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102 | Diet Culture Resilience and ED Recovery with Jayne Mattingly

Real Talk with Dana | Nutrition, Health

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102 | Diet Culture Resilience and ED Recovery with Jayne Mattingly

"Welcome back to the real talk with Dana podcast where we talk all things. Nutrition health fitness and mindset with healthy side of sarcasm. I'm your host Dana. Montes Monti's of real food with Sina I'm a nutritionist and body. Image Coach Teaching Women How to heal their relationship with food in their bodies ditch. The Diet cycle for good and truly leaf thrive with real food one delicious meal at a time. Welcome friends to the first episode of Twenty Twenty. That is absolutely nuts to even be saying that but I am super excited for this January first episode which is very timely for you because there's a lot of diet culture that's going to be floating around all this month that has obviously already started during December. And you're probably feeling like you're right in the middle of the swamp so today's interview is going to help you build some resilience towards that and today's interview guest is Jane Mattingly who is a recovery coach and the founder of of recovery love and care which offers virtual support for individuals on the path to full eating disorder recovery recovery Levin Care is all about finding self compassion ashes self love and body appreciations through the practice of self care an eating disorder awareness. So today we're going to be talking about Jane's Personal Health Story with E. D. digging into recovery is really like and then for all of us the best way that we can all develop resilience in a what we would like to call a hostile recovery environment airmont like January the most diet culture forward month of the year so whether you have dealt with. Add or disordered eating or. You just feel like you're stuck in the all all or nothing on again off the wagon mentality. They're going to be a lot of tips and parts of Jane story that Super Resonate with you and I hope that this is a great start of a non Senate Diet January for you as well. Well Hey Jane so thank you so much for coming on the podcast today. I'd love to get it started by you telling us about your relationship with food and your body growing up. Yes Hi. It's so wonderful to be here. Thanks for having me kind of jumping right into it. I mean my story. I guess started really young as I think most do I developed in Cam have started disordered eating and an eating disorder around the age of nine and when three puberty very early and and that actually is like a predetermined undetermined factor for eating disorders going through puberty at a young age. Early onset of puberty is so traumatic for young girls and boys. And you know your body's. He's getting bigger and it's changing. It's doing all these things while everyone is staying small You know even bigger people in bigger bodies when they were younger like they're still small mall their children. My body was changing and it was changing quickly. It was hereditary. We all went through puberty so young kind of all started there. It became very aware. The era of my body hyper aware of bodily functions. Really Weird how I looked I was very intensive dancer. I loved it But I also hate it I think. A lot of ways dances such a subjective art and sports and I think it just fueled the eating disorder. I started to restrict started to diet I started to use laxatives and religious use a lot of really harmful behaviors ears but I looked normal so quote unquote. I can't use you know you can't see me using quotes but I'm using air quotes. I looked normal. The doctors all thought I it looks normal way normal. If anything doctors telling me you know I could lose a couple pounds so it was kind of just passed over. I saw a lot of people in dance. who were really sick going to treatment and you know as like oh well then? I'm fine like no one's worried about me. I'm fine and it wasn't until I was Liz about twenty one or twenty two that I Finally sought help for eating disorder then came so much of like what my Life Davis now with advocacy and education and my business but yeah it all kind of it started at a young age. It's so tough and and I feel like I've talked to so many people both on the podcast and just like in life that when you are participating in talk with when you play like a body conscious sport whether it's gymnastics or it's dancer like swimming. which is what I did? It's like you're so much more thrown to having these behaviors these thoughts the this like comparison to other people because you can see basically like almost every three inch if they're buddies all the time and yours and it's so you're hyper conscious of everything and it is so subjective in so many ways you know it's not like okay you you should have few view baskets and then it's like okay. You get a certain amount of points right. Even with tennis like it's shown on sports are actually like you said they're like such such high risk for eating disorders And I also wonder you know. I think the research does show this. It's like people that do like like more singular type of sports are usually perfectionists and are usually pretty like type A so. I wonder if that goes into it as well. You know like the pressure that being put on the person but also the pressure that they put on themselves like what kind of person goes into those sports. Does that make sense. Yeah definitely yeah and then it's really tough to because even when I mean I'm sure there are little girls girls and boys that are running around in these sports that even if they don't don't feel like they're bigger than their peers or if they feel like they're out of place or whatever it is there is like a physically advantageous contagious body type for some of sports and then kids feel like an adult's event right if you don't fit that mold you're not going to be able to reach your highest potential or like do your best not sport so there's even more pressure to fit that specific mold even if your genetics will not lend to that without like extreme restriction extreme exercise yes exactly exactly yes everything you just said times a hundred. I grew up in a family that I was raised in family and I was privileged to be raising a family that was so body a positive accepting my immediate family. You know there was never ever really talk about diets. There was never talk about our bodies there is never it. Just wasn't that you know but I think it was schooling. I think it was you know on my social experiences in so much of my time was spent in the dance studio or are so much time was spent school. I think sometimes we think we are so quick. Take blame parents and things like that but like so much of it was genetics. So much of it was that I got my period so young and I was anxious child and I think there's as you know predetermining factors but so much of it to was my surroundings that I chose as a young girl and I think I was truly lucky to live in a family that you know didn't kind of fuel the eating disorder if anything they just didn't have the resources to understand that it was a problem. Yeah definitely and I. I think that's the case for a lot of people as well because on the one hand as a kid or a teenager even a young adult. It's such a In popular culture like a shameful thing right something that you want to hide. Because it's something you're trying to control and everything that goes along with that and so it's not something that you want to admit to a family or a your family or a therapist or friends and family are anything like that because it. It seems like you're being vulnerable and you're being weak and one of the reasons that many people kind of turn this ways because you're trying to build up wall so that you can't get hurt in the first place yet. Feels like a callous. You become so calloused and I did deal with. You know like I was very open about meg. Zion depression with my family and friends and I started therapy at a very young age. And it's interesting how the anxiety and depression were being treated but the eating disorder are kind of went under the radar because like it looks like I was eating healthy or whatever that means and it looks like I was active and like I was okay. I do do think things have changed since then in that I. I'm hoping doctors are more aware of these things granted not as whereas they you know I would love them to be but it's it's just so interesting. How with depression anxiety? I kinda owned it as I go right like you know. This is Biz like part. This is kind of pardon me and I'M GONNA learn how to live with it cope but with the eating disorder was so shameful and it created this callous where I was like okay. You know I'm not going to feel any emotions if anything like I. I was pretending that I was dealing with anxiety. Depression in the eating disorder was just covering it all up and it it eventually blue face you know I think sometimes we think it's sustainable. Were like this is working really well. And that's why people eating disorders can be so high functioning than eventually blows up and it just it takes away your life. It just really does. Do you think that was part of it that with anxiety and depression depending on how severe they are. Sometimes it's a lot harder to be high functioning so it's harder to hide so we feel like okay. This is the one thing that I have to tell people about. But this thing as long as I'm still high functioning actioning I don't have to tell anyone about the disordered eating habits. Yeah I do think it's part of that. I mean granted. Ah My anxiety. There's definitely some. OCD In there too you're just traits of OCD. You know it serves others so it's like when there's certain traits that serves others. It's like people aren't really going to say much watch. Because it's you know you have that people pleasing perfectionist a harm avoidance all or nothing thinking. That's like a trait the trait. They're finding that that's actually on a gene mutation on the same mutation as eating disorders. where it's like? This is an evolutionary trait. That has been passed down because it benefits society doesn't benefit is. Is that the people that are actually perfectionist Iq and harm avoid impotent benefit society. Because we're just like hustling ends and helping others and I think it eventually falls apart Does so tough so I WANNA talk about recovery and what. It's like to be in that space. So could you tell us more about your recovery journey and like how it even started what you did when you realize like like this is something that I I just can't do anymore. Yeah absolutely again. You know my eating disorder definitely manifested in various ways as most do. It's not so textbook. It's not so lifetime movie You know it just doesn't work usually. It's not that way. I knew a lot about eating disorders. I was very very curious about them. Actually and I kept you know I I guess I would just kind of always subconsciously be like. This isn't me because I don't fall into this mold and to be honest. I was in so much denial that I had a problem like it was like I really couldn't see that I had a problem in which is really weird because you know I knew so much about all of these things so my fiancee now. And he's my boyfriend then he's he's the one that's intervened and he. He heard me using behaviors and he confronted me. We were living in Jackson Wyoming at the time and he was like what. What's going going on and I remember getting so upset? I think I laughed. I was just like no like this isn't a problem mistress. Whatever and I remember he was like he he approached it so well l.? And he had no clue what he's doing but he purchased so on he was like you know we're GonNa talk about this. We don't talk about it now but we're eventually talking about it like yeah. I don't care how much you like. Don't WanNa do this but we're talking about it in. I sought out a therapist paid for all of my own treatment. And I kind of developed an outpatient team. I saw A specialist and then I was very poor so I was right eight out of college and slumming it in Jackson Wyoming so I went to the counseling center and got on the sliding scale and was able to do that and then he found a Dietitian attention and built my little team out there in Jackson Wyoming and it was one hundred percent. I can say this so wholeheartedly that it was the hardest thing I ever did was recovery an eating disorder recovery. It was so much grief it was so lonely in isolating it fell psych self sabotage in so many ways but it was. It was the massias process I've ever ever been through. I think I was so lucky to have the support system of my boyfriend at the time of my family at the time of my friends and took a lot of patience and but I think I know that I was very motivated because shine did set like somewhat of an ultimatum. I mean he he was like you know. This isn't this isn't you like we can't we can't do this like I'm I'm not GonNa Foster this and it worked. You know like that was motivation for me you to get better and then once I started to really get better get past the messy nece and see the light at the end of the tunnel. I was like okay like this is worth it like you go. Oh five months without using behaviors. You're like Oh gosh. I don't WanNa go back to like. I don't want to lose this five months like I'm such a perfectionist. You kind of think that way so I I just kept pushing through and kept pushing through and eventually I was I realize like I'm I'm living my life without my eating disorder like it's not there I do identify as fully recovered now today years later granted it took a long time. A lot of work then went and got a masters masters in clinical mental health counseling and then started my business recovery loving care and that kind of had to do with advocacy and you know mentoring and the now coaching. But it was just such like a multifaceted period of my life but so messy and so frigging hard this past year like I've had three neuro surgeries. I was awake during brain surgery and I can easily say that was easier than recovery Like eating disorder. Recovery is really hard but it is really worth it. I mean it is really worth it because at the end you have food freedom and you you're not calloused anymore. But I think what happens in recovery. Is that callous. Goes Away and you have to develop new skin really A- and if you're wrong you're vulnerable and it hurts but you have to feel the emotions without the eating disorder and it's like putting salt in a raw wound but eventually eventually you grow that new skin and you become more resilient you don't need the calloused anymore. You don't need that false sense of security one thing. That's maybe not talked about enough visits really really hard and it's messy and I think sometimes people in recovery need to hear that it's like. Is it really supposed to be this hard. Because sometimes eating disorder looks wchs really really nice if we look back and we're like wait a minute. Like what am I doing this Oregon and it's like no we blind faith. We have to keep going being. There is a light at the end of the tunnel yet that was kind of major anyways with recovery. It was it was a really tough one but it was worth. It will will thank you for sharing that. I really do appreciate that or like how you're talking about. It is so tough because like you said it's not not something that's talked about enough and whether it's recovery from an eating disorder or just trying to get away from like the Diet Culture Shit show that is like our world right right. Neither of them is easy and in a sense like going back to dieting or going back to the coping mechanisms that we use in eating. Disorders is easier easier than the recovery process buzz. It's not better the light of the life that you live when you have disordered eating or eating disorders orders or even if you're caught in the Yo yo dieting train and on and off the wagon that life is by no means if you compare that to what it actually really looks like on the other side of recovery. It's so worth it. It's so worth it. I even think about it now after the holiday Thanksgiving just happened this past week. And you know it's like in my eating disorder on Monday. It would have been lag. which is today would have been like? Okay like let's get on the wagon again like let's do a cleanse or let's do whatever it is and it's like no I actually like ate breakfast and didn't work out and it just relax and do and listen to my body rather than force my body into something that probably would create even just more stress than it. It's it's just so interesting the jail that I put myself in when I was in my eating disorder it lasts for so long. If you hold onto it because I think we we do think easier is better but it's easier as just easier. It doesn't make it better it just doesn't and I think you really hit the nail on the ahead with what you were saying before is like we have to be able to feel the feelings and deal with the feelings in kind of like and develop a new. Oh callous right and learn how to use that new skin without the coping mechanisms of the eating disorder or of the disordered eating because one of the reasons that that we even develop these disorder. Behaviors is we're trying to find a way to numb those feelings or to get away from those feelings and that's one of the reasons why recovery every so hard as you're kind of it's like going to therapy for the first time you like you're forced to feel those feelings when even if you before you go into the therapy session in or before you start trying to recover and kind of fight your way through the weeds here. It's like you might have had kinda calm before the storm period. But once you force yourself to like relive those things or to try and actually feel those feelings it is so hard and it's so messy and that's why like you said it's so important into the you're out other ways that you can figure out these feelings and have a really solid support team around you. Yes support is so huge so so so huge and you know getting proper team members. There's a lot of people out there. I think that don't understand. Eating disorders are working with them. which which is really dangerous? It's really really dangerous and you have to get people that really understand what they're what they're talking about ends you know nursing you properly. In every way it's not just you know nutritionally just emotionally and physically. Just it's it's so important but yeah I think it's always you know week sometime. Just see these like the other. See the person sick or we see the person. While we don't see the in between and the inbetween is really hard. But it's it's the important part it's like when it starts to get messy and sticky and gross. It's like you're doing the real work. Yeah and you've said both on your website and on your instagram Graham. That recovery is not linear we all do better to expect it to not be so linear one hundred per cent as has I live more and more and more and like go through things other than you know eating disorder recovery like nothing is linear in life. Nothing thing is black and white. Nothing is all or nothing. It's it's it's very you know it's it's all up and down and I think you know I was actually speaking with a a sister yesterday and we were talking about emotion than how sometimes we think emotions are just like okay. I'm done with that emotion like book closed. It's like no emotions are like like the weather or like waves. You know they come and go and you know we learn how to deal with them in life happens to like. We're not in a bubble especially especially Renata bubble if your recovery from dieting or eating disorder disordered eating. You know it's hostile recovery environment. There's there's not billboard saying that you should do mass but there is billboards saying that you should start yourself. And it's it's tough but we have to learn how to get through it and cope and build old resilience and I think if you have little slips. It's like okay that doesn't mean you start back at square one you learn from it and move forward exactly and actually could timing because this episode is GonNa come out in the beginning of January which is a very hostile recovery recovery environment whether you have an eating disorder disordered eating yo-yo dieting or whether you fall prey to doing a diet every single single January everyone goes through this the messaging is insane like the amount. Say money the Diet Industry makes January and even December is absolutely insane. It's insane yeah it really is. I mean you know what the Dia Culture as well as. Gosh people aren't GonNa hate this some people well but but even the wellness culture it can get us. It can get really really good and I think if we just have to open our eyes to it living with Komo Outside eaters recovery now living with a chronic illness. It's like the amount of people that are like. Oh like have you tried this. Have you tried this. Have you made this food. Have you done this cleanse. It's like those things are GonNa heal either. It's the same concept where it's like. There's not this magic way in which we can just Mike let pain go away whether it's physical pain emotional pain it's like we can't just do one thing and it goes away. It's just not linear we have to learn how to deal deal with it and work through. It is not going to be like a one one time fix if that makes sense and I think we're kind of promised in January and December number that like there is a fix like. Oh are you. Are you depressed are you. You know feeling just down and about your body and about like your lifestyle while this will be the fix and it's like that doesn't bring us happiness. It just doesn't or else we would not do it again. And again and again and again never January. Exactly yeah it. It has to be a kind of his holistic or multi pronged approach is especially when you are dealing dealing with a chronic illness or autoimmune disease or whatever it is sure there might be a specific dietary protocol that is recommended for that but if your practitioner or whoever you're working with or even if you just try and take it on yourself if you don't take into account what your background and is with dieting and body image and your genetics and all those other things it could actually just drive you. Farther down the rabbit hole like termer going to fix everything getting ready for thirty days. That's not going to fix you. That's absolutely disorder. If you only eight right and it's you know I I always joke. It's like I'm bathing in a bathtub of CD oil with like glasses salary. Jews and like Kale Scrub with like tumor wreck like on my head like we. We have all these things I was like. Yes there's a place for these things but I think when you're Yo- yo- dieter when you have disordered eating when you have an eating disorder. I really do believe in. I'm finding it more and more true. They work with clients that we have these traits. That are all or nothing. So maybe we someone you know the masses are going to hear it in a different way where it's like. Okay GonNA try some tumor like in my. I don't not but we hear writ saying like people with disorders and things we we hear it as like. Oh my God I need to do this on everything and this is GonNa be. This is going to be the you know it's going to be magic and I think you know there's a lot of people that have this trait that here. It ends apply to everything if that is does that make sense and yeah exactly and I think you again like hit the nail on the head is like there's kind of two ways of looking at this right where if we're saying okay. Turmeric work is really good for or you know whatever it is. It's yeller juice. It's you know whatever it is instead of in our brains it's like okay. Well I can only have have this every single morning and I have to drink it four times a day or whatever it is and you can't eat all these other things because they're going to interact with whatever the other are side of things is. Okay well let me just try adding this end to whatever doing normally and then see how it impacts me right most people who have used this these coping mechanisms who have had these disordered thoughts or acted on them or whatever. We don't think that way and you know we just don't yeah and you need someone else to kind and showed you a different path than what you've done before because he's just try the same thing over and over again you're just going to end up in the same place that you've always been yes. Let's or worse. Yeah absolutely absolutely. I do think it's this you know like sometimes we say like I always tell my clients. It's like okay some of this messaging. Yes it's very disordered but some of it has meant for the masses and we use it as like so personalized and we're like okay. Well that means means like you see something on Good Morning America and you're like okay. Well that means I have to do that too and I have to do this year. We kind of like implement that fear onto ourselves and we do all of it rather than just like one thing at a time and to be fair most of the time the way that they are portraying it is. Everybody should do this. I like Oh God here we you go again xactly. It's so disordered. It's it's a hostile recovery environment so in that hostile recovery environment whenever it is whether it's January worry or if you live in a house of people that aren't supportive or you go to a gym. That's very like diet. Culturally and always screaming. Earn your calories and you know whatever that BS in your face. What are some of the things that you can do to kind of develop resilience during January or during other other kinds of situations? Gosh so many things. I think you know one is again support like if you find that you are covering up your emotions. Ocean's through behaviors related or surrounding food in your body. I think it's so important to talk to a mental health professional. Whether that be you know like a specialized coacher therapist purpose or a Dietitian or doctor You know talk to people Talk to people that are safe. You know like I. I think it's really important to protect our energy energy and especially around the holidays and after the holidays you know if you're around people that are just constantly spewing out diet stuff it's not about you. It's about them and they're hurting hurting. And they're they're going through their process and you need to protect your energy and like you know. Sometimes you have to limit your time with people when you're at the gym and they're yelling rolling out you know. Get that Bikini body or whatever that means whatever they're saying you know. I think it's really important to remember that we can reframe those things. It doesn't have to apply to us in effect does US doesn't have to become self sabotage you know we can hear those things and we can move because we love our bodies not because we hate them and you know so if I think depending on where you are in your recovery process from whatever it is you have to be careful. So someone's really really struggling and really sick you know. Maybe it's not a good idea to go to the gym in January. You know. Maybe it's a good idea to go for like a mental health. Walk Walk with a buddy or stretch or juice in light yoga. Have you feel a little bit more strong recovery from whatever it is. Maybe it's going to that class in bringing someone along that it has the same thoughts as you do. Another thing too is positive words towards ourselves positive words towards others you know we have to be careful of not just. Our instructors are talking to but also how we're talking to ourselves if you look in the mirror you see something you know reframing thought and seeing like no like you know actually my eyes is there to get me out of bed in the morning and protect me and get me to this class than allowing you to to walk around and be strong but I think it does depend hands on where you are in your recovery if that makes sense Yeah and it's interesting because when you're in that kind of environment or say you're going to one of those classes the many various things that whether it's instructors other people at the gym or whatever it is whatever situation that you're you're in it's interesting to notice which comments they make that you actually internalized and which comments that they make that you're like oh whatever that just kind of like bounces off your shoulder shoulder right right yeah. It's also really interesting as you are. Farther along have developed some resilience in this area area. Is that when you do decide to go back to the gym or maybe you're trying a new studio or whatever. It is interesting because when you're in that situation Jewish and you hear those things that maybe would have been triggering you before you could say. Well I don't have to participate in this. You know like I can still go to this class and I can hear these things in me like wow. They are not as far along in my journey and as I am and wow I have come so far and then it's kind of like sometimes sometimes you even feel sorry for those people it's like. Oh my God you don't know that there's another so hurting. Yeah exactly absolutely absolutely and I think so dependent on where you are in your recovery and what you can handle it. How resilient you are you know? If you're feeling incredibly stressed in your fully recovered you still might hear those words not able to reframe them because your mind is just so exhausted. And it's like protect your energy you know. Listen to your body you're exhausted Austin and inflamed and it's like you don't have to go that spin class. That's probably not what your body wants in need just tune into your body a little bit more. I think is really important important. Yeah I think tuning in and then also learning to listen with kind of curiosity rather than judgment yes I love it. uh-huh yeah because when like we said before whether it's going to therapy or it's going to through recovery and try to figure out all these feelings and these things that you've been trying to push away and using these behaviors to kind of naive and cope with right. It's like you don't want to feel it too out right eyebrow the Queen would say yup so like what can I do in this situation in order to really deal with these feelings but deal with them in a productive way because sometimes a productive way is just let yourself cry and times productive way is okay. I don't have the capacity to deal with this today and that's okay and I'm not going to judge myself for it. It's like we were just saying before like today the day we're recording is the Monday after Thanksgiving weekend and we're both just like what. This is the Monday as that has ever been. And we're both like really struggling with just being productive today but you can apply that to any situation if if you're really struggling with whatever it's just giving yourself some grace and some compassion and saying okay. Well okay that makes sense that I'm feeling this way and I don't have to be myself up about it I'm just GonNa it's like we do with our clients. You have to meet people you have to meet yourself where you are because we are stressing out about the space between where you are red when you want to be your actually holding yourself back. Yup I love that. That's beautiful. Yeah anything it is. You know asking yourself. Will this serve me. Is this helpful. Sometimes it takes a second or you know more a lot longer than seconds really tune into that but you know finding that compassion for yourself being positive dip towards yourself and the power positively. The power of compassion is just huge. It really is huge yet. I think it's just protecting your energy being able to reframe those thoughts and find compassion exactly so speaking of clients and stuff tell us this was. You're doing now with your career. I started recovery. Eleven care as a blog and then I started doing events and Dings advocacy and started working with project. He'll and giving money towards them when I would do events and then a was getting my masters in clinical mental. The health counseling and I started mentoring people and then I realized okay. I think I I'm interested in doing this more full-time and so I started coaching. And then I kind and there is you know. There's this idea of what a coach is. There's life coaches in. There's recovery coaches for substance abuse. And I kind of looked at all the models and I didn't find one that really resonated with what I wanted to do for the population. I wanted to work with so I kind of developed this idea of Recovery Coaching for eating disorders and body image under recovery Lynn. Care and I meet with people. Virtually believe through a hippo compliance software database it's all very tailored it's collaborative care. I work with treatment teams. You know someone has an eating disorder. They're not just seeing either seeing a therapist seeing a Dietitian or seeing a psychiatrist or whatnot we find whatever needs to be added to the team. We offer twenty four seven I'm one on one. Chat Room supports you. See each other when you meet weekly through the APP that we use. It's like facetime or skype. Just all hip compliant. You know. I support people through their recovery. Whether that be disordered eating eating disorders of all types spotty image yo-yo dieting perfectionism at one point ahead five jobs and it was incredibly sustainable. But I needed to because I just was a you know. It's just that moment of my life right right needed to do that. And eventually I just kind of took the leap and it was like I'm just going to do this. I did now. I have Six people underneath. It's me who work as independent contractors under the recovery Loving Care Brand and they all kind of had their little niche and some are like once a yoga instructor and does virtual. So you'll go. Someone works body image. Some people work with more of like a fitness side. Dietitian registered dietician on the team as well L. A.. Yeah I'm I'm able to you know. Be based here in Charleston South Carolina see people from all around the world which is pretty awesome. Because I found. There's this gap and treatment. There's this huge gap in treatment. Where especially in the states? Where you know if you go to in Iot appea- or an inpatient program you leave and you're like oh my gosh? I only get to see my therapist once a week. And it's like you're just totally in this limbo in. Its there's this huge gap with support. There's also a lot of restrictions when it comes to insurance about getting the proper treatment Um uh-huh though if someone can't find someone who specialized in eating disorders in regards to therapy I can be there. eating disorder person on their team. They can have a therapist and work through the PTSD OR OCD or whatnot. And I can be kind of the eating disorder person to help them through that so multifaceted more sustainable approach. I really you believe in accessible care. We we try to make that as possible. You know as I said I founded my own recovery. It was really hard and difficult and expensive so I really try to make it as accessible as possible. If your mom you know you can meet with Your Recovery Coach Body Mitch. Coach Win The kids are napping or are or at a friend's house or whatnot. So yeah that's kind of where that all came from and now it's what I do full time in. I just I love every minute of I bet. That's amazing. Thank you so tell us about the passing on positively campaign that you had all yes. I wanted to basically kind of started this messaging with people also within the niche on Instagram Like of eating disorders and body imagine food but also outside the niche of that. Because I feel that sometimes if you're listening to these podcasts in your following body positive accounts and and you're like what your instagram is. We kind of forget the rest of the world isn't so aligned with health like this this idea uh of food. Freedom ends and body positivity and self compassion towards yourself in body kindness. Everyone is kind of more mentality so I wanted to kind of say we can pat. Like passing on positivity is a way in which we can start to celebrate the holidays in a way where it's not going to cost us anything and financially but also emotionally being positive for yourself. I think is where it starts. Research shows that if we're able to have positive thought patterns Saturn's and refrain those thoughts and use cognitive behavioral therapy and use acceptance in our lives. We're GONNA live longer lives tips. I think that's the reason why we should be looking at rather than okay if you wait this much. You have this much longer to live. It's like no what we should really be looking at as Hauer living being and I think it's you know I've recently gone through this journey with a medical journey as I said lots of neuro surgeries trees this year. Lots of trips to the Mayo Clinic and it's so easy to get sucked into negativity. I think if we can pass on positively to ourselves we can then hold space for others pass on positively to them. I think it's contagious around the holidays your followers or your kids or your students. They're they're listening to us. They're hearing US say like. Oh tomorrow I have to go on the cleanser tomorrow I have to. I don't want to step on the scale or oh gotta go get my sweatpants. The ant like my my pants don't fit anymore they hear those things and kids kids here and seeing the black they don't see in black and white but they they hear in and the black and white and they're thinking like Oh. This is good. This is bad. It's like what if we instead focused on positive experiences. Were having around the food instead of focusing on the fact that you want another Christmas cookie. Why don't we focus on the fact that you're creating memories surrounding the Christmas cookies? So yeah I wanted to kind of start something. Something passing on positivity and challenge people to to be able to have that positively towards themselves and hopefully spread it around. I love that you I was wondering this is like I haven't actually done this in a while. But for a lot of my past guests I always used to ask them. What is one book that you would recommend that? Everyone read whether knits a book about recovery. or it's just something that's been super impactful in your life or it's just like a fun book that you love and you think everyone should read. Oh my goodness I'm looking at my bookshelf right now. I am obsessed the four agreements. That's a really good one. Yeah I just love it you know. I think there's looking at it right now. I think this is one of the books folks that you could read over and over and over again and find ways in which you can imply apply to your life. I also love De book the language of letting go by malady beady. It has like little kind of excerpts and poems for every day of the year but but it's kind of works through codependency and perfectionism and all the things that most of us are amazing. Yeah so before I let you go. Please let everybody know where they can find you your website or instagram. And anything else that you want to plug yes Recovery Take Care Dot com is where you can find on the Internet. We have a team of recovery coaches and people that can support you in your recovery if you need that supplemental care and Instagram. A recovery love and care and is spelled out really. Try to be as interactive as possible with people. I kind have say in addition to semi pro bono clients like. That's where my pro bono work is. You know I put in I G. TV's and lives and things where we can hopefully fully spread awareness and education. Certainly not a substitute for therapy or coaching. But if anything it's the place for advocacy education awareness. Yeah well thank you so much for coming on. I really appreciate you. Thank you so much. Thanks for listening to Real Talk With Dana. 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The Entrepreneurs - Toms and Madefor

Monocle 24: The Entrepreneurs

30:25 min | 8 months ago

The Entrepreneurs - Toms and Madefor

"Building a brand or launching a business requires an incredible amount of deep thought and research and there are many factors of course on the checklist to success. One needs to consider for making sure. There will be a demand for your product or service to ensuring you're offering is unique and best place to provide a solution. Your future customer searching for it takes time money graft and incredible confidence before you can press play hoping that lightning will strike. And you'll be on your way to growing robust brand but there is often a vital factor. I've not yet mentioned your personal values. You're listening to the entrepreneurs with me Daniel bauge today. My guest is Blake Majkowski. A serial entrepreneur philanthropist bestselling author and founder of. Toms Blake started and sold four businesses before the age of thirty even before starting. Tom's the global shoe brand best known for its simple slip on shoes. And it's one for one giving program over the past fourteen years. They've donated more than ninety. Five million pairs of shoes in eighty five countries. The for profit company was created after a trip blake took to Argentina in two thousand six and built not only on Hustle. But I'm Blake's personal mission to create a brand around impact and purpose eventually. Tom's moved into providing site savings surgery for people around the world and started a coffee business to help fund clean water projects globally but in two thousand fourteen blake decided to step back from his role as chief shoe giver and to sell half of the company. He used the proceeds to set up. An Entrepreneurship Fund and to date has backed twenty-five social enterprises. But as you'll hear around this time that Blake was starting to feel lost and began to struggle with depression. It's a difficult journey that has lead him on his latest venture which will focus on today. It's called made for a ten month. Analog program created alongside scientists from Stanford and Harvard and designed to help people cultivate good habits and practices in their lives from hydration to sleeping better. It's Betterman toolkit. Blake uses himself every day at a resource. He hopes will help more people today. Who are thinking about working on themselves. Especially after being in lockdown. As you'll hear Blake is confident. People will connect with the brand because it's closely tied to his personal story and do stick around to the end of our conversation when Blake takes a few questions from the audience. Here's Blake now from his home in Jackson Wyoming where he began by telling me about the growth of Thomas and his decision to take a step back. Sure I I think the thing is so amazing about Tom's really different than the other four businesses. I started before that was anything. That's so kind of KARMIC. If you will is that when I started Tom I just saw it as a small project. I didn't think we would make any money. I wanted to help. Some kids get shoes Argentina that I met while traveling and then of course you know it totally was the exact opposite. It became incredibly fast growing business. We helped millions of people but we made millions of dollars as well. You know it totally changed my life as an entrepreneur and before I knew it I had you know hundreds of employees all over the world. You know a huge operation and it must be reparation than I've ever experienced as an entrepreneur and these other businesses so what really led to kind of stepping back with just a little bit of personal burnout myself. I mean even though I got a lot of joy and excitement of helping going on these getting trips and being with kids around the world helping them get shoes and there was a lot of personal excitement of growing and company. I think we're the fastest growing company in the world for four years consecutively. That was exciting but at certain point I realized that I had neglected every other aspect of my life and so I did to step down twice I did in two thousand twelve. I took a pause and I went to Austin in higher. I my first CEO but I was still really involved. I was just a really involved from Austin but then I think the more interesting was in two thousand fourteen. I sold half the company which I had never had any. Investors hired an incredible visionary. Ceo and gave him full control of the company. So that time I really get a of. You cannot step down but kind of stepped aside and now is a really important kind of mile marker my life that's also in my ex wife now had her first kid so. I really focused on being a dad and a lot of other areas of my life. Besides Tom's what was it. You think that led you to that decision for the second time to to hire a CEO and and really step away a good portion of the business. I know you would go onto to set up a fund that does support Social Enterprise. Which is which is amazing. But what was the thing? That's major. Move Away I've heard you say it just became a little bit too corporate for you. Yeah it was. It was become become a little bit corporate it also. I realized just my greatest skills I believe in business is at the early stage. I love working with small teams. I love new ideas. I love making an impact in new ways and it just got to the point to where we were giving millions of shoes to kids around the world we were doing all these amazing things but it just felt like I was doing the same thing over and over again and so for me really stepping down in two thousand fourteen or stepping aside really. I felt that there was someone who is a professional. Ceo and other people like that they would actually serve the mission of Tom's better than the founder of continuing to do it because they some people just love the day to day you know kind of planned growth and so you need to run a business of that size and just wasn't I realized my forte. So mean also want to focus on other things a lot of interest and and I've been doing that at that point. I've been doing that for ten years so it just felt at the right time. I touch on the fact that you did set up a fund to support social enterprise and obviously Tom Setup as an impact business the start date. I think it's donated more than ninety. Five million shoes all around the world for people in need. You moved into eyeglasses as well. You moved in to coffee so so there's a lot there when you step back were you thinking about what else you you might be able to get involved in or was it just really trying to share some of the experiences that you've had. Yeah so it's an interesting question segue to kind of like what happened. After I think a lot of people don't really know you know some of this personal challenges. I went through after I stepped aside besides investing in social enterprises which I've now invested in twenty seven companies and been a lot of this founders. That was really wonderful but not having a day to day thing that I was putting my heart and energy into over-time really affected me in a negative way. You know I I took rock climbing and racecar driving like all these things that I never had time to do before but after doing that for about a year year and a half. I realized I didn't have something that I felt was like an over arching purpose and I actually slipped into a state of depression. I remember in middle of two thousand fifteen going into the holidays really cannot really having any energy to get out of bed kind of feeling like I didn't have as much joy with my hobbies that I had the year before. No kind of a little bit rudderless and that really. Kinda led me to ask some big questions that ultimately led to the founding of the new company. I'm working on now made for but sometimes I think you have to kind of go through some personal suffering in order to have the motivation to put your heart in energy into something new so I'm actually thankful for those kind of really challenging six months. They had back in two thousand fifteen We'll definitely come onto made for. I want to spend most of the time talking about that in this new venture that you have that. It's quite exciting. I'd love to just hear about that that period into round two thousand fifteen. You're talking about because when you when you hear your story you know people talk about being burnt out and maybe leaving. Tom's but but actually the reality is you came onto some of these personal struggles. Because you didn't have anything going actually really interesting. Yeah I mean you hear a lot of people have burn out and that's one type of. I think mental struggle but I think a deeper part if you've committed your whole life to having an impact is not feeling like your days are being purposeful or that. Your efforts are being kind of helping in serving and so that really affected me but also when I realized was is it wasn't just the lack of a day to day purpose that caused the depression but it was also that like I had really neglected kind of my physical and mental health. Probably since I started my first company when I was nineteen like. I'm very hard worker. I mean that's what I think most people would say about me and so all those years of not taking care of my body and mind and even my kind of spiritual self just caught up to me and so you now when I when the music stopped so to speak and I had the void of time then those things that I neglected became more obvious. You know and those things are like standing how to get proper night's sleep or you know moving your body and not just exercising to exercise but to really have vitality and and and being able to have you know kind of pliability and to be able to move your body and a number of different ways you don't constantly get injured you know other things like meditation and breath work like these are the things I had never really done. Those are things that I started to dig into to help me kind of. Come out of this kind of hard time. That's fascinating because a lot of those tools. Obviously people will be thinking about today and how they can help themselves business leaders and and people all around the world you know. I think I read somewhere that you've written in your journal every day since were fifteen year bestselling author. You've started to share advice on on your own website. I think did that. Take something away from you. Do you think people always wanting a little bit of advice or guidance but not realizing that entrepreneurs in themselves even however successful do have struggles. Yeah I think I think the thing is you know for for people who get so much joy from serving and giving something bigger than themselves often times throw themselves so far into it that they neglect some of their basic needs. And I don't think that's just the I don't think that's the case for entrepreneurs or CEOS. I think that's the case. Most people in modern society in one of the things that we do talk about with made for is essentially kind of need an enemy when you have a purpose driven business and the enemy of made for is really the challenges of modern living when that really affects everyone effects. You know whether you're working or not working. It's a lot of effects of digital distraction in our life. The demand of constantly multitasking. In the number of you know kind of entertainment and media outlets who are constantly getting information from like. There's a lot of stuff that just modern society has crept into our lives that are really kind of eroding some of our mental wellbeing and Into that does some of the stuff that I also recognize that really. Everyone's being affected by whether you're running a company starting company or not. You mentioned digital distraction there and I'd love to jump into made for which is a program for people to go through over ten months. I think so. This is the ten activities that you that you can pick up over twenty one days but the interesting thing about it is that it's all analog. Can you talk to me a little bit about that? Yeah so when we started out as a week because I have a business partner in his Pat Voss it and he was a navy seal and the military for nine years and really top of the top in terms of you know that vocation and and pat brings a lot of the kind of you know say kind of discipline around you know bringing the science into everything we share and and soon we started. There are two things that we recognize really quickly if we were going to help people with their mental and physical health and even help them define understand more of what their purposes and that's where the name made for is our goal is that everyone not only goes to the program really understands what they're made of but ultimately can answer the question. What am I made for? Because that's the question that I was struggling with. And so the the the months there's two things the analogue piece and you picked up on is probably the most kind of radical ironically and that is because when we talk to scientists from Stanford and Harvard and the head of neuroscience at Stanford who worked very closely with us in his on our advisory board. They continue to come back to the fact that digital distraction was really keeping people from learning some of the really critical keystone habits and practices. Because they were constantly distracted so all these APPs that say help you to form a new habit or APPS that help you meditate. Better all these digital APPS or you know. They're they're nice and they sound good and they're fun to download but in terms of their actual efficacy hard to to see the results. Because all the other distractions that exists on that device that you're getting the content from and so we decided early on even if it was going to be more expensive to deliver the program and more challenging to over the program. We were going to commit to an analog only program because we didn't want people to be distracted when they're learning these these very important habits and practices and then the second thing you also point out is ten months long. I mean that's a long time and you're only learning one basic thing per month so we might only focus on absolutely preparing you and optimizing your sleep each night for twenty one days and that's only one thing you're focused on during that month and that's because we did lot of work with neuroscientist around the concept of deep learning and we really as a society have lost the ability and the practice of deep learning. We listened to a podcast and we get ten tips. You know we read a book and there's twenty new things to do and this is all really important information and very little bit actually ever gets put into practice so we were going to really change people's lives in a meaningful way. We knew that it would not be easy and we had to do it. One practice at a time an analog setting and over thirty day period of time and so that's the real kind of keystones at the program was built on I wonder what in this program might be interesting for people in this time right now. Obviously we're all feeling a little bit drained. Obviously cabin fever is a big part of it. But you know there's a big impact of this global pandemic on I think our wellbeing and just our state so you know. Obviously the timing of this business is quite interesting has factored at all into the conversations. You guys are having. It's been amazing. I mean everything you kind of look back in your life and you're like see sometimes the perfect timing of things and we worked on this program developing for two years. The first year was all US meeting with a scientist creating the actual curriculum. The program designed the tools and then the second year instead of launching a year ago. We could have. We actually did a Beta test of thirteen hundred people from all walks of life and had them go through the program and we learned and we tweaked and refined the program and then we had set march. Fourth is our launch date man so we went to New York we launched. We had some great media coverage and a lot of new sign ups and then of course you know Kobe. Nineteen hit. What's been interesting is a lot of those people that signed up at the beginning of March just even though there are a couple months into the program. Now they're found that this has been such a wonderful experience because their homes they're wanting to come out of this experience stronger more clear healthier than they were when they went into it. And the fact that the whole program is designed to be done in one on one in. Your home has been really great. Now I definitely I think is a business has been hard because there's so much media clutter noise rightfully so with everything focused on corona that. You know we haven't been able to promote the program the way that we expected to this spring but we have you know probably a thousand people going through the program right now and they're all giving us great feedback on how this is really helping them during this very challenging time and so it's been very gratifying. That regard you know just to walk back a little bit Blake. I've heard you say that. The theme of Your Entrepreneurial Journey is that each new business. You start really has nothing to do with the last each venture is sort of about you following your curiosity and your interest. So obviously there's new company sort of Gels with the world that you are interested in a little bit of taking care of yourself and wellness wonder how fulfilling that is for you just now. Obviously we talked about that a little bit. But where do you see this going? You know is it. Is it enough for you at this moment? In the scale that it's at and how far do you see yourself taking this? Yeah I think one thing that has happened since two thousand fifteen that I have just kind of realigned all my not all but most of my efforts around is really trying to help people with mental health and so I've recognized that that is one of the biggest challenges of our time after spinning over a decade helping people in the most devastating economic conditions with basic needs like water. You know eyesight surgeries in shoes. I have now seen that like in order to continue to help in those areas. We gotta take care of people in the first world because in the first world countries if we don't have strong mental health the whole system is at risk and so I really dedicated not just with made for but even my personal philanthropy you know last year me and a few other people. Funded the first department of PSYCHEDELIC research for a many mental disorders at John Hopkins me and Tim. Ferriss and a few others did that now. Is that a big check that we all wrote to endow that department which is the first and I think only department in the country that is specifically focused on you know the effect of psychedelics. And how they can be used in a way to treat things like depression her ptsd and other mental illnesses. So I'm leaning into that heavily on a on a farm from a philanthropic standpoint and then also just you know other areas of mental health beyond made for that. I'm working on in terms of funding different programs especially with teens and suicide and different things like that. So in general I'm most effective win. Kind of my whole world is the medically focused on one thing and that way can leverage my philanthropy from my business to other things but I really feel like right. Now we're I'm being called in. This could change like you like you said before all my business kind of been following my own personal curiosity and instincts is right now. How can I use my resources and my businesses as a way to share lessons that I'm learning through my own experiments and mental health wellness? And that's that's kind of where I'm at touch a little bit on the companies that you have grown and obviously you going out and speaking to people doing speaking appearances doing interviews dream pod gas and things like that there. Is this sort of idea of the successful entrepreneurs you know a bit bulletproof and and you know the people that are just better built for those scenarios and things like that but you know obviously that's taken a big toll on on you personally of growing companies over the past twenty five years. It seems to me like you're in a good place right now but I'm just curious about what you would want people to learn about your your journey. I think you know it really is interesting because it really kind of goes back to the practices of made for. I mean it's funny. I tells people all the time especially during cove nineteen is like when people say Gosh. It really seems like you're really thriving during this and I'm doing a lot of work on the non-profit side with first responders and my hometown in Jackson Hole. And I say like I'm doing the ten things you know. It's not that that's the only way to thrive but for me by focusing on these small things and now most of them are just automated in my life. It helps me start my day better. It helps me. Have Energy and positivity through the day better helps me basically make sense of what happened during the day better and so I really think the key even outside of the made for program but made four is designed to help people with this is really not to think that. There's any silver bullet. There is any kind of magical gene that some people who thrive have that others donor certain income level. I mean I think that's totally been debunked in terms of money eagles happiness. I mean there's more people who commit suicide in higher income brackets every year than lower income bracket. So what we've found is it's not any of these external things that society has promised. Us that will make us deep sense of fulfillment and joy in purpose and energy to continue doing the work that you do. But it's these internal practices and that's what we teach you with made for. And that's what I'm committed to every day. Thank you so much for walking us through your journey to starting made for now if it's okay with you. I'd like to put some questions to you. From and on behalf of our audience to hear your advice for business owners looking for a little bit of guidance in this time and the first one comes from a listener in my hometown. Have a listen. Hi there. This is Margaret Dinsdale from Toronto. I had a successful natural skin care company a few years ago for about twelve years and There's a number of family events that occurred. I sold my business. I wrote a best selling book called skin deep about it and wrote some articles. Recently an old friend contacted me interested in starting up a new venture and we were all on board. I used my access to the world's medical and scientific databases to prepare really Nice Line of unique products with great sustainable packaging. And we were just about to go into pre production when covy nineteen stopped cold so taking a step back and we're thinking of looking at a soft September launch now. We were going to go ahead with online sales. Of course anyways mail order as well subscription boxes and that sort of thing but we're also looking at brick and mortar health food stores but sheriff's a big retailer of our products. So I guess my question is is what would the future hold for brick and mortar and for online sales. Thank you so much and I hope you all have a good day. Great question there and Blake. Obviously that plays into a little bit of your your last company or the last one you built anyways and Tom's which which did have obviously a need to be in brick and mortar but obviously direct to consumer is is massive these days. What would be the important thing? Do you think for Margaret. Focus on this stage. Where she says she's kind of had to take a step back. Yeah I mean I. One hundred percent would focus on Dec. I mean you know. I think that you know almost all the great brands that are being built during this time or establishing themselves I directly with the consumer really finding that key customer and it's more cost effective and during this time it's more simple. There's a number of reasons but yeah I mean the short answer is d to see is the way to go and if you if you can't build a business and it's very hard to build it through brick and mortar. Yeah that's interesting. You see a lot of other brands obviously Later branch into physical retail and it becomes an important part of their war parker away. There's there's many other examples like that so you know in going direct to consumer. Then what would be sort of the most important part to get right before you decide to hit the launch? Well I think I think the thing get right is having reorders in a lot of people will buy something once they might get a promotion or they might hear about on a podcast or something. But it's really about viewers and bring that back to made for you know like you know we are seventy five bucks month if you pay for the whole thing or ninety five dollars a month if you do it month to month but something like ninety two percent of people who start the program finished the program and so that to me is saying that they're getting value month after month and it's the same thing in any business like you've gotta be seeing real really Enthusiasts that are reordering month after month especially in skin care. I mean I think skin cares exactly in that category. Like if you try cream or whatever and you don't get it again will then. Obviously something is not working with the product. Great answer there and We hope that works for Margaret in Toronto. Secondly Blake I would love to just ask you about companies right now who are thinking about setting up. A charitable element of the business. Obviously a lot of companies right now are doing what they can't support their communities to support healthcare workers where they are but before all this happened. A lot of people are thinking about sustainability customers are demanding that companies be a little bit more transparent. They move in that direction for someone that set up the sort of big companies that gave the one to one or created it with Toms. You know what would be your advice for someone that wants to set that up and and put it sort of inside the business from the very start or perhaps transition into that foreign existing business. Well first off. I think it's easier if you start with that because then it's integrated into the DNA of the business and the offering to the customer and if you have investors than with full transparency that part of the profits are going to be going to that but you could also integrated later. It's just harder. I think the most important thing I tell. People is just gotTa be deeply connected to the whole business like can't be a side thing came. We sell skin care and we help elephants in Africa. You know like I mean and you see a lot of that. Frankly you know because the the founder or the management team. I'd be really passionate about animal rights and the business has nothing to do with animal rights. They try to slap it on and it just doesn't work the consumer so it really needs to be connected to what they're buying what service are experiencing into had that direct correlation. Just a bonus question. I'm thinking about here. Blake for you. And perhaps lastly as someone that has sought out different opportunities. And just see on these things that you're seeing as money making ventures or as good business building ventures in your past thinking of when you put up billboards or started a laundry service. That's a university. You know all these things out of this pandemic obviously people will be thinking about where opportunity lies. Is there anything you might have your eye on right now? Obviously your an investor as well is there any sort of a place where you there might be great opportunity in the days weeks and years ahead as we move out of this pandemic I mean I think I think a big part is is mean the platform Ron. Right now right. I mean Zoom's not going to be the only player skype doing player. I think every time you think. Something's every bell whistles been thought of. There's a new opportunity I think there's going to be more and more virtual working both because of the pandemic but also I don't think this is GonNa be the last pandemic You know So I think to be thinking about like okay. What are the key tools that allowed us to continue to do business to continue to keep human connection to make the quarantine more bearable and really? I is an entrepreneur looking to start a new business or make a list of what were the things that I valued the most during my time. In which companies of those do I feel? There's the least amount of competition in that space. So that could be food delivery. It could be in video videoconferencing and could be in. You know finding a way to still send you know birthday presents graduation present things like that. I mean I haven't done the exercise myself but that's the exercise I would do. That's really interesting. You know we talk about on the show. We have talked about in recent weeks a lot about the importance of brand in these times. People are looking for a great story to to help them through and align themselves with as well they want to spend their money in the right places so so that's quite an important thing. How how do you think people might go about starting to build that? Obviously you've done it in past with Toms and starting something new now. So what are the steps you know to to get people to come along on that journey and really find out about what you are about? Well I think it has to be something that they can self identify with. You know so like part of the reason why I'm so open and transparent about my own struggle with mild depression in two thousand and fifteen is. I know. There's lot of people out there that are startling. The same way and the made for program could be really really good for or maybe it hasn't got so severe that they're labeling is depression but the just feeling a little bit knocked around by life you know. They're kind of feeling like they're not sleeping as well as they used to. Or they don't feel that their body moves away they want it to or they don't feel they ever have a break for themselves and so these modern living challenges is exactly why we built made for and I think in creating the made for Brandon and really getting people respond to it. What one of the most important things is to be really authentic and transparent about our own personal stories that led to the creation of the program? And so I would say for any entrepreneur has business. That starting out like really. Make sure that your motivation for being business is aligned with your values and your personal story and then use that in this time as a way to share that because people really connect to personal stories much more than any kind of marketing or advertising. Bullshit very well said and I think that could Relate to all types of businesses from brick and mortar to DC all kinds of businesses around the world of Blake. This has been fascinating. Thank you so much for your time. Yeah Wonderful Interview. Thank you so much. Have a great day. Blake my coffee founder of Toms and the CO founder of made for my thanks to play for his time. You can find out more at get made for dot com thanks as well to our producer Holly Fischer into Christine Evans. Mixed and edited this. Show don't forget to get your questions in for next week's expert panel question at Monaco Dot Com. I'm Daniel wage. Thank you so much for listening and goodbye

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Short Stuff: Petticoat Rulers

Stuff You Should Know

13:40 min | 4 months ago

Short Stuff: Petticoat Rulers

"Hey and welcome to the short stuff. I'm Josh and there's Chuck. This is short stuff and this is a good one. I'm I'm excited about this one chuck. Let's go go go. Yeah I. Mean we're talking about petticoat rulers and it might surprise people considering America today is ranked eighty one out of one hundred, ninety, three countries in women representation government that we actually had. women who were mayors and city council people way back in the eighteen hundreds. Yeah they're a two towns in particular Owes Collusive Kansas in Connecticut Utah that had elected all female town councils in eighteen, eighty, eight, nineteen, twelve respectively, which is pretty substantial but then Jackson Wyoming home to famous Jackson Hole Wyoming. Which I guess is a hamlet or a Burger, some sort of affiliated town but it's basically the same place from what I understand Oh may oregon to get some email from the Jackson people. they said, you know what? Hold our beer are hold ourselves parrilla because we're GONNA one up both of those towns and in nineteen twenty year that women were granted suffrage by the Constitution or the bill of rights I should say that same year. Jackson. Wyoming elected not only in all woman town council chuck but also a mayor, a woman mayor for the first time ever and the that group these petticoat rulers they came to be known appointed women to the highest positions in the town clerk health treasurer, and Marshall in that. Amazing. It is amazing and I'm I was surprised to see that the first woman elected mayor in the United States was all the way back in eighteen eighty seven. Yeah. I had an I had no idea. Yeah. It was a Gloria Kansas her name was Well, this one was the one I believe we covered her before in something Susanna Salter who was placed on the ballot is Sort of a prank. By men in the town who didn't think that women should hold office, they put her on the ballot thinking that she would be humiliated in it set women back politically and she didn't know she was on the ballot. It was like a blind ballot until the day of the election. And she she one that's all an went on to be mayor the other ones Qaluza. Mary de Lohman. She was legitimately elected mayor in the first woman elected as mayor In Kansas with an all city council full of women nothing. But ladies that's amazing. But the the thing is yeah, like we we think about it today and we're like that's just that's unheard of you know like literally unheard of I hadn't heard about that before but the the state of Wyoming's actually known as the equality state in one of the. Reasons why is because? You know we associate nineteen twenties the year that women were granted. The right to vote does the national thing they had the right to vote back in eighteen, sixty, nine in Wyoming. So it kind of gives it a little more texture or context or both to know that that women already had the right to vote for. More than fifty years before Miller in all female town council where elected in Jackson. Yeah. That's how Mary Lohman one in Oscar Lusa is they had in Kansas they had the right to vote in municipal elections. And they won by a two to one margin on the Oscar Lusa improvement ticket. I'm the one in Utah was interesting too, and they both kind of had similar stories in that when they got an office. one of their big things was to Kinda just. Clean up the town collect back taxes I. think they had something like two hundred dollars in collected taxes just because people just refuse to pay and they went around personally to the houses I think they left office with two thousand dollars in the city coffers. and then Mary Wooley Chamberlain of Connecticut Utah She was mayor for two years and she had a female city council and she was one of the enacted one of the first leash laws for dogs. Oh cool and then wanted to protect local business. So she enacted a a daily tax on traveling salesmen coming through town. Because she was like you can't just come through town, steal a bunch of business and leave. With your pockets full. So we're GONNA tax you guys per day just to kind of drive business to protect local business. That's some smart government right there. Yeah. Well, let's take a break. We'll come back and talk about some more smart government that was instituted by women around the turn of the last century. Okay. Let's do it. Stop. Much. Dot Com. Hey stuff you should know listeners it's your friends Josh in shock and we want to tell you that the weather channel which is an IBM business is working with artificial intelligence to develop an entirely new kind of forecast when that predicts seasonal allergy risk. That's pretty great. I gotTa tell. You and not sure if you knew this but whether an allergies have always had a powerful connection because trees produce pollen when it's warm right Kim that up check then you've got rain and humidity bring it right back down. But there's a lot more to it right Oh. Yeah. I mean how hard does it rain or how quickly does the temperature change or what types of plants are growing in your neighborhood all of these different factors, kind of add up to create some really complicated math trite. So IBM and the weather channel developed allergy insights with Watson a new kind of risk prediction system for allergies, and what it does is it uses IBM Watson machine learning to find hidden correlations between the world's most accurate weather data. And hundreds of millions of allergy cases reported nationwide and Watson then uses these learnings to create hyper local forecasts right down to the ZIP code predicting the risk of allergies up to fifteen days before they hit. Yeah. It's a chance for anyone with allergies to stay informed and enjoy nice days for what they are. Allergy insights with Watson is one of many innovations IBM's developing together with the weather channel. You can find the local allergy risk forecast in the weather channel mobile APP and on whether dot. com. This episode is brought to you by IBM, today, every answer matters more than ever before because whether it's about health deliveries or finance some things just can't wait. That's why IBM's helping businesses manage millions of calls, texts, and chats with Watson Assistant. It's conversational a I designed to help your customers, find the answers they need faster no matter the industry. Let's put smart to work with IBM DOT COM Slash Watson Assistant to learn more. All right. So Chuck, you said, Kim Nabs town council were elected by a two one margin. I saw the same thing to for Jackson's petticoat rulers which really kind of goes to underscore this. This was not like some fluke or joke like the first female mayor in America Salt Salter is that what you said her name was yes Hussein assaulter reminds me her story reminds me of Elizabeth Blackwell Getting Into Med school. Remember it was supposed to be in kind of blew up in the face with that's probably what I was thinking of actually. Yeah. Yeah. Because I don't remember talking about Susanna Salter before either but the fact that they won that the petticoat rulers and the CAB Utah Town Council won by like a to margin really shows that this is not like a joker, a fluke I think one woman, one of the city council members beat her husband in the election in jazz and in. Nineteen twenty those crabtree. Yeah, and which they had to tastes pretty pretty sweet and then the The fact is that a lot of them were reelected when they came up for reelection. So not only was it a good idea. They proved themselves as worthy for re-election to and some of the things they did like you said, they beefed up the town coffers I saw they didn't institute a Leash Law Jackson but they did criminalize littering for the first time they cleaned up the town square meaning that they didn't allow cattle-grazing there anymore that was another thing they did what else? they graded the streets they said, how about some street lights and street lamps? let's expand. Service. Let's get a cemetery going in this town is everyone's always shooting each other. Right or they used to in the men ran the place. That was another thing I saw too I mean. You were talking about the back taxes being collected in in getting like an additional eighteen, hundred dollars into the Treasury One of the things that I saw I think it was an Jackson Hole newspaper. The reason for that was that the town had been run like really insistently by men up to that point and there was like this this kind of pioneer spirit where. was expected to take care of their neighbor and everyone didn't stepped up when help is needed. But it it wasn't like a organized structural civic. Pride and that that's what the petticoat rulers came in and instituted they. They basically said, hey, you know that the whole take care your neighbor thing there's actually a lot of things we could be doing you know through government and let's let's just let's start doing that and that actually kind of took off. grace, Miller, the mayor of sh she was Jackson right yeah. She said in an interview, we simply tried to work together. We put into practice. The same thrifty principles we exercise in our own homes we only clean well-kept progressive town in which to raise our families what is good government, but breathing space for good citizenship. And it sort of reminds me of that quote I don't know the exact quote, but it's sort of like if you want if he want the job done on time and right like Hira working mom or something like that I think you're talking about. Something to do like lipstick and pit bulls. Now. Is that a different one I think so okay. the one you're talking about a tremendous amount of sense though So the the the the petticoat rulers came in from what I understand there's a town historian Morgan Albertson GonNa take a stab at this last name. Jawan. But he sure J. O. E. N. it's a beautiful just beautiful in. Either way, it looks very, very nice spelled out but historian the who were just GonNa. Call this person. The historian basically said that the petticoat ruler shaped shape. Jackson in. Jackson hole into the town that they they know in love today and that it may have just kind of. Town that ended up deserted in misused, and mistreated, and misgoverned, and lost to history The historians will to go so far as to say that either way they the rulers definitely deserve credit for for shaping the place. But the weird thing is chuck is like despite how successful the all female town council and Mayor in appointed positions was for Jackson I. It's like the town was like, okay. Well, we tried that let's wait another eighty or so years. Before we do it again. Yeah. We tried that worked out really great So let's just wait till the nineteen eighty S. yeah. Nineteen eighty was the first time that women city council people were elected again and it wasn't until two thousand one when they had another woman mayor Jean Jackson was elected in two thousand one. So it went from mayor. Miller a Grace Miller in nineteen twenty, two Gene Jackson in two thousand one that was quite a drought. Yeah. you got anything else. I got nothing else. We salute them I I do too but I have one last thing the. The women were all members originally of what was called the pure foods club, which was a social group that met a couple of times a month, and that's where the idea to run was hatched and nurtured and back group is still around today but call themselves the birthday club but isn't that adorable this group's been around since the early nineteen hundreds and they still meet twice a month and now men are allowed. I love the birthday club I WANNA be in that group they will let you in your man and likable. So I think those are the two qualifications and I have birthdays you do your birthday. Well. Yeah. Hats off to the petticoat rulers and all the women who helped shape the United States then and now and I. Guess that means short stuff is out. Stuff you should know is production of iheartradio's how stuff works for more podcasts. My heart radio is at the iheartradio APP, apple podcasts or wherever you listen to your favorite shows.

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8: Beginners Guide to the Stock Market with Kristen Lemke

Smash Your Damn Goals

21:04 min | 2 years ago

8: Beginners Guide to the Stock Market with Kristen Lemke

"Hello, gorgeous and welcome to the smash revamp goals podcast I'm your host Jay scarring? Coast Guard License Second Assistant Engineer at an operations engineer for a major energy company. I am also the Creator and Founder Up Level Wildly Coaching a program empowers women to Dream Big Deli and take massive action to reach their goals. This show is where we talk about the talk. You were made for big things. Edition is not a dirty word. I'm going to show you how to dream. Big Daily Thrive and less than ideal environments, and how to make your way to the top. My mission is to share inspiring stories and empower you to live a life that is wild. One here more on after today's episode. Be Sure sign up for my newsletter at smasher. Down Goals Stop, talking for more of my daily strategies have really worked your dream. Life requires bold action. Starts? Hello Gorgeous and welcome to today's episode of smashing Damn Goals One of the goals of this show is to help. Women learn things that will help not just their career, but their personal life as well today. I have with me Kristen Lung. lemke founder of the beginner's guide to the stock market. Kristen thanks for being on today. I'm so excited to have you. Thanks for having me on your show excited to be here to start off. Can you tell me a little bit about yourself and how you got interested in stocks in the first place? Yeah so it's kind of. It seems kind of random for me and my life story, but I grew up in Jackson Wyoming and actually went to college for Veterinary Technology in Eastern Wyoming College, and now I live back in Sheridan Wyoming. And I've always had really been into Rodeo up and riding horses since I was three years old, and I got into Rodeo early round for fourth grade. And anybody that knows anything about Rodeo. Noses extremely expensive have. and I. You know I had a fulltime job inside jobs and I. I was tired of having somebody else determine how much I was worth, and it really just wasn't doing it for me. so i. that's kind of how my side hustles started my actually used to wash windows, and along the train horses fracture money, but never really brought in a large chunk, so I realized I needed to make a bigger impact on my income, if I wanted to live the life that I wanted. My boyfriend and I. Actually both trade stocks and we're both Louis. Self taught with no financial background. May consistently making good money in the stock market meeting. Kind of do things we WANNA do. I have horses run a Horse Boarding Facility as well and he puts cars. We find his really old unique one, thousand, nine, hundred, fifty sixty seventy vehicles in slips, and seldom so that's kind of how we got that started. Very cool! Yeah I, so I love that you guys have different forms of passive income I think they said like out of all the millionaires. Most of them have at least six forms of passive income, so it's really really cool that you guys have kind of different hustles going on. But It sounds like stocks have been kind of the biggest moneymaker for you guys. Yes definitely kind of been the backbone to everything. Our other side hustles are more kind of. Hobbies that we really like to do. You have to have cash on hand to be able to do it Say you need to have money to make money, yeah! So and that's been kind of the easiest thing for us because you can. Trade as little or as much money as you want, so you know that if you don't have a lot of twenty dollars, you are one of our most recent students in two thousand dollars and came out with one hundred dollars first day so. You can kind of do whatever works for you. So, how would you recommend that? Someone who has absolutely no experience get started. And what advice would you have a total newbie? I would say first off Don't be intimidated. I know it can look very intimidating of out of your league. When you start looking at the charts, you know there's all kinds of different graphs and numbers apart to figure out what's going on, but it really isn't that complicated past once you know what's going on. Tomorrow Mom, and there's actually a mean going around some of my stock market face the pages that said all the math that you will ever need in the stock market you learned in the fourth grade, which is absolutely true. It doesn't require a financial background. You have to be the smartest person out there but the first thing that you need to do is find an online broker You can't just call up these companies to buy their socks kind of meet that need the brokers the middleman so I personally use td Ameritrade. The second thing that I would recommend is using the platform thinker swim, which is he? Mayor Trades Mobile APP trader so that's kind of where he can look at the graphs and read and to figure everything out. And the biggest thing is start with paper trading. So you have the option to use real money or trading and paper trading kind of lets you get the hang of things and develop your strategy before us your actual money. If you want to jump right into it, you can, but I would just recommend practicing a little bit to figure out a flow of things. In the last kind of big thing is do your research or take a class like mind that teaches you how to read. The charts how to avoid scams You know all the basic fundamentals that you need to know before you get started as the deadly one half those under your belt, so those kind of my chips for anybody who wants to start out with. Excellent, so yeah, I mean I just want to break this down like really really bay secure. So what is the difference between a platform and a broker? So Td. Ameritrade is the broker and that's kind of what you have to go through. Because when you trade stocks, you have to record it on your income for the I.. R. S. They kind of all of that? They're the middleman that just records. How much money for Dan from a to take out the ones that kind of facilitate the actual trades and their platform is. You can look at the actual charts. Read things search for stocks is had just their. Mobile APP that you can use to do all of your looking in research and reading charts. That kind of thing, okay, so it's more like a resource Sennar you. Call Excellent. So what is the biggest mistake they see? People make when they're getting started. I think the biggest thing and I definitely did that. My boyfriend did it is panic so You know they don't follow their strategy or they don't even have in place so lot times see a stop going up and get greedy, so they buys. It's going up. And then it peaks in the search drop downs in the panic in they sell and end up losing a lot of money so I think it's super important. Especially for women who tend to be more emotional is to have a strategy in place and Wurley stick to that My boyfriend is terrible at this he. Super Smart, but he he gets forward, so he's like I'm going to try something new today and then lose the money he's like. Why do I keep thinking? It's good to have that in place, so you don't. Nobody nobody likes the money. Yeah, yes, so that brings me to my next question, which is should women trade differently than men? If. So why do you believe that? you know I really don't think so. I think we are perfectly capable of trading. Just as well as the men out there it blows my mind a little bit. How few women traders there are so I was actually reading. An article on name is Lauren Simmons and she's the only female stock on the floor of the stock market exchange. And I was reading in her boss. It's not that big of higher women. It's that they don't even apply. We tend to fly for the desk. Jobs or the you know administrative assistant jobs in. A lot of times you know. Like Lord Simmons she didn't even have a background in this in the train you. On the go so I feel like we are absolutely capable of making just as much if not more money in the stock market than men because as women. I feel like we tend to handle stress a lot better you know with our day to day. Lives were the ones that tend to you know. Take care of the kid pay the bills. We're GONNA multitasking so the only thing that we. Need to really make sure is that we have our strategy in place so then when things get emotional than we can. We have something to stick to but I think we are. In my opinion. I think we could even be better than the men. That's so interesting like I work in oil and gas, and so we see actually a lot of the same statistics that women are interested in the jobs once they know that they're out there, but they never even apply so It's crazy. You know that that's kind of consistent throughout the stock market as well. Yeah. I don't know if they just you know. Women have a mindset that Oh, well, that's kind of a man's. Like, the wolf of Wall Street it's pretty much. All men and the women are just panels. The glorified! You know they signed peace. And at least for me. I Want WanNa be I've always been incredibly self sufficient, and I would like you know what I'm not GonNa let him sit there and make all the money I'm GonNa. Do it myself so. Yeah so that being said like. Tell us a little bit about your course. Yeah, so our course ride and I decided to start it because we a lot of our friends. especially you know being in our younger twenties. There's not a lot of people out there who have savings, a savings or really know how to get started saving a lot of money and we have a lot of our friends. Asking is headed how to get started and they're to be lot of interest around it. So, we decided to create this course for someone like us. When we first started, we knew nothing. We had no financial background. You kind of hear a little bit about the stock market if don't know whole lot about it, do you want to make it? Super Easy for someone who knows absolutely nothing or very little to be able to get into the stock market. So we kind of go through all the fundament-. Fundamental steps from you know finding a broker setting up your phone. APP Terminology had read charts Pretty much everything, and then we also do one on one training. The we want people to succeed. I don't think you should have to work nine to five. Your whole life living paycheck to paycheck and I know how great of a feeling it is not have that financial stress. And I think it'd be great if more people knew about that in. It's definitely big goal of mine to have more women get into the stock market Yeah, he yeah I. Mean I have so many single mom friends and single women who feel like you know like on my own. I bought my own property about my own house. You know we are perfectly capable of these things than I. I don't feel like we. We should have this mindset of Oh, well before I can really do anything I need to get married and then find a man to take care of me and that kind of thing, so you know that's a just want to get more women into this realize they can make all this money on their own sure. Yeah, I mean I know the guys at work like they all trade and make a ton of money. Or lose a ton of money some of them, but you ask them. You're like wait. How do you get started? What are you doing? Show me teach me and they're like. Yeah, okay. You just do this this this and this and they're at a level where they've been doing this for five or ten years at this point, and you're like wait now like backup. Start at the beginning. Help a sister out. Where are we? What are we going? Any especially for somebody who's been in it for a while to kind of think back to when you first started, and like okay. What did I need to know? What doesn't make sense? So that's why we use a lot of our friends. Conference Guinea Pigs as well and created the course had them go through it and be like okay. Is there anything that we miss? Is there anything you don't understand, so? We try to make it super super simple. That's awesome. So are there any other resources that you would recommend? I would say that even if you don't take our course of research, take a different course anything to of. Or you can find A. Mentor to kind of teach you a lot of the basic things because there are scams out there and what we call box that kind of in pumpers or pusher, so they kind of influence. People in the stock market like Oh. This you know you really should by this doctor. Really sell this offer the kind of influence you so it's really good to have somebody that either already knows that or take a course about that, so you know what to look for you don't. Lose a bunch of money or your money to a broker to do it. You was a scam, so. I think that super beforehand. How do you recommend kind of avoiding scans? just like with anything else. Just do your research reteach in our class? You kind of wear to do research on stocks aware to fine, and there's a lot of you re comments and see. If you click on their profile, you can see they have a lot of followers are not seeing how to judge if they're real person or not. Just like facebook, you know if you have somebody telling you something you click on the profile and they have like three friends. You know that probably not a super credible source, right? yeah, so just. Do your research. Find a mentor or a class or Any sort of resource teaches you about that in just do your due diligence on everything. Sure. Yeah, that makes perfect sense. Are there any other tips that you can think of for someone wanting to get started in the stock, market. I would say that if you WANNA, get into the stock market. Just start now. I can tell you right now that it gets addicting especially when you start making some good money and I just read on the New York Stock Exchange that. The. Stock market has been up for nine consecutive weeks, and that has not happened since nineteen sixty four. So you know things are looking pretty good and. You know if you with just like with anything. If you WANNA, get started. You can't drag this whole time. To jump in, and you can't stop working. Is You have the option you paper trading? So you can practice all you want until you get to a level where you feel like you make some good money and then get started. Yeah how many hours would you recommend like? People have to commit to something like best. How many hours do you spend like? Is it half hour a day? Is it like five hours a day? What are you looking at? you know it really just depends. We have a lot of people ask US questions about. You know if they've work nine to five job. How can they trade stocks because the stock market is open only so long? And there's an option where you can actually automate things so. You can do all of your research at night and depending on your level just depends on. You know how long it's. GonNa take us I. Mean we only put in couple hours here and there in the week? interaction are trading actually you know. Thirty minutes in the morning and then here and there throughout the afternoon, so it really isn't a huge time. Constraints when you're first starting out in your trying to research stocks and find which warns you want to trade and this and that. You can do it after the stock market closed. Because Td Ameritrade is actually open twenty four seven. You just can't actually make trades until the market opens again, but you can do all the research evening, which may take for start out may take a few hours figuring out what? you know which ones you want to invest in that kind of thing, but you know overall really doesn't want to get the hang of things. It's only maybe a couple of hours a week and you can make. Big Money so I mean to me, it's the greatest side-hustle. Did they go so? That's awesome and I love that he said get started today like they say that. The best time to plant a tree was twenty years ago, but the second best time is right now. especially with investing whether you, WanNa do day, trading, swing, trading, or a longer term hold. You gotta start somewhere and especially doing a longer term. Hold you want. Start yesterday basically. START ACCUMULATING THAT MONEY? Yeah, real quick. You just mentioned a bunch of terms. Can you clarify each of those for listeners like the different types of trading? you know there? There's a whole bunch. Day Trading Swing trading are what Ryan I do an day. Trading is kind of a shorter term trading so that usually it can be you know assured as just a few minutes where you are reading your stocks waiver to drop down and hits court to. That's where you know. Can kind of. Hard to sleep without seeing a chart, but there's support resistance to support it kind of goes down. You see the graph. Go down kind of flattened out a little bit in. It's not breaking past a certain point so that your support. Let's where you want to buy. Because, usually when it has good support will start going back up. so with you know day trading each watch that sometimes occur wicker trade where swing trading a little bit a little bit slower, you can You know you might hold onto day or so just depending on what the stock is doing, and like I, said you watch your support, and then when it hits resistance, which is just the exact opposite starts hitting a ceiling, and it's not breaking past it, and then you can kind of predict it may go down so Yeah, those are just a few of the terms there's there's a ton of different types of trading, but those are the main ones that we do. If you WANNA, make money you know quickly. Sure. Yeah, that makes sense so I'M GONNA. Drop your class website here in the show notes that everyone who's interested can find that, but else. Can people connect with you? I have a blog. Age also has a stock work group attached to it. It's called the thrifty Calvin. that was on facebook and then I also have an instagram that's called beginner's guide to stocks in underscore. Were all the spaces are in that one I really liked instagram. Because it's a lot of I, try to teach a little bit on there as well as no give motivation and that kind of thing to kind of keep you going to know when you're when you're starting out in the stock market if it'd be kind of stressful and you want to. See other people who have succeeded and especially in our facebook group. The Guy Guide to stocks facebook group. You know I tried to get a bunch of beginners together so. Help each other out, and you'll have access to that with her courses well also in a ride and I are active on that group as well as other beginners. You can kind of you know. Feed off each other and ask each other questions. We hope you guys out so Yeah, a really good resource I think. Awesome thank you for providing those for us. And thank you so much for your time. I loved having you on. I love being here. Thanks for letting me share this I really hope that it helps them. Women WanNa kind of get into the stock market with me because we definitely need more of you out here. To sign up for Christians course the beginner's guide to the stock market. Check out the link in the show notes as an added bonus. She has generously provided an amazing deal for listeners. Use Code Smash. You're damned goals for fifty percent off. All of this information will be in the show notes and thank you so much for tuning into. Thanks for tuning in. Did you love today's episode? If so, don't forget to leave me, review on high tunes. Letting me know what you thought of Smasher. Damn Bulls podcast. Good the bad and of course in favour of takeaway. Learn more about my one one opening and other program visit Master Down Goals Dot Com. Want to connect me. Find me on facebook or instagram gene. Once more inspiration and tips on how to wildly up level. 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High Avalanche Danger Out West Affects Transportation And Ski Areas

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03:49 min | 1 year ago

High Avalanche Danger Out West Affects Transportation And Ski Areas

"To another story now. It's been a chaotic couple of weeks in the rocky mountains where large avalanches have closed highways ski resorts a single storm near Salt Lake City. It triggered a record forty eight slides as NPR's Kirk siegler reports. The increased avalanche risk comes at a time when more and more people are hitting the slopes in the high country. God probably Craggy Teton Mountains of North West Wyoming steep and deep Jackson hole is as a magnet for extreme skiers right. They're buddies goading them on on Matt Beauregard. And Rick lawler drop a fifteen foot cliff in this glade. Area called the tower three shits as just a melody honestly. You were just rep around rounded bounce. Skiing inbounds inside. The patrolled boundaries of the ski resort generally thought to be safer when it comes to avalanches. That's because all season skiers. I've been packing this snow down and stabilising it. But Matt Beauregard knows that's no guarantee we've actually triggered small slides on this exact face. They may duck a rope and ski ski out of bounds into the back country. But even here at the resort. They're wearing avalanche transceivers and safety gear. Just in case education's probably the most important thing. Rick here's wearing an air bag for added protection so in the case that he is stuck inside an avalanche you'll be able to pull this cord and hopefully float to the surface inbounds or in the back country. Avalanche danger is high across the mountain west. An unusually snowy early season followed by drought than dry powder. Storms then a punch of heavy wet snow last weekend in Utah. Today's storm dumped six and a half feet in Little Cottonwood Canyon home to the snowbird and Alta resorts awards and it ended up closing little cottonwood for fifty four hours and forty eight. Avalanches were reported one of those hit. The Road Mickey Champion is a forecaster here at the Utah Avalanche Center. She recorded wind speeds up to a hundred miles an hour on Ridge tops that further destabilize the already volatile snowpack in the Wasatch satch mountains. And then you put a big wrong heavy load or a wind load on top of that it just kind of upside down. It's like a pyramid when you take out the Baser Django when you remove one of the pieces says there were no fatalities reported in Utah. But last month skiers were buried and killed in avalanches within patrolled terrain at resorts in California and Idaho. Oh all of this is putting the round. The clock work. People tasked with keeping these mountains safe under the microscope Jackson Hole. Ski Patrol Director Drew Neilan stepping into his bindings above. You can't see it in the fog now. But there's a big cirque above us here and that's Casper Bowl. All and all that terrain is avalanche terrain every morning at dawn before the tram and the Gondolas Starts Spinning Army of Nielsen's patrol or detonating explosives lives to intentionally trigger slides. Now so skiers don't later and some of these can even be detonated remotely thanks to new robot like trolleys that reach even more dangerous surest remote places. Obviously we worry about avalanches coming down into the heavily congested areas. So that's one of our biggest concerns to get that work done early. Another big concern is simply that more. People are venturing out further into areas. They normally wouldn't have thanks to improved equipment. I think people assume that we're able that. We have the ability to completely eliminate the risk of avalanches within the scary. And that's just not the case but avalanche forecasters say along with the increased risk. It comes a new cachet becoming cool to say. You've taken avalanche courses and Dir as prepared as you can be Kirk Siegler N._p._R.. News Jackson Wyoming.

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Wed. 10/28 - 2020's Best Game Is a Cursed Real Estate Listing

Kottke Ride Home

20:45 min | 3 months ago

Wed. 10/28 - 2020's Best Game Is a Cursed Real Estate Listing

"Welcome to the Khadki ride home for Wednesday October Twenty Eighth Two, thousand twenty, I'm Jackson Bird. A. Look back at one hundred years ago when women rule the notorious wild west town. Some thoughts on the effects of technology on our ability to remember our thoughts in the long term and the Internet is calling it the best game of twenty twenty but it's actually just virtual three D tour of a house for sale. What's going on? Here or some of the cool things from the news today. Election Day is less than a week away here in the United States although over seventy million Americans have already cast their votes don't worry I'm not about to get into anything about the presidential election, but I do WanNa talk about a cool bit of history. So this year, two, thousand, twenty, a record number of women are running for the House of Representatives two, hundred, Ninety, eight of them to be specific, and there was also a record number of women who got further than ever before in the presidential primaries. But despite how far this many women are going this election cycle year on a national scale they have nothing on the once all women lead town of Jackson. Wyoming. This year is the hundredth anniversary of the election of. Grace Miller and her Cabinet of council members rose crabtree. Fuss Tina hates and genevieve. Then flick the one against an all male roster in an election with the highest voter turnout since the town was incorporated six years prior for several of the positions, the women one to one against the men and rose crabtree even beat her husband Henry Crabtree, and despite the wellbeing that he received in the press by all accounts, he took his defeat in stride. To put a few dates into context here nineteen twenty was the year that the Nineteenth Amendment was ratified granting women across the country. The right to vote although effectively just extending that right to white women. Wyoming however had granted women the right to vote over fifty years prior in eighteen, sixty nine, and though they were the first US state in which women one their suffrage the first women actually voted in Utah who passed state suffrage to women only a few weeks after Wyoming but had an election on the calendar at an earlier date. So SARAF young schoolteacher from salt, Lake City became the first woman to legally vote in the US on Valentine's Day in eighteen seventy. And a brief aside about Utah while women did win the right to vote in eighteen seventy it was actually taken away again in eighteen eighty seven. This is because part of how suffrage passed to begin with in Utah was because so men who were invested in ending the then Mormon practice of polygamy believed that giving women, the vote would empower them to vote against polygamy. They didn't anticipate however that many Mormon women would actually use their vote to continue support for polygamy and to protest anti polygamy initiatives. So anti polygamists ramped up there other methods to abolish polygamy putting pressure on the Mormon Church or the Church of Latter Day saints to Disavowal Polygamy and written into many of their proposed anti polygamy bills were measures to revoke women's suffrage because you know after all, they'd only given women the right to vote as pawns in their game, and since it didn't work, they were taking that right-back. Despite women's organizing efforts the Edmunds Tucker. act. Passed in eighteen, eighty seven taken away. All Utah Women's right to vote whether Mormon or not polygamist or not married or not. But later in eighteen ninety LDS. Church President Wilford Woodruff officially ended the practice of polygamy in the church paving the way for Utah to be accepted as a US state and following their constitutional convention women were once again given the right to vote and hold office now twenty six years after they had originally won it. So just one of many examples of women, voters being disenfranchised bullets returning to the more positive story of the all woman lead town, of Jackson, Wyoming. Important. Notes, it wasn't actually even the first all woman town council in the US that distinction goes to Kaluga Kansas in eighteen, eighty eight. But Jackson was unique in filling all of the remaining government roles with women quoting Atlas Obscure Marta winger became the town clerk. Edna huff the health officer and Violin. Beck. The treasurer while Pearl Williams of five foot tall twenty, two year old Dynamo nabbed the position of Marshall and quotes. And they're all women government was exceptionally successful quoting again within a fortnight, the women raised the town coffers from two hundred dollars to two thousand dollars by rounding up money. Do the previous male leaders hadn't bothered to actually collect taxes. They created a more concrete town square by grading the surrounding streets and installing electric lights mindful that Jackson needed a proper place to mourn the ladies all described as councilman in the official minutes bought the title to a forty Acre plot that became Aspen Hill cemetery and built a road leading to the graveyard. They also instituted a bit civility by prohibiting cattle grazing in public areas, as well as the launching of firecrackers and other explosives and quotes. And there are a number of factors that led both to these women being elected and their success. We often think of the wild west as a man's world very macho place, a white American man's ideal. Then Jackson Wyoming indeed was known at the time for being the place that all outlaws to refugees, but the frontier was a bit more diverse than our history books tell in terms of gender race and even sexuality. If you were different, it was a lot easier to live your life. However, you saw fit on a rural prairie away from many other people verses in the social sardine-tin of a big city. And while they were definitely more men than women at least early on women grew in numbers over the years and they tend to be more proactive about getting down to business than their city counterparts especially during the days when home steadying was still a decent way to make living things like city government weren't high on many people's minds out in Wyoming. which left a relative opening for women to come in and take care of problems. They saw community, which is exactly what Mayor Grace Miller and her council members did. Unfortunately while they were very successful, Jackson Wyoming would go without another woman council member until the nineteen eighties and without another woman mayor until two thousand one even now Wyoming ranks forty eighth in the country for gender representation in their state legislature. The reasons for this are not dissimilar to the lack of equal gender representation anywhere else the election of an all woman governments in nineteen twenty was more of an aberration than. A feminist declaration in Wyoming, politics wasn't a job many people wanted to do with the time especially men but as Wyoming became less centered on home setting men eventually became more interested in town politics and took over pushing women out using the same stereotyping and myths being employed elsewhere and to this day blitz it is still very cool and kind of reassuring to know that it happened once and maybe will again someday soon. In discussions about investing experts always knew that it's important to have a diversified portfolio stocks, bonds, mutual funds, that kind of thing. But if you've ever looked at a breakdown of the most successful portfolios, you'll typically see a diversified set of real estate. So why isn't it? One of the first asset classes you consider when you're looking to diversify simple it hasn't been available to investors like. 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I think most of us have probably noticed at some point that we maybe don't remember things as well as we used to. Is it because we're taking in so much more information and stimulation than ever before is it because we know we have access to any information we could want. So there's no reason to remember it or is this simply a symptom of aging that many of us are trying to explain away by blaming Technology Scott Taylor, the global head of product for investments, AI at AIG, and general man about the Internet wrote a blog post musing on this topic the other day that I found pretty interesting he's no on it, but he did a bit of researched backup is thoughts. The first thing to know is that there's not just a short term memory and long term memory. There's actually three types of memory sensory working and long-term. Sensory memory or a register is as you likely guest based on our five senses. Ultra short term memory lasting only a few seconds sometimes but if attention is paid to the information being registered that gets converted to you're working memory. Taylor explains working and long thus quotes when I look back at my childhood or I remember some basic words from French I'm drawing on portions, my brain involved in long term memory. But when I'm trying to hold a few ideas in mind connect them together so that I can understand a concept or solve a problem I'm using my working memory and quotes. And in that working memory, it's believed we can only hold for chunks of information in our heads at a time. You know think of when you're trying to remember something and you keep repeating it to yourself until you can write it down or even sometimes close your eyes to block out other stimuli and keep what you're trying to remember in your head, and that makes sense not only in terms of the limited amount of chunks of information we. Can hold in our heads but also because the main way to convert a working memory to a long term memory is via repetition in an interesting note quote, the forgetting curve as it's called is steepest during the first twenty four hours after you learn something exactly how much you forget percentage wise varies but unless you review the material much of its slips down the drain, what you remember after day one has a good chance of still being retained. Fifty and quotes. Now, while the working memory only has space for four chunks, the long term memory is almost infinite bullet can store so much that some memories berry others being able to find those memories again and make connections is where the working memory comes back into play accessing these memories works best with a strong foundation to your long term memory. But Taylor, points out with spend time committing as much to our long term memory on purpose these days because we have so much technology to store or recall the information for us. And as Taylor puts it quote in this day and age this recall memory has become less necessary. Recognition memory is more important. I e the ability to judge that are president of a person place or event has previously been encountered were expected. Research has shown that the Internet functions as a sort of externalised memory. When people expect to have future access to information, they have lower rates of recall of the information itself as one study puts it if you know that you know. Something, and you know how to retrieve it. Thank you Google that performs pretty much the same function as having a brain stuffed with lots of long term memories and the new network thought APPs allow us to make interesting connections between these various bits of stored knowledge in much. The same way that a well-stocked memory does end quotes, which is all fine for now but what happens in the case of some sort of a pocket lips that wipes out access to the internet or computers? Are Our brains actually changing permanently on an individual or in the long term species wide basis in the event of an apocalypse would those of us privileged enough to have this kind of memory altering access to information be at a memory disadvantage? User six dimensional on hacker news commented in response to this article that perhaps even this was a feature and not a bug quote maybe the ability to recall small detailed facts was evolutionary less important than building models in our brains. So we offloaded recording small facts while I think we can still ingest and build slash train our neural nets just fine in our brains and quotes. Overall I don't think we really have anything to worry about too much, but it is some very interesting food for thought. So. Interesting. I may even try to commit it to my long term memory. So, here's something that has apparently taken some parts of the Internet by storm the last few days although I didn't actually hear about it until this morning. It appeared to be just a humble house listing on real estate site red fin a quite large three bed forbath red brick home in Louisville that over the years has served as a church school and a home business. TV writer and actor Jimmy Jaffe tweeted on Monday quote A. Found this in a facebook group the person who posted said tour in three. Try to find the bathtub. Enjoy and quotes, and she included a link to the listing. The Virtual Three D tour in question on the house listing was taken down last night without explanation, but not before it became so popular that some people were referring to the quest to find the bathtub in the virtual tour as the best game of twenty twenty others wondered if it was a halloween PR stunt by red. Fin. And gamers competing in speed runs to see who could find the bathtub the quickest. Literally there are multiple. Let's play videos and three different competition categories. Part of why it took off is because the house is just bizarre and confusing some called it Lebron Theun by the looks of it even going in person you might get lost on your first few visits but certainly within the confines of a virtual tour and house itself to is interesting there are weird features like a bathroom with two toilets. It's very cluttered not tidied up in the way you'd expect a house being photographed for the market to. Be leading to lots of tiny gyms to be discovered as you walk through and several of the rooms have boxes piled from floor to ceiling leading many to correctly guess that the occupants run some sort of reselling business. The real PS to resist on however is the bathtub in question wants it is eventually found. You will see a blue tile sort of open room with stairs leading to nowhere dirty and disheveled just like the rest of the house. So, what the heck is going on here fortunately, Andy Bell as ever managed to get to the bottom of it. He got in touch with the homeowner Troy Curtis who happily cleared a few things up first before bow got in touch other Internet sleuths had already discovered some criminal charges linked to the House Curtis. Explains that he and his family by items cheap and resell them on places like Amazon marketplace, an Ebay, a two, thousand, fourteen raid on the house discovered. Many of the items they were trying to sell were indeed stolen curtis maintains he had no idea that they were stolen by the. person that he bought them from and he's almost at the end of his probationary period and that he still makes his living reselling items but avoids Amazon now and mostly sells on Ebay as for the house it is used as an inventory space for all of that reselling, which explains the huge amount of random junkin boxes. It's strange layout and architecture stem from its history. It began as a small house in the nineteen fifties with two larger sections added later in the seventies, it was originally a Church of Christ, in Christian school before becoming a home to Curtis in previously some of his family members. And the church aspect explains the Super Weird Bathtub. It used to be Baptismal Tub that opened into the sanctuary. When Curtis his family moved in they added walls in hooked up plumbing. So it could work as a shower despite the unusual house serving his unusual reselling business. Well, for many years, Curtis is now looking to sell because his business is doing so well that he actually needs a bigger space to store all his inventory and when Kurt decided to sell the real estate agent asked to come take photos and shoot for a virtual tour a testament to the strange layout of the house. The agent said that a process that usually takes half an hour took a full three hours to complete. And a final peace to the mystery why late last night, the virtual tour was removed from the house's listing on Red Fin and for people who were going to the direct link for the tour that they had saved where it was still accessible. The bathtub was no longer anywhere to be found. Curtis says he didn't know it was going to be taken down and wasn't told but bow reached out to the broker and discovered it had nothing to do with the bathtub actually. But rather what you saw on the tour just before entering the Bath Tub. A large shelf overflowing with girls gone wild DVD's. For Curtis's part he says he hopes it's reinstated. He wants to try hockey those DVD's as souvenirs for people who found the bathtub. Like I said, the link is missing from the official listing, but it is still live a bathtub and girls gone wild shelf. So if you'd like to see the House for yourself link is in the show notes Godspeed. That's it. For today as always, the show was produced by ride home media and Khadki Dot Org I am Jackson Bird and I'm going to go do some memory exercises to try to keep my brain shape in case of apocalyptic disaster I hope you have a good rest of your day and talk to you again tomorrow.

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Ep 69 Veterans Day! Veterans Day!

Living the Freedom Life

08:22 min | 2 months ago

Ep 69 Veterans Day! Veterans Day!

"I just found out that this broadcast goes further than i expected a living. The freedom life isn't just in the united states anymore. While i want to say welcome to our listeners that are abroad zachariah. Four ten says despite is these small beginnings for the lord rejoices to see the work began. It doesn't matter where you are or where you stand on political issues here in the states this wednesday we will celebrate veterans day. The people who served our nation in preserved our freedom. Well that's what we're talking about this week on living the freedom live. Welcome to living the freedom life feedback from some of our coaching clients. Say it's a podcast. Some it's devotional and other say it's an introduction to a community and whether we realize it or not we all have a desire to live it. We want it and we need it living the freedom life. And here's your host author and certified coaching expert. Comic murray may have our problems and issues as a nation but our everyday freedom is only afforded to us by people. We should celebrate next wednesday on veterans day. You don't have to think very long to find someone you know who served our country. Please make sure and thank them for freedom. Even if you don't especially if you don't know them this wednesday walk up to someone that you recognize as a veteran and genuinely thank them for serving you and securing your freedom that i hope that you exercise in our nation while i was watching a recruiting video the other day and it was introducing a new branch of our military. You may already know about this but it said due to a shift in the security environment in space. It's validating the nation's newest branch of the military. The united states space force there were touting their motto semper supra which means always above. They conclude that the skies not the limit. I looked at some videos explaining what they're causing their motion is and you can see them to. We'll have a link in the show notes where he can take a look at them. They're not only focusing on space exploration and emulating. What you may have seen in a movie or tv show. They're starting out well. According to the scale of things they're starting out small they introduced and the need for our immediate atmosphere and the security of it. Everything that we do depends on satellite connectivity and the space force will begin their focus on the importance of keeping that network's stable secure and safe. Think about this. We're only one generation removed from people not knowing how to even turn a computer on much less care to depend on it now. I don't have to explain to you how important our devices are today. The dsm five even explains that our attention toward our devices are far excessive in 'cause other peripheral behavioral issues but cyber attacks and data manipulation. Those are probably some of the greatest threats to our nation in this day and age and these networks. Not only give us the capability to say. Hello to aunt edna up in jackson wyoming but it controls our fuel. Our food traffic commerce any type of financial need. And that's just on a personal level. Think about this on a national scale not just civilians but the welfare of our nation would be at risk. If anything happened we would have to be agile enough to revert back to some of those technologies and military tactics. That are fading away. If we don't get ahead of this growing need of orbital security we have to face it in catastrophe now. I don't know if that's what they call it just made that term up orbital security but you know what i mean something as small as a quarter that's floating in our atmosphere by the way at nineteen miles a second that sixty seven thousand miles an hour. Now that one thing could be now a weapon that could take out an entire satellite supplying data to an entire region affecting millions. That's a pretty big deal and it needs protecting. I don't know about you but not everyone can go up into space. It takes a lot of training. I mean everybody's seen the movie the right stuff right so they already have recruitment they already have boot camps in place and active with leadership in place. They're ready to go. Well if you think that. I've gotten off track from talking about celebrating veterans day. Well no i haven't at all. I've been in fact explaining the importance of veterans day. All along now veterans. I hope i don't offend any of you here. You see a lot of people. Think that veterans day is all about old people honoring those who served in wars that we read about in the history books and that's not accurate at all as a civilian. There are things on a global scale that go on daily that we don't know about that. I don't want to know about because i can't do anything about those issues but they still need to be taken care of or my personal space. That i enjoy will be well. Let's just say it'll be disrupted that needs to be protected and that is personal freedom. That's living the freedom. Life veterans day is not some archaic holiday honoring old people wearing hats with ships and planes on them because in their prime by the way those oh people were well. You wouldn't want to mess with them. A veterans risked their lives gave up their lives and they don't need to be forgotten. We need to make sure go out of our way for once and thank them. Let me put it this way to the amount that we are able to show appreciation to our veterans on this day. Look at how we show. Jesus our gratitude that he gave his life for us now. I'm not trying to guilt on anyone. I've got news for all of us fall. Short of this. Everyone all we can do is live a life worthy of his death. He died a death that we don't have to. He gave up his life and now it's our responsibility to live the life that he was supposed to live here on. Earth veterans day is an earthly example. It's a wakeup call for us to see that there are everyday freedoms that we have that cost someone their life now. It's our duty. It's our responsibility to live a life worthy of someone laying down their life so much challenge today to you is go live alive. That will make that person who is now in eternity. Make that person proud of how they see. You live a pray that they're able to say now. That's why i did what i did. And it was worth the sacrifice. Jesus will speak those words over you. One day when he says well done good and faithful servant until next time living the freedom live. This is carl. We're glad you joined us today. If this was your first time make sure and hit the subscribe button to find out more about comet murray coaching. Please go to our website and there you can book a free initial consultation to get you on the path towards living the freedom life. Thank you so much for listening today and remember we give away what we have. Let's make sure we receive life. We'll see you next thursday and until then let's keep living the freedom life.

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Who Were the Wild West's 'Petticoat Rulers'?

BrainStuff

07:03 min | 6 months ago

Who Were the Wild West's 'Petticoat Rulers'?

"Today's episode is brought to you by Bollandbranch. Which thinks you'll agree that? Their sheets are the softest most comfortable organic cotton sheets on Earth. They support sustainable working conditions in the family owned mills, the craft their products, and the quality shows. They sent me a set of gorgeous, soft, airy, cotton, sheets and I. Love Them. If you try to, you can sleep on them for a month risk-free and right now you'll get fifty dollars off any sheet set at Bollandbranch DOT COM with Promo. Code Brain stuff at Spelled B. O. L. L., andbranch, dot, com Promo code brain stuff for fifty dollars off. Restrictions may apply. See bollandbranch dot com for details. Welcome to brain stuff production of iheartradio. Hey brain stuff lauren bulb I'm here. The United States continues to lag in terms of the representation of women in government. As of June twenty twenty, we ranked eighty first out of one hundred ninety three countries. One perhaps unlikely town became known for unprecedented progressiveness a century ago, Jackson! Wyoming In May of nineteen twenty, yes, three months before the nineteenth amendment nationally recognized women's right to even vote an all female nicknamed the petticoat rulers established order in this wild. West, town. Wyoming was ahead of its time. In terms of women's suffrage back in eighteen, sixty nine, it had been the first territory or state in the union to pass a law. Guaranteeing women the right to vote. We spoke by email with Morgan Jawan. Executive Director of the Jackson Hole Historical Society and museum. She said this may be a bit dramatic, but I often say that Jackson could very easily faded into landscape in the early twentieth century. If not for these women, this was a rugged place, incredibly difficult to settle while Jackson had a strong community where everyone helped each other out, there was very little emphasis on government and civic responsibility. It may be tough to believe that an all female government could have ruled a small town in twentieth century. America, when sexism still remains a major barrier in modern politics, but on May Eleventh Nineteen, twenty, Jackson elected Grace Miller as mayor and rose crabtree made Loney Festina height and Genevieve van flack as council members, the five women claimed victory over an all male roster, and crabtree even beat out her husband Henry for the position. This landmark win was no accident, either the election drew the most voters. The town had seen at that point, and in many cases, the women dominated their male opponents spy margin of two to one. While towns in Kansas and Utah had already elected all-female town councils in eighteen, Eighty, eight and nineteen twelve respectively, this election was a major turning point Yellen said the all Women Town Council of Nineteen twenty stepped up and shaped the town into the place. We know in love today. They graded the streets. They expanded electrical service and installed streetlamps. They established the first town cemetery and built the town's budget. Be Able to continue serving community members. According to a nineteen twenty two article from the Delineate or magazine, there was only two hundred dollars in town coffers when the women took office due to uncollected fines and taxes. As the article states. went out personally and collected every Senate due to the town from those who ignored the notices. Before the end of a fortnight, there was two thousand dollars in the treasury. Things didn't necessarily all start out with a Flash Bang. Though Yellen said a funny story I'd always heard all women town council had formalized the square, and until recently I assumed that meant creating the park like square. We see today, but what it actually meant was that these councilman as they called themselves and official documents simply prohibited the grazing of cattle on the town square. You have to start somewhere. As for what inspired the women to effect lasting change. Yellen says their methods and motives were rather simple. She quoted mayor. Grace Miller from an interview in Nineteen, twenty two. We simply tried to work together. We put into practice the same thrifty principles. We exercise our own homes. We wanted to clean well-kept progressive town in which to raise our families. What is good government but a breathing space for good citizenship? While so-called petty coat rulers successfully establish a lasting legacy y'all win cautions that celebrating their history simply isn't enough. She said the story of the All Women Town Council is incredible and certainly something to celebrate and be proud of for the town Jackson Hole has many stories of powerful women, and generally our history is one of inclusivity, adaptability and ingenuity. Everyone had to pull their weight and be open, minded in order to survive. However it still important to look at the big picture and use history as something to learn from, and not just celebrate Jackson did not see another woman in an elected position until the nineteen eighties, the all woman town council was necessary and successful, but unfortunately did not create a new normal, and Jackson was not immune to the times, but it is exciting and encouraging to see more diversity in our local government, including women in all levels elected positions. The women of nineteen twenties still serve encouraging role. Role models for anyone in Wyoming, a visit to the Jackson hole historical. Society and museum offer plenty of additional insights into the legend of these women of the wild west. The museum houses a number of historical documents and photographs of the women and information about their time in office as well as Mayor Grace Miller sidesaddle and the black coach. She can be seen wearing in most photos. They also have a number of exhibits online, and you can do further research through their stand classen research center. Today's episode was written by Michelle. Constantinople ski and produced by Tyler Clang. Or more in this and lots of other inclusive topics visit how stuff works dot com. Brain stuff is productive iheartradio for more podcast iheartradio visit the iheartradio APP, apple, podcasts or wherever you listen to your favorite shows. Today's episode is brought to you by vantage. If you need business communications US vantage, they've got unified communications, contact centers, and communication API's little figuratively. Blow your mind and literally make your mind explode from sheer joy, but that's it. They're great at all those. They're not so great at explaining why we get morning. Breath, what fracking is and making awesome short snippets of smart that satisfy the word and all of us for that kind of stuff. 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Markets react to status updates on Trump and Biden

Marketplace Morning Report with David Brancaccio

09:09 min | 3 months ago

Markets react to status updates on Trump and Biden

"This marketplace podcast is supported by we work today takes new ways of working new measures toward health and safety dedicated to flexible terms and purposefully designed spaces. See what's ahead for we work at Weei DOT CO slash future. And by capital one capital one knows life doesn't alert you about your credit card. That's why we created. You know the capital one assistant that catches things might look wrong with your credit card like over tipping duplicate charges or potential fraud then sends an alert to your phone and helps you fix it. It's another way capital one is watching out for your money when you're not capital one what's in your Wallet See. Capital one, DOT COM for details. Status of presidential candidates on the minds of people making financial decisions this morning. I'm David Brancaccio good morning market participants are buying more stocks with a greater sense of clarity in early trading. The Dow is up two, hundred, fifty, four point nine tenths of a percent similar percentage rise for the SNP. The Nasdaq is up one point one percent. This is less about partisan judgments although the status of the presidential candidates is part of it. Economy Julia Coronado founder of macropolicy perspectives hells helps us many a Monday to capture the market mood. Hi Julia Good Morning. Why a sense that things are just a little clearer on this Monday might have some the do with the fact that federal economic stimulus seems to be gaining energy well, I think there's two things going on one the the president's recovery combined with a widening lead for Biden just increases the chances that we have an orderly election with a clear result and that's good for risk and yes whether we get stimulus before the election, which still seems like a long shot given how short time is if we get a Biden victory chances are that will get a bigger stimulus soon thereafter. So the chances of some kind of stimulus are also on the rise. Julia Coronado, thank you. As we learned Friday more people out of work in the US have stopped looking for jobs among the reasons, demands of supervising kids school remotely and people are worried about exposing themselves to virus. If they go back to work summer retiring early, here's Megan. McCarthy Carino marketplace's workplace culture. Desk. Chuck Harris was a physician's assistant in Jackson Wyoming eat plan to wrap up his career later this year shortly after his sixty sixth birthday. But when the pandemic closed his facility, he made an early exit a back into retirement but not intentionally, since February, the number of employed workers over age fifty five has dropped by seven percent and many will never returns as. Richard Johnson at the Urban Institute. If you lose your job then it's much more difficult often to get back into the workforce during the great recession he found it took older workers twice as long as younger workers to find new jobs those over fifty five often face discrimination cuts in wages and now safety concerns that could push them too early retirement. What that means though is they weren't prepared. Teresa. GHILARDUCCI is a Labor economist at the new school. She says early retirement will hit workers in their fifties and early sixties particularly hard not only do they have less time to save they won't be eligible for Medicare or full social security benefits I Megan, McCarthy, Carino for marketplace. New York City is reinstating new corona virus restrictions in limited parts of certain neighborhoods because of rising corona virus cases. Marketplace's Nova Sappho has more on what will seem in certain spots like returned to the lockdowns of the spring. New York Mayor Bill De Blasio is seeking new restrictions in parts of two of the city's five boroughs Brooklyn and Queens non essential businesses. would be closed along with some three hundred schools. Outdoor dining would also be prohibited. The plan would affect half a million people officials say corona virus cases have spiked in the neighborhood slated for new restrictions. These are areas with sizable or Jewish populations which officials say have seen a rise in cases due to lax mass wearing and social distancing I'm Nova for marketplace. This marketplace podcast is supported by one drop take back your time, your power and your life one drop, the award winning APP that simplifies getting healthy and staying ahead of your diabetes hour sugar are ex membership connects you with a certified health coach you can message anytime. Reach out to your coach personalized diabetes advice. So you can make decisions with confidence work together to build better habits and stick with them and lean on your coach for support. When you need it most visit, join one drop dot com slash coach to save fifty percent on your first month of sugar Rx Halloween parties as we traditionally new them or a dangerous idea pandemic conjuring grim images for one particular growl and Poe story and some cities and towns are. Recommending limits on trick or treating a more normal year. Halloween is a nine billion dollar business according to the National Retail Federation. Here's Marketplace's Kristen Schwab for twenty seven years had this Horseman Hay Rides and haunted houses in Ulster Park new. York has been exactly that hey, rides haunted houses but this year piling thirty five guests into a wagon won't work. So the Hayride has become a drive through with a soundtrack riders play through an APP. Have you seen the whole? Here comes tonight. Our entire shows. Scripted. Michael Juby owns the business with his wife Nancy, he says the Hayride is usually a huge production with nearly four hundred carpenters, makeup artists and actors on a normal evening. We have a storyteller that travels on every wagon and I like to describe it as a traveling play. This year guests will be contained to their cars and actor stationed alone on the trail which comes with some theatrical sacrifices a lot harder to scare you from ten feet away. It comes with financial sacrifices to Juba be spent thousands of. Dollars converting the trail building barriers and buying speed bumps and he lowered ticket prices by ten bucks. He's just aiming to break even this year, which is challenging because he can only run at twenty five percent capacity and Halloween is a super seasonal business you really crammed down into about three weeks. Kevin Johnson is chairman of the Halloween Costume Association. He expects the retail window for costumes and candy to get even smaller. This year because people are waiting till the last minute to decide if it's safe to trick or treat. But during the pandemic plenty of people have continued celebrating occasions, they're just doing differently Tom Wallenstein is CEO of Halloween costumes, Dot com last Halloween. The company sold more than one point, three, million costumes this season it could either be the worst year we've never had or the best year we've ever had back in April his company sales of Bunny costumes were significantly from the year before because more people. Celebrated Easter at home. He thinks parents might go all out this year to make up for the pandemic with zoom costume parties or cautious trick or treating, and of course, what is more twenty? Twenty than masks Halloween has plenty of them to be clear. The CDC says, costea masks do not replace cloth masks, but you could just go with the classic mask friendly costume companies are stocking up on. Doctor I'm, Kristen, Schwab for marketplace. In what is just the leader of the Roman Catholic churches third big policy statement or encyclical his tenure Pope Francis said this weekend that covid nineteen shows the limits of market economics. The pope denounced the view that prosperity trickles down or can be the main solution to society's problems. The detailed statement states that private property should not be considered an absolute right when some live extravagantly while others have nothing he called for globalization to be reined in but the pope said pandemic has also given the world hope in the actions of regular people, the cleaners supermarket workers, doctors, nurses, and priests risked their lives to keep society going quote they understood that no one is saved alone. I'm David. Brancaccio. This is marketplace morning report. From Apm American public. Hey thanks to you. We met our fall fund raising goal. Cheers to all of the listeners and marketplace investors who make possible. 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The O'Reilly Update, May 8, 2020

Bill O’Reilly’s No Spin News and Analysis

13:00 min | 9 months ago

The O'Reilly Update, May 8, 2020

"Bill O'Reilly here. Friday may eighth. Two Thousand Twenty. You are listening to the Riley Update. Here's what's happening today. In America the national shutdown has reached a turning point more than forty states easing restrictions on everything from construction sites. Beaches gyms restaurants and department stores. Even carnival. Cruise lines has announced the decision to set sail. This August New York. California promising to release plans on reopening the two biggest economies in the country by the end of the month very difficult for New York City. The epicenter of the disaster the new rules across the country calm after days of growing protests folks are quickly running out of money and patience a single federal assistance. Check of twelve hundred dollars is not going to pay the bills. Economists say nearly thirty million jobs have disappeared in the last six weeks. The biggest drop in the nation's history statistics from the Labour bureau have the unemployment rate anywhere between nine and fifteen percent and on the rise. Demonstrators hit the streets all over the country. One Woman in Dallas was actually jailed for seven days and fine seven thousand dollars for opening her hair salon without permission. She told the court quote. I couldn't feed my family. And if you think the law is more important than kids getting fed then please go ahead with your decision but I am not going to shut the salon. It was wrong to incarcerate this woman who is practicing civil disobedience. What they should have gone is not giving her any jail time but posted authorities in front of the Salon. So people could not get in. I hate to be harsh. But you can't have anarchy back in Washington. A partisan blame game is increasing house. Democrats demanding new hearings on the trump administration's handling of the virus. Asking to speak with White House has force leader Dr Anthony Thoug- because he might say anything. The President Says Democrats are only interested in quote making things worse to win the election. And that's true bottom. Line country is beginning to reopen. The politics are getting more intense and speculation still rules. Tv news recent estimates from the CDC predict the death rate to pass a hundred thousand by summer again speculation. But it will most likely HAP- as we have shown the media some of them anyway. Don't want the country to get back for business for political reasons. They believe some of the many way. The president is worse than a virus in a moment. Listeners sound off two guys kyle and Josh. We're both losing their hair. Which was no surprise to either. Says they knew male pattern baldness ran in their families the way they dealt with their hair loss however couldn't have been more different. Kyle put it off losing more and more hair. Josh went right to keeps DOT COM to learn how to keep his hair keeps offers generic versions of the only two FDA approved hair loss products. The genetic versions Save Josh. A lot of money and the consultation was simple. He answered a few questions online and snapped a few pictures of his hair. Doctor then evaluated everything and recommended the right. Fda approved hair loss treatment for Josh. It was shipped discreetly to his door keeps. Lets save your hair without ever leaving your home. Please go to keeps K. E. DOT com slash bill to get your first order of keeps hair loss treatment. Fifty percent off half off that's keeps dot com slash. Bill KEEPS DOT com slash. Bill Turnout update message of the day. Listeners sound off we do this every Friday. If you would like to participate you can reach me. At BILL AT BILL DOT com bill at Bill O'Reilly Dot Com. It's easy first letter from Andrew in Holly Pennsylvania. You mentioned that Democrats received millions extortionists lawyers and it goes Nancy Pelosi and the house fought Republicans. Also get money from the group but not as much. Can you explain what this money is used for certain Leandra the money from the lawyer lobby base in DC goes to the house and the Senate and there it is distributed to people? Democrats Republicans running for reelection. It's a big fund and Nancy. Pelosi controls it in the house. Chuck Schumer in the Senate eighty percent of the lawyer money going Democrats twenty percent to Republicans letter. A number two comes from Richard in Irvine. California lawyers will be out in forced to sue anything covert related which will hurt our country. I believe that if Nancy Pelosi. We're not the house leader. Could Congress pass a law prohibiting lawsuits like it can pass a law now and Mitch McConnell? The Republican leader in the Senate says they're not going to pass any more stimulus unless tort reform is passed because to sue businesses and schools. And all of that over cove. It kills the United States Linda in Edina Minnesota disheartening to read news stories that at least three healthcare workers in Russia have fallen out of hospital. Windows do you think this is related to another regime covering up the extent of covert not? Look if you criticize Putin as these doctors did for his handling of coverted Putin can hurt you. In Russia you incur Xyzal Donald Trump and America. You'll get verbally chastised by some people but you're not going to get thrown out a high rise window as three Russian doctors were. Everybody knows Atlanta. Putin does not Brooke descent and is a violent man. Nancy in Carrollton Texas. This Week is the fiftieth anniversary of the Kent State Massacre. What do you think caused that incident? An inexperienced National Guard in nineteen seventy panicked and shot. The students can state who were out of control justifying it just reporting accurately renee in Jacksonville. Florida says I know you are correct. Bill you can be tested for covert and be negative one day get infected the next. But that's not the point to the testing. The point is to identify the positives particularly in the vulnerable population isolate them in contact trace to possibly find more positives yes. Testing can be of good use to track down carriers of Kovin. Some of whom are what they call a symptomatic. They don't have any display of the disease but they are passing it along. I understand that Rene. But that's not what is being used political circles the demand to test all Americans can never be met the Democrats know that and they are using it to hurt Donald Trump. I'm Bill O'Reilly and I approve that message by putting it together for more news analysis. Please visit Bill O'Reilly Dot Com for honest and incisive pandemic coverage in a moment. Something you might not know. Our World is obviously changed when you venture outside face masks are everywhere and the kind of mask that you use matters. We all WANNA mass gives great protection like medical professionals get with their n nine five masks the boomer naturals. Thirty Day facemask provides ninety two point. Two percent antibacterial protection. It's comfortable easy to breathe in and to speak with and the mass come in both adult and children's sizes not only is the boomer naturals mask highly rated but it is affordable less than thirty cents a day these boomer natural mass can be used up to thirty days by hand washing them with soap and water. I recommend you order yours right now at boomer naturals Dot Com use Code Bill Twentieth Checkout Save Twenty percent every time he shop plus free on orders over fifty dollars. That's Code Bill. Twenty at boomer naturals dot com now. The O'Reilly update. Brings you something? You might not know this summer. Many Americans will not fly to vacation destinations because of the pandemic some of them will drive. So here are a bunch of O'Reilly destinations. You might find interesting. New England is always a blast in the summer Maine Coast Cape Cod in Massachusetts. Boston always good Rhode Island Beaches Newport. You can't go wrong in New England this summer Colorado Rocky Mountain high simply cruise the roads and make sure you get to Durango in the southwestern part of the state excellent spot but the whole state of Colorado in the mountains is stunning. And the weather's Nice in the summer. Black Hills of South Dakota deadwood where wild bill hickok got it. Mount Rushmore is spectacular. The South is hot but the by use of Louisiana are fascinating no matter what the temperature the beaches in North Carolina on the Outer Banks. Fantastic bald head island especially nice. Santa Fe New Mexico Jackson Wyoming and here is the ultimate summer vacation driving destination. You get your car. You take to Asturia Oregon top of the state right on the ocean. You drive the car all the way from Astoria to San Diego. That is the ultimate fantastic scenery. A lot of different places that are unique. I mean Oregon coast very underrated. A lot of people don't know about it and then you cross into California you gotta go inland a little bit and then you get back out on the Mendocino coast through San Francisco to Monterey one of the nicest summer places in the world continued down through big Sur. Which I love then you overnight in Santa Barbara spent a couple of they're down Malibu Zip through Los Angeles but there are some nice coastal towns there and then down the county and San. Diego can't go wrong back after this. There are thousands of abandoned animals in the USA. That need our help. I am partnering with Delta Rescue. The largest no kill care for life. 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Embracing Life With A Heart Condition

Fresh Air

48:54 min | 2 months ago

Embracing Life With A Heart Condition

"This message comes from. npr sponsor. Ibm when deciding how and when to safely return to the workplace. You need to be informed. That's why ibm watson helps you. Prioritize employee safety with watson works visit. Ibm dot com slash. Watson works to learn more from whyy in philadelphia. I'm terry gross with fresh air. Imagine standing on a soccer field and suddenly feeling the medical device in your chest. Send two thousand volts of electricity directly into your heart today writer. Catherine standard for tells us about living with an implanted cardiac defibrillator. In her new memoir. She writes about how the device changed her life and about trying to get medical care with little income as congress was trying to abolish the affordable. Care act. She also describes visiting precious middle minds in africa to explore the human cost of making exotic medical devices later jazz critic. Kevin whitehead reviews. The new album from susan alcorn pedal steel guitarist who used to play in country and western bar bands and book critic maureen. Corrigan reviews a true crime story about the murder of a harvard graduate student. Davies has today's interview. I'll let him introduce it. Aspiring writers searching for their voice are often advised to write about something they know. Our guest today. Catherine stanford has published her first book and she didn't have to look far for a fascinating story for years. She's lived with a medical device embedded in her chest and implanted cardiac defibrillator. A tiny version of the machines in hospital rooms that deliver shocks to someone whose heart has stopped beating or has developed. A dangerous arrhythmia standards device was implanted. Eleven years ago when she was twenty four her book. Chronicles the ways. Her condition and the defibrillator changed her life like experiencing accidental jolts of electricity to her heart as well as her journeys to africa to visit minds where the precious metals used in making it are extracted. She wanted to explore the human cost of creating these devices and she writes about making complicated medical decisions with potentially life or death consequences while living with little income on the margins of the nation's health insurance system she was often struggling to maintain medical coverage while congress was debating passage of or seeking to abolish the affordable care act. Her memoir is called lightning flowers. My journey to uncover the cost of saving a life. Her previous writing has appeared in best american essays in two thousand sixteen. She earned her. Mfa in creative nonfiction at the university of arizona and is now a professor at ashland university's low residency mfa program. She joins me from her home inside. Santa fe catherine standard. Welcome to fresh air. I thought we'd begin with the reading. This is a powerful moment. And it's the way you start the book you want to. Just share this with us. Sure prologue tucson arizona twenty twelve. Nothing can prepare you for what it feels like to be shocked by an implanted cardioversion defibrillator. Like a badly spliced film real my memory of the night is fractured. In one instance of other intermural soccer team had fallen and the game stopped. He was getting up brushing his thighs in the next my hands became clause a mall cracked. Open my chest with a sickening thump. A hot whip tearing through my back. Did somebody kick in my spine. And then i knew and i was screaming. There's no way you wouldn't scream. If you felt it. My sister had said the defibrillator had in my body for three silent years resting loyalty above my left breast. Keeping watch for the arrhythmia that could send me to the ground unconscious with a heart quivering rather than pumping blood now on a crisp november night in tucson arizona. I dropped to my knees in time for the second shock. What if it doesn't stop. I knew something was wrong. Either with my device or with my body but probably my eyes cd. If it wasn't arrhythmia. I should have been collapsed. Unconscious not sharpen a live like this staring at the backs of houses at the edge of the field their kitchen light spilling dully out the windows as i screamed call nine one one a third shock you can either scream or breathe. A voice inside me said and began to pull an air cold heavy breaths the way i learned to breathe into pain in yoga. I m either alive or dead. And i choose which the device did not fire again. Can i get someone behind me. I called out. I don't trust myself not to fall. Someone to back immediately supported me to the ground and the sky came into view a ring of faces. The sharp whitefield lights the smell of burning which was me well and that is katharine for reading from her new book. Lightning flowers up. You know what i. I read this account. I wasn't sure if this device had fired accidentally or if it had saved your life did you know at the time. Were you sure. I did not know at the time. And a lot of the beginning of the book comes out of the moments after it shocked me and really wondering whether or not my life had been saved and what. It meant to take this kind of electricity. If it hadn't saved my life and it turns out it didn't save your life right. It turns out. It didn't. Yeah when i went into the hospital the next day. The tech said that it was an error in my settings that the device had gone off appropriately because a particular box was checked within my software. Cyborg problems so let's back up a little explained. The heart condition that led to you getting this device implanted. The heart condition is called long. Queue t syndrome genetic arrhythmia in which the heart quivers instead of pumping blood. And so that can lead to there not being enough blood in vital organs which causes someone to pass out. If they're lucky they might wake back up if they're not lucky they could die of sudden cardiac death. So this really has to do with the electrical impulses which 'cause our heart to beat in a proper rhythm there a little off due to this genetic condition that's right cue t in the name long queue. Qt syndrome refers to the re polar ization interval of the hearts. If you think about the heart. It is a muscular organ. That is run by current and after each beat the heart electrically resets for the next beat that's known as the q t interval and when the heart takes too long to electrically reset or not all parts of it reset at the same time it can cause this sort of de-synchronization That leads to that sort of quivering instead of pumping blood. Okay and then. How does the device remedy this. So when a heart is not pumping blood one of the ways that you can reverse that arrhythmia is to shock it with electricity and the electric shock actually lines the heart which gives heart the opportunity to settle back into its normal beat rebooting computer exactly like green putting your computer. When did you first become aware of this. Well steph curry follows. My younger sister's story by about a year and a half so in the fall of two thousand seven my younger sister was eighteen and a freshman at university of colorado in boulder. And she took a strange fall out of bed one day and she spent some time at the doctors. Getting ahead c. t. Looking for epilepsy tested her low blood sugar. And no one could really figure out what was happening. And so it just sort of receded from you and then a few months later rate as she was about to begin finals in her first semester of college she passed out several times in a row and ended up in the hospital luckily with an electro physiologist who noticed that she had long queue t syndrome so about a year and a half. After my younger sister was diagnosed with lung syndrome. I passed out in a parking lot. One day in jackson wyoming. And that's when. I woke up knowing that. That's probably what i had right. And you know after your sister's condition became clear and she had one of these implanted. Your parents we've kept saying to you. Look you gotta go get you go to the hospital. You've gotta get you and being being the post college student as we all might have been at one time you said. Yeah i'll get to it and you never did until you had this dreadful episode Yeah and they told you what when you went to the hospital. Well in the er. I told the doctor right away that he should check my cutie interval. Because some part of me knew. And i think it's fair to say that part of why i never made it in to get an ekg. Which is the test that you can often tell whether or not someone has long q t interval on. I had never made it to the hospital to get an ekg. I think because some part of me knew that. I had it and or that. If anyone in the family had it would be me and for me to get diagnosed with lung syndrome would mean the end of the life that i was living. At the time. I was twenty. Four years old. I lived in jackson wyoming. I worked as a ski instructor and climbing teacher and hiking guide and i was quite invested in not necessarily knowing if i had this heart condition because it was going to make my life as i had known it really impossible so the day i showed up in the hospital. Something in me already knew but the er doctor took the ekg and he came back and he said it does look like you have it so you learn the age of twenty that you have this this condition right to have this right After my twenty four th birthday right and you live in jackson wyoming and you love the outdoors and you know your life is going to change. There's another way in which you were. Ill suited for this kind of thing. Which is that you know. This is going to be an expensive medical condition. You know and that that didn't exactly fit with your income and insurance status. Right know the first thing i thought when i passed out and my partner came to pick me up. He wanted to take me to the hospital. And i told him you can't take me to the hospital. I don't have insurance. And i'll never be able to get insurance again. At the time it was legal to deny care to people who had pre existing conditions and so my first thought was. I need to pretend this didn't happen. Go find a way to get insurance and then goes doctor about this which was just an insane sequence of events after you potentially go into cardiac arrest in a parking lot. I had been working all of these jobs. That didn't pay very well. Part of why. I did that was because i wanted to be a writer and if i worked outdoor jobs during the summer and winter then i could take spring and fall to really work on my craft but what that meant was that i was living in a very shaky Financial situation where buying some of the very poor insurance plans that were available was just too expensive. And didn't seem worth that. Because i was so young and so healthy so living in wyoming when you discover that you have this condition and may need this really expensive treatment How'd you end up in colorado. Once received the medical opinion that i should probably have an ict implanted. The question of how that would happen was pretty complicated and we. We looked at a bunch of different options. But in the end my best option was to move to colorado. My younger sister's surgeon offered to donate his fee. If i had the procedure at his hospital and so in the space of about five days i quit my life in wyoming. I walked away from several jobs and different obligations that i had on the calendar and i drove to colorado not knowing how i would exactly established residency but knowing that that's what i needed to do so i spent the first few nights sleeping on the floor of my sisters sorority house. Eventually transition to a local motel. And i was applying for every job. I found with insurance and also any service industry jobs that i thought might just get me residency quickly. I was looking for houses. The question was how do i become a colorado resident as quickly as possible because once i was a colorado resident if i went to the hospital that this surgeon practice then i would be i would be able to access social programs that could defray the cost a little bit of an out of pocket heart surgery. You had to figure out a way to make this happen. You knew you needed it and you. You knew you didn't have the money or insurance now at at one point you've got some advice from a one of the people in a doctor's office which essentially said you know if you come through the emergence ineffective fake a heart attack. I was. I was advised to fake cardiac arrest and i'm very grateful to that nurse on that particular day. The time i had spent in boulder was so distressing in terms of thinking. I was going to die at every moment of every day and hearing politicians talk about. Why people like me shouldn't receive healthcare through healthcare programs the affordable care act debates were raging. And i worried. I would die all the time and i called into my cardiologist office at one point and just said you know what i can't do this anymore. Let's just schedule. The surgery declare bankruptcy afterward and she said. Be careful you know. Are you sure you wanna do this. And she said you know the place. The hospital write-off the most bills is through the er. And i didn't tell you this but if you were to come in through the er if you perhaps passed out if you forgot to take your medication and went for a run and her voice just trailed off and it was this moment. That really struck me about the way. Our healthcare system was actually operating. Which is that even the practitioners within it understood that people were not getting the care that they needed. That people's lives were at risk and there were all of these secret trap doors for moving through the healthcare system. And i've often asked myself what if i hadn't been a white upper middle class person with a college degree who inspired this particular form of empathy. What if my younger sister had already been a patient of. Dr osas would healthcare providers have stepped up and come to my defense in this way and tried to help me navigate a system that was in two thousand nine unnavigable striking and at the time the combination of the surgeon offering to donate his fee and the nurse making herself available to me and offering tips like this. I really felt that they were saving my life. Well as it happened you didn't have to fake a heart attack nature. Intervene what happened. This was a very strange tonight. So my partner and i drove from wyoming with a moving truck on october. Twenty fifth of two thousand nine. We drove to colorado. We unloaded it so that we could take the truck back before midnight. We lay down in bed late at night. And as we lay there. I started having these intense chest pains. What was wild is that this was the exact same day that the nurse and i had talked about as being a period in which the surgeon might be available for this procedure. The perfect day to get into the er. That's right that's right. I entered the er and they kept me overnight and the next day the surgeon came to visit with me and he said what would you like me to do. I told them to put it in. So you get this thing implanted in your chest Talk a little bit about. What did it feel like this thing in your chest. Cardiac defibrillators are really bizarre to suddenly have in your body. They're about the size of an old pager. And there's not naturally room in the body for the device so they're placing it under the skin above your pectoral muscle and that skin has to stretch and the muscle has to learn to hold the device in place with scar tissue. So when you first wake up from that surgery. Not only as their extraordinary pain. But there's the sense of this metal device that shifts inside you. Before their scar tissue to hold it down coming out of that surgery you have a lot of movement restrictions. I woke up in a slang. Did it change your posture defect of permanently altered. What your body felt like. yes absolutely. There is a way when the device has just been placed in you That if you straighten your shoulder out you'll pull on the device and it is very painful so those of us who have is cds are often a little bit on the left. The left side protectively for the device and change the architecture of my body forever in this book. You we've in the story of your relationship with sam the man that you were with when you know when the when i discovered the condition Who loved you. But he also loved this life of outdoor activity particularly rock climbing You eventually broke up. And it's if this is painful it is well written And i'm wondering how you then looked at you. Know future relationships Dating knowing that you had this thing that whoever was going to be with you had to kind of understand and cope with. It marked me more than i knew. At the time. There was the sense. I had in my mid twenties after salmon. I broke up. Where i would be on a date with someone and i would be in some ways holding a lighter atmosphere joking around flirting able to be very visibly present to them and some part of me would be wondering whether or not they could hold this other part of me to be twenty five twenty six years old and to have felt death in your body. The way that i had. I felt like. I had an understanding of something that i needed someone to be able to hold with me. Sam was an extraordinary human and our problem was not love but ultimately i needed more from a partner in a hospital setting than he was able to give and and some of the ways that our life had to change as the result of the things that happened to my body just really disconnected us. At this point. I can say i have been single for over ten years ten and a half years. I have never stopped really looking at people and paying attention to how they respond to the scar on my chest how they respond to the stories. I carry decided at one point that you must keep in your life only men who are good in the hospital. That's right. we're listening to the interview. Fresh air's davies recorded with catherine standard for author of the new memoir lightning flowers. They'll talk more after a break. Also gas credit. Kevin whitehead were a new album from susan. Alcorn pedal steel guitarist. Who used to play in country and western bar bands but has found a new role for her instrument and maureen corrigan will review a true crime story about the murder of a harvard graduate student. I'm terry gross in. This is fresh air on the next episode of louder than a riot. Bobby's murders transitioned from the streets to superstardom and how viral fame led to infamy. I don't axe people from the her if they got criminal activity going on. I know in hip-hop the battle the better listen now to lower the riott from npr music. Let's get back to the interview. Davies recorded with writer catherine stand for her no memoirs about living with an implanted cardiac fibrillation her chest. It's also about her struggles to pay for medical care with little income and her exploration of the human cost of producing such exotic medical devices. The book is called lightning flowers. My journey to uncover the cost of saving a life. What are the kind of fascinating moments in this book. When you describe your on an airplane flying to bogut bogota you got a cheap fair. And you're going to go hiking with the and there's this buzzing you think that in the airplane and it turns out it is in your chest. What's going on the way the device lets you know that it has battery is that it starts vibrating inside you. It's very strange. Each vibration lasts about ten seconds. And it happens three times and then it takes a break for about twelve hours and then it happens again and then it takes a break and then it happens again and so over the course of the next day i experienced several rounds of this vibrations. My body. I mean it feels exactly like what you might imagine a cell phone going off inside your breast with feel like and on the airplane. I had no idea what was going on. And when i figured it out it was the slow dawning of lake. Oh wow because. I had assumed that i health story was over in some way all of a sudden. I understood that this was a warning. Shot that by having to decide whether or not i was going to re-implant this device and then going through that surgery i was really reopening things going wrong. And this is a fascinating part of the book and it's a little too complicated to relate all of here but you had three months to to get the battery replaced you end up Getting a new one in and discover that there's a problem in your chest. You just explain this. It's not quite as simple as we take out the old one and put in the new one. What did you discover. So when i woke up from the reimplantation which essentially as a procedure where they open the same scar they take out the old device. And then ideally they just plug a new device into the seem wire that is already screwed into the heart instead. I woke up and was told that at the end of the surgery they had tried to do a test. They always do where they actually induce arrhythmia and wait to see if the device will correct it. It's part of how they know that the system they've just implant is working appropriately and instead it didn't work the device didn't go off and they rolled me over to an x ray machine and they figured out that the wire had actually crushed at some point between my clavicle and first rib it had slotted in there and it had gotten cracked. We didn't know at what point this happened. It's possible that it had happened a long time ago. And the scar tissue that had developed around the wire had simply held it in place. So that when i got the device tested tested normally but once. They unplugged the old device and plugged in a new device. The wire must have gotten shifted enough that the installation that had cracked and electricity no longer conducted normally. So when i woke up what i learned was not only was my wire broken but i had a device that perhaps had fired on itself. It has certainly generated the electricity to reverse the arrhythmia then. We're that electricity. Went was sort of unclear. And so i woke up with a broken device inside me right in a wire. That's very problematic. I mean you end up trying to extract the wire and can't do it so the wires just hanging there in your heart right like i don't know what the bottom of your closet except it's your heart. Yeah they they tried to remove. The wire had actually snapped off. You knew of a terrific cardiologists at the mayo clinic and you decide. I want these folks to figure out what we're gonna do here. The problem is You had the a plan from the affordable care. Act right by and It's the only plan available and that would require pre-approval to travel out of state. And you know anybody who's dealt with insurance company has had some frustrating moments. If you can just give us a sense of what it was like to try and get your insurance ducks in a row so that you could go and get this critically needed testing and treatment. Yeah it became clear very early that having snapped off wire stuck in my heart. That had already had one. Attempted removal fail was something that required a practitioner beyond what was available in my network. I think what people don't understand about. The american healthcare system is that access is only the first step having access to an insurance plan is really the bare minimum. We can ask for in a situation like mine. Receiving appropriate care receiving the care that enabled us to actually manage what was going on in my heart ended up requiring just hundreds and hundreds of hours of labor from me as a person who was terrified of what was going on in her body. And so i mean. It's not an exaggeration to say that the months i spent trying to preauthorized an appointment at mayo nd my life. I spent my time doing nothing else. My ability to do paid work deteriorated. My ability to maintain relationships deteriorated. I spent all of my time working on insurance paperwork. That ultimately i had no control over. I couldn't force offices to talk to one another so when you finally get to the mayo clinic. You meet with dr ackermann and his team and they do seem like the really experienced empathetic Cardiologists you had hoped for. They listened carefully and and you discovered. Maybe you don't need actually the device in your chest so there's a question of do you wanna get another one implanted And turns out. It's not one wire. But a tangle of wires in your heart how should you try and extract those Book doesn't quite tell us what you did. Do you want to share this with us. There is really another book to be written about the things that happened after. I have this first mayo. Clinic visit the short version. Is that i never made it back to mayo clinic to continue care and so as of now. I don't officially know whether or not i ever needed an ice cd. I continue to suspect that. I did not one of the things that was so extraordinary about dr akron and his team is that he's not wedded to the technology sweated to patients and the mayo clinic implants cds at a remarkably low rate in part because they are the research team in many cases driving what we know around how else to manage long syndrome on the other hand while it was at mayo clinic. Yes s ray revealed that when we previously tried to remove the fractured wire. The tugging had perhaps stripped polyurethane. Insulation like tugged. It up and so the wire that used to hold together had sputtered into a nest. And that meant that procedure to remove. The wire was really unlikely to be successful unless it was done as an open chest procedure. So i did. When i left mayo clinic at some point in the future i wouldn't need to have open heart surgery to remove this wire. The question of when is really an open one. And so i still have this tangle of wire in my heart ideally that i would be checking on every six months to a year or so. That's not actually the case right now. I don't don't actually even have a cardiologist in part because my experience within the american healthcare system has been so disempowering. It feels like my health is better. The more i can stay out of doctors offices so for now It's just in there. That's just dispiriting to hear Your writing is getting a lot of recognition. I think this book is very well received Apart from the the wire in your hard how are you. How's your life. Yeah my life is rather amazing right now. I just moved in february to new mexico. Where i have some chickens and i live on a beautiful mesa and it's been a very safe place to hide out from covid so feel incredibly fortunate. One of the greatest gifts is to feel alive while you are alive. And as someone who spent so much of their life living with death as a present threat. It's really extraordinary. Right now to feel the health of my body and to feel what it means to have this book going into the world starting some of the conversations. I've wanted to have we'll catherine standard for. I wish you good luck and good health and success in your writing. Thank so much for sharing your story with us. Thank you catherine standard. I spoke with fresh. Air's dave davies. Her new memoir is titled lightning flowers. My journey to uncover the cost of saving life coming up jazz critic. Kevin whitehead reviews a new album from susan alcorn of pedal steel guitarist who used to play in country and western bar bands. This is fresh air. This message comes from. Npr sponsor story point wines maker of story point a wine brand who believes that wine and storytelling are the perfect pair. Much like a good podcast story. Point builds layers of interest to create a premium wine at an affordable price. Discover why story points received wine enthusiasts best buy award visit story point wines dot com slash fresh air to purchase as a special offer to npr listeners. Shipping is included in your online order of three bottles or more pedal steel guitarist. Susan alcorn started out in east texas country and western bar bands but she heard a larger role for the pedal steel beyond country music. That led her to jazz and free. Improvisation and working up solo versions of astor piazzolla tangos and collaborating with other unclassifiable musicians. Jazz critic kevin whitehead says alcan's new album is beyond category Susan alcorn on pedal steel a horizontal slide guitar for you. Change the tuning of the strings as you play using foot pedals and kneepads pedal steel guitar with its slippery. Singing tone is a staple of country. Music susan alcorn benz at around odd corners going places. Its inventors didn't envision which is also the story of the saxophone she doesn't neglect pedal. Steel sweeping melodic qualities. The way it can make any tune sound like an anthem. But you'll undermined that slippery grace like she's sliding on ice That's petr non title track from pedal steel guitar. Susan alcorn new quintet cd. On one of those indie labels that keep unclassifiable music. Going relative pitch the response of rhythm section is jazz bassist. Michael formanek who's played with a bunch and texas rocker turned improviser ryan sawyer on drums. Guitar is alcorn champion and dependable ally. Mary halverson whenever these pickers team up. Its special halverson has her own here for sliding tonality and complex string rhythms to play this music that resists classification susan alcorn drafted violinist mark feldman who regularly works zone between jazz and new composed music but before that he had another life as a nashville session. Cat that experience taught feldman had a pack and pay some thirty seconds solo on alcorn northeast rising sun. Mike formanek bass violins trampoline. The music got susan accords album paternal rome's and open range betwixt jazz and improvised music and rock and country. There's something to appeal to. Maybe put off several radio formats like a to country or not enough one piece. Is something like a jazz tune a nod to the many pedal steel players who dip into swing and bebop as little attention as they get from jazz folk but once past the melody. This ban wanders its own way susan. Alcorn isn't the first to expand pedal steel guitars range. But she's taken it farther than most putting the instrument on a broader map Kevin whitehead is the author of the new book. Play the way you feel the essential guide to jazz stories on film. He reviewed petr the new album by pedal steel guitar. Susan alcorn coming up book critic. Maureen corrigan reviews a new true crime story about the murder of a harvard graduate student. This is fresh air support for this podcast and the following message come from trade. You want to invest your money. But there's one problem you're not sure where to begin. 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But as becky cooper learned some harvard stories are whispered not celebrated cooper's new book we keep the dead close. Is it true crime story about the murder of a harvard graduate student. Our book critic. Maureen corrigan has a review. The murder scene looked like something out of an agatha christie novel. that's the one thing that the multitudinous cast of witnesses suspects and police detectives might agree on in. We keep the dead close. Becky cooper's just published account of a murderer at harvard that took place in nineteen sixty nine and remained unsolved until two years ago. The victim was a twenty three year old graduate student in the anthropology department. Her name was jane britain on the morning of january seventh nineteen sixty nine her boyfriend. A fellow grad student became concerned. When jane failed to show up at a lecture hall in harvard's peabody museum grad students. That morning were sweating through exams. When jane's boyfriend finished his own exam he walked over to her apartment in a dilapidated poorly secured building owned by harvard. There he discovered. Jane splayed out down on her mattress which was covered in blood. Jane had been bludgeoned to death. Perhaps with something small and sharp like one of the archaeological tools she'd used on a dig in iran that past summer scattered around. Jane's body was what looked to be read a powdery iron or substance. That's been found in ancient burial sites around the world adding to the ritual listrik. Mus fear of the murder scene was the fact that a piece of a colonial grave. Marker was also placed by jane's body. Becky cooper i heard about the murder in two thousand nine. When she was an undergrad at harvard as she writes from the moment i heard the story so much about it. Barbed me cooper would go on to spend over a decade investigating the cold case after graduation. She eventually joined the editorial staff of the new yorker but as her involvement with the case deepened cooper would leave that job moving onto harvard's campus as a resident advisor and even barking herself on an archaeological dig in bulgaria all in an effort to get closer to the crime and its victim. The result is an over four hundred page true crime book that's over stuffed with suspects motives red herrings and interviews as well as cooper's first-person meditations about her own fascination with the case reading we keep the dead close is akin to what i imagine. It would be like to dive into a trench at an archaeological site and start digging. Not with a trowel. But with a snow shovel cooper on earth's tons of information here but not every artifact deserves preserving indeed by the time the case is closed in twenty eighteen. Thanks to new developments in dna testing. There's a feeling of exhaustion rather than satisfaction had cooper sifted more judiciously through this detail. We keep the dead close would have been a more memorable true crime narrative but even in its unfiltered state. The book offers a vivid profile of one of the most prominent villains of this piece. One that to a degree still remains at large that would be the sexist culture of academe particularly at its most elite levels. Cooper tells us that in two thousand and nine. When she first heard about jane. Britain's murder the body was nameless. Just another girl found dead even as she comes to learn so much about. Jane's personality and family background cooper learns other things for instance that female grad students in harvard's anthropology department until recently kept a secret file on jane's murder that they handed down from one class to the next and that they viewed her murder as a cautionary tale about the dangers. That faced women in academe. Cooper says jane story was still so alive in the community because it was an exaggerated horror movie version of a narrative. That was all too common consider. This one of the prime murder suspects for time was jane's adviser cooper interviewed that now elderly professor and he told her that after jane's death he received a call from the dean who offered him harvard's full support without reservation cooper recalls. The professor grinned as he added. The dean. didn't even ask me if i did it. True crime isn't particularly female literary preserve. But i think there's often an added element of identification when a woman writes about another woman's unsolved death. A recent example would be emma. Copley eisenberg's the third rainbow girl about the nineteen eighty double murder of two young women in appalachia like eisenberg. Cooper is an obsessive and identifies fiercely with her subject. Even when this book threatens to buckle under the weight of detail cooper's resolved to excavate the truth about jane's murder will keep a reader engaged enough to want to follow this case to it's unexpected conclusion. Marine corrigan teaches literature tone university. She reviewed we. Keep the dead close by becky cooper tomorrow on fresh air. My guest will be harold mcgee. He's famous for his books on the science of cooking. His new book nosedive is about the sense of smell and explains everything from how our sense of smell effects. How food's taste to why our own breath can smell so bad and why sweaty feet can smell kinda cheesy. I hope you'll join us Fresh air's executive producer is danny miller. Our technical director and engineer is audrey. Bentham our interviews and reviews produced and edited by any salad. Phyllis myers san brigger lauren crandall simone to recent madden and rebuilding nado. 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How Much of Our Savings Should We Put On a Down Payment? (Hour 2)

The Dave Ramsey Show

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How Much of Our Savings Should We Put On a Down Payment? (Hour 2)

"Live from the headquarters of ramsey solutions broadcasting from dollar car rental studios. Ed's of the dave ramsey show where debt is dumb cash is king and the paid off home mortgage has taken the place of the bmw status symbol of choice. I'm dave ramsey. your host you jump in. We'll about your life and your money. Chris hogan ramsey personality number one bestselling author is my co host today. Here on the air. We'll take your calls a triple eight eight to five five two two five. That's triple eight eight to five five. Two two five union is with us in san francisco. How are you. Hi dave and chris I'm a little bit nervous. A lot of read from my note My husband and i are in our late thirties. And then baby step. We have a household income of about three hundred k. We'd like to buy a primary house with cash but wanted to ask whether you had a formula to calculate how much we could spend as a percentage of our network which is about two million good for you. So you guys have been intentional. Have you all save for a down payment on the home. Oh but we. I mean Would use some of your two million dollar net worth right. So i would say about a million of it is in investments. I guess technically not in retirement occurred and you do not own a home today. We do It was it was a pre pre ramsey house It's currently being rented out and long distance landlord and we're trying to get of it. That's a whole nother. Okay all right cool. Yeah well what we found on. We have talked to We did a book with chris. that he did call called everyday millionaires where we studied ten thousand millionaires. A lot of them were in your range and and so what we can draw from. That is what they did and by and large they were somewhere between on a two million dollar net worth they would be somewhere between twenty five to fifty percent of their net. Worth would be in their house. We did not find them with two dollar network living in a million and a half hours. That'd be three quarters that'd be seventy five percents your net worth in your house that would be unhealthy And the other thing we found was the larger your net worth the smaller. The percentage of your net worth is in house. So if you got a hundred million dollar net worth you would not have thirty percent in your house. You know that wouldn't make that'd be weird. It'd be a be a very small percentage then so in your case you make a lot of money and you're young and you're in freaking san francisco expensive so i'm going to be at fifty percent or less of your net worth in your house and that's that aligns with your million dollars that you've got an investment so i could go up to a million dollars pretty comfortably because two years from now it won't be fifty percent of your net worth anymore three years from now five years from now ten years from now the rest of your net worth will grow. Neither house value will grow. But it won't grow as fast as the rest of your nest egg but my income and your big savers. You've done a wonderful job saving and investing and you're gonna have to stomach. The idea of that dollar amount. Coming out of your net. Worth writers are now coming out here. I mean so yeah. It's actually coming out of investments to write the check. So that's the thing that i would. Caution you on is don't rationalize we'll get a mortgage and we'll just pay it off. Ask no no no go with this with cash and you like you said this long distance landlord plan. That's a recipe for a headache and getting rid of that. I would get that bad boy in the market and get it sold And maybe you look at adding that along with what you're doing with your home so if you went. Seven hundred fifty to a million. How does that feel to you. It's a little scary honestly because we want to have kids at some point and you know some complaints soon actually in the near future And so i guess in my mind. I'm you know my husband's over here talking as the spender. He's talking about wanting to buy a vacation home. That julie to do all this stuff. And i just think How much should we be savings for. You know children. I guess future if you if you quit and came home to be with kids in the future. How much of the three hundred k income is you know about how okay all right and so in the future you might be facing that so that might cause you wanna dial back from that then but i you know again san francisco. I don't know where you are in that market charge for era there. The i mean it enough. People have left california. There's probably a lot of houses on the market. But i mean the values are going to drop eventually with all the All the people escaping and so I mean there's a huge migration it's out of there so the the numbers are astronomically. Dave i'm gonna put you on the spot spending anyways. She's saying she doesn't want to spend as much as i gave her permission. No it so it's fair. it's okay if you want to back. But i mean i just. I don't know what you're buying for a half million dollars in the san francisco market just true. You might be you might be. I mean that that's probably a median house price. They are easily depending on which suburb buran. Now the husband's going to have to go back and he's creating a wishlist not necessarily to do this and so having a vacation home and doing all these things Bless his heart. He doesn't know what kids do when they come on the scene they cost money and so had that conversation with immune and make that list and that idea and just do me the favor of this whatever you do do it with cash. Yeah as you guys are saving up. Because like dave said you're amazing savers guys can reach that and still live your dreams. Yeah so somewhere. Between a half million. A million pay cash for the houses the answer. The question selling rental and that reynolds on the market. She's already done with this. 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I didn't Now found myself living somewhat of appreciate rich spot for lifestyle Recently moved out of the bay area now here in colorado They are fortunate enough. The linen pretty thought off their job and finance You know in buffalo months ago. I bought recently purchased a car. And my question to you is you know. I'm paying about twenty three hundred dollars in rent that moment and i you know i realized i been way more than i could. Consume occur name comment you know. Let you know of crude about seven thousand dollars in credit card debt So you know. I wanna know by making the right decision in downsizing laying out of the downtown area that currently reside in You know picking up a smarter place. curly in keeping the car and for the making payments on. And just you know once. Kobe a once. Kobe going to get out of the picture. I commute to work. Okay and so. What do you owe on the car. i truly own about twenty one thousand miles on the car. And what is your income. So my my base about sixty five and then my bonus is about fifty five thousand jews sixty okay and you're seven thousand dollars in credit card debt. How much student. Loan debt on daryl. I ate internships and had two jobs. College paid off. You're not afraid to work. That's good okay and yeah twenty. Three hundred is ridiculous in your situation. You do need to move down and rent because the more rent money that you're paying is forcing your hand on other stuff and it's what caused the credit card debt. You didn't pay the rent with credit card but you gave all your money away to rent and so you don't have any money when you went to buy something and you used a credit card because your house four decades. It's eating eating eating your lunch. And so i want you on the cheapest possible thing and then cut up the credit cards as soon as you get off the phone and both and attack those cards and let's get let's get let's get moved and let's get on a tight budget and you're working forty hours Working about one hundred. Twenty hours sparingly. Wow but not Yeah not be. It's a job enough private equity. Yeah okay well jackson. I'll tell you this buddy. I i love the idea that you already have the mindset of downsizing that shows you willing to sacrifice but here's the thing that i would be concerned about even if you downsize and you continue the habit you're doing you're going to continue to have credit card debt. You're going to continue to have a car payment. So not only. Should you downsize but you need a shift in your in your mindset and just how you're looking at money it's gotta be about cash buddy. Your income is going to continue to go based on your age. You're making a heck of an income and it's going to get bigger. What you've got to do is make sure that you say if i don't have cavs doing it right just not and so i want you to go to zero an attack that credit card debt than the car and you say i'm not going backwards anymore. I mean think about what it feels like to have absolutely no payments right now and living in a cheap place and saving for your first house. Yeah tha- that that's really only about a year away for you if you completely start focusing on this debt. Because he's got a serious workout. That got me that boys going places. Yeah you're gonna you're gonna be just fine sir. You don't really well. Yeah you're making good decisions. Gary is in lexington. I gary how are you. I'm good dave how you doing better than i deserve. How can i help all right Had a question. A few years ago. I had my grandparents had passed away and they left a piece of land Pretty significant pay someone and to me and my mother and me and my wife had decided this year to build a house somewhere else. We didn't want to live there. We didn't really like the community. And now we're kind of in the position where my mom is taking care of. I call everything with it all these years like even with taxes and stuff and work wanting to get away from it we want to maybe sell our part and i've talked with her a little bit about it and i don't know if she don't think she wants to because she's living in the house. That's our house that's on the farm is oil and i don't think she wants to sell it and i don't know the process of morally how to do it without damaging anything i just want to know the process of what would be the process to get me started telling me how many white it's about sixty five acres. It's a it's a big piece of miami. So what would be wrong with just platinum often. You guys take a portion. That's not improved and sold that and left her with thirty acres and a house. I never thought about that. Maybe she'd have plenty should still be on the family ground and you just sell off. You know the you'd have to just figure out how to configure it. Get get a an engineering firm to help you draw platt to where it's beneficial to your mom. We want to protect her. We want to protect the memories and the family as much family. Homestead as much as we can and we want to create a property line configuration. That gives her. Privacy gives her a sense that something's not built over on top of her and that kind of a and you don't even have to take exactly half you could take less. Okay be generous tour okay. Yeah i do that. That you can say twenty five acres and she got forty. Yeah depending on how the configuration works. Yeah yeah i've got to look at how receptive. How do you think she'll respond to that option you know. I think i never thought about it like that. So you'd be okay with it. She's i lived there my whole life and bills this year. How much We are kind of often like mine. Like road And the way that is laid out though is there is like the only one entrance into the property And i don't know what the way the trust is laid out because there always has to be like in he's way ended up robbery and i don't know that's going to affect your configuration. That i'm talking about is going on the road funded. You've got the more the easier this idea is sounds like you have no road frontage and so you're going to be apple you're going to be giving an easement to the new owner near her house is what amounts to so now is this property tillable as being farmed or is it would. Is it. timber what is it. eight is probably about i. Twenty five acres outta s cut you know and then the rest of it in for okay. where where is it located in kentucky. Yeah kentucky or just south of whites anytime about forty five minutes. Mark the london corbin area. Beautiful area Yeah we love it. yeah so get. Maybe somebody might buy that almost a hunting camp. Yeah yeah yeah. Probably got some deer on it and gary. Are you of the only sibling. Laugh to me and my mother i. i think that's the way to look at it. And that solves the problem in that way. You're not running her off the property which is going to be very difficult. You do it you can do it. Legally but it's going to be emotionally destructive. Yeah yeah that's what. I did not want to do because we have a great relationship and i don't wanna give anything that. Is that the other the other possibilities a shaving money. She okay so she can't buy you out. Yeah that's what i was saying. I know there's no way that she could. Yeah well i will tell you this. Gary don't let this be a fly by conversation I'd want you to really sit down and formerly you know. Talk to your mom. Acknowledge what the land means and what it's meant to you and want to honor her and really help her understand this as a business transaction like don't come in as gary the sun just kind of come in and really present it and laid out And and help her to begin to process. I wouldn't expect her to give you an answer on the spot. Give her some time to process it and then follow up within a day or two. Yeah just ask a lot of questions and give a lot of honor giving honor. It doesn't cost a thing and it's appropriate in this situation. This is the dave ramsey show Hogan ramsey personality is my co host today. Open phones at triple eight eight to five five two two five. If you're still looking for great. Christmas deals our team is using every reason they can to give stuff away. You can knock off up to about ninety percent offer. A whole bunch of items. That are green monday sale. That's going on all week are famous. Ten dollar sale is still here. You can get any of our number one bestselling books for ten dollars each stock up on the books that'll help you. And your loved ones get outta debt. Plan for retirement become an everyday millionaire visit the online store. Daveramsey dot com. Petra is whether it's in jackson wyoming high petra. How are you. How are you doing better than i deserve. How can we help So manly husband and our daughter we are on baby steps four five and six and my question is basically about housing. So jackson super expensive to live in. and right. now we are looking into Sign something and we have three different options that we're looking at. We could buy an affordable home in jackson. But with that we would. There's a lot of rules that go with that so you don't really have much control about housing or your unit So we we don't really like that we were looking into buying a home that would be An hour away. From jackson in commuting which is what a lot of people do but Then we're looking into spending more money on gas It would be harder for me to find the job And because i am a stay at home mom and The last one was he would which is why we liked the most is we would stay in jackson and we will continue to rent and we were looking into all the money that we have in Saved up right now. I'm dan money would be increasing So the difference in gas and the increase we would be able to save some to even though. We're spending money on the rent. So i did a now. Why would be the right decision. And i'm kind of looking for guidance You don't have to move an our outside of jackson to get rid of restrictions on the well. We can afford it at home using jackson. He's just florida. Yeah but i mean you said the restrictions were too much is what you didn't like So they have like a housing opportunity in town that They will sell units affordable housing for the workforce. I guess yeah Did you can afford new. Just do put on nutrition. I don't disagree with you. I do that. What's your household income. I'm here at about sixty five. Okay and so does not require. It does require that to get the price down that you get outside of jackson ben jackson hole skiing many times been to been to jackson many times wonderful town. You're right you're right. It's up is a resort price range and there's a shortage of labor and all kinds of things so you don't have to move our way to get the price down so we could do thirty minutes but even those housing is going for If you look at our income is it's still going for the higher while we would like. I don't believe you don't think you've grown shopping enough because see. Here's the thing you're presenting to me are three options and none of them are good and so i'm going with d. None of the above. You know an hour commute is no fun. Renting is no fun and restrictive housing in worker. How are restricted mess. In a quote affordable housing for workers is no good. So we've got to keep searching to find another option anytime. I'm gonna make a bad make a decision in all my options are bad. Guess what. I'm getting ready to make a bad decision. That's right and so you've gotta you've gotta have more options you. I don't know how we're going to skin the cat exactly but some way we gotta get as for. I mean there's gotta be another way of doing this right and one of the options is looking at and figuring out how to get your income up or a you continue to rent while you guys continue to save or you look at relocating. I mean you know. I look at it this. I'm going to begin to make a decision. Based on the information. I have and so i want you to connect with a real estate agent and have them do some leg work for you so you can start to understand what those options really look like because drive in an hour each way you you might be okay with that for a couple of months but that's gonna get old and now that's what i'm not signing up for that not in not in that situation. Hey thanks for the call. Eight more options. And i looked at dave the the The median home price in jackson wyoming is one point six million in twenty twenty Trending up twenty three percent year over year. That's non medical. I've been to jackson. I've been to casper. I've been the riverton wyoming This is on another level. That's picking up the. That's picking up the resort prices rose up around. The ski slopes okay. And that's driving that way up. I got you down in town. That would not be true. Goodness yeah i can't. I can't believe it's true. I that should. That's like eight times. The national average wyoming. Well jackson i mean it's a resort town. It's you can have your going to have a higher thing. I mean but but yeah there's some skew in that number that numbers off. I think anyone open phones at triple eight eight to five five two two. Five michael is in washington. Dc they michael. How are you. Hey how you doing dave great. How can we help have a question. I've been following you for like man now. Maybe eight months and i snowball effect paid off all my dad. Automobiles except one good I paid off like maybe twenty four thousand dollars worth of debt. How good for you. Yeah thank you. Thank you now have a constitute thousand and it's thousands. They claim metrics. Aussie doing hundred traded in another car together. So i'm you know like kinda in a whole show was worth forty two thousand no old forty two thousand on your roof. Twenty eight thousand. That's my only debt. I bring home. I work two jobs bring home. Forty five hundred a month so my question. Is you think my credit is pretty good now. I have no credit card. So my question is you think said sell my car and get a loan to pay the difference or is this way i to only debt. You're if those numbers are right you're screwed. You're so far in the whole the cell in the car. You're still gonna thirty thousand dollars in debt when you sell it and no car. Yeah here's the thing. Twenty four thousand. You did in one year right. Yes so two more years of doing that. You're out of this thing correct. okay. That's why. I was called him out because i was thinking. If i sell it only be old. Forty three twenty six twenty seven so again like fifteen seventeen thousand the payoff with no cobb. But i think you just get that you know what you might want to do is pay it down to where your break even and then salad. Okay okay but in the meantime drive it and just keep chunking. Because i mean if you're if you're dropping dead at twenty four k. a year that's two thousand dollars a month. Then you're gonna eight or ten months. You're going to have this car pay down to even then you could sell it And and buy something really super cheap pay cash for it and then save up and move up in car as you finish up your emergency fund. You know michael take all the money you were paying out on the other debt as you were working the snowball and now direct that money toward this car and i it's gonna it's gonna take you a minute But what. I learned when i did my stupid many years ago Pd as pre. Dave had suv payment. And it has a seven hundred fifty dollars a month which is lower stupid. I know don't don't do that. I already had a flashback. Chill the bottom line is is once you work and you pay that off each and every payments you make it's more confirmation of the lesson never get and so that frustration and irritation as you stroke that check. That's what will make sure that you're never in this position again. Yeah i think he's gonna take you about ten months to get out of this thing. And i think that's probably the best route Much much easier than trying to sell outs upside down. This is the dave ramsey. Show garage chris. Hogan ramsey personality is my co host today open phones at triple eight eight to five five two two five. That's triple eight eight to five five two two five. Daniel is in salt lake. Daniel how are you doing great. How are you better than i deserve. How can we help. Thanks so much for taking my call. got a couple of questions me and my My wife we make around one hundred thousand dollars a year We have no credit card debt. Stood dead We have a car payment of The told about fourteen thousand dollars But my problem is i'm in january. I am I'm leaving my job to go to school fulltime. So i'm going to be taking a huge pay cut And probably just work in like two days a week So in we all have also have it. Probably about ninety thousand dollars in cash In my bank. So i'm trying to think what is the best option like right now. Should i just pay off my wife's car With a full cash even though we're taking probably a forty thousand dollar pay cut for this year because you're not a pay-cut stroke check that. Yeah not not not even though but because you are you pay it off today. Okay or sell it one of the two. Yeah yeah it's gotta go. Yeah okay what are you. what are you doing. What are you going to school for biology. I'm gonna try to go into by lock management her By biologist or something. It's just that i've always wanted to do. And i work in the hotel industry for my whole life. And it's been fun. It's been made me good money and Made a living off of it. But it's just kind of ready to go do something that i really enjoy watching wife make. She makes this year. She's getting close to sixty. She owns her own photography business And she's done really well just the past three years that she keeps making more. So she's she's doing she's doing really well wonderful. And and so you're going to pay for school out of the ninety correct okay and cover living expenses shortfalls if there are any but i need to adjust. I don't think there need to be any. I think you need to adjust your lifestyle to be within her income right. Do you all have guests. Daniel nassar okay. Because my question would be this. I mean i love the idea that you have this wildlife thought and you want to go down that path but y not work and go to school at night a knockout some of these prerequisites community college for much cheaper than transferred that to a four year institution. Isn't hotel business in working right now. Anyway i think i i think i will like maybe after the semester. It's just been young thirty years old so it's gonna while since i've been the collar didn't i'm going back to college so i'm coming to start. Started off slowed baby by the end of the year. I could get up my work schedule. it's just kind of a scary thought taking a pay cut one other thing too So gonna pay off my car I years ago. Probably two thousand fourteen I probably spent fifteen hundred dollars on buying bitcoin And i'm probably made one hundred and twenty thousand dollars off of it so i it was. It was such a small amount. I dislike i bought it. I just left it. I never did anything with it. i know it's very risky and everything but i didn't really put anybody into it What do you. What do you guys think about that. As you're saying you can cash out today for one hundred grand for sure okay. So by not kate. Just listen listen to me. Just second okay. There's a process and finance called sunk cost analysis all right and so if you don't cash it out today. In the morning you have reinvested one hundred thousand dollars into bitcoin That should scare your brains out. It's not fifteen hundred. It's one hundred thousand every day. You're leave it there. You are reinvesting in of this again right by nightfall dude. Cash it okay. Fifty percent of your freaking net worth is on the roulette table shrek on one roll of the dice. It's encode. yeah if you if you really can cash it out and you may find out that this is funny money. But i hope you can hope you can do and cumin run away. Yeah you know You know this is one of those things you guys where again you're hearing about this stuff out there and it sounds too good to be true. It is and you gotta be careful. You really do I've talked to a lot of people that have been burned on. This unfortunately have gone the route of even leveraged investing schemes which is pulling money out of their house to invest which is an absolute no no and so just beat. Be smart do long-term investing whenever you try to get rich quick. What i've found. Is you end up getting broke fast and so you wanna have a mindset of building wealth overtime the i. I hope that you can cash it out when you go to do it tonight. I'm suspect when. I hear fifteen hundred turns into one hundred thousand. I'm really suspect that you are getting. I hope you can. I hope you can. I'll just leave it at that. Hope you don't find other things when you go to catch it out but those numbers are are bizarre and and if you are able to cash it out the other danger is is that you actually pulled off this crap once and it's gonna tempt you to do it again so But you do whatever you want to. But i i'm not a fan of ultra high risk investments and At a minimum. That's what we would call bitcoin at a minimum. We call it a lot of other stuff to whole lot of things but Yeah alternative currency. It is an alternative currency currencies. Well and other side is. If you can't do that the other phone call you need to make his to a taxi. Lp so you can understand the realized gain on that because you are going to deal with uncle sam on the growth and again you know i think daniel you walk in through the process and being very intentional within an hour on the other side to this wild thing that you're wanting to pursue i want you to have a burning passion for it not just be interested in it because you're about to take a whole nother shift in life And i hope you're not doing that just to get away from the hotel industry. There are a lot of things that you can do without making this kind of lifestyle change. Yeah yeah that's a true open phones at triple eight eight to five five two two five nebraska's on the line logan is calling logan. What's up. hey good afternoon. Mr ramsey material. Thanks for taking my call. Sure how can we thanks to you. Guys My wife and i are twenty nine. Twenty seven where baby step seven. Lloyd go a lot of fun. So thank you for your teaching for god's wisdom. Thank you My question today. And i come at it from two different angles one an individual and the second as coordinator I work at a lot of farmers. And i have formed in the vast spoil. My question is how in the did you get started farming or how. How did you get started farming without so much debt and then as a coordinator my question is how do i help. Those farmers who are in massive amounts of debt slowly start to get their way out. Well that's exactly how you do. This lowly are going to get out a little bit at a time and you. The problem is that with most farmers is they have a just accepted like with a lot of small business people. They've just accepted that the only way to do it as debt. And they get real mad. Dave ramsey doesn't understand farming will. Yes i do understand business. And i understand what five hundred thousand dollar freaking tractor. Looks like two. And so. I get it i understand. I'm sitting in seventy million dollar building. That i paid cash for so the doing this broadcast from a studio that cost millions of dollars so the i understand large capital purchases in order to do business. Did i start there. No so if. I was starting out farming today and i said okay. I'm not going to borrow money onto it. Well i'm a cheap used old piece of crap tractor and i'm gonna pay cash for it. I'm going to lease. Somebody's land. Because i don't have the money to buy the land and by the way that's how i started this business. I started with a using somebody else's studio. And i rented our office space until we could save up and pay cash for it and i didn't accept the idea the only way you're pinder real estate with that. Don't accept the premise. This is the dave ramsey show. Hey it's kelly associate producer and phone screener for the dave ramsey. Show if you would like to do your debt. Free scream. Live on the show. Make sure you visit dot com slash show at register for you to cut the national day. 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Episode 38 | Backyard Fire Pits

Home Space and Reason

26:53 min | 5 months ago

Episode 38 | Backyard Fire Pits

"Hello Welcome to home space and reason odd cast. Home. Hi there I'm Christina Browning, your host. If you feel like your household frustrations are stealing away your life hour by hour I discuss home functionality aesthetics and automation with a bit of history and psychology. So this isn't your typical house podcast. I'm a realtor in and around Portland Oregon and a home functionality coach nationwide I geek out on various subjects regarding your home and yard challenging you to think of your space differently to get the most out of every square foot. I Post questions for you to think through about your space and reason this podcast is all positive making adulting easier one podcast at a time. Remember. There's no such thing as perfect, but you can still aim for your best every day. In this episode let's discuss backyard home functionality and aesthetics episode thirty eight. Gavin Debra who sings the theme song for the WBZ drama series one Tree Hill said. I was introduced to country music around a campfire on a farm. There are few things in life as misspell gic sitting around an open fire on a crisp starry night sharing stories, watching smoke rise passing a UKULELE around and listening to the crackle of the would ablaze. You might recall episode thirteen called creating spaces for gathering and connection I shared that a firepit is one of those things that draw people in no matter their age to sit and talk reminisce and let their guard down. I'm a fan of biographies I. Read a Story About a guy whose life changed course that I thought you might enjoy to Mike Bertelson grew up in a small town in the high desert of the American West. The outdoors was a huge part of his life forces, hunting fishing, all of it. As a kid he was a fire bug. You probably know a kid like him who just can't stop poking fires with a stick. Fascinated with matches and anything that Burns on the fourth of July. Well Mike worked as a fly fishing guide in Jackson. Wyoming. But not having enough money for gas and fishing got old and so he went to law school. After the bar exam, he moved to the East Coast and eventually got the chance to work on the staff of a congressman from Arizona. Then worked as the council for Banking Housing and Urban Affairs Committee in the US House of Representatives a few stressful years and an ulcer. Later, he eventually became a lobbyist representing the mutual fund industry. Still he never lost the quiet calling and passion for the outdoors. Entertaining was a big part of his personal life. Get this. He was on property that had been part of Mount, Vernon, the home of George Washington, and he got to roam the estate. This is deep history especially for the united, states because in seventeen fifty four, George Washington began residing Mount Vernon a three thousand Acre state and a House that likely approximated three thousand, five, hundred square feet. By his death Washington's Mount Vernon consisted of about seven, thousand, six, hundred acres and an almost eleven thousand square-foot mansion. When I first moved to DC I'd never been East at Denver and I spent the first two years in harbor city without a car and stuff. So when I finally got the point where I had a car than at a wife week. I tried to find place was his natural like find and immediately south of Washington DC I don't ever been there or not. But there's actually a national park called the George Washington Parkway that runs for eight miles along the Bank of the Potomac River. That runs from old town Alexandria to the mansion to the estate just before we. Well two years before we moved there to latest association of Mount Vernon as plenary control of the estate and everything that happens there they sold off a little piece of property to pay for a complete renovation of the mansion and that piece of properties what used to be the firewood forest or these state. And there were some houses that were built down in there and there's no overhead lines knows nighttime lighting. It's just a really cool natural one place. We were lucky enough by house there and I would walk over onto the grounds for four times a week just because it's so cool and that I was taking my kids there Cetera et Cetera. So than-thank colonial Christmas and colonial Christmas is very, very, much different thing than commercial Christmas that we know now. But. They had a couple of little brazier. Soubra hanging on tripods were designed to help people feel warm and fuzzy a mostly warmth. Colder in the winter. And my wife looked up and said, you know we should have beats. And I thought man who told you should have one of those love love. You have it. It's part ever the outdoorsman. He decided to create a fire feature that would draw people together and that same intimate and personal environment of a campfire. But without the blackened rocks, half burnt logs and dirt it had to be beautiful enough to entertain the very highest levels of sophistication senators and the like but still feel comfortable and informal. to start thinking of all elements that I would like. Thousand. Of the cowboy call. So he came up with a design that accomplished all of these things and the cowboy cauldron was born illegitimately really crews. So it was made for me by a mining equipment. It was doubt Virginia. Cobbled together scraps pieces of steel. Once, I started finding it at the time. I was I was a lobbyist with beachell funny industry. So I was entertaining spur Elizabeth entertaining at a fairly high level in the political world as you probably know certainly to it. There's your your personal life in your public life in their very carefully by for. The people on one side don't participate in the other side. Much etcetera. Around. A cauldron defenses drop and it became quite a feature of the political world that I was working in people dubbed themselves to call her in society SORTA. Life. What happens in Vegas stays in Vegas Ethos. But then it turned out that the cauldrons society is erupted suicide Monte on its own without any coaching for me all over the country for some reason, it just seems like a name that people choose for themselves which I think is pretty cool after fifteen years in politics he moved his family back West and upon arriving his old buddies saw the cauldron crafted and they all wanted one. Let's all. Simple. Made me one. Which I said no way hearst. No possible thanking you a cartridge that went on for maybe titled Three Years. But, the one he had I made was complex and he wasn't in the business to make them. Eventually. He gave in and made two more. Happy or KOHLS started coming in on officers not two weeks later I get a phone call. The. Colgan guy could he please make one as a Christmas gift? Sure who you? Live in Jersey. My daughter wants one for for crisps the avalanche had started and there was just no stopping. It got to be kidding many I. I was completely out of my league. That's how start honestly and then you know more people ask warm more people ask for them and I. It's not a whole lot of bank holding company policy work goes on in Salt Lake City Utah as you might guess. And I started thinking well, Gosh in all supply and demand there seems. To be a strong demand for these things I wonder what happened if I tried to make in two thousand, eight that Cowboy Cauldron company was formed in an attempt to keep up with demand since then the design has been refined and new sizes have been added example, just the grill has gone through nine separate designer rations. In fact I've got a brand new one. Like rats today, that's the tenth designed direction of the girl. The girl is marvelous. I keep making changes as things go on to make them safer easier to use prettier more robust more first of all is funny because I moved out of a little auxiliary warehouse this week that I have been in for the last ten years have seventeen different tripod caps. Each showing is slightly different alteration. Any designer will tell you that the hardest thing in the world is to do simple right? Virtually. Every single part of cauldrons has been changed refined multiple times. If I were to buy a cowboy cauldron and for those of you who haven't seen it, it's a cauldron hanging on a tripod. So my question is, then would it kill the grass underneath? So if you use the big one, the ranch boss, the answer is absolutely every time. And the reason for it is that the depth of base in a such by the time you got it low enough where you can see the fire. It's going to scorch the grass and it reduces with each size reduction of call that you met. Tell us about the setup at your own home. Out Check. Question original cauldron that I had made was was the prototype is now the ranch faucets the big one. And that pace in his forty, two inches in diameter and weighs two hundred and twenty pounds and I lot and so this is my wife certain my kids in and and I'm in Salt Lake City right now and it's hot here. It's topping out at the century mark almost every day. And the ranch boss is just too hot. So we scaled down and we're now working around something that's a fraction of its size. I'm sitting around the dude in the reason for that is I did prototyping crap out of it for months and I have the final market ready version done but we're still able to burn almost every night. The fire pit is a reason together it clearly lends itself to gathering and talking for hours. Let me tell you what happens as a realtor when I'm walking with buyers through a home and we venture into the backyard and it happens to have a firepit complete with chairs all around it. They immediately imagine themselves they're relaxing and enjoying their most favorite people. The process of envisioning yourself living there is the first step in a buyer thinking of making an offer. So not only are fire pits a warm fuzzy attraction for you living at your home for years to come, but they're often attractive to buyers as well with visions of s'mores dancing in their heads book that was written recently called the social conquest of earth and it was next generation of how it is that organisms use social cooperative behavior. Bees wasps in humans. The precondition for that kind of behavior is a defensible nest and without a defensible nets, you can't have division of Labor. So we literally evolved to fire an all of our social norms and mores of evolved going in a circle around the fire a practice that stretches back far in history from cave-dwellers to cowboys. Fire has been a central part of our survival. So we're hardwired to take pleasure in it. Matt Ressano an evolutionary psychologist at southeastern Louisiana University explains. Early on when fires were most often built of necessity rather than for entertainment, the people who maintain them had to cooperate in order to enjoy fires benefits warmth protective light, the ability to cook food and these days though their purpose may have changed fires remain a tool of cooperation. Rossano says often fostering conversations that are relaxed and emotionally positive. Let's approach fire pits from a functional angle. Shall we there are some people who are happy to simply dig a hole in the ground, lined the edge with rocks and call it good. But since this podcast truly deep dives into giving every space a reason. I. Want it to discuss it at the next level what are the types of gatherings I might have around my fire. Will. We Cook. How many people would be coming to the fire pit on a regular basis? If your sister lives just next door and they have four kids you best to be thinking about how many chairs you'll want and how big that circumference will need to be. Likewise, the firepit itself will need to be proportionately large. The seating will need to be taken into consideration because adirondacks for example, have a wider footprint usually then a lawn chair let's say. So let's talk about chairs. Anything that you want around Called Lightweight Upright chairs. They can be as expensive as you wish to pay for or as cheap as those stackable nylon once you get from a hardware store. The reason why is that when the cauldron barnes everybody is there there's always somebody coming in with more drinks or somebody going to get appetizers or. You know one person sketches right up to get their feet underneath the cauldron to get them warm and then sketches back again and so you to have maximum flexibility. So, for example, they're fourteen shares on our patio, and when nobody's here, there are twelve chairs around a big table and two chairs sitting at the call. And anytime we burn and that's the nomin closer. Hey Mike spurning. Kurtz burning everybody knows exactly what that means. So whenever SOMEBODY'S BURNING WHEN WE BURN The next morning when I go out to mop up, there will be eleven shares around the call. So figuring out your optimal seating I both in headcount and in what kind of chairs will be used is a great place to start and then work backwards the cowboy cauldron. For example, currently offers several sizes which can accommodate the small backyard's all the way up to a massive ranch in the smoky mountains when you are looking for a cauldron to size the one that's right for your lifestyle or your space. The salient issue isn't really a chair. Because the chair distance will vary as the fire and the weather and every other factor goes on course of an evening evolves. But what you need is the footprint which is where the. Legs touch the ground and then the important thing to remember as you do that. So if for example, you went out and I said the footprint of Model X. six feet point to point. If you and put three beer cans on the ground to mark that space you think. Oh. My God that's huge. But it's not a hard sided model that rises to the sky and most of the space that's inside that footprint. I. Call Negative space meaning this available for us. So. If you're standing there grilling on your cauldron, you're in that space. If you're sitting, there were two feet underneath the basin you're in that space. The other factor is where the legs touched the ground. I said mental liter- literally draw circle about eighteen inches and think about Atta's walk around space. You Never WanNa have sharp corner. This got less than thirty inches around your brain tells you the it's not comfortable. So that's the salient diameter. So if you think about the cauldron footprint, think of it doesn't equilateral triangle but that has concave sides curbing words toward the center then with a little ball at the end of each triangle point. And that gives you the functional utility of Cauldron. And if you've got a cauldron, you're the host. And it doesn't matter if it's your party or. Whoever whoever's in charge the fire Is the de-facto. Boss. But the cauldron the cauldron isn't meant to be placed to dispose of yard debris although that's one of my favorite things to do with it. It's designed to be the center of an outdoor experience there featured as guest amenities even at resorts and vineyards alike tell me about the four seasons resort at Kona. Guy. Chef named Mossy Mall Fossey. As an as you might guess, he's he's no talion guy and he's just movie star handsome big strapping sixty, six, three dude very dynamic and he bought it because he would lead people out on out into the for spearfishing honest. I can't bring people out of the water and have him sit around in the sand for on a gas grill. So they bring their freshly caught fish. Out of the water and throw them cowboy call. That's cool. Plan your fire pit at least ten feet from your house and anything else flammable like sheds or decks were swing sets. Also super versatile. So it's a fabulous grill. There are wonderful as a smoker you can put a fire underneath a call and use it as called cauldron and break the state crowd ed boyle record or make soup or deep fried chicken or whatever, and that's really great because it allows people to get super creative about what kind of event they want to to do without having to reinvest in your stuff and they're super easy to store the legs come apart especially. With the new unit, the dude, Alexa. segmented. So they break down to three feet long and so even if you live in a condo and the only storage God is your little storage closet it's down in the parking lot. You can tuck it away and that doesn't take up any space at all mostly you'll want an open air space. So nothing above catches on fire from hot air rising and sparks from the fire. Did you know there are fire pits that produce less smoke. Yes, some are designed just for this and can be especially helpful if you live in a more dense with windows and doors, just a stone's throw away, they might appreciate less smoke blowing through their windows on a summer's night. Whereas the cowboy cauldron exudes heritage and timelessness. The BRIO firepit Brio spelled B. R. E. E.. Out of Lancaster, Pennsylvania has a modern and more linear feel the X. series fire pits uses patent pending ex airflow technology that creates much better primary air at the bottom of the firepit the found that by raising the air vents at the bottom of the fire pit, they were able to keep oxygen coming in even after a lot of ash built up. They also offer a fire master package complete with custom cooking gear, and even a sexy stainless lid. Of course, include a link on our facebook group page of all the fire pits that I discussed today and then some. Pyramid Fire Pits and stall S. T. A. H. L. are both out of Portland Oregon and both have a steel plate design that slides together to create angular designs. Both companies offer a gas option ideal for those who might have Hoa away restrictions or just prefer the simplicity of a gas firepit both also offer a portable option that you can take with you to the beach or wherever you may roam. And now for the questions to ask yourself about your backyard space and your reason. Question, number one. Do I want to cook over my firepit. If you do, what do you envision cooking a pot of Chili or stakes? Your answer will help you decide what kind of firepit you want because some lend themselves to grilling more whereas others come with hanging pots specifically for slow cooking stews and whatever your heart desires. Question number two, do I have space in the ground for the firepit to occupy or what I rather have a style that hovers over the ground that can be moved in for the winter or moved to another location say if you sell your house, I asked to Mike about this as it pertains to the cowboy cauldron, which is why the dude is. So Nice. 'cause allows people to take their cultures with you can't believe how many people on more than one call from question number three will there be young children around when I use the firepit. If you know, there will be kids around it's best to go with one of the more child friendly designs. There are some models that pose less of a threat to little ones. Question number four, do I want my firepit to be wood-burning or gas and do I want it to be portable? The furthest. We've sent quite a few to Japan was sent a couple of dozen into. Europe. Abide to the Caribbean the Prince of Qatar owns nine of them. Big Bunch to him So they go all over the world one of the things I'm most happy about the call I get photographs and phone calls tax all the time from People Oh, we love our cauldron. Look what we did whether you're my kids on three different occasions I've had men by a cauldron for themselves for their eightieth birthday gift to themselves I can't think of a higher compliment really can't. So says. Here's a great recommendations, savior cardboard cartons and stash them in a bin to us. As fire starters they burn longer than newspaper allow air to move through more easily and don't make as much floating ash. What good wouldn't episode about fire pits be if I didn't touch on the topic of S'mores I, want to introduce a couple alternate takes on the concept and tell you that roasted marshmallows are divine between two molasses cookies. I have several other recipes listed on a blog post on my website that list here for you to visit and Peruse I, mean dark chocolate and cinnamon. How about a sprinkle of Cayenne pepper to offset the sweet so many glorious options to be had. An episode that goes hand in hand with this one is episode twenty, five all about creating great outdoor spaces. So if you haven't listened to that yet, certainly check it out. This episode even includes list of thirty five ideas for your outdoor spaces to. What do you aspire to become in vision your best life? What does that look like? Episode five is all about spaces that don't get used take the space in your home that gets used the least and see how you can reinvasion it to support the daydream that you have for yourself. If you happen to know someone in the market to buy or sell in Oregon city or Portland Oregon area kindly send them my way. The finest compliment I could ever receive is the confidence of your referral. Did you know you can hire me no matter where you live? Yes. If you'd like to hire me as your home coach, reach out to me through social media on my website space and reason, dot com simply click on the link imagine and you'll find choices their. Thanks for sitting in on this conversation about creating a home that thrives before you go write a review because it lets others know that this is a podcast worth listening to have a great day.

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"Sooners at. Jesus. Holy Mary Mother of God papers with breath. Well Good Bashar tough. There's no doubt about it. It's been incredible. Life for the radio station W. E.. We say goodbye. I believe it was born in Nineteen. Ninety one ninety one. I could be wrong. And today. On July ninth twenty twenty. We gather here today. Surrounded by flowers once the flowers and some candles. The say goodbye. I can't even look Dale Barry now. I can't do it. I can't do it. The thing is you should celebrate you know 'cause. There were many good things. But? You just focus on the bad. and. It's a lesson. I suppose and I'm sure. We'll have guest speakers and music to celebrate the life and death of the station. But it's a lesson to be learned that when you capitulate when you get on your knees and I shouldn't say this church obviously. Thank you Steve for that music or church person. This is kind of what happens. You! Allow Bob Murchison. To control you. Throw around. The dominate you. You can turn a fifteen rating into a two rating or a three rating. Off I mean that can happen very very easily. No problems to that whatsoever. The irony of this Mike. You can join me from on. His last couple minutes shows are bombs. Actually been calling me through this right here, Steve. Trying to disrupt this by constantly calling, what is some sort of intimidation, move or something? I mean maybe he's just looking for direct. Maybe. He's welcome to do it. He can keep calling all had like. Maybe he's out of a job. He will be soon said it would be very sad indeed. Here's I, think though. The lesson. Once again. It's very important. They baseball team. That you pay millions of dollars to. Kells you do something. You follow that you all vice because, but they care with the most interesting radio. It's propaganda. My Bob Murchison comes lays out demands. I think the important thing to do. Is Follow those man's one by one. Obey them one by one of course and if you do that. You can finish eighth. You finish ninth. Twenty five fifty four little radio instinct here. Few people gathered here today the morning. I all you people here. I see Greg Mustard. Dale Arnold. We'll get to you in the second. Dail Dale that Chin is not that is. If combustion that what's on your Chin Right now? Freeze it for a while. Now find offensive I think probably. Humor. Few people today as always even when you're always sat us, it's sometimes good to have a laugh. UNDERSTAND WELL! Larry Johnson over there Gerry Callahan Greg Hill look at all. These faces I haven't seen forever. Strategy looking at his phone, Larry Larry Were Church Larry I'm not sure. Check the Larry. Many. People from the Look Single Norway wonderful. Thank you all gathering old French Muda parallel. Everyone here? I'm Ken Laird. Ken Lay right there stabbing somebody in the back. But The importance to follow everything that goes against good radio. Will you get the ratings? No, you lose money, yes. But what's most important? Is Nobody ever tweet anything about you? And Bob Murchison Same Kennedy and Shirley Long will be appeased. Christian Fauria makes an. Electrician, are you? We're Christian Fauria makes an off color joke, because some may say, you're stupid and immature and sophomore published so. Trying Berry this guy. That's what I would do, file to Houston in apologize weep well that make listeners listen to show every day. Respect the station even more no will hurt the loyalty the station. Yes, who cares about that? That's what we're here for today. Day We're here. Berry Berry this. And I know cancer I've seen cancer. Bob Murchison. Shirley Sam Field Zarbano Hanan all combining the most powerful cancer of all Pussy Cancer Oh God. That's what see cancer I'm here to say. It's devastated a lot of families. WORC- cancer is a real thing. Cancel Coachie fucking. Nydia Kevin Clancy. But not bored. He's on board writer. He's never important. Stuff like on the poor disease. He's never seen less important. He has been right now. I'm smelling another Kirkman the hand. Memorial Five K to push cancer. I think it's needed. Thank you. Mature you are today. But. Were you ever really that's? That's the request. Why don't you go sit with the rest of the? Way Your Star at this station. That's true. And I always did feel that I thought we avoided the daily this when they changed. You remember the sports flash. The sports you Mike One Second. Hello all I see everyone out there all the former plaza out today. Yes! Yes well. They changed that one day to trending now. And they didn't. Inherently was still essentially just a sports flash. To such, but was it a hip or name right and change the music a little bit I thought that was the day. We would avoid this sort of thing. Well, but unfortunately so I, talked to the pussy cancer doctor for a while West night on the phone for about four hours. Very Nice Guy. From the pushing ironically, but a nice guy. And he said to me really. Is One of the signs you have. It was them time and temperature said yeah, when you give it both out then we know. There's it's it's the point is is metastasized. But it's important when you're in your car. because. You may not be outside. or no the time. It's very possible you. FUCKING! CIA said the doctor last night. Okay, yes, Doctor said you know I understand what you're saying because again, not not fighter. But the same thing and then the doctor said. I gotta go see mystery guests on the four o'clock today and I don't know who it is. That's you have to find out, and then they found out. That lead to bad ratings. Yes, what was a risk worth taking? Absolutely it was. Joe Zarbano solution. To having the worst ratings in the history of the radio station. To call me twice during the beginning of the show that try and be wacky and distracting. Yes, is that proof that we're in their head? Yes, now they may say oh. You're three years later for you're you're still doing this? As I spoke to Gerry Callahan yesterday begged me not to criticize him today show, it's essentially weeping. said the one thing Markkanen and enjoy our bond though David field all underestimated. Was You are the most personal live, and you will never stop doing this, and I said you're right from eighty years old. I will do this important. I think it scares off. It adds some years to your life. Maybe I think so Alex don't have. When when and again I see everyone sitting here all the dignitaries. Hello, good morning! Where live here in Watertown is the wer. Funeral Kirkman handed her priest host podcast. Jesus, my curious here as well as my Yes, you know what I mean. Nothing preying on the Disabled stupid. Willing to do anything for for sure I mean you really are central casting accident big about. When. When Marty Walsh Charlie, Baker have issues with your hosts who are number one in the city and ratings. It's important for management to let them know. They're going to take the side of Charlie. Baker Walsh every single. I think the one thing that always do. If you're running. A radio station is a take the side of the politicians who are never on the show versus guys are on the show. Yes, that's a no brainer move I used to. Audience wants to hear I used to think is I'm looking at the casket. Here I guess I was wrong. I mean I guess I was wrong with things. It's yes yourself of questions in these times, and what I don't understand is in the last. Twenty months or so. They always hit the brake. Right when they were supposed to. And I felt like. I was listening to your show. I always felt like that was the problem. Is that I never knew exactly exactly. We're GONNA leave. And they've been doing that so well and I. It just doesn't. This doesn't make any sense to me how this happened. Well happen slowly and brutally. But it happened IF I might for second year before we have music in some some speakers as well. Come every few letters now that we're in church. The father, the son who Aman. the first reading. Steve a letter from Dale to the Corinthians. Dale four eighteen to the Corinthians. This is in the old. Testament you an Old Testament Guy Steve. Not so much! I want to sue today Steve. Is this your way of protesting? Off Camera you know. Wear a suit in court nowhere suit here. What is that about? The thought it was way the irony by the way Steve you can confirm this is before i. read the letter to the Corinthians is your old boss Howie Carr claimed that Entercom gave people cancer. That is correct, but it gave. Historic gave itself cancer at the end. It's contagious died of cancer. A sad irony, nineteen, eighty, eight to two, thousand, twenty, not a bad run no for. A letter from jail to the Corinthians. Probably Somebody's, parrot? First. Child is born. I crawled. Walked help. then. He walked along. And then one day he six. skated. skated fast. You skated firm skated with purpose. And then one day that skate turned eighteen. I was able to masturbate him. Let me turn twenty and played minor league hockey as able to watch him change in the locker room. They went to. The hotel masturbated to that thought. Then one wonderful day. He turned twenty four and played. In the National Hockey League. Minimum does that well. He's more than any man ever is because he was given. Abilities. Other people didn't have and he can skate fast with the stick. Something round hard and occasionally gets by another man hits the back of the net. If a man does have forty times in the season. Soft. WET MOUTH ON HIS ERECT PENIS. And Suck on it. The magic comes out goes down my throat. Into my belly. And I defecate. Go poop and try and find it I store it. Talk to it. This is the word of our Lord. Praise be the Lord Jesus. Christ guess Jesus Amen. I think it's also important to. Before. We get to our first. You would call the Steve. A moment of prayer. I think it's also important to note. Before, they forced me out. After almost committed suicide one to a mental asylum, they use my mental health against me as a weapon against me, I applaud that. That was in no way fatal move to the station at all. When I was going to do the show Jerry Chris and Ken and stuff they wanted us to sign a document actually found that talking to yesterday, and it was essentially the same thing that we. The last week, which was that you won't be critical of the Red Sox? Support the Red Sox. Be Talk Politics you talk about transgender issues. You won't talk about anything. You'll be afraid and silent. In regrettably I didn't go along with that, and that's a big mistake. I wish I had done that show. Because that sounds like a hell of a fun show in Hell of an entertaining four hours a day for the listeners. We've been so used to the exact opposite I. Think a nice change of pace. The listeners. Yes, it was a smart move by the station in the sense, that absolute silence may have been better than what they decided to do over the last year. I think so once again. It's important to note. Station finished eighth overall six in the morning's. Eighth in the midday nine in the afternoons. the midday and afternoon shows did not do ratings as well as Mike Salk, which I think is not a bad thing. Salted solid four point four rating. This final book, which was in is the worst ratings book W. E.. In over a quarter century in over a quarter century, give you an idea of how old twenty five years old. Is this okay twenty five years ago? DC's girlfriend was negative nineteen. UNBELIEV, that's how long twenty five dollars just to give it some proper context and perspective, but he calls her his girlfriend. But it's intimate for him. Just Whether he believes that she loves him. Sure I mean. Why wouldn't it be his girlfriend or serious relationship? Go to the movies together. I mean it's in the basement, but they do the movie night. You know again I know if this time I don I in the lot of these people who are looking at me, I'm looking right now. At Tim, Benz was looking at me like what did I. Don't understand these jokes there. Yes, right, so you forget where we're performing in front of a not not performing boy here to to say goodbye, right? Now. Long has our first a speaker for here. Steve Not that you know the exact time of it. I think this prayer will run about thirty four second. I'm very surprised giving them. Maybe nine minutes given the. Cream in the speech Renault. Perhaps okay. Let's let's all take a moment and turn it over now. Police to our first speaker. Mean Let us podcast. Murchison Leon Mark Harmon. In the unity of stupid people walk. Laurien onerous is your podcast, Cheeser US forever under. Meena Men. Mean Let us podcast. Very nice indeed. No idea it was. Very nice some powerful stuff, excellent excellent. I think we get to the point of the services here now where I think it's important to examine. look at some of the good. That was done By this place and they raise a lot of money for the Jimmy. Fund absol- of course. Elected not to raise money for the. Jimmy Fund the Wednesday. That's going to happen. Again if if were people this. I think it's also important to note I'm just doing this for the record. The last book that we did before Murchison came in and destroyed by the way some people may in hello the Bob I know he's sitting here today. if you'll. Fighter them here. Supported in. I think it's important note. this is not Murchison's fault and people say. Are you crazy? Maybe it's because I'm in the house of forgiveness to. Bob Murchison's a madman. They'll how this madman to do this. Bob Murchison injected them, and they allied their hands out and said. Bob was trying in David Fields. No, no, no, no, no. I got a fresh vein for you right here, Buddy. In Jack Can. We help you. Yes, can we help you? And Shirley and Sam and the globe, and the rest of the crew, hello to them and hello to Brian mcgrory. Brian She's careful, Brian. Here no, no college yet. Isn't that section so it's allowed. That is true. Yes, he feels very comfortable. In Church press accord thus. Why think? It's. It's it's. You want to gloat, but at the same time you can't because it's not that kind of feeling right now. It's not the kind of vibe in the room immortal. I take some personal satisfaction from knowing that stations completely fucked with all due respect to the people. The church right. Yes I do I. Hope Joe. Zarbano loses his job today. Yes, Jerrell Powe say Ghodse just our Bama's fault, but is you know Mike? He's an asshole. Sure you liar. He's a snake, pretentious, pretentious, terrible, awful, human being douchebag told Dish Bank and there are people I like there, but then MSA. You stuck around so. Tough puppies. That's the best I can say this church where? I'll remember letter here. And then we will maybe here from Eulogy One more time than media have some use for some music. Okay! No. How parents? This isn't the right time for that. To. You asking me for. Consent. It's church. What it would do more me to do. I don't I. Don't know churches the right. I mean if if it makes you feel better, you're upset. When these whispering to me I'm sorry bears was. I mean on all right if you needed. I'm Patrice, Bergeron. This is feels. Can. Not that bad. Choked up. Part. Bit Thing. God. I was very nice tribute in the way I suppose. Tearing Up, you know I get emotional with these sorts of things. I guess that's never happened before just thirty seconds, but I could be wrong. Go One more time. Please level more. Different speaker with a completely different. Jokes yes. Please I walked through the Valley of cowardice and incompetence at Dobrynin. FEARED NO FAILURE For talent. And intelligence was within me. My Rod. Now deepen there S. Comforts me. I prepared a top rated morning show. And the presence of nine enemies. In the face of betrayal. I offered you. The sweet fruits of my labor. Still. You anointed my head with the Piss of my enemies. And My Cup runneth. The hot bitter tears. Ran Down my cheeks. Nourished my blood and scenes in vengeance. And now. As to me. The station of irrelevance continues to erode. My crops blossomed to the sky. For I am your greatest mistake? Own. And I continue to rise. By. Rabbi! Rise podcast she's. A? Don't laugh cry. Literally I have no idea what's. Going to think that most of all know me, I thought it was said so I. Don't know whether it laugh or cry. Iron Steve laughing expose was funny. But support a lap because they've made laugh over the last year and a half everything they certainly did dale rich. Let's not forget rich Keefe of course who? In the mock, the blind which I applaud threatened MIA. Threaten you, yes. is in horrible ratings. And once said that I never finished number one which is interesting. Richie is not finished number seven in the last few books, but that's okay. Goodbye Joe Zarbano. Keep calling as I just text them goodbye. Mark! Hanan you fat piece of Shit Goodbye David Field. You snake asshole by Tim Murphy. Who told me how much he hates fucking David? `field. Goodbye Mike D. And his crew. Of Assistance. Young supple and quick to sign paperwork interesting I'm just I mean I don't know anything about that. goodbye goodbye goodbye. You took the wrong path. The took the pussy. Highway Pussy Highway, one which leads your right to irrelevancy losing money. And people like Oh the pandemic. That's why no one's listening sports talk radio probably mean. The other station finished number one across the board and had their highest ratings ever. It makes it hard. It's sort of a tough point. and they did lose. Thirty million dollars cost them forty million to get a F- million sell it so I'd say it's to bring Greg Hill over to get basically a three rating the in the three rating from a so all to get rid of me. The whole thing and people think I was making about being I. Don't mean to make it about me today. Everyone kneeling and Feeling bad right now we're going to hand out the body of Dale here in a few minutes, which should be able to feed you for its excellence in years a cut a bunch of and bring it home the people. But this was all done because. Again if Bob Murchison's. Dad finished his mom's stomach. Unfortunately be doing a terrible Buchan born show Jerry fighting, but the national anthem, so maybe it's a good thing, but you know this is all because of that. In its in think, we lost ten million dollars because of merchant. Lost since. Four five times that all because they were afraid. Afraid afraid to tell this guy fuck I if I may in the House of God, fuck off. Fuck off I'm Elgon. Jerry's now gone. In the station is now in the toilet forever permanently and I suppose they'll continue to exist, but they're dead and we're going to bury the body here today. We'll go across the street and Steve Berry. Is You always does yes? We didn't bring a knife to that. Which is strange? But this is what happens is a cautionary tale. I tell my friends Barstool as well in light of recent events. Listen that's fine. Have Conversations Swell? Don't give in. Don't turn your back on what you are most important. Is Mike Erie learned after yesterday. Don't turn your back on your audience. They matter most I. Almost. And drag a legion of fans all over the place. You couldn't get four people from the I go. Follow our listener, do anything. I'm GonNa these people. Shit faced. You know passing coronavirus rounded soccer a few weeks right Steve. Yes, except for the coronavirus. Now, of course, it's all done just of course. Take the precaution. Yes, selling a places in two minutes greatest fan base of all time. That's the listen not me Shurmur once in a generation talent fine. So once in a generation fan base the greatest fans of all time you people right now or home in your dresses, and your Tuxedos and your suits morning. What was? ENTERCOM field told you people fuck off. Fuck, you go away. It's nice to know. They went peacefully though. They did last year. They haven't had to deal with. The headaches they were dealing with and things like that's true. It was an easier way to go in radio. Dot Com rolls on to be fair. And, in tremendous, we love them. But they told you guys watching right now and utility watching Steve on YouTube. They are watching up Steve. They're loaded up good. On. They told these people in by the way. Second is here right now? He's trying to. The wine is for adults. These it's part of the the I mean really I mean Jesus says some different. We were trying now to mean Oh God. I mean that is not even arguable. The age food. What are we doing here? You should see your paperwork. She swears she's. Jesus came to speak. She does look yeah. He's a be well. That's that's a diaper sexual. Computer. Point being. The greatest fan base of all time was told the hit the bricks. People still listen to that thing in any way shape or form your fucking crazy. That's on you. But that's not about that. We say goodbye. A thirty year run ended yesterday. Goodbye Dale Arnold Goodbye. My friend Glenn Ordway. Christian Fauria Lewellen. You Send me the station with the worst thing ever happened to the station. Wilson, Lou Wilson. goodbye to all the people in the past had serandon. Whoever you want, a name name Joe Castiglione all these fine people they've all lived lives, not good, but they've all lived lives and other gone, and we'll stuff him in the casket and say goodbye to this cancer four ever goodbye for a life live live. The life lived and Joe Zarbano. There's a special place in Hell for you you. fucking asshole Amen Amen. We'll music steve as we say, goodbye and shuffle up by the way respectfully. There'll be. It'll be service after I suppose right. Can sure Burns on Lake Street is that right or the meals served as well just before that? once again to say father son, Holy Spirit. Go now, my young children. Disciples. In praise podcast Jesus. Amen. Lay. against. You. With its last day on or choice to go out with the cowards roll over tonight at eight point five. Zero, but it all started when they sighted with that fought face will just get the value to know. Prevent. Kids. that. Has Been. His. Pocket. Where Ross! where he will bobby. Dad. All right well 'cause bonus he wants. It was my first I'm. Because, if it's just to fuck with you, that doesn't. Make a lot of sense I don't think he's calling me randomly. Her put his wife was illegal issue with. I. Know It's, but he must have had something he was. If you answered calls exactly at night. Yeah, I think. Maybe he was calling for advice. Could the odd maybe? I call was nine. Oh six, now for the now six gives number Steve I do. assigns. Maybe he didn't actually want to talk to you. Job Are by no I'm sorry Mr. Call I can't get to the phone right now, but leave a method. We left message. Call again. He called us a couple of times. I. Mean when you do see the second number. You don't know you. You might answer the second time. That's true although I think he probably knows this number. Now like being harassed destroy shows all right. Last time you. Two kids talked. spin a longtime. He picked up once back in nine. On your call, that's true. Maybe even. Though. Production. Almost almost. ruined. Guess. Genius If you can't buy by. Was GonNa? Catch fire and the whole thing with the cameras. We're GONNA. Go, Allie! What would have happened That's a good question. I, don't know I mean I can't imagine his. Job, sooner not I have no idea I'm place operates. And there are people that are like anybody whose job at this point I, really no I wonder if they think of this as badly. Now because they they did make the deal kind of like okay. We know we're going to get less ratings, but we're safer. Kind of the that was the goal essentially right? Yes, but I think they didn't. I told them this and they didn't they nobody ever listened to the all. which you on the air, the only reason people stations that was on it, that's it. That's the only all due respect. Jerry when I left. The ratings went in the toilet before I got there. They were sinking. I mean that's just the fact. Dale and blue and critic. Ken Ratings now. Is there the threes now? That's there's no. There's no other reason is no no other change. Yeah, and it's not I mean people people I assume radio ratings in general are down, but the sports hub is quadrupling them. have. Ratings re Norris. They did twenty nineteen fell grandma's and crazy. Oh Jesus, but you know I mean. That was my takeaway as she was anxious. WHAT'S UP Steve Nothing owes his yeah, the It's just I've never I. I, it's incredible to watch incredible watch place meltdowns and they know they can't handle and they'll behind the scenes. The cancel the stuff. They were scrambling trending on twitter. That's true, but they had a lot of buzz. They and they don't have a handle that and they're dumb and they're all scared, so they won't talk about. Suppose going at me. Be Like fuck this guy fucking loser! Get over it I like the people is kind of relates to what Kevin was doing today on twitter, but I like the people that were tweeting it me years you or Steve or whoever and saying like this doesn't make any sense. E I didn't do anything deserve to be. More canceled cultural. I like the people there was A. There's that spos- guy the wrapper from Maine who was like finally. Yes, we gotTA cancel. IAE, especially that morning show that used to be on camera. Woman with a blue checkmark got mad crazy. What did you see? You're going back and forth and the fans because I didn't say Daniels same this. Yeah well huge sexism, Sukasto. Yes, Oh, is that a big comedian? Is that a she joking or not? You have no idea because I saw some things like some something about her hair, so I didn't know. I think might have been no that is, that is a feminist trope, because people say Hillary, but they'll say trump sure, said Liu. Glenn and there's no way that thing. I said Glenn Ordway Christian for a move long. No, no, Chan-, also you. Danielle doesn't put an her name is Danielle Moore I. Think goes by Danielle on the air. I'm pretty sure. yeah, I would think so. Don't give up you one saying I'm, A. I'm, A. Work related phone call. Everything's good okay nick panic. Now. WHO's very scary. We know where we're GONNA come back and say oh. We're talking about. Trump was umbrella. Oh. 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You know I'm not you know it's a Cliche to say I'm the guy is just that whole, but it is to the idea that you should have to apologize for things you said. Four years ago is kind of the. It's a culture where you're worried about getting cancer you wouldn't have. Apologized video surface of course now that he bullied them into apologizing, having right about how he's the woke, he's ever been in that blog post that bizarre. He came across that rundown and watched he wouldn't say Jeez. You know what I should go on KFC radio tomorrow I'm clarify. What are you talking about? Eric Garner and Michael Brown all this stuff and Colin Kaepernick he wouldn't. He just wouldn't. He got called out. You got scared. He apologize and he kept his job. So when you apologize sometimes, if you're not important enough like him, they they spare you. I suppose but I think the the big picture is though we're talking about from the perspective. Is You know? Whatever cancel culture is if you wanted to find it semantical. That's fine, but whatever the words are four. What happened there? There is something for that now. The other argument can be as we said in the service is David field the beginning and ee, I in their competence, said fuck off go away, but they were scared of Murchison than going to war in contacting advertisers and contacting globe, but guess what we need your psychopaths. They're going to do that anyway. I was in these meetings I. Know I've gone over these stories. To hear it like in a room. It's amazing to think this Gerry Callahan me. Fill Zakar. He's now gone. He's running a station the main only. Person In the front office I've worked with any balls. Bob Murchison. and. I want to say somebody else face it. Reamer and yeah wasn't rewritten. Vi Way of thinking is is a transgender issue, so bring the gay guy in an old because you know they're all. They're all the same right like that's how the? Sexual deviant around mediate this for us. Four, Alex was like what am I doing? I was thinking fucking. Whom might use an even fulltime? He's got this great voice at the station. He was like a part timer. He's on our show a couple of days once a week or something bad form made no sense. We sat there merchant all this stuff up. And we're like okay, all right fine. Okay, Sure Yeah I. You'd be offended by that, okay. And I've told the story before I feel like today just feels like worth telling you sure and and Mercer I want you to say you're never gonNA talk about anything. transgender related again and signed a document saying. Which is somewhat difficult? It's just like if there's a professional athlete you stick to sports. Literally, trying to then you're now. You're negotiating with somebody. WHO's insane because they're just listening and I, said no, Bob. What if the Caitlin Jenner thing happens again? That's like a canceled culture contract. Signing you. If you if you cancel, culture will return if you deviate from the terms disagreement, do feel with if he was. There have been like you guys should sign that. No question because I was like with Caitlin Jenner happens again. What if? I forget I said I. Think Actually said well. It's Tom Brady announced tomorrow. He's going to begin living life is he's always been the woman and he's GonNa. Live life as what's in the news today. Like what the how how we wouldn't talk about that because we signed this deal, and then when you have Tom Brady on. You don't. Extreme by throwing. Whatever I mean, however you want to, you know. which the transgender story in the paper the other day! News the paper the news the other day. WE'RE GONNA discuss it was. But just stuff just stuff and eat look at us like we're. We're. Of course she's decide them. And then led to you know all this stuff. And then it was just a wild year and a half. Glad it's over, but when I left. I told these guys I told Zarbano. I told Mark and I said you guys are going to get cold, totally fucked here. The audience and that's why I mentioned at the end of the thing earlier. It's all the matters like you know as young Mike. Yesterday. Sort of you know amplified, but still at the core of it is like the audience is all that matters, and once you tell the audience. Bob Merchants like once I left the you know. Half the audience left in Jerry stock around, but it didn't really matter like. Like it was over, the audience had already decided. These guys have no balls. They have no guts thinking. Get pushed around by the Red Sox by the globe by Bob Murchison and that's a fact, and then you know a year later. What happens? You're doing three three ratings. The lowest ratings stations had in twenty five years, and that is a direct correlation. A The people have just said. We're not listening to anymore. We don't trust you guys. You guys are cowards when you talk about that meeting and Bob says well of course. I don't even I mean of course I have a problem. They'll probably an. Fall I. would he give a shit? If you're not allowed to talk about something, you can't say hey. He's nuts. You can't say well above ratings will go down. He doesn't give if I have not supposed to be up to. Martinez Model Evil Person. He's a wretched, disgusting, despicable, human being. They really have no problem with him. Because as I said even during the process, he has remained entirely consistent the whole time he will fuck you. He will lie to you. He will contact advertisers when he says he won't know deal as fair is and you. Know, what you're dealing with I'm sure right now. He's listening and he's got some plan six months from now I have no doubt it's. That's why the parcel at first because they would say. Oh, ignore him. I'm telling you I was saying no I know who this person is an DEMARCO's credit. Eventually they said no, you whatever you want but he i the whole time placate would be meeting with Marquette would come in after the show in either call me in the office I probably had. One hundred meetings with Zarbano handed about the sky over the course of a year and a half. More than ACAS, joy would just come in after every show Mikko. More problems with the guy that cheese believe this guy fuck out of here fixing. Yeah. No, I can't believe it. It's because of the warped power dynamic are they're a huge corporation? They have a huge loyal audience on their side. They should have been more powerful than this, but because of their culture because of their politics, they perceived body to be the one who was willing the power. And they're just. I mean are Bono's just. A guy wanted to be a radio producer that they put in a management position. You know we got. A lot of radio is he's. Stated Entercom I might have a management job someday. He's largely realm. He's actually irrelevant the story still he's the liar. He's lied to you, but that's, but that's management, but. He has nothing to do with Bob Murchison like there's nothing he could. David Fields GonNA, listen are no, but it's representative of problem in radio. Generals go out of the people I work with just give moated these management positions, and they're like okay. Originally wanted to be on air or producer. Now I'm the head of Marketing Program Directors unveiled sailed on air. Air Talent Yeah every program directors for not smart. That's the other thing is didn't succeed on the because they weren't smart, so let's move him here and Joe Zarbano. Making forty two thousand dollars a year. GonNa tell Kirkman and making you know a million dollars a year. What to do, it's the it makes no sense. It just doesn't make any sense know. Know you are Howard stern or Dave Portnoy the greatest program directors ever because you know talent, but that be beneath. You just have a job where you're not on the. That's what I used to tell. Sam Know Gambian I'm your program director? You should listen to me if you listen to me, do better, but hey listen. He's doing great. Yes, but so this is what happens, and like I said the the audience just says fuck. It were out of here. We're Lebron and you know if Barcelo for that to US leave and my audience will come with me, and that's that's that's. That's how you do it, and it is an amazing tale. The goal is not to come in second place won't. Accomplish. Should accomplish rich. That's that's true well played. You are long way from second-place. Geniuses hired Mike Salk, house. That was worth hustling yeah. Wasn't really. Tough run the better ratings than you do. I mean I love glamour the better than those guys you know and I'm GonNa get a little bit because I liked them and I know like I all three of those guys who expressed to me that they wish. I was still there so I I'm I. Mean They're not stupid? Blake Dale enrich our Bano and handing wanted me gone, because life would just be easier with the Mike salk thing for anyone out of out of Marcus, it's a time where like I. Black and I forget it happened. It was a dark time, and might my my first kill like I. I drove him out. It was so bad he was awful and he was destroying the station, but now like it was a nightmare, thank. You would fit in fine. They are now. It'd be great fine, and you know. They got slaughtered today yesterday i. mean slaughter like it's hard to. There's never been greater discrepancy in the ratings, and there was yesterday ever between the two stations divert cume 'cause I'd like to know. I'd like I'd like to get raw numbers like it's got. How many thousands of people hundreds of even? Two thousand people who had been asked to be and you know, of course the media won't write about it. All did the, did they? They've struck a deal as well so they'll write their basic story with all the ratings, but they won't get any opinion like they used to. In the past when they wanted us to lose now they have nobody to really hate there, so they just US reported defense. They wouldn't write about singleton releasing a new podcast. Media critic globe. Immediate courtesy of the globe whose life was hating well now he is the worst shit. They're abandoned. He's not going to say that. I'm on Jerry's gone. They probably get more clicks if they wrote about MHP leaving the fan. True Which? Is More listeners I'm serious. Yeah, of course. There's no doubt so I mean you know it's? It's incredible. I predicted. I knew it was going to happen. And you know I mean like in the fall the couple because his football or whatever but I mean they're dead. They are so fucking I don't know financially how they get out of it. I have no idea there's they must be bleeding millions and millions of dollars, because it's not I'm not sure if you know the ratings all the other entercom stations or the stations in general. General but like that. Be that big one of three. Was it that we talked about it there will. That's an intercom stay. I know if it did well, but it's just like they're not paying anyone. That's true. They don't have employees, so maybe they're doing better than e I, but then that's what is GonNa become just a board ops station that's run from, but there's no. There's no real money there, though like the advertising, not not real money in big one three I mean there's No D., no lower costs, but there's certainly. Certainly not bigger, most I mean I mean the upside of a place like any iron fa enter a sports hub is when things are good and businesses. Good in pandemic is massive in when it's not you know or it used to be. That's the other thing. Was the industry itself also dying? PS, while this is going on i. mean they just make it up because they have higher inventory as they can? If you're running a radio station twelve hours a day, you can be running spots all the time and you can whether. Whether you're bill and fifty dollars more or four hundred dollars forum us have so much inventory that shoved down people's throat true. That's true. The strangest part is they give this inspired. If if your funeral today inspires them to blow up the station, it'll be epoch key sports though fire everyone, but then tomorrow will bring in Steve Buckley, more people They'll bring Pete Shepherd backup. Always who is ill, they'll get rid of one or two people in the shuffle. The people around SPN big thing was. We're bringing back Mike Greenberg. Rich Keefe with you know bloom Loney. Feels like the wake. We're all sitting around with our cup of coffee. Talks with the kids are going. There was one of the first time you re tweeted me. It was honor of. A. GRANDPA Jerry's going to be okay. They put them in a nice home. That makes it very important between well, it was it was when I said Unbelievable. Exactly how I phrased it, but innovation and Radio Gerry Callahan morning's Dale Arnold middays and Glenn Ordway in the afternoons because they're making this big deal like us, we reshuffled. Can you believe it's the same same choline? It was twenty years before has a radio change that deserves the kind of hype that gets I. Don't think ever. Know maybe dino leaving I made by the bigger ratings. Yeah, but I'm just saying they're always over hyped like you're not going to believe what we're doing for. Passing are stingers. No never never pays off Howard too serious thousand eggs for sure that was yeah, but yeah I. It's it's just is fun to watch. It's fun to watch him and I know the best part from us. I know these people are scrambling and lying and sending out emails. Everything's okay when it's not. PEOPLE ARE GONNA lose their jobs and the celebrate when that happens. I'm going to be sold noxious, not gonNA FUCKING BELIEVE IT AMINU! Enjoy because I deserve it. They fucking. We're told Lassos to me single. Fuck off for ever the biggest problem for them to is I'll give them. Them a sort of a pass like it's not totally there fall in the sense that any talented people have been driven out of radio. Anyone and I don't even just mean new people any appeal. Let's say anything remotely. Edgy, or interesting or sure they'll WANNA go. They'd rather go barstool or start their own podcast or whatever they're not going to talk show, failure and communication, too, because they never say what Barstool with some extent like their salespeople were never programmed to communicate properly with national advertisers, even during the merchants and thing we went over the Turtaboi. He wrote a great story. All these you know Wendy's whatever all these national advertisers. The rich bailed murder way without knowing a thing. Get rid of it. GET OFF! Our table came merchants at this fifteen emails. One Guy and they bailed. There was never anybody between to communicate because they don't do. There's no the company's so fucked up. They don't know how to do that. They just don't know how to do it, so they've also. All radio stations have such tremendous overhead costs just to maintain their tower and they're being circumvented. Circumvented, by the Internet by PODCASTS, sure they. They don't have enough money available to pay talent what they deserve when they're paying an engineer one hundred twenty five thousand dollars just to keep this thirty year old tower unless I mean I mean e Entercom has to be especially during what's going on right now. In the world, they must be losing so much money. It must be unbelievable. You must be losing millions of dollars a day. Thanks Tracy surprising I'm surprised. I didn't get one of those. Weird that is strange. And maybe they did it through a subsidiary that can't find. Enter calms took alone, but entercom didn't I do wonder vendor com, playing the bunch of people off, though in that makes them not eligible to do the PCP well. They'd have to pay it back if they laid a bunch of people off right, that's not so. Well to shame, so they go, so it's it is a day of mourning. I suppose if you're still fan VI. Of Life Is. Life and I'd take I, told yesterday talked to Jerry for Wallace was like you can be because he was talking about. She's like you are not going to say. The ratings were bad before you got. Don't just kept trying to find you don't do. Jerry just enjoy today. Of US joy like I delivered the kill shot. Then you stuck around for a while. Once you left. Whoever kind of stuck around after I was there they're they're gone to like. that. Audience is gone at this point two-dozen just. Like, why does it bother me? I don't know it's a good question, but just enjoy. It, but he's he's like. If you saw yesterday, he'd been tweeting out. He doesn't do any of that because I still think in the back of juries. Have you thinks he may go back there? They asked him back. Thanks, the money was good. He'd go back and tell you that there's also I was on hold while all. This was happening with the Felker. From for Mike as well right see, we have one call I we to. We lost the Matt Dot Com. What I don't know where it is what happened? To find it near Archive, big speech mad dog was. Very interested in it sort of. But I don't know where it is. Oh! Well the calling the second Mike what you're saying. It might when you're talking about Jerry. It might be something like some of these guys don't are the old school radio guys I notice are not interested in mocking people that they know losing their potentially losing their well, maybe publicly well. You. Know he hates he even hey, Dale. He has respect for, but he hates. Now he hates field. He Buchan hates field. Know the sad thing is. If they'd gotten fired a month earlier, they would have been eligible for that. Extra six hundred dollars in corona virus relief healthy, but he's fired now. They're just GONNA be on regular. Unemployed was told massive firings coming, so we'll see who knows I don't know massive in terms of like the size of the person who's going to get fired or Both we're GONNA. Have a party. Believe when that happens like. You wouldn't be leave I'm here this call. Fellow right. No, it's Murray and I. Had something else prepared. And then I saw the cancel he I should, as I was on hold so SORTA. altered. had. been on, hold your question about the red sox or thought about the red sox glad built. Real quick I wanNA thank you for being part of the Hashtag canceled W. E. Movement. You've been tremendous soldiers, but I do have a question for Murray Real. Quick a serious questions. Yes, Murray. Do you have a spot? Mo- Mowing Your Lawn Bill. Arnold needs some work. You're probably GonNa let you go. So look. For anybody lose their job at to get canceled I really Dont Atta boy. It's not good for anyone. If that happens and I believe in competition at believe in all of that I'm not you know I'm not happy about any bit I'm sad to hear what happened at the Herald last week. What's funny is like I am just poison like they can't. They can't even like you know Jim those like the kids say my name. Say My Does he know something, because as far as I know hasn't gotten. Like. This is a very sad. Addressing you like somebody's already looking for work. Mesmerizing this orbit, though yeah, you're right, he might even know, but it's just funny like they would never weird like yeah i. just do things differently. I would be like if Greg Hill did something to try go that they went at us and we would talk. It's so weird they choose not to. It's a weird instinct. June into violin, music or something in mock. If it goes out of business. That's great man, right? Over the long term they could get complacent. Blah Blah, Blah Greg Hill Greg. Greg nothing to me and I. Should I'm like if I was Grail, I'd have Ken Laird playing the fucking train sound. Like why not what? What if People WanNa hear it, too? It's the. Same as I go back to core thing. Is. What makes Chick-fil-a so great? They care about their fucking customers. Your customers would love. The ones left to listen to the I probably hate me. So fucking do it. It'd be funny I. It seems very simple. They just don't want to do I remember. But we know why they don't want the blowback. Well so I mean there is like when when Mike Adams yet fired I remember I tweeted at Mutt and said congrats on getting the first kill under your belt, and Zolak responded that this is disgusting. The man lost his job. Really. Yes, so it's just like I. I think maybe they just don't joke about that. Shit again gusting. Yeah, I'm sure I'm sure if if kirk ever fired from Barstool, there would be no tweets from your old radio. That, yeah, of course. But yeah, so there you go. Oh, anything else you WANNA. Say about yesterday. The ratings overall because I mean I, it is in by the way. The fans may go on. Periscope and same training by five o'clock, it's trending three fifty. It's interesting to know you can get anything trending now. Good work with a shovel by the way thank you. That was weird. Find Skill, so that's how you have calluses on your hands. Now is not easy. To understand, that's hope troubles. In general. The sharp park goes into the dirt right. Yeah, I just didn't know that sometimes you can step on the back of the spade to get a little extra power. You Sit. said. Okay wherever you safety So gives you electric power. Yes, there you go! Web So what happened the mad dog call? They don't so. When I texted Steve, it was right when you did your periscope and Steve Style runaround preparing for the funeral. Okay I was going to archive. We'll have it eventual. Okay, serious serious archiving! 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Yeah, rocking serious shitting on him he he knows for sure they may have been a complaint. I have no idea but booming. We send the air we quitting. With. I mean you know maybe maybe maybe that battle would have happened if we kept doing it. I have no idea. That interesting the find out if they did if they did way. Knows I know that they personally supervised anything. That's happening with their audio. So when we tried to get some audio files directly from the serious people, they never got back to us. Really. Yes, so at least they're. Producers knew that we were looking for something right A. B.. I wonder if they give it. Just give out to like, but there were. CBS viewers something right. Yeah, pro! Hillary's team. Yes, what else is going on? I did see I saw this right before we started Did you have using the lady antebellum thing? Ti. MAZED BY Not Anymore Lady. That name, but okay, the second lady, but so they changed it to Ada with with apparently doing no research, and there is already a singer by that name Lady A. She's a black singer and they're now suing her. Of progressivism just like we're doing this to help black people's feelings, except for this particular black person, we're going to steal the trade. More money and more years. He's fucking frauds and what is wrong with antebellum? I E? It refers to a period in history. Yeah, okay. Things were dark, but what if it was if it was like ancient, Greek or something like that I mean there were slavery then do we have to change that as well we should. Absolutely absolutely we would cares fucking. Pay Must be horrible. Hey, and they sound horrible. Not Really. That hit song about the the crazy ex girlfriend key and her boyfriend's car. Yes, yeah, I believe that is them was shallow design. Look who knows it sounds of name that I could pull it up if you want who knows? How are you talking about frauds and just inconsistency in bullshit? Can. Joy Reid who blocked so much horrendous shit! Dude! Have the I tweeted out this morning Steve did. You get that tax yet? Once I don't play I just actually before we started so. Just a little George so joy. Reid is getting Chris Matthews old job. Number, Chris Matthews got bows for sexual harassment right. State never really mentioned, which was odd is, did he leave the middle of the show? Yeah, he did his first segment, and then he got up and left weirdest weird. Is that still? It's weird a that. They gave him a last segment, right? That's the Magic Malik. Matt Lauer's final the nation. He was kind of like a Riley in a way where he was getting. He had such a loyal audience of old baby boomers in his his billing was high, and they put up with him for a very very long time, and there was never any like smoking gun, right? There's always took the settlement. Riley doing final show. The difference! Between the two is that while that's true? O'Reilly's numbers and billing was bigger and his crimes were I. Think ullmark shrimps go. To, you know we're talking a lot of the Chris. Matthews stuff was Oh, you know. He made an inappropriate comment. Oh, Dickhead boss! O'Reilly was like well. We're talking like rape. Shit with the if you're GonNa let Chris Matthews then we're grading them so then. What do they defend these people and it's like Oh you're a rape apologist. That's kind of what they're doing with. These different to say that some of the looks nice in the skirt. Then you know then yanking. Raping. I find it to be a little different, but either way, so he's out joy redesign, and you say okay. WHO's Joy Reid? well. The blog posts from years ago. We're not that Fargo December. Here's a blog. Post had her own website when she was covering Florida. Politics. Thousands so Charlie Crist, for example we've been long been rumored to be gay. The former then former governors and HBO documentary that said he was all this stuff i. have no idea abuser, nor do I care. she named him. Miss Charlie than claimed the only married at one for poker political purposes. she made derogatory remarks about people claiming most straight people cringe at the sight of two men kissing in adult gay men tend to be attracted to very young post pubescent types. Does that make me homophobic? She writes probably. In apologizing for the resurface blog post read first tonight. She posted them altogether in a statement She made this at this time, said the blog of the work of hackers, the part of an effort to taint my character with a false information by storing blog at end of the decade ago now somebody went in acknowledge that an investigation. It's so clearly her. It's not even like no. Time traveling hackers, they traveled back in time, edited the homophobic things in in the two thousands when no one knew who. was correct reader self skepticism on her show on Saturday. When a friend found the post in the summertime to me, I was stunned. Frankly I couldn't imagine where they'd come from whose voice that was in the months since I spent a lot of time trying to make sense of these posts, I hired cybersecurity experts. If someone manipulated my my former blog rally is they have not been able to prove it. Do we have that. Do we have the second part of her apology? Enjoy! A community I support, and that I deeply care about is hurting because of some despicable, truly offensive posting attributed to me. Many of you have seen these blog post circulating online and in social media, many of them are homophobic, discriminatory, outright, weird and hateful. When a friend found them in December and sent them to me I was stunned. Frankly I couldn't imagine where they'd come from or whose voice that was. In the months since I've spent a lot of time trying to make sense of these posts, a hired cybersecurity experts to see if somebody had manipulated my words or my former blog, tremendous reality is not been able to prove it better, but here's what I know. I genuinely do not believe I wrote those hateful things. Alien to me. But I can definitely understand based on things. I have tweeted and have written in the past why some people don't believe. It's verbs, and from being dumb or cruel or hurtful to the very people I want to advocate for. I own that I get it. And for that, I am truly truly sorry. I had a conversation the other day with a friend who's also an advocate in the Lgbtq community also occurs. Ask Your task for my tweet, mocking and coulter using transgender stereotypes. You sure did by way to my friend and I want to apologize to the Trans Community and to an. Again and again like you know. This is not convert letterhead for have the show I. don't care, but the double standard is. There's no one no one can get A. Double Sayer. This woman and let's be honest. Why do you think she gets the? Why do you think she has a show? Well? Why not because of where? She went to college because she's black. I mean that's that is the obvious I mean like wh fucking kidding here. I mean I hate to sound like day. Portnoy but I mean you know, but that's. What was he talking about Brandon? Yes, yeah, I mean I. Mean that's a reality. They're afraid it again once again. White guilt is opposed saying this. I. Fifty Women Black Women. Who would you this job better crepe hire? them is instead the thing that would ruin anybody's career. They found these things where she's making fun. The transgender community gay people she. She tweets out. Let's see this one here. The of heterosexual especially men find the idea of homosexuals to be well gross. Just, it's just unbelievable is also an advocate just like just like advocate. If you took any white male who had tweeted things like those ten years ago and then give him a spot on Fox away. N. Newsmax, any of those MSNBC will be right at the front of the line, trying to organize the boycott going after advertisers radio on the show every day weighing in on stuff on Thursday this years ago, a couple years ago, buzzfeed surf. The Post contained an image of John. McCain's head photo shopped on the body of the Virginia Tech shooter. So she can apolo apologize and move on billy. Tucker. Carlson. Racist I mean who's a racist here. WHO's a homophobic? What you? Know advertise. Go after nobody will do anything because she's black. Only lefties involve crazy to me to me. That's actually racist like treat. Everyone equally now now somebody like Casey will come in and be like. Oh, well now you're trying to engage in canceled. We're trying to point out that culture goes one way correct. It's a tool of people on the left. Who are in power, and they use against us, and we're using irony to point that out the shrimps. Like Dave talked about brand. Newman was pretty honest. He was like we're trying to diversify. There's guys that I could have hired that. I think are more talented hired brandon because he's black, but they also don't sell they don't go. Look at who we hired. We'll get this great hire. We whereas MSNBC CELEBRATES. The first female black anchor in in nightly news. But then won't admit that it was diversity higher. Tanker this woman tweets out that she couldn't. Even this woman wrote in the by posts. You couldn't even watch brokeback mountain so gross. She's. Again, just a fraud and she's going to get this job. No one's GonNa care and like the saints, Great! You know. Where was where were the MSNBC other anchors with the story broke? Where was maddow whereas Matthews? Where was Hayes? Where was O'Donnell? Why don't they? Why aren't they outraged? Aren't they offended because they're afraid? It's white guilt. That's all it is in this woman is you know obviously homophobic in his? has horrible thoughts in her head filer ever show. She pretends to be the leader so fucked up. It's bizarre. I'm sure if you know Dale Homophobic tweet tour discovered when you were doing the morning. Show on the you have talked about no never. If I had them I'm sure they wouldn't. Like. Really like, and this isn't even like this is like fucked up. She has won wish people to watch documentary that she thinks that the government was responsible for nine eleven. She's freaking crazy. That's the thing it's. Hopes Shit, too. It's not it's like okay. That might have been funny when we were in high school. Also you don't even have to imagine if someone tweeted the opposite of this, imagine if just a white guy tweeted exactly what she said, it's not the opposite stance. It's literally what? I should be fair. It's actually not. Let's just say Kansas Owens had this yeah? Yup Yup Yup did this royal MSNBC, said you WANNA. Give them credit 'cause. We always kill these places they're not. It's not reflective of the colleague and friendly have known them NBC for the past seven years. Joys apologized and says she's grown evolve many years since we know this to be true. You know it's all move on. It's just crazy. Mad Dog was ranting about yesterday was he had an unbelievable? About with you, know the honestly. His monologue before I was even on was much better. So the Sean, Jackson, he says we got calls lined up and so I guess I. got to address. It doesn't get to a call for forty eight minutes. Sean Jackson. He ripped the Sean Jackson. He rips the League rips like the media and he says you know my favorite one was. In a run they've been. People have been discriminated against Jews in SEDONA man. Let me check that since Jesus Christ. Jews goes back a little house in A. Bad. Bad Ben not good thirties or forties rough, and then the first caller said something about like Hugh Laurie statement and how Goodell didn't say anything. I'm sorry, different and the actor. and. My weight. And Mad dog now Laurie is Jewish does not Jewish. Let's remember that. Why don't know? Okay noted. But. I did like hearing mad dog Wayne on social issue. That's why I felt I could go on that show. Are you were molded us? Okay? What was it goes a? Ruin it! We'll we'll. We'll play that. Some people have tomorrow down the line. I'll just say that I I feel public. Apology was needed after yesterday's show so I felt I should do it. Platform good mad dog was into. It well confused maybe a little. What else do you got anything else that tickling? You're nuts. Shannon Sharpe also weighed in on the sean short. Well very well. It's a hill to die on Shannon Sharpe No. Of course for the fucking, skip bayless he's. He's tiptoeing around object like you could just come out and say the dudes, an Anti Semite and ninety nine point nine percent of the people who Farrakhan is. No, he's an anti Semite. Before. Shannon Sharpe said drew. brees should be out of the league. Yes. So. Let's quickly hit on the Farrakhan topic. No matter what you think of Louis Farrakhan Nation of Islam. He has made it pretty clear over the years. He does not like Jewish people. Is that fair to say well not from the conversation that I've had with with with the minister. He said this abundantly. He's made it clear in about to send out sat down with him. He says he doesn't so okay. I got that and I've read that. But the anti defamation. Like. Like. He doesn't want to get into it. He doesn't WanNa have to consciously. He's just acting tough topic to the. It's not that he doesn't. He doesn't want to say that housing. Vomit Sharpton. They're both fucking assholes. That's like a white asshole. You'd be a black person being an asshole. Farrakhan's evil, antisemitic, fucking piece of shit well. Defense, you cannot say that on. Sports Talk. So when you're when you're handcuffed, like that is probably a little difficult. You could say that he's an anti-semitic. Vile person who's influences resulted in evil. He's terrible human being. You know the minister so stupid when an idiot Shannon Sharpe's. She's in league has identified him as antisemitic last night just to refresh my memory on this I went back and read a lot of his quote. They read hateful against Jewish people and I know at first. They are hateful. You supported Obama. Obama did not love it. In sort of right arm sling, hold up. Shannon Sharpe takes US response anger. I didn't expect them to take I will give him. That goes in different that thought he would be good distance. And then once. Obama got elected one of his early decisions. Louis Farrakhan criticized him as the first Jewish President. And then. The Minister? Support is Don. Twenty sixteen saying he was the only candidate. WHO has stood up? To the to the Jewish community. mytalk. Hold on this is not that difficult to Thomas is this is a little? Nuanced Farrakhan's. Not. A good person I'm sure he would be doing this. Though if if drew brees out in support David Duke. It'd be like David Lukas said. The differences. There's a guy sitting across from who is a different skin color. The same fabric that that's just afraid I, don't know why I've never heard somebody. That's the most scared of ever heard anybody segment WORC- that we would. What do we call it when you change your conduct with some other person based on the color of their? Yeah I mean really like. Shannon I. Mean You know I mean? She's Christ gut the to the Jewish community and said I don't want your money. So what would that be considered as? You remember. Rep House Representative Omar. He said it was all about the Benjamins. They jumped all over her president. Trump that exact same thing. You guys won't vote for me because you care about your money and UK control. Say the exact same thing. Nobody said a word okay. I'm not gonna read the more volatile from the mentors yet from Louis Farrakhan about Jewish people, but. Let's just leave it at this. The anti-defamation League look identified him as antisemitic. So can you translate? Chin sharps reaction there. What do you mean? Shannon Sharpe. Response to being told that Farrakhan is a big trump guy I mean translate though how you mean like what does he? What is this argument? Their argument? The argument is he, doesn't he? CAN'T DISCIPLINE ARGUMENT? Farrakhan says moving goalposts okay. Y- I mean. What are you gonNA say Farrakhan has a long history of being anti-semitic I mean I'm always. Read them, but why won't Shannon Sharpe Yeah? You're right the bad do because there's a when they talked. Was a certain part of I of the. Trying the proper phrase fort. There are certain black people who feel like they have to respect Farrakhan it's like the sharper think I don't know why I have no idea why you know it'd be. It'd be much better off. They got rid of these people. The Jesse Jackson's the sharpens the Farrakhan's of people who want controversy want bad things to happen to have no desire for solution because they'd be out of a job. Because if you don't really know what Louis Farrakhan stands for, you think he's some leader of a movement as a religious leader, he's the leader of the nation of Islam right, but he's also hates Jewish people right. That's not even arguable. So Sunday talk about Farrakhan. Call me a hater. Call me an anti Semite. Stop It. I'm an termite. Jesus. I mean it'd be fair. That was that was a while ago. That was like you know four or five years ago. I think true. Yeah! He's changed. People change well. This one is four zero five. This one is five days ago on July. Four people could change in the weekly KFC does. Say That you, Jews. I will not even give you the ANA of calling you A. YOU'RE NOT A. Nice suppose. Your, so-called. You're, Satan. In his my job now. To pull the cover off of safe. So. Slim. When he sees Satan Pick up a stone. Five days ago Farrakhan. Violence against Jews. Is No. There's two kinds of juice short. Eighth two, thousand, eighteen, just speech he gives. White folks going down? Satan's going down in Farrakhan's God's graceful. The cover off that Satanic Ju. I'm here to say your time is up. Your world is through. he says the powerful Jews are my enemy. See here. The Jews have a grip on the media Hollywood, and how the Jews are responsible for all the filth, generous behavior. How is putting out turning men into women in women and women and two men? Farrakhan says avoid and very woke than though it does not Yeah, so when's show on a mother and father of apartheid? The Jews? So there you go. You want something in this world. Ju- holds the door that means okay. WHO WOULD BE GREAT? If MSNBC JUST had a lineup of the most offensive people they could find? They show it would be very funny like that would be some of the funniest trolling. Most offensive people great. Airs offending their right to do it. Farrakhan's, but this idea that he's not so I. Mean like why can't skip bail. Say that part women than men and women how Jews responsible for. In his mind evil that is you know, transitioning and transgender. Ask Shannon Sharpe. Do you avow, do you? Why can't you just? Do it right, correct some push. There's there's another thing fair concept. Five days ago. That I think maybe doctor. FAUCI and the CDC should be alerted to. Oh well okay Florida. I you becoming the epicenter. Of the Karuna virus. I ask God to do that. He did. That I asked him for. A while Florida was white all the way around. Now you deep grid. I asked God for that. Madness SOM. Just want to show you that this mandate is talking to you. Has Powell with God. I'm not fake. I'm the real would be. Her. Guys. Go on these. Why did I ask God to drop that on Friday fair question my question. Because of you Florida. And those that ran out our were run out of Cuba. who were members of the Jewish community? It always comes back to. Florida has stood in the way. Better. On the commandments Jordan. How can why don't you just ask for something that would just. Destroy all the why Karma live against God for the whole thing. Why you? have no right. Yes for disease, maybe kill like four percent of them now Minister Farrakhan. You claim to hate the Satanic Jews however you ask for Corona virus, which has a death rate paltry compared to some of the plagues that. God has previously brought. Amongst Ju- so black people have died Brian Non Jews died. Put some Muslims have casual Muslims casualties of war. He's actually sort of skip bayless of religious leader. He's kind of meandering. Saying go all the way in. Why the strange defense of Fidel Castro deep. Castro's eight fucking liberal hero. Hello, ballplayer grape! These stories of these guys. We want you. Get what you got to know capper Nick. Those Games killed people slaved people the it's. Insanity so you know like, but it's how we not worse like Shannon Shop. Get no trouble I. Mean like you know the Sean Jackson said. Laurie's Jewish guy, maybe just as fucking cares idiots, but they'll be no. Nothing will happen and. He gets in trouble KFC. But but anyone who said the opposite would get in trouble the point I think. There's a Guy Line League they have punishments and players get in trouble for stuff than get in trouble I guess, but I don't care what some idiolect. Sean Jack, Says No. He's a moron or Stephen. Jackson and think that's not. The point is that. We it was the idea that he should apologize is ridiculous that the idea that we need him as a society you you should. You should be promoting people to have their own fucking thoughts rather than looking to what does Shawn. Jackson Daveport or anyone else says about anything I. Don't think Yeah I. Don't think the only people are sorry I think people get caught and then people when they get caught half to apologize. Doesn't mean look do I think day was embarrassed by that and let me talks to Willie's. He feel bad sure yeah, and then he wouldn't do now. Probably Joy Reid. I'm guessing wouldn't have that blog now, but the difference is you know some people do them publicly talk about it and some don't like joy. We will never have discussed again. Here's a show with this past. Presumably the FBI still investigating the time covering hacker like an MSNBC. You'll have shows joy. Rebel handed off to Brian Williams, right? That's what you're dealing with just crazy. Due that move though, and it should be tried by whoever's next on the list where it's like yeah I brewed. Only that was me. Who? Believe I truly believe that I did not call her a bitch. Dave? I mean I'm pretty sure that wasn't me. Video. I could see why you think that I got you, but like now that I recall doing. What they're doing with deep fake technologies as The Irish woman that was I've been Irishman. It. I'm going to say no. Apology from you guys. That was. Left the do I mean it might have been me, but I'm pretty sure I could see why you'd think like I could see you I think it. Every piece of evidence points that it's me was me, but only goes. Think goes meets ridiculous. Too Gangsta, move. This unbelievable. Simply, safe, we love simplisafe head over to simplisafe dot com slash Kirk today, very easy to use while protecting your home, twenty, four seven or online with a click of the button. Cook! The Button Steve would you. Open the box places sensors plug it in in your home is protected a round, the clock, no technician salesperson, ask the common disrupt your house. You'll need to pay me outrageous monthly fee or signed a two year contract, the best overall home security of twenty twenty by us. 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Yes, wow, we meeting with. Matt the owner of the Sako drive in theater. Preliminary walk through just. Walk me through your walk through. What is going on, so I'm going to walk through the area scope out. Visualize where I want any kind of show activities to occur okay and look the the bottleneck. See how I want to set the ticket checking in the beginning where I want, the food trucks the lineup. Who I'm going to scope out the little structure, they have there and see where we want to locate tent in our stage where I'm gonNA. Put some cabling and everything, and then most importantly I'm gonNA, look at the technical systems that they have there to make sure that we have integrates properly with what they have concerns. Actually, the today was a little bit of a dry run. Technically speaking this running a video audio feel about different elements. I think it went pretty well I. Think you should go. You should go back. Go back and watch the The the broadcast I will be okay. Oh look a little bits of it. Wash Watch the last four minutes of it. Okay, not on. That doesn't okay. Good, the only other news thing today is that trump just lost a huge thing in the Supreme Court about his taxes I saw that. Yes, the District Court's going to get their hands on their tax return, but I'm sure those leak to the media. Chance is that book going to be anything that Mary Yeah. It's it's a typical now. It didn't seem like. Going to one of the, Last time any of these books remember Michael. Wolf's fire and fury had all the fake bullshit and the. Woodward book a couple of years ago. Everyone was flipping out about that. Yes, I mean there's there's always some some big book that's going to be huge and just. Trump doesn't think about Bolton's book right SORTA. It's gone gone, disappeared nothing with trump. It doesn't matter like you know it, just it. It really doesn't matter. But but yeah I wasn't gonNA. Say One of the thoughts on the. Yeah, who knows? I can take a few calls and get out of here. Steve exhausted that performance of it understandable. Takes in the major. Blow the trump tweeting. Maybe we'll be a major. But they'll say that with anyone. Financial records are a mess like I. Don't like what are you? Sure I filed for bankruptcy of bunch these within within like a limited liability, so like trump himself has not personally filed for bankruptcy for bankruptcy through You know like a casino, project. Would you be surprised? It was a mess. No, no I I. Think the. Have what's going on is probably he's not as worth as he's not worth as much money. Has He always represented? He is because remember when he during the campaign when he was running and Anthony. Genucel neck came out and said when we did the comedy Central Roast of Donald Trump. Is that everything was in place as far as concerned, but we couldn't hint that he's not worth as much as he's worth Oh right yeah, so. That's the one thing that he's like his. His business has always depended on his brand. His brand is always worth five ten fifteen billion dollars, and it's always been kind of difficult to prove and he himself has even come out and said. You know some days I feel like I'm worth. Eight hundred billions this not that much, but like he's his. He said that his net worth fluctuates based on the value that he gives to his brand which. Is Not the case. Gap Accounting Standards Look like the Hollywood reporter, which is huge left-wing magazine. Just her new role at Joy Henry becomes one of a handful of black women to anchor and American. Evening News program actually that story. I could be wrong with no mentioned this at all. It's just you know it's. It's just weird. She's also. Offer us. She's not an anchor. Them a few times. She's just opinion. It's A. Week I mean I'll thank sloppy journalism, so show his shows. The readout is what it's called. I don't get it UI. Readout? Like there's really no mention of in the story none. None, Just so weird like. migraines. If you really care about these issues, you actually care then you would raise a stink about its apology. Ability that the millennial who wrote that story doesn't even know because they're memories of show so shorts pot, but that's that's not a great defense. When you say! Family right that's probably. True might be true. Current tweet up. Those loaded up. He won't be predict the last in its current format. It's a good question official funeral, of course, but I don't know I have a great answer I. Don't know what I know. If this way, baseball fans are getting canceled. We joke around about. There's so many old advertisers like Mercedes and stuff like that. They're fucked as a major blow. Yeah, even Sixty Games is major. Blow to them because they senate they all their promotion shit was centered around the red. SOx like. Red sox logos. Crazy talk content is is orbiting. The Red Sox based on that memo from Josie I was the red sox sucking the Jerry and we're like, is it? I mean it's an ego. Do I am I I? Know I have an ego, but like it's effect shitting on them and saying they're going to go away. Does it lead in the keep going on? Is like they've. got. You know I would say no, but Josie was calling you this. Nobody has no. You know that he has nothing to do with this. They should goes or not. You'll be happy. He will be a job soon. That would be I. would have to say can't believe he's not unless it's just like he's doing is a good pencil. Pusher had to how big I guess yeah. They will up Steve They are loaded up. We'll take a few. Get outta here emotional day. So we always tired after funeral very much, so. Hurry. This this is where Bradford's. E. Dot com editor in chief. I haven't talked to you in. Maybe a Europe has a friend of mine is well true. It's made me really sad. Okay well W E, you. We're having tough times now, but we'll be back in bed. What's the game plan? What's the roadmap to get there? New midday show is going to have bob low bell and Eric Wedge Spurs by. Distinct to pull. Is Best. Picture. They may have certain appeal to a very targeted fan I suppose. Berle put us in sports legend, Legends Nine Hundred Years Old. Is GonNa. Give crashing so I run for. Any other, any other suggestions or no. Yeah oh I'm going to launch my own show in the afternoon drive time. Just you, it's GonNa be cod. It's going to be called baseball with Bradfo. Skinny be nonstop baseball America's task. I mean I think that may appeal to a small but loyal audience potentially for four hours. Or what are you doing? Winter, the younger Democrat. I'M GONNA ask. My cards son Harry. I don't join in well rob. I don't think that's I, I, can't. I thereafter I? I wish you luck, but I have to basically call. Is there. I have to I can't have Harry work free. I can't put my foot down grooming. Wait on, you know he's in his career. Thing. He's already in the hip podcast once in a while, I ca. I can't have any sense do it, but that's listen. Pull this way I have always said that my. Dream is to have like all athletes host athlete host athlete host athletes so. SCATTERBRAINS available, true, low Bel, Eric. Who would have? Joke. Conceicao show of five days when I don't think they would be so excited like I. Remember Joe was like so I forgive. The athlete was and I was like. He's against a chance. You make it this guy because who gives a fuck. WHOA, why our listeners don't care job. Come into our bond. Come and be like yeah. Know. You guys are the. Thirteen eight last week. You're number one, but she's like. Twelve minutes over the clock on that thing like maybe like Dale does a good job on the clock. Ideal do us go to the five five six. Oh okay! fucking dummy leaves always told me that he would legitimately GEX, not even new joking on the air like people behind the scenes would be like it's weird. I like excited. Joe Gets to talk Christian for you. Oh, my God. Biggest JOCK SNIFF fucking asshole of all time. A giddy schoolgirl again like nothing. Is Krishna item at these guys never Jonah rating in their life on their ever. The audience after Kennedy doesn't care if somebody played sports or not. They don't rule though they don't. They don't want the monster talking in their board. Like say what you forget it pretty quick. This is boring, but the guy played the super bowl or the guy played. You know whatever in the major leaks I. Mean Yeah like if it's Zolak. WHO's they actually like sort of an interesting personality? If it doesn't. That might add something if he's breaking out a game, but doesn't matter. Is this point that he played sports? Long. Not Relevant right all right hello. Good, morning. Ingress my friends in that. Book Absolute. Alone, boys, what's up at doing? I'm good I I wanted to think Steve for being the great defender and friend of the Jews last night. You're welcome Adam Farrakhan. Yes, we are discussed that earlier. Yes, we discussed Minister Farrakhan. Awesome Typical at a at a Shiva how you try to focus on on least one good memory, so I was wondering Kirk? If you could think of what you would point your favorite one memory from your time at A. Good exercise on the said dealing my favorite memory. I would say ones are those dead. Now. Why would that be? Doesn't seem like a happy memory. Tied when Ken later said Okay. You got to be there for that funeral. Yeah did. Been Fun for he went to his dad's funeral I don't get along. Okay. I think those before the program director okay. We got along fine for you like he one of these guys who we got along fine I, just my ass and then. We made a lot of money off the ratings on my show, a program director, and then just you know look in the but yeah Yeah, I would say my number. One was Joe's dad died I was really excited and happy. Remember masturbating, and then when Ken Laird, Dad died I was happy to. So have to be also the good. That's nice to leave with I. Have Been told by people that. Very close to Zarbano that he was like he was always you know. Cool decent guy, and then when he got that job, it was like he became kind of an arrogant. He thought he was something Ryan finally made it. Our Way got the exactly. Get Our program director at an FM station and the city and it's just. At, the top Pentagon those. College. The weird thing is they pointed to of them as an intern sort of in between. It was Ben Kitchen who was in very nice guy. And Joey. And serpine just took the old PD's guys. Offices are wearing a jacket to work every day, and then they eventually go I. Guess you get the job. That's really how it works out moves. I mean he never told us a thing ever like Joe. Zarbano was a guy by the way who sent. A K. Kebob please right missy. I think to a Chicago radio station cruiser. There is on the cover of the Herald. They got some trouble. And like it's amazing what you get the job as PD like then you. You forget same humid's Ajoy region, the same human being, but you remember that stuff all right. We are the men in black. Three of those are my two favorite moments I would say yeah. Yeah, think so I did enjoy when I was in a I was in with Christian are Ken overnights and this was like Nice. Guy Yeah Eleven at night, or whatever maybe even midnight and between breaks. He says to me what the fuck is our Bono texting me like? It was some topic here that. All the time social issues so texting midnight it off I. Never. I never had that problem. He knew better than that because I would just say on the air but I. Oh, even say like ordway if they do that today Glenn Ordway who's been in radio for forty years is been a huge success is having Joe's Alabama telling. Get off stuff like all Dow. I would not I would I would quit. A better men than me. I would quit. The program. Director is just like type of person. You give them a little teeny weeny Feifdom, and they feel like they need to micromanage every single aspect, because somehow like gratifies them makes them feel like men. It's weird because you could see it every everywhere you go in radio. You can see that you know you can point them out but ten. Ten people in rooms and Williams radio program director pick that personnel every single time under five ten like cheesy plaid shirt, or some writing the patterns shirt, the dockers like Mike was saying some ill-fitting dress shoes that are probably three or four years old don't Garrett protect just an eager urge the worst, the worst, the worst people still up Steve Basilica thanks for the call in. The morning good morning. so kirk yesterday. It seemed like you were kind of shitting. spotify a little bit, so I guess I'm I'm wondering What are you used to listen to music like in your car like a an apple music I? I do some I. DO Apple Music I. also loud music on Youtube is that weird or no? Yeah we're. More your battery. Twenty! Okay that's I like batteries. Black Ice Modifies fine, but it's more. This sort of thing with the first episode is on Apple. Your fucking spotify. It's like a whole thing. You know that's all I'm saying is is fine. I use it. Like if you're listening to the album, right like your go-to would be what? How are you listen to music on your phone? spotify pretty, Apple. Is that unusual seven you right, that's. Okay, what do we work for them when you say you spotify? Usual say listen to apple music that feels like a fairly productive consumption. Out every. Bring a bucket. A fucking. Play the album my car. Is that what you want a year? Eight tracks yeah I, mean Jesus. Is is awesome. God well. It's a good a good device. I like spotify. You're shitting on them. Apparently, that was a podcast overcast. That's podcast though from being honest or good, hello. Good morning, guys. How are you I'm a podcast slumped? Hold on like you wouldn't believe I need new podcast. Nothing nothing zero meaning. You've been listening to your owens and you're tired of. The mine. No, no I'm saying. Oh I don't. Listen to the new something new something invigorating something excite edgy like KFC radio will not that edgy. That's good. No and changes called I'm sorry. Now an final break though. Should never. All America was wrong. Day was raised do. Your job to actually. Do a great job, yeah! Kevin was like Oh can cut this. All you. And for any, didn't even what he said KFC did a good job, but he didn't want to do that. He definitely. Minimum you did it. Privately he's told me that. What's going on? Hey. That was a very moving service earlier Al. thank you. For that and and through the tears, that I was going through I was beginning to wonder about the fate of some of the workers at W. E., i. You Know Rich Keefe can go sell insurance or maybe work at Rei or somebody like that, but a guy like Dale. WHO's really not good at anything? Where does a guy like him land at this age and his life? Do you guys many thought? Blow jobs I think. Really I think he's gone the bowdoin police. Guard at Bowdoin College. The idea that he said. I'm going to call vote in August. That is. Tattoo. You're soon wasn't just that he was going to is is that he did? You graduate I'm assuming ten years ago. Yes. Yeah, but my diplomas gonNA I. Don't know how I'll ever find another job now bowdoin is. Dale so the bruins unnecessary he'll do that. Here's a different. Here's a tip like a guy like Dale, who has no pride is like so let's say I fired him. Today comes out. They fire them if they called him the next day and said Hey, can you fill in for Craig Mustard? For Twenty five bucks do weekends. People say say Hayes success in afternoon drive to. What was that? Had Pretty, good success in afternoon drive to. See because of me. Shit head my left, and you crumbled in tumbled in While the you were there. They were from afternoon drive. Yeah! I, I, was behind the scenes with that one. anything else calls you got. I was GONNA. Say I. I can't see a little stale and Glendale does have a proclivity for Ray Bork milkshakes, but could they do a show that with KFC and Dale called MILKSHAKES, and we'll get to Sean. Jackson to produce, or here's the only at all right. Thanks, the call here's the only issue of that is and I. Do believe this is. The day was a little too edgy for Kevin. Little to etching for. Maybe Final Bertha. Maybe Dale apologize a little bit, but not as much as Kevin well. Here's the thing though Dale as talented as he is probably get passed in the hiring process because he's like us debts true we have been. Kevin is boy pushes the woke as he's ever been right now. That's true I think we all are? Definitely barstool consume. I want to hear my guys. Every time. Maybe. Go WHO's up next up. He's the least racist ever bet that's right. That's good. So you're saying you're racist before using four years ago, you. Learned. Educated change evolve. Okay, all right. Hey like I love camping. What are you going to do? He's trying was trying their best ally. This crazy world. He's always been good to me, not a big fan of yours. Though I know, he's not I. Don't know why. Mar It's very strange. I was talking on recently. During the subscription. Even kidding. You Really Mike with you. Yeah, he was dead serious. Like no really. Help us all US. Almost angry at the idea I remember I tweeted out a clip Shot. Joe. Of Portnoy saying like he might bring me back to Barstool or something and Kevin Goes. Why are you doing? Yeah So he's not. He's just confused. You'RE GONNA. Bring up with you, are you? Baffled and he's always been very nice to me. I don't think he dislikes you. On offense, yeah, Woohoo, Israel who can imagine why right or the ladies after they see the that funeral. That's true and look a soup that is ranch. Ladies may be many men as well. Short all hot. So low up. They are so low great. Hello Good Morning. Five. Wait, THAT'S YOU YEP! He might have engaged is on nephew the boss of the family? Not the same guy. No No No. Is the only one who can do that, hey. WHAT'S UP I? Got Guys are pretty smart guy so I got A. Joke for you, not even question joke. Sauce? Thirteen Pagans. New in the middle of a desert. In a paddling away ferociously as hard as they can, both sweat and Sanchez, flying everywhere one. Tang books that payment and goes. Where's your paddle and you're paying? Let's say the phrase screening goes sure. Thank you. Very much. Was Funny. Sonic Ha, ha funny. Funny Interesting Yeah Yeah. I mean it. Quick. Sand corrodes the Paddle Steve I. Don't think we need to. What was specifics. Okay Marcos I was trying to think of WHO said. How funny was like? It was like get. You fired funding I. Haven't heard that name in. Going to return, I don't know if the to question. You've been in all active on social media. Not as as he blog out that he's woke. He's done a few re tweets. Couple likes, but he's not. No tweets no original tweets the. First, one's GONNA. Be obliged. Like must be shot back in. Be Sticking instagram. I'm not Oh, maybe okay. Well Load Upright Steve. They are loaded wonderful. Hello. Hello Hello. That was really really really uncomfortable. SILENCE THAT JOKE! I've got a question. What did shows are Bano call for I. Don't know we call them back. We didn't get involved wondering. I'll call again. I'll come from iphone after the show. Maybe we'll respondent we'll see I've been since since I saw that or heard he was calling I was just wondering well. That's his way. I is way of like fucking. Getting back to us, says he's often the show I think. He's giving it to you guys. Yes, but wouldn't you answered? You would have just put it on here. Yeah, I guess but it really. Kinda fucked us. Stop It. But that's. Just the love of creativity there, there's there's nothing there. Is Nothing. The casket tipped over the body spill out. Today like they would never just is not how they do it. They just like today. I'm sure they're talking about the put day on now Steve See with these. What are they? What would they? What is Sean Jackson Probably Cam? So yeah, a lot of Cam Newton stupid fucking NBA. Stocks. That's what was talking about Cam. Newton's shoulder might be heard. Is that true? I've not heard that I. Don't know that. We're giving him we're GONNA FI sense here. Looking at home depot pre roll ad not, but also oddly Zarbano maybe to say like Oh. You won't answer my call, but we can call it. Means okay. Now whatever. All right take a few more calls rather. SURPRISED THEY HAVE ADS kidding. Digitally populated for five cents, a piece of. ello! Hello. Yes Hi, there. I was listening yesterday and you guys Mitch took a area code I scheduling Area Code. I actually win in sketching five that I give me a call. What's what's Erica? Greasier theft three zero. Three, six three. Six. Three Oh, just random, just randomly said I knew what I'm curious about the history of area codes like how was that and don't send me books about? How is the like how that was invented? Because the telephone operating system had to evolve used to be you a dial zero? You'll get the operator and say oh. Hey, sure passing onto Ryan Monahan and they would connect it. Enough eventually, they started having fun and how they? Come up with six one seven five away. I just wonder it was federal. Regulation wants telephones became a big thing who who's in charge of actually picking them district. There's no order to it like six hundred seven is Boston six one eight could be. L. A. or something how they do that, but this is pre cell phones. It was just landlines, so if you were originating from Maine, say it's two Oh seven and help them organized the. Nano Who chose. Federal Government got together chosen numbers. Yes, real I I believe I mean. There's the the communications infrastructure was developed to govern radio and telephone systems Kinda wild. It exists discovery. All this shit exists highways man crazy the. World ends somewhere doing it just keeps going like you think eventually just run our man. Let me tell you I'm saying they've got. They've got little things up in space bouncing signals around. It's fucked up if we're even actually here. Real world if I wake up to arm six years old I wonder that's all bucket thing. Have you ever heard about the voyager man? Outside of the solar system. Would you mean it's approp-. Your knowing evens on is. She's annoying. To take you out of your high. Far Out of been. What's going on Scotch today? It's very rainy rainy, i. then you're fan of the show. I am Phantom shelves. Great. That's wonderful interesting. What are you doing schedule on? I work in finance I. Guess I could say. Yes we we, we live in. A bank teller the lie though. I don't need to give away too much personal information. Okay, good for you. Good talking to you hanging I like I understand privacy, but I also like the idea that some listeners it'd be like. WHO's this fucking finance guy from scratch? Little be no, it's probably he's probably the billionaire oil tycoon. Michael is a bank teller. Eases a bank teller and then cuts away and says Rhino always tells them. Club in New York. Up Steve They are loaded up to funny show it is. Big News in the TV front by the way what's that? Mean quantum leap. Chris of a big new. Endeavour coming out together how another blind Mike! How's that news on the TV front of the television pay? I think it's going to be able to buzz. report will be talking about. Is this this terrible idea and we're going to go through the the series, cheers! Episode by episode pretty much to episodes at a time when all. Odds, they make it through season three now so. No. No, no, we'll make. We'll never never never. Never risk. Or Rebecca. Shot. You. Couldn't do it, yeah. You're. GOING TO BE, I've tried a lot of these, and this is going to be the one that takes off hake. It's an experiment. It's part of capitalism. It's part of media. You try something until you find works. What a what pray tell will be the title that we have we we've. We're not quite sure on the. We haven't hammered down taking suggestions from the vans. Yes, we are. We'll take any suggestion. You want to go where nobody wants to watch your show. What Wha- nobody cares about your? I love as much as anybody. Listen I'm looking to shock I. Like you guys but I don't know if cheers. It's not the it doesn't have that for some reason hasn't carried over like the office of the. West has not so I. Don't know if I will be there as far as but there are some things stick. There are some things. Maybe. I just don't think it's the audience. We're GONNA blue route. We're going to prove that point. By doing? How many episodes shears are there by the here's? Here's the thing. When Thomas Edison was. Something like that yeah! That's fair. Good Steve, when. Thomas Edison was inventing the light bulb. He Failed Ten thousand times when people ask me about it. And he said I didn't find I didn't fail ten thousand times I found ten thousand ways. A lightbulb wouldn't work exactly. Ten thousand wages to. Yours tell me, would you say I'm GonNa say to forty two forty s fair awesome. I'll say. To Sixty. Four good Steve I've never seen an episode of tears. My Life K. surprised. You're not to seventy. Maybe we'll get into it. What did you say the buzz about two hundred, seventy five? There are two hundred seventy five episodes. Really. LOOKED UP! To seventy, five, three double. And the finale is listed things like. Three episodes because there are ninety minutes. Okay. I mean like that's that's how they do. Say there's two seventy. That's. something. That's if you WANNA week. I think we're doing to episodes per. We'll talk well. We'll talk about like the first two episodes. Yeah. That's three years then. That's a good run. Just people very interesting. You know what's funny is. I know you'll make fun of the idea. But Chris came to me with the idea and I have been waiting for an excuse to do so. So yes. And it's a prelude. To an idea, I had many years ago to for a show called the CRANACH's. But Frazier. Oh yeah frequently. Fence unbelievable. Back at the next you're going to bring. More shows that were good, but like if not carried over the next generation. iphone them friends, everyone's. They've been talked to death or waiting for review. Glenn Miller music the thing. About, Seinfeld is, there's actually not that podcast out there like the office. Has the Office Ladies Yeah The Sopranos now is those guys. The West Wing head. Josh Molina on their. He did Western weekly Jesse pretty good show for some reason like. Oh I, guess would be like even with people from will say like Alan. Sep Won't Jason Alexander during that Persona Episode Thing Alan. David, this is could be a couple of writers I. Don't see Larry David doing like no, I don't either. I'm saying like that's could have a couple writers. Sir Giga producer and one of the like Alexander's. He would do it. I think I would imagine. Yeah, he seems haven't done that yet. I'll look I'll look at this this comic citing even see this podcast news. About this George Washington dance announcer, doing a weekly cheers. Son of a bitch I just feel like it was time. Cheers is it's not. It's hard like the Sopranos. In the West like. Like not allow changes on cheers. sounds like you're kind of interested as to how we're GONNA pull this. Oh! I see a little intrigue there. I really am. I think he'll pull it off, yeah. One I'm episode. So This'll be the one that lasts. So let's say they do. They do a two episodes a in episode. They knew cheers episode. That's harder, thirty five give or take episodes would have to be sure obviously, the special ones where you guys have on to Dan say. How many Steve over under episodes this last. US You. Don't be like not I'm going to set the over under at A. Six! ooh, we go! Give you half seeking on. No six six. Six and a half six and a half over I was going say that seventeen and a half. More like more like it. I think I was going to be real. There's no way. There's no way. Just no chance. Online How many how many episodes did the? where are we at with drop the MIC right four or five? No I've been doing that for a few months. I think the Mike Sixteen or so. It's the calm. What about the winds on okay? What about the movie one? Which move you. TV Yeah, TV! Sorry, well, that got you got pushed out of you. SORTA I got pushed out a little bit. It's going to happen this to kristen. Get somebody else. Some coronas excuse fans probably true. Load Up. Yes, there's. Watts big news. When's the first episode next? Recording next Thursday I believe so yes gray Thursday night. On waste time with all. What's up. Paul from the road I'm up in Michigan. By way of Jackson Wyoming. Final Destination Soko Man. You hell heading east. You're in Michigan now, yeah. Yup I'm up on the upper peninsula. Cities to the bar to have a brew there you go, okay. I'm Sheboygan okay sounds. On your way already. I don't think it'll take you can. You can take your time I. Don't think. You two weeks and two days to get there. I'm from Massachusetts. I'm coming home. I'm GONNA family good. We're going to do a week and wells. So it's a whole thing. People. WHO. Post shows. Just, Saturday, calm, but my my brother. Couple of my buddies were up for out for doing it big so. Good good. Make sure to kiss as many people as you. What do you want to do? He against Stephen like don't care if the fans I appreciate you coming out from Jackson Wyoming I, appreciate it as. We live in Jackson Wyoming. I do Jackson Wyoming. So I WANNA. Talk to you. Guys don't do it now, but we gotta get you out to Wyoming I. I have I have run in Jackson Wyoming before just so you know. It's the best is come out of how I'll show. You did talk. About. The case but okay. We'll look forward to and the Michael Give you. A BIG HUG and Michael Kiss every everybody male female on the mouth Schofield, although as we've learned recently not so into kissing guys, which is, we'll get into later, but that's okay. No. Issues I think that that probably changed yesterday morning from nine nine twenty. That's probably true. But I am getting Matt Fuller texting me crazy. Right and Weird Day. Appropriate essentially ignore him, but he's made a little bit. Joe's Bono calling me. So I told you that one, then he got the wrong number today 11:05 Kirk Kirk I. Know You're there I know it's you, ha, ha, ha. And the other Ford from Indiana state number thirty three Kirk minihane. Why? Why. I don't know. Interesting the a think he's. into any. Nice crazy substance, it's just crazy. Just crazy. I love from the. Right and the other call, see the up there. Let's go. Interesting calls to that. I'll I like Mike sitting this close. Actually I know. It I don't I. Don't because I'm close enough to see the disgusted. Ran. It's just the smell the flowers. I normally don't have this like okay. That makes me feel. Oh God. Six three of up. Here's the thing though like older hold on one second I WANNA. Get in the way you're bit there. Like will say mundane. Get together. Well we're. GonNa, find out who really more of a it's like I, never liked the way they handled. Coach's death will whole. That okay. What you don't don't give it all away now. The title for this podcast. What is it going to be I don't know. I, said the address of cheers, eighty four beacon might be a good one, or if you were drinking, could be cheers and beers. Near Guess yes, suppose. Gifts, that's my name. I will say though you should put a lot of thought this because this success is going to hinge on the title right knowing that that Steve good point it. Might you spend a lot of time on? On that show. Yeah, thinking about that. Show the. Be Definitely takes his time to. Help our show. Cheer show with Quantum Chris. Yes, I'M GONNA take a lot. WHO HAVE NO financial value to us? In any way shape or flight disagree? I disagree with that I think it's going to be big. Is there any sponsor interests yet? Some before my. Who? Who exactly who I don't WanNA get into it. He's a final. Y-. Cart before the Horse. Penis hadn't blind fat fuck. No, it doesn't work that well. But it doesn't really make sense to the show, right? That's what I mean Yeah have to think of that well. If you hours on that hello good morning. I. Go death much time. Okay, sure I'm happy to help. It's. Okay. You're calling from. Prison I. I in. The game the backing. Phone in the macro. I'm using my. But I would. Well what would you like me? I'm not sure what I could do, the help I, very important information to tell you. Oh. I Think, important? I have. Got, now I'm not sure. which was her blind something there now? Round the bathtub strange well, thank God. Who Do you think? We should talk blame blinds. She signed yes. Could've been. The Blind Sheikh May. He's dead. As a problem, it's probably not water to mortgage David. Blaine wasn't Epstein. Book Shrew, because it could be anybody. Good Morning Mike Greenberg Hello Mike. I was calling just because you were talking about yesterday your? I wanted to Mike. Vice being the parents this weekend. Oh! Sure thank. You Mike Greenberg joining me here this. Well I talked about my wife Todd as you probably know by and I don't. Know, do we not know this I didn't know that Mike, but go ahead. Oh well the way to impress Albanian parents do the exact opposite of what you do with Kirk, so, drink copiously. Be Drug asshole. This isn't going well now. Also, if the joke would be. Wouldn't it be do exactly what you do with Kirk drink copiously. Wouldn't that be joke? I guess correct. Yes, we've we've properly. Diagnose show went right the promise. You can hear his heartbreak. When like we don't know that. Why are they know that Mike Greenberg? Book isn't this book called like my wife says. Too, much? Jeremy's like! Oh, you didn't know that it doesn't matter if we knew cares. Jokes. Conferences a lot of it is I you gotta be ready to get your balloon deflated. Though you though right, there is still low pasta. We get some repeat callers. We'll take one more original colored day. I'm happy that here. For you hello. It's brandon numerous from the two big podcasts doing. Okay Hello Brandon how? Good to talk friendly. Let's. Not Too much I'm actually. Device trying to earn earn my keep at the company during Cronin uh-huh yeah. I heard about this. Yeah and You know I've found that. One of my talents is actually coming up with podcast titles. Could you some. We actually never work out well, but go ahead. Yes, so I was wondering why I mean I know you guys are busy, but would it be okay if I ran some podcast? I suppose sure yes. Yes, you're. We're not live, right? All right all right? No, it's cool, so some of them are fixing on summer non-fictional. I go ahead so all right so this first one is a Russian time traveller who stuck in twenty twenty merely moments after hearing an inspirational speech in Germany during the nineteen. Okay. What's it called? It's called hearing it too late Earl Robinson. Right. Right number two. Number two. This is about the culture of diversity at the ringer and the way. They're empowering minorities the media okay. This, one's called. We have it talented ethnicities. Okay, it's more serious. Thought was going to be. Can I ask why this had to be Brenton new? Well. Guys notice, but the park has titles. Themselves acronyms about podcast That's why we. Let me go back. Again, The original one about the Russian time traveling. It was called hearing too late, Earl Robinson okay. Cleverness attached to it. Again that's on us on. The second one, the second one about the the ringer and then culture of diversity that would be called. We have it talented ethnicities. Okay I got you okay? All Right? All right walk number three. The best one in my opinion, that's my last one does original This one is about a talented comedian whose career crashes after an alcohol and Food Addiction Okay God. But. He saved when he finds out that a certain bodily fluid will give him the strength to reform and beat his addictions. What's it called? This one's called exceptional in talented cleaning up Mike. Thank you very much. Okay! That was not bad. More. Clever I thought was yeah, it was that was good smarter than the smarter thus well-done. Express VPN by the way if you're smart, US express VPN express VPN dot com slash minihan. Extra three months free of express VPN get a year deal the three three months. Protect your Internet today with VPN. I used to keep my data safe. Express VPN dot com slash minihan expressive VPN dot com slash Manhattan total online protection hundred percent again same as as we said before simplisafe, these are things you don't have to worry about if you do it for A. A small price you get the peace of mind and safety do it express. VPN Dot com slash Monahan expressed VPN dot com slash Monahan. Why begun expressed VPN year? If you're in the fan, you've listened to show do it. We do it. We have it here Steve. As the show I do it Mike Has Express VPN dot com slash Manhattan do that to day. Anything else, boys. don't think so Steve No no nothing to report okay back tomorrow. This was pretty reprehensible I. 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February 12: Nowhere to run to

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February 12: Nowhere to run to

"Hi I'm Rosemarie. Barton Ella mean mood and we are the hosts of party lines launched his podcast to help you make sense of the twenty nine thousand nine federal election. But here's the thing you you liked us. You liked so much that we're coming back. We will drop a new episode every Thursday and we will talk about the biggest political stories of the week. It will be smart art and fun so subscribe to Party Lines and get it wherever you get your podcast from because talking politics should be for every including you and me and all of us this is a CBC podcast. Hello I'm carol off good evening. I'm Chris Bowden and this is as it happens. The podcast addition nowhere to run to thousands are fleeing violence in Syria Italy province but Turkey has closed its border to them and our guest Dr. WHO's trying to help? Says they're living out. In the cold. Malign intervention federal prosecutors wanted to lock Roger Stone Away for years years for the US Justice Department stepped in instead proposing a lighter sentence for the US presidents friend. Our guest says it's Dark Day for Justice Unflinching Ching that's how Christie blackbirds fans and even her detractors are remembering the award. Winning Canadian columnist a colleague and friend reflects on the straight straight shooting honesty of her crime reporting saving paper. When he hears California's oldest weekly newspaper was about to shut down a retired tech workers steps in to restart start the presence at plain old birthday to celebrate turning one hundred? A Calgary woman decided to leap out of an airplane in California and and a new study finds confusing jargon makes people lose interest in science stories and INSCI- altogether as it happens the Wednesday edition radio. That knows it's all too easy to become baffled by Baffle Gab. In the nine years since the Syrian war began the United Nations. Says it's never seen a refugee exodus like this one. Since December more than seven hundred thousand civilians have fled the Syrian regimes offensive in the rebel-held province of it'd Lib with the Turkish border closed and the temperature frigid the. UN is warning that the region is on the brink of a major humanitarian catastrophe. And it has not helped. The Turkish forces in the province are engaged in a fresh offensive against the Syrian army doctor. Muhammed Abrash is a surgeon in City which is surrounded by fighting. He was just in the city yesterday in his returning tomorrow. Today we reached him in Hanley Turkey at the Syrian border. Dr Abrash every time we speak with you. The situation in Italy has been worse and now we're told that it's the most most desperate there that we have seen since the war began. Can you describe what you have seen in Yeah really what as you of. The situation became worse and worse day by day regarding the medical side. Only still we have to hospital inside it lip city not feeling So fear because the regime is became nearby about me suing Akila Todi or thank you to meet her for far from Egypt city and the regime is trying to make some action around the city and people. They don't know what to do where to go with to stay. Because all the people in from moric or other areas as we had falsely displaced also people with cleared was cleared at Emma's. They can't stay where they are. They can't stay home they have to get out. You have to look to leave their homes. The most they can take the volume thing they can't with them and they are facing difficulties in travelling also because they didn't have enough money there is no enough cars and they're all is only one main road. There is too much crowded that is too much rather than the also they have accident at u During this displacement also and there is is very bad the snowing this morning having to also know hating nor Christie no food a lot of these people have not most of them are women and children. So where are they sleeping at night night sleeping under the tent. If they find any building they will stay more than twenty seven hundred people inside Glenn Room actually they are somebody sleeping on somebody still awake till he will finish his leaving the other one. He's leaving really. I have my relatives but then twenty people. They're leaving one house only and they are facing difficulty in taking twilight in the there is no in a relieve. Their situation is very very bad. We're talking now The seven hundred thousand civilians who are distanced these past Two months who have been on the move where are they trying to get to what. Where can they possibly go at this point that safe most of them they are probably took the Turkey border and most of them they are trying to cross the border Turkeys SORTA Jus- they are protecting their border and they are shooting people who's trying to to jump over the wall Turkey has closed its border and is not allowing anymore of the refugees? Yes it's are no more Lord refused g there is some illegal ways they are trying to go through mediators. Somebody's being too much money. Can you describe grab the actual military offensive. That is taking place right now in Lib it is very horrible. I was in Italy and we are. We're heading down the bombing. Host is shaking like Esotique Week. Really we cannot give our bisque medical treatment to the enjoyed cotillion because each time who are feeling that we will be targeted by Jape. What effect on the children? The children they have collegiate Really problems when they are hearing this bombing hitting the sound the urinating on them selves really. And there's the crying under start escaping today are monsters and days stay with them. Help US help us. We we are going to die really something horrible. You cannot imagine the situation for the children. I was reading one particular story about a mother whose Cologne she is with. She has five children. The reporter found her putting mats down on the ground at to sleep for the night that that's the only place she had to go. Are you seeing that where people are as they move. They have no place to go. If you go from Italy to above lower through this road you will see many on the right side. And they've side of the road and but some families the thing and the trees he's under temperature is minus two loss day. The Times we have spoken with you before this. It's the same situation where the international community community is needed. They need someone to come in and try and stop this to have ceasefires to bring peace to end this war each time. No one takes up that challenge or doesn't succeed the United States says it doesn't even want to get involved anymore. What hope do you have that there are any players outside of the region who we're going to try and bring this to an end at least get a ceasefire in the region? So people can can stop being on the move. I Sing United Nations. They don't need any any comments because they know everything they have their reporters Inside Syria and the everything. I think they don't need this war to end. This is our feeling inside Syria. They OUGHTA just Watching film they keeping The Syrians and took you to fight. I think they need to make Turkey to involving this war and then they will start to tell them now. We'll we'll go inside and solve this and they were sorted according to their rules since longtime are telling US solve this problem Lim the problem in the regime. If you stop very everything will be stop. Our nobody is listening to us. See think that the international community has its own interests trusts and they're allowing those interests to to carry on with no concern for the civilians who are caught in between us. Yes concerning ain't got both just at now you're heading back to Egypt city tomorrow. What do you think you're going to encounter there and your and your travels back? Of course we will face some difficulties and I hope I can feel safe because nowadays we lost the future. We are leaving only day by date so tomorrow tomorrow. See what we have been so necessary for you to do that. You have my duties here. I am the Sheeran inside the hospital in if any injured the civilian injured came to the hospital. Nobody can deal with him Dr. I wish you safe travels and I really appreciate speaking with you tonight. Thank you thank you thank you. Dr Muhammad Brush is a surgeon region in City we reached a monroe. Hanley Turkey at the Syrian border and for more on this story go to our website. CBC DOT CA SLASH AI h But at this point it's almost redundant to save Roger. Stone is at the center of controversy. He but he is again last year the former campaign adviser and friend of US president. Donald trump was convicted on charges including lying to Congress and witness tampering. Hampering this week prosecutors recommended he served seven to nine years for those crimes but now four prosecutors have quit the case after the Justice Department stepped in and recommended less time behind bars for Mr Stone. Which has people questioning the Justice Department's independence from the White House? Jennifer Rogers is a former federal a prosecutor a lecturer in law at Columbia University and a C. N. N. legal analyst we reached here near Jackson Wyoming. Ms Rogers wet message. Do you think thinks these four prosecutors are sending by quitting the case. Well I think they're trying to let everybody know that this is a really dangerous thing that's happening at the Department Department of Justice and it's something that they don't WanNa be any part of. Have you seen this happen before. Have you seen where the Justice Department intervenes who've seen in sentencing like this in the past we have never seen this happen before You know policy changes are one thing I mean presidents and attorneys general. Make policy all the time you know you. You change a policy that applies to everybody right. That's what's done. That's normal more mall. That's okay it's the intervention an individual case and in this particular case where the president and then Attorney General Vars intervene the students case when his crime was actually about manipulating the election. I mean it. It's just it's almost so bad that you couldn't even imagine that it could be done And yet here we are and this was. His case was probably the most high profile of the prosecution's institutions that came out of the was known as the Mueller investigation more inquiry where they're the he was investigating Russian interference in two thousand sixteen election. Is that right. Certainly one of them. The other two really highest profile ones Paul Manafort Prosecution and the Michael Flynn Prosecution acution and notably the president has also tried to intervene in both of those cases. Well Michael Flynn hasn't even been sentenced. Yeah and another unsettling thing we've seen is the Department of Justice seemingly change gears with respect to his sentencing too so you know in all of those pieces we've seen for the president trying to influence what's happening and not even yet at the point where he may be pursing them. So you know all of these big prosecutions Houston coming out of the investigation have been the subject of of presidential interference like the Justice Department. Says they did not discuss this with anyone at the White House before the decision was made to to demand a different sentence or two to submit a different sentencing request. So what's the evidence that that that Donald Trump actually did. We know he tweeted about it. But what's the evidence that it actually that led to this change. Well if I were doing this case right if I were the prosecuting this case but I would tell the jury is look at the timing you have a set of career. Prosecutors unquestionably made their sentencing recommendations in consultation station with their supervisors that brief goes in President tweets and immediately less than a day later the Department of Justice is shifting gears and saying okay. Okay wait now that we think that that's That's too high. We're gonNA recommend something else. I mean that's series of events screams out for the conclusion that it was the the president's tweets that caused them to change gears there. And what did he. What was the initial tweet? Did you think well he tweeted one. You know just those two unfair seven ten years. How outrageous and then? I don't know if that the same tweet or later tweet starts talking about other people who should be prosecuted instead. Frankly elite having absolutely nothing to do with that case or any pending criminal case is possible that it is justified to describe this sentence for or the this recommended commended sentence of seven to nine years for Roger Stone that it is unfair that he's an older these older person he hasn't got he's lacks a criminal history he has health issues. Isn't it a rather harsh sentence it could be. I think reasonable minds could different weather. Theses the right sentence or not sentencing guidelines are of course designed to make it fairer right so that you don't have sentences that are based on things like racing and things that are improper But their advisory just do the judges can take into account individual circumstances stances And so it may be that the judge finds it too harsh and listen. It's the process of the Department of Justice was that they looked at this. They saw aww the guidelines range sentences seven to nine years was too harsh and they all decided together including the pre career prosecutors to recommend the judge go below. ooh That then that would be okay. That's the normal process. That's how it works. Department rarely recommends below guidelines sentences for defendants. Who Don't cooperate abrasive? That would have been unusual but if the process were proper it would be okay. Yes maybe it's just that that's not what happened. Hear what everyone's concerned about is that that was not the judgment of the prosecutors who did the case and their immediate supervisors and so that's where things have broken down here Donald Trump tweeted today. Congratulations to attorney. General Bill Bar for taking charge of a case that was totally out of control and perhaps should not have been brought. What evidence now clearly shows that the more muller scam was improperly brought tainted? Even Bob Muller lied to Congress. What does that suggest to you stuart? The president might be going next well. None of those things is true. The Muller Investigation was properly predicated. He didn't lie to Congress. The concern about the president starting to spread lies around the Muller investigation and congratulating trae General Bar on interfering with individual. WHOA Keith is is that he's going to go further with that? You know the next thing might be that. He's actually ordering the prosecution of people who have not committed. Did it crime. But who are his political enemy. I mean if bill are to open an investigation into Bob Mueller or anyone associated with his investigation. Then that would make our system is completely broken even more so than it seems to be on a day like today after what happened. Yesterday you can't have a department department of Justice going after political enemies for made up crisis. That is something that happens in other places not here at least not historically. That's what the and and a lot of my former colleagues are concerned about. Today we will leave it there Ms Rodgers. I appreciate speaking with you. Thank you thank you so much. That was former federal prosecutor. Jennifer Rogers we reached here near Jackson Wyoming. Ooh Ooh I got my cans on the pod is up. And I think the multi band compressors really regulating my vocal frequencies. When I speak into the old candy stick here? oops my lapsed into jargon those are those are all technical radio terms except for candy stick which means microphone which I just made up it. It probably sounded like Gibberish to you. And that is the problem with jargon it sounds and reads like nonsense and scientists may be the worst offenders. According into a new study. Scientific jargon isn't just confusing. It's hurting our understanding science. Hillary Shulman is an assistant professor of communication at Ohio State University sitting and the lead author of the study we reached her in Columbus Ohio physician. List your reaction when you see a scientific paper that has a lot of jargon in it and my reaction in some ways is of course it does but then in other ways I think my oral. I'm not really responding ending to the jargon. It's just kind of an automatic. I'm either into the paper or it's not for me and so I just don't read the article so now you decided to study Eddie. How people react to articles that do have a lot of inside language in them? And so what did you want to discover. Will I think my whole program of research is really interested in how we could get people to engage with complex topics and as somebody who studies communication particularly interested in what we can do you from a communication perspective to bring people into you know topics environments or contexts where they might not normally be predisposed to engage age with okay so you decided to test that and see how people reacted some things. You could be are predictable but others are kinda surprising in your study. Yeah Yeah I think so. When we showed people in this particular study we showed people a short like four sentence paragraph about self driving cars three three d bio printing and robotic surgeons and? We basically thought that people would read these articles. Some had jargon in it some didn't and would kind of respond to the jargon with a little bit more uncertainty and a little less clarity about the topics. What we found was that when people were exposed to the jargon jargon not only did they respond poorly to the topics but they reported that they weren't interested in science in general and didn't feel particularly confident about their abilities to understand science in general so I was a little surprised by that acidy blamed themselves to some extent in some ways will and I think blames Ames a little strong in some ways? They kind of explained their lack of knowledge about the material is like Oh. This isn't my thing. Can you give us some examples of the sentences. You gave people sure so like in the self-driving cars that's a colloquial way of labelling this new and technology but autonomous vehicles is actually something you see quite a bit in how popular press articles. Talk about it so we pulled that from wired. Same with vigilant Stegmann who which I think means making it hard to see Mersal. Big of the Lake Anna Lapresse Scott Dick Surgery. If I'm pronouncing that correctly we actually pulled that term from an article about robotic surgery on AARP AARP DOT COM which is the American Association of Retired Persons So you know these. These words are everywhere. Is One sentence your study. This system works because of a integrations who motion scaling and tremor reduction And so what do you know what that means. Well I do because I wrote the sentence that made it easier but it just basically means computer programming to make things more steady. Okay so you actually you. You had this the jargon versions of it and then you had the plain spoken English versions and so people read both did they have. How did they feel when they read the article or the information that that had the the plain spoken English in it see? That's the thing that was so exciting. You'd expect people to suggest respond to the subject. Matter in ways that reflected they understood you know the material but actually because of the ease with which they they process to the information. They had an easy time reading the articles. They were actually like yeah well. I enjoyed reading about this. Because I'm a science person now. If you have this this is this idea that you don't belong here is not. This is not for you when you're reading that's what you people said but isn't also the purpose purpose of this language is it. It is kind of secret handshake. It is within a profession and understanding that this is for you and we're talking to each other. I mean isn't America isn't a role for that within a profession or field of study. Oh one hundred percent right. And I don't mean to advocate against jargon. I think there's a precision and inefficiency with these terms that people in the know understand but when you're engaging with subjects like maybe politics or health or technology you do need the public to understand or buy into some of these innovations and when you kind of automatically adequately or when scientists automatically used these terms. They may be alienating their audience more than they realized. So this is more of a little A best practice for public the communication is there any particular word or phrase that really gets you out and comes to jogging. Yes and from this whole experience I could say easily that it is the word jargon. I think I honestly drives me crazy. Because you say jargon to some people and they roll older eisner like it's the worse. And then you say jargon to other people and it's like indefensible jargon you know we don't WanNa dumbed down science this is important this this is precise and so I've noticed that that ended up itself seems like a very heavy term. They've talked about this research. We'll put this challenge Out To our listeners and they I'm sure they'll have ask them if they have if there's dragging bothers them or the whole idea of of demonizing jargon is the problem. The boy can't wait. Okay thank you thank you so much. Take Care Hillary. Shulman is an assistant professor of communication at Ohio State State University and we reached her in Columbus. You can find more about that on our webpage at CBC DOT CA slash Ai H.. And we do want to hear about your jargon grievances Sousse you can reach us through twitter or facebook at CBC as it happens our talk back line is four one six two zero five five six eight seven and our email is a I h at CBC ABC DOT CA And I'm trying to winter. I'm Thomas Leblanc. Welcome to chosen family every second week we talk about arts. It's such an identity with a special guests usually queer but not always. I completely struggled coming out to my parents. As a comedian being in the entertainment industry for for Middle Eastern people is unheard of affecting change requires people to shake it up. Listened to chosen family. Wherever you get your podcasts what sign are you by La? I'm an area. Of course I love it. They didn't even have to say anything they just stood there and people laughed at them. And when rebel Wilson and James Corden wearing cat costumes finally did speak at Sunday's Oscar ceremony. Everyone laughed at someone else. The people who made the cats in the movie cats look too little or too much like cats as costs members of the motion picture cats. Nobody nobody more than US understand the importance of goods visual effects. And that was the whole joke that the visual effects in cats were not effective. The day alone wrecked Andrew. Lloyd Webber's Classic Tale of Jellicoe cats having a talent don't show to see which will be chosen to be reborn up in. The heavy side layer admittedly that synopsis. Sounds ridiculous whereas the movie of the musical also looked it's ridiculous ultimately because of Director Tom. Hooper whose vision was so horribly misconceived not because of the people who tried to bring that bizarre vision to life. That's why on Monday Hollywood's Visual Effects Society issued a statement which reads in part last night the producers chose to make visual effects the punch line and suggested that bad via FX were to blame for the poor performance of the movie cats the best visual effects in the world will not compensate for a story told badly sadly excuse me for saying so but meow still it is absolutely fair. The effects artists aren't to blame for the dog's breakfast that he's cats. Now they'll hold a grudge because it's too late to hope for no hard felines If you're familiar with Christy Blackford chances are you had strong feelings about her work over the past five decades. Ms Bradford worked at all of Canada's biggest dailies and she worked covering sports. The courts the war in Afghanistan and domestic politics as well as writing opinion opinion columns. That made her own strong feelings. Clear Kristie Bradford died today of lung cancer. She was sixty eight years old back in two thousand and one she was a guest on our show. You spoke with Mary. Lou Finlay about a wave of layoffs at the National Post where she was working at the time. I think it made other newspapers better. I think it was fun to read lead. You know it was not and irritating and all the things that agreed newspaper should be and I hope that I mean part of me wants to continue and I want to be part of it it but the other part of me is afraid that it won't happen so and then the overwhelming part of me right now is Sorry for my friends but the writing was on the wall surely as soon as Conrad Black lost control of the paper and then finally sold the rest of it. I'm sure it wasn't the new owners. Were going to be focused on on Prophet and cost-cutting sure and I don't the prophets not a dirty word to me I don't I don't think that's a bad thing. I mean these were not decisions. That people like me make writers. No bugger all about money. As you know and can manage their own usually but on the editorial side of the paper we did our job Christie blasts. That's for talking to Mary. Lou Finlay in two thousand one about layoffs at the National Post according to many of the tributes pouring today Ms Bradford shared the qualities she just attributed to that that paper she was quirky and irritating but also supportive and the kind of writer who made other writers better sampas Ano is a court reporter at the Toronto Sun. He worked with Christy blatch for their for more than a decade. We reached him in Toronto. Sam when you hear that little clip with Christy Latchford. What does that tell you about your friend? But she's passionate about journalism country and driven and she was also playing speaking seeking an honest. I think that she understood that. Newspapers had to make profits and in hard times there had to be layoffs. But she was yeah staunch guardian of high quality journalism. It's interesting in the midst of that day. This one little phrase that I wrote down the most of our above all I feel Surrey from my friends is that Christie. That's absolutely Kristie Christie's the staunchest friend you could ever have and as rosy demand really her best friend said you know. She never does anything half way in whatever endeavor she tried. She didn't just stick up for her friends. she's stuck up for strangers people. She didn't even know she would do gestures and even give them money. I mean people would show up at our door needing money and she giving awesome feeling. She'd covered in stories or generosity was bottomless. I mean she gave herself. She gave him money. I'm sure book fifteen days and Afghanistan and gave all the pro season bestseller two soldiers. How would you describe her as a reporter? I mean in the the the commentaries people are calling her and flinching rushing that she was while she was emotional. She was controversial. She was edgy. How would you describe her? She was the James Brown of newspapers. The hardest working man in show business. She's the hardest working woman in journalism. She would get up at three in the morning in minus ten degrees Celsius to line up for a courthouse to be first in line to get the best seat. She would devour banker boxes full documents to get to the bottom of story. She was such a fierce competitor. Whenever you beat her own story should be the first person to complementary banker's boxes of documents? I understand boxes of Kleenex as well. Is that true with that. She that she was always with a box of Phoenix including weapon court. It was one of the people who Andrew the Kleenex. She was so empathetic that when she heard some of this heartbreaking testimony of children like rand will duly being abused. She lied for them. She was there one time. And you know Randall was was was caught. One of the worst child abuse cases in history of murder trial two thousand to Toronto and a teacher was on the stand while the teacher weapon so did Christie and that's the way she was and when she she brought that emotion that passion the honesty to her writing. And that's what people to her so many contradictions. I'm thinking because I remember. I'm remembering that that marine the lawyer wrote of her while lawyers and judges may rail against what Christie botched rights. Here's a secret. They all get nervous this when she walks into court is that true. That's absolutely true. She was given an award for Kind of freedom award last fall and Marie Hennion introduced Christie and she came up and she said I'm often asked. How do you control the Christie for and she said Short answer you don't you can't control what she writes? She's absolutely honest and brutally Franken her column so she she liked that in person. Person does well. Yes you could be like that person as well she was. She was very honest where you stood with Christie and she was also there was a very sensitive side to her her that she really cared for children for especially dogs. There was a colleague of mine in a snowstorm was walking her dog in downtown. Toronto and her face is all covered up because he got down on all fours to rub this old dogs belly and salutes. Brian my colleague she says Christie. It's me and she even know who was but she didn't care she just would reach out to that animal. Rub his belly and put her face into that dog's face because she loves it as you. Well know lots of people disagreed with Christie wrote and Because well she. She didn't pull any punches ditches her opinions. It's she said. In one one example she said of indigenous culture that smudging drumming in the leg do not a nation make and there are a lot of even even comments today from indigenous community. It's being angry with her. Wh how does she feel about that. those were honestly held views news. I don't know if she would take it back. Were I mean. I don't know what to say about that. I guess that just at the point is is that she would want these questions asked. I was thinking earlier about difficult questions and she was fearless in that way there was no topic that was taboo to her. And there'd be no top. She would not want anyone to have a taboo topic topic talking about her right now. Would they know she wouldn't like. Oh my God how did she feel when she was actually stopped from speaking in one in Universe University of Waterloo and. They said that she was a racist. How did she respond to that? She was very upset with that thought. That was infringement on freedom of expression especially in institutions of higher learning when you're trying courage people to Challenged issues and challenge views that you would actually prohibit someone from speaking and that was her view. Ah exactly how do you think she would like to be remembered if she were writing the story of herself right now. I think she'd want people to remember her work work. She took her work extremely seriously but not herself extremely seriously. She's very playful person. Humble none of her fame name. None of her success went to her head. She was a homeless person and the willing to challenge views. That's what she wanted people to be to be hard working dedicated journalists and to expect the best from the media. Sam I'm sorry for the last of your friend I'm very. I'm very sad band today. Thank you I appreciate you sharing your time with us about we. Welcome Santana was longtime friend and colleague of Christie Bradford's we reached him in Toronto. Ms Bradford died earlier today. She was sixty eight years old In her unpublished book. The Lost Boys Irish journalist. Lear McKee the rights. When you lost someone in the troubles you had a story you could tell? There was a beginning a middle and an end he lived. She died because he was Catholic. Protestant oddest isn't in the IRA in the police in loyalist gang and we miss her everyday beginning. Middle and MS McKee's own life came to a tragic end last year. She was gunned down in April during rioting in Londonderry also known as dairy the new. IRA claimed responsibility for her death. And now oh police. In Belfast have charged one man with murder after they arrested for yesterday. There are McKee had distinguish yourself as an eminent investigative reporter she'd made Forbes Forbes Magazine's thirty under thirty in media list and had signed two book deal shortly after she was killed. Her colleague and friend Matt Hughes spoke with as it happens. Here's some some of what he told Carol what made Lira remarkable was her tenacity. She was cocky talkie enough to thank for. She could solve cases had gone colds before she was born and she also covered the northern the Irish conflict and reprecussions in a wave. I don't think anyone else could do an an an certainly in the wave. Anyone else has one of the best pieces she ever row was far mosaic on it was called the suicide of the ceasefire babies on it was about why are men in Northern Ireland Kellen themselves after the peace process. She was able to tell. Stories of of mental illness. Infraction Societies. What was she like the person she was one of the best nights I I met her when I was twenty three? I've been doing journalism for a year. And she had already accomplished these amazing bylines and profiles and features on I kind of slow ha as almost like a rockstar. And I looked up to and she was a mentor and I kind of felt like I was a little kid. Learn to play play. Guitar from Mick Jagger Shy. That's so as a freshman year. She thoughts look upon me as almost like a younger brother. She counseled me Fru heartbreak. She she helped me with my career When I got married last year I insisted that she was one of my grooms most people and she held my hand of the morning? She'd had a whisky of commoners. She tied my tie. You know she. She was just this bright bright personality from our archives that was journalist Matt Hughes speaking with Carol last April about his late colleague and friend Lira. Mckee police in Belfast of charged a fifty two year old man with her murder after making four arrests yesterday. ooh The Mountain Messenger is California's oldest weekly newspaper. It was founded in eighteen in fifty three in the now tiny community of Downey Ville and over the past one hundred sixty seven years. It's told local stories of gold miners. Wildfires power outages. There's an economic booms and bust but that historic institution was set to become history. This year the newspaper was ready to close. Its doors and stop the presses. Carl Butts decided. He wouldn't let that happen last month. The seventy one year old retired software consultant became the new owner of the Mountain Messenger and ever since he's been settling settling into a new career as a journalist and learning on the job about how to put out a paper each week we reached Carl Butts Down Ville California Carl all. I know that tomorrow is your day and you are very busy and untie. Take deadlines but Thank you for agreeing to speak with us. Well well you know I I feel honored to be on as it happens. So how. How are you settling into your new job is the owner? And the editor. Also of the Mountain Messenger injure. Well I I sort of lost my personal life in this business i. I'm you know I'm here all day and then I get home late and then I I myself meal and then I get to bed and then I get up and it Being being an editor is quite a chore and You know the fact that I was told it was going to be That was a fool. Even try it you know maybe true but I'm really enjoying it. I'm having a lot of fun. Is this how you expecting to spend your seventy seventies. No this was not on the agenda put it. I mean you're not even you won't even in journalism what what has inspired you to become the owner and operator of a newspaper newspaper. I've been helping out here at the paper for you. Know on and off for several years and you know when I was a kid I I thought maybe I'd be a sports writer. You know I I like to write and I just hated to see the paper. Go Away. It you know is something. I've always enjoyed mostly because of the history we'd get printed in the paper. We've got a long history here and I hope to be able to expand that as we go down the road you know but We've lost lost a bank here in town. We don't have a gas station that operating anymore. you know and and the paper really does serve a community function. I mean you know. It's something that communities need if you hadn't done this if you hadn't bought the paper for some what what. How much money did you pay for right? Very little four figures right low four figures. I made sure that they weren't in debt. You know they got out of debt and And that was all they really needed. I mean don done been doing this for thirty years and and and do it every week. You know it's hard I. They don muscle the menu about it from He. What did he say to you when you when you told him that you were GonNa buy this paper from him and keep it running? told me that I was a crazy. Fool uh-huh I should. I should never even consider it but The quote is he called you. A romantic idealist in a nutcase. That's that's right he did. That's what that's what he said and and I told him that That was not news. News I've been called before one of the things you wrote which is really lovely an interesting you said that the horrible thought of this venerable institution folding up up and vanishing after one hundred and sixty six years of continuous operation. There's simply more than I could bear. Yeah I had this vision to me taking GonNa Train and Cross You know or China you know going through Kirghistan and and and and saying this is wrong. I'm the wrong place you know. I mean it'd be nice for me but it just it just wouldn't have felt right you know we've been violation of my own principle. Somehow so the Mountain Messenger will live on big thanks to you. Well let's hope so I'm GonNa you know we're going to try and change the business model a little bit. Make it a nonprofit and also try to spread without the burden so it's not just a single person responsible and I've been able to already assembled a team from locals here and the publicity got some mm guy from Silicon Valley is coming up and we are going to actually have a website soon. I think But the papers You know the paper issue is what I really care about. Most you know I I I was typing up the old one hundred years ago and fifty years ago column and it just it was just wonderful to read this history. I mean you know it's like a diary Of of what life was like most of the a lot of your papers. They're just filled with items of interest. You know so and so came to town now. Somebody's left town. But everybody's name got an a paper died. Someone exactly you know there was a fire. Somebody fell off the cliff. Whatever you know just a lot of really mundane stuff? I understand. Mark Twain once wrote for the Mountain Messenger briefly when he was on the Lam from a libel case over in Virginia City. Yeah anything inspiring there. No terrible you know from what I from what I understand. It was just really really run of the mill journalism. No great stories but he did right here and Went on from. I'm here to An illustrious career when did the other legends is that you apparently got inspired to take over this paper after watching citizen Kane. Well well you know I did. That was part of my. How I got to? This point was seeing seeing that line. You know there's a scene where he's told he's GONNA lose a million dollars a year. He says Oh okay well then sixty years. I guess I'll have to stop publishing so highly comparison between you and Charles Foster. I don't have any millions but you know I figured I figured you know how much it's GonNa cost me to go on that trip around the world. Well I can at least contribute that much to this you know and Sorry about that. I got this other phone call reading. That might be your lead story tomorrow. Never can't tell always the answer the phone in the newsroom. I rule there. Are you know the problem is that I don't have a hold button on this damn phone. I gotta find new phones the phone like your softwares the nine hundred ninety s yeah cork expressed copyright nineteen ninety. Five is bothering me. I know you'd have to answer this. I'm GonNa let you go carl all right. Good luck okay. I'll take it. You might see you want to find out who's on should go to the message machine. Hold on a second as you can tell Carl bots very busy meeting a deadline. As the new owner owner and editor of the Mountain Messenger in Downey California which is northeast of Sacramento and Her family tried to talk her out of it but it was her birthday and she was going to do what she wanted. And what Patricia Mackenzie wanted was to celebrate her one hundred year on this earth by hurtling towards it at two hundred kilometers. An hour the Calgary Centenarian celebrated needed her big day by traveling to Sunny California and parachuting out of a plane. Here's Miss Mackenzie on the Calgary eye-opener this morning talking about that experience at what's that I would've jumped on ninetieth except my children didn't think it was a good idea so I put it off to the hundreds never thinking I would beat hundred anyway. Everyone's experience and there's a news thing to be a toll no stranded all now so in that moment when and he jumped out of the plane and you found yourself flying through time and space. What did that feel like it was? It was a bit of a shock up to say I've we knew it was going to do it but it was. It was extraordinary and I didn't really think of anything much did you. Did you keep your eyes. Open open the whole time. I did imagine you wouldn't WanNa miss something like that. There wasn't much to see. When realising thousand feet out that Patricia you have ninety nine other birthdays to compare this to? Where does this compare in terms of your favorite birthdays? Oh this is totally unique. Go for say I I never dreamt a hundred is of course and they made it. They've eh children may clashes envision that Lonzo back kids grandchildren came from various parts of the world to watch it any advice for the other centenarians out there. Listening out advised did do it. Do it just do yet. 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 How to Figure Out What Job to Go With (Hour 2)

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How to Figure Out What Job to Go With (Hour 2)

"Live from the headquarters of Ramsey solutions. Broadcasting from the dollar car rental studio, it's the Dave Ramsey show. For dad is dumb cash is king in eight all mortgage has taken the place of the and w as the status symbol of choice. I'm Dave Ramsey your host. This is your show. Thank you for joining us. Open phones at triple eight eight to five five two two five that's triple eight eight to five five two two five. Thanks for joining us. And for hanging out at the bottom of the hour. With a big announcement Ramsey personality. Ken Coleman, host of the Ken Coleman show on Sirius XM and on as a podcast talking to you about your career talking about strategies that will lead you to the career you love. He's going to be joining us here at the bottom of the hour career questions. You might wanna call in. In in the next few moments and get in the queue get in the line to be able to talk to the guy on careers in America today, Ken Coleman, and he'll help you with this Monique is whether it's to start off this hour in Los Angeles. I'm Nick, how are you? Hi, dave. How are you? Better than I deserve. What's up? Okay. I'm calling because tennis baby step one thousand dollars on just fun, and I'm trying to step into baby step two, but I'm nervous because I'm such a saver. So I've been able to save up about sixty twenty six thousand dollars. How much twenty six thousand twenty six thousand dollars great okay in what just in a savings account? Yes. There's this much savings account. And I have about forty eight thousand Depp. So fourteen comes to my car and about three four comes student it, and I know I have the money to pay off the car, but I just I'm just trying to figure out how to I into. I'm just so nervous about spending any of the money. Just 'cause I wanna use it as a safety net if anything happens, but I do know I need to hear it just Guinness to and just go for it. Are you single? Yes. What do you make a year? One thousand good for you. Well, what do you do for a living council? Okay. Good good. Well, if you keep doing counselor. You know, this what you've been doing? You're gonna keep getting what you've been getting. Agreed. Okay. If you believe that then when you're talking to your one of the people, you're counseling about trying a different behavior pattern different way to solve a problem than they've used before. But it's scary because I've never done it before. How do they get past that how do you help somebody get past that? I just pretty much Worcester Ingle, and I know my angle with to be debt free. So why do you want free because there's a lot of things that I wanna do and I wanna start eventually saving for a house 'cause I'm kidding around that time, and so I can't do that. If I have this car loan just sitting there, and I have this money not really doing anything. And if I pay for my desk, and I have more than fast, and then, you know. Invest more. Just from my retirement and also be able to put some more stash away to get a down payment from houses pay off the house someday. Right. Yes. So can I could I correct you gently and say you're in goals, not debt free. Your goal is to be debt free. So that you're in goal is to build wealth. Yes. So the shortest distance between you and wealth is to be debt free. So that you can use your income to get you a home, and you can use your income to build wealth in your retirement funds. Agreed. Yes. And so what's the shortest distance that free not a two percent savings account with security associated with it? Yes. But there is a bit of a tight rope here. Me we're walking across the swinging bridge over the over the ravine because you're single and you've been broke before. And it scares you. I know the feeling I've been scared to. You know, those swinging bridges, you know, what I'm talking about. Yeah. How it feels like your whole twenty six thousand dollars, and you plunk down on your car and your student loans and a home. My goodness. Takes your breath away. You feel like you're short will be folly nothing underneath me. So is it just pay off my car because I mean, I could pay off the car, but I still I wouldn't have enough to pay off the student loan. So should I just do the fourteen thousand car and then do as much as I can? Let me give two answers answer. Number one is what I would do if I woke up in your shoes, and what we recommend in the total money makeover book is throw the whole twenty six thousand dollars at your debt, which would be pay off the car have a thousand dollars in the account. That's scares you to death. You can't even breathe with me say in it. Right. Okay. Stan. I got you got you back. I catch you when you fall. It's. Okay. So anyway, we're gonna pass out too bad here on the radio. So we're gonna pay off the car, and then we would throw the other twelve thousand dollars at the thirty four thousand dollars student loan having twenty two thousand dollars left. How fast you pay off twenty two. If you're making seventy one. Betty years some change. How about six months? Oh, okay. Yeah. That's two thousand bucks two thousand bucks a month. Does it in a year three thousand bucks a month? Doesn't six months, that's probably where are you probably because you're not doing anything else right now. You're not going out to each not going on vacation because we have a big goal the big be debt free. So that we can buy a house so that we can fund our retirement. So that we can retire with dignity in change your family tree. You got a big goal. That's bigger than eating out or going on vacation right now. Agreed. Agreed. Okay. So that's the answer is what I would do. Now, what are you likely to do because this is freaking you out? I got at least talking to paying off the car today. Extra extra with throw at it. But if you're dying over this, let me tell you what you can do you can leave that other thirteen twelve sitting there. What is it twelve thousand sitting there, and you could pay down on the student loan until it gets to twelve thousand? And then pay it off. Okay. Then you'd be only right now. Pay four hundred paying seven you shouldn't be should be paying all on the car right now because you work working the debt snowball right now. Okay. Smallest debt gets all the attention to. Let's come. But we're gonna go and pay that off. Okay. And then I want you to get this student loan down to twelve thousand. And then I went to that other last twelve thousand out and pay it off. Okay. At least do that one. Yeah. But the best route is what I told you earlier because let me tell you what will happen. If you do what I told you do in the first option it's going to scare the credit of you. And you're gonna be so focused because you wanna get that savings built back up to and it's going to cause you to knock that student loan in the mouth, you get with it. 'cause you're gonna go out and live. I don't like living with no money. I'm getting rid of the student loan because -ffective -ly mathematically what you've done is. You've admitted how broke you are when you pay that down because you feel like you're not broke right now. And you are you have a negative net worth today. So you're broke by definition make good money, and you're smart lady. So it's time to move to the next step. So those are two answers. You can do it either way. You wanna do it? I'm not going to be mad at you. But if you wanted to follow what we teach you would just chunk it down on both and be debt free in about six months and then build your emergency fund backup, you'd be just fine. You're going to be okay. That bridge across the ravine. Lots of people have been across it. It hadn't fallen yet. It's not gonna fall on you. You're gonna make it. Lots of people have trusted that bridge. And it's but it's scary. If you look down, I mean, it's like way down there Tarzan only survive that puppy. So, you know, I mean, you just really it scares a crowd out of you. I get it. But that's how we do. See the thing. He uses us a little bit of anger us a little bit of fear. He's a little bit. I'm disgusted. I make too much money to be this freaking broke sale that anger building up. That's good anger. Good fear. Nurse. Good anger. Good. Fair keeps you from playing in the interstate or trucks driving keeps your touching hot stoves causes you to move fast through your debt. So that you can build the emergency fund. That's good fear positive things causes you to move your. But you got you got this money. You call me back if I can help I got I'm proud of you're gonna do it. This is the Dave Ramsey show. 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And how long did this take you thirty two months and your range of income during that time sixty sixty one we started off now, we're at about one zero five, okay? Excellent. What kind of debt was one hundred fifteen thousand all the my student loan debt to my bachelor's degree. Oh my goodness. Did you have money in savings that you threw at this? We did. Well, we kinda did I'm a classical musician. So I did a gig. And I got paid a decent lump sum of money. Okay. Gotta start it. They got to start with what we had. So that was the log jam. Gotcha. Okay. Because two and a half years to pay off one fifteen on your income was tight and really you've been on beans and rice, and then some they're every bit of it. I'll bet. Wow. Very good. Good for you, guys. How long have you been married six years? Okay. So what happened two and a half years ago fell about? Four years ago. I got in a really terrible car accident, and I actually broke both of my leg. I broke my arm my left arm, and I had several internal injuries that I ended up I was in ICU for about six weeks. And then I ended up being in the hospital for about three months. And so, you know, at that time, we had been married about two years in you know, you say for better for worse. But you don't expect the worst start coming quite so soon, and so we really we really just went through it with that experience. And I've obviously made a tremendous recovery. Thanks to just as doctors, and therapists that I had. And so I was in physical therapy for about a year after that. And we just got serious about we had talked about getting starting to get rid of the student loans. But after that experience and just over everything we over came with that we just decided to do it and knew that we could that big event and that much. Pain brings a lot of clarity on a lot of things. Yes. Yeah. A lot of time on my hands to to think and really valuate what was important in life and prioritize and all of those things. So. Yeah. Incredible. So Jala I saw the wheelchair that you were in for a while on the picture slashing up on YouTube. How long were you in that? So I probably I mean, I was in that for about six months after my accident. Six eight months know, you slowly start to win off and just little by little make progress and. Walking again. Terrible breaks on your legs. Then. Yeah. Broke both femurs and down on my right leg as well. The entire leg. I actually thought they were gonna have to amputate my ankle at first or my foot. But luckily, I still have it still hanging on. If you violence. All right. Wow. That's that's an amazing. I'm sorry. You've been through that. I'm glad the clarity was one of the one of the good things came out of a bad experience. So that kind of woke you up you said, we gotta do this. And then what was the secret to getting out of that? I think discipline was the biggest was the biggest thing I'm pretty disciplined guy. You know at the time that we started this. I just finished my doctoral work while I was also training in running my first marathon. Wow. So once I kind of had that vision of okay, I've got this first thing now, it's just a step by step process of of going after it and staying sticking with don't deviate from the plan is what I what we thought. Enough discipline for both of us. Good. And I personally feel like it was a lot of attitude that was something I also really learned in my accident. And just everything that I went through a lot of you know, kind of exposes all your control issues, we really don't have control over a lot. But I would say to myself some days, you know, the one thing I do have control over my mind, my attitude, and my thoughts and believing that you can do something and some days just not giving up is all that you can do. And that's enough. You know? And so I think that helped us through the long journey paying off the debt to I would add one thing into that. I think that's really terrific, and we both felt that. But if there's anybody out there today, that's listening that feels hopeless. I felt hopeless. I mean, it was such an insurmountable number. I'm thirty five and I remember all through twenty five twenty six twenty seven twenty eight twenty nine I thought, well, there's this. There's no way I went through all the emotions of depression, anxiety, hopelessness down that rabbit hole regarding the debt regarding the debt. I mean, I just thought this is this is going to be absolutely impossible. And it's like you talked about so much when you when you believe you can or you believe you can't you're right. So I didn't believe I could until we started that that log jam. And then I saw like ten percent go off. And I was like, okay good. I think we could do this. Finally, this is how you run a marathon. That's right. You don't spread it. You don't sprint? And you can't see the finish line. When you start. No. It's one mile at a time all the time and your training, even your training classical musician plays into this. Yes. It does disciplined process. That's right. And my career is one that you definitely have to be in it for the long haul. It's not about instant gratification or you don't get to make up notes. Oh, you don't. You can't deviate right? You said you have to work the freaking plan to sit in a practice room for hours and hours and hours to to get it done. You got several several things that allow you to be plotter rather than a sprinter. That's right. Yeah. Good for you, guys. Don, I'm proud of you who is your biggest cheerleaders outside of you too. Probably. Yeah. Yeah. We had so much support through my accident. I mean that was the silver lining is just the awesome support. We had from from my parents, our family, our friends and people that we didn't even know that just heard about accidents. And you just kind of it restores your faith in the goodness in people. People was I mean, I couldn't do anything. She was just you know in the hospital under under these people's care. So people bring us meal him meals that we didn't even ask for. I mean, they just they just did it, so changes your view. You've had a lot of cheerleaders on a lot of things if you have good. That's well you needed them. And now you get to be cheerleaders for others. We live like no one else. Now, you can live in give no one else because you don't have any deaths. How's it feel? It feels amazing. I mean, it's kind of like when I ran the marathon for the first time, I thought I would have all this emotion. Like at the end of it. And I was so spent during the process that the end of it was just kind of like. And that's kind of about a day later before you start discussing in your own mind, if you're ever going to do that again. Yeah. The next month's budget. I think that was when it started to be like oh. What are we going to do this seven hundred dollars idea? I love it. We'll probably make some make some meals for some lady in the hospital. Little pay it forward action. Right. You guys are fun. Your stars. You you've overcome a lot in the past few years. Very well done. Well, we appreciate your work as well. I mean, so many times when I was struggling to get my income up in my career path. I would actually listen to your videos, and I would have them just just playing my mind. Just so that I could keep believing in listen to people like us, we're sending in this very place to to that. They did it all I have to do is keep doing it. All I have to do is keep doing so very good. So you guys very proud of you. Great job. We got a copy of Chris Hogan's everyday millionaires book for you that your next step to be four years before you know, it you'll be there soon. All right. It's joshua. Andrea from Nashville hundred and fifteen thousand dollars paid off in thirty two months making sixty one to one oh five counted down. Let's hear a debt free scream. To where? White ago you to absolutely amazing. Coming up at the bottom of the hour. Ken Coleman Ramsey personality here to answer your career questions questions about the income side of the equation jump in. We're gonna make some phone lines. Available genetic four you darling. This is the Dave Ramsey show. While on your honeymoon you fail for a timeshare pitch on some sorry to say your messed up. I know they were pretty convincing. But an investment in a timeshare is a horrible investment search any auction site for your exact timeshare and see what it selling for. It's listed for a dollar in. No bids. This is not a good investment. Get out now. Call timeshare exit team, it's a really long process, and it does cost money, but it works. Timeshare exit team will get you out. Are you get a full refund? Call eight four four nine nine nine exit. It's free talk or timeshare exit team dot com. Way too, many people. Spend the majority of their life. Working at a job. They. If you hate your job, you're not alone. Seventy percent of people aren't passionate about their work. And they're desperate for something else that gives them some meaning gives them some purpose. Ken Coleman Ramsey personality. And host of the Ken Coleman show on Sirius XM does a podcast everyday answers questions for folks on career decisions finding something that's not. Is a word and it should be a word. It's an emotion. It's it comes out. It's like one of those three size. Goes with an IRO. Not again but day man in. Well, we're excited today to say, the least absolute we're a little fired up project that Ken has been working on with our team were beginning the pre sale today on his new book the proximity principle, and this is absolutely incredible. You know, it's the proven strategy that will lead you to the career you love the proximity. Principle is one of the things you talk about on your show all the time. Isn't it all the time? And basically the thesis of the book is in order to do you wanna do you've got to be around people that are doing it? And in places where it is happening. So the whole book is essentially showing you how the right people, plus the right places equals opportunity because so many people feel like the journey to the work. They love the position they want. They feel like it's unattainable. They feel like they can't get there. And what we have shown them in this book air, there are five people five places and in some practices that when your round the right people and those right places when you are there you're gonna see opportunity come at you like you've never seen it before. You're not gonna get a job in acting when you are doing something. That's not any. Where around people that are acting or in places where acting is occurring. That's right. You know, this comes from my journey. Dave, you, you know, a good bit of my journey. And there was a point where I knew I wanted to be broadcasting. I knew absolutely was what I was created to do. But I was sitting around basically waiting for people to notice me. And as I say on the show, and I say in the book, nobody sitting around thinking about how they can help you out. You've gotta take some ownership, and you've got to be absolutely intentional to put yourself in the right places places that we talk about in the book where you can learn places where you can practice and in places where you get a chance to perform. And when you do that, you are going to see momentum and opportunity come your way where you never saw it before. And when I begin to get intentional by just starting out by meeting the right people in broadcasting and making connections. What I saw happen day was momentum. And now took time this is not a microwave strategy. You know, took me nine years. From the time. I started to the day that you gave me the chance two thousand seventeen to start the show. And that is it's not and it's not even a direct line. No, sir. Not squiggly line clear. Right. You go around the barn. Twice. Click. Your heels shatter and yellow brick road. Everything else. You're gonna have some detours. Yeah. You're gonna run into some ditches. But you gotta be around the right people. That's right. And in the right places, which increases your probability of actually getting to be one of those there it is. So you the old phrase we've all said it or we've heard it said about somebody maybe at a party, maybe you are at a family reunion and somebody was talking about somebody something good happen. And heard somebody say, oh, they were in the right place at the right type as if it were happenstance and look now, I'm not saying that hasn't happened in the history of the world. It does luck happened. But successful men and women that I know the Dave Ramsey show. The world were intentional put themselves in the right place. You started out a local radio here, Nashville, Tennessee, they've heard your story. Our tribe is hurt your store. If you have to hear it. But we watch it when we celebrated the twenty fifth anniversary. And when I look at that. I see proximity blaring off of your story. And I know that successful men and women are intentional to put themselves around the right people. So that they can learn from those people so that they can observe how they have made it what works what doesn't work, and so the the intention -ality of the right people and in the right places that opportunity comes our way. So what I like to say is when I'm in the right place. Dave the right time happens south the other way around if I'm not in the right place. The right time not gonna find me if you wanna be a an NFL football player. They're not gonna find you. If you're in a combine. The cornfield that's gonna find you. You might have to be at the combine. Yes. But you're not going to be in a combat. It's out there cutting corn. That's exactly we can't do it. I mean, if you won't be a farmer that'd be a great place to be. Yeah. That's right. But you know, you become who you hang around with. And that's even true about careers. It's not just an true about your mouth or your books read or your behavior patterns, and those kinds of things it's true about your career. You become even your your voice tone, everything approximates, the people you hang out with people have accents from certain parts of the country. That's exactly right. It's proximity. That's right. So if you wanna be a great surgeon, and you're young your medical school, you better find a way whether it's watching their online. Webinars reading the surgeons books it always have to sit across the table from Dave I learned my interviewing skills, which you've been very kind to me and given me opportunity platform, but I watched every Larry King Live show that has ever existed. My wife bought me, the CD says skew the DVD set, and I've watched them all I also went online and watched you know, Bob Costas. Watched of you know, people like David Frost, even the famous Nixon interview, I observed and learn from people that I would never get a chance your proximity by being in proximity to their stories and their processes to their videos. How do we learn? Yeah, we've learned by observing exactly. And so I can serve biographies. It's right to get you in the proximity. I love bog or exactly the proximity of people. The book is the proximity principle it is nineteen dollars. And if you pre-order it because it's on preorder starting today. You get twenty dollars in free bonus items the proximity e book and the discover what you were born to do which is a video lesson from Ken Coleman. Hurry and go ahead of the online store at daveramsey dot com or Ken Coleman dot com or call the Ramsey concierge. Triple eight twenty two peace, and you can pre-order you get all the twenty dollars and free bonus items. Those will all be sent to you now and the book will be sent to you on pub date, which is what may thirteenth may the thirteenth when the actual book. It comes out. All right. And I should know this. But I got a couple of dates in my brain a new there sometime this spring. But I couldn't remember exactly. So there we go may thirteenth is when will actually ship you the book. And so what is that? That's only two months not far here before you note in just a little bit. And so this book is going to be big. It's going to be huge and great cover art. The team did a great job on it. We're just starting to get in the the advanced reader copies for the press and so forth. And they really looked sharp thing looks great. It is a good looking book. And it's you know, this this principle is one of the many things that you teach on the air. But it's it's very central to your personal story. Right. It is. Because here I was thirty two years of age realizing that I didn't want to run for office that I had a call him my life to be in broadcasting, and I didn't have a degree in it. I didn't have a bunch of connections in broadcasting. You may be in the only real broadcaster. I actually knew at the time and. It's intimidating and it was scary. Because understand Stacey. I run in our small business at this time. I've got three little ones under the age of three and it fell almost at times delusional in my Emma have lost my mind is this a selfish ambition and the answer is it wasn't. But that's what fear does. And then I had a lot of pride to didn't wanna ask for help. Didn't wanna tell a lot of my friends. Hey, I think I'm supposed to pursue this as I was worried what they might say. Komen your nuts. You don't have a broadcasting degree. You've never done any broken. What do you think so fear and pride really helped me back day for about two years? I just kind of sat around and just kind of what's hoping I'd take a chance here. And there I'd get rejected, and I would shrink back and finally learned how to turn rejection into redirection keep walking forward and again this proximity principle. Dave the reason I wrote this book is because this was the key for me. And it's the key for every successful, man. Or woman at some point. You've got to put yourself round the right people in the right places in the place. You want to be the industry. The proximity of the people that are doing what you wanna be what you want to the proximity principles. The book comes out may thirteenth those on pre sale today at the Cannes at Ken Coleman dot com. Daveramsey dot com and a triple eight twenty two back where your questions about careers right here on the Dave Ramsey show. And. Ken Coleman Ramsey personality joins me this half hour to answer your questions about career and make a big announcement. The new book the proximity principle goes on sale today. The proven strategy that will lead lead to the career. You love the proven strategy that believed to the career you love the proximity. Principle goes on sale today. It's nineteen ninety nine and you get twenty dollars bonus items, which includes the proximity principle e book and to discover what you were born to do video. Listen from Ken that you'll receive today the book will be shipped on pub date, which is March third or may thirteenth may thirteenth. Just about launched two months. Earlier everybody free everybody in the everybody just got a real stomach ache over in publishing, but Dave almost dead that ill most trigger. We don't have them. So we couldn't ship them that fast anyway, but anyway may thirteenth when we'll have been be shipping them out to you guys. All right. Let's go to Katie and traverse city, Katie your question. Ken coleman. Hi, can Dave. I had a question regarding my full time job in my part time job, the part time job is where I wanna be. It's my crew choice. And after a year they're going to put me on fulltime and send me through my associates. But my question is do I stay in the full-time job that has the benefit until the other job puts me on fulltime or do. I find two part time jobs will I gotta tell you. That's a great situation. Congratulations to heavy offer basically standing in. They're gonna put you through your associates of. I would stay right where you're at. Because is there a time where they've said to you this exact date, and we're gonna move you from part-time to full-time. I know they didn't give me a day. It's kinda whenever the next associates like I'm going to paramedics is what they're gonna throw me through. So it's just when the next class opens up. They're gonna put me through my associates and put me on the part time could not keep your fulltime job until that one became fulltime. Well, I mean, I'm a single moms on kind of trying to make it work with the two jobs. I didn't know if knocking myself to a different part time job would be fettered Thomas my kid, or what would be better financial. I mean, I'm in baby step three piece on trying to figure that out too. I don't see the benefit of basically taking your full time job. And then replacing that same amount of time with a another part time job. And then the part time job that's going to turn into the dream job. You think it's less transition for you right now, you've got the benefits. I would stay put because it seems like that class opens they tell you you put in your resignation you walk right into this. How how long is the the clash going to be? It been hit. So it'll be two years of fulltime schooling. Okay. All right. And you'd be working part time. So you would wanna reduce your fulltime job down to a half. And then you'd have to have instead of one and a half. Right. And that would give you that would how much of a pay cut would that involve? Well, the full-time job. I have right now is thirteen an hour benefits. The part time job is fifteen sixty hour. And that's only hundred thirty hours a month. So I mean, it would cut me down like three or four hundred dollars a month, which is a lot. But the question is if you can do your budget, and you want the time with your kids, then you can do that and still go to still pursue the long term career. Right. But if you need to keep it in, you know, hold your nose for two years and push away on through this in order to pay your bills, then you'd have to do that. Like if your health insurance went through the roof, you don't have your kids without health insurance. She just got a measure those benefits in that cost the cutdown of what you're doing. But I can't write the great news is the long-term play the long term plays beautiful. Absolutely. They're going to pay her and provide for this. Oh sheets and she steps right into the dream job. So you know, it's one of those short term sacrifices. You know, a said before you're gonna have to give up something in order to move up. You just are. And when you decide is it worth giving it up, so it's temporary. But I had to give up my Saturdays. Dave to start radio. Just did I didn't like it at three kids. You don't spend four hours on a Saturday to start radio. But that was something I had to give up to move up. And there's gonna come a time where you have to decide is this sacrifice. This temporary sacrifice. Is it worth the long term reward? Jonathan is in Kansas City. Hey Jonathan your question for Ken Coleman. Yeah. I have a question about I'm currently Filc employed, and I'd like to out west to mount to Wyoming or Utah and just kinda have to how to look for Joe. I don't really wanna take a pay cut and go down there. But how to look for jobs and to connect with people in area. I like my job. What I do. I just wanna do it in a different spot. Move your business. Well, I'd I'd always kind of that. If I did it I would just work for someone out there. I mean, my business. I would say I'm more owned my job as opposed to have a business. We have a small construction company and cabinet shop. And so I didn't assume I would try to restart that somewhere else where I didn't know anybody or have a client base. So what's if you don't know anybody or have a client base, what's taking you to Wyoming and Utah the mountains the call. Exactly what I was like the wild. Okay. Well, here's a fake this feels impossible. This feels like I don't know anybody there. So therefore, I don't know how in the world I'm going to get hired, and this is going to take a little extra research, and some dedicated hustle, which might involve you going out there in the form of research and finding the locale have you picked a zip code if you will as where you would like to live whether it be Wyoming Utah. I put you on the spot. Have you thought about wearing Wyoming or wearing Utah? Jackson, Wyoming would be my choice mainly because when I've been out there that when I've checked around and all the research, can that's where there's the most demand for for my kind of skills, and okay, the other issues it's so expensive either. I would have to it would be happy to be something that would pay better than I make now too much butter. I kinda set my goal ties that I wanna double my pay to go. There is that that realistic though, you went out and did some initial research. Did you see what the guys that are in the same trade that you're in? What are they charging for their work in Jackson? Yeah. From from what I could gather. Yeah. I think it's realistic. Okay. It's obviously, you know, more seasonal and things. But sure, here's what you have to you already taken. What I think is the great I by going at least getting lay the land. I think it's another trip maybe two maybe three to get out there and begin to meet those people in those traits and figure out do. You need to work for somebody who's killing it. And maybe they've got the room for you think it's going to be a little unreasonable. You're going to double your pay working for somebody else. So you've got to look at all your options and say, okay, I wanna live in Jackson, Wyoming or somewhere else. And I need to figure out who I need to know in that area in those traits. And so you start making connections to spend vacation time. But you're making the connection saying, hey, I'm coming up here. Do you need somebody like me? This is what I've done. This is what my background is. This is my experience, and you get to show your work, and you essentially build up a pipeline in an opportunity, and then you're gonna have to save for this. If you're willing to make this move, I think you've got a you've got to spend some extra money sacrificing saving for maybe a move like this that allow you three to six months to actually get on the ground and give this thing a shot, but this is good old fashioned connecting with people and the when you do that. And you may have to leave the family behind for a little while these are sacrifices you have to consider it least what do you make a year? Currently about oh, fifty five. And what do you do? And I mean, we we do custom new homes, and and remodels and build kitchens and stuff. So if you took a job with someone else you'd be a super. That's what I would. I would say, and when I talked to people when I was out there. They said part of the reason housing so expensive is hard to get to get help and said good carpenters make can make upwards of one hundred bucks an hour. The other thing is it's so expensive live there that you have to pay good help good money. So because I mean Jackson Hole super expensive Jackson just expensive. But not that bad. So here's the thing. Okay. You saw a yacht. Drive by. Four miles out in the ocean. And you thought I want a yacht, right? If you jump off the dock without a plan on how to get to that yacht. You're an idiot. So one Qin's telling you is build a bridge to the I laid out some kind of step by step process. We're going to take a helicopter over there. We're gonna take a dinghy over there. We're getting a jet ski. We're going to do all of the above something like that. That's what you gotta do. And he's exactly right. The book is the proximity. Fritz boy ships on may thirteenth that goes on sale baby. Congratulations. Komen day freesheet it so Ken Coleman. Check it out at king. Komen dot com or daveramsey dot com, get a copy of it. This is the Dave Ramsey show. James Childs producer today brand show. Once again, you made the Dave Ramsey show. 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Trump team braces donors for potential recession

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22:16 min | 1 year ago

Trump team braces donors for potential recession

"Hello listeners. This politicos nerd cast. I'm scott bland. This week on the nerd cast. The white house is weighing all sorts of different policy proposals cels new cuts. The corporate taxes payroll taxes among other measures to try and cushion the u._s. Economy ahead of their worst fear heading into twenty twenty a recession that could damage trump's reelection hopes plus. We're gonna go inside. President trump's feud with one of his close friends or we should say former closest friends and just how that fits into his administration freewheeling policy-making as always. We're taping this on thursday today. That's august twenty second so it's all up to date as of then so in public. President donald trump and his administration are always talking about how great the economy is. This is one of their big big selling points in general also heading into reelection but but <hes> political white house reporter nancy cooke who's with us this week found out some new information about what his administration is saying about the economy behind the scenes nancy. Thanks for joining us. Thank you for having me so so you had a big story this week that i got behind the scenes with the white house chief of staff mick mulvaney <hes> talking to republican donors and sounding a different note than we're. We're used to hearing about the economy absolutely so <hes> i would just say broadly white house aides are very worried about an economic downturn <hes> and that sort of you know i talked to a bunch of people this week for the story and you know while trump is tweeting out very positive things. I think they are quite stressed out about this. <hes> and the campaign is as well heading into election asian but one thing that i found very telling was the acting chief of staff. Mick mulvaney was in wyoming earlier this week and he was speaking to a group of about fifty very high end donors at a private home in jackson wyoming along with vodka trump injured kushner and he was asked about the economy donors are wealthy people all they want to know what administration people think of the economy and he said something very telling he basically said the economy's doing fine now the fundamentals look good but if there was as a recession it would be moderate and short and that was sort of one of the first indications that the administration is sort of <hes> you know publicly admitting admitting the possibility of a recession and then also trying to couch it as something that wouldn't be that bad i mean there's really you know moderate and short recession sort of an oxymoron see moron you know recession means that you have sort of two quarters of contraction and so you know even that is almost <hes> you know half a year. It's just just wanted that. There's this kind of funny thing among political professionals about not even saying the word recessions like the the r. word right and the so it's it's always interesting to hear you're what happened behind the scenes when when people are going through these talk but meanwhile as you said president trump in public is having none of this right he i mean he just he just tweeted this morning. The economy is doing really well and then putting some pressure on the federal reserve the federal reserve can easily make it record-setting kind of trying to put pressure on one of the levers of the economy here but there was a really interesting line in your story nancy about about some things behind this and there is thinking behind you had a white house adviser saying people don't vote a numbers they vote on whether they feel good and the president understands that he is selling the feeling and it feels like trump is almost trying to what kind of guard against a potential economic downturn by basically sowing sowing the seeds to say that it doesn't count or it's not actually happening exactly i mean i feel like trump at this point views. Is this as a message in war and so it's something where you know despite these emerging data points that show us that there is sort of an economic slowdown happening. There were some volatility volatility in the bond market last week. <hes> you know there were some revisions to the job numbers that showed that the last few months of job growth weren't as good as we originally thought you know. The president is is basically doubling down on this idea that the economy is great because he and his aides really understand that that is his best message heading into twenty twenty and what what they're concerned about is so many suburban voters and voters basically say we know are willing to overlook potentially racist comments or incendiary remarks because the economy is good and that justification for supporting trump really goes away if the economy tanks and they are very very well aware of that and so that's why i think trump is sort of keeping insisting on twitter in his goggles with reporters. <hes> you know sort of the fox news propaganda machine. They are all insisting that everything is great and there's no oh troubled signs on the horizon but what is so interesting to me. Is that white house. Aides behind. The scenes are freaking out a little bit. You know they are thinking about things that they could do. Policy policy levers that they could pull to boost the economy. There was some discussion <hes> last week in the beginning of this week about potentially more tax cuts but the thing is they don't have that many policy lovers left at this point basically what they could do is asa federal reserve to keep cutting interest rates which is why we see trump putting so much much pressure on jay powell the head of the federal reserve but the other thing they could do is end this trade standoff with china which really a lot of business groups think is very self inflicted elected at this point. <hes> and trump doesn't really want to do that but i think that there's more and more pressure from business groups and heading into the g seven this week in france where he's going to be meeting with world leaders and sort of talking about trade and global economics. There's more and more pressure on this idea that he has that. We have to be tough on china in these tariffs because that's really what is causing some of the slowdown in the u._s. and meanwhile as as the administration is thinking through ways maybe a part from rethinking the tariffs graphs to to try and keep the economy moving and trump is is making the argument that everything at least for now is fine. We're also seeing and on the sides heads of all this the administration trump in particular by setting up the beginning of an argument about who he's gonna blame the economy does take a downturn absolutely and i think that that is is part of his idea that that the whole thing on the economy is just winning the messaging were on it forget the actual numbers and so this week we saw him and <hes> former house speaker newt you'd gingrich blamed the media for the potential economic slowdown saying that this was something that the media had <hes> cooked up trump has blamed democrats outs and then trump has this ongoing obsession with the federal reserve board chair a jay powell who was <hes> secretary treasury secretary mnuchin really we pushed trump to pick him and i think trump has very much regretted it <hes> ever since then and he has really tried to make a jay powell escape goat but i was talking to a former senior administration official yesterday who was like. I just don't think that's gonna work. You know does like your mom in wisconsin. Care who jay powell well is if she loses her job. I don't you know so. I think that he's really setting up the fed chair to take the blame. If the economy goes south i'm just not sure that like the federal reserve if and what they do and who runs it resonates with a huge swath of the american public yeah. I think that makes sense one thing i i was having this little glimmer of of a political science class i took in in college many years ago about like how voters <hes> digest information about the economy and i think there was some research at some point about <hes> that it's the the way the economy affects voters is almost less about how how their own pocket books are doing in their perceptions of of how everyone is doing with how their neighbors are doing other town is doing. I wonder how something like that would combine with trump going out and saying actually everything's fine if things started to started to turn down or the administration finding a convenient scapegoat like that and just just how that would affect broader voter attitudes attitudes. I mean we've seen time and time again. The it's really tough to be an incumbent president or even just the incoming president party when the economy is having trouble but <hes> you know obviously obviously weren't a very different <hes> media environment than we've ever been before as well but i think you're right. I think that so much of the economics <hes> is based on people's people's perception and right now. We haven't really seen like a hit. Let's say to consumer spending. We aren't seeing people who are stopping buying cars or houses. You know we haven't seen those slowdowns into the preliminary indicators seeing this but i think that that is why trump is doubling down on this very upbeat happy message about the economy because part of it is like you don't want people to start to get worried and then they don't buy a new refrigerator or you know. They don't take a vacation. <hes> you know or they don't buy an expensive new car. You want people able to keep doing those things and we haven't really seen the slowdown in consumer spending. We've just seen the slowdown. Let's say in businesses that may not want to invest money because they're not sure what's going to happen happened with the trade war on but we haven't seen it on the consumer side and i think that that's what trump is trying to prevent and some of the effect we're seeing is just the the effects of the the a big tax cut the the trump and congressional republicans passed in in twenty seventeen kinda like rolling to an end at this point right that that that was a supposed to be like a big boost for business investment and and things of that nature that maybe kind of ballooned a little bit got through two thousand eighteen twenty nineteen but now we're starting to see just the the air yeah that bill that bill passed in december twenty seventeen so that was a while ago now and you know it's worked its way through the economy and i think that <hes> you know it did really help. Corporations did help wealthy individuals disproportionately but sort of that stimulus that one time economic boost is over now and that's why i think the white house was floating these trial balloons about the tax cuts which honestly are really just sort of talking points to show that they're doing something. There is no way that congress right now how is going to pass and other tax cut tax bills originate in the house. The house is controlled by democrats. Democrats are not going to go along with that that i think that the white house really wanted wanted to show that they were doing something and so there was this talk of a potential payroll tax cut or another corporate tax cut <hes> and that was in the white house wanting to show hey we're. We're looking gain at stuff but meanwhile as i talk to people they're both fearful inside the white house but there's also like no coherent strategy policy wise on actually how to deal with it if there is a a real downturn got it nancy. Thanks so much for coming under cast to talk talk to us about it this week. Yeah thanks for having me and we'll be right back. After a short message check out the nation magazines new podcast next left hosted by national affairs correspondent john nichols from the grassroots to the ballot box. We are witnessing an explosion of progressive. Political energy. New candidates are running for office is high and low and they're winning. These insurgent politicians let us into their lives. Tell us their stories and explain how they plan to change our country for the better. These are people reshaping our politics by bringing bold progressive policies to their cities counties and states and to dc join john nichols every tuesday for a new one on one interview like no other and download the next left podcast cast from the nation magazine or wherever you get your podcasts welcome back listeners next up this week. We've got another political white house reporter daniel lipman who's joining joining us for the first time ever a nerd cast hi daniel hi thanks for having me. Thank you so much for being here daniel. You wrote a piece. They got a ton of attention this week about president trump and one of his closest friends or should i say closes former friends yeah so tom barrack and donald trump have been friends and confidants for more than three decades <hes> they're. They're so close for instance that barrick comforted trump during the funeral of his father fred he was trump's inauguration chairman and that actually gets the root of the rift here so daniel daniel you reported that the this relationship fractured so badly that the two no longer speak so what what happened so they used to speak multiple times a day where trump would call barrick for advice and for council and just to catch up as friends <hes> and what happened was. There's been a series of stories in places like the wall street journal and the new york times about about how barrack is under investigation for the inaugural committee <hes> and there were there were tons of money raised a record one hundred and seven million dollars and so <hes> and and they didn't expect to win and so it's not like they're planning for the you know verification to make sure that there were no foreign dollars spent and it's the type of committee where you know no this type of stuff in a regular campaign. There's a set limit of how much money you can usually donate with inaugural. If i wanted to give a million dollars i could and so people were spending spending tons of money to buy access to trump because they were worried that they could be on the receiving end of a tweet and of trade policy that would go south for their <hes> company or industry and so the inauguration became this huge influence or at least allegedly a huge influence peddling operation and and there's reportedly federal investigation circling around that so the the <hes> usually we think about the southern district of new york as investigating trump world but there is also <hes> the u._s. attorney's office in brooklyn the eastern district of new orthopedic n. y. <hes> and they have been doing the most amount of work <hes> looking at the inauguration whether there were foreigners who were giving money to straw donors in america to pass along to the inauguration and so this could be you know the qataris or the saudis <hes> members of <hes> influence you know who are trying to influence trump and get you know there was also foreign policy to think about and so a barrack has had many ties to middle eastern leaders of the years he's done tons of business and he was also pursuing this nuclear deal where he was trying to get a cut of a the sale of westinghouse which makes nuclear nuclear plants and he was also lobbying the trump administration at the same time the in the early days to tell to give them licenses to saudi arabia so they could share nuclear technology and he wasn't he didn't register under the foreign agents registration act which is the same statute that got michael flynn and paul manafort <hes> and others in trump world <hes> to you know they had to plead guilty to those types of charges. You know it's interesting just thinking through the ramifications of this and as things things are okay like thi trump has has cut off a friend. Why should we care but like we've had so many <hes> administration officials campaign officials come under investigation some of them <hes> <hes> have gone to jail or you know could be sentenced to go to jail in the future and then as you mentioned before baruch is part of this like i don't know what the term is a kitchen cabinet these these friends and and outside world advisers who trump as president has continued to call up as you said in the past sometimes new numerous numerous times in a day to get <hes> feedback and ideas about what what sort of thing could be doing with the vast power of the federal government and and and so the i i i think that that kind of sets up the stakes very clearly then for for when something like this evaporates and someone can get subjected from that orbit also also talked to <hes> one person to the president that said that <hes> barrack used to tell things to trump that he didn't wanna hear and so if you've own a person for thirty years you're more willing to <hes> say what's actually on your mind instead of saying oh mr president. You're doing a great job. Everything's going well. <hes> economy's mm-hmm is booming big. Thanks to your amazing leadership. <hes> and barrack has also <hes> stood out <hes> among trump world people for sometimes criticizing the president in the media media so he told the washington post that trump was better than this when talking about the muslim ban <hes> and also our efforts at the border and barracas lebanese-american. He's american <hes> here's a pretty interesting story of is now a billionaire he doesn't he doesn't have tens of billions of dollars but he and i was checking the the rankings the us at least one billion dollars and the he is a real estate venture capitalist and he i meant trump <hes> when they when he helped sell the plaza hotel in new york to then businessman donald trump <hes> in the eighties <hes> and that it led them to strike this friendship and they're similar ages and so they've gone through divorces and you know the birth of kids together so they've kind of they're kind of tight buddies until recently when <hes> trump wanted to distance himself because of these investigations <hes> you've you've illustrated how close this relationship with barrick wasn't the kind of influence. He's he's brought to bear in the past. He's he's on the outs now and got a lot of people you know various legal troubles that have pursued a lot of people in the administration whether through the muller investigation or or other things who in trump's orbit does he trust fully that he would just never never reject from it for any reason so i think if anyone like jared kushner ivanka trump so the family family he thinks he can only trust his family and that everyone else is just trying to profit off him <hes> or in that those those people are not going to be with him on on his side forever <hes> and so but even he has criticized his own family members in front of them and in front of other people says sometimes. I'm suggesting why don't he ain't in washington such a tough place. Why don't you move back to new york. He told the journal manca a couple of times so <hes> and they haven't everyone expected them and you know at at every school year. People are wondering are they going to come back but they love <hes> being in the mix <hes>. They think that they're doing a good job bob on their issues in terms of other people kellyanne conway seems to be a survivor stephen miller <hes> people who really believe in trump or at least <hes> they <unk> are do everything in their power to stay on his good side and kellyanne. 's case george conway. Your husband has been kind of headache because he's always is criticizing the president. <hes> those people are kind of the people who are going to be left standing. <hes> trump turns on many other people if they remotely motlley start to criticize them like we saw anthony scaramucci recently. You know it's it's. It's interesting that you bring up the trump. Criticizing barrick and others is trying to trying to make a buck walk-off him he thinks people but <hes> as as we've seen in his interactions he's more than happy while these people are close to him while they're his friends to allow them to make a buck off him and that seems to be just a you know he he fuses seems view as part of the friendship and but once it goes by the wayside it becomes a complaint and there's there's a quote from our story. <hes> i think it's from a senior administration official all sane <hes> trump never got any of that money with that barrack was raising the hundred seven million dollars and then we thought about it more <hes> and actually wait trump made more than one and a half million dollars <hes> to the trump hotel that they were spending money on and so if you gave to the inauguration maybe if you <hes> one point five million out of one hundred seven it's all up that's one percent of your money's going to trump and he's profiting he profited off the inauguration and so <hes> we had to kind of add a line after that quote saying well actually he did profit off this. Oh daniel before we let you go. I have to bring this up just because it's such an interesting story from the point of view of audio but you had another story recently about basically the defining imagery the trump presidency and it's it's kim value no he wasn't he wasn't happy with any of the white house with marine one laughing or worrying or whatever you wanna call it in the background and the awful wine and him shouting over eight got never liked bego stephen colbert dubbed chopper talk and we put that in that line of our story he loves loves to mix it up with the media and journalists <hes> before he's about to board marine one <hes> and he will punt on every subject under the sun but it's also also very i talked to a lot of the reporters who cover the white house and it's very hard for them to get substantive questions in and you can't really do a follow up. He just goes to the next person with a helicopter and so he's done around eighty of these in the last two and a half years whereas present is no bama only did three of these and that's according mark knoller who keeps the statistics on this obama. I talked to people around him and he liked to do the formal the formality with with the press conference yeah and trump <hes>. They don't really have daily briefings anymore. They haven't had that in. I think five months under stephanie griffin who there was some talk talk. Maybe they would bring them back but no this is trump's preferred way of kind of shouting the presi loves seen them mix it up and it's the he sometimes can leave them waiting in you know eighty degree heat for half an hour as he finishes his business <hes> to talk to them but you also get access and so that's the case that trump's trump's defenders were making that <hes> he he's done more of these an he talks to the press on a regular basis and so that they can get their take but also so he can talk to people around trump and they said they on certain days they would tell him. Maybe this is not a good day day to engage. We don't wanna give more fuel to a certain story and you would engage in daniel. Thank you so much rejoining us talk star. Thanks for having scott and always a big. Thanks to you our listeners for tuning in this week our producer for this episode jenny almond. Dave shaw is our executive producer. Ariella straighter is bill cookman. If you're listening on apple podcasts please do us a favor and lever review. It helps new listeners find the show. Thanks so much for listening. We'll talk to you again next next week really foolish shed political strategy what they tell journalists fellowship political strategists or economists. I actually feel like that's a. It's a toss up as a tough one to tossup yeah.

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131: Natural Beauty: Wildcrafting, Science-Backed Skincare + Making Your Dreams Reality | Kendra Kolb Butler, Alpyn Beauty

ECO CHIC

42:26 min | 2 months ago

131: Natural Beauty: Wildcrafting, Science-Backed Skincare + Making Your Dreams Reality | Kendra Kolb Butler, Alpyn Beauty

"Everything you do is making an impact in this world. This is not in this issue. This is a quality of life issue. Dare you. And i feel like it's my responsibility as a human being. It's a what the world is at stake. You're listening to ego chic. A podcast about climate sustainability and eco conscious. Lifestyles like it's hard. Hello hello. Welcome back to eco chic. My name is laura diaz and it's so good to have you here. Today we have not had a beauty focused conversation in a minute and this is my favorite general topic especially when it comes to beauty brands. Beauty founders clean beauty science back beauty so excited for today's conversation. Because we are speaking today with kendra cobb butler of al pin beauty in the past two years album has gained serious traction and clean beauty space particularly because it is founded originated in jackson hole wyoming. So in case you need some background. Lemme tell you a little bit about kendra. She is a twenty year. Beauty industry veteran kendra has worked for a ton of a big time. Big name a mainstream beauty and skin care brands in new york city and about five years ago. She treated her manhattan lifestyle for the west. She got up and she and her husband drove west. Who's gonna tell us a little bit about that journey today. And she created alpin beauty for her clients. In jackson hole like i mentioned a kendra has led sales marketing. Pr initiatives at leading luxury a beauty companies from john. She to dr. Dennis gross clarence her proudest achievement to date however is trading that nyc life style of four literally greener pastures. She was looking for clean air and space and peace and quiet and she became just instantly enchanted with the forests of arniko and camomile lavender in sage her backyard. And that's really what became the basis for and beauty. Album beauty is the first sustainably sourced natural skin. Caroline formulated with wild crafted and hand cultivated. Alpine botanical grown in the mountains. Surrounding jackson hole wyoming. We talk a lot about wild crafting and the value of just cultivating. What is immediately you. And she explains why. That is so incredibly potent. Those plants immediately. In the jackson area the high performance products a really inspired by all that is in that alpine glow that magic that comes with living in the mountains and what you see in the meadows and the mountaintops in the forests in the valleys. Where all of these ingredients grow. So like i mentioned at the core of each alpin product. Is this complex. A proprietary brand of wild crafted additives called the plant genius complex there again sustainably sourced in the home of corey album. Beauty plants are genius and wildcard winds which have fought for their survival and flourished and become a stronger. Result are even more potent when it comes to what they are as can care ingredient. I think this is a really cool angle that kendra has found when we talk about plants. That are particularly resilient because of where they're growing so in case you are new here. This show ego chic actually started about two and a half years ago. I was living in flagstaff. Arizona northern arizona area. If you've never been it's about an hour south of the grand canyon. two hours. North of phoenix really high elevation about seven thousand feet and my personal experience with skin. Care was totally derailed. When i moved there. I didn't know what was going on. I previously had pretty oily skin growing up in south florida. And not only was my skin really dry and but i felt like nothing was satisfying. It and i went through a lot of things before. I found a cocktail of skin care ingredients. That really worked for me. And it seems like kendra has shortcut all of those processes that i was having such a problem with. There is a reason that there are animals and plants. I can grow so well. And let's just look at the science of evolution. There's a reason that these species are so resilient and kendra has really been able to tap into that and create an entire brand of super potent products that will give you similar results and similar benefits. So i think that alpin is a really special science backed natural beauty brand because i think the word natural beauty just takes a whole new meaning when you're actually learning and growing when it comes to your understanding of the natural environment so i think it's a really really special brand. I also think it's so incredibly cool vat kendra and all of alpine is based in jackson wyoming. Because i think that there's a lot of value in creating a path for yourself outside of your traditional means stream city dreams that may have once existed. If that's a you and kendra. And i do talk a lot about that decision that trove her to leave new york city to leave her corporate job looking for something else and she has a really inspirational story. A story that quite frankly. I needed to hear and i really wanted to hear and i think that you will find a lot of value in it because it's never gonna feel like the right time from what i understand from what i gather. It's never gonna feel like the right time to quit your job and get up and go and follow your dreams and follow your heart. But you have to do it. And kendra has such a special very thought out way of going about those following. Your dreams conversations. I think that sometimes it depending on who is giving you these pep talks that can feel a little farfetched or unrealistic but kendra really just got up and did it and found her way as she as she did. It and i think there's a lot of value in her advice so i hope that you really enjoyed this conversation. It was one that i so thoroughly enjoyed. Because i really admire kendra. If you haven't picked up on that yet. I really really admire her. I really admire everything. Alpin stands for because. I think that they're doing something so incredibly different. But so valuable so important and really making serious waves in the beauty space. And i also think that there's a lot of value and understanding that different things work for different people. Whether that is from a lifestyle perspective from skin perspective and kendra is really the embodiment of fearing out. What works for you. And i think that there's so many good nuggets of information is episodes. I think you'll really really enjoy it and with that. I encourage you to share this episode with a friend senate in your group chat shared on your instagram story. Tag me. I love to know what kind of episodes you are resonating with. I'm at echo. She podcast on instagram. And all of my other links could be found in the show notes wherever you want to get in touch. I m available. I want to chat with you. I want to know what you wanna hear next. And you can also rate and review on apple podcasts. And you can subscribe to this show wherever you listen to podcasts. Anywhere at all on the internet. So you never miss an episode of eco chic. Also my last housekeeping announcement if you listen to eco chic regularly. I am sure that you also love our call. In episodes are chic shots calling up and the next theme for the call and episodes will be green homes green living. I'm really not sure what this episode will entail. So if you have a specific experience that you'd like to share around perhaps your sustainability journey when it comes to decorum when it comes to the physical structure of your home if you have a really powerful experience with a particular type of natural furniture or something like that again. I don't really know what this episode is going to include. But i feel like it's going to be a really good one. So if you have something about your living space that you would like to share i encourage you to reach out to me on social media or you can also email me my emails always in the show notes and we can get those scheduled ap. Oh and before. I let you go. I actually wanted to recommend to various specific. alpine products. Had the pleasure of trying out a handful of the awesome super potent products. But i have to specifically that. I really really wanted to make sure that i mentioned today. The first is the alpine plant genius. Line filling i bomb. I really like ice cream. I think that ice cream is one of those things that you can see immediate results the next day and i'm extremely sensitive to fragrance around my eyes. Some pretty picky. When it comes to the eye creams. And the i products that i wear in general and what i liked specifically about this i bomb is that it is very different texture from an ice cream it comes in a little hot and it's almost a more creamy consistency and i also feel like it genuinely does plump up my eye area i wake up without those lines under my eyes and i even put it on again in the morning. If i do a toner. Mr something. And i'll put on a little bit more of the ibom before a zoom meeting or something because i feel like a really does pirka my eyes and have never really had this incredible data night experience with an eye product before so i really wanted to make sure i mentioned that and another thing that i love in my skin. Care routine is an overnight mask. I almost prefer. Actually i definitely prefer overnight mask to a moisturizer at the end of my skin. Care routine because i feel like it's just doing a little bit more for me. An alpin has a calming midnight. Mass with melatonin and wild dandy lion which is just as delicious as it sounds. I must admit it. Has this really beautiful at natural fragrance again. no fragrance added. But it just like has this very calming sent about it from whatever the ingredients are in it and it's also a different texture from another overnight mask that i use. I also really liked the glow recipe. Watermelon glow overnight mask but it's completely completely different because that one's more of jelly consistency. And i feel like that is more about delivering nutrients and not that the alpin midnight mask is not deliver nutrients. It just feels more luxurious. It feels like plump and it feels like. I am a really taking care of my skin before bed. It's soaks right end but also leaves us really beautiful glassy glow to my skin. I use it a few nights a week. And i really really enjoy it and i could not recommend this more. I think that if you are someone who does not typically use overnight mask this is a great place to start because it is similar but a little better than a moisturizer so highly. Highly recommend this one as well. And with that. Let's get into it. Let's get into today's episode with kendra cobb butler of alpin beauty truly natural beauty andrew. Thank you so much for being here. Welcome to the show. Thank you for having me. I'm really excited to start this conversation. Because just like we were mentioning. There should definitely be more brands. Like more synergy between science and beauty. And i'm excited to get this conversation rolling. So i'd love to just open up a little bit with your background and how you got here because i think you have such an interesting resume of sorts. How did you get to start alpin beauty. I've been obsessed with beauty from a very young age. You know like like most little girls or boys. It doesn't really matter but you just if you love it. You love it and unit starting with plane in my mother's makeup bag and then mixing colors and you know. I was always just really passionate about putting things on my face and seeing the result then i moved to new york city after college i immediately sought a job in the beauty industry and i worked in the beauty industry in manhattan for twenty years. I loved it. I worked for companies. Like cody in clarens. And she von. She spent some time at dr. Dennis gross skincare and after about two decades of doing that i started to feel like i needed a reset on life I started just feel like a hamster on the wheel every day with the same. I would sit at a desk at eight in the morning. I would leave it at eight o'clock at night. I was just obsessed with work and it was unhealthy. So i need to press the reset button so in twenty fifteen my husband and my best friend and i decided not my husband and my best friend. My husband is my best friend sometimes not this morning now just getting my best friend. Who is my husband. And i decided to just kind of take a break and we packed up the car with everything that we own which was not much. We laughed our corporate jobs. And we just trove west in search of nature and fresh air and beauty and we landed in place. That has all three of those things. Called jackson hole wyoming. So that's yeah. That's where i'm talking to you from today. I love that so much. Because like i was saying i think that especially during the pandemic come to realize that we're paying really high rent to live in urban centers and these deep densely packed city centers. And it really forces you to think about what is valuable to me. What does it mean to connect with nature. How can i really reset myself. And feel as good as i possibly can. So i love that story of just like packing up your car and going west and looking for this piece that you found you know it's like sometimes you just have to listen to your body and your mind and these internal cues and i was driving on what really you know. Put me over the edge. As i was driving home from work one day i was listening to like npr and there was a quote and somebody said you know. Sometimes you have to jump off the cliff and just build your wings on the way down. There's not always certainty. You know but if you believe in yourself and you listen to that inner voice you will land on your feet and it was just something that i needed to do or mother. Nature is healing There's so much healing power in just being outside. They say twenty minutes a day you know can affect your mental and physical wellbeing. You know and it doesn't matter where you live like that could just mean taking a walk around your neighborhood or if you're in a metropolitan area just going to the local park in like sitting on a bench But just like breathing that fresh air and being outside can be very healing so it was the best decision that we've ever made at intended to only come for a month or two and then go back to new york and it's been five and a half years and like i said i'm talking to you from jackson hall so we never laughed We stayed here and you know the company started on a whim. It was not planned in. That's like a whole other story. But i can get into that also But yes sometimes you just have to take the leap build your wings on the way down after. Take that i really. I really really liked that quote. And i want to ask you so you didn't necessarily immediately assume that you're moving back to newark to pick up where you left off in the corporate beauty world and i'd love to hear a little bit about how those beauty experiences those more mainstream beauty brand experiences. You had informed the work that you do now. Because i have to imagine that if you felt the urge to start your own brand you saw something that wasn't in the market yet or you saw that you want to fail so tell me a little bit about how your experiences in beauty before alpin really formed alpin. Well you know they say Necessity is the mother of invention. And i think that was definitely my experience. When i moved to jackson hall from new york. I started to notice changes in my skin when you live in allegation as you have lived in elevation before. It's it's it's much rougher. Climate there is lower oxygen less humidity in most places. You are closer to the sun city. So you know. I was noticing that my skin was just dry and dehydrated. And when i first moved to jackson i opened some beauty stores so i could stay in the industry and i was selling all of these amazing brands and every cream and lotion that my clients would buy is noticing that two or three days later they would come back and return it and say i'm still really dry like this isn't enough for me. Like what else do you have to help me. You know in the store. And i didn't have anything else like i. I had the best skin care lines in the market. Like i was selling the top lines In both the clinical and clean categories. And i remember. I was sitting in my backyard. One day looking at the national forest and the beauty of mother nature and i was worried that i was going to go out of business in the stores because my return rate was so high on the skin care products that i was selling and i'm looking at these plants growing all around me in this beautiful forest and they are vibrant and juicy and healthy and beautiful and i thought to myself. How has mother nature been able to adapt to this extreme climate. That's wreaking havoc on my skin. Like what is growing here. What's indigenous to the land. Like what are these wild plants. How has the earth found a way. You know when i literally like my skin is all like killing off my face. That's how bad it was story. Started to do more research and i discovered the craft of wild crafting otherwise known as four gene. And i soon learned that those ingredients those plans that i was looking at in my backyard. Were skin care. Ingredients that were growing. Naturally things like sage and camomile and arna and bore edge and from my experience in the beauty industry. I recognized these ingredients that have great benefits to the skin and they happen to be growing wild in a place in a community full of women who were suffering with with dry skin. And i thought how can i put these two things together. So wild crafting is the art of sustainably harvesting a plant from its natural growth environment. We let the plant grow as mother nature intended. We do not interfere with its growth patterns. We don't water it. We don't protect it from the sun. We don't protected from animals. We just allow the plant to grow in nature. And if it's done the right way. It is extremely sustainable. Because you never kill the plant. It's like foraging like you just need to take a little piece from the leaf or stem more depending on the nutrient dense section. But we never rip the plant out of the ground. we allow it to continue to grow. I'm similar to the way that the animals florida when they eat like a patch of deer will come through forest and they'll nibble nibble nibble move on. That is the way that we wild craft it was astounding to me that once i started harvesting these plants and putting them in skin-care basis that my clients in the store. I'd give them little trial samples and they would stop me like in the grocery store in my yoga class and on my child's playground saying like what was in that little sample like for the first time i feel relief. I feel like healing hydration. Like what was that and it was ironic that it's just the plants that everybody was stepping over. You know in their morning hikes when they were walking their dog and you know the earth had found a way to solve this problem. You know for us. And i just thought why. Not you know utilize these healing benefits of nature and that is how the line started. I'd never intended to make skin care line. Like i didn't move to jackson hole. And sam gonna start my own company. I just wanted to have my beauty stores. And i wanted people to be happy with the way that their skin looked in foul Just organically you know when in this direction so You know once. I started seeing that the the products were working in the stores. People wanted to buy them. And i didn't really have anything for sale. I was just you know. I had these little sample pots so it really grew out of a need and that was two years ago. So now you know we're nationally distributed and we have these amazing retailers that we work with but it's really just kind of paying attention to two signals and signs from the universe switches. I've done for my whole life. It's an incredible story. Have you always been interested in clean beauty now. I was not so honestly speaking. I was a clinical skin-care devote devotee for my entire life. I didn't really see anything wrong with parabens as preservatives system and retinol and you know things that were manufactured in a lab. The change happened for me when i became pregnant and i was. I was pregnant and breastfeeding. So i have two small children and i remember when i had my first i went to my ob. And i sat down and we were talking about. You know how. I was feeling and what i was eating. And she was asking me what i was putting on my skin and i said retinal of course and she said no. You're not like you can't use you. Can't use retinol right now. i don't want you to use anything with retinol. And she might as well have told me that. I cannot breathe oxygen or walk on my own two feet. I was that horrified. I remember. I almost fell off the table and i walked out of there like shocked like not really knowing what to do. You know next because my skin was important to me. Like i had been in the skin care industry for twenty years. I take care of my skin. Like i take care of my body and i didn't think i'd be able to find natural substitutes and when i started doing research and i started to strip ingredients out on my formula one by one i just started taking them crossing them off the list. I was shocked. That not only did my skin look as good. It looked better when i made the change. So i thought you know. I can put things that are extremely nutrient rich and healthy on my skin and it thrives. Why would i ever go back to using things that i'm not so sure about said that's kind of how the change happened for me and it was kind of slow evolution and now i just i can't go back at this point just because i'm so happy with the result that have seen firsthand right absolutely and i feel like there is sometimes this similar. Collective sense of natural is not as effective. Or if i'm not using clinical skin care i am not gonna see the anti aging fine line filling etc things that i'm looking for my skin care. And we do. Generally as a society have this pressure of like anti-aging of making your skin as pure on porcelain possible and i think associating that sort of stream skin-care to only being able to find it in the lab is pretty dangerous to. It's pretty. I feel like it's just so unnatural that for me now that i've come to the other side. I'm surprised by this. Move towards natural beauty not coming sooner or not being more readily available already readily talked about. So i suppose my question for you is how do you figure out if your skin care is actually out of the effective as it could be too clinical alternative. Do you feel like your skin. Care is more nutrient dense or is it about purity of ingredients or or what is it about natural skin care. That really makes a difference when compared to clinical. I think it's i think it's a lot of things that's a really good question And i just wanna start with what you said you know. Natural does not mean wimpy cleaned does not mean wimpy and that is a hurdle i think in this space that were always trying to get over. You know like these are ingredients that have clinically proven results behind that. An example of one. That i'm loving right. Now we use is by coochie all and it has clinical studies that are neck and neck with the results of retinol but without the dryness the irritation of the sensitivity. So it's like you can fill your stomach up with delicious with twenty colors in it. You know you might not want pizza and more you know like so when you always love pizza before i mean i love pizza. That's a bad analogy. Because i eat pizza. But i'm just saying that when you cross the line and you make the switch and you see that you are not sacrificing results happiness. The prices the same if not better It's hard to go back but you know i. I just think that everybody has to make the decision for themselves. You know like. I'm not pounding my fist against the table. Saying this is bad for you. This is bad like everybody has to make their own decisions. And i just found a path that was right for me and i've been very happy on that path but everybody needs to do. What makes them feel good and look. I'm a big fan of adam. Everything in moderation. You know i mean you have to decide in your life what you will allow what you want allow and you know once you make that decision just know there's a lot of innovation out there and you have a lot of options in front of you now you know. Our our ancestors didn't have these options fifty sixty years ago. There wasn't access to the ingredients that we have access to now in their the topical vitamins. Like it's the same thing as putting vitamins on your skin. So we live in such a great age or being able to change the physiology of the way that we look as we get older. You know if that's something that's bothered that bothers you. Some people don't mind and they embraced. The wrinkle. Which i think is a great thing to right. I agree with you. I think something that really resonated with me was when you mentioned looking at the research and saying what are the actual results of these natural ingredients verses their clinical counterparts and saying that we didn't always have the option to have really highly formulated. Skin care products or beauty products or whatever it may be and i think sometimes it's interesting when people i look at the research and say oh. This natural ingredient is just as potent as whatever i was using beforehand so i think just encouraging people to really look at effectiveness is important and i want to talk to you a little bit also about how you can actually scale this. As the clean beauty movement grows and you mentioned earlier wild crafting and foraging really allowing nature to do its thing and be there as a guide and be there to help you and as the clean beauty movement gains traction and as alpine continues to grow. How are you able to maintain that same level of effectiveness of care for the ingredients that you're using and just continuing to be as kind of the planet as you can as you source ingredients. It's a really good question because the sustainability is so important to us and you know we also as a brand. We do one percent of every sale of the product goes back to one percent for the planet and we've chosen the grantee national park foundation which is the local on national park just to feed that ecosystem. We support one of their campaigns called wild treasures which is focused on replanting. All the natural plants that may have been ripped up when the settlers moved in hundreds of years ago. So we're we're working on a restoration project in the park to restore that ecosystem onto the way that it was intended to be so. That's very important to us. The wild crafting thing is interesting for a few reasons. So the plants are extremely potent. You don't need a lot you know you just need little tiny pieces. And that's why we're not like clearing. Forests were never ripping anything out of the ground. Anything that we take from the plant is able to naturally regenerate it and we will wild craft in patch and we can come back one week later and it looks like we weren't even there like there's no it doesn't look like somebody has taken plants from that patch so that's the good thing on the other thing about our formulas is that our wild plants are kind of our secret sauce that we just sprinkle on. I don't like mix these on my on my stove at home in my kitchen. Like where am i made. My kids like chicken nuggets like they are made by a manufacturer that we trust and they are packed with vitamins. C in square lane and all cruelty free ingredients gluten free but ceremonies and things that like make up the whole formula. So it's not like. I'm putting wild plants in the bottle from top. To bottom like the wild plants are kind of like our as seen on like deliciously bait cupcake pushes the efficacy and the results to the next level so. I'm not needing a lot of these plants so i live in a land. That is so rich with these wild plants. I mean i feel like the guy. In jackson hole like alone could supply the world with album. Judy products indefinitely. And the good news is it just continues to grow and grow and grow so that's important to us like as we scale but like that's what i try to tell people. Unlike like the formulas are made up of clean sustainably sourced skin-care ingredients and then the wild plants. That's kind of like are just. That's our secret sauce. You know it's not the whole thing. So again yeah. We just don't need a lot to get the results that we're seeing and just adding that little sprinkle. The icing on the cupcake at the end really does change the way that the formula behaves and acts it specific just to us. You know which is something that was important to me. I wanted to have something that was different. I felt like even from being a store owner. You know i i was. I had amazing skin care brands. But everything was the same and i am always on the hunt for innovation you know like we put choke cherries into our products and huckleberry he's and we source things that aren't usually an readily available. You know in skin care because you have to push the boundaries in order to innovate and change a So that's what we're really about at alvin. I love that so much. And i really appreciate that you clarified when you are buying alpin product. You're not fill. You're not feeling a bottle with leaves from your backyard. It's really a matter of adding in natural ingredients to push the efficacy. So you had two stores in jackson that you were providing the community with these really high on products then you started your own line you sorted foraging from your immediate area and your immediate surrounding areas and i think it's also really cool that you mentioned that just what you have in. Jackson could supply the world with alpin products. And i think that's so interesting because you have such a unique space in the beauty world you came from manhattan you came to just enjoy your life a little bit more and enjoy slower pace of life so i want to know a little bit what it's like to run beauty brand in an area that is not typically associated with other big beauty brands. Like what is it like to run your company. Out of jackson wyoming. Well i feel very fortunate to wake up every day and the place that i wake up. no matter how much stress i have. Or if i'm feeling internal or i just had a bad day like we all do you know i. I look out the window. And oftentimes i feel like i'm looking at a painting or something real beautiful and it just makes me calm and it like it makes me exhale so. I feel very fortunate. Running a company is very hard. I had experience in the beauty industry for two decades. So i came into. This is wide open. I knew it was going to be challenging. I never really think that you realize how hard it is until you start doing it and that that would be my advice like anybody who has an idea to start a brand is just start doing it like you just have to start because starting off in the hardest part and getting it off. The ground is challenging but then once you're established it's even more challenging because the saturated space you know. There's a lot of brands out there. And this day and age like anybody who has a computer can start a company. you know. it's not hard to do. But the sustaining of it you know in the the feeding it and the growing at the growing it is the hardest part We have the luxury of living in jackson hole but a lot of our employees are working remotely across the country. We have people in chicago and seattle and new york new jersey. Because i realized that jackson hole is not an easy place to live. There's not a lot of housing here. A lot of the land is reserved for The national forests. thank goodness. so but it's hard. It's isolated to commercial flights to get anywhere. If i have to fly to new york to airplanes not one so it's challenging to run a business from here on because i'm far away from everyone and you know when i was doing my qvc shows i'd have to fly across the country. Every time we went on air. But i just feel fortunate that i'm able to work in a place that brings me so much peace and joy. I really appreciate that. I felt similarly when i lived in flagstaff. Of course i was not doing anything to the scale that you are doing. But i felt like i was so isolated even though i was enjoying my life day today so much if i did need to do something or go back to see my family on the east coast or whatever it may be it was. It was an adventure. It was a journey. It was like a whole ordeal to get anywhere. And i was both very frustrated and very fortunate ultimately is what push me to move out and now that i'm gone i'm like i can't believe i gave that up because it's a matter of realizing that there are always going to be trade-offs when you are living in such a beautiful truly special place so i just i really like your story and i liked that you acknowledged that there are more benefits than cons when you are doing something so different in such a special place so i love that so much about you. Oh thank you. I mean it's it's it's it's a grind. I mean it's just hard no matter where no matter what you're doing. I mean we all have our challenges and you know that internally we all have our struggles and you know i think for me you just have to find your happy you know like what what is your happy like. Where is your happy. And when i was living in new york. I had this amazing corporate executive job and i had this office with a view and i had nice things but that was not my happy like i went to bed every night. Feeling lost and unfulfilled. And you know. I made this life change. It was scary. you know. it's it's scary to leave a job when you know. You're getting a paycheck every two weeks and you don't really know what's coming next but life is not address for hersal. You get one shot at this. And i think we all just need to listen to our inner voice and follow our heart and our passion and shockingly it just all kind of falls in line essentially it does. It really does and you know. I don't have the things that i used to have. But i have so much more than that. And that's more important to me as an individual and that's just that's been my journey like i've never felt so fulfiled even though i'm working harder than i've ever worked if that makes my goodness absolutely it makes sense. I needed to hear that. I really did because i love your story so much and i think i was telling you this before we started recording that coronavirus have put everything in perspective for me personally and i know for a lot of people. I know that my situation is not necessarily unique or novel in saying that. I wanna be somewhere where i can be outside and really enjoy my life and have that balance of doing what i enjoy at not necessarily feeling a my only fulfilled by going out to dinner or am i only like what is it. That truly makes me happy. And what is it. That truly just gets me up in the morning and gets me excited about life and continues to push me so i think that your story resonates with people. How did you know it was the right time for you to leave new york how to do the right time for you to leave your corporate job. Oh gosh you just know. I was mentally and physically exhausted. I was unhealthy. I was experiencing higher levels of anxiety and angst. I was eating more than i ever ate in my life. I was looking to food for comfort. It just you know it started as a small little snowflake and then it started to like roll roll enroll and it was just a massive snowball. You know just sitting in my chest eventually. And that's when my husband. And i were just like what are we doing like. Let's just let's pull the plug like we're gonna figure it out we'll make it work and if we don't try it you know we're going to be sitting around eighty five years old. You know one day saying up. We never did that. And we kinda wanted to so we did it. Yeah we just sold everything. We packed up the car. We did it and it was scary. It was that jump off the cliff. Not knowing where or how you're going to land but just having the faith in yourself and the confidence that you will land and you will be okay. You know it changed my life. And that's what. I tell people all the time like just follow your heart and find your happy and for some people that is like living in a big city with mice things and if that's your happy amazing stick with it. You know but you. I think you just know if you're satisfied in life or not and if you keep hearing that little voice say i'm not happy i'm not happy You have to do something and make the change and that may not only be for your mental health but it might be your path in life. Life may be trying to take you down a path and it's trying to help you find that and like for me. That was my experience of started. This skin caroline. I'm helping how many hundreds of thousands of women feel better about themselves. And if if. I didn't make that change for myself. I wouldn't have been able to bring this to everybody else so it's like that might just be the universe giving you these signals. That little voice is the universe. So listen i will get so much. I think that's an excellent place to leave it. Encourage everyone to practice. Good skin care. Just you know. Your skin is an organ leg. You know your internal organs. It's it's the largest organ in the body and it needs vitamins and it needs care needs nourishment and it needs to be washed and moisture is taken care of because it contributes to your overall health and I'm so passionate about skin and the science behind it and you know once you start using products that agree with you are happy. You know you can feel and how wonderful you can love how i just want to like. Educate everybody where your sunscreen alvin. Beauty does not have a sunscreen but there are so many great sunscreens out in the market. But yeah i just. I think that skin is important to just not given nod to 'cause that's something that i've been very motivated by as to seen the results when people start taking care of their skin the way they take care of their bodies. I hope you enjoyed today's episode with kendra cobb butler of al penn beauty. I know that. I a loved this conversation and i hope you did as well. And if you've made it this far make sure that you have rated and reviewed ego on apple podcasts. Make sure that you're subscribed where ever you listen to podcasts. Because i would just hate for you to miss an upcoming episode of aeko sheep so make sure that you send it to a friend senate in your group chat share with your family. I cannot wait to hear what you think of this episode and you can reach out to me on socials like i mentioned all mailings are in the show notes and thank you so much for tuning and i look forward to seeing you. Next week bye.

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27: JT Genter shares what live is like as a digital nomad while living fulltime in an RV

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27: JT Genter shares what live is like as a digital nomad while living fulltime in an RV

"On the travel with kristof podcast. I should tips and tricks on traveling. Better thanks for listening and enjoy the episode travelers. it's christoph trap. Your host of the travel with christoph podcast and one of these days i will travel again. Currently i got a couple of trips planned one to madrid completely on miles and to phoenix on cash with family. And they're all on point so we will see if they happen. There's still a few months away but let's talk about a different topic today. How about living in an rv and who better to talk to about this topic then. The j. t. inter. I actually ran across them. I don't know a few years ago on the web and then i ran into him in atlanta I was coming back for I think it was atlanta from washington then redskins game in nfc jt. Thanks for joining us. Yeah thanks for having me i. I'm heading at that. I'm trying to remember if that was the time that i was flying. From atlanta. to denver to birmingham alabama could have easily have driven just to get more than three hundred thousand flight miles for the year. I think that may have been that trip. That was that trip and you flew frontier or something like that. Frontier ended up running up. Article that What kind of of that is the flight. Attendants had apple. They actually asked for a tip. And i was like. Oh that's interesting. And it got picked up nationally about how frontiers frontiers been is asking for tips. So turns out they've been doing it for years. There's just by first time running into it. It's it is interesting. So i actually. Sometimes i send clients invoices to pay paul. If they want it that way. you know. i'm i'm easy to get along with. And i did that a few weeks ago and there was actually an option. A check box at a tip and i looked at my wife and i said should i at the tip line uses okay but yeah i don't wanna elliott people same. Did you end up doing it. I did not added. I think it was already a contract. That was of a decent size so i was like. That's kind of weird to ask for. You know i mean what's the tip twenty bucks two hundred bucks. I i don't know but it was interesting. I took what what is that. Called again I wanna say it's lays the helicopter from new york late late. i actually took them from manhattan to laguardia. I guess a year ago. Roughly maybe a little over a year ago and they send you an email afterwards and ask you for a tip which was kind of interesting. I wonder if it goes to like the pilots are split across. The team is just kept company here the pilots. It was definitely for the pilots. Even said this was your pilot blah blah. If you wanna tip him. I think they were guys in. In my case you can do that here so Anyway stars right and you give them five stars absolutely but today we wanna talk about. You guys have been living in an rv for for a while. And what's interesting about that topic. I actually went to. It was a nascar race in at the iowa speedway with a brother-in-law and we took his rv which was pretty nice rv. We stayed two nights. And i'm not sure i wanted to spend a third night at rv. So tell me about what you guys have been app to. What had been like has been fun. I bet it has been a us in. Yeah so. I started with some background so This guy travel writing career as a second career for me. I actually worked as tax accounted for a decade But always had a passion for traveling and instead of giving trying to get a bonus. I would always ask for another week vacation and finally even the three or four weeks. I was giving a year of still wasn't enough so i actually took a break from accounting to catch up travel writings. Doing and that was it says sixteen and i've never been back so until seventeen. My wife and i took what we thought was going to be a gap year so june says and seventeen. We sold all of our possessions. We moved out of our apartment. That was an austin texas nba and our cat. Hit the road. we Flew we literally lived out of our backpacks. Legally we lived in tampa florida with my dad. we lived our backpacks until march chosen twenty south africa. And this thing. All the coronavirus is blowing up all over. The world is shutting down borders so We had to head home. We ended up getting the second. The last delta flight from johannesburg atlanta probably ever be as a rerouting that through cape town now But we both out with points got back to atlanta and cower like okay. Well what's next. We don't have home to go to We we both at b b for two weeks. They actually canceled the morning. We arrived Because they were concerned. Because we've been national traveling. This is like march nineteenth or whatever in everyone was freaking out but we had booked Airbnb is supposed to be the entire place But yeah so we were just how homeless we were in that moment Thankfully my dad's fiancee at the time. Now wife let us have her condo actually in alabama. Actually mir's hallelujah. Speaking of racing and we crash air for seventeen days and moved in with my mom for a couple of months and moved in with my dad a couple months and then it was like all right now. It's time for a place of our own but we didn't want to be in any one location So we we had. We rented rv a couple of times through Relocation process called. Move This how we booked at Where you get rented rv for a dollar a day but you have to take rv from one place to another place So we had done a total of eight nights at rv when we decided less by an rv actually bought the exact same model that we had a had driven from la to dallas a across like a six days and so we've bought his accent model from a dealer and orlando is a used rental. And so it's a thirty foot motorhome. And on september first we moved into all of our stuff our cat and everything into rv. We've been living out of it ever since. Oh my goodness what a what a story what's interesting. I kind of related to your comment about. Oh we bought the same the same type of that. We already had rented my last car. Mike earnkaro chevy arcadia took it for. Maybe a thirty second test drive. I said yep this one is fine and my wife said are you sure. And i said yeah. I've been driving for last two weeks in in dallas. And i love it and this is just like it so i already knew everything about the car right and literally. Just bought the same car that i had just read travis. What my family did that back in. One thousand nine hundred ninety eight. We went on a trip to Yellowstone and atlanta in jackson wyoming. My dad is a. He's a frequent traveler for business And because of his status upgrades in called a subaru outback which we had never heard of a subaru. Before and after driving that car for ten fourteen days family literally we came home to tampa and bought the nsa model a year later. But yeah i. It's funny those rentals. You can really get attached to vehicles really. See how much you liked it so jt. You mentioned that your legal residents as in tampa but it's like so. How does that work you. Have you have to have like a mailing address for what's the thinking behind that. Yes it's mostly a mailing address but also for everyone from the irs. To over wants to find you and we figured we will have one address where we could have bank statements sent. Hopefully you are as paperless. Paperless can get still. There's still plenty of male So when we moved out of our apartment austin we sat a mail forwarding and changed all of our addresses with everyone. We could see my dad's house in tampa which funny story. He ended up selling that house in september right after we went full time so we now live in beach. Florida and the rv is licensed in neptune beach. But yeah it's just you know pretty much having a legal address where someone can find us physically by at least legally and i guess you do have to register you are reseller. So that's that's interesting. That's something to think about but when you live in an rv. How what are the logistics. Like i you just driving around by visiting different places or or do you have like a home base where you stick around with it and how internet those kinds of things work yes. I'll jump on the internet. Is that was the thing that my wife. And i were most concerned about so we. We both work fulltime. I work fulltime as as a freelancer. She worst time as an employee so we were used to be in digital ads as we're traveling around the world but we you know we knew we needed to have good internet wherever we went s- So we figure that's going to be the most challenging aspect we after doing some research we give rise in a unlimited plan that has hot spotting That we could. So we hustled off of our phones to our laptops and we each have thirty gigabytes per Per month as a to us. And we've been able to do that so that would do all of our work on our laptops stream off of our phones we have a A hotspot through t mobile case we get into a runoff data or have service somewhere. But it's actually been Doggone would the least stressful part about this Vs we've been able to look at campground reviews and Usually people say you know pretty good service or mediocre service or if it says no service while we're not going there yes those was be the part the for us is Cer- were so used to be so flexible that we ended up not booking our next campground next day and so few days outs which can lead to some availability issues. But because we're flexible. We can usually go anywhere we want but you never run out data. That's just unbelievable thirty gigs. i don't know how many i asked not that many but but we seem to be running out all the time when when we're actually leaving the house. Yeah yeah so. We were concerned about this when we did a when we looked at our laptops to see how much did our lops had used and like the month. When we're just on on home why you didn't have to worry about it. I had used hundred gigabytes of data in the prior month. But that's of course you know streaming youtube videos and watching hulu and all the different Streaming videos that will will watch because home. We don't have a tv so we knew that we wouldn't be able to really any videos but just by doing some. You know changing some settings on twitter videos. The auto play not going on youtube. While my laptop we've been able to stay under thirty gigabytes each per month in on us part of this plan though have unlimited data so we actually got a cable that we can hook up our phone to a monitor computer mancera. We have So we have a twenty seven inch monitor slash tv for videos very interested in how so. How does the logistics that work. Where do you go. I assume you're not gonna come visit me in iowa. Not when it's minus two degrees a. Yeah that's another interesting limitation as we were more connected to the weather. I think we ever have been As far as we have been able to find like the rv would be fine if it gets down thirty ish but you really don't want it to get anywhere that's much lower than that without doing more to prepare it Like some people will attach heaters to the tanks Which as rv you have everything. All of your stuff is in there. sa- freshwater There's a gray water tank for like since our blackwater saying for toilet And and don't want to deal with a poop. Cicle takes which are in the exterior so some people actually put like almost like an electric heating blanket. Indoor design for the tanks and people could go much cooler. There's also dump antifreeze instead of thanks to help reduce the freezing temperature so thankfully. We haven't had to do that quite yet. We've managed to stay out of place has been. The coolest has gone inside thirty thirty one anywhere. We've been so far and so this time of the year you mostly stay in the southern part of the united states. I assume yes. We're getting some new florida really well for for September and october. We spent a lotta time. In in in georgia south carolina and southern alabama. And one of your other questions. We ask you about like How we plan where to go since we are working full-time this isn't a traditional type of rv situations where hop into rv and drive from coast to coast seeing all the parks along the way Which i know we would love to do that at some point. We're much more like staying at a campground for five to seven nights. Maybe joints different campground or a different site for the weekend. We've done a couple of those where we'll try to be actual campers and show up on friday and go to like a a state park where i go hiking or the day or go swim in the springs or whatever during the weekend and they get back to work at another campground on monday very interesting. Of course as you know. I like to travel as well and i do kinda miss it and this year i have to say i have probably invest a little bit more in the house time wise and maybe also financially just because we are here nonstop knock you know. i mean. I took my car in the other day for A car rotation Change and they said come back in two miles to get the lug nuts We tightened or whatever. And i said that it'd be a why and that was almost a week ago and i'm still not one hundred miles so maybe not a whole week but half a week so do you ever do you ever miss being in a residence or no all well. I mean We joke that. We are professional adapters. My wife and i because we were living out of our backpacks and traveling to. I'm not exactly sure. I should probably add up. How many countries. We did from june tan. Seventeen through twenty twenty but we we put an over a million miles in the air in a four year period. So we are. You said not being used to something. We're used to being have used about where something is finding the closest laundromat. So this is a any harder actually. Subways it's got a nice to have All of the stuff that we need with us and not be limited to a seventy liter backpack and of course when you live in an rv. You don't have the big storage room where you just store everything that you don't need to include in the notes but like r. v. is set up so that the bed isn't a bath and we intentionally got one. That's a little larger than we would want to drive around because it is our home in our office so we got a thirty. Footer is sleep up to eight is says but i would. I would probably say six would be still uncomfortable But we have a bedroom in the back in how the bed is set up. It creates this chasm underneath it So we call it the trunk and it is you know it's her of the vehicle and maybe As as deep as seven feet so as a huge storage area that we have down there so of course we have like our hoses and tanks and down there and some some extra supplies toilet paper paper towels But ends up being this huge area down there. We have that we can store stuff so you put that you may or may not need eating articles and all that so you know of course in in august. We had the idea at the inland hurricane. Come through here You know it was just horrible. Mean a lot of people had to get out of their homes and our homeless had damaged but not nearly as bad as others who had traced through the roof and that kind of thing of course they had to get out of their home. When when you take your your rv into the shop and it takes a couple of days like how does that like you know you have to stay in a hotel. Or how does that work. Yeah so we looked in our only vehicles so some people are rv. There's different types of rv's for one. We have a motor home where whereas actually a driven vehicle and we do not so a vehicle says some people will have like a motorhome but they'll tow Sometimes they'll just be a golf car. Sometimes they'll be entire car behind. There's a cross this is our only vehicle so Yes today while it's in the shop. We we rented a vehicle From from hurts for the day and what our home office for And our cat litterbox is in in the backseat So that's all we have to do. Wouldn't it's in the shop at this is actually only the first day we've had to do that because finding a places where to get upgrades and repairs on. Rv's has been very very difficult as lots and lots of people have been giving rv's recently or they had an rv. They're pulling out of storage getting repairs. Done so Thankfully disrepair Should be finished by the end of the day so we will have to do a hotel but yeah i have heard people where they'll have multi day stays. They've got to get a hotel and rental car and everything so it doesn't work like this. Jt so if you will. Hey i need to go to the coffee shop or whatever the coffee shop. It's not within walking distance. You just drive over. Your wife is working in the are in the motor home and you drive over there and get your coffee do whatever and then when you're done you leave so we we've had some very interesting things. Because of the dynamic we do normally will stay someplace for five to seven days like a campground like By a lake and we have everything we need their We've got a really good coffee maker Speaking of coffee so we don't Have to go out for anything. But yeah when we Everything from Go get my haircut. And we had to park in the parking lot. And i came out and i was like you know what i could use a shower shower right into the parking lot in inside the vehicle outside but because we could And so it's interesting having everything you have with you. At all times. I went to a cousin's wedding a couple of months ago and we were able to drive the whole. There are our you know our everyday clothes and then step into the bedroom dropped the curtains and get right at the venue so it definitely does change how you how you get around and i mean certainly what you were doing this. You're not just going on a on a fun trip for a few weeks. It's it's part of your lifestyle. Who should consider doing that. Like what you're doing. I mean obviously you have to be able to work promote Which you know more people are currently doing than maybe any other time in history But but like who's a perfect candidate to try that in. And how long would you recommend that. Try it yes. I feel like there as you're looking to have been able to really take off and like i. This is an incredible opportunity to be able to. Do you know kind of what we're doing like Actually evening we're driving over to the space coast and there's going to be a spacex launch on thursday. That will just be able to watch. I mean if we were living full time in austin we would never consider flying over just for a launch of kind of in this space but not that much but have the flexibility to go anywhere. And you've got gotta be somewhere so why not us go over space coast for the weekend. The of florida on the east coast. so yeah if the for people who have a flexible schedule and have worked as a super data intensive so that you can do some sort of streaming data whether our cell phone plan. There's also like satellite providers Where you can get data. This is a great opportunity to if he can find an rv for for people looking more for like weekend. Type stuff I wouldn't suggest entire motorhome because it's kind of an expensive hobby to have if you're not living out of it But there's plenty of trailers and fifth wheels. Where if you have like a truck you can connect it to the truck bed and those are are much more affordable and you still have the yeah. Can't be experience But yeah for living full-time wanna make sure you have a flexible job at some point miles a credit card points of miles. It would be nice for when you do have to do. Those random hotel stays a good credit card for the earns. Money on gas because gas is going to be one of your business. Business biggest expenses But yeah that's really who who should consider did. Of course i got two girls run around the house a thirteen year old and a six year old and of course currently there. they're partially remote from school or virtual they call. Is this doable. You think with especially in a vehicle headroom in the back and then we have like. There's an over cab so it's a bed. It's about a queen size bed. That's over the The the engine the cab of the vehicle and like i've had my nieces and nephews like hanging out. There is a great like kids area. I could see yeah. Kids being up there on on on their tablets doing school. We have a couch as well and a a a table. So yeah they're like especially if you have a large vehicle you deflate could have a family of four. That's all working and living in play out of it. Very interesting natural. I'm quite ready to pack them all up into a motor home And be that style for sure but so having a motorhome though i mean you mentioned of course it's expensive if it's a hobby but is it cheaper than having a how i actually ran the number so having that accounting background having worked in tax accounting for for a decade of super numbers guy. And so that was one of my questions is like okay. How expensive is actually going to be when you look at like individual nights like the place where going it's a. It's a city park. That's over a day county park. That's over on the space coast near cape canaveral. And it's thirty under thirty dollars a night for water. Power sewer at your site. So you don't have to get a dump station to dump your fluids. A you have the sewer right there. That's a great deal to get like that for thirty dollars a night. Especially in a great location is a great deal but private campgrounds give sixty seventy dollars as some some prime locations so like the boondock. Which is where you just park for free. My wife and i have done that about five nights. I think we've parked in the parking lot of walmart one night a couple of nights in a huckleberry parking lot different ones. And so you'll you'll find thirty different places where they're happy it just have you parked there Because they don't need the parking spaces overnight anyways and For walmart we'll go do our grocery shopping as they. Hugh and crocodile will always have a meal But yeah so like the for us. Like the lodging costs actually. I've tried to pull that up in the back. Spent two thousand three hundred and fourteen dollars for seventy two nights which base a write about thirty dollars a night So that's really not bad but then you factor in all of the other expenses so gasoline was eight hundred twenty six dollars which we haven't driven very much we've done about four thousand miles and a cellphone service. The rv supplies from toilet chemicals roof. Sealants be as you definitely. Don't want to leak in the roof. Like all of these These things add up insurance on the vehicle. All of that added up for us to be spent just about nine thousand dollars. The first three months of ownership Some of that is a one time like where we paid for inspection before we bought it. And we bought equipment that you really need once the sewer hoses and The pumps for tires and stuff like that where you only need it once but yeah. That's the general. Costs is not cheap very very interesting. of course. you can't checkout Jt and his wife katie's travel at jt. Katie dot com. I that's e For katie and then. Jt of courses also on twitter. Jt kanter jt g. n. t. tr. We'll have those links in the show notes as well. Thanks for sharing your interesting Story j. really appreciated so you one more question one more question. That's the journalist of the on the on the way out the door. So what if what what will you do. Once you get back in the air. I mean you just you gotta get the airport or that's gonna cost a pretty penny. We actually did take a trip. So that we We have mostly been grounded Especially having the vehicle but we did take one trip and it was a variety of reasons. I felt like i did just find myself online abyss. A really good point steele that. We wouldn't be able to change a date so we'd had to give up the points. Were able to burn. System-wide on american airlines are used a system wide We're able to qualify for sex platinum size like there's all these reasons that we went on this trip but so it was always a turkey From a lance of returning to atlanta. And we were able to talk to the parking spot. The just the polka dotted. Parking bans see around airports. And just said hey. Do you have to spaces that we could take up is the vehicle you know our. Rv is just long enough to fit in into spaces and they said yeah. Sure we'll put you over in this uncovered parking area and you just pay for one spot so we paid like six dollars a day at the fair week It's a park at the at the airport and have a shuttle back and forth so that was surprisingly not an issue but Yeah for more of a longterm storage. We would definitely find like a place where we're able to sort for one hundred dollars hundred fifty dollars a month but we don't plan on story get for too long we. We hope we can have some family that can utilize it like the summer. When hopefully we're back on the back in the air and then we're looking to sell it when what is no longer make sense for us to be living out of it very interesting. Thanks for sharing your story. J. t. really appreciate it and thanks for listening until next time.

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