9 Episode results for "Jacob Anderson"
Raleigh Ritchie - Time in a Tree
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This episode contains explicit language. Raleigh Ritchie is the musical alias of Jacob Anderson, musician and actor who's probably best known for playing the character grey worm on game of thrones rally Ritchie released his first album in two thousand sixteen and he's put out a handful of EPA's in September two thousand eighteen he released a single time in a tree. He made the song with Grammy nominated producer Daniel, trainer aka grades in this episode Raleigh Ritchie and grades take a part time in a tree to explain how it came together, and how it was influenced by classic Hollywood movies. Billy, Joel and overwhelming anxiety. Joe swan. Joe's. So. Freeze. Speed. My name is Riley, Ritchie. Have anxiety. So I just thought therapy, which is something I tried when I was nineteen and I didn't really respond particularly well to it the first time around buys. I'll try again and therapy was forcing me to think about what pasta love more and for me. This song is all about. Connecting one thing that might happen in adult life to something that happens when you're a teenager, some of that happens when you're a child, and like how you kinda have to reach back in order to help yourself in the present. Included the song grades studio in Brixton, London. I was thinking around on the keys for a little bit trying to find some cool sounds and I started to play with this kind of riff here. My name's John traina AK greats. We've done a couple of songs before this. We could solve mutual fans of each other's work, and the powers that be kind of us up together is really scary thing to share your ideas, especially when they're like, really personal things. You may not have told people that you're really close to us. Why saw important to have a really symbiotic trustful relationship with producer and being grades. We just really gone became excited by the same sounds. And he knows his where reineck keyboard. When I started to play the progression that ended up being the progression on the song Jacobs like that he's kind of quasi, only the showing to fill contemplative because that's kind of where my head resort. And that's when he started so of Hama few ideas that turned into the melodies and stuff that ended up on the record to use voice memos to just throw down ideas. You know. The full. One of the fast things in the song, I had was debris Joe have self-esteem maybe Vienna. Wouldn't wait for me. I love Billy Joel's album, the stranger I was listening to Vienna which is normally a song that's really inspiring him. Really? Comforting. Fun. You can't be. B before your time. We'll those role on the borderline tonight. Ooh. When will you realize? BNO ways. But it just it just wasn't working for me. The thing of like, just be patient. I couldn't be patient. I was just like I don't have the self-esteem the I need to implement what the song is telling me to implement just fade in like every single direction, I turned in those award in front of me, a couldn't hold down a positive thought. If I try it again. Well end up from the ground up and I don't know. Tuna sound up? Joan annoys out swallow, Don crying, go in anxious, hot and his stone may contact pay for a heartbreak deputy, Joel have self-esteem maybe Vienna. Wouldn't wait for the show. I haven't been Billy Joel moment. When I've already sung each fast has a different floor on his east fascist about a different place in my mind, different time, my life and invest two is about hopefulness is about trying to work out. What are the steps I need to take to just worry less to find a bay of contentment and peace. You could live a room. Could be could be. Fiction, you could save up to. Doc Hovis is about being child and feeding it could be anything. There was never any doubt. And now I'm kind of like riddled with out and so it's just about reach him back and trying to find the things that I still care about an still wanna do from when I was a child. So with the drums on the second bus we feel, why not let's just like switch the rhythm up completely. Lyrically and his delivery. It completely switches, up them becomes much more aggressive swimming against the cover, and I'm over on show me your water and honesty. I'm Barbara I'm on it again up. Guarded, I wanted to be sending again, just me and sunny. Nobody telling me off should be more than. But Quinn had a plan. So it was kind of, like trying to create a beat that would support that. Is like a trap rhythm rating. It's just the war. The hi hats, Luminita do kicks. Instead I shouldn't. She like inveigh Trump drums, which kind of has quiet for Neg quality to it. I want to drums to fail overwhelming. I think that this on this about ready. Well. The Sonics the song changed as we went on and they definitely changed when the chorus came about he side, just humming. This idea when I was like, whoa. That sounds really cool swan time the true new up place just phone. He was still have almost put in this kind of slight character on so sounded like an old Sampoerna move by, oh, it'd be cool to try and make the sound like an old record. We started playing with affects on his voice, distortion lows, compression in like a little bit. Of course, he stuff and this two different layers of the vocal. Visit same audio file on a duplicate track that's been pitched up an octave, and then the full moon added to it gives it that kind of Deepa throaty sound makes his voice like not. So recognizable says this. 'cause. So. And free. John's speed was. Most people who play the now, like, oh, what's the sample. They sounds like a famous recoup. I've never heard someplace and I really enjoyed that. And I did that intentionally I was like I love the idea of people trying to find this psalm that they'll never find, and people who've been googling and trying to find out, and it was just something that came up in Bali said, his acting background, is what makes him such versatile musician and artist. This is like a few different moods throughout the track that he can access in really like deliver because he has that background. So I guess he can tap into that performance and create the character for the hook jaw swan. So. The whole thing of time in tree radio site, climbing trees when your kid and being above the ground and not being attached to the world into the earth, you can dream. Listening to that piano line, along with that do. Makes me think about Casablanca, the as time goes by that kind of thing, and that's probably walk gave me that very traditional movie romance, so of failing, and I was so shea strings with, like, very cinematic moments, my connection to films and not type stories heading, I think is why some kind of orchestration feels like a really important part of my music version, Denver's who arranges woma strings is one of my musical heroes Burs is incredible arranger. I send Voisey these voice of me humming, different melodies, like string melodies over the song. And then the second. Some long those kind of lines at you go down when recording the strings that was like mind blowing like seeing and hearing a full orchestra like essentially playing some stuff that we'd written. And then Maine graduate talking about putting nature sounds in there. As like building things into the song that can work on subconscious level. She listen to, and hopefully it helps build an image. And hopefully you can put yourself in that image. Jacob when he was Ryan Hussein are can kind of imagine a guy sitting with an old guitar like in a tree writing this song singing this song. I imagine like a seventy road singing it because the sun was so much about reaching back through points in your life. I thought there was so many kind of romantic about the chorus bay like an elderly person saying in a park singing this melody to themselves. And then there's those clicks in the precaution in this song, the ticking of the clock. The song's about using your time. Well, and I often feel like I am against the clock. There was a particular point in my teenage DM where I was very depressed. And I couldn't do anything. I stayed indoors a week without talking to anybody. Then go outside. I'd scored like delivery, very dock part of my life. And I've got this weird complex about that time in my life where I feel like I really wasted valuable time, I felt like I haven't done enough with my life, who the time I felt I could always be more. Easily articulate myself, particularly when it comes to things that really passionate. So writing the song is how I access that part of my brain that I wish I could access when I'm face to face with somebody, this cool time injury, partly because one of the realization if the song, I think is that time is the biggest currency. That's the only thing that you can't get back. And now here's time in tree by Raleigh Ritchie, and it's entirely. Make stakes day ended on a play. Try to leave since stunned. In a way. On the edge of crying time 'cause Clark human, but a. A. Swallow? May concept. Joe have self-esteem, maybe the way the our swan. The song. Pres. Could live. What else to be to be in? Fiction could save up to. As a struggle, I guess, Khuda just wanna be happy swimming as the crop. Over. On wadded up guarded Senate gets me. More than. Quinn. So. Three. Speed. See things. See. Too many days. To vani times. Let's see. In just. To try. Jeez. This trip. Greed of me. Feed speed family. Take to make. Shoot. Joe suarez. So. Visit song exploded dot net to learn more about Raleigh Ritchie. You'll also find a link to buy or stream this song. Hey, this is Ritchie case. And I wanna tell you about another music podcast fee to check out in addition song, explode her. It's a music documentary show from KCRW called lost notes in the second season of loss notes music journalist, Jessica hopper under some of the greatest music stories, never told you can learn about the pioneering cynth- musician and composer, Suzanne Xiang, and the women behind David Bowie's favorite rock band fanny and how cap powers two thousand six album, the greatest may have saved one fans life. Find loss notes wherever you listen to podcasts. Song. 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#TSP062 - Jacob Anderson
"How are you doing? I'm crepe Parkinson. You are listening to the to shop podcasts yourself down public Marisol child. Who's with this? I'm gonna tell you right now. How the Devon? Everything good. He's Thursday say loss, bloody cold air in the UK. That's because it's November. Can you believe is November? This year is set by now. Say the word now. That's right Christmas. I'm going to start talking about it. Because Jimi last Christmas what we did. Now, if young joined those than this is what we did all the listeners, we all got together and all dissent in their favorite moments of different episodes. A what we did is we all together in a two part episode, and it was the listeners podcast listeners favor. So we thought it went down. So well, the last thought we'd do again, so get you thinking capsule, go back through all the episodes the lessons this year. Got you little favorite moment. So if you thought of Susan calm was bad. I send us the time codes. 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It can be anything that can be ready small. It can be massive whatever the podcast means to you. Why get on a design to Asia? The best one wins a notion who's gonna judge liberal pass gas STA judge yet are might be nice. I. Right. Past present guest episode, sixty two we went to London we went through all of Lillo cafe in grey, straight bigshots Mace on Butto and Tanna they're helping us out, and we met with the very lovely Jacob Anderson, or you may know him as Riley Richie either way. I think you really gonna love this episode. It's funny. I spout J few days ago. Just making sure it was cold with the episode, and he said listen back to it. He's in a very different adds spice to he was why he was a few weeks ago where we recorded it. I don't wanna say too much. I think you'll understand once she listened to the episode self. It's it's very very honest. This is episode sixty two of the to show podcast with Jacob Anderson. Let's see it end. How's it going? Are you good? I'm good. I'm glad together at last hour which S four lease sex lease. So. Walk came first for you. Because this is the first time I've spoken to somebody who's got who's constantly kind of wearing to ATs and the industry. Yeah. So what came first was it the music or the acting? Israeli where I've got like this long convoluted. Contradictory origin story. In that like. Music was the first thing that was like this is what I to do for job. Yeah. And then I did like I went to like acting groups as off occasionally when nothing. Yeah. Yeah. I think are just like. It was a good way of expressing like getting spied energy out getting out. Yeah. And I'm an assault much teacher. It was kind of like I sense that I can draw. There's no desks says nothing to sleep one. Kinda slept Frisco. White yoga say say you were those years goal. I wasn't Lazier. Just I didn't feel feel engaged. I fell. Felt like it wasn't for me. It wasn't really. In a way that no one was kind of speaking to you or nothing speaking. Yeah. I think it's like the things I was really interested in already engaged with into English a lot like writing reading words, I like music by didn't like music lessons. I hate the like theory of music because you have you obeying soft policed in musical environment. You connects press what you wanted to do. Yeah. It was more stuff being forced upon you. Learn the history of baroque music, and I was I know how that relates to me. Now, I can listen to I listen to classical music, and I'm like, this is beautiful gonna put Marvin things with school. You kind of you get given context. I gave it to context about the about where you're listening to like listen to this piece of music and then analyze if five minutes and tell us why is important and why change the face of music. K fray and environment, grow and learn I suppose things you know, you saying about now you can look back on classical music, and you get something from it with oh cost things dot com from maturity is well known. Brett, would you? Did you did the the one thing for me? That was like the real two point. I guess was the I spend lunchtimes in the music block. It was like a Moscow they had had like a bit more money to put. Arts and sport. So there is this block that had like chew base your head of Cuba. Production software, but they had their keyboards. And I spend time in the media room making beats often plane most about the piano, you're you're you're at time to express yourself. Yeah. But I didn't. Basically when you have to pick your GPS's that time came about a music teacher chronic didn't want me to do music because she could tell that wasn't engaged in that kind of intellectual. Yeah. If you chose music for GCC, you got access to the music, look a lunchtime soda lost access to that space. If I hadn't done it c- gosawx played a game, a better. Yeah. Bargo in EMU's IKA. What she saw on. What you do for a living now? Yeah, we're in Bristol way. Yeah. Whereabouts. Can you tell from my strong Bristol boy? I live now not far from Bristol. I'm in Gloucestershire. Okay. I'm sorry. I'm Ness droughts for my thirty minutes from bath. And Bristol on bristles. Always struck maize considering this eight years to African of been knocking about. Always going off. There's always is very crazy. If say that when when you were there. Yeah. Yeah. Like, I think it was in the sense the. Nobody ever. There was never any chronic lack resistance to to like so create if being a job or been something like you're allowed to not work. If those. If you're a creative person, then just gonna be crazy. If live your dream do have you want healthy thing is great. But at the same time, I think like most people about I'm a walking cordination like. I kind of energies great. But to me when I was there at felt unstructured it felt like it was like to make music for people in Bristol. And there's like a scene in Bristol Bristol or Somme always like more. I'm basis than I think, and that's not to say that people in Bristol on I'm basis. No. But I felt like that was a teenager. I don't show when you're growing up in a certain place. It doesn't matter apart from if you're in a huge say Bristol, my felt very very small either you growing up in the time, and I love your tastes. And I'm visions to solve grow especially with specials that connection without Bristol music insane always has an stella's now. Maybe that wasn't speaking to you at that time. I resisted it. Right. Really? Yeah. My dad's was friends with like, the must've tack people. He puts had like thank you grew up with them. So that thing I we saw parents thing trae thing like, oh, thus Liaquat won't hurt this to onto that layer, certainly speaks to people of a certain is done that that, you know. I remember. Massive attack implores her plan open, then where from other from Bristol Bristol solve from that. Even now like star so stuff like Turkey. Snow sounds like revolutionary. Yeah. I was just like, no. That's not me, especially if he's as it's like a book, and it was passed down from some. To find my own of path on my own type. Yeah, I gotta I got speaking about your parents. What did they do for living? Moi mum. I'd they're both chronic people. Well, I've got three parents on the play like, I'm I'm a chart of voice. So my yeah, my mom and dad had different kind of jobs. They just kinda gone from things things. They've as I've grown up Mormon worked at one point. She worked in like. Merch for PE Gabriel's by a label. Yeah. And she did like. Inflatable things, you know, you see at festivals and stuff you see those. Yeah. Big inflatable sculptures. Yeah. Did that for years my dad's has worked for social services? He works security for many years. Eighty. Or at least plasterer, right? That's like that. She's trait trying to work out where the crate from us comes. Times. Sometimes it just comes from fucking Noah, sometimes it bleeds down because you know. Yeah. I don't know. Must have lost jobs as well. Got to youngest this year. Yeah. I I don't know where it comes from really like. Dad's very passionate about music. He's very passionate about music. So he introduced me to stop quite young that nobody else. Resolve listening to of my age. We kinda like I feel like feeding. Yeah. Yeah. I feel like I was always to some degree like encouraged. Two two. Like follow wherever it was. I was interested in with some exceptions. Yeah. I don't know where it comes from. I do I think your point about Bristol. There is think that thing does feed into people that like. He's a mix. There's Bristol's very much about mixing and matching different coaches to make adding and I think that's definitely like bled into. Bled. Into me somehow. Yeah. Like, my my parents they will create in their own way. Like, I I never think creativity is just about like if you writes off four year act to you sing. Yeah. I think you can be crazy. If in any field of work, you know. Absolutely. I think it's just encouragement, I suppose that what whatever you whatever is Cray is inspiring. If I can't pasta wall to save my life. Boy, if you're come and show me how special and oh I'm getting inspiration from that. That is an artist like the way. Cost is wars beautifully. I need really takes pride in his work. Like when he. I've seen some of his work and not the first thing about I labored firm for a little bit. But under the first thing about plastered, really. And I can see that. He's ready. Great way does. And that and I think he's I think is like you take pride in things that you oppression about and care about. Yeah. I think that's what creativity is, you know, it's like putting energy into something you care about. Do you find it personally when you do? A lot of an immortal can about the music. Now, do you put a lot of love and care, and you especially in music because you know, when you're at ten there's only so much control off because you're reading from somebody else's scripture when you're creating your homework, and you in all that loeven cat and. In you. Don't get back. What you feel you should get back. Is there an expectation? John eloquent enough. You say, you know, what I'm saying? Yeah. I think I don't have a strong expectation of what happens on the other end. Like, I think the way I make music is really selfish. I think I- selfish way like it's like an Xs. And for me, that's like kinda come to that realization recently. That's like if the things that are holding me back away or finnemore brain. And there are manageable things if they if like if my outlet is to write a song. I'm getting as much of that stuff out of my head and put it into his own. I'm like, I'm transferring the energy, and it doesn't mean won't come back. But. Whatever the energy is not day is if I've done if I've been honest and of dumb Weiss out to do then it's gone by the end of the session by by the time not songs finished for me. I'm like it's done for of been trees moso. Yeah. Honest. A now have made something positive out of something really difficult. But that doesn't mean that I get the biggest sense of like the other end of it. When I do shows I want to do live shows St. people because you get back. Yeah. Yeah. It's like direct to see people singing. Song as a really like really personal things about your in the thoughts like to me that makes me feel less lonely. Right. And that's the thing that are already out of on the other side. But I don't have an expectation of like people have to listen to this in this way or this time will fail us. Yeah. Yeah. I do have a hope at least in hindsight. When a finish the song that I hope this helps somebody is some way that feels the same way as me, even just a small fact one. Yeah. Something of what you're yeah. I hope it helps them with their Xs. Yeah. Put in excess of into as it's like, no. And you said a few times about personal things that personal things that are honest. Do you feel that when you right? It has to come from a place of truth and honesty, and you impersonal to connect with the music because that would that would solve connect with the actresses the half the out in maybe in a hate in way food for me. Yeah. For me. I definitely think. So for other people, I don't think it has to be that. But I can tell when I haven't been on his last. That's funny sows and next thing I was going to talk about because sometimes if you you know, it's like. You know? It's like when you're acting. Yeah. No. I don't buy that. I believe it. I mean is it the same when you you write something write music? Yeah. Yeah. You can tell mmediately. Yeah. Yeah. And I hate is. I hate to kind of put almost aren't to put this out into the world. But. Because I don't think it when I say is. I'm not to anybody that is making music or making some don't want to put this like thing on them to be like, oh, we'll I'll do this way is. I think there's like a is a really unfair. Thing that happens when people talk about something they've made which is the comes across it being easy. And like. I think. I think it's really important to be honest about the process of making something and how difficult it was last year. We went and did like two weeks in this farm just to write for the album and like every day. I wrote down how the day gone because I was like I don't wanna forget when Nissan's will finish them published. I don't wanna forget how hard it was. Sometimes I wanna forget the forty five minutes of silence when I couldn't think of anything because I feel that that would be a lie would undermine hopefully the truth of wherever saying, but yeah, I can tell I mostly the songs the most comfortable with most happy over this in my coffin because he's just come. Yeah. But it does fall of your put that because it comes from a place truths, surely. Yeah. Exac, that's the thing is that will happen. If you telling the truth. Like, I think that if somebody is passionate enough about Hoover's, they could write a song about a Hoover and somebody else in the world would be like, I know exactly you're talking about feel exactly the same. Exactly. Yeah. Like. If you con- saying or you can't like you don't have to. Traditional big acrobatic voice, lack if you made it then you'd be wrong, if you maintenance if you can sell it and someone's going to buy I cry crude whites room, I'm talking about. If it comes applies the truth, and there's connective between you and that other person, whatever it may be definitely. And you talk about I mean, that seems a lot of pressure know, we're gonna have two weeks going to be in his bomb. Do you come with pads stuff or you go? Let's see what falls out over the two weeks. What if nothing sticks of tried to be prepared vegetables that that's not the way the work that he's a whole new thing? More time, I speak to seventy different musicians, and everybody's journey to get right in the album war is just my blankly so different just like talking to anybody else. An or an artist or a power this refer. So the why? So you don't put that pressure on yourself all the time every everytime guards the studio. I'm like I put so much pressure especially off the lie being in the second album mode. I'm constantly like measure myself against everything else out. Right. Okay. I think that's kind of what rise block is. Maybe or at least it's to me. Like that is is the process of Dowling yourself every so feting is. Yes is like which is which is really hard a more. We all do it and the times when repulsively should do it. But I personally think it's no when to when. When not for that, selfies. And of course, you are going to do make comparisons. I mean. The first album. Did did very well. And you I'm sure obviously your plays with the quality and honesty of the songs sometimes. Right. You know, if you go into an audition image, just we'll just cross the streams and go over into the. I need to really good audition. But then he got the job. Are you thinking our what are you can you that too bad or you making comparisons with how you on that day or I'm just trying to get some power? Dell's between not on the music, you know, I. Afflicted with with thing of like, of course, I didn't get it because I'm not good no via. Okay. Like, I never thought I deserve the single job. I've ever got of never. Yeah. I've I've ever had that feeling of like. Yeah. Deserve to be. So I don't I never have a sense very often addition if I'm Wellard north just Latin. I'm just going to do it. Trauma? Best try make it seem like the way somebody would say this to you. It's yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But let's let's go back to keep jumping around the timelines. My life is I twelve conversations like a structured interview questions and answers. There's this this this this isn't that you know. You know, I. To leave in school. Did you have the plan? Together outburst. All that point. Oh, when did you feel the I I think if I'm being ready on his I've just come from therapy? You've got like a very raw. Noble. To be honest. I kind of have to get out of Bristol of. We don't have to talk about anything that you don't know about. No, I'm I'm happy to talk about I'm happy to talk about because I think honesty's important as comedy working for the moment is that like especially in terms of if if anybody else can. Convert late something that maybe helps them in some way. Yeah. But like I was depressed at the end of school. And I didn't know it. I can only put that language to it now. But yeah, I like, you know. I go to SE's. I almo friends it like, Don ready. Well, they were like as law student. Yeah. So I felt complete our cost are ready kinda like I spent most of my school time out cost myself and just making sure that I was like cool with everybody. And. Pretty effective when I came out, and I had no idea what was going to do a new. I wanted to make stuff by didn't know, what there was nothing that really told me that there was a job where I could do you like why enjoyed about drama y enjoyed about music. Yeah. But what I did do. And now think about even know how managed this by a think it was like ten page script and send it to the head of. This course, Bristol college. He's media moving image, right? See I mean is it's not a very linear thing. I'd also just started to like fall in love with films, right? Okay. Really different ways. How does it? When I was a kid. I was like I used to write reports from like for why we should go his films. I'll be like it's rated PG. This lang. By reason, these times, this is why I think like, I should see this film. So I always loved films in that way. But then there's one night we went to blockbusters secret window that Johnny that Stephen King adaptation. He's always do square owes enough. Anyway. And then we also got eternal sunshine of the spotless mind. Which like I love Jim Carey when on garden up. Yeah. Remember guards with my mom. And there was this Jim Carrey film. I couldn't go see because I was too young. Yeah. And her friend had just been sit. We said it was amazing. So we went to blockbuster spider. And I was I I wonder what style one I wasn't. I was fourteen permanent. Yeah. We weren't secret window, and then my mom went to bed, and I stayed off worst eternal sunshine. I'm mind just like exploited. Yeah. I had no idea that anybody. I didn't know you could do this and the end of the film. I watched it from the talk to drag joy away. Yeah. And. That was the first time. I was like I would quite like to make films. I think I think that's what I wanna do. I like I could incorporate music I didn't ever really feel confident to say I like to write by didn't want to be like in front of anything. I didn't want to be like in front of abundance stage or one of a cameras spotlight is bizarre of ended up doing both. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yes. I was I want I want to be a filmmaker because that's why we're the script sent into. This course when inference view, and even though it didn't have to seize on aided. The head of dot co said if anyone drops out, of course, you got place. Yeah. And how did that make you fail? The. Because at the time personally thing, you weren't feeling great at all. No. So then some Bray giving you an opportunity and opened the door for you. Yeah. Did that help in any way? Within you. That was that was positive every positively commend it. Probably did. Yeah. I don't exactly remember. How felt that time about the cause? I was just really glad that was something I could do because I was starting to run out of icon. I'm not gonna get into a year the. Yeah, I'm not gonna get into college. A definitely going against the former school like how to job and I love my job. I worked virgin megastores. It was great job ever a loved. It got to be around the things I loved. So I was kind of like, you know, I'm happy to stay there and keep working there. But. Yeah. This was a different route. And I went. We started talking about like film school in like the choice of Garth foam score, you didn't necessarily half the have the grades college. If your work speak for you. Then you could go to those places. Yeah. Lasted two terms. Why? I was slightly. Remember this wrong. But. Open auditions for TV short. And I was still a secular before college, right? Okay. I addition for the TV show didn't get part in it. But it costs directors like would you be interested in? Acting is I think that you would like to do was I know I wanna. Do the other thing I wanna ride. I don't want to. I want to write and direct. And she was like, well what better way to learn? How to make stuff the beware they make things. And so yeah. So that was kind of happening in the background nothing really capable. I think addition for likes agents, whoever. Going to college. And then. Got cost in doctors. Right. Right passage. Yeah. 'cause slot actors, wrapping. Yes. Did that? And then I will cost in. Phone could out which was not that didn't have I feel like what happened was the director hadn't directed anything yet. So UK film council as it was cool. But yeah. They needed a test that they needed test footage basically had to shoot a scene. So I was the finance got cost in not essentially about cost to do that seeing. Short. That was wasn't sure is going to happen. Maybe may I was like they're not gonna ask feedback. I did it by job. Six months go away. I'm at college kind of like, I'm enjoying. I'm getting into Florida. I'm like, this is one of their wanna make films acting things. Maybe not. Like, Mark cooling. You're dependent on what you're trying different things to see what the best option is. No saw during this whole on him. I went to this think was shooting seven, my friend told me go to which was basically just this woman kiss him wrote just gawk club on a Thursday night. And you could you write a song? And then you perform it to the kids, and they critique you Meyer. Sahar harsh way. Yeah. Yeah. And that kind of built up my confidence. And then I started in this guy started band, and we like would play in shorts. Doing news is well, how did you going up there for the first time too terrified? But that's that's kind of what studio seven did. For me. Was it like gave me the confidence? There's nothing scarier than like stunning off in front of your peers them. No, no, no, no. Once you've done that. Yeah. And and that was kind of what gave me the thing. Like oh. Like, I'll alright I can sing I sing as well. But like I do under a seat in Madeira quietly and just do it because it's my I learned very young that just right and stuff down was the most I didn't talk to people when I was a kid. I didn't talk to anybody about where my head was at. So my name couldn't that point. Yeah. Yeah. Because also you you're a teenager. Yeah. They don't we didn't know. No words are the right in my exercise books. What was their of songs all little just mail it? She just writing the how felt that day. It was a diary, and it was therapeutic for you to do that. Because nothing for you. Yeah. So as an all of this stuff at the same time cost film, or in the teaser for it, six months, Corey by a did an extra the Bill, and I did this of a show could the whistle blowers will endeavour and. And is fine. I could just go and do them and combat college. They let me go off to do that. Because they could see why helped the F and then. Email from my agent, say and. They want you to do the film and he's like next month. I was I just I'd already convince myself that was gone. And so yeah, I went into that. And then that kind of that was the beginning of it just never stopped off to that. I feel like such dick being like, oh just just worked to work to work after that. And. Never intended to. And it's not that. Like, I did like it. I I loved it already enjoyed always the same from a. Yeah. Harry on. I think is the for me acting is does the opposite for me. The want music daughters. Takes me out of my head. Right. A completely removes me for my own brain, which I don't feel like I have control over. Whereas if I am not a have a level of control over presenting somebody else. Okay. I don't have to be myself for that time. I'm days, and he's really good for me. It's therapeutic and his own way. And I think in a way. Yeah. Exactly. Yes, I dropped out of college. Because I was like I'll. If I keep acting, and it's already love it. And it was up to London. Like always addition in as well like sometimes I coach from Bristol at like five AM to get to a nine AM. Cost in. Yeah. Donna, why didn't just ask if they could move it. I didn't know you could do. You know as I regularly doing a. Just. Yeah. I love London. It was we fade away from like those stuff going on horrible. Like, I just I had to gal. Bristol just can't reminded me the eye. Was lackey. Whereas in London, I could hide a bit more. And I could it could be just bearing unanmous. Yeah. He's gonna walk down the street and bump into people enu. Yeah. Again, and why did you fail you needed to start gun and tell me if we don't we don't need to go places. You don't wanna go. Like, I say every important. Yeah. But. It's a combination of things like. This stuff that now realize about then when I was growing up. I'm like that's not that wasn't. Okay. That situation wasn't. Okay. Okay. You know, like, yeah. This things. The will happen in just wasn't. It wasn't a necessarily good advice wasn't helping my mental state already already a bit. Shaken. But instead of yeah, I feel like London was kind of like. Is bill. I run in a way, I guess I was running away to something job, and I had a purpose. And I had. I was learning and I'll just ask people questions just ask directors and and like. Camera apart department Stockham questions about those you running away to the big city instead of having. No, so of clear path there was a safety net there because you had were you as you say you were running away, but running to something. Yeah. And then doubled up like I did sessions when I was here like music sessions to meet producers in London, I like, it was just oh, I come realizing right now, the I haven't not live constantly been trying to distract myself from myself by doing stuff like making music and songs like trying to films, and TV ideas and an acting and Dennis then just trying to like distract my bring a half, the keep my brain distracted. Because when it stops when I'm not distracted gar into like a meltdown. Even when I've got lots of stuff guards of it. So he's like says castrates. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So London was like, I could write music I was acting which I really enjoyed. It was taking me out in my head. And I was getting free film school as I saw. Yeah. Yeah. Of course, we learned on every set. Yeah. Two different page. Yeah. And and then kind of. Yeah. That was it. And then it got to a point when I was. Eighteen nineteen when. I started to realize that I was doing. And when I say this annul of accusation to this choice. Please know that I understand the privilege of being able to say this. Yeah. By style to realize that. I was doing for money. Was kind of unhappy. They didn't want to be doing. Yeah. Because I was like I love films. I love TV. I love storytelling. But why would I be in things? I wouldn't watch any money does most actors listen to this now. We'll be able to relate coach, you know. Yeah. I did do that. And I put mine up I've done it only only once or twice I've done that. I didn't make me so unhappy like I would go very like desperately desperately sad. And it was the only time our I don't think I can do this because this is connect to this. What I'm doing is not not asked to of important for. It's not true for believing. Like, it just says she back brings you down. It's not it's not good. It's not healthy. At all. I think of course, the unique. We all need to vote got bills to pay fruits part on the table. So of families, you know, it's we have to do something. But we saw as maze into it does relative. It doesn't it doesn't mean that you're on grateful if you feel like that. But like I do understand the value of. Being on a set or being on stage or like doing something that you love even if the. Specific thing. Is mean you love you can find something in it. Hopefully, you can find McKinney. The you're like, oh that's already trying. Yeah. I'm not in the best situation. Personally, I would like to professionally that would like to ban hill personally because you bring yourself to it. I've caught find some don't find something to help me. So get through I suppose on the other side now with the music, you're not doing things. You're doing things that you don't believe important a situation in a way, the lack of control that you might get sometimes they act in. You've got pretty much adult now in the music business. You've got pretty much full control certainly about the output. Yeah. Of of your of your music shortly for me. There was no output into like, I just did it for myself really for most of the time. I kind of just it was just right. And songs was just thing. I did to to how did it change them? When did it change? A concerted effort for you to go. No would need to have done this for me. I love doing this for me. And I want to carry on during this me. But I'm kinda wanna step it up. Okay. Yeah. Another sort like turning point in Bristol was the I am. As a son. Excise fine. Well. Just put your bless you. Yeah. Another was a studio seven you'd get petits sometimes to go in open for you be like you'd be on at six as the doors were open in for like different people. Right. And I open for this is Terri Walker your love and my now manager used to run buzz and he run that bar and he wanted to quit and start. Dmiti management. He contacted me when he contacted Kizzie. And then I my mom to me because I was I was under eighteen and used to drive me up to sessions and stuff. So I'm saying before I say, my manager did this because just be like wet wedgie get manager for but. I even make music just for me. And I I would put it. I wanted to put it out by had no real like desire to sign to a label or anything. It was like on just be quite nice. Just put it up and have it there for people to listen to if they want to take or leave it. Manager. Just made like some demos public on soundcloud and. Publish a hold of it publishes diet to send it to other people. And then all of a sudden manager got a load of phone calls and emails from labels. And like, would you? Let's come in for me. This happened around the time. The I slide to be like. A need to love. I wanna keep loving acting. Yeah. But not because I'm just doing this for the sake of doing it. Yeah. I was also I did play for a year. And it was just a year for a year long time. Yeah. And I hate it. It was not the right thing for me to do. I was miserable. I was depressed. Again. I was like. Self medicating being just being like. Very self destructive, very destructive place. Yeah. I just realized I wasn't finding joy happiness in anything anymore. And so. I started meeting labels obscene not gonna signed to major label. They still your music and then. You're worried already I to just be able to make why wanna make a make him ended up. Very again on with. People at Columbia. Dish in for a few things by kind of like slow down a little bit is the first time. I started. Addicts. And this is the first time I started to turn down or dishes. Not because I was in a position to financially or no. Or like, you know. But just because I was like if I'm gonna do something I love doing I have to go in and just do things I love, even if the how I try at least if the happiness is is taking a battering one-sided career and the other side of the career is fulfilling obvious, then jumped ship and go with the one that's so fulfilling everything choice. So like, I was just writing love songs of that time 'cause I was miserable. Yeah. And that was like the only way to get out early way. Get out my system. Still to is still a way to get out your system even now hundred. Columbia. Yeah. I realized I like I'm skipping a my skipping years. A have memories like very weird works, very non linear look. We do this. We jump on time all the time. You know, you've heard someone focused slight. It's great. That's very unstructured conversation. I like. The other thing that happened was the kind of the most important thing. Now was met my girlfriend. He's also an actor, and I always buy file work at the same time when we first met, right? And so we had this like beautiful run up, and I started to feel better. And I started to come back from that place that I was in. And that also I think it was another thing that charge me to be like, nah, go for love. 'cause love is mazing. Our love with something is the best feeling new funding, not joy back in your life. Yeah. The dennis. How was that offers? They help him with the depression that get you out of to a certain extent. Yeah. To certain extent. Like at the time kind of absolutely by thanks. Realizing about. Depression and anxiety in mental health is the. Really does come from within. You can't you can't just build stuff over it to fill especially when it comes from like, you know, for me like it goes back to like. Eight years old or something like it's just plastered over the cracks. And yeah, you know, they'll they'll resurface. Yeah. Or I get comes back. Yeah. You can't build like a fancy pilots over dodgy foundations now you have to go back and fix nowadays Asians exact load for a couple years. Intend to share? Sinkhole. Yeah. Exactly. Yes. I did a few bases acting to music. And then just as I was like, no, I'm just gonna just even just this year was going to concentrate on right music and trying to get a place. I'm really happy with them. Like, I wanna listen to this music. Signed the deal with Columbia or greets. I'm gonna do it. That's why not it's like distribution. They'll put my music out. They said to me, they're not gonna mess with it. Right. We was going to say we worried about people coming on board. And you lose any sort of control. I see I'm a I'm a control freak. Yeah. I like I. Yeah. Complete control. How many pay? It's you know, you're looking at one right now. And I make no bones about it and anybody that knows me. No, those I am anyway, just about over the years as a manifested itself. Very well. The you know, as you go along the road, you learn when to sightings, not say things and how to approach things just learn all the time though. I mean you. Apologize for all the time. Araya? Okay. Isn't just just everything's learning. Covers Koos older that you got mature. You got going on? Yeah. So the trust was there. Yeah. I I'd say there was like it was seventy percent trust. Okay. Can't give everything. No. No, you're gone. But. You're gone. I'm on I'm on the bus one day. And I'm literally like a few days away from sinema dough, by the way, I read kill your friends the week for someone else cheaply. Wow. Go move. Even now, why did I do that? Thank you. I thought it was like a factual away kind of is kinda. Yeah. I mean of someone always people. It would not surprise me. Yeah. Yeah. Mellow thing. Even I might be wrong thing, even John Nevins come out and himself gone. Yeah. We used to work in. Yeah. Yes. On the bus on my Asian kouzmines. She's like so that they want you to being refers. They've cost you got the part. And I was like. Beg your pardon. Wrong wrong line. I think it'd be like a really long time. I think like I do dishes for like two three months before not just thought I thought it was gone. So yeah, I ended up getting Gema fines and. Inside a Modell at the same time. Also. I just on broad church. And this thing we've our mutual friends caring hawks, and no my school, hotly. Terry one could mimic which was like for me that was the job that made me excited again by thing about like maybe wanna garner additional for foreigners and do us because it was like the felt like I was working with friends on something that we really cared about. And I don't think anybody watched it necessarily. But I did we work with like minded people. Not so called great environment. This all play and be free judged. I'm really nurturing. Yeah. You know, like Joe Harley just that women just she's such an important person to me in when I look at that time of my life, her rank here and his old. So yes, I was just as I was like starting to be like, oh, yeah. I remember I love this. Now, I signed it down to a major label, which is like they are. They only. So what make you do because you got these? So what was on the what was on the table? So you. Was the game of thrones. And there was signing with the label. Fill already short. Maybe the mimic came off the rachi. Basically, a con- sign any kind of our couldn't side any kind of ocean when I was signing. Right. But for his when when offered an option there were lot we don't this car. It's much being episodes. We probably will be a few episodes. If you could you could do that. Yeah. Yeah. But obviously, there was an element. I think where they were like how are we supposed to like? Establish you as a musician. If you're in like, one of the wasn't quite as big as is now the by then, but like like how I was thinking at all as I don't think anybody would take me seriously as right? Right. Which I care about less now by the time I did already did care about like what people would think perceptions and what kind of stock. That's so funny. You said it all came in the same time. Can I do it? And I ended up trying at least to do. Another dot go. Per for within you. I'm not talking about the the outcome. I'm just talking about the person or the outcome. Artistically the outcome personally. Yeah. How'd you hard to deal with I loved a love for love the mimic? The labels situation was. It was a good thing. So it was like a have a now have an outlet outlet. I can now. Like unleash with these songs. I've just wanted to my chest. And they they still kind of just lived in my own little world. And now they can go out. Can release the birds, of course, that can that can be what they want to be too many different people. Exactly. Yeah. Probably be different to so many people. Yeah. But yeah, are worried would I am about like knows could save me. Seriously. I I was I begged label to just let me because I was going to go into like ac- then because that's why I always done back. Yeah. So like, I said I said, it's the lay will please just let me do this. As like a mosques thing like just start release any press. Fires me or anything. That's just put the music out. And just have it be that kind of trying to work out while I was running the Hake. How am I gonna do this? I just I just need to just hide. And also because the songs worst person. I was scared. I was like I don't know if I want to give this the Hawaii's you'll really putting yourself out there all your personal stories from your heart. So out not must be ready nerve rock, then it's not like in upon stage a garden in front of a camera. No. Because also, that's the if you're if you're doing those things somebody else somebody's not I daily someone's not looking at you. Someone that looks like you buy complete. Present course. So yeah, it was very exposing. Bothers you something that you needed to do. Yeah. Yeah. I didn't need to somebody book. She can fell without letting now can never full enough. Put. Well, I say that. But like I said I've had like pretty severe like right block and exhaustion. I think recently, it's his first came out. But yeah, the label thing wasn't a good marriage. Like you can't go into for. You can't go into any relationship with three or four level like lays of God's up. If I had that third thirty percent of guarded nece. I had is enough for it to not be a good relationship. And I think we wanted different things. They saw me as one thing. Yeah. I saw myself another thing, and we both just kept going till it was too late. And then we're like just fighting over which was going to be which ultimately, I I one. You didn't fail you will compromise. After all that. No. Things that I'm pay about like the mix. I'm not happy with the mix of my first album. But I don't think most people necessarily noticed that it was think like this like a video one video. I'm sick you lot a hay. And doesn't doesn't represent who? I want get out. But but yeah, they they to be fair to them. They were supportive, and then not they went bad people. I was very cagey with them. I didn't trust the industry and the more went into it the more. I was kinda like, oh, yeah. I am a product now by the I want I don't want to be a product. I wanna be something else. So yeah, it was just a bad merge. So how did that change was a conscious decision to change? Because obviously, you were contracted. I was dropped. Are you a draw? I was drugged. Yeah. Like. A year and a big at eighteen months ago. So please change of some how long after the album. Say about nine months, but they haven't did well critically. It wasn't it wasn't. It wasn't really about that. I mean for one the expectation for is is really high right Mejia's? Like you have to you know, if you don't break talk ten talk twenty then that wanna fade. That wanna buck ause C Kriss, numbness emails more about this than either the music. But yeah, it was like, basically, the the people that sign me the person. That's I me left the company, right? The new guy that came in didn't wasn't interested in continuing with me. But. But. Maybe this feels like I I'm speaking of contracted to not say any of this. But like, so I've always felt like. It was it was. I felt like I had been wearing like way it close for four years. Yeah. And then it was somebody just instantly. Taken more often said just go run. Like, it was it was I didn't know being dropped could be Sasha positive thing. I think there's I grow stigma. In that that term what? And being dropped interrupt. Yeah. And this is really weird because a lot of ice dropped Fennell reason. And he's like the people's opinion of of an honest, but amazing that you saw it was also that it fell free and thing there. Compromised. You've been pushed him pulled about. Yeah. What it was? I just felt like everything was a fight. That's not good situations. If you're in a relationship, and you're all you do is fight and you have the occasional like makeup sex. We'll let you occasionally like, you know, you have no more music joy than thought. As you should stay on. It's not conducive for any relationship. About the trust. The trust isn't. It's like when you're acting when he goes after trust isn't there with direct to them? I always supposed to fall in like give yourself to them play. Yeah. Like, I say, I hold my hands off and say, they're like I was quite cagey for a lot of that time. I wasn't interested in like having personal relationships with an ours was just like, I'm gonna do my thing you do your thing. And that's not collaborative and it needs to be collaborative. So I know the I like resisted a lot. But it's because it wasn't the right? That could we could tell the right time over I think our new before I signed the deal with it. Like, I wasn't supposed to be. That's not the that's not who. I rely the house. Thumbs post living yet like. So yeah, she felt positive after that. Did you feel? You were just going to go back to to Ryan for you. Or did you failed? You you were you happy with that e. Yeah. Yeah. Like that was kind of why always wanted to do. But like I wanna ride familiar and then give its people. There's so many things like this much build up and like in this released windows in the list. The list like jogging this just boring boring. It's got nothing to do with like the is relationships of people that listen to what they make like is business stuff. And you still have to be still have to be business-minded. But now. Great. If shit comes first, that's what mine's guy. Right. Kind of as it should really has if the craves office. Correct. Then you can't sell it for me. There's no good. After like, if I'm giving you something that you don't wanna show how you supposed to. Mauka Senate to people. Yeah. Yeah. It's kind of works out for the best is just a. Once the album was done was out and a toward it and all that kinda stuff just knock it. I was like the end of. I'll say say walk as people actual wars. Yeah. Like, you know, like it just felt I was just felt like you spent spent mentally and physically. Yeah. I was just like I just need to. Rest. That stop in. Didn't start then stop you burn out. I am. Fail. It now still. I'm almost I'm like, you know, haven't of never stop. Always been doing something even like, even when of had toys times of like. Depression, and and anxious and like there's a way some plate. The I feel like a half the spend a half the keep garden after keep working after work harder than other people because I'm Brown half, the, you know, after work harder than other people because the the view of like actors slash or music slash anything is. Not really seeing is like as I pick something few love something cannot pick something why do three four three or four different people should do anything. They want to I'm going to I still wanna make films. I never just been as we know from all of our discussions. We've been talking about the both both things that you're really passionate about that. You do for a living now up pretty much equal you've been doing at the same time. There's a nice balance between not like, and why why shouldn't a musician then go and trying to be an actor or vice versa. You know, I understand that statement attached. But we just need to be more open going up. If you want to do it. Do it going to do it? Really? Well. Suppose Sugar Boy. It's like when you try and do things like really quietly, that's exactly. Did you would understand? Parents house when you were trying to put the Cayenne. Elephant come from. Yeah. Like. I don't care about that stuff as much as I used to. I just think like I'm just gonna be healthy though. Yeah. I think so I just need to go out my heads to some extent like he just saw out the personal stuff. I never addressed. As the thing is I've I used these things destructions from myself like I always, and it doesn't mean I love them. They're not they're just as excuses to be like, you know. Then just serve that function. But. Phil. Of latte blanked-out of my life. And I've done it. Yeah. Yeah. Subconsciously consciously. Like. Like, our Goto, the cinemas my favorite place a dark room, you can't leave and you're watching somebody else's life. And he's going off interviewed if it has to do, and it connects you, and it makes you cry wherever then that's cathartic, and it, you know. For me, the safest place, I can be on this release. Yeah. Yeah. I also know that the destruction. I I don't I walk around. I've been walking around the world with headphones on. Everyday says always twelve can't take in to constant away it. Yeah. Always tried to distract myself from J find the world imply, sometimes, absolutely. Yeah. Find baffling. I don't I don't get it. Well, it's a hard place and life is hard. And it is contradictory. Everything's a contradiction. Everything's true. And everything's not true. I mean. Yeah. And that version of your truth over there pointing off putting. Enough jacket point somebody. That version of is is that person's truth. We might say as complete falsehood. You know, millions of those Benz of different truths minutes is different stories. Is unique. I don't know we're all we've all got troubles over. So I was just had deal with them. Just trying to deal with them. I don't know. Right. Our exhausted. You know, what it is what it is? It's not the radio. Thank in time. To just a really thanking go actually sorry. I'm just being. Yeah. I'm being selfish. I'm thinking about something. Thinking about sorry. That's thinking. The day today sort of complexities of everybody. But your show in all those people out. I'm just wondering. When you constantly consciously. What no I need. Even though I know you saying now that you still like to be in that safe place. He'd like to be in that cinema light to be with headphones on when was the moment. You felt you needed to talk or have you always been talking? If we're drowning might. By was the time. When you start your hand up and said, I need I need a little help here. The first time. Stays kind of guys. Desperate is could get really. And somebody one of my employees said. Eat needs to go. See someone was it when you were bam, particularly self-destructive. Yeah. Right. I was being like unprofessional as well. Like, you know, sometimes. Say I would never do now. But I'd like drinker workers often is like you can't do that. But I think the. The company manager like at the time was. He just was like, I can see something's really wrong. Yeah. And you have to go in. Try and I'll take you home way. So I kind of got referred somewhere. And I'm just Radi. Bide time of how to really bite experience. So I was just too fragile time to take any. Like any kind of human error like against me was enough to just destroy me. Like started therapy. And I was saying this stuff. I never said to anybody breaking down sessions. Dislike was saying things that I've completely like stopped myself from thinking about. Yeah. And and then in one of the sessions, the therapist. My name room. And I took it so badly took it really personally. I was like I've told you things you never told anybody, and you can't even remember name. I kind of. She or he was is a professional. I understand. What is now? Yeah. You know, like she saying. Gee, she's is many different people have many different stories, and yeah. But instead of like saying that to the therapist just never went again I start and it was really bad idea. I'm ready. I'm very very lucky that I met my girlfriend when like I said like you can't cover over the cracks about like, she saved my life. Like, you know. And also she encouraged me to like, right? Keep writing keep keep doing you. Happy doing that. So yeah, I didn't go. Well, first time I tried to get help. But I think thinking about kids. To be honest. I think is that thing that's really changed. This time icon put my stuff onto a little person. I don't want to don't wanna encourage that. I want to be able to be supportive as I can. And I want to, but I'm are now realizing I wanna be bad myself. I don't wanna feel like this. No. Because if you allow yourself how can you guide anybody else? So that's the other thing is like I spent years like being really open and honest about my like my head in songs, but never really took. It about it to anybody never really open enough about anything, and I feel like it's important to to talk to someone like as long as he feel safe as long as you'd like you trust the person, you feel like you're invited doesn't my who doesn't matter. Sometimes it's the people that, you know, even like super close to that really surprise you. I wouldn't advise I go Intel bike someone in the street. But like there are places you call their off to important. Each other as you say is an important for the people to lessen, but it has to be in the environment. These had a safe environment. All of our safety. Those like that thing of being too it. Somebody's about safety, and we have to create that for other people. Yeah. Without any solve stack more attacks because. Yeah, just shouldn't be nowadays. They upstairs connects for us with everything. Well, I thought you meant the literal. Earlier on my head. I'm not racist. But. Is that such a great thing to over here? I'm not racist. I've got loads of like my. You know, you can always go and talk to me like you so much fun. Enjoy it. Yeah. Yeah. And another episode is done. I think understand. Now why I didn't wanna say too much and the beginning of the episode by by what was in it. It's just better. If you open your ears and enlist to the conversation. And maybe understand. Now, why it is good to talk. You can talk about these things. It's important. Right. Well, not really a lot more to say, I want to thank you so much for allowed in describing telling friends get into those on social media where to shop pod Twitter, Facebook, Instagram, all those places it's to shop part at Cheam our dot com. If you wanna Trump as a line. And do go and write a review what nail five star on gone waiting for. That'd be very kind of. Yeah. I'm going to have a very very lovely week. Take care, and I will see you next week episode sixty three. Shop podcast is presented by me. Cry pockets of recorded per choosed by Thomas Griffin for splicing bluff on music, upper leave music is courtesy often. Then.
#TSP063 - Brennan Reece
"How are you doing? I'm crepe Parkinson. You are listening to the to shop podcasts yourself down public on. We're going to marry sell child with this week. I'm gonna tell you. How the devil. Oh, yeah. Everything. God fantastic. Good week. Not so good week. Okay. We'll don't worry. You know? I'm thank you very much for joining us. I am currently in a hotel in Lincolnshire looking out of the window the cathedral, the Russell of the trees the leaves fall off. So if you can hear that or maybe some people walking over the bridge. What's going on with you wherever you I was thinking it with podcasts. You know, I I I'm quite structured are listened to my favorite ones at some points. So say the ones on Friday, I'll download my won't listen to him on the weekend. I always essence them on commutes on the Monday to you do design to you have a structure panel. Just listen whenever you got free time. Interesting thought, let me know thank you so much for all the messages on last week's episode with Jacob Anderson. It was a really beautiful episode. And I think probably one of my favorite conversations that we've had so far. I know it took a lot of people. So thank you so much. Now this week's episode was going to be a conversation with comedian actor writer Natasha Dmitry and on Saturday. The Berlin Adam books on his podcast, which I love. She was a guest on his. This week. So what didn't wanna do not as Laura against it? I just didn't wanna cross the podcast streams an half her on ours and on Adams the same week. So she will come on next week. I think yes. Next week. She will be on onto this week. It is episode sixty three with standards condoms bake stand up comedian Brennan race. I'm no you're gonna say, Greg very male heavy at the moment just mail mail after week. I know it's just the way it's going, but next we'll have Natasha. And then I think we're going to have their live episode from the Manchester podcast festival with Ralph little on the mail crate. Yes, I know. But it's just the way is it's I can only get the conversations with people when I can. But after hours and then rutta Christmas, you'll be complying because it's over miles is just famous female famous. So look we will address. Yes, this balance, please do not worry about that the teasha competition that design the teasha competition for the two shot podcast is actually closed. We're looking all those entries, and we will announce a winner in the coming weeks. And also if you're one of those people that donate five dollars or more of on patriot to supporters show the love, and if you are awaiting onto the beautiful ammo badges, don't worry of caught your name of got your dress. I've put in an order for some new badges though, becoming very soon so make sure he's out of the postman that they will be coming very soon. Now also coming very soon his Christmas. I now to this year it's gone so quick, and I want you to do is go through this year's episodes, pick out your favorite little bits gives the time. Coach working apartments are beautiful compilation. Maybe it's a just one episode. Maybe a two episode. It depends on how many get so go through. Pick out your favorite bits. And that was no now this week episode sixty three if you were at the Edinburgh fringe festival this year. You may have some theater you may have had a few hundred flyers thrust into your face. You will definitely though since some stand up comedians. I was there. I saw a few Brennan Reese is as Donald comedian who's been there at the end of fringe. Thank you said for the last three or four years. Chat with him myself producer Griff went to the funds has exhibited black an edge, straight, the very kind that gave us a room. We sat down with stand up Brennan race. Now, the sound on this is is not as great as normal. Our Bill about the room was very echoey and Brennan's got a raw the loud voice. But your is just after a few minutes, so don't worry producer graph. Yes. Let's do this. This is episode sixty three of the show podcast. We've Brennan race. I'll see the end. Podcast award. One is. How it's gone to. Yeah. It was good. It was good. Yeah. We only the Saturday. Oh, sorry. I I was on that Griff was out on the Friday. Did he say on the Friday? Neither on the Friday think. So yeah, I use it was awful. Awful the move the comedy tent right next to the main stage she'd go on like, just Judy. Jeanette yours wanna go to. I remember years ago is that good. The comedy used of of the other side in the back Corta. Yeah. Not far from the kids area. Yeah. I was much much. I don't wanna be competant detto. Remember it being boxed? Let's just now. Yeah. This year horrible. Sunday worse. I kept looking at it from a hotel window on over that. I went to the spa and once. Yeah, drying, and I've owed. The hotel. Then saw all the struggles. Come in by gonna. Off. I don't Docker to that. Remember what I use? It is forty one. Any that two hours quite nice. Tell you to read it. Now, he was it won't be allowed and his too. On the trains London when the festivals others too old to all. Auto. The only lot twelve year olds reading leads. No in Dorset. Though, it's the super. For middle class halo. There's got some fit going on over there from the roll call about pedophiles. And. Basket weaving. Magassa Loayza kids be Drucker like these cases. Actually, I know what you mean the American flyers the red things all the image on the other got the defense on the. Because. Disclaimer. Did you sleep after? For a long time not long enough forever. Week off was going to go another day. I thought you were going on all. Why work to do it, right and work gangs? Yeah. Do you not go out and just get out doing it for a month? Yeah. Turn down fine artists. Financial concern behalf enough. Right. Well. Good fat fat. I was just like gives a week of a week off. And how was your number this time? It was good. It was stressful leading Knox left to the show. I remember when I texted you about coming on the podcast, you one car got do. Plus, I'm in Bruin three weeks. Vala just really started. Why why would you put off why nerves? Like be buffered which shouldn't be the case, but you can be on an Edinburgh show. She was like your nose nosebleeds. Dress the first punished. In the show. Wasn't do nice song out. So basically do one hour story. But this one I wanted it to feel better than the other ones band underscore the show. We're not practice stilted day. We did it. Once you're not written anything talk about flying by the pounds Frank Godfrey days, and it was fine. Like, no review is no one in the first few days. And then I ain't spent to be sixty minutes. Why do you think that was because rehearsed? I was like just trying to make it quite written. I'm trying to make the end. And then the stuff that was writing about was about the end of it was about a terrible break of been for his when right about balls or chose the right of did you feel the nature? I about it as some sort of every go free of them. Yeah. This is your third Edinburgh. Food for free entry. It is. And then I got two zero not going back. Are you going away? Now, do you think you will go back some point? I don't know what they it. Be some forest under just don't want to go back and do the same thing. Every why is that what you feel you've been doing for the last three years? I feel it's being like grow growing and getting more like story stand up shows like if you can watch us just every. Is that something that somebody said to you or is that an internal through fail your, but your mostly not churning out the same three stories of it. You're talking about the format. Yeah. Like people. I guess if you've been so he's like a trilogy of shows you watch him separately. But the in Popovich so you'd like you got rewarded for seeing all free? But then. I think if you've seen free, and every camman, I guess it's like a film director just doing the same again. And again, so I just need a break because loads of those Brennan way talking about. Suppose you want to switch you up for you. Because you probably want to challenge yourself in different ways. That's the great thing about where you get to do whatever you on anything. So like, I feel the well dry because personal no like this. Loads tedtalk comedy people. Like, hey, do you want an hour of something? That's not funny, but means a look right now because he's the pointless. But has been used for when you look back over these three shows of the three years at Bronco even off changed the format now, I'm really pleased. I did that because it did it help you personally. So these stories you needed to get out. Yeah. So he's usually about something big that's up in the air before where the enough it came at the perfect time because all the way from life. Nothing's ever happened. Quite the easy life in a way. Tell me about tell me about growing up where did you grow up? So I grew up in Ashton wasn't. That was the just gonna leave you for now. Place called Ashton underlying underlie, we'll rolled up. Yeah. Our group in potholes pretty roof is very rough on the secret. Jim without show someone to up he was a millionaire. What channel four and then he's now checks, and so he was the boss of a big corporation in digger until our lives in a council arts and pretend prevents be like an an employee for a shittier firm like ill go voluntarily just moved to the area job. See us. Nice grand rise. It seeing how the other half live prison. The Paul ask gives them a grunting the leaves then leaves so ashton-under-lyne terrible place, but like against it. Mom, still lives in the same house. I was brought up in. But it wasn't really much scope. Being creative. If you're a great view again. Up at school do drive or anything like that was on the curriculum note. I remember that school like people should be ninety two route bay people in the ad. What is what is called in other? Running around with the bowl. Why don't you people in the again? So I don't know how ready fell into it. Our school life. Sorry to interrupt. It was challenging. Say it was good and bad. Like the first few years. Like, I saw a class primary school. I don't really close that is a school because my mom were you teach teach. But she was thin lady. No. She was like helper. She was like a learning mental throw the kids. Right. Okay. So she never taught me on up to do. We may. But I think it's all protected me for the first six years and then went to secondary school or got a big wakeup yet. Like just because I was like or could do what one I remember the first few weeks to assemble. And I was like what we need someone to play a woman. I'll do it. Quite quite by what else? Like a floral dress doing a show about bullying. Which? Did it? All boys school, all boys. Goes this this accident as well. This was in Auburn shore. So like the town next to it. Right. Okay. It was like one of they're not used to be like a grammar school and then downgraded for being so roof. So when I stopping Scott roof. So when I got that every week could be moment Nova paragraphs broken. Go in all the time. And then I realized that if I was for stood up to Manatt for fighting such that. Secca gay on the first I think someone called me gay Geico marched up to this group of year seven's begin all year right calling gang. And then he's like six foot lab. Well, I'm about to get. But you're a toll your quads whole wasn't a school. Really like, I think ten foot seven then one day. I'll just shut up one of those. What to do with each one of those things, you know, in times in in bed when he wakes it was just happened over to moms. You feel really out people said how always told I never thought myself as always talk like I was at curtains the style tech glasses. I don't know. I mean old blazer 'cause we could avoid these beautiful seven classic classic material downs. So then I realized that if you said like. If someone said something about like, go, go. Yeah. Defensively and then over people laughing attention to be on that. Good being around people. You got to be over. We're gonna get punched in the face the China around sometime sometime it took me about for years to learn. Coakley? The house. Speaking of the house. So you and your brother so may mom, dad breakfast, the older, right? Both into performing mom and dad Nova today with it. What would I mean that wasn't a battery factory right minimum just different job. So she meals on wheels worked in Abacha school. So she was like one of those moments. He was like, I've got fourteen jobs. Yeah. But an awful time like always to feel bad that work. Correct. So like way growing up because Burma's tons fifty seven years old. So I didn't feel like I felt like four parents two brothers and sisters about with. Yeah. 'cause they got yet. When he said they were into the performance. What would I to prove? He was doing. All right, actually. He. When he was like about it was one of those ones like youth fitter and then got good. So got an age when he was like thirteen fourteen. Yeah. Popping up in period, dramas and stuff, and let me sister was done, sir. The job actually, she she went on to be like a ballet dancer again professionals. Did it in the circus. Did she? You got married like a Samoan fight Unser Nash's engaged to Ukrainian batch. No don't do that now old. God have you can stand up. No about about that sounds like material, right? This like she's very hippyish. Yeah. So easy, Pickens brew from the around quite board. He's never joke. Written about him. Got he's not boring. He might listen to this now podcast. Defined quite like down the line. Yeah. Yeah. Born he just made sort of very so straight down. The line follows the rules. This is what it is comedy from that. We'll see you could try that you knew. About how you can't make show about him. So was the times at school that were particularly hard. Yeah. I think is when I got like fourteen fifteen bit older, you get very self conscious. Don't because your body's changing your change in. Yeah. You know, what's going on? No one else around that was into this into what were you into? So as into dressing like a skateboarder, but never skated Bryce carry on. Did you even have the prop of this walk around with it? In a while just jumping on. I think once went through Skype pack and fell off immediately. So I was like, yeah. I'll just carry it. Good. Looks a strong for full chain. You know, like a short sleeve Scher twisted spikes Misys? There's forty inch back pants class. And then I was into like music. And then into comedy always been into it since I was a kid. So the comedy came before the Acton they saw came at a similar time. So I went like a youth fits about your also discovered. Let me rivers. We used to bring like Lee Evans DVD's, not even DVD's videos. Eddie Murphy, raw videos, just explain to the people listening, the younger people and video that we put in a big machine. VHS? Yeah. Well, you very lucky. My first video recorder was a Betamax. Even as the you know, what is melody? Allies some people know they listen to this. So you'll be listening all know our left. You're probably slept on it. Probably is. Yeah. Late late sorry lay down from the left. So it was the inspiration was all these these types coming home. Yeah. Never knew I wanted to do it. Because I didn't know you could do as a job, but you're passionate about it. Just it was just always mad as well. So it made me go look at them just prancing around and get into one and people laughing the reds off because it always been a show off. So you ally that as a kid you're one of those making the life kid do magic tricks. Doing impressions. And then just like Levin attention. What what were your top three impressions? I used to do Chris Tarrant laugh. That's very specific. Coronation street. Just do it because he was when he wants to be millionaire. Yeah. The most expensive quiz night ever tally. So just used to do that. Which was I don't it. Just to go. My parents Rennes. I wasn't even going to ask you to do. That's not that for years. And then up do shit. Athlete. You're just like I was gonna Shah. Just. Yeah. Shit. What do you know when she some do you believe in life after love with the coda? That's it. So it's more of an impression of Okota. I'm not gonna fail free to do the. Don't don't don't. It's not one of those podcasts will release shat the Shatt. Good tech. It was another one. And then ones. And then what a day. I used to I used to be into wrestling. So I'll do like HOGAN impressions. But just rip vest. Another bloody tastes. He just like Jim veggies. So watching those guys perform standup helped you in front of the adults and making them laugh do impressions of comedians as well. So do learn bits. So it looks like right down retain puffing. My go to school and tell people. Stories about may drive it like Bill economies brilliant routine about he's getting. Something to do with like a prescription windscreen posse office my own. Trove your kids don't care about windscreens prescriptions. But plagiarizing at such a young age making jokes shriek comedian scorned upon in this community didn't used to be though used to be Shad fing. As people up all these hack jokes. Like, I'm going to do the one about we move in. And you can do the one about the people from a different country out very, well, put shoes and your words, very Catholic. But you quoting so you could have said anything, and it was the seventy s we all now a love horrible shit happened. Yeah. I don't think we know everything yet. I'm called course, we die. Where where where fad what we need to be? Yeah. Yeah. Now, there's there's more there's more Culp. Uh-huh. And that's close. So when he will even though you're watching these types of these comedians. Yes. And you were enjoying was more for hobby. Because as you say, you didn't realize that you could do that for a living. Yeah. It was it was more of a hobby things that are probably would take into go into like a youth. Like when you get out go. Okay, go make up a plane for two hours a scene where two boys just push. Yeah. Bring into that. So try be funny. Those again, not knowing that you could do as a job. And then became the footy wanna fater. Fater as like, oh, well, you always be the joke part? And that's where I started to go all these great. And then gills interesting like this is even like, we just like was a friend of okay? So that's where I saw family just going to go this place called it's called Novum kids Dovan often cancer stage school type thing goal. Yes. Like it was like you go on a Tuesday night. He might do Acton singing dance. And Ryan every six months to a show at a local theater only northern kids only Nova kids, and then it changed like an que. Did it? Styles. Why not pumping? Donna, Anka, and k. Then case. Sounds like a really bad drug. Just like peop- let you know when you find your people when you grow -solutely, of course. Loathe because even though probably didn't learn loads. A learn how to be on state like be confident today. J- I wasn't letting techniques or just learning out to be confident in the Dawson with any south yet. Because you know, if you know, I've in the outlet school, you gonna be slot introverted anyway because we've got to release it totally like it was like a safe haven on choose you'd go. You get to do these after school for a week. Filthy or any like I'm ever wanted to do any of those things I just wanted to more and more of going to like drama class. You got to never really wasn't fixed school by just wasn't bothered by letting about stalagmites and Judas. So when finally got to play, oh, mainly not musicals why in school in. Well, did they want at school? This was all about this. This was the saving grace. This was the calendar if we five years shit at school, so never did any of that school productions and then in the Laci, I'm going to do it. I think we want to switch. It was like go on do that school production. You've been there for five years. It'd be a nice way to end. We did a sound of music, obviously, all boys school, so all and then he brought in some girls from the college nearby. Am I got to do a C to kissed this girl? You have your own funded and everyone was like just pushing the death of. Who am I going to go out without huffing? We even though he's just a see. Right. The end of my five years of one I don't speak twenty those pricks anymore. No, no from wen occasionally might get like a a message on social media being like. So, you know, still do he goes some tickets for just die night reply. Yeah. Exactly. Yeah. But you as long as I've known, I must tell everybody I didn't know that you'd gone into stand up comedy 'cause I only knew as an actor because how many years ago, I reckon we met ten years and years ago. Years ago myself Brennan Montcalm stern, and I teach Yonne now Seattle in a film together. Not the only reason the I I know Brennan, and then I think it was Martin who said they become to see you or really it's sort of a. Current date for team, obviously. Now, we're taking Abram we know that Donald comedy influences been there from early age because I didn't know you didn't know you could do as a job. So unlike so let's drama school. When I was at twenty one was looking offices over here, we go. But I do because we're following Clinton. Nice line at the moment. So after school. Yeah. Seco- BART's all those folks. But I what did you do you have together next that oh in college? So college got trained to some new drama so nowhere near me drama. Right. So you allowed to to do drama and college great. So things I must've known I wanted to drama media studies. The most pointless. Film, today's English literature. That was the that was the trade off remem-, right? She's like do a sensible on and you could get going to home. Did she realize it this point? That's what you wanted to follow as a career Yere console. Did she wanted to have a full Bach lack of a Plum bay yet? Because that praise the poll if so she was never like, right? Well, you need to get your mouse mastering before you got this ball. She will also being sensible vice every things we already already tried to go and by that point of in keep to quit acting. So we don't want to play little shits in the house. And it seems because when you talk about you brother, especially now that he's quite I told the line type of guy that he would've even dipped his toe in that precarious failed. So it is modestly when you signed DEA. I'm going to have a go at like, it's not like when you try and do have jobs where you can like right from a lawyer I start as an intern way up even if you wanna work in production for TV's. Is a runner. Yeah. There's no like, right? Well, do this little apprenticeship obviously star little rolls unless you look, but the front let me brutally so fuzzy we have longer than getting so changed. So all. So the. Yeah. He was going to be an actor. And he was doing. All right, then like life came along kids. And all yeah. Seems like twenty six code. Also, you know, fab why people go into it. And then the priorities change yet. And discuss. All right. Maybe it wasn't few. Because our you know of spoke about his only times is so difficult business. It's my that's one of the things that I love about stunned up competitor acting, but you're bit more in control your destiny, there's no circuit for Upton also pulled because when you you're a standard Beyonce to one person and he wants t-. So yeah, if you wanna get good quick gigs, and you can not just waiting for that phone to ring can go in the overnight Sirkin, get good debt quick on some people who've been on ten years, but they just love doing it. So we've got you just saw way in an hoping you need an agent to get in the door. And then some people might go to the fringe Guineas such a tiny percentage of people with the fringe. So we've we've we've stunned dope. You can just go about. And then you might get a little bit works. He can do a part time job. And then you do in maybe ten minutes spots on a professional. Bill what your way up again, and again, and again until we'll it should bloody job. And you didn't all the time. You do it too much. Did it too much? I think I've got her stationed our where I mean to like live a bit of life, what material oversee your show is also personal. Yes. And no like so material. But also for like being a thirty one year old man who needs to enjoy some of his life. Maybe when we have caused otherwise becomes about were like there was one point only friends would just comedy friends. And then all we do is talk about comedy. You'd like he's doing gig. Why am I always did aren't you? It's because we just talk about work twenty four seven hit library in a room for comedians bowler walking. Well, but we're it is it at all toxic. Yes. Especially when you are a younger comic on the rise. Because you've got these people have had that chance they'll never happen again. But we were all these young e for comics. I usually get called you really have to be present. Because of the way you look look and also you are long as I've known you a very happy happy, man. Yeah. So I think everyone was like, well, he's just using this as a sideline to get in denoted presented on MTV. I might know. You take an gigs. You haven't written a new job for ten years? You still jokes about Rebecca loos jostle life. So it's very because this I think everyone's trying to get on the tally. I don't know why it doesn't mean that you'll better I guess the financial element is. It means maybe console. There's only a limited amount of spaces. So so bottlenecks in bottleneck. Where people were good. You can do the job maybe the new, but they're just older or not right or to bear. I don't know. Then that's when the negativity stuff to come out when you get these mainly men of the northern circuit where of committee. He will never heard of this bloody lot because you don't get outside the m sixty to the past five years. So it can be quite don't really quick when I started 'cause he's not doing all these comedy competitions where do five minutes, and he's like the newest student comedian, the newest BBC radio, whatever is. And I wanna competition me I five gigs. And it was one every month, the frigging book comical grass pretty famous, and basically just ten people got to five minutes. And then there's a winner one against people were much better than me. But I was just think all confidence in energy of being like on stage. Are you most me lies and the amount of Hagar from over comedians? Be unique to quit got terrible review of the main comedy, reviewer wise review, new ox, this is rubbish. It was released, but was also five gigs in only made me I'm stopping I don't want to annoy people feel like I'm back. Comedian was even calling myself a comedian then. Like, I I'm just going to to go to quit. We was like why you it makes you pay. If all these new friends, you're gonna let somebody who's got a blog stop yet. Even a blog review where it's like online website those offline, but like is this website called all I'm aware of chocolate only industry people look at it. Yeah. So it doesn't really matter. Is this guy called Steve Bennett who you name them. Shame. We rotate here. Okay. And so this thing was right. Bunch don't finish reviewing. It's like it's like a bloody Lyn Gardner going review in putting drums go show. Yeah. Of course, you don't get chance to be creative because you were in that you've been in the but. So you just shouldn't re- shouldn't we obviously you shouldn't fail that no early age. In light, you stand up Kraft five gigs in can you tell me about your first? Yeah. It was it was the Preston Fraga book, which is now dead. I was going to Santa another yet not living off from from president. Obviously, I didn't know book he's not like a club collection. Hannigan civil like harmful wouldn't surprise over thirties. Everyone's in three fish nets. And will know Funk's is one that black hole called rumors. Still. Not for me. I think I've spoken about room is on the podcast keeps coming back. Maybe I'll keep it in business. So he's on his last legs. Give shouts out that against Palmer's feel free to sponsor cast whenever you liked bigshots out two rooms blood. I feel just talking about. Anyway, Guam Preston front and book it so a book to in. It was my twenty four birthday. I was like only birth. I'm gonna put one son gig just to do it to said after net book an hour away from the answer. No one would see me. It's this thing called a gun show. If you shit you get booed off the last five minutes dive into the daytime because that's the only way you can get into doing it doing these garden shows 'cause he just gets rid of the proper crazies. So turned up, none of the comics would speak to me apart from this one. It was dead. Nice. Hoping does anyone and then to flooding, nervous pun? What was going to wear like weeks before practising for the mirror, but really try to do like try to do bits. Yeah. And. Turned up. Let me this. Sleep we've at drama school from Preston. You do here. Didn't want anyone to try to live look lease. Automates? I'm on you know. And I remember as it was walk into the stage alert more nervous than I did. Because he was on a date as well. Life, and it was just like basic spin, please don't be shit just rattled free. I don't know if there was any jokes in bombers in about ten minutes a words in about five minutes Ralph route, so no one could Hackel. No one could Bumi off. And then a one the thing that night. And many go maybe I'll do again one on one. The best. Benefit a third one at the comedy story much. This is still going on king gong the worse on the ones you have about ten people on this one about forty because like Hello. I'm from Birmingham gets off. Yeah. Hello. I'm wearing red. She gets off on. I remember just being like get to the mic if you can get to the Mike dot speaking to get you off, and I was look at the Mike microphone done. So so much that tripped up and just face planted the floor. Left and it gave me like thirty seconds grace period. Oh, brilliant thought I free gigs. I think it was probably four. It's partly. So the first free. This is it I'm the next. I'm telling inviting people to gigs like lynching. Wait till you have a joke about me, look like seven from wealth. And then then the fourth one hundred appropriate because would have got round much who the new and he can do that five minutes. And how do we do we do in five year got invited going to gig and rush tail in this new curl? Hey, the gig. Ten minutes between three professional ex and oboe. Anytime I smell the smell of like chips that you got from the swimming finished women. Yeah. For small reminds me that gig 'cause I was dying just dying a death from from word gal from the word go. What is that fail in like, you know, the fading when you get on stage doing the gong shows. And it's flying laughing Yukon hand the gong for it. You must. Certainly internally start to relax a little bit yet. But with this dying is it completely reversed. You start to tend to try in woods, you go off script seen people. Do that crowd work. Never try doing that. So like I've seen people what's your name. What from what you do? He's on dyin khanate a game of sneaker behind me. So that you've been Hackel by like that. Jeff. Some paddock kin these people far too. Well, let and then I'm going. So what's what's your name names? John. Your prick. Just go out with the guy. I don't know what was doing. But from ruining the night for everyone. Did you last the full time? Couldn't get you a really nothing quite I'm one of those people are up from time of always like try be prepared for still have to ten minutes because I've told someone ten minutes would have been very forgot record really the MC. It wasn't a comic. It was just this fat money on this new club. He had his own violence. Mike kept shipping in. He didn't. Yeah. Yelping? Kepting finger. If you go like a work globally further open. Catchy. A little free sixty flick. Yeah. Maybe like that was a good one Brennan makes you know. Make you know proper tanked how did you fail after that? I think I might have looked at vary. Like Fru rose to its spectacles where like do. You know, what what was the best thing that ever happened to me? But it was a term employment. I needed that. I'm probably didn't need. But I think I'm gonna open probably. Yeah. There's been a lot of them where. Shockers, but you need that ever needs to get good 'cause you just get complacent. Literally because character prop akara about it. What to be good? I'm not one of those people are my I want to be the best. I just want to be good at it can be a got home. I mean to me off the floor in literally physically soften should be. I can't do it. Why affects me so much less now because of because you care so much and you. You're going into. A lot of people over listen to this. Everybody on the street will go what's really his job. And I'm talking about in the craving just already. Estan comedian because he's just you. I mean, I can only imagine it must be so exposed and if you're talking about why was the gig brought style. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, like a specific thing that I wasn't. But you take it personally think. We've opt-in you go for him but audition how about loads too many come out go one that was made to your it. Just wasn't my day. Three. I wasn't prepared. If you come away. Were stunned up. You think the, hey, yeah. And people will tell you up in cold also. After gigs after gigs online. Are you one of those that sticks around after a gig used to just because I like, especially good. The reviews that just so of. Twenty four twenty five. You're a good gig, especially like shoot at night, and like I'm just going to from being like attractively a five ten to seven. I'm gonna wait around enough. Geico. Now get out because it's the just fill of it. But it's just work. Yeah. I don't wanna be that guy. Like, hey, cool laboratory with your tell you must Greg because you got the same things all ego. We're going so you favorite comic. What what what what jokes? Have you have to? Yeah. He's a joke for your raised. So I was just saying you're not racist community and not anymore. Although this number. So I love time on my show is very lovely. It's like a live action wrong com. Really nicely. With music music, very hard wallman. And then this one this viewer again from Charlton really very personal view like look now like seven years in talking about to mutter dead. Nice reviews reviews. It so bullshit. Anyway, do you show it to intro? Would you read them try not to sometimes the at you in them on Twitter when it's bad you go look buffing? I'm very south. No one about about one. No one had a good one. And I think good reviews it just as bad as bad reviews. Absolutely. They are just won't person's view. Yeah. They can affect your performance. Whatever you never find out when they come in. Because people want to know where reviews why we'll just do the show every day just do the best show. And then so I this guy I don't know where he got it from. And he said that my show was borderline racist and homophobic. Just like I can laugh about it. Because I know full well is definitely not there's not even a bit where my market see why he thought that. But then you go when you start going. But also, how did he had to come up with a conclusion a very personal review? Feelin? Maybe this guy used to be like a stunned open star. It is. Maybe I'll beat competition. So it was quite personally if I was a personal attack on us. Yeah. Seize your to say when you've got well, just personal. But he did call me a tool to be lowly really always calls with the Brennan race. So maybe it's not right. You'll stepping into my failed in your into this. Well, that's funny because we really jump for a I wanna kinda jump back. Yeah. Because you did try to ban did. And you did go to trauma school rolled around on the floor for free is nice. And you blacks, we blocks practice skirt. So that was that was the path you're going down. You will you want to be we're going to ban. So you weren't. So you are you still you're still off? I wouldn't do. No. Because I went that. I guess what happens when you when you go to college and then go on one of the good ones in the year on of the good ones in my class. So then there's usually some money goes, I've never thought about Trump school. So go all these dishes then in a couple. So I went to school about ten in two thousand five to know, bingo sheet. Everyone's the good person that exactly the whole class is one of two. What was the just live like a good speech for bits of ice stream and mushed like just get pissed every day. So I went there. The best phone didn't take much away from it. Until the pace of that. I think what why I was away from home. So I was like get to dick about. To sort it Moore's playground than so much. So learn. Yeah. Didn't like when they were going like, right? Let's let's actually ever get the entrant. This always. Okay. I wanted to. So even even then really it wasn't. It wasn't for you. Even if you thought it was a must have been something he subconscious that when I'm just kinda going to you want to tell you this is and I'm gonna have a about. Yeah. Like, I think maybe it was eighteen year old confidence lush arrogance way. Like, maybe it'll be alright old you straightaway. Right. And I wish when I was like twenty five do, you know when you someplace, but we don't actually let people into. Yeah. I mean, look I went one I was lights seven teen eighteen. Yeah. And there was a time where I want afterwards. Kind of. Not regret because I don't really not really a big one for otherwise not going to affect everything in your life. Obviously the forward against argument. I think for. Age. Yeah depends is is appropriate. Exactly. I think it really does. And I was just very mothered never really to like. Fend for yourself properly. When I got that. I was like founds found pound every three months in a student loan. This is great. I'm going to straight edge. On DVD's allowed to that. It's a loaded an overdraft. I love that. Yes. Play. Yes. And then found some propagates. Which is used to family around. And then in the end of the first year again get by plus me, little much bills and stuff and the first year teacher sat me down. And she went look you've got some. Using it so out by the time to get back. So they want to go back in the second day dried of did find did you not go down a bit more. Yeah. So stop going on our all the time and stopped. Thinking that when you do like, these classes feldon Christ and buddy. Gone. Among the Hoover started taking them a bit more serious. And then third year that was that was the year that one it's just or performance you do that free shows maybe little short film to showcase. And then I was like this stuff. I want to do when you went to policy into practice. Not learn of what the cost I've actor didn't particularly like, Nick. Trying to be funny all the time. Yeah. She's putting series roles all the time. Not I say we live did like a an Irish play. Whereas like an eight year old man come on stage about on. I was going with that. So and she was adamant she was like deadly. You need you need to lose your needs to stop being funny because you're not gonna get job being funny. Wow. What exactly and the student shit inside news like apple? Footy preview rug and recently, the go buck. She called me up. She goes come. And do it talk said. Yeah. Did you say? But I'll only if I can be completely honest about our feel and she was like what you mean? I was like well feel it was some stuff like this. What you said to me that wasn't useful. She was like, okay. Well, we'll get into the day. And she. Did she did she backtrack a toll that about what she said she tried to make out batch like she was going like well. You know, we would just trying to push push into different comforts. Own pusher out your comfort zone. We'll the Dino. Again. There's a foreign against for that. Oh, yeah. I know a lot of trying to do try and do that. But to be so. What of choose to say, you're never gonna. I mean, that's not want. It's not helpful and to it's untrue. But possible because it's absolutely possible. Of course. So then again, look these little Calva moments all of this like should be somethings. I've taken away from that. Where yet to be honest. I shouldn't have been. Us or do you think? Now sometimes yet. I remember right into my voice teacher wrote mcchrystal's card about four years ago said sorry just sorry from mucking about did. He get reply Email, and he was really nice, really. Did you feel for forever done that? I feel some time to be the big amount and go do you know, what I was younger, but was a bit of a prick and a waste people's time. Absolutely. Because we're all learning rule can move on woods just gets the system that. Yeah. I don't say it must be nice for them to be like well. Well, I tried in the right frame of mind for it. And also, maybe it was the wrong time three to I records go into that. Yeah. But then again, he conflict rats 'cause people on if you're done that shrew. So then my dravis comma moment, where do you do you showcase? Gac finally bits monologues and songs whatever anyone's doing. I was looking to a little job. I won't call it my first acting job because. Much reconstruction. Jobs. When you when you drops says, we'll pay your request for what gonna pay. Gonna pay the overdraw -xactly dipped into so a amidst the day when you're bringing your stuff so they were like right tomorrow, you need to bring in these monologue. So we couldn't pick which one you're going to do and again being a bit with us. I haven't looked for one allowed to write anything because we'll know allowed to make up stuff because we'll know we can tell about right? And so on the way, I was going from Jews Bray Tesco had been robbed stopped already know go. Red rocks were bowl this on the train. I in so wrote this this speech, it's like minute monologue, funny one. And I was like I need to think of a buck story. So most of play cold I'm writing with a pen. I'm going to call it Inc. And quite good. He wrote going for juice juice Br. Did this model? And this lady who was the cost leader. Onto finish goes. Really great choice. I remember saw full years ago. Did you could hear everyone's like bubbles clench because it was like in the people Negra new. Yeah. Yeah. She's like, yeah. I looked at the interpretation. Just for the past for years, if listen to us, absolutely bollocks. My God is my my showcase agent from it. Yeah. Do you ever go to ago? No for. So that was probably my first gig in a way, you feel that looking back on it now propagate so most of that inmates ago, right when I'm going to I'm going to do these funny. Little thing it's written perfectly for me is sort of a bit autobiographical. And then it just just worked. You got an agent from my agent for bed, and then than started auditions of when was the moment one. He won. Yeah. I mean, what was it? We not fulfilled. We're not getting what you wanted from. It was a couple of things. So. That's all it wanted to be just wanted to act tonight. And what do you know when you go like one of those people getting so close these things, and it really gets you one of those don't lose to. And then I e dead. Look, I just didn't start working which I'm so grateful for the talent six moves in. So that we did that job. And then I did like a musical. And that I did a range of stuff. And then after maybe eighteen months just saw it dry out. But it just got bit less like there's like a nice free month gap pay. So it going sign on. Might get a little two days of filming. Not in control. So that's why I was like, you know, what I'm going to try and do things that I'm not done not in any sense of for career. So I'm gonna do gonna do stand up gig. I'm going to go and learn how to do this. I'm going to do that. She just thought you were going to go and do not just one yet. It's all like a hobby that got out of hand. I'm dead grateful for she's the silly idea. Isn't it to go to I'm going to be funny? But why not try things when you think about well? What's the worst? That's gonna write yet. You might get cross. She by east spirit my Christian for the fly. Oh, you know, you're going to be all right. Really? And and I'll just end up in the same place that. What was doing just living at my mom's and signing on? So you like going to give him Preston. And it doesn't work tomorrow. Go back and on memorial caught me. And so you just sat down, and you just thought you, right? Five minutes wrote five minutes pressed it again, and again, so I think I you saw us. Pope stories that you have about three. Yeah. She's thought use them and try and punch him up. So just watch low end up to be like, well, that's type I like I'm not really into like political still don't wanna do that type of thing. Go to low to comedy nights before just watch like mighty birthday once communicate ninety. All the time. So I think of learn a lot of bits by Moses way. Like, all right. Well, I get when they go to the mic. They take the mic out move the stunned. The end of the best bit. They start on the second best bit. And we also learn about what not to do. Yes over I wanna go. Oh, well, that's what they do. See I wouldn't do that. So I can take maybe I can morph into something. Yeah. I think it took a while for me to get about habits. Do a lot of every time. It's a joke gives a chair if you have the jokes about gives a chip couple. I know a little awry, okay? A lead in yet to in that respect that it take you many gigs. It takes to really find your voice two years, really think I'm dependent out of it the shows out because you've got an hour to be you got that structure. But yet but in sets. I try to also I think I was probably closest to what I am now. Then you like, maybe I should be bit more deadpan so used to one line as at one point they would shit like pro-life puns. Hey, put this. I don't know why him and then I try being a bit like edgier eleven Jackie. And it'd be like I'm gonna tell you about. I'm not lack comedian. Yeah. So for couple years pretend acting as being a comedian right instead of just being myself. Again, I've been quite looked like the thing when you when you leave drama school where that's you're selling point and yield. You can only be as you can do the best version of you know, what else can do about the new same stunned where all my stories are so personal to me that when you go up and you like, right. Well, I can talk about this being a ballerina of. View. No one else can do that. So you you're still. And that's when you find out if you got good if you can make about you fully about family, and you say that it's because it was a hobby. That's got so drastically control. Do you think is going to carry on spiraling out of control? Let me in a positive. Negative way. I told I've been so look this. Deft idea is now my living to live like a loosely life where you don't get to see me friends of time in the day. There's a lot of traveling. But you get to a stage where you can sort of pick and choose what you want to do it. The thing with is is it might do. But literally got no expectation like if Tamargo saw we've made a big mistake, you weren't meant to be stunned up. But there is going on the co-op Niro's you've got more than. Do you know where you go? I don't own anything. So I feel quite look try and keep working hard. And then ends and do something else. I think you'll realize race. Thank you so much. And another episode is donor huge things to Brennan for giving us some time in Manchester. It's interesting this comedy world shelter. I'm fascinated with Jim bur- last year when we spoke to Michael smiley, he's route into the world was was through stunned up. So I think when more comedians on this all very very different ways. So, yeah, let's do that possibly in the new year so messy. Thanks brennan. Huge. Thanks to the zipper Blat on edge straight, which is a fantastic work in space. So if Manchester you can go to the one in St. or media city, maybe you're in Liverpool under the caught one there. And all you do is you pay. Minute while you're there, and you tease coffees cake soup. Everything's that's all free. That's on tap. Don't bring lunch with yet. That's all there to go. Saito. Check out very nice, very friendly. It's a lovely lovely spice to do some work. Zip latte at straight. Right. I'm better crack home because the some ladies, I'm a hotel room of Boston's clean this room. 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Game of Thrones' John Bradley
"Support for this podcast and the following message comes from Babbel, a language app. Learn to confidently speak in new language with affective ten to fifteen minute lessons. Choose from Spanish French and more, download the app or go to Babbel. B. A. B B E, L dot com to try it for free. Both. I with Jesse thorn is a production of maximum fund dot org and is distributed by NPR. I'm Jesse thorn. It's bullseye. John Bradley was about twenty two years old. When he got the part that changed his life. He just graduated from theater school in Manchester England. He done a little bit of theater work, but never anything on camera. He got called in front. I dish in literally his first ever, he knew it was a big deal. A new show being produced by HBO called game of thrones. And then he got the part. And by the way, we are going to talk about game of thrones, which is a show that is over. But if you haven't seen it, we might spoil some of the show for you nothing really huge. But, you know spoiler alert for time. Travellers anyway, for eight years, John played Sam. Well, Charlie Jon snow's close friend. They meet when they both joined the night's watch and the journey Sam well takes on the show is unique one in the beginning. It's clear that Sam is in cut out for the night's watch. He isn't a natural warrior. He. His heavyset and soft and awkward with a weapon he's smart. But he doesn't have a keen sense of rail politique, or the manipulation of the levers of power. He's nice little goofy. I mean, basically he's the show's nerd in on any other show, you can pretty much guess his character trajectory stays a bumbling comic sidekick. Or maybe at some point he gets killed off tragically. Or maybe, maybe, maybe somehow, he finds the warrior inside a mini learns to fight like the hound or whatever. But on game of thrones. None of that happens. The thing Sam was bullied for his kindness and his empathy. And his bookish nece turn out to be assets not liabilities. He becomes a Maistre scholar, and he plays a vital part in the battle against the debt. And by the show's last episode when all the great houses, meet to figure out the future of west rose. Sam finally has the respect of his peers or something. Close to the respect of his peers, we represent all the great houses, whomever. We choose the won't just rule over lords and ladies. May be the decision about what's best for everyone should be left to. Everyone. Maybe we should give the dogs of votes. Oh my horse. John Bradley welcome to bullseye. It's really nice to have you on the show is great to be, thanks so much. What an extraordinary achievement to be a part of and congratulations, on bringing it home. Thank you. Yeah. It's feels very strange to be one of the very few people who've been in every single season of this show. There's only a handful of his left and to, to have been in every single one of the seasons. It's a rare and, and very great privilege. Your ticket is punched for life. Now John, I, I have a friend. I have a friend, whose father in law was on Star Trek. Oh, yeah. And their original Star Trek and so since nineteen sixty five or nineteen sixty eight or whenever it was Star Trek ran, he and the other main cast members of Star Trek have just had their lives conjoined. It's like those like yours. Six best high school girlfriends that you every five years when? Somebody turns thirty you all go on a vacation together. Well, the, the fact that you I had six girlfriends in high school. Not. Well, I've opened the call so they going to know just what an eroneous some should not as on. I know what you mean describing a hypothetical group of, of young ladies, I think it would be pretty weird. Even if you did have girlfriends in high school. If you went on vacation with it'd be looking to even get six hypothetical girlfriends, go. Believe me. But there, there is something remarkable about having been through this crazy crucible of, you know, flying to Iceland, and Croatia and flying to Los Angeles to do with people that, you know, your professional life and probably personal life will be tied to forever. And here you are. You're like thirty ish. And you, you know you were in college when this started. Yeah. And I think that, that's one that that's why it makes such a unique experience for for people like me and people like kitting Emilia and maisy and Sophie and Isaac because we don't know what it's really like to be professional actors, not being this show. I think that's one of the reasons why it come into an end is to way experience for us. Because if you take people like Charles dance all Dame, Diana Rigg people like they have these amazing careers before game of thrones. And then they bring game of thrones. And then they have they'll have an amazing career after it. But with those, it's all we know and coming out the other side of it, it just fails like such a kind of stock if you'll pardon the pun, so to kind of stark difference between being in it for all those years, then, suddenly be not in it. We the last time I wasn't in game of thrones years. You say I was in college, and it was my entire twenties, which is which is a formative period in anybody's life. But to have your twenties associated with this amazing experience in these amazing people and the friends that you've made that will be your friends for life, but to suddenly be without feels like a real separations happened, and it almost feels like you're kinda start. And again, it feels that you slipped into some kind of wormhole of the show. And now you've come out of it, and you have to get used to what life is like without again, and that's going to be really weird. Has already been weird. Do you know what I it's been weird on? And it's it's been weird in ways that come was a complete surprise now, for example, just before we started this, when I was on my way to the, the, the students recall this I had to look at your Twitter feed. And, and said, you know if you've got any questions for, for John who played some well, tall young game of thrones. And moments like that we think, oh my God, I played him is already in the past tense. That, that's one of the weird things for eight years. I've been the man who plays some well Tali and then since Sunday, the tens is completely changed. I'm certainly the man who played him and it's in the past, and you can only look back on it. As something that's in the past tense and isn't of this moment is consigned to history now and you can think about it in big kind of big all consume in big kind of cosmic ways. If you like when you when you talk about how time has passed in and over the course of a lifetime and transitions that happen in your life. But sometimes it's little tiny things like that little tiny quirks of language that, you'll really just not used to that can really bring your own home. And, and yeah, I think that we are going to be having to get used to that for a while. But it's only, it's only kind of three or four days since it's being over. It's been over for for, for os as a kind of everyday experience for over a year. Now, I wrapped in almost to the day in a year ago in two thousand eighteen in the middle of may that was just one stage in a very, very long goodbye. And I've been trying to defer feel in the emotion of this goodbye because. I felt what I've wrapped on it. But we we've not been on the air yet. So I don't really have to think about it being over until we've been on the air, and then even up to last week when I was thinking, well, okay we've shown five episodes of the final season, but I'm not going to think about it being over just yet because we still have one episode to go. It's only when not besides being on the I really have to confront the idea that this thing is finished. And that was Sunday night slash Monday. And it's just been a very, very weird few days. But you just hope that in your career in your life, you just do things that bring you the same level of fulfillment, and you forge, you know, the same kind of intense friendships and you and you become part of the kind of family units that match in terms of the affection that you have free other, and the professional respect you have free jober, but that's all in the future. I don't really have any of that. You all I'm left with now is memories of a of a really wonderful and special time. And of course. The, the friendships that I made with Harrington and Hannah, Maureen Emilia Clarke, and all all of these people that have become such an important part of a very formative time of my life. I'm going to have them going forward. But the reason for his all to be friends in the structure that Berle altogether, that's kinda gone, and that's that's going to take a just into. But I think that the people were always, I was going to miss the most. And as long as you missed the people, you're kind of happy because you are in charge of how, how big a part they play in your life going forward. But yeah, the show that's, that's the pace of Nonni all history. But a pace of kind of entertainment history and is only ever going to be looked back on from now on, which is very old as I was watching the show's finale and knowing that I was going to be interviewing you in a few days, I imagined you like twenty minutes after the show ended texting. Maybe Jim Broadbent. Tax that says, like what is being an actor? Yes. X completely that, that's almost how you feel you want some kind of guidance from somebody that is actually going to be okay. And I ended up watching the final episode in a screening room in London with Amelia clock on some of her friends and Jacob Anderson who plays grey, worm, I hadn't planned on what unit with anybody, I plant them what it with my girlfriend, but in terms of getting together with people from the show, I didn't think that was going to happen. Then that was all at the very last minute. And I think it was a really good way to do in the end not just because we were watching it on a big screen and with the people, which I think, is unbeatable way to what your of entertainment, but also because there were people there who know how I'm failing, especially Amelia because he's been on ever since season wall on the same way, I have. And, and she's probably going through those failings. The I'm fading about saying goodbye to it. So just to have her there. We didn't talk about it. We, we, we didn't dissect afterwards and have a heart to her about it. We kind of knew implicitly we were both fail in the same way. And that was a great that was a great kind of support network to have at that moment in time, because nobody really understands the same unless they unless they've had something like that unless they've had a very intensive work in relationship with people like even the myself in the millionaire work together technically in the final season, somebody who's gone on that journey with you and knows what it's like to experience that kind of thing to have them nearby that very pivotal moment in your life. That was a perfect way of doing that. I think, but yeah, Jim yet, J turns out that Jim Coles, Jim Broadbent was only in it for one season. But it tends I e he wrote the whole thing. He he, he, he was responsible for right in the hole. Book. So people think, oh, within the context of the, of the fictional narrative within the context of the logic of the show. Jim wrote the whole thing, and that's such an interesting punt. People can people can sail. They want Jim Broadbent played a small Paul in season. Seven game of thrones. Be thing. No. He didn't gyms actually probably the most important character in and it's no less than he deserves. Yeah. I mean, I'd be like, hey, who wrote this? How about the guy from? Topsy turvy. Genius. Yeah. If, if there's anybody you trust to write this whole thing is Jim Broadbent, even if I did come up with the title came up with the title. Do you remember what the character breakdown was when you went to the audition to play Sam? I remember it being. I remember seeing it was the scene. I had to addition with was the scene all the way back and sees wall in psalms first episode, where some has to explain to John, what he's doing at castle black, and you get some kind of insight into SAM's childhood, and how damaged is, and what an abusive upbringing he had the hands of his father and the character breakdown to said, Siamese, overweight shy, highly intelligent and nervous. And so that breakdown is kind of a spa as is that. Character breakdown on those teams with this speech and you suddenly start to be able to make connections between the two you start to think, oh, he's nervous, but that's only because he's had this abusive upbringing, and he's highly intelligent, maybe not with that was Paul as well. And he's overweight. I, maybe that was that's a symptom in a, a product of this abusive childhood as well. And when you just have these two pieces of paper separate pieces of paper early, and hold them side by side, you start to be able to intermingle this information and start with a lot of his motives on a lot of his DNA in of his character makeup of the reasons for him being as he is. And that's the thing about great writing. I think great Ryton. Is that monologue walls all the way back and season long? You don't need an awful lot of information to be able to figure a character out as an actor is almost like a kind of. Musical score even though I don't read music all the clues of their if you think about it properly. And if you commit enough mental energy to it, you should be able to figure all of these notes, and figure out how to play it and figure out the clues for, for what's hiding behind these words and what's hiding behind these the these motivations that these characters display. And so, yeah, that was a overweight highly intelligent shy and nervous combined without speech. It's just all you need to know about some well, Tali old, well, especially all you need to know about some we'll totally when we first meet him, the journey goes on, maybe some of those well, some of those skulls, definitely he'll, and he does develop and he does, you know, draw a veil over some of those quite apparent character traits that character traits the exhibits early on. But when you first meet him, that speech, and that description is kind of all you need to know about about where he is. Psychologically, emotionally and spiritually not point. You talked a little bit on the Conan show about a speech that cone Inci you give it one of the app, it was either a wrap party or premiere party for one of the seasons of the show. One of the things that you talked about was the like remarkable feeling that you had that, you know, having spent your whole life as an overweight kid and, yeah, you know, and then overweight adolescent and young adult into your early twenties. That's a burden that you have to that you have to deal with socially and to have that be the thing that someone wanted from you. Yeah. Exactly. And how remarkable of, of a circumstantial change in your life. That was. Yeah. It's just it's just that feeling that you can't quite escape if you'll a kind of overweight child or an overweight young person that this is gonna really hold me back actually, and this is going to be something that's going to be an obstacle. And people aren't going to be interested in me because especially if you want to be an actor because, you know, the, the, the, the roles the kind of vailable for an overweight young person, there's so few and far between especially the good roles that you just think, well, I've, I've got no chance and to find that while I was thinking about myself, while I did used to lie awake in bed, sometimes thinking, God, I just wish that things were different. I wish I could wake up and just not have this way to deal with all the time. I was thinking that David, and Dan and the producers of the show were in Los Angeles, and they were looking for exactly me. They were looking for a person who was not only overweight. But also was, you know, carrying a lot of emotional baggage around as a result of that way, and was how had low self esteem issues because of it, and found it hard to engage with the world because of it and all this, these ingredients that was such a part of my makeup. Thomas japan. Osama's makeup. They, they kind of fed into each other a really kind of magical moment. And, and if I'd have known that they were looking for me, while I was thinking those things about myself, or if somebody would've told me that they were looking for me. I never would have believed it, 'cause I just though life doesn't really work like that, but they were they were looking for exactly me, and I was available, and I was ready and willing to use all of those things about myself to do a good job for them. And it's not only that. They would up with my why you know, Dame to be shawl come in, and they would accept them and they would work around them. They, they saw them as virtues. They saw them as qualities that they were looking for, and I wouldn't have been in the running for this wonderful par with so much potential to and so much life to it. If I wasn't going through these things in my personal life. And you know, I I've said the Cohen and, you know, you shouldn't kinda read YouTube comments if you can possibly help it, and you can you shouldn't read Twitter comments bull. Sometimes it's hard to resist that really. And you and you see people who say, oh, well, if I if you were upset about it just have a salad and gopher a Roman and, you know, you, you don't have to be you had the power to change if you unhappy about it, but that's probably a lot of Finn people talking. And a lot of the time. It's not just about greed and it's not just about not wanting to go for Ron all prefer in cake. To solid. It's not just about you can't necessarily make these perfectly rational informed decisions about that because because over eaten, and the emotional crutch, that comes with over eight and is just a symptom of some kind of deep, not necessarily conscious on happiness, because I thought I was I thought at the time, and I still do think that was quite happy person day today and lovely family and I great friends around me, but there's something inside you the that you consider to be empty, and you consider to be a blank that needs to be filled in and you struggle for a way of affiliate now and giving yourself, little moments of happiness, along the way and, and Lil little tiny things just to distract you from that fade in a little tiny nice moments in your day that can make you feel better and food. Is one way of doing that. And other people do with drink. I didn't drink I still don't really and I never done drugs, either. So people find different ways of filling these things a mine was food and I wasn't necessarily enjoy myself and I wasn't necessarily enjoying that lifestyle. But when it when it symbolizes somethin- and you use it as a way of treating something about yourself. You're not happy with is not just as simple as why didn't you wake up tomorrow and have a salad and go for a run. It's just something that's more ingrained in you like that. And it just takes a while to kind of break that habit. Fill all of this, all of this at the time was, was still the Sam was probably going through as a as a nervous overweight child. And I was going through as well and, you know, sometimes the stalls just aligned you'll way and, and soon times, you just get the brakes, and that was that was the big break. And that was the moment, the somebody must've been looking down on me and smiling. 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But these are real podcast listeners, not actors. And hey, thanks for coming. Here's a list of descriptors. What would you choose to describe the perfect podcast? I mean Bulgari dumb definitely dumb, and like right here this one meritless, what if I told you there was a podcast that did have all of that. No Jordan Jesse go. And it's free Georgia. Jessica. Jordan Jordan, Jesse go a real podcast. Welcome back to bullseye. I'm Jesse thorn. My guest, John, Bradley played Sam well, Charlie on game of thrones, which just wrapped up its eighth and final season last month. Samo was, of course, Jon snow's close friend and adviser. And the first guy on the show to kill a white Walker. Let's get back into our interview. Your character was the nerd hero of what might be the greatest nerd television program of all time, all, all apologies to like the who've Ian in the audience, and the trekkers and so forth. But I like it the best of all great. And I wonder what as a kid and as an adolescent, you were unduly passionate about intemperately passionate about their two things in my life that I think, ever presence really an other things kind of come and go, but there are some things in my life. The I th I know my passion will never really dimple a one of them, one of those things comedy comedy. My is, is my, my first passion really my first love and the thing that I turned to so often for comfort and escapism looking black. I think that I was watching comedy when I was a very, very young person. The I shouldn't really have been watching, like, I remember. I remember being I think, you know, five six seven years old and watching. Do you know Blackadder? Sure, yeah. We I remember what in what chain Blackadder when I was five or six years old, and that's quite that's an, an adult, you know, grown up comedy program historically said, but we lots of kind of bawdy humor about, and some sexual humor and, and the of curse in bad language. I shouldn't have been watching when I was five or six years old. I remember this love in it so much and just loving the way it made me feel. And I one of the first awakenings I had about being an actor all being a performer is all used to watch Blackadder used to watch Monty python, and Fawlty towers and, and some, some American shows while it used to watch. I used to love married with children. We used to have married with children on all the time. Ready dates this to the kind of mid nineties, and I used to watch it and think I'd love to be able to make the people feel the way they're making me feel and the other one is football. Soccer, soccer is, is something. Why? Go-to. Inexperience live and watch on. What's on television law? You know, I say that I support Manchester United on people, then say, oh, who's your favorite player from the nineteen thirty nine forty season all all kind you name the top scorer in this isn't an I don't really think about it. Like the I don't I don't engage with football. And I don't engage with sports on a intellectual kind of academic basis is not an academic subject. I connect with it purely emotionally. I don't know a lot about Premier League soccer or frankly, soccer or football in general. Yeah. Our Manchester United. I know they're one of the greatest and most famous teams of the Premier League are they good guys are bad guys. Like if you were a Yankees fan. Yeah, I could ask you are the Yankees, good guys or bad guys. And if you were honest with me would know that the Yankees are bad guys. All right. Okay. When not case Manchester. You not definitely bad guys. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. They, they're really they're really despised quite aggressively in England on in the UK, or even in the football community worldwide because they had such a pair of success in, in the nineteen ninety s where they would just winning everything in sight, and we had ceramics and who's the greatest manager. The football is ever seen. And we were just overcome in every single challenge. We when we were making history, we've a winning everything that would that we ready could win at that time, and that's not going to make people like you on the frayed. That's investors really not going to do anything for your kind of public affection being shown toward you just lately. We've had a little bit of a downturn and things aren't going our way and are other teams who are arising ahead of us, and we're not winning things every season now, but that doesn't necessarily seem to be swayed in all all. Change in people's perception of people seem to be taken a real delight in our, in our downfall at the moment, and that's easy to take when you're winning everything inside because you can console yourself with trophies and console yourself with success. But when you're not having the success that you once had, and people still vitriolic toward you on a daily basis. And the media seemed to take great delight in document in your downfall and holding you up as some kind of morality tale about, you know, this too shall pass. And you shouldn't get too smug. Because, you know, bad times, comparatively bad times round the way you think God, this and without any trophies. This really is the worst of both worlds so. Yeah. No, definitely bad guys. I mean, we have a devil on our by and on name is the Red Devils. So I probably didn't need that long. Answer to answer that question to be fair. I could've just said, no, no, no way. The Red Devils with. Definitely about guys. And that's all there is to. But I like him I like those who's to say who's to say who's who's who's a good guy and who's a bad guy. There's anti heroes in everything brings back to game thrones. I do you like doing thing where you like snap both fingers clap your hands together. And then do an expansive gesture when you said that brings us back to game of thrones like gave it a big magicians finish. No, no, no. I just I that wasn't the planet all about link. I just I just stumbled across. I'm very, very pleased with it, but in not to say the I constructed the answer without in mind would just be giving me self fall too much credit. I know that you watch the show because you've described watching the show, and I think it's a pretty good show to watch it. When it comes to shows that you're on because even the biggest stars of the show are on screen fifteen percent of the time Trulia, when the song is playing do, do you ever make up words to the song inside your head? Or sing along to the song. No, I it's such a weird kind of power Slovene reaction that I have to that fame now because I con listen to that music without associated with a certain kind of nerves the I'm going to be in this show, and I'm going to be judged on my performance in this show. And at some point I'm gonna pop up in this show and do acting in it. And the world's gonna see me doing acting in this show, and not always starts with the music. Like, like, I think I just associate the music now with being in screening rooms that we did our premier New York, this year, we've done them in, in LA in the past, and you sit in big all Dettori and auditorium with thousands of people or hundreds of people who are going to watch this episode when the music starts the entire audience erupts into some kind of frenzy of excitement and every time they do. And every time they, they scream and shout, and they applaud when they hit the star not music. Certain dread kicks in for me. The, the I think, God, I wish I was just a fan of this show. I wish I could just watch it with everybody else, and chair when it comes on and not have this sense of responsibility, all this worry that I'm going to be judge literally any minute now. So, I think I have people in it have a much different reaction to that music fills, the vast majority of the world is filled with excitement when they hit that music. But I think for os, there's just a sense of Godley we go we go on what if it goes wrong. What if this is the episode that I'm just terrible in, what if this is the episode that the world never quite forgives me for we can always see that with slightly more loaded on slightly more slightly more negatively, I guess. If you're involved in it, and you're going to be held up to the judgement of let's face it. A really quite judgmental fan base over the course of the next hour. I go throws thrones game of thrones thrown thrown throw. Inside my head an occasionally, like with my dog doing a little dance. Oh, that's nice. I'm going to think about what I, I nearly said, this is why I'm so not in the mindset of it finishing yet I said to myself, I'll think of that next time it's on. Next time he's going to be on. I, I wish we'd have done this of you eight years ago. Then every time I was nervous about I think of you dancing with your dog now little tool. He's never going to come in handy GSA. You are. I imagine get a script you know by Email or courier, whatever once every week or two during the during the time when things are filming and, and also the story of game of thrones was prescribed largely by the books for at least the first five or six years of the show. Yeah. But I wonder once that was no longer the case whether you imagined what the path, and what the end point would be for, for Sam for your guy. Well, I think I was kind of, on a similar way of thinking to a lot of the viewers into much as you, you after after a while, if you've been exposed to enough film, and TV you start to know the form and structure of it. And you start to recognize some of the kind of some of the kind of flag that you see, sometimes we can give you clues as to how things are going to win. For example, if you get somebody who is softer than most, and he's an he's likable and isn't tough. And kind of an kind of is, is kind of some soul of emotional centerpiece to the series and has a good heart. You can be forgiven for thinking if you've watched in film, and TV. Oh in your lifetime. Oh, he's clearly gonna die for emotional manipulation because you see an in so many films. You've seen the good guy die a halfway through a film. And then that gives the hair. Oh, the impetus, that he needs to carry on any kind of fights for the memory of the good guy that's died. You've seen that so many times in, you know, you kind of get used to that cliche overtime. So a lot of people could be forgiven for thinking, like I kinda was, I will some, some point in the last two seasons SAM's gonna die Jones. No is going to see that on the nuts just going to kind of empower and galvanized Jon snow to go forward and. Exacting revenge for the death of SAMA something. And I think that. To give some happy end in and to and to make some one of the very few people out to the survives of the cost of these entire eight seasons. Sometimes completely against all odds. And sometimes coming back from situations that you just imagine him ever survive in, if you take the battle of winter fell where he's just being besieged by whitewall Conly sometime has to try and fight them off somehow as to try, and find them off that isn't that isn't a situation that you'd expect some we'll talk to survive. And I think in shows the kind of much more prescribed, and much less bold and much less brave and relying more heavily on cliche. You know some a died in those moments. But the fact that he's defied the odds, and David, and Dan, the right, is that we have they've defied audience expectations by keeping him alive and keeping him alive. Not just keeping him alive to the Varian but given him a happy ending where suddenly. His opinion and his unique set of skills, and the attributes that he brings to the table suddenly they're valued and their prized. And he sits around that table with Tyrian and everybody else at the end because he's got some things of offer, and it's not that he's. He's subscribed. Sydney to some kind of toxic masculinity precedent is not that he's suddenly stopped to being nerdy, and bookish, and he's learn how to swing a sold around and he's become a great fighter. That would be a redemption story, and I think what kind of cheaper narrative landscape, rarely he suddenly becomes a great fight refines that warrior within himself, and he fulfills of those. He kinda fulfills those patriarchal stereotype, that the nobody thought he was capable of that, that would have been one way to look at it. But what you get with Siamese at the end of the show. He's valued because of the qualities that he had him all along. Suddenly, the world's call up with him before we go. There are two questions that came up on Twitter that I feel I should ask you. The first is do you even know how hot you are in terms of attractiveness? Steamy, I, I well, it's not my question but I think they mean attractiveness yet. Okay. Let's just take them mean attractiveness. Right. There's no answer. I can give her. There's going to make me sound good. Because. Because, because okay, okay, asked me the question twice asked me the question twice deal. Do you even know how hot you are? Yes, I know how hot I am. Okay. Again. Do you even know how hot you are? No, I don't even know. I am. Let's see what my triple is. I don't even know how hot I am main ninety those answers or any good, not unless I had a caveat, which is do you know how you all? Yes, I do know how I am not very that's the only way I can try and get out of it. So I'm going to say thank you very much for your compliment, whoever you all. But. No. See, I don't answer. Just thank you very much for your compliment. I imagine both. But I'm I'm going to back out of this stage, this one might have a more concrete answer. Okay. What does kit Harrington smell like it depends? At what point you catch him, really? I mean, I, I think I've been with many stages of his own tiredness, and he's own fatigue and his own, you know, he's own sense of progression through a day, if you count, Jim at the right moment, you've never smelled anything. Nice in your life. Catch him at the wrong moment. Unbelievable. You won't be smelling gels for a while, after I think, I think that's an interesting point actually about people think. Oh game of thrones. You must be such a kind of glamorous shoe and you must have such a fun time on it. The fact to them. Is that way up to our knees in modal of time in the rain in Belfast wherein leather costumes that we've? Own for ten years. We just stink. We stink so much. We, we absolve all sorts of smells into that question is always fires burning. There's always hall scissor always drop in the load all over the place. I think I've smelt as bad on game of thrones as I've ever smelled in my life and hope to smell for the rest of my life. So what does kit Harrington smell like the thing is I don't know if he's and he I should know this? He such a good friend of mine. I don't know if he's got any kind of aftershave endorsements go in at the moment, I knew a grandma could say that. I don't wanna say you like concern aftershave. He's contractually forbidden from wherein. So I'm going to say I'm gonna play safe nice down the line. I'm going to say good. A lot of the time, really not good. Some of time. Well, John, I am so grateful that you took all this time to be on bullseye and talk with me. It was it was really nice to get to talk to you and, and again, congratulations on this remarkable achievement. Ela thank you so much. No really enjoyed it. Thanks for having me. John, bradley. All of game of thrones is streaming right now on HBO now and HBO go. We've come to the end of another episode of bullseye our show is recorded at maximum fun dot org world headquarters, overlooking MacArthur park in Los Angeles, California, the lake in MacArthur park has turned green. We don't know enough about science to know why that is. So we're going to say someone dumped a bunch of food coloring into it. The show is produced by speaking into microphones. If you know why the lake is green, please don't tell us. It's more fun. 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Was in the WWE between two thousand five to two thousand eight competed at some wrestlemanias former women's champion Alicia, a women's championship match. At least. She's just from that era of divas debt, you know. You know, almost the forgotten narrowly done a c to be overlooked, especially with the way women's wrestling is going to now but she was. You know, it's easily say an integral part of the roster when she was there yet. I'm really sad by this. Thirty nine. Choose about to turn forty. As a my not that matters. But it just, of course, resonates when you see dead at thirty nine you know, it makes you think like oh God. That's yeah, I said these away from fortieth. She's a mom. She always seemed to be very active on social the only way that I recall in interacting with her is on Twitter. I don't know. I don't think I ever met Ashley, but you know she had a little bit. There was a little bit of her character in some of the characters we see today, but they didn't do the women's division right back then. Right. So her character wasn't crafted the way it should have been. But the punt girl thing that she did you ended up seeing that in other people who, then were alternately taken more seriously than Ashley was because she was a diva search winner. And the look that she had although you know, I always thought she was beautiful and. She she had an equality. She had an it quality. Her entering work was never. The top, you know, but she definitely had an equality, and always seemed really happy, go lucky on social media from everything I ever saw, like a real positive spirit just seemed like a lovely person from a distance. She really did. And when I first got back into WWE she was big. I mean, she was a really she got a pop and you know, doesn't have a ton of memorable stories or things like that. But again, that's not her who did from that. You know, she was kind of gone. She didn't last as long as Kelli. Kelli, did and Kelly Kelly was able to take a step further. You know, same with eve, you know, she just it was a time, right? Before that. Even though she was cohorts. Those people, so recipes to Ashley Massaro, I so shocking and weird to save that of all, Greg. It's one of those strange of, of the deaths, we've reported, right? It is definitely is one that just because of the hour that she's from. Like you said, she's so young and. She was starting to train to come back in that could have possibly even seen her Papa born screens again. And active in like giving a decent run right now. But yeah. Definitely is one. That is very shocking. Anyways sad, sad story. So he say rest in peace to Ashley Massaro, as you g let's get into some other things more upbeat while. No, let's are one more bit of sad news. We don't know what's going on with RIC flair. Do not. We do not. It was first reported to be very grave. He is in the hospital, then it was reportedly scheduled procedure. I can't quite tell as she g where I think this is my guess. Is it somewhere in the middle? Wha what do you think I'm leaning more towards the it was a scheduled procedure? And then that's my hope that is the one someone got a hold of the information, and you know, and it was it was big because they saw last time clear went to the hospital. The internet, went crazy, right? And I think it's one of those situations. TI RIC flair. I mean everyone loves RIC flair, but particularly because people are going to click on a headline with RIC flair's name on it. Especially when you position it this way. But yeah, I'd trust. You know, I don't know Conrad very well. But he seems to be one of the more straight shooters in this wrestling community. And also, the guy is his father in law saw trust him, when he says, it's not that serious versus you know, please respect our family's privacy at this time, which is another way he could went with it, right. That's very so that's, that's a really good point. Yes. Conrad is saying that, you know, he just went to the hospital to get right before his roast in Vegas. And that's the one I'm gonna go with an I'm gonna hope that. And let's hope that he style. And profiling at sarcastic next week, we're not. We're not my. This is the greatest moment in my life. Love the niche love that, man. Love love that I've gotten to know him over the last several years. And he's he has been since such a good place. So we're sending sending his best. And I think he's going to be all right. We need to go to one hundred. I mean, yeah, I mean listen and h loves a false finish you know what I'm saying? Right. Rick, listen tenue. I couldn't agree with you more. Happy. So as she g the biggest news outside the ring this week, I'm guessing you're gonna tell us about the Turner up fronts. Absolutely. Because we got news, officially it was speculated that Awa was going to get a television deal with Turner and Turner dropped the tweet couple of days ago. Let everybody know we have back in the wrestling business, and that Awa is going to find a home at Turner of Bleacher report is gonna be live that platform is gonna be have recovered all double in the exclusive access to double nothing. So if you wanna watch that you can get it on bleach report lab. It's also gonna go out on paper, you the price tag is going to be a little high compared to what you pay for WWE network. But I do think that AWS somehow they manage to build such a rabid fan base that people are going to pay pay that price. Sorry. I'm finishing a bite of delicious cookie here. You know that I do that sometimes during the show. Yeah. Is it at least better than that Blondie that was the list, but also failed in execution. This is. Really good. The mood of this way. If I keep having these years, I'm gonna look like. I just want to thank each. For all your. Still. Speaking of what you look like not to not to steal any thunder from the young bucks. But. In Cody and w but I saw some pictures from the celebrity game, and you look at Kanda slim these days, you, you gloat up secretly in quiet. I don't know. Shutouts to you. I don't feel that glowed up Bank. You I photographed while yesterday. Say I feel more like this on kissing babies and hugging factor. -als feel like Batista on the babies. In fact, girls, no more baby. I'm like, fat, girl, baby. Okay. Okay. I have to tell you the story at some point about this liberty game, the cici's Abacha pitch celebrity. Mr. that was bizarre. But we'll get to that because let spend a few minutes on a w before I think, all we do today as she G is breakdown. Eighty w and then breakdown money in the Bank. To me. That's the plan here. I'll try to hit the mail bag. The timing for AWS crazy. It's really crazy gray. Always see articles. WWE stock is down WWE ratings down word is triple h is frustrated. I mean, it's one story after another, what have we been like on this show. The mailbag the mailbag every week Rosenberg beats gmaiLcom the most despondent. I've heard fans in a long time when I'll tell you what is e w ever going to be the outright winner over WW eaten. No. But who the outright winner is going to be us because. WWE needs a kick in the ass right now. There's something that has been wrong for a while. It is not felt right? Not just that I'm not on TV, although that is an indicator. That's that makes it more wrong that, that is an indicator, but it's just the product, there's something's been wrong, and we keep seeing it repeatedly. So I think the timing for this, of course, I, I don't think he w listen. A w would have to still steal a lot of talent. And on top of that. We're not talking about paper views where you just have dream matches and people do and people put on great wrestling shows, you need to have a TV show. Right. Can can they deliver a TV show? And if the centerpiece of that TV show is the old into crap. Chris Jericho is that enough? I'll say this, too. At the turn of fronts. The young bucks were beware to forget what the outlet was. But they mentioned that they this strategy was, basically to sort of be the anti WWE that, you know, w does these heavily scripted promos. They're not gonna do scripted promo that all if WWE does one thing they to do the exact opposite. And I don't necessarily think. That's a viable strategy because you can't just be the anti WWE 'cause they're things the w does well, but you do have to out in one sense. Take the things that they do well, and build on it, and then take the things that they don't necessarily do so, well, and do it in a way that we all turn to Connecticut, and look at them like, how did you hundred mess this up? That Cody, I mean, that's what they've been doing with Cody, they got they got this for doing exactly that with Cody. So I think they need to be able to do that with the rest of their talent, and there should be fine. But you said that really well. Because. If you do everything opposite of WWE, that also means you're gonna fail. Because one thing WWE has done in succeed for a very, very, very long time. So right while it has not been at its absolute best right now. Let's not. Let's not go to some. Other weird place where we're acting as if the WW product is not the most successful product in the history of the business. That. So let's keep it. Let's keep it to their certain things they're doing that are not good. The storytelling recently has not been good, and that is way. That's a place for AWS step in and just blow that wide open, by the way. And by the way, guess what, that's the hardest place to do it just being honest that yet hardest thing to do. Because the wrestling talent, they have great talent. They don't have the names yet. They have some names, not enough names. But the hard part is look at the W W roster, it's ridiculous. How to this. Yeah. They just got a DJ Z. They got more talented just this past week. Who beget deejays Z, formerly known as Zima ion for wrestling fans and he signed with the NFC while he reported to the performance at he just may well be gone through the system. I but yeah, he's. At this point, if you're coming from TNA you're going to an extent. AJ's thousand walking through that door again. Okay. I mean Simone at annex t. Right. Uh-huh. AJ the only one who didn't it was AJ gals in Addison, but. Gallows was already been there on WWE. So. But annex team. There's a lot of reasons to send people to annex team part of it is to learn the business of what they do. I don't know how AJ managed to skip. It is certainly the testament to he. He ain't how. He was probably like, nah, you want me. I'm showing up at the rumble visit and guess what it worked best way with rumble, being an Orlando is the perfect place for him to try to pull that card. But I mean when you think about like the promo classes, and, you know, get used to the position to the champ, this sober people tied exceed. Actually having the viewing audience, I ivory as doing good things recently. I, I should start watching it. When's it on right now? What channels and have no idea. I know it's available on twitch. Is that a good sign that the to host of one of the bigger wrestling podcasts that talks about new wrestling doesn't know when or what it's on? Is that a good? Now. Is that a worse on for TNN for us any? Really civil respond limits Bonda she. Oh, I'm sorry. Do feel like it's a coin flip or whether it's a bad reflection on us or TNA. But at the same time, I mean, it's it says good things about the state of pro wrestling, because there's not be watching TNA or impact should say, but this so much wrestling in AWS going to step into that field and make it even more crowded. There's going to be so much good wrestling going on that. If you're fan of wrestling, you will be able to find something that appeals to you while they want to if your AWS stepping right into the second-place about. That's. Yeah. So that the line now is WWE Awa then everyone else gets in behind their I know that maybe. Hard for some. That might be a tough nut to swallow as RIC flair once said, but that's the truth. A real quick before we start getting money in the Bank, I do want to shut up the Dollar Shave Club. They have everything you need to look feel and smell your best. Plus, you never go to a store, which is amazing dollarshaveclub delivers everything right to your door. So like, right now I begin to paste I don't think about it just shows up a right razors. Boom, they just show up. So, like I always had that situation where running toothpaste, then I come home that night, and I'm like, oh, my gosh. Do I have to go to the store right now or my going to try to risk not brushing my teeth? That's a risk. I can't afford to take in my position. Dollarshaveclub though, boom, you're laced. Always common pause. You're the fresh breath. The pop toothpaste, your lit, like, for example right now. They've all these new starter set you can try and right now, if you go to dollarshaveclub dot com slash heat that's dollarshaveclub dot com slash eat. They will accu- up for five bucks at their oral care kit after that the restock ships regular size product at regular price. But right now you to five dollars starter set dollarshaveclub dot com slash heat. Go check it out, just to make us feel good. While we send positive energy out there. Let's just play this right there. You gotta be Rick flair one more time. Remember, steamboat pal. Oh, just your boots. Got up and I'll say. Right here in Nashville, Tennessee. The man Rick flair and theme. He's very good. He is an soa you because what better way to lead us, right? Into this money in the Bank conversation to be the man, you gotta beat the man in the man is not only featured on the money in the Bank posted this year. But the man Becky Lynch has two championship matches won the rest. Ric flair daughter. That's correct a home. I god. Now what do you see happening? Do you think she has two full legit matches? I certainly hope so. I certainly hope so because they will be we would be it will be so you be cheating the fans to not give them to full matches when these matches independently had two interesting builds to them, very different, but both interesting, the just because it converged on Monday with that double contract signing doesn't mean that they need to muddied up with a small in one that gets us to the other one. I think she can handle the weight of two full matches. By the way, is Vince just trying to pop me right now by really changing the rules of the wild card again. Last week was wildcard was three and this, this week, the show starts out in Kohl's like any four superstars the what? First of all three last week and six showed up. Right. He said it was three six showed up. I think he did settle on four last week. Gosh. And the on Monday night, raw. But my my issue with it is that it's the same it's the same set of superstars. Yeah. Just put them on the damn show. You need a wild yard. You know, I don't know if you need a wild card for that, like, for example, if I was to do the following. Right. If I was to do this. On. That's a while. Soom do I assumed it was going to be a repeat apparent? Dude. Your nose is bleeding. Yeah. I think it might still be believing what happened. I thought I had good seats it a game that was stuck in the four hundred. That was three days ago. They were super high up. I felt like I was somebody Everest look next time. Just go to vivid seats. Tickets are one hundred percent authentic and you can even see where your seat is before you buy. It can't believe I'm going to say this your genius. Will you welcome? I kind of am. We're on the ten minutes. Maybe we should get that Kleenex out of your nose. Hello. Is this Dipper steam could be wait? Is this someone else like a wildcard, like it's not everything could be different than eight. It'll be someone else it could be another Jewish man. What do you what do you think about? We were just we were just saying you're on the show. That last week, they said it was three wildcard. They had six. And now this week, they said it's four. Nothing. I don't even know what to say anymore, literally, I've never literally, it's funny that this is so sad to say as a thirty year law wrestling fan. But you can literally take the remote control press fast forward on the highest speed. Get the entire gist of the show. I don't even need to spas dining this up. I'm now watching you're watching you're watching it on eight times. I only go to four four you're not going to go to. Natives forget it us about. Now, now we're going to do something. Very interesting on the show here. Hold on. I'm gonna put dippers on Mutsu doesn't hear what I'm gonna do hold on while we're going to do over going to do right now is Dipper Steen prides himself on being of course, a great agent. So he always wants everyone to think that he's watching everything that's going on. I know. This man has watched a second of game of thrones. Everyone in Hollywood is talking about game of thrones. Greg, every everyone in the world is. So let's see how unmoved him now. Let's see how Dipper Stein handles faking a conversation about game of thrones. Hold on. A dip. Yes. Are you are you a what are your thoughts about the big game of thrones finale this weekend? I mean, you know, look, it's not this season is a little disappointing so far. You know. You know, I'm probably gonna have three we'll refer money in the Bank would probably gonna switch back and forth. Look, it's the I can't, you know. Look everyone is going to be talking about, right. Just excited to see what happens with the, you know, Emilia Clarke. Right. Character with the dragon. You know the whole the whole thing with the dragons. And. Who do you think ends up getting the throne the throne? You know, the older woman, you know. Bella part. Thought he could do you fell apart? What about John snow? Johnstone. A lot of people think that water cooler could be could be Oreo. Of course, I would say if there was a pie chart you would be, you know, twenty percent aria eighty percent John snow? Present one hundred percent. While you're age by good aged now which which the which the two theme songs. Do you like better? The one that was the Republic one when they go. Ma-ma made that one. They're both major. I. I love those I don't even know what to say. They're brilliant. Brilliant. Are you driving around Los Angeles listening to the theme song with your voice blasting in your guard? Not only listening, but other people in Hollywood community listening. One with major. Are we? We don't we have limited time here. Anything you wanna say about money in the Bank before we go? I'm litter and this is just a function of, like, what I enjoy what I do. The only thing I am living for right now, the own, I'm literally fast fascinating, debris, why that is the only thing I care about those the only thing I wanna see. I don't even like it that much. But at least it's something do, like, maybe did you like the joker mask thing or? No. I yes I thought it was terrifying. Greg, did you like the joker mass? It's growing on me. I didn't like it at first, like, what is this is gave me some Beetlejuice vibes? But it's growing on me. Yeah. I I've mixed feelings but I agree. It's at least interesting, it's at least different. And by the way, brazen, incredibly talented, wonderful person. So I'm glad he's on the TV. I'm listening. The only thing to look for at this point. I mean the rest is just fast forward on, on the highest speed added even know what I'm watching throw. I'm Seth Rollins and I'm a good wrestler. I'm AJ styles. And I'm good wrestler good. And that's why we're having a feud not like you. You're good. You don't like me because I'm good. Listen. Do me a favor. Stay made and enjoy the enjoy game of thrones this weekend. Okay. They're taking their is you could tell very excited as thrones. Oh my God. That was hilarious. All right. So once and for all. Who's get thrown. You know. Would it wouldn't shock me if after the events of last week, there is no throne and the? Everything just ships to went to fill. King landing is gone. I'll be surprised if the I thrown survived all of that. And it's so Santa sonza rules from winter, Phil. Right. And it's just about getting. Emilia Clarke as dip called so much respect. Mckay fehb. I mean. I mean that was the best part of the whole thing, no ever referred. Now, I've a question this is. Do you believe that if you take the name deniro's, and you add an eye, another Iowa in the middle and make her name denarius, does she instantly become a linebacker in the NFL? Probably probably probably hall of fame linebacker that Johnson across. Oh, what a stick. You know what you just did though you just made it so that it's now unisex name, you can have boys named the narrows girls named the narrates. If you love game of thrones field is wide open now you're not stuck with Jon snow or gray. Oh, no, no. You can go, you know, the boys version of Danny, and make it. Denarius. Equi. I just wanna say the same thing I said, on, on shoemakers podcast right now to all the people writing the political stories about game of thrones, who are like offended that they believe Danny's characters inherently sexist because she's out of control. And it shows that women have lost, you know, blah, blah, blah, blah. Okay, you're getting worked, bro. Yeah. And also attention all this has been her for a very long time. And by the way in one. And by the way, if she went a little extra crazy this week. Yeah, I could understand that. She, she her best friend was beheaded, one of her babies was killed in. This is all on the same day. Okay. She has lost all trust in everyone around her. Her man broke up. There doesn't wanna touch her anymore. Life is falling apart everyone. She could trust is gone. And that doesn't that's not a statement on women being week. I mean you can go throughout the story. Aria her strength is constant the entire show sons a who's gone through some of the worst issue imaginable remains completely laser focused on point. So it's you're getting worked because the character you liked and that you thought was a baby face turned out to be a he'll it's one of those moments where being a wrestling fan really pays off because we could we saw it coming, Greg. Yeah. We did. She's, she's this has been hinted that the entire time in season one she also brother, why revenge that? She goes through, and all everybody, she can offer a vent. In the one that she doesn't she threatens them she threatens to burn. Down every city that she steps foot into before getting what she wants and was specifically about king's landing she says, I'm going to take what's mine with fire and blood. And that is exactly what she did. It was cool could be rooting for. But people like all I don't understand why she would do this. She always cared about the innocence is, like, no, she, she did up until the point where she really could finally taste, not she started. Hence she started taking heads a while ago. I'm watching on the same date live right now. She's nice knife. And people upright. Love just be like Ebro Ebro. Still likes, Danny and enjoyed her. Torching the whole city, just go ahead and root for the he'll don't worry, it's a TV show, the real die hit the difference. All like went where she started knife. If people up like beheading people in burn people was after she had already felt like she was the Queen so today that, that emboldener what she built up her army and her allies. She was bold enough to go in and kill SAM's father and brother because they didn't show not. Yeah. And then look him in the face and just be like, oh, well that was the thing that had to happen. Don't tell me. She has a high audio. Do you do you know what she said to Sam after killing her killing other players? Here's this deserves mont-. Oh, I'm sorry. No. No. This is the whole scene, SAM's like. Did you kill my did you, you realize that you killed the who is the Atari? Yeah, totally totally. He's Atari you kill the tar Leigh's, you know. That's my family. I see. Uh-huh. Okay. We'll, I'm really hurt that you did that. Oh, I'm sorry. And lastly, you're hurting me. So that that's what she will. She has no claim to throw so she can't have it. Nobody can have it. That's the mod. She's in. She was bound to happen. And by the way, I'll keep it down the board. I mean. Greg. I know you're, you're we know where your biases lie. But I felt the same way about people being upset that Masan days. Head got chopped off. I'm sorry. That's how I felt about that, too. I mean you get pieces on that either. Oh, I'm sorry. The only woman of color got her head was beheaded. Everyone gets me headed. If you have every right to complain that there were not a lot of black people on game of thrones for sure. But don't make it about a Sunday getting beheaded. She's an important character. She got beheaded. It's happened over at Ed. The most important. We had it. And by the way, great were still here. He's made it to the final episode. He he did the show this week. Great guy, by the way. Jacob Anderson anyways, rally inching Brawley Ritchie, if you will, I, I would like to say. The fun. The fun version would be John reluctantly stands by generis aria kills generis takes her face and the show ends with aria taking off her face. And he thinks is alive realizes his own sister killed the narrows sonza takes the throne shows over and we out. That's what I think something that also has to happen is we got a. We gotta we gotta find out whether or not Tyrian is talk area. I think he is. And then and then by the way, Tyrian getting thrown would be fire. So I'd Tyrian still probably my favorite character all said and done. He's the only one who was who. Well, the latest all three of them the only ones who what shoot who they said. They were really the whole time I thought clearly star, I thought when he when he choked his ex girl to death. It was a bit much. Now, his his father L deserved it tie with the father of the father, the father Taiwan deserve to catcher. All right. It we gotta get through some predictions on money in the Bank. We've covered a lot of things not that. So I'm going to say that Becky will retain against lazy and give the smackdown title back to Charlotte. I think they're going back on the idea of having her have both. That's my pick. I'm gonna go. Becky Becky on this one. I feel like it'd be too soon as I settle defenses all they facial ride this Becky to belts thing at least until summer slam. All right. And as you let's jump right to the ladder matches 'cause that's alterly-. What this paper of us all about. Who do you like in the women's ladder match which we now know Alexa, bliss is not in right? Alexa bliss is of not medically cleared. Nicky cross taking place and will be in the money in the Bank ladder match that being said. I think Nikki cross is also gonna take that L in elections place that Alexa, take it. I think I'm gonna go with the Talia on this one. She's been in every money in the Bank match. Lost them all. So why not this one, right? Good point. I mentioned I shoemaker to, I could see it. I could see that happening. I'm going to go with though. Mandy rose. Of who they're interested in right now. Right. You know, and, you know, three four of the biggest players in the women's division are not available. You never know with Naomi she can always pop up and get a win that I feel that way about her and natty, and I think natty setting up a natty, Becky story will be really cool. So I I'll go Mandy roses to be different, but I like the natty call to now when it comes to the when it comes to the men, I like Sammy's alien I do, too, I did too. Just it's just about who needs it. Who is best to have a briefcase the briefcases best suited on people who have a motive have a belief, but don't necessarily have the physical means to get that championship. That's not always the way it is. Of course, many people have had it who have been capable but a lot of times, it was for Siham punk. It was for Daniel Bryan. It was for dolph Ziegler's for people. You just didn't think could get over the hump and Sammy's. Eighteen is dip pristine, said that he thinks the most interesting things Bray I think right now. Sammy's aim is the most interesting thing on TV. And I think giving him the briefcase makes him that much more interesting. I will go Sammy's in yet had you asked me this before a semi end up in the match. I'm probably going on dry or one of the smackdown competitors. But I'm going semi Sammy with the on this one, I would say second place would be Andre but I'm I'm sticking with Sammy when it comes to this. Situation. It just it makes the most sense, Andre could use it and could benefit from it and they clearly like Andre. I just think it's better suited for, for Sammy him to come walking out and dancing, sliding the whole briefcase down the ramp, laying on the ground with it. I just could see the whole thing. But listen, what do I know? But that's how I feel and you know are are there any other matches that honestly, I'm not giving KO and Kofi Alana time here. I'm sorry, that that they're quick. Yes that will be a fun match that Kofi wins. They scheduled his trip to Ghana. He's not going without the championship. You better send them the gone with that title. It doesn't make any sense. It also. Undertaker and goldburg. Oh, we didn't even talk about the Saudi shall I guess we'll talk about that next week. I'd showdown the Saudi Arabia. Do. They want the dead man to be dead for real. Yeah. I'm sorry. This match is about. Ten fifteen years, too. Undertaker's in a position right now where you need him in with someone who's completely trustworthy, not a guy all the respect over nice dude. But not a guy who in his prime was not considered to be particularly safe. It's, it's a weird choice to me, and who who's the leader that match like who's the ring general that, that works around people's limitations. Whether it's you know, I mean, take your verbally, but he can't do it physically. You wanna watch undertaker a good match in Saudi Arabia, where he looks like the man put him in with Leo rush. He'll look incredible. He rush onto throw forever. I know I know you got seriously, the shoemaker not discuss this, too. But, like even if you did undertaker's AJ styles AJ could do everything to make it awesome. You know, but I it's just this is I don't know what you're right. We'll dig more into that next week. I have to go do a radio show. We will break down more next week and Greg. I thought of a great idea, why don't we open the show with? And then use the other to close the show and showing Altro. Yeah. And if you wanna send us on if you didn't hear last week's episode I played all the drops cleanly. So if you want to go back and sample them and make your own version, feel free Rosenberg, beats gmaiLcom apologize for the short episode this week, come on. A lot of us are more into game thrones right now. This is the zone that's happening. Give us very give us one week. We're willing back wrestling. We'll be back. We'll be back. Okay. We'll break down. We'll break and this week was just frigging insane for me, but we will break it down the money in the Bank next week. And give it to you all hope you all have a great weekend. Everything's good as she g enjoy yourself. Stay made all that taking these. Professional. A little bit. Great. Wrestler history of artful. Midge.
Game of Thrones Q&A @ Comic-Con 2019
"But was it really just a game was it. I mean it didn't seem gamy to me thrones. Yes that much was clear because i saw thrones but a game per se i could see how you could say that but but the the hypothesis that i'm working from which i came up and season two's typically that you know what the show's over are and i'm not even going to debate any of this with any of you anymore okay. Let's just all agree to disagree howdy. I'm jeff goldsmith then. This is the q._a. My agenda is simple each week. I plan to bring you in-depth insight into the creative process of storytelling all right all right. Let's kiss and make up. We're all fans at the end of the day. Which is why i recorded accorded this game of thrones panel for your listening pleasure at twenty nineteen comecon as i'm sure you all already know the co creator showrunner david benef- d._b. Weiss unfortunately unfortunately cancelled appearing on this panel just a few days before the event and i hope one day we'll get to hear an interview from them about the big decisions behind ending this landmark show show while that was certainly a bummer. This was definitely a fun panel to listen to so i know you'll dig this episode and speaking of things to dig. I hope you check out the once once upon a time in hollywood issue of backstory magazine. That's right issue. Thirty eight has not only one but two quentin tarantino interviews really good in-depth. He says if i don't don't say so myself because i did actually write them and they're really in depth won his spoiler free. The other is spoiler centric. We also interviewed once upon a time in hollywood would cinematographer robert richardson editor fred raskin and music supervisor mary ramos and look there's a ton of other stuff. You'd explore an issue thirty eight so i hope you'll check out the table of contents over at backstory dot net to see what's inside remember we could be read on a desktop or laptop backstory dot net or via our ipad app or or even via google play on android tablets so thanks for checking us out and you know you can grab a single issue or at backstory dot net you could use coupon code avengers. Here's to save five dollars off a one year subscription so thanks for considering supporting my passion project and as you know i run a free screening series here in los angeles which is where most of the q._n._a. Podcast come from so if you'd like to attend the screening you could sign up at backstory dot net to get free email invites and bring a guest to acuity screening so i hope you'll take advantage of that free series and get on the list but now without any further ado let's jump right into the very packed hall h. At twenty one thousand nine hundred comecon as the head of programming eddie ebrahim takes the stage to introduce journalist james hibberd of entertainment weekly to moderate this panel about the final season of game of thrones. Even if we disagree we all do love these we do love the content that is brought to us and we do love the shows and the movies and everything that's brought to us and we want that to continue. We want more of this content because we love so just keep that in mind and just remember just remember you. You know just remember. This is a place where everyone is accepted and feels. Welcome an home so let's please thank you so with that. We are here for game of thrones. I am very very excited that h._b._o. Has decided that comic con is the place to to say farewell. This is an amazing thing for us. This is so rare and i'm very excited and let's give a big round of applause h._b._o. For this police the i do want to let you know james hibberd of entertainment. We'll we'll be the moderator for this panel and with that. I believe we have a clip. Game of thrones is the most emmy award winning scripted series of all time a global global pop culture sensation the most ambitious t._d. Production ever mounted and been coming to comecon says twenty eleven but this year is different. This year is special because for the first time all the spoilers out all the endings are known there is nothing nothing the cast cannot talk about and we're going to ask about a lot of your burning questions about the final season so give you so. I'd like for you to give a huge welcome to the final game of thrones comecon panel. We're going to bring them out right now. Aw he's an honorable man whether he likes it or not as jamie lancaster. It's nick like hoster answer while dow hey guys our new master of ships as dabo see worth. It's liam cunningham. He was commander of the unsullied as grey worm jacob anderson aw a girl has no equal as arya stark maisy williams the as our new grand maistre of the six kingdoms sam charlie. It's john bradley. I think he was master astor whispers and right all along as berries. It's called hill and finally hail to the king as brands dr isaac hempstead wright doc someone someone lift some coffee cups here indeed it's it's dornoch wine so first off congratulations relation to all of you with game of thrones being nominated for thirty two emmys this week including best supporting actor nods for nikolai and maisy single most nominates these season mtv history isaac censor your new king. Let's start with you. You know perhaps the biggest question from the start of the show was who who would end up in the iron throne and the closest answer to that question ended up being brand stark so since the finale has aired have fans reacted any differently to you. What's what's that been like for you. I mean brand was always kind of a bit of a periphery carry. It was never really involved in in the main sort of action for many seasons and all of a sudden. He's the kings so it was pretty cool. I've forced my family and friends scenario. I only as your grace so remember that everyone and in the end of the world game of thrones where the story is continuing. How do you imagine that brand stark's first couple. A couple months in office had gone. Does he accomplish though far i mean i can't imagine his government is a barrel of laughs. Get might be quite serious and i guess just to all intents and purposes west is now a surveillance states with brian aware of everything that everyone's doing so that's good. Do you think he ended up finding drove on and if so what did he do with them but a couple of sissies down back cabinet revenge. Let's see along those lines maisy as you know what do you. How do you imagine that arias various backpacking tour is going. She's out in the world thank you she's having a wonderful time like dora. The explorer explorer minus the ball but maybe she's a bob in west of restaurants might like the bulb say. It's probably a little lamar stabby than dora. I'd imagine occurred to me afterwards that she could have just asked brand. What is west of west where where would like my favorite actually like was west of west russ and it's like no one knows and then bronze that like are you kidding me and jacob. How do you imagine gray worms moved. Now i just kind of chilling on a beach at this point yeah yeah i mean i think he's just like the starting a new society like what kind of kind of vibe in in another part people keep telling. The butterflies killed him. They get there and there's poisonous butterflies. Yeah i think i think he's keeping his promise to miss sunday when he's sitting on the beach drinking pinochle ideas in protecting everyone. A colleague of mine asked me to ask the spa question. I said no. That's too savvy. I won't ask it but i'm just going to do it anyway. Do you think that he could find love again. What's the ri- on saw ah no no no way. I think that was a one time deal really yeah. You'll be miserable. What's new visible forever. You happy now okay so johnny liam. I i want to spin off where we just watched the day-to-day business of the new small counsel as they deal with like kings landing budgetary issues in property taxes. You know how do you imagine in life has been like in that new small council into relationships by now to some degree. I think one of the nice thing about that final scene. Was that the when we leave we leave them bickering amongst themselves we we we come to set up a slightly more comic space. We've davos on bush and heads all the time and sam and is trying to be the voice of reason. I i fell person. Even though i was directly involved that you want to stay with them. There's some there's so much. Drama involved in a group of people who don't like each other but they're forced to exist. He basically turns into the office basically turns into a sitcoms. It's kind of humanity in microcosm that the you think that they're all fighting towards the same aim fighting for the good but if you don't like the guy who's opposite you while you're doing that. Dan is not going to be an easy life for anybody. I think it's it's definitely a step up from what was there. I think i'm i'm not i'm not as sir pessimistic as you. I think it's i think it's wonderful thing the the group of people around the table were quite you know i thought that was a nice end to the small council on kingsland uh-huh. I'm eternally optimistic and i did mention a bit the spin off you didn't mention. I think it should be a better call. Devil's it just a suggestion dollar idea and for those who didn't quite make it to the end of the show nickel. I would argue that the end of jamie lancaster is actually not when he's buried under the red keeps rebel or even when his brother finds them but rather when brennan writes in the white book that died protecting his queen even though your characters offscreen in that moment that's kind of the real endpoint for for his character after you now at some more time has passed since from the finale. How is <hes> his end <hes> sitting with you sitting the same way that when we when when it aired and i thought it was great ending i thought it was perfect for that character's vanden in the arms of sursee. It makes sense to me. <hes> i always one. Oh that's just my opinion but i i think for me the scene with the gwendolyn christie as brienne when she when she fills in the blanks in the book was really beautiful for and i think that showed her understanding of <hes> jamie and the love of jamie and i thought it was just a beautiful scene yeah con lip we did an interview berber or w when when when you're on set and you're still in character and you're still very much in the story and that got a lot of attention. It got a lot the pickup you're you're a very candid about your feelings about the final season and being internet you know i think it kind of got some of those quotes cherry picked and and put onto other sites and kind in a push perhaps bit further than you intended kind of want to address that a bit and maybe some more time has passed. How are you feeling about the various. I don't regret starting the petition known yeah. I did an interview with e w way after we finish the show and the question was how did you feel at the time and i was very very honest that i was absolutely gutted to get so close but not make the end but then what no one it is inside your head nobody else so i i i gave i gave a very honest answer to how i felt but i put it in the context of dot was one of the risks and being in the multi-character rectors show and i thought the whole initial interview was very balanced but as you say it was picked over like <hes> wail on the beach and they took all the negative out of it and didn't put any of the positive in so for the record. I loved all my ten years on game of thrones. I started when i was fifteen. Shut your face funny and it was a life changing experience and i met wonderful people on offscreen who i work with who are beautiful inside and out and the one thing that lasts was about was the futility of conflict and the pointlessness of war and if you get one thing from not hold show take that because it doesn't work while we're on the topic of the reaction do wanna get into that a little bit because seriously didn't get her the elephants but that is the elephant in the room. You know spoke to each onset feeling everyone was expecting a certain percentage of fan upset over the final final season either because you obviously can't please everybody and also because a certain scripted things were were were pretty much intended to be divisive but i don't think anyone expected the level of of blowback that was so for whoever wants to tackle it i don't i i don't think it was look at the amount of people who are here and and we're here to thank you for watching us for all those years. We were never divisive as a cost. I didn't fight among each other. We always did our hardest work and crew for you and so we're very grateful for your phantom over the years and i think this is it's the reality rather than a sort of media. Let hate campaign. That was also really there but also remember. It's like every it was surprising. The level of i mean these absurdities online petition is of course the h._b._o. Going to change the whole thing. Yes because that's the power of the internet every season we had huge controversies and there was it's like from ned stark being killed. It was like i'm never going to watch that piece of shit show again terrible and then there was the red wedding now. Never i mean every season and i think obviously the end in a show that i mean i've just i think it's been it's been ah i'm so feel so lucky to have met so many people just here but also fans of the show and realizing that this show has brought so many people together <hes> watching loving it so obviously you comes to an end. It's going to piss you off. No matter what the end that's so annoying the and and of course but at the end of the day it's absolutely fine. I mean you know it's if you hated the ending thing if you loved it if that's great just don't call people names and you have to remember. It's it's almost a metaphor for life. It's not arriving at the end. That's that's the point of this whole. Thing was the journey and again to go back to a- all of us here in this room on the millions of fans and we read like started in the beginning of season two when it just started to create waves onto and to watch that grow and to be on the on the set when we were doing the work and the reason you guys are here because you could recognize the amount of love that we had in making this show. We and you were all on this journey together. We went just delivering something. We thought was nice our goal what are great to you we. We didn't know where it was going to go. Nobody knew how big it was going to get until all of us. Here feels absolutely blessed to have been part of it. As much as we're all finds the show we are a little bit more all huge fans of the show you have to be. It's a beautiful beautiful storytelling. I'm blessed to be a part of ah less to watch. It and i think that's it. If it's not the story you want. It doesn't make it any less knowledge. Is there anything with the benefit of hindsight that you wish had been done differently. I should have been on the throne. Isn't it obvious speaker lemes agent. Actually it's my publicist <music> speaking of endings. I wanna get into some specific burning questions about the final season for each of you actually quite excited. Ask <hes> <hes> nikolai you strongly defended jamie's choice to return to survey as exactly what his character would do based on everything that we have previously seen but if jamie had somehow survived being stabbed by your on and being covered in rubble and had not do you you think that a relationship when we were shipped brain me yes and brienne and jamie forever ever are. Are you being serious. Your your character was very much like like bit divided on that saying oh no this couldn't work because i you know i've to to morally are god where to morally different. I think he's got a lot of baggage and i think she would probably find out after a few weeks. Go no. I'm going to have to move onto someone else. Mhm complicated trauman. Yes you and tournament yeah that works for me. Scandi couple yes liam. Davos vowed to kill camila sandra and then she came back and save the day and killed herself but if she had walked off into the suicide son and instead came up to you after the battle and was like hey how do you like me now would still have been able to go through killing her in cold blood after she and just help save so many lives. Don't help patients in here this evening. It's a it's a really good question. I it was one of those things i kind of run through my own mind when you're preparing for the for for those seen and i'm not sure i mean he was described by some people as the moral compass of the peace and you never saw him killing anybody or liam described. Donald signed exactly similar. What do you think he wanted to have done it but whether or not i think is humanity was always kinda. Rose rose to the surface. I would like to think it got someone else that they would now that he's a lord. Don't forget. I got a promotion. I'm not say any more than the lord doubles. The moral compass was a bit of a stretch jacob. One of the burning questions fans had after the finale was after john snow killed the nearest widened grey worm kill l. jon snow when he discovered what he did because he was he was he was killing everybody else. I'm curious. If there is a reason you were told backchannel or reason you worked up your character as to why he didn't take out john after he confessed to killing harris good question. I think that there is like in my head. I think that maybe came a point for grey worm towards the end where it was just like enough like enough offers enough. I think that's a big reason why he kind of left was it was back. Everybody that was evident to him is dead now and you don't you just learn how to have people be fair to him and so i think he just wanted to get this is a violent place and this is not what i i want my existence to be anymore. I don't want it to be violent so i think there is it. There's a sense that he was willing for there to be a trial. He wasn't just trying to like. Kill everyone everyone anymore. I think one necessary to kill john. Snowy just doesn't want him to be live. I mean if i was john hill and grey worm walked in. I'd be like hey crazy thing. The murder dragon just killed the narrowness and took off with her who knows if they'll be back after that. Everybody in king's landing would have been down for blaming the dragon standing in their column this one. I'm pretty sure i know the answer to but it's it's one of those things i think a lot of people missed at the very least at the start of his final episode of kitchen girl tells berries that danny won't eat and he tells her to try again at supper. It's a cryptic exchange but varies as he's trying to kill easy he's. He's trying to poison danny there right his yeah. Okay james attempt sure yeah. He's he wants. He decides she's gonna kill. He's not wrong. She's she's. She's the the coin when a target rains born is going to be one side or the other and hers is come down a bit cray cray towards the end and so he i think virus new who long ago he was going to die and the last what sorcery might have said to be what she says you know when he's burned to death so i think he did all this. There was an inevitability about <hes> he knew that he couldn't get through to john snow order to <hes> tyrian because they were both in love with <hes> damaris and that blinds peoples judgments so he knew that the hot got to try any way to stop her and that it was very possibly be killed so i thought it was a cool death very dignified and i swear the dragon thought twice about it again. He goes well okay. I'm happy with that. Ah ways to get fired and that was one of the best awesome isaac you might have heard this theory going around the evil brand theory. This is the theory that bran because he knows what's going to happen kind of sat back and let deniro's crime-related towards king's landing branding and then get killed by john as a way of seizing the throne for himself and wondering what you think of that yeah well. I think brand knows per se exactly what's going to happen in the future. I don't think he's he's not a fortune teller. He's got a very good. He's got the entire tired of the past at his fingertips but i think his vision of the future is slightly cloudier so that's my excuse for why brandon say anything but i think it's quite cool that it's left side ambiguous in that you can read into red loads things where brands actually still the night king or whatever and and and you can sort of read read into situations and has branches sort of sat back and let the stocks where nor is really you know a bad guy all along and i think that's kind of what was one of the cleverest things about the ending is that it doesn't. It doesn't conclude everything very neatly. You don't have you sort of set endings in you can sit back and go right well. This happened to them and this happened to them is left totally open. The kingdom's in total disarray arias going off to start her own journey santa's. Now queen brand is brand king. It's storylines that could warn their own spin off but they don't. They're back but they're left in. It's not finish finish. There's no full stop. There's no period so it's almost as if the world game of thrones exists still somewhere in the ether which i think is quite nice. It's it's not finished conclusively. Lets you kind of read into it like with a brand theory and while we all hope you have a very long reign. Who who would you want to succeed you. Well i mean if the lifespans previous three ravens or anything to go by not going to be anyone exceeding the two thousand years so it will be no one alive at the moment. I don't know i think maybe the night kings still knocking about somewhere. He'll pop up. When brand brand is you can. You can carry a mate and save you for last in this round but i have to for you. I i is aria. Let downpour gandhari as sweetly as being could but if after she is like toured around a little bit and come back and visit saunas. Does he ever be chance. I'm i think are as always been a lone wall. I think she's always felt like a bit of misfit and her own family and i don't think being with a partner is what would make her feel the most at home or the most fulfilled so i think that was kind of walk that whole exchange was is just trying to understand that and know that isn't necessarily early what she wants which is like an important learning curve for everyone i think so they probably like see each other at a friend's wedding. Oh hey good to see you been and then they're like oh. Yeah like so good and you're like cool cool. Wait around folks. 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Go go go and he was distracting the ice dragon so are you could run in and make her move so let's settle this did are you running and kill the night king on her own or was jon snow helping her and she was doing what jon snow is telling her to do girl she did it well. If we're going to give credit to anyone then it's mela sandra mela sandra knew knew what she had to do to the mission and arias head when she's really like the lowest point i think particularly for that episode <hes> this is the first time that she's been fighting but now she has something to lose for so long she's been on her own and being back with her family has made her that much more vulnerable and i think if we're gonna put it down to anyone getting his head back on track and helping to like go and finish the the job it was mel asandra and the brown eyes blue eyes green green is is is so now that the series is over for each you. I'm wondering what is your all time. Favorite line from the show could be your character could be another character but what is your all time favorite line of so many quotable lines. Let's start with nikolai. Lyon kind of go down the line here. I my favorite was the line when we found out add y. Hotel was holder so hold the door open my favorite liam. I've been really lucky. There's so many beautiful lines and they show but the one of the favourite davos lines sounds is put your fingers in your ears. Nothing fucks you harder than time. I think that's my -nificant and and so true to me all the time on the set all the time. I'm not lying on this very obvious but volume of lewis is i i think i think it's such a very very obvious statement. Must i bought. I think it kind of encapsulates the show in a very powerful way well. I think it sounds cold. You're welcome to thank you the next i got an selfishly. Choose one of my own lines <hes> i really like <hes> not today <hes> in my own as well and and i've always liked lines of dialogue that tell a complete story outside of their own entity is the sentence when i first read the line. I always wanted to be a wizard back in season one. I just thought oh that's a funny line. I like i i. I think the more you learn about sam. The more you realize what a story that line tells about his childhood because because you're dealing with somebody who is childhood was so <hes> tough and so hard on so brutal title and unforgiven that he had to create this alternative reality for himself to exist in and he always wanted to be a wizard because he always wanted to be a something other than what he was he always just have this idea of going to bed and waking up and just and just on the some still the same or not i've not changed and i would give anything to change and those kinds of will decree it by people who find reality tough and find the body that they inhabit a tough place to inhabit so it's not just is a funny line on the surface but the more you learn about him the more you learn about your childhood his relationship to his former self and the journey that he goes on you realize that tells you everything you need to know about what he came from a more. He's grown out of out of. I think rupaul drag racers three was i would have to be from this series uh-huh i love. I love a drink and i know things definitely a fan. It wasn't one of my lines good night. Everyone the brilliant peterson glitches -tarian yeah. I drink and i know things and i think i think this is kind of one of my lines. It was originally little fingers inga's and it was in that great exchange between virus and little finger and the whole speech is brilliant but when he says chaos is a ladder that kind of sums up a lot of a lot of the the world of game of thrones and how you get ahead in it and i especially love that because i got sir repeat that back to little finger in a scene which is not after newport little finger on the back foot so that was something really fun to get to do as an actor liam you recently confessed to pilfering a bunch of game amo thrown over the year bigger than a bunch. The list includes a rocky sword a davos. This is finger bone bag. It says here money i'm assuming proper money and not actual embezzlement from the production company and anything and a hand carved stag which assumed belong to stream so you kind of took it from her too soon. I'm surprised h._b._o. Didn't shorten your fingers for this but since they did. I'm wondering if anybody else in the panel wants to confess to taking something not being given something not as a gift but taking something thing for from the production that they were not supposed to. I took the stuff they talk as well. I am my very last day on game of thrones iso. I've got to take something so i ran through the set. I was on which was actually not even a set of a film that i was doing a promotional shoot for w and i just grabbed wherever i kurds and so off suspending ten years on game of thrones i've left with a wooden spoon uh-huh very practical. I stole most of the scenes the panel without they have have to follow that me. I didn't take anything i've never taken. Can anything so weird. You can test how well people have been paying attention to the show sometimes because i keep saying i mean it's true. I've never taken anything because i have a pathological michael. Fear of getting in trouble i just can't deal with the idea being in trouble or being to blame something and then people say always exactly like somewhere in that regard anything. Have you been paying attention. Some will steal everything klepto so you don't leave anything around somewhere stolen books and swords and ruined them as well on page though he defaced box. He's nine he's he. He's not a good guy light-fingered. Some well totally stolley. He's he's still a baby well he. He stole a baby uh he's he's. He stole i didn't i didn't i didn't feel guilty either. The steelers person goats own opinion. You know what about the babies totally remember. She stole our hearts. I didn't really feel anything but i when we were doing. The scene are is taken the waves face and she's putting it back in the hall of faces aces and there's this trail of blood so is like they could do the resets release they use these little silicone like blobs blood so as it wouldn't like slips over the floor but they're just stay and i took a bunch of left them all live the bathroom of my tries. It's something wrong with you patten. Let's leave their show. We james if you wouldn't mind moving well. Let's see okay. Let's go to this one. Is there anything you were told about your characters either from the irs or from georgia martin that didn't make it into the show any sort of piece of backstory or something that you thought might happen or whatnot on one of the when we did the the fight against monse raider <hes> would stop us. I was on the back of a horse swinging a sword and we had very little time left to do it and i did these wonderful swings and kill couple of couple of soldiers and then the next season they came along and said actually he's not much of a fighter. We're going to draw and i told him and then they it spent the entire rest of the season saying how crop i was at fight so it was kind of emasculated without one and they knew it hurt. Let me so. They did it more able these guys yeah but i i did kill a couple of hours early on it was small but from the bike more so i thought i was doing marvelously. I'm not i'm not doing the re-shoot of season eight. I'm not dealing away not now. What was your one thing last time. I'm ever gonna say this dick nobles. Oh how does what they told me sorry to be so that's actually how jacob described not as character the good night everybody. I'm kidding. I'm kidding hidden love this guy okay. She chew some questions. You know i'm actually not going to ask about these options because i just feel it's been talked but what i was going to ask about was the modern hyundai water bottle great ended up on the set in the finale because that was right next to your leg. John was right what action after the finale in that photo started circulating everywhere <hes> it's it's well interesting you the question now after that whole pathological getting in trouble schtick but no i i've always been somebody who's taken a lot of you've kind of offense a lot responsibility things in a blame for things and so when i saw it even though you you know even if it was my i will say this actually. Can i just say this the i'm right handed. I've thought about this very very strongly. I'm right handed winded so if i had if i'm drinking a bottle with this hand my right hand right if i'm going to put it on the floor i oh i think i'd put it on this side of my leg right but the ball was on this size so as a conspiracy theory. I'm not trying to clear my name. Okay to forcefully but i will say that going on this side you might you might be going under i i'm. I don't think i think i've taken. I think i've taken enough blame for the name. Jacob was dead so hold on and jacob was standing up. I think a good point. I don't drink water. Yeah i just i just i when it was circulate and i was thinking oh my god. The episode has been ruined and it's all my fault. Pardon pardon me for being i. Maybe give me a costume. That's not quite so heavy v. in spain. I wouldn't need to drink another book. I think there were several stages in between that day and it being on t._v. Where that could the being gotten rid of it could have been spotted could've taken out but <hes> or the protest too much that was kind of half hidden. It was like an a half behind the chair leg like it was going to kind of have scooped back there. I only focus on telly well. I have one more question before we go to question okay. What will you miss most about playing your character not not working on the show because you always say oh the cast and crew so what will you miss most about playing the character that you played. Nikolai will all the money. Don't embarrass me here. What do i miss the most about playing jamie. It was i don't i don't know the casting crew. Yeah the gold hand god. I wish missed that golden. No it is the thing the truth is it is the people i mean i. I know you'd like to say oh it was the i don't know what you want me to say it. It really was a mess working with these guys. <hes> you know coming back every belfast the crew. That's what this is. It's <hes> it was a human the interaction that's what what we carry with us. We will always carry that with us so it was a very strange thing that there's very few jobs that you go onto. They're like hen's teeth that that everybody that's on the set is like incredibly wonderful. Other jobs like a perfect storm. We have these beautiful wards that we were handed by uh-huh jordan. David and dan and you're walking. I'm working with these crews who are incredibly quiet efficient and precise the props the costume and i there was just it was it was a kind of a magical sense off and we have these incredibly long scenes that were so write these words awards was so right for those characters and everything else and it's a very very rare that that's something that comes along that is almost feels almost faultless that feels almost gorgeous and it was just every day was a pleasure to go to work. I will just miss the elegance of it and the on working with people who are at the the absolute top of their game and i'll be very very lookie of where we come across that ever again. I don't think i could say these two in terms of our family that we've made aide making the show and it's just like the mundane things about up in the morning and hanging out in the makeup truck is is i missed that so much every day <hes> in terms of character thing i i have a very chaotic mind and i'm very can be very restless and talk to you much and on a lost everything and i don't quite panicky person and the lack sometimes for five to ten minutes during the scene. I got to be this person who saw in control of themselves in the historic socio calm and that's been really powerful. Thank for me to even just to be able to do that. That's like that's been really special. I didn't know either be able to like fall into that. <hes> quite realize that until now this far removed from it that that was really important thing for me on my head and i'm gonna miss spirit fights. I love specifying along. The same vein is that. I don't think that i'll ever be able to play a character that picks up a doctor without people going. You played r._s. So so let's so like doing all of the combat fighting and working with swords and doing something of this time periods like i'll really miss that. I don't think i'll ever do anything like that again for fear of just repeating myself so yeah that's been incredible. I've really loved it you for me. A very similar sentiments about missing people are missing that family unit and that team spirit and everything but i think in terms of plane sam specifically what i'm gonna mainly miss his char in that progress that he's made if you take a character who when he first comes into it is somebody has been told his entire life. I've said it before but he's completely the worthless. He's never going to achieve anything. He's he's never going to change the world. He's only ever going to be a passenger in a dead weight and over the course of those seasons and you see this process of of self discovery and just realizing just how much were-they has and he finishes up in a place where he's arch maistre 'and he's his opinion is valued and he's valued because of the things that make him him he's he's not had to change anything himself to become valued and i think that if you take that journey and how unlikely that would a when you first meet him and he's got no self esteem to become such a valuable part of the rule in of this kingdom then who knows what he could achieve next that journey itself is just so unlikely and i'm gonna miss char in that very very gradual oh journey from from season one too where we leave him so you know given another eight seasons he could achieve literally anything he wants and i'm gonna miss chart and the journey i think <hes> <hes> and this show began ten years into a peace process in northern ireland orland after about thirty years of conflict and i couldn't be prouder the was made in large part in the place where i was from but what i'm most most proud of is the collection of all kinds of different people young old gay straight black white male a female muslim jewish christian who all worked together so well and so <hes> productively and to the credit of my homeland and it showed you how beautiful it is there and how we can work together in peace so i invite you all to visit is it us do the game of thrones tours but most of all i wanna thank you all for watching for ten years ten years keeping vinas on tv. Thank you so much in terms of playing brand. I think in the last two seasons it was so fun and such an interesting exercise to have to be so still still and calm. It's it's actually quite strange. Things sort of eight hours a day. Sit there during takes whether all sorts of crazy things going hang on like fights gang around you and you just have to sit there and sort of observe allied. It was quite a almost sort of meditative quiet fun an experience that force you to sort of reflect but in general i think we're going to miss most about the show and i'm not just saying this because i'm going to room full of six thousand fans but but it is the fans being part of a show the people absolutely love and theorize about and draw pictures oven come somewhat with stories about you kind of take it for granted when you're in it and you forget just how many people are following what you do for a living on a daily basis this and and it's it's been such a special unique experience to be part of something that that has brought so many people joy and brought people together nikolai said and i think that's something we'll all miss so much <hes> and yeah thank you for verbs oppose the signal to wrap so that is all the time we have. I'm sorry we didn't get to get fan questions. That's my fault by the way but thank you for coming out. Thank you for coming out here for the final thrown on panel and let's get more applause for the cast of game of thrones and that's how the q._n._a. 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Let's get on with the show Sir <music> Saric Emma host of they podcasts were so do another show today because this one super special because and I and the reason is waiting okay because there s show episode and he still somehow manages to always like cut me off when I say something with Delo found machine happy one hundredth anniversary I'm so glad we're spending this together with whiskey instead of wine whiskey and one because they might get kinda real instead of wine <music> with whiskies. Yeah I feel maybe the next hundred is going to be full of whiskey will be like seventy years old still talking about dating still not married. Maybe maybe who knows happen. Obviously if I'm still single just let me travel to slamming travel spend money. No one told me that I'm doing anything wrong wrong. I give you permission to trump. Okay okay. You can do all the trouble. You want all righty so so today we're going to talk about just we're just GONNA look back at the past. I know you shouldn't dwell on the past but you know getting to one hundred is unlike other podcasts for the typical podcast lasts for like thirteen episodes or something like that yeah so it's like astronomically low good for us and we know we just kept powering through and we meddle in a great people and we had a good time right. We have met a lot of good ingrates. People okay so we'll talk about that and this you have some news yeah let me start with comic con <hes> so not a shoutout to Shannon for failing at my hopes and dreams her of her walking came through San Diego for me Grishin by the way as my best friend who lives in Santiago now that's anchorman right. He's always like Santiago to Santiago okay anyways so I told her to go walk around downtown San Diego <hes> and like finally celebrities for me and she didn't do that who who live who live who lives who live who lives in San Diego Shannon. Nobody you find celebrities 'cause they're okay because they were all their for COMECON. They were all their for common concert comic CON Theme Song. I don't think so now I don't know but <hes> anyway so basically I keep sending her means of all these celebrities that were there and she got planning means bag so it was that was kind of fun. Okay so let's start without because a lot of stuff happened so if you have net flicks you probably already know that Disney is pulling off their mall Levi's out because they're going to start their own streaming service. I don't know about the I don't know about that. You did it no but I don't know how I feel about that. Oh Yeah. I don't know how I felt that either because that's like it's is going to be something else by and pay for but you know what everyone that I must going to buy it. She's going to subscribe. I Have Hulu. I have Netflix I have H._B._O.. I have an Amazon prime really need this other one now. Am I gonNa get it and yes and who's going to pay for it. My sister me me so is there. Is there a service that you watch more than others well. It depends so 'cause I have H._B._O.. Go through prime MHM saw us prime a lot and they have free movies and then like there's certain movies that are like you watch a commercial between moving like adult care and then Hulu for like Lake handmaid's tale under his. I Yeah Ooh gossipy you know I think I think Primis to me. Prime is the best I used to use the apple store the APP store or itunes and I heard they're getting rid. I tunes or their decommissioning it or deprecating it or something now. I Have Apple Music Apple. Music is being discontinued. No I'm paying well. Well first of all teachers get a discount your teacher but you work for district sister and my teachers but they are you should jump on spotify bandwagon. I read an article. I don't know a few months ago saying that I tunes was just because they're no winning like spotify is winning Pandora which now is owned by Sirius X._M.. Pay They were winning but maybe it's changed but that's what I heard heard. Apple Music is going to so convenient for me to use apple music all its downloads to my phone. It's like every street service. I've tried using spotify old lady. They can't figure it out. Yes that is true. You're an old lady that cannot figure. It's so easy what you the thing is. You have to pay for it. Let's like another ten bucks. That's why I don't WANNA I've already paying apple music and what about it is that I can get all my family in it like in the in the family plan. You know what you can do that with spotify to are you serious. Tell me more but what are other roadblocks you're having with spotify because we will we will resolve all of that right now well because I was about to change my dad's an iphone so that he could use apple music to nope you can do there with spotify. Get going second download like albums <hes> so like Madonna's album that came out on my birthday on June fourteenth Madonna the like our favorite Madonna's like Madonna came out and I automatically downloaded it. I can do that spotify Tim. Where does it say like? Is it gonNA save like an spotify or is going to save in like my itunes it saves on your phone but but it saves in your spotify APP so you have to open up your APP and and <hes> listen that way you can download it Brad Stream it two options okay so then if I'm using my laptop and I'm on spotify and then as this album that I really like and I hit the download download button is going to automatically sink to my phone the way that it does on apple music what else keep going because I'm answering all your questions. I'm not paid by spotify by by the way I dislike spotify and everyone but Emma is yeah. I use apple music represent. Maybe I need to keep them. In business. Somehow whiskeys strong. This was strong so back to COMECON so marble announcing all of these movies. Let's see there's there's GonNa be a female doors or how do you feel about that. is she going to be as hot as who is it. It's going to be Natalie Portman do oh because it makes sense. That's because she was the wife or girlfriend or whatever what happened. was that a spoiler alert because you just pulled my dreams. I know it's on comic con. It's on the it's on the on everywhere there's pictures of her holding the UH the Thor Hammer the store have theme so I don't think so no <hes> so the Falcon in the winter soldier with Anthony Mackie and Sebastian Stan is also going to debut <hes> and so if you remember that will spoiler alert in case you have enlarged vendors and game which honestly by now like you should like. Have you been living under a rock. Get Out of Iraq Iraq. Thank you all right so at the end of the of interest and game against boiler skip like thirty weekends real quick wait never mind don't skip thirty seconds. Did you end game <hes> beat Avatar as a number one grossing yes finally because that movie was horrible. I hate it that movie so much. I was a weird to this day. I Hate Avatar. Though was I think the dumbest movie I've ever seen guys who wants to see Pocahontas. It's just Pocahontas. It wasn't polk. It was the same same story the same concept I hate it. I hated that movie so much and I fell asleep in the middle of it and then when I woke up I think I've said this before but I don't care when woke up it was the human dude goes back in his human form to Pandora right because that's where they live and the Alien Pixel little heated light eight-foot Alien Pixel Lake Ugly Ass Alien Smartly Bradley two and she was like I see and it's supposed to be like really romantic and like everybody's like crying and I'm laughing hysterically show yeah I q anyways so Burrell's spoiler alert this time but you I should've seen this by now. At the end of Endgame Chris Evans gibs <hes> the Captain America Shield to Anthony Mackie. So you know that means that Anthony Mackie's GONNA come back us you know like captain in a man. How do you feel about that? I'm okay with that. He's a little cutie. <hes> I agree yeah. He's hot who else Hawkeye is getting a series to Raila Hawkeye. I think everyone's pissed off that avengers is over and so I think marvel just needs to like really keep it going because they have a ton of fucking memento. I think they are because they are also doing a black widow movie. You know who's the hottest list Superhero Movies Scarlett Johansson more hot. A Superhero Hottest Superhero movies is it oh my gosh. I'm thinking her name wonder woman the one who played wonder woman recently yes so pretty. She has three kids or something serious my God my heart today sucked yeah and drink a lot after took after I read that she's like my dream girl. She's lost his dark hair. I mean she's strong so it'll be like hey zoric holidays and you're like what can and she's going to punch you and then be like I've sat hold it. Oh my gosh I would hold anything guys. I'll be so horny every time I saw her of like babe thus do it right now. Aw I remind theme song plays. I think this is actually kept in America's team. Many someone I was in San Diego there was we were on the beach on my last day and I was like a man that looked like Jason Momoa and I was like oh my gosh days in a lot but but it wasn't and but I was like oh my gosh looks like him thug was a surfer dude. He was long hair and he was there with his daughter so I was like tried to like not be creepy while staring but I know he's all right another cute moment. During Comic COMECON was when Lin Manuel Miranda met Kristen Bell for the first time it was the cutest thing ever because Kristen Bell wills I can total fan mode and then linneman rolex spotted her who we're talking about Linneman. Oh Maranda <music> who's kristen bell crucible. Let Him Know Miranda is Hamilton Dude. I'm so uncultured. I don't know theater okay now. Let's get to the sad part about cotton <hes> which is game of thrones. We're talking about this again. I'm still do fresco no but the skill I cannot let this go. No everyone else in the whole world has let this what you were you every every week every week every we talked about it last week but you probably said something that had to do with solid. You talked about Salsa last week. I'm sorry this show was like an important part of my life for like a blake. A ten years of my life and I don't know what else do without it. I'm not sorry it is what it is you either accept it or you leave at our figure should leave it. No you accept the VACCO still in love with take your now to no income down oh because now it's GonNa make me start crying. You guys you don't really getting geared is just the fucking show okay. It was just a lie. There's going to be like three prequels abouts whoever degrade Joyce whoever the funniest guy so anyways so of course D._N._d.. The little punks at the writers did not show up to COMECON. They're like Oh last minute. We're not going anymore. Spin it go America aalto. They're like Las Bosman ever not going anymore didn't show up and everybody was like Oh yeah it's because they knew view do they. Were going to get rents a new one fucking assholes doing. In what they did yeah there should have been an alternate ending like choosing adventure right so fun yeah or be <hes> but Mason Williams was there who plays Aria Stark Initiative. She's not the same effort she got naked is unlike your kid this weird. Everybody started like googling old. He was during that scene oldest. She looked twenty like <hes> what's going on Jamie Landis or was there Isaac Him sit right who was brand stark was there who did nothing this whole series in was just a waste character. John Bradley who played Semel Charlie who was also waste of character Jacob Anderson Gray worm armed little baby Barack Obama home still angry with Liam Cunningham Davos e worth who I loved and con with Hill who was various who are I._P.. Barris the all spoke about the Coffee Cup Gate. You know like peaks people were leaving the Coffee Cup there and then apparently Jamie like defended himself like leaving brand for Sursee and dying in her arms and how it was like the right move and everyone like started booing him. Jamie is just a camp. That's all you can say. I wish I could be Jamie. Although I would want a secondhand stink about masturbating with iron hand the use your other hand dummy you learn how to be whatever hand you have just you can adjust right gosh and then they were mad they so then eh collages Jamie Lee Minister or play. Jamie Leninists are like address the whole online petition for a remake and he's like that was absurd. He's like everybody kept saying like wouldn't it stark died and then the red wedding that we were done and then he's like he's like if you hate it if you loved it that's great thanks. I just don't call people names well. I'm still going to be no matter what because first of all sursee Lancaster Lena Hiti Demon like that see she was angry about it. She also wanted to kill her and man. That's what we should have gone. Oh okay. I'm done talking about this because I'm just getting angry done. Take a breather because I'm so like what are you watching now. Let me think I bench watched stranger things in like four days okay so like seven days those days. Whatever yeah I benched watched it? I cried a lot at the end of stranger things and I got really touched this characters and I was also mad at the ending of how it's left right now in season three and then I watched queer eye to make myself feel better and that helped a lot because you know queer eye uh-huh is just makes me happy and that's what I've been wanting. That's okay I'm watching queen of the south. We've seen that like the cartels and like Texas and Mexico. It's really good issue and handmaid's tales back on those back on back in the next but when I watched that show I feel like a dark luke evil person. I feel like just terrible. Do you feel Gretz. Do you feel regrets about being a male. No regret watching it. I feel like I'm enabling this type of TV. It's a terrible but then watch it. I like it. Well Awareness Keys Orrick. Do you feel supportive of women having power over their own reproductive rights actually don't answer that never make political yeah never mind the drought all right so let's move on to a beautiful change. That's GonNa make all of us. Happy that always brings joy in all of US actually no we're talking about handmaid's tale slimy stick to the handmaid's tale theme one so Bradley Whitford who is in <hes> handmaid's tale. He's the lieutenant my Gosh what to save commander Lawrence remember those yeah he's older guy. He married <hes> Amy. I'm GONNA say her last name wrong land decker who was also in handmaid's tale she is the adoptive mom of Hannah which is June's daughter. Oh she's the adoptive captive like mother so people also know this lady from Oh my gosh that Amazon prime show transparent the one where the dad is comes a woman and so Bradley Whitford was also on that show 'cause he was also another character in that show and it may so they met and then they were working get handmaid's tale and now they're married good for them so her ray her ray okay. Let's end end with this. No let's go to the sad one and then we'll move on with the happy when I was talking earlier. Let's go said so. Did you ever watch the secret life. The sweet life of Zaken cody know what is that it was a Disney you never want you didn't watch no. I just watched. I didn't watch anything else too old for that stuff. I was too old for it and I watched them. Oh you should not have I love the Disney channel. I liked true like that. They're channel the dare show. It wasn't that Nickelodeon for nickelodeon kidding no. I've never watched that before anyway. Go ahead well. Another twins coal sprouse was dating lily reinhard and the split after two years. They work on Riverdell together so you know why because you're in that stupid ass show. That's why they split. Maybe yeah there's probably fidelity so they were in comecon together but like they were separate <hes> they were separated on. It's it's it's being to people in show business right. It's like the whole Angelina Jolie Dan Brad Pitt thing like you can only hold it together for so long Ben Affleck and Standard Farner <hes> Mark Antony and Jaylo Jaylo and Ben Affleck P. Diddy did a list they don't last go ahead. Dali partner husband have lasted but his her husband's on the spotlight pointing with Oprah and her husband she is not married. Okay statements deadman Stegmann Stutman buddy-buddies yeah all right. Let's end what the beautiful story she don't. She's GonNa have a show again. Suppose Yeah really supposedly give me free stuff. I don't know I want free stuff but it's you know what the free stuff is about. It's about a company saying Oprah. That's promote on your show and let's give away one hundred cars okay. It has nothing to do with Oprah. It's all about marketing period. Okay anyways go ahead. Do I Care No. Am I going to say Oprah. They gave me this. Yes you personally wait. gave me this item. You know why it went totally wrong. Why do you remember the car the gave away now a pontiac yeah it was all about the Pontiac and trying to promote the Pontiac never happened? I'll people now is oprah gave away a car <hes> yeah anyways it failed on their part people having drive back to allow but I say go ahead. I Tom Hanks is going to play. Mr Rogers is playing Mr Roads Very controversial because he's a child allaster. What wasn't he who Mr Rogers? Oh I swear I swear I don't think so I- hitting me no he was not he was not getting this information from. Don't you dare accused him without any proof something something something happened. I don't think so yes fred. Rogers began his television career as a result of his being convicted of child molestations. There's articles everywhere everywhere. Child Molester will rogers this one's B._B._C.. They even call him. Child Molester Allen Rogers death was suicide B._B._C. News <hes> <hes> Girl Role testifies in child molestation trial with Mr Rogers. <hes> you just like ruin this for me. I think you this has taken a turn carrying talk about this anymore. Okay you get. I feel like I need to talk about giving you do not need sock about that. I think eventually everyone out there. Emma will get over it or maybe I'll get over it and just allow allow talk about it every week. I will never get over it. You will ever you will mark my words. I will hold on to grudges suggests. I have held onto garages that I've had to do Mrs Therapist you know what a garages kill me it. I'm okay with that. You're not it means. You're just holding onto this hate in your heart yeah and you were a prisoner thing yeah. Okay Yeah. Suit Yourself <hes> suit yourself. I'm GonNa be on the day that I get married if that every day of that day ever comes I'm I'm in like hold it a tear pro game of thrones. I'm cry about game of thrones. The day that my daughter is born or my son is bored. If I ever had kids I will cry for game of thrones okay. We all know why don't use that. There are other thrones names like little finger or something baby Barack Obama Baby Barack Obama. Yes Baby Barack Obama. I feel like you're gonNA. You're gonNA marry like either. A what is what is the last name of the man that M is going to marry. Could it be an Emma Hemsworth. They're all taken onto the and Emma Hanks Oh. He's like really old. 'em could it be an emma carry. Jim Carey now thank you could it be an Emma. Antony Mike Anthony No. I'm done okay. Let me ask you a couple of question. They all right so I'm going to ask 'em a couple of questions and she's GonNa give us her honest therapeutic or not therapeutic answer my m just give you that disc- give you give us the answer Komo Okay Ready <hes> let's go with. Let's go with an easy okay. I'm thirty eight year old female and I've been texting axeing with a guy. That's also thirty mail that I match with on Tinder for about a week or so. I suggested we have a facetime prior to meeting this weekend. which we did tonight about fifteen for about fifteen minutes? I'm not attracted. Him physically not attracted <hes>. He's not bad looking. He's just not my time. He also has a heavy regional accent. That is a turnoff for me at refinish the call he texted texted me to let me know that he was going to bed. He also asked if I found him attractive which is a weird question. What do I say question mark? I don't WanNa hurt his feelings but I don't want to waste of time either. How do I gently and kindly tell him and then I don't think we should continue to chat and thinking because you don't WanNa hurt his feelings for sure especially? Don't find him physically attractive but it's very early literally a week so it's much easier to do it but she just wants to let him down easily. You can like not talk about into say like hey you know straight face timing with you. I don't think it's this is going to work out and like I just was not interested and that's it. You don't even have to talk about how you weren't physically attractive. Evie pushes on pushes it on like the flood the flagged because he's just like that's like that's not okay that's going to hurt feelings and then he's going to become defensive and then he's going to like cuss you out or yell at you through tax or whatever and it's not going to be cool. You know what I would say. What does them of course I would not say that or maybe it would now but yeah I would say the same thing just <hes>? I don't think there is a right way to let them down. You just gotTa do it because you know what's GonNa Happen. He's GonNa text you call us facetime. He's GonNA has your facebook. He's GonNa Message on facebook. He's GonNa like kind of stock you just deal at now. Bread crumbs a switch 'cause they're just if you don't cut it off right away and he just talked to him and be cordial then he's GonNa have hope and that's all we need. We just need a little bit of hope and we will keep pursuing you. Yeah sounds pretty so that's that one more check. I'm in a position I've never been before. I am thirty four. I'm a female of hit my thirties I experienced some great successes at work. I've been doing very well for myself and and as I'm out of dating as I'm out of dating which is I feel incredibly guilty letting other people pay especially knowing that I'm probably doing much better than them. I understand the tradition of having being the man pay and how it is often a point of pride for them. So how do I navigate this of bulletin away into paying the tip offering to pay the next round etc but it seems like my dates aren't open to it. Do I just. Continued to bite the bullet. Let them pay where a more established relationship and then make a point to take turns. Yes of course yeah right yeah get over at called over it. Comb the deal. Is that like Brian. How you always says this is that yes we become more empowered? Yes we're more independent and at the same time like you guys haven't figured out like what your role is in this and so while you're figuring out yeah I'm GonNa call you when it comes to that. Let them pay and if you try to pay on the first date we might get to fight. That'd be like Hey I'm paying. Do you feel like the girl suggest like if so like yes. We'll do the dance right like we'll do the ends like. Do you want me to pay and really expecting you to say now. I'm only doing it because I feel like. Maybe you have to do the dance with you but then and then I'll thank you when he told me now <hes>. Do you think that gets a sign that the girls on attracted to you if she insists I think it can be I think it can be and then maybe we're like strong arming or away until like paying and so maybe she feels like she owes us a second date or something like that but I feel like yeah out feel like if she the yeah if she wanted to pay or maybe she's flaunting or money in in a sense but then that's the other guys can fund money too but I feel like here in Texas. The dudes has to have to pay and that's where period okay okay. So how have these one hundred episodes been free fast fast. I'm GonNa talk about like our I who episodes just as my so whenever I don't know if everyone knows the story but whenever Emon I got together this is for selfish reasons for me like I wanted to promote the podcast in the dating APP and and then I was like well maybe we should do podcasts so the first person I thought of what was Emma me right and I'm so beautiful so kind so thoughtful <hes> and you jerk and so we were in a different I always in a different apartment and it was very very small right. It was too small and we did the first episode and we're like me being sort of a perfectionist sort of like we didn't. I thought we didn't have the right technology and I didn't know what to talk about but it was kind of exciting. I was annoyed that your best friend slash. My friend was there and was this J._J.. Or J._J.. Okay and then it was R._J.. Well it was it was fun the first time because the first time you record for anyone out there who's interested didn't recording podcast I think you should I think anyone out there if they want to. They should but you you you sometimes thank you gotta run out of things to talk about but as you know in the audience we fucking talk about Shit and we just keep blabbing obviously as I ran about my game of thrones but but yeah I think it was it was a good experience the first episode I know that I was I was definitely nervous and didn't know what to say most for the most part but that's you know I'm quite anyway so that's my personality but I think it was. It was a pretty good <hes> kind of jump into this and we kind of have kept going. We've had lots of momentum while Chevron's since but then the second episode a buddy of mine came over hours came over which we started talking and he fell asleep just remember archaic sleep now. I don't remember that AH maybe this is not the right thing to do but that was our second episode <hes> also does he apologised tired no but he said that he so all we I think ever since the first episode we've been drinking wine and he was drinking wine that first night and never drinks wine. I got off to the line like okay so anyways. That was like my first memorable moment. I think just getting getting the started right. It's like a creation of of something for sure. What about you so my first one that I have was whenever your profile showed up we were playing like that tender bumble game remember what we were using and basically we're reading people's APPS or we were reading people's profiles and like like scanning scanning scanning and then you're showed up and we had a guest here so when I showed showed her like she and I started like it was Amanda Amanda no she was in our shoes in our she was an Improv Mahal Ski? Yes that's your last name but that was funny because at the time I always single and just go into town obviously guys you know me but but we were just critiquing profiles swiping left and right on people and then Emma M._f._n.. Me She found gold. Lisa found gold and wish wish to do that game again. Okay Yeah but it was fun. Yes very funny. Um I think another moment that was really cool was having Danny on the show because Danny is an established <hes> influence her and and like our biggest first biggest guest yeah right there was no but Danny Danny has she has true following she it was like five hundred thousand followers she was so kind she was funny. Yeah we buy really well with her and she was like are I guess so of course like we were nervous. I WanNa say besides cal who's that kill. I do besides Kale and Brian and and this name everybody but I think she was like to me my favorite guest because she was like so witty it was like everything was a gesture and Bam Bam and I was like oh it was like laughing. Oliver Jokes like fall in love with her. I did some of the listeners like shipping yell for a little while and now she's in as so congratulations congratulations to her. Oh sorry I'm I'm just being so but but she she was very funny and I. I wonder we were nervous. I always nervous because I guess and she made it really simple like she. He was like season natural. She honestly should have her own radio. Show podcast I mean she has a youtube show she does but I feel like she can just do this professionally or she can be like a commentator or like. I don't know whatever she could be a personally. The only on T._v. fell in love with her. I am thank you are Danny is my I love any hurt here. I guess what I think about night eight. Oh my gosh now. Please please stop please. I don't know what you're please. Stop a chap. Stop Stop Stop. What if you were going like pervy mode? Oh aren't but nobody but everything that she said was just witty and funny and it was joke so I think I I had a good time. I think you had to get them to a great guest. Yes she was great guest and then after that she had a date date and what I liked about her is like she was so genuine and she didn't like hold back right stories were just legit and she talked dating and I wonder if that date eight I wonder for responsible for that because remember she was like going on a date in the area and maybe that was a guy she eventually married really. Maybe maybe <hes> reach out NASC anyways. What do you have? Oh my gosh okay so the second one I have is whenever your Improv group came over and I made the boys play <hes> Bang. Mary Kill Kill Bang Maryvale with like superheroes and we were all it is cracking up so funny yeah yeah 'cause they were like high energy to ash. They're coming on in either next week of the week after it's GonNa be next week. Boys are coming back right. I think all of them we have to have everyone okay. We can't just have the boys okay anyways so it was high energy. It was a lot of fun. I felt a little exhausted afterwards because I feel like Margo even like my energy was dreamed and I was just like oh my gosh that's like everybody's so high energy and everybody's feeding off each other guys have all these inside jokes here. I am well. There's there's always going to be inside jokes but yeah. There's someone that I I'm kind of excited to see the boys because I have. I have issues with one of them right now who you are. You know what you did. Oh my God I didn't do it. It wasn't Zoric. Leave it at that okay. I like Ted episode too because it was fun because we haven't been onstage in a while and that was like I can't tell you guys really little puppy that we were just on fire sale were so it was it was a good time and I don't even remember remember. We talked about but it was too. I feel like it was too restrictive like if we just unleash the beast oh my gosh but it'd be it's going to be hard to control this group because it's just going to be a water bottle unlike looks great people stop talking but without like getting the equipment wet <hes> but it was a good time I feel like there's a better way this at this place to figure it out with this this but maybe people gets on the couch to. I don't know I dunno <hes> but it was a good time time a lot of fun <hes> were they my guests no but they were fine who wait wait wait. I can't tell you that yet. Oh Okay I particularly liked everyday therapy really did because Emma told me a story and she's like Oh. They're all single. Oh really now now. There are no because Whitney was with Andrew McCarthy had moved to San Antonio building one but the J._C. and J._C.. Did I realize that taller sink but I don't think it with a serious or something or maybe they had dating engage package of course but I I like liked them because <hes> J._C.. Julianne there is so like open and straightforward. That's what I like. Well a little too much apparently guys and Gals we had I spent like four hours editing that episode down and we don't we have obviously we don't shit but I liked how they were just just talking and and <hes> but they're like kind of egging each other on yes. Tell the story that time or whatever so I felt like I was I felt like I was one of the girls now once married once engaged soon to be married and I think Juliet missile single maybe she's aiding no but then he asked her out and she was with some some guy that was like two months ago. Things can change. I'll texter MOCHA took sir <hes> but she yeah there were great great personalities but they're also on a podcast called everyday therapy and so they're a little bit more serious than me but emma serious but you know like Alistair more serious than I am too. I mean we'll say shit like we'll. We'll cost. They won't cuss on that day. Were first group that cost on that show. I think you would first person on that show so happy. I'm so happy breaking records right not me <hes> yeah. I was trying to hook you up with with her. They're like I was like IGGY. Emma singly said something like that but <hes> so that was a good time. So what did you like about <hes> the therapy episode there was a lot because I'll drink drink a lot to a lot happened. I think my report yeah like and they they weren't just egging each other on they were also telling on each other to so that was very interesting too because revelation to lots of Ralph Micheals. This is going to get dramatic but it was what I liked that their their friends and so they it was kind of like just taking with a grain of salt uh-huh except for the parts we had an edit without all friends or like that I mean now also and it was pretty juicy. That one-storey was pretty juicy. Yes holding hands. Was It one other guys that one AH stating Serta holding hands someone else in the same area same area there were dating and she held his hand back because she's such to nurture. I just wanted to be too. It's just not to deny him or something but anyways I think that was good because again I think I like the episodes with lots of people and that was like high energy to that one was high energy all right. What are you got? The last one I have is way we are. We doing three every doing more. I have couple but go ahead okay so this one is anytime. I have one of my close friends on the show a doing Shannon for sure because I. I think it was like long. Overdue is she. Only know all right so the story is story is so Shannon is M._S.. Best friend and there was a podcast called the everyday eight thirty podcast yeah and they invited Shannon before Emma her best friend might invited her on her show this show and so Kale and us. We're all giving in her. Her is Emma Shit which I felt so guilty. I felt horrible like I was like stressing out about it like my anxiety was like through the ruth and I was like oh my gosh. I'm such a horrible best spread for like naughty biting her like she never speaks to me again. Over this. I can understand why but but I think the thing about Shannon is she's also this is haram rate. She's a therapist and she could well and that's different because if your best friend was not a therapist just like my best friend on Aguirre Shit like I'm not gonNA invite them because they're not this is not there type of thing right but but but Shannon the fact that Shannon was asked by a different podcast in the same city by people that she didn't well guys. I feel guilty again. Oh My Gosh Tax Like Zorro made me feel guilty again like drama yeah anyways. I don't really bad so. It was really happy when she showed up because we got to like a lot of our stuff. That's so much yeah. I also liked Amanda Amanda Hendrix. Oh yes because we've had a few Amanda is so funny. She is like on par with with Danny. Just ask funny. She has really good great stories and mazing stories and guys too bad we turn off the my ex after an hour and a half because she had more to go and I will like her and Danny and Kale and the rest of the crew that we need to have them back again because we should have them together multiple people oh my gosh not just one guess thing out loud okay should have all of them back and it will be a night to remember Amanda was yeah. I loved Amanda because she and I will message each other stories like yes. She's hilarious. I wonder because she's just I think she was on a tier two like she was. She was dating a lot of people <hes> and <music>. I don't know where I don't know if you've kept up with her but my other one was when we had <hes> Cindy and Mondo from cash ah from Gosh but where do they call it the cocoa on yeah because Cindy shared a little too much and it was really funny like to have Mondo be like I'm learning so much about my wife if things that I had forgotten about and it was kinda like their spark just like lit again it wasn't it wasn't that it was an lead. It was just like briefly spoke to even more you know what happens is what you and I get a couple yeah stage here. You go therapeutic anxious. Go deep fucking questions like the last time you guys had just like really deep questions but then they keep talking like they don't they don't shut outside. Just keeps going and going. Oh Yeah we just go down the stretch hold. I really think that the secret to our to us like having guests feel like they can keep talking is the fact that we give them wine. That's probably but I think also we try to make the field relax. It's not like of fucking <hes> farms not like I'm judging you constantly. No no just a little bit about your after for sure where your best friends on the show her I sure yeah there are a lot of fun like anytime that can go to their events or see them or message them I do so they were a cool couple and the fact that sending up like in the same area I thought was really cool Dallas Irving Texas nice okay so we I mean one hundred episodes literally we sat and steerage at each other for like one hundred hours yeah yeah and we're still talking and more because they're episodes or even more than like an hour so so we hope that we have many more to come Yep and better guests which we we've this a hard episodes. We've had really good guests. I don't know if we can beat the people we met. I mean the thing is like Hugh. Meet these guests and several friends and some you keep in contact with some don't it's just how it is but I feel like everyone that we met was nice and you know there was a guest that we invited that never showed me not say the name but everyone else of early l. e.. For God yeah but everyone else out of the twenty thirty guests they all showed up everyone was on time and was willing to talk about things and I think we've had a great time and one of the things that we do say just for for people out there. They're like why are you guys. Editing is that we tell them to be like mindful of weather saying because we don't add it but then again like they're so relaxed with us because we're just so nice drink civil in similar halfway down with your wine. He'll fill it up again. It just keeps flowing for the guests out there that and if you do want to be guests on the show just hit us up because everyone has their own story and <hes> everyone is super interesting right everyone that we've had so far it's been interesting and yeah yeah and if if you've got a great story I've come on the show have become our friends which is amazing and incredible. Yeah which is Great Cindy. I feel like certainly knows <hes> we'd met briefly four okay you know he who person who I never say his name he and I are friends. I don't say his name on the show though Kale L. who's that what's wrong with you say his name please never I will never give into that does not deserve. I think they're going on between you to tell me Eddie feel about when I say not my friend I realized the fucking. I also like to Michelle because she did not just pick on me. 'cause you normally all our guests. Pick on me. Ask this question and Michelle was like no return Zoric and I was like right Michelle Kaiser my sheltie yeah okay cool. Well what else some up these one hundred episodes please. We've done some things that went really well. We've done things that did not go. Well like our Valentine's Day the door because it was just me and I need a script and I don't know how to work without Zoric. Be On the other end of the Mike. I have found. It's <hes> well. My problem is if we have an event. I'm always in like number two mode food. Yeah that's true so I'm trying to lakes. Get everyone settled and say hi to everyone and that's my issue but I think I think what we learned is like you can't have an event in record at the same time I feel like it has to be one one or the other because you know if we have an event Emma's going to focus on talking to focus on like the guest and it's just not gonNa work out so so yeah so so what I feel like I've learned in these one hundred episodes is that we can keep something going can keep talking. I almost like an hour and and <hes> yeah it's been good so I think I think everyone out there. We also found that it used to be half-and-half California in Texas but now it's it's double Texas like there's more Texan listeners than Californians and and then next is bad about San Diego. I'm sorry we have no well. Most most of the Californians are in L._A.. So people from L. A. You know Heidi you guys thanks for listening you know through these one hundred episodes and I think we have a lot of a lot of listeners in Europe and everywhere Spain. It's crazy like an Asia <hes> Mexico like it. Just it just crazy crazy. Were how people find us and people still listen show yeah well. That's all I have to say. Yes okay so it's been one hundred one hundred Thaad we'd get here. I thought it was going any so far away. It's like I feel like we it just keeps moving forward and I know that everyone out there. That was this thing earlier in in the teens. We were doing two episodes a week. Yeah yeah that's it was the problem is Emma. She's therapist fulltime and I do like tech stuff fulltime and it was hard it was hard to like keep keep topics and it was hard to record hard to record two times week right yeah and it was hard to release two times a week. I mean you do get lots more listeners that way we it was just not sustainable. I think I put my foot down on it the drill I think so if I remember correctly I put my foot down on it. Maybe you did but maybe maybe yeah I was thinking about it too. 'cause it was kind of rough rough yeah but I think what episode week is just right and I know we've been releasing like Tuesday or Wednesday but you know trying our best to keep in to keep keep that regiment today with that so don't know it's it's everything to do with you didn't make this episode by the way goes. How do I not make this episode? She ate too much steak. What happened yeah I did? It was okay all right well. Thanks for listening to stay week. I didn't Cook it. We we want to eat somewhere nice and we will talk. We'll next week. What else do you have to say any thinks? Excite you say thanks to anybody yeah. I WanNa think myself or all the work done snoop Dogg this myself or all the work that I put in and my determination for my patients with myself for my patients with us oryx what else what else keep talking no okay all right well. I just want to thank everyone for listening and I hope you continue and I feel like <hes> if you've listened if you started with one. I think you're really know us now. God like we're like friends. We're buddies. We are so drops a line since a message on instagram it don't be creepy creepy creepy with me. It's fine but not with me. <hes> drought drop us an email like like our photo cone on her photos to send us a messages and let us know what we can change for the next the next century of episodes right yeah because we will keep going until I think until someone gets married. That's what's going to happen until either. Emma gets married where I get married. You're probably going to get married well. Maybe who knows who knows what's going to happen. Who knows okay well? Thanks again for listening. It's been a F- what are you have. Oh why wanted to say that the great love debate is coming. You better say something coming back. In August August twenty eight. It's going to be in Plano Not Dallas just plano in sorry that it says Geel d- Dallas already told him that it's Plano but whatever what are you going to be doing. They're talking <hes> and drinking wine really yeah my supposed to be doing something different trying to find his theme song but I can't find. I don't think he has one why could play play the first but anyways so the great love. Debate is the number one relationship podcast in the World Yup yes so he has a tunnel listeners in a in a show that travels across the globe because I think I saw something about he was in yeah he he was like U K so check it out. If you can't Emmett will be there on stage <hes> I will be there hanging and drinking and <hes> you know maybe Johnson just kidding yeah. I'll be there and we'll have a great time so we're looking to. What is it the twenty eighth of August twenty eighth? That's a Sunday. No It's not the twenty seventh is the Saturday. Oh no the Aug goodness gracious okay who knows what's going to happen now. Okay all right. We'll check 'em out will keep unplugging that event and hopefully we can meet you guys but otherwise we have events on our <hes> meet up page so check us out. Its New the new to D._F._W.. Or if you WANNA meet some singles there's a singles group that we have but check us out. Check US out <hes> and Yeah Yeah we love to meet you so all right everyone so have a great night and day and <hes> we'll talk to you next week. Cool all right. Thanks for listening to the date podcast. Please subscribing review. If you liked what you hear send us an email mail at Shalom at date podcast dot com for any questions comments or show topics like for us to discuss follow us on facebook instagram and twitter most importantly. 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#250 - Charlie Worsham on Changing His Home State Flag + Bobby and Kurt Bardella on Country Music + Racial Injustice + Super Easy Trivia Game Show with Dustin Lynch
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We have one of these little milestones pretty cool We'll talk to Charlie worsham. Who just saw a couple of weeks ago, the grand allopathy set some real beautiful words. Love is an artist and a friend and he's trying to get to. A certain flag changed which I think interesting. Late at the very end of this podcast to I'm going to put in the audio from Breezy Trivia and by ongoing might did, but it's the the episode and we'll see how it translates. We'll put it at the very end because if you don't WanNa hear you don't have to. The weird thing is a couple of questions. The categories are picture categories so I'm gonNA limit that for now on Dustin. Lynch and Chuck Wicks or the guests, and we shot this before all the protests happened I didn't feel it was a appropriate to put it up in the middle of all the protests, instagram, stories, and and pictures and. Things as well so it just didn't feel. Fit The VIBE, but chuck Wicks in it is talking about I have some news. We'll talk about it soon that news into being that they're having a baby. And they did some fertility treatment and. I think it was. He was having issues. He's address that so when he says he has a news. The news is already out there. We just take a month ago. But. Let's get to the music news this week, so Huey. You may not know as just the name Huey, but you'll know this song right here. Maybe you will I remember it I remember yeah, two thousand six. He died at thirty one years old saw this morning. I said over to Mike and said Hey, we mentioned this. Hip, hop musician Huey famous for the song pop lock and drop. It has died at age thirty one. He was killed in a shooting and Saint Louis. Wow police say their investigation found. Another person had also been injured during the shooting. That person is expected to recover pop lock and drop. It peaked at number six on the hot one hundred, a remix featuring bowel and t pain was also released. Big For him. Are Remember sometimes. They still play like the electric cowboys of up today because it was like a hip hop head that crossed over. So you've been country. Fans felt comfortable dancing to it. So. Yeah, there's a good song. It's fun back in the day yeah. Recipes Huey. The dixie chicks. Chain chicks and you'll hear curb della coming up a little bit talking about the Lady, a story, and when I tape that with Kurt. It was pre- dixie chicks changing their name to chicks. And so. The dixie chicks have officially changed their name to the chicks? The group had long unofficially been referred to as the chicks by many fans. I never heard that I know that was part of the story, but never in my life that I hear anyone talk about chicks if they did. To my girls I saw funny tweet. It was like two thousand nineteen chicks is not acceptable. Two Thousand Twenty. dixie is not acceptable. So they said we wanna meet this moment. Hey, in good for them. If they feel like they need to do this good for them and I tell you. Some people were like well. WHAT'S THE DEAL WITH Removing Dixie it's just a part of the country, so I looked up to history of Dixie and it actually is. Tied directly to the confederacy. Like, it's we don't call the part of America. Dixie now, but it's those states. And what they were called during the confederacy. If you Google Mike Industry with the first block. They'RE GONNA make sure I'm right this Google history of Dixie. In, it'll bring up. kind of a summary of what Dixie is. Unless I grew up in Arkansas right and I never knew that Dixie was really associated with the confederacy. I, just you know. Knew all the songs, but apparently a lot of the songs that I knew the confederacy would seem as they marched in the civil war. Are you having trouble at the Internet? We have a new Internet. Put over here something struggling I'm not even connected to the Internet. What does it say he says Dixie? The southern US states, especially those the belong to the confederate states of America, so it has a direct connotation to the civil war and the south. A major part of their initiative was slavery, and so if the dixie chicks drop it and they feel like to them that they don't want. Maybe they weren't as educated on it. I. Don't know what they know and don't know so I applaud anyone for trying to make a change for the positive, even if it feels weird and clunky and. Because it is gonNA, be weird to call them the chicks on. It is going to be weird. And I struggle with that one because I've never called them the chicks where lady a lady to me, because I was just lazy, I just kind of get tired I'd Latium. GETS TIRED SO I commend to them. They definitely could have just laid low and let it pass, but they did it. Is it weird as it feel clunky? Yes. Am I always. A little proud! A little moved a little inspired by somebody who just tries to do the right thing. Even if they know, it's been uncomfortable and yeah, course I think we should all strive to do that. So, what you think about that I also think it's going to be weird to call him just. Like I can't even just say the chicks or chicks like flu NOG associate that with their music, and if you call them the D. chicks. And the. How do you feel about them? Changing their name? Yeah is not acting like a two thumbs up and everything's GonNa be Great. It's weird, but at least shows they're trying my only point to argue with people who are yelling at them is it doesn't affect you. Probably, weren't even talking about the dixie chicks in the last thirty sixty ninety days. And why bus somebody's balls? WHO's trying? To at least move a direction. They feel better. If they felt like it's not right. They can always hit your name back, yeah. So now my life, so when people in their lives trying to okay. I just feel the facebook comments and get started, so yes, it's going to be weird very and I probably won't do it right. I on dixie chicks forever. Yeah, now forever, but for a long time so today like make a point to correct people when they call dixie chicks. It's so new. I duNNo. Here are. We usually do five songs that I am am kind of excited about or or records. I'm excited about for the week so the the chicks. Well, then when I try to stop the Dixie chicks, the dixie chicks put out another new song. I'M GONNA. Put this at number six gotTA. This one's called March march. You. Know. Nine. Get Down with five. This is my kind of here dark. Female vocals. Skin, federal in the background. That's pretty cool. Yeah me, too. You know what I think I should do on the show. Just play not tell people who it is. Yeah Yeah. Because if you just say Dixie chicks even. Just bear with me. 'cause I'M GONNA struggle calling the chicks and I probably. Won't this podcast I'm going GonNa get better in life. If I just said Hey monoplace in dixie chicks people get mad anyway from what they said fifteen years ago. You know And now add this to it. You're going to have different. Little percentages feel certain ways about it. But I think if I just played that song and said Hey. We think about this matter who the artist is. I think people would dig it. I like that. here we go tough five number five this week Eric Church put out a new song called. Stick that in your country song. Is Sad just hands baby girl, Humam. Stick and you song. Get Lawn and the weird thing is church right? This didn't which I thought was really wild. You May Google back me on that just because I don't want to get ten thousand emails. I think I'm right on that, but. Yeah Church didn't write this. And you know. I thought when it was on your country song, he was going to be a little more demanding. Justice, social justice. Fight for inequality. It's still good and. Church can do this but I don't think he wrote the song. Definitely feels like an Eric Church first single though I care. If it's the radio, I love the song though like it's catchy as crap, so it's one of my top five favourite releases this week I think I was expecting a little bit more and like here. He comes Canon Ball in the water. F- everybody. But I think people are doing pretty good at putting a lot of that stuff of country songs now. That he went away and camp for a long time North Carolina and said they wrote all the songs so I thought that was probably one of them. He wrote. Any luck. Yeah, my two different guys, Jeffrey Steele and Davis Nash. Not, church. I really liked the song so. Whenever you caught me in your blog articles out there I really liked the song. I think it's a cool message I think it will inspire. Other artists look at other things to write about I. Think I just have unfair expectations of Eric Church I like your church. And I think he's one of the few people to kind of. Shake shake up the bush. I. Bush shaking though. That's number five at number four, so Lauren Elena has a song getting good, but and it had been out for a little bit, but now it's a do it with Tricia. Earwood really liked it there you go. Navy that's. Been Good Tricia. Matt's Lauren. Songs, now I live. She put Tricia on it. I think it's pretty cool. I don't know if they're still trying and radio at that I don't know if it died or not. I think it's it's still up there. I look at radio songs one two, three, four zero percent anymore, really never look at chart. I just. I! Mean, honestly, we just kind of do our own thing. For the most part. We played a few songs. We're supposed to play a few songs the morning occasionally spike something we want. But now I'm just. In so many shows cut up. Our stations cut up shows in different ways. Nighttime shows countdown shows international morning. Shows I kind of hope to do good content that our listeners like and. Agree or disagree with but. You know are are. Compelled by and that's it. I play what I love, but yeah I don't look at the charts at all. So! That's number. Four and number three Ryan heard has a new EP. You know I love Ryan heard. So every other memory. Is. The name of the project and here is his version of sunrise sunburned sunset which he wrote for Luke Bryan. Gene? Me! Who knew it was bad sabih. Doesn't it sound like when he does it? It's a little more beechy. Love Song Yeah. It's it's the styles of their voices. And when Luke things, it's more like a party song like. Let's go get somber and Party F., you know. But love above. Sound different same words. Different voice. REPEA- check out Ryan herds new EP called the memory by pepper at number two. I'm going to put bread. Eldridge has a new song called Sunday drive. Is My vibe to the in slow. Music this week. Never said we do the interesting thing about this song. I'm almost positive. Is that in Brennan writes most of his stuff? I think he found this song years and years and years and years ago when he's working the tape room at. Warner maybe. He was working in a room a mailroom. And he was taking songs and taking them to tape and making them digital. And I believe he found this song. then. It was like the chance to record it I'm going to cut it. Wow, isn't that cool? That's awesome. About. It always check his instagram. If you don't mind while I'm talking about the next one I think that he may have put that up there to. To make sure I'm right on the stuff. Number One. and. It's just a whole owl. Just a lover Lover Music. Lovers, Spirit to nil towns. The lemonade stand is her album now. This is the first song on the record called holding out for the one. It's a little fast amick for my the town that I like the most, but most people like with some sort of rhythm and beat I'm just weird. Stuff, but here you go here is holding out for the one. Just love everything about her and I think a lot of it, too. Is We toured together for a long time? And she opened for me one of the best and worst decisions I made ever as an opener. Because she would come out. And she's so good and it wasn't that she was so good. Because I do comedy, she would do music, but she would basically make everybody audience cry, because their songs are so sad and touching, and I'd have to go on. Move all laugh now. You've got to get get them like Walker Great Open for me. Because you get everything a good mood ready to go for two nil would just shut them down. They'd be. Crying until their their shirts for wet. And had to go out and night Poland from the whole, but she's so good. That's that's number one. Checkout to nils the lemonade, stand and your rank. Transferring CD's into MP threes in a basement taper universal. Pretty Cool that's awesome, and he found that Song Yeah Hey i. Let's see. It's the mother's notables Laney Wilson has a new song called Sunday best runaway June. Put out a new version of we were rich. This is a fantastic song. It's not a new song, but the version is new because Natalie stovall have on a previous episode is singing on it and playing fiddle on it just a jam anyway. Bailey Brian has called play with me and Russell Dickerson has a song called home? Sweet, so check that out as far as albums go Raila Montaigne. Has a motto vision. hyme has women in music part three, which is really bad review for that I started listening to. It was pretty good. I, like, I do too I'm not I never quite name right Heim at a time. Yeah, you know I was introduced to them because Taylor swift was hind fan back in the day I. Guess you think that's when I first heard of a man. But yeah good, we'll hoge tiny little movies. I like willing to listen to this record. And then Andy. Rally Richie who you may know as the British actor Jacob Anderson who played grey worm on game of thrones. Too many names, but I do know from grey worm. Yeah, there we go, that's that's the music. That's what's up. It's a lot happened in me, and and then you're going to hear a lot in this. This may be a long one Yeah, pretty all said and done. Cardboard Della. I Charlie worsham than Super Easy Trivia. For the first time in weeks, I'm ready to go listening music. Between bread. To kneel will hoge. Music I was checking out this kind of. We should maybe. To do a little interview with. Is that Nick Wayne? Yeah I. Think you put out a new song today to. Put out an EP I think recently. List. Maybe, it's just part of that. He but he has a song about calling his wife. And he's part of that. And if the world was ending nubile variety, his EP called American originals, which is I, guess just three songs and he's got a funny little song. Hang on, my wife's calling. which the first time he uses like in the middle of the Hay on Wye Calling. Maybe we get him off for a few minutes. Okay, next episode today. Put Out one call I love you more really. Let me see by this. Nick Wounded Oh, yeah. let's see. Weird. When did you put out this? American originals June nineteenth twenty twenty. Then, he put out more music. I Love You more twenty twenty single. Let's hear. I like it. That's all I need to know. I'll check it out all right. Check out. Check that out to get him on a next episode. Enjoyed today's podcast appreciate you guys. Check out Mike's podcast movie. Mike movie podcast I saw that. You sort of what's the best road trip? Movie? Yeah. I. Don't watch was driving. Know movies are now taking road trips. I Guess Road trip makes is number one. It's up there. It's a good one seen a long time. F-, funny! Yeah, all right enjoy. Thanks, guys appreciate you. Rate is highly if you don't mind and. We'll, see. Charlie Bobby. Did. Oh Man. Live in that twenty twenty. Sided to talk with you. Yeah, I'm sorry I talked with you, you know. We saw each other at a distance from the operator and you know you've played the opera a bunch of times. How does it play to an empty house? Will if you've been to some of my solar shows last few years, I got used to it. I'm kidding. You know. It's it. It is strange, but there it's one of those friends got a sacred to it, and so it kind of like being in a church by yourself, which is in a way comforting, but also strange at the same time is the date. July Twenty Eighth Nineteen Ninety, eight significant in your mind at all. Yes. That was the first time I stood in the opera circle. As a kid. That was thanks to Mike Nodar. WHO's a beloved opry? Remember and you know you. You kinda share. in his legacy in that he not only the decline, either, but he's a hilarious comedian, and it was thanks to him that I got to stand on that stage for the first time. You're twelve years old What? What was that? Did you drive up from Mississippi and stay like? What does the kid when you play the opry for the first time? What's that whole experience like? You know Gosh it was. It was my first taste of Applause and attention at that level, but also was this thing that had been a part of our family for so long. A great grandfather, we actually have a piece of furniture in our house here in Nashville that he built with wood from his sawmill, specifically to hold the radio and keep the cover off the old timey radio and the tools handy, so he could tweet the signal and get the opera. He was such a fan. And I I didn't go up to Nashville alone. about half months. Dang hometown came up with. We stayed at the. Marriott out there by the airport. And it still had, but it had an indoor outdoor pools, and that was also a big like. I city experience an indoor outdoor pool. You know might as woven Disneyworld I remember the first time a church camp we went to like a a Hilton with an indoor pool and I thought wow, this is like tv like this is like the rich people on TV because there was a poll underneath a roof. Right Very Beverly Hillbilly. Yeah, Yeah Yeah Yeah. I couple of things I wanted to have you on specifically. I saw you posted about the Mississippi flag which I thought was interesting. Talk a little bit about what your goal is with that message. Absolutely you know my goal is oh. Man, it's. It's emotional for me. You See my dad. In the in the mid late sixties I, mean he? He grew up. In the middle of that and Grenada. My hometown was one of the city's Dr Martin Luther King marched through my hometown, actually with Joan Baez their pictures of them and the sidewalk. There marching down. The sidewalk outside of the old hassle. And when my dad was a junior in high school, they integrated schools there. And when let out that I day there was a crowd of people waiting to be the black students. And they're repressed. A representative of the press. They're police there and they. They took the camera from the press people. They smashed the camera on the ground. They beat my that one. This one black kid that got a broken leg and how badly he was hurt and had the whip. Home. And the police didn't do, and this is not a police statement to today. I'm just saying that the climate at the time was the police there and let it happen. Nobody stood up for the black students and the black students were. Simply trying to get the same education and and the school that they had been. Relegated to to the school. My mom actually taught in in in her. Career is in it's. It was dilapidated. There's nothing in there That was Decent enough to get a decent education and and the thing about the Mississippi. Fi is is the people who've beating those students. Waving that flag. and. I'm the great great grandson of a confederate soldier. Take you to his headstone. It's a CS. They had sown I could show you the letters you wrote from the battlefield I think. He actually spent time in the war here in Tennessee. but he hated the war I mean. He hated everything about war and about that conflict, and he wasn't a wealthy man. He was a poor man, and we have this history of poor people fighting rich people's war sometimes and. and so the thing about that flag is you know one I. if anybody should be complaining to keep it, it'd be great, great, great grandson, confederate soldier, but from his letters all the way to my dad experience in high school to the fact that I really WanNa. Be I am proud of my home state. There's so much in my home state to be proud of And you know I've got friends from Texas and they they wave that flag so proudly, and I want to be able to do the same thing. I want to be able to invite my friends to Mississippi and Bruce. Those who aren't. For really all of them, but especially those who aren't white. That flag is is a scary thing, and so whatever reasons them have to keep it. To me, it just doesn't outweigh the fact that it really has been a symbol of pate for a long time and. Is it really that big of an inconvenience to let it go. We have a flag. It's called the tennis flag I. Forget the Lady's name, but That's her last name. She studied. She's an artist and study flag, design and design. This beautiful flag for Mississippi and her grandfather was a senator from Mississippi. who was a segregation so woven into that flag? Is this story of a evolving and changing and I? Think that you know starting to show that I think I think. We've got a chance here at the moment of now to really. Make the change. So have you heard anything about any sort of movement with the flag again? If you look at a flag in normal flag, shape the. You'll say the quarter. The top left corner is the confederate flag and the rest is I'm colorblind her, but blue, white and red. Right I'm assuming that okay, so have you heard anything about any any any sort of movement with this? Move the movement with US moving. Yes. V I'm terrible at remembering sports things I think SEC football. Don't quote me on this now. You're right, you're right. SEC THE NC Double A.. even I think the Mississippi Baptist Convention. which is that one really shocked people, but all these Mississippi organizations all the community colleges colleges, the Mississippi they've put out statements in solidarity for changing the flag and my dad today He's kind of semi retired and his job is to to. Work for tourism in my hometown. and He talked with all the folks who look at that and stuff, and there's a case to be made that Mississippi just simply financial sense you know, take away the emotions and the moral reasons to change it on an speaking. Mississippi loses on a lot of business because of that. Top left hand. Corner their flag. And if people want to read more about this posted a link in your instagram, where can they go or they sign, or is it the how how people actually help? Because you know, we had a pretty good audience. It's going to hear this. Absolutely appreciate you giving a voice to this. I would check out the finish flag website Let me look it up real quick. Look at while you look it up. I'll play a clip of Let's let's do. We'll start at his first song. Could it be back in two thousand thirteen peaked at number thirteen here. Are you it. Gesture. Let me know when you gotTa Charlie? We're just giving you some. Hold Music here of yourself. Okay! Okay, let us know. A. Hold Music with his own music. That's awesome. All right, go ahead. Charlie got it. It's the Clare Mississippi, which is be the L. A. R.. E. Like you're going to declare something and then Mississippi. which hopefully everybody knows song M. I. S.. S. Wait Emma emphasized. Their. DECLARE MISSISSIPPI DOT, com well, and just check it out. That's a great place to start. A love that you're so passionate about it know. You from Mississippi I'm from Arkansas, a lot of similarities in the two and especially with. upbringings in the small towns. We come from you, so you moved to Boston to go to Berklee College of Music in Boston. What was it like being a Mississippi kid going to Boston because I get to go there now on tour but I'm GonNa Dole. Not Moloto more well traveled, but as a kid I would have been like fish out of water completely. For sure. I'm lucky. My mom raised me with a great. A whole bunch of travel experiences She believes in travel is education I've do I and so I had a little experience being. My Little Mississippi pond fish out of water, or whatever, but the thing about Boston and Berkeley particular. The incredibly beautiful culture shock of it within the city with so much American history. It had its own little. Shop at the Italian market it it had tall buildings. Tallest building and Grenada was the four Story Hospital. And and best of all the. The student. Body at Berkeley is one of the most international in diverse student bodies You'll find in the country. And there was something really beautiful about that, because I connected with people from all over the world through music, and learned about South American music and African music and people from Asia people from all over the planet, and we had a chance to connect on something. We all loved that sort of felt like a universal language is one of the best things that could have done. You know it's Boston such an interesting place. You bring up a Lotta points about. And the school, but also just that city it is so multicultural and it will like. An extremely. Inclusive multicultural place so yeah. I was thinking about what I was GonNa talk to you about it because we grew up a bit similar, you're far more talented than I. Am and you're you're better at as a kid. You're doing crazy things. I was just lucky not to pay the bed when I was like nine year beginning close to play in the elementary, but. We played on on the radio show. We played a black and white. which is a Asong you invents wrote for his album because you played it at the opera, and when you played it, I was like I. Don't know this song and I know every. Charlie Worsham, Song you. Some people will call me at. Charlie worsham stand some McCall Charlie stocker. Whatever it is I'm proud. Proud of that I'm okay with that, but you've played this song and I thought I. Don't know this. What did I miss, but I looked it up. It was Vince Song I came in. We played it on. The show got a great reaction. My question is when you write this with events. Do you go ARA? who gets it or did you write it for Vince? You know the really cool thing about that day riding with him, I. I have this question. I learned to ask myself when I'm not sure. of Direction and it's simply. How's your heart? Because you know if you ask somebody how you're doing. They're always going to be like. Oh, I'm fine. They might be going through a divorce and. Lord knows what all, but that's just our programs respond, and you don't really get into the hardest thing. And I it must've been really rough. Newsday or something, and is such a thoughtful. And Compassionate Guy. And so I think I just sat down and Ackerman. How's your heart? And he's talked about? He had that phrase man. I'm just thinking about black and white, and I think for him. Someone who lived through the like my dad did he saw firsthand The the hate, but also the ability for a whole lot of people come together in unity and worked for positive change. And I think we have this This Tendency to think that things were better back win, and I think the reason for that is. Always a struggle. Being, being in a country in a community and society is always going to be trouble ups and down, but over time the really nasty parts sort of fade away, and we remembering and hold up the beautiful things, and so that's the parliament style. Jr Is I. Think and I think prevent. He just was asking himself. Questions are we? What direction are we headed in There's a great Merle haggard must've been inspiring in as well. are the good times really over for good and that day for me was really about following his lead and just trying to help. Documented as it as it happened, and it just felt. Like events on from from the minute, it's still on the page, and so it was never a thing where we we felt like fighting over it. and Lo and behold his record own. Okie is chock full phones. Just like that. I think it's where events is part in head of Ban- just. We lose them. GonNa, call him back all right. By the way we're. One Charlie, Worsham who you know, reply, read in the podcast thing there. You can follow me on Instagram at Charlie Worsham. The guy is just one of the most since theor guys as you can hear crying. He didn't even ask about that also. Just. One of the most talented musicians period in Nashville and everybody says it in the session. Players are usually the the guys that play music on albums are kind of the elite, but even they tip their hat to Charlie Worsham, so just know that he planned Banjo. When he was just a kid, junior national Banjo Championship. There's a whole long format. His career at an earlier bobby cast. You can go check that out. We're GONNA. Try to going on right now. Mike. Be Talking with them. You can also check amy podcast four things with Amy Brown. All right we're GONNA. Put them back on. As. You can tell editing this at all. I, he's backing. Area three to. Are there. Hey, Charlie, so there never was that moment where you had to declare who song it was. No, there wasn't and know. That happens a lot when you are right together but for whatever reason it just felt like it belonged to him and I was totally cool with that. I'm asking a question that. I was asked a lot a couple of years ago. Now I kind of Lead this question, but you ever think about going back home and running for any sort of office to actually make a change, or do you feel like you're music? Is your platform and that's how you're going to do it. I! Let me say bobby that I loved that. That is something that you are keeping your ear to the ground on, and I will support you all the way because I just believe in in in who you are and your integrity and character I think. For me! It's too early to know and and honestly I. Don't know that I'd want. That job. I feel like the people who do those jobs this? Don't do them because they really want the job you know. I don't know that I trust anybody that wants. It's not an easy job. If you're doing it right, yeah, I'm trying to say and I definitely listen I don't need to be in politics. One bit like I would actually make a lot less money and have a lot more work if I did. So and anybody that wants to be a career politician like not the kind of person that I would want representing me. It's exactly what you just. So I don't want to be a politician I would actually. Love to be able to affect just a bit a change because no one person goes in changes the whole, I. Mean it's culture is changed through a slow rock being pushed over a lot of time I would like to have my shot at shove that big old boulder for a few minutes like that's how I look at it absolutely. Absolutely, and and I think for me. I'm I'm open to anything I. Don't be expect the moment, but that doesn't mean I wouldn't. The moment call for cause. I'm with you and beautiful thing being that there are so many ways to create change to. Simply, voting is such a powerful thing and. I would be so excited to see America's percentage of voters who exercise their. Their opportunity to vote Go up there. That would make me so happy and registering voters especially. in in my home state, and and and right across the river in Arkansas you saw a lot of this two in the sixties the power registering people to vote and barely fifty years ago. That cost people their lives when you talk about Mega Evers and making sure Chaney and Goodman. Three civil rights workers in Philadelphia Mississippi. there was a guy named Burn Damer have house was firebombed by the KKK because he was trying to register voters. And The vote is a powerful thing. A lot of people have sacrificed That right. monoploy couple Charlie. Things because I think if you're not under Charlie yet. You should be YouTube dot com slash Charlie worsham. He's doing a whole series. You're forming on your bathroom floor your bathroom. Is it just sound better and they're singing on the toilet of what? The funny thing is so much of the house is taking over with US equipment that I felt like the guest bathroom was a safe place in quarantine at that. Nobody else would need that room for that purpose, so I could leave everything set up, and that's sort of the accident that became laughing Lou he's. Part, of the summer, stay on Wednesday July first at six five central. You can tune into CMA's Youtube and facebook. If you want to check that out. Here's Charlie laid a single I. Hope I'm stoned when Jesus takes me home. Stall! Gene, sticks. Through them cloud. Don't have the. Number of Kids today's. Stall Jesus. Let me. Ask you going to cut your hair or is this the new thing just going? Be You know Long Charlie now? Long hair for the foreseeable future. I'm sort of embracing it. Looks Good on you I wish I could pull it off. Our just not mind gets curly though it looks like I, get a perm when I grow. My hair is years looks good long. We'll. We'll thank you. Don't know how long I'll be able to keep it going to. Embrace it all again. Check out his instagram at Charlie worsham. Charlie good to talk to you. My friend, you know if you ever need anything, personal or professional, just a phone call away or or letter away like to write letters or letter away just may take a little longer to get back to you if you write a letter. Okay, that's fair all right. So much I Charlie Charlie worsham. Thanks Charlie, see about Freeman. Because I. Don't want to be stuck. Wearing my old outdated glasses because I want to wake up and just be able to see because enough is enough at the center. We've heard it all all the reasons why it's time for over the past thirty years. The center has helped. Tens of thousands of people realize the freedom lacy provides now is the time for Lasik with twenty percent off limited time with one of. 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Keep going there so many as they talk about cherished memories and traditions, their family mills. Obviously, they're still thinking about those. I am to their favorite places to eat out on the road tune episode one said talks to country musician Jake Owen about macaroni croquettes i. don't even know what that means, but I gotTA. Check it out growing up in Florida and the story behind it hits own homemade. Biscuits in jam on Iheart Apple podcasts wherever you find your favorite podcast. On now with cardboard L. Kirk. Hey Bobby. How's it going? Pay Pretty Good I was T, because I read your article in USA, today was really interesting article by the way. How did you get to write in? USA Today like who do you know? How does you work your way up to death slot? So I have this completely dual life where one of me is, the country's excited me and the other is I'm a political commentator and I write for USA Today generally political facing calls about things going on in the country, and it just so happens that everything kind of came together, and both my world's merged and My editor had seen me talk about the lady thing on on the news. And there was more there to right and asked if I wanted pen something about it, knowing my interest and background and country music and I was very happy to have that opportunity well. Let's talk about lady for a second because you definitely talked about this article. Just give me your thoughts on what used to be lady antebellum rebranding themselves officially as lay I thought that it was a very brave and courageous positive step for them to take to go through that self reflection self evaluation, talking to different people in their own social circle, about the the meaning of antebellum and what that says and I thought what they put out with incredibly sincere and honest, taking responsibility for that not making any excuses. Just saying you know we're making this change, and and if anyone ever felt you know upset. Upset or hurt or distance from our music, because of Our Name Stari and we want to invite you to take another look at us. and I thought it was an extraordinary thing especially at the time, and you know this as well as anybody you know your. Your name is your brand. You know it's who you are. It's your professional identity, especially in entertainment, and to and to make a change like that and do it in a very public facing way. is I think an incredible thing and something that I wish. More people would approach the world where that lady eight, they'd be willing to change being willing to have that self assessment and self reflection, and to and to try to be a positive agent for change to things that I can speak on a little bit is one I know that they had wanted to change their name before this for for the same reason, but before this instance of. Large scale. Seeking of social justice like before this happened, they had already. According to my sources been talking about changing the name, and and so, it was already on their mind, they didn't I feel. They didn't just see something and make us super snap reaction. I felt like it was something already weighing on them. and. It was finally the. Hey, we. We've been talking about it. We WanNa do it. Let's just do it right, so I felt like that happened. In that way, the other thing is they could have easily just slowly said. We're just going to go to lady a like. Don't put it anymore. You know nothing official. We're just going to be lady, but they didn't and there was a real bravery attached to. Bravery in the sense of you, talking about brand, right isn't not like going to fight and war so. Those, but the real bravery for their everyday life to go and post that publicly and say why they were doing it when they did it. What do you think about that? I think you're right. I, I do think that just the way in which they were able to talk about it, so I think articulately, and sincerely. That told me that wasn't a a snap judge bent a reaction to current events. I think there was a lot of thought. Clearly they have been thinking and talking about this long before the incidents of the past few weeks just by the tone and tenor that they took. That's something you can put together and twenty four hours just put out to the world You know I but the fact that they were willing to do so publicly the fact that the recent events. Was a catalyst for them to pull the trigger on this. I thought spoke volumes about their their character. Anybody who spent time with them with. Charleston Hillary. We'll tell you. They are the most genuine and sincere and kind people that you will ever come across. There's not a bone of hate in their body. And I think that what they did and how they went about doing that. You know like you said it would have been so easy to just subtly make the change overtime. wait for things to quiet down politically and in the world. But, they did it at time. We're all. Is You know we're going to be on what they were doing? where it was going to receive a tremendous amount of attention, not knowing how this would be received and they were willing to do that anyway. I think that like you said that you know that was. That's that's what leadership is in my opinion. It's not knowing how things are going to go down to Puerto, public opinion, but doing what you think is right, and being true to yourself, and you know and I was very proud ability that day. Yeah, and I'm pretty close to a couple of them Dave. Good Buds and Hillary and I are pretty close reach out to both of them privately and spoke with them a bit about that I thought it was real cool. They took that step publicly when they didn't have to. There was them like and there was a lot of angry hateful comments about them changing their name. What do you think about that you know someone who oftentimes receives a lot of a lot of hate mail for things that I'll say or write lyrically You know I think that's all just noise. I think that by and large. If you're a fan, a lady a if you connect it to songs like hello world, or or run to you and the theme messages of those songs. Your you will, you will be even proud to be a fan of their based on what they have done to turn your back on them or their music, because there is all about love and sharing and having a better world, and especially seen lady, a gross human beings and becoming parents and having families, and how that could their outlook on life If you're lady, you celebrate what they did, and and are there always going to be caters which again you know you've seen as much. Hey, from from trolls thrown at you over the course of your career, and that's just I've always thought that just noise if you have nothing better to do in your day. Day than to tweet something or or instagram comments, something that's negative and toxic Then then you really don't have a whole lot going for you, and there's no reason why I should even care about what you think you know, and that's why reached out to them. Wasn't that I had some grand knowledge of changing a name or fighting the good cause any more than I have in my own personal life, but it was hey ideal every day I deal with these folks that they don't really care, but they're just gonNA. Take a little part of their life to try to make a bigger dent into a bigger part of yours and man. That's what they do. That's they come and. The rules that I can't talk about my listeners role one. Is it hurting you or someone you know in close to if not go to rule to, and then roll to is. Is it hurting? Anybody period. If it's no move on, don't there's no need to write about? There's no need to be negative, but could just move on with your life. Do you ever watch a bad TV show and then send a note to the to the network? Show sucks. No, you just change the channel. You just go to next channel. You just click somewhere out. You don't have to listen to lady as music. If you don't love it, I'm GonNa tell you they didn't lose a single fan. You may have seen people get upset. They didn't lose a single fan they didn't. Then there's the whole instance where there was already a woman named Lady A. In, this got interesting to me. Because Lady. The Band owned the Trademark Ada, so they easily, and rightfully could have said okay. You were called Lady, but we own it like we own the intellectual name property rights. We Are Lady because years ago, we bought it. But they did it and I thought that was pretty cool. And you know I know I. There was some weirdness about it, and they got on a big zoom call because they posted about. Its things seem to be going all right. How do you feel like that thing should shake out? You know I think that again. Always trying to turn a every situation in the most positive facing they can come up with again. Leading could have easily have. Dismissed this this other this lady. You Know Blues Jazz Singer in Seattle. And instead they wanted to be a hand wanted to have a conversation. They wanted to learn her perspective everything and actually think this will come potentially some really cool fusion of basic from both of them. I think that again. This is GonNa be something that started out a little rocky. There was a lot of uncertainty how this would go and out of that that was gonna come I think creativity and partnership and community, and it's exactly what music is supposed to be. I mean it's again someone who came from a more political background. What made me country music fan? was that feeling of community in unity and positivity and energy. And you know the the the greatest parts of of my professional life over the last five years have been in the country music space, and seeing that first hand and I think that nothing Unites People Better then music and song and music allows us to express emotions that we don't know how to as individuals in in a collective way that. That helps us. He'll that helps us express especially during times like this where there's a lot of division, uncertainty and fear going around it's an it's so important to have that and with what lady is done with. This situation is I. Think they're finding a way to create something positive that all of us will be able to experience do time. Let's move off that for a second talk about award shows coming up your lover of country music as am I. The are coming up to see him as we're talking about the last quarter of the year I mean the odds. These shows happen with people in the stands are what zero percent. Where do you put Kurt? Put it at zero percent. It's going to be tough to now imagine. Because I and I think that the ACM's have already announced other okay, we may have to believe this. Maybe I'm saying what already know. We'll see Kerr. Do you know about the doing it from three different locations? Okay perfect, so it's. Great Great I can talk about it. Okay, so it's going to be from the Opera House the Reimann and the Blue Bird and they're going to have different places where the. Now let me ask you this. If you're an artist and you're nominated, do you go and sit alone possibly not to win? An ACM, let's say you're. Morgan Wallin and he's up. They have been announced, but he's best new artist new male artist. Yes, whatever do you go and sit in the Empty Opera House with like fourteen other nominees, or do you just sit home and see if you one I think that? In these circumstances I think everyone has to make the decision that they're most comfortable with for both their own health. you know this is not an easy time. Particularly in a state like Tennessee that seeing a rise in cases who knows what the situation will look like when we get to the fall, that will be something. They have to take into account you know if if I'm an artist. I gotTA. Tell Ya award show seems so trivial right now. Facing looking at what we're facing and I think there's a reason why a lot of other shows anyth- officers are are are postponing to next year. because it just doesn't seem like the right time necessarily to do something like that. I hope that the ACM's and as find a way to pull this off. That's creative That's positive. That's less about the actual awards. And more about creating a an escape for for for people like us for fans for for people in this country tune into and and experience. Music Together I love the ACM special that they did last month. Having all these artists you know film their own performances wherever they were and piecing that together I thought that was great. You know, tell you at the time where no one can go anywhere. Go to any show it's like how do you award entertainer of the year when I can go out there and entertain gray pivot question because that's my next question Kurt. I've talked about this a little bit. I'm curious because they are going to award these awards. They are going to have these shows. I'm. Lucky enough to be connected to the networks and the producers, both of them, and even leaning in a little bit to help, but they don't know which direction they're going to go. They will have the awards. I'm asking you Kurt who wins entertainer of the year. And why well you know I I look at especially during these times. You know what artists are able to do. to be creative to reach fans to you know, help us escape what we're going through right now. thinking about the CMA's because those the nations were out before this ever happened, and and and the voting for that already closed before we were in the era of social distancing. Do a certain degree, so that's going to be what it's going to be an based on a lot of. Of what we saw last year, but for the CNA's where we don't know what the nominations are I'd like them to try to get innovative a little bit. And maybe maybe you have a category for this year that what the best livestream or the best you know, social distancing show or something that acknowledges what a lot of these artists are doing I think about people like Brad Paisley. WHO has. Done a number of interesting things, having looms and concerts and beaming into vanderbilt and he's about to do this. drive through live nation tour. I think about Keith urban who played an outdoor parking lot show for Vanderbilt You know doctors and nurses. I think there's gotta be a way that that we recognize what artists are doing to try to make a difference and to try to be entertaining during these scenic times. But I'm still looking for entertainer of the year. I'm going to give you my answer. I hope I think that's interesting. Yes, but man if they go on MTV movie awards like Okay Best Kissed during the pandemic. Come on, guys come on. Here's say `I entertainer of the year to me is never just a touring award. It's never just a radio award. There's always. that. About it you don't you don't can't find it, but you just like Oh. That makes sense and I think it's again. The person I'm going to say is a person who already wins it so. Them winning. It is not a surprise, but what they're doing is different, and I'm GONNA go. Garth, again, the guy just sold out three hundred drive in theaters. You know I think what and again is is doing TV shows from home? He did a quarantine show with TRICIA. He played the. The, but then Keith urban was the first guy to go out and play a drive in for the the healthcare workers I think that's amazing I think it's things like that with radio success with the streams I think all of that, and I think you're listed is pretty right on but you know I think it's a garth orange urban type person who wins it this year. Because of the things they were able to do outside the box. I mean loo- combs even. has played shows, but did a bunch of great online stuff, and let's not discredit the fact that he takes unruly songs just puts up brand new videos of them with a song before even cuts, which at this point, his music is his currency. He's not a newer artists going. Hey, here's some more to see. If you think you like me more. He's not putting up demos going. Hey, if you like this, maybe you'll become a fan. He's going I got a lot of the music. I can make you wait, but I'm just GONNA. Put this this song call cold went out or six feet apart, which wasn't. Going to be a song that was cut because people loved it so much. Want to cut it so anyway. That's that's my opinion on that I, think you always have to look at a kind of the whole three sixty when it comes to entertainer of the year and you're right. There is some odd angles to look at this year. You know, yeah, I. I mean it's again. I. Don't envy the job that you know the people behind us. Award shows who produce these things have to try to try to navigate you know there's obviously the ACM's in talking with some people there are trying to navigate. How do they properly acknowledge what's going on in this country and promote You know artists people of color you know. It's not an easy start. There's always people who are unhappy with whatever you do. There's always going to be those haters. We Wanna be entertaining, because this is an entertainment show. You want to obviously support any knowledge. The artists who have been successful you know in the last year but you also don't WanNa look like you're not in tune with the reality that we're all trying to navigate at the same five, so it's it is not easy. And I and again I applaud these people who are trying to come out there and put out a product second for two three hours. Help US escape what we're facing right now. I just can't take anymore. Zoom shows as honestly. At home, shows and I say that someone who was a part of one American idol with if we were the first network show to and set up home from home, and that was a struggle, I'm glad we're able to do it, but man the content that I'm watching. It's all the same. It's just remember at his house. The late night shows which I love me to watch them. They're just people's house. Come on, we got. An what sucks. Kobe's about to hit us again hard again like fullback coming right through the Line Corona nineteen. It's GonNa be tough man, well one of my favorite. For this reason, a livestream that was done was the one that Brag with lady did that was backed by bud light because they basically took over an empty warehouse built their entire stage. like like they went on tour and and and played with wheel full production, full sound audio full. And it was the first time and all of this I had actually seen someone do that. And and and it looked and felt like a regular show Brad had is massive video wall backdrop and it was the first time that I heard music the way I normally would versus the livestream and zoom, and the things that we've all become exhaustively, I think overkilled with but you know it's like that type of innovative. we're -freshing to see I agree, and I think about two now. We've been in this for so long Keith Urban. When he did his little warehouse before Brad did that. You know him and his wife for singing. But yes. Yes, yes, that and that was cool back then back then like it was some crazy yesteryear. It was three months ago. All it feels like forever. Hey, soaker! Where are you right now? right now. I'm in Washington, DC and what's Asians capital. Hey, look lots of elections happening right right the second actually like we're still this upright. Votes are being counted still. Yeah, WHO's GonNa? Who's taken home that that's on the Senate side? And Kentucky? Is it going to be rat? WHO's GonNa? Pull that one out. I tell Ya McGrath and Booker and Charles Booker. Who came on strong at the end? has been an incredibly inspiring charismatic figure who has a future in politics regardless of the outcome, but I think that you peaked too late. If he picked the three weeks before he did I think actually would have won, but McGrath had such a headstart in fundraising building an organization. Run the campaign name. I D I just think that she'll end up pulling it out. Only because the the runway just ran out for for booker just wasn't in time. I got a buddy who works on Booker's campaign Matt Jones. It was radio on Kentucky so. By the time you hear this. They may already be also we'll fact check you. We'll see if you're right, Kurt, hey, listen everybody. Check out morning, hangover dot com. Curtis. He's also on Twitter K. U. R.. T.. That's the Kurt Part No C.. K. U. R. T.. B. A., R., D., e., l., l., A. So all right? Kurt is good catching up with you. Check out curse twitter page. You can see it link to that article. We talked about a little bit. There guy knows a lot about country music. It's always good to see your face when you're around, but haven't been around in a bit because nobody's really allowed to go around anywhere anymore. You know I hear you about well. Thanks for having me. I gotTa tell you I would not be in country music in any way if it weren't for what you've done seeing how you blazed the trail for people outside the come on in and try to. To make a space for themselves as format was winning more inspiring things for me. Being this outside guy in DC never worked in country music at all just a fan and wanted to start just this email tip sheet thing, and and was shocked that it ever took off, but you were one of the first people do encourage me to support me the to promote me. you know, and it means the world to make appreciate that you're probably a little too kind but car. Thank you be safe. Talk to you soon. Right man all right. You know what's interesting is that I called it corona nineteen in my mind. I was picturing a corona fullback with the number nineteen on its Jersey. Cove, at nineteen. I think I was I think I sometimes. The words that come out don't quite fully. Represent the picture in my mind okay. And so yeah, that's work around in nineteen comes from I'm sorry, calling somebody calls me on. A throwback to twenty nineteen comeback. Rony, yeah, you know why. It's called covert nineteen right just for the record. Yes, because it came out and twenty nine nine. Okay? Yeah, that's why he's on the phone. All, right, Kurt, see letter wooded area. What's funny is we leave Kurt on and all of sudden like. Interview, which wasn't, but they used to having me back on my radio days where we. Always say okay, we'll. Get interview, somebody. Whenever. We're done with the interview. Don't hang up so one time we were talking to Jordan Knight from New Kids on the block. Remember that was an intern and we talked to the interview. They're doing a towards a great. And then he said Okay Bye. We didn't hang up and then all of a sudden. You hear him go all right Great and then she's like okay. We're GONNA. Connect you to Cleveland. Here's Jimmy Joe and jam jams or whomever it was, and he goes all right, and so I didn't know what to do. I thought it was gonNA. Hear Cleveland I never heard Cleveland. So I go. Hey, what's up, Jimmy Gio like hey, man I did a whole interview as the guy from Cleveland on on our airwaves still. As a fun time. I remember good old all right. Thanks to Kirk. To another round of some breezy, too. Much to hello friends, the game show on fresh out the kitchen the Pala D. at me and asked me to get slapstick and butter on it. That's my friends. I'm your host. Bobby bones of you here for the first time welcome. The game is simple. Get a question right? move onto the next round. Be One step closer to winning cold hard cash. Get a question, wrong Sunday swarm of murder Hornets to your house there you go, thank you very much. All right so chuck wicks plan this week. Chuck Wicks is a radio host musician. You got a big hit song called stealing Cinderella, and it's a big old bed behind. I'M NOT GONNA. Ask any more questions about what's happening over there. nothing's happening right now. That's that's key. Also country music superstar Dustin Lynch, joining us this week dust and has hit songs that you know like riding road smalltown boy girl. Basically you give this guy a ball cap a back road, a smoking, hot girl. He will hand back a number. One Country Song doesn't let. A, Bit Austin. All right, so here's what's happening. The celebrities are playing for five hundred dollars to charity of their choice. All of US regular folks your plan for one hundred dollars for your Hockett. That's where I question number one. All generic questions get a ride. Stay in the Game Panaho Aria. Good in order you live right now. In Yuma Arizona all right, you have question number one. It's very easy. What city is known as the Big Apple? New. York City Right. Let's go over my friend Steve, who's also the executive producer of our radio show? Steve How are you? Doing pretty good. Your questions also pretty easy. which singer had her award show speech interrupted by Kanye West. Taylor swift diesel. That is correct listener Christie. Where do you live? Florida all right in Florida. Your question is Baltimore is the capital of what states Maryland that is correct. Let's go over to Chuck Wicks first celebrity to get a questionnaire. Shot. What's the main ingredient have an? An egg that is right listener Tom. Your question is what type of animal is Garfield. I can't is right and Dustin Lynch you taste. Buds are located on one part of the body, the tongue that is correct, also accepted Weiner all right there you go. You're on a stick around. Yeah all right so now we're GONNA. Play name. That class in cartoon I'll show you a cartoon behind me. All you have to do is tell me the classic cartoon Anna you're up I. can you name this classic cartoon? Boot. That is Betty boop. That is correct. Can you name. This classic cartoon Scuba Steve and Maniacs. Correct Christie classic cartoon for you is. Spending bugs bunny is right. Chuck wicks named that cartoon. daffy duck daffy duck is correct. Hey, Tom. Named that one. Domes. The flintstones is correct. Hey, Dustin Lynch. Snoopy snoopy it is your all on to the next round shot. Fives all around. Let's put Dustin Lynch Burst Dustin. Fancy veteran there. What do you have going on there? This'll be awesome. No Ma Basement. That's a basement. And how many many bodies are tracked down in that thing? There will be a lot this weekend non right now. Does what he working on right now. The people to go check out. Working on. New Music and honestly I'm provinces outdoors so the summer. Also got a video where everything's on fire called Mama's house. When you check that out right now online all right here we go. The next question are all about slogans, so I will read you a slogan. All you have to do is tell me the product that it's the slogan four. Are you ready Hannah? Yes I went up. Is there great? frosted flakes that is correct. Scuba Steve. Whose slogan is taste the Rainbow? skittles. Correct Listener Christie. Can you hear me now? Is the slogan for who? Reisen Correct, Chuck what what are you doing down in Florida right now? I am crashing at Audi Taus. I'm using it for everything this behind me. John is married to Jason Aldean's sister. How's I going for you pretty good? Hopefully, we'll be having some news sins, so we're we're. We're happy, so we're good if you WANNA break here on the show. No, can you imagine the breaking news on this earth? Chuck wicks. Who slogan is good to the last drop. Oh I knew I knew this Naga subject for me. Job Doesn't you know this one? For some reason I'm thinking snapple. That's not right. Could I assume a friend you can? You can ask one person on the board for help, but if you miss it, you're eliminated asking anybody on the board. I'm looking at other faces electoral all it. Oh, study all right Steven, drop! Dead No. Does any one. Yes go ahead. Would you like to help them Kristie? Folders Okay Chuck. You can go with folger's, or whatever scuba said forward. I don't know and then. I thought folger's was. I'm GONNA go with. With. Yeah. I'm going. Not. It is Maxwell House, however you. You're the first one out, so you get the first question, the only question that can save you. Are you ready? Yes, what's in your wallet? Is the slogan who Bad this talk. What's in your wallet? Shock. Everybody Wave Goodbye to chuck I'm sorry it has capital. One Chuck is the first one to go chuck parting words for everyone. Chuck frozen right. He just froze okay. Treat my back Chuck, oh. We lost them all right. NEXT ONE UP. Let's go over to you Tom. Lights Blank is there. Much Breakfast of champions is a slogan for WHO. Breakfast of champions slogan for. Sport. Sports Sports extorts okay. If. He performed really well. You got on this. Tried to tell. Dustin the breakfast of champions is wheaties. Anything, you'd like to say Dustin. Guys. Good, luck. and. Huck in person. It was a question. Is a quick run for destined lynched, but he's. He's gotta go all right there. He goes. No celebrities left. Wow, that was quick. I gotta be honest. Disappointing this week where the celebrities. Famous they are, but just how good they did. Listen her hand out. We're going to do one more round finger licking good as KFC is correct. Hey, scuba steep I'm loving it. That is McDonald's correct. Listener Christie Burger King is correct. Hey, Tom America runs on blank. On the next round. I don't know if you've made noise Scuba Steve or not, but it looked like you were screaming. Next up, we're going to play name that movie poster, so what will show you a very famous movie poster without the movie on it all? You have to do his name the movie here we go question number one. Can you nate? Vendors and game. I would accept adventures. Okay here we go over to YOU SCUBA Steve. Can you name this one? E-. Et is correct. Can you name this one Kristie? Or just correct. Hey, Tom, what's this? Frozen. Hey Hannah. What's this one? Greece. Steve. What's this one Harry Potter Harry Potter is. How about this one St. John's. Rents pay Tom. Can you hear me with this? Notebook. The notebook is correct jaw. You're competing for one hundred dollars in cash obviously. As. Happened with the show most of the time I internet connection is not perfect, so the first person I think yells. Her name is going to be the winner here with the Buzzer. Now we're doing head to head challenge. Okay I'll ask you a question, the first person to in their name. When I do people up or Hannah and Scuba Steve Replace Each Other. If you know the answer, Yell Your Name. We go question one. Which Disney princess has really really long hair. Hannah. Renzo! Correct skewer Steve. Off of here's a story. He was. Right after this love there, you go all right next up Christie and Tom in the battle pet head, yell! Your name has the Buzzer. In which country? Would you find? Buckingham Palace. Popped Tom. England England is correct. Christie so sad to see you. Go love your glasses. Pleasant danger loved having you on this week. Hopefully I'll see again soon, bikers. We have two players. Left Ladies and gentlemen we're down to. Final round. It is true or false. Hannah your first, true or false. A circle is three hundred sixty degrees. True, that is correct. Hey! Tom, true or false Easter Sunday on the same date every year. Off boss, that is correct. What do you do for a job? And I work for the Military Family Advisory Network. Oh, nice, what's your sign? Say Behind you. Say Hello Bobby! Game by giving. Nice or hello. Bobby I'll take that as well both correct all right. Hand it back over to you. Chocolate is lethal to dogs Voss. True. Hey Tom baby. One more time was Britney second number one song to a false. Correct it was her first. Hannah diamond is the hardest natural substance to. Correct Hey tom over to you. Zodiac sign represented by twins. Off. It is Jimmy. You're correct over to you. Hannah Michael Phelps holds the record for the most Olympic gold medal. Sure boss. Hey Tom silk fabric is made out of worms boss. Correct. You guys are amazing it this had two people to ever grace my computer Hannah. The Sahara is the largest desert in the world. Trick. Correct Hey Tom. A common piece of paper is eight and a half by ten inches. Ball! How do you know that? Did. You know that to Hannah. Holy crowd. The two smartest people ever on this show, okay. One final question for each of you, Hannah! Three you. Sneeze is faster than an eye. 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Game Of Thrones - Series Recap and Finale
"Attention. Please be advised. The following episode contained spoilers. Don't say we didn't warn you. Wrote off into the sunset with. Yes. And everything would have been fine torment, which there is still a chance. The live. Yeah. Nerd on? What is going on? Everybody. Welcome back to nerd on the podcast. You didn't need, but you deserve all levels of nerd are welcome. No matter what house, you find yourself in, whether by choice or by, or if you're badgen, or, or that, that's also option that it is actually kind of a valid option. Let's get started. I'm Josh, I'm Caitlyn on Tom, and we are actually joined by a friend of ours. This is our friend will pretty. Will is if you're familiar with nerd on. He is one of our writers. He is our assistant editor. Yes. Yeah. Right. Some of the articles that are on our website goes to eat three with us puts up with us, but something that we found out recently is that he is a huge fan. I'm Roney totally. I think it's a throne. Surani. But before we get too much into it just for everyone know, hasn't clicked the fucking, title, and sees, what today we're talking about a special episodes of bonus episode. Yes, it is, is writing the hype train because we all people are gonna be talking about it writing high chain and all the dragons that are burning all of west roasts day were talking about the series. Finale of the climactic epoch show. That's ward winning on HBO talking about the stew based on the George r Martin book a song of ice fire talking about gamma thrones. Yeah. We are. And. I'm going to I'm going to take back the, the wall little bit. We are actually probably twenty minutes after watching it. So this might be a little bit of first impressions. It'll be a little nostalgia thinking back wrap up of the series. Yeah. It's going to be a very. Ailing very all encompassing conversation, very, not the same. But kind of the same as our usual show in lieu of will being here as you could tell we do not have Corey all e because they are not thrown these now. That's okay. 'cause they're also welcome here. Yes. They are as Corey says it's okay to be wrong. Yes. Wow. Wow. Let's get into it is this brought to us in part by this episode is brought to you in part by our patrons over at patriotic. If you are new to patriot patriotic, essentially a membership service in which you can support your favorite creators, say, I dunno nerd on and with as little as a dollar to five dollars a month. You can get special content like early access or access to a dischord server that you get to talk to us and to other fans all about comic books and anime. And there's even a food porn channel sending picture. So, so there's that but yeah, if you check it out neurons nation. Yes, the nerd on Nate Nate nation nature, channel inert on nature channel will here. We are nerd on dot IO backslash patriot. We'll check it out. I know I know again we're going to little off the rails. It's come first impression we just did a rap or we just watch the season series finale, but, you know what that means it's over. It is over its means that means we can read it right. We can read it and I wanted to throw a little fuck. Another wrench in there was some more dragon fire in that bitch. Wow. We're going to rate the season as a whole because that's what the most topic, top people, but also rate the series as okay? The pantheon of shows we've watched. So that means we get to guess that. Right. Mr. yes, so yeah, I'm not gonna explain it Tom. Always explain. Yeah. So that one time since we're going to at the end rate the show envy season at one out of five one being the lowest five in the highest of in the group rates at the lowest will be the grump of the week. We incurred everyone at home to play along send us lip and slide in the DM. So it was on Facebook, all things. Tell us what you thought about the series and a season. And who you think out of all of us would have been the grumped grumped the grunt the gras? Wow. So we have one out of five on five team plays out of my you can play along. Okay. So my Lancaster shot glass, courtesy of will. Yeah. And my Barassie in killer. Cuts literally. So I have always explained so one out of five for the series, I'm gonna guess. Oh, where this is going to be two separate series season. Okay. So it's going to be two separate grams or the same for the series. I think maybe the groom for the season, I think Will's going to be the chrome. What did I just do the show how while we need to track this? I got a pen right here. Here's a pen. Yes. Daddy track that try to ask. Okay. So you go for the. Finale, or for the it's the series and the seasons and right? Yup. So for the whole series, I think. Then you can't pick yourself. I am. I'm aware, and I wouldn't anyway, but I think Josh will be the ground for the series for the series. I think Tom will be the ground for the last season. Okay. I think. For the series as a whole. Caitlyn. He's gonna be the series as a whole chaos in the season. Sheared. I think it's gonna be Caitlyn to for two, okay? So will who do you think will be the grump the lowest scoring person for the season and for the series? Let's see, for the series based on what, you know, of us, I think I would go Caitlyn for the series three on Kaelin and for the season. I can't pick myself. No. You can't. Oh. Away. Giving anything away. But giving everything away for the season. I think I'll go Tom kind so to on Tom for the season one on Kaelin for the season one will for the season, Josh three on Caitlyn for the series and one on Josh for the series. So at the end, you know, we're definitely do that. But let's go right into a long night. We got a long conversation. Talk about this. Let's go to the complete spoilers of it that Willie fucking started. The spoilers for guests that grump is first impressions aka initial reaction initial reactions. So let's just talk about the season the season. Would you guys thing what you guys? I'm going to be real here this season. I'm not completely on the internet train of where everybody's like I mean, I'm not gonna put my name on the petition to remake the season. I mean it's done. It's literally done. I love this show. I'm just going to be real whether it's a bad, whether it's a bad episode, I, I still trudge along, I still just trudge along. And, but the thing is, is like having those high expectations of something like every show has a bad episode and this show. Yeah. Maybe it had a few episodes after another that were bad. But this season. I really really enjoyed in general, there were some things that I was like. But maybe it comes with baggage that it's the final season the phone. Yeah. So I'm wondering if I can be special, especially since we are so off the, the coattails of the finale that I'm like, I'm wondering if there comes some baggage of like, just side don't have any chance to see it again, to get some like to really juice it out or whatever. But yeah. I say this with the season with this season, it was like, I still watched it and was like damn. But it was kind of like. Was this a party of back and forth? How about the series in itself, you kind of retyped about it. Yeah. The series. I mean when it first started it actually took me a few episodes to get into it. Slow slow Boehner, it was a slow Boehner at I really at first, I only started watching it because there was a whole bunch. I gave into peer pressure. People are like, have you seen this show? Do smoothies seen this new show game of thrones and I was like, no, I haven't I watched like one episode and I was like I mean, how did people get into this, so boring, and then I just kept watching. I was like, I'll just keep watching because people kept. Hey, do you watch it? No started. And then I was hooked. It was bad, like it's, it's you were like, yeah, I need the throne. Gimme thrown gives gives me some more. And it's like but again, it's, it's a media. It's an entertainment, where it's just like this is fun. This is so cool this fun. Yeah. It's a ride, so or it's a lotta. It's a ladder much. No, I want killing go last. All they know she definitely. Yes. Yes. Oh, yes. Yes. Story story will how about you season. Ben series how you feel high feel already season little addendum to this? How did you experience the show when, when in the time line of the last eight years, did you slow you could talk about the juror? I okay. Because for context because that's also a talking point. Okay. So my context is when it started the year, I started when it I mean, probably a few months, like after because by the time I watched it was been Djibril in terms of like, watch the first season. Right. So they had to be a few months into the first year and then you, and then I just when it came out of came out, and I kept up with it, so eight years billion. Well, for me, I didn't jump on board until maybe season three because I wanted to binge the, you know, the first season or to at least because I, I hate waiting for episodes, but. And I also had a bit of a time getting into it. I, I for peer pressure reasons started watching it, and we'll get you now I know we're gonna say full on family. Yeah, but as, as a series I should I go series, I or season I baby up to you to you. All right market as a season residue for sure. I'll say right into series then the series, as a whole is one of my favorite series of all time. The and I will say that part of what I like so much about is that there's so much content out there to consume as far as analysis of the episodes, and, you know, great podcasts like this one that gives information imperatives. Much stuff. So it I think it's just a whole universe much, like Harry Potter. Yeah. It's you can really just dive in. So it's, it's one of my favorite series of all time, there's such great writing Georgia Martin really, and especially I would say after this season. I appreciate his skills as a writer, more than I think his ability to kill a character. I mean. It's pretty silent iron, you know, they, they did still they're doing in this season is very much based on what he has indicated a one outlined. But I think the writing is just great. And the, the production team has just always consistently done a phenomenal job. It's it, I think elevated television in the time when tell we were entering the golden age of television, which we're in now and I think it's been a major part of that, as far as the season OSHA I think it's a something I've never experienced before, with any other show, where everything about the execution, and the, the place where things end up, I approve of wholeheartedly. I think it's a masterwork but when it comes to the steps taken to arrive at those places. Yeah, I'm very much let down and I think in some ways. Problematic. Representation of characters is created because things didn't have that lead up to where they ended up. And so we get this, like, what was the whole point of that? Yeah. Yeah. That's a lot of loose ends loose ends since for hamlet ends. Yeah. Yeah. So that's those are my opinions so to that point, I'll talk about the series how I got into it. I was dating this girl, YoM saying, you know. No. I was in college. And this one girl, Dane I fucking loved. I was in love with thousands of mayor this bitch, but we didn't. And I hope she's well and all that shit shout out who she is. But she was like. Can we read these books? I was like, oh he started with books. She started with the books. Okay. I, I don't know how read it's true. And then she was like, let's read his books, and I was like y'all by the bugs, baby. And then she can we show because this moody kisser it's like you know, they all start watching it. And so we started watching bits Valentine I'd buy books for you. Yeah. But watching the show when kind of sometimes you Josh, like where it was Benjamin, at that point, where okay? Maybe sees a one in the season two starting, but then I just kept up with it. But the thing is, I wasn't like I need to watch more episodes. It was like I didn't watch any season during the time of showing a wash it like months afterwards, you didn't need it. It was like, oh, aired, and everyone's like for me. Again one hundred percent. This is not only for me enough for rest of the world to don't be that person Sposa for people. I don't care about spoilers, I could care less about what happens in the story. I wanna see how it happens. And for me, it's kind of, like, well, how's it build up? How do these events stack up and compound on a character's? Motivations x y and z. And I enjoyed it, you know, like again, I for me, futuristic tech post-apocalyptic has always been more of my thing versus Middle Earth. Medieval fantasy stuff like that stuff. I'm like, give everyone the cold. No one has an antibiotics. Okay, great. Plot device flu the flu. It's like okay, it's like I have the power at shoo you dead. Sorry. Like, that's how I feel about fantasy most of the time, but this was kind of, like, oh, it's not about like purely the magic part of it. But then the girl is day at the time she was like, well, you don't understand when the eggs, are there when the white Wasser magic reignites in the world when okay we'll then cool and in the lower house. I really liked to me at the same time the show was out was was around the same time, little bit later on was like house of cards. And I really like the political drama like this cut throw. We like there's a position of power kind of feel and it's about the person who's not the most powerful who hasn't had the biggest the most cutting and I love that show like powerful dramatic character points care driven show. And so it's like who do you like the most like there's just a fucking guard in full of characters I like that character. This character. But as a season. Echoing a little bit of what the internet's talking about. Like I hate the season blah, blah note developing, I'm like, yo, does the end of the season and the series how, how much more like development you need for each. This is the point. We're supposed to get you. Those last seven is what those development were for, like, imagine a movie that ends like with, like a character. Let's try not one that's spoiled, but like hell boys, like, but I wonder who my dad is why it's a fucking stupid point to have a third act. Have some development. The third act is supposed to be the finishing point. The lessons are learned or they're not learned and the characters doomed to follow the path, they're on or the path ago, put themselves on. And that's to me how I feel like writing should be done. But nowadays, everyone's like universe building. So there's never really store like a beginning a middle or an end is like let's just continue the story. But I to me, I'm very much on the side of like there's not a very bleak outlook on people as well as how people are depicted and TV and I think, in a world full of soup. Heroes, and quote unquote. Like we should try to strive to better is something I love, but then in a TV show, it's where it lives in your in your in your home. You know you go you go out to see the movies be stay home to watch the TV and TV becomes a household name. You know, everyone's going targeting everyone's going to know you know, last or x y and z. So like, for me, I was kind of, like, yeah, these are the stories that you tell your kids all those parents that name there, little girls day. But those kind of things where it's like I'm so far, like, yeah, there's a, there's a big difference. I wanna talk about that later on in the show about the difference of execution in the show with the, you know, executive producers as well as show runners versus how Dr Martin had mapped up thing, but it will sit at that point turns of the season. My favorite meal of the is, well, at least people now know the feeling all the enemy fans get of while they didn't finish the show the enemy at. So here's the rest of the show to come out of this is so true, but it's kind of, like, you know, to that point you to make an animate thing full metal alchemist brotherhood, compare monogamous. They're still pretty good still good in their own. Right. So if there's ever an like another reboot of game of thrones, which, I don't think they should have another twenty five years at least like this is still stand the test of time and be like, hey, this is what it was. I enjoyed it. Nice kaelin. Tell us about your journey see the west. Your journey from the Red Sea, and the flags and the south west coast everywhere. So I- since this show aired initially v. Eight years ago, two thousand one I have had all of my friends being like this show is the worst your jam. Notre this is you this show is like I don't you should be on, like part of this phony, you should be thrown at one hundred percent a throaty thrown. I'm sorry, whatever it is. I like throwing her admitted up. I wanted to watch it, but it was just one of those things where the more time that passed the more episodes that built up. And I'm one of those people that when I binge something or when I start watching something if I like it, I will not stop to eat to sleep. I am that person. I don't eat. I don't sleep. I don't just been binge. I'm that person tennis. Specially. At the end of it right now. But yeah, so I knew if I started it that I would get invested, then I wouldn't be able to stop. And so I didn't actually start watching this until the very beginning of eighth season. You're welcome. So start washing it until the eighth season started. And I think it was last weekend. I told you I was on season four. So you did three seasons in a week. I finished a season and a half in a day epic, I done. Well to me that's not incredulous. I'm like ACA, right? Everyone. Hold of injury. I get it. But the time invested it's fine. I had like planned out like snacks and whatnot. People do some people do show prep. Yeah. I did the ladder and not very well. But so I watched all of this in a constant string every day I actually out great. It was because the story is like when you go year to year, some years, you're like fuck what happened last season every happened in Doorn. I was like what, but. He'll do that with Star Wars. Right. And it's good to, like, watch everything. All in one go because in a way you almost feel like brand a little bit because you have all of the past laid out in front of you. Feel useless. Wow. Thank you. Yeah. Because you're not getting up off the couch. I'm here where I'm supposed to be go on going. But so it was really it was nice to like see everything progress and anytime there, were I felt like I was noticing more, because I didn't have to worry about forgetting things, so I paid more attention. You know, I hyper focus on tiny aspects of shows moles like moles actors feel to see aria grow up. It was not as fun save time. If I had had more if the eight years had passed, but she looked the same she, she didn't like she just grew your. Oh, she's, she's fourteen to war closing. Yeah. That covered her up. So when she and Genry have a little time together. I was like, no, no. She's like twelve and then I realized, oh, she's a woman has been away for a decade, or I would call a woman. She kills him on focus. Yeah. For sure. So it was good and bad to have the well, because also you you'd notice more when things are dragging and the because once he's has a lot of momentum. Another doesn't. Right. So that's whereas a series. This was like phenomenal like it really is a master work. Everything tied together watching it all in one long string million dollars series. It's amazing. It's, it's there's literally nothing like it and who's so far well, up to this point, there's been absolutely nuts trailblazer. But then for the last season because I've been watching everything in consistent string it was hard to watch the last season because I get what you're saying with character development. They've been building towards this. But in the end it felt like they were just patting themselves on the back for getting to this point now. And that was hard to watch because of all, I mean, there's so much dedication in the show. Everyone who's part of the show is very obvious. Early in it. One hundred winter sent in it to win it all the way the risk of a man. Seeing all this development all this momentum. And obviously the world has to just continue the story has to continue in way to fall into the self in prophecies, right? But the way that they handled them just felt very like phony did it, so it's fine. Whatever we do is going to be okay, and it was, but it could have been something else. Yeah. I mean that's why feel kind of man, not that I hated it was great. It was. I mean what I watched it again. Yeah. One hundred percent just so I could pay more attention to more things. See more of the west rose will receive more of the world across the sea, right? Exactly. But marine and all that, but yeah so series as a whole holy crap a million out of ten like wonderful season like last season. With that. I think we should go into brief synopsis. So I would like so this is. Hi, tom. I'm going to try to go brief snaps of the series, as well as a season mainly more of the season. So the series starts off with the peacetime and winter is coming and the stark family and the breath and family are kind of preparing for a change of the regime. The last are there. The Lancers are joined with the breath and family. Let's say people get fucking killed for no goddamn reason. And then now everyone's saying they have a claim to the throne breath, Ian king dies. So everyone has acclaimed for thrown. So now we have Danny, who's one of the main characters who is a target area, and who was the previous king's daughter now has to find her army slate of free slaves. Find her way across this giant see that, you know, divides her from the people of west rose as well as lands realized there's so much, there's so much I'm gonna I'm gonna try and. The star families kind of small separate different places like after the death of their father like one has become a Sassan one like refuge, and winter fell, another one becomes like this king of the north and other one has to like defend the world from other worldly beings medieval stuff, ensue gets to the point where one of the start. Brothers died and other dies. One becomes his omniscient. God do sous death and sues one has come back from being the knights watched like worn the entire world of men, the realm of, man of, like, hey, like there are zombies and Rick Grimes not there. So that, like, hey look there sambas. So we had to do that stuff, Danny who's, like y'all. I've gotten become now doth Raqi. I'm a Kalisa now has a fucking powerful arms. You've got dragons aren't fear like these drags coming in, sir. Sees just mistress commandeer, like like just puppeteer. Everybody Tyrian who's kind of balancing both sides of being a last year. But also trying to find what's right for the world. All those worlds can convert. Urge finding all these different breath, Ian and grey, joys as well as Starks dying left and right to the point where we'll get to the the eighth season. Yeah. And there's so many intricacies, there are of like 'cause the thing is like, in the end the show is about the Starks. Yeah. Shows about the starch, but the main characters Tyrian because he has the most of it is George reminds favor character. Yeah, but I mean, the show is about the Starks because but there's so many characters that you follow their plotlines as well, that doing a brief synopsis of his show is like impossible. I'm doing God's work. Thank you. Season starts out because of the stark. John snow finds out. He is a tar Garin appeals to search like hey, look, Sarah difference, aside and thrown fuck that shit, material goods fuck that shit. We're at the fight for our lives because he's coming in by episode three should all done. And now it's like well, now target flip a coin gods. Like yo she's gonna become mad because her father became a mad king, and just burnt everyone. Fucking dragon fire and she's now only have two dragons, then blit only one dragon Caesar best friend fucking die. Everyone doesn't trust her. She realizes she has no love and the people outside of what she's freed from slaves, doth. Raqi. Unsullied XYZ saunas star is just doing all the things. He's learnt from little finger, as well as from sir c Lancaster John snow's, like I don't wanna be king. But then all of Kingsland gets burned to the ground because Danny makes a personal. And we've at the very end John has to kill Danny, because he knows that she will never stop. She become a warmonger she's gonna make a maniac and. Everyone dies trying to either fight for the fact that, like, hey, the, she's the Queen believe it her. She has a rival like claim to the throne, but Jon snow is actually a target area. So he has a higher claim to the throne various, dis and tears. I don't know what to do. He becomes kind of the audience surrogate for what is right. And what is wrong? And various always knew from the very beginning. What's wrong and right in the world, but Tyrian had to learn from making the mistakes he never had this? Like I don't need to develop. So he makes all the wrong decisions, and he learns from them. And at the very end Braun bran becomes the king of the free people, and the broken the brand the broken. I the Endo's king of people will protect protector the room and Tyrian becomes the king kings hand and John snow gets sent back to watch are stark is now this dope, assassin goes travels. West of west rose is a call east roost in San's. It becomes the lady of the north retaining a free people. And so we have that as what. They've been for thousands of years kind of echoed, a little bit of the, the story line of firefly with Nathan feelings character how he was like, you know, the civil war thing where it's like the people, the statesman, keep their own rights for the federal government could go fuck themselves. And whatever the fuck they want. So it's like the people of king's landing in west res-, like, yeah, you're the sovereign nation. But king winter fell will always be independent self winter, fellow always be the shield that defends the world from mystic powers and credits. Then I did a great job. Okay. Okay. All right. All right. Twenty minutes of just realize that this is like a battle star galactica. What has happened before will happen again? Yeah. To me that like from season three. Yeah. Like I knew like, no matter what happens like the thing about the show, I guess we could talk a little bit like feary as the internet goes of everything. The thing about the show, Georgia minds, very influenced by talking and talking very much, you know, row in, you know, created Lord of the rings based on World War, and is about war. It's about, you know, the people as well as heroes, as well as the politicians all the people that get affected by everything. Why they get affected by anything material goods and this show I feel like had the biggest. Like message to say that as long as men in humans. I guess live in this world. There will always be turmoil. There always be compromiser always be secrets. There will always be things that we fall in line and history will continue to repeat itself, and not necessarily a bad thing. But we must learn how to, you know, modern soc- modern problems need modern solutions. Yeah. You know that me modern problems require modern solutions Japan. Japan. So in that sense where it's like to me, like, if the whole world ended up in ashes and Danny became the, the Queen mad Queen and didn't die and then I to me and the show ended, I know, for fact story would continue with dingy and stark trying to kill the tar Garin because that's what happened before. And the world doesn't wait for tyrants, to become peaceful, like war will continue to happen. And so for me what everyone's like, I don't like the way all this stuff I get that point. But I also get for me. I'm gonna I'll end with this point. And then stop, I like what I liked. I read this thing on Twitter article or Twitter feed was at George Martin's Pancer and d- d- Di Weiss and. Yeah. The other show is applauding and I find myself as a plotter. Now what those things are forever at home. I was just gonna do you mind if I because I was going to actually bring that up no-go fuckers. Don't go ahead. Don't Josh ZOA, plotter, is somebody who plots out the the series the series, the, the story lines. They plotted out while as a passer just flying by the pants in more worry about characters pants or they're not the answer. They're just viewing a and c r means Pancer. So yeah, they're just allowing it to unfold. Right. Like a good analogy is at Georgia Armar has has he seeds, and he wants to plant them, water them, and feed them and treat them. Well. And this reason why all these books and it became like, well, I know I'm gonna finish it by the third book will actually any two more books to get to that point. Because I like these cares. I wanna grow them, right? Whereas the show runners D as on the internet. They're plotters. They know that we have to reach a certain, and, and we have to make sure all these eggs are in line all the stars align to a certain point. But which you lose on both ends is the Pancer doesn't really have a, a full through line, and it will never end the way that they think it's going to end in the plots. Like all the thing all the progress we've made kind of has to side in order for us to end the way we need to end. Yeah. And I and the article that or the thread that, Josh and I are talking about, like I really like the point of view that it had where it's like this, neither wrong or right? But people feel it and that's that's the points at the factual end of it is at people will feel the difference. Routine a Pancer plotter, and especially when the plotters have to take over for the Panzer because George Armand just doesn't wanna fuck him feel like he wants to finish the damn book because he wants to sweet time. And it's like I get it too. But it's kind of like now you're in the biz. Now got a kind of trash it out. So for me that's where I'm out. So a little bit about the production production. Yes, sir. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. Yes. Guess so I didn't know who soon I offered, but you can do it. Studio was HBO show, letters, db, Weiss, and David Benham benef- off many off benef- characters based on a song fire. Nice by George Artan, the casts a lot of people Peter Dink lidge from death in death and funeral Infinity war men days of future past days. Feature pass nip tuck elf. Oh, yeah. No god. Amelia. Clark me before you Terminator Genesis Star Wars. Solo game of thrones. Might know her from a kit Harrington from silent hill, revelation thirteen Dag Dagon, how to train your dragon his ear. It Irit seventh son Soviet Turner x men, apocalypse starphoenix maisy Williams, TV movie house, called to even TV. Really clear we go, TV movie cyber bullied, the falling the book of love Lena Headley, he'd -ly. He Hiti could Lord names and words are hard English is difficult, Lena. Hiti Terminator series, purge three hundred the jungle book and Jacob Anderson, aka rally, rall and Richard Richie from overlord broad church. The TV show. First aired date was April seventeenth two thousand eleven where were you into eleven? Yeah. Let's hear. The finale is may nineteen twenty nineteen, which is today when you're listening to this yesterday on the rating is the general ratings have been ninety one percent for critical critics critics and eighty five percent for audience. Here's here's one thing, I would like to say, like especially about the casting, there's a huge Kassai big fucking to cast massive, but it was also like a career starter. Really like maybe not a starter. But a lot of these a lot of the actors that are in game of thrones game of thrones is one of those shows that like when you're when you're running around IMDB, and you're looking at the trivia, they're like this actor in this actor both in this, this is one of those shows that you're gonna see a lot of British actors which I really appreciate and you're gonna see that, like, Harry Potter's another series that they're like this actor in this sector. We're both in this, this show starter. Yeah. And it all of these actors all had something before this. But this launch them, which I really appreciate. I would say it's like me. It's like they've been working, and they began paid for it, but this put them on the map. Yeah. And gave him on. On the map. I'm working I have yet it's nothing of merit. So to thanks, fucking, Josh. All of us work for a big studio. Wow. Anyway. So we get into favorite parts. Yeah. The meat and potatoes and the fruits and the salads of now. Heart. So, yeah, I mean, this is showing a little different like last time we did a show like how would be, but it was like one season, right? Yeah. But then last time like TV live action series was stranger. Things wasn't even over. Yeah. Rick Morgan was even over yet. Yeah, this is over the first time that we've done a full show. That's that is done. Yeah. So I've action and had this many seasons in it. We have will. So we want to, you know, have the welcome wagon. So let's have a little fun with let's talk about favorite episodes, favorite battles cared not all at the same time, but you could just, you know, prattle off everything tight goat. What was your favorite thing? You know, like favorite relationship arcs, we'll go ahead and start us. The newbie. Gosh. I mean probably the thing that comes to mind. I is the red wedding. All. Now's is death right? Oh, no. No. That's the I think the purple is perfectly. Yes. Oh, Callen win calendar. Yes. Okay. No. It was great by time win had been writing so many letters at that desk now building tiling. Landis, send their guts, and they always pay the debts baby, always while the show is come so far, so so much blood so much. After the restroom. I can't take that. That's Cory, Cory. I love you. Well, I mean, I think one of the first game of thrones had this thing that they did. It was ten episodes. The ninth one was always like blow your fucking. Yeah. And the tenth one was like ready for next time. But. Tiers the first season, I think it was the green fire. Oh, I think we all were like working towards. We were like this is cool. This is cool, and then that happened. We were like Terry and showed his ass. You like the battle of black waters where the green fight they show wildfire season two. If green fire receives in one I one has Baylor where Ned stark gets, you know, you're right, you're right, you're right. Do you challenge will for dominance of? Yeah. I thought you said to Rony. But not. So while you love the wire episode classic. Yes, that was fun is the one where Tyrian saves king's landing right? Yes. Absolutely battle. Blackwater racer brand of the blackwater gets his shit. Oh, yeah. Yeah. I just remember all the green and like everybody's going fans his army. Yeah, that Voces son dies. Still hasn't visited his wife back home. Well, we'll whatever he's doing more important help mow the. Still has visited his wife. No not. Why will you Kaelin since you're binge binge escapade? What's your favorite episode so far episode or biolab that I don't have sequence or sequencer thing there? Okay. So there's one thing that sticks in my out in my mind clear. No, this the credit. No, it's, it's at at the wall. The just after at the Nightwatch where they've just had this like the long battle all night. I think it was the Wild Wings too. And then but and. No, no. It was something tiny and didn't matter it. It's, it's more of a large, of course, it is. Because it's means you, but it's, it's four larger statement of what they did with the show, and it was when John comes down from that, like, upper place where the elevators and he's coming down to like look over everything and on the railing, there's two handprints in blood of just like fingers, and it has so much weight of, like you look at that, and, you know, that someone was like dying or just held someone who is dying, and like was looking over everything that was happening in front of them. They were so good. Ghost the waiting to happen before it's things that happened before, and it's, it's, it's win. Davos is serving soup to all the soldiers as the, the little girl. Yeah. The little girl with the burns on her face and like completely. To completely throwaway situation. But like when she came on, I started crying, because I understood the weight of what it meant for him to see her. Absolutely. It's a callback to Charene who shrink much too. Read. Relationship, but, but the good at setting everything up. So that something that doesn't even matter hold so much week 'cause you understand where came Bogan isn't. They care about the character. You almost don't care. What happens in the story? Right. Because the coaches have been through so much, and you care about the world around them like those, those bloody fingerprints, we don't even know who that belonged to, but it matters because it was like someone who was there and, and accrue, the whole the whole premise of the fight with the nineteen and everything was about remembering the world. Remembering all these stories, remembering on these people, and it was so important that was most important through lines throughout the whole thing is people just want to be remembered, they want their name Freeman in history. Even with the Brandon's. The Starks Lancaster's everything everyone just wants to be remembered legacy. Dan talked a lot about legacy. It's all about and, and the show did such a good job of everything happened matter. Even if it was tiny which, even if it didn't matter which the show has a great strength of showing again, no shows ever, just about what the show is it always has a message at leaks into our socio political lives. And like the material of having thrown and having power and freeing people and breaking the cycle of XYZ. And like the legacy ideology is like you know what you leave behind. And then how do you treat, you know, your children and, you know, are they going to live up to your name? And are you putting them like on this, like prophesized path of like you have to live up to your name? Or do you live as a free person, and you're to fuck you want so things? Yeah, there's, there's so many great aspects. But those, those were kind of my main ones, but my favorite like relationship also was the hound and Arya. Yes. Yeah. That was like, the, the because it, it was rocky at some very rocky. It's then at the end you're like oh, you call the Sander shoes. I liked Ed Sheeran and how he dies. Oh, wow. How Josh what's your favorite sequence or relationship? Whatever I mean like I said, the battle blackwater was pretty sweet. I mean, I know that it was kind of a joke about it, but game of thrones of something that you just you really couldn't get too attached. I hate that the thing about this, this movie, the series is that it's easy to forget names. It's gonna it's been, it's been a long time since we've done, it's been an honor, not TV's shows on who you're talking to. So with this. I love the character and his storyline and that's why it upset at me so much when his head was bashed in when the red viper red vipers Lorient. Yeah. Yeah. I think he actually should be a reboot of Zorro. Oh. Actually Steve's shadow to him as in him as an actor like if you get see. Narcos narcos. On that. And he's an equaliser. Yeah, that's my mom. So I mean that's storyline was fun. Except for you know, bashing thing. I love seeing Ramsey get his come up. Oof. I mean do Weiner that dude. I just. And, you know, the, the one turn around for a character that just really hurt my hearty on theon. And like he was a do sh at some points and went through some shit. And it really just he got changed fucked. Yeah. He got mine for a long to the place where he didn't know his own name, or he wasn't willing to even remember loyalty was at questioned. The star is a great joy, and then all sends like okay, I have to do what grade joys do lost my density and I don't serve anybody. But then it's like almost hidden nature feeling. I have to do what's right and protected who protect me, and yeah. So it I mean he was one of my favorites to watch in terms of I mean I I as he was as he was becoming a better person. It was like, oh, this is neat. He's not just a douchebag. He's actually he's there's something else inside of him. So shout out to my friend, Charlie Burgess who got me in. Lily allen. Who's a musician has a song dedicated to him? Oh really called Alfie and it's not pleasant. Oh, so I don't know how that character is relatable into his cared about. I mean obviously that's like from years ago, but those really funny off. Oh shit. What do you guys think about and I've seen this on the internet? A lot of people are saying that theon is comparable to sort of Ghalem kind of one hundred hours. He serves his purpose of, it's like why is this dude still alive? You know, he's gone just suffering all the time, and he was buying needed to blame the I think he had almost the best button to his art. Yeah. Where he protects brand. Even though he knows he's not gonna survive, like, yeah, he, he died a hero's soldier death. And like he knew he just had to prevent the nineteen from getting closer to that would he have died that helpful death? If brand had not given those encouraging words, though, at the end, he would have ran away, then Broncos died and well, yeah, that's kinda sucks. The thing is, like one thing, I really liked and I learned about studying the Vietnam war know that like war Lord of the rings. It's very different, but Vietnam, war, specifically like full metal jacket. It's a movie about, there's no, there's not one famous star in that movie because they didn't want to glorify the the, the war. Yeah. And with this is kinda like they do have they do have the luxury of having heroes and people having her ROY deaths. And so I always feel like sometimes if a catcher, so hated the only way they get redemption is the diahorrea death and to some thing like, oh, this person. I really like it. I guarantee you, they're not going to do you, like, yeah, because that's just how TV is, it's how the world is like, well, this show this show also like I what I was saying is that this show was like this show like the Walking Dead were joke together of, like, don't get attached. This. How about if it does better? Get some Kleenex, but this show and Walking Dead. We're definitely the they were basically, they almost started at the same time to where it was like. Well, you might not want to get attached because that character dies a terrible terrible. Interesting thing watching it all in a string because. Because I had the view of like I can't get attached ever. I had no time to think about the characters, you know, forward thinking years, calling, I gotta go. I gotta go sorry. Little shout out to my friend, Deb. She was over last night, while I was like I have to watch, you know season for. I was on season. Eight thankfully, but yeah, I finished it like. Don't wanna talk you finished. I finished. And she was like, oh, man you're in for a doozy. You're, you know, you're going to have trouble sleeping tonight. And I just like deadpan stare to her and said, no, I won't she was like I have no motion. I was like, I don't feel anything anymore. Everyone everyone I cared about died or has lived a horrible. I y should I care, I don't care anymore because they're either going to die or they're not gonna do nothing. I mean that's Ivan Drago rocky four, they die, or they were, but for me favorite sequence or favorite part of the entire series definitely bell. The bastards I think bala- bastards is fucking phenomenal. I know it's a lot of contention battle Helm's deep and I'm not gonna say Belgium. He was less than it by liked it more. I'm not saying they're better or worse. But I'm saying for me. I like those who don't know that as Lord of the rings as Lord of the rings. And this gets highly compared to it all. That's yeah. But it's hard to compare it was. I mean it was a feat. Yeah. Cell from a visual, STAN. I mean, like we're talking about feats, sock about longest night, fifty five days fifty five nights was it to ten thousand extras? Yeah. Ridiculous. Never done before. I think it's probably Guinness world record. But like I'm not here to like do a pissing contest. I'm just like what I like narrative the thing about TV shows compared to movies, and that's why I think it's unfair to compare the rings to game design Lord of the rings is a movie. You gotta tell the entire story in to our two and a half hours, three hours and then game of thrones like you get to have to five or ten minute long sequences, appeal just like looking down breathing because it means something right? Yeah. And that's the that's the, the trope in, in grace of TV. But then it's the thing that movies aren't like have a luxury. But the thing about TV, they don't get the, you know, two hundred million dollar budgets and game of thrones after like season five, they're like, hey, we had the fucking we had the clout, so we can get the budget. And then the seasons like a billion dollars Eason. So it's like things like that, where it's like you're not, there's a lot of luxuries, things aren't given. Yeah. And so it's like you can't really it's hard to compare the both both of them. I only thing that you can compare of game of thrones all ordering are the books, I would say, but one came after the other one, so they're standing on tons giants, but my. My favorite relationship would probably be Johnstone in aria, mainly because at the beginning, and talking like going off of the last episode of season. Eight. John snow was raised as someone who's the oldest stark who was raised as a bastard, who had no claim to land a wife had become a fucking nights watches, pretty much boarding school for military kids, and it sucks. He had no claim anything even though he was raises start in net starts at you are stark at heart, you know, and the aria the same way aria was, you know, she wasn't sonza. So you didn't matter if she married anybody, and she was more of a tomboy, so no one gives shit about her, and rob, who's a second born son, who was like, yeah, you're going to be the one that takes over. Winter fell, you know, like these to outsiders, John and aria. Right. John aria like site, others equals. John is the only one that treater is equal and the best thing I really loved about episode two. Eight was at lake when they saw each other, and they hugged, it's like fuck. They've been through so much. They have like without each other. That's the thing. That's that's why it was. So, like, when they when they came together and sees an eight year like oh shit. They haven't seen each other. In seasons. Yeah. And like the cool. I mean just juxtaposition between John snow fucking targeting a what's, what's his real name gun Avon area, and sauna. It's like you're the lady of winter fill in, like they want me, as the ward or the Lord of winter fell, but you're the lady, and are like, yeah, we're just we're just are the same kids that grew up in fucking bronzes, this Astle, who finds brand bond brand his spawns everywhere, in winter fell quick traveled everywhere. Three eyed raven dude. Anyways. Yeah. I mean, that's I would say. My thing. By mean in terms of favorite characters probably -tarian overall overall favorite. Let me just register my shock about that one. All Tyrian varying any knows. And various because the things I liked it wasn't like the war heroes, because I mean like if they wanna go for the best warriors, probably call drug. All right. Or Jamie laster but, like Tyrian you know, he pushes the show. He has the funny thing to say, but also like he susceptible to change various very just like so self righteous in a good way. Right. He only serves around, even if it cost him his life, and I just fuck what about will. What's you're like, okay is my shows. Three preseason eight I would say undoubtedly oh, my favorite cared about this. My favorite character was Jamie Lancaster. Yeah. I think the fact that they took a character who in the first episode pushes a child out of a window after being caught having insist use relations things than sues the things you do for love the things you do. And then we, we ended up loving him like towards the end of the series. I mean he's like wise like as being redeemed, and he's, you know, he saved the cash doing the right thing, everyone. That's watching and listening. Tommy Pocahontas live action. That's John Smith. He's a little older now. But god. All right. She's last face on my best sexiness. He's a pretty man. He's a sexy. He's an I mean, it must be really unfortunate be so good. Looking. Still pulled real hard. I to me, I kind of really liked the way his his ended because he'd you because he thinks he reverts back. And this. This is about this whole season. Eight the all revert back to the self prophecy of. Yeah. He's going to do x y and z for C, and it's like fairs is going to do or the fuck. It takes X. Let me ask are you familiar with the do you remember the, the witch that gave the prophecies busy about her? No, not that one. The one who told Susie better children. Yeah. When they were little kids, so far. Look, let's talk about explain it. Well, there's her prophecy, that you will have three children gold will be there, crowns, gold will be there shrouds. There's another part to that prophecy. That's in the book that they took out of the show, which known as the Vallon car prophecy, which is that you will die with the hands of the Vallon car wrapped around your pale. White throat, Fallon car means little brother, old Valerian. So everyone thought that meant Tyrian, but the interesting thing is that Jamie was born slightly after Sirsi Esser oldest. So I was waiting for Jamie to choke searching this out. That's I want all say what that was like, I wanted to die in the same less dignified way of shame because this, she killed me Sunday, and I was like you know what? Like she, she's the one that did not deserve die. And it's like if felt so wait, I'm sorry. What? Who, who did not deserve? Gree. Worms misawa. Oh. Sunday. You didn't say that name. Sound like you said, sir. Yeah. Killed me Sunday missile. Kill me Sunday heard killed me Sunday. Oh my God. I'm just going to let him do it. So he drops his ice cream Sunday. But like she's the one that did not desert. But as me it's kind of, like all right. Let's like domino has dropped like let's see. Grey worm fucking ham shit. Let's see Danny. I'm cool with that. But it's like God. It's like Colson dying vendors. It's like he did not deserve die. But it's like right. We're gonna see the vendors assemble, you know what I'm saying? Like there's a catalyst for things. And that's the one thing I love about Georgia are Marne in that he talked about in an interview or a, a it seems that you like to kill your characters zany character easier to kill. He said, there's not one character I like killing even Ramsay Bolton. I didn't like killing because he loves all his coaches, and they're all really just misunderstood and they all right in their own mind, and he's not. Ramsey Ramsey pretty much got treated the same way that he treated wreak. That's why he's the way he is. And that's the thing it's nature nurture like wonder that guys. It's like, yeah, he projects the same evil, that's been putting his life. All he's been growing up. He's grove as a bastard. No land. Same thing. It's, it's pretty much showing the other side of Jon snow of, like if you got treated terribly as child, you would become a Rainsy bowl, or you become a Jon snow who's like to righteous to fucking do anything his life, but he joined our wind sets like I love taking away the things that matter the most to characters. Because what you do you take away. Jamie Lancers hand you take away the love is life you take away his night. You take away all these things, and what you have you have this character who has to persevere and giving all those senses. If you take Danny who has entitled ideology, like, I'm the one that has the throne, take everything that matters most to her. This is what you get. And it's like I'm cool at baby. I don't know the. What kind of your are you? It's like seeing Jamie, and sir c BT dubs. Spoiler. Thank you, Bonnie at the beginning, dying the way that they did did me wrong. I let me speak. Tom just add a. For two reasons. I just I mean I I get Jamie's thing about his devotion, and whatnot, but him dying like that answer C dine like that certainly deserved less far worse. Yes. Understand far worse. And that's why it was like, because we always laugh, Bonnie. And I, we always laugh when we're watching a show. And there's just a really terrible character shoreline land. Don't worry. They're going to get their come up. She did not get her come up. Yes, she on the hands of died with Jamie. She I'm like, okay, that's got to die in the hands of mercy. And that's like a I'm a hundred Jamie deserved Sirs deserted. I way worse again. I wanted more of dignifying Lee stripping away, but Jaime, I think deserve that really well too. Well, I think he deserved better. For him to die from a draft. I'm like, okay. But Brian today, it sucks. Because I torment same thing. It's hopefully, I, I like this douche, and then as a show went on. You're like, oh, damn he saved the cat. This is a cool character. He's redeemed himself this and he may Brin night. Yeah. So to see him go that way like Jamie. My man, no walkaway. You know, just walk away. I mean say no not to get too, like personal about a bit. Like I feel like that's really reality. I feel really bad as saying it's like even the best people that you had the most hope for that's been through the most stuff, like a lively might make wrong decision, the revert back to their like baser instincts, and it sucks to see that. But like in reality in life. Everyone at home fucking try and be like Jerry Springer the final thoughts, but it's like I fucking experience way too much. And it's like it's really sucks. And that's why to Kaelin point where it's like a die, they don't die because people are going to become be who they are. And, like various will die to his to his fault because he's trying to serve the realm. Speaking of someone reverse reverting to their, you know, who they are, as far as Jamie. Did you notice that in and I was really upset about this in? I think it was episode five we're chops off his arm. Season. Eight episode five where he's talking to tear in before Tyrian said some free, and they're talking about how Jamie, you know, saved the people of king's landing from the mad king burning them alive. Jamie says I never much cared for them, innocent, or otherwise, when everything about his character up until this season has been about he sacrificed, everything to save the people of king's landing because. Yeah. Did care about those innocent care about his home in that sense. Yeah. Well cared about the people like he killed the king. He broke his lemme just kind of be referee for a second. We're going to be get blowing the whistle everybody. Homa blowing. My referee once we, we'll be getting to the qualms soon very well. And there will be qualms. Yeah, will wait a jump. There will be junkets rogue on his first episode. Oh dang, jump the drug. Just gotta wait home is coming. So you did say favorite parts of the show favorite character. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Did we favorite character? The only went into it. So favorite sequence VI relationship am favorite character. Favorite character. We'll go back to us favorite character. I think I'm the same. I really just loved here in. He was another one that had a redemption face like a redemption thing. Our face at first, we were like, oh, this guy, he just drinks a knows things. But now I mean he saying some shit that you're like doom began because he, he learned from various, you know, it's like to. I mean, I really was a rob stark fan, the red wedding happened. I was like, oh, I unfortunately that was actually kind of that was spoiled for me, because people that read it, and all they said, was like I just want you to know, don't get a test. The red wedding sucks. I'm just gonna leave that and go. Thank you. Thank you, actually was not super attached them because I was like fucking John hiding bond stors. Yeah. John's cool and all. But I don't know. I got I liked I think you're with raw because it's like Humana promised to marry this bitch. Why is he now with the woman, he loves the moment? He can't marry the woman who love. His mind. I was like you're fucked. This game of thrones. Well, no, I unfortunately I had an inkling I was like shit, dude. You're doing with royalty, and you're dealing with Finch. You're dealing with all these different jokes. You're dealing with you dealing with all these things. I don't know. Man. You might have fucked up pretty hard real bad real bad. What about you? Favorite catcher was are. Yeah. Just because she she changed so much. She was very proud and had to get rid of a lot of that. But still kept it. To avoid no gain super into a rant or he's gonna rant now. But I wanna ask you, what do you think about people who are saying, she's a Mary, sue? I don't think that's percents. I'm to place. You went Mary sue is right now. Mary insert a-. Mary sue is kinda like apply people say about like female characters of Mary, sue a female name, Gary, Stu Saint, it's pretty much a character that had gone through note of element. And just pretty much ex mocking every are, you know. Right. Not at all. No, she didn't lose her is, she didn't fuck and see her family die. She didn't do we say to the God of death not today and like she didn't all this shit, and she'll Nike air circling. Mary, sue, like. Now's like shut season has been the most polarizing of it has been the internet is a strong beast. Let can we get into Qualls? No, none at. She's young. Okay. I'm sorry. I'm so sorry. Okay. Yeah. Aria just because like, she, she did go through a lot. She went through everything. She went through, like her family being taken away being -ducted kind of Princess, I she was she. I mean. She was she beat the Joffrey. Yeah. Right. But, but she she did have this like she was very proud. She's like, I'm not a lady. Very air again and slowly, but surely that got chipped away she, but it was replaced with confidence, because she's like I know exactly what I am. I know exactly what you are killer, and I'm going to kill you, many not I've. Yeah. And it makes them to me it made the most sense that she killed the night, because she's like, what are we say to the God of not? Not to end. It makes sense for her character to the way the show ended because I get what was recent, but she doesn't fit in the world as it is. Now the way that she is like she can't be royalty. She can't be any sort of like she's like the highest order of the knights. Yeah. To me. But even then she works in the shadows, and combat also white means that she could sneak in and kill him without any of those Zomba's knowing because if she if she could, like assume different identities and sneak around, and kill people in basically broad daylight, kill all of the like, you know what's his face films? The phrase if she could kill entire house of phrase. Is it really that big of a deal to like kill the night king, when he's really not focused on anything, but ran and all he did was just raises hand raise more debt. That's all he that you didn't see any fighting prowess outta them, especially the fucking our garbage. Just like you know fucking long caller, mid level management. Nothing. But yeah, so are you rice. Nice. Nice, so your favorite character. Yeah. Jamie, jamie. Oh. Season. Eight I'm not Jamie. So I'm fucking Tyrian Tyrian, okay. So Cuomo Cuomo homes, qualms this one. This is hard. I mean is from this season and for the show. Yeah, I mean for this show I, I mean, again, I'm not gonna put my name on that petition or anything, I think this silly, it's done. It's like they had to do what they had to do that petition from Tron legacy, guys know petition to remake which westjet I the petition. Snyder cut. I signed it. I just I have a problem with I have a problem, two things in, in entertainment culture, and they are bashing things that have already come out in terms of like, oh, get this remade. Newsflash. It's not going to happen that shit was been in production for years. And when people bash something that hasn't come out, yet you haven't seen it. So you have no say so with this one this season, it was hard it was hard to watch in terms of seeing for as long as that. We have seen everything unfold. Just joy for. Yeah. Seven years, and this one it it there were some plot points and stuff that were really rushed that were like, all right. We gotta get to the singing, and we're done. Six of those. It was a hindrance. Yeah. And it's like, yes, some of the episodes were an hour and a half, and it's like thirty minutes isn't that much? We need it for we needed more. And like some people have said, like in our discord server shout. Al joined nation, somebody mentioned, you know, having ten episodes, would've even helped, I'm not so sure there were some things, there was some unfoldment the long nights, and we'll the long night a word looking at the long. Along along night would have been to episodes, the, the bells in two, and then we had the I mean, especially with Danny like Danny herself, like I've known from the beginning that she was probably going to go Cray, fifty shades of Cray, totally lung. Crazy. It was just the, the, the quickness of it, that I would have preferred maybe even more a couple more episodes of like did she say what she? Yeah. She totally says she was gonna kill fear. Yeah. Like it was just like boom, boom, boom, she's Cray is a light. Switch out now. She's gonna kill everybody. Equal didn't do anything. Cho's. Asunday meson. Meson sunday. She died in just one day, and she broke which I can get if somebody that you care about, as well as knowing that John spilled the of course. I mean it's like everything that she's been working in hand. Doesn't trust her. Yeah. It's, it's a lot of things. Yeah. No matter what a lot of all happening one episode. Yeah. That's why people feel like oh, shit because we don't get it's the same a lot of people talk about ban- versa, man. There's not a lot of breathing room to feel like, oh I understand. I get it. It's happening right now. This is the exact feeling a happy, a light switch, where it's like this happen. So I immediately think this instead of reflection of things. We're like it took John snow, a long time to understand, like, oh, people above the wall are actual people. Yeah, it happened just pork in one one of them. So figure that out. I mean as a show itself as the as the whole show of game of thrones the only the only qualm that I had was. I mean funny enough. Reversing my qualm about. Is that some of the season's just seem to drag where nothing happened in your like, why am I watching this? And then this one, you're like I would have preferred if you take that time and put it towards that I felt like I want to jump on that real quick. So we can save time for the episode. I feel like aria gained to Dorn took four ever. Yeah. Four and her being blind for or ever. Yeah. And I was like God get over it like let's get there. And then just like get her to be the bad ass that we know she's going to become. Yeah. But I mean, I think that's mainly in terms of like how I agree with, like, yes. Some episodes are season definitely drag because I felt like to me like I make the joke Lord of the rings about a movie about two people walking, and that's the movie and it's like, oh, get there, just yet there. And like they say in spaced skip to the end like just get there. And but I mean like Jamie brand and all stuff like all these things were happening. But, you know, certain things that I would like people were having. Yeah, but this one it was like, I would have the sad thing is like in who knows of, if any of this is true as it's like where you hear like, oh, we would have done more episodes, or we like would occasion coulda woulda coulda shoulda and it's like it's been eight years. People are over it. No, actually it's been more than that. And it's been more than eight years yet eight seasons. But it's like they had, there's human dealings. There's human beings involved. There's people that careers are starting to go pass TV it's been an I'm a human being. I understand the entertainment industry. When when chances come along, it's like do it. I mean Star Wars movies, come gag Zack. I mean there there have been what three people who've acted in the role of the mountain. There have been three in the same dragon writer that she supposed to, like have steamy hot monkey sex with and one of them's fucking Francis. Oh, yeah. Oh, Dr changed three times. Actor for Dario. Yeah. Yeah. Change multiple times because I thought it was just once I think it was like two times, probably. Well, maybe it's once because over here and whole, I'll I'm willing to be wrong Bundy and brunette Darrow. So yeah, it it was just there's a little bit. There's an understanding but there's also kind of the throne in me. That's like the I just I wish some more time would have been spent. I wouldn't even have even if you took another two years to give me another season, I wouldn't have been mad. You gave me two years now I had to wait for this one, and I'm watching it, why I wouldn't have minded the link. The one thing I'll say to that point like this season has definitely felt like again, it's the plotters panther thing. The thing about this season. It's shown such more of a cinematic draw than I've ever seen before. Like the way they wreck focused between things the way that they show perspectives between the people that aren't like the make a lot more wide shots in terms of like, in the in the last episode. There is a shot of drug on and John coming to meet Danny for the scene. And the it's just it's not a silhouette. You can see them, but it's almost a silhouette. It's almost like I thought about endgame when captain. And that bleak Panos it's just like an empty battlefield. But you see all this, this destruction behind John and like drug on just kind of meeting him and you're like it, there was a, there are a lot more beautiful like a little bit more symbolically with that scene specifically drug on burning, the iron throne drogue on kind of embodies, the same rage like audience should feel at the same time of like things should not have been the way they were. But then the rage of how we were, and how we kind of project that on people of king's landing and all that stuff. Again, these are the same people who wanna nets are shopping doesn't need a die, and everything. He's walk spoiler. But he will present. I'm gonna catch him in a movie matter. He's making kill him. But. I have a question, because it was kind of a qualm. Okay. But maybe I don't understand the lore and maybe somebody else does will will will will will. So the dragon the dragons? She gave birth. I thought he was fucking awesome that he burnt the throne he melted the throne. Totally cool sought coming. The throne would be just basically destroyed some point. I just didn't understand the decision in it because I was like not that I want to be little dragon's or their consciousness. But how. Like Intel my dogs love me. They can do smart things every now, and then I really, they're the great, you know, them, you've while I love them. Name is drug on vizier. And then Walker one. Yeah. Zombie dragon samba. But they haven't given me the information that I would need to know to understand why it would make that decision. So it was a cool moment, but you gave me, no logic to follow. You don't see enough of the sentence. Yeah. I, I would say, I see some emotion them over the course of the show. You see that, but you see that in all animals, I think will correct me if I'm wrong because when I was dating the girl that I was dating and she was talking about, like, Danny has to figure out who's gonna be her writers and the, the dragon has to choose. And so there is that in quote unquote, like intelligence, they have, but they don't do that. Well in the show. Yeah, they, they kind of avoid talking about dragging lower at all in the show, and they also take things from the books and break other rules like it's supposed to be the dragon scales are so thick. They can't be pierced by any metal whatsoever, but that would make big crossbow years as giant air, look at my big crossbow. Yeah, the scorpions. Exactly. But dragons are supposed to be very intelligent. They're supposed to. But to me that does that conversation like an emotional decision that was made. Right. Yeah. To me that was more like that was a fuck decision like, yeah, I can't have the throne. Nobody I kind of and I'm gonna try to like, create some anthropomorphic Asian person vacation on these dragons like and I'm gonna make an assumption. Danny is a fucking sleep talker. And when they were sleeping when she was trashy pose. Knowing that this. Fucking died us like that Danny Dyer for this thrown in, what would it bring everybody death and destruction? And to me again, I'm jumping a lot of making, but like consciousness there, even to the point, they're making that on Mike? You haven't given me on if we took this show, I would be like you have no evidence and I have this. Yeah, what am I supposed to do with that? I think mainly because I since dating a girl who read the books saying, how dragons again, how are little bit more intelligence. Like I definitely think that the dragon has some kind of connection bond decide how the dire wolves bond to start. They're supposed to be like psychic connection where dragon writer is, bonded to that. Dragon for life. And they don't need to physically control them where they want Greg into go. Yeah. Yeah. And in fact that Danny cool. Dan? He's been so connected drogue on, again, knowing that her intentions to have this done like, we get that shot, where her hand is touches one of the, the hilts of a sword. And smile closer face a colored. On her faces fucking lit up as it summer day. She's around by ash, and what happens? She dies because of its drug on. It's. You know, he's not going to burn. He can't burn. He can't burn Jon snow. Yeah. He's going to survive. So he destroys the thing that she wanted the most, like I, totally okay with the dragon being that smart. They didn't show. They just didn't give me evidence to support where I win my immediate. With thing was like that's cool. But why how to me it felt like something that, would, you know, come up in the writer's room like? Well, we gotta have the dragon meltdown the thrown. How are we going to get there? I don't know. Just do it. Yeah. I didn't like that choice personally. But yeah, it was a cool image. How about your qualms will, I know you definitely gotta chock full of them. So we. Yeah. No. I, I really enjoyed it. And he goes. Yeah. Exactly. Well, rector necked it was a I thought it was a good season. I mean as far as I was made and I notice as far as how it was made. Good. I did notice a lot more cinematic right from the beginning. You know, more like watching a movie than watching show. But they just abandoned so much that I mean I could go down a list of like what's up with the iron Bank? You know, like things that just will never be mentioned again, there, why there wasn't enough time or it just doesn't matter. And, you know, all of the magic in the world is sort of, like it, you know, it was a major, major party plot and eight just like did my middle middle end of the show, like huge. Also just dropped off political drama. Yeah, exactly. It felt very much like just a story about human beings near the end which, I mean, okay, I'm fine to that. I'm cool with. Like how they handled the Braun getting his castle, like this has been a joke for seasons of him getting this castle that he's promised for this debt Bron. And in the end, he's in the like the council meeting keep, and they're like, okay, this person the head of this house, and blah, blah, blah. And you're like. Okay. Okay. Wait. A phone it in like yeah. He got his castle. But now he wanted more pomp and circumstance. Because you've been so invested I mean, especially his character is, and he's not great guy, you know, as a mercenary also Sam, getting to be a Maistre that was just kinda like. Oh, look he's got his chain. I liked that a lot because I'm gonna like this. These are the logical choices I would want this for that person. I wanted that for that for me, I was kind of like there's a lot of like self Illing stuff. Like I would want this person be this this person to be there. There was that, and like, oh, shit, the guys like the blackout to the last scene or not the last scene. But the, the blackout time passes like we don't know how much a weeks, wakes months, where it would have been nice to have a couple extra episodes to just like send the stagnation of the world's stagnation, like see the aftermath of the people view politics now too, because that it changed. Dress today, went to democracy. Yes. Crecy everyone laughed. It was like no. But I mean to that point, like, I really liked how, like people got XYZ the things that they wanted. Yeah, but, like, yeah, I get the, the of Braun didn't get the fucking castle. He was promised. He didn't get costly rock. Yeah. And it's like whatever. But like I mean high gardens way, better Castle Rock, his mind out. There's no more gold. They're sure to castle. All the agriculture for the whole round basically like. That's why he was like, oh, we did help dad granny squares. Wow. Wow. Wow. Okay. Anyway, so other qualms sir. Sir billion. No. No pretty. Injury. Not knowing his own name. Explain it for everyone at home. All right. So Guenrikh gets referred to as Gandhari rivers in season. Eight yeah. Episode, I believe four just after running this art, and eight point bastards born in his region are known as waters, not rivers. And he also wouldn't have even had a bastard, last name because he was not considered a bastard, because he was a secret. Bester. Can I ask you could you give me like even if it's not all of them? What are the bathroom as for different regions? Sanders sand. There's snow there's waters. Oh my God, there's airs and then there's lands. And then there's more, but it's been so water. So who's born great joy ish. We've been watering people, right? Yeah. I think they're what's Bolton Bolton there snow. They're in the it's about your like region like the river lands on. And that's, that's basically 'cause it was that was in season, eight that happened, right? Yes. So that's kind of the basis of my qualm news. Just too many loose threads. Yeah, exactly the Starbucks Cup. Okay. Not that big of a deal not that big deal at all. But the amount of attention that they paid ending like in the first several, they started to be like his, you know, how I hyper focus on the tiniest MO. Oh, on people's faces amazing context by the by Zam look up the episode. He's not even on the faces on the neck. Yeah. Wow. The you'll understand. No. It's that minute instance silly anyway. I was paying attention to all the things happening in the background because I'm like this is one of those shows where one thing in the wrong place will ruin the immersion and for seven seasons. I noticed nothing. That's nothing. Right. But did they did a good enough? Job did you see the Cup from earlier season? Yeah. There is a Cup from an earlier, Jamie last or. Yeah. But toiling Starbucks he's holding it because everyone's has their hands crossing looking the Fuxing on the throne. He's got a Cup and his hand. Wow. And it's a Starbucks Cup look at me this enough. And I'm gonna say this is like goofs and it or whatever. And that's fine. But the pay so much immersion, they were small enough earlier that I didn't notice. But if there, if there were any things I didn't notice them because they didn't matter. And then at season eight there were so many things I felt like it was noticing it everywhere, because even all the blood will say look like raspberry jam near the end. I would say so mad about deniro dying, because it was the cleanest CG blood I've ever seen. I would say like this we didn't know Jamie's Cup is because you're not looking at his hands. The point of focus in the frame is not people's hands. It doesn't matter if the pen is green on the table in one shot and blue on the table. Of the next. Let doesn't matter. I'll say like what Danny and the Cup in that specific is that what's between you? And Danny is a Cup, right? Like so your focus is on Danny's face. But the first thing you're gonna see a Cup and that's why in terms that they're gonna be continuity errors everywhere. X y and z, but wherever the cameras trying to point focus, too. If the first thing you see is something continental air, that wise become so glaring. Right. So I again, I understand continuity errors happen. Like it's fine that they happen. But there were there were more things both in frame and in story that didn't match anymore. And that's where season eight kind of let me down. I mean McGrew one of those things too, is like Jenn. Gary Kendra Gandhi as a character he. Really quick side tangent. It's not Starbucks hashtag support local businesses called paper Cup. Titanic district in Belfast checking out. All right. The real I've actually been there. Paper cup. If you want to sponsor this episode lesson. So Gary, as a character, I mean, he was a character that I really felt was slept on in a sense. They made him seem so important at the beginning, they put a lot of focus paraffins pastor. They in the early in early seasons. They, they even made like in one of the finale of the show, they were showing his escape from king's landing and whatnot during one of the never, then we didn't hear from him about him for a while, like a season like BT dubbed. This is what's going on. But even when he did come up it wasn't like plot like going forward. It was just like, hey, there's this guy like there was nothing. He's basically not as important as it made it seem. And it makes me think that they were like this guy's going to be important. It's going to never mind. I'm over it. So it's like that's, that's probably like an season eight and a overall kind of like. Can I jump on that shore? And I think this will be my only qualm actually for the show in itself, like the, the show falls on a lot of whoever has claimed the throne and based on houses, and based on politics. Whatever you like to believe, like, is it the person that killed the person that's on the throne? That gets the claim to the throne or is the person's child that gets Clinton thrown right? Yeah. And is it bloodline or is it based on battle, and merit, and XYZ and actually kind of will connect this to animate because I'm fucking that guy with there's a show in the world called you haka show, and may belt this boy who like world that goes into the spirit world, and like has to fight demons and like, oh, humans can fuck you find he's a fucking demon and it's like what's the point so that it was going to watch it? We will. This. Was on my list with, with that. It's like cool. John snow is going to be this guy who has no claim to the throne and he's a wolf. But then they end up making him just like he's Jesus. He's actually Jesus. He's actually the best of all worlds and he's a dragon and he's a wolf and he's a night watch. And he's a war hero and is nothing wrong with everything there's no fault to him. There's no like there is no mistaking. The fact, the only character flaw, he has is that he doesn't want is the his so redeeming it hurts. Yeah. And that's the thing that I think kills me where it's like again, dri, where it's like he's a Braff does that mean he kind of has claimed that they're on because so far, the show has been, like, Danny has the biggest claim because she's like, no, your fucking dad die like a bitch and breath and took the throne. So all breathy and should be the king. Right. You have a thing about, like the like the house like if you're a tar Garin, or what are having the throne or your this is the other thing about season, eight that was kind of like a. In the final episode him being even if he didn't want it. I don't give sharia it or a John. It didn't come up all. That's what tearing that's Theriault MO the entire time was like it's not sure choice like buck you on sullied. It's not your choice. But I guess my thing is it's like the information didn't matter at all. And it was almost for the last three episodes. The most important we didn't mean to we didn't in the end the events that transpired. Didn't rely at all on. Well, I guess, I guess one could say that because she knew she was he was he was going to die at some point. But she was buttering them up like I, I don't know like who knows. Maybe she is Cray, maybe she would have tried to maybe love him into who said it was your shell anybody like. Yeah. And Sheree tried that. He said, anything said something and Tyrian said like she will always see as a threat. Yeah. And like no matter how much she loves you. She'll see it just didn't seem as big of a deal as they were making that was they made things smaller than the way that they originally presented them absolute consistently throughout the season. I mean, the biggest reveal in the entire first seven seasons was John's parentage. I mean he is the song. Head of ice and fire episode area devoted to the past of who he possibly could be in the fan theories that have been going on for years, O decades act. I mean since the book. Yeah. People have been theorizing about John's, and then it was just kind of like. Next. Seem very I think what happens is it gets. Very just mic. Mitigated gets really minimize to the character and not to the world. It's like more of like that truth is only going to weigh on John, and Danny. Yeah. There's that truth that, like, John mass public doesn't know John doesn't give a fuck about it. But, like Danny does. And that's what's going to pretty much possessor to do what she does is true. But like is things like that were like to me. One of the things I really was fucking looking forward to it and everything things going to die, when we were talking about the show, then like, oh, what if the house like? No, how can't die he has to fight his brother. And when that happened was like it's kind of full circle, but it's like I didn't really feel like the hound group before he fought him. I didn't feel the mountain was really built up. Like you just knew that he kind of came back from the dead, but she didn't know what really happened to him. So it felt to me like very like, well, he just yeah, they have to fight, and I don't even know if they're even have to fight, and then they die, and you're like, okay, yeah. To me, it's like I would have wanted to hound like, what happens after he kills his brother. Yeah. Right. Like I love those stories of revenge of like you live for revenge. But what happens when you exact revenge? What do you really live for what the end that, that, that guilt of, like, I don't have a real life because the revenge has been my life, and they ultimately kill themselves because that's what happens because poison in your veins revenge. And it would want to see the hound deal with that or like make it a little bit more about like the hound is not such an asshole, because it just did not show that aria and the hound gave real shit about, they had a respect, but they just didn't give a shit about. I mean she invited him said, you know, he was just ready to give up and die the battle the long night. But then because he was a little aria was endangered. I mean because a little girl, she doing more than you. Boy. It's like I'm afraid. Wasn't she's doing more than you. It was. Tell her that death is unbeatable. That that's what kept him going. Subtext. Subtexts. Subtext was still running for which is actually one of my favorite scenes of entire series is the library sequence. It's fantastic. Very four. It's a whole. Any other qualms well to wrap that up. I just wanted to say I mean, it basically all the qualms kind of fall into your quality of like a lot of loose threats season, had a lot of loose threads and threads that were kind of like. Gonna put this which I think actually put this over here is a, you know, sh plugging are other show, trope time. It's trope of TV shows actually happens a lot that we're like it's really it's really fucking hard like, especially George are Mearns writing. Oh, absolutely. Just button, everything up. And you know if they got to seventy percent of all the buttoning up, we would have been a little bit more TV shows. That's like, but what about sh? Just because I'm curious how did you guys think it was going to end? So I talked about mine before we recorded I wanted John snow. I wanted I wanted Jamie Lancer to kill Danny, because I'm like that guy got to areas in his life. And I wanna Joe John to be like, he's the king while with this piece out an interior and be the fucking king of west rose because he was like the one that should be the king when it doesn't want it brand. Go eat a dick. He's like I'm always here and I know is no it's happening. But you don't like when he said it was, my, it was like it was something along the lines of. That's why do you think I came all this way? I'm like he. No. Is the character in a video game after you beat the boss just lets you know, you could block I fucking need to know that before I fought the guy do these things I need to know like two hours ago. And so, that's what brand is to me. But like it makes sense but I would have wanted. Jay seriously today, a much more dignifying Li like terrible way like dignified on dignified, like fucking drogue on throws her ass in the sky burns, says easer on for fucking life uses wings. Steph, where he and his brother fell into the fire, I would've actually would have loved to have seen certainly fall into fire. I thing. I would've wanted public audience for that, though. Okay. You know what I need to see that you last fuck, and then Danny be like I guess you're is paid. Yeah. I mean it's I think that I. Dang pass. Doesn't have to be complete. It doesn't have to fully just what you kind of wonder. I've already said I mean I didn't really give a shit who got the throne. Really? It was just like I think the character that I would have wanted it that I think would have deserved at the most would have been John, but he didn't want it. So I wouldn't give it to him, or it's kinda like the it is one of those things that maybe that's who you want to be on the throne is the somebody that doesn't want to do it. So they're going to do the right self-assessment. Yeah. So I would've wanted the giants will be it with Danny in my mind. I had this like, kind of like fancy. We all fantasy were aria kilter. We're aria became the, the Queen killer at, like Jamie was the it was just a thing. It was like, oh, wouldn't that be cool? I would say season one and two game at thrown. I would've wanted Danny thrown. You know, I was like, wow, all the way back then, you know what I'm saying like she is going to fight for the good people and all the ex. Oh, you mean her character from them? Yeah. Yeah. She could have been a good, so many things like on. Yeah. She went to the Cray. Let's see. Yeah. I mean. Yeah. Same thing, sir. See dying a horrible horrible death, Jamie. I would've I were would've wished that. He wrote off into the sunset and with yes, and everything would have been fine torment, which there is still a chance. There is there the live. Give me a glass of milk is the bay. Well, I'll say in a minute. Would you say I kinda wanted Brandon Padres to be together? She was traced him. But, like grew up. I don't know. You wanna Anna concert Korea, and it can Skywalker and gender got together. And they had like a decent size age gap, as remind me who Patrick was Padre is the do that wire. He's the master of travels. He he's a travel agent. He wasn't the sex, God, he wasn't very he picked up tea rose after though when he became her squire he had to have been like eighteen twenty something like that. So then by the time he's like a full night. He's probably in his thirties. I'm saying right now me as a twenty seven year old, there's an eighteen year old he's like it'd be do just want to say that my wife is taking this personal. K padre. After all of that, not saying that, like, any sort of romance should've started, but, like, as they got to know each other, and like, you know, the kind of equals, and they run parallel with each other. I think that they might have been a good pair for each other because of the like. What, what was the explanation of, like you don't find like romance is not like some hidden city. It's a it's an open plain that you find to build land on a letter romances, afield, actually. Yeah. Kind of. And I feel like they would have been a cute couple in their own way. I think torment would have been a little too infatuated because he had Brienne on too much of a pedestal and wouldn't have seen her as a person more of wow. Some call it love it as a pedestal fanaticism a little bit how. Okay. So how I thought things were going to end based on all of the fired lowered. And whatever all those things that were happening. Yes. Tom if she want that loyalty true. You're like royalty. It's gone fair. Okay. But I actually. Base on Mela Sandra's being like there's the promised whoever the hell alone, light. We're going promise. Prince that was promised, you know. The prophecy being fulfilled. And she has this moment where she looks at aria through the end, and I was like, oh, man, she slept with Kendra. I wonder if she's gonna have his kid, and then rush scar what Scott? And then she kills the the night king, so, like she saving all of mankind, basically. So that would obviously endear her to the people, so and then she also doesn't want the throne, I like, and she could break the wheel, the deniro was talking about because she would be the one in power Genry would basically be like they're there in name, but not really ruling she would be ruling, and she would be changing the whole dynamic of what a Queen is supposed to be therefore, equalizing the like weird gender thing. 'cause even at the end there were so, like how women all I mean. I mean the women aren't people all tell my dog and horse to vote. I mean that, that prophecy again, that brandings, hey Ned, we have a son. I have a son Joyner houses. Everything in a boat. The end aria to be the Queen, and forgive me to be her king, and they have a kid, which is the promised from the beginning because Barath Ian stark were married in the beginning, and they were supposed to have a kid, but they didn't because at tiger and asked his real good that was another one of those strings that they were like. And. I'll say before the thing also sorry, but the horse shows up out of nowhere after all the fire flames, whatever. And she will, she rides it out, or somewhere, basically, but that was another thing of, like, is this, the like far Lord, providing her with, like a kind of a chosen one, and I wanna make sure that you're safe sorta deal. So they're kept being all these things that made me be like, is are gonna end up being the cleaner. Some we're and then also sorry I had all these theories going on. But also that drogue on let John in knowing that he was going to kill, Danny, and that John was still gonna return to night's watch, but then brand and drogue on, we're going to go back into the wilds way in the north and all the freemen not to, like, the, the children are gone now and also the, the night kings are all gone. To the night, king, and his generals are all gone there last. Yeah. The leaf people are gone because they got murdered by their own creative a fucking Jesus, so drogue on brand. Or like the last missing magic creatures, right? Would make sense of fulfill. The prophecy of you won't walk ever again. But you'll fly so it makes sense if he and drogue on join forces drug onto care brand brand would like make sure that drug on what safety, but imagined UD of being able to watch show like recently all of that win. I would say this. I remember that kind of imagined that would happen. That'd be really hard to fuck untidy other. Oh im- almost impossible, like you have to have another season. Well, what if it said magic needs to leave the world? And so the last vestiges of magic are leaving west roast dragon brand Lumine with us. Part of what I thought might happen, because like the last 'cause they washed away, magic basically end, and drug on was kind of like the last deal. And now they're kind of hunting for him. But if branded gone off with drug on they wouldn't be looking for them because they'd be like, oh, the three raven they're gonna see this coming a mile away. Will you read the books? Yeah. The first the first few from what I was told second hand from the girl, I did she say, like when the dragon ex hatched thousand releasing magic back in the world. Well, yeah, it was and win the, the red comet everyone, which is a sign of dragons, that was the birth of magic back into the world. And that's been magic beforehand. Right. Yeah. And that's why the people at the house of the dying. Remember the people with the blue lips and everything. Yeah. That was there. They suddenly did have magic powers again because dragons and so like for me, it's like this would show again, it shows an end of one era, the beginning of another. So I mean to me, I like the idea like there's the ghost and is what happens at the children that happens after the game of thrones. And I. So I was going to say was I after after we watch I'm. Holy down for a show. That's purely about aria. Oh, yeah. And like maybe thirty years later, like shows magic coming back on the world. Yes, I was laughing because the I totally forgot about it, because I watched the seasons with the red comment so long ago at this point, but the red comet happened. And then, you know that point at sunset where the sky gets kind of orange red magic done. There was like those plane trails, like jet trails, and it was like in a perfect line that looked like a comet and the sunset made it look like a red comet going through the sky. And it was like holy shit amazing dragons. Starting. Here quite well. I was gonna I was gonna take the lead and say, we're gonna wrap this up 'cause we talk from Clive hours. We could talk hours and hours and hours about game of thrones because it is hours and hours and hours. Subscribe rate slips life you on where I mean if you do one more episodes game through game of thrones game. Thrones of games and game of thrones. Yes. I mean I be open to it. Invite our friend will back be glad to have to continually eat. All Ian Corey soul to Guinea, our today. So now we're going to rate it Ray. And now we have a special rating system ish for this upset just for this episode. So Terry's versus season. Yes. So let's do for the season season season for. So there's no votes on Josh. So you have to go, I there's one vote on will one voting Kaylynn to votes on me. Okay. So I feel I and we're doing season season just for season. Eight man shoot one out of five five being, I would not change a thing about it. It's not that shoot. I'd probably give it a three point five. Okay. They went five will and Ceylan choose wisely. Can we do have points or just he's at five oh for sure? I think I would go. One point five one. Oh, that's maybe the lows, God down. Most we've ever had on the show caso three one. Oh my God. It doesn't really matter. It's your own personal scale, and how you wanna rape things that a one out of five so doesn't matter. So cleland. I feel bad about it. That's what yeah, exactly. I the the first thing that popped in my head was three point seven three point. I mean it was still beautiful. And, and it is still the show that it has always been just a little lazy. It's a four for me because this would let's say, let's say like this. I'm going to create the hypothesis. If this is the worst season of the show still better than some of the best season of oughta shows and to me, I'm like, what to share? This is one of the top shows entire world ever made. Yeah. And all my favorite shows ever was like a political drama. Yeah. So it's like I never saw dragon shit. Yeah. Yeah. Now for the series. No votes on me. No votes on will one vote on Josh three votes on Kaelin. So will and I should go for do you wanna go Shambo first series? I would give a four point eight four point. That one point five fucking dr- feel like if this season was like a three then you've been five right? If the season was, yeah. Probably okay so the season definitely not knocked down from a five. Exactly for me, the season series a four point seven, I say four point seven for me, like I think. Allocation to certain episode links and certain seasons would definitely have helped. Yeah. But other than that, like, damn baby. I'm like, that's the thing that's Woolworth neck and forget a lot of shit ever since game baby. I'm a start. You know, those kind of things like it's the Harry Potter, also a slithering. So. So one on Duggal snack. Yeah. For the series for the series, as a whole, and it's you can't use the last season as baggage. I mean heated will. That's true new, but he also gave it a four point eight. Hart said my God is four point five four point five point five. I'm starting to work in a system of just half points. I used to go like four point three seven six nine five but doesn't mean and then he hit me, and I was maybe I shouldn't do that anymore. You bend the knee. Calin with the three votes on you. What do you rate the series sewn who bins the show? For point. Eight. I really liked it loss from it, it was a four point five. Tally will as the grip of the season. Eight one point five joshes the grump of the series of four point either. Season one for season. And I voted for added VO free for the series. Not glum or often lately. Oh with higher numbers. Yeah. Joshua's. Cleo winter is like every musical does have Christopher guests. I don't know. Any? You talk bad about Don here. We are we have our Graham swill and Josh. If we had a grump crown with shared between us. Game of grumpy. Activity of thrown of your house. Just for a little thing. What do you think what, how would you be in? Hard. I my my heart with say I'd wanna be stark. Do you. Yeah, I could see you as a stark fucking got the beard for it already for the north. That's why I actually grow the spirit of giving. Have a two and five chance of dying. Yeah. For little like here and there it was Lancaster, where I was like purely for Jamie later seasons. Lancaster, and even Tyrian later stint slam Kaelin. What else do you think you'd be in its? Well, we'll approvals stars. You're the throne. Do you think she start? I mean I could see you as a stark your that was a. No. Never heard. You think tar Gary and don't you? I mean I could also see you as Terry. Atari. They're good. God's flip a coin. You got a chance being a great person. Shame. Receiving. Will of dark cloud. That ain't going on his shirt. Sinn chance. You might be good person. Wow. Will do you think? Thanks, okay for me. I always say, I, I think I fit in more with the Lancasters because I'm very like y'all got the last word and I was repeating my debts, and I'm trying to manipulate things, left and right. That's me. Or was the house literature makes oh house that he makes I it's because he doesn't have a house. Yeah. He gives me have a he makes out of out of out of the Ville. He ends up becoming the, the, the head of his own. How will he becomes the Lord of the veil? But he, I don't think he starts a house so that thing. So it'd be lotta they'll that's for me. You'd be loaded the veil because what do you think for that fits, well, or anything more fucking like breast milk? The combating kind of kind. Yes, sir. You could be lower the veil. But okay. What about you will? What do you think? You. I mean, I guess I could myself as a Lancaster, but I'm not the best repaying my debt. Maybe garin. Essien. I don't know three and four hunting explain a whole lot about Barath Ian, they do all in the show. They don't but there's a really cool shout to the YouTube channel screen prism. They do a whole video essay, every house and how it kind of reinforces. I love Taiwan Lancers ideology of the Lancasters. And so they do the same thing with the brands and the stars like the starch are like super loyal. And like they had this really like all the different senses of Justice, and righteousness, like and Johnston is the most faulty, because like it will cause him to kill himself and kill people that don't need to be killed. And Barath like very like headstrong. They know what they're doing. They're like king of the hunts and stuff like that. It's it's there's a lot. There's just like this show. 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