrows, so Verstappen and Enrico bernardi in Monaco, Hungary and Suzuka. It often be a Jaguar and a Prost as well. At the U.S. Grand Prix, he was 17th, and that's right towards the end of the season. And he had qualified Jacques Villeneuve's BAR, which I just found absolutely astounding. As Kevin mentioned, he only lost his 100% qualifying record to sort of factors outside of his control, so there was a gearbox problem in Malaysia and in Canada, he was ahead of Marquez, but he had his times disallowed because of a front wing that was below the regulation height. Alex soon comes in for the final three races to bring a bit of money to the team and Alonso blows him away. But Alonso also has to his favor in a really strong race stripes. And the one that everyone sort of points out is Suzuka where he beat Olivier panis BAR both arrows and hunts Howard for instance Prost. He finished 7th he finished 11th at Suzuka. Just a really strong drive that people at the time may not have noticed, but just summed up Alonso's relentless pursuit of any position available that you still see now driving in machines that aren't quite at the forefront scrapping for any position it doesn't matter what it is. I'm just going to kind of argue and get myself ready to agree with James, but Alonso's entire career really is about being he's one of those rare drivers that can make a car be a level higher than it actually is. And I don't mean it can go faster than it can because that's impossible. But in the worst car in the field, he managed to get it into the midfield. When he was at McLaren, that had a midfield car he dragged it into the points. When he was at Ferrari, it should have been a podium finisher, and he managed to almost win a couple of world championships with it. And so thank goodness for everyone else that he was never in a dominant F one car, you know, Lonzo never had a Red Bull that Vettel had or the Mercedes at Lewis Hamilton had. And that's really the difference between him having two world championships Lewis having 7 and as we talk now and Sebastian vet will have in full. I think he's absolutely right up there. I think I'd have him ahead of head of Vettel in terms of his career relentless performance. Yeah, I completely agree with everything that James has said. I just think if we're just looking through the sort of the minardi magnifying glass, if you like. It comes down to the waiting of Melbourne and probably if I was making this. If I've been writing this list, I probably would have had Alonzo number two as well. But as I'm being the devil's advocate person, I keep thinking about Australia 2002. So whether it's second in the Lonzo therapy, if you're doing the best drives you'd ever sat in the minority, then Alonso's number one, isn't he? Yeah. Well, let's get on to number one then a name, synonymous with the team, Pierre Luigi martini, started 92 times. Scored 16 points, best finish fourth. He would start second on the grid. It was a front row starter in 1990 in Phoenix, and when we talked to him for a 2006 auto sports piece, a series that we called the masters degree. Not short of any confidence or assessment of his own standing. He said, after 20 years, I'm the driver that drove for minardi. Nobody remembers Alonso or fisichella, everyone remembers martini. A few people remember a chap called Alonso, not sure of a bit of confidence there, but number one on your list, James. I mean, this is probably the only list that we'll ever make where Pelosi martini comes top. But there is just no question about it by every metric. He's the most important driver in minardis history because you mentioned how many starts he had. He had three different spells with the team. He was its original F one driver in 1985, where the car was just absolutely hopeless. We talked before about Nani's poor reliability record, a terrible in 1985 as well. When he comes back to F one after a spell in form of 2000, which he kind of needed to rebuild his career, frankly. We mentioned earlier Luis Perez sala, he comfortably had the measure of him, and pretty much every teammate that he had at minardi. He was the stronger driver. He's also helped by the fact that he drove for minardi at the point when it was at its most competitive. So he was able to get that front row start in Phoenix. He also led its only ever race lapidus to really 1989. Which sort of roughly coincided with Nigel Mansell decided to reverse in the pit lane, so that was kind of hidden from the broadcast at the time as everyone was watching Mansour and this piece of history was being ignored. But he has just so many glittering moments in qualifying and strong race drives. I mean, he scores its first ever point in Detroit 1988, and the thing that I really wanted to talk about was the end of the 1989 season where he'd had to miss Suzuka due to rib pain.
The Autosport Podcast
"jacques villeneuve" Discussed on The Autosport Podcast
"The workmanship was incredible. You know, typical Porsche, they thought of everything. And I'm not sure about the underground bunker. Okay, Richard Lloyd told me that story when he collected it. Yeah, perhaps they'd been hiding his car or something. He told me his car was covered in dust. Being built, I was right there. In fact, Kramer had chassis number one. Which actually was Alan ducados order, but he ran out of money. You're right. And Kramer bought it off him because they didn't actually have an order, but then they got a deal with Porsche France who wanted to run the Andretti's Mario and Michael who famously finished third that year, which is quite an interesting tale in itself. I remember all that now, that's coming back to me, but I think I was the first customer to take delivery of the car. And we shipped it to Silverstone. I opened a workshop at Silverstone. Sort of did a few little test drives, the mechanics got used to it. And then basically it was for the European season. But then we had the idea that, in fact, can am approached us. How it works. The SCCA approached us. Their entries were a bit thin. And they said, how'd you like to bring the car over here for us? So I spoke to our sponsor in San Diego, Jerry dominelli, J David. And he was all for that. And that's how we got to do the can am race. And we did, I think we did two cameras. Road America and Moscow and you won Elkhart Lake beating Jacques Villeneuve senior so that's Jill's brother Jacques junior's uncle. Do you remember anything about that race? I think the margin was sort of 12 or so seconds, so relatively tight. I don't remember if I was on pole or not, but I do remember just leading straight away and pulling away in the car was just, it sounds crazy, but it was in a different class to a can am car. I mean, it was so much quicker on the street, which was amazing. And I mean, everybody was amazed. I was amazed. I was thrilled to death. I don't think we'll know thrilled about it. But and then they asked us if we do another one. Actually, Elkhart Lake was good because there was a long straight. And we were quite a lot quicker on the street. Then we went to mosport, which is, as you probably know, is quite twisty. And I think we finished second or third. Well, I've got you, I looked it up this morning and it was third, yeah. Third, yeah, that's right, yeah. So we had a couple of can am cars in front of us. And don't forget those cars. Can am of that era, we're not talking about canna Mark one, just sort of for listeners who aren't of that era. We're not talking about McLaren M 8s. We're talking effectively formula 5000 cars with all enveloping body. So they were single seaters. Your sports car. Yeah, they have a central seat, weren't they? That's right. Exactly. Yeah. Yeah,
Box of Neutrals
"jacques villeneuve" Discussed on Box of Neutrals
"To? What new racers could be on the calendar? We'll look ahead to this weekend's British Grand Prix. That's all to come on this episode of box of neutrals. Oh, you want to listen to box of neutrals? Well, how about you fill out this form? Mila one. Ah. It's weird, isn't it? Because you often feel like you have to say sir Jackie Stewart. But it's also solo as Hamilton. I don't ever call him a surgeon and I don't feel like I'm gonna, I think I'm gonna stop calling Jackie Stewart Sergio Stewart. It's an over 65 things. 'cause I always Hamilton still actively competing, still participating very actively in the sport in which he was very much knighted for. It's often an after the fact kind of thing. I associate a knighthood. But so I understand that. It's too young to be sir. You still doing stuff. Lewis Hamilton, good quad easily disgraced himself. However many years, you almost someone to retire. Have a little bit of a buffer in between for all the dirty secrets to come out about. You know, let's say athletes who can bicycle races and after the fact that they were drew stuff. Imagine if it was so large Armstrong, that would have been tricky. How do you want to do that? What do we very uncomfortable do you have to go? You have to do something else with the sword, I guess they thought you, that has to be maybe the other shoulder. Both shoulders. Just straight ahead. Yeah, with your disgrace. That's the risk you take. What do you want nice? It's a warning shot. You bring hoods and dame shifts into disrepute. That's a good thing large Armstrong men wasn't because it would have been big story, I guess. Biggest story even than it was. The reason we're talking about Jackie Stewart is because over the course of the week or pre recorded some early point and released last week. Yes, hey and Lewis Hamilton went to ultra cart and so Jackie Stewart said if you were driving in my ear, are you never would have won? And then they bashed each other on the straight, so Jackie Stewart did no Lewis did boxing professionally previously. And then some WhatsApp messages winter and saying, oh, don't wolves on. We've got to come out the next one. In the next few days with the George Russell's House of trade. There will be a press conference the board of met and they're not happy. Every WhatsApp whisper? That's a God. That is. Every WhatsApp was fun. That's what they should change it to in the paper. The best water whispers. Yeah, yeah. Because they're fantastic because they're always the same formula. Ice? Yes. Someone turning up at 3 a.m. off their head and making threats. Yes. Bike is rolling. Up to triangle facilities. And there will be a press conference within the next three days. Normally when these things come at this, it's almost instant, but it's always watch this space with the three days. It's a story so big everyone has agreed not to break it. For the next few days. Exactly. But the WhatsApp messenger, the honorable WhatsApp messenger. What are we saying? Louis, how do you that's right? Jackie Stewart. Jackie Stewart has said Lewis sounds pasta. He says he's paid credit to be fair. He paid credit to him. He said he's one of the greatest probably the greatest of his generation. Likened him to I hadn't seen that Alain Prost and even himself. Which I think is fair enough he was in these united. He was very good too. He's pretty good. Even if he does, I think I'm sure he was joking when he said it. But he did say, now that he's always being beaten by George Russell and qualifying, which is not correct, but anyway, that's what he said. You know, he's past the heel and he should retire rather than continue what in his description. He sees ongoing decline in formula. The Hamilton deer is over. It's very opposition later of sir Jackie sure. Well, clearly, Louis, George Russell's better in government than Lewis Hamilton. So he's a disgrace. I tell you what interest rates are always low and George Russell was exactly. It was on the podium, but William. Lewis Hamilton was around during the pandemic. It's all his fault. All of these lockdowns. I read it in a message. It's interesting, isn't it? Because I feel like, you know, we've heard various criticisms of Lewis Hamilton before. Usually they're from Jacques Villeneuve's of the world. They come out in the coming days. It's coming out of the lift. Watch where the pot is gone. It's only from someone of moderator. There's a world champion, I guess, but of moderate repute, but someone whose job it is to beat irritating. Yeah. Which is Jacques Villeneuve. Jackie Stewart though, not only is he many times three time world champion, icon of the sport, he's also continues to be very intimately connected with the sport and not as a pundit whose job it is to have some hot takes. No. His job is only to show guests of Rolex around the most honorable profession there is in motor sport. Banks. RBS? Yes. So whatever. Heineken? What are the other? They ended a disrepute for the older royal bank of Scotland. But yes, sir Jackie's short. Forget about his Twitter bio saying, you know, RTs are not endorsements. This is a walking door sword. Yes, bank here. Where that? Drink these. I think I did think that the criticism was fairly interesting as well. I went to have a look at the numbers too. And he hasn't been beaten by George Russell over the course of the season. If you average out there qualifying. I don't know what the number of number of times being I qualified for. But on average, he's in fact a head of George Russell. A little bit of RMIT fact checked. Going on here. Yes, thank you very much. That's a fact check. I would never run this. Let's be honest. We're done you were a carboxylic. Yeah, yeah, different sponsorship. And I feel like there's just been these pudding Jackie sewer to one side. There has been this narrative that Lewis Hamilton's bitcoins because he's having a bad season. Yeah. Well, tell you the big winner out of all of this is Daniel Ricciardo. At the moment, the furnace is well away Jared and Robert. Yeah. The merry go round of who needs to reside because it's just like with politics. If we just go, just keep applying hate. Let's see if we can get some movement going on around here. And then because Nicholas Latifi hasn't resigned yet. No. He's surely he has to resign. It's the British Grand Prix. Where's Oscar piastre? Where's this? Was going to be driving the Williams this weekend. In three days, Nicholas Latifi, off his head. And if you don't put me in this car, I would do it. And then the bike is turned up at growth. I read it. I swear to God. I know someone in government. I know someone buy up. I know someone on the board. So I'm going to tell my mates. And WhatsApp group in between various qualities unable to put on. It is, I think it is interesting. I think it's interesting in the context as well that we're arriving at the British Grand Prix for one. It's also just Russell's home race to be fair to him, but principally Lewis Hamilton's home race. This is his home race first. Before anyone. He's also got this record unique in Formula One. I mean, there's a record, not what makes it unique. Only driver to win a race in every year he's competed in. Yet to do so this year, obviously. And the Mercedes car for most of the year has been a mat. A real dog. And as a result, he's daring down the barrel of arguably the first season in which he may not win a race, except did quite well in Spain, didn't we obviously because he got hit by Kevin Magnussen the first lap. Silverstone's kind of seamless smooth track aerodynamics are important. Mercedes car could be good. This might be his best chance of the year. This and the next couple of races because it'll be to win. If he doesn't, then he could be cooked and Jackie Stewart.
Box of Neutrals
"jacques villeneuve" Discussed on Box of Neutrals
"Role to play in life. You know, things are that kind of data, so we'll take we have already taken you. Your goals. It's on the Discord. It's all admissible as evidence. It's all admissible as evidence in the Daniel Ricciardo royal commission inquest, and that's on this episode of box of neutrals. Oh, you want to listen to box of neutrals? Well, how about you fill out this form? Mila one. Ah. The royal commission is now in session. And we think we can say it. No, this is just talk back. Sorry. Hey, we haven't done the part of it, 'cause I have a committed to that yet. This is just about halfway through the partner. This is just good old fashioned just opinion and take. Now is the time for the king to take his rightful place thrown in the Hall of Fame. Sit on his king of throne. I'm KB. That's my type. Things like that. Yeah, one of the great immortal pieces of radio doesn't get enough recognition. I'll tell you why, this was a lot of fun to find. A fan tiny delroy quiz from the IBC. One of the great, one of the great Romans of radio. One of the joys of my life listening to Tony Taylor, right? And people who didn't know the answers to the queen. Just look it up, guys. You can cheat. It's fine. All right, we've had a lot of evidence in let's go back to the beginning last week, of course. Not even last week for the last 18 months, Dani Ricardo has been struggling. Struggling a fair bit. Big time, I think. And it's been uncomfortable to watch as it is. I mean oh yeah, big time. The last couple of weeks in particular have been painful. It's come to a head as well. Because everyone is now going on, I think it was in the back of your mind and you just pretended to ignore us and hope for the best, then that eventually would just go away. But once someone starts writing sabbaticals, once mark used a motor magazine, so that's putting things together. That was a tipping point. I want to say that was a tipping point. Because up until then, you could dismiss it. He was world famous for his pointers. He had a little bit of text here on the graphic. I don't know why. They needed to be a thing, but anyway, his point is on Sky Sports F one. I haven't forgot it. Don't you worry about that. Yeah, I think everyone is there talking about it and what happens from here because there is something just not right. And we've seen and I don't think we've ever seen, I don't know, more universal pain for someone to misfortune as Daniel Ricciardo. We've seen people like Fernando Alonso, for example, go through, you know, after he's two world championships, an absolute mayor of a runner form. Sometimes he's felt sometimes not his own. But I think universally apart from Jacques Villeneuve's thought. There's a lot of sympathy for all Danny Riccardo. Yes. In this current, I guess. That he's in. It's true, isn't it? Because everyone's uncomfortable about it. Everyone is uncomfortable about seeing Daniel Ricciardo's suddenly not competitive because it has been sudden because to go back to his last year at Reynolds. Of course, coming off the back of his successful stint at Red Bull Racing. He was exceeding one of the fabrics, great competitors, one of the fastest guys on the grid. Lo and behold, he gets to McLaren, cars not great at McLaren. I lost you was just about a race winner, but I wanted to die at best. And this year, okay, it's got a one podium with Landon RS, but it's very much a midfield car. It's not where McLaren expected it to be. It's also very much a Norris car, quite frankly. I raised the point last week, missed this fake app. Sorry, not parliament. I raised the point last week, finally. Bate, that just called me Neil. Given bill that Bruce hill was the funniest one. That it's very much Lando's team. And it was always going to and that was the thing that I found interesting that Daniel would move because I read the leaves early that this is very much Lando's a junior pass. He's very good, and he's and certainly by the time Daniel saddened he was really what E three? F one joining now is four years in, nearly half a decade in Formula One time. And stacks up very quickly. This is very much. That was very much because let's not forget Ricardo was very much the same as well. All of a sudden he started and he stocks rose. Exponentially. But yeah, but then again, he was at radar. He was in great in a great position as the undisputed team later, but was maybe a little bit nervous about the team's actual potential. I think he was maybe spooked by how different the car was, especially especially leaving the great nursery of Adrian newey, who will give you everything that you ever want in terms of the car breaking. A little bit in both ways sometimes. Yeah, it depends on how he spelled break, but certainly it both depends on the year. Yeah. It was certainly confidence inducing for Daniel, but it wasn't the case at Renault, but sort of in that 2021 in 2020. He was starting to become good. And we remarked on that and it was just like, maybe he's jumped the shark a little bit too early. And yes, I'll pay is not the race would tame that Cyril a bit of soul, Daniel, but. You think with that lack of interruption in terms of the driver lineup and just everyone just gelling and this tame, because I've said this before, don't dispute that I discount the fact that the human element often can go a long way in developing the car. And a tame. So their trajectory could be even higher than where they currently sit at the moment as well. But then again, in a parallel universe, the shadow of Oscar PS3 is very dry sense of humor would be dawning on him as well. So, but nonetheless, it's not an Alpine Alpine that isn't exactly a championship winning contender, but.
The Autosport Podcast
"jacques villeneuve" Discussed on The Autosport Podcast
"How did you find that? Yeah, especially with thank you very much for taking me down on that. It was quite something I know. It's cliche, but it was palpable. There was a sense that it wasn't there. There was a chair when the Ferraris came. I think something that's appreciated is obviously Formula One can be accused of being a bit sterile, and that plus the championship I've been covering and doing grids on for the last 18 months is formula E so I forgot basically there's a lot of noise and it smells it smells like I told you this the other day. I was like, it's a smell. I just can't describe it. It's kind of like sweaty and oily and fueling and it's really, really weird, but you get it. Yeah, I know environmentally conscious times, but it sticks a fuel and we've got massive pirellis, so it stinks up a bit of burning rubber and it's grayer or adds to it. So yeah, it was a really, really special experience. And I think I'll have to quit the job when one day, if I'm not, if I'm not super excited by God, there's John a lady. There's Jacques Villeneuve talking to Felipe Massa. Oh, is that interesting Fittipaldi if that ever wears off or go, but you know, to see all those guys on the grid was pretty mega. And you get to do it all again tomorrow, Matt. Thank you very much for joining me on the podcast. As promised, thought I will finish with the anecdote about your wonderful rally scores last night. We're about to leave the car park. Now the overnight rain at imola going into essay obviously affected the on track running, particularly in FP one. But it also meant the car park, which is literally a field. It became a bit of a bit slushy very muddy and a lot of people had a lot of trouble getting out last night, tractors were needed to pull people out, including one of our colleagues. One of our colleagues got stuck. Another one of our colleagues saw him stuck, decided to slow his car down and laugh, and he himself got stuck. That was a bit of shadow and Freud are there. Q being ever the enthusiastic driver. I think that's a good apply way to put it. Cars have a rev limit, so you should use all the revs within that limit. And you absolutely did that and you went, I'm going for it. Absolutely gunned it. Colin McRae would have been very, very proud, I'm sure, ran his way right through the mud. Got out to applause from a group of Red Bull personnel, which was very, very nice to see, and yeah, then we got our way back to Bologna, which is what we are about to go and do now. I'm sure there's some pizza waiting for us. Thank you very much for listening. Obviously, we'll be back tomorrow with the Sunday Night full race review of the Emilia romagna Grand Prix and we will see you then..
The Final Lap
"jacques villeneuve" Discussed on The Final Lap
"What's going on everybody? Rowdy dragon joining you as I do each and every week to keep you informed of everything, final app weekly, fantasy. And how about that race at Richmond? Was that a chess match or what? Okay, taking a look back at last week's picks that I recommended for you the 22 car Joey Logano, he finished 11th overall in the point. He had a ten point stage point day, not too bad. I think he could have done better. But it was not an overall bad day for his team. Martin Truex Junior, in the 19 car, he finishes in P one with the most points, 33 position points, 17 stage points totaling up at 50. That's a pretty good point today for you. And also, in the Toyota camp, we gave you Christopher Bell, and he also came in third most of the points. 31 points, 13 stage points on the day totaling 44. Not bad. Pretty solid picks for you for Richmond. All right, so let's take a look at our stage leaders for the week for stage one, we have a tie, 19 spins 22, and BFE racing. And stage two goes to, none other than rowdy dragon. I got my first stage of the year. How about that? Can you hear that? That's me patting myself on the back. All right, this week's winner, Robbie gage, 241 points. Pretty good stage point total of 71. Even though I manage a stage win, didn't turn out so well in the end, I got a 64th place finish. Toby bested both carrying myself with his 18th place finish and where is Jimmy? Carrie Murphy finished in the 28th spot. Okay, so let's move on to take a look at some viable picks for your lineups for Martinsville for Saturday night. Don't forget it's a night race, under the lights. Flat tracks, short tracks, and momentum spells a good finish for the 11 car, Denny Hamlin, for this week at Martinsville. 32 trips to yet another of Denny's home tracks, has yielded 5 wins, 16 top 5s, and 22 top tens to the team. Looking at the 11 teams stage point history in 20 stages, they've collected points in 15 tries and have three stage victories, all is well again and Toyota camp. Look for the 11 team to be a FrontRunner, Saturday night under the lights. Another threat to win in Virginia comes again from the Toyota camp in the form of the 19 car Martin crush junior. In the last 5 races at Martinsville, he has won three times. It sounds a lot like his Richmond stats. About a third of his finishes are top 5 and averages about top ten 50% of the time. Looking at his stage point totals, he's collected points 16 out of 20 stages and also has three stage wins. And over the last 5 races, Truex has the highest laps led at 754, so look at the 19 car to be duking it out with his teammates up front Saturday night. So now let's move over to the Ford camp and Team Penske's Ryan Blaney. He's my third pick of the week. Blaney has the second best average finish at the paper clip. Behind Denny Hamlin. He's raced here 12 times just about half of his finishes yielded top 5s. He doesn't have any winds on the paper clip, but his performance on short tracks the season. It could see him with his first victory here at Martinsville this weekend. Taking a look at his stage point collection has Blaney earning three stage victories, just like the 11 and 19. He's also collected stage points in 15 out of 20 stages. And as usual, make sure you keep an eye on those practice and qualifying times to determine which of these guys best suit your lineup this weekend. All right guys, so once again, don't forget it is a Saturday night race. Get those picks locked in early, just in case you might forget. And go out there and have a great weekend. Thanks for hanging out and listening to the final app weekly fantasy segment of the show. I am rowdy dragon. We'll talk to you again next week. Dog food. All right, there you have rowdy dragons picks for this weekend at Martinsville as always, you gotta take him seriously, rowdy dragon is an elite expert. And he has decades of experience doing this. So very cool to have him on the show. It is. By the way, I performed pretty well this week. I moved up again. I did too. I did good? I was like 18th overall this week. I think I was 25th. If I hadn't missed Daytona, if I had just put somebody, warm bodies in the lineup, anybody. I wouldn't put ty Dillon, you could have put, you know, Jacques Villeneuve, I mean, you could have been you would have been fine. Instead, I got zero. What a bummer. I got zero. Yeah. So thank you so much to rowdy dragon for the fantasy picks again for this weekend at Martinsville. As always, thank you to John Hunter Nemechek as well for being on the show. And checkered flag is flying. I can't believe it. There it is. Wow, checkered flag. It's just flapping around. On its own pole over there. So catch us next week right here when we will recap the racing at Martinsville and preview. This one's Bristol in the dirt, right? Is this one under the lights too? Yeah, they throw some dirt down on it and stuff. Toby, you and I will chat next week. We sure will. That's a wrap. Another final lap weekly is in the books..
The Autosport Podcast
"jacques villeneuve" Discussed on The Autosport Podcast
"So to me, he filled, he filled that whole that Emerson left because anything caught mccloud and completely by surprise. I mean, who leaves a world championship winning team to go join a team started by your brother? I mean, it's just a bizarre thing to do. He's almost sort of Jacques Villeneuve, isn't it? When he went to be AR and neither of those moves worked out particularly well for him Jacques and so yeah, I think James filled that whole very nicely and made my child in a tidy contender and it was obviously a controversial year where it's qualifications and all sorts of bits and pieces. And he was very quick in 77, those four positions early on very, very competitive. But ultimately I think in terms of the impact he had on McLaren as a team, I think I put him behind Emerson on this list. Well, moving on to the driver at number 5, he talks about him, just then, Niki Lauda, drove from McLaren between 1982 and 1985, started 58 times for the team, won 8 races and won the 1984 title. Kev, obviously we discussed a little bit louder that was climate Ferrari, but why is it number 5 in this top ten McLaren drivers list? Yeah, it's quite difficult to play because I guess it probably depends on your age as to whether you think immediately Ferrari or McLaren conversely I kind of feel that loud as a Ferrari driver. But he's higher on the Ferrari list as we know. But I put him in a pretty far. I mean, I don't think he should have won the 84 world title. I think pros was better that year and should have been champion but was unfortunate, but he did get that title just discussed that with James something. He did get the job done. But the reason he's that high actually is because of his efforts and work to get the tag the tag Porsche turbo sorted. I basically bought going behind John Barnard's back at the end of 83 and going. We have to run this car now and get the get the bugs out and make sure it works. And he drove the McLaren tag sort of prototype, if you like at the end of the 83 season and showed that it was quick and that it did have bugs that needed ironing out and of course he was right. He'd effectually contributed to making that package brilliant for 84 and you can slightly see why he would have been a bit knocked when suddenly he's got a land process as his teammate instead of John Watson, but then they actually worked well together. So it was good for the team. It was one of those rare occasions in McLaren 1980s history where you had the two superstars in the team and it did work. And they won the constructors and drivers titles, both years, 85 was quite poor. You'd fall away quite a lot then Andy also attracted a lot of the bad luck, so nowhere in the points. But I think he's contribution to go to rood's point. I think he's contribution to that. So the Ron Dennis super team rise is kind of what gets him into that spot. To me, louder actually, I was toying with having louder either third or fourth and ultimately I had him fought on my list. Because to Kevin's point, he won the world championship in 84, arguably should have won that season. If Monica wasn't half points, for example. But I think. You know, the loudest impact on the cloud and actually was outside the car was much, much bigger. You know, Ron Dennis worked very hard to get him back out of the time and I don't know if you guys have read John Barnard's book or the book about John Barnard called the perfect car. For anyone listening, if you haven't read it, strongly strongly recommend is one of the best books I've read in the last three, four years on Formula One. And he really highlights what a key role lauder played at mccloud and in terms of getting the tag Porsche steel done earlier getting the engine developed quicker and onto the car. Earlier than even Barnard wanted to, and he was obviously technical director at the time. Lauda was massively influential with Marlborough and with John Hogan and keeping that part of the commitment to the mcclaren program and he was a huge part of the team. So if you think of all the success, McLeod have had, it all, to me, so much of it goes back to 82 83 and what louder built as this McLeod super team as Kev just described it. I think that. Quartet of Barnard Dennis louder, John Hogan, they set McLeod and up for everything that they achieved through the 80s and 90s into the 2000s really. And I think that key between 82 and 84 can not be underestimated and allowed us to and that can not be underestimated. So in terms of impact, yes, he won perhaps less world championships than some of the other drivers on this list for McLaren, but in terms of impact, I think he had a huge, huge role to play. So to me, I was toying with third or fourth, but ultimately I'm going to go with fourth for loudoun at least. Okay, well let's go to the driver that Kevin's got a number four. It's Lewis Hamilton. Drove for McLaren very famously, of course, between 2007 and 2012, started a 110 races one 21 times and of course took the 2008 world title. Kev, why have you got Hamilton at number four? Well, greatest season in rookie F one history is a rookie or an in 2007. And I don't think he's really ever been, it's never really been suggested that he was into the political games that actually created the problems at McLaren. And I think really his main contributions that was just being really fast. And not really wanting to sit behind Alonso. Which was then a situation that was mismanaged, but I don't think that's Lewis's fault obviously then became team leader and world champion the following year. Now he did he did have a wobble as we mentioned earlier on there's no doubt in that sort of particularly in 2011 yeah, I think he wasn't in a good head space. But I think he bounced back in 2012. I think he was superb and although I think that McLaren's decline after 2012 is down to lots of factors, some of which have been around for quite a while. You can't help but say that after he left the team was the team was a lesser, a lesser thing and has had a long time to rebuild. So delivered a world championship. And I think apart from that blitz delivered on what the car was, what was capable of more often than not. And if you're bringing louder up, are you shuffling Hamilton down or are you elevating him even further? I am, I'm swapping louder for Lewis, I think. You know, I think just yes, Louis arrived at a time as a rookie and it was quite rare if I'm not mistaken for McLaren to sign a rookie at that stage. Obviously, they'd had Andretti before Mika had already been at lotus and things like that, but and the Andretti experiment hadn't really worked out. Let's ignore the cameo from Jan Magnussen, but apart from that. In general, McLaren we used to having established drivers really Kimi was as close to rookie as they had. So for them to get a complete rookie in and then I, you know, I've said a lot of this winter actually and for me Lewis's rookie season in F one 2007 will go down as probably the greatest rookie season in F one history. I think what he did in 2007 was unbelievable. I think the team probably could have helped him a bit more to be world champion in that year, really. China being the obvious one, but I think across the board, so to me he was very much a part of he was obviously a part of the furniture at McLaren, but he was a big field good story for McLeod as well. They take in this kid from counting and made him basically made him world champion across a 15 year period, and that's a remarkable story. If you look at driver development programs, that was probably the first proper proper driver development program that delivered a world champion, you know, and really built this driver all the way through. So I think in that respect, a huge part of the mccloud and story, but so much of Lewis careers come from his Mercedes era..
The Final Lap
"jacques villeneuve" Discussed on The Final Lap
"Jimmy Johnson. I'm surprised. Ten. I'm surprised it took that long for you to mention this. Well, I figured I'd bring it up here. So how cool is that? Now, did the rest of the cars rack because I didn't see the no. So there was there was a pretty good little melee with a rookie that kind of went up into Castroneves and a few others piled into that and Kirk would the other rookie was running really well and he crashed as well, but for the most part it was a pretty clean race. They started working in that high groove, which was nice Jimmy made a crazy high move on dicks and to take that spot late in the race. I mean, it was intense. But yeah, Jimmy Johnson's 6th place finish at Texas first oval car race in IndyCar and he's looking pretty good. What do you think, Carrie? Indy 500 is Jimmy Johnson, call your shot, is Jimmy Johnson going to win the Indy 500 this year. That was my first thought. I'm like, okay, if he's that good on ovals, then there's a big oval coming up. And that was the thing. It was like, does this translate? This is NASCAR oval, prowess, translate to IndyCar and it was like, I don't know if it does, but now you start looking at how things went at Texas and you're like, okay, well, he was pretty good at Texas and cup. And now he finished the 6th is very first doable in Andy at Texas. It was pretty good at Indianapolis and cup. Will we see him? How crazy would that be? That would put him on a whole other planet. People talk about him being inferior to petty and Earnhardt just because he had those last couple of years that were rough. If he goes out wins the Indy 500, he's in a whole other atmosphere at that point. Jimmy Johnson? And everyone else. That's just how it is at that point, if you win the Indy 500. I would say comparative Mario, but you don't have that same championship level then. Yeah, that's true. So obviously Mario had some Formula One success and a few other things, but it's like, man, it's really hard, but you put him in that conversation at that point. If he does something to that level where he wins an Indy 500. On top of 7 NASCAR Cup Series championships, that's, I mean, that's really hard to do. Yeah, it's a lot of pressure. A huge accomplishment. But I wouldn't put it past Jimmy. He's got iced running through his veins. At the end of the day, he still has to get it done though. So it's not like he's won the thing yet. It's not like it's guaranteed by any means he's not even locked into the field for it yet. But it's just exciting to see that maybe, you know, something could happen here, but at 46 years old, I think that would be impressive to win the Indy 546 after 7 cups of your sharing and stuff like that, but what an incredible start to his oval career in IndyCar. Yeah, that's a good way to start because he's not getting it done on the road courses. No, but you know this might give him a little bit of confidence now. You get a couple good runs in that style of car. Maybe you go, okay, I can do this. Screw that. I'm gonna start pushing a little further on these row courses. You never know. Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. Hey, scary moment for Haley deegan, by the way, this past weekend. Yeah, that was nuts, man. So she had the tire cut down in the race after contact from another truck, and they got the tire fixed, got a new tire on. I got back out there another tire cut down or actually some tire carcass from that first tire got on the road and caught fire. And so then her tire that was on the truck. Now caught fire, things got crazy. She got to pit road. She was trying to tell him, I need to get out. No, no, no, hang in there. We're going to try to save the truck, get back out there, and then the smoke and the fire extinguisher stuff ended up making her inhale all that and so it was intense. She said, quote, I started choking and I started not being able to get more air and quote, and I've actually seen some photos from people who were at the track near her at the time, and it does look like she was struggling. When the guy on that truck, so I'm glad they were able to get her out there. I'm glad she got to the infield care center. I'm glad she was okay. That's the scariest situation. Yeah, for sure, for sure. Let's get into this weekend. We've got some road course racing. Circuit of the Americas in Texas and first one of the season. Yeah, yeah, man, this is gonna be fun. I'm pretty pumped. I like coda. I think it's a breathtaking facility. It looks amazing. And I think at the end of the day, it actually puts on a pretty good show. At least we saw in the last car, so we'll see how it does with the next gen. That's true. It's all new actually again. This car is supposed to be designed for this. So this is what it's what they had in mind was road course racing when they made this car, so we'll have to see how it goes in the first test here. Right, right. Let's take a look at some of the entry list notables and right. The first one that jumps off the page, AJ Alma dinger, of course. Yeah, for sure. I mean, one the Indianapolis road course race last season, the Cup Series event, colleague racing's first Cup Series win, I think he's definitely got to be considered to be in the mix here. Any road course you go to age Alma dinger is a guy you got to think about for sure. And then these guys back. When was the last time Boris said raced? So Boris said, man, that is amazing that he's going to be going to be getting behind the wheel. Because for MBM, first off, they had a disappointing start to the season. They had two cars down at Daytona. They were hoping to at least get one if not both into the day 2500. They made some adjustments to their diffuser, and it did not pay off. So now they're coming back. This week, they're going to have Boris said in the 60s, 6 car with bumper dot com sponsorship. Boris actually ran an Xfinity series race last year for MBM. Left the race early due to mechanical failures and finished 31st, but as far as cop series, it's been since 2017 since we've seen Boris said. Now, I don't think the car will be a race winning contending car, obviously. But it's interesting to see what Boris said possibly do in a bottom of the pack next gen car. This is kind of the first real test we've had. Somebody who is really good at one discipline of racing, being in a lower tier next gen car. So we'll kind of see how even the playing field really is with this new next gen car. For sure. Then you got Andy lally and loras hezemans. Yeah, so Andy lally obviously we know him 2011 NASCAR Cup Series rookie of the year rode a three time Grand Am champion in sports cars and a guy you don't want to mess with either. He knows MMA. So you don't want to get in a fight with him afterwards either. So if he hits you on the track, just let it go. Don't worry about it. But then you've got Laura's husband's and I saw you were like, I don't know who this guy is. He's a course not. He'll be around the 27 car that Jacques Villeneuve had in the Daytona 500. The team hesberg powered by Rome brothers entry. He is a two time NASCAR well in Euro series champion and I'm excited to kind of see how he does in his Cup Series debut. He's been running some trucks and Xfinity to get approved for this race and now he is approved to make his Cup Series debut. And it'll be interesting to see how the Dutchman does. So it'll be interesting, all right? Cool. All right, so track stats for Circuit of the Americas they.
Past Gas
"jacques villeneuve" Discussed on Past Gas
"Too bad our trucks are in a museum. Following Williams back to back titles, Formula One decided that their car was too good and too advanced. Electronic driver aids like traction control, ABS, and active suspension. We're all outlawed for the 94 season. And the balance of the Williams FW 16 suffered as a result. The beginning of the season saw the team and drivers struggled to match the Rory Byrne design Schumacher driven benetton B one 9 four. At which we also talked about in the Schumacher episode, so check that out. That's a cool car. To make matters shockingly worse, disaster struck when Ayrton Senna, who had signed with Williams only months before, died in a crash at the 1994 San Marino Grand Prix. Like many who were involved, Nui describes son of death as the low point of his career. Even faced manslaughter charges that were later dropped. Dramatically, as they grieved sent his death, a late season rally and the suspension of Michael Schumacher enabled Williams to claim their third straight constructors championship. But despite the win, cracks begin to show in new his relationship with old trick head. The next season, it was clear that newey wanted to become technical director at Williams, but head wouldn't budge. Losses that year to benington further dampen things. And by the time Damon hill and Jacques Villeneuve secured both titles in 1996, knew he had been placed on gardening leave, the corporate term for you don't work here anymore. You're in your garden. Oh my God. Oh. What the hell scared out of me? An 86 a new one, GT86, just drove by in the same color as low car. With a black hood. Wow. All right, that was justified. I thought you fell out the window. If I got a new 400 Z or the new Z I would have it wrapped in that Turquoise. What a commitment to marketing. It's not pepto bismol, but it gives me pepto bismol vibes. It's like mint pepto bismol. Yeah. It's like pepto bismol p.m.. This one doesn't give you nightmares. Years later, Williams boss, sir Frank admitted that he regretted letting new week get away, saying quote, he wanted some shares and I didn't want to give to him at the time, which was in hindsight. A mistake. Adrienne is quite a remarkable individual. He looks like the mayor from Nightmare Before Christmas. Yeah. And he's always eaten hot dogs. I was going to say it looks like in my mind just like a hot dog with a purple royal robe and a crown. Oh yeah. Do you guys know what Frank Williams looks like? Yeah. I know, Frank Williams looks like I really like Frank Williams, though Williams documentary is really amazing. Remarkable as he is, Nui was unable to influence the design of the 1997 car at his next job. McLaren racing. And so after an unremarkable season, he concentrated his efforts on the 1998 car. The MP4 slash 13. The results were a success to say the least. With a narrow chassis new front suspension, a faster and lighter Mercedes engine and nearly flawless aerodynamic design, the MP4 slash 13 set a new bar in the late 90s. And with Mika hiking in behind the wheel, McLaren won the double crown in the 1998 season winning 9 out of 16 races claiming 12 poles and 9 fastest laps. Hacking in one of the drivers championship again the next year and narrowly missed out on a three peat 2000 thanks to Michael Schumacher, whose wind was the first of his legendary title run with Ferrari. It's worth noting that from 1992 through 2004, the driver's championship was entirely dominated by Rory Byrne and Adrian newey designed cars. Burn engineered Michael Schumacher to 7 titles while Nui engineered Mansell Prost, hill, velin, and hacking in to 6. Now, as you might imagine, knew he was approached by rival teams more than once. One such example came in 2001 when his old pal from its march days, Bobby Rahal, who is now managing Jaguar almost poached Adrian from McLaren. Rahal even got Nui to sign a contract, but Ron Dennis persuaded him to stay with the team. Despite staying put, the McLaren team failed to win a single driver's or constructor's championship over the next three years. Michael Schumacher and Ferraris, incredible dominance throughout the mid 2000s, along with increased headbutting with McLaren top brass began to frustrate new. Throughout 2005, stories circulated that new east departure was imminent and in November, Red Bull Racing announced that Nui would join the team for the next season. This was Nui's fourth decade in the sport. And he was still only 22 years old. Wow. This was fourth decade in the sport, but far from being irrelevant, he was a hot commodity for his experience in creative brilliance. Did you guys know that Red Bull Racing is going to start making a drink? I had to stop drinking this stuff. It tastes like battery acid. When you don't drink it for a while? I like it. I like it too, but man, you almost frozen Red Bull. If you get it just right, it's good, but then you can't stop drinking them. Yeah, they're quite addictive. I don't know if anyone listening to this noses, but Red Bulls are addictive. By joining Red Bull. I say like that. Red Bull, he's going to grab both Red Bull red bow or look at this little Red Bull. Isn't Red Bull like Thai? Yes. And it was originally a goo that they would feed their workers to stay up 24 hours a day at a factory. That's true. That's tight. You got to get some of that goo.
The Autosport Podcast
"jacques villeneuve" Discussed on The Autosport Podcast
"Alongside Michael at imola and just kept constantly taking digs at Michael for basically running him off the road of the toes of hairpin. There's not many people on the planet who would sit next to Michael Schumacher and literally takes it in during a press conference, but you get the impression as a sort of stuff that max will do now. And he's in afraid to wind up the opposition. I think there's one key difference. I agree with that, I think there's a lot of parallels. I think Verstappen is probably a more complete driver in F one terms, perhaps. Except I think there's one key difference in that is, I don't know whether it's down to one problem on tour's character or the fact that he had to be disciplined because of running at 240 miles an hour at superspeedways. But he was generally a fair driver and gave people, I think, space and respect in wilter will contests. Which is why he would flag when Michael Schumacher didn't do that for him, but I feel like that I don't think we've yet seen that for max and that's been I know that I sound like a broken record. That's been my consistent criticism of him over the last few months, but I stand by that. I think we need to see him sharing a bit more respect to the other drive. And I do think Montoya did by and large do that. Very, very quick aside on that clip of Montoya having a drive at Michael Schumacher. The journalist asking the question in that press conference is much more dot com as Jonathan noble, who confessed that he completely forgotten about it until the clip resurfaced on F one's social media channels recently. Let's get on to the next driver on this list and it's the first Williams world champion that we've got on this list at number 7 is Jacques Villeneuve placed the team between 1996 and 1998, one 11 times and of course took that title in 1997. Kev, why is Villeneuve at number 7? In one sense, it's because he's world champion is crew and said, although actually I would argue that perhaps he's least convincing season at Williams was the one where he won the title, rarely has someone made such heavy weather of winning a world championship with a car with that revolution superiority. The team contributed to that as well. Starting on slicks at Monaco in the wet and that sort of thing. So I think that 97 could have been better, although it was obviously great as a rookie in 96 and actually he really showed some of his feistiness when Williams lost its way a little bit in 98 as well. And then there were some there were some great moments, obviously, and his championship win a year, and going wheel tour with Michael at her. That was a great movie. He made, I think. And he caught markup by surprise, and you can see markers obviously initial reaction is to get out the way before he then turns the wheel again. Williams world champion. I'd like to know what would happen if they hadn't sacked Damon hill and put hunts out fences in because I think you then might have a greater chance of holding on to Adrian newey. You've also got someone who knows how to set up the car because the French and really was a bit of a lot of the time in that season really not at the races. So it'd be interesting to see what would have happened with his next two or three years if they had not made that decision. But he did win the world championship. That was the main reason to get him up in 7th. Yeah, I broadly agree with that. I think certainly I remember Jacques alive in 1996. It was really exciting. You know, he would do these audacious moves like going around the outside of Michael O del at the last corner and it was exciting to watch, you know, it was I always thought it was cool to see a driver from IndyCar come to Formula One and be competitive. I remember being hugely disappointed when Michael Andretti, his transition didn't work out in 93. I was a big fan of Michelangelo in IndyCar and I thought this is going to be great and then it just didn't happen for him. So I was really excited to see Jacques come back to come to F one and be competitive in 96. The 96 Williams FW 18 was head and shoulders above the opposition and he did a great job pushing daemon hard for that championship and I think in 97 there were some really odd situations, wasn't it? I mean, you had the Suzuka penalty and you had, as you said, Caviar, the nice and Monaco where they started on slicks, but you know, you got quite badly our qualified by friends and already on in Monaco dining on that day. So he was already further behind on the grid. I think, yeah, Jacques, he delivered what he came to do, which was he delivered the world championship. He, I think, a 98 on thinking of races like hockenheim and places like that where he drove very well in the Williams, but the car sort of peaked on the whole. He had a good impact on the team. I felt when you again speak to engineers, people like that. He was quirky. He was different. He wasn't afraid of butt heads with people like Patrick, but he made a on the whole of positive impact, I think, on the team. They certainly enjoyed having him in the team and in that environment. If you look at his working relationship that year with Damon was really positive, they got on very well and I think yeah, on the whole that's 70s probably right. Well, let's move on to number 6. And I think number 6 carefully affair example of a driver where you say this is all about what impact do they have on Williams as opposed to where they rank in sort of a debate about who's the greatest driver because the number 6 is Alain Prost, only Joe for Williams in 1993, won 7 times and of course the title, but of course everyone famous four time world champion Nick everything else he achieved. But number 6, why is he there? Is it purely because he came in, did the job? That was sort of it, really. Yeah, absolutely. If I was doing just a list of the greatest racing drivers of all time, he's ahead of anyone else on this list, right over across what they've what they did in their careers, but it was one year. And it's not like he was there developing the Williams right now into a superior package prior to that. He very much worked his way into that into that seat and he did deliver. So he delivered a Chapman chip. I know that Patrick apparently in mind that I think Alan was probably past his best really by then. There were still some incredible silky smooth, very rapid qualifying laps and I think pat Patrick was quite impressed with that. And actually there were some there was some good race as well. I mean, people forget one remembers donnington, but actually he also, you know, he did beat it and sent it and Damon in the other car in the wet at imola. He wasn't a complete, it wasn't a complete just cruise and collect championship. He did put in some good races. I don't think you can go any higher than 6 because ultimately it was a superior car. He didn't develop it. He had a very inexperienced teammate and he was just there for the one year before he retired. So I couldn't really justify moving up ahead of some of the other drivers on this list. Williams always thought of Prost as a McLaren driver who came in for a year, did his bit, didn't really integrate himself with a team, came saw conquered and left, basically. You know, he never truly became a Williams Williams driver. I think he and also, and I remember speaking to Alan about it, we went for dinner once, and I were talking about different cars and his favorite cars. And he never really liked the feel of an active suspension car. He didn't like the sort of movement that the active car gave him. It felt unnatural to him. So.
The Final Lap
"jacques villeneuve" Discussed on The Final Lap
"The Facebook groups where we kind of share our canoes. I feel really bad for them. So keep them in your thoughts. That's not a fun situation at all. Man, I just hate to see that kind of stuff. I interviewed a few of the Gilliland drivers back in Vegas, not arc of course, but yeah, so now that with what happened, obviously the car sustained quite a bit of damage in the holler, the haulers burned and really badly damaged as well. And the race is on Friday. So that's the question mark now. Does Taylor gray compete in this race? Do they have a way of getting a car there? And all that stuff. So that's all still being cycled through. They're trying to figure that out. But as it stands right now, it's not looking good. For DGR racing to run that race. But I think that's the secondary thought at this point is they're grieving the loss of one of their own. I talked to him, actually, he was one of my interviews. Taylor gray? Yeah. Taylor or Tanner, Tanner. Oh, they have two grays. Really? Yeah, this is his brother. Oh, okay, I talked to Tanner, who, I don't know, Taylor's history, but he was a straight liner. Yeah, he was a drag racer. Yeah. See, I get stuff out of my interview that I didn't know. Yeah. I mean, you didn't know your brother, but that's good. Yeah, it doesn't matter. It doesn't matter. So yeah, yeah, unfortunately, very, very, very sad way to kind of go through the week here. We also do have some kind of more uplifting news teams racing. Which have done some IndyCar racing over the years, NASCAR Euro and stuff like that. They're going to be moving to the Cup Series for 8 races in 2022. With tarso mark is the former F one driver as their driver. So they'll be running Cup Series races. Okay. What's wrong? Interesting. Nothing's wrong. And so this is the thing that's a name that most of us haven't heard in racing since the late 90s. So you've got Jacques Villeneuve and now Marquez as well. Is this the new car that's bringing this out? I think a lot of it is because the car is built to run really well on road courses, which a lot of the NASCAR Euro teams have that luxury as well. Their car is built with rogue courses in mind. A lot of them are road course focused drivers. And you've had some former Formula One drivers who've been over there playing around for the last couple of years and so they have a pretty good knowledge of how these stock cars wheel around road courses. And so that's why they kind of wanted to give it a try. I know villain who wants to run more if they can get it to get the sponsorship to make it happen. But as far as this goes, team stage is definitely looking like they're going to be running some cup races. And they don't need to get pre approval from NASCAR because they've been running in Europe in that series, right? Well, so that's the thing. As far as team hesberg goes, they were trying to run Laura's husbands, who was their championship driver two time champion in the NASCAR Euro series. He wasn't approved for Daytona, was improved for any races this year in the Cup Series, but they had run him at some test sessions guys approval and I believe he'll be making his debut sometime the next few weeks, so he will be making a Cup Series debut. That's kind of where it kind of throws things in for villano who doesn't know what the future holds for him. But he'd like to run some more cup races as well if they can if they can make that happen. Wow. Interesting. Did you see, well, of course you saw it's your website. Joe Gibbs Racing explains how parts car was rebuilt in time to race Sunday at the Las Vegas. I mean, that thing was just, you know, you walk into your local auto parts store, maybe a little better than it was literally a shell everywhere thing in it. And so the cool thing is, is Joe Gibbs Racing has this new feature called overtime. Where after the race weekend, they kind of break down stuff. They have a member of the team kind of talk about some of the stuff they went through. And this week was really interesting. Because they have Matt faulkner with the team. Can I go over the whole backup car process in the next gen era? Because we're so used to teams having a backup car that's ready to roll. It's the same exact car. Pretty much they just stuff on the wall. Now I can come out there 5 minutes later and it's ready to roll. The case is not that way for the next gen car. So while that looked like a parts car, it's pretty close to what everybody else is backup cars are going to look like as well. Because they're not allowed to put backup engines in the backup car as they're transporting them. They have to buy it from the engine manufacturers at the track to install if they want to change motors. Wow. So they're now allowed for cost saving measures. NASCAR doesn't want teams just having 45 motors sitting around all weekend. They want one engine..
The Autosport Podcast
"jacques villeneuve" Discussed on The Autosport Podcast
"But I think you could make a case for him being Italian's greatest racing driver since the war. And very key because he's Ferrari's first world champion. Absolutely. We talked about the role in building a team where there's no better way to do that and sort of be obviously and Enzo's relationship with this guy who is much more of a family connection I think through his father, but that's quite a good way to settle into the team and get them galvanized around you if you're pretty close with the big boss, the guy who the guy who founded the whole company and the other thing I think given. How many fewer races they were in season, the unreliability record. The thing that really stands out is that 9 race wins in a row, which I think only Vettel is won in that era, what an achievement. We've already talked about Italy's last world champion learning double and stuff, but I think that 9 consecutive race wins in that era. As a winning ratio and driving around, obviously, the unreliability, the risk factor as well, to pull it off, I think it's just incredible stuff. Yeah, through a whole calendar year, he was the only person to in a world championship race. And one of the races he didn't win in 52 is because he was off doing the Indy 500. For Ferrari and a Ferrari. And although it didn't end well or something, Carl finished. He did earn the respect as the top drives usually do of the Americans over there. I came across very well. So yeah, I absolutely absolutely legend as of the other two people on this list. Indeed, well, let's come to them because as we've done this sort of top ten list format podcast before, it's better to reveal number two, number one, exactly the same time, so if you can explain why you've got them in that particular order. So we'll come to number two first. It's Niki Lauda, drove for Ferrari between 1974, 1977, took 57 starts, 15 wins, two titles in 75 and 77 was nearly one in 76 as well when you came back from this horrendous accident. Number one, barely obviously why number one and who it could possibly be, Michael Schumacher, drove for Ferrari between 1996 and 2006, started a 179 races won 72 times and took those 5 titles between 2002 1004 but Kev over to you why loud a second why is Schumacher one fairly obvious in statistical terms, but what was your reason for this one? I think there's a lot of similarities in parallels between these both Germanic forces, if you like, came to Ferrari and were the two people that made Ferrari deliver on the potential that I think it's always had in the world championship. In fact, there were other drivers who visited maranello during the June 70s and 80s and deals. And I think it was Alan Jones came out and said, how do they not win every race? They had a test track facility and things that Williams Brabham going back Cooper not so much far more perhaps, but most of the teams could only dream of how were they not winning every race and it's for all yeah, that's part of the romance of Ferrari right there. Heroic failures as much as the successes allowed everyone none of that is like your car's rubbish and it needs to be better. And Luke and and other factor, he was there for the Schumacher era and the louder era for the area again. These key people and but Ferrari is ready. I think the difference between loud and 30s Ferrari is ready for it with montes mlo there is a young team manager, they're ready to be led by someone who was new what he wanted. And he's the fastest driver in 74. I think it's 9 poles, but Paul and reliability and all sorts of ridiculous things happen to him. 75 wins challenge easily 76, as you say, was a huge respect to James Hunt but louder would have been world champion without the crash. 77 he shows that you can do it the other way. Before I wasn't really quick enough, but he showed that he was cute and could get points and won the championship that way. He would have had three consecutive titles. I think and he really only left because he was upset in the way that certain members of the team reacted after his accident, so he went well. And he left with two races to go. That's the first sustained long period of success, and I think that he probably laid the foundations to allow Ferrari to continue winning for the next couple of years. Even though he wasn't there, when racing against him at Brabham. So that's Nikki. I don't know. Do you want to introduce on to Michael? I also does work with Schumacher as well in the foundations that were there in the Schumacher Bern Braun Todd era continued for another couple of years with Raikkonen and masa. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. So yes, Schumacher is the same, but like times ten, isn't it? Just in terms of longevity and the number. I mean, the stats are absolutely ludicrous. So loud as winds are 15 wins and two world titles. I think that's pretty good going by anyone's standards until you scroll down and have a look at 72 wins and 5 titles. At the time, it was unprecedented period of success. But for me, Schumacher at fries got kind of everything, hasn't it, it's got he joins the team when they couldn't do any more than win one race a year. Given the frankly terrible F three ten and he somehow comes up three wins out of it, brings in Ross Braun, builds the team around him, Jean tote allows him to do that as well as yours obviously identified that he needs. He needs the best people, right? Matter shits and Red Bull, but you go and get the good people and you put them in the place and you let them get on with it. And that's what they did and they ruled off all those wins. And I think probably by the time there were times during that 2002 1004 period where market didn't even need to drive it is best because he'd already done three quarters of the work beforehand. There were the Barrichello occasionally getting quicker and you'd just see it occasionally like a wet race or somewhere at Suzuka or he'd just let rip and just destroy the field. There's just an unprecedented level of success which is subsequently matched by Lewis Hamilton and Mercedes. So I don't not sure whether there are any other boxes he could have he could have ticked other than not do things like driving to Jacques Villeneuve at her earth, but I don't think that really affects his position on this, that's more a debate about where he slots into the overall greatest drives of all time. Yeah, I think I agree with the order again..
The Final Lap
"jacques villeneuve" Discussed on The Final Lap
"Hey Jacques Villeneuve, that was your first Daytona 500. That was fun. Got to the end, 20 seconds. So I'm very happy. We made the shoulder. That was the key thing where a tiny team and a lot to learn during the race because we didn't have issues in the duels, we didn't drive the following days. I didn't practice bit lane. There was a lot going on today. Definitely. Now you obviously had a few really close calls during the race. Describe those. That's what made it fun. To start a really just jammed down and then I loved to peek fitting in the first time to break bias was completely off, so I fixed it after that first spin. And then the corresponding files clipped it and when it's done. So yeah, it was a handful. And the car was really tough to drive. Yeah, so I know a few times early on, you kind of lost a draft, but there are towards the mid portion of the race. You guys are really hanging out in the draft really well. I was getting the draft. The car was really good in the draft. The problem was it took them out to know they could drive for me. But at some point when all running together, one time, I think it was a decided to take my air out, and we both lost the draft instead of him just staying there happily, you know? It was not good. That's just the way it is. That's the way it is. So obviously, you know, this was the only race you kind of announced you're going to be doing. Do you think you're open to more cup races throughout the year? Well, I want to do more. The question is at some point, low risk will be driving the car and that's it so it will depend on sponsors me. Thanks. I appreciate that. All.
Shift+F1
"jacques villeneuve" Discussed on Shift+F1
"Was ahead because i remember thinking oh at least peres will have one which will be cool right and i think this is. Why red bull was lobbying massey to do a red flag so that he could come in and change his tires to new ones to defend from hamilton ma. Hamilton also got the changes from wing which is interesting because of course sorry. Yeah you're because you're allowed to do that type of stuff during a red flag there. I touched the cars at were. It's not in park fermi right but you could see if say you could see team not wanting the red flag to happened because if bunches the field back up again and allows cars behind them to do things like change. I think was probably not scenario. Because he was kind of he was waiting to be enough or some anyone who who had a gap and there were plenty of gops. Because it's it's a fairly long circus as we talked about. Beforehand do tend to guess blue flag shenanigans happening or less often. I guess so. I'm sure there were people yet. Didn't wanna get bunched up that way. Also you know i. it's not you know. Calling and safety are calling a red flag. Innov- itself isn't more or less dangerous but if repercussion is that under safety car you know. They're probably not finishing the race because the three or four laps. When the crash happened rise it took a while to to get the red flag at whereas stunning star is almost starting starch. Would everyone bunched up with no time to overtake is about as much of a dead on situation for there to be contact between cars is you can basically imagine so. Yeah you're right decision. Not only it's not like this was an nurse decision. This decision actually does create the opportunity for more crashes. So right that's maybe why sits little funding on the stomach. Yeah i think my my main concern though is that it is ambiguous at this point. Like okay completely at the shit. Ideally this would be a computer making this decision right. Which i think is kind of the opinion of one jacques villeneuve who is a pretty outspoken canadian former f. One driver who won the championship in nineteen ninety-seven and he's quoted in this race fans article saying quote about this ultimately with the restart at the end. There's an issue with that red flag because it's random teams will complain that oh you help that team that one time but not us the other so i think there has to be fixed rule if you want to give a red flag at the end of the race than it should be in the rules. That if it's under caution with three laps to go there will be a red flag so it's not one race yes one race no that way. It's always the same and there's no bickering afterwards. What do you think of that. I mean i don't not agree with him. The the issue the only. It's very weird because we definitely have a sort of a lot of understanding f. one and sort of following along with the ethos of f one is to be very engaged with your pragmatic brain with the idea that things are orderly and that we understand things because there's a lot of different complex systems happening at one time. It's like if everyone. I guess what is a video game but like if f on as a system which you're interacting with is really complicated and it's only through finding patterns like the way humans understand complicated things is that we sort of break things down. It's really easy to understand patterns. And that's what the experience i think of of watching f one is is that you have sort of shorthand in your hand for all of this happens then that happens because actually what's going on is really complicated so i think you're right when when things like this happen. The immediate reaction is what. I don't like that. Because that's that's really i'm bigger and that's that's a that's human know that's that's coming from a different place or that's something that i can't anticipate so from a strategy perspective. Obviously it's completely you know you can't you can't if you don't know where the conclusion is. If you know what is going to be created by instance then you can strategize against especially especially if the two are so different. Tries to safety car or the the the race ending. Or we're gonna we're gonna go again to raise two laps. It's like impossible to plan rice either. Or so i don't disagree. On a fundamental pragmatic level however did was the best part of the race. The final two laps yes would end is ending race under safety car. The most boring thing that ever happens in f one absolutely and you know what are what are we doing here. We're here to be entertained. We're here to to enjoy people racing. So i i'm with you. I think i think it's you know i prefer the latter i liked. Daddy called the red flag if there had been a horrific crash for instance. Maybe we'd be having a different conversation around us which i guess is another separate conversation bus. I can understand that. At least it would be nice to have some clarity over bush. If i've completely honest. I think will totally forget at the end of this race. This instance was kind of rare and probably won't happen again and i. I don't see a scenario where they pick a red flag over safety car any other time in a race so i don't i think this is very much a oh. It's the last two laps holds everything So i'm not overly worried about it but i but i don't disagree with jackie. I'm not going to disagree with the you. Know jack fucking vm. Of he knows more about one more about optima online. Than i do way. Is he a big ultimate lifetime. Oh yeah. I think that was the game like he. He had to like get internet into his motor home while he was driving so that he could play mo my gods. I'm not surprised he was always like a wacky figure. You know the white hair and oh yeah you know. He didn't need to be. I mean his father's f. One royalty so yeah. Speaking of that. Show a move onto williams. Yeah.