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New series in September. Meanwhile

The Art Newspaper Weekly

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New series in September. Meanwhile

"The we cannot is sponsored by Christie's visit Christie's dot com to find out more about the world's leading option housing seventeen, sixty, six, auction, private sales online. Anytime Hello, it's been Luke Air. Thanks for subscribing to the weaking out. We've had an extraordinary few months, but we're gratified that. So many of you listening I'm delighted to say that the podcast we'll be back on the fourth of September with a new weekly series with all the latest World News exclusive interviews, exhibition tools, and much more in the meantime division archive of one hundred episodes over the summer among the highlights are lonely works and works at the week that we began in March as museum shutdown including not willinger on. Jackson pollock. So He Whitley on Alma, Thomas Julia Peyton Jones on Leonardo and Simon, Sharma on jam w Turner. I'd also like to urge to subscribe to something else the team behind the we cannot has put together a brand new podcast. He's the trailer. We just launched a brush with a series of index conversations with leading artists in which we explore their work and life through their cultural experiences. The historic and living artists they must admire the museums that returned to the books music and other media and inspire them the APP. Let's pin into studio walls. As an art critic, I embrace Oh forms of contemporary art, but I do have a particular soft spot for painting. So this first series of a brush with beaches, four interviews with painters, and in the first episode I speak to the Kenyan. British artist Michael. There isn't another artist Goya. There isn't another autism paints. Goya that can do the things that he does which quite frankly should be terrible. Utterly convincing he reflects on very difficult aspects of human nature the textures of the paint in those painting it's just an incredibly daring way of using the stuff unbelievable like there's something immense about being in the presence of that because you you understand so much about somebody. said. Listen now and subscribe to a brush with on Apple podcasts spotify wherever you get you put coasts. Moving to tell you about we'll be hosting the latest event in a series. Live on Youtube Channel and it will feature discussion coasts. I'll be talking to turn the diamond from the hugely successful coast to coast Jonas. Five. PM, best midday. Nine am PD. I eight thirty. On the newspapers Youtube check to the art newspaper Live Avenue, is. Residents. We cannot is sponsored by Christie's is it Christie's dot com to find out more about the world's leading option housing seventeen, sixty, six, auction, private sales online. Anytime.

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October 31: For oil intents and purposes

As It Happens from CBC Radio

00:00 sec | 1 year ago

October 31: For oil intents and purposes

"Hey I'm Rosemarie Barton and I love politics. You don't possibly mean that elevated mood tonight tweet about politics. But I don't want to do you. Welcome to party lines. This is the podcast where we're going to try and get you up to speed on what's happening for the federal election. A new episode every Thursday. You can get it wherever you get your podcast from. I don't know how we're going to end it out. Can we literally drop Mike. This is a CBC podcast. Hello I'm Megan Williams a dime Karen Gordon. This is as it happens the podcast edition. Tonight's for oil intents and purposes the Canadian oil patch giant and Canada says. It's not moving. Its H Q to the US because of politics but the company's founder Founder Says Justin Trudeau is partly to blame instead of go team the team's going. The website deadspin covers more than box scores so when the new management ordered writers to stick sports they told the management to stick it follow the leader. FACEBOOK shuts down three networks. That were interfering in in African politics and our guest says they were clearly cooked up by a Russian oligarch known as Putin Chef spluttered Night fever an engineering professor shares. His findings on the physics of Jackson pollock's technique and his work paints and appealing picture of the Science hunter-gatherer a journalist. Liz visits the most haunted town in Britain and find something scarier than phantoms grumpy locals who are fed up with people asking about the stupid goes. Yeah and it's like taking candy from a baby and giving it to the baby the next day in the face of Nasty Weather Montreal postpones Halloween till tomorrow and one one local woman regrets suggesting the rain check as it happens the Thursday edition radio. That's usually a big fan of costume. Drama the governor and Canada was a Canadian giant. The oil and gas companies name was short for Energy Canada. Its roots go back to the early days of the country but today Encana announced that it will be changing its name to give and moving its headquarters to the United States and Canada. CEO says the move has nothing to do with Canadian politics with Gwyn. Morgan isn't so sure. Mr Morgan is the founder of Encana. We reached him in Tel Aviv. Mr Mr Morgan. After all the years you spent at Une Canada. How does it feel for you to hear? They're moving to the United States. Well I guess you start with your personal feelings as you said. I spent thirty years doing this. And and my motivation for for building the company to where it got too especially when we did a big merger with the Pancanadian group was because There were a lot of companies in Canada being taken over by foreign investors and foreign accompanies the especially from the United States. And so I feel you know. Maybe we can build a company. That's the biggest strongest on gas company. Headquartered in Canada ended up which we did and therefore we have no chance really no chance of being taken over but what I didn't of course anticipate is that through through government policy that actually debilitated the industry would find it necessary to kind of export itself. If I put it that way the words rather than somebody else taking over the company who headquarters it did it by itself and that's because it felt. It had no choice with the business climate here here in Canada for that industry. What kind of blow is this for the Canadian? Oil Patch. Well you know they had somebody blows over the last few years They've they've had so many blows They feel I think they understand that. We we feel universally pretty much through the patch. But Al Most Auburn's generally that they've had a government central government government that is against their very reason for being so this this is unfortunately another big big AAC kind of blow that they're enduring and it's heartbreaking and kind of CEO. Doug suttles was asked this morning whether the decision had anything to do with the current political climate and he said quote the answer is unequivocally no he says that this is about opening the door to US investors. Why don't you believe him? Well I guess because they built the company from scratch to a sixty billion dollar market value company that had Cheryl around the world including the United States. And you know the reality is. We never had any problem at all. Accessing capital capital but that was because there was a really positive business climate in in in Canada and because we were successful company with a lot of of A lot of opportunity and growth. And so I mean I. I'm not gonNA criticized Doug because I know what he has to he has to be kind of correct but you can't come out. We still has an operation candidate. You can't cut and overtly say exactly what the reality is. The reality is that the business climate has forced in can't over the last few years to build assets in the US reduce that sets in Canada with sales listen candidate purchases in the US and move people and of the capital program. We had to one time but like a three or four billion dollars a year program in Canada every year has has moved south because if you can get the product on stream and if you're dealing with what you believe is hostile policy climate in the country. You have no choice but to do that so I'm not going to criticize improved using his rationale but I don't believe it conservative. Would've leaders made a lot of promises to the oil and gas industry But Justin Trudeau has the Trans Mountain pipeline under construction Isn't that going to help. Raise the price of Canadian. Exports protect the industry in some way. Well it's it's a small thing but I it's important but it's small because we and who knows what it's going to actually be on stream but the fact is that the that the combination of the business climate Of all of the actions of the government killing three other plans some of which would have been onstream one of which would have actually taken oil to displace that fourtou coming up the saint alerts. So when you when you look at that you say okay. This is a country that is basically negative about that industry mystery. And so if I'm an investor and and you know for large company like Encana one of the first criteria and investors look at the business climate and that has to do with the political climate as well and if you you develop a reputation as a country and the government for being negative to a given business investors simply are not gonNA invest so Doug Suttles is right in the sense that he has to move the domicile to get access better access to the to the investors. But it's not because you know somehow or other as more investors down here compeer all because of the investment climate. Well could it also be because it's cheaper to produce a barrel of oil there than it is Berta. It doesn't do a whole lot of good to be cheaper if you can't move it. Alberta has a very efficient operation in fact Alberta could be totally competitive on the production basis and profitable with the United States. That's for sure but it's all about business we're talking about investors. So I was running the company I would go round the world talking to people in Singapore and Asia and investors in in the UK and France and Switzerland and all around the world. I spent just one of my jobs and of course the United States and first of all they were interested in what your plan was how you're GonNa build the company you know you're you're going to be competitive competitive. We had no problem with that. The problem is an also candidate the time besides being really safe secure and solve taste to invest. It's the second part that disappear not the first part now when you you you link the business climate what you call the hostile business climate to the to the liberal government And yet sixty. Five percent of Canadians voted either for parties committed to transitioning away from fossil fuels or specifically for four parties investing in alternative energies. Is it not the government's responsibility to reflect the priorities. Hardy's of the majority of Canadians. Well it depends on what you tell them I mean the reality is that fossils. I continue to increase in use in the world so all candidates doing by by destroying its own industry is giving those production barrels Charles and that opportunity to countries. That are free quite frankly. Not Nearly as they don't have the both the ethical system that they don't have the system and they don't have even the production efficiencies of Canada. Okay Mr Morgan. We're going to have to leave it there. Thanks very much I speaking with me okay. You're welcome when Morgan was the founder of Encana. Today the company announced that it's changing. Its name and moving. Its headquarters from Calgary to the United rated states. We reached Mr Morgan in Tel Aviv Katie Hill is leaving Congress. But she's not going quietly today. The first term Democrat Democrat from California gave her final speech in which she lashed out at those she says launched a smear campaign against her leading to her resignation. Misheal recently stepped down in the face of an ethics probe into an alleged sexual relationship with a congre congressional aide which she denies she has however apologized for a relationship ship with another person a campaign staffer. Her resignation comes as she's going through an ugly divorce and has been dealing with the publication of explicit photographs and under final remarks came shortly after she voted to formalize the next steps of the impeachment investigation into US President Donald Trump. I am leaving now because of a double standard pandered. I'm leaving because I no longer want to be used as a bargaining chip. I'm leaving because I didn't want to be peddled. Papers and blogs and websites used by shameless operatives for the dirtiest gutter politics that I've ever seen and the right wing media to drive clicks and expand their audience by distributing intimate photos of of me taking without my knowledge let alone consent for the sexual entertainment of millions. I'm leaving because of misogynistic culture. That gleefully consumed zoomed my naked pictures capitalized on my sexuality and enabled my abusive acts to continue that abuse. This time with the entire country watching I am leaving because of the thousands of vile threatening emails calls and texts. That made me fear for my life and the lives of the people that I care about today. Day is the first time I've left my apartment since the photos taken without my consent were released and I'm scared I'm leaving because for the sake of my community thirty staff my family and myself. I can't allow this to continue because I've been told that people were angry when I stood strong after the first article what was posted and they had hundreds more photos and text messages that they would release bit by bit until they broke me down to nothing while they used my faults and my past asked to distract from the things that matter most. I'm leaving because there is only one investigation that deserves the attention of this country. And that's the one that we voted on today. Today I ask you all to stand with me and commit to creating a future where this no longer happens to women and girls yes. I'm stepping down but I refuse to let this experience scare off other women who dared to take risks who dare to step into this light who dare to be powerful. It might feel like they won in the short term but they can't in the long term. We cannot let them the way to overcome. This setback is for women to keep showing up up to keep running for office to keep stepping up as leaders because the more we show up the less power they have. I'm leaving but we have men who have been credibly accused of intentional acts of sexual violence and remain in boardrooms on the Supreme Court. In this very body body and worst of all in the Oval Office so the fight goes on to create the change that every woman and girl in this country deserves Democratic Congresswoman Katie Hill today in Washington making her final speech before stepping down His nickname is Putin chef. Russian oligarch mark you have Guinea pig. Oh Jin started his career as a hot dog vendor he eventually wound up doing the catering for the Kremlin. He became a billionaire businessman who maintains retains close ties to Vladimir Putin and he may be most notorious for funding and overseeing the Internet research agency the Russian operation that meddled in the 2016 in US election campaign now researchers say he's also behind vast online effort to meddle in the politics of eight different African countries. This week facebook facebook announced it had shut down three networks of accounts it says are associated with Mr Progestin. Shelby Grossman is a research scholar at the Stanford Internet Observatory Tori which helped uncover the online influence campaign. We reached her and Stanford California Miss Grossman. How vast was this online influence campaign that you uncovered my team at the Stanford Internet Observatory uncovered one set of the of the operation? Which I was an operation that was targeting Leah and that included twelve facebook pages but these spokane previously already been investigating getting other pages tied to Yevgeni Promotion and the operation in its entirety included dozens of pages and we analyzed allies? Seventy three of them the operation targeted Libya Mozambique Madagascar Democratic Republic of the Congo and Central African Republic. So how how did that campaign compared to say what you saw in the United States those efforts to metal in in the US campaign in two thousand sixteen so in some respects they are similar and in some respects. The strategies are different so some of the strategies that we saw being used in the operation against Africa included not just pages but also the creation of I use web sites in Sudan that were employing actual Sudanese reporters. They created telegram groups. There's a WHATSAPP group. There was actually a contest on one of the most within deep pages there were facebook live videos and like what we saw that Internet research agency doing in the US in two thousand sixteen we also saw the Chretien a Seemingly original country-specific means but I think one thing that's important to note And we saw this happening in the US as well. I think sometimes we have this idea again. Our heads of social media users uncritically just absorbing this information and what we saw happening in a lot of these pages were facebook users actually calling out stories as an being through. Now that's interesting. So what what kind. What some of the messages that were being uh-huh disseminated through these networks so it really varied across countries the twelve Libya pages included two pages that are best conceptualized as Ghaddafi daljit pages? So these were pages that tried to remind ordinary Libyans about how greetings were under Gadhafi and then every once in a while they would throw in post that were supportive of one of Gadhafi's surviving sons say fell Islam Gaddafi. Who's considered someone and who might run for for President one day so that's an example of Some pages that weren't necessarily fake news. But were hyper partisan and existed to support a particular stickler individual and then there were also pages that that did share fake news and Existed around a specific election so the Mozambique then big pages were created just last month and they existed to bolster the ruling party which won elections two weeks ago. What what were? The influence. Campaigns always necessarily aligned with the same politician or or political side of the equation. or or or did they did they move around and switch sometimes not not necessarily some of the teachers were clearly aligned with with Russian state interest rest for example Libya pages but then there were pages like the Sudan pages where they were very confusing and it was hard to figure out really what the agenda to was and then there were pages that seem to actually go against Russian state interests. So it's possible that in some of these instances promotion linked entities. These were maybe working on behalf of the Russian government and in others. Maybe they were working on behalf of progressions commercial mining interests in Africa So it was probably a a mix of those right. And how did you actually manage to link all of this to promotion. There were two strategies so for the set of Libya peaches the dossier center shared with us a weak internal wagner group document. The buckner group is is a company linked to promotion and in in that document wagner employees. Were boasting about having created these twelve Libya. facebook pages and facebook confirms that that those pages are linked to prochet entities and then for the rest of the pages we are relying on on facebook attribution using whatever standards. They're using right. Well tell me more about promotion. I mean what what is his interest in doing this kind of thing and Africa. Promotion is seamlessly Tuten Former chef she is a Russian businessman. He threw the Wagner. Group has sent mercenaries to fight in Libya and to the train militaries and other African countries and he also has has mining interests throughout drought African countries. Want you you discovered I'm curious. What kind of insight you think it gives you and and you know people doing the kind of work you're doing in to how Russia Asher might leverage disinformation or propaganda campaigns and other parts of the world? I think the most important take away that this research provides for other countries. Is that what we see happening is essentially the franchising of these disinformation campaigns. So there is some evidence that these promotion entities hired a digital marketing firm to manage the Libya pages. And so so. It's really hard to imagine how any ordinary citizen would've looked at these lithium pages and been able to find any link to Russia if you were to have taken advantage of peach transparency feature you would just a plurality of admins located in Egypt and so I think it strategies like that that we might see them using more going forward And I think that's important because these strategies actually make it really hard to identify disinformation campaigns and the actors behind them right and your organization of course work with facebook on uncovering these operations and facebook has now removed them from the platform form. But how proactive do you think the company really is being about dismantling disinformation networks. I think they are being proactive To emphasized we found one of Libya pages which then led to the discovery of the other Libya pages but they had previously been investigating dozens of these that. Were that were related. So I think I think they're actually being being quite proactive. Thanks so much for speaking with me. Things thing appreciate time. Shelby Grossman as a research scholar at the Stanford Internet Observatory. It's just published a new report. On Russian linked online influence campaigns in Africa we reached Shelby Grossman spend in Stanford California. If you're a kid and Montreal tonight you might feel like you're living in some alternate universe. While the rest of Canadian kids go door to door trick or treating reading. Montrealers are being told to stay home and delay Halloween by a day. That's because the weather has ignored treat entirely and gone for trick trick. There's pounding rain in the forecast and lots of it. Some parents are outraged at the idea. Postpone Halloween that's preposterous. But others. Like the idea. Yeah in fact Andrea Haid was one of the parents who suggested it in the first place and now she feels guilty. We reached Andrea Hade in Montreal Andrea. Does it feel a bit. Strange to celebrate Halloween in November this year. It's Unorthodox I guess but you know Halloween. He's not moving. I think the only thing that got requested to be changed as just the trick or treating aspect and this isn't this isn't of course some Halloween hoax correct. I mean gene tonight in Montreal. There really is no trick or treating as far as I know. I hope everybody got the message. So what prompted you to suggest the idea in the first place this week while I have always loved Halloween and I have a little boy and he loves it too so we made a costume for for him together in advance and a half made out of cardboard and paper so. I know that it's supposed to be really rainy tonight. And so yesterday I was just checking the weather like I typed in Montreal Halloween rain and one of the first articles that I see is that in another city in Quebec. They've postponed the trick or treating and and I thought well. Why can't we do that too? Then we wouldn't all have to be trudging through the mud and bumping are umbrellas together and just be miserable like why not do it the next day so changing it from from tonight to tomorrow night. Yeah as the weather forecast is saying that tomorrow. It's not supposed to be quite as bad as today and I don't can't believe that rain is being called for tomorrow night so you what did you do. You tweeted that that actual suggestion of moving at one day. Yeah I kept upped it short and sweet and I tweeted. The mayor and I did to cut some Hash tags on there. In case anyone wanted to find it and I guess people found it that they yes My reporter called me Sir. Talking about it and then he called the mayor's well I can't imagine that I'm the only wonder suggested it to her. But I guess the the request got to her and then she sent out tweets and started contacting the news to share the information. But how how did you feel. What was your reaction agent Immediately I was happy and surprised surprise because it. It happened so quickly. Well it happened quickly but it's also so quite amazing that you can put one tweet and then actually people answer it and listen to you that it doesn't feel like it happens every day. Now there there are plenty of people out there who are saying that. This just isn't right that it changes the natural order of things Some people are saying. It's like postponing postponing Christmas. What do you say to that? I can sympathize because if anyone has made plans and then that gets disrupted you know. That's a little bit too bad but I don't think it's comparable to postponing Christmas at all. Because we don't send kids out in costumes to go trick or treating on Christmas stay inside. We are also Canadians. And some of the criticism About Changing Do because of the weather is that it's is kind of wimpy. The lots of people have triggered treated in sub zero weather. So why can't handle bit of rain. Okay so I can remember trick or treating when I was a kid and it snowed and I had to wear my jacket and I didn't like that very much but nothing was going to stop me from trick or treating but the weather report is calling for up to ninety kilometer wins and quite a bit of rainfall and possibly flash flooding. So I understand going out if the weather's not great and I would but if there's flash flooding in my area I don't think anybody is going to be interested in going out and then it's just GonNa be a case of nobody gets the trick or treat you've also expressed regret since Since you made your suggestion on twitter why do you have regret simply because if people have made plans in store if they're working on Friday nights and they can't take their kids out like if it if it causes disruption in people's lives i. I can sympathize with them. I do think some of the kids will try to double dip. Go out trick or treating tonight and tomorrow night I wouldn't be surprised and it doesn't bother me. Okay Eh now you have you have a kid. And how does he feel about all this. I think he's pretty excited to put on a costume and get a lot of candy. Indiana I think beyond that. It doesn't bother him. I'M GONNA. I bought a big box of candy today so no matter what he's going to have some treats and I think he's going to be happy to you. Know Watch some Halloween in specials on TV and maybe bake some cookies or go trick or treating or whatever it is that we do. He's going to be happy right. And what is he dressed up as this year. He is dressing up as Yoshi which is a character from the Mario Games and his version of Yoshi will be dressed up as PUCCI which is a little dog that Yo she hangs out with in some games he plays awesome. Well Andrew. Thank you so much for speaking with me and happy Halloween. Thanks to you too bye. Bye Bye Andrea. Hade lives in Montreal. She all and that's where we reached. Her deadspin was nominally a sports site. But even if you went there to read about football you'd wind up. Reading cultural commentary irreverent political analysis. Or whatever else moved. Its talented staff to write earlier this week. Dead Spins interim editor in chief was fired for disobeying a directive from the sites new management a directive that essentially ordered writers to stay in their lanes now L. A.. Majority of Barry pitching staff have followed him right out the door until yesterday Laurel Wagner was a staff writer deadspin. We reached her in Brooklyn Laura. There's a lot to unpack in terms of what's been going on at deadspin but I wanNA start with the memo. That went out on Monday. What did it say? So the memo basically told all of deadspin Staff that we were to stick to sports and only post work on the site that directly actually related to sports So while I do think that can't be A broad umbrella it also really limits the scope of the vent has always done. And what makes that's been deadspin. So what happened. After you were told to stick to sports. We decided that we were going going to post a blog on the site. That didn't have anything to do with sports. I sort of direct action. We could take to push back against this mandate but then once we did put stories Both old and new on the site that were not directly related to sports our interim Ese. Very petrosky he was fired. Deadspin is a sports website. First and foremost so why was the dictate so objectionable to you and other writers that that you you had to stick to sports well we don't see it as a sport site. First and foremost I mean mostly what does been is as a place where writers can write about whatever they a care about. I think saying that it's a a sports site is kind of missing the scope of what's been as so. Can you give me a sense of the kind of Desmond. Content that falls goes outside the purview of sports. You mentioned a little bit but what what kind of stories have you done and others so I think some of the stories are comical. You know like Our one of our columnists to also resigned today drew mcgarry for example every year rates. A story called the haters Guy Williams sonoma where he kind of cheerfully mocks the various linens peppermint bark that Williams sonoma cells in their catalog looking at something that readers emails about for weeks leading up to Christmas being like. Oh where we're going to get the haters guide williams-sonoma We also do a lot of politics. It takes rating which has become even more important than grade. How the parent company shut down our companies politics sites winter just a few weeks ago and and besides that we do a lot of posts that has nothing to do with four all like writing about food and Just kind of whatever strikes fancy on given day now I in a statement issued today deadspin parent company Geo Media says that non-sports content simply isn't successful on the site in fact. The statement claims that post that weren't about sports accounted for less than one percent of traffic in September. What's your response to that? That is completely inaccurate. Statement The way that they are classifying sports post A. non-sports post is totally opaque to everyone who read that statement one of the examples that they gave in the statement as non-sports both was actually a explicitly about sports so I think that ah the idea that non-sports posed don't do well and that there is all fraction of the site is They're kind of picking and choosing their statistics. I have internal data from a few months ago. That show that the post on the concourse which is the non-sport sub vertical of what's been far outperformed the post. That directly are about sports. Can you tell me what some of the other issues were that you were objecting to that. That led to to so many the rudders resigning quitting going. Back to August I wrote a big report about how Jim Span Fowler. The CEO took over the company and then immediately went about hiring a bunch of his old cronies from mid two thousand four without posting the jobs publicly so we wound up with. It's a lot of people who are not qualified to do the job and we're incompetent which I wrote about in my report this is this. Is Jim Span Feller. Caller who who's of the private equity firm called Great Hill partners when when this all started when he took over back in April yes and what kind of people was he hiring Will he hired Paul Madman. Who is the editorial director? Who has done nothing to stand up for the newsroom Jim Span Fowler also hired a stable able of sales managers over various successful women who had been at the company without been interviewing those women for the position and beyond that is just strong? Sean A complete lack of awareness about how the company functions as what type of people are needed to lead it be successful lower. There seems to be a a total breakdown of trust here. What does this whole saga tell you about the direction of digital media the digital media landscape right now I think This scenario is just another example of how private equity is degrading digital media. The whole playbook book here is for the Private Equity Company to buy an asset to try to suck all of the money they can out of it and then solid. I think it's pretty clear that this was why they wanted to have this stick to sports mandate because it allows them to present deadspin as a clean asset and when they go to make their sales pitch for future buyers so I think it's another depressing example in a long series of how private equity is destroying media. You're fired editor in chief tweeted today that it's been like quote Getting to watch the eulogies at your own and funeral one at the past couple of days been like for you. It's been really sad. Dad's van is the best job I'll ever have love It's tough because you know for someone like me who doesn't have a family your mortgage. It was a tough decision but for my co workers who have. It's you know it's a it's a whole different Calculation for them so I just very grateful that we heard all together in this time and and I'm hoping that everyone lands on their feet. Laura thanks very much for speaking with me and best of luck to you and your colleagues. Thank you Laura Wagner. quit her job at deadspin yesterday. Along with virtually all the websites editorial staff we reached her in Brooklyn according to both Democrats and Republicans it was a sad day today in the US House of Representatives. Although they wouldn't agree on what exactly was sad about it. Broadly speaking they both say the source of the sadness was the impeachment inquiry into president. Donald Trump today the House voted to formalize the inquiry. Sorry and make it public so far. That process has taken place behind closed doors which has caused much consternation for Republicans but this vote allows for public hearings to take place allows the opposition to call witnesses and issue subpoenas no house. Republicans voted in favor but house speaker. Nancy Pelosi called on them to defend the constitution institution. Here's part of what she said after the vote today we move further down the path in our inquiry by putting forth our procedures which are very transparent transparent and open and frankly more transparent more open giving more privileges to the president and his argument given in the past so the argument that they're making on the floor is not a real. This is a sad day. It's a sad day because nobody comes to Congress to impeach a president of the United United States. No one we come here to do the work. Make the future better for our for our children for America's future we taken taken off to protect and defend the constitution and that's why we cannot ignore and we will not ignore when the president's behavior indicates that that investigation inquiries necessary. This isn't about anything personal with the president it isn't about politics it isn't about a partisanship. It's about patriotism. It's about patriotism and I would hope that Rather than protecting the president personally all of our colleagues would choose use to honor their oath of office to protect and defend not the president but the constitution of the United States but Republicans fired bucket. Pelosi reminding in her that it wasn't just Republicans who voted against the measure to Democrats. Did as well. Here's Minority House leader Kevin McCarthy in March of this year Speaker Pelosi. OC said this about impeachment impeachment is so divisive to the country that unless there's something so compelling an overwhelming and bipartisan. I don't think we should go down that path because it divides the country today. The country just witnessed the only bipartisan. Vote on that floor was against all the hearings. There's there's nothing compelling nothing overwhelming so speaker should follow her own words on what. Bipartisan vote on that floor. And in the sham that has been putting this country through this nightmare. That's exactly what this vote shows today. That's Republican Kevin McCarthy. Speaking taking after a vote that approved formalizing and making public the impeachment inquiry into President Trump When you think of some painters you imagine them in a beret sitting on worn stool calmly mixing colors on a pallet while appraising a bowl of exotic fruits? That's not the process you imagine for Jackson pollock not sure about the bray but he didn't just sit there. The American artist was known to lay his canvas on the floor. Heat stand over at pouring or splashing paint down Roberto's Zenit studied how Mr Pollock painted and now the Brown University engineering professor and his colleagues have released a paper about the physics. So the artists technique we reached Professor Roberto Zenit in Providence Rhode Island Professors Zenit. Why did you WANNA find out from a physics physics perspective? How Jackson pollock painted? The short answer is just curiosity. If you work in the subject of food mechanics like like I do and you see Jackson pollock painting. Because he's very well documented. It's impossible not to think about it in technical terms again in reality about these painting techniques that he manipulated the fluids in an expert way to produce the textures. That pollock is famous for for so it is for me. It's just a natural thing to do just to inquire what was he thinking. What was he doing he? He must have known something deeply about the the physics of the liquids even though he was not conscious about it because he did not have a technical training like we do engineers right so walk us through your study study. What were you looking for? Basically what we wanted to identify was the set of conditions under which Jackson got some political printed. If you look at the views Jews see that he moved his hand a certain speed and the hymie separated from the campus which is horizontal at a certain height and given the range of viscosity of the fluid reuse then the traces. This must have a certain threats ristic shape and that's what we did we did. We went and measure from the historical videos these action conditions. What we call? The action is the speed and height and we just assume certain violence of course if the we found that under those conditions they lines that he was drawing. We're essentially straight nights. Which is something somehow unexpected? Because if the fluid is very viscous when lance on a horizontal surface eat n-normally coils. I I don't know of you. Have enough. Served the quantity honey dripping on top of those when it outlines a he tries to flow. But it's too risk of that instead of just losing down it kind of twist around it. It coils and this is very well known tone flow it's called a coiling instability. It makes those little loops exactly exactly. Those groups are very characteristic. But what we found is he's that we. We concluded that politics actually eighties painting such that the loops would not appear so he somehow somehow he managed to avoid coiling instability forever. Think of those honey loops that way So how how did he he do this. I mean was there. was there some technique or bodily movement engaged in to avoid the coralling instability. Exactly what we interpreted purpose is that he probably like most artists. Most painters he went through a process of empirical testing and experimentation to into refined the technique and he would just do these in a in a in a certain again repetitive. Wait until he found the right conditions for him to gain the way he wanted. Because one of the peculiarities of Jackson pollock. He's he's very vocal. He likes to talk about his work and he was interviewed Batman many times and he wrote about it and he claimed that he had control of the pain of the technique that nothing was accidental. And that got it again that led us to conclude that he knew exactly what he was doing. You're not the only researcher to study. The physics is except pollock's paintings as unbelievable as that seems there has been research done on pollock in the past but they found something different from what you did or something opposing opposing. Actually that there is coiling instability in pollock's paintings. How how do you explain the difference in in your findings from previous research yet again like most scientific studies you always have to refer to what has been done before and this is what we did in order to to a certain what we found a we in addition to measuring the action movements of pollock? We conducted Suprema Terry experiment with simulated painting action in the lab. We set up device instead of a hand. We had a syringe and we move the ranger. A certain rate is such that we could replicate the conditions that look used to paint. The previous studies had conjectured that the pain filaments will coil but by this news from inflation and the new measurements of the painting. Actually we concluded the opposite what about authentication of art. Have you gotten any calls from our experts saying they. They want to employ you to see if they're real politics nut yet but yet for sure so you see a painting. Supposedly by Jackson pollock the has too many coiling pitchers in is probably not made by. How do you hope your research changes the way someone will look at pollock painting the next time? That would be amazing if I if anything I do it's It's a positive influence to anybody. Looking at. My job is accomplished but I would like it to be is that the people realize that physics is not as foreign as they think. It is to view of signed being hard and mathematical and not interesting but in fact everything that surrounds us is detained by the laws of physics. And you know even art and especially if you if you read the article so if you realize that if you understand fix you can understand many of the things in this case art then My job done I have Have exposed this idea to to somebody who probably didn't care much about sixty four that they made that rarely than I would be super happy professors on it. Thanks so much. I'll certainly be looking at art in a different way from now on. If you do then I would be very happy. I companies something best of luck and thank you very much. Thanks okay that was Brown University engineering. Professor Roberto Zenit in Providence Rhode Island. He's one of the authors of the study on the physics of Jackson pollock's painting technique. It was published yesterday in the Journal. Plus one if you'd like to see a video of coiling instability that he was talking about visit our website. CBC DOT CA slash. Ah UH-HUH On this Halloween night I offer a tale of inexplicable terrors in the small British British town of pluckily. A town whose bright charms concealed dark apparitions. The Phantom schoolmaster wailing spirits lost forever in the forest and into spectral high women seeking revenge on the living yet. There is another more earthly horror in this tale social discomfort recently gently to mark all hallows eve. The website can't online sentence intern. Rebecca toughen into that cauldron of the supernatural. 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"This means hello and welcome to the daily beans for Thursday February twentieth today. The Nevada presidential democratic debates are underway trump waves federal restrictions on border wall. Construction TRUMP THREATENS LAWSUITS OVER MUELLER PROBE REPUBLICANS. Beg for bar to stay trump named a new acting. Bni and some good news at the end. I'm your host Jordan Coburn with me today heels Amanda Reader Hello. There is no ag today. He's not feeling well. She's okay but she is taking a day herself to chill this yes. We supported us very much. We are in my apartment and I live on a street so you can probably hear a nice peaceful buzz of cars going by if you just listened anyway constantly. It is constant in my house that sound. I'll be up. We're posted my apartment a we're doing it on our own. Z's in our own place very exciting. We have like incense yes. There is one. Burn behind you. It's Himalayan salt lamp under that Buddhist flicking white girl yet tapestry. That is my house is probably what you would imagine. It was good heavy shit here. There's a lot of iffy should here. Yeah there's a big shark painting look very fun. Shall we hit those hot notes? Yes let's get right to the hot nuts notes all right so up. I two biggest news of the day is the democratic debates. And that's Those are going to be tonight if you're listening tonight as a patron tonight if you're listening as he played in tomorrow there's Day they've already happened yet and I think it's fair to say that this might be the most anticipated debate so far absolutely. Yeah because we finally get to see my Bloomberg on stage yet after. He effectively opted out campaigning. In the state to the first few primaries and caucuses wasn't even on the ballot at all and He's not on the Nevada bell either so he's gotten quite reputation for buying his way into the races on that are happening. Super Tuesday. Yeah interesting to see him to beating. Stay where he's not even eligible. He's not even on the ballot. Yeah do you remember. Joe Biden's reaction that I came out. He was like what he yeah. He's not even on the ballot. This is weird okay fine. So he's going to be there. It's it's just also funky. I can't the DNA fuck is very funky the DNC rule change shows makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. I mean it makes sense if you have a friend that you're trying to get into the election. I'm sorry I'm trying so hard to not be negative about any of the candidates. Doing a great job is just so fucking weird like I. I think that it's okay to have complex feelings about this like anyone's better than trump but to have bad feelings about someone who is doing things that we as progressives don't necessarily support yeah being said yes that being said best wishes be best but yeah Buddha. Judge clubs are burning album said last night at the presidential town hall. They all like did their own thing on CNN They all said that. They don't think Bloomberg should have the right to buy his way into the election so they're pretty pissed. Yeah everybody's very pissed about that lately. I think it's unfair and fucked up and They're really Jones convergence to attack him right now so by the way is worth so much money like sixty billion dollars or something. Sorry what was that. A six million is is what is what is what. Bloomberg is worth. Oh Jesus Christ yeah. They say that doesn't seem to be interesting. I think this is probably it's kind of a pivotal one right Because it's all about to change after Nevada after Super Tuesday like should getting really real so this is a really really important debate and I'm very curious to see what happens later. And by the time this airs for everyone what will have happened. But I'm I'm you know the thing is that people are GonNa want to go after Bloomberg but they're also going to need to go after Bernie but Bloomberg kind of proves Bernie's points in a Lotta ways so I don't know it's fascinating. I think for instance some extent. Yeah I think so too. It's just Y- Bloomberg has such a massive target on his back right now because he's got the target for multiple reasons one Like I said he's got that immense scrutiny on him due to all the money that poured into states last minute That looks like it's actually resulted in him. Surging some polls handsome very interesting some national polls. Yeah it's fucking weird Fucking weird. That's what's happening but yeah I think it's it's very sort of. I don't think anybody knows how to interpret it exactly I think it's kind of I don't want I don't know if it's I haven't been around long enough to say that this is unprecedented. But it seems like it is I know. Cabrera Bernie Bernie spent like ten million dollars on ads like TV ads. Bloomberg's put in like one hundred seventy four million. I think three hundred million three hundred million across. Maybe this was. Just an uncertain. Christ Yeah Oh yeah. Yeah Yeah Yeah just the scale. But he has putting into sin is not even comparable. It's just it's wild and it's working It is working. He also has a he really big target on his back for his really fucked up past policies in words that perpetuated racism and some pretty unforgivable ways but I guess that's the question can he be or will he be forgiven He certainly will not be forgotten because I have a feeling the word stop and Frisk and racism will be said many many times by all the candidates on that stage tonight. Yeah and he also has said some really crappy things about lgbt people and you know he's called transgender people as recently as a year ago. Jesus Christ I don't love that. Did he was he was he? How do you know the context that he was like? Yeah it was like being sarcastic or something. No he wasn't now either way. I think this was maybe only a year or two ago and he said you know in a race for a a presidential race. We shouldn't be talking about whether or not a man is wearing address. Or whether he she or it can use the bathroom. Something along those lines. It was really gross. And Yeah again. I maintain and he's probably less dangerous. Donald Trump and you know of course we will use this platform to support the Democratic nominee. Yet it's hard for me to to throw my support behind someone who says things like that. Yeah in the very recent past yet. It does kind of feel like meteor like a little bit Just kind of how fast and how hot is coming in. It's like war where it wait. Where's this coming from? No one was not prepared for this. I guess it was just like I mean Darkwa is definitely the wrong word. 'cause I feel like a dark horse candidate is usually someone that you're like her. I like an underdog. Yeah yes underdog. Actually where where it's like. I don't know if I'm on a Horse Museum Pegasus that God has seemingly lifted up in these times it is really hard to strike that delicate nuance right between like understanding that that anyone is better than trump and that in that and also I think too with Bloomberg coming in and make some of the people who've been calling much. More centrist seem a little bit less centrist. It's all about perspective. Yeah Biden's like calling him or he right. I'm life caboodle. Judge thank you. We have these people these folks. They seem like yeah very very liberal. When compared to some of the policies that Bloomberg put out a lot of noon I have made our bar political stances somewhat clear and so it. Yeah we're more centrist. Now give you some perspective on being like Maybe not as much Yeah yeah he is just like and like He just means so many shitty comments like when they when they stopped Redlining right like not being able to deny like housing loans right to people of Color. Essentially he said that like when that happened when that change happened. That's what contributed to the great recession and stuff. It's just like fucking incredibly inexcusable. Things that he said that he is out of touch with working people. It would seem yeah working. People people color like you said. Lgbtq folks just really. I don't know it's like I'm not even these are not even opinionated. Things that I'm saying right now. I guess you could probably tell them my pin is but but then these are objective. Things you know. And so he objectively has said these things and then these things and I think he has a objectively more problematic past right now than any of the candidates sutter on that stage. It would seem. Yeah it would seem especially when you rope in his relationship with like trump kind of over the years that people are starting to. I'm not I'm not throwing that shit out there saying that. They have some kind of like deeper ties. That's not what I mean to say. But you know. Cnn and other major media news outlets are reporting stuff like did the. He wants said that he was like a trump guy or so some shit. I don't know that's just. He's just getting attacked for that point. I think look I think whether it's like it or not to what extent it's true. I have no idea. And I'm not trying to perpetuate stuff that I don't know if it's like truly been corroborated so given the other candidates that we have running it's clear that for you and Jordan this is not our favorite outcome Mil So it's not any of the other day like no the fact that there's a candidate that's about to be on the stage. All the candidates are banding together. Essentially to be like fuck you dude. Fuck this shit. Yeah I think that means something to and I think that for that reason it is okay for us to to to back them up and with them. Yeah like Yup. I think so too. Yeah I it it. It's yeah. Yeah how are the? How are the voters of Nevada? Supposed to feel tonight as I ask these questions you know right and we can actually didn't give a shit about our state so exactly then it's like I don't even really want to hear your answer. 'cause I couldn't even vote for you if I wanted to write his just very strange. Very strange that's enough bloomer. Talk of course Bernie also has a huge target on his back. Because he's like the front runner like double digits front runner. He's looking in credibly solid going into Nevada. He's GonNa get a lot of shit for that but also for his health. That's a huge thing. People are talking about last couple of days because in his town hall yesterday he was like. Yeah. I'm not going to release more medical records ever released enough and some people are like well. That doesn't work for us. Yeah so he's getting a lot of shift for that How do you feel about that? I feel like he's really stood up. I mean his National Press Secretary tweeted out like that he had shared sufficient records. And I don't know I'm looking around the country. He seems fine to me. I would rather I would rather have two weeks of a sanders administration than anything else. People say he'd better I was just GonNa say also I will say I have seen some warrant supporters very ripening angry about the fact that she's been left off of some of the polls released recently with general matchups between trump so some media electa it's like closure versus trump Buddhadev versus trump Bloomberg's is trump sanders versus trump. Leaving her off. That's fucked up. It is and so it's like just because she hasn't done incredibly well in the first two states her supporters are saying like hey like you're starting to write if our campaign and ignore us. Yeah cool before it's due So Yeah Shitty that I noticed and at a time when the field is like you know pretty well established and as small as it's ever been to so that's incredibly noticeable. Yeah that's messed up. Yeah Yeah we'll see what happens You Know Blake. I'm very curious to see what happens in this debate. And then how what happens in Nevada? Yes I think there's going to your home state Homestay there's GonNa be a lot of I mean rule. Ninety one was just the most tragic thing that's ever happened in that city. So there's going to be so many questions I think centered around gun control for sure because it's a really Nevada especially Las Vegas. Yeah I grew up in Las Vegas during the debates. And it's like it's such an interesting group of people there's a decent amount of liberal people there like a pretty decent amount but then there's also it it almost has like a yeah. It has a country. Western vibe like like a desert country Western vibe. Sorta thing where it's a lot of like dirt biking and guns and triple state. There's a lot of that stuff but then there's a lot of complex people that live there that have some of that and some of this you know and I think There are a lot of really really amazing democratic politicians. That have come out of that city Harry Reid and third so many. There's a lot of blue support there But I think yeah. The questions that they ask tonight are going to be representative of the population there. Yeah especially and also on snow in mind that it's thirty percent. I think thirty percent of the Democratic primary voters there are Latino ten percent black. So it's it's so much more diverse than the states we've previously seen yet is a real diversity. Yeah Yeah I think. And there's a lot of there's like a lot of it. Wealth inequality in that city to and that's generally reflected in the questions that are asked to this is about the economy and everything The ad it's such an interesting city so it'll be great debate. I'm excited. I'm very excited. Mostly as he how Bloomberg. No-one dragged the PODCAST OR AG for Jordan personal opinions about any of these things. No yes that always goes without saying yes. This is are the bosses away but yeah. The caucuses are three days away. It really looks like Bernie is GonNa take it not just saying that that is. That's what the best policy us but we'll see what happens and I mean who knows. There could be like some crazy. Snafu that happened. I don't know I did see some representatives from the Iowa site leader for the Caucasus. Who was like this might be fucked up just so you know like like like mess like they mess like like. I can't remember what the guys name was but I saw him. Msnbc or something and he was saying we were supposed to be. You know be shown technology to help us with this thing or this thing and we weren't shown it and we're behind information and so there's a I mean I think that there are people out there who are preparing us for the possibility that there's going to be more tomfoolery. Leanna fooling me anyway yeah. That's maybe caucuses need to be done away with. Yeah it seems hard to believe if this steph continues to happen then caucuses will continue right. Yeah I remember learning about it as a kid being like I mean. I think that's mostly everyone's reaction just what yeah. Okay it's Kinda strange Yeah there's a lot of like early caucus voting that's happened in Nevada uh-huh and that's interesting to me. I wonder if the lot yeah really. High amounts early voting in Nevada. I wonder if there's anything to be said for the psychology of like not having the physical presence there and just having done by essentially paper voting. Because you know pointed. The pockets pointed the pockets. Point of the caucus are a point of this is every go is to persuade the people around you. I'm curious you know just. Psychologically this isn't quantifiable unfortunately but to see if that actually has some sort of a subconscious offensive operations in the cockpit. Yeah like if you are. If you don't feel like you're being shamed by people around you that new do it ahead of time. Yes or like. If it's yeah ten people you know yelling at you instead of like twenty. Which one is more persuasive? Yeah not yelling all right. I'm sure it's all Nice But yeah and then Just last kind of little tidbit that I think is interesting that I saw just in the whole debate. News trump came out and said that he thinks Came out is like a weird way to say it was one of his like yellow reporter comments not yellow copter. A different yell in a room But he said the DNC is things DNC is gonNA steal the nomination for Birdie. Basically is what he said. And I'm not sure what his angle is on saying that yeah well. I think it's to depress voter turnout onto discourage people from showing up young people angry. They're also a lot of people that are like Bernie or trump people which is so fucking there are there are there. Is that group of people. Yeah you don't think it's as I don't think it's huge but it does exist it does exist and I don't think it's huge either but whether it's people that are burning trump people or maybe people that are just burning people. I wonder if yeah part of his angle was. Let me say something. That's going to ring true with these supporters. Maybe they'll be more sympathetic to me if I say that. Yeah as opposed to voting for you. Know like a Bloomberg boost. Yes something burning doesn't get the nomination. Maybe trump is thinking these people remember that I said then and then they'll come and vote for me. Yeah even if they don't currently identifiers Bernie or trump people who knows and interesting. 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More people over the muller pub gravely maybe according to his tweets great so on Tuesday or yesterday for us right now trump said he was going to order lawsuits quote unquote all over the place for Doc. I ordered. He's all over the place. Jamie pollock those lawsuits for claims. He incurred for for damages. He claims he incurred during former special counsel. Robert Muller's investigation in a tweet thread which I love saying in reference to the president. Our Dear Leader said these muller prosecutors and the whole Mueller investigation was legally setup based on a phony now fully discredited fake dossier lying and forging documents to the Fisa court and many other things. I'm glad he's saying new thing. Everything having to do with this fraudulent investigation as badly tainted and in my opinion should be thrown out. He then went on. What do you mean? What does he mean thrown out? Yeah what what. What does that even mean? I guess like if he's talking about like the Stones Duffin manafort style or is he talking about the investigation as a whole he. I think that it well okay. I'm a little bit more okay. So he then went on to accuse me of lying before Congress when he told lawmakers he did not interview with trump to apply for the job of FBI director tweeting. The whole deal was a total scam. If I wasn't president I'd be suing everyone all over the place. But maybe I still will witch-hunt. Oh my God yeah. So these tweets all came on the same day in which trump declared himself the quote unquote chief law enforcement officer in all the land. Those and announced all the controversial pardons. We talked about on the show yesterday which we aptly called. Pardon Palooza it's also worth noting that two of the attorneys who prosecuted the stone case. Who trump just meddled in where previously investigators on the special counsel. I'm waiting on real torey much waiting on bill bar to follow trump's lead in announced unjust legal action on people connected to the muller pro now because despite his public scolding of the President Trump tweeted Friday that he has the quote unquote legal right to demand that Bartik action in a federal criminal case but that he quote unquote chooses to stay out of it. Okay Bro Restraint. That's what I think of when I think of Donald Trump westering mazing restraint patients. Yes decision making. Yeah so that's just some news on a fun little red. Yeah well we'll see I mean the thing that's scary about that. Is he could totally do that. Yes so we were laughing but it's not funny right because we left so we don't cry e-eh definitely and especially I mean know that there's that whole Taco bar resigning or whatever and we'll get into that later but assuming he stays he will do whatever the fuck trump wants So yeah that's what makes it scary. Yup It's not just a tweet. It is not just a tweet no In other trump news this time to do with the border in news. It shouldn't shock anyone. Given his appreciation for lawlessness. Trump is waving otherwise strict rules on government procurement in order to get more of his wall built faster and appease more of his base ahead of the two thousand twenty election the Department of Homeland Security said on Tuesday that one hundred seventy seven miles of wall. A distance that includes stretches of the border in California Arizona New Mexico and Texas. We'll be able to be built faster. Because of these waivers that trump has announced the waivers affect things like requiring open competition and justifying your selections Working closely with the Army Corps of Engineers and the Department of Defense and the Department of Homeland Security the Department of Homeland Security is exercising. Its congressionally granted authority to waive procurement regulations in six high-traffic border sectors. Which will allow us to use already. Vetted inexperienced contractors to build additional one hundred and seventy seven miles of new border wall system. D H s spokes person Heather Swift said and acting acting Homeland Security Secretary Chad Wolf Grad Chad Wolf announced and that sounds like Vauxhall Events Fox and friends is basically just like how the trump administration does. It's press announcements yet. Just one one hour at a time. Right Chad Wolf said that. He's able to order such waivers under a two thousand five law that grants. The chief considerable purview to waive laws for building border barriers for national security rights. It's worth noting however that while such waivers have been used before to skirt around environmental impact reviews. This is the first time they have been used to fully sidestep federal procurement laws. According to the hell so the. White House now expects that ninety four miles border wall will be able to be constructed this year bringing the total to almost four hundred and fifty miles trunk. Trump took office so. I'm really glad we're speeding up. This process a racist can work quickly lobe native burial grounds right like the ones that are currently blowing up in organ pipe. Cactus National Monument and related to that Ted Norris Jr. the chairman of the fuck this up to hone oh oho ODEM nation Said the entire project was senseless destruction of ancestral land and said they were adamantly opposed to the construction of the fortified border wall. Which were Iraq readily Blah Blah Blah? Well doing great yeah. It was hard and cultural sites secret sites and the environment. It is all the more tragic that billions of taxpayer dollars are being wasted on an empty campaign slogan that will do little to address. Border Security Challenges. God that's really Saturn. Exactly what he said he was GONNA do. Yeah fuck taking away all the regulations So there's that yeah well you know. He couldn't get his wall built without doing that So I guess the only way to build walls to tear down the lot of the wall of laws the Law Wall Wall. The law wall moving on. Yeah Yeah. Let's not dwell on that depressing. Yeah I think It is dwell. Just I say please. It's your show twelve the border especially being in San Diego. It's like our neighbor and they're such fucked up stuff happening there every single day. Annalong borders all around the United States. But there is so much so many scary scary really really sad things happening all the time. It's like you someone tweeted at. Hey guys can you cover you know? Can you please continue to cover? What's happening at the border? They sent us pictures. They were there at the border. And it's like kids literally in shackles and just the conditions that they're in his inexcusable. And Not Okay and not representative of the American dream in any way whatsoever in the fact that you know it's like yeah something I'd we will do. A bigger block on it You know but not today but another day but it's happening every single day and it's really really tragic and I would say though that one of the great things about living in San Diego is guess we're so close to all of this like pain family separation but we are also in a city that is filled with a lot of amazing people of color and a lot of immigration activists and a lot of a lot of human rights activists. Yeah here which is which is an amazing thing. Yeah they're inviting every single day like with everything they have. Yeah so yeah. That's something that I feel very grateful to be near and I'm glad that I live in such a diverse city I think that living in really diversities over the last decade has really shaped who I am as a person so I feel lucky to live in saint for that reason. Yeah totally yeah. There's a lot of really great organizations here that are doing like you said all their own grassroots work and doing it amidst you know people fighting back not wanting them to do it. For example we've talked about the folks that leave water in the middle of the desert because people just die. They're on their track and people tried to say they're not allowed to do that. And it's disgusting. The amount of fights that they have to push through to even be advocates because the government isn't doing the job that yes that they have that they're supposed to be doing which is literally yes making it so people don't die trying to cross over here. It's unnecessary cruelty. Yeah it really is but you're totally right. There's a lot of amazing resources in San Diego. There's a lot of really great some incredibly uplifting moments like I've there's like networks of people all over the country to that don't live close to the border dinner helping connect people like. I've seen so many stories of Someone like Hey. This person is looking for you know like a house to crash in while they're figuring out the immense amount of paperwork and legal battles that they have to go through and I've seen people connect people with homes and and families be like you know relocated to places that are safer and there's there's so much good work but there's still so much bad bad bad horrible things happening so Donate ten your Eyes Open. Keep Your Eyes Open donate will do a better job at continually the and I hope that Anna and I actually hope that by the time that this episode areas that maybe there's going to be a question asked about this at the Nevada debate. It's important and I hopefully given the electorate there it will be. It will be a an issue. Yes talked about. Yeah Definitely Yeah. Thank you so much. Yeah your fantastic reporting thank you. Yes thank you. Okay my block part of this dock bar story It never ends Senate Republicans. Okay so you know how bars been the. There's all talk about him. Potentially you know resigning Which is to be determined if it's genuine or not? There's different theories on that but I don't think he's GonNa yeah I don't know but apparently Senate Republicans are crying for Barter. Stay saying that it's virtually impossible to get to seat a a g and to get them confirmed in anyone that replaces bar won't do as good of a job as far as doing pursuing trump's agenda bars allegedly considering resigning but there's a lot of different theories and skepticism like I said around what's really going on there This is a statement by Senator John. Cornyn Cornyn from Texas. He said the president does have a tendency to lash out and I think in this case he would be well advised to try to temper that because I think bill bars is best path on seeing that justice is done in terms of all of these various investigations including the counterintelligence investigation and elite up to the Miller report discussing. I hate hearing that. I hate hearing all of this. But Republicans are really hoping that he can just stay third till the twenty Tony Election's over because basically What it sounds like is confirmations are really contentious and there are some pretty vulnerable. Republicans that are trying to keep their seats in the fears. Basically that their vote and how that process goes the confirmation process That could affect their reelection campaigns. So you know selfish reasons. Of course they say it's for trump's agenda but really it so they don't have to like you know speak with their own mouth and their own brain because that opens them up to scrutiny and they don't like Yeah they just want to join this wave of you know the Republicans and never have to actually come out and stand for anything because when they tried to stand for something. That's anything involving a nuanced opinion. I guess it is a go well for them. 'cause that's not something that's rewarded the Republican Party. No one likes that thinks for themselves Bar apparently chatted with Lindsey Graham yesterday but he said that he has no plans to leave his post. When he talked to Lindsey Graham. So I think you're right. I don't think he's going anywhere. I think this is just like yeah. I mean the whole if it is a scheme the scheme will be revealed. I think eventually but I I don't think I definitely don't think that he's GonNa leave. I don't I just don't see how that would make any sense Finally Richard Grenell is going to be named that acting deny it looks so you know how we were talking about. Maguire's time getting up His deadline to get the fuck out coming up. And everyone's wondering which I was going to do well. Richard Grenell seems to be the guy. He's a trump loyalist and what he has not served in any intelligence agencies ever. Wow so the director of national intelligence is going to be someone with zero intelligence experience great and it was one thing when it was the head of our education department. Ride someone that had no public. Ed Experience this is now someone that is going to be leading. You know everything that essentially keeps us safe. It's incredibly concerning. Yeah Yeah it's exactly what I think we've come to expect so maybe this piece of news and like a huge blow necessarily To to our ears but because it's just so predictable but it's it's really really bad. It's really fucking bad Olive is continuously bad. We have good news coming up. We do have a lot of good news coming out. Yeah but but yeah I think you can expect that guy to get confirmed on. Or he doesn't have to get confirmed he just gets to be named. How does that Larry Go? That's what's GonNa Happen Friends Jordan here. This episode of the daily beans is brought to you by native deodorant. It is nearly impossible to find you and rent. That's aluminum free but still effective. Almost every conventional deodorant contains aluminum which forms a plug in your sweat glands to keep from sweating and may be linked to serious health issues he ex but natives deodorant is made without aluminum parabens or south. Instead it's formulated with safe natural ingredients like coconut oil and shea butter. It's also Vegan and never tested on animals making the switch to an aluminum. 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Deodorize DOT COM and use Promo Code daily. Means you'll be glad you did all right. Welcome back everybody. It's time for a good news block. We made it. We made it take it away already. Okay good news so I got I got. I got a little bit So ten Reuters has conducted extensive review of pulling data and has found that interest in voting in twenty twenty is surging in urban areas dominated by Democrats faster than in trump supporting areas Lilia so even as trump commands rock solid support among Republicans voters interest in going to the polls appears to be growing faster among those who disapprove trump than those who approve of him. The advantage and urban political engagement extends deep into the most competitive battleground states that trump won by razor thin margins. One factor that led to trump's defeat of Hillary Clinton in two thousand sixteen was lower turnout in mid western cities such as Detroit and Milwaukee. But there are indications that trend is reversing for years later in large urban areas of the upper midwest a region that includes swing states like Michigan and Wisconsin for example the number of people who said they were certain to vote in the upcoming election. Rose by ten points positive. This is good news. It's working. We love hearing that can happening. And everybody's doing you know you see this blue wave thing a lot and I just try to believe it. Yeah yeah believing that blue. Oh absolutely so. Yeah so. That's good news so city cities that where we need people to show APP. It's it looks like voter turnout's GonNa Increase Right. Yeah so it's it's it is really good news. I mean this poll suggests that people in cities where we need people to show up in big cities where instincts were trump on the last time people are going to show up and vote in bigger numbers this time. So that's really encouraging to me and makes me feel happy. Puts a tiny serotonin. In my brain yes serotonin towed let could yes. Yes I think That makes sense to when you just think about four years of this president and how his policies have consequences well and in his tone in his dogma in the worst way has effects on everybody and it has effects on the American psyche that I think are undeniable. Just outside of you know whatever policy being talked about. There's a tangible difference in the atmosphere in this country. Now because he's the president absolutely. It's embarrassing first off for our country it's harmful to a lot of people Arguably you know everybody that's not profiting off of whatever whoever he's bed with but it's really really encouraging. That's an awesome story. I have one more for you. This is a kind of I've I worked in tech on for a lot of the last decade into this one is a personal interest. Me We talk a lot about how silicon valley's like Uber Capitalist. But actually the the workers a kickstarter have created the first Tech Industry Union. Oh yeah so. They made history on Tuesday when they voted to unionize making them the first in the industry to do so marking a huge grassroots victory milestone tech workers in the tech industry. That is very cool. He's cool Kickstarter united is the first unit. White-collar fulltime workers in the tech sector and includes designers writers engineers and software developers so following along fight to form a union through the Office of Professional Employees International Union. Kickstarter workers plan to head to the to the table to with management to discuss pay equity diversity in hiring et. Cetera ET CETERA. But this is exciting because you know industries like the video game industry in the tech industry are in desperate need of some regulation. There's a lot of abuse of workers in in those industries so that was really encouraging community and You know I hope that I in response to this. More tech companies and more video game companies will start treating their workers with more respect. Yeah that's incredible. I worked in a little bit as well and I am not gonNA say Where I'm not trying to ship everything but I will say that especially fresh out of college workers yet big it exploited as fuck in a lot of companies. I mean I've had to say in interviews before No I'm not going to work sixty hours a week for you for that amount of money. Right they get you yet a salary that is like below thirty thousand dollars sometimes. And you're expected to put in over forty hours a week. It's pretty crazy and that's awesome. Yeah yeah and that's Duffy I mean startups. Startups are obviously all told by nature. And I think that that's why they've been able to get away with that for so long because startup. You're right. Yeah Yeah exactly. Yeah I think it's for the for the medium to large tech companies so very exciting. So hopefully that marks this marks a bit of a sea change but yeah that's awesome. I have one good story. Okay So this broke today. Eleven circuits upheld. A broad interpretation of Florida Rian Franchise Law that says states cannot require fines before registering those unable to bay. So that's yeah so that's that's a win. Four orders yes. Yes when for voters It happens to come one day after the registration deadline to vote in the primaries though one day after yeah. So that's a bummer. And I'm sorry that I let that slip into the quick a personal story. Just a personal story I What is the personal good story? I bought my dog. I have a video of my dog wearing a dinosaur onesie. That is a great story. A Good Story. That is fantastic. Share it that the daily Deans pod. Twitter I'm going to Disneyland on Friday with my little sister. That news agency the New Star. Wars yes fuck Ya fuck. Yeah we are the most Disney bitches. Family it is bad. 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What They Should Have Taught Us in School But Didnt

Don't Keep Your Day Job

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What They Should Have Taught Us in School But Didnt

"You do not have to know it. All you do not have to have it all together. In order to start the clarity does follow the action. I believe that the opposite depression it's not happiness process. I believe that every single person has something needs needs to contribute to the world and that's why I wanted to create a show called. Don't keep your day job. Don't keep your day job is about figuring out what it is that you you're do in this world that only you can do to make the world more whole more beautiful and to stop selling yourself short. Stop sitting it out and to figure out how to take this thing love whether whether it's part of music screenwriting or dance of faking and how do you believe this thing that you love into a life that you get to contribute that you get to do you love fulltime right because it's not just about business. It's about contribution. It's about meaning. That is what we seek. Not As what we truly want absolutely are here to serve the world rolled and I want to help them figure out just how much value you have inside of you and every single week. We're going to be talking to people who have something to add to help you. Get Out of your way to help you be more successful to help you be the truest expression of you. My name is Cathy Heller. I'm so glad that you're here. Let's dive in thanks to honey for supporting. Don't Oh keeper digital. Honey is a free browser add on that finds me the best deals online. It's free to use and easy to install on your computer and just two clicks so shop with confidence. Get honey for free at joint honey dot dot com slash dream job. We're also brought to you by native native makes safe simple effective products that people use the bathroom every day with trusted ingredients entrusted performance for twenty percent off your first purchase visit native the other dot Com and enter Promo code dream during checkout also thanks to Peleton work up a good sweat at home for less than the cost of a studio class right now. Peleton has unlimited offer get one hundred dollars off accessory awesome when you purchase the Peleton bike and get a great cardio workout at home go to one PELETON DOT COM and use Promo code dream job to get started. Thanks to kettlebells kitchen for supporting. Don't keep your day job kettle. Oh kitchen knows that meal planning isn't one-size-fits-all which is why they offer a personalized solution go to KETTLEBELLS KITCHEN DOT com enter code dream job for fifty dollars off your first two orders new customers. Only hey guys Kathy Heller. Welcome back to another episode of don't Keep Your Day job. I hope you guys had a great weekend. I was just repeating someone something that my sister in law said to me and it's really been sticking with me and I wanted to share with you. She was talking about this beautiful piece of visual art that she made and she said there are things that you feel you just have to make and she said and I've always known that if there's something I feel that I have to make then they'll be someone on the other side someone who needed me to make that thing someone who this thing will resonate with and I thought Gosh that's so true on both fronts like the way. She said that there are things things that you know you have to make. Sometimes it's a song you have to write. Sometimes it's a play. You have to write sometimes. It's this new business yes. That's just been keeping you up at night and you just know you have to put it out. There and I guess that's part of why I shared that chapter last week where I read to you about Martha back in in her research and it really is really is incredible. Isn't it like she has three Harvard degrees and she's a sociology professor and of course she became a life coach and she she's even Oprah's life coach but she talked about and I read some of the steel. This was on her interview where she just was fascinated. At how many people she met in the world who did things they didn't like doing and she just couldn't believe it like people who had choices who chose to do things that they didn't love doing and there are things that we know we have to make and what's incredible is that when we trust it and we step into that place things just unfold they really do. There's a reason and that we feel the call to make something whatever that thing is and it's sort of like there's clues along the way once we start down that path and then we are led to exactly where we're supposed to be so. I hope that you continue to hear that in the stories that we share on the show and that it gives you permission to go make that thing even and if it sounds like this quote unquote crazy little idea. I also just want to say a huge. Thank you because we saw a few hundred people bought books last week and it means so much to me. I know that we have hundreds of thousands of subscribers end so it can feel like you know a drop in the ocean but it's really not <hes> because we actually are really close to hitting our goal. We don't need hundreds of thousands of people to buy the book in order to be a bestseller and I just so appreciate you know. We've tried so many different ways to offer different things in exchange for you buying the book and what really touched me. Is that the thing that seems to move you. The most is just when I say say I really need your help and I want this book to matter and I want people to hear these words and I want these words to resonate in people's hearts and I need your help and and because I asked for help you answered and it just means the world to me so I just want to say a huge. Thank you for that. I do not take for granted and I think that you're GonNa love this book and and if you haven't bought the book already please do it. Helps me more than you could ever imagine and in exchange for not only do you get the book and the satisfaction of knowing that you're going to help me beyond that same shelf with all the New York Times bestsellers like I said before like if you believe that you know this podcast has been worth fifteen or twenty dollars value if you you believe that I deserve to be on the same shelf with Rachel Hollis and Michelle Obama. That's big company but <hes> if you feel like these words matter than pleased lease buy the book and just to say an extra. Thank you anyone who buys the book were just giving you as many perks as we can and I will be doing a live workshop for five days. It's an immersion immersion. I'll be showing up for five days. Live starting September sixteenth for anyone who buys the book and if you can't make it live we'll replay so go ahead. You can go to don't keep your day job dot com slash book and you can buy the book and then sign up for the free workshop. Which is yours when you buy it so thanks again all right so since it's September and everyone's going back to school. I thought we should look at this theme of what are the things that they don't teach you in school. We did a series of last year <hes> <hes> and if you haven't heard that already we did a couple episodes around this time in September of like some of the things that we think are so crucial that now I'm looking back. I'm like I can't believe they. Don't teach this in school but this year I wanted to share some more advice some different things from pass gas to really highlight what I think are the most essential lessons like what does it really take to build a fulfilling filling life to create a successful great career and to craft a life that really feels in alignment like you're waking up living life on your terms and sadly I feel pretty certain certain that people are not learning this in the classroom so I wanted to share this so let's get into it all right. I just WanNa address the fact that in a typical academic classroom we're not encouraged to take risks. Were told that if we were to dry outside the lines are we don't follow the rules or going to fail and I think this is such a problem because it's instilled in us this belief that we wanna start anything in life. We really must know that. Perfection is something that is a non negotiable and if it's not going to be perfect and we shouldn't really begin at all but some of our guests have definitely told you differently so let's take a listen to what the incredible. Seth Godin has society about this getting out of about to start is the first job start ice merely start. You don't have a permanent record that you have to worry about that. If you look at the original work of Jackson pollock or the original work of Richard Serra or the original work of Jeff Koons it was lousy lousy lousy lousy. It doesn't have to be lousy. I I love this. Stop Planning. That's number one number two. I wrote a book about quitting called the Dip dip and what that book says is. It's easy to start and most people quit at the same moment they start to Jim. In January. They quit in February. They start premed but they quit at organic chemistry. You need to know where the quickpoint is because people have come before you you see where it is and before you begin acknowledge that that's the quickpoint and make sure you have enough resources to not quit then. It's okay to quit by not starting. It's okay to quit after you've made it through the quickpoint but to quit and the dip to quit in the moment when everyone else's quitting is just wasting your time it's predictable you don't need to do that okay and so there is a journey to get from here to publish novel or to get from here to to a successful career as a craftsperson figuring out where that moment is when most of the people give up make sure you've laid in enough resources that when net moment hits you don't freak you say. Oh yeah this is that moment I've been waiting for. I will batten down the hatches and make it through. This cause on the other side is were scarcity lies is the other side is where it was worth the journey. Now I know it can be really scary to start on that screenplay or the painting or the podcast especially when you feel like this is way way <unk> outside your comfort zone and you already have thoughts at tell you things like who am I to do this. I'M GONNA fail. What's the point but this clip is so important. This is the incredible incredible Jensen Shero who wrote the book. You are bad ass. This is going to help you realize how it's actually kind of silly Russell. Listen to those fears. Fear is for suckers because because we participate in willingly and we give it all of our power sometimes until we don't so you know I have a quote in the new book that says when you come to fear you are under the illusion that you can predict the future. What is that about how because thing about how many times when you succumbed to fear. You're like I'm too. I'm scared if I invest my money in my new business. It's going to tank and I'm going to be broken living being with my parents for the rest of my life right. That's your fear so you don't do it. You don't take leave. You thought you predicted the future by fear is true. Thank you you know what's GonNa Happen Right. So how many times have you been so scared of something so so scared new did it anyway and it wasn't really that scary now so many times so that's why fears and in also it's not about it not being scared all the damn time but so what. I'm going to you know am I. GonNa let feared put its foot in my face arm. I going to do it. You know I'm going to do it anyway. It's like you can't go through life hoping that you're avoiding fear yeah because it's always gonna be there. It's it's about moving past it. Yeah I mean I feel like it's about just tolerating it because it's I don't know if it ever goes away and this goes back sort of to what you say in Chapter Eighteen with procrastination and perfection because I feel like there's so much good stuff and it never sees the light of day because people over think it and they're not ready and they're not producing enough and it's just because they're uncomfortable like everyone feels right inadequate eight so how do we how do we get through that that procrastination and the perfection that loop will when you start to understand that that's all fear based progress issues because you're scared to move forward perfectionism same exact thing. I mean I I believe in making things good good but come on people <hes> when you understand that what your fear actually is a magnificent compass pointing in the direction of everything you desire ooh because if you're warren scared you're doing something wrong. If you want to change your life because everything you've done to create the life you have now is familiar and not scary so you better be scared if you. WanNa change so good and I just love how my friend Susie more approaches fear. She's a writer coach and she. He has an amazing piece of advice on what to do. When you're facing something that scares you but do you say to a person who has that feeling of like I would never be able to know what to say. How would I come up with an idea for content content so I'll have to of course I admired impulses injuring contend with every day like to play with it. Sometimes if I feel afraid or something biggest coming up with something new unlike yeah POPs up on like is that all you got come on. Throw it at me. Lay gave it you. If you think something eight call. The resistance goes away like you just you see yourself into a good place now. If you remember my conversation with Amber Ray who's incredible artist and she's also the author of the book. Choose wonder over worry. She's a great exercise on dealing with the parts of yourself that are so anxious or keeping you stuck. Take a listen. My new favorite exercise and technique is I creak characters around the voices in my head then so I have like a grace the perfectionist which is this study. Something British woman who has from non Din wants everything very can you you be that really well. My Grandma's British darts handling. I have anxious Annie. I've deputy doubter and I I have depressed susie and I have Mama Jenny and I have the goddess and I have you know my like creative news and I have all these different characters that I realized allies you know the the voices of the thoughts inside of my head or not me I'm just the vessel that's experiencing those sensations and so when I was able to build the character around around who they are what their name is what they look like and have a conversation with them. I was able to create space between myself and what I thought I was hitting a wall against because oftentimes fear worried out is biologically trying to protect us safe so oftentimes these walls that were hitting our US hitting zone that a part of us as afraid for us to move beyond and you know the problem is is that our brain hasn't evolved with modern society and so usually when we wanna do something meaningful or take that leap or live with purpose or discover who we are. That's when it's like everything gets very dark and scary because that's so foreign and so just not okay to the worry in the fear inside of us and so exercise you can do is literally like okay so this wall in front of me. You know what's the fear around it. What's the big worry. Maybe it's the fear that you know it's not gonNA work out and I'm GONNA fail great. Okay so what's the name of this character may be. It's like afraid. Anne will call her once. I've built that character. I'm again creating distance between me and this this voice inside my head then I can actually talk to any and this is where we can apply what I call the three C.'s which is courage curiosity and compassion so it's one on having the courage to even do this and go there even though it may sound crazy. It's having the curiosity of like why is afraid any here. What what does she want me to know? What message are insight. Does she have for me and the third series compassion. How can I actually like you know turn toward her with with an open heart and a sense of love and just see what she needs for me because so often these worries. Are there these fears they may be something stemming from childhood. It's like an inner pinky child that wants her attention. When if if all of a sudden a kid ran up to you and was like I'm so afraid I can't do this. You wouldn't punched in the face and say you suck away. You would say oh honey. We going on like right homey and so how do we do that. How do we ourselves that way. How do we say Oh Afraid Anne. What's what's going on like. I'm here to listen. Tell me and what I find time and time again is that when we let that fear voice speak it tends to loosen its grip okay before we go on. Let's just thank our sponsors. I try to eat well and urging foods that are good for my body but it can get super overwhelming because there's so much conflicting confusing information out there right and then I ended up saying just forget it. I'm just GONNA go ice cream but kettlebells kitchen knows that meal planning isn't one size fits all which is why they offer a personalized solution they give you the nutrition you need without any of the hassle super flexible you can sign up for a plan or order at all car no term contracts required and they have all these different meal the plans that can fit your goals whether you want to slim down or bulk up or just fuel yourself for the day they have. 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Get one hundred dollars off accessories when you purchase the Peleton bike and get great cardio workout at home go to one Peleton dot com and use Promo code dream job to get started so we also had the best selling author of the book the Subtle Art of not giving enough Mark Manson come on the show and he had a great perspective on how to use any failure to move forward. Take a listen last chapter. I want to dig into before we move on. Failure is the way forward. So what does that mean failures the way forward. How can we embrace escalier instead of letting it completely derail us. What I think is just understanding that again success the this idea of success is kind of an illusion. I see life in terms of it's just this constant iteration of try. Something kind of work. Scott doesn't learn from what doesn't try something else. Try that something works up than dozen. You're just constantly iterating on the ideas. The same is true with a book books never finished at some point. You just have to be like all right. That's good enough. It's close enough. You're constantly iterating on your failures and then eventually you get to a point where people bill don't see your failures anymore because you're you've evolved and grown so far past you know where where they're used to. It's funny because I if I open unsubtle art right now. I guarantee you within one minute. I'll find a paragraph that I'm like Oh. I wish I could rewrite this one. You know ten mortally relate to that. Never stops ups okay now. The next IDEA WANNA touch on is this notion that failure is the final answer I think a lot of us have had this experience of getting a test back or an essay and there's the big red F and we think well. That's it nothing I can do to change it. I'm a failure and it brings up all these feelings of shame and inadequacy crecy and unworthiness but when it comes to your life and your business failure is actually it's actually a good thing. I'll let suzy more. Tell you when it comes to failure. The Way I think about too is that failure and success of the same road the exact same road successes just fucked along down that well my God. That's I'd say the people get you know they'll take a parking space the first one they see right. It's like the end the pulse about success is full of very comfy balkis basis right and so it is just <unk> same Paul if you all into it and I've had had the privilege of getting some really cool people like Sara Blakely who's the founder of spanks and fail-safe. They always ask questions. They never feel like they know enough. They surround themselves random people and when they make a mistake it's like dust off straight straight back on. It doesn't stray from love. The roads are the same. Rohan is just further down that road so this his point I wanna hit on is the fact that you do not need to a+ student in order to be a success. You don't need to be the smartest. You don't need to be this shiny star. He just have to do something that makes people oh feel seen and really understood and Adam grant who is phenomenal. He's a psychologist and professor a Tedtalk Speaker and bestselling author. He made a really great point about why you don't need to be in original why you don't have to have the most revolutionary idea in order to make a huge impact and here's what he said. I don't actually think you have to be totally original in order to do meaningful creative work one of the things I've I've learned recently that you don't have to say something new. If you say something tripp oh I like that and this goes especially to anyone who who writes their communicates ideas is that I think we find a ton of wisdom in the experiences and stories of other people. It's usually not most unique experiences right through most universal experiences that allow us to to really gain something something we can take back to ourselves so you don't have to be original to be creative another huge lesson that we need to learn how to slow down and embrace this season arrest when we were kids in school we got summer vacations holiday breaks but when we become adults there's no one telling us when to stop being in work mode and Danielle LaPorte was a bestselling author and entrepreneur. She had a really good point on why we don't give ourselves as period to step out of our work and why it's so dangerous I have hit. I always say a wall to sake a very sobering use that word mindfully realization. I have been at workaholic. I am a workaholic and I really really want to be talking about this more in the near future because while it's my truth it's where I'm at so it's what I have to offer now and it's rewarded boarded. Workaholic is as potentially lethal as a substance addiction which we frown upon it celebrated and it's a thing it's a real thing I'm here to testify and when you stop drinking you stop working. You should comes up and you are over working because you don't want to deal with real shit. Yeah I can relate to that. We also had kate northrop on the show. She's a bestselling author an entrepreneur and she wrote a whole book called do less and she shared some really good reminders minded on why we need to be more precious with time instead of spending all of it being super busy and super quote unquote productive. What I'm focusing on right now is time and I was raised in an environment where productivity was placed as the holy grail of being a valuable human and so the motto of my life up until a couple years ago when I got got pregnant for the first time was let me show you how much I can do and prove to you how much I am worth. I know that well yeah and I I. I would imagine you're listening as well knows that well because if you're if you're on kind of personal growth track or the entrepreneurship track there is this tendency Z. To be in hyper drive around doing things and it can only get us so far because if if you've read <hes> brawny wears book the I five biggest regrets of the dying. It's really powerful. I haven't read actually the whole thing to be perfectly honest but you just have to know the five regrets and none one of the five regrets is I wish I had worked more or I wish I had done more. They're really like I wish I had connected more with my purpose. I wish I had kept better in touch with the people I love. I wish I had given myself permission to do what I wanted. Instead of what other people wanted me and we live in a culture that glorifies is busy and doing above all but we end up sick and exhausted earned out an alienated from the people that we we say that we love them. uh-huh push push push and it's really this linear model of success and so when we can connect with how worthy we are of using our time in the way that we deem. It's most useful yet than we really can create. These miraculous lives where we are able to get paid for doing what we love. We are able to create these. Meaningful relationships really wake up in the morning loving the day in front of us now. Here's an example of someone who who is built extraordinary legacy just by giving people a place where they feel like they can belong. Howard Schultz who essentially made starbucks the empire that it is today he you recognize that what people want most sense of community and I just love how everything he's done has been so intentional making customers feel seen but also the people who serve serve the customers his employees take a listen when you're building a business regardless of the product or the service or the idea the business must have a purpose and a reason for being in our case as so much of the foundational her experiences based on the people who deliver the coffee serve the customer so I think very early on we realized is that the star of the show has to be an understanding that we have to elevate our people in ways that <hes> really really celebrate them and would be truthful and most importantly we will keep our promises whatever they were going to be so the the secret sauce from nine hundred eighty seven we had eleven stores one hundred people working with the company was than it is today the culture the values guiding principles of the company and it's not about how many stores we have or how many customers come. It's about one customer one starbucks employees. We call partner because everyone's owner it. It's a level of intimacy with regard to the experience level of empathy and compassion in personally uh-huh understanding who the people are <hes> who wearing a green apron really trying on a personal level to recognize that we're not not in a commodity business. The coffee is not a commodity. The people are not a commodity and certainly the customer is not a commodity and so all of that I think sits on the foundation of being a performance driven company through the Lens of humanity in a story that I've told in the book is that for the last almost forty years every Monday leadership meeting and every quarter in a board meeting to empty chairs and those two chairs was a metaphor for one <hes> which was applied by customer and the other by starbucks employees in all along for these forty years trying to answer the question question in those meetings whether or not the decision. We were making what the strategy we're. GonNa embrace would make our people and our customers proud if the answer was yes of course we do if it was no even if it was gonNA make more money. We shouldn't do it all right now. One more piece of advice I wanNA share comes from the amazing artist and writer Morgan Harper Nichols every piece of art she makes a one hundred percent dedicated to making another person feel worthy in this world and I would highly highly recommend that you go look her up on Instagram at Morgan Harper Nichols because her instagram alone is a prime example of what it means to practice empathy in your work and this is why she now has over eight hundred thousand instrument followers so she's going to explain why she is so intentional on creating her art this way and how you can start implementing being this kind of approach and really serve somebody else every single day one thing that I have been able to pick up on. Is that many sometimes the person that I'm writing for is most of the time they're in a completely different season allies than I meant. You know I'll get a message from. I'm a fourteen year old. Who's going through something. I've never been through or someone who is older than me whose experiencing something totally different <unk> groceries are different but there's always a point where I'm reading with that person since we were just sort of feel like tug in the best way I can explain it is that's the part where are stories connect. That's the thing that I deal with to even though we are so different even though our stories of different in that's the place. I always try to start writing. I does look for that thing where I'm like yet. I have felt as has to here's what I say to myself and I tried to find what's inside of me. That needs to hear something about that same thing that again so I would say the biggest thing that the kind of stand out to me that keeps me grounded suggests find a way to cooperate right something in to retain into your your rhythm of things whatever it is that you're making arguing that you can reach reach one person at a time. Maybe you get in a practice the every day or every day that you're working on your business or your project that you you try to respond to one email every morning that somebody who's just saying thank you. I received this like loved it like maybe that's your pigs <unk> once a day. You know it could take you literally three minutes to do once a day or maybe it's you have hundred orders going out this week but you pick one order every week to write a handwritten letter into it just cuts you. Just pick up your like Jackie. I'm GONNA write a letter to her this because can you can either do this like this to you and what you do or you can share publicly and say hey like. I'm going to do that and I just think that having something like that it can really help you. Just remember why do all right before we go on. We're going to take a quick outbreak. I'm pretty much a pro when it comes to filling up my online shopping cart but I'm not so great when it comes to finding good deals and my husband gets mad. He's like why didn't even try to price shop and compare them like I. I just don't have the time but things honey. I don't have to worry about overspending honey as a free browser add on finds me the best deals online it's completely free to use and it only takes two clicks to install and honey members of already saved more eight hundred million dollars in fact honey has saved. It's ten million members and average of twenty eight dollars and sixty one cents. 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Danilo Silverstein is the creator of the popular marriage Martinez podcast and she's also one of our listeners and she shares hear how she gave herself the permission to die right in without knowing exactly how it would play out and and I just think it's amazing that started a podcast because she was inspired by this show and within nine months they had over three hundred fifty thousand downloads and her instagram had over over one hundred fifty thousand followers just because she decided to take this advice to take her own advice so take a listen. I knew at the time when I was searching for podcast America's listen to and I was searching for marriage has I also knew that I needed inspiration and I listened to this show and I remember thinking to myself well. What if we make mistakes because we're GONNA make mistakes and I don't know if I have the energy for that. I do remember you saying that you were recording and re recording according and recording and it was making you crazy and you were like sometimes you just have to let it go and just kind of just put it out there and let it be and I I was like okay. Maybe that's what I need to do. Maybe to get started. I instead of worrying about redoing it and re. You know maybe in the beginning. Thank leading it out. There with a little bit of you know. Some flaws is just step one that kind of took some stress off me because I was I I let go of the I have to put out something that's perfect and I allowed myself and Adam my husband some room room for flaw and and that actually turned out I think to be what the people really identified with most and and it's interesting because in our episode sometimes you hear our dogs barking and you here. We were literally sitting in our living room. It is not fancy and and our kids are slamming doors. Sometimes they're fighting and we my husband works fulltime. We have no other time to do literally a side hustle you know and we we were so worried in the beginning. We were apologizing. We're so sorry that the dogs are barking. Sorry the Jordan slamming and people were like no. We love it really refreshing so yeah yeah okay so another thing we're not taught in school is to just follower curiosity and this is why so many of us have had to do some digging to we just let ourselves explore and have fun. I want to share one of my absolute favorite success stories from one of our listeners Greg Franklin who started the cheesecake Ninja a lot of times. We expect that we should had no we want to do or what our purposes but for. Greg it was just an interest was just as curiosity that grew and grew and grew so here's kind of the origin story of where it Greg's cheesecake journey began. I was sitting around one day and was looking for a new hobby so looking on facebook scrolling scrolling through and a cheesecake picture came up and I thought hey that looks pretty good. I'm going to go ahead and make that. I have no clue what I'm doing and I've heard they're really really hard to make AAC but what's worst I can do so I got all the ingredients together. I got the wrong pan through all the stuff together and deliver research and I found out that it needed to water baths. Athisaari got that and I'm making it. The kitchen is totally destroyed in my wife came home and she's like what are you doing okay cheesecake and she's like you don't bake and I said I know now. It looked good. She's like okay so I made it and it was one of the ugliest things I've ever seen. It was like all dark and crunchy ranch on the top but we cut it ate. It and it was pretty tasty and <hes> kind of thought and it's Aright. I don't really want that that is a hobby so I kind of threw it off to the side again and then a few days later another picture but cheesecake came up because facebook likes to creep on you and so it was throwing some cheesecakes recipes and pictures. Atman I decided to go ahead and make another one so I made an Oreo cheesecake. Can it was pretty ugly too and ate a slice of it is pretty good and then I gave the rest of the way and then throughout the next few months just started making big ones <hes> full-size nine inch cheesecake so I would make the full size cheesecakes and then I just gave them away the and never tried selling him or anything and one day it hit me. Hey I can probably sell these so I made a couple and went on my facebook facebook page to all my friends said Hey I have these two cheesecakes their banana pudding cheesecakes the best cheesecakes ever and I'm going to sell them to you for this price and and I got no response at all yeah did not sell up so I waited a few days and reposted it on my KS still have this. Somebody wants to buy it. It's really good. I got nothing so I thought what am I gonNa do with these and then I ended up taking him to the Fire Department art the Police Department and our town and I said hey I have these cheesecakes. Nobody wanted him so here. Have some free cheesecake and of course they were super excited about it because Zeh like free food they like desserts so in about an hour they had eaten them posted some pictures and shared it with their friends and couple of days later. One of the detectives at the Police Department called me and like hey my boyfriend had one of your cheesecakes his the birthdays coming up pretty soon. Can you make some super small bite sized cheesecakes and I'm like hey. I have no clue how to do that but I'll figure it out. I love this so what I love so much about this story that Greg tells is that he was stuck in one of the most soul-sucking taking day jobs that I've ever heard of and I wanna play you this moment that happened in his life that is so much thicker necessity. I it's straight out of a movie. Listen to this. I was making making plastic bags for dog food companies and cat food companies and I did not like that job so I would work all night for twelve hours and then I would come home on my last guy and I would immediately start making cheesecakes or I would make cheesecakes before I would work that rotating shift nights and then I would work all night and then I would get in my carson is I got off on that last day and then go sell cheesecakes. Oh my God and you're what are you feeding something into a machine day not even that most of them. I'm just sitting. I was sitting there making sure that it stayed running. Oh My god God i WanNa cry for only God and it probably doesn't pay you six figures a year no no it. It paid decent. It allowed me to do I wanted to and I'm like Hannah. Terry up and get this shift over so I can go home and do what I actually want to do. And <hes> as soon as I left it was like the building disappeared and didn't exist anymore. I didn't have to worry about that for several days and I could do what I wanted to selling cheesecake and in being a people person to people that I actually liked because they liked what I was making yeah and then eventually you're doing this. What happened the next big thing was? I had went into work like I always do and <hes> there was a particularly bad day where there was some mistakes made and it was my fault and I got in trouble for it. This was July she had twenty four twenty fifth and I went throughout the day the win at home. I was off from my normal days and then I went in on a Monday in which was July thirty first national cheesecake day so <hes> kind of slightly annoyed that I had to work fulltime type job because of national cheesecake slipped my mind national holiday and didn't get a play in it so I went to work and I'd been working for a couple of hours. I I got called in the office and my supervisor said we're going to go ahead and let you go since you major errors last week <hes> mm-hmm we can't have you work here anymore and I'm like I really wasn't upset. I kind of look at him a Mike couldn't you've told me this on Friday. Okay because today is my national holiday and I did. I love it and he he kind of looked at me. I'm like it's national cheesecake day and it's like Oh. I didn't think about that and I said you wouldn't have goes. You're not the cheesecake edge so my supervisor was walking me out the adore and he said hey now you can sell cheesecakes fulltime. I said that is not funny because now I don't have a job at all and I don't sell enough cheesecakes as cakes to warrant doing that so I was on my way home and I was pretty terrified because I was going to have to tell my wife that I got from my job. Yeah I walked in and she kind of looked at me and said well. You'RE GONNA have to start selling more cheesecakes WCHS head. I gotTa do what I gotTa do isn't that crazy. He got fired national cheesecake day and it's amazing it's all working out for Greg and she skin and but what a sign right what assign from the universe so it really hope that these remind you you do not have to know it all. You have to have it all together. In order to start the clarity does follow the action okay so I hope you learned something valuable today or that. You were reminded of something useful that maybe you didn't learn in school and here are some takeaways number one just start. Let it be lousy Z number two fear doesn't have to control your life talk to it challenge at number three follow your curiosity make the ugly cheesecake and the the next one and the next one number four failure is not a dead end. It's just one stop on the road to the next iteration number five. Give yourself a break. It is okay a to do less number six. You don't need to be an expert or an inventor to make a difference. Just do something that makes another person feel seen. Thank you you guys for being here. Truly have no doubt that you have an endless amount of things that you could be doing instead of listening to this show it means the world to me that you continue to listen definitely subscribe because we have some amazing guests coming on soon including candice. Nelson who started sprinkles cupcakes in Calais who is one of my favorite musicians so definitely subscribes he don't miss these awesome episodes and if you haven't left US review on I tunes please do because I love to read those every few days and it just gives me a left. I know they don't read your reviews but you guys don't know what that means wants to me and you can also help us and help the world by telling a friend about the show. Maybe they need to hear more about these things that they didn't learn in school. 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People were hurting and I wanted to make work that mattered and I I was terrified and I'm still scared. Every time I do something that's out of my comfort zone and to think that you guys are here and supporting me in buying this book and that may be I'M GONNA wind up getting to have even more of a voice to remind people to have this permission to play and do what they love is just such a dream. Come true so <hes> I really do need your help if you haven't bought the book yet and you do feel like podcast is worth fifteen to twenty bucks a value. If you feel like it's added that much value to your life. Please go ahead and buy the book and if you do to say an additional thank you. I'll be doing a full week live workshop Monday through Friday starting September sixteenth and if you can't join us live we will send you the replays every single day but I will be there every every Single Day doing some coaching for an hour and I have a lot of good stuff plan so definitely if you're going to buy the book anyway before September sixteenth go to don't keep your data dot com slash slash book and you can sign up for the workshop by the book. I'll leave you with a song of mine as I always do. I love you guys so much. Thank you talk to you Thursday. The podcast is a production of authentic for more INFO on advertising in this show visit authentic shows dot com. They were too so <music> <music> good to start resume. Lou Uh let's do we yeah <music> yeah and did you. Did you most <music> <music> yeah <music>.

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Gender Bias Reveals Consequences For Female Artists

NPR's Business Story of the Day

00:00 sec | 10 months ago

Gender Bias Reveals Consequences For Female Artists

"Okay for music to art. How many feet famous female artists can you name? No not beyond say or Riana artists like Frida Kahlo and Mary Cassatt. If you're having trouble thinking of more than a handful you may be onto a major problem in the art world. We've been artists are routinely left out of museum exhibits and the work is on average valued much less less than that of their meal. Peers Selley herships and Cardiff Garcia from our daily economics. podcast the indicator from planet money. How that story there was this? This artist named Joan Mitchell. She was an abstract expressionist. She died in the nineteen nineties but she painted a lot. Joan Mitchell was hugely successful and to our world insiders. She's a big deal. But if you're thinking I've never heard of her you would not be alone. KRISTA LATCHFORD IS CEO of the Joan Mitchell Foundation. She's doing remarkably well at auction. The prices are very high but are they. High in relative to Jackson pollock no way are they high relative to Kooning nope paintings by the KOONING and pollock have gone for sixty to one hundred sixty million dollars. KRISTA says there is no record of Joan Mitchell getting. We're close to that kind of money for her work. which brings us to a big part of the reason that people have trouble naming famous women? Artists Artwork by women and men is just valued differently. Rene teaches finance at Oxford and she and some of her colleagues did an experiment. They picked paintings at random and they showed them to viewers. There's and ask them to guess if the artist was a man or a woman on average the Experiment subjects couldn't guess it was painted by man or woman. Renee says it is practically impossible to look at painting and figure out the gender of the artist but she says if the subjects guessed that the painting was painted by a woman they like the painting less renee looked millions of records from auction sales and she found out that on average work by women. Artists sells for forty percent less than work by male artists and because art by women is valued for less museums by less of it and that is how less artwork by women ends up on display in museums. Ziems at the Baltimore Museum of art only four percent of the collection is women artists. The problem is the same major museums around the country. Christopher Bedford heard the museum's director he says that's why next year any new artwork. The museum buys will be by women the various different filters that we put in place to consider acquisitions nations and have always had them. Placed considerable additions and that system comes together in various different forms specific to the museum to filter the history of art and to include or exclude. Unfortunately in the case of women artists often museums have been excluding. KRISTA says anyone who's buying art museums included has to be careful of what's called the superstar effect sales of female artists represent just the tiniest slice just two percent of the market but of the two percent. Forty forty percent is five women. That's what can happen with the superstar. Effect a tiny number of artists. Become like Tokens or symbols and art buyers or museums ziems or individuals. Feel like they've bought something by a lady and so they feel like they don't have to do anything else but then museums can essentially say okay. I've done my female show will move back to our normal Sally herships Cardiff Garcia N._p._R.. News.

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233 | The Artist

Aaron Mahnke's Cabinet of Curiosities

10:59 min | 2 months ago

233 | The Artist

"Welcomed Aaron McKie's cabinet of curiosities, production of heart radio, and Brim, and mild. Our world is full of the unexplainable. And if history is an open book, all of these amazing tales right there on display just waiting for us to explore. Welcome. To the cabinet of curiosities. Museums all over the world are home to the finest works of art ever created. New York City's Museum of modern art houses pieces by Andy Warhol Claude Monet and Jackson pollock, as well as Vincent Van Gogh's iconic painting starry night. The Louvre in Paris houses the Mona Lisa by Leonardo Da Vinci her wry smile greeting each guest who passes by. Such works invites speculation as to what the artist was thinking when they made it. What is it telling us? What does it say about the world at large art is subjective often up to all kinds of interpretation. Some pieces however transcend simple questions about intent and meaning they are made with the same kind of skill other artists. Only dream of these works don't only invite interpretation they demand it such with the paintings of Pierre Brazelle. Burstow exploited onto the Swedish art scene in nineteen, sixty four, his first exhibition was held in Gert aborbs Sweden, and the critics loved him. Ralph. Ender Berg Art critic for the local paper said bristle paints with the strokes but also with clear determination, and then he added that he performed with the delicacy of a ballet dancer Bristle had been discovered by the Axelsson who insisted he share his paintings with? The rest of the World Axelson had been invited into the art studio weeks earlier where he selected four of the painters, finest pieces and had them put up in the gallery bristles paintings took the medium to a whole new level at a time when abstract art was gaining in popularity across Sweden, a private collector immediately bought one of his paintings for ninety dollars, which would equal about seven hundred dollars today. Sadly, Brazil's work was not long for this world. He stopped painting after his first show most likely brought on by one critic scathing review the following day it read only an eighth could have done this. Now, other artists have shrugged off such an unpleasant sentiments but not brazelle. Probably because the critic was at wrong pr Brazil was no artist he was a chimpanzee. Is Real name was Peter Pierre Brazil was the pseudonym that Axelsson used when he submitted his paintings to the Gallery Axelson had actually been a journalist who wanted to test the credibility of art critics at the time. Did they really know what they were talking about or were they full of it? He believed most critics were snobs who couldn't necessarily tell the difference between good. And Bad. They're real test was about to begin axelsson traveled to zoo in northern Sweden looking for his perfect painter, and that's when he found Peter a four year old west African chimpanzee with zookeepers permission. Axelsson presented Peter with some oil paints with took to immediately just not in the way everyone expected. Peter Eight them cobalt blue seemed to be the most delicious. He loved it so much. He used it in most of his paintings. Once he got tired of eating his materials, he would put his brush to the canvas. It helped they always had a basket of bananas nearby while he painted keeping him distracted from swallowing another mouthful of blue at his hungriest eat up to nine bananas in ten minutes. After Peter completed a bunch of paintings. Axelsson. took the four. He thought were best and sent them to the gallery to be displayed. The trap had been set and almost everyone had fallen for it. Ralph end in Burg didn't seem bothered by the hoaxes reveal in the end he stood by his original statement claiming peters painting and had still been the best in the exhibition. Peter Left Sweden few years later living out the rest of his days at the Chester Zoo in England. He might not have gone on to great fame and fortune but Peter had done something even better. He turned the tables on a bunch of stuffy art critics. And made a monkey out of all of them. This episode was made possible by the deadbolt mystery society. Are you a connoisseur of murder mysteries deal? Love the thrill of unraveling the clues than the deadbolt mystery society is a great way to bring the mystery to life in your own home. The deadbolt mystery society is a monthly subscription box filled with the story line of immersive scenarios, intriguing characters at original compelling stories, and it's all delivered right to your door. Each box features interactive online components that bring each story to life like puzzles. And interviews according to buzzfeed. It's the closest you'll get to fulfilling your dream of being. Sherlock Holmes the deadbolt mystery society boxes contain standalone stories. So you don't need to have multiple orders to complete your murder mystery storyline and you can choose three six or twelve month subscription options for a greater discounts. Are you ready to prove your skills solve your first mystery box at deadbolt mystery society dot Com when you do be sure to use the Promo Code Cabinet Twenty and you'll save twenty percent on all subscription options plus single one time boxes. That's twenty percents off all subscription options and single onetime boxes at deadbolt mystery. Society Dot Com Offer Code Cabinet two zero. In August of eighteen sixty, two confederate general Robert e Lee had just come off to victorious campaigns at Manassas Virginia otherwise known as bull run. The Union's defeat had been swift as Lee had reputation for striking fast. The South was poised to win the war. Panicked and demoralized the Union prepared for the eventual overtaking of Washington DC. A steamer ship even stood by ready to evacuate. President. Lincoln if necessary. The South meanwhile rejoiced with the news with such a strong victory citizens demanded that their troops move farther into union territory Lee felt that one more win over the union troops would not only prove superior military strength but might also affect the upcoming congressional elections. We had just the target to the Potomac by way of the Shenandoah valley with skilled veteran generals in his ranks Lee plan to send troops to destroy Pennsylvania's railroad bridge cutting off the supply route to Washington stonewall. Jackson was set to command a raid on harpers ferry while Lee and his troops were to march into hagerstown generally row special orders one, hundred, ninety, one on September ninth of sixty two and sent copies to his commanders. After reading his copy of the orders, James Long, street destroyed it by chewing the paper like tobacco John Walker kept his pin to the inside of his jacket stonewall Jackson. Brian. His orders after carefully memorizing the words everyone was ready and the secret is safe. There was a fourth general though both Lee and Jackson believed that General Daniel Harvey Hill was under their command hill was Jackson's brother-in-law after all in the mix up both Lee and Jackson sent a copy of the orders to hill. One of Hill's copies ended up in Union Commander George McLellan's hands. The lost orders were the start of a domino effect that eventually helped the union when the war with advanced knowledge of Lee's intentions. The Battle of Antietam had a much different outlook and as history now shows the union troops prevailed. Those railway bridges remained intact and Lee was forced to retreat north with Maryland citing with the Union Washington was no longer under threat states who had held back soldiers to defend themselves. Now provided the union with extra men. The Republicans were even victorious at the polls. The victory gave more meaning to President Lincoln's emancipation proclamation without the victory that proclamation might have come off sounding empty intern the proclamation convince public opinion abroad to stand with the north and it's fights against slavery. But here's the best part that letter hadn't found its way into McLellan's hands by way of a spy or a traitor in a strange turn of events. Union Commander George McLellan's troops had set up camp in Frederick just four days after confederate general, Daniel Harvey. Hill and his men had stayed in the exact same location. Early on the morning of September thirteenth private Mitchell took a break after stacking arms with the rest of the troops. He noticed something unusual on the ground a bulk package Mitchell noted that had already been opened, and so he took a look inside. What he discovered was notes wrapped around three cigars. Presumably, the kind Daniel Harvey Hill carried seeing the plans he immediately handed over the envelope and the contents to his sergeant's by that morning. McClellan had possession of the package and had already wired Lincoln. Lee blamed his defeat on those lost orders, his assistant general rh. Signed an affidavit stating that the order had been delivered, suggesting that hill had wrapped his cigars, the plans and then carelessly lost them. But Hill insisted that the only copy he had ever received had been from Jackson not. Li. One Hole in hills explanation is that private Mitchell on the envelope opened, which indicates that someone had already read the orders such orders were usually delivered sealed since Chilton could no longer recall the couriers name no one could question them. Hill contended that the courier must have lost the package after arriving Frederick between the time he left and the Union troops arrived the second hole in his theory, how three cigars came to be wrapped in the battle plans Courier or carelessness whichever theory you believe one thing is certainly true. That day in Frederick lease battle plans and the confederate momentum in the civil war. All went up in smoke. I hope you've enjoyed today's guided tour of the cabinet of curiosities subscribe for free on Apple podcasts or learn more about the show by visiting curiosities. PODCAST DOT COM. The show was created by me Erin Minke in partnership with how stuff works I make another award winning show called law is a cast book series and Television Show, and you can learn all about it over at the world of Lor Dot Com. and. Until next time. Stay curious.

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Violet Benson, Double Dipping, We Are the 2020 of Podcasts

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Violet Benson, Double Dipping, We Are the 2020 of Podcasts

"Everything we eat is just a vehicle to get sauce into her mouth. Edition Casey Radio on the Barstool Sports Network today's episode is brought to you by Nitsa. The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration. They're here to keep you safe keep you out of jail and keep you from paying stupid legal fees and just. Remind you not to be an asshole one of the number one things in this world that I think you're an asshole a lot of people say they can tell everything about a person if they return the shopping cart to the shopping cart like lanes, you know in the in the grocery store because a lot of people just leave him or whatever, and that's kind of like the number one sign of whether you think about other people or not I think they take it to a more serious level if you still fuck around with drunk driving. You are the biggest asshole in the world and I mean that sincerely, it's it's such a risk for you and that means a risk your family forget about if you're a drunk drivers happens to you whatever you're an asshole. But your mom's at home, your wife said on your kids at home your husband home and you have to get the phone call that this guy was drunk driving in crashed and he's dead or killed some others you're putting your your other people at risk. You're putting your family at risk you're putting your bank account at risk. Let's. Say. You don't get you don't crash you get pulled over well now you're gonNA, catch a you, and now you can't get a job and now you can't provide for your family or you've gotTA, wipe out your savings account because you've got to pay for a lawyer to try to fight this. It's it's all problems all stemming being a selfish astle that you can fix right now by just getting a designated driver or getting an uber getting a lift ordering a car walking sleeping the night whatever it is any other option besides happened in a car drunk. Is better than than jumping in their stupid. So drive sober or get pulled over don't be Dick. And Save Your Money Save Your Life and Save Your family. The stress shoutouts Nitsa for spreading the word and make sure you don't drive drunk today's episode who's on WHO's our interviews Nick Violet Benson Violet. Violet the OH. Gee Daddy Girl Daddy issues. We had some fun with her. She's the best. We're going to let it fly or like. You said this in the interview her like description set Bal be PG or are rated as you want. I was like well, we're going NC seven and. So she was letting it fly and we'll talk to her. So we're going to our voicemails and the interview but first, let's get right into the asshole. It's brought to you by Fubo TV if you're sick cable, this is for you I tried to cut the cord I haven't fully done it yet though because I was kind of unsure I feel like I still needed cable because the option I was going for with streaming was really not satisfactory. Didn't have the sports that I needed. Well Fu Boat Fubo. TV has everything you need live sports news and Primetime TV without the complicated contract. And so that means you get everything. You need I mean right now think about how often you watch cable TV. It's really not that. Often if you're anything like me, you're using the streaming services and then occasionally you WanNa watch a sporting event and maybe There's big news and you got watch like something some Primetime News? That's it. You're not sitting there channel surfing anymore. Let me check out you know. 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Had the the right package to do it yet, and it sounds like Fubo TV is it for me everything you need on your television all in one place hundreds of channels cloud dvr no hidden fees can stream all your shows on your TV or to a smart device. They have the major broadcast and cable networks and you'll never miss a game, NFL NBA, MLB NHL Premier, League, Lollygag College sports more right now, you can get it for seven days for free. So give it a week. Find Out. I'm pretty sure in that. You'll realize you do not need the cable cord anymore, and by the end of that, we you'll cut it. TV is offering the seven day free trial and fifteen percent off your first month. So sixty five bucks what's fifteen percent of sixty five, John Fuck off. I at fifty percent of it is fifteen fubo TV dot com slash KFC get fifteen percent off that sixty, five dollar. If I even to figure that out. Calculator out number one. Fubo, TV DOT COM SLASH KFC. Let's get into the asshole. We did a bunch of the astles. So let's rock. Am I the asshole. pull up my likes. Yeah these are good. These are all good ones We're GONNA easing with something that we both first of all I slept on my neck wrong and I I'm telling you right now. If I had an axe, I would have you chop my head off. Really it's just a desire we doing. Because I got one until short. Let's go you I. Just. I. Don't know what happened I. Mean I do know what happened I I can't sleep without. We'd Melatonin Benadryl supplements, right. So then I smoke a fuck ton and I go to sleep, and then I just pass out like a rock and if I stay in the same spot for eight hours, I'm fucked. So I woke up this morning and I was just like all know. Great. I. Feel refreshed slept like eight full hours. But I was like I can't believe in that and fair trade off because I've got to tell you what I haven't slept for a full eight hours and quite some time and I might take a sore neck over it. Yeah. You're tired tired baby boy I'm I'm always tired always I woke up this morning's when. I will go in the Pool Winnie the Pooh Hard Dick. On the couch. On Pants heartache Lord jerked off. Awesome having sex. Malone. Why we naked don't know took my pants off. Oh, you went to sleep with pants on. No 'cause I did that. Myself Your Day. I woke up I've been doing this in recent years. I. Used to sleep in boxers and then I think it was really the parcel indoors line came along because they're like thin enough that I can wear them to bed and I keep my fucking my bedroom icy cold now that if like my arms or anything exposed, I wake up, they're like free. So I've been wearing sweating the I am willing to light like the long CT shirt and the pants. but then I guess the other night I got hot and I'm under my twenty five pound gravity blanket and I wake up and I waited myself and that was in the. Doors t shirt and a gravity blanket. Too Hard. I slept with my feet up and the gravity blanket was like pulling Dow. And like my ankles hurt because they were the player for like eight hours if you do that to my boner. fucked ben that shit is hard. It's like a fucking. Lever or you're. Trying to get it up. But Anyway I'm pretty sure I have rheumatoid arthritis. That's actually not a joke. Versus Arthritis osteoarthritis I I. Just threw in. I, it's full-body. Oh My girlfriend a foot massage today because what could you and? I was like. I couldn't do it. Why can't beer bottles? Slowly. Trying to close my hand I couldn't do it fast now also, that might be the the sausage finger hoofs no because it was just like slow close it wasn't going and she i. think you have arthritis and then I starting everything in my life. I. Of course, that's why it takes me seven minutes to get up. It's I'm. Scared I get scared about like what's he gonNa be Sixty Oh you know I always say I can't believe I have to live sixty more years right? Raise. FATHERS IN LIKE GRADE SHARE Even, like my dad's not like your father but like he's up and about doing work around the yard and he's like walking the dog and he's like active I'm like I think I'm going to be like Rascal Electric Mobility. I, don't think I'M GONNA be able to walk if I. It's a forty on my own power with. More. Minutes away. I mean like I have to I I had has doctor I've been thinking about it for a long time and like it's been ten years. Dr Gin and it's not going to do for you though. Medicine I guess what? If I have arthritis. To. Merrick. that. Apparently, that's. A thing there's also something stupid that works. I to say Cinnamon There's something about cinnamon cinnamon, something along those lines, cinnamon and. And Arthritis are thing really I think cinnamon arthritis. John started could be. Contains CINNA. MELDA. Hide or some shit cinema nick acid and it's an antioxidant that helps inhibit like pain or whatever But yes, Cinnamon Spice Helps Reduce Room Atar Room Retard. Rheumatoid. I'd be your aroma target. Arthritis symptoms. So start fucking cinnamon challenging yourself knocking to do never. I I've been saying this I'm either going to get canceled or I'm going to retire one way one way or the other soon, and the first thing I'm doing is Getting healthy. Healthy. Yes. When I get canceled or when I retire. Until then yeah. Yeah. Usually wait until your life's over pretty much. My Life's over. That's what fucking put it together. which is. Oddly poetic began I. Agree. When it's over, then I'll start it. Put It on a shirt. When my life over? I'M GONNA crush them get arrested for trying to raise a fourteen year old boy. Got An audible reaction from. Nick. BRINGS A Reference, this is this is a callback to last episode. Because we're going to eat. That was the most I've ever heard degrees Schroeder one, hundred percent the most he's ever said like unprompted. And I was like Whoa that's getting uses a clip Brennan. That's for the people who get this deep into the bogus. He's Dick like, I'm going to edit that out. You're not gonNA know. Let alone put it on the Internet. OUTTA here. I'm sorry. True. When you? SMART? WHO said it? I didn't get it at all and then I've been thinking when you're legal work worker. When you're addicted to this shit when you don't have any other things to do really the only way you're gonNA stop yourself. You're not gonNA stop yourself someone else's. Via It's. Game. Yeah you can't I'm an higher -able they. Have a job fucking work but if I've been on the fuck agreeing. On higher everybody's. Are you really going to take away his ability to earn a living? Yeah. Hold on. Yeah. That's the end game. Maybe I. Don't know about going I know about raping kids to get fired but it's just showing up just showing up. That's it when they say what he would do today exactly. What's happening so they? I suppose hoping for I didn't know I was I was dreading fourteen year old boy who is looking to have sex with me I'm so happy it's just you. To cancel me pick one segment over so bad. Enough like you're gonNA show up and you're going to be like. Whoever it is Chris here's the six pack of condoms. Here's the six pack of Beer I was going to do it cancel mate. This is the floor thousand Ben to thank God it's. Finally that's great. So you'll be you'll be Here's what I think. Okay. You'll be either in jail and or canceled and and like on a sex evangelist I hopefully I'm going to be like. An offensive Lineman who after he retires is a totally different person. They lose a ton of weight and they get in shape like the bath year you went from fat too skinny. Cereal when it's like after your career, you know I mean like I'm Gonna I'm GonNa have been on camera for like fifteen years getting made fun of for being a skinny fat bag of milk and failing at all these physical challenges and all these things that have been embarrassing for me about my of Shit Body while I'm thriving in the career, and then I'm GonNa be like I'm going to get in shape for no reason. There's no cameras always watch and nobody's doing anything and you're gonNA see me and be like that's K see. Heaven Yeah I finally had some fucking time and money to make it happen. That's really what it's about. It's kind of money kind I'm just GONNA. I think my I'm going to change like one of my answers over the years I've always said like I would rather have him with Susan. The House I think if you do like I've come around on the chef where it's slow. Chef and like masseuse I would enjoy more but the chef is like. Miss Walks was ever from. Masai WAAS. Was the plural of masseuse. Movie or TV show sounds like almost like a Charlie Damon by the way Charlie commented on an API both sports post. So everybody's gotta hit up Charlie Day official and tell them come. Yeah. Yo Charlie we went to high school together Bro let's forget together but we say Yeah, we went to the same pretty rare like John Porto abby come fucking hang out with Raven Bro like how many people like total I felt a small school three hundred. In each each school so it's like. Seventy five. Yeah. So like you're one of you know by like a couple of thousand people in the in the most in Montreal Kennedy's which. I would you actually don't say that both both the Kennedy's got kicked out. You really don't. I wouldn't on that a Lotta they haven't is John I went to school Kennedy. Forget what's Kennedy's it was but we're GONNA, we're gonNA wikipedia right now this is really off the rails, but because you're on vacation so we're. We're going to do a little bit everything. I'm just letting the weight of my head fall. Bisco hand fuck. To this. Vacation episode we should do from some questions. Okay. Because Breaking News, we're going to release a sports pack. And committing to it new expansion deck sports deck will be in the works and will come out hopefully you bought the goat bundle and you have all five packs I'm going to call it Robert. Kennedy. Kennedy who's Ed Kennedy? Tend to. Ted Kennedy? Got Kicked fucking kilby. Yes. Ted Kennedy. So Ted Kennedy and Robert Kennedy went by the way. I just want you to think through your canceled plan because like guys like Ted Kennedy Kill people and don't get cancels well. If just showing up to have sex with a fourteen. Have to do it. There's GonNa be some poor kid. It's like Johnson. Really listen I don't WanNa, fucking. They don't fire me up. Fuck you. All right. Do call up like Dave Portnoy Firefighter, going to get thought. A real problem on your hands ten Of us you thought Dave Faking Rona viruses, they may the stocks. Watch, this. Man. Funny. Much. Just have to put this on our only fans. Subscription only episode. Okay If we're doing it, we're doing it and I was I was telling Kevin before the show that this record Thursday Kevin's off this week so. I was. So the Bruins just lost seven. Judit. One or Whatever whatever they lost and Casey wouldn't let me tweet it but I so badly wanted a tweet. I'm getting out somewhere. I'm not saying, I'm just saying. DONALD TRUMP I didn't say I was GonNa say something that I thought would have been a little bit funny. Maybe is I wanted a tweet Thank you to the Bruins taking the night off in on. A take a blake. Solidarity Shame on the lightning for. Could you? Shame on you Tampa Bay hanging seven old on the night that we were standing in solidarity with Jacob Blake. You made it all about yourselves. Boston. Boston a town with although. History of standing for racial injustice. Just just. Reputation being one of the good guys and allies say. Oh. Mr You often is proud today. That would that would be it would have been a two thousand, ten tweet man. That's a comedy club. In the Comedy Club, they would've played. Okay. Am I the. We are the astles. Yeah. Absolutely. I in the ASTLE. The last twenty minutes I've joked about having sector fourteen year old boys. Free. Leaving I. Forgot this is how I've. Had you know what? By the way because that means this podcast show? It's the best of. The. Best at the amount of people who because I kept saying I am really embarrassed about my performance last week and they're like those are the best episodes you've done in years that was your best performance in years. So that's what the people want. They want to hear. You say you're GONNA fuck a fourteen year old and they wanNA. Hear you complain about your playoff loss in comparison to Jacob play by what put asses in the seats man. I have to go pay you did say. This is good. Will Hunting Jesus gone. He invites did text me Saying this show is the best because. Oh So you can you can you can chime in on this nick somebody said to me the day because I thought I had my bad episodes. You know I had those two episodes particularly the one where I said I would fuck my cousin I said that I was suck my own Dick. All sorts of Shit right? And then somebody tweeted me and said like. The opening today's show you guys are on one and I quote tweeted and I was like. What was the opening of today bad like I don't even remember was that one bad and you were like, you just treat it back yes and Forget what it was and well, and so fight says to me let me find the tax. He goes I fucking love our show open with. So I think I WANNA get caught on to catch a predator. So I have a reason run away from my life and it gets the wait a minute was the start of today's show bad to like I. Just forgot that he did the whole to catch a Predator thing and I've forgotten we're talking about like fucking kids and the fans are like holy. Shit, you guys are on one and I was like I couldn't gun to my head I couldn't tell told you were was. Like? Those are the things that blend into our show. That's usually by the end of it and like I'll go back and I like picking out clips and that just totally. skated by me. Yeah. That's what I mean like it's it's It's almost like you know people are saying like twenty twenty doesn't stop. Our show is the twenty twenty of podcasts where you know people like ordinarily on another show I just said John. I said, our show is the twenty twenty of podcasts meaning you know the Cliche of the years hundred twenty just won't stop. And all these things that in a vacuum or indifferent year, those would be like the number one talked about things. Those are moments on the show like it just blends in. Added to the list of twenty twenty, we have mortar hornets and fired tornadoes and Kobe, and this is not anything that's our show where it's like refined about fucking kids. Day talking about incest and I just don't even realize man that's the people fucking. Let's get back to the shows. Attacks I. Fucking. Love this show. Was it. Because I tweeted like shit was are opening that bad and he go fucking love our show open with quote. So I WANNA get caught on to catch a predator. So I, the reason run away from my life and against the way was today's show bad too. Good Okay. Back on track here we'll start like I said, we're GONNA ease into one that I know. This is going to be the first ever I think I hope. Guarantee throwing the G word out. That you I Nicholas and one. Hundred percent of our readers will be on the same page. Okay I. Think. So I hope so. Our readers listeners. Am I the Asshole for double dipping in my own sauce. So at the table and my girlfriend was eating McDonalds i. got a nugget, a quarter pounder with fries and my girlfriend got a big Mac and fries I dipped my nugget into the sweet sour and took a bite out of half the nugget and then did back in the same with the fries. All of a sudden. My girlfriend has a panic attack and she's like Oh. My God did you just double dip? That's disgusting and she started a loved one the really describing sake she says oh my God. That's disgusting and she started like fanning herself I. Guess She couldn't handle it anymore and she just went into the living room because I have no table manners she's pregnant. So I thought that it might be irrational mood swing and she's being dramatic. So I called a friend and he said that it was absolutely disgusting. Then you don't do that at the dinner table I was confused as another double dipping is bad when you're sharing a sauce salsa or any other dip but. I'm wondering now do I have bad table manners now he has an edit and he says. I blow up. I wrote this in a rush a double dipping situation got brought up to her friend and her cousin and I got double team that it was nasty and. So everybody in this guy's life is like. Your gross and then I love you as a extra edit third at it. He he's mad that people are disrespecting the sweetens ourselves. Goes. All soccer big fat day he goes. Okay. Last edit. Disrespect sweet and sour sauce like that. He's hours the goat McDonald's us it's not even close. Yeah I. Agree. There's I am actually. A huge sweet and sour guy. But I agree that out of all the McDonald's sauce. Honestly. Only restaurants. Yeah. We saw. Really, it would be Chinese food, right? Like nobody has a bottle of it of fridge. Do they know I don't imagine so but like it's possible Getting Burger King McDonalds. When I get CHICK-FIL-A POLYNESIAN SAUCE, it's I'm a sweet and sour guy ruined i. saw the dog is talking about it. What do you think is the best sauce in the fast food world I think it's fucking McDonalds being sour has a fucking shot at the title, but I might go polynesian have. I have a bad answer but I stick by it. It's a it's a boring answer I. think that the Wendy's barbecue sauce is fucking the perfect Barbie I. Don't I. Don't I'm not so much barbecue guy anymore why I never really done the sweet and sour for nuggets never done. What's the other one the? There's another. But the that the Wendy's barbecue to me is just like. Barbecue sauce, it's not fancy it's not specially Polynesian or or Chick-fil-a. But okay. Never mind. You know what? It's not really a dipping sauce but I think the McDonalds a secret sauce is king is just fucking catch up and thousand island, right? Yeah. I think it's like catch up. On a big Mac. Yeah. But you can actually order things you can order him. Nothing's really got ask for it. Like I've gotten a double cheeseburger with right on there I've never gotten like a cup of that's what you need because I would I would eat my nuggets. How about this I don't really like chicken mcnuggets I don't get mcnuggets I get Wendy's nuggets get chicken from other places I. think that McDonald's chicken is pretty like like it's the pink slime to me. It doesn't seem like real quick I don't get it anywhere very regularly the mcnuggets, but I have no problem getting anywhere. They'll taste the same to me. Yes I got I'm a little picky with it at McDonald's get into the spicy nuggets game. Stretch Any who back to the question at hand You can put your fucking Dick in your own sauce if you're not eating it, are you going to go against me on this one? I'm not going to go against was not disgusting it's not gross at all but. There's an etiquette to. As as I throughout the word I, was like John Going to be fucking. F. Word. I never. Know. What's going to happen here because you have your dinner etiquette thing but yes, I do. But I don't even know things would apply to it. It's just like. When everyone dips You've to moves you dip you buy you flip your dip and that's it if you're in those those issues. No I think I do that naturally to it's just it's just out of it's just out of like how I usually do it right it's just out of practice it's muscle memory but the I think it's all ridiculous I will honor you and I will not double dip, but you can double dip in mind I'll I don't give a fuck Bothers me I mean it's not like I. Just. Chip. So you dip a chip Bumi at one bite. You flip it clean side yet one more dip there I. It's not like I'm taking the chip with a nugget and on my. Like slobbering and then putting my saliva back in it it's like I know it touch my mouth to get it and I'm not GonNa do it if we're in a group setting, but if you want to double dip on me Again I give a shit. You know especially on your fucking girlfriend's complaining about it. You fucking eight my ass last. Suck on each other's tongues like you're literally pregnant with my. Right you want to talk about bodily fluids, shot mine up into your fucking stomach a human in there, and I can't get my chip in place. So you. Okay. But do you think where? What do you think like the poll will be when we put this out there? 'cause I was saying. Is Getting more. Here I. Mean It should be one hundred zero. But I'm I hope it's ninety in the nineties and the tens like that to me the needs to be. That's the only thing I'll be satisfied with I. It's. It's your gym. It's your own. I get it and I don't think he's in the wrong or anything like that. I'm not trying to be that person but. auto-pilot instinctually. Boom debt by flip tip by. But how about this you're running into also, you're touching the heart and then not even flip did bite like it's fucking chicken nugget. You just eat that's young bite. Yeah. Well, I will say though I love those rooms I love the Wendy's barbecue sauce so much that I liked to get it on every bite like I'll either like dip the whole thing and he told but if I do take a I will dip again I just want that. Yeah. There's also does everything we eat is just a vehicle to get sauce into her mouth. That's what Owen likes fucking chicken. No one likes fucking French fries no fucking burgers you just want do when I would favorite meals in a Selah Burger. Cooking. The. Microwave. Dowsett. In Ketchup and mustard relish and mayonnaise, and I can't even taste the bird a good burger I will eat Alvarado Gate. Chalk or whatever where it's like the meat's good. I'll do cheese as well but I won't do a sauce of it's like a real good Burger Burger last I want to. Corner. Bistro. Over my new joint right that place is it's open and everything good Houston outside outside. Yeah look. What well, actually one of those rare places where it's actually like you have more seating now I, know like someplace are thriving. Really killing it but the Because I want to find new apartment last night and I couldn't get in because the keys to do classic. Can I Come by and I was like knives good. That would be sitting and you can get in if you have to call someone to just use the key for you I'm just hoping sleep in the old place. Yeah, I saw. but. I just wanted to end of the month. It's here. Monday or Tuesday but he's just funny like the these months are flying where it's like yeah. I when you said that I was like two more weeks start tonight two weeks crazy. But the I'm just really hoping my girlfriend the door. Instead of you. What's the problem? Is it a funky it was like. A weird one of those like rectangle type keys where it's like. Now. It's just a regular regular excuses. Kennedy. What's wrong with you can't open bottles you can't open doors is these these four keys it's regular regular ask he's Wrong. Like I've seen this car key, but I've seen like, no, that's that's that's an old. Door sometimes these department for those are just regular ask Arche Dorky. He's been. So cointreau is. I'm. I'M GONNA steal. So Jackson pollock department and. I told you. Yeah. Reacting for the show. Okay. And his lover lives down live downstairs and that apartment is still. It's still hers still fills her stuff and she's she's she's alive debt debt and but they can't figure out the will. So it's been for like twenty years. It's been like wills been going back and forth and as a realtor was telling me that I'm like. Kicking that day one I'm GONNA. Go find some Jackson pollock. Yeah. For like were one hundred percent how Jackson pilots one of those guys like almost like the Reverse Picasso you could tell me he's like really old really young Nick Easy fucking younger than Picasso. Well because of that seventy three park died like forty something. I believe. That's fucking wild. I mean he's all. Right or left side yeah. Yeah, the the the thought that Jackson Jackson was a fucking entourage reference. Forties roads at fucking. Canvas. That really is one of the more. There's a whole generation of people who know Jackson pollock from that Seth Green Line. He said Tell Sloan like I used to blast their face like Jackson pollock payment. Really. That's when he like throws a fucking punch. She says like I used to bless her face like Jackson Pollack Canvas. Oh I always Reverend Jackson pollock talk about having diarrhea not not either way slash. SPLATTERS Jackson. Jackson. Megan, can you break the tie? Would you double dip on your own dip? Yeah I. DON'T I. Don't think I'd do it often right. But. Like I have no problem with the whole flip and everything I even by yourself. Fuck. Maybe I'm in the wrong you guys are fucking loser. Because they're a bunch of bitch. Worried about your own saliva going in your own mouth fuck you. So. Yeah. Maybe not one hundred percent guarantee fucking dorks. Let's go to something a little more. Debatable I. Think this is to the best headline the Asshole for defecating in my mother's garden. Male twenty, two I just had to move back home. I've been unable to secure Job Post University I've noticed that. Was Very European. Yeah it's always university. And all that literally Johns as the account is British guy whatever. But it's funny that all these stories it's like you're all assholes in Britain. Moved out when I was eighteen to go to university I, guess I shifted my sleep pattern to make me stay up late into the night few weeks ago I needed to have a poo. Poo Have Apu you sound British cartoon you sound like. A. Native American tribe, we are the have a booze. two or three in the morning I. Do I pull the flush? This is i. mean this is just chock full of fucking British slang I pu pull the flush I wash my hands I go back to Ben Seven, in the morning my mother is waking me up telling me I was too loud. I woke up last night. The bathroom is right so fair enough the next. Time I needed to go I made sure to go down to the downstairs toilet and not wake her up again early in the morning she's waking me up to quote see how I like being woken up when I'm sleeping, which I think is crazy as the toilet is literally opposite side of the House her but somehow I still woke her up last week needed to go again. After my mother had gone to bed I. went downstairs did my fling thing didn't flush what I woke up to was far worse than if I had flushed oh as I was. GonNa. Shit as what I did was disgusting and rude to the household I told my mother. I had no choice as flushing in either toilet wakes her up. She scolded me further and told me that if I'm you use toilet again at all after people have gone to bed. Things move out. If I need to do I need to The last two nights I have gone outside and Pood- in some bushes at the bottom of the garden, not exactly sure how I mother found out perhaps it was where I put the toilet paper in the been I would guess but she apps she was absolutely livid and his kicking me out of the house anyhow I told her I needed to and she left me with no. Choice with her toilet roll but she told me that what I did was childish and I could have ruined her bosom carly saying a friend for the time being he also thinks mother was being ridiculous at least now I can pooh without being told off for the time being the Essel at the headline I was going to be on his side because like I just love pissing. shitting public like no public but outside twice. On the ground speaking of being in public. This one was just flashed me. Hey, I got I got not just at me at the police to cook for her lifted her whole dress up and it was just like you'll want this off this. is a Chubby lady with was it holds your skirt on talking to your job and then the cops cops, but it was it was by any chance. So this chick just then carpenter titties. Cod. No. Oh my God she's just gross man. But yes how's IT GONNA be the Guy Side But like. Not Anymore by Dana. Just called me. and. I saw that I saw them I don't know why I thought. That was his last name. My phone is Dana Jacobson. Let's see ESPN announced. Dana B. B I got I. got the number of. Beers equals I don't know there's just put Danjaq. Higher, areas. Very funny. Dana. Jacobson. We should start calling him that and not tell them what's going on. but here's the deal. If you saw it you you are against the mother I know I'm with the guy. I was on his side at first because just. Like defecating in public again, not public. Outdoors do you I I I've done it rare. defecating were going to the bathroom. Years Difference Yeah. I like a good outside pests. And then again, the the the the Shit's I've only publicly are keep saying public outdoors are like. Two or three, and they look emergencies certainly pulled off the side of the highway I shit my pay how about when those hikers remember the now gene bottles were out in the streets. Yeah. They're the now gene bottles have a wide opening said you could shit in them. What yet I? Think. Madam that up we just Hearing, who the fuck would shit into a bottle to shit. You're hiking on the ground. I'm pretty sure that there was a thing about that. Nick have you ever heard that by any chance? That answer No haven't heard of your made up rumor Kevin, but it's true now. Bottle locks in the smell, it stays on the outside your pack. Thing, there's no chance what kind of psychopath would share into a bottle. I'm trying to google what what should I google because if it's written like, should I say defecate? Okay you know what I mean because it's kind of like. If you're if you're if this turns out to be a thing, it's going to be written scientifically like not like I shouldn't the bottle I. Would you put your Dick into. You just piss on the ground because you can't show that building although I did that you pissed without you poop shitting. Did. You had you already pissed I guess. So the other day I paid. Hopped in the shower realize that. I was done empty. So then I was able to but I, I hadn't gone that no, but out I had a bone or to. Almost all the time you're Dicky is constantly hard. For you I mean it's it's It's At this age. I kept saying like if you got hair grow it if you dicks hard just let it be. I mean. Three times this morning what? I did between what hours. Nine eleven were you Four. Three was less weird was for lying about these things you you broke off you went eleven instead of twelve time you're a fucking the other day. One down. I mean yeah. We're, the trust Rewi. Tell me the truth four time I did not come came but nothing came out. I'm still really trying to find this fucking Melgen who think okay. Question. Do you put your Dick in it and you piss in now that's the yeah. Yeah. That would be I mean. They. You'd have to have an extremely small penis that's very close to. You know. Shove it in. Got To fucking like pull it back to your fucking look there any hikers listen. Boy, who does a hat like gives the hat because he was out hiking whatever trails he was. See he put the dog poop in there but I think it's a thing I think now gene and Poop is a thing that go hand in hand. About that. But Anyway, the point here is If you ever Shit. In a toilet. Don't flush your Goddamn fucking animal who deserves to be kicked out of the House and what if your mother is complaining about flushing? Now, it's hard to. Shit Yeah I. Want You always in the middle of the night that's All the time at two. Am You very strict? We gotta get on schedule Cert Yeah. But if you shit, you have to flush if she keeps yelling at you like I got just find your the Astle who's you're an asshole who's ruining people's sleep and stuff because you have outrageous bowel syndrome and you gotta you gotTa get you gotTa work on your timing you leave but I had one friend growing up who had a They were a if it's if it's yell at Mellow family. What are you? Great Depression or something like with pets. fucking discuss sometimes it's almost worse because that's worse than the shit smells. Like this shit smell smells when you ship but if it's like sits there in the water, I don't think it like smells bad whereas the smell. Yeah. I got I. Got I got a bone to pick you gotTa Arab some grievances here. Keegan Francis clancy. We've got a problem, but we've got a problem he just. Constantly shifts in his pants. On. He's potty trained to an extent now. and. He gets proud of himself when he poops the body but he'll also like the other day shit in his pants four times in like a night as a how much more shit I was like I wanted to tell them like on number three like next time you shit your pants 'cause you're gonna get it all out. I don't want to do this. Again I'm also the type of like. You. Know I'M NOT GONNA I'm not. I'm not going to clean your throwing that out. So it was really really good close like there goes another outfit they're going bare underwear. Because everytime I shit my pants I just clean. Yet but you got. Kid Marker like. No Shit a you guys. You made fun of me. 'cause I put that stuff in the wash. Right so stupid. Right definitely. Now. On the next I share my parents just throwing it away. This little fucker, Keegan will run up to me and be like. I, put him pants like it's a good thing. Where's this shame have some fucking priding yourself have a little bit ashamed graced seriously the. Shirt by the way, the key verse everybody. You have that shirt is very oddly like perfect for me. So like Keegan Bradley became the People's Golfer right when Keegan my son was being born and not only did it say Keegan's key converse everybody Dave was talking shit about keeping a lot so kinda was like Keegan verses, but Jim. Renner was the original people's Golfer and then he dies. And so we had the black memorial patch for him and it says Jr and he's kind of KFC junior the whole thing came. Oh Yeah I remember asking Welker for those shirts like was at the point where I'm not weren't telling people with the kid's name was. So I was like I mean like some Keegan Bradley shirts and he was just like. You don't need to know. Your Business. So he went back to the issue at hand I'll tell you why guys asshole. If you'RE GONNA shit. In the garden. The covered up. Dig. A hole. Put some. Leaving human. Arden. Yeah. Oh God. You're absolute. fucking. Disaster. For New Shit outside how do you do it you squat? I honestly don't know done I. Think I went hiking how the Mount Katahdin when I was eleven and I'm sure I should outside then. But the only time I really remember is I was coming home from Newport and I pulled off the bridge and went to the woods and I. I shouldn't do a bag. Yeah. So you don't know and once they had the baggage. Fuck this shit this. You, but you were the Asian squad all the way. Yeah. Now I was Kinda can you do? This. You spread the cheeks. was holding the bag. Okay. That's what the hands of I wasn't spread in the chase. He's. I, actually, Kinda can't do I think. There's other get this out. because. Here's. This is the John Across the squad. Pretty good that's pretty solid for me to like. The thing is. They smoke cigarettes for like four. But I think this. Impressive. Destroys right. Now we get here a little bit the Kevin's impressed that he can do the Hoon's and he's right. It's very it's quite good. I cannot do that I tried momentarily and it's not work. This is the flu game with my fucking neck. Breaking Terrible News. We have lost the gum, the gum patch no throughway threw it away. So what I did. was I started another government. I'm just GonNa Pretend it's Jessica. Who Do we have we had we had Ataman. Right? We had just. Element else. Someone recently yeah. Right Oh right? No. Rosler Andy it was like it was it was one of the because it was it was postponed right? MEMBER THEY THREW OUT A. been thrown out all of our DNA. Unfortunate. Speaking of quickly. Your idea for the personality genetics thing. We kinda found one that like does it not as good as ours but we gotta do like we need. So what we need I need. A team of people. To help us with this so Bother. Nick. Email Nick. View. What we need is like A. Nick Dot Hamilton the other Campbell's as. do you guys ever hear the story of the? Radio like intern who thought died. There was a guy early on my my brother was like still looking for help when I was getting this off the ground I think his name was Harry. And I've never heard of this, right. Here, on the show, you know was like prior early, it was like and maybe it was like a little more male time ish maybe but it was like pre-trial disco pre tall one pre steeper. All used to do a little work for Casey radio before we did the second ten. Yeah. We got a long history that nobody knows about but this Guy Harry Either started and did very little or was going down the road and then just like bailed on it but he just stopped no contact no email and like his social media wasn't updated or anything, and my brother was I think this guy died. The only. His footprint was gone and then he got an email recently, this is like ten years ago. Probably he got an email recently in the guy was like I go said you and I'm like I'm so sorry for like it was the stupidest thing I've ever done i. think he was trying to angle to get back into a big deal, but like we thought this kid fucking die. Costa us that. I've never heard of Lyles, right? Yeah. I'll. I'll see if I can get the email from and get the details. If you proven the garden, you gotTA covered up guy. Fact they get. fogging, pick it up with a ballot. Your dog I know do. Leave, human shit in the garden. This. Is One. Sorry Okay next MIS, soul. Am the, asshole for. Asking you my girlfriend who pay for a new prosthesis, those prosthetic prosthesis definitely prosthetic. Yeah I mean European Had An auto accident two years ago left leg amputated. Thought. It would the end of my active lifestyle. Got You. Got It prosthetic the guys are planning an rb trip on the weekend. We had already chosen destination, which was spending some time out in nature to get away from the stress where you would should on the ground. My. Girlfriend asked me if she could come along I told her no, this is a guys trip. told all my buddies girlfriends wanted to go. But that they were firm and they put their foot down she laughed at me for this to convince me to let her come because she was feeling stressed out about being home twenty, four hours a day I already made up my mind I wasn't going to ruin the trip just because she wants to come on a guys trip I promised her a trip when I get back. She got upset and didn't like the whole idea that was one sentence by the way that was. Actually? Bad Writers people later on before I went to sleep I took my prosthesis prosthetic off as I do every night. This is my second prosthetic I've already completed a wearing schedule during my first year and had to get another product to accommodate any physical changes. Have whatever I woke up in the morning couldn't find my prosthetic I looked right I put it was gone. I asked my girlfriend. She's doing any heavy cleaning around the house. She said, she didn't see it. I was confused it was near my bed. I asked her to stop being childish and playing games and give me back by prosthetic again, one long run on sentence. She's a bad liar couldn't even deny it and she said she wanted to hide it so that I won't go on the trip and leave her alone. I got mad at. You're hiding this man's relag monce Munster absolute months I got mad at her for this. I was stunned to find my prosthetic hidden underneath an auto part in the garage it had been damaged. It was placed in a possession where it had a crack. It was obvious. It was no longer functioning properly. Could still wear it but I couldn't put my whole wait on it because it would break I yelled at her shoulder what she did. She said she didn't mean it. At seven thousand dollars worth of damage I told her. She ruined everything can't go on the trip she got mad and left. I basically had to use my old crutches and it felt horrible. I called the guys told him I wasn't coming. It's been a few days. She's mad that I'm asking her to pay for the new prosthetic calling me A. A S A with four asterisks. asshole I don't know that there's not enough words but I'm assuming. Yeah. And she's I mean. You're so definitively not the. Put Your foot down. which not only? Did. Let's look at the results not only. Did you ruined my weekend with the guys at sucks not only? Are you causing me to lose seven thousand dollars or something? You're causing me to use my old crutches to get around which I'm sure. Not only sucks, but it's probably a traumatic. Time washer leg. And all of this is about hiding someone's leg. Ruined my trip and did seven thousand dollars worth of damage to my car and all these things. You'd be the asshole but we're talking about my leg you WanNa. Let me go and then call me nonstop like every other. Every other. Girls, you WanNa ruin a guys. Give him the silent treatment for the whole week leading up to it, call him the hill times hide my comeback. Give me the cold shoulder for four weeks. I remember being like I can go on the guys weekend. But it will cost me one full month. I can have forty eight hours of my friends. It'll be one month of misery with my girlfriend. But don't start hide my leg from me I mean you're you're you're absolutely you're a monster I'm. Actually, it's not a word that gets overused actually and underused word on your monster, and this is this is the thing when. You lie about it. You GotTa know what happened to it were you talking about I wanted to bed Right here. Yeah how it's gone so One of the. Talking about like my leg my leg, you broke my leg to just be like oh Did I mention any ages? That might twenty four. So she's probably yet. She's twenty, four, two I mean. Girls are. Crazy. And I know I I usually generalize, and you usually will stand up for the girls. You had better experiences in your life where girls are more normal when it comes to these things but not all the time yeah. Right. Yeah recently, you've seen the light but I do believe that when it comes to things like this girl's we guys weekends and spending time and the girl wants to calm and you said, no. More often than not is going to be a problem with your girl. But like I said it usually. Usually adds up to. You'RE NOT GONNA have sex with me and you're going to be this cold shoulder and. Yeah pod you don't steal someone's like. I mean those reveal Oleg. Was By. You don't steal a leg. No, it's not. You don't feel like but oh It's always sunny when they're talking about the The guy's house and they're like. Tiny shirts and Nah. Oh steal a guy forget exactly what he says. I ensures. The. Best. By the way I recently do. Charts and knots my my girlfriend didn't know about the whole episode when they're doing the fuck in. The shower. Always shower. He'll be seized and then. Doing taxes? The. Irs Audit the piss out of him. Is that whole episode. So fucking. But? What's the line in the in the fire? Taps have respect is I am legend that but we were made that a t-shirt. No, we put that picture on it. Pretty. Good. Bachelor my girlfriend, the other day the in between periods 'cause beautifully streaming twenty minutes twenty minutes. the fucking. Gained desperately tries to win the ward. And I mean it is. It's got to be one of the best absolute television ever because when you understand what like what they're doing is. They're trying to talk about their emmys. I. It's so Nice. I wanted to get you can't be too black and you never win and it's it's like well. I'm black show. Black Bar those don't WanNa Watch It is all so fucking funny and good is unbelievable. Can I tell you how warped my brain is real quick silent. Because you're always talking about like gin raped and stuff. When you said in between periods I, just thought like you were able have sex with your girlfriend. Know watching the bruins lighten and also another horrendously like perverted warped thing I was. The other day I took a day off to go swimming with my kids and your girlfriend had texted me asking for videos and it was when we were talking about only fans left and right she sends him videos if you got him. And I was like us. This is my. Subscribe to a couple, I can send you. So those of you. I had some decor most send her other naked people and then I quickly realize she meant like kids swimming. Oh Man. My brain is like when I'm in dad mode, it's single guy motives. Warped world. I mean full-blown. You're the ASTLE. All right now it's time for our voicemails. 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This is gonNA cost like one hundred, seventy dollars removed right now and so what happened is we decided to go through. All right expects the sixth the cement off the car get this man off the car right now I can't have that and so. Essentially. She won't pay for it and I feel like she should have to pay for it because. If you know she parked the car they're so like. It should be her responsibility to get cement off the car, but she's saying that we should split it or that I should pay for it is my car and so what do you guys think my the asshole for like making her pay for it or? She the asshole for. Making me pay for. Okay I think you're both the astle. I think she yes. Obviously she should pay for it. That's first of all I. didn't realize is going to be a hundred seventy dollars. That's not you know sounds like it should be like you need a whole new car right cement. The The Yes. She should pay for it but. As. You get older. I don't know how old is caller is as you get older. You realize some fights are not worth one, hundred, seventy dollars. And that's Something that you're paying to fix your car you're paying did not fight with your girlfriend yes. That's so true worth one hundred, seventy dollars every single fucking. Creepy guys say like not paying for sex and paying for. Like, you're obsessed with hookers. The logic does stand in certain instances and it's like. The word. I. Just used their logic. You'RE GONNA run into situations in your relationship. Where you are thinking logically, but you are talking to a beast that is irrational. When the girls are upset or when they feel like they've been backed into a corner or when they know that they're in the wrong like if it really was her idea to park there and it totally backfired, she's not they're not gonna just be like Oh shit my bad. They're gonNA spin and spiral and try to blame it and whatever, and you're not gonNA. Win The battle no, it's a it's a hundred and what you do is you pay the hundred seventy dollars and then you make jabs and jokes about the rest of your. Friends your drinking like the time susie member now you fucking idiot. You. Get it in your jabs and she knows deep down that you're right. But you did the right thing and you paid for it and by the way this goes for all right if it's one hundred, seventy bucks I say. That's not enough just pay it, and if it's five thousand dollars then doesn't matter if it's a little or a lot because then it's almost too much speaker pay you'll never hear the end of it. So either way you're paying for this. That is a metaphor for basically relationships for a lot of guys where it's just like. This. Doesn't make sense and you shouldn't have to but you have to just like A. KFC five super super producer and. intern if he's still there how you guys doing I got a quick question for you. So would you rather know a lot? About, like a few topics, it'd be complete genius on maybe two or three topics every detail in and out or would you rather know? About a lot of things. So for example, there could be a hundred subjects and you could go a little bit about each subject and to Sima. You have a lot of knowledge could be dropping fat bombs about you know each topic. Or would you rather just be a complete genius about say three topics every single detail in and out you know if you wait him out at a party, you could just everyone's look guy he knows everything because you're dropping million facts about a million different things. But on the other hand, a certain community about you know one certain topic that the guys God he knows everything about this said thing so I don't know. Let me know what you guys thanks to question. That was on my mind this morning I think this is one of the easiest questions I never been my whole life. Was Your answer I would rather know a little about a lot. That's what I say. But like giving you get rich. If you just know everything about a certain topic, you get rich the other way Joe Rogan the serogin two or three facts about everything in the world, and that's it and he's fog in the most powerful guy in America. That's the depends on if I know everything about like. How To cure the corona virus right now sure but if it's lake. Man, this guy knows everything about like you know wouldn't. Great. I'm not trying to be Ron Swanson exactly. Yeah. Yeah. Life is you know when you're all golfing And you you. You hit like. Four or five good shots day right and you're like, okay that like I've shown the world, I can do it like you see what I can buy when I'm operating my you. It's possible. That's that's like us need three or four good shots about every topic. Yes that's all. Oh, he's a fucking gene. As most people don't know anything about anything exactly. Joe Joe Rogan and I think some people use this almost as a knock on them I. don't I think this is like a great trade of his. He knows just enough more. So than most people do I've read an article on a topic Joe Rogan can just reference like one scientist and one other thing and so. You listen to and he's obviously greatly personable and like knows how to explain it. But like in forget about if you're a podcast, if you're that guy people be like, you know, maybe you don't want to know this because people bother you a lot but it's like Jon Jon can figure that Allan Talk to John, he knows about those things but I think that you you knowing just enough about everything you are versatile. You know you can. I can help you out like we can try to build the thing. I can tell you about sports day about women I can. You know whatever it is whereas it's like if you're one topic doesn't come up your useless. Now. If I if I was an expert at something, I, would just like make that my life so that at all times it does come. Even consider asking me about right. Party or whatever, and it's like, okay. Anybody want to talk about like piano piano expert about it. Otherwise you're useless. Yeah. No thanks Bro not interested yeah. The I I don't know a little bit about everything but I know a little bit about a lot. I'm closer to that. Do you think that's a male trait? Again as always generalizing but like. Are. I've had I know like 'cause I watched like aliens and like catch like a dumb like history documentary or whatever, and sometimes I feel like I know these things and and girls, and I'll talk to you how do you know that and I'm like I don't know how do you not know something? You. Don't like soak up any any shit. You know what I mean like I'm I'm not an expert but I just I know some it's like jeopardy facts was just like I. Don't know it's stuck in my brain. Yeah. 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It's game over like we cannot do the pot anymore. I can't even lift it interesting. For? Real. What would it take for us like for one of the call it quits. Anything. What if you if you went on like a whole? Racist Ran Oh. Yeah. That would do it but. What would racist Shit Review. Like. A racist meltdown. But like I don't think sexist meltdown with do it and depending on what you said. You would have to say some seriously magic words for me to totally bounce. Yeah I don't think there's anything that would be like. And by the way, not only just out of friendship with out of like. Well, then I'm out of a job. I. Don't want to come. To nose despite your face here. The. I A fucking tough question. I in twenty says it's all serious answers You know you need to like assault somebody or? The girl a girl. Yeah. That's what I meant. I didn't WanNa use our word. Assault guy now you beat them up. Which I think it'd be pretty cool talk about. They segment. Tom. BEAT UP A guy. That had to be like some assault on a girl horribly racist tirade. That's like it. It's like. Kind of like America, it's like don't talk about dogs and don't do black face don't be racist and don't be. Like you need to cancel the show before I break up with your like the preemptive break-up. If you if you really show. So, actually, the answer here is there's nothing right because if in order for you to do what it would take for me to break up with you, our show would be cancelled and then I'd be like what break up because there's no show. Yeah. So we still secretly be your friend and but that was crazy when you went on that racist. When I wouldn't have to publicly disown you because the public would disown us. Job Anyway. Interesting. Started only vans. This, is kind of like the fourteen year old boy thing. That sounds pretty good. You, Bella foreign. But yeah, I mean that that's really like it would have to be the the nuclear options for a weird pinkie toe I probably will. Probably do. I think you know that and then if you had a huge Dick. New I do get upset when you're in shape faulk on the one now. So if you became super hot. Owned bring me but it would change the dynamic. He's clearly the hot one. Really we're good or even you know even. If you. Super Hot, and they'd be like Oh. There's Casey radio. It's like there's like Dan's the mustache one and not a long haired like. The HOT ONE IN CANDIDATE I quit I q John? I'd probably the same probably the same you're so vain if it was just like. I. WanNa Fuck Case Radio not final right. The car that. I always think about that with the boy bands where it's like, Christopher Patrick. I know they're here for Timberlake. Guess the paychecks good enough, but he can't go home. Happy. So. Stay of. John these fucking stupid pants you. See my hair. Yeah. L. Like bugging pirate dreadlocks. I'm wearing fucking pants I. got hot topics you're. GonNa having fun up here. Forty. All Right Violet Benson. Time. Violet. From Daddy issues on Instagram, she got her own podcast now too tired to be crazy. Very, impressive grow Russian Emigrant Golic started from nothing is now she's worth like millions of dollars and you can just hear her being like humbly talking about it but it's just like Oh yeah no, you're fucking healthy rich. Oh, I can tell by the couch. Yeah. The Houses A. You just no I don't have a that All right. Let's do it. Violet brought to you by Miller lite. So. You know you sit down. You have a conversation like this. You got a pretty girl and you want to impress her crack some jokes you're out on a date podcast interview showing how conversation everything exactly you open up a Miller lite if John, you give it to your buddy to open up a middle life than you pass it back to them. Miller lite is the number one beer. 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Hot Sauce is new millions. Go bills is there is nine million and violent. It is wreaking havoc inside of me. And it's been like almost twenty four hours now he's sweating he's dying he. Sweating gummy bear destroyed him. It's kicked his. I just cancelled their I'm here for you of course, would miss this. canceled. Therapy as I can't. I have to go. I love it. Let's go violet Benson's back on KABC radio. Though. Yeah what is what's wrong it's early early there you just don't like waking up early now it's I took edibles last night. All right. So you probably some gummy to go fucking everybody up. Yeah all right I get it dragging a little bit because he had a bowls, but you're here now and I'm proud of you because last time we talked. To billion followers and no podcast and I was like should start a fucking bond cast and you have and it looks like it's crushing. Correct. Good Mu Good. Humble about. Taking. It was worth. It was worth it right. I don't know you know I. I am humble, but I just try to go by. I'm not saying the men do this war, but I just kinda go. But like if if you don't believe in yourself, then how do you expect other people too so it's Kinda. Like fake until you make it. So I'm just constantly like I hide myself off so that other people want to hype me up Yo that's the message right there if you can fake it till you. Make It. You can be anything and I feel like I mean daddy issues was so big and then obviously with caller daddy and just the way like the the market has kind of gone towards like girls who can just say whatever the fuck they want and be funny sexy and just like do what basically guys have done forever you were in perfect spot just taking around with it. Yeah. I would say like daddy issues definitely like the original Daddy and I'll always hold that title. I have no problem with like other people coming in and doing somewhere thanks to me because in the end of the day, there's no such thing as be someone being originally just up to you than to reinvent yourself constantly while about the sees. Letterman. Show Times God. Bless you. How Feel you wait you're allergic to your own cat. That's a conversation for right now, how do you have a cat? If you're allergic allergic to it I didn't know the allergic to she was my first animal that'll do it. Kills me? anyways. Solid your Joe Exotic I animal. I've never had an animal before but you make it sound like you have like a whole bunch of fucking animals. Do you have a zoo in the back? Now I've never had a dog or cat cutting grow with one allergic. Of Kokomo. Continue. Okay. So anyways, I come the original daddy and the. My account are always going to be like one of those Oh. Gee accounts were I love like I feel like would I with my podcasts? It's a little different is that it's actually mostly not about sex like a lot of the time. It's more about like self healing or like other type of issues. Yes. It's about sex tubes. I'll talk about that. That's not the main thing I feel like that's how now with my podcasts I'm able to like reinvent myself and again be a little bit different. Yeah. Man I mean that's that's the name of the game like just changing and evolving, and if you keep being a one trick pony. Eventually he's going to run out although that's what we've been doing. We haven't really evolved. We're just a one trick pony we just keep. One one bucket trick over. Are you a daddy personally? Do you say Daddy? Yeah you do like the. In bed will you actually say Daddy? Honestly I feel like when I was younger megs boy for Wyoming to say daddy analysis is. My. Dad and are finally working relationship. With. Daddy issues not trying to open up. Like you want to call me like I have to come daddy when he's like bucking me from the bag but then like my guys calling me and it's a call in my phone who is still called his daddy. Can't. Use It was too weird for me. I've had that happened wants whereas sleeping with a girl who was constantly saying daddy as like I in one time I was literally inside for you gotTa Stop I. Feel I think the first person ever? You you ever going to happen, right? Yeah. It was. It was like two thousand twelve and that girl was saying Daddy. What the, fuck Shoe, whoever that chick was some random on the road in northeast she was ahead of her fucking time. She. Checks he was a nice girl I. Like her and I respect her at all that stuff which she said daddy too much. I I like them on guys. Call Me Daddy you go. The just like conversation. Second you been having sex with someone in the middle of having sex review said yet daddy. I feel like I wonder maybe as a joke if I made them say as a joke but. They weren't they didn't mean it. Better not and sex I like when a guy calls me Daddy. I make you a solemn promise right now I'm never going to call girl Daddy. It takes. It takes a lot to make me feel uncomfortable I am uncomfortable at the thought of calling a girl Daddy. That's it. It did it. Shit. So how do you find the podcasts Debbie therapeutic then because that's I mean I find the business basically my therapies zip. This is the place writers get all my shit out and if I didn't have the podcast I probably jump off a bridge. Honestly I do because there's I am my own episodes and people don't. listen to episodes like Oh. She's she's crying on this one. Okay. She's trying again and they really don't know how many times I edit out all the other times crying out. Like I would say, yeah, definitely therapy I'm just like always this crying people like damn. You talk about all time hunt I'm lake. Have you listened to my pockets this literally just me cry. And it's I mean I want one hundred percent more honest on this podcast than I am. I Li- at Darby all the time I refuse to tell my therapist the truth it's so. I want to say I I I. Face, line to my therapist junk. It's. Not Trying to admit what I do wrong. I, know when I when I'm wrong I'm just trying to celebrate that you're not gonna I'm not telling you this shit. After awhile you keep secrets therapist you're just like and then I'll be like you know it's fine. Whatever like I don't even care about it, and then we'll talk about something else and then like, damn why am I paying this woman doesn't Find. My therapist exclusively exists and. I love you. I really do awesome but exist to run game on what would work on the podcast. Just working on material just. Plays. Producer basically. Complete production meeting. Yeah. You're doing like A. Producer credit. Running game. That flopped. Love it. Last time you were on the show you were talking about some of your hookups with a basketball player. And I don't know if you saw this but today. This chick went on Do you know the no jumper podcasts yeah. So this girl went on the no jumper podcast and told Adam that she was one-sided hotel hooking up with this dude and that seven dudes from the Phoenix Suns showed up at the hotel and she just blew all of them. And? priding herself by the way on not actually having sex I didn't have his with I just blew them but. It's about to take the Internet by storm like just came out now, and this girl is just Aaron people out. I. Mean she started out being a little bit coy and then in the on instagram comments be like it was the sons it was this guy this guy went first and second horrible. There's there's there's there's a code to the. She didn't have to name name. Bright Still Phoenix Suns that's the whole. Team. But I feel like that's kind of like violating the rules of the game. What do you think? I don't think it's violating the rules of the game as just like I feel like it's Kinda you sign up for if you're famous in general time you hook up with somebody it's up to you to figure out whether or not. They're going to open their mouth but I don't understand like. Obviously, my whole brand is very pro-women like it's four women. It's women empowerment. Don't I never understand when girls are really proud of themselves when they don't fuck with they give head because it's like, what did you even get out of it? You blew the whole team for what did you get a car like you did you know you got nothing all Yugala, just come in your hair. And a story? I honestly, I'm so on board with that when you hear a girl, I only blew him like that's that's way worse. It's way more. Like. A girl if I was GonNa, if I was going through a girl and she had hooked up with a friend of mine and I was like deciding whether that's you know I'm going to deal with that if I found out like, Oh, I didn't Bang Them I just blew him I'd be like that's worse to me. That's going to be more of a problem for me then if you just had normal sex. Most likely if I said that I probably did fuck you. Know. Just. thinking big like I. Know that I know that's growing. That's not like a trick that we're buying. Okay. Girls we know that you did. Yeah when when a girl tells you like, Oh, i. just blew him because he's trying to make it less. We know that you fucked probably did anal to give me a break girls that's been working all the time. Yeah, and Hasn't now I like how I look on the notes for violence episode and every Rony it's like violet can be as PG or are rate as you want seven minutes and we're like, what's your view on blow banks? then. We push that envelope real quick. Quick. Well listen the game. Yeah, I've been so I've been so. Like off of guys for well, I mean I would say like this year it's like I don't even really haven't even I'm the last time I had sex was like the beginning of April and was with a guy 'cause I don't really think around like I usually like to recycle the. Back to the well, the the number doesn't go up. It's amazing. Yeah. Hey Myself For the venue I felt like I was leaving. I eight men for the fact that we put that upon you women that you think that's a thing. Oh, Johnny feminists has come out to play well like. Giant doesn't get looser just because other penises have been in ads doesn't happen. It's crazy. It's crazy to think that we are like your pussy will be loose if you have too much sex, but it's not like our dicks get thinner. That if it was like, Oh, you dicks thin because he's been in too many girls. No, that's not a fucking thing. I mean, obviously, it's not true. Obviously every girl I would hope she knows that's not the case I mean you're regina literally goes back to normal after you have a baby like anything definitive there if you tried. To get. My Dick is not even close to Vegas. You could just grab off the walls household appliances like anything can get in there really is let's See this year I feel like I just like after the Alec I was just going on dates and like I wouldn't even kiss guys like a normally women kiss on the first day like you said like in your notes, she goes from PG to rated R really fast. That's literally kind of how I am so extreme it's either like don't touch me or it's like, should we fuck? But that's kind of like the best way to be right I mean I feel like, i. thing that guys are always looking for is a girl who's like Ken flip that switch either direction like it's time to sign to be glasses time to be proper whatever. But then like when we're alone is time to be an absolute fucking Free Oh. Yeah. Thank you again pretty normally classy with guys signing all these guys take me out of this by me flowers are just so kind and I love that I'm not sleeping with any of them because I learned who apparently also you have to do. You whatever just so pretty easy formula Ivan. So War With even dating I kinda got over in like I haven't really dated anyone the past two weeks within this weekend I went out and I'm like, I have a lot of good guy friends and we went out with my guy friends we to dinner just a few of us that were like Oh this so hard like invite her and always do this thing where I'm like A. Without realizing I, invite her, and then instead of her like giving attended any of the guys like I just want all that attention. So I ended up hooking up with her. Honestly. That's a cock walk but I'm that's the best kind of block I'm sure guy friends were okay with that one I. Like I, like word Choi. Easily That was awesome. Now when when you say Or dislike. As long as you tell me, it happens. All good. That's all I need up here. To that did you go home there? You mean like hooking up at the bar and stuff? Well know what bar we were. We went to my friend's house and. Like. She basically was every time. Someone goes on my podcast like we've just become friends was on my podcast like two weeks ago or something, and she kind of made a comment that she's not fully straight those. Okay. Cool. Like I. Remember that many way when she came over, she just looked so good and I just been. So bore replied I'm like Oh. Okay and anyway, we just end up just like We all were going in the pool and again like I'm the most innocent one. So like everyone changing debating Susan just like no I don't want to change and I'm like, okay, fuck I'll just go naked. That's not go. Just, went while topless and then we heard I just ended up like Randomly just like full on making out with each other in the pool like it was like. The beginning of appointment didn't continue to acquire because finally I just like because she like. Pushes on top of her, and we're just like making on my guy friends and other guys some guys like this one guy was trying to get with me. So they were just like what the fuck is. Again I think John I'd be totally without right like if you actually I would prefer that if you told me like you're going for this girl tonight but at. The end of the night Chicago with you she'll just be making out with the hot chick in the pool I'd probably signed for that. That's much more rare that just hooking up with the girl it's a much better story to tell right and I've I've actually only gone skinny dipping one time in my life and it was with a girl and she didn't Hook. Up Oh. that. Hurts that I mean. It's one of the wildest things it's like, Jesus? Studer saw my body was like. The worst feeling ever. So vulnerable. Honestly, violate you have no fucking idea you have. Girls have a great idea this actually, but guys also deal with it so much and it's not talked about like insecurity issues. The girls was like a huge topic and with guys just like iron know man just like figure it out. It's like I don't know I. Don't want. Our I've talked to Miami, floor because it's just like when you get naked when you're about to have sex, it's like very vulnerable for both of you because you're literally seeing each other naked and it's like so both of you need that confidence feel good about yourself because like you're feeling insecure and really like nine times out of ten, the girl going to be prettier or hot or in better shape or whatever I in my experience it's ten times a hundred percent of the time. The girl is always better in better shape than I am led to grow this thing because the girls mind because of everything she's montage she so much more insecure than you are talked isn't it? It's so. Blow it up and start over I was actually talking to Casey. WHO's a girl who works today and she's like you can never hooked up with a person has like never but no one who's up with me can say, right? Every person I've ever hooked up with is like slumming. fucking down there like all right I'll talk to a guy well, this Sunday enough money guys like I'm not saying you guys anyone slumming down with people I'm just saying like I'm never like. To actually go for Lux so that yeah, that well, that's the only reason that. I've ever had sex. Also. A. I don't really care what you look like Yeah as long as you're funny. Why are you telling me? I. Don't worry you guys I'm talking to you don't have to be good looking. Fuck, you. So wait to go back to a comment. You made earlier. We just had this discussion yesterday on the podcast. You have these guys right now we're buying you flowers and shit. They're doing like these grand gestures. And is and is it working? I mean. Yeah. Because they get to go on a date with me or to but then now I just feel like nothing to do that's working. If it was somebody I would be into. Yes. Somebody somebody was also ignored the in text me three am that wouldn't work it. Just me now like I'm looking for like my purse, my partner, my like full-term partner. So as I'm realizing that my sanders have gone up like beginning of the year, my Santa's were like you have a job. No, that's okay. Just like moving with me that was like my standard the beginning of the year because I? was just so lonely and I was just dating guys who don't have jobs are younger than me and I was like their mother and then my sanders then I start fucking this guy used to bang which I love sleeping with them but I wasn't like that good to him and then you know we parted ways I wanted him to find somebody could love him the way I can't such A. Hero you're here dumping this guy who loves you awesome. Not, really Oh. Maybe, they'll invite you to the fucking wedding maybe you can marry them together violet. It's all you. That's the goal. Weight okay. So seriously though. I need to dating other men and I started when I started today, it was like normally like I don't even kiss on the first day and it's not even a rule not comfortable yet it's really weird. It takes me a second to like feel comfortable with somebody. That's all I have the time like debating like friends because I know them pretty well but anyway so the days I'm going it's actually like an interview. So this I'm like Oh you have a job. Okay. Next like I'm not just going to be like just love me my daddy issues getting better somehow meet all these unemployed. La Man. No. I feel like everybody in La is unemployed they're just trying to. Yeah. Yeah. So wait let's be honest I mean you're killing it right so you're probably Every guy you meet are you running into I? Know you're killing it because that fucking couch that couch was so sick whole setup. Things in the background. Love. Thank you art and everything is saying like, yeah, I make a bunch of money now. So are you running into issues with guys who are like trouble with the girl being a boss? That's I. Feel like that is a problem like I guys act like Duncairn Care Oh, I found like for guy end his lungs guys motivated like for me. What am I ca- cheerios it's really hot if a guy's really determined so I'm okay I, make more money than these guys because the guy do meet I make more money than that's right. So it's impossible to make more money than. Talking. Axa Fax it is what it is. No. I don't mind as long as the guy's really motivating of has like a five year plan and he's driven and like I'm not his life, he like working puts it I actually prefer Oh fuck you the minute that you don't get the attention. You want you're throwing a hissy fit? No not yes you are when he's like I can't. I already know you you as soon as he's like, I'm not come over tonight because I gotta work. You're like bitch get over here now. Okay better be by. Wholeheartedly get that like it doesn't really. You just have to have something you want to be great It can be painting like you could be talking Pam from the office and I I don't like. You don't have to be famous painter, but you need to have something gets you up in the passion, the passion right. I just wanted to be so passion Louis, do because it's so hot to me and it's inspiring to me, and then we inspired each other to be the best. One I'm behind like I have no problem sharing the spotlight or being behind man spotlight. Bother me I don't always have to be the center of attention. So it's like if it's one night album, my man like trying to get some deal, close a deal like I'll be that side kick and I'll say, Oh, do whatever he wanted to order free to get the deal because that's so hard for me and like means fighter to literally be like bosses the best ever like I love that. Okay. So let me take it to extremes. What what what would you think? Then would be the better direction to go for your guy and we're generalizing here of course but you're a guy going after a girl to be like the asshole who doesn't text or only tax at three am like you said or be the guy who's like over the top flowers like in your face too much where it's like annoying. Will depend on much the girl likes him and also the penzone trying to get the guys are trying to fuck the girl and he doesn't want to date her. Yeah. Do the three m saying because Felicia is going to be like he's so hot and called like I, like I do even notice any so ugly that is Dick is so small because he's so mean to me now I want him. The biggest smile on my face right up until we to the the Dick. Cars like Shit. Yup this is. But if a guy likes gives me like flowers romantic even if I didn't consider dating him before for Mealey's 'cause I love those gestures it will Pique my interest like I feel like guys I've gone on a few more days. So maybe even should have because like I got distracted by like shiny things what about just like straight text like just forget about gifts and flowers and stuff just texting talking communicating giving attention can you get too much of it? Yes I, mean you definitely supposed to have boundaries plus it depends what each person likes 'cause our lovling, which is also different so like for me the reason I, love a guy that works allies because I'm also working lots if a guy was sexy all day every day I would feel overwhelmed and like I had to answer would it would annoy me but someone else my one of my best friends girl she's a cancer. Zodiac signs matter she loves the attention. So she needs a lot of that Texas. Don't matter. I know guys. What'd you say? I thought she when she had. Z. Cancer. Don't be mean she has cancer. Okay. I am just learning about this love languages thing. Yeah I I'm going to look at it right now I have no idea what my. The five love languages. I would be much touched. Permission Gifts Mitch do we date oh? You just listing them I thought you were saying what mine is that. Mine are for sure. You can have more than one and you can have one. More than one physical touch quality time, Don don't need the rest of them. Yeah. Yeah. I mean I don't need I. Definitely. Don't need gifts. You can throw gifts out the fucking window. It's A. Show. Love. By. Going down. What I maybe Purvis. All right. So then I got them all they're not. Physical touch and acts of service Bam, go down on you. That's two birds one stone so I got. You love to receive the love and how you give it just as a whole fucking thing Like touch yeah, I, love the touch and then like I back with information okay I need I need words about formation people are means to be on the Internet. So you have to be nice to me. You have to physically touch me you have to give me quality time and now I'll kind of do I'll I'll do any of these if you want me to do them. You tell me what yours is and I'll deliver I'll by the way I'll do i. don't need them all well. I just put it out there that you. Thought Right now you did something you did something. So amazing. So different all go down. You thought like I'm about to get up and start clapping give you like, wow, you're a hero. Thank you so much for serving this country. It's like I'm sorry that's literally the bear. fucking minimum Texan ground go down on her thank you for being a man 'cause that's literally what you're supposed to be doing. We aren't Arnold, hero? I want the crown in the sash because I. Agree with you. We're like what anyone ever says that will be like you don't go down like Libya on had that happens us on woody coming cast this week or last week and she was like I had a blueprint who didn't go down like. Religious physically didn't understand what that man that doesn't make any sense to me. I think you've got. Like sexuality issues, you don't WanNa go down with on a girl. I think someone's guys don't know how this girl's really weird about their vaginas to like I really weird like the beat for the first time of government somebody rather have sex before they go down meet unless they're just like really good idea. They make me feel really comfortable I, always like really uncomfortable for a second. To snap guys get from girl point of view I don't really get it from a guy point of view like you're bad at it. It's like well, how the fuck are you going to get good at it? I got a little fucking shit for I. Don't know how. Can. Mess. Go Crazy. Just, get in there and go nuts were up to find its way. I've never read a book. I've ever been John. Instructional video is just instinctual thing. You just get down there you muck a barn. So do girls ever come when you guys go down. Just to. Reward if you guys are invaded girl come. They definitely tell me who are. Not. As often as we would like I would like to think I've achieved it at some point. I'M TIRED OF BEING SELF DEPRECATING Girls come every time I. Give you multiples. You'll be walking away with shaking legs. Okay. It's the fact the fact. Still about grows using vibrators while they have sex. Let's fucking. Yes, make this easier and more fun for me. Sign me up. As Great. Yeah. Some guys get so weird about that. Well, how about this? How about the double standard with guys and sex toys? If a guy has a sex toy, he's a fucking creep. A weirdo girls can have a whole fucking arsenal of like machinery to come. Yeah I, mean, that is funny. It's like used to play with barbies now you're playing with my. And if a guy's like fucking something or whatever you'd be like A guy and you went home with him. He's like this is like the flashlight that I fucked. You would ask you exactly. How that's not fair, that's what we call double standard fucked out. I. One time and threw it away before my girlfriend came over and so she couldn't find. Exactly. Good. No I didn't I actually didn't care for it really So it wasn't like a it wasn't a big loss. But I was. GonNa die I would so daytime if he was using a sexy was fucking I would think it's funny. But then when we stop talking about my boss. I would definitely make fun of you behind your back for it. I love it. That's the Kinda Shit. You can get on too tired to be crazy. It's violence new podcast of course, daddy issues. How how will we have followers now? I mean it's got to be a ridiculous number you don't even know. I don't know like four point two, four, point, three million but then I personal instagram was like six, hundred thousand. and. Then my podcast him doesn't have that many followers are has only like eighty, five, thousand or something she got to work to do everybody go follow too tired to be crazy violent Benson and daddy issues you can get more stuff and violent crying. As always, we thank you for the time Bro. You so much for having that a lot of fun. I. See. 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LW1193 - Innovation and the Clich

"Off Years the editor of Lens Work Publishing Brooks Jensen as an introduction to this topic. Let me begin with a little bit of inside baseball as they say. Did describe how it is that these podcasts come about. Oftentimes they're sparks from something. I read or something someone says to me or an idea. Get an e mail. Sometimes it's ideas that just bubble up out of nowhere. As I've often mentioned this happens a lot in the shower for some reason so I actually have a divers where I can jot down ideas before I forget them while. I'm still in the shower. And that's what happened this morning at phrase occurred to me out of the clear. Blue Sky jotted down. I had no idea where it was going. But I've been thinking about it all day in it's led to a very interesting train of thought. I WANNA share with you. The phrase is as a pursuit in life. The creation of art seems to be a dance between innovation an execution dance between innovation and execution. And here's what occurred to me while I was thinking about this. I've been listening to two different kinds of music of late. I've for reasons I can't explain really gotten into the piano concertos of Rachmaninoff. And I've mentioned that these are available on Youtube Etcetera. Play by this brilliant Chinese Pena's named Eugene and by sheer coincidence. I've also discovered a composer. Young woman who is very talented at composing classical music. And she's been exploring lots of other genres of music are names Nari Soul and she has been discussing of late in some of her Youtube Videos John Cage and his work. With what's called a prepared piano. He would take an open up a piano and attach things to the strings. like paper clips and whatnot and and the piano would make very funny noises and oftentimes. He would not really play music. He would just play notes and things and very innovative very creative. Very modern very sort of avant garde out there and she's been exploring some of his ideas so I I had these two things that are clashing in my brain the extreme precision and accomplishment of the execution of Rachmaninoff by Eugene Dong and John Cage and is prepared piano as explored by Nari Soul. I think these two extremes are what got me thinking about the dance between innovation and execution. LemMe ask the question. This way in terms of piano music which is a higher form of accomplishment. The extreme innovation of John Cage thinking way outside the box not only thinking outside of meter and normal harmonies and progressions but thinking about outside normal instruments. And how they can be modified in played with talk about innovation way out there so we applaud that to some degree and then at the other end of the scale is you. Juwan and her unbelievably precise playing Rachmaninoff. And the the execution that she brings to his scores are not only extremely high in terms of technical proficiency but also in terms of emotional content. So that's a very high measure of success. But can't we agree that these two are at essentially completely opposite ends of the creative spectrum? Both forms of music can bring out emotions. Strong positive and negative is zoom and both of them can be seen to fall in some sort of competition or scale of things. And which do we appreciate more? Well obviously the reason I bring all this up is because I'm thinking about this relative to photography to what's more important in photography extreme innovation here. I'm thinking of the inventive work from the imagination of photographers like Jerry. You'll Zeman or John Paul Capela Negro or Huntington Witherell or dominic rouse or the incredibly precise execution on very traditional lines. And here on thinking of Bruce Marne bomb and John Sexton and and even people like Steve McCurry. Which do we value more? The key idea here seems to me to revolve around our expectations. If we go into a piece of artwork with the assumption that what we're looking for is incredibly talented sensitive execution and we see something like the prepared piano of John Cage or the innovative of Jerry yells men or someone we might say. Well that's not what I call a picture because it doesn't look like what we expect a fine art photograph to look like on the other hand if we go in assuming that what we value. Is something really innovative? Something we've never seen before then we can look at work like. Oh maybe even Louis Balsam Robert Atoms and Lee friedlander Gary Winner. Grand and say well. That's that's not what I call a picture. But wow is that fantastic. Because it doesn't look at all like we expect a fine art photograph to look. I think it's easy for us to appreciate the fact that there are two camps. It's perhaps even easier to fall into one of those two camps without even realizing it if we're a traditionalist we're gonNA look at the innovative and the Avant Garde is being weird and certainly when people look at oh do sharp or Mcgraw eat they might look at those paintings and say that's weird. That's you know. Because it doesn't look like Rembrandt Raphael. On the other hand if greet and duchamp painted like Rembrandt and Rafael. We might look at it and say well. That's boring because it's not innovative so therefore it doesn't seem to add much to the history of painting and so we're not interested in it. Well we can do exactly the same thing in photography. How do you evaluate work when you look at it? Do you evaluate it based on its execution and how well it conforms to the cliche or do you evaluate it based on its innovation and how different and unique it is. There is a position in the Middle. Which gives me pause for concern. Because if what we're trying to do is have the best of both worlds have innovation and traditional execution for example. Then the only thing that's left is what you point your camera at that is to say trying to find something that hasn't been photographed as artwork before and turn that into your bailiwick or your creative vision. In hopes that people would look at it and say beautifully done traditionally printed man fantastic execution of something. That's never been photographed before and isn't that Nice. Do you realize that that's exactly what happened? In the early history of painting this has been discussed by lots. And lots of people. Certainly not a unique idea. And certainly not my own but basically the idea's this for generations for literally. Hundreds of years painting was of the human figure primarily religious pictures descent from the cross kinds of things but usually what happened in those paintings as they had to be set in some kind of scene and so there would be introduced in the background. Some little bit of a tree or a little stream or a building or something and with enough passage of time and hundreds of years. Painters started saying to the figure move over. We're we're more interested in what's going on in the background than we are in the human figure or the story and landscape painting was born but when landscape painting was born that way there were probably lots and lots of people around who said well. That's not what I call a painting because whereas the people this is just a bunch trees that's not very interesting so it was innovative but it wasn't traditional and it certainly didn't measure up to the kinds of execution that were expected in a portrait of a person or the painting of a of a story seen or some such thing but eventually landscape was fully accepted by the painting world and their came on the scene painters who really excelled at landscape painting and it sort of became normal until eventually people said well. Wait a minute Move over landscape. We're interested in this bit of Flotsam Jetson and we want abstracts in you know with enough passage of time. We've suddenly got Jackson pollock dripping paint on canvases that are neither landscapes nor are they portraits and so we value that some people value Jackson pollock's work because it's so innovative and so different. I think the exact same thing can be said of photography in the early days of photography mostly what people were interested in photographing was portraits pictures of people. It was so innovative and people wanted to have pictures of themselves and so a huge branch. Photography took off in that direction and then eventually landscape came about in an abstract. It's the same kind of pattern. Well here we are today here. You are today as an artist trying to make artwork. That is personally expressive. Which do you value more in terms of what you create? Are you most interested in pursuing traditional execution at the highest levels so that someone might look at one of your landscapes and ansel Adams landscape and say I can't tell the difference because they're both executed so well that might be the high water mark for you or you might really Value Jackson. Pollock and John Cage in the prepared piano and say I'm interested in innovation. Therefore you're going to do all kinds of innovative imaginative work. That other people might look at and say well. That's not very you know it's not what I call a picture. It's not anything I can recognize. It's even an abstract or it's you know. Joel Peter Witkin something like that and say that's not a photograph. I can't help but conclude that there there really isn't a right answer to this question but it is as worker to me this morning. A dance between innovation an execution and both have their virtues both have their fans both probably have their non-fans but I think that's not quite the end of the story because maybe from a strategic point of view it's worth asking. Which are we most likely to succeed in when it comes to getting our work recognized in the marketplace in the art world if fame and exhibition publication is your objective. Which is likely to be the path that's going to get you. Those objectives more readily. Is it going to be clean execution of an aesthetic? That's very traditional or is it going to be innovation and that's where I think we get into the rub because I think when it comes to the gallery world and to the publishing world to a large degree innovation is the king. It seems like galleries and publishers are not very interested anymore. In publishing traditional work that somehow the market has sort of leaned toward the innovation side of the equation and away from the traditional cleanly executed beautifully performed sort of work. I'm not sure that's true with the public however I it seems to me that the public still loves traditional work and traditional photography. And if you really WANNA sell work out into the world probably the best thing you can do is make you know. Really pretty landscapes calendar pictures as they used to say. Because that's what the public really likes. But that doesn't appear to be. What galleries and publishers are all drooling over these days? It's the dance between innovation and execution. I'm not sure I have any more conclusions or thoughts about this. Go any deeper than this other than the reality that both ends of that spectrum exist and that from a strategic point of view. Maybe it's worth taking a few moments out of our creative life to think about what we value. Not only in the work that we see in the work that we collect the books that we buy but also in the work that motivates us that we want to do and for various reasons what fills your heart with joy might be one thing what fills our bank account with the results of Sales opportunities might be a different answer. The dance between innovation and execution. Lots to think about here. I'd like to think maybe integration of the two is the best of all worlds. But that's kind of another topic. Get your entries. Ready in twenty twenty. We are shifting gears from six image projects to outstanding single images titled Our Magnificent Planet. Are Themed Twenty. 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The Jackson Pollock of racism.

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He called them quote a very racist group of troublemakers where young inexperienced and not very smart and just days after the president said he wasn't happy with the centre-back chance at Israeli and North Carolina he reversed himself on Friday and said the following to a reporter who asked if he was unhappy with the crowds chant quote those are incredible people. They're incredible patriots. All this comes to the Washington Post confirms that trump's original attack on the squad was not the carefully planned strategy of a political mastermind but the gut reaction of a dotty old racist to a segment on Fox and friends <hes> guys. What did you think of the post story? It says that White House aides didn't think that trump fully understood that his tweets were racist and and said that he thought he was interjecting himself into democratic politics in a good way so yeah well so one thing to do this. Well one thing that comes across in the pieces it was a clearly was a strategy in a discussion they had to go after the squad yes that that is something that they've been talking about trying to insert thinking about how to insert himself into that to elevate those members it does seem as though his way of doing it with something that was more of a kind of Jackson in pollock ask kind of exploration of form so I think both things are true and once again a segment on Fox friends sets the national debate the Democratic Party had its worst Newsday's in a long time when that fight was ongoing and he just like I got it guys jumps in tweets the worst thing possible and unites us behind our reminding that we hate him <hes> a couple of things on the what he said over the weekend one. It's just he's always projecting right like he's a man who's incapable of loving anything but himself and he's accusing them of not being able to love their country. I don't think anyone should be surprised by the pattern we saw. This is exactly what happened. In Charlottesville he was rebuked for being a saying shameful disgusting things and he walked it back a few weeks later because he cares more about looking weak than he does about actually treating people with decency and humanity but what's unfortunately depressing in still the case is the Republicans Washington don't view racism as immoral or authentic to our values anti-theft to our values the country at least not publicly they talk about it as bad politics and <hes> the media often adopts his framing in the discussion <hes> that should be about right and wrong in moral and immoral becomes laundered through the prism of a political strategy discussion whether this will turn out his base or you know fire fire up people on twitter and it sucks and then the final Republican move is always to play the victim and say the Democrats are really the racist and the squad there actually racist and they hate their country and that they the the good people <hes> at the trump rallies are the ones being victimized so it's the same bullshit we've seen for years. Yeah I mean last and last week also we were told by various pundits and strategists that calling out trump's racism might actually help trump and the Republicans but it's clear from the Washington Post piece that a bunch of Republican politicians auditions and White House aides didn't agree it begins of course with a obviously very personal account from White House insider who cares only for the country explaining how Kellyanne Conway was very upset. It was like hey you went too far and trump was like I don't understand what say yeah which is like which just goes to show you. How racist trump really is is that it's not he doesn't even know win? It's racism. He's just like oh well. That's my belief that they should go back to their countries. Is that a problem again. Projecting its in his bones. Racism was grown inside of him. It's a part of him. It's who he is and you got this Washington Post piece to with all these Republicans strategists donors who are like like you know they privately disagree or these <hes>. No one wanted to touch it. One of the advisers said no one wanted to go to him and talk about how this is bad Lindsey. Graham says is quoted as saying he realized that part of it was not playing well which is to your point that we're going to skip the moral part of this to the political strategy and then this was a quote from one of the donors who were all upset Republican donors quote you put your head up and you get it cut off this person said and then everyone remembers you weren't loyal when this blows over yeah which is just says so much about the entire fucking party at this point. Is that like there's a bunch of people who know how wrong this is but they don't WanNa be the one to say it's bad because trump will punish them like this is this is what happens authoritarian regimes right. It's it's a tragedy of the Commons you know. No one wants to be the first one to pop their head up because you know they're they're. They're afraid they're going to get their heads taken off and actually they're correct. They are correct because if you rub Republicans have been willing to stand up to trump whenever anyone does it trump directs the full force of his antipathy antipathy antipathy at them and yet that is not an excuse because first of all when they have decided to say something together it has in the past matter we have been through these cycles before the Washington Post The New York Times have run many of these stories stories after trump crosses a new line of the internal deliberations about how upset they were about trump crossing this new line and none of them knowing how to convince him that he made a mistake. I mean if you dare to speak out <hes> He makes you chief of staff or six months and torture's you grievous you can tell the writers are getting bored and season three though because we're also seeing the emergence reemergence of the Ivanka as Savior Nero Yeah which you know thank God for Ivanka which is why we're still in the Paris climate accord's the women's right to choose protected L._G._B._T.. Rights rights are being respected. She is like delivering on this <hes> getting rappers out of jail in Sweden platform from maybe or they fucked it up but <hes> I want to talk about where trump and Republicans plan to go from here so the post story says quote like others Lindsey Graham urged trump to reframe away from the racist notion at the core of the tweets that only European immigrants or their descendants are entitled to criticize the Country Advisors wrote new talking points handed him reams of opposition research on the four congresswoman pit hitherto patriotism focus on their ideas and behavior not identity some would still see a racist agenda The argument went but at least it would not be so explicit so basically their strategy is don't say that these women of color should leave the country. Just say that they hate the country that is that what we're expected to believe that the Republican Party's strategy is here and I presume that that subtlety will not be lost on the chanting hordes of will trump rally attendees. No there will definitely I mean it's just the idea that pivoting to questioning people's patriotism is the good strategy is the more mild criticism now when you know for a long time in politics when you started saying that someone hated the country or didn't love the country that in itself would be seen as completely outside the bounds of normal political behavior is <hes> is somewhat troubling. Actually I agree it is troubling John Good Way to demand this either birth certificate. It is clear that this is how they want to. This is how the Republicans want to frame the twenty twenty election if they can't write like they they don't they know it's not popular to do to go as far as trump went but they liked the idea of elevating these four congresswoman and making this election about are you a real American or you know. I don't even know if it's that the Lindsey Graham explicitly said he said quote. I don't think Somali refugee embracing trump would be asked to go back and quote so they're not asking if you're an American or not they're asking if you're Republican or not and if you're a Republican then you're on their team and you're okay and then anyone else can't say what they think or believe and like what would they're trying. They're trying to say is yes. You have to be Republican to be used to be Republican to be a real Mary exactly and this is where I get a little frustrated with the press because this craven even strategy to pivot away from pretend you didn't say something racist has been laid bare in the Washington Post in his obvious from all the tweets all the comments from his supporters and the reporting will fall into this frame and become bloodless again in immoral and be like well. How's it playing in you know Wisconsin or whatever state and it drives me crazy right? We'll because in the Washington Post story. We're basically being told that we are being lied to all the time by these people like this whole this whole veneer that all the Republicans have have put up about about how like oh it's not really racist and it's about all the bad comments congresswoman made mobile. We know that's a lie because we see these stories and we see trump's tweets like they are bullshitting us. We know he didn't they didn't introduce the idea of the real reason that they're so so upset is because of several old comments by Ilan Omar <hes> from months ago that is actually what has been driving this entire things just ally it's just it's the largest Elias what it's ret conning to explain what he did before <hes> and there's too many people willing to go on with it because either they they want to because it's better for them or because they have their own equities and see a lot of value in attacking Ilan Omar themselves yeah and you and you know that they're not feeling great about their argument when they send out there too big as boot-lickers to the Sunday shows you had Stephen Miller and Mercedes slap who would just say or do anything donald trump told them Rudy Giuliani is still in his cage somewhere. We haven't seen him in Ukraine trying to take yeah. He's got he's got he's got a he's going to. He's got a magnifying glass and a fingerprint duster. He's in Kiev said two bootleggers time you're gonNA say Mike Pence to who was also on the Sunday shows and was asked or he was interviewed over the weekend and asked about the chance at the rally and he's like. I think if it happened again he may as of yet that was that was incredible. That's the other thing too. Is You know we're about to have he's going to do another rally. I find it very hard to believe leave that trump supporters who are just as aware as us as to what trump really cares about and wants wants them to do <hes> I do not believe that they have taken the message of the past two weeks. Don't you stop shout shouting center. Now that's right <hes> so let's talk about the democratic accredit response over the weekend <hes> Alexandria Cosio Cortez said quote the President's policies are not about immigration. They're about ethnicity and racism and this sentiment was reflected in a great piece by Greg Sargent at the Washington Post over the weekend who wrote quote it's now in arguable bull trump's overall immigration agenda shaped around the broader goal of preventing as many people as possible from getting asylum refugee status here even if they qualify for it on the merits. It's also an arguable that underlying that is the goal of dramatically reducing the number of immigrants admitted to this country and is is trump's own rhetoric has repeatedly confirmed. This is inescapably about reducing the number of nonwhite immigrants here so how should this link between trump's racist statements and his broader policy goals shape the democratic response. Is this a fight that we need to have or do. We think that you know like a lot of pundits suggested we have to sort of pivot away from this to talk about broader economic issues and healthcare and all the way I agree with everything Greg wrote and I think it's indisputable that the ultimate goal is to have no refugees asylum seekers know anyone that isn't currently living here or of white European descent coming to this country. I think the Democratic strategy here should be to pivot to impeachment immediately. There is no zeal the zeal of the converted impeachment advocate but I just think that we I don't want to have a fight where the media is re-litigating like whether this is racist or not or whether some comment that was made by Democratic member of Congress ten years ago I want to start litigating his crimes all the things he's done and said and his corruption also knowing that it drives him fucking crazy and he'll continue to lash out and make it about himself and I think that's the train where we end up winning love. What do you think A._F._C.? Also I think put it in broader context about you know. This is what he believes about immigration <hes> this is his agenda. Here's our agenda right. It's more humanity. It's a humanitarian and reasonable immigration system but it's also action on healthcare. It's action action on all these on this host of other issues. I just look we said this a million times. You you cannot abandon you know you cannot abandon an argument about trump's moral on fitness his his racism his undermining of of our basic tenants as Americans but you also cannot abandon larger argument about how this fits into the policy debates. We're having you just we have to do both. It's the most the bromide it's obvious but it has been true it will continue to be true and no matter what no matter how these fights unfold we will always have to be honest and fight him on on the ways he's dividing and attacking the basic ideas of what it means to be an American while not losing the bigger argument that fits into about why he is dividing people around immigration is because he has no answers not just for not just for White Americans but for Black Americans Brown Ameri- he has no answers for anyone in this country yeah I mean I think it's important to understand that trump's racist tweets as racist comments they are not taking place in isolation right. There's this broader policy agenda attached to it and I think that because there's a broader part of policies and attached to it specifically around immigration which is this is mostly about <hes>. I don't think I don't think Democrats have the luxury of running from that fight. We've talked about this too. I mean while we've been talking about these tweets over the last couple of weeks. They announced that the trump administration wants to accept zero refugees next year zero <hes> we saw that they tried to end asylum for anyone coming in through Mexico. Oh seeking asylum <hes> just today it was announced that they WanNa have expedited removal expanded to everywhere in the United States not just one hundred miles from the border and also affecting anyone not here for at least two years as opposed to two weeks so so I believe that's actually the more serious part of this because the one hundred mile zone actually includes huge portions of America already but this idea of you get stopped on the street and you need to prove immediately documents documentation that two two years <hes> or you could be just removed from the country without <hes> without the intervention of a coach is terrifying and if I just WanNa be clear when I wanNA fight those policies to the greatest extent possible Oh you don't think we should ever be silent in the face of his native ISM racism or nationalism. I think though that for the national media narrative we need to go on offense and start taking it back to who he is human being the corruption the crimes the policies and just create a narrative of our own or else we will just be whipped around. I completely agree with that. I think in the short-term that's absolutely right. This is a question about for the long term for the for the Democratic candidates twenty twenty right like trump is going to do this a million times between now and the election November and I still I am still concerned that love it. You've talked about this a long time for a long time. Now the Democrats they don't have a positive forward looking message of their own on immigration and that it's always either we want to end trump's inhumane immigration policies and when they attack US say oh no we're not for open borders but we don't exactly say what we are for you know and I think on you know in the last democratic debate there was a lot of talk about like decriminalizing the border and healthcare for undocumented immigrants both of which are extremely unpopular policies. There's a new poll out today about that and yet that same poll shows that citizenship for undocumented immigrants which is where you know which is what Democrats have been pushing for a long time would make a huge difference in the lives of undocumented immigrants in this country is it sixty four percent approval and people think it's one of the best new ideas so like I think Democrats have to be able to have a message on immigration that says we want to end trump's humane policies. We WanNa make sure we give citizenship to the people who've been in this country for a long time. We're undocumented immigrants but by the way. Yes we we do want if you come here and you're you come here by crossing the border as an unauthorized immigrant crossing the border we will send you back you know after we've already legalized eleven million people here like we do need to <music> people like oh well. You don't need to do all the stuff just to please Republicans. It's not about pleasing Republicans. It's led it's about letting Americans know exactly what our immigration agenda is. Yeah that's positive America's brought to you by Blue Apron. Nothing says Summers finally here like a classic Juicy Burger whipping up a fresh tomato salsa or sharing a delicious meal Alfresco this season fresco experience the joy of cooking something new trying new techniques and making cooking funding with Blue Apron. You know that was invited to a wedding that I recently R._S._V._p.. 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Donald Trump lost the popular vote by two point one percent but walked away with three hundred six electoral votes and and this time <hes> Cohn argues that trump could win reelection while losing the popular vote by as much as five percent <hes> he also says that the president's advantage could grow even further in a high turnout election which could increase the Democratic candidates margin in states like California -fornia or get us closer than ever in a state like Texas while doing almost nothing to help us in must win states that are dominated by non college educated white voters like Wisconsin Michigan and Pennsylvania guys. What was your takeaway from these cheery pieces the worst thing I've read in a long time I didn't like it? Thank you for making me read it even more in depth and talk about it no it's. It's seriously intensely scary. I mean I think maybe we need like a swear jar for polling where where we all our listeners every every time you go deep on a pole or read an article about it you donate one dollar to the unifier dice funds so that we feel some agency in our ability to shape things like we can win this election. We can shape these events but there are some structural disadvantages we have in terms of demographics terms the electoral college and all the states where they've put in place <hes> the toughest voter suppression tactics possible Yeah Yeah you know it's a reminder has people if you ask people was trump <hes> a fluke a black swan event that no one could have <hes> ultimately seen coming or was trump's victory <hes> though perhaps unlikely the culmination of a huge number of of of forces in our politics cultural social political the electoral. I think most people would obviously agree with the latter phrasing of that and then you say well how many of those dynamics have fundamentally shifted since two thousand sixteen. I don't think we'd say very money and I think these kinds of polls reminder that the dynamics we saw play out before are still dillon played today in the economy at least the your view of how the economy is doing better right in fact he's benefiting so the reason this these studies are particularly a worrisome is so the New York Times estimated trump's approval rating among people who voted in the two thousand eighteen eighteen midterms so we do have an election to look right and this approval rating that they estimated is more accurate than your average poll because they matched it with actual election results right so this is a very accurate view of trump's approval rating in these states at least for the people who actually went to the polls and voted in two thousand eighteen and we also know that from all the other polls since two thousand eighteen that the approval rating hasn't really changed much since then so it's pretty static so the good news is that according to these approval ratings trump is currently under water <hes> he's under fifty in states total three hundred ten electoral votes so that's good news. It's possible like you said Tommy but in many states that we need it's really close so in Wisconsin. His approval is forty seven percent and a reminder that we won the governor's groner's race there by a point in two thousand eighteen in Arizona it was forty eight point nine percent and we won the Senate race there by about two points and the reason that I mentioned Arizona in Wisconsin is basically if you look at the map if we take back Michigan and Pennsylvania <hes> in two thousand twenty which is somewhat likely because in Michigan and Pennsylvania in two thousand eighteen we one Democrats won by a really good margin trump's approval rating is at like forty four forty five forty six so it is. There's a good not not definite but there's a good chance we take back Michigan Pennsylvania. No you guaranteed it on says we will win so you you you you Hillary States Michigan and Pennsylvania and that is not enough to win the Electoral College which means that you definitely need Wisconsin if you lose Wisconsin the next most likely state is Arizona and maybe also just another way to put what you're saying is <hes> if one Wisconsin it seems quite likely we live also one Michigan and Pennsylvania however based on what we're seeing now it is possible to win Pennsylvania and Michigan while losing Wisconsin that's right and I think the important thing here is look. Look at your national polls and you can look at them for responses on issues to understand how the whole country view something but in terms of horse race for the Electoral College for Twenty Twenty just fucking throw away your national polls because they are garbage throwing trash remember that there's fifty million people in California that are kind of tipping the balance here and then <hes> convinced them friends move the mid West it. I mean really this thing is going to probably come down to Arizona and Wisconsin and their two states are very interesting too because in Wisconsin Wisconsin you have a little bit of a lower approval rating for trump but as as nate suggesting that article boosting turn out in Wisconsin may also boost the turnout of non college educated White Voters of which there are too many in that state compared to <hes> Pennsylvania in Michigan and so when everyone says Oh our coalition can just be <hes> people of color boost turnout among African Americans and Latinos and then college educated white voters in that should carry us through in Michigan and Pennsylvania. They're probably enough of those voters to do that in Wisconsin. It's really tough right like Tammy Baldwin right very progressive senator l._G._B._T.. One of the few L._G._B._T.. Senators very progressive for Medicare for all she won Wisconsin by eleven points in two thousand eighteen and that means that she won a fuck chuck load of Obama Trump voters a lot of non college educated white voters so this idea that the only way to win over those voters is to somehow trimmer sales and like change our positions and moderate ourselves is not necessarily true but it also means that we can't write like those voters off. We can't just sit here and say oh no no no we can have a coalition of people of Color College educated white voters and <hes> and young people and then non voters and that's it like that's just that math is not correct in the state of Wisconsin. It's it's correct. If you want to win the popular happy. The vote is not correct if you want to win the popular vote and the White House we just we've said this many times you said this a million times it is a combination of inspiration and persuasion. We have to do both one. One thing that I've just been thinking about as I looked at a lot of these polls you know there was there was one pull that aggravated a ton of data and it looked at a subset of people <hes> they were more evenly divided between trump and <hes> Clinton and actually a lot when two third party candidates <hes> in two thousand sixteen they voted fifty-eight percent for Democrats Democrats in the midterms and these are people that give trump a slight approval on the economy but are somewhat disapproving of his conduct as president and in part they and they point to his conduct his tweets his childishness though he's undermined our reputation in the world what I what I thought when I saw that I think sometimes we combine two kinds of moderates and I think it might actually be helpful to split them in half and I we talk a lot about people that are culturally pro-trump right and that are being hurt by his economic Paulsen but there's another group of people that actually find trump repellent but actually find some of his policies appealing and I think sometimes around the economy around the economy or at least his stewardship of the economy and they don't like his tax cut and they don't like the healthcare his healthcare position they it was awful but in the economy overall they're like okay yes and they are sympathetic around trade and they largely view the economy in part because of what Democrats and Republicans have set for decades as something the president is responsible for all that is a way of saying the job for Democrats is really really hard and and it's it's about showing people who might be sympathetic to trump that actually he's hurting them every single day while also making the case that we're making all the time about how reprehensible and unfit trump is for office. It's it's a really really difficult. Fickle task. That conduct response in that poll is why again I do think that impeachment proceedings a hell of a lot better time than passing a much a message bills out of the House that no one will ever hear of care about <hes> find relevant in their own lives because it will highlight all the things they like least about him in very likely lead him to do a whole bunch more stuff that they will also find unsavory frustrating on presidential that said we as Democrats <hes> who aren't serving in the House representatives. I wonder why we <music> aren't or the National Party isn't spending its time registering voters in Milwaukee Madison and then the entire state of Arizona bees that feels like the whole ballgame like Florida might be lost and that's not just demographic changes. I don't think like trump has been running. A Very Miami Dade focused presidency right he is he's doing all this outreach to Jewish voters. He's done this huge. Cuba Venezuela play. They're running tons of digital ads that are targeted on these issues down there like I think we need to step up our game a little bit as a party big time in Florida and we're lucky that Indra Gillam is working his ass off to register a bunch of voters there <hes> but Florida demographically you're right Tommy should it has been very close in it should be moving towards us but it's not <hes> so. Something is very weird about Florida in in Wisconsin at Tom Perez since he's became chair of the DNC has been like obsessively focused on Wisconsin Milwaukee and he's been <hes> investing lottery sources there and we've got the convention there and our friend <hes> Ben Winkler previously of move on is now the party chair in Wisconsin so and Ben if you if you look on twitter Ben's been trying to raise money for the Wisconsin Democratic Party which would be a good use of your money to donate their because of how important Wisconsin is and hopefully <hes> similar efforts are underway in Arizona but but I do think those two states love it actually represent the two different types of swing voters that you're talking about right and this is the difference between the northern battleground states of Wisconsin Michigan Pennsylvania of which there are many Obama trump voters non college educated white voters and demographic change is not really hitting those states as fast as it is. Some of these sunbelt states like Arizona Texas Georgia which are moving towards us but we're in a weird moment where the sunbelt states have not moved towards the Democrats faster Mr then the midwestern battleground states in the north are starting to move away from the Democrats so we're in this tough spot right like Texas and maybe four eight years from now very well because of demographic change increased Latino turnout could very well be a democratic state and and then that changes the ball game but do we still have in America that say like man right when we're about right Texas turns blue. That's right when we're going to think. Elections aren't worth having also this exact. Same conversation was being had about Texas ten years waiting on this for a while our U._C._F.. The football but they're really tough for Democrats is is straddling the line between these voters. Who are you know mostly located in the sunbelt states who are a little bit more moderate on economic issues very culturally progressive so open Democrats? These are some of like they were never trump republicans that used to be independence. These are the Republican Party they have been driven out by trump's behavior and corruption all that kind of stuff and they're open to Democrats so that's one group but then you have another group in the in Wisconsin who are you know economically populist and probably like Medicare for all and infrastructure and all these things Democrats are talking about but are more culturally conservative on immigration and they they did vote for Obama so it's not like they are racist beyond belief here and we shouldn't say that but like they are they are open to Democrats some of them and they are not as they are not as persuaded by the arguments around trump's <hes> moral unfitness and are too sympathetic to the to the <hes> immigration arguments that he's been leveling against Democrats for a long time and we need and we need both of those voters we don't need all of both groups of them but we need some of both groups and by the way that does not mean you know. We've also said that you have to do that. This is why it's so hard you do that. While also inspiring the millions of young people and college educated voters and voters of color who need a champion and deserve a champion at a time in which the president is an avowed racist in which our institutions are under threat in which the president is exacerbating systemic injustice us in every way that he possibly can so you know I think we are focusing on these voters. You need to persuade but what we've also talked about for such a long time as you have to do that. While also not presuming your coalition will be there for you for even one second because that's also mistake that was made in two thousand sixteen. You got that Democratic candidates next nominee you got an cakewalk you gotta get more voters than them and the right in a bunch of fucking states that add up to to seventy this is basically what we're describing is the part of the film entrapment were Catherine. 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We demand let us know somebody asked me for seven dollars and seventy seventy six cents because they purchase six hundred ten but I'm not doing refunds besides you said you liked. It took a turn there. I thought it was gonna be patriotic and wasn't sorry sorry anyway. Twelve you download the cash up and get a friend to download it. Get this going joining us on the POD. He is a staff writer for the Atlantic Ray covers politics his most recent pieces titled. What Americans do now will define US forever that everybody should go read it? Sir Welcome back to the show. Thanks for having me so you spend the last few years trying to explain the historical and ideological precedents that made a trump presidency possible but in taking stock a crowd encouraged by the president's own words chanting centreback. You said America has not been here before what in your mind makes this moment different. I don't think that we've ever seen a president and incumbent president used their our moral authority to hold up as an object of Hey <hes> a particular person <hes> a woman of Color Refugee <hes> of religious minority <hes> as an object addictive hate in this way and in a way that encourages the American people to view <hes> other Americans who share those traits as somehow a danger to the republic. It's certainly something that the president would hear a lot on Fox Fox News in particular from Tucker Carlson show but it's it's not something. I don't think we've ever seen a president do before that's in part because we didn't really have a multiracial democracy in the United States until about nineteen sixty five <hes> but it's also also pretty unprecedented seems traditionally presidents have sought to I mean a politicians has to benefit from that idea without personally directing it right. I mean what makes it such a dangerous escalation that what we have is not just say a president benefiting from a southern strategy from two race baiting and whisper campaigns and smear campaigns and and attack ads that use racial grievance and a president saying it out loud in front of millions of people whether on twitter in front of a crowd what what makes this particularly dangerous is the cornerstone of multiracial democracy's that <hes> you know. We're all as American as everybody else being. Why does it make you more American than someone who is Hispanic Amana or black or or N._B._A.? Christian doesn't make you more American than someone who's Jewish and the president is actually saying <hes> with these attacks that actually the only way to be authentically American is to be a white person who supports Donald Trump <hes> at I think that that is particularly dangerous because again it encourages <hes> white Americans to view <hes> their countrymen as people who are fundamentally conditionally American and don't I don't have a legitimate claim to the policy and that can lead to all sorts of other things all sorts of other both ideological and policy conclusions are dangerous that are dangerous APP for example we saw recently the president attempted to lie to the Supreme Court in order to provide cover for <hes> census question that was ultimately we learned designed to diminish the political influence of voters of color and enhance the voting power white voters for the purpose purpose of allowing Republicans to maintain their hold on power even if they're not winning a majority of the actual books so what do you make of trump's back and forth over the past few days about whether or not to embrace or reject the chant it seems as though there were some pressure from Republicans there was a Washington Post piece in which it seemed like a lot of people inside the White House wanted to make clear that they didn't like what trump said whether or not that's true remains to be seen but but trump did at first seem to want to disavow parts of it and then he walked walk that back what do you make of the pressure Mickley not shame so some form of pressure that's causing him to sort of straddle the line between embracing it and not embracing it well. I'll say a couple of things one is that <hes> the chant was based on his own word so there's no actual way for him disavowal it. The other thing is is that <hes> Republicans have quietly. I'd run to reporters to tell everybody how brilliant the president's racially divisive strategy is which is essentially to call to call this strategy shrewd is to give him full moral responsibility <hes> for waging a racist campaign against four legislators in the hopes of winning over white people or more white voters <hes> the other thing I would say is that you know historically <hes> people who want to <hes> exclude non white people from the policy or discriminate against non white people typically frame <hes> their decisions as <hes> ah in a way so as to make them the real victims of prejudice or the real victims of <hes> in abusive power so after the civil war the vice president of the confederacy who gave a long speech about how <hes> ah the institution of slavery and the fact that the white man was superior to the black man was the cornerstone of their society after the civil war. He's he's locked up in jail. He's writing his diary and he says you know that was totally fake news. <hes> the report made it up <hes> you know I don't have anything wrong. I don't have anything against black. People on this war was not about slavery <hes> similarly the redeemers who overthrew the reconstruction governments they claim to be fighting the tyranny of of Negro in carpetbagger rule <hes> you know in the in the nineteen fifties and sixties when Jim Crow was being dismantled. <hes> you know white people who supported segregation <hes> cast it the federal government as a fascist force <unk> much much like Nazi Germany so this inversion of who is actually being being discriminated against is a fairly common reaction from people whose ultimate policy goal is to exclude non white people from the privileges of American citizenship that they have a right to so. Let's talk about the response from the press us from Democrats. To what trump did you know in in your piece you had criticism for. Both let's take each you mentioned this weekend that you agreed with crooked editor in chief Brian Butler that it's the job of reporters to bear witness faithfully what does that. What does that look like to you? I mean maybe it means telling the truth about what's happening. Even when power is trying to convince you otherwise you know something that there was a dispute towards the end of the Bush administration over whether to call waterboarding torture torture because that was essentially not about whether or not waterboarding was actually torture it was about the fact that the Bush administration was contesting the definition of waterboarding torture because they didn't want to admit that they were torturing people now with the racist chant U._C.. Something similar like go back is Literally Textbook Racism. It's referred to by the equal opportunity. Employment Commission is like a textbook version of racism so to say well. We don't know if this is racist or call to caught racially charged or racially tinged is as to concede to power <hes> disability to create controversy around facts when there actually is no controversy <hes> so when I'm echoing Brian's <hes> admonition to to bear witness faithfully what I'm referring to is not concede need to power the ability to create controversy where none should exist and then on the Democrats you know everyone should read the piece but I do WanNa read one passage because I think it was particularly devastating Democrats now hold the house and they are. I'm not holding trump back. The president has a better to attack in American democracy. He has obstructed justice. He has vowed to turn federal law enforcement on his political enemies. There are squalid camps at the border where families are being separated and children are being sexually assaulted their existence justified as a necessary response to a foreign. Earn invasion trump has sought to rig American democracy in favor of white voters and refuse to recognize the oversight authority of Congress and now a sales the cornerstone principle of multiracial democracy that none of us is more American than any other. If the Democrats convince themselves that anything they do to attack the president risk alienating white voters who believe the country belongs only to them and they will be partially responsible for the path that country is taking what in your mind would democratic leadership that meets this moment. What actions would that entail <hes> I I think it would entail more rigorously fighting the administration in terms of calling witnesses and turning in terms of subpoenaing documents in terms of pursuing investigations but it would also entail a more rigorous defense of the principles of multiracial racial democracy against the president? I believe <hes> Pelosi's response after the all these tweets was <hes> united said what I'm going to say. I'm not gonNA say anything else. I mean that is the Marco Rubio approach to presidential <unk> tweets. It's insufficient in the United States is facing someone who simply does not believe in the principles of multiracial democracy that have guided this country since nineteen sixty five that is an existential threat to those of US whose Americanise might reasonably be questioned under a regime that states that only white Christians are real Americans. I in the Democratic Party cannot exist without those constituents and should be doing much more forceful job of defending them so it seems you know when you pull back from specific moments specific moments to offer rebuke to to speak more forcefully against the president seems that there is a kind of feeling that Democrats in Congress are not fulfilling the mission that voters sent them on in twenty eighteen <hes> that seems to be informing a lot of the internal democratic fights between the squad as we now call them and the leadership <hes> that seems to be informing a lot of the criticism of the way <hes> leaders leaders like Colossians Schumer and people like Jerry Nadler have responded to trump's you laughing at the face of efforts to hold him accountable. Do you believe that there is pressure that can be brought to bear that could get Democrats in the house kind of to step up to this fight in a bigger way to kind of to kind of rise to this moment. Do you believe that there are there steps that people listening could take to help push these leaders to kind of meet the moment yeah I mean look I think thet if Democrats Democrats seem to be convinced that they're going to lose a big middle if they confront the president more forcefully but if people want to persuade them that that is not the case they can certainly do so <hes> through the time-tested ways of persuading legislators which is writing letters calling in etc etc.. I'm not advocating that people do that but if people want to do that then that is you know I mean Congress. People talk all the time about the way that influences their decisions but I think in general with the Democrats have to worry about is the idea that if they're not actually going to do anything with the power that people give them that you know their voters might decide that it's not really worth worth it to keep them in office so we've also seen now Democrats have now held members of the administration in contempt there are subpoenas are being scoffed at we only control one house. There's a concern that if we were to say pursue impeachment that ultimately intimately it would lead to nothing and therefore is not worth doing is part of this just a natural consequence of Democrats just not having enough power how much of this is Democrats not stepping up and how much of it is just the limitations of the power for Democrats currently have while say a couple of things it is only now that they are beginning to hold people in contempt that they are really stepping up this legal fight over the subpoenas. This is stuff. That could have been done a long time ago in would have been done a long time ago if the parties were reversed the second thing is that opening an impeachment inquiry doesn't actually compel you to pursue impeachment does put the House on greater legal footing with certain things it does create a inability ability to rest the media knack narrative from a president who's stated political strategy is to flood zone with Shit as one of his strategist. Put It on so you know these Democrats are passing these messaging bills in the hopes that they can show the country tree <hes> y you know the work that they're doing but the country isn't hearing about it because all the hearing about every day is the trump show and that suffocation of the president taking all the oxygen is something that I don't think Democrats really appreciate the extent to which it blocks out the positive message that they are trying to build as an alternative to the president they have to you know it's one thing to be an alternative party. It's another thing to be an opposition party and I don't think that the Democratic Party is doing a very good job of the ladder so just today there was news that it seems the president is looking to change immigration enforcement so that <hes> those who've been in the country for less than two years can be more easily deported not just if they're within one hundred miles of the border but anywhere in the country you know the president is matching his rhetoric with actions. Whether it's the treatment of <hes> people crossing the border or <hes> interior enforcement <hes> are are Democrats and is the is the media doing enough to connect the rhetoric which manages to captivate our attention more than the policies <hes> ever do with the actual implementation of the of the kind of right of the of the of the white nationalist agenda Yeah Look I mean I think that the president's rhetoric I mean one of one of the problems is that the people have sort of been conditioned to think of racism as naughty words <hes> and so while the president offers a lot of naughty words people might not see the ways in which that plays out in the implementation of the president's policy agenda but you can see it in his approach to <hes> immigration. He you know his is cancelling of of a temporary status for hundreds of thousands of undocumented immigrants who were brought to the U._S.. Children his treatment of <hes> his treatment of Puerto Rico in the aftermath of Hurricane Maria in the family separation policy which is a policy of systemic child abuse designed to deter illegal immigration. You can see it in conditions of the <hes> border facilities which are directly the result of trump decisions made that caused people to be held longer longer than they're supposed to be held. You can see it in the president's approach to police brutality the lack of enforcement of Americans constitutional rights from the Justice Department particularly the Civil Rights Division. I mean if there is one consistent moral in ideological legal principle that the president has upheld draft his time in office. It's the idea that <hes> why people are more American than other people in and have it an entitlement both to <hes> political and cultural power <hes> the rest of us simply do not have so one last question and I wanNA make a crass. I WANNA I WANNA make a crass political argument. <hes> that you that you often hear that you see that you see in response to this conversation about trump on race and I'm just curious irresponsive to and the argument would go something like <hes> I agree with everything you're saying I believe Donald Trump is a fundamental threat to American values in American democracy. That's why the single most important thing we can do as a country is defeat him in twenty twenty. I am worried that focusing kissing on trump's racial grievances is going to cause a replay of two thousand sixteen and we will run up the score in cosmopolitan diverse educated parts of America will once again falling behind in the Whiter Rust Rustbelt states and other states trump over performed and these conversations ultimately don't help us that immigration conversations redoubt his benefit and as much as I agree with you as much as I am terrified by trump's fanning of racial animus M._S. and hatred and his dividing the country and his attacks on the rule of law. This is a mistake because it may ultimately help him be reelected. What is your response to that well? I'm not a political strategist. I can't tell anybody how to win elections but I do understand something about morality and if your voters your constituencies the people who put you in office are under attack in their their fundamental rights are under attack in a direct way by president and you refuse to stand up to them which you are communicating to those very same trump voters is that trump is correct. You are essentially seeing the argument that <hes> that the president is making and you know it's one thing to say we shouldn't take unpopular positions on immigration. <hes> it's another thing to say we should not speak out at all when the president of makes these kinds of white nationalist arguments because some people might like it. That's fundamentally political cowardice Adam Serwer. Thank you for joining us <music>. Thanks for having me thanks to Adams Server for joining us today and <hes> you know we'll talk to you later in the week. You got anything of it. 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"N. P. R. HOSIE PAGLIARI lives in New York and works for John and he has a three year old daughter named Olivia as Sally. You met Jose and Livia for the first time when they were sitting on the front steps of the Metropolitan Museum of art here in New York the met. Did you guys just visit them museum us what you need to know about. Jose is that he is like the world's Best Ad. Olivia loves drying. Can I show her your art Beckenham iphone right now. They say you painted that. I liked pay. I'd like it because it's split a full day laggy. Joey think she likes it. I'm still unclear so even though it's this freezing cold day. Jose has brought Olivia here to see artwork By women he wants his daughter to have some female role models. But there's a problem sally. USA To name five famous artists which he could do but then you asked him to name five famous female artists. And here's where things did not go so well not at all Jose. The world's greatest add totally failed. Josh's you made me feel so terrible that it can't it's so bad you'll have now you'll have purpose inside the museum right because nominees take it out. So how did we get here to a place where a father who came to one of the world's greatest art museums to show his daughter female artists can't name five of them because we got to say there are plenty of female artists in the world. But you know what this is not really Jose's full. There is a much larger problem here which is very very little of the artwork hanging in museums is by women. Eighty seven percent of the art in major museum. Collections is by men. This is indicated from planet. Money I'm here and I'm Sally Herships on today's show how we got here. The difference in the way artwork by men and women is valued why its value Differently and finally one museum is doing to change that and our first stop after the break a famous artist you've probably never heard of support for NPR and the following message come from personal capital helping over two million again people with free online financial tools. Download the APP or sign up today at personal capital Dot Com personal capital invest with logic implant with heart support also comes from navigator. Say Goodbye to meetings that waste time and too low to meetings your team will love navigator Pairs beautiful agendas with automations for the busy work. Most leaders don't have time for dry for free at navigator Dot Com. There was this artist named Joni Mitchell. She was an abstract expressionist. While these giant canvases and lots of colorful scrawling with oil paints. Mitchell insisted on painting mostly at I am only with a company of her dogs. She died in the nineteen nineties but she painted a lot. The Joan Mitchell was hugely successful the list of exhibitions. She's he's been in thirty one pages long. Her work has been shown at the Whitney about forty times into art world insiders. She's a big deal. But if you're thinking yeah I've never heard of her you would not be alone. KRISTA LATCHFORD IS CEO of the Joan Mitchell Foundation and Sally. You spoke with her. So who is she showing with. So it would be William William de Kooning. Franz Kline Jackson pollock all of the famous painters at the time. All men in two thousand eighteen one of Jones painting sold for more word than sixteen and a half million dollars at auction. The CRISTA says before you go getting excited you've to put that number into context. Wow Mitchell's doing so well. Oh and it's like yes. She's doing remarkably well at auction. The prices are very high but are they high. In relative Jackson pollock no way are they high relative to decoding nope paintings by the KOONING and pollock have gone for sixty to one hundred and sixty million dollars. KRISTA says there is no record decorative Joan Mitchell getting anywhere close to that kind of money for her work which brings us to a big part of the reason that people have trouble naming famous women. Artists Artwork by women and men is just value differently and Joan. Mitchell story is a prime example of that to be really clear. It's not a story of an artist who was working and working the and working and then after her death was discovered. This to me is really indicative of here is a participant within the community who then art history left down just because she was a woman because she was woman. There are a bunch of myth surrounding women and art like myth number. One that art by women just isn't as good as art by men but lucky for us. The subject has been studied a lot. Renee Adams teaches finance at Oxford and she and some of her colleagues did an experiment. They picked paintings paintings at random. All kinds seascapes and abstracts and still lives with bunches of grapes and they showed them to viewers and ask them to guess if the artist was a man or a woman which turned out to be a trick question. So first of all you know if you look at a painting on average the experiment subjects couldn't guess it was painted by a man or a woman right so it's not like look painting you can say. Oh well this is painted by a woman. Renee says it is practically impossible to look at a painting and figure out the gender of the artist so you can strike down myth number one but she says if we know or think we know the gender of the painter it does impact how we feel about the art art if these subjects guessed that the painting was painted by a woman they liked the painting less. That's not cool. Sally totally not cool all not only the subject and renamed experiments like paintings. They thought were by. Women are just less renee looked at millions of records from auction sales Dell's and she found out that on average work by women. Artists sells for forty percent less than work by mail and because art by women is valued for less us. Use IEM spy less of it and that is how less artwork by women ends up on display in museums and that brings us to myth number two the argument that female female artists have a style that does not appeal to men. But remember now we know that most of the time we just can't tell if the artist of work is male or female so you can kind of automatically scratch that myth off your list as well. Oh I have scratched that authorised so the reason that we don't value art by women more highly and the reason isn't that there isn't more of it'd museums good old fashioned gender bias. I viewed this paper. So it's about art but really it's not about out or it's about gender so a lot of times what people say is You know well. Women are not represented management. Because we all know that women Shy away from negotiation and they're not very competitive so there's always this narrative that it's the woman's fault which it's not at the Baltimore Museum of Art. Only four percent of the collection is by by women artists. The problem is the same major museums around the country. Christopher Bedford is the museum's director. He says that's why next year any new artwork. The museum I am buys will be by women the mock it never lies and I think if you look at the if you look at those numbers you see the residue of great great bias and that's what we're trying to combat Christopher says it putting art on display in a museum can be absolutely transformative for the way that an artist's work is perceived it can lead to fame increased creased reputation higher prices but there are a lot of hoops that an artist has to jump through to get on those museum walls in the first place so there are there are collections. Collections committees their executive committees of the board. The board of trustees curator's there are peer curator's and that system comes together in various different forms specific to the museum to filter the history of art and to include or exclude. Unfortunately in the case of women are often museums have been excluded and this it can be a really hard problem to fix. KRISTA says anyone who's buying art museums included has to be careful of what's called the superstar effect sales of female artists represent just the tiniest slice just two percent of the market but if you zoom into that tiny slice that chew percent of about two percent forty percent is five women. That's what can happen with the superstar. Effect a tiny number of artists. Become like Tokens or symbols and art art buyers or museums or individuals. Feel like they've bought something by a lady and so they feel like they don't have to do anything else but then museums can essentially say okay. I've done female show will move back to our normal but the Baltimore Museum is trying to change that. And this April Joni it Mitchell's work is going to get some big shows starting with the Baltimore Museum. Sally herships bringing us this story. Thank you this episode of the indicator was was produced by Lena Sons Gerry. It was fact checked by Brittany Cronin. Our Editors Patty hearst and the indicator is a production of NPR. Hi Sally it's Jose. Just wanted to call them that you know that. Without seeking it intentionally. It took me Livia about two hours to stumble upon a female artist at the met and it was rose up honor honor and the Horse Fair painting which I have since learned apparently require the artist dress up like a man in order to not get harassed while sketching the animals

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But that is a podcast for different day which is tomorrow this when you're listening to this because we have to pods out this week. The one obviously that you're listening to now and another one where Jeff Corliss will join us where we get into several things on the US men's national team side as well as MLS as they head into their final weeks of the regular season. So that is all elsewhere. But tonight is beers with Burley litter on. Yes, we will speak with Craig the borough man as some refer to him. No, he's just you and that you've tried employs male busy. All sorts of different things stock were Zeus. Dog walked traction even with Zeus, dog himself. We had a listener approach Graham Susie and says dog, but generally your attempts to tap into the kids culture never were my goal with Zeus. Dog was to have him on the show, but only conduct our interview with him through barking. Yeah, it was going to be kind of on guard. Yeah, like modern art. Yeah. Oh, don't mention modern are. 'cause there's gonna be some is rolling later when I make a delicious analogy. Oh, I'm intrigued. You're gonna hate it because it's art so, but I'm pretty pretentious with the well. I don't doubt that I almost asked you to play jazz, flute in the background for it, but I won't be mean like me personally or find some audio of a guy who knows how to play jazz. I may with me. It might have been a train wreck. I may ask you to just socks. Well, it's too late. Now the show has started and I don't have it, but. This is going to be a fun show because there was a lot over the weekend. I thought in the the Premier League to digest. Obviously we'll talk about some of with crag, but that's also why you and I are here to give our thoughts on it as well. Let's start with. I guess it was being dubbed as the game of the season. I don't know if it lived up to it, but I can at least say that this moment was pretty exciting. Manchester City's signing. Missed. Morris, Manchester City. To be. Oh, Riyadh. Mahrez steps up to the spot and it just went horribly wrong now. Hi, widen, handsome for it was almost Jason punching esque now for a game that which was worse punch. One of the worst I've ever seen that was spun punch ins thirteen fourteen season -at's Bor Harlan. Yeah, it was. It was so bad. I, I will say this for game that lacked. I think a lot of the drama that we were kind of hoping it would deliver on it did at least give us one, you know, stand up out of your seat and yell instinctively moment in Morris, skying that penalty thin gruel though. It was a poor game because well, I'll tell you why it was particularly poor for me. I had been out watching the UFC fight the night before, and I'd had a few beers not mining Bush enough to be a little bit hung over and you know you're irritation levels rise. It's so hard to watch a game that frustrating with with a bit of a hangover. There was one point. I'm almost ashamed to say this 'cause you know the purists I can already feel them and their disgust marching confidently towards your time will tell me that, you know, put the defending and we'll talk about that because there's something to be said for, but I'll say this for what I was hoping to see going into that game, the two most, I would say attack minded teams in the league with the most lethal three man fronts in the league for what I was hoping to see. I didn't get it and it won't point. I, I looked at a Man Who Wasn't paying any attention, but I needed to say something to somebody and I just looked at her. I said, this game sucks and she said, oh, what I said this. No, she didn't say what she said. What she didn't. She replied, she said, well, you know. Man city are being cautious in Liverpool of just play the center back in the fullback position because they're worried about getting tacked on the flanks like they've been exposed in the last two weeks. That's what she said. Well, that's the thing. And that's why the the purists do have a certain like stand on here because there is more to soccer than just, you know, blindly, rushing back and forth up and down field. One attack after another. There was a little bit of a chess game right now between two of the best managers in the league. I do think there is some appreciation to take in that. Well, there's also learning curves. What would we have thought of pep Guardiola if it played out exactly the way the reverse art. Excuse me. The same fixture played out this time last year. We would think he is not the tactical genius that a lot of people think he is. This was the paraphrasing from the guardian which will help you. This is what guy guys basically said pep Guardiola said, is game plan was to control possession and avoid losing the ball in areas where Liverpool could counter tack through Mohammed Saleh for menu inside. Omani when city succeeded Van Dyke believes the champions tactics demonstrated their concern for the threat posed by Liverpool, which is up -solutely true, and it all came down to don't do what happened last year, which was concede three goals in eight minutes. Remember we talked at length on this podcast Pepsi. You got to be more relaxed, go one goal down. It's not the end of the world. So he mitigated by making sure the word, no turnovers, the best almost assist maker for Liverpool last season was their ability. Turn the ball over. Right plan the counter, so don't not even not not the counter even city Lou press high, press high city lost in crucial areas if you think back to that game. So if city are gonna stop Liverpool doing that and the ripples from threes, not quite firing, then you're going to have that kind of stalemate. But here's the thing that I was thinking about watching when I was watching that game, I felt like it was two teams that kind of do a lot of the same things. Liverpool would press high, maybe force a turnover, but then you know, city defended them well, then the same thing would happen at the other end city would press high force turnover. I felt like it was almost like that scene and arrested development. When George blue is fighting his twin Oscar blue and they basically are sharing a brain because they're they're identical twins, and they're just continue to block all of each other's moves without even really thinking about it. Like I felt like that was almost what I was watching two clones of one another kind of trying to battle back and forth. But it was like each one was a step ahead of the other. The term was they notified each other and. Put, but look at some of the things that Klopp did like playing Gomez in that in that fullback position was not to the fact that we were getting exposed a little bit down the flanks. But at the same time he left Robertson on the other side. So you had Robertson getting forward somewhat Gomez, not doing so much, and that kind of balanced it out as well in terms of, well, I mean, this isn't Liverpool in at full pelt and also it didn't give city if you're gonna play like that didn't give city any chances any channels to get into really, except the one time that they did, which ended up being the penalty on Virgil. Van Dyke said it was a mistake on his part. It absolutely was from that angle, you don't go diving in like that. That was one of the only things that this appointed me. You know, you know, I'm a big LeRoy Sante fan. I, I enjoy his game. I think he's a great player. I, I don't know why he didn't start. I mean, you know, he got off this weird start to the season, his relationship with pep. I don't really know the state of that relationship right now. You hear things about like what he's like in training? Both from. The German perspective and from the city perspective. But you know, it's your biggest game of the year so far he's coming in in his last three games with a goal to sentence. Yeah, I kind of feel like. Like gimme your best eleven, but but we just said he wanted to keep possession more than usual, but you're telling he's at Liverpool, have problems dealing with the channels where Lee rice on it can hurt them, but one hundred percent, but it was it was a percentage is game. What do I want to do more of and sign it? One of the things you love about him if I may tell you what you think. Okay. For a second is that you love the way he'll go past players. Now with that, he's an old fashioned winger in many respects, he would slide into any team in the nineteen eighties in England. Ronan open down the wings and tricky wing play. But the problem with that is the more take on you have the more likely so many is to give the ball away and he likes to he, I think he's more effective from a little bit whiter position. So he went with Starling Mara's fees. If. He's coach sterling to not just be the tricky fast winger who's gonna take people on all the time. His ball retention is much better now what Magister city than it was at Liverpool. So he just looked at the two options. And he said, I think I'm going to Chievo keeping the ball better with startling than I am with a sonnet before we move off this. I guess we do need to talk about the penalty decision of who to take. It seemed to me. I know conflicting things have come out in the media over the past twenty four hours or so. It seemed to me that this was a direction that came in from the sideline at looked like NBC had an angle that showed Benjamin Mendy, rushing into tell both Jay's Zeus and Mahrez none or no. It's mar as supposed to take it. I soon it's not Mendy making that decision. I assumed it was him bringing peps word onto the field. Look pep said afterwards. He was not aware of the fact that Mars had missed five of his last eight penalties for details guy like that is a bit shocking. Like if this isn't pep Guardiola if this. As you know, some other random manager of a mid table team, we are killing him or that I like the Ben techy situation earlier on voyage. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. But like, do you think can I ask you? This was trying to settle like he wants Myers to settle into this team a little bit more and maybe giving him the penalty and assume the responsibility of what could be the winning goal was was some kind of peck way of doing that. Is that the time to be doing it? We're talking about a game, yes, you know, I know it's October, but in a season where you don't expect Liverpool and Manchester City to lose many games a game in October, where they're playing one another, and you can get three points at Anfield deca, decide the race come. The end of the season. We might be looking back on that moment is that the time to really like, say, you know what? I'm what this guy to feel at home here. No, win the game. Okay. Pick the guy you think will score the goal. Well, look, I, I've told you already about this when we were discussing it. I. I think there was so many better options to take penalty throughout the team rather than Ray admires who was only just in the door at the club. I would let Gabrielle juice go ahead and take it agreed. Look, hindsight is what it is, but Maher he's five is last eight, six of his last ten like he didn't even get this close bad. It was really bad. So it ends no nil who would have ever thought going into the game like that with those two teams that we'd be walking out of it? No, nil, I don't. I would not have. I'm happy not to talk much more about it, and that's why we'll move onto another Manchester side in a far more dramatic game, I guess you would have to say it's Manchester United. They went three, two. Thanks to this. Young with the cruise. Of the strengthening. He's save Jewish, save the media's. At least temporarily. I believe the answer to that question is yes, I would think so. Because if you look at the tenor the mood of Gary Neville's comments on the Friday night after Brighton and West Ham, when he was on skysports, he was raging mad and he was talking about the principles and traditions of Manchester United, and that he didn't like the way that this was being handled in the fact it was leaked it. When I text you to say, it looks like Josie is gone. If felt quite real, didn't it that this was happening? Yeah, and I was so confused as to who was that would have leaked a report like that to the mer-. Yeah, and I still, I still don't know what happened there. I still don't know how much truth there was to that report if it wasn't available, and then they were forced to change course because of what appeared to be an ugly PR hit that they were going to be taking. I don't know. I don't know either unless the mirror got a phone call from a guy called toes. Zeh go Dino. That's probably called off. I in a desperate attempt to generate some news that he's going to get sacked that maybe he wants out of this mess. But I don't think that was the case. It's funny, JJ Utah about Gary Neville's comments doesn't feel like there's there's no one to root for here. Now. I'm not saying that I don't want Marino to lose his job in disgrace. But by the same token, I believe that Marino had has like this pity party that Gary Neville and you're hearing some people throw from arena also feels phony to me because these are the same guys, not maybe Neville specifically, but like the media at large has been crushing so much marine does decisions and his man management over the course of the season. A lot of Jozies current situation has been generated by Josie himself, so absolutely. I don't know how to feel about this. I just feel like there's like no one to root for here. No on and look. I think Marino is being a great manager in the past. I love what he did an interim particular, maybe not so much Chelsea because it meant that it was Liverpool around the business. End of some of his good performances. But dealer site to what Neville said is, is also there's it's also bollocks, let's be honest, Andrew, there's nothing nothing in any of these major clubs to talk about when it comes to principal on tradition. When you're getting rid of a manager, where was the principal on tradition of terminating? David Moyes is contract, which was a long term contract, seven months or six months into it. Where was the principal and tradition when Frank will Farrow, who was the manager of Manchester United white surmount Busby was still hanging around after his Laureus term. I, I did it at the bit of digging Frank Farrell did a documentary about his wound year at United. Where's the principal in Matt bows? Be approaching Farrell's wife at a dinner and saying, I don't like the way your husband manages the team. I think that's nonsense in sports. When we talk about a lot of that, where is the Detroit. Mission are the principal tradition, and even I know soonest didn't do a great job at Liverpool, but he he was out as well, and he was a story player for the team. I think we talk about these things in these kind of Alta terms and Gary Neville needs to. I mean, was Louis van Hal treated properly. No, these these exits are never handled properly by footballs. You come to football club and you winner, you don't. That's the way it works. And the difference between Busby in Ferguson on Moysen VG is that some stores to the first two guys? I mentioned one the other two didn't. Now there's this question of Marino as to whether or not he's kind of just like a marked man. Now if there's a target on him, if he's there's question, he's created this question. Yeah, and this is the pity party. He addressed this idea of being hunted. She's five years old. In spite of the first time that I seen football men hunting. Five AM to I can. I can cope with it and I can live with it. I think clearly some of the voice in spite of their not. The man that is. I think they're not coping well with it and the way they stopped the game was absolutely panicking. Every wall that was in our in our walks. I thought even some moments could different sport in our own. And is not. He's tizzy for them. It's like Josie. Marino is the main character in the most dangerous game to your fugitive's name is Dr. Josie Marino go get him. Now. He does say something in there that is interesting to me about how some players are coping with it. He expounded on that a little bit more. On this talking about players giving up on him, mentioned your experience. These things has been speculation about whether they playing you whether you're able to get them up for that response out there today till a different story. He's he's a ridiculous talk because the players don't play for the managing. If the players play for the manager, they're not good professionals because when they like the men as they play for them and the next day comes in that it that they don't like and they don't play for him, but they still get the money. So I think is ridiculous. I don't think in BT you better because you like your and if a new boss comes, then you don't do your work professionally is not about. It's not about that. It's not about that. Josie is right, but he's wrong all Oltra idealistic to to say what he sang. These guys are ultimately are human beings simply not true, not true to the way that he used to manage. If you you listen to Lampard John Terry, are this audio iphone to Damian dolph. There was a cult of Marino that he could drive them on push them and they still wanted to play from here stuff. I still find a higher to criticize Jose Marino, and that's the holy had over me the whole yet over the Chelsea. I'm years ago and what's what's changed in the last twelve thirteen years now, the attention that details coach was was seconds known the charm. The charisma. Yeah. Yeah, he screamed in everyone's face, scream, two inches for me face split. It didn't make me over money more still adored. My stale ran is hired as ever. So maybe it's players have changed and he they can't cope with his confrontational. Soy thought that to me is is, is the crux of this that d- shows and the pod buzz who are significantly younger, is this why he he wants to buy older players? Would you think maybe he can treat them like that? I don't. You kind of feel like a lot of this just comes down to winning like if every single thing Josie Marino is doing as a manager and the way he's managing people, if it was all the same. But you know, city didn't have this incredible squad, you know, like last year United still if in a second to Manchester City, like if things were a little bit different and United won the title, but everything Jo's a did was the same. I don't think he would be having these issues with some of these. Players, but I just feel like losing sometimes it just, I don't know these issues just bubble to the surface a lot faster. And what players will they phoned? A reason to doubt your management skills. They found a reason to doubt whether you can deliver them to where they need to be, and they will start picking out that. And then all of a sudden they're not as willing to be shouted at two inches from their face. I mean, doth says, when he got showed two inch, I mean telephone to Premier League medals back to back onto marine you. You know, Claudio Ranieri treated dolph like his son, but doth didn't win anything with them. You know? So winning is the placebo for all. These are not not the placebo. The actual actual antidote actual antidote for any dressing room disruption. You'll follow any. He's when the same with Razzi when he started crying when we're on Marino's last game you, we've all seen that video. A marine comes back and he's crying and they hug, will I try to look what they did together. Yeah. So I suppose that is a part of it is what the way we like even within this. One-season. We've almost seen it where the season started poorly for them and all this was going on. Then they won three in a row on the road and like it seemed like we're good, and then they had the draw against wolves, which you know you would think United should be able to be reports. And then like immediately everything just went back to the way it had been at the beginning of the season again. Yeah, that's bad. That is bad. That's a sign of a week structure within the but sign of Noel structure. Can I talk about the game of it and introduce my highfaluting RT thoughts about this? So you-know-who Jackson Pollock was he was the expressionist painter from the nineteen fifties. I'm Pollock's whole thing was he would put the canvas on the ground and he would throw paint at the canvas and he would use different methods. He get sand and he'd run signed over the paint that was already there and. That was the performance at the weekend of Joe's Marino, right? Josie, marina was Jackson Pollack. He wasn't Caravaggio who was worried about death and an always on who would plan his paintings meticulously that wasn't. It was this panic and Matt scrambling. This was like Billy out matter in and then MC Tommy to send her half, then my out and Fellini in, but not with, oh, Papa being in the center. Pollock used to say that he didn't fear making changes or destroying the painting because he wanted the painting to have a life of its own. So going to donor, you wit me, you still with me. Oh, yeah, going to don't give a freedom to this United team because it didn't matter how much worse could it get. Right. So the performance you soul in the second half was not because Marie-Noelle had a plan, it's because the plan went out and he started throwing paint onto the canvas of Old Trafford, but it all worked marine. Yeah, but yeah, it worked by accident. Yes. Green was structure guy, right? The United team starts off with the shackles on yet on Saturday, going down early and his mad panic gestures. You saw them on the sideline, even that got him a result and he was Pollack. He was Josie Pollock now rubber quotas who who knows the grit art critic, he wants derided number of politics works as this mere unorganized explosions of random energy and therefore meaningless. He could have been talking about United on Saturday, so I'm not ascribing any meaning to that. This was Jackson Pollock. Fascinating. Very, very interesting to see what I'm saying. Yeah, absolutely. Like it's it's, it was una throw as much at this as possible pulp was at centerback for a few minutes. The commentators who as much as I like to, you know, poke fun at them every now and again, Irela white hadn't Scooby doo what was going on. I think Marino is playing. At center back on there was just silence from the other two in the box from, I think it was Graham the soul to science because nobody knew Jackson Pollock interpretive dance. Let's see. Chelsea make a pretty easy time at Saint Mary's, a three nil win over Southampton. The story once again is eaten has already scores. A goal sets up another, and now he's gotten very candid on the surprisingly so in his future, but kind of nice because I believe and actually believe it will. It's not my heart is with this club. I will always play for this club, but I have quotes here. Ram Madrid are huge Cup. Yeah, I guess this was like a kind of an impromptu press conference. It seems like he gave outside of the team bus, I believe from what I was reading here, take a look at some of these quotes. He says, in terms of sign the possibility of signing a new deal with Chelsea. He says, I don't want to say yes, I'm signing a new contract and then the end I don't end up signing. I want what's. Good for me, but I want what's good for the club because the club is given me everything. So I'll see sometimes in my head I wake up in the morning and I think I want to go, wow. Sometimes I think I want to stay. It's a hard decision. It is my future. He continues JJ says Real Madrid of the best club in the world. I don't want to light today. It is my dream since I was a kid. I was dreaming about this club. Boy, that's honest. It's very honest. I can't tell because I don't know in has are at all. Obviously what I can't tell is, is this thing that he's like in pain over or is this a thing where he's just like, maybe I'll wake up one day. I'll say, yeah, I'm gonna go to Real Madrid like this each is not is he's so laid back about it, or is he like being torn up inside because I truly can't tell from what I've read from people who do know him. I think it's the, he's not really bothered with it at all that he'll go with the where the wind takes them that would speak to his personality. Certainly because. Let's be honest. Eden hazard as a player who is wonderful. And he's one of my favorite players to watch right now if not my favorite outside of the Liverpool payers. And he's a guy still that will take a season off. He's going for whatever reason will have lapsed patches in his career, which suggests he's maybe a bit last fair a little bit happy. Go lucky. Now on the other side, do it is also going that will be twenty as in January, and that is definitely an age where a player like him wants to consider what he wants to do his future. And maybe things are moving quickly enough at Chelsea. Maybe he wants to to play out Real Madrid because he, this is genuinely his boyhood dream. I don't know. But all I would say is this he doesn't seem own happy this. This statement isn't being made from his exile with the under twenty three's because he's refusing to play because he's upset. He's never. I've never seen him play with such how shall joie. Aviv since he's being Chelsea. J. he's playing for a manager. Nettie low wants to get him to be a forty goal score like lots to build this attack around him. He's in. He's certainly in a great situation. A guy is he seemed so happy in the south happy because that goal he took against Liverpool that was in the Caroline cope. Excuse me, decarlo. What year is this? Micah? The carava Cup. Sorry, the room Belo's called that was a pure expression of joy. He, he seems extremely settled and there's an article which I've yet to read. It's all my most realist- from. I believe it is. I might be Barney Ronay the guardian, but I'm not whatever it doesn't matter. It's about the joy of staying put of a player on it specifically about hazard how you can reap career benefits from saying, you know what? I'm not gonna take that move. I'm happy here in a team that's competing on. Hoppy at work. So maybe this is all coming together now and he's just, he's, he's, he's thinking it through. But generally if he stays, he won't be upset. I think so highly of him as a player. Like I do actually think that he could go to rail Madrid, and it won't be like a HAMAs Rodriguez situation. The guy I think he'll go there and it will work. I think he'll be a superstar. If you were to go there. You're not convinced. We'll know if he finds that level of happiness that he's phone, right? No wonder, sorry, but way that's a fly. That's the fluid position really measured right now. We don't know what he will be entering. You know, know that that is true as well. I'll tell you what take a very, very quick break. We got a couple other quick ones to discuss on the other side. Then Craig Burley do not go anywhere. My name is Lauren. I'm thirty three. I didn't want my identity to be the smoking mom. My first experience with jewel. I do remember being like, this is good. It's it's, it's like a cigarette, but not. I don't miss smoking at all. Like I can officially say it grosses me out jewel is the tobacco alternative that delivers nicotine satisfaction without cigarette Asher lingering odor make the switch and j. u. l. dot com. Slash sports warning. This product contains nicotine. 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You can't tell anything from that one game? Yeah, all awards. Say was that you ask a great question about arsenal is the only question coming out of this game. I want you to ask, well, they've won nine straight across all competitions. They haven't had a winning run like that in eleven years more than a decade. So the question that has to be asked whether or not you believe it's real or if you believe it's fool's gold. I can't say it's food gold, but I don't believe it's really it on. I don't believe it's real from a number of angles. Arsenal were brilliant counterattacking. They took their goal superbly lack Zet like we've been calling out for when he's in that team. He is. He is electric right now, and I liked the way the team is set up the way it's linked together, but they are still giving up huge amount of chances. And if you want the x g some from that game, Mike, Kelly put up powered by op too. It's one point four to one point, six. The score was five one, but they still give up that amount shots that amount chances and you're thinking against the team with more confidence and inform you be extremely worried. Like how I know Andrea surely took his goal extremely well. But Andrew, it was a misplaced pass at the fullback position. And the next thing the hold of that defense. Opened up. That is not a good sign. Yeah. Arsenal had one of the prettiest team goals of the season in this game or GIS, and one of the best finishes of the season as well, the iron Ramsey goal and the build up to that goal was just for beginning to end it was great. So you know nine row is not. I know you said you're not ready to make any declared a statement, and I get that. That's probably like the level-headed way of approaching it. But I think you have to start. We've been so used to looking at them as like for lack of a better term. I don't mean to offend every arsenal fin out there, but they've kind of been a joke over the last couple years in not necessarily the way they played, but just like they became very arsenal. As we said, just like you, you knew where it was all headed the Vangere cloud that was over it. So I think that we kinda just got used to look at them as like this is steamed club, you know. And now all of a sudden here they are under this new manager and they're back to winning again, right? But they in even those kind. Of shall we say, barring years, even though they did have EFI cope wins. Even in those Byron years, they were capable of putting good runes together. And I'm obviously not as good as this as you've pointed out, but Andrew, Fulham at twenty wounds shots. Arsenal had nine Fulham only had foreign target. Arsenal had seven. You see what's happening here. You're right. A lot of the chances that arsenal took their chances and by the way the possession stats fifty, two percent for arsenal, forty percent for Fulham. I'm just not ready to go all in on the yet. I totally seen the scoreline does not tell the story of the game. Yeah, but it's more than that. They're still certain are Sinali deficiencies in that back four that I'm still Nolting that haven't been addressed. And I will say this, we always talk about, you know, I say, we've got this lovey living room, but the kitchens on fire on, I think the living room that's containing lack Zet Obama young, the way they took those goals was fantastic. I like even the way ram. Z. is integrated into that team. MC -tarian played very well. I'm just not convinced I would say it's a good sign that you can win five one and walk out of that game saying, we did not play our best. That's probably a good thing. Okay. One other get to here before Craig Burley will stay north London where Tottenham bounce back from their midweek disappointment against Barcelona, and they get past Cardiff. It was not pretty, but I guess when you're Spurs on your planning cared, if it doesn't have to be just win. That's kind of like how we feel about Tottenham right now with this whole sort of like one step forward to step back thing that they're doing. Just keep finding ways to win and keep yourself in this race as long as possible because now all the sudden they've won three in a row in the league and they are right back to being in it. This is I'm trying to remember the exact stat that I saw, but the eighteen points that they're on, I think is the most they've ever had in the Premier League at this stage in the season, which is. Impressive. So which is in October, right? That's what we have to. I, you know, it's to say they were ever out of it was was crazy your favorite player? Dire. Got the goal. Can't say it was a very pretty goal was kind of just a scuffle in front and then just, oh, the balls there and no one's near it. I'm gonna smash this. Anytime you play against a newborn team, nothing is low to be pretty now. One thing by the way, Cardiff had moments in this game, very nearly score Toby for out headed incredible clearance off the line that would have equaled equalised for Cardiff City. The the tipping point in this match was the red card that was called on Joe Rawls. I don't know what was going to happen had he stayed on, I think Spurs probably still wind up winning that game, but it became a lot more difficult for Cardiff wants. Rows was sent off now, watching it live. I thought it was a red card. I didn't have any problem with it to me. It was obviously incredibly cynical. Lucas Mora was bursting down the sideline on on a nice move and Rawls just kicked his knees. You know, he was trying to commit a foul and I think he just went a little too hard with it. And Harry Kane came bursting in from Kane, probably spinner sprinted about twenty yards to confront Rawls after it happened now, Neil Warnock was convinced that canes actions led to the red card that it was always going to be a yellow and Kane behaving the way that he did influence Mike dean to give a red Warnock said this. I thought Mike teen experienced an experienced referee was going to give yellowcard from the start. He told Sky Sports, I'll be very surprised when I speak to him. If he. Have given the red card without influence because I think he was wrong. He was wrong. But when twenty players around you all wearing a white shirt, all big name players. I think it influences them at times and it would be interesting to see if he reports that. Do you believe JJ that that that is a thing that can influence an official having watched the newly retired, John Kerry and Chelsea? For many years, I would say yes. If it wasn't a tactic, Andrew white with the players do it. I think with probably younger referees and. Well, I should say Kane did not sprint to Mike dean asking for red card. He sprinted to Rawls to confront him on what he thought was a dirty challenge. So now after that, there were taught players standing around the ref. No, that's England's. Hurricane sprinting over. I mean, referees are only human. I, I'd be shocked if it didn't play in a little bit. I could see it being a tiebreaker now I think Mike said he was, it wasn't just that he was hearing from his from the fourth official. You know, he was getting stuff in his headset that whatever the Ford officially on his monitor possibly. But he was getting stuff through his headset from he was getting help, basically. Right that it was pretty, I think, in certain scenarios, the actions of the players can infamous referee am unconvinced of it. I could see it being a tiebreaker. If you're if you're on the fence and you see players losing their minds, maybe that makes sense. 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Yeah, it done but done guns in Brazil at the moment in has. His all, our as we call them in laws. So I said Salazar tonight, but it's very, you know, very similar. You know, he's he's very similar in size and also very easy to I. I do tend to. I don't know if it's a scores thing or or or just just just a problem. I particularly in the warmer time of year. We get home from the f. FCC show from ESPN about six again take and I, I just liked to Wayne down and I know I shouldn't. And I know I should. Pick the body bit more and it's still it's, you know, you don't hear once and I don't smoke, and I saw man. I have a beer. Well, hey, don't don't stop on our account. I wanna see where this goes and it's definitely it's definitely a Celtic thing I can. I can vote for that. What do you drink by the way? You don't strike me as a Bud Light middle, like I know offense to those beers. I just see you more like a craft beer fella. We'll we'll go out to some local BAAs was you know, very often I'll drink. I don't know if there's an idea, but when I need this and still fly on. Which is quite nice bow generally drink Bruni, b. Ilaga, whatever you wanna call. I'm quite light of wind, Michelle, should should. I can. I mention these names because I- nickel had me on bud, Stevie nickel. Hadman Budweiser for while was like a not never drunk when a move to the stays of the woman doing this I'm doing. I'm doing it because he gets cheap, cheap skate, good is stop doing this. So I've got modern, I've got pulled my colleague, he's on. He's a, he's always talk about, you know. So we don't be. We me about how many, how many what type of be is we're gonna drink when they get home. Well, Craig, I would say this just to make sure we're perfectly fine. We would say that those those brands are wonderful, but other brands are available. And also I, I'm just curious when you were playing what was what was the drink of choice then. I've never been the spirit drinkers JJ I'm never. I'm not like an SE. Strange. 'cause when I speak to people of the goal of cool from in town where lever the sale, where are you from? Stralia said, all right. I know. Just go all of your Irish. All they say, oh, I love west gate. I, I mean, it just seems to be all the way into Scotland, win, Thailand and drinking whiskey. I just couldn't rent this stuff. Never could of never been able to stomach whiskey. I just don't. I just don't get it. So I'm not really a a never have really been sped vent, could have always just kept it. I, I like a glass of wine, red red or white. I don't mind. I don't drink Hofner, but I just tend to, I just tend to stick to stick to having a beer which is which is my one, my one vice in life after, say worry, mild one, just just don't drive. That's all we ask. No, thanks and this kind of mentioned again, but it was a very Honda we have getting around these days. It's relatively cheap. Easily available on the touch of a foreign. So, yeah, yeah. No, that's. Yes, just kidding myself on because when it gets and it snowed, I still drinking parole Navis type of night. Nice. Well, I'll tell you what I kind of wish I had a few during the Liverpool city match over the weekend. We learn anything from that game. Well, it was interesting because. Somebody calls from Guadeloupe before the game, not for the game, and I'm paraphrasing, but I think he, I think it was along the lines of Liverpool. They do frighten of con- frightened me, and I thought that was interesting, and I think it was always a compliment to pool and and and particularly in the way they'd played last season tools the and get into the jump final and disposing of mindset the with relative ease, which was a big surprise really the way that. Might say it was open unfilled in vino defeat. Now saying that was a huge compliment to them or not. And that's. Listen to float, you know, wall voice to game the whole. He's been a lot more cautious here than he was before. I mean, it's a couple of times. I know it wasn't a great gate, Bob. I know it wasn't a great game as in. It was a home thing, four, four John's, but there was on aspects of the game that I think we were quite interesting, but what's Benjamin Mendy a couple of times down the lifetime citing what to bowl in the books a couple of kitchens. And it was so easily dealt with by Liverpool been quite strong area. But one of the reasons was that was that was too blue shows in the bulks. I think last season five in flood of plans going in and then Levin may have had them on the counter. And I think I think it was a little step from that weekend Bod way. I think almost was it complement. And he said, I'm not going to. We're not going to get tickets to the Cleveland again on food and nothing about made the game more for. Yeah, I suppose in a wig Klopp did the same by playing center back at fullback. Yeah, I wonder if he tried to second guess to say team JJ whether they fought, we always saw he was going to play. I played Gomez. They're who has who's begging quake not been said, I think trend dollars on all of his prey quake. I am. I'm not sure that was the reason it's been muted. That was one of the reasons. I don't know if as I was disappointed to see a lawyer that affect pillow was disappointed. The the Gomez Bundy oxes split because I think he's been look for them particularly go. I think the more you can get a partnership going the. But as you know, lever pose weakness before has been a little Kelly's, he'll has been the strange the by four, the goalkeeper, the parent of an excellent and has been support. And I mean, only let's by comparisons last year, there's the front, the quite operated in the monitoring which wasted dead. And of course most of are, you know, if you think back to the jokes. Game, Jay, Jay Cutler weeks ago where more Sala opportunity Eliane one. Run to go keep. And then it was clear, don't for lane. I think last year he would've taken Italy and clip to over the goalkeeper. And I think he's just a little bit more hesitant than he was last season. So. To do this than we, we have a male back where we get listeners to send in emails and gave his has asked us for for our thoughts on on silo. And I think his general play his linka play has been okay, particularly maybe not at the weekend, but particularly in that game, you mentioned mentioned against Chelsea. Excuse me, but I was just wondering, Craig played with probably one of the greatest strikers of all time in Henrik Larsson like did he go through those kind of patches? And if so, how does a strike ghetto to them? No, you never? Well, I'm saying he never. I didn't see it. I will tell you is as I was considered most, I'll obviously more of a white Bunn who who, who will then school goes with as as you know, Henry Henry cars stopped it as white player already played a white player at some points alien. His career can in Sweden under in Holland and also for for this week is national team, but he quickly it quickly, Sally sales if he was quickly recognized strike. And I think that was the difference is he? Oh, printed like strike. He thought he fought like a strike. So that was that was season and season full process for him. What is last year? Just a hop and for more and it was excellent. Don't get me wrong. And every you know, every fail is way I never talked to go a no this season. It seems is think about a more lately, challenges thinking, I'll go run to keep, you know, take another job. General try this and for for the not to strike because in the natural finishes and that's Lawson was than you really see them give up as many Johns is what we've seen solid about this year purely because he was more natural, not game. So there's a difference between the two. I think Saleh will go JJ just, you know, I never fail. It would go let what was he last year forty something and to be honest with you on dos gafa me here. No. Then if you look at his expected goals from role, which is basically a way of saying the amount of good chances he created role versus the amount that he did the following season against Liverpool, it was the same. The only difference is like what you were saying was he was just in this streak where everything went in. Yeah, absolutely. And and I'm not Scoffing because we expect the goals in our graphic not ESPN. No, no. That to say, I'll mention it because I don't. Some people lately saying some people doing some people take notice. I absolutely agree. And you know, I think today was the only two players really over the last decade. Obviously messing Rinaldo who have shortly uplifted a blessed. Everybody for a dick for decade with forty to fifty plus goals every year, almost guaranteed or guaranteed. When somebody's Mosala comes eleven new club in the premium league does is like a wo- five. But let's be Frank him if more Sala or a Kevin Debroy. It's a mindset tea or Popo who's nobody hopping for a quality midfield player who should be getting fuller. They school twenty goals a year. That's a great season for them. Sure. Mission Renaldo school twenty goes a year. Everybody wants to talk about how that over the hell and finished. So there's a real different level of of will. These guys are up. He reached the PK mountain for him last year and he. Would never in my opinion, he will never reach the about level again, but if he gets twenty twenty five goes season, he's dumb good season credit coming into the season with respect to Chelsea and arsenal. We heard a lot of, you know, I it's gonna take time for sorry to implement his plan at Chelsea. And you know it's going to take time for Emory at arsenal where we look at them now, arsenal of one, nine, straight in all competitions. And Chelsea looked to be a part of a title race that maybe we didn't necessarily think they'd be a part of our. Are you surprised to see these teams succeeding as quickly as they are. Well, I think we'll tell off, I, I like I like the fact that you know, amber needs time to get to. And even even if it was five or six defeats an awesome raw, you know, I wouldn't be. I would say, no, I am needs to go. I mean, the guy needs is at one fronts for when he needs time Bengals venues in a long time and things need to change. Easy, get your feet, you know, under the table on the copper ever as when when when you winning games and breeds confidence, I think if you look at the actual games though, then you know the giving up Cianci's and some of these games and things might tell them the different films defense that we can was shocker. But I like he's gonna plod as play from the bar to hold midfielders. He tries to link up a bomb young his at, and he knows he knows what he wants. And so this can only be good for for us. My first getting for, it's been a great season in my opinion because they're building blokes Josie, slightly different had scored. The only worry I had with jokes start. This season was the five salary commence late and obviously, you know, a Luger had one, oh, you know, lately, who does if Murata had started the season phone, these confidence, which hasn't then Levy as you're coming from the bench. I just tell no Murata's on from where he was last year. So that's an issue for the. This been some well superseded by the five edna's out, looks Hoppy at the moment. Although there's been some stories again, but Real Madrid, nothing that's a viable option for them has age if he still scoring the goals and driving team for well, that's where they could fold on because I mindsets in Liverpool have options for goals going around the field, but as nice to see Chelsea, I'd never fee teams at the moment. I look at the goal of the way I think in realistic Thames for me mindset. You love appeal to. It seems gonna push it all the way to the end of jokes do that. Then when amazing job from salary, but I can just see them to be honest boys. I could just see them falling off a little bit as the season progresses, but I don't see any reason why sets you'll ever pull going full of somebody who's not in is Manchester United. I look a masters and it is. It is a real mess. Boss the weekend didn't change anything. Even though Marino still in, you know, installed as manager. He's not gonna anywhere, but that result was more to do with Newcastle being bide rather than United figuring it out right. Absolutely. I mean, the figures I, I mean, the it was to Nell. And then there was a definite penalty where actually young hun, Kim up around come from the free kick. It was missed by the officials probably feeding. Then there was a head from, I think about five yards that that the job books that the here my next to save it was it was a shambles, and that was a fight back against the team set and bought me illegal. Again, the go, this better and the fighting, I know lots or nonsense please paid to. I don't buy any over. The whole thing is just Tokes. All the talk of Edward will benefit will mine, although I understand he's a football money. He's a financier, Edward will the chief executive was part of the acquisition of mine United by the glazes. So he's not going anywhere. So if there's any of any struggles here, the glazes mind is Edwards. He is a big part of. Ho, the main money and have made aquisitions. So if Maria, thanks is gonna win, not to then he's no. So clearly there's a, there's a process that money United with marina is terrible. So it's it's going to happen just it just a matter of when I just wonder looking effects with all the headlines that we can't have marina was going to go and no matter what happens the club good about odds of abusive, but PR even though it might have been Marino's people that. I look at the fix is coming up guys, the next six games. So maybe slightly only have to look at it yesterday and no protect all is Josie. She vent, this is bull myth away. I know that seven strange by United boom of the way, but they're playing well. Then it's mine, says the city and then maybe event this again or another. It's another big team. It's like this half a dozen games that could just tell them the funds who are giving them a little bit of support because they're not sure blame, you know, 'cause he's blaming within the funds of and the Knicks maybe maybe the United bowl of just setting, but we're just gonna give this guy enough rule because these next few games, if they go the way, we think they're gonna go. The funds are going to be calling for his head and then will just come in calm loose. And I kinda wonder if that's what they're plumbers because they're gonna do at some point. And I think that just waiting for the right moment, it seems that we create wound final one for me on on Marino. Trolling through everybody, ex players, comments about him the last week as as we seem to be rooting his victory came across something by Damian dolph on TV after the Champions League game last last week with Valencia where he talked about Marino on how even his abrasive style would with players, didn't make him love him any less or want to play for him on a lesson he talked about, you know, Marino being like two inches from his face screaming in his face. I'm just wondering as a goal who who played in in what we would know consider, I suppose the old school era, no disrespect. But when manager seem to do that whole prevalent, was that kind of of almost abusive management style. I mean, it could be what you know. We just we just saw the null, we, we, we, I listen, you have to take out. You're right. You either. Listen, if you deserve that you deserve that he didn't think you deserve that you saw a fault bog, and the metaphor speaking way, you know fight, but you bog or you except to you all and you you and you, you prove your manager role. I mean, VO folks also, Honda ado, there is an element today of, and I've said this before of seven plays an, I think marinas been like most people here. He's, he's, he's washed letting in public at my United has not been goods, but still has been on a lawyer plays in my opinion, quite Hoppy to hide behind the fucked that you'll be psyched next week or the week after on his talk takes and it's all has full and they're just happy for him. It's hitting flock. Well, they've on the perform nothing as an extra part of the frustration from his point of view that he knows this. And so that can make him. Between the five that there's a oppressed lava, and that's it. Press love. And there's a media, a media love of while the Oland will do it at the moment how exciting as and he reads this, and he sees these players who this relationship with the monitor that. And then he sees has players who are getting paid a little money and international players not really performing on the walking the headphones on after the game, and the smile and laugh, and then the getting the and the driving, and I think that's infuriates heaven. And he's used to play with players that maybe hot this sort of prestige in the past, but delivered the goods for on the field. And I think he's finding the difficulty of watching the multi-millionaire footballer who is Hoppy lifestyle, but not delivering for the manager. And he's, I think he's been a big problem for them to figure out I passed going guys any pass. No. Fixation and watching monitor with such a great CV in many countries struggle in on that is, I mean, I'm. No, I'm not on the marina. Apologised don't agree with what he's done, but I for one, don't set setback and thing. I'm really glad to see Marino struggling because as as a story, soul to watch as as as as quite size, quite side, from football in perspective, assaulted perspective, to watch a guy who was revealed an has monies and been successful swim many countries of everything. Washed out the in public view and almost you know, sales -combobulate on front of the watching world. I, it's, it's not for me. It's not an easy wards because I respect the mind for what he's done. He's clearly one of the best managers who has walked planet. They see till, but boy is just unraveling and such public view, I think is just completely uncomfortable for everybody. Not hope a for him end sir could see managing the national team Portugal or whoever. I just wondered if he's had enough of the day to day Rego's of what what this modern game and social media, what is not. I think I think that for him, it does feel inevitable. We'll, hey, we enjoyed this as always Craig. Get back to enjoying the rest of your night. Are you? Are you settling in for like Yankees Red Sox now, or are you kind of on Netflix? What happens now? No, I'll tell you what homes. No, as my wife is sitting there watching some nonsense that you know wife's watch the. I've really got no interest in. I'm going to go in the kitchen. I know crack be reopened, won the round aimlessly trying to find some home to do drinking beer, and then. Of a known a half to go bed. It's such a sad exist. That's fun to watch. TV in the winter boys will sit down and watch it, but she's watching. So she has actually watches on Netflix at the moment from the youth from the UK and she's washed it before, and it's very uninteresting ball. I'll just let it go homeless. Well, enjoy walking and circle. Yeah, yeah. By the way, a contel. My greatest achievement so far come into the United States as of monies to get Steve Nicol to pay money to join the private golf club near where we live limit Chilean. This is one of the this is one of the grid is face of my life, but he's actually scooped some money to join a private golf club at new relive here on he is currently hiding somewhere in an these host, worrying about how many roads is gonna play quakes what he's paid. A finally goal some money in that. That's just an amazing. I guess if if he's been drinking bud for all these years, what he saved on beer, he's been able to spend. I would imagine that fellow has saved his communion money. I'd say he has his win bonus from the nineteen eighty eight eighty nine season. I would say it's all in the shoebox under his bed. Got pictures today because we played this mall of him walking around the course and it's tough wall because it's very hilly. And as you know, it's humid of the moment and he's pushing the the late way, push up a nine trillion behind them and the Gulf because I've prepaid for the Gulf Cup for the whole year because I can use unlimited sames and he's walking because he's refusing to pay for the call. Wait, you won't give him a ride in yours in a low to give them a right because you have to pay to and the car. I know it was in these main that he joins control you. It was mainly join that he was going to play the first whole site and then hit you lift with me of told them, annoyance Thames. Thames is not how. You have to pay for cop, you have to walk so so far guys is walking that is to that that is more enjoyable than any successful round of golf, just as the nickel in that kind of discomfort. Well, don't Craig. Yeah, good stuff, man. I'm sure we'll catch up soon. Thanks, Craig. Boyce. Just thanks to Craig. I feel almost feel bad ending the interview of knowing now that he's just walking in circles aimlessly I feel like maybe he wanted to keep talking hoping his house. He's just doing. Here's the car door. Again, you know is what his wife's watching that dad that he won't that he won't even try it something from home, and I'm afraid that it might be one of the soap operas from home. There are shows I can tell you that I had no intention of ever getting into, but you know, I'm I'm with my wife on the couch and she, you know, I watch a lot of sports which she doesn't always have huge, all hail. I'll I'll watch some her shows. And next thing I know I'm like watching below deck Mediterranean on and on into it might my girlfriend's done for me to. She's introduced me to new shoals by the way, not in the high castle. I haven't watched it yet, but it's back. It's back. JJ this time of year. I was planning last weekend on just like men in the high castle. It's back. It's all I'm gonna. Do what? What are you gonna do? Why do you have to do it all in one big goal, but it's not even just that October? Yeah, for October, November for sports fan. I don't know what between soccer obviously, and then baseball and the NFL and college football and preseason NBA games. It's like when when are you gonna watch anything? No, I agree with you. So I don't know. I'm gonna have to find some time 'cause I can't wait. I actually went back and rewatch the last episodes of last season to kind of like reacquaint myself and I'm pumped, but I just don't know when there are some good people doing God's work on YouTube who gave you those fifteen minute expanders, and you need fifteen minutes man in the high castle? Yeah, it's a complicated web. Oh, man. What a show? Hey, this was fun. Our thanks to Craig. Our thanks to Jackson Pollock for creating art that inspired you to compare it to Josie. Marino. Thanks. Jay Leno for creating Leno burnt Leno. Sorry, Ted. Danson our thanks to Ted Danson and and Danielle Beck for joining us here on the tonight show. We've got another podcast Jeff, Carlisle on that one talking in depth about Michael Bradley. So for all the people who tweeted us hate for us saying that we think it's okay that he's back for the friendlies, give it a listen and see what, Jeff. Thanks. We've also got mailbag red cards, amount of the match. You're going to want to get into that podcast a lot. You know what we also have a lot of on the other one. There was so much liking happening in Europe with American players, huge amount of you liking me, hey, this is fun. My friend to you. I say, take care listening to cod off side soccer podcast.

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Episode 148: CIA Backed Modern Art

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Episode 148: CIA Backed Modern Art

"<music> <music> <music> <music> <music> <music> <music> <music> <music> <music> uh-huh <music> <music> <music> <music> <music> <music> <music> <music> <music> <music> <music> <music> <music> <music> <music> <music>. Oh <music> and we're back after a two week hiatus sneak preview there for a moment everyone yeah. Let's see what's going to be coming up soon. The please turn out the a._c. And i tell you what it is so hot here. Everyone i feel bad for everyone. Else in the building is about not ah. I'm just glad it's not nearly as muggy as it was that thursday in jersey. I have not been soaked in sweat in a long while two days later later. We're going to get into that. I definitely gave a run for its money. Okay so were officially into the grand cast here. We were off last week had a little a bit of a hiatus a travel day. Come back from jersey with big. Hey we got to take the trains. That was very exciting jersey all the way to j._f._k. J._f._k. like we did okay. We didn't get lost. There was those rush hour rush hour on a monday. We were a couple of regular madman so we looked at the prices for how much it was going to be you for all the trains because we had to connect it like two or three different places and of course you couldn't buy one ticket to get all the way they are. You had to pay at each place because it's its own separate transit authority and we looked online. It said that things were gonna about anywhere. Between ten to fifteen dollars a ticket so when we get to each of these stations hilariously really we go over to like the booth and suddenly the prices are twenty four dollars a ticket thirty three dollars a ticket what them oh yeah i have no pride so i had no problem going over to one of the people who stand around to help and they direct me over to other booths where people will help me get the normal price. It was totally like their sucker setup for anyone who didn't want to talk to an actual person. You can pay almost double price but if you're trying to actually speak to anyone oh no oh then i guess you actually do get to pay a normal price all right chris. What are you doing over there. See let's quickly clicking. I'm <hes> getting set up here and make sure we got the facebook comments taken care of while johnny wyatt's chuck it in <hes> james crowe you already know when it comes to the c._i._a. Was paying attention to our little preview yeah. We're we're. We're gonna we're gonna be talking about something. I found very interesting today. <hes> apparently the story came out a while ago but the what what it means means when you really look into it and in kind of projected forward and outward really to me <hes> has a lot of ayob eye-opening opening connotations but before we get into that we're going to discuss a little bit about the the winning trip so before pope any pictures and stuff you're andrew. What was what was kind of your overall vibe of of the wedding. What's your report. It was incredibly laid back very tight knit group of people it was just the close family the immediate family and then best friends that they've known for a while. It was very cool. We took over the entire cottage estate eight gristmill. What what you call it. Whatever and everyone came prepared good lord. I've never seen seventy coolers in one place. Yeah we do it right. The whole common room in the hotel was was just coolers all wrapped around the room. Just grab what you need. You were warned that there wasn't any stores so people came as if they adjust pretty much bought a liquor store. Ironically liquor store have been waiting closer just like a block away. A block went down though because we all stayed on the compound it was great. What did you think of it. I can never do a church wedding again this. This wedding was bernama and andrew nice shot a lot of it and we're creating a wedding gift for my brother and his wife from documenting the entire wedding so hilarious ruined if they're watching yeah sorry i already know i wrote it on their fridge before we left monday morning traffic but the the it was so well done and i i have we've got all this content and i love the show you guys share it all with you but it was their moment it was their wedding <hes> we're putting all this together other for them and then it's up to them on on how much share in that but if any of it makes its way on social media i'm absolutely going to show it and and splash it around but what we are going to show is a couple of pictures that that were just our pictures from throughout the weekend but this wedding who's thirty two people and every little detail they have planned out and in personalized and customize it was it was such an intimate and in great winning and there was some parts that were so so fancy and then other parts that were totally lake lake easy relaxed blue-collar it was such a cool mishmash of all of it and they had one of their friends preordained to do the ceremony and and this district knocked it out of the park. It was the best ceremony i've ever had tears laughter. It had talked at your heartstrings in the shoot was over in five admits this part everybody back to the bar so let's show some pictures here because my my brother had an absurd good idea for what do you want to do the day of his wedding and almost killed me but i made it through here. This was this was we got in wednesday night and this was thursday at their house in jersey <hes> thursday night but before we left friday for the weekend wedding and they've got one of these little patios with the windows they're not. We got to awesome deal with windows. You can open it up and get the release that either. No windows has windows so the the point the point is we're playing some spades in a thunderstorm for him late at night on the east coast to like when you're talking the full east coast host experience that to me is in you got the thunderstorm hanging out in the rain has some beers throwing cards. I i was in heaven on on this night. Yes he was so then. This was our road to the the the wedding this friday afternoon. When we headed out there we stopped picture. It's andrea and i in the back and recognize us. We tried to hide and then. They told us that we shouldn't hide 'cause. It seemed like it was more appropriate to have a b._s. Solo the dude with the bow tie. That's that's my brother and the lady on his left or right depending on your orientation that is his his new wife <hes> and so we may or may not have pulled off the side of the road to do a quick little glass of champagne here but you know we're wild and crazy crazy folks so this is when we first arrived and they've got the whole layout all of that in the background and after this is this this kind of goes off the rails for me i i'm i'm the picture front so <hes> that those sentimental pictures now. Let's get into the real story that actually wanna tell here so saturday morning day of the wedding leading my brother's like we're going to do a dude hike with all the dudes that are that are here so he had the wedding party. Only one guy in there has no facial hair all have various loza total toll of beer party except for the efficient so <hes> <unk> so saturday morning we leave to go on on on this dude hike and i totally forgot where i was going with all of that but the bachelor gary oh yeah okay mother. I remember where we're going now so friday night. It was the wedding party just the sixteen eighteen of thirty two people that were there for the weekend. Were there friday night and saturday morning and then everybody else arrived in the afternoon so us five. We're the only the only dudes is with the wedding party that that went on the on the dude hike and i'm thinking oh okay. My brother likes to run on. These guys are highly endurance in jogging dudes but they're like but this time we're we're. We're going to climb uphill. I'm like all right well. I can chug along dinosaur on on an uphill path easier than i could keep up with these fucking dear as as her running nonstop <hes> along some hiker trailer whatever but no no that's that's not what they had in mind so these jack asses had had a had a phrase that they kept shelton as your own up this goddamn mountain and it was a frigging mountain. It wasn't a hill. It wasn't a trail. It was a mountain and their phrase was run. The run ables ronald ronald guys so spot that was smooth or there wasn't rocks they they took off like frigging deer and here. I am slowly holy. Try and clumber up frigging and i thought it was gonna take a bunch of video. Get some cool stuff with the cold group on this trip and i was fucking johnny lumbersome by himself the entire time this is this is like some of the easier terrain that we were going on. You're gonna go to another picture. They got a couple of bird's-eye snapshots of me. Try and this is on the way back down but this is the <unk> precarious shit. We're going up and down. If you realize i'm rocco polo i was totally unprepared for for this type of shit and then a top of that. I'm rocking damn. Kelli kelli deck shoes up this hill because let me bring hiking shoes. They're all in their little new balance. All we got the new balance for mountain climbers shoes news so we're going up this. Damn thing i don't know if you can see on the tree there but the trail is the is marked on the trees here and there she got kind of find your way up to fricken in up the mountain and got they're gone. We're going to now. I'm just feel my way up. There and i don't even know where to top. Is these people becoming down on the way back down and go next one and hell. How long do the top one person would say oh twenty more minutes now. The person would say half hour so yeah off dude. There was some brutal sections through here and so for at one point. I passes pepsi's two dudes. I'm like hey guys hold onto the top and then ah twenty twenty five minutes or so but it's about to get real bad for you. Buddy jesus christ what the hell is going to be in store and just just kept. Luckily i have to worry about rattlesnakes out of these. I mean these frigging rocks but i kept thinking about the whole time an awesome frigging rattlesnakes done waiting to happen so then i i could up. There and i don't know i gotta be close to the summit but not totally at the summit in these two really big women are coming down the hill the the other way and now it's like jesus. These are coming back from the top. I got at least finish this journey on i can't do. They look like they were like it. It worked their butts so they looks like it could have been taken them awhile but they did it. They leave up. Here's the best part about these these communities you well. Let's lethal water bottles in the car. Soon have to carry stuff yeah so no fluids. Hold the whole way up and back so very surprised you agree to that. I didn't goes halfway up. The hill and we don't even walk to the park. Which is this got. This got shocked ideally more drastic and before i knew it i'm like literally climbing up fricking rock hill and then the whole way back we're all comparing steps and so it was like sixteen thousand steps to the top and bottom of this thing and they're all they call it the to sink klein but that's what i do wanna steps and i'm sure my steps for seventy eight for two hundred and eighty. He's seven thirteen hundred. Does this laughing day in thirteen hundred zero. One of them's forty eight steps what happened that day sick from the bed to the couch to couch. Yeah i think james crosby <unk> saying you're pure bad ass after that i think he's just purely doc shoes and polo shirts conquer in his mountain guides a._m. Radio is bad ass. Oh and someone else knows that friday night when you were helping with the show so you were doing that at the wedding party to yeah. I was sitting around the fire. That's how pissed off at the firefighter. They made me stop drinking because the state of mind show is getting all messed up and things were right for everybody so completely ruined my buzzer at the bonfire and call it in and it was right after after the rehearsal de that's why i wasn't allowed to check on the show saturday skida. I wasn't allowed to check on the show saturday because <hes> <hes> people who want me to get distracted and and get all caught up on it on the wedding night so i couldn't do that so this <hes> this. This picture was taken on the way back down after they caught back up to me hadn't hadn't backed on the hill. They look refreshed. You look at shane of i could puke yeah. These are all good good to go run around a bulls forget. If i ever hear that again in my entire life so we can we can take that down but so the entire wedding one great it was amazing. I'm like old man guy trying trying to knock go downstairs and start off. I couldn't bend my knee. My other neal was twisted. Oh man it was brutal. It was kinda funny because he's he's the older brother he is the oldest of the kids so even out of ever all the party years there he was proudly probably at the upper age of all the parties so when he comes slow in all honesty shipped out all he james he dad moan moan. If there is any way to roll down this hill i would absolutely roll down this hill but you wouldn't have got you wouldn't have fell five feet before he just all mangled into the rocks and the ship it was is nuts but host the ladies. We had a very nice morning. We had the common room of the main hotel where we had all the coolers colors and the champagne was chilling all the juices we had the breakfast people actually brought us over juice when we ran up juices so when the breakfast was done we all had the most and then we popped open the line and the important ladies got here on news talk. Here's here's the button on this whole thing the whole the whole rest of the weekend. I've got these girlfriends and wives of my brother's friends and all that all so proud of you. Okay with guys off so proud of you. I'm i'm a forty year old with the mind of a twelve year old. I'll patronizing me. It was frigging ridiculous. I mean you saw the pictures. Chris is a little different than the others. They look like they've run. Dot beings being sin you. You look like you've eaten all of the beams. Don't the one dude in the in the back left of the picture of all of us when we were in the truck. I'm doing it yeah he didn't he in the back left there. That's that's j. That's my sister's husband per beer yeah he he he doesn't he doesn't do inclines. He's the the marathon running one of the bunch and i thought like going with him would have been the more strenuous exercise and probably would have been the the better way but just give you idea of of what kind of company the rolling in this truck. Jay's got like a six hundred thirty eight days streak going of running at least a mile every single day and we're talking about the likes. His bruce likes likes to put put the beers. Donald trump hungover is that stay gets up runs front all of them. It's a ridiculous crazy. Absolutely crazy and chris thought he could keep up with them. I did not know what i was getting into like. We tried warning. All the women tried to nobody. Nobody said we were going mountain climbing. This was for his low. This started as a trail l. into up up the hill. Just a nice gradual trail. There were like tree tim treat timbers into into the incline so like oh okay we run into some bannon clients here. They've got steps carved into it and it just gradually what point we got frigging lost. We couldn't find the the trump knows the only thing that i was able to keep up with them on is when we got lost and we had to go back for the trail. There's dude next to frigging backpacks. Shit this guy so a what travel this thing all the time. I've been doing this thing for freaking years. I noticed the back of my hand. I don't know which way the trial went but i know it's it's back down there so even he got lost this off road. This shit was it was nuts but it is nice enough. You get off road enough. There will be someone else who similarly lost note little repeat the rush to me coming down the hill and there's like ten year olds group. Little kids all come out but this is a thing then oh here's the the whole thing. We're at the party making we're at the party. You remember man dude dude. I played a play the bean bag toss with early the morning yeah we called a man bundled yeah we were. We were cleaning house on my cousin who frickin. She was running shop on the bean bag toss until we showed instructor twice. She'll she'll. She'll like skunk joint pain. They were there for like two hours until we showed up a skunk less than five minute twice. That's more embarrassing than losing twenty times in a row. I don't know everyone had been drinking for a while. Not it's not it's not the the point we have been drinking as well but the point of the entire story is so ryan comes up to the truck during point. He's like you see ma'am dude mike yeah. He's like you know that he'll did this morning on mike yeah he's his run. Team does five fucking lapse of that hill saturday sickle up dollar dollar up and down five times. I'm like dude. You'd be pulling people off of that. Ill with frigging helicopter. I don't understand our nobody's twisted ankles. I'm care how much of a goat you got in your amazing being signed on in the story stuff here. I just came off the hill. I'm i'm working poor and water okay chris. Would you like to discuss now. We've we've got a discuss. <hes> it's september. It's a new month. It's a new topic and and this month's topic is regulation c._f. <hes> for those that don't know a few years ago the jobs act had a law change inch and the law change allowed. It opened up the doors for startup funding job creation injection of funds. Why is it no matter how much turn off notifications. My notifications still make notification noises. It's crazy. I got like three different. Layers of notifications turned off but so regulation c._f. Is the change of the jobs act injected more money in a small businesses and startups to try to to to create more jobs and a two part a lot of people aren't even aware that it happened and they have it hasn't been full utilized to its full potential yet. The most laws are though benefits normal people. You don't usually get to know about until twenty years later when they're like oh. You should have totally taken advantage each other 'cause we had it but then we took it. Awakes used it well. They don't tell anyone it actually pass in two thousand and thirteen and it took three. Maybe even as early as two thousand eleven it might have passed but it it took them three to five years to set up the infrastructure and the regulation body around all of it to work properly but so so what enlarge part of does is it allows. It's a corporation or an l._l._c. At at the start up stage in its first couple years of existence to run regulated public offerings through a third party entity that's regulated with the s._e._c. the security and exchange commission and through that anybody can invest as little as one hundred dollars i think even some sites allows as little as fifty dollars into investment that anyone anyone has the the freedom to do basically created a new regulated penny stock market hit for small businesses to take in investment funds in small amounts from the everyday american now previous to this the only people that could invest in startups ops or private entity companies that have gone public yet were accredited investors. What an accredited investor is somebody that makes over two hundred and fifty thousand dollars a year and the reason that was done. They say it was done to protect the little people because you know people at that. Don't make obscene gobs of money. We're all morons that needed to be protected from ourselves. So so the law regulated it that only rich people could invest in opportunities that we're going to return high reward high risk investments on all all these things so facebook the people that made millions and millions of dollars off of facebook where the people that had shares facebook before facebook went public but it was illegal goal for you and i to get shared out yup jackson pollock. We're going to get into it beth <hes> but it was illegal for you and i to buy shares in facebook before before it went public in the huge return opportunity had already passed by so what this ultimately ended up being was another one of these ways where the rich get richer and it prohibits the everyday american american from being able to amass large sums of wealth through these investment opportunities that they they are closed out because again the governments decided for you that you can't invest your own money. You're not smart enough to do that. Type of thing so now the the the the wall has finally been broken open so so where anyone can do this and this is a path that the work only exploring. It's something we're gonna talk more about with graphic in the coming months but for this week that's pretty much the basis of what regulation c._f. Is and how it can facilitate new business models new opportunities where are rich people that are already already have their own agendas and have all the leverage in power put up the funding and they take take the majority of a business from a startup the creator that's the other problem that we have so many people are trying to start businesses create ideas and all those type of things if the venture capitalists and the people with all of the money are the only ones that that can invest in these startup companies. They have all the leverage now they can say okay. You need me more than i need you because there's fifty more people behind you have a startup and they're asking for money so i want eighty percent of your company for this initial but a seed money. You don't say yes take hi buddy. I'll talk to the next person so like shark tank the shark tank but take where you have no leverage back and they can take n._b._a. Predatory as they want with it and that's that's how all these companies mrs. This is why facebook has gotten so big because what they've done is they in a buying out these companies right in in early stage we soon as they see somebody that ten fifteen years from now it could be a challenger to them. They buy up in scruple right up underneath their umbrella in folded in the place. We gotta get to is where these challenging companies these. These new start-up ideas are funded by the community by the audience by a large group of people that don't want to sell out to facebook. They want to challenge facebook. They want to challenge towards the establishment and they want the company to go the distance to reach its full potential of what it can be and needs type of startups need ceo's and executives and people that aren't just looking to build another tool to throw over to facebook and sell out for millions of millions of dollars looking to see it through to the end in run a b._b. That they've they've evolved into a large corporation corporation that can challenge these companies to do business in a different way and this is. This is something that i believe very strongly in that regulation c._f. Has created the the pathway forward to do so but the audience and community awareness is still not at a point where everybody realizes that this opportunity exists so yes. That's why we're doing this little segment on regulation c._f. Injury anything <hes> questions on the regulation c._f. Anything from the the chapter that we should address on so they're saying like any company. Can there obviously have to be restrictions on. We'll that's blake even to apply to be considered to do that. Like what are some of the things that so. I decided i wanna make an andrea's going to bake a cake. Once a year the company and i would like people to invest in my once a year. I might bake a cake company. We'll see who's cake it is and how amazing that is also so as long as you've created an alzira corporation you go to one of these platforms like start engine and you'll have to have your books in order. Believe me the books. You can't just make it up and then just decide. I'm going straight to the mat with it where i'm like i have done. You've got to be a legally operating business entity so in order to to check that box off yeah you gotta have books but yeah so assuming you're a legally operating company an l._l._c. or corporation then there's <music> a review process of your structure your your agreements your your personnel your your books to make sure you're operating by by standard practices of a company and then they handle the regulatory process with the s._e._c. and your your your campaign runs through that platform again the the two biggest examples or would be refunder start engine. It's very much like a typical crowd fund campaign but instead of donating twenty dollars and getting a stupid t shirt you can invest has two hundred dollars and have have equity in shares in in the company that you're investing in and they're these companies these third party regulatory companies please. They don't exist to pick and choose the winners. You will check the boxes off. You do all the things you need to do to be able to list your offering and the market determines whether or not your idea has merit value. They choose not to work with you. They can but they're not supposed to. They're not supposed to again. Pick and choose the winners so you'll ultimately find one that will fall rules and allow you to to meet the qualifications. Run your campaign whether or not that campaign is successful is going to one hundred percent depend on whether or not the audience clicks with your idea whether or not enough people are aware of it and are exposed to it and it's a it's a better opportunity than having adding to find rich people especially if you're somebody that comes from like i don't know a blue-collar places like buffalo. We don't travel in elite circles like i don't even know if the mayor makes two hundred and fifty thousand dollars a year so running into somebody in in your your network your circle even your extended network that makes two hundred fifty thousand dollars a year little on enough people people to pitch to and present to people invest in you is a very daunting and an almost impossible task now you throw in a moral code into that agreement agreement where you want to be picky about who's money you take and why you're taking that money and you're looking for lightning in a bottle or you can go to the audience and say hey hey. This is my idea. This is why i want to do with you. The community and this is why don't wanna take large investment money because this is my ultimate goal to bring people with me in the bring small investors an opportunity that reaches its full fruition and everybody wins off of it but just devil's advocate world someone expecting anything less. Someone could decide that they want to own more than half of your company couldn't they. You could have a wall street wall street you know kind of situation where someone just just buys all the shares and now they own percent of the company because you might have the money but no they now have all the shares like no one day no bylaw. I know you don't you don't put you don't have an unlimited amount of shares that are made available. You're setting the terms of the offering and deciding how much of your company cell for how how much stake in the company that you want so. I don't know the like one of the levels that you can run the start. Educ campaign is there's one hundred thousand dollar level where you can raise up to one hundred thousand dollars then the next level is you can raise up to a million dollars and then love left to that is you can do series offering where you can raise up to fifty million dollars so if you're if you're trying to raise one hundred thousand dollars and you offer up sixty percent of your company to raise that hundred thousand dollars well. You're the idiot that gave far too much equity for for what you're trying to raise and completely devalued your company out of the geico. Anyone have have a bit of knowledge on equity in and <hes> ratios is going to look at that and say that's that's a bad investment but like i've known you offer up a hundred thousand shares as as the two percent or one percent of the company for the first one hundred thousand dollars and make it like a dollar per share and that's a war meaning you put it up for however many shares you think there are equivalent to one hundred thousand dollars and let's say big bad copycat company decides fine. I like what you're doing. I'm gonna own you. I'll buy them all so you get your thousand but they don't own. All of it doesn't work your next round of a million dollars. No they go. I wanted to learn more go up. They just got it all up. All up ten minutes gone just like a ticketmaster amazing. They do it every time so because he the they have a majority of all stock that has been purchased and you had no control over it. Could you couldn't say no. Could you think that copy first of all in the first of all if somebody is looking to buy up all the shares made available they are going to get better terms and and and better value value by discussing with the executives listen. I would like to make large some investment and now i'm not saying me as an executive but whoever in a general example sample is if your goal is to buy all the shares available you're better off going directly to the executives and telling him you'd like to make a large investment. You're going to get better terms but in a sense where you're just buying the ones that are made available through these offerings. If you're offering up more shares than than you require to maintain control of your company then that's your own mistake and that's your own bad math so back in the there's i mean without getting into into the weeds on this type of thing. There's a lot of different structures in formats that can be done where you can make sure that the founder still holds the the the the majority interest in a company like i think mark zuckerberg like silicon valley. Has this model a lot. Mark zuckerberg mine only own ten to fifteen percent percent of facebook but he's the majority shareholder in the company because it's been structured like that. It's got founder stock and things like that that that that protect him from losing a controlling doing interest in the company even if he doesn't have the the majority percentage right. I think we explain this well. Everyone set feel like you okay. Hopefully still around because we're we're about to get into the views of the main topic. We're all the things that yes <hes>. We used to make title so other people may have no miss i just found this came across twitter and i kind of filled on the rabbit hole paul and followed it apparently in the fifties and sixties modern art of the words known as doodles and splatter paint. We're made famous and popular by the c._i._a. As a weapon again in the cold war weapon against russia and their censorship the the c._i._a. Literally propped up this style of art just to stick it to them and say the we're so free and free thinking that we can have splatter paint paint as highly respected in invaluable are so let me give you a little back story here so simple paragraph that just gives you the information mation on us for years. There have been persistent rumors. The agents helped fund the rise of the american of the americas abstract expressionism movement the fifties as in sixties period of cultural dominance that saw the likes of jackson pollock and mark rothko rise to the four to the forefront now the independent reports former the the independent reports former c._i._a. Age donald jamieson has come clean about the agency's role promoting american art on a global stage. All is part of the drive to portray america america's a free thinking culturally rich opposition to the heavily censored centrally manage sylvia empire and the irony of of reading this from no. You have to actually do credit to whoever wrote this in the paper so people can look at themselves. It's just politely. It's being summarized in the ransom note dot com but there's been a it's been other articles macabre quaid road it. It's been covered in in many different areas. I've cross cross reference. This is just relate to give credit okay so we're not really worried about the article here were worried about the subject matter so the point being they went and set up wasn't wasn't aim of this so they went and set up the congress for cultural freedom and had offices in thirty five different countries around around the world in magazines print all these different things just look a position of authority. That was saying this art. It's so good it is so amazing art and they started buying in propping up artists like the biggest one was jackson pollock and now these artists because again the newly most artists are left leaning and they're they're anti establishment. Don't like working with the government. Don't wanna look like a sellout so artists didn't even know their entire careers existed because through three levels and three layers of of buffering the c._i._a. Was buying up all they're doing buying it up raising the prices of it talking about it that it's the greatest coolest thing ever and making these people ought to be folk heroes us rule. We all like jackson pollock. Why do we like jackson pollock because we were told to light jackson pollock who told us to like jackson pollock vis c._i._a. Hey and if they can do that with fucking splatter throw at the wall. Let's see what sticks it's free art if they can do that with that. What else can you tell us that pay guys. This is called al. Didn't you know that we put a whole frigging skeleton crew of phony front corporations to to. I'd say this stuff's cool so you guys think it's cool because it's been stamped with the authority with with the what do they call it an authorized voice or the there's james there. There's some sort of term for it where we're in the establishment kind kids. It's provable. It's been it's basically been blessed by mainstream establishments. Now's legitimate. It's cool like when movie comes out if nobody hears about the movie and they don't see z. In all the all the big big places where you see your movies you assume that movie sucks you assume that moves a piece of crap but the only difference between this movie and that that movie that you're seeing all over the place is whoever owns this movie has the money to put it in your face all over the place and tell you it's cool. It's gonna be great. It's going to be the next big movie at first this marketing and advertising company walk this gets any bigger umbrella. It gets into operation mockingbird where frigging again another another conspiracy theory that was that's been exposed as legitimate government program was to infiltrate through the cia members into the media and through that the goal was to ultimately climbed up the ranks and control the entire media. What happens what gets put out. What gets the attention chew focused on it. All of these different things some people call it the four a._m. Talking points where the powers that be issue the talking points for the week and these are the things that are going to get discussed and people think that stuff crazy. It's crazy but every time you start looking around you do a little research you dig onto the stuff you find out people's entire careers ears were popped up propped up by front organizations for an alternate agenda. I i don't know jackson pollock. I don't know if he's he's even still alive or some of these. Other artists are still alive but i couldn't imagine i don't know he's gotta be. Let's say he's alive. He's got to be in his eighties nineties or i'm not an older person you magin finding out your entire career. The entire reason your art was popular. You created a counter movement in the industry because of your ingeniousness was splattering eight was all because i like the government the c._i._a. Used you as a tool and they just bought your shit. Get to create a false perception that you're cool because it was the complete anti thesis to to russia's stuffy i dunno for berlin square friggin which it or what whatever the hell the square is called hit me with the square there. I don't even know what you're talking about. This point you just totally scott scott whether the with the whatever the square is in moscow no word where the their headquarters in washington d._c. The they've gotta a square of some sorts in moscow. Let's just let's stick with the fact that we're all about knowing russian. Okay well yeah are russia. Geographies absolutely absolutely terrible. Hopefully why james bax someone will chime in with what the the russian square is i. It's it's it's frigging driving me nuts because i it's rate the tip of my tongue but dude. I soaked in this episode. Man's like three rounds. We've got out for casting online online. Oh i made it a long one. Dude you dove into the air stuff right so moving on if if the cia can tell you this shit school union the worry about what the hell they can do in in in two thousand nineteen because fricking i i can make some splatter paint and you're not gonna know my shift from jackson pollock. I promise you that i like it but i also like that. It was used mona lisa smile because why is because it's frigging pretty because they pushed agenda to make you think it's cool. It is pretty you we were told thing. It's pretty yes because you know me. I listened to what i'm told to think your call the sheriff for a reason you know the rules of adolescent even when nobody is around to enforce the rules. You're always there to make sure the rules are forced. You are literally the establishment so yes. It does not surprise me red square there. It is thank could james. I knew somebody have her back but yeah you're drew literally the person we're talking about when we're talking about the c._i._a. Made this over here. I think it's cool. I'm allowed to actually think artist cool sure sure yes yes. I suppose to think art is cool. Let's let's an artist. Let's move on. Let's move onto onto the next set of commie bastards crazy frigging hong kong shits nuts absolutely nuts so keep okay so we're gonna. We're gonna go ahead here. I have a brief before you get into yours. I have something cool. That's coming out of the hong kong situation so today. He talked about the genius way. They're taken out smoke bomb. I'm talking about the ingenious app that is being used now because china in hongkong long are trying to stop the internet from being used so that they can't all text each other's league can't actually coordinate everything so there is this amazing asked brand. New firkin app called bridge defy so is the word bridge in that f. y. At the end what they use is blue to technology so all the phones are already set up with it. It doesn't require internet. You can do individual text messages you can do group chats they could like is beyond the internet and it's possible for everyone to still do it can't be stopped as long as they download. Their apps in this is that they use also in extreme weather like right now. We're having the hurricane going on and the internet matt starting to be spotty and everything people all around down there could get this app in they would still be able to as long as you can blew up to three hundred meters from anyone else in bounces off off everyone's bluetooth so it could literally keep travelling all across the world as i say they are like nikola tesla but better because they actually got it out there instead of letting someone else's by it and bogged down like frikkie everyone go and follow them on twitter. There's only there's only one thing i have to say for this. This brought something. I've only one comment about about an app like that and it comes from the great man known as his name just blow moma global comes from the brilliant man jeff goldblum life fines away and who wrote that line for him was look. I keep a line to someone else when you are just played from deresh park. It's drastic park. Jeff goldblum said it that's all it matters for a main reference now. The point. I'm trying to make here also doubles over to do so. They're they're starting to hit these these these folks with with smoke bombs and our casino on youtube or not but there's sweden genius way. They're taken out smoke bombs. They've got teams is ready to strike. When a smoke bomb hits the ground they got somebody that comes in with a traffic cone. They put the traffic cone over the smoke bomb to other people come in each dump of bottled water down the traffic picone and it puts the frigging smoke bomb out and then then the smoke bombs completely wiped out there taking a smoke bomb throwing it back out awesome get life finds away it frigging great so the again no matter how hard you try to stand up for yourself. This is gonna squeeze toy twice as hard. Put put this put this headline up here. This is from breitbart. I know some people don't like breitbart but this is ben confirmed. A couple different across you can google finding yourself did did the ships going on china starting to strip custody from parents of kids that get arrested protesting this stuff and these frigging people ah completely indiscriminate on who arrested who they're beaten up who they're attacking mullen folks out there now. I'm gonna read just just a a brief part of this. This will be the title of it though everyone on monday. The first day of school in the autonomous region thousands boycotted classes in universities and secondary schools to demand communist party-controlled government address their demands after thirteen weeks of protest those calling for greater civic and political freedoms in hong kong have pivoted towards demonstration tactics and make it difficult for the government's carry on normal normally without addressing the protesters so in response hong kong is deployed police to violently attack those taking to the streets or any bystander unfortunate enough to be in the vicinity of a protest this weekend police reportedly store mass transit rail stations and began beating eating people sitting in trains without regard for evidence that would either link them to the protest movement or identify them as a passer buyer police then ban medical workers from entering the train stations to administer first aid to those they assaulted triggering a protest by hong kong's healthcare workers. Do i make more people protest this. This is how you make more people protest. You beat up the protesters you call it. Then sweeps harder harder. That's how more people come out the streets and you make this bigger and bigger like i how how much history due to go down and follow and repeat before the establishment realizes where they screw themselves waimea squeeze too hard rebellions four don't watch fucking star wars for christ's sake. This is what creates rebellions squeezing using too hard where people that don't want to protest they just want to go on to life and not be fucked with our trip and sohar to walk out of the doors kitten in line informed thousands thousands of millions of people the they want across the entire island of hong kong holding hands not setting up smashing smashed windows not attacking shit just holding hands so you do. We just want to be left alone. Under the terms that hongkong was given to china then we would be a democracy that the officers are not afraid like look at that picture. I'm gonna take this down for a second. Look at that crowd. Where do you think there's twenty police officers trying to rule that really you think that you should be allowed to rule that many people they should be worried about being trampled about being stoned to death when the fact that the crowds haven't on that that is huge restraint especially after the violence that the police are showing when you when you establishment has to use indiscriminate indiscriminate violence to maintain its power. There's there's you're done you might take another. Five years might take another ten years. You can run somebody over with a tank in the eighties but but it's not going to go away the tomorrow's going to comfortable with the parents though because that's what but this this is what the whole thing is is we're talking about hong kong situation and this is again. This is how you create more problems. I guess it should be pointing this way. This is how you create more or protest this how the turnout continues to grow and grow and grow and these people aren't even being violent in any way shape or form. There's there's pacifists can be because they've got the moral high ground. They know if you have to mow us down if got run over with tanks again to shut us down. You're <music> only going to create more rebellion. You're only going to create more people that join their side and their force. It's just i don't understand how china doesn't sit there for in realize well the harder we react to this the worst. It's gonna be for us because the more people are going to agree with them. The more people are going to take their sides. Always look what you did by beating people in playstation. Let's block out the medical care naive got the medical care people that were just gonna keep doing their job and protecting people in in unwanted remain neutral through this help. The cops help to protesters now. You made them pick. Pick aside because frigging. You wouldn't even let them do their job et. He entered tell explain this to me because i will lose my freaking mind trying to think about how you can be that high up in a position of power and and not realize how your power crumbles away doing these exact type of thing because of that high up that they don't think that they're touchable and the people have to actually do it are the ones who are so brainwashed into thinking. This is what they have to do that. They don't think about it kind of like resolve back in the thirties and mm forties. It's just like i mean there's always going to be the people who were enforcing and have a it was just my job and i did what i was told to win these people otherwise if they wanna turned on me this is rachel tiven play up. They just don't think anyone else matters as much as they do. This has reached a tipping point where these people aren't just going to go back to work tomorrow merle or next week or next month and be satisfied with well. We tried to protest. It didn't work. This isn't entire generation. That's the problem is the it's reached the tipping point that this isn't just going to go away and what that means is were were were running into the immovable wall versus the unstoppable force and <hes> chinese military you got come in and shut us down with the military and now you're looking at a global scandal now. You're you're looking at putting putting a target on your back with the rest of the world because they're all gonna let you just go in there. Ceremonies people down well part of it is we would know about it right away what we well while they're trying to control the internet so we do have a man on the ground people now v the <hes> the mysterious mr e is on the ground and reporting updates constantly to david on his show <hes> my state of mind state of mind line t._v. David host that show every tuesday friday to stay bryce state and sadder stays and mr each in as often often as we can let let us know what's going on in the ground there gives us direct reports into the shit and keeps david gluten so much so david david can't condense lancet down enough to to discuss them the stuff and covered on the show because <hes> mysteries like i don't know but when when all said done in ten years david it might be able to collect these emails and put them all together as the monarchy anne frank the mystery from behind enemy lines telling these stories james crows idea then when the police are hurt the doctor them either screw you equal number two. I'm not helping anybody. I'm not getting involved in. We don't have to be to make the doctors pick sides absolutely stupid and it just it really amazes me in this day and age that even at country like china can get so many storm troopers fokker beat my full civilians down. This isn't wrong at all. I'm gonna do it and none of these countries where they're going home to the the end of the night because don't they have to walk through all these crowds in all these people who are so pissed off to get to their house members were times overview and neighbors who know yeah part of it. So how are they even having that's not shipping amend from the the farmlands mainland china yeah bring them. The military has all down there so it's all part of the resources pippi's on hong kong that were beaten down like that's part of what they don't want people to be indiscriminately shipped over the mainland just because they aren't following the communist party lately. I just don't understand how far into the evolution of awoke nece and and sofa awareness we have to get as as a race in a in a society before the military people the the storm troopers that execute all these these wars and evil shit and all that you refuse to participate well we all saw world war two. There are still plenty of people willing to do it and they weren't stopping because their conscience was getting onto them. Mr e is the chinese james bond. That's that's a good description of them. Mm-hmm hope he's is he easily in and out of bad situations as as the chinese james bond. He's also one hell of a chinese fortune cookie writer because throughout the show's all time he comes in with the super chats and it's always some some chinese fortune cookie ship that he's got going on and you know canines. Gotta read this stuff out loud and the put the little spin onto a napa usually put me in a in a blender with some of these <hes> wordsmith things. He's he's putting together all right. We're going to move on the ready new hot in here. All minutes and i swear to god. I feel like your forehead looks a little getting a little listen on there. I'm i'm doing well and not getting tired. Let's let's through this so we've been. We've been talking about this for several weeks. It's <hes> it's getting bigger and a bigger and bigger the mafia homecoming party the n._f._l. Season kicks off this week. That's why we're wearing the bill shirt for solidarity tanya janica colony here. I builds going eleven five. If they split with new england they're winning. They're winning division and this is the start of our window. Next season. We get the big bad ass wide wide receiver but for right now. We're coming home to an all week. Three with the home opener in buffalo graphics can be live streaming the party friday night. We're going to have a bunch of bills alumni the house more super fans than i knew we had a super. Fans are confirmed as guests for this freedom party. It's going to be nuts and then <hes> saturday. We're gonna we live streaming the poncho bill <hes> ceremony and memorial for for partial bill who passed during the offseason which such a shame man team this was loyal passionate fan forever forever and ever and and <hes> the off season he passes away. He's when the teams really really starting to hit their upswing. It's just a shame then sunday. We're going to be doing the tailgate with stuff. Steve johnson over the over. This do stuart up here. You move this way this guy we're maybe doing the why so serious podcast with stevie johnson and we're going to be doing it live from the hammer lot which is heard anything about bills fans all that crazy table jumping slamming shit that that all goes down in the hammer lot. We're going to be in the heart of bill's mafia for this live stream. There's a guy named pinto ron who barbecues on the hood of the one thousand nine hundred eighty s pinto and fricking this dude before everybody heads into the game he gives everyone in the in the big surrounding circle little squirt bottle also ketchup and mustard and he gets rained down on ketchup and mustard for for the tailgates summer ceremony. Who's been doing this as a tradition. All the way back to the frigging ninety s when we went to four straight super bowls even has a dirty old bullying ball from the eighties that people have been doing cherry cherry bomb shots out of for forever cherry bomb shot live. It's going to be good. God damn time dear bills coming home to know shit's going to get nuts. I think that's a mono uh-huh gets too much it to quit model and herpes disgusting disgusting ball fingers. J james crows actually not far off on this one. I am nothing before these days horrid the i never had a good hairstyle so there's nothing to lose and i it's just as good as the hold on. Just everyone knows when i met him. He did have hair and then. I have a real hairstyle. Wherever you like died really like wow this shaves shape of dawn so that you could tell the depths of it no no they have to let you get one point trick pulled up no men women they get hold out there with for a while and then she like they talk about being tricked. No hold up. Hold up no so i when i was working on we're warner inc. Rampant rampant a nice bullheaded and i was working on the warner brothers lot. It was like a small city there. They had everything you needed. They're one of the things they had. There was a barber so andrew barber if she does die. Andrea and i were going for a big night out for something at some point in time and i wanted to get a real nice fancy haircut for once so i went there and told her. I don't know do whatever you do with my hair. If you're getting me ready for for set or whatever with it and you have free rein. That's that's what she she did. She decided like you can call it frosted tips but it was a flushing has right now because he knows right so he totally was back in the day when i used to get my haircut they wow thick hair. You've got such a hair now. This is what hollywood did it to me folks. This is what standing up to the machine did to me. You want to know who's got my goddamn hair. Frigging the establishment for took it they. They scalped me all right. We'll speak in a scalp ins. Let's talk about ref ratings. Law ref ratings rate the wrath so cold front report basically right your threats yes. Yes you can write. The wraps apparently every single play in it eventually. It's going to be volve into gambling app but right now. It's home of the bills mafia party. They've got yours truly hosting and running the bills mafia party so installed ref ratings hang out with us party. We're giving away free socks all sorts of goofy crap throughout the season. We'll we'll have some special guests here and there this is this is going to be completely evolving and yes james cross. This is absolutely aerodynamics when i'm coming off the bus about the lay the elbow into a table people in a couple of weeks. You're going to know that i'm not hitting any wind. Resistance is it that he asked me to shave. His head. Barely has hair there anyway. You can't see it but he's still living she added because i don't need the the old man all on the mandate man beardie that six around that this is the let people rowing growing the way i wanted to know that i still can grow hair and as you saw the wedding pictures beards are in. I would've looked like an asshole if i didn't have appeared beer. Someone's gotta keep kane and toews yeah. Keep you on your big. That's why we call it sheriff yeah yeah. Let's just start talking about your looks this team enjoying this t._m._i. Dear there's a line in the sand. You're going full howard stern now now and talking about way too much personal information about what color if slayer of evil is asking what color the die was it was like a brownish blond type of thing because my hair is always basically been white white so they tried to put a little color into it so it looks thicker because that was where my hair was starting to thin out shook off you would multiple colors in it multiple shades of blonde multiple yeah so she's like oh as long as you layer it with different shades of the color your hair look thicker. I heard all that sweet. Let's do it. I was full hooking singer and if we're gonna throw people under the bus for for going bald than i have to bring up this story for for offer the gang. I don't know if any of you guys ever watched. Hogan knows best but if you can track down the old episodes of hogan knows best you watch watch a family get destroyed in real time tv. It was the saddest most heartbreaking thing i've ever seen in my entire life. I will tell everybody this to the day. I die it. The only thing more sadder than this episode of hogan knows best was the fucking two coreys that shit was was was soul crushing watching the two coreys so hogan knows best. What are the episodes the families hey hawk. It's your birthday. We're gonna we're gonna take you out dead. We're gonna take you out to a surprise dinner or takeout picking out and take you for a nice surprise and in hulk hogan terry because this is his family now he's all he's got the bandanna on and everything and all that it and he thinks he thinks his loving families taking them out for a birthday surprise these fucking assholes with the reality cameras took him to frequent a hair consultation person about getting plugs in two freakin like they took him to bosley this exactly where they took him an ambush them and said oh. We'll pay for get some hair plugs and all of that will pay for it. It's his money either way. Student was so ambushed harpo melissa folks. I've been at hollywood long long long enough to know bullshit and long enough to know real shit and all the trauma that happened with the hogan family all happened after this fucking episode like he his heart broke walk in and he's he's here's i. I don't understand why my family can't just love me for me. My fans love me for who y._m. My fans love my look for who i am. Why can't my family just love me for who i am and that was the end of the hogan family his birthday of all things man. I'm fricking forever feel bad for that man for that. That was the coldest i've ever seen on t._v. Deer would you wanna go to falsely komo said even when a half bear this is where we really we circled all back to this no just checking to make sure i don't mind having the bald headed look i. I need to get that fucking thing. We see on the billboards all time. Shave your head in seconds flat because it's just pain in the ass to keep shaving it all the time. I don't like if there there was a way i brought this up before. If if if there was a way that i just voluntarily weird bumps if there was aware could just voluntarily turn in the horseshoe and be like listen you took the part that matters take the goddamn horseshoe with ya and let's just be done with this charade. I would absolutely do that like if if bosley had a secondary division where like all right you've committed to it. Let's let's do it and we're we're getting the wrap it up signal from from the chiefs upstairs so we're gonna move on past the the the great plug. No pun intended that the ref ratings got here for for for their app which turned into a friction scalping of already bald man. That's like a handicapped crime so let's move this shindig along. We're we're skipping writes. A bullet blitzes okay. That's gonna end up birth anyway. You might as well just let them have it for for the end of the show here we're gonna we're gonna run through these quick and dirty they own mind is going to be a little bit louder. You're going to hear a bit of background. It is what it is what it is given given their a._c. The let them eat cake there all right so chris you're going to go. I can pull lineup right now. I'm i'm going to preface this question by fully knowing you don't know anything about what you're about to answer on and that's the entire point the n._f._l. Starts this week. <hes> um first question is a two part question. What do you think the bills record will be this year sixteen game season thirteen three and thirteen you. I've seen you guys you do very well for the first two games and then you just you let someone get hurt and then everyone gets hurt and then your backups backups right. We're not gonna listen to your dissertation on billy's after three and thirteen prediction you're overeating sweaty hot orange juice and forgive forgiven drinking nice sweaty sweaty hot orange juice told me that builds going three and thirteen frigging here chrissy for asking me about sports. Who's going to win this sunday between your bills and both in new york the jets are it is the jets are new jersey and the giants are in new jersey only one new york team because they're piggybacking for branding sake. We're not getting into the semantics of this. Who's going to win. The bills are gonna win. How many players are going to get hurt on the bills. Team is listen. You know chinks. We're not gonna do any circling. Who's the guy from from goodfellas. It always lost all the bets. I'd like to point out. I didn't do this cloth. Everyone guess who brought back east coast cold with them again. That was fine for an entire week after we got back in two days ago. She brings me down with it. Don't bring me down bruce. My bullets applets chris and your first game of the season for your team. The bills spurts one to how many of the players are going to be injured by the end of the game. Why are you putting this out there. I'm not i don't have to put it out there. We've seen whatever you know. I just blocked your bullets blitz. You get your blitz. What happens then. You just jinxed the entire team. Don't break their ankles running out of the goddamn locker room my next. My next bullet blew blew my mind. Next bullet brew got me. All frigging rattled now. Swami rumor has it. Silicon valley is developing a social credit system for the us and we all know this is bad but what is the one thing we should be able to rate each other on driving. I should be able to buy a dash cam. You should have everyone should have to have a dash cam though to prove it to prove that you weren't fucking jerking around ause whatever whatever happened but if someone pulls fucking shenanigans instant you can go home upload that shit you get credit and they go down. I'll goes. I saying the dash cams. Frigging traffic violations should absolutely be crowd sourced and i should get a cover the ticket freaky dashcam couches. That's what i think think through all the psychopaths goddamn roads now see how you took driving. I'm gonna have to come up with a different one on the fly. Is that yours too. Of course that was mine. Newly really you stole my wheelhouse rant. Driving about ranting is is like breathing to me so mine is going to be fucking customer service people. Give me a way to rate you sons of bitches when you check out on the phone. Oh there goes your social credit score. You know no metro home. I promise you that i could see that. He did the people on how they do their job. We have to interact with people who aren't also employed at the current time by the same people. I could see that being our dear last bullet blitz in the congo line can come into the station. Happy wondering you wanna scary one. Give me what you got happy. If you had endless free time in money where's the first place you would -cation so that means i can go to busk vacations afterwards but whereas if you can go it for the rest of your life it can be nonstop vacations shins. Where is the very first place. You're going to go much pitcher. Why well for starters i because i can get right out of the way and see if it's absolute actually is amazing as i think it would be or not and if it leads to any kind of rabbit holes or fricking adventures i've got the rest of my life to travel and chase them pursue these adventures of what what macho picture grew abroad but like totally if i could do vacations and an endless money i would literally be that guy that worked for the nazis in in frigging eric indiana jones and the last crusade just goes around and finds type thing there was one in the temple of doom to like literally the nazis had a specialist that went around the country country around the world chasing down artifacts and all that type of stuff. I totally do that. 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TIP240: Investing in Fine Art Like a Stock w/ Scott Lynn (Business Podcast)

We Study Billionaires - The Investors Podcast

26:27 min | 1 year ago

TIP240: Investing in Fine Art Like a Stock w/ Scott Lynn (Business Podcast)

"You're listening to t IP. Hey, everyone. Welcome to today's show as regular listeners know, Stig. And I like the press the limits of creative in unique ideas and on today's show, we have an interview with art collector, Scott Lynn, Scott has been an entrepreneur building new and innovative companies for over twenty years and throughout that time. He always had a passion for collecting art. Then in two thousand eighteen Scott created a company called masterworks, which is a platform that secure ties is fine. Art by filing the ownership of various paintings with the SEC. So Scott was the first person to enable investors to collectively purchase and trade shares and multimillion dollar works of art by artists like Picasso, Manet and Warhol and many others. So get ready to hear a fascinating discussion with the creative. Scott lynn. You're listening to the investors podcast. Well, we study the financial markets and read the books that influenced self made billionaires the most we keep you informed and prepared for the unexpected. This episode of the investors podcast is brought to you by sip recruiter. Hiring is challenging, but there's one place you can go where hiring is simple, fast and smart a place where growing businesses connect to qualify candidates. That place is sip recruiter dot com slash invest us here in the investors podcast. Use sip recruiter for finding just the right host for new shows here, the investors podcast network within twenty four hours. We had more than one hundred applicants and Houston. Seep? Recruiters intuitive dashboard, we quickly short-listed five candidates that we proceeded with. And we're not the only ones who take advantage of soup. Recruiters features sip recruiter, so effective that four out of five employers who post a sip recruiter get a quality candidate through the site within the first day and right now listeners of the masters podcast contrived CPR. Quarter for free this exclusive weapon. Dress ZipRecruiter dot com slash invest us. That's ZipRecruiter dot com slash I N B E S T O R, S, sip recruiter dot com slash industries. Sip recruiter, the smartest way to hire. All right back to the show. Hey, everyone. Welcome to the investors podcast. I'm your host Preston pitch at as usual company by my co host broder Sohn. All right, guys. We are super excited to be here with Scott, Len and Scott, thank you so much for taking the time to tap us today. Thanks, so Scott, we've covered many types of investments here on the investors podcast. But art is clearly a new frontier for all of our listeners. I personally know so little about this topic. And I find it quite fascinating. So talk to us about how you got started in this sector of investing. I am super pumped to hear how you respond to this. I think like many collectors I I started collecting are really out of passion. But you know, many collectors have made a lot of mistakes along the way. And then eventually learn that art can also be an investment from our perspective. We see this after class, which is really nervous. He listened for read any of the ticks on artisan asset class, the Loyd estimates that there's one point seven trillion dollars in fine are immature. Clean try network collectors home. There's fifty to sixty billion dollars a year themselves in terms of volume two to three percent turnover at this, very interesting investment. But the problem with that, and we hear this all the time that the only way to participate as if you have a couple of million dollars by painting. So it's this really unique outperforming outside class that really nobody can afford unless you have a lot of money to acquire. The aren't we think at the natural assets to be securitised you made such an interesting leave, right you. So you collected art played a very interested in art. You could say that about a lot of people. I would say you took a distant one step further. I took it like a mile more than anyone else. Could you talk to a some about that thought process? You know, how did it become an idea, and how do the tune into what it is today? You know, my background is really been inserting tech companies really at the same time collecting art. My approach was really how to how to product tie those from a tech perspective to make accessible to all types of people. I think that's probably the unique perspective, you know, most people in the. Community are not tech people and was pet guys. I know or not our people. So that maybe the unique perspective that we bring very high level some of the correlation. Studies that have been done in one that we like to sign a lot and CitiBank study from two thousand fifteen for the to the Bank private Bank concluded that individuals should allocate between one point four and four percent are depending on what percentage of their portfolio. They hold into liquids. And I think a lot of that conclusion is really just based on two factors. One is that the class overall just the final market overall independent of the blue chips like man is outperformed the SNP for the past twenty years one hundred and eighty percent. The second thing that I think is important is that it's really an uncoordinated asset class. So if you look at the dot com bubble bursting in two thousand market actually increase over that period. The highest correlation to a financial crisis market has has action in two thousand and two thousand nine when the market style. Or I think he has a p fifty eight percent the art market decline twenty six percent. So that had roughly correlation factor. Point five, but in general, the asset class is uncool related to almost all other Athens's, which we find very interesting when when taken in context of its outperformance as well. And what do you think that is the case typically when we talk about cycles and economic markets, you would say that some good you would need regardless of the economy, fine art seems to be an asset class. You definitely don't need. Not including Uber. Have got. That's nice. Doodo need whenever you need money in the communist. Yeah. I think there's lots of art history majors running around the might disagree with on that. But in general, I would agree with you. We don't actually know what drives our prices. And there's lots of academic theoretical conversations. We could get into on this the one hypothesis that we have is that our prices are correlated to ultra ultra wealth creation around the globe. Whether you talk about that in terms of growing inequality, or however, you want to characterize it that it does seem like that's what it's probably most closely correlated to we have a an ongoing research project right now, we're we're trying to prove that. But we haven't yet concluded it is a global market. And so I think the latest stats on the industry show that forty percent of the market in the US twenty percents in the UK twenty percent of them China the rest is primarily western Europe. So at the school bull market of people multimillion dollar collection or affectively trading. One to ten fifty million dollar paintings between each other that really drives the market the easy way to think about the market is probably to think about it in two. The different components one is the primary market. And I would think of just the primary market is being painting that I've never been sold before. So these are usually living artists represented by galleries. That's really difference. I'm into the market that went masterworks focuses on which is the secondary market, which are paintings that have been sold multiple times. And they're usually by artists that are no longer living. We tend to think about the milk in those two ways. And then within the secondary market. There's what we referred to as blue chips egg man, which is roughly sixty percent in terms of dollar value of the market overall in this segment, and to be from household brand name Ardo sort of like the Cosso were hauled off GATT, except right usually names that you've heard of that primarily masterworks focus, but that's a very high level. Think about the market Scott talked to us more about this blue chip art that you speak of when we were first of the term blue. And this is a term that a company called our price has really created were just referring to the top one hundred artists by sales is the top selling artists. They tend to be from our perspective. The most interesting. Risk adjusted returns in the art market. Meaning that the volatility if you invest in a blue painting is relatively low very very unlikely that you're announcement would ever go to zero but they provide relatively study return. These are painting can return eight nine ten twelve fifteen percent a year somewhat predictably without taking a lot of risks. So it's off that's the segment of the market that can be most institutionalized, and is the most interesting, so very high level, we talked about Oltra wealth creation on a global basis of that's happening in countries outside the US as well as the US independent of that. There's a very interesting dynamic in the art market. That's almost unlike any other asset class where you have a continual decline in terms of supply on an artist by Artis. So one of the things that you see in the market is if you take an artist stick a well-known artist like Jackson, Pollock for example, Pollock and his lifetime. Created hundreds of drip paintings is well known for. But there's only twenty something of those drip paintings that are less than five the collection today, and the reason that supplies decline. And because after collectors died after the decide to pass in their collection of museums. The number of our work available in private collections just continues to decrease. So all the Jackson Pollock is well known brand that a well known artist. The number of paintings that are available to purchase continues to climb every year. So in part, I think that continuously declining amount of supplies. What does drive prices up as well? So I would think about taking into the art market is being broken into old masters modern impressionism postwar contemporary kind of a primary segment. We did this research piece in our research center on masterworks where we look at returns by segment of the market. And they're looked at volatility to affectively create a sharp ratio. And it's interesting what you find when you look at those different segments. One of the things that surprises people most often is that if you just very generally speaking more to purchase a Rembrandt today. Very well known Dutch as it would be unlikely that you would actually make money on that painting. If you held at ten or twenty years and part of that is because the our market we see. Tastes change over time. And right now, most of the people that are net. New buyers are interested in buying contemporary postwar painting some modern persons and paintings, but they're not really interested in buying masters were not really seeing any appreciation that segment of the market. You mentioned yourself, you preferences, change, how do you predict that I guess as an art buyer? You need to know what the change in preferences are before people knowing. Yeah, I think that's right. And we, you know as a buyer, I guess an asset manager look at those trans right? We look at the trends and appreciation rates artists that are sort of moving into the blue chips. I man, and we look at Trenton depreciation rates artists that are moving out of blue chips segment and try to predict that, you know, the good and the bad news about the market is that nothing ever happens fast online technology industry that I'm used to see changes overnight or changes within a number of months. We don't really see that on the market all of these trends occur on a compounding basis over a number of years. Those are the trends that we watch and trying to figure out how different artists markets are changing or or how the market overall. Changing primarily liquidity comes from about selling the painting to another private collector. Right. That's the number one thing that drives the quantity, we work with investors to help them sell their shares at times if need to get out of investments, but people generally should think of this is the seven year investment, it's an illiquid investment, they allocate single digit percentage of their portfolio to and don't really expect to have access to that. Until the end of the life of the investment made. Let's walk through the low fines of how we think about acquiring pain thing. And then ultimately the quitter day. So we'll go out we'll choir a painting with ten million dollars our own balance sheet capital. We will then file that painting with the SEC is to go public, and the going public processes very similar to how you would think about taking a company public effectively, and that's one of quipped one wants the paintings public. We didn't sell shares and the painting that anytime after that a collector com make an offer to buy painting. And then if the painting shelves, the proceeds are distributed to those shareholders investors, so the market a lot of people don't realize this, but the market is very similar to the real estate market and that huge portion of ourselves. Through public auction. There's millions most likely public calms that have been tracked over the years within the art market. I think in fact, one of the things that we tend to focus on or paintings that have sold two or more times the public auctions. So we can understand appreciation rate or depreciation rate for particular objects, and there's been sixty thousand times the painting sold two or more times at auction. So there's this really huge deep data set in the art market that helps us understand trend and value for a particular artists particular period. So when we're looking at acquiring a pain thing, we're looking into Stoorikhel comparable paintings that have sold by the same artist of the same style. That are rough as an example to try to understand how have painting similar to ours appreciated collectively. And how do we think armpit things a persisting historically to try to predict future precision rights? Scott talked to us about risk here on the show. We always talk about protecting your downside risk first. And then if you purchase an under valued asset the upside will just take care of itself. So as we consider the downside. What causes an art market to crash. People have been collecting are for thousands of years. The biggest crash and most recent history was early nineteen nineties with Japanese sell off that was the most significant crash. So, you know, recently other than the financial crisis. We haven't really had any significant downward movement in our prices now, it's what we do see. And I think what is much more common as specific artists markets decline rapidly. For example, one artist that we've really seen decline just from a market perspective that they meant hers Damian paintings for various resents, or or sculpture, whatever really declined value over the past ten plus years. So I think we do see it on a particular artists basis, but other artists conversely like based on all the data we have now ammonia in particular, we see very low likelihood that has painting decline value. When we look at all the paintings that we have by Monday that sold two or more times we only see three percent chance that Monet has ever declined in value visible second sale. That's a very. Interesting data point. And I think within this blue chips segment overall, we really do our at the very very very good sorta value so far into quitting and value. It's declining ten percent. And it's climbing twenty percent but fifty percent declines one hundred percent decline. So they're just very very uncommon. We think portfolio of our makes sense just like a portfolio, and and most affect classes makes sense. And it is interesting. I mean when when we look at the blue chips egg met, and we don't see a huge standard deviation in terms of return by artists. So we might see a range of return somewhere between kind of eight percent and fifteen percent that large. But it's not like we're seeing one percent to forty percent. So there is a reasonably narrow ban within this blue chips segment returns. And you know, we we tend to focus on that. 'cause you please tell us a story personal story. What you've been wrong where you've been right about odd valuation. And what you learn. I'm sure you have cut if you I have quite a few. So I think one of the things that new collectors. Often get wrong, and this many many times over definitely described himself as new collectors tend to focus on the artists themselves and not the examples by that artist. So if you've taken an like because Mukasa created over fifty thousand objects lifetime, and when I was first collecting one of the things, they did they went out and bought this whole lot of Picasso ceramics from one of his neighbors, and France, and I think I can't even remember the number acquired which something like a hundred ceramics by conso, and you know, they're in all these crates of straw. I remember receiving up on thinking the term. This would be a great investment. And the problem with that approach really is that if you look at because it's ram ex their dishes, right there made mathematicians, you know, he was maybe involved with it, but wasn't intimately involved with the creation of those Ramic. So they have his name on. But they're not really that unique not that special collector's of the CASA would certainly not aspire to one day on a couple of ceramic. And I think that was a good lesson on, you know, having all of these objects by very brand name artist. But not having any particular. Object, the necessarily that good. And therefore those objects not really appreciating that much of the future. I think if you look at the value of because of ceramic today, they're probably similar to what they were ten years ago or twenty years ago, they haven't really changed that much. All right. So Scott, let's also give you an opportunity to talk about one of your really good purchases for better for worse. I've had lots of stories I had a seventy seven to Kooning which willing to canoes one of the more important American artists. Women one at the moma's, arguably the most important painting and in American history, and I acquired the painting from Christie's a number of years ago. So I think that painting, and I don't get these numbers specifically wrong. So don't quote me on this. But I think I heard that painting for I wanted say seven or eight million dollars and came close to doubling the value on that in about two years. It's all it's really after they're a whole bunch of reasons. But that was the right time that choir that painting on the the right time to sell out. There are opportunities like that that exists in the art work. And I mean, we don't certainly guys investors and think about. Those types of returns with with our products. But they do it this time. What is a good return? No, you talked before about risk adjusted returns. And we talked about that, you know, the asset class is different than what we usually talk about keep in mind the types of risk being curr. What is a good return in the market right now. I think it depends on what segment of the market you're talking about. So for example, if we go back to my earlier comments about the primary market versus the secondary market. There's a lot of people that just invest in the primary market for new artists. Living are two that are looking for thirty forty fifty one hundred percent plus returns, and that's very speculative game. But a lot of those are also have a high probability of going to the euro as well, but this is just very interesting risk adjusted asset class for you can be radically outperformed the market without taking much risk, or at least less risk than how we've you developed equities. You know, the art market is a little bit hard to predict but it's always collectors who are purchasing. These paintings. Collector usually has very specific collection of their focus on building out. So for example, personally, have this variance of collection of postwar artists from nineteen forty six through the early nineteen sixties, and you know, I'm always looking for one or two artists to kind of around that collection or complemented because my focus is really on building that collection. Scott, I'm assuming most people listening to this are like me and have a very limited understanding of art investing. So what would you recommend for them to become better informed about the methodology? It's a good question. I mean, I I will point you back to master out to our resource center. We assembled for investors one of the most comprehensive research centers of all third party resources as well as internal research that we published the, and it really helps I think people think about the our market holistically from a very high level before deciding to purchase a painting or to begin collecting. That's where I would start. And then there's there's a whole host of other website like our net or our price. But allow you to research. The civic artists or comparable by different artists. Look at the store collection records and really dive into the data the advice that ever give myself the advice that I give all new collector is focused on the ample not the artist. Because usually if you look at the data that one particular object that than a object or that particular artist will always appreciate much faster than the third tier object by the brand name artist. That's the one piece of advice that I would stick to. Let's take a quick break and hear from today sponsor Harris's great because it smooth and very comfortable. When shaving join the ten million people who have tried Harris claim your offer. But going to harrys dot com slash t. I p Harris is a simple cleaned assign with quality doable plates at a fair price. 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It's so overwhelming with everything whenever you enter new asset class, you know, you don't know what to start. You don't know what you stop your own a home to trust who? Not how do you filter out? All the noise if you can outline perhaps some of the first few steps, she would take S ambassador to really great questions to back from my question a little bit and talk about kind of evolution of how the market is just got to word today. You know, if you go back to the market in the US in the fifties and sixties a lot of decisions around. What is great are controlled by critics people like last name Rosenberg clinic Greenberg except Tra and they were really the taste makers in the art world today. Critical -ture died out to great extent. And it's really been replaced by galleries or dealers who decide one is good arm, but they also have a financially vested interest and making that determination. So definitely is a messy and difficult to understand industry for someone entering the market today. My best vice navigating that unfortunately is probably a work of people, you know, or trust with art advisers rely on maybe the auction houses more so than the civic dealers. You don't have comfort with the dealer auction tend to be a bit more. Transparent in their approach. It is a difficult industry to navigate if you know nothing about there's a concept and traditional industries where if you were giving advice to someone to purchase something, then you are effectively a fiduciary, you have an obligation to inform her client. How much money are making? For example, that dynamic does not exist in practice in the industry. Whether or not a lot of dealers do have to your allegation, I think maybe somewhat debatable. But in practice dealers don't really subscribe to that concept, and I do think very important that people be very aware that those that are recommending purchase or those that that may have a financial interest in transaction will probably not just want to you know, it is sort of a buyer beware dynamic, and I think anyone new approaching industry should be careful about since got one of the things I found really interesting is in the CitiBank report you reference, there's a huge spike in the Chinese market when it comes to art. Why why do you think that we're seeing this now and how does that change anything? Yeah. I mean China. It's been a huge net contributor to the art market overall. And we think it is a permanent change in the market. You know, you've seen most learns galleries in New York opened up in Hong Kong, there's a huge huge tiniest collector base. That's just coming rapidly. The market. We don't see the clawing down anytime soon. You know, we have seen historically in the art market other countries kind of come in and move out like Russia, for example, used to be a large percentage of the market most of the money in Russia. That's been collecting sort of Missouri. Expensive paintings a longer doing that. So we have seen that trend. We definitely don't expect the Chinese market decline anytime. I mean, there's so many new billionaires being created in China every day and a lot of those people are interested in our contemporary art scene in particular. We don't really see that trend changing anytime soon, Scott, thank you so much for accepting our offer to come on the show. This was such a fascinating topic. That is just completely out of anything that Stig, and I have covered in the past. So if anybody out there listening to this once. Learn more about you and your company where can they look the best? The best places just our website, which is WWW dot masterworks. I o amend. They mentioned before there's a great resource center on the website, lots of their content as well as just content that we've created and research on artisan asked the class, and you can also sign up and invest directly on the website as well. Thank you, Scott. Thanks so much for time to come here on the masters podcast and talk to listeners about collecting art, really appreciate it and hope to hope to be back to all right guys. That was all the press on. I have this week's episode of the masters podcast beseech again next week. Thanks for listening to see IP to access the show notes courses for forums Goto. The investors podcast dot com to get your questions. Played on the show. Go to ask the investors dot com and win a free subscription to any of our courses on academy. This show is for entertainment purposes, only before making investment decisions consult, a professional this show is copyrighted by the network. Written permission must be. 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Why Blue-Chip Art Should Be In Everyones Portfolio with Scott Lynn

Entrepreneur on FIRE

27:16 min | Last month

Why Blue-Chip Art Should Be In Everyones Portfolio with Scott Lynn

"Boom shake the room fire nation J. L. D. here with an audio masterclass on why blue chip art should be everyone's portfolio to drop these bombs I, brought Scotland on the Mike. He is a serial tech entrepreneur who's been collecting for over twenty years, and he brings his passion for Tech in art together with masterworks. DOT I. In today's fire nation, we'll be talking about Scott's are collecting background some bad investments that he made and what he's learned over the years we'll talk about the fundamentals of a piece of art which by the way I'm clueless about how art could fit into the context of fire financial independence retire early and just to kind of research and data that people use it a terminal, what the buy and sell. And so much more fire nation. When we get back from thinking our sponsors fire nation, your online course journey starts today join thing I ever five day course challenge in walk away with a complete blueprints for your online course, you'll be ready to put into action sign up for this free challenge today at think dot com slash fire. That's T H I N K I F I C DOT com slash fire. Scott say what's up to fire nation and shirts of the interesting about yourself that most people don't know I'm sitting in my office in New York and most people don't know this tracked everywhere. He doesn't know this but my my childhood dream was actually to be an actor and I'm looking at my head shot right now. That that feels like that feels like ages ago but but yeah, that's what comes to mind. Hey, we all have dreams. We all have dreams and aspirations and you know sometimes life just turns out a little bit differently. But the reality is I'm not the starting shortstop for the Boston red and you're not a actor apparently. So we. As things dog about though, and that's specifically is going to be wide blue-chip. Should be everyone's portfolio and I have to say I really wanted to have a conversation with you because I am clueless I. Mean I'm in my forties. been running a seven figure business now for eight years in a row and I still don't have any idea about blue-chip art I. I worked for John Hancock for a number of years back in my corporate days and I got to know all about variable annuities, stocks, mutual funds, bonds, you name it, but I'd never really got to know about blue chip are I'm really Looking for this conversation but before we get into some real real specifics I, WanNa talk about your art collecting backgrounds like how do you get into this and worse things that you've learned over the years? You know my background generally has been as a as a technology entrepreneurs been starting tech companies for the past twenty years and casual gaming online advertising and now Fintech. And the same time I've been collecting art. So I bought my first you know what I would. I would consider important painting at the age of Nineteen. And that was that was the late nineties. So that was a very different time for the art market than than where it is today today I. Guess it's much more of a Of a commercial business where I think twenty years ago there were lots of. People collecting sort of for the The joy of collecting the cultural significance of collecting in today a lot of people obviously our in our in at four four investment like reasons and you you read a lot about these, these hundred million dollar paintings that are that are selling today I'm a firm believer that in our lifetime, we will see a billion dollar painting style but it's a very it's a very opaque market that the most people don't understand So you know, one of my learn collecting I think as a horror is a hard question. I mean that like anything you learn through through making mistakes and kind of iterating learning learning along the way. I think some some of the mistakes that early collectors make are they focused on big name artists like? Picasso but they by a really bad examples. So most people don't know this the cost of made sixty thousand works of art during his lifetime and. Ninety five percent of it's just not not investable. It's not that. Great. So there's resolve these small things that the you know I've learned along the way. But Um as we'll talk about later, you know I've tried to put all those together in the context of masterworks to really help people access this asset class in an easy user friendly way and generate returns from it. One thing that I really would love to dive into because I know fire nation. Salvatore's for this kind of stuff. We definitely want to hear about what you consider one of your. Best Investments. But before we hear that, let's hear about a bad one just a really really terrible investment that of course you learn from and let's get the specifics on that I wrote a blog post on the somewhere on the on the masterworks website. But I it goes. It goes along the lines of what just said. So when I first started collecting I was focused personally on on big big brand name artists in in sort of buying lots of objects by those artists. So I I bought a something like I can't even recall now something like hundred. Two Hundred Picasso Ceramics from a neighbor that used to live next to him. In the south of France and. That you know the objects like that. Many of these are sort of ten, twenty, thirty, forty, fifty, thousand dollar objects individually, I bought a whole bunch of them wants. And they just don't for a whole bunch of reasons they just don't appreciate right? They're not. They're not the most rare objects there in addition series There's lots of out there. So you know the scarcity value is low So. That's probably you know things like that are probably the the worst. Paintings. I've ever purchased personally in terms of best paintings, paintings for. You know five or ten million dollars sold them two years later for twice the amount It just it just depends on the on the artists and the time and in the art market moves moves by events. Right so sometimes, you just don't know these events are happening. For example, if you buy a ten million dollars painting by whatever an artist named, Kooning, let's say and they're just so happens to be a new price record set of his a year. Later you know that can change the entire market I can be that can be the right time to sell so. Sometimes it's hard to predict those events. You know sometimes it's like I guess like any investment, it can be a little bit of luck but you know I've had some I've had some great wins and losses as well. Yeah and I mean, you know that goes in a lot of different investment classes I mean there's a lot of things that have happened even this year with things that might be a little more familiar with with covert happening where you have companies like zero you know having all these new record highs and you have companies like d'aquin now crushing it that you know weren't particularly doing. So beforehand because now. Everybody's in this new world and guess what New World Happen, all the time, and so you can't always predict them. But you know that's why I love being able to diversify spice out over a number of difference investment alternatives, which is kind of what I want to go. Next got what exactly are investment alternatives and how do you see them fitting in to current market conditions the way that I would think about it I guess I do think about a personally as is alternative assets like are are good way to diversify diversified portfolio into also increase overall returns of a portfolio You know just like any investment. I think any investors to think about risk adjusted returns right. So what is the risk you're taking relative to? What sort of return can you receive in art historically has been one of those asset classes that just hasn't been. It hasn't been accessible I. Tell people all the time and they find it. Amazing. But Sotheby's. Major auction houses There was traded on the New York. Stock. Exchange just recently went private. It was the oldest listed company on the New York Stock Exchange two, hundred, seventy, five years old. This is an asset class. It's literally been traded by the ultra wealthy for for centuries. But the only way to allocate to it is if you have millions of dollars to buy a painting in today's dollars. So he it just you know it continues to be class that outperforms in his uncollated other asset classes. We believe has a role in a portfolio, but there hasn't there hasn't really been away to invest in and outside of buying these expensive paintings, I'm going to be the first person to omit as I. Did earlier that I just don't really understand blue chip arts a level that I want to, which is why I'm really looking forward to this conversation. So can you break down for me and four fire nation the fundamentals in a piece of art let's start from very very high up thirty thousand feet. So when we think about the our market, we generally think there's a couple of things that cause our prices to increase over time. One is. Just we think of it as almost call option on the ultra-wealthy, right. So the wealthier the top one percent of the world gets not just the US because the US is only roughly twenty five percent of the overall art market but the top one percent of the world, the wealthier they get, we think that's generally correlated to are prices going up the second dynamic, which is a really really fascinating dynamic is that art is the only asset class that I'm aware of that is consistently decreasing in supply. So the the example I like to use artisan Jackson, pollock, who some your listeners are probably familiar with WHO's the splatter painter. During during mid century American I, know his Margaret Very. Well, because I've I've owned some of his work in the past and. It today I think there's something like twenty two or twenty three drip paintings by Jackson pollock that art in private collections he painted I don't know hundreds of them during his lifetime so. Those twenty two or twenty three hundred private collections are still selling for thirty or forty million dollars not because they're great paintings but because there's nothing else left because artists dies collectors the wind up with his paintings up, donating them to institutions museums over time and then. The total supply of the work shrinks and if you want a Jackson pollock drip painting, you have to pay in today's dollars thirty million dollars. So that's a really unique dynamic about the asset class that just causes prices go up over time. You know what's left to buy just decreases every single decade. Now in a lot of people they're concerned with volatility of their investments and when it comes to their personal investing style. So you're gonNA break down the volatility of blue-chip compared with say stocks and bonds, and that such or research seem as done a lot of analysis on what we refer to as loss rates, and then magnitude of loss, and when you compare to other asset classes like oil public equities in real estate, the loss rates are actually lower on our in the magnitude of loss when there is a loss is actually lower. Than those other asset classes, what are loss rates on a on a rolling basis the other thing that we look at what our volatility and returns and individual artists markets in some of your listeners may be familiar with this. This phrase called ratio in a sharp ratio effectively as is looking at the absolute return divided by the volatility in return to try to to try to understand exactly the risk adjusted return of any any particular asset class in in many of the artists that we deal with have sharpe ratios above one, which is very, very good for any class. So you know we think the volatility. Relative to the returns or tow. It's totally reasonable and very interesting in some of the absolute returns for the artists that we track or as high as a thirty percent historical returns. So know that's very hard to find in any asset class. Let's talk about fire for a second. Now, not the entrepreneur on fire topic but financial independence retire early how does art fit into that context fine thinking about achieving financial independence someone a well. Diversified portfolio with asset classes that have competitive if not superior returns to to other asset classes and the great thing about the Mavericks. Platforms you can actually go to the website review each individual painting look at the historical returns, and then as part of our our governance structure, we actually risk rate. The paintings would risk rating on a on a bond, for example so I would think about diversifying portion of my over our portfolio into an. Asset class are can provide superior risk adjusted returns. Now that being said I mean since this is an illiquid asset class we we do have a trading platform. Now where people are trading shares, we talk about that later but since it is liquid asset class I would I would think about limiting allocation realizing that you know I may have to wait several years in order to to recognize it. So you know as long as you're. Able to wait over to recognize your return I. Think it's I. Think it's a great way to diversify portfolio for for financial independence. So fire nation, we are going to be diving into masterworks, dot I, and we get back from thanking our sponsors. This is the company that Scotland has put together, and there's going to be a lot of interesting things going to ask him about this. So make sure you stick around. We'll be right back. Hiring can be challenging, but ziprecruiter makes it fast and easy. 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This is something that fire nation WHO's listening and they're like, well, you know honestly, like five to ten million dollars for a painting isn't something my near term future but you know five to ten thousand or Fifty to one hundred thousand dollars in part of a painting or owning shares in a painting could work for me. So can you talk about masterworks dot io like give a little background about the company like why you created it how it works in? You know potentially fire nation involved the reason of the company and what makes me excited about the company every day is that you have. This massive asset class, which is art. It's roughly one point, seven, trillion dollars in value. It's the oldest asset class, two, hundred and seventy five plus years old as I mentioned from from just the age of of subsidies alone. But the only way to allocate to it has been if you have millions of dollars to buy a painting so it really has been limited to the ultra. Ultra wealthy for for generations. But when you look at the characteristics of the asset class, the top one hundred artists have outperformed the S&P Five, hundred from two thousand, two, thousand nineteen. I think based on our latest latest data on we did a report with Citi Group. The end of last year that concluded was on correllated. So we fundamentally believe that it has a role in any portfolio. But we were we we were the first company to really secure a painting. So up until masterworks there hasn't been a way for anyone to purchase shares in paintings, which is honestly mind-blowing I mean you think about every other asset class my real estate has been securitized venture capitals been securitized private equity. He's been securitized but nobody's nobody's ever done are so were were you know a brand new company that's been? Around a couple of years in our launching roughly one painting a week now valued between one and ten million dollars So each each investment hasn't shown own unique characteristics, but we think it's a really exciting time to get involved in the art market simply because there's not much competition, I mean we really do have the best the best research team, the best acquisitions team in the best investment offerings. Compared to anyone else in the market. So based on that I'd love to know what kind of research and data that your team and you used to determine what kind of blue chip are the you're going to actually buy and sell. We have proprietary data that we've collected over the past. Couple of years, which is based on public auction data art market since the nineteen fifties. So we look at every single time, an individual paintings been purchased, what it is subsequently sold for what the return is with the profit or loss is that the collector made on on that on that individual transaction in we've identified this now more than eighty, five, thousand paintings. So you can actually go to the masterworks website click on price database in search through some of the data to really to really understand for each individual artists such as Pablo Picasso how much money Had people made or lost on individual paintings within his market? So I know there's a lot of trends in the art market I mean, we've already talked about some of those but what does happen when things fall in fall out of favour? Like do you have an example or two of something that's happened in that world that we could relate to listeners if you look at the top one, hundred artists by sales volume, it's very interesting since since two thousand or roughly the past twenty years, there's only been three artists in the top one hundred list that produce negative returns. which which really speaks to the value characteristics and art. So those three artists are Jeff koons Damien Hirst and Murakami, and there's different reasons for each of those artists producing negative returns but mostly the they've been living artists who've just been over hyped by by people who who sort of back them and in the prices you know the they've all had worked for tens of millions of dollars. In their their prices just haven't been sustainable over time but I think the thing that's fascinating about that is ninety seven out of the one hundred to produced positive returns. Do you ever foresee a market where a place where somebody like yourself as like that person is way overhypes I'm going to like essentially short sell their future earnings on that how does that work? I mean there's no options market. Today in the world I mean masterworks for the first time just launched a secondary market where people are now treating shares of paintings on our website But you know we're we're a long ways at this point from from having an options market. You know some people are like, well, what happens if we do enter a recession because obviously the stock market you know has been still crushing it in. The bull market is still all size pointing four where but the reality is you know there's a lot going on in the world in a lot of people are worried about some kind of looming recession. So do transactions ever dry up? Do they ever slowdown during recessions? The goes back to this concept of correlation in in correlation really just looks add a does a particular asset class behave or return. In the same way as and other asset class over a similar period of time. So this this question was actually unknown up until recently, and we collaborated with with Citi Group to do a report on correlation between art in other asset classes using our research teams data, and we published that report, which is, which is now available on our website at the end of last year in essentially what? Would it concludes is that art is correlated asset class I think the correlation between s and P for example was roughly point one four, one point would be would be a full correlation. So when you go back in history look at did our prices declined during the DOT COM bubble bursting they actually didn't actually increased in value. They had the highest correlation during the nine crisis which was about. Point four if I recall correctly, which means they declined forty percent as much as the broader market, and then during during Cova we you know he published his report at the end of the two thousand nineteen and we were hoping we were Reich's who basically said it was on correlated asset class, which then means that during Cova. Should not have should not have declined when the market's decline. What we saw is they've they've actually increased. So it does behave differently in again, the reason we think it behaves differently is it's just it's a global asset class traded the The ultra wealthy people of the world. And that just that just behaves differently than public equities for example. Now, definitely correct me if I'm getting any part of this process wrong. But say somebody does buy into a piece of art. So they have shares in that and they say, well, you know what something happened I I to actually by this house or I want to do this other thing. Are they able to actually redeem those shares before you as masterworks dot io actually sell that piece. So that's really where our secondary market comes in and and we put it. We've we've made a huge amount of effort to to try to try to help people get liquidity on before we ultimately sell the paintings. So if someone decides that they need to recognize their their gain, their money back or whatever. They can go into the secondary platform list, their shares a certain price in try to find try to find a buyer for those shares and we've seen really really good activity over the past I think four or five months since since we've launched the secondary markets. So that is that is a core focus for us as a business going going forward. So there's a lot of exciting things in the blue chip art market, and so if there's people listening right now who are saying, you know what I wanNA. Mind dip my toes and I'M GONNA go check masterworks Dot ione issue they have going on there. Do you have a recommendation for people that are just starting that? Don't have a lot of experience starts slow. You know learn about the individual offerings that we have learn about the artists play around with the secondary market and and I think over time. What we see is when people start out a masterworks, they start allocating more and more just because of the quality of the the investment opportunities and frankly Offerings trading four in the secondary markets. This guy you have shared a ton of information about blue bar I feel like I know so much more than when we started, but I'm also going to be going back and listen to this episode again to really clarify a few things fo show. But what do you want to make sure of everything that we talked about that fire nation really gets that they can walk away. From this episode with I think the thing that we want people understand is that at the end of the day, this is the largest asset class that has never been securitized, and there's there's a whole bunch of opportunity in today's world to make money from it. So I think learning about the classes is important for any any serious investor, the the analogy that like to us as if you think about the size of art. At one point seven, trillion dollars anything about the size of venture private equity three and a half trillion dollars there six thousand venture capital firms. There's literally nobody doing this in our and a half the size of a venture capital. So we we think masterworks is is positioned in a really interesting way to help investors gain some exposure to the asset class learn about Ed and over time make it make it a considerable. Part of their portfolio. So fire nation I really really think the this is nothing you need to at least be educated on be learning more about that's why our bought Scott on because I wanted to get educated and what get educated because this is an alternative an alternative investments that you know could be something that really rings your bell in that good way. Can me moving you towards that fire that we talked about financial? Independence retire early in Scott for people who want to learn more, where would you like them to go and any call to action you might have yeah. Just check out the the website at www dot masterworks that I. Oh, we publish research on the asset class in the website request access tell her membership team that you're from fire nation and will work with you to get an account set up as soon as. Soon as we can. That's awesome. So fire nation, you're the average of the five people you spend the most time with in hello you've been hanging out with S. L. J. L. D. Today. 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"Hello. Hey erwin. How are you today? Good morning, Dan. How are you today? Good morning. Good morning. It is a lovely day here in Morley town, should we break the bit? We should probably break the bit now break any bit. Whatever you like it's up to you your your show quite a morning here on a Tuesday role nine th it's beautiful day. It's mostly in the fifties. There's poop on the sidewalks and lots of IPO's going on Santa different. Lifts stock continues to tumble one hopes. Haven't checked. I left was the good one. They are the going. They're like pink Ober. But yeah. Yeah. It's near the city's worried the city's worry 'cause there's like what is it three IPO's their lift justed their IPO. I think Pinterest is doing. APO? And there's a third one that escapes me. But you know, basically, we don't need more instant millionaires in this town. Yeah. Already kinda sucks. Yeah. But, you know, this is this is this is this is Tuesday, you know, and it's the optimist day. Yes. Yeah. I'm trying to remember. There's there's two really good quotes from edges Elba edge MSN that right? Edges elba. Sure. Yes. Edris elba. There's a really good quotes from him in the movie Pacific rim, and I'm probably not gonna be able to find either one of them quickly. Let me try. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. So so here's what his name is stack or Pentecost. Have you seen Pacific room? I yeah. Yeah. I have to say about the the crew the giant kaija coming up. Yeah. Yeah. I've seen you didn't see the second one by the first one. No, that's okay. That's fine. But he has this great line today at the edge of our hope at the end of our time we have chosen not only to believe in ourselves. But any other today there is not a man or woman in here that she'll stand alone. Not today. Today, we faced the monsters that are at our door and bring the fight to them today. We are canceling the apocalypse. Yes. I remember that. Yeah. That's such a great line. He's another one that I can't find. But it's something along Liz might be out on this could be from a different movie. But there's a line where somebody says today, we're gonna act as if the world is going to go on isn't that a good isn't that a good thing to think of I like that? I like it that way. Yeah. Yeah. One of my favorite things. I read in this in this that anxiety book that I that I like. And I returned to what's called stopping the noise in your head, which is a very good book with lots of good strategies for dealing with anxiety, one of the ones, it's not off topic. But like once you've gotten really dug into his method of addressing anxiety directly. He has this great strategy calls act. As though have I talked about this actors though, you might but does not ring a bell for me. I mean, it's Tuesday and it's the optimistic day. So let's talk about actors though, really quickly, it's appropriate. It's a very Steph or Pentecost way to look at things. And the strategy of act is though is exactly what it sounds like. And he says so he does a lot of the guy who wrote this book his name escapes me right now, we can find it for show nuts. It's a real good book if you have anxiety, or it's a very good book most of his clients have he's dealing with CD. And in the in here before these are folks who like I can't ever get on a plane because if I get on a plane, I'll have a panic attack. If I have a panic attack, I'll have a heart attack. If I have a heart attack on the plane. Gonna be embarrassed and die and how we build those sorts of things up in our head or in the example of like, and I've used this strategy with things like travel where I get very anxious about traveling not because of the plane, but just because of the million ways, I can imagine everything going wrong. So it says and sound like anxiety fear for your life. It's more. There's so many things that could go wrong that would create suffering for all of us. Yes. Yeah. It's very I mean, obviously, it's on the news for anxiety and to a large extent CD where as I understand OCD a lot of it is a kind of self generated anxiety. And I think I mean, you think about think about something like PTSD and people with like, my late father who had genuine PTSD the man could not be around fireworks because of the Korean bride Ryan he had legit, according to Hoyle legitimate legitimate PJ bronchial legitimately Br. Onc you'll father. But you know, I I mean, I think I suspect that there can be minor forms of PTSD to if that can be such a thing. We're like you dread. The idea of something happening to you that was disruptive before. Right. And it kind of re cuts a lot of channels in your brain to be honest. Yeah. If there's something you dread. There's a reason you dread that. And you if you're like me, you dread that because you remember the feeling of how that felt when that thing happened. They knew that thing happened when you were a child, maybe specially, but whatever it is that like made as made some kind of hole in your life or made you feel broken and hopeless. You never wanna feel that feeling again, and you'll do everything in your power not to feel that feeling again. And he has a lot of good strategies in this book stopping the noise in your head for basically how to like kind of address your anxiety to talk to your anxiety to eventually arrive at a strategy where you say this is exactly what I want right now. This is what? They need right now. This another one of his great phrases this hard, but I can handle it. And then once you pass that level in the in the training, you get to something which is called actors though and act as though is where you go into a situation, and I'm gonna act as though everything's gonna be okay. It's you know, it's a kind of optimism maybe kind of baseless optimism if your whole life is based on executive and avoiding the thing that scares you. But like I say once you get to the graduate level of this. You learn act as though so if you're scared you think about going to the beach and having a nice day at the beach, and what do you think about you think about traffic, you think about parking you think about sunburn you think about sand in your pants? You think about all those kinds of things and his recommendation is to go into that situation and act as though it's going to be great or act as though it's going to be fine, which sounds like pollyanna like a made up optimism, and it might be. But I don't I don't feel like it is I feel like. I feel like act as though is a powerful strategy for doing a stack or Pentecost on your life. And to saying today, we're canceling the apocalypse is hard as this thing is we're going to do it. And I'm going to act as though we can succeed at this. Because if you act as though failure is waiting around every corner. All right. You're gonna have a bad day 'cause you're gonna spend your whole day anticipating the thing that you've decided you're now anxious about your brain decided you're anxious about an actors, though is a way to remind yourself that I'm going to act as though not only will I provide this. But I'm going to act as though this will turn out fine because or this will turn out great. Because if you decide you're going to act as though it will turn out great. It greatly changes, your attitude and your decision making and encourages you to say if this we're gonna turn out great. What would I do? Well, now, suddenly you have a much more positive Valence to whatever it is. You're about to do. Do you see the distinction? Yes. I think so. Well, it just it just means saying that like if you go in. To a project, for example. And you are to merely be a negative Nellie. Who looks at every way. It can go wrong. Will you're probably a project manager, congratulations. That's what I used to do. But it's also a way of saying like it isn't necessarily that we're going to shoot for the stars. But we're going to say if we reverse engineer success out of this. We see a series of positive steps that we can take not just mitigate risk. But to ensure that this is a great thing. So instead, you're gonna act as though your trip to the beach is going to be fine. It's just a trip to the beach. And if you act as though it's going to be fine. Now, you're gonna decide I'm gonna bring sunscreen. I'm gonna plan ahead and nobody's ever died from parking mostly you're you need to act as though parking will not kill you and focus on what you do to make it a great day. It's the optimistic day dance decker Pentecost, stack or Pentecost. That was good, right? There were eight minutes in and that was already really good at. But if you start with something, and you open with something that's that good the rest of the shows a letdown. Now, I'm an actor as it's gonna be great. Okay. There you go. Can UPS. What's the update on that? Oh, it's been over a week. Hold at UPS access point requested. Now, can you can you go to the UPS like wherever it is. And pick it up yourself. This is what I talked to my cut with mccown Nenta lady. I said listen, and it didn't go well mentioned in last week's episode from Tuesday second that I was struggling struggling with the communications of this. Saying yeah, really most struggles are struggles for communications money. Python is funny because language is difficult human relationships complicated. And in this case, I'm talking to a lady, and we're not we're not doing great with it. But I did finally get to the point where I said, hey, you know, do you have a field for this? Please don't send back the air pots. I want the airports now. Now when we record on April sixteenth, which is next Tuesday. Right. I hope to have some resolution for this. But as I sit here on April, ninth still, no resolution bring you're gonna break it up. You can break go break it. Yeah. Yeah. Breaking is Dan for me to break. The big. Yeah. What time again, you know, what it is? What jury duty Ono? How come you get called for jury duty? So often I heard on a podcast. I listen to wanna say sleigh culture gab fest. It might have been. Who was an confuse all the host. But one of the ladies said like she hasn't even been called for jury duty in eight years now in fairness the last time, I was called for jury duty. I think was two and a half years ago asked me how I remember how do you remember? 'cause I thought more recent election day, really they do jury on election day. Oh, they do all the days all the days. I narrowly got out of a attempted homicide. Beat the rap as they say. Yeah, don't hate. Don't hate the player hit the game. So Dan, and I are prerecording this episode. Okay. I'm breaking the bit. We're recording this on Tuesday. Second right. Here's the thing that why do I tell you? Why do I say it's the mystic day, Dan, because we're going to act as though the world will still exist on April ninth. Do you realize what a tremendous act of optimism it is to prerecord anything. It's a leap of faith. It's it's a kind of a cure guardian. Leap of faith. It's a way of saying. I'm gonna assume the world is still around. There will probably be some apple. You know, speculative videos that we're not aware of who knows what's going to have with those nuts in Washington. But Dan, you me buddy on this optimistic day. Yeah, we're going to act as though we're gonna cancel ethin- apocalypse. Cancel it out. Kills button it up. All right. Okay. And we're back. We get a slate of items to talk I got a couple boy, I had so many good titles for the episode. The other one primary hoodie horsing around baby thorn, semi circle of douchebag. Specks? Yeah. I don't know if you'll agree. I I picked baby Thorin I like baby thorn. Yeah. Yeah. Armitage. I don't want. I don't want. You know, what I don't wanna be dishonest with our listeners know, I think it's okay to prerecord. I think it's a way of telegraphing to our audience that we're going to act as though the world will go on. I'm gonna find that for notes. All right stopping the noise in your head and the author is named. Clicking. His name's are read Wilson. Are read also delicious, Dan, you know, we haven't done it a while. And as much as you're comfortable saying where people find show notes for episode four to one of your back work podcast. It's at five by five dot TV slash B is in brothers twos. In the number ws in walrus slash four to one. And that's that's where they live. That's where you can go to see all the stuff that we talk about right here. We forgotten the previous episode. You know, what we forgot about that? It was episode number four twenty and we didn't forgot the blade emblazoned. Yeah. For twenty blaze it, I mean, I think we're I think it's safe to assume that we're blazing it all the time. Anyway. Oh, yeah. We have found the carb. Yeah. Whatever that. Yeah. Try to edibles. Yes. Tell me about Ables edibles because it sounds like it sounds like it could be a really good thing. Have you never tried the edibles? I have to be very very careful with that substance. Right. Gestion and stuff. Yes. No, not even that used to be dead on us. I used to enjoy that substance in college and twice a year after college, I'm not big on that particular class of substance. But like as I told you before in our audience knows on two occasions. I have had an edible version of that substance passed out bright. Nope. You don't wanna wake up with your fiancee yelling in your face at three AM because you pass dot going to the bathroom like like really passed out Ono legit. I was legitimately. I went to I went to the bathroom bathroom very familiar with. We've lived in our home many years, and I couldn't find the walls. Found was hard. So going down. I got back up again late like jumble woman. You know what I'm saying? How many times captain marvel? It's like I keep getting up. I'm like Spiderman. And then I somehow one into the lounge John Syracuse calls a family room. And I went down like an old pair of pants honk down something something something time passes. Oh, my fiance is screaming in my face. I've I've cut my eyebrow on my God some point. Yeah. No. And this is why I have the question about the edibles because people tell me edibles are good because you can be extremely specific about your amount of dosage. Well, we have insect and hand anecdotal evidence. If you don't wanna talk about it, you can come happy to talk about it. But can't you get a pretty discrete noble amount of the substance was if you get one from a store like you have there in California if you reputable like a place. Yeah. And if you go and buy one there because that's that's where I've tried. It was in California. When when I guess it went Lee. Legal for people sometime in twenty minutes for a long time. And I think it's essentially deregulated at this point. But there's basically you could just walk as a pedestrian you can go into the store, and you can say I want to try and edible. And they hand you what looks like gummy candies that's made in a factory somewhere. And it's wrapped up. It's not it's not like the guy on the corner is like baking some brownies like, and it's not going to have insulation baking soda. Well. Yeah. I mean, whatever whatever people make on their own. It has I think it's almost impossible to get any kind of regular dosage from what I read about it. So they say if you're going to try this try with like, a a manufactured when you buy in a in a dispensary, and then you know, exactly how much you're getting and they say start with like a quarter or a half of it. And then wait like an hour. Our and see because apparently it's very different from when you smoke it. As far as how long it takes to go into from me super true for me. And I guess a lot of people will take some ten fifteen minutes later like oh feel Muffin and they eat another one student filling me thing. And now they've three of them. And then they announced trouble. So, but it went my. The same funny. And I don't know why. Because I just quit these three edibles in my there, you go in my experience. I think I had half of one. Gummy half of a gummy. And I don't remember. How much was in the gummy? It was maybe twenty twenty five milligrams. So I guess I had half of that. And about an hour later. I felt felt really good felt really like kind of calm and stuff. Calm and things things felt good. And just come a long way. Dan, used to be to know what you're getting you could be you could be getting some of the substance, and you just be under a table going. Oh, no. What have I done? What have I done a friend of mine was telling me that there's apparently here in Austin where it is is not legalized a friend was telling me that she had had some caramels that were just made by a person. And she said, she basically described I don't think she cut her eyebrow. But she was in a similar situation. She took it and like immediately like or as soon as it went into effect. It was overwhelming and she just had to just lay down and slept. Well ours. Yeah, I'd gone to see the. Reunion both times it was brownies prepared my boss. Yeah. And so I learned from the first time, and then the second time I thought it was good, and I wouldn't good. But the first time we've gone to see the reunion performance of kids in the hall, and yeah, I passed out in my seat man, right in the theater my eyebrow. Hey, listen kids. You know, drink your milk. You know what I'm saying? I go. Yeah. Come a long way baby baby. Maybe ornstein. Richard armitage. Yeah. I don't have any titles yet. Listen, you know, what as we get started here? Why don't you tell me about something that you like heck, yes, I'll tell you about lunar display Luda display plug magic. How do they do it? How do they do it? You take how thing and I don't even want to call it a dungle. I don't want to call it a USB stick. It's smaller net. It looks like a little jewel that plugs into the side of your MAC, and it is it turns your ipad into a wireless display for your MAC. And here's the thing that that I talked a little about this last time we talked about the lunar display, but I want to bring this up. I an upfront. You can I yes, it is. It is a display, but it's more than just a display you can use your fingers and do multi touch stuff you can use your apple pencil, and you are. Now, this is this is amazing. But you're working MAC OS ten on your ipad with your hand and your pencil and all that stuff, or it can just be a screen that just sits there. But this is the thing let's say that you're like, you know, what I have some stuff to do on my MAC, but I don't want to be in front of the MAC right now on is going to sling that window onto my second display, which just happens to be a Luna display powered ipad. I'm gonna grab the go. Walk in the living room sit down there. And no, it's not my ipad. That's in front of me technically anymore. It's now a display on my MAC, and I get to. Stuff. Yeah. You have the doc you have everything and he like a great when you're on your focal on one of the devices the menu shows up. Yes. If you're on the other devices grays out, here's where you you can make the ipad. Luna display powered ipad, your main display, and you've got your MAC with you on your head in another part of your house your office because it's all works over wifi. It's it's absolutely bunkers. Don't know how they do it. I'm not sure that it's real because feels like magic but hunting it's very haunting. It's like the ring girl but for computers, very upsetting that it works at all. And I would like to throw mine down a well because it scares me. But it's amazing. It's amazing. That does is amazing. It's wireless, and I don't know what kind of black magic goes into being able to manipulate your MAC with your fingers and your pencil from the device, but it is it is pretty fantastic. And I think the price is really right that that much. But like what you get here for this is pretty bananas. It really is you go to Luna disp-. Play L U N A. Luna display dot com and enter the promo code back to work and you'll get ten percent off your Luna display and they have different versions Merlin has the one. That's mini display port. I have the one that's USB. See they both worked perfectly go. Try this out. I think you're gonna love this thing. It seems impossible just works. So great. I love this thing. Luna display dot com. Back to work promo code, thanks for much to Luna for making this episode a possibility gang. Thanks lewin. Display dark magic. Very upsetting. I got a weird recommendation. Is this a made by wired who makes this? It's yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So why why it has this several series is on YouTube? They're so good. They're just so good. There's the one where a guy analyzes different actors accents. There's all these different greets series as they've got on wired. I watched one last night that was really really interesting to me. So as an show notes, and it's called forgery experts. Explain five ways to spot a fake, and it basically it's two guys one guy who's mostly sort of art and art history Centric, and the other guy who's very like history Centric and go through the five step, according to them five step process. How in this case they analyzed that the painting that they're looking at which purports to be Jackson Pollock original is actually not. And it's really fascinating that you not believe all the angles. They take on this before you get to the scienc- stuff. They've got stuff like looking looking just at the condition of the canvas like is it frayed at the edges in a way that's consistent with something from the mid fifties. All the way to looking at what purports to be a fax establishing the provenance of this. And how there's all these factual errors in the Provence documentation. Then you get further down deeper and deeper into the site. Science and they're doing stuff like testing the paint to see if that kind of paint even existed in the nineteen fifties fancying Kerry goal hadn't looking at stuff. Like how Jackson Pollock used to sometimes go outside and collect some dirt that he would throw into the spotter paintings are that's heart. Well, I mean, the you can't. The Amtrak expressionist and the color field and all those artists it's difficult to appreciate their work. Unless you see it in person that sounds dumb. But like the first time you see a color of color field painting a book, and you're like, I don't understand to pink campus. What's the big deal? Right. Like Rothko, or you know, especially Pollick. Pollock's famous paintings are sometimes very very large. And even before you get into the intellectual head up your butt stuff about how this is a painting about painting. It is pretty amazing. But so anyways, these dudes will go and look at the dirt that somebody used with this. No like that kind of the joke. I may has insulation. And like that would never it's basically drywall dust, and he never used drywall dust he was dirt from his front yard and alcohol to do his paintings. But didn't they also they get into the x Ray it, and they can go in and see they can do spectometry spectometry. But they do some kind of thing where they can like see like was there anything in the under painting. Were there any sketches? Oh, look. This had a painting on top of it before. This Pollock never did that. Anyway, if you like kind of scienc- liberal, artsy stuff checkout forgery experts explained five spot a fake. I thought it was really good. Also, the accent guys of mazing. You're seeing the excellent guy. Refresh my memory. So this is a guy whose name his name is Eric singer. And he is a linguist and dialogue coach, and he basically helps people with extremely specific regional accents. Okay. And because he's a linguist. He can articulate like what it is that Lyndon. Baines Johnson is doing with his tongue that makes him sound like beans. Some like in Texas. There's a certain kind of accent where when you're speaking. We're speaking with this kind of tight voice with your tongue in the back, your your tongue kind of curls up in the front, and it makes that kind of a listing super civilins. You know, what let me find there's one. So he's most famous here. I think for. Yeah. Movie accent expert breaks down thirty one actress playing real people put that one in notes. He's really good at like analyzing different accents, the one when we watched the other night. The my daughter found excruciating. And I found fascinating was all about people who played the president at different times. Whether it's a bomb or either the Roosevelt's w yeah. So anyway, that's a really good series. I love you too. There's so much on YouTube. It's stupid to say this. But there's so much on there. It's just like for the longest time. I felt like he was kind of easy to dismiss YouTube and say, well this like where you know, people posed me videos, and like it, but it really you can learn I've been watching and actually I should add this to the show notes at it. There's a guy out there. This called ripple training is the name of his channel and. He has a whole series on final cut. Pro the way he says it bothers me he'll say Funke appro. Fuck appro. Fuck appro. Well, that's now found Caprio punk appro. Sounds like a little boy found cocoa. But pro a really really great. And I mean, he walked she threw everything from like learning the user interface all the way till like super advanced features in it is a really really good when and there's another guy Larry Jordan, who is he is. He is kind of a God of Funke pro. And I'll put him in the show notes too. But like, you know, what they don't. They're not charging anything. You wanna donate to them support them you can? But you know, they're just they're putting this great content out there. And It's Hugh has so much. Great stuff. I hate I hate that. But it really does. Absolutely one hundred percent. I'm gonna okay, let's keep going to few more. I'm going to one that I just put in notes is I support via money support. Exactly to patriots one is for the podcast Chapo, trop house and the other one is for a series. I've mentioned here before called technology connections, which is just I don't know how to describe it. I've mentioned to you before I think you'd enjoy it. Because a lot of what he does it's not like unblock seeing a Samsung phone going back and looking at like, how consumer technology works, especially sort of vintage technology. He has a whole series on beta vs VHS. He explains the insane magic that goes into pudding. Subtitles closed captioning into a VHS tape. It's incredible. And blew my mind. The latest wanna just put into notes that. I like a lot is basically the importance in history of e ink. How like e Inc. What a revolution. That is basically explaining why a class how how classic LCD screen works. Why it's difficult to use you know, for reading and all the angles you've got to look at and like how they came up with e Inc. As a way to make paper looking thing to read on. And it didn't drain your battery. That's a real good one technology connection. And here's one I'm always this is from this is one I'm always trying to sell. Two friends. I always trying to sell this video to people. It's a twenty five minute video that I really really recommend fine. Twenty five minutes and watch this video because it's a real journey, and it's called remain seated, please the hoot and chief story and only tell you about this is about to really dorky friends who are obsessed with a ride that used to be at Epcot called horizons. And I remember that. Yeah. And what I'll tell you about. This is Hooton chief have figured out that there's there are unique things about their favorite ride horizons that allow them to a very very clever and tricky way jump out of their seat and get into the actual attraction and walk around. They find places to hide when a car is going by and all I wanna say is like just on that. Alone. This worth watching there is more to this video than that. But really encourage you to watch remain seated, please the who -in-chief story because it's it's a hell of a ride and find twenty five minutes tonight and watch it. It's really good. I don't want to spoil don't really happens. But it's really good. I agree with you though. I mean, I'm pretty picky about what I subscribed to in YouTube, and increasingly of course, I'm even more picky about what I'll click on because I don't wanna ruin my recommendations. Right. A few evenings of watching roller coaster videos will bring you theme park videos for many months. I don't even know what happens if I click on thing about Chem trails and lizard, Nazis. I've done that. And it's exactly what you think. It's exactly what you think you get a whole lot of videos on there about those kinds of things in the in on the right hand side. But yes, it's why is there? No way to block a channel. Like even. I'm not even just saying I understand. It's a hard problem to solve Nazis off the platform. I realized that's very difficult. But like there are some things that sneak in and I'm like I want I'm going to block this immediately on Twitter. I just see people in responses to other people's tweets preemptively block a block all day. Way. And I wish there was a way to say like don't ever show me anything from this channel again. And maybe for bonus points learned from that like if I blocked that like don't send me stuff like that their this their whole business. Yeah. So goddamn reason d'etre, you know, but it is kind of interesting to think of how well it works. Even when we don't want it to work. Well, because if I'm if I'm teaching myself origami, and I look at a couple origami videos now, I'm gonna see all kinds of really good origami videos. That's which is great. That's what I want. I want to do that. But it shouldn't. I really would love the idea to kind of say, you know, I just want to watch this one video this one time it doesn't mean I'm really interested in it from now on forever. Oh, I totally agree. I mean, there's things where I'm very glad it has noticed my taste as I'm looking at this right now under recommendations, it's recommending stuff from the amazing fan art world of my brother. My brother in me. But there's a lot of really funny bits, Anna Matic's and various animations people have made have been bam, which my favorite podcasts. And that's great. They got that. They got stuff with Bill Hader. They know that. I love Bill Hader. Oh, yes. They're giving me Bill hater stuff. But here's one this goes across the Google family of products. I don't know exactly how this happened. Exactly. But at some point the Google family of products got it in their head that I'm very interested in the film Buhine rhapsody. Okay. Here's the thing. Queen is unimpeachably like one of my favorite bands ever. I still listen to Queen lot. There's this one. Best of that. My whole family has been listening to for years and years and years, I love Queen. I like Rummy Malik. I have and had and will continue to have absolutely zero interest in the movie bohemian rhapsody for a number of reasons things that I've heard I'm not a big fan of bio pics and their bits. But especially like, I I I really actively against you ever get that you get being your bonnet. And you just don't wanna hear anymore about totally. So I mean here bohemian rhapsody is bad editing breakdown shows up because it things I'm interested this movie. Google news like to this day keeps pushing me bohemian rhapsody the movie stuff even though every time. I click on the three three three dot thing is to say show me your stories like this. But it just keeps bringing them. So you're right. It's it's beyond mixed blessing on the one hand it's great to like when you're winding down at night. And you don't wanna like watch a whole episode of Hannah, or whatever you look just gonna watch YouTube videos. You know, I. No, I just great. I think there's something to be said for Google in general and YouTube for the kinds of algorithms that they have figuring out what you like. And what you want to watch. And what you want to what you want to search for? And I notice that a lot of that is missing in from some of apple stuff. Like, here's an example. You know, we've talked about my bizarre habit of using apple news to read news, sometimes on my iphone, and there's a little thing where if you swiped to the right? You can say that you don't like story. And if you swipe to the left, you can say that you really liked the story. Okay. And I guess at some point when I was starting using the news app. It must have asked me like pick some topics you like pick some channels, you're interested in or somehow I have these channels that have content on here, and I've never bothered to go back in and customize that because I wanted to see if me putting down that. I hated this. Story did anything so somehow buzz feed is one of the sources that I get stuff from. And I generally speaking dislike all of buzzfeed's articles. No matter what speed news on. I mean, it's unfortunately share a name because BuzzFeed news can be very good. Yes. But not be listed. Yes. Yes. And so you're not going to believe what this will in to- tells us about Brexit that and I'm looking to see if there's one in there now, but what I've found is it nothing seems to happen. When you tell them that you don't like the story. So here's a new story, puppy rescued after carried off by Al dropped on golf course. So this is not interesting to me. So I'm going to swipe right dislike story, but that doesn't seem to have any effect. It's almost like they're just like, oh, you didn't like that one. Okay. It's not like they're. Well, we won't show you anymore like that. It's more just like, oh, you didn't like it. Yeah. It's too bad. You like. That was a consumer. It's incredibly complicated. We've talked before about this phenomenon on Amazon. Well, there's there's phenomenon about this all over the place. There are the people who can't continue to believe that the apple app store is a place where you leave reviews for restaurants for the yelp yelp. People who think that there's that? There's the people on Amazon who give classic albums one star because they don't like the fact that it's basically a repackaging of something they already own see much people who are giving negative reviews about the beach boys album pet sounds because they don't like the way it's being repackaged. That's extremely confusing from from a programmatic standpoint with us. And these articles though, I think is extremely complicated. Because okay, what am I gonna do? I'm gonna say I'm interested in things about the MAC will know, I'm interested in my MAC. I'm not that interested in your MAC. I'm not interested in you know, you just the generic MAC. I'm not interesting. I'm not interested in boxes boxing. I am not interested in speculation. I'm not interested in any of the various shovel where sites that will absolutely show up. If I say that I'm interested in max, I'm just I'm I mean like, I don't need sixteen stories. About the latest developer beta coming out that doesn't even say what's different about it. Like do. You know, what I'm saying this in that aspect in even that one's fairly straightforward. Let's let's even get more complicated stuff. You read an article that's hot take about a topic that you feel very strongly about let's say you're really into x. And you read a hot take about X that you disagree with. Well, if you say, you don't like that story, are you saying now, you don't like that topic anymore? You don't like that that outlet or media source anymore? How how do you suddenly get to the fact that no I'm just not into what Jean Munster's gonna think thinks is going to happen with TV's and computers. Right. And I think there's lots of stuff like that. This is even before we get to the idea of hate watching. Right. Just watching stuff because it's a train wreck. The no, I I agree. It's a problem. And it's it's it's the smarter. It gets the more. You realize how smart it ain't in some ways? But it's there I feel like there should there's that were. There should be a way to like. Ooh. I don't know just say like I want my own equivalent of like a child safety feature like I don't want. Don't take me down that route just because I watched a few Russian dashboard videos doesn't mean I wanna watch snuff movies. Like don't show me sixteen horrific motorcycle accidents. Because if you let that thing just keep feeding you stuff as everybody knows at this point, it gets more and more radical it gets more and more extreme like you start out with the thing about how to make like vegan burgers and end up with like some kind of pita thing, and it's like at best. So I don't know what the answer is. But there are axes aspects. Like, why is a human being do we understand so easily that we were just having conversation that one time about that one thing? And that doesn't mean that's the only thing I want to talk about from now on you know, what I mean like as human beings, we get that. But but hey, I doesn't seem to get that at all and the humans humans are wired. So well for certain kinds of recognition in context recognition, right? If you're very good friends with a pair of quote, unquote, identical twins. You don't have that much trouble knowing which ones Tom in which ones Todd like you get that. Even if that's just the difference in haircut or like shirt preference. Right. But like you ever try and draw face and make it a little person. Like, it's hard. It's difficult to do photo. Recognition has come a long way with that stuff. But we we have an ability to pick up context clues thinking about how many website's Gruber used to talk about this. How often you don't wanna linked to a thing. That's got. That's like some kind of really crummy running on some crummy CMS, and it has Typos than it. Like, even if you love that topic. You're not gonna linked to it. Because you don't wanna be in a bad neighborhood, you know, tons of ads and all that kind of stuff and pop ups, and like it, isn't that you hate MAC reporting. It's just there's like half a dozen reasons you're not gonna linked to that thing. Or you're going to say, I don't want more from this thing. So I don't know. It's a good question. I don't know what it is about humans. I mean, there's. The idea that phenomenon called Parodi Leah that thing where we tend to see faces and things right? Parodi Leah's that what that's called? Yeah. I don't know if that's promote para pro Doley ah, I'm going to just try to mash on the keys. Perry. Doley ah is a psychological phenomenon that causes people to see patterns in random stimulus this often leads to people signing human characteristics objects. But like if you search for this on Google images. Find so many amazing things of things that look like faces why because we are wired to recognize something that looks like a face, right? Even if in this case, it's like a tub with a drainage hole it looks. It looks exactly like in this case too is in a mouth like those telescopes that you put a quarter in. Yeah. That looks like out. Yeah. What does it look it out? I don't know. I'm I'm just good at faces. And now, here's a question. You know, you look at a car and usually the front or the back of the car or both looks like a face, and you can kind of said well that one looks like Jack Nicholson there that one, you know, or whatever. Yes. Like one hundred percent, this is that. And I hope we have some motive designers in our audience who are listening who could come back and tell us. Is that intentional not saying to make it look like Jack Nicholson, but I mean is it intentional to kind of make your vehicle have a face. You know, because because if you don't if you don't do it, right? Like people used to say about the Etzel it looks like somebody the grill of an Edsel looks like somebody sucking lemon right Brang? Don't take that into account. You could have unintended consequences. Yeah. I mean, you have to know. And you really you're talking about something that's got two things left and right, which we're going to automatically think like is. And then you've got a kind of Margolin across which is going to be the mouth like it's inevitable that we will see it that way. So are they taking that inconsideration? Are they making a face in that way to a car kind of face? He'd wanna see or avoid making it live your face. Like if you've got like a big old truck, you kind of went out to be logged I'm a big old drunk. You know, and then if you've got like a like a like a Ferrari, you want to be like like some sexy fast, you know, like different kind of face than the Druk. You know, like you need that you have to have that we're driving. We're driving driving into town. The other day, we got up the bridge and we're coming into town. And I saw. Car, and I instantly a car slightly in front of us in the next lane. I thought oh my God that car looks like black Manta. Are should be called Manta, and we pulled up a little further, and I saw two brand of costly brand of car called McLaren. Which I guess is a famous fancy car. But could think was oh my God. The back of that thing. Look so much like black Manta and the front of it looks like a smiling super villain in a really cool way. A helmeted super guy. It really does. It really does. Yeah. It's awesome. Like, the those tail light or the. Yeah. The lights are so cool. And it's not just that a looks awesome. It's that it really does make you think of a face. And here's this car that you're driving behind or parked behind or whatever. And like it's looking at. You is your is one hundred percent. I dunno black Manta blind. Perry. Dole Lee Perry on into show notes and people can find that. And then if you get the spelling from that from show. No, it's just search for that on Google and Google images. That's pretty amazing. Dan, if you'd allow it we have a couple of good letters from listeners. I'd love to read. But that okay with you. I'd love to do that. Don't you won't you pop off? And tell me about something you like I'll tell you about MAC Weldon. Jeez. These are killing me, you know, I gave them a basically a free spot on the last episode because of something nice that happen all tell the story briefly gin is at my boy somehow on the playground at school stepped in paint. I don't know how you do that as an eleven year old boy, but he stepped in paint, and it I guess it splashed up and got on his old hoodie that he's had for a while. And so I said, listen, I've got a bunch of hoodies you can pick one in borrow it. And I gave him the choice all the hoodies, including the eagles NFL champions Hodie, and he picked the MacWorld and over the other ones because he I think he was impressed. He commented about how the zipper had a little rubberized poll on it. It was easier. He loved it. The pockets of the hoodie had zippers on them. He's like now when I put something in my pocket won't come out. Exactly. Right. That's what the zipper will do for you. But this is this is he also noted that the the the the polls on the hoodie. They what do you? Call those things the the pulse. Got a real long cord on cord Cohen glit-. They're really nicer just all these little details are paid attention to. And that's that's what MacWorld is all about things that are designed really well that are very functional. Also, look really good and a really really comfortable. They've done so much to this. End like they made the engineer their own fabric. You know, they made sure design process was meticulous. You know that the fit of these things are going to be the same every time. So good. So if you figure that you're a medium shirt every time you get a medium shirt, it's gonna fit exactly the same way. And that you say like, well, of course, but it doesn't go to a lot of stores you buy one one week or you buy too off the same rack, and they fit different. That's not going to be like that with Matt. Oh, no, no, nothing like that. I have a tip and approach hip. I mean, this is not going to be the least expensive short you've ever bought in my case. But I'm dick did I've been dictated to these. I usually get the Pima long-sleeved t-shirts, which is a terrific like, it's pretty economical. And it works great. And but the thing is I have so many of these I've had them long enough that now like I could see when I cook bacon in that short. Like, I need to replace it. I discovered another one. This is not. This is it's not cheap. But they make something called the tech. Kashmir. Okay. Tackle the Kashmir. It's available in navy Heather and charcoal. Heather, and this is the modal. It's got Merino wool. Kashmir spandex. And this is one of the best shirts I've ever owned in my life, the tech. Kashmir. The Kashmir he I wanted the cashmere. I got I got an order on the way. I literally during this episode. I pasted my code into deliveries because I've got a third one of these on the way. Oh nice. Really, really nice. I hand wash mine I don't even need to. I just don't want some ding Ling out there, you know, shrink in my clothes if it was the dry cleaner. I worry I worry about my tech. Kashmir. I just wanted to Kashmir and boys this thing ever dynamite. All their stuff is so well made so aglet, the aglet it's called, Dan, the aglet aglet. The aglet is a small sheath. Okay. Is a small Hanlon. Helen, keep key. Keeping terry. Aglet is a small sheath often made of plastic or metal sounds good used on each end of shoelace accord, or a drawstring aglet. They of nice aglet on a nice string. Do you think? The person who invented the aglet is a billionaire now because the I would have patented that thing on day one. Oh, yeah. I have to imagine. I have comes from the old French, you wonder who used to be wax, put wax is there like an aglet like. Fans life fan site or like a. Evaluate them. And remember shoelace site. That's still around is. Remember that is that the one that teaches you how to tie then lace different ways. It's like the preeminent shoelace sight of all the ways it's very if you're into shoelaces. You gotta go to the shoelace site. I'll find it for notes but anyway, finish your bit. I just wanted to say these things are great. I I stand by these. It's this is actually thing that I spend in unconscionable amount of my own money on because I love I really really loved their stuff. Mac MAC, MAC K Weldon WALDO N MacWorld dot com. The promo code to use is back to work when you're checking out and you'll save twenty percent off your first order to big deal. And it's worth it and go, and you know, I think they started with done underpants gnomes, and they got the socks I love the the no show socks. I just want to make mention of the no show socks. They're they're awesome. Because you don't wanna look like you're wearing the little. The half ankle socks like that. When you walking around in a pair shorts when it's a hundred degrees out. So keep those in mind when you go to machelandon dot com. Use the back to our promo code. Thanks very much to MAC Wellman for making the show possible. Thanks, mike. Walden. Boy, look at that Ian shoelace site that. Old school. Yeah. It is that that's homemade. I think check the code. Okay option. Command. You it is it the lacing does really matter because one of the one of the things I think people do s two specially noticeable now with the Paris Nico is. But with a pair of dress shoes that you you kind of want the laces because there's only going to be like maybe three or four holes for the laces in a dress shoe that you want them to have that. Nice. Horizontal you don't want them criss crossing over each other like a kid on the schoolyard, you want them just a straight line. And so not long ago, I had to take I think I tell we talked about this in the show I had to take my little girl to a daddy daughter dance and found that my very sweet. And I found that my dress shoes. Had no laces in the I don't know what happened to the laces. But that gives you an idea the last time that a war then because here in taxes, we when we dress up for things we wear dressy cowboy boots. We don't wear we don't always wear dress. She's cool. That's kind of cool, but I because everyone had to wear a suit. And yes, I could have worn cowboy dress cowboy boots with the suit. But I don't have a pair of black dress cowboy boots. So I only needed black shoes to go with the suit because it was a gray and the Brown. Look right long story short didn't have laces. So I had to go by the laces than when I got in. I'm like, oh, I don't remember how to tie this. I went to the Ian shoelace site. No kidding. Teach. You how to tie in such a way that you get a very nice straight lines going across and and it looks very nice I endorse this site. That's a guy that knows how to pick a lane. You know what I'm saying? Wow. Pays their sorry? Just wrote just real quick. I'm not gonna read all of these. But somebody on staff of Ian is very excited about HTML meditate. Yeah. So this is the keywords tags. I'm not gonna read just read a few the yes. Would you agree? There's a lot has okay shoes. Lace slices. Not not shoelace. Shoelace the shoelace the space shoelaces, shoe lacing shoelace knot shoelace nuts. Taizhou tie shoes. Tile as by tie. Not tie nuts. Tie shoelace. Tie shoelaces tie shoelace knot shoelace, knots time, I shoot Thomas shoes time release time release time shoelace time. My shoelaces. That's a bout in eight of the shoelaces, you get in further slipping shoelace, slipping shoelaces, slipping shoelace knot slipping shoelace knot. Crooked shoelace crooked shoelace, it's quick shoelace bow crooked shoelace Bose. Professor shoelace. Say that one in their very less one as passer shoelace. So now, if I searched please my father professors lays, the first there is a professor shoelace YouTube channel, and that's first result for me. And then the second is in shoelace site. Well, there you go system works professor shoelace on YouTube real twenty thousand subscribers nice. And you think it's in might be the titular, Ian might be. There's a lot of I'll put this show notes too. Because this is this is useful. Yes, useful information. Should we answer? I got a couple of things from listeners. I haven't I haven't shared this with you. So you'd be winging it, okay? Yeah. Is that? Okay. Yeah. I made a new tag for these. Let's see these are. Okay. Let's try one. This is from listener Timothy. There's a class of problems, which I find myself thinking about often should I manage some information in the physical world or the digital two quick examples at home to write the upcoming function on the family calendar, hang on the back of the kitchen door. Do I enter it into our shared? I cloud calendar where we all have access at work. Our team runs eggshell development methodology, and we track work using tasks on a test board. Currently do this on a big physical board in the office. Also recapture into a digital tool that sounds like some duplicate work. He goes on. There are some pros and cons. Sometimes the tangible is nice if you double capture was where which is the source of truth. If you don't see that in one place, as it mean, it doesn't exist or does it exist in their other. Anyway, this is our friend listener Tim from South Africa. So thank you, Tim. I don't know, Dan, you wanna pine it all on window digital window physical. I mean, I have I have thought about this to, you know, do you wanna go first I go, I y the way I'm not John Syracuse. I don't have to go last show him, right? Which of course because he's site. I don't do that SpongeBob. I think you know, I've gone back and forth between trying to do stuff digitally in trying to do stuff. And there's there's that what's the name of the method where you've got all the posted notes up on the thing. And when you move them, you move them to one column, and they moved to another column, and you got post notes up on everything that's not that's not Cam ban. But something where like the physicality of the notes provides you it's like. Implicit meta data, according to where the posted notice. Yeah. Something like that. I'm not a fan of that kind of thing. All tell you what as as a as a general rule, if if you're in the same physical location as the other people that you're working with having some kind of physical thing that you use can be very useful. Because it brings you all together into the same space, it encourages sharing ideas encourages brainstorming it encourages you to come up with things together when you're looking at the other person and talking to them face to face, and you can like run up to the board and draw. The thing there remove the posted or whatever it is that you're doing. And then of course, if you're remote, you don't really have that. And that's where I think the digital tools really really shine as when you're working with remote people or you're working with people who aren't there can't be there. But I when you mentioned duplication of stuff that to me is the worst that is madness if you get that wrong. Yeah. And and they're having multiple copies of draft of something without any kind of like workflow what if multiple? People you've got some kind of crazy merge. Clash, you know, it's very satisfying to have stuff up on a whiteboard and be able to go up and put a big check in the box next to it or draw a line through when it's done or whatever, especially if that's something that's like up at the front of the office, and everyone can see it. And like you just fixed that bug that. No one's mailed a fake. So you can go up there and draw the red line through the thing. It's like that satisfying. You know, selling real estate, you know, on the ball like put me on the board. It's like the leads. But if you have I think, it was panic that had these really cool status board things that they were doing I miss it. So they had this up in their office. And like shows like Jason and stuff week out for wreck this we could pull down from Lipson. We're able to come up with something. I think Jason. But like, basically a little pull down our stats into a chart, and like I miss that up so much it's so they were using like a giant like HDTV in the off. Office for like bug tracking. Yes status was great. Yeah. In that case. Yeah. To your point though. That's that is a digital a digital way of doing stuff people used to do kind of physically and that works according to like, you know, how your team works. That makes a lot of sense. I don't know. I think if you're, you know, for me, I try to avoid and this is this is one of the topics that we had listed that we might talk about. But the less that I have to use a computer for the less. I wanna use it for if I can do it with paper and pencil and a notebook. I'll do that. I if you if it needs to be on the computer, I'll do that. But we spent enough time in front of screens and in front of computers, and I don't really want really want to do that. If I don't have to do that. That's fine. Just that's a personal preference. But you know, if you and I don't want to jump ahead to the thing. But if you think of your computer as a hammer or a sewing machine or some kind of device that's a tool that does a certain job. Then then, you know, I'm not trying to come up with things to do on my computer. I'm trying to say what do I need it for? You know, I'm not just gonna I'm not just going to sit in my truck right now. You know, I'm going to sit in the truck. I'm going somewhere. I'm not just don't just hang out on the lawn more, right? What he knew. And I'm just you know, sitting on the riding lawnmower why it's raining out. I don't know just in case. I think we should probably say that big topic. That's good enough. One to to save for another up. Hang out on the lawn. More. I think that's very sage. I, you know, I think a lot of it comes down to culture in preference. So like, I mean, the long version of this is yeah, you should do. Well, how can I put this? I don't know which version this is, but I would say do do what works for you in general. I will give you a very old big pattern at least for me. And how I like to roll. I remember writing about this two day O'Brien east of an I used to have a column in make magazine when it first started, I think it was called life hacks. And I remember one time I had had a piece is my month to write it. And it was about, you know, the the call at like, the paperless office is the paperless office a thing. And I remember I not going to quote this person correctly because I don't remember who said this it might have been Malcolm cloud. Well turns out, but, but but what this person said that I think is really sensible. Is is there such a thing as a paperless office? Well, maybe kind of sort of. I mean, you're still gonna have paper you deal with? And I think that extinction. This person made I remember quoting was it's not that we're using less paper. It's that were keeping less paper. Which is such a good distinction. Like, it's one thing to use paper. And it's another thing to keep paper. Right. So Bush think on that for a minute. So is it bad to use paper? Absolutely. Not do you want paper to be the storage facility for everything will maybe not like you might want copy photos. My daughter was looking at one of my old yearbooks this morning while we're listening. John mullany. Yes. That your book I could scan that whole thing. But it's kind of nice to hold it in your hand. There's a lot of books that I'd rather read in a physical format as many an order of magnitude more that I prefer read on my kindle from own reasons. But if I had to come down to I I would say the the big pattern here. Here is I find physical stuff including paper to be. For me. Absolutely. The best way to think out loud to brainstorm to find patterns, well, that's index cards. Whether that's post it notes for me. I this that is stuff that I love and use examples in a second. I use that to get to a point where I want or need to do something physically with it. So jotting down draft of something in a notebook or a piece of paper. I think that makes a ton of sense certain point, you're going to wanna type that up and be able to prove it and polish it and move things around. Yes, you can move things around by cutting up on a piece of paper. But everybody has a certain inflection point in whatever their process is where it does make more sense to go digital with it now calendars special because I think calendars really do make the most sense digitally for me we have of calendar. My wife runs in the kitchen. But I think that's mostly for her. My daughter to sorta like jog their memory. You know, this is spring break. This is when this -plication is do this is when best best ball practices. But I've I've. Got all of that in the family calendar myself because the calendar runs my life. But here's an example. There are times in my life. Fairly often where I decided I want to get into meal planning a little bit more. And there's a thing that I do that's been incredibly effective for me. It's so drop dead dumb. But it works. Great. So here's what I do. I wanna think about meal planning now, I could do this in a mind mapping app on any of my devices. I could do this with a website. But you know, what I do. I get a big fat stack of post it notes and identify then. And here's what I do. I write down the names of all the proteins that my family likes to eat each one on a separate posted. Now, ha, and I put those up on the cabinet under another post it note that says proteins, then I have a post it note that says vegetables, and I write down all the vegetables that everybody in the family likes. And then I have another column that's basically the starches or what have you that my family likes? You can see where I'm going with this. Now, I find that kind of brainstorming while irreplaceable. I mean, if you are you like anything with creative? Process if you allow your brain unclench for a second, you're not going to believe how many ideas fall out, and guess what? Now, you're playing a game with yourself. Now the game you're playing is what are all the proteins and exhaustive list? And if you keep pushing yourself more proteins more, dumb example, but go with me how many different well. Geez. We haven't pork chops in the longtime. Everybody looks pork chops fried tofu big fan kielbasa. Of course, we like various different kinds of stakes. They they all go on their own thing. 21-minute chicken on the list. Teriyaki chicken, the mom makes on the list. And guess what? Pretty soon I've got like eleven different kinds of proteins over here. I haven't even gone to the vegetables yet. But when I'm doing that, you know that to me totally makes sense because then I could if I wanted to start to groupings, and I say it's time for thing. We have low business of my daughter said when she was three we have red state night. We'll tell red stick night. So we're going to have one two and three number one. We're gonna have a New York strips number two we're gonna have green beans and number three. We're going to have while rice with that. That's a classic dad meal. I make that a lot and guess what those three and you put them in this area. And now you've plan to meal do that with all the things 'cause meal planning needs to be fairly specific. If you say something something beef that's not meal planning because meal planning requires going to the store. Now, you have a list of things to get all of that started with post it notes and a marker. So in that case for me, I think you can't beat something like that. But as with writing as with calendar events, and as with bug tracking as with all of those things in general, your brain, and your body should be listening for a point where it makes sense to go digital with it. So for me, that means a lot of that stuff is some people that goes into trello, some people that goes into text file, whatever that is. But you know, you know, and. There may be a time when you need to go back to the physical world index cards are a great tool for thinking out loud. I was just thinking about the hipster PD the other day. Yeah. I mean, it's I still have like version of that. I mean, I always carry it was kind of a joke, but it's not a joke. It wasn't really a joke. The name was a joke. The concept was not love a con. Because once you know, that you always have something to write things down on and something to write things down with a week of that can really get your mind. Right. A week of that means like if you have to tell somebody about a comic, a TV show, whatever when you're out in about you had on that card, and you're good to go. So I mean, I don't think there's I think there's one answer to that. But there is a big pattern, which is like functional standpoint he could do a little bit of GT here. Like in order to get a thing done. Let's reverse engineer what needs to get done. And and to get to the ultimate step. There will probably be some digital involved. If you're doing a project, especially with other people, you don't wanna have to rely on them coming to your desk for a new car to get it accomplished that might live better in a bug tracker or trello say, right, but I don't think there's any disgrace at all. From starting. You know, there's all kinds of methodologies for running meetings. Where you try to encourage the people who tend not to talk at meetings to talk more, and you might say everybody needs to post five post, it notes up here like or or whatever. And that's that's that's a slightly easier ramp in and then like, I say you put him in little piles, and you make patterns this is huge information architecture when you're doing something like a site inventory with client. You're going through tell us all about the areas of your site that you have tell us about the areas that you want, and you've sort of informally find patterns, you can do this with focus groups, you can do this with anything. But now you with a post it note brilliant, little piece of paper, you now have a way to make ad hoc piles that help you identify patterns that you did know exist. It you start with a small, and then you reverse engineer the big so big fan. Big fan. Very nice. Yeah. Difference between digital and real real world digital in real world, where we're going longer than I thought we could what's why don't we shall we? Save us. Let's keep a letter in the in the whole keep one in the whole because it's also it's from listener, Ian, probably shoelace guy. Yeah. The eat. That's Cowan calendar usage. Shoelace specializes cheap shoelace free shoelace. But, but it's important to me that you told me about one more thing that you like I'll tell you about squarespace squarespace. You know, you know, about squarespace, and it's one of those things that it's always there when you need it. The next time that you have an idea for a project or you just want to make a website for something that you're working on. Maybe you haven't event coming up, and you want to help, you know, plan it, and you want to invite people to your wedding you wanna post pictures of gallery, your photographer, maybe how musician and you wanna place for your band, and we wanna place to upload the music. Maybe wanna sell stuff. I know so many people my my one of my friends, she just launched her own like like art. T-shirt art print website. And of course, it's on squarespace. And I was looking at it. And I was looking at the computer before I left work. And then when I got home at to finish looking at it. And so I pulled it up on the phone. And of course, it looks amazing. And that's one of the things. That's course, squarespace gives you as it gives you this beautiful web site that you can completely customize in tweak and make your own without knowing any age T Miller CSS, and then it's just going to work everywhere. It's gonna look great on your computer, and your device and your Android device. It just looks good. And it's it does everything. Right. And and that's what squarespace is all about is just making easy for you. Helping you save time and making it so that you can do it yourself, and helping you stand out from the other people who are also building their own websites because you want your own site to look different whether you're arrested many like, but this is mine, he knows his mind. 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I know how to make a website, but we don't need to make a website anymore. We have somebody else to make the website for us and that squarespace. So even if you are a total stutter stud at at whatever your preferences. Just trust me. It's ways to do this where space, and if you have friends and family that wanna a website, but they don't wanna have to learn all the stuff and updated. They wanna look great on every device or dingus. You gotta get him on the squarespace get out of the webmaster business. Yes. That's the second part of the creed. Yeah. It's like being a member of a club. That would have used them. Use your own member. Are thanks the squarespace for supporting five by five and back to work. Thank you squarespace little bit old school there. You like that love it turning out to be a beautiful optimistic day here on Tuesday, April ninth Taiwan. 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Finding flavors using AI: McCormick partners with IBM Research

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Finding flavors using AI: McCormick partners with IBM Research

"Welcome to text the nation's joining us is Dr Richard Goodwin. Principal researcher and manager of computational creativity. Research group at IBM research, quite a title. Thank you for joining us, Dr Goodwin. Thank you for having me, and you are doing some really interesting work having doing some really interesting work into using artificial intelligence comes to flavor and food product development, and you've had a well known name as a partner. Give us the overview sure, it'd be happy to so our group has always been looking into whether or not computers can help be people. Be more creative and creativity is kind of like, beauty and intelligence people think they know it when they see it, but it's very hard to define. And so we decided to look into the area of food because people are familiar with being creative in their own kitchens and trying new dishes, whereas they're not very familiar with being creative as in like a Jackson Pollock or a Picasso. And so we using this as a vehicle to explore creativity and food, and we've had the the great pleasure and opportunity to work with McCormick and their product developers and flavors and using all the data. They have to try to get a computer that can help there. They're product designers and flavors. Be more creative. Well, tell us how how this came about the they approached you to see what could be done with computers and trying to come up with some new flavors. Yeah. It was kind of a mutual thing. So we were we were doing work in this area. And one of my former colleagues, I was actually interviewed for a radio program and someone McCormick hurt it. And then followed up called us, and that's kind of how the partnership began. And they have a lot of expertise in in food, and, you know, creating new food products and stuff and our expertise is obviously more on the computer science side and the machine learning side. So we thought it was a, you know, sort of marriage made in heaven where we could apply, you know, their expertise our expertise in a way, you know, to help, you know, create more innovative products that people will like, and that are, you know, better for them. And so the results of this partnership are coming to market pretty soon. Right. Yeah. They should be in the next couple of months. There's. There's three products in particular for the new one line of products that McCormack caz. They're ones shan't, sheep pan and one Skillet pan. Beal's one's a bourbon, pork, when's Tuscan chicken and another New Orleans style sausage in vegetables. And these are just the first of what we believe will be a a a whole set of products that come out they they use a to assist the product developers in creating new flavors. So eventually, we would see this being used by all of this the five hundred people at McCormick that work in their, you know, development areas to help them create better products. And you know, it's like any other tool. The better the tool you have to work with you know, hopefully, the better the results that come out. Tell us how this works from the on the view from that from that perspective. I don't think computers can taste can they know they can't. And that's actually one reason why we think this is partnership between the computer and the person so to train a practice bell per flavors. They I will say getting undergraduate degree and food science or nutrition or chemistry, and then they'll apprentice to one of the masters, and they'll learn for ten years, and they'll observe what the masters do. And learn sort of tricks of the trade so to speak what the computer does actually quite similar. So as people are working nowadays to create, you know, flavor formulas and things they get recorded in computers and over the years McCormick has recorded hundreds of thousands of, you know, formulas for various products along with sensory results, which are you know, how do in taste tests, and and consumer tests and so on n eve. And how well they do in the market. And so the computer, you know, takes all this data the information about the formulas and the rummage aerials in the sensory results and learn the patterns of things that that work. Well, combinations of ingredients that pair well together functional substitutes like I can substitute. You know, starch for flower in a a gravy, and they'll still get thick gravy and other things and then it uses these to generate new suggestions, no like a person it is learning from the masters. Unlike a person can actually look at hundreds of thousands of examples, but as you mentioned like a person it also can't actually taste or smell the results. But we think that it's ability to actually look over so much data. And, you know, learn the interesting patterns is kind of an advantage. We can bring to the product developers to give them sort of a a leg up on creating better products. And when you when you say and look at so much data. Are you talking about different seasonings and spices from geographic regions? Typically, I I suppose a chef or cook. In in say Italy uses a certain group, and doesn't know about spices from a different region of the globe. Yeah. That's true. But but even locally that happen. So I like McCormick will have maybe three four thousand different ingredients that that can be used. And and sometimes those ingredients are just different versions of garlic. You know, they have maybe four hundred different kinds of garlic where you know, flake garlic powder, garlic chunk, garlic fresh, garlic Asian garlic's. They have North American garlic's. They have you know, garlic's with different grain sizes. And so it's hard for a person to actually know say three thousand different ingredients in detail. Really? Well, they probably have you know, a few hundred of their Goto ingredients. And they've only had some experience in the things they've been involved in. And so what the system can do is look over like the full set of three thousand different ingredients and recommend things that particular flavors product developer may not be. Millea with so just as you were suggesting that people in Italy might have a different set of Goto things than people North America. You can also be the case that the person down the hall has a different set of go to things than you do. And if the system can help, you know, bring some of that expertise from the person down the hall to apply to the problem that that you're working on, you know, then you can hopefully get a better result. I have read I think that among the occupations that may be in danger from artificial intelligence and robots would be chefs. What are your thoughts about that? How does this come into play there? Well, so we're really working not particularly with the chefs. But with the the flavor in practice, Bella pers-, so for them, you know, there's actually it's hard for companies. They actually get enough of those people there, you know, because it takes them ten years to train a person than they might work for twenty five years, and then retire there's really kind of a big demand for them. So we're trying to actually make those people, you know, more productive. So rather than this is not going to replace anyone, but it might make it. So that say a more junior flavors can perform more like a more experienced flavors. And so it may actually, you know, because the system can help train people, and can, you know, work with people to produce better results. It may actually expand the employment for peace. Who are flavors then product developers? Interesting now has the artificial intelligence come up with combinations. That have surprised you or the folks at McCormick. Yeah, they have. And it's often. Well, let me give you one example that I was told about that particular person was working on something for Italian pizza, and I don't know the details, but they were working on. And so they're thinking very much Italian. You know, the kind of a regular other things that you would put into something Italian and the system suggested that in cumin and cumin just not something you think of when you're in Italy, the person tried it, and it actually made the dish taste takes much better. And so to some extent people often have sort of cultural biases there, you know, when they're thinking talion, they're thinking of certain set of ingredients. But it may be that adding a small amount of an ingredient that's not typically associated with that cuisine can actually help improve the overall flavor. And so to some extent the the system doesn't have sort of the same. You know? Cultural knowledge that sort of limit some of its choices which can be good bad. So it may suggest putting something into talian dish that would people think would make think it's not Italian anymore. But it also can add small amounts of things that are not typically associated with a talian dish that actually then improve the overall flavor and make people like it, and the, you know, it might be added amount that doesn't really stick out so much but just improves the overall flavor, and so people still with being talion interesting is one of the benefits of your job that you get to taste some of these things. Yeah, we were actually very fortunate. We've been down to visit the McCormick research technology center, quite a few times. And we've got the sample number of things that that computers come up with and we actually got samples of the three products that are coming out on the market. And I had everyone over to my house the other night to to cook them up and sample. Them. And actually, I think everybody was very pleased with the results, you know, you despite the fact that we're not ourselves expert. Chefs very interesting now for more info on what's to come. I guess folks can be looking at the McCormick one line. It's called. Yes. That's correct. And eventually they hope to roll this out as a tool to all the product developers worldwide. And so it would be something that is available for all of them to use all the McCormick products. And so it's not the necessarily that a particular product, you know, has a inside or something like that. But that all the practice L are free to make use of the tool to, you know, help them do their work more efficiently, and hopefully come up with better results is they're gonna indication on the packaging about the involvement of the research. I actually I'm not in the marketing department. I've no idea. Well, very interesting again. It's the McCormick one line from IBM research, Dr Richard Goodwin. Thank you for taking the time with us. Thank you very much. Now, this how many companies out there have continued to innovate when it comes to building. A better radio. 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Full Auto Friday - Round 19

Cleared Hot

29:47 min | 2 months ago

Full Auto Friday - Round 19

"Smoke. North of. Small Wish small I'm making a close now. Ladies and Gentlemen Round Nineteen. Let's get into it in into our weekend. I have four questions selected for today and as usually try to grab them from. Different buckets and I tried to grab them if they have a similar theme. That I have been asked in the past. Multiple Times trying to work my way through. The Cuna here we go. Question number one comes from Justin. He writes. Up until about two years ago, all of my life has been filled with a below average trajectory. Six with only high school education I've been working in the same technical job since I turned nineteen. I do not make much money enough to pay the bills and save a little bit. It's not a job that I like. Two years ago started making changes to my life. I was three hundred and eighty pounds. A bleeding heart liberals blamed the world for all of my problems. I never searched out discomfort. There was nothing remarkable about my. At all since then I have lost one hundred and forty pounds, I no longer blamed the world for any of my problems I take responsibility for my position life. Extreme ownership Ala Jaakko. He would be very proud of you by the way and I seek discomfort daily be it running. In parentheses by the way, fuck running you and I are going to get along Jason Justin. Or lifting heavy objects. I still have a long way to go but I am moving forward. My question is as a result of my thirty five year. While choice I don't feel solid in my position in life to the point that my wife is ready to have children and I do not feel ready. I feel like I should focus on myself more before I bring a child or children into this world as what kind of life can I provide them if I'm still struggling to keep my own head above water What advice could you give someone who is seeking the answer to the question? When should I have a child? Next for you do for putting your voice in the world and for sitting down with miraculous humans. Yes. I do believe that I sit down with miraculous humans they are awesome. Here, we go. But I a sip of water. Okay. Justin I'm not qualified to answer your question or probably any question that I am asked other than I. Advise, potential military service or my experience in the military. But what I will tell you is this What you've done so far in the transformation. In. Two years is awesome. Hundred and forty pounds of weight lost. That's unbelievable book. Go put a forty five pound with on each side of a forty five pound barbell pick that sucker up and that's the amount of weight that you're muscular skeletal system used to travel around with us five pounds more than that. It's unbelievable. and. I want you to go do that actually because I want you to remind yourself how far you have come and how much you have already. published. When should you have a child? I don't know if anybody is ever. In their mind truly ready for what bringing a child into the world. Is like. There are moments of beauty and joy and sheer panic and terror in the feeling of you have no idea what it is that you're doing where the feeling that you have made a mistake and that's all. Okay because that could probably happen in the span of sixty seconds. I don't have. A. Line in the sand that you can cross where I would say now you're ready to have a child but what I would say in your situation is It seems to me that your head. Is Screwed on straight you have built momentum. In the. appropriate. Direction. That lends itself towards the accountability and responsibility and integrity. Individually. For having a child. I know you open the second paragraph with as a result of my thirty five year lifestyle choice. You know what? Though that's your past lifestyle choice. So let's build on the twenty four months or two years going forward. That's the momentum that I want you to work on. In remember how far that momentum has already taken you because you've turned your life around. A losing one hundred and forty pounds is no joke changing your mentality from blaming others externally for what's going on in your life to a position of responsibility and accountability. Internally looking for that motivation in that responsibility. That's an amazing mental shift. I would say, Oh, and then he added that you seek discomfort daily. I would say you're there I would say. that the monetary aspect which I'm sure. You're concerned with because like you said, you have a technical job you've had since you're nineteen, it's enough to pay the bills. And to save a little bit, it's there's a monetary aspect of having children anybody who says otherwise. Is what I'd like to call a liar. And completely full of Shit, they do cost money. But you know what? You'll find a way. If you were completely drowning utterly upside down in debt, I would say, maybe at that point, look at the financial. Obligation and burden that having children comes with. But if you're not at that point in I wasn't. At a point in my life when my wife and I had kids all three of the kids I was in the military. So I was making a good amount of money but not a lot of extra money to stuff into a savings account you make do you make do without some things and you change your life around to facilitate and accommodate the child which becomes the sole focus in your life? You ended the second paragraph with life. Can I provide for them? If I'm still struggling to keep my head above water so I think I've already touched on the financial side. You can provide an amazing life for your child. Take the finances out of it or you know what even bring them back in if I for the first. Six to eight years the PROG can have no understanding of the finances. But I tell you what you teach your child. It's the same thing that you've already taught yourself that you can take ownership accountability and responsibility for the trajectory of your life. You can reverse bad decisions and bad lifestyles and completely. Reinvent and reform yourself into what it is that you want to be the things that you've already accomplished are amazing each and every one of those things is an amazing example. For Child might have. So. I would say, reread your email Justin and focus on the positive things the things that you talked about. On Or flipping the trajectory of your life and imagine being able to provide that lesson to your child or children through an example. The example that you are are already setting you to stay the course, keep that momentum and keep going in the direction. You are going one thing you should remember when you're having kids. I look back now my oldest is seventeen next month. There have been some peaks and valleys. In the seventeen years and I have the ability to set the example and show in pass along lessons good or bad through the words that come out of my mouth. But more importantly the behavior that I exhibit both in the good times and maybe more importantly in the bad times, and you will have exactly that opportunity as well. So I'm not saying should have a child. What I'm saying is focus on the changes that you have made in the last twenty four months. Think about what you're going to be twenty four months from now, and all of the things that you could provide for your child outside that monetary perspective, and then you need to make that decision. For Yourself. So I hope that helped helped you justin. Question number two one's a little bit touch long. Comes from Lee. Lee Says I had a quick multi part question. This opening statement is alive because emails long. Regarding fitness with your military background at your previous East Coast Command as well as your cross fit experience. What would you say is the best functional fitness training one could do as it might apply to law enforcement and or the military. In previous podcasts I have heard you mentioned back in the day used to do back and buys chest and tries. Is this something you still recommend? Just this year, I changed my workouts to a push poll. Leg split where chest tries and shoulders on my push day back and buys on my pole day and leg day will either be with weights or doing uphill sprints with a weighted vest in parentheses hit high intensity interval training. I don't have across bit location near my house and the closest one is Hella expensive anyways. I'm going to stop reading this email right here Lee. Do me a favor. Never used the term Hella again in your life whether it be written spoken and actually don't even think of that word moving on. The pull up bar weight bench and adjustable dumbbells set which all seemed to be working for me. Knowing what you know now and what worked and what didn't work for you and the guys at your old unit. What would you do differently and what would you recommend these days further as a forty three year old any advice you can give recovery besides just getting plenty of sleep would be appreciated. Love the podcast best and take care. PS, when are you going to get more cleared hot shirts back and Scott? I'm trying to give you my money, but they are all sold out. Not Anymore Suck. My inventory is Hella stocked up Lee. I'm actually wearing right now this is the reflective one, but this color is probably not going to be available because there was an issue with the blank. So black shirts are getting reprinted in this reflective ink but that's a side note. Let's get back to your question. Yes I used to do back and buys chest and tries, and by that I mean I spent almost eight years doing that. AD. NAUSEAM. In my leg days, I would go for a run on the beach at literally did not do a squat a air squat meaning just body weight or awaited squat until probably two thousand and five, and let me just tell you the day after I did my first air squat or I did more than one the first day I was touched. Sore meaning. When I tried to sit on the toilet I almost fell down like a sniper shot to the chest essentially my leg stopped working like, Hey, fuck you you just punished us. So now we're GONNA, punish you I almost broke my toilet bowl with how hard I sit down. But that is not a question. Is this still something that you recommend? My answer to that would depend on why are you working out again my favorite question is why if you are working out for show muscles? Then sure back unbiased chest and tries why not if you are working out Because Your goal is functional strength or functional capacity. I would say you could still do some of the show muscle workouts, but I would recommend doing multi joint. Compound movements instead, of isolation movements which traditionally would find on the backend by chest and try workout scheme knocking to say that you shouldn't do. One or the other. What I'll recommend because you're specifically asking me is that if you have a functional state which it seems like you're asking here, law enforcement and or military. I would void isolation I would seek out compound movements. see here. Knowing what you know now and what worked and didn't work for you guys at your old unit. What would you do differently and what would you recommend these days? First and foremost would a is this I can't think of a negative side effect to being strong. So, whatever workout that you you're going to do? And this is specifically for law enforcement and military whatever workout you're going to do it needs to be increasing in enhancing your strength that can be taken for far too far. Terrible pairing of words there but you can go too far with that approach. I don't want you to be a power lifter work can rip a thousand pounds off the ground because your four mile time run is probably gonNA suck. I want you to find a balance though for military and law enforcement, you need to have a strength component to your workout routine that should always be foundation that you are building from and on top of that, I want you to have a cardiovascular system respiratory system. All of that needs to work well together. So you're going to find that balance. You can get too strong and you'll know you're getting too strong or focusing your training in one direction too far when it takes away from another one. So what I recommend is a balanced approach. The advice I would give my younger self would be to skip the eight years of back and buys and chest and tries in dive into the functional training that I started using after getting shot and the specifically what I was using was the cross fit methodology and you mentioned cross fit in your email and you say that there's not one near your house but then you also say you have an adjustable dumbbells, set a bar in a weight bench and what I will say about cross fit and this is no secret at all is they don't really have that much intellectual property. You can go onto the Internet. You can research the methodology behind the program you research the workouts you can find workouts online from thousands of gyms that are around the world or from Cross's headquarters themselves. And you can do them with the things that you mentioned and I go one cents up and you've got uphill sprints with a weighted vest on you have everything that you need to do functional training in and of those things. And the training when I say functional I mean movements that you're going to find on. The end state or the. They will express themselves in the execution of your roles and responsibilities. So for law enforcement and military picking things up off the ground being able to lift weight overhead being able to take weight from the ground and get it overhead. You define those things as a dead lift as a power clean as a clean and jerk. And you need to be doing these things in combination. So you need to have a broad level of physical fitness incapacity for law enforcement and military because the things that you will potentially be taxed tasked with our broad. In volume is so be prepared. On the recovery side of the house besides getting plenty of sleep that's actually where I would have started. One thing that I have changed, I'm going to say in the last six months that has drastically helped me is focusing on hydration. So what have in front of me is a huge Yeti? I don't know what this call maybe it's a tumbler goblet I don't know whatever it may be. Totally full of water and I start my morning now with a goblet for water. But I also have added salt and electrolytes specifically and what I use. It's company called element labs and I heard about these originally from rob. Wolf. I started realizing or thinking about hydration hearing about rob talk about that and I realized I was not getting enough water throughout the day. So I will take an entire one of these cups poor the salt in the morning in doubt at Tom Starting my day now, and then after Jujitsu where who anybody who does Jujitsu for hours a day can tell you there is some output in sweat involved. I will take another one of these massive cups of water with an element labs electric packet in there as well, and it has been life changing for me. I don't understand exactly the mechanism other than it is helping me hydrate and it is helping me replenish what I am losing on the mats for people who want to know more information about that I would point you towards Rob Wolf. But what I can do is I will put a link to elements labs in the show notes. So if you're curious, you can go and figure it out for yourself. In it. So sleep hydration and then I would say Diet I, think the older you get your forty-three as am I where I will be in a couple of weeks. The older that you get I, think the less broad range you have to get away with messing around with your food. You need to dial your nutrition in tighter as you get older and again I'm not a nutritionist obviously. But in my opinion, it's a key factor. That when your metabolism is like if a nuclear bomb going off twenty four hours a day in your late teens early twenties it's just not the way it is for me anymore. So when I eat. And I have too much sugar actually too much of anything my diet because I can go too far with fat too far protein too far with carbs. I don't sleep well, this one thing that I noticed specifically sugar late at night a wake up my joints ache they feel swollen and I find that that happens free meeting with to process carbohydrate. So those are things to think as well. So you got to sleep or you mentioned it focus on the hydration and then get your nutrition there. As much as I hate to say it, I would say flexibility and stretching and you could read that as yoga if you want to I don't particularly do yoga but I do stretch a little bit for at least one minute before Jujitsu class and I feel like that's all that I need but that's just me. So Lee hopefully that helps you. Who? Tumour this question comes from a guy named Andy So, of course, I'm going to select. My name is Andy and I also like to thank you for your service in for being an inspiration to men and women like me all over this great nation any you're very welcome. My service was almost all of it extremely pleasurable to me. So you don't have to thank me for anything and I'm not that inspirational actually not trying to be I'd rather be open and honest about my shortcomings as opposed to trying to inspire anybody. But you continue I need some advice. I may thirty two year old father of three ages one, three and six. Recently, a fire has rekindled and me to enlist in the service. After nine eleven, all I wanted to do was become a soldier a trained for years and preparation. Then hooked up with an Air Force combat control team for a summer to get ready to join the airforce and pursue that pipeline. Unfortunately in that time I met a woman who would eventually become my ex wife that basically said it was her or the air. Force when I was nineteen years old. I've regretted this deeply ever since fast forward ten years and I have a solid career in a technical field and I'm with a woman who supports I do and is my rock. Recently that fire burning in me to become a soldier has returned tenfold and I'm tired of gritting my decision I made all those years ago. My wife now completely backed my decision although we both studied and talked about it and know it will be harder on her and the children than it will be me. I've recently gotten back into training I. Run I, run a workout and I've studied I want to enlist in the service again but being thirty two I was wondering if you have any advice, you can share them what to expect as an older man coming into the service and what the best path to prepare both mentally and physically. I've recently linked up with the captain and the Rangers and he's helped guide me as far as training what to expect, but it would mean a lot to me to get some tips from you. I'd be lying if I said you jock when Tim Kennedy haven't been huge influence in my life and how I`ve How I live every day I was lost in just going through the motions and you guys have inspired me to get off my ass and just stop cruising through life. Best wishes God bless. All right. Where to begin where to begin. So all the Beta on what going to be like if you're older in the military service humorless now, not try to talk you out of your decision. I'm not going to try to talk you into it. What I'll say is the military is a rank driven. And you'RE GONNA come in at thirty two years of old thirty. Wow. That was amazing. English. Thirty two years of age and you are going to have potentially. But probably vastly. Vastly more life experience than the people that you are working for the people that you were working with the people that you are working for. They are going to be younger than you with less laps around the sun but a higher rank and I've seen that be no problem at all and I've seen that be pulling your hair out in frustration almost insurmountable to deal with depending on the individual. And that is something that you should prepare yourself for. It's not necessarily negative, but you will be starting in the military at the bottom of the ladder on the first wrung, just like the people who are going to be your boss did. The you know. You might have somebody though who is a twenty? Four year? Old was six years of military experience and How will you? You are thirty two? Yes. Oh six years more military experience than you but six years less actually no. Eight years less of life experience it can be grading. Having. said that the military As a whole will probably. Benefit from and be well suited to you with your enhanced life experience if the people working for you. or The people that you are working for are receptive and you can develop a relationship with them. They will highly benefit from you are enhanced perspective and optic of the world. Because of the extra time you've had in the world that is going to be dependent on your ability to develop that relationship I personally think that the military will benefit and does benefit from older people joining because they bring with them that solid life experience physically already sounds like you've found somebody to work with you on the potential demands. What I would say is focused heavily on recovery and make sure that you're not overtraining. It's not that thirty two's incredibly old age. But you have a few more miles on the tires than most people enlisting. Need to be cognizant of that. So actually just like my previous question focus on your sleep your hydration nutrition. Trained smartly don't crush yourself just because you feel like you need to. And then food for thought. You, WANNA be a soldier. which is amazing and a respect anybody who wants to make that decision. Be. Sure that you are okay with a complete shift in your life from what it is that you're doing now and your family life now to going into the military and what your family life will be then in your occupation could be like then. Be prepared that it's not gonna be what you would want it to be and be prepared that you may not get to. Serve in the soldiering capacity that you have that fire. Rekindled in you to do. It's very possible. That the world will shift on a dime while you in and it could become incredibly kinetic much like nine eleven or it's very possible. That things will continue to dwindle, which is a good sign meaning we're have less. Enemies or situations or issues or? Things in the world that we have to react to as a military, this could be on the decline, which is what I hope they actually are you need to be sure that you could be okay with both of those because what I would hate for you is to make a drastic ninety degree left hand turn and have the military, not be what you thought. It was going to be or not get out of it. What you thought you were going to suspend some time in between your ears thinking about what it is. You want from the military why you WANNA soldier the way that you do because I can tell you right now serving in the military is not like playing call of duty. There's a vast amount of boredom. Sit around you know hurry up and wait is a term that you're going to get used to, and there is a drain friends family. Loved ones be prepared for that. So hopefully that helped and if didn't writing email, I'll try to answer it again last question for today. In case twenty twenty couldn't turn into more of a Shit Sandwich. There has been a video circulating social media of an army vet that shot himself in the head with a shotgun on facebook livestream. I am not going to link linked video end. Thank you Paul, for not doing that because I don't WanNa see that. I don't think I need to show you what around does when discharge in that close of proximity to a person correct. You do not need to and like I said I do not want to or need to see that. The video made it to Tiktok, which is heavily used by kids and teens to watch dancing videos. What do you think violent videos like that have as an effect on kids and teens? And what are your thoughts on the ease at which kids can access this type of Gnarly Shit Paul. Who has a heavy one and I chose to answer this because suicide is suicide September's actually suicide awareness month, which were obviously talking about suicide. Catastrophic I saw the news reports about this intentionally did not go out seeking that video and I hope that. People didn't either and I really hope they didn't stumble across it because. Nobody needs to see that. Kids and teens specifically in the formative years of their life don't need to watch somebody put a shock onto their face and pulled the trigger. Let's just say gently. As early as possible that it looks like a Jackson pollock and if you don't know what that is just Google Jackson pollock painting and you'll get an idea of what a shock in round to the face looks like a close proximity I don't want my kids to see that. What I'm not adverse to is them being aware that that type of video isn't fact on Tiktok in the hopes that it would spark a conversation about six side about communication and empathy and compassion and being there for people should they reach out to you and say that they need help I do not want my kids watching that video at all. But I do want my kids to understand that there are people, men and women young and old who get to a point where they feel like that is their only option. And all I would ever want for my children. is if they were to ever get to that place would be for them to reach out and say something or if they knew somebody who was ever at that place that they were there to be a sounding board to listen and to help to make sure that somebody doesn't make. That decision which I'M GONNA I'm GonNa, classify it as a mistake because obviously the person who's making that decision has no idea the catastrophic effects that are left behind. What do I think about violent videos in effect they have on kids and teens I. Don't know I don't know what effect violent videos and violent video games have on teens do I think that they create serial killers? No I do not do I think that a serial killer would love playing those types of games and watching those videos. Yes. But I don't think they're causal. They might have a correlation to some degree for some people but I do not believe that they are causal and leave it at that. The last part of your question, what are your thoughts on the ease at which kids can access this type of gnarly shit well, beyond suicide in. The gnarly Shit to me extends beyond suicide. We're talking about porn. Drugs anything that all of our children have access to any time they pick up a smartphone and have unlimited basically unmetered access to the Internet. and. For parents there who have kids who have phones you need to be really clear that they do in fact, have access to the Barada Depths of the Internet. You can put things on your kids phone that throttle and govern. Guess what kids are devious little bastards and I know have multiple parents that have told me about their children finding. Back doors or ways around all of those protocols that they put in place onto their phone, and then all they really need to do is grab one of their friends, phones whose parents don't give a shit because they're off caring more about themselves than raising their kids and then all of those things are gone. It is incredibly scary to me the the Internet is a beautiful thing I love. The, the I love the access to information. But, I'm doing that through forty two years of life. When you're younger and that insatiable curiosity about topics that could potentially seemed taboo. It worries me and that's why I try to have very open and honest conversations with my kids on any topic that they want to drugs alcohol sex pornography fill in the blank I would prefer. I'm not going to expose them to those things, but I would hope that they're not exposed to those ideas for the first time on a web browser on a smart device. That scares the crap out of me and I do think that all of those things have a negative consequence on the. The brains of children in their formative years. And I don't have a solution for it but it is something as a parent I think you have to consistently and constantly combat against. And that is all I have for this full out of Friday out that helped out. Paul.

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An Insider-Outsider Perspective

Immigrantly

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An Insider-Outsider Perspective

"The new york-based Pakistan the American artist tis to expose the dichotomy of being an insider outsider that consider myself in many ways in insider outsider. which is being comfortable in all places feeling like an insider in all places but then you know knowing that you are an outsider's while or sometimes made made to feel like that and just sort of walking that balance is is what it's all about and if you're comfortable doing that then that's that's sort the sweet spot to his walk? He recreates the historical and cultural narratives to highlight social issues. He collaborates with beavers dangers and food vendors to address the problems around identities farm phobia and social justice. If you look at Jackson pollock. It's no different. You know it's like I. I could have painted that or anybody could have thrown or you have to understand context and you have to read the book with context. You can't just take a quote instead. Kill the infidels because it's connected to a bunch of other things and that's not what it's saying some of these issues we've already talked about with so many the guests so it will be very interesting to get fax perspective on these issues. Sex is in the studio with me to talk about a lot of these issues. This importantly currently am I'm your host the welcome sex. I am so excited and we are finally doing this right. I get rescheduled twice. I'm sorry no no in fact three times yes but one time it was because me and then there was because of your scheduling issues. She was a lot busier than I am. And I apologize. I am very hectic schedule because I have a full-time job and then fulltime art practice. And then I have a full-time family. That's three four times so that's three times I was late. Sword had to reschedule three schedule and the good thing is. You didn't cancel. No we're not because this is important. Oh thank you okay. Let's start with your name your first name sacks soccer stock. Yeah I did this episode. Few months back it's called. What's in a name and it's about how immigrants and change the names and make them more westernized anglicized when they come to the US to make it easier for people to remember? Yeah right but art then your last name is a free damn proud of it. Yes so I was going to ask you. It's like people who grew up in Pakistan or even honest on no that it represents an ethnic identity. It represents a tribe so I'm sure you're very proud of that. But how many times has that name being butchered. Afridi is not socket occupy butchered really changed it. Oh my God that's interesting yeah. I haven't legally changed it or anything but s spelled it spell let s Aka I B I was born and then at some point in middle school. I decided that I wanted it to be grammatically correct. Because because there's should be a you after accuse change to execute you. Ib and that didn't work so well. And then I just moved into being say can be for the longest time and then here in the US everybody would just call me Sakib and that just got under my skin and after about maybe ten days or so years of it just or blogger for just just getting under my skin or people just having a hard time remembering it. I think that's what it was. I I like to think myself as a you know a fairly memorable person. So when people who I'd met a couple of times you know through work or whatever they would look at me with like hey nice sky whose name. I can't remember and that would happen all the time and I kind of just got sick of it and as I was you know just one day a friend of mine so feely the says. Why don't you just change it? To Saks. Simple we have a friend Shaquille whose shacks and because he just be sacks and I thought you know that's that that's a great idea. I'm just like really sick of it and so the next day changed my emails my business cards social profiles and nobody's forgotten my name sentence so it was really a branding exercise it's You know another way to say it. It's my stage name and as an artist I have a stage name. It's interesting because so I I have two girls and I have named them. Russia and zooming extremely ethnic. Give your daughters hardening I get it. Listen I'm all for it. I've definitely definitely felt the guilt of changing it. Others Amina is easy to pronounce. Nobody messes it up. Yeah Yeah Yeah Washer Washer. And she's she's like come up with all these different concoctions off Ed and sometimes she doesn't even tell me what she's calling herself anymore and to me. It boils is down to. Why should we John Names? Why should the onus beyond Nostra than you know beyond the people who who need to learn our names we learn Gora names don't but it's a two way street and it's you know we're not the only one to have done this? Ralph Laurens name. Is Ralph Livshits. So the the artist Rothko Stamos Roth commits so like he changed his name because there were too many Jewish artists so the people do change their name. Sometimes from abilities sometimes for branding like In my case but other times just to assimilate I did not do it for assimilation in any way pretty well assimilated in wherever I I. I am more Thurston boxed on or here or anywhere anywhere else but There is there's a certain amount of guilt that goes with it. Sharman Abed Juneau's As a friend and she she was always like what's the Sax why would he will. AXE JUST GONNA call you sake. I'M NOT GONNA call you sacks and there's many people in boxing to call me socket Gabe Sachs and that's cool. I am both you know. It's it's fluid. That's true and I think for his nineties specially it's more like a colonial including will handle will we don't want this is Neil history. People are anti-cholera every form and we saw even name that reminds joins us that we will rock people. Think I did it to anglicized but now it's just like they were butchering. It was being and it was just a pain in the ASS. You you ever lived the you haven't lived at you know. Let's talk about your child who your dad was in Pakistan International Airlines. RPI right and because of that you traveled a lot Is there one place you still would like to call home though because you've been global citizen you've lived in in different places I don't I don't think we have to have one place to call. I think that definition of is speaking of fluid also fluid I. I have have two homes. I have box on a home and I have New York City as a home. New York City's not America. New York City's its own nationality. I have a sweatshirt that as New York doc is a nationality and So New York box on both. Don't consider an either one more home or less home. They're they're kind of equal box on his older much. Not much but holds a a dear special a much more special place because of emotionally socially but New York is Where my soul is an in vegas man? Where did you grow up? So I've embarked on a so. I grew up moving countries every two to three years so I never really lived in one place for longer than that. So I'll just give you quick chronology and then you'll know suborning shower like you. I wasn't wanting so shower. Lived there for five years then. We moved to Libya for a year. Then we moved to Sri Lanka for three years and came back to push our for three years after which we went to. Saudi Arabia for three years then came back windy In Pakistan and live there for a year and then moved a slam about for two years and then we moved to Johannesburg for a couple of years and then I lived there for a year. I came back to box on for about in six eight months or so to our windy and then we move to Dubai for about a year and then I came to the US for college and then in the US. Clinton Connecticut Philadelphia for Short Short. Stint like you know not really lived just stayed there for a while and New York City twice San Francisco. And how has that changed your outlook on life. Has It made you more tolerant of other cultures religions at the city's hundred percent hundred percent. I I feel I've just I'm much more flexible and open person because of that because as I was thrown into different cultures and school systems and social dynamics to deal with at a fairly a young age and just forced to adapt it makes it makes it easy. And that's why I have a series of works and I consider myself in many ways and insider outsider. which is being comfortable in all places feeling like an insider in all places but then you know knowing that you are an outsider's while or sometimes made to feel like that and just sort of walking that balance is is what it's all about it if you're comfortable doing that then that's that's sort of the sweet spot and does it also held in your marriage because you're married to a Palestinian American different ethnic ethnic identity different religious identity in value same values so I interviewed Susie Your Life? She's a comedian. Her episode was one of my favorite episodes because I giggled throughout. I couldn't stop laughing and one thing that I noticed about her was that she. She's a big fan of yours by the way she did not stop talking about you and I it kicked by curiosity about to your because she will like i. I don't know if you've listen. I'm sure you've listened to her and she talked about you constantly. I talk about her constantly to yes. We're both each other's biggest. Pr Machines so. How does that work in your family? Because I remember she mentioned something like parenting styles and she thought that at like as an added mom. Her parenting style is very different. From your mom's paintings and be moms out a bit like Crazy maybe and sean crazy. She's just very disciplined disciplined and determined. And I think she did a fantastic job and suzy will be the first to admit that. In fact she's he's always thanking my mother for the way she raised me because she says you gave me. You gave me the best gift. Yeah but do you think I think they see moms are more as you said more disciplined in terms of you know kids education and one hundred percent sometimes to a fault but in contrast two Arab moms they feel even more in contrast to just You know parents who are on top of their game they're knocked. There's just parents who are on top of their game and Arab parents are. Let's face it mostly. I don't know it's a blanket statement. I know many are parents who are in top of their game too so then what relaxed. They're they are. They are more relaxed. There is a certain guilt but you know having lived in New York for a dozen years. It's no different than Jewish guilt. It's it's it's the same Jewish moms or no different than DC Moms they're like you never call you. Never you never right All that you know they guilt stuff that we get. It's no different than Jewish skills and not just fat. I think it's also the way we want our kids to learn. I think the learning process education itself like I see having these conversations with my torches and I I just push them more than sometimes I feel guilty about doing that all the time but then my immigrant mentality kicks in because is for me. It's important that my kids do well in America because that's why my husband and I are here. You're here because you competed. And and you know you you ran the race and you you came through so that it is a competition and we have a a sense of competition. That that we channel into hard work Arabs have a sense of competition that they channel into their egos. Now I'm I'm not saying box on his disease. Don't have egos if you if you look at our political system. It's entirely egos so it's just a matter of channeling into hard work and that's and that's how we define success thing. Would they see parenting. And the thing I don't like about it is that we define success by money. Honey and we define success by you know how successful you are in life. Based on how many homes you own are And notice I said plural with homes because then the arm is on. Has a house here. -partment do you think it's more does have any of those tasks to do with immigration entirety holidays because I feel like people native-borns are more relaxed. The are going to have anything to prove. Their parents have done all the proving for them. And that's that's where we have to push because they still have to prove they still have to run the race in this world. Thank you. Let's talk about your work in your project. Space Mosque combines mysticism with Seifi. Why did you decide to combine these two very disparate fields I am not a big fan of Scifi. But the idea of mosque Lake Sufism mysticism combining with sci-fi was so intriguing. And I've seen the sculpture or that you have created and it's amazing. Can you talk a little bit about that sure. So I've created a number of sculptures around it but before getting into that. Just let's talk about the the concept of it or the theme of it. I don't think they're that far apart. They're they are connected connected. They both search for the Journal. A lot of science fiction. If you look back at you know early science fiction of Star Trek Ah they were all voyages to go. Where no man has gone before and in spirituality? We've always always searched for the the unknown the divine and we've always looked towards the stars for that. Because that's that's where the heavens are or that's that's where The the Almighty lives or is present or and if you look at Greek mythology or if you look at any any different religion. They've always looked towards the stars so I think there's a connection science fiction and spirituality that way there's also a connection of I like like to work in this area of Sufism and science fiction and I think there's a connection there as well because a lot of it is about self off realize it so factual and in order to get self actualization you have to be self realized and you have to look inside yourself and you've defined love within yourself and when you find love within yourself you go out and you seek love in the form of God to God if God is love and into which which God is then how do you find God by practicing love and you do that with others. You do that with breath yourself. And more importantly you don't treat God or look God as a as a punitive God you look at God as not even a here she she but as the all knowing entity to love that was just the connection between science fiction and to fees them our spirituality in general but the idea of space mosque was really bore. Out of this question. That I read this quote wants wants If all your prayers were answered but it changed the world or just yours and that started this idea of space mosque where like like. Wow what bill did around US narrative of this para fictional global phenomenon. That happened in the past. Where do the arrival of this mysterious spaceship from the future for every human being in the planet got one prayer answered every twenty four hours and during that time that phenomenon good things happened and bad things happened and one of the things that happened happened was that everybody started praying for money and so when everybody praised for money what happens inflation happens? The whole world erupted everything in the grocery stores for the cost thousands and thousands of dollars so the global currency changed and no no longer was about money but prayer became the defacto global currency during that time and this is a fictional narrative. I've created I call it paraffin because that's made to look real And I talk about it as though it was real and so at that point. Greed and morality were at constant war. Because if everyone's ones praying for themselves who's praying for others why did you choose that meditative. Why did you choose the narrative Dave that everybody will play for money? That's the study of human nature. That's just greed. That's that's what we would do Yeah I think so. I think a lot the people would have to start off with so I have I kind of have it all broken down. I'm working on right now. As a structured story and everything so there's different times during which of the phenomenon and what happened. Initially a lot of people prayed for money and that totally disrupted the global economy. But then things settled down and people started praying for other things beyond that but then people also discovered that children's prayers were accepted and being received with a much higher rate of return than adult prayers. Because there's a sense of intention and purity children have that adults don't because our prayers are infused with Ego and you know Oh jealousy and things like that. This is such an interesting concept but I think about to me. It's realization of one's uh-huh limitations as human. Because for me. It's a very humbling experience. Because as a human I feel like I'm recognizing the fact that I cannot do everything on my own and it is this as you said divine being he or she. You're talking about submission submission rate and I just ask or seek his his health. But it's very interesting how you bring in greed into this and that is another perspective that I never thought about especially only with prayer because to me it's so selfless. The act of ring is so selfishness. Well it's submission followed by requests because in prayer also ask God for things and the the duo portion of the of the prayer right. So you by getting where you're asking for. Somebody's gotTa Christmas. Christmas lists that you're going through and you're like God. GimMe this Gimme this. God gave me. This can be the senator right so in that sense. You you are asking the Almighty for for for something in return for your submission. It's a bargain it's a deal. It's another thing I love about Sufism. It doesn't have that there's no bargaining and deals just theirself distances love. So that doesn't exist. There's no reward system where if you do good you know you get to heaven you do bad. You don't that kind of thing so I don't only believe in that but But greely come came into play in the in the narrative and so when people discovered that children's prayers were being answered more and more this gave rise. The corporations saw this and this gave rise to the prayer farms they started partnering Corporation Operation Started Partnering with orphanages and started recruiting children from around the world and started creating these corporate prayer farms and the corporate pref arms. Then were the mechanism through which people's prayers were being answered because of their bad intentions. Not all prayers were answered. Only prayers with good good intentions were answered still so they could use this as a channel so politicians other religions. You know people who who needed to get something done would do it through this way. So that completely changed the system of the world and so hence greed and morality were at constant more so it it could be made into a TV. Show our EILLY working on that right now. Eight let's see told police soon. Yeah yeah hopefully. I'm in in the thick of it right now. Writing Stories and thinking of this world deeper. I've already been working for a couple of years now but there's so much more to ago so yeah so this is a good segue into another project that you did somewhere in America and it's an exciting project. Where do you use transliteration Shen of Jesus Song and you basically replaced chronic wissies with it to point out in your view flaw and in in reading and practicing religion the way we practice religion right now especially all Muslims because they read Koran an alien language which is Arabic not all Muslims names addresses? And I agree with you there but it got me thinking about something else. And here's here's my theory for the believer. It is about divinity in what right so the idea of preserving Koran in its original form and having it as has reference was one of the intended consequences are why it was preserved in abby now so when I was growing up I try to read it in Arabic. I couldn't my father reads it in English so language itself or sanctity of language was never something that I thought about great. You're very lucky. Yeah probably although. I was told later that I committed a sin by doing that. Exactly but the the unintended consequence of all of this is that Arabs and language itself Arabic has become have become de facto custodians are representatives of Islam. Aw and that's what bothers me a lot and even to this day somehow. Saudi Arabia is no is it is so annoying annoying. Do you think this project first of all. What was the response liked this project? And what were you trying to get from it and did were you able to achieve whatever your goal was yes so. This project was also collaboration that I did with another New York based artist conundrum. Her I both went through the same experience like made to read the Koran. As kids gotta read it gotta read it so we did finished it may hey party at the end. There's literally party afterwards party done but the child has no audio what he or she is. Read nothing and most people don't but the but they'll quote it those who actually read a translation or do in English in whatever language you know good good for them because that's what they're supposed to but honestly even when I read it in English. It is so metaphorical like reading Shakespeare. I don't understand what I'm reading. The ground is the most abstract work ever exactly so unless you have like explanation for every worse that you read it you cannot understand John were you reading. And that's why sometimes it's confounding to see incurred taken literally literally you can take it literally and there are so many non Muslims coating Koran and and seeing Oh so Koran says two infants. I am like absolutely I can't understand it. How do you do understand? I mean you can't even it's as abstract as like if you look at Jackson pollock. It's no different you know. It's like why anybody could have painted that or anybody could have thrown or or a you have to understand context and you have to read the book with context. You can't just take a quote out and kill the infidels because it's connected to a bunch of other things and that's not what what it's saying but it's unfortunate that Islam Forbes and fundamentalists booth do the same things they are so oh similar in so many ways. That's what the work is about because it's this Miss Education of blind faith that it's commenting getting on and being an American. I've seen how there's a sense of I guess. In a way a new gospel will being formed. You know that has formed culturally. And that's that's the gospel of Hip Hop and the gospel of hip hop is Revered in a big way and so I wanted to make that comparison and so I was listening to Jay z's album at the time and this sort of contrast to struck the Yup this could this might as well be Greek like what we're reading in the Garonne might as well be so. Let's replace ace the Old Gospel with the New Gospel with just with Jay Z.. Lyrics and the lyrics are also you know commenting about the state of affairs in America as well. So it's about the state of affairs here but also about the state of affairs of if the miseducation of blind faith. Did you in fact show it in Pakistan as well. It's never been shown in Pakistan it's been showed in the. There's a collector who owns it. Who owns an addition of fit in the UAE and there's also a prominent journalist and professor so don sued who the customer who was giving talk and talk? He showed a slide with with with the image on. And that's that's how the collector saw it and then reached out to us and acquired the piece but he showed it into talk as an example of this education of blind faith. So I think people resonate with it especially people who have been made to read the Koran without understanding it. was that any backlash. No no not at all. Yeah and there shouldn't be. There's there's not a single word on there that is of the Koran the the only chronic reference there where is the visual it just looks like thick old manuscript. And it's got the ornamentation seven of Garon but the letters are simply transliterated Arabic letters. And that's what artists are supposed to do. And I think one of the drawbacks of how Komo slim's are practicing their religion right now. Gun State of affairs is that we don't question our religion anymore and we don't let our artists to their. You know creative creative expression of what how this religion or culture and and that's such an important exercise were afraid and you should be able to question served uh-huh not not goes far as you know drawing doodles of the Prophet Muhammad. But you can you can explore. You're allowed allowed to explore where we're human and and and artists. Our job is to explore and question and not necessarily give you answers but to question John and instill questions in your mind. You know you've done so many interesting project. Because as I was doing research I came across so many things that I I want to talk about. And it seems like it's all about your project but there are so many interesting and I want to bring up another one hour sandals. Oh my God. That's one of my favorites favorites because you've created the swing version of Pakistani Chapel. It's rendition of Bishop will. And it's expensive. By the way. Because because I was trying to I was like I was looking. I looked up. Not for Arthur known. Yeah you're right. They're only one hundred in the world. I feel like light because because when I see them in pictures I can't figure out if they are light enough for me to wet and walk. Oh God yeah they are they are there they have a sneaker sold. There's lightest sneakers but they're so beautiful and their gender neutral right. They are yes they absolutely are. And they're Arab a beautiful creation that I'm very proud of that model and I worked on together and those guys are amazing. They are a shoe a handcrafted shoe company based in Pakistan and I partnered with them the idea for the Sandal. I was part of the Space Mosque project. And the story behind the sandals starts with A A story of a twelve year old boy during the time of the phenomenon who lived in shallow box on whose parents were separated and the boy prayed to spend more time with his estranged father who lived in the town of Gawk and so he prayed to spend more time with his father in the next morning when he woke up. His Saudi chapels had grown wings. And so he would go and see his father every day after school and then come back home and when the vessel left the sandals stopped working but at the show at the space must show that had earlier this year at Ikon Gallery. There's is A sculpture sculptural versions of the sandals and they have much larger wings. Those aren't really wearables. But I made those with more hor and I'm experience with them was so fantastic and the Story of what Gaceta the the couple. Who founded Ma Mahorn than later atoms? Which I'm wearing as well by the way it was? I just loved it so much that we just developed this connection this this immediate bond of friendship and we started talking about the idea of a limited edition smaller winged version that were wearables and they make a sneaker which is so comfortable. They basically took. The rubber tire sold that exists on. chapels triples and swapped it out with a foam sneaker soul and that immediately makes such a much lighter and much more comfortable because Bichon Vichai Boo went and my father used to wear that he still wears it and it doesn't it is the most comfortable to break them in. You have to write. Yeah but the Hello Sandals. Don't really it's different than they don't Take much breaking in I. I wore mine the first day and I walked nine thousand insteps in Manhattan and had a small blister towards the end of the day. But that's you know that's that's that that's normal after breaking in Any shoe but they're just so comfortable to walk in the wings make them feel even look even later. They don't feel lighter but it's it's it's not a heavy shoe at all so it's handcrafted leather with half the sneaker soul and they come in white and Tan and there's there's a hundred of each and you planning to add any more colors. There are plans of doing another color in the summer. Yes it is it it cheap you to your ethnic identity. Because shortage up is so quintessential ton thing. Yeah there's there's so much pride ride in it and so I was like when I saw it I was like Oh my God now you know. People globally can wear these couples that we like. Our pittance didn't have been wearing for so long and by the way. Who is your audience? Because you've done so many different projects and every project has has some cultural context to it. Who are you trying to connect with people who live in both my homes so people I love of New York or America Or the world and people of South Asian origin people of Middle Eastern origin. People of any origin who are empathetic with the idea of being an outsider and having felt built what that feels like. You recently invited Stan I follow you on Instagram. And you were boosting such interesting stories. And it's interesting because because when I was growing up in Pakistan the only few places I would be was one was Lahar grew up and then every summer and winter we would go back to our village to celebrate it either and stuff and that was the. That's the extent of geography of Pakistan. That I understand which is which is a sad thing but you captured up to date so beautiful you were in Karachi and then you were in your village and you will in slam about. How was that experienced? I can you talk a little bit about your travel to Pakistan this trip. Yes So this trip was a very special. I just We were just there. in November so about a month ago and the same artist I was talking about earlier. Jim who are did the Somewhere in America piece by the way I just interviewed recently. That's great dot is. Yeah Yeah so her. Did this collaboration collaborative interactive installation sculptural installation. I guess technically and Installation Nation I. It's a seesaw with a double sided. Stainless steel mirrored wall in between them with a little opening in between when children ride the see saw through the opening. They can see each other but when adults right it we just see a reflection of ourselves and so the work is called dunker up. It's a trap and it's a permanent. We'll probably we already told you. But it's a permanent installation at the Karachi Zoo park and it was part of the Karachi bonaly that happened in November two thousand eighteen to style and it was a phenomenal experience. I I usually don't go to Karachi when I go to Buxton like yourself. I go to the go to the Laura for art stuff and then I go to my village in Bobby Bonda outside of hot and but that's still like you know that's a whole region of Buxton that I you'd go and visit is a completely different world and then cannot cheese a completely different world as well I have so many friends from Karachi and I'm so connected to Karachi in that way but I've only been a handful of times in my life seen here just so twice. It was like going to a new city but because I know a lot of the artists and a lot out of those people through art an instagram. It was so amazing meeting a lot of them for the first time so but I felt very welcomed and and just felt very much part of it and in that sense it was It was great. It makes me WANNA do more do more things in Pakistan and then afterwards going to my ancestoral village Bob Rebound up son which is completely different than Karachi and it's a completely different world and you know you just you literally change your clothes and you change the way you are not inside but just on some of the mannerisms in and just get to there are norms within that culture and I love the norms of that culture. They're also minorities too so I I love going there and spending time in the village in spending time with you know everybody in the village and all of that. That's also important. I'm an only son so for me. The connection to the villages which is very important and you would also doing who Jura and again. My parents village there is a WHO try. I'm I'm so used to all of those terms but you have to have context twenty. Did you get any questions about you know which I and all that you were showing sure. Yeah I post. I was posting a fair amount in my instagram stories. Stories and people were asking questions. So what is this place here. What's going on? And then of course have some of my so is that is that we hang out and planned the bomb attacks so no but I would I would be explaining it to people and things and so I probably had. I'm not kidding about a dozen people who wanted to come visit buck side with me after those after those stories really because people here are you're scared to visit by goes through. Unfortunately they don't know. I don't know that the Obama tax the bump learning doesn't happen at Notre. Yeah it happens in the room behind around the corner. This another food too sees that I wanted to talk to you about before we wrap up and it's called a suitable girl. It's a satirical take on. This lake quintessential that every mother. This is a topic Amina idea. Oh really yeah. Yeah so he does not mean is Bach sons probably Wanna most prominent probably the most prominent air makeup artists like a handful. He's definitely up there and he's been around for. I used to into him for a haircut and this was like I don't know why I would spend so much money. Ah College student and do that. He he's like probably the most prominent right. Yeah he's a household name so I was at a party with him One evening and he's like I'm so sick and tired of all. These women coming up and saying Kim Kardashian like make me look like Kim Kardashian. I swear I wanna just do a photograph. Even Kim Dashing is not Kim Kardashian she's evolved and transformed we use right. Yeah yeah so he had this idea that I really want to do a photo of my salon and instead of a bride sitting them. Just want to have a blow up doll sitting there and I was like. That's a great idea. That should be like you know you should you should do that. He's like no. I can't I can't can't do that. I said D mind if we do that. And he's like Yup please by all means go ahead and do something with it so I left right after that in a call. Hey what do you think. And she was cast. Let's do it so then. We explored that idea further and Kinsey connected with that idea as well She herself was a suitable girl and So she found a connection with a two so the two of US worked on it together and we created the series of photographs with this amazing photographer. Morgan Miller here New York and we shot these scenes and scenarios with this blow up doll bride the whole idea of you know. She's this suitable girl. Perfect for the South Asian home where she'll be taking care of her in laws and her husband at the same time looking like Kim Kardashian and all these pressures that the disappearance put onto their daughters that is unnecessary. Surrey and it's unfortunate how pervasive this notion is even in India and Bangladesh. And it's like the entire league subcontinent but do you think we give them difficult names and difficult burdens. Yeah Yeah leave them difficult names Sarah but do you think it's being too hard to judge society by its worst trades as artists. It's our. It's our job to to show a mirror. How would you describe suitable for for audience to understand? What does that mean in its Tech in its traditional. Not My idea of. He asked Davis suitable girls freezing but but a suitable girl is is a educated girl who has full college degree. Master's degree doctorate. Maybe but she cannot studies but she cannot work as Dr. She must be housewife and start and stop the accent and so highly. Yes my son does it. And he does a terribly and so she has to be highly educated but will not use her degree in any way she must come from a certain dowry or she must come from a certain type of family and then the expectations of her are are to serve and Almost in a in a geisha in like manner you know And then to worship Her inlaws yes and her the ground that her husband works on. I think you know this is also We get a where where subcontinental so we get a lot of this from Indian culture as well. And it's just something that's we've been raised with for generations. Do you think it's changing though. Do you see a change. Among did I capture suitable girl doe in you did you did. I miss each she. She cannot be passed. You're right you're right. Twenty twenty two. He goes beyond that. She's done and done. Yeah your past your prime you fast Ostia frying and it's so lengthy. Guardians will relate to that as well right. I mean that's that's so different than I am so I I hear twenty seven twenty eight a year old girls like struggling with that themselves like. Oh my God I'm thirty. I haven't found somebody that does you know to the I haven't found the one on. My friends are getting married so I this is a normal thing kind of any great guys. It's completely different. There's a Oh that's a whole other conversation. Yes completely different. But this idea of of pressure from the parents the difference between how a twenty eight year old airfields versus the twenty eight year old In boxed on there's a much harder pressure because he's getting it from everybody down to the you know the the the the the guy at the At the store who who says a WHO who literally a lady store will ask you. Are you married. And so everybody else's business that's common people can ask me questions like when my daughters what is go to Pakistan. Our family asks them really crazy stuff and the shocked and then my husband's no this is just part of our culture. It's okay and sometimes I'm like no that's the burden of a suitable girl. Yeah but and it starts early on it starts at like what seventeen eighteen. Yeah I would say earlier. Yeah Yeah my sister was told. I think That about thirteen or fourteen. You know that yeah when nothing but just not told anything bad. Those like you know when you get married need you know it'll be like it'll be like this would be like that and the the the the dream of the the wedding and your what your role as a woman woman needs to be starts. I think probably thirteen fourteen. You know just such an integral part of who who we are as a society and how we define women reading and marriage and family. It's like we don't talk about other issues as much. It's changing. There are many strong women out there right now. We're changing this and I love it and I think it probably because now I see like women in my family who are in their late late twenties and not yet married like ten years ago or even fifteen years ago that would have been taboo league not having been like not getting married until twenty seven twenty twenty eight thousand even marketing divorced. I getting divorced. Yeah although in my household it was so different my or just being single and having a career and choosing to do that they do they do not have kids and just and and to enter. Live your life I think more and more women are doing that. Now see Pakistani TV. I feel like like everything is the same is it like are we regressing in terms of our media outlets and depiction of who we are as I think I I think boxing is becoming more and more woke everyday. Yeah I don't I. I like to think that it's becoming more woke that younger people are waking up to it a realizing are calling it out and this is where social media's great. They're they're they're calling out people's Shit like we if you follow Mango Baazar. Is there anything you know you see it every day. There's always some guy who was caught on camera trying to tease teaser. Girl or do something or say something inappropriate that stuff and they're being called out left right and center and not just a global thing. The metoo movement really kind of woke doc the world up And so I think it is and we see it now in rural bucks on. It's very hard also. I would think that people people in rural Pakistan and in the upper class in Pakistan are more demands abated. It's middle class. That bears the burden burden off. Transmitting these traditions and facing all the Fictions yeah I honestly I think when I see women in in my village Elhage I feel like they are a lot more emancipated than I ever was. Yes that's true. They're they're doing man's work. Yeah you know they they really are. Yeah especially in in job inventory. There's very icy. I see that Mugabe's well less in presser because of the culture so before we wrap up waking me find your walk and you are how much sandals you can find my work on my website. SACHSE FREE DOT COM or on my instagram at saks underscore underscore and you can find a link to the house. Handles there's well L. but you can also go to the Mar Hor website where you can acquire the polls yourself. But I think it's more hor dot com slash handles or if you you just go to the site and you go into the chapel section. You'll you'll definitely see it and you can learn about Story in the narrative of the chapels and all of that and before we end the interview do if you were to describe America in a word or a sentence. How would you do that? They're my jeans. They fit perfectly. No no complaints. I can complain about any place or any. I know yeah I choose not to complain. Thank you socks. This was wonderful. I had so much fun and I'm glad we want to do this. Finally me too. I'm I'm still thinking about that last question. Oh you are yeah. Yeah there's that's Yeah I'm GonNa Stick with my answer. This was a pleasure. Thank you so much thank you yeah.

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Bisa Butler

Design Matters with Debbie Millman

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Bisa Butler

"You know when people die. In the pictures at the funeral or sometimes younger. Like once they die they're ageless. It's perfectly fine to have a picture of her at twenty or thirty or forty. I understood that of her before she passed that that's how she saw herself in. That's how she wanted to be seen. This. Is desired letters with Debbie. For Sixteen years has been talking with creative people about what they do, how they got to be who they are and what they're thinking about at working on. On this episode, Visa Butler talks about her career and about how making a quilted portrait of her grandmother led to an artistic breakthrough I think they could see and I feel like I. got it. I finally got here's debit I with a couple of messages that here interview with Butler. NEW I say Visa Butler is a fiber artist I wouldn't be wrong. Her work is made of quilted textiles. But. It's kind of like saying that Jackson pollock worked in Paint Visa Butler does extraordinarily vibrant quilted portraits of African Americans. Some are famous like Frederick Douglass but most are unnamed men and women who happened to have had a photograph taken before they were forgotten by history. But BC's of Butler has brought them back to us in life scale images that stick in the mind and claim our attention and respect. She joins me to talk about her work and her career be so butler welcome to design matters. Thank you so much. Debbie 'em. So happy to be here be is true. You were named as the artist of the month at your nursery school. Yes I. was I went to school in the seventies. So it was definitely like full on Hippie time. The name of the nursery school was Sunday in school just give you an idea of what we got going. And I was artists of the month and I was so thrilled. But I had no concept of time and I thought that meant art like the artists. Artists Emeritus forever. Ever, and when the month changed somebody, else's name was up there and I was so hurt I couldn't understand. I understand you were allowed to drug guardian angels on the walls of your bedroom were three so that you wouldn't be afraid to sleep in your own bed. You also won a blue ribbon in the plainfield sidewalk art competition when you were four. Yes I did. Yes. was there ever a time in your history you can think of when you weren't being creative. I really can't like as far back as I can remember I think it goes with most kids though, right? They're drawing coloring painting I. Think the only difference is that I kept at it. You were born and raised in New Jersey. You are the youngest of four siblings and your mother's family is from Louisiana. Yes. Your father left Ghana in nineteen sixty and came to the United States with a scholarship to study and a suitcase with one shirt and one pair of pants and he ultimately became a college president for nearly four decades and you've said that you got your unwavering work ethic from him in in what way. Oh my goodness what my father would always drummed net into our heads. No matter what you do you have to be the best. If you're a street sweeper, you'll be the best street sweeper and he told us so many stories about being a small boy in Ghana in the nineteen forties and what that was like to have to school kids used to sing all hail to the Queen Chung about Queen Elizabeth because Ghana wasn't a free country at the time there were still colonize. So he just talked about what that was like and The struggles that he went through as a child whose father died of appendicitis when he was about eleven. And he was at boarding school and he caught a bus home he had heard they told him you. Will you need to go home and it took him about about twenty four hours on the. And by the time he got home the family was on their way back from the burial. Oh my gosh. So somebody after his father passed families split apart and his mother, my grandmother couldn't afford to take care of the children. She could only keep the baby with her and there were five and two of his sisters were married to. I think he was a sixty year old man the same sisters were married to the same to two different sisters. To the same and they were seven and eight high, they weren't adult women clear little girls and The family was so devastated. Financially after Mike, Grandfather's death that my father always had in his mind like that that was never going to happen to his family. He said, he used to pray every night that he lived because he wants to take care of its children. And he still alive now thank God and he's still advising me every day. He looks at my instagram like. He comments and he comes to all my exhibits. So I grew up knowing that It was Kinda like that do-or-die like you must do. Well, he must be so proud of you. Yeah he is. He is. I mean he definitely, he steered us all of us towards education because that was his way out of poverty and out of despair and he tried to guide me into being an architect and in my undergrad years but it just was not working out at all am I. got a ship to Howard University, and I showed up with school of architecture and I remember this big project I did they had us like I dunno design, some sort of building and I had this idea that I was gonNA use a black board with white pencil because I wanted to like flip the script and I was trying to inject some Kinda creativity into a project that didn't really interest me and I worked so hard on his thing and I remember one of the professors saying dirty because he didn't like the the smudge of the white and they gave me a see just based off of that and I was so wrecked an angry and despondent that I. I called home and I told my dad like I'M GONNA lose the scholarship because I can't stay in the school of architecture. And headed, he respond what was his sense of what you could do instead at the time Howard's tuition I think was ten thousand a year now I think it's forty, eight thousand. So. It was like it was felt that he was disappointed but he knew me I was the youngest and I was always really headstrong and I remember him being like. If you feel like this is what you need to do. Okay. But you're going to go into education like he wanted to at least know that I could teach our. In that, I wasn't going to be Artists. That was his fear in that came from his childhood you know literally starving yeah. I WANNA. Talk a bit more about your college experience and what happened but I have a few more questions for you about your origin story and growing up in the family that you did I know that you came from a family of people who knew how to sew your grandmother, your mother, and all six of her sisters new hatice. So They weren't quilters they sold out of necessity to enhance their homes and their wardrobe. Did you first learn how to sew as a little girl or was it something that came later? I learned as a little girl I remember my mother always having sewing room. I don't know if you would call that like in the seventies every woman had a sewing room house. My mom did because she was strice I. And she was making people's clothes for a living. Ads in the penny saver and he would come to our house and she do fittings and. Most of the people that she ended up making clothes for people that couldn't by conventional close for any number of reasons. So that's what I grew up with she'd she'd make little drying of each outfit afterward, fashion drawings, and that's how I learned how to draw because I would make them with her. Oh, my Gosh I love that also yeah I guess similar to that although my mother she loved French fashion we always L. Magazine marie-claire but she grew up in Morocco they all did so we would have liked the French, Marie Claire and Vogue and Should. We would see these childhood or Dan and Christian Dior dresses, and then she and her sisters would make them. So cheapie sewing and I wanted close from my Barbie so that's how it started. Ask early can you make this for my Barbie and I remember day her city me down and being like okay now you're GONNA learn how to slow this like I'm not making all your dolls I remember making a funky looking funky as in bed pair of Wool Pants for my candle. They had like, no one lasted like the whole stovepipe thing going. But I think I can recall that was the first thing that I so. I read that for your twentieth birthday you decided to so fitted ankle length, sleeveless linen dress with a cowrie shell shock or style collar, and you design the dress yourself and you sold it without a pattern while away at school and you were so proud of the dress you brought it to your grandmother's house to show it to her. I was wondering if you could share with our listeners what happened next Sure. First of all I thought I was ready for a to be like an extra on living single or something like that like. I said, I was up there with with Queen Latifah. Enam. And so I made this dress in me and my boyfriend at the time WHO's now he's my husband we were going to Miami for like that was a big deal is my birthday he was taking to Miami. This is the first time I like went away with a boy. And I've showing my jam I went over to my grandmother's House I was home for the weekend from Howard. I remember her face when she looked at it, she was. Looking to seems like at the Ham, how is that instead of sewing anything properly like if it wasn't right, I would just folded under and then so a cost like seventeen times. So the ham was crazy nothing was cut on the bias it was just it was all kinds of wrong but I figured that's Kinda come to go saw right I thought it was linens. Linen stretches in strange ways when you saw it. I thought as long as I had it on nobody was going to be looking all like at my him or anything like that and I spent the night over there that night when I woke up the next morning, my grandmother had unstitched the entire dress in me sewed it. Together the right way. And she was I remember her saying you had so nothing over and over and I had to take all the stitches out. So she was saying, but she could not let that dress go as it was she knew that I was going to be wearing it on the trip to so she fixed it and I did get to wear that dress on my birthday your loved. That's a wonderful I love that story I love that story. When you were at Howard when you made the decision to pursue fine art as opposed to architecture. One of your professors and also a dean at Harvard. Jeff Donaldson. was also the founder of a movement called Afro Cobra, which is the African commune of bad relevant artists Yes can you talk a little bit about the Africo Brim Movement and what you learned from Jeff and your other professors? The Africa Bre Movement started in the nineteen sixties in Chicago and so the Dean of the School Jeff Donaldson, he was straight out of Chicago I think he was from Prime Books Arkansas but he had went to the Art Institute School of Art Institute, he and a whole bunch of bad enveloped in artists formed Africa over in Chicago, and so they they weren't just basically addressing the thing that here these young college educated artists but there's no aesthetic for African American art and there was the Harlem Renaissance artist. So I won't say that they came up with it. You know they were learning from the Jacob Lawrence's. Aaron Douglas Romero those men were still alive. You know in the sixties in very, very much present and allow them were professors at schools, John biggers talk. Texas huge huge influence on the black arts scene. So those giants taught my professors, but it seemed like my professors were more like in face. You know like I'm proud and I'm not backing down. Say It loud I'm black. And I'm proud where the African American aesthetic in the forties might have been like negritude. You know what I'm saying. So there was this sort of little more classy refined thing. They wanted to go to Europe into Paris to learn and they wanted to come set up their studios here in the sixties bump Paris we don't want the European aesthetic at all as a matter of fact will. Also. Support ordinary people. We WanNA talk about people living in the projects people who can't pay for artwork people who will never see Paris. So they went back in sort of took what they learned, and then basically turned up the volume and that volume you could see in the colors that they chose. They chose what they call the kool-aid colors and you think of Kuwait, it's cheap drink. It's four mostly poor people, and so they wanted he sort of transformed something that was looked at its negative in poor as something to be proud of. So that also spread into their artwork itself there they had manifesto and it was like your artwork should educate your people. Your people should be proud they should feel dignified. It's those were taken from Harlem Renaissance era and they also saying like We Wanna be cool about it. This is African communist bad relevant artists. So we're coming like really young recovering really strong kicking in the door and coming with their own philosophy and by the time they ended up being my professors they were my age now they were in their forties. Some of that were in their fifties and they were like adamant on impressing upon us in the ninety s that you have to take up dismantle are people are still struggling and we see that we're still struggling. Now you know African Americans are often miss educated in the American school system and they're not often taught about their history. So if you're an artist, you have an obligation to make your art accessible to the people that means like make a mural make. Like inexpensive posters and when are people look at our face should always feel good about themselves to counteract looking at the Brady bunch you know and you're you're not there or leave it to beaver and you're not there you know or straight up Tarzan when you are there butcher portrayed like a wild ignorant savage. So this is your obligation when black people look at your art is to refute all of the negativity that is being shoved in our faces by mass media. One of the things that I was so fascinated by in researching the Africa Bre. Movement. was. The notion of painting on black canvases instead of white campuses or using yellow to lighten a color Palette as opposed to using white Can you talk about some of those very conscious and deliberate choices and what that meant or means sure. I think at that time they were trying to almost be like. They wanted like all black everything. So to be even as literal as saying, you're having a black canvas. Now, what kind of pain are you going to paint on there? That's going to be vibrant enough. That's going to have the same effect you going to build depths out of this inky darkness, and that can also be understood like myself as a dark skinned woman, I would have been told. told. especially in the eighties don't wear red lipstick you're too dark for Red Lipstick. You never wear yellow because it makes you look to dark. You know you wanted to wear colors like I could wear blue or purple so I think that they were trying to. Me Invent would it is to paint in a black way in an African American way and as far as saying like you cannot use white to lighten his skin I mean you can look at that aesthetically even European artists in the buzzard tradition nate follow that as well some some. But by saying like if you add white when you're trying to lighten up a skin tone the. Person Looks Unnatural you know we all have bled running beneath our skin. So what if you use the light pink instead would if you use yellow would've used orange a you know just just that idea that white is not gonNA workforce aesthetically but there were also rejecting it like philosophically that we don't WanNa use white everything anything. We WanNA use all black in all colors all the time. Despite getting and Fine Arts degree in painting and graduating whom loud I understand that you struggled to connect with painting at that time and to find your own voice, what do you think was happening at that time? I think it just wasn't me I thought okay. I like art I like to create. So I must want to be a painter but you know when you're in high school high school art class, you have a couple of painting assignments, but it's not like you spend half a year painting. So I have never been in a studio course before and I would like look to the left. You know look to the right I remember the clue. Less kids who had their style already, and we're doing these funky things and I wasn't if the professor said paint the person next to you than that's exactly what I did. I was very literal and I wasn't able to just free style and go off in these tangents I. Remember one time our professor had a model she sat in the middle of the room and I forget how she pulls, but you know some kind of basic post. She sat on a chair was leaning on her hand, and so I painted her just like that, and then at the end of the class, it's a three hour class. You turn your campus around my friend sitting next to me she had put like Little Bantu knots in the model's hair. She had all these colors like popping out around her, and I think that was one of the pivotal moments where I was just like I don't have this. What she's doing I'm not doing and I might professor L, Smith. He was really kind and I expressed him I like I just not getting there and he understood that and he said, okay I'm GonNa come to your studio. Where do you work I said well, I work in the dining room at this house that I lived in DC with my friends we had about seven kids living in this house and Al came over one day and my friends are there like some of them are smokers. I. Mean like not cigarette smokers. some add like incense Coen, the hip hop music was it was just very nineties like whatever you can imagine they're walking in now and I'm working and I had on these funky lace pants and combat boots and alison why don't you use the parts of you in your artwork look at these funky close that you're wearing look at your friends like you should be portraying them. They're all like super gorgeous role in our twenties skin. Glowing. All Vegetarian. So we like peak glow peak healthiness and. He told me to look at the work of Romera. Bearden. Study, what he did with collage in use my fabrics in my artwork and it gave me an assignment. He said I want you to do a piece and I just want you to use fabric and I want to see what you come up with. So I went to the fabric store and I bought Orange and Yellow Velvet Red Satin Silk Satin ibook pink lace others was pretty Garish but. I. Put together this face it was It looked Kinda like African sculpture because every feature was made out of a different piece of fabric. And I was embarrassed to show Al at the end of class he he called everybody around and he said be. So let's see what you did. And I pull that thing out and he loved it is pretty bad I. still have it. But I, remember his reaction, he was a guest. Yes. This is what I'm talking about like. All right like all his nineteenth sixty slang or came out at felt like okay. I liked this I like walking between those fabric aisles I feel at home with this. So I felt like he had given me something really special at that moment. At that point you were still incorporating fabric into painting though is that correct? Yeah and that. See Al. he was the outlier. He actually I don't think he was in. Africa over and. A senior year and I had to come up with my senior thesis and might and I was going to have my senior studio review and I can't remember how many pieces. But let's say we add ten to fifteen pieces art work and I knew that it had to have some pain on there because it was a painting degree and there was mixed media but that wasn't what my degree was in and I didn't want to have to start thing all over again. So I was gluing on a canvas on board I was painting and then adding fabric pieces collage them on their almost weren't gonNA graduate. Me Because. One of my professors like I don't know what this is you're supposed to be a painter and this ain't paint and then l Smith and I think there were two or three who on my side he was accused painting she's painting fabric and then. It got so bad that in that review, they usually tell you right. Then you know you gotTa, I. Think the top score was saying five right like AP tests you've got a five you gotta you gotTa three they tell me I need to leave and go home. Because they have to deliberate on this much longer and they'll call me later in the evening. And I also was five months pregnant next time. With my daughter who is now twenty four hours to say you know what? I'm not going to be back in September I'm going to be a mom with a newborn. I'm twenty years old so I'm not going to be back some anytime soon. And I went home back to my house with all my friends and I do get a call later and told me. That graduate but I just remember even getting that Clyde and Philip tremendous sense of relief. I was just like whatever. They, regret that now who knows I guess? Because, you were five months pregnant with your first daughter at that time, you found yourself overcome with unbearable nausea at the smell of paint. How were you imagining your future? Not necessarily ever being able to paint again without getting nauseous without. Being sick. I was so into trying to be a good mother because I was so young and. I graduated I think may fifteenth and Emmy and my husband got married may twenty. So my whole mind was on, I'm going to be a mother and I'm going to be a wife and the smell of of oil paint is so strong. You know you have to clean your brushes with Turpentine using paint thinner to thin out your pain. Everything is toxic paints themselves like the names of them like. Salo styling, green and cadmium yellow like all that they're seriously toxic chemicals in the pain and I was reacting to it like even opening up a cap would send me like wrenching. So it was very hard to finish those last paintings. So it was emotionally, I was done with it and physically just couldn't manage it and then. After having that bad experience I remember thinking I don't care if I ever paint again. I guess I won't be an artist I can design clothes. So I was making clothing and sewing while I was pregnant but I really just kind of given up on the idea that I would have a career as an artist and then I thought I could focus on teaching and so that's what I did eventually after my daughter was a little bit older I, went to Grad school and I started teaching. You earned a master's degree in art education at Montclair State University but it wasn't until you were studying for your master's degree in education that you finally made your first quilt what motivated that and what was the topic matter? First CL- in Grad School was actually what I love about Montclair state was even I was graduating with a master's in teaching. They had prerequisites you We had to take jewelry making, which we didn't have it Howard, and we also have to take fibers and I would say that I felt like Howard didn't want those crafts courses because. They wanted this African American aesthetic but it was also this feeling like we wanted to get away from stereotypical old time Negro crafts fallacy that so I think that they felt like fibers quilting basket making knitting was something that people did on plantations or something that people did down south that was an uneducated thing to do. So I think they had this a little bit of an inferiority complex that didn't. Exist when I went to Montclair state a primarily White College, the fibers program at Montclair. St Louis Heavily, run by women, White Women, and so who the women's movement has a whole different different categories in different hangups in different things that they were pushing, and so they were saying like we're embracing women's are women's work. This craft work was revered and so they had pushed it that. Art. Student even if art education art history had take fibers and thank God my professor at the time. Curve Boesky was somebody who was very heavily into the craft circuit. I think she spent six months out of the year traveling doing crafts, fairs and. She wanted us to sort of dabble in all of the major fiber like surface design we did weaving weeded Felton, which I had never done I know so much fun. Shell. Too. Yes I love. Felt they do actually I've done quite a bit of art with felt felt letters or how did I not know that? because. It's just not even in the realm of what you do. It's fun. Isn't it? The feel of that wet wool? It connects there's something that is happening that I think is is going all the way back to you know when we were. Just humans and China, make our very first cloths. Yes and she had an assignment for us. She said you can make a quilt it can be at squares in geometric design or you to make like landscape. Or you can make a still life. Portrait she said you could still life. So I made like a little oven Mitt sized piece of corner of the classroom and there was stuff in there that we used in fiber. So it looked kinda domestic like there was a blender and I suppose maybe somebody was blending. Blended inks however was, but I did that and then I was like I'll case I can make pictures of realistic things was Fabri I wanNA do for the final project, my grandmother's portrait my grandmother's health was failing and she didn't want to get a kidney transplant. She wasn't there to dialysis. She was like I'm not doing any of those things. So she was getting very ill and I was painting her on the weekends and then when I finished fainting her, she hated at painting. Grandmother that resold your dress yet. She my grandmother was. She was raised with very high standards of she was a a New Orleans Bell. You know she wasn't real. She was a black woman from New Orleans but she definitely her ancestors were creoles and She hated the painting she said I made her look old and so while that happened I, thought, okay. Have that I make quilted portrait of her For Class I, consider my assignment I have my final project and I've am able to give something to my grandmother. So I use all the fabrics that the teacher had donated. She had some black fabric with purple flowers in my grandmother's name was violent. So the okay. This kind of looks like violence you bet you some lace, but while that was happening I was. Coming up with my own steady without realizing life that I'm using pieces of fabric to describe her. Not, just because they're pretty. And that portrait I still have it in my grandmother was so happy with it. She's delayed by the time she was bedridden, and so she would keep the quilt lakes on the bed, but she had to still have the tissue paper over. Just, like really sweet and and it was special. Because, she loved it. And and how I portrayed her was her wedding photo. So she was happy with the way she looks and I should have realized that to like who wants a portrait of them while you're at literally dying like that's not. I didn't connect I didn't understand. That she still had her own vanity and was still a beautiful woman. She saw herself not as the sickly elderly woman and so creating that like. Helped me to understand her as a person finally. You know when people die. In the pictures at the funeral or sometimes younger. Hence, they die. They're ageless right? It's perfectly fine to have a picture of her twenty or thirty or forty and so. I understood that of her before she passed that that's how she saw herself in. That's how she wanted to be seen. And I was glad that I was able to do that. That sort of kicked off my entire. Second. You know half of my life sort of reminds me of Lee Crasner is response when she first saw Jackson pollock str- paintings and said that he had found his voice did you have a sense of this being you know this moment this big breakthrough at that Taya. I for sure every wash. Oh, my God mother was so proud and so she made anybody who came to visit her look at the peace but. He was one of ten. So I have a lot of aunts and uncles and so all of their responses for like you did that. Wow, like they were really impressed my professor in all my classmates finally. Know everybody else had regular senior project. I busted that out by professor everybody was kind of like. Okay. This throw is on the next level. Yeah. I think they could see it in I can feel it to like this special like I. got it. I finally. Got It. Yeah. After getting your masters degree, you worked for more than a decade, a High School Art Teacher You taught art for thirteen years at the same high school you attended while you were growing up by this point you also had you were married. You had two children. When were you able to create art? Well. Well, actually I talked for ten years in North Public Schools which is more urban school district our kids there were really I would say a lot of their parents are going to economic hardship or at least more than fifty percent of them, and then the last three years I worked at my high school where I went Columbia. High School in Maplewood and Lauren Hill also graduated from that school Ciza went there if to Hash Muhammad the silver meddling. African American fencer went there. So that was so awesome to be able to come home again and. I. Was in the classroom where I was once a kid and my teacher he had retired like maybe four years ahead before I. got there but it was just it was a mind. It was like a real mine F. as say when you suddenly are in the shoes that you were as a child. And Also, at my time at the York public schools, I just had this idea that I would work fulltime as a mom fulltime as a wife fulltime as a teacher and I would give myself the weekends to make artwork. And I also that I will say that the African American community was affirming you know all of the aunties gather especially with quilts. As soon as you start making something, you know my friends would be like that's really good. Can you make me one? Can you make me one for my daughter in my coworkers? I made quilts for I think like maybe half the faculty when I was in Newark and then I would get invited to things. So my whole career sort of was like a word of mouth thing I know this lady who makes clouds and then somebody would call me and say I'd like to get an anniversary built done for my grandparents. Can You? Do that, and so I would end up having these little jobs that I'd be making close on the weekends and in the summertime. Thank God. My husband was so helpful. You know he would take the kids to the park when they were really small and then I could like. So on the weekends because you know kids, they don't care if it's the weekend. Is it's all about me all the time but these these are more than quilts piece. I mean, these are this is art I mean this is thelma of hours put into. Creating quilts. With. I would imagine minimally several thousand pieces of fabric and That's quite a gift. Thank you. I. Think that my father always saying you know you should your best you should do your best thing. Made me like that is part of my work ethic to, and then it's also that I knew these people so I didn't look right. would be embarrassed. So I would work really hard and I have an older brother will he passed now but he was the Hustler And He decided that he was gonNA take one of my quilt and sell it downtown Newark and I was livid I remember him grabbing the quilt and he had a kind of rolled up under his army was halfway out the door. He was like I could get one hundred dollars for this. I'll be back and I was like now I WANNA have my own galleries museums we're going at it. He's like you're not in the Gallery Museum this was rolled up under your bed when I leave it's right back into. So. He was right well hardly now you're work in museums and May. Force me, he put the my feet to the flame any force me like making these pieces for friends and family is one thing. But like exhibiting your artwork was a whole `nother thing. So my father was the president s Kiani colleagues in they had a gallery and I called up his HEAD OF PROGRAMMES CHARLOTTE. CHARLOTTE, can I have a show in the gallery? But I did that to prove my brother wrong brain not really because I thought that this show was gonna be says. And Charlotte told me to come meet her and I went downtown and went into the gallery was like after hours maybe five or six in my kids were small. They were running around in this empty gallery. And Charlotte was saying, this is the space you know you could have it, and then she said, but where's your art when you have and I opened my purse and I had this piece that had done in my aunt and I unfolded it. And I will never forget her face in her reaction. It was so good. She was just like. Like In your. Like, she had never seen my artwork. Didn't know what I was doing and she was so. Thrilled in. Happy to see the peace. And that gave her life this confidence I think she just thought I'm just being nice to the boss's daughter as she's GonNa put up some little things here and it's not gonna be anything, and after that she was like a hot thousand percent behind me. She's still like helpful in my life to this day and are hung up I think I hung maybe twenty pieces for the show and Sold. Sold everything. Although I'm pretty sure half of the things were bought because I was the boss daughter Molly must be very happy now. I think. So and I. But then half of the folks I do recall. Feeling was genuine they were happy to buy vs. At this point in your career, your quilts weren't life-size. Now they are What made you decide to feature the full body in life size? I started making my pieces bigger and full full-bodied I. Think when I started working with Claire Oliver. Deok, clear off a gallery in. New. York. The great thing about Clare's that she actually comes over and sits with me and my studio Kinda like Al Smith. While I didn't even realize it, you ask the question and actually visits with me in the studio trying to get the vibe of what I'm doing and when we first started talking. She saw my smaller pieces where they're all about poster-size. She asked me if you were to be full time. What would you do and I said, Oh, I would definitely make pieces bigger because I almost felt like the small pieces were they represented the time that I could spend on them. I had a weekend and I would have an art exhibit. Maybe let's say art exhibit at a local Church so I needed to make the sizes that I could complete. and. So even contemplating the idea of being full-time. Meant that I could make things full size. And I did experiment with making things even really really big like let's say a six foot tall piece sets only a person's head and shoulders and I found that that that size for me was too big. A I couldn't manipulate the pieces do I wanted to so then? I feel the bag and I thought okay I'M GONNA. Try? Making images of my friends children and I really wanted to impress clear with. What I have come up with right because she was. Thinking about signing me. So I asked my friends for semi pictures of the kids and I picked I think about five all the little girls were about five to eight. So I made these pieces and then the next time that clear came by ahead of these life size pieces of these little girls and I could tell she sheva land. I had hit the stride again like okay I got it. You know they need to be life size. I don't need to make gigantic and I don't need to make them too small for me the smaller it is the harder it is actually because you have to make those small stitches, ray the small stitches on I if it has twenty pieces, but you're using your eight and a half size piece of paper like what size is that is my cup. So. And I also found like life size makes it like to one like they're they feel more real to me were present. You also work from photographs and you often work from historical photographs talk about why you do that. I love looking back. I've always been somebody who looks at the past and is interested in it and the time that I spent with my grandmother her photos were bike in way. And I love hearing about my mother's life in Morocco. And hanging out with the princesses my grandfather was a US emissary, which is very like a black man in the fifties taking his family to live in Africa was not really it wasn't common I'll say that and because of that, they had a lot of access to all kinds of diplomats royalty. I love hearing about the photos and then my grandmother's people were creoles in New Orleans and that was like you know early African. American. middle-class free people in the time of slavery and after a lot of them were mixed race people and creoles had their own class. I. Did some research lately I found that some of my ancestors were actually slave owning creoles which is disliked. What the hell you know that that's a whole nother ball but I grew up looking at photos of black people dressed very nicely living middle-class lies putting their best foot forward in photo. So I'm very interested in that and I stayed as I. Transition from as a teacher in making quilts of my friends family I started thinking about, what do I want to portray and I started thinking about vintage photos in my extended African American family and not just African American. But African diaspora because I myself have roots in Ghana. So that's what I'm interested now. From vintage photos and then that that query. Has Helped me stumble upon just like. Thousands of photos to they're just unidentified in in the database is in the National Archives Smithsonian Archives it'll just say like, Negro, ballplayer or Negro Washerwoman or Negro school children. So that became the thing that I was like Oh this is not right. Because these photos a lot of them are taken in the forties, the fifties. Their families are still around even if the photo was dated eighteen ninety. The families are still around, but these photos are lost to them. And I start looking at a photo. Let's say I choose a subject right and I see a Negro Washerwoman I start looking at her now I'm doing one to one so she's life-size As I'm sketching it I'm thinking who is this woman? Who was her family? What was she really like and so I'm trying my best to pull it out of the photo and give her back the identity that is there, but it's being ignored or being Passover. Makes me think of the Susan Santa quote a photograph furnishes evidence yet? I think about it. Personally you know if if somehow. Like sometimes. So away old photos you've ever had a relative who past you gotta clean out their house would went on my photos were in Nair and it got put in a database Negro woman. Making art known Negro woman sewing about that. How would I feel about that? Just being written off as basically nothing you're almost like the spectacle or maybe we're almost back to the human zoos at that point you know I'm not a human being and how I would want an artist to approach my photo one hundred years from now. How do you find an pick and use the fabric in your pieces? Actually. Just went shopping today. So. That's a great question but I finally. Started, zeroing in on. What is my static? My mother and grandmother would dressmaker. So I use a lot of dressmaker fabric I go to local fabric shops and because I live so close to New York the garment district is just like my backyard so I'm getting brocades in Silk Chiffon. Silk Demise get the fine fabrics that I will. Using the scraps to make my Barbie dolls. Fantastic. And then I'm pulling my father's side, which is African Fabric In Ghana their famous for making this fabric called Kentucky, which is a heavy woven fabric and the European. Businessmen back in the eighteen hundreds came through Africa and they. They saw the colors textures but they were able to capitalize on that and make cheaper fabric in a lighter fabric called a Dutch wax I think they had Indian cotton and then European printers and then it was sold to the continent and it's been popular in Africa. Since probably before we're run and I use a lot of that in my pieces because the African women they don't just let's say they make fabric that has something that looks like oh. There's one it has this little wavy figurine on it, and then it goes to the marketplace in African women called that Big Lips. and. So that fabric is known as big lives and I don't know if you wear that if if you have big lips but it's like affirmation even though that was not the original intention of the European Printer, this is what it's called and then these companies like viscose. One of the big companies I think they're the most well known they actually will go back a name that piece big loops. there have one fabric. The print is called my mom Mary incompatible. or He's not willing. This but I love I. Love those names. That's fantastic. When I put that on a piece member I was talking about let's I found a woman of a woman Washerwoman, right? Maybe putting my husband is not capable. It tells the story also that there is financial strain in her life. So it's tongue in cheek. It's funny. But the African women like when I exhibit my art work, they know that factory and so they know what it means, and so I feel like I'm communicating like a coded message like the quilts were back in the day I'm saying something your use of portraiture is creating something truly new in the tradition of quilting and your now among a very small group of black artists including handle Wiley Amy. Cheryl D- Who are evolving a technique historically reserved for European aristocrats to tell the story of contemporary, black? Identity and. The subjects in your portrait's confront the viewer directly they're not just life-sized. They're also looking directly at the viewer and you've stated that the portraits include clues of your subjects, inner thoughts and their heritage and their actual emotions and even their future. How do you discover this in the subjects that you choose or do you feel like you're helping to create their history? Sometimes, it can come from close observation. I might be working on a piece that might take me four hundred hours. I have a piece, it took me fifteen hundred hours. So staring at anybody's photo that long you do start to see certain things I did a portrait of Frederick Douglas and obviously he's a known figure ray and he's an he's an orator statesman. ABOLITIONIST feminists. But when I was staring at his photo, I, saw this dark mark in the corner of his left by right where like the tier doctors and I was thinking let's that's interesting and then I went and I read his autobiography and he mentioned that he was once beat so bad. That, he almost lost sight in his left eye. So here, I am looking at this photo I'm seeing evidence of the bursts. capillaries you know in his eye from beating and it just made me see him as a human being somebody who can feel pain somebody who suffered in had these scars on him for the rest of his life. And that goes not just for Frederick. Douglass. Other people there those context clues must feel like a detective or anthropologists because. There may be only this one photo of his person. This photo was taken by documentary photographer. Or could have been taken in a photography studio, but the name has gone the location is gone. The family doesn't even know that this photo exists. What can I gleaned from observing it look at their close look at how they're dressed look at their nails look at their hair and so I'm looking at these things trying to figure out who are they really and what can I add? I. Don't always. Know I have looked at a photo of a man. Just said Negro Man Mississippi Delta and he's leaning up against a storefront. Maybe he's waiting for a bus his legs were crossed. So elegantly. And I called that piece, I am not your Negro after James Baldwin's last manuscript. Yes and it's also quite a good documentary now. Yes. Yes. Right. This man I don't know his life story but that just that elegant crossing his legs like that made me think i WanNa do a piece dedicated to all of those ex patriots all of those writers and philosophers and thinkers, and so while this van is not James Baldwin, there was something there in him it was a grace to him that you would not expect from a guy I mean he has holes in his pants patch up. His hat he has like a boater hat straw boater ripped. But I didn't put any of those things in there. I chose this beautiful Dutch wax fabric with airplanes on it because I wanted to say like this man is going places and he's been to Paris he's been to Lagos and I gave him a fixed hat 'cause I'm also thinking about him as a person who wants a portrait of themselves with ripped up close you know he wore those patch pants because that's all he had. But if he had a choice, what would he choose I'm sure it would not be. To go with the patches. This objects in your art also stand in defiance against racial stereotypes and you've stated this about what you want people to understand when they look at your work and I'd like to read this quote because I think it's that meaningful you right I want them to learn something if you're not black and young black boys on the street make you feel nervous I hope that it clicks that this person is human. He has a soul he has once and dreams and wishes I tried to pull all that in the Gaze itself and the Pos- so that people will be confronted with someone who was so human you might see them as an equal. Visa as an interviewer. One could be tempted to ask you to help white people try to understand what they can do to better understand how to do this. But I am really loathe to ask you to do our emotional labor. But I did want to share this quote in the hope that people might be able to just think about it deeply and learn from it. Thank you. Thank you. BC You've also stated that you've never been drawn to artwork that provoked sympathy and makes you feel sorry for this subject. Are there pieces of art that you're referring to when when talking about that? I think that any piece of our or any in that goes for dance a manuscript, a book piece of fiction upon if you're depicting someone other than your own people, right whether it be race or economic status or nationality gender sexuality. When you're outside looking in, you might have the tendency to sort of romanticize those others and I think it's so important for us to speak from the inside. Tell us speak up you tell the. World who are and what you are. So I'm sort of responding to many many pieces of artwork that I've seen. You know and I grew up in the eighties. So those you know those commercials feed a child from Africa and they would show black child with a go fly on them although we're not feeding the children intellectually in this country, not the black ones or the white ones by giving them a false education sense of self. So. It's just easy to look outside of yourself and say I feel so sorry for you but you're never looking inward lake. and. So I think about my figures actually before this quarantine always say I want to figure sustain us in the eye and say like don't feel sorry for me says I, feel sorry for you. You don't know what family I have. I could have a stronger family bond more love in what fulfillment in my life than you did in that you have now. And then it was just ironic that the quarantine hit and the Cova crisis and I'm thinking they might literally the souls of these people just looking like you don't know it's coming but don't feel sorry for me and this racial reckoning you know when I'm looking at photos from the forties and fifties or sixties for that matter and dig a while they had it rough. I think all of us I hope are sort of finally getting it like no, we have it rough and get our shit together. You have also used momentous events. And people to create quilts that comment on history and the stories that we tell about it, and one of my favorite pieces of yours is called the safety patrol. Mitch just been acquired by the Art Institute of Chicago, and we'll be in your upcoming solo exhibition beginning at the end of the year, and in the safety patrol, you play with our conventions and expectations, and I'm wondering if you could talk a little bit about the peace and why you chose this particular group of Dron and what they signify in the piece. That photo. was taken by a man named Charles Harris in. Pittsburgh And this was taken right I think one, thousand, nine, hundred, forty, nine. So is almost you know turn of of a decade. And I was attracted to this image of this little boy. Taller than the other kids with this cap on his head like he was officially as a safe safety patrol ballot on and he's holding back all of his little classmates from crossing the street and I think it's almost like six or seven of them. So. That's what initially drew me in this little man child who is in so much charge of his peers at that's what I do that I just collect interesting photos, and then at the same time, a Trayvon Martin had been. killed gunned down on a yard in his father's neighborhood. and. It was this big debate going around between black and white people a lot of. Things differently, one of my daughter's friends told me. I mean, it's so obvious. This obviously wasn't about race I mean, right? And I was just like my gosh, we're lake on different planets at this point and this particular woman she was a white woman who she had adopted black children to black children and I thought Oh this is tragically wrong now because you don't understand. That your children have a target on their backs just like Trayvon. So I was just. Really. Upset was sitting down watching the news of my dad I. Think we're watching CNN. And I was telling my father like how the kids going to make it. How can they live like this? Like being thought of as less than human that their lives don't matter that any. Person In car who proclaims himself to Be Neighborhood Watch can just kill them and not even be charged with a crime nothing. And my father was this is not your world for them. They will know what to do because they are growing up in this. and. It's not our world anymore is there's so they are gonNA have a handle this level of violence racism. And? It was felt like I was able to take a breath and be like, oh, chase's true. They will adapt in, they will develop methods to survive and. Thought about that photo that had found of that little boy. And it reminded me of that saying you know it's a child who will lead them. So the adults we can be confused and terrified, but they're ready. and. I was compelled to portray each child. Show that they're all individuals by the boy in the middle. His arms are spread out sort of like in a in a protective manner, but it's also sort of sacrificial like a crucifix. You know he's. Sacrificing himself if a car comes by, he'd be the one who would be hit because he's further out and he's holding the other children back. And all of the fabric I chose on them. I was trying to give them each personality. You know you look at their faces some are shy some are sleet some lick look like little tricksters and jokesters and I want people to see like each one of them are valuable. Each of them are individuals. Be. So, there are entire lives projected into the faces of those. People that are in your piece and I can't help it hoped that. The quilt can convey. That all black children need to be seen and respected and protected in looking at this work and one more thing I will say that the boy in the front I, put his safety potential belt I switched it out and I used a piece of Cantey on there, and that's sort of a nod to my father in Ghana canton was used for royal people, wealthy people highest team you only word on special occasions. So the way it goes across his body like that I, wanted to say like this little child is has high honors in he is somebody worthwhile. There are entire universes in every quilt you make. The lesson I want to ask you about is your big Solo exhibit that is happening at the Institute of Chicago. Later this year I believe that it's work that is moving from the Katrina Museum. Is that correct? Yes. That's right. At the Catania Museum and the Art Institute of Chicago working in partnership. To present my work from my very first piece, I'm going to be showing a piece that I made of my grandmother Oh. And then going all the way up to pieces that I just finished this past winter and it's about twenty five pieces in the exhibit and you'll be able to see sort of that evolution of me doing just faces in the in doing faces and Torsos and family friends, and you also see my style get more precise and even now to the quarantine working I've gotten better in portraying a minute emotions expressions very subtle and I'm really excited about it. I cannot wait to see it visa the writer. Christina Nap Ziglar's said this about your work. There stoic monumental full of reach detail in both the expressive -ness of the subject and the pulsating patterns there're voices in the fabric and they will be heard I love that WanNa thank you for sharing your voice and thank you for joining me today on Design Mattis. Thank you so much debbie. I've enjoyed it. I've enjoyed listening to your podcasts and drilled to find their beyond. Thank you. You can see visa Butler's work at her gallery's website, www, claire oliver dot com, and on Instagram at Beast Butler. Until October, you can see her Solo Exhibition of work at the Catoon Museum of art and beginning in November at the Art Institute of Chicago. This is the sixteenth year we've been podcasting design matters and I'd like to thank you for listening and remember we can talk about making a difference. We can make a difference or we can do both and Debbie. Millman. Attacking. The soon. Design matters is produced by her Fox productions. The show is reported in Non Pandemic Times at the School of visual. Arts Masters Branding Program and New York City, the first and longest running branding program world, the editor and chief of design matters, Media Zachary Pettit and the art director is Emily Weiland.

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