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Rush Hour - If the Moo Shu fits

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Rush Hour - If the Moo Shu fits

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Hey friends and lovers welcome boy reference. You goes to her skating. Not you've caught me with a big gulp of wine but I survived exam brave to acquire your FBI headsets and have your hands empty. Fulsome supple Musha as we head into traffic with the rush hour franchise mother fuckers who and you know. Cisco has been around quite a few soundtracks but how deep is your love or not. Oh tell me what it's GonNa be to leave you know Welcome welcome welcome friends and lovers. What a time in the best. The ways and also in the west of ways to that. And you know what it is quite is quite relevant. We all of us are experiencing some sort of Rut earthy and I have literally just moved so all of those sort of usual stresses as well as the world's full initiate guys and a handful of Dick Heads. Just can't be right so recently it's been hard for us to watch and enjoy stuff if we're watching something it's too light and it's not grabbing our attention For watching something that's too real to the real world. It's hard to get into as well and the shining beacon of Jackie. Thank you all and Chris Tucker home. How quiet while we fucking lovey guys? Hold yourselves because you shouldn't be as arrested development. No touching right so you know. Keep your love to yourself. It's all about self love Until we can Get out into spaces and touch. Everyone's holes if you've listened to how bad boys episode. If you've listened to our John Wick Episode. It will follow that sort of format. So we have quite a lot of stats. We are covering the Holy Trinity of the Rush Hour Franchise there is a TV. Show that not and I did try. It came out in two thousand sixteen and we actually tried watching it back then but you completely forgot we did yep and then we tried watching it after rush hour two because we didn't want to end on the TV shirt because life is already on fat. We needed to have some sort of happiness. We go five minute. Hashtag rush hour. Tv challenge if you can get further than five minutes. Good for you. There is no reward. Because again you spent more than five minutes in monstrosity. So let's quickly guard into the stats of the three films. And then we'll get into first impressions. It sounds good all right So rush hour. The first rush hour came out in September of Nineteen Ninety eight. I feel like it mid to late. Nineties was like the Golden Age of buddy cop sort of films not to say they didn't exist before then but you know obviously. We talked about bad boys that came out a few years earlier. we'll Smith Martin Lawrence the sodium lovers. Go and listen to the episode. You know you really have. Jaguars and you have dynamics that you want to see in that buddy. Cop SORT OF FORMAT. I'm not sure aside from Ratna that wanted to have this dynamic but Four shift kisses full quarantined chef kisses to everyone because it was pure magic it was pure. Magic Brett Ratna. These characters were actually developed by Russell. Amana we also have Jim Cough as a rider credited as well again. Ot early allows me to google sell To be able to credit the right arm show. There are more people that contributed in regards to rush. It came out in September of Nineteen Ninety Eight. Oh Wow what is it was a good e. Was it okay? I'll law preparing for Y2K. So if you don't remember that Jesus I slip through the Millennium. I wasn't a wee baby. Shame but I was close the budget for the first rush hour already. Thirty three million dollars quite nice. Yeah quite tight. The gross from thirty three million dollar budget was two hundred forty four point. Seven million dollars. Wo- yeah that is a lot It really did well. I guess maybe as like a burners we can do like all the buddy cop films that failed that you thought would have done well but this. Wow just completely blew out of the water right. Interestingly enough I correctly said that rush hour two came out in August of two thousand one so there was a three year gap unless that was like the normal amount of time. It took take a film you would think that they would you know in these days. They milk everything every franchise for what it's worth so like before you have time to wipe your ass if you'll pardon the sad timely There's another there's another sequel coming out. You know what I mean so three years. Wow so we still have bret right now. We still have Ross and then we also have Jeff Nathanson. The budget for the second rush hour was ninety million dollars. That's always three times the initial budget. Yeah it grossed worldwide three hundred and forty seven point three million dollars. Yeah get out of team and I. It's not even surprising. People knew other going to expect and they got it towns. Hold Yeah Yeah I we can talk more about it as the episode goes but I really didn't see the need to up the budget like what they had was magic not to say that the rest of the films like two and three or bad but like for me. Everything worked in one. But I get that as you have success as you can have a bigger budget. And that's a little baby consultant foundational Quam. I'm happy Katie. So when you're going to have little gripes over nothing there was something you mentioned in rush hour three. Oh it was spoiler spoiler. I guess it was when there was a coal back to a previous saying about Chris CA- saying that Jackie Chan early h rice and he's constipated and then later on in the film he says I'm not constipated anymore and arty is someone that doesn't notice a Lotta things he's not. He's not petty too like acknowledges starbucks cop in a game of thrones sort of episode but way he took Kwame was there was no brown surround. Jackie Chan in the you gotta use the Wasi. Might as well go for it. Yeah because your Shit Talk. Hey you made no comments about continuity or anything or accuracy and to that moment. The water was clear who gives well. Jackie Chan is very fuel so I would believe that he does clip. Did I just thought Burma who knows common. Fight me So yes We have rush hour two and then rush hour three came six years later now six C. Yeah just leave my Chris Taco if men the deleted vision so I'm not sure three of easy we have Brett Ratner like I mentioned before August two thousand and seven the budget not so the first one was thirty three MIL. The second one was ninety mill. The third rush hour was one hundred and forty million dollars. Qui- blow it didn't need to be but again they spend a lot in a totally totally but again friends in love is that doesn't get me off unfortunately But that was a low budget and then the worldwide gross for the third rush hour was two hundred and fifty eight million dollars. Oh so they don't really rick that INS much not as much it. It made more than the first but less significantly less than the second. Yeah but also at the same time I feel like people didn't know what they had going for them. Unlike bad boys which has spanned three decades but again going listened to that episode. So thank you guys we love you guys I'm feeling like you know maybe you don't need to hear it and that's fine I can. I can shout at you and it can be just as pleasurable. But I don't know I feel like at this time. It's just nice to give an express love. Oh Yeah it's lovely. It's lovely lovely. I even forgot how lovely was until our wash. It right So let's do it. Let's get into first impressions? I am handing the reference baton To not because he is the author of this podcast. Wow Okay I tried to compliment you with you same boat. Yeah Yeah's ago new. You don't care for it to context mate got on your So first impressions. I am passing the baton on to you. Because you're the honorary residential expert in this franchise. So far away you in your life When you I watched it was was the experience. Like if you want to you know pull in the oval sort of body copy can do that too And just how? How did you feel overall watching this series or loved it? I loved it so much. You know Back then I was. I think into all this sort of martial arts movies okay and also the lost member of the whig thing or your Turkey. Though was I was really into a lot of Russia movies back. Then you know from Tai Chi to whatever tight change. What the Old Lady's do at the park. You Not Watch martial arts movies until you've accepted the glorious form of Taichi Ache because you mentioned it and I showed you on a Google search yet. You continued to reinforce. The Tai Chi is some bad things that we see what we've been doing. The pox nominee now yoga with their leader. Gwyneth what is it on? And whatever she calls a product I really love this movie. Ages broad. I was young. So does all my brother and he would bring all this movies and I just remember myself creaming my pads and thanking like Jason. I'll watch this so many times and I'm going to believe that that crane was a reference to retain but anyway of course go like some counterfeit can they originated from Kenya. Didn't baby I like cooked. Anyway it was so great watching this like you don't get this. There's lethal weapon with Mel Gibson and then go over and and you love the. I haven't watched far. Well we've got a lot of time now. Okay it just brings a lot of it brought a lot of memories and I feel like a lot St Jeff. Oh okay. This was one of the best things I've ever watched and growing up and becoming old even now just didn't think today's eighty-one Living. Who'S NOT WASHED RUSSIA? To the point that in the ten years we've been together. I've never brought it up just because I thought may you've seen it already costs. You Know You. You just have to raise the bar on how you want. Apprising acreage ignorant. That's a south pock reference. And how you use this podcast. Shame me it's what we do if I'm here to you know. Shame you folks out sexually. What else is my purpose in life? I asked myself that every day was it. Was it a family like did? The family like sit around. Have Dinner and watch. The film wasn't more like you and your siblings Me My brother and his friends okay. Yeah after after before the blue movies I think between right. Yeah yeah go and listen to one of our episodes. We mentioned blue movies now SCA reference Degaulle Station. And if this is the first time that you're listening to US those words don't make sent but the pleasure and confusion is free. Gratis going back to first impressions of for me. I had never watched rush hour. Oh dear Lord Right. It was always that People like to play a game of how old is Katie. I was at an age that I would have even understood the movie in One thousand nine hundred ninety eight. That's about as much as I'm going to give you thinking this guy. Some hope fifty old age age difference. Will you know what like countries a world to pot two ways to me as the way for me to like? Be a cost of neighbors which is never going to happen. A Monica dream though. Yeah not what you choose. Question may grew up watching neighbours and wanted to meet Hana and billion Lou Carpenter carry. Can't even believe and remember these people you know as I thought I'd come here at. I'd see them on the street. I'm so disappointed that that's the case. Let's say Lupita when I get Kenya. You've not checked enough mate. Is it any dingy India? That's what I said. It's my the accent. Yeah some Kenyan stars. Lee Friends in love is Yes I never. I'd never watched The rush hour movies joined the twitter thread where everyone is like shaming me in there but what. Djing it for the first time Hoarau And it couldn't have come at a better time when everything's woolliness shit and we're trying to deal with moving and all of this fucking bullshit. This was pure joy. It just worked everything just what to. Let's go just generally talking about the film. I feel like this film was like happiness in a bottle especially the first movie in like the first installment in this franchise. It just worked so well. Brett Ratner was Quite a big fan of Jackie Chan and his filmography and obviously his stuntmen ship and just came as a referral being So he wanted to bring him to American audiences. You know even some of the running gags that you have we. Jackie Chan's characters that he's played in Hong Kong sort of cinema. He would redo them for American audiences so when he accidentally accidentally Touch the breasts of that beautiful layer that was also from one of his previous films as well. So there's a lot of. There's a lot of respect is a lot of love and there's a lot of understanding It was always going to be Jackie Chan. It was just trying to find who that next person was going to be. That was going to work well with Jackie Chan. Do you WanNa he who the other choices. Tell me tell me yet. So Modern Lawrence was the original choice for Cada. Oh Eddie Murphy was offered the role but he turned it down to make holy man. Wholly money's a good movie. I have not seen that either. I'm not black guys okay. You don't need to be blocked to appreciate good movies. Made really just saying 'cause you know just just because you're black doesn't mean you need to you know jump up and down when you see Kelly Rowland Freddie versus Jason. I will that is not for the culture. I'm sure it is what it calls you. You put it in your spreadsheet you're acutely enough we do have a Freddie versus Jason Episodes. A Go and check that out as well other considerations were Dave Chapelle. Wish he wouldn't have done been greeting. I think it as a compliment. I think Dave Chapelle kind of takes all the attention like he doesn't take the attention but when you see him on the screen you'll just focusing on him. I think it would work. Chapelle like I don't know. He's not much of a Thespian too. I feel like as Malvy as Chris. Tucker is that works to his advantage because he seems very generous. Perhaps as a lover perhaps as a Thespian but he seems very generous with the screen again as a lover or this being on the screen also will Smith would have taken too much attention all of it. Yup I think so I think We'll has a lot of star power Not to say Dave. Chapelle doesn't but I feel like we'll take all of the attention been the will will Smith Show. Yeah Oh yeah definitely It also to back. I think we would have gotten the emotional depth allowed even juice. But Jesus Christ he was a psycho in. Why would you love him in juice? You made his performance because him as a character was like garage. I hadn't performance talking about different mu because he was like he was like dispose of Satan. Jews from what I remember you keep Bushati healthy to me. That's a that's one of the tenants. We must follow to pack and all that he does yup whether living or not Hologram on ought quite a world. We live in. Oh Wow holograms are. As real as day. Alicia govern Belsen listened to Silicon Valley absurd but then people can't fucking wash their hands as they at arm. Now Take Jeez advancing and with you know what robot Jesus come and take us over what's left. I don't know what's left. You WanNa hear fun fact For the rush hour series but specifically for the first film. This film inspired the creation of rotten tomatoes. Ooh Yeah also. The sites found the send. Wong and sorry wrong. He's a big Jackie Chan Fan and he built a website to collect reviews for all of chance Hong Kong as they were being released in the United States. He cursed the site in two weeks putting it up before the release of the film and as we know running tomatoes as much as you slander it. It is a central epicenter For Opinions Right. How cool is that movies? Advertise based off rotten tomatoes score. So yeah it's ingrained into the culture so you know say what you about this series run into maters was born at Lady Gaga is auditioning for that particular role a star is born. I got that now. I know you're you're just laughing just because you're laughing. So how did you feel? How did you feel watching the first movie I enjoyed it? Re watching it made me forget. Just how good it was. Yeah because sometimes the nostalgia can take all right now because we were having trouble. Just find something to watch. And you browsing through flakes and then I saw it. I thought well as well watch it because you are really in the mood to do anything and since you've already done. The chilling part was just about finding something that you know will stop and when I recommended it. I do not think our enjoyed as much as I did right. Yeah so good. The story is enough to sink your teeth into And can I just say the first film I enjoyed the action as opposed to two and three? I felt like the action was very Jackie. Chan focused it was very jackie. Chan really brings value Whenever you whenever you can. I'm sure a will to book him. It's not just having someone that can act and say the lines but it's also someone that can add value with decades of experience and the stunts were fucking flawless. They really were they really. It was a pleasure. It was a delight to watch I just couldn't get over. How great he was. Yeah Shahnaz to Chris Tucker. He he finally got star billing in the third film in the series but Jackie Chan was really not even Arguably Jackie. Chan was the biggest at the time he was globally more than crease TACO. I think just because I think I'm basing this off American audience but was definitely way bigger than Chris. Tucker. Oh yes I think. Friday was threes. Before this Bob Junkie Child you know with drunk and Mazda and we had been vaas Twelve Austin Jackie Chan movies way before this came up. Oh totally like like the world was and ready for Shaw. A pair. Apparently according to trivia knowledge repository so go and fight them. Don't fight me and however I- drunkenly read this. It's still their fault. Apparently this was the first film that Jackie actually did his English. Not necessarily dubbing this case. But it's the first time that he did his own English version in a lot of the time the English dub he would feel uncomfortable and he would let someone else to it but Brett really said I'm shuttering authenticity to the role. If he was to do it speak English but it was amazing. I think added so much to the movie as well. Oh yeah but he was so endearing and it was. It was interesting to note that even before I met. You are tate that we're using a lot of your take as well the way you point to a business card to tell people where to guard what is good for you yes ridiculous. I'm a Dick and you'll love it but it was a think. If he didn't do it he would have lost. Something really increased security role. Oh yes and the fuck Larry Dillon and you could see the connection with him and Chris. Taco felt like there was this actual genuine report. Yeah Yeah and it made his voice. It made it for like a great watching and just really buying into the two characters and really rooting for them. There was nerve pretension. Because if you think about it obviously there are a lot of films that have this sort of formula but where a lot of them failed. Rush hour thrived and it was. Oh I felt so woman fuzzy watching the first film. It just made me feel so good. It made me feel happy. It made me feel like this is why like this is why we want to share this moment with you all and talk about films and talk about movies and you know maybe the no perfect. Maybe out perfect but let's discuss it. Let's analyze it wherever we can Let's let let's tear that pop friends and lovers forshaw. Who who? Oh but how good was? It might not be a surprise to anybody that Chris Tucker improvised the load of his lines. Of course I was watching Interviews especially for in the first rush hour came out and Jackie was talking about how he couldn't understand anything that Chris Taco was saying which prompted the infamous line. Do you understand what's coming out of my mouth. Carl bock get back in our living single episode that did not sound like Krista. It did can. Can I digress for a second? I'm not as much of a a lot of things I love about you. You've got a very rich voice so what I know the listeners. I dying to know aside from what you look like and whether you exist is when did your balls drop like. When did because Chris Tucker Chris Tucker Voice? It's just I don't Wanna I don't WanNa. I don't WanNa claim that he's bulls having job. Don't come and fight me I. I can only deal with so many scandals at a time. But when when do you remember? Your Voice Not Sounding High. Pitch no single point where I can remember. This came out of the. That'd be weird if you're seeing that especially if you're looking at your mom way do we podcast? May It is a downward trajectory and it has been for quite a what I I really can't put a date on it. I think one day it was just them and then you remember a really card which is weird. Maybe people remember those things. But I can't car. Was it worth the journey? Daunte baps not. Let's go back to the film that we would talking about Is there anything else you WANNA say about the first film? No I really enjoyed it and the fucked the age soil. Me Really like it. It's apprised me. It really did and at something. That's really rewatch. -Able Oh yes. If you just want something light in the background that you'd enjoy a without over thinking things and just having a relationship as a borough months like that on seeing develop. Oh it's so hard to do that genuinely and the where retina directed this e. Just you know Kudos I really loved it and I guess you could take this on the surface and that would be completely fine to consume as a movie but I really bored into The the report. And as you say the Burmans between Chris Tucker and also Jackie Chan. I think it was in the outtakes of the second film way. Chris Tucker kept calling him. Jackie in my in my cold. Tiny tiny hot. I WanNa believe that Chris Tucker and Jackie Chan a so close that that's why he kept calling. Jackie you know what I mean like. I just want to believe that. Their best friends and they have barbecues together and they go out having carrier key in China like I just want to that. That's the life that they have. Please don't ruin that fantasy for me. Speaking of fantasy I'm Bert Ratna Amongst other things including was called tower heist the Ben Stiller Film. He directed a lot of music videos. some from my from Madonna But also a lot from riot carey. And that's kind of a not in the first film where you have to. Young's character singing. Fantasy was the cutest thing I've ever seen in my life and I think that actually denotes to a lot about the elements in this film like they are. I guess if you want to say predictable but still enjoyable like you have a kid seeing a very contemporary pop song and then you have those two gods washing her right. So obviously you know. It's going to be them cringing and her having a good time but it doesn't stop us from enjoying that moment if I was watching it on Youtube right now. Half expect what's the guy's name the does decouple career. James Corden unexpected. His face shop on. I'll just put the video of Bob so lap it up James Corden because I feel like the early time we will mention you. I feel like he's been in a few movies. is not the thing that people love. Brin Abi Down don't be James. Corden and Downton Abbey Mega summa. No with no chips at the bucket of chips why okay. So we've established that Merkin of the majority of Allison is now you're now. You're throwing away all of our listeners. A pilot and a packet of tubes two pints of Beta packet of chips. I think he's I think all govern Stacey I got there finally how did you get from Hakkinen chips to govern stacey? Oh I used to have all back in the day so there are many symptoms out there but I think I think. Rt is manifesting. Some of them today. I should've make light of that. But our teammates way. Too Easy for me. Would YOU BE MA? Grodin my main squeeze the main done so I'm done now because we're never doing cats so I don't know when you whenever you're going to he the name James Corden again hoi my do unhappy on them late night. Doc shows thanks. Yeah yeah nothing. My dictators invited by lots. My Dick fell off. Allow okay so I can't strappy an all strap on strep deactivated. Unfortunately what what did he think? Though over you derail this Arti Express. Um Try to bring you back on track. Ed You get away so we were talking about fantasy with the little girl and the bodyguards But I just wanted to bring up like a riding point where you know. Things did seem a bit predictable But it didn't take away from US consuming and enjoying it in its intended purpose Something that I thought was a controversial saw. I don't remember if maybe it was the second movie. But it was when Chris Daca Say The N. Word addressing his filler kin and Jackie Chan. Eventually set it How do you and I definitely don't think that would work in. Twenty twenty two does up in all his movies he does but I also want to point out Quinton. Jerome Tarantino Jerome Elevates Richard Briggs. It makes him less of a chicken Jones. Listen to our Princess Mononokai episode. Because we talk about Quinton Jerem Turrentine. Are Quite a lot in. Can you believe we haven't done a Quincy's Tarintino film? You can believe that. So let's move on. Let's move on to the second film before we do. Actually I forgot to mention the soundtrack. 'cause you know sometimes whatever we feel like it. Whenever it's relevant we bring up the soundtrack full movies. How deep is your love by drew featuring Redman so good such a banger. I didn't know that was from rush hour. I used to have It wasn't let's just call it a mock when I used that is have a more Quinn CD COMPACT DISC player And I used to have how well I'm surprising your cycles. You allowed to listen to that. Dan Alc- The F- The first soundtrack for the movie was produced through Def Jam and consisted of hip hop and rb music The soundtrack was a huge. Success are tate. What does that mean? It peaked at five on the two hundred and two on the top RB HIP hop albums. Oh Wow and that's where we get the number one single. How deep is Your Love Also in the soundtrack we have retained clan It makes sense. It makes sense that we would be on the soundtrack for Shaw especially with eighty boss sitter. You gotta go the low hanging fruit. Yeah dirty we also had a rule on the first Jack as well as Giambi. Ooh Love Giambi. Giambi was also in the bad boys soundtrack. So let's move into the second film and I just WanNa mention some of the guests thaws Cameos or whatever you WANNA call it When acidifies yet? But we're working to wards it. We assure you we have don cheadle mate. As soon as I saw him it was all over. I was I was already sold on the franchise but saying Don cheadle and the character that he played Kenny. For some reason he's on credited. I'm not sure why how dire but Don cheadle agreed to do this early if he could fight Jackie and also speak Chinese good on him. But it's like even watching this. I'm just like watching them. Fight together as one of the best things I've ever seen in my life Like turney stock route. This is the momentous battle That we have which don't cheat here will be more like Billy blanks who. He's that because he's a block com martial artists of the day. Who is that if he told no billy blanks? He's he he. He did a lot of great things back in the day so he was. He was like a movie star. The biggest movers allows unless endless. Billy blanks was around almost thirty S Gar. Maybe it's Katy blanks. No I'm sure people know of billy blanks. It's not an ot say it's a wild wide thing so you acknowledged that their pockets of information that you make shit up on our role in the soundtrack full the second movie area codes ludicrous and make dog. It was specifically for the movie. Oh I didn't know that. Yeah we we also have some songs drew hill again with Jill. Scott and also sustain a million Right yeah you gotTa bring those on the young audience and Spurs. How did you feel with the second movie coming out? Did you watch it at the time? Did you feel like that in need to have it now males living for it? I like me. I did all of these guys. I did mall gave remote and I was disappointed. A child disappointed adult watching this. If it was great I would continue to love to see Russia. Our until the end of time could be to rush off. Ot that's what's that Shit is raped. He's shredded Bro. Lectures that amount of EPA and the dedication the Jockey Putin is movies at such a joy to watch on the fact that you know that he's actually doing his own stunts bowls bowl she gets hotter gets broken legs. E Briggs is fuck and buck. Yeah doing his own. The second movie is the one where he likes lights through that small sort of I n Bar right. Fuck man and to watch that and to know that he's actually doing it about goes. Scott Parker just elevates them over to a different stratosphere because Fara this old few people that do this and and it just you know I'm all in I'm all in I'm like give me rush off fifty and I'll be there. Watching him was like Jackie. Chan is still jacked Jackie Chan. It's rough workshop. My brain isn't as active as it used to be. Friends and lovers just have patients who would you think could win in a fight between Jackie Chan Jet? Li Chris. Tucker come on. Oh we'll Jackie Chan was invited into my heart chambers well before gently originally Same Age Jackie's older. Well still a we mall or we're talking about in their prime easily about in their prime prime gently the wadden and drunken Mazda. Jackie Chan ommercial talking about the film's or you're talking about the abilities because Jackie hens down. Yeah Yeah Yeah. I'd go check as well then why you'd be swayed a bit gentlest talented faulk as well. So you know. Kudos to him Kids of age friends and lovers You know people talk a lot about thirty traps. Do you know what that is? Not What did you say? A thirst trap do off-season on your secret grinder account okay. So essentially it's like trying to try to have sixty further and trying to get people thirsty. Essentially ot lays comfort traps where he tries to trap you in Kung Fu conundrums. It A it was one of the contest. It's one of the biggest debates you had the growing up but it's called chain have jockeyed gently. Inde- half Chuck Norris. It have Bruce Lee. How `Bout Shamu shy. You Know Sambi he was like a comfy muster and he had a crossover with Chuck Norris. Some I think Sir I said seven whole Salloum. You've never heard of him before go. Is it a martial arts guy? Fans and love is a meet you at the semi solstice. So you talk about you. Missed the blades. Or whatever billy blanks shooting blanks. Okay if you haven't intimidating name why would your name be blanks to quick? Wait I think that would be a good like escort name? Hib I'm billy blanks. You don't need to worry gotta do raw dogging but like the fact that you mentioned. Jackie Chan Jet Li. That just shows you. He flew back to violet debate. And there's no contest Jackie Chan. He's the granddaddy of concrete. Jackie Chan Chuck. Norris you're serious Jackie Chan's nipples could cut chuck Norris's neck made. The people are there who believe Chuck Norris Pete. Bruce Lee fails qualified. What's so if how you GonNa souped-up Junkin Doris Anyway? That was just a conspiracy theory or whatever we want to screen this right now before I even tweet about our represent. Jackie Chan's nipples could cuts USC. Norris says with an apostrophe because I know my gramma neck in half we'll just cut his neck right send tweet mother focus. You have no idea where you'd I say. Should I say? Fight ME MYSELF. In concert on Nickelodeon. Did you get that in Kenya? Also every Saturday Morning Gospel but I guess also at the same time like do. We need to pin these masters together. All I can. Jackie Chan Be Jackie Chan. It's the like you'd want to know them top dog every time. You know the Spurs. Ooh I am seeing a young Jackie Chan and it is moistening. My Jackie. Chan's wow you off whow my what a world. Let's give some love to Chris. Tucker think well so. Did you know Chris? Tucker aside from Friday. I didn't think so black assault things in More showers his biggest fan ball. He warned he warned me over with his performance in Russia. Okay yeah so I was definitely a fun of him. I didn't 'cause I mentioned to you while watching it. I didn't Really Watch Chris. Tucker when he was out so he kinda feels like a blend of Eddie Murphy and Chris. Rock to me Arkansas. And it's just because I haven't really me about the time I was supposed to probably consume I can see that. But he's he does so few people who could have done this role like he did without coming off as complete astles. Okay Yeah Yeah actually. So what the fuck that? He carried out. You're like in the fast in fast calment and he was walking up to the FBI ability as he'd rather those like give it. I don't get people like that people that just lack self awareness and they just they just expect things to be given to them but the difference with his character is. He's really malicious in any way. So I think we give him a lot of graces his heart on his sleeve so his is is definitely putting himself out there. Like it doesn't mean bad by any of it and then you have him like flirting in the first movie as well Our Record Oregon. The movie doesn't get made now. Well it didn't get made into these staged cancel. That's not why go cancels gob each Like it's crossing a lot of Some of the is that we tend to see you running out of toilet paper to wipe your ass use the script it just can we talk about the TV. Repeat for like two seconds The cussing crop. I think that was the biggest issue. Well it was such an iconic film franchise that you couldn't not associate the act is personalities to the characters because you think about Brett Ratner again. He was a fanta. Jackie Chan so obviously. Jackie Chan was at the epicenter. And then you had Chris Tucker improvising a lot of his lion said. These actors brought a lot into these roles. So it's hard not to associate them when you would watch. Tv Roberto of it. And I think especially with cod. His character Chris Tucker's character. They didn't want to play it too hot because then people will be like. Oh He's trying to Krista but what it did was he fell flat. And you didn't want to root for him. You didn't even care for him. It kind of reminds me you know when you watch like Adam and dragon ball volition. I feel like just for fun. We should cover that. One of these days Aside from the fact that the Chinese GRANDPA had a white grandson. That's a story for another day. Like fifty cent having eighty babies like Boma had like one blue stripe in her hair so it kind of like sometimes when you have like anime live action kind of waters down the vibrancy of the source material. I felt like that's what happened to the TV shirt off Hollywood just lazy writing. 'cause lifted Abeille from the script of the original movie and executed poorly. Because they didn't want to because they didn't say. Do you understand the words coming out of my mouth. They said somebody will. I didn't understand what he's saying so they they paid a Mazda the original references but just came off as really week. Yeah it was really weak like I was watching mate. I think they just give it a film Grad and just give him a script and be like me. Just write something. Yeah and again. If there's any sort of rush hour talk give me crystal. GimMe Jackie Chan Right. Even though as the films went on it also looked like someone through some thirty MC Chris Taco go and listen to our bad is absurd but Chris Tucker can still like third down. And let's let's trickle over to the for the third movie. It took three movies for Kristaq. It's concrete fighting. Yeah having that I. I'm sure okay. I was intentional. I'm sure he's saying it at every movie completely like cut it out. I think I feel like this was the weakest of the three low of the two. Yeah I agree. And the one puff moment was when. I think the one that I really enjoyed Roseland door both senior the club. Oh yes over in no very hot of so body like 'cause you knew you knew Chris Tucker was going to sing. That's that's no surprise to anybody but once Jackie Chan was on that verses pedaled swing hall law this this will stop me from punching strangers in the street Wow it's just everything. The build up was the everything was there. And what a franchise. We had do me baby Performed by Princeton. Chris Tucker is also credited on the soundtrack for the third movie If you watch the outtakes for the second film there's actually a reference to it in the third movie When they're on the plane and there's inklings learning to the fact that Cada is Jewish When you watch the outtakes at the end of the second film Chris Tucker is really struggling to say Kafelnikov Fish. I didn't even know if I'm saying you're right but it completely go cut out of the movie because he just couldn't say it and we were watching the third movie and he actually said it and that was quite a payoff off Pale. Considering how annoyed the producer was Oh yes and the funny thing was in that particular outtake in the second movie. Jackie was like all it was something else who Crisanto was supposed to say three words in Chinese couldn't even do it so it's probably Mandarin Cantonese. And he couldn't do it either. Yeah so it's interesting because obviously you would think that Jackie Chan like needs help But Chris Tucker native he'd Z. Career by his allies which it all but he. I think they would. They would just the perfect combination right because it's very it's very easy to try and overtake each other. When you're in a sort of jouer dynamic yeah I know because he doesn't know his place and I have to put him back to wearing needs to go. Good Luck you fucking sub shave all but all. I'm so glad and also in some sort of way. I'm glad I had never watched this. And this was the first time I've actually watched it because it came at such a time that we needed this Y- really did. I felt lifted. Like you know whatever's going on right now it's quite crazy. There's so many things out there that it could watch soccer. Just bring you your whole mood down. Russia is in the ILJAZ. Lift you up make you forget how crop this everything is. Oh yeah totally. I'm also apparently. Jackie Chan speaks fluent French. All right There's there's also a trivia that I just WANNA mention Before I forget before I forget the Trivia the counterfeit bills that they used in the second movie said in dog we trust and during the shooting. Some extras walked off with that. And they use it in Las Vegas or no. The situation was out of control that the production was briefly. Shut down when the FBI went to the department to do an investigation. That's some good girls pay some attention. Wow yeah out of tried that as well and I will play my Darnay like who is this sexy man. I'm the one the Knox who I am. Why do you do that? Well having hot diggity dog but all everything. Everything was special about this. Yes there are moments that if your cynical and you're sitting there you could predict the storyline but it is enough to have emotional investment. If you allow yourself it's not about the bloody storyline. Get off your body offices but I feel like the story is quite good quite good but it's not about it a low no Russia fighting breath. Rav you coming on me at least not yet anyway. It's not it really. Is it the dynamism between Lee and Kada alone is worth us on that chair for ninety minutes and when Lethal Cada died? Oh so sweet. Oh so lovely so many good moments in this movie. Yeah I especially really enjoyed the first one. I didn't really careful the exuberant sort of production. I didn't care that they will flying off the Eiffel Tower. Like the dynamic everything that made magical the first film. I didn't need any sort of extravagant off to that not to say that the rest of them were bad. But I really enjoyed the first one with with you know with more Hans trying to get into the poor you know or dipping into the port you get earthy for his own mind you get a little bit more flavor so that's happened in this and understandably so because it got so much money vast movie and they're like you're GonNa do better you all so understandable. It's just the way the businesses and you know just got a Ri- that motu right and before we rent a movie dirty movie for nine ninety five. Let's expensive movies as is other rate of renting back in the early two thousands. Yeah I think that's quite in there in a hotel will follow like sense now. Something very outside a hotel slipping a CD under Nikita Bounds of was show. They guy no contact. We love you guys that that is my band aid for at all. let's finish off in a segment. We call for your friend. I'll reference Shanghai noon. Oh I know I know what you people saying L. Sparing No. It's not fun. It's lot hearted. It's not boring. It's fine go. Jackie Chan doing his best in the Western world. You Know Cowboys. And all you need one to jockeying you've got oh and Wilson who's kind of adorable though much to say about him but he's likable. I think this is your coach mate. Lucy Liu and Walton. Gog is do. I need to say well once in Gaza Shanghai. We're watching it. I've not watched may of course watched it for half what succession. What about you I will reference Drunken Mazda? Ooh The film series If you WANNA DABBLE IF YOU WANNA detail in I guess you can start off with forbidding kingdom as well it's got check Chan in it and gently. They fight each other. I'm pretty sure I'm still right. I don't remember who won by. He didn't win. That would be a sham but drunk and Mazda definitely. Oh yeah you gotTA GIVE OUT FOOD STAPLE FOR SURE? It's a lot of movies of borrowed from it. Sorry I'm stilling thunder here. Yeah ooh like Lee. Even though it was more Bruce Lee but Lee with his drunken master in Naruto and I didn't find an organic way to say it. I don't really care to imagine what celebrities look like naked but I kinda WanNa know what. Jackie Chan looks like naked to should be something there Human Chris Tucker running naked through the streets actually was real. 'cause I couldn't close down the set so they that's another fun fact for you is a thank you so much Sticking around we take your conned around who Walton. Gugans it up to Hannah's another week in the foyer reference household friends. Love is Come and fight me. Jackie Chan everything chuck. Norris who you'd be Bruce Lee. You've really turned her when his talk. John Zarrella Dot. I'll meet you in the car park Bro. 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Dumbfoundead

Asian Enough

36:30 min | 4 months ago

Dumbfoundead

"From the La Times Studios. This is Asian enough each week on this. Podcast we talk you one asian-americans full liberty about the joys the complications and everything else. That comes along with being Asian American. I'm Jen motto and I'm Frank Sean This Week. An episode. Nine of our podcast. We're joined by Jonathan Park. The KOREATOWN rapper and actor who goes by the name dumbfounded. He'll talk about the days when it was really rare find. Asians in the hip hop world hip hop actually taught me to be unapologetically Asian. Really because we saw an apology black well off the back story on his Oscarssowhite inspired video safe and his family sturdy from Korea to Argentina to central La. So let's get to it. Asian enough is presented by little America now streaming exclusively on Apple. Tv plus in the TV APP on all IOS devices and TV APP supported devices. This advertiser has no influence over editorial decisions or content. Finding the perfect present for Mama's tough. 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I feel you know just because I am in my thirties now and I don't have that like I don't give a fuck attitude. No more like I give about. You know so. What's something like Jonathan would do that? Dumb wouldn't do? It sounds funny. Jonathan seems like the complete like non rapper named have I'm doing little things like just kind of like picking my niece up from like kindergarten and and things like that you know. I mean a lot of duties that I should've been doing you know just being more involved in like family stuff and things like that. Were kind of doing like rap. Life stuff You know in that comes with anybody who has like a career like being focused on that but especially in a career like dad the lifestyle could get like pretty wild. You know like you're in a studio. It could be really unhealthy lifestyle. Do you enjoy the basic stuff. Is there like stuff about being Jonathan that you enjoy? Yeah I'M GONNA run club you know like some real adult. Shit down running Koreatown. Run Club I I'm I'm really just. It's a mixture of like. Yeah like being a little bit more healthy. I think just health conscious and stuff. How old are you now of thirty three thirty three? Yeah I feel like this is the age where you start trying to figure out how to dice. Lower Rams no one hundred percent so dumb founded the persona was born when you're a teenager. Yokley specifically for hip hop would not even that. It's like before I even made my first song. I was just into free styling in battle rapping up. I mean I was listening to pop music but I had no interest in making music. I was just like a class clown. Let me mix in comedy with rap and then became battle rap for me you know and it was kind of my way of just if fending myself like verbally because I was just like Dorky. Skinny Asian Dude. So but you know I can totally like kill it on some like verbally assaulting new type and so. I've got to my way of defending myself. I guess survival yeah kind of like just big dudes and making fun of making. Everybody laugh at him. You know like that. Kinda Shit Man. I watched all those videos in college and something about like seeing an Asian American. Like be good at something that everybody wants to be good at like. I don't know if you ever do this sometimes. I watch like Jeremy Lin time to kind of like fire myself up. There's something like really Really cool cool. Yeah well because I think when I was doing that back in the day there was some Asian rappers coming up but they were very like aggressive and I think it was hard for people to take them seriously and and it's not that they weren't like there was some real gangster type split people couldn't take Asian gangster. Seriously that even if you were legitimately like gangster like for me I was like Kinda skinny and and just being witty and funny so it was a little bit easier. I think for people to Kinda just be like you know. He's funny you know and like he's not trying to be like aggressive. Rely hard or anything so it was a little bit. I thing easy to digest for people saw I wanted to ask a question about being Asian American hip hop. Do you still feel like being a Asian American in the HIP hop world. Does that make you an outsider? Do you still feel like an outsider. I've gotten asked that so many times and I always tell people like you know. I've always thought it was an advantage for me to be Asian and hip hop you. Stand out the open. Mics that would go to. That'd be like a hundred two hundred black kids on the corner and I'd be the one Asian Dude and I knew that like at least when I started rapping. People going to be like okay. What is he going to say like people were curious you know so and hip hop is all about like being unique and standing out so I always thought it was kind of an advantage. I didn't think of it as a crutch at all you had all these other lines. I think like those more things to write as a rapper. Like it's easier to kind of stand out. I mean people curious like is he going to be wacker tight like People WanNa know you know so. They're like Oh shit. What is he going to say? I I I think? Now it's like it's not that unique to be Asian wrapping. There's a lot of Asians who wrap you know? But it's it's like definitely you gotTA BE DIFFERENT. Stand out for sure. Being a historically African American space do still get questions about appropriation use. How do you deal with those to me a lot of the times when I get asked that because I do a lot of college shows and it's always like some Asian kid who's like not even in hip hop culture? Who's asking the question like that? Who's not even involved in the culture and I'll be honest when I was young when I did my first couple of college shows. I got asked that like from the beginning. You know I didn't know what the fuck appropriation was like. I didn't know what that meant like. They asked me that and I was like. I froze up because I didn't know what the word meant or anything because I was so in the culture. I wasn't even thinking about appropriation and I figured I learned about it and I was like okay. That's what it means but to me. It's like no. I'm I'm very thoroughly knowledgeable about the culture and roots of the culture and my part in it being guest in it were my contributions and people. I've worked with so I don't have any worries about the appropriation part right. You've always felt belonging. I one hundred percent and that's always going to be a tricky thing you can go to different place and people will feel different way but I just know what my part has been in the culture. Right yeah listen to your music because you rap a lot about like your own life. Yeah I I feel like a lot of people I mean. There's all this criticism I've seen because I'll be on twitter and I see so many Asian people attacking to Eddie Wong's the AQUAFINA 's you know it's like so corny in there like young kids fresh out of college and have this fervor of like. Oh I want to be part of something and like all of a sudden I'm an ally like didn't even grow up with any black friends and all of a sudden they're fuck you know all part of this shit in part of this conversation they wanna be attached something and then attack for the talk about like the way they talk to me. It's this really Corny to me. You know like people grow up around different environments when someone says someone tell black like that sounds racist to me in itself you know like what is a black person supposed to sound like you know what I'm saying like it's it's the same thing to me is like when someone says a black person sound white That's the exact same shit when they say like an Asian Dude is talking black legged Sounds Corny to me and it sounds racist on. Yeah I mean it's It's a thorny question. I think when people start talking about Asian Americans in hip-hop you have these intentions of like trying to police the space trying to respect this way. Certain African Americans think about hip hop. I'll give an like. I listen to hip hop right and my roommate is black in college. He listens to hip hop. Yeah we never talked about listening to hip hop. He had a completely separate of experience of hip hop from me. He never wanted to be a part of mine. Yeah Yeah and so. It's it's kind of interesting to kind of think about when Asian Americans are in black spaces. They do get this question so frequently and I think the more sort of logical way to think about. Is that hip hop was multicultural from its beginning. Right if you look at history if you look at you know Filipino. American mobile deejays in in the bay area in the Seventies. And if you look at the Bronx right there were as is. They're just not very many of them. You know me I I always say it's not even about that to me like hip hop to actually taught me to be unapologetically. Asian really because we saw an apologetically black. It actually brought me closer to to being Asian honestly. No I think like us that you grow up in America. You're Asian right. You have two ways to learn American identity from white people or from black people and yeah I think In a lot of ways in terms of how to become a non white American huddle like move and take up. Space is a non white American like Asians do learn a lot from black people in that way I absolutely think that that kind of debt of paving the way is owed to the African American community in in many spheres. But that's what I am glad that we can have conversations like this because here. You're usually clearly have this affinity for the history of hip hop in its roots and origins. I think it's a conversation. It's really hard to have on social media. It's extremely hard. Like if I said that Shit right now on a tweet I would get killed by so many people. Are you know Asian Community Black Communities? You see my problem with it. A lot of times is like these Asian Americans who grew up on hip hop culture and black culture. I think we want to attack them so much. When we're trying to pay homage to that community you know the hip hop community the black community and the and for all like all done and all the influence that we've actually gone from him And like People WanNa take that community of Asian American attack that Group of Asian Americans. But when we need that voice on top of the other voices and Asian American community and a lot of people attacking. Those voices are the ones who have they just grew up one certain type away and can't accept that side of like Asian Americans that grew up that way. Well let's go into how you grew up because your origin story is one of the most unique. Lens I've heard you. Proudly Rep Koreatown in Los Angeles. But that's not really the the origin origin of your story. I was born in Argentina but I came to create townhouse. Three Secre town is really the only place that really no. I don't not speak Spanish but a roll my rs cl- parents often Yeah my parents are still fluent. It's funny because they speak Spanish and Korean so when they came to America like didn't even have to learn English they're just like like I mean like the L. A. Korean and Spanish like until this day during like sucks like because they get around still you know I remember. I'd bring like a black friend home and they speak Spanish. I'm like he's not Latino he's like. It's like if you who weren't Korean Spanish. You know on you. And I'm like he's not he's he's this guy's white black blackness no Latinos here. How did your family get to Argentina? Those big migration of Koreans to South America during not even my uncles and aunts. They're scattered in Peru Paraguay. My mom actually. When I was three my sister was one years old like smuggled us through the Mexican border would days. Yeah like that's how it came to this country. Yeah it's it's it's wild. When did you first learn that about your own history? I learned that pretty early on like my mom like filled me in on what that whole situation was but it became so much more relevant with the whole immigration conversations. You know like I didn't really know the layers in depth of it so that was pretty wild to know that. I'm kind of part of that as a Korean guy. You know you have so much like you know. Experience of of the Latino community do in Korea town. I definitely think that was one of the things that when I was coming up like appreciated like the Latino explains in Los Angeles I grew up with a lot of Latinos more than any other ethnic group. My nickname was Chino on my block. Like every Asian kid has gone up in Los Angeles. There's a chino. Chino of forth in Harvard. Street knows Achino on fifth. Sixth and I thought you know at the time I thought I was like. I thought I had a special nickname amongst the crew. Apparently there was way more. Jails in the neighborhood like I thought I was special. You know then I met the Chino the block over and I was like Oh shit okay. There's more of us. Yeah not all that she knows are Asians like sometimes. There's just guys Filipino guy. Who Looks Asian? Yeah Yeah Yeah is there something. Tell us why you rappkay town so hard in all of your your music in your public life. It's kind of a beautiful thing to see and you still live in canton right. Yeah and the funny thing about it is when I was growing up. I wasn't embraced in Cape Town. Because K town during that time was like the ACN pride era where you had the super like Asian pride and your family has increased and during the riot so we grew up all around ad. And I was very k town but I was kind of an outcast amongst the Asian kids who are more cooler like Long White T.'s. Bangs smoking cigarettes in the parking lot. Like I wasn't part of that like I was a nerdy like underground hip hop pop punk like Weirdo Kid. You know and and I dressed like a member of weezer with like glasses and braces so I was into weird indeed. Shit you know our our shows and things like that so but then I started battle. Rapping is when all of a sudden the Asian community started like riding with me. You know all of a sudden all these Asian neighborhood gangster dudes was like Oh man. You're representing for days in. Because I was like killing it on the videos defending Asian people. You know because I wanted to like. They're attacking me. And Douse away. I was defending my battle rap so actually identity driven in tow superior how opponents come up with bars against each other. Yeah I talk about the saliva when I started battle rapping when I learned a lot about what people think about Asians or what they know about Asians and I realize it's not that much the same. Exactly they they know like five things to hit you with. That's when you realize own. Damn like these are the stereotypes. These are the only things people really know. Or even there's a lot of things you reference them to like celebrity like you look like this guy so does always only like three motherfuckers. Jackie Chan Jet Li. You know what I'm saying I'm Lou. It was like those three. I mean. Now it's like you know you can Pi- get roasted with more names which I'm like. Oh we made it now. They get roasted with ten celebrities. That's representation but you're right there. Yeah Yeah Yeah now. I don't even think I know all the famous Asians anymore. It used to be like every single one that came along. It'd be like Oh man like an Asian space. I'm going to Google everything about this person now. Like twelve famous Asians in. I'm like even like trying to do this. Podcast don't even know if I got in battle right. Now if I go pipe leaks. Say something like Commun- Aquafina or something like that. I don't think they're going to be like look at Henry. Golding over here like I think they're gonNA do that. Definitely make like crazy rotations. Referees stuff like well. That's one thing I really love about your work within the battle rap. World's especially because seeing a lot of what you did there including what you do with your character prospect in the Joseph. Kahn directed battle APP SATIRE BODIED WHICH. I highly recommend which you're great and thanks. It was the easiest role playing battle rap. Exactly Yeah But one thing. I really love about what you've done in that space. Is You sort of turn the lens preemptively on that kind of easy racism? And you're like if you're gonNA come at me about these things like better than I can do. Because you're you're just being lazy and I I like that even with Asian Americans in entertainment right now in comedy too. I feel like there's a lot of reaction but there's not a lot of action in like how you rebuttal those that anger channel that anger. You know it's like to me. I see the way Sern Asian. Comedians react on twitter. And I'm like you're more angry than funny you know and you're a comedian. You know or a writer. I'm like why aren't you responding with some Funny Shit? That would have more of an impact. You've spent so long cultivating this music career of yours and evolved within that as dumbfounded. But you've recently really branched out more into acting. Tv and film. We've seen you in bodied year in detention before that on power power. Those like where I TV thing. Yeah what's what's been behind that branching out with the you've wanted to do for a long time for sure. Yeah I was in a when I was a kid like ten or eleven years old. I saw some thing on TV or they're looking for child actors and it was a scam thing where they charge a little money. You get head shots and all this shit but I did it. I dragged my mom to go do it and I got an agent and I was like I was doing commercial work. I wasn't like a playstation one commercial and like I grew up on television so I was like little attention whore child. I wanted to be an entertainment early on and then gone into high school and gum heavy into music and smoking mad weed. I got more into music. You know. So that's Kinda how it naturally happened. But I've always wanted to be a comedian actor being TV in film. That was my first love from like when I was young and now I feel like I was able to kind of come back to it and it was helpful that I had a little bit of cloud. Do the dumbfounded name to kind of get into rooms and pitch stuff and so I'm Kinda blessed in that way you know that I have had some experience in other departments to me. Fueled the actor career. My Ex questions about that and it's going to sound a little bit too nice of a compliment. I think it's just kind of what I think. You're a really good rapper. You know you're really funny. You Act like I've always kind of thought of us like Asian wills. Thanks man you know and I'm just I'm always sitting here wondering like why isn't dumbfounded in more stuff. Why isn't he more famous? And and so. I thought I'd ask you like why. Don't you think crazy? Rich Asians drug. You would've killed nine. I mean I just think gets. Its timing really for me to you know. I think I'm more aware of myself to you. Know and we comedy you kind of need that and you gotta GonNa grow into this person. Who's a little bit more vulnerable and could talk about stuff especially as a rapper? That's like a John. Rowe were reflects or you put a person on a lot you know. And it's hard to be a rapper and comedian. At the same time I feel like rappers take themselves like too serious a lot of times you have to tap into like more of a vulnerable. You can't take yourself too seriously as a comedian. You know I mean that's the complete opposite. I feel like when you express yourself as an artist like go to John. Yeah but it's changing I think for rappers exchanging allow you have dudes like drake. Who's willing to be silly and stuff? But that's kind of a newer thing really in hip hop there was cast back then but in general overall you know. I think we're seeing more of this like I'm a normal guy. Like little dicky to like you know Yeah I did you start being Asian American at your job for me like it was when I started writing about Asian American issues started advocating for more Asian American representation in the newsroom. And for me. It's it's similar like I for a long time in my career didn't WanNa lean into that. I wanted to be come respected in my own right. Who who I am. I think everyone goes to that in their job. You have like same way. You know terrified of the pigeonhole. Yeah like I'd get interviewed on like I was on this Carson Daley thing and they were like this is the Korean American rapper dumbfounded. I was like. Why was that even like I rap in English? You know what I'm saying. I rap in English but then I was like you know what fuck it. It's actually a huge part of my identity in a at that realization made me lean into it a lot more because I realized I hop on stage and whether or not I just want to be respected as a rapper like they see your current Asian Dude on stage. You can't hide that part like that's why one of the first things they even think before award and comes out of your mouth. You know what I'm saying. It is a part of your identity and I think you have to come to terms with that. Yeah you you. I remember interviewing you again at the exhibit at the Chinese American Museum. And you said something about how you know my side of myself with something that I shied away from Oh that more and then like started embracing and yeah so what caused that a lot of the battle stuff like like what. I talked about earlier like that one Asian gangsters that came up to me. It's like you're holding it down for people like you know like like in the words of Comedienne awards dead Prez. It's bigger than hip hop like. That's that's that moment where it became bigger than hip hop for me where I was like. Oh this is some other shit too. It's it's it's hip hop but it's something else too and I think that happens a lot of hip hop artists to. That's why hip hop is such a special genre in that culture because it's the music but it's really the things that people rap about in the music is totally relate to that like being introduced as a Korean American rapper. And you just want to be a rapper right like you know the things that like to identity. I feel like you know. American culture has made us feel ashamed of them or something like made them feel like they're encore something like I'm a taiwanese-american but if someone says that in the room when the wrong context going be like why did you say that well the thing about it is it's like no one really respects anybody who's ashamed of who they are. You know it could be Asian. It could be Latino black like if you're a shame yourself like no one respects that you know and I don't want other kids to kind of feel the same way. I did too gone up in that way. I think the more specific you get. What your experiences in music or art it resonates more universally well. That's again like why I really love when you rap about where you're from because it paints is really vivid very specific picture. You're proud of it. You made an entire song about cafe blue. I'm very that's the thing about me like I'm all. My songs are like very specific to very specific as I don't just make our love song. I'll make like very specific thing in a relationship. That's always been my thing cafe. Blue is the power goes to get John Creating. It's the Korean entertainers like bar. One night. You'll go there and you'll see like Daniel Day Kim there with like us Lee Aquafina me and then struggling actors complaining about the Industry Type Shit. I Yeah Yeah Yeah. There's I mean there's great food spots all around that particular bar but it's not like the it's not the most popular bar but it is the bar that's been around for a while and like a lot of Asian Americans have passed. David chose you know Eddie hongs and John and people know There's enough uncertainty to go around these days especially if you own a business. Luckily net sweet reduces it by giving you visibility and control with so many critical decisions to make. You need the right numbers and you need them right now. Net Suite by Oracle the world's number one cloud business system with net. 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Let's hear a little clip of that song. Right now. Shots never saw decided. She knows himself with anybody else. That's John. We know two day thing that Thong is like basically calling out Hollywood for for shutting stores to Asian faces. Yeah and the funny thing is. That was an inspired. Even about the lack of Asians that was actually inspired from when when the African American community called out. Oscars being so it wasn't about it wasn't like at the time like some angry. Asian person started like bringing that up. It was actually more about the black community during that time it was also a mixture of that and a mixture of Asians being made fun of at the Oscars during that time Onstage an Asian accountant Jo yes all these people black and white community fighting and we're just like kind of under the bus at the same time while that argument was happening so I was like how `bout lining it's hard yeah so Saddam kind of just a response to. That was my big like angry. Asian moment I guess this is so funny. The effect on the face like superimposing killed that I. It was really easy for me but the the homeys who worked on that you know that that video was was a super low budget video. Yeah one of my lowest budget videos and it had the most impact. Which is crazy picture? Dumb starring in titanic and now. I will never not picture that it was like a serious commentary your Megan but very funny image. I feel like it was a really nice calling card to be like A. Hey why why? Don't you cast them in more things? I know I know right. That was what I was trying more than anything I yeah. I wasn't passionate about the Asian voice and and I just wanted to a gig cheekbones in this book more gigs man. And it didn't work for me on that. Yeah things changed for you acting wise. I mean no. I'm still not getting anything I'm still not booking shit but the great thing is last year. I've focused a lot on writing and developing stuff. Because I think I'm I'm one of those artists. That kinda just has to do that. Like I don't see myself just like I'm GONNA book this one show and I'm going to be known for this guy. Like I think I have to write these roles that dyke relate to specifically when my story at least in the beginning to kind of get my foot in the door like people have to know me as a whole like WanNa be known as the one guy in this show. Yeah Guy who died in the law and order episode even power when I was in power for three episodes and that was my first TV Gig and I went in and I remember what they were looking for their wanted. A Yakuza type Asian gangster with a K. Pop Twist so like I was. I went into the Wardrobe. And and that's what they were trying to sow. Yeah so they like. I'm this Asian like drug son. Sunette addressing me up as a k pop star. I'm like this doesn't even make any sense. Like Santa Distinctive Flavor. Yeah as our Korean druglords son and my punishment was cutting my finger off like a Yakuza. Like nothing was making sense. Yeah it was. You have like a favorite line or bar or one. That's US think is underrated and that. Could you share that with this rapid for US I mean I wrote a song recently. That was like a very honest thing. It was called washed and there was literally the feeling of feeling like you're washed up in hip hop you know and now was like A. It's a funny song. But it's like super like brutally honest about yourself you know. I had a line on there where I was like. I'm talking about like like where I am in my career. You know where I'm like. I still don't have a Lambeau but I'm eating. Well it does in clubs my sandals. Pull some strings like it's a banjo. I gue- probably clear sample enough to be a sample. I just want a couple of thank yous in Washington. Bow Down to my ankle so it's just like very you know. I'm not there yet but I still. I can do this. You know and then you know kind of sad but anyway what's Nanos Nando? You know does like chicken spot in the UK. It's like fire like oh I don't know man come on man you gotTa know into the UK. Man I I don't globetronics fire fire. Fire chicken spot like crazy. Good okay so it's time in our program who we ask our guests to give us their bad Asian confession stories about times. They felt like a bad Asian. And we do this to try to unpack and uncover these weird and contradictory ideas. We sometimes have about identity so dumbfounded. What do you got? I don't know Boba Rocco. Yeah I know that's a little. That's a big one right like hot knife. Press the thing about it is. It's it's like I don't know like bubble has become the staple Asian thing and I don't even think it should be the state blazing thing like I don. I don't know like it's all right. It's cool but it it is all right. It is often all right Bobo around. I'm only Taiwanese grew up going back to Taiwan drinking and and really looking to it. That's the origin right. Yeah his insi- one you know. Yeah now it's like this thing where people have it like four or five times a week. I can't really get there. I don't like how it's become the thing like the Asian thing like you're on twitter. Everyone's like Asian Boba. That's like my friends. Read it about this recently. You know this mad woke Asians on twitter. Obsessed with Bobo like the Asian food. Well the funny thing is Franken I early in development of this podcast went on it lake a several day long. Boba fact-finding who we like drank Boba all across all across the city and into this GV and to the west side in it. Put ME IN LEGIT Boba Coma. It's really unhealthy. It gets pretty yes gets kinda heavy right like I mean. That's a lot of tapioca. Hey there listeners. Do you have a bad Asian confession you want to share with us? Call US at two one three nine eight six five six five two. 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Guest Host Rusty DeWees

The Dave Gram Show on WDEV

1:32:16 hr | 1 year ago

Guest Host Rusty DeWees

"The. Radio vermont. It's the Dave Graham show on WD. It's your show about the people places and the issues that matter the most to you now, here's your host, Dave Graham, Dave should come back anytime because Neil fight when it comes to hosting. I'm not book smart everybody. But thanks for tuning in. Call up your neighbors who don't listen normally today Graham, I can't imagine who that would be and tell them to listen because from nine to ten Natalie Miller, Nathan heart Swick, the owners in married couple and northeast kingdom kids they own Vermont comedy club. We're going to be talking about comedy, not necessarily Vermont comedy comedians who come from this place plays real headliners. In other words, if you haven't been to the comedy club over and Burlington, so nicest comedy club one will ever see it's brand new. We'll talk about. That and then John go, do, you know him? He's screenplay writer young Joan gun too young to the bait. The highwayman that's been making a big splash last month or two you could go on and not crouching dragon hidden tiger, the remake no, not the remake number two Dowell. Go. I said thunderheart movies and movies and movies and books. John Lewis co is running Hollywood from mud city. It's the truth. He's also blues musician he has a new album out, and he's got a million things. So that's ten to eleven and I've been here. I was in the studio and when I was sixteen first time playing drums with the new country. Sounds remember back when there are bands that you'd play at the VFW's and drinking ages eighteen and everybody came out. And there was no Netflix and hundred inch TV streams, well, Jack Donovan how to show here at the EV called Vermont live, and he would have the bans in and we'd pull the equipment up this little dinky back staircase and play. I remember I saying Margarita Ville Jacksonville has that tape. So it's nice to be here. Thanks corn for inviting me in day for having me sit in and Ken squire of known since I was ten and Dana for producing. Although he just went to the bath Ono, use MAC. Okay. All right. So the call in when you hear something you wanna ask a Natalie in Nathan it's two four four one seven seven seven or eight seven seven to nine one eight two five five. Hello. I got a question. Yeah. Go ahead. Who are you? Yeah. I'm talking too much. Let's get to the real. What's your? Which is not the regular host of the show. Is there any value to having me here to ease? I don't think he ever said his name. Oh, we're glad to have you across the table from us. You don't have to say your name. If you got this voice. He knows. No one knows for having us. We would not get up this early for many anybody. Let's talk about that Vermont comedy club. Let's not even start at the beginning. Let's talk about last night was Monday night. What do comedy club owners do on a Monday night that you wouldn't want to get up early in the morning? Wow. Last night actually is pretty chill Mondays were closed. But because that's the night that we're closed. It's the night that we actually rehearse with our improv team. So we have our our we work on our nights off not every county club owner is also on an improv team. That's true. We are. And that's the night we've chosen as our night off to do more comedy related things. So this could be one thing that differentiate you from all the of the rug tag comedy owners because they may be across the country. They may be just business, folks. But you are both. Let's talk about that. Yeah. So I mean, we started as performers first. And then we as we grew our business. We started learning more having to learn more and more things we I would say we got a masters in business. Equivalent without any of the debt. Well paid. You're paying yourself to to get your masters. Yeah. Not well, but you're paying yourself. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it's it's really was a steep learning curve. But but we got there. Various points in this process. You know, we've had two we've had to scale back the amount of comedy that we can do. And that's never a good thing. Because whole reason we got into this because we love comedy. And so whenever we find ourselves getting to obviously, you have your eye on the ball. And you gotta have your eye on your business. But but but anytime we find that like, oh, we're getting a little grouchy here. And this is getting really hard. It's probably because women on stage in awhile. I think that part of it is so important for us just to keep keep our foot in the game and keep making people laugh because that's what we got into it for. Maybe there's a theme here. I think a lot of the organic boutique Vermont people whether you write books are produced comedy. Yeah. Or grow vegetables, Pete Johnson for beat screens. He's running around doing the business thing. He likes to grow turnips. So I think it's important for artists to know. Hey, I paint this picture painting. But no one's going to buy this. I get out there myself is that kinda what? Yeah. Absolutely. So we I think we've both always been people that have subscribed to. The idea that if a an opportunity wasn't presenting itself that you needed to create the opportunity for yourself. And I think also that we know that the arts have value, and so not being afraid to charge. What we're worth for service that we're providing and that surface just happens to be making people laugh. Let's put those two things head to head. You guys have one night where you've been hired the two of you to play for company at one of the hotels out there. And it's there's four hundred people there, and you go on stage, and you do new bits and bits. And it just clicks, you go home with that entertainment. Hi is that high more desirable? Then the high when you to deuce weekend from a headliner comic. It's sold out. People had fun. The comic funny. No one was hurt which high would be the one that you would do about the the difference between a raging success as a comedian a raging success as a business owner. Correct. That's really hard. That's tough. Because there's definitely the high of of like standing on the side of the room or in the back of the room and watching a sold out room full of people laughing at a comedian on stage in our club is huge. Like, that's the kind of. Thing that we had looked forward to dreamed about for you know, almost a decade before it opened. And so that's really big. But I don't know being on staging getting laughs. That's also I would argue. Things you just talked about are kind of one of the same because they're the emotional part. And the you know, the creative part of comedy. And you know, if you're talking about like, the thrill for from watching a soul that weekend knowing that. Oh, great. We can pay our bills. That's good. And that's exactly like, it wouldn't be very good business owners. If we if we didn't care about that part. But I think that that does feel like always a little bit secondary. Probably because we started as comic. So like the emotional part about like watching a whole room full people. Whether we are the people onstage making them laugh or not that's really what we're in it for, you know, you're like the clothes the clothes batik owner, though, you you who goes down to New York to the Javits center and picks the things that they want people to buy. And so when you've picked comic, and it's a thrill. It's partly that minutes nowhere near when you're up there. And you hear the little giggle come from the back and you hear the big default. That's your opinion because you're a performer. Well, I've produced. And it's different. So we will crowd out there listening. We will get back to the beginning part here. But we're we're already into the middle and end part here. The twenty fourth and twenty fifth of may you have a special guest coming into the Vermont company club here. Four has not played ever a comedy club. That's me. We're very excited gas rusty to ease. You will be there. It's gonna be really fun our audiences are so great to like, the people who come out to the comedy club are just wonderful, and you can come there. And you get, you know, get around drinks and get some food and like enjoy a show toes where it is. It's at one on one main street in Burlington right in downtown Burlington couple blocks from the Flynn, go blocked up for the Flint, and in the old armory building, which many people know because as the place that used to be hunts Shana. And then was dormant for ten years after the fire. So we've take retaken over that building. And it's it's a beautiful venue now enduring the process when you were saying, let's do this. How'd you stumble upon that? Jim. I mean that has to be darn good location for comedy club. How it was. It was a very happy accident. I actually it's crazy because I remember one of the I can dates Nathan I ever went on. We were walking a dog. He was dog setting. We were walking dog by that building as it was abandoned, and we both looked in. And we're like all this would be an incredible place for theatre some kind of like there has to be something to go in this. And then you know, you fast forward seven years after that. And. It just happened. I was serving on the board of directors of the south end arts and businesses sociation, which is this great nonprofit in Burlington, and I was sitting on the board with a guy who's in real estate in Burlington, and we had heard that a hotel the Hilton garden inn had had bought that property and was getting built. And so he just assumed that was what that was. And he heard that I was looking for space and kind of tap me on the shoulder. And was like, did you know that they're six thousand square feet in the bottom of that building? That's still available which no one really knew everyone thought that the hotel was going to take up the whole thing. So we got in there. We took one step in. And we're like, oh, this is it and just jumped on it. As soon as we were able goes to show you though, you weren't spending your time off walking the dog every night you were on the board. Oh, yeah. We're on the board. That's where you heard about that. This is this is the luck that you've had your your. Integrated into into the the society out there. And that's why these things go on. Yeah. I think it's really important if you're a business owner, or I mean, just as a person to be invested in your community and to be involved. And so, you know, at the time we had a small studio space where we were teaching our comedy classes in the south end. And so I thought it was important to be a part of that community and it worked out. Tell me about the community. We'll we'll talk about the big time people you have at the club actually, eight two four one seven seven seven one seven seven seven three seven eight seven seven to nine one eight two five five call in Natalie in Nathan tells about what it looks like when we walk in there. If we've never we're up we're up right now by the floating bridge or sitting in got our AM radio on when we walk into this comedy club. There's roaches. There's been there's needles into back in the green room is this what we're seeing here. Transporting yourself to like nineteen seventies New York City. Let's. You know, we wanted to design the club as something as a as a place that looked like you were not anywhere in Vermont, which is very fun. And there's you know, there's a big bar and bright purple walls. And it's it their pictures, pop art style. Comedian paintings that Kyle Thompson did all over the the space. Basically, it's we get a lot of people saying, oh, it's so clean in here. It's like high ceilings, it's very bright kind of you know, industrial but with like pops of color kind of kind of space, and there's like when people come in off the street they end up in the bar. They have their I drink, socialize. And then they go around the corner of the box office, and that sort of opens up into a hundred you don't see the you don't see the club from the street. Right. So you so you're seeing you know, you're coming into a bar, and you're kind of like having your first drink in the lounge there, and then you're going into the theater, the theater is one hundred sixty seats all at cabaret, like small coverage tables, we have full table service in their people. Can get their drinks. What are you eating eating? What are you serving for where we're serving there's fried food, of course. So there's like French fries sweet potato fries, chicken tenders pootie. Oh, yeah. Ooh. The Putin's really good. Our next guest. Joan Fujiko wrote a blues song. It's a big hit rate was called Putin. Putin really really good now of I've been there. I've watched some shows, and I really not just saying this. I was really the staff that you have just comes and goes, and I never because that's important because I've been on stage doing comedy, and it's important that the people are not distracted. Although if I always say if the audience is distracted by a waitress or something that I'm not doing my job either as the comic. But really, how do you train these folks trained? Well, they're wonderful. Our sapphires is the best and they're really just like they're like ninjas they're sneak in and out of the room. And we just try to try. Them by saying not to distract from the from everything they have some some signs that they'll do about. Like, oh, do you want another round? So they don't have to talk so much during the show. It's like, you know, they said that, you know, Ginger Rogers did everything Fred Astaire did backwards and in heels this is like a restaurant serving job, except you can't talk and it's in the dark. Trays glasses, and you can't talk gonna be playing the Vermont comedy club may twenty fourth and twenty fifth get on their website. But we're talking about staffing the people that go around and serve the good drinks. Look good food. Everybody all here on the street are from small business people as oh it's hard to find help. What's your deal there? So I think we're lucky in that we are based in Burlington, and we're primarily looking for part time help. So there is a big college population. There we generally a lot of our employees will work for us for. I mean, we've only been open for three and a half years, and some of our employees we've had for the entire time. We've been we don't have the same kind of turnover. But we hire less on experience and more based on just personality. So we haven't had a ton of problems hiring though, kitchen staff that has been a challenge we've just gotten very lucky in that we've found some really great people via word of mouth, but whenever we doesn't hurt. The I think I mean when people want to work at a comedy club. Like, there's some good perks to work at a comedy club. And we do have a reputation it's pretty easy to see. We're just talking about this in the car on the way up here about how like how nice our staff is to each other. And there's no drama. Everybody's likes each other. They like working together. And when someone comes in considering working there, and they see that vibe, the they wanna be a part of it which helps reflection on you. And how you choose people listeners Natalie in Nathan there from the northeast you're talking about two people who are interested in show, business and comedy. And performing there. Now worrying about buying French fries and broken. Well, no, there aren't broken cheers. Because the places so new and hiring people and the light that has to be fixed. So they're not fooling around. This is an interesting couple of folks here. So because you have the business end the show combined and they just dumped jumped him face face first or feet for face first feat for. Faye? Where society put to hook debris, really deep into the Waterbury. The nifty five fifty AM five fifty year on the nifty five fifty to bring us because we all love that were Vermont is tell us about your backgrounds. Very monte. Yes. So I grew up in the northeast kingdom lived near the right near the kingdom trails, and I don't know. I mean, I went to Linden town school. I went to Lyndon institute. My my dad teaches at Linden town school. So we're we're up there. And and I did a very close to my house. There's a children's theater that I kind of got my start in performing arts at called Vermont children's theatre and at the time Nathan's family ran that we didn't know each other because he's a little bit older than I am at the time. But that is just the time you've caught up now if we. And so we kinda you know, my mother also taught in Lyndon institute she taught chorus and she was hard core. We kinda live these parallel lives. And then when we were adults we got we got our arms twisted to be in this little like like small cast comedy musical. And that's that's where we ended up meeting. But it was funny to to meet each other as adults and be like, oh, yeah. I know. So and so I know I went to school this younger brother, we had a we had a lot in common for all. You folks out there, Richard before we are you the the ride here was sounds to me like you to start started out. Maybe as little little youngsters more into the musical stuff. Your European player. I went to college for musical themes theater death. And I get my whole family as musical, including my my sister, who some people might know. Jennifer hurts like she's a professional musician, and is amazing. So, yeah, we our whole family played music growing up and ran that the and stuff so. Yeah. Theater music, all that was a big part of our childhood and then comedy came a little later professionally, but I think comedy, I mean comedy was a big part of both of our lives what he shows to make your own fun. You know, there are a lot of creative and very very funny people from the northeast kingdom because you really have to create your own fun. So it gives you an idea listeners. A how old they're not that they're not that young because they're still the generation where they created their own fun. You know, they just didn't get on on a Netflix. Oh, I had a question. What the heck was it? I forget when we come back. We're going to break in. There's a little news Dana has some news. But we wanna take some calls at two four one seven seven seven eight seven seven to nine one eight two five I wanna talk specifically about what who comes to your theater your comical. But what I was going to say is you don't usually have a lot of music on stage with these comics who are coming from all over the country. But I'm going to be playing a little music on the twenty fourth and twenty fifth little bit. It'd be funny. Yeah. I believe it just because I'm funny when I sing it's just a funny thing to hear me out funny. I sound fun. And I'll play I think I got a funny one. So. What if you're going to go to a show at the Vermont comedy club, a headliner named people would know the show starts when ends when and how much are we paying? It kinda depends the shows during the winter are at seven PM and nine thirty pm during the summer that early show gets pushed, so we've just changed our hours. So that the early show that seven thirty now in the late show is still at nine thirty and the shows usually run anywhere between an hour and ninety minutes so hour to an hour and a half. I mean, we do shows. Generally, we bring headliner in the headliner early one show Thursday to Friday to Saturday see a lot of chances to see them. And it's an it's a great time. You can come. You can come hungry and get some food and drink or you can come after dinner ticket for the show the ticket serves roughly every fifteen and thirty dollars, depending depending on who it is. You have like a VIP ticket normally. Yeah. And that comes with you you get seated. I you get seats right next to the stage because you're seated I you also get served. I it's a really good experience. Especially if you want to really feel like you're involved in the act, not every median talks to people. But if you're in that VIP section do proud work on a date, and you're looking to impress somebody. That's nice way to do that. Oh, my show we have to twenty fourth and twenty fifth. I'll be the Vermont comedy club. How do people get tickets for any show, Vermont comedy club? They want to go to our website V, T comedy dot com. V T comedy dot com. Would there be a phone number? They could call for the eight oh, two eight five nine zero one zero zero. It's easy to go to comedy clubs to see Vermont comedy. We'll be back after this break with and naked. Spring long-awaited much celebrated upstairs at the almost world-famous. Warren store you will find colorful clothing for men. Women and children bulls, mugs, candles cards and gift wrap. Puzzles toys and games jewelry CBD products, local soaps, more that's one stop shopping for months. According to Yankee magazine, come for lunch on our deck and enjoy a fun funky and friendly world class shopping experience in the beautiful mad river valley. Morin store in Morin village. Vermont open nine to six everyday. Dave Graham show on WD, FM and AM. The hope they've grams feeling better he gets in here. And this is your usually kind of politically. So sometimes often a politically show and today, it's but a lot of times it's small business for Mont. So today, we're Nalen that with Natalie Miller, Nathan Hartwick who own and run and are also performers that from aunt comedy club. Call in please. We don't have to be a legislator for you to be asking questions. Jesus. Anyway, two four one seven seven seven I'm not into the political much but eight seven seven to nine one eight two five five and we were going to speaking of. Those who serve us in Montpellier right now sitting down there eating organic food out of that cafeteria sitting around as if it is actually high school have they ever called on you to entertain there. I remember early on they called on me. And I went into the rotunda there, and I did it full bore, and it was kind of fun. We've never we've never played the state house before. But we've had I've seen many politicians come to the club on the weekend with their families or whatever. But no, we've never we've never played the state house. That's life goals. I think more often were we're on. We're on stage doing improv and we're doing political, satire speaking. Sometimes we're skewering the politicians from the stage. Yeah. How how much do in your material? I you sitting around going. Hey, no, I can answer this for myself because I do, hey, I'm going to do political humor. Because Stephen Colbert does it and it's really the thing to do now. And it seems like people like that you don't decide that and do that. No. I think you know, comedians comedy has always been based off of observation. Right. It's it's commenting on what's happening in our world. And so it's all there's always been political comedy people are are thinking now like, oh, everyone's this like political communities like, well, if even if you listen to people, you know, from the sixties or seventies. Like, it's there. Always Ben political comedy because you're commenting on what is happening in your world. But you don't dial it down. Just because it seems like now it's worse. Everybody says divided. I don't think we're divided. I walked down the street, and it does not seem like people are divided. But anyway, you don't dial it in there and say, hey, we can make money off telling this type stuff. No, I think it depends. You know, if you're a comedian, and you have an act sometimes if you're if you're a headliner you're going to do your act and people are gonna come and they're going to like it or they're not comedy is subjective. But if you're doing like, a private gig or something, I've certainly changed my material on the fly when I've walked into a room and realize that maybe some of my jokes that are a little more political leaning or a little dirtier or whatever won't land, you know, then you can change your jokes on the fly. So that you do better for the audience given audience I was going to ask. What's well talk about comedy? I listened to these listen to comedians because I don't wanna hear their stuff because then they'll do something. I'll say gained do that. Oh, I was thinking about doing that. I had three minutes on that. Now, I can't do that. But I listen to how they talk about it and the business, and when when this me too stuff came up, there's a couple of big time comedians that got me to and what was because as a big deal that that is a big deal not so much in the news. But for while it was when you're running a comedy club here. And and comedy is some stuff it's this side or that side of the line are on the line or or or just off the top of your head, and you got guy comics and some girl comics, what will you guys feel like like, oh, we have to not have this person. Or that person? Was there a big shift for you there? What do you do? Now. I mean, there wasn't a big shift for us because I think we only want to work with nice people. And even though that was like a big I think we're talking about Louis CK that was a big like explosion in the news. There were rumblings of that for years and years and years like we we run a comedy club in Vermont. And I had heard things about that. So, you know, we just wanna work with nice people who treat other people with respect and that didn't change because suddenly there's a movement, which is great. I think as a female comedian and a female business owner who's dealt with my my share of. Expletive. Yeah. Sexism. We only want to work with nice people. So it really hasn't been like, oh shoot. Now. We can't book this person because we never would have booked them in the first place. Yeah. That's not to say that, you know, something can come out about somebody that we have booked or book in the past. But, but you know, at this point, you know, and the people who are like getting blown up by that. Are you know, Louis C K is so large? Anyway, that's something. Somebody would have had on the roster anyway. Well, I would like to think that joy Seinfeld being married to a cell of Burlington high school girl. I think that you know, if they're up here -cation of like to think that this guy would maybe just call you up and say, hey, can that come on down. And what happened? Okay. Let's let's say you're signed. Let's go to see world. Let's go to fancy suggests for, yuck. She had to thought about this your business people Jerry Seinfeld up here with his wife. Vacationing in her hometown. He says connect come probably these guys just show up. And of course, he's going to get us. What if he calls how do you deal with obviously he gets time? He gets the whole night, you bump me. For the whole night. But how do you do with that? As far as a media getting people in there getting the getting we're going to have a call on a minute. Forbes. Thank you for calling getting it and getting getting the most out of Jerry Seinfeld playing your thing. What goes what goes to work? So, you know, it's it's interesting because we've had some drop ins we had Kevin James came and did a show. He his agent called us the the day before and the show sold out. We sent a blast out to our mailing list. Because they're our most loyal fans and we wanted to give them first dibs on the tickets. And so that sold out immediately. So we didn't really need to promote it. I mean, I mean leading like now people know that Kevin James just called you up went on. I mean afterwards. Don't you wanna like spew that everywhere that particular one I took some photos, and I said into his management, and they're like, no you can't both. We couldn't even talk about. It was crazy. But it was you know, the crazy part is where such comedy super fans that like every time if we have a famous person come to the club that's exciting. But mostly for our the fans of the comedy club. I'm honestly, I get more excited when there's somebody who's super up and coming who's like blowing up like Michelle wolf, we just whole weekend with her but two years ago, she came in sold half the room. But like we kind of knew at that point. She's on her way up, and it's so fun to see that happening. Happy people be willing to play the club when they get big actually someone who's playing this weekend, Joel booster. And he they just yesterday. He his pilot got picked up, and he's going to be on a major network sitcom this fall. So it's like, yeah. This is the last time. To in a in two years. He's going to be playing the Flynn, and he'll be too big. He'll be too big for the club. So it's really exciting. When we people because we know like, this is a funny person. They've got a lot of talent they work really hard. They're really nice people, and they come and they just annihilate at the club. They just. When they're big and famous two years later, they'll still play your club. And and we'll take a call in one second. But Michelle wolf was the the lady that did the Washington correspondents' dinner last year for for those of you listening, and I heard that and then she never did it again. I thought it was really I thought she was really fun. She's fantastic writer. She's a she's an incredible writer the Sarah Huckabee thing, I it didn't bother me. But anyway, I like, sir. I think she does your anyway Forbes and east current how you doing Forbes bureau with Natalie Miller and Nathan Hartwick owners of comedy club. Hey, man. Sitting in an audience watching some of the performance. This is easy enough to tell when something is totally canned or a half can and half natural. How the material that's used as generated. Doesn't great question. I love the question. We talk a lot about this. Because I teach stand up comedy class. And we do a lot of kind of development of material in that class. Everybody starts in the same place with stand up. You know, the people who you see who are famous all started from an open mic just like anybody else. And the process really is like I call it a magic trick. Because almost everything you see a comedian do onstage is planned. It's all written and practiced over and over and over again, with the exception of something spontaneous that happens in the room, if they talk to the audience or something, and when they develop that material the magic trick is can I deliver this material every night and have it feels Montana's because it's supposed to feel like a spontaneous kind of conversation with the audience for that night. But, but you have to create the illusion that you are the funniest, you know, dinner party guest that's ever existed, and to do that it takes it takes time and practice to like be able to speak until stories in a way that gets. Laugh every five seconds. So, but it has to feel natural. So it's a skill that they practice very hard. And that's why we bring people back, you know, every year and a half to two years because generally people are working towards they're working on the same material. So that they can eventually do a special they'll do a special and then they throw all material away and they start on a new set. And then that's when we'll bring them back again. Yeah, you can go. You can go to you know, your favorite band, all you want. Here's the hits. But if you go to a comedian a bunch of times you hear the same jokes over and over again because it's based in surprise. It's like, well, I heard that joke already finished getting more difficult for these known comedians because his YouTube, so they do the joke once and then people here when I do your club the twenty fourth and twenty fifth when I went out last September with with my tour Patrick went and did fifteen dates, man. I went out basically Colt Turkey with new stuff and some of it's working really well now, so I'll be like two-thirds new and one third old. They're the people are going to wanna hear. So it's really really interesting. We'll that file of file cabinet of stuff. There's also the difference between Santa an improv. So we've been talking about stand up comedy, but improv comedy, which we do a lot of fun as well is all made up on the spot. And so we got a word from the audience, and then you just create comedy based off of that were. Using that as an inspiration and all of improv made up on the spot. Call in two four four one seven seven seven two Natalie Miller, Nathan hearts, eight seven seven to nine one eight two five. However, I find that by the way, I taught that comedy class of this year. Again, there were four students. It was fantastic. Thanks for coming in last year. Fantastic. The big one of the big guys he returned. There's Johnny Fujiko JR. By the way, John goes coming in the second hour, you're going to want to hang in. And listen for him. I think when we talk improv like, plus I do crowd work a lot of crowd work now, which is when your own stage. Somebody sneezes you make fun of him or whatever you do. But improv, I think people think, hey, it's improved. But you improv folks, I'm not one. There are thing. You know, there's a way to do certain type of improv. You're not just going. Hey are improv group is six people and we get together every once in a while. And we stay in there. Tell us stuff. No, they're they're forms. You follow? Yeah. Definitely. There are a lot of different forms of improv there. Short form improv which is like who's line is it anyway, where you're playing games short like, you know, three minute games. And then you switch up the rules of the games. Then there's all kinds of long form the herald, and the are Mondo and all these different forms hitting different points on your. The form that we do every like we have a show not only that we're in every Thursday at nine o'clock at the club. And it is basically like we we create an improvised comedic play for you. That's never existed. And it's and because you know, the skills required to do that. Are you know, are such that you can practice those skills? We're not classes at the club, improv classes as well. Where we teach people to say, yes. And which is the basic tenant as long as you're accepting the reality or seen partner is putting on out. And then adding something to it, then that's what gets the steam going. You know, but you can you can practice the skills. But then you go you throw it all away you go on stage. And then you create something totally from scratch together with your friends. Not only Miller Nathan hearts, married. Couple who run own Vermont comedy club. Call two four one seven seven seven eight seven seven to nine one eight two five tell us the lineup weekly. It changes some but mostly people can get on your website to get tickets for the headliners or come to the improv. What's the line of weekly? Yeah. So when's we're? Open Wednesday through Sunday and Wednesday is open mic night. So if you are wanting to try. Sign ups are at six thirty. And then the open mic runs from seven to eight thirty everyone gets three minutes, and anyone can go up on stage as long as they you know, they got a slot usually fills up, but you, you know, you get three minutes, and you can say whatever you want on stage try and tell jokes and then it moves onto the next person. And we have some established people trying new material, and we have a bunch of people who are doing it for the first time. So that's really fun. And then there's an improv show after that. And then headliners come in Thursday Friday Saturday, our our show that we do is Thursdays at nine and then Sundays is a rotating local show. So it might be a local standup show last night. I did an all female lineup or sorry Sunday night. It didn't all female lineup. Other nights. It might be a sketch comedy show, which is written in advance more like comedic play. We sort of our vision for this thing was that it was kind of a hybrid between an improv theater and a stand up club. So the stand. Club part is Thursdays through Saturdays. We have these national level headliners coming in and then in the margins, you know, all the other slots, essentially, we're putting the these improv shows and sketch shows and things that are more you might associate more with an improv theater. So you own a small business. And your comedians. But now your business people this is kind of a business politically show. What would you say to what what would you say is the thing one thing or two things you do not want to do when you're jumping into something as cold feet, as you did what you if you had a chance to do it over again, you wouldn't do the following the whole thing just kidding? Good question. I think listening to people who have experience is the most important thing to do. So a mistake is I mean, we have we have some great people who have been advising us along the way. And I can think of a number of times where they've told us to do something, you know, whether it's like trying get more seats in there. Maybe you want to design the club is different way because the pathways between the kitchen and the show room or whatever it is. And we will we would say oh with that's not going to be. That's not how it is at our club. And then, of course, six months later, we're like, oh, we should listen to this person. So just listening to people with more experience and really like collaborating is something that is really difficult to do when you're emotionally invested in your idea. And you have this vision for what you think it should be and then people keep chipping away at that vision saying, you know, what you make more money if this or maybe this is about idea, and then it kills you to admit their right? But then you know, if. If you're not willing to accept that kind of stuff. That's when stubborn people drive their own businesses into the ground. Right. Well, you you also have that already thing in your head that maybe a lot of business people don't have so much. They're more just boom practical in your life. Well, me this artistic vision doesn't melt in with the practical artistic and community based. So I mean, we're really a community based we're gonna say shit. We have a an amazing comedy community here in Vermont. And we wanna make sure that we're providing stage opportunities that were providing classes and professional development, and, you know, great opportunities for local people. So. Yeah. Just to jump in on that. Like, that's something that I think we've done. Well, is that we've really invested in the comedy community in Vermont. I've seen other places with other clubs where they create this very Tagore. Stick thing where it's like, you can only do shows at our club. And you can you know, it's just it doesn't work and because we're such a small community. It's it behooves us to be developing talent all the time. We're we're a market that people get good, and then they moved to New Yorker, L A or whatever. So we have to keep generating talent. And in order to do that, we're constantly, you know, were encouraging people to go start their own shows at other venues, and we're you know, we're trying to get people as much stage time on our stages possible. So they get better. So that we have you know, openers for the headliners on the weekend. So there's all these things that I think is just so important to like to think of it as a as a community that you're a part of as opposed to us in them. You know, have you ever had trouble with these so-called headline? Are they they mostly because the comedians, you think of the old days, you know, Lenny Bruce, these boys coming in and girls coming in half lit. You know, have you ever had any trouble like where is so? And so it's five minutes before the show. Once but I'm gonna. Yeah. No. Yeah. Once we had someone who came in and a fan had brought them some some substances, and they were not used to how how good I mean for Mont Vermont has a lot of growing. Great yet. The really great growers, and they weren't used to it. And they were not sure if they were going to be able to go onstage. They ended up going on stage doing fine. And no one knew but five minutes before they were pacing around the back hall telling me, I don't know if I can go on stage, and that was tariff that was a terrifying moment. Luckily, we mostly book, you know, we book pros, and they show up trying to say, absolutely. Yeah, we that that really only happened once in full most for years, I'm just saying because maybe still still exists. The old cliche the entertainer and the showbiz people are just running around loopy. But I don't find that. If you're loopy, you're not even being. Seen or heard because it you have to treat whatever show business thing you're doing as we have since the very first weekend that we opened we make a point to ask the headliners who come in like give us a list of three to five other people who you personally think are at the top of their game who are easy to work with who are nice, and who are incredibly funny. And so we then we can reach out to agents based off of those lists. So we're always kind of like doing it almost based on referral comic comic referral. So we know that we're going to get people who are easy to work with and who are really talented. You're in a business of fun. You're in a business of please come and pay the nominal far as I'm concerned of ticket fee that you guys in girl here going are charging for your top rate top flight, entertainment, and you send people out happy. Absolutely. It's really really nice. We we hear a lot of the time. People will leave. A show and to say thank you so much like we needed to laugh we've really needed to laugh, whether it's just the constant state of like news on news on news. Like, you're on Facebook and Instagram, and there's just like the constant news cycle can be really exhausting or Trump winning. Yeah. Exactly in their personal life. But it's really nice to be able to provide that that's great. So it's it's Vermont comedy club three and a half years old folks with your ears to the radio horn get if you're not in Burlington would you maybe get to Burlington get on the Google, Google your Google, Vermont comedy club. These are to Vermont people who started this, and it's thriving and the top rate. I'm actually going to be there the twenty fourth and twenty fifth. So what's the website again for them to tickets to my show? It's VAT comedy dot com. V T comedy dot com. And then then you can eat you can eat. You can go there and Drake you can come in. You can have dinner you can have drinks. Servers will come around to doing the whole show parking is very close this it's street parking. But there's also there there's actually a new parking garage. That's like one block over. So there's plenty of options you could just get a hotel room upstairs and spend the night. If you get real crazy people do that a lot actually too much genie. Thanks. Thanks for coming in. And we got about a minute left and thanks for coming in chatting it up. Yeah. We're really looking forward to having the club the end of may as well. Is that does that marathon Thon weekend? I believe it is how these people. Well, the narrator until Sunday. So how are we going to get the people who are running? Load up with us. We'll carbo load up. I'm going to be doing some social media right outside the club will do some videoing and stuff and get folks in there because you have the people that Mark are fans might not have known heretofore about your place. We want to get them in there. And we want to get your people that come that. Don't know me in there to win women. It's gonna be a great week Vermont. Hang in Dane is gonna take around in John buse, go big time Hollywood he's coming in. We'll see. We'll see. Spring long-awaited much celebrated upstairs at the almost world-famous warrants store. You will find colorful clothing for men, women and children bulls, mugs, candles cards and gift wrap. Puzzles toys and games jewelry CBD products, local soaps, more that's one stop shopping for months. According to Yankee magazine, come for lunch on our deck and enjoy a fun funky friendly world class shopping experience in the beautiful mad river valley. Morin store in Warren village. Open nine to six everyday. Dave Graham show on WD EV. I'm home now for the summer. So we've got to got to get over the. Oh, hey. Just her John Russkoe voice. I don't know. John Lewis goes a screen writer, and many many many things and he's our guest. How you doing John doing real world talk right into that thing there yet? And but we're going to go we going right down to Washington. But dole forget to hang on. Because John foods goes the most interesting man in the world, and you had that look on your face when I told you who's calling it Tom's Terry from talk media news time, you gotta greenhorn here. How you doing down there you in Washington? I am in Washington up there. Well, it's good rain mountain country. I don't know what you heard about us to morning, Tom. But in elevations about fifteen hundred up we had an interest no on three inches of snow this morning. So that's how we're doing. We like it though may what do you? That's right. Where you where you literally sitting right now in the Pentagon in my in my little booth. Okay. Who do you work for I work for media news, talk media news? And just go for it, man. What what what do you wanna tell us up? Here in north central Vermont and all around for mont-. Oh, Well, I I I loved the state. So that's that's always good. I have a good calling it works up there. He always tells me on ice it is. But right now, you know, gone is yet again responding to war talk of the White House this time about Iran reports out last Thursday, how they were told they Pentagon with toll to come up with revise and update the plan to invade Iran, and that fans have a hundred and twenty thousand troops to go into Iran because we've already, you know, started a war enough ghanistan in Iraq that keep going on. So why not go for the country and between I'm here with a man named John Fujiko who who wrote a rights, movies, and TV's, and and young guns and young guns two and thunderheart. He just wrote the movie the highwayman you may have heard of. But he may have a question for you. He knows about things all over the world. But highway man with with Kevin Costner. Kevin costner. Woody harrelson. That's john. Yeah. That's a great movie. Thank you very much. I appreciate it. Yeah. We've been out on net flicks for several weeks now, and we've had you know, over fifty million viewers some talking to you because God at the Pentagon is name half pre. But he runs the he's a civilian great guy. Great guy, you I always got movies, and we share titles that we think the guy would like to see he strongly recommended the highway men's me about a month and a half ago. You know, I watched it immediately. And just I just was really taken with it was so well done so well written so well directed I appreciate it. You know to labor love for me took me sixteen years to get it made. You wrote upside my ignorance, you did you write it? Yeah. I wrote the screenplay and great, you know, I had I had grown up. Interested in the character. Frank Hamer who had been really maligned in the classic money, CLYDE moving. And so I wanted to set the record straight until his side of the story about what what really went down. And I wasn't a thing that I'm signing up. Popular tapped about it. We both concurred one thing. I really liked the on the story itself. Which was just I was the way that I got to see how America seemingly was in that timeframe the migrant camps the way the conditions were in different cities and towns, it was just fascinating. It was such a realistic. It was if I was a time machine with that. They're all love to hear that. Because I use the expression all the time. You know, you are creating a time machine. Side. They'll your words. Yeah. No it's perfect because you're right, though. Because you know, it was the the great depression when newspaper circulation was plummeting and people didn't want to read about depressing economic news. They were interested movie stars splashy, sports, heroes and flashy gangsters. And so that's how body and CLYDE became embraced by the public and glory and one of the last things when they're in the car back into town and people are just, you know, reaching try to pull something off the bodies. Wow. I mean. Yeah. That was incredible cap capital underscoring, what you just said about the bachelor they had turned out for the funerals and. Arcadia, Louisiana, they call it the shame of Arcadia when they told that car down. And when I was doing a press tour, quite a few people asked me, if we exaggerated, and I said, no we actually played it down because women women were taking their kerchiefs and dabbing it into Bonnie's blood there. Tried to cut off clydes ear his trigger finger Frank Hamer was trying to do crowd control. But the that Tom population exploded from six thousand to seventeen thousand as they told that car through it became like Woodstock nineteen thirty four big event. That's well that was that was a great movie, and you know, and I I'm all for, you know, not to talk about myself. But one of the things driven me as a journalist reporter over all these years sort of tell the full story, the true stories of people in, you know, Frank Hamer was court trashed in the in the body and CLYDE movie and Texas Rangers were sort of trashed as well. Their behavior different parts of the state. And I think that your movie, you know, really put the show showing the the light of honesty on on the situation. I won't ask John something in front of you. I think did I read John Hamer's wife got in touch with you or the family to. Well, what happened was when when I pitched this side of the story to a producer. And he commissioned me to write it. I told him I would not do this unless I got the blessing of Frank Hamer junior who was in his nineties still alive in Austin. And see I knew that Frank junior and his mother the late. Gladys Hamer had sued Warner Brothers for character defamation and they want large settlement. So Frank junior. Did not want to take any calls from Hollywood. So what I do. I did some research into his background found that he had once been a game warden, and thank you, Vermont fish and wildlife who put in a call for me and said this guy is done right along with us for research on another project and. You know, he's all right. So Frank junior invited me to Austin, and he became a good friend, and he opened up he gave me full access to his father's papers and research, an old depositions involving Bonnie, and CLYDE and Frank passed away did not get to see the movie, but in the grandkids did, and they they feel that they've gotten some some vindication. And it was very emotional involving the Hamer family in the early screenings, Tom. What was what was caught ner? Sorry. Well with Costner in house today, reacted kind of storytelling. Well, you know, consonant is I think he's like a throwback to the Gary Coopers and one of the last guys around can still pull off the western ethos and character, and and Woody the same you know, that we had a real Texas component to the film with John Lee Hancock being Texan. And they just they really. Embraced it Costner's. Just twenty four seven. I mean, we shot the actually shot the ambush scene at the actual site on the actual road in the actual ditch. And I remember I remember showing up in the morning and just seeing Concer inconstant standing out in the middle of that road staring at the actual bend in the road that that car came around. And he really he just lived and breathed Frank came. But Tom, I think. This is your show. I didn't mean to. No, no knows. No. I wanna say. I wanted to go go. Go ahead. I was going to tell you that. And I won't tell the story because it takes too long. It's not my show. But I have a Woody Harrelson story where I was at war correspondent for many years, and I come into war in Bosnia. And what he was in a movie about Sarajevo playing a reporter. And it at moment in the movie he stood up at a press conference in movie and asked the UN official. He said a line exact line. I said, okay. So I knew the writer of the movie we went to the opening of it. And I said later that was my lining goes. I know it was you he said, but Harrelson better. Better. So you and I are two guys who both had he do our dialogue. You might be interested. And I'm going to bring this up. We'll talk all day with we don't get. But the Janis good friend of mine. John I was writing this John tell him with who who you pitched this to I well when I had the script written the producers said well who are the two guys who are to retire, Texas Rangers. And I thought about it for a minute. And I said, you know, how great would it be to bring Redford and Newman bag as as their as the number three for the trifecta after the stem Butch Cassidy and the Sundance kid, and the producer laughed, and he said, you know, he said, it's wild idea. We'll never get him. But why not start there? And what we sent it to Redford niece said, not only do I want to do it. But I'm going to ask you not to send it to Paul because I'm going to get on a plane flight to Connecticut and give him the script myself because I'm not gonna let him wiggle out of this. When we're going to do it and I worked with with Redford and Newman. Individually for months, which was incredible highlight in life, and but then Paul started to get sick. And and that that that fell apart and Paul meet such a great humanitarian, wonderful guy. And we lost such treasure in American treasure. But the once we lost Redford and Newman where do you go from there? And that's why the project said on shell for six years until read for until Costner. Woody got to that that age. In fact, they're closer to the actual ages of Hamer and golf than Redford and Newman were hey, Tom got anything about you got anything about Washington. You know, what I think we should leave it where we have. All right, man. I think that's actually more historical. What what you and John have been talking about for that me? Join your show today. Sar pleasure. Tom, tom. Nice to meet you think taps for me for watching the movie I'm gonna I'm gonna make a beeline desk it about ten minutes. And then. Yeah. And then look up John dash Fusco dot com. John Visco dot com. He's got books and every great books and everything. So all right, man. Thank you. Right. So do we stay here? Dana we just go on. Okay. So so if you've been listening you've been hearing already John go, and let's just keep talking about what let me so John the high women we've been talking about you've heard and watch the cross John also wrote crossroads with Ralph macho young guns young guns, two thunderheart, Sam Sheppard, Val, Kilmer Loch Ness, Ted Danson was in that spirit stallion of the Cimarron, which was an animated beautiful movie dream peoper head Dow go silent thunder the forbidden kingdom that literally broke all the box office records in China. That was with Jackie Chan jet Li Jackie Chan jet Li crouching tiger hidden dragon to the shack. High women brings us up also books paradise salvage dog beach and a little monk in the mantis. I've read all those books have not seen all the movies. But let's go to paradise salvage John Fujiko, which brings you to the beginning. We know you're. Credentials after just listening to the show for the last ten or twelve minutes. Let's go back to the day one day. Well, I grew up in in Connecticut and. You know, it's interesting when you live here in for Munt, folks, here, Connecticut, they always assume, you know, you're you came from a certain part of Connecticut free. Yeah. Yep. I grew up down more dirt roads. And I live on now in semi rural Connecticut, and my my dad owned a junkyard, contiguous to pig farm. And so I I got to grow up, you know, in the countryside. I had pet raccoons FOX and started making my super eight movies as a kid and directing kids in the neighborhood always wanted to write. And my dad also be is a big fisherman outdoorsman, and he he had a small cabin a fish camp really in Stockbridge for Mont. Yep. On the tweed river, in fact, if you remember, you know, few years ago with Irene. There was a the Burlington free press ran a series of articles focusing not only on Stockbridge, but that little fish camp. Oh, really, and it was called the Shelley village or something like that fancy name for it. But the remember looking at following that front page story, and I saw my dad's cabin going down the river is that that got hit that was one of the areas. But yes, so I had that that that one foot in Vermont growing up in it at early age to me, I just felt like well, everything I love about my neighborhood back in Connecticut is like on steroids appear in when it comes to wildlife just rural sensibility the mountains. I just I loved it. And so my wife had similar experience growing up and her dead lived out in the countryside and was kind of small scale. Sale farmer had cows and chickens, and he was a naturalist outdoorsman mile life phenomenon. Really? So we both had that common denominator with Vermont. And after we did our time in New York City going to school studying and Los Angeles where I needed to be for the beginning of my career when it came time to to settle and go somewhere because as a writer, I could pretty much go where I wanted to go. Although you will like the first Hollywood guy to do that job. Yeah. That's back now years, and you you were hanging up in the Navarre would your agents and everybody say, hey, man, what are you doing going on? Exactly, exactly. I see I've always approached screenwriting the way novelist or playwright or poet approaches their work, and I never got locked into. I've got to stay in town. And I just don't that. I was getting pulled onto the the hamster wheel. Early on in my career my agents, you know, I wrote my first script and won awards and got got made. So my age Ross road. Yes. Yep. Yep. The blues movie and my agents wanted me to go out and and do development deals, and I so I had studios pitching me, these ideas. And I just if I didn't feel a connection I didn't feel I could write it. And they my agent said, well, that's this is how it works. You know? And you've got to seize the moment, I tried it for a little bit. Then sat down with them and said, no, I'm going to go off and write the stuff I want to write and I'm leaving town. And I phoned place up in Vermont, I'm gonna go up there. And they told me it would be career suicide. And then they said, so what are you going to write up there in Vermont? And I said a western, and that's when they they kind of. Had a really negative reaction and said, you know, the westerns been dead for twenty years. It has no western made money since Butch Cassidy and the Sundance kid, and my said, you know, I just it's what I wanna do. I'm just feeling it. And so they just felt that I was taking off. And they you know, they didn't know what was going to happen to me. But I went up to Vermont. It was really inspired. I had my peace of mind, and I wrote young guns young guns. Sh and we'll talk about something that happened recently. The me as a as a walk in the roads entertainer actually turned on when I saw your social media thing on this. But this is very was very good. We have can we take a break. I, but no we'll take Mary now. So she doesn't have to hang on line Maria's in Randolph center. Wants to talk to John go, go Mary. There's john. Hey, good morning. John. Good morning. Huge fan. I'm so happy that you're on a local radio station like WD, EBay, and all the Vermont just can learn about John Lewis go and his tremendous body of work. I I hear welcome. I talk to people all the time. So yeah, you know, I know John, and I used to live up that way. And they're like, oh, yeah. I've seen those movies. So it's great that everybody's gonna here. And I congratulate you highway men was I'm a huge huge fan of of Woody Harrelson, and it's just been ominous. Thank you. Thank you. Really? Appreciate the Mary McCollum. Are you going to be able to listen for the next half an hour so up four because John is going to be talking about something you might not be up to date on his his music new blues record from the crossroad writers. Right. So hanging. Thank you. Thanks for calling and everybody listening. Thank you Dave for having us in. Here's John, and I and tore Dana. Can we talk to this Washington? Correspondent that calls in every day in the show the guy freaked out when he heard John goes in the studio we were talking about. The highwayman. And so John talked a lot about the high wind and momentum the first twenty five minutes, but tell us about where we can see this latest huge huge hit what it's about real quick. And then where we can see it. Yeah. The highway men is a Netflix original movie. It's currently Annette flicks. Starring Kevin Costner, Woody Harrelson, Kathy Bates and net. Flicks. Had a very strong opening with the film. With in its first couple of weeks there over forty million viewers. And now, they're they're way pass that and it coincided with new subscriptions for Netflix, which is what they're all about. So so it's nice to get the call from from net. Flicks. Saying we've got hit here. So we've got a hidden. They have a three picture deal for you say, well, it's the the doors definitely open for the next stuff. We gotta go to we're going to be doing news in a minute here with Dana. But three or four minutes. Tell me tell us about the show show business five five minutes because you're highly Mun opened at the theatre. Yes. First, and then it goes to Netflix. What's this all about this is in? It's kind of a controversial arrangement. It's been in the news a lot, my friend. Steven Spielberg is spoken out about it. And in like, Stephen, I'm a romantic, I love the big screen, and but I also really appreciate net flicks for their commitment to make cronut movies in an era right now, where it's a lot of superhero movies, which lets high quality, you know, but to make the kind of movies like Roma, you know, mudbound, the highway men, it's they're so good to filmmakers, and they they just embraced my screenplay. The. The let John Lee Hancock. The brilliant director do his thing they were one hundred percent support of. And then they get it out there where you know. It's it's in one night all at once. It's an over one hundred seventy five countries and to get that kind of exposure. I mean, it's right now to to have the highway men in the national conversation in the international converse all over the UK just released their data. And it's it's in their top three. So so that's wonderful. But Netflix has when they do a movie like that they also want to to be in the running for the Oscars and the into qualify, you need to have the movie in the theaters of you know, there there's a kind of deadline. It's got to be in there for two weeks. I believe so we we opened the highwayman early on the big screens like in New York Boston fee. Unix played here. Burlington vermont. Yeah. Yep. I contacted net flex and sedate. There's a really there's a great theater here. The roxie. Let's let's get it in there. And I was so happy that lot of lot of the local folks got to see it on the big screen. My my personal philosophy on it is with net flex and movies. It's like watching sports. I love to watch football game at Sunday's jets. But this is the patriot station. I watch my my game on Sundays. I love that experience. But I also love to go to the stadium and have the big stadium communal ritualistic experience. And that's how I feel it is with movies. You can you can see it at home. You can see it on your device or you can go have the big big screen experience. Yes. Oh, okay. Just talking with Dana. That's that's the highwayman. You can see it on Netflix. When we come back after a break here. I wanna talk to John about not as I but a second that the western that John wrote in Vermont, and we have to so that's that's young guns. But we also want to tease that in the second half hour John's going to be talking a lot about tell us about this. We'll talk about it. We'll give some of these away. Yeah. Well, it all connects to the highway men, but you know, because shooting this movie in Louisiana in the by us in New Orleans, put me back. On my old music turf. And kind of it will up a sleeping lion for me. And reconnected me with the next generation of a lot of my old musical cronies, and we collaborated and it turned into an unexpected album called John Lewis Cohen the crossroad writers and involving north Mississippi musicians and northern Vermont musicians. Yeah. Good. And we're gonna play when we come out of the break Dane is going to play something from that into bumper. Hey couple of weeks coming up for John September eighth Iraq Tober fest. Number twenty eighth twenty twenty. Czar, John SCO, and the crossroad riders are going to be in Morrisville September twenty eight October. This'll be on John John dash Fujiko dot com. October twenty four th from on farm aid at our try it John's going to do a John cougar Mellencamp. Yep. And the member twenty-third big deal up at spruce peak performing arts center benefit for our first responders. Now that's going to be the melded group. It's going to be full group or bringing up, you know, members of the north Mississippi Allstars into the Grammy nominated band and big mix. Good good. So we'll be back with John Lewis, go give away some CD's, talk movies and blues and everything else. Thank you very much. This is Dave Graham show on rusty to ease. I guess I should say that. Spring long-awaited much celebrated upstairs at the almost world-famous. Warren store you will find colorful clothing for men. Women and children bulls, mugs, candles cards and gift wrap. Puzzles toys and games jewelry CD products, local soaps, more that's one stop shopping for months. According to Yankee magazine, come for lunch on our deck and enjoy a fun funky and friendly world class shopping experience in the beautiful mad river valley. Morin store in Warren village, Vermont open nine to six everyday. Two. China. Catchy. That's John Russkoe on the crossroad raiders. The song is Putin. John. Tell us about this song. Well, you know, living up here in the north country Putin, I think all the secrets of the universe contained in a great bowl Putin up over the border. But the you know this band is so unique and that it had its origins down in the Memphis north Mississippi area with some really famous musicians who I jammed with in. And we just had this synergy in this thing came together, but I've also had my Vermont band up here. And so we've brought brought them together. And that's that's Josh Clinger on the trumpet, you know, Josh Clinger from Lowell and and then we've got to Bradley Jewett from eating area, you know, and he's on the saxophone while built Trink Leon Qatar. Dennis Diego on base. We've got our great drummer Spencer Perry from from Browning ten and then we've got you know, our great singers Bailey Bailey hazing singers, Cassie mation. So this this wonderful group of Mont musicians teamed up with the north Mississippi Allstars, Cody Dickinson, and we've got Reese Norman from the famous Norman family singers from Memphis and Putin became a song that for me is a link between the Acadian. Culture of Quebec and New Orleans Louisiana in the bayou. And so I think that for me that was a bridge to kind of connect that that feel and you can hear Cody Dickinson on the electric Woogie board giving giving that quibble qual-, you know, French Canadian feel, but there's this this true link within the music within the cultures. And because you know, we do have our our northern faction is kind of a love letter to our our neighbors up over the border, right? And that's Bouteine from from Johns disc, blues band disk, and actually there we're gonna play another one of those a little bit later. But someone if you wanna call in two four four one seven seven seven going going to give away a disc John Lewis good this. He'll sign it to your name or eight seven seven to nine one eight two five five two four four one seven seven seven eight seven. Seven to nine one eight two five five. Let me ask you a question about. Gonna talk about the movie young guns, but anybody out there right now before John says exactly the answer can tell us who played. Billy kid who played what what was the actor's name who played Billy the kid in John's movie, young guns. Call into Dana. He'll put you on the air. You come down to the studio John tell us about how young guns came about into your mind. Well, you know, I was always fascinated by Billy the kid, and it started with that that one and only confirmed photograph or tin type, you might say of Billy the kid, and what struck me was that the guy in the image did not reflect the mythology of Billy the kid or Paul Newman. Johnny Mack Brown. Forty one different movie star portrayals where he was portrayed as a loan romantic gunfighter dressed in black left-handed whistled, set, sad, ballads and rode alone. When I looked at that photo is there's more to this guy. You know? And there was something about Billy that it haunted me. It was this bucktoothed short. Slope shouldered young tw-. Died at twenty one years old who reportedly killed twenty one people in gunfights. So when I started researching his story, I found that he did not write alone that he had a group of other disenfranchised young men called the regulators we rode with and that he there was a method to the madness that his mentor. John Tunstall was an English merchant who taking these young guys under his wing had been murdered by the Murphy Dolan faction that kicked off Lincoln county range wars. So I just felt it would be really interesting to tell the Billy the kid's story. Through this this group this gang and have it reflect this franchised youth of the times and two four four one seven seven seven for a CD if you know the name of the active played Billy the kid and young guts. But then it was talked business of it. You wrote you wrote the how do you you're young then you had a big hit with crossroads? How do you say to these agents and everything I'm really how how do they finally buy into they're going to put money by a western and westerns don't sell for decades. Now, how does that work? How do you do that? You know, I think that it's important you if you go, you know, you go off, and you hold up, and you write your thing that, you know, you don't cut off your nose despite your face. Ultimately, you want have an audience, I feel that I've you know because melt so a producer became a producer to protect my material. But I've also had a kind of entrepreneurial movie mind and that in looking at this. This material. How can I attract the support help can I offer to this? But without compromising I never sat down and said, I'm going to write the brat pack on horseback is some wags called eventually what I did was. I just knew that this was a fresh approach, and that we were we were going through a time in Hollywood where we had some dynamic young actors, and I felt if we can attract them, and I felt deep inside that if I write this the right way, am we're going to track this young bunch of actors, and that will get this movie made. And it didn't. Where'd you? I think Dane is on the foam. I'd be so many taking a stab I think somebody took a stab at who the actor where where did you shoot? It. We shot the first one in New Mexico Santa Fe, New Mexico area all around there. Some of the the native pueblos in a lot of the actual locations this sequel young. Guns to we shot in New Mexico? Arizona down near the border. Okay. Now. I know you've no you through all this year. The guy that writes movies early on you produce be started producing really early on. It's not always these writer of the film. I've been in film. There's not always on the set you for the most part always been on the set. You have somebody on the air. I have somebody that called in new the answer. Okay. Well, who's that? Can we still the beans? Now. The answer can go ahead Jill. Yeah. Le-? Let John's Bill. Go ahead. Okay. So Billy the kid was portrayed in both young guns and young guns two. But my dear friend Meelis. Okay. Go and we had one Gasset Kiefer Sutherland that was close Jeremy Dunster, and I've got his number for you guys. We can coordinate and figure out how to get right? Jeremy? All right, five nine five nine zero nine nine. There was another guy by the name of Tim me from Stowe. And he said, I know the an. But I already have a disc I'll give it. Germy dunks. So it's Jeremy, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I've got it written down here for you. Okay. Thanks. So you so yeah, we're talking about one John go makes a movie early on when he wasn't pushing when he wasn't carrying the whole load. Like he does now EP and show runner. How did that feel down there directors don't necessarily need you there making sure that actors saying all the right words? I remember when you talk about thunderheart with me that Val Kilmer had little run in with Sam Shepard. Who is a Pulitzer prize winning writer tells a little bit about the writer being on the set. Well, you know, the story is is old as the hills with with screenwriters, you know, they say if you scratch screenwriters, you're gonna get a horror story about hung industry works, and they take your script. And they don't want you on the set, and then they change everything. And you don't get the credit, and I just never accepted that I just felt like look, I I know this material better than anyone. They're going to do a disservice to the project if I'm not involved, and so after my first experience with crossroads where I was not a producer. I was just a twenty four year old kid and the movie was shot. And I was there. But I had no real say that I kind of took stock of things, and I said, no never again. And so when I wrote young guns on spec is we say meaning that I wasn't commissioned. I owned it full my road, you know, on my own that when I turned it in my agents did see that all the roles were these young guys and they saw the vision. I should also say my opening paragraph in the script said six guys come out of heat undulations and come over a hill. And if it was one hundred and fifty years later, they'd be on harley's. I can't tell you how many people read that script and said we're making I in that that's. Part of your question. What do you do to you've got to you've got to help the reader see it and see the marketing value while you stay true to the vision. What you wanna do? Yes. But after crossroads I said, you know, if you want any of my scripts I come along with them as a as an executive producer. And I'm going to be in on the casting I'm going to be involved or you don't get the script. Yeah. And so that worked on young guns. And yeah, I was down there on the set, and but at the same time, and this is something I always tell young screenwriters or Spiring screenwriters of any age that you want the director to be your best friend, you you don't wanna be a backseat driver. Because even if you have a contract that says, you're entitled the beyond set you want the collaboration to be the tight, and you want that director to look at you as the best technical adviser. He or she could have helping them tell the story, and I've been fortunate that way, and I've, you know, I. Just let the directors know early on look, I'm here, I've got the producer title. But this is this is a team effort and just let me help you do the best movie we can we can make. So we go through the we go through the movies. And there's so many of them that we need to have about a week of John Fujiko on the Dave Graham show. I I do have a wonder I want to just ask before we get into the blues record. I wanted to ask the general if you're a writer out there listening, or what is the writers most valuable asset. I mean, I know these questions questions question, you know, what I mean? What's the right? If you're saying to the young class at NYU where you graduated from what's most valuable asset in your mind discipline? This easier. He didn't he didn't wait. He didn't have to think of that. It'll because you know, I I love that. When I was a young writing student at NYU, and and toback that up. I was a highschool dropout and traveled in the south, which is was the music took to the trains, jump jump trains like like Merle in WALDO salt. And I eventually came back around got my GD tonight school got into small colleges and worked my way up into NYU film school, and one of the things I found was that I might have not been the best writer in this group of students. But I was the most disciplined, and I found in the end that that was so valuable because I mean, the more time that you put in the more pages that you can turn out the more. You learn your craft the more you have something to show for it. And I remember. My first year at NYU the assignment was to write a ten page short by the end of the first semester. I totally misunderstood the assignment. And I wrote a feature turned into one hundred ten page screenplay and. The the instructor was really taken aback, and then he had me enter it in a competition called focus films of college and university students sponsored by Nissan and the script won one first place out of, you know, all the film schools in the country. And really, I think the thing was was that I said the discipline to get it done. So there are a lot of writers out there with the talent and the juice. I've got credit my my father, you know, who who was a salvage yard owner and mechanic who instilled in me, a real blue collar worker thick. He was always the he he owned a business with his brothers. And he was always the first one up there to open the chain feed. The junkyard dog, you know, and people would say, why are you going up there at six AM, and I'd watch him, and he made sure all the ducks were intending. And that's I've carried that through my career. I still do. I start writing five AM every morning. You heard it for the master discipline with John didn't tell you is that Nissan film the script award that he won that year. He won a Nissan car. I believe he could correct me when we come out of the break, he and rich L sold that car and any he entered the same screenplay contest the next year one it again that year the first year his script wasn't picked up the second year. His script was picked up. That's and it was the script was crossroads. And after that they did not allow anyone to win two years at our own put it in the in the in the bylaws as is the the Fuso. Clones, we're going to break. We'll come back a little bit more John go to four one seven seven seventy one to talk to them. Go. Dana. Learn of her. Listen to Johnny the crossroad riders down the crossroad five minutes to eleven here. Fifty. Let's turn it Tena Houston. Johnny. Rusty don't give up your job to become a blues disc jockey, Dewey, Phillips, WD in Memphis coming at you. Hey, Dave Graham, did a few weeks ago pneumonia. Well. Well. Come back and through the thank you. Now. We'll let John take you out with. We'll talk about what he's doing with this band. You just heard. But thanks Dana for producing and Ken and corn for have me in. Dave hope you come back soon. Nathan Swick, Natalie Miller who owned Vermont country comedy club. And I'll be playing at the Vermont comedy club twenty fourth and twenty fifth funny, and I'll have the Martin out there playing a little music, Patrick Louis. We'll have Patrick just a solo gig. But anyway, so that's good. And all the goodness. And everybody out there be good to everybody because we're all the same. And I think John Fujiko embodies that John we've heard about the movies, John dash Fujiko dot com. Please Wikipedia Google John see all his movies. A high women playing now on Netflix. But this group tells about the group and now you're bringing the group up to Vermont, and we have some dates to promote. Yeah. The crossroad writers going back to to that first movie crossroads. It was the story. It was. Based on the mythology of Robert Johnson, the crossroads legend steeped in the blues from my my wandering background. And so one of the guys, you know, right cooter to the soundtrack. It's sunny, Terry. It was just my head was spinning it was news twenty east of my heroes and one of the guys that right cooter assigned to me as a blues advisor was named Jim Dickinson and Jim play. Well, he played piano on lion horses on the Rolling Stones recording. He was the Preservationists of loss blue songs and artists. So Jim was great. And he as years went on he passed away. He had two young sons, Cody Luther Dickinson who were heading in punk rock direction till he showed them crossroads. And so he was thrilled. When they they made a shift and said, well, the blues can be cool. Well, those two guys have gone on to form the north Mississippi Allstars, Grammy nominated and. I've been in touch with them as Jim's kids and be when I got down on highway men set we connected, and they said come over to Memphis drive across Mississippi. Let's sit around we want to hear you tell stories about our dead, and maybe we'll play some music. Well, that happened in the music jam session just caught fire right away. And Cody turned on the record button, we started recording. And when it was all said and done he said, I wanna I wanna produce this menu original stuff, I late to it. So I had original stuff I've been working with and we cut the album and with Reznor Mun, you can hear her singing, those background vocals. She's from the Memphis Norman gospel singers. So you have the real southern deal. And then I've got my musicians up here. Miss great bunch. And we've we've folded them together because you can hear some of them on this record recording remotely because that's how it's done these days. So I could go up to two Josh Clinger at. His river road studios and Johnson, and John can you lay in trumpet like he did on teen could get baby into Saks? And so now, we we've folded the two together we will bring the big band together north Mississippi and northern Vermont crossroad riders at spruce peak on November twenty third for the emergency. First responders blues and soul bash where else so we're going to be opening up for Dave Keller's soul review. Good. Yeah. That's November twenty third. That's it. Dave blues music award nominee. This year's guys got more sold in shoemaker. Yeah. Yeah. And so he's he's going to bring the big band. We're gonna have a heck of a time there and then October twenty fourth October twenty four th we're doing a Vermont farm aid Solvay shit firearms benefit at arts riot and different musicians are going to represent the musicians from farm eight and it will ever Willie Nelson. And I'm going to be doing me and the crossroad writers are going to do a John Mellencamp. And then before that, and this is really one of the first gigs in and again, we're only gonna be doing a few up here September twenty eighth in downtown mooresville rock Tober fest from three to five we're going to we're going to take the state, and that's it. So it's a twenty eighth and mooresville John who's going the crossroad riders October twenty four th fire made at arts Ryan, that's John doing John Mellencamp. And then number twenty third. They're open in for Dave Keller spruce peak performing arts and get on Netflix. See high women get all of John food goes movies that he's done written produced executive produced Marco Polo for gosh six that was net. Flix? Yeah. So we got thirty to go out here. So you wrote that and he lime he was everything on Marco Polo except Marco Polo. So that was a labor of love. Also, it was we'll talk about that next time. Okay. Good enough. Thanks for having me. Hey, we go back thirty two years. All right, John. Thank you everybody. Thanks bye-bye.

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"From the Elliot Time Studios. This is daisy Nina. Each week on this podcast we talked to one an American celebrity about the joys the complications and everything else that comes along with being Asian American. I'm frank show and I'm Jay this week on episode. Eleven of our podcast. We're joined by the actor Sung King to talk about the highs and the lows. He's navigated during his Hollywood journey. Even after landing conic role and the fast and furious franchise. Maybe I'm not good enough. Maybe I'm too Asian tall or too short to dart all of it. So then that the stunt your growth because then you go into an addition. You're scared you're nervous because this is all you got at. The time of this recording son was to make a splashy return and the big screen. Actions Equals fast nine. Well that was before it's released Bush. Twenty twenty one due to Kobe teams okay. So let's get started. Asian enough is presented by little America now streaming exclusively on Apple. 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Don't wait to get your free guide and schedule your free product tour at net sweet dot com slash. Enough that's net sweet dot com slash enough net. Sweet business grows here own sung king you know him as the street racers. Hans Solo. I love that Han Solo in the fast and furious movies. And you can argue that. Seng's portrayal of Han the impossibly cool mentor of Tokyo drift. A member of the core fast and furious family made the franchise the most surprising and successful blockbuster series in Hollywood history. I would definitely make the argument so we are very lucky to have the chance to speak with Song. Today on Asian enough. Thank you for being here with us forever me we want to start off by addressing the big news. Which is you are coming back to the fast and furious franchise for the upcoming fast and furious. Nine which is huge for those of us who obsessively watched these movies because we know than Han. Your character has been gone for a couple of movies and in fact has one of the most tremendous most unpredictable. Arc's I feel like in movie history in that you know Tokyo drift. Which was the third movie in. The fast and furious franchise is the one that you originated this character. And we'd love to hear from you. What has your relationship with Han. Been like over these years. It's a love hate relationship. The hate is a strong word for it. I think it's maybe love and difficult is what it is because I'll never dismiss what the fast and furious and with the Han characters done for my career and my family and opened the Hollywood doors the first time I you know Justin and I worked on festive fears like we would just literally walk around the production office and then go into his office and start like laughing. Because can all these chairs the free snapple into the free water right those little things that we really appreciate it. Because when we're shooting tomorrow we had nothing we had a fold out table with five sticks of. Wrigley's spearmint gum spread out and a box of cold intimate donuts breakfast. That was our craft service and better luck tomorrow. Of course was the two thousand two indie film about over achieving Asian American teens who flipped the Model Minority Myth on its head when they start doing crimes so better luck. Tomorrow was Justin. Lin's first solo feature recode to feature call shopping things with Quinton leave and there were still students at Ucla. And then I heard that this young filmmaker out of UCLA was making an Asian American film. But I had already worked on a couple of Asian of American films that never finished and it was kind of a fiasco and felt like yeah. It's great to be part of this movement but we're not going to be able to compete with because you can't even finish the movie and when I came back to La. I was so disenchanted anytime I heard about another Asian American filmmaker instantly said this is probably not a good idea. That was already probably a few like maybe five six years in right. I mean I've been already a journeyman into business. You know and the auditions that I would get are the roles that would be a waiter or Yakuza and I felt like maybe the timing was rights. And this idea of being an actor in Hollywood is not GonNa Happen. Right and then I got a couple of phone calls from some aspiring producer. Asian American producers. And they said Hey. There's this guy named Justin Lin. He's a ucla and he's doing this. Asian American film. You should take a look at the script and you should like audition for it now and then two more friends call and say hey. You should really take a look at the script so Justin I actually met at. Danny's on Wilshire and western Koreatown. We met to talk about the script right and talk about the role and stuff like that and at that time. I think Hon- was written as a Filipino character. That drove a hundred civic here like a shaved head. Wow he was really perpetuating kind of like this. You know southern Kelly J. JD M. car culture kind of thug. And I'm from Georgia so I don't identify with I'm into muscle and you know my role models were like James Dean. Paul Newman John Wayne. If you will right and so this thing did not resonate so when I sat down with just and I said Hey I can I addition for Ben. The main character for best. I better tomorrow and just in being the the the patient older brother if you will and he would make a great poker player because slow played it and he's like why not. Let's see so. I went at like three times to read for Ban and knowing the whole time. I'm way too old looking. I don't fit the VIBE and I said to myself if this dude cast me it's movies gonNA suck and compromise vision. So after the third edition called me and said. Hey Man it's not gonNa work out but I would still love free to play on. I was like this is a guy that I would go to paddle with one last shot. Because if it doesn't work out I probably have to go and find a real job and it was so challenging because we had the whole budget in place but then the investors had asked Justin to change all the rules to Caucasian and Justin being. Who is now not GONNA do it? And he started putting the equipment on his credit card but as soon as the credit card companies. No you're maxing it out. They basically linked to the other companies. And then they'll hold your credit card so we're screwed and then I had worked at this restaurant in Beverley hills this cream barbecue place called Hula okay. That is no longer and we shot for a day and then justice said the money's not coming in so we probably have to shut this down and I went to work and I was so depressed right and I'm a server. They're left of a smile. I was so bummed and this is where I feel like everything happens for a reason. Like I don't necessarily subscribe to all these myths and stuff as some Guardian Angel but if if there is such thing that night she showed up and by that you mean John Wong and her husband. Jeffrey go founders of the Cherry Sky Films Production Company. They had been coming into the restaurant for a couple years and there was the first time they saw me not smiling and that kind of goofing off and she said what's wrong way so sadness explain the situation and she said can. I take a look at the script as I have in my car. She goes Why don't you in the director come by the office? Like the talk we went in there spoke for about an hour and then she wrote us a fifty thousand dollar check. Wow there's something like so mythic about this whole story but isn't that the keep a fifty thousand not enough to finish this movie right and so then we're stock and just kind of freaking out and the only person he knows that really has money. Is this guy named Mc Hammer right and how does he know MC Hammer so justin used to work at the Japanese? American museum is to be editor for the downtown Japanese-american Museum and so he was in plans of shooting tomorrow. And at that time the cannon xl one three chip consumer camera was coming out. And if you guys are aware if your techies like big deal so that was the first option of going digital post to film and suggests that went down. I think there was a convention down there to look at the new cameras coming out and Hera was there so hammer's standing next to a kid. You know anything about this camera. And he kind of helps them out and he goes. So what do you WanNa do this well? One day I hope to be a director. They Kinda you know. Talk a little bit and hammered being who is gave him his phone number and said hey you ever need anything. Give call so fast forward. The money's not happening just freaking out the credit cards frozen. I think he had the the phone number like pin to his wall. For you know for Sake right is that what the hell he calls. Hammer Hammer picks up. What's up is okay. Do you remember me Zig. Know what do you want? Here's the situation he goes. Hey it's not hammer time anymore. I can't just be funding these things. But here's ten grand. Do what you gotta do but you know I don't I don't need it back but here it is so if you go and watch. Tokyo drift anytime. There's a Tokyo City. Scene is hammer time. It is literally okay. I think that's literally in the opening sequence of Tokyo drift. When Lucas blacks character is the montage of him walking through the city. You see him like go down. Subway ads writing the escalator. Down the subway there's an MC hammer posted on beautiful beautiful wow shot up to MC hammer him to thank the fast and furious universe might not exist. That's right and for the film fans out there. He plays Roy Thunder the agent for the colored and finishing the game. The follow up film that we did after Tokyo drift. We literally shot the film after we did talk. So Justin could use a lot of the stage props saving money. Finishing the game of course is like a riff on after Bruce. Lee's death how many people scrambled till like capitalize into to carry on his legacy and so many different ways so okay that that kind of explains the origins of Han because your character and better luck tomorrow was also named Tonj in so. There's this really fun tongue in cheek bridge between select. Mara which he did with Justin and Jason Tobin another member of the fast and furious universe and took drift but as the French has got bigger and bigger and bigger. Han was like just a part of the family. Which is beautiful this huge multicultural. Multibillion dollar franchise you've got crazier and crazier action it. It it evolved into something so much more than you know. Just two hander. Very Brohi muscular to hinder that the first movie was and then six happened in which we said goodbye to seven and eight happened in further developments involving the introduction of Jason Stephens character as a character named Shaw who is then explained retroactively as person responsible for Hans stuff happened which kind of led in turn to something that nobody could have expected. Which is the Hashtag justice for Han Movement of fans who were kind of upset with how Hans Legacy was treated and I wonder if you can speak to what that was like for you that part of your relationship with this character or like I was saying earlier you know the love difficult relationship with the Han characters that the love part is that it did give such great opportunity and and perspective and open window into really what this business is the Hollywood business but then the difficult part is that GonNa look? We live in America. It comes down to data numbers right. I thought that after film like this maybe there would be more opportunities opening up Tokyo after Tokyo. Because you know obviously premier there's interviews. You see your picture online and stuff like that people are asking for Pictures. You Go from obscurity to all of a sudden the guy you know Asian Guy. They don't know your name but Jackie Chan but your guide and people start connecting with you. So you know. That's the difficult thing with fame. Is that all of a sudden. You know your normal life is not normal in this idea of fame or celebrity starts to feed expectations and then builds an ego right and ego is hard to define but it's deadly especially. I think as an artist and as a man that's growing into looking for his identity or purpose and then when the industry doesn't really support that it feels like. Oh this was all like illusion you know is like well. What's this and I thought we were actually doing something I thought at the end of it it was supposed to leads the more opportunity and I did not feel it on a personal level and so then you start blaming yourself and that's where I think a lot of artists are so insecure and I see the first one to admit that's probably why become actor but it starts the manifest and you go. Maybe I'm not good enough. Maybe I'm too Asian or I'm too tall too short Dr. Not all of it sedan. That starts to stunt your growth because then go into dish in. You're scared nervous. Because this is all you got. It's that one line and some episodic and you know you don't want to have ten jobs right and like. I was still working at a restaurant when I did Tokyo drift. So that's the reality now like you're in a fast and furious movie and all of a sudden you live in fast and furiously after the premier it's it's Cinderella. It turns back into a Pumpkin. And your back and all of a sudden. You really look like that guy from Tokyo. Not sure if right and that's tortured by your own success and so you go. Well how do I do this? Like how do I exist in this world without my ego coming in and going wait? I think I'm a slavery but it's actually a waiter. The opportunities were not there and all of your appetite gets bigger because I thought the world was accepted me but just because the audience or the fans except you does not mean to business exception. Because it's about money it's it's the old system can't take your personal. They're used to the way they do things. And you're not friends. It's a business your product crazy. Rich Asians wouldn't come on for like a dozen year year. Yeah you know I. I realized we'd better like tumor. That journey was like a lot of Asian American kids. College students and high school kids finally had something decalogue anecdote. That's me one of those characters they could identify with. Or ASPIRE. Or they just see their face nickel. That's me and after took your drift those like. Oh there's great possibility here to be a leading man to other opportunity and the problem was that I think the audience is like we just didn't have writers and other directors out there and you have to have studio executives and executives and you have to have other genres. You can't just have one film. You have to have crazy revisions then. You GotTa have searching. You've got to have them all. You have to young filmmakers like just gone coming in you know and redefining what? Asian American cinema is right so everybody needs to get together but when you're hungry you're starving and you're fighting for scraps to help each other. It's very hard like almost like like a Lobsterman. Talia crabs the fight over each other crabs in a barrel exactly. But it's so good that the you know that it's the industry not moving fast enough that it wasn't your work you know. That wasn't good enough of those kids growing up in Tennessee actually you know. Han People that I imagine my self are look in the mirror and try to like basically like when I was trying to date girls and stuff like that I was like. I'm going to be cool like this guy. You know like there needed to be this kind of template and there was something about Han where he's this as an American guy who was like so cool and dating the eventual wonder woman rubbing elbows vin diesel and Paul Walker. It just seemed like he was almost designed to beat back. These stereotypes that were applied to Asian American men. Was that intentional. Where like were you in just in like after Lee these stereotypes about Asian American masculinity and trying to dismantle them and mean. How could you not be aware where to Asian American men that are growing up in America? I mean we're born in the seventies so you know. Imagine the experiences that we had. So you don't have to think about it you know it's like the idea of diversity is not trying to make it diverse. Just got people in there. That understand would've feels to be a minority if you don't have any minority. I don't blame a guy from Tennessee. Who's never had one. Asian American friend not understanding me for those people to write an Asian American Story About Asian. Very difficult. You need a perspective. That is subjective right and just and just by default you know he always struggled being the the little Asian guy that wears glasses you know. And he his whole life. We're fighting these stereotypes me growing up in Georgia. Every day was the fight to have a voice. Because I wasn't even creon in Georgia. I was Chinese. Because they know the difference right. So our whole existence or whole idea of becoming storytellers or wanting to participate in Hollywood is to just allow us to have a voice to be three dimensional. This is actually the first time I'm in a room with two Asian Americans who grew up in the south. I'm curious to know where your experiences might like. What was it like you were in Georgia Tennessee? In Georgia Tennessee What was it like growing up in Georgia for you? I mean in my high school there was maybe like one Chinese kid. You know another Chinese kid who wasn't friends with then there were the Koreans who are all like pretty cool like they all had the earrings you know they dress. I could've you know but they all kind of hung out with each other and so they didn't hang out with us. You know And so I'm just kind of curious. What was it like growing up in Georgia for you? The beauty of I'm going to start with the good okay. The good is that when you are now Aligarh and you're the only one it teaches you. Survival instincts that. I thank when I meet people that grew up in the majority environments. They have a comfort level. That's why the swagger that Han had I had to go. And hang out with Koreatown Korean guys because every different swagger than I because I came from a place of completing security no voice no swagger though girls ever going to touch me only time any girl ever talk to me was to ask for Algebra geometry helping their homework and I suck worst at math related so and they also like a common conversation was like would they ever date an Asian guy right right and so often answer was no. You'd be having this conversation. You know in front of you and be like sitting right here you know but. I don't know if that ever happened to you but well. They never talked to him. It was like you a leopard. You don't get to participate in the things like Prom and those basic like your Learner's permit sixteen you go on a date. All that stuff that was it was like watching a movie when my friends got to do that or they get to a party. It's like me from afar looking at it wrong. No no I think I went to homecoming thing with a friend of mine. Does the most nerve wracking thing. Because Daichi of dating talking to the opposite sex was was impossible. I was not allowed to participate in it so I thought there was something wrong with me. Am I utterly personality? Also when they say Asian Americans are introverted. That has a lot to do with it. Because I'm the most outgoing funny. I love to make people laugh. I love to laugh. I'm curious about everybody's life and you know when we have a chance man. We have a radar that a lot of La dudes don't have is like when I walk into a room. I know when I'm not wanted. Yeah right you don't you could do with people could be smiling at me and I know it's just the way the world works you know it's like come on you know reporting. I've reported in Orange County where it's just like a lot of white people have to put on. You Know My folks Tennessee accent. And then I'll go to the San Gabriel valley in a reporter on Long asian-americans and it'll be a much better feeling. You know but at the same time I feel like growing up in the south means that like you know when I hear about racism and stuff. It doesn't hurt me as much because it's all kind of bounced off of me. Since I was real young since like first through seventh grade I got in fights every year because people would call me. Chink and I would fight them. I didn't win the fights but I started them and You know coming to California you know coming to UCLA. Sometimes it was just like a complete trip to look up in a room and realized that everyone is Asian American I'm just curious you. 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Tv PLUS FOR FREE GET APPLE TV plus stream all of little America today What brought your family to Georgia and then to bar Sto Because my stepfather was in the military without my stuff. I don't think I could of navigated or been able to last. Hollywood is African American guy from Paris Texas. And he's my dad. He's the man that raised me. We come from a big huge family of African American civil rights participants. My Dad March with King. My Grandfather Papa was like the first African American police officer in Paris Texas One of my aunties is arguably like the first black nurse in Nevada. He grew up in Paris. Texas where you know when he would share stories and his cousins shares family reunions they. They'll with racism on a different level and growing up in Georgia. I remember there were certain things that would happen at school and I would come home and I would go down. We'VE GOT TO GO BACK TO SCHOOL. And you gotTa help me. You GotTa complain and he would say well. This is your introduction to the real world. He goes son. I'M NOT GONNA be able to share with you. What a black man is going to have to deal with America? But if you're asking to have the same type of credit if that's what you're going for you're never gonNA get it. You have to be the first one there last one to leave and still might get any accolades and you have to do it. For the Ri- reason yesterday for yourself and winning at the end of the day. Even if you get no credit you get no love. There's no popularity you know you did in the people that will now. So this is your first lesson. Can't get mad. I was going to school and complaining and yelling then then we become what they want. He silently just keep going and in Hollywood. I would always have to remind myself Yo. It's all about rejection. If I give up now they win right and I think that's where just in the lie we have. This kind of like sports mentality is that you beat us. That fuels us like okay. I'll show you. I think that's the only thing that kept us going because if it was for fame money we probably would quit. We want to quit long time ago. Right having that perspective of the African American experience that my dad would go through their kids that would throw rocks at him and his cousin walking industry and they threw rocks back and his grandfather. I it was a police officer in the town and Big Daddy came to pick up. The Kid said never do that again. Because this time you will get lynched right so if you know me getting in a fight with some raise this bullies you know. I'm not getting lynched. I'm just getting beat up. But at that time he we get lynched so he goes you live in a different time but use it as fuel right so I so identify with that. 'cause I received the same message from my Taiwanese immigrant parents you know but but in a totally different form you know and that whole mentality of like. I'll show you like I love that. I I think like when I first started writing about Asian American stuff and twenty twelve. You know. There wasn't a huge audience for it. People didn't really consider it serious journalism and I was like you know over the last couple of years. You know like every article you know every every everything you do is like an argument. You know you're trying to win that argument with your haters actually. Yeah what made you move to Los Angeles? 'cause I want to be an actor there? I wanted to be an actor so at the time the only person I saw on screen that I said that I would love to have that type of career or actor named Jason Scott Lee and he was in the move called map of the human heart and I was working as a furniture mover and San Francisco during like the summer once and one of my coworkers said. Hey there's this Asian American actor playing at the Kabuki and San Francisco he goes. Let's go and watch it. You WanNa be an actor. I mean we should go and I was like ads. He's GonNa do Kung Fu and I don't WanNa do that and we're watching it. It was really wonderful beautiful art house film and he has a romantic interest. That is I think she was a French actress right and I was like it's possible. I went back to and Hon Jason Scott Lee down. I hunted him down going. I need to know how he got here. Who did he study with was his process? Because like who were my mentors we all need our Jordan. We all need our Kobi's and if we don't see our face up there right like what. What's what's the path right. Like Jackie Chan Jet Li. They're amazing at what they do right there icons but I don't share any of their experience. Their natives there stars in their own country. So who's my big brother? So I said I'M GONNA make Jason Scali my big brother so I was doing extra job. I found in the back of a Korean newspaper. It was Thank COM SECURITY FOR. Korea was like a home security system and Colombo faulk. He was the star so because he was the star. I was like I'll be an extra right. I just wanted to be around an actor and so I was like backgrounds like in this this commercially for Korea and the line producer was a korean-american got a group. Santa Monica the surfer dude. He was like a raw. You WanNa be an actor. As a again he goes. Hey this actor named Jason Scott Lee. I found his teacher. I'm GonNa go meet them tomorrow. And so I said you gotTa take me with you so we went and met. This guy named Sarah Mayo. Who also was the teacher for Dustin the win another Asian America from Jump Street Right Andrews has got right so I'm going to this. Is The guy this guy that is method acting all like actors studio based raise like he has taught like the other two? Asian American male actors that I look up to. This is my guy right so from that day on. I've been studying with sow. He's like he's my grew. You know what was the secret to why he. He worked with so many Asian American actors. I have no idea where he can. We rewind back in Georgia even before Bar Sto. When did you know you want it to act? Was Your family into would you watch movies and TV together. The movie part of it. The the romance films came from my stepfather we. We're so different. And he is so old. Squeeze the military guys so you know. We woke up at the crack of dawn. We didn't connect and he loves football and I love swimming and weird like wrestling and it's you know it needs to be baseball or football right the thing that we could connect with was going to the movies and he would take us to drive throughs and I have a great story. This is how this how crazy our family was. Is that some my dad being a true American love the whole process of going to a theater. Right you go. You'll get the popcorn. You get the coke and Pepsi. You get milk duds joy the whole process. My mother being Korean is the cheapest human being in the whole world. Milt got so we have street going to the movies together and so my little sister mom wanted to tag along. So we're like there's a double header the Mad Max doubleheader at the local drive in and so my mother goes they charged for the adults. Not per car and the kids are free she goes. I'M GONNA hide into trump. There's this this is Korean. Fake mink blanket like tiger patterns on. She put that in the trunk and she put chocolate milk in a trash bag. Because that's like in case somebody WANNA chocolate milk because we did have containers And Down Korean. Mink blanket the story about this. She brushed Shasta Right. Warm bottle of Shasta like Diet CESCO Coca Cola products. Oh Man Yeah and she made popcorn home and she. We're not buying anything and my dad was so pissed off. Because he had to pull over the side of the road she gets into trunk and we go into the drive in and he goes. Come on kids and so we go in. By all the popcorn he left my mom in the trunk for fifteen minutes. Well just as we wrap up you have fascinating coming up. But you have so many other things going on as well and we'd love to hear about the new projects you're working on things you're launching in sort of where you're at now in terms of of embracing the voice and the platform that you have a. I have some projects a couple other film and TV projects coming out. I also have a website. It was my first attempt at a podcast with you. It's called songs garage. It's an opportunity for me to give back within the car community. I've met some amazing amazing people and songs. Garage is a place where we hopefully we have a connection through a love affair with a car but at the end of it. Hopefully we help each other to be better. People in life and my end goal in life is to leave this earth just as a good person that said that's my contribution. I feel like I'm so blessed with the opportunity that I have now that I I want to pay for it. So I created this sunk scratch to allow people to come and share their stories to real conversations. It's not this a look at me and let me talk about glamorous my life is is really put a spotlight on the the heroes in life that will never get a stage right and you know. I'm not interested in the rich guy in the famous guy during the Lambo. I want. Somebody who you know is a good father a good brother just a good friend just a good person and those simple heroes are the people that inspired me. And that's what I want to share so yeah and we don't have much time left and so I really want to get this. We're I want to paint the picture a little bit. Like we're sitting in the studio with the on memorial here wreath by some white flowers that Jan has created. I've left an offering of a kid cats and sun cakes at the but I need to go into this. I got to I know. She keeps refusing and she. She's so humble but I have to say John that if it wasn't for you rights and you doing these things and campaigning. For the justice for I don't think you would ever cut to the studios head. They wouldn't have been aware of it. I don't think they would have felt like. Does it merit something to invest in two? And I think you've really put the wind behind sale for this movement so if anybody deserves credit it's you so. I know you shaking your head but this proves it because you didn't make does yesterday. This is years old. Well that's very sweet. I'm just glad that you're back. I'm glad that you have heard you know over the years. Many fans like so many fans on social media in real life telling you that it means something to you what happens to this characters legacy because you made it important to them and I think it is meaningful that universal listened to those fans and listened to the reaction to these creative decisions that are made in a huge huge huge blockbuster machine this one character and what happened to this one character meant so much to so many people. We everyone's talking about what we have in the studio with us is my homemade. Hunn memorial that I made for. What if my fast and furious barbecues and furious barbecues matter that co hosted by filmmaker friend of Mine Ben David Griffin see? This memorial was made By hand by myself and my friend a net. There's so many people in my life who loved these movies and Love Han in when it came to our third annual fast and furious barbecue. The second one was called too fast barbecue what other name could possibly have. And the third annual one was called fast and furious barbecue. Drift man was. Also there was a stub head. It was the solo memorial barbecue because it mattered to us. What this franchise was saying about this character that we loved. I am so sure that it sounded very crazy to you. I think people really taking it. This series I mean. It wasn't crazy because the reason I at first it was uncomfortable was because all of a sudden puts hope in your head right you gotta remember. The state of mind is like nothing about the fans and stuff it's like I need to survive right so yeah workwise. Because you're you know you're out there you're hustling you're dishing. There's no work right so when you see something like this. It's just a reminder of of the irony of life right it's like Oh this character so popular meant so much to you. You actually doing this whole thing. But who's GonNA listen you know? I'm like God thank you so much. But they'll probably fall on their fears and that's where you never know life and then all of a sudden you wake up and you get a phone calls like a the fans want you back in like what is that what somebody said I'll thoughts. Yeah I mean when I got the call from Justin. And he's like a they want on back. This justice for hunting is happening. It was only him. That could actually make your work. It's that time in our program where we asked for guests to share a bed Asian confession which is anytime that's made you feel like you've been a bad so some what is one of yours Asian American I felt bad that when Asian crazy came out I was hesitant you know and now I feel I thank you crazy rotations. Thank you feel like is like Justin Chon again for doing the work? You do to give me hope again. It's a confession and also a big. Thank you for these guys. That makes a lot of sense to me. Because you know even though we have this new generation and not just new filmmakers but we have this wave of filmmakers that we can point to who are bringing. Asian American stories and voices to Hollywood like Justin. Sean who made the film Gook Purple Purple More recently. Jon M Chu. Who's doing huge things? Not even within the crazy you know but he did step up to the movie that I love I so like he and he's doing in the heights next. There's a lot of people that we can point to now that we're not prominently visible back when you're in this in this time post. Tokyo drift when you're seeing like so many doors close to you And that's something that's really wild to me 'cause like I get. Why CRAZY RICH? Asians might have triggered something into any which is to say. Do I dare hope that this changes things go right this is built-up cynicism of watching Asian Americans in Hollywood for a kid right. But you know this thing to you makes me aware. I'm thinking like we do have to give credit to infrastructure that was set up before crazy rotations because for I think directors like John Chew and just in Land Justin Chon to exist. We needed also supporting our community. And that's where film festivals like the former VP. Visual Communications Film Festival San Diego. The the not I think they changed their name and San Francisco's probably the San Francisco International Film Festival now. All those film festivals there was one in Philadelphia. The New York Asian American Film Festival all over the country. You know even though maybe only a few hundred people show up you know it started compounding right and without those film festivals the short films and the badge films that we made had no chance of ever being seen. And that's where you have to fall on your face. We have to allow US. Allow our community to make mistakes. And that's where you grow right and these film festivals gave. I know I'll speak for myself a tremendous salt because I would go to these things and I would see people with the similar gene similar faces right and it gave me a sense of community so we have to give credit to those people and all the people that founded those film festivals and the La Asian Pacific Film Festival. That are still to this day. Put on by people who were allowed to the borders back then supporters from the movement ever since then like David Davis Rockdale. Who Literally told me he was like at Sundance for better luck tomorrow. A huge part of a team that would literally go to the one grocery store in town priority. Looking for any blink. Vhs TAPES THEY COULD. You put a screeners on to give to press. Read the word sort. I mean people have done the work of like creating community and now I think we're just reading the warlords these past few years and now there's an audio incident From our own community for Asian American things and and that's like a pretty wonderful feeling. Yeah it's the first time I ever felt like we truly part of the Color Palette before we're secondary color right in the business of Hollywood. Now you cannot ignore I. I'm sorry to put us under the yellow color but you need that in their rainbow and it's part of the part of business why they don't second it anymore. Do you have a bad Asian confession that you want to share with us? Call US at two one three nine eight six five six five two. That's two and three nine eight six five six five two. Maybe we'll even play it on the show. Okay that's IT FOR EPISODE. Eleven of our podcast. Thank you so much for listening. Asian enough is hosted by me. Frank shown and by genuine motto. Our senior producer is Rena. 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Trek Untold-Episode 6 | Tim Storms

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Trek Untold-Episode 6 | Tim Storms

"Hi this is Tim Storms. You may remember me from parts on Star. Trek Enterprise and as Patrick Stewart stunt double on the new series Star Trek to card and you're listening to track untold. Welcome back to trek untold star. Trek inspired podcasts that goes beyond the stars. I'm your host at capitals. Today's episode is a special one more than they normally are here because our guest is the first stunt performer, we're going to try within the series and that person is Tim Storms. You might recall teams work from three episodes of Star Trek Enterprise including the pilot episode, and most recently in Star Trek a card. Where you assert Patrick Stewart's double a role, he has been active since twenty fifteen, and in case you're wondering. Yes, it was tim. Who took the brunt of that giant explosion? Explosion, in the first episode of Card and does he have a story to tell about that? Tim has been in tons of things you've seen from the Matrix agents of shield, bulletproof monk, twenty, four grim Sam Raimi's Spiderman, two and three and a bunch more, but because he's a stunt performer. You rarely see his face. That's the work of these folks do, and ultimately that's the life of performer when they're acting as invisible warriors do the things that other actors can't and won't do. That means hiding their faces from the camera so that the audience never knows it was someone else do that. Important stunt in the case of Tim Though you actually have seen his face. And he was Vulcan commando enterprise, but most of the other roles you would never know. He was on screen unless he pointed out for you. Case in point, watch picard and see. How many times do you think you could spot him? Some are certainly more obvious others. You'RE GONNA learn. Learn today just a quick note I want to apologize in advance for the teeny audio in this interview. I'm not sure what happened when when we recorded, but it got little bit funky for this and one other episode that recently recorded, but by the time these air that promise Shiben sorted out and won't affect any future episodes before we begin this episode I'd like to remind you to follow us on Facebook, twitter and Instagram at trek untold one word no spaces. You can also support our show by visiting patriotic dot com slash told if you're already following us or offering your support anyway, thank you for your help. Most of all please make sure to subscribe to this podcast and liberating interview. Wherever it is that you're listening to it. This helps more people. Find US and here the show and I'd also like to make a quick shout out to our friends at triple fiction productions. WHO MAKES THEM GREAT? Three different is star. Trek inspired products for toys and people, but you're going to hear more about them a little bit later. Without further ado, let's up this week's guest. Computer accessories file. Affirmative. Initiating Program Welcome Back Trek untold and join me now on the other side and line. We've got stop man extraordinaire Tim Storms Tim. How's it going today? Great Hurry! You're doing. You're not too bad I'm very excited to get you on the show today because you are the first performer we're talking to on I. Think it's it's a real part of the industry. Industry that gets overlooked. A I worked documentary years ago. About New York City stunt performers and what they go through especially being in New York during the boom period for stunts I'm Israel I opener, and I'm really excited to be able to get your knowledge and information out there to folks who also might not be familiar with what to stop performer does. So Tim on my first question is the same question, asked all of our guests, and that is. What is your earliest memory of Star Trek? I was born in nineteen, sixty six, so that that would be The original series came out in sixty six as well. so I didn't get to see that lie, but I grew. I definitely grew up with watching reruns of that in early Seventies. Really really loved that. That's still one of my favorites then. As, I, got into I, believe I was in ninth or tenth, grade and then Next generation came came into play and I really fell in love with that, so you grew up in Minnesota. So tell us about who your parents were. What it was like growing up there and what you wanted to be. When you grew up I grew up in small town Minnesota. My both my parents were teachers, but after a while, we had a big family, so my mom was a stay at home, mom. But my dad taught a lot of things from. English to language. German Russian electronics He was A. In the. Military Show He worked with with A. Lot of. Military Level Electron. Ix and communications and stuff like that so It was quite a quite a very and Four for a small town I had quite it quite a bit of exposure to. To international type scenarios people from other countries were brought in and We got to experience other cultures Throughout. Things that my my parents were teaching or experiencing, said early on I. Believe you're into gymnastics ix. Wasn't quite stunts yet, so tell us about that Yeah, actually before. I even knew what was going on. My brother would who was a competitive gymnast would take me out in the backyard and. have me try tricks that he was able to do. on the train sets or hey, jump out of this tree or hey, flip over like this and you know at four years old I was. Pretty, rambunctious and pretty fearless at that time. And he would, he talked me. You know e- whatever me do. handstand pushups every day and and. Chin ups and he just really got me in shape at a very early age. And then finally, my my parents witnessed me swinging from. The my knees from the swing sets and flipping over in my dad said Oh this. You know it's getting a little dangerous now. So He brought me to the Gym the High School Gym. And the coach pick me up. In his arms and he jumps on the trampoline and did a back flip with me and his arms and I went. Hey, do that again so I. I was hooked on gymnastics ever since then and. I became the mascot. I was too young. Test she. Competes, but I got to participate I actually got to. Work with the team so I became a gymnast at a very early age, and and you know the the training that went with. It really stuck with me for the rest of my wife. I did that for a couple of years, and then when I was able to actually get back into competitive gymnastics I did right away. That was in about seven th grade, so I did a few years of that until they stop programs in all around the country basically. But in the interim between doing gymnastics as the small child and in high school I had started martial arts when I was about. Twelve years old taekwondo specifically at that time Very heavily into that, so I actually started combining gymnastics and martial arts at the same time, and putting them together into choreography and which wasn't a lot of people didn't do it that time so I would. Put slips and my routines and things like that So then eventually that led to. choreographing a fake fights for various Small small. Fertile shows and small productions in the area. And It went on from there so I started choreographing fights and doing theater and things like that had a very young age, so it all kind of jailed together for me with A. We even trying it was you know. I was presented a lot of. Great Opportunities And it I just happened to capitalize on on all the things that I really love to do which was great, so you're dipping your toes in stage, combat essentially Kharafi. You're doing gymnastics. You're doing martial arts and I believe from then you also started to learn how to become a clown juggler, as well as than is doing classical musical theater, so tell us about a little bit of that on where you studied all of these various things. I before I. Even went to College My Buddy taught me how to juggle, and we put together troop, so then we started incorporating all of those things. Gymnastics tumbling circus, performing clowning Together I another opportunity that presented itself was There was a festival in our town that my my parents helped hugh to establish, and that brought in a lot of performance from around the world and around the country, and some of those performers were really jugglers, magicians, and minds and acrobats, and show every every summer I was able to get exposure to some of the top performers in those rounds. And I would just. Try to keep in contact with them and learn from them, and under study them as much as possible some of the top jugglers in the world and top clowns and minds I. You know I I really enjoyed that, so it it you know as a kid at my age when normally you sit around board and look for. Things to do I was able to to actually. Work on. Skills. That that. I was able to make money off of and perform so I started performing. You know as a as a paid. Clown and and Acrobat at a in about fifteen years old. And pretty intensely diverse set of skills you have there and I'm curious now. How does this lead you down the road of working in stunts? Well, that's a long circuitous path as well as you said I went to after. High School I was still performing as a clown and Juggler and I went to school at as. An offshoot of the University of Minnesota called. Mankato State University and at that time I. Thought I was going to be an electrical engineer. So. I applied for that and I was already to go with that and. At the last minute, somebody brought up that there was A. A scholarship for the theater department there and I said Oh what the heck you know like theater to maybe I'll I'll try this and see if I can. Pay My way into school a little bit, so I applied and low, and behold I the scholarship and I went okay I'll do this for the first year and then go back the electrical engineering. Never happened of course. so. From the very beginning I ready done some local theater, and performing as I said so i. hooked on Shakespeare and classical theatre and musical theatre, which I got my degree in classical and musical theatre And I just never turned back after that it was. It was an amazing transition me. because I, you know. I was actually very shy kid when I was little and performing was when I, was on stage and still to this day. performing is my escape. It's I. I I was scared to death to give speeches and and to talk in public and When I was on stage, being another character was really really. Great for me to to. Get into another character and to be able to express myself and not feel that. That pressure and that was a huge transition for me, so wow I was in college was taking these theater courses of course with classical theater you. Have to learn how to sword, fight and use weapons and do stage combats and with my background My teachers noticed that I was able to teach these things already, so they took me on as as basically an apprentice. And I started. Teaching at in my undergraduate, some of these courses for sage combat, which I had picked up very quickly and It all progress from there so I was doing weaponry and I. Still, the gymnastics and counting and it all just really. Was An allegation of all those. Skills that I done for fun and. Loved as a as a kid, and all the time growing up, and it was amazing to me that you know. You could put it altogether. Yeah, sounds like it was a very natural transition as well because you had all this diverse skills your background already, so it wasn't that difficult. Just jump into that world. Yeah. Exactly there's the things you can't really train for an surly things like stair falls wire work. Some of these getting hit by a car. Things talk about as we go into this interview them. Curious about how you picked up some of those abilities but Let's talk about what your very first professional stunt job was on a show or movie very first on a show or movie. It was in college. It was really you know a small pratfall and. That's usually the way people progress is. It was a it was A. Local I think it was a commercial in the twin cities and I just had to haul down and Seem like it was any kind of transition from what I've been doing before as you said, it was very gradual transition, so that's why I'm kind of blanking on it. In major motion pictures once I got here to Hollywood or to La. My first big production was actually I I was going through the trade papers and I saw. There was an open call audition for. A new. Mel Brooks Movie, Robin Hood Men in tights so I went down to Hollywood I stood in a huge line for a couple of hours that went in through the cattle call. We had to do some sword fighting pratfalls little gymnastics, if you could and a little fighting, so I went through that I started walking out the door and they said how'd you do on the archery and I went? Oh, I didn't know there was archery here. I don't have a bow and they said Oh. They have a couple of bows over there, so I went over to the station that they had. Had for shooting bow and Arrow, and picked up this tiny little ball and shot four bullseyes, so they said Oh. Definitely we'll. We'll be talking to you so when okay. The next day I went back because I realized that I thought it was a different call they wanted more acrobats and jugglers and things like that which we're specialty acts so they said. What are you doing back here and I? said I I just to show you some more stuff. So I brought out some bull whip said I've been working with and juggling, and wrote a UNICYCLE and did some more flips knee. And! They loved that so. I waited for probably a month and a half and I got very frustrated because I hadn't heard anything. I thought I'd done so well. And I heard nothing back from them, except for crickets, and finally I got a call, and they said hi we. We want to cast you as one of the merry men. And Robin Hood men in tights and I went great. That's awesome and they gave me a date that we were starting. So it was very excited, fifteen minutes later, I got another call thing. Hi, we want to cast you as This was from the same company different different part of the the the company We want to cast you as one of. The the king's guards and I said I just got casted American well. You get to choose them. And, I said well. What's going to give me more screen time and So my choice was to be one of Robin Hood. Men In tights, so that was my first big picture. with with. And I wasn't even really cast as a stunt person. Even though you know it was, it was more of a background thing. Once once we got on set with that We went through a lot of teams and and I was happy to say that I kept getting features and a lot of the shots and Mel Brooks in fact would come up and talk to me and. Ask Me my opinion, my humble opinion on you know if things were funny or not and. He. He liked what I did, so he would put in the front of the shots or even give me. A little bit to do at at certain times, which actually made it in the movie at certain points? And I I was still a little frustrated. Because even though I was in this major motion picture I wasn't sword fighting which I really wanted to do. So, they said there was big battle team. They said okay. Here's a here's a rubber soared. We want you to go through the battle scene and just pretend like you're fighting. Somebody just run through and when okay. So. I grabbed a guy that I knew you know we've been training a little. I'd been working with them a little bit already and I knew that he could sword fight I. Put together. I crave a little fight. And we had these forever. Sorts and we ran through. We turned around. And instead of just running, we started sword fight. So, that actually made it into the into the final cut of the film. Where you know, we're fighting with rubber swords in the middle of this big big fray. So that was, that was quite fun. That was my first. First experience with Hollywood and actually. Onset I was standing there one day waiting for us to shoot and I heard this. Booming Voice! Behind me and I went. Wow, that sounds like Patrick Stewart. He's amazing. And I turned around, and it was Patrick Stewart and I stood there with my mouth opening, wondering what was going on and I saw him talking with Mel Brooks. And they were talking about his upcoming part in the film. which was King Richard's. In the so I actually got to work with Patrick Stewart. On Mel, Brooks Movie, my first shot out. And of course, the face would have to be working together quite a bit in the future, so it's kind of funny that you guys actually met all your very first gig. That's that's crazy. Yes, yes, pretty amazing, so after that another big thing you got to work on was at in the first matrix film. You're Laurence Fishburne trainer, so you tell us a little bit about the work that you did with him and on that film. Yes, we were in preen. Reproduction and none of the main actors Carryanne Larence who had any training in wire work stage combat. Especially the the Hong Kong style. Bet they were doing so they hired me on. she worked with Lawrence especially, but a little bit with Carryanne to just work on on the. And gymnastics stuff so they could perform on the wires better in in the choreography. So Lawrence and I would get together and work on a lot of lot of moves and I would train him for gymnastics, and especially they they would show me what moves. They wanted for the choreography especially in the Dojo. Fight with when when? Lawrence or Neo and morpheus fights in the DOJ, oh, they that was the first one that we had to work on. so we spent several weeks working on just moves and coordinating him strengthening him and more flexibility and putting that all together, and due to the nature of the the production. They lost their funding, so we stopped training. Another month or two went by. They called me back up. They were back on again. We got back together we we refreshed everything. We got it all back together. Same. Thing happened again. They lost funding. You know so a couple more weeks out, and then they called me back up and we started training again. So basically I was liaison between the Hong Kong choreographers. Who didn't speak any English at all so I any time they had. A. Move that they wanted especially Lawrence to do that. Commits spraying needed him to work more on. They would assign me. It could do that with him. And then that really got me interested in the wire work that they actually were doing because I I'd already been. Doing martial arts and I I understood the way work because they've. Done a lot of spotting When it comes to gymnastics, we use rigging. That's very similar and I I was able to translate that for the actors. pretty well and figure out what they wanted so That's where I was able to jump in I was wondering into wire works part of things so before. I talked to them about that though I ask you. How was Laurence Fishburne as a student? When you're teaching these things, he was fantastic. He was just He when he started out, he he was not that coordinated or adept at at movements, and what definitely wasn't a martial artist but he worked his butt off. All of them did on that movie that was a that was the best part about. The initial matrix. The way they worked they they a lot of a lot of time to training the actors from the very beginning, they wanted the actors to be able to do a lot of their own. Movement show that. You know that process really changed the way that we work here. In America and you know around the globe. They've been doing it in in China in Hong Kong for. A long time already so the actors do. Most of their own their own, and they have a much longer rehearsal period and they train them. More, but that really changed the game when it comes to what we do here, Lawrence especially with so Gung Ho, but in the beginning. That's what he he. He was pretty hesitant about about. Throwing a lot of the moves that they have to do, but then you know once once we were able to break it down and. He was able to see that it's a process, not just you know. Just go go through the move when when you work professionally and you show them little bits and pieces and parts of. The movement that they're they're being asked to do. And then you put those things together then you know people are much more comfortable with that, so once he. He got a hold of that concept. He got so much better at what he was doing and he was. He threw himself into it. It was it was great to see his progress, and of course gotTA keep mind. This is nineteen ninety nine. So why is as you're saying? Still very new to America is really the Buddha time for that Stocks Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon. Come out a little bit before the Matrix. So I. was working in la working in the industry. Where do you go to learn more back doing wire work as I said I been. Teaching gymnastics. FRUIT FOR YEARS AND YEARS I've I've always coached gymnastics since I was in college I would run on my lunch. Break over to the gymnasium and Coach, the the recreational classes. In gymnastics, and in that process a lot of times. You. Know coaching Is is we're using spotting rigs? And once I graduated college I it soon as I came out here to La. The first thing I did was go to gymnastics gym and get a job there, so I had A. Part Time Job coaching gymnastics which I always kept throughout my production years so I was always still involved in gymnastics world. and. I was able to use those facilities that I was still coaching at to practice, and then I figured out. You know rigs that. The stunt people used and then translate that into You know they Hong Kong Style and just looking at you. Know watching choreography in Hong Kong Movies Jackie Chan. Jet Li and things like that I just started experimenting, and it's it's you know. It just progressed from there. So then eventually you know I, I! Started being used for different movies where we were using a lot more wire work, and then you know it just. snowballed. And and you know then we, we would on the job, and we would figure out choreography, and we would do the same process that we used on the Matrix where you know, we would spend a lot more time rehearsing the choreography, which was not a typical. Western style of of choreographing and you know we would. We would work on just wire tricks in that process I connected with I, started my own stunt team And that I brought on a guy named Sam hardgrave. WHO's now one of its stock, top stunt or neighbors? In the world? He coordinated The marvel movies avengers civil war and He actually he's got a movie coming out now. that he actually directed extraction with Chris Hemsworth but he and I basically you know we. We would have our guys together. Two three times a week, just working on choreography working on skills working on tricks putting together filming techniques working on wire work techniques weapons and. So it, it all progress from there. I was still teaching gymnastics I was teaching Wushu. Kung Fu by this time which I still teach to this day so. He's been involved in a lot of aspects of teaching and that that help me keep my hand in the game when it came to you know progressing and learning and understanding they are. So, not long after you worked on the Matrix, you went over to work on Star Trek Enterprise I knew you were in the pilot episode broken bow, Van, and then later in future tense from season to. Again another alien character in season four so. I gotta ask. What is the casting process like? I don't perform on star. Trek show when it comes to stunts a lot of times. The stunt coordinators look to the people that they. Know and I'd known this stunt coordinator for Awhile. We've worked on several shows together or ready, and he knew my skills and I. You know I invited him to my. Rehearsals for other things, and and you know he, he coordinated me on on several other shows already, he knew my skills and he knew you know we. Talk about what you're doing and you. You see what other people can do, so there was a level of trust that the stunt coordinator news. I could get the job done then when it comes down to it, he pulls in the people that he knows that can can do the job properly, and we did a real lineup with he brought in. You Know Twenty thirty people. We all sit in the lineup, and then casting director, or the you know the producers or director, or whoever was involved, kicked us out of the lineup, and said you look like you know the the character that we wanted Cetera et Cetera, so it came down to I think there were. For five of us, initially, stunt sued Lebron on the the first pilot episode. that. used. And just viewers you're watching these episodes back at his episode airs. No at tells which stunt. He performed on those episodes, so he can pick you out. It's really difficult to tell. Went through enterprise recently. And I. Watched and I went. Oh, yeah I remember that and I kind of forgotten some of the things. I actually as as a soula. Von I can't even remember which episodes they were, but I got to do. The the first teleport Where where We had a big fight I I came in. We did a big wire trick and I came down and I attack one of one of the enterprise crew, and then I took over the. The control room and I saved myself out I. I can't remember what the term is for that when. teleporting off the ship but I got to disappear off the ship. They really funky cool CGI thing where I'm actually crawling across the ceiling upside down like a spider, so half of that was. Me and then half of that was a CGI pickup and then there. I'm all over the place the we're. We're falling down. We're getting shot. Like I said there were like for five in the initial episode. Anytime you see somebody, get shot. It's it's one of us, but there you know i. did some really Nice little little high falls and some wire tricks. I did a wire trick where I jumped up onto a shuttle in that same scene, and then I went into the transporter room. What else did we do on that? It was it was actually I. Complain About it to this day. the especially on that first episode the The costuming that we were wearing shula bone costumes were basically neoprene wetsuits So pretty thin. costumes. With no room for preparing, so when we had to take a fall, we really took a fall and the hardest part I found was when we were on a spaceship. There's no. Room for error. When it comes to falling, 'cause you're falling. We had metal grading on the on the deck of. The ship. So, we were falling down basically on metal grading. Doing one back fall where I was just hanging from my back. From a ladder. Or two ladders, and a two by four, and I had to let myself drop onto my back. And That was quite a quite a supper. there were a couple of things where. they had me jumping in through through a porthole, or a a It was was a a horizontal hole in the floor and. They didn't show the flip, but I did a front flip through that, and I dropped down about ten feet down into down to the next deck so. That's one and I had a really. Based one of my my head shots on that where I'm posing for that like a lizard. Jump jumping through Through a coal gopher hole basically. Yeah, so we did a lot of stunts on that there. Were you know it's? It's not too numerous to count especially over the different seasons all the the Shula stuff that we did and then On. A couple of episodes I play are an arc. I played A. Vulcan Commander, which was very fun to play so we get to do a big fight with with archer and Scott Back Ula and to Paul We did a big big fight with some new weapons that we'd never seen before. 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We know how to check our our hits as a stuntman, but he said give me some more you know I need to really feel it, so I you know I can motivate what I'm doing, so he was. He was quite adamant about making making things. Look Real. Strong and fast and what you want in a good fight scene and he was, he was just very very giving as a as an actor, and as you know somebody that was. Driving the. The scene and the production, and they the show He. You know. He was the captain. It was really cool to to. Be there, even though I was on. You know fighting against him most of the time He was just such a A. Really Nice giving. person. Now all the roles that you played on enterprise involves you wearing some prosthetics, alien makeup, and as you already mentioned costumes that don't necessarily get a lot of space to pad. Protect yourself up. I'm curious about the prosthetics, so you wore. So, what was it like few to to wear all this makeup and still perform the stunts at your level It can be quite difficult. It's in in those prosthetics. Especially, it's a Seulimun. We were wearing as I, said a full. It was like a neoprene wetsuit which makes it very constricting already plus you. You're not able to use any pads when you have to do falls. I think the hardest thing about that. Was the prosthetics themselves covered? It was full head prosthetics so covered my entire face. there was no breeze ability at all, except through the only place that could even sweat that costuming was through the nostrils, and and it would just be at the end of the day you know, would all all the sweats would pull down into your neoprene boots. I had on these gigantic lenses contact lenses. That were you know like twice? The size of regular lenses covered full islanders with basically just reptilians slits in you know. A coup- couple of vertical slits in I that you could barely see out of so that added to the the difficulty when it came to doing fights and stunts and etc, so it's. I don't WanNa say it was easy, but When you're in the moment when you're you know you're come on, not everybody gets to be in star. Trek and not everybody gets to be an alien or being on a spaceship. So you know that kind of makes up for it, you know you're. You're getting paid to play and have fun and you know it's it's. It can be a rough job, but it definitely. You know they're the perks that that. Go with it so. It was an amazing experience. So Tim. I'm going to jump ahead a little bit in a pasture. Resume here because I want to get right into our. Patrick Stewart discussion because even working with Patrick for a long time. In, fact, the very first time that you were his double was for his show, blunt talk, which was his dark comedy series about our British newscaster La so I'd like to hear about your experience on that show. And how you got cast to become his double. It's I mentioned. That's not very easy to come by. No, it's I was. Surprised, but I kind of we as a stunt people, we have various means to to get our our information out there now it's it's a lot different back. In the day we used to have to go out and what was called hustling, and there's still some bit of that where you meet with stunt coordinator and let them know who you are, and give them your resume and let them see what you know how you handle yourself for blunt. Talk I it was a matter of. An electronic submission to? Warn the we have various catalogs when it com and online resources when it comes to stunt people so I submitted to I think it's called stunt contact so I sent my stuff into two stunt coordinator, and they actually submitted me to production, and they narrowed it down. They called me up and they said they asked me if I was available, the asked me all my stats and. From there. They said Yeah. We like to use you so That wasn't that. Difficult to a casting process on that one. They liked what they saw right away, so I was I was thrilled when I got the call for that. We mentioned this wasn't your first time being around Patrick Stewart, but this'll be your first time to work directly with him. Do you remember what your very first formal meeting with Patrick Stewart on that? It was on set. What did we do the first day Yeah, we. We actually had a big chasing. It wasn't so much of a fight, but he. his character. Is being very bad and he is in a car with a transvestite prostitute and they're. I think they're. They're smoking smoking pot at the time. COPS pull him over. and. He freaks out and they chase him around the car. He runs up on top of the car. They try to save him He ends up teasing. One of them back so it's. It was very much a first ICAL kind of Laurel and hardy. Or Charlie. Chaplin Buster Keaton Kinda kind of chase scene where they're chasing him around the car. You know it's it's a keystone. Cops kind of thing So a lot of that stuff was. You know. We had to work out beforehand. I think we had had. A couple of hours to to work on that beforehand so I met him. or got to speak with him on set. Again for the first time. on that in an alley in Hollywood. That's the best place to meet anybody. Yeah, yeah, so, how did you find work with? This is your first time. You'RE GONNA. Continue to work with him but How did you find working with him? was was it a good experience and I'm going to assume that it was it was. It was and still is a dream. Come true every time I get to work with him. He is a consummate actor and. Coming from my background I Already. Super geeked out because he was. Drawn Luc Picard, which I love actually my first, my first experience exposure to him was I think I think I'd seen excalibur before I even saw enterprise. Maybe it was at the same time as it came out, but I was just enthralled seeing him acting and I went. Wow, he's Shakespearean actor and that that really drove my. Intentions to be a classical actor, so he was one of the the huge driving forces for that for me, so just getting to meet him which I already you know when I met him on Robinhood, I was already truly geeked out, but then when I found out that I got to double him that was you know a gigantic thrill beyond that? You know I didn't get to really talk too much on Robin Hood. But, on on blunt talk, you know I got a sit there for a while and then between shots. You know we'd talk about a little shakespeare little. Little this and that and you know just life experiences, etcetera etcetera, so it was. He's just. An amazing person, and he's so humble and real and down to Earth and knowledgeable he you know it. The neatest thing was. He would talk about things that. Weren't in the realm of were doing we. We've talked about everyday life and just just. Life experiences, and even still to this day a hit. When I find out he's done something or you know something that he knows about, and it's just. It just amazes me how knowledgeable the man is and how you know it. It shows in his work. How much he brings to a character. You know how how smart the man actually is. So I was I was very impressed with. that him as a person. His work ethic is beyond compare. He's no matter what he always wants to do his. Role and T. That can be sometimes my downfall because. He wants to do the fight. He wants to jump. He wants to do the running. He wants to do the you know. If he could, he would fall off a building he he is so gung, Ho he. He wants to to do everything that the character is supposed to be doing so you know if the character takes a fall, you know normally even with a man half his age that I'm doubling. Will say okay. You know you can. You can take a break and the start. Guy Tim is going to step in now and do this little fall. Patrick's not like that he's he he. He says Oh, but I I WANNA do this part of it to you. He jumped right in there, and we have to hold them back actually from going full out and trying to do all the the do all the stunts and movements, and you know all the action that that he's given so his work. Ethic is beyond. Compare even just. Running you in in scenes when he's not onscreen, he insists on being there feeding lines to his fellow actors and a lot of times. You know actors aren't aren't always that way. It's like not on camera, so I'll be over. You know over here and you know I'll I'll dial this in, and he's not that way these he's there during the scene with you and giving you something to work off have been it's. It's pretty amazing, says he mentioned this wouldn't be your first time and wouldn't even be your last time because he went on then to work with him again on Logan as well as as you Jackman. So what are your call about working on Logan with all of them another amazing experience. I'd also been a gigantic X. Men Fan. We were in the middle of filming. I believe the last episode of born talk and I found out that I got the job on Logan and he came up to me. Patrick Stewart came up to me and said Tim I heard your. We'll be working with you and He. You're going to be working with us. And Logan and I went Yeah. I just heard how. Okay and he said it's. It sounds like a really great script. And he started telling me about how much fun we were going to have and I was just amazed with that and you know it was. That was quite a surreal experience because you know. They flew us off to down to Louisiana and the. First Day On set get into the trailer and I'm talking to to my makeup person answering some questions and all of a sudden I hear hey, buddy, and and I look over. I didn't hear it at first and He said it again. Hey, buddy and I looked over, and he was talking to me, and I went high. And That was kind of surreal. What was amazing was it was just basically? Me and Patrick and Hugh for the first. Week or so filming because we're doing inside the the water tower, seeing And so you know there were. There are no other actors on set, so we you know. I was just hanging out with Hugh and and. Sir Patrick and you know talking every day just watching these amazing acting scenes and I it was, it was just so stunning to see the transformation that that Patrick had gone through to get into this character. And he told me that you know I I had to follow him on this, because on blunt talk, he weighed a whopping one, hundred and fifty five pounds, and he before we were even done filming. He said I'm losing weight for this and I went okay. So. He and I have always been pretty much exactly the same you know, now we compare. To the pound, where is exactly the same way? But he he went down two hundred forty two pounds I believe so. He lost a lot of weight and I went. Oh, how am I going to do this? So I really died down I. Think got down to one hundred and forty four, maybe but He really died down and got totally emaciated for that and and. so. That was that was quite a process, and they would fly me in and out when they needed me for different things, and so I was going back and forth between La and Louisiana. Mississippi and Now, they were fighting Patrick in and out, so that was a whirlwind it was it was pretty crazy. It sounds like an amazing experience to not only the around again Sir Patrick, but also to be around. You Jackman Watch. Both of them actually work. Did you learn anything? While they were doing their parts. It was it was? Once again. Hugh Jackman same same kind of deal and immaculate performer, just always there for everybody else and on this one. It was nice, because sometimes, because because of the schedule that they bill. Patrick was in and out so a lot of times they would actually do his over the shoulders and and his. They would. They would have me. Sit In for Patrick. and they would send Patrick Home, or out of out of town and I. You know in in a lot of especially that scene. You see me it's my arm. You know that he he was injecting and You know some really fun stuff it's it's you know hard hard for me. Even tell the difference it's hard to see. What parts of me they used? What parts of of? Patrick years done on different parts of the scene. You know I. That's awesome. So let's fest sort of it now to more current events where you doubled surpass again on the first season of Star Trek, card, so you were there for basically almost the entire shoot. I believe so just talk about what it was like to work on that show I just. Seems like it's a very different environment as opposed of Star Trek Enterprise. Remember being that show heights, and it was really great for a season to say. Yes it's once again. It's it's. Very surreal and it's a dream. Come true. It's I love the show and when I. You know they really kept it under wraps any characters any plot. Any description of what was going on all I knew was. To card, I had no idea So the the for the longest time you know you all through true shooting. Not a lot was revealed to. Anybody was very very hush hush. And in fact, you know it's it's. You know we were under under nondisclosure. Agreements to not reveal anything couldn't take any pictures. The show itself is amazing, and yes. I was there all the time once again. Patrick's schedule was built that in the whole show revolves around him, so they're very few times that. He doesn't have to be there so I was. A lot of times, just their their backup if they needed. you know a photo double witches? They need a long shot. You know from from? Two hundred feet away. You know they would. They would be able to put me in. They need an overhead shot where you can't tell it's him or not. So I was doing quite a bit of. Photo doubling on that as well just doing general movements and showing in and And even you know there. There are some times when when. It's not a real stunt, but here involved in scenes where where? He's not always doing the action, but he could be put in danger that they have to keep in there so a Lotta, times. I am the safety person to actually make sure that everything that he's going to be doing on. The day is so I'll be doing that through camera setups and and stuff like that whereas A. If they just put a stan, they're standing. Wouldn't know all the ramifications of. Different scenes. What could be dangerous what you know. Just going up and down dark stairs at. On a set like that can be a dangerous thing so I'd like to. You know really stick close to two Patrick and make sure that everything is copacetic. He's even just moving through the set because those sets. Can you know? There there's a lot of stuff going on, and there's a lot of lot of camera. Equipment that you know we don't typically use on a little comedy. You know unborn talk. It was much easier even even on Logan. It was much easier. You know you're placed in in a certain spots and on Star Trek it's back and forth and you know the dark sets and there's it's a spaceship, so there's there's always platforming and things that. That you can step off of and you could trip off of all off of so here's their safety protocols that we have to implement when it comes to just the filming procedures. So that's what you know. I was definitely involved in a lot of that in on even on some days. You know when we had, we didn't have made your stunts There's the. This coordinator on that show Scott Rogers who I've actually worked with a lot. is awesome. With the the major stunts, but when you know, there's just a little trip and fall or a little little hit or something like that. He trusts me to actually coordinate those things for him, so he can be working on the the bigger stunt. Thanks, you know. It's like the second unit kind of thing when it comes to a big show like that so. You know I'm I'm involved heavily in the the safety procedures when it comes to my actor, and even you know. The scene said that he's in. For show about someone who is essentially very very old kind of character. There is a big stunts for prepared of the series including the first episode. There's that big wire from the giant explosion. What you say was challenging stunt for you to work on this series. That was definitely visit on all right. That that was a The the fire actually wasn't there. That's Tgi, but definitely that is meeting that you see flying a good forty fifty feet. I believe it was. You don't even really see landing on that. One was a doozy, but Yeah, it was that was. That was a big stunt. That was I liked it, but you know there. There are some where you you get you get done with it and you go okay. Run my bell, but I'm ready to go for another one so I did that you know? Probably five or six times by the end of it. I didn't I wanted to go visit my chiropractor. So I mentioned Patrick Very Gung Ho about doing his own stunts he when he could. Were there any times on the card where he was like take seat Tim. I got this one He tried to do that every single time. He's you know he's The star and nobody wants to stop him. Even I don't WanNa stop him. It's is physically that was the entire purpose like on the Matrix, if if we can get an actor Qaddus, their own action safely and be able to do it again and again then we want that to happen. There are some times where I know you know, and that's the benefit of being able to that I've worked with Patrick for so long. Now is I. Know His physical capabilities which are amazing for a man of eighty years old. He's still impresses me to this day and I. I know his capabilities I know what he is. He is not able to do for sure and what he might be able to do with coaching or and I know what he's going to want to do. He's GonNa WanNa take all those little falls and shoots, and and and when it comes down to it, he you know you try to you. Try to give. Them as much input as possible but then. You really capitalized on the. The safety aspects of it and they you know he's. He's a smart man. He knows if if something's a little too big for him to be doing, but you know we've gotten to the point now. Where I, actually we trained together now I you know, threw, throw my teaching and training. Before the show was even done, we were working together lifting weights together stretching working on fight choreography. You know just general, general, physical fitness so I've basically become his trainer since then and. Giving given what the show has forced second season. You know he's. He's able to come back even stronger, so that's really what he's working on. He's you know. When he came introverted the first episode you know he's supposed to be a pretty frail old man and. No But you know by the end by the end of the season he's. He's Kinda changed, you know. So, what we're trying to do is both practically for him as as the performer, and as the character of Picard. We want him to be. Stronger and physically you know more adept. At handling the rigors of what he's doing because you know. Being in space, you know. Doing. Just being on your feet and doing what he's doing in the show. Would would. By definition you. Put Him back into better shape. He'd be more more agile, more strong more more able to do what he has to do. So Tim Course your resume is enormous. There's with talk about but one thing I. Do want to make sure we discussed. Today is a you have a school in l.. Every teacher craft, so you tell us about. Can we of movement Arts and Sciences? Yet I have a school which. I like to put together all those fun things that I've been doing over the years the the. You know they they wire work. Gymnastics fight choreography stunts. Circus Arts, juggling clowning stuff like that even dance. I was a professional dancer for a while any kind of. Styles that. Apply to what I'm doing in the world I liked to incorporate into you. Into my teaching so I put together this school and I bring in My friends who are amazing teachers at at a lot of different things to. Help people learn how to do things especially the wire, work and gymnastics and and Movie fighting. So that's that's my my side dig basically so aside from teaching, and hopefully returning on season, two of Star Trek Card. What other projects are you working on these days? I actually have a kids superhero. health and fitness web series. That I'm just I've I've I've shot a couple. Episodes on Youtube. It's called Captain Fit tastic, and it's been a dream of mine for many many years I wrote a song row row, two years and years ago, and then just never got back to its and now I'm actually. Filming that and having a great time with that so I've. Always loved The aspects of of. superheroes like the Marvel superheroes Health and fitness, so and and you know entertainment fun comedy, so I've put it all together into a little web series, and I'm having a great time with that, so that is actually a couple of episodes online now which are just Kinda testers, but that is really coming into its own, and I hope to really expand upon that and make it a big. Big bigger production. I've got You know some some major talents. Who I can't name as yet that are interested in doing cameos and rolls on because it's like I said Superhero stuff superheroes and villains and it's it's really fun stuff, and so that incorporates all the fun things that I love to do once again. You know that's what my life is about is is playing. Great Fun things and being happy on the checkout sounds like a fun project. I'm really looking forward to seeing what surprise cameos he manage to Poland for this portion now for anybody who's listening to this show today. Who is interested in becoming a stunt performer? What advice would you give them to get their feet into the industry? Learn how to act and don't don't. Think that it's going to come right away I get asked. Questions about this every single day. How how do I get into a show? How do I get on a show? How do I do stunts and the first thing that you have to learn is? and. It should be by very nature of it very slow progression getting into it, no matter how talented you are as. A. Swimmer a gymnast, a DANCER AND MARTIAL ARTIST THOSE SKILLS Can definitely. Assist you in what you want to do. If you want to be a stunt performer or even an action actor, but they're definitely not the full. Capacity of what you should be doing. You have to learn how to do movie fighting. All of these things are art forms in themselves learning how to drive. it stunt driving, which is a whole different course learning how to do wire work which you know, we teach learning how to do movie fighting, which you know I teach Learning how to move. The way that we need to move for for film. And performing is is a whole art form in itself, but first of all get that love of performing. It's not just falling down is not just you know falling down? If that were the case, then you know, we would be much more expendable. I have to know how to fall down and do that twenty more times without getting hurt. Too badly anyway and make it look realistic, so I'm acting at the same time so I would definitely suggest anybody learn how to act hiccups theatre class. Take a you know and and. Learn how to perform and learn the difference between the realistic things that happen every day, which are are not always so exciting and how to make them make the the the fake things that we do look realistic and how to make them look good whether it's short fighting on stage or falling down, or you know just a a slapstick a hit or a fight scene. You have to be able to sell all those things. so that would be my biggest advice is learn so much about. Performing before you try to take a fall, because the fall is actually the easiest part after you learn how to control everything else. That's very good practical advice, so tim last thing for you today. What is the best thing about being a part of the Star Trek Universe? I get to be on a spaceship every day I. Get to see stars which you know, literally it's it's amazing and I you know it's. The way they've set up especially. Picard is we're on a real? It feels like a a real ship. All the lights and vibrations and smoke and there's you know. We're surrounded by a big blue screen a lot of time. Sometimes you know there's a star field out there or you know, so it's I. Get to see space, even though it's not real. It's the closest thing that anybody can come to it without paying. You know three million dollars. To to really fly around the moon, which would love to someday, but I get to go to space and I get to be A. I to being every once in a while or pretend that I am John Luc. Picard which not many people get to say. And I get to work with amazing talented actors like Patrick, Stewart and the entire cast, and it's just you know another dream. Come true for me I. Love it saying. Thank you so much for all your time and all your knowledge today awesome. Thank you so that was our discussion. Tim Storms he's got many more good stories of that came from was a real pleasure. Here's some lows today. Today I look for chance some other time with them to hear more them the set of Star Trek. Card was extremely tight as tim mentioned and a in an effort to keep the show spoiler free as possible. This meant locking down the set from photography of any kind, but if you check Tim's Instagram at storms, Tim, you'll see one pick. He was able to post from the show. Him In his Chateau Picard outfit. Hang out with number one. And also since I mentioned it during the episode I do WanNa give myself a little bit of shameless self promotion, and I mentioned that I worked on a documentary about stunt performers. Well, if you over to Amazon prime, you can look up concrete and crash pads take a look at the documentary directed produced edited alongside Steven Kampfer. Did that in two thousand sixteen and I think it was in about ten. Ten Film Festivals and did pretty well for itself. It's about thirty minutes long, so it's really pretty quick in and out, but they want to get a better look at some of the things we discussed today in just an overall look at the stunt industry, checkout, concrete and crash pads on Amazon prime. We're going to have a link below for that as well in the description of this week's episode. So, thank you for listening to this week's episode of Trek Untold, and if you haven't already please subscribe to the show, you can leave review and rating. We'd appreciate it very much. You can also follow us on social media. Just look for trek untold on facebook, twitter and Instagram with other here from you unless what think about the show. If you'd like to support this podcast, check out Patriot dot com slash trek untold. You can keep our ship operating at full power. Once again. Thank you to our sponsor. Triple fiction productions and shut up to Scott Ray for setting up this interview. 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Episode 135: (RECAP) Joshua vs Ruiz Jr. & UFC Gustafsson vs Smith | UFC 238

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That's black rifle coffee dot com slash Shaab for ten percent of trading for some fact here then got in the face. Them baby Fu-kang over the place. Cages of Staunton? There's a new. Survive phone. This makeup race begins to. What is happening earn? We in a new studio baby brand new studio. We are making the transition. Making the transition. From female to male just getting, we're making transition over from the old studio, which we are just just camping into this thing finally got done spat boys almost done new painting on the wall pretty soon the last one same artists. Shoutout to the artists. Leyba Leyba shut to liba killing it this, I'm seeing for the first time as you guys are she in it pretty. Pretty kid has skills, little more room to stretch, our legs now, little more room to stretch our pieces out. Thank God, because we were is real cock fest than last studio. We're about nine dudes deep like it was video not much room to stretch, not much room to hydrate. But now it's all good. Maybe moving on up, but there's cords everywhere and this is the first day, so you get expect this, but Yam we'll be run everything out of here. Find the kid kina stating. Below the belt and. Chin was showing new pictures. We started out the fire. Kidde set when where with Brian just the upgrades, we're doing a little disclaimer right now that it's going to sound a little echoey because rooms aren't treated, yet, they're going to be treated soon. What do they have to do chin? It does Alison canal's really pals be fine. That's cool though. Some room carpet. Yeah. Yeah. Because bounce enough. You need rugs near. Yeah. Any? Yeah. We'll get there. Yes. First day man first day. What is up Joe? What is up? I am for shop. The plane from Cleveland when my favorite cities, man, the more I travel over this beautiful nation, the more I fall in love with it. Some cities, I go to my well, definitely don't ever want to go. Back is reason I won't go there. And then some I could live here. And that's Cleveland granted, I was there when there was no snow. There's no snow. I heard it does get pretty chilly there. And I can't stand the snow. But for the time being when I was there it was dope. Have you ever been to Cleveland Jin? Never. I don't think so never Cleveland Ohio been Columbus. Never cleveland. It was just I don't know. I was like that kind of small, small city, big vibe. Because they got big shit going on. But it never felt like like. Like they'll have the same hustle energy as a big city, but they have the big city ship like great sports teams phenomenal food. I didn't see one chain restaurant the entire time I was there we stayed. I see one chain restaurant some of the best food. I've experienced in cities from the barbecue to this one place. The guy who came to the show he owns it. It's called landmark Clifton, and they, they have a bourbon bar than have just barbecue. It was Redick use. And then at hilarity. Which has been there for ever, shutout to the owner Nick, just a special special dude at hilarity they have a restaurant there like a straight up restaurant restaurant than the club's downstairs. So there's like a dope bass one of her five star restaurant with wild beef in fuck in Dryades stakes crab, and then you go through the restaurant downstairs, the comedy club, which is a mini theater. So there's like regular seating, then balcony seating, and the next of that is another little if you're ever in the comedy store, it's a little bit like the belly room that little small room and they had like a straight up. Like diva. Due drag show on. Yeah. Interesting. Yeah. Is interesting. I'm sure there because it was gay pride weekend. There is gay pride week in the same everywhere, or they do different. Daniel. He's, he's not to, hey, bro. Don't do that. So it's not like one big holiday. It's a Muslim. Right month. But each city is a different weekend. And how many cities are on that. It's just kind of whenever they want to like the big cities, I think, sometimes overlap, but, like the small cities don't wanna get overlapped by the big cities like Long Beach. I think had there's last weekend or something we can go. They go the they go all out. I mean they go all out. And I was walking around in this baseball jersey. Some obsessed with, with Derek and Assan. And we looked like the most cultural gay trio you've ever seen. I look just like one big gay Puerto Rican for the Indians stroll around Cleveland looking for barbecue. It was fun, though. It was don't man, but yeah, the gay pride things going on there. So they Saturday night and my two shows in that other room was the drag Queen show, we had to share a dressing room. What that's the only knock clarity's hilarious. Nick the rest of the crew top sorta top five clubs. I've been doing my life. I love that place will always always come back. Not a great green room. The only knock on that place. It like the first they put us in a little like office. The first time second time I was like, oh, can't we just use the old green room like we the thing going on? So we don't mind being. They're both video. There's like this huge sequence. Ed thing. And now they wear that all time. Yes. What they do. Man. That's the only knocking place. It's awful. I've been in worse green rooms a definitely been worth green rooms, but it's just everything else there is. So damned good. But the green room is just like non-existent is either an office space or you know. You're sharing it with the drag queens, but it was it was fun out there man is really fun. They took me to place called Sleiman shot up, the it's Slimane's is like the specializing corn beef. So the do donor slamming, and then the owner of was the famous place out, here with corn beef right off right off, like a vine famous. Corn beef year, but like breakfast. Jewish place. Man. What is it called? Languor binders Langer's. I think that's what I'm thinking of I think that, that might not be. It was a Jewish place, though. On old school Jewish element. It's got to be a sound like that. I'm never going, so, so Langer's and my boy from slime in Cleveland had they went on. I think good Morning America or like Oprah or Dr Phil or some shit, and had kanter's I'm thinking of cantors Fairfax, so the owner of cantors the owners in LA in the owner of Slimane's in Cleveland one on the show to see who had the best corn beef sandwich in America, and your boy at Slimane's destroyed them. And so they come and Assan Derek, who have talked about before on there, who was come with me on the road to phenomenal comics. So they come with me to do press in between press the guy, who's the handler hilarity like oh, we do, we take all the comics do press in between. We take him a slime into each like a staple in Cleveland. Got try it. So my right so we go there and do known for their corn beef from cool. So we're the corn beef. I I'm not shitting you. It comes like ten ten pound plate all four of us. Got it. I'm like, well, all right. One definite trying to shit my pants on stage tonight. So I don't wanna eat all this. But then the owner comes over, and it's been a family owned for years, and years and years, and he gives me the sandwiches, just try it, man. You can split if you want. But I'm telling you just try it and the sandwich comes man and I'm not a big corn beef guides. Not get all the high bonnet Deseo which was the best average I've ever had in my life. He put like sour cream mustard thousand. Whatever dressing on it. I don't know what else in the bread. It was so God damn good. Is yet that your word winning voted best sandwich, corned beef sandwich in America. He was we beat kanter's out by run done doggy dog. It was fucking good looks so simple, right? Take some bullshit, it was so good. I was I slapped the table and I was like, oh my God I told Assad and Derek in the dude with us, Mike. You gotta try the sandwich, man. Like no. We don't feel give I'm telling you gotta try the sandwich. It was Redick. Yes. Men digit my pants later that night. But whatever it was so damn good. Yeah, it's really do press at the high feel about press by one on with this guy who I wasn't familiar with just because out in LA, you know, he's just not a I don't even think it's his show syndicate out here, but syndicated the rest of east coast midwest. He's all over there. It's called Rover in the morning. And so, before I think, when I leave Thursday, Wednesday night, I was doing a set at the comedy store and Burt crashes. Like, make sure if you're gonna do press you Rover in the morning. I'm telling you Rover in the warns when you want to do, and he's like a staple out there and Cleveland, man and. Yeah. He was used pretty cool. He's really cool. He kind of has a little bit of a Howard Stern vibe. You know, they bring on guests like those long form conversations with them. It's always mind blown to me, though, like unr- over in the morning, I've gone. Some other bigger talk shows radio shows day, have no clue about podcasting. I mean, not even like they don't have. Hint. And they have no desire to talk about it either. They think worthy enemy or it's just like he's like, you know, hopefully, podcast when you start making money. I'm like, dude. You guys have no idea. You've no clue even when here, Howard Stern talk about it. He brought it on his show before, he's like, just zoned goes, actually Joe's probably the biggest podcasts in the world, men and stern. Goes does he make any money doing that? Jesus Christ boys wards, like just for, like, I wanna tell Rover. But dude. So you, you get paid a salary from what whoever's run in this radio station I own on my shit. Rogin owns all his ship. You could and you work Monday through Friday and you wake whatever four AM and you go till noon. And how much pay do it's like I, I would never I don't know him that way. But I just wanna to be like, yeah, I'm telling you, you're going down a road. That's a venture just. Going to end radio's just become completely obsolete. And the other thing is you could also do radio an pock and but you could own the podcast dude, we didn't get into that conversation for on air, but I'm just we got out and Derek in Sinai, which like God. It's crazy. They have no idea about podcasting fascinating. But he's a monster. Dude. Great, great guy. Really, really good dude man, who's amazing. And you know what else is interesting is all the people? So when went to that landmark Clifton place. Those guys born raised. Cleveland. Grew up around it. The restaurant owners are bar owners. You what they broke my heart. You know what they talking about LeBron James? What doesn't tip should he Tipper? That's so hard to believe. It was a billion dollars. Yeah, you don't tip how crazy that, and when they I gather just hating because he went to LA but then it was different business owners that I met that go, he's been area. Just doesn't tip man. I guess, like after the games you shut down this restaurant and the restaurant would usually close at, like, say eleven but because LeBron get out of the game and post game media and change shower, so they stay open just for him and he'd go there all the time. Never tip them. Once like doesn't tip or just bad. Doesn't it? Wow. That crazy crazy. Have you heard of that sucks? Right. But here's the thing, so. So if he does it. So can they hear what he said? So he saying he doesn't he spent pri-. I don't know a ton of money, stay open, and he's paying the Bill for him and his boys. The waitress doesn't seem that money, the way just who's grinding her azoff or him getting paid minimum wage, and he's in here. She's banking on tips. You screw her Overman? But also you're just you're Nike deals a billion dollars. What the fuck do you care? How does that happen? And then I was talking to Derrick who is half black and stuck going to sign who's Indian and I said, is it a culture thing? Is tipping culture. Because in general, the stigma is different cultures don't that. They really don't tip well or not at all. At chin. Get all tied in here. So if chins. If so, like when you went to England since they don't they don't Austrailia I think, Australia. Yes. Tips, they don't do any tipping the services awful because they're like bitch. I'm gonna pay twelve dollars an hour, no matter what with I hurry and bring us DIKO or if I fuck in take my sweet ass time. It does not matter to me. So I mean I can believe when, when I heard the zero anything worse. My thing is doesn't I'm he's at such a high level where he drop zones all of it out. But if I if I go into new barber and they, they could draw dick in my head, but they know who I am. I'm like, why can't not tip the dude? Well, because soon as I leave, then it's a, it's a branch, he's gonna go do that. Shop kids, take doesn't tip. He tells his he tells his rent just like this is happening now. Lebron, but LeBron such a higher level. You'd think that you don't be known as that man special new just just. Let's take out his basketball deal to all his other deals. It's production company, his movies. Everything's HBO deal. Take all that away just for sneakers he signed a billion dollar contract and Nike and you can't throw a couple hundred bucks. Everywhere you go. Lebron fan that broke my heart. Bummer isn't a bummer. Dame it. Such a bummer dude. I'll tell you what. Now, LeBron's are, you know, who's the king of that town, Steve? Everywhere I went dude, Steve, what he thinks debate steep as next fight, what he thinks this debate is him and LeBron, male LeBron deep as our guide. He's more. He's more like them than LeBron's, right? Born and raised there blue-collar world champion champion firefighter so, like they fucked with steep bay there. I know he's news kind of big Bill because of the. The lack of promotion that the USA does for, for Steve, all these years, I was like, oh, he's probably just like. I don't know just like typical UC fired from that hometown, where people know who he is not big deal. Go to Cleveland and see how big of a deal, St. bays, go to Cleveland see how much appreciated that's a big fucking town. Man. It's a big city. That's a big market. They get the Indians. The brat. Cleveland Browns, then, off the Cavs suck dick, but it doesn't matter because they have a lot going on there. And steep as the focal point. Now, how are you not all over that? Don't give me started. I just don't when I went I went, oh my God. Steve everywhere you go. Do everywhere you go? So surprising to me. I don't know why. That's that's surprising to a little. He's won the wingless heavy champions of all time. Yeah. Firefighter, skirt firefighter. Rise. Cleveland's show diehards. So like. By day were telling me, I was going to go. This Barbara like dude. Baker Mayfield went there, seven weeks ago, and they just they know like a small town vibe, but they have shit going on. They at that big dick energy in a smaller town of environment, because they the same thing LA has gone on, but they're more conscious of everything in psych day, appreciate things more. And if you do fuck him over they don't, forget it. Hence the, you know, the owner when LeBron should almond left sent off that thing dude, you Faulk this man, member that it's like it's crazy. Man. I'm telling you St. bay out there is Tom Cruise here everywhere, his pictures on everywhere you go in remember the big LeBron witness thing that they had, like, whatever base said, the second coming of Jesus and had like dust in the remember that John has paid on the pipe painted all over the wall. Will that's gone there? Now. It's like a statue. It says, like welcome to the land. It's like a statue. That's on the bridges. And everyone was like, I don't know why I thought they were gonna do steeping that should have been steeped. I guess it was it was it was gonna be steep bay or this wall that things. So that's what used to be. That's a giant building chin. That's you cannot miss it everywhere you go. You see that might be one of the greatest murals of all time. Right. They took it down, think they set on fire, so when he keep going see they've always change it to that. But now look through out right there offer the land see the middle one so that giant thing is supposed to ward off evil spirits some shit now. But people were pissed that wasn't St. bay. Anytime. I took an Uber anytime we walked by it. People want that to be steep. Shutout St. payments is person. I again when your world champion, I'm sure it's a big deal. Like, I'm sure if you went to Hawaii match Holloway's is like steeping Cleveland, maybe even more so because they don't have the Cavs the Browns or the Cleveland Indians. But I mean it was amazing man. Just frigging amaze. And then here to the he has, like popular. It's cool man. Yeah. Yeah. And he's always going to be respected. No matter what happens because again, for me just personally, when I, sometimes, I gauge a fight on how like if I go get coffee, if people go, dude, what do you think of this fight? What do you think or just around town, even around, if I'm back stage at one of the shows, though, the comedians will ask me, what do you think this fight? There hasn't been a lot of talk like then a long time. I mean for any fight really. Not at all when I was in Cleveland, do steep ADC is going to be different. What do you think is what I think you can do this different? And this and this and it's cool. That's happening there men. So shut out the steep those, those take. I'm like that is really cool man. Really, really cool mother favorite thing to do when we go and do a Cleveland is Derek Assan. I always liked to get something from that city with the sports teams. So we wanted the Cleveland Indians, I want the real Indian thing. So they're so this Indian this thing. I think it was the name, boomer some shit bat Baxter chief achieve wa wa who chief watercolor boomer Baxter boomers, the so yeah. Chief Wahoo they're going away with this. So you can't get jersey with him on it anymore. So our goal is to find the Indian on whatever we could. And the only thing they had was this old school game worn jersey from some player that was on the. Team for like six months, and I, I was so happy that is the weirdest thing ever seen. He's actually finished cut. They took the number off the back. So just this random names on the back, and it's the military one remember, the military one, I don't know what game is worn. But I'm obsessed with it makes me happy. Yeah. Man. Yeah. The scrapping chief who best logo in baseball, dude. That logo is fucking dough. And you know who's protested that what'd you say that? So you think no Redskins is racist. I don't think this is that racist. It's based on what. The old brimstone. Face sam. It's really bad of the us for Michaud shows recurvature for the Cleveland. Holy sh- Nike's hold the phone. You're telling me that chief wa who is based off chocolate face character. The different but originally that's where the like the inspe- foreign Brown. The inspe-. Oh. Oh, wow. This is awkward. Now. Are you? That's wow. That is so bad. No. I love awkwardness. Everyone's learning. I guess he kind of looks like Sambo and what was Sambo from that theme? Sambo things super races. No way back in the day. So you say go away with Indian. Of the change the name, but I don't mind changing icon affiliate Redskins is more racist, yet, reds and seems way worse to me. But also, if you have been around the stadium, you know, who's who's, like protesting the Indian white people, you'll see Indians out protests like fuck. It's a baseball, dude. Let we have big battles to fight that things super racist, though. Still dove man fire. It's still my favorite logo to be honest, purifier. It's all about the intent right? It's dope, man. I mean it's dope as logo when I was a kid, I used to wear Indian's hat, and I took a gold sharpie input one tooth gold. It was dope. You guys have that one try if you want. Yes, I get this weird racist. Jersey apparently in Cleveland, we went to the Brown stadium and the that town is just on fire out the Browns. I mean obviously everyone and you know what else is interesting is everyone is hating on Beckham, who's their biggest right? Free agent signed rotate on Beckham for not going to tease inside Cleveland or not Cleveland's, like, what we don't give a fuck do these shows up stays healthy. But most of the people in Cleveland are eight nine them it's all all the outsiders, just like. In Cleveland, like now, we got this, we got this, but you know it's so funny. They've been shoot on for so many years, like I kick off my show. Talk about Cleveland Browns, and they've been on for so many years that I don't know. Man. We'll see. Let's just let's not make any promises y'all in all the radio idea like y'all definitely went into division wallow. All right. Let's just be cool man. Don't fight be cool. Dude. Like, what man guys got all the y'all the makings to be a championship team championship. Do let's just get to game one. And let's just take it easy. Everyone's like walking on eggshells around. They're not me over the top fucking stoked about it. Beckham was traded not signed as free agent. Did you see the commercial? I posted that Nike football. Did we probably can't play it? It's the best V best commercial. I've seen out of Nike. They said, Adidas Reebok. Hold our fucking beer, and it was pure fire pure Fluck in fire. Damn. It's good. But the Travis Scott sicko mode back in the background stripes over checked. Oh, god. It's filter, it gave me goosebumps and the season's not close. Well august. Pretty far. Yes. Oh shout Cleveland. Absolutely. Fucking left at man, one of the things in hope he doesn't mind me talking about this. But my opener sauna Ahmad whose door comedy store. He's an Indian not like Redskins Indian not racist Indian. So he is single, and he's always on like the dating apps, and he said, he goes into their nothing makes my day more than when I can go through his phone, and tell them. Yes, or now it is revving. It's each city. And then I tell them I'm like, dude, why wouldn't you just because I go, why do you wait till you're in the city. Why not before you go just can't you put in like, zip code or address, and then do it? And he goes, well, you can. But you have to pay extra for, like national exposure gets free. If you just do it in your like radius, and we will, what is it three bucks should pay extra Mansi you it lined up? When you get the town. Third, he refuses to, but it's very interesting because he's straight. He looks Indian the nice guy in the world. It's interesting he matches up with dot it's fun. Do whether how that he mashed up with dude. So when we go through a my damn these are some bad Mahamud JAMA's. Do. There are some bad ease him on the right there. He's doing well numbers lies. He always does well with. With. I don't. I'm not sure it's just a picture of him. That's that's. Oh, people like, oh, he's a comedian performer. He's time. Oh, that's a good idea. I don't know. Strategic the way you have to set up your dating app. I bet it is. I was traveling a bell tower. I, I had the location one. It's good to get a jump start. It's good to jump start. You pay extra ten bucks. Are you single? So you'd go round Taylor. I was traveling around. Yeah. I did that I got to get a jump start the conversation going so you can already like, once you get there. You can start making plans. That's what I'm saying. Instead, he got a Bank on the night on doing this because there's always a certain amount of small talk you have to do. Yeah. Like how have the lay down the foundations so you come in want to come to the show trying to help them out, man? Actually exact wow. He put on the. Wow. Jesus kreis. Yup. That's him. He had a frigging. He I've never seen him crush Hardiman. He absolutely annihilated that crowd. He's hilarious. Mun nice. Derek posted those boys are doing well men. Proud of him. Yeah, I love when he goes in town, the dating apps, because I'm AUSSIE, not in, in that life, and it is so goddamn fun. I want to pay for them to fricken to do it nationally or even internationals before we get to the city's Philly do TV show around it. Or like a TV show. But, like a digital show around early some like something with the show him and his dating escapades. Just see how it goes. To be an Indian young Indian America began not. No. Shout Cleveland though man shot fucking Cleveland. And dude. So I'm on mommy, dear straight amongst on that Hulu show and the. I like more into what the mom did was fucked up. The kid have all those potential sick this last bit on this. The mom was doing how the kid made it feel like you sick. She's in a wheelchair bubble. Blah, having all these operations terrible. Definitely worse mom of the year terrible. She has a condition. It's awful, but I'm watching my dad murders, a little extreme, and I don't like, like if she hit her if she did some other stuff I'm waiting for to get really nasty with their and maybe it's just because this is the Hulu TV versions are yelich more into it. But Daffy since intense man death is superintendents so I'm sure Pete listeners out there. No more facts, and I do, but I, I gotta look into it more make them watch them like damn this Girling ten years, and also shoes I twenty by the time like you stuck up for yourself at some point like you're the one that went in with all the bullshit pretend wheelchair hustling, people get all these benefits and charities in the house. So they only ten years, I, I feel like she get more. And again. I don't know the exact details to it like to hear. But at her age, come on, man, take more responsibility, just ten years. I think I haven't even watched the show, but I think there's definitely mental illness with the mom and went down to the daughter to. She has genetic so yeah. They're not. So maybe. Yeah. I don't know what they gave the killer gave stabbed the mom in the back. That was dead so much mental illness. They met online, dude. They met online, be careful. How many years did he get that do not look solid? He looks like he's he those people. To say how long you got? Ten years. So just get a second degree murder. She got ten years. Keep going. I'm sure homeboy get life. Yeah. He can't stemmed people in the back and killing people's mom and not get life. Let's say got life for say that there's mean to say now look up his name quick. He definitely life dude. Shut up to Didi and gypsy rose life. Yeah. You're gonna do he still be harassing that girl too. He suffering from mental illness. Yeah, shut up gypsy Blanchard. My favorite show right now. I'm gonna start watching Handmaid's tale. Everyone tells me to what Ryan show her. Have you seen it? No. But I heard Brian talk about all the time. Well, just when it first came out, he's really stick. With shows. And the what, what was interesting is what time did Anthony Joshua fight. It was in New York. So was it Saturday Saturday night? Right. I was on stage. I get a text from Brian dick head count, that goes, stop what you're doing. Go on Twitter and look at the this, I found out looking at the Joshua results and like God, Joshua knocked Mountlake, I don't know, six seven seconds and must be really bad. And I go on there and to my surprise Anthony Joshua. Not only did he lose. He got be defunct up. It wasn't this isn't a so when I first about I'm reading like all the, you know, the Twitter stuff like that. This wasn't a fluke. This wasn't he was the early in the first round. He's just outclassing Andy Ruiz junior and Ruis throws a check hook with his eyes closing catcher behind the air, and he drops knocks out this the world champion. Oh, no, no, no. When I watch it myself went. Oh, well Landy res just like we assumed he in boxes asks off, and his game plan is what made this thing, what it is. And he got it was a fight and all it was a fight. But you saw the skills of Joshua, you saw the skills of Andy ruse junior and you realize any Rouge junior should definitely be there. And he was not outclass. Andrew's junior is a monster. And when you look at his background, and you'll see guys I tried when I saw Stephen a Smith was like others butterbean, and he got beep. I know talent off. So he's just doing it for the troll stuff like that. But when you look at any res and if you go back to last week show when I went, here's the problem with this. So at their level, you know, anti res junior. I think he's a hundred hundred and five hit one hundred five Amtra fights. He one hundred of them loss, only five then went to the lympics. So we can be pretty fucking good. He seen every style. I'll definitely styles like Anthony Joshua. It's nothing. He hasn't seen before. Then you look at his pro record. Okay. The guy has thirty thirty four pro fights going in this fight hits thirty three one of those was against frickin Joseph Parker, who some people thought he beat. If you go back and watch the fight. Some people thought that was a fight that could've went raises way. So the kids thirty two and one going to this fight off, so you can fuck in fight fight, and so, at this level, and this, why get so mad whenever I hear I'm gonna be dead. Honest with guys when Tyson fury fight if it doesn't have Joshua or water into I don't wanna see it if it's a wilder fight if it doesn't have Anthony Joshua, if you're in it, I don't wanna see it if it's Anthony Joshua to have water fearing it. I don't wanna see it. Why is this this, this is exactly why I told you guys before out. Hopefully don't fuck around in blues in because at this. Level. These guys are fucking Goodman. These are especially at heavyweight. He has a really really, really good. So finally caught up with them the game the game. It's just like father time the fight the fight gods. They always always win. Man sinoe. They always always win the house, always wins name your favorite fighter. The house will always win unless you decide to take control of it. And even if you do the house is going to win. But at least you can control the narrative a little bit, but these greedy promoters, wanted to wait not to be there. What's the number one problem with boxing this? And now you fuck this hopefully Eddie Hearn's somewhere going damn damn or made his egos, not. And he's like, oh, we'll figure it out. He'll be okay. Now, you fucked this man, you're rob everybody entire world of this epoch heavyweight showdown. Now, we're still going to get it an anti Josh is still amazing fighter. And if you look over history, there's been great heavyweight fighters. Have lost before you. Don't need to be on the feed to be considered a great the promise Floyd Mayweather kinda fucked up for everyone and not his doing it societies where you think you got to be on defeated to be a great fighter. None of take a page out as book, you don't have to be undefeated to be great. You're fine, and go back in history. There's been great fights of Holyfield Mike Tyson Lennox Lewis Riddick Bowe some of the greats Muhammad Ali George Foreman. Some of the great lost, and they go on to do these huge fights, Anthony, Josh not done by any means. Would the promise. Now is this conversational anti Joshua fury and wilder bull? Now just throw gasoline on Anthony, Joshua metaphorically people outside the UK. Remember everyone Nancy Joshua's anti Justice will now that is tough to argue with that, right. Because he lost a Ruiz. Fucked around man played with the house money guys got fucked. You didn't get out in time you had it lined up, man for to make epoch history and they still. Well, it's just gonna take a little long get there. But you fucked this, you completely fucked this, it's such a shame in this was going to happen now. This was gonna happen to either wilder Joshua or fury. One of them was gonna get screwed. There's no way the three of them were Santa feed by the time they fight, because a stupid ass promoters, someone was going to get caught. And this was the perfect fricken storm. Eddie Hearn just greedy greedy and this, what pisses me off so much about this, and this isn't me being a Homer, this amino and fuck in facts wilder did everything in his power to make that fight happen. He flew over to England on his own fucking dime to make that fight happen. He went over what we gotta do man. Let's do this, what do we have to do? And did they make them offered? And does that her and say that out loud, they? Did make him an offer but it was such a low offer that they're not serious. That was at real. They knew Joshua wasn't ready for wilder. Exhibit a here. This is why this was happening. This is exactly what's happening. And while did everything. So when I whenever I have a chip on a show about this man, you're fucked us. Screwed them over you're screwed them over. And at some point if you're fighter in this makes fighters great is they're not scared of anybody Ruiz has been so many fights again, one hundred and five Amtra fights fought in Olympics over thirty five on the pros, you can toss these guys know fighter scared of anybody. So stop with that water skier Joshua, no fury, scared of Joshua. No water skier, bode fury. No, those guys don't give a fuck. It's their handlers is their management which control the nerves ZIM boxing, which are ruining boxing, because, again, the house is always going to win and these promoters, our show greedy, they're so greedy, the house, the boxing God's they one man. But to that point Andrews junior one. He never has to work another day in his life, which is fantastic. It was at the expense of Joshua. But you know what that's fine. That's the game. That's kinda makes boxing great. But also knowing that. This is the game and learning from previous dumb ass ideas from promoters. You would think they would learn, but they don't so they wait. And they wait into found the fights that we've wanted to see that should've happened years, prior when finally get it, it's not worth what it should be. And now this one's definitely not Joshua's. Gonna be fun though. He will be fine. But you did kind of fucking us, but any res junior never asked to work a day in his life again out grade. Is that you know what else is interesting is they offered him this fight? This is Greenwich shit. You're dealing with her dourness fight a year ago from forty thousand dollars to finance Joshua. He turned it down forty thousand dollars. He goes, he goes, now, wait man gets his chance. And here's my thing. If you're ready, her and Utah, she was handler, and these, you're supposed fight big baby Miller. And he takes every steroid onto the book and fails when he'd someone else. Are we not looking through that knows of Andy Reid junior going? He's an Olympian I know he looks like shits already people are going to think that Josh was should walk through them. Who's he fought? Well, he is. His thirty thirty two and one man. So he's pretty fucking good. Yeah. He's pretty good. And he is in shape just follow a couple of weeks ago. Well, who's toughest opponent just Parker. Well, Joshua beat him in he did. But it was a fight. Yeah. We'll have that fight with Joseph Parker. Go when follow a New Zealand decision and a lot of outsiders think resent you one that too. So do you think that someone should have told Joshua, he's based on defeated dude man with quick hands? You're gonna get a lot of shit because the guy does not look like a world champion, but he has the skills of a world champion. There's no upside here. Dude, there's no let's let's wait and get you a bigger fight. We don't have to fight in New York on that day. People are gonna be pissed. Let's come back or let's go back to Louise Ortiz. Because at least Louise, they're all dangerous fight. Louise people are familiar with them from the water days, but he's a monster has credibility, and he looks like the monster. I just this sheet is so. So common sense to me, as a manager, it's on fucking believable. What was the upside here now, Gallup said day one this great Randy Reid junior as in conversation because now they're gonna do the rematch, then try and stack all the chips and anti Joshua's corner put in England, and I will tell you this. That is not going to be easy fight for Joshua do not think he's going there and smoke any ruse junior that ain't gonna happen. Any REEs junior has the style and the talent and the technique to make it a fuck and fight just like you did before just like you did before. Great Cinderella story now first Mexican heavyweight champion history. How phenomenal is that men? Just a great story, man. Just a fricking great story, and to how many people were just shitting on everything that, like I saw one post it said when because of both Mexican the similarity and there. But it shows when Cannella was fighting Mayweather and Mailer had all the belts want canal. Hold on the fuck Gaddi. I'm on your belts. I'm gonna earn Amon to patriot then show any Ruis Joshua to each hole all and like the kid from up just happy as shit just like here, you know, he's not really dressed the part you some join eleven's on, like he might beat them. So, but he doesn't. He just looks like you know, he's, he's enjoying the moment people like all can you believe this? It's such disrespect one guy, just happy to be there. One guy was there to, to fuck in win. Well, no. Well, no one guy was there to actually do work. They're both there to do work. But one guy guy's definitely gonna win. This was. Thing not if I'm Hearn he should be pissed because if I'm if I'm a fighter, I'm just gonna go look at the way anti Josh's been managed man. Look at the ways been managed and your pisses me off, I think, after Joshua posted a picture of him and his team. Here's nine hundred nineteen members what's happening here. What's everyone's role here? Why are you over here in New York? Why the fuck you back in the hawk? Why do you have twenty seven cornermen and white? Let her dictate your career. Here's the other thing fighting dissolve on. I don't watch that thing if he would not any result in a minute. We're not even talking about it right now. No one watches in America, go the ticket sales, that's because Eddie Hearn by ticket sales. Some second rate that the America the Americans. We're not rushing to massacre garnered by tickets. God, man, it's such a shame you did you find him or Nokia, the internet's not working for me right now. That's fantastic. It looks like it's working. Yeah. Yeah. Man. It's just but again, Andy Reid junior great story. And the other thing you know, he was I think he's only a my plus two thousand. Which isn't the don't get one of the biggest upsets in history. But it's not Buster Douglas odds. Can't fight it to just not working right now. Surround picture. So I think boy REEs made around four million for this fight. They make seven so made seven I think Joshua around twenty right twenty or thirty. And then in the rematch of C way, bigger deal. Louis that picture look at all his teammates, dude. It's entire football team in his lava Mike. Thanks for me. My teammates, tell me what all your jobs are can can we go through that line of figure out what the fuck everybody does do you think is too big? Twenty-three guys twenty three guys. What are you doing, dude? What the fuck are you doing? But great story at the expense of anti Joshua. Because again, the house always always wins, always always wins. And you let the promoter fuck you around man, go now we'll just fight this on big deal. Well, you don't know fighting you don't know fighting. It is a big deal. Anybody can lose. Same thing. This isn't me. Oh, brands fair weather friend. I'll be honest with when Showtime, went, hey, while fighting the again, bad idea, bad idea. Do not have this out. Do not have this out. This is how I feel about it. Bad idea. Why exhibit A Joshua Ruiz junior, not that wilder can't beat him? But the longer we go without these huge fights fury, and Joshua, the more likely these guys are gonna lose. I nobody just smoked Brazil. Don't care bad idea. South Paul Cuban fob before was winning all the rounds for the one we got knocked out and he seen wilder style. He's been in there with him. He knows that, that right hand is the touch of death. It's a stylus stylistically Lewis is a nightmare of a match up. And so, for wilder, he wants a fight the best of the best. That's fine. Doesn't make sense to me. What's the upside? What is it a great fight? That's phenomenal fight. It's a tougher fight than Josh or fear have had in a long time, notice, none of them are barking up that Louis street, they Louise wanna fight them. Remarry wanted to fight Josh, when they're like, oh, heat demand, too much money. That's from Hearn's team. I don't know if that's true. I don't I feel like we're tease would have probably took a chance because he's a great matchup against Joshua paid. You guys tease probably beats Joshua now. Does he beat fury? Now. Does it be wilder? He was being one five before that was the one of my favorite heavyweight fights of all time. That's a scary scary fight. I just don't see the upside of guy you already be your problem with before, and then looming around our fury and Joshua. But what they did announce is, and this is this is interesting to me, so they did an ass while they out there tease fighters were guaranteed to get the fury match next year. It's like. Yeah, that's cool. Man. That's cool. Here's to get through or teasing Ken board who gives a fuck about that. Why not just wait? I don't need to see wilder fight Ortiz. Right now. I've saw it. Oh my God. Thank god. We pass that Cuban dude. We have our all the years. Thank God got past, that do just, just wait. Just furious fine. Who knows God knows who's fighting on fucking ESPN. We won't watch it. I welcome fan, but most people won't so why not wait. You can wait it out, bro. I'd much rather. You guys wait. And then fighting January, the wild fury rematch. There'd be sick but they are. Hey, it's so funny, they go, hey, Ortiz wilder to an after that furiously. To that foof. She's chris. That's tough man that such a tough such a scary fight. But again, oh, wilder scared a Joshua, while scared of fury no-one scared of anybody that Ortiz fight doesn't make sense. But watch it though too great fuck and fight to mention see how wilder adapts and, you know, he was getting outboxed the toughest fight of his life. Really? If you're. He's not round while almost out on his six round. Yeah. Hughes, it seventh-round, right. Fury, fear fury was game plan and footwork and was just kind of outbox them had more tools in the shed or TS was it was just like dude. That was a scary fight and tell wilder like was waiting to land things. Weren't connecting them finally, by the grace of Allah, he landed that fucking right hand that was crazy for sure. But one where you're like woo. Thank god. That's out of the way the modernist. Eight out of the way. Let's go back there. Let's go back, but for for wilder this, what makes them great. He goes. Oh, that guy was beat me for a few rounds. I figure I can do better then than that probably the worst matchup. Hey Detaille guys this, this might not be a popular opinion. UK Josh was a much easier fight for him than Ortiz, that's just facts or teases, a complete nightmare, south Paul Cuban, a chin nightmare of stylistically for wilder Joshua's, a much simpler fight for him just what it is man. But, you know, who's a nightmare for all these guys Tyson fury. Does this in the pocket, great movement makes you fight his fight hard to hit good cardio? Huge nightmare Al boxes Joshua. We saw what he did with wilder. Ortiz doesn't really hit him. He's, he's not locking. Ortiz out. But it'd beat him by decision. Clean slate might lose two rounds Ortiz. That's how good fucking furious. Man. He's so good. He's so, so good thing about the fight with wilder Waller's amazing. What are really only test them three times like that counted? And but when he touched him, his, he's the most powerful boxer in the planet. So we touch him, he went down outside that, if those knockdowns don't happen, he got straight up out class so good furious men on ESPN Ocho next Saturday at fucking three in the morning. Why not because a fury you don't think very wants to fight Joshua and wilder? Of course, they do announce the rematch, of course, he wants to fight promoter on this. Dumb ass has never fought before you made more money doing this on. ESPN ocho. At least we're going to get the fight hopefully. Hopefully, everyone eggshells now the house always wins, man. And sometimes the house is fucking Cuban, south Paul who've had issues with before it made zero sands. But I'll watch it and I'll talk about it. But I'll be terrified. He's he's the boogeyman of the division. He's the boogeyman division name. One person call that Ortiz. Everyone's like this go. Well, he lost that one time, we know but he was winning most arounds. I, I hate that while fight Ortiz that it's tit more. I'm upset about that is a terrifying. Fight man terrifying fight. Coming out of shape for the second time. But that's not a routine. He comes in like a monster. E N. He's downloaded the data he's been in there. He is. He is a smart boxer. Man. He's gotta learn from his mistakes. Bader has worked out for men. Think about his path right now. He has Ortiz who's already fought before beaming guy, sick time is tougher than the first time so you have this or motivated or tease this fucking Cuban missile crisis. You gotta figure out that you'd be before. But dude you won by the hair of your fucking teeth because you landed right hand phenomena fight best one in his career. So beat him. And then you got fury looming. In the dark who went to draw. But most people think that wilder one, then he won, but not only that let's do agree with this drawl, that's fine because the knockdowns and those those right hand that left they land. That's cool. But if we just go off Papon who won rounding who got out, bottomland, more shots furious team. There's not much to change their for them of dude crippling grab ass in later rounds. And you're gonna coast to win. But, you know, he's Yuri, so he played with dynamite, and he lost move by loss. I mean it was a draw but he lost the fight. The body of work that he's working on that got an eyelid. So. If you're Wilders team and constantly having this gotta be fucking wilder fan. He's going against all odds. He's not going to be the favorite in that rematch against fury. The only tease he's probably going to be a slight favourite. What you get. I was bet on the underdog. Usually, that's not a terrible backed. He is the hardest name someone with har- pathway going through to be for greatness, besides wilder Ortiz rematch. What are you doing fury? You find before fury outclassed you. But you it was a draw. It's crazy man. I don't get why people hate on the guy. I don't get it. I don't get it at all. Here's one thing you ever think about this. I guess from my fighting days, I feel this, and I'm a huge Joshua fan. People think I'm not I love Joshua. I was on his dick sacked before I was on Wilders. I've been on Josh. If you go back a listener Rogan's where I brought up Joshua three four years ago. Here's the thing thing about how he feels the morning before he hate on online. How Anthony Joshua feels this morning? It's a fucking bummer man. It's a bummer again all that being said he's going to be fine. There's been great heavyweights who have lost come back, and he still the huge paydays and those flights are still they're still gonna watch them fight wilder and fury. He's gonna have to have one and then do that. He's the chip and all the chips are stacked in this corner. They went compare. I'm gonna take these now you're gonna take whatever the fuck, we give you like no you shut the fuck up. So you're going to do this, this, and then you have to fight Joshua and fury. I'm so you have to fight wilder and fury. You have to know. Grab ass. And we're fighting dies and doing all this shit, and Eddie Hearn's, Sony do this, and it's everybody else cut the shit. You have to fight these guys now. So if this is the only way we can get those fights. So be it. But man, just put yourself in Joshua shoes man, waking up the morning it probably feels like a bad dream it probably just like I cannot believe that happened meant I cannot fuck in believe that happen. It's insane. Just be human for young social aid on the guy. Just imagine him this morning. Let me take a piss and we're gonna guess. And last, but not least you guys know how much I preach and support CB deal all CB deal as long as it's good organic third-party tested and hundred Saint guaranteed. What is in the bottom THC free? So it's safe for kids, that I'm preaching CD, but not just any see you. Can't trust all them. 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That's good bet take Anthony Smith because of Alexander's not hundred percent. There was going to beat, you know, we saw how damn good he is against Jon Jones. I don't think that's a matter of John Jones being rusty Smith. Is that fucking good is number four in the world for reason as even higher? And he deserves to be there that being said without Danner gusts fin. I'm not even gonna. We know he loss, brenick. It's emission Hughes win kind of the whole fight kind of doing. Well, it wasn't that he wasn't there. He was at present. He just got. He just got beat made a mistake in the transition anti Smith ended up getting his back in the submission. I don't care about all that. I'm not gonna that's not a sticking point for me. I'm not going to focus on that on the show. I've trained with a lot of guys men, and I was reference. Guys, I trained, right? Everyone's go shop. Chain was guy. I'm telling you, man. Not and I trained without him wanna train with John Jones. And John Jones is the greatest on the planet. He's the grace of all time. Hands down outside of him. I've never seen talent ever in my life. Ever my life. I've seen everyone. I've been around the game a long time. I was just finished so fucking good at fighting. It's unbelievable. How good that guy is at the game of mixed martial arts on believable my favorite story about Gus van. Now, these retired when I was getting ready for Matt Matry on. Gusts in was getting ready for John Jones because we on the same card you'll see one sixty five at the time he was splitting his camp between Sweden, and LA. So he would train at. Alliance, but then he would drive down to rain, and so I would train with a Matt rain. It'd be him, Brandon VERA were the guys come down from rain. So I'll Jen Spar rounds there. And I just remember him. I was just I could not like I been around high level mixed martial arts. I just never saw someone his size move the way he could move in whether he was wrestling, or boxing, or jujitsu. He was so good man. I I just remember being like dang. That's like that's what it is to be one of the greats. Like, that's the skill set. You have to have have that skill set. I remember he trained. What's that rain and then hit him in his team and I kind of kicked it off? So he's like dude, come down whenever you want work. So then I scheduled do a week camp down in San Diego alliance. So may my team drove down there spy, three weeks and ready for Mitchell on going there and wish will start at one o'clock while I get there about twelve twelve I drove down from LA I get around twelve and Gus Finn. I will never forget this. He's in the. Ring. He's in the boxing ring, and he spun professional boxer who's ranked a heavyweight and beating the breaks off of him. He went six rounds with him. No rest. They said just get ready. You can warm up in ho-gau into the octagon next, so who do how many do in the go six so I watch his last three and up most knocking the doubt, say the guy's name and Wall Street city on, like what the fuck comes over no rest minute. Break comes over, and then beats the brakes off me straight up. Beat top me were supposed to be there for a lot longer. And I went home that night because I got concussed. Oh, shoot. He fought me up. Man. I didn't realize how good is wrestling was because my game plan for Mitchell was take him down and submit them, I didn't want to stand up with Mitcham because on the feet, I felt like he would have an advantage quickies south ball. That's his game on the ground is my game going into that fight. So we want to take him down. So without doubt that you will, here's good takedown offense. But try not great. I'm definitely barely. Get him down. Not at all. Matter of fact, his cO in between rounds. His cO chamber to me it was like, listen, you keep trying to hit that double then run the pipe you have to use chain wrestling. Meaning if I go the double I go the single, the single kick out, like you got to have steps out of having a steps. I I'm not Khabib. I had three or four Goto moves my chain wrestling, but dust was so good. You so good. I can't I can't im- size to you guys. How good he is that mixed martial arts and again, he's like, this, this close be concerned the grace of all time, split decision DC than than that fight that he had John Jones at one sixty five was some people thought he won this fucking close. Men ones, zinc instead of zag. And he's the greatest light heavyweight fighter on the planet of all time. That's crazy. That's insane. He was so. Good man. He was so good. I've always held them in the highest regard. Always always I saw him wrestle with Phil Davis. Who's a Penn State frigging has a statue Pence as hall of Famer Phil had his hands for now granted Phil beat him. And that's when one of its first fights fill. Choked him out. And then Alexander went to Lyons when it came real close. We'll guess who downloaded the wrestling data of a world class wrestler, dander, and try to take him down. No. See never got notice. He took down John Jones so going into that fight. Everyone go how you have the main event. John Jones, I went. It's gonna be a tough fight. It's going to be really tough fight train with both, but I will tell you this in well, take John down. And it was like what the fuck? I'm like town. You seem fucking beast world class wrestlers man, the kid is so gifted, and huge. I don't know if the picture storm I scout so and find it, but he so big that he's so big the certain moments in life. We like. Oh he's light heavyweight. A light heavy the fuck out of here and get the fuck out and start telling jokes. This guy's Redick use. Yeah. Always hold such high regards man, just amazing amazing, mazing fighter. Just a zig, zagging goes down the greatest of all time now. He's another one. I hear in Sweden is like Tom Cruise her. You get treated great out there. I hope he goes on, finds whatever he's looking for man to fill that void of competing, but I think he's already one foot in one foot out. Maybe as an idea. He's a smart smart fuck into. That's what made him such a great fighter. His, I q, he's just a smart dude. And I wish him the best man shop dogs entered gusts and. The other main highlight. You guys all the time was the head kick of. He was under arrest. They say Rasic, right, Resic, Razek, Resig rake, Ryan. Jimmy Manoir those bad one men done over to Jerry, mantle retired, too, or no. He's fun to watch men, but. Yeah, that's tough man. Again. The game always wins. Always wins. Always always. Yeah. With. With Reich, again, you got one heavyweight meant that kid. The fuck and force. A real problem. Real real problem. Heavy heart when goes go swim fights men. If he would've just came. Five years later, you know, five years earlier grades of all time. What else we got? Give me some current events dude. Sure about Alexander this like fresh pain in Hamel high. I know I'm getting a little dizzy to hi, Jen. And. Oh, I forgot to tell you on that show the Rover they took a fan question or is a fan question. So some research they did. And they go it says here dicta to crate him with your producer. Where's the say that I don't know on some Rover? They brought it up and I was like, oh, wow. You did your homework and what not addicted, I do fancy crate him. Producer is addicted supplements man supplement. Supplement because the one behind him one like sound guys got busted for math like three. And he goes, I heard I should try like could to get off Matthew good. Yeah. I just remember that. All right. Well, Alexander Guston. So he's if you watched his post fight speech when he said he's retiring, he's kind of like it wasn't one hundred percent in and plus when he took off his gloves. He put them like, you know, the traditional ways put him in the middle of the octagon. He kinda just threw him down. So and he says he's he believes he's done like it doesn't have anything else he believes he's not do you think you'll come back if he does it'd be at heavyweight? He's huge dude. I'm telling you, he's a massive man, huge. So again, I was I didn't think you stayed at light heavyweight. I think she go to heavyweight as soon as you know, when he should he should do come out. Well, I don't know heavyweight. He's going to be a real prompt he could probably beat heavyweight. Maybe that's a great fight. But DC has won two left. Again. He just because John was heavyweight. It's a nightmare, but it will Johns light-heavyweight. Let John do that. Good heavyweight, dude. DC's retire, you go get the belt cool senior. She got your belt. But I kind of feel like he's done. He put I feel like I don't do this for money or because anything else I do because I want to be the best and beat the best. I can't do that. Then it is what it is. Awesome, John, and that was the third tunnel fight, I felt like because I got a little bit of injury in that fight show, my capacity. So had some hope in me, I still felt this Anthony fight would be a great comeback. Start climbing again. But now, Anthony to feels like I don't have any more information myself they last three title fights. Here's the thing. Don't listen to anything. Anybody says after laws? That's the literally the worst time in your life. The peak is so fucking low. So I don't take any of that to heart. Now, if he comes out a week or two or maybe month for I'm definitely done. He's probably done. Yeah. And also chance four title shot, not great unless he wants to come back and fight at heavyweight, which I think is brilliant idea. But again, if someone doesn't wanna do it, there cannot be a worse sport be and in the NFL you didn't coast it in a little bit get paid. You have guarantees. You have these. Bonuses. Where if you play games get money when you retire for when Cates. All good baby insurance for the family. You see there's no, there's none of that. They're going to be a worse sport. Coasted in so get our what else have this is just people commenting after he allegedly retired. I didn't see most assume no one hated on now. They're really nice even John Jones, Giampa. Honestly, I don't believe you. But if you're serious, thank for your thing, you held the division two standard and made us better. Go kick ass of that family. Yeah. I would like to just said, go kick ass with their family, and then DC, he said he made him a better fighter better person. The three of them three of them are so fucking good. The three of them are three legends. DC. John and Gus are you kidding me? The three best ever do it, man. I'm then they did make each other better. You wanna go back real quick to the. To this Anthony Joshua. So people dug up a post from March with him and Drake. This kind of silly silly silly going going back now. Few post this at Williams at the game. That's fine. But you can't just post like Drake takes pictures with how many people and he's way more famous than the athlete. He's ever meet. Right. So he goes, he's a fan of boxing or whatever he travels all over the world, London all over. So he's gonna take pictures of everybody. So eventually, when everyone has a downfall you post picture Drake damn seven years ago, he visited them in Dubai. It's like okay. I don't think that's why they're losing. But it is a funny coincidence, because he mentioned this is going to break the curse hold up Joshua posted this. Yes. Out to break the Kerr's. Yes. Well, forget, everything I just. Why would he do that? Why would you bring that bad juju on yourself? People are talking about it kind of an awkward picture, kind of silly. Yeah, I don't know what else yet Drake kit. I mean I love Drake. I like. I like. Yeah. I kind of like it. Because although the stations like the sport stations all they talk about Drake at the game. Now. It's become Drake. Verse Golden State set of Tronto over school in state's Drake for school in state. It's just funny touching the fucking coaches shoulders and shit. He's talking shit. Dreaming. Green? What we think this is what you don't wanna do. You don't wanna fire up professional athlete. Give them more motivation because excuse me, and then they've been doing it for so long going to ball out like Draymond green did in Toronto bald the fuck out and they won. What's this Dan, made this is a collection of social media posts after Andy Reza's win. So Conor McGregor said I know firsthand the toughness of Mexican chin that come up off the floor something thriller. It's never over into. It's over with the Mexicans, God bless them. Congrats Andy REEs. Yeah. And this is Ariel. Hawaii. I guess it's a wrestling move called the DX chop. So that's what any is shocked world. And DX chop em all on the way out. Legend kidding Snickers doesn't give Andy destroy one. So is handles at Andy and score. Destroy won the heavyweight champion of the world commercial deal after endorsement will never eat a Snickers again, that's at least three percent of your profits. Don't risk it Inglesias. That's hilarious dude. Andy set for the rest of his life men. He set Mexican heavyweight champion. You're set even though he was born in California. The worst thing in do in life is fucking quit. He wasn't a true champion. Soul crew was consistent of lies contradicting gifts facts. And now we know who's running from, who this is tough in this, but here this, if you know, the backstory, my brother sent me, this was like, dude. How about the wilder wilder? So upset not Josh, but the way things were handled and the way they dangled the care in front of his fucking face. He's, he's, he's has chip on the shoulder this man because he's like I fucking told you guys man. This was gonna happen. And this what happened? So instead of being like oh Joshu it's all good. You come back. He's upset because you fucked it up for the three the three of them. There's a fraternity of three heavyweights that can own this, this platform, and greed of Eddie Hearn, fucked it up. It has to be her. Right. I'm telling you. That's what it is Jim. Yes. So when wilder lashes out, he so upset for the sport of boxing. He's not it's not because he's talking shit to Joshua the where he's coming. Here. That's all his team, not just Joshua. So soon, I saw he just really upset. He's just he's mad is come from a place of anger. I saw post fight interview with one of the reporters, those talking Joshua about the Wild Thing. And he said something like it was supposed to be him or it should have been him. Knocked me out, something like that. That's why that's why waters, lashing out this poison because I fucking fucked it up guys. And then ties we have our back and forth, but Anthony Joshua changed his stars to life heavyweight boxing, these things happen. Rest up recovery group and come again. Yeah, he's grid on social media at the end of the day. That's what it is. Congratulations to the Mexican warrior, Andy REEs on the historic, when demonstrated tremendous heart rules in termination, under, doctor's like this, or why we love the sport agree, Stephen Espinoza Polly. This was this weather. If I ever saw one. Nice man. The more these a little more than a year, any res L here you go a little more than a year ago. Any ruse junior, res-, represented himself as manager was offered thirty thousand dollars to fight Anthony Joshua last night. He got seven million for the fight. Now's the heavyweight champ, you'll make even more because they have to do the rematch close and Anthony Joshua put this Andy's night. Congratulations champ beautiful. I think that's good. But I also want to again put yourself in nasty Joshua's sheets this morning. Most girls like, yes, sir. But put yourself in his bed this morning. But here's my only knock on this. I, I like when the guys like pissed like I like a good sport but he's fucking distraught. Maybe dressers get actor. He was saying this mental, it seemed to really give here. Here's all can he said he has to stay positive. So he's just trying to look at the positive stuff. He's he can only move forward from here. That's fine. And I love that mindset, but I need you to kill care little more. Maybe he does. I don't know the dude at all. Graphics off this one. Smiling. He's part of what the hell's going on now. He's like, I'm believe like, oh, hell. Yeah. I don't know what happened. That's was weird. Right. When the guys like do you wanna find? Yeah. I do I wanna fight, but I guess he saw something that Joshua couldn't continue. His is proud. Yeah. In the. Technique spigham, get more. If you wanna win spill your mouth being turn your back. That's definitely a way out. I think I think Josh thought it was going to be an easy night, even though it's so stupid. Because he's around surround by morons thousand being easy night was like holy fuck. This guy's a not a good match for me. I'm gonna fight in my life and just wasn't mentally prepared to go through it and the next a lot better. But still going to be a fucking fight, whether he's prepared or not. But I think Josh was expecting for Ruis kind of cash it in and just make it easy for him to hit. And when he realized on a dogfight, he's like fuck, dude. And just wasn't there that night in. Did. All right. This is a little older from last week. I don't think we talked about it. But you have sees. Early. But you'll Romero his guy, one of the collar brothers represented him for tainted supplement thing, they went through an apparently he was awarded the judgment of twenty seven million dollars from that company, the Malki. Yeah, brothers Abraham Abram townie, man them, boys. You wanna go with man people. Paid. And then if you saw them sniff around, they fight forty. Yeah. God is always good. I see you soon. Boy, thank you. Every him. First-round management, Malachy. Yeah. Man. Then boys can do. But according to Romero's team, which includes attorney Howard Jacobs and co the breakdowns, roughly three million for the loss wages three million three million. Okay. Now, I want to actually get that much money. Now everyone's saying that the company will just full for bankruptcy, 'cause it's not a huge company. It's like one of those online couplets get any money from what I'm hearing from people talking about this. It seems like if he gets anything it'll be so small. Man, I think it'd be right after the sunset. I went to that website to their gold star. The first thing I did was good who thought as high risk list, and just type in Goldstar and popped up the few times. Makes. Well, she got all that money. Yeah. That'd be sweet. We did. But us yet Jessica on drudge. She was robbed at gunpoint with her wife in her Honda. HR V in Brazil, and so they took her car phones and all that stuff. But luckily, they recovered it. That's cool. Yeah. Media stuff that school. She got robbed at school. They've found their stuff. Here's a picture of just drudge that she posted recently to it's her naked with their belt. Hole. Aggressive picture. Yeah. Okay. Why did he do the randomly for like gay pride weaker them? It might be right since it's. What's her wifey? Look like I didn't look. Oh, click on her profile, that's such an aggressive picture. I don't think that her in the polo there. You don't think she showed her wifey. I can look wife's name from the story. I don't know. I'm curious. Nandor Gomez that sucks, man. Yeah. Brazil, great place. Very dangerous sometimes. Yeah. Even her she's a well known champion now. Their day. That's cool. Yeah. A little thick vinegar for a while. I had no idea. She was married. Found out through this. That's cool. What does she get Jin? I got. Paulie algae taking another step further saying that he was he's ready to spit on Artem lables Lobov's mom, if it got to that point, these boys are taken another level. I don't agree. I would say I don't regret the line was crossed a long time ago. You can't take spitting or anything out of context. This line was crossed teased ago. Once you cross that line, you can't set a new line only do I'd not regret it. If his mother was at the press conference, I'd have spit on her to, there's no reason. We've got anything. I'm shamed. I couldn't do more that line with me. We can just go. Now, nauseous referring to the time as a sparring partner for Connor back when Torius. Okay, K. And so that was that when the line was crossed. That's the one they began Conner's team receive Artem was part of Carter's team or is part of team spitting. I think he's just talking about how like he's been doing this. He can't go back from this. He has to go further. Spending on the mother. That's just kind of crazy. It's so intense. Yeah. All right. Chris cyborg, has a fight lined up with Felicia Spencer, the girl that just wanna get Megan Anderson. Ooh. Right. Little Canadians finest Felicia Spencer in the house that's fight that to forty was that a let's look here. It might be Edmonton Alberta into shallow Ted Medine. Great place. In July two no snow fuck Edmonton with Holloway and Frankie GRA. Hell, yeah. All right. What else? Who did? Oh, yeah. Damn Felicia by Felicia by Felicia Felicia the what else yet, he's fun to say by fleas. Another one Germain Durand me versus Aspen, lead UC, Sacramento main event. Minivan, which is getting some some fans and Dana white to go out at other. Who else is on that card, rewire favor and Ricky Simone? I wonder if it's. Feelies always fun since is on there, though. Darren Elkins Ryan hauled dare us. There's some navy on Valiente Kevin cirmac, man EKO. That's a great fight. Josh Emmett hell, yeah. Beckett dude, your favorite, this great card. There's no like thanking fucking blow your hair back. If you're a casual fan, but for the hardcore Greek card. So this is funny. I thought this is Dana White's Instagram. This someone posted this, this card is trust our trash this, this card trash. Jay child's nine one six this car trash second fans are better man. And why response stay home fuck face. I there's tons. Stay on and fuck face tillers. What else? You get John Lineker. He's saying that Sean Shelby, you'll see they're not giving any fights. So it was like you just let me go fight elsewhere. His last opponent had four fights since his last white. Organizing a that's opponent was my boy Cory again my last point four times a year here. He has another fight Sean likes him. I've fought only four times since June sixteen. I need to find if you don't like me or my style. Just let me go. All right. Well, they love his style wonder, whether or not find them more. Wasn't he supposed to fight crews a couple times? And then you got injured crews got injured something like that. Yeah. I think they're trying to like his style of that. Yeah. I think he gets injured. We've seen him or. Keel. A lot of fans pointed this out that the UC released a promo with deers first comeback fight, and they didn't show anything with McGregor, obviously. Right. We mean I've seen because they don't wanna show their money guy, getting dropped or looking bad against someone. Have, you know it's strange because scheduled to fight anytime and seen the promo that's sick from. He's skills, the finally time and also most people know like the Casuals, they all pointed all know Nate from his Connor fights. A lot of people thought they beat them twice. Why would you show that let me see this highlight? Yeah. It's actually pretty dope. Better than the NFL. No nothing comes that was like the spider verse, and like comic book stuff. Don't be. Slapping all these other guys. Resume. A box man. Fight, always one. Using this. Something. One of the most dangerous enders. Great highlights of maize. They could definitely put better music. I've seen fans shit all over highlights like the like meaning they can do away better job. All my people are getting super good at the stuff now. Oh my God. They're getting good at it. Deficit highlights. That guy is ridiculous. Brogan post them today. I feel bad because, you know how they make Joshua look that bad after he just lost did one to Brazil to the. Yeah. Like made them disappear what else you got? Dates fight fine. Again, though, that highlight didn't help though. Okay. I just want you to listen to this. I. If you know where this is going, I. Yep. All right. Let me refresh this, because maybe the internet still bad question. What made you start martial arts? What? Just like oh, these guys all the legends. Bruce Lee Jackie Chan jet Li and all those guys. But I think for me when I was young coming to the states as an immigrant, I was bullied, I was bullied to a point where I contemplated suicide and several temps. There was even a point in my life where I wanted to shoot up a school because I was really so bad. Luckily martial art saving really intrigued me was video game called Tekken, which I was thinking about. Played the game. He said he had a plan to shoot up at school and came out with your riot hall speaking. The next guy cheeses, Christ. Hold on. I know I like tech into I'm sorry. We can't breathe by this. Did you just say Flanders shoot up a school thought he had thoughts? Implant it, but he had thoughts. He planned. He said he had plans on play that again for let me remind us thing. As in. Question. What made you start martial arts? Like what? Just like all of these guys, you know all the legends. Bruce Lee Jackie Chan gently and all those guys. But when I was young coming to the states as an immigrant, I was bullied, I was bullied to a point where I contemplate suicide and several attempts, there was even a point in my life, where I wanted to shoot up a school because I was Billy so he wanted wanted to shoot up so damn plans. This come Tam dot thanks for Texas. Fun. Kim route three more want to shoot up school whole buck the bureau teams like new. These say the school shooting, okay? That's I, I read people responding to it. Because on your first impression is like, why would you say that's just crazy to say, but some people should internet's, like I've had the same thoughts, bro? They're saying that kids, do some kids do have that same. So it's good to hear someone say out loud, and then find a way to do something with their lives outside shooting was cool. Like trying to find something that you're like you know what I used to think about schools, not anymore. Thanks your hall. I'm now a teacher. Just don't piss me off shot the tech. Shoot up schools, then I got a GameBoy. I'm fine now. God damn to die would have kept that one to myself, I can't believe you said. A little. Kirk culture of our nation. Just yeah, it must have been dark, you know, because, you know, when you're like damn dark, make light of this situation. But fuck dude. Yeah. All right. Shoot up schools, especially back then was cool. How old is he? Early thirties. Yeah, so you must be like one of the. Him him in the Columbine boys are the geez, you know like. Is your dog? What else we got? Hopefully hopefully people don't shit on them and just go. There's like all right. Well, we know what he's trying to say. Yeah. I mean he just missed his words she source losing FIS, all pay attention. I'm saying. Those I loved gummy bears kid, I still love him. Right. When we get to lighten the mood. This is Adrian Brunner. He went on Instagram to talk about a vibrators versus dildos Ali here because it's pretty funny. Okay. Now ladies. Tell me if I'm right now bitches, get haunting just like next. And I know that. Confession. I'll be gone a lot. So I told my wife, she's allowed to get a vibrator, but not a deal though because I look at that sheet. Now. No, lavar like getting to hear from another bitch. You know as long as I'm there, you know, we just going to be some eating pussy, my, that's cool. But if you go get him up monster crispy thousand. You your team. You're going to get a plastic dick twirl environment at the same time and then it might be bigger than mine. We'll get him divorce over that. I'm wrong. And I know why wrong up. Me up. Funny. Stay off the internet. An update on. Andrea lease husband that was on, I guess, on the run for a while the Nazi kid. Yeah. They finally caught him. But the weird thing about this, so he was speeding in a school zone and had weed on him. And in Texas, you know, you can't have we. So they got him, but then he was released the same day on bond for like. Thousand something dollars he's out again. Yeah. But they, they actually found him. But he's in trouble for domestic assault. Right. 'cause he hit Andreoli. He's in trouble for that. Yes. So he'll go to court for that. All right. What else let's see. Got dark hair. Yeah. This one is kinda dark too, but not that dark. So I embraced Darden's out. I with John Wayne Parr, your boy, John Wayne. Yeah. Awesome. Dude, he posted this video. I'm not sure where this video is from either. But there's two kids super young sparring in a hotel room and they're going full force, and they look really, really. Thai? They to be right. Can you hear the language him? You can't tell Japanese them. Goes. Damn fucking bad in shorts because Dami fucked buddies like. He can stop eating. I don't see. Yes. I don't wanna see anyone the crazy thing about this is John Wayne was known for like he was hated in the media, and Australia. Because he is daughter. He started her very young with the martial arts or kickboxing, but he's saying that it should be inside a safe area with pads, you know, where there's people that can watch over and not going full force like this awful, awful. What does the bigger? To, I'm sure you knew about this early, but pays rans that she went to Instagram, I did and bread Okamoto, Elsa posted that she broke her arm again, I know man, and she'll be out for about three months and look where it's broken right. We're that bracing terrible. Looks like have to food drug. What else you got? Big ones. I think. Talk about fights about fight. Okay. I'm good men. All right. Two. See to time. Schools. Those kids killing each other. I'm not doing well chin sorry, you're a house, a great dude, though. I think I think, for him, it's more of how he's bullied being immigrant and how he had those thoughts, so I can see how can help all joke an aside, and he's actually really good dude. Charlotte, the Tekken. What do we got here? We got a fight card coming up. They're not technically the headliners, but they technically are, if you watch any promotion, going on by the got twenty Ferguson verse Donald cowboy so. Rony discards great. And he got my girl. The main event, the prelims on ESPN Tatiana swore verse Nina answer, office, soirees plush war as all the time. Tatyana Tatyana you hear that song? Tatyana domination than her and Michelle. We'll see what happens there for the title shot, or one of them will get it. But Tatiana definitely gonna take your business. I love this cartman. It's a pay per view. Yes, sir. So you got tied to. I off amazing fight phenomenal. Fight. I can't wait to see that actual my favorite fights on this card. Jim Rivera, Peter yon hells. Yeah. Great fight has done how much Jimmy Rivera, twenty dollars for owning the shame is this isn't five rounds, but I'll take three rounds of fury. We'll take absolutely three rounds. I'm curious. How Tony Ferguson is mentally. That's kind of the biggest Asterix on this. Where's tony? I in that after deal with all that shenanigans with his personal life, we know Don, Donald Surani, ready radio role. We know Don Donald Cerrone. He's ready to roll though, thing is the winner of this fight spout to get a huge fight one of this is going sizzler one. Or this might get a Connor could be. That's what's happened neck. So the magnitude of the winner of this fight is so so big, so there's a lot of pressure on both guys there. But. Yeah. I mean, Donald boy. So, yeah, you know where my heart set on that one changeovers just guy John ship, Janko stuff, I've just guy. And then hitter pseudo. Marla mariah's. What's the odds of that? We thinks favorite. I'll say Marlin barely. Yeah. I would assume that as well. Marley minus twenty tough fight for who'd omen, moral Moniz is an absolute fucking nightmare. Can make some who Angela hills fine to you could make some good money on these cards. Touching part of the biggest favourite my right, Valentina ocean Ching-Kuo, minus fourteen hundred that's insulting tuck in a is minus nine hundred makes sense or boy, Calvin caters, fighting we're lamas. Yeah. Fuck that. I missed that the tough to dine pieces fighting that's a great fight. Marlin Henry, pseudo, yet, the very tough fight for Henry, pseudo. Oh, I didn't even notice this. Alexa, grow slow and Carolina Cova cabbage not mad at either of them. Sterling hatred Munos. This is all on the card. How can was among other things showed me on the audience? Act. I know there's Kelvin Ricardo. Pedro sterling other. All right, there, Carolina Grasso. Yeah, this great car top to bottom in phenomenal card excited for it. I do think Marling gets done via decision room. Just. Really just I just got a disagreement coaches on how she's being trained and she's at extreme to in the you have CPI now which is interesting because like. She was kind of their big name before St. bay. That's right. Then you also got on does own the worst broadcast in the world. But I will watch the fight I still find it very entertaining, how bad there. But Goulette gins fighting Steve rolls. The super middleweight title, who's not going to tune into c- fucking naughty. Gluskin fight. You gots to watch that fight. Sweet man. Is that it that's it fan questions? Okay. What he got? And the first one kill one nine kill nine four, which is a bigger. That's an easy name to follow. Yeah. Which is a bigger upset. Ruis beating Joshua or Buster Douglas knocking out Tyson Buster Douglas Tyson. I close not even close. Mean look the BUSTER was fucking like. The name close remotely close. All right. Sta henna pay does Anthony Smith versus Johnny Walker. Make a good fight. You think anyhow, love the fucking podcast, bro? Keep it coming. Thank you. Don't don't cut that me, bro. Anti Smith, Johnny. Johnny walker. No upside for anything Smith. Johnny Walker's rank. What right now I mean you just you just be who was wearing what two or three antisocial four empty. Smith is going sizzler. They're not fighting young line. So he was ranked number two anti Smith, a number four. So Anthony Smith has to wait to see what happens between. John Jones and Santos if anything I would, I would imagine a dumbest razz but it's all down for him because the only guy ranked ahead of them Santos has a fight for the championship, but I would not want to be the guy to find out how good Johnny Walker Anthony. He's been fighting for too long to get to this point, you can give some young hungry line who is on tested, the shot at the number prior to in the world. Now. What else you got Komi eighty nine. Do you think the analysts should pick? Do you think the analysts should pick who gets the bonuses of fight of the night, and performance tonight, rather than Dana, whoever else? No. But I don't think data in those guys should pick it. But I don't think the analysts should. I don't know how big it. Fans. Those popular guy would win all the time honored when every award him if he lost he'd win in the wood. I don't know. I don't know. All right. Maybe include analysts, and then Dana and his guys and the analysts and see. Yeah. Coal. All right. Sparta russ. Do you think that if we cleaned up his diet and took his conditioning seriously? Could he pose a threat to wild or fury? Good though, right? Yeah. I don't see cardio being issue for him. I think just because he's overweight, and like is fat that some guys that works. That's what he does. So everyone wants to quickly go like with DC wouldn't it be so much better, if he lost weight, new shredded now that's not as body type. That's not that's not as DNA that he's one of the greatest fires on planet earth that what he's doing wouldn't wouldn't kmby lot better for your shredded. And now if you make them shredded. Sometimes that goes that's productive that fat storage. What gives them a lot of cardio. So he's exactly where he should be. You wanna give the guy advice on dieting you talking about the just out anti Joshua who owns multiple world championship. What do you wanna do talk them at his age about dieting the fucking? All right. Tim clerk key sorry. Tim clerk keys to keeping your shoes. Looking good. Do us any products? Forget the product. I got man. I'll I'll post about it. But I just, I don't wear them that much fall. Absolutely in love with a certain pair, and I know I can get them like those Nike. Reacts I think you called reacts. I got I got another pair of those. But if I know they're not like limit, I get again. I'll wear the shit out of them, and those are like my everyday shoes. But most shoes you won't see me where ton at home. I'll take these right away. I'll take him off right away. I will do how stuffing them or like jail or running these. Take care of your white shoes. I can never clean my wife. She's done. Why choose you don't want to white? He actually they actually good when a little vantage craft up. Right. Looks like Ben Stiller. What else do you all more? Sure. All right. Last one. Jared, h Baker is a dysfunction with baby Miller. And the short notice opponent at the at least partially to blame in Joshua's loss. Yeah. I think it's the lack of. Respect to the boxing game from his handlers and any Hearn thing they just tossed anybody in there and Josh was gonna smoke the guys. I think it's just a perfect storm to dethrone them. That's what happened. 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#33: Dylan Hintz | SAGA Action Arts

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#33: Dylan Hintz | SAGA Action Arts

"What's going on folks? Thanks for hitting that download button and checking out a new episode of Toys and Tech of the trade, your one stop shop for toys, tack and talk with some. Assembly required I'm your host rich, and if this is your first time checking out an episode, first of all welcome second a bit about what we do here. Toys and tech of the trade is an interview series where we sit down with content creators. Creators entrepreneurs and just awesome folks that are on our radar and discussed the gadgets, the gear and the tech that they use to run their businesses create their content and overall. Be More productive when it comes to toys, we go well beyond action figures. Funchal pops the usual stuff and talk about some of the other stuff that people consider their toys whether it's collecting swords or working on cars or going as deep as collecting kitchen knives. Knives you'd be surprised what people consider their toys? 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Am debating doing a back to school gift guide, which is GonNa be interesting, because back to school is not gonNa probably be as the the usual back to school that we have been used to over the last few years. Especially, if we are not fully out of the woods yet with covid nineteen, but that's something that's definitely on the horizon. We're probably going to be doing something like that towards the. The end of August, or maybe in the beginning of August will see how our guest lineup goes for the for the next two months I think with everything going on the gift guides are a nice way for us to share a lot of things that we usually don't touch on in some of our other shows and our guests. Obviously they come from different walks of life. They have different tools and tech that they use, but sometimes there's other things that are out there that people may WanNa look for that. We just don't discuss so i. I think the gift guides are definitely going to be something. 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All the usual stuff that we cover on the range works brand will be on the youtube channel so that any further ado we're GONNA turn it over to this week's guest actor stuntman martial artist Dylan hints. Let's turn it over to him and learn about the toys and tech of his trade. My guest this week has probably one of the coolest careers at of all the guests we've talked to in quite some time. Imagine Waking Up and instead of punching a clock your punching someone in the face. You're jumping through glass. You are dodging bullets. Your working with swords than prop guns and different things. My guest this week is entrepreneur, stunt, coordinator and actor Dylan Hints. Dylan thanks for taking time to sit down with US and chop it up on this episode. Thank you for having me rich You know this is a long time coming for us. It's good to finally get it done right, yeah! I've been. I've been following your your work. Since we connected and just seeing so much of the stuff that you you work on your into especially as someone who was into martial arts, growing up is a huge action. Movie buff loves ANIME LOVES VIDEO Games. I saw a lot of commonalities so I was really really excited when we got to schedule this and you know you have an extensive background in martial arts you know survive which not too many people I know that martial art you. Know, Collie stick fighting Kung Fu. Taichi you have a great background that really amplifies a lot of your other work, and I want to start there and get into your origin story like what drew you to martial arts When did you start training, etc? I started training. I mean this is funny. It's like out of all the martial arts that I do. Cool how you just listed all them. It's like the the only ones I haven't really done at least full time for a little while like taekwondo and karate and it's. It's like I haven't done those too. Like most popular martial arts I've done little bit them here and there but but I did start with karate when I was about seven years old. My parents took me to somebody the basement Dodo school it was in the suburbs of Maryland and went. Went and trained for a few months, and then I cried, denying my first built test, because they gave another kid their belt before they gave me my belt after passing and I thought I wasn't going to get it and I was a very emotional little kid, and my parents talk to the teacher, and the teacher was getting frustrating with me frustrated with me. The my parents were getting. My parents pulled me off karate when I was a kid because I wasn't disciplined. Really just wrap your head around the I'm trying to because you studied for the test. I'm trying I'm trying to actually piece that together. Because you study for the test. You were going to get the the belt and yet you weren't disciplined enough, but you went through everything to get the belt in the first place. Yeah, well I mean. I think I was probably like to be clear like I was probably a pain in the ass as a kid like I I've always been very emotional and I think that's part of what I'm going to tie your my answer to your question into is like. The first martial art that got into when I was a young adult, when I was seventeen was touchy income, Fu and I did that completely of my own volition, because I had a couple of friends at school who were like the the WanNa be fight club kids. Hung out during lunch and one of the stairwells, and like occasionally beat each other up. It wasn't really that serious, but it was just like the attitude of it s the world sort of attitude, Yep, and and so, but for whatever reason we all knew this one other guy who was like in his mid twenties, who was an instructor in Long Fist Kung Fu and an old version of Tai. Chi under his teacher and his name was Food Dijon Weeks Hundi was the title he was given because their lineage. All the titles are in Swahili under a guy. named in Ganga, moving de la WHO's really was Raymond Cooper. anyways the point. Is that I went there and when the teacher asks me like, why do you want to do this? I like gave you know half ass baked Kinda like I'm a teenager I wanNA be more spiritual. I didn't even know that means at the time I was just saying it because I was like I don't know I wanted to feel connected to something and a wanted to have a better opportunity to have insight and control over myself and those emotions and everything that was talking about so. I started with a very traditional system and you know. Know we were uniforms. And we said yes. Sir and we did our push ups and again it was in somebody's garage. It wasn't an a big parking lot. Dojo or anything like that and you know. We stood there and we held meditation positions for an hour like that was part of our training, wasn't we barely ever actually sparred so I learned all this really great physical control and Motor Control and movement from the Kung Fu and everything, but I also learned a lot about how self discipline is something that I had ownership of that I was in charge. Charge of it the first lesson he ever gave me. He just told me. Here's a move I want you to do. You'RE GONNA stand out on my back porch. Do it until I come back and gave me one touchy move. He put me on the Portugal and seventeen years old. He left and I did that move for forty five minutes until he came back over and over and over again. I was like wow. I just made myself do that so That's like the little seed of martial arts. Journey is because once. I figured out there was all. All this cool stuff I could do I. Just didn't WanNa. Stop it I. think that's one of the craziest things I remember. When I was when I was a kid, it's it's funny that you use what you were saying about. Being a pain in the ass when you were a kid, my mom, I remember she put me in karate. Class. I went to a karate Dojo. We lived in the Bronx at the time and I remembered. They had us like sparring and I was just starting out I. Remember this kid. Drop me on my head and I probably. I probably got hurt. I don't even remember all I know. Is that it just? It just didn't work, and then she pulled me out of there. Put me in another karate school and you know I picked up a lot of stuff, but it wasn't until I got older much like much like what you were saying that you know you bump into like the kid. Does cop away at the kid that does Moi tie the kid. Does, and then you just. Kinda want to mess around and do that stuff, and that's what ended up happening, so it's interesting because my mom put me in that stuff for the same reason like Oh you know your your kid needs structure. He's you know he's a little too hyperactive and that it did absolutely nothing. When I was a kid, so so I. It's funny, hearing that from you, especially, because your journey into the martial arts, even though you started so young didn't become a disciplined journey till you are much older, and even still when we're sixteen seventeen, we're still kind of undisciplined, but to find that discipline on your own is very very incredible. Man. Much respect for you well. Thank you and I mean it's like this would be a whole other. Other podcasts I'm not going to get into it now, but like as a teenager I had my own issues I. Mean I had my own mental health issues? I was a child of divorce family. I was very much bullied. I didn't get along with people in high school, and it wasn't until I really got with that group of like really weird people that just wanted like act out martial arts movies all the time I really felt. Felt like I was Kinda jamming with people in some way like I. Wasn't into the same music as everybody else. I wasn't into Whatever the thing at the time was that everybody was into I I was partially in theater. I didn't survive very long in there, because of again kind of these emotional issues, but I I just really realized that there was something to getting in a fight with another person, but not in a mean way. Way that could be done and be social and you know. That was just a big part of how I made friends for that last year of high school, and then when I went to college, it kind of took a back seat a little bit, but it was always kind of air and eventually I did get more into arts, and again in filmmaking and everything, but there was always this undercurrent that man I really WanNa. Like do this physical play fighting at the very least with people like I, WanNa swing swords. I WANNA kick box, or you know eventually. When I found like Filipino, martial arts, I WANNA, swing sticks at each other i. I don't know there was something about being social and physical, also I was just never into sports, and never really could play basketball. I was terrible at it and you know. I liked baseball but I eventually just kind of want to do I didn't want team sports, weird, individual single people. Things were kind of where I was more at so it just kind of kept staying. There is like a consistent theme throughout my adult life, and now here I am doing it professionally. It's funny because we are. We are my friend. We were on the same wavelength because that was pretty much. My entire life growing up didn't have team. Sports didn't like team sports. Always gravitated towards singular things for that exact reason I think that part of the reason why that is sometimes, it's because. I I feel that when you internalize what you're into, it just helps you become more proficient at it like what you were saying about your out there practicing Tai Chi, and doing the same move for forty five minutes. At that moment you're you're internalizing it and you're probably looking at it like I have the master of this one move. It's almost you against yourself. Yeah, no, I mean it is. It's it's like that quote from the movie fearless or at least the tagline. It's like if you master yourself, you'll be fearless if you master others, you're strong or whatever I kinda even though I've been in leadership positions. I've always known like my own. WORST ENEMY IS NEAT like it doesn't matter what anybody else says about me. If I can't put myself on that horse and do the same move for forty five minutes, I'm GonNa have a problem and I'm still not like the master of self-discipline here, but if somebody that has an entrepreneurial career, and it's been completely freelance the fact that I've never gone completely broke or the fact that you know I was able to move up to New York and get my own apartment and everything with Kinda like you know, it's not sad story, but it wasn't. It wasn't easy for me to have the confidence to do these things and I really do attribute my martial arts journey to being a huge part of that, and then the extension of. Of the martial arts. Journey and I'm sure we'll get into this later, but like. Is the stunt stuff because to me? It was like another expression of that discipline. It's it really does come down to also just like you were saying like. What do you feel that you gravitate towards and pay attention to one captures your interest because I think for at least for me. I think it's funny. You and I both agree that like team sports weren't thing what's one of the things that happen team sports. You sit back and you wait. Like baseball, I was terrible. If they put me in the Outfield, I was digging up dirt like I. Just wasn't paying attention the rest of the game, but like if you're the ring with somebody, you're paying attention the whole time, and isn't that like a done like a ton of ring fighting, but everything are trained for is like staying wear saying present you know staying on copy yourself and maybe there are people in the sports balls in the teen. Teen Games that do that I. Just know didn't work for me, Manson. Those guys are outliers and it's funny. You say that because if you look at like Michael Jordan or these guys at the end of the day, they were so singularly focused on being the best that they made everybody around them better, but it was always them against everybody else in the recent Michael Jordan documentary really focused on that. Everybody else was Kinda just playing with Jordan. He wasn't. He wasn't playing with them. They were playing with him and it was just him against everybody else to prove he was the best athlete and I think that. When it comes to to martial arts, you know George saint-pierre always talked about it. He was like listen I'm a I'm a fighter, but I'm a martial artist. I i. always want to prove that I'm better martial artists than my opponent. You can be a better fighter any day of the week, but a better martial artists to complete fighter is just not something that everyone is, so. It's funny that you say that because. Because, it's true, there's outliers for that and I. Actually want to talking to. I want to dig a little deeper into how you started bridging. All of this martial arts experience to turn it into a profession like word it word that word that fork in the road come where you said listen I wanNA. Make this my fulltime job i. mean that's that's a really great question. Because it, it requires you know to go briefly through requires me to kind of like. Express Kinda like the outline of like the tripping that Kinda happened to get there like how I just kind of fell back into. I actually had one. Yeah, yeah, there's the. There's the stunt joke right there to I had a consultation call with a potential client today and I think she's going to be signing up and helping started training group when my business the Saga Action Arts. which is you know a big part of what I I'll be talking about here with you tonight and everything just because it's like the main thing that I've Kinda like locked myself into with my brand, my endeavor but She was asking like. How did you get into stunts and part of what I express was started by thinking I was going to be an actor Oh, okay, and you and I mean I do have acting experience. I do have acting credits. I am in Sag after the screen. Actors Guild American Federation of Television Radio Whatever whatever's after and no, no one in Sag knows. What after means and that's it but. But. We also call after now because we're supposed to hyphenate it. I and I've done performance I've been in theater and everything like that without being a stunt performer, but the truth matter is that it goes back to those emotions, and that self-discipline when I was an actor I could give some pretty good performances, but my attitude was that it's really so I was just all. I was all about me. And it wasn't something that I enjoy like I'm on this podcast. I'm talking at you right now, but it's like all I care about by doing this podcast like if something I say ends up being interesting or meaningful to somebody and they it triggers them. It gets them excited triggers them in a good way. When you clear about that I want to trigger anybody in a bad way, please like the hopefully the mental health cw etc, etc, but like. I WANNA spread the positivity of like whatever this life things kind of about. How we can be our best and help others be best like you know. There's this very tagline sort of thing to saga that's like your own hero, and when I was an actor, I was just trying to be like in the spotlight in the center of attention, and I wasn't really thinking about how important the people around me were, so what happened was I got really lucky. Because one of my first, my first professional acting job was with six like the Merica was a stunt show so I was being stunt performed, but I was also. Also acting and again I had my own little issues and everything like that I had to learn to get along with the cast and theater can be really hard, because you're around the same people, the same five or six people for like six or seven months for show like that, and if you're not like captain social, and it's weird for you. It's like that can be really tricky, so you get really interested in job, and you get really interested in like well. How can I be the best that I be at this and You know got through. Through that job and I went back into the the local film industry in the DC area and I addition tonight acted and got some lead roles in some films that didn't pay me anything and brain. Much cost me money to drive around the whole area and you know it was just like this is final, but I don't feel like I'm pushing myself the way that I wanna be I. Don't you know I feel like I need to shut up and thinkin focused and work more and I was doing martial arts at the same time and I was like. Like man I really just want to change my branding to be like I'm just going to be a stunt guy, so people would offer me acting roles and I'd be like sure I'll I'll You pretty much gotTa Pay Need to act, but I'll stunts for free right now while I'm building this career, you know I've worked on a couple of TV shows like nightmare next door. All those like murder death worn recreation things that what was informative murder porn. Yeah, where were they recreate? They always recreate the crime. Do they have the people yeah? Tire thing Silver Spring Maryland the hotspot, or it was for making the recreation really There's only yeah. There was a company. Their sirens media outlets silver spring was actually female owned and operated You know which was a big deal to them but it was all these scenes of like, and he looked at her and thought I'll kill her. Ha Ha, you know he's like Did he do it? Let's find out after the commercial break. You know I I played everything from like a creepy stalker boyfriend to like a peeping Tom Window anchor. I played a lot of weird role I I'm pretty sure I played a white supremacist. had caught him ball in his mouth at some point. but yeah. My whole point is like once. I started realizing that stunts was also about taking care of other people. It was about being strong as you can be so that you can help take care of those other people, and yes, it's going to affect the work that you're GonNa do, but it was much more like kind of like a semi military sort of thing, and it is not at all. All like the actual military, but like the mentality of everybody around you is your responsibility, and in order to be responsible, you have to be disciplined, and you have to take control of yourself, and you can't have freak outs, and you've got to be engaged and present and aware and safety oriented in terms of your environment. I was just I was really thrilled and honored by that because it was like I. I felt like I could really help. Like I could be on Saturday I could do something useful. And at the time my job when I wasn't onset was to train, and just get better at that part of it, and so I couldn't really do rock, climbing rigging, or like wire work focused on my martial arts, a double down, I, was at the point, where I was taking four different martial arts classes. Classes every week or a couple of years I was taken in Jitsu QC. Fighting Method Campo Karate and a sport karate that was also learning to teach kids, and you know I was still doing my own crew at the time our I think our school was closed at that point, and I was. I was just blowing my mind by taking everything I could and I sucked for the first couple of. Of Years Because I was just doing so many different types of martial arts wasn't just settling on one, but I was like man. I want to get these different perspectives and I wanNA know how I can integrate them all and put them all together. So I can make it useful for what I WANNA. Do with my life and I didn't even know what that was at the time I just knew that. That I had to do it well now with with trying to trying to figure that out, especially with with you training in so many different martial arts. At what point did you decide on one particular martial art to hone in on what what was that? What was that? Wake up? Call for you when you said you know what I need to focus on this one because this one's going to be my. My bread and butter. Well I, didn't. It never happened really I would for a time. Okay, like like for a while I'd be like Kim GonNa focus on mostly Filipino martial arts right now, so you know I was in that was already in stunts I was already professional and my first mentor. Chuck Jeffreys WHO's the choreographer for the first play movie in the First Spiderman Movie. Here's my. My first like hardcore stunt mentor it was a professional relationship that lasted for about a year and a half. Give or take and he brought me to work on a movie called black mask was Johnny Depp movie up in Boston, and I was doubling Jesse Lemon Um from breaking bad advice and methane He said that I looked exactly like him and I was like. That's a compliment, right? I and and. I didn't have to really do anything on camera, because Jesse did all his own fights. But I had to be there for four hardcore weeks of choreography training with Chuck in the stunt team and I was really green. This is only my second professional stunt. job I'd worked multiple episodes on turn washing them spies, but this is only the second coordinator I'd ever professionally worked with as a SAG after perform and I was in the deep end of like a thirty million dollar warner brothers in town. I never been to I've never been to Boston. Trial by fire going on Yeah so my point is though is that you know when I was training with Chuck, we were doing boxing for the most part because that's what it called for with the character, but when we when we met afterwards back in Maryland, train in a parking Columbia of all places He started showing me Filipino stick fighting with The innocent of the cost of the BRA barely even knew way was talking about at the time, and basically these flow drills. You tap the stick you tap the sticky tap. Stick you all these different angles and at the time. My brain was just like it was on fire. It was melting. It was like. The terminator going into the the frigging hot lead works at the end of the second movie. It was just like. I was I was done I was like. How do I even keep up with this? And then eventually found a school in Maryland Maryland Jikun. Dough with a CJ yeager, who I'm still friends with and we still together and work together every once in a while and He taught me how to actually do any taught me the double stick stuff and the movie, not another movie. The show Arrow came out and I ignored if I slept on aero for two seasons, and then finally it was on Netflix, and like I guess we'll give it a shot fifteen hours later I'm like. I and I'm like Oh my God I. Want to be this guy like Oh. My God like even a mel is so broken. Awesome and he is So, I focused on the stick fighting, and you know focused on the blade, work and everything from Filipino martial arts, and then eventually JV was like. Hey got my gt. No classes on top of that and I was like I don't know I mean Bruce. Lee's cool and all, but he's like the guy everybody liked and I'm really Kinda. More punk rock like I don't like going with what everybody else likes. And then it was like yeah, but you know do this. Oh. Yeah, okay, cool. Yeah, that's dot. Kick one. Bruce Lee did survive well sort of oh well, I'll come to class then. That's how they got ya. Yeah, because I always had an affinity for the French kickboxing art of. savant box Francais and I have no idea why I just I saw these French. People doing these dancy floaty sort sorta kicks was like that's fricking. Cool. I really like that, but there were no teachers for it. Never anybody around. That could teach me, so I tried to learn what I could, but you still wasn't really a thing at the time, and I wasn't on the martial arts DVD's seen like Arbor was got a collection like two hundred martial arts. DVD's is training. Ones not move like training and I. I I was like okay cool, and now I'm like working with the United States of art. Like six years later as one of their admin assistant and I'm a white glove, which is the you know, second to last or third last rank in the system and I had to travel Chicago Multiple Times just to be able to test because there was nowhere else to go. Wow, so long long long as always story short It's always martial arts like if you. If you are like a lifelong martial artist, you might not find. Find like the style that you're in love with, but if you do, it's going to be very apparent to you. It's GonNa like just click with you and I love savant before. I even knew what it was like. I just had this thing for it and I like Filipino. Martial arts a lot, but I like what they do to my brain, a like how I feel when I train them and I like what I'm able to. To create with other people when I do them I don't really go around town as much as i. do carry like trainers around with me I. Don't like. Go round like stick fighting people on the regular anything like that, but I really liked doing the drills. People and I have done actual stick fights It's I I would say like those two arts are like a very big part of the core. What I do and. And, they're huge influence on what saga action. Arts has become so that's kind of where it came to a head. It was like wow, these are the ones that I will pay. This is what it comes down to you I will pay thousands of dollars to travel the world, and in these two arts I mean you know it's funny because when we first connected I was like. Wow, he. No, you know. I saw that you knew. The the only thing I know about it, and this is just because I was a comic book fan is. There was a villain. His name was bad truck, the leaper and his fighting style. And then when they used him in Captain America gts played him, which was pretty. Talking about right her, and I was like what the Hell I'm like. That's pretty and you know I didn't think it was going to translate well, because his Co., his Co., the characters comic book costumes. It's very hokey very gimmicky, but they did a good job. Bring a goofy like seventies characters yeah, so yeah. He had like a yellow unitards and the ad like a really curly mustache like Dick bastardly. It was crazy, but that was his fighting style so like to see that brought. That was my exposure to even knowing about that discipline like I was like I, didn't know about that and I remember I learned about. Kali stick fighting I remember I watched the the movie. The perfect weapon with Jeff speak men yeah, and he did the stick fighting I was like Oh. That's pretty cool, and then you know just as a kid you start reading and finding stuff out as you grow up and other kind of awesome, so it's funny as you're. You're breaking down so many of these like my exposure to them was just tied into. Just meet the like we were saying to nerd out about stuff like I knew nothing about the French. French, even having kickboxing style until I was reading comics, I learned that so it's pretty cool that you. You're so proficient in it that you're pretty much almost the second. You said you were second to last right till the last two to being a master of the White, yellow, dover are the last three ranks so in the in the like year and a half to two years I've trained with the United States about federation. I've gone from the first glove, too like the fourth way faster than you're probably supposed to. Like what I all the time on my own right everybody else is like a supplemental thing to their other style. They just they do so because well. It's another thing it ranked, and but for me it's like no. No, no eventually I WANNA be like president of the United States about federation and help make a big thing because the thing about the organization. That I'm in is that the official United States one. One that wraps anybody in the United States. I Want WanNa go and compete internationally with the French International Federation because in France. It's the National Sport and they do treat it like an actual like boxing. It is almost as big as boxing France. It's not as big anywhere else, but it is pretty big and some other countries. It just never took off America. Because American Machiko did not like the the leotards. Here that the reason you you know, you're probably a hundred percent right, but you know what's funny about when you look at other disciplines, especially with the rise of. Over the years, and all the and the way, other arts have been absorbed, and you see some fighters that they that they train in stick fighting, and all these other ones as just an ancillary benefit to their full toolkit, so to hear you talk about it I mean at the end of the day. If that's if that's the reasoning behind the a martial art, not being embraced in this country, it's it's pretty one dimensional. You know, nobody I. If it's because you have to wear a leotard, I mean listen you know. When we were growing up, they used to always joke about making football. Players do ballet to help them be more graceful. It's the come on. I. Mean I could talk for hours about that one art, but it's just It was in the same school valet. It's very French. It's pretty We are more into moist high in America. Where more into we were into hard contact, Karate Benny the jet style. We you know we were all about just kicking the crap out of each other and the version of savant that I like the most is called assault or Is How they pronounce it, and it's basically a Gamertag like it's. It's a point sparring. It's continuous, but you're not really supposed knocked the other personnel. It goes back to what I was saying about being in high school. It's like it's cooperative, and it's not like Jujitsu where you might get choked out or something like that, which is fine if that's what you're into, and you know I've done my own share of it, but it's like I just feel like I'm flying when I do. Do it and you know like the Bachelor? The Lead Guy? It's like I'm jumping around like you know so and I mean just to put like a point on it. You go on Wikipedia and you look up night wing, and they say like two fighting styles or Collie and survive. That's right. It's like man. I wish I could move like that. You know wish I could do a back flip into a big three sixty kick in double stick swinging, and it's all that inspiration. Comes back together. That's why I started the company that I started because I would watch these cartoon characters I would see these video game characters I see these comic book. Characters might be really empowered by them and I'd be like well. I can't do that. It's it's the real world, so you can't be that and I was like that's not true I. Just have to like contextualized I. have to find a way to make it a thing that I am. Do and what you'll know is that if you look up our background, Mine and the DC stunt coalitions we've done like fifteen or so. Stage combat shows at conventions like Oda Khan and Awesome Kong MAG best we've done all these costs play character fight shows, and the audiences loved it, and they've all been really inspired. Inspired we'd have. We'd have rooms of one hundred people on take punches at each other and acting out and being friendly and having a blast at a convention where you usually sit in a chair and watched three people on stage talk to each other hundred percent, I mean I covered a con years ago and they did a Star Wars Lightsaber, demonstration and I'm like all right. You know it's like in the movies, but. But what I didn't know was like there was an entire system of choreography that went into it, and it's almost like that's thought like that like that particular discipline was it's own martial art. Because there there was you know fencing principles in there and different sword fighting principles, and I was just like all right and I when I watched the performance do that. And then they spoke afterwards. I was blown away. I was like. Like all right I. Guess it's not just hey. Let me buy this lightsaber and do some cool stuff. There was actual real world applications in there, which goes back to what you said about Uc some of these characters, performance and video games and movies and stuff like that, and it's not a matter of I can't do it. It's how can I do it? Which is which is awesome that that's your approach for this. And and. It really is. It's like my my goal with the company again. It's called Saga like the implications that it's your story Yup, so I want you just like you were asking me about like? How'd you settle on one martial art? No I. Want you the person that I train to find what you have an affinity for, and then just dive deep in love it and like get something out of it, and then you know the end goal should be well. How do you give something back with you know if you WANNA? Just make it a hobby and keeping your personal thing. That's fine at least. least let it bring you some mental health so that you can like do better and all the other things that you do, but if you are like a performing artist, or you are a martial arts teacher, who are you going to inspire with these skills that you develop? And how are you going to help? them feel like they can actually do things like I know. It's very after school special. It's very only strong or something like that and I get it, but but it's true I mean there's a reason why we gravitate to these stories like rocky and karate kid and you know. Not Necessarily, three? Ninjas brochure. Why not and you know it's It's going that it was going somewhere with that. You really going somewhere with its. I'm. I forget what we're we talking about I I ran through Burn burn burn the PODCAST. Nine all right I mean you know to bring it full circle I mean brain using using this as a way to your disciplines to pay it forward to bring people value. It's actually a good segue into how you got started. Would Saga Action Arts went? What was the idea behind that like? When did you wake up and say you know I? Want to go and I want to use this to to bring people together and teach them not not just for if they want to pursue a career in in stunts, but just in terms of inspiring like you were saying inspiring confidence and bringing people together under an umbrella that many many people just aren't being brought under right so that brings. Brings me like two points I'll try and make the first one really quickly because it kind of goes back to what you were saying about how you saw the lightsaber thing right? Yup, convention, mad respect for the lightsaber guys respect for the Star Wars, groups and everything like as a kid growing up. I could care less about star. Wars I was never a star wars like sure lightsaber was cool. I've done a couple of short star. Wars films with people I Dislike Star Wars actually I'm a terrible apologised for a rise skywalker I just had a lot of fun watching it. That's how much of a Star Wars Fan I am. I loved Risa Skywalker. That's that's my problem, but like One of the things that like to do these fictional combat scenarios, you basically have two options either you need to be performing artists like a stunt, performer or stage combat person. If you're in stunts, your just waiting to get your big break, and if you're in stage combat there's a couple of major organizations that teach eight basic weapons, and you have to do everything this one really specific way that's not informed martial arts. It's informed by. How do we make it safe enough to get into colleges, and then if you WANNA do martial arts, you're either sparring or trying to fight for real, or you're trying to learn self. Self Defense, and then you start building the chip on your shoulder where you're paranoid everywhere you go looking down the alley like going bar like this guy going to hit me. How am I going to hit him? And we've got smashed this afternoon's or whatever it's like depending on what circle run with your either with a bunch of like crazy people that want to start something, or you don't actually want to compete, but you do like sharing energy with people on a physical level. It's hard to find Kinda like that through line that justifies will. Why are you doing martial arts without it being one of those traditional answers? So like for instance with the Star Wars thing. I really liked that idea that they could kind do it. Practically Kinda do it for show Kinda. Do it just for fun and that they kind of float in between those three sort of different layers of it, but the thing for me was. That's like the why has got to be owned by star? Wars like there's all sorts of different media out there. There's comic books. There's Ninjas and video game. There's there's anime. There's like my hero academia. There's like all this amazing content out there where people. People are fighting and Sparring Dragon Mall. I mean I'm sure you grew up with dragon. Ball I grew up with. Dragon Ball Z and everything like that, so you know these characters, aside from the major villain works. They're just they're trying to Sharon experience and learn from each other. It's not necessarily about punching each other's face in his heart is. They can just incidental to the show right So after all those experiences. The main thing like you were saying like did start with me being in stunts, it did start with me going okay well I. I need to get good at this for a career where I can make money and I love stunts and I really am very grateful for the career that I've had, but again at a certain point. It was just like this just feels so much like it's. It's hustling to get a job to make money to be the guy that people come to hire to do a job to make money, and then it just feels like the circle like. When do I start using it to give back and yeah, sure entertainment is a way to give back. Back but felt very indirect, right and I was in the DC Area I was what I referred to. As a non-market and I had the opportunity to find Jim and to get people together through a facebook group and be like Yo. You guys just want to train. Not all of us are going to have careers, but you wanNA put stuff together. Do you? WanNa? Do shows that conventions. Do you WanNa? Make short films if I. Get a project with the client and I need to make a little action scene. Can we put that together? And I did it in for like eight or nine years Iran, the DC stunt coalition down in Rockville Maryland bouncing back and forth between my own professional gigs, breath trying to help other people get their careers started, but at least eighty percent of the people that came in and just want a different way to work out, and just wanted to have fun and WanNa do fake fight scenes and come on video and show their friends or throw it on their instagram like this is awesome. People are engaging with the material. They're not trying to hurt each other they're. They're channelling aggression, but it's non aggressive and they are getting in shape, and they are training self mastery. Mastery skills just like I was doing income Fu. It's just fun, so why can't I build a business out of this? Oh, because the only business out, this is to be a stunt perform, and then I was like there's no way that's true. It's true. I gotTa Find Right now with your. When I invented saga I was like I. Don't want to be like another martial arts school. I don't WANNA train just for self defense I. Don't WanNa just competition and you know I don't WanNA train. Just that everybody balanced and and say I wanted to create something where people as they started training would learn to create for themselves, and for other people well with with. With that said I think one of one of the things that has proven to be interesting, especially now with with cove in nine so many people being inside and locked up. There's there's a lot more creative creativity and a lot more. There are a lot of creative outlets out there in the thing that's got me which I've seen, and I'm sure you've seen it. On different social media platforms as people doing the stunt fight where one person does a hit, the other person reacts, and then it cuts into different into different fights. It's almost like one long fighting like they've done it a lot on take talk and and different platform that and watching that it it. It blew my mind that so many people were just into wanting to do that and it really got me excited for our conversation because I said you see that everybody. When we were kids, we all emulated what we saw whether it was you know fighting from power rangers, or you know something from enter the dragon or five deadly venoms, or any of these different movies, rocky etc, and now you're in your case, you're taking all of that and your packaging it in a way where people can grow from it and be just just better whether it's mentally better physically better or even if they do wanNA, turn it into a career. There's an outlet for that, too. Yeah and I mean I saw the I. Refer to them as punch it forward videos actually Oh, a group of martial artists and edit, and you get done some time this week I gotTa. Make one of those myself. New York, martial artist, but opera did one for stunt women's United Network. She was in one of those I. Never pushed myself to get in on one. Because I was like over the course of the pandemic, I was already making my like eight hours of content a week. I was like I should do this, but for some reason it doesn't click with me but it was cool seeing what everybody else was doing and yeah, you're right. They were just I. Think in some ways it was like just sharing the experience of this w. t.f feeling of like. Why are we locked inside? What's going on? If imagined Ning, punching another person in the face across space and time probably was Arctic. Yeah, it was it was crazy. 'cause I think there was a stage where some of the more you know. Some of them quote unquote. You know well known Hollywood actresses. Did WanNa know is like Scarlett Johansson and a couple of them, and they did that and I was like all right now. You Guys WanNa get in on the fun because there were so many. Active stunt performers doing it then all of a sudden. You know these mainstream actresses did one I was like all right. That's cool, but it wasn't as cool as like the people that were doing some that were just really amazing, and the thing about it was one of the original one was like a group of kids from like a French stage, combat, program or something like it. No one knew who any of these people were. They were just they were one of the first people that do it, and it was really creative, and it got like a million views on facebook, and I was like. Who are you guys? Just went and did it, so you're right. The the stars were like. A man we're being shown up. We'd better be entertaining. Otherwise. Our jobs aren't going to survive to all these random kids on youtube and TIKTOK. Know and you're one hundred percent right sometimes I see. Certain choreographed fight scenes on Youtube. Things like that because I've always been. I've always been a fan of the science of a fight scene Do you know especially after I watch the the raid? When the raid came out here in the states, I was just blown away with the work that they were doing one. Take you know very close combat and I was just like. Wow, this is amazing to see people just recreating that on Youtube. Just on their own was just amazing it, it really is. Amazing how the types of movies are so universal that we get insight into different cultures when we watch these movies and my favorite thing about that is that the movies are made in the country that you know we're getting. A look into like the raid. The Tony John Movies in Thailand. All the Komo movies and like Old, Japanese Samurai movies and everything like that you know maybe in some ways to carry their own stereotypes, but they are at least created by the people who live in those countries and live those lives, so we get a little bit more insight into them and their culture and I mean a a fit to the faces universal. Universal man like we can all at least agree on that like if I punch you in the face, it doesn't matter culture were in. That's going to mean something so It's it's always been really cool to me to wash all these foreign martial arts, films, and just be able to be like man. I wonder what Indonesia's like and like actually got. Got To go to the Philippines a couple of years ago, and like I actually went this last year, and just to see more of the world and be inspired to seaworld. These things come from has been a huge part of the journey in that sense, and yeah, when it comes to the science of it the reason why the ray guys are. Are. So good is because the see lot is huge part of their culture. Yup, and it's not just it's not just a physical combat art like it is, and it's not just a meditative martial art, Kung Fu or something. It's fair. Performing are like ten shock in Pennock, Salat more or less means like the display of it means like the performance of. Bay Tell a lot of their stories through their see lot, and it's incredible. It's their art form. It's their entertainment form. They do it at birthday cards. I WANNA I wanNA talk about the the training aspect with with saga when people walk in, let's say they walk in for the first class and they WANNA. How do you? How do you prepare them for what's for what's coming? Because a lot of people come in and I'm sure you have to. Assess. People's preconceived notions. People automatically want to come in and you know. Put the cart before the Horse I wanna work with sticks and swords. And this and you're like wait, hold on, how do you? How do you approach that with with someone just coming in off the street that wants to to start working with with you and the SAGA team? So there's two approaches. There's either the group lessons or the private lessons, and this is like in the micro version of the company This is like you're you have a training group where you have an instructor and for practical purposes? Let's just say that. when we run classes at the DC stunt coalition, which are obviously now closed for the time being, but we're going to be starring them up again in parks and everything soon you know people come in and just jump in and keep up as best as you can. No expectations about your level of physical fitness. No expectations about how tough you are just if something doesn't feel safe for you, don't. Don't do it if it feels like you're not ready to do it. We can come up with a modifier for you on the fly like the the best way to be able to train people to know modifiers just like in cross good cross it mind. You just like in good cross fit if they can't you know do this prescription exercise. What can we give them that they might be? Be Able to do and then for me. It goes way deeper than that's like. If you feel like, you can't do anything I haven't done my job. My job is to make me like you can do something right because anybody do something. We just have to figure out what that is for you right now. I once had a fourth degree black belt in Taekwondo, coming into the DC stunk coalition and And he had no idea how to do a forward roll on the ground because he had always done, stand up kickboxing taekwondo, and he was terrified of throwing his face towards the ground, and doing a little shoulder roll and I was like man really, and then he ended up killing it in some of our stage combat shows. He ended up being like one of our best quote. Unquote stunt performers. Who ended up having a good independent career, he never went pro like you know. He was really great and it. It doesn't matter what level you're. You're going to be intimidated by something, and it's my job as a coach to help you feel comfortable or to acknowledge that this might not be for you. But what would you like to try and do so? When you have a group class on a social level? It's important to be like. Hey, you like it. Keep Up, and it's also on a social level to not be like so pressuring, because if it's not for them, it's not for them, and that's okay, too. Too like they might have a different hobby. You know if you WANNA run a organization or school or something like that. You'RE GONNA lose as many potential students as you're going to gain, if not more, and that's okay, because you want the people that want what you're, you're offering so like entrepreneurship levels never take it personally now when it comes to the private lessons, it's really like the complete inverse, because when I have a private client, the first I start with is what are you interested in okay? What can I do for you so active service I go like? Do you want to kick boxing you WANNA? WanNa do weapons, do you? WanNa do rolling and tumbling, and then eventually like I show them the other parts of the curriculum. Because then it's like okay, you can roll in tumble, but now that you can roll tumble. Let's put a stick in your hand and have you do a Sitcom, though out of it so that you're rolling tumbling is just that much more cooler because now you're doing it with a weapon or okay. Now you're gonNA roll and tumble. You'RE GONNA. Get up, and you're going through a boxing combo. Because what's the point of rolling and tumbling? If you're not doing something, cool in an out of. Of it and then rifle like start enacting the dots, and it becomes about this overall universal method of movement training, being able to do any action from any action, and it's that flow, so it's all about the starting point with the client. What is your initial interest? And then how do we build him bridge off of that? So you're giving them a gateway drug, and then you're forking that out into other aspects of the curriculum. Because you, you know that once, they kind of once they start. They're not gonNA WANNA. Stop especially when you tie it altogether right right so I mean. Have you ever played like Diablo? Two years ago, but yes. Guilty is right, yes, and like an elder school right up as you as you level up, and then there's different facets that you break out, and then you start leveling those specific specialties that how I view Sagas. Curriculum okay. The client needs to be aware of what they're going to have the opportunity to do and then help guide them to that point, but if there's like secondary or lary skill that they're interested in I help them grow that to on the side, but if like I literally with my first spreadsheet with my clients, I was like all right. This person's an assassin. This person's a sword fighter. This person's the gladiator. This person, the A kickboxer. This person's a Hong, Kong Action Star I was like I was trying to think about the character types that these people want to market and sell themselves that right because it's the same thing in dnd. HIF-. Like what type of move or do you want to be? Absolutely? I want a really bizarrely flippy floppy. French person. Apparently that's my. That's my art, right? That's what I love to do. I operas really great at multi. If she kicked me in the leg I'm GonNa fall over every single time, so she's really into the more. She's OPPA Chai from a history strongest disciple, Kenichi and I just want to jump out of the way and never get hit. Is I'm like not down for getting my leg shattered by the hardcore type person I watched that video of Anderson Silva I was like nope. Nope, ever that was not. That was a very very humbling thing. There was another guy. I believe his name was Corey Taylor. He he was on the ultimate fighter and he had a break that was like that. I think it was in his first pro fight or a second and I was just like Oh. My God I was watching it and it's it's a scary thing, but you know it just goes to show something that you said before. What the human body is truly capable love when when you apply yourself and and I think that's so. So important that you just brought that up and put that into the context and Kinda like just make it really clear we do WANNA push people. Yup, but like our clients need to be pushed at their pace or what pace they wanna go for. I'm not a bootcamp instructor. Unless someone like asks me to do that. In which case I'm like okay, this is going to be gladiator training. Let's go and I just pull out the spartakist handbook of yelling at people. Dr Ray style, but what it really is is that it's I? Think especially in our culture. We look at things like these action movies in these marvel characters and everything like that and we like that separate from reality, but then we get the stunt performer. WHO's the bridge between the two? It's like well. No, but there's a person really doing this stuff. That's right well. I can't even. I can't be that person and it's like like hell you can't. You absolutely can do at least some of this stuff, and you can do it and have fun with it, so don't be afraid to play pretend with a sword. Just know that you're not walking down the street. Challenging people to a digital, the dual three seconds like there's a way to go about it where you can integrate into your life politically and have fun and not have a weird delusional like I'm the guy with forty swords on my will. I literally have forty swords on my wall, so I shouldn't be saying that, but it's like their trainers. Trainers and their set design like you can have fun with that stuff without it being weird or off the reservation, or you know a sign of some sort of underlying mental illness. It's just way to express yourself, and it's a way to grow as a person. Well. I also I also feel that and y. y you you some that are perfectly I think it's one of those things where there's. There's different people that you can look at that are in that are in this community whether it's a martial arts community or in the stunt community, and they're not everybody quote. Unquote looks the same I always tell people. People it's like for every Jackie Chan there was a Samo hung. You know for every Bruce Lee. There was a Bolo Young. If you look at two different spectrums to accomplish performers, just on different levels, look look at Nick, frost, that's right I mean, and into the badlands evolved into and tell me he's not doing some of his own fight word Damn right and look at him in the world's end, absolutely into the badlands away, says overweight lobby guy that was on like Siri television in England, and he's incredible as a physical performer. Yup and hearing. You say that Yup and hearing you say that and and package your. Your Your Business Your your. Your Business your philosophy around that is is refreshing because I think. That's one of the things that so many people get scared of when they want to go into these types of things, whether it's an emmy class or or a karate class or anything in general, it's like Oh, well I! Don't look like everybody else, and it's like the whole purpose is not looking like everybody else and moving differently. I think that's so valuable because I think like everybody's got like if you WanNa talk about physical movement culture. Yeah, there's a baseline. There's something that you can start with, but man I've. Again watching Arrow of always wanted to do pull ups. I've always wanted to be able to do that. Cool Park or stuff for some reason, my shoulders do not support doing up style movement I've been trying I've been training. It doesn't happen, and you know eventually. One day I'll get a little bit better at it, but the most I've ever been able to do like ten really basic straight pull ups, which is great, but I still can't do it. And I've injured my shoulders a few times, but I can still jump around and kick up. They'll do my. You know I can still kickboxing instill swing sticks I might not have that one thing that I really want, but if I really wanted that bad. I get it no matter what, but I still have things that I love and I'm not being lazy because I do. Put the energy into the other thing. I've had people of all types of looks, backgrounds, skill levels come, and not only train with me, but perform with me. I've had people of experience levels. People barely could walk like straight like they have some sort of weird body ship thing. They got too much tension in their bodies and train them and I've had grandmasters. grandmasters in martial arts come and train with me to learn how to perform more to be more goofball or to be able to perform to camera more. Everybody's got something that they can learn. That's coaching is for it's for helping you discover a new thing that you can do with your body with your mind, and you know I go through that process with myself like every day. Like what do I need to do to approach this differently with? We need to do to grow in this way, and it's it really is. It's a shame when people think that physical culture has to be able list or body shaming oriented because. Because, it's not like yes. Results will happen if you work out and you'll look a certain way, but man I'm thirty two years old and I got like chronic dad bought. Okay, like as much as I wanNA look like Stephen the, Mel. It just doesn't happen because I don't have eight hours a day to be in the gym I. Don't have my own personal trainer I don't have my meal plan. Guy I'm an entrepreneur trying to build a business, and it's not just doing a thousand crunches every day. Nope, not art. No, but I got to accept what I looked like when I wanNA look better than I can put more. More time in it, but it's like I know I can move I. Know I can kick box I know I can stick fight i. know can perform and choreograph because I've been on stunts and TV shows and you know if I can do it. I really think anybody can like. That's all there is to it because I have no raw talent like it is all been hard work. The only raw talent that I have is that I'm goofball and I'm willing to like. Be Like over the top with my actions to the point where I have to rein them back in from time to time if I want to perform. Like. I've done in some of my stunt performances. Like okay. You're being too much of our tune character, a little bit more real, okay boss and I switch it up and they're like. Wow, the stunt guy can act unlike Nahimana just. Begging then I will act. That's because that's all I got I'm a Goofy, goofy, goofy Jim carrier, sorta Guy, much performance and it's that kind of confidence that I want other people to have to like not judge themselves to not worried that everybody thinks they look like trash like no, you don't. You're trying something you're just doing something and that's what makes it okay. You know if you have. Have a boss in the stunned industry and they say that didn't look good enough. You gotTA learn how to self correct, but that's also part of the training with this stuff is like Yup train yourself to be able to be back. Train yourself to be able to take direction because that's just you learning how to have more control over your body absolutely and what I actually wanted to ask. Ask especially with everything that's been going on the ability to to have limited face to face interactions. You have pivoted tremendously I. Mean Your your offerings on on social media and video and zoom in everything else have just changed changed your approach, but I also feel that it's allowed you to flex your muscles creatively and I wanted to get into that Just how did you? How did you know? Know that this was the right way to pivot like when this all happened, because I know a lot of entrepreneurs when when things got really bad towards the end of March beginning of April. It was a lot of scrambling for a lot of people. What you know, how did you? How did you prepare yourself for this next chapter? Where you've kind of done more remote learning and remote instruction? Gosh. That's that's really great. Because that touches on so many things I think you and I would totally like jam over. I mean first of all. I would be totally remiss if I didn't say this like you and I connected because I saw you being you like interviewing, doing QNA with Gary Vader Chuck Right Yep. Yeah and I was like. Wow, this guy talking to him and I looked up your business. It was I think it was like nerd. Culture oriented like journalism and podcasting was what you wanted to get into or something like that and you ask Gary About Right Yep. He almo-. He almost killed my business after that interaction strangely enough. He almost accidentally made me kill my own business after that interaction. Oh No, how that happened well. Only because you know you go up there. You have this grandiose thing. You're proud of what you're doing. And then you know this guy comes along anything. Yeah, you know it's all right. It's not good enough. Maybe that's why you're not doing as well as you should. Because it's not as good as it is and I'm like I. Guess That's what it is and. And I. Remember funny that you bring that up I, walked out of there, and I felt like other trash as God. This sucks, you know here's this guy I followed his work and he pretty much says like what you're doing is not good enough, so I remember I walked out of that. Yeah, walked out of there just complete shambles man, and I remember I called my my wife and I was like. Hey, you know this guy, said this and this. This and this I'm like. Maybe this isn't for me anymore. My Dr Been doing this stuff a long time and you know she was like. Hey, you know like like like like that guy. That guy's opinion is something that he put together in thirty minutes of speaking with you. You know so, and you know his. His success has an asterisk which is a separate conversation, but what? What? What can which you know, but what I took from it was that. That I said, you know what I gotTa Start Stop Looking at this as hey, I'm going to get rich off of it or or it's going to be my fulltime job if it is, it is, it's not as it's not if it when it stops being fun, and I stop enjoying it. That's when I pull the plug, and that's an ever since I kind of you know. The switch went on to approach it that way. I've been a lot happier. Well and I think that's kind of like you know not to go completely down like Gary v Rabbit Hole, but that is a big part of his message. First of all all all say straight up to. It's like the dude has a company called empathy wine that right then and there you know that he kind of has a confusing idea of what empathy actually means, so if people like you were walking away from a conversation with him, feeling wrecked its because I think half the time he's present with who he's talking to. And half the time he's like Kinda just doing the Gary v thing exactly I. Get that the not preneurs. I get that I had different experience with him. I went to one of his shoe sales in New York wanted to. To have a chance to meet him, and I stupidly bought a pair of shoes I've never worn, but you know. I got him to sign copy of crushing it, and I said Gary I. Want you to write something that anytime I need to work hard. I'M GONNA. Read it I'm going to be like need to be working harder. I need to be working harder. And when he wrote was work hard from love, and the point was that it was like. Don't work hard because you have to work hard to make the thing happened work hard because you love it and you couldn't be doing anything else. So, this all ties into exactly what you were talking about like when the pandemic happened I'm super proud of my stunt career. I think I've done more work than I. Ever expected to do like I said. At the beginning of this thing. I wasn't popular My grades were okay, but I. was this Weird Kid. I never had like talent as a kid I never had anything that I was really impressed with myself. About and I had like an insane sense of like anytime anybody would. Would tell me something good I'd be like. No, you're lying, right? There's no way was done. It was like it didn't matter whether it was good or not. Half the time the waiver dunk culture was the coordinator. When give you a compliment. They just be like okay. You earned your money today. Don't go home. Okay, Sir thanks, you know and you just you're just accept it well. The numbers don't lie. You look at my imdb more work than I ever thought I could do yup sixty. Two alone. Yeah Yeah, and I mean over half of those are like professional fag after TV shows, and over half of those are repeat hires from coordinators, which means my reputation was solid. And I say was because I don't know when, or if the stunt industry and the film industry is coming back and when it does I. Don't know what my place and that's going to be, but I always felt like after like my second or third stunt job. If this is it, this is it because I loved it, but I wasn't necessarily in love with it. I was in love with something else, and I wasn't sure what that was, but I love the martial arts, and I loved working with people I love. Building communities left training people so. So two years ago I started to make some money on the side because I'll work in stunts that often I get like a Gig a month or something like that, and that's pretty good. That's pretty run the mill. Everybody's got like a side, hustle or a different day job that the gun stunts the career. You just call out of that job when they call you up I. Don't job. It's like well okay. I'll fling pizzas today, but up. My boss called so I gotta go do stunt If you leave, you're fired. Done whatever up. With that kind of career is it's. It's being a mercenary and you show up when they tell you well I. liked that job, but I needed to do something to make money in my free time, and I'm not a computer programmer and I love Video Games but I'm not a streamer and I love video production, but sitting down and editing nonstop wasn't what I wanted to I wanted to be up and I WANNA be physical, so I started Sagas, a coaching and physical training business, and I stuck mostly with actors because through the grapevine. They just kept coming to me. They were like hey. My friend was doing this. I'd like to do it a great okay. Are you comfortable paying me this much money on my chart absolutely. On great I'm going to charge more so in the first year of Saga, just making it like a side, hustle and everything like that. I pulled in over fifteen thousand dollars of only private clients. Wow, yeah, and the first few clients were paying less than less than sixty dollars an hour to train them, so that's how many repeat Klein's absence I had an upper clients that I went a hundred and fifty percent over my initial goal was like if I could make ten thousand dollars this year I'll consider it a success I'll do my best. I won't kill myself a I'll do my best. That's. Out What yeah. That's what Minoan yet. Thank you know I I never thought it could happen and I thank you for Vento for making it easy for people to send me money and be like coaxed into giving you money like. How do you make something like this work? You just go like yes, please pay me and then I'll put on a spreadsheet and wow I didn't know the number would be that big by the end of the and I had A. A lot of people helping me a lot of people supporting me. I was at the point where it was like I was training two or three people a day, four or five days a week house, having a blast, it was exhausting, but I was literally doing fight choreography nonstop with wonderful people almost every single day, and then the pandemic happened, and if I wasn't living with my business partner opera, she moved into this apartment in New York to pursue stunts. After her cool career, start at six flags America herself last year if it wasn't for her living, here had somebody to train with, because we were all terrified of being within six feet of up. And I realized I love doing the so much. I just have to keep doing it, and there was always a plan to do some sort of online curriculum, or maybe some dvd trainings or something like that to send out the people I mean not dvd, but you get what I'm saying No one really makes DVD's anymore. Anyway. We were just like screw it. The world might be ending. Let's go out in style. Let's do a broadcast show where we just teach things that we care about every day for the first forty days. I did forty straight days of shows. Yup, like it was nuts. I don't know how I did it and my roommate's opera, and Brett Heidenreich Brett's my producer, he does all of our video production stuff and he also like my assistant director. He keeps me in line. He would be so mad at me for this podcast, right? Right now because he'd be like you're talking about. Shut up like Oh my God sorry, I'll stop He's one of the hardest working people I've ever met. because he's just very goal oriented and he stuck by us, and he filmed almost every day. HE INABA would trade off on my show I would trade off with him on our show, but he would film. The shows were, and I were both on Camera two or three times a week. We would do skill development sessions where we gave our curriculum out for free. We just said screw it. Here's our curriculum. Here's what we come up with the last two years and it's just like there's like this probably why brought up Gary v? It was like I know it'll be out there for everybody to use, and maybe three people use it, but those three people will find value, and those are the people that I'm going to work with. It won't matter that it's out there because of. Of aim by tries to steal it. They're not going to be able to do anything with the way that I'm going to be able to do something with it anyways, because what I have, it's my passion and not put it out there and now like I said a consultation call with the stage combat student, who she's just getting started. She's going to be moving to Kansas. City I think Oklahoma or Missouri you're. ANYWAYS American geography I'm product of my generation. and she might be our next training group leader because she washed our show, she was just googling stays combat training and found our content and was like. Wow, you guys are so giving, and you're putting stuff out there like we'll. What would this kind of thing be worth to you? On like a financial value level? I'm even stating the number I I'm just like she like when I want something I work I make money, and then I pay for it and I was like wow. Is Refreshing. Yeah, and that's that's what happens when you put it out to the world like that is that the people that will be receptive to? It will come on board because they realized that. What you're doing adds value. So when we had to pit it like that. Yeah, there was a long-term idea that we were going to Put stuff out there for people, but it wasn't supposed to happen until at. At least December of twenty, twenty, one I didn't have a way of training. People in person anymore I was like screw it. I have to keep giving I have to keep giving and we didn't charge a dime. We've barely we. We did start a Patriot on. We just ask Yo. You want to send us some money. Send US some them. Only this one kid from Florida sent me a hundred dollars and. And I was like Dude I. Don't know who you are. Let's get on Messenger and like. Let's get. Let's get a facetime or zoom going. Let's talk and now he's going to be one of our potential training group coaches, and he might even come crash up here in new. York wants it safe and like trained with me for a straight week to get a certification under me because he put skin in. In the game because he saw there was value and I want him to be able to take some back and give it back and pay it forward because that's the whole purpose of this up. It's all about paying it forward. I think something that you said was great about value in the sense of yes, sure thousand people could give you a dollar, but you'd rather have twenty people. Give you fifty dollars. I mean I'll take a thousand people giving me a dollar if they're just watching the conwright, but yeah like it. It costs a lot of money to do this stuff. Because martial arts is kind of money racket in some ways, and it is in some ways, it's multilevel marketing sort of thing like you train people to give them a certification so that they can train people to give them a certification, but it's like it's like the empowering multi level marketing thing. It's like actually. I was talking. Talking about that with Brian. Stoops because he's also like one of my business advisors, you know dude got a doctorate in education. He's made of teaching martial arts schools out his garage. He's like, and that's all on the side of being an administrator for public education like he's. He's legitimately really good at this stuff. And he studied all the same marketing stuff that I have in the sense, and you know talking with him about the other day and it was like it's more tangible than like. been like a life insurance multilevel marketing. It's more tangible than with that one where you sell like the magazine with the stuff and the people by the thing I don't remember what. I know what you're talking. I think I. think that well. Yeah, what? You're what you're looking at in and I can kind of summarize it is you're looking at it from the perspective of that you're giving people something of value that can be imparted to more people to give them more value right right and that that was just the thing it was like I knew I knew. Knew. There was probably going to be a ceiling to where I'd get a stunt performer. Because to be honest, it's it's either. You're one of the most talented BMX writers in the world, and they hire you for every BMX job, or you're one of the most dumb most talented martial arts that can do a bunch of backflips. It can't do a backflip. Or You dad was a stunt guy or your brothers, a stunt guy I see, and that's it that's that's the only way you make like one hundred thousand dollars a year off of it so I was like there's going to be a ceiling to this, and it's not about the money, but it's about like what am I ever going to be able to do with it? So while I was training in all these martial arts to get good at martial arts for the sake of my son career. I was like I really like doing this and learning from other people. I bet that I can help. Other people learn from me and then also help them learn from other people because. Because my training will prepare them to go train with others. Yep, talk about paying it forward. That's a textbook example of that. Right there I I'd rather die. Knowing I made very little money, but like influenced a couple dozen lives, maybe then like have a ton of money and never made those connections like I'm not saying that you can't live the other way and be happy if your goal is to make money. That's awesome like you know. I, hope you do something with it for other people, but if if that is what fulfills you, that's great, but for me it's just like I have to see value in my own life and to do that. I got to share whatever I. I Cam with other people and I'm I'm as flawed as anybody else. Maybe even a little bit more so in some ways, but the the through line has been since young adulthood into my early thirties I ended up coming back to this I always end up coming back to the martial arts and the physical training and building communities, and being creative and telling stories and being about heroes, and that's what this is about is like it's a home base for anybody and I might be projecting, but for anybody that just really wants to take these kind of indulgent power fantasy ideas, but actually do them in a practical way that makes them feel genuinely empowered I. mean that's a that's A. A hell of a way to bring it to bring it home I. Think I think that this approach and how you are and how you're doing it and the fact that you're being of service and bringing value is admirable, especially, because like you said there's there's so many ways that people can get into this business that are quote, unquote the right way, but there's also ways that people can get into this business, and it's the wrong way and I think that by you gift wrapping it so to speak as a lifestyle, and then letting them those skills and apply them as they wish is just the I. Think I think it's the it's not only admirable, but it's the right way. Yeah and I mean building. The business was just as much a response to trauma. Is anything else because I did try and get really high up in somebody else's martial art organization, not going to say who basically I ended up giving a lot of money to one guy who was toxic and abusive and exploitation and nothing like really terribly happened to me on an actual physical level, but I saw things happen to other people and I saw how his entire business was based around self interest and he. He didn't actually see any of the people in his organization for who they were. He just saw them as little mini hymns that he could just raised to be like his boys or girls to like do his thing. And Bill, Cobra, Kai and it was like Bro. This stuff out dated what is wrong with you and that's the things that there are still certain sex martial arts culture that in this country still try and play that like seafood. Guru sorta like I'm going to be your life, leaders. Like I'm I'm never gonNA professionally. Go by seafood or Guru, and it's not because I don't value those things I just it's it's not for me I'm GonNa go by coach because it's like. How do I help you? Be The best you? It's not about how do I. Make you in the me it's. How do I help you? Be The best to you and that's. That's where I think this is all capable of going, and you know yes. Yes emulate other people that excite you, but it's because they excite you. Don't try and turn yourself into somebody else. Don't disassociate. Be Your Best Self, and that doesn't mean you have to have washboard ABS. That doesn't mean you have to be able to do a million pull ups. That just means you have to do something at the end of the day. You go like yeah, okay. I did something that was cool and you go to bed happy. That's it. I I. Think I think that's a great way to to bring it to bring it full circle. I did want to close out with. One thing and I think that, but before we get into the next part of the interview. I think it's something that's very very important, and that's the fact that you're never. You're never letting circumstances. Dictate your next move like right now. The you know, the pandemic happened and yeah. You could have sat there and set all man. My businesses isn't going to. It's going to tank. I'M NOT GONNA make any money, but you adapted, and I think that that's the biggest part of our entire conversation. Is that instead of letting the adversity? Weigh you down and all these different facets of your life. You adapted around them and you ended up using that that adapt to move. Move forward and create these other amazing and new opportunities which I think is one of the biggest things I've taken from our conversation. Thus far is that you know adapation is key especially when you're doing it in a way that like you said you're not expecting anything in return. You're doing it for the right reasons now man. Thank you for saying that like I haven't I haven't really ever heard it exactly that way before. Like people have told me that I'm like I'm good at hustling and stuff like that but I think what you're saying is. It's like it's incredibly hard to just flat out. Stop me out cold when it comes to this NOPE! Not and if like saying, Gary basically shot you in the heart, absolutely and you got up and you kept doing it and here. We are like two years later finally like talking you know, and it's like it's because you kept going for it. No matter what like I'm sure you had to have your own tibbets. I'm sure you've had to have your own change of plan, but man. If the mission stays the same, you'll accomplish anything. Yeah, I mean to to your point. Cova Cova took my my job of nineteen years like here. I am unemployed. Unemployed since since May I. You know an every day you wake up and you're like all right. What am I going to try to do in this and that and you know when you're applying for jobs and everything else but New York City shut down and you know you just you just adapted you pivot as best as you can and see where the road takes you. Yeah and I mean that that all came from like. I think it just all goes back to being like man I was in high school and I didn't know what to do with my time 'cause I didn't fit in with everybody else's thing, but I still had occupy myself in some way up, so eventually became martial arts, and then it was like when it came to the film industry was like well I'm in Maryland and I don't have any money. What can I do I guess I can just work on all these craigslist films until I find something. Great all right well. I want to do but I don't have a connection. Well I guess I'll just. Just build my own stunt organizations. WILL SOMEBODY KNOWS HIS BE? And then they noticed you, will you? You flunk out your stunt career on your second Gig because you were really green. What are you GonNa? Do I'm GonNa take all the money. I just made my career and I'm GONNA go around the world training, holy crap going around the world training a lot of fun. Maybe I should figure out why this is fun, and then try and share it with other people go, and then opening there you go, and then boom world. Shut down. There's no way to go around training with other people now. I had like five martial arts. Trips planned this year alone. The Oregon, to California to Florida that I was GonNa go with Dr. Brian stoops and those shutdown. Yep, so it's like great. He's just gotTA. Bring it to everybody else, and that's what I'm going to be doing now. We've got our little studio in the basement. It's somebody wants to come over sprayed themselves with some disinfectant and get on facebook. Live or zoom or something all record. You I'll put you out. There I'll give you the tech support with my media production background, and we'll share with people because nothing can hold. Hold you back? If you're passionate, you'll find at least the bare minimum to do that satisfies you, and if you feel like you need to take it further, you're GONNA go further because it. Just it just gives to you to the point where you're overflowing, and you start giving it back now with regards to that and and you know you were talking about your production background all these videos that you're doing. You're filming this. All with regular run of the mill store bought equipment. You know the murless cameras you know. Consumer consumer grade gambles and your phone and everything else right. The nearly one hundred hours of content that we've put on Youtube in the last three or four months is made with the phone that I'm talking to you through. That's that's impressive. If the Samsung Galaxy S. ten I got it because it's a little bit smaller than the really big one. I wanted to be able to pull it out of my pocket while I was. was onset without being too cumbersome because you gotta check your phone while you're on set, and I've never been an iphone guy so I just I never got one. I got a droid and I'm I'm so impressed by technology on facebook live I can broadcast seven twenty p live streaming with a little bit of a delay, and then once you're done filming it the video. Video comes back to your phone at seven twenty, p. it's not the highest quality ever, but it works, and if you get a couple likes, it looks great, and if you clean up your set, and you do a little bit a set design, and you get a couple of sound blankets, the audio's fine. You get one of these tiny little microphones from being h for like. Like forty dollars boom. You've got a studio in your house and no one. No one is going to judge you for the quality of it as long as across the board. It doesn't suck, so make sure your audience not peaking like crazy all the time, so find a way to get stabilized makes your. Your video is constantly freaking out with exposure issues or focus issues and. And just keep it consistent and keep getting better at it as you go are set in our structure. It's a ten episodes before we knew what we were doing to a science, and then once we had it down. We just we still kept improving it, but we were like okay. Get Up, put together. Go Film. Go Film Go. Anybody can make a TV show anybody can. Can Do Wayne's world in their basement now with -nology we have, and if you've got a story to tell, or if you've got a skill to give out there spending an hour a week sharing it with other people because you know what it's fun, it just is, and there's no reason not to, and you know if you don't want to do it. That's fine, too, but. But man, the accessibility of the technology I still haven't even tapped into zoom. Everybody else has, but I just don't. I'm not as big of a fan of the camera quality because I know what streaming requires in where it has to chug down the bit rate quality, a little bit more than just single camera facebook live, but man watching Brian stoops do this virtual FEMA trainer. Trainer things we can seeing fourteen people test in five hours of three levels of curriculum, all together on the same screen is is fantastic, and he got to look super good when he came in on Saturday, because we got zoom him on his laptop, and with the second backup angle with my camera on a tripod, so that everybody had like a big full body studio shot. In? A well lit room with solid audio and acoustics, and you had you had a great five hour training session, and it costs less than three grand, I'm sure it costs a bunch list three. Yeah, I mean there's so many things I. I. It's funny. You mentioned I actually learned this week about a way that you can actually stream from your desktop to instagram live now. Oh, my Gosh Yup! I'll send you. I'll send you the details after after we wraps, but. Yeah, that'll give you something to do so many opportunities to go into different platforms and do the stuff. I stick with facebook because the functionality, but start with one platform. Yup, like start with one and learn how to cultivate that, and then if you feel like bridging into another one person to another one I. Agree necessarily again with Gary V's like Oh. You have to learn all eight platforms. That's if you're trying to make like a couple hundred thousand dollar, a year business, selling peanut butter, or whatever it is that he's talking about. If you have a small business, stick with one platform to start with get. Get pretty good at it and build a loyal fan base there. Yup, because that's going to help, empower you to do it on the next platform rather than spreading yourself too thin from the get go there. You go well the second part of our interview. We like to call it the hot seat. Just a series of rapid fire questions discussing different things, so we're GONNA. Jump around and have a couple of different ones that we're going to go into. Some stuff will be based on. Your interests will be based on your work all right cool. I'll try and keep these answers to sing yeah, so. Obviously when you turn on, your Samsung S. ten in the morning What are three mobile APPS? You can't live without. Sadly the FACEBOOK APP and I say sadly but. Here's a way to stay communicated with people Certainly in the last three months has been really important to Kinda. Like just see what Zeitgeist the time kind of is. So you know it's been a huge part of my communication with people and I do like building the business Youtube Youtube because I I've got Google play I've got like Google whatever premium I bought the Google music APP which basically ghouls version of spotify right that like three years ago for ten dollars a month you get unlimited downloads, and at the time they were also giving you free youtube. What was called red at the time now I think it's just youtube premium and you get unlimited youtube you can download. Download to your phone. If you're on Wifi and you WANNA watch later without eating up data. Oh, that's just keep. It is like it's like my bookshelf like I've got I've got an audio book version. Of Miyamoto Musashi Book. Five rings on my phone for free through Youtube that I can just pick up and listen to whenever for ten dollars a month so I I've watched like for instance three hundred hours of Gary V's content. The first year that I discovered him because I had unlimited access youtube, and the best thing about the free APP is that you can turn your screen off and just use it as an audio device like. I I know people that I've I haven't listened to an ad on Youtube in like two years. Unless I log into somebody else's account. I'm like why are you not paying for this team? You're paying thing ever eight to ten dollars a month for love gone. Nice and then the third APP, it would really just be primarily those two because I go back and forth from motivational videos and meditation videos, Gotcha and business video than learning and everything and facebook, but you know obviously I need whatever camera. I really like in shot I! Like in shot a lot for my video editing platform. I've been trying to find like a video. Video editing tool for the joy of phone. Obviously, if you've got an iphone, there's something really good the video editing. APPS that Samsung or will have a power director was good for a while I liked our Roy. Manning different social media platforms in my opinion might be better soon in a shot. Just is is fun to use I just really like how versatile it is. Is, and how it format stuff for instagram before youtube or facebook, really easily ice, I like What's it called Adobe Premiere? Rush has gotten a little bit better. I wanted to try that out I. didn't see how it. I couldn't figure out how it works. So if you're saying it's gotten better I definitely want to try it. I absolutely do love Photoshop Express. Oh Yeah Photoshop. Photoshop Express is fantastic is so stupidly powerful lake I. Edit a lot of my photo content just on my phone using that APP like I'll use photoshop obviously if I got to do a deep dive, and like do some hardcore like cutting pasting layering, but man just to do Pella Correction vignette ing a little bit of highlight here, My instagram's pretty much runs from my photoshop. Express APP. It's like so frigging useful. It's amazing what you can do on a phone nowadays. Nice, what's one website? You recommend to people often. I'm one of those weird guys. It's barely on websites anymore. Man Like I just stick social media platforms. No, no, but I mean that's a good question. I don't know I don't know. What sites anymore like unless it's somebody's business that I know. I used to be about this one film lead cycle dark horizons That was a good film journalism website. Related like. Yeah yeah with. Garth or Garrett's? There's something a guy from Australia. That I talk to occasionally No, no, I just barely use websites anymore, and that might be my problem. Maybe I need to get back on more websites. I don't know what's your favorite piece of tech besides your phone your computer. Let's see still like my car a lot, but not give like a serious answer so my rig for video production is a Sony Alpha sixty, five hundred murless Ds I. Guess It's kind of like a DSL. I know listen DSL are kind of different things, but it's one of those cameras I. Use it for all my main video production outside of using my phone. And what does that I really like? Is that out of the box? You Get one hundred and twenty frames per second at ten eighty p. It's at a decent bit rate. It looks really good I actually pull still images from a lot when we're doing. because if we're doing a workshop or something like that, instead of filming four K. which I know I'm never going to really use or instead of trying to take photo after photo after photo, we just record the workshop in one twenty p. and we get really great. Yeah, they're a little bit low Rez, but they're going to social media platforms, most likely anyway Yup get really great. Build out of that from every angle, and because it's one twenty p. there's no blur and when you're doing action, the hardest thing to get out is the blur so I can go frame by frame by frame and find the perfect frame of any workshop that we teach from one hundred twenty p video that. That is a Kodak that's compressed enough that it doesn't take up a good Jillian gigabytes on my hard drive. The other thing that does all the boxes that does do a four K which is pretty good, but it's kind of a battery eater, but my favorite thing is that this camera is lightweight enough that I can put on my ego. Rage S Kimball so they're like another one of those kimball companies. They're competitive with like Zun and stuff like that. I think they're out of the Pacific. Northwest, it was a five hundred dollar piece of equipment. It's a single handlebar gamble and Oh my God lake. You put this camera that has optical stabilization built in on board and has obstacle. Optical stabilization built into the Lens has the fastest at the time at least found over things come out since the fastest autofocus of any DSL, our camera that was out at the time, and you put the autofocus Lens on. You can record anything with one hand. That's your other hand on the buffet table in just feed your fricken face while record and one hundred twenty P in full. Full autofocus with decent low light with an absolutely silky smooth digital image that just looks competitive with like I mean there's there's definitely higher level cameras, but man like this rigged I put together has been so useful for everything I do including scenes including documentary including promotional video It's an you can train other people to use it pretty quick, and that's also very ages nice. I know you mentioned. the book of five rings. Was that the last book you read and if it wasn't? What was the last book you read, I am so bad at reading. I will tell you a last book that I was working on so and I was listening to book a fibrous I have read version of it before, but this one was married by some guy, so it sounded really cool. anyways. I've been reading the fighters heart by I. Think it Sam Sheridan He's another guy, but he he never I. Don't think he ever competed in UFC but he worked. Worked for like men's fitness or men's journal or something like that as a writer, and he traveled to Thailand Thai boxing, and like the part of the book that I'm in right now. He's traveled to Brazil to do some Brazilian Jujitsu and he traveled to like mid. West United States to train with a military in his gym and like he trained with all these guys, and he's just a very insightful right or that. It's like it's it's great book about why we do some of the things that we do even when they hurt, but the guy is not trying to be a professional fighter he's. He's just trying to explore who these people are that decide to do it and I guess that's where the title of the book comes from and it's. It's a lot of fun nonfiction I. Don't read a lot of nonfiction, but I'm really digging this one all right, and and then I will say though that the last book that I more or less finished I think I've got some last chapter, and then picked up something else because I was lazy was called not the life. It seems which is as an unofficial biography of the band. My Chemical Romance but it's by a guy that had. Had like interviewed them a dozen times Karang or something like that, so he pulls a lot of the stories from his own interviews and everything, so it's pretty official and man. Their story is a band like they're my favorite band. That's like my favorite music. Hands Down is like their four albums is like it's just so inspiring to hear about a bunch of like weird kids that got together and made everybody feel inspired through like dark themes, but this sense of like not being alone, so the book is really good, and even just the chapter on how they wrote. Lack parade in haunted mansion is amazing. Now you know we talked about all these different items, but the thing. Everybody always has a blast of this question. What was the something you purchase? Recently? That was less than one hundred dollars that made your life either easier or more enjoyable. That's a good one Everybody was. It could be anything so no, no, no, no fine That's that's great so I have a Microsoft surface pro tablet, which is I have the most recent one. When they stopped numbering them. They just started calling them surface pros right I got it like you and a half years ago before I went to the Philippines bat is not the piece of technology I'm talking about. I literally went to a Walgreens the other day and saw that they had on the store shelf. This stupid little stand up desk table Stanford Laptops Oh yeah, yeah? Yeah, and I mean you think it's like like I'm looking at the boxes called like airspace or something like that is clearly in their made the as seen on TV section, and it's like all right. It's a little, dinky, little lightweight. It's not like a two hundred dollar piece of equipment, but it's like we've been trying to record all these shows and everything every single time I try and set up this laptop because the major thing with the the surface pro is that? Yes, it does have this really cool tilt chicks stand, but there's no way to lean forward yup because it's not. Not a laptop screen where it's like reinforced where you can like tilted down, you can only really tilt it back. Otherwise they'll just clap shut like a clam like buying this thing and being able to set up like frigging tablet, which is why I prefer to do all like my my zoom conversations and my my recording, if I gotta go on a screen like that instead of my phone, it was just super, practical and super useful, and it was like know like thirty five forty bucks, and it just always remember that like if you're out there and you're using a computer. Setup that somewhat Ergonomic, like whether that's like a standing desk or just something where you can get up and move around every once in a while because man lake. Even I am such A. Such a a culprit of this doing video editing I'll sit there like playing. There for like five hours not moving and it's like Oh. This is not good for you know. Impromptu standing desk instead of using like a bunch of books in boxes. That's the short answer there you go. You know we talk. We talked about some tack I to talk about some toys. I know that we had a the you know especially with your profession. You have a lot of cool toys Tell me a little bit about your favorite ones. When it comes to professional quote, Unquote Toys you talking like? Stuff like that. Maybe Yeah Yeah, fill for instance Just Kinda got like I, Dunno sponsored or something, I'm still getting used to influence or culture, but we got a lot of free training. Weapons from a company called s our tactical. We have been sure to do our own little background. Check on them to make sure everything's kosher in this very trying time where we're looking at tactical people and we're wondering how far down the political spectrum. They might be going in decrease down. And it seems like this is a pretty legit business I mean they're from? Texas, but I'M NOT GONNA. Hold that against them. Actually, Texas a fair amount, really great training gear. Affordable prices again I'm not gonNA say Auburn I. Order stuff off Amazon all the time, so they do have a store on Amazon that. You can order through It's safe. It's fun They got training knives that got training sticks. They just built two different baton. Some of it based off. Off of my feedback, expanding stuff, batons that you can train with if you want to. That are now plastic and our stage safe polypropylene machetes and training gun. If you're into that kind of stuff is not into that kind of stuff more power to you, but like if you need solid props to train with or if you. You need a gear. We're really enjoying what they put together and then it's like you know. Obviously you can go with cold stealing stuff like that, but sometimes the products are little limiting It just depends on what you WANNA find. one of my favorite stores to go to has been in Philadelphia Pennsylvania I hope that they're still online, but. But that's a Asian world of martial arts, basically the the Willy Wonka's chocolate factory of martial arts gear. If you go there, you can find any sort of training weapon, any sort of uniform any sort of gear for martial arts training. It's right outside of Philly, and they also have a huge online store which I'm sure is still going and. I definitely recommend them. They've been really helpful. Give a huge deal when I first started my business and I bought like a hundred extremist dicks to give to my clients. gave me like a sixty percent discount though they were really helpful. What was your favorite toy or collectible when you were a kid? I was really spoiled up until age ten like my parents bought me like a lot of teenage Ninja Turtle Toys. They bought me like a lot of transformers toys Transformers that transformed I got the weird action figure ones that were Gi Joe toys like you remember though yeah I do actually those actually have a diesel resale value and oddly enough. Hasbro's actually rereleasing a line similar to that where they don't transform their all action figures. Yeah, it's great that they have a retail value because I like snapped. Kid horribly like I dude. I've been playing hard with storytelling was a kid man? My my action figures would go at it. So and I had two younger brothers so there are no Russillo valuable toys in my house. Unfortunately I've thought about man I'd have to clean them all up, but had all that kid out of the late eighties, so I had an editorial ahead transformers I had some power rangers. had a little bit of NERF I love to all of it I can't really think about like what was my absolute favorite really liked the terminator two toys that came out. I thought those were really cool. Actually had of those they were They had like the. The EXOSKELETON Ukwa by then they had one that the looked like Schwarzenegger in the arm was melted off. Yeah I got that one, and you could actually like put on different attachments for for whatever reason to actually have it in the toy box. I found recently holy crap. That's awesome I should put a photo on facebook later. We have a few laughs about. God they used to call the t eight hundred exoskeleton, or the Endo Skeleton, or whatever they used to call it the Turbo Punch Yup. That's right. That's not what the thing was called, but good on you for selling it the children I okay, okay, now I know now I know you're refreshing my gosh man. You're taking me back I was big into aliens and Predator as people are into Star Trek and Star Wars Yep I know what a yacht is like that much of a nerd. I've read a dozen Predator novels from like my twenties into my thirties, like even though they're kind of like trash and everything like that, but I mean they're not bad. They're really good I have always been a fan of the aliens franchise. My mom actually let me watch Terminator Two and aliens when I was five years old. Nice, so that should explain everything. We've just been talking about for the last two hours like. My Mom. Let me watch some of that stuff too, so yeah, I'm right there with you I. I saw the one thousand nine hundred nine Batman. Movie theaters, and I was born in nineteen eighty seven. Now there you go, so that's that's all. My mom like I owe all of this to her like. I'm crazy about this stuff. Because I was imprinted with it at a very young age whether that was psychologically damaging. Not I'm not going to say, but clearly I've tried to put to good use of the aliens toys and the Predator toys like goes were like like the Ninja Turtles Refine when I was five, but I think that a VP toys were like my thing from like six to eight or nine. That was just like a huge fan of like how creative they got with that University of the toys. Because you know, the movies is like well, there's a Predator and there's an alien. With the toys they were like well. There's a hundred queen and there's like a Rhino Alien, and there's this Hunter Predator. The Stocker Predator the like. Oh Man. This is so cool like all these different variations were really freaking cool, and they weren't. McFarland either we're all Hasbro, but they were really frigging the. They were ahead of their time I. Have I have a few of them, and it was crazy, too, because those were they the thing about it was I was reading the Alien Predator novels when I was a kid, too, and I remember the one wear. The girl helped the predators, and she joined their tribe, and became the first Human Predator Hunter and. I remember when the movie finally got made and I was like. Oh, they're going to adapt the book. And they didn't and I was so bummed. Oh Dude I. I'm right there with you and like my like. I, think my like sixteen year. Old Brain thought the movie the first time I saw. It was really good, but that was like I knew I was just telling myself. It was good. I wanted to find Paul. W Anderson just punch him in the face like my goal for getting into the film industry with like to punch him for making that ATP movie and like. Like, not doing right because you write the novelization of alien vs Predator I think the first books called Pray Yup that was written by Stephen Stephanie Perry Stephanie Perry who's also known as SD Perry I've actually friend her on facebook and I wrote her a message being like dude. You wrote the book that was so cool. You wrote that way and she wrote a bunch of Resident Evil novelization and she's just a really fun writer. Yeah so getting to just reach out to her on facebook and be like you wrote my childhood was. That that book with the character machiko. Negoti right dude I know that cover to cover and like I actually make other people read that book like I'll throw a copy of them. I'll be like look if you WANNA. Know what this is supposed to be business. How often be? It's such a cool story and I think the original comic. The predators didn't have any dialogue like they didn't. I was dots and dashes. Of the what it was dots and dashes like a lot of their dialogue. Yeah, it was all just but in the book because you can't do that. In a book Yep, they actually came up with their own language, and they came up with their own personalities, and everything was like. This is a really cool like sci fi monster culture, like it really does expanded, and it's from their perspective, so you get the human perspectives, you get the Predator, perspective you get like eight different perspectives throughout the book and like you. You don't really get alien perspective, but that's fine, but it's like man of someone made the actual movie version of this. This would be so cruel and lasting. Say about that. Is that someone actually start making CGI version of it a fan CGI film of it and ADP. Planet or eighty galaxy was like advertising it like saying it was coming out and then right before the Fox one happened Fox killed. It said no, you can't make this. We're making our own movie and I was like Oh okay. Movie came out. I was like God. It Yup it was it was. I feel so let down, and then they did the second one with the with the Predator Alien Hybrid, and I was like all right, just just stop. Just, just hang up. I appreciate a requiem, because at least the aliens or scary in the. Like a mean mother, because it's like, Yup they looked like overweight pro wrestlers in a VP one now absolutely, they didn't look like predators and they had like for can fight scene where they were throwing each other around, and it's like that they're supposed to be based Samurai man. It's true well, the yeah, so that that my big thing. The universe was like that's my. That's my home. Is that universe? That's pretty dope. The the last question rob hotseat. Obviously being in the industry, what is your favorite fight scene of all time? Damn Dude. I wish I had like a quick go to answer for that I wish I had a quick to answer for all your questions. Because your podcast they're going to be cut to. Pieces are going to be four hours long. I have a couple that are my absolute favorites one of them. That always comes and I. Think it's just the one that always pops out is there's this final fight in this Korean film called the man from Nowhere Yup. Lovie you've seen that one. Yup, so truth be told I've seen the actual movie one and a half times. I've watched that final fight like maybe a hundred times like I've I've written like little facebook post essays about just how much I love and adore that final fight it's not an action, heavy movie now four or five fights in the higher film, but that final. Final final throwdown between him and the gangsters and the assassin is so poetic. The musical score is the best music I've ever heard to a fight scene ever and the amount of character that goes into that moment from his switch moment when the macguffin in the scene is like destroyed. I'M GONNA. Call them and I want do spoiler force, but it's going end. End when the BAGAI shines on and tries to torment the good guy, and then when the guy has switched moment, you just see all of a sudden, it's a fight scene where our hero like okay Batman scares bag is no, no, no, the punisher scares bag is no, no, no, no this this Korean character makes everybody in the room, absolutely terrified of him in his. His quest for revenge and it's like it's so beautiful in the sense that you know that this character is so hurt and so damaged is going to make these people pay for it, and I'm not a huge revenge porn sorta guy, but it's so real and so well done, and it's one of the only times in a fight scene where shaky cam worries effective. Because the shaky cam conveys the perspective of people watching this guy being absolutely terrified of how he's moving, and they're not able to keep up with them, and they're just like a worse crude. Oh, we're! We're dead. This guy we. We should not have pushed him so that's definitely one of my top one, and then the only other one that I'll say today is kind of. Of Keep it a little bit short. Yup is and this is weird, because I'm not saying Jackie Chan jet, Li I do think there's amazing fight scenes from all those guys I love the final fight and way of the Dragon with Bruce, Lee and Chuck Norris Lake One of my other favorite final fights stuff that I pull inspiration from what I try and make fight scenes is. The fight between Mad Max and Furioso idea and the bride and knocks in fury road where they first meet, and everything is a weapon. Every characters involved and every shot tells the story, and it's quick cut. Yup, put all. Senator Franken waited and it's just like every moment. Something interesting happened, and the physicality is fantastic and again the music is incredible, and the performances are just. It's like holy crap, everything just. Just went to Hell and these characters are literally fighting every single second. One of them could die, and that is so different from a martial arts movie fight where like people are throwing punches at each other a hundred times over, and it's like well. There's risk but not yet. Yup, every beating fight is like so ten like he's pulling out shotgun. She's pulling out a fire hose. He's in a mass like. I I love and I think it's one of the best teams to come out last twenty years. I've you know it was funny. Just a I did want to add one thing I enjoyed about the man from nowhere is I was a big Fan of the movie. The professional so yeah yeah yeah. Yeah so I love a lot of that inspiration that was in that movie that because I. Just enjoyed the cinematography of that movie, and how well it was done, and the man from nowhere definitely did that, so it's actually I was really blown away. You pick that that's that's such an underrated flick Fran and especially in its aged twelve to. Know it really has like it's still completely watchable. Back and watch the whole thing again I just I do remember loving the story when I watched it. I just I haven't had the time to sit down and watch it all over again since. It does pull from Leon, and then it's also like hey, for everybody that the movie taken go watch. This is the Korean version of taken. The GRAVITAS is so much higher, the Pfizer, so much better I don't dislike the fight and take I. Think they're fine for what they are, but like and I love. Liam Neeson's I. Love Me Some Liam Neeson's. But like this this this guy is so good in this movie and It's definitely one of the. It's such A. It's such an archetype. When you think of things like the last of us and bioshock infinite in every other video game how there's like some big strong older guy, taking care of a young woman hundred percent. Like, you're saying like Leon which if you watch the full director's cut of the professional, you're like okay. This is starting to go into creepy projection territory. Could could not freak me out here and tell me about your underage girl. Power fantasy like I actually like the theatrical cut better because while I do appreciate those teams for the performances I. Do see why the audience would react negatively to. WAYPOINT. Basan could have gone with but I love. I. Cry at the end of the professional man I love that movie but the man from nowhere from what I remember is just. It doesn't have that part to it. It's very genuine relationship because this guy is just likely on. He's Kinda on the fringe. He just wants to protect this girl and then someone screws with him, and they make the wrong choice by. By doing it and the ending killed you 'cause you don't know which way it's going to go there. You go so good. It's so good the the the last part of our interview I like to call reach one teach one just to give our listeners something actionable that they can work on on the way out for you, especially with such a diverse career I'm just going to keep it very simple. For, someone, that's a starting a whether. They're starting out in the in the stunt industry starting out as a martial artist. What's one piece of actionable advice? You give a person that's just starting out. As really great, because I was asked that question earlier by by this student that I'm trying to consult with She's moving to Kansas City. I don't like I said I don't know. Missouri or I thought it was Oklahoma. anyways, She hasn't done a lot of martial arts before and I was like well. What's your physical background? And she was like? Why did tennis and Basketball Volleyball and like great? You're you're already so far ahead because you have any physical background so like step number one is like. Don't be intimidated by it. when it's actionable, it's like with actionable is yes realize it's going to be different. Yes, realize it's going to be something. You might not be used to, but don't let anybody scare you off because if they're trying to scare you off, don't be a part of that school like. Seriously, don't if they're trying to play like the business the deadly art blah, Blah Blah. I don't think you can handle it good. Don't handle it. Leave because screw. Those people the number one thing that has to change about martial arts, culture and Brian and I are actually GonNa start a podcast about the soon is. You've got to get rid of the toxicity in it. It it's just it's not functional in this day and age. It's actually bad. It puts a bad name on martial arts. Put a band name on a personal development it. Just it hurts because it doesn't actually make martial arts last more people will give up martial arts than they'll continue because of the toxic culture and the people that will continue, it will get brainwashed We're going to start a podcast called like the ethical martial artists podcasts. So what I'm saying is really with actionable is when you go looking for it. Take your free trial class. You can always find a free trial, class or something like that, and if you jam with the instructor great if you don't and you find them a little, weird or a little, discouraging or a little creepy, because it's another, it's another position you know historically has dudes, power positions and. And I'm saying this a lot for like women I. Guess, but it's it's for men to or anybody of any gender, or whatever like whatever you are it. It's a toxic place where people want to feel like they're in power, and they're gonNA. Try and hold that over your head with either belt systems, or the magic pill, or something like this, or how can you kill three guys with a spoon, and it's like no whole Brazilian Jujitsu is the only. Only martial art. You'll ever need well I WANNA learn a little bit of it, but I disagree with you can get out on my school. Okay like your most actionable thing is being able to say no, and keep until you find the people that you like, even if it's a martial art that makes no dang sense if it's if it's Steven, seagal style, Aikido and it's like absolute, I'm not saying. HITO IS BS Alaba does amazing, but if if it's. It's a school where it's like. Maybe it's not the most practical martial art on the planet, or if it's come through and all you're doing forms. You're not sparring like I, did when I first started. You're enjoying it and it's not hurting you. Who Am I to tell you that it's bad like so that I know that's not necessarily actionable, but you have to have a mindset before you go looking for martial arts. That's what I would say is actionable. Up Your mind, set your goals and know what you're willing to deal with and what you're not willing to deal with, because you do not want five years down the road to realize man I was being brainwashed by that guy. That's the absolute thing. I don't want for anybody and You will get so much value out of what you seek out. If you do it with a clear and confident Ed, and you don't let somebody else. Get inside your head and try and screw with you because it's it's. It's abusive, and you'll make the world a better place by being present and what you're doing. Doing and not letting it change you in a way that you didn't want it to help I. think that's that's actionable as you can get, and it also helps establish a mindset to go in there so I appreciate you sharing that with our audience and also WanNa. Make It really clear like you asked me that question and my first answer wasn't will sign up for saga. Like. I thought about that like one minute in me giving you like a ten minute answer. Like I didn't promote myself because I don't care if you sign up with me, I mean I'll. I'll be really happy if you do but man, it's a very personal very personal journey. You have to enjoy it as much as you possibly can so do that. Set yourself up for success, because if it's not going to be a career, it's going to be a hobby. It's going to be a hobby. Spend your money in time doing something that you love. Make sense to me well with that said, and this is usually how we close things out work and people find you and keep up with what you're doing. Thanks There is a SAGA ACTION DOT COM. It's not a website right now. It's a link to an instagram account. Because that's how I built my business, I started with instagram eventually made facebook platform, which you can also find basically Google Saga Action Arts. You'll find our youtube channel which we got over one hundred subscribers, so it was able to change that to youtubecom backslash Saga Action Arts Facebook.com look for the saga action, or it's page. There's probably hyphen there and on instagram is like at underscores. The at Saga underscores action just type in the URL. I'll put the links for it in the show notes. Yeah I'm not really active on twitter with saga, but there is a saga account, and just can't remember my password for it. Somebody help me but and then yeah, if you find me dylan hence, you can message me on any social media platform You know my phone number out there? If you really WANNA reach out, but really just send me a g mail saga acts gmail.com and be. Be Like Yo. I want to train or Yo- working I find other training, or you know Hey I saw this movie. What are you thinking? Probably? Engage with you a little bit but I really WanNa push people to our youtube channel because we have nearly one hundred hours of Free Training Content Upload on Youtube. Channel includes workouts warning routine of season one, which was thirty seven thirty six episode long. Long which is just every day you watch my psychosis through the pandemic as I try and do these mobility and body awareness exercises, and we have a whole community involved in those videos and we've got all of our curriculum. The skill development sessions and we've even got action arts classes where you can watch us on the fly. Develop fight, choreography live to camera so please just go and. And check that out because we we just WANNA. Give it all away and inspire other people to do whatever they feel like doing. inspire people to inspire other people. Now you go well. Dylan I, thank you for taking the time to share the toys and tech of your trade well, thank you very much rich and a day strong, and that hero you WanNa be and thank you for having me. Man What an awesome conversation with Dylan hints from Saga Action Arts we probably could have spoke for another hour or two, and even after we wrap up the interview Dylan I agreed that a second interview is a must. Because there's so many things that we didn't even get to explore not only that, but there was just so much stuff that we can nerd out about whether it's action films, fights martial arts, etc, there's there's so much stuff and I. Feel. That probably do on another two hour episode. Just on that stuff alone, so definitely be on the lookout for that. Maybe when things open up, we'll. And do some stuff on location. We'll see what happens. Speaking of Saga Action Arts. We're going to include links for everything related to Saga Action Arts in the show notes for this episode as well as links to some of the stuff that Dylan and I discussed as always some of those things, maybe affiliate links, which if you click or receive a small commission, which of course goes towards helping us give you guys better content whether it's on the site on our podcasts or on our youtube channel, so feel free to use those links as you wish, every little bit helps and. And of course, if you want to keep up with us, you can find us on social media at rage works pretty much everywhere and links for all of our different social media accounts will be in the show notes for this episode as always. Thank you guys for checking out toys and tech of the trade and we'll see you in two weeks with a brand new episode and Man. We have some awesome guests. Take us through the summer. So can't wait to share it with you folks. Thanks for checking US out. We really really appreciate it. That's it I'm Outta here, peace. Off. Aw. Aw! A. Toys and tackle. The trade is part of the range works podcast network your source for rants about Gaming Entertainment, and the works visit us and rage works network DOT com.

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Toys & Tech of the Trade-Episode 33 | Dylan Hintz - SAGA Action Arts

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Toys & Tech of the Trade-Episode 33 | Dylan Hintz - SAGA Action Arts

"What's going on folks? Thanks for hitting that download button and checking out a new episode of Toys and Tech of the trade, your one stop shop for toys, tack and talk with some Assembly required. I'm your host rich. And if this is your first time checking out an episode first of all welcome second a bit about what we do here. Toys and tech of the trade is an interview series where we sit down with content creators. Creators entrepreneurs and just awesome folks that are on our radar, and discussed the gadgets, the gear and the tech that they use to run their businesses create their content and overall. Be More productive when it comes to toys. We go well beyond action. Figures Funchal pops the usual stuff and talk about some of the other stuff that people consider their toys whether it's collecting swords or working on cars or going as deep as collecting kitchen knives. Knives, you'd be surprised what people consider their toys. And we embrace that definition here beyond just the action figures and the usual stuff. Now before we get to this week's guess, I did want to get a little bit of housekeeping out of the way first off I'd like to really extend my thanks to all of our listeners across the range works network, checking out all of our shows with Cova nineteen and so many people sitting. Sitting at home, a lot of people aren't enjoying our shows on their commute, and we are keeping them entertained while they work from home or watch their kids or just walk around the park or walk around the neighborhood to keep themselves fit and occupied, and I'm glad that my voice and the voice of all of our other hosts can keep you guys sane entertained, and maybe bring a smile to your face during these crazy crazy times. As someone who's been sitting home with my family for the last three months it's definitely been an interesting and humbling experience one obviously, because I need to keep myself busy number two, you know I have small children in my house. immuno-compromised people in my house, so there's always something that is on my mind especially with what's been going on, you know making sure. Sure that there's masks love everything sanitized being the only one for the last three months. Making Grocery runs Cetera just to keep my family safe. It's been It's been crazy. It's been crazy for myself and many of us I know a lot of our hosts are doing the same thing or even more so summer, essential workers and we're just making do. I really really appreciate, not only are dedicated team of hosts on the rage works network, but all of you guys, the listeners that are allowing us to beam into your homes, your cars, and right into your eardrums on a weekly basis for some of us and on a biweekly basis when it comes to toys and tech of the trade. We really couldn't do what we do without you guys. The listeners and we truly truly appreciate each and every one of you and I wanted to put that out there before getting to anything else. Else because with everything that's been going on. It's very easy to lose sight of what brought us here to the dance, so to speak, and that would be you guys the listeners that tune in every week and consume our content. Many of you reach out whether it's through email social media, etc. Let us know what you like. What you don't like for those that are taking the time to radar shows on I tunes, etc, right reviews. We really really appreciate that as well I know. A lot of people were very very. Very excited about our father's Day gift guide. It was something. I kind of did spur of the moment, but we definitely want to try and do more of those. I am debating doing a back to school gift guide, which is GonNa be interesting, because back to school is not gonNA. Probably be as the the usual back to school that we have been used to over the last few years especially, if we are not fully out of the woods yet with covid nineteen, but that's something that's definitely on. The horizon were probably going to. To be doing something like that towards the end of August, or maybe in the beginning of August will see how our guest lineup goes for the for the next two months. I think with everything going on the gift guides are a nice way for us to share a lot of things that we usually don't touch on in some of our other shows and our guests. Obviously they come from different walks of life. They have different tools and tech that they use, but sometimes there's other things that are out there that people may WanNa. WanNa look for that. We just don't discuss so I think the gift guides are definitely going to be something. They're going to stay around. I know some people like more of the written stuff that we do on the rage worksite. We're still GONNA. Keep doing that, too, but I like doing the The audio gift guys just because it let's me share more of the personal opinion side of things when it comes to product recommendations and I think that just helps when it comes to endorsing or not endorsing a product I think that hearing. Hearing directly from somebody versus reading it sometimes allows you to hear a bit more of that emotional investment so as long as you guys. Keep asking for them and consuming them. We'll definitely keep doing the gift guides all right the last bit of housekeeping. We have some great guests. There might be an extra show in the month of July, just because of some guests that have some time constraints, so you may be seeing an extra episode versus the two that we usually do in a month. There might be a third in there. We'll. We'll see what happens, but as always keep it locked to rage works for all of that stuff, the other thing I did Wanna mention is that rage works has a youtube channel I know that some people like to check out the shows on Youtube, and it's definitely growing, but you know we're still not there. We want to try and hit a thousand subs by the end of the year, so by all means, if you are consuming our podcasts via youtube, and you haven't subscribed yet, definitely hit us up. Rage works dot net. Net Slash Youtube is a nice easy way to show your support and stay up to date with all the stuff we're doing. We're going to do more product reviews and more stuff on the youtube channel now that there is a little bit more free time in my schedule, so you're going to see some toy reviews from tech stuff. All the usual stuff that we cover on the range works brand will be on the youtube channel so that any further ado. We're GONNA. Turn it over to this week's guest actor stuntman martial artist Dylan. Let's turn it over to him and learn about the toys and tech of his trade! My guest. This week has probably one of the coolest careers at of all the guests we've talked to in quite some time. Imagine Waking Up and instead of punching a clock your punching someone in the face. You're jumping through glass. You are dodging bullets. Your working with swords than prop guns and different things. My guest this week is entrepreneur, stunt, coordinator and actor. Dylan Hints Dylan. Thanks for taking time to sit down with US and chop it up on this episode. Thank you for having Me Rich You know this is a long time coming for us. It's good to finally. Get it done right, yeah! I've been. I've been following your your work. Since we connected and just seeing so much of the stuff that you you work on your into especially as someone who was into martial arts, growing up is a huge action. Movie buff loves ANIME LOVES VIDEO Games I, saw a lot of commonalities so I was really really excited when we got to schedule this and you know you have an extensive background in martial arts. You know survived which not too many people I know that martial art you. Know Collie stick fighting kung-fu Taichi. You have a great background that really amplifies a lot of your other work, and I want to start there and get into your origin story like what drew you to martial arts? When did you start training, etc? I started training. I mean this is funny. It's like out of all the martial arts that I do cool how you just listed all them. It's like the the only ones I haven't really done at least full time for a little while like taekwondo and karate and it's. It's like I haven't done those too like most popular martial arts. I've done little bit them here and there but but I did start with karate when I was about seven years old. My parents took me to somebody the basement. Dodo school it was in the suburbs of Maryland and went. Went and trained for a few months, and then I cried during my first built test, because they gave another kid their belt before they gave me my belt after passing, and I thought I wasn't going to get it, and I was a very emotional little kid, and my parents talk to the teacher, and the teacher was getting frustrating with me frustrated with me. The my parents were getting. My parents pulled me off karate when I was a kid because I wasn't disciplined. Really just wrap your head around. The I'm trying to because you studied for the test. I'm trying I'm trying to actually piece that together. Because you study for tests, you were going to get the the belt and yet you weren't disciplined enough, but you went through everything to get the belt in the first place. Yeah, I mean I. Think I was probably like to be clear like. I was probably a pain in the ass as a kid like I I've always been very emotional and I think that's part of what I'm going to tie your my answer to your question into is like. The first martial art that got into when I was a young adult when I was seventeen was Taichi income. Fu and I did that completely of my own volition, because I had a couple of friends at school. who were like the the WanNa be fight club kids. Hung out during lunch and one of the stairwells, and like occasionally beat each other up. It wasn't really that serious, but it was just like the attitude of it s the world sort of attitude, Yep, and and so, but for whatever reason we all knew this one other guy who was like in his mid twenties, who was an instructor in Long Fist Kung Fu and an old version of Tai Chi. His teacher and his name was Food Dijon weeks. Hundi was the title he was given the because their lineage. All the titles are in Swahili under a guy. named in Ganga Moving de la. WHO's really was Raymond Cooper? anyways the point. Is that I went there and when the teacher asks me like? Why do you want to do this? I like gave you know half ass baked Kinda like I'm a teenager. I WANNA be more spiritual I didn't even know that means at the time. I was just saying it because I was like I don't know. I wanted to feel connected something in a one to have a better opportunity to have insight and control over myself, and those emotions and everything that was talking about so I started with a very traditional system and you know we. We were uniforms. And we said yes. Sir and we did our push ups and again it was in somebody's garage. It wasn't an a big parking. Lot Dojo or anything like that and you know. We stood there, and we held meditation positions for an hour like that was part of our training. Wasn't we barely ever actually sparred so I learned all this really great physical control and motor. Control and movement from the Kung. Fu, and everything, but I also learned a lot about how self discipline is something that I had ownership of that I was in charge. Charge of it the first lesson he ever gave me. He just told me. Here's a move I want you to do. You'RE GONNA stand out on my back porch. Do it until I come back and gave me one touchy move. He put me on the Portugal and seventeen years old. He left and I did that move for forty five minutes until he came back over and over, and over again I was like wow, I just made myself do that so That's like the little seed of martial arts. Journey is because once. I figured out there was all. All this cool stuff I could do. I just didn't WanNA, stop it. I think that's one of the craziest things I remember. When I was when I was a kid. It's it's funny that you use what you were saying about. Being a pain in the ASS. When you were a kid, my mom I remember she put me in karate class. I went to a karate Dojo. We lived in the Bronx at the time and I remembered they had us like sparring, and I was just starting out I. Remember this kid. Drop me on my head and I probably. I probably got hurt I. don't even remember all I know. Is that it just? It just didn't work? And then she pulled me out of there. Put me in another karate school and you know I picked up a lot of stuff, but it wasn't until I got older much like much like what you were saying that you know you bump into like the kid. Does cop away at the kid. That does Moi tie the kid? Does and then you just. Kinda want to mess around and do that stuff, and that's what ended up happening, so it's interesting because my mom put me in that stuff for the same reason like Oh you know your. Your kid needs structure. He's you know he's a little too hyperactive and that it did absolutely nothing. When I was a kid, so so I. It's funny. Hearing that from you, especially because your journey into the martial arts, even though you started so young didn't become a disciplined journey till you are much older, and even still when we're sixteen seventeen, we're still kind of undisciplined, but to find that discipline on your own is very very incredible. Man, much respect for you well, thank you and I mean it's like this would be a whole other podcasts. into it now, but like as a teenager I had my own issues. I mean I. had my own mental health issues I was a child of divorce family. I was very much bullied I. Didn't get along with people in high school, and it wasn't until I really got with that group of like really weird people that just wanted like act out martial arts movies all the time I really felt like I was Kinda jamming with people in some way like I wasn't into the same music as everybody else, I wasn't into Whatever the thing at the time was that everybody was into. I was partially in theater. I didn't survive. Survive very long in there. Because of again kind of these emotional issues but I I just really realized that there was something to getting in a fight with another person, but not in a mean way that could be done and be social and You know. That was just a big part of how I made friends for that last year of high school, and then when I went to college, it kind of took a back seat a little bit, but it was always kind of air and eventually I did get more into arts, and again in filmmaking and everything, but there was always this undercurrent. That man I really WanNa. Do this physical play fighting at the very least with people like I wanNA swing swords. I WANNA kick box, or you know eventually when I found like Filipino martial arts I wanNA swing sticks at each other i. I don't know, there was something about being social and physical, also I was just never into sports and never really could play basketball. I was terrible at it and you know I liked baseball but I eventually. Just kind of want to do I, didn't want team sports, weird, individual single people. Things were kind of where I was more at, so it just kind of kept staying. There is like a consistent theme throughout my adult life, and now here I am doing it professionally. It's funny because we are. We are my friend. We were on the same wavelength. Pretty much my entire life growing up didn't have team. Sports didn't like team sports. Always gravitated towards singular things for that exact reason. I think that part of the reason why that is. Sometimes, it's because. I I feel that when you internalize what you're into, it just helps you become more proficient at it like what you were saying about your out there practicing Tai Chi and doing the same move for forty five minutes. At that moment you're you're internalizing it and you're probably looking at it like I. Have the master of this one move. It's almost you against yourself. Yeah no I mean it is. It's like that quote from the movie fearless, or at least the tagline. It's like if you master yourself, you'll be fearless if you master others, you're strong or whatever I kinda even though I've been in leadership positions I've always known like my own worst enemy is neat like it doesn't matter what anybody else says about me if I can't put myself on that horse and do the same move for forty five minutes I'm. GonNa have a problem and I'm I'm still not like the master of self-discipline here, but if somebody that has an entrepreneurial career, and it's been completely freelance the fact that I've never gone completely broke or the fact that you know I was able to move up to New York and get my own apartment and everything with Kinda like you know, it's not sad story, but it wasn't. It wasn't easy for me to have the confidence to do these things and I. Really do attribute my martial arts Jeremy to being a huge part of that and then the extension. Extension, the martial arts journey and I'm sure we'll get into this later, but like. Is the stunt stuff because to me? It was like another expression of that discipline. It's it really does come down to also just like you were saying like. What do you feel that you gravitate towards and pay attention to one captures your interest because I think for at least for me. I think it's funny. You and I both agree that like team. Sports weren't thing what's one of the things that happen team sports. You sit back and you wait. Like baseball? I was terrible. If they put me in the Outfield, I was digging up dirt like I just wasn't paying attention the rest of the game, but like if you're the ring with somebody, you're paying attention the whole time and isn't that like I've done like a ton of ring fighting, but everything are trained for is like staying wear saying present you know staying on happier yourself and maybe there are people in the sports balls in the teen. Teen Games that do that. I just know it didn't work for me. Manson those guys are outliers and it's funny. You say that, because if you look at like Michael Jordan or these guys at the end of the day, they were so singularly focused on being the best that they made everybody around them better, but it was always them against everybody else in the recent Michael, Jordan documentary really focused on that. Everybody else was. Kinda just playing with Jordan. He wasn't he wasn't playing with them. They were playing with him and it was just him against everybody else to prove. He was the best athlete and I. think that when it comes to to martial arts, you know George saint-pierre always talked about it. He was like listen I'm a I'm a fighter, but I'm a martial artist. I I always want to prove that I'm better. Martial artists than my opponent. You can be a better fighter any day of the week, but a better martial artists to complete fighter is just not something that everyone is, so. It's funny that you say that because. Because, it's true, there's outliers for that and I actually want to talking to I want to dig a little deeper into how you started bridging. All of this martial arts experience to turn it into a profession like word it word that word that fork in the road come where you said listen I, WanNa make this my fulltime job. I mean that's that's a really great question. Because it, it requires you know to go briefly through requires me to kind of like. Express Kinda like the outline of like the tripping. That kinda happened to get there like how I just kind of fell back into. I actually had one. Yeah, yeah, there's the. There's the stunt joke right there to I had a consultation call with a potential client today and I think she's going to be signing up and helping started training group when my business the Saga Action Arts, which is you know a big part of what I I'll be talking about here with you tonight and everything just because it's like the main thing that I've Kinda like locked myself into with my brand, my endeavor but She was asking like. Did you get into stunts and part of what I express was started by thinking. I was going to be an actor Oh okay, and you and I mean I do have acting experience I do have acting credits. I am in Sag after the screen actors guild. American Federation of Television Radio Whatever. Whatever's after and No, no one knows what after means and that's it, but we also call. Call after now because we're supposed to hyphenate it. I and I've done performance I've been in theater and everything like that without being a stunt performer, but the truth matter is that it goes back to those emotions, and that self-discipline when I was an actor I could give some pretty good performances, but my attitude was that it's really so I was just all I was all about me. and. It wasn't something that I enjoy like I'm on this podcast. I'm talking at you right now, but it's like all I care about by doing this podcast like if something I say ends up being interesting or meaningful to somebody and they it triggers them. It gets them excited triggers them in a good way. When you clear about that I want to trigger anybody in a bad way, please like the hopefully the mental health cw, etcetera, etcetera, but like. I WANNA spread the positivity of like whatever this life things kind of about. How. We can be our best and help others either best like you know. There's this very tagline sort of thing to saga. That's like your own hero. And when I was an actor, I was just trying to be like in the spotlight in the center of attention, and I wasn't really thinking about how important the people around me were, so what happened was I got really lucky. Because one of my first, my first professional acting job was with six flags America was a stunt show so I was being stunt performed but I was. was also acting and again I had my own little issues and everything like that I had to learn to get along with the cast and theater can be really hard, because you're around the same people, the same five or six people for like six or seven months for show like that, and if you're not like captain social, and it's weird for you. It's like that can be really tricky, so you get really interested in job, and you get really interested in like well. How can I be the best that I be at this and you? You know got through that job and I went back into the the local film industry in the DC area and I addition tonight acted and got some lead roles in some films that didn't pay me anything and brain. Much cost me money to drive around the whole area and you know it was just like this is final, but I don't feel like I'm pushing myself the way that I wanna be. I, don't you know I feel like I need to shut up and thinkin focused and work more and I was doing martial arts at the same. Same time and I was like man I. Really just want to change my branding to be like I'm just going to be a stunt guy, so people would offer me acting roles, and I'd be like sure I'll I'll You pretty much gotTa Pay Need to act, but I'll stunts for free for right now while I'm building this career you know I've worked on a couple of TV shows like nightmare next door. All those like murder death worn recreation things that what was informative porn. Yeah, where were they recreate? They always recreate the crime. They have the people yeah? Tire thing silver spring, Maryland the hotspot, or it was for making the recreation really There's only yeah. There was a company. Their Sirens Media Silver Spring was actually female owned and operated You know which was a big deal to them but it was all these scenes of like, and he looked at her and thought I'll kill her. Ha Ha, you know he's like Did he do it? Let's find out after the commercial break. You know I I played everything from like a creepy stalker boyfriend to like a peeping Tom Window anchor. I played a lot of weird role. I. I'm pretty sure I played a white supremacist. had caught him ball in his mouth at some point. but yeah. My whole point is like once I started realizing that stunts was also about taking care of other people. It was about being strong as you can be so that you can help take care of those other people, and yes, it's going to affect the work that you're. GonNa do, but it was much more like. A semi military sort of thing, and it is not at all like the actual military, but like the mentality of everybody around you is your responsibility, and in order to be responsible, you have to be disciplined, and you have to take control of yourself, and you can't have freak outs, and you've got to be engaged and present and aware and safety oriented in terms of your environment I was just I was really thrilled and honored by that because it was like. I felt like I could really help like I could be on Saturday I. I could do something useful. And at the time my job when I wasn't onset was to train, and just get better at that part of it, and so I couldn't really do rock, climbing rigging, or like wire work focused on my martial arts a double down. I was at the point where I was taking four different martial arts classes every week or a couple of years I was taken in Jitsu QC fighting method, Campo, karate, and a sport karate that was also learning to teach kids, and you know I was still doing my. My Own Kung Fu at the time our I. Think our school was closed at that point and I was I was just blowing my mind by taking everything I could and I sucked for the first couple of years because I was just doing so many different types of martial arts wasn't just settling on one, but I was like man I want to get these different perspectives and I wanNA know how I can integrate them all and put them all together, so I can make it useful for what I WANNA. Do with my life. Life and I didn't even know what that was. At the time I just knew that I had to do it well now with with trying to trying to figure that out, especially with with you training in so many different martial arts. At what point did you decide on one particular martial art to hone in on what what was that? What was that wakeup? Call for you when you said you know what I need to focus on this one because this one's GonNa be my bread and butter well, I didn't it never happened really? It would for a time. Okay, like like for awhile while I'd be like Kim. GonNa focus on mostly Filipino martial arts right now, so you know I was in that was already in stunts I was already professional and my first mentor Chuck Jeffrey, who's the choreographer for the first play movie in the First Spiderman Movie? Here's my I, like hardcore stunt mentor It was a professional relationship that lasted for about a year and a half. Give or take and he brought me to work on a movie called black mask was Johnny Depp movie up in Boston and I was doubling Jesse Lemon Um from breaking bad. And methane he said that I looked exactly like him and I was like. That's a compliment, right? I and and I didn't have to really do anything on camera. Because Jesse did all his own fights because he was fantastic but I had to be there for four hardcore weeks of choreography training with Chuck in the stunt team and I was really green. This is only my second professional stunt. job I'd worked multiple episodes on turn washing them spies, but this is only the second coordinator. I'd ever professionally worked with as a SAG after perform, and I was in the deep end of like a thirty million dollar warner brothers, new town I never been to I've never been to Boston. By fire going on, yeah so my point is though is that you know. When I was training with Chuck, we were doing boxing for the most part because that's what it called for with the character, but when we when we met afterwards back in Maryland train in a parking, Columbia of all places He was showing me. Filipino stick fighting with The innocent of the cost of the Braga barely even knew way was talking about at the time, and basically these flow drills. You tap the stick you tap the sticky tap stick you go to all these different angles. And at the time my brain was just like it was on fire. It was melting. It was like. The terminator going into the the frigging hot lead works at the end of the second movie. It was just like. I was I was done. I was like. How do I even keep up with this and then eventually found a school in Maryland Maryland? Jikun Dough with a CJ. Yeager, who I'm still friends with and we still together and work together every once in a while and He taught me how to actually do any taught me the double stick stuff and the movie, not another movie, the show Arrow came out and I ignored. If I slept on Aero for two seasons, and then finally it was on Netflix and like I guess we'll give it a shot fifteen hours later, I'm like. I and I'm like Oh my God I want to be this guy like Oh my God like even a mel is so broken awesome and he is So I focused on the stick fighting and you know focused on the blade, work and everything from Filipino martial arts, and then eventually JV was like. Hey got my gt. No classes on top of that and I was like I. Don't know I mean Bruce Lee's cool and all, but he's like the guy everybody liked and I'm really Kinda. More punk rock like I. Don't like going with what everybody else likes. And then it was like. Yeah, but you know do this. Oh. Yeah, okay, cool. Yeah, that's DOT kick one. Bruce Lee did survive well sort of oh well. I'll come to class then. That's how they got ya. Yeah, because I, always had an affinity for the French kickboxing art of. savant. Say and I have no idea why I just I saw these French. People doing these dancy floaty SORTA kicks was like that's fricking. Cool I really like that, but there were no teachers for it. Never anybody around. That could teach me, so I tried to learn what I could, but you still wasn't really a thing at the time and I wasn't on the martial arts DVD's seen like Arbor was got a collection like two hundred martial arts DVD's is training. Ones not move like training and I I I was like okay cool, and now I'm like working with the United States of art. Like six years later as one of their admin assistant and I'm a white glove, which is the you know, second to last or third last rank in the system and I had to travel Chicago. Multiple Times just to be able to test because there was nowhere else to go. Wow, so long long long as always story short It's always martial arts like if you, if you are like a lifelong martial artists, you might not find. Find like the style that you're in love with, but if you do, it's going to be very apparent to you, it's GonNa, like just click with you and I love savant before I even knew what it was like, I just had this thing for it and I like Filipino martial arts a lot, but I like what they do to my brain, a like how I feel when I train them and I like what I'm able to. To create with other people when I do them, I don't really go around town as much as I do. Carry like trainers around with me. I don't like. Go round like stick fighting people on the regular anything like that, but I really liked doing the drills. People and I have done actual stick fights it's I I would say like those two arts are like a very big part of the core. What I do and they're. They're huge influence on what Saga Action Arts has become so that's kind of where it came to a head. It was like wow, these are the ones that I will pay. This is what it comes down to you. I will pay thousands of dollars to travel the world and trained in these two arts. I mean you know it's funny? Because when we first connected I was like. Wow, he. No, you know. I saw that you knew. The the only thing I know about it, and this is just because I was a comic book fan is. There was a villain. His name was bad truck, the leaper and his fighting style. And then when they used him in Captain America. GTS played him which was pretty. Talking about right her and I was like what the Hell I'm like. That's pretty and you know. I didn't think it was going to translate well, because his Co., his Co., the characters comic book costumes. You know it's very hokey very gimmicky, but they did a good job. Bring a goofy like seventies characters yeah, so yeah. He had like a yellow unitards and the ad like a really curly mustache like Dick bastardly. But, that was his fighting style so like to see that brought. That was my exposure to even knowing about that discipline like I. was like I didn't know about that and I. Remember I learned about. Kali stick fighting I remember I watched the the movie, the perfect weapon with Jeff speak men. Yeah, and he did the stick. Fighting I was like Oh. That's pretty cool, and then you know just as a kid you start reading and finding stuff out as you grow up and other kind of awesome, so it's funny as you're. You're breaking down so many of these like my exposure to them was just tied into just meet like we were saying to nerd out about stuff like i. knew nothing about the French. French even having kickboxing style until I was reading comics I learned that so it's pretty cool that you. You're so proficient in it that you're pretty much almost the second. You said you were second to last right till the last two to being a master of the white. Yellow, dover are the last three ranks so in the in the like year and a half to two years I've trained with the United. States about federation. I've gone from the first glove, too like the fourth way faster than you're probably supposed to. All the time on my own right everybody else is like a supplemental thing to their other style. They just they do survive because well. It's another thing it ranked, and but for me it's like no, no, no eventually I wanna be like president of the United, states about federation and help make a big thing because the thing about the organization that I'm in, is that the official United States one that. That wraps anybody in the United States that WanNa go and compete internationally with the French International Federation because in France. It's the National Sport and they do treat it like an actual like boxing. It is almost as big as boxing France. It's not as big anywhere else, but it is pretty big and some other countries. It just never took off America because American Machiko, did not like the the leotards. Here that the reason you, you know you're probably a hundred percent right, but you know what's funny about when you look at other disciplines, especially with the rise of of anime over the years, and all the and the way, other arts have been absorbed, and you see some fighters that they that they train in stick fighting, and all these other ones as just an ancillary benefit to their full toolkit, so to hear. Hear you talk about it. I mean at the end of the day. If that's if that's the reasoning behind the a martial art, not being embraced in this country, it's it's pretty one dimensional. You know, nobody I. If it's because you have to wear a Leotard I mean listen you know. When we were growing up, they used to always joke about making football. Players do ballet to help them be more graceful. It's the come on. I mean I could talk for hours about that one art, but it's just It was in the same school valet. It's very French. It's pretty We are more into moist high in America. Where more into we were into hard contact Karate Benny the jet style. We you know we were all about just kicking the crap out of each other and the version of savant that I like the most is called assault or Is How they pronounce it and it's basically a Gamertag like it's. Sparring, it's continuous, but you're not really supposed knocked the other personnel. It goes back to what I was saying about being in high school. It's like it's cooperative, and it's not like Jitsu or you might get choked out or something like that, which is fine if that's what you're into, and you know I've done my own share of it, but it's like i. just feel like I'm flying when I do it and you know like the Bachelor, the. The lead per guy. It's like I'm jumping around like you know so and I mean just to put like a point on it. You go on Wikipedia and you look night wing, and they say like two fighting styles or Collie and survive. That's right. It's like man I wish. I could move like that you know. I wish I could do a back. Flip into a big three sixty kick in double stick swinging, and it's all that inspiration. Comes back together. That's why I started the company that I started because I would watch these cartoon characters I would see these video game characters. I see these comic book. Characters might be really empowered by them, and I'd be like well. I can't do that. It's it's the real world, so you can't be that and I was like that's not true I. Just have to like contextualized. I have to find a way to make it a thing that I am do and what you'll know is that if you look up our background, Mine and the DC stunt coalitions we've done like fifteen or so. Stage combat shows at commencement like ODA. Khan and Awesome Kong MAG best we've done all these costs play character fight shows, and the audiences loved it, and they've all been really inspired. Inspired we'd have. We'd have rooms of one hundred people on take punches at each other and acting out and being friendly and having a blast at a convention where you usually sit in a chair and watched three people on stage talk to each other hundred percent I mean I covered a con years ago and they did a Star Wars lightsaber demonstration, and I'm like all right. You know it's like in the movies, but. But what I didn't know was like there was an entire system of choreography that went into it, and it's almost like that's thought like that like that particular discipline was it's own martial art. Because there there was you know fencing principles in there and different sword fighting principles and I was just like all right and I. When I watched the performance do that, and then they spoke afterwards. I was blown away. I was like. Like all right I guess it's not just hey, let me buy this lightsaber and do some cool stuff. There was actual real world applications in there, which goes back to what you said about Uc some of these characters, performance and video games and movies and stuff like that, and it's not a matter of I can't do it. It's how can I do it? Which is which is awesome that that's your approach for this. And and It really is. It's like my my goal with the company again. It's called Saga like the implications that it's your story Yup, so I want you just like you were asking me about like. How'd you settle on one martial art? No I want you. The person that I train to find what you have an affinity for, and then just dive deep in love it and like get something out of it, and then you know the end goal should be well. How do you give something back with you know if you wanted just make it a hobby and keeping your personal thing, that's fine at least let it bring you some mental health. Health so that you can like do better and all the other things that you do, but if you are like a performing artist, or you are a martial arts teacher, who are you going to inspire with these skills that you develop? And how are you going to help? them feel like they can actually do things like I know. It's very after school special. It's very only strong or something like that and I get it, but but it's true. I mean there's a reason why we gravitate to these stories like rocky and karate kid and You know not necessarily three Ninjas brochure. Why not and you know it's It's going that it was going somewhere with that. You really going somewhere with it. I'm. I forget. What were we talking about? Iran! burn burn burn the podcast. Now, it's all right I. mean you know to bring it full circle? I mean brain using using this as a way to. You're disciplines to pay it forward to bring people value. It's actually a good segue into how you got started. Would Saga Action Arts went? What was the idea behind that like? When did you wake up and say you know I? I want to go and I want to use this to to bring people together and teach them not not just for if they want to pursue a career in in stunts, but just in terms of inspiring like you were saying inspiring confidence and bringing people together under an umbrella that many many people just aren't being brought under right so that brings. Brings me like two points I'll try and make the first one really quickly because it kind of goes back to what you were saying about how you saw the lightsaber thing right? Yup, convention, mad respect for the lightsaber guys respect for the Star Wars, groups and everything like as a kid growing up, I could care less about star wars. I was never a star. Wars like sure lightsaber was cool. I've done a couple of short star. Wars films with people I dislike Star Wars actually. I'm a terrible apologised for a rise skywalker. I just had a lot of fun watching it. That's how much of a Star Wars Fan. I am I loved Risa Skywalker. That's that's my problem, but like One of the things that like to do these fictional combat scenarios, you basically have two options either you need to be performing artists like a stunt, performer or stage combat person. If you're in stunts, your just waiting to get your big break, and if you're in stage combat there's a couple of major organizations that teach eight basic weapons, and you have to do everything this one really specific way that's not informed martial arts. It's informed by. How do we make it safe enough to get into colleges, and then if you WANNA do martial arts. You're either sparring or trying to fight for real or you're trying to. To learn self defense, and then you start building on your shoulder where you're paranoid everywhere you go like looking down the alley like going bar like this guy going to hit me. How am I going to hit him and got smashed this afternoon's or whatever it's like depending on what circle run with your either with a bunch of like crazy people that want to start something, or you don't actually want to compete, but you do like sharing energy with people on a physical level. It's hard to find Kinda like that. Through line that justifies will. Why are you doing martial arts without it being when those traditional answers? So like for instance with the Star Wars thing I really liked that idea that they could kind do it practically Kinda. Do It for show Kinda. Do it just for fun. And that they kind of float in between those three sort of different layers of it, but the thing for me was. That's like the why has got to be owned by star. Wars like there's all sorts of different media out there. There's comic books. There's Ninjas and video game. There's there's anime. There's like my hero academia. There's like all this amazing content out there where people. People are fighting and Sparring Dragon Mall I. Mean I'm sure you grew up with Dragon Ball. I grew up with Dragon Ball. Z and everything like that. So you know these characters aside from the major villain works. They're just they're trying to like Sharon experience and learn from each other. It's not necessarily about punching each other's face in his heart is, they can just incidental to the show right So after all those experiences. The main thing like you were saying like did start with me being in stunts, it did start with me going okay well. Well I need to get good at this for a career where I can make money, and I love stunts and I really am very grateful for the career that I've had, but again at a certain point. It was just like this just feels so much like it's. It's hustling to get a job to make money to be the guy that people come to hire to do a job to make money, and then it just feels like the circle like when do I start using it to give back and yeah, sure entertainment is a way to give. Give back, but felt very indirect, right and I was in the DC Area I was what I referred to as a non-market, and I had the opportunity to find Jim and to get people together through a facebook group and be like Yo. You guys just want to train. Not all of us are going to have careers, but you wanNA put stuff together. Do you WanNa? Do shows that conventions. Do you WanNa make short films? If I get a project with the client and I need to make a little action scene. Can we put that together? And I did it in for like eight or nine years Iran the DC stunt coalition down in Rockville Maryland bouncing back and forth between my own professional gigs, breath trying to help other people get their careers started, but at least eighty percent of the people that came in and just want a different way to work out, and just wanted to have fun and WanNa do fake fight scenes and come on video and show their friends or throw it on their instagram like this is awesome. People are engaging with the material. They're not trying to hurt each other they're. They're channelling aggression, but it's non aggressive and they are getting in shape, and they are training mastery. Mastery skills. Just like I was doing income Fu. It's just fun, so why can't I build a business out of this? Oh, because the only business out of this is to be a stunt perform, and then I was like there's no way that's true. It's true I gotTA. Find Right now with your when I invented saga, I was like I. Don't want to be like another martial arts school. I, don't WANNA train just for self defense I don't WanNa just competition, and you know I don't WanNa train just that everybody balanced and east, and say I wanted to create something where people as they started training would learn to create for themselves and for other people. With with that said I think one of one of the things that has proven to be interesting, especially now with with covert nineteen, so many people being inside and locked up. There's there's a lot more creative creativity and a lot more. There are a lot of creative outlets out there in the thing that's got me which I've seen and I'm sure you've seen it on different social media platforms as people doing the stunt fight where one person does a hit, the other person reacts, and then it cuts into different into different fights. It's almost like one long fighting like they've done it a lot on take talk and and different platform that and watching that it it. It blew my mind that so many people were just into wanting to do that and it really got me excited for our conversation. Because I said you see that everybody. When we were kids, we all emulated what we saw whether it was you know fighting from power rangers, or you know something from enter the dragon or five deadly venoms, or any of these different movies, rocky etc, and now you're in your case, you're taking all of that and your packaging it in a way where people can grow from it and be just just better whether it's mentally better physically better or even if they do wanNA, turn it into a career. There's an outlet for that, too. Yeah and I mean I saw the I refer to them as punch it forward videos actually Oh, a group of martial artists and edit, and you get done some time this week. I got make one of those myself. New York. Martial artist, but opera did one for stunt women's United Network. She was in one of those. I never pushed myself to get in on one because I was like over the course of the pandemic, I was already making my like eight hours of content a week. I was like I should do this. For some reason, it doesn't click with me but it was cool seeing what everybody else was doing and yeah, you're right. They were just I think in some ways. It was like just sharing the experience of this w t.f feeling of like. Why are we locked inside? What's going on? If imagined Ning punching another person in the face across space and time probably was Arctic. Yeah, it was it was crazy. 'cause I think there was a stage where some of the more you know, some of them quote unquote. You know well known Hollywood actresses did WANNA know is like Scarlett Johansson and a couple of them, and they did that and I was like all right now. You Guys WanNa get in on the fun because there were so many. Active stunt performers doing it then all of a sudden you know these mainstream actresses did one I was like all right. That's cool, but it wasn't as cool as like the people that were doing some that were just really amazing and the thing about it was one of. No one was like a group of kids from like a French stage, combat, program or something like it. No one knew who any of these people were. They were just they were one of the first people that do it, and it was really creative, and it got like a million views on facebook and I was like. Who are you guys? Just went and did it. So you're right. The the stars were like. A man, we're being shown up. We'd better be entertaining. Otherwise. Our jobs aren't going to survive to all these random kids on youtube and TIKTOK. Know and you're one hundred percent right sometimes I see. Certain choreographed fight scenes on Youtube. Things like that. Because I've always been I've always been a fan of the science of a fight scene Do you know especially after I watch the the raid? When the raid came out here in the states, I was just blown away with the work that they were doing one. Take you know very close combat? And I was just like. Wow, this is amazing to see people just recreating that on Youtube. Just on their own was just amazing it, it really is. Amazing how the types of movies are so universal that we get insight into different cultures when we watch these movies, and my favorite thing about that is that the movies are made in the country that you know we're getting. A look into like the raid. The Tony John Movies in Thailand. All the Komo movies and like Old Japanese Samurai. Movies and everything like that you know maybe in some ways to carry their own stereotypes, but they are at least created by the people who live in those countries and live those lives, so we get a little bit more insight into them, and their culture and I mean a a fit to the faces universal. Universal man like we can all at least agree on that like if I punch you in the face, it doesn't matter culture were in. That's going to mean something so It's it's always been really cool to me to wash all these foreign martial arts, films, and just be able to be like man I. Wonder what Indonesia's like and like actually got. Got To go to the Philippines a couple of years ago and like I actually went this last year, and just to see more of the world and inspired to seaworld. These things come from has been a huge part of the journey in that sense, and yeah, when it comes to the science of it, the reason why the ray guys are. Are? So good is because the see. Lot is huge part of their culture. Yup, and it's not just it's not just a physical combat art like it is, and it's not just a meditative martial art, Kung Fu or something. It's fair. Performing are like ten shock in Pennock Salat more or less means like the display of it means like the performance of. They tell a lot of their stories through their see lot, and it's incredible. It's their art form. It's their entertainment form. They do it at birthday cards I. WanNa i WanNa talk about the the training aspect with with saga. When people walk in, let's say they walk in for the first class and they WANNA. How do you? How do you prepare them for what's for what's coming? Because a lot of people come in and I'm sure you have to. Assess People's preconceived notions, people automatically want to come in and you know. Put the cart before the horse. I WanNa work with sticks and swords. And this and you're like wait, hold on, how do you? How do you approach that with with someone just coming in off the street that wants to to start working with with you and the saga team. So, there's two approaches. There's either the group lessons or the private lessons, and this is like in the micro version of the company This is like you're you have a training group where you have an instructor and for practical purposes? Let's just say that. when we run classes at the DC stunt coalition, which are obviously now closed for the time being, but we're going to be starring them up again in parks and everything soon you know people come in and just jump in and keep up as best as you can. No expectations about your level of physical fitness. No expectations about how tough you are just if something doesn't feel safe for you, don't do it if it feels like you're not ready to do it, we can come up with a modifier for. For you on the fly like the the best way to be able to train people to know modifiers just like in cross good cross it mind. You just like in good cross fit if they can't you know do this prescription exercise. What can we give them that they might be able to do and then for me. It goes way deeper than that's like. If you feel like, you can't do anything I haven't done my job. My job is to make me like you can do something right because. Because, anybody do something. We just have to figure out what that is for you right now i. once had a fourth degree black belt in Taekwondo, coming into the DC stunk coalition and he had no idea. How do a forward roll on the ground? Because he had always done, stand up kickboxing taekwondo, and he was terrified of throwing his face towards the ground, and doing a little shoulder roll, and I was like man really, and then he ended up killing it in some of our stage. Combat shows he ended. Ended up, being like one of our best quote, unquote stunt performers who ended up having a good independent career. He never went pro like you know. He was really great and it. It doesn't matter what level you're. You're going to be intimidated by something, and it's my job as a coach to help you feel comfortable or to acknowledge that this might not be for you. But what would you like to try and do so? When you have a group class on a social level, it's important to be. Be like. Hey, you like it. Keep Up, and it's also on a social level to not be like so pressuring, because if it's not for them, it's not for them, and that's okay too like they might have a different hobby. You know if you WANNA run a organization or school or something like that. You'RE GONNA lose as many potential students as you're going to gain, if not more, and that's okay, because you want the people that want what you're, you're offering so like entrepreneurship levels never take it personally now when it comes to the private lessons, it's really like the complete inverse because when I had a private client. The first I start with is what are you interested in? Okay? What can I do for you so active service I go like? Do you want to kick boxing you WANNA do weapons. Do you WANNA do rolling and tumbling, and then eventually like I. Show them the other parts of the curriculum. Because then it's like okay. You can roll in tumble, but now that you can roll tumble. Tumble. Let's put a stick in your hand and have you do a Sitcom though out of it so that you're rolling tumbling is just that much more cooler because now you're doing it with a weapon or okay. Now you're gonNA, roll and tumble. You'RE GONNA get up and you're going through a boxing combo, because what's the point of rolling and tumbling? If you're not doing something cool in an out of it and then rifle like start enacting the dots, and it becomes about the overall universal method of movement training. Training being able to do any action from any action, and it's that flow, so it's all about the starting point with the client. What is your initial interest? And then how do we build in bridge off of that? So you're giving them a gateway drug, and then you're forking that out into other aspects of the curriculum. Because you, you know that once they kind of once they start. They're not gonna WanNa stop especially when you tie it altogether right right so I mean. Have you ever played like Diablo? The years ago, but yes. You'll treat is right, yes, and like an elder school right up as you as you level up, and then there's different facets that you break out, and then you start leveling those specific specialties that how I view sagas curriculum. Okay. The client needs to be aware of what they're going to have the opportunity to do, and then help guide them to that point, but if there's like secondary or auxiliary skill that they're interested in I, help them grow that to on the side, but if like I literally with my first spreadsheet with my clients, I was like all right. This person's an assassin. This person's a sword fighter. This person's the gladiator. This person, the A kickboxer. This person's a Hong. Kong Action Star I was like trying to think about the character types that these people want to market and sell themselves that right because it's the same thing in dnd. Real life like what type of move or do you want to be absolutely? I want a really bizarrely Lippi floppy French person. Apparently, that's my. That's my art, right? That's what I love to do. I operas really great at multi. If she kicked me in the leg, I'm gonNA fall over every single time, so she's really into the more. She's OPPA Chai from a history strongest disciple. Kenichi and I just want to jump out of the way and never get hit this I'm like not down for getting my leg shattered by the hardcore type. Person I watched that video of Anderson. Silva I was like nope. Nope, ever that was not. That was a very very humbling thing. There was another guy. I believe his name was Corey Taylor. He he was on the ultimate fighter, and he had a break that was like that I think it was in his first pro fight, or a second, and I was just like Oh my God I was watching it, and it's it's a scary thing, but you know it just goes to show something that you said before what the human body is truly capable love when when you apply yourself and and I think that's so important that you just brought that up and put that into the context and Kinda like just make it really clear we do WanNa. Push people. Yup, but like our clients need to be pushed at. At their pace or what pace they WANNA go for. I'm not a bootcamp instructor. Unless someone like asks me to do that. In which case I'm like okay. This is going to be gladiator training. Let's go and I just pull out. The spartakist handbook of yelling at people Dr Style, but what it really is is that it's I, think especially in our culture. We look at things like these action movies in these marvel characters and everything like that and we like that separate from reality, but then we get the stunt performer. WHO's the bridge between the two? It's like well. No, but there's a person really doing this stuff. That's right well I can't even. I can't be that person and it's like like hell you can't. You absolutely can do at least some of this stuff, and you can do it and have fun with it, so don't be afraid to play pretend with a sword. Just know that you're not walking down the street. Challenging people to a digital, the dual three seconds like there's a way to go about it where you can integrate into your life politically and have fun and not have a weird delusional like I'm the guy with forty swords on my will. I literally have forty swords on my wall, so I shouldn't be saying that, but it's like their trainers and. And their set design like you can have fun with that stuff without it being weird or off the reservation or you know a sign of some sort of underlying mental illness. It's just the way to express yourself, and it's a way to grow as a person well. I also I also feel that and y. y you you some that are perfectly I. think it's one of those things where there's there's different people that you can look at that are in that are in this community whether it's a martial arts community or in the stunt community, and they're not everybody quote. Unquote looks the same I always tell people it's. It's like for every Jackie Chan. There was a Samo Hung. You know for every Bruce Lee. There was a Bolo Young. If you look at two different spectrums to accomplished performers, just on different levels, look look at Nick Frost that's right I mean, and into the badlands jumped in two and three, and tell me he's not doing some of his own fight word Damn right and look at him in the world's end absolutely into the badlands me away, says overweight lobby guy that was on like Siri television in England, and he's incredible as a physical performer, Yup, and hearing you say that Yup and hearing you say that and and. And packaged your Your Business Your Your Your Business your philosophy around that is is refreshing because I. think that's one of the things that so many people get scared of when they want to go into these types of things whether it's an emmy class or or a karate class or anything in general, it's like Oh, well I don't look like everybody else, and it's like the whole purposes, not looking like everybody else and moving differently I think that's so valuable because I think like everybody's got like. If you WANNA talk about physical movement culture. Yeah, there's a baseline. There's something that you can start with, but man I've. Again watching Arrow of always wanted to do pull ups. I've always wanted to be able to do that. Cool Park or stuff for some reason, my shoulders do not support doing up style movement I've been trying I've been training. It doesn't happen, and you know eventually one day I'll get a little bit better at it, but the most I've ever been able to do like ten really basic straight pull ups, which is great, but I still can't do it. And I've injured my shoulders a few times, but I can still jump around and kick up. They'll do my. You know I can still kickboxing instill. Swing sticks I might not have that one thing that I really want, but if I really wanted that bad, I get it no matter what, but I still have things that I love and I'm not being lazy. Because I do put the energy into the other thing, I've had people of all types of looks, backgrounds, skill levels come, and not only train with me, but perform with me I've had people of experience levels. People barely could walk like straight like they have some sort of weird body ship. Ship thing. They got too much tension in their bodies, and train them and I've had grandmasters in martial arts. Come and train with me to learn how to perform more to be more goofball or to be able to perform to camera more. Everybody's got something that they can learn. That's coaching is for it's for helping you discover a new thing that you can do with your own body with your mind and you know i. go through that process with myself like every day. Like what do I need to do to approach this differently with we? We need to do to grow in this way, and it's it really is. It's a shame when people think that physical culture has to be able list or body shaming oriented because it's not like yes, results will happen if you work out, and you'll look a certain way, but man. I'm thirty two years old and I got like chronic dad bought. Okay like as much as I. WanNa look like Stephen The mel. It just doesn't happen because I don't have eight hours a day to be in the gym I. Don't have my own personal trainer. Trainer I don't have my meal plan guy. I'm an entrepreneur trying to build a business, and it's not just doing a thousand crunches every day. Nope, not art. No, but I got to accept what I looked like. When I WANNA, look better than I can put more time in it, but it's like I know I can move. I know I can kick box I know I can stick i. know can perform and choreograph because I've been on stunts and TV shows, and you know if I can do it. I really think anybody can like that's. That's all there is to it because I have no raw talent like it is all been hard work. The only raw talent that I have is that I'm goofball and I'm willing to like be like over the top with my actions to the point where I have to rein them back in from time to time. If I want to perform like I've done in some of my stunt performances like okay. You're being too much of our tune character, a little bit more real, okay, boss and I switch it up and they're like. Wow, the. The stunt guy can act unlike Nahimana just I start begging. Then I will act. That's because that's all I. got. I'm a Goofy, goofy, goofy Jim carrier, sorta, Guy, much performance and it's that kind of confidence that I want other people to have to like not judge themselves to not worried that everybody thinks they look like trash like no, you don't. You're trying something you're just doing something and that's what makes it okay. You know. Yeah, if you have a boss in the stunned industry and they say that didn't look good enough you gotta. GotTa learn how to self correct, but that's also part of the training with this stuff is like Yup train yourself to be able to be back. Train yourself to be able to take direction because that's just you learning how to have more control over your body. Absolutely and what I actually wanted to ask especially with everything that's been going on the ability to to have limited face to face interactions. You have pivoted tremendously I mean your your offerings on on social media and video and zoom in everything else have just changed changed your approach, but. But I also feel that it's allowed you to flex your muscles creatively and I wanted to get into that Just how did you? How did you know that this was the right way to pivot like when this all happened? Because I know a lot of entrepreneurs when when things got really bad towards the end of March beginning of April, it was a lot of scrambling for a lot of people. What you know, how did you? How did you prepare yourself for this next chapter? Where you've kind of done more remote learning and remote instruction? Gosh. That's that's really great. Because that touches on so many things, I think you and I would totally like jam over. I mean first of all I would be totally. Remiss if I didn't say this like you and I connected because I saw you. Being you like interviewing, doing QNA Gary Vader. Chuck Right Yep. Yeah and I was like. Wow, this guy talking to him and I looked up your business. It was I think it was like nerd culture oriented like. In podcasting was what you wanted to get into or something like that and you ask Gary about right. Yep, he almo- killed my business after that interaction strangely enough. He almost accidentally made me kill my own business after that interaction. Oh No, how that happened well. Only because you know you go up there. You have this grandiose thing. You're proud of what you're doing. And then you know this guy comes along anything. Yeah, you know it's all right. It's not good enough. Maybe that's why you're not doing as well as you should. Because it's not as good as it is and I'm like I guess that's what it is and. And I. Remember funny that you bring that up. I walked out of there, and I felt like other trash as God this sucks, you know here's this guy. I followed his work and he pretty much says like what you're doing is not good enough so I remember I walked out of that. Yeah, walked out of there just complete shambles man, and I remember I called my my wife and I was like. Hey, you know this guy, said this and this. This and this I'm like. Maybe this isn't for me anymore. My Dr Been doing this stuff a long time and you know she was like. Hey, you know like like like like that guy. That guy's opinion is something that he put together in thirty minutes of speaking with you. You know so, and you know his. His success has an asterisk which is a separate conversation, but what? What? What can which you know, but what I took from it was. Was that I said you know what I gotTa. Stop looking at this. As Hey, I'm going to get rich off of it, or or it's going to be my fulltime job if it is, it is, it's not as it's not if it when it stops being fun and I stop enjoying it. That's when I pull the plug and that's an ever. Since I kind of you know. The switch went on to approach it that way. I've been a lot happier. Well, and I think that's kind of like. You know not to go completely down like Gary V. Rabbit Hole, but that is a big part of his message. First of all all all all say straight up to. It's like the dude has a company called empathy wine that right then and there you know that he kind of has a confusing idea of what empathy actually means, so if people like you were walking away from a conversation with him, feeling wrecked its because I, think half the time he's present with who he's talking to. And half the time he's like. Kinda just doing the Gary v thing exactly I get that as an entrepreneur I get that I had different experience with him. I I went to one of his shoe sales in New York I wanted. Wanted to have a chance to meet him, and I stupidly bought a pair of shoes. I've never worn, but you know. I got him to sign copy of crushing it and I said Gary I. Want you to write something that anytime. I need to work. Hard I'm GonNa read it. I'm going to be like need to be working harder. I need to be working harder. And when he wrote was work hard from love, and the point was that it was like. Don't work hard because you have to work hard to make the thing happened work hard because you love it and you couldn't be doing anything else. So this all ties into exactly what you were talking about like when the pandemic happened. I'm super proud of my stunt career. I think I've done more work than I ever expected to do. Like I, said at the beginning of this thing. I wasn't popular My grades were okay, but I was this weird kid I never had like talent as a kid I never had anything that I was really impressed with myself about and I had like an insane sense of like anytime. Anybody would tell. Tell me something good. I'd be like no, you're lying, right? There's no way was done. It was like it didn't matter whether it was good or not. Half the time the waiver dunk culture was the coordinator. When give you a compliment. They just be like okay. You earned your mind today. Don't go home. Okay, Sir thanks, you know and you just you're just accept it well. The numbers don't lie. You look at my IMDB I've done more work than I ever thought. I could do yup sixty. Alone. Yeah Yeah, and I mean over half of those are like professional fag after TV shows, and over half of those are repeat hires from coordinators, which means my reputation was solid. And I say was because I. Don't know when or if the stunt industry and the film industry is coming back and when it does I don't know what my place and that's going to be, but I always felt like after like my second or third stunt job. If this is it this is it because I loved it, but I wasn't necessarily in love with it. I was in love with something else, and I wasn't sure what that was, but I love the martial arts, and I loved working with people. I love building communities left training people. People so two years ago I started to make some money on the side because I'll work in stunts that often I get like a Gig a month or something like that, and that's pretty good. That's pretty run the mill. Everybody's got like a side, hustle or a different day job that the gun stunts McCreary. You just call out of that job when they call you up, I don't job. It's like well, okay. I'll fling pizzas today, but up. My boss called so I gotta go. Do Stunt If you leave, you're fired. Done whatever up. With that kind of career is it's? It's being a mercenary and you show up when they tell you well I liked that job, but I needed to do something to make money in my free time, and I'm not a computer programmer and I love video, games but I'm not a streamer, and I love video production, but sitting down and editing nonstop. Wasn't what I wanted to I wanted to be up and I WANNA. Be Physical so I started Sagas a coaching and physical training business and I stuck mostly with actors because through the grapevine. They just kept coming to me. They were like hey. My friend was doing this I'd like to do it a great okay. Are you comfortable paying me this much money on my chart absolutely. On Great, I'm going to charge more so in the first year of Saga just making it like a side, hustle and everything like that I pulled in over fifteen thousand dollars of only private clients. Wow, yeah, and the first few clients were paying less than less than sixty dollars an hour to train them. So That's how many repeat Klein's absence like. I had an repeat clients that I went a hundred and fifty percent over my initial goal was like if I could make ten thousand dollars this year, I'll consider it a success. I'll do my best. I won't kill myself. A I'll do my best. That's. Out. What! Yeah, that's what Minoan yet, thank you know I i. never thought it could happen and I. Thank you for Vento for making it easy for people to send me money and be like coaxed into giving you money like. How do you make something like this work? You just go like yes, please pay me and then I'll put on a spreadsheet and wow. I didn't know the number would be that big by the end of the and I had a lot of people helping me a lot of people supporting me I was at the point where it was. was like I was training two or three people a day, four or five days a week house, having a blast, it was exhausting, but I was literally doing fight choreography nonstop with wonderful people almost every single day, and then the pandemic happened, and if I wasn't living with my business partner eyebrows, she moved into this apartment in New, York to pursue stunts also after her cool career start at six flags America herself last year if it wasn't for her living, here had somebody to train with, because we were all terrified of being within six feet of up. And I realized I. Love Doing the so much I just have to keep doing it, and there was always a plan to do some sort of online curriculum, or maybe some dvd trainings or something like that to send out the people I mean not dvd, but you get what I'm saying no one really makes DVD's anymore. Anyway we were just like screw it. The world might be ending. Let's go out in style. Let's do a broadcast show where we just teach things that we care about every day for the first forty days. I did forty straight days of shows. Yup, like it was nuts. I don't know how I did it. And my roommate's opera and Brett Heidenreich Brett's my producer. He does all of our video production stuff and he also like my assistant director. He keeps me in line. He would be so mad at me for this podcast, right? Right now because he'd be like you're talking about. Shut up like Oh my God sorry I'll stop He's one of the hardest working people I've ever met because he's just very goal oriented and he stuck by us, and he filmed almost every day. HE INABA would trade off on my show. I would trade off with him on our show, but he would film the shows wherever and I were both on camera two or three times a week. We would do skill development sessions where we gave our curriculum out for free. We just said screw it. Here's our curriculum. Here's what we come up with the last two years and it's just like there's like this. Probably why brought up Gary v? It was like I know it'll be out there for everybody to use, and maybe three people use it, but those three people will find value, and those are the people that I'm going to work with. It won't matter that it's out there because of aim by tries to steal it. It. They're not going to be able to do anything with the way that I'm going to be able to do something with it. anyways because what I have, it's my passion and not put it out there and now like I said a consultation call with the stage combat student, who she's just getting started. She's going to be moving to Kansas City I think Oklahoma or Missouri or I don't know anyways American geography I'm product of my generation. and she might be our next training group leader because she washed our show, she was just googling stays combat training and found our content and was like. Wow, you guys are so giving, and you're putting stuff out there like we'll. What would this kind of thing be worth to you on like a financial value level I'm even stating the number I. I'm just like she like when I want something I work I. Make Money, and then I pay for it, and I was like wow. Is refreshing to hear yeah, and that's. That's what happens when you put it out to the world like that is that the people that will be receptive to? It will come on board because they realized that. What you're doing adds value. So when we had to pit it like that. Yeah, there was a long-term idea that we were going to Put stuff out there for people, but it wasn't supposed to happen. Happen until at least December of twenty twenty one I didn't have a way of training. People in person anymore. I was like screw it I have to keep giving I have to keep giving and we didn't charge a dime. We've barely we. We did. Start a Patriot on. We just ask Yo. You want to send us some money. Send US some them. Only this one kid from Florida sent me a hundred dollars. Dollars and I was like dude. I don't know who you are. Let's get on Messenger and like. Let's get. Let's get a facetime or zoom going. Let's talk and now he's going to be one of our potential training group coaches, and he might even come crash up here in New York wants it safe and like trained with me for a straight week to get a certification under me because he put skin in. In the game because he saw there was value and I want him to be able to take some back and give it back and pay it forward because that's the whole purpose of this up. It's all about paying it forward. I think something that you said was great about value in the sense of yes, sure thousand people could give you a dollar, but you'd rather have twenty people. Give you fifty dollars. I mean I'll take a thousand people giving me a dollar if they're just watching the conwright, but yeah like it. It costs a lot of money to do this stuff. Because martial arts is kind of money racket in some ways, and it is in some ways, it's multilevel marketing sort of thing like you train people to give them a certification so that they can train people to give them a certification, but it's like it's like the empowering multi level marketing thing. It's like actually I was talking. Talking about that with Brian stoops because he's also like one of my business advisors, you know dude got a doctorate in education. He's made of teaching martial arts schools out his garage. He's like, and that's all on the side of being an administrator for public education like he's. He's legitimately really good at this stuff. And he studied all the same marketing stuff that I have in the sense, and you know talking with him about the other day and it was like it's more tangible than like. been like a life insurance multilevel marketing. It's more tangible than with that one where you sell like the magazine with the stuff and the people by the thing i. don't remember what. I know what you're talking. I think I. think that well. Yeah, what? You're what you're looking at in and I can kind of summarize it is you're looking at it from the perspective of that you're giving people something of value that can be imparted to more people to give them more value right right and that that was just the thing. It was like I knew I knew. Knew there was probably going to be a ceiling to where I'd get a stunt performer. Because to be honest, it's it's either you're one of the most talented BMX writers in the world, and they hire you for every BMX job, or you're one of the most dumb most talented martial arts that can do a bunch of backflips. It can't do a backflip. Or You dad was a stunt guy or your brothers, a stunt guy I see, and that's it that's that's the only way you make like one hundred thousand dollars a year off of it so I was like there's going to be a ceiling to this, and it's not about the money, but it's about like what am I ever going to be able to do with it? So while I was training in all these martial arts to get good at martial arts for the sake of my son career I was like I really like doing this and learning from other people I. Bet that I can help. Other people learn from me and then also help them learn from other people because my. My training will prepare them to go train with others. Yep, talk about paying it forward. That's a textbook example of that right there. I I'd rather die knowing. I made very little money, but like influenced a couple dozen lives, maybe then like have a ton of money, and never made those connections like I'm not saying that you can't live the other way and be happy if your goal is to make money. That's awesome like you know. I hope you do something with it for other people, but if if that is what fulfills you, that's great, but for me. It's just like I have to see value in my own life and to do that. I got to share whatever I cam. Cam with other people and I'm I'm as flawed as anybody else. Maybe even a little bit more so in some ways, but the the through line has been since young adulthood into my early thirties I ended up coming back to this I always end up coming back to the martial arts and the physical training and building communities, and being creative and telling stories and being about heroes, and that's what this is about is like it's a home base for anybody, and I might be projecting, but for anybody that just really wants to take these kind of indulgent power fantasy ideas, but actually do them in a practical way that makes them feel genuinely empowered i. mean that's a that's a hell. Hell of a way to bring it to bring it home. I think I think that this approach and how you are, and how you're doing it and the fact that you're being of service and bringing value is admirable, especially, because like you said there's there's so many ways that people can get into this business that are quote, unquote the right way, but there's also ways that people can get into this business, and it's the wrong way and I think that by you gift wrapping it so to speak as a lifestyle, and then letting them take those skills and apply them as they wish is just the I think I think it's the it's not only admirable, but it's the right way. Yeah and I mean building. The business was just as much a response to trauma. Is Anything else because I did? Try and get really high up in somebody else's martial art organization, not going to say who basically I ended up giving a lot of money to one guy who was toxic and abusive and exploitation and nothing like really terribly happened to me on an actual physical level, but I saw things happen to other people and I saw how his entire business was based around self interest and he. He didn't actually see any of the people in his organization for who they were, he just saw them as little mini hymns that he just raised to be like his boys or girls to like do his thing and Bill Cobra Kai and it was like bro this stuff out dated. What is wrong with you and that's the things that there are still certain sex martial arts culture that in this country still try and play that like Seafood Guru sorta like I'm going to be your life leaders. Like I'm I'm never gonNA professionally. Go by seafood or Guru, and it's not because I. Don't value those things I. Just it's. It's not for me I'M GONNA go by coach because it's like. How do I help you? Be The best you it's not about how do I make you in the me? It's how do I. Help you be the best to you and that's. That's where I think this is all capable of going, and you know yes. Yes emulate other people that excite you, but it's because they excite you. Don't try and turn yourself into somebody else. Don't disassociate. Be Your Best Self, and that doesn't mean you have to have washboard ABS. That doesn't mean you have to be able to do a million pull ups. That just means you have to do something at the end of the day you go like yeah, okay. I did something that was cool and you go to bed happy. That's it. I I think I think that's a great way to to bring it to bring it. Full Circle I did want to close out with. One thing and I think that, but before we get into the next part of the interview I think it's something that's very very important, and that's the fact that you're never. You're never letting circumstances. Dictate your next move like right now. The you know, the pandemic happened and yeah. You could have sat there and set all man. My businesses isn't going to. It's going to tank. I'M NOT GONNA make any money, but you adapted and I think that that's the biggest part of our entire conversation. Is that instead of letting the adversity? Weigh you down and all these different facets of your life. You adapted around them and you ended up using that that adapt to move. Move forward and create these other amazing and new opportunities, which I think is one of the biggest things I've taken from our conversation. Thus far is that you know adapation is key especially when you're doing it in a way that like you said you're not expecting anything in return. You're doing it for the right reasons now man. Thank you for saying that like I haven't I haven't really ever heard it exactly that way before. Like people have told me that I'm like I'm good at hustling and stuff like that, but I think what you're saying is. It's like it's incredibly hard to just flat out. Stop me out cold when it comes to this NOPE! Not, and if like saying like Gary, basically shot you in the heart absolutely and you got up and you kept doing it and here we are like two years later finally like talking you know, and it's like it's because you kept going for it. No matter what like I'm sure you had to have your own tibbets I'm sure you've had to have your own change of plan, but man. If the mission stays the same, you'll accomplish anything. Yeah, I mean to to your point. Cova Cova took my my job of nineteen years like here. I am unemployed. BEEN UNEMPLOYED since since May I. You know an every day you wake up and you're like all right. What am I going to try to do in this and that and you know when you're applying for jobs and everything else but new? York City shut down and you know you just you just adapted you pivot as best as you can and see where the road takes you. Yeah and I mean that that all came from like I. Think it just all goes back to being like man. I was in high school, and I didn't know what to do with my time 'cause I didn't fit in with everybody else's thing, but I still had occupy myself in some way up, so eventually became martial arts, and then it was like when it came to the film industry. WHO's like in Maryland and I? Don't have any money. What can I do? I guess I can just work on all these craigslist films until I find something great all. All right well. I want to do but I. don't have a connection. Well I guess I'll just build my own stunt organizations. Will Somebody knows his being? And then they noticed you, will you? You flunk out your stunt career on your second Gig because you were really green. What are you GonNa, do I'm GonNa take all the money I just made my career and I'm GonNa go around the world training, holy crap going around the world training a lot of fun. Maybe I should figure out why this is fun, and then try and share it with other people. And then opening there you go, and then boom world shut down. There's no way to go around training with other people. Now I had like five martial arts. Trips planned this year alone. The Oregon to California to Florida. That I was GonNa go with Dr. Brian Stoops and those shutdown. Yep, so it's like great. He's just gotTA bring it to everybody else, and that's what I'm going to be doing now. We've got our little studio in the basement. It's somebody wants to come over sprayed themselves with some disinfectant and get on facebook. Live or zoom or something all record you. I'll put you out there. I'll give you the tech support with my media production background, and we'll share with people because nothing can hold. Hold you back. If you're passionate, you'll find at least the bare minimum to do that satisfies you, and if you feel like you need to take it further, you're GONNA go further because it. Just it just gives to you to the point where you're overflowing, and you start giving it back now with regards to that and and you know you were talking about your production background all these videos that you're doing. You're filming this. All with regular run of the mill store bought equipment. You know the murless cameras you know. Consumer consumer grade gambles and your phone and everything else right. The nearly one hundred hours of content that we've put on Youtube in the last three or four months is made with the phone that I'm talking to you through. That's that's impressive. If the Samsung Galaxy S. ten I got it because it's a little bit smaller than the really big one, I wanted to be able to pull it out of my pocket while I was. was onset without being too cumbersome because you gotta check your phone while you're on set and I've never been an iphone guy so I just I never got one. I got a droid, and I'm I'm so impressed by technology on facebook. Live I can broadcast seven twenty p live streaming with a little bit of a delay, and then once you're done filming it the video. Video comes back to your phone at seven twenty p. it's not the highest quality ever, but it works, and if you get a couple likes, it looks great, and if you clean up your set, and you do a little bit a set design, and you get a couple of sound blankets, the audio's fine. You get one of these tiny little microphones from Bien H for like. Like forty dollars boom, you've got a studio in your house and no one. No one is going to judge you for the quality of it as long as across the board. It doesn't suck, so make sure your audience not peaking like crazy all the time, so find a way to get stabilized makes your. Your video is constantly freaking out with exposure issues or focus issues and. And just keep it consistent and keep getting better at it as you go are set in our structure. It's a ten episodes before we knew what we were doing to a science, and then once we had it down. We just we still kept improving it, but we were like okay. Get Up, put together. Go Film. Go Film Go. Anybody can make a TV show anybody can. Can Do Wayne's world in their basement now with -nology we have, and if you've got a story to tell, or if you've got a skill to give out there spending an hour a week sharing it with other people because you know what it's fun, it just is, and there's no reason not to, and you know if you don't want to do it. That's fine, too, but. But man the accessibility of the technology I. Still Haven't even tapped into zoom. Everybody else has but I just don't. I'm not as big of a fan of the camera quality, because I know what streaming requires in where it has to chug down the bit rate quality, a little bit more than just single camera facebook live, but man watching Brian stoops. Do this virtual FEMA trainer. Trainer things we can seeing fourteen people test in five hours of three levels of curriculum, all together on the same screen is is fantastic, and he got to look super good when he came in on Saturday because we got zoom him on his laptop, and with the second backup angle with my camera on a high tripod, so that everybody had like a big full-body studio shot. In a well lit room with solid audio and acoustics, and you had you had a great five hour training session, and it costs like less than three grand. It costs a bunch list three. Yeah, I mean there's so many things I I. It's funny. You mentioned I actually learned this week. About a way that you can actually stream from your desktop to instagram live now. Oh, my Gosh Yup have to figure that out at some. I'll send you I'll send you the details after after we wraps, but. Yeah that'll give you something to do so many opportunities to go into different platforms and do the stuff. I stick with facebook because the functionality, but start with one platform. Yup, like start with one and learn how to cultivate that, and then if you feel like bridging into another one person to another one I agree necessarily again with Gary v's like Oh you have to learn all eight platforms. That's if you're trying to make like a couple hundred thousand dollar, a year business, selling peanut butter, or whatever it is that he's talking about. If you have a small business, stick with one platform to start with get. Get pretty good at it and build a loyal fan base there. Yup, because that's going to help, empower you to do it on the next platform rather than spreading yourself too thin from the get go there. You go well the second part of our interview. We like to call it the hot seat. Just a series of rapid fire questions discussing different things, so we're gonNA, jump around and have a couple of different ones that we're going to go into. Some stuff will be based on. Your interests will be based on your work all right. Cool I'll try and keep these answers to sing yeah, so. Obviously when you turn on, your Samsung S. ten in the morning What are three mobile APPS? You can't live without. Sadly the facebook, APP and I say sadly but. Here's a way to stay communicated with people Certainly in the last three months has been really important to Kinda. Like just see what Zeitgeist. The time kind of is, so you know it's been a huge part of my communication with people and I do like building the business Youtube! Youtube, because I I've got google. Play I've got like Google. Whatever premium I bought the Google music, APP, which basically Gould's version of spotify that like three years ago for ten dollars a month you get unlimited downloads, and at the time they were also giving you free youtube. What was called at the time? Now I think it's just youtube premium and you get unlimited youtube you can download. Download to your phone if you're on Wifi and you WANNA watch later without eating up data. That's just keep. It is like it's like my bookshelf like got I've got an audio book version of Miyamoto Musashi. Book Five Rings on my phone for free through Youtube that I can just pick up and listen to whenever for ten dollars a month so I, I've watched like for instance three hundred hours of Gary v's content the first year that I discovered him because I had unlimited access youtube, and the best thing about the free APP is that you can turn your screen off and just use it as an audio device like. I I know people that I've I haven't listened to an ad on Youtube in two years unless I log into somebody else's account I'm like. Why are you not paying for this team? You're paying thing ever eight to ten dollars a month for love gone? Nice and then the third APP it would really just be primarily those two, because I go back and forth from motivational videos and meditation videos, Gotcha and business video than learning and everything and facebook, but you know obviously I need whatever camera I really like in shot, I like in shot a lot for my video editing platform. I've been trying to find like a video. Video editing tool for the joy of phone. Obviously, if you've got an iphone, there's something really good. The video editing APPs that Samsung or will have a power director was good for a while I liked our meeting. Different social media platforms in my opinion might be better soon in a shot. Just is is fun to use I just really like how versatile it is and. And how it format stuff for instagram before youtube or facebook, really easily ice I like What's it called Adobe Premiere? Rush has gotten a little bit better I wanted to try that out. I didn't see how it. I couldn't figure out how it works. So if you're saying it's gotten better, I definitely want to try it. I absolutely do love Photoshop Express Oh yeah photoshop. Photoshop Express is fantastic is so stupidly powerful lake I edit a lot of my photo content just on my phone using that APP like I'll use photoshop obviously, if I got to do a deep dive, and like do some hardcore like cutting pasting layering, but man just to do Pella Correction vignette eating a little bit of highlight here, My instagram's pretty much runs from my photoshop. Express APP. It's like so frigging useful. It's amazing what you can do on a phone nowadays. Nice, what's one website? You recommend to people often. I'm one of those weird guys. It's barely on websites anymore. Man Like I just stick social media platforms. No, no, but I mean that's a good question. I don't know I don't know. What sites anymore like unless it's somebody's business that I know. I used to be about this one film lead cycle dark horizons That was a good film journalism website. Remain like. Yeah yeah with. Garth or Garrett's. There's something a guy from Australia that I talk to occasionally No, no, I just barely use websites anymore, and that might be my problem. Maybe I need to get back on more websites. I don't know what's your favorite piece of tech besides your phone your computer. Let's see still like my car a lot, but not give like a serious answer so my rig for video production is a Sony Alpha Sixty five hundred murless Ds I. Guess It's kind of like a DSL. I know. Listen DSL are kind of different things, but it's one of those cameras I. Use it for all my main video production outside of using my phone. And, what does that I really like? Is that out of the box? You Get one hundred and twenty frames per second at ten eighty p. It's at a decent bit rate. It looks really good I actually pull still images from a lot when we're doing. because if we're doing a workshop or something like that, instead of filming four K. which I know I'm never going to really use or instead of trying to take photo after photo after photo, we just record the workshop in one twenty p., and we get really great. Yeah, a little bit low Rez, but they're going to social media platforms, most likely anyway Yup get really great build out of that from every angle, and because it's one twenty p. there's no blur and when you're doing action, the hardest thing to get out is the blur. Blur so I can go frame by frame by frame and find the perfect frame of any workshop that we teach from one hundred twenty p video that is a Kodak that's compressed enough that it doesn't take up a good Jillian gigabytes on my hard drive. The other thing that does all the boxes it does do a four K which is pretty good, but it's kind of a battery eater, but my favorite thing is that this camera is lightweight enough that I can put on my ego. Rage S Kimball so they're like one of those. Those kimball companies. They're competitive with like Zun and stuff like that. I think they're out of the Pacific Northwest It was a five hundred dollar piece of equipment. It's a single handlebar gamble and Oh my God. Lake you put this camera that has optical stabilization built in on board and has obstacle optical stabilization built into the Lens, has the fastest at the time at least down over things come out since the fastest autofocus of any DSL, our camera that was out at the time, and you put the autofocus Lens on. You can record. Record anything with one hand that's put your other hand on the buffet table in just feed your fricken face while record and one hundred twenty P in full autofocus with decent low light with an absolutely silky smooth digital image that just looks competitive with like I. Mean There's there's definitely higher level cameras, but man like this rigged I put together has been so useful for everything I do including fight including documentary including promotional video It's an you can train other people to use it pretty quick, and that's also very ages nice. I know you mentioned The book of five rings. Was that the last book you read and if it wasn't? What was the last book you read I am so bad at reading. I will tell you a last book that I was working on so and I was listening to book a five. Bring I, have read version of it before, but this one was married by some guy, so it sounded really cool. anyways. I've been reading the fighters heart by I. Think it, Sam Sheridan He's another guy, but he never I don't think he ever competed in UFC but he worked for. For like men's fitness or men's journal or something like that as a writer and he traveled to Thailand, Thai boxing, and like the part of the book that I'm in right now. He's traveled to Brazil to do some Brazilian Jujitsu and he traveled to like mid West United States to train with a military in his gym, and like trained with all these guys, and he's just a very insightful right or that. It's like it's it's great book about why we do some of the things that we do even when they hurt, but the guy is not trying to be a professional fighter. He's just trying. Trying to explore who these people are that decide to do it and I. Guess That's where the title of the book comes from, and it's. It's a lot of fun. Nonfiction I don't read a lot of nonfiction, but I'm really digging this one all right, and and then I will say though that the last book that I more or less finished I think I've got some last chapter and then picked up something else because I was lazy was called not the life. It seems which is as an unofficial biography of the band, my chemical romance. Okay but it's by a guy that had like. Like interviewed them a dozen times, Karang or something like that, so he pulls a lot of the stories from his own interviews and everything, so it's pretty official and man. Their story is a band like they're my favorite band. That's like my favorite music. Hands Down is like their four albums is like it's just so inspiring to hear about a bunch of like weird kids that got together and made everybody feel inspired through like dark themes, but this sense of like not being alone, so the book is really good, and even just the chapter on how they wrote. Lack parade in haunted mansion is like amazing. Now you know we talked about all these different items, but the thing. Everybody always has a blast of this question. What was the something you purchase? Recently? That was less than one hundred dollars that made your life either easier or more enjoyable. A good one Everybody was. It could be anything so no, no, no, no fine That's that's great so I have a Microsoft surface pro tablet, which is I have the most recent one. When they stopped numbering them. They just started calling them surface pros right? I got it like you and a half years ago before I went to the Philippines bat is not the piece of technology I'm talking about. I literally went to a Walgreens the other day and saw that they had on the store shelf. This stupid little stand up desk table Stanford laptops. Oh Yeah. Yeah. Yeah and I mean, you think it's like like I'm looking at the boxes called like airspace or something like that is clearly in their made the as seen on TV section, and it's like all right. It's a little, dinky, little lightweight. It's like a two hundred dollar piece of equipment, but it's like we've been trying to record all these shows and everything every single time I. Try and set up this laptop. Because the major thing with the the surface pro is that? Yes, it does have this really cool till chicks stand, but there's no way to lean forward Yup, because it's not. Not a laptop screen where it's like reinforced where you can like tilted down, you can only really tilt it back. Otherwise they'll just clap shut like a clam like buying this thing and being able to set up like frigging tablet, which is why I prefer to do all like my my zoom conversations and my my recording, if I gotta go on a screen like that instead of my phone, it was just super, practical and super useful, and it was like like thirty five forty bucks, and it just always remember that like if you're out there and you're using a computer. Setup that somewhat Ergonomic like whether that's like a standing desk or just something where you can get up and move around every once in a while because man lake even I am such A. Such a a culprit of this doing video editing. I'll sit there like playing. All, sit there for like five hours not moving, and it's like Oh this is not good for you know. Impromptu standing desk, instead of using like a bunch of books in boxes. That's the short answer you go. You know we we talk. We talked about some. Tack I to talk about some toys I know that we had a the you know especially with your profession. You have a lot of cool toys Tell me a little bit about your favorite ones. When it comes to professional quote, Unquote Toys you talking like training with stuff like that? Maybe yeah yeah, fill for instance, Saga Action or Just kinda got like I. Don't know sponsored or something I'm still getting used to influence or culture, but we got a lot of free training. Weapons from a company called s our tactical. We have been sure to do our own little background. Check on them to make sure everything's kosher in this very trying time where we're looking at tactical people and we're wondering how far down the political spectrum. They might be going in decrease down. And it seems like this is a pretty legit business I mean they're from. Texas but I'M NOT GONNA. Hold that against them. Actually Texas a fair amount. really great training gear. Affordable prices again I'm not gonNA. Say Auburn I off Amazon all the time, so they do have a store on Amazon that you can order through It's safe. It's fun They got training knives that got training sticks. They just built two different baton. Some of it based off of. Of My feedback expanding stuff batons that you can train with if you want to. That are now plastic and our stage safe polypropylene machetes and training gun. If you're into that kind of stuff is not into that kind of stuff more power to you, but like if you need solid props to train with or if you need. Need a gear. We're really enjoying what they put together and then it's like you know. Obviously you can go with cold stealing stuff like that, but sometimes the products are little limiting It just depends on what you WANNA find. one of my favorite stores to go to has been in Philadelphia Pennsylvania. I hope that they're still online, but that's a Asian world of martial arts, basically the the Willy Wonka's chocolate factory of martial arts gear. If you go there, you can find any sort of training weapon, any sort of uniform any sort of gear for martial arts training. It's right outside of Philly, and they also have a huge online store. Which I'm sure is still going and. I definitely recommend them. They've been really helpful. Give a huge deal. When I first started my business and I bought like a hundred extremist dicks to give to my clients. gave me like a sixty percent discount though they were really helpful. What was your favorite toy or collectible when you were a kid? I was really spoiled up until age ten like my parents bought me like a lot of teenage Ninja Turtle Toys. They bought me like a lot of transformers toys Transformers that transformed I got the weird action figure ones that were Gi. Joe Toys like you remember, though yeah, I do actually those actually have a diesel resale value in. Enough Hasbro's actually rereleasing align similar to that where they don't transform their all action figures. Yeah, it's great that they have a retail value because I like snapped. Kid horribly because like I dude I've been playing hard with storytelling was a kid man. My my action figures would go at it, so and I had two younger brothers so there are no Russillo valuable toys in my house. Unfortunately I've thought about man I'd have to clean them all up, but had all of that like I was a kid out of the late eighties, so I had an editorial. The head transformers I had some power rangers. had a little bit of NERF I love to all of it I can't really think about like what was my absolute favorite actually really liked the terminator two toys that came out. I thought those were really cool. Actually, had of those they were they had like the. The EXOSKELETON Ukwa by then they had one that the it looked like Schwarzenegger in the arm was melted off. Yeah I, got that one, and you could actually like put on different attachments for for whatever reason to actually have it in the toy box I found recently holy crap. That's awesome. I should put a photo on facebook later. We have a few laughs about. God. They used to call the t eight hundred exoskeleton, or the Endo Skeleton, or whatever they used to call it the Turbo Punch Yup. That's right. That's that's not what the thing was called, but good on you for selling it. The Children I. Okay, okay now I. Know Now I know you're refreshing my gosh man. You're taking me back I was big into aliens and Predator as people are into star. Trek and Star Wars Yep I. Know what a yacht is like that much of a nerd. I've read a dozen Predator novels from like my twenties into my thirties, like even though they're kind of like trash and everything like that, but I mean they're not bad. They're really good. I have always been a fan of the aliens franchise. My mom actually let me watch Terminator Two and aliens when I was five years old. Nice, so that should explain everything. We've just been talking about for the last two hours like. My Mom. Let me watch some of that stuff, too, so yep, I'm right there with you. I I saw the one thousand nine hundred nine Batman movie theaters, and I was born in nineteen eighty seven. Now there you go, so that's that's all my mom like I. Owe all of this to her like. I'm crazy about this stuff. Because I was imprinted with it at a very young age whether that was psychologically damaging. Not I'm not going to say, but clearly I've tried to put to good use of the aliens toys, and the Predator toys like goes were like like the Ninja Turtles Refine when I was five, but I think that a VP toys were like my thing from like six to eight or nine. That was just like a huge fan of like how creative they got with that. University of the toys. Because if you know, the movies is like well, there's a Predator and there's an alien. With the toys they were like well. There's a hundred queen and there's like a Rhino Alien, and there's this Hunter Predator, the Stocker Predator out like Oh man. This is so cool like all these different variations were really freaking cool and they weren't McFarland either. We're all Hasbro, but they were really frigging the. They were ahead of their time. I have I have a few of them, and it was crazy, too, because those were they the thing about it was I, was reading the The alien and Predator novels when I was a kid, too, and I remember the one wear. The girl helped the predators, and she joined their tribe and became the first Human Predator Hunter and I remember when the movie finally got made and I was like. Oh, they're going to adapt the book and they didn't and I was so bummed. Dude I I'm right there with you and like my like I think my like sixteen year. Old Brain thought the movie the first time I saw it was really good, but that was like I knew I was just telling myself. It was good. I wanted to find Paul W Anderson just punch him in the face like my goal for getting into the film industry with like to punch him for making ATP movie and like not. Not doing right because you write the novelization of alien vs Predator, I think the first books called Pray Yup That was written by Stephen Stephanie Perry Stephanie Perry, who's also known as SD Perry? I've actually friend her on facebook and I wrote her a message being like dude. You wrote the book that was so cool. You wrote that way and she wrote a bunch of Resident Evil novelization, and she's just a really fun writer. Yeah so getting to just reach out to her on facebook and be like you wrote my childhood was. That that book with the character, Machiko Negoti right dude I know that cover to cover and like I actually make other people read that book like I'll throw a copy of them. I'll be like look if you WanNa know what this is supposed to be business, how often be? It's such a cool story, and I think the original comic. The predators didn't have any dialogue like they didn't. I was dots and dashes. Of the what it was dots and dashes like a lot of their dialogue. Yeah, it was all just but in the book because you can't do that in a book, Yep they actually came up with their own language, and they came up with their own personalities, and everything was like. This is a really cool like sci fi monster culture, like it really does expanded, and it's from their perspective, so you get the human perspectives you get the Predator perspective. You get like eight different perspectives throughout the book and like you. You don't really get alien perspective, but that's fine, but it's like man of someone made the actual movie version of this. This would be so cruel and lasting. Say about that. Is that someone actually START MAKING CGI? Version of IT A fan CGI film of it and ADP planet or eighty galaxy was like advertising it like saying it was coming out and then right before the Fox one happened Fox killed. It said no, you can't make this. We're making our own movie and I was like Oh okay. Movie came out with like God. It Yup. It was it was. I felt so let down, and then they did the second one with the with the Predator Alien Hybrid, and I was like all right, just just stop. Just just hang up. I appreciate a requiem, because at least the aliens or scary in the. Like a mean mother because it's like Yup, they looked like overweight pro wrestlers in a VP one now absolutely didn't look like predators, and they had like a frigging fight scene where they were throwing each other around, and it's like that they're supposed to be based Samurai man. It's true well that yeah, so that that my big thing. The universe was like that's my. That's my home. Is that universe? That's pretty dope the the last question rob hotseat. Obviously being in the industry. What is your favorite fight scene of all time? Damn Dude. I wish I had like a quick go to answer for that I wish I had a quick to answer for all your questions. Because your podcast they're going to be cut to. Pieces are going to be four hours long. I have a couple that are my absolute favorites one of them that always comes, and I think it's just the one that always pops out is there's this final fight in this Korean film called the man from Nowhere Yup Lovie you've seen that one. Yup, so truth be told I've seen the actual movie one and a half times. I've watched that final fight like maybe a hundred times like I've I've written like little facebook post essays about just how much I love and adore that final fight. It's not an action, heavy movie now four or five fights in the higher film, but that final final throwdown between him and the gangsters and the assassin is so poetic. The musical score is the best music I've ever heard to a fight scene ever and the amount of character that goes into that moment from his switch moment when the macguffin in the scene is like destroyed, I'm gonNA. Call them and I want to spoil spoiler force, but it's going end when the Bagai shines on and tries to torment the good guy, and then when the guy has switched moment, you just see all of a sudden. It's a fight scene where our hero like okay Batman scares bag is no, no, no, the punisher scares bag is no no, no, no this. This Korean character makes. In the room absolutely terrified of him in his quest for revenge, and it's like it's so beautiful in the sense that you know that this character is so hurt and so damaged. He's going to make these people pay for it and I'm not a huge revenge porn sorta guy, but it's so real and so well done, and it's one of the only times in a fight scene where shaky, Cam. Because the shaky cam conveys the perspective of people watching this guy being absolutely terrified of how he's moving, and they're not able to keep up with them, and they're just like a worse crude. Oh, we're dead. This guy we. We should not have pushed him so that's definitely one of my top one, and then the only other one that I'll say today is kind of keep it a little. Little Bit Short Yup is and this is weird because I'm not saying Jackie Chan. Jet, Li I do think there's amazing fight scenes from all those guys. I love the final fight and way of the Dragon with Bruce Lee and Chuck Norris the lake, one of my other favorite final fights stuff that I pull inspiration from what I try and make fight scenes is actually the fight between Mad Max. Max and Furioso idea and the bride and knocks in fury road up where they first meet, and everything is a weapon. Every characters involved and every shot tells the story, and it's quick cut. Yup, put all Senator Franken waited, and it's just like every moment something interesting happened, and the physicality is fantastic and again the music is incredible, and the performances are just. It's like holy crap. Everything just went to. To Hell and these characters are literally fighting every single second. One of them could die, and that is so different from a martial arts movie fight where like people are throwing punches at each other a hundred times over, and it's like well. There's risk but not yet. Yup, every beating fight is like so ten like he's pulling out shotgun. She's pulling out a fire hose. He's in a mass like. I I love and I think it's one of the best teams to come last twenty years I've you know it was funny? Just a I did want to add one thing I enjoyed about the man from nowhere is i. was a big Fan of the movie, the professional, so yeah, yeah yeah. Yeah, so I love a lot of that inspiration that was in that movie that because I just enjoyed the cinematography of that movie, and how well it was done, and the man from nowhere definitely did that, so it's actually I was really blown away. You pick that that's that's such an underrated flick Fran. And especially in its aged well to know it really has like it's still completely watchable. Back and watch the whole thing again. I just I do remember loving the story when I watched it I. Just I haven't had the time to sit down and watch it all over again since. It does pull from Leon, and then it's also like hey, for everybody that the movie taken go watch. This is the Korean version of taken. The gravitas is so much higher the Pfizer so much better. I don't dislike the fight and take I. Think they're fine for what they are, but like and I love Liam Neeson's. I love me some Liam Neeson's. This this this guy is so good in this movie and It's definitely one of the Ba-. It's such it's such an archetype now when you think of things like the last of us and bioshock infinite in every other video game how there's like some big strong older guy, taking care of a young woman hundred percent. Like you're saying like Leon which if you watch the full director's cut of the professional? You're like okay. This is starting to go into creepy projection territory. Could could not freak me out here and tell me about your underage girl. Power fantasy like I actually like the theatrical cut better, because while I do appreciate those teams for the performances I. Do see why the audience would react negatively to that. WAYPOINT. Basan could have gone with but I love. I cry at the end of the professional man I love that movie but the man from nowhere from what I remember is just. It doesn't have that part to it. It's very genuine relationship because this guy is just likely on. He's Kinda on the fringe. He just wants to protect this girl and then someone screws with him, and they make the wrong choice by. By doing it and the ending killed you 'cause you don't know which way it's going to go there. You go so good. It's so good. The the the last part of our interview I like to call reach one teach one just to give our listeners something actionable that they can work on on the way out for you especially with such a diverse career I'm just going to keep it very simple. For someone that's a starting a whether. They're starting out in the in the stunt industry starting out as a martial artist. What's one piece of actionable advice? You give a person that's just starting out. As really great, because I was asked that question earlier by by this student. That I'm trying to consult with She's moving to Kansas. City. I don't like I said I don't know. Missouri or I thought it was Oklahoma. anyways, She hasn't done a lot of martial arts before and I was like well. What's your physical background? And she was like I did tennis and basketball volleyball, and like great. You're you're already so far ahead because you have any physical background so like step number one is like. Don't be intimidated by it. when it's actionable, it's like with actionable is yes realize it's going to be different. Yes, realize it's going to be something. You might not be used to, but don't let anybody scare you off because if they're trying to scare you off, don't be a part of that school like. Seriously don't if they're trying to play like the business, the deadly art of Blah Blah Blah. I don't think you can handle it good. Don't handle it. Leave because screw. Those people the number one thing that has to change about martial arts culture and Brian and I are actually gonNA. Start a podcast about the soon is you've got to get rid of the toxicity in it? It it's just it's not functional in this day and age. It's actually bad. It puts a bad name martial arts that puts a bad name on a personal development it. Just it hurts because it doesn't actually make martial arts last more people will give up martial arts than they'll continue because of the toxic culture and the people that will continue, it will get brainwashed We're going to start a podcast called like the ethical martial artists podcasts. So what I'm saying is really with actionable is when you go looking for it. Take your free trial class. You can always find a free trial, class or something like that, and if you jam with the instructor great if you don't and you find them a little, weird or a little, discouraging or a little creepy, because it's another, it's another position you know historically has. Power positions and I'm saying this a lot for like women I. Guess, but it's it's for men to or anybody of any gender, or whatever like whatever you are it. It's a toxic place where people want to feel like they're in power, and they're gonNA. Try and hold that over your head with either belt systems or the magic pill or something like this, or how can you kill three guys with a? A spoon and it's like no whole Brazilian Jujitsu is the only martial art you'll ever need well I. WanNa learn a little bit of it, but I disagree with you can get out on my school. Okay, like your most actionable thing is being able to say no, and keep until you find the people that you like, even if it's a martial art that makes no dang sense if it's if it's. It's Steven seagal style Aikido and it's like absolute. I'm not saying HITO IS BS. Alaba does amazing, but if if it's a school where it's like, maybe it's not the most practical martial art on the planet, or if it's come through and all you're doing forms. You're not sparring like I. Did when I first started. You're enjoying it and it's not hurting you. Who Am I to tell you that it's bad? Bad like so that I know that's not necessarily actionable, but you have to have a mindset before you go looking for martial arts. That's what I would say is actionable that up your mind. Set Your goals and know what you're willing to deal with and what you're not willing to deal with, because you do not want five years down the road to realize man I was being brainwashed by that guy. That's the absolute thing. I don't want for anybody and You will get so much value out of what you seek out if you do it with a clear and confident Ed, and you don't let somebody else get inside your head and try and screw with you because it's it's. It's abusive, and you'll make the world a better place by being present and what you're doing. Doing and not letting it change you in a way that you didn't want it to help. I think that's that's actionable as you can get, and it also helps establish a mindset to go in there so I appreciate you sharing that with our audience and also WanNa. Make It really clear like you asked me that question and my first answer wasn't will sign up for saga. Like I thought about that like one minute in me giving you like a ten minute answer. Like I didn't promote myself because I don't care if you sign up with me, I mean I'll I'll be really happy if you do but man, it's a very personal very personal journey. You have to enjoy it as much as you possibly can so do that. Set yourself up for success, because if it's not going to be a career, it's going to be a hobby. It's going to be a hobby. Spend your money in time doing something that you love. Make sense to me well with that said, and this is usually how we close things out work and people find you and keep up with what you're doing. Thanks is a SAGA ACTION DOT COM. It's not a website right now. It's a link to an instagram account. Because that's how I built my business, I started with instagram eventually made facebook platform, which you can also find basically Google Saga Action Arts. You'll find our youtube channel which we got over one hundred subscribers, so it was able to change that to youtubecom backslash Saga Action Arts, Facebook.com look for the saga action, or it's page. There's probably hyphen there and on instagram is like at underscores. The at Saga underscores action just type in the URL. I'll put the links it in the show notes. I'm not really active on twitter with saga, but there is a saga account and just can't remember my password for it. Somebody help me but and then yeah, if you find me Dylan. Hence you can message me on any social media platform You know my phone number out there? If you really WANNA reach out, but really just send me a g mail. Saga Acts Gmail.com and be. Be, like Yo I want to train or Yo- working i. find other training, or you know Hey I saw this movie. What are you thinking? Probably engage with you a little bit, but I really WanNa push people to our youtube channel because we have nearly one hundred hours of free, training content upload on Youtube Channel includes workouts warning routine of season one, which was thirty seven thirty six episode long. Long which is just every day you watch my psychosis through the pandemic as I try and do these mobility and body awareness exercises, and we have a whole community involved in those videos and we've got all of our curriculum. The skill development sessions and we've even got action arts classes where you can watch us on the fly. Develop fight, choreography live to camera so please just go and. And check that out because we, we just WanNa, give it all away and inspire other people to do whatever they feel like doing. inspire people to inspire other people. You go well Dylan I thank you for taking the time to share the toys and tech of your trade well, thank you very much rich and a day strong, and that hero you WanNa, be and thank you for having me. Man What an awesome conversation with Dylan hints from Saga Action Arts, we probably could have spoke for another hour or two, and even after we wrap up the interview Dylan I agreed that a second interview is a must. Because there's so many things that we didn't even get to explore not only that, but there was just so much stuff that we can nerd out about whether it's action films, fights martial arts, etc. There's there's so much stuff. Stuff and I definitely feel that probably do on another two hour episode. Just on that stuff alone, so definitely be on the lookout for that. Maybe when things open up, we'll visit saga and do some stuff on location. We'll see what happens. Speaking of Saga Action Arts. We're going to include links for everything related to Saga Action Arts in the show notes for this episode as well as links to some of the stuff that Dylan I discussed as. As always some of those things, maybe affiliate links which if you click or receive a small commission, which of course goes towards helping us give you guys better content whether it's on the site on our podcasts or on our youtube channel, so feel free to use those links as you wish, every little bit helps, and of course. If you want to keep up with us, you can find us on. Social Media at rage works pretty much everywhere and. And links for all of our different social media accounts will be in the show notes for this episode as always. Thank you guys for checking out toys and tech of the trade, and we'll see you in two weeks with a brand, new episode and Man. We have some awesome guests. Take us through the summer. So can't wait to share it with you folks. Thanks for checking US out. We really really appreciate it. 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