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"jackie macmullan" Discussed on Longform Podcast
"The next morning by the Herald to see if you got beat on anything. I mean, that's just how it was. And so you're on edge the whole time. I always say to Adrian, you know, wow, which everyone calls them oil. I call them Adrian. I used to do that job for like a very small amount of time, and it chewed me up and spit me out. I don't know how he does it. You got to have nerves of steel to do that job. I covered the NBA overall at one point. That was a great job because I got to write the Sunday column. And cover different teams, but again, you had to come up with original content and you had to have stuff that nobody else had and the pressure was itself induced pressure, but it's pressure was immense. I learned a lot from that though. That's where the seeds of credibility are planted. Because you take a stand, you have an opinion, those kinds of things. And that's why Sports Illustrated hired me was to do a Sunday like their version of a Sunday no column in their magazine. There's one form of all of this, you basically just were like, no, I'm not going to do it. Social media and Twitter, you're just like, you're not on them. Nope, not doing it. Yeah, no, I don't have an interest in that. And it's probably goes back to being a woman in the business and some of the mail I used to get in the real mail and just so horrific things about my family, things just horrific things. And I answered every single letter I ever got. You answered the horrific letters? Well, if you're going to answer the lemon field, give me that advice. He's like, oh, they wrote someone wrote you a nice letter. What are you going to do? You're going to take it home, put it in your desk. He said, because if you are, you better put the bad ones in your desk too, because none of these people know you. So if you're going to hang on to the good ones, then you should hang on to the bad ones, or just treat them all the same way. People that don't know you. And he was right. It was great advice. Great advice. But yeah, I wrote back to you. The nastiest ones, I remember once I wrote back to a guy, I said, thanks for writing, although I'm amazed you know how. That's all I wrote. And it was actually an email, and he immediately wrote back and said, oh my God, I'm so sorry. I sent that nasty email. I was drunk. I was ticked off that they lost. I think it was a patriots fan. And you were so critical of them and I love my team and I can't believe you did that and oh my God, I'm so embarrassed and I never should have sent that and I can't believe you read it and now you've answered me and I'm like, okay, well just realize there's a person on the other end of these. That's all. Do you still do that? Yeah, well, I mean, I haven't had to because like I never had an email address at ESPN. There wasn't a place people could send me emails. I think maybe there's comments at the bottom of my stories, but those I don't, to me, that's like Twitter. Yeah, that doesn't bother with that. But yeah, anyone that it just hasn't happened in recent years. But at the globe, it happened a lot, especially when I was young, people would write actual letters. And, you know, a couple of are threatening. One was from an inmate in prison. I had to like we had to turn that one over to the police. Did you write that guy back? No. I did not. I did not. That one, I just took right because that was a little scary. But I think from that, I just learned, just people are knee jerk, like this guy saying, oh my God, I was drunk. I didn't mean it. I'm sorry. I'm not a bad guy. God, I can't believe I said that to you, and I'm sorry. You know, whatever. And then some people don't back down at all. Yeah. And I just thought, well, what do I need that noise in my life where these people don't know me? They think they know me. Why do I want to engage with that? I have a family that I'd like to keep private. I have different last name. Mike Mullen's not my legal name. It's just the name I use for work. Why do I want to get involved in all that? I don't need the accolades, and I don't need the criticism. I don't need either. I just want to do my stuff and go home. Sounds so healthy. Well, I suppose, but the problem was near the end when I was working at ESPN and it had to be on top of the news. You know, a lot of news was broken on Twitter. A lot of things were happening on Twitter. Right. That's part of why I asked is just like, there must have been some professional pressure. Oh, every year, ESPN, the social media team would come up to me and say, okay, you have to be on social media. It's a requirement of your job. It's in your contract. You have to do this, and I would say. Okay, I'll do it. And then they'd go away, and they'd forget. And then the next year they'd say. Because it would be a new social media person because they're all 20 years older. 25 years old to work in the social media. And they'd go on to their next job and they'd come to me and say, we could really grow your platform and I'm like, trying to shrink my platform. You know, I'm just not as my kids like to say I'm marginally famous. That's good enough. I'm not really trying to be someone else than that. I mean, I understand the importance of social media and I admire people who take the time to do it and use it to their advantage and get 5 million followers and all whatever they do. It's just not for me. It doesn't interest me at all..
"jackie macmullan" Discussed on Longform Podcast
"Was there a moment with that group where you felt like you'd sort of made it? Where you felt like you belonged? Well, there were a couple. So one was I took over the Celtics beat, because bob left for channel 5. He didn't get the column at the globe. And he kind of stormed off in a huff and went to channel 5 local TV station for a year. And came back as a columnist, by the way, too. So I had to cover the Celtics, and you know, we're talking about bird, McHale, parish, that crew. And bird had come in late on media day. So media day, you know, they have two a day. So the media day, he wasn't there, and they said, oh, he missed his flight, and I'm thinking, well, that's weird. That guy's particular as hell, why did he miss the flight? You know, it didn't really ring true to me, but anyway, so I was brand new to this beat. I was so afraid I was going to miss something that I went back to the evening session, as well as the morning session. And bird was there, at the morning session, he had said, yeah, I just, you know, I was a screw up with the flight or whatever. But the evening session, he had heard what the GM, GN volk had said, and he was pissed because he felt like they made him look irresponsible. What really was happening is they were having trouble with his contract. So I was there at the evening session. I was the only journalist there. I sat in the stands with GM volk, the entire practice because it was just the two of us besides everybody else. And he was trying to get to know me and whatever. And he luckily had given me his number that night. Again, no cell phones. He gave me his home phone number. So I would have it. Anyway, as practice was any bird was walking off and I grabbed him and I said, hey, I'm Jackie McMullen from the globe. I didn't really quite understand what happened. I just want to make sure I got it right. I'm new to the speed. I want to make sure he goes, yeah, well here. Let me tell you how it is. And he went off. And he was killing gian Vogel. I had just been and by the way, I'm sure he saw me sitting with him, right? I'm sure he saw me sitting, getting madder and madder. He's turning this narrative in a way that favors him. So I was like, wow, so I'm writing this all down. And then I got to go home and call JF. And he goes, didn't I just leave you? I said, yeah, but. And so it was kind of an explosive story. And was like literally your first day on the job. Yeah. Well, not really. I mean, I had been around a little bit before. It was the 18th man in, right? Right. But my first day, I guess my first day on the beat. And so I got there the next day and the other writers were pissed. And the Celtics were mad. Everybody was mad at me. And I'm thinking, I mean, I just was doing my job, you know? And I went into the office that day. And Willie came up to me and he said, good for you, kid. Good for you. And I said, what do you mean? He said, you didn't let anybody talk you out of that. He goes, those are the kind of stories you're going to have to do if you want to make your Mark in this town. You know? And so that was great for me. And then the other one was that the 87 finals. I was the advanced person, so Celtics Lakers, but they would send me ahead of time to do the other team. After that final, the 87 final, I was in the, you know, we had like a hangout room for the writers and bob pulled me aside, bob Ryan pulled me aside and said, you're going to be able to do this. You've done good. And that was like for me, it was like a rocket ship to the moon, just for him to say that. And I made mistakes just like everybody. The great thing for me was my name was Jackie McMullen. So everybody thought I was an Irish Catholic guy from southie, you know? 'cause all you were is your byline. You're not on the radio. I was on TV. So they felt that I was a guy from southie. And I was, you know, a girl from Manhattan, New York, but they didn't need to know that. Right, and so you must have had like a couple of years where everyone assumed you were Jackie the dude from southie. Yeah, I mean, it was December of 82 that I started working there. So it was a good three years before anyone was paying any attention to me. Maybe longer. But it also meant that you had some time to prove yourself just on the merits of the work, right? Like you were just the text. Right. And also out of the spotlight, right? I had a chance to make mistakes without anybody saying, well, that's because she's a stupid girl. I mean, if my name was Barbara macmullan, who knows? I think it really helped me. It wasn't intentional. It's just how it went. Can we talk a little bit about the social dynamics, both of that era of the Celtics in terms of the relationship between reporters and players and ownership and management and how that's evolved to my sense from reading your stuff for so long and hearing you talk about it and this podcast that you've just finished is that you are incredibly attuned to what feel to me to be like really complicated dynamics. Even in that bird story, right? It's your first day on the beat and the best player on the team and the general manager both need to pay some attention to you. Burton care. I mean, bird was going to just walk off the court, but I stopped him. You know, bird never cared about his message or what anybody thought of him. He was different that way. But part of that dynamic still is like the globe is one of two or three places that's going to be writing about the Celtics. You're just by being there, you are powerful in that room in some way. And that power has now changed in sports media. These guys all have their own megaphones and their own way of talking to fans. But the thing that I'm really actually interested in is how you have managed your relationships with these individuals. You've written books with bird written books with bird and magic. You wrote a book with Shaq. You've been partners with these guys. Right. Which is a little dicey, honestly..
"jackie macmullan" Discussed on Longform Podcast
"And I became very good friends. So I was always hanging around the sports department. And then one day I just said, well, I'm going to just try to write a sports story. And I went to Vince Dory, the boss, and he didn't know who the hell I was. And I wrote the story for him, and then I just said, hey, this is what I really want to do, and I'm young, and I'm cheap and I'm a girl. And he said, well, come back in a month. So I went and came back in a month, and he said, yeah, I guess some kind of hire you. I was like, okay. So I was kind of amazing. You know, I dreamed of that. I thought I would end up there. I didn't think I would start there. Why do you think he hired you? I don't know. I don't know. I did write a story for the news department. You know, it was an assignment an intern assignment about a homeless woman that had died on the streets and they're having trouble identifying her. But I started asking all these homeless people about her and it turned out she was kind of a legend on the streets. And so I said to my editor, I think there's a bigger story here and so they let me take a crack at it and I think it was pretty good and maybe that caught his attention. I really don't know. He just saw something. And you know, he knew I was hanging around the sports department. I knew sports. That was part of it. I think I knew sports just as well as any of the guys. If not better than some of them, to be honest, because I lived it. I grew up living it. So I think that helped for sure. Whether I like that or not, that was just credibility that I was given by the players in the athletes I covered as well. Did that credibility for you come quickly? Or is that something you had to earn? Oh no, you had to earn it. It was a long haul and those early years. You're talking about the early 80s. I'm covering colleges to start. There's no real locker room policy. Nobody wants me around. Nobody wants me in there. So you're dealing with all of that. It got easier when I got to the pros because everything was very clear. I had the same rights to access as you did. But with the colleges, it was very murky. In fact, I covered BC football when Jack mcnelly was Jack mcnelly. The greatest guy was such a nice man. I loved him. And he liked me very much, but he did not want me in his locker room. And I said, but I have to have the same rights as everybody else. So they closed the locker room to everybody. So needles to say that didn't make me very popular. Yeah, people must have loved you for that one. Yeah, they loved me for that. But I will say this. I'm 21 years old at The Boston Globe. And I have my holy Trinity of will McDonough and bob Ryan and Lee montville. Who just looked out for me, gave me credibility. By validating me, if you will, and I learned so much from will about reporting and just back in those days, no cell phones. So if you want to call somebody, you got to go to call the office and talk to the secretary and will was the one that said to me, know the secretary's name, find out about the secretary's kids, develop a relationship with her or him. Because is your gateway to these people? And that was such great advice. It really was. And then mine fell was just a wordsmith like I had never seen before. And I'd be in the office, and he'd be writing a column, smoking. He was a chain smoker, drinking a can of Diet Coke, and just agonizing over his column for the next day. And then I'd read it. And I'm like, this is incredible. And he said, I'm not sure I'm going to go with this one. And then he'd stay there. Another two hours and get another whole nother column, a better one. And I'd say, well, then that's great. You can use this one, you know, the next time. Nope, nope. He was just a master, just beautiful with words. And then, of course, bob Ryan is the greatest game story writer who ever lived with an encyclopedic memory and just he's like my big brother. And everywhere I went when I got to the MPA, bob is saying, she's okay. This is Jackie. She's okay. You have no idea how introducing you to players and stuff. And referees GMs and everybody. You know, his brain, oh, I would love to have a peek inside his brain. It's unbelievable. He can remember everything. I can't remember things that I said yesterday. He remembers everything and we were at a lot of great events together, not just basketball. We were there for all the Patriots super bowls and when the Red Sox won the World Series for the first time and however many years and, you know, I remember when the World Series, the first one that they won, Colorado came for, you know, it's the third inning and bob came up to me and he said, do you know what you're going to write? I'm like, no, the cape's not over. He's like, here's mine. It was all done. It was brilliant. And I'm like, and I'm going, oh, Christ. What am I? What am I going to do? And then I just realized, you know, for me, I was just going to write about the actual moment when all of us could finally from Boston, exhale and say, wow, this really happened. So that's what I did. But I mean, I'm thinking, my goodness, bob's got this whole thing done. How did he do that? I mean, that's 2004. That's like almost 25 years into that job. Right, right. Was it hard to find your place among those guys? No, they made it so easy. They were so great to me, 'cause you know, Ian was the sports intern. He was an underclassman, and then the next summer Vince hired him, too. It was a really smart thing to do because Ian and I adored each other, but we were also very competitive. And we were always fighting each other for all the big stories. And he got everyone. He was better than me. He was more creative than I was. He was a better writer than I was. He took chances. He just was further along than I was. I learned a lot from Ian too. A lot. You know, I still think he's one of the, he's written some of the most brilliant, long form stories that's ever been written at the globe. And he doesn't get his doing. I'm not sure why. I don't know how that happens. Why some of us move, you know, get more recognition. I do think television is part of it. Television is such a powerful medium. You know, I've done a lot of television and it definitely raised my profile, but I always say to people, you know, they're like, oh, I love your work and I'm thinking, no, you don't know my work. You're watching me on around the horn. That's part of my work. But my work is writing. I'm a writer. Don't ever forget I'm a writer. Because I'm very proud of that..
"jackie macmullan" Discussed on The NBA Show
"Black athletes in the NBA go to cities in art served lunch at certain counters. Think about that. You know? And so that's something that bonds you in a way that I'll never understand, right? I've never had that experience. So they had each other's backs when it came to civil rights and social justice. And, you know, they were both there when Martin Luther King was assassinated. They both marched together to ebenezer church for his funeral. And so there were a lot of things that brought them together. But I've said this about every athlete I've ever been around. You can like someone a lot, you could be friends with someone, but when you're both trying to win a championship and the other guys in your way, you're gonna do whatever it takes to win that. And of course, Russell kept winning and winning and winning and winning and wilt, well did not. And so, you know, there arc was competitiveness, camaraderie, competitiveness, they didn't talk for many years, and then near the end of wilt's life, they had definitely settled into a really nice friendship. So. But that can't happen till it's over. It just can't happen till it's over. It's like, I mean, I don't know. I don't know, like LeBron and Dwyane Wade, they were okay when they were together, but I don't know what they were like when they were apart. I'm thinking right now, like players versus cities, right? I can't wait to see what oklaho Oklahoma City responds to Kevin when he's retired, right? When they have I just can't wait to see that or where I was relationship is with Golden State or how LeBron's relationship with Miami is when it's all said and done or Cleveland, right? Because there's complicated relationships in the moment, but I can't wait to see what Miami, Miami. They should thank LeBron every single day. Now he left, but again, he was a free agent, didn't force his way out. He did leave them a little hamstrung. You know, the thing about that was when he and Bosch went there and D wade was already there, and they signed those deals. They originally was supposed to be, I forget. I don't remember the length of the deals now, but they added an extra year on it. It really hamstrung the heat in terms of adding free agents to make that team better. And they made some decisions that really put the heat in a tough position, but it didn't matter as long as they were there and winning championships. And then you leave, but you know if you're the Miami Heat and you look back on it and you look up in those rafters, how can you do anything? Retire his number and applaud him. You know, whereas Golden State, Golden State Durant, that's a little trickier, right? I think it's working so far. I think it should, it should. It absolutely should. Because again, he was fantastic on that team and won the championships and the stuff like he could just never be you know this. I'm not telling you that you don't know. That fan base as much as I love Katie, you weren't Steph. It's just that simple. Here's the thing, no one in the Bay Area stuff. No one. Well, that's it. That's right. Not even dame Lillard, you know? And that's just what it is. And by the way, once again, I don't blame Kevin Durant going to Brooklyn. He was a free agent. Not at all. That's what free agency is about. You have a right to move and switch teams. So I didn't blame him a little bit. Before we get out of here, do want to ask, because you brought up something. What is Boston's relationship with Brian? Because it's funny. I think we won't know that we won't know the full extent until this career is over, but he's had so many great moments in Boston. So many great times in Boston. And also the beef with Paul Pierce. What is that relationship like? What does that relationship between Brian and Boston? Oh, no, they hate. Yeah, they hate him, because he took things from them, they wanted, you know? And their heart out every time. Not every time, dear, not every time. In 2008, you know, that's the thing, right? I would say in the end, he came out, you know, with the heat, especially. But with Cleveland, those were those were learning experience for his LeBron. But I think LeBron feels the same way about Boston. They feel about him. There's a real healthy dislike that's just based purely on business, you know? You have something I want. You took it or you didn't take it in. Yeah, it's great to be. I think I'm probably I don't know. I haven't talked about it. I bet he loves going to Boston and shutting those people up. Because he's had some amazing performances there. But he's also had some low moments there. And that's what makes it so interesting, right? I think. Why is Pearson Brown the greatest rivalry never told? I feel like everything I hear behind the scene is so great. It's such a healthy, dislike, I think, respect, but there is a dislike there. Can you just build a curtain back on that really quickly? Well, I just think pierce waited so long to get there. And then now garnette's there. And he finally gets there and LeBron is just incredibly that dual they had was amazing. And so pierce prevails in that moment, but like there's no argument here about who's the better player of all time. Good lord. It's pretty obvious. Right? And so I think in Paul's mind, he's like, yeah, no, but I got you. I got you. LeBron's like, yeah, whatever, man. See you later. How many champions? Wait, Paul. How many champs are you having at one? That's right. Yeah, I got a few more. And he could still end LeBron and also say, yeah, if I had one more piece in that O 8 year, there's a chance I could have beach all that year. Because LeBron had that incredible game that game 7 in O 8. But we could talk about this all the time. Jackie was amazing to have you on. Next time we have you know roger, we're talking NBA..
"jackie macmullan" Discussed on The NBA Show
"So those guys, he was a more natural villain if you want to call him that. But I think magic just wins people over. It's impossible. Why didn't he wore the Celtics gear when he put it? And I think too. And I think too like 87 87 Mikhail's plan on a broken foot. Walton doesn't play one game in that series. The Lakers go out make a great acquisition and Michael Thompson. And now the team, the biggest shift in 86 87 was, they're not going through Kareem anymore. Magic magic gets Riley sits him down and says, this is your team now. We're gonna feature you not Karim and he took that to heart and he was unbelievably makes that junior junior hook over the best front line in basketball. And birds at the press conference afterwards. I was so stunned. I'll never forget it. He's like, he's just the greatest player I've ever seen. I don't even, I don't even know what to say. You know, and it was it was basically bird waving the waving the white flag because the one thing about bird, he always was sure that he would outwork people. Like no one was going to work harder than him, no one was going to study the game more. No one was going to out beat out tough him in terms of a mental fortitude. I mean, he was so mentally tough. He played her all that stuff. But he met his match at magic because magic was every one of those things, just like he was. And so I think that that 87. And there was none of us. None of us had any way of knowing. That was the last time they would ever play each other in the finals. But birds brought body fell apart. Walt never played another game. Mikhail was never the same. And the Lakers went on, as you know, I don't have to tell you the history. And but in 91, when magic got that diagnosis, the basketball all of a sudden didn't matter to anybody. Really, I don't think it mattered to the fans. It's certainly didn't male Larry Bird. Very famously said, it was the first time in life I didn't feel like playing basketball. So that kind of diagnosis. We all thought magic is going to die. I mean, we didn't understand HIV that in fact, people forget this at his press conference, he actually said I obtain the HIV virus. Right before that, right before he went to do that press conference, he was talking with lon Rosen, who was his longtime agent and friend. And he said, let's go over what you're going to say when you get up. And he goes, well, I'm just going to tell people, you know, I have aids, and he said, you don't have 8. You have the HIV virus. Even magic didn't understand the difference. And that's exactly the difference here for sure. Oh my God. HIV, you can live forever. You know, agent can not. You know? And so even we were all educating ourselves on the fly. And I think that's maybe the one time the whole city of Boston. The whole basketball world was kind of like when Kobe, you got word that Kobe died in that crash. I was actually skiing with my family at Colorado and you're just so devastated. And at that moment, what Jersey they wore? None of that matters. It just doesn't for sure. I think before though, I look at old interviews of Larry Bird. And whenever I can find, you know, postgame presses. It was very complimentary of people he respected. When Jordan hit 63, after a win, he called nobody. He's a God exactly. Michael Jordan. What kind of was he? What did it take to earn Larry's respect? And once you got it, what did that mean for you when you got Larry's respect? Well, you know, it's funny you're asking me this because I've been working on a project actually for the ringer that involved a conversation. I just had recently with Michael Jordan about this very thing. And Jordan said, in essence, it validated me. You know, if Larry Bird says your God disguised invalidate you in a real big hurry. He was a young guy. He's a kid. I think this 1985, 86, 86 he made that comment. So yeah, he was. He's 24, 23, something like that. And hadn't become Michael Jordan yet, right? Hadn't won anything just yet. So I think the respect with magic and Larry was there from the very beginning, but there was real dislike. There just was. I mean, they're rookie year, their first game. They had to be separated. You know, bird leveled magic on the way to the basket. And they're staring at each other down. Everybody's got to. Because they were fighting for the same thing. You know? They wanted the rings. And this personal rivalry was stern was smart enough to blow it up. Everybody was talking about it. And so, you know, over time, though, when you're trying to measure yourself against someone in there, every bit as smart as you, hardworking as you is mentally tough as you start going, damn, that guy, that guy's got it, you know? And when did bird admit that he loved magic? When did he admit that he was like, okay, I love you. But I'm a competitor, but I love you. When did it finally, when did they finally become? I think 80 87 was him saying he's unbelievable. I don't even know what to say. But it really wasn't until the HIV diagnosis that he let down his guard birds, not very, he's not very free with letting down his guard. I think at that point, he was very shaken by the phone call. You know, lawn called Larry and Larry ended up talking to magic and very shaken by that phone call. He thought magic was going to die. You know, think about these two guys that have been interconnected in ways that you can't even believe. You know, so one without the other, like Wilton, Wilton Russell, same thing, you know? You just didn't talk about one without the other. And so you're so invested in trying to kill this guy, beat this guy, annihilate this guy, and now all of a sudden, you're like, none of that matters, you know, none of that matters. How much did you brought up something? I didn't even have this, I didn't even think of this, but how much was I've been reading about wilts and Russell for a minute. What was their relationship like? I know there was beef, but ultimately what was from Russell's point of view, what do you think that what was that, did he I felt like he always loved wilt, but there was this, you know, it was competitive it was ego was a book sales. It was a lot of those things. From Russia standpoint. Well, again, very competitive. There was, I think, an understanding back then. Now you're talking 60s, right? So you're talking about a time where..
"jackie macmullan" Discussed on The NBA Show
"When the circus went came to town over Christmas, you'd go back in for a game two weeks. Those Celtics would always go on the right road over Christmas because it had either the ice capades or and or the circus. And you'd come back in and it smelled like elephant poop. You know what I mean? Like it was just, it was nothing. There was nothing state of the art about it, but I loved it. You got to know the guys that put down the floor. The garden floor was literally squares of parquet's that they had stacked up in the back and they literally came out and put them down. There were dead spots on the floor and you got to know where the dead spots were if you'd played there a bunch of times. It was an incredible atmosphere because it was always sold out. Always, not sometimes always. And the fans were there early, and they were raucous, and sometimes they were over the top. Horrible, honestly. Bad fans in terms of opponents. I didn't always love what I heard. I was a young Bill Simmons there. He was too young, I never saw him. I swear to God. He was younger than me. I didn't see him around much. You know? And whenever I did see him was so incredibly respectful to be honest, you know? And he was a guy that I remember I met him once in a restaurant I think. And he was just, I only talked him for a few minutes. He came up to me and introduced himself. And he asked me some questions and I just thought, wow, that kid's sharp. Just the questions he asked me, you know, and he was a fan. That was always the difference between. I was still the difference between us. He starts saying we, and I'm like, I want to die. I want to crawl into a rock. We were taught like we. You know, you gotta be willing. Some of the hardest things I ever did was to write difficult stories about Larry Bird at the end of his career who was having trouble coming to grips with his limited physical capabilities. This guy that obviously I admired from watching what he did, you had to write some tough stories about that Dennis Johnson, one of my favorite players of all time. As he grew older and these young guys, Brian Shaw on some of these young players coming in, it was affecting his playing time, and he didn't handle it well, because none of us do, right? It's hard when someone comes in and replaces you and so that was some of the hardest stuff writing those stories. But we had relationships with them like I remember, I wrote a story about Danny ainge, and I called him hyperactive. I was kind of making fun of him for being so hyperactive and we were at the finals and we were they had us all on the court on the garden court doing interviews. And the maintenance men were fixing some lights and they had these long tubes of glass like on the table and so anyway, we were going by and I must have had my bag my hand and I knocked one of the lights off and it broke, you know, and it made a noise and they were like on the court. And they're all looking, they turn and look at me and I'm standing on this. And Danny Angela to me goes, yeah, you're a little hyperactive over there, aren't you Jackie? You don't like they? They do those things. They act like they don't read. They act like they don't read, but they read everything. They all played everything. I liked it. They really, they held me accountable. You know, I wrote, like I said, I had to write some stuff. Sometimes it was difficult. There were no like you said holding accountable, right? And I think that that gets misconstrued a lot. Because I think my error versus your era, we have Twitter now, right? So when players say, when players say we're holding you accountable, they do it in front of the masses, right? And I get it. And I'm not mad at it. I'm just saying it's just a difference in errors. When was one of the first times you got held accountable from one of the Celtics held accountable in their eyes. And how did that affect you? What did you do when that happened? How did you work through that? Who did it? Well, how did that work out? Danny, Danny, Danny was good in that if he didn't like something. Like Danny had an argument with Jimmy Rogers who was the head coach. He had been a long time assistant and then was the head goes. This is kind of at the end. Things are not going well. The dynasty is fading. And Danny and Jimmy had some words. And I was there, I saw it. I was a game. I was on the road with them, I saw it, and then I thought I asked Danny about it. But then I found out some additional information and asked Jimmy Rogers about it. So anyway, the story I wrote, Danny didn't like it. And he said it was inaccurate. And he said, why didn't you ask me? And I said, he did. He said, but you didn't come. And he was right, by the way. He's like, you didn't come back to me. You should have come back to me and asked me again and he's right. I should have. He was right. And so he's like, you know, you made this out to be something it wasn't. And so I had to eat that one, you know? And had to come back the next day and reframe it. No, and that's like, I'm okay with that. I take we all should take what we do with that report very seriously because again, without Twitter without there were no text messages or.
"jackie macmullan" Discussed on The NBA Show
"Just interesting when I hear when I hear a narrative of them leaving because it's always coming from one source. It's always national media that's saying, oh, we need to break them up. We need to do all these things. When I was researching for this pod, I see everyone in Boston says, no, keep them together. Everyone who I know is in the know like, OG, Gary washburn, who we both love. But where is that narrative coming from? I have my own opinion, which is I feel like we're in a star culture league where as soon as something doesn't go right, we need to make a move. We need to do these things. We need to do these. And when I see them, they're so young, why would you trade them? What would be good at training them? You just make the team better around them. Is what I would think. Why do you think there is the national spotlight of, hey, break these guys up immediately. And then now, when you go locally, it's Boston. Well, I think if you're watching them play and you're a national media person, you watch them play and you're like, they don't fit very well together. They don't make each other better. That's the whole idea. Make each other better. And they don't do that consistently. They just don't. What happens is when the game gets, you know, they start falling behind. Both of them are like, all right, I'm going to go, but I'm going to do this. I'm going to take care of the hero ball. It's classic hearable. I'm going to shoot this 32 foot three pointer over three guys, you know? There's a lack of recognition times of how you get back into a game and get the best shot you possibly can. I go back to it again. How do you do that by keeping the ball moving? You cover the Golden State Warriors. You know what? I'm talking about. You keep the ball moving. The ball doesn't stick. Keep moving. Too much. So the league right now, Jackie. Too much ice on the leak. I agree. So I think the problem is, how do you get Jayson Tatum and jaylen Brown to look at each other and say, all right, I'm gonna figure out a way to make you better. We can make each other better. Let's do that. And I don't think, see, I think the thing that's unfair with these two guys, and they're feeling it. I know they're feeling it. I know the whole team is. I think Marcus smart just said the other day. It's us against the world. No one believes in us, no one. And he doesn't, he has to understand why people are frustrated. Because they play that game in Portland and they should win that game. It's obvious they should win that game. And they don't, and you know what? You know what's even worse? You're watching it. I happen to be watching it. And I'm like, they're not going to win this game. And they're up 6 points, but I just I've seen it too many times. I know they're not, and they stopped doing the things that got them the lead in the first place. Again, playing good defense getting up in people's grills scoring off of other teams turnovers, all of those things. I mean, I'll give you some numbers if you want. I mean go ahead. They're offensive rating. Number 22, their assist percentage, 20th in the league. Three point shooting, 22nd in the league. Those numbers assist to turnover ratio 21. I mean, what does that tell you? The ball isn't moving the way it should be. It's funny because this question is either gonna make Joey cry or it's gonna make him jump for joy. But it's a Jayson Tatum question. And I don't like to do the Internet questions and things like that, but when I see a Boston Celtic where in a Lakers Jersey and I'm not saying you're gonna go to the Lakers, but I'm asking, when you see that, that gives Boston you're in there. That gives Boston some level of what are you doing? This is a fan base that sees that, you know, that rivalry we both know about that Robert Gerry west did not want to wear green. It's that serious. I'm not asking if he's going to the Lakers. What I'm asking though is what is the long-term viability of Jayson Tatum and Boston in general? When you see a guy that is Boston is a fan base that cries out for loyalty, which is why the vitriol for Kyrie is so is what it is. What is that? By the way, Kyrie was, by the way, Kyrie was a free agent. So here's the thing. Yeah. Kyrie Irvin didn't force his way out of Boston like you didn't in Cleveland. He was a free agent. He was free to go. But I think that says to a point when I look at history, the Celtics won the majority of their titles when there wasn't free agency. Where there were guys that wasn't afraid to see in the way that it is now. And see guys that because of the search circumstance stayed for ten years, Robert Paris was there for a whole decade. Larry Bird was there for a whole decade. And then before. And then you get to love these guys and it's a different relationship that you have with these guys, even going back the red hour back Boston Celtics. But I think now it's a different era and you know Boston is, like I said, loyalty. But back to Jayson Tatum and this new era where there are guys that players have more power than they've ever had before. They have earned that power collectively bargain power. But where do you see him going? We're not going, but where do you see him being that lifelong Celtic? 'cause it's hard to see him put on a Lakers Jersey and then and not ask questions. Yeah, so I can't answer that. I think the bigger concern for the Celtics should be Jalen Brown because his contracts up first. I'll be more concerned about what jaylen brown's doing then Jayson Tatum at the moment. They're not trading Jason Tatum. I don't think they're trading Jalen brown either. I guess unless and this is pure speculate. I'm not saying this is going to happen. But, you know, at some point, Jalen Brown says, you know what? I'm not staying here. I want to move on, you know? Now that hasn't happened. That hasn't happened. And it may never happen. But if on the Celtics, I'd be more concerned about jaylen Brown first than I would Tatum because he's the one that's coming up first and he's the one that's clearly number two. Jason's number one, Jalen's number two, and so I don't see why I think the Celtics have done everything they can for Jason Tatum. I don't think so too. I don't know what else they could possibly do for him. He plays tons of minutes. He's featured in every ad. He's, you know, they've promoted him for every award. I don't know what else they could do for Jason Tatum and I don't get any sense that Jason Tatum is looking elsewhere, but you know what? If this keeps happening and the scrutiny and the criticism, it's hard, man. If you're him, you're like, what do you want me to do? I just dropped 51 on the wizards and my boy Bradley Beal, you know? And that's the thing about young players is their jump players are a lot more thin skinned than they used to be..
"jackie macmullan" Discussed on The NBA Show
"Marcus smart's one of those guys that every game he does something you go. Wow. I was there, but he goaded James Harden into two offensive files when he was playing with the Houston Rockets and literally stole the game from the rockets who were a better team at that time. So I have great respect and affection for Marcus smart. Jason Tatum's a young guy, he doesn't strike me as he's not. He's not a killer. Let's get in people's faces. Jaylen Brown, I think likes to lead, likes to express things, but there's too many too many voices all in the mix and not one voice that's saying, come on, let's do this. And you have a young coach of rookie coach. He's been on the bench. He's been in the league a while, but he's still a rookie head coach. And everyone will tell you that going from that assistance to the head seat is a big transition. So I don't see this team doing anything this year. And I wouldn't be surprised Logan. If the Celtics front office and the ownership says, you know what? We're in the luxury tax. Let's get below the luxury tax. This is a last year. Let's decide at the end of the year, or I'm pretty sure they're going to build around those two still. Tatum and brown. Let's decide how we build from there. Is Marcus smart a trade piece. So what you ask me, what will they do? They need a shooter. They need a three point shooter. They need veterans. They need a point guard. I just really think and I don't hear them ever say that, but that's what I think they need. And so Schroeder, they're paying shrewder almost 6 million. He's a bargain. He has good numbers, but he's part of the problem, frankly. And he's, look, he's playing for a contract. He is, playing for contract, he's playing for numbers. The ball sticks in his hands. Ball movement. I want ball movement, the guy that makes the extra pass. Some of the people in Boston McLaren for Isiah Thomas because what a wonderful short, but brilliant. He had right. But he's not what they need. He's not what they need either. They don't need another score. They need someone that can distribute the ball and help the shooters they have. Maximize the abilities of those two guys. And like I said, was doing it earlier. They kick it back out to him. He's teams are leaving him alone for three. And everyone's going to play them zone. Because there's no shooters. I mean, these myths, you know, they drafted him, thinking he was going to be the guy. He can't get off the bench. She shoots 25% from the three point line. He's lost his confidence. You asked me what I would do? I would play him more. Pritchard was buried at the end of the bench and then had to play because of COVID stuff and it got a little run in and he got his confidence back. And now he's part of the rotation again. And he's helped them a bit, you know? It's funny. I want to go back to what something you said about getting it too early. And just the overall. And I think that made me think about when I look at the Celtics. Now, they drafted really well, Danny ainge got he hit on jaylen Brown and Jayson Tatum. But there was so much turnover. Talk about Gordon Hayward leaving. Kyrie leaving. Yeah. Brad Stevens leaving the bench, which I don't think a lot of people put enough stock into. That is a big deal when you're seeing someone every day and then you put a whole nother new guy into the fold. How are we not giving enough are we not giving enough respect to the fact that this team has had so much turn over because I feel like in hindsight when we see this team when we see when we look back at this group, it could, on the one hand, it could be, oh, it was a disaster on the other hand. It looks like it could be this is the optimism in me showing a team right before the run because it needs to be the roster has holes in it. I look at their front court. I look at their like you said your point guard. You have a guy like Schroeder playing for a contract. What has led to so much of the turnover for someone like me who was on the West Coast who doesn't see as much from the Boston angle? What has led to so much of that turnover in hindsight? Well, it's a good question. And one thing you were listing all the turnover, remember, Al Horford left. Yes. He left for the sixers and Al Horford was supposed to be a big part of what they were going to do. And he left. Why did he leave? Why did Gordon Haywood feel so compelled to go to the Charlotte hornets instead of staying with the Celtics? And I think there were some how am I going to phrase this? Maybe misunderstandings about what was promised or expected of those players. You know, I think Gordon Haywood thought he was going to have a different role now. His injury was catastrophic. It changed everything. That's nobody's fault. That's nobody's fault. But he came back, the team had changed somewhat, and now he's a third option on this team. But I don't think they ever made him feel like a valued, in my opinion, just in talking to people around Gordon Hayward and Gordon Hayward himself. I don't think he felt as valued as he probably should have. And people in the city where he took him a while to come back from that injury, he wasn't quite the same. And people just completely undervalued how important he was to them. And look, the first season, how big was that first season when the 2017 18 season when they balled out and preseason that year? I remember it was and then you have the Gordon Hayward injury, but I think that speaks to how good they were because they were one of the top teams in the Eastern Conference. And then you have a Kyrie injury that when he gets injured rolls are automatically shifted, Tatum has the big year than jaylen is showing promise how big was that season when you have guys. Would you have expectations of what your roles are gonna be? And then people Terry Rozier has a great year, but then how big was that season? See, there's another one here. It was having a great year and you knew you weren't going to keep them. That man, you got to trade them and get some form at the deadline. I mean, look at your student. Doing for the Charlotte horse. So you talk about drafting. There were some hits, but there were a lot of misses. A lot of misses. And you know, you look at their roster. Now, and some of the guys that are gone, it just, you know, I don't think the last three or four years have been very good in terms of the front office for Boston, honestly. And Tatum, that was a brilliant thing. You pick them, you get the swindle the pick out of the 6s for the first round pick. But you know everyone made a big deal about the trade for let's go all the way back. You move Garnett, Pearson, you get all these first round, this plethora of first round picks from the Brooklyn Nets and you know all this and the Brooklyn Nets are in ruins and the Celtics fleece them and now here we are, the Brooklyn Nets are a team that's companioned for the championship. And the Celtics are like, are like Joey's beloved Lakers just in the mediocrity trying to set a chance at Kevin. And they see Kevin. And I think you know they gave a good effort there. The problem, Boston has always had the same problem. It's been a very difficult free agent destination forever. And that's always been true. And I think Kyrie leaving with some dominoes.
"jackie macmullan" Discussed on Around the Horn
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"jackie macmullan" Discussed on Around the Horn
"Eight hundred. Eighty eight shows parole. Jackie nick loan winner last show. Who's here to pick her. Audit showed up mr bob ryan. How great is this for you guys bob. You met jackie at the boston globe. And she was a news intern. You gave way to her for the famous boston. Celtics beat you gave him the notebook. It's one of the great stories in all sports reporting and you were elbow-to-elbow of course on press row for countless games and then in the hall of fame together bob. When did you know. Jackie was special. I knew she was good from the start. i said. hey this young lady knows what she's talking about. We're talking to equals as unequal right away. But i knew she was special when after she took the beat for me for the eighty seven eighty eight season free months and people were saying what was the name another guy and she and she immediately got in on the right wavelength with the most important person number. Thirty three larry bird. I had done. I was done a book. Larry sheets done toe. I mean what can i say. So i mean she's out. But i am so proud of the way. Her career is progressed so proud to have known her and this is a big loss to our industry is not going anywhere. That's the wonderful thing about you. She say she has priorities in life. Jackets and i'm gonna talk to you about right now. I know it's been hard for you to hear all this and stay quiet just a little bit longer. How do you tell somebody what they mean to you. You open up your heart and you put it outside your body and then you get a photo of that person from before you knew. Then that is moderately embarrassing but really is awesome. Let's look at this photo. Jackie.
"jackie macmullan" Discussed on Around the Horn
"Lasted four and a half the wrong demographic to be asking this question all right fighters three the most important story today. Jay don byer sell jackie macmullan. Let's go around the horn and have to buy jackie macmullan. No one else can use such a wide range of forget such wide range out of the word dear. She can use dear to verbally embrace you. She hadn't seen for a while. She can also use their which is getting ready to slice dice. You with a barrage of bax and just make you want to curl up in a fetal position on the show. I've been fortunate enough to have both used against me and for me. Thank you jackie. What he paid by or fill. Jackie macmullan selling that. she's retired. What in the world are you doing to us. You're leaving jackie. You probably don't remember november twelfth two thousand and two. You're on your first show with me. Tj's timers jay mariotti. You beat me. Then you're going to beat me again today. Coming in going out in two thousand seven world series. She was attacked outside her hotel room and she was able to get him to go away by szigeti restoring. I want to hear more about that. and and bill plash fire cells. jackie macmullan. I'm going to buy this without crying for eighteen years with jackie and the best partner show. Jackie is after the show on the drive home. The phone rings. You look at its jackie matt. Call into talk about you..
"jackie macmullan" Discussed on Around the Horn
"This make sense or the patriots. Better with mac. Jones starting to the patriots. Do cam newton dirty. go ahead. no. I don't think they did it all tony and listen. Let's go all the way back to the draft when the patriots used a first round draft. Pick to take mack jones. That's the day we knew that this was going to come. Not sooner or later. We didn't know i do. Think that cams cova difficulties played into this. The fact that he's unvaccinated. I think that was a problem for this team going forward but most of all. Here's what i know about bill bill. That's what i've always known about him. He's going to put the player that he thought won the job. Out there and mack jones won the chanaka. You see this as the patriots in some way. Doing cam newton dirty. No i think this is the world that we live in teams owners. We've all had to adjust. But in their cases they've lost tons of revenue behind cova protocol and cameras refuses to get vaccinated. I don't think that the margin was exceptionally wide in terms of what we saw from both of them in the preseason but that too is the problem you gave them a reason and so here we are even if you buy that somewhere in their camps ego he didn't want to be the backup at the root of this. You look at all the the folks that are on the ground at the root of this. The common denominator is vaccinations to add. Emily cap. I think they didn't cut a dirty look. The patriots always handle things their own way but even this was baffling by their own standards. Why give cam all of these preseason reps including the two with the starters this weekend why if you didn't trust him throwing did you not let them run it all. That's what he's best at. Why trotta half version of this guy. I'll postseason waste preseason and everybody's time you know the thing with cam newton is. I don't think he ever got a fair shake. We know that they have more opt outs than any other team last year. He wasn't the same after he got kelvin. It's just a really weird ending to a really weird tenure. I don't know if this if this day is about decisions. But i think it's more about consequences and when you are not vaccinated. Nfl especially when you were a quarterback you are a liability you are not going to be a reliable starter for the patriots or any team and we. We've seen a couple of quarterback now in this preseason miss those five days when they when when they are not vaccinated and i think the patriots going into the beginning of a season. Jackie said this was going to happen at some point this year. Just a question of when why not do it. Now i mean. They made the decision to bench him. Totally release the monica. But if cam newton is stuck in the covert protocol because he was have come up with this scenario of cam potentially picking up the virus right but even if his vice versa and say that matt came with it if he's in that same small group like he goes on the protocol to and you're out so jackie or the patriots better today. I believe they are listened. Mack jones can distribute the ball from. They're not going to ask him to do too much much like a young. Tom brady but i will never make that comparison.
"jackie macmullan" Discussed on The Bill Simmons Podcast
"That means you can win one hundred and fifty dollars on a five dollar. Bet malcolm godoi blink test right now game five. Who'd like i like. Phoenix felt like phoenix. Was i felt throughout. Like even in the midst of third quarter i go. Everything feels easier for phoenix. Remember last year. How much time we spend on houston oklahoma city and then ends up going seven games. Everything felt like it was tough for oklahoma city score. Everything fell easier for houston yet. It's so things celtics heat was like that too. So i just i think things still feel easier for phoenix. But here's what. I don't understand like when eight picked up the two fouls and like credit the monty williams for putting torrey craig on jaanus. But then it's like hey let you get a couple more possessions with a head of steam coaches hate this ship. Like for all the case stuff coach k. Coached against fouls better than anyone. I've ever seen at any level and you're likely going to have somebody take a shitty three at some point anyway. So why not just have gone with steam. Be like hey just drive at eight and three more times. If we can't get him out of the game for a little bit or why did you. Why can't we attack harden with a hamstring injury or. Why can't we attack certain ups. That coaches are so stubborn again. Everybody thinks they suck all the time. So it's a weird personality trait the have anyway such a weird job but i mean how long did it take before we finally saw the middleton ball handle jonah stuff where you're so freaked out about yoenis says the roll man. That middleton has a lot of room and that's what won the game tonight. Yes sometimes i wonder if the coaches saving it to the last second or the last quarter though like when they really need it like four quarters. But i'm gonna break this out when i really need it all right sir. Solo likes to send game five welt with fan. Does sportsbook if you do win getting your money's lap you'll get paid little twenty..
"jackie macmullan" Discussed on The Bill Simmons Podcast
"Where unlike middleton i feel like middleton like booker like chris paul knows where his spots are breaking roll and i think drew was kind of taking what the defense gives him and i think that just that just puts his sons defense especially eight. But i mean they're all kinds of their conservative and deceptive. You know they want you to take. Low percentage shots. So they're going to try to go into those And withdrew going the row of okay. Let's he's kind of just seeing how much closer he can get to the rim essentially and that's just a great way miss layups over deandre eytan essentially. That's kind of. That's kind of what's been happening to him. All series as opposed to like you know middleton just being a little bit more methodical. But i agree with jackie honestly. I just think he's doing a law is the set. This is going to go six. At least it might go seven. I think you wanna use him to just try to wear down chris. Paul and booker in whatever you can get from him like considered a bonus but honestly like it's like what you said. Jackie when you have when you have that type of mentality or shooting stroke or whatever you wanna call it Maybe it's just a moment of self. Del like whatever it is. You can't guarantee that that guy is always gonna be consistent. Like i don't really necessarily want to be running much stuff for him Honestly i would lean if you need to lean even more heavily on middleton and pick and roll like. I feel like that's a big reason. They also didn't turn the ball over very much He was just he was just really good in it So yeah. I think don't know i just i just feel like drew. Holiday deserves a bit of a defense. I get that. He's not shooting well and everybody is kind of focused on that. But it's just he's doing so much like full court press in the nba finals for a whole game. Like try squatting down that low for like for like five seconds you know like for me five seconds but like it's just yeah it's it's it's really incredible. He's also he's creating a ton of points with his steals like he's he's creating good offense for them. It's just not in the way that you know Chris paul or booker or middleton does sense sear. it still hasn't been line for finals be potentially with two big games may be st. I had a. He was nine to one before the finals. But it does seem. I guess jaanus or booker now. The way this series is yeah. Those would be yeah you to candidates. Hey some folks are quick to doubt the rookies or even understate. Their excellence their playoff series. Make no mistake. This is their time to shine and show out with career defining moments on that court. Here's a famous on minna. Go way back for your thinking about. Overlooked rookies Tom heinsohn who passed away recently. legendary celtics announcer hall of famer really great underrated player but as a rookie. Nineteen fifty seven celtics. The celtics had never won. The title goes to a game seven against the saint. Louis hawks bob cousy is terrible. Bow cousy goes to for twenty. Can't make a shot. He got bill russell. He's a rookie. Not totally an offensive player. He's only scored nineteen They need a hero. And who's the hero. Holy cross his own. Tommy heinsohn rookie puts up thirty seven points. Twenty three rebounds seventeen for thirty three Was awesome and fouls out in double. Ot what happens to this game goes to double ot heinsohn vows out. Famous shot of him crying on the sidelines. Can't believe he found out at the celtics end up winning the game in the last minute. They win by two. He gets carried off the court. There's a famous photo of him All these people surrounding him. It's one of the great rookie moments of all times in the finals. You heard about magic in nineteen eighty heard about some other ones but i think that was the first great one and that's a wrap. Just like these rookies like tommy heights at one on the court you can win with your insurance getting the personalized service of a local agent offer. Surprisingly great rate with state farm like a good neighbor state.
"jackie macmullan" Discussed on The Bill Simmons Podcast
"Did you find this theme. I mean i remember very early on billy ensure you remember this to one of the knocks on yaas which seems laughable now was did he really have a good motor. I mean that's pretty funny when you think about it now because his motor to me is like one of his greatest assets but i remember very very very early when he first came into the league. People were wondering yeah but does he really work hard enough does he play hard every minute of every game and i wondered if you came across that when you're going through your research no i didn't catch anything like that but honestly like i wasn't i i was looking more at videos and of him shooting. I was reading old stories Yeah no what i found was just i mean his touch. Anybody can go back and watch his His shooting was just way better at least like at least in terms of how it looked Concerning is it stayed the exact same pretty much byzantine career and not just like from the three point line. Obviously the free throw line has gone worse but like if you kind of look at his chart from literally everywhere other than the rim it's either stagnated or gotten worse and it's all kind of like the low thirty area which is strangely tenable in the nba finals right now. I remember that drafts. 'cause i did that draft so we'd do all the research teams only six nine anyone who you can't give anyone shit for missing on jaanus in that draft because nobody knew that on a growth three inch on this monster. Though the comparison was like all right what is this is this. You're just watching these dumb clips of him and these jams. You know who's playing against all right. This is a sixty nine. Athletes is seems really. Fluid is this tracy. Mcgrady is like shorter kevin durant. Nobody was thinking of him as dominant big man. It was all in your head. It's like four which is back to sarah's point of like his shooting did look a little little better. he wasn't the free that he'd become. I think what he's figured out there. Is there a regular season version of how he plays. Were shooting more threes. He's trying to make it easier for himself. But then in the playoffs when you're bread's buttered in your team really needs to happen. He's just better around the rim and is stop. Start his second jump ability which i forget who coined that as a noun. But it's a good down but just his ability to be around the rim quickly which peaked with the eight and black That's that's that's where ultimately like he's truly great and that was not there and in the two thousand fourteen draft. There is no sign that he was going to become. That guy you know. He's literally twice the size. Now yeah right. And i think his first season also that was not. You didn't see it either. His first season in the league. You know and i'm not so jackie. Why do people think. I don't know i think i maybe it was because Maybe he was just tentative. You're a new player. I mean i remember joel. Be talking to me about plane. You know he he. Luke bomb day is his fellow. Cameroonian is the one that got him to go to this camp and he was playing at it and he's looking at all these players around him and he's like i don't belong here so rather than screw up on just not gonna do anything to draw attention to myself. Does that make sense so so much of this game we forget. These guys are they're world class superstars but they have issues with confidence. I mean ben. Simmons is again is exhibit. A i think players lose confidence or gain confidence depending on what's going on in their trajectory. And you know janas so early on You know jason kidd by all accounts did some good work with him. Spent some time with him. Got him got his confidence. Got him you know. So i i just find interesting like not. Every guy comes in the league like Oh pasquale siaka to be as the example whose motor just on on on and then when he gets tired. You know after a couple of years of that and your team is faltering and you're not playing for the championship and now all of a sudden. Everyone's like what happened to him is motors broken. You know it's kind of a tricky. It's a tricky way to go through the league to have that to be your biggest asset. I gotta say like. I why i always enjoyed john s but i never truly basketball loved him right. I just had gained so much respect for that did really since game. Five of the brooklyn series right. Read that we feel like they lose this game it. It coach buds to get fired The whole jaanus narrative of just like. He's a robin not a batman. All that shit starts and maybe he should have been afraid could assign luca luca to carry them all that stuff and the way. He's responded to all that the amount of pressure that he's had on him which we've seen a lot of guys fold from over the years especially in this stage we've seen guys crater. We've seen great great. Like magic thinks the fit best wherever like kief fell apart in the ninety four five dollars like literally fell apart to the point. Where we're like. Does this guy what happened to this guy. And the fact that. Yana sl not only fought through that but then got injured and came back. The way did and it was playing her in all the stuff he's navigated. Wow the impressed. Like i really hope that if milwaukee ends up winning the title and then it's great for mir spoke of this would be the other other benefit for us but Okay so we love mirren but But i just think it's such a great story this kid for this from greece who comes in grocery inches and then we kind of decide what he is and then his no. I'm actually not that..
"jackie macmullan" Discussed on The Bill Simmons Podcast
"Yeah but that that's one way or the other way would be if it's just a really ugly game if it's like a ninety two to ninety you've figured out us we figured out you and this is going to be a rock fight which i actually really think would benefit walkie. Where do you think out of two scenarios. What's more realistic. I think i think the other thing they can do is Is go to lopez a little bit more too. I mean we've i think it's something that a lot of people have talked about especially since they went to him after you down but this is kind of a series. It's tailor made for them to keep just pressing on on on on the front court. Yeah yeah and they're getting. I mean they're getting pressure points the perfect way to put it. 'cause i mean the wall it's kind of it's kind of like a young piece of cardboard really. It's not really wall It's it's getting closer to going down every day. Like you've kind of seen a few of those guys they've they've taken their hits and it's getting tougher and tougher so you know for me. I just think bring lopez off the bench even at this point or if you don't want to like make that big of a adjustment After after a win maybe do what you did in game one. Where or game four. Where they took him out. I think the seven minute mark. He wasn't having a great game but he was taking a bunch of threes which a- get is a. It's what he does. It's doing it's it's you can use for other things. You can use them for other things you can do both Especially with the second unit like you need a guy show up at home. You said you're not going to be guaranteed to get middleton to show up drew's been obviously very shaky on offense And brooke just feels like a guy that if you set upright. I'm not gonna say he's going to be a sure thing But he's been in this league for a long time. He's not going to be scared. And if you get him going against some of the smaller guys like he's really strong and he has really great such. He can shoot hoops over everybody in the second quarter if If they ended up beating that offense. I think that's something they should do But i think to your question though probably more likely to get a hot coddington game then to get an ugly books game on the At home i think. I think the sons can kind of go back to playing the beautiful game home. Yeah and they don't think about lopez is if you put lopez out there hunting him down on one hundred down mismatches. I'm gonna make you pay for that if i'm the sons. That's that's the one thing. But i was like bringing him off the bench though because i in that either Right the other thing though that lopez does for you and it's what's happening in this series to all of a sudden avi it stating the obvious the second chance points. I mean they're just overwhelming. It's just my my son. I watched the game with him. The last game and it was scream at the tv. We'll somebody eddie money box out and he wasn't even rooting for the sense. He's just rooting for someone to make a simple traditional basic basketball player on the defensive end of the floor which is like wendy boxing out become a lost art. For god's sakes but that's what's happening to. Yeah the sunset. A lot of unforced stuff like they're getting beaten Are of mischa off of their miss shots but they also weren't getting any second chance points either and if you're not getting either those not great and then the the how hard it was for them the score as soon as booker was in any sort of fouled charles that i just feel i just so i'm now ascending thirty five thousand feet above this series and tell me chris. Paul is actually hurt. I don't think phoenix is good enough to win the nba. Title with an injured. Chris pot now they only have to into the next three. But when you think of a seven-man team at this point seven and a half if you include torrey craig but it's not like he's going to be the main thing it just seems like such a tall task when on top of it from what we've seen from jaanus where Resilient i talked about it last night where he basically plays these three games in a row. That are all awesome for different reasons. Last night was his. Larry bird jacking. You're covering away back. When the the larry doesn't have his outside shot so he's going to go down again. Twenty one rebounds and just banks bodies get to the free throw on his fourteen times. And that's kinda we honest and he's like i don't totally have tonight. I'm a little tired. But i'm gonna set up other guys. I'm gonna crash the boards. I'm gonna play really good defense. I'm going to try to get fifteen rebounds and it to be. It was like weirdly. His greatest performance of the three games. Because i didn't feel like he had it. What did you think well. The thing is the one thing. You didn't mention his the eight assists. I remember when bud. I took over as the bucks coach. I said to him i was just shooting. The breeze weather was an interview. And i just like what's what's the most surprising thing about yoenis. He said i had no idea for a guy who hasn't played very much basketball. How good is court. Vision is how well he can see passing lanes. You know. i don't have to tell them about double teams approaching and went to get rid of the ball. How we can see you know. He's can you remember some of the cross court. No look passes. He's made to that corner that we were just talking about for the corner three and that's the thing that but you know his first instinct. That was what surprised him the most and ever since but said that i watched john exactly for that it eight assists last night at you know. I remember early on in the playoffs. Not even this series. All the pundits. A lot of guys are a lot smarter than me and of played the game more than at our level than me kept saying he's too limited. He's too limited a superstar. He you know this wall's going to work. There's only so much can do. He can't shoot free. Throws i just think that sellin him short because of your point there's many other ways he can affect change on the floor at one point in the game last night. I'm thinking jaanus man. You better step it up. You haven't scored. Your team can't win if you don't score more and i was wrong right. Well yeah. I would compare them the shack where he would that last. Four minutes of the game was always going to be the issue at them. But i do feel like he's figured out some stuff the last couple rounds how to not totally be a liability those last four minutes offensively because the free throw shooting and the fact that he can't shoot from the outside. I've been really impressed. I my ceiling for him. Just in my head as i think of him against the other great players and all that i've definitely raise that a couple levels. What about you sir. Yeah i think. I think he's kind of what he's done this season. He's just kind of proven that there's other ways for him to win and he's figured out how to consistently do that like there used to be stretches and now these last few games i just feel like there's a consistent aggression that you see from him and he knows exactly where to be. He knows who he can attack game three just him being able to get aid into foul trouble and then eaten was better better In game four but one of the first vows he picked up. John is getting into his body. And that's something that's actually like pretty difficult to do against atan because like that's that's just like how he doesn't foul it's and it's how he defends right that's why he doesn't block shots that's why everyone like. Hey why is your holiday missing. All these layups like well because aims kind of their am kind of being there as how he plays defense so at first. And i think it's still going to be. It's still going to be tough for you on us. He's a pretty good at making him. Miss layups He just keeps going and there's a lot of times where that just turns into something else. Good that happens like whether it's an offensive rebound or like he's had a couple just like passing the ball back and forth with pat coniston or or or it was portis or somebody else where he's just kind of like taking the old coaches approach of like just get the ball near the rim and something good will happen and that's just like that's a credit to the bucks to because they put a lot of pieces around him to to allow that to happen like is at box out really well like..
"jackie macmullan" Discussed on The Bill Simmons Podcast
"Sweat drive that leads to the top prize. Think about some of the greek plays playoff history. Man i mean i was there for bird steals the bog the pistons nineteen eighty seven. I was there for rail famous. Shot against the spurs game. Six two thousand thirteen. I've been there for a lot of good stuff. A bird dominique dual but pretty lucky. Here's thing you can't always anticipate the outcomes in the playoffs but was state farm. You can anticipate personalized service of a local agent at a surprisingly great rate like a good neighbor state farm. Is there all right. We're taping this. It is three o'clock pacific time. So it's before clip sons but we are going to be able to cover everything else. Jackie macmullan here. She did a trae young story a few months ago this before i did buy. I didn't tell one. Eighty on trae young. But i just didn't see dead. Why why. I just didn't see it. I didn't see it. I didn't see the late but you were you. We argued i think on this podcast about it. And you're really passionate. You're like this kid's got something. And i didn't see it. I didn't think it was possible to build a team. That could actually win the finals around the stuff that he did D do you think he's changed or do you think that we're just seeing what he could do the whole time a little both i. I honestly think you gotta look at macmillan nate mcmillan when they hired him you know they're fourteen and twenty without wh- before mcmillan coetzer but the most important thing is for everything that trade could do at he can do everything think about it. He could score from half court. You know he's got cory range he. He's got that floater which has become one of the most devastating offensive weapons in the game right now because he goes to the basket. And you're like right up until the final second. No one knows. Is he going to do the floater. Or is he going to give that alleyoop to to clean cappella. John collins he. He paralyses defenses with it so he could penetrate he draws fouls we know that and can shoot free throws in eighty five eighty six percent free throw shooter but i think the biggest change is what he's been doing with his teammates. Now you can say Bogey came back. Bogey was out yonder. Hunter was out and back and now out again. Gallinari was out for a while. So now you got those shooters around him. And i think nate mcmillan. And i'm actually a story running tomorrow about. This is the one that finally convinced them like. Look you're you're you're a great talent but if you really want to get where you wanna go like your majer not an all star your majesty. Not an all. Nba selection. You gotta win dude. Because that's when those things come if you wanna win you gotta find a way to remember to keep these other guys. Involved and one of the things nate did was. He showed him film of trae common dribbling crossing half court shooting from the logo and the expression on his teammates face you know. Sometimes i don't think you you're young guy. Trace twenty two is used to have in that boulder on his shoulders trying to convince everybody that he belongs. Well everybody knows you belong but if you really want to fit in you make everybody around you better and if you look at the numbers. He's averaging ten and a half assists in this postseason that to me is so much more significant than the points. I'm i'm stating the obvious. I think in that regard. It's something that i i could have seen happening for years from. Now as he got older and he lost for a few more years than all that stuff. I can't remember another star basketball player. Having the light bulb go off midseason. Because i think he's a really good team now to what you're saying about what they did when he showed him the expressions his team rallies around him now. I don't feel like they did that. Really until the coaching change. I felt like he was on an island. Who's going to do his own thing and as talented as he was. I just didn't feel like he was part of something. And now like you mentioned bogdanovich earlier and that was when this flipped on by diamonds comes back name. Ryland showed up but now the has got like they'd beat the they'd be one leg bibi walkie with solomon hill playing like big bits. I know and play was able to navigate the game. He was so spectacular and a third quarter and he basically played lopez on the court. And now we're in a situation With that series which. We'll talk about later where it's like each team now has an achilles heel and it'd be it will become an achilles heel contest at some point but i think there's two things with him at talked about one of my stick but i'm a rerun it Just like the little guy being the toughest guy in the court thing which is so rare but has such a cool legacy rate it was it was why some two titles yeah. It was average team to the finals. It was wide dany. Age was willing to trade two first rounders and al jefferson for iverson. Even two thousand six. There is not a lot of guys like this. We kind of skipped a generation. Nash was kind of the he inherited from my everson. Like the tough as nails point. But nash's six three i don. You'd stood next tragedy. He might be six one. Max may be may be but toughly i in the court so you have that. But then there's this performing element that he's bringing into this stuff and he's b- he's better on the road the same way you covered some incredible bird games. Eighties were bird. Loved nothing more than just go to seattle and just be like by one time. I'm here. I'm shutting everyone down. I feel trae legs being on the road almost more than home in the stuff he was doing less than in milwaukee where he. There's a defiance to him. That is so cool. I'm so glad it's back. Because i felt like the nba was missing. Just a little something like jason. Tatum doesn't have that. Quality booker has a little bit. Mitchell has a tiny bit but not really but trae. This is i cou. He is watching the game. Must i reggie miller. I'm rambling reggie miller. Reggie miller was so delighted. 'cause you could see reggie. This is like having my grandson out here like all the stuff is so anyway i. I don't know. I don't know if i saw that side coming either so i just gave you a lot to work with. Let's go the little guy thing i promise. Iverson the right and the little thing is so real and anyone that's ever even played. I would say this is even true like in pickup basketball in any town city. Rucker park anywhere. The little guy has to be so much smarter so much better so much more arrogant or he can't succeed. You just really can't and trae young got that from the very you know. I mean i did that long story on him few months ago and my favorite story from that that whole thing was so you know. A new coach moves to town in norman oklahoma. And they're like he's like. Oh i want to run summer league stuff for the for the varsity. Who should i invite. And they're like well you know here. Are the returning players in. Yeah there's this eighth grader. He thinks he's hot shit. You know we're not really sure how good is but you know you should probably invite him and be entertained. And so trae young's in the eighth grade. Okay is in the eighth grade. He hasn't even in high school yet. He shows up at this summer. Workout that he you know almost wasn't invited to you. And the first thing he does is go to the front of the line.
NBA Trade Deadline: Winners & Losers
"The trade deadline podcast part four. We've done three parts already. It is now twelve fifty four pacific time three fifty four east coast. Time ran. russillo is still here. We go all day. We might do to ours. Jackie macmullan is joining us. The hall of famer Cholera was not traded jenny. What happened what happened well. It's funny i was talking to someone in the raptors organization a few days ago. And they're sort of this sense if you look back on that great championship season. The next year Koi leonard walks for nothing. Danny green goes for nothing right them gusau and serge ibaka for nothing and i think it. Just maybe it's just like okay. We're all right with kyle. Stay in here. He's okay more more importantly like cows like me out of here man. This is a sinking ship. I think the results would have been different. Perhaps and i think he was like. I'm okay with being here. You know his bird rights don't kick in till the you can't extend him till the summer so if you trade for you're interested in his bird rights much harder now to sign kyle hours of free agent because you no longer has his bird rights so for people that most people on. I don't need to explain this on your podcast right. Everyone knows what that means yes. I know it's helpful though. Yeah okay so what it means. Is that If you had if you trade him at the deadline and you wanted to extend him you had his bird rights. You could go over the cap you have to worry about it now. If you sign him you have been able to fit him. And it's it's more difficult for teens. So i think in the end they probably just like. How much of this can we ask our fans to understand. He's so good with the younger guys. And you know let's face it siachen nick nurse. They got a little thing going on right. Now there's a little back and forth. Kyle lowry i think is a great buffer for that. You know maybe he rides you through. That rough time comes apart. Future
NBA Chatter With Jackie MacMullan
"The nba comes back in full steam tonight. We're going to talk about a one year anniversary of the day. We call it the go bear game when everything changed. It was leading up to the week before. Boston song conferences. Five six days beforehand. There's utah's in boston. The utah guys get infected. Actually feels like it could have been a lot worse from that standpoint but in some ways it feels like it's been a year in other ways it feels like it's been five years but one thing that is for sure as the nba is a hell of a lot different a year later. What what's the biggest thing that's jumped out to you in the past year other than the no fans you know. I think the dirty little secret bill is just a mental health of we talk a little bit about the mental health of the players. I think it's that plus the mental health of the coaches. I would add that. Gm's ev involved like it it it just. There wasn't enough time. there wasn't an time off and and they knew that and that's why they wanted to start january but broadcast partners. Put the foot down and it. Just i see a steel seal the ripple effects of it when you talk to guys which is not easy to do these days because you're not in an arena. You're not sitting down and shooting the breeze with guys before the game like we normally do but when you get people on the phone or in a private moment you know what one had said to me about three days ago. This is so stupid. You gotta do it. But they're like it's just he one of the one another different. Gm said to me you know. I went in the other day to work is in their team has scuffling a little bit and he said i didn't like i wasn't talking about like hey you know you need to keep your elbow win. He said i just went to all and said like. Are you guys ok not about. I'm going to talk about basketball. Like are you okay. Yeah 'cause 'cause it's been a long haul now and and i think it's obviously a reflection of society as a whole. It's been a long haul for all walks of life in every profession and not to mention the people that aren't working. You know we could. We could spend a whole day on that. But that to me is the overwhelming thing that i notice and they're still great basketball being played. I give the guys that are cutting through this amazing amount of credit especially those final four teams which i think when you look back. Now they all struggled. Yeah lakers not until anthony davis went down with the celtics. Certainly the denver nuggets came out of the. You know the gate. Six and seven the miami heat you know. They were a plan team or out of the playoffs in the early. Start and i think that's a coincidence.
NBA Restart: Which Teams Have the Advantage?
"Jackie is good to hear your. Voice. Meena, are you today you trust me on around worn. Almost stalker it. I'm almost over. It's okay. You beat me many times at this point. EILLY. You're the Lakers and suns. Jackie macmullan is a senior writer for ESPN and frequent around the horn panelists where she has earned two hundred and forty four wins compared to my own forty. She also happens to cover the NBA for nearly forty years. Speaking of the Lakers and suns, the NBA returns, tomorrow night, and amidst all of the craziness in major, League Baseball, the NBA, but seems to be mostly working, but the league is not without some coronavirus related drama. Thanks to one Lou Williams who's sanctioned trip outside of the NBA's clean site included an unsanctioned visit to a certain establishment. Can you explain for everyone? What happened? Well Lou, Williams left the bubble for a funeral for a very close family friend in Atlanta. And he has said many times. It's documented on social media that his favorite place to go eat the magic. Or another left to forgive me I'm not someone that goes interest clubs often or ever if I'm truthful although I did go once to the Butterfly Lounge against my will in Washington DC. But that's a whole nother story that we don't have time for. So. Lou will claims said he went there to have the wings which are named after him. There's some lemon pepper wings named after him and that he went there simply to eat and then he was on his way with his mass and so on and so forth. And Meena by the way I believe him I. Don't think he went to see your stripper. You probably was hungry. But my goodness. What was he doing there? What he did after the family gathering is the center of an NBA security discussion. A rapper who was at the club took pictures of him and tagged him in the photo used the poster child of what not to do. The sample out of what glue will be. It it it. BOGGLES my mind. You. Just clearly did not think this through.
Cavs' Love: Mental health vital during COVID-19
"Cavs forward Kevin love telling our Jackie MacMullan that mental health is vital during this pandemic adding it's really scary what's going on in the world right now but if you don't have to suffer through it alone love has become a mental health advocate since going public in twenty eighteen about his own mental health issues now may is dental health awareness month as the reality is that millions of Americans live with mental illness the idea is to raise awareness about mental health to help fight the stigma provide support educate the public and advocate for policies that support people with mental illness and their
Did 1998 have to be the last dance for Michael Jordan's Chicago Bulls?
"At last we heard Michael Jordan say that from the outset of the nineteen ninety seven ninety eight season it was their last chance Phil Jackson he said could have gone any joint in the regular season and still would not have been back throughout the last dance we were reminded of Jordan's competitiveness and as we watch the end of a ten hour documentary about a team a franchise that just won six titles in an eight year span Michael Jordan was upset he did have a chance to go for a seventh the bulls were broken up the rebuilding began after that nineteen ninety eight championship could they have had one more in the could they have kept the team together if they tried ESPN's Michael Wilbon Jackie MacMullan I would bet on Scotty Michael and Phil Jackson anytime anywhere let's start with that but here's the problem Phil and Jerry Krause Scott their relationship was untenable by that point so there was no way Phil was going to come back if you don't have still come back then who's going to control Dennis robin even
David Stern's greatest act as NBA commissioner was supporting Magic Johnson after HIV diagnosis
"When you think about sports that have massive worldwide appeal their soccer of course and there's basketball wasn't necessarily always that way specially when he came to the NBA and back to the early nineteen eighties we can say the NBA was flirting with extinction David stern took over the reins as commissioner and grow it into a five billion dollar per year industry during his thirty years as commissioner former commissioner David stern died Wednesday afternoon at the age of seventy seventy had suffered a brain hemorrhage on December twelfth never recovered earlier on the who collected podcast with Brian Windhorst are Jackie MacMullan I've met a lot of amazing people in my life but he is the smartest person I have ever met Brian I he had an answer for everything now they also might not have always been correct but god forbid you challenge him which we all have done from time to time he was just here the sharpest sharpest mind in a very very sharp edge to him as well which I think he very freely acknowledged throughout his you know his tenure as a commissioner he had some blind spots of you know you talk about the blocks the people that supported him I don't know this for a fact that you've got to believe that Donald sterling was one of them because why else would he have looks the other way the way he did yeah I know that's that works landmark Georgian also so you know he he's nobody's perfect of course but I just what I liked about him was there were when things matter to him like supporting women in being fair to women and whether it was a woman reporter or these W. NBA players weather was being fair to African Americans and making sure they he was so fiercely supported in the other the other example I always give is magic listen Magic Johnson was HIV positive none of us understood it in fact even urban himself when he right before he was a how to go on stage to tell everybody this is what happened to be internal on and once in one rose in his agent months Adam you know what you're gonna say something you know what one of just going to tell them I'm just gonna tell my have aids and lan said home urgent you don't have H. you have the virus that causes age I was in seventh grade or something like that right in our sole so none of us understood the severity and and David stern was up late at night Colleen medical experts all over the world to try to stay one step ahead so he could understand this crisis that he was dealing with and of course you know when Irving retired the first time and then came back and retired the second time and then you wanted to come back when you want to come back the first time that's when everybody starts it will win and I the all star game Jackie right right right we also right but that was that was accepted because that deck didn't count no one was going to you know that no one was going to play too hard that was sort of thing is a one time thing will will and you know that was the Dream Team but then when he wanted to come back following that Brian that's when you started to hear the complaints wait a minute I don't want to risk my life there was and their owners saying Hey I am not in support of this I don't want to do this and and what David stern told was all right listen I'm just gonna tell you right now if we don't do this first of all you can expect a lawsuit and we need that kind of bad publicity the we won't let it H. I. V. person and then the second thing and this was the hammer this is the hammer David stern news and I don't think this is been reported very widely was widely was this okay if you're not going to let him in and we're gonna have mandatory HIV testing for everybody in the NBA and are you all sure that you don't have anybody on your roster that's HIV positive because I'm not sure and this is the kind of and he just he was going to do the right thing by Irvine not because he loved Ervin Johnson because you did because it was the right thing to do and those are the moments when I admire him the most when even though there was I mean his legacy was at stake there imagine if that had gone badly in the attic on rock and remember we know now all about HIV that is treatable that you can live a full life with it but you can't you can't get it from exchanging blind or or I mean exchanging you know some live or or but you know blood if you you know all these things that all these scary things that back then in that climate because I lived it everyone thought will if I get near him and hugs him I might get aids we have aids but this but David store was one step ahead and he was telling everybody you bet I'm you know I'm going to fight this fight and if you aren't willing to I'm warning you these are the things that could happen and now I mean Magic Johnson told me flat out he gave me my life back he saved my life that's what I've been told me and I believe on to saying Wednesday he was devastated quote David star was such a history maker when I announced in nineteen ninety one that I had HIV people thought they could get the virus from shaking my hand when David allowed me to play in the nineteen ninety two all star game in Orlando and play for the Dream Team we were able to change the world David stern died Wednesday at the age of
Anthony Davis' trade demands revives Celtics-Lakers rivalry
"But the Celtics want kyri Irving ironically enough to be their lead recruiter on getting ethnic Davis to an extension. But meanwhile, of course, we have LeBron James uprooting, Kyrie Irving. Let's. So this is broad James is Instagram account adds, Cari Irving about a song by Feddie. What you may be familiar with here the lyrics. I know you're with them now. But soon you will be mine if I could bring it back, I'll probably press rewind. Wow, at Tyree Irving in front of the re buddies so Feddie walk the new Joe, I didn't realize that. Right. There's a lot of. Wow. Okay. That's so weak. Lebron? It's that is so messy that is. So we can say he's too old for that. But he's square the millennial place in this. Like, what exactly are you doing all of this brings us kyri? I've never been sold. The kyri is going to come back to Boston told the season ticket holders that he would come back. Go commercials about those kids and told him that he was only Cleveland a lot those kids to the same way. I would allied to Boston about that situation. And that given time period does he want to go back there when you even want to play LeBron because I find it hard to believe that that would be a situation oath. Ultimately, make either of them happy. Does he wanna be third best player on a team after he just left the Braun to be the best player on his own full this mostly feels like the Bron James poking Danny aines, just like you think you're gonna convince Anthony Davis to come to you. Because of this guy. This guy wants to be with me. And I'm I mean, we'll see what the Celtics can do what they really think is that big a deal in this. But I'm just saying this meat. I got a chance to be demand man in lay or to beat a man in Boston. What's the weather like in both places right now? Say thanks for the six months of content. Appreciate you. Next names. Luke Walton is weekend. Jackie MacMullan reported quote, the bras camp for a coaching change and that they're not too subtle about that Bob low how Luke Walton fail about this. He should feel like he's seen this movie before and he is not David blacks for many reasons, but David Blatt, let's all remember something three years ago. David Blatt was fired at the hand the shadowy hand allegedly LeBron James after he made the NBA finals while he was sitting atop the Eastern Conference, right. This comes down to whether Luke Walton is LeBron's guy. And that could mean, maybe there's a there's a Thai Lou in the offing someone to take them to the finals and win a championship. Maybe that's the logic here, or maybe he's just not adding value in the way that LeBron was hoping that you like talking about LeBron shadowy hand and all of this stuff. Like, you've never watched the NBA before the broad. This isn't Ella Braun thing. This is the nature of the NBA the. Superstar is it on board with the coach the coach is gotta go. Magic his done. This penny. Hardaway has
NBA, Depression and Rosen discussed on The Undefeated
"PIN senior writer, Jackie MacMullan sat down with several NBA players to talk about mental health in the NBA, Chris, Bosh, Kevin love tomorrow, Rosen, and Paul Pierce to name just a few have opened up about their struggles with depression and anxiety then be has now hired Dr William Param as its first director of mental health and wellness. Should this prompt the NBA to have some sort of mental health policy or plan for players struggling with these issues t start with you? I would say absolutely. Self care is just as important as physical care and treatment. And to be honest, it just seems logical that players NBA NFL any professional sport that athletes would kind of feel this amount of pressure to wear dealing with depression and anxiety seems like it's something that could logically happen. I mean, you've got pressure from your. Teammates, you got pressure from the fans with social media. They're always like direct access pressure to you all the time. You got pressure from your family. They don't see you as often or have expectations for you and your downtime. You get pressure from executives, especially mentioned into Doron Dhamar under Rosen, who thought that he had some form of transfer loyalty with people in the Toronto organization and then ends up being traded. So there's there and then they have pressure from themselves. I'm sure. I mean, everyone has expectations of themselves. I mean, we're not even athletes in. I'm pretty sure all of us on this podcast, have expectations for ourselves and how we feel when we don't meet them. So it makes a lot of sense that there would be that there will be mental health struggles among athletes. And so I do think it's very important for the NBA to have done. This, I think is also important to make sure that there's protection for them for the players for this kind of thing. Because as I've been reading, I've seen that owners have been saying that if this is something that we do that they want to have. Access to the records. And as you know, most medical records in some form are are confidential, and I think that in their mind, I think the argument is, you know, we have access to the players physical record, so we're able to make decisions on what we wanna do based on a player's physical health. We should also do the same for someone's mental health, and I think that's where I probably disagree with the owners in that sense because a lot of times having that confidentiality is what helps you to progress in what helps you to get