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Toronto's basketball moment

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Toronto's basketball moment

"Why did you all be changed his nickname from the process to Hulu has live sports up because who paid them lots of money? It's the most blatant form of advertising ever seen watch live sports news. Your favorite teams the biggest games on sixty plus top channels. Follow your teams all season. No cable required. Live TV plan is required. Restrictions apply. Learn more Hulu dot com. Are you ready? Andrew. All right. Three Hosie here, too. One. Hello and welcome to the hoop collect. Sorry. Hello, and welcome to the hoop collective podcast. We are at the finals, it is the morning after game one. The raptors are ahead. One nothing the city of Toronto is a glow. And we are together in a undisclosed location. It's always good. When we're together though, it's cozy undisclosed. Right. It is we were on a high floor overlooking a body of water. I can I can I can reveal that I could also reveal that Nick free Dell are warriors man is here. Not so happy to be up this early. Thing ever. But still, great to see y'all. I'm convinced the warriors bounce back in game two Andrew hana's here, but he doesn't have a microphone, so. So he does. Now, wait. No, he doesn't. Yes, he does. He's so we, we will not be confused as to whether it's Nick, if you heard Andrews, Nick impression. Oh no, I want to net. Give him your mic, Andrew and draw demand. Do tell Andrew detail. Wait. I quite. Mccain. So, since it's radio, we just want you to know all he did was puff his chest out. And then that was it is that the impression that have already that's lane. Can do it on demand. Clearly, the guy who's been coming in Toronto all year. I don't want to focus too much on the fact that he picked the rafters to win the title like weeks ago, but he did he did Tim Bontemps alot and the legend Jackie MacMullan. All right. Lay off that. Who's seen a lot of finals games? I loved that game because it was very competitive. I know that it won't go down in history as one of the great games of awesome. To teams playing great offense and playing great defense. And I enjoyed watching it a lot Jackie. Well, the reason I enjoyed it was because it was just different. Everything about it was different. I I've fallen into the trap of the Golden State's invincible pick them and six. Right. And. And there was every reason to believe last night, Toronto should win Tim. And I were here at the conference finals. I walked away. So impressed with them because they're so resilient. They can be down by fifteen points and they can come back and you believe that they can come back and, of course, is transcended but he wasn't in this game. And that to me was, what really made it special was, we always talk about the other guys the others, and boy, did they come through and Seok comes at transition guy. So I don't think that'll happen again. I don't know if you disagree disagree Tim career. So I think it's fair. It's pretty pretty young too. That's true. But you know, he needs to shoot in and around the basket. And he, he mentioned how he likes to shoot in transition that wasn't possible in other series. So I don't know that that will happen again. But I'm not sure even needs to happen again for Toronto to keep rolling. I don't recall anyone talking about Seok them before, Jackie and Brian. So do you guys just want to get a Pat on the back for Jackie on that? Well. Well, Jackie was in Cameroon and told the epic story of his entire life. One of the one of the great stories of all time, the legend snippy pulling out again for. Right. Website right now. Jackie goes to you go to Africa every summer. No. No, not every summer. But I went to Rwanda Rwanda for service project for shooting touch, which guys knows dear near and dear to my heart and Henry, Abbott our editor at the time. I said, look, I'm going to be over there. Let's talk about what should we do like it was literally that random and Henry said, well, I don't know what do you think? I said, well, what about Cameroon? I mean, there's Embiid is there and Luke Bob day at that time was more prominent in the league. And I said, and that kid from Toronto that I think I said his name wrong see a Kamar I mean, I don't even think I pronounced it. Right. Any sit. All right. Well, let's see. So Toronto Cain through Boston. So I sat down with POSCO and at that time he was he was rookie. He was he was playing a lot and then member. He went down to the league, which upset him greatly. And he was telling me about his mom and, you know, his was a sad story. His dad had passed away. And then he was telling about all his brothers who always wanted to be in the NBA. And he was the only one that didn't care. He was going to study to be. Become a priest, which he did not want to do that was his, his father's idea. I got to talk to the priests that had had his thumb on Pasquale because in the early going in the seminar, and you guys, you have to see the seminary to believe it the irony is it's about to Colomiers from Luke by Moody's summer palace family's summer palace. And the kids used to walk by there from the seminary and say, wow, I wonder who lives there and isn't. It turned out to be Siaka. Gms benefactor Luke Bob moon. They who discovers him in one of these camps. So the store you can't even believe it. But the, the that I talked talked about he was literally insubordinate by the end Pasquale because he didn't wanna preach. Many did everything he could to get thrown out of the seminar. He's got four older brothers. Yes. And or three. And they all were three maybe three they all played college basketball. Yeah. Baby was like, well, this is our last chance to get a priest Pasquale. You be the priests of the family. Well, exactly because he didn't care about basketball. But the other thing. It just makes my bones chilling. I think about it is. I interviewed this priest he was great about it was great about possible. But critical of them and two and then I came home and five months later, he was murdered this priest he was murdered in this little town of Bothia, which is in the middle of nowhere. It's in the campaign, not even on the map. Right. Couldn't find it on the map. I was a little concerned how I was going to get there when that trip was being planned. I they had hired me a driver ESPN head in the driver's, like, I don't know where even know where that is. But that's where Luke's family was so wonderful. They literally escorted me there and I spent the day with them in their in their beautiful beautiful. He he, we had a little podcast with doors Burke last night after the game which by the way we're going to do after every game cool now with doors. But sources Novon but anyway, she was talking about the post game interview, and what she did you know for ABC and PASCAL brought up his father, very important to him, very important moment. His family is here. I saw them after the game, some of his family. Most of them live here now. Yeah. He has a brother who lives in Canada. Okay. And his sister came over here and his mom now lives here. Now, he's from Douala Cameroon, Joel. And Luke are from Yonne day, Cameroon, very different to Walla is not as spiff easy as Yande and let me be clear. Yonne isn't that spiff either? Well, we'll be talking more about this in the future. But, you know, the, the NBA is starting a league in Africa. Yes. I know I was actually just talking last night to Monty mccutchen who's head of officials who's just been over there to try to solve the officiating. But we'll talk about that later. Seok them blew me away. I've told this story before I'll tell it again, because it's the moment. I went to a game this preseason in New Orleans. The raptors were playing the, the pelicans who was the second night of ridiculous. Back to back. The raptors had played the night before and Montreal which was a big game for them. You know, with a fan base there, if flew all the way to New Orleans for second on. It's ridiculous. Back to on the preseason. They had sat all their frontline, guys. They sat Lowery Kawai Danny green. I didn't play and see I come was going to be the only name that you've ever heard of who was starting and the pelicans play the whole team. They had pet several days off, and they had been owned four in the preseason, and they wanted to play well, and so Anthony Davis, play twenty five minutes. Twenty eight minutes scored thirty five points and PASCAL come dominated that game. And it was I think it was a Saturday night. Everybody was watching LSU. There was nobody at the game. There was no television neither side televised it. And obviously I've seen them play before because he had been in the in the playoffs against the Cavs games in you know he would play. The first eight minutes of each half never touch the ball if he did touch the ball was to pass it. And he got a rebound immediately. Throw it off to demar and Kyle good. Good idea that time. And I was like, what the hell is going on? And so he blew me away that day I would normally I wouldn't overreact with preseason game. But I and I, you know, Bontemps you were you watched them all season long? I mean, this is how he played not fourteen seventeen shooting, but he played like this all your crazy thing about this is that if you go back. Let's what I wrote about last night. When you go back when these guys went to Vancouver for training camp. It wasn't even guaranteed. He was going to start. There was like a four way competition between surge Baca, Yoenis, Tunis, OG, Annon, OB, PASCAL for the two big man, spots to start and PASCAL obviously won the competition. I think, oh gee started one game. But. I think Nick nurses are a lot of credit because from the very beginning of the year, they have let this guy play, then he's played through mistakes. And they've told him listen, you do your thing you're going to throw the ball away gonna make mistakes but keep going keep pushing yourself, be aggressive make plays. And there were times the last couple of series with brook, Lopez and Joel Embiid. On the court win pass cow would get in the lane, and he would do herky-jerky, spin, move and turn around he'd be staring at it beats stomach in lane and it really screwed him up. And I think you saw last night, in addition of being out transition, which was huge for him, even said I last night, the biggest thing for him was when he was getting in the lane, there was nobody in lane who was going to block his shot, and he got back to looking like himself again. And that, that's a huge thing for Toronto, because when he plays aggressively like that knowing Nick was saying last night, when he's their secondary guy behind Colli, and he's moving around and moving the ball and attack in the rim. It kind of makes them look like the team they were the second after you after they got Mark where they got all these shooters and he's coming into katainen passan and making plays and obviously played great last night. He is going to in most improved player. I. Suspect, he's certainly should. Certainly should he's due for contract extension. This fall. It's funny. How that always works out like that. What's he's gonna be very well paid young man here? So actually Larry told me last night, and I didn't use it because I was just a boot head last night, and I had all sorts of stuff and I couldn't seem to get it all in. Larry said me, well, he just worked so hard like he's earned this because he's the guy in the gym everyday and he's gonna make one hundred million dollars. Do you think it's a guy was always count? Is that a max player right there? I'll tell you what he's got. He's got a real shot at it. And I would say, you know, I think the, the raptors will make sure they get that done one way or the other. Because I mean this guy for all the all the talk about Toronto's teacher, who's going to be here. Who's not, you know, of Wylie's, what are they gonna do the one guy who was going to be here for sure? It's PASCAL Siachen because that guy is going to be there. The socked acquire the guy, they're build around for the next few years. And we haven't seen anything yet, we haven't seen anything I was there last year. He was shooting threes with the Pertile. Okay. And the backboards were breaking. I mean everybody was running for cover couldn't shoot. They did. Twenty one twenty one percent career three point shooter coming into this season. And look what he's done so that gives you an idea. The learning curve, I wonder if. Yeah. I think like in the past even the playoffs. It was like if you get a rebound in your standing two feet from the basket, that's uncontested. You can shoot otherwise Russell. Now they have like I said, Nick was like, you know if you get the ball go like he's pushing east grabbing grabbing going with rebounds and make it plays in it. He's been a huge part of why this team has been so good. I don't know the answer to this. And I've had months to, to ask. I haven't as I really wonder in the collide trade talks. You know, the Spurs got Pertile I wonder if the outcome was on the table hoop. My understanding, she was they would not. No. He was not. I don't think so. Either louder standing is they would not trade it, I like Pertile, by the way, say, they might not change them. But to get co I wonder. Well, that's true. That's true. There's always a price. You know, the Spurs always ended out of the park, but boy, what can you imagine how different things would be? Of course he may not have. We were talking remember. We were talking that night when that trade was going on. And we were like, wow, they're going to have to give up. Oh, gee, PASCAL give up. Oh, gee. Do you have to go PASCAL like that was like when they kept? I was I was, I was more excited about OG way, I was stunned that they didn't I if I was a Spurs. I would've wanted. Oh, gee because oh gee was terrific Bill. We saw we thought at the time one of those guys are gonna have to be in the train. And the fact that kept an oggi's Menaj sat wash year, he's probably going to be active in game two. I would say playing three or four but the fact that pass cows become this guy. It's just such a game changer know jeez. Good. It's just that he's been hurt. It's not, you know, he's just had no chance to prove show us congratulations. All we are ten minutes in, and we haven't talked about the warriors. We'll get there. I know you're worried about on just saying whenever the warriors and the Lakers are in the news. You're always talk about that off the top. We can't talk about the warriors when you're lucky, not to talk about the warriors about the words, you took Knicks Mike. This isn't it. Nick, the warriors were not even worried at all last night, totally chill like no big deal. We're fine. Wholey unconcerned. Well put. That's what happens when you win at the level that they've won over time. But do I was just going to ask do we think that's kind of a problem, though? Not yet, if they lose Sunday, shouldn't you be somewhat concerned after that game? Here's why I think they're not concerned. See I can play the game of his life. Maybe we'll have more. But that was certainly the game was life because all play great offensively even though he was as he's been in this playoffs hesitant at times. I feel like telling a Mark your max player shoot at big guys. So doesn't want to be a max player, but he just doesn't want. He's been a high level player in league for a long time. Oh, he's awesome. Don't act. Like you're you shouldn't be out there. They played a they played the Dame Lillard defense on Koa last night. And it worked. I think one of the most remarkable numbers Kawai only took fourteen shots. I mean, there were of course in game seven against philli. He took thirty nine right? But don't you think allies one of those players that does exactly what he needs to do? Yes. When he needed to do was distribute, right? And, you know, and the, the guys he passed you had big nights. Right. So that's why I wouldn't worry about that. Well, I, I think I think the warriors are saying, well we're we liked what we did. We liked to the co I was not. I mean quite still got to twenty three points. Because he was able to get to the line, but fourteen shots, Nick. I think they were probably pretty happy with that. And they're probably thinking, all right. Well in the next game, Siachen won't go fourteen of seventeen. He'll go, you know, eight of seventeen and we'll be much better shape than there's a difference could be. As I watched last night. They did the same thing. We, we mentioned the Lord stuff. But go back to game six against clippers. Lou. Williams is gonna beat us in that Houston series harden, is not gonna beat us consistently. They pick one guy. And they force everybody else to beat you and Jackie and I was sitting next to each other last night. And that's what they did. And they're going to say, can you do it again? The reason there would be some concern if you're the warriors, because Andrei Dala that lay just it's not right. He missed game four of the Western Conference finals against Portland. He came down funny in the last two minutes last night. He was limping a little bit walking out Steve Kerr. Andrea. Everybody felt okay in the moment. Get a couple of tourism treatments for he didn't like get intense treatment at the arena. He was out pretty quick. Although it doesn't mean he didn't go to the hotel and get something right? So something to watch for early on. How would you describe the? Outfit. He was wearing last night. Biggie. It was right. Or it was like it was sweater, the sweater vest and was bright orange. But it had like. It was it was cut. There were like somebody's taken scissors to it in creative ways I'd never thought he should have borrowed. Andrew Hans coat to go with Andrew has that coat. The orange strip I was thinking, Andrew's coach is a plaid raincoat, but it's got a little orange. But then it's it looks like he's got he's directing traffic because it looks like he's got like traffic. I liked that coat. I was all about it when he bought it. I gave him the thumbs up on that. He would look terrific. I'm sure you probably were looking how'd that Andrea sweater last night, but he Nikki wasn't like dragging his leg behind him. But I think the concern for me was. One of the things that I take advantage with the finals. I know where to go to see camera angles that aren't seen by the public, and one of the things that you and inside one of the things that happens is they focus on the benches during the time outs. So, for example, last night during one time out, I saw Fred vanfleet getting his right. Thumb really worked on in and they were checking it, and like Jackie holding up his arm Santhia neat like we was broken, or whatever that was not announced or anything so I saw that ended up coming right back in the game. So it wasn't an issue. They were working on dollars leg before that play. They, he was having some discomfort, or whatever that was the end of a bad night. Right. And the reason I threes, and I would have concern if I was the warriors, is I have said this a couple of times, I think this is the best defense they've played in the entire five-year run that they've been on the raptors defenses. Unbelievable. It's been unbelievable all throughout these play offs and last night, like Steph got thirty four points. I think yeah, but he got a lot of BS like getting the lane like jumping, the guy flinging up near can hardly. Get those real hard thirty was working really hard and like clay got some looks, but he had to work really hard and they're, they're not going to be able to score at the way they usually can score against Toronto team and that especially with Durant out for at least another game, probably, maybe a couple more games, like Audrey has an issue, especially like you just look. They've got, you know, Jonas jerem call out there. They got to we Kenny out there. It's just they're just going to have a really hard time producing the points there used to because this isn't like, Portland where they could kind of be down ten points going forty two twenty quarter out of still actually some of the guys that about your contention that this is the best defense. And of course, they're not going, they're not gonna buy into that, Shaun. Livingston was talking about okay. See back when they were playing Durant. That's fair. I mean is there but it's fair but, but the point I said the point is well in this postseason and he said, well, it's too early. We're, we're still going to figure all that out. And I think if I'm Steve Kerr, like when curry said, I liked the vibe. I'm thinking what vibe dude you just lost? Like how likes that vibe? So I do think there's a little, I think they're, they're I don't wanna use the word arrogance because I don't think that's too strong, but their confidence is their biggest strength and their weakness at times. And I think we saw it again in that game Nick, because they're just so careless with the basketball, you and I were sitting there going are you kidding me? Here we go. Again, here we go. Again. We'll take like you said they'll take you to transition really good is great journal got PASCAL sprinting down the court, and they'll get out and make play like that's so if I'm if I'm Steve Kerr. That's all I'm talking about too. I think I think taking away, Nick, maybe I don't know if you taking away from talking to their folks, it was like, we really liked what we did with. Kawhi and boy, were we not ready for the transition. So we'll fix her transition. We'll be fine. And that's part of why that confidence was still so strong last night is because in their mind. You make those couple of fixes you get clay to hit a couple more shots early. Get his rhythm going. You try to find some more space for Steph and you're right there. That said they've never been down one before. Now not on the five is it. I I'm under Steve and also never started their, their championship on the road either. That's right. And they didn't play their best now. I'm, I'm not if I'm going say whereas I'm not worried either. Sorry, I'm just not. You know, but I think it bodes well for us to have a good series, which is why I was hoping for coming in after we can do all these podcasts, this very cheery cozy room that we're in. Yeah. Can we get this? We get this room again for game five because there's going to be a game five, Nope. Okay. Sorry lodge intelligent. I'll be gone baby gun. Okay. I'm going to be putting on my treat turns and scooting on Jackie of so excited about one thing that I thought was interesting from talking to the Toronto people last night, and they would contend they didn't play. That great either. They thought they played well, but, you know, they, they expect to be better in game two, for example. And one thing that I thought was interesting kind of talking those guys, you know, especially if Andrei some issues, right? Like there was some thought that they might have to play the warriors me, may play DeMarcus cousins for in this series, especially because, like Jordan bell minutes at the beginning of each athlete. That's not really doing a lot and maybe DeMarcus, Jim something like what did you guys think of the way cousins looked? I personally didn't think you look great. But. We allowed to converse that he will let go okay, but he was unremarkable. They're worried about speed Nick Knight's. Go ahead. It was the movement. We're sitting there watching. Jordan, Bill start here comes looney and I'm gonna get a Jackie and I'm going is is he really gonna play at all right? And boom start in the second quarter you thought okay? Let's see what happens in what would certainly stuck out the both of us sitting there watching live is the, the movement is not there. Defensively is really where you saw it. He was he would try to jump up and, and kind of get in the way run back. It's just not there in as much as I think the warriors are proud of the way cousins his attacked rehab in the last six weeks, even get to this point. I think there's a part of them that are going. Oh my gosh. How do we how do we work this in right now? Because for what he is giving up defensively and mobility wise and conditioning wise is he adding enough to make you go. Okay. It's worth it to kind of run this experiment out. At this point in the finals, when, you know, my thinking all year, I, I never thought this decision made sense to signing this, the first time I thought I've heard you say that really. Yeah. That worked. And I think look like to your point. I thought he was better than I expected him to be frankly, because I was not expecting much given like you said, it's an impossible spot guy's been out six weeks. He comes back into a huge situation right? NBA finals game. Gets a great team. But yeah, I just think Toronto has the ability to attack him on defense so much, like run. But right. Yeah. Just run and run and run. Now, if you're going to counter that, right? Like maybe you do look at it and say, hey, like we have to find a way to get this guy going because we're just not going to score enough. And he might be able to get his first game back yet found out in fifteen minutes and fourteen points. Right. So like if he can even give you twelve fourteen points off the bench in fifteen minutes. You might have to consider doing that just because you gotta get especially to Kevin comes back. You have to get a certain number of points, somehow, and you might just have to live with somehow Moses even a bright. That's, that's right. Right. I mean the one thing that you do every time he's out that you do I just love the way he passes the ball. He and even in this game made to great corner right? And it was actually co in the corner for he actually did get a steal. I think two steals. They have to steal that great in that open floor. He had that nice little play. But I'm with Nick here. I just it looked to me, maybe we were we were just feeding into each other. But it looked to me like, Steve Kerr's like man, I gotta find a way to get him in there. But I'm not really sure I want to and it'll be interesting to see going for in talking to him two days ago today before the game he describes it as delicate. Right. But that's, that's should that should send up all sorts of red flags. If your boogie cousins that means I understand, I appreciate your commitment, but I always thought, even if he had stayed healthy throughout this whole year when the game was on the line in the you know, in a big game was cousins could be on the floor. No, he wasn't. I mean he's a Scituate with this team. He's a situational. Player, we might just be a situational payer player period at this point after his injuries too. That's the other thing like you just it's hard to know right? I mean we kill he's the big guy like that you just don't know how he's going to recover. I mean I thought that was the right time to play him in the game you go back to the Philly series. Surge Bacher struggles with big physical guys like that you could go in there and lean on him and get some buckets. But again it's like you said it's his calculus. Right. Can he stay on the court and not get obliterated on defensive pick and rolls and transition? That's going to be the calculus and it wasn't just the outcome. It was also Bach while for that stretch. Cousin was on the ball. That's when he got free up in this series is being planted, a very high level just from game one and the same issue have real Anna nobody as much as they'd like to have that defensive option out there, he's going to struggle because you bring him in and it's just it's, it's too high. It's like it's like getting your driver's permit. And you have to go with the Indy five hundred. You just you're out of position to do this. But it's, it's not even a commentary on DeMarcus. It's also just a kind of situation. Well, then, again, Pat McCaw. Eight more minutes, and more Powell I believe last night, which was something I was definitely not expecting and hit a huge. Yeah, norms, how just like it was not a factor at all. I was it was at a game plan decision. Honestly, I there was so much else going on less on. It didn't really dig into it. But that was a stunner for me. I mean, not only that normally played five minutes with it. Pat McCaw played seven in like I said he made a really big shot. I mean that three was it? You. Was it? You were there lead was four. Yep. He had just basically come in to finish the third quarter. Essentially, they were stealing a few minutes at the end of the quarter, and he had said three this other thing that, that the that the warriors talked about, they get up a lot of baskets in the, at the end of the shot clock, terrible, that's the worst kind. That's coat the coach wants to strangle you in that apps. So I think both sides, I think I think the raptors can look at it and say boy, do we give up a lot of second chance points. They're going to be better, you know, they're going to be. And then the then the warriors can say, boy, did we go up a lot of baskets in the last three seconds of the shot clock including that McCaw basket when we call hit that look. Oh, I think part of the reason, though, to me to your point is because they they knew that McCaw had a familiarity with this team. I mean, this was the warriors groupies. He's been with for a little bit before this season in all the weirdness with his contract. Jewish in, but it's Patrick McCaw, so I don't even know if we should talk about it, but he had one of the weirdest contractual years in the modern era. He he was restricted free agent. But for reasons we're not going to go into right now. Even if he had taken the one year qualifying offer that they had offered him as a restricted free agent. He would have been a restricted free agent again next year. It is a weird thing. It's, it's, it's, it's a weird thing on the salary cap. This happened to Matthew Della Vedova forgot about that delve. Dove ended up getting a great offer sheet from the bucks that the Cavs did not match. Right. And what does he now still making money, but he's back in Cleveland. This happened to CJ Watson. So it's, it's a very rare thing that happens to sections, like deep dive in this pod. Now, I know. But I could have is it better than than Nick nurses, three day one hundred seventy five thousand dollars contract with Iowa State. I think not oh my gosh. Story. Jackie as a story that's coming on Nick nurse that did it did. It pop ran ran today did run today. There you go. But yet you're all over the site by the way, Jackie how the story that came out earlier this week on that she's working on for a long time on dealing with pressure. What have Steph curry tell you in that story, Steph curry explained to me how he blew the two thousand sixteen NBA finals, he was talking about mitt? So member kyri comes down. Of course, we all remember hits the big three and he said his first visceral response was I gotta go back at him. And he knew it was wrong. A new later for sure it was wrong. So now he's bringing the ball up the floor. He's, you know that's all he's thinking about Draymond comes over sets in that screen now. He's got love on them all fired up because he's like, I got the mismatch I want, and but the shot clocks going down. And he, you know, that little move Rico's left and comes over to the right. He's got a little bit of space, and he's like the shot clock. The like any totally capitulates to rushing any rush. Is that shot? And every as everyone knows he misses. And he says to me. So now I think about all the time about, I should have gone around Kevin love. I would've had a layup. We could come down. We could have gotten a stop. I'd come down. I hit another shot we'd win another championship, and I wouldn't be walking off the floor thinking I blew this championship. So it's all about just how players can they train themselves to slow down the game to be impervious to that pressure that they all at some point in their careers. Feel and Kevin Durant was the star that piece to talking about in highschool at the free throw line. He goes to the free throw line to win the game. He's a sophomore in high school and lines up. And he's at the line, and he said and all I'm thinking is oh my God. What if I hit it will everyone loved me. What if I miss it? Oh, no. We'll everyone hate me. But if I make it's what I'm supposed to do and just all how all these thoughts, and of course, he missed it because he wasn't focusing, you know, wasn't as he said, keeping his mind clear, and how that just became something for him that he's battled with to the state. How do you keep the noise out? And just play, you know, Kawai had a humongous choke. In his first finals while things about Hawaii. You're talking about not rushing. Right. One of the things that blows me away about Kawais how he plays at his own pace. No matter what kind of lives, life is own patients. And we say that's she's a writer. You tell she took it to that. The comeback game six rayon three pointer. Right. The reason it was a one possession game was because I'm just a free throws in engine overly to Jacoby they, they beach, missed one. But I remember Kawai he he was on the line. He makes them both the games. Clenched. He had, if you can believe that he had a nervous look on his face. I remember. I don't remember. I do remember that even Jordan miss Jordan miss is first ever finals and a game one. He's got an open. Look on the wing. He takes it. He's like any talks about it in the story. Yeah. I think it's going down it rolls around. And then you got Michael Jordan. I it's not easy to get Michael Jordan interview. No, I just I ask him every couple of years just to keep us both saying that's the plan. Summer is almost here, and that means it's going to events season concerts baseball games playoff games theater. 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The first time customers can enter their promo code hoops. H O, P, S and receive ten percent off that first order again. Vivid seats didn't make this summer memorable. I have to Kevin Durant questions. What's the status and after game one do you think the warriors need him to win? See first off, you have two days off. You should read Jackie's story on PASCAL Siaka him. You should reject your story on pressure. And I haven't always reject always leading. I haven't read this Nick nurse story. Knicks news is a good story is in this, Nick nurse feature about how he had hired by state for three days and ended up leaving I was state, but made one hundred seventy five thousand dollars in those three days just for that story. You should you should check it out. I do not believe the derail will play in game two almost a matter what I think game three is going to be tough. And it's predicated on what happens on game too. I think if they're down to well, he plays if it's one one, I think it's iffy. What do you think Nick? Game three right now, as we sit here is if he's just he's not moving around real, well, Steve Kerr said repeatedly. He hasn't been cleared for practice and we've all been around this long enough when you have missed now about three weeks and you haven't really done much of anything it takes at least a few days to get yourself into a place conditioning wise, where you feel comfortable getting up and down the floor again. And I, I watched him walk through the arena during media day while everybody else is being interviewed in any just not moving well yet so game to no game three in a best case. But they're down to others going to be some is going to be a push for it. Injury calf injuries. Are really tricky. You can't rush it sound like you can tape up a sprained ankle and all. I hate this narrative of like, well you know, he if he really cared about his team. He wasn't soft. I mean bull crap should nanna with a capital S on that. That's such nonsense. You don't think this guy wants to play? Of course. He wants to play. And by the way, we have to you have to ask us after game one whether they need him before game one three months before game one three months after game one how do you not need Kevin Durant? It's such a nonsensical. Pipe policies whatever you wanna call it. It's just absurd. Can't can the warriors win the series of Kevin doesn't play. Yes, the can. But they, it's going to, you know, the thing, Kevin Durant brought when he came to Golden State was, they went from a great team like an all time, potentially all type great team that was going to be like, in back and forth series like the first two series. They ran right to a team that was basically the beatable and when you take away Kevin, you're back to the fifteen sixteen teams that were great teams that were in kind of back and forth series, except that they're now three years older, and Andre Goodall is older, and banged up and try and let me sinister years, older and even stuff. And Klay Andrey monitor three years older. And I think you saw last night like yeah. Their stuff, they could correct. Right. They could easily come back and win game two but they're playing a live team with maybe the best player in the series where the governor's healthy or not. And it's going to be incredibly difficult for them that they can't get him back to, to win because these guys have home court and they've got a great defense. And they're there. Locked in ready to go. It's the margin of error when Kevin's on the floor, on its talked about this, too, when Kevin's on the floor. They know that they can come in still make mistakes and win. And when he's not at that they have to play perfect, but you can't turn the ball over seventeen times. And you can't look around and wait for somebody going offensively. Because he's there in how many times in the second half in game one where you like all right? This is where you'd hand the ball to Kevin I sell and say, go get a couple of points. Get us back on track, and he's not there and it's, it's going to be really interesting the next few days, how that narrative plays out because he's going to continue to get his work in the words keep saying he's improving but he hasn't improved point where he's cleared for practices yet. So in a best case game three but the more and more, I, I, I hear and I watch I'm thinking it's probably game for well, one thing, I wanna point out is Steph, though it wasn't a. Aesthetically beautiful game had a good game. You know, he worked very hard clay had twenty points, twenty one points, I think actually not a great clay game, but he didn't go three. A fifteen Draymond had a triple double again. It was not a signature drain on performance but to say that he didn't play well is not accurate. And yet they got beat now they can play better. But don't diminish. The fact that everything's just gonna be peachy without Durant. But you say dream on it wouldn't be accurate to say he didn't play well, I think it would be accurate to say he did not play well defensively, and that's to me is the heart and soul of who he is. And he was the first to admit that his transition defense allowed Siachen young player like likes and he, you know, Tim is right. He really struggled in these earlier series with guys like brook, Lopez's, and biggers bigger guys that really Ford at him in the key and prevented him from having a comfort level. And at this time of year. That's what it's all about especially if you're a young player who's never been to the finals. Who's we just talked about with be a priest about five years ago, you don't want you want to be in a place where you, you are as comfortable as possible, and that was the biggest error that dream on made in my opinion, he led him get comfortable. And once you start letting a player get into a rhythm we've seen the thousand times, it perpetually of what he if possible phone the pressure, he showed none of it. He was he was comfortable that I three he hit on the wing was really huge shot. He really at times in the last couple of series. In addition to being afraid of those guys at times, he also is afraid to shoot and they were times to be wide open, especially in the corners on the on the left and right wing where he kind of go like that. And then he'd dribble around and drill around nobody within ten feet of them wouldn't shoot. And for that shot to go up in right away. You could see he kind of took off after that, because then like then, then that was like the last missing piece, right? Then it all came back and obsers downhill from there for. Him before we go the feeling on the city right now is it's awesome. This is my, let's say this is my tenth finals. I felt I felt that in this in the I felt it in here last night, and you've been more than ten finals Jackie I think I have. Yes, double that. Plus, a few I think I've lost track the, you know, it's a, it's a Pretty Woman when I left the arena last night at one you guys left. Laughter me, people were still honking, their horns on the street on a Wednesday on a Thursday night. Well again I go back to us being here for game six right? Tim. It was just it was like they had won the championship, and the thing that was funny to me, as I will say, this is far as they know they will orderly. I don't think there was any violent cards or none of that going on which I love good for you. 'cause I like like the Canadians already better for that. Because in my town when they win or lose crazy things. But, but I was well I you know as the roads were all closed, and I'm trying to get back to my hotel, and I'm not a hundred percent sure where I am. And I'm going to ask the police to help me where they're taking selfies with those guys who would poke through the cars, and you know, it was, it was a wonderful vibe, and it still is. And I had this debate with Isaiah, Thomas and Jalen rose, who both were you know as as an executive here. Jalen rose played here. Yes. Everyone does want to speak of that time. The only in this context, is this a hockey city or is it a basketball hockey? And but Jalen said for the first time ever, he really believes it's the switch has been flipped and of course, it has because the Toronto Maple Leafs haven't won since like I was in diapers. So, and that's a long time ago. So imagine that just think about the enormity of that, that obviously hockey is everything in Canada. And yet, somehow this has become a basketball is amazing. Little socio economic looking into this, but the young people in Toronto, which are the diverse population in Toronto is way into basketball. They are. That's the Chand the hockey is sort of the old guard even though I was a young fans but it's more the old traditional smart. Whereas the young people of this, and Toronto as most major metropolitan city centers are is younger. So maybe. Not in the greater GTA. Is it ball basketball? But in the heart of Teo basketball is king in here right now. Basketball is king. I think one thing to note is that it like Jackie's, right? The atmosphere. The other night was incredible. For game six. It was incredible last night. Right. The cities but on fire about this team. But that being said the thing that I thought is really interesting about this raptors team as you go back to November, December January, April even the last couple of rounds. They have been Kyle life Skylar sell the time. We're staying level all the time the way lower we didn't have the best game last night. Come on shoot seven for twenty two colleges. Looked to me like he was in a hurry. Didn't he? In one basket, and it was a miraculous shoddy thrilled the crazy. But but they all year long they've been preaching. We're gonna stay level headed all the time. And after game six the whole city is losing its mind and you are in the locker room and it felt like a nice regular season win. Like they were not pumping their fists. They were not celebrating had like the hats on and stuff. But they were not going around running around and I think I've said it a couple times. And I think we talked about it, this team reminds me of the Mavs in two thousand eleven where it's like this collection veteran guys who all have kind of like come together at a certain point. And I know they got a couple of guys that was a great defensive team two thousand great defensive team at Shawn Marion and, and all these guys, they have their star was red hot star was red hot. And it just was a bunch of these guys who kind of, like they could see they could see the thing they've been chasing for a long time, and you got search box play ten years Kyle hours play tenures, Mark assaults with ten years in the league, they just have all these guys who been chasing this for a long time. And I think they can. They can taste it and they can see it and I like for all the excitement that's around them like those guys. They're very confident they can win and last night in the locker room. Danny green was the guy saying to everybody just one one. Right. Just let me ask I have a question for you. So we were talking about Nick and I were talking about this last night during the game. So let's say pigs could fly in Toronto, the Toronto Raptors win. The championship does that make co I stay or does it make it easier for him to go because he said, people we, we the north you have a championship me the west. Is that what do you think will? They forgive him for that, like at work. I so I will say at the beginning. I think Kawhi, you know, nobody really knows quite what is thinking. And I don't even mean that in a joking way like the raptors like p keeps keeps his own counsel all the time. But I have thought the whole time that regardless of what happens during this run at all. I don't think it's going to have much of an impact on his decision. And the reason I say that as I go back to his very first press conference in Toronto back number finding guy, and he was fun guy, and he was asked about what his goals are, and it wasn't like to be calm, Michael, Jordan, or to win championships. It was, I want to have a long career. And I think his to me, glides whole focus is on how can I have a long successful career in the league? Right. In namely out, can I stay healthy and I think more than the the playoff run they've had more than everything else that's gone on. I think the biggest selling point Toronto has. Alex McKinney sat down with Kawhi. They created a plan to get it through the season and have them ready to go on the screen Scott in the NBA. Oh, he's awesome. Isn't he just light and smart man to by the way, super smart? It probably a lot of people thought for a long time the best trainer in the league. And you, you look at the Waco is playing now and how he looks and he's able to he's been able to get to the season. Have incredible playoff run. I think more than all the other stuff that's gone on, I think that if he decides to stay, I think it's going to because of how Toronto has treated him and managed him and got him through the year and showing him. Hey, you know I don't I don't think he's gonna play sixty games every year, I would guess that would go up last plate nine but I think like, hey, we have you on this path. We have you on this training program. We got through the year. We can try career as long as possible. Let me play devil's advocate with you based on what you just said that this doesn't have any bearing on what his on his decision to me, that means he's going on. I guess because he, he never made them. Any promises still haven't made them any promise. And when I did this story in Nick nurse. L D Miller and his old coach and all these people that talk to Nick all the time said that, you know, of course, they ask him, just like people, ask us Tim, where's, where's Kyrie going? I don't know. He doesn't know how my supposed to know and all Nick, nurses friends would ask in that, and he would tell them all the same thing we can't worry about that now because we don't we don't know. I think if you truth serum, a lot of people in Toronto think, oh, I think, I mean, this clipper thing is real, just like the Katie thing to New York Fiji real. And I, I guess my question is, how does Toronto view if they win any bolts? Are they good with it? I think they'd be fun. Is it kinda like LeBron winning for Cleveland? And this has been a crusade of mine, in Cleveland that has fallen on complete deaf ears. I've begged the city leaders to embrace the two thousand sixteen championship the way the Portland embraces the nine hundred seventy seven spirit of seven. Eighty seven you ask any blazers fan even if they hadn't been born for ten fifteen years, they all know what the spirit of seventy seven is I think that they should I think that the, the clinic Cleveland should immortalized the day of the parade, they should have more lies that team. I realize it's a little bit early for that. But they do nothing if Toronto would somehow get three more wins. How would be what this moment would be for them because I don't see this as a everything has come together here for them. And even the fact that the warriors are dinged up that, that Durant is not right. The cousins is not right, that, while nobody was paying attention, and I know nobody was paying attention because people who cover the league for a living made plans, ten days ago, thinking that the warriors just assume that the warriors had home court. Nobody paid attention the Tuesday the last day of the season where the raptors slipped in there and clinched, it was a footnote in the NBA, right? Yeah. The raptors clinched a better record than the warriors. They just moved on good point. All these little was by one game all these little things, and they want to know against them. Earnt. They literally earned it against the warriors going to winning that game. I know that there's dozens of other games but winning that game without why? In Golden State. Got them home court all these little things that have come together in them this moment in time. Maybe it works. Maybe it doesn't give him a side of credit right? The biggest gamble ever and, and bring in Consol at the deadline besides done a lot of right things. You saw hiring Alex McKechnie how long ago, six years ago, I actually deserves credit for that. He is the one that brought him here, but my captain here. Right. But making that higher calling to trade Kyle Lowry to the Knicks. The, the trade was at the one yard line. Jay, jay. There's no right. Not having it happen. So many things have happened to make this moment time happened still may not happen stuff. Mike, go for forty five but totally could happen, we could we're excited about. Well, I'm exotic cited about the series going forward. So Nick Fidel no way. It's Andrew, who's speaking hard to tell you guests. And listen, our final slots, I just want to go back to one thing, Jackie said, I don't I when I say that I I don't like I don't think it means that he's gone. I wanna make that. Clear. I think he might stay, but I think to me, I just think the over the biggest point I think, in Toronto favor is how they've managed his health. I think I don't think this stuff hurts. I think it helps. Right. But I think the overall to me, I think Toronto's checked every possible box with Kawhi, and I think, oh, so do I the question of whether it's enough, right? And that's the thing nobody knows. I mean, I think if if, if he wants to live in L A, I think he'll go to LA and the raptors will go to sleep at night, saying, hey, you know what we did everything we possibly could. But I think if it's anything beyond that I personally, think he's gonna say because I think they've earned his trust, and they've got him healthy. And they've, obviously built a great team around him. Who knows maybe in a couple of weeks. We'll be here and they'll move the one at title, and they had to move on from Tamar to rose, and they had made that decision anyway, I wish boy, I wish I could say some of the things that I was told. I hate it when you do that. Brian shenanigans again say it or don't bring it right. Who's in favor all saying, count look outfits the I am. I know all these people that tell me things, I'm not going to tell you in the gatekeeper. It's been an incredible time to be able to talk to the raptors there. They're an amazing moment where they know where they've come from. Maybe they don't know where they're going, but they know where they've come from and. It's laughable to think that number one that anybody criticize him for that trade and to that they felt like the team that they had was like a championship team. No, they knew it wasn't and think about also firing twin case, a very popular guy here who is still very and, you know, let's give Dwayne Casey some credit to he's the one that helped bring Pasquale along, but not only firing the coach of the year, but having Mike Gooden holder who's the coach of the year this year. Probably right sitting in Toronto wanting the job could have had them and messiah saying, not only my firing Dwayne Casey, but I'm not hiring my button holder to hire the G league coach. I mean he wasn't in the jail, and it was the second interview he did a second interview with Nick nurse in The Wilshire hotel in Beverly Hills and Nick nurse laid it all out from five hours. That's a long time guys. And laid out who already knew him. He was a work. He worked for him. But everything he was going to do from training camp all the way to. Yes, the NBA. Finals because Nick nurse believed that could happen, and he took them through step by step, every single detail. Do it blue messiah y. Hiring used to be hard, multiple job sites. Stacks resumes confusing review process. But today, as you know, if you listen to this podcast hiring can be easy, and you only have to go to one place to get it done. That's ZipRecruiter dot com slash collective ZipRecruiter. Sends your job to over one hundred of the web's leading job boards, but they don't just stop there with their powerful matching technology ZipRecruiter scans thousands of resumes to find people with the right experience and advice deal fly for your job as the applications come in ZipRecruiter analyzes, each one and spotlights the top candidates, you never miss a great match. 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They go from eleven to number four and Brian, I think you've written this now suddenly, they may be the best option for the New Orleans pelicans to get Anthony Davis. Don't think the Knicks if the Knicks really want him and go all in. I think the Knicks well depends on what happens with the Nixon who ends up with the next, right? Because Anthony Davis isn't gonna stay there. Unless somebody else is there to play along. The timing is difficult. It is difficult. But anyway, my point oh my, my point is only this, the one thing that has changed for the Lakers. And we're also busy piling on. Is that that number four pick is so much more valuable than a proposed eleventh? Nick, and it puts them in a different position in terms of making a deal, and they will trait that pick wouldn't you all agree. That that's they're, they're gonna try their best. They have to. I mean they've got LeBron. They're, they're trying to win now not later. What I'll say is. We just talked about the raptors in their build up and everything that had to happen to build them to this point. Right. For the concept of the Lakers are gonna make one trade or make one signing everything's going to be a. Oh, I'm not saying that I know it's in it, but the Lakers are positioned better than almost anybody to turn it around. They have is saying that for years turnaround, what they continue to continue the car off the road and into the water fair for an overheated do it. They will not. But they have LeBron James. Who is really good. He's really good. And they missed the playoffs last year. Why? Because they were incompetently run, okay. He was hurt too. They would seventy lane and cap space, which I know it's not a great year to have casper because a lot of people do. But it's better than being capped out and not being very good. Like several teams in this league are. Three houston. Right, wh-. Who would you rather have the flexibility of the Houston Rockets of the Lakers? Come on now. That's a whole nother story from apps. Another day Andrew, but the Houston, what's going on, at the Houston Rockets, to me is far more fascinating. The Lakers three that's in the city of Los Angeles. They have they have a lot and you know, they have the number four pick. They say they'll already. I think they have they have things going in their direction except this perception is reality at times. So that front office to me is still not. It's not it's not cleared up. And that the one that one thing that backs the story really did, I think, was essentially, this idea of who is rob Pelinka. What is his credibility within the league? And these these fanciful stories that apparently he and I don't know this fact, but it's reported such that there were not only stories that were in Belgium, but they were perhaps even fabricated that's a little worrisome. If I'm Jeannie bus. All right conspiracy theories about. About that in Kobe, and Pelinka are not really talking about it. So I can understand why they aren't. But there's there's conspiracy theories that he may have actually had dinner with ledger. But it wasn't about that movie that may have been a different movie. Right. I mean, it just it just seems to me that, that's the one thing you need to be clear, as who's in charge. How does the hierarchy work? And is it just rob Pelinka? Are they done hiring is there? Nobody else coming into that front office that to me is one of the most. Okay. So that to me is one of the most central questions of your franchise going forward. But general managers have bad mouth, throb directly to me with no problem. They've called him a liar and everything. Right. But I mean, isn't that what happens is in the liars business? Sure. But I mean I'm just saying perception and reality, you're right perception, and reality, I, I don't my dealings with rob. Pelinka have been very. I don't know any of these things we talked for ten years at one point because the Carlos boozer, right? But I mean I all I'm saying it's if it's if it's an issue if it's continuing to crop up the way it is. And certainly Irvine hasn't helped that by I'd always see on our ESPN payroll soon. I'm not sure I love the random guest on the pot. I think we're getting Kendrick Perkins, by the way. Can we try to say that? We think we've got him. He wants to join our pod Perkins. Great. Yeah. So we'll be trying to make that happen voice. For audio we'll make you say that Ryan. I, I really enjoy working with PERC. Okay. Nick, I did this quickly with the Lakers. Why would any player perspective free agent go there right now given the circumstances, unless they just wanted to be in Los Angeles. Wanted to be covered by Dave mcmanamon. Or how about you want a max contract? Like, if you exactly the let's just say, they don't get Durant. Kyrie who I clay, or collides just say the four case, let's say swing and miss on those aren't they great consolation prize for someone like we've talked about this before, Kemba Walker who may or may not be off easy. He's eligible for the supermax. It does not mean that a small market, like Charlotte is going to pay him that. So Chris Middleton, you know, maybe I'm going to use constellation pot prize in quotes because those guys are talented players their frontline players. They're great home run for the Lakers. They could get Kemba Walker. I, I mean I would be that's better than I thought they were going to do. Well, let's see if they can. That's all. Be Butler Jimmy Butler. That's still makes a lot of sensory, who's wanted to be in Los Angeles for years. But this is the whole issue of the Lakers will give him a four year max, but this is the whole issue. Let's say plays out in Jimmy is the guy that they ended up landing on, and they make the numbers work Jimmy in an aging LeBron. I'm much better. Are you? That's the thing. And he also if you if you use your full maxima player like that, that you can't get out of an ear. What if Anthony Davis guys available? So let me ask you this. If you're the Sixers do you max up to me Butler. I've been talking to some executives this week and the executives, I think now believe that the Sixers will, I believe they will from what I've been about the fifth year like full guarantee. That's okay. And if you see I think the one place, Jimmy Butler makes perfect sense, is where he is right now because say what you want about him and he had a crazy year and it cost him. I think being part of the all MBA, you know, first second or thirteen discussion because of all the commotion he caused. But he and Joel Embiid figured it out. They figured it out together. They trust each other Joel openly says he's are closer because it's hard for big men to be closer than at the end of a tight game. We know that Jimmy Butler been there guy. He makes sense there. I fire the Sixers. I would give him four years. I wouldn't give them the fifth, and I would tell Jimmy you should be happy with this. We're going to build around you and Joel. And then we'll see how everybody I don't know about Tobias Harris. That's another story for another day. It's gonna be expensive are. We'll be talking about that a lot. The bosses came to me yesterday and started talking about free agency and draft planning and I couldn't take it, but it's reality is around the clock. Okay. We have more pods coming up. Thank you for listening hoop collective from Toronto. We will be talking to you after game two and then again early next week have a good weekend.

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"Out. That's his third travel of the night. Normally, I get on this case for being a complete school. But tonight, I'm chilling. Stephen what's gotten into you. I know usually I'd be off on a ramp right now. But I gotta tell you this vivid seats thing has got me completely changed one hundred percent authentic. And I got these great seats yesterday on a good seats at stress-free. Wait. What are you doing? You. Put mayo on my hotdog. What's the matter with you? There's the old Stephen we know. All right. Are you ready? Mr hahn. I am ready. Mr whitworth. Okay. Here we go three two and one. Hello and welcome to the hoop collective podcast. We are deep in the first round the first rounds almost over. Interesting things happening got the eighteen here. In Boston is Jackie MacMullan and in Dallas taking a respite after covering the jazz. Rocket series is bands McMahon. Jackie were recording this late Thursday night. And that's been a a sad night for you. I would assume. Yeah. Honda doe. John havilcek passing tonight. Yes. And I challenge anyone to find someone that didn't like John havilcek just revered by his teammates. Because you know, he was a six man before we even know what it's six man was was a hall of Famer doing so. And the thing that I just everyone always says about him was just wore you out Brian because he run circles around your baseline to baseline in impeccable condition. Never hear out a place. It's it's funny. You know, trying to talk to some of the old Celtics tonight. And that that's one of the reoccurring themes that hurt the jersey Hong just so, you know, max shared a Senator Maxwell showed a store with me about watching him. You know, take the same lay up in the same layup line before every game and then leaning against one particular side of the stanchion. So max was in his first year and have the check was in last and he figures while I'm going to start doing that and have chips has stopped doing that. And Mak says to them. Well, what the heck, you know? You're. A whole Famer I'm going to do whatever you do. So. But obviously, you know, having check stole the ball one of the most iconic moments in in sports history. But he was more than that. Really? He was because he was such a great defender a beautiful shooter and a guy that just could run all day long, and where you down to the knob. And but more than that. I never covered John. I was still in college when he ended his career, but he was around all the time and he treated me with such great respect. And I thought my goodness. I know why I'm treating you with great respect. I have no idea while you're offering me the same. Well, you know why? Because he was a gentleman he was just a wonderful person that gave everybody the benefit of the doubt and everybody here is really shaken tonight on all he has been ill. But I don't think people expected this. So it's it's really a bad day for everybody here in Boston member. Seventeen number is hanging in the rafters also wanna finals MVP, which I did not remember slash no. Until I saw the open tonight. That's thing. You know? 'cause he you know, there was so many great players before him during him an after him. He and he was fine with that, you know, but it's your mind reminds me a little bit Sam Jones in that regard. There were so many supernova players on that on the Celtics Cousy Russell bird on Haning. Overlapped with all of those that it was easy for someone like him to you know, to get past me. He's a four time all be first team player. I mean, and this is the game off to pick up the bench for nipping mountains career. So well farewell to Honda com. Share the Celtics will have a water him in the first home game that gave three. Well, move past that for Dow McMahon minute ago, you would just tell us here in Dallas tonight. But you got to go to San Francisco tomorrow. Why is that, sir? Well, the rockets, you know, dare Moore's math guy, and they're playing the probabilities, and look I mean, really the the fact it's such a quick turnaround between series not for them because they've finished up there isn't five but for the warriors or clippers whoever comes out of that. Well, there's certain if if it's the war is it put the rockets in this awkward spot. If it's if the words close out the clippers on Friday, then game one is Sunday afternoon. Twelve thirty specific specific Pacific time. Civic specifically's twelve thirty Pacific time. And so they want to get out there. They wanna get adjusted to west coast time they wanna have a practice in the oracle on Saturday. These were the plans that were in place before the Clinton thirty sector were out here. Let's say that the the clippers win game six are they still going to practice in oracle on Saturday? That's their plan. And unless the warriors unless the worst veto they'll practice in the bay area the plans that they're practicing and oracle on Saturday. And so if that happens the practice, they hope in the in went oracle, perhaps in, you know, another spot in in the bay area. They'll stick around the probably practice. I assume they'd have another practice on Sunday. And you know, I it would be great deal. It was like, you know, sometimes in in in March madness where you have the the team that's already one that comes out and watches the the other two team. That's what I was gonna ask tiny like if the clippers win well first off Jackie I guess, I get it. But have you ever seen this before? I have never seen it. I feel like. If they did it. They just didn't announce it. Maybe the problem is it's going to get out because I'm asking, you know, John from Houston chronicle where hey if an MBA. They're going to have practice. If depressed have to have access if the NBA team. It's an NBA team is in town. It's not it's going to get out. Sure. Twenty nine hundred Jim blame the rockets. I don't blame them. No. Because because the the alternative is you wait. Okay. Well, let's watch this game on Friday and a late tip. So then you can't and then your whole Saturday is a travel day. And then you gotta turn around and play on Sunday for them to give themselves the best possible chance to be prepared for game one. This is the way they had to do it. And look if if I mean, what are the odds of the clippers come back when the series the pretty slim, but if that's the case, then the rocks is packed backup head back to Houston. And they you know, they they they'll host the clippers in game one now as far as the perceived disrespect all that stuff. You know? It's it's awkward, especially given the history and some of the ties between the rockets and clippers, but if if the clippers really have a problem with it, then the next time the rockets Siham, they can send Austin rivers through one of those secret tunnels, and he can talk to it can talk to his dad he can talk to his former teammates and hopefully smooth things over. Well, there's any secret tunnels in oracle. Because maybe all three teams like you said like. Like jackie. What's the etiquette here? Let's say the clippers win. What's the etiquette are hard? Chris Paul sitting fourth row on Sunday or you keep it a low profile. Oh, I'm not the game. I'm not saying. Of course, you are. I'll say this. Those those tickets pretty expensive those words playoff too. I think maximum contract. I think they'll be able to get the well, that's right because Austin rivers does have a hookup there. So. So all right, then. Yeah, com time yourself right down that doesn't mean we turned into an R rated. I hadn't even thought about the rivers connect. No, I'm saying from his his dad can hook them up with targets. I know. Now, let the let me ask you this question. Jackie we know that duck has and I don't know if he was the first to do this. But he's a first I ever heard doing it. Anti Lou did this because he was with dock with when the Cavs were down three one and they won game five and oracle. He took the doc. Rivers thing took one hundred dollars to everybody put it in the ceiling. Yeah. Coming back to get our money. Now. Here's a question. Let's say the warriors, let's say doc did that and the warriors end up closing series out Friday night. Does doc have Austin go retrieve the money? Because it's all he'd come back. Get it next year because Oracle's, you know. That's a good point. And else me like that story is a great story. But that was during the regular season. And you can't you can't. Oh, it's like the only so hold on. So hold on. So doc assumed that a team would win not just a playoff series, but multiple playoff series like the rockets are Suming. I mean going on huge limb that this dynasty would find a way to win one of two games against the disrespect. Now, we'll have definitely perceived disrespect obviously, I mean. Right. Lou Williams Mancha's herald, the guys that got the C P three. I mean, it's not like they weren't. It'd be motivated anyways. But it is a little fun extra storyline. So Tara loves this. This is what Dell's all about this. It's fine. If I reached out today on said, hey, do you want to kind of say anything, and it's just like, Nope. We're doing what we think's best to retain the chance for filling. No need like smooth over is like, yeah. Doesn't care about offending people. I think the not at all I like, the I agree every he likes to poke the bear. And I think that's true. And especially if they somehow win game one he can hold that over everyone's head for years. But the thing that I think is they probably have discussion. What's the downside to this? We may have little egg on our face. But the upside is were you know, we're in a better position to. We're acclimated where we need to be. Yeah. I so McMahon. I have something happen tonight. There was a strange crossover. So the Cleveland Indians are playing Houston tonight. They won two to one. All right. So Carlos Carrasco one of their starters. I believe he's been an all star post. A picture is Instagram tonight of James harden. Apparently, he ran into James harden with his daughter and his daughter pose repick with James harden. And it was in like some sort. I think it was a hotel lobby or something Houston. Uh-huh. Okay. Lovely cruel to pressure athletes. You know, crossing paths school James harden has a big giant huge wrap on his left wrist with what looks like a pound Icelander are his left wrist. So that's interesting and new so let me just say that I am cognizant that sometimes photos get flipped. You know in social media. And I, and I will I will just say that I. There's that is very possible that it's one of those flipped photos. But looking at the photo, he has got a giant thing on his left wrist. I know he had a right wrist injury. Yeah. He's going to deal. Fine. Spell carascalao. All right. Well. His nickname. I'm sorry. Anyway, I just want to point out. Oh over the last. Hope you caress go. Here's here's that's so key. Sochi. Wow. Okay. I'm trying. I'm looking for clues. No the Indians. On her shirt is is right away. That is okay interesting. That's up something new, and that's a significant size, ice, or something pack, right? That's no like, oh, just wearing a wrap around my wrist. There's something going on there. Right. I mean, it certainly looks like mad at the minimum. He's icing his left wrist, which is so let me add to the fact that he shot thirty two percent the less three games that series. Yeah. You know, I honestly. I mean, look made nine was last fourteen last night. So wouldn't bothering him too much. I'm just saying. My wife, my wife who's a avid Indian stance as I don't follow code Instagram by wife does she's a big Indians fan, and she's like, oh, crows carrasco's goes daughter and. And she sent me the photo. And I was looking at it. And I go wait a minute here. And of course, all the people that follow caress score. Indians fans. Nobody nobody comments on this gigantic thing on his left wrist. Anyway, I just I mean, I'm not, you know, I know it's low big deal. I'm just saying. Wendy's. Pretty good. On in Los Angeles. So well, I'm sending I'm sending textile. So just just file that little little nugget away. And you know, who knows who knows he, but he did really have a right wrist injury. Like, right. 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Because you were now I did I was watching it while I was doing my other thing multi-tasking parent after all so murder Rosen who you know, let's just beyond us to have a history of a long history of delivering under the clutch. He has done it. But he's had some rough outings in elimination games came up. Big tonight had a huge game did about equality game twenty five points. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Played great really had a bit of a rough start. But then was terrific in the middle of the game. The got the Spurs leverage. And then they had a they had a flurry of the fourth quarter where they basically ended it. Can I say one thing? Yes. Stop you there for one second, please. So you're absolutely right. And everything you said, but the first thing I did when I looked at the boss 'cause I was seeing the derozen was playing well, he's twelve or sixteen from the floor. Just how many threes took. Yeah, zero that's how that's how he plays for the Spurs. So that's a bugaboo thing to know that goes back to the postseason to. Anyway. Well, this first shot the ball. Welcome three. It feels to me like in this series. Whoever shoots the ball. Well from threes won every game. Maybe that's odd percent. Feels like it all just had a good game as well. Really came as good early radiative game two things. Interesting. Yokich with the career game put up forty three tonight and so- McMahon game seven first game seventy Okinawa's career. This guy is a top ten player in the league. A lot of people believe he made my same key. They may my first team. So may my second team. I I'm not arguing with you guys. Either. Is game seven at home. It wasn't his fault. They lost tonight. He had a huge game. He's got a pretty much bring it to that level on on Saturday. That's what you kind of are looking for from him. And he he brought it tonight. And absolutely his first chance to have be playing a game. We can eliminate the team. He absolutely brought it, and I guess this is the time of year. He's got to do it. Again. I assume. There's a lot on him. There's a lot on the Marcus. Who's also great tonight. But this is man this is a lot to put on the on the shoulders of the young inexperienced nuggets. I thought it was going to be Spurs and six obviously that you know, they didn't have that opportunity to give themselves that opportunity, but I still believe that the Spurs are going to win this series. Simply because it's it's been there done that before for the most part sort of thing certainly Derek light outside of his G league playoff run. Last year doesn't have that sort of experience. But. I don't know, man. I just for a young team like the nuggets, I think all the pressures on in going back home. You probably read into Rosa's got also bring Jackie something happened to your mom Murray tonight. So I saw that so just on the briefing here. So the. The nuggets had been complaining the entire series about Yaacob pearls screening, these Greenies the think he's moving all around, which of course, he is. He's earpiece. Yeah. Yeah. Yokich and station and every screen he said. Right. So it's funny yoga just so big that I don't know. It's different right? Like Yaacob doesn't hide it. If he's if he's trying to it's different. It's different. Because of the way they're built even if Yaacob Pertile is the number one moving screen center in the NBA. He'll never approach the Spurs all time moving screen leader. Which was Luis Scola. Played for a bunch of teams. But just play. In fact, it's infants all those Argentinian Tiago splitter. And who was let's not make it over to the let's not make it an international thing because Jikei G holds the world record. And every time you get called for one one out of every seventy five they got. Yeah. Looked he looked as if someone stole his car Perkins. Perkins had a few. So the Mike Malone made made an issue before the game. He said that he turned they sent clips to the league, etc. And in this game Pertile. I I mean, I guess was screen. He stuck his leg out her hip out and caught Murray in the fi and marriage. Just does one of those Charlie horse things at Murray was really not the same. You had to ride the bike when he was out of the game the rest of the game really level them with a, and you know, he'll be getting booed when he gets introduced Saturday and Denver Murray's recovery from that's going to be important here. I mean, it was it was Jackie those things get worse before they get better. I'm sure he'll be doing a lot of you know, they got to keep it loose. Keep it moving. Shirley, be doing some electrical stem at this time of year. I just feel in every series. There's one key player. That's got to be in the training room twenty four seven to keep them on the floor. And that's just that's just where we're at. Now. You know, that's the time of year. You know, it's Embiid in Philly. It's will. Can't even get on the court. We've learned now he won't play the first two games, which I was surprised by. Oh, you know for the Celtics sits Marquette Russia planner fasciitis. Well. Possible. Yeah. And you know, smart was on the treadmill? You should seen him on the treadmill? I was like this kid is unbelievable. He's not he's not gonna play either. You can't you know, these guys it's so every team is dealing with something, by the way, speaking of that I did check in with a rocket source on the hard thing. And I got a toured reply. He's okay. Well, first off time reporting here number one. I mean, obviously, there's there's something with that wrist, or he doesn't have a big ice pack on it. But he's okay. Meaning it's not something that's going to threaten his availability. And they, you know, sounds like they don't feel like it's something that's going to impact his his performance too much. I mean kinda wanted to unbelievable things about hardened season. This year's he he was really banged up for most of the second half of the season. Remember, he had the shoulder the shooting shoulder just fully all star break. The next thing that caused him to miss that last one they had it in oracle. And then he's been doing this. Right. Wrist thing for for all season. So tough guy. He's okay. Also, I did a a little real time research tomorrow Rosen's three point shooting in the year two thousand nineteen any guesses any guesses. I'm makes and let me just say before. Reveal that that the Spurs were dead last in three point attempts. How many may you said you three pointers made? You think Margaret Rosen has in the year two thousand nineteen. I mean, the way you're asking the question. It's clear that it's a very low number. So I'll say seven Jan now more than that like, but probably twenty he is oh for six from three point range in two thousand nineteen for one in this series and over five from New Year's day on in the regular season. So I mean, it's just totally not a part of his game. At this point. I think we're we're alligator dimension the Lakers at least once a podcast he though. Talked about how the three point shooting game is is. I've said this before, but I'll just refresh it before we've onto the warriors. The Spurs magic. And Gregg Popovich were sounding a lot of like about the three point or taking over to gain the differences that the Lakers head no three point shooters, and they still and they they didn't shoot them. And they didn't make them the Spurs cop doesn't like how much three point shooting there is. But they make them their third and attempts. They're like top three in percentage. Right. But I think that's because they're so judicious in the way, they take course, right, man. That's just what the Spurs are all about. I was I think Steve Kerr. I don't know if top of my head. But I remember Steve Kerr his last year at Irizawa. I think he shot something like fifty seven percent or fifty three percent on three pointers whether his own any only took like two and a half a game or three ago, Steve mass, and he goes back and looks at announcing she's a should've lost ten a game. Well, I said him one time I go my God. Steve why didn't you take like ten and he's like the reason I shot, whatever percentage? It was by the the sixty percent. I don't know. It was some crazy percentage. Right. Because I only took three games a wide open ones. Speaking of the warriors. I'm gonna use a conceit from from the jumped Jackie something. Nothing your everything. There we go. You know, well, where are you at with their situation after last night with who inside the warriors sorry hours? Well, listen, it's been the same problem all year for them. They get ahead, and they relax, and it's something we can't say something we can't say it's nothing because it's it's been pattern all year long. They for whatever reason get too comfortable with themselves and just think, well, I guess they just think well, we're the words we're up thirty. We got this. And that's a problem. It's a problem because if you're doing it in losing games in the playoffs because it it's a problem or the warriors were up three one Klay Thompson knots at three one mortars ought to be considered automatic. I mean, if anybody knows that's them. But there's no LeBron on that on the clippers and Klay Thompson walk-off interview after their third one in the series with the Lisa Saulters says we know who the opponent is what we want to close the south not with the rockets get too much restaurant. He's already talking about the rockets yet even taking a shower after after they go three one, right? But see that to me. I don't know. Maybe I'm different than everybody else on this one. That to me is like the guy just played an incredible game. They just want to gain. He's coming off the floor. Those interviews to me are so fraught with peril for that. Very reason. You're in this stream of consciousness, you know, if you've won the game, you're in this this high if you've lost the game, you know, you're still processing the low low. So I give everybody a little bit of a pass when they say stuff like that just coming off the court fresh like that. He was he was honest. And last night he was on his he's like, yeah. You know, once on me, we did look ahead. And and I'm the number one guy who was looking ahead. Right. Right. You know? And and by the way, you don't think the rockets were thinking about the warriors before they closed out the jazz. Of course, they were the different clearly they raise rooms in San Francisco. Right. They had the plague. Reserved for. It was non refundable right chart. Here. We go. So the warriors defense has been what's alarmed me in this series. Right. Right. Absolutely. Could not stop the Lou Williams mantras her Herrell pick and roll. And herald was just brilliant. You know, so here's the thing. The warriors ranked tenth and defense this year during the regular season. That's the lowest Dave ranks the Steve Kerr, although they've been backsliding. Which is not a surprise. They've gotten a little older they've gotten a little bit center. And you know, they care less about the season. I'll never forget. After the the heat loss to the Spurs four one in what was LeBron's last game in the post game locker room everybody. Started retiring. Shame baddie. We knew it was pretty good idea. He retired Ray Allen. Like, he ended up retiring. But he we didn't think he was going to retire. And he gave an interview that let us take that he might actually retire. And that he as said, look if you look at the history of the NBA you got to be a top ten defensive team to win the title. It happens like ninety five percent of the time. We were like thirteenth or fourteenth. I knew we were in big trouble alternately and at earlier in the heats run. They were like I your second. And they had slipped offensively that year. And by the way, you go look at those numbers. That's true. Even Cleveland, even though they were historically the last few years a horrible defensive team. Go look where they were the year they won the title in the regular season they were tenths defensively, which LeBron James team today is a you know. And I always tell people. They won game seven in oracle ninety three eighty nine eighty nine points to give up from game seven. So you have to you know, there is a little bit of softness there on the warriors sensitive fact, the warriors I believe are giving up one hundred twelve points per one hundred possessions, that's about six points more than they did regular season. So they were tenth on the regular season. And they've gotten worse. So if you're looking for a spot where you say, this is where the warriors are vulnerable. I think their their their deaths. Jackie. Yeah. The especially and has her. With boogie out, you really thin on that bench. And you know, I know we all love Shaun Livingston. I know I do just just loved the way he plays. How smart he is? But he's you know, he's really dropped off. And he may he might retire. Yeah. And eagle Dala. I hate to ever say he's trumped up because he'll just pounce out of nowhere and claw your face off. You know? But he's got his minutes have to be restricted for him to be effective. And and so that bench is very very thin and somebody who referred to to the warriors benches A G league bench. Well, it would Dalla at times has been masterful. And they go doll. It would all obviously is, you know, longtime when the best reserves. But once you get past that with Livingston looking like he's on his last lease. You know, they do have guys who are like McKinney. You know, Quinn cook. I mean, these are. Yeah. I mean, I don't want to say that they're missing Patrick McCaw like their chance of winning titles going to Patrick, but they you know. Macaws slob is actually did setting the world on fire, but they they could've used it right now to be honest with you. And. So I think bogut, even though he's only playing about twenty minutes bogut should help them defensively bogut in there for cousins, I think actually should make them better. Well, and and bogut if they wanna kinda mimic what the the bucks did. And what the jazz did a took the jazz a couple of games to get. Right. But then, you know, the jazz did make tough on the rockets in the last few games by rocks or pre rough offensively bogus not brook Lopez, and he's definitely not Rudy will bear. But he is that, you know, long smart, you know, back in the line rim protector. Can I think they probably had a I think they had the rockets in mind when they recruited Boga back from Australia. But seeing thinking about that is they did that thinking they were gonna have boogie. Also, you cannot play bogut more than twenty minutes, I advise it and look the one time and look I mean like I'm not going to put a whole bunch of stock in regular season results. But the one time that the warriors. Caracas's here. Boogie eight Capellas lunch and boogie was you know, he got targeted the first time that he played the rockets, and that was pretty early in his comeback. But bogey was a big time match problem. As far as you know, getting him the ball on the block for for Tele. And so that was that you can all you can show me all the Noel wasn't, you know, in their best lamps that that was a blow for them as far as when they when they face the rockets. Well, they've got still beat the clippers. But I mean. I do I do see some weakness in the in the in the warriors defense that said, I still think beat them four out of seven going to be damn hard currying issuing the bulk rate. That's union enough. What I think I think he took a little bit step back to try to get Durant going because Durant was sort of out of his game little bit. Beverly? But Durant spend great less few games. And then, you know, Klay, it doesn't mean no Claes going is going to deliver. So I still think four seven is a big ask. Although if I'm the if I'm the rockets, I'm feeling like. This is this is a cer- mountebanks ask for sure. Now, and the rockets feel like, hey, you know, what since the all-star break only the jazz were better defensively in terms of defense rating. And so they feel like we're able to grind out wins, you know, options Wli, they don't they don't worry about that. Now having said all that though. Did jazz generated more wide open three pointers in the first round than anybody? They shot them win. Snyder was going on and on about shot. The US Q Q Q quantified shot quality. And he was right. They had the highest qualified shot called in the first round. They had the most quote unquote wide open threes notify within six feet they shot wide open threes at twenty six percent open the uncontested threes at twenty six percents. So yeah, it didn't help the jazz. But my point is I don't think the leave him wide open on the three point line strategy would work quite as well against good analysis McNair. Do you Jackie? You don't think that the warriors? Well, I I want to say it last night McMahon. Down the stretch of that game rockets made some pretty high level defensive plays just salt that thing away. Jackie you don't think that the warriors will play the no step back defense like the. The bucks in jazz. Did do you? I mean that's not really their game where they now puts alive James Harvey's back. No, no the words you're going to do with the warriors do. I mean, if I'm the warriors I'm saying, yeah. Okay. We've had some ups and downs. We we've had some defensive lapses does this. I still think it's a very concerning trend when you get ahead and will lead the way they do I wouldn't want to be doing that at this point in the year. But having said all of that, I'm the best team. I'm dynasty because I'm believed that if I'm the Golden State Warriors playing now, and I'm not I'm not going to do anything that doesn't feel right to me the way I'm gonna play the way we play, and you're going to beat meet that's where he sits fit said Leslie Soviet what his team identity was that. He said we're the back to back champions hanging banners. A little bit. I, but I liked it. I I was I was here for it. So. I mean, that's his put it this way. I'm very surprised that the warriors are still playing. I think we all are. But you know, what focus is not going to be a problem for the warriors next round just lie. I mean, they've been they've been looking forward to playing the rockets again, you know, they know the rockets thought they should've won last year and all that crap. And they've heard all that. And I mean when the brackets came out, and the rockets are sitting there in the four seed, of course, the words, we're kinda man that's gonna be fun. This can be interesting, and the clippers aren't they're, you know, they're not a team that gets takes well to being taken lightly. I mean, the clippers are a fun play hard scrappy bunch of dudes with a huge chip on their shoulder. So they've made it interesting. But look, I I'm pretty sure we'll see game one on Sunday at oracle. Well, there's going to be game on Sunday to oracle. I'm flying out there Saturday, I'm going to game Sunday. It's going to be seven. It's going to be one of the town. In the town. Slipped. You say the clippers force game seven this weekend. And the rockets players will already in town wanna go to game seven. Yeah. They could call the warriors. But that's a little awkward to Astra tickets when you're gonna pay gonna play them the next round. I don't know if they should call the clippers because I don't think they're going to be too thrilled with them to sibling that they assume that they were gonna lose. And where are you going to get a great selection of seats and quality prices? 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He wins on just that last shot alone. Go ahead and give season MVP. I'm watching him like countdown, and I'm like, what are you dealing at least take one step closer. What is this? He's in comfortable range baby comfortable range as he said. Fantastic. I think they said thirty seven feet, but whatever let's just call forty feet. I'll give them forty. It wasn't just the distance. He had to create space. He took a impulsive, Paul George. Still got a good contest contests. He called a pound dribble sidestep and Paul George who can call it a bad shot. All at once still. He was out there contestant because Dame look Dame started the series with a logo shot and ended it with a logo shot. And he heard all the Russ's barking not just turn series, but all season long gone back last year. And that is the best shutting up of a rival player. I've ever seen. Being and and just the the it's like conic shot. It's an iconic shot and conic celebration the rights, right? He glancing wave of oh my goodness in by the way, instantaneously just just like at that point. He just cools could be like. With the with the shot difficulty to me. It's not just the distance. And that Paul George was on him. It was the fact that he had to create the space with the sidestep. But he shot that thing was so much confident clearly so much and dude for that to be. The dagger in the series gives them fifty points. I mean since Russ in and the you know the app in thunder home. I mean that will you you couldn't scrip that any better. So there's been quite a bit of calls on the thunder that they did not trap him that they did not play the same type of defense that the pelicans did last year where they basically said anybody, but Daimler as beaten us. It was interesting Marcus Morris, actually, gave an interview. Ripping the funder for not playing his brother more, which I today. Yeah. Published today. It might interviews yesterday with athlet it was in the Lennick. Okay. Jay king headed. But he in the interview like, you know, the Morris brothers have no problem. Speaking out is said that he could not believe I assume that the other people in the leafy this way that they did not trapped him more the thing about it is like that's the point of taken thirty foot IRS if you trap a guy thirty feet from the from the basket. It makes it almost impossible to recover when you play unemployment four on three. Yeah. It's just too much space to recover from. So that's the point of Lillard taken that shot. And I think he was what was the number was twelve of sixteen on thirty foot shot. Well over fifty percent. And that's why it was funny. When Paul Georgia's saying, that's bad bad shot. Okay. For all but two or three players in the league. You're absolutely right. But unfortunately, for you you were facing one of those two or three by the way before it moved the Eastern Conference. I have to say. No matter. What happens the clippers are way way deep into house money here. Not only putting scare into the warriors. But just putting on display their style of play freeze for the ages. I mean, we all it's not a mat like. The raptors still there's their story in their pitch is still to be written. But it certainly feels like it's Kawai, plus, you know, quite plus who to the clippers, and they'll bring back a bunch of dudes who like you said put a scare in the words, the clippers as a contender next year's not out of the realm of possibility by any stretch. Well as long as you Kawai. You know, that raptors Toronto series wasn't really that pay attention to because the magic they won the first game. The raptors one the rest the last four games of that series, the raptors were absolutely dominant. And their defense was terrific. I mean, they they were unfocused and game. What they'll probably lose game one to Philly. Yeah. But they are a hellacious team and Kawai looks phenomenal. And yeah, a lot of people pay attention the Lowery, by the way lower. We had a couple of their low scoring game than series. Nobody cared when they were winning. He can't zero. But that team is absolutely loaded and Seok a legitimate star stunt, he's he he is a star. He's not a like. Wow. It's nice. You know, he's a star. He is both Philly and both Philly and Toronto's starters in the last four games of their series. I don't have the number at front of me. But they just wiped the opposition the plus minus. And you know, I'm being a huge factor. Jackie he is he is in you know, he's going to be a game time decision for the rest of the postseasons. Just how it's gonna roll. But the thing that I in the few days, I spent with them guys that I really saw. And I want to say for the first time because I think it's been evolving. But when in game four, I guess it was when when baller got tossed ejected with the Dudley thing watching Simmons NBA together, and it's the future and the way they played together and the the joy with which they played with one another. If I were a Sixers fan, I would be like okay now, we're talking because they put on a clinic those two, and it was it was really something to watch. I think this series is going to be a battle royale. The thing about it is the the raptors are deeper they've they've just you know, they've got Fred Benfleet coming off. They've got norm Powell who's playing great. They got surge Baca. They're just deeper. I don't know if that'll make a difference, obviously. Indeed. But I think this is going to be an absolute heavyweight war. And I know that, you know, everyone's going to be focusing on rockets, and we assume warriors, and then, you know, the bucks Celtics series is very interesting number of levels. But. Holy Moses aid by looking for. I'm gonna be I'm gonna be with the rockets more years, but I'm gonna really try to watch as much of that series as I can because I honestly think that the rafters have a real chance at winning the title. I mean, I'm not saying it's up forty eight percent chance, but they've got they've got a chance, and I kinda just moved merrily along, and they sat Kuwiat bunch of games Lara missed a bunch of games. They really didn't have any drama this year, but they've been sharpening themselves, and I know that their team historically lets people down, and I can't sit here and deny that couldn't happen again. But it's for now, Brian they're good. They're good. And they're so different because they don't, you know, I always said the minute Kawhi Leonard got there the happiest person in the world should have been kinda Lowery because of the open looks he'd get because the Colli and so so much precious taken off lower who I don't. Handles the pressure derozen. He's got all the heat for it. But I don't think lower was always that great edit either. Now, it's almost irrelevant because why? Like, they're number four guy. Well, yeah. And you have number two souls. You know, there's three guy Saul seems to move in and out depending on the night. He has some really impactful games some games where he's much, but. Yeah. So guys, I'm sorry for all the commotion here. But I was trying to reach Celtics legend all night, and they've Cowan's is just texted me that is home. So I'm sorry. That's the little ding. You hear and dni do depart. I might need to depart to to stop to talk to big red, which you guys hurt. I'm going to. I'm going to. Dump us make it for a whole. Yeah. Duty calls and a good hall of Famer one of the best. So and we're almost any. Yes. Yes. We are almost enjoy your shirt and and go, no. That was all fake. That was funny. I was just trying to make ten to all right? All right. All right. All right. Thank you see again by. But, but yeah, I mean, I don't know. I I know you Toronto during the season. For some strange reason, they their home court advantage doesn't translate, you know, Paul Pierce. We got a lot of flack in he still reviled areas of Toronto. But two years in a row he was on teams that had that didn't have homecourt advantage and beat the raptors once with the wizards once with the nets, and he basically has said that it's a great place to play because it's a great virement. But it's not hard in the postseason. I have to say having been many many many playoff games with Toronto where the visiting team won. The atmosphere is incredible. But doesn't have that. So I can still see why they could be disappointing. But or they've got figure out the game one thing, and you can go into this thing said look w-we there saw when they're you know, this is all different, but they still lost game. One. So that's something. That's a that's a trend that needs reversing pronto. I still think as as exciting as Philly Toronto will be I think the Eastern Conference finals are being played in the series. Yeah. I mean, I understand what you say that, you know, the the interesting thing that's happened with Boston to it's your thing. Things happened in the first round one without smart. They they're lost man than their rotation. And the minutes sort of a line a little bit better. And everybody was sort of happier. They're just better off with nine men. And you know, then they are trying to play ten I think that's part of it. And then Secondly Hayward is playing well. And that's a huge for them. It's a he's an x factor. And and you know Horford was was playing on defense. He's important player for them to and. They have the the proven playoff closer in kyri. And as as great as Milwaukee has been all season long Jaanus if he's not in VP's certainly deserving candidate. You know, they've they've won a playoff series. And I, you know, the experience of the Celtics have is significant. So during the makers as may play three times, the bucks went to and won. Brad Stevens game plan in those regular season games was basically to single cover Jaanus not really camp down on him and Willie try to stick to the supporting cast so Jaanus averaged in fact for the last two years, he's averaged thirty and ten against them in the regular season. And Middleton has struggled Milton only shot I think thirty four percent against this year, they really focused on slowing him down. So I mean, maybe stables will switch, but the stage is set if they go with that game plan for Janas to have massive games. And look there's something to be said for okay? Let Janas get his plan as tough as you can. But don't warp her game plan to deal with him. Because you don't want to give the shooter's around him. Good looks. I mean, they're, you know, there's something to be said for that. And you know, as you say that, and then he goes out and gets forty five and forty two and whatever makes you look bad problem is he just when he gets into transition. I game plans don't there's no game plan for you on us. If he's out in transition. It's I don't know if I've ever seen a more on stoppable force in transition. I mean, maybe LeBron because there's no way the slow down. But Brian is probably going to end his career is the all time leading and one. Yeah. And one guy Jaanus because of his physical imposing, you know. So you got to keep them out of trouble plays like yours is a nice guy. Great smile. Those commercials that man he plays with a fury, and he's coming downhill on you, and he can take off from you know, three point line Dunkin just about, but when he's taken off those elbows are up you step in front of him. You're going to get elbowed in the chest or you know, a groin in your facial area. Maybe one and then the other. The honest double. Yes. So I think Jaanus is going to have a huge series whether or an awfully smart being out. You know, I. That's you can talk about. Hey, maybe it's better to have nine and ten. But if there's one guy who can kind of be a pest, and you know, obviously doesn't have the the link, but kind of he's physically. He's yes. Yeah. But to me, the big factor will be I do agree with you. I think in a possession game where it's my ball year bowl. My ball year ball in it's tied. The Celtics probably have the edge here. Just because Kyrie, and then you know, Jaanus is not a he can't he's not a reliable shooter. So, but that's that's going to have a lot of attention. But I am onto the belief that both he series are going to be big time series. And you know, look LeBron's there anymore. And I know that there's a big slice of the casual MB fandom that it will be missing LeBron and won't turn into seem the walkie. Enjoy janas. I would say if you're Cavs gay fan. You might wanna check out that. Because he's bringing a basketball the the folks who make the decisions on the TV. You know, some of them are go workers like they do it for a reason. There's analytics that say, there's a reason that we talk about the Lakers a lot we write about them a lot on ESPN because they drive traffic. So there is specific reason why certain games are putting certain slots, it's based in numbers. But the fact that the Milwaukee Bucks run MBA TV so much and granted it was a boring series. But. America needs to embrace Jaanus. Because really the NBA does to we're going to get trust me. He'll he'll get. He's got a stage now and Celtics bucks is a I mean, that's that's a series that you don't put the MVP on the TV. I don't you know, what though man that was such an non-competitive. I hear what you're saying. But hard wasn't on in BAT. Well, yeah. So you have hotels in Milwaukee, Boston Toronto and Philadelphia which to are you gonna cancel for this for this. Go around you do know for the fine. Oh. So let me just doing really are you that far in advance? He I always put my I don't want there to be. I don't want there to be a scramble. I also like, for example in a place like Toronto, there's a couple of hotels that are really advantageous to be and just for the city, and I just want to have them. So by the way within the last fourteen days I booked hotels for the finals in in Houston. I do not have hotels in the finals for Philadelphia. What what what about Denver, San Antonio and Portland? No. Now, I have I have used it Goldstone. Boston Milwaukee in Toronto. I do not have Philadelphia. And actually, you know, why take that back. I do get enough. Five star residents in Milwaukee. I take that back. I do have Philidelphia. Yeah. Just just not a good hotel. It's white. That's my head. If you have to cancel two of them, which are you gonna cancel if Marianne called me and said, you have too many reservations, sir on the same days. We unite allowed to have four reservations on the same day. Ambassador I want. This is what this is. How Andrew is trying to force me to make the prediction and those don't make a prediction. I think Toronto Milwaukee are the two best teams in the east. And I don't know if Milwaukee's ready because I don't I don't know if Toronto plays. Milwaukee might be let's he'll walk. You would have to play. I mean, he's going to bounce Milwaukee. This round. I'm not I wouldn't argue with you on that. Because I've been talking all year about how often ceiling is probably higher than anyone else's. I wouldn't argue with you on that. I'm telling you Toronto gets into the finals. I'm giving them a punchers chance. They're really really good there when they are at their best. They are breathtakingly good. There historically not at their best when it matters and they have a first year head coach. And they've got a couple of guys that can fill it hard. You know, Anna, no, Louisiana. No beat really, you know, his status being up in the air. I don't think it will affect them that much in this series. But if they somehow got to the finals, they would have to have in Novi back 'cause he had the he had appendicitis have appendectomy. And that's just no guarantee. But if he's able to get back that they would lead him. But I I know this against it was with these one night, it was Milwaukee to try and NBA TV the next night. It was Orlando Toronto. Nobody pay attention to it. Everybody's watching guys get thrown out and in Philly, and Brooklyn and. And everything I understand that. But Toronto was really really impressive in that first round after I game, by the way, what what a merciful punishment that was to suspend Sean marks from watching that. Been in the last game. Yeah. And that's the other thing. I'm actually, you know, what Adam silver called him at halftime and said, you are not allowed to change the channel you have to watch this whole thing. I think it was thirty to nine coming out. Which by the way, is why I give credit to the clippers because it's three one and the jazz played very hard last night too. But the clippers one played hard to avoid this week. After soul-crushing where you go those three twenty and you still lose. But both Brooklyn and uppers were coming home one. Once we got a chance here. They get two in a row at home and their backs are broken. And they're just and Brooklyn got steamrolled and the clippers the clippers played hard and with a focus and with the drive from the opening tip. And that's the only way they know how to play and that and if they get to a game seven where you know, the warriors would be overall favorites that would meant they lost two in a row they would play in the same way. So, but I'm like we have some first round. I'm glad we have at least two series that are going deep in the I found I always liked. That's always a bonus last year. The Cavs in the Pacers went to seven games, and it was terrific a terrific series. So I've every game was decided closely. So I'm I'm happy that we have to begin to next couple nights. All right. We'll take you collective and I'll be Jackie MAC and Andrew Han. And Timothy McMahon who I'm gonna be Adriaan. I'm going to be hanging out with big, man. The next two weeks. I don't think I could hang with them. I'm going to be corrupted them when he when he's. Bad habits. I drink water, and I go, and I go to bed you know, on offense. I go to bed at ten for especially on the Pacific on the out west where I don't have to stay up late to what the other games, you know, what I honestly semi corrupt new maybe hopefully, you rub off on me. Use a little a little windy influence, take me under your wing. We have ever we. We we go to dinner at like five thirty. I'm kidding. And we go to our rooms at seven fifteen. That's the way everyone off. All right. Thank you. For listening to collective have a great weekend. Everybody and look forward to some good basketball.

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"Sadako show here on ESPN LA. Meeting times our guest co host today. Meena great to talk to you. Again. It's great to be. I know I feel like it was a Nashville for twenty years. That's what on day three of the draft. He start to question. Why you're in this business while you're alive? Like, what are you doing with your life? Really when you're starting to talk about long snappers in the six round. But I made it back alive. I'm glad you did. Because here's the deal. I like the draft. I do because I'm a college football fan. So I really enjoy the draft. But I do feel like the way it's now currently set up feels like overkill because what happens is those that first night, man. That's like for lack of a better term great sex. Right. You know what I'm saying? Like, you're getting you're getting the best. And then know the second as good, it's good. You know, you're getting good players could value, right? You're getting some value there. But by Saturday than it just feels like. I I need to shower. I you know, I haven't eaten enough it's on maybe as background noise. You know, I'm not really paying attention. If my buddies text me that somebody got taken that I liked like, maybe I'll run to the TV. Maybe I won't so. Yeah. Three days. Just feels too long your knowledge Amy laugh about day one because I was thinking if that's if day one of the draft is great sex. I don't know what the giants walked away with their. But it's day. We all is cleared off the coverage by talking about like the great draft. You know, obviously, the Brady pick always gets thrown out the undrafted guys, the late round or elements or whatever. And it's the chances are so low that your teams actually going to snack someone like that. Right. I mean, they're literally almost one in a million, right or something ridiculous. Like that. It's it's very very low. But it happens every year there will be one guy at least drafted in the sixth or seventh rounds who becomes somebody. But here's what we're gonna do today. Because if you thought you got away from your draft coverage, if you thought it was all over there is no place in America where you're gonna get four day old draft takes the final. Takes by meantime, we'll be had here on this Donald show throughout the show every hour. We will go and give the final the absolute final draft takes. So makes you stick around for that. Jeff passan will be joining us in eight minutes. Meena he and I. He, and I I I mean, look I feel like the last time we were on together we're supposed to have him on. But what happened? Oh, Luke Walton gunfire day. So we blew up everything including Jeff passan got blown to smithereens in that particular situation. So now, we can actually talk baseball with him, Cody bellinger's playing awesome are your Mariners playing. Well. Sorry. I really gotta bring that up. Now, though. I everyone always throws that in my face. Oh mariners. Wow. After a hot start like I didn't know that was going to happen. I'm not delusional fan my entire life. I will say when we we're gonna have Jeff on. I do think they were still on their hot streak. So this does have a nice. Yeah. So here's a nice bookend to that conversation. My hopes gonna go back gonna go. So well in that regard. But we'll talk to pass. Jackie MacMullan will be in studio with us at four o'clock, Jackie's, always awesome. She's always got great thoughts and ideas and stories to tell so we'll have some storytime with her in a little bit. But let me ask you this about last night with the warriors and rockets because he was one of the questions I had today on highly questionable. And it was basically. Does the warriors win get an Asterix of sort because Hardin missed basically quarter of the game. Are you buying into that party wants to say, no, that's ridiculous? I mean when the warriors are playing like they have when they when they put in are we going to sign for Hamptons five just someone Davidge base. Death line Hamptons five sounds like your crew like a rowing team or show on Bravo. Or something. Yeah. Okay. Definitely. When they go does lineup. I mean, I don't care. You could take James Harden's eyeballs doesn't matter. Right. It feels like so inevitable at this point. Especially the way Katie is playing. But that said I say that I've had allergies this weekend. George and I've been incapacitated. I've been like I can't go out. So for me to call to argue that Hardin wasn't depleted after clearly getting smacked in the I is a little bit hypocritical. Yeah. I mean, he couldn't see I mean, he literally talked about that today. And then of course, last night like if you watch the game there were moments as he was coming back into the game that he was putting his hands above his eyes. You know, just because of the glare from the Jumbotron and all the lights in the arena. Like, of course, he was going to be affected. But he still played great. Right. I guess that part of it. But to me, the bigger issue is. Chris Paul, man. Like, Chris Paul for his great a player as he's been. He's he's aging in a way that is distressing. If you're the Houston Rockets, and you have all that money left on the books, visibly visibly. And what we're seeing now with the rockets is what everybody knew was going to happen before the season, but we lost sight of because a raucous played. So well after Kris called came Paul came back in the season, which is that the two of them aren't enough right, especially if Chris Paul's even slightly diminished version of himself, and he's not playing terribly, but he's not peak. He's clearly in the downturn of his career, James harden. Plus whether you want to eighty percent seventy percent, Chris Paul that's not enough against the war in never was that. We were deluding ourselves to think it was. Yeah. It's pretty strange. I mean, there are other things that you can point to like, I don't think it was just Chris Paul's fault. But they clearly did a really job really bad job boxing out. One of my buddies said to me, he said, you know, with all that auditing the rockets they should have audited out of box out because they gave up a million offense of rebounds. And he's right though, they turn the ball over a ton. There were very sloppy. Now, most of that was with hard and off the floor. They were very sloppy particularly Austin rivers. But yeah, like they they got beaten areas where they shouldn't have gotten beaten they're like fundamental areas. So is it safe to say it's over are. We are we there. I'm not there yet. I still think I don't think the warriors are losing. So that's what you mean by it's over. I never runs. Yeah. Yeah. Right. I still think this is a six or seven game series of six or seven really see. I don't think. So I think I think it's over like five I do think it's over and five. Wow. I don't know if it's over in five the rockets are in a real tough spot. I think that because like I think Katy will probably have game where he doesn't really try. Right. But we'll resume right now thinking about New York who knows or he'll just like, and then and then he'll read some negative commentary and he'll be motivated again and a motivated Katie is. You've heard me say this on the show that I think is the most underrated player in the NBA, which is a crazy thing to talk about a player as highly rated as is. But I simply believe when he is we're we're seeing out of him, by the way in this postseason, George like unbelievable. I mean. Is incredible. What he's doing? So I just don't think when he's trying and they're playing like this. I just don't think anyone in the west. I shot. Yeah. I mean, look he needs to go to the east. Just so everyone could have shot period. Right. I feel like that's just kind of the reality. He's actually going to be the guy who who killed the NBA in some people's minds. And then the guy who also then single handedly save the NBA by going to the Knicks. So, you know. You know, you lift to be the villain one day and the hero the next. That's just kinda how it works. I are euro Jeff passan ESPN insider, we'll talk to him about Cody bellinger's amazing start. What to make of the cardinals who are hot on the dodgers heels at this point as far as the best record in the National League. All that stuff. Coming up next Sodano show here on ESPN LA. Meantime, our guest coast today, always happy to have her around and happy to have this gentleman around as well ESPN MLB insider, Jeff passan, always fun to chat with him, especially when the dodgers are hot. So Cody Bellinger, kids, pretty good. Play a little bit. Have you seen? I mean, look. You don't know what he's doing right now. He's actually leading the league and not just the triple crown categories but the nerd triple crown to my favorite part about this. He's got the batting average home runs RBI's. And he's also got batting average on base percentage slugging percentage. So he's leading the league in pretty much everything kinda ridiculous. What's different about him, though? I mean, he's playing against everyone. I I mean, that's a flip answer, of course. But the fact that he wasn't playing against left handers full-time last year when he listened he clearly had some holes in his swing and in one of the things that makes me appreciate my trout as much as I do beyond. Just the fact that he's, you know, he's one of the best players who's ever played baseball is the fact that when he has weaknesses in and you're going to have weaknesses of as an athlete, you know, people are going to find them when when they find weaknesses for my trout, he figures them out, and and he solves him. And that's what Cody bellinger's done. He has solved weaknesses. And I think he's close to swing up little I think he's become much much pickier at the plate. And if you look to be it's not just the power numbers. It's not just the four thirty something batting average to me that the most indicative thing of Cody Bellinger, dominance. This year has been the fact that he is walking. Than he striking out. And that's a lot about who he's become as a hitter. Because those are the guys who are the best. You see my traffic that you see lewke bets that you see Alex bregman do that it is a very rare hitter who can combine power and have the discipline at the plate not strike out. You guys don't notice that. I was in at Dodger Stadium for Cody bellinger's, first home, run and his second home run first career home run twenty seventeen. And I remember it very vividly because my husband is affiliate fan, and they came heard zeros on the dodgers ended up winning sixty five. So so see it could evanger with my husband's misery still like him though. Let's begin misery. Let's punch some holes in the dodgers. Jeff. If you can even more I'm not a Phillies fan. So you know, I like how disappointed Nichols? But I I was I thought to myself this kid's special me. Meantime, I was like. Let's in the dodgers. Because everyone's here is extremely excitable them with good reason. What's a cause? For concern. Jeff bullpen like what what is poco hole in the greatness. That is LA dodgers. I think the bullpens cause for concern. I think the lack of a clear like number one starter. And I don't think in Kershaw is that anymore, and I don't think Walker. Buehler has proven himself to be that could be a concern. It's mostly though, here's the thing. The dodgers not only have arms in dust may Tony goblin who are going to be up at some point this season and can be absolutely lethal out of Penn. But they've got noth- of farm system. If they want to go out and get a relief pitcher, they absolutely trade for one or two or even three if the deadline, and here's the thing really pitching not that expensive in terms of prospect capital anymore. And so they can go out and get ever they want and really fill those holes in and what they've got going for them is that debt, and and that's not going away anytime soon, even if they do have injuries, they can whether this. So let's go to the misery science care for a second. I'm looking at ESPN dot com. We've got. Grades for the first month. The Red Sox have something that I don't know. I didn't know was possible to give a grade which is an f minus I thought f was as low as you can go home. I think everyone here a lot of people around America have had some shot in Florida as pertains to that Boston baseball team. What do you see you know, is the turnaround coming? I mean, how do you see that great improving? Will it be? I assume that right now when you look at the fan dings fourteen and seventeen and it was a lot worse two weeks ago. And and then I think there was there was caused concern or panic with the Red Sox. But I think we're seeing more of what they really are now and they're still a playoff team in the American League. And I understand Minnesota's gotten off to a good start. And your Mariners were good for like. actually earlier today a scout. And I were texting and he said what is the over under on Mariners slipping below five. Meantime, residency idle Mariners. What is the over under the barriers living under five on what what does it guarantee? Jeff because it's a guarantee. What can we talk about this? Because we we were supposed to have you on the show when they were hot. And what did I say to you because we will act like I was delusional. What did I text you about the Mariners? I like to go back and look at the text right now. I'm not sure I can find it quickly enough. But it was something to the effect of I'm going to enjoy it while it lasts. Yeah. And it didn't it did not last very long. No, sir. I think I think it was it was one of the great journalistic piece of two thousand nineteen getting that story to print while the Mariners were still good because I believe they lost six straight actor you kill them. That's okay. You're the jinx passan. That's what we know. Now. I I show up the coffin Sadie of here in Kansas City today, the razor about the lose two games for the royals could really on the cooler like you do not want me around in Vegas. Good lord. As far as the Red Sox? Like how how similar is it to what the dodgers went through last season? I mean, they started ten games under five hundred in may. Yeah. I think I think in fact, it's it's similar to the cubs too. And I listen, I'm not gonna say that there is like a guaranteed World Series hangover because I think the dodgers are indicative about this year. What ha what happened with the Red Sox? Chris sale has not been himself. And and they really haven't hit much and the fact that they're fourteen and seventeen after the horrid start that they have I think is testament to the way I'll scores help turn this team around. And and really it was likely they have too much talent not to be really good. The big question with them though is the pitching in. It's not just the the bullpen. That's you know, throw a guy out there and figure maybe he can be closer. I mean, they have Matt Barnes and Ryan brazier closing right now. But it's more to me the starting pitching. Can they get Chris sale back to what we've seen from him throughout his career, David price v and anchors water oughta Rigas ever going to live up to his stuff is make. Can you all gonna get healthy? I mean, there are a lot of question marks in the rotation. And that to me is going to be the difference between the Red Sox being an also ran playoff. Let's do the best team in baseball. We will agree is dodgers. Right. That's you consensus, right? We're good. Okay. Calling. Astros. The astros. Do I mean the Astros are really really good. Their lineup is advocate yard on Alvarez. Who's destroying AAA right on? They just have no room for them. And their major majorly lineup like every other team in the big league. He would be up and playing right now Houston just doesn't have a spot for him. And when you throw out a rotation that has ver- Lander in col- in column Q and A bullpen is. Steve is the Astros is I I don't personally, see weakness. Well, he's intuition. So it's Los Angeles the team that matters here. It's been what three weeks about since he came back since he does his house. He looking to you. How are you feeling obviously this is the subject of much consternation locally before the season began. What do you think is the status of all things Kershaw right now? I think the dodgers were really smart the approach with Clayton Kershaw this off season. He's a guy who in the past would have torn up his contract and gotten another seven years in two hundred something million dollars. The dodgers said, no, we're not going to do that. And ended up getting in for three years and ninety three million dollars. And I think that is a perfectly reasonable thing for who. He is. He's as which is not the same pitcher. He was when he looked like Santa Colfax for half a decade. And I say this with with no animus toward Clayton Kershaw who I think is if not the best pitcher of his generation, certainly one of the best pitchers, but the stuff just say and to me that third pitch whether it is the Kirpal or or maybe finally somehow develops a change up is going to be the big differentiator for him. Because when you throw a fastball ninety ninety two and slider that's right around there, you need to have that separator of third pitch. That third pitch is. Hugely important Princess. All right. I got about a minute here pass in the cardinals. Have clearly historically been a thorn in the dodgers side. They're sixteen in five in their last twenty one how much of a threat are they? Regenerate right because they can hit them. I mean when when you look at the top of their lineup called the young is one of the more. Underrated guys baseball Marcello Zuma's finally healthy. And looking like the guy they traded for after the two thousand seventeen season and Paul Goldschmidt Fogel Schmidt. And when you have a bullpen if Andrew Miller can can get right, and you have him and John breviary, John Gant, Jordan Hicks growing hundred four miles per hour. Sinkers at the back end, and a rotation is stable is there is I think they're going to be there for a while. But I'm also not counting cubs cubs. Got off to a really bad starve at their back over five hundred right now, and they can hit and they can pitch and they can deal, and they could do this about everything the National League's going to be tough this year. Like, if if you are an elite team you want to be in the American League because there are so many stragglers there. Whereas in the national you're gonna have a tough game just about every night. I would say the organ music at the center. At the center in the background feel like everytime. You're on you need some organ music in the background. You know, what I'm gonna do that? I just went into a stairwell here and there there's no cell reception. So I'm sorry. You locked the organ music, and you may lose me. Fair enough. We love you passing. Thanks to the time. My guys have a great one. There's Jeff passan jagged mullets gonna stop by the other such in studio mean, and I will do storytime with Jackie MacMullan ghetto thoughts and all things Lakers playoffs at cetera and clippers to Saddam show. ESPN LA Saddana show here on ESPN LA. Thanks, Jeff passan ESPN insider for joining us there for a little dodger talk in baseball talk as the dodgers will try to go to a third consecutive World Series. I did see funchess sent me. This now that it is the twenty one year anniversary of the movie he got game Ray. Allen started that movie Kobe Bryant, Tracy McGrady, Stefan, marberry, all potentially could have been Jesus. Shuttles worth and was not the great Jackie MacMullan is in studio now as well. Jackie could you imagine anyone. But Ray doing that movie now. Of course, not 'cause nobody's a smoothie trade. Nobody on. Oh, sorry. I guess I should talk into the mic, George. What do you think? There was something just Georgina what I've been miked up all day. Okay. All day long for outside the lines at sportscenter. And just just assume the Mike was still on me. Forgive me, everybody. It's all good. Yeah. Anyway, just raise to smooth to smooth. He's retired the trophy. No one ever does not going to ever be a basketball player. That's as good as him the lebrons funny. Lebron's funny in his movies. I gotta give him back. It's kind of funny. Speaking of LeBron when we make. Yeah. Well, I mean, we can talk about the Lakers two situation. Right. It just it's been very odd being. And I I've talked about it everyone in here on the station has talked about it. And just the way everything has kind of unfolded from magic resigning to them being kind of quiet about what? What is the structure within the front office? We're just left to assume that rob Pelinka's running the front office, which I don't think is great because I don't necessarily think he's got the gravitas to run an organization at this stage. Especially after what we saw last season. Right. You know, no one knows who's in charge. And now, the Rambus family is even more involved, including Kurt which is kinda strange like what do you make of just kind of the entire construct long to be honest with you. I think a lot of that's just been going on all along and some of it came to light in when magic so shockingly, and suddenly resigned, and I don't think we've gotten the full story. What I was about to ask you what what feels incomplete still it is. I mean, and I don't know where I would've already written it myself. But there was something different there that just the timing of it was odd. The I will say this knowing Irvine as well as I do I was surprised he took the job in the first place. And I was not surprised that it wasn't in it for the long haul because it's not what urban wants to be at this point of his life. He doesn't want. He wants to be Magic Johnson. He wants the world to love them and the world does by the way because when you walk into a room with him, and you guys know this there, he makes you feel like there is nobody else in the room. He's the best I've ever seen at it. So he's very good at being Magic Johnson. Magic Johnson and all the other responsibilities had with all his business enterprise. Couldn't have possibly done this job properly. So I never understood why I took it in the first place not surprised that he didn't see it through. But why the timing? Why the you know what there's a smoking gun here somewhere? I don't know what it is. And I I'm not gonna speculate. But there's something that doesn't add up with that. Now having said that the idea of them being quiet. I think that's good. Because maybe there was a little too, much noise. All the way through so being quiet. Why don't you give them a little credit for that? They're fine. Keeping things in house and trying to get things done. It's my take. So we talk a lot about we speculate, quite frankly, this boy in amid quiet about the coaching potential executive hires may or may not even happen. I wanna focus on the players bit. Which obviously that's contingent on those things and depends on them in some ways and should factor into those decisions and a lot of ways worse, but whether than just talking about those dominoes waiting for the default. I want you to play GM a little bit. Yeah. What would you do here because they like us face a real uphill battle with some of the top free agents. Which is no secret the summer who would you target? How what would be the best case not the best because we know the best Anthony Davis, but what are some realistic positive outcomes for the Lakers summer? Well, fire. The lakers. I would go for Leonard. He's in the prime of his career. He's an incredible two way player. He he doesn't make a lot of noise. He just goes about his business. We know he wants to come to lay. I think unfortunately, for the Lakers he is going to end up in the other on the other team, that's my own personal opinion. And so what I would do and what's going to actually work are two different things. If you're the Lakers, you've got a big board like every other NBA team in on your board in no particular order, you've got Klay Thompson and. And Kyrie Irving because I don't think that's as crazy as other people do, and and you know, Chris Middleton Kemba Walker all K's if you think about it. And and so from you know, Leonard, and you hope you get one of those or two maybe, but I don't even think physically I mean, I don't think even that's even possible based on the salary cap you'd have to do a lot of maneuvering. So if you can get one of those guys, you're you know, that's a big step forward based on everything else. That's gone wrong. So far, but can you? I mean is Kemba Walker going anywhere is Chris Middleton going anywhere is Kyrie Irving going anywhere is Kevin Durant. Going anywhere is Klay Thompson going anywhere. Think about it. I mean, these guys are all free agents. But are they actually going anywhere? What if everybody stands, Pat, what if everybody stays where they are supporting I know, it'd be boring boring boring. And I don't think it's going to happen because I don't. I don't think Wilander is going to stay in Toronto. And that's too bad in a lot of ways because it it's a pretty good fit for him. And they've done. They've certainly treated him like gold they've done everything right handled beautifully. There's some really great young players on that team. My boy Pasquale Seattle who who you know. I went to Cameroon to trace his roots. And he's going to be a star star. So he should stay. But I think if you were betting you would say he's not going to you're listening to Caspian, Los Angeles. Jackie MacMullan, the gray. Jackie MacMullan does a phenomenal job covering basketball. One of the best in the business at it, including the storytelling, of course as well. Jackie the last time you were in studio, we talked about Kyrie, and you just brought him up a second ago when when discussing agency, and you told us the story about how this is right off the heels of him having the leadership conversations, right, right? I'm talking about all the leadership stuff and kind of talking in the media. You had said that the guys in the locker room, we're kind of just rolling their eyes at him in a lot of ways. What is that relationship? Like now, he's done a lot of he's he's made a lot of reparations. Let's say I think he realized he had to take a step back and look at everything and say, okay, I've got to go about this differently. They're in a good place right now as team in terms of their chemistry. I hate that word. But in terms of there are two they have each other's back. Like, I said all along I think people made the mistake of thinking these guys all hate each other. I never ever felt that I never felt that these guys hated each other. But there was something much worse going on they didn't trust each other. And what I mean by that is so so I played with somebody in college who I really didn't care for at. All okay. Really didn't like. But when the game was on the line what I pass her the ball. Hell, yes. Because she was a much better player than I was I trusted her. So you can not care for someone. But you can't succeed if you don't trust each other. And I think kyri and collectively that team has done a pretty good job of the last two months of re of building a little bit of that trust. And that you know, Jaylen Brown's plane a lot better. He's a lot easier to trust any was two months ago same with Gordon Hayward. So they've made some strides. I like where they are right now. I think they're probably a solid as they have been internally in terms of what they're all trying to accomplish together and Kyrie, you know, they they were rolling their eyes. But they also knew what we all know. He's unbelievable. He's an unbelievable basketball player and they're going nowhere without him. And there was some talk for a while when people in Boston were frustrated with the team, you know, Curry's sort of stream of consciousness speaker. He kept saying things and people are like we're better off without him. And of course, that would never be true. But for a while that's just how people felt people don't feel that way right now when asked about that's serious little bit. Because if elt like game one was. About as perfect of Celtics games that you're ever going to see in terms of the way things shook out, and some of that was sustainable, I think that kind of effort from alpha is not something we haven't seen before against that of team. But some of it is not Janas going for fifteen the restricted area. That's not gonna happen. Again last night the books looked like the bucks have all season. Right. Do you think that what we saw from the bucks versus Boston that's going to be going forward, and they're going to wrap this up quicker than not or do you think that the Celtics and come back? So I think I agree with you about game one that was the most complete game the Celtics played all year. But so funny to say it is so basic with Boston when they come out and make shots. It's contagious and they make more shots when they come out in mich- arts. It's contagious, and they miss one shot after the next now part of that is just because every every team goes bad spells. But here's the other party. And you saw it in the third quarter of that game less was it last night. Yes. Feels like a million years ago to me last night in that third quarter. What happened? I started to try to win the game with kyri taken a bunch of shots going eyeso-. And when the Celtics fall into trouble, I start counting. I sit on the couch. It drives my husband crazy. I'll start going one zero one two, and that's how many times they pass the ball on an offensive possession. If it's zero or one they usually don't score if it's two or more. And this is true. Probably most teams in basketball. It sounds so simple doesn't it? But they have a tendency to try to win it back all at once. I've never seen such a talented team. Go through such prolonged scoring droughts. I've never seen anything like it with so much talent. And this team can't get out of its own way. So that's going to that's not going to change. I don't think. And that's what you saw last night. Now, I think the Celtics come back home. They settle in. They play better. They can win game three. They can probably win game for what will Eric Bledsoe do on the road member last year he had a meltdown Boston. The whole scary. Terry thing, you know, Eric Bledsoe, really lost his composure Eric Bledsoe's had an unbelievable. Season for Milwaukee. We don't talk about him enough. He was on my second team all defensive team. That's how good he's been. And he had some shots last night. Can you do that in Boston Garden? We'll see Jackie I thought that might boot and holes are after telling us that he wasn't going to make any adjustments. And of course, he was gonna make adjustments made some adjustments that were excellent on defense. They normally will drop back in pick and roll coverage. They switched last night. I thought that helped him, but particularly offensively they were able to get on going because they put him in pick and roll situations where not only he was the ball handler. But he was the screener which got him easy actions at the rim communists right through contact. Right. Which got him to the free throw line at town. And then or made the Celtics defense collapse, and then find all those shooters that they've surrounded him by if you're the Celtics how do you try to combat that because it's almost like you gotta pick your poison there. That's going to be the the way they're going to run offense. Well, I think the reason they were able to do that George. Is because guy like Khris Middleton was hitting those shots. He was I think seven from ten from the three point line. So if you're the Celtics just really really hoping that Marcus smart can play in the series because Chris Middleton is a longtime sell to killer, and Marcus smart is the guy that's done the best job on him. And of course, he's not playing right now. So I think you have to be aware. You can't forget about those perimeter shooters because you're so worried about Jaanus I but what you're saying is absolutely correct game. One Janas took ten free throws game to we took eighteen. Yeah. That's the difference in the game. I wanna ask you about sixes reiver's of this great story that ran recently about Joel Embiid who about a lot and this is such a such an interesting series. And I it's funny because the Sixers had this game against Toronto that I wouldn't describe as the perfect Sixers game. Hardly hardly. And yet it they got it out gutted being the big win. Verb is gut it, right? It was it was right. Literally gutted Joel Embiid is gut loading. Going forward. I think Toronto's a favorite. But I was you know, I want to ask you if if it is going to have any chance of sang in this thing, what do you need to see from them? Well, I don't know how they make him beat healthy. But he's not. Yeah. And I forget how many minutes he played the last game played thirty in the game before and he just wasn't moving. Well, and I I mean, it was incredible that they won that game. Because I didn't think they could win with Embiid having so little impact ovo and be probably made the biggest shot of the game at the very maybe one of the best shots have ever seen a Macon his career, truthfully. So, but but I like their formula of let's use the big fella. And then when it's time to close out the game. Let's go to Jimmy Butler when I was with them in Brooklyn a couple of weeks ago Meena, that's one of the things Joel said to me it goes. Hey, look, make no mistake. He's are closer. You know at the end the game. It's hard for big is to control the game to dominate a game. In the final minutes. She got to get the ball. You gotta you know, Jimmy Butler can do that on his own. So. I worry about Philadelphia's lack of depth especially Mike Scott being out. That's why was also big that they won that game with him still in the boot. So and their bench played Toronto bench outplay Toronto Toronto nobody shot over none of their primary guy shut over thirty percent. Just by. So, you know, put some pressure on the other guys can co I beat you all by himself. I don't know if anybody in the playoffs can do that. Not even harden, right? Yes speaking, I wanna get to him Jackie under the segment in you. Oh, sure. Great. We'll talk warriors rockets on the other side, the great Jackie MacMullan. Joining us in studio. Meantime, hanging out Sodano show, ESPN LA back and four minutes.

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Patrick Beverley, Jackie MacMullan, and Ryen Russillo

The Woj Pod

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Patrick Beverley, Jackie MacMullan, and Ryen Russillo

"Thank you for coming out. Welcome to a Lotta familiar faces in here. Some family friends and a lot of new faces. I know a lot of basketball fans Chicago Basketball Fans Patrick Beverley fans this is this is. I think Patrick sets the record now. I think this is his fourth appearance on the village in over a few years since since he's come into the League pat the last podcast you and I did. It was a little bit warmer outside than this. We were on a boat docked on the lake and I had to bring my podcast kit with me out onto this boat. We didn't go out in the water. What why the hell were we on a boat doing a podcast and make some money as easy part but Yeah did you get? Was it a thing like I remember that? I don't know you guys. You remember the show entourage. They had the scene where they had to do the Rufus Rufus home video solutions. I think we think we hit a couple. Whoever owned the boat and their company we hit it and then you got like five or six hours of free time. I hear something about you. Not being asked back to us. That vote again. Well is a lot of you know here. Pat is a graduate of John. Marshall High School on the west side in Chicago was High School America and then got his graduate degree in the school of basketball hard knocks right the Ukraine Greece and Russia before he ever played in an NBA game. And I was just asking their about your four first job. You were declared essentially an eligible at Arkansas the end of the summer but she couldn't go in the NBA draft until that next spring so he had a place somewhere. That you you and your agent Kevin Bradbury who helped I think? Put you on that course to kind of build yourself overseas come back and play in the NBA. Tell me about what it was like to be a kid in Chicago. Get on a plane and go to the Ukraine for for how much how much for season in the Ukraine like sixty thousand second-division also still. I'm still like twenty thousand so I'm still looking for them but I mean the dynamic of the of course the culture change that's easy but the dynamic of Played overseas you know the under nineteen so I sent little bit of it. But you know it's different when you're just thrown in a fire and that's exactly what I wasn't you know back against the wall and I came out swinging the ability Patrick to learn to find a role in the NBA. And you played with very different kind of star players in Houston you played with. James Harden now with clippers with Kawhi Leonard with Paul George Star players love to have role players. Let's right be ninety. Five percent of the League are role players. Right there's a few Max players stars and there's some Max players who aren't even really stars but they're they're paid like it. What what have you learned about why great players want to play with you? Play with guys who play the game the way you do because this authentic you know as you get a mixture of a guy who uh Hawaii perfect example Kawai James. A ton of film they want they. They work in a game and I made the most I've ever seen and I do. Also you know I've I might not be as tall as fast as them skills but when it comes to knowing what's going on on the Basketball Court. I know exactly what's going on all the time you know. And and that's that's I think it's helped me with James but those guys need the ball and I'm comfortable with that you know I'm in a row where my playmaking skills are me with. The ball isn't as good as as as they are. So now I have to be strategic and have to be you know clever and find ways. How do you myself going? You know. That's when you lose ego and that's the one of the big things in the NBA. That most guys have ego. They can't move that when they do that. I find myself catching up. What everybody I remember when you got the deal in Houston to come. It was during the season. You're finishing up in Russia. And you come to the rockets you show up and I'm hearing about you. Initially that what people see it now. You're picking up guys ninety four court. You're playing you're going to sue. The guy gets off the bus right like you're going to start. Defending them and the store had heard was initially the thought was they. Were going to send onto the G. League for a little while and then they'd bring maybe bring you back up to Houston and you started going. After Jeremy Lin in those first practices picking him up for court and I got to the point. I was told her they said to you. You can't get the ball past midcourt or destroying. His confidence can you just? He's on our team. Can you just lay off him a little bit and and I know McHale at that point was like you weren't sending this guy down the G. League like he's staying here to play. What do you remember about those first first days moments I think your mindset was I'm not going back to Russia I'm not going back overseas the initial the initial Decision WAS OF COURSE BETWEEN HOUSTON AND CLEVELAND CLINIC CLEVELAND. At the time I carry Irvine and at the time had jerry. There's no discredit to Jeremy. Land he's coming off a phenomenal season but just looking at the dynamic having no ego being real myself authentic with myself if I wanted to beat someone Alfred spot. Who WOULD I choose? And it added in my mom's she lives in Houston also so it makes it a little easier so I chose. Houston you know the things people the stories that people have. Are they stories? I don't hear until years after you know like I just went out. There is just being me play defense and also sells doing so skipped on what was successful you. I didn't want to change anything. And you know. It wasn't about breaking in Wisconsin and it was and I'm I'm trying to kick this enduring Ed. China stands league like my life like everything I bet on myself. I'm hold already paid all money to get back to the NBA. I'm I'm a million dollars. I got that back. Pay a buyout team. Yeah which is really a bet on yourself coming into league minus a million dollars already. I'm signing minimum deal. Two hundred thousand one year four hundred thousand one year at the taxes. You know you start doing the math years my plan for free here right. I years for free. You know seriously I three years of free so it's not about take spots. I'm I'm trying to save my life. I've got children and they need me. They gotTA EAT. And you know that was my monitor. The way you play the game the way people watch you play in the NBA. If they were to come see you play in Chicago on the playground gym at twelve fourteen. Sixteen seventeen years old. Picking guys up it. Would they have seen you play exactly the same way in this city growing up? Maybe the way this mole Jew as a player at. That's right on. I think that every kid here. It's the same way you have the stories. The Kendrick Don. I mean you know the name is but you those stories where you are. You're underdog and you're you're in a situation where you have to perform all the time against people beginning. You fascinate you all right and now it's up to you you know it's just Chicago thing it's up to you to try to find. What can I do to be successful? What can I do to try to reach? Though gas. And it's mostly basketball's everything else out of preparation been ready. Might not be as fast but I know what you're going to do so I started. Take input my potion and I'm like Mama just prepare better than anyone else. I want to be smarter than anyone else. And after so many times you start to catch those guys you know and now it's not have my own lane on in this league and I'm and I'm here to stay. Are there nights in the League? Pat where Tuesday night in Cleveland in Sacramento. Just in February. Where you go pick up the guy you're GonNa Guard that night and you start picking them up full court and he just looks at you and says Pat Please please. Don't I'm not. Did you ever get that from guys? I get that I get that for the day before I know exactly who the all the time. And it's not like you know it's not like you know people have where you know pat myself on the back like a weapon. I've trained myself to be a weapon and understand. I get the same feeling. If I'm going to Portland. Unplanned Damian Lillard Nagase. I'm not going to the movies. I get my rest. He's a weapon you know and I trained myself to be the same way so if I'm coming into someone city someone's town that weapon. Patrick is in town. You better get your rest of it. I hear about your club. I'm GONNA catch you you know. And that's and that's how catch guys you see you start hearing this layers layers and next thing you know you know one of the best teams and now Patrick Beverley. He's a playmaker. I'm just I've trained myself for that long. So be prepared for this moment. Do you like the part of the League now. Were guys who are competing against each other are are not just friends but spend time together during the season will dappled up when they see each other. Is that a part of the league like there was a time in the league. You wouldn't have seen that like do you feel like sometimes you belong in a different era. The way you approach competition the way you approach. I think the guys you're competing against no not really. I think that those guys don't win so they can. They can be buddy buddy and at home in the summertime. What's behind it works in my favorite so I mean it collects means to you know because when it comes down to negrete time I got. You GonNa rip that person's head off your brother. The person you go to dinner at the person that you love so much personality in his house every day you know are you. Are you willing to rip his head off? I don't think so but I am all the time and I'm a catch you and that's the night that all at once right. We break the Paul. George Trade to the Clippers Kawhi Leonard Commits In Free Agency and now the clippers look are very different team now. You are at the very least a championship. Contender probably a certainly championship favourite. You're aware that night when you were when you found out that news. I found out from Chandler. Parsons my ex team mate. And you were in Vegas Vegas car-bomb the restaurant leaving out channel stops me. He's a I mean if anyone else channel part he's he's the funniest guy where he goes. You Guys Got Paul George. I think you trade it like that on there I hear no nothing was going on and then it comes out and we got a while also and I'm still a C. J. Tucker Latin this race Janna goes. Hey you know the bronze in a bag. Oh perfect Goethe's door knock on his door a brawl. Subroto a PAT. Yeah pretty much over you guys have fun with it but I really meant that though I really meant that I think There was a few days later where it summer league. And you know when the veterans went when Star guys come in hang out in summer leagues a little bit of an entrance. Think Lebron comes in. Anthony Davis comes in. You came in one day and I think those guys were looking to. Maybe you know Pat. What'S UP DIDN'T I. Don't remember it happening right like you. You did what? I'm here to watch my team play basketball game. I'm not here to be a friend. My younger is. They need me to be a leader. They need that that moral support from me. They meet at Niimi to see the mistakes. They make the pats on the back that I need to give them if they do and if they do something great. I'm not here to make France. I'm here to get better. I'm here to help my team get better. My young guys need me and it's a business trip. People go to Vegas and do all this and again you do all that I will catch you and and you see it this slowly. You let your guard down. And I'm the hunter and now you become hunted you know and that's and that's and that's usually happens all the time. This clipper team Pat. You've you've had a lot of injuries at different guys you before the break here. Actually I was wondering you're in the skills competition tonight. You've won this thing once already. How the clippers feeling about you participate in this thing when you know like they need your next week. Star planted pissed. I told him if this thing you know this thing was anywhere else if this was in New York. Toronto Miami even Kelly. I'm not I WOULDN'T PARTICIPATE IN CHICAGO. Man. I can never let the city now. Everyone as a kid growing up here. You're you're young. You're a young kid at the end of the Jordan Dynasty. What did it mean in this city to to imagine plan at the United Center to imagine playing were Jordan played and then Derrick rose you know obviously comes along? Mvp Twenty one you you were already further long your career then but like what does it mean in this city to grow up. Come back and be a part of an all star weekend As an established player in a championship contenders. You ever imagine. Ever imagined scenario like this ever my last forty eight hours. I've been miss things in my life. This happened in the last forty eight hours that I've never seen that before. Never mind the million years thought a dream that things. That's that's been happening since it's also a break. Meh Barack Obama the first time last night you know you know like so. I'm just not here and there's no discredit from anyone from the suburbs. I'm not a kid from like the NBA player who claims Chicago who who's the suburbs and the NBA player kind of Chicago. Whose from Waukegan Indiana and I'm from the dirt of Chicago. I you know my my friends that I have and Chicago. I don't know if and I come home some some of them still be alive like I'm from the Chicago Chicago. I Bleed Chicago. You know I stand for everything Chicago so last also I was thirty two years ago. I'm thirty one. I mean I mean everything's here's a dream. Come true everything the last couple of days when you come here. You see your mom's here tonight. Family friends I know you spent some time with them. What what is what have you heard seen about what it means everybody else to have you representing your obviously representing the clippers. And you're representing yourself. You're representing like the dream of a lot of kids in this city To to be to to do what you've done to still dream doing what you've done and you know they're going to look at you tonight out there. They're gonNA look at you obviously in a postseason Chasing Championship in a way that you looked at guys throwing up here. I think it's all about you know inspiration inspire you know unfortunately for me. I didn't have anyone you know. I looked up to growing up for that had guidance. And for inspiration a mom. And there's no discrediting Zaire but a mom can only take you so far. You know and as father understand it. But I've never had anyone I can see. It looks like me from the area that I'm from that I was inspired by that. I want to be like that. Besides the obvious drug dealers so when I get in a situation like now I can help out and it's not about helping out with money. It's not about helping our anything. The best help that you can give kids only loved. They know is ti any time. You know that's how they spill you spend you spend enough time with someone you know so my thing is anytime no matter what city. I'm from I'm going to the inner city and I'm spending time with him. I'm talking to him. No Sean on ropes. Because I had to learn a hallway and I wouldn't change my way from gin to where I got through but I wouldn't want the next kid to go through what I went through possession. Dr Hard packed. Great great stuff. We are going to bring out. Ryen Russillo Jackie macmullan and have a broader. Nba Conversation. Here so sit tight guys will be back here in a few moments. Bring Out Ryan and Jackie. In the meantime I've got a couple couple of our sponsor reads. Let me say this to like we get asked this to. We're lucky to have a lot of great sponsors through the air on the podcast. But when when I got a call from our producer and he said five hour energy wants to five. Our energy drink wants to sponsor the show and like we're starting trade deadline week. I'm like you have no idea how many of those things I gulped down like you go before every game five Ranji I take one off wherever again all you do last four or five years every game. Just one cut you off. 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Julio what you're right I'm going to just put this card away. So you know Ryan Russillo the Ryen Russillo show podcast on the ringer used to work with us at ESPN in and you never know. Almost forgiven him. Almost yeah to me one of the real. I think real success stories in our business guys who just like never took no for an answer. Just it is hard to go in. Espn start at the very bottom and just work your way up and force yourself on air. 'cause you're just better than everybody else and create an identity that he has for himself. It's hard to do it the way Ryan did it He was one of the again one of the great success stories in our business. He's he's podcast gold. Like I have the hundreds of probably done two hundred and ten twenty podcasts. I think Mo- the most listened to pods. I think two of the three or with Ryan once. We're on a cellphone. You're on a cell phone and it was not a great connection. I I took a lot of heat for that. So people want to hear you and then Jackie macmullan who is really one of the legends of our industry. One of my idols. One of the people. I've looked up to my whole career trailblazer covering the Celtics. All News to me. I can't tell you when I was a young reporter. I'd go to a game golden NBA game and like they have your name on press row. And I'd see Jack mcmullen next to mine and like you know like I was one of the first times I felt like hey like maybe like my career is going in the right direction. Like I'm in the section that Jack mcmullen is sitting in so you know Trailblazer Boston. Globe is a is a NBA beat writer. A columnist. Sports illustrated bestselling author. And really one of the and I. It's true for all three of these one of the great bull meters reader readers of bull that I've ever known you cannot both Jackie macmullan. She's going to call you on it. It's what makes her fair. Listen and yet somebody would great empathy and can get people to open up talk So really pleased to have three to do your book which I feel like I want to. Now Yeah Yeah well three of the I think just originals. Artistry Pats Original Ryan and and Jackie so let let. Let's talk some ball. Let's start here with. We talked a little bit about it with pat like from the summer from that night. That pat is running around carbone's chasing Lebron down in a private room. Like this clipper Laker thing was on. What if the let me start with? What have you seen with these two teams so far and and is this? How you imagined what they were going to look like here. Now we're at all star break. Well the thing. That's so cool as you share the building. That's just I. It's unprecedented really. Because the clippers could never hold up their end in terms of sharing the building and I was in L. A. Move to two couple of weeks ago went to both of you. Both you had two games. They had two games. I went to all four games and each time. I said to people from the Lakers. So you know. What about the clippers? You're like oh no no. It will be anybody but then we'll make sure of it and then I went to your games in behind the scenes same thing. Oh no not on our watch. It's not GONNA BE THE LAKERS. So there's a there is a real palpable. Feel to this rivalry. It's awesome. It's such a great thing to have in the league and the fact that you're in the same building and that there could you know. I think we're all expecting and hoping that the two of you are going to play each other. I mean I can't wait. I really can't wait. I would go if you gave me a best of twenty one with you to just start playing in mid-may in place at the end of June like we'd all watch it right. Yeah I like going back to the pursuit of all this summer because as I was like look I'm not. I'm not Jackie when it comes to that stuff but over the years talking to people hosting different draft things and make some calls on the thing and the best information I got was from. Gm not going to say it was basically like anybody that tells you they know who is doing is totally fully like this guy is so different. He's so wired in a way like and that those last few days where all of a sudden there was like. This mysterious Lakers leak and then it was kind of assume that maybe magic was telling people like we lock this thing up and then he was registering his kid at school in Toronto. Which is like my favorite fake rumor of all time following where kids are taking classes here. Here's a here's a way to guarantee you're going to be wrong on a story real estate in school registration right like when you start chasing that guaranteed you're in Boston. That's all we're doing with Tom. Brady he was in Nashville. You must be going there. In Greek Stanford Hartford when I was at Bristol and I was was eating in a restaurant bar. Two guys like you know. Peyton manning just bought a house or a neighborhood. I'm like why would he buy a house in West Hartford like he doesn't have to do that? But the point is is that once coli sifting through all of it. It just felt like Pat. That didn't he didn't want to do the Lakers thing with somebody else. I don't know if that's open up with us about that. He was like now. I'm GonNa go do this. Clippers thing once Georgia's air once all guys for their that. It just felt like he kind of wanted to make his own mark. He's like you mentioned. He's very different. I've been around. I've been around superstars all stars. You know he's he's he's he's everything he's everything you guys think of and Som- he is legit he He takes his game very serious. He takes his body very serious. He takes his craft as preparation has diet. He's crazy story here goes to the doctor and they're talking about his vitamin and you know. Abcd goes to the doctor like. Yeah I have enough of that enough of that also yeah. I don't need this drink vitamin levels. It's crazy so I want to ask about that because we from the outside looking in we don't load management is a loaded word and really think. Eli has an injury. I almost don't think we should be calling it load management because I do think he has a knee or thyr something over there. That is more because I don't really know that is going to be a problem forever. Probably on enough. That's probably two of all of you to some degree. I'm not I'm not into medical right but when I want to ask you is. It seems to me that you guys have no problem with how it's being handled and yet it's a it's a big. There's a big fear around. How do you feel about that good? You don't mind. Don't mind at all it forces us to be even more prepared against. Don't play right guys have to step up and you know he's not going to be like that in the playoffs we know. Give guys chance to build confidence. Go to rhythm going and I think you know more people. Planning attain throughout the year playoffs should easy. Have you played enough together? Patrick as a group I mean you have them even played with Marcus Morris yet but the broader group. Has it been together enough for you to have a sense of what this team will look like what it'll be capable of in the postseason and if you're healthy which is still a question right like if you're GonNa have your guys available when you get into that game? Five six seven against whoever? It's going to be Lakers nuggets rockets. In the postseason. I have a lot of confidence and training staff. They've been doing a hell of a job. I mean you really. Can't you know this game? You really can't run away from injuries. But we're going to win. I mean we just don't know how you know that's the thing that we don't know how we don't know shabby ship is the house. You don't know if you're GONNA win as you're going to go through the front door back door. A lot of cases decided roof. I duNno whatever but we're GONNA win. We just have to find a way in docs backs on to make sure that happens. So doc is when I was there I talked for quite a while and there was a lower level of frustration. Because because you don't have all the pieces he looks at it as a coach. He's like you know. Paulin co I've only played twenty four games or it's a small number and publicly. Docs like no no big deal. They're privately. He's like okay. Well Yeah of course. I'm concerned about this a little bit. He said I'm concerned because roles shift just a little bit but he he he mentioned you in my conversation. He said but battle take care of that. And what did he mean by that? I'm I'm GonNa make sure everyone's prepared no matter what I'm GonNa make sure guys locked in all the time I'm GonNa make it in. This is this is not this is the guy and this is Kawhi Leonard. Right right exactly. There's no difference with me. I'm here to win Basketball Games. And that's it. I'm I'm not here to play around and I'm not here to make friends. I'm here to win Basketball Games. That's it when when I watch when the three of you play when it's been Paul Cohen Yourself. I don't know that I I've seen at least in a team. Right now. Is everybody wants these interchangeable parts especially defensively you you. Three guys can switch in ways that I don't think any other team really. Can I remember the Celtics game at your place? Watch some of that. The Lebron game where she called Pat Game. Not just because you're here but you got him at the end on that block to the right side. Howdy you look at that dynamic. And how like how different is that? And how is that? Communication may be different and other experiences that you've had because you're you're paired with two unbelievable perimeter guys defensively. I think that's that's our challenge at times and I think at times we can be. We can be really good defensively and at times can we can just be awful sometimes. But it's all the wheel. Why is the awful part happened about? That was the frustration. That doc has lack off and it's not one thing because it's different things every night you know tonight this night. I might be lack of communication this lack of physicality this. I am I. We lack of intelligence. Because you just know you guys are that good. You're waiting it's a promise you and I hope you'll Franks not here right now. I think he's here. I remember L. Talk and you know we have a team for the underdogs and guys who've who've really been through pressure time life not only basketball just like you know hard knocks as you mentioned you put all that and all those type of guys. I mean we have six seven guys like that and you put them in. The playoffs pressure is nothing in the players. I mean that's why trees and Lou and Cham- myself and drew Michael Green. So we Plato Williams Golden State because the pressure we want that and you add all that up you take that dynamic though your game and pushed it up to another level and at Koiwa Paul George to it. I mean we don't even know yet. You know we know we we rule good but like it's another layer of like we can be really really good. I'm talking like four one. Everybody and then the summertime hits them. Gods they all we told you they were legit. You know but you know we we. Now wait till we get to that point. So what is it like for you when you when you know the Lakers? You're going to play the Lakers. Your again in the same building. You probably see each other guys around town occasionally right. You're you know you know these guys friendly with some of them you can. You're friendly enough with Lebron. Knock on his door and a little bit after the signing but it feels to me when those games are being played right now. They're pretty playoff intensity already locked. We know exactly who who who they are. And we're here to bass while we're not here to put on a show. I think it was our home game. It was our home game and I mean home game. It's the clippers home game. They don't put the clippers stuff on the floor at staples and they have one way notes small weight room and go on and Javale. Mcgee's away Rome. I'm like no take phone off. This is our to go. It's hard music going to listen to what we listened to. Not He can get out you know and that's been our that's been that's been our mindset. You know doc loves you so I gotta ask you ever been in the weight room. When they're home game and what happens. They plan your music. Is You know. I don't even want to get to that point. I was just lifting my own little locker room. I don't even have to break. It's really unusual dynamic though you know what I like now is like one of the rules. I Jack you probably backing up here but being from Massachusetts just assume everything else sucks. Without ever going there might be a small stocks. Have you know we just assume in the northeast? We take it more seriously that we care more. We're the most passionate fans and all that all this stuff and then you know. Hey you start making a little money. Start traveling a little bit. You're like you know what some other places are really great to. Chicago's really patch it. But the L. A. Basketball thing for anybody that's in the Midwest or northeast South and things. So it's just l eight speeches and all this stuff it is as intense as any thing else in this country. Enke's Red Sox will thing now obviously the same history but it doesn't get enough credit nationally and me being there almost two years. Now I get it that it's just you can't just act as if showtime is this this fairweather deal because it's not it's three sixty five. Well there's so much riding on your franchise in particular. Let's be honest okay. The Lakers have history. They have banners. They have hall of fame. You guys are a newer. You're not newer franchise but you are to me. You've been reinvented. You have new ownership and the past ownership was a major problem and you guys had to the clippers. Not necessarily you had to fight through that. So how much. How much of the chip is real should meaning? Well so Jeanie Buss in a private moment who? I think it was someone reported. It said this is always going to be a Laker town. It is and it will always be a laker style even if you win if we went. Salafi will get booed at operate. He's right that's the that's the truth about it. So how you feel about that and I thought I told I told her I had security Bob. I told them listen. You might take him up. Jersey off run around city crazy man. We're going to ship. Yeah but it will always be Lakers town for sure. Going Back Ryan mentioned the summer and hey listen. We've seen the way player movement has changed this league and and think pat how you ended up with the Clippers essentially a sign and trade. Right Chris. Paul essentially tells the team. If you don't do a sign and trade for me and get something back for me. I'm just GONNA leave and free agency. You're not GonNa get anything for me. And so the clippers make the trade. And what do they get back? They get you they get mantras heralding it. Lou Williams which become the core of the team that you go out and essentially sell to Hawaii and Paul Georgian. That's how your team is bill. But that's I don't want to cut you off and that's what. I'm just trying to show everyone out here. Just that simple of what I talked about regardless of the name of it could be Chris. Paul can be anybody the the EGO. If you don't do this I'm going to do this. You disrespect the game. It will come back to get you like no matter. What like it's a life. It's a life balance like anything. You're doing you guys working on. If is your job and if I don't do this I want this happened. Usually it doesn't work in your favor. You know and it worked plus and it worked really well for us and usually that's how it goes who we are used now to a whole different like just look at last week. And I know Jackie's been philly a little bit lately in one day and in Ryan was talking about this summer's pod and podcast like Jimmy Butler says something on Instagram. Joel embiid response. He was like. Hey We gotTA TEAM AT EMBRACES VILLAINS AND JOEL SAYS. Yeah you're damn straight you know like and now all right so now it becomes. Joel's on a stretcher. He's not played well and now he's talking about and of course there's no way for him to get to my. We always forget that part like he's just GonNa pack up and go play. There's no other mechanisms Leonard Miles and then and then the next right. Yeah and then. The next night he comes out plays great. They win against you. And now he's now he's posting. Hey phillies my city and like it's just normal in the league. We go some of us who covered it go. Wow How do you get to the point? Now where you just go like that part of it now is just become normal Does it impact the locker room? Does it impact the way you guys look at each other when there's so much conversation about what's coming next where everyone's going versus what we're trying to do right now in this league trying to win. Tonight's game for a week. Mind a year for for for for players who have lose mentalities yes you can get away with that but you come into a locker room attain. You know who wants to win dynamic is very different. I come on Bro. We don't WanNa hear that. Lock Lock Hand Zip Zip Zip. That's all done over there. You know like move on. Let's play basketball. We're here to play basketball. We're here to win games and play basketball. It's plenty ways you can be very strategic and fans and getting everybody could CA- route and have on your side. It's very strategic ways. But you know it's it's it's it's one way and it's the right way jacky when you were covering the Celtics Lakers great six or teams in the eighties and a player was upset about roll the GM too. It's really too bad. I mean it really was like that and players back then and I get Lebron a lot of crap for the player empowerment that exists in the NBA and like or dislike Lebron. One thing that I appreciate about Lebron is when I say player in parliament in each case he never forced his way out. He finished his contract so he has the right as a player as a free agent. You know he would opt out earlier. What have you? But he has never been a guy that's forced to trade to move on to the next place. I have respect for for that. I have a little less respect for people that you know. Shoot their way out but back in the day like I remember. I remember once there was Larry. Bird had contract coming up and we didn't even know really back then with how much the contracts were worth like it just it was very different league and it was very heavily owner controlled. The players had very few rights. It felt like and I remember. He actually came in late for media and he wasn't like that he was a guy that showed up but he came because he was mad. He was mad that the negotiations weren't going the way he wanted and Jan Volk was GM that time and someone said well. Where's Larry because he's supposed to be here and in general made a huge mistake and he said. I don't know well. By the time Larry landed. They used to have two days and I went to the second two a day because I was new and young and scared so I went to everything so I went to the second today and I asked him about it and he went off like I'd never seen it before. And he said I will only deal with red are back from now on but never once did he say I want out of here. I'm going to go because even though he was Larry Bird he wasn't going anywhere. Free Agency was different. There wasn't player movement and the one thing that every player of that generation wanted was to begin and end their career in one place. That was the standard that everybody wanted to live by. Kareem abdul-jabbar was it was a notable exception but Irvin Magic Johnson played for one team is entire career. So did Larry Bird Kobe. Bryant did and. I know you had the same experience that I did. There was a time when Kobe was unhappy with the Lakers. I'm in my car like I need to buy a dress for a party and I'm in the car for forty minutes and listen to. Kobe told me he wants to be traded. And I'm thinking that's fine do but you're not going anywhere. Well he really meant you mention Kobe. And no real. I remember having dinner with him down in Newport beach have years I was a place he'd like to go out they'll meet him. I was his office right and I remember him one night telling me well. I I think the Lakers are gonna Amnesty me. Jim Bus doesn't want me anymore. He's GonNa dump my contracts amnesty me. I'm going to go to the Knicks Higher Phil Jackson replaced Phil Whereas I Co. they're not going to amnesty. They will burn this city down. That's not happening. No he was he was sure of it. He was sure of it and I was like the dumbest conversation I've ever had with. Anybody is now. You're not getting amnestied by the Lakers. He had it in his head for a while he did. And isn't it interesting? Think about it. One of the greatest players that ever lived and who came to embody the Lakers in the most positive ways. For whatever reason as great as you as he was and he was great even he had moments seeds of doubt and the other the other one with him to was the idea of going to the clippers and Jerry West brought it up right and the aftermath of Kobe's passing about him having to Talk Koby out of signing with the clippers and another thing. He said there was a time where the clippers sterling on them where they play a few games a year down in Orange County. I think at the Toyotas whatever that arena is there in Anaheim and there was some talk about. Maybe the team moving down there and Kobe said to me at the team moved down there. I would've signed with the clippers. My why is it? The commute the shorter. Wait a minute you would. Essentially you're going to leave the Lakers and go to the clippers. First shorter commute. He said yes and that was a time where he would take. He would take that helicopter from Orange County he would land on that ritz-carlton that's right by staples center. I think you could land on. The roof landed somewhere around there and he hated that drive. He hated that traffic and he would take the helicopter all around now. I don't know in the heart-to-heart of Kobe. Ever really GONNA go. But it was even the guys who did stay their whole career in a place. It's rare that eight. Tim Duncan nearly came Tim Dot Landau rivers but think about it. I mean you guys were in Chicago. Michael Jordan did not begin and end his career in Chicago. I still can't believe it but we all just like to. I mean I would like to forget those Washington years because I covered them and no disrespect to Mike but those are like a cement of his legacy that last season he played every writing but that was like the last thirty forty game. Like it wasn't so fun before that when I get the minutes in the points in the field goal percentage. Yeah it was like the previous year he would like. Oh I made a mistake. Okay well now kill you guys know that the team was great or anything but you back on. Those numbers are good but I wanNA follow up on something you said here because you're talking about the player empowerment thing. I've been kind of ANA just fascinated about because I don't know that I have the right answer like I don't know what's right. I don't know the balance of it because sometimes I think about like younger people in my industry and being ten almost fourteen years. Can you beat younger people coming up and they would ask you vice and you'd be like okay. Well what do you want to do? And they'd be there two years doing a podcast going. You know. I'd like to maybe pre-game Monday night football you. Did you go to the drug testing policy so delusional but then sometimes when I think about younger people that are trying to make their mark and they don't WanNa wait in line. The way I know I waited in line. Because that's just the way I looked at it so when players do stuff patrick and I think okay. Well Karl Anthony towns. You don't know that's going to happen. Because that way. His Buddy Diangelo Russel playing with him but the rumors stuff going on to like. Is this guy. You're one of five year extension. Actually demand out is that is that just him calling his shot because I think younger generation would say. Hey do your own thing. It was the Celtics fault. Those guys fall in the eighties that they didn't realize their power. And I think there is this line that you can try to figure out like what is the right call the make and realizing your own power and saying this is my life. I don't want to take it over. And then the line that. I do think some players can crosswords. Just signed a deal. And like I got to know Stephen Jackson when he did that. One extension where he wanted to trade out immediately and I interviewed him. I'm like trade like a week after you. And he hung up on me on the phone so sounds like check. I offer these up knowing that I don't really know the answer but I feel like the right call and some feel like the wrong call okay. I'M GONNA stay. Stay stay with the car. Anthony towns situation okay. Y- Jimmy doesn't work okay Someone has to go. Jimmy leaves fine You get to extend a play. Well whatever you lose your team is awful but now you get you get the Ngelo Russell Right. So what happens now if that doesn't work and that's the thing that I think that GM's they get they get caught in limbo sometimes because sometimes you have to pay pay people a lot of money. Who who aren't really that good when I mean that good. I mean like skilled. Yes talent yes but kane. You impact the game winning and I think when. Gm's changed dynamic you will change NBA now. Now you really speaking to me because I think right now we have in this league and it's really happened the last couple of years when you look at usage rates and efficiency and I'm not just talking about the analytics of it but we have a lot of players in this league that I think. Put an amazing numbers track. So do you guys talk about you talk like I'm not trying to beat up on township because let's not forget like when they do those pre season. Gm surveys couple years ago towns. Was the number one. Pick to start your franchise around. That is the wrong answer and we learned it now with more evidence but with guys that take ten threes game or get calls like how well can you guys that know this game like go out real dudes and these are the dudes that like me? Nothing Mannequins Shenanigans easy. Cau- I mean you take anyone in this room right here and you tell them this. I'm going to give you a big each one dollars and you know you gotta be in Minnesota so I was going to be code but but you can shoot the ball anytime you want. You'll have to work. You don't have to work on worry about winning little. You can do anything you want nothing to happen. These people average thirty also. I mean it's just you guys you guys like. Let's just like it's happening so let me you this so. I'm curious about this. Because we're we're we'll stay on the timber wolves but let's go to Andrew wiggins puts up big numbers. They haven't won anything either but I would argue. So he's I was surprised how young he was. He's twenty four years young woman he's like really young and so now he's been traded to a place where the culture is great where the winning has been paramount. He's surrounded by veterans that know how to win and veterans like Draymond Green. Who will push him if he doesn't do what he thinks he should do. Much like you do for your team like Marcus. Smart Dozen Boston all the glue guys and so when you saw that trade did you say why is he trained for Andrew Wiggins because like we're like doesn't he deserve. I'm what I'm worried about like. These guys are so young when they come in. Should we allow to grow a little bit? Yeah maybe they make mistakes. Maybe you're an environment where they need you to take that many shots and and the big knock on him as he doesn't defend but do we give up on these guys too early. It feels a little bit to me like we do not think that the media sets a standard for these guys okay and when they fall the media switches out to safety and then you have people who are going to be real about. Who's actually now? Tell the truth as the players right now and now as off you might have been right. I know is that the kid blossom. Let THEM WORK ON HIS CRAB YEAR. Terrible they might be terrible for the last four or five the next five years. But you have to go. You're going to use your storms and so and I think with wiggins right a number one overall pick in the draft when you're number one overall. There's an expectation that you're going to be able to carry a franchise. Not every number one pick is going to be able to do that. He clearly couldn't do that in Minnesota. And so now golden state and they don't see him as the number one overall pick. Don't see him as the guy we had we got in the Kevin love deal. They just see him as maybe a souped up version of Harrison Barnes and a on a team that won seventy three games and like they don't need him to be the first option. The second option the third option. Maybe he's the fourth or fifth option. And now I just think the burden for a player like you eventually find your role and who you are eventually doesn't matter where you got picked like no one thinks of you is what forty second pick in the draft cut out of training camp. Yeah right trade into Miami released like I always remember air. Spoelstra told me this like you think of regrets. I had him on a podcast with DOC and SPO- and we're talking about regrets and I know one of them he said was cutting you because you fit you. Were born to play for the Miami Heat right and he knew that they realized that and then once they lost Shit. They didn't get you back but like think about Marquel foltz like why was everybody so like the spotlight was so bright on Markelle Fultz for for the injury had maybe that was part of the could use him but like the sixers moved on from him maybe to save him. I don't even know but like why did we already decide? That Markelle Fultz was a bust. He hasn't even been in the league long enough. He hasn't played long enough and now he's really integrate system with a really good coach. That's been very very patient with him. And now we're seeing emerge now. Maybe he's not a number one. Pick up your right. He's GonNa caliber either. Yeah but it's like it's just seems these definitive Proclamations about young players seem grossly. Unfair to me okay. So if you want to get back on towns here but we put Anthony Davis just stats across the board put. Joel embiid across the board put towns numbers across the board. But like when you're talking with with Hawaii Paul George or obviously trez mattress definitely. Do you guys go. Yeah I know what the stats are. But like this dude is here and it's these two or these dudes are here and then it's like you guys separate them. I imagine all the time. So how would you look at those three guts of towns? Indeed I mean I mean they all score a lot of points they all score a lot of rebounds what you put them in a cage or mantras hero. He will eat all of how they know it. That's the thing like eight nine also down those. Which do you like I can be? It depends on what you get. You know you wanted the shooting a three piece you know but I trust he's not gonNA shoot threes. He's GonNa dump on you every single time. Every time he has a chance. I'm going to put this ball to haram really hard every single time yeah embiid. He was mad because they've gone through all their stuff in that game. Before you guys and you can see the first possessions. You're like okay like this Deutz here tonight. I love his talent. I would put towns at a distant third now with those guys but you like mantras. That's we've all had our share of bad breakfast. Beige plastic wrapped brick shaped protein bars. Dale Break Room donuts frozen breakfast trays. Not exactly our finest moments but now that the mcchicken breakfast sandwiches are unimak. Donald Breakfast Menu. We should never go back to those old sad breakfasts. The McDonald's mcchicken is a breakfast worth getting up for. It's time to change your life for breakfast buttery crispy mcchicken biscuits and savory sweet chicken MC riddles freshly prepared and now available nationwide. At McDonald's that's how you wake up breakfast at participating McDonald's for a limited time or in Chicago. This is an all star weekend with the backdrop of the bowls. You grew up with the Bulls. Were Times you had an opportunity. I think coming back from Europe there were there was some chances. If something breaks a little different you might have played for the Bulls already in your career. Wright Patt came I worked in the summertime with two to three years in a row. Down Agro told me I didn't play defense but these these are the people here the people who are running in Kochan organizations seriously. And that's the problem and I and that's that's the real problem and these people go on and get GM jobs control teams and you guys WANNA writings bad. Is it for you when you you. You're you're worried about the clippers fun. Yeah that's what it is just a true. It's a truth that people don't know dynamic debt fans don't know they can only assume so of course when you saw them you make ask me so so if you can only use owned and you're going off assumptions that you think that Israel and next thing you know this person thinks is real added on what the media's doing and I know now you got superstars who aren't superstars and now you all stars you'd like man. How did he make? This is how it is now. So let's let's stick with Chicago Minute because they've had some injuries. Sorry Guys Carter. Thank God. We swindle could play year because I think he's good. He's really good. And I think Chris Dun had just started to get into a rhythm defensively for sure. I wonder if you could speak to Chris. Don I think he's another forgotten guy that everybody's written off but he was really in a groove especially defensively. I thought he was really sort of proving his mental when he got hurt. I mean the game against Trae. Young men hawks really really great. And I mean but the bullets at a good job of taking pressure off him inter ASCII here and Levin so now doesn't have the ball as much so now you're impacted a game now. Change now bought as much to do something to stay on the court. Let me play defense and you. You find your way. And that's what he's been doing so probably in a perfect world where the bulls are run. Well they've got wow best line where I think. I think the Bulls have good young talent. Lauri Markkanen xactly Lauri Markkanen. I I thought was on his way to being an all star. Maybe he still Wilson Day. This season's been a step back for but let's say in a world where you build the infrastructure with young players the role players. Because you know what it takes to get a free agent you've got to have an infrastructure a typically like. You've drafted pretty. Well you have the role players. And then we're going to plug in Kawhi Leonard and Paul. George we're going to plug in Kyrie Irving Kevin Durant. That's why Brooklyn became a player in free agency because they developed the pulled off the scrap heap Spencer dinwiddie gets waved in Chicago's there becomes a very good. Mba Point Guard and then star players looking. Okay they've got the guys around me like 'cause I can't do it alone. Let's say the Bulls have that? Are they still a free agent destination with the LA teams with Miami? Would you still imagine that guys look at Chicago if the things going? Well that big free agents would wanNA come here if they knew you plug me in. And that's a contender. Yeah but the bullets at the have you know not only the other teams have to have confidence and take a chance on on on things that they don't really go with the numbers like obviously we had a chance. I was a free agent. I had to go to the ball this year and I told my friends we talk. Every day I played. I played for. This team with detainees. Right now we're making. The playoffs has nothing to do with. Skill is just. I'm going to change the locker room. And then you know that losing that attitude that we got we got. I'm not trying to hear that broke. We lock in. What about the leadership council? But that's what it is though and that's why you have the draymond. Green legal right can take the golden state and just take him to another level that you've never seen before now. I like to take it so like the glue guys. We were talking about before who who are some of the guys in the League that you admire. That do the same thing that for their team. That you do for the clippers who are some of the guys that you so obviously. Draymond Green Marcus. Smart Patty Mills. But you don't be lulled the lost art type of guys you can have your stars and all that but in order those stars to be stars you need those cyber guys just like any other team. I mean it's been happening for years for years. Lakers had Derek Fisher. It's been happening for years but a Boston at the time they had Rondo. You know he everything. Go through him. You know you had the ball with everything. Then go through him. He's still lacking in shooting and everything. So you know you need those gossipy successful when Marcus smart cells recall. Do you look at him. And let the competitiveness takeover. Because you know or you look at him with a little bit was REC SPEC. Do you ever feel guilty when you're like? I can't believe they gave you that one because I'm still pissed about the time today. Then Marcus says about that. He says forever call against defensively. He never gets any calls on offense because referees don't respect his game and he's worked really hard at his three point shooting I know you have to and he can hit the three pretty well but he never gets any call usually up there. If you touch somebody you get a call guys like Marcus. Smart and Pat Beverley. Never get that call. I always I'm always like on the evolving. Both offensive players are getting away with right like the ripped through rectify. Why the FLOP FINES? Just all of a sudden stopped happening. I don't know if I missed something there I wanted to show you. Did they just send you a letter? It's less public. What is twitter? I what is up now with the off arm shovel way. Sportscenter will cut it up me like like I'll ankles. You like or Heisman and hardened hardened his brilliant at it right. I mean he brings you in. It's a right arm. And he's sticking up that he hides a little bit and some guys are just chuck and it's like if you're GonNa let Jaanus do off arm thing like how like when you go to a refugee like look I get. We all complain the whole time but like this. This is something that's happening too much now. It is putting a lot of the perimeter. Guys at a massive disadvantage. I mean he's just gotta be. I mean James Harden Been Finding ways to get to the free. Throw LINE FOR YEARS. He changes it all the time actually impressive. He changed the game of basketball. He really does when it comes to the free throw line. So if he's in a he's watching film Man Rwanda what can I do? And I'm defensively now. I'm like okay. He's doing defensively. I have to go rewind what could I do you know? He found ways to cheat the game. Do the same guys we we could do a whole another one of these we could. We could keep going with these guys. But we've we've got to end it. This was a lot of fun. We appreciate all of you guys coming out. It is. It is cold out. There is a lot of fun fun appreciate all of you guys the are group at ESPN. And who helped put this on and obviously Patrick for coming to do this. He's got to play tonight for you to be a part of this and get Ryan and Jackie in really appreciate really appreciative of it guys. Thanks for doing this and have fun. Fun All Star weekend for you guys

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"Saddana show here on ESPN LA, our guest coast today, the great Jackie MacMullan in studio with us as well. Jaggi before we get into the warriors rockets, you had mentioned Kawai, and you thought that he'd go to the clippers at you know, we talked about the Lakers obviously in the last segment, but as far as the clippers like, I marvel at what they've been able to do. I mean, Steve Balmer I mean to turn around that franchise, which was literally the punchline franchise in in all of sports, basically, what do you make of how they've been able to do what they've done to this point. Well, they had to. I mean, they they swallowed hard and made some huge decisions. Right. So I think the the Chris Paul decision was his I suppose going to Houston. But I think that just had to happen then they trade Blake Griffin. Then they trade Tobias Harris right about that. We all thought they were tanking at that point. Right. But they didn't think that and who believed them, I just remember, I dot. It comes every every September to Boston for an ABC de event action for Boston community development. Oh, I'm so proud. I remembered that and I always go to the event, I always see him there. And I always we just chat a little bit. And I was asking about she shade Gill just Alexander. And he said I wasn't interviewing him. He said he's going to be a star. He said where do you see this kid just watch? So I had like so I was watching him from day one. Because docket tipped me off like just pay attention to this kid. So they did some good drafting, you know, Pat Beverley gave them an identity a really cool identity. I think you know, and we can debate Pat all day. Whether it's you know, he takes it too far. But isn't that just what it's all about? I just love what they've done. They've literally rebuilt on the fly, and they literally have recruited Kawhi Leonard. Like he's ion on Williamson. Yeah. They're at every game. I've never the president. They scouts and his gait. Yeah. It's unprecedent. I've never seen anything like it. And I think. Now, you know, how this is George and Meena what we hear is not always correct in the end. But from all accounts like we think this worked if the done deal. Well, I don't think it's a done deal. But I, but I think there's a leader in the club. Gabby so annoying for Toronto to do all that treat him. So well, and then you look up in the stands, and it's like saying, you know, your husband has a new girlfriend is waiting in the stands. That's it. I wonder what the clippers. I I wanna stay here for a little bit though. Like everybody, I think the entire world was really impressed. You know, watching them in the playoffs seeing what they did. And as you mentioned after Tobias left to how they were able to keep going there. How good can they be with? Let's say they get Kawai right within the roster. Now are there any other moves you think they would have to make and we're talking about a west potentially without Katie. And right. Maybe maybe who knows like how good can this team? I don't think Kawais the cure all but point gets you there. It gets you in a great place in a hurry. But you know, what it also does. And I always say the best thing to be is the plucky underdog the plucky underdog that everybody counted out that plays Greek defense and no stars that just plays. Really? Well, and I watched it with the Boston Celtics team that went to the conference finals without kyri. And Gordon, and then you get everybody back, and then there's expectations and there there's not just expectations among fans and media. There's expectations among the play. Players who said, hey, I was part of this. Great thing that happened last year. I'm about to take a huge leap forward. Now this year. Well, if you get if you get another marquee player, those guys that got you here last year, they might have to take a step back. And that's when things get complicated. Jaggi McMullen hanging out with us here. Let's get to this warriors rockets thing. I thought there was some irony with dream on being the yesterday say that you'll complaining about people complaining about the rats. But do you do you think that the whole thing? I mean, forget about just this series. Just the the refs Sean marks going barging into their dressing room in that Sixers Brooklyn series like as the whole thing with the rest has gotten out of control. Well, the the Sean marks things interesting, Sean is very pragmatic controlled man. Kenny Atkinson's the emotional one of that pair. And I think what he did. Honestly, George was very staged to be Frank calculated. You think for sure I did it also for the guys that were playing that were currently playing for him. And he wanted them to know I'm going to I believe in you. I'm going to go to I don't think it was like read are back. You know, charging out of the stands in trying to slug one of the officials. You know, I think this was there was I think there was a method to the madness. Let's just put it that way we can debate. Whether that's that's still disrespectful to the game into the referees themselves. I liked what happened last night because I think I'm hoping we can kind of put this to rest a little bit. The one thing that was a shame of it all in game. One of all the stuff that happened. That was a really good basketball game. There are a lot of really big shots made by a lot of players hardened Gordon, Steph curry Durant. I'll leave somebody out for sure. But and we didn't talk about any of that. And so give the coaches credit give the referees credit and the players credit. They all went out last night. They understood exactly what was at stake at everybody. Was reasonable the players were reasonable the referees were reasonable. I was on the jump earlier in the day with Paul Pierce who was telling me one of the reasons players don't like Scott fosters. They find him unreasonable. He won't engage. He won't talk to you. Can't approach him about anything. You can't have a conversation with him. And maybe Scott foster heard some of that all I know is Scott foster was reasonable all the referees were reasonable, the players were reasonable, the coaches. I'm sure told their players to be and we had a good. We had a good basketball game and the referee had nothing to do with it. And so we're I would say it's behind us, of course until the next game. When there's a huge call in the final seconds, which there will be because that's always going to be true. When we talk about the postseason in any sport. Now, I do think Meena let's do a crossover to football in this. When the Rams didn't get a chance to go. Try to win the game when the patriots scored on the first possession and the Rams didn't get their shot. Would we knew we knew it would end up in the competition committee and something which age, I do believe that harden and others. Who chewed up and take that three and kick their legs Ford, and invade the space of the defender will be a major discussion of the competition committee. And I'm going to say that they're probably going to change some kind of rule. Do you think there's any chance Hardin changes his approach now? Even right. I mean because you I'm sure you saw the video that's got impelled ran it might have run us where that kind of shows the difference between win his threes are contested when they're not. And it's pretty damn. I mean, it's short is smart. He's playing it through. I mean, do you do you think there's any chance he changes that on his own? I don't think. So I think I think he was reserved in the way he did it last night. Although he was out for to choose chunks to the game as the problems, you have with this is although he came back when he couldn't see in shop better than when he could see so we can talk about that a little bit if you want, but I think if you're hard, and you can't be thinking that way you gotta just play. And you gotta play the way you've been playing all year and let the let the referees decide that you. If you go into a game. Thinking about that. You're thinking about the wrong things. Jackie MacMullan hanging out with this year. One last question for you Jackie do you find a way is there any way that the warriors blow this series that the rockets can find a way to win this thing. I think it's possible George I do because it's what's happened. So far a teams one home games. One of the games is really close the other one not so much. I'm not going to I I had the same issue with with Paul Pierce, my friend, my pal calling the the buck series over after one game. You know, it's the old adage that nothing's happened till one till the home team loses and that hasn't happened in the series yet. So just to say the warriors go in James harden has one of those other worldly nights, it's two to one. And then all of a sudden Chris Paul jumps into the way way back machine, and they figure out a way then it's two two. And then we got a series there. Houston's. Biggest problem is what do you do about? Clint cappella the numbers are so staggering. How bad they are with him on the court. They have trained grant green has. Like rendered him. He's him. He's rented them. Right. Draymond looks fantastic. Claw seven incredible. Was he just waiting to play? Like what I know way. He's playing pretty well for a while now, and you know, Iki this is what load management means so whatever Toronto did with Kawhi Leonard. I'm sure that was an agreement that was something they discussed together because they want to do everything they can to make him happy. And he missed a lot of games for quote, unquote, load management. But what the warriors did with Iggy with ego? Dala makes so much sense. You know, really keep him under wraps. I think he's thirty five now use him. But let's not over work. Let's have him at his very best for the playoffs and look at that death lineup. So club Capelle is a big problem for the rockets, you have to I think, you know, I was on with Tracy McGrady today on the jump. He says take them out of the starting lineup. You can't play him against these guys. That can't be true. You've got to be able to figure out a way to let him be effective in. And that's that's used. Charge going here into game three you know, what I lied. I do have one more questions as we talked about why we didn't talk about K dis free agency. Do you feel like MandA clipper? Are you buying all the smoke about Katie to New York? I don't have any. I have done zero personal reporting that can confirm that there's truth to that. Now, there are other people who are more plugged in than I am that tell me that is very very real scenario. I just find it hard to believe that Kevin Durant gonna walk away. If they win again is he really going to walk. I just can't have a hard time wrapping my head around that. And I think Kevin and Kyrie or similar in many ways number one. They're hyper sensitive. They read things they listen. They care what people think about them. I don't think that makes them bad people. Let me just say that off the top. They both are extremely talented basketball players brilliant basketball players who can change a franchise and both of them. Have this weird sort of problem? What makes them happy? I mean, curry Irving won a championship in Cleveland. You know, and that wasn't that wasn't enough for him Durant's one. Now one championships in Golden State in in is that not enough. Like, I just feel like these guys are these two guys that will always be searching. And does it make sense for them to search together in the bowels of New York City? I don't know. I just don't see it. I people ask me every day twenty ten times a day only six times today, whereas Kyrie Irving going, including our co host Munichites who asked me that earlier everyone asks me and the answer is I don't know. And you know, why my answer is I don't know. Because at this moment. I don't think Kyrie Irving knows. So how am I supposed to know if he doesn't there? She is the great Jackie MacMullan where this year on the Sudan showing UCLA. Thank you so much for hanging out. Jackie always appreciate it. I love hanging out with you guys Georgia. I'm sorry. I'm not you're not here in person. When do I get to be on around the horn with you George ought to be on Navarro from here? Are you going to be on tomorrow? No me, I think Meena is tomorrow. I am right. I for us. I know because I'm usually in LA I can't be on with menas on. So there you go. I never get to be on with. Bob, Ryan, it's a very sad thing for me near the very end of the sports report is one of the great things that happened to me as they finally let Bob and I beyond together. That's awesome. That was so much fun. So yeah, that's awesome. Enjoy hanging out. Thank you from shit there. She has great Jackie MacMullan. Coming up next the final draft takes more days mean comes. We'll start our series of final draft takes over the next three hours at a begins next so show here on ESPN LA. Thanks to the great Jackie MacMullan for hanging out with with us there. She's so good isn't. She great. Oh, great. Mean I'm always trying to get info out of her though. I'm like, I know you can't say this on the air, but tell me. She drops bombs ban. When she's been on your like when she was on your the last time was that question. I asked her about Kyrie where she was like. Yeah. Those guys are rolling their eyes. And then, of course, of course, it got aggregated everywhere after that. And then she was in LA when she said the story about LeBron's. Team not being in on Luke that was on winners podcast. But I think it was the next day or that she was on with us. I was like come on Jackie Senate at our show. But yeah, like she is amazing at what she does. So we're super happy to have her in there. So I got a couple of things that I want to ask you here. So we got a little bit of a long segment here because we're going to combine the brakes that way we can kinda squeeze a long segment out here. So we're going to do the final takes from the draft because it's four days late, and you know, you need one last take. So we're going to break down each hour. Mita who is our NFL expert here is going to give us her take on the chargers. This our next hour. It'll be the Rams and in the six o'clock hour, it'll be the raiders draft. So we'll do that. And then just random takes about the draft in general. We'll we'll hit her up on some of those two. But before that so tonight, I have an interesting conundrum meet them. I mean, I'm curious. Should I go see a ten thirty showing eastern time of the avengers? Or should I immediately run back to my hotel to catch the second half of the blazers and nuggets? Well, I don't know if your bosses are listening, professionally one assumes you probably should watch the basketball game as someone who covers the NBA for a living. Now, personally, he's probably see eventers s- three hours though, it is three hours forty. That's that's late. I mean that means one thirty in the morning on the leaving the theater that means I'm going to bed easily closer to to thirty. That's the problem because of the show I'm not done here till ten so it just it becomes a I think I'm just gonna skip vendors and just wait to watch it over the weekend or something. Also, we'll have you been spoiled yet. I mean, I don't care about splitting it doesn't matter. Twitter was actually very funny the day after it came out people were showing like four pictures, and it would say hashtag endgame with no context. And I would see all these funny pictures, and I was like, oh that's going to be hilarious. When I see what the hell. Those things mean. I'm okay. With that stuff. I'm not afraid to be spoiled or whatever. Like, I didn't see what Leshan McCoy tweeted. But if I had seen it, I don't I wouldn't have cared. Not you in an angry as he was like the biggest villain in the war for a doubt. People are roasting him saying he should become joking most Leslie, but some not we did a draft show and people were spoiling the avengers and the comments of the Trump show, which I I'm like you. I don't care what spoilers that much. But I also I cared because I was worried there would deterring people from watching the show because see the comments I haven't seen adventures, I'm planning on seeing it tomorrow, actually. Yeah. I just I might just wait and see it over the weekend. I mean because the game's over the weekend. If I recall correctly are going to be a little I think the games. The warriors game is is is an early start. Like, it's a it's a day game. I think over the weekend I could be wrong about that. But I'm almost. Positive. That's the case. But anyway, I just feel like over the weekend. It's just going to be easier to kind of check it out. Yeah. Let me see Saturday. Oh, it's eight thirty eastern. So. Yeah. Five thirty five thirty on the west coast. That'll be easy. I can knock out of news on Saturday. It's just go like the morning or something. They're literally showing it like at like eight in the morning in some theaters. I think also today's game today's nuggets blazes game. Well, we'll be good. And it'll be pivotal. It's a pivotal kind of game between those two I think because if Denver wins again, I find it hard to believe Portland's gonna win four and a five against them. So I think this one actually goes longer than it's yeah. I I had I had blazers and seven in this one. Yeah. I like we're going to do a discussion about now I want to derail probably around the horn tomorrow. Anyway. Well, depending on what happens I'm surprised I'm shocked that you think the blazers can pull it out Basit because to me watching that first game it felt like the answer to the question of win is this team going to really struggle without nurture. Oh, right. When they're playing team with Yokich like I don't think they have an answer for that. Right. But I just think that the rest of that team scares me a little bit like I don't trust Jamal Murray street player. They've got a really good bench. Denver. They've been fantastic in that regard. But that back court, I think of Portland is so dangerous and Dame to me has kind of elevated to a level where he is legitimately. I mean, I always thought he was a top ten player. But I I would say he's like number eight right now if I were doing the breakdown. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Like, no particular order K D, LeBron Steph y-. Jaanus kawai. Anthony Davis harden and Ben Dame Lillard like again, no particular order, but Lillard would be eight for sure. After those seven guys. Yeah. I mean, it'll be interesting to see who wins the great honor of being destroyed by the wires says. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly truly an honor Charles Barkley believes that the blazers can win the whole thing. So there's that. That's that's great. Even you you got to your place. No. It's a bummer though, man because watching them it it is it is just so tempting to think of how good they would be when their kitchen that lineup. How much you just I wasn't. I don't know. They weren't my number two team earlier maybe halfway through season necessarily or even the end of the season. But seeing how well they played in that first round and seeing how much they need him in this one. I can't help. But think that they probably would give the wires the best fight if they had them. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I think so I mean, they look they well, especially because they became really deep all of a sudden they're bench wasn't great. And then when they got Kanter, and they've added Rodney hood, and they added a bunch of guys to kind of that second unit. Because really that's second unit was Evan Turner. And a bunch of dudes Scott. Yeah. But Evan Turner is you know, I think at this point everyone knows he's just like an decent backup all around type player like he didn't do anything special. But he does everything pretty good. And that's actually a decent guy to lead your second unit because he's you know, a bit of a Swiss army knife. And when he's on man like he can still be incredible. He can still have kind of those moments. So, but yeah, I do think that if they had. Use of Norwich that they would certainly be a bigger threat potentially. But look at what drains doing a cappella so negative. I think is a better all around player then Capella. But man Capella is the epitome of what you want your center to be in two thousand nineteen and he is just being eliminated in this series this for cleary unplanned book and sat lineup it's it is pretty wild. But right. So let's do it. It is the final take four days after the NFL draft. We will talk about the Los Angeles chargers who by the way, we had the funds can you? Find me some NFL music to to go with this. When you get sec. What we had Jerry Tillery their first round pick the out of Notre Dame. He was delightful to speak to. I mean that kid. He's got look if it doesn't work out in football. He can absolutely be real. He can be anything. Really? He seemed very worldly. But broadcasting in his future if he'd like it. That's there's no question. All my God. When they picked him. I was doing the show with Michael junior. Who knows a big Notre Dame guy? And he's a very fascinating human being with a lot of interests. Yeah field. And so you know, what he reminds me of like in the NBA reminds me of Chris Bosh? That's that would be his come as far as personality hundred pounds or just personality Cup. Right. Yeah. He's personality conflict Chris personality comps for the draft. That's such an under tab, right? No one. Does that? Right. Yeah. He was like super worldly. Like, we asked him. I don't even know what we started talking about. We start talking about food, and we oh because he said his favorite place Hawaii. So I asked him pineapple on pizza, and he's like absolutely gotta have it. You know hot dog. He's a sandwich. Like, we got into a lot of stuff with the NFL music for that. Yeah. No. It's actually draft stuff. Okay. That's the cue for me to shut up and you to go chargers. Go on a great you want everything. What are we got? This is a quieter draft you kind of flew under the radar. But that's what you want from a good team. Like the chargers that's pretty div and doesn't have a ton of needs. I liked the Tillery pick. He was a little bit divisive. Among scouts. I would say going into the draft kind of song mocked on. Yeah. Yeah. Honestly, the the thing and a lot of NFL scouts. Don't like is having interests in a personality. So you can discount that for being dumb, but it was a little bit inconsistent. And that was an area though, that they absolutely need to feel to having lost. Darius Filon and Corey legit up the middle there. And then they went with the pick. I loved in the second round the safety from Delaware Nassir Adderley who can just play pretty much all positions back their total ball hawk guide a pair with Derwin James another one. I the big surprise. I think was eastern stick the North Dakota state court. Yeah, they took lead quarterback come on. Well, if it's such a patriot see name that I was a little bit disappointed. He didn't end up in New England. So actually, it would actually be a better safety name eastern. Stick Easton stick. Stick stick him. It sounds like a lacrosse player to me. But in any case, I thought that the chargers might take a flyer on a quarterback given rivers age, even though they've got a very competent backup. And tyrod Taylor. I didn't think it would be this quarterback. Personally. He went to North Dakota state, which is where of course Carson Wentz win. That's about all he hasn't calling with Carson Wentz in my opinion. Based on what I've seen it. It's very very developmental situation. But we'll see how he doesn't camp. Like, I don't expect him to challenge tyrod for the number two spot. And this is the team that's very much lauded for the playoffs and doesn't need a development of quarterback behind Philip rivers. They need competent backup quarterback quarterback. Play. In case. Rivers goes down. That's us fair enough. So. Did you give them a grade yet? I don't think I heard an actual grades. A letter grade be okay safe. Solid. Be. Yeah. I think the funniest part about Tillery though, when he did come on the air, and by the miss that interview could always subscribe to the podcast Donald show podcast on apple podcast subscribe rate and review, you know, until you're friends too for that matter. He told us that he he called he called them instead of coach Lynn coach swan because he was thinking Lynn Swann and coach Lynn was like you're gonna want me one after that. And then he called him code smart again by accident with us on the radio. Racking. Yes. Yes. Yes. So but yes, a fine. Young man. A find young I so let's do a couple of quick hit draft stuff here. All right. The raiders took. Well, we're gonna get to the raiders later. So I'll hold off. All yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Into the raiders in the six o'clock hour interesting. Save time for the raiders in the six o'clock hour. So if you're a raider fan, six o'clock hour, we got all right? Daniel Jones giants your take go. Penny anna's. Okay. And and that doesn't mean necessarily Dana Jones has no chance of being a great quarterback. Although I buy a little bit dubious of that. It's bananas at the giants took him at six based on its production based on his tape based on statistics based on everything we know about him his strengths and weaknesses. He should not. He is. He was not a I don't think a first round quarterback, quite frankly or a quarterback worth taking at six. Everything about the giants approach towards roster could truck construction free agency the draft over the last couple of years in the Gelman area has been befuddling to me, the lack of strategy the lack of comprehension of opportunity costs. If I was a giants fan. I would have been devastated. I don't get that. Crazy crazy. I get Gettleman having conviction. Like, I think sometimes we get on these guys for not having conviction, but that just felt just completely out of place especially coming off a draft where there were a lot of quarterbacks and giants could've taken one. And I think it's entirely possible. By the way, giants might be so bad that they're in position to take another quarterback. Whether it's a tour Justin Herbert next year. And they won't because they have Dana Jones show. A lot was made here of the local kid from hen beach UCLA zone. Josh Rosen surprised the giants didn't get in on him. No due to the aforementioned managerial incompetence was not described. I thought I mean, listen that Washington's team I thought should have gone after him. He fell right into the dolphins lap. Great deal for them. I love it. Just in terms of they're paying him. So little money, George. It's like a one point three million dollars two million dollars. The cardinals had eat a lot of dead money on his contract. And they just get so much upside with him it's gonna be hard. The team's not great Zona wasn't great. So there's a chance. He might not look fantastic and that offense, but the upside based on I think what I saw from him at UCLA. He's abilities is tremendous. Kyla murray? Your thoughts go it's funny. Right. That a five ten quarterback was taken first overall. And it wasn't even the story of the weekend because we are all prepared for it. The big story to me was not that the Zona Arnold took Kyla Murray. It's the rest of their draft which showed that they are doing exactly what cliff Kingsbury wants. They were building that high-powered air raid offense. Take too wet receivers. Andy Isabela a keen Butler in the first round don't bolster their offensive line. This is a team that's going to throw a lot of footballs. If I was a fantasy on our it'd be jumping economy right now. Really? Oh my God. He's gonna throw so much. Now does he go to stay healthy at least to get broken? You know, he's pretty good based on what I sell college. Even though he's a small frame of running in a way redesign get hurt. And that's the difference between like Russell Wilson who's been very good at that has never missed a game. Not gonna would. And I think RG three, you know, some of the other quarterbacks who never really learned how to run Kyla Mary knows how to run any doesn't look to run. Okay. The problem is that line might be so bad that he has to run more than he should. Dwayne Haskins as a quarterback prospect, Washington Redskins go perhaps one of the more shocking. Turns of the draft Washington did great. And Daniel Snyder wanted him is what we heard and he fell into their laps at fifteen all we heard Dwayne Hoskin. Somebody thought he was the best quarterback in the draft. And they'd have to trade up for him. Nope. They just stayed put waited and got a quarterback who's honestly just based on what he did in college. And what he's done statistically significantly better. The Daniel Jones, I really like him as a fit for a gruden's west coast offense, you know, he maybe isn't as Lethlake and mobile as some of the quarterbacks quarterback grin likes. But I do think he's totally capable of executing in Washington scheme by that's a much better offense of line the he'll get to play behind then Arizona art since we're gonna do the Rams of the five o'clock hour in the raiders. And the six o'clock hour, I'm going to sneak in a bonus. Here's as we got a minute and change San Francisco. Forty Niners draft your thoughts meeting times NFL expert. Go least surprising pick of the draft the Niners taking Nick Bosa. Once it became clear that kind was going first overall. Most people finding Bosa was the I don't want to say best player in the draft. Because actually that wasn't consensus. But he was the surest thing. Right. Just in terms of being such a polished plug and play day one. I'm just coming up with cliches pass rusher. He's exactly like his brother and just about every way ranging from his lettuces them to his moves and an primary San Francisco. Even though they did signed Ford off season they need another pass rusher to play opposite for him expect him. He he's undeniably. I think the favorite to win defensive rookie of the year is so that's what you're going to get. You're gonna get four day old draft takes. Okay. The draft has been over for four days. But the final takes final times will punctuate the draft coverage today on the Sodano show five o'clock hour, you're getting the Rams six o'clock hour somewhere in there. Maybe around like six fifteen you're going to get the raiders. So that's the deal. I'm actually look look dissolving to tell people exactly all right Rams at five thirty raiders met six fifteen so get just lock it right now on your phone. That's what's happening coming up next. We'll get to what's trending, including. Some rumors about USC. We'll get to that meeting hanging out Sodano show ESPN LA, Saddam show, your at ESPN LA, Meena kinds is our guest goes today. Happy to have her as always Mike asked me the question. You just asked me off the air. I was asking if you went to any Cuban spots while you were down there. That's like literally asking me that I would you go to a Mexican restaurant in Los Angeles. Of course. Yes. I'm just saying because I haven't been out there in a while. And I know you're Cuban there's so many good spots like just coffee spots coffee shops in the morning. I mean, there's so many when make sure you're not just staying in the room. And just no, no, no. I was the first day or two because I was just so sick. But I'm feeling better. Now house club live last night. I have not been club live in many years. I am not that is not my style anymore. I'm too old to be in the club. You know, look actually the last time I was in a club. I was in a club called story, and they are owned that story is owned by the people that don't live and it was the weekend. The all star game was here. The baseball star game us here. So that was two years ago. And I went there and I actually spotted Ryan Reuss. Zillow there now that I think about it called out at clubs story. Yeah. So that was the last time I was in a nightclub two years ago. Now, what's the average time? People. Leave a Miami club is like three in the morning four in the morning five. Yeah. I mean, they shut down those different right in Miami Beach. There's like a five AM shut off or cut off in the city of Miami. In like the downtown area, there's twenty four hour liquor licenses. So that's where they all the after hours. Joints are nice. So you can go there and party till the sun. I mean way past the sun comes up like you can just literally just go to like one or two o'clock in the afternoon. If you really wanted to like that. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it's cool to do once, you know, like if you've never done at this age. I just couldn't do that. Like, I literally landed. And I posted a picture that I was here and Mike Ryan the lebatardshow producer like literally told me. Hey, come this after hours club. And I was like I just landed on a Red Eye like that is not happening. I am forty one years old. I don't know how Mike Ryan does everything he does going to all those music festivals and parties, and what would you live here? I feel like it's like it's like running a marathon, you're like train. It's different. It's like if you lived in Vegas same thing. Like, if you live in Vegas, you're trained like you just a little thinner. It can absorb right? It's right. You live in Vegas or Miami. It just a different beast. So it just like they go longer and harder there marathon runners with their partying. It's insane. They're like the Kenyans, you know, like in America with a party plan to start late to all right? Miami as to dinner at like ten third that you've never had. I not on that wave at off seven PM. Please thirty honest if I'm left to my own devices. You're like with the and you're listening to Caspian Los Angeles meanest doing the early bird special clear. I am thirty three years old. But Mike in Vegas, you go to Vegas all the time for fights. Like what dinner Reagan's at nine or ten o'clock is very normal Perry normal, very. There's no different there. I think the only difference is there is a beach is opposed to a desert people eat lunch because for me. It's not even about being tired. I'm hungry. Okay. I have lunch at twelve thirty six thirty. I'm hungry again. Maybe I can hold out till eight. Maybe. Yeah. I have to have a snack, but ten thirty then I'm gonna need a meal in between, lunch and dinner. You can have litter. I don't want winner. I wanna stay thin. Madness. All right. Let's get to what's hot and what's trending. Let's go. What's trending is. Brought to us by friends of the dudes brewing company with five tasty rooms in southern California torn Santa Monica, Santa Clarita, Huntington beach at Thousand Oaks daughter being from the source go to the website the dudes brew dot com. We touched on this yesterday on the show, the LA times did an interview with Reggie Bush Meena about his new venture on Fox Sports where he's going to do kind of their version of college game day. And basically they were talking about how it's strange, right? Like, you can't even be on the USC campus. They have to figure something out about that. But the newsy item was that he's on set with urban Meyer every week and he's going to try to recruit urban Meyer to be the USC Trojans next head. Coach sounds kind of awkward doesn't it? I the whole urban Meyer issue is in in other conversation separate from Reggie Bush. Right. I do I'm not a fan of USC football anything like that. But I do not want to see him back as a college coach next year. Do you? I don't either. Yeah. Does I think he's a little inky a little a lot more than that? And also just completely disingenuous. Like if he does return. I would find that. I mean, whatever he's done it before. So it wouldn't be for full me once right? But I I would find it. So dishonest how you really want that guy that guy who's who given not only everything he said in the way he handled the domestic violence situation. But also the fact that he said this is it again. Okay. Really? And he was kind of incredulous when they suspended him. He was like, what do you mean? You're suspending me. So it was all very gross to me. It is it is a key for sure. Next game of thrones. Did you watch the battle of Interphone games? When I did. So funny thing I watched that two days late. I watched it last night. Okay. And I was unspoiled. What a really? Yeah. So I because I didn't want. He's spoiled. I figured the next twenty four hours were dangerous. So I basically logged off Twitter and social media for twenty four hours just kind of posting a couple of things if I needed to and George or the most productive twenty four hours of my life. Well, apparently, it was a strange like I mean, it was like a phenomena like the way people reacted to the episode. I thought it was fantastic. Of course, there's always people out there who didn't like it. But there's a story today, and people magazine that's his game of thrones theory suggests Jon snow helped aria stark kill the night king. Here's why. On Sundays episode, obviously game of thrones aria, then killed the night king, according to a new theory floating on Reddit she may have had some help from another major character her brother while her cousin, but she doesn't know that yet. Jon snow kit Harrington in the seconds before aria reached the night King John emerged from behind his shelter and faced off against Syrian the undead dragon and per the theory he can be heard screaming go see me. Yes. That has seemingly indicating that he was putting himself in harm's way. So that aria could pass by John screamed at the undead dragon to distract distracted. So it can run pass and kill the night. King theorizes a person on edit. I'm reading excuse me. Do you believe that theory you with that theory? Yes. So I actually went back and watch. I didn't see this on read it, but somebody posted a clip and he does scream go. My question isn't just how are you got past the dragon? But how she got to the army, by the way recall talking like. If you haven't watched I already talked about it the day after so at this point go my question is how does she get past the night all kings series here? It is facing. Yeah. Many face was a white Walker. Okay. So she gets a face of a Walker and then jumps out of nowhere. I liked that. That makes sense to me. Yeah. Okay. I'm so that's why I think she I think she was the white Walker whose hair kind of whistled in the in the wind. Whoa. That guy was like a Dwight next to the night. Yeah that okay. Okay. So we hung hangs back a little bit then jumps out of nowhere. I like it. Well, we find out will they ever. I mean, I don't know. I don't know if we'll ever find out didn't they just explain it. I mean, you'd think so. But I mean, maybe they will feel like game of thrones one of those shows where sometimes the explanation is actually really dumb. But because we're so into it we come up we like make the show smarter than it is we're such nerd they were just like this. She got there, somehow whatever, and we're like actually John's sent up the scenario, and then she changed faces and then debited her and the people who make the show that's never even occurred to right, right? We made we made a better show than they did next. Vince Carter's coming back for a twenty second season. How impressive is it that Vince Carter is going to play for a record twenty seconds season holiday now forty. He's my age forty one. I want to say he's Brady's Brady's yet. Brace forty one right? Yeah. Interesting. Forty two forty two Vince Carter one on Brady. Wow. I mean, it's every day with guard is one of those players where when you see him. You forget, right. They still in the league because the team's is on. And then you see him on the court, and you go work really at least once a season. So I look forward to doing that next year. We'll Jubert arenas apparently took a shot at him on his on Instagram when Bleacher report put the the story out it said at no chill Gill. That's perfect. Actually, I respect you love. But there's young players trying to live the dream. And you did every year and every year that you play that's one player getting cut from his dreams because they'll take your name over them. What do you make that said a hot take? It's hot Lixin, whatever marginal player that Vince Carter is taking the place of is marginal. Right. Like, he's not wrong in that. He does have the advantage of his name in probably a teams more likely to roster and for that reason. But it's not like he's keeping players was a significant shot of getting significant time in the league down because every. Pretty aware of what he's capable at. This point next. Zach Ephron is going to star as Ted Bundy in biopic. Extremely wicked shockingly evil and vile has been the subject of controversy. That's the name of the movie, I believe. Since the world premier at the Sundance film festival in January. The thirty one year old actor stars is the serial killer who was convicted of killing and raping several women across seven states from nineteen seventy four to nineteen Seventy-eight, obviously a change for Afrin as a guy who was in high school musical in hairspray. What do you make as the as Zach Ephron as the Ted Bundy character in this biopic? Are you going to buy it? I actually think he's a pretty good actor in pretty funny. But I don't like the idea of a serial killer being too hot. It feels kind of like glorifying them is that I don't know. I feel like also like he's gonna play him in a bunch of teenage girls are going to start idolizing him or some some stupid like that show. The film by the what tells the story from the perspective of bundy's ex-girlfriend kind of that could be good. I just don't want it to glorify him. That's all I hear. He actually was on the Ellen Degeneres show yesterday and said, I'm not poor trying a serial killer or anybody of this nature glamorizing them in any way. It doesn't glamorize killing. This is an important thing for people to hear is what he says. Well, that is that would be the hope then but glamorizes them just by being Zach, Ron, right? Right, right. The interesting thing though, is like before people say, well, I'm not going to buy Zac fron being a serious actor or a serial killer. Look at one point Tom Hanks was in really bad movies, okay? And kind of goofy comedy on ABC right three's company. And and you know, he was in the money pit and just like in Turner and hooch and then he became like an Oscar award winner. So that can happen pretty easily like don't just mock Zac Ephron because he doesn't use ical. I mean, he may end up being really good in this scout hate him because he's so good looking guys. There's that too. Certainly next. Have you seen Christian McCaffrey the running back, formerly of Stanford with the Carolina Panthers yoked? He's jacked right now. What the hell happened there? I heard what his off season regimen was shall we say? I don't know. I thought he was like pretty jacked they did take a running back in the draft, by the way, joins Florida. I don't really expect to challenge much. But yeah, I don't know. I think Christian McCaffrey is ready to be sort of in a spotlight a little more. Perhaps down there and Carolina. I guess I mean, look he's kind of small so you wanna be as big as possible. I get that next Ellen Degeneres back to Ellen Degeneres on her show gave Blake Shelton and engagement countdown clock for him and Gwen Stefani. Have you ever been have you ever known someone who has pressured or been pressured into marrying someone else I actually do? So I'm curious. You certainly wasn't me because I was dating my husband for eight years. I think about right after we got engaged. I didn't particularly care. My parents knew better than to present me with an engagement countdown clock. I've heard of people in the relationship delivering an ultimatum, but an outside party. I have not no outside party. I've seen both. Actually, I've seen parents be very pressuring like a friend of mine. I also. I have another friend who literally his girlfriend of eight years said bleeper get off the pot who and and he got married, I guess it works to kids later, still very o'clock. Really? How long is the clock in? I don't know. She was like just putting like counter a countdown like it was kind of funny. Speaking of kind of funny, Carmelo Anthony was asked recently if he would rejoin the Knicks as a free agent of Katie goes there says I got to see what they're doing up there. Mean Carmelo Knicks reunion feeling that now I want for mellow at this point is the way to go out gracefully. Right. Yeah. I've seen about that. Watching him at in ways last game thinking man, I really hope I don't know what that's gonna look like necessarily. But I hope that there's a way for him to get his do because it's fun. He has become I think unfairly a punchline, and he is a just a hall of fame player. All right. Coming up next are the Lakers backup free agent plans this season being gobbled up. Plus we play another game next hour as well called one's gotta go. So stick around for that. Meantime, hanging out Sodano show, ESPN LA.

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Tweet us hit us up one eight hundred flowers that com Twitter feed my Twitter handle at Matt berry. B A R E. I am not the fantasy. Matthew, berry TM are do not tweet me with fantasy advice because it'll be wrong ninety nine percent of the time. And Randy Scott that does white and boring name as you can have Randy or a and E Y Scott SCOTT ESPN reached at one eight hundred say ESPN, eight eight seven to nine three seven seven six great show planned for you today. Jackie MacMullan is going to join us to talk about the Boston cell. Optics. Anthony davis. The NBA all star game all star weekend was certainly something that everybody was talking about Jackie Mak has some takes on what's going to happen with Anthony Davis and his future as relates to where he might end up. This off-season are caddy in yours. Michael Collins, he was on tiger watch all week Riviera will get some comments from him or what it's like being tiger stalker for ESPN. But before we get to all of that. We have breaking news. So it has come to our attention here at ESPN. We are a large company ESPN ABC, and we are owned by Disney and every once in a while we will have emails slip through the ESPN builders in cracks and this morning's Email that slipped through to the common folk like me and everybody else is it's big. And I don't know how to handle it. I don't know what to do about it. But I do know that we will update you throughout the program. It has come to our tension that big thunder mountain is down. And that's all we know. We we've had several update Email updates about it this morning. We know that they are working on it. It's maintenance related if you are headed to one of the parks. We don't even know what park it is like could be Disneyland. They could have been running the the rides this morning in in California to make sure they're they're safe before the beautiful people run into go ride them. It could be DisneyWorld out here. I don't know. But all we know this is this could affect some some young child day if they don't get to ride big thunder mountain. So we will continue to update you on the progress of the maintenance of big thunder mountain is details become available, or my guess is that because they figured out like every dope in the company. Like me got the Email that they'll fix that pretty quickly. But just so, you know, big thunder mountain is down. Matt have you been on big thunder mountain before numerous times, it's one of my favorite rides that in space mountain, but CMO west coast guy. So I was at Disneyland guy haven't been on big thunder mountain Florida version. So I mean, this this this got me this morning. I have all of the things that we could talk about when I was on a list serve that told me big thunder mountain is down. If I went to one of the parks today and found this out. I don't know how long I would stay. I don't know that I would go get a Chiro. And wait I'd find a way to make a move and get down to the bottom of big thunder mountain is that's huge as we start our president's day and everybody lists, Dan Levitan. I'm at Barry filling in for laboratories, do God's Randy Scott is on his way there this this show comes out of Florida that's down in south beach. It's down there. They're hanging out. They've got the beautiful backdrop the pool the beats the palm trees, and I figured that. If I'm going to be filling in on that end lebatardshow someone has to take up for that Florida side of things. So after I do my sports and a weekend duties, I hop a flight I come down here. And I'm actually doing the show today in west. Palm Beach at our studios, one of six point three FM ESPN. My thanks to everyone here who made this happen. And so I'm actually sitting in a studio with flip flops golf shorts golf Paulo in a backwards hat while I understand all of my friends and colleagues up there in Bristol have been hit with snow, and it's great to hear your comfortable down in Florida net. Well, here's the here's the deal every time that I used to do stuff with Stu gods. Dan lebatardshow from Bristol down to them. I would get so angry with them because we'd be in Connecticut, and they were living this paradise life down in Florida. But I'm that guy today, and it really hit me president's day hit me this morning because. Our condo is situated across the intercoastal reminder Lago. And there's one bridge to get to over the over the intercoastal over to Palm Beach, which is where all the rich people live the normal people live over here in West Palm. And there's one bridge to get over. From where we are in Costa tomorrow Lago where the president just happens to be the president's day. So I go and get my bike out by beach cruiser cut, my flipflops on my backpack ready to go. The number of things that I had to accomplish to get the bike out of our condo area to the inner coastal. So I can enjoy my waterfront ride. My two mile waterfront ride to come to radio today. There are barricades. There are sheriff's department secret service police boats in the water protesters on one side supporters on the other. It is one of the more amazing things that I've ever seen for thirty seconds of being able to get on a bike and come to work. Right. Have you ever dealt with that not recently? But but you have no not at all. I mean, he should have seen it. I couldn't believe it. All I wanted to do is get on my bike with my backwards hat. Look like a Florida Broda studio if the shots on. Yeah. And I'm dealing. With secret service and police boats. Protesters. Supporters because right across you could see it more law goes right there. This be good presidents day center of the universe. I mean, that's pretty amazing that you get to see it all and action on your way to do a national talk yet ram. Yup. I made it I made it. I don't think lebatardshow do gods deal with presidents down in Miami. Do they know I don't think you're all you're dealing with down in Miami, south beach traffic, south beach, traffic, south beach, hangovers people laying beside pool right beaches, not here in West Palm. We deal with presidents. We deal with barricades real life. We right. I mean, we try to be men of the people here in West Palm Beach and women of the people Greg golf on here, by the way that you know, with all my friends out there in Connecticut, my apologies for the three to four inches of snow. You got flip flops or comfortable? I will want some done with this radio program. I will find my way to the golf course get a couple of swings in maybe play nine holes. And then I'll eventually find my way back. Connecticut for the work week. So that's where we are today in the lebatardshow. If you missed any of the show today, go check it out on demand and the Dan Levitan podcast brought to you by Capital One. I Capital One is reimagining banking offering accounts with no fees are minimums that could be opened at five minutes Capital One. What's in your wallet? Coming up next. Randy Scott will join us from his sportscenter studios. Jackie McMullan's gonna get in on the action. And why the NBA one of the more fascinating things with be 'cause I break social media up into four segments to the trolls twenty-five percent. Entertaining gifts memes. Just memes comments breaking news and information, which people actually use it for newsgathering and a real time reaction. And there isn't a sport in my mind who takes the real time reaction to favor their sport more than the NBA. And to me at least right now dominating the year round new cycle was. Something always coming up. It's always been about the NFL NFL's always been king with new cycle year round Melkite remark draft came out this morning draft is on the way, who's gonna take Cuyler Marie otas, minicamp, etc. Always seems to be the new cycle, but the NBA with what they've done with all star weekend. And how everything that comes out about this league during this event is positive in its glitz glamour and its videos, and it's dunks. It's amazing. It's J Cole's Hornets jacket trending on Twitter. All of this goes into that nice tidy package that the NBA is put out to its consumer which makes it right now. The most popular sport in terms of getting it out to the people on social media. We'll get into that. And I believe Randy Scott is Randy Scott he found the studio yet he's found the studio. But then he he immediately left to go to the bathroom. So we don't we have him. But we will. We need a pro sitting in that backup studio, and it's not Randy he'll be in a shirt and tie that doesn't match. And no one's going to be able to see it. No, TV just terrestrial radio today. More from the lebatardshow was due back there and ready to Scotland and coming up next here on ESPN radio is the Don lebatardshow with stugatz. Randy your present. I'm here, man. Okay. We we had a brief connection issue here at the West Palm mothership. I believe we are back and running about Barry. Randy Scott, sportscenter AM Fillon and need seats to a game. Download the vivid seats apt to enter promo code champs at checkout to get ten percent of your first daughter by just any seat, vivid seats, the gray. Jackie MacMullan gonna join us in just a minute. Randy because you were on these sports set this morning entertaining. The hundreds of thousands of people watching you. Oh briscoe. I wanted to catch you up on where we are here on today's laboratory program, I'm in West Palm Beach as you are aware because I'm not there with you. I can see how you dress. Yeah. As well. Yeah. And the Tony Romo backwards hat is a nice. Touch the the the Gulf the Gulf polo like you're making an abundant this is how it is with. Stugatz. You're making it abundantly. Clear. You have better warmer sunnier places to be. Yeah. I've got flipflops on. I wrote my beach cruiser to the studio I had to get through all the presidential barricades because Trump is across the harbor at Merrill, Lago, which is right from across from the condo. Okay. So they're secret service. Good omelette bar there. I'm told last time. I was here. When when when all the president was was in town. I was I was looking at Benach yours over the balcony. And I don't know that the police boats appreciated that they probably did not. But now you're on a travel this. I they saw me biking with the bike backpack. This morning is that what a beach cruiser is. I try to pretend like I knew what that was. Yeah. It's a bike. Okay. Like a bicycle? Yeah. It's it's the bicycle, but it's not, you know, not the bike that people go out of their garages, like they're on the Twitter FRANZ like they've got like to speed those people that wear the Leotard those people. All are the worst. It's like, hey, I wanna be on the road. But I want to abide by zero car traffic laws. Right. But don't you dare get within five feet of me? No. And they're dressed like they're sponsored by someone. It's again that sponsored by any. They're sponsored by midlife crisis. That's what they're sponsored by. They are they're sponsored by look at me. So look, so I'm not that guy to beach cruiser. It's more relaxed to good setting Sarangi happened to have you here for the rest of the three hours of the program. The NBA all star game just wrapping up this weekend. They don't play. I don't think until March for the rest of the all star break. So we'll see until they will right. Let's see exactly what happens with the NBA when it resumes. We do know Jackie MacMullan joins us now to talk about the NBA most. Notably Jackie with Anthony Davis. And the Boston Celtics at media day at the all star game. He comes out and says it ever said Boston wasn't on my list Boston on list. So what happened? When Boston heard that. Anthony Davis dozen fact have Boston on his list. Well, I think I'm going to stick my neck out and say that up until the trade deadline deadline. Boston wasn't on his list. But once the deadline passed and the Lakers lost out on Anthony Davis via trade. He was a meet Boston was immediately on Anthony Davis is listen, I think they were very clever in how they handle this. You never heard Anthony Davis say he didn't wanna go to Boston. You heard his father say it, and you heard sources and whispers and all that. So I think Anthony Davis has has kept his own integrity intact. If you wanna say in terms of Boston. I I've thought all along that Boston was the front runner for Anthony Davis if they could get past the trade deadline that has happened. They have the most picks they have the best stable of young players. So you mix young pick players and picks, and you can probably make the best package free. Anthony davis. The big question for Danny ainges. Will he do a, wink, wink, and commit with you the on that one year or do you roll the dice for one year and convince them this is the place to be and then resign them after you, you know, after that one year. That's just Jackie Ma. I mean, we're we're we're talking about a generational talent. But also someone who has free agency staring him in the face and who's been waiting, right? And putting his years. Into get to that point. And there's also meanwhile, if you're any age you. Yeah, you're you're looking at Anthony Davis. But you have suddenly a skittish, kyri Irving. How much is the uncertainty about Kyrie's future going to factor in with what they offer for Anthony Davis. They're tied together. You know, ask kyri about this right before the all-star break. Actually, you know, the fact that they're always tied together. And I do think it or some a little bit. And he said, look, we're friends, you know, Anthony, and I are friends K K D, And I have friends. That's why these conversations come up you keep kyri if you get Anthony Davis. So it's a very high stakes game for Boston. It's kind of an all or nothing scenario many ways, I believe the Kyrie irvings gonna stay with Boston. I think he's had some frustrations as you guys know he wears his emotions on his sleeve. He says what comes to his mind. I think they're all things that can be solvable. I think the interesting thing will be have the Celtics offered him. The max they can't yet because he's not a free agent. Are they going to pay carried the max if they Anthony Davis they will and? I think the kyri and Anthony Davis will end up together in Boston. Jackie macmullan. Joining us now via the shell Pennzoil performance line. Matt berry Randy Scott filling in for laboratory. Stugatz. Jackie wasn't mildly entertaining. Jason Tatum won the skills challenge. Because he's the guy that everyone believes is the piece that New Orleans is waiting, right? Hey, Jason Tatum is terrific player. And that's obvious. And we're watching them grow by leaps and bounds. He's an unbelievable offense player. I think the Celtics would like him to show the same verve and interest in on the defensive end of the floor. But we're nitpicking aren't we because we could say that about a lot of the great offensive players in the NBA. I think he believes in himself in this, by the way, the Celtics believing him to, you know, this this narrative that will the Celtics don't want Jason Tatum. Well, look, the only way they're going to maybe trade. Jason Tatum is for a generational player. So let's not get carried away with what how they feel about Jason Tatum. And if there's ever any young player that is built. To handle this. It's him. He's all about self confidence and positive thinking. And while this might distract or bother or harm other young players. I don't see that with Jason Tatum. He's like bring it on. You wanna trade me or you wanna talk about trying to me? Let me show you what I got. He's he's a gamer speaking of distracting in potentially harming young players. There is a plethora of young talent on this current Celtics roster. That isn't gelling in the regular season. Like it did in last year's postseason. Is there enough time for them to turn it around? I mean, we're talking about a team that had Eastern Conference finals pretty much penciled in on them. And now they're a five seat is we opened up the second half. Yeah. And they've underperformed everyone will agree with that. But as I've said many times, everybody's just gotta start stop talking about last year. Think about this guy's last year Celtics team that was within three minutes of going to the NBA finals. Do you think they could beat this year's current Milwaukee Bucks team or this year's current Sixers team or this year's current Toronto? Team. You guys know the answer the answer is no. So what happened last year is it relevant? And I'm sure that's what Brad Stevens is telling them I've said all along, and I'll continue to say it their success hinges on the continued recovery of Gordon Hayward. And I think if you're a Celtics fan you've seen some really good signs here. The last couple of weeks if Gordon Hayward can even get back to seventy five percent of what he was that. It's almost like the Celtics made a trade at the deadline because he to me can really swing the balance here. The young players has settled in. Jaylen Brown's played really really well here. The last few weeks and Tatum is just like bring it on. You know, I'll take my shots wanna get him. So to me it all comes down to Hayward. Jackie macmullan. Thank you for class up the joint a bit this morning. I love the talk about leotards. Are you guys wearing leotards? Did. I miss something or yes, I lose Leotard. Conversely that must have them before. I now the cyclist who was right before. Yeah. That's the midlife crisis deal. Okay. Yeah. I I've had to midnight crisis. I did not put on a Lear tar solve it. I'll just tell you that right now. That's why you're the pro. Exactly, right. That's why Jack McCall Anders. Thank you. Jackie. You know, you look at it. And she brings up a great point. If if if Boston didn't still have World Series champagne stink on them and then Super Bowl patriots or gar- stink on them. I think the Celtics issues would be much more magnified. But what what is that city gonna complain about right now? No. I mean, listen, there are always pockets of any fan base. I think Boston is not immune to it of people. Who are just they want to win all the time. If it's if it's competition, we're gonna win why? Because we're Boston. That's why I chose. What was the live from goodwill hunting? I I chose the pipe because because bleep him, right? I mean, I thought it was I thought it was I had to see about a girl. Well, there's that too. There are a lot of good lines in in. Goodwill, haunts me the line. Randy. When he comes home, and he hopes to not see will hanging out. Where athlete comes athlete cups. I come to your house every day. And I hope you are not there every day kid. I hope that you are not went a little Kennedy there on that. But it did we'll work. But, but that's what people are hoping like trae like do you? Do you gamble on a dude that is it going to necessarily? I mean, he's a tender date at this point. Are you going to swipe right at Anthony Davis? If he's not willing to commit to a couple of dates, I don't know man, and the fan base is split the fan base is split in Boston because they've seen the young town. Boston fell in love with this group last year. When kyri was out. It was Jaylen Brown's star. Terry wrote scary Terry Terry Rozier, taken down Eric Bledsoe. Like all of those guys have sort of now earned their stripes with Boston. So wait, we're going to deal him for a guy was we're not on his list. Forget that. How are we not good enough for him? And we've got this young group when we were sort of want to see how they pan out. Gordon Hayward is the wild card in this. And even if you. Seventy five percent is Jackie Mak said I don't know how far away he is from that. But so far he's not the max player that they got obviously the injuries. The injury is why we just we don't know. Was a conversation last year at the Celtics. Do they need X player because they got to this point. And now to me at least going into the back half of the season with twenty nine games left. That's the thing about the all-star break. It's not the midway point. Now. Let's not drives me nuts. Coming up next. We're going to update Randy. And you the beautiful listener on big thunder mountain. Oh, yeah. I don't know. We're going to get we'll get to the bottom of it. Maybe even try to effort an interview with someone who could update us when it comes to big thunder mountain. I don't wanna be giving that from. Nope. No need good until so we'll we'll have that. We'll talk more NBA all star game. And I believe we're gonna talk some Pittsburgh Steelers. We've got we've got a hodgepodge. I'm president's day. We might even go president one through forty five random. Oh, we Taft. I like my job number one, Matt Perry. Randy Scott, filling in for Dan lebatard, stugatz here on ESPN radio lemon apart show with stugatz clever. Joe Stu gods? Matt barron. 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So it was entertaining race albeit for the Daytona five hundred was watching simultaneously the race and the Gulf on my flight down here to West Palm. How are you doing any more than what's that? Are we doing that flipping back and forth on direct TV on jet? Blue. Gulf are are cattiness not catty, and yours is gonna join us twelve thirty back was stalking. Tiger Woods at Riviera. But I do want to put this latest news out there. Randy. And I'll be honest. I don't know if it's entirely true. Okay. All right. So why do we have the reckless speculation sounder? Do we have? Yeah. I like this. All right. So this according to Ian, Poulter Instagram account this morning, okay? In bowl to professional golfer that he received a letter from the PGA tour that says it has approved a change and our player appearance guidelines which allow players to wear shorts during practice rounds and pro-am round shorts must be knee length, tailored and neat in appearance. Alright so cargo short sound like they're being discriminated against so Jean shorts in cargo shorts or out most likely to our Jean shorts on tour. I vote. Oh, really? Yeah. Okay. I would have gone Bubba. Now, yet now Bubba bubbas the guy who wears the real like skinny skinny shorts like Capri pants pretty much. Yeah. That yeah. But they can't be torn at the bottom because of the neat in appearance clause. I'm down here. I'm weirded out by this news. We'll talk to catty about it later. I kinda like it. I don't know that I want to see Phil Mickelson short chooses to wear shorts. I think we're going to see some pretty awesome leg tattoos or varicose veins or varicose veins. It's going to look like an old fashioned roadmap is gonna look like rand McNally interstate system on some of these guys. But no, we're going to see I think we're gonna see like whole, man. Did you see did you see j b Holmes? He's gotta see Brooks kept goes, you have kept Carr's got like a barbed wire tattoo around his see. That's the other thing too. If these dudes choose to wear shorts. You might see Dustin Johnson as a fresh. Ah to on his ankle. Oh, I believe it. I believe it whole like we're going to see so many looney tunes characters. John daly. Going to see two eighty bird on her about the calf. I'm not sure that I like this new rule now again, it's to the players discretion of whether or not in pro-am and practice rather they want to wear shorts. But I don't I don't know about this who who wouldn't want to be comfortable though. Like, that's Gary Woodland's out there like gear bear. Hey, we need those shorts to be kneeling. You're flirting. You're you're looking north those aren't pressed either, sir, sir. And you'd they need. They're not pleaded properly. Yeah. The pleading rules are going to need to be tinkered with its twenty nineteen. But but no cargo shorts that sounds. Yeah. That feels personal. But that's exciting. Right. We'll ask we'll ask Katty cat. The thing with caddy is is he never wears pants. No ever ever ever ever. I've seen him wear pants twice in the one day that I saw him wear pants. Like we read a tournament. We were at the Phoenix Open the waste management. Phoenix Open this year each rolled in wearing pants and like do this. I'm going to need a reset. I'm Anita Cup of coffee. Yeah. And I'm going to need to figure this out because I'm not used to not seeing your legs. But it's also. Yeah, it's the it's the whole like, I don't know the stodgy, and it's like the guys we've gotten away from it lately. Last five ten years, more colors, more personalities, more the headwear, the I wear all of it. So yeah, I'm I'm open to it. But was well, that's caddy. What he thinks. Also, we gotta ask him if he's buying into this whole like everybody, not everyone. But a lot of golfers over the weekend complaining about having to to get up at four AM because they were trying to get in so many two rounds a day if they could because the weather was so awful tough. I'm yeah. I don't I'm not I'm not here for people complaining about getting up early. I don't a lot of that that that goes that goes right to you and is wheelhouse of shut up because four sportscenter am would start at seven AM eastern. Randy has quite the commute to get to Bristol. Were waking up my alarm goes off at three fifteen AM. Yeah. I mean. Yeah. I mean, listen because of where I live. That's that's the main deal, but I'm a bit like one forty in the morning. That's ridiculous. But still three that's an ungodly hour to be up, and we're up we're we're ready to go. Now, we're not out there playing thirty six, but we also don't have anybody carrying our bags. You know, what I mean, you don't really weird me out when I wake up early because I'm from the west coast. I'm from that time zone. You're for your from the west coast. That's what we're calling Zona Arizona's the west coast. Sure. Arizona's the western side of the country. What the hell do you want me to call areas on? What would you like it to be called? I want to know the name of your geography, professor at Arizona state. That's what I wanna know. I wanna know that person's name. It is the Arizona is the west. What do you want at the southwest? Yeah. All right. So growing after south west. Thank you. And I lost my train of thought. No, you're saying the whole time zone thing. But Zona used to be an outback steakhouse, you know, rules. Just right. You guys did whatever you want with the time zone thing we were a white plate with meat and potato. You would just you know, we still do we don't didn't it used to be mountain would win. An all. I know is growing up. We've never changed our clocks, you guys were just like we're going to do whatever we want you in Indiana. You guys would do whatever you want in time lie what we're proud of it. I know what I was gonna say. So when I wake up at three fifteen in the morning to come do. Sportscenter AM, what weirds me out is that if you then go back to where all your buddies and your family is out at different times on you're like, oh, there's they're still out bagasse, right? Yeah. They're they're still at dinner. They're they're doing human things, and I'm driving into work while there's a whole other side of the country. It just got finished with desert, and they're about that bottle service and sparklers when they go out. Shout out excess. What's up great spot? Hide Bellagio y you can hey for meet the way, it's meant to be organic free range and delicious. You need butcher box up today at put your box dot com slash, Dan. And get two free cuts of filet Mignon, free bacon and twenty dollars off your first box. That sounds delicious. You know, it doesn't sound the lists. And pro golfers wearing cargo shorts. When's the last time you wrote a pair of cargo shorts? I'll probably months ago. I'll go cargo shorts will you backyard? Yeah. Cut the grass for sure we get him gap. I get them in two thousand five old navy where are you going to pack son Pacific somewhere? That's still thing. Probably I bet. Yeah. I'll go quicksilver quicksilver member stuckey. Oh, Abercrombie, man. You get no everyday. You can't go advocate. I can't go into Abercrombie too old. If you don't go in accompanied by a minor to Abercrombie, you get looked at. I'm not doing that. Now is when is the appropriate age like Wendy you stop wearing Abercrombie. Yeah. I think once you hit twenty twenty I think twenty. Yeah. I think what you hit college you should probably stop. But there's like Hollister and the aero post-stalinist Hollister's another one I saw and true story Hollis. I saw a man in his late forties rock and a Hollister shirt loud. And proud. Really? Yeah. Like, yeah. I'm weird it that man's name j Harris. Who by the way, by the way, allegedly DisneyWorld? Maybe we'll get a thunder update from him, and we go and eventually we'll talk about the NBA public persona from all star weekend. That's coming up next buried. Randy Scott, filling in on the Dan Le Batard show with stugatz is the Don lemon part show with stugatz. Matt berry. Randy Scott, filling in the tards show with stugatz. You never know what never know what goes out of style surprise in a friend or loved one with the buy one get one free for multi-color road. Rose bouquets from twenty nine nine nine from one eight hundred flowers dot com to order, go to one eight hundred flowers dot com slash ESPN. This way Randy finally make good on that getting his wife anything for Valentine's Day on. That is a as it was the other way around. I got nothing for Valentine's Day, and I gave everything. So there you go did you you actually got I see I don't we actually? And I are nothing for me nothing for her just kiss on the forehead. I love you. Let's go to dinner every day is Valentine's Day. That's exactly. Larry household. That's exactly right. It's more of a you're welcome day. Every day. You're welcome. This is what you wake up next. There you go. We do have an update on the breaking news from this morning. Okay. Let's let's hit that breaking news. Yeah. Laying out for them using news animation. It has been brought to our tension that big thunder mountain railroad has been reopened after an interruption of fifteen minutes. How man I wonder if people were I doubt people were stuck because he they always catch that ahead of time. But big thunder men, that's a staple. That's what I said. That's open to show. I said look it's space mountain and big thunder. For me. Have you was last time you were down at at DisneyWorld? I know you're you're purveyor the magic. Actually Disney World ladies. Yeah. Disneyworld or wait, not you're out on the west coast. I'm a west coast guy bar. I went to Epcot two years ago when I was hosting our coverage of the Pro Bowl, okay, and Ed Marlet ni- producer extraordinaire, we played golf every day. Okay. And we did the around the world beverage challenge at Epcot. How far did you get pretty far you make it go? We went pretty far having said that I've never been to DisneyWorld. I've always been Disney land. I hate to break it to you. But you were at DisneyWorld if you're. F f cots different. Nope. It's different. Sorry, buddy. All it's it's a part of the land. It's buddy DisneyWorld is everything. It's like lion. King is everything the light touches like that's that's DisneyWorld down in Orlando. You're the magic kingdom is one of the castle. So magic king. I haven't been inside. We're Mickey hangs out. Yeah. Florida. I've been to the California one all right near their men. You're in West Palm wish when's the last time you've been man. Oh, eight probably. Oh, you're I hear you planning your Disneyland. Ak Shen retirement. He sports it. Listen. I don't know the lebatardshow listeners have either punted by now or they're thoroughly confused because this is we're talking about talk about a family vacation. But I guess got talks about his his daughters playing lacrosse in Lebanon's going to have kids here sooner or later. But I I'm planning this DisneyWorld vacation from afar, it's really stressful. You may. Is not you're not planning the coronation of a public figure going DisneyWorld. No. But see Disney makes it easy like the app, the Disney all that stuff is. It's just there's a lot of pressure for me. I have the kids. I have the wife look at the baby. Look at the baby judging watching watch in I have to make sure that the hotels in the right spot. And we get the the crib rental in the with the groceries, and how do we all the rest out my this? Yeah, I've coordinate all that stuff. It's like, you know. But there are a lot of people that we work with Matt who are experts at it. So they offer assistance, which we should we peel back the ESPN curtain for the final minute of this hour. I think we've done it a lot. But go ahead, and let way and let people know that there there are there's a group of individuals that are awesome company that love is ni. Yeah. Love disney. Yeah. They know the hotels the discount they know where Mickey lasers headed night. I will. This counts are big. I mean that's part of being a cast member. So I'm glad I kind of need to know those. I mean, I cannot believe you are stressed out about planning. I just want to get it, right, man. Remind me to go to you. When I need you in a time of crises who plans your trips you and your beautiful wife who plans your trips when you guys go on your on your dual income, no kid trips where he goes plans them the internet. It's stressful man. Hey coming up next how to fix the dunk contest? I have suggestions. 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The Blame Game

Around the Horn

00:00 sec | 1 year ago

The Blame Game

"The. An incredible wind and a tolerable law, how Kevin Durant injury changes everything, and how it should change. All of us. I wanna talk about the decisions that puts team over player the fans who cheer pain among players and the media, who covers and the man players to return. Let's get into it around the world. Great favorable. I don't believe there's anybody to blame. But I understand this world. And if you have to. You can blame me. We have never seen seen like that warriors GM. Bob Myers athlete game all that emotion. So enter into this greater discussion there blame not a word I would use for a couple reasons, which we can get into. But since it's the word. Bob Myers us. Let's start there. Jackie do you blame? Bob myers. Do you blame? Anybody does blame matter case like this with Kevin Durant. I think it's just too simplistic to start saying, well, I blame this guy in this in this guy. But if you wanna play that game believe me, then you need to blame everybody. And I mean everybody having just been to the finals. I can tell you that the climate leading up to this game. There was a sense of frustration because Kevin Durant wasn't able to play. Now, let me be clear known was more frustrated than Kevin Durant himself. You go into that locker room you hear things like Klay Pam Klay Thompson coming back from a hamstring. Hey, that hamstring could tear what a warrior he is for plane. Kevon looney is playing with a fractured. I can't even pronounce what it is what a warrior for coming back to play. So if you have Kevin Durant, you're sitting there, and you're thinking, well, what am I not a work because I'm trying really hard to come back myself. None of us understand what he was dealing with in terms of a castrate versus a potential get Kile's injury, which as we all know is the death knell among professional athletes. So if you wanna talk about blame lots. Talk about as you pointed out people in the media question. Kevin Durant toughness. Let's talk about the frustration within the organization not necessarily coming out and saying, hey Kevin, we think you should play? But there's an atmosphere there because they can't win without him. And we know one thing about Kevin Durant. Don't we he wants to please all he wants to do is for people to like him. So Kevin Durant makes a seismic decision to come back and play and look at the results, blamed people if you want, I don't think that Jackie MacMullan Clinton Yates, grab grabby, all playing out before your eyes. Do you feel this is something that needs to have attached to it? I do but I think that the blame is one that I think we find later but I think the responsibility lies with Myers. I'm a hundred percent in lockstep with Jackie on this, but I think that it goes farther back in that there is a street lines draw was when and how Kevin Durant arrived in Oakland and his decision to play in this game, every single thing has been tested for more than just a physical. Standpoint, it's been about his loyalty to the concept of what the warriors were as a squad and what they've built for championship standpoint, you have people talking about the whole time he doesn't really deserve the same credit that the splash brothers do the drain on doesn't so forth for building where this has been. And so when it came down to it, he literally had to offer up a pound of flesh to please these people who believe that it's fair to question whether or not somebody because they got a team of certain way is committed as other people are it was sad to see him out to play even more satis- go down incredibly, well, say, Clinton, Israel Gutierrez, your view of it. Yeah. I think what we know about Kevin Durant. Is it seems like he's a little bit thin skin and this weighed by opinions, and perhaps all of these outside opinions did force him to do this. I think it's kind of silly to even fall for that narrative of he's not tough enough when you consider the difference of the injuries if you tear a hamstring. Oh, well, you're out for a while. If you do something to the, the collarbone area, whatever it is that Kvant looney did Jackie couldn't pronounce. I don't think you're out for an entire year. If you tear your achilles you are possibly ruining your the end of your career, if you're that age. So if maybe Rachel Nichols was told by Steve Kerr, hey, they we were told he could injure himself any further that sounds to be implausible because obviously just a game ago he wasn't able to play because of the injury near his achilles. If you could specifically blame somebody, but I think, in the end it came down to Kevin Durant wanting to do this. And in the end he might end up blaming himself Bill game. I don't think we know enough about it to blame anybody there, Killys uncertain thing, ask Koby Bryant. He had no idea his gonna blow unless we know for sure doctors said you know what he can play but he's gonna blow achilles unless we for sure we can't blame anybody on this. He played twelve hard minutes out there, and then it went it could go, it could go the next day, we go this summer in workouts, nobody knows. And again, let's think, and I'm soon katie's doctors Rin, lockstep his own personal doctors. We're in agreement with this. So I think it's just you blame basketball you blame fate you blame the it's happened before keeps on the UN. Ed. Well, and I think too from what we're hearing now from lawyers people was the target was always game five. So that fact was true. There was so much dialogue. And that's just the nature of our business social media. Twenty four hour news cycle. Always coming back for game three and everyone gets excited. No, no game for. Oh, didn't look, well, it good and warm ups. Well, all that's a false narrative, isn't it? I know you don't like that. I'm going to allow it today. I really appreciate this is some real talk. And I wanna get to that angle in the second. I just the gravity of this rents free agency, and how this changes trajectory, and how this changes the victory of the NBA Durant poll futures hanging in the balance as a player and this came at the worst possible time, did not Bill. What about this is drawing your attention? Well, I think it all depends on how Kevin Durant feels. They handled the injury. We have no idea what he feels the medical people do where the pressured him or not, if you feels Hannah that, well he feels like he's family. He may stay Golden State. This may switch the pendulum to Golden State because he wants to stay in rehab with family and beat a place that he believes cared for him. If he thinks on the other hand that they pushed him out there, that he played against his will they didn't really didn't want to be there. But he did just to please them, then he's gone in the second, and I think, frankly, he's so good that any team would still give him a max contract who was going to give a mass contract. I don't think they probably should, but I think you probably will because he's so much better than ever Israel to view in that. Yeah, I agree, the only thing that would force him out definitively of Golden State is if these doctors failed him because obviously, he would have to go through a full year of recovery, and come back under that team if he resigned, I also think other teams will offer him the max, assuming that he'll come back at the very least a very good player and all star level player, just not one of the Alzheimer's, but I think what? Most intriguing to me as if the warriors offer him blindly, the supermax say you know what? We'll take our measure, our level of the blame we go ahead and have you recover. And if you feel a sense of unity, because, you know, that your team is really want you to be back then maybe you can make something out of this win. Five six championships with Golden State aids. Which is why the Leonard situation is instructive in this situation wasn't about that whether or not the, the doctors filled him. He thought they had failed him, which is all that mattered in the situation of K D in the next couple of months convinced himself that anything went wrong. I don't see no matter how much they offer if he's gonna walk out. So it'll be interesting to see how. Well, I think, but let's just say for for argument's sake that he does decide to go out and become a free agent. Elsewhere all these teams have been positioned themselves for next year with Kevin Durant. Now, all of a sudden, you're going to say, all right. We've got a position ourselves to seasons out because I'm going to guess it, Kevin to rent at the very earliest could play maybe next February, and then houses affect someone like Kyrie Irving, who we continue to pair with Kevin Durant as a possible free agent in a place like Brooklyn or elsewhere, the Lakers, you're right, guys. Everyone will take them. But this changes. Everybody's time schedule. It's are incredible conversations than their important conversations even have today. But still, I want to get back to when I'm gonna call the manager of this whole event last night. You know what I'm talking about the moment where fans were cheering an injury at least initially their fan bases that have done this, and it gets stuck to them forever. And there those where doesn't and this is not to point fingers at any fan base. So that is what is happening today with Iran, the images of Bach and. Lowery quieting down. That's what's with many people after that Katy chance from the crowd, but Clinton, I want to ask you how did you see this last night? I saw this as a quick reaction. I saw this as an overreaction this as a poor reaction. But I don't know that I saw this as the most earnest reaction by the time people realize what was going on. Everything had changed terms of the tone, by the time, people realize how serious this was. I think people understood that was not appropriate. I'm not expecting every single Fain in every single NBA arena to walk in knowing understanding, the injury, circumstance of every player, no matter how big or how small this shows how fired up those raptors were into this game. And they overstep the line and they knew it came back. That's obvious. Jackie you're in Boston, which is historically fan base, whatever they do is under the spotlight as well. How did you see it? Well, I think Clinton's right? I think this could have happened in any Rena in any NBA Rena in the country and Canada, as well since we're talking about two different countries of visual reaction, and by a small amount of fans, had that reaction, and then the, the. Good. The bigger amount of fans realized the error, and then they start crappy clapping and chanting. They, they righted themselves in time in my opinion. I don't think this should follow Toronto around as a sydell. Yeah. We forgive players all the time for their gut emotional reactions. That's all this was a fan said, oh, their best player went down. We have a chance to win the game. Good for us. Then they realized what the gravity of situation was, and they quickly turn started cheering for him. I don't blame them. They're just being fans Israel Gutierrez. To us who follow this, so closely to the players on the court who knew Kevin Durant injury. We knew right away. No. That might be an achilles tear. We did the math immediately people who've had a few drinks are going nuts because their team might win a championship. Maybe took them ten seconds to realize no, this isn't just an ankle or this isn't just a reactivation. This could be something severe. And I think in a short amount of time they reverse those cheers into respect for D. So I don't think it was just awful. I just think everybody that was watching seemed to know right away. Four seconds to figure to me allowing for natural reactions in light all over the place. Very, very important. Also this gets back to something. I think you were saying Jackie and I'm gonna put words in your mouth, but I'm gonna use them here of Jek deflation of athletes, and this is not just about this is about to it's not provocative. I think to say injuries unpredictable and it's not clicked worthy. If you say, I don't know how they should push coming back, and it's not actually, to say come back when it's festive you. So in this industry, I'm talking about the media. Now. When it comes to the fact that we ask questions, like they need to prove to me, if they want, if they want to come back and Beal warrior, as questioning professional athlete, which is what we're seeing over the last couple of weeks and how they use their bodies is beyond flawed. It's symptomatic of a problem in how we've you stories and how we've you athletes that something I want to take with us and move forward as we talk about all our stories. And when we come back by herself, we're gonna get through the game. Now, moment that's runoff thought they were gonna have celebrating. Now we got a game six the ground. Warn is brought to you by courtyard by Mary. The official hotel, the NFL. Welcome back to around the horn coming from the Heineken river deca tear seventeenth. The trophy was in the building. Larry was in the building being brought out to the rafters champagne and all that Saran wrap that used to cover. It was there and then it wasn't needed. Let's start here. Bill plash you how to Golden State survived. How's it not happen for Toronto last night have been hearing a lot of talk about the wars resilience? Forget it. Toronto Blue plate and simple, the rafters Blewett in the last three minutes they miss five or six shots. They had won over day to completely lost their composure to headed the head. The head headed the trophy in the hallway and they couldn't go out and get it goes Golden State with so resilient their last their last place where turnover in bad offensive foul of the, you know the rafters. Again, then quite taking that last shot that you have figured out how to make that work, the raptors blue Israel tears. I mean way too much focus on the last three minutes. If you look at the entirety of the game, the warriors had great performances, even though it was from twelve minutes from Kevin Durant. They had a great performance. Maybe except for the final minutes from boogie cousins look at the shooting numbers from Klay Thompson. They did what they had to do in the final few minutes. Larry, he's pretty questionable. Like, we don't know what he's going to do in time, and he pretty much was. Is that the only thing that's the prizes was not being great in the clutch come on that could happen. Great defense by the Wingate's. Let's point specifically to wealthy perform Blinn, Kevin went out in that exact period of emotional concern, which were pretty well, just in general. I mean, I'm not sure I wouldn't expect any sort of composure from the raptors. Why would we assume that they're in a tough spot? Yeah. To me was in the building. It was pressure packed. I thought they did pretty decent at least us not to try to win it, considering everything. To make mislead and the raptors missed all their threes and golden hit most of their threes. That's online and Bill. I take issue with your, your thought about how I Leonard, there's no way, he should've taken that shot Klay Thompson was on who's dependent and anyone, and then under Eka came over and doubled him if you shot it, we'd all be talking about how we forced that jump shot. He made the right basketball book yet. The shoot of had a play like there was no play call. It was like the play was too, quiet and stand around and see what happens, there was. No open right there. Right. There was no play call. That was well could call the time the heavy at that point, because let me go back to the time out a lot of people are making this about the time out, Nick nurse call. All right. Jackie please the nNcholas call for Minnesota go right before they lose that time out. He was clear to point that out. He took the time out because he was going to be taken away. And this is what you do. But his during and all time run from quite letter. Is it really the time outs fault? Jackie. I didn't mind that time out. I know people are bothered by Aaron our producer is very upset about it. I think they looked a little tired to me the raptors they had the time out. He wanted to regroup and talk to them about what we're gonna do the whole this lead over the final three minutes. Did it work? No. So does that mean he's open to second guessing? Yes. But I don't think he's tears. No. It drives me nuts this conversation. If you look at the place after the time out coli, Leonard Jerusal Draymond green. And then he took a bad fade away over clay when he had Kyle Lowry. Open the next defensive possession. Kyle Lowry got lazy didn't get in front Klay. Thompson wide open three after that Kyle Lowry. Missed a wide open three himself all things that with more rest. They should have been able to do like Nick nurse. Call those double timeouts. I think it's not. Right, so nonsense. We don't need to belabor this point last question here, does anybody think Toronto be haunted by how last night played out going to a game six or your game. Seven anybody thinks this was a chance that they have? Closeout jackie. No, no, no. They're very game at home. And they made it to get a shot up in misset Gutierrez crazy emotional situation going back now they're going to be haunted by some of those shots. Thailand is going to be haunted by that backward by late. You had a wide open market. So there's going to be issues. They're gonna shaky moments. We'll we'll all stand. Now drowns got better team. They will act like the better team win at least one of the next game winning. We'll move on one more topic and fired sell breeds higher. It's Josh Donaldson. Joe musk rope. This was two guys looking at each other screaming, what are you looking at? This was this was Robert deniro centipede. What are you looking at what are you looking at? You're looking at what I'm looking at you look at the loop bit little bit. It was the first inning teammate James Jones reaction of show. That's what he called this, Israel. Would you buy with you sell? I mean I'm selling the for kicking out muss grove in affecting his start in the whole team rotation of pitchers, but Donaldson man like he's just overreacting to something but he has a history of being that he's a hot head. I blame him eighth. Donaldson's upper body strength, removing the catcher with ease as he can have a clear view of the pitcher to he looking at, yes. Dander variety. Joing a major league baseball game on here actually worthy in the first inning was okay. Jackie mecca, you. It was not a Jackson worthy. And I agree with you is the Donaldson overreacted. But guess who wins this battle, he does and his team does because you him for one game. Now you've messed up their entire pitching rotation for the rest of the Bill. The kids argues. It was it wasn't a bad thing. He didn't throw Adam or you take his hat off. They were yelling each other Wasi out of the game. Baseball, so dumb. Facebook could be so dumb. Eric Bill Blass, really feel really big. What are you looking at? I'll tell you Goodyear. Big on Shoda looking at me. It was incredible a Robert. Deniro. Centipedes. Give it to me as you look at. His riba theories, and Jackie MacMullan showdown. First topic as RJ Barrett and his draft plans won't be the other team. So. I want to be so you know. Only the Knicks that's it only the Knicks draft number three Israel you condone. I don't necessarily believe it. I believe if Memphis Cleveland, or Sacramento, or any of those cities, were sitting at number three, he would say the exact same thing, it'd be hard to believe then than it is now with the Knicks because New York is a great place. But nah, don't believe it. Oh, I believe it. He wants to be the number three pick. And to make sure that he's going to tell everybody New York. Hey, I know you guys didn't weren't happy on draft. But you should be I want you. I want you and he's got a godfather, who Steve Nash and father of caney, National Basketball. He's been godfather, Steve Nash. I don't know how I never heard that. It's gonna be godfather reference in the show today. So that's good point there you go back showed that to Donna back Belise thirteen combined home runs last night. Third tease combined runs hundred fifty years of major league baseball, and that is never happened before. What does thirteen Jackie? Well, it isn't unlucky number. And I'll tell you, you have to wonder about this lively ball, Tony. You understand that major league baseball is on pace right now to hit six thousand five hundred and fourteen home runs this season. Better check your ball, people check that ball. Yeah, it's emblematic of the problem here in baseball, because it used to be their homelands or fun. It's what everybody wants to. Well, that's right. But now it seems like that's all we're getting that. Or nothing this game had a lot of that. But a lot of time a lot enough. The ball. Always good advice point. Jackie MacMullan show down three. What was better Ronald Akhoon juniors grand slam? Or the panel. Recorded, yes, bed who caught sit Ronald kunia juniors. Grant slam Israel. Everything about the catch was better, whether it'd be the at lettuce shown the drop of a hat or the fact, he wasn't wearing a globe his reaction afterward. Everybody around him. It was absolutely beautiful. I have I have to agree with the catch, but what I like bus all the people around him. There was the person pointing there was the person cheering. There was a person that's always looking on their phone. I mean, I don't know what's wrong but come on. This is a chance of a lifetime. Good point. I have to agree is never going to get you a point. Okay, israel. We give what you're doing here. Jackie Mak take the face to one win. I got a point. If it's a good look so without very much fanfare at all Tony Parker announced his retirement on the defeat did yesterday. I think it's a shame that nobody knows the problem was this. He played one year too long. He ended up playing in Charlotte instead of with the Spurs entire career, but he should be remembered of a really key part of one of the great dynasties in the NBA. I remember when Tony Parker I got to the NBA, he spent more time on the bench watching yell at him until the two of them finally agreed that maybe he played a little unorthodox not. Unlike his teammate, monitor nobly, they always Tim Duncan to clean it all up for them. They're a great dynasty and Tony, Tony Parker's remember, guys. So you'll remember him as a spur, not not as a nickel. Okay, I'm gonna say. Forty three dollar break. Twenty four.

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Disappointing Debuts

Around the Horn

22:53 min | 5 d ago

Disappointing Debuts

"When you talk to a dell technologies adviser. They're focused on you. Ready to give advice on everything from laptops to the cloud and offer tailored solutions powered by intel v pro platform to keep your small business ready for what's next call. Adele technologies advisor today at eight. Seven seven ask dell. That's eight seven seven. Ask dell an f. l. news of the moment the philadelphia eagles hiring nick serianni is their head coach. Serianni had been frank reich offense coordinator for the last three years in indy. So some history or connection to carson wentz. Maybe while syria he doesn't call the plays in indie. The thirty nine year old has been credited with designing them. And i hear alarms going off already. Somebody loves his higher. So jackie macmullan sarahspain around the home. Of course thanks for being here. What type of hires of the eagles. Just make sarah. It's feels risky to me. And it feels unnecessary to make the higher right now. I know there's always concern in this league that if you don't go out and get your guys somebody else might but this is not a name that we've heard and there are so few open head. Coaching positions. Let that need to go out and make this when you can still have the opportunity to interview other folks. A very limited sources speaking out about him so far but from what we've heard the expectations aren't super high. Offense wasn't that fantastic again. He wasn't calling the plays to me. It feels like there's always going to be a concern especially with everything that just went down at the end of that season for the eagles that the people above the head coach are using the coach of a puppet. And when you have someone that doesn't have a big name in a big reputation coming in. That's of course a concern. There's a lot to be figured out for this. Eagles team will have the authority to make decisions and to influence players to have everybody feel like he's the man for the job on a team that is still in theory could be within their super bowl. When syria eagles choice for head coach for kevin blackstone higher not too much not familiar with him. And i thought that was interesting. Critique that sarah is served up on him saying that he didn't necessarily call the plays. Well that's one of the criticisms of eric the enemy at kansas city. That he doesn't necessarily call the plays of that. Fantastic offense that. It's really all of andy reed's doing and so maybe that's why he's not the hottest candidate that we've made him out to be. It's more of the same from the nfl. that's what jumps out to me. It's not about who he is but it's who he is not once again the. Nfl has reached down the ladder to pull up a white coach to make make into a head coach when it seems like there are some candidates of color with much. Better resumes and jackie macmullan. Serianni the eagles and you had some hope came. Didn't shoot that. Maybe the eagles would choose one of those coaches of color that. You're talking about for instance. Todd bowles who did interview who was already a head coach with the jets and is doing a great job for tampa bay on the defensive side of the ball. My guess is the reason. They're not leaning to a guy like todd. Bowles is the biggest question for serianni or any coach. The takes over this team is. Who's your quarterback. Which one do you choose. Are you going to wait till you see them. Both and i'm guessing that's some of the of questioning that went on in these this interview process and and maybe that's why the eagles lean towards him because maybe he had the answers they like right i mean the carson wentz is the biggest issue with his team that was the downfall would say of doug peterson among some considerations but i wanted to land on one thing i heard from blackstone and heard from spain as well just because maybe he's not a no name of the nfl or that you have heard of the guy we have heard the guy that doesn't mean. It's a bad hire. Sarah spain back to you know not at all but two. Kb's point like if we're going to try to drum up any logical reasons for the majority of players in the league to be black and majority of coaches by far to not be then. We run out of ways to excuse it other than just the things that we already know which is white people are in charge and then they hire people that look like them or remind them of them. And i do think it's meaningful to say that if we've never heard about this guy and he's never been a name thrown around is someone that's going to be in the mix. There's probably a reason for that. Maybe they're smarter than everyone. Maybe they got out ahead and this was a well kept secret. But it's more likely that people are looking and digging deeper and deeper down into pipeline then going for people that for whatever reason they don't feel about going deeper and deeper your call. John harbaugh was a special teams coach when he was hired. Joe judge with a special teams because teams have but success hiring the offensive coordinator of the hottest team in football which is whatever it be enemy is and i just want to say this as we go back to you kevin black so it's never just about one name right. It shouldn't be one name. It should never be one interview. I mean when they play on sunday. It's not gonna come down to coach. Is the best interview so with six seven jobs being filled right now in the cycle what position is the nfl horrible position. Usa today pointed out a few days ago that since one thousand nine hundred ninety there have been three hundred. Twenty seven head coaches and gm tired in this league forty. Just forty were black or brown candidates who got those jobs you know what you mentioned the problem in philadelphia as a quarterback problem correct. Well what about byron left which who's been doing. Helen job in this league right now played the play. The position in this league was a star position at marshall. Did her roic things. They're at that position. what about him. What about reaching down and grabbing out in grabbing one of the black coaches who've done incredible jobs in college as we've seen done in the nfl in the last couple years. David shaw is not a candidate for professional football job. You gotta be kidding me so the nfl has a lot to answer to. And you know what. I'm not really holding out any hope that they can get these things change on her own. I think these are changes. brought about. At the point of bayonet. Thanks for your thoughts will move on. Let's talk about nba last night. Because this is what makes sports. In general great it will always be known as the collins sexton gave what these hoyt cavaliers. Through the second over-time he'd be the nets beat durant. He beat irving he'd be hearted on his own in this game. Forty two percent exit for the nets. The i look at the big three durant at thirty eight had a triple double kyrie irving thirty seven for the team's defense optional. Maybe kevin on your first look at these new nets. Well i mean there wasn't enough basketball to go around the way. Those guys lit up interesting. The james harden only had two points at the break. So they've got something to work out but the biggest biggest takeaway from me is is defense and look. It's only one game. This is a small sample size. We did this to the miami heat. When lebron james i got down there. We analyzed and over analyze every loss that they had. But here's the thing that jumps out to me. None of those guys are standout defensive players. Lebron james is an all nba defensive. Guy anthony davis all nba defensive guys. They're going to have to be able to play defense to match their offense. Jackie macmullan i look on the new nets well and i think b i do think kevin durant has the capability of being an all defensive player and i think he's better than some people actually give him credit for. But you're right you can't go through the whole season trying to outscore everybody else and truthfully on most nights you could succeeded the way they played last night but calling sexton was unbelievable. And that's no fluke. He's the foundation. That cleveland will build their team around me. And he's he's for real. I always look at these. Three guys in will continue going forward. Is i thought harden was being a great facilitator being unselfish. Let's get tyree kyrie's night but the thing is you can't when you don't have the ball you have to still be involved in the offense so that's what i'm going to be watching these three if you don't have the ball in your hands. Are you still moving. Or you're still cutting. Are you sending screen. What are you doing without the ball. Sometimes it's hard to forget you know or hard to remember. I should say that. Hard and led the league desist just a few years ago and sarah spain your thoughts and this new. Look at the moment. it's going to feel like a huge game. And i would think if they were honest everyone on that team would say. They really wanted that win because they know how much we're going to prioritize game number one with the big three there but to kevin's point the heat didn't win their first game with their big three k. D. and steph curry and the warriors didn't win their first game once he came to the team so we soon forget about this. As long as there's progress made but i think it mattered to them. And that's why you saw forty eight minutes fifty minutes especially for career. Guy wouldn't play a couple of weeks. Part of their roster is limited because of the trade. And there's been some injuries but i don't think you throw those guys out there for as much as as many reps as many minutes as they got. If not for the fact that you want to get this w and be able to tell everyone look. It wasn't just katie and harden playing well together we throw kyrie and even better. I'm not worried about it. I am worried about defense. I do want to see over the course of a much bigger sample teen defend. I want to talk about kyrie synthesis. Typically here's return way for seven days. He said you know he's excited to make this work. That what you saw out there. Jackie but. But i twenty. If i may i this is something. I talked at greater length about on the ringer on tuesday. But i would like to acknowledge and also apologize for the comment that i made regarding kyri last week. as for the kyri last night carvings always wanted to have his play. Do the talking. He doesn't love to the media. I think has message was loud and clear by the way this was a career. High in minutes for Greer high in minutes after being away two weeks you can see the talent you can see the passion and will this work with the three of them. I think it can. And i think covering wants to make it work. He wanted to play with kevin durant. I think he's going to make it work so he complained with james harden and but they still do have to defend that's on all of them colin sex scored all those points with kyrie guardians and by the way ironically was the draft. Pick that the cleveland cavaliers got in the trade for the boston celtics sent kyrie to boston. Craigslist i guess. I yeah i lost track of that for a second kevin blackstone. Well i mean kyrie is a marvellous best player to watch. He's one of my favorite players to watch any given night and last night you know. He looked good. He looked like he can do the types of things that we know that he can do. Now how does that fit in. Really not with kevin durant who may have wanted to play with. But how does that fit in with james harden. That's that to me. Is the question who among those three is going to be. Chris bosh right and swallow some of their pride. That's the real question. It's going to be one of those two k. d. breathing. Cairo gotta reading because he played with lebron so those who need to make. I hear that all the time got hit the biggest shot. I know there is a place. Clinton big shot in that game in that championship run. How often gets pushed to. The side is interesting and sarah. Spain on kyrie's return. Yeah it very simple to me when kyrie is out on the basketball court. I'm not worried about whether he cares about basketball. I'm not worried about whether he's going to bring it. I'm not worried about whether he's going to do the most to win. It's weeks months from now. We'll basketball the priority. That's always going to be the question. We've been brig right here by ourselves next and believe the suggestion has been made. You should watch your kneecaps by new lions coach. Dick handle watch the knee now. Do you own or rent your home. Sure you do. And i bet it can be hard work. You know it's easy. Bundling policies with geico geico makes it easy to bundle your homeowner's or renter's insurance along with your auto policy. It's a good thing too because you already have so much to do around your home. Go to geico dot com quote and see how much you could save. Its gyco easy. Visit dot com today. That's geico dot com. That's dan once white once last thing back one brennan with elite. Qb's kenneth on clutch td's lacrosse novus. Step behind the need to watch the clock because you know his wife to push us. Bruce lee showing no mercy. Fat file got the crew on deck lebeau g. Do no one else goes deeper than the espn download. Now we're gonna kick you in the teeth all right and when you punch us back. We're going to smile at you. And when you nakas down we're going to get up and on the way up we're going to buy to kneecap off all right and we're gonna stand up and then it's gonna take two more shots nakas down all right way up we're gonna take your other kneecap and we're going to get up and then it's gonna take three shots to get us down and when we do we're gonna take another honk out of you before before long where they're going to be standing you other nfl. Coaching hire teach lines. Lions head coach. Dan campbell zuhdu productive press conference a press conference unlike any other kneecaps. And you also talked about. This team was gonna look like the city of detroit knows bouncing back sarahspain. What do we have your. What do the lions have here. This is so painful to me and for the sake of lions fans. I hope it turns out. I think but this is straight up three and thirteen energy. This is just. This is just a joke. It looks like a parody of what a football coach is supposed to be i. I mean i think the penalties for knee biting is probably prohibit. If i think the we're going to be too much to take. I think it's going to be next man up. There's going to be another need to come in so doing this based on carnage. Just probably not a good game plan. I don't like it. Sounds like there's a higher from an intimate corner that's would ten campbell sounding like there. I covered him when he was at texas am. I covered him when he was with the cowboys. Not necessarily a standout player. I don't really have any particular recollection of i think the back of my comments and the first part of this show reached down to get dan campbell. I ease. he's been an assistant head coach for few years. We'll see but once again. The lions fired the coach. Who was getting over the hump that they never should've fired in the first place. Jim caldwell you're speaking of to get the exact resume on campbell. Yes tight ends coach and assistant head coach with new orleans saints. This is the first higher. I guess by brad homes the new gm and a black gm in the league for the lines. This was sort of. I just didn't know what to make of this other than i wanted to. Run out to store and buy some volleyball kneepads just to protect myself from even listening to this so nobody gets the raw. Let's go win at say this. I will sell this. It's clear that the new orleans players that were around him love this guy. So i'm not going to judge him on the biggest davis life. This press conference. He was probably nervous. Excited let's see what he does with his players. By all accounts he really gets his players to rally round him. And that's what the lions needs. So if he does that exact. Forget all about this. Although does anyone remember rodman ellie. I'm sure you do. I believe he has an sixteen. It is his career. I remember his intro conference believe he was talking about getting low when they block get lows. We did that. You'd see high for we'll move on right. There's a revolution going on the need to talk to you guys about okay. This is what the cognisant the unsocial call the matrix. It's when you get blown by or flail to try to draw foul and you get that keanu reeves dodging bring this up because it was a great one collins sexton last night. Also joel embiid and daniel tights flail off this issue. Sixty one this game. But eight over boston marcus. Smart said it's hard to win win. Embiid has more free throws than the entire boston team and beat. Said he can't believe smarts the one call him out for floppy jackie with you by yourself. I'm buying embiid. He's right about marcus. Marcus is really good at planning lists. Well here's the thing. He was the best player on the floor by mile. You earn those trips to the line. He's an mvp candidate right now. Tony he is on such a mission. I talked to him a few weeks ago. About his mindset. He is not. He's not gonna stop he's gonna keep going to the wind and the celtics that's on them. It's i can't i can't go along with marcus on this one. Usually on a big man getting fouled and going to the line where he's hitting eighty four percent of his three thro- shots. Put me down for that. I love embiid is doing remember. This is the guy that he had a slow start coming into the league because he was hurt last time we talked about and we talked about his lack of energy. Maybe he's lethargic maybe he's not fit enough. He is as jackie set on a mission. This year fabulous year twenty-six eleven right. Now sarah speaking. I'm buying beads answer to this. Which was thoughtful. And this is how. I'm helping my team and these are the choices. I'm making themselves smart because you're never going to not look soft complaining after a game about another guy getting fouled calls. If there's really a problem like bad officiating you get your video coordinator to put together some highlights and you send it to the league officials. You don't complain about five straight postponements for the washington wizards and tomorrow make six bradley beal. Bending about how the team would have been shorthanded. Able to get game ready. There's a recipe for disaster. So tomorrow's this now postponed memphis grizzlies being parked the next three games. Other teams have played. Shorthanded kevin how do you read this situation with a specifically washington for you seem like the nba is going about this as it happens. We've seen teams play with. I think that number before. I think the seventy sixers. Maybe we're that team. i understand. Brad veal's frustration. The frustration of the franchise with this with this latest cancellation. Jackie for the league is making this up as they go along and i mean that in a positive way like readjusting revolving as things unfold here. If you remember this was this was a bubble team before this was a bubble league before the kept everybody tight. They can't do this. They knew they may run into things like this. I think it makes sense the team for three games. Try to contain it and then move forward speed from what i heard. This is a contact tracing issues. So i think the league might still be going by the same way. They did everything else. It just reads differently this time to me. The important thing is over the second half of the season. The wizards could be playing. Forty one games in sixty seven days if they had twenty day off after either each of those they would have a maximum of six practice. I don't know how they're going. Pull this up evolve pasta. Jackie thank you for the right word there So much say and the nba could accuse me of making it. Up as i go along score wise kevin blackstone that means. You're the first to go get show speed. Jackie back in two minutes. Al white howard shooting free throws these days. He's moved back almost to the edge of the circle. That's a free prone to have. He was red hot water to last night. Jackie has figured out free. Throws i hope he has a sixty seven percent on three throws as a rookie with magic downhill since then. He's had a free throw coach. He's tried meditation. Maybe this'll work. Who knows sarah. This sounds counter productive. But i've heard people say as much as sitting in this chair for around the horn stressed out about it. So if lining up stripe stresses you out check you figured out and then you told us was shooting better from the line as a rookie year. Whatever seventeen ford sarah's paid will move showed out to the game winner in the nba. I it was magic call ebadi. What's the level of difficulty. Well the difficulty is in knowing that. Greg anthony playing already but the fact that is reactive for so good makes us feel a little less terrible amount that shot. But here's the thing. He hit another big three. Just before this and it's been a little bit of a struggle to start the year a lot of pressure on them because foltz is out so the come down at hint this first big shot a rookie tremendous really is going to be a good player on the other side. Just enough to sound sarahspain. Thirty seconds of facetime. Well i am honoring our inaugural poet. Amanda gorman because she also shares the beautifully colored coded that sometimes take shade. And i'm honoring my mvp madam vice president commonly harris with the pearls and the bet on women shirt. It's simple but we all only get one body that our souls and brains are put in and if that body happens to be female it is a restriction that you move through life with and that little bit of seeing a woman up on that stage and a woman in the white house for the last time before. Yesterday was the last time we'd be able to say that. That seemed weird. Every little boy girl that comes after. We'll know that that's something that can happen. And that's something that's possible and for people like me who just want to move through the world and not be restricted. Its massive that. Thank you for that. Sara and and madam vice-president comes out to mvp right mvp harris and perfection is the word that comes to mind you guys right on deadline. She had written and had to rewrite after the direction. And that's where beautiful you guys tomorrow.

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Mason and Ireland (HR 1)

Mason & Ireland

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Mason and Ireland (HR 1)

"Shea brought the ground today. I give a little girl. Mason, Ireland show. It's a fun mix up today. We've got Momo and we've got Jackson junior guys. What's going on loving loving it? Yeah. Killing Momo look. Right. Oh, you know, I tried hard, I got out of bed, and I wore the same outfit, I, I wear when I pretty much get out of bed. That we call that the uniform, the uniform, you wear the uniform like I, I wear the same thing these genes could probably walk in here by themselves. That's right. That's right. Just walk right in so ethic does happen during pregnancy. Like I had two things that I could wear that looked good as maternity clothes, and I was like you know what I'm good. Like these two things I can just rotate. And so I just bought like five different kinds of the same blue shirt. That's like a very Steve Jobs. Remember Steve Jobs, you the same thing every single day. I didn't have to think about it. Yeah. Watch the Elizabeth homes documentary. The they're not so good. The same thing every single day. Today. I think you're always hearing a Lakers jersey. I feel like you do that, too. Yeah. I usually like like black our black all the time. Hatches thing you just throw a hat on chains. It looks like you're dressed up. Yeah. There you go. So last night, the NBA awards took place, this is something that I wait for all year long. And then don't watch right. Or all year long. And then I don't watch everything on the clips. I watch watched all the acceptance speeches as clips and there were some nice stuff. I thought Pascall Ceac had a really nice touching speech, recognizing his mom Luca. Donncha has had a really nice speech, Jaanus had a really emotional speech. It was all very, it was all very cool. I just I don't know. I just don't think the idea of an award show for NBA awards works at all nyc, we should go back to giving out the MVP during the playoffs. They should be celebrating in front of their home crowd. Yeah. Not like it. Almost feels anti climactic now. Yes, the at the end of the season, I it just doesn't feel like it fits like the should. Well, do you ever watch survivor? I don't I still do have watched every single season. They do the voting and they used to announce it right then and there like they'd be in the jungle off to thirty nine days and they read the votes right there and people like oh now they tape like two seasons. Head of time. So, like they do the voting, and nobody knows who won for like two seasons. And then they have like the show so you could tape in let's say April, and your show may not air until the following number sworn to secrecy, secrecy, not allowed to say. I'm not allowed to say it's like it's like the bachelor. It's like the bachelorette. It's like all that stuff. Did I mentioned yesterday? Thanks to Jordan is the guy wondered who it was a guy named Jordan. I'll get his name in a minute is the one that got us into all the Vander pump rules restaurants. On Saturday night. Do you watch bender pumpers mall? On accident John put me on. Yeah. Do you watch it? John Ireland, let me know about it. I've seen a couple there. Online celebrity family feud one night. But. Yeah, that's about it. It's not like something I tune in and say, let me let me see what happened. But if it if I happen to be watching below deck and repeat, you are watching all that stuff. No, I just want you to do watching below deck, and you run into Vander pump rules. That's right. If I'm looking for below deck or I finish below deck is an awesome show, by the way, so good. 'cause manner, give me a cell. It's a bunch of catty fatted yacht workers who talk badly about their rich entitled guest below deck and each other sorta like upstairs down. Bagley all gossard par like if you go on the yacht, and they like so much money to be on the super yacht firt like two nights, barely even a trip to nights, people are just all they do is make fun of you downstairs. And then I don't know why you pay this money, even go on. Because, you know, you're going to be mocked when the show Altoona Lear still awesome, though. So the, the one it's Jordan, Eubanks, Jordan, Eubanks, friend of shayna, who is on the show is the one that got us reservations at the sir restaurant on Saturday night. And you know, it sir stance for let doublet no oak sexy unique restaurant. It has to stand for something. So like is just like the French word for for like near or something. Right. Isn't that the French word? I've no idea. I barely took Spanish. Round, I took four years of, of high school Spanish, and I took two years to semesters of college Spanish, and I still don't Oslo. Well. Think I'll somewhere along the line. All right. So last night, teeny bus spoke. She was on the red carpet, I guess, at the NBA awards said a whole bunch of stuff. I she talked about magic stepping down. What he has to answer those questions. He's always surprising. Good in seeks. He's got stick. And do what is right for him? I wish you would've had a little bit more notice, but I think we're going to be just fine. It was the surprise when magic turn-ins resignation. I didn't see that coming, but everything else has been, you know, pretty much like you know as as, as any organization moves forward and makes changes going into a new season. So as much as as been has been speculated what Lakers are doing to me. We're in a really good place at work following our path, and are going into the next season. Now here's the thing. She really can't save very much. Now you can't talk about Anthony Davis. You can't talk about player moves. You can't talk about. Any decision making that's going to take place on Sunday or next week when free agency opens? So she's doing what you can't somehow. Could talk about LeBron could talk about Frank Vogel. Could talk about rob police does. Okay. But wait. Okay. But wait. There's more that was only one Cl. Okay, okay, here. Here's a little bit more of Jeanie Buss from last night, confident and rob Pelinka looting, our basketball operations. I'm excited about our new coach. Frank, I think that here's somebody that has not only led his teams to play. Great defense, they consistently played defense, and I think that's very important. We have a lot of other changes that are going to happen. But I can't talk about him because of NBA rules, but there. Okay. All right. Actually mentioned the exact two things that you said, right? Which I think is just a function of having not heard anything from genie or Lakers management, since April ninth. Right. April. Silent. It's almost the end of June. And you know what I'm I am going to defend the lake. Okay on this do it. All right. I was highly critical of the Lakers front office of the way everything was structured of all of the different layers of management. You know, whether it's Linda Rambus, Kurt Rambus, or all the people that are involved over there. But at the end of the day, they went from a team that had no chance to win the NBA title to a team that's favored to win the NBA title. I don't know how to be critical of that. I guess the morning show found a way to be critical in some way. I don't I don't exactly know how, but they found a way to be critical. This genie said what she could and Senate as best. She could she actually I read the story that own young music did with I think there's longer quotes. Here's the red carpet. Yeah. So there was another quote where she basically. Talked about Linda incur Rambus funny. You should mention that. Surrounding me, Linda ram Nissim. I've worked exact same way last year's nothing's changed. But whatever reason. That. This is a pretty expansive red carpet interview. So why don't you react to this next, by the way, bottom of the hour? The great Jackie MacMullan will join us and at one o'clock Damon Jones, who is very, very well connected. Yeah. Okay. It's go way to put it. Yeah. Very, very well connected, if you do some reading you'll see very, very well connected. And we'll talk to him. We're, we're all winking at each other. You know what I'm saying? He's coming up at one o'clock. Mason, Ireland Momo's here, OC Jackson, junior theory, SPN, LA, ESPN, LA, Mason, Ireland. It's funny. I just happened to catch this. My buddy, Brian Cranston, along with Aaron Paul. Both tweeted out the word soon with pictures of two. I guess they would be would you say, donkeys donkeys dockiers, so don't know what it means? I don't know that I should ask any more questions based on that description. What telly Jess and again, I don't know, anything, it's suggests that they might be working together again and better call Saul is going on right now. You wonder if somehow you do you know this woman better call Saul is a prequel to breaking back. Right. So technically it's possible that Walter, white and Jesse pink Mun. Bryan, Cranston, Paul would overlap into better. Call saul. I haven't followed that show enough to know if that works. But that sounds exactly like what should happen on just like that. It's like all the prequels and I dunno. I watch this is right. So they are always going back. That's a sad show. Do you watch this is my sister does? I've caught a couple of episodes. That's a boo who were my neighbors in this is. And I always think I don't really want a good cry. Yeah. The one all the, the ladies like out testing Harley. No, no, the other one the dad, no. Ventimiglia and I was thinking my mom loves that show. And I think for the record everybody's mom likes that show. Yeah, every everybody's mom is totally into that show. Really likes that show doesn't. He's cry cry. Like he always he loves the guy, the was sterling. Yeah. Brown brown. Stanford man, by the way, did, you know? Gave the commencement address this year. He he loves him. And we've we are never is like his viewing habits parallel with your mom's were Nevin likes all the sappy shows like so John Ireland likes all the trashy shows Devon likes all the sappy shows, but he also makes some Sifi like you knew. Yeah. Right. So we have watched sterling brow, by the way, that's. That would be fun. So which we've seen a few of, but the we've watched Erling Kate Brown since he was in army wives. Like we literally watched the show arm it was on the lifetime. All right. I wanna play this genie. Bus thing for you again that you wanted to comment on this genie last night on the red carpet at the NBA awards commenting on sort of the overall structure of the Lakers organization at this moment. Actually, let me set it up better. She's talking about the Rambus is ran by the ram by Linda and Kirk. Surrounding me, Linda round, this exact same way for the last thirty years. Nothing's changed. Whenever reason. One. So. When you own a team to do whatever the heck you hire who you want? You do what you so. There was always a part of me that thought it was silly that the, the Linda, Kurt thing became a story because she's right, they, they literally have had this role for thirty years. Right. Linda Genia been actually forty years for being real the forum and the lake shirts. Seventy nine that's forty years. And they've worked really closely the difference is between now and then is everybody seems to know it. Yeah. And that connotes something more than just. Oh now everyone's figured out. Everybody. Find out, I think it was because the layer between the public and what was really going on when away when magic resigned. That's right. A magic was forward facing. And magic was almost like a game of Jenga, you pull out lock and everything. Yeah, that's behind the scene. No, I know what all the blocks are, and nothing has changed, except for the Ford facing of management is not there anymore. Magic resigned. But that is also kind of important, which is everyone is Asian has people like Linda Rambus, who are really influential really good at what they do and have been in those types of positions, and people who cover the team, people who are around the team and do business with them agents know this reporters know this, it's the there's every organization has people like that. I if you're good reported, you always figure those out because then nobody can figure out who you, actually know who's doing these behind the scenes every every team. I've covered the Cavs had people like that. The warriors. That clippers everybody. And the difference is those people don't necessarily have forward facing jobs, which means they are not usually held publicly accountable for anything right? Don't have a title that. And maybe they're not paid the way I have no idea when the appearance of it was dysfunction than all the sudden the non forward-facing people were exposed publicly right? And it doesn't necessarily mean there's function behind the I think magic was a lot of the dysfunction now. I mean, we we he carpet bomb the franchise after after he left. I mean sometimes when you have to keep asking who where the problem is. It's like, oh, maybe I'm the problem, right? I think that when you look at it, it's nothing. She's right. Nothing is really all that different, except for the forward facing guy, who's who was answering all those questions, who is the person we would expect to give answers to is Luke Walton, your coach anymore, wise, frankly, who coach, they, they were putting rob Lincoln out there to those press conferences for a while now. But magic was guy. I mean that's really what he was hired to do is be the forward facing management voice of the Lakers, and they have not replaced him with anyone. And I think that's why there was such a clamor for g Nita talk. Right. And technically she has replaced him technically rob Pelinka is the replacement not by title but by function. Is that not true knows not true? Because the job that he had their official stances. We created that job four magic and therefore now that he's gone. We're not replacing it. So rob just assumes the power that magic had win. But go back to the Jim bus wasn't Jim bus, president of basketball operations Mitch Cup Jack was his official title was executive vice president of. So I believe that that's the wrong explanation that the Lakers have given they like that they created this position for magic because whether the titles, executive EP or president of basketball, operations, it functioned the same way it was somebody above the general manager between Jeter manager ownership, and so that position has now been removed doesn't exist in the corporate. Hierarchy, then rob is essentially functioning that way. Correct. Yeah. They just title that void, what's your level of confidence in the front office shape while I mean, every time you talk to rob he gives you some sort of analogy. Yeah. It's not straightforward answer and. You know, it's just when I hear things about rob Pelinka like other GM's, don't like negotiating with him. That's a problem. That's, that's an issue. And so as Laker fans will we hear Jeannie, say that they're completely behind rob a little worried because all the good things that I've gotten so far I can find a way to credit Rich Paul for them. And I don't want that. I want somebody to make me feel secure while they have the keys to the franchisee I said it before I'll say it again, I said it before the Anthony Davis trait. I said that if rob Pelinka makes that deal in my mind he fits the suit. That is a gigantic trade that is a franchise changing trade. That is a league changing trade that is a transcendent player to team up with LeBron James, and he deserves a ton of credit for it. And I know that this Rich Paul is pulling all the strings thing is out there and Rich Paul is certainly part of all this. He drew a bra. Red line and, and told the New Orleans pelicans and everybody else that Anthony Davis was going to be a free agent. No matter what in the twenty twenty season. But that's still put rob in a position to make the deal or not make the deal. And he did make the deal, and I believe it is a deal that puts us in position to win a championship. I will save all of my heavy judgment for after July. Once I start seeing the pieces. He puts a round these two giants and cow. Coups mo- we've forget to talk about cow Kouzmin I we're going to stop doing the two giants. On five until they get some more players is important until I see what's around them. You know, I'll hold back my judgment of raw, but I'm a Laker first and foremost, genie, tell me to get behind him. Give hind him. All right. He's also the guy who cap space to get rid of MAs gov. Dang and get LeBron here. Still paying dang, but yet nine still getting five million against the cap. It's not. That's not bad. Coming up next for you. Jackie MacMullan will join us as we get ready for free agency, which will kick off three o'clock on Sunday. And, you know, Momo that means to Mingo. Sunday at three o'clock. All right. Excited if you're looking why just I always bring it citing fun. Yes. Panel Mason in Ireland Momo is here. And so is OJ Jackson junior. And it's not often that we get a legend on this show a legend. But today we're lucky enough to have Jackie MacMullan on the line. Hey, jackie. How are you? Well how I'm pretty good after that introduction. Yeah, so you're, you're, you're right in the middle of the kyri, your Ving situation, describe, what's gone on there, because it sounds like kyri that the idea of staying with the Celtics is pretty much dead. Well, I would add accurate and I wish I could tell you what exactly happened because I'm not sure any of us really know. I do believe earlier in the year when the season started when tire e you know faced a bunch of season. Ticket holders and said I wanna stay here forever. If you'll have any I think he meant it I really do. But over the course of the season nothing has gone right for this team. I keep saying that you all the way back to them trading for Kyran not soon after they had a great preseason. He and Gordon Hayward at great chemistry and Gordon Hayward tears up his his body in a catastrophic injury. And, and they, you know, they plot along, everybody thinks they're season's over it. Isn't they do? Well, and then Kyrie goes down, you know with yet another surgery. And then you go to the next year, if everybody's back in their favorite except for and they've got this great pick this great Sacramento, pick that's going to be a high lottery pick. Come june. Well, Sacramento, got good and all of a sudden that lottery picking so good. And all of a sudden young. Is that excelled in the previous year take a step back because they're minutes are back down their shots are down saying with Gordon Hayward struggles to get back? You know, he's force fed into that, starting lineup for a bit, and that doesn't work, and then you get down to the draft lottery to be this is the piece to resist on the Lakers, but that number four pick. And, and I'm sure Ramona can confirm that he when all of a sudden David Griffin like saying to his owner, I know you don't want to deal with the Lakers, but they now have the best package. And that's what that number four pick, did for them. So it's just been a lot of busy here, a lot of things gone wrong. And you almost can't even point the finger at a lot of it because some of it's just really bad luck. Is there anything they could have done to manage the relationship with Kyrie any differently? I've thought about that a lot Ramona I was around kyri a lot. I only like, Tyree he so smart. He can be really, really engaging one minute, but, you know, like a lot of these guys who are dealing with a lot of pressures and a lot. Outside voices. You know, the next day, you come in, and, and everybody's like, Nope. Stay away today. And I don't think that makes him unique to other NBA players or other NBA superstars. But for some reason, it just seemed to be extenuated here and I really go back to the Gordon Hayward injury the original injury, and then his battle this year to try to make it back. He just struggled. He struggled all your mentally physically if he had been the same old Gordon Hayward. Who knows how we'd be looking at this thing, but it just went south in a hurry. And with them with Gordon out there playing his way back in to, you know, trying to be better and those young players sitting there going wait a minute. What about us man? You know it just it, it didn't work. It's wrong to blame it all on kyri. But did carry have a hand in it. Yes. Because he was so up and down the team tended to go up and down with them a little bit. Do you feel like KAI? Read to Brooklyn is more or less done. I think that's a complicated question for this reason because the plan, all along, I believe, and I think again, Ramon, I think, so, often was that Ramona doubting that Kyrie not Ramon, Katie? Although that would be interesting would be an interesting teaming. Yeah, I am a good assist Carson. Yeah. They, they had some interest in doing something together. We heard the Knicks forever. Didn't we the Brooklyn nets in such a short amount of time has built an incredible culture there? They have a state of the art facility, one of the best, you know, medical staff in, in the league they give Sean marks and Kenya. Both a ton of credit. They got there faster than everybody thought probably, including Durant, and Kyrie I think, in a perfect world. If you're the nets, you get both of those guys, I think gets a little dicey if Durant goes somewhere else. Now remember, he's gonna have to sit out all next year regardless, and I think there has been some trepidation because if you're watching the situation at Boston, your GM, and you're doing your due diligence. You're trying to figure out what? It is it, that's gonna make Harry happy. And that's the forty nine million dollar question. Because that's about how much money he's gonna walk away from by not resigning with boss. Jackie has it. You know, as we go into free agency. I think that we're at a fever pitch and every single year it gets more. But this year feels like like the Super Bowl because there's so many big guys who were hitting agency the same time and I'm wondering if it was always like this, like Jackie's in the hall of fame, for those of you who don't know. I don't know how you could not know but she was it always like this for free agency. Was there ever on there, ever this kind of interest, Ramona back in the day, you know, back in the eighties and the, you know, some of the really glamour point of the, the eighties, ninety the things that everybody wanted to do was to begin their career in the same place? Think about it. Magic Johnson only played one place. Michael Jordan is the exception. But there we can we can talk all day about why that happened. Larry Bird, began and ended his career Tim Duncan. Began and ended his career that was the badge of honor. That's what people into because there wasn't the same player empowerment that there is now and I give LeBron James all the credit in the world for that, he's the one that introduced player empowerment into this leak, you know, he's when it said, no, you know what? I'm going to send a two year deal but I'm going to opt out after this much, and everybody started to follow suit. So I think that's why you see this Ramona. This is unprecedented in my mind, especially this particular summer. You're talking Kawai Leonard, Kevin Durant. I'm gonna miss people here. Klay Thompson, Kyrie Irving. They'll begin with k Kemba Walker who am. I missing guide Tobias more goodbyes yet, Jimmy Butler all like you're talking the cream of the crop here. All of them up at the same time, I can't every member year like this. Jackie how big of a hit was Al Horford, leaving the team. Is there vibe around the city? That, that's a big hit. And how serious do you feel about these Kimball Walker talks? Well, I think though her hit is a big one and we'll find out. There's been some conflicting reports regarding where he's going to land and for how much I think what we do know because this is how this works is that when he opted, he decided to opt out and he was going to talk with the Celtics, but it became clear that there was a better off out there somewhere, where is that somewhere? I you know, we've heard, Dallas heard the clippers we've heard the Lakers. But I've always contended that I think he's one of these guys that has to wait for the Domino's to phone everybody, you know, a bunch of teams that want only one of them's gonna get him. There's a domino that's gonna fall. I a lot of things Kevin Durant that domino has to fall and then a guy like Al Horford can look at the landscape because he's not, I don't believe that he's anybody's planning a there's too many other high level players in front of him. We just talked about free agents. We even mention out that doesn't mean that Al campy a really important piece to your team, but he's not Kevin Durant, not quiet Leonard. And so he has to wait for the. Dominos to fall. All these Tobias Harris Jimmy Butler. All these guys Kemba Walker. They're like they're all high high level players, but they're not coli. They're not Kevin Durant. And those, those are gonna start a chain of events wherever those guys land, then everybody starts scrambling. And I guarantee you and Ramona seen it. And I've seen it inside these, these civilities. They've got a whiteboard, and they've got plant ABC f and g all these guys that are, are looking after free agents pay. Jackie, thank you very much for coming out. We appreciate a lot. Thanks for all the inside. All right. Guys. Have a great day. All right. There's jack. That's the girl does the woman. Yes. She is. She is you see my one question was about the pain of Boston. How big of a hit did you? When you lock out, or for you really think you're going to. It's amazing to me, how much interest in free agency is now while it is, let's talk about that coming up next because I think, I think it is fascinating, the way it is developed in just the last few years. Mason in Ireland Momo's here. OJ Jackson juniors here, ESPN, LA, ninety s family Mason, Ireland, Momo's hero. She Jackson junior, thanks to Jackie MacMullan for join us. She is a hall of Famer. We have very few hall of famers on the show, Greg, who's last hall of Famer you booked on the show. That's what I thought. Yeah. Nobody you're in some hall of fame. Right. I'm not I'm not an any hall halls of fame yet on it. John. Well, it's like a southern. Oh, wait a minute. I'm in the maumee high school holiday, we induct him into some kind of hall of fame. John, john. Yeah. Exactly. I think he got we gave him a war hall of fame. We roasted something you would absolutely hate that if he was in the hall of fame before you. He's not an any hall thing maybe like an Orange County. I think we literally drove all the way to that hotel got an award from the, the sportsmanship fame. Fame fame the new. Hall of Famer John, I it was not. We gotta find out. Find out it was not it was not a hall of fame, but I. High school hall of fame. That's a hall of fame along with the Heisman Trophy. It's the southern California Jewish sports hall of fame. There you go. All the fan me, and Ryan Braun STAN Casten. Wow, you know, like to point out that I am both both polish and talion. So if they're halls fame for even one of them. I mean bailable it's just it's only southern California that Italian hall of fame. They do. Sean ski how. That where which would it be like in Pennsylvania, like, Ohio, polish hall of fame, or in LA? Do they have always giving national national? Oh, see I've not even in the national Jewish. Whereas only southern California, I still have to get out of Madonna dance to waiting for my star on the Hollywood walk. I think there's some about straight outta Compton in the Grammy hall of fame thing. See raise. Yeah. There is not mistaken. All right. Hey. Synthesize it perfectly into what we're about stunk about join ESPN Elaine at bar. Louie in Downey for our second annual free agency party will be broadcast live all day long starting at six AM bar. Louie is located at eight sixty Apollo way in Downey off the one. Oh five Lakewood boulevard. Happy hour specials starting at six AM with the morning show that is it is still Keyshawn l z and Travis, right? All they all still got the judge Stiller there, along with me. And while me end whoever's filling in for Ireland. Nano show. Happy hour specials all day like four fifty beers. Five fifty glasses of wine. Six fifty martinis, half price elected apps. All that kind of stuff. So that's Friday at par Louis. This our second annual party. Now Momo you ask a question of Jackie MacMullan, and I think we should look at this. When did free agency become this big a deal. And I think it goes beyond just the players were available this year. It has grown exponentially in the last few years to the point where I come in on a weekend and do a show because it's such a gigantic deal. So yesterday, you and I were talking about what we talk about on the show. Yes. And we were like, you know, the dodgers are awesome. The dodgers just keep winning hall a rookie gets a game winning head off Austin, Cody mouse last night, but Cody Bellinger, really good. Really super good. But, like, where's the drama there? There's no drama with the Dodd wears the talking point. Yeah. There's there's not yesterday. We debated whether or not Austin Barnes should be sent out. I mean it was Greg's hot take the day that was not a hot take that was off the air. And he was also saying you said gimme angle. So I said, okay. You wanna have Austin Barnes in AAA? I don't think that's going to happen. So you can go off something like that. That just says, right? You're the one that is into mature about it. I can realize heated up. Who has been called up is named Will Smith. So they call him the fresh prince of LA. No. Do they call that? That's like the nickname if he when he goes to home runs both of them. Walk walk off. Okay. So we're to the point where we're almost interesting. Yeah. Interesting twenty games over five hundred so good. They're so good. And then you look at NBA free agency, which is interesting every single day of the year, three years. I could we could do a whole segment on yawn, is's free agency in two years. We could do a whole segment on Ben Simmons free agency next year. But here's the thing, it wasn't always like this wasn't always in its it's apart from the fact that it's Katie, I re and Kemba and it's beyond just the players that are involved. It's just grown exponentially, because of an I think we can attribute a lot of it to social media, social media, and LeBron James two thousand ten the decision. The decision. Yeah. Free agency has never been as impactful as it was when LeBron left to go to Miami, because when he said, I'm taking my talents, a south beach. He gave. Dave. He he the value of the Cleveland Cavaliers plummeted. They went, I think their value was cut by two thirds in terms of what their franchise was worth how much revenue they had, like economic impact in the state of Ohio and owners saw that clean when actually closed they just closed. Cleveland owner saw that and said we can never have players have that much power again. So therefore, we had the lockout the next year which completely did not work now. We have even more player empowerment, and it's become the dominant story in the NBA, right. It's player and powders have the years have the power now do you remember exactly where you were when LeBron James announced the decision not quite exactly where it was. But I remember him doing. I remember I sat in Mario studio in watched it. And I was you know, I was rooting for him to stay in. Yeah. In Ireland had predicted or heard. Yeah. People say those three is we're going to team up in Miami. Do you remember where you were sharing? I was at the house, and I know that as a Laker fan, I was coming off my second championship. So I was still in celebrating mode. That's right. And then yeah, I hear about this news. And I was ready to go. I wanted to get at Miami as soon as possible way. Go Kobe and the Lakers. Yeah. All right. Coming up next for you. Damon. Jones is gonna join us Damon is extremely well connected. He, he collected a lot of points offices from LeBron James. Yes, you did. Coach on the Cleveland Cavaliers for the past few years. Well Tyler Lou was there and say, who is well connected to, but you draw your own conclusions, Damon. Jones will join us next. Mason, Ireland show Momo and shea is sitting in for John. ESPN LA.

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"The top can. I get a ball. Nice waited for the nba. Back tonight all night. Also steelers three four. Let's go around the horn. The video out vaccine coming in from the hallway with all those turnovers questionable. Play calling. I have with seven passing yards. Robbers burger and his downfield inaccuracy. Also the defense now being able to devour a third string quarterback ryan finley feelers. Have gone from eleven to eleven three. That's only happened to other times before in. nfl history. What he paid around the horn to you. What is wrong with the pittsburgh steelers. And are you beginning to question whether it's fixable it's a slash ben rothlisberger randy feet her the offensive coordinator that people don't talk about but when you have rothlisberger having the worst opening half that he's head and his entire career and he by solid game would understand that and you got feeder who is not really calling a good game. He's not comfortable in this offense that he took over they had in their last two games. Tony six of twenty six that they've converted on third downs. I mean this is a team that is totally lost. Its offense. they. They haven't been rushing the ball effectively. They did get connor backed with that so making a difference but it's been rothlisberger. He just looks old and tired last night. He wasn't tried to throw the ball away. He was trying to complete the pass but it looked like he was trying to out about. I think is this fixable supposed so but you also have defensive problems when you got three linebackers The lineup all right. Thank you don't think it's fixable even though you said maybe there's a chance jorge sedano same question to you. Is this fixable. It is not fixable. Tony unless they have a time machine that they can put ben rothlisberger in and make him the quarterback. He was several years ago. He's no longer that guy if you look at their offense when they were humming he was drinking and dunking occasionally going down the field but they had a run game to speak of with james conner and look in this particular game. The run game did okay. They got four point six yards per carry from snell. That's not anything to sneeze at okay. That's a pretty good deal for them and defensively taxed right now tony. They've been on the field a lot. Because ben can't move the ball. So for all the discussion about offensive coordinators and coaches. Look if the guy at the position that matters the most can't execute. That's the biggest problem. Jackie macmullan is this fixable. No there's not enough time to fix it and we talk about rothlisberger. i think it is fair to mention. He's coming off elbow surgery. He says he doesn't feel quite right. One four twelve were for passes ten plus yards down the field. Pete one for twelve the defense giving a pass to too many injuries guys like debris bush. They can't rust pasha with good before. But here's the biggest problem with the offense. It's completely off a balanced. Tony if you look at the first five wins of the steelers when we were talking about an undefeated season or maybe a super bowl. They ever two hundred seventeen yards game in the last three losses. They've average fifty one yards a game. It's complete bound so if you want to get them back on the road to recovery whether you like it or not run the ball. More pre present some balance to give some pressure off. Rothlisburger emily kathleen. You just heard all the statistics. Jackie mc mona. But let's just drill down here. They were eleven at some point. Can they get back to being a team. That can win the close games. Even if they aren't pretty. I think that fans tried to. Have i blame it on the offensive line. They tried to blame it on the run game. But it really comes down to benny. He's the one that's making it. So easy for defenses. Linebackers love dropping into coverage. Safeties loved the fact that they don't have to respect his deep pass. And you know what. I'm getting annoyed by benz. Hubris he was talking to reporters this week and he said it was phonier overblown to talk about the issue and he said that his elbow was mostly fine. Well as you wouldn't be playing like this so no i don't think this is fixable. Because he would fix it. It's time to heal and that can't happen till the offseason. Oh mike tomlin says he's gonna talk to juju smith schuster dancing on logos. Is that something george or is that just an easy to hit right now as the rest of the team has real problem. That one is definitely a captain. Obvious moment sure we lost. We're going to blame the young guy. Because i don't wanna put my quarterback on blast even though he's not playing well and look the last guy know he's still good or not is the aging superstar. When he looked in that mirror he still sees the guy that won two super bowls. And that's the case across the board in sports. Jackie mac last word. I understand what you're saying. Juju time if you want to behave that way and do all those antics. That's cool but you gotta back and our on. Tony reality is pointed out. More tiktok than touchdown bad. You should give yourself points for that. What do you want to lose word. You can get in there but you have a better job please well. I think they've had a problem with dropping the football and he's among those guys. I'd be more concerned about that than i would be the logo. We'll move on. Nba preview extravaganza. Let's go all night tonight. Lakers clippers golden state brooklyn. Now come there are some people on this very panel who thought the clippers beat the lakers last year. Anyone willing to call a self out there. Anyone okay. Jackie i appreciate it. You're georgia georgia. I know what you pick you. Pick very loudly lakers heat. We got jackie. You'll take your medicine here but let me ask. You didn't just happen less. It didn't not happen. It went down in flames for the clippers anything. Then you're telling you maybe could be different or the lakers far and away the best team. Well the lakers are the best team hands down. And they have the best one to duo in the league and lebron indeed. Unless korean kevin durant are going to be healthier than i. they're going to be. I still think the lakers are the best team. But does that mean. I don't think the clippers have the chance. That's where i'm going to part company with everybody else. I guess i still think on paper that talent. The clippers have should put them in the conversation. Now is paul george. Look in that mirror that jorge sedano was talking about and say i had the worst time in my career. I completely imploded in the place. I'm going to be better. I've signed an extension. I'm going to be all nba player. I should be i know. Leonard already thinks that about himself. So i like search. Vodkas an ad for the clippers. But i love mark assault with the lakers because when he starts playing woody's denver nuggets. You got someone to body up with. Yokich lakers still the best george. This is one hundred percent your account. I mean you're dealing with every single day on the radio. The clippers where they left off. It's been i guess. Two to three months for them to cleanse themselves. Can they possibly turn around this season or are the lakers. That much better than everybody else. The lakers are still the overwhelming favorite. Toni last year. They had to top five guys. Nobody else could boast that they still have that and now the supporting cast is better. However i do. Think the clippers match up well against them as we saw last year because they got two guys in theory. That can try to slow down. Lebron james no other team that. I like the addition as jackie mentioned. I think he's an upgrade over mantras herald because he can stretch the floor and he's a better defender and deterrent at the rim. But the thing for the clippers. Yes paul george needs to look at himself in that marriage. Jackie said but you know what a championship team needs to sacrifice. So if you're lou. Williams pat beverley all these other guys who were complaining about kawai and paul george and preferential treatment. You need to find other ways to affect the game in order for you and your team to become chiampou. Alright so i've heard from saddam heard from mcmullen. There is a but there though. They're called the lakers the best. But he's still believe in the clippers after everything we've seen what he paid. I turn to you now. Jackie of great. Respect for you as a hall of famer george. Not so much. I thought for both of you to just tell me that. The clippers are the same class with the lakers. The lakers added not only did they. Add a gosol that you were talking about. But to get schroeder to give matthew and do what they did during the offseason. They've not only extended their bench but they've improved the quality around the basket with those guys. I just think when you talk about the clippers. I know they went out. Gotta do coach but really is going to make a difference in this series. I don't think so. The lakers should be far away to the number one choice in the western conference emily catholic. I think that the clippers have the secret weapon. And that is weaponising. The uncertainty about kawhi leonard future. I love the way the i leonard spoke yesterday when he was completely candidates. Like you know what. I probably gonna decline my player option and a year with healthy. And you know the reason. He signed a short term deal with his team as he wanted to. Keep them uncomfortable. He wanted to keep them on their toes. And that's important for tyler. I hope he leans into that as he creates a whole new offense around him. And i hope this team. Bub leans into this us against the world mentality. Because let's face it. All of us have been dragging them through the mud performance. And there's still a damn good dino. One forty nine to seventy two games last year. Lot of clipper love from this panel continues to be. We'll talk about the game tonight. Brooklyn got a glimpse of kevin durant exhibition and he looked good. This team also has checks notes. Kyrie irving burning sage. Nba gm predicting brooklyn sex even the east behind milwaukee. Where are your expectations. Emily catholic the issue with the was never about their talent. It was always about their health. And what we've seen from katie. So far is that. Hey it looks great. They're probably going to be a top five offense of team. The problem is. I don't think they're going to be a good defensive team. Because katie's they're only elite defencemen and that could do them in the playoffs. Jackie macmullan brooklyn's interesting team They are they could. They could vote. Excuse me compete with the one two punch of lebron if they can stay healthy all through the year now kyrie irving as in his career careers averaged about fifty three games a season. He just hasn't been able to play that full. Eighty two if he can. Maybe that works but milwaukee's fantastic. They have the reigning. Mvp they added through holiday. I'm not going to dismiss them completely. But i do think that the the nets are the most intriguing team in the entire nba. It's must see tv every single night for donald tony to me. The milwaukee bucks are going to be the best in the regular season except this is the thing in the playoffs. We know they're not built to win. As as long as yonathan. The coup can't hit a jump. Shot okay with consistency. They're not capable of like over milwaukee. It's the nets had the more top tier talent kevin durant if he's healthy. Jackie mentioned And kyrie if he's healthy. They are the best team because they have. They're the most top heavy team. They've got good players that they can. They can rule out as far as their supporting cast. Is concerned particularly on offense. They're going to be really strong. There are some questions on defense. But even though i think the eastern conference you look at those top sixteen you probably put them in a bowl. I can pick them all out in different orders. And i would agree that the regular season standings may look like that but at the end of the day brooklyn is the best team on how this is not playing one game together. You had them already. Been the best team in the eastern conference. Just think back wins in. This played out for the clippers last year when you had to do who had played together. What are you page. you're laughing. Go ahead laughing at george. He used the word if about eight. Who'd he fired today. Frogs frogs had wings butts all the time so why the world guy would play in five hundred sixty days. The other guy played fifty games last year. They're developing chemistry. They're developing whether or not they're going to be good. And you're just putting down milwaukee bucks who added who has a situation where holiday inn we talked about. A god's going to average twenty two points you want to put a duo outdoors wants to respond to you. Woody joe holidays girl player. These a one time all star. We make fun of georgia. They six time all star. Could've done drew holidays. Not a good enough edition will walk you over the hump to hit jar. Some some cleanup here on i'll panel twenty two. We had a schroder playing christmas. Time is here and the piano instead of a trudeau and then now waiting on this emily. Kaplan's gonna lose the point. Use the word that ben also use defenseman defensive real quick. Mvp picks and rookie of the year picks. Let me hear george. Jackie you'll melt. 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At one time and see we will however put that savings towards a new interview. It still got it. Gyco fifteen minutes could save you fifteen percent or more welcome back to around the war brought to you by coming to you from the seaport district at peers seventeenth quarterback dwayne haskins quote. It was irresponsible name mature and accept responsibility for my actions. Creating a distraction during our playoff. Push and quote photos of him at a strip club without a mask made their way and instagram post by a woman. He was with that the club. The football team says they're handling it internally. This is not a good look of course for haskins. Is it something more george. Well it's completely irresponsible for obvious reasons. Tony but what i would say. It's also responsible in regards to his team and his teammates. Alex smith is still dinged up their backup quarterback taylor hennequin. You played in the xfl and you know this was something that urban meyer alluded to. When he came out into the draft that the maturity could be an issue. Would he pays yeah. I'm selling him and his irresponsibility there but the good thing for the washington football team is alex smith is going to be able to come back and haskins can just sit at the end of the bench or be enacted and we catholic. D- i'm selling. It's going to be on the roster next season. The coaching staff already gave them want to trade him. He's only starting because the other guys are head of him. This is a second violation. This one particularly egregious because they clinton division this week and it's a potential revenge game for as coach. How does he get back. And jackie with emily here that this is wrong with washington. I think there's a good chance for it. And in that that piece of film show with the big c on his chest. I'll tell you one of the first things. I'd be doing this week. I'd take that c right office chess. He's not the fitting of the captain of my football team. Fire sale to tony dungy on dan patrick this morning. Then i'm worried about the chiefs. I really am. I think therefore. I think they're playing with fire. I think they feel like they can do whatever they want to do. Afc playoff picture changed with pittsburgh freefalling but hey buffalo is surging this week and everybody else wins every week but never clinton's a playoff spot. What are the chance playing with. Fire like dungy says no. That's kind a fire that they're with. I'm all about it because you remember the postseason last year they got behind houston twenty one to nothing in the first quarter they got behind. Tennessee got behind in the super bowl. Their custom to coming back in games and play close games. It doesn't matter. They still look like they're on fire to mentally kaplan when it comes to the chiefs honestly i feel like we're just running out of things to talk about with twenty two in one over the last thirteen months eight no on the roses year. Four and five and red zone touchdown this year. Yeah they play with fire but it also takes fire to play against them and beat score more than thirty points which most teams can't do think mo hardest thing in all of sports to do is to repeat as champion and why is that because you get complacent you do get bored occasionally because of your own greatness to me. I've never considered that something that it's not dick. You can't overcome unlike flipping a switch for other athletic endeavors to meet. This is different these guys. I'm not worried about them. Adult i recognized. Everyone is but that you're going to bet on the home. Even though i said buffalo is surging recently but it six straight one possession winds. George what do you see with that tony. I can't believe we're docking points here. Because they're winning games. Twenty two of twenty three and if anything winning in those close games shows hey you know what if we get those situations we've been there before we know how to react in those by. Nobody's biden on that we'll move. I stopped me when this next one sounds believable sides of tension between hearted and rockets teammate. Stop audience letting sources tell the toronto harden and rookie to sean had heat exchange during monday's practice culminating at heart and throwing the ball and tastes direction. While that's allegedly happening the heat allegedly pulling out of the heart and talks. Jackie with the by sell. I never thought he was a great fit with harden. Anyway they check your body fat like every four days. How do you think that's gonna go with james harden so i never thought that was a great view. No honestly that's just the truth of it hardens unhappy. If i'm the rockets. Doing just what. I'm doing i'm going to hang onto him until i think it's the right time to trade him and i'm going to get what i need to. I'm buying that. This is the topic. We're going to be talking about on this show for the next. Twenty weeks hardens going to continue to be petulant. They're going to continue to shop him in the price prices. Too high twenty. We'll talk about it next time around the horn. Check our body fat. I think the rookie tate should stay out of it with hard. He's the guy that could be traded in a day or two but they're not going anywhere with houston. Nobody's gonna make the kind of deal they what he's going to be there till the trading deadline he just got to put up donna. I'm selling all of tony. I'm selling that. The heat have completely lost interest. they disengaged But i could see them reengaging for the right price. Oh jackie it's every three days. Every three days they test the baden fact in my see george. That's what you are allowed to do. Their games could you you. You fit the bill heavily. Jackie i believe this is the last show for you were year. We'll see you in twenty twenty one what he paid. Are you making a roth to get into the tornado champion. Is there still shot. We'll see page. Donald showdown decks presented by game. Time is guinness. Tom please drink responsibly. Of happy. this fake punt. The lions ran sunday. It failed and interim head coach. Darryl bevelled said it was an unauthorized call. Special teams coordinator read. Kuhn's went rogue and he fired him for bebel said he did it to send a message to team. What's the message. Woody messages specialty. Coaching you're already in trouble there that you do not run a fake punt from your own into the field without telling thinner head coach. Who wants to keep his job. Tony i'm going to go rogue. Because i know the tournament of champions is tomorrow on my sources. Tell me that. Woody could potentially get in and knock out my rival. Frank is solo from the tournament of champions. 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The Commissioner Is Making Funny Faces

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The Commissioner Is Making Funny Faces

"The following podcast contains explicit language. Hi I'm Steffan. Fat says the the author of Word Freak and a few seconds of panic and this is slates sports. podcast hang up and listen for the week of January six twenty twenty on this week's show slates Seth Stevenson joins us to talk about the end of the New England Patriots Dynasty or whatever the team's loss over the weekend signified and a new profile that he's written of of retired tight end rob Gronkowski. Maybe would have changed the outcome of the game against the Tennessee on Saturday Hall of Fame Basketball Writer. Jackie macmullan will be here. Assess the life of one of the most influential executives in modern sports NBA. Commissioner David Stern. Who died last week? Finally Director Theo Anthony will join join us to discuss his new. ESPN thirty for thirty documentary. Subject to review a meditation on the mechanics and metaphysics of instant replay Josh Levinas slates national editor and the author of the Queen. The Forgotten Life Behind an American myth. He joins me again from New Orleans. Where the saints lost in overtime overtime to the Minnesota Vikings on Sunday? Twenty six to twenty Josh. You're at the game. Appreciate the reminder. In case you've forgotten deadly isn't overtime I remember. Oh now that was bad. Did you throw a metaphorical red flag. After the no call against Kyle Rudolph for pushing off during his game winning touchdown catch I did not. I wasn't particularly particularly upset about that. We can get into it when we talked to seth. I just wanted to make sure you're okay though I'll make it through. We'll make it through together. I'll help you on Saturday night in foggy. Foxborough Massachusetts six times super bowl champion Tom. Brady's team scored zero points in the second. Half of a game against a team team quarterbacked by a guy who was dumped by the Miami Dolphins. That's not entirely fair because Ryan Tannehill has been pretty great since taking over the Tennessee. Titans early this season but Brady was pretty bad in the last few weeks and again in his first appearance in the wildcard round in a decade the Patriots managed midst just one offensive touchdown and the night ended with the guy who last year applied to trademark. Tom Terrific throwing pick six did Brady's career career in New England and after twenty seasons with that stinker after the twenty thirteen loss Brady said who knows what the future holds which is certainly true. His coach Bill Belichick was asked various permutations of the same question. Let's listen to one exchange with a reporter. Those are collective decisions are are not made by one person collectively and there's a lot of time and effort and communication goes into and now is not just one one. If Tom says he wants to come back and play that I just gave you. Just keep going if you want to our colleagues F. Stevenson joins US now. Hey Seth done. Good let's start by breaking down. Ballot reply their mock his trademark press conference wants mumbles. All you want but that was a totally reasonable answer. Brady will be an unrestricted free agent for the first time in his career. He's turning forty. Three Bella check isn't afraid to cut ties with anyone. The one you are a member of Patriots nation are you done with TB. Twelve Seth. I'm not done with TB twelve. He's obviously lost to eight steps from from his peak performance level. But I'm not done with. I think you know there's like if he leaves. Aren't there all the salary cap ramifications and bringing in a free agent would crush them and they need to you. Know bolster their offense of weaponry and and they're only gonNA be able to do that if they can afford to do. There's all these other questions around keeping him that have nothing to do with his tallow although I think he is he can still pilot a team. I don't think I need to just cut ties with. I'm not done with him. Need to improve the team around him. The thing that was so confusing about the pats. This year they get up to this really hot start aid. No and then eleven and one but the offense is just totally futile from you know after the first first quarter or so of the season. They had really been relying on Josh Gordon and then Antonio Brown who are both extremely unreliable for for different reasons. Those guys leave the team and it just seems like Josh mcdaniels offensive guru and Bella check himself. They're just not able to put together any sort of scheme or find any sort of offensive playmakers which is just so unlike the Patriots. They've always been able to cobble together than we saw in the playoffs. It just continued. What is your explanation? Seth for why they were never able to put it together offensively for months upon months. Well there's a couple of things going on. I mean they have previously fielded teams where the skill positions were really offices skills positions. Were really underwhelming. If the past the terrible receiver core but Tom Brady would kind of just make it work and they'd you screens. And they do all sorts of ways of working around their bad receivers. That didn't happen this year and they traded for some new new to try to get someone better on the field. They drafted a rookie wide receiver. This year who just didn't really do much nickel Harry so. I'm not exactly sure I think. At their sort of shared responsibility between there wasn't enough talent level. They just weren't really getting open. Jillian Adeline wasn't Julian Edelman who was getting doubled in the combination of those two things made him not super effective. And I do think Tom Brady is not Tom Brady anymore. You know in in that playoff game. The passes were not quite as laser accurate as they had been in. The past often behind. Receivers are low. I think his decision making is just a split second slower than it used to be. He's just he's not quite the same quarterback he was and so he can no longer make the people around him. mm-hmm better in the way that it used to be able to do and not having the guy that you profiled for Slate Rob Gronkowski on the team. Certainly didn't help they. Were anemic at tight end and this year Ben Watson who played a lot was what thirty nine years old. Brady's forty two years old. The Patriots have the oldest roster in the NFL the oldest defensive unit in the NFL l.. There are larger problems here and it doesn't really make sense to me. How signing a forty three year old quarterback for even if it's just one one or two more seasons is going to help bill belichick assuming he sticks around for more than one or two seasons get the Patriots back up to the level that everyone has come expect over the last twenty years? Well this is the question if Bill Belgium is sticking around Tom. Brady's leaving right. Are they really going to be able to bring in a quarterback that within the however many year window Bill Belgium has left is going to bring them back to the heights that they wanted to be. I mean I feel like one more you Tom Brady might if Belgium's only around for a couple more years maybe it is just brady and and you know what you've got and he's you know he's not a terrible quarterback this plan although maybe next year he'll be even worse I I don't know if they can bring someone in and just keep rolling like people are imagining. Life was hard for forty plus year old quarterbacks. This weekend I watched drew brees the saints lose in the Dome on Sunday Josh mccown on the backup for the Eagles he's forty he had to come in. And after Carson Wentz his head injury the eagles lost breeze turning forty one in about a week back and you know he does look better I think than than Brady does and the saints have a better offensive scheme around him but you saw year with the saints that their offense is now adapted mostly successfully not successfully in the playoff game against the vikings to a quarterback with a weaker arm to a quarterback who is diminished. And this is like obviously what's going to happen when a guy is in his goddamn forties and still playing in the NFL. It's miraculous that these guys are still able to playing compete at such a high level. And it's not like they're other you know there's like thirty two teams with amazing quarterback situations out there teams. That wouldn't be very very happy to have a drew brees. Tom Brady. You know there are teams that are going to be happy and have Lamar Jackson. Her Patrick Mahomes but for as long as these guys can continue to play at a reasonably high high level the. NFL is the you know as the Cliche goes the ultimate team game. If you put a really good lying around them really good SCO position players. I think you know a guy like it drew. BREES can still win and succeed at a really high level. I mean the saints were scoring forty points per game flash four games of the regular season and they just stunk on Sunday. That's not forget Peyton. Manning won a super bowl when he was diminished as any forty year. Old quarterback has ever been pretty much. Maybe except George Strait A.. Bad Right and the Broncos won a super bowl with him John Clayton the former. ESPN football reporter did a piece for the Washington Post after the Patriots game. That listed like six places that made some sense for Brady as destinations in the off season led by Indianapolis where the colts have a really good team But a mediocre quarterback who was one of the quarterbacks that was perceived to be a potential successor to Tom Brady. The chargers were listed there. Because they're gonNA need to sell tickets in La when they move into the new stadium that they're going to share with the rams. The broncos were on the list because they have a young quarterback that could be used tutelage. So there's always going to be a market it for this weather. That's historical bias that you're willing to give Brady or breeze place to play at less than full capacity in their advanced years ears or that. They're just good enough to be caretakers. That's open to debate whether you might be smarter sticking with the younger players but they're going to play and Brady was clear that had he is not retiring. I thought in his press conference after the Patriots Game. Yeah he was. He was a little more sanguine about his. I thought there was a chance he would just say okay. That's it because I played pretty but I mean he. He wasn't the complete problem in that playoff game against the titans but he he did not play great and I thought maybe he would decide that that was it but he just he just. I can't go out with that. Pick six being the last pass on his resume. I guess now maybe that was the deciding factor. I thought he would come out and leave the door much wider open. He did he sees really seemed to think he's coming back. Let's talk a little bit about the playoffs. More broadly and this weekend there were all really close games all competitive some more. You know beautiful to watch than others we could say but you know being in the Superdome for that game just was such a stark example for me of how amazing alternately amazing awful the NFL product is just the communist experience of being at the game for these. He's moments that were transcendent when you're in the crowd of tastes. I'm hell breaking free for a long run and Josh. You're in the crowd on in the press box right. I was in the crap on the press box. I was non objectively cheering. So and then you have you know von Bell running back a fumble for a touchdown to give the saints the lead then you have the long replay review which confirms that. Actually he did not run the whole back for a touchdown and Dalvin Cook was down by contact. But you have. He's just like at moments of absolute insanity and Brilliance and then these just kind of long. It feels interminable when you're when you're they're not stimulated by what's going on in your house everybody's just sitting there in total silence waiting to be angry at the wraps. It's just very strange experience. I don't know if you guys can relate to like going to a game after spending you know it had been years since I had been at the Dome for it for Saints Game. Just how different and bizarre czar. It is to be in a stadium after you've become condition to watching these games at home. I'm so accustomed to watching them. You know delayed with a Dvr they are and and fast forward through every official replay through every you know timeout after a kick off you know we get a kick off play where that's a touchback and then there's another top it's for commercials. I've just so used to fast forward through those it. Yes the one time went to a game in person. Last year I remembered. Oh my gosh there so much down time it's it's really like people have said it's the ultimate TV sport for lots of reasons but for me it's the ultimate TV sport because of that DVR function. All Right Let's Talk About Rob Gronkowski Saf you profiled him for sleet and you went into that piece. Wanting to understand what his post retirement life was this was a guy who was not only one of the greatest tight ends in. Nfl hit he also had this persona of being kind of the ultimate football football player. Just being fun loving seemed to like ring everything that one could ring out of the. NFL retires at twenty nine with fifty three million dollars and create salary. And yet there's something like very sad about hammer or maybe it seemed like he was sad. So what did you find when when you when checked in on him so I had seen him in this press conference he gave after he retired where he announced he was going to do this new line of CD infused products in that press conference. He Uh when he talked about retiring you almost started crying talking to reporters about how football like suck to the joy out of his life and how much pain need endurance football player. And so oh I you know. He looked like a beaten man in that press conference and I didn't know what to expect when I saw him in person by the time I saw him which was about three months later he did not look beaten down he looked much at here he seemed enthused about this. CBD Entrepreneurial Foray of his he was sort of closer to his Ronchi self. The GRONKOWSKI south that I'd remembered from his football playing days. He was pretty upbeat except when he talked about what he suffered while playing football the physical pain that he endured. And that's when he would again go into this mode where I feel like looking back. You almost couldn't quite believe how much paid you went through to play the sport. I think that's a truth for every NFL player and what you experienced Sath was different because it was because the Gronk that we all remember as the guy spiking the football furiously Rachele in the end zone and the guy reading from a Gronk to remember on one of the late night. TV shows the reality for all of them is that football's miserable bowl. They are injured all of the time and there is this realization that I think every football player experiences in retirement. It's the body starts. It's the he'll they lose the twenty to thirty pounds of muscle weight that they've added to play their positions in their careers. They look like more normal sized sized human beings and they wanna forget what they went through and I loved the way you described in the peace. Sath how Gronk didn't strike me as in any anyway stupid. And the way he became so animated and fought full when talking about the thing that he loved about playing football the beauty Of the game. Yeah he really did love. The He talked about how it activated his central nervous or even like a practice day how just lit up he would be by playing football and he did really love it but there was an and and obviously you know made him fantastic we rich and famous as well but there there is a trade off. I I think he's become even more aware of now that the pain is still there. I I asked him. You know he's like you only retired twenty nine hundred thirty now and he's got a long life ahead the van and with a lot of decades to pursue other projects. And I ask them. Do you have any longer term goals beyond this company. I thought he might talk about coaching. Kids Ed's philanthropy or something and all you want to talk about. Was His quest to heal up his body he talked about you know fifteen years playing football and the damage that had done to just wanted to get his body auty right again and he's hoping to get there that really seems to be nothing that's weighing on his mind. Well whether you experience it yourself through a loved one you've realized that a certain point in life that the only thing that really matters is being healthy and feeling good and feeling like yourself and I think there are a lot the people they would trade places with with Gronk that would want to have tens of millions of dollars in that can buy you a lot of happiness and good and good doctors tears but if you feel like crap and if later in life you develop neurological problems or or adjuster in a lot of chronic pain from joint injuries. You know no matter how much money you have does not necessarily GonNa make you feel good if you're in pain under if you're you know have dementia. I think right now is very optimistic that he's going to he's going to beat this whether using cbd or something else that he's going to beat his pain and figure it out do yoga and that he's GonNa heal his brain by doing brain exercise doing the puzzles and stuff. But I think that the question is he like you said it's not he's not a dumb guy and you could envision a different wife Gronk. Where is dad very successful fitness equipment company and you could picture Gronk just being an executive at his dad's fitness company and maybe being groomed to take over the company and having a nice wife or he's actually you know does pretty well moneywise and does not have the threat of dementia does not have trouble sleeping at night because his legs hurt so much much? I I don't know that Gronk. If you could do it all over again with would take that route instead but you know I I almost navy would choose that route for him instead. Seth Stevenson is a senior writer for slate. Go Rita's profile. Is it good to be gronk. which is up on slate? Now Seth thanks a lot for the show. Thanks thanks guys. This week's episode of Hang Up and listen is sponsored by COM. 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Hang up like every other reporter who covered the NBA. I was criticized the mocked and cursed out by David Stern. I was also often in the same conversation. Treated treated warmly joked with and even praised as every remembrance in the wake of Stern's death last week at age. Seventy seven has noted. Stern was the smartest guy in the room. Room forceful demanding sharpen fast and usually right. He was a master manipulator of reporters agents players and his bosses the team owners he helped save the NBA NBA in crisis. In the one thousand nine hundred seventies he helped turn basketball into the second most popular sport on the planet. He helped make players incredibly rich. He defended Magic Johnson after his HIV diagnosis he started the WNBA. But legacies are complicated things and stearns thirty year. Tenure as commissioner wasn't perfect he he tolerated racist Donald Sterling another flawed owners. He botched the investigation into crooked ref. Tim donaghy he screwed over fans in Seattle and not everyone unappreciated his mean streak. Jackie macmullan new stern as well as any reporter she covered the NBA for the Boston Globe. Sports illustrated and ESPN for more than a quarter order century. In two thousand ten she received the Kurt Gowdy Media Award from the Basketball Hall of fame and last year she received the pen. ESPN lifetime achievement. I'm an award for literary sports writing. She still appears on. ESPN around the horn. Jackie thank you so much for joining us. Well it's my pleasure every NBA Gabi reporter has a story about an encounter with David Stern. And they've all been sharing them in the aftermath of his death tells your personal favorite. Well my favorite it was. I think it was ninety. Five the first lockout and things hadn't been resolved yet and we were at a courthouse New York and I was not a new journalist but I was new to television television and I was with the Boston Globe but I was doing things I was doing some TV for ESPN on the side and they had me there to do a live standup up following the proceedings in New York and I had seen stern you know as a as the proceedings ended and of course he didn't he wasn't talking to anybody wasn't doing the interviews so you know a cursory wave off he went so I'm lining up in this building and I'm you know I've never done a life in my life ever of course. ESPN didn't know that or they never want to ask me to do. And I'm standing there. I'm getting ready to go. I'm looking at the camera on just just as we're about to start the shadowy figure that goes behind the camera and as I start my life stand up the commissioner of the NBA is standing behind the camera with his thumbs in his ears waving his fingertips like reindeer antlers. I making making the most outrageous faces. I've ever seen like a ten year old at recess. He's trying to get me to laugh during my stand up and it was just I I mean I I couldn't believe it and and I didn't laugh so I guess that was my test. That was the test I passed that day but there was always a test. There was always a test with David but that was one of my favorites. Our friend Ethan. Strauss wrote a piece for the athletic about our relationship. He struck up with stern over the last few years after stern retired these phone calls they'd have and the kind of constant instant needling and challenges from stern about everything from macro issues about the NBA. Ethan using the word solid cystic. In a way that David let's turn felt was inaccurate. And you know Ethan put the most positive. I think that or had a really positive impression of David Stern. that he loved debate that he loved kind of intellectual back and forth. But in some of these other remembrances. Jackie there are folks like David Aldridge writes about it just like how stern could be so mean to people in a way. That seemed unnecessary at times whether it was browbeating employees in meetings or something else so how do you kind of sum up. What he was doing and what his personal was well? He had a volcanic temper. And I was certainly on the end of on the wrong end of that from time to time to and you know there were two things that David didn't didn't wouldn't stand for and it was to be uninformed or worse to be ill informed. Those are two things he wouldn't stand for and that didn't matter if you were an owner a player a reporter a secretary. The kid bringing the wrong coffee. Those are the kinds of things he just couldn't tolerate. And you know you guys have been around a lot of perfectionist professional athletes and so of I. I've seen this in other people I've seen Michael Jordan district and Michael Jordan. You know I've seen this and I'm not gonNA say his name but announcer that I admire greatly. Who's been in sports for a long time? WHO's one of the best? But everybody hates working with him because he he wants everything everything exactly right and that can be wearing on people because we're human. We make mistakes. And that was the one part of David that was not always palatable audible because he just didn't ever consider that not. Everybody was the smartest him or as careful as him or as accurate as he was And that there's a lawyer in him but at the end of every conversation David always have this this ability to forget where you might not forget and attempt to patch patch things up as if this was normal course of business. You know he'd yell at you and then he'd ask you how your family was right. Yeah he did that a lot but he also I remember once I got a call to come see him in New York and I thought this is great all these years of my relationship with David Stern. I'm getting something here you know and I I went all the way down to New York. ORC I was coming from Boston. Ns Sense brought me down there to yell at me. He said you used to be nice. Now you're like everybody else and I said well David. My job isn't always be tonight not to be nice and by the way you're not very nice you know so I was. I knew him long enough that I could have those kind of conversations with him and and I just I would tell you this. I remember when I was interviewing him for the win. The game was ours. which was the book I wrote about Larry in in Irvine and of course David was such such a central figure to me? The three of them were intertwined. And Larry Off and tells me people say urban and I saved the game. It was David Stern. It wasn't me it wasn't Larry. I mean it was an nerve and so I was interviewing him for the for the book and I had all my notes. I knew quite a bit About his role in every in the you know the growth of the NBA forty four million dollars in revenue nineteen eighty-four that the grew to over three billion by two thousand seven. I knew all those statistics. I had all my stuff but I was asking him questions uh-huh because I didn't want to assume anything and we're part way through the process he said to me well. Why are you asking me these stupid questions? You know all the answers I said yes but I need you to say aide them so I can use them at my book and he just thought that was the dumbest thing he'd ever heard. You already know the answers to this. Why are you ask me? You live this as I. I mean he was just so irritated with May and so there were times like that. You just throw up your hands so David Stern comes into the league in our country has a relationship with the league going back to the nineteen sixty s when he was a lawyer and represented the league. You know the biggest case that a lot of people are citing is the Oscar Robertson case which led to the NBA Aba merger. Eventually can you take us back to the very beginning. What stern in the NBA? Well see the one that I think people should focus on a little more. Maybe it's just because it's not as well known is he also represented the NBA in the Connie Hawkins case and for those Young people who don't know the whole story of Connie Hawkins. He was a New York City High School Basketball Legend and incredible player. Who was cavorting with known point Shavers and ended up getting being involved in a scandal that he said he had that he was innocent that he had never shaved any points? And you know you could argue you go back and look at. He was on a high school team that dominated he never got to play. Second of college and Connie's point always was. How can I fix games? We won every game. It was a high school game. People weren't bidding on Highschool Games. Anyway I digress a little bit but it's a frustrating story for me so anyway. Connie Connie Hawkins is banned from the he's blackballed from the NBA. And his lawyers are trying to get him reinstated and the firm that is representing the NBA gives it to a young lawyer named David. Stern earned a look over and he looks over all the documents and the testimony in court and the fact that they young to this this young African American kid away from school and just literally sequester questioned him for three days in like almost like a safe house without any representation You know they would say things like you did this didn't you. You know. Just it was just. He was is clearly railroaded. And so this young attorney went to the NBA and said you've done a terrible injustice to this man and you need to reinstate him immediately. There is no evidence evidence to suggest that he ever conspired to fix any game and and so because of David Stern Connie Hawkins was reinstated into the NBA. I don't know a lot of people know that that and that's that's a theme that runs through. I think David's career to he is he was clearly and very openly a progressive liberal who donated to progress liberal real causes. As did his wife and David David did was take these players. Who in the in the seventies especially by the late nineteen seventies? Were we're perceived as drug using the league had a problem with cocaine. The league was perceived as predominantly black. which was bad for business? David made the NBA Palatable to white consumers which led to its rapid growth. After Larry Larry and magic and Michael became worldwide superstars in the nineteen eighties. Right and you know how he did that was he. He talked to the players. I mean I talked a uh-huh Kareem abdul-jabbar was talking about going to the All Star game and having to sit in this big banquet room with these bright lights and Kareem had migraines and so when Stern said to Kareem what can we do differently. 'cause get me out of that room getting rid of the lights you know. So then they start having private receptions with family kids and you know the slam dunk contest. Rick welts with someone. I believe who came up with that one of David's right hand guys and so David was smart enough to go directly to the source and talk to the players which. I don't know if many people had to do that much before. That doesn't mean that he did everything they suggested or everything they asked but he got a better sense from them. What was going to work for them? And what was going to make them happier. And and then of course the the outreach they did with consumers and and the audience that was not coming to the games the attendance is very low. I mean he tells a story about out when he's the vice counsel for the as not the commissioner yet and there's a there's an all star game and Brendan Byrne Arena in New Jersey and they can't give tickets away. He's he's calling. He's literally camping people by phone. And saying hey come to the game and and you know they'll say it's free. I'm giving you free tickets. And they'll say all right I'll take four and he's like take forty. You know like those are the kind of things David was doing long before he was commissioner so he was literally in this all from the ground up. It sounds incredible when you talk about this stuff because you know the innovations or the decisions that stern made that were reading about the last week to sound so obvious. It's like the market. The player ever thought of that before. So how much credit should we give stern for making the NBA versus coming in At a time when magic and Larry were already there when you know he starts as Commissioner of the year that Michael Jordan is drafted. You know he comes into a scenario where there are these stars and if the big ideas just let's market the stars It just does. It doesn't seem like it took a genius. Somebody of Stern's intelligence intelligence to figure that out so that's a fair point But you know magic and Larry. We're in the league a couple of two three years before stern took over and it was only just beginning to swell the interest in. I think it helped a lot. That two of your most celebrated markets the Lakers and the Celtics they were in there were in their prime again. And we're playing each other and of course it was such a one sided rivalry back in the days of West and Baylor through no fault of Western Baylor I might. They were playing a pretty formidable opponent. It was usually cousy Russell and Jones to be named later you know there were some Great Hall of famers on those of Celtics teams but that was the perfect perfect vehicle east versus West lunch pail versus showtime. You know like it or not and the guys didn't but African American versus a you know white midwestern play. It was just it was it was a made for TV. Movie and Stern had the wherewithal to know what to do with it from there But he also had smart marketing people that found out ways to appeal to advertisers to. And that was something that just hasn't been explored before starting took over as commissioner. Now I'm sure he was thinking about it as he was waiting for his ascension to that position. There's no doubt about that. The one thing stirring definitely deserves credit for is taking the NBA and making it a global property. He recognized that and you. You mentioned something in your last answer. Jackie which was that. He hired good people. And that's a talent to you know. He surrounded now the himself with people like Rick welts. You mentioned who also by the way was a closeted gay man who lost his partner. David quietly without wells' else's knowledge made like a ten thousand dollar donation to the cause that welts had specified in the death announcement so we hired all these good people but the the the having the vision to go abroad and see that the Olympics which the NBA never wanted to participate in by the way until they lost in one thousand nine hundred. Eighty eight and stern in and others recognize that. Hey this might be a good platform. But I don't think anybody anticipated that going to the Olympics with Barclay and magic and bird and the rest of the Dream Team would would would make the NBA this global property. Or maybe David. Wow it was such A. I mean it was called a Dream Team for a reason. And you have to give Dave Gavin. A ton of credit. Had It for the Dream Team because he was the one that got on the line with these these superstars and convince them to play. I mean Larry didn't WanNa play and I remember talking to galeria about it. He was injured. He knew he was. He was at the end of his career he could barely barely walk. Nevermind play basketball. And he just didn't think he should take spot away from a healthy player in his prime would. Have you know probably performed better. But then it became fervent. Saying if you flyer doesn't play I'm not playing. And of course course Jordan was the one they had to get once they got Larry Magic and Barclay than Jordan was like okay yeah. I'm not gonNA miss this so stern and gathered together. I think you've given a lot of credit and also Russ Granik and those guys they they were smart enough to understand like we can do a once in a lifetime lineup here and you know it was. I mean the stories. The legendary from Barcelona teams weren't trying to beat them. They're just trying to get their autograph. I mean it really was like that and what David was smart enough to do is empower people after the Olympics to set up offices overseas and I did stories on this for the Wall Street Journal. This was like a focus in that era in the late nineties early two thousands to set up offices overseas overseas expand giveaway if necessary the TV rights in foreign countries and turn this into the global brand that it became right and people don't realize that there are off. They they have offices all over the world. I don't know that the Casual Fan knows that but they do have the one thing that I always wondered about. And I don't know enough about it to to to be very versed in. It is what happened with China with with Stern. You know because he did make overtures with China early on and my guess is because some of the things we talked about that he had certain beliefs and a certain streak of stubbornness where he would only been so far That took a little while for for China to be to come on board with the NBA. I've always I you know if I could go back and ask David Well. I love to ask him a bunch of things now that he's gone right. It's not always the way but I wish I had spent more time asking about China. Well Henrietta that and a couple of pieces one in True Hoop and wanted. ESPN a few years back rights. It's that first of all. Stern was kind of told before a meeting with with various Chinese dignitaries. Like you need to deal with the business cards in this particular way. Hey you need to use two hands and instead he comes in and just like dumps all the business cards on a table is like all right. Let's do this thing. And then there was another a moment that that Henry Abbott described where Stern said and some press conference like we're GonNa do the NBN China. We're going to have a leak here and this was news is to the Chinese basketball officials like they'd stern didn't say anything about partnering with the Chinese Basketball Association. And so who knows if any of these individual doc moments really meant the NBA wasn't going to launch a League in China under David Stern details. But do you really believe that dumping business cards on a deal breaker. For two countries of that magnitude that had so many millions and billions of dollars to share. Right it seems to me it speaks to the larger issue. Have have you know on my terms or no terms. Exactly I think they indicate stearns attitude he was somebody who always felt like. I'm the one running this process I'm not going to modify who I am based on who I'm talking to. And you know he had a lot of success that way and maybe in some cases is that Adam silver approach being more conciliatory more polite. You can get more things done that way right and definitely you look at the lockouts. The created tremendous resentment with player agents and players themselves stern certainly ran afoul of culture and prevailing trends in his his disciplinary ways after the mouse in the palace and the dress code and the sort of the way that he tried to to legislate behavior in the NBA. And I've wondered often weather stearns force personality and the kind of remembrances we've seen in the wake of his death didn't cover for some of these failures or do you think Jackie that failures were just part of this job and part of this thirty year. Timeline that David had running the NBA. I think when you take big swings which David always did. He wasn't going for singles he took big swings when you take big swings. There's there's always going to be some big misses. I the dress code was the one that confounded me. And he's tried a bunch of conversations with him about that and he just never convinced me The mouse at the palaces interesting one it was a critical critical time. I think it was so bad. And the the public reaction action was so hor horrific right and And I think he just Y- I remember Larry Bird Saint me at the time you know bird was GM. He's running that team. And he said he's destroyed our franchise for for the next several years and stern knew that but he didn't care and what he he would argue. Later later to people was that while he handed down the heavy stiff suspension to run our test that while he was doing that he was also simultaneously the meeting with our tests and his family and trying to get him mental health counseling because he thought he needed it. So those stern you know the public response and the private interest. I was always a little different. I think mouse at the palace. I think I understand why he did what he did. Because it just there had to be now what I don't understand. Is You know the individual arguments with the spurs over what we now know is in everyday term load management when pop made that decision not to start his guys in that game and that was sort of an to me. Glimmer of a look into Stern's personality. Who thought you didn't tell me this you showed me up? I can't have. That was an eagle moment. I think the grand unified theory all this stuff dress code mouse at the palace. The load management is that stern wanted to show fans and marketers. I that the players were under control. That the League was safe that there was someone in charge there is an adult in the room. Liam and when you're talking about something like the dress code that's GonNa come off as extremely paternalistic and I think it shows that the imagined ideal. NBA Fan is like a middle alleged. White Guy I think. That's that's changed over. You know the the decades and I think you know stern wasn't necessarily necessarily a force for bad in that regard. But I think you know it's it's telling that you know he implements something like the dress code and meets out this this huge suspensions for for the fight with with the Pacers but you know there's a DOJ settlement with with Donald Sterling over the fact that he said that black tenant smell and attract vermin sterling. Find two point seven million dollars by the government and he never gets a EH suspension or a fine or anything under under David Stern. You know so I think that shows you know who You know who who stern needed to to show was Under his control and WHO You know under under his watch was allowed to do or say. What do you play? Well he used to always say I work for the owners. Sometimes it didn't feel like it right but in that essence in that in that case with sterling and I think that is a blemish and There's no way to spin that Donald Sterling. Everybody knew and I give I. I've always said that Adam silver it took a lot of courage urge to do it. Adam silver did and it should have been done before. There's no doubt let's end by giving stern credit for something that I think he deserves. You know unambiguously unambiguously the the WNBA would not exist without him. Can you just talk a little bit about that. Jackie sure sure and he I always tell people it was never matter of if they they were GONNA do a women's league it was only when he had been talking about it for a decade. Before did it. He was just trying to figure out how he could best do. Best make it succeed. He it was a great champion of women. Although you say that and you think back to Dave Donald Sterling that seems a little contradictory but Donald Sterling assign. I can can tell you from my own personal experience. He was a great champion. I was often the only woman in the arena covering the Games back in the early eighties. Like one of the few others of US John Howard and a few under sprinkled Chili Shelley Smith anyway he with the WNBA. He just he wanted to do it right so he spent some time looking into it. I think if they were smart to capitalize on the success that the women had in Atlanta. That's the time was right. There was interest from advertisers and again both all stern and Rick Wells. Who was heavily involved in that? Were smart enough to understand. That was important and then once the WNBA was launched and You know the first year was so exciting. They sold out Madison Square Garden. Stern was in the stands with Al Ackerman and others in Carol blaze watching this all unfold then it became a crusade crusade for him and he knew what he was dealing with. He was very smart with the media. As you referenced in the in the open and he knew that this was not something that the mainstream media was gonNA cover. He knew that yeah and he wasn't going to rest until they did and he wasn't. It was never going to be people would come to him and say well. The numbers aren't good attendances. Just a little spotty body. I don't know and he's like not on my watch. This will not fail. I will not let this fail. It was that important to he just really felt so the women had a right to have a league like this and remember. I talked to him in two thousand twelve right after the Olympics in London because that was the Olympics of. US Women for sure in all sports not just basketball and we talked about the WNBA and he said just go back and look at the w the the NBA when it started. And how long it took you know in the early going guys. Were taking trains to play. The Fort Wayne pissing they had to jump off in a cornfield and walked to the hotel or hitch a ride to the hotel. There was no way to get there. There was no money. People have second jobs to To play in the NBA and then over time we got them where they go and he felt very strongly that the same thing could happen with the women in the WNBA and he just. He wasn't going to take no for an answer on that one. Jackie macmullan is one of the legendary reporters covering basketball. She's the Co.. Oh editor of basketball. A love story which came out in two thousand eighteen. Jackie thank you so much for coming on the show to talk about David. I love talking about David. Thanks guys hi. This is dial with and I've got a quick message about a really important initiative. We are launching here at slate. It's called who counts over the next thirteen month sleep. 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And we'll talk about all the NFL playoff off games that we did not talk about with Seth Stevenson. If you want to hear that and you're not a member you can sign up for slate plus for just thirty five dollars for the first year you can do that at slate dot com slash hang up plus in two thousand six the. US Open became the first tennis grand and slams to allow players to challenge line calls in the decade plus. The Hawkeye Review System has become ubiquitous in the sport the new documentary short subject to review which is part of ESPN's thirty for thirty series traces. The rise of Hawkeye. But it's less about tennis than about the nature of objectivity. Let's listen into a clip. There are no straight lines in the natural world align is an ideal an impossible fiction off in tennis align is border between twos zones on which it is assumed. There's some essential difference here it he does something over there. It's something else. Line is a compromise truce. The physical world says says what you ask is impossible the lines baton good enough subject to review will be available to stream on ESPN plus plus starting on January thirteenth night. Recommend that you do stream it because it's interesting and delightful and weird joining us now to talk about. It is the director Theo Anthony. Hey Theo hey thanks so much. Of course Let's start with the Hukou system. It uses high speed cameras to create a simulation of tennis balls path. Path and that point is central to your movie theo. That what we're watching when we see a Hawkeye replay during a tennis match isn't really real. It's what cameras and computers say. The flight of the ball probably looked like but it looks real and his fans we interpreted Israel and. That's kind of trippy. Yeah I think a lot of my work deals the visual systems and maps and all these ways we use to organize information into something that's recognizable to us as interpreted evidence and I think that ah you know so often. We stake the image of the world. The world itself. I think a lot of my work just tries to pry open that really big gap between that. Why do you think tennis? China's decided when it implemented Hawkeye back in two thousand six. Why did they pick a system? That would offer this simulation of reality. Polity this image of what we want to see as clarity with the representation of court and the stands and the ball's path half and the balls mark on the court it all looks real and it's designed to trick us into believing that it is definitive. Yeah notice is the really big the question. It's I'll try to keep it super concise night film kind of gets into a lot of these questions. I was introduced There was a string of miscall probably is profile being the Serena Williams Jennifer Caprio two thousand four. US Open match in which there was like five or six blown calls against Serena that obviously cost her the match. There's huge call for you. You know some sort of System to check you know Aaron Human Judges and At the time Hawkeye was being tested out as a as a broadcast instrument and people saw it as an opportunity to know. Enhance the Justice of the of the sport on while also enhancing the the viewing experience and the viewing experience is like a really crucial part. Did it because Hawkeye presents a world. That looks recognizable to us. And that's really important. Because the visualization is it's for the human. It's not for the computer the Computer Peter does not need to visualize something that humans need to understand. What the computer is doing so when you see a hawk rent render of the tennis court what you're actually seeing? It's kind of a a case or an argument for this is how the world should look and the way that Hawkeye does is try to make it as distinguished people as possible from the world that we're seeing with our own eyes so all these things were seeing you know in the reconstruction. The simulation are actually necessary but from a market perspective. It's really helpful. Because Hawkeye Guy is also a private company and they're selling their product and so it's to their best In their interests to have something that looks like the real world yet as you note in the duck hockey knows the answer right away and then answer is withheld to enhance dramatic tension. You have the players and the fans all all looking up at the screen. If you go to a tennis tournament people clap along. oftentimes the rhythmic clapping is really not that rhythmic. So it kind of ruins the effect for me but ah there is this kind of Dr- they they make it into a spectacle. There's this system that is supposed to be definitive initiative and clear and to be this omniscient judge I in the sky and they turn it into kind of dramatic entertainment and you would think that those things are kind of in conflict with each other when you. Yeah you would you would think that I think that one of the big one of the richest areas exploring in this was actually. They're not in conflict that the idea of spectacle injustice. Always Kinda. Go Hand in hand if you think about like a courtroom right with the jury it's kind of like the audience right and the prosecution and the defense are are not just laying out cold facts. You WanNA charismatic. Attorney performing these this evidence and so There's there's this line By its writer Thomas Keenan who I really love and was a big inspiration for this film and he says the evidence is precisely that which is not self evident so this idea that evidence always needs to be presented always needs to reformed actually ties the two seemingly disparate ideas of entertainment injustice. That's just ever closer together and you know watching the documentary theo. What really struck me is? How tennis did the right thing? In terms of of creating the illusion of reality where other sports have failed and most recently var in soccer is that they are giving fans a video representation a replay of what happened. Can you imagine how different it would be if every sport had chosen to go the tennis route and create a simulation patient showed us to show us for instance whether the tow was offside not by showing Jack relishes tow but by showing showing us a representation a computer image of the mark where the distance where a football boot had passed or whether a ball had crossed crossed the plan and the other sports are criticized because this reality reality. The video is inconclusive. Tennis though how gives us what appears to be an answer when that's what we want. Yeah and I think the question is is always at what cost I ah you're kind of you're kind of getting into. I would have loved to make a whole series of films like kind of a comparative study of how different sports use instant replay in different ways. The Var you're with the video assistant referee in soccer. Right now is super fascinating. It's it is a Markedly different from the way that Hawkeye works in that whole Ah Video Assistant Technology a human is still finally making. You know the call. If there's if there's a call in the field it goes up to The replay booth they review it. You know it ten thousand frames per second or whatever exaggerating here but It's still a human has to make the call. What is what is unique about tennis? Tennis is that the Automated System Hawkeye Supersedes the authority of of the human judge on the field and in the case of an error and to be fair to Hawkeye. Those errors are very very rare. There is no off switch or any default. I WANNA I wanNA kind of like maybe shifted. I don't I don't I'm obviously critical the way the tennis use did. Did I think that it is in a net positive for the sport for the viewing experience but just to shift it real quick to something that a sport that I really do think does it well which is cricket And I apologize for kind of like a cricket explanations I understand that it's not a big cricket fan but I learned a little bit about how it works but basically there's this call called the leg-before-wicket and essentially there's like a bowler are pitcher throwing a ball at a batter and the batter's essentially defending a goalie. These three Posts in the ground called a wicket now though the pitchers trying to knock a wicket down and the bowl like the the batteries trying to defend the ball from hitting it so in the sport it's illegal legal to block the wicket With your leg and if you block it and the ball was on the path to hit the wicket. It's called a leg before wicket. That's illegal now. It's a really easy thing for Hawkeye to do in that is just extending like the curve at the ball with a really interesting thing. Is that your ruling on something that would have happened but did not. So you're making predictive judgment and that's a really interesting Difference but what's even more interesting about. It is the way that the two sports let's render uncertainty like Differently so the film gets into this. I talk a lot about how there is no such thing one hundred percent accuracy. That's just basic statistics ext we live in like you know really messy world and our instruments aren't perfect. We aren't perfect you know. There's a lot more there but intense. What you see is a very clean in line of a ball like in the film inside his ball outside is not all? There's this impotently thin line that separates the two states. And that's a fiction. That's that's not a real state of the world. In cricket what they do is they actually show that uncertainty as a shaded oval instead of a clean line and what they do is that if the ball like they show where the ball would have hit it. But it's within a certain margin of error They always default to the human judge. So it's a little bit in the weeds but it's really interesting that in one sport they just say here's binary out and the other they say actually at this edge. Our technology isn't good enough to make a decision. We're going to default to humid authority. And I think that that is a really amazing way to to co evolve and to use technology together and to not let it outpace. It's our own lived experience. Theo can you imagine if what you described actually made its way to that. NFL If instead of pretending that things. That aren't definitive on the feel like had a shaded oval of uncertainty around the ball like when You know it was a catcher or not a catch just like our sports. It's want to deliver these messages to us. That the the referees know what happened that it's possible the ball to know what happened I think the spread of replay and the fact that there's been replay creep in the NFL and the NBA. It's being used to evaluate me more and more calls than it's perhaps not suitable to adjudicate. And I think your film really helped convince me more than that that I was already convinced that replay is overused because if if it's going to be applicable anywhere it's in tennis. There's a very small number of variables and none of them really involve people. It's just a ball in line and yet you show really beautifully. I think how much uncertainty there is even when it's just a ball in a line and you don't inject act you know. Did the ground caused a fumble and all the stuff that we have saying and Footba they. I think I think that's a really really nice interpretation. Nation I think that you're getting the core of the film Just like my feeling is that I think sports would just be to me. It's so much more interesting if we made room for uncertainty right like we don't watch tennis like two robots hit back and forth forever. You know our goal isn't one hundred percent accuracy if it was just like watch too is playing pong against each other. I think that you know we need to make room for this uncertainty the and also to like cut a house in transparency into what goes into the decision making I think your use of the word replay creep like really Interesting replace replay with surveillance creep and. I think that you see a much larger picture that was trying to get at with this film. which is that You know increasingly. CD's really opaque algorithms defining. Our everyday live we see a judicial system that is supposed to be fair and work for people it is you know dense it's full of human errors and you know to pretend met. These are perfect systems. kind of like forecloses on the possibility of changing most systems. And so. I think that it's really important to have some Visibility Ludi and legibility of of the mechanics of how these systems work one of the things that gets suggested repeatedly on twitter and in the media regarding soccer's occurs that there should be a creation of sort of a space an oval of uncertainty a few millimeters where you don't say you give you give the benefit of the doubt to the to the referee on the field and that does seem to be the logical place to go here but it also feels like that would be in conflict with what Leagues One I. I mean I would love to hear. NFL every get on the mic on the field and say after further review the play falls within the oval of uncertainty and the ruling on the field field stands. I think that would be highly entertaining but I don't think that the NFL for in all of its infinite wisdom which seeks over and over and other sports. It's as well to lead us to believe that there is this objective reality with their decision. Making is GONNA be willing to go down well. They do have the difference between the ruling on the field stands and we confirm from the call stands. They say we can't quite we. There's not enough evidence to overturn it and confirms is like Oh yeah. They're they got it exactly right so there is that distinction and I think it's not surprising to me that it's not that way and I think that Again the question comes in of market interests where it it's in the interest of the NFL. I and their agenda to present themselves and Unassailable Authority Actually introducing uncertainty into something Just the way the world works might it actually called the question A lot of a lot of that authority I don't WanNa go too far out on a limb here but I think a lot of the questions I was also trying to maybe hokey. Oh katter gesture at was that maybe this is the way that power is always worked from religious institutions to government institutions is presenting a certain picture of the the world and in the chaos of the world and Yeah the documentary is called subject to review you can stream it on. ESPN plus starting on January great thirteenth. It's about Hawkeye and replay and a lot more and you should check it out. Theo Anthony Director of subject to review. Thank you for chatting with us. Hey thanks so much for having me now. It is time for after balls and Stefan. We didn't get into the fact that there is no replay creep in tennis tennis itself. There's a new event called the Cup and they debuted at this event new replay system for foot-faults to determine if a player's foot goes over the line and the guy who is subject to it for the first time was the Belgian player Vigo Fan and when he was penalized he was found to have committed a foot fault and he was not upset which does seem very Belgian. Here's what Kevin said. After the match it is quite cool. It is something more that that we have for the match and it's good to use the technology everybody loves technology. Four your appreciation of technology. Mr Goffin you'll be honored with this week's after after ball's Stephan. What is your fan at our live show last month in my after ball? Minor League Baseball Nicknames. I mentioned the rocket city trash pandas of Huntsville Alabama which hosts NASA Flight Center and apparently has a lot of raccoons. I heard from a couple of listeners. who were inspired to purchase trash? Pandas T he shirts. That's why I got into this business to change lives and then last week. We received a voicemail from thirty six year old Keith Petite of Omaha Nebraska. Keith Keith. Wanted to let us know that he believes he. Coined the phrase trash pan does meaning raccoons Kief told us that he. I used trash pandas in a short story where he wrote while in the Peace Corps in China in twenty eleven about the same time he started listening to this podcast he said. The story was about a Peace Corps volunteer so slovenly only that his apartment gets infested with raccoons spur of the moment. Brain Fart. Keith said I just came up with the term trash pandas because obviously they look like pandas eating trash then in January twenty fourteen. He commented on read it under a photo of a raccoon wearing a white shirt. Black vest and Black Bowtie. raccoons owns equal trash pandas. I obviously couldn't independently confirm Keith story about the short story. But we talk and everything else seemed to check out. Keith does appear to be the Reddit user who wrote raccoons equal trash pandas. After which trash pandas as a synonym for raccoons went viral. There are however some earlier examples. I found a two thousand seven performance art project titled Trash Panda and the Plywood carousel rejects. By an artist named Mitchell we be at the struts gallery in Sackville New Brunswick. I emailed Mitchell to ask about his word choice. Used that phrase because it sounded good. You know talking trash panda. I hadn't I heard the term before but I had a painting of a panda bear on a wall with the is cut out and one could look through them into space where I was painting wearing a costume. There was a performance where I worked on some canvases and several persons accompanied me a musical performance. The installation had all sorts of plywood scraps piled and painted needed to resemble something of a Carousel. There was definitely a feeling of mischievous in the air rascals or raccoons but not specifically raccoons my friend end. The lexicographer Ben Zimmer however unearth a more raccoon specific tweet from twenty eleven by at hey it's urban whom the website buffalo hello spree in crowning him. Best Tweeter of twenty twelve described as a smart gay sabres loving sometimes and SF W comics fan. Envoy raccoons are just white trash pandas at. Hey it's urban wrote white trash pandas not trash pandas. The tweet anyway away had just four likes and ten re tweets and it did not. Prompt trash pan does to blow up. It did blow up after the two thousand fourteen read it comment sub sub Reddit instagram hashtags memes. It's in urban dictionary now and which marry and the online slang dictionary. I found two bands one in Seattle. The ATL one in Atlanta named Trash Panda both founded in twenty fifteen. And of course it's in the two thousand seventeen movie guardians of the galaxy volume to. Here's the the scene. What are we even talking about this for? We just had a little mad savings by blowing up fifty ships a little this a little one inch man saved us well if he got close shady much. Large eyesight works. You Stupid Raccoon Code. I'm sorry I took it to four emit trash band. Is it better. It's of course it's so much worse. The Guardians of the galaxy character was named rocket raccoon so when the owners of the double a mobile bay bears announced in two thousand eighteen that they would move the team to Madison Alabama outside of Huntsville for the twenty twenty season and call the team's location rocket city instead of Madison. Where the team's GONNA play? The nickname seemed if not logical than at least plausible. The team held an online naming contest and trash. Pandas won in a landslide. Slide over thunder. Sharks Moon possums space champs and comet jockeys but the guy who submitted trash pandas thirty two year old. Michael Higley said a story on A.. L. Dot com that while he had seen the movie his submission one of fifteen that he made by. The way was not inspired at least not consciously by it. I was just thinking of animals of the local area and nicknames for them he said I knew realistically looking at other Minor League team names that raccoons Akhoon probably wasn't going to get it. I had to get a little more creative. Higley knew the term trash pandas from the Internet. So we sent it in our community he wrote in. His submission is known for engineering and no creature in our galaxy is a smart creative determined ending genius. A problem solver dedicated gated to the challenge at hand as our local raccoons Higley Warri coon skin cap to the name announcement in any case. We are proud that they hang up and listen. Listener appears to be responsible for the spread of trash panda as a synonym for those ingenious problem solvers dedicated to the challenge at hand Keith. Petite told us that it would be nice if the rocket city trash pandas. Let him throw out the first pitch. But I don't know then I'd have to go to Alabama. He said I'm not really too hugh keen on that idea before I go. I just want to correct something that I said on last week's show. I said that in our call out for listener comments for sports moments the decade. no-one had mentioned landon. Donovan's World Cup. Goal Against Algeria in twenty ten. In fact carry O'Brien Bouwman did do that on our or facebook page credit restored. Thanks Carrie Josh. What's your go fan? So it was really loud on Sunday afternoon. In the Superdome I war earplugs most of the time when the saints were on defense but my left ear is still stopped up in fairness. That could be because I'm getting over a cold but wait wait. I need to stop you there. Did you bring your plugs. Because you knew that it gets loud in the superdome. Did you think it was like a rock concert. I've been to football games. Before in the Superdome it gets extremely loud. What's thus the point of the airplanes? The Dome scoreboard had specific instructions for us. It said we could be sure of disrupting the vikings offense if we got one hundred seventeen decibels or above and there is an onscreen decibel meter. We could use to track progress clearly. This reading was wrong. If we had gone to like over one eighteen eighteen by the saints would have won. I'm not sure where that one hundred seventeen figure came from Stephan. We did get over at a bunch of times we did. I think we did our part. I I think I am not personally to blame for the saints horrifying defeat. But if you're wondering what is one hundred seventeen decibel sound like I found a couple of comparable sounds announced that. I'd like to share with you now. I from an October story in science magazine it has. The enticing headline watched the world's loudest bird scream for Laura mate. The story begins when it comes to choosing a mate. FEMALE WHITE BILLBOARDS WON'T SETTLE FOR JUST ANY GUY. They want male the things louder than any other bird in the world researchers found that the male wait bell bird actually crank it up to one hundred twenty five decibels totally disrupting the vikings offense and an accompanying video though there is one call that exactly one hundred seventeen decibels louder than most jackhammers. We're GONNA play clip but don't be afraid our producer. Melissa they're going to be on the dials. You will not suffer from hearing loss. I hope. Let's listen if I have not destroyed destroyed. You're hearing at. Let's move onto another example back in the seventies. The Guinness Book of World Records reported that the band deep purple was the loudest in the world. Who Ever Go? Oh a deep purple show Stephan now and I'm insulted that you would ask because it implies that I would have been going to rock concerts in the nineteen seventies. I did see JETHRO Tull. In Nineteen seventy-nine though deep deep purple has been performing continuously for decades. And so there is no implication that you had attended in the seventy s but continue. They were deemed the loudest the world registering a reading of one hundred. Seventeen exactly one hundred seventeen decibels at a concert. In London there was so loud that reportedly three members of the audience fell unconscious unconscious. I have not been able to verify that those three unconscious audience members actually existed. I was though able to find the entire concert on a youtube it was at London's Rainbow Theatre isn't the Internet magical place Let's just pause and note. How remarkable as that? We could get this this concert on online. Let Loose End Stephan to those famous cords from deep purple smoke on the water. Hope you don't get knocked unconscious MM-HMM A. B. E. A.. Come on Stephon. You felt that. I'm knocked unconscious by a spirit of rock and roll. So how accurate are these decibel meter readings. I would say I trust. The bird won the most because bird. People just feel trustworthy Australia to me. I wouldn't put the football one in last place because they're obviously going to try to juice the numbers to make the police seem as loud as possible. And there's also no generally accepted did standard for how to measure crowd ways. Obviously the distance that you're away from the sound is important. We can you know the one hundred seventeen. Eighteen of the bird call in deep purple. That was from a specific location. We can tweak it a little bit as we're playing it for you on through your ears as your as you're walking the dog and yet we get these numbers that are definitive Last year the Acoustics Company syntech published a blog. Post Austin wish it very politely questioned the game. The claim again put forward by the Guinness Book that the crowd. Kansas City's outdoor Arrowhead stadium reached a one hundred and forty two point two DB in September. Two Thousand Fourteen this blog post notes that a said tech principal consultant tint. Michael Batallion remembers the first time. He was in a tugboat engine. Room with two thousand five hundred horsepower. Em Diesel engines operating at full power. Our he notes. If I recall the sound level was one twenty eight and I could not hear myself scream at the top of my lungs. That's a fourteen decibels quieter lighter than the Arrowhead Stadium Record a difference of ten decibels according to attack is perceived as half of the sound level. Do we all really think the center of NFL stadium is twice as loud as twenty five hundred horsepower. MD diesel engines operating at full power. Stephan do you think so no but are you sure it was on. NFL Game and not a deep purple concert. Greg question it wasn't. NFL Game Not a deep purple concert so we can. We can be sure that these these numbers Sergio's they also use something called peak measurement and the blog post gets into it and some detail but it's a measurement that's as low as two and a half milliseconds rather than a longer reading of twenty milliseconds. And so they were kind of questioning why you would go with a peak measurement because even even if you're like measuring a gust of wind at Two and a half milliseconds. It could make it sound like it's jet engine so Arrowhead Stadium Guinness Book. We're not buying it one hundred forty two. It's not real Stephan. Though I hope the saints are GonNa Market Hundred and seventeenth man next year deep purple Purple Apple People Eaters. I feel like we left a little bit on the table there with with that but anyway we should just end shop. That's our show for today. Our producer is Melissa Kaplan to listen to past asked shows unsubscribe or just reach out. GO TO SLATE DOT COM slash. Hang up and you can email us at hang up at SLATE DOT COM. If you're still here I'm guessing you might want even he's been more hang up in our bonus segment Josh and I talked about the other. Nfl Wild Card Games that we didn't get to earlier segment with Seth. Stevenson Watson is a guy who gets lost a little bit in all of Understandable fanfare that Lamar Jackson and Patrick Mahomes gets but this is is a player who led Clinton to win over Alabama Alabama was in its indomitable phase leading Clemson on a game winning driving throwing the winning pass With with one second to go to hear that conversation joined slate plus for just thirty five dollars for the first year you can sign up at slate dot com slash hang up plus for Josh Levin. I'm Steffan Abscess Remembers elmo Beatty and thanks for listening.

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Bubble Statement

Around the Horn

21:31 min | 6 months ago

Bubble Statement

"Israel Gutierrez Jackie macmullan. Great to have you here big ten schedule release. Here the Games in color. And the conference built in reschedule weeks and they announced their plan or two tests recently for players. This wall over one thousand players form big ten united just like seeing in the PAC twelve this week big ten players say the proposal to play fall short they called the NCAA's approach for Kobe guidelines, laser and fair. Meanwhile. This while UCONN football canceled their season and Colorado state investigating alleged lex of Kobe's protocols Jackie small. We'll start with you what type of effect you think all this will have in college football. Well, it's all about one thing Tony the bottom line and that's the Benjamins. It's all about the money and that's why the big ten feels compelled to imagine creating to season with the idea that you know you're gonNA have to cancel some gains. It's absurd to me and you con- Kudos to them for trying to protect their athletes and their coaches and their staff by saying, we don't feel the safe. But don't mistake. This is also about money. Tony, do you not much money that you can football team lost last year thirteen point three, million dollars they made the ill-fated decision to go from one AA to one a it hasn't stuck it hasn't worked and they had a schedule where four canceled games. We're GONNA, make it near impossible for them completed full season. So these are all the bottom line on all of this is hey, we've got to play we need the revenue or in Yukons case maybe it's better if we don't. Believe it or not. But back to that big ten schedule Jackie. You said, you can't believe the fact that they built in weeks off your they could reschedule. Wouldn't you consider now at this point that at least to be some planning and thus the good thing you're right that's that's that's a fair point and a good point but it's just to me. It's amazing to me to test the week we. History so far very short history tells us. That's probably not enough. They're getting tested every day in the NBA bubble and that's working you have to be so vigilant with this virus and it you know I agree with whoever called this whole college football. Fair I agree. That was the over one thousand players of big ten united now. Let's go to Clinton Yates here on what you thought when you saw the big ten schedule today maybe Yukon or Colorado State. On a couple of things to say here, number one, the situation at Colorado state I would. Describe as despicable based on what the reports are number two. Sort of in a relevant college football program we understand what's going on there but a smart decision as to the big ten though the reason why this is I don't want to say commendable at all but I appreciate this is because what's been the toughest thing for America to do in this entire situation twenty twenty, it's make informed decisions, and if the big ten commissioner is to be believed that kids are not going to get the scholarship for vote for opting out at the very least this presents something. To say no to, and that's a lot more than a lot of these other colleges are doing, which is basically just say Oh trust me. We'll figure it out which is not good enough. That's with the SEC kids told that their conference commissioners and that's a large part of what the pack twelve is telling them. So the big ten I will give them this the kids have an option because they see what's there and they can just say no, which is more than a lot of these other conferences doing. Interestingly say Clinton Israel Qatar is your thoughts on the scheduled release and maybe those other programs you Alvarado's I definitely agree with Clinton they're just given that it's the student athletes at the one that have to feel safe. So if they have something laid out for them and they say, Hey, we'll this make you feel safe and they still say no then they can choose To opt out look at the schedule making almost as the contingency plan right because I think most normal people if you are realistic are going to say it looks like this season might not happen but if it does or if we can somehow find a way to shrink it to eight games or shrink at the six games by building in this ten game schedule than let's Do that and there are benefits to that. So it looks like there's something in place there and so I think that is the way to go. I also feel like if you look at the Colorado state situation that could be another issue because you've basically got a bunch of he said, he said over there where some people are saying, Hey, I didn't feel safe because coq. Said fourteen day protocol but maybe it doesn't have to be fourteen days and you've got other players saying, Hey, of the players safety has been on the coaches mind the entire time. So it's just a small details that can go from making you feel safe to make you feel unsafe and if everybody's not on the same page, it's just going to be difficult to follow her. Jackie Max Jeb any thoughts on alleged or investigation alleged Kobe protocol lapses in Colorado State that's a pretty disturbing report and and I understand what you're saying Israel that there are players coming out saying, oh no, I feel completely safe but that's up to the individual because maybe some of those players who are saying that really really WANNA play and I've heard this from a lot of friends of mine who have kids who are supposed. To Play College sports or even high school sports and their kids and they WANNA play. That's what we all want to do. Right. You only have a short window to get to do that. So you'll do anything you can to play, and so I think we have to be careful when we're listening to people you've got to listen to everyone if one person feels like they've been compromised in the way these Kobe regulations I'm GonNa Listen. What do you think is going to be the energy after today more programs make a decision like Yukon or more conferences make decision like the big ten yates. Other more conferences are going to make decisions like the big ten simply for the reasons that he stated have something there because what we've learned in this past week is that these kids are smart enough to know the difference that was the main thing I think that we learned from the pack twelve in that SEC conference call it wasn't just about for me the demands it was. About the fact that Oh, yeah. These young men and women can express themselves in a clear and concise cogent way to the issue and they are just as much valuable to everything is everything else we know and so they can convince people hey, this isn't a good idea not just for us but also for you that we might actually get to this in a smart way which I think is what conferences are going to realize they have to because the other option of forcing it through it's not gonNa work man nobody's GonNa like that. That'd be the last word on the matter we'll move on basketball. Now let's go to the bubble. Forlan hard charging Memphis for that eight seat how they beat Houston last night with. Hall of Famer Bubble Mellow and. Doesn't. Value Carmelo. Anthony. He thinks he's all of Famer and you won't be disrespectful to him. It was anthony with the three and the block to seal the win versus Houston how real and how good is this Portland team right now and how loud the apology to Carmelo Anthony Be Gutierrez I mean it can be as loud as you want to as long as on the tail end we can drop in. I. Told you so on there because the. Whole point of Carmelo toward the end of, let's say the first part of his career before his Portland Year started was we asked him people ask Him Hey, be humble enough to come off the bench spot score maybe lose some weight so that you can be better defensively and accept a different role. He's done that here in Portland and he is flourishing they're. Not only that it just happens to be a great fit for him. Not only do you have a superstar legitimate in Damian Lillard who can sort of be the lead guy of Carmelo can respect but you've got two guys behind you in Tucson white all year long was leader in blocked shots, and now you have use of Newark is back there and so. Carmelo doesn't have to be the brilliant perimeter defender, and so we always knew he could offer this had to be about fit and it had to be a bold on. You're trying to say we always knew Damian Lillard is saying you never say never say it loud enough and you're trying to say I'm all apologized but I also say I told you so. Check back. On Carmelo here and The Blazers feel like they're being overlooked. Well, one thing that has always been true about Carmelo, and even as he changed teams and things didn't work out for him in his various stops. The players always believed him that always seems unanimous to me. He's one of the most likeable players in the league. He was a superstar hall of Famer and I think players look at him and say, wow, that could be me someday but he always handled himself in a way he was never. A clubhouse locker room problem his issues tended to be that GM's coaches decided. You know what? This isn't gonNA work. It wasn't players go into the coach and GM sane get this guy out of here. That was never the case. So I'm happy for Mellow Skinny Mellow I like what he's doing, but let's let's be realistic about how well Portland is doing. Yes. Mellow has something to do with it but has an awful lot to do with that too. He missed most season. Yeah. But you would say those GM's executives they there they were wrong. They have to admit they were wrong about mellow correct. Well. That's up to them for decide whether they want to say. The ones that didn't sign him all this time and they're the ones that moved on from not the media. So Damian Lillard says Carmelo Anthony Been. Undervalued by all people I guess Clinton aide who say what? That's a historical an incorrect people. Simply as I just said, hey man, maybe you just can't be the last great American Ball Hog as a great story and ESPN described him one time and you can be effective on a team Olympic. Was a thing for a reason that was his most effective play as a player in his career, and that includes every single time. He played the pros I mean, look the blazes are good. Of course. It's a good thing that mellow can step in and knock shots, knock these shots down and be the guy that he wants to be but I'm not getting lost in mellow when the blazes are actually a team that are on the grizzlies heels overall as far as making their way into these playoffs. It's nice for mellow but absolutely, he had to make some changes after literally laughing reporters face his introductory press office in Oklahoma City at the notion of coming off the big Bro. and. So. That's a lot of sorry not sorry from you, guys. A full apology but I'll allow. The Jackie. What's that? I'm sorry Tony I didn't care more than going to take this seat. I don't know if they're gonNA take the eighteen, but I will say they'll be in that play in game. Okay and Israel Portland take the safe seat. They seem like the best combination of a healthy veteran team of those at the bottom and I think they're going to match that see. One more team maybe that's been undervalued maybe that you people are obligated to not talk about every show the Indiana Pacers, could we talk about them or will you allow three and in the bubble? TJ Ward is Mr Bumble. He's dropping thirty plus every night. How real good is India right now going Great I mean they were the five seed beforehand but the reason why people were not going to be as good because. Then, lost on the bonus in be people didn't know what the situation was only depot is going to. Now, of course, I didn't think that I like to call them the plank TV's we're going to take over everything but nobody thought this was a bad basketball team people just wonder just like everybody else how they were going to get it together from a personnel standpoint and they've shown up been very impressed. Jack Mick. And I think it's really helped L. Depot did decide to play. There was so much uncertainty hanging over that and of course, he missed various parts of the beginning of the season. He makes a big difference format. TJ Lauren me I. Would I knew he was a very good player I'm GonNa. Lie If told you I thought he was going to start dropping fifty on full. That's on me I didn't see that coming but nate McMillan good coach they always defend they're always in games I mean do we think they're going to get out of the East is anybody on this panel willing to say that I don't know. Is Real good. Two years debut really no I just want you guys to know. It was told in my ear that I should say there pacing themselves. I'm not going to tell this. I will however talk about Tj Ward and. He's always been this level of efficient this level sixty, five percent but he's been an efficient score for the past few seasons fifty five percent this year like fifty, seven percent from two point rage and so if you watch. The scores for him. It was a lot of straight lines in transition Semitransition, no nonsense buckets, and he happens to be in rhythm from the outside. So when you get a score and this kind of rhythm, he's going to put these kinds of numbers if you're telling me that really good defensive team is going to Game Plan Against Warren, he's not going to score this well. That'll be the last word on Pacers coming up, we have buy or sell and the PGA. The first major would someone goal for three in a row and other going for a career slam and a tiger woods also on the course. WNBA responds to players around the wobble wearing vote walnut t shirts before the game last night. There has been no response through our tetons afternoon Reverend Raphael warnock running for State Senate in Georgia against Atlanta dream owner Kelly left leftovers response out of control canceled culture. The League is more concerned with playing politics and basket. Fault. Jackie macmullan I'll ask you what type of situation does wnba funded Selby. While I. Find Senator Leffler comments interesting. He's the one more interested in politics and basketball, and when she pushed back on Sane, she didn't like the message of black lives matter upon the WNBA. That's what raised the ire of these players in to me. They're at the forefront of social justice. Tony. They have been from the very beginning the WNBA is so smart and so to me. So carrying their message, and in this case, they could have fired back at their owner, which is exactly what she wanted to do and they recognize that and instead they took a very. Premeditated very careful approach and said, you know what? How's the best way we can express our disappointment and effect change I know what we'll do we'll put the name of her opponent on our backs and say vote for him instead. You. So you would call that a careful approach, call it a beautiful approach I. liked it. The position that the League is in right now someone who pays the checks a players in the league is saying the League is more into politics basketball and they're trying to cancel me how you feel about that. Well it's. It's a pretty I. Think this is a situation that Senator Leffler wanted I. think she made those comments. She's in line with President trump and I think she made those comments to cause a stir to cause attention to her campaign and I think the players said we're not gonNA. Take this bait. That's not what we're GONNA. Do. Is Rookie, tears. You know it's frustrating to hear Leffler, read her mentioning the cancel culture and using that catchphrase not surprising but using that catchphrase to get people on their side because this is not canceled culture this is WNBA. Players knowing you want to say it's politics they want to say it's their human rights. They want to say that there are human issues that they're being violated by Kelly left they do not believe that they are on the. Same Level as other people and so I do believe that this is wnba players taking control and I understand my first initial thought was wo man politics and work like this is the definition of mixing politics with whether they work or entertainment. But again, this isn't necessarily about the norms of the pass is about changing and Wnba as as Jackie set has been ahead of the game in terms of forcing change and this to me becomes fair game. It was about a month ago after Leffler, his comments about black lives matter that the WMBA released a statement saying she hadn't been in the day to day ownership of the team at least the last nine months I believe is what they said no response through our tape Tom. Again today what positions the WNBA right now. I think they're in a fine position as you know what? They usually are the leaders public discourse on matters of social justice. This is part and parcel with what they do I. Mean I don't mean to be flip here, but this is another situation where basic Asian African proverb applies don't start nothing won't be nothing if Kelly left did not want to get into it with wnba players about the nonpolitical statement of black lives matter. She shouldn't have said anything at all. I. Don't even need to get into the level of arrogant privilege. It shows as a sitting senator to be telling people. You can talk about something can't. That's a separate matter in terms of the moral high ground that is not there but overall year, this is what I expect him the WNBA. Because this is what they do. They talk about it and they be about it and I am proud of it. Renee Montgomery plays for the team has asked for a conversation with her own or Kelly Leffler bet has yet to be received in any way by Leffler. We're GONNA move on her sell to. The PGA If the major this year. Harding Park. Outside San. Francisco Brooks. Kepco going for back to back to back which hasn't happened. In ninety three years Jordan speed. He's got a shot the career slam every. Major Now Tiger sport within two object. He said this is what he's been gearing up for. Israel, what would be the best story and how will the first major be one? Of the best story would be tiger winning, but that's not gonNA to happen. I mean he's gearing up for this, but he hasn't really been playing. So it's hard to imagine. He can put together four straight rounds of that level of quality play I really WANNA. See Bryson to Shambo at least be up there with the leaders because he's the most entertaining Gulf are out there right now he went from a guy who was the Gulf nerd took forever on his shots to now he's just bulked up and literally hitting the paint off the ball as. Four hundred, twenty yards away I wanna see that guy as much as possible right now. You know they have competitions for that alone is you don't have to watch actual golf tournaments and I know but I'm rooting for kept here because kept the best attitude of anybody on the tour, which is no new friends he worried about other golfers. Isn't it as even have worries number, which is the funniest thing ever from a Golfer and a long time I love kept. Jackie. I'm going to go with Justin Thomas I can't believe anyone else didn't take him I the number one golfer in the world just coming out it'd be the story of Justice Thomas where. He can be the next great person we could talk about forever today and he's got so many great stories about Patty. For Michael Jordan young kid in the Jordan said Hey let's take on this other guy and Gamer skins and he didn't even know he had a ringer in young justice Thomas but he did he. Endlessly fascinating? I said Brooks Koepka for the first time in ninety three years that he would want back back to back in disorder. And that's not a big. Just obvious would be a big deal Jackie. Chan laugh. A, Wai wait even a smile for Jackie. Because Israel Gutierrez, Clinton Gates showed up minute. Except in baseball right now Saint Louis, a nine game postponement streak by abby one game. Since coming back to the the play and winning streaks of four war right now in baseball Colorado's Goblin Oakland. Chicago Chicago and Minnesota New Yorker or much longer than that. So. So many streets and what means that the most Israel? Small sample size so far Tony but I'm GONNA say the rockies partly because they're doing it with pitching so far eight and two rockies and pitching not exactly the way they normally win some say them in this odd season. We. To be the white sox to the actual team. Here of all these guys of course, they've got Mantilla on the infield in the outfield Lewisville Betty Lou Bob he's the best thing coming out of Chicago baseballwise in what? Did you say, Chicago White Sox are the best team of all the teams we mentioned including Minnesota and Personal Opinion Not New York obviously not but all the other ones. Yes. Okay. All right. Now that we get to the bottom of that point good showdown to Detroit delay the unauthorized drogoul it was called the yeah. I believe it was at. First, in major league history, who's trump was it was it over targeted field to begin with all the mystery you want to stop it for us other takeaway from this. This is no mystery what is going on all twenty twenty nobody's been in the crowd. If you WANNA watch tag on ballgame from inside the Ballpark, get a drone it works. I don't know I mean it's target field, but they're out there to just be a target out there aim here because they can't have people out there holding signs maybe that's what it was can't really figure it out. Well That people thought it was Trevor Bauer whose Georgia bitches this everybody else put Israel Gutierrez thirty seconds. facetime goes to my you know what's funny is when teams talk about the lack of respect I don't think it's necessarily that they talk bad about them said, they don't talk about them at all and men and we disrespect the Miami Heat on this program. I mean, did they just not have a win against? The Boston. Celtics. That three seat without their best player Jimmy Butler and they happen to do it against team full of wings and what are the heat had not a whole ton of wings right now with Jimmy Butler not healthy. Thank you Gordon drug, and Bam out of value for holding up your team and I wanted to spend this time talking about the Miami Heat as it should have been from the beginning. Can we talk about? Another team being disrespected I mean every team gets disrespected. Johnny. Okay. That's it. We're all the PGA see you Monday.

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Poor Sports

The Hoop Collective

43:15 min | 9 months ago

Poor Sports

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One one can sign up now and get that in a whole bunch more at ESPN PLUS DOT com. Hello and welcome to the collective podcast. We talk about the. Nba team returns in the correct time. Slot Midweek joining us from Boston. Is Jackie macmullan Jackie? Hope you're doing well I am. They keep building on my home. Studio Brian. I have so many things in there now. Bells and whistles very fun. I haven't though like having seen a couple of your first appearances it needed to be built up. No offense I understand it was. It was a little bit Spartan well I think you'll like what you see this Sunday. All right all right So real quick just first off. Tim McMahon joining us Back toback podcasts. For Tim Tim Hope you're doing well. Hopefully cuisine pizza is sold out so the NBA has a quagmire here and I actually think that it is going. I mean I think I mentioned this on a podcast day. Maybe I I can't remember I. This is going to set up what we're going to see in sports all over in the next few months the NBA's issue right now is is that there are certain states that are allowing more activity than other states. Georgia is at the forefront of it and. That's why the Hawks are in there at the same time. Georgia is loosening restrictions on this Friday California. Just increase their stay at home order another month to the end of May And but see guys what I think is that this is an issue the NBA dealing with today but the bigger issues are coming down the line and that's at some time later this year when there's going to be certain states where there's going to still be the rule about fifty people or ten people to Everett is and other states are going to be like come on in and let's play basketball and there may be some states by the fall says hey you can even open Umbrian fans on a limited basis. You can have you know pocket of fans here than empty row pocket of fans. There will be a big issue football where I think you'll see certain areas specifically the south. Say let's play football and other areas like the west coast. Say there's not going to be a football played on what you're GonNa do about that And the NBA. Jackie has really taken steps. I mean Adam. Silver said several times in appearances and interviews. Do not expect us to say anything to after. May First we are waiting into after. May I do anything and here? We are there in April and they're having to mess with going back and forth because of this issue which I think is going to be be a problem. I don't know what the answer is here. Jackie I just know that this is. This is going to be really hard to figure out. Well I think the answer is there's just sometimes. Things are more important than whether your team gets to play basketball. I mean and I'm not trying to be flipping either. I just think we're at a point where and I believe that the League feels this way that they're just. There are bigger issues than weather. The hawks players can get into their facility a couple of weeks before another team. And here's why I think this because the equalizer is this that the league if they come back and that's still a big if it feels like a bigger if every day because the runways getting shorter and shorter if in fact they do that. They're going to have a minimum of four weeks of training camp and I think the league fields that while this is an ideal to have some places open sooner than others that that four week time period where teams will have training camps that that will balance out if you WANNA call it. The competitive disadvantage. And I think they're now if teams are really hell bent on feeling that they're being you know they're at a disadvantage because the hawks can get together at their practice facility only four at a time I believe. And if you WANNA fly your team to Atlanta and quarantine there and do that you can but I think I think what the League's position is like. This is just a what's going on right now is just. It's bigger than whether some teams can have four players go to their practice. Facility McMahon The Lakers Dave McMenamin reported the Lakers asked for special permission to. I don't know if they ask for the city of La the state of California that they could do this for this very reason. I know Texas's correct in saying the Texas releasing is they are say slow. Roll out that starting this weekend. Despite the fact that I believe there were more positive krona virus cases today in the state and there have been any other day. I they're not opening gyms yet. It's it's like twenty five percent capacity in restaurants and other really stupid ideas. So but I mean it could becoming where the Mavericks Rockets Spurs name may be more ahead of the curve than say you know like visited within the Lakers clippers. I mean and look like honestly who kit box could be two days. Who gives a crap? They're not going to play. Offs gives a crap out that does I mean seriously so so like for example if it's Oklahoma and the thunder are a playoff team. Okay I can see what you're talking about advanced or the jazz or you know we can go round various small markets that that might be opening up sooner and we would have that advanced but Jackie's right like dude. Look there's going to be a significant training. Camp guys got plenty of time to fine tune their shots you know. They're doing what they can. Stay in shape. Now they're going to have at least three plus four weeks to try to get you know close to game shape as possible and I just you know. It's there's a lot of things that aren't the plainfield never completely level that's just life that's the NBA. I mean Look Okay Oklahoma City. Maybe they'll get a few extra jump shots practice facility. Well they also had their faces. The franchise say Hey. We NEED TO GET TRADED. The major market teams. Because we ain't get done ear. You know I mean the great irony one force trade Salt Lake City or okay. See I can promise you that. That's the great irony isn't it? The small market teams for once in their life actually having advantage. That's the great. Well the thing is. I don't know if everybody felt this way but I got the impression that there was like oh the NBA beginning to open back up again They're on the path to recovery. And I I want to stop short. I don't think that I don't think that we shot Quentin No. That's not what I think. Some people are making that connection. I think you're right Brian. But this is completely separate from basketball. And in some ways it really has nothing to do with basketball now. Listen I've been writing stories and talking to people and talk to a couple of GM's actually the day before yesterday some markets that won't be open for a while and they just didn't sound. I mean they'd like well. I think Adams doing his best to try to make this level playing fields. They can't but I didn't hear anybody alarmed or furious her outraged because guess what that's the wrong response in it just is. I think when I talked to some teams that you know they just like listen. We got a bunch of young guys. They're all in apartments. There gyms are closed in their apartments. We just gotTa get our guys doing physical activity again. zoom where they really can't keep an eye on them so We'll see I I hope it's the beginning of progress. I hope it's I hope three or four weeks all of a sudden like. Hey now we can write a place where we can Started actually brings four. People can be in the same half court because right now they camping the same half court th the way it the way I have read it. you come in and yes. You can have two teammates there. But you're going to all be separate and the closest anybody can get fifteen feet and the Pearson here's rebounding for you is GonNa have to work gloves and practically has met soon as soon as you walk in the door. You can have your temperature taken. And then you're GONNA YOU'RE GONNA you're GonNa give over your keys in your phone and they're going to be dipped in In clorox and then you can't use any of the hydro You I don't I think as I read this Correct me if I'm wrong but you can't use the hot tub with a cold tub or the underwater treadmill or that and I. I don't I don't remember the allowed to shower there. I don't remember but I mean I just think it's like you know I'll say this too because let's not be naive people everything you just described once those four guys walk into that practice facility. We have no idea what's going to happen and look the other thing is. I think it's naive to assume that every NBA player has been following the stay at home orders to the to those guys. I'm not saying all of them but there are a lot of guys who've been working out. That isn't necessarily fouling letter of the law and so that's where I think. Nba teams like. Hey at least if they're workout at our facility. We can take all the necessary precautions. Make search possible cert. Yeah that's a good point is going to golds gym. Which technically I suppose the Atlanta Hawks could do based on this loosening of the guy so in China. The teams have been practicing for a month to six weeks now since they've gone on their most recent Halt order faves disbanded a little bit. Let's guys go home but there have been guys practicing there for over a month now and No reported cases although who knows how truthful be but I think if it was a basketball player we may have heard about it but So there is some of that that's gone on over there that is you know it hasn't slowed them down in terms of the they've kept practicing so We'll see but It's just an interesting. It's the first of many difficult decisions that the that the NBA is going to have in in the coming months and While we're going to watching pretty closely at this because this is you know I I assume there's baseball players hitting engages places. You know I I. Assume pitchers are throwing off mounds places? I think there's probably other other pro athletes doing stuff it's just the NBA is so guys you've got the Freakin Dak Prescott. Cabos working out with Dez. Brian Desert little personal trainers was recording the stuff and posted on instagram. Like what in the world are you thinking about you idiots right all right well? I did want to bring up something. The came up on the last dance on Sunday and our coverage of the last dance is brought to you by state farm when you want the real deal like a good neighbor state farmers. They're in the coverage is also brought to you by A T and T. Jackie I thought of you and I was watching. We talked about Rodman last week I was good stuff. I'd never heard of the Midseason vacation before. Isn't that unbelievable? What great detail that was. That was so good. So let me ask you this if you're if you're a modern day. Nba Player because really the reason. Adnan able to go on. That trip was because he was so good and Phil. Michael realized that they needed him to be right and that if they didn't acquiesce he's probably going to go. Pow for another month. They wouldn't get good play basically they did it because he was good Now you could are now. There are people close to you in the last few days. Argue that this actually still happens in the NBA. Because they're certain guys who you know would load management. Consider that vacation. I don't think that's comparable and I shut that down. I go Not That's quite going to vegas for a few days. Carmen Electra. Sorry well there's guys you might sneak in an off day trip to Vegas. You know getting that the guy on your rockets team is famous. For every time I see someone is out with the flu and they're only out for one day. I'm like they don't have the flu. They're over exactly but anyway I. I love the story that Tom Haberstroh our former colleague Hispanic now at NBC tells he went to a Bachelor Party in Las Vegas the day the JR Smith we return to the NBA. With the next he had been in China he signed with the Knicks and his first game was a Sunday afternoon noon gave mass and square garden. was in the Las Vegas Airport taking a Redeye after after he had gone to a Bachelor Party for the weekend and sitting next sitting at the next though with Jay argue taking a red eye of New York Not Sean Years Ago Jerry one six year New York but Jr Smith had this kind of Ability back in his prime he would take it and so I wanNA know you know if that just emboldens some guys to say. Rodman got away with it. Why can't I get away with that? Now see I think. I think this is so much more to do with Phil Jackson then anything else. This is why Phil Jackson to me is one of the greatest coaches of all time. Because of the way he connects with players. You know. He so disarming Phil Jackson. You know that little chesser granny gives you you know. He's just a very disarming guy but the most disarming thing about him is he's just there's no. Bs He just SORTA says all right. Yeah you're like Dennis Man. Yeah we gotta let them go to Jordan. Didn't want him to go this. Yeah this was Phil Phil. Angry about twenty years later. Yeah right but Phil. Phil's like no no. This is what we need to do with him and think about it. It was kind of genius in a way so Phil says to all right. I'm GonNa let you go to Vegas for the weekend and when you come back you're going to be my ex factor. You're GonNa help me win a championship because I am leading you do this and I am trusting you to do this so when you come back you're GonNa give me everything you have and you know what that's what happened. That is what happened. Yeah and it's one thing we're talking about guys sneaking. Alter Vegas off days. It's another thing when you're missing practices. Did He Miss Games? I I don't know I don't know that story. Oh Yeah I mean it was all. It was not very well known. Obviously at the time when this was highlighted in today's Day and age a lot of these guys fly private now but back then. I'm sure Dennis was not flying private. He was probably just you know boarding United Flight for Las Vegas some Wednesday afternoon and somebody on twitter would be like. Why are you driving them? Flying with device. But of course it was no twitter. There were no cell phones. Of course there was lights his own private Eddie go tells a great story that he's with Mas- dot com now but he covered the rockets for the Houston Chronicle back in the day including Barclays Time. And he tells a great story about when. Barkley after an all star game says. Hey I got a scoop. I got a scoop for you. Come with me to Vegas and that is like hockey timely vase. I got a private jet. Kamado of I'll fly but I'm going back to Houston halfback. Vegas ends up going to vegas embarking. The scoop was bark who is going to be. was going to transition the sixth man role but that was Barclay Decide last minute. Hey I want to go to Vegas. Well let me just say Charles. Barkley and Dennis Rodman were two different Profiles in terms of Salary but my was was scraping by. Okay let's not assume it was the four. Let's say you were in. The morale is pretty good little supplementary income sources pal. Well let's just say you were in the Mirage. You saw Dennis Rodman at the blackjack table you might have had the same reaction. Tweeted it So the interesting thing that has gotten all the reaction. Jackie I just you know I I am indifferent to this and this is just clear in many different ways. It's clear all the time that I'm not an NBA player I'm indifferent to the idea of of the Notch. Shaking of hands Guy Like Lebron got roasted for it at one time but there have been plenty of other times where I've seen guys like all I can't say for sure but I know positively that KGB after Lebron vanquished him in the playoffs. Two or three times cagey had no interest shaking his hand and no one said anything about that. James Shake warriors hands a lot. Like you say it's it goes so much deeper than that guys. It's not as simple as that to to suggest that Isaiah. Thomas did not make the Dream Team because he didn't shake Michael Jordan's hand after that game. That is shenanigans with a capital S. Okay this goes way back and also I thought the most fascinating part of this. This last week was Jordan loses again to the Pistons in the conference. Finals loses again third time. And what does he do? He goes up. He shakes. Everybody's hand. Hugs the guys on the Pistons that he does a live interview within seconds. I was amazed eliminated and says they're the better team on disappointed but he was so game. Seven yeah so gracious and handled himself so professionally. I couldn't I don't remember that it was so corporate telling you I don't care. I don't care what he was. It was unbelievable because spokesman shifts most overrated thing about now. No can you let me finish. Let me finish speaking sportsmanship. So fact that he could do that because I know you everybody that ever covered or knows how ticked off. He was how upset he was how angry he was for him to have the self control whether it was corporate or not to do that. And then of course we find out later. He goes on the team bus. He cries on the team bus. He's miserable summer. That was an exercise in self control that most elite athletes can't do because they're mad they're like there's famous stories a million of them about Magic Johnson Losing Games and not letting them leave the gym until they play him again because he hates losing that much. We'll know AIDS losing more than Michael Jordan. But that's the kind of thing that he felt was the proper way to respect the game. Not just respect him but respect the game so an even that is just one example of what? I'm talking about everything that the Pistons were. Rub Him the wrong way now. Started with the fact that he'd lost to them. The Pistons were a great team. The one thing I don't like is everybody beating up on the bad boys right now because they won their championship in unbelievable fashion. They played incredible defense now. Did they hit after the whistle? Yes they did. In fact John Salley admitted on this on this dock that it was part of the deal. If you're GONNA if going to the basket knock them down. We can debate all day where that's the right way to play the game or whatever but let's not diminish what the with the Pistons accomplished with those back to back championships. They were great teams and they were really fun to watch. I covered them enjoyed them. But this goes back to Jordan Disliking Isaiah Thomas and it goes before that and I'll bring it up again whether it happened or not. He still believes to this day. That Isaiah frozen out of that all star game now did he. I don't think so because I don't even think you could control the game enough to do that. But but did he welcome Michael Jordan with open arms? Did he say hey kid? Welcome here we go. No I'm sure he didn't he said I'm sure he was sane. Hey let's make this kid earn it but it doesn't matter whether he froze him out on purpose or not what matters is that Jordan is convinced he did and George is better than us to and as Charles. Barkley about holding the grudges us. Barkley made some comments about Jordan's choice to run the Bob Cats and they were the best of friends. I'm telling you they were together all the time. And they're not even speaking they don't even speak to each other anymore. Jordan's alleged grudge holder and Isaiah. Thomas is a historically poor sport. I mean there was also you know when Robert Been Jack. You were there when Rodman the whole In regards to get this attention. Because he's a White Guy. I'm paraphrasing you and is am co-signed it and took it in your that takes it to a totally different landless. So He's a. He's a terrible sport. Who gives a crap? The only thing I was disappointed in is that Isaiah. Three decades later trying to rationalize. Just just saying you know what I hated. Loosen I hated the Bulls. They can kiss my ass organised. Shake their hands. Whoop de do which is what a Bill Laimbeer said. Bill is who he is from here to eternity. He's never he's a genuine. You may not like him but he's he's genuine as the day is long. Yeah that's exactly what he said. I didn't like them I did. We walked off the court. That's what we decided to do. You know whether the Celtics did that or not to me is you know. I suppose it's relevant to some degree but I don't know if you guys saw this. There was an interview this week in the Boston Globe. Were John Jennings. One of the Celtics. Assistance said that the reason the Celtics walked off the Pontiac Silverdome floor when they lost to the Pistons in the conference. Finals was for security reasons because everybody was GONNA flood out of the stands into from the Silverdome onto the court and by the way that's a ton of people that's John Generates claimed that Casey Jones wanted his guys safely in the locker room. Now I call Chris. Ford yesterday was also assistant coach. Longtime NBA player hit the first ever NBA three pointer by the way for Trivia purposes. And we were laughing about it because neither one of US remember. I mean I covered the game. It was not a big remember. I I want to point out about the geography so at the Old Palace of Auburn Hills most MBA courts have tunnels at each end of the court So you go one way you go. The other Sometimes there's tunnels in the middle of the stands at the old mask guard before the renovation near the tunnel in the middle of the teams came together in Toronto is One of the only places both teams go down the same tunnel But at the at the old palace to get to the home locker room you there was only a tunnel at one end Greg Palace no no get the palace nano the well. The Celtics one wasn't it was at the Pontiac so I know. But but this infamous shaking so to so to get to the locker room and remember. The game wasn't over yet to get to the locker room. You had to walk directly in front of the visitors bench and so not only did they not shake their hands which you can judge itself but they walked within a foot of those guys down the bench and that shot which was in the documentary. It's a powerful shot. It's kind of like In Miami when whether things about Ray Allen Ray Allen Classic shot you know he hits the shot in the in game six to force overtime though. The court is ringed by all the people in the yellow in the yellow shirts to for the trophy presentation that was about to bring out the trophy for the Spurs It's part of the classic nature of that shot. Is that that those people were there The well the classic thing about this and I'm not saying that Jordan's graduated been any different. I'm just saying the look was even worse. People don't remember the Celtics not walking off because there's not video footage of the Celtics walking directly past the Pistons Bench and giving them the cold shoulder. So you know I. I don't know that was that big of a deal but I know that I've always thought the visual of just literally walking past them. But I I guess the larger point. O'brien is that we're we're now like focusing on Manusha and trying to make a determination on a was to Michael Jordan that is targeted sort of Michael Jordan because he holds drudge on Manusha all the time. I think it was a bigger I think for Jordan even bigger than that. I think he just there were many reasons. Why didn't like the Detroit Pistons and Isaiah Thomas? Though not shaking hands was only one of them now maybe Sochi so he would hold the same grudge whether they shook the hands are not going to find something. Ah if they had shaken his hand. You think that Michael Jordan would like the Pistons in Isaiah Thomas a quiz that you think he would have lobbied for Isaiah to be on the Dream Team with A. Hey good job go get him in the final. It's it's one of these classic debates because you can go on for hours and I. I enjoy poor sports. I wish there were more guys. That's clear blatantly poor sports. Here's what I think. It's hard to be good sport right. Isn't it in the heat of competition? I mean I feel like after high school. You shouldn't have to be like okay. You know when you're not you okay. Get it after high school to hell with it. Of course I once got big trouble in high school football game because I got knocked out of bounds. The cows talking trash unleashed several expos and the headmaster. My boarding school was standing about five feet away with some parents and we won the game. And I'm getting my bitch at after the game on like screw you in the game. If you don't WanNa hear that stuff stains somewhere else. Well there was a reason why you were at the boarding school. This is true. I just here's what I think. I know a little bit. Not as well as you do. Jackie but Friday to sit down. He knew exactly what he was doing. He knew. This is Michael's documentary. He knew he was going to asked about this. He wore a beautiful blue suit. For one of the nicest Suits we see in the documentary. Certainly more well dressed than Michael. Michael's wearing camouflage shorts and stuff and he came ready with that answer. He knew that this was an opportunity if he he could have changed the discussion on this and he was like no. I didn't do it then. I didn't do it fifteen years later. I'm not doing twenty years later. I don't care and that's one of the things I like about it. He knew what he was saying was going to be prominent. And the filmmakers knew too which is why they showed it to Jordan. Wanted to get his reaction but isn't Isaiah Thomas so well-spoken he really is. He's a very intelligent guy and he's very well spoken. But for whatever reason it's not just Michael Jordan for whatever reason there was he has rubbed people the wrong way through the years. And you know I've always had a great relationship with Isaiah. I think he's I think you should have been on the Dream Team. He deserved it on the merits of his of his game. He should've been on that that roster but I think it's wrong to blame just Michael Jordan for reasons that he's not by the way. Do I have to remind you guys at Chuck? Daly was the head coach of the Dream Team. Right Chuck Chuck Daly really wanted. Is Thomas on that team. Don't you think he could've made that happen? Chuck's hair chucks hair was was in his prime chocolates. You know it makes so sad to see him. See those theft footage of him and he was just such a special person and you can see the relationship he had with with Rodman. And all those guys in. Just one of the most beloved coaches I've ever been around towards the only one who holds the garage and Horace Grant referred to the pisses straight up see male dogs. Three decades later was was pretty nice. Great but I from what I understand and hearing about the stories in Barcelona On the off days chuck was racing Jordan to get to the golf course after the practices are they played cards till two. In the morning they played. They played multiple rounds of golf. They played pool. They drank Scotch. There was lots of revelry. Going on our voicemail mail We're going to read here Andrew what is the voicemail number four zero two Andrew left I andrew he's muted. He's just probably snoring sorry. The number is four zero two three one six two nine five. Hi This is Mike from Lansing Michigan a big. Fan Of podcast. Thank you for all you do Just recently when you're talking with Jackie Brian you had talked about hand checks and just different ways. The leakers. Change defensively over the years. You think we're headed for a leak. Where all of a premium is placed on defensive players. I feel like guys like Ben. Wallace who run draft is Michigan. Detroit Pistons guys. So of course I've used that example are just under appreciated and Don't get the credit. They deserve and guys like Tony. Allen and respond Jackson brought up to just curious where you think the League defensively. You think Mike say a Michigan State Fan. He's obviously a Pistons Fan but Michigan State Fan. He Heals Michigan State. Players are known for being greedy defenders and rebounders. He wants Michigan state players to keep doing shot at the dream on. That's true that's true So jagged talked a little about the handshakes actually heard from a couple of people in the League who listened to the POD and said Hey I agree the lasting. Jackie said which was the handshakes checks something about it. So here's my twenty years Involved with the NBA Defense Cycle summit up into two paragraphs when I first started covering the League in the early two thousands The there was lots of hand shaking. There's lots of holding. There's lots of hand fighting the Games. After Jordan retired specifically started being seventy eight seventy three. We had a couple of very very low rated finals. the navy or being Pistons against US Spurs two thousand five. It was a struggle. All the way the lead role changed the Or Two thousand four or five. Anyway I think it was four. No four is the the Pistons beat the Lakers. He was five all right anyway. It take the handshake rules away. And as a result if he because you couldn't put your hands on the defense Your defense can put your hands on the players. A new style of defense came because players were able to drive and get to the basket the first year they took an Cecchi Away Koby I think Kobe average thirty five or thirty six it was aftershock had been traded. He had won the highest scoring years in the League. Because of the freedom of movement rules in the fouls up Alan Iverson stats that year. Yeah everybody's stats exploded. All the stars. So what what happened was the spurs pioneered. This A shrink the floor defense. So if you couldn't put your hands on the player the what you really needed was taped. Bring help defense so Popovich and a lot of teams copied. It was draw. The defense in get everybody in the paint was called shrink the floor and you couldn't score on them and so what happened if you if the defense is playing shrink the floor. What is the offense to stretch the floor? And the strength the floor defenses and their success ushered in the stretching the floor idea which the warriors and Steph Poured Gasoline on. And we are now in the stretch the floor era and now Popovich. It doesn't like stretching the floor. He wants to go back to the floor and Jackie. It sounds like if you want the hand checking. You want help defenses. You don't like the The current the current pace offenses are at. Well it's not that what I don't like is the fact that you can be a big man down in the post like embiid or even when he posts up and you can be manhandled. You can get an elbow in your jaw you can have. Someone can stick their fist in your gut which is supposed to be legal based on the hand checking roles and you can be manhandled. And there's no call and yet James Harden or Steph curry or whoever else is out at the three point line can up you know uptake? And you're you're the fingernail on your thumb as you go flying past hits them and they get three foul shots. That's what I object to. There's gotta be a better way to enforce the rules down underneath and to give a little more leeway from behind the line well and building on that I think that the unnatural axe to get fouls they. They've got to get rid of that so they've got like the little rip moves up. Yeah the retinues Chris Paul Special. Who obviously he's now on? What he's he is by far the best at that they have taken. Unless you're in the bonus that's no longer shooting fell will what they have to do is. That's no longer defense. Foul if you swing your arm sideways into a guy who otherwise wouldn't touch you see the offense of Fowler words. No call so they get rid of that and look if you fly sideways and Fling Up. A bull crap shot again. That's not a defensive foul if you are intentionally going way out of normal shooting form just to contact. That's not new. That's not a foul. But I'll jump if you jump into guys not a foul right and so the just the blatant foul hunt and a look like hardened obviously he's. He's a king of it but there's also a lot of times because he's so good with a stamp just gets fouled out there. But yeah when when when this unnatural you know fling your arms to the side or fly fly laterally while you shooting three who. You'd never do that so that's not A. That's not a defense a foul. I'll say this you know kind. As far as like will there be are the are the Tony Alands of the world? The Boeing actually had a three point shots. He's a little bit different. But you know Tony Al. He'll ill tell you guys would jump shots. Like is an Indian league anymore. He he got he got out at the right time because I think not necessarily that. There's not a premium on defense. There's more of a premium offense and space killers. Spacing killers aren't going to be able to exist in the being. I don't think it's hard for a playoff team. Have a guy who can't shoot because when you get into the playoffs situation they just don't they don't guard them and it becomes four and five if you can't shoot bed or be elite finisher you better give that vertical space whether it's you know. Janas obviously just complete freak where he can do it. You know dive into the basket cutting or just creating on his own but you least better be as a big man. If you can't shoot threes you better be dominant finisher right and you know it's interesting to me with people. They want him to shoot threes. They're encouraging him to shoot them. He shoots them. He doesn't shoot a high percentage. And you know what's going to happen in the postseason if he's out there and they're trying to stretch the floor by bringing them out there. Everybody's going to back off. I'm like they do all the other players that can't shoot and they're gonNA dare them to take. Can I the next? Yes Andrew. I just wanted to present one counterpoint. To defensive player is going obsolete is if you are a rookie or a prospect that falls outside of the lottery and you go to a good team like Matisse table. Yes pretty clear way to for a defensive specialist to stay in the League well agency and the best way the best way to stay in league and get paid a ton of money is to work on just catch and shoot catch and shoot catch and shoot you know. And if he's a thirty five percent catch and Shoot Guy. You can see the best way to stay in. The League is to be six seven and be able to switch on done biggs and smiles. That's right if you're six foot seven and you can you can pick up a point guard on a switch or you can hold your own with a with a six ten or seven footer on a switch and I don't mean shut them down but hold your own. You can shoot thirty three percent on threes or even thirty percent on threes and you will stay in the league. That's what you gotta be right but you know doling finished miss that guy. He'd never shot better like thirty one percents from three last year restricted free agent not much market forum signs of three or twelve million dollar deal suddenly thirty seven thirty eight percent from three. Every Scott I talk to mavericks game talks about what a great bargain is. Look there's always there's always a place for a guy like a Marcus smart. Who's not six seven? Who's probably closer to six two six seven six two? Yeah tough he takes charges. He dived after loose balls. His the players respond to He's a he's a natural born leader. There's always going to be in many ways. A smart is the graduated version of Tony Allen Allen Oklahoma state but I will say this Marcus. Smart as a top five draft pick Sort of become a grinder. I mean that's the guy who is a major talent and he's also he's got playmaking skills on looking up is three point and he's you know he's become six really last season thirty five. This season like as a league absolutely point shooter. He is a total stud. You don't know I listen. He's he's the most popular guy in Boston. There's he's the most popular Celtics player. I was GONNA say maybe no Taboo Celtics. I mean they love Jason Tatum but like it. Marcus smart's guy everybody just like a doors. You know always many smaller earlier this season when people were trying to figure out the Celtics get into into various trade packages and they were like okay. Well you use Marcus smart and I go. No no no no mortgage smart will not be treated. He's probably the last. They may be tatum as a has a higher value in the organization but short of that. Marcus smart is is the Celtics but I think they're always if you the the next I don't know what the next innovation and the I wish I could tell you. I wish I wish I could tell you what the next special defense is going to happen. But the will happen with the defenses that will force the offense yeah. I don't know why it's happened. But it's the nature of the League and if you can defend especially on ball And in in various guys in size you can still make it as a defensive specialist for sure all right well Jackie Tim. Thank you so much night. We'll gentleman who collective we will talk to you over the weekend or next week. Stay safe and thank you again.

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NBA Draft Breakdown

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NBA Draft Breakdown

"Wow. Wow. Wow. All the. Wow. Log with this battle page. Let's go. How bro? Great guys. I love what? Dia Gobber with you most. Did he get you with it? You expecting. I mean, he knew he was taking number one for the last year two years. And those tears good tears not even normal teams. Zion tears tears are off the charts with their explosiveness what now New Orleans David Griffin. Here's his answer. This is not somebody who's supposed to be the savior of this franchise. That's not what this is this is a nineteen year old kid, who's going to spend this year learning how to play winning NBA basketball. Not the savior of the franchise me. What do you think Griffin saying that what was your first impression of Zion? I can't even watch that footage again. I'll start crying all over again. Taylor, who was excellent. I think it's Dame Griffin's of setting expectations. By the way, there's one thing I learned about Zion while reporting on during college, he does not need someone to set expectations for him. He has the mental toughness and the social IQ to walk into a locker room deference to the veterans lead a team. I also think though, it's way of almost slightly saying he doesn't need to be our savior, because we're not going to handle him the way Anthony Davis was at times managed during his career in New Orleans. We're going to build around him. We're going to maximize the return get those picks get that cap space last night. Get some shooting. This is the beginning of something special in New Orleans, and I think Griffin manage. Did you hear David Griffin last night? Good points, be hope I have some, too, but I think that they hit already preplanned saying that. So they could lessen the pressure on him. They don't want it to be like Davis was where everything was about Anthony Davis. And I think he can. Be franchised, saver and a franchise changer because Katrina left New Orleans pelicans, even this far away from that event. In a position where they're still continual talk about they don't draw well that they could move to another city. I think he can be the guy though. That's the attraction Donald attraction fans, but attraction other players. And when you look at that roster now after what happened last night, they got fourteen players that are twenty four under this is a team that's on the Bill. That's approach it this way is Gutierrez. The pelicans had the number one big recently. They hit with that number one pick, a top five ten player in the NBA. And it didn't lead to lasting success. Do you think Zion can, yes? And here's what I love about design Williams, experience, Williamson experience, so far is it's almost like LeBron except personally and basketball wise different in that. He's not a finished product. He has so much room yet to grow. We don't know if he's going to be a new age five. Or the biggest small forward you've ever seen. We still don't have any idea. And if you look at him going into Dookie, was the third best prospect on that team supposedly, we're just finding out how good is going to be, and it just feels like sort of a unified thing. Hey, let's go into gather with this guy who's not a big time ego guy. And let's learn and build together. And I think that's what's gonna really Jackie MacMullan. I love David Griffin. He's done an amazing job at the New Orleans pelicans. But shun. Nanna. Gan's shun. Nanna nanograms, of course he's going to be the savior of this franchise. That's exactly what they hope. You'll be that's exactly what he wants to be. That's what the community is hoping he will be. And it's wonderful that David Griffin has built this team around him. And believe me, he's not done yet with the cap space. They have Tony. It's very, very likely he's going to add a really savvy veteran to that group that's going to be great in the locker room for who's going to be the youngest team NBA history. Just back to I love the way you said, it's social IQ is what you call it. I read your article Zayn Williamson, your I, quote is from a former poetry teacher of his, which I've never read in any draft review in my life. Can you just expound a little bit on the social IQ as you call it share a lot of his fellow Duke alum? JJ Radic was quite the poet in his as well. But yes, speaking of players being in touch with their emotions and knowing how to operate in a locker room. Right. Because that Duke locker room that could have blown up, you had bunch of stars. Barry was supposed to be number one, and it worked perfectly you saw them rooting for each other last night, I think, from the team perspective that's something to be excited for, as well as pertains design on not just his basketball, big taking. It was last night to have those emotions so readily available as he's drafted number one incredible. Number two number three. Let's talk about that. John Moran, RJ Barrett, as expected job, Randstad, Pomeranz stole the show and RJ barrack won the crowd and press conference, gut reaction is real, good, tears, which picked means more for the franchise and which will be better. Well, this is nothing against RJ Barrett. But the Knicks have higher expectations from this off season. Then getting a guy who could be good, right? They're supposed to have all this space and get all these veterans who are worth it and win. Now John Moran brings an excitement to Memphis. I don't think they've ever had. They've been good. But have they been that fun team? This could be sort of Vince Carter affect for the grizzlies, I really do. I like what he means to that franchise over Carter affect Israel says Jackie is that how you see with Miranda in Memphis? Well, I'm gonna push back on Israel. Did I think it was pretty fun? When Mike Conley and Markelle solitaire in them to the Western Conference finals. I thought that it was. Maybe that's what you mean. Yeah. Zach Zibo exactly. So I think the reason it's so important gem, because you moved on from Mike Conley and talk about giving a young player grand grand endorsement, and also talk about the pressure that may come along with that because you've just trade away, one of the most favourite sons ever in franchise history times. I want to go to first because I'm going to vastly more enjoy, watching the grizzlies this year. No offense to RJ. It's not his fault, but also because junkie reference to grind era. This feels like a philosophical change. Right. The grizzlies are no longer the same grizzlies, and I love the pairing of John Jaren. Jackson Johnson elite playmaker, but he's still developing shooter defender. So pairing him with elite stretch big like Jackson. I think is excellent. Excellent. They're not gonna tend to mmediately but the bones are urge. Well, I totally support my hope down city, but I gotta go with Barrett. In this case, he is the one guy that they could get in there that will help them lower those so Memphis going younger New York has got to get those free agents to be back. I'll relevant team again and Barrett's guy that can show the way. They're okay they've got an asset that is really critical. I mean, a guy that was fifth all-time and insead division one scoring. They've got an asset. You know, moody moody was drafted by the nuggets. He's not a real asset. He's going to be a free agent. So they've got if they're gonna get Durant, if they're going to get Irving, if they're going to get anybody. They gotta show that they're doing something other than having an owner who doesn't know what he's doing. So I think Barrett is more important. RJ Barrett and the Knicks. Well, let's just remember this the first the draft pick, and I can't remember how long that wasn't booed wasn't. No. But, but he embraced the crowd early who said this is where I wanted to play. I'm not going to work out for anyone of Leeson the tabloids. If you win the press conference doesn't mean a lot in the in the Windsor laws, Collins, other picks that you guys love. What do you search you let me leave the witness here? Your nuggets praising bowl bowl at forty four bull bull thought to be a top five pick this time last year, he dropped forty picks heard of that before would he give us a review of the nuggets and bowl? Really? It was just a few years ago. They picked a guy who was forty. I bowl was forty four and that guy turned into a great center, who is on the all NBA team. We're talking about Yokich last year. Michael poor junior slipped from the top five. He went at fourteen. They're expecting him to now that he's recovered from that play in the summer league, and be power player this year for the nuggets fit into a role for them. So I think they followed that up by going after a guy as you said that was top rated only played nine games. And the thing about it is he is a to Yokich the point that he is a shot blocker, and a major rebounder, and that's not really the strength of, of Yokich. So I think he's going to be the people questioned his health. Well, he's totally healthy now. So as you love is Bulbul something, you want to expound on, I mean, I like the bulb all pick for them. It takes a lot of pressure off of him actually, if he drops that far. And that's not great for him. Not to say it's the best option for him. But with Denver they're such a unique team. Because of Yokich, it's they can put him at the four meaning Bobo the four or the five dressed, floor, let them somehow play around that group and not really put a whole lot of pressure on him. He can run the floor. Well to they do that a lot in Denver. So I like where he landed. It's just unfortunate. He had and Jackie MAC. Well, both as the only painless covered Mobile's father in college at the university of Bridgeport, I can tell you, one of those problem is he has the same stubborn and says his dad, and it hurt him in this strap. But the bigger problem Israel will tell you is that foot stress fracture and a foot for a guy that size. That's one of the reasons people back of stubborness. Jackie not, you know, didn't say anything, the Celtics they are committing to taking picks then trading for more draft picks. Can you review the Celtics evening dress? Well I mean they had a pretty tough week Davis goes to LA. They lose their best veterans Aaron Baynes out the door, Marcus Morris next. So they don't wanna have to pay all these draft picks Tony, and that's why you saw them trade out and trade down out, because they don't want to have to pay. All three the to the have to do something your daddy. They have you know what's funny. They have a ton of cap space. So this is a to be continued. They have almost twenty six million, I think, in space, and if they renounce Terry Rozier, which, I don't think they will they can get up to thirty four million. So they're going to go for a big free agent. That's what they have to some other store lines. We could talk about here a pick. The team knows nothing about let's about that. The wizards drafted, we Laura without work out or medium, or talking to them. That's more full Ben MC wizard. Interim GM Tommy Sheppard said they've been stalking in for years. Right. Does that happen in normal team to stop for not off? Normal is a strong word, but it definitely happens, whether you scout the guy and you don't feel the need to bring them in, especially if you're drafting low lottery or would have your maybe you have a couple of options here, but the thing that makes me laugh about this when they were so many critics about him saying, oh, that's terrible. Because of this, and this, and that he was projected lottery, pick and they're drafting him at number nine, it wasn't that bad of pick, if he was the projected lottery pick. And the other thing is if scouts tell me or anybody who's critical of a pig. Tell me, oh his defense needs a lot of work. Well, look, I'm not going to be overly critical of that because you learn that stuff in the NBA as long as he has the ability. So overall, I think way too much pick. Jackie say it's common as well. Right for teams nut to have taught. Okay. So we'll move on that. Maybe maybe the wizards who currently. Gee, maybe they're being unfairly, at least spotlight here. We'll move on the hats. Let's talk about that hats on players who've been trained. Let me lead the witness again, again, Meena, what is the NBA doing allowing players walkout teams are never gonna play. I don't know it. It's ridiculous. I mean, the real solution is they should just move up free agency, but they could at least just give them the hats of the team. They know they're going to cause a likely that they're going to actually end up on that team is significantly greater doesn't really make any sense. I don't really the logic behind it. Well, what did give us a great idea just giving jerseys instead like instead of the hats? Anyway, they don't they don't. The NBA J very much what he NBA had given MBA jersey. All right. Maybe or maybe just don't do this, maybe later. We'll break now for drift. You can't have draft that's still technically in the previous calendar year of the leave, and then they now the new year starts if you're defecates you're hungry. On your doesn't make I love how much emotion players were showing that I'd say before for young men to show this much emotion, Toby, why wondering cavern joslin went look at him. Look at how about this Jordans Jordan bone, Tennessee, Woody, your his party. This is his brother. Was about to tell all the people in the room, they're family. Thank you for supporting. But we didn't get drafted. Fifty seven. Incredible. I love how generation of human shows emotion. Around the horn is brought to you by discover we treat you like you treat you. Round. The horn brought to you by checks coming to you from the seaport district here. Seventeen. Kevin durant. Multiple reports here that he soul-searching warriors Knicks nets in play. And that may be the warriors would be open to a sign and trade. Jackie overdue could Assad in trade, beyond the horizon, you. Well, you know what is way of if Durant's really leaving, it's a way of to say, hey, thanks for the support during this very difficult time. It does make a little bit of sense. I still feel like he's going to go and gold stick at something in return, everybody wins. Would that treat happy would it happen this summer, would it happen? Six months from now. When contractually things open up a little bit in the NBA. Who knows? I mean, this is uncharted territory is real. At to me, it's kind of risky when you consider. Hey, if you have an agreement with a team, let's say, and then something goes wrong with k D's rehab. Do they pulled back on then it also is kind of telling from the warriors perspective? This is already getting out there, and they're thinking that Katie was going to be gone anyway. So I think the public opinion is pretty hanging out the door. I think it's a great idea. And I wish I thought of it because the warriors could get a couple of bitch players for them too, because the issues, they had with their bitch players and do him a favor. He came their one-two MVP's. And we saw what happened the playoffs, and he'd get an extra fifty seven million dollars. That would be nice party gift to do at the summer. I agree with Woody. It does sound like a win win. You could argue if Katie had been healthy wouldn't have wanted a contract that long to hit free agency again given the severity of the injury. How hard it is to come back from you thinking might gopher, it bars, Phil to USA to Sweden, nothing USA eighteen group. F nothing what did you learn from the first age group stage of the women's World Cup and TV attacked? Think we learned that the US is who we thought they were the most dominant team. Yes. Obviously. Thailand. And Chile were not the strongest competition. We didn't enroll out the starters, but you can only play the teams in front of you. And boy, did they play them. Three comes out with his junior varsity plays against the US starters. I don't know that we learn as much as meaning says, because they've got a group ahead of them in the in the kale round where they're gonna have to probably play Spain England and France. So I think there's still a lot tomorrow about this team in the next round is good here. I'd be concerned about overconfidence in a couple of a couple of reasons. One is a mentioned the teams that they played including Sweden didn't put out its best, but also just the idea. They scored so early and all three of those not that those a lot of pressure on them, but they did score early. If there's a long period of time they go into maybe halftime without a goal against he's tough proponents. Maybe they got a little nervous and Jackie MEC. Gee, I just don't see that as you'll the thing that I've learned his how deep they are. I mean Alex mortgage spanked up Carli Lloyd comes out to start the second half like Carli Lloyd is one of the best players in the world. Still, I know she's older and she's can't even crack the starting lineup this US. What are you talking about some of those other strong teams they'll have to go through France and England and Germany is on the other side possible? Second best team in the world. Might be is reserve team. Move on higher sell three Bryce Harper leadoff, hitter one for five last night. This slump continued gave Kappler city did it to spark the team not offer. Phillies lost losing streak continues. Woody, what do you buy? What are you sound? By that. It's not only to help the team which sits lost mccutchen has the worst batting average in production from their leadoff hitters. But it's also help Harper kind of get him on track because he has been however you go back to small sample last year. Twelve games Leo hitter with nationals. He hit only two seventeen. I don't think it's really gonna work with years. I mean this team is nearly halfway through its schedule and they've been outscored for the season. There has to be something that Bruce this team that jars them in. Why can't it be to boost Bryce Harper? He's the guy he's the one who's supposed to lead you after, you know, the contract that he just signed go ahead and put some pressure on. You think he should leave him by leading off? All right. Jackie MacMullan value. Yeah. By that their pressure is on Bryce Harper. But I also by that at three hundred three hundred thirty million dollars he should play wherever they asked him to play. Thank you should play to positions at once he should offer to clean out the clubhouse after it's over with Bryce Harper can deal this. I'm also buying that Bryce Harper is going to be fine by the. Of this baseball season. Unicom's. How about you? I'm selling the return they've got on him. I have defended him to team has compensated for him up to this point. He is on track to finish with a war that is below the average player. Okay. That is not based on how much they paid him. The team knocked Jackie MacMullan with years. So thank you for sparking mean and Woody Jackie. Israel view, the other showdown time he old school new school. And by all school. I mean one room. Win for what he pays June fourth last win for Miyako April. Fifteenth Mita that is a taxing love Joe doubt, one of your by on these. Yeah. Sure. Live Instagram full. You. Somebody said you got wrong. How about the weather, whether talk with of your bias, we'll uniform Starbucks forty page. Yeah, you're gonna ask him if he really likes Americano. And I'm gonna tell him that whenever I had a date for Dame, take her to Starbucks and I know problem you got jokes. Can you always wanna let that one? It's easy. I just felt his name. Right. Because that would be humiliating to get down the prob, that's the problem you take your Starbucks alert her name, and you get a different name anyway, nobody's getting a point here zero to minus one very competitive banter, speaking of competition, some competitive bench or NBA rap battle, Damian Lillard Marvin Bagley, we can't play the music. We'll get biz more keyed. But we did a few years ago songs in the background told us, we're not a friend but the rats in artwork who's winning Meena. Ooh. That is some great artwork. I listened to both tracks Dame better lyrics. Marvin had better delivery, but I'm actually give it to more of in, because you're Dany Lillard. Don't punch down dude. No. It was Lillard. I mean think about it Marvin. And he took the challenge and then just around and beat him with his own challenge. Okay. Thank you, what he pays. Take the FaceTime, you waited a long time for this. A pity win. I'll take it earlier today. We talked about humor and the strange circumstances. Led him to Washington, but I also wanted to give them a shadow for being the first Japanese player to be drafted in the first round of the NBA draft. We said he wants to be a role model who bi-racial racial kids in Japan mothers, Japanese fathers, from the neen, yet, an awesome jackets, commemorate, the occasion, so shadow to ring even if you ended up in Washington. Flow going Washington's way for me to that's it. Seventy one half hour break.

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Should we expect an MVP Game three versus the heat today, we'll discuss that a little later but I. Have to get back to the incredible finished between the Celtics and raptors last night. Boston thought they had the game won when Kemba Walker dropped an absolute dime to Daniel Thais who had the dunk there to give the Celtics a two point lead with a half a second left. But as we all know how this movie ends now you see it there no gina nobody the big shot a perfect pass from Kyle lowry. So Jackie Mac did the raptors snapped back the series momentum after nearly falling behind three games to none I think. So listen the difference between a two one series and three to nothing is everything absolutely everything and this is a Toronto team that by the way wasn't lacking in confidence to begin with. Now you've given them life hope and momentum and I think the Celtics it was it was a miscommunication on a rotation out of the zone defense I. Think people be are green weather they should have been in the zone but communication with these young guys that was the difference lack of communication the Celtics better win this series they'll. They'll be hearing about this game for the rest of the fall. Into Christmas. Yeah. No Jackie's right. Know I was talking with our producer Danny before the show today and I said, sometimes, the series score can obfuscate what the actual intensity the competition is. What I mean by that is you know it was a close game to Toronto had a chance to win the loss you lose you lose a close game three all of a sudden you down three. Oh it sounds like, oh, my God we're nowhere near as good as his team rather than we had an opportunity be up to one ourselves in this series. You get this win. Now you're down to one you're giving yourself an opportunity because if you're gone down three Oh, that's it. The oxygen has left the building. We might as well start packing because as we know, it's never happened in NBA history a team going out three Oh and still winning yeah it would have been one, two, three Cancun or three to one Cancun. However, you want to describe it at that particular point four Toronto let's put that graphic backup though we can real quick. As the tale of the two halves, I thought was interesting and Jackie will start with you. The three point shooting has been pretty poor for Toronto, who is normally a good three-point shooting team They shot twenty three percent in the first half, which was somewhat on par with what they had shot in the first two games at twenty, seven percent through two games. But in that second half, forty, four percent that's more like what we've seen for Toronto, his at least throughout this particular season. Well, and the Celtics have a great three point defense they have throughout the regular season and once they got inside the bubble but great shooters find a way to get open and great shooters eventually get rhythm. Guys who hit a whole bunch of shots they regress back to their means the to me the biggest stat George was in this game was transition points. If the if the Raptors get tradition points, they're gonNA usually have a good chance of winning. It was fourteen to two in fast-break baskets. In this game, it's funny George. Asked about the three pointers I keep thinking about those last two plays a Kimball Walker Pass. Daniel ties and then obviously the lowry pass the Og Anobi I. Think the defense was terrible. I thought that was like a split second thing where you gotta help and you also gotta go out and recover and I thought offenses did a great job of kind of hiding where they were going with it and then getting their guy in the last second and when you look at Oj in Novi put up, he didn't get a nice comfortable catching newt he barely touched the ball. So The buzzer people were questioning second guessing what Brad Stevens or even when Nick nurse did on the other and kind of silly these two great events that got beat by better offense. But to your point, I mean I would say that you know the comfortable catching shoot has been a problem for Toronto in this series uncontested three point shots twenty-seven percent through two games and yesterday they were able to nail a lot of those shots eight-member tested or contested. What did you see that was different though in regards to the three point shooting other than just making it was there anything different? We have a segment on this show George called what it's a maker mislead and what that's talking about a lot of people. What does that mean? What does that mean? It means that when you're talking about the highest caliber shooters in the game where which is what we have, we look at the global basketball playing audience you're talking about sometimes the defense has nothing to do with whether you made or missed the shot and the reality is the best three point defenses in the NBA aren't the ones that hold their opponent to low percentages they're the ones. That don't let the other team, even shoot the three. That's the best three point defense is a lack of attempts not a lack of percentage. All right. Let's move on. Let's shift gears to game one of the nuggets and Clippers series. The game was tied at thirty one after the first quarter but then la outscored by eighteen, the second quarter and really never looked back after that. So I mean was last night's twenty three point blowout more about fatigue for the nuggets coming off a seven game series or just a bad match up here with the clippers. Definitely but fatigue was definitely more in play here and you saw it you saw how they went from the beginning of the game where it's competitive and they're going back and forth, and then the clippers building that separation you sensitive fatigue. You could sense that the weary legs going seven games in a very pressure packed series. By the way, they weren't a whole lot of blow outs where we sat. Our best players for the last fifteen minutes of the game happening in that series between Denver and Utah. So that was a lot of effort is expended not only to come back from three one down. But also within each one of those victories was a hard victory. Meanwhile, the clippers dismissed sitting around resting and waiting. This is definitely more case of fatigue, but also it's not a great match of either. I couldn't agree more I mean and you mentioned the fatigue you mentioned the physical fatigue but I, think there's a great emotional fatigue to after you win a big game seven like that and you don't even have a chance to enjoy it because within hours you're already in the film room looking over the clippers and how can we stop Kawhi Leonard which is by the way you can't that's in the answer. So I. Think, I think the emotional fatigue has as much to do with it as a physical fatigue and Jomar was asked to do lots of his three but I just keep looking at Yokich, I keep looking at Yokich there the nuggets at their best not when Mari scores fifty although that was really fun but it's when the two of them running their picking role to perfection. That's when they have a chance at being the best. I do think the fatigue part is you mentioned Jackie. Both physical and emotional plate apart and nothing was a better example of that Ben in the post game interview after game seven. This is when I knew the nuggets were in trouble for Gabe one. Here's Jamal Murray with Scott Van Pelt. Between now and Thursday, what do you do? We think Thursday. Right there, that's what I knew. Oh baby a tough one for a the nuggets against the Clippers Jackie. Not. Fair enough fair enough. Shot. Genuinely like pardon me. What will you say that? Excuse him what Coming up next Steve Nash is hiring as the new head coach of the Knicks sent shock waves through the league but is he ultimately the right coach Katy and Arri and the rest of that Brooklyn Roster. Discuss this after a quick break. The Jones is brought to you by Michelob Ultra get your michelob ultra court tickets by tweeting Hashtag ultra courtside. Goodyear knows why we all love basketball. It's the sound of the Buzzer, the roar of the crowd, the Swish of the net it's the spin on the ball as it's released the squeaking sneakers before an inbound pass. 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He's active maybe he's the missing. Boston for this whole time Jackie they're big fans of his yet the big. Well. Yes. I think it was just earlier in the year he had trouble with some of the defensive rotations George I think he's got that down now obviously a super big athletic lively bodies they need that. Next Miss Hope. Collide drop the easy twenty, nine points on twelve of sixteen shooting. You pretty much got any shoddy wanted here. Jackie is it time to just double Kawai? If you're the Denver Nuggets, maybe triple them. Listen I every time. I asked coaches about double team. They say you can't double team great players anymore because they have great court vision. They'll make you pay. You know what don't tell them all the time but I'm still gonNA take my chances get the ball out of Tom. Habits. tweeted this stat today that. Eighty percent in the playoffs. That's right. Lady Gentleman Eighty Percent Andrea will go from ten to fourteen feet. That's around that free throw line area. Yeah I think hoping abandoned at this point. Yeah. Pretty wild eighty that is just mind boggling number. Yeah. That's wild. Make Pain. Brad wanamaker goes baseline here. and. He Catches Kyle lowry below the belt with a high knee. After the game lower said quote, obviously I have balls of steel. Amine and Impressed by his toughness. Yeah like. You wearing let's All Old I. Just wait. I've got word right now Oklahoma City wants a wire Brad wanamaker Chris Paul wants another study. Oh. I very rarely feel out of my element when I'm talking about MDA stuff when it comes to balls of steals I'm sorry I must defer no problem. Totally understood I must defer miss panic. For. The fourth time in the bubble Kemba hit a buzzer beater at the end of quarter. Jackie. How is he doing this? It's incredible. You, know Kim we're told me once he was so small growing up. He had to learn that quick crossover and that great step back and by doing. So it got him the separation. He needs to hit big shots. He does this in his sleep. This is nothing new for nothing new, and again, if not for an og on an OB player, we're talking about that Kemba Walker look away passing Daniel Tights for the game. Yeah, he is incredible down the stretch of games. He's been that way really since we I laid eyes on them in college for sure. Next may since Rice High School? Well, that's true. Excellent point make denials offensively N. P. J. as looked impressive in the bubble but last night he tried to dunk on Trez any just didn't know. So well, I mean Puerto Junior finally getting his welcome to the NBA moment here. Yeah after the last couple of quick Nice Games in the bubble he's come back down to Earth. He's realizing Oh when I started to play every day and have a scouting report and they're not GonNa let me get shots and it's not as easy as I thought. So that's why I always say preaching patients with Mike reported union he's going to be great one day that is not today. And you know what can we just give them a little slack think about the arduous journey he's been through was not part of the rotation cons in plays in some ballgame everyone now notices him and they've got all the is on them. I'm giving this kid of pass. With Jack Myself I think I think you could be both right. I Would Jackie more on this but look Michael Porter Jr. for the Denver Nuggets to take that leap, we expect them to take. It's going to be a lot on Michael Porter Jr., shoulders particularly offensively moving forward. So but let's move forward ourselves with some news outside of the NBA bubble on Thursday the nets signed two time MVP Steve Nash has their new head coach. This was a surprise move given the national doesn't have any previous head coaching experience and. They're very high expectations for this team next season. So I mean you work with the suns during the Nash Era. Do you think that he's the right coach for this particular Brooklyn Nets team? Not. Just the natural but shaw marks with us for two years too. So I know both of these guys pretty well. He's definitely brings attributes and traits that I think are unique to the situation. So the XS and Os are beyond question. He's one of the greatest basketball minds we've ever had in his game and what separates them from a lot of other great players. He's got a great way of verbalizing it of making things simple so that people can understand and see what he sees. A lot of eight players don't have that trade, but the other part I think this is the thing that's going to separate him pretty much everyone the other coaching candidates. Div? Nash is a different Dude. He's got interest outside of basketball. This game is not his life. He's not confined in a box and we McKinnon drank kyrie irving to superstars who pride themselves on being different dude on the WHO fashion themselves intellectuals as having interest outside of basketball. That's why Steve is the right guy for the job the nose you can argue one way or another but the ability to connect with someone who's just very different from your standard average MBA player even NBA star, that's the part that's going to make a difference. And here's the thing. Does it matter whether we think he's the right guy for the job I hate to break it to all of us know it doesn't what matters is Kyrie actually in this order does K., D. and Kyrie can they agree that he's the right man for the job and Sean Marks knows him has has history with him. All of this makes sense to me I. I can't help but compare Steve Nash to Steve Kerr the man he's been consulting with the Golden State Warriors and and we knows very well because I the man you just described to me I think that fit Steve Kerr's description. As well, another guy who came in without coaching experience although I guess Steve This was probably a little better player. We give them that by the way on that point Jordan I, want to jump in here I understand what Stephen a Smith was saying yesterday, and there is a conversation that needs to be had about race and hiring practices in this league and really across the country. However, in this game in basketball, we have traditionally given superstars the Disneyland fast past to cut the line we did it for magic for the President Job. We did it for Jason Kidd for the coaching job in Brooklyn, we did it flies. Come coming. Taking over the Toronto Raptors we've done it time that we did it for Larry Bird Going Indiana, we've done it time and time again, and that's the thank you that we give to the superstars are game is built on them. The only reason any of us have job is because superstars make this game possible. So speaking as someone who worked in the League and had to go along route starting an intern. And video coordinator et Cetera et CETERA working my way up I understand the superstars don't have to take that path you know why? Because they already did it when they carry this league on their shoulders well, and to that point I, do think the relationship part of this matters you guys alluded to right and there is a strong bond there particularly as Jackie mentioned between K. D. and Steve Nash. Right me. Absolutely you know people say Steve Has No coaching experience that's false. He's been in Golden State. He worked with guys on the four guys in the film room specifically, Kevin Durant. If you've ever been warriors game and you've seen Kevin Durant do weird kind warm upshots where he does a squad on one leg comes back up and shoots it without ever putting the other like down. Those are all from the Steve Nash up stuff. This is all things that Kevin Durant at the top of his game and MVP a files. MVP. Looked at the United said, you can teach me more and that's such. A huge part about this is that the idea that these players like Jackie said? Durant and the Kyri look at Steve Nash as someone who can teach them more not just a caretaker not a guy puts them in the right position someone who can teach them more about the secrets of this game, and ultimately that's what it's about. It's that respect back their one last thing when people talk about player empowerment, this is player empowerment. Getting what you want as a viewer or broadcaster or a former player. It's what these players want. This is player empowerment in basically manifesting itself. I think too. It's important dimension here that Sean marks really liked Jacques von really wanted if he couldn't get Steve Nash to give Jacques Bond. This head coaching job Jacques von remains on the staff and I can tell you I. Remember when Larry Bird took over that job that you mentioned I mean he wanted Rick Carlisle `biocyte someone that and do. People that had been there before veteran coaches and Jacques von has been a head coach on two different occasions and so he's going to be very valuable. The Steve Nash and it's smart to keep them there and John Von has become the highest paid assistant. Now after this hiring of Steve Nash Jackie One question about Kyrie we've spent a number of minutes you're talking about the relationship with Kevin Durant and Steve Nash can he forge a relationship with? Kyrie what needs to happen for him to forge a relationship with Kyrie that maybe some other coaches haven't been able to forge with him? Well. He's already at if distinct advantage because Kyrie cares about ballers and Steve. Nash was a two time MVP. Slam Dunk. Hall of Famer and Calgary is a student of the game. He knows that I'm sure he's watched film with Steve Nash Steve Nash has already years ahead of coaches that he's had that didn't play. Now I think it can be a great coach without playing the game. We have plenty of evidence of that, but it doesn't matter what I think. It matters what Kyrie things. All right let's. Every every player that runs pick and role in this league as what Steve Nash State every pick and roll point gardeners league has watched the national. League. Let's move on here. Here's what the jump recommends for today Zach Lowe, our buddy writes about the massive opportunity that James Harden has against the Lakers to rewrite. He's entire postseason reputation head over to the ESPN APP to read it during this quick break because. We're going to be breaking down that series coming up next. A? Only. 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Arrested Lakers team. So what are you anticipating about that match up? Had I. Ask. Magic. Tonight Game One of the Western Conference semi's between the rockets and Lakers at nine eastern six Pacific on ESPN ESPN reporters and the ESPN APP. Welcome back to the jump mean and Jackie Max still this year, we're only five hours and change away from tip off between the Houston Rockets in the Los Angeles Lakers and the Lakers haven't played since Saturday. Meanwhile, the rockets just forty eight hours to regroup after being taken to the brink by the okay. See Thunder in seven games slugfest Jackie are you more or less confident in the rockets after their play in the first round? Well. There's one portion of the rockets that I'm much more confident about, and that's their defense. George, who would have guessed that Houston Rockets would be the answer to the question who had the best defensive rating in a series in the bubble so far that was the answer for the Houston Rockets. I still have some concerns about James Harden and for that matter Russell Westbrook in terms of how they manage a in crunch time can close the deal you know Zach Lowe has a wonderful story about Hardin on our site today. One of the things he talked about was elimination gains. James Harden those games averaged over five turnovers. A game people are so focused on his shooting. I'm more focused on. Can you take care of the ball for both of those guys? The doors. Were Jackie said is absolutely correct. Defensively they've been fantastic and they've managed to play bigger than what their size is a now. Two different ways against the Lakers on the one hand. Anthony. Davis is way more talented than Stephen Adams. So stopping him as a lot harder on the other hand, we've seen Anthony Davis kind of fall in love with his mid range mid post game and that kind of plays into what Houston wants to do defensively. So I think one of the things for the Lakers is ability to maintain identity. I. Think that's the latest battle. The series is going to be who is going to be able to impose their identity on the face of this series more. JERE point mean Anthony. Davis needs to be the best big man on the floor and he may be the only big man on the floor, which is something. He's been reluctant to do at times I. Think in this series, it's more important than ever to be able to take advantage of his sizes, athleticism strength and all of the gifts that he has. A but I'll ask you this because this is something you and I have discussed even recently on my radio show in la about the Lakers potential struggles against teams that liked to play four and five out what are your thoughts on this matchup 'cause they're definitely going to be five guys around the perimeter. How do the Lakers stack up in that regard? Yeah that's imposing of identity thing. I was talking about the idea ideas that if you look at the Lakers, the games loss or were close losses for them during the regular season particularly. From marching before is any team that spread the floor, any team that had five guys on the perimeter in the big three point shooter or their big was a guy who initiates a lot of offense from the top when they did that the Lakers really struggled they didn't want their bigs don't want to leave the paint couldn't play really the I out or They're forced to play Anthony Davis at the five is a position. He doesn't quite like and when they go small like that with Davis at the five and. Four they got played a bunch of times by some of these smaller teams. So if Houston is able to trick the Lakers into playing small to matching up with them, then I think Houston has the upper hand. However, if the Lakers can maintain their identity, we know we're going to play basketball the way it's always been played with two bigs on the floor. Then I, think they've got a great advantage over the rocket Jackie. You mentioned Zach Lowe's article on harden and the kind of the huge opportunity to kind of change the narrative and potentially take down the broad and the Lakers and companies. So what version of hardened do you expect to see in this series? Well. It's got to be the hardened that scores Twenty eight, thirty, one points a game they need that from him but I do think it's interesting. Would mean is discussing here in terms of whether frank foldable blink and stick with his regular line of which gets developed the game minutes into Howard minutes and those guys or if he does go small. So that's why even we talk a lot about harden and Westbrook the guy we should really be. Full on in this series is Pizza Tucker. He's the one that's going to be trying to guard Anthony Davis and and we know he gives up sighs and all that. But PJ Tucker's proven to be very resilient in this role. Since they've gone small ball, he's been a very central part to them. He benefited the most anybody from this pandemic because he was exhausted before we stopped play and now he's rested up and ready to take on these. X. Factor name the guy you know very well Jeff Green he's been playing lights out his ability at six, nine, two plans a big but shoot threes as well as he has, that's a game changer for the rockets as well. All right coming Jeff Green has had I. I can't count how many place or I'm sorry George. We have a little delay what I was just going to say that Jeff Green. I he's played I can't count how many teams he's played for and I get teased every time I mean I think this is it oh my gosh, he's Back. Hey Hey I, Love Jeff. Green. Personal and. You and everyone else in the NBA Kennedy. Jeff Green's a wonderful person. Yeah. But I do think that he may have found himself a nice home in in this particular on this particular team for sure. All right. 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Take another dribble ANTHRO Zita. Businesses. Go. Lamelo ball is the most famous player in the. NBA draft who wants to end up. But he also remains. Its biggest mystery. Eighteen experience a bit high would not want. Mellow ball is in the conversation for being the first pick. NBA draft hated high school athlete of all Sunshine and say they want to edit says laundryman it'd be number one. NBA? Number one peaking the NBA. Out Say. Okay good. Now lamelo ball is setting out to prove his talent. Measures up to his fame. Turnaround. Look profile. As. I'm Tim Cuban and this is ESPN covers story. Job One hand. Go. To haircut cut. Behind Yes Hor. Go. I ask your dad what would have happened if one of his sons had said dad? I don't WanNa play basketball when I want to be a veterinarian, what do you think his response was? He would elect. You'd like Danielle is and just laugh for. Like that here. So she talking about. What as could you tell mellow is built for this as before he came. Put together a plan and been working on ever since been born. Chino hills high. School in California. lamelo became obvious during an undefeated freshman season. And with three marketable brothers. In. A media savvy father. The big baller brand was born. Definitely the brand is me, you know like something I had in the past. High. School stuff I never forget. Stuff I love. But that shoe called into question. Lamelo. College eligibility. His father. Solution. A move abroad to Lithuania. where. Age. Sixteen lamelo became the youngest American ever to play professionally what do you want to get accomplished while you're? just to get better in this game to play basketball. There's no part of you that when you look at college basketball or High School Prom or any of that stuff that you felt you missed out I allow and I even went to Prom. Never was the type to go to stuff like that pretty much tomorrow. Dan. As a young kid always move my pops it. You WanNa be the best you gotTA sacrifice. That's why I feel like I'm numb to stuff. Lamelo was playing against grown men in a foreign land. Struggled for. Playing time. Averaging, just six points. And two assists in eight games. was his worth. This crash and burn. For Lamelo, it wasn't very good. One former team distract him as lazy and arrogant wasn't really engaged. Lithuania I learned a lot over like you don't really need nobody man like soon as you do it yourself, you don't really matter nobody else. Say you know people's Opinions Not GonNa Affect You Next stop on the global journey. Australia. For the first time without his father by his side, Lamelo set out to silence critics and build an NBA resume. He went from five eleven. I was playing with them about six. Him going over there and having his own team out think that's helped him grow. Playing on his own terms. Lamelo caught the eye of NBA Scouts. Despite playing just twelve games in February he was named Australia's NBA rookie of the year. I never lacked confidence i. Felt like I was born with it. You know. All these philosophers do anything. Take that. Let's go slams ten landfill. Don't. Want Baseline. This unconventional global journey is expected to end with Lamelo, becoming the second ball brothers chosen in the top five picks. Eighteen years. He had the style of play to where he don't to play like every other point guard. He gotTa style play this so unique where he makes everybody don't. Wants draft if. Lamelo Ball knows his game will finally have to speak for itself. He didn't take the traditional route. So everybody is seen him even tell through the highlights he's definitely a special talent. As you look back on all these years striving to get to this point. How does it feel now? Phil Amazing. Man. You know looking back on the work you did. A. Graphic. My Life Start. It's not like you get into the League in there. Are. Made. Now finally started. Great thing about facts they're proven. 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Then it's bucks, Heat Game For the countdown crews back at a get you ready for game two of the West semi's between the rockets and the Lakers. It's crunch time here on the jump John Rant was named rookie of the year Thursday you're ninety nine out of one hundred First Place Votes Zion was a top that one still anonymous ballot. Josh said in response to that one voter I, want to shoot them a direct message and thank them for giving me motivation. The Grizzlies twitter account wasn't as gracious posting good morning to everyone except that one out of one hundred, you know you are. Jackie is it as preposterous to believe that Zion was the top rookies? This season is preposterous. Let me just tell you I m one of those voters and is shaggy says it wasn't me? John. I'm just being real with you, but here's the thing. Zion is tremendous. He captured all of our attention, but he played twenty four games and meanwhile John Maria played a full season average eighteen points seven plus assists was fantastic for a young Memphis Grizzlies team. I don't understand the Jackie he was to me was the obvious. Scared I. Love. My ballot altogether, your but nothing got mixed up there. All right. Well, we'll move on. We've been seeing great video the players families during Games showing their support. The League sent a list of guidelines teams outlining what? Is Not allowed inside the bubble and during games amine should we expect everyone to be on their best behavior in the bubble? Yes with the caveat that sometimes people emotions kind of rise up in these moments and they might yell something. But I think for the most part is not going to be anything because everybody knows the deal everyone knows also you can be removed and and had those privileges revoked. I'm I'M GONNA. Tell You I've been trying to figure out what is the worst job in the bubble and I know what it is. It's the players guest liaison this in charge of all these families to make sure they do everything they're supposed to do to not go places or not supposed to go to not have their kids run onto the court. To not yell at one another do not to get mad at the rest you know something's going to happen come on which human nature it's only yep it's emotions and they run wild sometimes for sure. Hey, let's take a second here to talk about he'd head coach Erik Spoelstra. He's currently tied for the second longest tenured coach in the NBA with record. Lila Dallas and behind Gregg Popovich is at the top amongst those in the NBA Community Spos- widely considered a top five coach of the game. However to casual fans, the echoes have been out there about his success mostly coming when he coached Lebron weight and Bosh because there's so many examples of winning without superstars nonetheless over the last years since his last. Finals Appearance Basketball Aficionados have seen him get the most out of his rosters that have left a lot to be desired at times. Then came this season and these playoffs. Pat Riley found SPO- A top fifteen player to be the leader of his team and Jimmy. Butler. Butler known to test his teammates and coaches alike tried that with bolster during training camp. After that, then Butler went back to his associates and said quote, he's the best coach. I've ever had from there on starring coach fully aligned between sponsors, incredible acumen and the Heat's development program in in some sure deals, Miami found itself outperforming expectations. Again, let's not forget of all the coaches that have coached at least a hundred playoff games in NBA History Erik. Spoelstra has the fourth best winning percentage behind Steve Kirk Phil, Jackson and Billy. Cunningham. That includes a better winning percentage than his mentor Pat Riley. Also. We saw Jimmy Butler Taylor Rachel Nichols. Recently that he believes they can win a championship. His coach also believes that. That's the standard. He helped create again, Star and coached fully aligned fast forward to today we're Miami has a two old lead on the best team in the League and they've made the reigning MVP look mortal. It's no surprise in Miami simply because if you're sleeping on SPO-, you just don't know. Switching gears to the other side Jaanus is widely expected to be named MVP for the second straight season but. He might have the dubious honor of accepting the MVP after getting bounced out of the playoffs. If you can't bring the bucks down from a two deficit Jackie, do you expect to see an MVP performance from Janas in game three tonight? I do and I think Jaanus is prepared to do that I. Think you'll see him play big minutes. I know that Mike was a little careful with him I. Don't think that'll happen I. Think. is going to go out and play forty plus minutes. But here's the one problem that Janas has and I've always said this about great big man he's not the guy that can rely on getting his own shot. Someone has to get him the ball and that's why he needs help from his team-mates. You can't double and triple triple team Jaanus if other players on the quarter hitting shots to make you pay for that so I think it's a little unfair to put it all on Janos even though I know that's how it works in our climate. I don't I think that this is going to perform well, but he needs the other guys to perform with them or it won't matter. George. The first of all didn't you have MVP performance in Game Two twenty nine points innovative from the field fourteen rebounds and a foul away from winning the game. One game we talked about Janas game we wouldn't but the reality is life isn't easy for him because the Miami difficult and that's a lot of it has to do with how what is using him gotta use them on the wing got to get him off the ball. He can't just dribble up in ball is way through these guys because Miami's too good and they've got four guys all six, eight, six, nine, and strongest heck that can move as quick as as Jimmy Butler in out of Bio Day crowder, and of course, Andre Dollar we only have about thirty seconds left here in the show. I'm sorry Jackie would I would I would add to this. He's got to play more to thirty six minutes isn't enough Jackie. And they will play more but the thing about the bucks it's this is just a nightmare matchup for them play the Miami Heat because we know about the box was they basically didn't bother to guard the three point line they sort of made that one of their concessions and as you know, the Miami Heat thirty percent shooting from the three point line all year, this just a bad match up for the Bucks Jackie Back Hall of Famer. Thank you so much. Thank you as well. We are at a time for this week the jump returns Monday at three eastern on ESPN have a great weekend see. Did you know GEICO's now offering an extra fifteen percent credit on car and motorcycle policies. That's fifteen percent on top of what Geico could already save you. So what are you waiting for your dentist to actually believe you and your flashing every day? Absolutely great and you're cutting down in your suite of course. Wonderful. Then I don't even need to look in their great see in six months. 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"The. Varies it. Get back. Monday back all down in the hardened fluff. Whether it's time we talk about Russell west next time. We talk about thank you. Speaking of getting back. Jackie MacMullan, the return. Let's go. Nick it full strength. Fixtures. That's because this series has had every in the Malay. All the party shot. Ended had nets. The Sean marks reaching the reps. Rupe? Getting suspended for the next game in fine. Also at a two minute reports say reps got it wrong. Sixers fouled on the most important place Saturday, which is kind of pivotal in a series that turned three one Jackie MAC. You're back with us. Let's go right to you. How much beef to the nets have how much sauce to these? Sixers have. Well, certainly coach Kenny actions has a beef with that exact call because that wasn't file and they were emphasized that they were gonna call that more this season. So I understand why he's upset about that. But overall in this series? The nets are going to have a lot of laments, and it starts with the million that you just saw a little pieces of who got thrown out of the game Tony Butler and Jimmy Butler. So. The previous game game three who sat out the biggest name in the. With knee soreness who wins the game? The sixers. So there's going to be a lot of looking back, then it's a great young team. They're so well coached they play hard. But they're just not there yet. They don't have the same talent that the six the nets have beef. I think they do that certainly was miscall. But then again, Spencer Dinwiddie one forty five to go should have been called for. That was also on the league's last minute report. This goes back to game too. I thought that Embiid should have been thrown out of the game that was a player going to. But the Fallon game. Poor to me. That's a common foul. That's not even a flirting at one. And that's why I have no problem with with Jared Dudley. Did he sticking teammate there? Nothing wrong there, and Sean marks and Kenny Atkinson, I understand the Ramoche izaac know, here's a team that was in the abyss. They're trying to fight their way out of it. So you know, what they they need to show their fans that if something goes wrong, we're there to fight. The was it the best moment. No. But I think it was the right thing for them to do you think it was the right then you think the franchises? Happy GM went into the referee's room and got suspended from what could be the last day of the season, the Minar minority owner of the team Joe Cy who's about to become the majority owner tweeted out that he's in full support of because the NBA got it wrong. That's that's GM being suspended for game. Not that big of a deal for the on the floor. I see what you're saying. Twin Yates what do you see with the nets and the Sixers while I understood what happened with the GM while I understand why Dudley went after Embiid. I just don't think that this is the kind of team that needed to lose their composure in this way listen in the regular season. They were on par with the Sixers. I understand that they are young team. They split this series. They outscored them for me. This is not how they were going to win this series. Anyway, look to calls or whatever are the difference between these games right there while out on the court is not are you going to end up getting their look at the attitude of the Sixers after the game, they're laughing. They're having a great time because they know even with nest decide they wanna go crazy can't get anywhere close them. And that to me was that was not smart. They should try note it, but looking at the attitude of some of your fellow panelists while you were saying that the nets had an even chance to win this series. We'll get back to them in a second. What he paid? What are you seeing with Brooklyn in Philly Clinton? There was never any way that the the nets. We're going to beat the seventy Sixers if you were if you were to have an open tryout tomorrow, you take all the seventy. Sixers first before you start with the nets. But let me go back to also what Frank said he was accepting of what the general manager. Did that's a protective sanctum? You can't go into dressing room of the of the referees. After the game. I mean that makes no sense whatsoever. He wants to defend his players. That's not the way you do it. And they have one of the owners say, oh, yeah. We're supporting that you're part of the league that you're trying to protect shield not break the shield and in regard to that last call you do referee the game in different ways, they made a bad call there because he's wrapped up. He's not able to get the ball comfortably in an open lane to the basket. And they went ahead. So the nets Dudley who has been a splinter all series unlovely has been a splinter all series. What you've seen this for all seventeen years. We've been doing this show that they should officiate games differently in the final minute and they do all game because it's more important. I know some others have disagreed with that Jackie do you want to get in on that you want to go it. I love Clinton Clinton to say that they were on par with the Sixers during the regular season the nets. I mean, there's just nobody that feels that way. Unless Joel Embiid was going to be so hurt that he wasn't gonna be able to play in these games as for Sean marks. He Kenny Atkinson's emotional one Sean marks is the straight narrow calculating one. That's what Frank's referring to there. He did it to pump up his team to support. I noticed they veteran maneuver in the middle of the segment, by the way, what he paid saying. Nobody was picking the nets over the Sixers very interesting because Thursday of last week I had to and. Cutlass? A love cold cold ice cold amused to Mr. Pai, Frankie ice move. Let's let's blazers and thunder thirteen point for four when in Oklahoma City now the series goes back to land with the blade who's up three one thunder down Westbrook over the second half yesterday for the game rough for the series. He called his play unacceptable and Paul George certainly looks like something's not right with Paul George last two years thunder gun out in the first round, fright guy Sola. And now comes the time. We talk about Russell Westbrook. I'm told so what's the major malfunction with Westbrook? Well, if you go back to last season he was outplayed by Donovan Mitchell, and that's a rookie in the first round. Dave now lost four sorry. They're four and fourteen in eighteen playoff game. Russell Westbrook and Oklahoma City right now. Damian Lewis has been the difference. Russell westbrook. Missed his last ten shots Lillard dominate that second. I do think that Paul George isn't one hundred percent, but west. Brooks play. Yes, I get that. He's averaging triple double. But offensively exploding to the basket and shooting. He's really struggled this aids. Yeah, I'm not gonna go far to say that the thunder are better team without west regardless. But as he goes, they go as well. But for me the stories or the blazers Lillard McCollum elevated their game to the next level. Not just in terms of what they're doing on the court, but it turns their attitude. They talked about what it was like to get swept last season. How they really changed from a business perspective little going nuts. Third quarter hitting three threes in four possessions. I mean, they just look like more professional basketball team in results showing what do you page? Well, you end up with Westbrook with what a double single last night. I mean, this is a guy that's supposed to be in charge of the series. And he looks like just a data player. There you consider that the starting guards for Portland scored fifty one points the thunder replied with seven ten give me a break about that the front line last night for the Trail Blazers was so officiant throughout the evening being heartless doing things we'd never seen him before. I just think that the trailblazers have been in control of this series throughout despite losing one game. And when you got Paul George who, obviously if you watch team is holding his arm down. He can't do anything defensively. Plus offensively had been that affect let me ask you to lease focus on Russell Westbrook for second Costa typically had while we had a triple double year. It was the least efficient score and shooter in the NBA with open shots, and we saw this again this entire series. But yesterday specifically. Right. And you know, forty two percent during the regular season. Tony that's not going to get it done for a guy that is volume shooter like his I thought it was interesting after the game people are saying, why didn't you go into the paint more? I think he was over three field goals in the paint. And he said, well, I can do that anytime I want. Well, if you can I suggest you do it because shooting within the paint is going to bring up your percentage is going to help you team a lot more and Paul George is not just a little hurt when you think of Westbrook in this conversation that people want to have the headline. Do you believe he's peaked in the thunder Pete? I don't think that's the case at all. I think it's more about Paul George is injury. But the Jackie's point he shot sixty six percent from the free throw line this season. But remember something else about Portland the road teams are sixteen fourteen that's far in the playoffs and Portland is that last year got bouncing the first time they came into this year's Plath having ten through or so it's not like they're playing the warriors right now, they can still get back in the series and potentially. Okay. But let's have that draft wouldn't was Australia about last conversation. If you would address players right now as they are not pulled towards his an MVP candidate three months ago. If you were players, they me letters. Mccollum eat as Cantor's player you'd be drafting pretty high even defensively he's been good. All right. We'll conversation wanna have kind of background in this series. But and I know you guys are reporters, and you care about this in a certain way, maybe fans don't care about it. But let's talk about Russell Westbrook at the podium and this war with berry trample. Berry travel, the Oklahoma. And could you tell you had a little extra next question? Thanks next question. Next question next question. Question. We don't know. This is dangerous for the league Clinton Yates. You see it that way? I don't I don't agree with. I think that's been overstatement. But in general, I think this looks much worse on the day than it does in the locker room blown off questions like this overall. Russell westbrook. Cannot just making yourself look bad. You're not just making your fridge has look bad. But to me this nice to look back on some level. Because what are you supposed to do? What's the interaction that's supposed to happen there? One person's job. You're doing a job let that guy do his job. I get why people like it because people like petty Nick athletes should be able to say what they want because they're the product. But at this stage, I think it's just you think people like this at home, you think the NBA's like this? You think the NBA league petty is what this lead traffics in in this very much petty at the highest what he page what's play here? Certainly you've had situations where you've covered, athletes and you haven't seen before. So what's that player? Jer I've gone through over half a century, and you set players do it. But when they do it on stage. It's a totally different thing. When. It's usually been a confrontation and a locker room or after practice something like that. I just don't think it looks good for the entire league. But I don't know why Steve Kerr's addressing it. You're in the middle of your own playoffs. And you wanna talk about what's going on in another series involving something really shouldn't be a matter discussion is dangerous to the league. No. I think everybody knows exactly what Westbrook's reputation is. He basically drove the best player on that team to Golden State. It may Dr Paul George at some point out of his mind. I just think it's west broken. It's his his relationship with one writer, and it doesn't look good what athletes had reputations reporters have reputations as well. Jackie. Let's take a step back here view. What this is right here. Do you think it's baffled league? I do think it's bad for league. And I applaud Barry Trento for sticking to his guns because you know, what we have all been on the other side of this at least once and it's no fun. It's really fun at all. And it's difficult. So I plotted him for sticking to guns there, if I'm the thunder on put an end to this because it doesn't reflect well on you. And the reason Steve Kerr mentioned it. What is because somebody asked him the question, and he has two of the biggest superstars in the league that even though Kevin Durant is up and down even after he has little moments. He always comes back and talks to meet it. They've made it a priority in their France. And what's interesting to me? What's a priority for the NBA is for things to go viral things to be entertaining Popovich, celebrated what he refuses to address questions. Frankie wanna see it from that angle. Well, here's the thing out of civil was at that game last. So something tells me that there was some conversation between the league and the thunder officials. That's why Westbrook changes answers a little bit. I'm of the belief. You don't wanna talk through reporter don't talk. But guess what? You'll Russell Westbrook. This should be. Beneath you, a player of your stature and standing in the league, you don't wanna talk the reporter fine. But you come across his petty and immature look at the way, Damian Lillard handles the media after game a look at the way Russell. That has the last word. Thank you. Frank, those scores Sola Molik fig, we go to by herself next. I got you got to Clinton on that. Sixers nets pick on the horn is brought to you by the new Wendy's picky bag, price and participation may vary. 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This is the six sweep in Celtics franchise ever all-time seventeen rings, but only five sweeps until yesterday made six Jackie wouldn't seem show you in the last two weeks that we've we're not getting the last six months. Well, Ford and Hayward instead of going to the whole with hesitancy now is going with purpose. They're seven and when he scores twenty points, Tony keys back. Jalen Brown back in the starting lineup and all the struggles early in the season to figure out where he fits in those behind him. It's all about Kyrie Irving for them going forward. Remember their season hinges on it? Cari, stay or go, far, the Celtics go will depend a lot on that goes, Indiana. This is what the Celtics should have done. This so much better about the bench. Supreme gordon. Hayward a MAC player off the bench. He and Marcus Morris shot a combined fourteen for twenty you still have Terry Rozier, Marcus smart will come back you hope at some point during the playoffs top to bottom. It's the most talented team eastern. Do you agree with Jackie that Gordon Hayward back now that you saw twenty foot performance for him in the close? I think he's always going to have his ups and downs with a long time since that injury. He looked back. You would all that indicates is ballots. They had seven guys in double figures. We gotta think Frank I was close personal friend. Brad, Steve is actually bigger this out. Getting insulted so much for having all that talent. Not being able to go back to building the hall of fame bus Brad Stevens got you what he paid. Let me straighten you guys out. I mean really wanted. They does they were behind it. Halftime breathe. The four gates. Oh, yeah. They found found a bitch in the final game also date while the other team was without depot. So they weren't so deep, and that's what you get. Let's find out what they're doing. Again, it seems for the people. What are you are trailing going into the half as well? So let's not not we'll move legit question would hang. I l team be the best team in baseball right out there going thirteen Jeep judge Al and it's looking bleak out here. What's the Yankees best case scenario for the next month? Frank, what's the worst? Keep your head right out about five hundred where they are right now. This isn't the NFL it's baseball. My concern is Severino starting pitching Matanzas out of the bullpen. Those are the two guys in it's best case. And worst case the best case scenario will the best situation for them is the fact that the Boston Red Sox and so poorly as well. So I grew with Frank, but overall guys coming off the I L necessarily mean they hit the ground running. I'm concerned about this the games all kinds of their April. This is a tough stretch. You've got worry all you worried. Yes. He is worried about you page. Worst case scenario is almost guys injured list should go down to Tampa Bay. That's where there we having a go see to raise you got a best. The worst case scenario leave in the race as. Steaks look at them. They have the best young pitching in that entire division. I know the Red Sox best-case canary. Oh is keep their head. Right. Even with the water for the till June first, and then they pull it all the MAC. So when Terry Francona was the manager of the Red Sox some guy cross the street in April to get in his face in yellow and say do something team is losing he said Taba if we just wait until may so everybody needs to down just a little bit of the Yankees. I will tell you this. I am with Franken this batons as injury is shoulder. A lot of these other injuries are calf and things like that those comeback, but Frank is right to worry about a, Sean. Especially interested debate is about a week and half away. Jackie mak. So that's an only Sanchez seems to be closed. The returning in the next week for the Yankees. We gotta move on sharks to Golden Knights one Tomas Ertl scoring the short handed double overtime goal to force a game seven anther guaranteeing a win after overtime happened because of this mess of humanity in front of that what the what the cell Clinton, I'm buying the fact that the charts needed this badly. You can call it a softy? All you want. They got out hit. They got out shot. They got out class his game. It still made it to win it. They're lucky, and I think even sharks or no facilities guarantee that they'd go back. They are going to do that. That was the first double overtime shorthanded goal winning go other than that next question. Jackie mac. A big deal about this hurdle guarantee. He was after a game. He had the the PA system in front of them. Hey, guys, we're not gonna win any more seeing you next year. Of course record. They used to be this feeling that in overtime hockey in the playoffs. You couldn't call penalty. Unless somebody was murdered. This is why you call penalties. And guess what? Sometimes a team that's down scores penalty, the referee shit coil sometimes team that was down doesn't score. What do you say Clinton doing up score today? They're dot I so Mullah showed up. Dave thank. Jackie macmullan. Frank is Sola serious question. The greatest double ever is it actually double play official ruling released from ally. Upon review not a double play calling a put out an overthrow and tag out at second. So Frank I ask you is the greatest double-play ever, actually, not a AA. I don't care what. The officials scores says the late. Great Bill, Shannon. Who was official score. New York Hewitt ruled out a double play. I'm sorry. That's two outs. Same play double play. Okay. So I'll play along Frank. Let's call it this then a double play with an error. I don't know if ever such a thing is existed, but that's not a traditional double play the guy overthrew want to call it out error double play that on with UAE need. When you can have the greatest double play ever, Bill, Shannon. What was it? Frank Paris pets, seven seven atmos-. Right. We'll on Bruins leaks going seven. It's been a great series would have been nice to see all of it. But hockey added this mad. Surely viewers, someone fear is question is it all knowing or is it part of it. Even just like, I'm not even mad. That's impressive. Jackie. All I can think of the two eleven Stanley Cup finals Whitey Bulger crossed lines the gangster on the Lam to watch game seven. And I kept thinking if he stood up with anybody turn around and tell them sit down with anything. But okay, they say in Canada sit down a it reminds me of my kids when they were young. They would stand in front of the TV. I would tell them you're not you're not a window your door move aside. I went to a back of the head show and hockey game broke out. That's what happened here. Frankie ice FaceTime. Thirty six. We're talking about how players deal with the media. How Klay Thompson who scored thirty two points in game four after totaling forty two points in the first games of the series. What was the secret to his success? He said he went for dip in the Pacific Ocean. Then he played a little beach volleyball hound Santa Monica a player what a guy, and here's my thing for Kevin Durant because everyone thinks that Kevin Durant will leave the warriors. If you do remember, something Steph curry Klay Thompson will not be going guys stowing for a few years picking up secret here. Success Jackie we're so happy to have you back. What you do for the last seven weeks? You know, what I read some money Perry on the great Lorraine has. But the series. It's called the chronic.

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"They even though fans can attend this year's masters. The tournament is using the flexibility of a hybrid cloud to scale their capabilities. Now everyone can be a patron learn more at ibm dot com slash masters jump. I'm rachel nichols. I'm going to be joined by coach. David physical hall of famer. Jackie macmullan just a bit coming up. Jimmy butler is also gonna join me to talk about reaching the finals last season bam of bios extension and of course coffee. you know. we're gonna talk about coffee before all of that. Though we are starting to jump. What some breaking news. Our senior insider adrian words ascii reporting that. Paul george and the clippers have agreed to add four years to his contract extension. Worth up to one hundred ninety million dollars. This comes just a week after. Paul said he wanted to retire. As a clipper so now to discuss this further the man who broke the story woke. Welcome back to the job. How did this extension come about. This was really from the time that the clippers made the trade with oklahoma city at the start of free agency a year ago. Getting that trade in place with oklahoma city was really the final key to getting that commitment from leonard. I think there was an expectation. You know paul. George wanted to be there long term and this was a pretty easy contract for both sides he got. Certainly you know the max contract that he could get. He's committed now for five years. You know two hundred and twenty six million dollars potentially can have that player option in two thousand twenty four twenty five but this was paul george chance to come home to southern california. A clipper organization. That's been built around. He and kawhi leonard. And so i think it was a pretty easy one for the clippers and aaron mintz and paul george to lock this up. Think they started to talk about the mechanics of the of the contract here in the past week. Once the clippers got through free agency in the draft. And look if we think back to two thousand fourteen where paul was after that horrible leg injury people wondering if it was the end of his career. If you look at the amount of i. I believe that's what up to depending on what contracts ended up being worth up to two hundred ninety million dollars that he has signed since then i. It's pretty remarkable. That has been able to build out that second half of his career like that and also shed some light on the clippers and how much they gave up for. Paul george if they are now getting him through this extension as well. It's not that he quote could leave. After this season you brought up quite leonard though because he is still in that position where he is an option to leave after this upcoming season. Does paul's extension mean anything for future with the franchise. Well it certainly from the clippers perspective makes it a lot easier to not have both players going in a to the possibility of free agency. But having paul george locked in you know now for kawhi leonard listen. This was a plan that he was a part of and last season didn't end. The playoffs didn't go the way they wanted them to go. And certainly. there's a lot on kawhi. Leonard and paul george with a new head coach lou to get this figured out to have a team that certainly at least get so the western conference finals and a potential showdown with the lakers. They've grounded makeup on the lakers. There's no question about that. But there's been no indication that quite leonard has any doubts about the decision to be with the clippers. How they're moving forward again. Just like paul george. This is home for him But certainly like. There had to be changes with this clippers team. You've seen that this off season with them. But by all appearances paul george kawhi leonard have remained in lockstep. But things change in the nba. If you're the clippers you want to have a season where they maximize their group and leave. No doubt but as you know until you get a player signed. He isn't signed. But i think just getting this paul george deal done. Takes a great deal of pressure off of the clippers as you said rachel. They gave up so much to oklahoma city. This was a player that they had to get locked down long-term and they've done that. Yeah you make up a great point. Thanks change in the nba. Which leads me to my next question. Because i want to check in with you on the james harden saga if you think about where we were in training camp a year ago compared to now. It is remarkable. How quickly things change. Where do things stand on. Any potential trades for james harden in the rockets rachel in the rockets. Continue to want to try to slow play. This slow play. Trade talks the best. They can certainly in a rush to go out and find the deal and put one together. That might lead them. You know to me short of getting the kind of massive hall that you've you've gotta get for a player. Like james harden to let a market developed lead teams interest developed over time and and get getting back on the court in houston get him on the floor with john wall seeking john wall back to all star form and see if there's any momentum you can get back with the rockets we as we've talked about. He still has two years left on his deal. They don't have to rush their way into a trade but listen it's going to continue to be at the forefront of conversations all over the league it is a lot of pressure on an organization. It is a lot of distraction especially with the new. Gm and new head coach. This thing doesn't go away. You get asked about it every day that tension is there every day. It's not easy to move forward like this for an organization. But they're gonna if they're gonna slow play if they're gonna figure out how to get the best possible deal. It's something that the rockets are going to have to learn to live with so fascinating to watch that. Develop all right. The very nattily dressed adrian. Words ski for joining us. What would we will see you soon. All right with that. I'd like to bring in our resident coach. David are hall of famer. Jackie macmullan welcomed friends and coach. I'll start with you. What's your reaction to the news of this big extension for pg mccollum four alone. That's a great deal for. I'm really happy for him. You know nothing better for guy in his hometown to get a big contract and to four team the show how much they really want to. Obviously i thought the clippers sued and had to do this because they gave up a lot. Right gilchrist alexander's one of the best young players in the league nari ton of picks so this has to workout and i stayed there are sowing. How invested they are by taking this step forward and let's let's not get it wrong. Paul george baller. He's a two way player. He's a guy that's got the potential to make all league teams. I think it's a good investment on the clippers. Part by showing this. I think now the big step is don't be taking it to another level is showing why he had to have his guy. In clipper land. You know because demanded that he wanted him there. And so i think hawaii now has to step up for so why he wanted them there and now they gotta go out and get a championship done. I think you've hit the nail on the head david. This was a package deal when they came right. So why and paul. George wanted to play together. Paul george said all right. I'm here for the long haul. And i'm sure he's hoping in the clippers are hoping that co i follow follow suit. You had to get this done. And i know there's a lot of unhappy clipper fans that are looking at paul georgia's playoff results and saying. Are you kidding me. Why are you paying this guy all this money. But i think steve ball and the clippers are smart to take the longer you off. Paul georgia's career. He did have a tough postseason as did most of the clippers. And i think his game seven sticks and everybody's cross still remembered he was coming off double shoulder surgery. We heard him speak of his struggles inside the bubble with the mental health aspect of that which i do not think we should diminish in any way shape or form. So what this tells me is. The clippers are not overreacting to their early exit in the playoffs. They have a new coach. They're going to restart. They have new players and they're going to go forward these two guys and hope they can lock quiet as well. That double shoulder surgery point. Jackie i think so important here because obviously that wasn't him her say in the playoffs in the bubble but he didn't really have an off season and he didn't even start the season last year with the team so this year he's had it's short but he has had an offseason. Hey it's longer than if they had advanced further in the playoffs so he had that Had an off season. You know. I've been told that he's been getting back to a lot of the training and things that he did before he had that season that put him in the top five. Mvp voting back in oklahoma city. So we'll have to see if this is a bet that is going to be a smart bet but clearly the clippers. Think so and look. You have leonard player option after this upcoming season. Jackie do you think kawhi will commit to the clippers especially after the fiji noise. It seems to me. He would. Rachel but i have given up trying to guess what goes on inside and i do think we should point one. Other thing up for the cynics shortly after this news broke. And that is paul. George asked to be traded out of the pacers asked to be traded from o'casey so he has locked up and says he wants to remain there for the remainder of his career but in his past two places he has requested a trade. Nothing's ever certain in the nba. Right now after you know what does nice contract. And then i think his comments about how doc used them i take. It puts a lot on his shoulders now. Clippers fans that he's got to and answer the bill especially with the way that it is so the pack is of those guys i they have to have a source of of responsibility and they have to step up to collectively put their team in a test for a championship. Absolutely couldn't agree more. All right guys coming up. We got so much on this show today. Jimmy butler is going to join me to talk about lessons. Learned from last season who he thinks. Favorites should be in the eastern conference and big face. Coffey yeah unit. That was happening. Jimmy buckets up next stick around. Hi there this. Is julie foudy with my co host lentils owie from the podcast laughter permitted. And we're here to tell you about our sponsor ally then and i are actually customers ourselves. And that's why we're pumped to have teamed up with ally from the very beginning joel's. I think it's safe to say that. 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This is how you are after that. Nba finals appearance. I wanna take you back to the bubble for a minute before the playoffs even started you and i sat down and you told me you were going to the nba finals. Not a lot of people agreed with you. You had total certainty. it obviously paid off. What is the biggest lesson you learned from all of that and that whole experience to the group that we had very capable of making it to the finals in competing. I think that those group guys realize what we can do. And i'm hoping that the group that we have now lahser too. I definitely miss the guys that we had but I'm grateful for the guys that we brought in. so jimmy. fill in the blank for me here. The miami heat get back to the nba finals. If blink if we do we're supposed to do play together not listening to everybody on outside which preach every single day. We not worried about locking us. And i've played our best version of basketball that we can. We'll give back there. We know what to do. How do you notice the confidence you have in these guys spreading to them so that they believed the way you believe. Just gotta tell him every day showing them that I'm so appreciative of them. The work that they put in all the confidence in the world. And it's guys i do. I'm continue to give it to him. Confidence is what those guys need and That's what i'm here for. And then i'll just you know. Get in where i fit in well. You're backing it up. That image of you slumped over this stanchion and the nba finals. Just giving every ounce of yourself. There's not much time for you. And the heat to recover from those moments from that finals training camps already underway. Your first regular season game is in less than two weeks. How do you feel about the short turnaround time. And how it's gonna affect you us. I think everybody's going to be a little bit tired. We're in the same disadvantage everybody else's Like always say nobody cared Nobody's business anyway so tired tired Is still got a job to do. We still got to go out there improve that we can compete with the best will be okay. Have you noticed that that no one can you. Has that caught your attention jimmy butler. I'll have to look at. I'll have to look at any media outlet to know that you got some really good players. That are much better than i am. Coming back k. D. carry steph Cat guys are coming back. So i picked those guys over me to wait. You would pick those guys over you or if you were in the media you would pick those guys. Are you currently picking those guys over you over me. So if i'm betting. I should bet against you i always thought that was dangerous. You wanna win or you wanna lose so well. Our staff notice that you liked a post on instagram from bleacher report that said james harden has added the heat and bucks to his list of preferred trade destinations. What what did you like about that post jimmy. A hairstyle braids looks well nourished liked host. What do you think the idea. That james harden might wanna come to miami I mean there's a. There's a lot of stuff always in the media. I think that he's a hell of a player. I like the group that we have To to just want to be happy. I think that's. That's what life is about. That's what the game is about. And so i liked post so on that tip. You know what it's like to be in that situation. You wanted to trade out of minnesota a few years ago. We all know what happened next. Have you gotten any flashbacks when you've been hearing about what's going on with james and the rockets no no flashbacks from me. I'm where i wanna be. That's behind me the past I'm here. I'm locked in on the miami heat right now. I'm telling you i like james. He's a friend of mine. I just want him to be happy do well. Let's talk about your teammates then. Fellow all-star bam bio just rewarded with that cash. That max extension this past offseason. Did you give bam any advice when he was going through the process or after he signed the deal. Just look man. You know where you want to be. You know that we need you. Because you're the you're the engineer. The key You've won a so many games and i. I mean who's saying that. We wouldn't have beat the lakers finals. We'll never know now. But hopefully we get a rematch at that. But i'm so glad that he got that bad. He deserved it. He's worked so hard each and every day and he's he's always making everybody around him better. Well jimmy i cannot end this interview without asking about the bubbles. Most successful business big face. Coffey you told me before we left orlando. you wanted to make this a real thing out in the world. I heard you've got a special delivery today. What tells what's going on. I live batch of beans Me my trainer. James scott and one of my hometown guys Chase barlett we've been putting little work you know. Obviously this court thing is most important must singing career dancing derail got that Coffees next we're gonna. We're gonna put that in motion. I love it and do you have a big face. Coffey stand setup the arena there at training camp. And if so is it still twenty bucks a pop for your teammates. I think the the prices theme talked about we don't know but I think if we gotta get a model. So i think there's gonna be our first model for big face coffee and We'll take it from there. But it's it's in motion and i think that it's going to be. A big thing. Is going to have to walk a runway to show off the big face coffey styles. How's it gonna work. We're not paying a damn thing. But he gonna walk in for free speech doing it. I know you jimmy. I know you're going to be able to make it all work. Thank you so much for joining us. Our eyes will be on you this season for sure. Appreciate you coming up. Janas says he is not focused on his contract extension with milwaukee. Do we trust the bucks of the team to overcome any distractions. That come their way. We'll discuss that after the break. Hi there this. Is julie foudy of the podcast laughter permitted and i'm here to tell you about our sponsor ally first of all if you're still stuffing financial documents into a filing cabinet. I am here to save you. Or perhaps you're still waiting in line at a bank. There's a smarter way. My friends do your banking online with ally anytime anywhere. The name is the mission. Ally is your financial ally. Let them make your money. Work smarter you get to play. Which for me means more time to surf and hang with my sometimes. Adorable kids visit a. l. l. y. dot com slash savings to learn more ally bank member. Fdic welcome back to the. I got jackie. Mac and david phys deal rejoining me here and guys janas spoke to the media yesterday and when asked about his contract extension with the books he said. I'm not focused on it. In fact take a listen to more visit remarks. Not folks in that and -nother get over like everybody's very big decision alive probably one of the biggest make but I just live my agent to focus going like getting ready saturday. Play the preseason game when you're talking about how it's really not in your hands. It's kinda hard for us to figure that out. Like what is it. The you need to see to to kind of side. Whether or not you want to sign the extension in milwaukee. Let me go back a little bit. He said whatever the box ago against the yes they buy them like clustered every day at six. Am before i go to practice to say yes agree to that. You believe so if not maybe you need to know. What was your reaction to the pants team. Has its ups of your birthday at first. I d. I didn't get chris gaming and given that was like what is this guy was like thinking about. It was one-sided contract on any was just like okay. I laugh the first time i loved the second time the third time and then a twenty pounds so then he got he got a little bit. I got twenty feet in my locker room. So jackie in case you were wondering whether this is on the mind of any of the bucks players themselves. Apparently on this got twenty pens in his locker for his birthday. Do you think is chooses not to sign the supermax extension. Jackie that the bucks will be able to overcome the constant questions and potential distraction here. Well i'm going to say yes to that reach only because one thing i've admired about jaanus. Let's be honest. this saga has been ongoing. It feels like since he got to milwaukee once the season starts he's really really good about shutting it down and if he's the kind of leader which i think is i think it will gather all his teammates and just say this is youngest as business will respect his wishes and we're not talking about it easier said than done i understand i think what it does do is put a tremendous amount of pressure on the box and the players around jaanus to make sure these guys go a very long way to a championship for maybe to a finals. I don't know if that's what gets it done a lot of people keep saying to me. Why doesn't he just signed the deal. It's eighty three million dollar difference than what other teams can give him. I think y- honest is the kind of player. That says. I i signed that. I want to honor it from start to finish. And that's where i think pauses so i kind of admire the fact that he doesn't wanna just take the money and then later on say you know what. I don't wanna be here anymore. Yeah i think. I think You know ultimately jackie's hit the nail on the head. I think that janas us in a position right now where he can just focus on basketball and go out and compete and what. He's looking for our actions. I think the penn thing was funny and it was a good gag for the guys to do it. But he's going to be looking to see. How team may step up. He knows that bud is a straight shooter. Bud is always going to tell them what's going on going shoot from the shoulders and the front office has done nothing to lose janas trust and so i think if they can continue to adapt this team around him and janas of the exactly right as the type of guy focus in during the season. Really lock in on winning. Because that's what he's about. I think at the end of the day. We're going to see this thing. Play out the right way whether he stays or goes. I just think it's going to be handled correctly and look we've seen it kind of fall both ways. When a guy has a decision to make at the end of the year kevin durant and the golden state warriors got asked about this day after day after day after day while bron james was in the same situation with the cleveland cavaliers and he kind of said at the beginning of the season. I'm not gonna talk about it. And really he got asked about it. Very mildly a few times but in general it did not hang over the team in the same way even though he did of course end up leaving phys. We were talking on the show earlier this week. The fact that there aren't going to be fans in the stands for at least the beginning chunk of the season means that he's not going to be going from marina to arena and people yelling at him saying. Are you leaving come to us. You know any of that stuff. So at least that part of the circus or distraction won't necessarily be there and we'll just have to see again if he signs by december twenty first if he decides to kick the can down the road to the following season the following offseason to see if he wants to sign it. then we will find out all right. I wanna move onto kevin durant though because he said yesterday that he has been told to expect to play small forward while also spending some time at center for small ball. Lineups quote coach is just going to throw out there. And see how i respond so phys- what are your thoughts. Katie spending time at the five. Think smart by doing that. He's going to end up getting all of his best skill players out on the floor k. D. seven feet. Tall of a guy walking wingspan. He's spider he rebounds. Well he's an over the top rebounder if you try to put anybody out there on him. That's not the right matchup. He's gonna be an instant bucket and it gives you versus until defensively to switch. It is like that. So i think it's smart to keep all things on the table for that team. They got so many different weapons and pieces and it also gives a chance sometimes to maybe not guard somebody as quicker somebody. That's movement around as much as he continues to get his legs underneath film and really start to get his game back together. So it'll be interesting to see just not that teams fun to watch. Yeah in phase. I think we've seen a little bit of this. Before when katie was gold state the golden state warriors when. They ended up in the postseason all of a sudden. You didn't see andrew bogut or you didn't see javale mcgee. They often went to a small ball. And you can. You can argue whether draymond green was the five or k. D. was the five but they were out there together so this is nothing new for k. d. and coach fizzes right. He has the versatility and the latest to be able to do it now. I don't think they're going to ask him to guard. Joel embiid in the post for thirty eight. I think right. But but i think this makes a lot of sense absolutely well. Is they better him to ray twins remember. He's a shot blocker to remember. He was one of the top saab blockers in the league at golden state. So it's not like he's just gonna let you get anything you want at the rim either. Yeah he led the league in shop locking for much of his last season there as a starting to say the nba is a better place. Kevin durant playing in it so wherever he wants to play on the floor. I wanna watch. That's all i got for you coming up guys later on this show taxes celtics. They made some changes this off season. But did they actually improve the roster. That's coming up next. We give boston are previously On treatment keeping loved at once app. That's dan once last thing. You want running with elite. Qb's russell got the kenneth on clutch td's lacrosse overstep behind. I don't need to watch the clock because you know danes with thirty for thirty two finger. Push us bruce lee. Showing no mercy factfile crew on deck libo knows. No one else goes deeper. That's a fact once once. Espn download now. Welcome back to the jump. you know. we're just twelve days away from the start of the twenty twenty one. nba season. And you know what that means the jumps previously on segments are back. It's like when your favorite tv show returns from my eighties. They up on. Everything happened the last time you saw them so now. It's time for previously on the boston. Celtics all right. When we last saw the celtics they were on the losing end of that hard fought six game series against the heat in the conference finals. That was the cliffhanger. Since then boston's made a bunch of roster changes gordon hayward brad wanamaker and canter all gone but they brought in jeff teague tristan thompson and drafted payton creek out of oregon in the first round. So jackie did the celtics get better or worse this offseason. What do you think. I can't honestly said the celtics get better. When gordon hayward walks away he was the best facilitator on that team last year. Rachel i understand why he left. He wanted a bigger role but he was an important role for their team. Now does that mean that. The celtics don't have any place to go but down. That's where i'd say. No because jason. Tatum i think is on the verge of being a top ten player. You might already be there already. We haven't even seen the best of jaylen brown yet. Who i think has a chance to be one of the best two way players in the game and as you know those are hard to come by so they have great room for growth but in the short term. The biggest question is kemba walker. Course that stem cell injection them out till we think january. That's a big big question mark for them. So i see where they added a playmaker jeff t they opened up opportunity for does young kids to come in and play right away and the guy that i'm going to be looking at the hardest froder. Boston celtics is jalen brown. I think jalen brown as a first team all defender and it's time for them to really put that stamp on the tain. I liked that he. Marcus smart got into it last year. I think that's healthy. Sometimes this show how much it really matters to you. I think what we saw marcus smart when he played extended minutes that this guy is a big time player. He likes to spotlight. He's not gonna shy away doesn't get sick as c. So jaylen brown will be the guy that i'm really gonna be watching to to really feel that next void that gap of guard. Everybody defender marcus. Smart didn't have to be that guy all the time. I think he should be one of those guys and if he is we can end up saying boston. Make that jump into the dance and plan in the finals Well no interesting point. That is an interesting point. It is and i. You're right about jaylen brown. But you know it's funny coats when you look at the Defensive metrics for which are always tricky because they skew kind of funny. Jayson tatum as an underrated defender as well. So you have two guys have a chance to be really top two way players and so that's absolutely nothing. You know the juggle between inas kanter and tristan thompson right. Trista is probably a better defender. Innocence better offensively. We don't know how that's going to play out. Hayward will definitely be missed. But i think bringing all star guard former all star teague who makes plays by other people can feel some of that void. Yeah they need the minnesota t not not from last easiest struggle right. I mean no. He's he he can help them needs. They need a veteran. They need more veterans in that locker. I liked the teak signing interest thompson. Because they were thin up front and air need smith. Don't sleep on him. They're expecting him short on wync players all of a sudden and so they'll need him to get some minutes to if he can shoot fifty fifty two percent from three in college. I think they'd take forty two percent right now. Just mark that down. They'll be having all right. Jackie exactly we heard in the Glow compilation the previously on at the top. You groaning at me about. Hey watch being back. I can say hey. Watch has been officially cancelled. The series is cancelled in boston. But i guess tristan thompson his own reality show. So it's just gonna keep laying celtics definitely our must see tv in so many ways and here are the games fans are going to want to binge-watch in the first half of the season they open the season against the bucks then they take on the nets a couple of days later on christmas day. Both huge games. So if we focus in on that christmas showdown his. What are you looking for mola's from boston. Point of view and that big showdown with the brooklyn nets. I'm looking for a top of effort. I want to see. Don't come out and put their stamp on it right away that they're going to be the best defensive team in the league and like i said i'm gonna keep pointing that jaylen brown because i just think he's got so many gifts to impact the game. Defensively can really really changed. The course of the game is so many different ways. So i really want to watch that closely and watched the match ups throughout the course of the game to see how. The coach has really played a test match tit for tat because it's so much talent on the floor. We're just gonna have a fun time watching these guys make plays rates for me. I'm going to be looking at some of the young players because kemba walker obviously isn't gonna play in that game so paving pressure may get some minutes. Maybe a head of what they expected. Maybe the same thing for knees i think. Jeff t can. He's going to be valuable because he'll be able to step in and take some of those minutes with campbell along with marcus smart. But here's the funny thing. Think about it guys. We thought kyrie irving playing against the boston celtics for the first time was going to be a huge storyline. Doesn't that seem like a lifetime ago. I mean people leave only mentioned it has happened since then but this will still be his first time playing in boston as a net if he plays in that game. So finally we're gonna get to the spoiler alerts for the celtics season caesar's sportsbook giving the celtics the third best odds of winning the east behind the bucks and the nets their first two opponents to jackie. What's your bold prediction for the celtics coach. Fans kinda stole my thunder might prediction was going to be the jaylen brown booby expensive player and an all star. Because i think you. And i are on the same page with gordon hayward gone. Jaylen brown has a chance for more shots. More minutes more defaults set of assignments. He's going to be an all-star here. Absolutely and i think you know when you look at that team. They were always trying to figure out the minutes away right and trying to figure out. How do you know how to get these guys all be on the floor. Be happy. And i think we're hey being out now. It really opens up that runway for this kid to take off and i just. I can't stress it enough. The celtics are imposition position. Now to really build identity around these guys especially with the tough kid. They're bringing in from oregon. I think they're going to be a team to watch. And their defense is key can be really be special. We will be keeping an eye and so we'll everybody else on national television. You will see boston a lot. All right guys up next on this show. as james harden waits to clear cobham protocols. I will ask jackie. Invis- how his rocket teased states should feel about the way. The season started. John wall spoke about james earlier today. Stick around to hear his thoughts next. And it's crunch time here on the jump pow ghazal looking to return to the nba. And he's targeting. The lakers jackie. Do you think we'll see how back in a lakers uniform. His brother the susan. I would love it. I love it when brothers played together and still hoping steph curry brothers. Get to play at some point together. But it's been a while polly's forty years old so i think it's going to be difficult but i'm all for his pocket is everything that's right with the nba. I would love to have him back. Yeah i think this would be perfect. He's a laker. He's championships with the lakers. His brother is air for them. I know what that would mean to mark and the fact that they got a chance to win titles together. I don't think it's age is going to be a big factor because they're not going to be asking a lot of piles and they know what he brings as a professional. He's gonna keep himself ready if they need to. Put them in a game. But i just think the overall holistic view of it. I think it's a win win for everybody. Absolutely i want to switch gears to the warriors steph curry said having some time off after the warriors five year one was useful. He said starting from ground zero is kind of awesome. This do you think that the rest last season for curry and the warriors was better for them in fact then making another deep playoff run in the bubble if they weren't going to win it anyway in that scenario absolutely i think what you always end up saying now is that when you have these dynasty teams the thing that ends up ending. The dynasty is injuries and cramps at an age. So i think having rest steph curry to be able to take some time off draymond green to be able to take some time off and now they're coming back to a team with some young talent with some real athletes on the team. Obviously the clay bill was a blow. I think it's going to help them. Because they understand what it takes. You know rachel and fizz. I find these comments. Were so interesting. And i think what it reminds us of is how hard it is to be on top and we've heard this through the years with the state whereas a grind. It was how some years even when they were winning. It wasn't particularly fun. It was daunting and challenging and there was inside drama and outside drama. And so i think what steph say near as hey let's get back to our roots. Let's just play ball. I love playing. I've missed it. I've been hurt. let's start from scratch. They seem to love the young kid men so it's just a very interesting take on his career and if you were at the nba finals you saw just have drained everybody on that warriors staff. Everyone on the squad was at the end of that finals series and look we saw it again when we revisited. The last dance season with the bulls. Right and scottie. Pippen's been here on this talking about just how wearing it is and i can see where steps coming from. So we'll see how they do. Let's get back to the houston situation. Because james harden will not be clear to play until test negative for kobe. Six times to stay hard and has been a distraction That might be putting it mildly. He requested a trade. he's been partying in atlanta in las vegas while the team tries to integrate a new coach new players. Here's what john wall had to say. It came into guys. You gave me out of good work. Workout coach john. Lucas and I talked about. We didn't really talk about too much more. We have a relationship with being friends before basketball. Ina whatever he's going you get to and make. The season was best for him not in front office duty so classy there from john wall. John wall is now had to talk about this. Stephen silas pizza tucker jackie. If you were one of hardin's teammates who are the ones who have been answering questions about this. How would you feel right now. A chill pretty exhausted. And i haven't even played a game yet and it seems a little unfair. Obviously to the guys were there. Especially when all the ruckus about daniel housebreaking covert protocol in the bubble and now james harden just literally slotting the covert recklessness. But i will say this. I've learned one thing covering this league all these years talent always trump's temperament. If they help you win the players will forgive you. They wanna win. And james harden is one of the most unique offensive players will help them do that. I mean the players always know a lot more about what was going on and everybody else. They're close to your john. Wall said he talked to him so locker room. I think players are used to this business now that there are breakup and things like this happen and relationships need to move on. So i don't know how badly they're taking this. I think they know that he's not bought into being done right now. And obviously code. Silence has a tough job but his job is just to keep those guys focused. He can't get concerned with all of the stuff. That's going on between the front office. In james and costa team ninety has an and hopefully it gets over sooner than later. Absolutely all right. Well that's it for us today. Wanna shout out our director kathy. It's her ten year anniversary to espn. We'll see tomorrow cap.

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Making A Difference

"Sure. The I look at. The court in the bubble. Or less not enough bubbles for by like the. NBA. Championship percentages. You guys saw this bucks. At eighty three percents. Wouldn't it all according to BPI? Eighty three percent jaanus I've heard a lot of people say that there's GONNA BE A. Star next to the championship I. Feel like at the end of the days could be the toughest championship. You could ever win. He's of course talking about the ASTERISK. Jackie macmullan Kevin Black page no need for an asterisk with you guys. Jackie, how did you hear on there? And do you believe eighty-three percent chance the bucks win at all. But I think the box. Chances are increasing because the Lakers have already lost avery Bradley. They are going to have Dwight Howard, but clearly he had some questions about whether he was going to go the clippers. We hear about Lou Williams being torn no such thing with the Milwaukee Bucks. Everyone's on board. Everybody wants to play. They have the best player who I think will be the MVP and the defensive player of the year, and he's right about the Asterix I'm with him. I don't like them and they certainly do not apply here when everybody's on the same playing field. He's been off the same time. Everybody's at the same place. No one has home court advantage whoever wins is going to have to go through mental and physical gymnastics. There doesn't need to be any special. Little thing attached physical gymnastics, they that is that part of the bubble now for extracurricular activities very good. All right so. Onboard with John is saying no asterisk and the bucks of the favorite woody page. You re that they are eighty three percent favorites. Not In this century, whatsoever I don't know where that number came up with PPI. Bs To me if you go to LAS, Vegas and bid on the championship they will be the Los Angeles. Lakers are favored I. Think with this arduous year that we're going through that. It's open to so many different teams. I mean I think we can eliminate those teams that really don't even deserve to be the postseason, but I think the Clippers for instance we've heard about the seventy sixers I think the Toronto Raptors. Even the Denver Nuggets here where I'm sitting so I, don't know how. In the world you can pick any team eighty three percent in regard to the Astros. If you want to do something, put a smiley face Emoji next to who the champion this year. Thank you very much. Jokes. Did you not have the Lakers on your list of teams? That could win it all. You had the sixers and the nuggets before the Lakers that I hear that right Cadillac is still. Let's bring you in here. This is just a wide open tournament this week today we're seeing the bucks eighty-three percent wherever that number came from last week as woody mentioned, we were talking about the sixers. You go to Vegas. They're talking about the Lakers I guarantee you. It'll be somebody different next week. Who knows going going to win this thing because we just don't know how it's GonNa play out because it's such a weird situate- situation I'll call it ballroom basketball after you show me those fixtures. Even though I know, they're not playing in the ballroom. Alcoholic ballroom basketball so absolutely wide open. Does that mean it's the hardest one win? Absolutely not I mean the grind of eighty game season having a fight through injuries having to go through the playoffs. That's much harder than this Lou. Agree anybody could win. REAS- I'll put you down for the wizards, and then we'll move from. Or the nets. Feel the tea right now. All right all right good I'm glad we all agree no assery so. It's so ridiculous. Undercut. You guys earning. Get Your Championship. Move on I. Want to take some time to talk about this my aboard. Look at this video here. Jonathan Iron Freeman. Wrongfully imprisoned for twenty two years. He was set to serve another twenty eight. This is the case Maya more dedicated herself to put a hall of fame career and all time goal career on pause. She met irons while working prison ministry executives. There really is a shortage of words, describe the heroism appear, and the paid irons as a state these years, but in the greater sports world I need to say this to all of our diminishment. There's been a shortage of words the detail this. It's highly. One the greatest players in the history of a sport. Stop playing to devote all of her time. to the pursuit of Justice Kevin Blackstone. How do you even begin to describe that? Well it is a singular event in someone's life to do with my more just did as you said. She surrendered her basketball career, which is one of the best we've ever seen in order to get someone wrongfully convicted out of prison, and she successfully did that and I talked to her when the decision came down. I guess six eight weeks ago and she sounded exhausted, but. But she's also sounded inspired and she was inspired because she is not stopping here. This is not her only move. She's created her own organization. Win With Justice, and she is going to pursue the effort in this country over prosecutorial reform and get voters to understand that that's an important part of our legal system important part of voting and we need to get a handle on that. An incredible display of being the change you want to see in the world. What he page I turn to you. How do you even begin to describe a player at at the top their game, one of the greatest players of all time taking time off, and this is the result. When I heard about this I thought are we still could be a special Nobel peace prize for her for what she accomplished. Nobel. Prize, Yeah Yeah I mean absolutely she deserves that kind of attention and accolades for what she accomplished a lot of athletes, a lot of journalist, a lot of people on TV talk the game, but to go and actually act. Act! A good game gave up a career which you'd one four Wnba Championships, and she gave up her chance to go to the Olympics, and really just to devote and dedicate herself to correcting a wrong and making it right incredible. We should all be so proud of her China follow her actions and see if we couldn't help one person in our lives. Jackie macmullan. So my more is an uncommon person I, think anyone that's ever talking to her and KB. You said you just did a few weeks ago. You could tell that right away there's. An inner peace or calmness about my more that I thought was unusual for someone her age when she was in the pressure cooker known as Yukon basketball, but so often we talk about sports, and how life is more important than sports transcends sports, but how many people actually prove that? And that's what my more has done, and I commend her. It's not surprising to anyone that knows her. She's an exceptional exceptional person. would. Frustration here just a little bit. You know reporters talk a good game. Reporters didn't talk about this enough. This should have been shouted from the rooftops as loud as possible. We've heard throughout time. It's always set in a historical setting Mohammed. Ali Roberto Clemente Paul. Robeson did amazing things this is. One of the greatest players ever in her sport. Can you imagine Steph Curry Lebron James Walking away from basketball. Can you imagine Michael Jordan walking Michael Jordan walked away from basketball to play baseball. My walked away from her sports to free another human being to dedicate herself to justice to being the change. She wants to see in the world. This needs to be shouted from the rooftops now is. Grappling with themselves. How can how can I be part of a world that want to? Change the world to be the world I want to see. We thought about this for the last month. Black lives matter and for George Floyd through it all and I just want to once again draw specific attention to my more through ministry here prison ministry. This is how this was her entry entry for anybody, but this was her entry into. Finding her heart here. I am still blown away by all of this. It's hard to even even talk about the selflessness I've called it selflessness, but in reality it's self full. The Myanmar has demonstrated here. We need to shout this from the rooftops. Taking a break right here, we'll be back in two minutes. Presented by Corona Extra Find Your beach part of happy hour. Napa know. NAPA AUTO PARTS STORES NEFF Auto Care. Centers get a twenty five dollars prepaid card. When you get any map automotive battery, it's the best deal for some of the best batteries from some of the best people around, but we might be a little partial any. Any NAP, Automotive Battery and Save Twenty Five Bucks. Do It yourself or have done for you. 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We already have legislation and legislators in this area like eleanor. Holmes Norton. Who have said that there's no way the team can come back to the city with this nickname, a Prince George's County Maryland where the stadium is now has said that for new stadium out there it would change its nickname, so the financial pressure come to bear is going to be the difference. Would it page? Page well I've opposed to boycotts. However, I think that kind of a pressure that that could be applied here by Fedex. By Pepsi Co. by the other sponsors of that Washington football club could make a difference it just a matter of whether Daniel Snyder is willing to listen to to sits being made by people who are paying a lot of money in regard to the football franchise. Jackie macmullan well. We know conceptually Daniel. Snyder hasn't cared about this, but when it hits his wallet. That's tends to be when people sit up a little taller and listen a little harder, but I think you touched on something important. How much pressure will Roger Goodell? Put on Daniel Snyder to make this move. That's what I'm watching. Coach Ron Rivera this week said that's a discussion for another time. That's Bryce me another time and we we just saw time. Eight flag of Mississippi can change and sports being the push to do that. NASCAR race this weekend and indy. Here's the thirty two car. In trump twenty twenty corey joy will drive it. It's owned by Archie Saint Layer. Go fast. Racing remains a decision. We all know the last month of NASCAR well. BUBBA walls black lives. Matter car was praised Kevin. WHAT POSITION IS NASCAR this weekend? Well, it's a political campaign. Tom Is supporting the president. No matter what you think. And it's obviously a juxtaposition to what NASCAR's just gone through Jesus. mentioned and bubble Wallace's black lives matters car. But you know what if we're going to suggest that people should use their sports platforms for political expression. Then it's hard to come down on this. It's part of the atmosphere. Woody page I have no problem with it. In regard to NASC are its head to navigate the no pun intended a tough road last month and a half two months and I. Think here's another uncomfortable situation for NASCAR, but I've sort of been overall pleased with the way the Nascar has been handling the situations and I have no problem with it. I mean if we can have laundry detergent cards sponsoring them of why not the president? The United States. And Jackie macmullan. Yep You can't have a problem with this as a says, we're talking about freedom of expression, but it is interesting how NASCAR has now become. It feels like a flashpoint for everybody who has a statement. They'd like to make whether it's on the car on the track or in front of the Microphone Nascar remains under the microscope. They're uncomfortable. Good, it's about time they will uncomfortable as far as I'm concerned Jackie. Do you see this? We've been talking all week. This is your first Dan the show this week. That basketball, embracing uniforms with social justice causes on it. This could be open for that. Should a player want to wear a pro-life sticker or pro-choice sticker on their uniform? Would it's the my position? It's an interesting question and I think as you've heard Tony that the NBA has asked them not to please. Put the names of deceased people on the back of their jerseys out of respect for their families, so let's see how creative they get going forward in Orlando. It feels like everything's open for suggestion. Doesn't it does to me anyway? And That might not be a bad thing. This discussions everybody says. Well this is the discussion. We're in the middle of the discussion right now. Would he page of so to say? This is the end of your part of the discussion. Is What page it is what it pays. Yes, I've had the scoring there. What do you stick around? No. Episode Up. Check the score your. Jackie macmullan Kevin Black of soda two minutes showdown. Oma born is presented by Corona. Extra Find Your beach part of happy out. The great thing about facts they're proven. The fact that crude oil contains impurities. Their base oil made from natural gas, ninety nine point five percent free of impurities. And the fact that pennzoil is the first synthetic motor oil made from natural gas, not crude oil. It gives you unbeatable engine protection. The proof is in the pennzoil. Based on secret for a test using. Sae W thirty. Ask for it at Jiffy, Lube. For businesses around the world, today isn't a restart. It's a rethink that's why they're partnering with. IBM to change, how they from supply chains to customer service, let's put smart to work. VISIT IBM DOT com slash smart to learn more. The NFL workouts. Players are having that are not supposed to be having. They're having here's Russell. Wilson Thrown Antonio Brown. Good check time, Kevin Blackstone you'd be okay with the Second Flyer on Antonio Brown. I mean I'm not sure that can actually happen. he's got some things still to clear up in terms of his past, and what it would mean being in the league, and you know what women's rights an issue here as well. Let's not forget that. Jackie Mac. I mean I have to take any team that got him would have to start with some kind of suspension handed down by the League and I don't know the last time I signed Tonio Brown. I had some concerns I think. Everyone did about his mental health issues that he addressed those taking care of before. Anybody starts throwing footballs to him. Tooley noted. Split a point we'll move on showdown to Jackie. This is something you said earlier Dwight Howard. Lakers don't know what Howard is fully committed to reporting. It's five days away, so they get to the bubble. Keeping, an open spot worm! How much the Lakers neath White Howard Jeff. They need more people think he was very very important to them. The Guy Up the bench gave them a lot of stability remember he's a first ballot hall of Famer. They need him his. snuffing there, are you still you met? Family. You're making me want to admit that the Dwight Howard is of need to the Lakers that they're going to win this tournament Oh he's been. He's being so low. Lee over. You're exactly right Allie. Rip For no reason is a hall of fame. You write a check. You take the facetime absolutely I battle. So. All the comments in the NBA made this week. One that got me was dame Lillard saying that they're going to all. Break the rules in the bubble, not that he was going to, but he expects that it'll be hard for players to follow the rules. He is so right. I can't wait to the. First Security Guard K. debates. Ted Grant with signed ball and let them sneak out the back door. You know what's going to happen. That time Jackie Chan's we'll see you tomorrow. 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A Solid Defense?

Around the Horn

15:45 min | 8 months ago

A Solid Defense?

"The! Suspect. A rapidly changing college football landscape players voicing their experiences in ways they haven't or ways haven't been amplified more specifically. Clemson and Debo Swinney at the center of that so when he's fourteen minutes on video his second public statement this week again, defending assistant head coach Danny Pearman who used the N. word practice three years ago when he said. He didn't call a player it. and. It was handled internally, and nothing was swept under the rug. Also his biggest stars who've made it to the NFL speaking about the culture of the university, asking for the John C. Calhoun seven President Slavery Defender Honors Program to be renamed for the school to disassociate. That's the Shawn Watson and De'andre Hopkins. Clinton Yates Jackie macmullan Israel. Gutierrez, welcome to the program Jackie I'll I'll start with you here I on DAB. Oh, he certainly speaking with conviction here. How is it registering with you? Well, it's a little confusing to me. I understand I think he's trying to work with semantics here in terms of what his assistant coach said and why he said it. It's still obviously a lightning rod for word always has been always will be any talks about having communicated with it, and we handled it internally. All is well well, then why some three years later is one of your players tweeting about it? And he was tweeting about it, because it bothered him, and yet no one ever spoke to him about it so when I hear these things, and when I when I see a photo of dabble, Sweeney wearing a football matters shirt over the weekend when we're in the middle of this really turbulent time, how can anyone even be thinking about football matters? We're in the middle of this very serious talk about social injustice, so for me, it's. We keep saying this over and over. Tony, it's just the lack of awareness. Please be aware of what is going on around you. Please understand why this matters you know. We did address that that shirt yesterday. Specifically National Football Foundation that was a campaign for character and sportsmanship, and that was worn by by swimming at the beach and photographed just wants Israel Gutierrez. Can I bring you in here as well Sweeney on? Registering with you. I mean it sits very poorly with me. I mean for starters the idea of him saying we didn't sweep this under the rug. Look if he also in the often says this. Dabo Sweeney that he is a coach that he wants his players to develop. He wants to raise men and have this opportunity after this incident to have this conversation in your locker room to better yourself by taking in information from your players and better, your players for just experiencing this and having this conversation that was available to you and that what a good leader would have done in that scenario now it comes across as entirely tone, deaf and Dabbles Sweeney. Digging his heels in at this time about that subject is absolutely tone death, and he needs to speak to his players, and his players most importantly need to speak to him. Clinton Yates on how this is registering with you. It's more than tone-deaf. It's wildly inappropriate for two reasons number one. If you'RE GONNA, go out and tell people that you fire anybody who uses that word under no circumstances, and with no questions asked, and then not do it after describing a person who did use the word. You're not making sense secondarily. If you look at the specifics of that scenario, I've talked before about clubhouse and locker room environments if coast was admonishing another player for using it and had. Had to use that word in order for that to happen in front of other people within your chain of command and discipline is messed up. Let me tell you who's regulated. Who should use that word? Who should we as in black Americans everybody else just don't use it I don't care what the circumstances are. That's the simple way to avoid this problem, so dabble being disingenuous on top of not even following through with his own methods for dealing with. Discrepancies in these kind of language matters. It doesn't add up to me. I'm not buying. This sounds like a guy who lived his whole life in Alabama and South Carolina, which is true. He is speaking from emotion is speaking from his own personal faith. He's gone back to that in both of his public statements real quick since Jackie brought up the t shirt. Clinton you see something different with the t shirt, the football matters t-shirt. Roger Tangent. I'm willing to give a t shirt a pass simply because it's crass. But like it was a tweet. It was deleted. That is not the larger issue for me. What that guy wears on his chest? How he communicates to the black men whose living room she goes into, and they trust him with who they are. That is what concerns me and him regulating their language there one way, or another is not okay and more importantly. It's not productive as we can see. Does anybody think what well let's just talk about the show and Watts one hundred hopkins again. Remember these the two biggest stars to come out of this program and now Hopkins is saying you know the reason why I don't say Clemson. When I'm introducing myself at NFL Games is because of the John C. Calhoun Honors Program and the school. I don't want to be associated with that at all, so I wonder about that specifically Clinton here does that make you think Clemson has some work to do to continue to recruit players still be a school that can welcome all players to the school. Absolutely clemson's campus alone is dealt with issues about this. If you WANNA, look up the story of Tillman Hall, you can do that on your own, but I don't want to single out Clemson when it comes to the notion of names of people in history where reprehensible past being on things that we all use. This is an American problem that happens to be specific to. To the American South I mean Eck Thomas Jefferson created the University of Virginia. You can look around any school. Find any of this stuff so well. CLEMSON has its issues. This school specifically is not the only one that is worried about that kind of thing overall. You see the statue coming around coming down across the globe, not just call his campus, no of course. Course Israel anything. Hopkins were Watson said here. Drill your tension. Yeah, absolutely and I think a lot of people will take that sort of an insult to the history of our country, and and frankly it would be fine if you did, but for those who are saying that look we can, we can evolve. We can improve and that can be what sort of our? Our calling card as the country is evolving as human beings and bettering ourselves, so it doesn't have to be US sort of taking down a portion of American history because of something that he did or supported. That was awful doesn't mean that it condemned everything in the past. An everything that this country stands for. Let's look at it for what it is at Jackie. Listen the fact that the Andre. Hopkins gets on a national broadcasts and refuses to say he's from Clemson University when he gets introduced before a game I, didn't know that maybe you guys did I find that stunning, and if cleanse isn't listening, before I would certainly hope they'd be listening now and try to ask the Andre offense why he feels so strongly about his Alma Mata that he won't even say the name out loud on national television. I think it instructive. All this may be the most obvious. This is higher education. A group of athletes more disenfranchised than the college athletes. The women athletes. Yes, the answer to that question, but we're seeing now. Take their teams to register to vote. That's great. Also great, the education part of higher education. What are we teaching in the schools, right? What version of history are we teaching? I saw somebody in one of the protests or maybe was on twitter. Say this is the White Man's greatest hits. Media here that were. And the question I would ask there is well. How do we change that and look at college? Professors? Roughly eighty four percent are white, and you look at the schools that are named after John C. Calhoun. You can teach that part of history without eliminating it all you just have to speak to it in the truest forms I want Morris. More in the college, Athlete will get to it in two minutes when we talk about Iowa, football. Presented by Corona Extra Find Your beach part of happy out. Continuing this discussion on college, Athletes Iowa another school that is a flashpoint after so many former players came forward, and the school put a strength coach on administrative leave this post from Sophomore defensive back cave on meriwether. Players now, telling fans. If you don't support us now, don't support us. During the football season. We will neal don't come to the game. Don't watch us on TV. If you don't support US meriwether saying he'd rather play in front of a thousand who care about him as a person. Then seventy thousand want to be entertained Clinton Yates. How do you read that? And how do you think this all plays out? I read this as a very courageous statement from a student athlete, who is willing to explain the realities of sacrifice that it takes to be a part of teams like this. He's basically coming out and saying listen. This ain't as fun as you think so all these comments about you guys should be grateful and only stay in your place or marks well, people have to realize they're dealing with a lot of things that flatly. Flatly considered abuse in their eyes, and so the privilege of being able to play for whoever the school is is not always what it seems. I applaud him for being able to say it so plainly. We'll need you there because we really plan for y'all 'cause y'all ain't there when we're doing the work taking the noise from the coaches. I'm really proud of this kid for coming out and saying it the way he did. We haven't heard from Kirk. Berenson Twenty one years head coach at Iowa, the highest paid state employee in the state of Iowa Clinton Yates. How do you think he response to this? Kirk is a guy who's been there for long enough that he can get this not under the rug, but he can speak about this diplomatically enough to change it, but we talked before about whether or not this is going to affect recruiting if Kurt doesn't make it clear that he is going to soften what that program is in terms of how they're bringing people in and how they are basically dealing with the black athlete. That's going to change things big time at because as it looks right now they appear to be insensitive and on top of that arrogant. That's not a good way to look the last week for this program Israel? Coach put on administrative leave spoke about Farren swell the greatest receiver in the history of the school is talked about how kirk undercut his entire career, and is hoped to play pro as well that stories out there as well and now players saying don't come to the Games if you don't support is, how do you read it? So I look at this and I see it very similar to the clemson situation in that it is not just an Iowa. Problem I guarantee you. There are players across the country. Different universities that feel black players or players of color would feel like they're being slightly mistreated or or very much mistreated by coaches, strength coach, or what have you the way I see this one is it just needs to be discussed? It needs to be talked about and I. I am going to say this and I'm GonNa say this a lot I'm going to believe black players. I believe black people the same way we believe women when we talk about the metoo movement and everything else, and if the strength and conditioning coach if Kirk fare does not believe that there have been any wrongdoings over the course of years towards their players, then they perhaps need to be educated on exactly what's been going on, so i? Believe what? I believe all of it and I would like it to be addressed of course and Jackie Mac when you hear player 'til fans don't show up if you don't support as people. What do you think? So I think is he? Hit on the word and its its education. That's really what this is all about. It's clear to me. There's a huge divide between African Americans in our country, and why people live with them every day. We all need to be educated, and that doesn't mean you're a bad person. It doesn't mean you. There's everybody's so defensive about it. If you're part of our program, if you're Kirk for INS-, stop look and listen to a young sophomore on your team. Who is trying to make a statement not just for the program for you as well. Sit Down, listen education. Education is the word. Let's educate ourselves about where we can make. Make this divide smaller. The expression is those who don't learn from history or failed to repeat it and the question I. Ask is what happens if you're never were taught the history to begin with, or the history wasn't accurate time with that's the failing as well. Thanks for your thoughts on this. We'll take a break right here when we come back in two minutes Davin, coke hold out and Ben Simmons workout. Around is presented by Corona. Extra find your beat part of happy hour. delvin cooks hold out. One year left on his rookie deal. This is what the Ezekiel Elliott. Bell the Melvin Gordon Strategy. Is Gutierrez. WHAT POSITION IS COOKING? What position on the Vikings Been? Well if it's a matter of principle, good for him, you know he can stand up for all the running back and stand up for himself, but if it's a financial decision, it can't be a smart one to hold out with the CBA. Because if he holds out, he probably will lose unrestricted free agency by a year, and so that's just cost him money right there. It's not a good move. Do you believe he's GonNa? Play this year? You on bell place? Think he won't give it and I think the Vikings will give in a little Jackie. I think he's going to give in to I understand. He feels underpaid, but there are plenty of the running backs just like him that are underpaid. Look Air, Jones. He's going to make seven hundred and thirty five thousand this year, sixteen touchdowns tied with Derrick Henry for the most in the NFL. Can you eight? He's only asking for reasonable extension. We're standing next to Kirk. Cousins is a lot more money than what we're talking about. It's going be acrimonious, but he's GonNa play because his quarterback. Is that much richer than everybody, but he has to be. NEW YOU'RE GONNA. Last year. We'll move on. Dalvand cokes hold out now. This is Ben Simmons workout. Ben? Simmons Muscles on muscles yeah this is. The photo he posted out here. Now I'm sure you WANNA. See Him taking an shots, but he's he's doing some. Good things have been. There's two good things that are happening about this number one Simitis obviously a big fan of the series workout plan number two is that he's got the karate style had been where you tied at the back of the NBA. Pain, which is ridiculous? Okay? Yes, I get. You got jokes on his look and everything like that last. We talk about Ben Simmons. Is If we need to take a jump shot every now or then him working out with this degree and seeing those muscles Jackie. Mac, does that work for shooter. I'm bullish on Ben Simmons. He's been working Chris. Johnson one of the trainers, and they were working on all sorts of things, ball, handling shooting and conditioning. This is a good thing. Don't turn it into a bad one. Is Real good? As someone with severe, not severe with some back problems. If he's working out like that I know his back is okay. So that makes me happy. The jump shot. We'll deal with later. This is not about your back. Israel, this has nothing to do with your back. Does Ben Simmons Needs Etta jump shot to his game. The answer to that is absolutely yes. Now and he wins pictures. You don't need to see pictures to prove that. He's working on it here, but there is some. Worry that people with muscles can't take jump shots. That's. Right review is real before you. Do at. The park. Yeah, you put it in the back for when you do all right. That's it for us here. Third Win against. Twenty three hour and forty minute break.

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Reaction Pod: NBA Suspends Season

The Hoop Collective

27:43 min | 11 months ago

Reaction Pod: NBA Suspends Season

"We'll have a sense of normalcy here and I just want to tell you that reason we're able to come to you. Tonight is because this show is presented by goodyear. Goodyear is a company that is Iraq. They've been making tires for one hundred years or something like that and we need things out on and I'm just I'm just I'm happy to have the support of goodyear. It makes me feel comforted because Goodyear's hometown for me and so on a tough night. I'm glad that this podcast is brought to you by goodyear and you can find out all about them at goodyear dot com and of course. Goodyear is more driven based collected podcast. We're not talking about the tonight. Which is sad talking about an epidemic which unfortunate and than we ever wanted to do but we wanted to try to get out as much information as we possibly can and what we know so This was a plant podcast. I guess. Emergency podcast but we're not going to talk much about basketball. Is I As I like to I joining us from Boston is Jackie macmullan. Jackie were you well. I think I'm like everybody else a little flummoxed disappointed concerned I'm in New York. I was supposed to fly to London tomorrow. That's cancelled obviously. The New York's New York is going a little bit sideways right now. But that's that's life we're going to be okay Kirk Gold's berries joining us from Austin Texas where South by South West was cancelled was eager to partake and see some friends in and connect and you know went south by got cancelled a week ago. That seems like an eternity ago. Brian But you know the situation just got more and more serious since then. What I'm going to say is that you all know what happened. You all know that the NBA suspended season tonight after go bare tested positive for Corona Virus Oklahoma City. They're going to be other players. Who probably are going to test positive in the coming days. There's a few things though that I just want to say at the top here Ivan paying pretty close attention to this. I was pretty confident that this was going to happen. It happened pretty fast. But it was pretty clear where you're heading down this path and and there's just no way that they could never believe for second that they were Gonna be able to play without fans It was just it was just impossible. We're going to have to suspend the season and I by the way. This is not not reporting anything. I'm just telling you the way life is. There's not gonNA be sporting events played for a while there's not going to be the NCAA tournament. I'm just telling you right now. There's not so we're we're we're just GONNA have to hit pause for a while and the one positive. I'm going to tell you is that this is we have a test since case we have a. We have some knowledge about this. And that's what's happened in China and in China. They unfortunately had the the corona virus start there and in January. I think twenty third Twenty second or twenty third. They shut down the Chinese Basketball Association. The country did what it had to do. mostly Quarantine and locked down in places and the Chinese players have been called back to their teams this week. And they're gonNA start returning to their team's next week and they're aiming to begin play in early April after northerner sees normally went on now. There's a lot of stuff going to happen in this country between now and then but if you listen to this because you want to know about what's GonNa Happen to the NBA think what happened in China is is. Is You know. I can't say it's going to happen for sure here was pretty instructive. They pretty much needed to shut down for two months and It would not surprise me if that's the ballpark that the NBA is headed into. So I I. I think that it's not all bad news. I think we're GONNA be fine. I think this is the right decision. Jackie no one's ever seen anything like this before. What's your response to it. Well if I may say this very quickly I'm not sure I wanNA completely use China as our model just because some of the horrific footage I saw early on during the virus when they were welding people into their homes and pulling people out of their homes. I don't think our country will do that. I've looked more a little more to South Korea. Who had I think well over seven thousand cases and did some things that I thought were pretty effective by aggressively testing. Everybody which is what we should be doing in in Boston here. There's been some. There's been some virus outbreaks and I know a lot of people who have been there was. There was a big biogenic conference. O'brien in Boston it along Marriott and people who are at that conference we're going to end because were some confirmed cases and they were being turned away because they didn't have enough of the tests. So I guess my biggest question when we talk about this is when will testing be readily available to anyone feels they may have been exposed to the virus and I think in the wake of what's just happened with Rudy go bear? I did the math. You're talking about a Brian six arenas in nine days they were at Cleveland. At New York Address Easton Jackie Detroit. It's way more expensive but what I'm trying to tell you is what I'm trying to tell you is tomorrow morning. Anyone was at one of those games is going to want to be tested. Jackie seventy thousand. It's not understand that but it's all the players that played those games played other games. Exactly it's all the officials. It's the whole League Jackie. I mean that's one of my question. All along was the was the officials you know. I said some things on around the horn that the league didn't love the other day when when they were keeping the meeting of the locker room. I very loudly asked. Well what about all the fans in the stands and all the people that are and what about the officials who fly commercially? Who Hand these players the basketballs and are sweating and running up and down the floor during a factor. Tonight they ended up. They did play some games tonight but they cancelled the PELICANS kings game and one of the reasons why they decide to cancel it was because one of the officials in the game had recently officiated Ejaz Game Right. Thirteen hundred officials Bryan have officiated a Rubio Rudy. Gobert game in the last nine days right. And they've all the whole league is going to want my my guest. These are guests is I. I wish I could give you straight honest answers. But he's our guests is my guess is that much of the league will be put into a into a quarantine self a self quarantine and the next few days. A lot of the players in the League are going to want to get testing. They're going to have varying degrees of success. You know one of the challenges with the testing with most of the testing as I understand it as it takes a couple of days to get a result in other parts of the country the parts of the world. They have developed testing. That goes faster. And we'll probably have that soon but I was. Kirke used to work for a for a teeny worked for the spurs for a while. There's no playbook for this but you know what do you think teams are going to be doing in the next few hours next to try to deal with this situation. Well I talked to a few of the teams. And you guys did. A good job describing. Just how fast the spread across thirty organizations and if you talked to any of the teams that Rudy or the Jazz is his interacted with in the last few days you get a very quick very overwhelming sense of urgency and panic. Nobody knows what's the what's going on. Nobody knows how severe this might be for them or their families and this is not just a moment in NBA history or a moment in sports. History it's a moment and contemporary sort of human history on the basic questions. Right now Brian. They're facing some of these teams they're facing the NBA and they're facing All of us are. How can we keep our society safe? And how can we defeat this terrible virus and nothing else matters until we can answer those questions in the NBA As an American gathering places an opportunity To keep some of US SAFER. And that's why it's prudent for them to do what they did today. suspend the season until we have a firm grasp on the situation when you talk to the teams. They just want to know if I have it. My family has it. Am I in danger? Should I be quarantined? Jackie is talking about testing. But we talk about when we talk about. Testing is knowledge and certainty. And we're living in a society. That is just overwhelmed with uncertainty and fear right now And I think if we can if we can get these athletes and their families and these these these organizations in these basketball operation staffs and all the hourly workers by the way mark. Cuban did a nice job on our airwaves tonight. If talking about how the ripple effect how it extends to two hourly workers in these arenas it's just so many people but we all want the same thing we all want to know if we're healthy if we're if we're at risk and our families are healthy and I think what today in tonight's news came down to was the NBA having opportunity to at least help the United States in the international community in the basketball community get a little bit safer But look how can we? The teams aren't team. Or they're just they're just workplaces that are facing this thing and you know organizations are all going to do what they can do to keep their employees safe. So that means the players. The coaches the the trainers the ushers the concession stands people and that's a lot work and so that's another great reason. Brian while laws important for us to pause from the Games. And just make sure everybody's safe. Yeah and I think I have many friends in China and I've been talking them throughout this process for months now and in China. I know that Jackie. I'm not certainly saying everything that happened there. But in China containment worked Containment was able to was able to slow it down and One of the things about containment is you just can't have mass gatherings which is why at the very least they was going to be no fans. I felt like that threshold was passed days ago. There was going to be no fans and I just felt like there was no way that we're going to continue to play games so. I think one of the things that was happening as the League was discussing today. What to do they were coming up. We were trying to come up with some action plans in the event of a hate us and they were taking a look at arena schedules and things like this. So that's what they're now going to focus on. The first thing that they're going to do is make sure their players are taken care of and they're going to monitor the situation and My guess would be assuming that the United States is able to deal with this Like the other countries. Have you know? Italy's in the throes of a right now. Some of the rattler countries in Europe RINTA throws a fit China's ahead of us because they had it first Korea's ahead of us but if we're able to to manage it I you know as long as we're talking about the NBA right here. I feel like there's a good chance that the NBA will get the majority of its season in and then most of its most of of its playoffs. I don't think this is. It's a very sad moment right now. The situation we have to evaluate all of ourselves. I but eventually when things go back to normal which I believe they will to. A certain extent The NBA season. There will be a champion as my belief What other else. You can say Jackie because it all seems so trivial when in the country is now being the office right but you know you you make a very good point. And it's a true point that while we're all reacting to this in true time the League has been thinking about this for a while and teams have been considering as far on mapping out their strategies for if we are planning reading with no fans if we are suspending operations. They've been mapping these things out for a lot longer than we've been thinking about it and you have to put your trust and Adam silver and the rest of the League to to know that they're gonna do everything they need to do to keep people safe. So I don't know I haven't I'm not privy to what. The League mapping out. I don't know if they're going to have a shortened season or if they're gonna go later into Perhaps into early July or something. I don't really know I'm not privy to that information. I'm sure we'll find out in the hours and days ahead But but I believe the same as you that they'll figure this out. I WANT TO PAUSE REAL QUICK. And just tell you. Sport Clips haircuts sportclips now offers Amazon Alexa and Google nest device checking online. So the next time you want your haircut you can enjoy all the features you already know from sportclips and use the mobile APP to check in and you get wait times. Choose your location and get in line. Keep your time to yourself. And then go out. When it's your time and simplify and streamline the process sportclips you choose to cut and they cut the weight and when you're running a business. Hr issues could really cause trouble for you. Wrongful termination suits minimum wage requirements labor regulations and HR manager's salaries aren't cheap. 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Not because I'm feeling this way I just talked about a couple of silver linings here that maybe there's some rays of sunshine and these clouds or indeed. I feel like it. I would say I needed Brian. Hitmaker this this okay. Everything's got make sure they're all healthy okay but this actually opens up a whole lot of possibilities when you know if we're going to allow ourselves a little bit of escapism and talking about basketball if you'll just afford that to me what happens if we get delayed a couple of months here and all of a sudden injured players able to return for their teams. What happens if this time away allows Kevin Durant to to start to play for them for the nets You know what if Ben Simmons who's dealing with this pretty severe injury is able to return for the sixers What if you know if they have to push the schedule back a couple of months the NBA uses it as an opportunity to reset their schedule? A little bit and start the season later and maybe even short and season next season to accommodate a later season this year. Which is something that we're looking to do for a while. One of the things I learned a long time ago in the NBA and the certainly applies to life. Is that very often? Crises create opportunities and Kirk. You talked a few moments ago about how the NBA in all this darkness actually has an opportunity to be a bit of a leader in in sort of educating America and then focusing America on the situation you know when we emerge from. This storm is a possibility that the NBA could have a window to do. Somethings or to bring some things back. That could potentially have the silver lining. I don't know if you guys can see that right now. Maybe I you know in my head. I knew days ago that this was going to happen. So maybe a few days ahead of people in coming to grips with this and so I'm still sort of bouncing ahead. So maybe I'm Outta line here but this one of the things I've been thinking about tonight as we've come to this in my way off base Kirk. Do you think I'm a fool? I don't think your fool. I think you're an optimist. Think a lot of us are definitely not dimissed. Well I think a lot of us are grappling with the basic idea that the shining light on our hill the NBA for for some of us for whatever that's worth is sort of been turned off for a few weeks at least when it comes back on. It'll be greater than ever. I do share that opinion. It will come back on It's just a question of if and when it comes back on this season in the summer who knows But I do think Jackie you know what we can learn from South Korea and pudding. Are you know actions in in the in the hands of leaders and Science and Epidemiology and learning from these folks we can end up at a higher plane from a sports administration standpoint from an MBA standpoint Shirley but also from potentially a public health standpoint? Maybe we'll learn some things here About the greater good So yeah I share that. I'm a little more PESSIMISTIC BRIAN. That we're going to be able to to ask these teams to just pause and then resume and then go play the playoffs. I mean just look at it from a sports science perspective I one team Rep talked me tonight. And he said can we really ask these guys to shut it down for three or four weeks and then just go out there and play in the playoffs so I don't know what the plan might be But imagine me before we made us and we go straight into the playoffs. Is it fair? Well here's my question of players to do that. But Kirk is possible and I don't know this at all again. Total conjecture on my part that way and I don't know if this even possible but when we talk about self quarantine if they self quarantine their team and practices can continue. I don't know the answer to that. Who Does anybody that we that we offer you? Stay by yourself and right right but what I'm saying. Is You do that for fourteen days. And then I don't know I'm I'm really making this up as I go. You know then after the two weeks self quarantine you. I don't know what the League is going to allow or not allow but so you can't start the season back up without any kind of you'd have to have at least a week to ten days of some kind of practice or so of course and again. I'll go back to China. Not because I think they are the beacon of all things but this is what they are ahead of us dealing with this The team from what I understand the teams in China once they got out of self quarantine and feel comfortable moving around because life has gone on in China to a certain extent players have gotten have gotten together to work out and things in China. Now I don't know the shape of the League is going to be China's a whole other situation for example players who have who left and on overseas when they have to come back to China They potentially face a two week. Quarantine overall coming back into the country. And then they have to prepare to play. That's a whole nother mass. That would not be conjecture on right now but again if we look at what happened in China there was some of that from what I understand so right I mean. But if you're Jeremy Lin for instance is that what you WanNa do now I mean? It's it's getting late right. I think Land Stevenson's another player Tyler Lawson. Those are the ones I can think of top off the top of my head interesting question for them. Very interesting question has a different. We'll have challenges. But I do think I will say this stuff basketball. I will say this because this. I mean it's nothing like lockout or a player stoppage like that but I can tell you for all the lockouts I've covered and I've covered more than I wish I had to whenever players come back from a work stoppage like that and this is a completely different reason. Boy Today appreciate the game a lot more. If you know they really appreciate that. This is what they do for a living how much they love the game. The experience being with their teammates. The fans filling up the arena. It really does give them a renewed sense of while this. I'm really really really love this game and I'm fortunate that this is my life's work This is something I are harbor. Hope for our country. I don't know who knows will happen stuff like this can often be a unifying event. So right now I can just tell you as we are speaking here Late on Wednesday night. I'm aware of this but I can only imagine what's going on players are talking to each other players talking the teams. They're very very shaken by this. A lot of them just didn't see this coming and in a way that is Brian because they're in their nineteen. They're in their teens and twenties and they think they're invincible like my kids. Do you know. They don't think they've been making fun of this virus. Now all of a sudden not so funny you know my. I was talking. I was working with Barnes today and he attended Trayvon Greens Birthday Party over the weekend. There was a number of NBA players. There and he said not one in this four days ago he said not one person brought it up when. Lebron was asked about it over the weekend. I think it was on Sunday about whether he would play a game with no fans he completely was like no way. I'm GONNA do that. I don't honestly I don't know this for sure but I don't think he'd even thought about and it sort of showed in the way he walked back a couple of days later. I don't think it had come across the purview of a lot of these guys. So they're processing it late Relatively late in this process and so I think that they're probably going through a little bit of drama and Trauma. Right now as we speak but eventually I think that that will enable it to be a unifying event that they will go through it together and you know most of them are all of them. I hope stay healthy throughout this but I think it will end up potentially bay supplement. They can use it to promote themselves together. So that's what we can hope. I have no idea is Brian. It's not just the players like Jackie and I were both of the Sloan Conference last weekend. And I think Jackie's got a good point. Some young people think they're invincible but it wasn't just young people a lot of us. Were talking about the corona virus nonstop at the Sloan Conference when we should have been talking about new metrics or or sports analytics. But some people coming up and giving people hugs. Jackie I'm looking at you Haifa. So people giving high lives. I think this thing has moved so rapidly. It's caught a lot of us off guard. It's such a dynamic and fluid situation. I can't think of any new story of any kind. That's moved this rapidly in this dynamically from the beginning of Wednesday when I settled into my couch to watch the game. I circled on the calendar tonight. The Oklahoma City Thunder Hosting the UTAH. Jazz which I thought would be nice. Four five matchup in the next three hours. I'm finding out the Tom. Hanks as corona virus that Rudy Gobert has corona virus. I mean this thing just is exploding on all of us so quickly I I don't. I don't think we should single out players. I mean it's happening to all of us in real time. I mean we've come to expect a lot from Lebron but you know that's that's just one question. I can't fault them for first staggering on the first time he I mean. I don't think I would have a good answer for it. When when he had. He was supposed to that question in Boston. I I'll just if I can quickly read the list of colleges and universities that are closed some of these college seniors who are on break some of them are going to try to come back but some of them aren't these they're done amherst college Babson College. Bu Emerson College Harvard Mit Holy. Cross Merrimack Suffolk University Northeastern Olin College of Engineering Smith College. Tufts University of Massachusetts University of Massachusetts Lowell. Wheaton Worcester State. That's what my state is. Deal here. The GOBERT was Justin townes last week. I was at the game. Are you kidding half of the Sloan analytics conference? We were all there. We were at that game. All of my family was at that game. I husband my son to everybody. Everybody I we're going to be okay. I can't promise but I I'm I'm going with everything I'm reading and everything on hearing from my friends in China obviously not everybody was okay in China but most people were. We're going to be okay. We're GONNA get through this and we're going to have an NBA basketball again and we're not gonNA worry about it too much. We're GONNA HAVE PODCASTS. And we're going to talk about stuff and we're not going to be about the corona virus we're gonNA take a look at all the teams and we're going to look at maybe. It's not this. Summer's free agency. Maybe it's this false free agency we're going to. We're going to keep going. We're going to keep talking about not tonight. This is going to be at for tonight. I'm just going to say that we're GONNA come together. We're all going to be fine. I can't I really do believe that. And I'm a realist by nature. Somebody to a pessimist. But they were going to be good and a couple of days. You're going to have a better feel for this. You'd better prepared you better mentally. I know because I'm in a good place right now. I was in a bad place over the weekend when I was realizing this was gonNA happen. So thanks for listening the active. Appreciate you joining US tonight. And we'll be there for you and we'll get through this together. Thank you Jackie. Thank you kirk all right. We'll talk to you just want to say I'm an optimist. That's why I heard you because I'm not I love it and shout outs. All the healthcare professionals that helps goes this thing. Thank you guys so much. Tell us if you knew over the weekend that this was happening. I told you a couple of a couple of days ago.

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