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VFTPB 43: Cam reunites with the toughest player he ever fought: Kim Clackson
"Welcome to the view from the penalty box podcast with Cam Connor. Hockey stories from one of hockey's toughest enforcers. Episode number forty three up cam connor with my son Chris. And so we are excited, we finally have our first guest were interviewing and dad. We talked about who would be a great I guest and you kept going back to the same person Kim Claxton so we'll probably talk for five ten minutes now. We're going to go straight into the interview. We had a lot of questions that were just general to you, so we will save that for the next episode. We WanNA. Thank everyone for following you on twitter. Cam Connor NHL Instagram facebook. Bunch of people have bought hats from Asab you. You from the penalty box hats. I know we both have won. If you're interested, it's five percent off with the view from the penalty box dot com slash merch, Emmy, H., link, and again if you have any questions, is view from the penalty box at g mail DOT COM so dad before we get into the Kim Claxton interview for maybe people who aren't aware of Kim, Claxton, or if they need a refresher. Why was he your number? One Choice? I'm a straight shooter and played with Kim. Junior played against them in pros. In my opinion now there may be tougher guys out there. You know depending who you played with and the experienced you had you know as a hockey player with other players, but for me I saw Kim. He took on game after game after game. I didn't have as much balls. His Kim did Kim would fight anybody and listen to our podcast. You know I, asked him I said. Did you ever show we ever afraid? And he gives you the reason why he did what he did. Consistently, he was fearless. He showed up and every team. Kim Claxton plate for he made them a better better hockey team. And so. You know. Kim lessees all school back when I played and the game is different today. It's not new is rough and I've said that many times before. Listen to our podcast with Kim and you'll hear some of his stories and it'll just. It'll just backup what I've been saying. That game is different and back. When I played, it was tough for hockey, but hope you enjoy the injury and Kim starts it off outside, so there's a little bit of wind, but then he comes inside I think within like three or four minutes of just stick out the beginning. It's a really great interview. Thanks everyone. Nice to meet you. Thanks so much for coming on the viewpoint of the penalty box podcasts we have been talking about having a guest for like two and a half years now and every week. We procrastinate in every time. My Dad says if we're someone. The first guest has to be. Kim Claxton, so thank you very much. You Know Kim. The truth is. Is I've always seriously I'm not saying could this podcast? It's the truth. I've always been a big fan of yours always and. Started Back Junior, and you had more balls than anybody. I ever played with or against, and that's the God's honest truth. And you know and you know. Maybe. I wasn't smart. Enough then well. You know what I don't care you. Press me. You know you impressed me. Because as you know back in the W H, eight NHL, back in our days it was pretty rough. Hockey was aggressive pretty well. Anything went you go in front of the net. You get hurt. And today if you stand in front of the net. Not a problem. SONATA PROBLEMS! What do you think of hockey today? What do I think hockey today? Good Question Cam I think the playoffs are fun to watch. I agree or the referees of put the whistles away and let them play more. I don't like that. They call so much during the year that. The players that played games then go into. The playoffs aren't used to getting hit aren't used to getting. Getting stood up aren't used to that, aren't you're GONNA top speed and they're not. They're not condition to don't protect themselves. For the playoffs the playoffs is he work all year to get the playoffs? You work all year. The playoffs is the is the Kremlin Graham. These guys aren't ready for. So you see teams St Louis has got a great team very physical very demanding very. Heavy defense heavy goaltender play a heavy game. You look at. Pittsburgh. Pittsburgh is built for speed and finesse. To drive the puck referee isn't blowing the whistle. It's heard on making the calls Pittsburgh's trump. You're right, but you know what though. Kim a might be jumping ahead here, but just by what you said. If we go back to the w eight days when you ended up in Winnipeg I played with Hedberg Nielsen in the Range Organization. And I got to know those guys great guy who. They are and we will talk about you. I would bring. You must be bored. No, no tie up a big fatty yours up. Here. We talk about you. Hedberg and Nielsen Hedberg was my roommate. and. He said he just said. Would Kim Cox and came to our team. He said it changed. He said teams would take advantage of US 'cause we're all suites, a C. Would Kim Cox showed up. He said the whole game changed. These tough guys were no longer top guys with him, and he had nothing as as oath Nielsen had nothing but positives to say about you and how? You brought to fund back into the game for them because they could play hockey and that's pretty well what you're saying with Pittsburgh. They got finesse team like the Winnipeg jets only. If start is rough as it used to be. And so you know, you can't even lift your stick up and touch somebody with a stick. All of a sudden you get a two minute or something. My first First Year in the W. H. Cam? It was amazing news a stick vite before if you drop the gloves with a full fledged Dick Swing and dual before was a sort seis. Every night we had two or three sort fights 'em. You GonNa, fight. Race his. Fifty. Unbelievable I get. Three hundred sixty nine minutes or something. And you know when we spoke on the phone. The I kinda brought up a couple things that you didn't even know I was on the team. So in Victoria I was nineteen year eighteen. I get to training camp and I hurt. Somebody I didn't know anybody Victoria, but they talk. Somebody talked about Kim clocks. Tough Guy. And also remember okay. Cut a noted who you were the very first scrimmage we had. We're on the same team. I said well. This is good, I have to fight the guy. And then. Halfway through the scrimmage, the whistle goes in the coaches. Cam You go to that other team and trade jerseys with that Defenseman, so I said okay. They're sadness up. And sure enough. The puck goes into your corner. You carried it behind the net instead of moving it. You kept the between you feet and I'm coming in upcoming, and you're not moving it I said okay here. We go and I hit you at both of us. The gloves are off and we had a good fight behind the net. And what I also remember Kim. Is So a day or two or three later, we went to Powell river for two exhibition games against lumberjacks. Do you remember that? Racial was on. That team took that little. Little area across their. Way Back. All the guys got sick in the ferry. That's true. That's true, good memory, and so we get. We got the Paul and the first game I was in the lineup. You're not in the lineup and they took advantage of US something awful. You know they didn't pick on me. They left me alone, but I didn't feel close to that team and so I didn't go to my way to protect anybody. and. You, said to me a hope I'm playing the second game and sure enough. They put you in the lineup the second game. And all the tough guys on the other team were playing tough because they thought it was going to be another game like the game before. And you will note there and Utah, two or three other guys. That game slowed rate Dow into no more physical game. They played the game against junior's. You straighten them all out and I'll never forget that. And so I. You don't remember that, but you did I I remember that game I remember. I remember him on. What you did a good job then. I remember. The coach took me aside in Victoria, and he told me I was the biggest disappointment in training camp. And that I had to get traded and ahead, newest minister broods interested in me and flint flying bombers, so he said. Where do you WanNa, go well. I wanted to go with Patti. Geno so I said I'll go to flint fun. They traded me there. And a few weeks later I wanna see Patty told me he said Cam. You're in Victoria. You know a guy named Kim clocks I said I do. He says I have a chance to get. The Guy should get him. I said Hell Yeah get the guy as so he traded I. Don't know whoever for you a couple of good players, and you came to flint flawed and Kim you know I. Think between you and I. We did pretty good physically on that team. I really do believe. That you helped me quite a bit by the Mona Guts and balls in stick your nose in every time. You've made me a better player. I WanNa thank you for that. Lasted about ten years we had some. We had some crazy times. You remember they were mad at us. In Regina, 'cause we are run roughshod over your your dad and I Chris. We're run Russia do. So they got this Regina Ram football player, big big football player put skates on. and. He had to hold the board going around. So is these going around. I'm trying to kick the scale for. Believed we did. You have to crawl in a brawl kept US Kim. Now that you said you tried to kick the feet out I. Remember one of the things you would always do. Remember if it was junior but I. don't pro. You did it in the warm ups you used to. Even if the other team was in their own end shooting, you would skip the full length around the ice behind the nets. Even the other ten teams end to Piss them off. To the point where they said we know clocks since coming here tonight, so eight of a would stand behind the net is no room. You didn't go round to you at through them. Do you remember doing that stuff so? One time in Indianapolis. Played Birmingham. And what they did is on were sent to motor early and them counterclockwise so I come out of the end Iran right over. Ran Ray over a yard sale helmet gloves. Everything's laying on. The ice may scurry down the in that was that was a game never heard of him. That's pretty good buddy. That's pretty good and so Kim. What are the? What was your playing? Wait I'm going to say two hundred pounds. I went from one ninety five to two four. Okay, and what was billed Oh he was like two twenty, two or something. Yeah, he was pretty hefty, and I remember. He wore a helmet that just win over his eyebrows. So if you're fighting, you better hit him in the face. 'cause you're breaking your hand. Yet A. LARGE-SIZED MELANIE! You know you could, you could get a couple of real good ones that because it was big enough a lot of room for. You know when I when I think about you. You remind me a lot of Marty. mcsorley Marty mcsorley started off just as a scrapper, but he worked hard, and he became a well rounded hockey player and Kim when you and I were in Flin, Flon, you and I were never drinkers and wouldn't have the tea parties. All the local guys will go drink and I wouldn't show up now because we didn't want to be part of the team. We just we were drinkers. I just remember after every practice Sarasate. I'll say every practice. I didn't try to get better so I could be a pro hockey player I just wanted to be a better player and when Patty name me capture the team I felt like. I had to be like the guard. Dog. Garden Sheep. And so you and I every day would stay after practice in recent black sheep up there. And we'd stay on the ice for an extra half hour an hour every night. Almost you remember that. It's. No I didn't I didn't drink in junior now. At all he. I didn't drink in junior. I wanted once or twice broke out. But lightly I was a commitment I did not want to I did not want to get into. That wanted to show that I was serious wanted WanNa play on Kalki. And, so what would you know on some of my podcasts? I've I talked about padded. You know and and when I I got into the Manitoba Hockey Hall of fame. And everybody else. That was getting in that they were talking about their stats and how they did this and. I didn't care about that stuff I people that I really do believe contributed to me making it in pro hockey at Patty Janelle was one of the five people that I think he believed in me. He didn't just sit on the bench and say go out and get that guy like the other coaches had done previous to that. What about yourself could you tell me? What did he do as much for us? He did for me. I think it was instrumental in my career, so you look at it. A played in Victoria in the coaching staff. And they don't get. We traded coaches halfway through my first year and got another coach and it was better. We went to training camp. Ira Training Camp we went to Powell river. That was my only game that year. I think I'm going to dress for one other game mega traded to flint lawn and got the Flin Flon. Patty was was a guy that gave you a water road. Tried to encourage. You wanted you to play your heart at wounded played aggressive wanted to. Encourage you he he did wonders for me. You, know we. We have quite an opportunity there. We represented Canada. At the Broadmoor Tournament we went to play direct questions us. You tied the US national team bronze medal. And ashamed they patty set that all up. And then he went, he bought Victoria went to Victoria Yeah. So. I think we would have done better. The only thing I was gonNA, say 'cause. You brought up the tournament. And you know anybody listing clapper. said it already probably say it again. You have more balls than anybody I know. He was tough man tough consistently, and he went to see the exorcist in Minneapolis. And I'd never forget it. He come back. You said he was so afraid of but movie exorcist that he had to sleep with the late on three nights in a row. That is pretty funny might have been four, but. Most goalies goalies were sitting there in sooner that blood squirt out of her neck goalies never opened her eyes again in the during the theater. Really funny is. That is pretty funny and so Kim. Just, so okay, so why did you go to W J? I, my reasons why I went. What about you? So Vancouver one stymie rate before. The draft. I I consider that no. I was hoping to go wrong I want. So. Wait for the draft and we went. My Dad would rather we went fishing. I come back from fishing. and called my mom and she said to get drafted by Indianapolis W. H.. So said okay. I was the first player taken second round. Gets Interesting I. WAS GONNA play the cello so? Got Drafted in the fifth round by Pittsburgh. And I don't get a call a couple of weeks ago. Still get a call so Scott. Regina calls me and said Kim the the teams in bankruptcy sheriff's padlock the door. You. You might get a call at training camp. We'll see if we're GONNA. Have Training Camp we'll. We'll get back to you. So Frank was. Are Your agent today to? Call Franken, said call Indian telman really interested. We're going a deal with India got. got. Good! Money got forty fifty sixty for mindy. Offered one hundred grand to go to Vancouver before the draft. So we go to our first game in Indiana to sheer spill. Indiana were playing the Minnesota fighting saints. That'd be fun. To beat the general manager after to get my contract and pick it up right first period. I light with Bracken Bury Them Carlson. Jeff Carlson so. It's funny. I find it all three of those guys to. That was the dance card that night. Yes, yes, okay, so from Indy. then. How did you end up with the jets? Because I mean that's year I was supposed to be with the jet stupid I went to Montreal because Houston folded. So were you there in the W. H. A. OR NHL? So, what happened was My second year in Indy, we've got a very good team. We're doing well, but the league's having trouble the. League's financial having trouble. Clears said Jock like playing near. He's coaches to buy a house here. He says no problem flagger. He says no problem. He says you'll be a franchise player here for for longtime. He could go buy a house. I. Go buy a house. And I don't even make my first mortgage payment in concord comes to us and say we all have to take fifteen percent deferral. Take fifteen percent of our paycheck. I said well. That's not my deal, so I said I'll play the season out and you pay me in July. If you don't pay me Humphry aged, so come July. They didn't pay me so like the free agent. Chance that could sign Evanston big and. Fat Stable tonight. We're going as a package to whitby excellent and it went on for. Three four weeks, and then that Korean said it's not going good for me. He said I got. The I want now, so they want Yo so you go there because you need money I went and signed with Winnipeg we went to Sweden. Camp Campus Sweden. Andres O. thought. Excellent excellent, and you guys won the Apple Cup the last year correct last two years we went to years I didn't realize that okay. Run that year, and that team was destined to win the Cup from I practice. Just scary. Good just so balanced when you look. At first line was unders all lobby next line you had Willy Lindstrom Data Radin Peter Sullivan. The next time we had hinton Nielsen. While while. Ericsson just a just a fabulous team, and then can you and then palace for on the t Berry Long Schumer? We. Teddy Green Ted. I just just a great, just Louis phenomenal team. Guys all got along good in fact, we went. The first twenty games or something. We got close to a loss. In I tore my knee out in Hartford team went and washed Tim Straits. Time for me to start to come back and team was a winning streak I couldn't get back in the lineup. Ha. Could get back into lose so but grits fabulous team. They unbelievable what they do. I get caught watching lot times just watching the play. Lobbying. and. It's like you say though you know what. They're outstanding talent, although Swedes, but you know the Swedes it. I played not only with the good hockey players. They were really exceptional people to, weren't they? Yes. Yeah, in fact, we had the fortieth anniversary. Of the First Cup they had union in Sweden. After that in the summertime, but it was raped at the same time. My youngest son Chris was getting married and I said I can't come this year, but we won the cups back back I said I'll be over next year. Sure enough last summer. A Darn I went over, and he spent eight days went to Finland, had the party in Finland, and saw guys, and then went to Sweden stayed in Sweden. Visited often unders Williams from statement really. Well for sure, so then you end up in Pittsburgh. Is that where you went from one to pick the? So we were a fourth place team in Winnipeg we. I wasn't playing much. I was unhappy. John Ferguson was a general manager, so I play rugged game and Ben, IBM stands, and so I'm I'm demanding to be traded him I'm y'all to coach. Coach tavern words. I have one on the bench. We a shouting contest him I come in after for comes in and says get your stuff. Pack Your Outta here. You're gone. You're slowing around shook hands all the guys in the dressing room and said. Hey guys thanks to know. Is just before trade deadline. Inaugural for exhaust. Sit down. You're not going anywhere. I just fired the coach, but in. Time. He? Time came in and Tommy was what we needed. Great great coach. And he had very good town. That team would have big jets. Second team had the Houston guys would have paid. Is Tommy Caveman? I might was curfew at curfews. Since. But? Tactically. Tommy was him. Billy subtle were tacticians. The game became in. We had a strategy lettuce play. Now like my style. Lakeway play Ferguson. He'd like. To play for those guys. We come up against Quebec. We blew through Quebec four straight. In fact will in Quebec and billow. But. Ends Scotty Campbell. Oh, no, kidding more. They open the door and I go on the ice. I'm looking down at this tooth this to look at dinosaur to look. More remote control. That came out of his mouth at. The side of this. So over. And the. Best of five rounds or go, and we went for straight net series. We're coming up against Edmonton. Tommy did A. Great job immobility S- cutting, not getting us down. We had set plays against Gretzky Heh. Down to a tee as they did. One thing we were set set plays to counter and. We rolled through them. We will through Levinson. Three, one of the series we went back to Edmonton. It changed the game plan. Fifth game. And we could win. In Evanston they changed, it went to four fence, men, savvy and event. It was seven. One when I hit the ice again. That pisses me off. Seven, one and I'm going what they wanted to give shoes ice, so they'll. Opened up seven one I got on the ice. I was just. Who did you go after? Who did you go after everything that everything that any within the end of my stick, so we ended up losing that game ten three. No. Through so the next night we go in to. Come back to Winnipeg and I I. Feel. They changed the game plan, so we get the home game back in the day. No kidding the revenue they they need revenue. Thinking back at it, and looking at the, they needed that game either gate. And they confident with two games to play we can you know put whom game we could? We did we came out and we eat them be at night. How well! When the Cup guys. On Team Lindstrom Very. Long user captive you. Got To know Berry apt in you know. Get Rid Preston worst which. We shut them down well when I. Think Boat You know when I. Ask about Pittsburgh one of the things that I was so impressed is with you when you played at Pittsburgh? I think it was one game and you know they had a tough team Boston. They probably had like five exceptionally tough players and I think you fought. Terry Riley Jonathan. Secord like. The same game. Did you not yeah so it was the first time? Joe Was my first NHL game. Played to make submission games, but went into Boston. And it was. Jonathan Secord Jonathan. Is the first time the penguins at one game in Boston in fourteen. Hour. I told you you make people play better. Because you got more Bozeman. What you do so well at business, you still kind of drop the gloves back in the alley or what I I sell real estate the same way you're on a team or you're not. It's been very good in fact It was it was easy to the change from real from hockey real estate for we well, your family was in real estate. I remember Saskatoon coming in by bus, and there'd be signs all over fields, Claxton, real estate or clocks and something everywhere I looked the named Classen so when you, when I saw that you were in real estate now I think you're in commercial real estate. Am I correct? I you know what real estate I just said doesn't surprise me. It's in his blood, and my dad was in it, and so I was always looking for what I'm GonNa do when I was done the game I I didn't think I was going to have a long long career. You Know Cam unit away played. It was like a kamikaze plane Quebec had a had a really good year Quebec. Good team good team, good coach we sell Berge runs a very good coach, and I was a free agent in Toronto came in so I signed with Toronto made a mistake Simon Trong went to training camp broke my wrist in the first game against Hartford in for three and a half months with a broken scaphoid, born in my wrist, got a little state license in the summertime against worked all taking lessons during the season than so arrested went back. Saskatoon went back for my dad to sell real estate. I lost to play so okay. Okay, I way. I played I had to. Roll every day I work. Eight ten hours a day. BREXIT! Couldn't time in real estate. So this might be a goofy question, but unless you overcame it inside. I thought you were fearless. Did you ever get scared and say man? I don't want to go after these guys, but I gotta or you just were fearless. I seriously like like I've said you got more guts than anybody I know nobody was safe on the other team. Like. Where did that come from? Good Challenge and I wanted to take a bite of that apple really. You just said. It's a challenge I got to see what how I could do. Wow. This time in junior. My first year, seventeen years old were played in Edmonton. That's when Shaw had the team. They had bill russell a been there Johnny Rodgers Nair, tobacco king brothers they had. They. Had A good team and he had not went up against their tough guy at that time. His name right now just. Was it johnny rodgers when he rogers. Bill Russell was pretty tough. I don't know Phil. was there then blatant was around? His name. Big Bud six to. Ten to twelve at. Knuckles Ron Reese to scrape the ground as you skated Yup. I reached out. I hit Rodas, so he came after me, and so I took a swing at him. He held me straight out. Helped me up. Skits. And it took a swing. Telephone ghost covered. Head stuck back, but I tried to get inside on. That was just just. Big Farm Kid just. Had My hands that. I like your answer, you know. You just show up because. You just want to challenge yourself. Win Or lose. Ever worry about breaking her nose. Not How did talk? Did you have broken your nose once or twice? I've got popped into Noah's. I got popped. I had a boy a bone bruise over this eyebrow for a year. Because everybody, get the you. You fight every fight three times a night. You you're gonNA, take, you're gonNA. Take those Cam. You know so you'll get your take. Take him some absence some good hints. Do you have any nagging injuries right now. I've got I got a need that I tore out deadman. Gives me a little problem. Back broke my back in. The Gives me. It hasn't been hasn't been that bad. You know a fractured. Eye, risks three or four times. DISLOCATED SHOULDER! This relocated my shoulder in the playoff game. In. St, Creek when you are in Flin, flon. Right. Remember that play, tell me about it. So, we're losing sixty five and I. Hi, stick somebody I got a penalty. They throw penalty box. Penalties up like among the penalty box. Get a break away in put the puck rated learn mulligans, feet, and great in the net. Take him the nets and Everything in that I gave six six. Fifty Post with my shoulder. The Post separated shoulder, but go to the band. Get him go overtime. And we got scored against the equity in overtime. That was season so I had. DEAL! I do remember that goal. Our bench was so excited for you to score a goal like that we are. Pumped Yeah, you know I only got one or two days a year. That would be one of you know as your dice Est. Yeah, so. I have a question. That I don't think I've I've asked. Anyone is what is what was a seventeen year old eighteen year old camp? Connor really like. As a son asks you if you can. If you can remember, and you can be honest if it's. Already. Live by. Kim Yam called me and said my son's GonNa. Ask You some questions about. You can't tell me the answers. I believe it. Yes. Talk the truth. Lots of stories for you, yeah! We're in Minnesota right don't. No Way! We get these red scheme candidate jackets. And so the elevator door opens his big guy with red jackets got a gorilla mask on. It's your dad activitists wire. Good guy good team guy liked to have fun. rectal critical joker US always trying to egg me on to Yo. Hey, you know he. All at you know Gillies Tonight Gillies. Looking for. Funding 'cause I. DIDN'T WANNA fight over that's. He's still like that with with the grandkids, the eggs. and. A practical joker yesterday he left a pretend bloody finger around for the kids to see and caused chaos, but they enjoy it. It's good times. So I would be. At the listeners would be disappointed if I didn't ask you who your toughest opponent was, and your most memorable fights. You had so many it might take ten minutes to figure that out. So in the HA my first year was nineteen, thirty, five, seventy six. We had fourteen bench clears. Really. Fourteen Times. We cleared the bench against Cincinnati. We cleared the bench three times in one game. Rick Dudley was never talked to me. No so that's old time hockey holy cow! Yeah, so any all these guys are tough. All these guys lot of guys were were very. A lot of good grandson. I gotTa believe Jonathan Pretty Tough. Tough Jonathan was tough. Secord was tough. Fulfiled would hang in there. Get in first time in Evanston. We're played in Evanston Winnipeg now. I'm down standing in front of our net meal gate and they let some ankle. So I said okay, so here's here comes to make down in on the face off circle. In so he's standing there, so they dropped the Brexit I give them a real good cross Jack. Stick comes was back. Like this, this is going to be tough. Who denied so? We are we had a real good back and forth back and forth Ben that night. After the Game Ferguson Command. He's just granted heavyweight fights. I love that Marie, too. So I had a lot whistling ankle, so we went to WANNA times. Well I, I was with Edmonton, and we were in Pittsburgh and as I recall it. Gretzky was trying to go around you wide and I remember saying to myself, oh. That's not a good move regrets you try to. And and knew you're going to have them. And you. Let me. Tell let me tell okay we'll hear your story. What happened was the PUCK got dumped in my corner in going to cross the of crease. And you could feel the back jacker coming up on me. So I held my stick out. Put my stick out at waist high. Hold back checker up to get to the boards. They didn't know that Gretzky was coming through the crease and Greg Milne had trip them. So Hell's gates up so Gretzky's coming in buy through the crease at. My stick three. You know just that. Just above the waist, high was little between waist shoulders. Mistake was on. In so. I caught him for ten stitches over the I I didn't mean to I didn't know what was there. Let us flying through the air, so he crumpled into the corner. Sure enough. nessie jumps in my back in. To the box, you jump on me, and then I had to fight them, so it's all tape I. Number of time so I get into box so good or boxing chatterbox in the box, and then referees have enough amoebae them, so they take me my helmet to make laws. They throw me out of the rink. So I walked down the tunnel. Helmet gloves from a helmet back on put back on around opened the gate. Come back out. Still going on I hadn't had enough. So I come out, so hunter sees me so hundred comes so hundred getting crap I give it one hundred pretty good. Sailor sees. Sees any throws water bottle at me. So at that time. The fans behind the bench collapse in the behind on hundreds of a family He gets involved. He's trying to stab. Say they're with this this big safety pin. So I get to water bottle. I'm squirting. Save with one hundred. As homes starting to stab with a safety, pin it end. Some ankle comes over and some echo when I get into a real good boat and I. I liked him up pretty good in referees grabby. Throw me on again, so they WANNA. Know that I'd come back and the ice they would. You been for six months. So that's it. Well, I remember when I was in there. because I went out with some inks after the game and. What's the makes it said that that he said this is what I remember. He told me was that you guys fought like five times that game and he said. Oh Yeah. I gave to clocks here I give it a Claxton and I said well. How come clock doesn't have one mark on his face and your eyes closed? That's what I ever. He couldn't see out of his I. Yeah! I smacked him a couple of good ones that that especially, the last one I opened them up pretty good. I didn't open. I oppose desirable because he couldn't play the next night in Buffalo or two nights later in Buffalo. With ice cores up on the PODCASTS. Dad Talks about his biggest regret in hockey and he gives advice so. Is there a a regret that you have throughout your career? That stands out. I. We went to Toronto probably. Like probably shouldn't have gone to Toronto. Is A kid play Toronto. boated better for you can go to Toronto. Regrets now I had pretty career. I enjoyed it, I played. I played as long as I wanted to. I did a lot of money. Ours is concerned. I played I. They paid me well. It was. You earn Germany Buddy. You're Japan checks. I didn't I wasn't playing for money I. was. You know I was I was making ninety two. Ninety three five in Quebec. was playing with guys that are making fourteen thousand four hundred year. Really. Guys were making fourteen thousand four hundred year as making ninety three five now. Some of the guys Bernie. Civilised guys were making two and a half. As, make good, there's there's guys in that time. Sutter's senator wasn't making. He says in his book. He wasn't making thirty. Wow. Happy with what they were paying so. I've had John and Chris and I. We've had John. Longer than maybe we plan to, but you an interesting character and I could probably seriously talked to another longtime with you and I just want to say that it was a real pleasure to play with you not so much fun playing against you. But you know you. You always made a team better when you played for him, you always did and. You are true legend? To a Lotta people and to me I'm your biggest fan by because you showed up every single night and I admire that trait. Thanks, gamma. I enjoy playing with you. You added a lot of toughness. Lot of offense Christie your, Dad was. He played on a line. There was one of the best lines in junior hockey. It was fabulous line you know, and your dad really grew with. That line gave him room. Let them let them play. A boy was it was a big part of our team? that. Those those memories, and like I said, but he it's forty five years or more. Like, where's the time gone? Man Like? Where's the time? God is the Blink Lincoln's gone yeah. Well Kim hope to stay in touch with you and again you're a good man and I appreciate you coming on our podcast and. Again I hope to stay in touch with you and thank you very much. Thank you very much, thank you. All right to thank you bye-bye.
Episode 71: Maximum Security, Bing Crosby, Whitney
"All right. Welcome back to racing rundown episode number seventy one, we got a lot of stuff to get to today. Don't want to waste much time. We are going to spend a little bit more time than we usually do talk about the racist from this past week, but it does warrant conversation. So we felt we would take the time to do that, and then we're going to get into stakes action for this coming weekend. Racing at del Mar and Saratoga across the country. So we got all that to look forward to but with all that being said, let's get into the racist from last week in the first one that we're going to talk about is actually one of the reasons that we only have positive things to say about. That would be the San Clemente which was won by Laura's light she. She's turned into a really consistent Morris over the past couple of races and you know it was really nice to see her her do her thing. I don't really have too much to say about her I wanted to just give her credit for the win and say that you know she built herself up into being a really nice force I'll give eric the opportunity to say, say a few things about her but nice to see her win and. Very happy with the performance that she turned in this weekend. Ultra impressive. Win she just. Has can be you can't knock on that. She's going to be running the delmore oaks likely next in a my own age graded stakes winner there when she wanted critic ten. Anita. Before the San Clemente. Is probably her Max who knows maybe down the road if he keeps me dinner the girls that she continues to do how she's been doing it. Her entire career may just see your challenge the boys at some point down the road 'cause obviously, there's no good British upgrades for her to try. So that's just a fun. Thought I. Think she has the power to do that I imagine this year though reasons like dumber oaks, the matriarch wait on the line are the target for her I also have to give credit to a horse right? Roy always liked to walk from the third placement ward showtime very consistent. Just a fun to watch especially if you've got to watch. For parents clubhouse riding warrants Banadir run. About five, six years ago You know just how fun these connections and how fun that billion. So cheesy consistent wanted to continue watching if you haven't already been. Moving onto the next race, the other greatest steak del Mar, and this is going to be the really unpopular segment on the show I did mention we did have a lot to say about some racists from this past week and in this is the first one and we've got a lot of not nice things to say and we're going to send them all. We're not. We're not going to thumper out here. We're going everything a lot of negativity. In, this from the perspective of maximum security and just the thing I don't usually sound off on the opinions, a other people in the industry, but just the fact that it was so out there and the bravado of a lot of people in the industry about this performance by maximum security was absolutely mind numbing for me. You know maximum security coming into this race I picked him last week and I'll be honest with that. I wasn't expecting to get a great performance out of maximum security. I wasn't expecting a Florida Derby level race I I probably think that's his most impressive visually but expecting into at least come off the layoff and look somewhat competent in this race. which is not what happened and you know any characterization that other than it was a really really subpar performance. He couldn't get past a horse who is a great to winner yes, Midcourt court but he's running in California and he's super inconsistent on the California circuit and the California circuit is not known for having extremely competitive. Older male route races and Midcourt isn't very consistent at that level. So there was strike one against maximum security and the fact that he took an entire stretch to get past him and he only beat Midcourt by knows, is another thing that you look at the time was extremely Slow for race of this caliber, and then also the one other point that I do want to address is Making a comparison to another horse in the Bob Baffert Barn that was coming in to his most recent win the Hollywood gold. Cup. I'm talking about improbable in a very similar situation. The maximum security was he was coming in the race with a lot of question marks. He hadn't won a graded stake since his two year old win-loss ominous fraternity and he took care of business. He won the Hollywood gold, Cup by three and a half links at in that particular race he beat Midcourt by twenty two and a half lengths midcourt finished fifth of six horses beaten by the likes of Brown storm and tenfold in that race So not your high caliber horses that you'd want. Be Be finishing ahead of you if you consider yourself top horse. So that is the horse that maximum security barely went by and took an entire length of a stretch to get a nose in front of If you took any other horse in the country and you ran maximum security at any of the top level horses on the Handicap Division, your Tom's Day ties, your code honors you're by my standards you run maxim securities race in San, Diego or the maximum security that showed up in San. Diego against that, how many of those horses are you going to take maximum security against and the answer should be zero because that performance did not warrant any consideration for being taken. To take maximum security against a horse of the level of Tom State talk if you were to run a horse like improbable or Mackenzie or even game winner in this race it would be the type of race where you would look at this and look at that and say that was a bad effort. But for some reason, maximum security is getting pass for this for whatever reason I'm not going to dive into that too much. But the reality is that this is not a good race for maximum security. Let's call it like. It is maximum security couldn't get could barely got by a horse that can't win a grave one against grass horse at Santa Anita that's the way that it is. It's not nice. A lot of people aren't going to like that I understand that but I'm calling it like it is. So if you don't like it a policies, but that's just the way that it is but Eric does have some nice things to say about able sedillo Bob Baffert. So I will turn it over to him to get a little bit of positivity in this. The and I I fully agree with what Jackson we'll add one more thing before I get some more positive notes on this race. I've seen a lot of people saying. This was being tenable ten. He's north in tenements eleven races. Why are we not him? It's one clear day writing is right on the wall why we are knocking his horse none of those races before that San Diego Madams it's a blank slate. I don't care what you think I don't care when you say that's a fact and less you condone what? Jason Service Kid? which that's a whole another discussion. But if you are saying that match them securities racist before the San. Diego counted then you're implying that would jason service did was not that bad in your one hundred percent wrong in that case onto the nice things now with Bob Baffert Listen however, you view him, the guy can train and have a horse that one hundred percent more word from Jason's services now was chemically enhanced. Tune, effective where he can can contend almost you know wouldn't cross the line person that Kentucky Derby for him to get that horse. You probably was not super You know in good physical shape after being taken off all those things of for him to have this horse ready alcohol pretty credible. The fact he had this horse ready to go run that kind of race horse looked great I for some people say the horse looked a little on vicar side meal maybe a little fat you're cleaner than he did with service. So I don't really know where that's coming from Babbel has its worst fit and ready for this race and able to deal. He's gotten the group of. Of the negativity of for winning the race and that is just don't get. If you know how to watch said you know how to analyze horse race you know that Won The race for maximum security he sent you got you broke really well Adam Upfront in through the opening hundred yards or so Nicorette spinoza comes in sends midcourt on the outside. He wanted maximum security to get into a speed duel and you wanted him to get out then then. Okay. So do you I guess wrote a bad race because he took his horseback and avoided the speed you'll, and then when when Flavian Pratt higher power up on the outside to do doesn't want to be in that pocket. He doesn't WanNa be trump on the rail. So he takes the Horse even further act in switches a mouse guess what he won the race for crying. Out Loud you can adjust he can jump off the horse off back on if that's legal in if you still race, why are you going to knock him? He won the race. So it's just nonsense as people looking for a scapegoat because his horse didn't win by five lengths because for some reason, that's what people expect it give credit to the people who deserve the credit because they got the job done it won the race you can all be happy for the time being. And I will add one thing to the sedillo thing if he goes up there and gets in a speed duel, you're killing him one way or the other you know everyone wants to hang able Sedillo now and you know if he had gone up there gotten a speed duel in maximum security head run fourth beaten six lengths by mid court and higher power or beaten by higher power because he in mid cork tire themselves out, you would still be killing him for that ride in the race. So honestly I feel bad for able because he was damned if he didn't damned if he didn't and. He really shouldn't I. It's not his fault. I put it this way. It's not able to deal fault that maximum security was not one hundred percent of what maximum security was back with. Jason. Service because for some reason, people were expecting the at that Erica's absolutely right anyone who is expecting to get the maximum security that we had gotten in previous races. You're completely ridiculous to expect that and if you expect maximum security to be competitive in any grade one race outside of California in the coming weeks then you've got another thing Comin' because he's not going to be with that effort he would not be any talking to cap horse in the United States of America this year. So switching gears to the other side of the country and talking about. The two stakes from Saratoga. This weekend, we actually got some nice things to say about sister Charlie, the two thousand eighteen breeders cup. Turf winner in the Eclipse Award. Champion. Female grass worst winter two, thousand, eighteen There was a lot of disrespect for her after this race for whatever reason I don't really understand again another reason why I don't understand why so many people were not I don't say impressed with it but didn't recognize the reason sister Charlie lost the race listen. You know we we've mentioned this before Chad Brown is a really good trainer off the layoff. That's fine. Six Charlie, was coming into this race off of eight month layoff where she had a rabbit entered in this race for her and the rabbit completely didn't factor so. It was a little bit of a mini shining copper. If you remember the two Thousand Fifteen Breeders Cup turf where North Broadway went went out there and Joel Rosario and how your Cold The bluff of Chad round, and so they took back, which is what you would expect them to do as really talented riders to not go up there and get an speed with north Broadway just to set the race up for sister Charlie to win so that really unravel the race for her when the paste setup her, it is also worth mentioning that sister Charlie, this would not have been in an ideal. Situation for Chad Brown, the race that he would have picked for sister Charlie come comeback in This is a mile and a sixteenth at Saratoga and it's very obvious. She was closing in the race that she needed more ground in this race and you know that's been the story of sister Charlie's career. You know you go back to some for big wins including the turf Churchill downs in two, thousand, six, the eighteen. Mile and three eighths she needed every bit of that distance. She won the race by a neck and that's not disrespect assessor Charlie. That's just the way the way that she runs her races. So you know she's in this race and it's not her first choice of race that is not necessarily an excuse for her but you know Chad had deal with the the blows that he was dealt entered her. In this race and to say that she's not you know I'm not saying she's an eclipse award or level winner. Breeders Cup winner this year. But to say this is Charlie ran a bad race would be doing a disservice to her so that's all I have to say about Charlie credit to the winner starship jubilee I was intrigued by her I didn't want to go against sister Charlie in this spot but. Obviously Hindsight's twenty twenty but I knew there were some things that I liked about starship jubilee credits to her. She's been really good You know another example of course has been consistent for awhile and gets a win in a race like this. So I'll give eric the opportunity to talk a little bit more about starship jubilee. I. Just wanted to make that point about sister Charlie. I agree with tag on Sister Charlie. She had a lot of excuses. I won't go deeper into it. This jack covered all the bases but she had her excuses needed more ground was the biggest deal for shortage jubilee This is just A fun. From Mariner here she does the job. She's so consistent talk for this year we can't knock for that and she just got better with age you super good Super Fun to watch. It's fun story. It's always nice to see You know lesser known connections You know winning these big races Um on the big days and hopefully it will get a US grade when hopefully I imagine that the debris. On the radar obviously, there's nice races like the Canadian and Taylor, which one last year at Woodbine in the fall this year. For her to target but hopefully, they consider the reader stuff with her and I have to mention how how lucky we are to have this philly because it's always talked about how she was claimed in February of two point seventeen for sixteen thousand dollars. I've kind of one of biggest claim to fame from sixteen thousand our claim to winning over one point five million dollars Brady stage after graded states and eventual winner little do people realize she claimed office luckily via the guitar to own your of true train in a partially own starship jubilee claim this mayor off Hor Hainault Varo in God only knows where this where this horse would have ended up. Patchy Ben. In that Barnstorming, they've never gotten to see how great she really was had. She lasted in our barn. So I'm very thankful. I can just kind of A. You know things working out for for the better. You know a good story I guess coming from from now all that drama we do have one really good horse that. Got Out of that situation after only one start in that barn and has turned out to be this amazing horse and I also give credit to the Palmy. Well, she's been very consistent losing to the likes of rushing fall into now. Start Jubilee in two or three US starts that's nothing to knock you off and finally the last race from Saratoga from this weekend was the great one Alfred Vanderbilt. Only four horses went to the post for this race saw LEXA Tony was a late scratch. I was four. Eighty. All these horses will actually going this result volatile was the only one that wasn't a grade when exiting this race, all four are now grade one winners and Eric will actually be the one who will defend volatile from that. Surprisingly, you wouldn't think that a horse that runs a really really good race at six furlongs. Saratoga you wouldn't think that he'd be having naysayers upper he beat three grade one winners A. High level stakes race. The Vanderbilt. Volatile did have his. His naysayers this week and I'll give Eric the respond to that. But good good race turn in by volatile. He's a really fun horse. He's ultra-consistent. His may have to go past wrongs but it doesn't really look like that's going to be much of an issue for him down the road excited to see what will get from him and definitely definitely wanted to look out for come Breeders Cup time. Very, impressive win in. The naysayers were quite a few. I won't lie I saw probably more than eight offer sister Charlie which I think says a lot but. I they were just unimpressed visually, but here's the thing a horse. Senate goes twenty, three and two for the opening quarter and forty six and three for the opening half mile in its sixth grade. One Sprint is not gonNA finish super easily he's he's just loping along. He's just GonNa? Do enough if he gone no forty four for the half mile. Yeah, you will be finished up really nicely. But when you go that slow, he's just kinda relaxing he's not going to do more than he needs to do and I think people were just. A little unimpressed visually, which I can understand he's done better but mind you he beat Whitmore Mind Control in forensic fire. I don't even have to elaborate on what they've done because if you're listening to this, you know what they've done their very impressive horses always put in amazing performances and their two of them are even worse that Saratoga ready so I think the the knocking of this is ridiculous And I'M GONNA credit who made this point I believe it was a Derosa from twin spires. WHO said who responded to someone who said they were just not impressed with that race saying. Howard not impressed watching a horse that has that much speed that we've seen in its past races in races like Aristotle and those allowance. When's he just has pure speed is flying along how were you not impressed watching that worst relax. Easily as you did and finish with the power he did like that I think that's very That's an unbeatable point there when you put it that way I hadn't even thought of that when you put it that way, it's like, wow, this is very good. Think about all the speed he was containing able to relax a horse when much pure speed and raw -bility is able to settle in be h as volatile was there's no telling what he can do in the future doubt as the super impressive would also one. Thing, that we do have to get to start this backup last week now that we do have a large volume of two year old races Eric Lights to do it. Eric. The Big Maiden Guru likes to go through and touch on some impressive maiden winners from past weekend. So give Eric the opportunity to do that. Now before we get into the racist coming up for this weekend. Yeah. Things things are really ramping up we had. I believe Ellis had five or six this past weekend Saratoga. A Lot. A lot of New York breads as well as open company. Dome. I I, my horses I liked they're allowed to choose from this weekend, I'M GONNA go in depth onto, and then I'll touch on two others very quickly But so the first one I really liked for for Dale Romans girl daddy she wanted at Ellis this past weekend very impressive win first time out she scratched from a maiden race at Churchill, a couple of weeks ago and she instead ran here. Of course like that to win I out very impressive. A nice pedigree I choose five, hundred, thousand dollars, yearling purchase. All family owned the likes of Dennis Moment. not this time Brody's todd. So really good connections behind in Philly and I that winner for del Romans very impressive next pedigree as well being by Uncle Mo some really nice names on the damn site as well. So the very nice very nice pedigree on this. Silly very nice winter I doubt expect your two point for some big rigs is down the road other horse from the Wesley Ward actually same exact connections at last year's Cup juvenile turf sprint winner four wheel drive is name is out the door I winner for work as the Shire Not A. Pet Pedigree but he physically nice course at twenty sold for two hundred, ninety thousand dollars as a yearling. Keeneland I think connects US four wheel drive. They said the first winter I went wire-to-wire Senate pretty quick pace and he did it very impressively. This is one to watch out for for sure as we get closer to the juvenile turf sprint, which is quickly becoming one of my favorite breeders, Cup, races, it's always very Beat a very group group in the process I think you're going to have a lot of next out winners from his race there a couple of others I want to touch on. There was a nice main winner at Monmouth. A quality competition obviously much less, but her name is flight to Shanghai Super Impressive Connections Attorney graded stakes obviously didn't be much but that was a nice win for her nonetheless and on the other one this is one that's just fun for me Jack because we despite not being able to you know live through it we we really appreciate and enjoy watching racist from the eighties ninety s looking at history from then we had made in when our two year old winner over the weekend for. Win Lucas in Peter Brand. which is a Combo most Miller probably with Gulch the nine hundred ninety Scott Sprint winner of name notary he won going a mile at Ellis Street sense big purchase price just fun to see those two to a chemo for a window with a nice young two year old who knows maybe we'll the breeders cup juvenile I came under this fall two other quick notes American Farrell got his first two winners of the year one in. Ireland wanted Japan, both Games are grid one winners So horse still gal four follow overseas racing and uncle Mo. he actually had a winner in the UK which is not very common but choosing how good of a sire uncle Moe's to have winters on multiple services across multiple continents and that's the last from the racist. This past weekend we're going to be moving on and talking about some of the races for this week and we're going to first talk about. Two of the stakes races at del Mar degrade grade one bing crosby. But first, we're gonNA talk about the. It's still ungraded, but it does have fifty Kentucky Derby points attached to. The shared beliefs stakes I did a preview for this over on Youtube. So if you WANNA go here, how super unenthusiastic about the the projected forces that we're going to get in this race because, there are six horses entered, but the best horse entered uncle chuck is like scratch and run in the travers stakes there some. News floating around the Ano- doors probably GONNA scratch for the Ellis. Park Derby. So I will lose two horses out of this race. But you know even if Anno door would on, it would only be a five horsfield none of the horses in this race None of the five had been super impressive to either of US at least publicly Eric has probably been a bigger. Naysayer of honor ap both have never been super high on him. Never Been Super High on the Horse. Is Probably GonNa be the second choice of the three point eight, million dollar yearling purchase Cezanne. Who is to for two but his two wins have not been great Adopt been great efforts for him. A thousand words. Also in here he's agreed to winter but thousand words has been. Seen better days since his two greatest stakes wins in the winter and then kiss today goodbye who knows with him he's a one time winner. But, you know anything can happen race like this ultimately as unenthusiastic as I am about Cezanne I'm a little bit more doubtful about honor ap being able to get the setup and erase this there. It's only going to honestly probably be the example of who gets to lead and who can you know I don't really think there's going to be speed tool and I don't think honore. P. would be. Able to get to the front in a race like this. So that's why I ultimately went with Sesana. If you want more my reasoning on in-depth analysis of these forces than definitely had over Youtube and check that out. But I don't really like either of these two favorites in here if uncle chuck does for some reason changes planes and run here, I will one hundred percent take him to huge in this race. I've kind of been dreaded talking about this race on the podcast because I don't have a lot of Nice things to say I'm a big college football fan and this is something I just thought of in my head and whole imagine some most people listen out there watch some amount college football understand what I'm saying. To me, this race would be like two teams from the American conference like. Central Florida in. MEMPHIS. Both undefeated in the conference championship game playing each other and whoever wins people would say they deserve to be in the College Football playoff and then when they get to the College Football playoff, which I guess is equivalent to the Kentucky Derby Right. Now, they get absolutely throttled by actually good teams that is kind of how I envision this this race right here I there's really no portion this race I like. But. I'm Kerry talent. Onery he's definitely the best so far that we've seen realistically. I really wish uncle chuck could win to kind of prove it these horse I've been very vocal about my displeasure grew it on t. with Cezanne those are really the two big ones. The other words I'm okay with but I know they're probably not much better than those horses So I'm just GonNa you know bite the bullet take on right? P. In reality I'm just going to be watching this race with with disdain knowing that they're going to win thirty employees impressively against that group knowing that they're not going to have much. Of Much of a say in the Derby outcome and the next reason we're going to talk about the other race that we have from del Mar is the one being crosby a winning you're in for the Breeder's Cup sprint. We actually recorded this segment yesterday when we did the podcast originally but Mackenzie scratched out so we decided we'd go back and reevaluate this race from the position of no Mackenzie in this race so even without Mackenzie this is still a very, very fun race Oh, it will be ultimately end up being nine horses but. Nine horses integrate one sprint at del Mar definitely not something to complain about, and there's really good horses in here underneath both of us were intrigued by collusion illusion. I ultimately went with Mackenzie just because I respected the glassy eyed. But now without Mckinsey here, it's not the collusion. Allusion is essential lock by any means but you know you look at him news four for four at sprint distances two wins this year he's been very good. He hasn't necessarily been beating the greatest of horses but that's not necessarily something that I'm going to knock him here in this race other than him also, I wanNA mention fashionably fast who ran second behind Mackenzie in the triple bed that was a very credible second and prior to that race he'd had a lot of winning efforts so. Fast as another horse it definitely underneath. Is One to consider considering there's also other really really good horse in here lexa Tony is another one that's not going to get a lot of credit because he doesn't necessarily have the winds. LEXA Tony usually runs. Some nice races he was scratched out of the Vanderbilt. Last weekend came out here. Be Ashamed to see what we get from him but even without Mackenzie this is still really fun race. Yeah really fun. If you want more my. Views on it then you can go check out my preview over on Youtube. But. Yeah. I go collusion allusion over Mackenzie, even before the scratch. I. Dislike how he's been a he's been running like that already has the win against older horses. It's really good now with the Mackenzie get a little bit more of. You know try to spice things of I think that wild man he's either going to be you know your second choice or he's going to be you know ten twelve to one I don't really know there's going to be in between but I think you'll be a nice price. I think people shy away from him because he's never ran on dirt. So while men Jackson I think people should consider and if you WANNA know why once again, go check out that Youtube preview I, I point out a lot of things that you can. Really. Things that bode really well for him heading into this race, and also really like fashionably fast he's just a very classy and. Very consistent a sprinter I don't know if he has the chance to win because he's drawn inside and you might be getting stuck in a speed duel, but he's a hard fighter and he's one at least to consider underneath. So now we're going to switch gears and move on and talk about the stakes races coming up at Saratoga. It's a really fun card. You know obviously, we only have time to talk about the fourth St graded stakes races on this card, but you know if you're just watching. This from the perspective of Fan, I would definitely encourage you go look at some of the other entries for some. The underneath raises because there's some really really good. There's a listed race also on this card, and then there's some really good allowances and you even some two year old maiden races. So definitely pay attention car this fun card regardless of what the stakes have but the first of the four we're going to talk about is the grade to bowling green and you know this is a very. Funny Race to look at because a lot of the Horse in here have been around for a long time. There's two three, three, seven year olds in two more six year old horses in here, and now a lot of horses are winning at high percentages. There's a Lotta as Eric said, we were going over this race amongst ourselves. There's a lot of twenty-five percenters in this race. Grizzled veterans you guys probably remember the five channel maker the six average joy they've been running for a long time. I actually slather stories the horse I ultimately went with and it's not because I think very highly of Sadler's joy. It's just because I don't really like any of the other horses in this race to too much I am willing to give joy the credit for his last three races. He's been thirds in all three of them and he ran a very credible third in the Manhattan last out the Tiller was also a good race. And then you know he has some success at Saratoga Saratoga including the sword dancer in two thousand seventeen. So ultimately, I respect him for his efforts that he's had at Saratoga. Again, he was second in the Sword Dancer last year. He's been through three good place efforts here including a really good last out in Manhattan. So it's not that I overly like him. It's just that I. don't really respect any of the other horses race enough to go with them. So I, went with joy but there's a lot of lot of routes you can go here. Purely cuzner just very consistent but. I mean, these are the horses we have in front of us, and there are one of them's going to pick up a nice to win I. Think I was really worried as we going into this at least recording this about the to cross border. On paper looks really good. He ran on July twenty second. He's only going to have ten days. Of a layoff before he runs this race and that's a little concerning. But one that very well and Mike makers just a good trainer does the job well, every time I don't think he'd be running in here if a can be wasn't. Confident horse run his best grace I will say that might make her has multiple horse in this race. So perhaps this this can be. however, I don't know that super likely I thought because the same connections do have the one low but cross-border winter last time out four for four. It's Era Toga is career that obviously very nice and he the one from one going the distance island three eight when he wanted allows Ecuador last fall in two thousand, nineteen He also was meeting just a link in the Manhattan was only second beating the neck in the WWL McKnight earlier on in the year January I I imagine he'll be favored because he's looking really good but on paper tardy go against him. Calgary, we'll throw some value out there the seven pillar mountain. This is a horse standing all the distance. You can get two for three with a second going a mile and three in his career. He has a win at Saratoga over the distance in the surface came off a long layoff to run A. I mean, it was just a sub par six against a tough group. Last time that was going a mile in eight and he needs a lot of ground as I said and I think I'm getting a backup to the smile and three eighths. He's going to be in a very good spot to a Toronto grace here and of one last point to you know back up hill to starts ago when he ran in November he was stirred the point of entry at Akwa Duct not many people probably don't remember that race, but the runner up Peret has come back to you on. The Tiller at Belmont and then almost one the United Nations a couple of weeks ago. So so good for behind Tiller Mountain and I think he's a long shot to consider the next race that we're going to get to ease the first of the three grade ones. The Allen Jerkins on this has the most horses in it of three grade wants this week and eleven are entered in this race, and again, this is the jerk. Always a really fun race in this year's definitely no exception you've got coming into this race, the number six words no parole last start out in the woody Stevens. Credit to Eric he made this point that you know he. Got An easy lead he'd be able to go a long way in that race. So you know you've got him the horse that I'm looking at and then ultimately we're going to pick in here is ECO town I really like Eco town in this race I remember. Back to last year. With with all the hype going into a lot and not that there's hype on. No parole but chance lot was the big speed horse in the race and it opened it up for a couple of horses to come closing in one of those was mind control and You know I think ECO town has a possibility to do that you. I will mention that in the bachelorette Oakland which race he finished second in prior to his allowance Churchill downs that he was second behind long weekend who did have trouble trip in his most recent start but long weekend is look really good this year So I'm going to go with ECO town because I really like His form and the fact that he's been really consistent overall has not finished out of the money in six starts in his career. So I like Eco town but this is the Allen Jerkins, there's a lot around you can go and it's always. A played play to go with the horses here. That's very true Jack This raises. Every year whether it's on top or underneath the finish is always wild. You're going to have a really big long shot winner or you're GonNa have an very. Well priced winner with a big long dot coming late nothing. That's Kinda how this is going up. This year, that's how it's always shaped up in this race historically, the speed is there I mean, no parole he was GonNa handed the Woody Stephen that I'm not going to discredit him because he was obviously superior on that day very talented sprinter but he he he had no excuses I mean he should have won with the way the race setup for him that's not going to be the case. Unless the writers really don't WanNa go with him again I believe that mission is Alex Tabby to win. They're going to be in the game early you're trying to challenge them even EPO town. I expected probably be just about link there to offer them not on the he's going to be right behind it and it's going to be fast. I like closers in this race. I'm GONNA, take a shot I think if the favorites eatable I'm willing to play against him and I'm GONNA go eight three techniques. long layoff has not rained since March when he was behind it all in the rebel of but he's one off the layoff before and he's to going seven furlongs. He's a winner at Saratoga where he broke his maiden, he's just ransom really nice races I, and he has yet excuse in the rebel when he was way too close to that early pace, he's going to be coming from out at this time round. And the to back in the Smarty Jones he ran on winning race he just couldn't run down the winner is a winner got a very easy lead it's going to set up well for him. I think this horse has a really big chance no parole I know he's going to run a good race he can go as fast as he want. And still as effective no matter the sprint distance six or seven furlongs I just think he has every chance in the world to be mowed down late in this group He's a lock at all. And then I do like Jack Stick Eco town run at least two big race he he's always going to be second to the likes of dough parole a Ni- opinion is a really good horse, but I just have Arkansas Bleeding hill he he'd out and sprints no parole but is always going to run his race. He's always going to be there never out of the money in six career starts and ask for eight range I just. I just don't get I mean that's bad for last time that wasn't impressive and now you're telling me that he's GonNa come up another big way somehow run better against a few other really good horses I don't see. At, all a rings, a gigantic paths for me, and the next recent we have is the group one personal ensign and you know we don't usually like to use the term lock on here but As the Ala Jerkins is very wide open. The person's is not You know obviously, you look at the chart for this race and you see the number three midnight be sue we don't need to go into what midnight who's done in her career. She's back trying to get her second consecutive win in the personal ensign last time out she took care of business in the Florida Lee and she was wrapped up very early in that race. So. Not a lot to go off of at least with that race but we don't need a lot to go off in here because we know what kind of horse midnight zoo as we know the talent we know the classic she has I'm not saying she's a lock, but I can't go against her in this race I, know both of us like point of on our lot she's a nice. Older. Philly. She was a good year last year but I can't go against midnight visa in this. I don't know about Eric but at least for me I'm gonNA. Take midnight the here can't go any other way here for me. Sack, it's IT'S A. Pretty cut and dry. GOING I. The biggest thing is that to knock her, there is no early speed in the race horse in this race as shown speed and this the mayor that used to come from off the pace. But even if you look back to last year's bell name when there was no pace in outrace, she went up and challenge sat second and she won for fun. So I imagine the same trip is in store here in the Ryder switch does not concern me at all Ricardo Santana obviously, very capable in replacement of a Mike Smith. Underneath it. Really. Doesn't matter a whole time. 'cause is just it's midnight easy over point of honor. Those are the two good horses in the race. I mean that the likes of that satit emotion emotion and abounding joy every now, and then they'll run some big races of when given the chance but. Eating. Midnight easy way out of their realm. Running a good second to midnight do is doesn't seem very possible with point of honor in here pretty easy top two for me. And I should mention we will have. Previews on Youtube for these three. Great ones even the ensign. Even though the race does seem like a very cut and dry and the last race we're going to get to is the feature, the grade one, the Whitney Mile Innate eighth on the dirt at Saratoga. Five forces are entered. It's kind of like the offered vanderbilt was last week. They're only five horses entered but all five or really good. Really solid horses. You can make a big chance for a and you know. I have been kind of I'll describe it bullish on time state TA in the past. Not that I didn't buy the hype into him but I always felt at some point, toms data was going to get to the point where. He would be very competitive in these great wines and consistently improved. But I never thought that he would get to the level where he would be a pretty much a cinch integrate one and I'm not saying he's a but there's a lot of people who do think that there's two really good horses underneath him this weekend by my standards and code of honor those two horses and improbable we've talked about him on the grass I have said I will never take improbable in a dirt race without Drayton Van Dyke in the saddle ever no-trade Van Dyke Line through improbable for me Mr.. Botha's Don thing is run well in the past but. You know he's always shown that these great ones. Are above his level. So I think those two are in a little bit over their heads but by my standards code honor, very, very worthy challengers of Thomson and Thomson What can you say about him that has already been said you know he's Ha- has the win streak. He's got the two graded stakes wins and then he also has a grade one. Clark. So lot of good things about. Times daytime. The thing about this race is unlike what we saw last week and these are actually Breeders Cup classic contenders and not pretending to be good horses that have a chance to run to the breeders. Cup. So I just wanted to throw that Little Jab in there I'm GonNa go at times detente here I've been burned in the past going against him I'm not going to be burned again. I kept waiting there GAK and you're you're totally right. This is an actual group. You know legitimate classic contenders not whatever we watched last week and then really a three-horse race three of the horses you could ask for. Right. I mean by my Standards Code wanner antibes top they've all been so good this year an improbable win last time out it was. FG went I I can't. Even, knock them a lot You're just right. Jackie is a little bit in over his head here and I don't like that Drayton then dykes not aboard. I had a hard time separating the top three but I think I'm really just not respecting Tom on my head. I mean forest winning streak to this point. Five of his last six he's a three time winner at Saratoga. In his career out four starts any of the Mayan Eight. It just all turning. I like bond bystanders a lot a horse but I can't. There's nothing that tells you that based off that last race that he can step up and he can actually you know be Thomson. Talk he had every chance to beat him and he got beat on the Tom Data. was just better that day and ask for code honor. I mean, we all know how good he is super to a Toga, his needed win and the travelers He'd been very consistent otherwise he had A. Mile being a little withing probably likes to turns more but. Does that is that really enough to to you know? Shorten the gap him and Tom Ta I. Don't really think. So however, John Velazquez has won this race four times and you know I guess you could say he does like to win the Whitney a lot. So he knows the race Gary Well, so that might give him a chance there but a town detente my in the United States is the better horse and so that's about it for. What we have this week again, lots of fun races one race that we did unfortunately have to leave off the Clement Hirsch. We don't have entries for that yet, but there will be a youtube preview offer that as we mentioned already, the two races at del Mar, those are already up on Youtube and the three Saratoga grade ones will also have their own previews. Those will be up. In a day's time at the most, but some of them will be up probably by the time that this episode is published a, we got the travers next week So we're really excited for that fundraisers races next week and really between now and September and even through September, lots of great races, lots of great racing, and like I mentioned, this card is really fun. We were only able to talk about the stakes races but. Underneath in these allowances, the listed race and even these maidens it's fun. So Watch this card and definitely definitely enjoy because it's a fun car. So we will see you next week. Thanks to stop by and have a good one. Good luck.
Case 165: Nicholas Barclay
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That's two months free of no hassle stress free shipping. Just go to ship station dot com. Click on the microphone at the top of the page and in case file that's ship station dot com. Enter off code case file ship station. Make ship happen era sites with serious and often distressing incidents in at anytime. You need support please. Contact your local crosses. Santo fa suggested phone numbers for confidential support. Play they show nights for this episode on your app or on our website carey gibson costs sideways glance at her sixteen year. Old brother nicholas barklay as they side in spanish airport awaiting their flight home he appeared on edge and didn't make contact nervously-giggling he's leg up and down leaning over nicholas whispered to his older sister that he was anxious about their impending long flight to their own. Means san antonio texas kerry tried her best to comfort him as the lance baker advised the waiting passengers that it was tom to board. She playfully elbowed nicholas in the ribs. Are you ready to go home. She asked nicholas noted well. Let's get the fuck out of she replied following a fifth day. Now of the siblings plane touched down in texas on october. Eighteen nineteen ninety-seven kerry whited while nicholas grabbed the smoke suitcase. Which contained he's only belongings from the planes overhead compartment kerry cokes younger brother from the plane explaining that day family. Was that the airport to welcome him. Home nicholas's mother. Beverly dulhadi whited in anticipation. Shave watched from the jet. Bridges passengers disembarked from the plane craning her neck to spot nicholas and carry other family. Members stood back with a video camera in hand to capture the momentous occasion after nearly three and a half years nicholas barclay. I was finally home. More passengers emerge from the jet bridge and gradually the crowd began to thin carey was amongst the last to disembark when beverly sputtered her. She pointed and waved walking up the jet bridge with nicholas who ambled along with a slight limp as they approached their whiting family carries fourteen year. Old son cody rushed up to them to help. Nicholas with these suitcase. While the rest of the family gathered around in awe. Beverly studied her son. Nicholas's shaggy blond hair fell around his eyes which were concealed by his sunglasses. He's math was covered by handkerchiefs raptor. Andy's face he looked older but he's nose was still the same. Just lucky uncle. Pat's beverly went up to her son and embraced him tightly she felt him bristle untold herself that given he suffering over the past few years he might be resistant to human touch. I love i-love-you. She told him. I love you too. Mom nicholas whispered three years and full month earlier. Thirteen year. Old nicholas lie left. He's family san antonio home in frustration with a reputation for being troubled. Pain nicholas frequently skipped school and when he did attend he was often in trouble for being disruptive he's home life was equally unstable single mother. Beverly dullah was a high functioning heroin addict who worked seven nights a week at a local donuts door to provide for her family. Nikola softened lashed out at beverly heating and cursing at her and the police had been called out on a number of occasions to breakout arguments in an attempt to control nicholas outbursts. Beverly asked geraldo son. Nikolas brought by jason to move in having jason dair initially diffused tension between bedi nicholas. But as tom went by jason who was in his early twenties and also struggling with drug addiction came caught up in the family. Fighting dare arguments could be heard from neighbouring properties on june thirteen nineteen ninety-four nicholas decided to blow off some steam. After a fought with these mother bus shooting a few hoops at the local park. He had a law on his mind. He already had a juvenile record and was due to faces sentencing. Hearing the following day this was to address a racing event in which he had broken into a convenience store and stalin a pair of tennis shoes. One possible outcome of the hearing was that nicholas could be placed in a group arm a prospect that greatly distressed him before nicholas left pressed the fog dollar bill into. He's hand her only instructions with him to be back home for dinner shea then retired to bed to sleep in preparation for her not shift. That work light that afternoon. The phone rang at the house. Jason answered was nicholas asking if these mother could pick him up from the park. Jason told nicholas that beverly was still sleeping and he'd have to walk time nicholas. Barklay never made it home for dinner that night the next morning following not shift at the donuts door. Beverly reported nicholas missing to local. Police nicholas had a history of running away from home and the offices were initially unconcerned by his disappearance. They speculated that nicholas was avoiding he sentencing hearing and reassured beverly that he would likely show up after a few days as he had done in the past. Beverly couldn't shake the feeling that something more was amiss. Shea and nicholas is older siblings jason and sister carey when about the neighborhood putting up flyers and knocking in the hopes someone had seen the blonde haired blue wad slim. Tain police interviewed beverly's baugh who told of the many arguments shea heard coming from the house particularly after jason had moved back in with nicholas and his mother wakes passed with no lades. Nicholas's disappearance gained little media attention. He's family felt that authorities had minimal interest in trying to locate the missing tain diagnosed with attention deficit disorder and naturally trusting of strangers. Beverly thought that nicholas smart have accepted a lift home with an unknown person and met with foul play. She spoke of her sons loving nature. Anyone who would listen hoping to sway the local perception that he was unruly teenager. She remembered how affectionate hey could bay and thought about. He's taught warm hug often three and a half months off his disappearance a small glimmer of hope that nicholas barklay was alive and well presented itself. Jason was returning home one afternoon when he saw nicholas trying to break into the garage of their low set modest brick family. Time when nicholas court saw jason Disappearing down the straight jason. Find the local police and an was dispatched to the house Hey conducted a search of the premises and the straight blocks surrounding time but could find no sign of nicholas despite this promising laid there were no further sightings and the case turned code as the months. Dis went by nicholas. Family came to the conclusion that he had most likely died. Had he been alive they were certain he would have reached out to them. Jason's cocaine addictions borrowed out of control off his brother's disappearance. Anti checked himself into a rehab facility. Nicholas's sister carey. Who was twenty seven. When her little brother went missing told the media it came to the point. Where you know. You're not going to find him alive. But you just wanna find out what happened to him on october. Seven nineteen ninety-seven descent. Antonio police department in texas received a phone call. it was from a police officer in the bustling city of llaneras three hundred columbus south of the spanish capital of madrid. He introduced himself as officer. Jonathan dorian and told the police had some important news nicholas barklay had been found alive and well wondering the streets of llaneras jonathan. Dorian used the police often questioning nicholas would be transferred to a local homeless shelter for children outside of llaneras in the spanish countryside while he waited to be reunited with his family he gave this san antonio police department the contact details shelter telling them that. Hey was i've assaying nicholas's case there. An office off from in antonio police department phoned the donut shop. Y beverly d. Lod worked to tell her than us. Beverly wasn't working at the time. So an employee scribbled down the contact details of the children's shelter llaneras comprehending the gravity of this situation. The employee phoned beverly immediately and dive the next few days beverly tried desperately to contact opposite jonathan dorian however every time she called the show she was met on the end of the lawn but someone who spoke no english causing beverly to hang up in frustration after a few days nicholas assist a kerry tried calling. The phone was answered by officer. Jonathan dorian hey told kerry that he actually had nicholas sitting right beside him however he was too scared to talk to her on the phone in he. Strong french accent officer. Dorian explained to carry that nicholas had confided in him that he had been abducted from his home town in san antonio and seiken ola the europe in secrecy he had been sexually abused as part of a pedophile. Sex ring. nicholas didn't recall much of these loft prior to the abduction carey began to cry and office. Dorian held out the phone to nicholas so she could tell him how much she loved him in response. Nicholas whispered take me home. Nicholas was family wasted. No time in organizing to get nicholas back to beverly's fear of flying kerrey volunteered to go to spain today. Reunited with nicholas. Money was taught in the family so carries workplace paid for her ticket allowing her to bay with nicholas soon as possible. It was the first time. Carrie had left the country. One week after the initial phone call from the san antonio police department carey gibson arrived in spain. She was met at the airport boy. Employees of the shelter and driven out of llaneras down the remote and winding roads into the spanish countryside carey was nervous to set is on nicholas often nearly three and a half years. She wanted what he had gone through to wind up so far away from home. Arriving at the shelter kerry graded the staff and was escorted to a concrete courtyard. She watched as children ran and played around her surrounding the courtyard with toll stone buildings than accommodated that children at the shelter looking up. She saw the curtains russell to one of the rooms and nicholas face. Pd de she waved to him calling for him to come down so she could say him. Ten minutes pass before nicholas arrive in the courtyard wearing baggy clothes. A skop sunglasses and cap. He walked up to he. Sista apprehensively has shea studied. He's face and touched. He's knows commenting that it was just like. He's uncle pat's they hugged and nicholas whispered to carry how much he loved her. The two were scored a to a quiet visit as room where kerry showed nicholas photographs of their family that had been taken in the years. it had been absent. Nicholas declined to reveal how he had ended up in spain and to carry. Didn't push him certain he would have been up when he was ready. Kerry held nicholas his hand as they sat side by side studying familiar. Small tattoo of the leda tae. He had between his thumb and forefinger. Once they had spent some time reacquainting themselves carry gibson along with the employees of the shelter. Organized getting nicholas home to us. Soil kerry phoned san antonio fbi agent. Nancy fisher who listened in disbelief as carrie explained this situation in all her years. Working in the investigation of child abuse the special agent had never heard of a child going missing in the us. I to turn up wondering the streets of a european country y- lesnar. Although a spanish judge had cleared nicholas to return to the us. i immigration wouldn't allow it because he didn't have a us passport working with the us dight diplomacy and the us embassy in madrid. An emergency passport was organized. Finicky list the same day in return for her assistance special agent nancy fisher requested that nicholas being viewed promptly after he returned time so he's abductors could be investigated by attain on november four nineteen ninety-seven fish us stead at the teenage boy sitting across from her desk at the national center for missing and exploited children in san antonio. He appeared very nervous and uncomfortable as nancy. Questioned him about his ordeal little by little nicholas. Baak-laih opened up and shed the terrifying details of his abduction from the very beginning on june. Thirteen nineteen ninety-four. He'd been playing basketball at the local park went. Two young men approached him. They began talking to nicholas and the next thing he knew. A cloth was pressed to his face and he passed out. Through the use of military planes overseen by high ranking military offices nicholas had been taken to europe and constantly moved to various locations. He wasn't alone with him. What dozens of other boys who would also bena abducted and lock him with a bang shipped around european countries to be used in the pedophile. Sex trade nilly every not nicholas was drugged with chloroform and to write his hands had been broken with a baseball bat. He's left foot had been broken with a crowbar and he had been tortured and experimented on one. Such experiment involved is being injected with various. Natal's nicholas detail. The tactics that he's kept used to confuse disorient and force him and the other boys to behave. He was beaten if he spoke english and was forced to wear head fines. That contain two screaming. Voices saying you know you in different languages over and over in order to discuss the boys. Nicholas barklay told. Fbi agent. nancy bishop that their hair was collared and a solution placed into their is to change their cala. As a result he's had changed from blue to a deep brown nicholas made. He's escape when someone left the door slightly ajar to the room in which he was being held captive sensing an opportunity. He ran out the door and found himself in a long corridor crying. He wouldn't be sane nicholas ran the length of the car door finding an exit door at the end to that opened out onto a straight. He then ran for his life after a few hours. He came to the realization that he was in spain. Nicholas found a phone booth and cold. The police station. Who picked him up. Nancy fisher was deeply can nicholas's recoun- of the events he had been subjected to. She told him she was very sorry. He had been through such a traumatic ordeal and fat to him that they would find nicholas captives and worked. Afraid the other children who had been abducted. Nancy instructed nicholas and his family to refrain from any media interviews explaining that it could compromise her teams investigative efforts if word got out that they were actively searching for nicholas's captors nicholas barklay and his family a great following the fbi interview. Nicholas is family decided. A routine approach would be the best way to help nicholas adjust to his previous life. Because of beverly's long working hours he moved in with kerry and her husband. Brian in this secluded. Try la on the outskirts of san antonio due to a lack of space. Nikola slept on a mattress. On the floor of carries son cody's bedroom. He enrolled in the local high school catching the bus to and from school. Every weekday popular in he's classes nicholas quickly and easily made new friends after school. Hey into cody would hang out at the logo skate park. It wasn't long before nicholas had his first crush a logo. Nine daming and the pair talked on the phone for hours. He's family were extremely supportive of nicholas and did their best to accommodate. He's every request however it wasn't long before nicholas's unruly saad begin to show again to wake software returning home. He stole carries car and went on a road trip blaring. He's favorite potest. Michael jackson from the cost baker's. He was arrested for speeding by local police in oklahoma. Who agreed not to prosecute. Nicholas judy to he's troubling history. He also got from school and on occasion would fought with carey. Son cody nicholas's family forgave him. Every time blaming the outbursts of behavior on his harrowing ordeal while kidnapped following his trip to oklahoma nicholas moved back in with his mother. Beverly the one family member nicholas hadn't seen in his first few weeks back. Heim was his older brother. Jason struggling with drug addiction. Jason was in a rehabilitation center but six weeks. After nicholas arrived time. He went around to say he's little brother. Had a barbecue organized by the rest of the family jason regarded nicholas in a standoff. Ish manner looking him up and down and refusing to hug him a few minutes. Jason beckoned nicholas to go out. Saad where they could have privacy from the rest of the family. He gave nicholas a gold cross on a necklace and said good lock He then walked away leaving. Nikola surprised and confused despite nicholas family remaining tight lipped about his return. It wasn't long before local. Media got wind of the missing san antonio sane who had been founding spain and reunited with his family in november nineteen ninety-seven a produce off from the tabloid television show. Hard copy hired private investigator. Charlie pokka to do some digging around in the hope. Hey could identify and meet the teenager for an exclusive interview. Charlie pokka a former police officer with a special interest in tracing missing children was well and truly up to the task known around the area as gumshoe. The amiable charlie pokka phoned. Fbi special agent. Nancy fish to inquire about their child shaken to that. The story told to him by hod copy was correct. Helluva refused to give out any details about nicholas barklay. Oh he's family undeterred. Chali began looking through missing persons in the area of san antonio when he came across nicholas he tracked down beverly dolor hod who can fund that. It was her son who had return time guest. The fbi's wishes nicholas agreed to give a television interview. Reclined on the lounge. In beverly's house nicholas sat while camera crews setup antietam wearing ten. Let's jacket sunglasses. And a wide brimmed for dora stall hat nicholas explained to the details of his capshaw to the listening reporter as well. As featuring on hardcopy excerpts of view had taken to play on that evening's local nightly news sitting behind the camera crews private investigator. Charlie pokka watched on aged in his fifty s. The will locked detective. Watch as the interviewer asked to nicholas about details of the ripe he had been subjected to. Charlie's spent many hours of his time working for charity that dealt with unsolved children's murders and as he observed nicholas before him. He knew that something wasn't right. There were many inconsistencies. That struck chali as odd about the teen's behavior. He spoke with a thick french accent. Although nikola explained this was because he was not allowed to speak english while being held captive noticing a photograph of nicholas barklay as a child nearby. Chali picked it up as he studied it. He felt the hairs on the back of his neck stand. Up charlie was immediately struck by the stock difference in cal- between the photograph and nicholas sitting on the land in front of him. Charlie recalled article he address. The pace was about how scotland yard identified martin. Luther king junior's assassinate. James earl ray at london's heathrow airport but comparing a photograph of his ease person z's a review unique has a set of fingerprints lighter that not on his personal computer. Charlie compared still taken from the dies interview with missing poster depicting nikola at the time of his disappearance using adobe photoshop he aligned the years for comparison. They were close but not a match. He had no idea who the person was who had given the interview early ad that day but chali paka was sure of one thing. It was not nicholas barklay. Chali phoned special agent needs. Fishe listened to his theory but initially dismissed it as nicholas's family had identified him and was certain that the tain was nicholas barklay recalling the fbi interview with nicholas. Nancy remembered that she was initially struck by his appearance. She was expecting a teenager with lot faith.'. And was surprised when someone who seemed much older than attain with dhaka's and a five o'clock shadow presented himself although he's had was blonde he also had doc routes coming through as ray growth conducting some research. Nancy learned that there was one drug to treat glaucoma that could alter rock cala but certainly not to the extreme where they would change from blue to brown. Meanwhile the investigation into nicholas's kidnapping as part of an international sex ring was going nowhere although going into great detail about the physical and psychological trauma. He enjoyed nicholas could not recall any details that would assist the investigation such as locations or descriptions of his captors in february nineteen ninety eight full months after nicholas returned home special agent. Nancy bishop spoke with doctor bruce. Perry shaded needed advice from the world renowned forensic psychiatrist who specialized in children suffering from trauma. Doctor bruce perry was the husband of alice. Perry fate in episode one hundred and thirty seven of case file. Nancy organized for dr perry to interview. Nicholas the hope was. He could extract from him some useful that would further the investigation. Doctor bruce perry also agreed to assess whether the nicholas was an american and put to end the speculation that he was someone else. Nicholas was flown to the texas children's hospital and met with doctor bruce perry as soon as nicholas introduced himself alarm bells. Rang for dr perry. Hey listened as nicholas recanted his ordeal noticing that he did not display any of the physiological or behavioral features commonly associated with those recanting traumatic events such as dilated pupils edginess and to not brought pasta. Instead it appeared that nicholas was retelling a one that had not happened to him after interviewing nicholas for several hours to biggest red flag to dr perry that nicholas was not who he claimed to be was. He's frenchaccent duct to perry phone to nancy. Fishe explaining that had nicholas spent the ease before he's abduction. In the usa he should have reverted to an american accent. Not the thick frenchaccent. He was unable to drop. Pay told nancy that. Hey could guarantee the person presenting as nicholas barklay was not in an english speaking family as nicholas boarded the flight back to san antonio nancy fifty code carey. 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Shy approached them as the impostor and carry embraced kerry showed no signs of being frightened. Nor did she question him about his identity. She seemed excited to see him and inquired about his trip to houston. It was as though the hulk compensation between herself and carey had inevitably complies after seeking advice from the assistant. Us attorney. Nancy allowed the impostor to return home to beverly's house with carey gibson. Nancy knocked on. Beverly delayed door a few days later. The pasta voluntarily agreed to go with her to get a blood sample for dna. Testing wants inside the clinic. He became infuriated stating that. The nurses were staring at him as if he were the pasta left. That clinic refusing to cooperate with nancy's request. Beverly was also not cooperating refusing to give a blood sample to nancy so she could confirm the two are related instead. She threw herself on the floor of her home telling nancy that she knew he was her son. And didn't have to prove it openly hostile. Beverly accused nancy of trying to take nicholas away from her. For a second time the impostor continued to protest that he was nicholas barclay and unable to force the family day testing while she waited. I search warn. Nancy decided to employ a different tactic to prove to nicholas's family that he wasn't their son. She took photographs of him and other family members to a forensic goddess that the fbi are to compare bone structures of the individuals to her surprise. The oddest concluded that the photographs showed more similarities than differences in addition diem pasta. Whose case was still being pursued by. Providence investigator charlie. Pokka a great to sit for a polygraph test on television. when asked if he's identity was nicholas barklay. He paused in early march. Nineteen ninety eight. Nancy fisher received a search warrant enabling her to take blood samples and fingerprints from the in pasta with no other option. Hey angrily obliged and. Nancy sent the results to interpol in the hope they would find a match while waiting on the interpol results. The pasta shed some further information with nancy fisher about his abduction. According to the age when he had been abducted he was held for a time with the teenage boy named till crash from berlin. Who had been kidnapped. A year off to him in july nineteen ninety-five when nancy checked their records. She found the missing boy she contacted. He's mother who agreed to fly from berlin to san antonio tools. Mother sat with the pasta and pay our chali pokka. Charlie drew the outline of a buddy to test the pasta and asked him to walk on the outline any distinctive markings or scars. The boy had took the paper and mark some scars on various pa of the outline. As soon as till's mother looked at what he had done she knew it was lying till had a prominent scar on his forehead. That would be immediately noticeable to anyone who had seen her son. The next day the impostor met with charlie pokka in a local dawn on the private investigator was of the opinion that the pasta was a terrorist spy sent to infiltrate the usa through an american family. Charlie asks to me to discuss a phone call. He received the not before from beverly. She had called charleen. Tease explaining that a friend had given nikola so lifting her car and driven past the block of flats that used to live in for years nicholas had loved living there and new nearly all the residents to her surprise. He mentioned nothing about his left. There and beverly admitted the charlie that she was having her doubts that it was nicholas after all. They ordered hotcakes and took his seat at a booth. As charlie explained to the pasta the details of the coal concluding you'll mother's real upset in response the pasta stead chali in the eyes and said my name's not nicholas and ye know it. Charlie felt he's hot bait fast data as he asked the person in front of him who he was. He replied on frederick in and on wanted by into ball. Lock nicholas barclay. Frederick bored-in also had a troubled childhood. He was born in nantes france on june thirteen. Nineteen seventy four to seventeen year old gislaine boden and now jerian father. Huge iselin met at the module rain factory where they worked when jerusalem discovered. She was pregnant. She also found out that the father was married with children so she quit her job and never told the man about the pregnancy. Frederick suffered miserable childhood. He inherited his zoli skin. Dark hair. And doc ause and often dealt with racial insults obeying. The son of nigerian living in france as a young child frederick did not receive much love from his mother and when he was approximately five years old. His mother sent him to live with his maternal grandparents. In muschamp a region of france four hundred kilometers west of paris. He would make up stories to his classmates as to why he was fatherless including that his father was a british secret agent at twelve years. Old frederick borden became difficult to handle and frequently misbehaved. Unable to look after him any more his grandparents sent him to live at a private facility for juveniles in nantes frederick enjoyed his time in the time and lived there until he was sixteen when he was moved to another home for older children. In this time frederick began to rebel running away but short stints. I only to be picked up and returned to the heim by local police. He began to lie to the police telling them told tiles and watching how they would respond. Dreaming of a in. England frederick h heart to paris and told officers. He was a british teenager named jimmy. Sil- the police officer discovered. That frederick spoke little english and he soon confessed to the law and returned to the youth. Heim this was the start two years of deception. once frederick turned eighteen. He was released from the children's home to build a life for himself. Frederick missed the comfort and care if the children's time so he began to pose as various children creating fake aliases and moving from shelter to shelter orient europe. Leaving before he's true identity was uncovered. He was called out multiple times and had his fingerprints on record with interpol for rays of future identification in october. Nineteen ninety seven frederick bored-in aged twenty three phoned the local police in llaneras spain. He remained anonymous telling the police that he was a tourist who had come across a frightened teenager in a phone booth. Who wouldn't speak to him. He estimated that the boy was approximately fourteen years old. Police officers arrived at the named phone booth. To find frederic bourdin posing as the terrified tain inside after being coaxed. Out of the fine booth. Frederick was taken back to the police station where he refused to talk to offices and bailey may dr contact dressed in baggy clothes with a basketball cap. Pood- either he's is frederick eventually confessed that he had been sexually abused but refused to elaborate or identify himself with no reason to cape him at the station. The police organized for him to be transferred to a local children's shelter. Inland harris at the shelter. Frederick bull pin was questioned further about his identity refusing to name himself. He's case was handed over to a child. Welfare judge who told frederick twenty four hours to prove he was a teenager or he would be photographed and fingerprinted. Given that frederick prints were on record. He decided he needed to come up with a plan to prevent this from occurring as he would likely face jail time. Hey considered running away but the staff at the shelter. What keeping to close in on him for him to make a break instead frederick. Bored-in felt he only had one option he needed to become someone else. Frederick bulletin had always dreamed of going to the united states of america in the land of the free. He figured he could reinvent himself. And deliver loss of oppotunity. Frederick told the staff at children's heim that hey was an american who had run away from home. He promised them that he would identify himself but asked if he could find his family in the us. I the concerned staff at grade and allowed frederick. Dispend the nod in the office so he could use the phone of naught to allow for the time difference between the two countries. Frederick thought of way he wanted to live seattle was of interest to him so when he was alone in the office he find local police stations of seattle introducing himself as police officer. Jonathan dorian hey explained. He was calling from spain and that he had found a teenager he was sure was from the usa. But was not cooperating with him. Frederick listed off. he's own phages. He was careful to cape them. Vague enough to match the descriptions of multiple missing teenagers short slim build prominent chain brown hair and a gap between his teeth. He was put through to the center for missing and exploited children in arlington virginia. He gave the same story to the woman on the lawn and wounded while she looked through her records after a moment she told frederick that she had a missing child who might attain job. They were looking for she. Read out the details of nicholas baak-laih missing from san antonio texas for three years and four months although not in his dream cd of seattle frederick asked the woman to facts through a photo of nicholas and anxiously waited as he's details came through the office. Fax machine it was of poor quality. And as frederick studied the federal graph. He thought he looked similar. Enough to pass detain lighter speaking on the documentary the pasta. If he's bay missing for three or four years guarantee one thing that will change if there is a change that will be dead if there is doubt then i got a chance. He told the center for missing and exploited. Children that he had in front of him was in day to nicholas barklay and he was given the number of the san antonio police department. Who in turn contacted nicholas's family. He also finally told the staff at the children's home he's name nicholas barclay. The next day frederick intercepted an urgent lead us sent from the center for missing and exploited children address to jonathan dorian. At children's time it contained a high of quality. Image of nicholas barklay when frederick boarding. I laid eyes on the photograph. He's hot sank with blonde hair. Blue eyes and fisk in frederick did not come close to resembling nicholas was told her employees as that the us embassy was on their way to make with him and didn't panic. Frederick trump to run. He was picked up trying to hitch out of llaneras but the us voss consulate and a staff member of the shelter and returned to the heim not seeing any other way out of his predicament. Frederick said about trying to disguise himself to look like nicholas. He thought he's had belonged and noting nicholas had a visible tattoo met with attain at the shelter. Who did small tattoos shea tattooed on his left hand between his thumb and forefinger with the ink from a pen and a needle. The final result looked to just locking nicholas's although it remains unclear. How frederick was present in the staff office alone when nicholas sister carey phoned the shelter looking for him. Hey pretended to be officer. Jonathan dorian because kerry was so desperate to speak with nicholas hey pretended to be him whispering. Take me home to her. Within the next few days frederick was informed by the directa that kerry was on her way to the shelter to come and get him certain that he would be on covered. Frederick locked himself in his room when carey arrived. He donned the baggy clothes. He could find as well as sunglasses a scarf and cap to try and disguise. he's faith.' to he's autism. Prize carey gibson did not balk. When frederick approached her in the courtyard instead accepting he was nicholas baak-laih immediately as they sat together looking at family photos. Frederick made vache comments. Lock mum looks the same to the delight. Of kerry frederick couldn't believe he made it this far petty still had one funnel hurdle before he could make it to the usa. The child welfare judge responsible for sending nicholas home was not convinced. Frederick was nicholas barklay. He ordered frederick be shown five photographs from carey's photo album in his presence so he could watch frederick identify those in the images. The judge was unaware that carry had already shown. The fed is to frederick and so he was able to correctly identify people in the first four photographs in the loss. Fidai frederick maiden era but by that time the judge was already convinced the twenty three year. Old french algierian man before him was sixteen year old. American nicholas barklay carey gibson was equally as convinced believing that he's mannerisms including speaking with a french accent and whispering. Wood you to the trauma. He had suffered on october seventeenth. Nineteen ninety-seven frederick was photographed and given an emergency. Us passport under the name. Nicholas barklay to go. Arriving in. texas frederick was stunned when the rest of the family accepted him as nicholas although life on the outskirts of san antonio was not the straits of bustling city. That frederick had pichit. He felt like he was living the american dream. He played the pod. Nicholas rummaging through drawers when he was alone. Studying photos of him dotted around the house and copying. He's mannerisms once. He gave the interview two f. b. i. Agent nancy fisher. He was certain he got away with the deception over time. Frederick begin to relax but was forever concerned that the real nicholas clay would come home and hey would be found out. He agreed to give the television interview with the hope that the meteor attention would further cement the belief he was nicholas barklay and indeed the public to him after frederick bulletins confession at the dinah. Charlie excused himself and phone to nancy. Fishe had also received the same information from interpol. After he's fingerprints were positively identified. She asked charlie to cape talking at the. Dnr shea arrive with an arrest warrant while he waited chali stoled frederick by getting him to open up the bat. He's alive and the previous identities he had stolen. Frederick was taken into custody soon after four and a half months software coming to america. He was held in the wilson. County jail in floresville texas on counts of perjury and attempting to steal a passport. While awaiting trial frederick used the phone at the jail tickle hundreds of families of missing children by using coal collect. He convinced today's families. He had information about their lost children. Information that was completely false when asked in a television interview why he did this to someone. Rable families frederick did an an saw instead. Just shrugging. His shoulders nicholas bock lays family. What bereft in the documentary. The pasta carey gibson said her first feeling was complete sadness because thou back to square one. A second feeling was. How could she bay. So fucking stupid. As frederick bodine sat in his jail cell he had plenty of time to malaysia. Off as nicholas barklay. He was surprised himself that he was accepted so easily into the family with no questions asked he thought back to his first meeting with kerry at the spanish children's home at the time he hadn't thought much about it but looking back remember how kerry had spoon fed information to him out. He's relatives in the photographs. Telling him who they were and important facts about each person. He also thought back to the family. Barbecue when nicholas's brother. Jason had wished him good luck and said nothing further as if he knew. Frederick wasn't em- pasta. Frederick kudo also never understand why nicolas says mother. Beverly was sell against having blood taken to confirm a familial link between the two especially when there was evidence that the person she called her son was not so if it were the other way around frederick would've had the blood test to put them to rest once and for all off. The beverly visited frederick in the county jail one day frederick picked up the phone and cold the san antonio police department. Hey knew that nicholas was deceased. And he knew who was responsible. The san antonio police officer listened as frederick explained beverly bella hadid had visited him in his cell and confessed that she and jason had killed nicholas and disposed of his body according to the new yorker borden alleged that one night prior to his arrest. Beverly got drunk and screamed at him on know that god punished me bus. Sending you to me. I don't know who you are. Why the fuck are you doing this that along. With frederick's other recollections if he's time with the family was enough to warrant the opening of a homicide investigation into the murder of nicholas barklay nicholas's family were outraged. That law enforcement would believe the word of a con man. Beverly angrily denied telling frederick that she or jason was in any way responsible for nicholas's disappearance or death despite this nancy fisher and private investigator charlie. Pokka both believed that. He's claims warranted further investigation. They were of the opinion. That jason's sorting of nicholas breaking into the family garage months after his disappearance was a red herring so officials would still believe he was alive. Beverly took polygraph test. The question i asked was whether she currently knew the whereabouts of nicholas barklay. Beverly answered no and past. Nancy fisher wasn't convinced. So had the test repeated a second time beverly past that one to repeating the test. The third time with the same question. Beverly dolor hod failed that test. The badly the polygraph told beverly that it appeared she what happened to her son causing beverly to run out of the rooms. Screaming shake claimed that. If jason had done anything to nicholas shave wasn't aware of it. Nancy believed beverly passed the polygraph. The first two times because she was under the influence of drugs while the third time she was claimed when interviewed jason appeared apathetic towards his brother's disappearance according to the new yorker during the interview. Nancy visha developed a very strong suspicion that jason had participated in the disappearance of his brother. Several wake slider jason dodd from a cocaine overdose having been off drugs for more than a year. Nancy and charlie believed was a suicide. When charlie asked the beverly her opinion chasing police said don't the homicide investigation was eventually closed. Due to lack of evidence there were no witnesses. No dan i evidence or even proof that nicholas was the safest prosecutor jack stick concluded that jason's death had all but precluded the possibility that nicholas's disappearance would ever be solved carry gibson. Who suffered a nervous breakdown. After frederick bulletins arrest remained furious at him. Shade held the documentary theme pasta. He put us through enough already and then for him to do this while he's in jail for what he's done and cause more pain for al family. Faulk him pay. Charlie pokka went down a different investigative route under the strict belief that someone in nicholas his was responsible for his disappearance as filmed for the documentary. The pasta chali arrived on the doorstep of nicholas's fulmer home and spoke to the new residents. The took chali out to the backyard indicating a spot in the corner against the boundary fence explaining that when he first moved in he's pet dog would constantly dig at the area. Hey was mowing the area. One day when young covid pace of top pull and material in the ground with the owners. Hope charlie pokka dug up the area himself but failed to reveal any evidence in nicholas's disappearance. Beverly delayed again to speak to the new yorker and tell them that. When jason was on cocaine he became totally wacko. A completely different person and it was scary whilst shape waves falsified the a can of saying nicholas at that garage months after he's disappearance. She didn't believe. Jason could've heard nicholas. Frederic book din spent the remainder of his time in jail finding local media and offering stories of how he had been apple. Two jeep the family of nicholas barklay coincidentally also a die hard fan of michael jackson. Frederick pasta time by copying. He's famous choreography in his. So charlie parker explained. He had been able to pass the polygraph test on television because he was so good at lying that he had convinced himself. He was nicholas. Barklay frederick also confessed. He had seen information about missing the lynn teenager till crash. When he had been interviewed by nancy fisher at the center for missing and exploited children. Using the limited information he constructed the tale of knowing till in an attempt to solidify. He's failing alias nicholas barklay on september nine hundred ninety eight frederic bourdin accepted a plea bargain claiming responsibility for fraudulently obtaining passport and perjury for posing as nicholas barklay. The charge of lying to an fbi agent was dropped. He faced a maximum of twenty five years imprisonment and seven hundred fifty thousand dollars in fawns at the hearing carey. Said he has lied and lied and delayed again. And to this day he continues to lie. He best no remorse. According to the new yorker prosecuted eject stick compared boarding to a flesh eating bacteria on november. Thirty nine hundred. Ninety eight frederick. Borden was sentenced to six years imprisonment in an american jail. Afterwards he would be deported to france where he was also wanted by interpol to face a full month. Jail sentence for insulting. a magistrate. frederick told the courtroom. I apologize to all the people in my past for what i've done. I wish i wish that you believe me but no it's impossible whether in jail or not. I am a prisoner of myself frederick. Bulletin was deported to france in october. Two thousand and three off the serving his time and living only three months as a fray man. He was caught trying to pose as fourteen year old missing child. Les ballet on may three two thousand five thirty year old boy within approached the child welfare office in france claiming to be fourteen year old spanish-born franscisco hernandez as as he was sent to a saint vincent to poll shelter where he became most popular with the young children. Housed there frederick was uncovered five weeks later after a staff member working at the shelter recognized him from a television show. She had watched the not before about the pasta. According to the new yorker one of the police captains assigned to the case said when he talked in spanish he became a spaniard when he talked in english. He was an englishman. Of course he lied. But what an acta. Authorities were unsure. What crime frederick had committed as it was not done for any criminal purpose but judah frederick wanting attention and affection from others. He ended up receiving a six month. Suspended sentence frederick had of eighteen child. Aliases known to winter. Paul impersonating children in europe from all over the world including mexico and australia. His ability to speak five different languages greatly him in deceiving others. Frederick himself claims to have created a five hundred different. Aliases in. He's lost time on his right forearm. Frederick biz attached to calm a leon. Dante chameleon from nantes when asked why he stole identities frederick told the judge on never really accepted to bayonet all i am not a criminal i am just the boy who will do anything that he's brain knows how to do to get attention and love. My work is to get love. This is my work. Don't do drugs. Don't kill people ripe children. I tell stories that will get people to kaffa me. This is my job on august. Eight two thousand seven frederick married. A french woman named isabella shave was studying to be a lawyer and track boy in dan after seeing him on television in france where he has since acquired a somewhat celebrity like status according to the new yorker. He invited his mother and grandfather to the wedding ceremony however both declined to attend thinking that it was another one of these laws frederick and isabella moved to a small town. In france he became a father and two now has five children videos on his youtube channel. Show him and his children dancing happily tamako jackson's music. The whereabouts of nicholas barklay remain unknown
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Then they'll be a lot of death unfortunately but a lot less death death than if this wasn't done but there will be death. We're looking for an obvious focus and the hardest hit regions we. Some of them are obvious and some aren't so obvious they spring up. They come and they they hit you like he got hit by a club an area. That wasn't at all bothered. You look at what's going on in New Jersey. The governor is doing an excellent job by the way but how that sprang up every decision. That were made that will make an his made to save lives. It's really our sole consideration. We want to save lives. We want as few lives lost as possible. Yeah So far three hundred thirty six thousand eight hundred fifty. One people have have the virus. We've Lost Ninety six hundred twenty of them so it's already pretty sobering those. Are you know what is that three times almost three times? What we lost on nine eleven But I mean still still not flu numbers so far this season we've lost over twenty thousand people due to the flu and I'm sure This apparently the way they're talking. The death toll might surpass that this week. New York has one hundred twenty three thousand infected on its own just New York and forty one hundred fifty nine deaths so they think that they're maybe Mario Cuomo his press conference that it's too early to tell but their numbers are starting to decline a little bit. They're they're seeing fewer deaths than they saw the day before fewer infections than they saw the day before so that might be a little light at the end of the tunnel. Yeah because I remember the peak was supposed to be April fifteenth in New York. I believe it was New York right. Was it the nation? Maybe I'm getting them confused here but I do know that If the trend continues for New York it it seems earlier than they were anticipating. I hope that's the case. So presidents not pulling any punches. He's obviously taking this incredibly seriously. His his experts the two the two doctors that we see every day And burks are pretty sobering with their information as well. Dr Burks had this to say about what's coming this week and what's appropriate and not appropriate to do something rarely said yesterday that you had some concerns about Pennsylvania Colorado in Washington. Dc. Could you expand on that? We're watching them because they are starting to go on that upside of the curve. We're hoping and believing that if people mitigate strongly the work that they did over the last two weeks will blunt that curve and they won't have the same upward slope and peak that New York New Jersey Connecticut and part of Rhode Island are having so this is a very important. The next two weeks are extraordinarily important. And that's why I think you've heard from Dr Foul from myself from the president and the vice president that this is the moment to do everything that you can on the presidential guidelines. This is the moment to not be going to the grocery store not going to the pharmacy. But doing everything you can to keep your family and your friends safe. And that means everybody doing the sixty distancing washing your hands and it's recommended by her to not even go to the grocery store this week. Well that's a new one. Yeah that's a new one. Don't go to the grocery store. Don't go to the pharmacy and if you do have to. You know you're you're out of food and you gotta eat right. You don't want the you don't want to be starved to death anymore than you. WanNa die from the Kovic Nineteen virus but they recommend that if you have to go just send one family representative every time. The same person should go and then make sure that that person washes their hands and goes through all the steps that we all know. You're supposed to do but pretty sobering and and this is going to be. It's going to be a tough week. And then after we get through this week and next week hopefully we'll start to see the fruits of our of our effort here. Where we're just. We've shut down the country shut down the nation. We'll see we'll see how this works In Italy things are starting to improve in Spain. Things are starting to improve and they were just what a couple of three weeks or a month ahead of us so that should be the case here and of course we still have people playing politics with this situation got the ABC host This guy I'm unfamiliar with. But he he had Vice President Mike Pence on and listen to the question that he asks Mike Pence through this Mr Vice President. I have a final question for you. I asked us not in a political way. What for you sir. Like so many of us in our deep faith okay. Not In a political way. Is that kind of like excuses everything now when you say with all due respect yes you're giving notice so ever that's okay. Yeah that's where we are with this guy all right from the beginning because this is amazing through this Mr Vice President. I A final question for you. I asked US notice in a political way. Thank you sort of like so many of us in our nation. Your personal deep faith. No one doubts that when you talk to God in your moments alone do you find yourself worrying at all that people you represent care deeply about have died and will die who did not need to step to. The federal government did not take soon enough unreal unbelievable. Well thank you for mentioning that. We are talking about pence in Connecticut. Time uh-huh I promise you. That's the way president. Trump thinks that way. I think that we wanted the American people to see the numbers so that we understand the challenging days that lie ahead but I want people to know that Our futures in your hands that if every one of us will do And put into practice the guidelines for America that we can bring those numbers down. I I I really do believe him. We'll get through this and we'll come out stronger than ever before vice president Mike Pence. Thank you Sir Godspeed. No no thank you for the snooky nasty idiotic question appreciate that instead of being livid I duNno. Trump wasn't or pence. Wasn't paying attention to the question or or He's just trying to be nice or he didn't really understand the underlying hideous -ness of that question but he handled it In a completely different way than I would've that's what would be Vice President Pat Gray responsiveness. I have been in the guy's face That is unbelievable to to try to bring this to M. I. Praying about the terrible response that we've we've given here And we're causing people to die as a result of it that I mean that's hideous. I mean the guy brought up prayer for a minute there. Mike Pence probably thought WHOA NBC. Or something happening here. We we pray over there but of course the only reason he brought up prayer was so he could beat him over the head with it. Of course just it's pathetic And and it's it's it's aggravating and it's frustrating and then there's a Jim Acosta who was attacking trump while. Dr Burks was speaking. Cnn reporter. Jim Acosta triggered severe backlash on Friday after he interrupted White House. Response Coordinator Debra burks just to bash the President. He burks was addressing. The WHO who knew what and when and Burke said After after Kosta made an issue out of of course the terrible response from the president. Burke said we can talk about. Why didn't Italy do something or Spain do something or Germany do something or we can really say right now? We all can do something. We can do the social distancing and the pieces that we know are starting to work around the globe in country after country. Then when we get through all of this we can ask the questions about about. Could we have done some piece of this better as a global community so then the Dr Pivoted to the World Health Organization. And that's when a Kosta tried to score political points. I'll remind you that on February third. He said the head of the WHO said there was no reason to ever do a travel ban. That's what she came back with after. Kosta was so nasty about it. It wasn't until January fourteenth that we knew that there was human to human transmission while the president was saying this was going to go away. It's April then. Trump stepped in. It is going to go away but Mr President. You said it was going to go away in April. You said that one day I didn't say a day he said I said it's going to go away and it is going away okay. That was a good answer. Your question no more no no more. I mean Kosta not even listening to people at his own network your call last week we had. Oh who's the WHO said you know? The press isn't going to trust us if we're constantly on the attack. Yeah such early Jeff Journal. Jonathan Turley said that but I love how the press in a cost of course the lead dog ongoing after trump and making sure that he is getting the blame for all of this and even the Democrats already. Starting their committees investigate. What did the president know? And when did he know what they won't look at China? They won't look at all of the evidence great article. I've got a tweet this out. Jim Geraghty had an article. Of How all signs point to that Wuhan Lab. There's some incredible circumstantial evidence. And then you WanNa talk about who you want to talk about. Who let's talk about them? Ignoring Taiwan Because that's what China wants as we've learned right the. Who is in the bag? China Taiwan in December was trying to sound the alarm and the. Who didn't even respond to them. Didn't even respond to their inquiry. Like hey guys. We're thinking this human-to-human stuff December W. H. O. Didn't admit this Akasa just said February third. Okay so there you go so so those those that you want to blame before you do that. Why don't you deal with China the? Who We could talk about this later. About Barack Obama depleting all of the masks in our stockpile federal stockpile in two thousand nine in never replenishing them. If we want to play the blame game there's plenty of blame to go around plenty including And we will share that with you later on the The Obama stuff and the depletion of medical supplies that he never replenished and I think we can blame the WHO for magic bus and and Baba o'riley is a little annoying you know but I mean they redeem themselves. A little bit with won't get fooled again. That's a good one now is a good one. Yeah but the rest of it the rest of it. I'm sorry I can't give them that. That's right and famous a name to be calling the World Health Organization. The WHO I know we got it. That's all I think of every time and they're going to need a A rebranding witnesses over the up anyhow. All right went downhill after Keith. Moon died right. Yes yes it did. Let me take sixty seconds to tell you about a patriot. Mobile Right now as a people. We are in a fight for our lives. And as we've just pointed out many are trying to politicize this crisis but most of us are sticking together as one family and patriot. Mobile wants to help during this really tough time. Social distancing Patriot mobile is helping Americans stay connected by reducing all their pricing for a limited time. Plans start as low as twenty five dollars with an unlimited plan for only fifty five dollars. 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Kenyans you don't want to like Outer Mongolians. What if we just start sending the money North Koreans Start sending him money here. Here's three and a half billion dollars. You've done such a good job because you don't even have a single Kovic patient that's fantastic. They claim the right next to China. They border China and they don't have any buddy with the virus. Okay all right sure. I buy that so house. Democrats have introduced legislation that would allow illegal immigrants to receive funds from the corona virus. Relief Package Lou. Correa and Judy Chu introduce the leave. No tax payer behind act that would allow immigrants living in the United States illegally to apply for funds From Kovic Nineteen. How's that possible? I mean how is that? If they're here illegally they don't have a social security number right. How are they paying? How are they paying? Federal Income Tax Somebo- tax? Id number stuff like that. I don't know it's it's nonsense. Yeah bullcrap yeah there. It is yes. The bill would amend the stimulus package allowing all taxpayers to receive economic relief including illegals according to this many of whom do pay taxes. Oh see there you know. We'd I usually here as well. Yeah they pay sales tax just like the rest. Okay all right thank you. They property taxes just like the rest of us. Do they correa said? I was appalled to learn hard working. Taxpaying immigrants were left out of the two trillion. Dollar Cares Act. I guess you should have demanded a vote. Then you could have been on record going against it then right congresswoman unbelievable. The Corona virus doesn't care about a person's wealth job or immigration status by casting out immigrants. We are placing some of our most vulnerable residents in grave danger every individual tax payer irrespective of Citizenship Status Needs Government assistance. Right now. We're going to. We're if again if we're GONNA pay non-citizens let's just open that up. Canadians South Koreans fin landers. Oh they need some cash Norwegians you know just here we know you're doing a great job. Everybody loves your country's up there in Scandinavia. Here's four billion dollars. We we should reward them. You know punching above their weight as they do you think. I guess I mean you gotta get for that and I think it was all the Scandinavian countries. Wasn't it that punch above their weight? I think all of all of them do so. That's that's great. It's a really nice idea. And and don't think they wouldn't do. It is land is considered a scandal as a Nordic country. I did not I didn't either. I started this five Nordic countries in the way. Yeah so I don't know what the separating them they're very. I got off track there but I just learned that fun fact over the weekend and it's not very often. Where did you come across the Icelandic information? Oh I get this email every day of a fun facts and really yeah and that was the ones that can you name the five Nordic countries so me and my kids we gave it a shot and And you can come with the fifth. We didn't come up with Iceland. No anyhow congratulations on the and thank you for sharing it with the rest of it. I'm saluting US out a party. Well if we could have parties Kansas come on man party you go into just one with the seven people in my family at my house. Is America two point? Oh there are no parties. It's GonNa be interesting to see how much of this lingers afterward I'm terrified I think a lot of it yeah I think we may have been forever changed now. Oh yes I said that after nine. Eleven to That we were forever changed and brought together in unity. Not so much you and a half weeks I recall. Yeah about that so it was not long point and But these are negative changes. I think for the most part I you know I was reading an article about Let's let's say everything does fall into place. And weakening of NCWA football this this fall. Nfl WHO's going to the Games? Aren't you going to be a little leery of sitting next to sixty thousand other people boy? Nebraska's home sellout streak now face a tassell. That'd be on the line for sure. Host Sixty to ninety thousand people a hundred. Let's Africa was now a lot. I know that that's a big stadium in the fill it every single week. Up to three hundred seventy five straight games sold out. Ninety one thousand is the maximum attendance. They can have their but it goes back to nineteen sixty two. So wow amazing if the bad football is it Risk Industry and it hasn't to their credit it really. I mean those are incredible fans but this might be a little a little bit little bit different. Wow would you be thinking well okay? They said it's clear. But what if one person has it in the stadium just going to spread it all around the place? So I don't know it'll be interesting to see how snap back this September fifth? Yeah gotTa have football got to and you saw the Nebr- Nebraska the NBA. Sorry thinking about doing a horse contest. See that yeah I did. They'RE GONNA televise a game of horse. Whatever I would watch I'll take it man absolutely watch all of a sudden. I would become the world's biggest. Nba Fan. Yeah first of all not that big of an NBA Fan. Secondly you know. A game of horse isn't really that exciting. We all played in the school school. Schoolyard But in light of what's going on right now give it to me. I'll consume that like crazy a that up all of the contested in different locations. Oh is that what they say? Yeah Yeah Yeah Man. I mean it's I figured I figured it'd be but I mean not even have them in the same. Jim I mean maybe it's not exactly the same shot at opposite ends of the court. I mean that's that's amazing it was I reading. I forgot to print this. Gosh Oh Nhl thinking about getting together to finish out the regular season to the playoffs Considering places like North Dakota Cincinnati really. Yeah go to North Dakota and play in a rink there yeah they have an arena where they play the junior world championships or something like that. They've got a place picked out. I forget where it is exactly that. It's Bismarck might be bismarck. But that doesn't seem right anyhow ARGO. I let me just keep naming North Dakota cities North Dakota okay. So they're gonNA play all the remaining game that I sure details. It was short on details. Maybe he's grand forks and my okay. Yeah era go could. Here's the headline could North Dakota Nhl Location if the twenty nineteen twenty season resumes. So they're spitballing ideas. Here Grand Forks. Yep at the Ralph ingoldstadt arena. All of course I should have remembered. The Ralph Ingles said stadium was in grand forks though anyways. I was remiss on that but the article goes on to speculate about places with low cova. Nineteen outbreaks like Montana Wyoming in Alaska. I don't know whatever. Yeah I'd watch it play in Yellowknife Canada. Okay let's just get games going. The oilers are showing promise. No so I mean we are so desperate. Rina's I'll take. I don't care if it's in the far reaches just I need it on TV. North Dakota has two hundred seven cases. Two hundred seven and they've had three deaths so far. Montana two hundred ninety eight cases six deaths. So yeah those states I mean but their numbers are low because their population is low. So you probably have about the same chance of getting it there as anywhere else. I would think I'll bet they've had less tested in those states as well but would it be nice to see this man. It'd be nice. I'm down with the game of Horse in the NBA. And I'm down with playing the regular season games in grand forks North Dakota for the NHL. That'd be fine fine by me. Let's do it and I'll be with be there watching. You'll be a hockey fan. They come back all right. Just that feel of normalcy would mean a lot seriously. I mean look if if you're worried about the eerie feeling of an empty arena. Just look just pretend we're all watching a WNBA game in. It'll just be like normal again. Is the thing is the thing I need sports and I need them now. 'cause I'm left to in thinking for the pant heads who have been tagging videos. I'm left to volleyball playing dogs and playing dog. Yeah you want to see that video. Are you good for video or are you are you because if you are then we know you're not feeling better but welcome back but volleyball playing? Doug they look you got two girls on one side a Guy. His dog on the other and while that dog knows how to play. He's a good center. I don't know if he's Irish They look at that dog. Yeah you could play. He can't play. And maybe a girl. So let's not genzer right. I actually I think it is amazing. Yeah it is and it's competition so that but now seeing scores it up. Well then the dog is. The Weakest Link did an unforced error there that was That was embarrassing for him or her. Go ahead I'm sorry. Go ahead please gendered language to type to address. Everyone exactly right. I apologize should not have gingered the dog but it was a good volleyball player was for a moment that moment. But then obviously as you pointed out the unforced error left something to be desired. That's impressive though. I mean that does not hurt. Your sn knows yeah right. It seems like it'd be paying. I don't know it seems like my doug gets knocked in the head all the time and he just keeps on ticking so they bunk stop my nose. I'm not I'm not playing anymore. Hurt calling a timeout. Yeah right yes. Didn't we have another sporting item? The kid trick. He's trying to pull a trick. He's trying to hit the baseball against the net and into a glove. Watch what happens. Okay got a little teaser. Listen listen I try now. We're GONNA assume he's still on the truth because we need that in our lives but I try trick shot. Yeah if you're listening to. The podcast hit off the net and bounced into his glove Yay. That's all we have right now. Please get to North Dakota NBA. Get VEGAS. Let's go that that was another plan. We talked about that before he got sick last week the NBA is thinking about finishing up. The season with everybody together in Las Vegas now would that involve multiple arenas or I don't know and all teams would just start. I think this is just for the playoffs. They would they would. Just play the eighty playoff games in. Vegas. They would just start it yet where they left off right those who made the playoffs as of. Man. Whatever data. They stopped on the cost. They're like no no no no. Let's finish the season but you'd be better than not finishing the year totally right and like I said last week. The hawks were eliminated in November. So I don't care but Vegas needs this than city like you've played the video last week. It's a ghost town. Oh man that city is hurting. Yeah and they could really use this shot in the arm for shrink. We're going to find that all cities of probably hurting right now and It's GonNa be tough even after this ends to deal with the with the repercussions of the economy is just GonNa be. Yeah staggeringly difficult. Listen to this. I mean the the unemployment lines when you call in. They are absolutely overwhelmed. Cnn of course did this story of a lady that was on hold for eight hours and forty eight minutes to try to get unemployment benefits. Because she was having trouble. The website kept crashing or something like that But more people this is anecdotal. Obviously but this is North Carolina. More people in the state. North Carolina have filed for unemployment in the last twelve days than did the entire twenty nineteen year more in twelve days than all of last year. Correct that's unreal and you magnify that around the country and the big. The unemployment numbers came out on Friday. I'm sure you and Jeff you've talked about this ten million people now. Six point six million last week yet that to the three point two or three whatever it was. It's about ten million people who've lost their jobs in two weeks and over the weekend I saw all these calculations of people trying to figure out exactly what the unemployment rate is. They're thinking it's definitely in the double digits. Oh it has. Its and it was at three point five percent. Let's keep that in mind. It was at three and a half percent. What's IT GONNA be now? She's I fifteen twenty percent and they expect by the end of this. Maybe thirty some percent many people listening to this show right now. God bless you. Yeah lots of prayers are definitely with you stick together find the community twitter. Facebook look further pat heads. We're out here. Triple eight nine hundred thirty three ninety three more. Pat Gray unleashed coming up pat gray on triple eight nine hundred. Thirty three ninety. Three also at pat unleashed on twitter notion mongering monger of notions tweets about the WHO. They changed their name to the. This is the World Health Organization. If you're not familiar with the WHO in addition to The Rock band about things changed their name to International Health Organization. Propagandists or I hop. Oh I like it fits constitutional nobody. I just woke up from a dream that the world was ending. No go back to be further from the truth Akilah. Oh Man. We're having some fun right now. The St Forty Two. Pats watching the dog video. He's not well send it back home. Yeah by the way no cove in nineteen. No no Kovic just Qaeda's just your normal traditional. That's boring case of bronchitis you know and I think some people around here freaked out. I never had a fever which I thought I talked about that. You think no fever people and down. Yes I'm I got a call from management. As soon as I got home like what what do you have? What's going on everybody's bumper? I barely I barely got to the door before the call came and they were wondering what was what the deal was. You know nobody would enter this room. After you left on Thursday. Good messing with STI-. Nobody came in here to talk to me to bug me. Not Get it within six feet of me. So here's the plan okay. Yeah every day. You leave Forever now I need you to make a big deal about how you're feeling really feeling that in fact you'll feverish here that you'll hear that so nobody should become an in here ever at all ever because it's just germs and viruses. I can't believe what's around the disease. It just hangs there for days weeks months on end. Okay I mean that's a little over the top. That's the case Jefferies in here and so it's been a while it's kind of settled now from cove. Fa eighteen get the rim shot ready. Oh Okay Whoa WHOA. He's calling the shots on a shot. My dog plays ball but not too. Well we call them air dud okay there bud right right right. Yeah yeah from Preston Baynes about the dog playing volleyball. That's perfectly setup so many spikes before an error occurs. It's the humans fault for not putting it away right. That's a great observation by then because those were perfect sats. That's on the dude. That's on the dude on the human resume and dude. Yeah good point triple eight nine hundred thirty. Three Ninety three people getting aboard the hospital ship. The navy's hospital ship comfort just tested positive for Kovic nineteen after being transferred Friday from a facility in New York City. Apparently they didn't have the disease when they went on the ship. Then show signs of it and now now they do. The ship arrived with a mission of treating the patients to alleviate the burden on the city's increasingly overflowing hospitals. They accepted less than five patients. Were infected initial screenings prior to boarding. The ship didn't reveal. The patients contracted the Virus Navy. Previously confirmed its screening process for boarding the hospital ship one instituted in accordance with the CDC guidelines consists of only temperature check and a series of questions a. about their recent health and and their contact history. We also know how dangerous of a breeding ground is. Ship can be For a highly contagious pathogen. Yeah that was supposed to be. Yeah the quarantine basically the set-aside hospital care So it's a mess man it is. It's a mess because as we've learned you can be a carrier and have no clue not no symptoms whatsoever. No symptoms whatsoever. We've known this for weeks and yet last week you had the governor of Georgia say I just found this out so he said on Wednesday said he found out in the last twenty four hours and so Geoffrey. Garin here going. Oh wait a minute. No everyone's known. This Georgia governor come on man. This has been a thing. Then you've got over the weekend blasio doing some radio interview up in New York saying yeah we we just found out we just found out that Kitty eight hours that you could be carrying this thing and have no idea. We just found out. I'M GONNA stop. It are the Telegraph lines down between Georgia New York City and new centers because this has been a common knowledge thing. Has it not talking about that for weeks? I'd love to go back and find out the first time we said that. No but we've known for a while so yeah that's ludicrous. Triple eight nine hundred thirty three ninety three. Us surgeon general talking over the weekend about what kind of what kind of situation we face over the next couple of weeks. How bad is this epidemic in America? And how long will it last? Well it's tragically fitting that we're talking at the beginning of Holy Week because this is going to be the hardest and the saddest week of most. Americans lives quite frankly. This is going to be our Pearl Harbor. Moment are nine eleven moment only. It's not going to be localized. It's going to be happening all over the country and I want you know when you compare this to nine eleven and Berl Harbor. We've had more deaths than both of those events combined so far so It's pretty. It's IT'S STUNNING. What's happening and it is. It's going to be tough if it gets worse than this. And it looks like it's going to until the peak happens. It is going to be tough to get through. We're not used to this kind of stuff in the residual effect and the residual deaths after the fact From you know cancer screenings being put off right surgeries. That that are important are being put off. There's one pad who has lupus who needs to see her doctor quickly and I guess we're supposed to be in right now and that has been pushed back to June. Oh you kidding so right now. We are in a situation. And this isn't tongue-in-cheek. I'm saying we are now the equivalent of like Canada right as far as our health issues. That aren't Kovin related right. It's everything getting pushed back. It's getting pushed back. Yeah now is that where we stop or does it get even worse. Does it get even more ridiculous as far as putting things off I mean I I had to do a I had a sinus issue and I couldn't go into the doctor. We had to do it over the phone you know. Well he can't look in my ears he can't look into my throat. I mean it's there's so many there's a domino effect. There's the healthcare angle there's the economic angle with all of the jobs that are being lost and the freedom angle a Freedom Angle. Oh My Gosh. Do we have to get to today? Oh Gosh for instance. San Diego County has a message for residents It's it's a happy message. I think you'll find so- as as the messages being transmitted by San Diego County. There's showing footage of citizens there being ticketed for parking and looking at a sunset. Look at this over. The past couple of weeks. Deputies have gone out on foot and provided physical copies of the public health order as well as the executive order to educate our community members and businesses. And now we've gone to the point that we've had escalate an hour doing enforcement. A large for deputies. Detectives did go out and conduct enforcement for those who are violating the order. These were not recommendations that came down. These were actual orders. That are have gotten to the point. Now where we will we will enforce and we're GONNA continue to be doing enforcement and it's it's not that we're trying to be mean or or exert a necessary authority. It's we're dealing with. She's the word exerting crisis dealing with a crisis. That's all the crisis. Yeah that's that's all. We're doing all any tire does. We're just dealing with the graces. We'll get through this. Yeah and you get your rights back waiting at the door for C. You know if when the time comes we'll take a look at it again and see if we want to sunset some of this stuff or should keep going because it's working. I mean this could always come back. You know so. We might want to keep doing some of these some of these measures. I mean this is It's it's really chilling. We'll tell you more about that And it's it's happening not just in Europe not just in China but here at home United States of America you know the point of the Second Amendment is to fight governmental tyranny. 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Flouting new social distancing rules aimed at slowing the spread in a country where denunciation was commonplace under the Communists in East Germany and Hitler's Nazis. Police forces across the country are getting tip-offs on anything from CORONA PARTIES TO PEOPLE. Driving to weekend cottages two. Sunday services being held somewhere. But that's just over in Europe as just your. I don't even worry about it. It's not like it's happening here where authorities are urging. You don't have to worry about that. I mean there's this little item that's niches get rewards democratic La Mayor wants residents to tattle on businesses. That don't obey the safer at home. Order no listen to this and to make sure everybody continues to let us know where those folks are off. You've observed recurring violations of the safer at home order. Please continue to let us know corona virus dot city dot org slash business violation. No the old expression about switches. Well in this case snatches get rewards. We want to thank you. Galling turning folks in and making sure we are all safe all right all right if that doesn't chill you to the bone I don't know what will he didn't have a German accent though finding out so that was out. Your Business Ping Open. That's Los Angeles California. That is not Berlin Germany that is not Moscow. Russia asked Beijing China that is Los Angeles California United Smile on his face. Yeah Oh by the way you know this you know the expression about S- niches right. Don't worry about that. 'cause SNITCH is get rewards here while how and they're putting it into practice there in LA. Yeah you can't even be out surfing look at this. There's a there's a surfer sheriff from the beach. Who is seen coming out? Okay so the boats after the guy I stand up boarding. He's like paddle boarding or whatever. That is history now. He started about dude. That is the ultimate social distancing out there and leader ocean by himself. Nobody around himself. And look all of these law enforcement resources coming after you've got you've got coast guard cutter. Yup Look at this stuff. My Gosh it gets. It gets pretty intense. They're not gonNA let him go all right so you got this guy on the right blocked him in now. Look who's coming around the corner here. You've got a coast guard coming in. I believe that's Coast Guard you know it's another La cop okay. So another L. A police boat coming in there to block him off no way. You're getting away from US and and there you go. That's really something against the law to stand up on a surfboard in the middle of the ocean right now in Los Angeles California and then after the fact. Sheriff you've got the image of the Scofflaw OH there is hands behind his back being hauled away cuffed and surrounded and being removed from the beach by police now see. They're a lot closer there rather than just leaving him alone to be out in the middle of the Ocean. Right look how. They're touching him there right there. There's no social distancing going sent ships after him yet navy battlecruiser firing howitzers at these paddle borders right after they stopped rolling the tape. That's what happened launch missiles Josh. That's amazing and first of all impressive. Those ships can get that close to the beach without running aground. But I look at that Chris. Look at the crime was standing on top of a surfboard with no one around. I I But we're not made a loss seriously. No we're not no. We're not so in other words in all just to re Canessa Seri measure so right. It's for our own good to recap arrest for standing on a surfboard in the middle of the Pacific Ocean And Citation for sitting in your vehicle looking at the sunset. Yeah and there have been people that have been pulled over incited of just for driving around. I guess you can't even drive around. Some women just went for a drive because she was going. Stir crazy inside her house. I bet the pulled over and they issued her a citation for driving. We'll wait we can't even we can't drive now. How is somebody? GonNa get the corona virus from person. Who's driving around in their car alone and not stopping and going into any establishment. First of all. There's nowhere to go really accept a grocery store. Not You're not supposed to go there but now you're not supposed to do that either. So when did the? Wow when the lockdown begin. What was the first lockdown that was Washington state right and it was a maximum? I don't think we've got two and a half weeks. Yeah I was like the first lockdown and they think that the society is going to put up with till April at the earliest and be tough. Triple eight nine hundred thirty three ninety-three more pat gray unleashed coming up Grade on Schatzberg. Memory Niches get rewards at wonderful ads. Thank you Ellie. Mayor America two point. Oh that's Great Mitch get rewards you gotTa love that. Triple eight nine hundred thirty. Three ninety. Three and PAT unleashed a twitter. I certainly couldn't Lee. Did anything. Bad like misreporting so that you could get reward that that could never happen. You know stitching on on a neighbor. Who's not doing anything wrong? But you want to be rewarded anyway. I wonder what kind of reward you're getting here. And I don't know something. Like in a crackerjack box or is it like casher Chinese reward for the what is it the community points or whatever you get you get for for good behavior for obeying the government. Maybe we can start something like that in Los Angeles and be great. Yeah People Arrested for surfing ticketed for parking pulled over and ticketed for driving around town. You don't even worry about it though. All three of those sound like responsible behaviors Guy Is further away from. It could be if you were on land. He's out in the middle of the ocean People are sitting in their cars. And you would think I'm not around anybody right. When do you think okay? There's there's nobody I could infect here and I can't be infected by the fish so what can happen you want people to start defying these orders you start enforcing crap like that right if you if you guys want to be reasonable. We'll be reasonable. Also judges are issuing conflicting orders regarding the release of over a thousand inmates from the Harris County jail in Houston That's great were arresting. These people for surfing were ticketing them for parking and for driving. But if you're a child molester in Harris County you're free to go we don't we don't want you to be captive at this time where you could catch something home see. I mean that that's definitely happening in New York and Massachusetts where they're living child rapist. Go at least in Harris County. They haven't let them go yet. We have conflicting orders in. We're waiting for the courts to settle this so we'll see crazy. I just absolutely no sense whatsoever and I still can't find what the rewards are an la for snitching. I mean I'm not going to snitch. Unless I knew the reward every story none of them say what you get it might be a cracker Jack Stick on. I don't know or it might just be a Brownie point like they give you in in China. You get Brownie points for good behavior listening to your government because they know better than you do so judge. Lena Hidalgo announced that she planned issue in order. That would release over a thousand prisoners from jail in an attempt to avoid public Public Health catastrophe it all go stated that her order would not apply to anyone with violent record and that the prosecuting. Da would have to sign off on each prisoner's release. She issued that order on Wednesday and Harris County. Sheriff's began combing through the inmates to identify the most medically vulnerable. The order sparked widespread community unrest and unease as you can possibly imagine until Criminal Court supervisory judge her bitchy issued an order an extraordinary order on Friday. Commanding the SHERIFF'S TO IGNORE HIDALGO HS. Order as null and void and threatening them with contempt and or fines if they continued to release any felony prisoners almost immediately Harris County. Sheriff Ed Gonzalez took to twitter to declare that he didn't know resolve the conflicting orders. Poor guy he said. This is obviously illegal matter and I have two conflicting legal documents. I'm a cop not a lawyer. I'll let the lawyers figure this out. Prior to Judge Ridge's order seven. Inmates had been freed. Underdogs order most legal observers in Texas. Believe the case is headed for a hopefully speedy resolution in the court of Criminal Appeals. Aaron Texas I mean the unintended consequences of what's happening with this virus are widespread madness. I think you mentioned Massachusetts in Massachusetts Man. Convicted of repeatedly raping a twelve year old boy was ordered released from jail on Friday because he suffers from health conditions that make him vulnerable to covert nineteen. Okay well you know who else has health conditions and we saw it on display every day of trial in which Jeffey were here. Vouch for him is Harvey Weinstein Right. You GotTa go to let him go. Isn't he on rikers? That right Okay well I mean. He obviously has a condition that required hospitalization as recently as a couple of weeks ago by that. Harvey go if you're letting these other people go hard to believe. I mean seriously hard to believe in the United States of America. This could be happening also. Google is publicly releasing the data. It's already collecting about people's movements. During the pandemic company said it plans to publish a series of community mobility reports to show the types of places that people are visiting across one thirty one countries and regions first report was published on Friday. Google said in an a blog post it hopes tracking movement trends over time by Geography. Could help shape and inform governments and public health officials response? What could go wrong now. This is perfect. This is great. I mean it's it's a Nana stater right pat. I mean it's not like it's name attached to anything about where you go well. The reports contain data from two to three days earlier in intend to spot trends in how people are behaving not instant data and it's not broken down by country and then by region the reports will show with people are headed to retail and grocery stores. Pharmacies parks workplaces more. It'll also show how busy these places were. Before the pandemic the reports will be available during the duration of the pandemic company said the findings are created with aggregated anonymous. D- sets of data. Yeah thanks so it's all anonymous. If you're a google employee I just want to remind you. Snitch is get rewards so you have all of the data. You need there if we could just find out if the reward is worth your time to pick up the phone and call the L. A. Mayor's office Google. I think you can trust them. Because THEIR COMPANY MOTTO UCS TO BE RIGHT. Don't be evil was not what it was. Yeah I think sure. I think they changed that now. They're okay with being evil so they changed their slogan Triple eight nine hundred thirty three ninety three go to Louis or is it Louis in Wisconsin. Hi You're on the blaze your morning morning. Gentlemen how are you good? Better thank you. That's listen I just did a question. I was trying to get through a couple of days. You know there's a major. La What is he doing with the whole stop way population? Is he ticketing everybody on the sidewalk? I mean what are they doing? That's a great question rewards but cooper scoopers. Thanks for the call Lewis I. I've seen nothing about what they're doing with the homeless people because yeah they're not supposed to be outside right And yet they are their own ways outside but maybe they're sheltering in place if you stay in the same place on the sidewalk maybe that gets you buy. I don't know okay. So if you WANNA see the sunset. Nah what you have to do is find a bench in lay down and watch the sunset from a reclined position. And you'll be left alone. Yeah Right. Isn't that how it works? I think so. Yeah okay. Yeah still on the mayor website Los Angeles cannot find what these what the rewards are. This kind of frustrating. We'll keep we'll keep at it so that you can. You know what you're going to what you're going to get when you turn somebody turn your neighbors in man triple eight nine hundred thirty three ninety three from And Pat unleashed on twitter. Fried Hump tweets Walmart. Oh that's right. The Camel Hump was Jeffey. Eat right yeah right yeah. Walmart should dedicate to buying a should dedicate to buying made in America products. I still remember when. North Carolina was world's biggest textile hub. That would put all of their unemployed back to work for mongering shifter. Does anyone remember February Simpler Times way back in the day kidding when we still thought? Wow that march madness thing and it's GonNa be great this year. It's going to be so awesome. Boy that was a good times there so innocent we go innocent. Good five weeks ago. It's CETERA. Nation. Had A sinus infection for a week and a half because they couldn't find a doctor that would let me come in Plus our rural doctors have run to Charlotte and Greensboro. To help good and scream from gunny a my wife who has lupus and has been taking hydroxy. Clark Win for years. All of a sudden needs her doctor to justify why she needs it. Oh man that's right. That's what the other lady was talking about with me Lupus. Yes it was the thing. I can never remember the name because they're trying it now. On patients for the Cove Ed The patients who ben using. It don't necessarily have it. This is a nightmare jeffries. Ultra flat shoes tweets. Where's the politicians advocating for freedom? There aren't any SNITCH. Are a good thing now. Yeah Yep yeah you would think there would be. I don't know there was. There would be a louder voice from people in in I. I think they're all afraid though. Because you can't speak out about this. Without what do you want people to die right? No no but neither do I want to set fire to the Constitution. Right now and the only politician who was said anything about it is Donald Trump. We don't want the cure to be worse than the virus. It's a great point and every time he says something like that he gets beaten over the head by the CNN's and MSNBC's of the world. How dare he say that way? We should all be sheltering in place like like good sheep. That's right yeah Nanna. Pat had thinks that probably going to get a red and white and blue lapels sticker that reads. I snitched if turn somebody in in La and if you turn in ten people you're going to get a t shirt while right. That's nice now. I'm thinking that's great. I'm ready thinking this might be worth the t shirt from the ST forty two. I'd rather have dangerous freedom than the safety of slavery. Yup Bob Blah Blah. Come on guys. You can't surf while on quarantine you might give the Shark's cove. Nineteen might do it. I think a tiger got it zoo. Right Nadia Nadia Tiger got sick. Yeah don't tell Joe Exotic all. Have you watched any of that yet? I don't have Netflix. Oh that's right. So how many times you have to tell me that before it. Finally just I don't mind you telling me because I'm hoping at some point you invite me over to watch it well. I can't you sheltering in place so but I mean if it's on the way home yeah you can't no you can't come in is interesting though if if you worked together with someone Are you allowed them to be at their house? That's GonNa be with them at work regardless right so I don't know niches get reward. That's all I know this forty-two taking a drive. Felony Third Degree Scouting Sweatman tweets. No now. We've really done it. That's surfer just infected the Pacific Ocean with the Chai Com virus. No-one go near the ocean. Right I mean they. They're treating their water supply the ocean. Yeah Dude you can't be out here. You can't be out here in you know the cleanest part of the county ever just insane. I really hope this repairs itself me too and soon and very very still repairable. Some people a lot of people are still predicting that this it starts to get much better by the end of this month. I just keep praying hoping keeping my fingers crossed. That's true we need some hot weather. Yeah and we're not some global warming not getting here this weekend. She what was it. Thirty four degrees was it. I realized if you're in the code is you're in Montana and you're shoveling snow. You hear it thirty eight degrees in is in your head. I got it. Yeah but in April in Texas in Texas. That doesn't happen. I mean we need heat. Let's do this heat anyhow. We're GONNA get heat on Wednesday. It's supposed to be about ninety on on Wednesday so remember. This virus is apparently a worse when it comes to temperature change when it comes to so. I hope hope that much in the way of heat. So while eighty seven percent of the American public is staying home regardless of whether or not it's mandated by state or local municipalities. Wow most plan on continuing to do so for all of April even if those restrictions are lifted by their local governments so that just shows that the public terrified be up. Seven percent of Americans say they're not sheltering in place while another six percent remain unsure. I'm not sure what I'm doing. I don't know I mean I don't know if that's a fair response. I don't know by the time the end of the month comes by the time the orders are lifted. Be Insane and so. I have no idea what I'm GonNa be doing and I can understand some of the panic because it affects people in so many different ways right. Yes and that's the one thing about this aside from the media hysteria there's just you hear the anecdotal cases of. Oh my gosh and killed a healthy guy in his forties. That's terrible. Yeah so it's a tough call right now but I know one thing. That's not a tough call. It's I'd like to have my freedoms intact on the other side. And that feels very tenuous right now. Sure does the survey shows seventy nine percent of Americans say that the states that have issued stayed home mortars made the right decision doing so only nine percent say they didn't that is troubling to me because we're just going along with it and maybe that's a good thing in New York and California and in Detroit but maybe not some residents of Kentucky who have been exposed to the virus refusing to quarantine and that had to be fitted with ankle monitors both doing sure they comply. Even restrictions were eased by mid April sixty. One percent of Americans say they'd still stay at home when possible while nineteen percents said. They'd go back to their regular life. I can't wait to get back to regular life. I I don't think I'll be sheltering in place once. We're we're not mandated. I think I'll be. Wouldn't you be living your normal life? Oh Yeah yes. Would you go to a football game? Oh Yeah in a stadium with a bunch of people when September sure okay. August August August. Yep Say July June me today right now. Let's call come on all right. Yes exactly this is this is we are on dangerous. Ground Right now as a society all of the hypotheticals that we've talked about on talk radio for years and years and years are playing all happening everyday life. Yeah and if we aren't careful and I mean fast we're GONNA lose a lot of freedoms were definitely GONNA lose our quality of life from shutting down the economy and I realize losing your life. That's a pretty serious and that should be at the top of the list but I think that common sense is is something that we undervalue. And I think if we just went about and just state do the social distancing and that and play it smart. The problem is you've got people not playing it. Smart and now governments are exercising their authority right. And they're laying the hammer down and we're entering territory where we may not be able to turn around. And you look at a guy who didn't play it smart like Rudy Gobert from the Utah Jazz. When he was touching the microphones and the and the reporters recorders and all of that stuff because he was making a joke out of it. You know when you have people not taking things seriously then what happens is when you get stomped on and the NBA. Just shut down the whole season as a result of that soon as he got it and we saw that he was touching things. Boom whole season went away. So that's how people react when you're irresponsible in remember. And we don't know that he got it from Rudy but remember guy in Detroit. I believe it was who was in the Locker Room of the Utah Jazz. A few days before that He is Last week saw he was in a medically induced coma. Yeah and so. I didn't hear how that turned out. I need to get an update on that but like I don't think I went to the post office the other day. I completely respect the fact. They had plastic sheeting in front of the workers. Right I mean I'm able to go in there and do my transaction and send off the package and all that stuff with that cheat in of us. Okay that's perfectly fine. Yeah that's a caution right. Shutting down an entire business Entire country yeah an an economy and messing with GDP and and creating recession. There are going to be things that happened that we're GONNA be talking about for decades that are gonNA come back to this moment. You say well that change because of this or that got delayed because of this. It's dangerous territory. Let me tell you about Ashford. University Ashford University has an online bachelor and Masters Degree program that allows you to learn on a convenient and flexible schedule. Do this at home. Well how convenient and really kind of works in today's environment doesn't it in rolling in one six week course at Ashford makes you a fulltime student. Meet studying at home is so great My wife went back to get her degree and has just loved it. 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I thought the surgeon general said it's all right to go out and walk ride your bike etc. Yeah I guess not not anymore care. Thirty twenty two. How did we get to this point? Where so many have no problem with government keeping them prisoner in their homes for their own. Good we'll be watching sons of liberty today. Nice Reminder Yep from Steve. We need to let the rapists and molesters out to make room for the preachers surfers and Sunday drivers. And it's incredible. What are you GonNa do but laugh because the alternative is to just weep openly you can on your neighbor get a reward. Yeah we don't know what that is. Do you get a pack of gum seriously. What is it? Do you get a dollar keychain. Don't know I don't know certificate for Free Burger at Hardee's more I don't know Snitch is get rewards because this is America. And that's what we're all about Derby League nine hundred thirty three ninety-three also at PAT unleashed on twitter. Jeffreys eighteen spoons tweets the story about Google releasing data about our movement. Is exactly why I'm not doing. Anything wrong is meaningless. Yeah because you you. You're not the judge of whether or not what you're doing is wrong or not m. k. m. soap tweets. I've deleted the Google APP off my phone. Three times in the last seven days keeps pop back up on my phone. Wow Joe Barnes snickers get riches proud. Mr Greybeard is whole. Snitch is get riches idea is straight out of the playbook of the transition of Germany before World War Two. That's what's so chilling about. It comes electric razor if we're getting a T-SHIRT FOR SNITCHING it'll probably say snitch on my neighbour in all I got was this lousy t-shirt. Let's see oh man in Wisconsin dairy farmers. This are just dumping milk because the prices are collapsing. Dairy farmers across Wisconsin are dumping their milk into drains and other outlets rather than sending it to market is milk. Prices continue to tumble during this pandemic. While many grocers are limiting the amount of milk individual consumers can buy. The dairy industry is reeling from decrease demand due to the widespread closures of restaurants and other food service buyers leading dairy cooperatives to ask farmers to discard fresh milk in an effort to prop up prices. Never thought this would happen dairy Ryan. Lb told the Detroit free press everybody's rushing to the grocery store to get food and we have food that's literally being dumped down the drain LBJ. Golden Dairy began dumping. It's twenty five thousand gallons of fresh milk a day into wastewater lagoons after the cooperative. It belongs to dairy farmers of Utah asked of dairy farmers of America asks them toot. Hey would you dump all your milk please? No we've asked the government to step in and buy dairy products to give feeding programs in give the school. Lunch programs will yeah. That would be smart course. That's probably part of the problem. Right there it just just kind of clicked with me you know with the schools are closed. Yeah Yeah goals buying the milk's but what about homeless shelters? You can't give them to homeless shelters right right you know and maybe not because I know that We've got some people in our award in a church at my church have taken it upon themselves to go to one of the local grocery stores here central market which dumps all their stuff everyday everything that's leftover like the bread in the pastries and all that waiting goods and things. I don't I don't know what time they do. That like. Ten o'clock probably what happened here from closing okay? But they only let certain people in to do it. And and so people have arranged with them to pick up the bread and pastries and all of that and take to homeless shelters. That's all the homeless shelters. Just told no we don't want your stuff anymore. Wait what why so? You don't want free food. They give a reason. No not that I know of. Are they about that? I've heard read cove. Nineteen is going to come in. Maybe package that's what it is or is it now we're too good for you. Like a story. Jeffey just sent me about In California Gavin NEWSOM announced initiative to place homeless people in Hotel Motel rooms around the state. So they're putting up homeless people who'd he thinks paying for this in hotel rooms around the state at least at least for now During this crisis don't forget In La if you if you see your neighbor step outside. Be sure to inform daugherty's because snitch is get rewards yes just a reminder the Los Angeles Area Rate. We don't know what the reward is you know it's Gonna. I mean it's worth it. What I'm sure it's great keychain and it's worth it in a what if if it just makes you feel like you're doing your part than is worth it just like the. Germans were told in World War. Two I mean. Do you love your country or not. Now right It was the Jews back. Then it's just it's people outside today. What's the difference but at least people aren't driving now right because Thirty eight thousand people. A YEAR IN AMERICA DIE ON. Us Roadways Yeah. This is going to help that. Were so this'll help ran out right so no more. No more airplane accidents because nobody's flying Cathay. Pacific has slashed more flights after flying. Just five hundred. Eighty two people in one day one day in day entire company. Ooh She's that's probably not good. I'm thinking that's a steward say. Sub Optimal sub optimal What's the biggest passenger jet off? Top of your head. I is it a. When is it seven? Eighty seven Airbus. Eight eight thirty. Okay okay. I'm just wondering how many people could fits on that. You know all that's gotTa be close to five hundred right five twenty five. What was the number here? Five hundred and eighty two okay. So what aircraft? And then some change. Yeah is the entire airline this Hong Kong air. Wow Airlines thing. Oh boy really bad. Terrible more than three quarters of hotel rooms are empty because of the Cote first filling them up with the homeless now in some cities. Yeah that'll take care of that. Airbnb which allows individuals to read out homes resit residences for any given period of time announced Monday. It would provide each host twenty five percent of the business they lost to cancellations and set aside two hundred fifty million dollars to do so. So they're getting some help there. Some of those checks should start coming in from the government. Oh yeah sometime soon. Should appear in your direct deposit if you filed electronically I believe. Yeah otherwise paper. Check take a little while longer k. Also George W Bush back in two thousand five yeah He read a book about a global pandemic then the John Berry Book that he read and it scared the crap out of him. Yeah and so. Here's here's what he said back in two thousand five talk about our nation's efforts to address this vital issue to the health and the safety of all Americans. I'm here discuss our strategy to prevent and protect the American people from possible outbreak through presidents who stressed the importance of planning for a global pandemic and laid the foundation for the present day. Federal response that our number one priority is in the event of a pandemic is to save lives. The president has a plan to do just that first. We must detect outbreaks that occur anywhere in the world a second we must protect the American people by stockpiling vaccines and antiviral drugs. Yes and improve our ability to rapidly produce new vaccines against a pandemic strain. We need to have surveillance plan that allows us to identify when an incident has occurred in the world the sooner we know the the more quickly and more adequately we can respond we. We thought it would be irresponsible not to take on the pandemic planning effort to make sure that whenever it is under whatever presidents watched that as a nation were better prepared. Because it's the right thing to do. I can't be avoided. Vandamme is unlike other natural. Disasters outbreaks can happen simultaneously in hundreds or even thousands of locations at the same time and I'd like storms floods which strike in an instant and then recede a pandemic can continue spreading destruction and repeated waves. That can last for a year or more. While seems fairly prophetic. At this point it just GonNa try to prepare for a pandemic. 'cause they're not you know They're they're not good. Yeah I think I think we're President Bush where his shortcoming was on. This was he was so fixated on helping humans and fish coexist. He overlooked the bats. Well and making sure that we understood that. I mean make it very clear. Poor people aren't necessarily killers not necessarily kill. Because you happen to be. Not Rich doesn't mean you're willing to kill although we have that study suggests suggests otherwise is president or people probably are killers so but surely I mean this is late in his presidency back have tried to get everything going so he handed off to Obama. Did He made a plan? He and this was fifteen years ahead of its time so I guess he gets credit for it because it didn't happen the next week. Well I did hand off a whole plan to the Obama administration and lots of masks. Lots and lots of masks on March twenty six. The daily wire published an article centering on the Obama. Administration's role in using an allegedly failing to replenish the federal stockpile of n ninety five masks so the USA. Today just looked into it. Uh-huh yeah is it true or what because in two thousand nine h? One in one outbreak sixty million people got it Obama's administration tapped into these in ninety five masks and it's not like he was president for seven plus years after that outbreak. Actually it is exactly. Yeah so so. Is that enough time to replenish stockpile of masks well apparently not no because the USA. Today fact checked all of this weather. Not Okay did he. Did he use all the mass? Did he deplete the supply and then not resupply and the answer is yes our rating true despite out true not true not partially true true we rate this claim true because it is supported by our research. There's no indication that the Obama administration took significant steps to replenish the supply of n ninety five masks in the strategic national stockpile after it was depleted from repeated crises calls for action game from experts at the time concern for the country's ability to respond to future series pandemics such recommendations. Were for whatever reason not heated. Wait what the Great Obama left. Something Undone can't believe it and is anybody talking about it. You see that on CNN. No you see Jim Acosta instead. Trying to blame president trump for every single thing that happens. Every single death is his fault. Not China where it originated right and you must read. I tweeted out at Keith. Mala neck I tweeted out the Jimgeraghty article about all signs point to that. Wuhan Lab. They were they were posting job listings before the world knew about it and you needed to be bad expert and all this stuff any. It's fascinating so Jim. Acosta doesn't go after China. He doesn't go after the. Who who ignored the cries from Taiwan in December And he doesn't blame the Obama Administration for this. It's strictly trump's fault according to JIM ACOSTA AND CNN. Everything you honestly. I'm surprised that they haven't tried to dig on this. Us Army under the direction of president trump planted this virus in China. Cnn was there i. I'm surprised that story isn't out. There yet probably will be give it time. Yeah probably will be now. You've reminded him. Oh Yeah we did. Forget to run that I mean you got Pelosi and Clyburn already saying what did he know? And when did he know? What are you kidding me? Can we stop Americans from dying before you try to do? Some other investigation coursing answers. No last week. California Governor Gavin Newsom was once again praising President Donald Trump. And he did it so on. Cnn as a matter of fact listen to this time of crisis we need to raise it above partisanship and and I've extended always an open hand. Not a closed fist. In those circumstances and this is no different. But let me just be candid with you. I'd be lying to you to say that he hasn't been responsive to our needs. He has and so as a question as sort of an offer offer of of objectively to acknowledge that publicly in the fact is every time I called president. He's quickly gotten on the line. We asked to get support for that mercy when he was able to direct that in real time we got two thousand of these vehicle field medical sites that are up almost all operational now in the state Because of his support those are the facts that we always want more. I should criticize this or that at the end of the day. We're just trying to focus on developing a relationship of trust as a matter of course because there's just too many Americans forty million they live in this state that deserves to get together and get along. That's unbelievable that is unbelievable and it's driving the left. You could tell tappers. Not Enjoying what he's hearing here. I I'm sorry governor. I'm not understanding what it is. You're saying. Can you please say something else? Like the Guy Sucks and he's causing. He's got blood on his hands. Maybe say that 'cause I don't understand this. Wow there's a guy playing politics. How refreshing is that from especially from the left? I mean other other hand. He's also saying we should. We should take advantage of this crisis. Well wait remake the country in in our own progressive image. Doing that too. But in the meantime he's going on CNN and the view in defending trump in. That's yeah watch him on the view. They were really perplexed. You know I feel like you have to feed his ego to get the respirators and to get the what's going on. We're involved in over sixty eight lawsuits with the trump administration. And so there's no question. We have had our differences of opinion on many issues. But I just WanNa remind you and maybe others that are not aware of this We've been at this since late. January from my perspective. The relationship has been strong. And I'm not doing it to kiss the ring on not doing it. In a way that had just been forthright he returns calls. Wow reaches out? He's been proactive We got that mercy ships down here in Los Angeles that was directly because he sent down here. Two thousand medical units came to the State of California these. Fms's these field medical stations And that's been very very health weight. He's been very very helpful He's been proactive He's been cooperative. He's reached out wait. What shut up joy. But why aren't you saying bad things about him how to play the game? You're the governor of California. That is really. That's amazing amazing. My Hat's off to him. That's that's great. He and Cuomo have both at times. said good things about the president and his response and in. Cuomo where he is deviated at times. Newsom has continued straight ahead. Yes praise but like you said he is using he's planning to use this to instill more of a more of a race socialist paradise in California right. Never let a crisis go to waste but as far as cooperation with the federal government and in praise. Where do he's doing that? Speaking of braise words do That's what Justin Trudeau is all about. Okay so yeah years. He's excited about China well. This is an old clip when he was running for office in our Canadian gangs. Since it's good clips from up there Renault gag me. He sent this just a reminder of Justin Trudeau and how much he loves China. Watch this last week with a group of Toronto Women Laws and example. Even with son. Tv WATCHING FOR ANY SLIP. He was asked which country he most admired and referred to China. A love of Admiration I actually have China because their basic dictatorship is allowing them to actually turn their economy around on a dime and say we need to go green fastest. We need to start investing in solar of their about having a dictatorship that he can do everything you wanted interesting say founded a bit silly for Justin Trudeau to say that What he admired. The most was a dictatorship. Frankly I've always been rather fond of democracies politicians said. Oh you know look for China I. I'm at the mayor of the basic dictatorship in China. Data is not only shocking. That is a shame thank you. Wow that's for sure. I love how he tried to turn it around and Stephen Harper in the middle of his Pres of a communist dictatorship. Yeah unbelievable I bet. That's what Stephen Harper would like. Shut up just got done. Praising them and seeing they could turn their economy down around on a dime and go green snapping. Their fingers are not green at all the worst offender of pollution on the planet. Why do they keep getting praised for that? Even Al Gore China of on the cutting edge of climate change evolution. Which they're not they're they're still producing the equivalent of a coal fired power plant every week. Just it's I mean maybe not during the corona virus problem but it's ludicrous and to love a democracy or a dictatorship to to praise a dictatorship like that because it can get things done quickly. You know you got to be doing the right things quickly for one thing. And then secondly Our Republic was set up so that that wouldn't happen so that in a crisis. You can't just knee jerk react and completely change everything about your country. That's just asinine. It's just a guy who's But stupid on believable. That guy is something else. Triple eight nine hundred thirty three ninety three speaking of which got to AFC on American society. Yeah that's good stuff. Yeah your shoes and please continue to push an advocate for things like rent. Suspensions payment suspensions mortgage suspensions the guaranteed housing and we need to expand our public health. Care systems dropped the Medicare age two zero. Some people are arguing for mass enrollment. And try care whatever way we can get this done. Let's get it done because when there's ten million people that have just been suspended for just been laid off furloughed from work. That's ten million whose health insurance is now imperilled and there is no reason why you getting laid off from. How could it be imperilled if got obamacare? What's what good is obamacare. If they're now all imperilled was not one of the big deals about obamacare. When you lose your job you shouldn't have to lose your health insurance So we'll drop them. Indicate Age now two zero and that. That's good all right. Let's see the rest of this chippy. The animating basis for you not being able to see a doctor health care is a human right get better health care because you have a high ono. Wait wait look. Oh it's buffering. Oh No. Where's my universal Wi fi? Come on fix it fix it original food. I want universal. Everyone should be able to have dignified access to healthcare divide access to healthcare dignified when I worked in a restaurant. I can't tell you how many times I sat hours in. This is supposed to be the richest society in the world and I think this crisis is showing us that this is only a rich society for a very small amount for the rich. It is a brutal Barbarian Society for the Cross Working Class Americans because forty percent of it out there can afford a four hundred dollar emergency before this thing started. This is more than four hundred dollar emergency and we're really going to have to step up and completely changed our approach to our public systems. And with that we're GONNA head out a lot of people ask Shaven head. That's an ongoing conversation happened. Maybe you're almost so silly to say no. There's a lot of restaurants that are feeling the pain of racism where people are literally not patronizing Chinese restaurant early not patriots Indian Asian restaurants because of just straight up racism around the virus staring straight up. She's making these videos from her luxury apartment in Washington. Dc went out man all right. We'll see you tomorrow stay healthy.
2614 - Tommy Shaw
"Please, don't take this personnel. LAGODA. A. What's up. Dude it. Call, the COPS, there's a plant singing Boston name and the van you freak. She liked. Mr Bean Rouge perfect to find you so a sexual use. It use it. Don't me Frankenstein. Live team it's the fastest our in podcasting. This is never not funny. Now. Your host Jimmy Pardo. Hello. Everybody needs to the program episode twenty, six, fourteen. I want to say that I get that. Right? Am I A winner today that I get any sort of Do I get a? Why do I have my glasses on? That's the question. Here's the thing I just. I found I finally found a little button on zoom. That allows you to hide yourself view so I don't. See my own mug. Coming back at it turns out. I'd rather see daddy I'd like. I didn't have glasses on it until I felt them on my face at I been looking at myself I would recognize the fact that I had glasses on I'm not a dumb man, but at the end of the day I'm a dumb man It's stupidity. That's all it is. It's stupidity welcome to the program, you guys. Say a Monday June, the first happy June, so we are now. What all of April may have of March. Into this quarantine pandemic lockdown. Version of never not funny. We appreciate it. Guys I want to very quickly before we start I recognize the fact that you come the number now for a respite for what's going on in the world, and maybe a little bit escape from what's going on, not that it is fair to say escape because what's going on in my opinion, needs our full attention and. At the same time though. I am not so sure for white dudes or the Should have a voice in this. I think it's time for us to. To really focus in on listening. To the community. and. If you don't protesting And so on at this point I don't know what to say to you. It's it's heartbreaking in my opinion I'm speaking for myself obviously. It's heartbreaking. What happened in Minneapolis and what happens every fucking day and It's I I apologize, I did not expect to get emotional and I am. It is just It sickens me. It sickens me to to think that anybody. Feels that they are not safe leaving their home and A and if it takes a protest and anger, so that people can wake the fuck up and listened then so be it you know. A man tried to. Take a knee at a football game and people wouldn't fucking have it so. I Apologize. I, Tend to get that emotional about it. And I. Again we were comedy show, but I also felt like we cannot. Do the show without at least at. I think that's my neighbor. Telling me you a reminder. You shouldn't be saying anything. I think maybe my neighbor. Here in Baldwin Hills California. So anyway anything you guys want to add to that I again I know. I got a little more emotional passionate that I had intimidated on the Air I certainly off the air. I'm doing that but go ahead. I just want to mention that there's a website that the black lives matter folks have put together. If you want to see their actual solution recommendations for how we might be able to solve these problems, you can go to join campaign zero dot org and they have done a lot of really good research. They've spoken with police and victims and community members, and all sorts of people to try to come up with. Solutions they've had this site for over a year but you know it's not clear that that everybody has even looked at the things and taking them seriously even debate them, so maybe go over. There have a look to see what their suggestions are. So that you can kind of get some context of what what folks who as Jimmy said. They're affected by it and they've kind of tried to make some some steps to to figure over. There reached himself over there. Maybe maybe a moment will come up where that information will be helpful to you so that you could participate in the conversation in a way. That does constructive. Great, thank you I apologize. I muted myself during that. Because as you heard, my phone rang, and then that was a somebody that wanted to leave a long winded message. I have a doctor's appointment coming up on Wednesday of this week where I have to go in this. I cannot be Tele. Doctor thing, and so I have to go in on Wednesday, so that was telling me what I have to do to prepare for that visit, but Elliot I was listening to percent to what you had to say. and I think that's a great advice. And Matt anything or No, I I don't I don't pretend to Have you know any answers or any insights? I agree with you. Jimmy I think it's it's. This is the time to listen. And I just You know really hope that this is GonNa be if we look back on it, the the turning point how to percents now I know we've said that before and we you know we've. We've had a lot of these. tragedies, but Is. Sometimes it takes something this big and this dramatic to. to change things and then to make people realize there needs to be changed, so that's my hope is that you know it's just like a very dark time in our country and I I I. I want to believe that we can. learn from it. So that's that's my hope. NEVER GO I! Gary I don't WanNa. Leave you out of the mix at the same time. I really don't want to hear your take on. Can't think of. Anything worse than hearing from some guy in Van Nuys today, but go ahead and you gotta you gotTa. Look you guys have all said I. Mean we have to. We have to we all have friends and family that are that are part of the community that we need to support. And we need to be listening more than where. Doing anything else. You know what I mean. It's not about us. Embassy people down there that are. Going down these protests and acting foolish. White people I'm talking about one hundred percent guarantee. It's it's it's embarrassing. This is an important moment in to have. We need to be one hundred percent fully behind it and not making it about us. I can't agree more what you're saying. You know when you know my old neighbor and Matt's old neighborhood. Fairfax and right behind my old apartment. Not Again I'm not thinking about me, but what I'm saying. Is that that WHO's embarrassing to see like your to your point during the white people? Taking advantage of it and breaking windows and stealing. Fuck this is what are you doing, man, it's. You know. A lot of people don't don't know what they're supposed to do what they're not supposed to do that. Yeah, exactly, but you just have to just listen you. You'll learn. Learn is what we need to be doing. So. If I may in watching the coverage over the weekend there were several instances where. It seemed as though. It was mostly white people who were kind of egging on the police and doing things that that that weren't necessary a protest. A peaceful protest does not require You're pushing your bicycle against police, officer and when you do those sorts of things you make it worse, and of course it makes it much more likely that somebody who isn't white at the back of the group is going to get something happened to them. And that? Is Part of the problem why that sense has to continue to go on to. Someone at the back of the line is. GonNa get hurt. That's, the problem. And it doesn't matter if Joe Schmo white dude kicks over a can. Why is the black guy down the street going to get? Punished for that. At at the same time, though that you know, the the has, I think John Oliver is pointed out in past episodes, and and it's been. Covered pretty extensively. The the military's the militarization of police forces around the country is part of the problem, too, so that when you get that? Yes, the peaceful protesters shouldn't be antagonizing police in there. It shouldn't have to come to. Their response has been horrible and a lot of situations. A lot of this is anecdotal and I'm sure we're all seeing some of the worst stories and Hopefully we're seeing some of the nice stories like in in Michigan when the police joined the protest, instead of trying to fight it, but But but I still believe that you know you've got a lot of in the same way that you have a lot of bad cops. Who are you know? Killing black people on routine arrests also have a lot of bad cops who are gonNA. Take that Bait and start shooting. Pepper spray pellets are beanbags into crowds when it's not necessary and so systemically we have to figure out you know how to deescalate that to and I. do believe that we were trying to do that. Under the last presidential administration and I think the president has reversed a lot of that stuff but I I don't I don't agree with that and he's doing a great job. This bunker and Having by pence go out and say the most hypocritical things the world that man walked out of a football game. He walked out of Hamilton and he's got some balls, saying that this administration stands behind black lives matter, and they support you gay lesbian in the LGBTQ A. Thing thanks I got to strike probably doesn't. Very important sentence by important I mean I. Don't want anybody to feel slighted. A dog starts barking and I get distracted because I'm an idiot. What is going on at Your House man? Here's what I think happens. Man I think at this time of day some gardeners show up on not at my house, but at other houses, and and that's exactly what's happening, so they can I think the dog's next door by the with my dogs next door. They are not. They are the the dogs next door they will bark at somebody who is walking into a seven eleven, which is around the they somehow know. Something's up all mode they bark, and then you go what? If they were human beings, they would go up a guy walking around like. A get distract you walk past. Their holiday were fast asleep and if you just go how? It gets its bananas. So, that's that's how my dog is too in and there's nothing I can do to stop it. On some level, it's nice that he's guarding the house, but but yeah, when when when somebody parks their car across the street and gets out of that car. You don't need to take to defcon six. You think that your dog scared because he thinks Gordon Gecko is broken into house. Do you think that is a? Joke, for the video, people. And honestly it does not look the same as it did before. Yeah, it was it was Latin I was running late and so I didn't have time to dry my hair or anything so I just I showed up at the studio with my hair. I just brushed it back out of the shower, wet and yeah. I was rocking the wet look one thousand, nine hundred five style. I'M NOT GONNA. Let it I didn't dislike it I also didn't like it was, I didn't like it and I certainly didn't like everyone going attention to it. What I was trying to solve audio problem? We couldn't hear you, so we can do is what we saw so that. but now it's back to normal. We can get back to making fun of Elliott's Larry. Fine, hair so. That was the other thing I was like brushing back was like. Oh, maybe this is because sometimes. Elliot does that too sometimes. Elliott's right out of the shower and he just goes. And so I was going to play it off like yeah. I'm I'M I'm doing a no mosh to Elliott and then I thought in my head would be funny. If then next week my hair was dyed pink, and then the week after that I have a military buzz cut and I was like could I really pull all that off, and it turns out I didn't even pull off the first part which is making you guys think was doing Elliot riff. Very Gordon Gecko to me. It it was it was it was like Pat Riley Riley degree to yeah. Yeah. I thought that as I. Got In my car and went. Oh, Shit I forgot to dry my hair because I was rushing out. well. We're glad that you made it. That's all that matters. Your Studio, holding on the Ford and HBO and. Everybody else is of course in their homes and. I actually ventured out over the weekend. I had to I went to office depot I went to a retail store. That you know retail stores open here in Los Angeles and I had to get a new chair and I told Matt. This story is not an interesting one, but I told them I went to. Office depot to get a new office chair. Just say that, am I? A little bit of a loop. I didn't know if it was zoom or your brain. I'm not kidding. I was like we jumped back in time five seconds. See. Here's what I gotta so anyway. I went to office depot at I. Don't know if you guys know why it was. Took it. They go an office. and. That was bizarre when I said at the second time. My brain learning when you just said these exact words in this order. Like what are you? What are you doing? Again I'm I'm. GonNa. Play frigging dog and would close the window, but that's not gonNA. Solve anything you could still. Hear it because it's seven feet from our house. So, anyway this office chair very. Mad I went to get a specific chair that looked great and team to tick all the boxes of a chair that I wanted and I got to office depot, and I went. Oh, yeah, this is a good share I liked. This is a good year, and by the way when I got to the office depot it even though I've gone to grocery stores, and I've gone to target. It's still was very odd to walk into a retail establishment after all this time. It just felt weird. Even the employees. The employees seem happy to see a human being There was only two other people in there. We all kept our distance as easy as hard as that was considering that the other people there were also looking for office and so. Here's this entire store and there's three people in it and all three are looking at officers, because we're all probably working from home and I know my caboose wore out the last. Office chair that I. had and so went to again ticked all the boxes. I sat down. I went. Yeah, this baby is great. I love it, and then as I was waiting for the. Grab a little ticket or whatever and. I was waiting for the for the employees to help somebody else and then handed my ticket. I had gloves on. He had gloves on gloves on. And I started to go. Try that y'all try that. Gerald try that year, so then I tried as I was waiting I just popped on a one year and went. Oh, my God! This is the most comfortable chair ever had my life I never sat and more comfortable. Officer I I'M NOT GONNA buy the one that I came here for I'm going to buy this. Why can't believe how comfortable this frigging chairs never been in a more comfortable chair I? Returned the slip for the for the more expensive chair and the chair that I wanted to buy was like well I can't imagine what this is going to be. And it was ninety nine dollars, and it was like. Hey, that's that's a still for. For an office chair? That's a that's a good price for a very comfortable office chair. I will tell you that as I. Sit here. Talking to you I am not using that chair because Jesus Christ in it suck. It up. I, don't I. Don't know man, but it's Even young Oliver's like yeah, dead or something about this Jarrett's horrible. This is not comfortable it is. It's nice and cushioning. And, so it's it's got a cushion to it, but at the same time it has no support like it's. Not Like it's got the hydraulic, of course, it's all chairs deal where you could raise lift, but I need to be raised to a certain level here for the camera to hit me and more importantly for my my arms to use the mouse so on, and so forth and depending on the chair, I could either have my feet as I have now firmly on the ground, very comfortable or that cushy chair where I'm dangling Lily Tomlin in nineteen sixty seven laughing, and that's what that was, so then therefore, that's not comfortable and so not good for you either to tell you that organically. You're supposed to have your feet flat on the ground here elbows a ninety degree angle. And that's how I am with the chair that I'm currently in which is by the way this was the chair that I used last week and the isolation files. This is not my usual chair. This was the chair that I bought that I went. Here's my answer and this chair that I'm curly is not the answer, and then that new one for ninety nine dollars was not the answer, either so if you guys are looking for an office chair, I've got a whole department and. Actually I do need a new one in the office, so and I and I don't know I. Don't know if I want that. One that you have said is terrible, but maybe the other one. Maybe the one you're in now. I wonder if this one is A. The other one. I'm boxing back up I'm boxing. That baby backup that. What's going right back to the depot? It'd be nice to see those guys again and so you're going to buy the one you originally intended to. I can't answer that and I won't answer it. You know what I want. Here's what I think I might do I might just by a chair. That I had that I loved that was no longer supporting me. I might buy that one, but that one is. It's expensive and I. Don't know if I want to drop that kind of money on an officer which is ridiculous because I'm spend. Many hours in it. So why not? Spend a little bit more and and and get. The one that I had was a floor model, so it was I got very good price on it. But to buy new, which is what I have to do. Well if the only problem with it is that it's not supporting anymore. Maybe you in the chair should just go to therapy. a couple of. Share to car and we're trying to do that. That is looked just because they're not cooperating doesn't mean they don't need the help Jimmy. Oh I don't disagree with that I think it needs the help. It needs it it. It needs to really. I can't believe I'm saying it needs to be more tense. To loose. Did you tell it about the pandemic and the the race riots? It's been hearing a lot about it. And it's. I mean yes, it's heard me yell into the wall over here about what's happening so and watching spectrum news for local coverage. It's all happy so loving spectrum news by the way that I I rarely turn on like TV news, usually the news through the Internet like right through websites and whatnot, but but this was a weekend, whereas like we just need to see what's going on locally and spectrum news. Is Great. It's it feels less. Like because it's not really commercial. It's not You know like most news channels have to. get ratings to to sell ads to make money to to function to Surive, and so that sometimes affects the way they cover things. Obviously they are. They're more sensationalized, but spectrum news is like almost like public. Access because there's no commercials is just a is just something that the spectrum cable. Provides I don't really know why they do it. Not sure what what's in it for them? But I appreciate that they're doing it matters. It's safe to say that your hair is talking about the finance right now. Yeah well if you WANNA talk, stocks or as I call them. then yeah, obviously we can We can get into it. I should probably have proved should've worn my My button up shirt with the suspenders, and the rolled up sleeves to really get into it, but remember that look good Lord, but to your point I agree with you about spectrum news is very cable access. It's just it's a step up from that as far as. Production value, yes, but the news. The the reporters are terrific. The. Anchors are all terrific it. They. They're doing a great job. Yeah! Alex Cohen Alex Cone. Still is, but was one of the anchors on K.. P. C. which is a Pasadena City colleges. Public radio station that carries NPR. And so I knew Alex from that I always thought she was. You know good at her job, and so it's nice to have if I think that is why it feels like this is has the error of legitimacy and quality that I respond to. Refer to Alex cone is the Southlands and When you when you tweeted that I was a twitter facebook when you put that on there It was very funny because it was. Admittedly it's before I was all in on spectrum news, and it was like you post that it was like what the fuck is this about? And then all of a sudden was like you don't over to watch that for a second. It's like hey, you know what this is my news now I enjoy. I, don't mean that in a negative way. She's just. She's just. Want the the well it's. Telling you! What's going on in the world? I agree with that. There's there's a comfort level to it. She makes you feel comfortable with the news. She was knowledgeable about everything in which he's not. She does her homework. Right, she's a journalist. First broadcaster second, and that's what's important with with the newsmen or news lady. I apologize to all the listeners outside of the southland. Lander can't appreciate that great show. Trust us. This is one of guarantees finest works I wonder if spammy spectrum is obviously not. Is it nationwide? Is it they must have the spectrum news for every market so I? Don't know a lot. Every market but I'm actually at their website and they do have they have a website with news. So, you can actually read some of their stories. That, I. Mean sure, but then the other thing is. If you go to the site. It does have so there in Texas Florida. what is? Else is down in Texas Right Matt XS Know So. That's rough I. Wonder if one of them is doing the news lovely. Guy Because of all. The all down there. They're all down there. Yeah, and a lot of them were in media because you would go on the road and you would like morning, radio and Spang around. Yes. I will tell you this in all of my. Adventures in this world. Never with their media, person never never had any. Not. Not, even a make out session with media person never to doubt that goes ninety percent of meeting people are. You don't know how I got on the road. Experimented when I was out there to I will say that I did try I will say that in Peoria Illinois once I was It was A. Female and I I? Pick it up some vibe and so flirted back. And then it went nowhere, but I thought that Chance there. Peoria was also close enough where it's like. Hey, you know what maybe this could lead to something I always. I always had. My head by the way anytime, I had an interaction with somebody on the road I felt like you know maybe who knows. Maybe maybe she moves to Chicago move here. You never know and then. Hold on I think I have I think I. Have a trophy here for you or metal? I CAN'T I. mean. That's not what I'm getting at. I was about to make fun of myself and say four zero chance of that happening they they want to. The young ladies wanted me out of their life as quickly as possible, and then pack their bags and head down to Texas right. Yeah I mean I think there was even a government program that provided? Some moving fees. Jimmy Bordeaux Act. They were covered. Met, you're looking at various our guest here. All right. Let's take a break Tommy. Shaw of sticks is going to be joining us at a couple of seconds here. Trying to get Tommy on the show for a while and I am thrilled that we're able to have that happen here. So. We'll be back with more right after this. Matter I wanNA talk to you for a few minutes here about light stream. Yeah, lights, Dream! We love him. Well listen. Are you pay more money than interest than you need to? On your credit cards will now is the perfect time with everything going down, brother, Yep now's the time to refinance your debt today with the credit card consolidation loan from light stream lights drew. You can quickly your balanced from multiple credit cards into one single monthly loan payment. Now dig this. Matt Bulk Map let me give us shovel. What nothing! You. Get a rate as low as five point nine five percents, APR with Auto Pay. 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He joined us once for report, Castagn or charity of Infra smiletrain a few years back. And he and I I don't want to say we've come. French that's. That's an overstatement on my part, but do I text him and bother him. Yes, I, do yes. I I'm a pain in the ass I have a personal phone number and I take advantage of it like a dickhead so. I've been trying to Tommy on the show for years and ever since podcast. And it's only taken a pandemic to have it happen. It's only taken us being locked in our homes to get this man on. Please welcome in Hello Tommy! Jimmy. Up? It's Tommy. Our I know you're you're in? Nashville correct? Yes, and how are you dealing? You're there I assume you're there with? Your wife is just the two of you. Give a daughter. That's where in San Diego is that where your daughter lives. Right so. We're just the two of you I. Do you guys take time going to the store? Do you go together How you guys are working out the the the Shaw Household. Well Genie. She's in better shopper I. Go to the store. I'll come back with. Gum and Keta chips and I decide what to buy. And, she will go with mask in hand and. She comes back with. She takes me under way. Come get it on. Its actual groceries and supplies and things like that. Hey, do. Did you think you're a bad shopper? Because not like a comedian who works the road for a living? You're a musician that worked road. Are you a bad shopper? Because a? We've never really have to do any shopping and be when you do your kinda running into a convenience store, and then back on the bus or back in the car with your chips and gum. You think that's why you never learn how to do it. I, think all those things and I'm just. I'm good at some things and I'm terrible at others and I'm easily distracted this my problem. I'll start. Looking at something. Reliable is like what did I what did I come here for right and so I just come back with just useless items and. So Jeannie. Does that we? We have animals. We have a dog and cat. We had three chickens and out I do the morning duties. Actually but. Very early in the morning, get across my chest and surface staring at me and the right. Hand side of the bed and they're like okay. That's not directly. I get. Actually So get up and take your bat and then. Eventually have a cup of coffee can start my day. That way explained the chickens to me. Would you say you are? Are they laying eggs, or you're making your own omelets fresh eggs or Are they just pack it around and keeping your backyard. Clean it was that they can't. They can't do that to be in a coup. Genie's drown disorganization months ago. The, four a lockdown! Is there called rent the chicken. And it's It's kind of a database of A. I think they might be national, but I know around Nashville A. They have hands and build these little portable kooks. Can Roll around there they had mesh. On the bottom of and so you know, they do their business on the ground the next day. Pick it up and you roll at to fresh part of your yard and they can get the fresh. We don't use the. But killing. People have the Green Lawns Rar Zamorano everywhere. It's over. It's the things living at it and a so a chickens love that we moved them. They're like Oh. Mid thanks, lager knowledge. Stuff. And then once today at a certain point. There's a little nesting box in the back. End and there's there's an egg. So we get three eggs day? Three eggs say. Nag each okay, so that's twenty one. Way and. That's that's a lot of banks seems like plenty of eggs. I seems like maybe do you? Is Thirty th of your genie opening up a little stand at the at the end of your driveway to sell aches, make it a little extra bucks. You can't go on the road. Well. We lived in. California, it was a little place gonNA. Take it back because after we moved here, it's somebody had a little Stand out by the road and it was an honor. Standards you know. Take the eggs and just put the money in the little box. but I. Don't think we're going to do that. We don't. We don't have that many eggs right you. You got the twenty one by your own account. You've got the twenty one coming in. We have a couple of scrambled egg. Breakfast is a couple of. Days at some. deviled eggs and You're still left. So, are you? You're no longer. I I remember you. You mentioned when you're on Perk Estefan. When you were on tour with Damn Yankees, and it was very odd to be on tour Ted, nugent, because you know, he shoot a bow and Arrow out of the bus and kill. Whatever's going by and have that for lunch. that. You are Vegan at that time, are you? It sounds like you're no longer a Vegan. I'm no longer anything I'm so I'm just a musician. I'll eat anything I I was. I was clean and sober from alcohol for about twenty-three years. I got corrupted with that again so. When I find out that I'm not. I think one of my biggest problem is when I first started. I need to stop doing this. was there was lot you know is the. Early? And It was cocaine everywhere or things that they called. Cocaine is like A. You know it although I have to admit I never had like the Keith Richards. Cocaine I. Think I'm mostly Promo Man Promo. Video. Cocaine that had been stepped onto you times with. What the as to do, so, what did you make you into? An idiot is just enough to make you stupid. Are Drink way too much in? Do Dung Shit and and in wake up the morning. Feeling like like it. Muttering to speak freely here, yes, of course he'll like a complete asshole because. Frankly I was and so so. Someone I knew. His said. Maybe you need to go to a meeting it's. was like. Yeah I would really like to stop doing this shit and right. Support and I did that for years and then. I drew a little bit older and little more responsible. Pointed out to me you. Know. I'm not saying do this. I'm not trying to be a role model for anybody. But I said I'm GONNA try wind. It was like. Question, why does it kind of makes you relax? So I was that was the end of of being? An sober for me. I'm still playing I still sober right now. But I will have you know an adult beverage team I sometimes, and of course your stolen a bunch of blow right? You're still doing the. Acting, I don't I don't do it, but I still sell it. The road. You gotTa make some money. But you're doing it on the honor system at the end of the driveway, right? One bag twenty dollars. I look. I've never done cocaine. Is that a good price? Is that a horrible price I have no idea now. Price I don't. You know that's the one thing I know I will never do again I. Never I never did heroin. Thank God right never mess around with the other. That kind of stuff. You know what's interesting. Interesting strong word. anecdotally, here's something I had to discover such A. I don't want to get people excited. This'll be interesting is coming because it may not. I have some bullet points Tommy of stuff that has happened in my life that you seem to intersect with in some way, so one of them actually is the very I've been sober now twenty twenty one years in July. Two, I never did drugs. That wasn't my bag more because I was afraid that it was illegal and I thought it was weird to do something illegal, but I would drink a drive like an asshole. That seemed to be okay. There's so the last time I drank this. This is one hundred percent true I was in Boise Idaho and. Your sticks album brave, new world had just come out in that June and July eighteenth. was the last time I drink. And I, the last thing in my ears I was. Passing out the last drink, then coming to was your album, brave new world so Thank you. I'm trying to think that guts. Well there you go, there's a brave. Here on that CD. See? That's what I'm talking about you guys. These are professional musicians. Where we got on the program. You know how to do this guy. He's telling me to play that. Nine, hundred, ninety, nine, two thousand. Yeah. See I will say Tommy IF I. If, you break into song. Just slide your chair back. So we could. so that they could tire doesn't overpower the voice. Come back now we're talk. Back. We don't either do again. That was the last time I drank and so I thought that was. Interesting! There's also another time that I. told you about this on podcast on. That I was at the Nine hundred ninety seven was that the twenty year anniversary of the grand illusion tour, and it was at the universal amphitheater here Los Angeles and. I was backstage and. Took advantage of the free bar and got drunk out of my fricking mind and. Then I'll say it. Attacked you acted like an asshole. I was like Oh. There is Tommy Shaw and I was I. was that Fan that you just can't wait to get away from and I? Just I I wouldn't let you go. I was the belligerent a man that talk about this with you and. It was all I kept on selling you. Was that your album? What if is my favorite I? Said Hey is my favorite of your solo albums and whatever you set back to me was not what I wanted to hear, so I then upped the ante and said I'm not kidding. It's my favorite album of all time. and. That seems high. Can we agree on that? and. In close. March. and. Parts of it. Fresh because again, I'm sure you haven't played that since the mid eighties when you were coke up. At sober. So. Tommy I'm interested since we're on the topic of that album and I had heard through the years that you hated that album. Is it because of where you were in your life that you didn't like it or or did I misread a an interview, or is that just how you felt on that day? I'm disappointed in that album is that because I was drinking heavily and doing cocaine, and and it was just you know. It could have been a lot better. Boy At the end. That's surprising to me because it I was working at a record store at the time. And we got the whatever the version of the Promo Day called that the white label or whatever that came into the record store, and I was listening to it nonstop, and the other memory I have epochal album is. I was going to pick up this girl on a date, and she said my dad wants to meet you. And I wanted to meet her dad, and he was wearing a leisure suit and. I just assumed that. When you turn fifty, you started wearing leisure suits. It was the most uncomfortable like why the fuck are you walk? Run a leisure suits, you Weirdo, and like it just bizarre to me. But but let's go back all the way if you're comfortable doing it. Talking about the first album I ever bought with my own money was the grand delusion in seventy seven. But you joined the band and seventy six. And Crystal Ball was your first album. I'm sorry. Was it seventy six or seven, seventy, five, December, seventy five, okay, so. sorry I'm off thirty days. Even remember it. Very proud of you. So you you, you're like a car traveling cover basically right? Do maybe doing some originals, but mostly covers out of. Thing that was messed up about our history were doing almost all original. Right heap cover, or you know tower power cover, but mostly mostly covers. Mostly our own songs, and on the Crystal Ball albums Internet for saga. That was part of an MS funk song. Pardon Ballerina. From one of those songs. I if I wrote it I figured I. You know I could I could fire for myself I'm sure. It happened so fast. It was like we need material. So. Here's a here's a piece that any and you. When you auditioned quote, unquote auditioned for sticks. They. Again I just let you tell it, but let me see if I get some of this right you. They've seen you at a bar in Chicago in this embassy spunk and they invited you down and they just heard you sing. You didn't even play guitar. Is that accurate? It's pretty close. They never heard me their tour manager. Jim Vows. Had come to, we used to play place called the rush up on Rush Street. It's no longer there's it's parking lot. Out It was. Something else. It must not have fun anymore. And it was a late night club, and so people would come from other clubs that shutdown compare, so we would always be planned for some pretty messed up fans, which was a lot of fun, and we would be Britain sending us up shots and stuff like that, so it was a pretty outrageous fun place but he came there and and came back in the dressing room. which was this stinky storage from behind the stage? With a with a bucket of piss in it. Was Not mine, but somebody else was in there, so it's like Frank Zappa was back there with us before. It was like sorry about the bucket frank. But I think most of us in the music business and hand some version of the bucket of. In. Comedy, there's stories of guys Yeah Yeah you don't have time to run to the public restroom. So then you're about to go on stage. Take a wizard bucket, and you go on stage Do I think it's normal, but it's happened. show-business! Very glamorous is atop thing. In the back I just a musician. I say you're there. The tour manager sees you and says hey. Our guitarist is leaving. We need a guy. Are you interested? He just came back there and saw the bucket left, but he said. When they were looking for someone may have just released equinoxes. I had the bad that I was in Ms Font given up because discount music. Really chipped away all the. Few Club days that we had you know they were always trying to get to play music. People danced the new and we were like. We're playing our original. Reclaim these fifteen minutes. Art Pieces Right. So bad and other things just let us to just willis down to nothing so I went back to my hometown in Montgomery Alabama. At the invitation of an ban mate who says we have? We have a Gig in a place where there's no dance floor. At one hundred people come and just listening to the music and Mike Two hundred dollars a week. And is seventy five is is that? Is that great money in in nineteen seventy five? Again in my band. That was eight times. What else making okay? As I, still had my last check twenty five dollars for MS lump wow. So, so yes, I'm moved back down there work from. A bunch of Parents Remote family was there on a little allison. Ended up at car owned, and I was no longer on the road all the time, so. We've did that for about six months in. We were really good little band. You know just just just seats and tables. And I wrote crystal ball the first part of it when I was there and. We just it was so much fun because it sounded good and people were all mellow in there was it was? I loved it, and so when I got the call from Jim to commodity, house like. I don't know man I got pretty sweet gig down here. He said. Yeah okay but let's just. Come on just. Come on come on this. Yeah, so I did that and And Act Guitar in a case but I never opened, took it up. We sat around the piano and they said you take this note. That was. They started singing. They were really projecting and I was used to be in doing like. You know like full. The birds bird songs are. Veteran is. Beautiful little harmonies so I just. Took a deep breath and belted out the. And not some. Still, to this day, yeah, and if I, if that's is that Laura lie is that what the lady go toity, right? Day. What do you think my version? You like that at all. Not too high when. Smiley. Early I. Don't I can't hit those young songs for note, so you kidding me. Late now horrible. I'm sorry, you Tommy You complimentary. Do you need me to come on tour with? Your pitch was great. I abroad, okay! Let's acknowledge that this man is a multi platinum selling album. say a musician the next time you guys bad mouth my singing. Let's remember this moment you go fuck yourself. How about that? Point of order Jimmy Pardo. Yes, I've never bad mouth. You're singing. You're the always bad mouth. You're singing. That's true. I know that maybe I'm singing the wrong register. It sounds like I got to be up there. In that that higher register enters yeah I. I'm going to be very honest. We just. Got Lucky this morning that? You Sing in the car. You singing the shower. Of course I do. Yes, that's. Voice that things. I will sing. Anywhere anywhere that it's allowed in fact yesterday I was outside, doing some handiwork in my wife, and somewhere in this very office and they were according to my wife. We were just having the The most serious conversation we've ever had since Oliver was born. My son is Oliver Tommy. When we were at the show here in l., A. so he's twelve thirteen and he. She said we were having the most serious conversation that we've ever had and all of a sudden the background. We just hear you start singing and ruining the conversation so. I get I. It was horrible for her. I can't imagine what my neighbors were thinking. and I was thinking. What the fuck it was! Admittedly I'M ON A. Little bit of A. I was getting ready for the show here, so it doesn't matter. We something Blue Collar man. That's what it was and That was the song by that, maybe discovering my son. You're. You're going to. Wait. For Lady. Jog Commission. Good chapter. Heard I'm just a poem. My God Holly Love. THREE GOOD! How much? Bad wasn't yeah. New. The words exactly. I've got those new. We'll take, those Tommy. G.? Takes. Three. Off. Her, WAS A. We're done. Let me thank you. Are you kidding me I just. I just lived a dream that was. chills that may be the greatest thing to rapid in my lifetime I'm not kidding and I'm impressed. Thank you. Thank you. Right, thank you. Austin Bay man I'm an idiot. I'm willing to embarrass myself I'm just honored that you were willing to tolerate that bullshit. What's amazing about that Song is how relevant artist even today you wrote that. I would imagine that was what seventy eight. The read that's off pieces of eight. That's. His piece of Eight. Is it oh? Yeah, you're right, collar, man and renegade run piece. Do you want to give a little taste of renegade since we're at this album. Lumumba. Life from long. The. Man is food. To Meron and so. From my home you. Oh Mama I don't know the word stop. Crying and I'm so scared and all. On Haying mad is coming down from the gallows on I don't have very long hair. CARE. Own. Age. March go stray. On? Her. Loving. Awesome I. was just also you know what we skipped. Joined, the band I listen to this is already exceeding my expectations. Joined the band they named the first album that you were and after one song crystal, ball, which had to be a a nice sign to you that you're accepted, and I and I know Tommy you've answered these questions a million times over the forty years and I apologize, but that had that had a feel great that they named the first album that you're part of after one of your songs, right? You felt accepted. Yeah I mean I a so excited. Being that man I've never really been in like pure rock and roll band are still out on soul music a lot of. You know like. Good and So you're doing that, and then you get called to be in a prog rock band and. was sticks. At that time the Equinox going to crystal were they headlining venues, or were they still opening up for bigger bands? But a little bit of both, then they ruled Chicago of course and my band. You we're getting twenty five bucks a week and then skipping out on our part APPs. But we keep hearing about this. Ban Sticks. And every week you hear star be three presents. What's happening this week in? Arlington nights sticks and song up their new album, and that would be okay, if in the next to that, be another new AL and they're still in office dates, or you know down his robes sticks, and there's a software another new out more. Like who are these guys right? It didn't come to our clubs. They were doing doing big dances and you know a plan Jimmy. Theaters, and and that sort of stuff so. I? told the story many times we we hated them. You know just because like who are these fucking guys? I can't be good. You know if they're not hanging out with us. And so one of the members of the band. Couple of the guys went out one night. They found that where they were planning and came back and said like. They're they're pretty good. Dent. Can that be but. So that's what I knew about them and they had Which I didn't know they got a new record label. AM had a new album out equinoxes and I didn't know about. The had a new manager who? was internationally well known manager knew how to deal with record labels, and so they were on arc. You know the. Hawks right. SWEETNAM LOU law rely I. Joe Johnson and midnight ride. That was the thing that that messed me up at the audition because. I still. was still yet clued into the amount of momentum that they had and I was still kinda like. You'd give me more than two hundred dollars a week. Otherwise you know I, still think it's small like that. Right, I put on, Dennis put on side two and played midnight, riot and J. Wise starts singing. And I heard that. All those harmonies like that. And and I'm thinking to myself. God I have screwed this up I. I thought it. I I could. Now I WANNA BE I WANNA be in. The Band is playing that Song Right? And so. I think. I think I did. They never really said. You're in. They just said home and get your stuff. Come back. I'm GonNa they sent me home with a few albums and song thirteen songs to learn. So I went home. Did that brought stuff back up and we hit the. So they never really said you were in. Did you? Still still never told Lawrence or your toddler there they don't know either there we'll see when we on the bus and you'll keep them on their toes. That's the way to do it right now. Chuck Are you know? They're very a whether in their grandfathered in the new guys. Exactly, keep them guessing you Wait what are they sitting members of the van? We haven't been vetted and actually. SMART I got a keep them. What. You do at grand delusion comes after Crystal Ball, which of course has I? Think is the greatest song of all time fooling yourself. It is just. A. Admittedly just as we do. When you think about lyrics of songs, you put your I always put myself in those positions like if it's a love song, I'm singing it to the girl. If it's a break breakup song, it's hurting to me whereas fooling yourself is. A cynical young man! Why do you see the world the way that you do and as a comedian? You know we do. We see the we see. The world is cynically we you know. And so that song even when I, you know when I bought it in seventy seven I was eleven years old. It was Jesus Christ this songs about me out. This fucking guy no me man. When you're artists that that's all part of what makes you good though? I disagree? It's all part of the layers of who we are and. So what what was the I see a couple of different versions of you telling the story was that song originally about Dennis Arisen about you at that age. Was it about somebody that doesn't even wince at about anybody even knew or was it just? A song that you sat down to write, it was about a certain type of. I hadn't been. That experience, but there was there was was. About, certain personality types and there was one. Accident we toured with and I'm not GonNa say it was but. He and his, he hated us. He had a good band. But he hated us. You know they couldn't figure out who to match up with. And matched us up kind of a southern rock guy and he just. He just fucking hated US and. And, he was, he was a miserable. He was just so miserably. He had hit records. He had a new lead singer. If I told you that it was the now who I'm talking about, somebody, who's this other guy? They had hit record with him and. Bake! We played about two gigs with him and. Cottages fucking hated rude to to J. Y. and thinking. What's IT GONNA take to make this guy happy right. Records you're headlining tours, you're. You're still going that in your oldest guy in the band and. So he was, he was part of that. Overall I was I was. I was still young and naive. I hadn't been exposed. To that many. Kind things that would just set you off in. You know so so that was My observation of those kind of characters you know who who have seen appear to have everything going, and it's just obviously not enough. so. And then song kind of wrote itself, and then and as I said has become my and I know I. Up say it's favorite sticks all the time and not ask you to play a tad of it, are you? John us with that. JCPENNEY gave. Up. A. Come on. You're. Going to applauded. That's how it brings me right back. Tommy I grew up in a town called hometown I don't know if you've ever had an experience of going to hometown. Illinois it is. Just south of Chicago in fact, we share eighty seven street with Chicago hometown did does I don't live there anymore? and then on the other side is oaklawn where you recorded a number of albums in Oakland Illinois which I find fascinating. Because what studio is in, Oakland Illinois I. Mean Pumpkin is, but but where was it? It was on. The street who was on? This outside. But. And whatever you? Say Again I'm sorry. It was in oaklawn yeah. which again growing up at hometown when we heard you know Holy Shit sticks his recording and oaklawn. We'd ride our bikes around trying to find you guys and. I gotTa tell you never found never. Never located you, it's. Not for lack of trying. So many years later the Tom I would. I've worked at a record store I. Won't go into the full details on this because I've told enough on this show and it seems unfair to tell it now. But I lived not too far from Prestwick which is where. Dennis. May still live. And so he would come into a record store all the time and he would come in in his tour jacket. And Always found that interesting of that He would show up in. His Sat in paradise. Theatre tour. Jacket the let you hey, dentist. Young's in the house. HOW CRAZY AND I! Only bring this up for this reason. How crazy was it in the I know you mentioned the cocaine, but in the early eighties when sticks? Let's be one of the top five bands in the country Do Anything. You want was completely crazy to be a rockstar at that time. At? The Height of quote, Unquote Classic Rock. It was fun. Yeah, it was a lot of fun. Yeah, and you're. For from It's it's it's still fun. As not bad kind of fun. You know it's different times We're all older more settled Davos still just. When when we go up on stage it, doesn't it? It could be. On nineteen seventy eight again. It's just so. Maybe, even better because we appreciate, do appreciate what we have. and. The musicianship the. Shops this band. you know I feel so lucky to be in their presence on stage to have to hear them playing when I'm saying to be backing them up in their singing. Is Unbelievable I al. I will attest to that. There is not a time where sticks doesn't come to Los Angeles that. I don't go because of what you just said. It's yours. You're seeing phenomenal musicianship you're you know you know every song? If you don't know this song if from new album whatever you know, figure it out and then go buy that album. Then get to know for the next time they come to town which is he addictive Reynolds adrenaline rush. I want to do that again. Right and and you guys do would be a pre pandemic. You guys are on the road a lot, right? You do a one hundred plus shows a year were doing one hundred twenty shows for. Ten fifteen years We had to cut it back to eighty. which meant you know what you get these offers? Okay, we'll do that. WIND UP DOING A. One hundred. And at and to your longevity, you're still playing. Nice size venues it's it's a you know the. Sabban the last time, but the time was the Greek performing the Greek or the time before that was at the forum, so it's not like all of a sudden. You're on the the the RIB fest tour. You're still performing. by the way those are all great shows, too. I'm not shitting. He's we. We play where the people are and. When I heard about that rib fest, it was like what. Is this. Out in their backyard. No, no, it's tens of thousands of people, and they're all happy in there, and there's no there. I don't know why they call it the best I guess. They have ribs, but. Steve Humanity and so we once we got out started. Getting some variety in in. The summer of you gotta go out and play outside. Fast If. You're going to be like I'm only langer. You're missing out on some great Shit, because to be outdoors like we. We still go and play Sweden fast. We we played there. Earlier this year. Sixty thousand people outside. and. You know there's something about that. We we actually we rebroadcast that. Sweden rock show and God was just listened to the track since like men on fire, so yeah, but we'll go play smaller places. We'd switch it up. And It really doesn't matter. Smaller audiences, irs are harder to play to. For some reason why? I? Have this conversation with Comedians all the time I like a smaller audience because I feel like you communicate with them as a comedian, you could communicate with them a little bit better because it's a smaller group and you're having a in my and you're having a conversation, so why if you are a singer songwriter as you are? Why would you find it more difficult to perform for a small? I don't think harder is is just so personal. Look at them crack. These individual, the water, and and those are oftentimes just filled with these hardcore sticks fancy, and they're never judgmental about they in fact. You know. Musicians the best when we make mistakes all through the night that years, little ones, but Even as you kind of hear it. There's so much coming by. But that's. That's the beauty live music. You know the humans up there playing and singing same time. You. Didn't take enough deep, enough breath or some I thought about something and I. You know we call it clams. It's an issue really were. You know there are some Baynes who just serve ridiculous I don't clamp free, but we're not we're. We're so into it physically and just the moment that sometimes you know. But then smaller theatre you know. It just. I don't know you just want it to be perfect in. Your spices with. Is the. Acoustics are fantastic and your everything. I don't so it's not harder is just a little more. More, intense I guess it makes and also I would imagine the smaller venue to your point that maybe the clams. Your were mine a musician Maybe they stand out a little bit more than they would in a Not as hidden as they would be. An arena is that. Is that safe to say? Yeah definitely, 'cause. It's all there's not. ECHO in the reserve. Right Okay Point just hit another. Follow up question about that did I just completely forgot what it was? Hang on your performing a small room. You're fucking. I lost it I'm not a good interviewer. I'm not good at his job. What. Go ahead. What are you playing? You got subbing? Just, just just wailing all right. I had. Shit I completely like let you mentioned mistakes. And this is a sideways way to get into this way. When spinal tap came out, there were the rumors that some of that was based on the Roy tour. Is there any truth to that like the retirees were maybe. The projection wouldn't work or something like that that Christopher guest based on, or is that just one of those wives tales that urban legends that's gone around now. Every band had their styles hat month. Has Been in the theater where you're downstairs in, you're coming up to your dressing room in this like. Where's the fucking stage door. Opening music playing. You're like. Where's the? Out. Final moment. Thing, the connection that we did have woods. Part of the manager was based on our manage, and what did he have a? He had had a cricket bat. Are Jerks Sutton. was He was a big. Big Man. In very good shape, and he would carry around a bull whip. And that was his thing. What the areas! To. Do with it I. Know Just just be scary. He's he's dragging giant with the BOA website. You know, do what he says. That was our biggest connection. At as a musician, I always get a kick out of this when I saw I remember being in a theater for people that didn't not that I'm smarter better than anybody, but you know having the comic. Instincts remember going at first going what the fuck is this this is. What kind of documentaries this? These guys are a bunch of assholes. These are idiots, and then it clicked on Oh. This is a funniest movie. I'm ever going to see in my life as musicians when you go and see that. Are you insulted at first immediately? Get on board with because it actually eliminated all the nonsense that you guys deal with. Yeah, there's there's such a ring. True all of it, you know. Sustain the an Atar and up turning it up to eleven. Issue can goes to eleven. Roth. and. Smelled a gloves. These ridiculous album title. They were so they're that close to home? Yes I. I would imagine Kilroy was here What At there's of course that famous moment in the behind the music of you guys at that Texas Festival where your performance like sixty thousand people. Where it was? After following all these you straight rock bands, and you guys have to go out and do this kind of a play before you. Before the concert I just did you beg Dennis? Let's not do it tonight I. Forget how the behind the music goes well. It was a theater production. Ripe we had. Might have had two small scranton in you know like. If you were in your room, it would seem like a big screen asked her down. This big and so there was this. Production the. So we didn't actually play. Mister robot was in the opening. Sane and Who's beautiful production very expensive movie that we had shot on film in La. What it was for a bitter size, and so there we are in the Astrodome, and a in a high in the dressing rooms, and the top of the Dome, looking down near, and it's like. There's one of our screens at. All these these. Sammy Hagar and opened up and he's got the transam out air. He's got you know girls on stage. He's climbing up all of its shipment out locks. Ted nugent climbing. Their plants triangle home. And they're just rocking. The House and I'm thinking. God. We're GONNA die. They're. GonNa kill us. So. It was very difficult out there in. Playing that opening because people are just like. What the fuck. Yet and their there had. We had someone tried to. Pass on the idea. Let's just start blue collar man and that was not met. With. Much enthusiasm, so we just went and did it. But I wound up hanging hanging out in Sammy's dressing room all day because it was kind of tensor hours. And You know the bed. We're kind of circling the drain at that point you know as far as. What we should have done that year is taking a break, but. It has like right now. You can take a year off and it's like now i. still going to be able to go do this, right. But no one actually with the experience if they had had the experience because we. We no longer had our old manager. You said Okay Asshole as you need to take a year off or do a solo album. Whatever's going on it off of you, so you can miss each other and come back. That didn't happen so it it just we just. imploded. Wow. Then but then after that album is worthy solo albums came into play. To keep doing something like. We've we've already completed the writing for a new sticks out, but we get back together to record it so I'm still writing so now, Mike. Riding Solo album you. Can't stop it right. Did you ever to that point of in eighty four. When you and NJ. Dennis all released solo albums, did you and this might be an uncomfortable question I don't mean it to be. Did you ever listen to those two albums and then say to yourself? While those three songs, these songs and my four songs boy that would have made one helluva sticks album was. All right. So. The vibes were just not good between rely right. Came a point. In my last solo album. Ambition. I was in London and Jay Wine, I'd tried to not. We're starting to talk a little bit again and I'm John. Shock there. It's tough for them because they weren't songwriters. Brothers. John Chucker, the Bass Player of the drummer at the time, and for those that don't know problems. and. I was in London and James Jefferson minded. And I said. Why. Don't you come over to the studio and? I had this saw. A. Scared. Too. Hi vocals all throughout it. And I thought God. Jay, wise choice right so I said King wider here here. Take a take a cab studio. And and any sang of interview. If you listen to dangerous game you'll hear Jay. It's like classic sticks. It really is and that album to your point about ambition. For some reason, man, it was the fact that you move to Atlantic records or something where it just got lost I know it got some mainstream rock radio play but that. That I think that is a flawless aor album that should have been. Better received if your first solo album isn't an homerun. Next Gotcha. You have one opportunity and. House to outs. I didn't really go about doing wanted to to make girls with guts first of all. A better record and it's. It's a really good record, but it's more of like a personal record. It's not like something trying to get. I just wonder right some. Just wanted to write and and be free and get out. Get Out of the music business, but still doing a solo record. And, so that's what that that was I am. You know I never always like being banned some I I don't know how much how big my heart was in being a big Solo Act. You know we got back together as A. Like. And then when got back to again this this band, and since then it's. I'm a bad guy, right? I'll do records, but. Like. I did the bluegrass out. The Great Divide, yeah, I knew the Bluegrass Music Association was not GonNa. Say. Rock and bro high off. I went over will I went over and performed for them in their offices, and it was really good, but I could see them going. But. Again. It's the song right either good song to their and feel like Bluegrass, if at all, and if you like the sound of Tommy show like that. It. It's not like I was some carpet bagger. Ornette was actually born in the same hospital as Hank. Williams daughter and you know. My father used to hang out with Hank Williams. We lived two blocks from from Hank's grade. We used to go out air balloons. Fine wine and you know so, and you know. Everybody knew it leads music so when I when when Brad Davis, asked me to sing when one of his bluegrass records. Because he heard me singing, hi, so he gave me the same. BLUEGRASS part underneath was like I. Didn't know you could do that. Well. You know. I. Don't go around advertising, but yeah I I. Yeah. Again it's great if you guys wanted. If people visit, it it. If you like bluegrass it, it's a great album it just. Time, all the great players. Nashville came on it Jerry Douglas. Until. Isn't a Dwight Yoakam on there and Alison Krauss I'm not mistaken her. Allison's on their. Ellison's also on your seven deadly Zeldin if she should not. Your? That was the first time. To hear. That voice and her ears, harmonizing with my wife and I were. We had a little guest house that we use them for. overdubbed in the studio. Listen both of us. Jeers Candy Bar Right. That's another one of your. That I have a connection to I was on a plane once. Coming back from Indianapolis right when that album came out and again ninety nine, so it was right before I stopped drinking. I, think and Now. I was on coming back from Minneapolis GIG and I. Was Listening to seven deadly ends on the plane, and then spilled my drink all over my. Tray and lap and I said to the guy next to me Oh. Sorry about that. I'm a I'm a little tired and he goes fuck that you're drunk. And, he was right I was still drunk from the night before. And another side by my point is your band in your music caused me to drink, Tom. That's what I'm getting. You single handedly made me in Oklahoma Alec and I want an apology. Why can I do? I I want to tell me. We got to give a little bit. You've got a couple more minutes to stay with us. All Right? Let's take a break. Let's take a break a break. When we come back got Trivia, we'll do that real fast and then. Maybe Tommy will do a couple little snippets of songs for us We gotta talk about the new album. The mission, which is now three years old. Boy when that came out, not shut up about it so. We'll talk about that, and then also I wanna about Tommy's charity that he's involved with as well as The Cleveland Youth Orchestra. Hear all about that as well so We'll be back right after this. Hey guys met here with some dates for you at Tommy Shaw is on twitter. At t's great divide. You can also follow sticks on twitter at sticks the band, t, y x band. That lets you know what's going on with them. They're eager to get back out on the road I'm sure sounds like? Tommy wants to be doing right now, so check out sticks on twitter and find out when they can finally get back to doing that. Jimmy Pardo is also on twitter at Jimmy Pardo never not funny is on their never not funny. Elliott is at Elliot Hooker Garin. His at my name is Karen. We do have a virtual live show coming up this weekend, June sixth. We're at flappers comedy dot Com doing playing games. We're doing a zoom room. Room version of playing games. We're going to have Mike Henry in the House I. Think using questions. He's written at least I hope he's going to join us. And we will have three contestants playing the game with Andrea, savage as our celebrity co host for that show, so that'll be fun. Go to flappers, comedy Dot Com if you WANNA buy virtual ticket to the virtual show, and that's about it for us. You can always find us on Youtube. 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To the program of so twenty six fourteen Tommy Shaw sticks is with us We've been talking about Solo career for a good portion of the of the last segment, but. We got to I just WANNA touch base real fast about Damn Yankees which High was a huge hit for you guys. How does the Well well there. It was A. Sample of high, enough and apparently Ted Nugent won't allow me to do anything more than that core. Go ahead you want to do it gives us taste. Jack Blades because he's. A. got. Any more. Anymore A. Damn Yankees went to WANNA say number three on the chart How does Damn Yankees? Happen Tom. You're already in a group like sticks. You're obviously the solo things happening. How does that supergroup? Ted, nugent, which look on paper I. Don't see you in Ted, nugent, ever being the same together. Let alone being in a band together. How do you to the guy from night ranger? How does that happen? Well. We were both on Atlantic same time he was doing. Can't let them like I'm like. It was as his album, and I had ambition so both wound up at this convention. Like a radio convention down the mountain blue. Ami. Though Ted Knight sitting there next to each other and we've met each other over the years, and and we're listening to these. Heads of the companies talking about don't have to worry about digital music I'll never make five digital player. To put in your car. You have to worry about any of that. Turns out that wasn't necessarily. then. There goes all your music after. It was it was? It was great, though is, we've nicest. Few weeks later By prager manager at the time, and I was looking for New York. He said John Calendar called and he said. He'd like to get you nugent together. See what happens and I had a band in New York Solo. Band Michael. Cartolini was in that manner. And so. You came to New York Michael and Norm Daler. Bass, player from Kansas. City, who was playing with US Jack Out, wasn't Jack Me and micro Loney at together with Ted and Chad was courting came in. All is nice air. Leather Panisse. Not Usual it's gloves and socks. And turns out he was. He was cording Shimmy, so he was trying to brush burns and I, so he had that on his mind and. and. Also. Chad when he wrote that first person. I was a loner cruising with the wind. I was looking when you pull I lead you. Like I always. Knew Damn well. Come UNIDEN will come again. Ted nugent. Lyrics right. So, I sent out and just started working on it and and. We had again. We kind of fleshed it out as a fan, and that was our first damn. Yankee saw come again. Is your wow and then jag blades comes along to my house, and within an hour in I rode high. He's downstairs. Do Laundry A. Brownstone a eighty nine street NAPA west side. Along to down in the basement and I whom down. Here. Anymore it's a shame. would. and. Back in in in a peon sitting right there so I I did. A. That part as I, Jack It. Yeah within within an hour we had. That was just day. One Jesus Christ, so you got come again. But we we all knew. Had A keyboard on it and we're going head. He's not GonNa like that. Shoot. Not. Out With we all. To do with the song. And we were in rehearsal with him. And he said all it needs. Some of that, you know this electric guitar. And he was right that needed. It needed some grit to it and yeah all that. Well, it worked. Again on paper the three. To your point, Ted nugent wrote those lyrics. He's the guy that wrote Wang. Dang sweet Poontang. So who would've thought that come again would would come out of that same head so his. What level do that to a man? I guess it will and so he. Do you again. You don't have to answer this question. Do stay in touch with them. Do you see the you think he's gone out of his skull? Where you to do to these days, we all accept each other for who we are, and we love each other we we get on. Get on threads on texts threads all the time. Okay, all frigging time micro-car looney was like the documentarian documentarian. OR DOCUMENT TERRIER! So. He's always posting photos or sending US photos of. In that photo. But thank God he did. Keep all that stuff. Yeah, Yeah Yeah. And we still love each other. We run into each other every once in a while I, I sang I end up with night ranger. Before last. It was last some last so. You Know I. Just talked about that on the last show over we talking about George Michael Elton John I always. When I moved to l., A. always envisioned artists would join each other on stage more than they actually do so. I want you guys to. I saw it was at the again at universal and. Ted and Jack, stick show Ted and Jack. Join. You guys or vice versa and I remember the audience bananas because it's a, it's always a great surprise. When only shit. The Don Henley just joined stevie Nicks amazing. Is this like? We We got together at Alice Cooper. Christmas pudding. It was when. When when Bush was still president. Vice sitting front row? Is Amazing. Hey, sorry, it's my son has come into the room and so here's here. Tommy. Here's our topic for again. My twelve going thirteen year old son Oliver writes the question. What I'm. GonNa call you and her to read the question. Don't you? Don't me. Look the fool. About it. COMES! Wow. Albert, you've grown. Remember Tommy. How are you good? How are you handling being home so much? I? It's all right What school I kind of I would always come just in a room for a long time, so that part's fine, so yeah, you get your dad's entertainer so. Right. It's all right here with me right. All right so television, don't you tell them what the topic is? The topic is music. Music's top. You're going to be betting in your head or eventually you'll tell us anywhere between zero and two thousand five points. On, how well you do on this, and then the question is as follows. Wait hang on, let me write down my. My Bet. I'm GonNa go with that okay. Zero, to twenty five dollar. Go ahead and read the. Why are you so dressed up today about a little meeting or something? Okay looks very nice. Okay. which organization tried to sue a band in nineteen, seventy, nine for their name being used in a song? You're trying to guess the company and they tried to sue. Abandon Nineteen seventy-nine, because the band used the company's name in a song. Or the organization's name in a song. Wow, it's a great question. That's a great question. Is. Okay so it's an organization whereas my son says and organization. You got that. A little bit of a Chicago South Side Chicago Guy. Jim. Down there. Okay, you got me. That is a man. That's a question Oliver Jesus. I know all right Elliot. What are you got? To Guarantee, I guarantee. You Got Garin oh Jesus. I'm going to say the Police Union. called. The COPS COPS. Union cops union all right. Yeah, something like that Elliott when he got all right well I I feel like I might be wrong just because all of our set of company, but I'm going with YMCA. The why? That's a really good answer. Police Association or something, and then Elliott, said the YMCA which is a good one Matt. What do you got? I I'm completely stumped. I was trying to think of any song from that year. That has a name of a bad name of a company in it I'll just say Ford. Tommy anything. Cracker barrel. Very, brecher barrel. We were down at the crack. Wondering what to eat. I got caught up an organization to said teamsters, but then. Elliott's point about it being a company. I am. I'm very confident that Elliott correct. You think you think so. You think it's Ymca Yeah Yeah. You, the answer. Holy Shit. Barrel. It's YMCA good job Elliott. Jesus. All right thanks dude. Guy. juicing your welcome. State. Hey Tommy before we skram, let's talk a little bit about rock to the rescue. You're kind to help us with our charity for years back and don't think I'm not GonNa hit you up on it again, if we ever able to do it again, but tell us about rock to the rescue. Real fast the organization that you start with with reo. Yes it about Right after the attack World Trade Center. And like I imagine everyone of you when it happened, you're thinking. What can I do? What what is there to do? and. So. We start asking that of ourselves Charlie. Started talking to. France turns out. That the The New York City. Fire Department in New York City Police Department was. Getting lots and lots of. Support intention there's another police. Department Lipworth Authority. Department and they were headquartered in one of the towers the. down. They were small or S- about six hundred. People, you know and. It was personal to then. They thirty nine people. were. Sedate I knew everyone on so. Turns out a friend of mine. In Los Angeles is good friends with someone who is just retired from Maryland. To Florida, and so we next thing you know where we're okay, we're going to support them. And so. Before this happened. We're not talking Charlie is what can we do? He said Call Kevin Cronin. And, maybe maybe we can get sticks and Reo to do a benefit concerts. I called Kevin. He was like man I'm Ed I'm sure my gas. So that was enough right there to to have a concert. And then Charlie we start. Let's just see who else nearby you also want to be involved and so everybody we ask said yes. And so we had this gigantic shows inner journey, bad company US gazes. you know. Cut leaving out a lot before and. So, then we wound up having a second one river and Brendan Byrne Arena and. And so we we raised three quarters of a million dollars for the. Police Department they made sure that no one took out of it. And Day came right check. I was there and. Let's go down to Ground Zero and let's give them a check. And so. In in order to do that though we we had an abbot name, we call volunteers for America turns out. There was already of volunteers from America. Considering what was going on, they gave so break bats. How That's how we came up with Charlie came up with the name. Roger the rescue our manager. And it's been that ever. Since we went through all the paperwork and all the licensing and everything you have to do to become, it's called five. Oh, one C. Three vessel that legitimately allows you to collect money and to distribute. As A. When you're, you're doing a trying to raise money you can. People can donate under that it's it's legitimate, and you have to be responsible for that, and you have to make sure that the people are getting that money too young to follow up on its if they've done it, so it's. When when you see somebody that has a gentleman charity like that they're you know nine times out of ten. It's everything's legit and that's. That's how it happened, but the day came where I got to go down. Know some other people. Down to ground zero get to meet the guys all working down there clear in space and stood out there where the president just stood the day before and Handed that check to George. Lawrence and he highlighted. Digestion is both like. is read in his life and he and I. Were best friends for Life Oh. We call each other on Christmas end. Because it's it's. It was just one of those. Things, right. But we've done. We have raised a lot of money. We support a lot of different guy a lot of. Things like animal shelters and food banks and. wounded. Warriors at Children's Hospital. So think I'm best. We wound up with. shriners coming out to help us and mostly a lot of times. It'll be a grassroots organization like a small. Shelter or something will come out and we'll sell raffle tickets at the end of the night. They'll be a dry and the person who wins the draw and gets assigned sticks. STRATOCASTER! Wow, this is fun for everybody. Stick around stick around soon as the band finishes, I'M GONNA come out and draw So I've I've met so many people backstage after the show in your whole guitarist like. We had a lot of fun, and we this was probably the biggest donation organization got all year right well. That's wonderful obviously. Because of our associates with smiletrain, we know from raising money, and so I think you for for doing that. And and I think it's always great. When somebody's able to give back like that, you know you've had this great success of this career and you've achieved. You Know I. I assume you've achieved every dream that you thought you would as a musician. And then now you're able to be on the other side of it and go you know what I've got everything and now with the help and get back. Her daughter. Is Nemo rights advocate in she has she's the best selling New York. New York Times Bestseller. Books She's written about. A how to take care of feral. Kittens that are abandoned raised them all up to the point where. Opted She's children's for that and. She's she's. She's called King Lady You look up? Kidding, lady? You'll say that's definitely my daughter. You know she. And her name is Hannah. Hannah. And she she has her own. Five Oh one C. Three, and it is it's. She's raises tons of money. And she started doing grants and a guy she's. She puts her money where where your heart is, that's great. That's and if anybody knows If you know this show I'm deathly allergic, but boy do I love a kitty cat. Oh do I wish I could have a little kitty cat in this house, but. I don't allow it I. Get awaken by our low Munchkin air every morning I have. The Best Digital faces. Tummy couple two more things before we let you run. I mentioned before we went to the about the Cleveland Youth Orchestra I find it fascinating that both you as a solo, artist and sticks have done shows with them How did that association COME TO BE? Liza Grossman who founded. In Temporary Youth Orchestra. What's called the Contemporary Youth Orchestra not there I. Keep saying the Cleveland, but it's in Cleveland and I'm not wrong about that I. Hope it's in the Cleveland area. A pool from fifty over fifty schools you. Think, it's from A. Very young kid gets considering the course that oldest. They usually happens eighteen year. I graduate graduate! But they act to be heavy rains in their school. They have to be in the school or Abandon Orchestra. So that's back to be that before they can audition to be in Cyo. So. These these young musicians are just ridiculous. I did a show with them or replayed. is like a greatest hits show. Greatest favorite songs of mine. And it was. It got played a lot on access to even. Out there. And we're doing something that something is in the works right now. with this year's. Cyo Orchestra and it's all just being post produced now, and it's this kind of thing. Right doing one of my songs I played it in innocence Liza cheap. She did I. Think, she's conducting in and it's going to be like eighty five. Musicians on screen, playing and singing and. It's. Just so amazing to be. You. Bet New fresh talent right. And how did how did you find them or did they find? Do they reach out you to do these shows, or did you did you? Elisa called Charlie and said what? Sticks WanNa do something okay. And, so he asked why in me. which took the band in ever life? Let's check it out, so we we send me would do it and. We picked the date at blossom. THEN YOU IN CLEVELAND! And out in. And they rehearse every with the orchestra every Tuesday. And so we've every week, one of US would fly down and listen to the arrangements and give them notes and this. Should have been this. This should be bad and little by little. We got all the arrangements worked out, and then we had this show blossom and it was. there. There's there's a whole I. Probably I think is an album that. Is One song if you look up sticks and the song just be. Is A so. It was like an in between albums song, but it's one of my favorite stick Saab's and and it's my favorite performance of it. It sounds like it sounds like we went in the studio and recorded it. and that is on the right and I know. There's the video on Youtube of that for. Everything is video Yeah, it's really It's really cool, so that's great I'm glad that again I'm glad that you you do that because I imagine that's a thrill for those kids, probably even bigger thrill for their parents that. everyone. Answer proud and the kids are so focused senior faces. They're and they're. They're delivering the mail. I mean. These arrangements are not You know for like amateurs, right? It's our orchestra level professional. Musicians and just ridiculous jobs and focus and. You know it's it's such. It's such A. You know I felt really honored. That's great. Yeah and it gets worth watching. If you want to hear your favorite stick songs done with an orchestra. That is a great video She is our guest conductor whenever we go and play with supposed to be playing with the Atlanta Symphony Orchestra. And she was going on and We'll. We'll schedule that and of course. Everything will twenty twenty one. We'll all be back. We'll all be back out there and we'll all be doing it, but in the meantime. Let's two things that we we'll go. The mission which came out two thousand seventeen is These guys heard me talk about it enough about how it was one of those albums where I would play it, and then it's over, and I played again, and then it's over and I played again, and then it's over, and I played again. Magic. It really is, it's A. It's a very much a sticks record. It's also very. It's really great. Now. Thanks. Run out of time. no, not at all. Bay. First, of all, thank you I. Apologize For being distracted, apparently, UPS's here to pick up the chair. That I'm using at the moment. I. It's not ready to be picked up. I did not scheduled to be picked up. I have no idea that they were coming to get it. Tommy told the story before we got on the before we had you join us. I went out and bought a new chair and I hate it with a passion, but apparently. They're here to take it back. By did not mean disrespect. While you're playing that song, I just couldn't understand why. Everybody was running into this room in a panic. I've been distracted by much stranger things. Sane any. We listened to the to the mission. It's a great record. Imagine you guys. You mentioned that you guys are writing. Everything's moving forward. You gotTA do sticks record coming out soon. I would imagine. Well we have to get everybody in Nashville to record it and no one wants to fly right of course. Right I. We don't want them to fly so. But blackbird studios at. That's where we do our no tracking. There Babe Open backup. Okay, billable so now we just have to. You know it might be might where ricky anti of a bus a year young bus takes backs. When we do not want to get them sick, we don't want. Right I mean that's just. To to. The problem. Well I. Look Forward to it. Before we scrape first of all, thank you for joining us. Thank you for your help. With smile. For years back in as I said I will definitely reach back out, and have you join us again if you have the time or a members for charity, we. Keep that in mind as opposed to might bullshit. Before we go Tom. Will you give us a We can go out on this. A little bit girls with guns before we scrim. So anyway I say about everybody now I. think Everybody for listening. Stay safe out there. We'll see next time on. Be of the pop gold reserves Garin cockrel behind video village. It's Elliot Hofburg holding down the headquarters. That's the met BELKNAP. Our friend Tommy Shaw. GOING TO TAKE US out? AK47 gone not forgotten. Thanks everybody here we go Tommy. A pain. Jack. Sir. comes. Do! Cute. Wonderful. Do! Tango To pretend. Something like that. Jumping back in here, I know we've already said goodbye and I'm going to say goodbye again probably. But we are. Now going to. Need to go around and do our scores and stuff for the Trivia which we need to We really just need Elliott's. He got it right, so yeah. No, it doesn't matter what were ten. I'm just curious. What everybody else bets? It was music I bet nineteen. The hardcastle! What'd you go with Garin I fifteen? and I went with seventeen so out. But that was I. Wonder what the story is behind that Ymca. I guess that they sued the village people that seventy nine. It's got. Well they have to be when it came out. It just has to be when they decided to sue. Oliver ripped it up. He had a little notes, but I think I. Think you nervous. So my my main concern of course is is what's happening to my lead so Garin? Can you give us an update on the season long? This chisels into it. No question about that absolutely Jimmy. You're nineteen. Hardcastle I met Twelve Atta boy I. You saw like matters. That's all the guest. Overall is at fifteen. We. Don't know what Tommy Bet because we didn't ask him, but he didn't get any points anyway, so it doesn't matter. It doesn't matter Matt. fifty-three. Elliott you have thirty eight. Okay I'm catching up on you buddy. Okay. Is it safe to say that Garin I have no shot with? No, because they're still half a season left. All right all right. You get five dollars out of the Jeremy Herval attributing so that ethic that when we're back in the studio, put your gloves on and take your money. Talk. All right well, that's it we're done. Yeah. Okay! There was more all right well. What we think Tommy shop for joining us I'll be half. Look at them down there. There's the Bob. Before I get into that everybody, stay safe. and. Didn't we WANNA. Tell them about the little that we're GONNA. Put a little outtake at the end here. Of course that was the look on my face I was waiting. I thought you had it, so I was GONNA wait. No I didn't have I grateful so while we were taking our our second break Tommy told us a story. That I thought it was a great, and so we are GonNa tag that on at the end here so I'll say goodbye, and then we'll have that story. Is that how this is? GonNa work? Out! All right there, Yossi? We worked it all out on the air. The lead you guys see the sausage. Get me. because. Thanks not cool Garin. My allergies going fucking bananas. Timmy's running a tight ship over here you go. Up with that. I'm sorry. Sorry I have the pop culture based. There is down there sneezing per store the allergy one. That's Gary Cockerel. BEHIND VIDEO VILLAGE! That's a cinnamon stick. That's our friend Elliot, Hofburg holding down the the ones, the twos at headquarters. That's Matt Belknap. Our friend Tommy Shaw sticks I'm Jimmy Pardo stay safe? You guys. We'll see you next on the podcast. AK47 gone not forgotten. By the way, thank you again for when we saw you at the sedan, my son just it made his. Was Right before the pandemic, but it made it made his role ready and. I tell people. You know. Just call. He caught last minute. You know and no one I. Don't think they believe me. When your friend? That's what friends do you WanNa, see your friends, and so they're the back door. Let him in forgotten. Irving off will Bob Dylan when we were playing? Kill right thing at the. The. Theater it was raining and in. Georgia's. Is Somebody out your back door? Won't you let him in? It's raining, says you know? Come in and see the show and he's like. Tickets. I'm about go your right and and the door on Jesus and I'd only reason I know that is a few years later. we went to see. was. Van Morrison at pantages. And we knew knew the promoter end. So, todd, this is. Somebody who's dating at the time for Mary, a drummer and ingenious inmate and In. Of promoted Jim said want come back after the show and we've hand where. Yes. So so we to go back and me an wars at night there was a point to the story but now they're taking. See Morris mets. Point So we, we went we did. We have to go van Morrison I cornered him in his dressing room. You know like like I. Hate to get done to me, but. Van. Morrison's all that stuff. Of course it I'm glad to hear that it still looks like you know under. The point was go so so desert are either in the balconies Jack Nicholson. They're just crazy, guessing looks. On? One long set of stairs so I start walking steps and. Downed mysteres. It's Bob Dylan. And is. Dylan instead. You're an Obama terrible did said I love that album. Bob Dylan's got my album. Might make a mighty soil myself. Yeah Yeah Yeah. And so. I said. Did, you try to get into a stick show and you gotta get locked up, he said. That's a Saturday. Yes it was. Validation like that. That was a once in a lifetime. Thing it. From the Best Jesus Christ. Love never not funny for a second episode. 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