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Oklahoma City Bombing, Part 3

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Oklahoma City Bombing, Part 3

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It's the extremists that are the back people your neighbor can be joining a ball. Welcome to the first degree, the true crime podcast a you might end up on my name is Jack Panic I'm sitting very far away from Alexis linkletter and Billie Johnson, and before we jump into this episode, this week's episode is the conclusion of our three part series on the horrific Oklahoma. City bombing story. So if you've missed the last two weeks, stop right now and go back and listen to parts one and two. But what day is it today billy before we jump in its International Bathtub Day oh ooh. That's when I can get behind. Do you know that the earliest bathtub dates to seventeen hundred BC and it was found in? Crete. Thank you checking in. Wow that is a fun fact I. Am not a big bath taker I get too hot. And I can't impro- knee and I just can't stay in their long. It's not for me. It's not relaxing well, you know what? I enjoy a good bath. This is what I do on. Sundays. I have the new. York Times I have a cigar. I read The New York Times in the bath with my cigar I cannot tell if you're being serious or you're being a poser. I think about every day I mean this is common knowledge every night I take some mornings I do also sometimes I take day I know you're a bad ticker I can't remember the last time I've taken a bath. It was probably fifteen years ago. Water me. For Shower? Talking, about lack sorry that was that was a failed billy I. Really. Okay once again, Bill is not funny. All right. Well, that's enough of that to let them of the Earth. So good one belly. Let's turn again still not funny. Lester number lights and turn up your anxiety because this could be you. Off the Oklahoma City bombing occurred in nineteen, ninety five, the investigation was the most time consuming and the FBI history. By the time it came to a close the bureau had conducted more than twenty thousand interviews in followed some forty three thousand investigative leads. Amassed three and a half tons of evidence and reviewed nearly a billion pieces of information. and. Our last episodes we've introduced to you Raanan Megan, both of whom whose lives were forever changed on the heels of this bombing. Last. Week, we took you through the events that led to the capture of the mastermind of this horrific act of violence Timothy McVeigh. But even with his arrest, the story was far from over because it's one thing to identify the culprit. But how and why still to be addressed in the biggest question at this point. Did he act alone right and here's what we know. By April Twenty First Timothy McVeigh was the lead suspect in the bombing when investigators connected him to the Ryder truck that was stuff to the brim of explosives and parked outside the building right before the explosion. And? One, thousand, nine, hundred, Eighty, eight was a significant year for McVeigh for two important reasons. The first this was the year that he enlisted in the US. Army at twenty years old and the second reason is because in the army, he met a man who became a close friend of his and this man's name was Terry Nichols and why is Terry Nichols significant? Because forty year old Terry Nichols would ultimately turn himself into law enforcement for his role in the plot. And he did so in Herington Kansas. So what was nichols role in the plot and how did he and McVeigh met? Funded Nichols arrest his home was searched and law enforcement found blasting caps detonating courts, ground ammonium, nitrate barrels made of plastic similar to fragments found at the bombing site. That's not all they also found thirty three firearms. anti-government warfare literature a receipt for ammonium nitrate fertilizer with McVeigh's fingerprints on it. A telephone credit card that McVeigh had used when he was shopping for bomb making equipment. And a hand drawn map of downtown. Oklahoma City. So all of that adds up and it shows that Nichols had a significant hand in the bombing. So what do we know about Terry Nichols Nichols was born in Michigan and when he met mcvay in nineteen, eighty eight in the army, he was the oldest guy in the platoon and the pair's friendship blossomed over their shared interest. In similar backgrounds they both grew up in rural area as they both were college dropouts and they both came from broken homes. They also both collected guns in both shared similar political views in one, thousand, nine, hundred, nine Nichols requested a quote unquote hardship discharge from the military. Then in nineteen ninety, he married a mail order bride who was from the Philippines. But there's kind of a plot twist here when she arrived she was pregnant with someone else's baby. oops I guess you know it's a crapshoot when you get a mail order bride and that's what happened. But why is this significant to our story? Well, because this baby was ultimately born but when this baby was two years old. He died by suffocating in a plastic bag while Terry Nichols was babysitting him. So Nichols wife suspected foul play. But since there were no bruises or any real signs of physical trauma on this child, the death was ultimately ruled accidental. and. Despite the fact, the couple went on to have two more children together. and. We're going to switch back gears to McVeigh the same year that Humid Terry Nichols in nineteen, eighty eight. He also became a member of the National Rifle Association the NRA and we'll nichols left the military McVeigh did not he served in the Gulf War and he rose in the ranks being promoted to corporal to sergeant and then platoon leader. Fellow soldiers who served with McVeigh recalled his infatuation with reading the Turner Diaries, and this book is a racist anti-semitic novel about a soldier in the underground army. And while he was in the army, it mcvay filled to qualify for the special. Forces program and this is because he was unable to do a ninety minute march with a forty five pound pack and following the failure. He accepted an early discharge offer and left in the fall of nineteen ninety one. In the four years following his discharge mcvay reconnected with Nichols the Para sold military surplus materials at gun shows then one thousand nine. Another significant event occurred. That began to scope the dangerous ideology that McVeigh would adapt. April Nineteenth Nineteen, ninety-three, Waco, Texas. So in February of ninety three ATF agent went to serve a warrant at the branch Davidian. Compound. And they were there because the Davidians were stockpiling a lot of weapons and ammunition. They go to serve the warrant. It doesn't go. Well, there's a firefight. Six members of the Davidians and for ATF agents are killed. and. Then they drop back and a siege begins and it's fifty. One days is how long the siege takes But it's not be coordinated by the FBI. The siege ends when authority storm the compound with tear-gas. Davidians lit the building on fire and seventy six people died including twenty five children. Now McVeigh Nichols. They were together as they watched the standoff between the Davidians the ATF. And mcvay even travel to Waco. So angry with the siege. mcvay became obsessed with the fear that the government could take away people's guns. The germination of their plan for the bombing began in September of ninety four when the duo rented a storage shed and began gathering supplies for the truck bomb, it ultimately built they stole dynamite and blasting caps from a rock quarry. The following month in McVeigh and Nichols laid out their plans to bomb a federal building in. Oklahoma. City. And they drew a diagram showing how they plan to put this bomb together and they laid out their entire plan on paper and they did this and their friends living room and their friends name was Michael Forty. So mcvay tried to recruit for to help with this plan and asked him to help with mixing the bombs components in help station, a getaway car, but this friend refused. So for the most part, it's commonly believed that Forte knew about the plan but refused to partake but also did nothing to stop it. So on April sixteenth three days before the bombing McVeigh and Nichols drove to Oklahoma City to drop off the getaway car the same one that McVeigh was pulled over in and ultimately arrested in. Then as we know, they were successful in this delusional senseless active evil. So, to pinpoint are summarize McVeigh's motives, it's complex but never to make, it's a sankt McVeigh claimed he targeted the building to avenge this raid that occurred on Waco and the reason he zeroed in on the offered p Murrah building was to target the ATF office that was located in this building, and it's also because the ATF was the branch of the government who initially served a warrant to the branch, Davidian. Ranch in February of ninety three and people like our first degrees Ron who lost his wife and Megan who almost lost her mother struggled to wrap their minds around the motives of McVeigh and Nichols. That asshole heart truck. Right on. Side of the building I guess he's trying to go after the ATF. Gas. They were on the other side of the building. But. He's parked it right in front of the building and and as he because he's surveys this building he walked right by the daycare was right there. Well little kids were and that's where he parked truck and it and it. You know if you look at that thing, sheared that side of the building. It wasn't nature versus nurture at all. It was nurtured. He was born into this culture. He was part of this compound outright right extremist. He said he's anti-government but this group that he was with with the Patriots, he winds about you know Waco and these innocent lives, and then he winds about being and Iraq and having to shoot people and. He, goes home. And does. This, it was because he was born into hatred he. That culture that he was living in these compounds these. Radical list I don't care. What type of radical issue are the word radical list is? Dangerous. McVeigh and Nichols were both charged with eleven counts the first three or for conspiring to use a weapon of mass destruction to kill persons destroy federal property for using a truck bomb to kill people and for malicious destruction of federal property resulting in death. The remaining eight counts for violating federal murder statute that punishes the killing of federal law enforcement officials one count for each of the eight law enforcement officers killed in the blast. And by this point, Ronn had gone through countless stages of grief and by the time the court proceedings began he had had enough. I got stabbed. I'm not going to be part of any of this I got I got a job to do people are looking at me I mean I would go to like when they had visit somewhere president or whatever they send agents from the field to go an augment the protection details. And I would walk into these. Won't be looking at me as far as the trials are concerned Michael Forty agreed to testify against McVeigh and Nichols in exchange for reduced. Sentence. So, he pleaded guilty to four lesser counts of transporting stolen firearms conspiracy to transport firearms. Lying Federal officials and have known about the crime and failing to report it. McVeigh's trial was moved to Colorado, after a ruling said that he couldn't get a fair trial in Oklahoma. The family of two hundred, seventy victims were notified but only sixteen mothers, wives, daughters and grandfathers chose to speak in open court of the effect the crime had on their lives. One hundred, sixty, three witnesses presented. One, hundred and thirty seven for the prosecutors twenty-five for the defense. And the prosecutor Joseph Hartzler he began his opening statement by reminding the jury of the terror and the heartbreak of that day. Here's what he said Ladies and gentlemen of the jury April Nineteenth Nineteen ninety-five was a beautiful day in Oklahoma City. At least it started out as a beautiful day. The Sun was shining flowers are blooming. It was springtime in Oklahoma City. The argued, the McVeigh was only a player, a large conspiracy whether that was middle, eastern terrorists or right-wing supremacist groups. 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A one point the prosecution asked him quote did you have any discussion about the deaths that such a bomb would cause forte responded I asked him about that I said quote what about all the people he said that McVeigh responded and said. Using the term movie star Wars mcvay explained to him that he considered all of those people as if they were stormtroopers in the movie star wars, he may be individually innocent but because they are part of the evil empire, they were they were guilty by association or I'm going to step in right here with this. This by the way is a line also from clerks. And clerks I believe happened after this but still the idea of well these people that were working in the. on the death star they were working on it, and then they got blown up might of you know they were still supporting this 'cause. I hate the fact that they use that. You know we know a lot about the history of the stormtroopers I can go on forever I'm GonNa Stop Right now but screw this guy. Fest Guy. So Timothy McVeigh was found guilty of all eleven counts of murder conspiracy and using a weapon of mass destruction McVeigh's expressionless at the defense table as the verdict was read. Terry Nichols was found guilty on one count of conspiracy and eight counts of involuntary manslaughter. McVeigh was sentenced to death and Nichols, was sentenced to life at a supermax federal prison after the jury was deadlocked over the decision of the death penalty. However. Feeling to get the death penalty in federal court people in Oklahoma crash the state to intervene and during that trial, Nichols was convicted on one hundred and sixty one counts of first degree murder including fetal homicide. He then received one hundred and sixty one consecutive life terms in prison. McVeigh asked a federal judge to stop all appeals of his convictions. And set a date for his execution. There's probably the only noble thing that he ever could have done. I disagreed because almost like he did it to be a martyr. Right like I think he positioned himself like he didn't eat before he he he did it to like. Get people to rally behind him for his all right shit and could also banned that he ultimately decided his fate at the end where it was like a control thing I think so yeah. Point. So it was ultimately set for June eleven of two thousand and one and his execution would be held in. Terre. Haute Indiana. As the first federal prisoner to be put to death there since nineteen sixty three. So at seven am. He was dressed in a shirt khaki pants and slip on shoes. And a restrict teams strapped him to a Gurney within the execution chamber. Thirty People Directly Watch McVeigh's final moments. While another three hundred victims and relatives gathered in Oklahoma City to watch the event on closed circuit. TV. Now, the broadcasting of his execution on closed circuit TV, with something that history had never been done before. And to note his last meal. Two pints of mint. Chocolate. Chip ice cream. Not about choice by the way, you know that's my favorite ice cream. It's also my favorite ice cream McVeigh made no final statement but he left a handwritten copy of the palm in victis with its including lines quotes. I and the master of my fate. I. And the captain of my soul, which also corroborates Jack said where it was control me sacrifices appeals he's. He's martyring himself. He thinks Donald we all know that he's pathetic inside but anyways. So after McVeigh was given the lethal injection, he was pronounced dead at seven fourteen am Ron? Brown. Art One of our first degrees who has lost his wife Cindy who was a secret service agent He opted not to attend the execution or watch it via closed circuit. TV. You know what I was doing that I rented a house right on the Columbia River. And had a couple of Jetskis I was out on the Columbia, River. Jumping wakes from barges going by which you're not supposed to do, but I was doing at out. and. I was thinking to myself. I'm here doing this. It's a sunny day out and that. Is Dead. I win. Mac and followed Nichols and McVeigh's court proceedings closely. Harry Naples actually. was convicted of a hundred and sixty eight counts of murder. and. You know the plotting and. Help building bomb and all of that the execution and. Timothy, B. They I seek got convicted of eleven. I mean he got. Convicted of a significantly less. Amount of death he was executed Terry Nichols. Was it I remember the conviction date more because I remember when the texts I sent out saying guilty motherfucker. That for me was more important than the execution, but the fact that this American one of our own. I really think that even me being. You Know Anti death-penalty. I did have this I of release I didn't WanNa have it. But it gave me guilty sense of satisfaction. It's like everybody could just exhale. We've all been holding our breath. And then it was like. Oh It's over. But then we came to realize it really wasn't over. You know. The reprecussions just. Never stopped. There still. Present And as we know just because convictions and sentences were handed down, doesn't mean the impact this tragedy had on those who lost their loved ones ended. One thing happened this is when Clinton was president. President Clinton was going to the dedication ceremony of. The Oklahoma City Memorial. So I get a call from one of the assistant directors on the detail say Ron, the president wants you to come with him. To Oklahoma City for the dedication and I just. I said Sir I haven't been back there since that day I just don't really want to do that. He's like he's like he's Kinda of taken back like well Ron really and then. Like I just it's not something to do and then. I. Got like three more calls from the supervisors and the last guy he was cool. I mean, he's like. What are people asking around? I said that tells me. He, said. He said, don't worry about that. You have to get on that thing I'm like, thanks. because. Here's the deal I would've I would've been there with the president of an arm around me or some bullshit like that, and then like all my friends around me and I, you know I just. Something I wanted to do there are probably a supervisor to that. We're probably not too happy with me through declining an invitation president. In retrospect I probably should have done it but At the time I? Know. There's no doubt. The Oklahoma City. Bombing tragedy all tragedies demonstrates both sides of humanity the light in the dark. Realized how good people could be asked realize what shift bags people could be? I probably got more cynical. Good side of it I. IT toughen the up and made me stronger bad side of it is. I took chances that it probably would not have taken. Before this happened and Some kind of dangerous with even. Stuff I did a secret service and stuff. I mean. Going out on things myself or I should have people with me You know. Confronting bad guys. Maybe a little. More Sternly than I would have. I, didn't tolerate. Bs very much. For Megan, the light she observed on the heels of this tragedy showed her something about the place where she grew up I have moved all over the country I consider my home Oklahoma. Number one thing was we will never forget. We will never forget and we call this the Oklahoma. Standard. The one thing. I. Can say about Oklahoma. In particular is that no matter what? During the Oklahoma City bombing during the May Third Nineteen Ninety nine Tornado it goes without saying they don't have to ask these media does have to ask. These blood banks are filled to capacity. People are setting up food centers. People are offering their homes for shelter. and. It doesn't matter what race what religion all that matters is that these people are Oklahoma and these people need help. And nobody turn. Anybody, away. Ever. while. This is where the mcvay story ends. It's not quite the end of her story for many reasons the ideology held by mcvay while he planned, the bombing did not die along with him. It's not that surprising. For me. That it was going on at this time it was a wakeup call. To the severity of these outright supremacist I think they've always been there. I just think that now that they've been giving such a voice. Because of social media. People are like realizing that these people exist but they've always been there. It's SORTA boiling point you know the next attack. On this country. is going to be one of our own. It's it's not gonNA. Be a foreign attack. I don't believe. I think it's already happening I, think people already plotting it. It's scary. It's really scary and we've seen it over and over with these school shootings with these guys, you know hitting up the nightclub and all of those are just conveniently forgotten because. There's these all right extremists calling themselves patriots. Ironically, even though their anti-government. and. It's like that gets kicked by the wayside and I think right now at this boiling point, it's more important than ever to remind people that your neighbor can be building a bomb. They WANNA BE AFRAID THEY WANNA be able to point a finger at a race at a religion. And say, these guys are the bad guys. They don't want to accept the fact that that guy sitting next to them. In Church quoting scripture. Could. Also be secretly. Planning. You know this massive event because that's what happened they don't want to. Acquiesce to the fact that Muslims are that people it's the extremists that are the bad people. Christians are that people it's the extremists that about people and it's hard to comprehend how two people could bring themselves to perform an act. That would ultimately take the lives of one, hundred, Sixty, eight people. Every year. Anytime I see a number I for one nine together. And every year that data approach is. I'm in the state of mourning and reverence and. Flashbacks we're surrounded by churches and every single trick there they ring the Bell hundred and sixty eight times. We have Oklahoma. City Marathon. We have the right to remember. And everybody shows up to those events. Everybody does it's a big day in Oklahoma nobody's there has forgotten except for, of course, the people that weren't enough for weren't born yet, but it is a day like nine eleven dot com. Now while I'm here right now I'm in Arizona nobody even gives a second thought and if I mentioned it They're like Oh yeah like it's not a big deal. And then on you know everybody remembers nine eleven because I guess they were more deaths or because it was foreign but it's hard because we forgotten because quote unquote larger tragedy happened that day. In May of Nineteen, ninety five, the offered p Murrah building was fully demolished and in two thousand, the Oklahoma City national morial museum was constructed and its place. It contains a reflecting pool with gates on. Ir. Side One march with nine one am the other nine three. The time of the blast to its south are bronze and steel chairs one for each victim killed in the blast, and there are nineteen smaller chairs for each child lost. Why chairs. Because they represent the empty chairs at the dinner table, the chairs that would never be filled again. All right well huge. Thank you to both Ron and make for being our first degrees for this episode. If you're out there and you have a story to tell, please please email us. Hello. The first greet PODCAST DOT com fall is on instagram at the first degree Alexis linkletter Bill Johnson at Vanik join our facebook group. 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Well, it's real simple with the Times that we live in right now in the world I think you need to be motivated in spied educating aware. Positive. So what I'm here is to motivate the world and let them know we top cosby. You won't hear the truth four to the PODCAST. I look forward to showing job teaching how to take it from a negative to positive get rid negative to positive, which you could catch the podcast podcast one in spotify. All. Right. Well, welcome to another episode of killing time that killing. Back. Now. Why Oh no, it felt. So natural I, take it back. That's me the stealth bomber. Planted in your subconscious and it manifest on its own I know have you been like have you been giving me subliminal messaging over the past few weeks to get it to the? That's right. You just keep saying. That's right. Jacqueline you know I roll damn it. Well, you know I'm pissed number one but number two I thought that for this episode of killing time we'd get a little spooky. You know it's Halloween season. It's fall time we should get some. We should get some spooky vibes up in the air. Yes which vibes which pipes lexin I were for Halloween last year. I cannot believe that was a year ago. That feels like I just bought that stuff on Amazon yesterday I know. I know just blink an hour back to October. So for my first, I pulled our facebook group. Thank God, we have them I can't come up with anything on my own. The brains this opera yes and I our facebook group I really do love our facebook group. I think it's up to eighty five hundred people. You know what's crazy is I While I never look at numbers but. Recently, we looked at our downloads of our podcast. We're looking at her instagram we're looking at the facebook group. We've really grown the from the first EAS are out and about and I love it. We have the best face pirker they really are in. We also have the best mods I know. This arm odds handle shit and I know because sometimes people you know and you have a facebook group people think that you're in their twenty four, seven reading every single post we are we are not. We try to his comments on most things. No Billy does billy delays. Screen time is up from last. What are we at now? Check your phone I. Bet you. I bet you it is. I bet you it's up but I the things puff of my feed, which would be members I interact with eight hours and thirty four minutes is Billy's daily average right now that is so absolutely insane. But Google. Is Two. Hours of that though. messaging is two hours net acid Jing is actually an hour in fifteen minutes Netflix's on your phone. Sometimes I do safari is don't. Yes. Auto Pri- is this is not like it's not me looking at my my yeah yeah yeah yeah billy. Says the playing says, that's that's your average and those are your most us. No Billy you're on your phone too much. anyways. Enough of Billy's screen time we are. We talked enough about his screen time last time. So I e is I was compiling some some questions from our I, E S, and the first thing, and the major thing that everybody wants to know our opinion of is candy corn. No negative. We we all agree that candy corn is a no-go. What I like to do with candy corn is put them in my mouth in a weird way and make them look like teeth but I don't Wanna eat that I spit them out. Or make them look like little vampire teeth and then I spit him out or Iraq I will say this about Candy Corn They make these Candy Pumpkins that are like Candy Corn Pumpkins that have a little bit of chocolate in them. I can deal with those I'm all about those listen and I love it. Anything Halloween so I don't WanNA completely disparage the marriage, the corn. My at the end of the day, I would rather choose a lot of other things other than. Is What is the flavor I was just going to ask that what is the Candy Corn Flavor and also is there actually any food and candy corn because it just tastes like Styrofoam? Born no candy corn is supposed to shut us like which is blood that is. Why Real Billy. Look it up. I. Did just learned for the first time in my thirty three years existence. This is probably last year at the corner the candy corn when you put them all together. They make a corn on the COB in Cobb. Yeah. But maybe the flavors supposed to taste like corn, you know how? Corey Kluber taste nothing like great. Yeah. Just to yeah. Grape flavor. But like it's made up, that's not what grapes tastes like. Now it's a made up like flavor maybe that's what Korn. Artificial sweetened corn to the maker. They've been trying they've been trying to like yeah. Conceive this idea of what coroner actually tastes like I. Don't buy I. Don't know if there's anybody out there. That actually likes a candy corn. Nothing the trash alexis new phrases corn to the maker. Definition. Know. It's something that she says in her APPS now. I don't know how to respond to that I. Don't know where this lexin election you just said it just down Gordon to the maker I. Amends like the maker of Candy. Created as flavor it's like, where did the flavor of bubble gum come from? Where do the flavor of Dr Pepper come from they just make these things up doesn't. It doesn't occur in nature all these people. IDEA. The is it wasn't. Like Coca Cola originally had cocaine in it. So I feel like the Coca Cola taste was probably to mask the intense metallic flavor of cocaine probably metallic. Give coke is such coca. Cola is such a distinct flavor. You do wonder where they came up with it. Is it like a Dasha? Vanilla like I know Dr Pepper the old commercials say like flavors or something yeah exactly. Like even flavor like bubble gum what is? What is They make that from and how I feel twenty Korn is like that. Yeah and how did somebody they came up with it? They're like this is this is it and you know this happened like one hundred years ago. So like back in the early nineteen hundreds or like Yes. and. Then they landed on the candy. Corn Flavor which people hate. Eureka and then it's also the best selling. Halloween. Candy somehow still because that's probably because it's been around for probably the longest and it was like the only form of candy back. I'm really just like have no idea if this is true but I'm assuming it was one of the first candy and it was like the only candy and people you know back in the day when you haven't tasted glorious nece, you like think. Shitty things are tasty. It's like when I was Vegan and I thought cafe gratitude food was good and then I started leaving me and I'm like this tastes like cardboard Haffey gratitude is not good. Have you tried their pancakes awful I hop. But when you go to cafe gratitude you you talk about your recent dream I, like the way that you order their marketing like I'll have one hot cup of I'm grateful for my mom. For anybody listening that doesn't know what we're talking about. There's this restaurant called cafe gratitude. It's in Venice and a couple other spots in la it's very hippy dippy everything is labeled I am. Endless or I am great fuller. I am humbled the lead in the wind look for my final destination and then when they place, you rate your order with them or whatever they're like. Okay. Well, I'm GONNA leave now and I want everybody to talk about a recent dream that they have had. Like God. Damn it. No. You know I think it's a force for good. I mean I like the idea that I don't like it in practice and I don't like their food if the food tasted good, I'd love it like Veggie Grill veggie grill is Vegan and tastes amazing. Because veggie grill just makes all their shit out of like. It's just a bunch of junk food and it's. S You want it you just go to Taco Bell and say a prayer before the Taco Bell and then you're Mexican pizza, it'll be okay I did learn that apparently there is I learned this from Becca from my other podcast. There is a secret Taco Bell Vegan Taco on the menu and I don't know how to order it, but it is apparently the Lucio. Alicia. So that's labor not. Swipe or no swiping I don't why do you keep bringing up Dora the explorer because it's an awesome you don't even have young children my children endure these. Didn't. Yes. The explores like new isn't it? It's not. It was a round like fifteen years ago or so. Okay. anyways. Next question we're just GONNA stand this candy thing. This is good. What is everybody's favorite Halloween Candy and least favorite Halloween Candy I already know the answer to this for me go for it. So my favorite ever. Is. Kit Kat real because I like to bite the chocolate off the sides, cut off the top and then I peel the wafers apart and eat them without chocolate. It's the best tasting thing. Okay. Ever. least favourite I hate like sugary candies I don't like Pixie sticks or. Things like that. So I minus kind. Or mounts also. But mine is sort of similar to yours where my favorite is a twix and I used to love getting twix and then getting. Pretzel and then scraping the top of the twix with the Pretzel and then having a Little Pretzel surprise a Little Pretzel Caramel chocolate surprise, and then eating the twix wafer or whatever it was cookie. Separately. So I got two snacks in one. This is similar to what I did with the kit. Kat and the twix is my next favorite I. Love Twix Twix is delicious, and then yet my lease we're the same lexus we love chocolate, and then we hate a heinous wheat I hated candidate A. A senseless arbor I like a starburst is okay. But like a smarty or like like those little remember those little. Cola like you things that you would take the wax shoes. Billy what's your favorite and least favorite? My favorite would be a tie between pennies and apples always love the the one woman on the block that would give either pennies or apples. Are you talking about pennies the coin? Only. Kill Your? Age, my favorite candy would be. peanut butter cups. My least favorite would be probably. Mary Jane's what's Mary Jane or a bit honey or something better honey same i. don't even know what either of those are or were there is if you get a worders original. Others. Yeah. You're like an old lady at heartfelt. Just like a nice little butterscotch is very odd brand for you. Actually should be the lady in like twenty years just keeping your purse Jack, hand him to kids. I feel until the kids. Oh, have one now. I'm going to go to sleep at six out as I feel like as an adult I shouldn't be giving kids candy out of my purse I think you should, and also you know those those candies they've got like strawberry print. was. Old Their Gross. Why grow? Grow Strawberry. Talking about, I'd say. Apple. At the office where that we're doing the show there's pineapple strawberry, and then you bite into them and boom there's A. Shelly surprise. And love those and that is so not something that usually like. But there is something very comforting about those candy because they're always available at like doctors offices or just somewhere there was like a childhood kind of thing. That brings back the nostalgia. Very nostalgic. That's how I feel about workers. I just love the strawberries so good. We have any other. Can we're getting Jack for her FROZEN EMBRYO PARTY? A bag of strawberries squish jellies candidates. Know what I will do. I will say is that whenever I would go to a house and they would give away a pack of Gum. Or something like that. That was always. A win it was always so hard to chew in dry and then your jaw hurt. Trying to chew gum like bowling. Raft. Gum. Talking about like a bubble. Yum. Bad for your jaw. In the rapper and it was so it was so dry and you could barely even get it to like turn into actual gum. I think you're not having the right W. Maybe. You just have jaws like Piranha. I wanted to be the cool high LoC when I I had a house I bought the giant. Regular size candy bars and I was like the House that gave out the regular size candy bars about ten years. Do you were that house? We wouldn't was bubbly I'm looking at. It was like zebra fly they have like a watermelon. Is Clever thinking about the the big listen I liked getting the bubble yams, the bags of the big ones. I like those houses. Maybe I trick or treat at Your House concert billy when I was a child and you were an adult living. I. Feel like that is a good place to end because I was the best Zinger I've ever heard. Zing. Zing. Going to go into micro chamber now. Okay. You and Walt Disney uncle. So time of death fourteen, thirty beeping beep death.

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Lorena Bobbitt

The First Degree

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Lorena Bobbitt

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So it's really sad that the media portray me as a crazy hot blooded Latina which is basically a race statement as well so I wanted to set the record straight that a lot of women who actually wanted to talk about the issues of domestic violence and sexual assault couldn't because their boss were men while the first degree that true crime. Podcast that you might end up on my name. Is Jack Panic. I'm sitting away from Alexis Link Ladder and father away from Billy Johnson. It is eleven. Am and Miss Alexis. What are you drinking? I'm drinking a Rosa and orange blood. Orange Soda Spitzer with blackberries in. It sounds delicious. It's called self care. It is called self care and you know I saw that. There was a study about all. This is a Sunday. We're not during working hours but there was a study done that I think. Forty percent of people are drinking during working hours. So this is just. This is our new normal. You guys that we've been living in forever and I just started. Yeah that's true and I start drinking just a slightly earlier than I used to. It used to be like seven now. It's four was. I won't do it in the morning. But four o'clock my See Mornings my ideal time to drink. But you know that's because you go to bed at six. Yes I know. Gives me a full full day to enjoy the festivities? But anyways billy what day is it today it has nothing to fear day. Oh that's yes interesting here but here itself. Yeah there's also it's also old time player Piano Day but I know that that would just bring on a lot of old jokes towards me You're you're projecting we were going to say you love. Pno's any other good days. No that's pretty much it. I think we're well Alexis says that's enough of that. So let's turn down the lights and turn on your anxiety because this could be The Story Lorena Bobbitt drew media attention in Nineteen ninety-three for being one of the most disturbing domestic dispute stories to ever hit the news. Lorraina was not the first woman to ever fight back against her husband and she wasn't the last but her story was one of the first to change the way the world perceived domestic abuse and sexual assault laurynas sent a chill down the spine of abusers from around the world. Because with that kind of a knife she wasn't only asking for things to change but she was screaming for it. Demanding it in the entire world hurt her. So today's case takes us back to June twenty third of nineteen ninety-three Bill Clinton was president. That's the way love goes by. Janet Jackson was on the Charts and the movie. Jurassic Park was the top at the movie theaters and the setting for today's case. Manassas town northern Virginia which acts as a bedroom community to Washington. Dc resign twenty five miles away from the suburban area and the place is rich in American history. And it was the site of two civil war battles battle bull run by a rower and two and re-enactors often depict those battles near the MANASSAS national battlefield. Park. It's quiet and for the most part. It floats under the radar as far as scandals are concerned but all of that was about to change between two and three. Am On the twenty third of June nineteen ninety-three calls between law enforcement officers started ping pong in between one. Another in the information that was being shared was shocking and confusing. There was a man at Prince George's hospital who's bleeding profusely. What happened? His penis had been cut off. Did it is wife her name. Lorena Bobbitt this is a narrative that many of you know but what many of you won't be familiar with is exactly how this happened. How did Lorena Bobbitt become arena bob it and beyond that? What variables and Seidel implications contributed to the Lorena bobbitt phenomenon? We're all familiar with while to answer that. We need to go back to the beginning. Lorena Gallo was born in Ecuador in nineteen sixty nine before eventually moving to Venezuela where she was raised and it was during her childhood. There that Lorraina fell in love with American culture and this notion of the American dream so she decided she wanted to move to the US. She visited America when she was sixteen and she was given the trip to come visit as a consumer goofed and she just fell in love with life. Here when Lorraina got here. She didn't speak a word of English and she learned by taking. Esl classes in watching soap operas and the price is right on TV whenever she cut. She was here on a student visa and she started taking classes at Northern Virginia community. College between taking classes she worked as a manicurist salon owned by woman named Johnny Basuki in fact Jan owned three salons and she took Lorena under her wing and they became fast friends. It was details told near Quantico that Lorraina was approached by a handsome marine lance corporal named John Wayne Bobbitt. John was from Niagara Falls when growing up. His father was not really in the picture. And there's a few of the sad details about John's childhood was that his father drank and beat his mother which caused a really volatile environment by h three John and his two brothers were taken away from his mother due to drug use and neglect and they were sent to live with an aunt and uncle when John was old enough he enlisted in the Marines which ultimately brought him to Virginia which then brought into this dance hall where he met Lorraine and Lorraine was and still is stunning and exotic when the two met apparently the attraction was undeniable in an interview for the Amazon Documentary Lorraina. She said I thought John was very handsome. Blue is a man in uniform you know. He was almost like a symbol a marine fighting for the country. I believed in this beautiful country. I was swept off my feet. I wanted my American dream so they started dating and things moved quickly in the pair got married nine months later in one thousand nine hundred eighty eight. Their wedding small and performed by a justice of the peace and rain expected marital bliss to ensue. But that's not exactly what happened. So the domestic abuse started almost immediately and by ninety one John had been discharged from the marines and he found himself without a steady paycheck. And this prompted then twenty two year old. Lorraina to become the breadwinner of the family during this time. Lorraina worked as a nanny Virginia area and she continued to work at the beauty salon owned by her good friend. Janet and in this Amazon Series. Lorena said that one month after she and John remarried the to driving in the car and John started driving radically Lori and ask them to stop pleasing her hands on the steering wheel and trying to straighten out their route and it was in this moment that John allegedly punched her for the first time. And this wouldn't be the last time. More fighting ensued and escalated both called nine one one on each other but the violence continued and being the breadwinner. Lorraina felt immense pressure to provide for them to the point where she actually started embezzling money from the salon where she worked over. Seven thousand dollars and remember Jonah. The store owner who had become so close with the Raina. She realized what was going on. So she actually let Lorraina keep her job at the salon but made her payback the money with interest. You knew she was having these awful times at home but remember it's nineteen ninety-three it's Nassar's Virginia. Lorraina has newly arrived in this country. Relatively her family's not here and there were very little resources for her to turn to as far as getting out of her situation that time I didn't have the resources Like we have now for example cell phones the Internet so I couldn't really search for any resources. On there is no hotline. The violence against women's act was not was in diapers basically didn't really exist. It like I said women did not when I called it believes Did this catchers of the nine one. One didn't know how to help me. Because ending know how to handle The victims of domestic violence or the police either in a had to sleeping might call our many times shelters There's no shelters in my community. There was a one shelter that it was were homeless. There was no domestic violence shelters. Even now there's still one shelter and provide eighteen beds in my community of Almost a million people in my family was in. I'm from Ecuador in I grew up in Venezuela and so my family wasn't Venezuela I came from Venezuela and My family away from home was a very sweet nice family That took me in France of my family and a John did estimate may from them. I have no idea what was that of Alex. And little by little he also relate me from my friends in. There's no way that I I have. I can have phone calls. Because he got jealous. I didn't see the red flags of that. I didn't see those signs. You know When I met him was basically it was a nice guy. I mean he was very charming. I wasn't very young naive girl anyway. He was my first love so I wasn't sure what was going on with. This and Lorena was not only being abused. She was so isolated. Remember she didn't have any family in this country so she you know. Just think about that you you. It's your second language. You don't have any family in this country. You marry this guy that's supposed to be your dream guy and then he just starts beating you and you're also twenty two and you become the breadwinner to take on as time moved on. Things didn't get any easier. Lorraina and John's house went into foreclosure. It would break up and make up and rinse and repeat more turbulence Lorraine learned that she was pregnant and when asked later about this time John and Lorena tell different stories. How this exactly went down. According to Lorraina she was excited to start a family until on the news and he was less than thrilled to hear about it. She said that John Didn't think he was ready to be. Add threatened to leave if Lorraina wanted to keep the baby so Lorena didn't have anyone else in this country. She was in her early twenties and didn't want to raise a baby on her own understandably so according to John He'll arena agreed that it wasn't the right time for two of them to have a kid and they decided on an abortion together but she claims that John was the one who suggested she get the abortion or he'll leave so by June twenty second of nineteen ninety-three John and Lorena had been married for about four years. And it's on this day that the subject of separating and possibly divorcing had come up in conversation between the two. This conversation was heated and afterwards learning. What to the police station to ask whether or not she could get a protective order against John. The police said yes she could but they said it would take about three hours to process all the paperwork for the situation and for whatever reason Lorena didn't WanNa wait the three hours and then she left or was forced to leave and that same evening John had named Robert Johnson staying with them so John took his buddy out for some good old fashioned drinking. When John and Robert got back from the bars Robert went to his guest room and John got into bed and fell asleep and he was severely intoxicated. Then as Lorena tells it John Sexually assaulted her and forcibly raped her. After that Lorraina went to the kitchen to get some water in the kitchen she sees a knife sitting next to the kitchen sink and she picks it up. She goes back into the bedroom and then she slices. John's penis off and since John was so heavily intoxicated. He didn't really realize four. Feel or understand the gravity of what was going on and he certainly didn't understand. How severe or serious is in was until moments later? He laid in bed momentarily as blood started to pool on the sheets. And once he did realize lorraine had done he screamed. He woke up his friend. Robert in the two of them rushed to the hospital. And while this is happening laurynas speeding off in her. Nineteen ninety-one Mercury Capri as fast as she could and she told. Abc News and in Nineteen ninety-three interview that she was so distraught after she had named her husband that she wasn't even aware of the fact that she was holding the penis when she got into her car. And once this registered tour she throws it out of the car window and then drove over her friend Janice House genocide that when she saw Lorraina her door crying she believed that John Again had done something to hurt. Lorraina and Janna was well aware of his track record of abusing her so when Lorena told her that she had cut John's penis off Gina's mouth was on the floor sobbing. Lorena gave her a rough estimate as where the location was that she threw the penis out the window and it was in a field across the street from seven eleven within ten minutes of the incident John was at Prince William Hill and as he was being examined the doctors determined John had actually lost a third of his blood volume by this point so there were two things happening when he was in the Er. The doctors wanted to make sure John didn't die and they also wanted to reattach his penis but there was just one problem. They didn't have the penis and they didn't know where it was but the police were trying to remedy that now. The investigators were on board and they had learned where Lorraina had tossed the penis out while she was driving so they had a team of officers searching for it in just an aside. I was watching that Amazon Documentary Lorraina and they interview the doctor and when he was called is in the middle of the night he was on call and he was a urologist in had heard what happened. He was preparing to do a procedure that would whole his jury throughout and he was going to trim the rest of the penis so he would have to sit down like a woman. If they didn't find the peanuts that's what they would have had to do for him. Bright so that's what they were preparing go. You don't have it. I mean the clock is ticking. Appendages GonNa die if it's not sound right away and put on ice so everyone was freaking out that this guy might lose forever as billy said. The police were searching for it by that field at seven. Eleven because they had found out from Janet at that point where it like where Lorraina had thrown it in. The situation was looking grim because when the police got there this field was huge and there was really tall grass everywhere and they really doubted whether they would find this peanuts time for it to still be viable reattachment because back at the hospital. John was being prepped for emergency surgery and was starting to panic and freak out and lose hope that he would be penis less for the rest of his life but in a stroke of good luck or good detective work. The police found the dismembered penis. They ran into the seven eleven. They put on ice and they put it in a brown hotdog bag and ran into the hospital. Give the surgeons who would be working on. John was nearly six. Am when John was finally taken into the operating room for what would end up being a nine hour surgery so now the process of reattaching appeanas actually not that difficult. As far as reattaching appendages goes and I was shocked about this because it seems like it would be extremely difficult. The doctor who did it had never done before really yes so I thought that was fascinating because it is fingers are harder. I mean penises. Don't move on their own without blood rushing into them. You don't even fingers muscles so you're you're having to deal with a lot more nerves in your finger that need to re attach and be able to communicate with your brain to move. A peanut doesn't really need the same way. It just needs stimulation of blood can rush to it so it isn't the easiest. Probably the easiest of the appendages. According to the doctor who did it shocking. Okay so the penis is essentially made up of arteries veins nerves and then there's the urea threat and typically the way that the penis was severed in packs. How easy it is to repair. And if the cut is clean like it was in Bobbitt's case it's much easier to reconnect. So he was super lucky and when John Woke up from surgery. The doctors told him that they had successfully reattached his penis. Right and on the heels of what you said though so in cases where there have been cases where women are raped or assaulted. And if you bite Aquinas. Off Your odds of reattaching it are really low really limit for it's a mess and the bacteria just causes the appendage to be a lot less viable a lot more quickly so in those you hear you've heard about those cases they do on. They have on law and order. Svu All the time too. It's they have it in movies. You see that and in those situations you wouldn't be able to reattach the same way not with this kind of excess and while the surgery was a success and without complications they still move. John to the ICU. But not for reasons. You're probably thinking. They moved in there because the Washington Post had caught wind of the story so word was spreading. The media was already starting to swarm at the hospital. Lorraina was arrested that evening and by then. The story was everywhere. She was facing charges of malicious wounding. And looking at up to twenty years in prison if convicted and you can you can see that this would happen just having worked in it in newspapers. You have sources. It's not even just sources you have sources at at the hospitals. If you hear that somebody's penis was cut off. That is going to travel throughout the hospital. Somebody before social media. Somebody's going to call their friend who works with The newspaper it's going to happen no matter what so. You don't need social media for something like this to happen or cell phones. What we what we were talking about the top of the episode. Where win the initial calls came in about this? And we said the information was confused so the dispatchers were actually speaking trying to avoid the term. They kept saying he's been maimed. Here's an appendage. Because they didn't want to say it because obviously journalist listens to listen to police radios so and they knew that in the interview the dispatcher. And she's like I was trying not to be too explicit because I knew they would cling to this like. You just said billy where it's like. Oh a good juicy domestic husband wife you FEM fatale story and they knew that we're all familiar with Lorraina BOBBITT's name. Have we ever really thought about why? Why almost thirty years later we know about this case in why we're still talking about it when no one died. The stakes are lower compared to other crimes that have drawn this kind of media attention so John's penis was reattached in was functional again. He's still got peanuts. It's not even like he was permanently maimed. I think it's because draw to this story was not about the tangible elements of what happened. It was about the message. Is and Halloween. Is Actions challenged the status quo especially in a place like Virginia? Laurynas actions demand attention and demanded progress. It was sort of a rebellion against the tolerance of domestic violence. I think is a combination of everything I mean. First of all Yeah a lot of the nature of the case People were infatuated on to turn on the TV CAMERAS. Were not that was the first time the AMAS were allowed in the courtroom and they were actually doing an experiment to to bring core cases in two living rooms of homes in America. You know and so when Mike case happened court. Tv was baby. You know like the they actually had. It was a gift for them. My case it. They were very excited and in all they wanted to do the ratings. Where up The salacious stories came up and people were actually infatuated about that. There was a combination of everything was Immigra- Aman Amy Grant And there's a lot of issues about immigrant women Immigrant women so far allowed because they don't call the police. Um so you know the support the the way how. The media treated me As a hub light bloody Latina. That was an issue of racism so people wearing to you know those kind of issues so it was a combination of everything a and also. I think you know man feel vulnerable because I threatened. I caught my ex-husband masculinity and they believe that must be there they're peanuts was or is everything and you know so. They felt threatened. That may be an mendacity. Why they turned into joke to neutralize This kind of situation that was. There's no way they couldn't believe something like is such thing happen so laurine was charged with militias wounding immediately but once. Lorena side of the story leaked to the press. Women's group made themselves heard. They were outraged that John Wasn't facing charges rightfully so but charging John had some difficult implications. And here's why so at the time in Virginia and about fifty percent of the other states. In America there were pretty archaic laws as far as Spousal rape is concerned in Virginia. If you were to be convicted of spousal rape you'd be facing a possible life. Sentence and qualifying for these charges was really difficult. In order for the charges to apply the two spouses would need to be separated. When the sexual assault occurred and another contingency was the assault would have needed to result in permanent bodily damage. So if you break this down and meant that even if the couple is separated and the husband raped his wife if he managed to do it without permanently naming her he wouldn't qualify for this charge at all so instead John was charged with marital sexual abuse which carried a possible. Twenty year sentence instead of the Max of life that applied in the spousal rape charges. John and Lorena. We're going to have separate trials and the questions that were asked in each this. Is He a habitual batterer? Who forced a young woman over the edge or was she this calculated hot blooded Latina? Who wanted to hurt her husband when he threatened to leave her and just fabricated this rape to justify it in a lot of people man mostly feel very compassionate just for then made her own. The case You know he lost his Male or so absolutely. The country was divided into two women were supported of me and especially you know advocates and activists feminist groups etc Inches Women Gentlemen in general In men were with him so I was the one who basically was the gains man or there were portraying me that weight so that was a gender inequality basically and still I think that You know we still even a patriarchal society. John's trial commenced in November of nineteen ninety-three in the court determined that his case had a quote unquote sexual component. So this meant that the news networks needed permission to film and air the trial national TV from the defense and from John and of course. John's defense declined so John's whole thing was he wanted his dignity intact. He didn't feel he should have to testify in front of the world things like that. They did not know how to charge Tam basically so they ended up charging ham for a marital rape but They do not charge him with domestic violence and Know he's Trial less three days and Might try lasted twelve days so I was unfortunately that we couldn't even talk about domestic violence on his trial during the proceedings. The jury was instructed to consider the night in question in they could only also consider what went on in John and Lorraine is relationship within the five days prior to the incident which is very restricting. If you're trying to prove a pattern of abuse in fact it basically sabotages her defense entirely in. This was because of the laws in Virginia. At the time which should not look favorably upon sexual assault victims prosecutors grill arena about these five days on the stand in one instance. Lorena testified that John Marshall to have sex one day but then stated that she consented to sex the following so the prosecutor essentially mocked and berated. Her in a tone that suggested she was lying. How could a woman consent one day and be raped the next while laurynas responses? Sometimes she just gave in and said yes because he was just going to do it anyway and like we know sexual assaults and abuse with a marriage is not so black and white is just not you can love your husband one day and he can hurt you the next and that's not a woman's fault you know more. Ns situation where. She's obviously scared of her partner. I mean her saying yes and giving in those times doesn't mean like she's scared and she's being forced into it some of those times as well so it's just it is very gray and it's hard to prove either way of course domestic abuse victims feel. They're always hoping that their their partner will go back to the person. 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And what we have to remember about this. Entire trial is that we're talking about consensual sex versus forced rape. It's a he said she said kind of thing. And there isn't always evidence as about credibility and remember this is the Nineteen Ninety S. We're in a super conservative. Courtroom Lorraina is an immigrant from Central America and English as our second language. Oh and she's a woman and we're GONNA stay were to be indicted for spousal rape someone has to have caused permanent disfigurement and or maiming. The victim there wasn't much confidence that John was going to be found guilty and he wasn't. He was acquitted so a and he ended up being acquitted. I think the outcome would have been different. If we were even now we would talk about his trial now Sir. I I believe that he would being convicted. So a Lotta things have changed but You know little by little. We seem to step in the make. Ten steps in the right direction and But still a lot more much more work needs to be done. Even though cameras weren't allowed in the courtroom John's trial got a lot of coverage but it was nothing compared to that of his trial. This case had all the trappings of what we've seen at spectacles such as the Ted Bundy execution or the OJ. Trial people were selling t shirts. One shirt said MANASSAS. Va a cut above the rest and then they were boxer shorts that were sold that said. Vanessa's Va. Don't cut me short. Remember it's the ninety s and everyone in America was having a honeymoon period with outlets like court. Tv and it really was the precursor to reality TV when you think about it the characters in this trial they were a tabloid dream. And this time the world would get to watch every second of what was playing right so remember during John's trial. His case was determined to have sexual components therefore he has lawyers were given the choice about having the proceedings televised. You know to protect his privacy his dignity and for whatever reason Lorraina was not extended that same courtesy they concluded that Laurynas case was not a case with a sexual component. Even though the case was about Lorraina cutting off a sexual organ in response to being raped by her partner so in opinion. Personally I interpret this to mean that the political powers-that-be Manassas at the time didn't really care to preserve her dignity they wanted to publicly condemn. Lorraina and make an example out of her abuse victims. CaN'T RETALIATE. That's the message they're sending here and we're going to put this on display for the world to see first of all they get it wrong. They missed the big opportunity to talk about this crisis of domestic violence and sexual assault. They always wanted to talk about sensationalistic and alluring. Details details about me cutting off my ex-husband's peanut saw so it's really sad that the media portray me as a crazy hug bloody Latina which is basically raisin statement as well so I wanted to set the record straight that a lot of women who actually wanted to talk about the issues of domestic violence and sexual assault couldn't because the boss where men so Lorena trial started on January tenth nineteen ninety four when she pulled up in her car to enter the courtroom. There was a barrage of flashbulbs. A mob of more than two hundred reporters from around the world journalists as far as Japan had flown in. For this case there are more than twenty satellite trucks that lined up the streets. The atmosphere at the courthouse was extremely tense. According to a Newsweek poll that was conducted at the time it said sixty percent of the country was planning to watch this trial unfold so it was a huge huge deal and the stakes were high for Lorraina. She was facing twenty years from maliciously wounding John. But what a lot of people don't know is that prior to the trial the prosecution had offered. Lorena a plea deal. They said that if she admitted to the fact of cutting John's peanuts was a premeditated action. She would only get four months in jail and probation Lorena refused. She wasn't going to admit to something that wasn't true and also if she pleaded guilty to a felony she more than likely would never get an American citizenship and this is just something that she didn't want to risk giving up so imagine the stress and pressure of this whole situation lorraine at this time was only twenty four years old. And that's ten years younger than Alexis and I and I think that we forget how young she was at the time. All this happened. It's intense and when you see the old footage of the trial coverage you see her being pulled up in a car in the back and she just looks devastated to be in the middle of this it. It really is sad and another thing. That's sad is there is obviously media bias as well because so many of these details about this abuse was not and is not commonly known. I mean the whole world was watching my trial. I mean literally. So I'm I was very recognizable because a lot of there there were More of the devices like I said there who were in journalism where men so. The opportunity was not only lost in this hails of the. Know Elson session enlisted story but it was actually lost because the patch we are society there was among the male reporters of mailboxes. Who were in their twenty. Four seven cycle media cycle opening arguments commenced. We have is rain. Violence Lights just opposed against John. Wayne Bobbitt Penis. The evidence will show that it was his penis from which she could not escape which caused through the pain. The most fear humiliation submit to you that the case you will come to one conclusion and that is valuable feeds now. Luckily in mistrial the jury would in could hear everything about Lorraina and John's relationship in Lorena was not restricted to talking about just the five days of their relationship that happened prior to the incident. She could talk about the abuse that started from day. One and she did. He kicked me. He told me that I told you to not cry. And he slapped me on my faith people my hair in my face down. Yes he he about an animal the ask you. Because witnesses recalled in their testimony really supported Lorraine his version of events and the testimony was very disturbing and remember. These are friends of John's. It's not like these are Lorraine's friends testifying that they heard this friends of John's said the John had told them that he loved for sodomy that he laughed about making women bleed during sex. That forced sex excited him. If these are John's friends why would they say this? If this wasn't true others said they'd seen Lorraina with bruising on her face on her arms on her legs neighbors saw her makeup on her face in trying to hide bruises and they would see John Forcing Lorraina to carry heavy things as he walked behind her casually. He told friends that he liked to rape lorraina explicitly in Lorraine is friends and people knew. Lorraina testified as well. Women's defensive brooding over the top and cards and the girl into her hairline and fame flying inbound her neck shoulders before I not however notice that all the rest of your body before depression was very noted to sadness was very noticeable in casually. When she was doing my now she burst into tears. There's testimony that detailed how there are tests conducted on Lorena the day of the incident and these tests confirm that Laurean did have sex or she had been raped before she cut off John's penis however John completely denied having any sexual contact with Lorraine at all that day even though there was proof that he was lying and in fact John Story about how things unfolded change several times and disdained his credibility to some of the most compelling testimony came from a neighbor of Lorraina. John. Heard things that night people having sex. These weren't the thing. How did they differed? They differed a lot of time other than headboard the wall. It would bid me. This woman was having screaming. I mean she would scream out every second and then into continues he trunk. He wanted to have sex. She didn't that's her right. Force turn have sex. She was angry. She retaliated against. But you know we don't live in a society that is governed by revenge. We don't live in a society in which whoever has the biggest nice it was probably one of the most bizarre accidents happen. This could forget a Lo long term. Everything about this case. It is so unique what she did going out of that house. With a Gameboy. A PENIS IN THE HAND. Everything about this case is praising bazaar versus a classic severe resistible impulse after the last witnesses were called. An eastside made their closing arguments. The jury was sent into deliberation and the world was on the edge of their seat waiting for this verdict. Jerry having been converted beginning in the Congo Virginia. Lorraine out in the Norfolk criminal number. Three three eight to one we. The jury find the defendant Lorraina Father not guilty polishes wounding as charged in the indictment by reason of insanity signed play at Cacao for for me becoming richer jury report. They didn't general the jury. Let me thank you for the time and effort you put into this matter. And he's taken to this time. I'll have all parties to remain in the courtroom and be quiet and what a lot of people don't realize don't remember is that Lorena Bobbitt was actually found not guilty and she was found not guilty due to insanity causing an irresistible impulse to sexually wound John so as a result of that she could not be held liable for her actions. Yes that is correct. I was fine no guilty. I don't have any criminal records and A lot of people think you know I went to jail or went to prison for a long time or you know what happened. Really so We actually we both file out not guilty. Hey stew over. He was accused of marital rape. The most interesting thing about this is that I didn't know she was found not guilty. I didn't just from from everything I heard again me. Jack were too young for this to understand and and watch the trial but I had no idea just because what you hear about her. The jokes that are made the the assumption is that she was found guilty in. Probably got in trouble for this. But that's not actually true rape raid. It doesn't matter it's a crime in victim the victim so whether he's a women or is child you know to get a sexual assaulter. Why Dave Make Fun of of me? Why fate make fun of Omega songs about about it and and take it you know but that is the culture. There will event people were uneducated about domestic violence at the time now. There is awareness more people more advocates educating our society and that is great seat so after the trial the media obsession with John and Lorena didn't taper off. That's because from one side. There was an uproar over. Lorraine his acquittal and there was also resounding support for her acquittal on the other side. Women's groups from around the world saw this as progress if immigrant woman from Central America can be acquitted for castrating her white husband after she was sexually assaulted after a relationship of abuse in small towns Virginia. Then maybe this meant things. Were changing celebrities. Politicians from all over the world were weighing in. Everyone had an opinion and it showed up and a lot of places in pop. Culture was actually the cold open of the January Fifteenth Nineteen ninety-four episode of Saturday. Night live with Mike Myers playing John Wayne Bobbitt on the witness stand before another pop culture criminal Tonya. Harding comes by and beats his crotch repeatedly with a bat and the media coverage continued but there was only one of them who is stoking. The fire under Virginia Law a contingency of his acquittal was that since she was declared insane during that brief time period when the incident occurred she needed to undergo a psych evaluation and she was sent to a mental hospital for forty five days after those forty five days. Were up the core and her doctors reevaluated. Her mental state and they ultimately decided that she was no harm to herself or to others and she was released and while this is all happening. John was making the rounds on the talk show circuit. He was a guest on radio shows and TV segments and then six months later he made a really bold move right so after the trial John moved to Las Vegas in there. He met porn legend. Ron Jeremy Clearly. Ron must have inspired him in some unique way because six months after the trial John starred in an adult. Some John Wayne Bobbitt uncut during interview with Vanity Fair. John explained of the adult film quote. A porno seemed like the best way to show. My Penis worked only wasn't all the way healed yet. I realize now that was the point. I really think it's worth discussing that John Bobbitt following the trial just did the mainly things publicly. He Whitney moved to a ranch and he was like a cowboy and he was like. Latte last swing cattle and doing interviews dressed as a cowboy. We get on your penis works. Well we did it and you know we will talk about this in killing time. About men just being blubbering idiot. Sometimes but it's like his manhood was literally cut off his body so for him. That's probably the biggest nightmare a man so it's like I'm GonNa do a porn and show. It still works and having to go get a horse in. I'm going to go women in a pornography film in. It's like to show that I'm still a man exactly. Yeah on the nose. John Bob too on the nose house. Now we've been more subtle like build a house shirtless or like building a house. Well and the thing. He didn't have a job either right so he probably was feeling quite emasculated for a while to maybe go go get a career. Put on a suit something. Get a nice pair of dress shoes. But he was also showing his true colors because shortly before the release of his porn John was charged with misdemeanor domestic battery against his new girlfriend. Kristina Elliott these charges for the supported. Lorraina side of the story. He served twelve days of fifteen day sentence but that negative press didn't sway John from still seeking the spotlight and trying to prove how much of a man he was. He made a second porn franken penis which made his debut in one thousand nine hundred eighty six now. Why would John do another porn? The world need to John. Bobbitt sex tapes probably not but John had agreed to do it after accepting an offer from Howard. Stern for reconstructive plastic surgery for his penis to enlarge it even further and he was not going to be turning that down gross. So Howard Stern talked about the case frequently on a show and he had John Bobbitt on his a guest in nineteen ninety-three for his New Year's Eve special and they raised two hundred fifty thousand dollars to help cover the outstanding costs surgery and in one interview Howard was quoted as saying and this is one of the most disgusting quotes. I've ever heard quote. I don't even by this whole story that he was raping her. She's not that great looking disgusting. It's it really is like one of the most enraging comments that I've probably ever heard my entire life but aside from all this like Howard stern trash. There was also a handful of incidents of copycat crimes after the situation and they're called Baba Mania and it was after the incident. Most of them were self inflicted wounds but it was a whole thing. That was happening. And there is also the bobbit worm which was a worm that taxes to pray with scissor like jaws and this is named after the case as well. So there's all this pop no it's an actual worm like a real worm that a real worm identify words of worm. Bobbitt's were bobbit worm. Come on signed his stoop better than that to better. That's crazy. No the you know the person that named it to probably like I got it. I'm so clever. Flimsy was probably a man so so eventually the media coverage of the Bobby did taper off but the pop culture implications were there to stay and while no doubt lorraina experienced great difficulty during this period in her life she managed to turn this entire thing into something positive and find a silver lining. So it's been Basically almost thirty years three thickets has passed since it happened. There was a documentary air last year about my story. The documentary that Lorraina is referring to is the Amazon Docu series. Lorena a now by doing a lifetime movie so I think it is important to keep the issue of domestic violence and sexual violence It is an incredible platform to be able to do show the stories in a visual way like visual people have to visualize sometimes to say listen. I wanted to show this. I wanted to be transparent. I wanted to be very raw when I talk about it. And just as exactly what I? I've made this the stories. I wanted to people to look at in. This is this is real. This is what happened. This is real life and so I want people to connect with my story because there's a lot of women trapping situation so domestic violence. Did they don't know what to do? And I want to to see my movie to basically inspiring to get away from from this of Yousef situation to their leave. They are in a relationship. There is an incredible platform. I think is not only an incredible platform. It is Keisha as well for future generations do know the this critical issues do exist still now in. These discussions are particularly timely. Given what's happening in the current state of the world especially now with a winning the unfortunate result so coronavirus or cold at night teen Is is really affecting the rice domestic violence and sexual violence cases among women So many women feel that they're trapped in their homes with their abusers so as as survivor of domestic violence. I understand at first hand about the issues and I want to help the victims and I wanted to do provide by providing resources and in guidance. Oh my story is relatable In so many levels especially now like I said so. It's very important to to have this Communications about this critical issues open. Lorraina took back her maiden name Lorraina Gallo. She resumed working in salons and she quietly started dating a man named David. And she's still with David to this day more than twenty years later and they eventually had a daughter named Olivia. I found that people were my friends. Were very supportive. My community was Yeah I mean they recognize me. I never move out of my community. Because if I move I will be recognized everywhere You didn't affect my career. Thank God I was idea real estate for a while I was the I went back to the beauty industry as A. I went to school than I have my license as a hair style and I did hair for leaving for a while and then I went to school and school. Obviously a lot of people recognize me Just based on my face away I going to change myself so I learned to accept the fact that I did not choose to be in the spotlight Right now and the fact that but I stopped myself was very strengthened. Was One of my My strength they kept me through who I am and those pass a might lives. My my trauma actually have helped shape the person that I am today and you know he have actually understand the give me a platform to help others so When I met my partner obviously he knew who I was and so friendship. Friendship turning to respect and respect turning to love and you know. That's that's how he was. I didn't experience with my with John. In Two Thousand Seven Lorraina started a nonprofit called the Lorena Gallo Foundation which is an organization focused on helping to prevent domestic violence through family oriented activities and more years past awareness and condemnation of domestic violence increased as women started pushing back for their rights. The view of Lorraina also shifted and the more time passed the more. It was clear how terrible Lorraina was treated not only by John but by the rest of the world to they have grown more in but this generation will you know memory. I mean I'm talking to you. Your were problem not even born. I Dunno you've you look very young Thanks Lorena. So you know the time that We talking about almost thirty years so I think that the new generation has grown to be more empathetic more sympathetic about the stories and more curious and you know more women into rice. I mean we have more politician women in Congress so the hell lot and to shape the narrative about abuse women and As important I know when my store is and I was looking to get approach by Amazon Last year and They did a very good job. I'm happy with Doku serious Jordan Peele was wonderful his his a man who has a lot of social issues so I trusted him and the whole team of Amazon by then Same thing with a lifetime. Lifetime is an amazing network and day history of telling stories. They're relate to two people and they're very three. The story is the real stories with sensitivity. I think that that is actually Got My passion back to to even tell even more than I know that there are going to treat my story with sensitivity and respect in the lifetime project that Llerena is referring to is called. I was Lorena Bobbitt. And it premiered on Memorial Day two days ago on the lifetime network. I'm doing good. I'm doing fine. I I am happy blaze. I am in a better place I don't leave you know in the past I think the past did have helped me to save the person that I am today and have given me a platform to be able to help other women and You know anybody who is in an abusive relationship so is Is Good is good. Now we're going to keep my mission to help. Victims of domestic violence survivors because survivors. Also have ATS st and they need assistance as well. I will super super big thank you to Lorraine for sharing her story with us If you have a story to tall please email us. Hello. At the first degree. Podcast DOT COM can follow us on instagram. At the first degree out Alexis linkletter Johnson. Jack Vanik join our facebook page. Just search the first degree in the search bar and stick around. Because we're GONNA kill some time. Remember only you can prevent zero killers and keep your friends close. No it wasn't happy. 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It's the Spidey podcast with Spencer in Heidi Pratt. Hello I'm not dead. If you and your husband go out every night good for you. Hey that was a joke. If you're an idiot beds you spoiled Brat. Your life is a basic new episodes every Monday on spotify podcast one and apple podcasts. Don't worry mom I got you. Alright well welcome to another episode of killing time. I thought Alexis just sent me an email. That said best friends. Hello but it was an email about best scenes and she got confused and excited by mine. Spontaneous love for her I did. I thought you're just reminding me. As we started to record that we are best friends. And that because Alexis gets nervous about this like social distancing thing that she can't touch people and she thinks that means that people are mad at her because people aren't hugging me goodbye. Or hello and I feel like this weird distance and any social distancing. I'm like when I leave. Rena fight or are we good. I just feel like everyone's mad at everyone. The love is not all right later by. Yeah feels like a dude like fist-bump bump and I'm not even you know air. Fist-bump is not enough affection for me as your love. Language Physical Touch. Yeah and words of valid words of affirmation affirmation gifts all of them by all the love languages to feel a little bit about myself. That's that's what I think too. When you know I think about my love. Language is are the mall. I don't know Sir. Yes yes `formation. Keleti time. Hello touch absolutely all of them. I love lingual. What about you billy. What's your love language just to be left alone as Dystonia true isolation? Billy's love language. So I'm feeling the love all over the place this with this pandemic Bl- you know it was so funny is jared and I did an episode of the Lady Yang and one of my questions was was the sweetest thing that either both of us have done for each other and his answer was that I leave him alone loud one number one. This is a lie because all he wants to do is like smother me with affection all the time. But I'm like this is a very interesting answer that you like to be left alone. And that's the nicest thing I've ever done for you. I love that. Savage response think he was just flexing on your love episode in a in a guy he probably sorry love. You is that okay. Afterwards he said that he thought about it for weeks on end and he he's like it was the wrong answer. I didn't mean it but the way he said it was very sweet. Where it's like. We're allowed to be independent and have her own time and be able to like wind down our own but he was a good didn't mean it. I love when you smother me. I need it all the time. Oh my God jared. I love that and also I love the dumb guy that you guys just did good. I do it about me grammatical error. I'm like oh I'm sorry. Is My eighteen hours of work not good enough for you. I've forgotten apostrophe is writer. That's that's dumb guy voiced but all guys are dumped is. I don't care how billy I know that you're like a borderline genius but you're still a dumb guy. Wait a second pay that kind of Shit. Be hearing about that for weeks. I call them stupid. He'll be like no. Jack said it was a borderline genius. Russia. What's your cue have you taken an Iq test sixty eight like that? Was Your Voice that great? That's the new voice. The deeper the dumber though. Yeah not no no no. That's the sound and I see men walking. That's the sound. They all know episode of Family Guy. When I think it's Stuey is like playing the trombone in back of people walking. That's pretty much how I see. Every man they're all just a level of it just doesn't you're all you're all there but what level. Reo Thank you well. It's not the reason for this. I was GONNA say quickey. I'm on the wrong podcast. The reason for this episode of killing time is billion. I both have books that are coming out next Tuesday. Billy's the paperback version of Chase Darkness. With me and mine. Is Our debut Book Lady Gang Called Act like a lady and it's weird that they're both coming out on the same day it is we would we would have been able to do a joint some tour or something like that and the books are so similar to so? I mean if you have one you'll love the other explain like it's different than the first one. My Book has. It's the same thing as the first one. But it's got a brand new bonus chapter about bear brook and how that mystery. Three three quarters of that mystery was solved and then a bunch of updates on other cases and it also has eight pages of exhilarating photos including me in my punk face. Exhilarating lanes last goth phase. Yes I call her they block and white. They're black white break. Come on we got to have two colors our book and Got Fund Say Jack. What is your favorite part of the Book Well yeah I mean so. It's separated into four parts so it's like your relationship with your lover which I hate that word lever self career and friends. It was obviously the most fun for me to write about love because most of those stories were just like my dating escapades that you know so much about Alexis and you also have so many stories so maybe one day we need to make a true crime. Slash like intervene personal. We have him because we have together. We have the craziest freaking stories in the entire world of dating in this Hellhole of Los Angeles but so I think that part of the book is my favorite. I'm GonNa make jared read the section about. It's basically a list of all the men that I dated and they all have nicknames like there's Mattress Mike who slept with his mattress on the ground which you have also dated one is well a few of those and what about the street performer. The street performer is in there. The A mime. So no have I dated am I am? I can't remember no these your friend Kendra is terrified of. She wouldn't have allowed that terrified of mimes know. This guy was A. He was a street performer and then he would make up all these different ways that he would know the superheroes I have. I have an entire chapter about this guy. That dress opposes Superhero on Hollywood boulevard. That's a whole chapter but the street performer guy. He performed all these plays in public bathrooms and then he would like sell his he would give his script for free so then they could also perform them in other public bathrooms so I was hot. Yeah and then. Also there's guy. There's a guy named Chad that you dated. Is the last guy that I dated before. Jared my current boyfriend and Chad still has cornhole boards because I went over to his apartment who he also lives. I live in Marina del Rey. He lives literally like two buildings over from me. I went over there. I brought my cornhole boards. We played Corn Hall. And they're still over there. And and the jared flexes here GonNa make some with my with my prayer ans- so I now you know it's a really. It's a step up dating. Jared Goff cornhole boards in your apartment. And that's why you've left them over there. I did leave. That is true. I've heard them and they were really shitty. Cheap cornhole board. I'm like you know you can you can take. I hope they also had a role. They also spiders all over them so it was just a had to get rid of him somehow but no. When I started dating jared his entire band I talked about shot a few times. We're hanging out and his entire band would not let him live down shad. What was the shad connection? Look what is the funny thing about shad? I don't remember his name right. Yeah it's a weird name. It was just. He's such I mean. Chad is the worst name that you can have as a man really like the Douche Baggy name and then you put it on the front of that Shad ooh shot is just a worst worst version of Chad. Yeah just like Shitty. It is worst version an idiot. Exactly just put outs on the front of something and it makes it like a million times more do she. She'll Alexis say show last shabbily. My name better shock. Kids solid. Yeah that should be your new nickname. Jackie chiles not bad silly at least perfect. I think we need an S. H. In front of everything though she'll lexus chalets pretty solid. It makes you sound like a you. Know what that's on. Shank THE SHANK. That's even better than than the. Shank is like will you? Yeah I'll thank you in a second. You see that grow over there. She's the Shank what's worse what's scarier the Shankar the tank the Shank. I actually think tank scarier you could see tank comments. Shank you know right right in the arteries a razor blade connected to toothbrush. But I I think I think the Shank is you know. I don't know it's too literal where it's like you know what the Shank means but the tank business ambiguous. You don't know what's coming you don't know when it hits you you know gun strapped to that thing. No one's sure how many men are in there. How many women are in there and he dogs in there. Who's to say? Oh who's to say? Are you going to get the Tattoo and a my drawing it for you? I don't know I have to talk to my parents my in that facebook group. And they've all like I've had a lot of backlash about this. Dodd commented. Yeah. I'm like okay great. I should probably remove them from the group which I will do and then we'll discuss it. If but I'm thinking probably WanNa get it if you do I would love to Dri- I have drawn a few tattoos before by a few. I mean one but this could be my second listen. You're drawing if it's happening. He'll be like our tattoos. Since you won't get one I'll have it by the plastics billie anything I would. I would like to try it. Actually can you draw not not a bit not at all solid but thanks billy what? Tattoo of yours and mine drawing. Because this is how this is how we're going to be bonded for I don't know what at Giraffe Giraffe. Yeah just sort of tall tall Taraf type person. I'm Co you're like a green or a stork stuck free or like a buzzard. A tall buzzer. Yeah like I put a dark clean without rain long neck. Actually think this is fun. What animals are we built a crane? Billy's definitely a crane. I mean I. I've been told more my whole life that I'm a monkey like my parents called me a monkey 'cause I would just like climb all over them. And then now. This is transferred also into jared. So that's what I've been told. Yes but you look more like you know what it is like a a sloth like a apathetic hospital still climbing and hang but you're pretty chill like my not knowing you know what I okay. I'll take slot. I learned about slots is their default Hand setting is closed and then they have to work to open. It says the opposite from people. So that's why they can cling onto trees for so long because it's easy because that's just their normal muscles and like a closed sloth lobby cute. Yeah well they have to go against gravity so that makes sense that like they're young practice shut instead of Ben. What animal obviously Something that's like really pretty but then really vicious Geese or swan at the Hollywood forever cemetery and I always feeding swans and I would feed them like Oh they like me. I would stop. They start hissing at you. I'm like yeah. I can be a Swan Day are terrifying vicious vicious vicious vicious geezer. So mean goose. Swans are pretty mean to so. I'M ONE OF THOSE. Mom got attacked by a goose traumatized for the rest of your life. It was terrifying scary there so scary. I avoid them like the plague if I if I see one of the geese though the geese will actually come up to you and want like. Hey what do you got? What do you got the swans? We'll just come up to you but stay stay like probably six feet apart and this be like you know what say and then this year. Whatever but they're not going to be like pestering you because they're like look at how pretty I am. Give me something with your goose I guess I'd really like to be Swan but whatever no I think it's interesting that geese hiss like cats. It's so weird. I mean. Swans off to do that knew the hissed mentally. Look this up. Yeah we'll revisit this though next time. Let's call it time. Death Fourteen fifty seven a quack.

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LG QUICKIE: A New York Wish to the Gang

LadyGang

25:50 min | 11 months ago

LG QUICKIE: A New York Wish to the Gang

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That's a lot so dot com slash Liyang Promo code paper thirty thirty podcast. One presents the lady gang the Hollywood girl posse with Lady Gang quickey. Here's Kelty night. Becca Becca Tobin and Jack. Let's make this quick. Hello Hello Hello and welcome to the late again quickey. I'm Becca here at Jackson. Kelsey happy due to happy. I knew I couldn't jump in after like I would be happy a new year and then she was jumped right she. I can't you know I can't believe she even allows you to do the intro. I can't either like that can i. Can I love it but you only letter talk for five seconds before now. I know I just want to say this. What is your favorite New Year Song? Is it tonight. We're going to party like it's ninety nine nine years the old man's I ultimately what's that how does afternoons. I don't think that's the lyric what you're thinking. I don't think it's elements your old man's from from what actually yeah it's Added that's not old man. I know what is it called. Doesn't he say and the me of when somebody's like when people on a podcast thinking Trivia and I'm standing there screening at home the oldest old enzyme or enzymes stomach and then old man's what is the old years there's there's no way that a strongest just come up with an old man's I on Google images no all O- all Blang sink. No yeah that sounds wait. Wait a second man. It's outs lane the lane sign. An old man old old laying sign. What does that? I don't know it's a Scottish poem. Great old high is not. I thought the here sign. She's like what's your favorite New Year Song. Partly yourself crazy so funny I need again. Your Rain Ugali. I've always thought it was. I like this I mean new fresh new. I like not focused fetus. I like an old man's is relax. Admit things is just so. Here's the thing though. She does in a way where she's very believable. I know I have to really. I mean that's another telltale signs of a psychopath. But she didn't know she was lying. She's very I just let her thought it was. Oh Man I. I'm sorry that I've always been alone without friends. Go to Scott so dark okay. Well what is you guys are Prince then ninety nine. I can't think of a single other new year song. I don't listen happy. New Merry Christmas happy birthday the paper. Yes man's to. What did you guys do for New Year's Eve because my is old I was on about. Oh no I'm on about on about in this Asia's and I hope you're generally instagram's them. Iq Body works meet. You probably already did by by this point. I accidentally Mutabika before. You're so don't put it past me. No you blocked me actually blocked you. But what a bit favorite one of my favorite pastimes is our ramblings on the instagram. What do you mean are ramblings? It's just a special place where we communicate. Why us to each other? Yeah like when you post something and I'm like Jack. Why where? Why are you wearing a full shirt shirt? Oh Yeah you mean truly troll troll Yaw. You only recently started trolling. It's fun. Yeah because unlike me Kelsey response to every message so you can really get her attention. I get are easier on instagram than in text. Yup I can reach doctor. I stopped replying to everyone on inside. I would hope so. Now you just let the comms build on there. I just let them build on supplement known I think think a real pussy move is. We're supposed to say that anymore. You know what a real scrotum moving tell me. I think I think that when people disable full comments I'm not out either. You disable every comment on instagram. You're just a person that oh no. No you mean specific photos. Oh in the limited comments. That's like Julia Roberts. She only accepts comments from our friends. Oh Julie I'm still mad at you. Usually people the limited comment things that are like controversial. They've gotten a lot of shit for yeah or disabled. I'm like if I'm GonNa comment on. How beautiful your dresses on a Monday? I better be able to tell. Hey you're full of shit on a Tuesday. Yeah I think it's lame. Yeah recently celebrity. Did this was it. What picture was it? He posted something a controversial picture and it it was weird because there were no comments on it but every every other photo on his instagram. There were comments you know. It's either a free forum or it's closed. Yes that's what's up. It's open invitation or it's invitation only done when we come back. We have a New Year's gift to you late Sui Yep so I was recently at lunch onto a good friend of mine in the whole time. Her Bra Strap was falling down her shoulder and she was complaining about it and I said to her own. My Gosh. That reminds me of the days before I started wearing third love bras. It's it's true. I forgot that regular bras are so uncomfortable and sometimes fit like garbage. So third love is awesome. I told her head over the site. Take the perfect fit finder in literally. 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She's Antonio Three Point. Oh Good Tania so what you're saying is Tanya who's not your podcast partner can have a three point O.. But your friend Kelsey can't have a four. We're just not sure what the point. What's your have been really many different versions absolutely have not thinking she's chill and then it's she's not the same name for five years? I knew jumpsuit. I noticed helped. He did say this is her two thousand twenty jumps oof really my God new fresh good to know. Where's it from current Elliott? Oh that's expensive. I got it at Neta portray cyber Monday sale. Good for you nice. Okay things we. We hope our girls get this year laid. Yeah get that good sex d all EU single girls. How did that get that best? Seen that Paul writes ever done his life. But that's from the wanderlust. He's high and he's looking at. Oh my God so mad get and you know that was all imprint Oliver. It's the greatest so awkward. I hope that you get the competence to stay committed to making positive changes in your life. Okay I hope our girls polls go and ask for a raise. All of that deserve it. I was GonNa say I guarantee you deserve it. Have the confidence to go and ask for a rate. I hope you get the hair color of your dreams out of their pinterest. You pinned it. You went to the we see it in the facebook group all the time girls are like. Here's what I went with. Here's what I got. Yeah I mean yeah exactly so. I hope you get good haircut. I hope you guys don't get a pair like I wish you at. Ut Free Year. I hope you all have non toxic relationships. Oh that's a help that you are removing toxic boyfriends or toxic friends will. This is too who short. This is a great thing toxic things we want our girls to let go of any people pleasing any boy that you're wasting too much time on. Yes I think that we should all be nicer to our bodies. I look back at my Boudreau from this year and one of the things one of the things that I really noticed is I spent a a lot of time harassing myself about your body working out or eating right or eating. It happens when you're marking down every single thing that you eat and every time you work out. That's your kind of like being very hard on yourself but I think in general people are pretty hard on their bodies whether they boo joe it or not true and I remember seeing this was like look down right your belly and say thank you to your belly and like these are bodies were living in them. So it's like I think step off the scales and just stopped being as nutty the and just go by your genes like deer jeans fit. Are they getting too tight. Are you feeling uncomfortable when you're sitting down then it's time to take a walk. You know what I mean the best thing I ever did. Stop weighing myself. Yeah yeah it's hard talks. You WanNa let go talks nope not that you want to let go of the girls to self destructive behavior tangled masochism also get off of instagram. I'm going to say it's probably everybody listening. Let's all cut the amount of time. We're we're on social media and half. I've really done that. I've I've posted a lot less active. Try really really wants you to get the cough social media and stop posting stories about her. Sorry Okay Jack. Do you have a lesson that you want our ladies to learn this year a lesson. Yeah I don't know do you. I well I have things that I would like to own this year. Calligraphy ballroom dance French rush. They're not lessons but I would like to calligraphy ballroom dancing French. Those are on my leg. Dancing Yeah Oh my love I used to go to the Salsa Club in Las Vegas and I love I love to have a guy salsa with me and like like spin me round but I would like to take a lesson. Maybe something to do for myself so I think you should learn something new this year one of my girlfriends is a swing dance sir. Yeah and I am blown away at how many people swing dance. I'm like she goes to these little swing dance gatherings there's probably one hundred people there people do. I just felt nobody does so weird like I mean. It's good for you dear thing do you. You think it's a little bit much to ask people people to learn something new. What lessons would you like our girls to learn this year? Well you don't have to be be friends with your family. You don't have to. You projecting no I don't know I'm trying to okay next question. Okay what bad habits. It's would you like to trade for good for our girls. I'd like everyone to stop comparing themselves to other people and and instead show gratitude for what we've got going on Yup acknowledged yourself and what you've done unless you are a piece of shit person then maybe continue. Continue to compare. That is like a fine. Yeah you know if your Shitty Bersin Shitty people are the most confident they are the the biggest asked Shit. Don't staying it's okay. They usually end up alone. We'll Karma Karma comes and bites okay. Here's a bad habit. I think that I wish for you to change in this this year. Ladies and gentlemen is you should be impeccable with your word. So if you're GONNA come to my birthday party not that I would have won onto the. You should say if you say you're coming you should come if you say you're not coming fine dot com but like do the thing that you said you're gonNA do the wall. La is very flaky and it gets me down. Sometimes when people are like flaky town go walk the like flaky. Because I'm like I didn't I can open. The is the death I will open the no. The definition flaky is like yeah. I'll definitely be there. Count wait and then even that after. You're like hey hey what times everyone getting there. And then after your. Where's Jane she never came? I think it's yeah I think it's it's a toss up. They're both flaky. They're both Lakey I think another thing that girls girls and guys can do is not over exert yourself and say yes to all of the things and then miss out on me. beat the important things. Yeah so so bleak Do you have a favorite. These are now just two questions. We're not oh do you have a personal wish. You would like to give the lady because the same questions in different words they are. Okay we can move on. I wanted to my next no said thank you for an incredible year. It's been we ran a lot of support. Yeah The lady gang thing. Yeah I mean thank you continue to show up please because Kelsey is GONNA go postal. If we don't hit a New York Times bestseller lists no and I do think that meeting all our gals this year. We met more people this year than we've ever met true so everybody's so cool. It still surprises me all the time it it really surprises me and the facebook group is so popping. So Papa like the girls when they're talking and the funny things they bring up and like the funny lives like the things that they share and they're just they're just so funny. I do have to say from the facebook group. I'm in some other facebook groups there dumpster. Fires they're freaking crazy. Our goals are so cool in moderators. Really keep the moderator. Keep it on lock. We've only had a few small dumpster. Fires Laurel fires the literal people lady boxes on fire. But I've seen like some questions. Were girls are really asking for advice and our girls generally have very good heads on their shoulders and give the advice that I feel like I would give somebody that I think hasn't had a my shoulders. Yeah we're usually I feel like it's like all over the place and the people Yell at each other and then it starts a huge fight right are girls are girls are around. It's so that's how we have to stop focusing on getting the number higher facebook group because we've had determined to hold on hold on. I'm not trying to get the group higher. I'm trying to get the group bigger bigger. That's what I miss the number. It's not no no it's not just the number. It's everyone invite someone that they think would be great in this group. You just want to have everybody but he shared the love. Yeah comes dumpster fires but so far. No Yeah but we can't force it. No I'M NOT GONNA say I thought it would be a cool call reminder during the late when we had the league day to just be like. Hey this group exists I think about your lives like only two hundred people came in like think about your life. Is there someone who could use this group. Yeah no that's a better way than like we're trying to hit Baba it's not I don't want just make the number. I want the group to be even more fabulous. Always good to get like. I'm new to this group. I'm feeling so lost in my small town like I love that I love about you. Yeah I love her gail. Yeah I mean if we wanted one hundred million people on our facebook could definitely have them totally okay favorite fan memory. ooh God. There's so many probably when I was a celebrity in North Carolina. Wait what no it wasn't. North Carolina was in North Carolina. I said I was there with jared. You're in Charleston. Oh No I. Don't I remember Raleigh. I don't remember I was somewhere in the south and really on tour with jared like a small not a small town but like regular whatever town and I have never had more awesome girls. Come up to me at once. That's that will never happen again. Never why why are you going into into twenty twenty with that attitude. I don't know it was just crazy. I'm like like the amount normally compared to the amount that one day there's a very vast difference is the next level next level so we might twenty year high school reunion this year. It is going. I'm thinking of course you are. Oh Jesus can't even imagine it's because there's going to be like the Seychelles you're prepping Ping for six months. No Yeah I don't need to pray throwing it don't need to know my favorite fan memory. Is that the LA show when that sweet lady Ganger came dressed. Austin the K- type costume. What was the costume? She had like the wife Beater that had k. type had like dictionary in her hair was so cute. I have we circle back to what you're GONNA do for your. What am I gonNA do? Nothing she just goes to show everybody how successful she is. Yeah like what's your prep one. PREP OKAY WELL ON I. So I'm this is going to be rich. You're acting like oh she's talking about it for the last three years I haven't no I haven't I thought very hard about my ten year and then I would I through the fifteen year myself and only four people can get 'cause who needs to go to a fifth either at high school right now. Well here's the thing. I never get more people so bad but the reason it was I threw it on May long weekend which was mistake but in in Canada. Okay so twenty years. The reason I like these reunion is because you've got an emmy or are you going to bring your emmy with you. Know ooh she's to the Kelly stop pumping her. The reason that I like these reunions is I never get up to Sri Park. It's an excuse for me to go home and my best friend. Katie lives in Winnipeg. It's used for her to go home. And this year is manifest list Nigeria. So your whole family is not an excuse to go home but my family comes to la La over time. There's no reason for me to go back to shore park and when I'm there I always run into my dance friends and there's like a large part of people that are not good enough friends with that I would like bring them to stay with me and L. A.. Anyway I'm not talking about this during New Year's wish episode. I'm just saying it's my twenty year high screen and have I thought about what I might wear. Sure what are you gonNA wear. Have I have a pinterest board. What about hair looks? It's not is it. I think this morning my hair was floating in the wind. I will continue to grow my hair for the reunion. Yes I did fine. I thought about it a little L. but like as if you're not you're upset. I definitely not growing your hair. How is abnormal? It is getting really long though. Thank you it's making me of us. My older twenty twenty twenty. It's not that long. It's not as long long last week before i. I know it'll probably be little like beat me up. You think I should just torture sure you and grow my hair out. See how long. Let's see from your hair being literally appoint point five inches below your ears and mind being mind mind grows. Yeah I'M NOT GONNA cut it okay to does your does not grow. It doesn't grow has this habit. It's because it's not the longest. It's definitely the thickest because I've been taking all that hair vitamin vitamin US. We have to go. But I love you happy New Year Lady Gang. We're so excited to go under twenty twenty with you or at least insane right now really doing or lead the dog is on Madden with its head all the way I feeling just allowing with I closed just allowing going to pet. She's like take me home. She okay no but really we love you guys happy you can get this year bitches get after it. Go get after it okay. We weren't here for a long time. We're here for a good one man's time with my God okay. Good night bye thanks. You're listening and make sure to rate and review this podcast. Wherever you go your podcast we have new episodes of lady gang every Tuesday and Thursday? Follow us on social media at the Lady Gang Follow US personally at Kelty. Most importantly at Becca and Jack Panic. The Lady Gang Network is produced by will sterling Steve delegator Kirsten Woodward and analysts buffet. Quiet thanks for rating and reviewing wherever you get your podcast in tune in for new episodes simple. 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Stephen Perez

The First Degree

1:03:02 hr | 3 weeks ago

Stephen Perez

"Thank you for listening to this. Podcast one production now available on apple. Podcasts podcast one spotify and anywhere else you get your podcast. You know if you've been all the first degree episodes that your little heart desires and you're looking for a new podcast. Oh my gosh. i've got one for you. Jordan harbor show jordan show which apple named one of the best of two thousand eighteen is making a better informed more critical thinkers. You can get a sense of how the world actually works and come to your own conclusions about what's happening even inside your own brain and each episode is a conversation with the different fascinating guests. And when i say. There's something for everyone here. 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You never know who's around you know weapon they have or you know what's in the back of their head over something stupid as a girly yelling at you from a car. Don't engage welcome to the degree that true crime. Podcast that you might end up on my name. Is jack panic. I am sitting about eleven miles away from alexis. Linkletter and billie jensen. And i'm gonna make a little disclaimer at the top of the episode. We're recording this on monday november second. So we don't know what is going to happen tomorrow so just letting you know this is all pre whatever our future may hold so so if anything happens between now and wednesday we're not being insensitive just comes out you know we bank this two days earlier so that's all yes just just enough i but billy. What day is it on wednesday. You know what it is. This is very very relevant. Its international stress awareness day. And i think this is probably been the most stressful year. People have had and the most stressful last couple days. Are you telling me people are out there. Who aren't aware of their unstressed. Because i want to be one of those people right right. You need to really think about like. Are you stressed or not like it doesn't just live with you all day. Every day and lomb back of your mind rule aware of my stress. Billy i'm sorry but there is another amazing day that you have not touched on. We've talked about it. And i love the fact that there's two days that i love when two days go head to head its national candy day and it's also national eating healthy day. No they're just like they're fighting each other really you and i love it. You know you still once. I get i need to make sure that i am saying is king tut day. National chicken ladies day. Oh my god. that's my day. Honorary alexis day can lady. It's it's an it's a there are some. it's an honoree of some lady that went by the chicken lady. And i just think that that is such a relevant day especially for alexis because the picture is of a chicken wing. I had chicken wings today monday. Yes today we know. But ob- chicken on wednesday to chicken lady day. I need to really look into this. I feel like it'll be a nice like inspiring day for us to maybe dive into all right. Well that's of that so let's turn down the lights and turn up your anxiety because this could be you. We've all seen a late night. Fight a little little argument after a night of drinking escalates. Maybe it's a friend of yours who bumped into guy looking for trouble. Maybe it was a group of complete strangers who looked at each other the wrong way the toxic combination of alcohol testosterone in two. Am can bring out the worst in people. Most of the time it ends with both sides backing down maybe a bruised ego or two. But sometimes like in today's story it can end in horror. Today's case takes us back to april twenty eighth of two thousand twelve. There is a lot of good songs. Topping the charts. Somebody that i used to know by goatee featuring kimba. We are young by fun featuring glad you came by the wanted. What makes you beautiful by one direction and boyfriend by justin bieber and movies like the raven and the three stooges remake and hardly sad or in theaters and the setting for. Today's case is boston. Which massachusetts capital city boston's known for their famous baked beans. Fenway park of the boston marathon. And i'm gonna read from the script that alexis wrote. I lived there so as quote. Noel jensen i will tell you some of my personal opinions and anecdotes that no one will probably understand closet. Guess boston it's a very it's a small town. It's a college town and they love sports. that's it that's an area. Ah that's it. i'm not going to get into anything else. Office case starts as so many do with a phone call in. Here's our first degree arianna into thousands. While i was at college at quinnipiac in connecticut finishing my senior year it was actually our spring weekend at school so i had woken up a little late on that saturday morning but i noticed over a period of like an hour or an hour and a half. My mom had called me baby like fifteen times. And when i finally answered the phone she was crying uncontrollably in all she can say was that stephen had gotten shot and it was almost like i was just in shock and felt like the world just stopped moving. I just. I didn't know how to respond. The first thing i said was well. Is he okay. Thinking like people get shot all the time and it's okay you know. It's a flesh wound door so broken leg. Something like that and all she said was now and i think i just dropped the phone and i just fell to the floor. It was like the most devastating phone call. Stephen prize are on. Its twenty. two year old cousin and best friend had been shot and killed which was something so outside of the realm of possibilities of something that could happen now. That stephen was back in boston. So you have to understand. Stephen served in iraq and afghanistan as an army sniper for two tours and every time he left his whole family would be terrified of receiving that dreaded phone call with news that something horrible had happened to him because that is a real possibility. When you head out to war but now he was back in the united states so it was the furthest thing from their minds and stephen enlisted in the army when he hadn't even turned eighteen yet and in two thousand seven. He left for his first tour. As a sniper in the army's mountain division and steven was decorated war vet who had moved back to his hometown of boston in two thousand and eleven after he finished his second tore and following his return he planned to pursue a career in law enforcement the ultimate goal of becoming a us marshal. Stephen was taking criminal justice classes at bunker hill community college and plan to transfer to boston university which i went to school to study criminal justice but in the meantime he had been accepted into the revere police department and was preparing to start at the academy. He was on the waiting list so his plan was to transition into working for federal agency after working for a few years as a police officer. That's arianna when she gets his new she standing our dorm room and she's receiving the absolute worst news of her life in. Her mind is spinning with the possibilities. Of what could have happened and what you to really understand. The kind of relationship arianna had with her cousin. They were the same age the shared so many of the same friends. It was a situation where a lot of her girlfriends were dating stevens france. He would visitor college and they were very very close to. This is earth shattering news. I was standing in my room at In my apartment at college and just remember my roommate's running to the door. And i'm thinking like how do they even know making a noise. I'd you know. I didn't even know that was crying loud and they just like ran into my bedroom. See what was happening. I assumed it was just like ran. A random thing because there wasn't anybody who hated him assume that had been random and since he was calling me on a saturday morning. I kind of assumed it was while he was the night before. I was honestly just in such shock that i didn't even know what to think because for the four years before that he was in the military so i was like always afraid of that phone call. He served two tours so it was kind of like something that i was always worried about. But then when he was finally oh it was something that kinda like all right. This is over. Then you know so. It was really weird to get that. After the fact so stephen having set-asides on a law enforcement career clearly. He wants to help people but now he can't do any of the things that he planned for his future because arianna is learning that her cousin and her best friend was dead. So what the hell happened. The detectives from the boston police department were in close. Contact with my mom and my uncle and they're the ones who told us everything and i don't quite remember how quickly we know who it was but they had the footage from the parking garage. The parking garage remonstrate so in the beginning. The police didn't have much to tell them because they themselves were still trying to figure out so trying to wrap their heads around what had happened. And the details are coming in from multiple sources. Several people who had witnessed the events unfold actually took video on their cell phones. There were also surveillance cameras that captured the crime so the puzzle was coming together. Bit by bit and one passer-by had videotaped using her phone from the fourth floor of the tufts medical center garage and she began when she heard the commotion and she stopped right before she heard the first gunshot. And here's what the police gleaned from the various video clips and witnessed it turns out that a night that ended with the horror of stevens murder began with fun laughter in a night out with friends in boston theater district so the theater district is located next to boston's community park and it basically consists about five blocks within boston. Proper in this area has an interesting story in the nineteen forties at over fifty theaters in the area and in the nineteen seventies developers began restoring and renovating these old theaters. So in the theater district modern day there are a lot of fun bars and lounges. And this is the area. Stephen and some of his high school friends decided to go bar hopping on this particular evening. So the group of friends consisted of. Stephen is friend christopher his friends shane friend mike and his friend matt so all those friends. They're going out and they're partying. They're having fun and then at around one forty five in the morning. The start walking back to stephen's car and cars parked in a parking garage near the tufts university medical center campus on fremont street. And there's a lot of energy this evening. There's a bunch of people around bargo returning to their cars and there's just a lot of people walking around a lot of energy in the streets that you really expect to see in a busy city over the weekend and the stephen and his friends approached the car. There are several people walking around a young woman walks by and she was a bottle service. Waitress who just gotten off work at a club that was nearby and the friends. Stop her and ask her if she wouldn't mind taking few pictures of them and she yes no problem. The energy was high. The guys were still having fun and they're winding down from a fun evening out. They just wanted to capture it just enjoying being in their early twenties. But it's at this time that a black car pulls up and comes to a halt. The windows of the vehicle are partially down. And somehow a conversation is started between the occupants of the vehicle and stevens friends who are still standing outside his car. The people inside this car were strangers to stevens group. And it's not clear how a verbal exchange started. The conversation began as an exchange of pleasantries. But after a few moments somehow the energy shifts and what started out as agreeable in a flat exchange transformed into insults being hurled groups so at a certain point the passenger side door of the black vehicle is flung open and a women's sort of barrels out and she's yelling. She's screaming and she starts physically pushing up against stephen and his friends in something we have to address is that reminder. It's almost two am. It's a party night out. It's a friday night and that's closing time for boston. And we have to imagine that many of the individuals involved in this unfolding scenario or likely somewhat impaired by alcohol to a degree because remember these are strangers who had no previously established issues with one another whatsoever so this confrontation that's ensued. This far was as a result of a very quick verbal exchange. Seem to be getting out of hand right and back to what was going on in this parking garage so this screaming woman was becoming more and more upset and she was lunging at these guys that so. The driver of the car was out in front of the car and he tried to convince her to get back into the car. She refused so he tried to physically guide her back into his car. She refused once more and she seemed even more heated as these moments passed on and there were several people in the garage observing this and people honking their horns in an attempt to deescalate the entire situation. Then all of a sudden the driver of the car throws a punch and it lands on. Stephen peres now. Stephen has military training and he was also extremely fit so after he was hit he starts defending himself and the two men start throwing punches and a fight starts. And it's just one on one. And eventually stephen in the man are pulled apart doesn't really seem like there was like a big turning points or anything because they had said that from the videotape that it had cooled down for a little bit so there was a portion of time where nobody was even fighting anymore if you watch the video. It's at this point this woman who seems to be the catalyst just keeps on going and the driver who just gotten a physical scuffle is back as best he can and in the video. You can see that. This guy is also on the phone which is a problem because he's actually calling for reinforcements because the group in the car had just had a night out with several friends who were close by and now they were all going to come back and help these guys in this fight against stephen and his friends and by the way stevens friends had not gotten involved in the fistfight stephen had gotten in with the driver they stood back and let the one on one fight unfold in a fair manner but for a moment after we see the driver of the car on the phone after the men are pulled apart. It seems that the fight is over and it's not until three more men rush the scene that they start throwing punches and things escalate once more. And then i'm assuming that words probably got exchanged again which ensued the fight again. My cousin was backed up against a car and there was two of them fighting him and he was fighting back. And then what started as a fight between two guys erupted into a brawl in in this footage of seems like a tangled not flying fists. They're screaming cursing there's name calling and there are people on the ground being hit and stomped on and then seemingly out of nowhere. There's a gunshot in. The crowd scatters after everyone has run away. What was left with. Stephen perez on the ground bleeding after suffering a shot in the back and following the gunshot. Paramedics and police arrived. They rushed stephen to the nearest hospital but they couldn't save him. He died at twenty minutes later. An autopsy was conducted and revealed. That stephen died as a result of the bullet piercing his abdominal aortic and he subsequently blood out that wound at the time he was killed. Steven was five foot nine. He weighed two hundred and twenty pounds. He was healthy and very physically fit. After stephen died. The cops worked hard to identify. Everyone who appeared in the video stevens murder and the events that preceded it and as they were looking at all of this footage they saw that one of the three men with later been summoned to the fight could visibly be seen with a gun in his hand and as the fight turned into a brawl. He was sort of lurking. On the periphery of the fight. Almost as if he was wondering or confused about how he was going to get involved and whether or not he should use his gun and for whatever reason at some point as stephen has his back to this man and his wrestling with someone else. The man shoots stephen in the back. The catalyst for this decision is unknown but the repercussions of. This event are obvious and brutal. Anyone can join colts if you've ever dived headfirst into a new self help program or believe wholeheartedly and spiritual practice or even just trust someone with your life. Guess what you're just as long as everyone else. No one is safe especially not megan. I am the most susceptible. 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They obtained a warrant and charged him with murder in tandem with their attempts to locate him. And eventually the police discovered that castillo had i fled to new york and then he hopped on a plane and flew to the dominican republic where he had family ties and the police describe casio as a hispanic male five seven weighing approximately one hundred fifty pounds with black hair and brown eyes. Meanwhile stevens family were barely holding it. Together they lost stephen and now on top of that they were dealing with the possibility that is killer being never see justice. We found out belief it was within a month. After stephen had died that he had fled the country. He had drove to new york. The monday after stephen was killed and he flew out of. Jfk to the dominican and bought a one way ticket. After that. i was so the press. Neka like i was in shock for like months. Afterwards it was like just a crazy time that i kinda tries to just put him out of my mind months past then on october. Twenty four two thousand twelve castilla was placed on the us marshals fifteen most wanted list of fugitives. A twenty five thousand dollar reward was offered for information leading to his arrest in america's most wanted aired a segment on the hunt for custodio featuring the charges he was facing for killing stephen peres in cold. Blood how do you best described stephen peres. Junior a decorated war veteran for starters. Stephen just finished his second tour when he found himself back home. The states but tragically for this brave soldier aid soon. Find out that the battle zones of afghanistan iraq would be much safer than his hometown streets of boston. Detectives quickly identified and arrested nearly all the players in this tragedy but unfortunately the alleged shooter remains at large peterka. Steel dislike quick investigative. Work sergeant sullivan was unable to capture steel before he fled boston for new york then boarded a plane to the dominican republic. Aw they weren't able to extradite him. I'm assuming he was staying with his family there. Who of course you do anything for your family. We're probably hiding him. All i could think about in my head was like the beautiful beaches in the dominican and him laying on a beach the frozen drink while where home morning mourning awesome my cousin and my best friend stevens family struggles to keep moving forward with their lives as justice for stephen loomed in purgatory but luckily behind the scenes the us marshals were making slow yet steady progress in terms of locating. The perpetrator did receive information. That led them to believe that steele was living. At address in santo domingo dominican republic and once identified the house the marshalls worked for the dominican. Republic's own fugitive task force. They went to the address in search of him and it turns out it was the craft house but cassia wasn't going to make this easy on anyone and not himself either. He fled the home and a manhunt followed. The entire neighborhood was searched and luckily they did eventually find him hiding nearby so finally castillo was in custody in officially under arrest and charged with first degree murder in unlawful possession of a firearm. He now also faced a federal charge of unlawful flight to avoid prosecution and now it had been at two and a half years stevens murder two and a half years. Castillo gotta live free outside of prison walls. After taking steven prizes life and for those two and a half years stevens family have been waiting for. Custodio to be held accountable. The detective on the case had called my mom and my mom had walked into my room and time when she was just like crying but she was smiling at the same time and i was like. Oh this is weird. what's happening. And she was like they got him big autumn and i immediately knew what she was saying. I think finally the e. us marshals had found where he was. It was like so exciting in a way knowing that they were finally able to go get him but it was also like we were just reliving this all over again and he had been forced back into my mind so once detectives or face to face with custodio did was his story. He's that after getting the call from his friends. He pulled his gun out from underneath the seat of his car because he didn't know what was going on and then he speed walks down the ramp of the garage. He heard screaming and he approached the fight that was going on so he saw the driver of the car and it was his friend named hector lopez and hector's face was covered in blood so castillo took his gun out and he shot stephen and his reasoning was because he was fighting with his other friend. And the defense that he is going after here is that he was justified in shooting stephen because his friend was in danger when the truth is he impulsively pulled the trigger understanding being credible magnitude of what he was about to do. And how many lives he would ruin or altered. Drastically as a result. Custodial pled not guilty to the charges. He was facing and as the trial approached. The pain of what happened was dredged. Backup for everyone. In stevens life. It was emotional. It was awful honestly at that point. My friends who had been dating stevens friends they had broken up. It was almost like our group that we were like all of us together was just kinda like in almost like par and for years. Everyone's lives are changed by that time we weren't twenty one anymore. We were late twenties ask. Everyone had different lives in. I felt like i was still stuck. The trial lasted four days. There is no issue in the case as to who fired the fatal shot custodio. He did but he was arguing that he was worried for the life of his friend being in that courtroom. It was really hard. You know listening to what the defense had to say. Yes about my cousin. And course that's their job to make their who they're defending you know. Make them look good but it just seeing him in court made it really hard for me in my family as well. Listening to my uncle stephen. Cry and hearing his sobs is like something i'll never forget. It's like heart wrenching. You know watching like a grown man saw like that because he lost his son tragically in. It's not fair. It hurts always being at trial. Pantages brought me back to that day. You know that whole week. Which was just a horrendous week for all of us. We want to remind you of the senseless events that lead to stephen shooting. It was neither stephen nor his friends. That started this fight. They did throw the first punch either. They didn't call for reinforcements to escalate the events that evening. The opposing group did the whole situation was a mess and completely senseless. Ariana and her family had to look at the back of this guy's head in court. Someone who brings a gun to a nightclub on a friday night out in the city. It's almost like you're looking for trouble. I feel like that's almost feel like it's not to protect you like you know. What is your point for a night out drinking having fun dancing. You know with your friends. What at what point do you feel like. I'm definitely gonna need gun. You know. I don't. I never got ready for a night out being like all right. I have my lipstick. I have my wallet and oh my gun perfect. That doesn't make sense to me. I feel like there is. Ill intent there. He knew he shot him. He knew what he did. He wasn't denying that he did it but it was more that they wanted manslaughter. And knowing that that has a lesser sentence like really that. What kind of worried us. We couldn't see his face flat. He never spoke. He never seemed angry or it was just kind of like no emotion in. I don't know if that was his way of showing that he was scared or but there was just nothing he never looked anywhere else but directly in front of him very hard to read both the prosecution and the defense presented their arguments and the jury was sent out to deliberate. It only took ninety minutes for them to return a guilty verdict finding him guilty of first degree murder and after handing down this ruling. The judge said quote in in another age. This incident that occurred resulted in some people going home with black is split lifts and hurt feelings and they go on to live the rest of their lives but this is where we are today and i think my personal take on. This is in the age of gun. Violence senseless gun violence Win this verdict was handed down. Peterka steve did not react. Steven's mother who arianna his aunt spoke after the verdict. And her name is kimberly mcgee and she said my heart goes out to his family also. They're suffering to this kind of violence. Ripples through all our lives there's no joy at the end of the tunnel for any of us when they read the verdict. You know of course. You're instructed not to show any emotion but they are word sounded like it was his his family. They started crying and in a way. It almost made me feel bad for being happy. Because you know that's a family that they're not going to see their son as you know. As far as we know it's he had life without parole so he wouldn't they wouldn't see him out of jail you know. And that's that. I felt for them in a in a weird way. Because you think of someone you know dying you know. That's an obvious thing where it's sad but then you also think of someone you love doing something wrong and then you don't get to see them again it's it's also like it's a loss you know and it's just like a loss of life all around kind of it's just a weird mix of emotions. They were sitting. I believe behind us or a couple rows behind us. I feel like he didn't just ruin our family you know. He ruined his own family as well even press how to girlfriend at the time of his death. Her name was cassandra. Baracoa and following the verdict. She said it feels. Like i've been in a lifetime of pain and many members stevens family also read victim. Impact statements including arianna. Once they were finished the suffolk superior court judge gave castillo a mandatory life in prison without parole so normally a guilty outcome followed by a life without parole sentence would act as a demarcation line of sorts for the family marking the phase where they could try to pick up the pieces and move on. But this wasn't going to be the case for stevens family because only a few weeks ago. In october of two thousand twenty massachusetts prem- judicial court resentenced custodio in a precedent setting ruling made by judge. Ralph gaunt's that first degree murder conviction was downgraded to second degree and while he was serving a life without parole sentences. New sentence will allow for the possibility for parole after nine years so in order to charge an individual with first degree murder in massachusetts. The murder has to have an element of extreme atrocity or cruelty. There could be other capital elements like conspiracy in that but in inca studios case this applied so custodio lawyer on appeal argued. That the murder of stephen pres- didn't meet that standard so it should have been second degree murder in a unanimous decision. The court found that the jury should not solely consider whether a murder victim suffered before death but must also consider the defendants criminal intent before deciding if the murder wasn't active extreme atrocity or cruelty. Which is like i said. One of the required elements who first degree murder conviction so in massachusetts a first degree murder carries a mandatory life without parole sentence but if a person is convicted of second degree murder they are eligible for parole. Which is why casio's sentence was ultimately amended and after the ruling the prosecutor and stevens case said the following quote. This decision is part of a troubling trend of diminishing and minimizing the crime victim. Homicide victims literally have no voice. This whole thing is devastating for stevens family. Especially because it means that this ruling could give more convicted murderers a chance for parole when the family of the victims thought that they would be behind bars forever and stevens families. Fear is that has stolen. Life has now been reduced to a ruling that criminal defense attorneys will say to try to get convicted killers leniency. I almost felt like numb. It was almost like punch in the gut from my understanding. This'll change the way other first degree murderers from now on the way there look that with that charge. The first thing i thought of was so because of peterka. Ceo and my cousin's death other people in years to come won't be charged with first degree murder and it was like so for them. It's like peter a hero attorneys will look at the commonwealth versus his ceo reference. That as how how to get out of first degree murder. Don't forget the victim. He took a twenty two year old boy that he took his life. I don't want my cousin. Stevens named get lost. And i don't want his memory be shattered. I guess in intellect one thing that really really stuck with me was when they found him in the dominican in the first thing he said was. I know why are you here. I did it i shot. I am sorry. I forget his name. What's his name is steven peres. That's his name and you took his life. It's important to stevens family. That he's remembered for who he was not for his murder which became a precedent setting case that essentially benefits murderers. What really push me to email you. Guys i guess was that i always think of how billie johnson said like everybody knows. Ted bundy's name but can you name his victims. There's nothing you can do to bring stephen back. I just want to give my cousin a voice even though he doesn't have his own voice anymore don't remember him the way he died and how tragic it was and the stupid fight that he got into remember for who he was. While he was alive he was such a goofball. We always had so much fun. All we did was laugh and you know he was a ladies man and like we always used to make fun of him for that. I believe it's in the america's most wanted episode where my uncle says his goal was to be a us marshal like at the end of the day. That was his life goal. He wanted to check. He wants to help. The cosmic shuffling of the deck is something that we talk about a lot here on the first degree. and it's important to realize that we can encounter the potential for conflict anywhere and everywhere every street corner every elevator every restaurant every night club and parking garage. Since i was a little girl my dad had always told me you know. Be aware of your surroundings. Pay attention to everyone around the you and it was almost like it was heightened after that. You never know who's around you you don't know but weapon they have more you know what's in the back of their head over something stupid as a girl yelling something at you from a car. Don't even don't even don't even say anything back. Don't don't engage. You never know you just don't know who's around there's fistfights all the time at clubs bars and that's all it was and that's all it had to be. It was just a one on one fight again. Anyone can pull a gun and shoot it time no matter where you are. It's scary it. Just don't just don't engage. We're going to end plays episode by reading a portion of the arianna initially sent to us. When stephen i passed away we raise money for scholarships for high school students pursuing careers in criminal justice. Which is what steven dead. Now it's eight years later in anymore. Fundraisers in my cousin's name. He did so much in a short time here including two tours in the army iraq and afghanistan all of that as a young man to just be forgotten. And this is us now. When you think about all of the training steven went through in the military all the time he was in a dangerous situation. Then you think about all the hours. He studied in college and high school in middle school in elementary school. Everything's stephen did to make himself a better person. Although love he gave to his family all the time putting his friendships only to have his life taken away over. Some drunken words change in a parking garage a lot of worth. Come to mind when trying to make sense of it all but time and time again there is one word you keep coming back to and that's just senseless. All right well huge. Thank you to arianna for being our first degree for this episode. If you're listening out there and you have a story to tell or you know somebody has a story to tell you can email us. Hello at the first degree. Podcast dot com. You can follow us. An instrument. The first degree out alexis linkletter at billy johnson. Jack panik join our facebook group. We're talking true crime all the time to search the first degree on your facebook search bar and stick around. Because we're gonna kill some time and celebrate alexis and billy's new show and celebrate jack vanak who's a kris jenner of the podcast and my life tougher. Happy happy stress day. Oh sorry billy. Didn't we're leaving the go belly and remember only you can prevent serial killers and keep your friends close but senate good. Jack did not on my end. Happy die happy chicken lady day. Be candidate big. Thanks to jared. Monica creating original music for the first degree and for his sound design. Magic shot two are producing team. Caitlyn cleveland taylor. Rogers and allen santiago for podcast one sources for today's episode includes. America's most wanted nbc. Boston salem news cbs. Boston the boston globe court documents. The boston herald and so as our frustrated guests is always our largest source. expresses all new. And all about you with a fresh assortment of casual versatile and super comfortable styles you know. I've always loved express. I've shopped there. 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You know we record killing time before we record the actual episode like get us in the mood. Get us in the groove. And how long did it take us to set this up alexis. Gosh at least thirty. Five thirty five minutes could have been done by now. It's very upsetting to fit and we also record very late at night because you guys are working on your show all day every day and we record very lay on monday nights usually so we could use those really really good late minutes for asleep. I know or like a decompress. anything else. besides a waste. Frankly i would really like to know mercury in retrograde. Not that i believe in this whatsoever but before we started. I'm having issues with my email being full for no reason and i couldn't start my zoom. I don't know what's going on. But like i would like to hope that somehow it's related to mercury fake spinning in the wrong way. That's what people say. My mom's like. I'm not buying a new car because mercury's in retrograde i'm like okay some other time than but isn't mercury isn't mercury's retrograde not even really because it only looks like it's spinning backwards but it's not. Do you know anything about this. Billy you guys are speaking entirely. I don't know anything about i mean. None of us know anything about it. It's just something people say and it's something people saying. I think it's because well whatever it's because people say mercury spins and the other way but it's only an allusion so it doesn't even happens but you know we just have to have like an excuse for why things are going wrong. That's right the world. The world is an illusion. What is time what is on what is like the space time continuum has abruptly changed in the last eight months. Oh ensure fighting has i don't have any concept of time. No okay so before we start killing time. I just wanted to say an official congrats to you guys on your show. Thank you yeah. I think the the announcement was before the last episode rear. I mean after the last episode recorded. Correct yes yes yes it was. Well kinda 'grats. It's so exciting. I know like all the first. We're like freaking the gow. Everybody was like because when we said. Jared jared is going to be editing the podcast portion of it and it was like. Where's jack jack and kris jenner. She slowly making a ranch. She's pulling all the strings. It was funny because somebody. I saw comments on one of your posts and it was like wow. Did you mean girls jack. No you're you've got your hands and all of these things. It's jack's way she just way. Yeah yeah i mean at it so make say anything. He wants us to say. Well the thing is we are. This is what we we had a whole meeting about this the other night. It's like our main goal as a trio is. We're building this world. And this multifaceted kind of thing within the first degree world that maybe there'll be a project with to us. Maybe it's one but we're all we're living inside the same family and we're just at the beginning of it. Yes so. I'm not actually right. I'm not. I'm not super jealous. But i'm a little bit jealous. That's fine work. You and i are going to be a secret. I can't say it you can't say that. So no we have. There's a lot coming down the pipeline. So billy will have his time to be left out. When you had billion lady gang. I felt left. Out when dared. Billie wanted a gos- christian band. I felt left out when billy bring christian. You and billie are on the bestsellers list. I felt left out. You and jared frozen embryo. Although i and all those tank egg has emerged. But i know we. We're all we're all enmeshed with each other to varying degrees and it is a collective unit of creativity. I'm sorry a checklist. We're the evanger and this is like the avengers movie but then four has a movie and hoc shows up in it and it's just like oh that's cool and you have all of these different things coming on but yes. This is the avengers movie that you listen to every wednesday. You know what i really my full circle moment that i feel that i could service you guys during your venture would be if i got paid instagram ad for your show syria. Now typically happen you'd and other discovery. Id stuff right. No dan love me hers. Like nothing is more on brand than ide- for me so it's like you never know i might be sitting with my computer looking the case. Yeah eat a ready to dive in. That's right it would be the best full circle moment ever okay. So it's called unraveled. Now we were on the podcasts part. So they haven't mean. Billy can talk about it. It's fine. Billy is going to be all happy but like talking. You can yes. They essentially announced the podcast portion. But there's also a tv portion so they hinted at it in the press release. They were like it's going to be an anthology series but they didn't really elaborate on tv. The tv parts going to have a different name Which we're we keep sending them suggestions. They keep getting rejected. Were like well. Who knows what it's going to be called. But the count wasn't but wasn't unravelled. The that was one of the options. Did you catch it to the for the tv show. And then they took it for the podcast. I think they were thinking of unraveled for the entire series and then they just haven't landed on the tv part. They're not to name it the same thing it seems so we're you know we'll see what it ends up being named interest. Yeah so don't get your tattoos. Just yet see i love. The name unraveled when he was like ability. Yeah i can just see like the title. Like the text the font title unraveling like yarn. You know like a like a red yarn. And the i and i think it really works as a podcast. Because the podcast. We're talking seven hours. You know so. This is going to be a slow fast slow. Burn but it's going to be. We're what we're doing is we're pulling on that. That strain and unraveling the corruption unraveling the sale killer story. The myth the legend. And all of that. That's what we're doing so right. Television is different television as fast. Television is is more of a summer. It'll be a summary of what we cover in the podcast. So yeah i mean. They should be announcing the tv part like any day so stay tuned. But that's what. That's what's cool about it because i mean i feel like they're either even though true crime audiences all one i feel like sometimes it is a different audience that will end up watching the tv show and then a different audience will find the podcast. Just now crosses them back over. and also. I don't know if i've ever watched lake a special or whatever that has that podcast component of it where it is like if you wanna know more. Because they're especially for the story with all the research you guys have done. There's so much more that i'm sure even six or seven episodes or whatever it's going to be a won't even i mean was probably and the grand wanted more we wanted more doesn't even fit in the seven hours. No it really was because when you know you're working on a one hour to hour sometimes you're just like i know this won't ever make it in and now we know can make it in and it you know the idea going into it was was what if they had cameras from the start when they were doing. Some of your favorite seven to ten episode podcasts. Decide to do like like syria. So it's like might as well. Let's start filming right away and it really was. We have so much content and were were really able to tell the story in a different way. And if you wanna if you're listening to the podcast so many times when you listen to podcasts. Be like. I wonder what that looks like. I wonder what how that how. I wonder how uncomfortable that was. And what are the faces like the all that kind of stuff. And you're able to see that because i will say this is one of the most beautifully shot shows interim crime that i've ever seen. Can you talk about like the cinematic kind of idea of it because usually especially those type of true crime shows. It's very sometimes. It can get hokies. Sometimes the reenactments can get a little bit like you. Don't there's only been a few true crime shows or documentaries or whatever that actually are shot beautifully at the same time like those things usually don't go hand in hand the other. Yeah we got really lucky because the we have no recreation at all so it's like that is a huge gap and it's really just like us and it's like they shot a lot of slow mo There's one scene where literally billy like. It's going to be super cool. There's a train about to combined. I'm like standing by the train. And he pushed me out of the way. So that in the shot as a train. And by james bond i was like oh my god that is that was surreal. What we should have or it was the fact that alexis have been saying. I don't know where i'm walking. I can't walk and she came really close to actually hitting the freaking train as not. I'm just trying to save her. It's true you know it's so good about this is that there's a video of this so the truth will come out one way or another of which way billy bush towards pockets from the train. But i'm sorry the whole because you guys told me the story a while ago. There's nothing in. there's nothing that's more perfect for your relationship than yours. The scene okay. He relaxes. that's right. It was basically alexis walking into a bunch of stuff. They entire shoot a while. We were on that train platform and then the train comes by. And then i push her out of the way of the trade. It wasn't for me to get a better shot of myself. Oh there are. There's literally a whole crew staring at us. No one else was concerned that i was too close to the train out of the show runner washing so he literally is making this up. But it's fine. The point is is that it is beautifully. Shot it. yeah i mean. We're super excited about it. I think always it comes out. We're gonna fear on critics. I'm sure will wish we could have done this or that. But i think overall we're going to be super happy with it and those moments where we're making these really uncomfortable phone calls for the podcast where we're like confronting people in our story like all of that. They filmed us doing so. It's a lot of. There's a lot of really tense moments. There's a lot of really like uncomfortable. Really uncomfortable moments. Where like. I'm like shit blake. It is really we knock on some doors get yelled at. There's a whole lot of cringes stuff. They'll probably edit it pretty well but it's worth seeing for sure i'm like can i. I wanna know. G think all of those moments will make it in some enough of then we'll make an in. I think some will make it all. Be on the podcast. But you know two hours of tv. We shot probably thirty. Forty hours of footage so they always just take the best stuff so hopefully the good ship makes it in my. Gosh i am so so excited for this like. I'm more excited for this than anything. That's happened in my life. Well that's who i thought. Wouldn't your tv show came out. We're literally. I was just so excited and you. So you're you're so cool like you're just very passive about it and i think we're like that we don't want we're humble. We don't want to like draw too much attention like the day at errors. I'll probably need to just like go to bed. And not like the world's reaction to it. You know what i mean. It's just one of those things. Were just not attention seeking so it's hard hard because it's we did put alexis put five years into this ileana. I came on for six months of it and then we did. We did a really intense six weeks there. And you know and then there's a lot of there's a lot of cooks in the kitchen. A lot of people play of stuff like that. So it's going to be like you know seeing your your kid go off to college. Well it is so crazy. Because lacks i remember like you have been working on this and you've done like different kinds of packages to pitch for different things and i remember you showing me the i. I don't know if it was like a trailer or whatever it was Says all this was still living in. Hollywood had to have been like six not six years ago. Five years by guys when the very beginning and i was like. Oh it's this even back then. The story was so like convoluted and layered. And you're like i can't. I'd need to sit you down for like five hours to explain this whole thing from top to bottom. It is so complicated and so crazy that it's like unlike anything that you have ever heard. It's funny when we posted the announcement about it. I almost got cheesy on my instagram post. And was going to say something to the effect of when they say hard work pays off. You almost never really believe it. And it's not even hard work. It's like people said no to this project for literally years so many times people said no in every meeting people said no over and over in every medium like no no. No things held it up for five years and it's like for whatever reason i just didn't upset me and it didn't Rattle my confidence in the project itself. I just knew gold. And i knew eventually someone would say us but it was complicated and i think it was just the angle that had to get and it was timing and it was billy and it was probably the pandemic and all sorts of variables that causes it to actually happen but people message me all the time. And i'm sure jackie message you like your career so cool. How do i do this. And it's like how do i do that. It's like literally kill yourself with with how hard you work. Not literally kill yourself. It's like jack knows. Billy knows it's like i've spent two or three years up all night like doing working in tv shows. The podcast like trying to make this other thing happen. And there's no shortcuts. There's no short now. You don't wanna put on the work well and especially for a project like this like that focuses on like a deep dive of a singular case especially something like this. That's so convoluted but it's like you can't half ass it and this is i think especially for you alexis like this is the definition of a passion project like. You're going to keep doing this even if you didn't end up getting paid for it one day and it didn't turn into something that was real like this is something that you are like diving like head on for years and years and years and years and it didn't matter what it was so i think at the end of the day that is what's going to make it so good because you have that behind it you're not looking for you weren't looking for like the money or the notoriety or else that like kind of like waters down a story because people are looking for things that go along with the story so i think that it's just gonna be as such a fantastic thing and i'm so proud of you guys check. You're the most supportive friend ever. I love you so much and honestly like this is getting really cheesy. I don't think so much of my career has has turned out well. Because like i partnered with you on this and like you're just you're my sister. I love you so much. And you're always so supportive. And even if i won't be proud of myself with something you'll do it because you know that i'm too. You know what i mean like. I'm too nervous to give myself any props or anything so you'll like do it. But i just. I just love and appreciate you so much now. And you and youtube really. Thanks like whatever. No i feel like i mean not to get like cheesy but like i think us three coming together which was such like a cosmic kind of thing and it was something that i think none of us really understood what the future of it would bring in how we'd benefit each other's lives in different ways. Because i feel like what this. Show the show probably. Wouldn't you guys wouldn't have been as close if we didn't start this podcast. So then billy probably wouldn't have been involved with the show. So it's like all these. Weird things that have snowballed to like lead us to where we are today and it's just really exciting because i feel like we are best. He is and we support each other and so many different ways. And i think it really pays off in like the coolest way because there's no like real ego involved in any of our little our little thing. Oh this is this is really good. I feel like. I feel like we should ended on a high note. Yeah let's debt okay. We love you guys at time of death. Eighteen seventeen phoebe.

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Thanksgiving

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Thanksgiving

"Thank you for listening to this. Podcast wine production now available on apple. Podcasts podcast one. Spotify and anywhere else. You get your podcasts degree degree degree post degree first degree supposed to have in movies not real life. Welcome to the first degree. The true crime podcast that you might end up on my name. Is jack panic. And i'm sitting far away from alexis. Linkletter and billie johnson and you know before we started the podcast. We're just talking about some beauty tips and surprisingly billy didn't chime in. What's your beauty ritual billiom. Give us billy give us your best. Beauty tip does a great start to the episode. Okay well i don't necessarily know if it's my best beauty tip but i i use a cleanser and then i use a serum from from keells. Yes who turned you onto kills nobody. Not so the honestly. Whenever i think of kills i think of alexis. It's like your favorite thing in the world. I do love some key. All's kill who kills and so he started buying kills right. That's exactly right. Yeah no. I just like going into keells in them being like if you buy fifty dollars more you can get a free bag. And i'm like yeah hell yeah. What a free bed always. More her having thirty percent off right now. This is not an ad. Oh my god. I wish it was. I were to send stuff today. So billy is your your beauty. Tip is keells a kills serum see men. Don't have to do shit. Jared doesn't ever wash his face ever jersey use body wash to wash her face. Yeah he just like said yes body wash and he doesn't have pores and i need it rots because i do i do have pores but so i use. I use a special cleanser to clean up my pores. Good for you okay. Well that was not really a beauty tip. So you're paying just i wash my face wash your face and stay out of the sun. Stay out of the sun. Is the biggest beauty tip that you can ever give. That is very true. That is the best beauty tip ever is status the sun and use retinol done true dun dun dun before a day for everybody who's listening. This is a special thanksgiving episode. Not like a normal episode. Because you guys. Don't listen on thanksgiving eve. So we're gonna stop wasting a wonderful case on a drop that no one pays attention to so we're doing an extended sort of killing time long episode today to just talk about some seasonal things in some seasonal crimes. You know nobody. Nobody listens to any podcasts. During any sort of a holiday so finally. I think that we've tried to do cases every year up until now are just like screw it but if you are listening thank you your hardcore and we love you you know what. I think that we need right now. If you're listening. Go of the facebook group and make a post that you're listening and let's see how many people were listening. I wanna know. I wanna know where the truth i either at and we will hear. We're going to start this thing. If you've been listening for a while we're going to start doing merch giveaways for five star reviews on our podcast in the first merge. Giveaway that we're going to do is the first person to post on the facebook group. They're listening to this episode. Yup anything you want in the story yet rush anything want in the store and then after that if you leave us a five serve view we are gonna pick a person a week for the next indefinite time and just remember to leave your instagram named at the end of the year of your review and make it funny when pick yours. We like to laugh guests. Yeah we should start reading the reviews that we picked because they should be delightful. I agree we used to read bad ones. That was funny. Started making people's views five stars but then a terrible review this isn adding up but well listen. I'll take that's fine as long as you have the five stars you can give us a bad review but we still will take that rating. Yeah we will. Okay billy are we go into day. Is that what we do next. Yes we're going into the day and today is blackout wednesday. Also called drinks giving thanksgiving eve and wacky wednesday. This was considered in new york at least the biggest club night of the year because everybody was home from college everybody. This was always considered one of the biggest club nights of the year the night when they made A a tremendous amount of money on wednesday the night before. I don't think it's just new york. I think that's everywhere. It was like the biggest. I mean at least college nights because like you said on home everyone would like rage rage. Did you was a thing for you guys when you will these rayovac home. Yeah you straight. I wish i could do it this year. All i wanna do is rage. I wanted to Yeah no. I remember going out. But i worked at bars and stuff in college so it was. I would always work on the wednesday what about you billy. I remember i remember going out for a actually and it was in high school in for some reason like we got into all of these clubs somehow In new york. And i remember it snowed so bad that we had to stay in new york and luckily we had an apartment to stay in but that was a a crazy night with about six. My friends i mean all your six friends. He used to sneak into clubs. I had a fake. id That was a medical alert. I d. I couldn't get a fake. Id from from like somebody else. Because it's hard to find somebody that's that was six four. My idea has said it was five four yet. Your girl don't that's true. Wesley wanna let ya. We don't even need ninety for for a tall. So i actually had to go and i had this like weird fake id. That would just say that. I was over eighteen. You know. I just wanted to be able to go to the dance clubs and stuff and that's what i did did have a picture on it like did it. You have had a picture. No it had a picture of me at the dance class of the disco tag would. Yes i would dance at the disco tech. Yeah why are you seventeen in. I wanna was the set. The scene billy. What kind of music was bumping. What kind of dances were done. We're talking about like one thousand nine hundred nine so you know i was going to the clubs that would play the carer and the smiths and and susan the benches and that kind of stuff Some like dirty as you would like head bang. Like how'd you dance that when you know they'll be had bang You will never see it in our lifetimes. But i would dance to that music and it was very much a goth type dance. Is it like in the air sort of like a little like a shimmy but like you don't do anything with your arms and the swaying around i. I was a punk kid too. So i would you know i did have a very good slam dance. Move by. I'm when i was when i was sort of in my gawk as yeah it was it was something to behold and also my. My limbs are all out everywhere. It was angry not good. The dan curtis like spinning robot bytedance. Yeah origin inside A little bit like that a little bit more yousef. I would say a little more abusive to the positive. Not abusive feels like more more outgoing. Just like ian. Curtis curtis would sort of sit there and and spas out. Yeah but i feel like maybe like an an curtis lake on live on steroids or something. Incur storage this was now. That's six four hundred and sixty pounds. Was there cocaine around in the clubs when you were. There was that little that was earlier. Eighty s no. That's not yeah no no. I wasn't a studio fifty four. I was at these clubs. Said a club called the loop which was in malibu which was a club on lido beach right near right on the other peninsula of of lung usa. Like that nc la yeah. That's that's. That's the club that i used to go to a club called spit i used to go to clinical heaven yeah mile i wonder if levittown new york it sounds my nightmare. I have a fear of sped. If that's an actual phobia but really the thought of spy. okay. I don't need to get into it but i if anybody knows that especially now i mean i spent especially i. It'll never go away now because bit could contain covert and then it's all over then over over. Okay so were there any other good days. Is that the only day one day which also fits me which is blase day now. That's jack are you bored with life and unimpressed around you. Jassam blase day is for you. Know that's i've never been a special. I can't especially now never been so bored with life. Yeah it's also it's also national jukebox day. And i would like to ask both of you. What is the number one song that you put on the jukebox when you go to a bar But i haven't seen one in a long time but when i was going to bars like that had jukebox is. I was like pre-college post college. It was always like bar songs like sweet. Caroline live on air. Like that's the shit when you want like everyone of drunkenly sing And that's not what it is now. But that's what i was choosing around. Would you now Would you choose now. Probably sing along always works out. That's that's the thing. It's like if karaoke different than jukebox songs like jukebox songs. Like you're trying to fill the energy in the room. Yes so yeah. I mean probably same. Actually not i think about it. Oh no cherry tonight. That's always what i would pick. Oh especially i would always try. I would try to search for like the one song that might be on there like if they had like a deep cut of follow boy or a yellow card. There's always one. That's hidden in there. So i always find that. We're like a nice a nice linkin park to set the mood and a great one. Yeah my own worst enemy is. That's a good sing along one. That is also a good karaoke song. Yeah absolutely i would always go with If because i'm usually in dive bars. I would go with baker street by gerry. Rafferty which is just a great dive bar song. It's just you're down on your luck can you you know no. I don't either. And honestly when billy says that it's like a good song for a mood. It's usually sad. Yeah it's going be. Yeah i mean let's on your last year alone in a bar. It's like that's soothing. That pumps you up. What do you mean down. There live as a euphemism for like they were down on their luck. They were loser. Never get when you're when you're when you're in a dive bar and your writer and you've just like tried to write you couldn't right and you just like screw it. I'm going to die bar. Then you go to a jukebox. You're gonna play something. That's pretty fricking sad as you're die bar you know drinking swell alcoholism alcohol over productivity. And that's like you're really brooding into that sadness. If i was having a down on my day and i was pissed. I would wanna go get shit faced and have a good time and put on a song that really pumped me up in a good way Well what different strokes for different folks that the truth okay wall. 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I'm just thinking about how terrible i'm gonna feel the next day. See that's how i feel about drinking now. I've realized that. I don't even like drinking at home. The only thing that i like about drinking is because i'm out doing something and then i'm home and drinking and then i still feel hung over and i didn't do anything. There's no worse feeling in the world. It's no. I'm not going to give. I'm gonna get probably toasty and like drink. Some nog Now have you had your first dog yet access. I've had several dogs this year already. I started i decorated like weeks ago. I know that she brought the naga to work to. did you. now get work. Who do you have a special type of dog. Where do you get your dog from trinidad dog. The other dog is like dairy. Nog hurts my stomach. it's just disgusting. Too thick amish nod trader. Joe's has a good one. That's still like nick. But it's not cream. And then i put the crack in remit. Which is my go-to with a little octopus on it. Release the kraken released can okay. That's right Do you start the day off with a five k. Memo says or neither or both people do five on thanksgiving. Yeah you know they do like the turkey trot or whatever is no no no no. I'm gonna make stuffing and probably lake hanging out my pajamas billy. You're not. I mean. I'll work out but then i'm going to start drinking very early. I will not watch football. I mean i always have i love. Oh saw that's my favorite time to drink his right when i wake up in the morning and then slowly taper off from there right. You know. i'm still. I still day drinking. I'm trying to get better at it. But how are we even friends. You know on true days off. I'll do it it just the second. I have one drink. You know obsessively work all day and be productive in like a second. I have a drink. I have to forfeit the entire day. So that's why. I'm always trying to push brunt our brunches to be as late as possible and i'm always trying to push them to be as early as nine. I'm like jesus jack killing me like six thirty pm on breakfast not french. It anytime as brunch for me is now. It gets dark outscore early that i'm trying to really take advantage of the small window of sunlight that we have your right to do it but now all the restaurants are closed. So there's no branching for us in the next few weeks said years as you're right new years. Yeah no no branching breasts no branching for us. Okay Is there thanksgiving food that you hate or do we just love the mall. Cranberry sauce really all craven like a horrid primary oh trip No captured so. I hate cranberry sauce. He mushrooms of any kind. I hate like sweet potatoes. Just salt and butter a hate. People who put mushrooms on mushrooms marshmallows on them the march is desired. Move not into that. Everything else is pretty good about you belly. I am not a a giant fan of the sweet potatoes. But i am a fan of the of the marshmallows scrape the marshmallows off of the muslims are graphs bill. You don't have any other thanksgiving foods you don't like i have. We talked about. How picky eater bilas. We have real talks about that before. Haven't we are being. But but the foods on thanksgiving are pretty much you know it's turkey and stuffing it. It's all pretty mild. Yeah so honestly make meal of the year. Like i feel like i've jack i've pushed this on you a couple of times in the last ten years where i'm like. Let's do thanksgiving themed like but with a chicken like i love you guys. I think over the last two years. And i made stuffing just like because it's also one of my favorite meals of the year but i think it's so special and sacred to thanksgiving itself that i don't like to and i look forward to it so much that one meal. It look forward to all year. That i really don't want to ruin it by having it on like a random tuesday. That's fair. i think the the one thing. I don't like on thanksgiving i like most thanksgiving Foods except for. I don't like a green bean or any sort of and i don't crave it but i'll eat it especially if you put crispy onions on top of it. I like the crispy onions. The crispy onions are okay. Let me grab my questions on thanksgiving day. Are you the type to have a breakfast or do you starve yourself until dinner. I'll have something small like a yogurt like protein or like a banana or something. Yeah like a pop tart or something. Then jesus christ just have a twinkie in the morning. Honestly if you like a pop tart would be quite delightful. There's cooked fruit again. What about chocolate one. They've got a chocolate chocolate ones. I'd rather just have like a croissant. like i'd rather have a delicious but we don't have a croissant. your you've just woken up. Nobody has bought a croissant. You but all of this thanksgiving food and you're just like all right. I'm a little bit hungary. And you look in the cupboard. You're not gonna find her sought. You might find a box of pop tarts if a phantom bought them for me maybe where my going gonna find a pop star. I just think like a biter. To of pop. Tart would be really nice. Because it'd be nostalgic. it would be indulgent. Yes and you partner neo you who is just chocolate water. It's so gross. it's cold hotshot. Labor's you who's not chocolate milk. It's chocolate flavored water. it's disgusting. It is you who the one that's already mixed or is you the when he in water now mix you buy next. It's like it's like chocolate. Water sick said billy. You would like that. Have i have you actually the last time that i went back to long island before the time that we just went i went to the delhi that we would always go to and i was like i gotta buy something nostalgic and i bought a you know. Let's sec okay. Have either of you done cheddar cheese slice on an apple pie and if so how did it taste. No i don't is that a thing It sounds. I don't like high 'cause it's cooked fruit. Get a gun. That is a thing and the place. I learned. That thing was in taxi. Driver deniro says like i had. I had a A slice of pie with with a slice of cheese. And i always thought that was so weird. I've never had it before. And it just sounds completely bizarre to me. I don't know if it's is it an east coast thing or it seems like it's like a mid west thing. I do like apples and cheese together. It sounds like something. I would like high crust and cheese also sounds good so i understand the concepts is your into its odd to think about. Yeah it is but it's very but it's very polarizing. What is the best way that you guys have ever used a leftovers. Are you a thanksgiving leftover person. How long do you eat them for until they're gone. Oh yes i love. Thanks giving sandwiches Like you make a sandwich of all that stuff. Yeah i will eat. I will eat thanksgiving leftovers still. They're gone you guys are. The ones who aren't leftover people have leftovers. Yes alexis is is really really into leftover. She will save everything and sitting and then it's like i like to eat it later or tomorrow morning or right when i walk in the door. I don't know some other time so it's good. I think that the the leftovers that i like the most are actually plugs into alexis is staffing. Because i like getting a hawaiian rolls and making sandwiches at of the hawaiian bread rolls and lexus. Make stuffing out of the wine. That's why i do that because then you also get enough. Hawaiian rolls to have leftover for making sammy's brilliant And you guys got a wife stuffing it's the best stuffing in the entire world highly. Recommend google it. There's a. I think it's a food network recipe. Just don't do it with raisins. it's like eighty people. I know have stolen this coach through again. Yeah not alexis alexis mileage. Good why would you. Business ruined everything. Tarnish a delicious savoury. Meal with warm reasons. I'm not a raisin fan but i i don't mind cooked fruit lemon curd. Are you know the lemon tart or something like that. Absolutely not any sort of a pastry with fruit. No jelly no pie filling like chocolate. Or cre- i need bananas. Okay because it becomes a creamy What kind of a deserter. You making for thanksgiving then. You don't do a pumpkin pie. Pumpkin pies okay. Because it's it's the past it's about opacity and it's about you know being gelatinous. I don't like a gelatin of any sort. Pumpkin pie turns into like a puree. And it's got a creamy texture and you can put cinnamon and it's more like on the creamy flavour palate as opposed to like a glassy sugary. Jam like a fruit. that becomes cham- can have that you're so passionate about your hatred for cooked through a love it. I've been nothing but consistent in this subject. I don't waiver it's amazing okay. We're gonna take another break really quick. 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Crime watch daily and it's easy to come up with you know the crimes around valentine's day the crimes around christmas crimes around even july fourth but the crimes around thanksgiving is a little bit different so i actually created a a info-graphic about cheese crimes coast around thanksgiving. Yes cheese. Then on the apple pie. I but but because it was food and i just wanted to do something for food so i just wanna talk to you about some famous cheese crimes. Did you know how much cheese has been stolen in the world by in august. Two thousand fifteen. Russian police busted a criminal cheese. Gang reported thirty million dollars worth of cheddar was seized as part of the operation. That's not all in italy. Sixty six million dollars worth of counterfeit cheese with seized. In two thousand fourteen around thanksgiving or just in general nutter thanksgiving inexhaustible confused because he said something about crime spiking in the holidays and that their unusual around thanksgiving holidays. You said about valentine's day fourth of july. There's a lot of that. But but i couldn't find any crimes on thanksgiving so we going to say i love you but this directly contradicts our next segment. Which is the homicide. Rates are highest on thanksgiving. Well so you know what. Here's the thing is that you gave me. I'll do thanksgiving traditions. I'll do crime bill. You what do want to do. And i'm like no obscure cheese crimes. You know what. That's all. I had because you guys took the two biggest things i try to do. Travel you guys said no because you wanna talk about travel. Everyone even more sad like what does that. Do you have any more cheese crimes millet. You have more cheese crimes. I'm gonna. I'm gonna talk about the case. Which cheese purview. Billy before we move on where was the correlation between cheese and thanksgiving. Because that's all this is what happens when you're you're trying to come up with something that's different every year and sometimes you just throw something out there and hope that it sticks like the case of the swiss cheese burger christopher pagano cheese permanent pleaded guilty to indecent exposure and harassment june two thousand fourteen in claims from multiple women. He offered the money to put the cheese on his crotch and perform a lewd act. Oh yeah lewd cheese. He probably liked the holes in the swiss cheese is like sexual for him. It might be something like that but also did you know that a russian dairy plant was closed in march two thousand fourteen after an image of its workers appearing to bathe in milk at the facility. That it's probably good for your skin though. I see where they're coming from with that. Maybe that's their skin secret. Sounds like the hurdle pretty quickly against the human body temperature. You've never heard of a milk. That's a pure milk bath. It sounds like it smells so is not done where you actually make the cheese. That's true yeah like a cheese cheese sent. I don't even know if milk bads are really done with real milk or if that's just a totally milk thistle with you hop out like that. Do you have any more cheese. I've got. I've got to but i'm not. I'm not gonna go into because you guys you know interim billy we have nothing else all right all right. Us mexico customs officials discovered packets of methamphetamine in cans of cheese sauce and jalapeno peppers in december of two thousand eleven. She sauces caso cases. My second favorite food after buffalo chicken wings cheese whiz when i was a kid i liked palate has refined quite a bit. I like just other sorts of cheese sauces on things. Billy what you want one more. let's get. Let's do one more all right now. Here's the thing. A group consumers filed suit against john. William macy's cheese sticks in july of two thousand fifteen according to the new york daily news the plaintiffs accused the company of claiming that they were deceived into purchasing the cheese sticks because they were branded all natural. When the snacks in fact contained artificial ingredients to join a lawsuit. Like that really is very karen. Everybody i will say that. Just cheese sticks just eat them enjoy artificial all natural whatever mean you say no to cheese. Deck especially deep fried. I should not i would not. You wouldn't need a cue stick fried mozzarella sticks a oh. I love that. There's a meam about string. Cheese is like i'm would eat tencent. Jesus and they're like glutton horrible idea and then it's like i'm going to deep fry them in oil brand van twenty nine dollars please this libyan nice warm up to my actual. That's it kind percent gotta love some cheese okay. Well i think we kills enough time. Did we Thirty two minutes. I mean i have one more little bout of things to say in that. Thanksgiving larry risk thanksgiving's a risky holiday. And you want to be very safe. Crimes deaths spike this time of year. And here's why generally speaking on people's days off crimes go up that's because people drink it also when people shop so there are a lot more robberies people targeted homes. Being robbed cars being rob because people assume their gifts people get mugged. People are carrying cash in the nor around our families which lhota stress we want you to be safe and take you know a mental health check amongst each other because especially now Not did make it like serious but a lot of people are spending thanksgiving loan and you know check in on your friends and family who may be doing that and a lot of them might be too embarrassed to say that they're spending alone or something like that check in on everybody but Also be really careful when you drive because even though people aren't traveling by flight usually the busiest travel day. You know Collisions go up on thanksgiving. Drinking and driving is a huge cause of that on that boozy ones day. Whatever they're calling it blog allenstein blackout wednesday. Or you know drinks. Stay what you call it. Billy drink drink day. I don't know what i don't know you don't you. Wednesday wackadoo wednesday okay. I will be safe And i mean let's see crimes just rise in the holidays so much as what i was gonna say be. Everybody needs to just try to be as safe as possible with you. Know this pandemic that's going on when you're traveling and try not to gather to try not to travel to gather. There's always next year. There was if there was ever a time to not have arguments with your family. Because that's what happens. You know just like we always we always talk about in general murders happen Around people that know each other and a lot of times that that's family members. This could be a nice Reset where you're able to just not deal with each other. Eat some you know turkey at home orders a man and just not have that But unfortunately we are seeing a lot of people that are getting together. There was some wedding. Somebody had a wedding and like it was like a superspreader event with eighty-three people. That got it so picture from florida at a bar like this weekend and there had to have been four hundred people there without mass on. I'm still appalled at what is going on in this country. It's insane what What what kind of event was in florida that you saw. It was texas her florida bar. Florida bar yeah. It's we're never getting out of us and yeah this is the only this is the only excuse that anybody can really have to not have to if you don't wanna see your family because they're assholes is a great excuse not to do that and just chill at home and not be stressed windows. It's hard to say no some parents don't take no for an answer but you're really doing it for them like if you're listening to this podcast. I mean we have a listeners variety demographics but you know if your parents are still alive. Do them the favor. Even if they're pressuring you they'll get over it but just protect yourself protect them. Turn the car around right now. Next year will drive home for you know it and if we can rally together we can get out of the sooner or later. I hope so. It'll be thanksgiving miracle. I don't think it's going that way. So we'll see well. We got put the good time there. Yeah they're saying the vaccine will be out for the healthcare workers in december down to everybody else so next year might look normal. We'll see. I think you know what i'm crossing my fingers. That will look normal by summer and early fall. Yeah we'll see pixelbook right. Well we kill me love you guys beep beep hi everyone. This is gillian with court. Junkie court junkie is true crime podcast that covers court cases and criminal trials using audio clips interviews with people close to the cases. Court junkie is available on apple podcasts. And podcast one dot com when people asked us what kind of dog. Mafraq was always stumped. Now we know thanks to embark dog. dna test. He's a golden retriever. Mix with siberian husky. 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The Abduction of Katie Beers

The First Degree

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The Abduction of Katie Beers

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Yeah I agree degree close to I the first degree supposed to have any movies not we'll like we don't talk to strangers but like is your neighbor your stranger out of being i-it's like back then it just didn't seem as scary you know now. They have how to catch a Predator and realizing how many pedophile out there but it's almost like you're naive for the fact that is really could be anybody and somebody that you know is in your neighborhood that we have no idea hey guys welcomed. The first degree the true crime podcast that you might end up on my name is Jack Panic. I'm sitting across from Alexis linkletter and next to Billy Jensen Billy's right next to me on the couch again at all feels right. It feels right the recording at your apartment. Last week was really nice. I mean my apartment is just the new rule is on weekends. When we record we go to Jacqueline's and I really appreciate you guys? Appeasing me. I work you guys super late hours and they come to me as anti step really in writing outlines to they come to me. Thank you and I so appreciate it. Listen I drive an hour and a half across the city. Damn Pot yes if you look if you look at the difference between going from Santa Monica Medicare or wherever you live over to Hollywood you might think if you're living in middle Middle America wow it's ten miles. Oh it's fine yeah. It literally is three days really yeah Nicole. Don't people don't leave their neighborhoods. They don't except for Komo applied relationships and because of that I mean I'd rather date jared who lives six hours away than date somebody that lives in the valley dating me like professionally. We'll come here my professional girlfriend friend no we're. We're sick. We're like a family now. We are weird. We missed a lot you do miss jared what's charities on tour though so not like a love square we're like the love Parallelogram Yeah Romp Lever combat parallel to me too little slanty a little team. We're definitely not square. No how people knew people only new bill July seventeenth. What Day is it today? It's take your poet it to work day. What is that and I will say this? You know how a lot of people get voted <hes> class clown most likely to succeed. I was class poet Yeah Report Yeah but you've never read my my my poetry is is dark in email now from back then it was very what are the words dark and email was dark dark name texting over there posing a picture billion my instagram story. Oh that's sweet <hes> guess Islas most likely only to what at high school most likely to be seen at a concert really. I guess that make sense now did you. The one of the things that I learned is your dad was telling us when we were off. Mike last time is is that he took you when you convince them that you WanNa go on warped tour and follow warped tour around when you were eighteen and then he took you to Cleveland. I think it was was it Cleveland. CHICAGO WAS CLEVELAND IN KANSAS CITY Cleveland. Yeah I had just graduated high school. I literally went to my high school graduation and then I started work for the next day and he flew with me there to make sure that it wasn't like crazy which it was I and the people next me literally rent it out of school bus and it was like a bunch of traveling circus people basically and he just let me go what a guy bill was probably shaken boot now but but that's that's the thing about it with Daddy's. Is this like you have a kid with conviction. She's like I want to do this. I don't want to do any any this other stuff. I WanNa do this and you laid out your case and then you believe in your kid the end and if it all seems right and now now look you well. I also is a very good kid. My parents trusted me so I'm not going to weigh in on my own childhood right. Now we are talking about high school. I was nominated for best is is ooh. How'd you lose beautiful very very political farmer? The only reason why I think are even one the only reason why that category even existed data is because I was on yearbook and we made up the categories and I also I titled Or Yearbook Every Year and I put myself in the yearbook like fifty I literally was on your book to for this reason insane because you're creating history so now go look back in the yearbook. They're going to be wow general vanik. Don't most popular what I individual like. I put myself I put myself like when you yourself in the in the back. I'd I put myself on pages where like my hand. WHO's in a football page and I'd be like walking in the background of I would like talk myself now? There are people on my high school yearbook that were sneaking into group photo to pretend they were in clubs was pretty sure yeah. I did it too. I was very rambunctious. I was just like Smiley like that. I love it just in the ways that matter no no seriously so I mean people that's the thing if you become a killer or if you get killed yourself they're going to go to your yearbook and into look at that stuff all right well. That's enough of that so let's turn down the lights in turn up your anxiety because this could be Katie Beers is childhood. It was not a happy one having fallen into the clutches of a cast of selfish characters who stole her childhood however Katie wouldn't discover a hard life could really be until the eve of her tenth birthday when fate doubter another losing set of cards her disappearance an information about the people around her that was revealed during the investigation sent sickening sense of shock through the suburban treeline streets sheets of Suffolk County the date was December twenty eighth nineteen ninety-two the setting space plex and Smithtown New York Space Plex Family Entertainment Center take a special place for special events or individual family fun from the minute you enter our building your transformed into a magical world of fun that excitement. Everyone's that child at space place are experienced that but management team begin work worked long before you arrive to ensure that success they know that many of the thousands of people who have been entertained at the state of the art facility return again and again. There's so much to do no one ever gets tired of coming to space plans. Space Plex is perfect for schools camps leagues birthday parties but Raises Bar Mitzvahs and every organization looking for the ultimate infobahn at excitement it clean safe friendly environment as you could gather from that killer commercial space plex was an indoor amusement park in arcade in smithtown space blacks. There were actually bumper cars inside there were rides. There were flashing lights everywhere. It was meant to sort of try to transport you into this wonderful world of gaming with video games and rides right at Belli's alley at four thirty P._M.. On December Twenty Eighth Nineteen ninety-two space plex employees were approached by a worried man named John Esposito. He was frantic because he had lost track of the child he would have been entrusted with a little girl named Katie. The employees jumped on board and helped John Search for Katie but she was still missing after an hour. They called her loudly over the intercom. There is no sign of her and the dark indoor amusement park. After hours of searching. Mr Esposito was in tears when he reported kiedis disappearance it was Katie's tenth birthday and he had explained how he had taken her to a toys R. US to buy a video game for president a slurpee at seven eleven and then to space plex the afternoon so massive search went under way behind space plex the indoor amusement park and Smithtown New York their one hundred recruits from this police academy joined by fifteen additional officers searching route twenty five near space packs so the police who aren't participating in the physical search for Katie they start digging into Katie's life and her family and and the supervision she was on on the day that she went missing and the big question is who is this John Esposito and how do the end up with Katie that day esposito was a 43-year-old bachelor from bayshore and a friend of Maryland Beers who was Katie's mother and the Beers family met Esposito about ten years prior when a daughter of one of their friends married Mr Esposito brother Patrick then when Katie's brother John John was about eight or nine back then he would actually spend time with Esposito and he would take him away for the day or for weekend outings and Maryland actually believed that Esposito was a good kind of father figure her for her son to the horror of Katie's family only hours after hearing the news that Katy disappeared from space plaques a new message appeared on the answering machine. The call came in some time after five pen on the very same day Katie had vanished in the voice was believed to be that Katy and they actually weren't sure at the time if the message was actually left by Katie or if someone recorded voice and then played laid-back into a phone receiver therefore leaving the message on her behalf in some other way and the message essentially said that she'd been abducted by a man with a knife in the message ended with Oh my God here he comes us and she sounded to be screaming and sobbing in this message so that you know you can't imagine what the family is thinking upon hearing this but yeah the police luckily were quickly able to locate the actual phone booth that was used and they determined that it had been someone who had played a tape recorder into the phone I was I was going to say the reason that they figured out that it was like taped message or a big reason was there was zero noise behind her voice so couldn't have been at a payphone when there's cars driving by people around or would have been like we more noisy so seemed way to focus to have been from where it was actually from from got. It got it interesting so the police officer who may this determination ultimately said you know she was in our opinion coursed to make that recording so as the police started to dig in a media firestorm ensued food a description of the little girl was blasted across Long Island News Media Catherine Katie Beer was born on December thirtieth nineteen eighty two out of south side hospital and Bayshore Long Island she was blonde forty pounds and was to celebrate her tenth birthday two days after her disappearance and the day after Katie disappeared from Space Plex John showed a Christmas card during the news segment it was a card that she had sent to him and in a childlike handwriting below a printed verse on the card where the words thanks for being like a big brother to me so the investigation revealed that Katie had a an unconventional homelife her mother Maryland was a single mother and a cab driver who struggled to make ends meet and had a hard time caring for Katie and for her older son John who was six years older and Maryland wasn't exactly sure who Katie's father was months after Katie was born Maryland picked up a woman inner cab named Linda in in killer and she and her husband's Sal soon became part of beers sort of extended family and by age four it was reported that Katy would wander through the neighborhood barefoot so it starts getting really unconventional because you have this sort of you know these kind of friends who were caretakers of her and by first grade she could actually be seen hanging out in the streets with no supervision on school days so by age page eight Katie had actually moved in with her godmother and her husband Sal fulltime and she had her own room with a lot of stuffed animals and a one hundred one Dalmatians comforter but it was interesting she would do things for the adults like their laundry and people would see her around town and they were concerned about her. I mean it seemed that she was kind of living off of free food and coffee at the cute t laundromat which is where she was doing laundry Andrea of her caretakers and she would make the runs to the stationery store for potato chips candy and she was buying cigarettes for Linda and Sal who are essentially her godparents again at eight years old well right and I know also that <hes> I read read the kids at school. You know caller like cockroach kid. I mean she looked unkempt. People were worried about our shoes walking around on the sidewalk barefoot her nails. I heard were like black last. She was just not being cared for for a little girl. You don't know how to you don't know you don't know hygiene at eight literally child right so like I said the neighbors were becoming concerned and considered calling child protective services. I actually did call in reported not only that she was absent all the time but also that they just noticing glaring glaring signs of neglect but nothing was ever done and so even though Oh Katie was under Linda and sales care they entrusted Katie with John Esposito too because he was a family friend of Maryland's and they had known each other a long time you know such was the case on the day Katie Vanish from space plex and it looks like kind of the thing where it's like. We're not caring for that much. Yeah you WanNa take her in tickers. Something Fun sure I mean why would we stop you. Meanwhile police were slowly piecing together a timeline for the day that katy witnessing they found out that Katie had been last seen by someone other than John at the seven eleven and Beige for four hours before she was reported missing by him. This is exciting that they're able to corroborate when Katie was recorded on video camera and the store accompanied by John but before the Stop at seven eleven he said he'd taken her to a toys R. US and bought her a troll doll so the detectives have questioned Mr Esposito for more than eighteen hours after he reported Katie missing because although they initially gave him the benefit of the doubt out after chaotic fury of the search for Katie. They started to learn some alarming things about his past. If you're constantly on the go like I am you know that it's very very hard to try to keep a healthy lifestyle and that's why I love one of our new sponsors sun basket with some basket. There's something for every healthy journey and every busy lifestyle it's super easy to use them to achieve your kind of healthy and with delicious meal plans plans like Paleo carb conscious gluten free Mediterranean diabetes friendly and Vegan. 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I knew a family and that house because his brother owned <hes> carpet store in town on hand actually purchased my birth for my parents purchase my first carpet for my I own bedroom <hes> from their carpets door. I remember <hes> so the Front House I remember member. <hes> had these two columns down the sprint there was brisk on if you're facing on the left side there is brick and then a couple of step from the doorway of these two big white columns and then he had <hes> the lion statues in the front of the House and I always thought like they must be for Murphy family you know it was almost legal and away and and not knowing them and not ever really seen an out about working on the or anything anything like that that they see like they were these wealthy an actual people but I always remember the lion statues in front of the house <hes> and thinking that the house is pretty cool. I also was nine years old as <hes> <hes> we were pretty similar in age in nineteen seventy seven John Esposito had been arrested for abducting a twelve year old boy at the Massapequa Mall he had smashed a little boy while falsely Louis claiming to be part of a big brother slash big sister kind of a program he eventually pleaded guilty to reduce charge of unlawful imprisonment involving the sexual abuse of the little boy who had forcibly taken from the mall. The case file was ultimately sealed to protect the identity of the twelve year old victim and after the police found out this information he immediately became a suspect and Katie's disappearance. Yeah obviously my gosh so scared while it's so creepy ed she's kind of predators well and also I had read that John Esposito had I think it was after this had all happened. He tried to actually join a big brother program just to be around little kids and was obviously denied. Right you know he was accused of trying to snatch from the mall which I'm sure it was the mall that wound up working out when I was sixteen years old <hes> but even back then you know there's not the media to find information about people and the Internet didn't exist so I don't. I don't even know if we knew that he was accused of trying to snatch a boy <hes> so like I think we you know we locked down down to the bus stop every day his house you know we're never really worried are concerned or to think about being careful around there because it was you know maybe it could have happened for us. This is a neighbor of art you know he lived literally three houses down through me. Don't talk to strangers but like is your neighbor your stranger in out as being naive like the back then it just didn't seem as scary now that they have how how to catch a Predator and realizing how many set of files are out there but it's like you're naive to the fact that is really could be anybody. Somebody that you know is in your neighborhood at least ten year so given information about John That has learned about this incident. Involving the bureau boy the police understandably had there is on him in the beginning of the investigation and believe before the new story broke about missing child <hes> we have to walk down the whole block and pass that Zito's house to get to my bathroom. I lived on <hes> one corner of Rock'n avenue and our bus was on the next corner and so we had to walk to cool my sister and you know our next door neighbor and across the sheet neighbor and we noticed a car were sitting outside literally across the street from my house and there were too many sitting in the car for several days and and so we start parents and he said something feared like these guys that he cards in the last couple of days and he actually got nervous so my mom started being down the street so but these were undercover officers watching the home of John Esposito so in addition to the red flags in his past security cameras also disclosed that John had actually entered space plex by himself off Katie had not been seen in the security footage entering with him and I have to say as a result of this negative publicity space plex really suffered my God and the irony there is that it was a very safe place as for kids I mean they had security guards every door in bed surveillance video and it's just like you know sucked because Katie was never even there and this does this whole thing was like she was abducted from space plaques lax and it's like she was their space books anymore really dangerous place to go exactly but it wasn't long before police would soon learn that there was more than one Predator that was in Katie's orbit in this case. You know they're thinking obviously it's John would not be as open shut as they initially hoped it would be so in begs more questions if John was responsible where was Katie you know like doc what could have happened between the stop for a slurpee at seven eleven and their arrival at space plex which was not very long between the two so the after mentioned complications in terms of a suspect we're revealed when family and friends told police about a long running custody dispute between Katie's mother Maryland in Sal and Linda so remember Linda is Katie's Godmother and sal is has hurt Linda's husband so the custody fight included accusations by Maryland that sal had actually sexually abused Katie and Sao was thirty nine and he'd actually been charged with this. The previous October charged with sexually abusing Katie after mother Maryland Beers filed a complaint with the Suffolk County Police Department Sex Crimes Unit based on these accusations but that case file what was hampered due to return calls from Katie's family members wants the police did start to pursue action so the accusation was made like I said by Katie's mom but was denied denied denied denied by sal who claimed that the reason was making these accusations was because of this bitter fight over custody of Katie and basically after these allegations were made by Maryland Katie actually moved back in with her mother Maryland her grandmother and her brother John but this is not like an idyllic homecoming because you know on January third nineteen ninety-three police documents revealed that John was actually arrested for attacking his mother Maryland and punching hunching are several times after an argument in when the police did arrive his mother was holding him down so chaotic household yes chaotic to say the least yes so the investigation at this the point is completely entangled inside Katie's ties to these two troubling families and the two men close to Katie the husband ever godmother and the family friend who is the last person to have seen her they they have both been accused of sexually abusing child although it should be mentioned that John Esposito's role as the obvious number one suspect faded somewhat when they learned that sal and gallery had been accused of sexually abusing Katie in October so she's she is in the the worst situation possible disgusting. 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Jack was talking to me earlier when we were doing research about how could happen that so many people could notice that something was wrong and not do anything in what I mean we reference actually this in a really sick way. We were talking about the final episode of Seinfeld's where Elaine Lane Kramer George and Jerry C._A.. Guy Being harassed on the road and they kind of mock him and they don't do anything because they assume somebody else well yeah. It's a little worse than that and that episode but I think we can all understand this idea that like if you hear someone screaming aiming outside in a lot of people are like Oh my God. Did you hear about you think someone else is going to the kitty. Kitty genevieve's case where where they said it was thirty eight people who heard it wasn't exactly thirty eight but you know who would pick up the phone and who would run down there when the hurt somebody in this apartment complex screaming for help you know the Seinfeld episode was trying to show how many people there though I of course yeah and then really but you know it's considered the bad finale but if you think of it this way I loved it too if you think of it as they die in the plane crash because it was a plane crash a plane going down if they die and then that's actually them trying to the they're you're getting into heaven. They're trying to get into heaven and this is this is their purgatory and they have all these people come forward and say how horrible they are. You think of it that way actually like the episode it's kind of like then that kind of makes it lost. I didn't interpreted it like that in either. They went to jail L. A. Year anyways. It's like the bystanders syndrome where it's like you if there is so many other people around you're just GonNa assume that somebody else is GonNa take responsibility for something. Especially the abuses that obvious obviously it was noticing that Katie was being neglected or abused and there are so many obvious signs so surely somebody else would say something like family member someone you saw the because I was home from college at the time because it was December ninety two and and you would see her you know her her face on the cover of Newsday was going to cover the newspapers and you see it and she just she had that sort of half smile of somebody that I mean you never wanna say that either WanNa projector say oh the person is scared or something like that but you could just tell there is something just not right and then you would see the people that were surrounded by her and you'd hear these interviews with this John esposito character and this sal guy and it just everything just felt wrong about one and then just the and and and troubling about the case and my dad I remember I mean this was this was it was everywhere and I just remember my dad just like watching this over and over again and you know as it was unfolding as the police police were were constantly doing tons of searches and all these different areas his chunks and the media and everything started camping outside on our flock and we were watching the news I remember being in living room <hes> they say something and my parents were watching the news and we saw a house three doors down upon so we recognize it and learns of the story and House thing I knew he was black thirsty in her days. After that are street was hacked wish onlookers I guess and just I mean Carta car traffic <hes> he has still get walked to the bus. Stop <hes> 'cause they're much traffic and filming people. It was almost scary. <hes> actually remember holding up signs one weekend that said <hes> keepdriving because this is chest but after that they did wind up blocking off our streets traffic so from the choose from my house I'm not corner so the next one of our that was they had <hes> sloughed off the seat and you could only the end and if you lived on that lock and you had <hes> so back in nineteen ninety three and when we were to have any I e so actually remember when j <hes> my sister had something after school and had take L._A.. Fun and she could not get back down our street though instead they had around jumping since the Negras yard and my parents being really that's <hes> it was just kind of crazy in that sense so the media coverage and bizarre revelations about Katie's life during a barrage of tips from the public to Suffolk County police were inundated with calls from people across the country who said that they had seen little Katie around town. The search brought to lay a bulging case file file from the county's Bureau of Child Protective Services About Katie and raised all these new questions not only about Katie's life amid sickness squalor and alleged sex sexual abuse but also about her treatment by school in County officials who are responsible for protecting affecting our welfare. Why was nothing done when the school reported what they perceived to be abusive C._P._S. and did these negligent actions ultimately cost the life of this child so as far as the investigation suspects were concerned at this point point interest shifted back to John and it's meter when I think to was like that that craziness girl a little while and then after they I remember after they like blocked off the street to like at that point? It's not like nothing happening because now we didn't have the chaos of the media and the car coming through and at that it was just like a waiting game like you know we didn't know obviously what the peace doing they were searching and that kind of stuff but almost you know is frozen in time during that period interest did shift back to John once more when a disturbing and chilling admission was made by Katie's then sixteen year old brother John John confessed to his family but he had been sexually abused by John Esposito and there's little John Obviously in big John here child John and adult adult pedophile John so in fact the police eventually confirmed that they had investigated a complaint made by Maryland Beers a year prior that alleged that John Esposito had molested her son over a seven year period in which he spent weekends at their home so Katie's brother John's said that Mr Esposito sexually molested him but he declined to get further details and he said that I didn't really remember anything until loss December and he said that his memories memories of sexual abuse came back to him and he is being interviewed by police in connection with Katie's appearance and <hes> I did read that he seemed to be very like pulled into directions because while he was saying that he was sexually abused he was also saying that John Esposito was a friend and he didn't want anything like bad to happen to him so he was kind of being pulled in these two like very common law rising directions what happens when your your dad is a criminal or something. It's like yeah <hes> you get so torn and he was such a big brother father figures so it's like you don't want to look at somebody probably in that bad of a light even if they're doing terrible though and they they've groomed you and you feel guilty in that's what a lot of pedophile zoo. It's like I could get in trouble. You want that like if you ever tell. We can't see each other anymore can travel my life will get ruined yeah. It's such manipulation bullshit so after Katie's brother came forward with the abuse allegations against Esposito Zito they had enough to search esposito's home and law enforcement go in to the house at Fourteen Sixteen Saxon Avenue and they spend two hours there on December thirty first. Obviously it's New Year's Eve sexually the day after Katie's tenth birthday and she's been missing now for four days they dig through piles of leaves and they say that they searched every drawer in every room. They tear the helm apart. There's no sign of the little little girl anywhere and things are looking more and more grim but the search did turn up a couple of things so the F._B._i.. Who is actually conducting the search they took samples of two stains in the home and they also discovered an instruction manual and it was an instruction manual for a new tape recorder which may be irrelevant but they were called the message left by Katie after see she vanished and they start thinking could the tape recorder? Have I've been related to that. They didn't know but it was something that was sticking in their head and obviously none of this you know the stain and the tape recorder nothing out there is a smoking gun and none of these things obviously sleeper Katie so they're still drawing a blank and they're still conducting multiple searches everywhere looking for this little girl throughout the duration of the investigation indicators disappearance John had steadfastly maintained his innocence and the hope that Katy would be found alive of course is dwindling with every passing day. I mean generally the rule. Is You get forty eight hours in with every day that passes the likelihood of you being found on forget unharmed alive dwindles drastically but the end of the mystery surrounding the ominous fate of Katie Beers be in two weeks after Katie disappeared when John esposito walked into his lawyer's office in announced. I've something to tell you I know where Katie is his lawyer Sydney Sivan said he immediately called the authorities and John Esposito went back to the House in the detectives were waiting when officer said we called her name at first and she didn't answer so there was some concern as to whether or not she was still alive with then out of nowhere she appeared a little forty pound doll. She looked a little frightened by all of us but she was so happy to be out turns out the John. esposito Kazuko had abducted Katie in held captive in an underground bunker. She may have even heard them searching for her. The first time they went to the house breaks my heart is the only thing I remember from her. Her rescue is that my grandfather who lived next door to us <hes> 'cause she was taken out <hes> an breed in the middle of the day so my parents at work and year school <hes> but my grandfather was home and he said he remembered her leaving in the Cakar and he was actually happy and raving people are in smiling and stuff so we kind of were like she's okay and almost miracle like just she was found <hes> she was not physically injured or anything like that are here so she's running through crazy traumatic experience but <hes> that she was happy to be out and she was D- I'm sure very thankful so they will most like a happy story at the end of her being found Alexa isn't the only one with breaking news make sure to hang around at the end of his podcast for the latest breaking headlines on the A._p.. News Minute Hello. I'm Brad Jenkins post the fired up podcast. We're fired up your joining us and that the whole point of the podcast we're going to have guests on to talk about the thing that they love the most. We picked the perfect I test Senator Cory Booker here. We Are Getting Jersey shore jokes every five minutes because look people who Staten Island. I didn't even live in Jersey. They gave us a bad name. fired up with Brad Jenkins new episodes weekly subscribe now on Apple podcasts and at podcast warm dot Com Katie was taken to the third police precinct and hop hog or she was questioned by detectives and examined by police physician and <hes> there was no initial word on what she told police and of course that information be very delicate. This is a newly turned ten year old girl so once Katie was in safety the police examine the home and the bunker that Katie had been held in for seventeen days the answer to the hiding place appeared to have been made deliberately difficult to get to there were shelves and a Stereo area system and a bar that all had to be removed by taking out the bolts then there was a carpet that had to be rolled back and finally there's a two hundred pounds slab of concrete covering a trap door the had to be moved decide. This then exposed a ladder leading. Leading to a tunnel that ended up at a locked door to Katie's little room that she was being held in this room six by seven feet and it was soundproof and no matter how loud Katie might have yelled for help. Nobody could have heard her in his house and inside the room. There is closed circuit television installed in the bunker she could here and see what was going on outside in John's house and he had installed a monitor in the room with a camera and the part of the main house. Here's if somebody he he was the mayor to that family you know he took her to face plex and then <hes> smithtown on Long Island and you think he's taking her there for her birthday on the great birthday present and then all of a sudden shoes doesn't come home. I mean and he had the insane insane bunker like I don't you know cops were in the home and they were in that room where you would get to the bunker and they still had no idea so this was Tori premeditated unplanned. He builds it. <hes> couldn't find her an they found her alive. This is one of the craziest cases because the realization that Katie had been there during the first search with a closed-circuit television watching the people searching for her and not only that she's watching. She's ten years old. She scared as hell. She's watching these news reports on the T._v.. Set She knows that people looking for she knows that they're searching for her in the woods and all these places then she actually sees them in the house. I'm sure she's screaming but the bunker that this guy made was so hidden the police said I remember them sent. They would never have found it never if if he didn't give it up and you know there was also even though it was incredibly soundproof a bunch of heavy rain and snow had fallen end so the little sell that she didn't she was in was like all damp and frozen that was just a miserable place and I remember so. We don't want to give this up earlier but while my dad was watching TV every day he would see this guy and he would say this guy knows us and he I remember my dad's saying that this guy knows <hes> my parents actually told me when they first <hes> moved into the area <hes> they moved into our house in nineteen seventy eight and they had you narrow introduce themselves perform neighbors and they had gone for this Zito House and <hes> they said that you know his mama dancers a door and they were polite but almost not standoffish but they could just the by the they weren't interested in you know being friendly neighbors that will have barbecues and together <hes> and as they learned as they got a little bit <hes> workweeks with the neighborhood was that <hes> Um John was lately slower. <hes> you know probably like this learning disabilities or a little bit lower and it seems that two pairs was very protective of him and <hes> so we didn't he in out much much <hes> especially compared twin brother <hes> and then the brother that Rhonda both the carpet store there were more familiar with them and not really familiar with John <hes> and then when the parents died. Ah Is I think for knee kind of you know John was kind of not kept as much as they were or looked over by the parents and so he was a little bit more free to do what feeling I suppose you can stay my sisters. <hes> current boyfriend went to high school with John and it didn't hang out with him or anything. He wasn't super familiar with him. I think he said you're in a little bit as runner. It was a bit on the side so John Esposito is arrested arraigned. He's ordered held on five hundred thousand dollars cash bond so when John Esposito was arraigned arraigned it included in eleven count indictment handed out by grand jury and upon these charges being handed down the judge basically doubled the five hundred thousand dollars bail that he was initially given give in in update to one point one million under thousand for each count. I'm just GONNA review a couple of these counts because I'm not going to bore you guys with all eleven. They're all equally heinous and disgusting. The I count <hes> alleged abducted and restrained the victim for a period of more than twelve hours of intent to violate or abuse or sexually second was kidnapping with intent to commit sexual abuse third kidnapping with intent to terrorize fourth four thirty six his intention was a subject Katie to sexual contact by forcible compulsion touching her vaginal area and buttocks so it goes on and on this is about a ten year old girl. We don't need to read them all but just so you get the picture in while he was standing for the judge he had his head Hung Lau in cops and he stood silently throughout the entire time and he was returned to the county jail and he was not able to make bail in that is where he stayed and he was also ordered to hell he held separate from the other prisoners and kept under twenty four hour suicide watch so his lawyer entered a plea of not guilty on all counts and it's worth mentioning that after Katie's Haiti's rescue police investigators dogs started searching the grounds of Katie's subterranean prison John esposito's house for signs of other missing children and basically the police said you know we're trying to find out if there were previous occupants because I mean you don't need to be a police officer to realize is that in seventy seven he was caught trying to snatch a twelve year old boy and if he hadn't been caught Lord knows I would have done <hes> then he was opportunistically molesting Katie's older brother for seven years and now he's got Katie in Dungeon. I mean it would baffle me if you hadn't done it before right John Esposito in his house he also had is pretty much like a children's Disneyland. I guess there was a basketball court. There was a pool he had a front porch was just like a great place for kids to play and you know there are always children around and his house and the next door neighbor named Theresa Stone said that she often saw Mr Esposito who was never married with always around children and all these children's swam with him in the pool played basketball him in the yard and she just said <hes> that all the information was just very hard to believe. I do believe that a couple of the children from the House across the street from him <hes> did hang out because he had he lives in behind the main house and like a garage Josh convert an apartment <hes> with lots of video games and kind of kid pay teams <hes> so I do know that <hes> there were some boys from the neighborhood that hung out there but <hes> my sister's an IRA never <hes> <music> forever hung out there so how exactly was John Esposito able to pull this thing off now remember. He's a general contractor so he had the skills to transform transformed the garage into this bungalow in stealth mode yeah so he was a contractor and then <hes> the house had a a tall all like privacy fence from the driveway so you couldn't see much in the backyard but my dad did say when they interviewed neighbors after she was found and they kind of crushed in like you hear this bunker being the bill for and my dad does like overheard hammering and we heard you know construction but you know maybe they were working on offense or maybe he was building. I mean nobody was going to assume he was building a compared to capture a child in like that's not something you would report to because somebody building something in their backyard they were never any fines if anything suspicious going on in the back of their house even when he was those are hit back and you know the whole family really to themselves and his brother is twin brother and his wife read this front house before and I think he didn't even know what he was doing there and he would add a room here at a room there then add a second story and then finally about a year earlier he would add this the yellow carport in the back of it so this whole house was kind of like ramshackle unshackle but it was it was well built in a sense but there were windows and doors and several levels and several entrances and I'm sure it wasn't up to code now but an but this guy had the access is up to ninety three space blacks was not up to code and by the way I dance based black and already told you I texted you both been there before and I was like do you know that filed for bankruptcy in ninety six and be probably because nobody went after the Katie beer shown they're also in the mob and did organized crime stock fraud. They filed for chapter eleven and then space plex turned into a roller hockey arena and that was my home arena when I played professional roller hockey. There's no such thing as professional there is I got paid five hundred dollars a week pie professional special athlete I got the first penalty illeg history and Major League roller hockey history and I spent pretty much the rest of the season on the bench. I still got paid. It sounds like why all right. Let's get back to Esposito in this story so just because they have John. ESPOSITO and custody doesn't mean obviously that their investigation is over. They have a lot to try to piece together and figure out so so the investigators were continuing to peel back these layers that these layers of secrecy and by doing so they're confronted with elements of a story that some likened to fictional accounts in John Fouls owls novel the collector and in the Thomas Harris Bestseller and movie the silence of the lambs in fact an agent of the Federal Bureau of Investigations National Center for the analysis of violent crimes in Quantico Join Police investigators in Bayshore in an effort to study parallels to standard pedophile cases and you know a fictional f._B._i.. Behavioral Science Specialist Tracks a serial killer Emma silence of the lambs and in the collector a recluse and a butterfly fancy a and prisons of women in who love he covets and like I said this about the Rifkin episode these pop culture references are like filters to make these things more palatable and it's like yeah. It's the horrors. Katie experienced experienced in her childhood. You know there should be no. There's no filter on it. I mean it's it's deplorable. You know <hes> but that's what people were saying in the media back then so if you're listening to this podcast you obviously are a fan of true crime so you obviously listen to and probably watch a lot of things about murder and other various scary things but when it comes to the comfort of your own home you WanNa feel safe and secure and that's why we we love one of our sponsors A._D._T.. So A._D._T.. You can get all the latest innovation in Smart Home Security combined with twenty four seven monitoring from one of the smartest most trusted names in home security. They have a team of professionals designing and installing a secure smart home just for you eighteen thousand employees safeguarding you with connection to first responders and they're the nation's number one smart home security provider. 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He said that it would was going to turn up a conviction so Esposito said all right while you're gonNA do a background. Check on me but just to let you know it's going to turn up this conviction a one thousand nine hundred seventy eight abduction case and we are the abduction happened in seventy seven the he pled to Lesser Charleston Seventy and he said that <hes> that it was actually carried out by his twin brother and his twin brother was using his name's. WHO's like it's not me? It's the twin brother and remember one of the big things and crime. It's never twins so <hes> Friedman said we became suspicious rightfully so and then rejected him then in nineteen ninety bayshore resident call the big brothers organization and said that they had taken a flyer posted a supermarket by Mr Esposito and here's what the flyers said so Esposito actually went to a supermarket and posted. I'm a long island big brother. If you you have a son who you think needs a man's influence I may be able to volunteer my time. Everybody needs a man in his life and he said he had been abroad big brother for more than ten years and had quote character references and Friedman reported reported this to the police Esposito actually advertised again in the penny saver bold bald the penny saver such a public your lie. It's one thing that flyer you could be like no awesome me up like to put it in a newspaper. Remember though he's doing this in the late eighties early ninety s what's what's not around though yeah the Internet's not around yeah he would be all over the Internet. Now you know this is a guy that would be we end up on to catch a predator. He's worse so then in December he would have killed Katie. I really believe that eventually eventually yeah because that's usually what happens you thank you do either right yeah you spice seven room yeah or you died from neglect or potentially what he was waiting for was for able maybe escape with her but <hes> yeah I mean what they did was. They just sat out there. It was a waiting game it was they they they just leaned on him so hard that he eventually broke and they knew they knew what they were doing. They had no idea that she was going to be in the house. They thought I I think they thought she was dead. This data wants to know where she was and we're her body was right so it's American we found out that she was alive. This was a big it would like like you said it was considered a miracle funny at people talked about it as it was growing up because we keep saying that like it was Susan Smith. I went to Smithtown high school so I'm from here but I was seven in ninety two. I was eight ninety three. This was so I was her age. You know this is not something I was privy to until it was older. This was uh-huh. Did they use this as a warning. Did your parents like no see that's my dad would always do that like the John Pious case with the yeah with the kid who who <hes> what they thought was that he was going to knock on some kids heads for stealing a bike and they killed them by shoving rocks down his throat and my dad by member him telling me you know don't tell on on kids. Don't don't don't put yourself in that situation because of that so every story the the the I mean 'cause that was at a high school. That was an elementary school out my in my school district Dogwood elementary is behind it as where it happened and it was like our neighboring elementary school and it's like it's a story everybody knows and it's like one of those town urban legends you know but it is so much worse than that yeah yeah. That's the truth of that story I mean is yeah and then so we had that story and then we also had the rookie casio stuff from northport which is also on the north of Long Island which was the satanic quote unquote. Satanic murders turns out it was L._S._D.. Think bad but <hes> you know long island was a messed up place. This long island is Long Island was what Florida is today is still messed up and that's for another time okay that was a very cute long island nostalgic tangent but like let's get back act this big brother thing and because there was even more like everybody was sort of on him as far as big brother facade so there are actually been a time that Merlin Beers had contacted Mr Friedman with the brothers and sisters with concerns about out John Esposito the in December of ninety-one Maryland Beers contacted Friedman saying that Esposito had been involved with her son for about seven years and asking if he was actually a registered big brother and Friedman said I told her no he's not a big brother and he said he then referred the case over to the sex crimes unit of Suffo- county police but he was told that there's not much that they could do so. Let's get back to the hero and the story Katie Beers after her rescue gifts were flowing in from across the country including money raggedy end-all stuffed bears school supplies close and bugs member actually is well. He did <hes> rush right our whole class. wrote letters can ears. Actually I have no idea if she's ever sounds like ours future. <hes> had everybody write letters to her telling her that you know you're sorry for what happened to her for in and you know that we're getting well and we were thinking her in that kind of stuff and people were Kinda wondering what she was going to do because she was essentially famous for having survived her whole ordeal and and people were offering her up to two hundred fifty thousand dollars for a story producer started coming out of the woodwork promising to make movies and that's whether she was involved or not and I can't even imagine being in our position after being so traumatized and the having people trying to either throw money at you or make money off of you know in the lawyer who represented Amy Fisher in the Joey Mary Jo Buttafuoco case his name's Air Nyberg Yeah he was approaching. Katie like all all look after her for free like I'll liaison these deals. It's like this is a ten year old child who has just been like you know. She's not trying to get the entertainment industry. No she needs to heal man just needs to heal and this is this is actually a perfect opportunity. Jack and I were talking about this before these psychics in this case Jack. Why don't you get into that a little bit so there were I think there are four different local psychics that offered up their services for? For Free One of them ended up working with Linda who was Katie's got mother and then they ended up finding this note. That basically said that Linda was like he's favorite person in the world so that I sure like very really good off the timing yeah <hes> and then so Maryland ended up hiring her own second so it was like these psychics that were like against each other trying to find INFO and Maryland psychic basically said while all this was going down and there was no no real info out other than like John Zito was a suspect he was like you know. Katie is for sure with John being held underground behind a red door. That's what he said and then he and that she's alive and that she's alive and that the phone call was made from a phone booth that was like right behind space blocks so then when all this information came out he was pretty much like ninety percent right about all the information minus there was no red door and then there was no or the location of the work she called a little bit different yeah but so when this happened then once she was rescued. The psychic guy was like writing these hotels he did like people magazine shoot in front of John Esposito's house house because he was almost almost fully right. We'd like most fully right it is just went out on a limb people. She'd okay so to be clear. She'd been missing for almost two weeks so when that that's the case your expectations are really low as far as the news. You're going to get about whether the child has survived so it's like a long shot to sickly the I mean I don't believe in psychics at all. I think they really do prey on on people that are in. I need a psychics always it's usually missing persons story so come out of the woodwork with person stories. I've worked on missing persons cases when people have come like Oh. I'm going to work with the psyche. I'm pleased L.. It's not gonNA work you know. Suffolk County had never really dealt with this before where they had to take a minor into custody and they were sort of <hes> tasked with like protecting her from the media firestorm in from predators in a whole new respect which <unk> are after her for money. You're you know her life story or her life rights and it's just something they weren't ever having to deal with so the family court judge in this case actually assigned property guardian to her <hes> in they they were going to be tasked with anything having to do with her. Money and Katie was initially placed in a foster care home and for three weeks after she's placed in the home she was loud visitation by her mother Maryland to kind of like see how it would go yeah <hes> like let's see if this woman helps her or hurts her because this is actually good time to talk about this because Marilyn was fighting for Katie back in like she she gave Katie up and was letting her live with this couple but you know she did report. I think you're molesting my daughter about Sal Linda's husband she did report. I think John is being molested by this guy to by John Esposito she goes to the big brothers and sisters. Hey I think this guy is missing. My son like she wasn't least listen. I think she's neglect fall. I think she's probably not well and I don't have any information to say whether she was or not but I do think she loved them. I think she's troubled. Yeah and I think that it's very easy to say this mother. Just just put them out there as chum for the sharks but where is she going to go and she needed help. She's a single mother. She said she at least was like you know reported when she had suspicions about Sal reported call Toco big brothers view is this one hundred percent negligence wasn't like I don't give damn she was like you know but this is. This is the thing about like impoverished women. They have so few resources to even like protective families in that like how do you stop your kids from getting into drugs dogs and getting into crime if you don't if you're working six jobs yeah to keep a roof over the head but then you're not there to supervise. It's a real difficult situation and this is this is where they were constantly talking about her in all the followups ups about this case Katie Beers the phrase that was consistently used is she fell through the cracks. She fell through the cracks of the system because the system because when when you're in that situation situation when you have a mother that is not doing well and then you have the sharks that are coming in like these family friends quote unquote that are that are taking into these kids that is when the system that is when the government that is when you know the the caretakers is supposed to come in and help and she just fell through the cracks. I never thought about the fact that we're you choose to live directly affects pretty much all the other aspects in your life I know when I moved into my new apartment. It was like a weight was lifted off my shoulders and I was like a new person and I found my apartment through apartments dot com so apartments dot com has the most listings which means you have the most apartments townhomes condos or houses to choose from to unlock your full potential to be the best version of yourself. 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She walked around the streets barefoot but she went to school consistently and she was regimented and that they had her do little healthy chores around the house to feel like part of the family and make her feel will like she had purpose and things that kids need and you don't even realize how important these things are when you're growing up and more importantly than anything though they really shielded her from the horribly intense media interest in Katie the and remember she's ten like you see what like tons of fame can do a sixteen year older like this can be really damaging completely did not indulge any of that which is probably the best thing that could have done for her and she grew up and she got older and she went to high school and she played volleyball East Hampton high participated in drama in went to college in Pennsylvania and there she earned a degree and Meta man who would become her husband and you you know it's you know with a little <hes> stability I mean she probably never would have had that and if she'd stayed in world situation she actually said that. This event saved her life. So Katie survived grew up and twenty years later she wrote a book she said in an interview that she spent time reflecting on her life and decided to call the memoir buried memories. She doesn't have the contact with her biological mother brother but maintains a close relationship with her foster parents siblings in East Hampton she wrote that she'd been molested and raped by sal her godmother's husband from the time that she was a toddler she also wrote the Esposito Zito had raped her on the dungeon and she explained that she repressed memory of the sexual assault for many years as a defense mechanism so she was also talking about how <hes> like. She's trying all these different tactics with John when she was trying to escape and one of the things was she said that she would run super far away and should never tell the police about him and she would say that she just ran away to escape the abuse and he kept telling her how he wanted to keep her and he wanted to have kids with her and he wanted to have this life with her but she basically said to try to get out of it in an impersonal way that by the time I'm able to have kids. You won't be able to have kids anymore so he wouldn't be mad at her yeah but so for a ten year old old survival mode man but adults world though she she knew how to survive she was walking around as a as a first grader she knew how to survive. She'd been praying on before you bright when you're there are more like sex offenders and child abusers out there that we realize and they're just waiting for on chaperoned child barefoot to be walking down the street like I'm sure she's averted many a situation given what we've been told about her her bright and I'm not trying to make assumptions just like you know a lot of a lot of abusers are opportunistic as is what we saw with Esposito in the Massapequa Mall when he snatch a twelve year olds you know like they are opportunistic and she was along a lot right. Kitty also wrote that during her time the dungeon she rarely slept Jack and we're talking about this because she was afraid not only that he would abuse her from when she was asleep but she was afraid that he would take a picture of her where she looked like she was dead and then send it to the police and then they would stop looking for her right like that's what you read too right Jack Yeah well. I think that he told her that he wanted to take a picture of her looking like she was asleep and she was like absolutely not so anytime that he would give her food dot wasn't in its prepackaged package. She refused Ito and just put it aside because she knew that it could be drugged or she did. She can tranquilized or whatever or poisoned right and so this I have to say as I was researching. I literally I was up really late. I was really tired but I started crying so she also wrote put about celebrating her tenth birthday as a prisoner and she was actually heard on audiotape after the police sees the scene and found a tape recorder in the Dungeon and and she had actually been singing happy birthday to herself into the tape recorder horrible and this is when she was turning ten years old and like the loneliness inferior. It's like the comfort you can give yourself must have just been like <hes> it really that really mess with me but today. She says she has no recollection of that but that was what was on the recorder so because I mean that's just you're in a place of such sadness of course you don't remember that because your brain is protecting. Can you right so while she was captive. This Monster Fed her junk food soda and to this day she's repulsed by chocolate after dinner mints because they were staple in captivity liberty and Esposito's home and she did have access to a small T._v.. As we've said multiple times and there was closed circuit cameras but she says she can no longer listen to Whitney Houston's version of I will always love you exit played incessantly on M._t._v. and V._H._1. On a loop while she was in the dungeon in that broke my heart too because that is a song I love like that is like one of the most like Impact Hull Yon like reverberating songs like if you're in love never in that I'm sure she's got a visceral horrible reaction to it as she should. That's that's a trigger. That's what it is. Oh so as far as the fate of Katie's abusers esposito pleaded guilty to kidnapping charges in exchange for fifteen years to a life sentence and sal didn't get off scot-free free either he ended up serving twelve years in prison for molesting Katie and he gets out in two thousand six but then he moves from his home at a Bachar Motel without notifying finding authorities and because a Megan's law the police track down in North Carolina and he's arrested again and then he dies in jail after he violates parole. What's interesting about that is I was reading more but he was just like I'm scared to be in suffolk like he got much media attention so sorry molest children yeah but that's what that's what happens like their targets and it's like but that's that's what she get? Sorry sorry don't do it and you add more than that Dick Bag Shitty Shitty it g who uses that Shit really new word Burger. Don't call me at show Biz baby working. We're trying to make that our new tagline but we don't. We never really know what so we ask Christina. I mean it's been many years since this incident occurred at down the street doors away from her home and we asked her if this has changed anything for her moving forward and how it's kind of affected her to this day I mean I don't know if there's any the other words I is a monster for somebody that could plan to use it to a child you know even if he has some mental and learning disabilities and needs to vent this vision like there. There's really no excuse easiest for what did he took you know <hes> she was in under the underground for seventeen days with no bathroom. They just unbelievable conditions and you know whether he I thought he was saving her from her life or not like that's not the way you to it as I've gotten older when I think about the situation I don't know if it consciously ever changed the way I officers or approach people universe it definitely while my nephew comes over <hes> we're constantly you know we check in a lot more aware when we were younger we got to we wrote our bikes after school and we played and we just came before guard right our parents nuclear in the neighborhood and we came back now I think we check on my nephew every fifteen or twenty minutes and make sure that we were they are who they're playing with and and that kind of thing so I think it has affected <hes> you know people a bit more than it would have. If we had an experience there so September of two thousand thirteen John US Zito's found dead unresponsive at prison in New York and at at the time of his death he appeared to be that suspicious and he was found hours after he appeared in front of the Prison Parole Board at the Sing Sing prison and he was denied all right so what it is Katie Beers doing now and we now she thrives in high school and as soon as she had I think some stability and structure in her life she was doing probably pretty fabulously but we can do know that she earned a degree in business she has job in insurance a husband who loves her two children and she lives in rural Pennsylvania and today it's been twenty six years since her abduction and subsequent rescue and I think she's a hero absolutely God yeah she's been through the ringer and she has really prevailed sorted. We learned today. I mean I think Katie Beers is the ultimate survivor absolutely they were leaning on this guy so hard. This guy had other victims. I'm sure how to the victim yeah yeah career other kids in the neighborhood. I mean other than those two like you. Just No. I mean it's hard to come forward now. I mean nineties like the chances are even slimmer eighties seventies when he started like people people look the other way. I feel like a lot more back in the day to where it was like all these different things that he was doing to try to get himself around kids to like. We're healer hearing about failed the test. All of our wholesome abducted in plain sight is a is a great example of that where it's like things. Were just a lot you just you hadn't heard via the like media circuses or the Internet that there's pedophile like people were still living in this time of innocence won't also it wasn't as weird as a single single middle-aged man to be hanging around kids that he wasn't related to like. I feel like that kind of stuff doesn't fly as much these days. It's weird now. We had that there was there is a couple of of coaches in <hes> junior high that would take four kids from junior high on on like cross country trip and it always was weird yeah which is what the Hell's going on here yeah and my dad was but that was like yeah. There's no frigging way her ever going on that. No on that no thank you to Christina our first degree guests and if you guys are one degree away from murderer other stranger-than-fiction in crime at please write US hello at the first degree podcast dot com or on Instagram at the first degree add Alexis linkletter at Bill Johnson at gigantic. Please join our first degree facebook group just search at the first degree on facebook. It's closed group. We're talking all all things true crime. It's been popping off and last but not lease go get yourself some first degree merch. We have lots of goodies yeah hired about one hundred dollars worth of merchants what we build you. If if you're lying we can look it up. 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LG QUICKIE: Howard Stern Loves Keltie

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LG QUICKIE: Howard Stern Loves Keltie

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Podcast one presents the lady gang the Hollywood girl policy with leading gang quickey. Here's Kelly Night Becca. Tobin Jack Them. Let's make this quick. Hello hello welcome to the lead again. Quickey have not done. I'm Becca Janson. Not You took a very long pause because you were screaming I shine. I'm so nervous what we could be talking about because Kelsey said guys can be on your phones. I'll opposite I have a shabby GONNA do one woman show. This is no no I well first of all. Don't give away the secrets. You can't be on your phones but like I'm GonNa give you a break the end. I'm GONNA this quickey is not pre produced and I need you to be into it but I'm sharing a little bit of a story and the story has a clip. I'm GONNA play and the clippers like four minutes long. It's GonNa take a little bit of time. Okay okay so I'm basically. This is an old clip that I didn't realize existed until just a few minutes ago. Basically we all know that last year I hosted the Thanksgiving Day parade. Yeah Okay in New York and I don't listen to Howard Stern religiously but I guess people do and Howard. No so I am God only for you guys hold on. Let me turn the sound up. Keep it for the most part family friendly but something always slips up on. Cbs This woman a Celtic night. Talking about the AFLAC duck float which by the way. That's another bullshit thing. 'cause that's a commercial exactly down down here in the freezing cold staring at a balloon commercial but anyway the AFLAC duck had flowed and she got all excited. She slipped up and said Al. Fuck that I'LL ALBUM. I'LL FUCK UP BY ALAN PARADE INNOVATION. Heart hybrid cold air balloon and then a self propelled vehicle is twenty feet wide and see voice that does announcers do given save. That is another skill over flag out better than that stupid doc could slip or commercial and on me. I'm standing here in the cold out. Let's start calling him the dog. She's right genius now. I gotta do that again. Is Awesome listening to her. Our brave get that excited about a shitty floats. Can't even get off the ground because it's too windy. No one's bothered to figure it out that every thanksgiving. It's GonNa be windy shows next year. It's going to be windy. We don't hey. We don't even know if the floats GonNa get off the ground. Hey who's that big duck Thanksgiving Day went on and on but I just Howard Stern? That girls genius is on my tombstone. Thank you is pretty. Epic cannot be your new bio instead of two time emmy award winning rose a genius Howard Stern. Okay I'll change it. That's actually great. It's okay I I mean I would die if Howard stern talk about me. I want to go on Howard stern so badly. So so anyway. I hear reaction to the video. Store started the episode. Yes it's also like you in a nutshell like really to make to make us like a pronunciation error but then have it be like the most offensive thing that you could possibly see in the moment you so good at your so again. It's just like what you alf talk. Okay two questions nobody else tach this other than Howard Stern yes Howard. Stern was the only one that that caused that at all. No Sean K then noticed like no one and then well. Here's the thing. I think I have surround myself. With yes-men I think at that point in my fame. Where because then I like started saying it to people like Oh my God I was on Howard Stern. I said off. I thought I heard that no way. Yeah and then and then what happened next was that I I was like I gotTa Get. This is my. This is my ticket to fame. I gotta get on Howard you have to get on. So I called Howard's people both. Hi Eight five. People call the people now like can you put on. She wants to talk about Al and then they were like we're not filming anymore. But I tell people I know out tomorrow I knew that excuse but I think when we go to work I think it would be really fun to go on who I would have died going Howard stern but he will not. How are you sure? If I play this clip he said Gena it would be so funny. It may be somebody listening can have like a real an actual like Weiner Howard and then I also have. There's a ton of cross over there. I don't think so either. My second question is did you not know that he called you out until right now from the Thanksgiving parade? I knew like it's recent very recent because this aired right after the Thanksgiving Pritam assume something happened where I think over Christmas or during the holidays he takes time off and he had pre recorded a bunch of like wrap up shows okay and so this came out like then and then. I just got the clip of it. Now sent it to you. My friend Kristen was like. Oh my God Howard. Stern's talking about you. That's a clip. And then I sent it to everyone at CBS. And I was like hey by the way like this exist like let you off. Boss for the parade was going to be like. Oh no and they were like. Oh my God that's amazing Like I was like Oh shit anyway. You can't swear on television giant. Find you guys like the way nobody caught it and nobody caught it and it was clear as day it was. It wasn't like you're waiting in the background of somebody else. Did you guys see the clip today about the woman who mispronounced? The officer's name. Her name was Deirdra. You're calling her out. And then dote was the how she passed away the officer and they were told about it on the news and listen to how the reporter pronounced her name. Okay no no and her face choose saying that was like a GNOME can doing wrong. Oh no no no no no because because TV loves to know. I mean listen. It's not funny that we're laughing because the subject matter is that someone died however I I love live TV. Not even near. What's so funny is that I have been in so many times Shane. And it just as bad and you have to really work at it. You have to put it in the prompter and like I did not because newscasters if you better easy. No it's not. It's not laziness easiness but I've been over to like all the other news channels and like when it's like local evening news like those bitches are reading an hour of copy or two hours a copy. They need to tell the King Day. No one's helping them. They're writing their story and then they're putting in the mega do also. There's also words that you read all the time that you're like I know how to pronounce that and then you try to say it out loud. This is not definitely do not know how he pronounced but I also love the Howard. Stern made such a good observation. It was like very Larry David of him like it's always getting mindy king. Hey how figure it out that? It's always windy on Thanksgiving always. It's New York City. It's freezing and it's windy like your ducks not gonna out on the ground. That's not the prayed has blown very high but it's been very cold. There's always a weather related thing. Obviously number we booked a weatherman Jewish. Oh we need someone to throw to so we can p throw up to the weatherman. So what's funny about this? This was the first year that it was so windy. We had to have a backup plan. If the if it was really the for the first time in like forty five years that they were like the balloons are not gonna fly like screwed. What are we GONNA do Broadway performance under Broadway? Show the balloon semester. No nobody would ever know. No you have to say. Well the balloons here's piers and glass. You wouldn't have even had to commentate you don't just. I would have commentated on the old wooden. They should just play your footage from last year. But they would play off from last year flying and I would give the stats like a new like as if it was new. Suck again this year. Probably not now not after we go on stirs you get paid extra for that if I swear the parade. Yes Oh sucks. You're not figure out what to do with that money missing this year now that I'm not concierge key it's like I mean. Is there a reason able two new? How does it feel to be a commoner Kelty? I honestly am dreading flies? I can't wait until we go to Delta and they roll out the red carpet for you. Are you like platinum something special? No it's just because they're nice because everybody gets treated like a first class passenger. I mean I don't know how nice I mean. I don't know how nice and airline can be but whatever it's the best it's the best of the worst outgrow all right. If you've been listening to the PODCAST for the last couple of weeks you heard about Kelsey and I trying this new trendy fast We were miserable. And that's why we're going to do something so crazy. Which is I don't know. Try eating real food and be healthy. So that's why we love Sun basket because no matter. 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Legalzoom were life means legal. The Lady I just like. Do you ever go to the when you were growing up absolutely not. I Hate Parade. What Fraser Pretty should I wait raid? I hate fireworks. I had a parade. I hit fireworks because it's so so into this works in praise or two separate snow. We gotta get ready for the fireworks. Get out get out. You're playing and we gotta get in a good spot for the fireworks. You should call Brenda. She's member at the country club near the great new from the Gulf of the fireworks. But we gotta get there early enough. They close off the streets for the fireworks. You're forty percent mouthing when I was saying. I think that I just gave you a full monologue in your laughing at what Azov you. I'm crying so forth. Anyone ever watch my face your face your are you coming code know crying. I thought it was a great monologue right again. I mean I. I knew people in my old apartment building in Hancock Park who would specifically ask for a certain apartment that looked over a golf course that had great fireworks on the Fourth of July. Like go yourself God. No it's weird weird basic people problems like I like a firework but I like you can watch fireworks from anywhere. You know a lot of planning. That goes into where you're going to be for fire. Also tell you something and I'm GonNa Throw my friends under the bus right now. My my best friend's Dwayne and Joe have a beautiful house over by the airport and they're always like fourth of July. She come over and see the fireworks bitch. Those fireworks are all the way downtown. I Neva Harpsichord. Like a Benach Euler. I need binoculars. They're like look you see all the fireworks they're at the beach unlike. Lax and those are in Venice like thirty miles from those tiny little. Is it even when they're in front of my face and I can feel the booming in my body. It's like great you know who's fireworks though will take me to a place does land. Well that's like they spend beyond so much money. No town near. They're not even in the park and I'm like Whoa. They do have a lot of glitter ones. You know that should expensive admiring glitter. No no yeah. It's like laser and then it goes. I love those. Those are have you drugs to appreciate a fireworks show. Why Do you hate parades? And have you ever been afraid Ben in it? I've been in a parade. Yeah I mean he to this point in my life I fame without being what. What was your career at the time that you were in a parade? What were you hired? Have you seen the May? The macy's Thanksgiving Day parade. It's all musical theater people off Broadway on Broadway. No but I've done like a million other light didn't do that parade. That's important prayed. She did that no because the year that I did. I did one. That was around that time of the year it was rock of ages and we played strippers. It's not exactly Thanksgiving friendly holidays. So I I out of all these things from either they think it is. I don't like a parade because I do not like crowds at all. The other crowds is not. And what are you watching like what it's like everyone here on mushrooms? And that's why it's magical 'cause I don't know I don't understand why it's so thrilling to see a parade of any sorts. Well I'll tell you I have been in a parade not as a Raka. No I was in the Turtle Lake Saskatchewan Was the parade called. Does it matter. I'll live long live long days. So there's along with three streets nearby. Lake cabin called live long Saskatchewan. What's live long streets and we had a parade and the surrounding lakes all came together and we had a parade float the dog days of summer. And all the kids and the dogs of Turtle Lake Evergreen acres where our houses don't break into it. We all went on the float that my dad's truck pulled with our dogs and also I was really excited because we got the side glitter. The you know the fancy like the glitter fence around the bottom my mom and I got to go to the BINGO supply store in Edmonton and pick that up. Oh holy staple gun. It sounds awful. Truly your own flow. I was like influence only made her in. Parades you guys. I was informed. Sound like a parade was I was twenty entries. I was in fourth grade and you could have told me that we were going to the Miss America pageant or I'm not sure me to provide swimsuit preparation hare-brained preparation lip gloss preparation. Like I'm throwing the candy to my my people on the streets of live long and like I have to make sure that I have enough candy and the right kinds and like you know. Take care of the dog the photo it was such a big deal so anyway live long days. What's up I'm missy forever all right. That's the end of this fever. Quickey we've ever had. 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Sun Basket Dot com slash. Liyang enter Promo Code Lady Yang at Checkout Sun basket dot com slash late again. Enter Promo Code Lady Gang at checkout thirty five dollars off your order podcast. One presents the lady gang the Hollywood girl policy with Lady Gang quickey. Here's Kelty night. Becca Tobin and Jack Vanik. Let's make this quick. Hello Hello Hello and welcome to the Lady Gang. I'm Becca Tobin here with Jack Panic and Kelsey night and we have a special guest with us today. Vova ver very excited to be here on a rainy Los Angeles Day to talk about fitness beauty. What we eat in a day what to what to do when we fall off the wagon. But let me introduce our special guest. Our guest today is all about wellness recovery and lifestyle her beautifully and I mean it's so good beautifully curated brand. We'll have you instantly wanting to know where she gets her hair done what filter she uses and what jeans. She's wearing and she's kind enough to share each week on the blonde fouls podcast exactly that. She owes a wide selection of amazing life guides including two cookbooks. A fashion got a very very very very handy Amazon store which is perfect for Jack because she loves soon Amazon Hall. So you have a hop on over there. We invited her to come on the pod today to give you all the inspiration and a nice motivational talk in the form of podcast for how you can be living your best self this month. Please welcome to the Lady Gang Lori. I feel like I'm GonNa be such a letdown. There's no way I mean you're everything about the brand is insane like branding. WanNa once or are you hands on. Do you have like a secret? Elf Behind the scenes. Like doing all this for you at this point. Yeah so I have people who do my website. I have people who do my instagram by podcast. Instagram graphics I have people who did like brand books for my for my podcast and for my personal instagram. But other than that. I've always been very particular. I know what I like. I know what colors I'm drawn to and so for some reason like it. Just always kind of cohesive But now I have a lot of people are like. Yeah because it's a little bit. Are you so happy I am terrified? We're terrified it's so weird like I. I don't know if you know my story but I got sober six years ago. Well congrats thank you. I was twenty eight years old. I had nothing like no car. No apartment no friends no money opposite money. I mean I was in so much debt my debt from now on opposite money so nice money is the opposite of money and I just I was like just starting over from scratch and I was so passionate about recovering the beginning so I was like this is what I wanna do. I WANNA help people. I went back to school to do counseling and At the same time like a couple of years into it I was like well. I want to get healthy too like especially when you get sober and you start eating again after your macy ated like you're just your body hold onto weight and I was like what is happening and so I was like well. Getting healthy means having abs so that was like the only. Yeah that was it. I hadn't I had been like a blackout since I was like twenty pretty much. It was really bad for a decade so I had no idea. Did your parents struggle with that or like. What do you think this is coming to? La I was no. I don't know what it was. I mean it started when I was in high school so there was just something I was talking on another podcast about this yesterday like there was something off and it was funny because like on the Outside. I had a lot of friends I was creative. I was smart like I had things going for me right and nobody could tell them anything was off but inside just always felt like I was just a little bit different from my peers. And I didn't know what it was until I find alcohol and I had that for strength and I was like Oh like I could breathe for the first time and I had consequences really early on. I was in treatment for the first time when I was nineteen or twenty I got a Dui almost hit a cop on like Oh my God. I was off to the races by the end of it. I was having nonstop seizures. Living alone in my apartment was found face down on my floor like it was just really bad. Oh my God so yes so. When I decided to get healthy I was like well ab ABS. Gray healthy healthy. People have apps that were bad and so I started an instagram account at the time for accountability. And that was how I came up with the blonde files. Because I didn't want anyone to know who I was. I didn't show my face I was posting my before pictures which is like Like yeah and those went everywhere. I mean now that you're out like that story when I was researching for you to come on the podcast like it's everywhere because you really you did the grind and you did gee I did. Bb where? That's how I started in my fitness journey to a good start. It's a good start so king hard to do it now. God I'm going to die doing yeah. I can't I call it jump till you die because I I mean it's true all it is like if you're gonNA lose weight and of course you're going to like tone up and whatever because you're killing yourself every single day But yeah so. I started the account at the same time. And then it just kind of took off and so talk to me about that transition because we are a few months into the year a lot of people already given up on their like. This is going to New Year new me. It's like well So you know what? What are your tips to Stang accountable? And also just this journey of of how long it took you 'cause it wasn't overnight and I think people always looking for that instant I feel like it's still kinda they want to jump to. They die like for one week and I got that added to like we want instant gratification. I think you know it kind of took me. That was in two thousand sixteen. I had to go through so many ups and downs. Like I'm the kind of person where things get really bad in order for me to like adopt and make different lifestyle changes so I was doing jump till I die until my body was like shutting down my hormones. I was counting macro so I wasn't eating enough and at the time I thought I was doing the right thing like I wasn't I didn't know But I had to change. I had to adopt because my body was like this is not this is not enough so what I would tell. People is to find something that they love you know and we don't necessarily always have to be doing the most like we don't have to exercise more and diet more and restrict more in order to like be quote unquote healthy or reach a certain aesthetic like now. I do pilates forty hours a week if that if I'm being honest and I go for like long walks with my dog and that's it My Body responded to that and I think you know you you just it's trial and error and find what you like and what your body responds response to and but there's no secret sauce for like staying motivated. It's just kind of getting in the habit of doing it. And overriding your brain. When it's telling you like sit on the couch and cookies I know which I do too. I also think like as a female. It me to get into my thirties torn moderation. Yeah so it's like. It's so overwhelming to start the fitness journey for me. Because I know I'm going to go so hard. So it's like getting yourself up to do that and like talking yourself into. It is so much work so intimidated. And it's intimidating so it's like you really gotta gear up for it. Where if I just like in my twenties would just be like today are going to do something. It's not gonna be the most and so it can be the least and I'm just now feeling that in my thirties like why does it take so long for us to figure. Also nobody tells you that you. I mean you're doing pilates and walking. That's so much better than nothing whereas like people think that they're either one hundred fifty percent in or they're up kind of thing. Yeah I was GONNA say that's another thing like I feel like we have this tendency to feel like we have to do it. All you have to do it all at once so like. I also tell people to just start with one thing. Start with one thing that's manageable even if it's like getting up ten minutes earlier and going for a walk or just doing something that you can fit into your life and like creating that habit and then adding something else onto it. Because if you're like I'm going to start counting crows and I'm going to not eat carbs and I'm GONNA train for a marathon and I'm GonNa do be BG like of course you're not going to be able to do that. It's not sustainable. And that if we fail we just stop and give up everything. So it's more like taking manageable steps I think. And what do you do when you get into those modes where you're like? You know it would be so fun is like netflixing and Oreos for like three days straight like. How do you get you we all do? I mean I'm I'm literally forty eight hours a from doing. This can't wait to have a chocolate covered. I don't like to your point. It's something that I had to learn and I did learn it after my early thirty S. I'm still in my early thirty s but something definitely changes and I just kind of learned that the more there's a quote the more you resist persists if I resist the net flicks and the Orioles I'm going to obsess over it and I'm GonNa instead of eating oreos. I'M GONNA eat ten different other things to try to fill the air one dollars cook. You know what I'm going to have this CARACALLA dollars worth of streets from Annie's bakery. I'm like at the annual. Kit gives me eat an Oreo Oreo. So well what I was younger. I was on like this like crazy health. I thought it was like a healthy check when I was going on. Like these juice cleanses all the time and then. I'd get so being hungry at the end of the day because I'd only eat drink like two juices that I'd eaten entire jar of almond butter and I'm like but I still think that's healthy. But it's three thousand calories so that's it's been just like it's inevitable. I did the same thing when I first started when I was doing. Bbc I was like okay. I'm going to eat like a banana for breakfast and I'm going to have a salad for lunch and a salad for dinner and then nine o'clock would roll around and I would like to pints of Halo top or not. Arctic zero likes raced because it's healthier like with quest bars broken up an aunt because it's protein. God it's crazy yeah. My friend gained like twenty pounds and she. I moved to La because she had those think than bars like. She'd eat them every time she would really mean girls. Yeah lawyers realized later that she just completely sabotage. I did the same thing so stupid. I know we are so So I wanted to talk to you about now that you're doing pilates but when you first join your journey a lot of the press pickup that you got was about you lifting these heavyweights and how awesome that is for your body. Can you talk about that because I think as women sometimes we fear lifting away? Because we're like. Oh we don't WanNa get bulky but like I know that my body since I started working with weights is better than it. I mean it's not great right now but it's like it better than it was when I was just like running for forty five yards. I mean that works for me. It's different for everyone but yeah I was gonNA say. I think it's different for everyone. Like genetics play a huge role in it. And I think it's something that these fitness influencers in quotes. Don't talk about and people will send me messages on Instagram and asked me like well. How do I what can I do for my legs to make them more like slim like yours? And I'm like that's that's genetics. All the family. I don't know I'm not a traitor. I don't know how to isolate and I don't think you can even really do that. Like make a certain thing thinner So that's a that's a big part of it and I think it comes back to you like trial and error. Find what works for you but yeah weights will absolutely not make you bulky Dud Lifting right exactly. Yeah I think it just have to play around with it and try. That was advice that I got from Joey. Kansallis who owns Barry's bootcamp? He was saying that all these businesses and like workout gyms that are like we can give you lean muscle. He's like it's actually like not a thing your muscles your muscle and like the shape of your muscles is shakier muscle. So it's like once I made that because I'm one of those girls who all I've ever wanted was like really skinny legs and once I was actually told by someone who knew that I could never ever ever have them. It was like liberating. Oh I can have the big boobs like well. He's like they're not they're not there. Change it like I guess I could get emaciated and like anorexic. But I don't even think at that point my legs would be the last to go. That's it yeah my stop and then my legs would so thin way. 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It's perfect for a Brunch It's perfect for. Dinner is perfect for any time. Because we're all living in our sweatpants nonstop now anyway We're so excited to remind you to pick this up the next time the grocery store or you're ordering in your groceries it's so delicious. Summer's coming. Bud Light Seltzer Yum yum yum. It is easy to drink and you can actually pick up a really cute variety pack. Which is going to give you each of the four flavors and they are so young deums so but let Seltzer. Cu soon when I drink you in about five minutes. The lady get all right. We're back with the realities here and we're going to talk the honest version of what we all eat in a day. Do you WanNa do good day or day. First let's do good day. Okay you start kick us off okay okay so lately I've been having. Why have a macho when I wake up of course thumb? Collagen and so. That's a lot of protein K and make yourself they make it myself. I'm like a mix or do you have the little certain. Are You doing a ceremony? I don't do the whole Sarah. Okay Macho ceremony like someone gave me so. I have the Macho and then I usually have a couple of eggs from avocados and Bacon. I've been really into Bacon lately. It's like fitness healthy. But yeah it's so good For lunch I'll usually do like salmon or check on some kind of vegetables. Oh I have a bulletproof bar after breakfast. That's like the highlight of my day. Which sounds really lame but it tastes like sugar cookie please. The Vanilla it's called. What is Vanilla Collagen Bar? It's insane it's so good Yeah do you pretty much follow the bulletproof stuff? Not just the bar just because it's like desert in the morning it's so good and I feel like because it says protein. I'm like Oh this is how break if I did that. My next thing will be a snickers fall down you've got you've got the taste of something. Sweet yes everything's sweet has protein in it. There's milk and chocolate right it. Okay so veggies and Salmon Fisher chicken or something something. Yeah usually I go to air one. Yeah in the afternoon and just hit up the hot bar and get a bunch of things hit that up and hit a bad heart bar and then at night I don't know I kind of go through phases. Sometimes I'll be like fish vegetables rice right now. I'm really into like Spaghetti Squash meatballs. I don't know And then I always have. Dessert always always always like you should see. I have a chocolate or at home and it's filled with like thing from Erawan. Really like they should pay me at this point. No kidding sponsor. Yeah for the blonde followed this like I mean I snack a lot. Yeah like one of those people where I have to eat every couple of hours and I used to be really rigid and now I'm not like I have certain restrictions because I realized that certain ingredients make me feel like shit and I went through a whole thing with like got health where I was like just to the point where I couldn't function I was exhausted all the time. I was nauseous. I was bloated. I thought it was hormones but it turned out to be like underlying stuff and so I- cut out gluten dairy doug at so much better so in. La It's so easy to avoid those try being in like the Minnesota airport and that it is impossible. Paul Minnesota get with the program middle of country. We live in such a bubble here. Do I hear myself talk and I'm like Like you grow up. I grew up in Rhode Island. Okay yeah they always have the prettiest beauty queens on miss. America makes it to the owner of New Hampshire. I was thinking Caitlin Carter. She's from New Hampshire. She'll you know but like I have a very similar very pretty blonde like you know. Olivia Kobo at island right. Or which message Massachusetts okay. I either way I think you're right. Yeah Becca what do you eat on a good day on a good day? I like to do fat. Intermittent fasting just response. Well for me so I'll do a coffee in the morning like either black or with all milk And then I will do for lunch. I like to have stuff like I like to do. A Little Mediterranean SORTA thing. We'll have some olives little Turkey slices and like some little Hamas so. I like to have a platter. I'm like most satisfied with that And then sometimes I'll put some Turkey in like a CNA Yes a little rap thing. It's so good with Avocado. I Love Avocado at lunch and dinner. I try to do like grilled salmon. I love shrimp so much. So we'll do that with like Broccoli's my favorite vegetable just like roast it I never took his girl. You have an air fire. No but everybody's saying that. I need to get it rockaway. Air Fight is like the really okay. I'm doing it some salt and oil of I'm doing it because everybody's saying that you can cause I thought about putting Oreos in there. Like Kristen. Bell does yeah but now I'm going to do it. Yeah Yeah So. That's pretty much all do like dark chocolate with like sea salt at night club. Close the day out the day honest. This isn't like what day it doesn't really have like a good or a terrible day. I'm Kinda like in the middle. Yeah but I- intermittent fasting only breakfast. Sold you a black coffee salad that they poke it. Have a big POOK gotta have my morning poop. I'll do a salad bar on a good day with grilled chicken And then for dinner like a Sushi or like a vegetable bowl nothing crazy. And then. What are those? Remember those peanut butter cups so we got. Oh my God that's what I would do a good day x Bar Desert. They make those dark chocolate peanut butter Qatar. So they're addictive on my day. I would eat yogurt with berries and honey. And what do you look disgust? Every time I see yogurt or a Parfait I think are you because I feel like yogurt really helps poop really. I don't know if that's true. Well it has. I don't do any other dairy except yogurt. That's all I do yogurt with like berries and honey and honeycomb and everything's sweet and then for lunch on a good day. If I'm being super good it would be like a salad with lots of different things in it like like celery pieces and those those little beans but they're not beans chick peas special right with a with a ranch. Okay then for dinner. As being good it would be like a fish in a vegetable and no desert and just T- and no diet cokes. Now we're going to switch over to our worst day on my worst day. Is I wakeup kick this offer. We show okay. Let's go let's go. She's on wondering okay I don't really now one hundred percent honest we will not judge you. This is a judgement free zone. So I wanNA know the dirty. I don't really have like. I don't really go that far on the other end because I think because I used to. I used to watch a bad bender and it just made me feel so shitty so now I just try to eat whatever I want like. If I'm craving a Burger and fries I'm GONNA eat a burger and fries maybe like see if I can find a healthier version But that way I really don't create stuff so let's see last week like some hormones have been all out of whack King Psycho and I've been eating everything in sight so last week. I had like meat balls at like seven. Am I love me? I'm Kito now whatever. So yeah I mean my main thing is like you mentioned Seattle. I will eat grain free Like brand so they have like a Tortilla chip. I have a family size in my car. Right now love. They're so good rap. Will they make all kinds of things? But they have like a Tortilla chip. It's grain free and they have like a lime flavor. It tastes like the real thing. Yeah it's And then they like a cassava or is it cassava. I don't know how to pronounce it. They have almond flour. Cashier flower basically grain free like tortillas and Tortilla chips and they have Ko Vegan case. Oh which I have not that good. I don't know how it's so good. It's Okay Okay. So is not on the list of your day. Have you ever eaten an entire ice cream cake by yourself in the bathtub? Here's the thing I understand what you're saying. Because because I indulge pretty regularly. I don't have full days of debauchery. I don't need them. You definitely do. Because it's like you. Withhold WITH HOLT. Hold and then you can explode and then you eat a whole ice cream cake. You're there's something about that icing. It's like no other sick. Plastic is definitely desert. Like I never had a sweet tooth until I got sober and I think that was a big thing and then my husband he has. He has the biggest sweet tooth. He could eat on his okay. I'll tell you my husband's bad. Yes so he wakes up on the weekend. He has a giant Muffin. That's like hovered. All the let me cover gig melt butter all over it. Some sugar then have another one in the afternoon. Good and then he'll go have like a burger and fries and then he'll do like a cheesy like huge pasta for dinner. My God I love. Then he'll do like some ice cream. I've seen him do like cake. Like full cake at night. Like he goes and has yeah. Main food group is sugar. I used to try to police it a little bit and then I was like this is not sexy at all so now I just hand immigrants in the morning and I'm like okay. I know it's like it's you. Can't you really someone has to want to get help themselves? Not BRING THIS BACK BAY. But you know it's like you ought to have your breakdown in your a problem. He doesn't think it's a problem. It's like my doctor says I'm great. I'm like okay. We'll see like yet. Nick looks awful inside. I'm sure my husband can do the same. Like he can pound sugar first thing in the morning in its of genetic like his data wake up and have like five Oreos or he'll have like a little debbie something every morning with coffee and I'll catch my husband like slipping into that if I have cookies at home. Hilly three with his coffee and not even think about it. I'm like did that. Feel weird for you because it's weird number. And he liked disappeared in the morning and I found him in this little cafe in the corner with ice. Oh this is like yeah. It's like a addiction. This happen to you too. I was dating a magician. It's almost the same star that way and we would like in this trailer. I was dating a magician and I was like trying to I was like you've gotta be healthy. You gotta be healthy like you gotta get on this House. I heard him sneak downstairs and I went to him and he was eating ice cream by shameful. God shame then. Don't go with it men's truck with it and they don't admit they struggle with it. Yeah that's true yeah. I can't believe I'm putting him on blast here. You realize everybody's the same thing too in Houston Data Baker. So he would have all of these pastries in his house and then like in the middle of the night at like four. Am He would go and like. Eat like five cupcake. My dream is to at some point in my life. Allow myself to wake up every single morning. And have something like that Muffin or I love sweet in the morning like a pastry in the morning. There's nothing about. I know like if I could just have one thing maybe I just need. It will start doing that for myself. Just that one muffin might set me up for six years. What's your worst day? Look at what it did for her husband. I mean maybe. That's the Kim secret. Just a Hollywood the Bekker's life in Hollywood so much better if she would just giant tomorrow. I'm trying yeah no see. I don't have I can't I also can't do a whole day of shitty eating okay. So you have a Shitty Day. No I have a shitty meal and then I sort of just like Am Good like I'm like okay. I'm satisfied I don't I don't have very little guilt. When I do that. I feel shittiest is in the holidays when I'm just grazing all day on bullshit like that's the worst thing ever is just eating a cookie after cookie like pasta. Because it's they're like that's the thing that I hate so it's like I don't do that ever anymore. I only have a really shitty day if I'm hung over because it's like isn't that like every day not anymore. I don't really have that many hangover days anymore. But it's like you don't feel bad for eating all the shitty foods for some reason a free pass it is a free pass so then Italy surviving. You're just trying to make it to the night soon. Fall Back Asleep and not feel shitty so my like a hangover day is drinking all day again. So I don't feel like I'm GONNA throw up. So it's like Moses and beer all day plus Brian with like a French toast and then also a hamburger and then also maybe like benedict but like I'm sharing and then amid afternoon ice cream and then like a shitty Shitty Sushi. Dinner Sugar Fish but like tempera cream cheese. Teriyaki Sauce Spicy Mayo. Young kind of thing. Yeah you guys are being losers all right a bad day for all the real people out there that what you do is on your normal. Let's talk about it. All right get up in the morning. Start the day off with a diet coke and Dunkin donuts. Manila wake up. Let me give a back story. So we love. Dunkin donuts jam because they have great coffee. I grew up on it so I know it's good so good so I used to coffee black when we go to New York for work a lot of the time we go to an office. That's like on the corner where there's a Dunkin donuts so you look really forward to our morning. Walk to pick up our Dunkin donuts disburse. Excuse me I normally go like the Jack route which is like a black coffee or with like a little bit of almond milk. But I felt like treating myself and I was like I'm GonNa go the Kelty route today so I got what she got. Which was an ICED CO almond milk? Vanilla Almond mccloud was on iced extra-large Vanilla with sweet vanilla. That's where you go because they have to Vanilla Dunkin with coconut and I was just like I'll do the same and the hand me my Mug. We our refillable mugs and I almost spit it out. It was straight to love to sugar. The greatest of All Time. The grossest melting sick. It's like nothing's starburst and like all milk together. It was the grossest thing I've ever had and I just I needed caffeine and I needed to wake up so I just had to drink it and I felt disgusting all that I was watching this show the other day and somebody got a coffee with ten milks and five sugars like route anyway. Happy I would have on a dream day to Boston creams from Dunkin donuts. One that I would eat in public one that I was shamefully in my car and pretend that I wasn't having it. Okay but I would have to okay then for lunch. I would eat a fat burger. Add CHEESE IMPOSSIBLE. Burger Skinny fries onion rings and another. Diet Coke and then for dinner. I would have a pasta as cheesy as you can make it. Hopefully I'm in New York and I'm in the little Italy and and I'm like and they come over with the giant cheese grater and they're like do you want extra cheese on your already recovered food. And I'm like yes. And they're like they're like best arm is falling off and I'm like I'm not done with the cheese. And then I would have a glass of wine and another entirely refillable diet coke with a garlic bread in olive oil with the with the SHUTT- like oil and while Salmon Vinaigrette thing and possibly Calamari fried and then for desert I would eat like a cheesecake or an ice cream and I have done this so familiar. Lenny's King Times. I have done that so many times by life. It is not a basically are her husband. Your pilots really. You should have a dinner party. One in the you guys can on your skin. Tempur made out of chickpea role. It's so good. I haven't looked family size of dinner party with her husband and I was like. Here's the appetizers giant played a crispy cream. I've really like you to like decide the menu at a dinner party. Yeah so I'm a bad person. Oh I forgot about a cheese plate. There's always an afternoon cheese play anyway. Okay well I'm embarrassed but if you're a Kelty then you know what I'm talking about but right now I'm super healthy and I am getting back on track for one hundred time in my life doing the most Anyway if you love this episode please go follow. Our guest are L. She is our L. Laurie on instagram. And everything is linked. I WanNa know how you do this. She has a link tree so in her profile. 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Dulc Sloan

"Hey guys did. Following podcast is a lady gang network and podcast one production which means it's gonna be awesome. It has been a long few months and we have binged a lots of television and movies and thank goodness. Peacock is here talpet out because peacock has hundreds of hit movies. Thousands of episodes of your favorites current shows timeless classics timely updates. You can get the peacock app and stream full episodes for free below deck. If you have a watch blow dak. You're really missing out. Christly knows best southern charm you can also upgrade to picot premium and get even more full episodes of the shows that you love you. Go watch keeping up with the credentials from the very start. That's gonna take you at least a week. Real housewives vanderpump rules top chef there so much it could not be a better time to get peacock than news. Streaming service from nbc universal with tons of movies current shows and timely updates. 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It's just looking back to back to back to bag. Boom boom boom. It's like stars are. It's because nobody has to come to us. I know everybody in their living rooms. It's so true. I feel like we're going to have to keep doing it this way however i feel like it's a blessing because we have gotten some real great people like real that i know would not have driven to. Cbs rodford an absolutely not gone up. Eighty five parking levels then this quarter of a mile and it was a pain in the ass for sure. Yeah for sure. I'm glad i'm so excited and we're here today. I know that so many of our american listeners will be waiting in line to vote and we are keeping you companies. Stay in line where where you're mass were listened to many late gangs. Is it takes before you can vote. And if he voted in mayland style exciting and we knew it was going to be really pretty crazy emotional day and so we wanted to just bring you some joy on the podcast. And we're gonna. We're gonna do that today. Yeah we dive in. It's time for good. We yes it is bad. We know who wants to kick it off. I'll go mike good week. Is that my nail. Salon has opened for outdoor lilia manicures. And i got my first real manicure in eight months and it is a game changer. Now i know. I've talked about the fact that i pick my cuticle as an anxious abet and it has gotten so bad during quarantine and the only way that i don't have mangled bleeding. Nail beds is a manicure so it was honestly a big high example high of the past nine months i saw outdoor nail salon by my house. It's doing them on like the little they've set up tables on the street. And i was like literally going to go today like i do really feel it in my soul that time but i also like so promise for saving so much money and now retired else. I'm sad so it's like. I don't know a balance my manicures the thing that i will always pay for what i've learned i'm not gonna ever pay for again is a spray tan because i do that myself for five cents. Yeah and it looks like garbage. Well they've all like garbage. But i'd rather have the garbage one that i've been pesach. It's like it's like poop or thirds color. Do you want to be. But which one are you paying eighty dollars for. You know just do returns. Yeah free turns. That's that's what i like. Okay my bad week and it's a bad week for me and becca. That larry david the market. What wasn't to me. who did he marry. So it's this. I forget her name name. Is mary something. But she was a producer. On who is america the sasha baron of arts and i guess she's really good friends with him so i have my stamp of approval on her because she's obviously funny enemies hangup. She's friends with all of that crew. I'm looking at the photo. Wow becca way to be distracted. And honestly she looks like an older version of me or becca could have been us. I was definitely that just a basic blonde bitch. That's all he wanted the time we've been right here we've been right here. All my god he's seventy-three holy moly just think of the balls not. It still doesn't her age. How old is she. She's she's like fifty jealous. I approve. it's like it works for him. It's not like he's like a creepy old guy. That like mary and some young girl so i like it. It's true okay. Mazal tov larry okay. Good week. I was recently driving in l. a. and i saw one of the buses like ally steady buses and sometimes the buses are super county. And there's like a way to describe it. And i'm not sure who controls like the little nine hundred and ninety s flashing front sign. That's route for a one or but this one. This bus was driving down Monica and it said mass required like was flashing nose. Like don't get on the bus about you're going to have your mask and then it flashed mascara required. Oh my god. Wasn't like an ad for laurie. Our something no. It was literally like the little orange light bulbs that someone had to program. Someone was being county and like laughing. And it's so true though like if there's ever been one makeup necessity during mask times. Yes like we're not paying a phillips anymore. Neither veneers like i don't need a mouth all need. I don't need teeth lashes. Are you know what what is going to happen. It's the new. My thought that was really cute and then speaking of mouths. My bad week is that it's time for me to get new teeth and yeah i'm having so much trauma it. I literally stayed up in bed. Christmas lake so busy news. Like i just don't have enough time that i talked for two hours about how traumatized them i have had mouth and teeth issues since i was a young girl. My teeth didn't grow in. I didn't have enough room in my mouth. I had size embrace it like all these different things. And then i got my first set of in years when i was eighteen and then they only lasted six years started crumbling and then i'd get them done again and i remember i got them done in my life last few months of dating ross and i got them done and i went to go see him and he was like you look. I can't remember what the insult was like really mean where i was like. What do you think like. You have a new set of teeth right. And he's like you look insane but it was way worse and he was still cried and i was like why am i dating this guy but anyway i wanna break his legs anyway It would then and then like they still crumble because my teeth underneath are not strong. Like my bones poof. So like i'm on tooth and so basically what's going to have to happen is they're gonna have to take out all my top teeth which are now. Like live can daggers. And they're gonna have to give me a whole new set and then this is like a two week process and you have to be awake because you have to like be able to close your mouth to show that you can let close your mouth so i wanna be knocked out. I'm trying to find a doctor right now and like literally all i do on. Instagram is like look at veneer technicians and the porcelain guys who make the teeth. I'm like should i. Go dr sands do i go with dr oppa. Like i like dr. Apas the better but dr to kardashians like and i'm like paying full price for this shit. I do not want to discount. I wanna be easy. How much is a good pair of veneers. A good so expensive to grand tooth or something. It's like forty grand isn't it. I think i think that in canada. When i got them done before it was like twelve hundred dollars a tooth which is insane and i have six. It was like ten grand. I can imagine that dr stans ashen doctor is not doing veneers for ten gram like it's probably going to be. I'm going to have to get one of those care credit cards and pay it off for the next ten years and it's like what if i get another bad seven years like i know that might be eight and they're like really i have like they're big and they're chunky and like i know that they're not a great set of teeth if you're going to have fake teeth should be lovely but like remember when hillary duff goffin years and they were bad and then she'd get another stat like you just never know what you're going to get. I'm so terrified. I feel like chris right now. I have one request through this whole thing. I couldn't stop thinking about it when you do do the switcheroo. Can you please texas a picture of your little dog teeth. No i'm going to hope to sleep. I have on my when. I knocked out my tooth and i have just one dagger i remember that. What if you're daggers. Like get all up. And there's no doubt they have to implant. Yes so that's the problem with my front left to them not to get tube series here but now that you've asked so what happens is like in the nineties when you were getting. Veneers is getting boob job in the eighties or nineties. It's come so far. You know so. When they first doing veneers they would shave your tooth down to a little dagger ya'll they just literally smoke a little bit off the front and then put the plaster on so your whole truth and the strength of your tooth is there. I've little daggers. And they've now are going to be on their third shave so they're tiny they're going to break the cough and then it's like i've been so lucky the last four years. I haven't broken a tooth. So i feel like we're at a good place and now they're gonna like give me new ones and they're probably gonna break off and it's just like you just need propofol i know i need drily yeah. There's got to be a doctor who will be willing to do that for you. Is really torturous. Texted tammy at dr diamonds allows like. Who's who do i go for teeth. Who's the diamond of tea. So am i gone and she could just drug you just before you go and i could just drug with some of my things that i have at home. Magic mushroom really. I mean to be out. Like i can't feel that drill. I can't like okay. This is like an old barron. The words of cardi b. out like a light doesn't she say about in what i don't know my good week is that i have been doing this thing since it's an election episode. I've been phone banking with tracy from the stacks soul being called hashtag the stack calling. It's very cute. And i was so scared. Like all. Walk into rooms and audition and sing acapella and like do shameless things. That are super embarrassing. But the thought of randomly calling up a someone a civilian and asking them if they're registered to vote was traumatizing not traumatizing. The thought of it was traumatizing. So i was like okay. I'm gonna do this. I'm going to do this like i. This is my job is doing things that are uncomfortable some times. I'm happy to report that. I loved doing it. It was so fun it was almost like it was like prank calling adjacent. Because can say your name is anything so you like this is matilda and volunteering for next gen. And that you're like are you registered to vote and like hide matilda and it's so fun you're like prank calling with the real purpose cycle this little old lady like you don't know who you're getting and it pops up on your computer their name and i'm like hi is it was like anna there and this woman who is a very very old from the sound of roy. She's very old and she starts. And i'm like are you registered to vote in a lot of the time they're just like yes. Stop calling the hang up or the like yourself. How did you get my number or wrong number. Like there's some guy you know. I'm not gonna lie but this woman was like yes. I'm registered to vote i. I've never missed an election. I voted in every election. And she's talking and talking. And i'm like oh my gosh and i could tell. She just wanted to chat to people who live alone only have a condo. Yes so i was like. I talked to her for good. Like i don't know ten minutes and she was a little bit loopy and she's like oh by the way. I just woke up from a nap. I'm not drunk. Oh my god. I can assure you it was so cute. I was like honestly whatever floats your boat. All i care about is that you voted girlfriend. And she's like. I voted anyways so that was very fun. I would next election i would. I would say. I really recommended. It's super fun. My bad week is i was at the bank and for some reason. I'm with a bank. That's still has no like deposit through your phone. What's it called. Vertical actually shocks me every time. I have to write you a check. it's shocking. they don't have it. And i'm like very annoyed and i make my my deposits and i'm standing at the atm. And then there's the teller line where people are in the car. And i keep hearing honking and i'm standing outside for quite a while because you're six feet apart and and there's only one teller in there like being very safe but i'm standing there and i'm like i keep hearing honking. This is so annoying. And i look around and there's a woman in her car waiting to get up to the teller window. She has checks or something on her steering wheel and she has a stamp and so every time she's stamping. Check in hong sir horn it. How god like thirty times. And she never wants realized that she has the person honking. God no shocking. How are you that oblivious. It was so weird to me that she just continued or she didn't care. And i'm like that's a really big asshole. Like their decorative and she's like no offense but like why are you not stamping at a table like stamping steering wheel. It's not this not going to be clear. It's not going to be equally pressed albums with stamping on a round service. It was so weird. I was like being back in. 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That helped you figure out how to use that mail in ballot during a hilarious sadly informative skit on the daily show with trevor noah where she brings her quick wit truly magical personality as a correspondent. She's been named by rolling. Stone is when the ten comedians. You need to know. And she's going to talk about a new podcast. Her new movie coming out where she gets her confidence in all the weird things that happen to our bodies in our thirties. Please welcome to the lady. Gang dole. say sloan. Oh we're obsessed we ever since your team reached out like do whatever on the podcast. We went such down such a deep dive of your comedy special. I mean so. Everything about you is perfect. Welcome thank you for bringing your dear juice to the world they can. How's your fame Well as explain to one of my friends who really is famous. You're famous like no no no when you arkansas restaurant. People getting cited. When i arkansas restaurant people ask how many so until people start asking me awesome start asking for autographs instead of one at a booth or a table. I am a no. But i don't know if i'm like famous wild a pretty good. That's a good judge though. I like that. Yeah how many i will. I like this journey for you and so you set out to sort of do acting in theater and then you got side. Swung by people. Were like you're really funny. You should do comedy. And so i love that like the backup plan has launched you and now the acting is coming into play. True like a true triple threat. So let's first talk about. The movie comes out november thirteenth in theaters and on demand. Tell me about audition process because back as an actress too and she tells us all her horrible audition stories. I wanna know the process of you getting the job. I'm at scrape. The weird thing is is like Wolf i like stand up. Wasn't santa within the backup plan. It was just something to try Because i was in between plays. And i was inbetween day jobs so i just had the time and i was while you. I know. i'm a good performer. Let me see. If i can be good at stand up and so i ended up being good at it so then i just added it to the list of things that i do. It was a performer. Because i did musical theater for a long time in standard theater children's theatre so I just added this into my toolkit of being a performer. Basically is what i did for the film. It was really interesting because on the producers asked christian new of my stand up and hold the directed director laden about it and so my manager called me and was like. Hey you know there's a the director wants to have just the Phone call with you just to get to know you and you know they told me what the idea of the movie was and then they sent me like some of the script and i read it and liked wonder if you're interested in was like gabba talk to him and after i talked to him now well they went off you the role so i am. This is i. Didn't there was no nine call backs. I don't remember there being. This is a booked and busy. Yes this is busy as my mother made me a shirt me into my friends. Madison shepherded daniel up raspberry funny Black comedians After latina and so my mom made all of us less Less booked in busy t shirts. Amazing and daniel was are you know. She's been wearing it and she's like garage. It's helping me. I just feel like i'm booking things now so every time i fly. That's my shirt. I'm always flying. Like whenever i fly minister. The my mother made me. But yeah i talked to paul offer to you. I read the script Okay like swimming. Puerto rico and it was like december in new york lucasfilm next month puerto rican. I do you like that will do. I've never been puerto rico to those men are beautiful I don't have to be in new york january and funke equal at the same time. I love what you said you were. You were talking about having to move to new york for success thing anyone ever. Since i was four the moved to new york because of success i love. What do you about new york city and like what you love about new york. Do you love anything. I said my whole half hour everything that i think. We obviously reasons that i think trash I recently just had a moment where we're just like the lord ever sees Blessing with the dragon. I am burning misplaced out. I'm burning down from borough to borough run. It down started at nyland. There's no one knows with it. You only standing treated vandals house in the mural big anche shot out the big end than that flames done over at here. I just know there's somebody is trash and Like what's interesting about this. After my half hour came out there are people that email me in the air angry air. You say this about new york. And i'm like you own nothing on your back in the furniture in your apartment and that might be only so out of my internet address aphid but when you charter city into your personality of course when someone says they don't like it feels like a personal attack you if you meet somebody from la and you say you don't like la they go. Oh what is your dream. Dream dream role on broadway. It's probably already slated to go. So you don't have to tell us but actually written actually i'm single handedly bringing broadway back in two thousand twenty one. You're welcome Even though i don't have the vocal chops for it. I would love to be our alphabet Actually i'd like to be linda who i'm seconds Actually i can go second contralto. So it's second soprano the second alto. Yeah but i wanted to shift high. Yeah i can't sing glenda anything I can have her nose but everybody knows popular but my dream role of my life of my whole american christian life is to be a clear on star trek klingons discovery. The the war clean on like that is my up to be walking around with rennie. Hair butter my forehead slinging battling folks jeff killing the game titties popping. That's right yes. I love this for you. This could happen. I mean honestly come on come on paramount. come on. I think they need you. Honestly i see. He wore sneeze there at the high council called the guarantees that could be your literally actually making gibberish to me right. Now you are the biggest dork. I just like the so much. I love so anything else. I wanna talk to you about which was a part of your standup special. Which really drew me in. Which was on your body freaking out when your thirties we talk about this lady gang malt time is like you're twenty and you're just going along in your life and you like i'm good. I'm good. I don't want the cheese. And fine. like live my life and then all of a sudden thirties head. And i love the part where like goo goo goo goo goo will have a baby now. There's a baby. I need to have a baby like this is so real and thank you for talking about this because i feel like there. Aren't that many people explaining thirties. There's like fifty s and there's twenty twenties but like what we do in their thirties. Faster yakovlev the bit. You're referencing is like one of my friends. Like my big from college. She was really trying to tell me because she's like a year to order to me. She was like turn. Thirty about is gonna freak out and i was like i showed up eighty and then it's literally. A biological clock goes from snooze to european techno taught. Baby back off a brand and the love you wait. A minute was in saying got this whole thing. We're talk about whereas basically people think i make stuff up making it up you wake up every morning. Your body's let me like know. And i want kids but so since i want kids. It's intense for me and i'm trying to think about like what about for the women who don't wanna have children bright So you don't want to have children but everybody going jim. it's crazy. we'll speaking of man. I do want to ask you about having trevor as a boss on the daily show like what an amazing accomplishment for you to be a part of that cast game changing. And he's i so rad. I fell in love with an even more after. I read his his memoir and What's it just like on sad and what's it like. Having him as a boss. He is very nice. Very supportive He heaves there. He's very much in tune with each comment. Each correspondence comedic fence. His most of us all of us except for desi lighted stand up comics and but steady but deshea the comedic actress. Soon as she doesn't do standup doesn't mean she doesn't work comedic because she's amazing But all of us if we're working on a pc knows exactly what we need to hit. You know exactly what we're trying to say when we're talking about going out in the field you know sometimes different field producer to go all wanna work with this person in travel here the idea ago. Actually it might be better if we can switch things around. Just you know one to convey the story in the best way to sometimes. Certain correspondence can help with house. Four is being sold. Though is very supportive of us. He understands comedy and you know. I talked to him One of my favorite things is the bother him when he's getting his makeup done this role in zingy young jeffrey's song rollout or just act. I talked to him like we're friends though. I've talked to them. Like i talked to any of my friends. 'cause i mean he's my boss still another comic so right now. We still talk to each other comics who still joke as comics. So but you know because he's working on the show on we're gonna win. I'm doing some days. I don't some weeks. Tm right here in the office. So yeah if these look. But also. I'm busy doing nothing. Show very busy being in midst. Our podcast hosts on. I have a question just a quick question. Who in this journey so far has given you the best advice like was there a moment where some other comedian was like you know. Always take a ship before show I can say it wasn't so much advice as it's been encouragement When i was performing at lacking school in atlanta there were headliners. Who came on a regular basis. So i was able to meet a lot of different headliners to greg proops. Maria bamford. Who was always really supportive of female comics. When i'm with l. a. And i came to new york especially when i moved. la. I had a support system. I had people that look at and go. Hey is this a good show to do. Were these or what is what is this part of the process you know and then Being friends with the sheer nicole buyer there was one pilot season. Were like me and the call at the time Were auditioning for log the same stuff right. So as opposed to you know and i tell her. Hey in the gwen pilots seat like twenty seventeen. We were just calling each other and being like did you get sit out for this. Did you get out. For this judith. And so it was like as opposed because it was like michelle buccio with dish so mean a call. I'm telling you everything i'm going. It was like we're going to write. It can get divisive. And that's not what we wanted. She wanted me to work. I wanted her to work. This is my friend. I want her to work I'm the these other checks on join forces and be like whatever job she can get. If i don't book anything. Glad she books anything to them. Still doing stand up on the road. I'm still working. That's amazing that's really uncommon because it's very uncommon in women because the queer eye guys came on and they told us a very similar storage in addition they were like we were all like texting each other being like. Did you get it in like really. I found that. So heartwarming wives. Seen it like with. I mean. I think it's just a lot of times actors in general You know like you've been sitting in a waiting room and someone's been going over you know you've seen someone asked to run lines and someone's like no. Yeah and i've seen women there actually actually exercising. More men do that to each other. I've seen women me way more helpful to other actors. Then i've seen male actors we. I'm not trying to shit on anybody telling telling you what i saw. Well we are the superior to on that. No when we come back we are evolved as gonna fix your life as you all know. I've been on a crazy health journey. And i've been taking ritual though for a long time probably over a year. They're a longtime sponsor of lady gang. Thank you so much and you know. It's one of those things where you hear me talk about on the podcast near like. Is it really great for small comes to your door. You sign up for a subscription. You never have to think about it. 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You're listening to the league egg. Okay so we're back for this part of our podcast. We have our listeners. Writing questions about their lives whether it's their love life career and everything in between and we try to give them some good advice and since we all want to basically be we will love if you give us a little tidbits perfect. I have absolutely no business giving her body. No help us. Do you think we do we are. I don't even know about advice. Yeah always it's mostly bad. It's usually like drink a bottle of wine and figure it out then run it. Let's go perfect okay. So first question comes from aging anxiety in the age of the pandemic. she says. I'm twenty seven and i've had this weird anxiety about aging since i entered my twenty s because i feel like these years are supposed to be full of travel parties and exciting sex since it hasn't gone quite that way for me. I feel like i'm losing my youth. Corentin has also exacerbated these worries. You have any advice to fight these feelings or changing perspective. That you count. It's a wash you don't inches reich area. Well it's society as a whole told you that is supposed to be about. You can only do. What's meant for you if i was all. That's why i've never pressed about. I can't be priced about jobs. Don't hit i impressive opportunities. Because if i if i was supposed to get them. They've mind yes. This year could be a wash for everybody we can be done. I could be thirty six fellow again right on but all that all it is. Sounds like you're saying which you should be doing. What are you doing. Join the life that you have or are you looking at what you're supposed to be doing. Because something told you that their twenties because their parents can afford for them to travel in their twenties or people take credit card debt. you travel in their twenties. You don't know how people travel in twins have been working since i was nine years old right literally so i was not traveling in my twenties. I was on unemployment sometimes in my twenties. But i do have to say you can still party and have exciting sexier thirties so and and better sex better and better because you know what i i must say and we have to stop doing this as women stop. Faking orgasm never never think they're doing can fantastic job. I've never done it. I don't either not my ministry. I'm not kidding not here. To tell you get ministry orgasms. What i'm in the middle of the troops wanted to let you believe that you have pleasure me i. You're gonna take this nonsense over to another woman so you would still have. You can have a better sex in your thirties. Because you're no longer afraid of going. Higher will let nowhere near it. Your any your might as well. Just close your eyes and point. That's gonna get to learn more about yourself. You get your you know you've gained more confidence You know your body better. Also you're more willing to speak up. And i realized a lot of Twenties worth of mazing. But you know why is. The dude was oh within his thirties. That makes sense okay. It's from negative nancy. She says she's a sophomore in college and she's always had thought of herself as a strong pretty optimistic and confident woman but i recently joined a sorority where every single girl is gorgeous and beyond sweet now found myself constantly praising others in hating on myself and a super negative way. How can i become more confident in myself but also like belong in the sea of seemingly perfect girls. Okay as someone who has Who in college. A lot of friends and sorority was common memory honoring number thirty I can say that every girl is thinking exactly what you're thinking. Yep every single girl is going. She's so gorgeous. She's so pretty it. Because i've had conversations with the girl going with lawrence o. Pregnancy so gorgeous and did that. And then i hear lauren boring well as she upgrading indebted. And then i hear each girl thinking that another enin you know by the time you get to the boss and you know like errands like oh i am bringing. I am so quirks so like the girl of the food chain. It was like yeah. I'm great but a lot of times. A lot of those girls are thinking the same thing you have. Those are your sisters. They picked you to be your sister. They pitcher be their sister so since they picked you to be their sister they pick you and you picked them these your sisters. This is your family so you shouldn't have to feel intimidated by these women. Who are your sisters. You shouldn't have to feel that you don't finishing when they picked you and you picked him nothing other because there was a commonality between you so you don't have to feel that you don't fit in when y'all picked each other to be sisters four life so but that's not to say that those feelings don't exist because if you feel it it's a real thing however you made me interpreting it if you feel it it's real and so if you want to feel more confident then talk if something when you have your chapter meeting when you have you know we just sitting around. Just you're really tight friends in the awardee. Have a conversation and just go. Hey monty only one difficult. The i'm not keeping up Promise you there's gonna be other girls there's gonna be relatively like now. she's a liar jumper. She's not your friend just background. No i feel great like one of my friends. Like she's like i'd never having zayed's must be cool. Nice you google just you. I mean. I didn't use to have it and now do right ugly adulthood. Sometimes you know. Some people just process things differently. Processed world's life is too much gonna bay and decided to go to sleep. But that's how you process that you have to realize that you know. There are girls that i have looked back and been like that growth so much prettier than me and there are other girls looking at me going nichols so much prettier than So there's always someone looking at you wishing that they had some attribute debts. You have so all you have to do is pay dues and graduate argue. Half sorority dues. Amen hairdo baidu graduate and that's it based worded news. They regulars graduate in that is it. But if you don't if you don't feel like that you fit in with them then talk to talk to your sisters talk to them because i promise you you're not the only one that feels that way. I mean with women it so much easier like friendships with women. 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Mackenzie Leuck

The First Degree

1:14:28 hr | 1 year ago

Mackenzie Leuck

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Not Wheel like it does seem very premeditated and some of my friends might have been talking about that. After the fact that was going on different meetings to try to find someone was this <hes> you know process but he was going through behind to find the right person for the <hes> and who knows hey guys welcome to the first degree that true crime podcast that you might ended up on my name is Jack Panic sitting across from Alexis linkletter and next to Billie Johnson that has a very festive shirt on today and socks logs. They don't match the sock match no the socks don't that's the shirt it's like a Japanese see from Aloha Western a modernized Tommy Bahama look but the Japanese shame on you Japanese wave yes. It's a Japanese way but it's a western shirt because it's got snaps. That's a cool cool combination Combo. I've ever seen billy so angry at me. He mentioned Tommy Bahama. They're gonNA have there's Margarita Ville. There's nothing that's more opposite than Bill Johnson Tomba Bahamas as has like a nice but honestly that's the best compliment you've ever given me check so I appreciate that come again by the way before you get into the date I just had to. I have two things to talk about before we get into the date number one is there is a really really good damn that we got on our first degree instagram page. I don't know if you saw still in the requests just Tino bring it back up and says your podcast. It's from Kerry billowed Dow. Your podcast is so good but Alexis breathing in mouth noises are so hard to listen to even after episode fifteen. I don't mean this. Please fix that. It's so hard to listen to really think people now because we've set it just just this year now. It's kind of like when you it's like if you have a car and you're making a little bit of a sound you've never heard of before in the gets into and says and what's that sound and then you're gonNa hear it for a million people way more than who have complained say. We don't know what the Hell anybody's talking about though I know I agree especially recently whatever that's why you're an unaccepted D._M.'s we're not gonNA. We're only gonNA talk about it at are exactly the thing that I wanted to talk about before you get into the date is I made a post on our facebook spoke about what our listeners should be whereas ongoing debate. We can't figure it out Bob. We think that you guys were the first as I like it. Alexis hates it. I'm indifferent what he do you like I think I he voted and that's what one and then I love how you put your thing in where it's like the name soul sock. Let's keep taking that came in second. They're giving second but first until then but I do have to really highlight attacks that my mom sent me about what our listeners and this is what. She said she says what about the P._H._D.'s fear I re- followers because a p._H._d.. Is a degree and people who have them are smart then you can have the owl beer mascot and you can call them. I even hotline he's in Hotlanta rate. Then you can draw like a rapper and have a gold chain around its neck of a hotdog Haha. I'm a marketing G.. O. May owe me and then she text me. She Goes Dad's drying. I even hot link right now because my dad's like really good artist so next animal I get I even hot link. Is I van the owl so that's that's a solid so what's what's your holiday before we talk about the holiday. I just want to say as a call back to one of our other episodes. I got to go inside Ted Bundy's. How creepy is incredibly creepy so they have? They have four cars. They'RE ONE OF THEM IS O._J.'s Bronco which is actually Al cowlings bronco the one from the chase they had that one and because I was there and I didn't event there. They let me like actually go in. Look inside everything like that so that one I got nothing from. It was just kind of cool to see that everybody there's millions. Only two people like watching this car one branches kind of interesting going into the Bundy car that was that was very eerie and very kind of I just felt this dread because they had the seat out yeah and <hes> it was just this is what this guy drove around. That was the one that he had in Salt Lake City not the one that he stole in Florida. God what other hearts they have that they had they had the movie car from Bonnie and Clyde side and they had I think dillinger's car as well so I mean when you think about true crime cars that the top three half day of two of the top three the other the other one would be probably J._F._K.'s. Oh yeah so. Let's get into the date. There were not many choices today but I'm going to pick this one so bleak day national telling Old Joke Day that other joke earlier yes but here's the joke I'm going to say and it's also chicken related to tell a joke who was the greatest chicken killer Shakespeare death because he did murder most foul well. That's a good day. That's enough of that so let's turn on the lights and turn up your anxiety this okay sorry because this could be you talk with heavy heart that I address you today. After an exhaustive week of investigation we are finally charges of aggravated murder aggravated kidnapping obstruction of justice and desecration of a body homicide of McKinsey. The announcement came after a Salt Lake City swatting arrested the thirty one year old suspect. I Ola Chhaya known as A._J.. This man appeared to live a life of contradiction. It was kind of visitors and those who stayed in his home as airbnb guests but at other times is temperate flare up in bubble over about inconsequential things he joined the Army National Guard but never attended training began studying computer science that Utah State University but never graduated then in two thousand fourteen he came the suspect in a rape case but the chargers were dropped now five years later he then finds himself the subject of a police investigation and he's accused of committing acts of unspeakable or in regards to twenty three year old Mackenzie Luek so mackenzie was a part time student in her senior year at Utah State University majoring in Kinesiology and pre nursing. She'd been a student at the university since two thousand fourteen and was a member of the Church of Jesus Christ latter-day saints she also belonged the Alpha Chai Omega already and the university and was active with with her sorority sisters on June seventeenth Mackenzie was returning from a trip back from her home town of Elsa Gunda which is ten minutes away from me by the way which is the beachside suburb of Los Angeles and it's it's kind of by L._A._X.. For anyway that's like vendela before she was home under unfortunate organic circumstance as attending the funeral of grandma. McKenzie's flight landed just after one A._M.. And the last photos of her were taken up a Salt Lake City Airport after she deplaned she's wearing a cream colored sweater had her hair pull back and ponytail tail and was carrying a gray to- back on her arm yeah and she was dressed like you do when you're traveling just comfortable it adorable <hes> fee af so in this surveillance footage she smiling and she's also texting a little bit over the course of approximately thirty one minutes she walks away from the jetway and gets her luggage and she catches a lift and in the footage she didn't really appear to be talking to anyone at the airport but she was texting people so the lift picks her up and drive mackenzie to a place called Hatch Park which is actually twenty minutes from where she lived almost eight miles from her apartment and Hatch Park. Is your typical suburban park. It has a couple couple playgrounds. It has a ball field and it's got a four star Google Review rating and if you've ever read some Gogo reviews of public parks they can be pretty brutal so there's no park that has a good review and this place was actually seems like a nice safe place and but she cruel those are supposed to be safe happy places for children. You're giving them. one-star view of parks usually aren't as nice as not assume and want park to be but this is a nice park nice suburban suburban park. The driver drops her off at approximately three A._M.. So any time you're going to a park at three A._M.. It's that's a little strange and it's at this point that Mackenzie seems to go off the grid and and her parents Kit recher right and McKenzie's parents become worried after not being able to reach her for an understandable reason because they say that they are generally just in constant communication and the last awesome family had heard from her was right after she landed as billy mentioned so and at first police didn't really know what to make of this because in the initial reporting that I read their stances Kinda conflicted as to whether or not and he play was going on because they were even saying importing you know Mackenzie. Just let us know your K- you're an adult who want X.. Respect your privacy need seem to they immediately went to like she's voluntarily missing yeah. She's with a guy I you know because other than McKenzie's radio silence there wasn't really any evidence suggests that she was in any danger but the concern for parents was increasing when they continuously weren't able to reach are so in she was is also absent from her social media which apparently was not common for her then she miss classes and then she wasn't on a plan flight to Los Angeles days later which was for a wedding and this is probably the most alarming and she also missed amid midterm so after this kind of non contact persisted they called police reported her missing on June twentieth two or three days after that morning she was dropped off at the park and I say two or three because it was the night of the sixteenth breath after eight nine Warner exactly so it's it's really technically too but it's really more like three yeah and this is one of those cases where you've got a family members. Who are you know there are certain children that are adults but they are in constant contact act with their parents? They talked to each other multiple times per day and if that stops the parents are saying there's something wrong and the police are still not. They've gotten a lot better because we've heard about stories that they have to wait this this amount sometimes from back in the day they've gotten better but they still. They still don't have that kind of nuance to say okay yes she. She might be over eighteen this arbitrary age that we put on being an adult yeah but there's something off here so the police get Mackenzie cell phone data and they find out who the driver of the lift was that dropped her off after her flight landed they obviously start probing him for Info and they learned that he dropped Mackenzie off at the park and he said that she was met by someone who she appeared to have known so. We have to think about just a few months earlier than this. We've all heard the story about the University of South Carolina Students Samantha Josephson who went missing was later found murdered and she may have gotten into her killers car mistakenly believing that it was an uber ride a couple months before that there's a story about an uber driver in Arizona who's throat with slash by passenger so when you hear that she took a rideshare especially kind of in the middle of the night it's easy to jump to conclusions that maybe deed driver had something to do with the story but through all the data on the APP fortunately the lift driver could prove where he was immediately prior to picking Mackenzie up the route that he took and what he did immediately after he dropped her off breath. Remember around this time. The police are still dealing with Mackenzie disappearance as someone that is voluntarily missing but by June twenty-fourth she's missing for a week and the police are still hopeful. It does not foul play involved. One detective actually told U._S._A.. Today that law enforcement believes that the interaction between Mackenzie and the man that she dropped off that she was dropped off within the park was quote unquote cordial and as an adult she's entitled to privacy and to not contact her family if she doesn't want to so they're still holding onto this but it still it. It's getting there in the meantime though her friends and family are saying no no no and Yongxing back I mean she missed a mid-term. She missed a flight. I mean that's you guys. If I miss anything yeah. That's just not how I roll. Please call the cops however at a certain point the reporting on McKenzie's disappearance sorted to shift as if the police are realizing how serious the situation actually is and finally probably listening to our friends and family they started earning the public for tips and they suggested that there is a severe cause for concern stating the after discovering discussions with her family and friends. We see no indication that she has gone off the grid before this kind of behavior is uncharacteristic for her according to them which again has to be so frustrating to the people around them with our basically screaming at them to do something for so long. 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Probably right when the plane landed but before she got off off the plane and as we surveillance video you see your texting other people so police looked at the messages after the one tour mom and Sonics change of several messages Mackenzie was having with a man the Magilla Ajay he the last tax that came from her phone. Not Morning was at two fifty eight A._M.. Her phone pinged at the park a few minutes before Ajay's phone pinged in the very same area the pair had been communicating via text on the day before and the day of Mckenzie's flight and when she went missing so who exactly is this man now first degree today we have a woman named Sarah and she met A._J.. As he preferred to be called on a dating he went by A._J.. On dating out that I was using we've talked for a little while on dating up and then to fight it you exchange numbers and what another. Ah We text for awhile and then decided to meet up and I think it was the first move to actually meet up just based off of the conversations that we were having which were normal and straightforward and this is what I did for work. This is what I do for work and nothing really beyond that it's kind of Nice to meet in person and get a skill or someone before you take it any further or you see them more frequently so it's nice to meet up and say our yes or no so he didn't look attractive and it's so does that mean had one of the photos and his army uniform which is always nice to see in and had a nice face that looked like a nice individual he talked about if I remember for correctly <hes> working for the army and then being in the I._T.. Deal and that something that I relate to and maybe have that uncommon. I don't recall anything being different about his profile just a normal tormo online dating profile so there was no flirting at all in the APP or via text message which was kind of Nice because I'm men get to thirty and it seems very strange that they get so slurpy when you haven't actually you spoke on the phone I bet up in person so I appreciate it that there was no over the top flirting but it was just very straightforward. This is what I'm doing this. You're doing for lunch and not that as a dating APP connoisseur myself Alf sometimes men get overly presumptuous presumptuous or sexual or like Hansie kind of feeling like on a dating APPs so it's probably nice. You just have a normal conversation. You can see how it is. This is a very mature way of going about a dating APP. You're not getting ahead of yourself thinking that you're going to have an attraction and you just kinda see how it's GonNa be on casual first date yeah I am. I don't do APPS so I don't know what I'm talking about so normally everyone think on so as we all sat to cut the BS and just see if there was a connection Seren A._J.. decided to meet in person to see Fateh connection for lunch and the encounter was exceptionally strange. You decided to meet at a local safe and I text them from my car saying that I was there. He said that he was as well and I said I just go inside for him. I stand inside and wait <hes> couple of minutes that I took assise coming in and and he's you know I'm on a call just a couple of minutes more so fleeting restaurant for about ten minutes and then he finally came in and was still on the phone call. Just I'm on a conference call that ran translate which can happen that south reasonable. It doesn't seem like a you know to unreasonable for that happened so he was on the call we went in and orders <hes> as one of those restaurants you order and then you sit down and so I ordered burdensome eat didn't order anything which seems very strange to me for lunch dot order anything and then we sat down and he was still off the phone as I started eating and then he finally got up the phone and <hes> it was very very difficult to have a conversation but he couldn't really answer any of my questions. You know I said well. What about your friends at work and he said I don't have any age just but I just use my whereby headphones but I don't talk to anyone in that? That was a red flag to be. I have not having any friends at work not really being able to talk about yourself or talk about things all right so he's an I._T.. Guy I don't necessarily want to defend the I._T.. Guys but I get it an I._T.. Guys is if you have an I._T.. Guy If you work in an office if you have an I._T.. Person 'cause guy or Gal a lot of times they will just listen to their headphones and not necessarily interact with people but that that is not him saying that in this. I don't have friends at work. A lot of people don't have friends at work. That's totally fine but the idea that he cannot answer any of her questions and be so closed off like that. That's when the red flags yes. I think Gordon well. It's Kinda just like a couple different thing. It's like the conference call into lunch like just say you're running late ordering lunch not ordering. That's the weirdest part to me is not ordering lunch. Li sorta like a drink. I think as a strange to sit on a conference call while your date sitting across from you eating lunch shape and you didn't gate I yeah and you're still in the phone. Sorry my Bluetooth in like it's Bizarro. World is pretty Bizarro Lavar guy and that may be the social skills. Weren't there a lot of smiley and so maybe he was uncomfortable but then after awhile you can kind of tell us someone is just uncomfortable. They're nervous or if it's just something different and it just felt like something different itself more beyond nervous because you can kind of help someone kind of come down and he's still more relaxed <hes> as they're talking with them and not just didn't ever happen and so finally I just stopped talking eight my lunch. It was super awkward. Uh of I think I said well has to get back to get back to work and I think the entire interaction maybe lasted fifteen twenty minutes so we weren't even sitting there for very long. <hes> and I just thought about four. I'm blessed and I remember going back to working Alex for my coworkers but that was the weirdest lunch date that I've ever had there was no communication with lady on the phone. It was just a very strange and we kind of had a laugh about it but I felt just really beard about it after the facts even though we had a laugh it just felt very weird. There was no no further communication after that case so fast forward to present day the cops are now taking a hard look at A._J.. They find him and he's cooperating with them on the surface looking carefully at a cellphone activity and they're matching it up to McKenzie's and they are seeing a pattern there fitting together so we know that McKenzie's ends. He's lift dropped her off at the park at two fifty nine A._M.. And both their cellphone records place Mackenzie and A._J.. At the park at this time and member this is three A._M.. The morning then strangely Mackenzie cellphone is powered off right at two fifty nine A._M.. And is never powered back on A._J.. Cellphone records prove that he was back at his home at three. Oh seven seven A._M.. Eight minutes later and during preliminary discussions with A._J.. He admits to having text conversations with Mackenzie on June sixteenth at around six P._M.. But nothing after that time and he actually also denies having any personal contact with Mackenzie or ever meeting her in the in the meat space ever meeting her physically and person Hurson at any time Walt for an I._T.. Guy He's not so sharp. Find then okay so this is the thing by then how they were able to find him is via her cellphone. I know it is yeah so as an I._T.. Not Guy you think he'd be a little presumably if they've looked at myself on that. They've probably looked at her left. They've probably contacted left. They probably talk to the drive. My phone probably pink from here at the same thing not such a sharp guy. He should not have had his headphones on. He should have been talking to his coworkers. He might have learned to for real so after A._J.. Till the police that he didn't know what Mackenzie looked like they ended up finding at least one photo of her in his possession and after speaking to some of her friends they learned that many of them were aware of A._J.. So they confirmed that the tour acquainted enough for her to even be talking about him to our friends so A._G.. Lying about knowing Mackenzie is an huge red flag and says it appeared that he was the last person to seen communicate with her. The police felt like they had enough to secure a search warrant for his home. The warrant was executed on June twenty-sixth which was eleven days. After McKenzie's disappearance. Sarah calls what it was like to hear A._J.'s name in connection with missing woman happen last fall and then of course news folks <hes> you know the early summer <hes> about missing missing woman and I didn't i Father Ah what's happening and and <hes> didn't really relate to it until I was reading an article on one of the local newspapers and there was a link to his profile and I clicked on my and call his face and I I don't even know how to describe that feeling I it was nothing like it ever had before so as the police approach A._J.'s home to deliver the warrant the encounter one of Asia's neighbors and the neighbor actually tells the police that they had observed A._J.. Burning something and his backyard using gasoline in fact they'd observed to fires one on June seventeenth in the second on June eighteenth which coincides with McKenzie's disappearance the night show at missing the nights ash day in the following day as well and the neighbor said the smell emanating from the fire was horrible and you actually seen A._J.. Pouring gasoline on the fire using red gas can so police commence with their search and in the backyard they find a freshly dug sort of disturbed site. That's filled with charred material and this is presumably were the fire was set and the site was search extensively and what they discover is unnerving to say that the very very least so they find human bone muscular tissue a piece of a SCALP SCALP hair chart cell phone and other burnt personal items then in this alleyway next to the home the police discover this has charred black fabric some buckles from clothing and other items that they describe as being of evidentiary value then they go in search A._J.'s vehicle they look inside than they opened the trunk there hit with this really strong smell of gasoline an inside the truck. They find this red gasoline. Can they start investigating. This gas candidate find out that A._J.. Purchased a red gas can near his residence at approximately nine A._M.. On June seventeenth remember that was the day that Mackenzie vanished so investigators they also sees about a dozen boxes of ammunition from his home and also pitchfork and while they're searching the home they find something that they tag. It's pretty odd. There were cameras in every room including several in the master bedroom facing the bed so this is all adding up. You've got human remains. You've got a a fresh freshly dug site. You've got the cellphone. The cops are pretty sure that this is where Mackenzie Mackenzie met her fate but they would need to conduct d._N._A.. Testing to figure it out and actually be sure and when the results are returned. It's revealed that the muscular tissue that they found in ages backyard hard was a match. It was a profile that was consistent with Mackenzie I didn't I didn't even really know what to think other. You know my first thought was oh my gosh. I know this person and then second was this is just awful. This is so awful how could happen for this woman. <hes> you know just a terrible thing that happened to her and then all the what a you know it would have been eat <hes> what if somebody I know you know just all of the what s and maybe I escaped something maybe the rest of us who didn't eat up with him or had conversation with him on dating APPs escapes best I it's it's absolutely terrible. I feel I feel terrible for the family boy happening to go through this. I can't imagine if they use it. They arrested him. I was checking a lot of different social media platforms of news outlets because I just wanted to consume as much as I could and it really messed up my mental health day I I had stopped and I ended up going out of town with family and it was so nice not to see any of it and not be part of it and I came back and then had a nightmare a night I came back that someone was someone that I had on wanting with hurting my family and and I could see in my dream what they had actually done to my family and it was it was so overwhelming and still feels overwhelming easy was arrested so they were able to arrest him on suspicion Shen of murder desecration of corpse kidnapping so but just because you're arrested generally once you are arrested the D._A.'s Office has a certain amount of time to actually formally charge you and bringing to an arraignment so you know what charges you're facing in that time limit actually varies by State in Utah. It's seventy two hours but in this case they got a special sort of waiver from the court to extend that time because what we were dealing with here is obviously they we're presuming mackenzie dead unfortunately due to the evidence that was founded in his backyard so they knew that they probably had a homicide. They didn't want him out so this was a kind of a special circumstance where they were able to arrest him mm-hmm but they were delaying the formal charges being read. They were delaying the actual arraignment of charges. If you love designer clothes like me but you hate spending a lot of money on said designer clothes like me at then listen up because this new sponsor is for you and it's called the real real dot com if you are not shopping on the real real something's up get on board. 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Wanted him to build a secret soundproof room underneath the porch of his home. He wanted hooks mounted high on a concrete wall and he wanted to fingerprint some lock and the construction. The contractor got a little weird by this and asked him why he wanted these things A._J.. said that he wanted to hide alcohol from his Mormon girlfriend any wanted to be able to blast music in this soundproof room and I I also we know that at one point I wanna put wine rocks up on these hook and he's like I can build you a wine rack for the same price. Just let me do it and he's like nope. I want the hook. He needs the hooks. I want the hawks so you know the the contractor responded and he said in an interview as soon as you said he wanted these hooks and he said he wanted them above head height. It was like eight feet. He's six feet Tall A._J.. So He's like why do you need hooks up there at at this point he's he. He kinda about out of the job. He's like Guy Dude. I can't I can't do this and so when contractors saw the reports of ages arrest he immediately called the police to report the encounter and in a subsequent interview the contractor said some people say I should've called call the cops then but how am I supposed to call the cops and be like hey. This guy wants me to build a weird room in his basement and he's right because she's missing in. The cops didn't even though she. That would have blamed that guy exactly and this kind of reminds us. This was a basement room in this kind of is a throwback to last week's episode Beers Yeah but the thing is is that Esposito Bellsa his own built his own so there was nobody to to knock on him. Well you know this reminds me of two is the H.. H homes so what he would have groups of contractors built wings of his house and then firearms they it could be the rest of the house and yeah the details about the base then <hes> you know the he wanted a contractor to build something like that. Tell tells us like he's been saying something like this for awhile that he's these thank you because Miami and further than having the ideas he wanted to take action on. I'm not exceptionally scary and yeah you you meet people on dating Aspen and you know you you just trust that that they're not gonna do these types of things and and the risk of something happening is extremely low <hes> and and you just you can't live your life in a bubble <hes> and but the the news of what what he did and what happened to her it just horrific any really typical but talk about it and really difficult to think about <hes> that happening to her anytime anyone frankly so it was also revealed that A._J.. Had Been married before in June of two thousand eleven he married to Nisha Jenkins in Dallas Texas and we haven't found much background info on this relationship in terms of how they met or anything and there's nothing really about it or about the wedding on Social Media Tunisia she began speaking to the media here and there and there are things that we know and she alleged that she hasn't lived with A._J.. For years years she said that she is quote. I'm so disappointed in him. I don't know much else to say and she also said that. She thinks that he committed the crime because he had once threatened her. The Daily Mail spoke with her an entity in interview she alleged that he wants slashed her with a knife and left her with a scar and she said that they hadn't seen each other for years and she actually went into hiding and changed her phone number. Due to these violent outbursts agents in Asia actually finalized the divorce in January of two thousand nineteen and and their marriage actually was legal for Bailey eight years and a former roommate of A._J.'s named Chakari more lived in them for a few months until the Salt Lake Tribune that he was an airbnb host who was intelligent and had a good relationship put his clients and a spokesman for urban be investigated and confirmed that he did previously have this airbnb he said the A._J.. Was the kind of guy that was like hey let's go to the Asian supermarket and by a couple of crabs and go oh back to my house and eat torches a very specific way of describing somebody but you know he's the he invited women over but he didn't seem to have any long-term relationships and he said that he was never aware the A._J.. Had ever been married which kind of goes along with what billy was saying rang however he would suddenly become irate and disruptive over really small things like little disagreements about how furniture was arranged and Chakari said that he doesn't like to be told anything other than his way he snaps loses his temper and then comes back to sweet solf but still he said he never saw A._J.. act violently so on the hills of something you just said Jack he would have women over yeah so that's interesting. Let's hear from Sarah now on another thing having to do with women who A._J.. was in contact with at this time. Is You know that in some of the groups but I've been on base book other women have come forward instead. I you know I had conversations with this person and ferry. Everything's about things that he wanted to do and tools and all sorts of things that precluded them from even eating. I and I am so you know if he hadn't been caught who knows what he could have done. During the thing that he thinks so publicly that he would absolutely get caught so you wonder you did he did he do they actually but he did <hes> with the body because he wanted to get caught or you know what the motivation behind that the other women that I that have come forward that I'm aware of I've just been in similar learn you know political ends with the space booker but I meant and <hes> they the news brough probably thought that they made that I did you talk about you. Say out loud because it was freely in front of you but was it actually real. That's actually a thing and you know then. You need to support people around you to fe. Oh my gosh how awful and thank goodness you. One of the people in my face personal reveal some things that he had said about <hes> ways that he wanted to torture her but those those worth my interactions that they should something that I fi- comment section facebook <hes> and I frankly when I saw that I just sort of glossed over it because I wasn't prepared prepared to even had those so Jackie said you were a dating APP connoisseur. Do I think she said Aficionado or Connoisseur. I guess us what are what are the right. I mean there are certain red flags but there are certain people that you might start talking to that. They might say stuff within the first three or four interactions that you're dislike up. I'm done and that's it sort of Nag well. The thing is the didn't like the wild west and people really say a bunch of crazy shit all the time so it's not even like out of context the Super Stop always I wanNA torture super up but I'm so jaded with dating APPs and so are probably so many people that use them the you might see that from just a random person and be like freak and the not think anything of it you know where there are like. I mean thrown Dick Pic out all over the place so it's kind of just you just assume the words deviant unsolicited Dick Pic I mean I think we're all desensitized to it but it's the equivalent of being like a flasher. AH BUT WITH LESS RISK is you're not in public and no one can beat you up imminently released but yeah no. I think we've all just gotten used to this behavior. That's really really problematic and scary well and it's interesting because their first Sir reconnection he wasn't overtly creepy and sinister to her through the dating apps but apparently he is to other people so it's interesting that it wasn't as much of a connective kind of thing so another person who came forward was actually ages housekeeper who said that she was hired by him to clean his house. In the first time she got there he asked and I don't know how he knew this but asked her to bring her daughter her young daughter next time and she notice all the cameras in the in the house and she she got really freaked out by him and after she heard about the arrests she's like Oh my God it's so weird because he had this resume it really reminded me of Ted Bundy and then what's interesting is I mean obviously Ted. Bundy had a reign of terror in in Salt Lake City and he was only just a couple of miles from where A._J.. Lip So. I thought that was really funny. Who then another thing that's really interesting is that so we mentioned A._J.? Dabbled in modeling thing and he basically had like some profiles on some modeling websites and he was going to some mixers in Utah trying to join a modeling agency there and he approached a woman who owned a modeling agency ADAMEC SIR and tomato super super super uncomfortable and started reaching out on social media and just like having no sense of boundary whatsoever and she ended up just like cutting off all communication but he was really trying to get her to represent him and yeah. It's all all the Huddle Uber Super Dressing in on these dating sites. I mean on these modeling sites also he described himself tall buffed funny a victim romantic violent in a character actor. 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He'd been a salesman an entrepreneur and a writer he survived a tyrannical dictatorship. He escaped a real life crime. He traveled internationally. He excelled professionally and several industries and is currently curing a multi-platform advertising campaign for his debut novel for identity a sample of which can be found on kindle so I know you guys are very interested in what the plot line of this book could be so the book follows a teenager who witnesses his neighbor burned to death and there are a lot of chilling parallels between the subject matter of the book and the crime the A._J.. Stands accused of or so here as a synopsis of Forge. I D- entity as Ezekiel was almost fifteen when he witnessed a gruesome murder. An angry mob burned his neighbor live in the street and the man died at his feet. Sadly it was the last time he witnessed such horror with his well respected father as Guide and Mentor Ezekiel saw his death than a death breath must much closer to home when a loved one was killed in the same brutal terrifying way fifty feet from him and he could do nothing to stop it staggering to recover from these severe traumas he finds relief enjoy in meeting his I love becomes embroiled in grand theft and experiences her pigging portrayal as he gilman must decide if you will join the ranks of a criminal mastermind or fight to escape the tyranny that is surrounded his young life or even beat him at their own game. What trust is lost? Can he even trust himself. I don't even understand what that means Jabra. She's not the sharpest writer in the shed and I said it'd be ready ready made up shitty. This guy is shitty. The book claims to be inspired by true events and A._J.. Began advertising the story only one year before Mackenzie was killed and the reviews for the booker so so bad if you would like to good reads and snatch them up right now there isn't a good one and also apparently the grammar and spelling are atrocious. You can't even get into the storyline so based on all these reviews. He wasn't supporting reporting himself from the revenue obviously generated by his writing. So what did he do for a job so by all accounts he was a computer I._T.. Specialist his linked in which has since been removed. He wrote that he studied did I at London's South University but that university said they had no record of attending that school in London he also had claims that he had been a U._S.. Army information technology specialist but weirdly that would have contradicted as time university so there's a lot of lies and perhaps even stolen valor going on here as far as his claims to military service and basically in the years preceding this horrible horrible events he had been contract employees employees at a number of places including Salt Lake City Goldman Sachs location and Dow's draper office although he was no longer employed by July two thousand eighteen interestingly also I mean he was enrolled in the University of Utah Multiple Times terms and he never graduated with a degree and at first glance. He seems like he doesn't have a record but there are a lot of things going on in this past that suggest something different and he had actually been suspected of raping a CO worker in two thousand fourteen but the investigation was dropped after the woman decided not to press charges and that's according to records provided by the North Park Police Department there was also report from Utah State University that said that the university wanted to charge him with a classy misdemeanor for stealing an IPAD but when reporters investigators try to reconstruct this background Utah's court database said there's no listing of these charges being filed and a piece of the puzzle was eventually solved on an employee. The at jail confirmed that the records of A._J.. And his past deeds had been expunged the D._A.'s office also said that there was no record of the case and this lack lack of documentation cooperates A._J.. Went through Utah's legal process of having his prosecution raced for the public record so billy had mentioned in the bio that A._J.. was from Nigeria so what brought him to Utah in the first place so we moved to Utah in two thousand nine to take class two classes at Utah State University on a student visa shortly after he got there he was baptized in to the Church of Jesus Christ latter-day Saints and the man who helped convert was a missionary named Logan dill and he didn't interview to talk about his experience at A._J.. And he was saying that Asia was very interested in the faith and he said quote it was just a really cool experience. Things moved very quickly. He just soaked everything everything up. He found some instant friends. You know people were very warm and welcoming and accepting him right away and he knew A._J.. As a quote unquote joy and he said that he made everybody around him feel comfortable he was very happy. Happy Person He joked all the time so those are kind of the broad strokes on this dude that were talking about in this episode but let's get back to sort of the investigation what we can't really deny here in what people are talking about the level of possible premeditation. We've got a room. We've got these chilling excerpts from this book. We've got you know the contractor the things. He said he wanted in this room. All of that stuff seems theory telling it does seem very premeditated and my friends might have been talking about that after the fact that was going on different bathing sites to try to find someone with this process but he was going through defined to find us on the right person for the <hes> who knows could be the case because he was just screening women and you know I don't know come out so you know about the book and <hes> like the modeling and and other things like the building the basement people you know why wasn't here. Something happened nothing that anybody could have John. There's nothing that <hes> it said you know the legal activity took action so there's nothing anybody could have done this and that's part of evening scare. You're right is how do you know that these things are going the habit so as reminder this is an active case and at this point in the investigation. This was like a month ago so while Mackenzie was still missing they were exploring this person who was is there person of interest in that was sort of what they were able to uncover during this time so obviously they're still uncovering evidence at this time and they're still uncovering evidence pertinent to the case and. It was also announced that they unearthed a bunch of evidence in the Jordan River which is a river in Utah and they were doing some random outreach with the homeless population when they came across some evidence that was connected to Mackenzie and they found apparently multiple items but they have not released with those items are but with his does tell us is that he was taking precautions in just scattering evidence kind of everywhere I mean we've heard now a few different places where they were able to uncover evidence and that's you know premeditated again and on July third they announce a breakthrough and it's a bleak breakthrough they are still analyzing using A._J.'s cell phone and it actually places him eighty five miles north of Salt Lake City in Logan Canyon on June twenty-fifth between two thirty P._M.. And four thirty P._M.. which was actually a few days before his arrest law enforcement go to the Canyon and they search all around and it's kind of an they find a disturbed area of soil under this grove of trees and under the soil in a shallow oh grave they discover charge you in body D._N._A.? Testing of the body returns a profile consistent with Mackenzie the body had its arms bound bound behind her back. Her body was partially burned and there was a whole inner scalp or obvious trauma had been inflicted A._J.. was officially charged with McKenzie's murder after the body was found in the medical examiner determined that Mackenzie had suffered blunt force trauma to the left side of her skull resulting in significant inter cranial hemorrhaging which would have been fatal so at ages first quarter appearance he uttered only three words during a video appearance from the Salt Lake City County jail. After the judge said Good Morning Mr jaw he replied Good Morning Sir and then stood emotionless motionless as he listened to the four charges against him aggravated murder aggravated kidnapping obstruction of justice and desecration of human body and there'd been all these murmurs circulating about the case being a death penalty not case the circulating online at Throat Social Media and the D._A.. Gave a reminder during the press conference that ages presumed innocent and less his eventual trial finds him guilty and he emphasized that numerous times during the news conference friends that the investigation is still ongoing after spending days upon days upon days researching true crime cases I want I go to bed every night. The smalls little sound makes makes me think that there's an intruder trying to break into my apartment but it doesn't have to because of one of our amazing sponsors A._D._T.. So with A._D._T.. 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So McKenzie's murder obviously continues to spark grief from her sorority sisters and all who knew her including your family who live here and we're in our hometown. I mean hometown but they live a few miles away from us. It's really sad to think about actually and her sorority sisters. There's recalled that she was a ball of light and University of Utah Student Government hosted a vigil on the lawn that drew hundreds and hundreds of mourners and at the vigil friends and family. I'll up sign celebrating her life McKenzie's from Kennedy said immediate interview. Why Kenzi what did she do deserve this? Why Burn Hafer body another friend said I think we're all an extreme shock even right now I feel I can call her and texture and she'll answer? We didn't get to say goodbye to our friend. This person's stole our friend from us so I don't know if we'll ever really have closure no matter what happens with this case any answer that we get will never justify this in our opinions and have to move on but right now. We just want to make sure that Kenzi gets the justice. She deserves before McKenzie's disappearance as much like any other college student. She was really just living a normal life for a twenty three year old. She was the only girl among four siblings and when she was in high school she was on the water polo and swim teams. She had a ton of philanthropic interests including shooting in highschool helping to set at the schools Breast Cancer Awareness Club. It's definitely has changed how I move forward and what I still feeding and now it makes me think about the ways that interact with people really information that I've held that men there was one <hes> one guy recently was asking me questions about where it was going on vacation. What they I was leaving? I was going with can and I just didn't answer those questions because of the exact thing what is what does he trying to find out what is trying to understand and so you're almost defensive with everybody that you mean and you really have to say you know what. What are they trying to get out of men? I can't give away too much for them to be able to find the and locate me scary and the same time that I am saying that I play no-blame on on Mackenzie she does nothing wrong heated everything wrong. There's nothing that she could have done differently or that. She did incorrectly and I think that's one of the things that come out of. There's a lot of victim blaming and it's really difficult for that and I think that's just as hard as you knowing thing that I had an encounter with individuals to be part of blatantness things based on her. It's really sickening to see that I will continue to support and I for women's rights in my community and not spend time trying to educate educate those who aren't open to that education. It's not it's not worth any of our time. I think it's more difficult in a very conservative state and that he <hes> like in Salt Lake City Utah where a lot of people here air blame women are a lot of things <hes> that that they dressed you provocative Lee but they said the mother harmful situation that that if they did something confirms the most wouldn't have happened and I simply untrue that absolutely unsure serve and so I'll continue fighting and the people that I associate would continue fighting our communities to help change attitudes the most beliefs <hes> but the Internet is not the right place to do that yeah so it's not just Utah <hes> it's the Internet as a whole. There's been talk of Mackenzie partaking in Sugar Daddy <hes> slash sugar baby relationships. That's going on online and there's a lot of victim blaming. They're seeing being the people's responses is pretty vile. There's one person to blame for this and that is the killer and that's it and we see this a lot with you know victims of sexual trafficking or sex workers and they're viewed as somebody else they're not viewed as as people viewed as as something different and it's pretty disgusting and discussing that the way that they that the media is classifying them as she didn't and deserve to be killed. She didn't ask for what happened to her. There's one person there's one entity that is responsible for her murder and that's her killer right and even even if it wasn't this sugar baby conversation happening in the victim blaming world people you know our I've seen things in the comments about her being blamed for going and meeting a stranger in a park at three <hes> supposedly supposedly from a dating website and I've seen that like in many different situations whether that be like a rape case or something where you know you're putting yourself in dangerous situation where it should never be the person's fault I've of invited random strangers that I've met on tinder over to my apartment before that I did not that and I didn't know anything about so. What does that doesn't make me any smarter than her? You know and it doesn't make her. You know making all these mistakes and should be blamed for something that happened to her. I've made way worse decisions than this a million times percent absolutely so on the heels of that so the idea that people say you know she shouldn't have done this or this right. This sky was building a creepy scary room in his house. He was writing murder bucks when people say women don't dress like this or you'll be killed. Don't go here. Are you'll be killed. It's like this guy was going. You do kill someone yeah if not her a more. You know somebody else who is doing those. It wasn't just like an opportunistic thing that it was like oh well you know it was perfect place perfect time or being a pious on their weird advice ice their victim blaming advice but that doesn't save anyone that doesn't seem save a single woman we need is these predators. T._V. stopped in stricter laws about them but women changing their behavior behavior if they're going to do this they're going to do it like if it's not if it wouldn't have been her that night it would have been somebody else so I'm sorry you're weird. Judgy advice doesn't save anybody. We've obviously established in in multiple episodes the problems with the media and their biases and how that can be difficult especially here when we were setting in picking up on victim blaming but we can't deny in billy you are an expert on this. It's like media coverage social media viral sort of status to cases really helps them get solved. Absolutely you know it sucks a lot of ways but it really does help like the more is on a case the more clues you get and Sarah does offer in our conversation a really key point about how the media in his case did play a role in getting answers sooner than in other cases and this is a topic Sarah is super passionate about so i WanNa let her Iran. I did want to use the hot four to talk about <hes> missing and murdered indigenous women and just the fact that I hope that the snakes on air because this is the reason that I'm doing there was so much news covers about Mackenzie and you know I I remember getting my Vehicle Service Day in and it was on the news nothing else playing just for hours and hours and hours facebook as blowing up a social media all the news and it made me think about the lack of coverage for other missing woman and why why this is happening in this case but you know woman goes missing a couple of weeks earlier. She's made a from a small town in Montana in and Utah and there's no covers third. Maybe one news story I didn't even hear about it and I think what if we covered every missing woman what if we covered Robert every missing woman on facebook on also pot farmers in the news with that finally change things but that finally help our community to recognize and help all these missing missing women's stories you know there are there are children growing up without their mothers because they've been murdered or they're they're simply lifting their business. Woman who go missing weekly and we're not telling our stories and stories are equally powerful equally important at McKinsey. This happens all the time and we're not talking about. It and McKenzie's friends and sorority sisters are committed to not letting her be forgotten. They started a nonprofit called McKenzie's voice in one of her sorority sisters who helped start the nonprofit explains that when Mackenzie went missing the first thing we said is what do we do. What is there to do helping others figure out what to do what to do when their loved one goes missing the motivation behind McKenzie's voice we learned that there's not really a handbook or a manual or toolkit for friends or family members when their friend goes missing the nonprofit organization is hoping to provide that toolkit with a three sources such as media lists and guidelines for statements helping families with grief and trauma counseling for advocating for victims McKenzie's voices also hoping to provide educational opportunities for young men and women about safe online dating practices us? So what are we learned today so I think what we learned today and this is a i. I use a lot in. Maybe everybody hates it. Jack probably does the cosmic shuffling of the deck. He actually really liked yeah. I don't know 'cause I said a lot of the other annoying things I say redundantly but it's I think what we learned today is that there are some things you just cannot anticipate in in this world of technology dating APPs for the norm. Many people we know have had incredible experiences married the people they met on Tinder bumble okay cupid plenty of fish. There are million more positive positive stories than there are negative in yeah. Most people are good. Yes at the end of the day so it is it is just a numbers game in like we're saying we're talking kind of when we weren't according to where Alexis and I built on Weird Shit Way weirder than this from a you know the circumstances of this case whatever rescues Ryan to it. It's like I twenty time made irresponsible decisions in come out totally fine on the other end and have most people in this most women that are out there dating yes in bottom line is Mackenzie was at twenty three year old girl doing normal exploratory. Things should not be blamed that I'm sorry like whoever is blaming her a woman in your life who respected love has done worse or the same absolutely because this is just what women do when they're growing up to just explore who they are and she did not deserve to have any time or life stolen from her results in the only person to blame the situation is the monster who took her life will big thinks Asira our first degree connection who she reached out to us on facebook right no she reach out to I think I saw her on in one of the AH drinker in Ankara now when this case was unfolding there were a couple of girls coli should've gone on a date with this piece of shit and that's kind of how we started talking to her to get on the case Sir on the episode so thank you Sarah and <hes> if anybody that is listening has a connection to murder or other stranger-than-fiction story. 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"Hey guys did. Following podcast is Lady Gang Network and podcast one production which means it's GonNa be awesome. Hello Lady Gain Community. We hope you guys are staying healthy and safe out there and thanks for tuning in and supporting lady gang to keep you company at this time just wanted to let you guys know that these new episodes were actually recorded before. All of the corona virus stuff was happening. So we are taking it very seriously as you guys are to We're by ourselves. We're not together with our families so these conversations are a couple of weeks old but they're still entertaining and we hope you guys enjoy. Stay SAFE OUT THERE. So we finally got her hands on our real copies of act like a lady and Oh my God. I don't even know how to contain my excitement. We are less than two weeks away from the launch of the book. It comes out on June. Second Oh my God you guys. This book is so beautiful. I'M GONNA take the credit for it because did design it myself and we are just so freaking excited for it to be released out into the world for all you ladies to read it and learn way too much about our bodily functions and our sexual partners and honestly like a little bit of our hearts as well. We put so much into this book into writing it for the past year and a half. We're so proud of how it came out and you know what I can't wait for you guys to read the story about how icon to delist actor into sleeping with me at two pm and then never heard from him again. So you know. There's a lot of good stories in there. Were so excited. If you WANNA go preorder the book. It's the leading dot com slash book. Again the league dot com slash book. We're so excited in today's new reality. It feels like we all have to be multiple people at once. Everyone is an employee were moms. Were teachers were chefs. Were partners were wives. Were podcasters. 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Say That already. Things are about to change around here each week. We catch up with Hollywood's hottest girl. Posse kilty night. Becca Tobin at Jack Vanik. Hello Hello Hello and welcome to the Lady Gang. I am Becca. Tobin here with Jack. Panic. Yeah you are. You're not even Jack Panic. And you're screaming Jack. Panic and Kelsey night How's it going God? What just excited to see you guys. My Gosh your good time to have friends around me. Are you going through something? Yeah what's happening in your life. Your good cool all right. Well do it. Now it's time Fulla good we. It is bad we know. Who's going I? I'll go first good. Rake good week. Brooklyn Beckham is my style icon. He consistently addresses like he's in the musical newsies at. I think it is fresh and fabulous. Every time I see a photo of Brooklyn. I'm like wait a rock to your own. It's a fun life carrying bed or renew. Yo It's a fine life anyway. You know that song back from newsies Carey thought care that anyway old is Brooklyn back. He's like twenty two and I'm here for it. Page boy short shorts. What does what does he do for work? He is Brooklyn backup. What is a suspenders suspenders? Pant a tweet suck a loafer. What does he look like is? What's his he? Looks like the newsies. Okay like a young Leonardo DiCaprio. He's cute on the titanic. I like a newsy look on like a really good-looking acuity but short he is short he did not get daylight. Oh he's not tall. Is David Tall even David Tall? He is are you sure. I haven't heard Short David Brooklyn's way shorter that it. David like she's feet and he's probably five eight he might still grow. Chris grew exclusively in college sandwich. Zach Zach went to college at like five nine Brooklyn Beckham's five nine. Oh he is cute though yeah. He's so cute. He looks a lot like her. Yeah yeah he does okay yes. He's six feet Beckham. David Beckham so I have a bad week so my bad week is old but I just wanted to share it with you. That you guys know. I plan my trip to the Seychelles. I believe my bringing up Seychelles Posts Asia. Anyway you know I plan to for like nine months right so I just wanted to like clue you into something so I got the dress for the renewal and everything and then like I had had these shoes that I was gonna wear the whole time like nine months. Okay I got got the dress. I got the flight. I'm ready to go then the night before we left for some reason I was like let me. Just try on the dress to make sure it fits. The shoes didn't work. You know what I ended up wearing and eleven dollar glitter central from Amazon. What what did you even see the shoe? You could see it but it wasn't about a flat a flat because the the dress was shorter than I remembered. I couldn't wear a sensible sandal. He'll why didn't you just do bare feet? You're on the beach. I couldn't do bare feet. I'm not a trash trashmore bare feet on the beach. I'm not. I'm not wearing bare feet. The bottom line I needed to do so offended okay by anyway. I was disappointed because I thought I should have had a nice shoe and I ended up having a really shitty King Sandal on ABC's so sorry Jack Loss. Okay so good week. Is I have a new instagram. And it is in the influencers in the wild and it's basically just a collection of all of the crazy people all over the world taking their instagram pictures. Oh it's like the behind the scenes in the scene. Oh Yeah Heather McMahon posted about this. It is incredible content. Because it's the the most insane embarrassing versions of this. You could find my favorite one in on this mu how fall immediately my favorite one is. It's on the beach. This younger hotter lady with her older husband. Little Bald Guy. He no tanks and runs this page. What tank Sinatra is that? Just another meam page? I know anyways God if I'd only started a mean page. It'd be so much more famous getting me. I can't even pronounce gifts. Jif Know my it's this lady with old like gross been on the beach and then zooms how and their four year old son is taking pictures of them and she literally has her leg over the guy's shoulder. It's bad that's disgusting but it's a great follow. My bad week is jared dating for like a year and a half like three weeks ago. He just started asking snoring out of the blue. I don't know what's happening and I don't know what to do. Also start snoring lately out of nowhere after ten years. I'm like I thought. Weird a non star. They get old. You Know Men's years noses never stopped growing. I thought everybody's ears noses never stop. I think it's worse than men and I don't think that's like or not what what are you GonNa do? I don't know break up on a condemn your life to a snore. I didn't I if he would would've snored from the beginning. What what about you'll out would have been a red flag. That's a bit flag. But it's a deal breaker for me personally. Because I'm such a lie sleeper. You're so what are you GONNA do hypnotherapy? I don't know I I have been like kicking him out of the couch and I feel so bad. Because he's now this guy. Is He sleeping on his back? No Netti pot no I think. It's like allergy sinus related. I just don't know what to do when you get those nose strips. It didn't help. I'm right now. Even has any snoring earplugs. No that's probably what's next so she sleeps with ear pods in curb your enthusiasm festival. Any blaring with you guys stinky so much or saving. It was a great night over. Sorry okay so my good week bad week. It's all the same started off bad week. I got this message. Love it you make fun on Instagram. You Make Fun of Hallmark Movies Question Mark. You you make them so much worse seriously. Stop overacting I hate your movies. I no longer. She spelled. No can I no longer listen to lady gang because you are such a bitch. You're the mean one. Stop being such a bitch to Kelty. She's the only reason you're getting getting any salary. I it was me and I hate your movies. I don't make fun of homework movies at all. I love never made fun. I've never made fun so for yourself. Okay so anyways I was like. Here's my here's my good week. I never respond to trolls. I haven't in seven years. Yeah never really never because it's like what good morning what comes from that feeling extra confidence super spicy and this was this was like the end of December that I got this and I just said thank you for your kind words. Heart Emoji happy holidays. They never responded. Okay no shit but like I felt good about that. I wasn't even being sarcastic. I was just like I hope that you have. I wish you well cause for someone to spew so much hated me? I mean awful. I agree but like you don't have to be so worked up about it. Yeah it's like. Hey well it. What's interesting about this particular hate? Becker does that? It's not just on one plane. It's all everything I've done. That are commonly overacting hatred of Kelty Lake. Any salary like not wrong. Like it's of it's an overall person knows too much. I think it is guilty. You're the reason. Also if I'm paying your salary then definitely you should talk to your boss and get a raise. Well I should talk to my boss and be like hey. Can you actually put me on a payment schedule instead of just like occasionally we can checks when she feels like checking the bank account? I know sorry speaking of McCain and this isn't the point I I don't really care Kelsey and I don't care that you pay my salary. I need more furniture in my home and I just don't know what to do. How do people do this? What do you mean Vita massive house? I know but it's not as big for like the rest of the world and also the the real problem and I'll be honest with you as your friend and Co worker is that you're not enough of a whore like you could get furniture. You have to really want that furniture when I get a house. Hopefully soon back hearing in it at everyone talking all the things I've been hearing I have been doing things I don't like to admit sending. Dm's I do not do that. Oh I do all the time really so I get a little. It feels like asking a guy out no practice. It's happening action is so I mean I mean I have done it I have hoarded out. Yeah but like it's hard people don't like your style they don't know my style you don't have anything in my house. People think you're a horrible over actress. Maybe and maybe they know that I'm paying your salary. They don't want to give you free be. Maybe I'm just so that person was guilty. I think that person was listening to the lady game. They would know how much you love me they would know are saying you are and how. I need to be this mean to. You gotTa Bring Back Down also. Can we discuss something okay to bring up hours ago? You're wearing this team a different color way. And it's not like a cute shirt at all. Why you have shitty shirt into color ways? And why do you wear them every day? I did buy them where well let me tell you is that from. This is from Nordstrom nor is refunding. No it's like a beep. It's Shitty Shitty Nordstrom Brad. I'll tell you because one year. This is many couple years ago my goal. I've since let it go was to like dress cute at work and I. I remember that I was like I want to like come to work every day in a look so that when I'm running around the office I don't look like this trash wagon that I am. Yeah and I was getting quite early in the morning so it was like I just needed simple basic so I bought this shirt because cold in the office. I don't always wear sweatshirt. But it's t shirt weather so it's a long sleeved striped shirt and I was like I can tuck it in with a pair of jeans and like a loafer and just be like cool but then it's been washed and it's become kind of a silly a spray Tan shirt a like a nasty shirt and now. It's just extra nasty. Did it come with the boat or the Moat could become? It's shirt come exaggerated. I haven't seen a almost shocked her. You can't wear a Bra with that. It's an I it's ironically near Nikolai. No it's this is stretched. It was cute. It was why some point route you wearing right now. Actually she has no like this pitch. Knockoff easy shit. Green lagging with the weirdest cropped windbreaker like a cropped windbreakers slash shirt from Hamilton. Brown's channeling. Yeah let's ugly can close. I don't even know I wasn't try. I wasn't saying that I was going to be q never today that I wake up being laver today say that I was going to be cute. Baggage is brought up. Because she's mean when we come back. 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You're welcome. I'm glad we don't have a celebrity here because all you need is us so what I thought would be. So funny is if we call this episode. The lady gangs most disgust. Because as you know I am Super Thirsty. Has Been a lot of time in the facebook group talking to everyone constant too much comes in and out eventually and Becca. You won't come in at all. I COME IN I. Just don't you just watch C yet lurk? So what I've done is I don't well those environment. I pulled up and pulled the most popular topics of the facebook group so that we can all discuss them so that people know what we're thinking even though not everyone is talk. Okay all right so I'm going to start from most talked about most talked about dating and relationships. What advice do you want to give the girls overall back dating and relationships I don't want to run old advice into the ground swimming. Think of some new stuff. Okay Jack if you think he's cheating on you he's probably cheating on you have to like your in-laws and but stuff is fun. I don't know I seen a lot of posts in the leading facebook. Girls that are dating like newly dating dating a lot of guys like not dating somebody exclusively and there's been a lot of posts about the anxiety of like what do I do. I really. This is an amazing. I D like when do I wait for him to contact him to see contact me? And I've been in that boat a million times million many. She's had her legs open for all kinds of exposure millions of men suitors. I've been in that situation where you got first day. It's amazing maybe last too long too many drinks and then you think you have a lot of chemistry one. Maybe you don't so I my advice would be to once a data's over don't can think about it by because it's bad to ruminate on something to really hope something into existence when you never know and also another piece of advice is everybody is dating somebody else interesting somebody else until you have an exclusive conversation. Yeah dark assume that somebody's exclusive haven't talked about it. I have really good advice. Just came to me. Okay make sure before you start seriously dating a guy you meet all of his friends because you might be more into one of his friends than him. Oh I did not think that was the direction this happened to me. In Zach way back when like ten years ago you met right dating one of his friends. Well yeah the first time we ever met each other was after I'd been on a date with one of his friends like like at this point in my be fifteen years ago forever ago and so I like casually dated this friend of his but if I had been living in Atlanta and still like running in that group of people like he would have been off the table for me like Xiv because they would have already anyway so and I remember dating. I remember during the time that I was dating. I would like be like. Oh this is like I'm going to do this like yeah. Let's give this a try and like you get Kinda not serious but like into it monogamous. And then you like meet a friend of his. And you're like yeah. I want to swap wife swap. So like I would do it early. I would really try to meet his friends early. Yeah the number two on date. Three good and I was like Oh Chris the coolest also just meaning. A Guy's friend says a lot about an RA wearing flip flops. Are they a bunch of Douche? Now friends right foot Bob. You just have them out. Rule that friend out friend. I would not like to okay recommendations number two pop. Culture's number three work-related advice. Don't take it personally Ask for the rays. Don't afraid to ask questions as they're not annoying. Know the difference between an annoying question. An important question. Don't ever work with Kelsey night. She's a real Dick Amen. Okay now this is fun. What SHOULD MY WEDDING HASHTAG BE? We get asked this all the time. I have a facebook group for wedding Hashtag. We have a separate group but I think she'd would be really fun. What would our wedding Hashtag for all three hours? Like if I marry you Jack and then like ours would be guilty. Oh you know what Jesse did not get the focus on our television show that it deserves we. I not caught the attention it deserved. It was brilliant. Sheltie thoughts are sheltie. It's are supposed to be a production company Chelsea ever is not that groundbreaking like the name. Chelsea and Jack put together like it's really not that great. I think it's gene. Okay what would Jack and Becca? 's Be Jukka. Not that no no. These girls do them that they're so good. They're like Earth Too Jessica. She said Yes to fan like Dan Franny. Not so Mr Brighthouse or whatever like Yay creative. So you're Jack Vada and your Becca Tobin Jack Bobin Kaban Jovan. Nothing rhymes with Tobin. Nothing rhymes with. Tobin a throwback to your panic days because nothing room circus that was tour. Nothing rhymes with circus. Oh was it for my day. Okay what about this? What about wait what it's Becca? That's good wait. What Jessica. Wait what it's Jecha could be. Your Hashtag mean okay. That's fine I think you can only have a wedding hashtag. If you've been amazing one why do people hashtags just so they can all depends can tax? People is your hashtag nothing. It was. Put your phone away. We did not have it. Hashtag one person posted a picture from heard before hashtags God. What year is though you know. I was definitely on instagram. Let me just look at my wedding. Hashtag night what is it you. I can't remember what it is then. He probably didn't have one no. I had one CD K. C. Case See wedding right why? Ckc There's another bitch with my wedding. Hashtag Oh she was in Utah Note. How Term Nature Yak? She's in India. She's beautiful in my wedding. Hashtag IS CKC wedding and there are one hundred plus posts. Oh you got married. I got married before people were coming up with like the really punditry faster just looking as a place week. What night is a perfect last name to turn into a Hash? Don't even know who this is getting ready for the wedding. Who are you probably the other wedding? That wasn't yours. So yeah definite. No there's other weddings. Oh my God. I don't know these people I didn't have bridesmaids. This is an abomination of my life. Well now you can pretend that you do if you wanNA prove that you have friends to people to look at the Hashtag if somebody else's right next thing on facebook let me look here okay. Next birth control. Are you going to put on your headphones or no? Oh my God okay. Climate her. Let's get out of here. Kelly. Finish the episode okay. Birth Control Birth controls. Check this me. Yes doesn't feel like me. It is what to buy a significant other as a gift. So we're not doing birth control birth control. You didn't seem that interested. I'm not really that into it. Advice for birth control if as little hormones as possible and if you have heavy heavy flow don't get the Cop Brady true spoken from a woman who has complained every week about her call. You do here on my first three weeks. Oh you asked for advice bitch okay. What do you get your significant other as a gift? Good I I know I don't actually know what do guys want as a gift. I mean Zach's obsessed with like what golf so if I got a golf trip. Yeah or or like. He loves traveling right. Like Patricia is like a great. Yeah I mean. He doesn't let he doesn't ask for stuff like there's something he wants to bite buys it. I mean gifts as an adult is hard. Jared is a big nerd so one of the gifts dot him. Yeah he loves star wars the life. Baby Yoda no. I don't want that John Q. Hundred nineteen dollars. It looks really think that my house and I don't want to know I got him a really cool. Like limited edition vintage star wars t from like the eighties. Let that's cool. Yeah how does it smell? It's actually fine but you know you get them on Ebay. You're like crossing your finger that it doesn't snow with okay. What's next topic? Is poop? Eight votes like advice on pooping. I wouldn't know coffee your coffee or even if I smell a cigarette. That's so true. Or if I even think about taking a natural Atarot make you PU. Oh Yeah. I've only taken adderall. Maybe twice since okay helped me name my new pet. Kelty we needed to have update if that girl over named her dog. Kelty talk to you. I actually like it like heather. Morris had from from Glee had a cat named BECCA. She didn't name it after me. Oh my God she had two cats Becca and Zach I needed texture and she still has beckons. Act The cat's okay. That's Kinda cute. Yeah right I do love a human name for pet more than anything. Yeah for sure go. Kelly wants to play so bad. Sorry all right when we come back. We're GONNA fix your life. I don't think you guys understand how much I love. When sponsor comes on board that I've been using for years and years and years and that I love so much so cowdrey was introduced to me five years ago by my husband because his house always smelt amazing when we were dating and He let me in on his little secret. 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I had a really out of the blue and honestly to king vivid sex dream about a guy friend of mine. Love the seer the best. I've been in a relationship for over a year and a half now and never thought anything of this front despite knowing him for years. Sign ever since the Stream is all I can think about when I see him and it feels like. I'm keeping something from my boyfriend even though I would never let anything happen. I haven't wanted to bring it up to friends to air how weird. I'm feeling because I feel so ashamed. I could release you some advice or reassurance. It's fine dreamy dream. I have sex streams. Well I did have that dream that diplo tried to steal me away from jared and I had the dream that you dumped jared for Liam Hemsworth. Yes so Meena happen. I'm GonNa tell you guys something. They've say a lot that sex streams don't actually mean you WanNa have sex with that person. What does it mean deeper meanings? But you like or may suggest that your libido is high and you're not getting your needs met Oh recur an APP. I doubt that one okay. What's next I don't think okay number one. It's normal. I feel like everybody has sex dreams about people. That aren't their significant others. Isn't it exciting? Super exciting seeing someone in different light. This did happen to me once about it was a friend of mine that was just like. I would never touch them with a ten foot. Paul and then I had US dream but also we had a really good conversation about breaking bad and it was a guy that I thought was stupid before but in my dream like kind of intelligent and then I had a crush on him and then we hooked up and then it was very anticlimactic and it ruined it. So maybe it's better in the dream. I wasn't gonNA bring this up because I know you hate to talk about dreams but I happy crazy really. I know but you have to listen to the street. Oh no this is so weird. No I had a dream last night that I lost my job and became like A. I don't really know what my job was but I grew. Its way out. Hey I hate us. I was wearing a shirt. But it wasn't really a shirt kind of adult. And but listen. I say this so clear. I had a dream where I was a character that I lost my job and I be someone that was could not take care of themselves and I had. I had vaginal cubes as long as vaginal puberty as long as a west of fake hair that we put in our heads and then in my dream when I decided to get my life together. The first thing that I did my dream was hold out. My pews cut them and that was my dream and I needed to talk about it. But there's GonNa be thank you for that because that's probably the best room I've ever heard five day. I saw you know what it is. It's the lead up to assure you stream. I tuned you out wearing a shirt. It wasn't really a shirt but I spun around circle and then I turned into think of it like my long himself gusting lack and they were straight but it was that I really do that. Sounds like it has a very distinct meaning to it. Yeah it's time getting your life together. You're you're brushing out your vaginal hair and cutting it. I mean there's a lot of meaning are one mind. Bikini Line is waxed. I feel like your life has spun out of Control. Yeah like get it together. Get those poops under control next. That was a great question. Second question says there's so many things I WANNA do. Travel go out with friends training restaurants etcetera but Lee. I get a sense of dread before doing even going to work many mornings. I feel so anxious even though I like my job and haven't and have been at it for several years social anxiety once I get into a situation for about twenty minutes. I'm fine and can even have fun. So what gives it the extreme uneasiness beforehand? Yeah do you have any advice on how to ease this unease? Feels like it's really affecting my ability to enjoy life. Does anyone ever feel anxiety like this? I have like a touch of this but mine is more that like. There's like some dread associated with socializing tournament. But then once you get out there it's like okay so what I start to realize them becoming a hermit and turning down every invitation and then before and then stuff that I can't turn down. I'm dreading I give myself a little pep talk where I'm like. You are GonNa have a good time. It's GonNa be fun. Think of a few things. You're looking forward to like if you love your job and you have something exciting coming up like that. You're having lunch with a client. You love like that's what you think of going into the day like the positive or like I have to go to a group dinner worst experience ever but I'll be like I'm GonNa make the set myself up to win. I'M GONNA sit next to my favorite person. I'm going to text them before I'm GONNA be like we're sitting next to each other tough for them. If I'm not the person that they wanted to next to you get and you're like thinking I can't wait to catch up with this person. This is going to be a good part of the day so I'm kind of the same. I had way way more social anxiety when I was younger and as I got older I realize a lot of it was when I was putting social situations that I couldn't really control like right now. Like at my age. The thing that I hate the most is like a mixer like a force socializing an event or something like that. I so what I started doing. As if it's something you can't control say no to the things that you can kind of what is giving you the most anxiety and I like that. If you're going to this forced group dinner that you don't really want to find your little person. Yeah you're like safe thing And I like the idea of doing that but it's like I have like a cocktail that I like to drink and I'm like great. I look forward to having the specific cocktail and I got there. Yeah but it's like you don't have to say yes to every social social situation just to say yes like pick the things that'll actually make you happy girl. You don't have to like people stay at home. That's terrible advice. Terrible advice and work stuff mean worked just as hard. Sometimes it just sucks and you get like maybe change it up. Maybe start going in working out in the morning and like see if that changes the way you feel about the rest of your day. Yeah okay last. Question says my best friend's brother and I have been texting every day for about two or three months now. My friend no way love Jewish often just sharing our lives and stuff but now he said he wants to go out with me. I know my friend would never allow it so should I agree to go out with him. Secretly turn him down. Tell her or or ask to be just friends with benefits. Oh Edgy he's helped me. I literally have no idea what to do. Is it bad advice to say? Go Out with him secretly. See if there's something really there and if there is dull your friend Yeah it's my thing. I think that's fine. Are they best friends? Friends best friends brother over. Best Friend's brother. Okay well I have a brother and all my friends wanted to get with my brother. Not all of them but some that were dumb. Tried to get like my brother was kind of like had thing about him in high school. I think and like some of the girls. They wanted a bad boy and they like liked him. And I remember people came over my house to sleep overs and then they'd like end up playing Super Nintendo with my brother and like I didn't like it but I also didn't care that much so I think sometimes you're like Oh my God. My best friend's brother it's GonNa be so weird like it's really weird weird because it's my brother and like you gross. He's gross but like it's not that big of a deal like and you can't make a big thing if it doesn't work out yeah try your friend into it. She was going to choose her brother. Side one hundred percent while. Actually that's untrue. Because the reason I became friends with Christina Perri dated her brother I didn't know her and then I met Christina brother different though because you didn't know her before and it wasn't like bad blood because of it no as a frail. He don't me after like four weeks and I was like no. I love your sister and we stayed in touch and then became soup though. Because you didn't you weren't best friends with her before the saying that. French culminated agitation. I'm sorry I won't talk any like what's happening. I just wondered how before like what you said. I'm looking I'm in if you could see it's fine all right next question though so God okay. Well we're going to kill each other yet. Listen you know what I wanted to out with something. Well what was your idea positive? No I want to say this. I want to say that this episode was about the facebook group and it really is an amazing community. 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Betrayal in Peoria: The Ramirez Murders

The First Degree

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Betrayal in Peoria: The Ramirez Murders

"Thank you for listening to this. Podcast one production now available on spotify apple podcasts. Podcast one dot com in anywhere else. You podcasts. We've all been spending a lot of time at home recently and one of my hobbies that. I've picked up is doing a lot more. Reading will not really reading but listening to audio books. And the best place to do that is through audible. Audible is the leading provider of spoken-word entertainment and audio books ranging from bestsellers to celebrity memoirs news business in self development so every month members get one credit to pick any title plus to audible originals from monthly selection and access to Daily News Digest as well as guided meditation programs so with audible. You can download titles. Listen offline anytime anywhere. The APP is free and can be installed on all smartphones and tablets and you can listen to across devices with out losing your spot and if you decide you don't know what to listen to don't worry you can keep your credits for up to a year. So I listen to Billy's book on audible and I loved and it was great listening to the book because I could actually listen to his beautiful voice. So if you want to check out audible visit audible dot com slash degree or text degree to five hundred five hundred that's audible dot com slash degree or text degree to five hundred five hundred degree degree. I took the first degree supposed to have it in movies. Not Real Life. You never know what's going on with a family or behind closed doors within a family And you don't know what it could be hiding one of the first degree that true crime. Podcast you might end up on my name. Is Jack Panic? I'm sitting so far away from Alexis linkletter and so far away from billy. Jensen this is our third quarantine social distancing podcast episode separate togetherness togetherness is what we're dealing with right now. I don't hear him when Harry met Sally. I don't know if you heard Alex's very long cy but that's collectively how are feeling right now it's not the best. It's very hard in. I will say I mean as someone who feels really lucky and grateful to be kept busy even with this podcast during the quarantine. I can't imagine how crazy everybody else is going. 'cause I'm going nuts? I haven't been outside and three days motivation. Well just the motivations got it so I feel very despondent very like Kinda real way and it's. It's super a humbling to be put in touch with yourself and your mental health and the truth is the world's yeah yeah there's a lot of layers and there's a lot of time to think and a lot of time to yourself to reflect on everything that you've done in your life so spent an interesting. I keep jokingly texting people that idle idle hands are the devil's playground. And that's sort of. Been the the truth for me. Where it's you have time to pore over things that you would normally have time to think about and it's been Self reflective yeah. Usually usually idle. Hands are the devil's playground means. You're killing somebody though no it doesn't really getting PD. Are you reading from Sir Killing our sanity? Technically so that does make sense. Even if that is the twisted definition of what that is so. I think that makes sense. But anyways billy more importantly what day is it today? Well it's dog-fighting awareness day and then important it's also dog farting awareness day. Dog farting awareness day. So that's just letting your dog know that you know that they passed gas and you still love him for it. I think that's what they're saying. Yeah I feel like that. That is enough of that. So let's turn down the lights and turn off your high anxiety because this could be you normally just following her introduction. I say something poetic. Maybe or something that helps to sort of set the tone of the episode. What are we trying to achieve? What are we trying to glean from this? Why are we doing this but instead of saying something Whittier Poetic? I'm GonNa actually read an excerpt from people. The sappy to twenty one from nineteen seventeen. Where judge went on record to describe the difference between intent versus motive. Let me explain motive. And in particular the difference between motive and intent intent means conscious objective or purpose thus a person commits a criminal act with intent. Not Person's conscious objective or purpose is to engage in that act which a law for Biz or to bring about an unlawful results. Seems obvious right anyways. Motive on the other hand is the reason why a person chooses to engage in criminal conduct. If intent is an element of charged crime element must be proved by the people beyond a reasonable doubt. So we know that's right but motive however is not an element of the crimes charged therefore the people are not required to prove a motive for the commission of the charged crime. What we're saying here motive means an opportunity are important but not essential the why we can fargo if we understand the intent the setting. Today's case is peoria its largest city that sits on the Illinois River are the things about Peoria according to the city to move to guide period consistently ranks in the top ten best mannered cities in the country. Pieria is also the hometown of Richard. Pryor one of the most important and influential standup comedians of all time who drew the line between comedy and tragedy as thin as one could possibly paint it and quote period also home to Bradley University which the top ranked private college. Where sixty three year. Old Dr Susan Brill. D Ramirez was a well like English Professor Susan's husband Antonio Ramirez Barren also sixty three was employed by Bradley University as well as technology support specialist. And it's asking university. That are first degree. Rachel enrolls in Susan's class is at likes Nathan area. I'M GONNA be honest A Lotta Bradley's campus is pretty open and A lot of people have been mugged or robbed at gunpoint Like two of my friends. I was robbed at gun point. I mean try. Too hard to explain your. It's like a city but it's like a small city in itself and there are a lot of good things about it and a lot of things about it at Bradley University which is in Peoria Illinois. And it's a pretty small school. There's probably about four thousand UNDERGRAD. At one time you know and then there's graduate students. I'm just pretty close Nick. School g Season and she taught English class and I had her my senior year of college and she dealer costs that I had was a business English class with her and she It was like about lengthen. And you know professionalism you know when we graduate kind of thing so it was a different class. She was always like super enthusiastic about everything and Very much like a fire kind of person And you know very knowledgeable you know not slain everything very well and I really enjoyed having her as investor still connected with her after I graduated and stuff because she was good yes she was always super helpful nice. Her husband also worked at Bradley Two He worked in the technology department. I knew she shocked about that a lot and I knew she had a stunned. She never really went too much in to him. Susan had initially taken a position at Bradley University as an Assistant Professor in ninety one in quickly advanced upward becoming one of the most highly regarded professors at the school by Autumn of two thousand eighteen. And today's case takes us back to October twenty fifth of two thousand eighteen. The Not so distant past you probably remember what songs are topping the charts on the radio but in case you don't it was girls like by Maroon. Five and Cardi B. and Sycamore road by Travis. Scott into his at ten PM on the night of October twenty fifth at the local police received an alarming phone. Call from Susan and Antonio's son. Jose who is twenty one? Jose call nine one one after arriving at his home that he shared with his parents in finding it in total and complete disarray. The House has been ransacked and he found what appeared to be dried blood on the floor of his parents room. Neither is parents could be found anywhere in. Jose begged the dispatcher to send deputy immediately to the law enforcement heads toward my road in Prince Ville which a small rural area on the outskirts of Peoria. And this house had a long driveway and couldn't be seen from the street even during the day. It was a single story. House with a yellow and brick exterior three bedrooms two baths and sat on almost fourteen acres as the police approached the property. They observe two cars in the driveway of the home. They walk into the House and they observe what Jose had talked about on the call. The house was completely ransacked but worse it appeared that there had also been a vicious struggle. Many items were missing from the home and the dry blood that Jose had was evident and the police suspected foul play. But they had to know more about this family to know where to start and it turns out that. Antonio Ramirez Baron was a longtime deeply involved scientologist in fact according to the scientology records he'd reached a quote unquote state of clear. All the way back in one thousand nine hundred one. He had done the quote l. Rundowns few years later in ninety. Four and the L. rundowns have been likened to a Master's program Graduate School for the high ranking scientologists. And like everything else scientology. The programs and courses are shockingly expensive and they can only be done at the flag. Land Base Scientology's headquarters. That are in clearwater Florida. Yes so apparently. The cost of three L. rundowns would have cost about seventy thousand dollars each in. It wouldn't be unusual for the total to accede a quarter of a million dollars for the als alone. That Antonio had taken on. Tonia was a scientologist Susan. Brel de Ramirez was not. She was a member of the Baha'i faith and would often bring her son. Jose with her to the local organization to practice by. So there's a spiritual diversity in this family but does this have anything to do with the reason why Susan in Antonio were missing in their house ransacked for police. It was way too. Tom The first thing that I it was that she was missing I guess they had shown up to her her class and then her husband didn't show up to his job. It was. It was definitely alarming 'cause she was never one to miss a class but she was always after investors. That would go to the very last minute class. You know never would let us out early kind of thing. That really struck me very odd. That 'cause I it was just that they were missing or they didn't report and then it was the whole. It looked like someone broke into their house and after that it was kind of kind of scary and worrisome I remember seeing Palos. I believe 'cause I I still infringe the thought of Bradley people. I think the university or someone related to university posted about how she was missing kind of thing and then it very quickly developed into. Well you know despite inside that it looks like some had broken in kind of thing. Everyone was just kind of frazzled. And the instinct is always to hold out hope in cases like these but the fact that there was dry blood at the scene caused the police to fear the worst. They went over what they did know. So far Susan Antonio's cars were at the scene so they didn't leave in their own vehicles. They thought about the possibility of a random burglary which was possible. But Unlikely. Due to the remoteness of this home it'd be very difficult to do. An initial canvas of this home without being seen or noticed but that being said in some cases of homes isolation itself can be a target especially in rural areas where crystal meth tends to be an issue. Police wondered if a student at the school. Maybe with a vendetta could be implicated. Somehow after all Bradley University seemed to be the nucleus of this families lives so while this double missing persons investigation is picking up speed. Were the case started spreading throughout the community and the media. Local police appeal to the public for help in locating the prominent and well-liked couple Bradley University's president said in an email to all of their students faculty and staff stating the two employees were missing and he ended his email with quote. Please be sure to check on your colleagues and support one another. As the Bradley family deals with the situation and quote so people are obviously scared. Who will be the next to go? Missing from their homes inexplicably police start by questioning family members and colleagues everyone who knows them is terrified and obviously fearing the worst. Because there's no way either then would just willingly vanish colleagues. There were able to confirm each of them had been at the university that Thursday the day prior to being reported missing by their son and as please prob- those who knew the couple best they start to learn a bit. More about the couple's son. Jose they learn that Jose had been adopted in either two thousand four two thousand five at around age seven years old. They run a background check on the twenty one year old. They find that he has no criminal history. No history violence whatsoever. Which makes them think okay. Who'S JUMPING FROM? No no violence no criminal activity to making their parents disappear so this is good. They also find that the twenty one year old didn't attend Bradley University however he did take classes at the local Community College Illinois Central College. That's interesting whatever. They also learned that Jose had been in the foster care system in a long history of behavioral issues in discipline problems with his parents. Okay so this is something to pay attention to but also having behavioral issues is common. I definitely can speak for myself when I say I've had them when I was a kid. Then it's along leap between teenage angst and having behavioral issues to being responsible for Y. Your parents have mysteriously vanished so on paper. Nothing is jumping out to them about Jose's history but then one of the couples colleagues tells them about a two thousand eleven incident that piques their interest when Jose was thirteen years old. Bradley University. Police filed a report. He apparently had written some words on a mirror in the bathroom of an academic building. The writing on the Mirror said quote. I want to kill my parents. Okay but this is coming from immature and underdeveloped mind of a thirteen year old. Does this information hold anyway here at all and I think that's one of those interesting things that if something like this didn't happen that would be such a mindless unimportant event in this kid's life but because his parents did go missing and maybe there's some suspicion on him now it's important absolutely and ask think that the notion of you know. I feel the fact that he was adopted in there. I actually had reluctance to do that. Because being adopted is not a variable. That should count against you. You know what I mean But I think for for this case it. It's something the police were looking at. You know what I mean like this. The these pillars community went missing. There were trying to deconstruct everything that could help them with. Elite won't it could have gone either way to where it was looking at if they were good parents to him as well and if there was a domestic issue or something like that in their household. And it's obvious that they were going to look at Jose Jose closely because he was out the scene so he you know when you're looking at means motive and opportunity. He's there he has the opportunity because he's right there. He's at the scene and obviously not not only that he is related. You know he's the son so you're going to have to look at all avenues hearing something like this though with the. I WanNa call my parents. They're interviewing a ton of people and collecting information but this is definitely something that. I'm sure raised their eyebrows right. But I gotta say one more thing. I can't tell you how many times I had. I love my parents but I was a really troubled teen and I remember my dad reading my journal. I think I was thirteen fourteen or something and I said horrible things my my dad. 'cause it was angry a person and he was like. Do you really think it's about me. Do you really mean that and I was like no. I'm so sorry. I didn't think you've read my diary. That's another thing too though where it's like every not every thirteen year old. I take that back but there are many innocent thirteen year olds that number one barely even know what killing or death is and to just shit because there are other angsty friends or writing it and they're trying to fit in or they're feeling all these hormones and emotions that they don't know how to get out like there's so many different explanations for that than actually thinking that somebody is violent and is gonNA kill their parents so the more police are talking to different people the more they're uncovering what appeared to be hatred that Jose had for his parents and seemed to be bubbling over. So of course the next thing to do is to question Jose directly and it turns out the Jose had gone to his mother's center by himself and according to those who knew him is something that he would not normally do so. This is kind of suspicious. So does this act suggest that Jose was praying for the safe return of his parents or was it an expression of guilt and remorse. The police were about to find out. So police are prepared to rip out all the tools in their skills of interrogation arsenal. They were GONNA question Doosan Antonio Son who they suspected to be involved. They get him an interrogation room to their surprise. None of those skills would be necessary because very matter of fact and unapologetic tone. Jose tell police that his parents weren't missing. His parents weren't in fact dead and he had killed them was still confusing her. She still after wondering what's going on as you can. He told the detectives that essentially he was tired of them so we waited until they were asleep. He went into their bedroom with a knife. He used pepper spray to distract them and incapacitate them while he stabbed his dad and his stomach and the neck before moving onto his mother where he did the same thing later in the interrogation Jose gave the detectives second version of this story which included also hitting his parents with a baseball bat which disoriented them after his parents were dead. You wrap them in a tent and a tarp and put their bodies in his dad's SUV destroy their cell phones. They tried his best to clean up the scene using supplies from under the kitchen sink bleach and senior movers to try to get blood. Out of carpets. He throughout the betting on his parents bed and they staged the house to make the look as if a burglary had gone bad for moving. Tv from the living room among other items the first thing was. Oh from the crime scene that it they. The police assume that they were were no longer alive. And there was a struggle of some sort 'cause I believe there blood in the bedroom and stuff and and then I don't think it was very shortly after they like announced that that The Sun confessed to it. So then after that That was released so it was. It was a very short time frame from When the cops were there you know checking everything out to when he actually confessed to wake the whirlwind. You you don't WanNa like imagine like what their you know. Their last moments are just be terrible. You know this Mug shot and all the sixers. I've ever seen him or very very creepy. I mean I don't want to assume anything obviously but he just doesn't look very well I don't know how you look at someone's picture and you can just be in. There is that they're not all there just almost like an evil in his eyes. I don't know if you've seen his his mugshot. But it's just very it's like chill. Do 'cause the IT and Jose told him that the killings were planned only a few days before and is if his confession. Couldn't get any more shocking. He then dropped a bombshell. He hadn't acted alone. He had help in the form of his friend. Twenty-year-old Matthew Roberts so para side the killing of one's parents is rare. It's not unheard of. You know it's a species of crime that people who rent what what is highly unusual is for this type of crime to help one thing to go and kill your parents which is rare but actually have helped it. I can't think of any other situation with but I also think it's interesting. How is just I think it's one that helps him dumped their bodies And he like knew about it I think he was in the house at the same time they were murdered. He didn't and that in itself like having a friend help you just like what kind of person I mean. That's that's also just very odd to me. I guess you know your friend tells you that. He wants to kill his parents. You know I would not help him their bodies or or anything. That kind of stuck out to me and a little bit more just because yeah until his parents but also blind was involved just weirder because he probably you know. He probably knew them if he was his friend. So there's a lot going on in life right now and if you're like me you really need an escape and my favorite escape that I've been turning to recently. Is the game best fiends. The best part about best means the more. You play the more fun it gets. You really get involved with his game. Because reaching each new level feels like uncovering a new layer in a story. And it's one that you got to take part in and the best part is the longer you play best scenes. The more exciting it gets so best. Teams is unique and exciting puzzle. Experience unlike any other puzzle games out there. The update the game monthly with new levels and events so it never gets old and they really treat the game like a service for their players. 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Police start to look at Matthew's background and they learned some disturbing things as well as observed dark pattern of behavior. Matthew had a rough upbringing and culminated in a terrible car accident that gave him a head injury and he also had a history of failed suicide attempts in fact in May of two thousand eighteen only five months before the murders occurred. Matthew tried to kill himself by jumping off a water tower and Prince Phil lived but he hurt his arm so badly that it was amputated as a result he was released from the hospital in August. And the Ramirez were murdered. A little over two months later Matthew Roberts who I was only arrested and charged as an accessory to the killings but he was later charged with murder once the full scope of his involvement came to light rights and with these chilling. Confessions the fear of those who loved Susan. Antonio were realized. I mean it's terrible. I felt terrible. You know 'cause you would never ever think that a you know stillman don't do that to their mother and you know you'd never I mean you don't ever think it would happen And I know it really shook Bradley's community to the core 'cause I believe at the same time they also lost a student or I'm the same time so it was. It was very somber there. There was just a lot of like before that all came out. There was just a lot of rumors too. I think one was like I definitely remember seeing one that they thought it was like a family member but they didn't stay ton necessarily they thought it was like a family. Member comes into ROB's I remember that one a lot of that was like lottery or a family member coming in. He did not like his parents I knew he was adopted Which I don't know sat me that difference in his mind or not But from what all is red heard that it was he just straight up did not actually parents and in one of them dead I don't think there ever was any more of of release like motives in that. I could never imagine doing that. 'cause some like even apparent or any family member like. I don't know what what not trauma that. Just what goes through your mind when you're thinking that and then you know acting it out it just you know. I can't even imagine you know Deal he was hurting in some way that you know. He couldn't expressed to his parents. Or you know you never. You never know in what came along with Jose and Matthews. Horrific confessions were also the location of where they had dumped. Susan and Antonio's Bodies Jose provided police with instructions to get to the site where he threw his parents bodies into the speed river and he didn't have an exact location so we gave them what he believed to be. The location after a day of searching the remains were pulled from the water the following day. Taken into autopsy for an official. Id so after conclusively identifying each of them. The autopsy revealed that both Dr Susan Bill De Ramirez Antonio Ramirez Baron suffered severe head in body injuries as well as multiple stab wounds. The extent of the catastrophic injuries may pinpointing the exact cause of death nearly impossible but with the coroner could tell as they fought for their lives and had many defensive wounds. According to court documents quote the stab wounds were pretty significant throughout their body. Their multiple defensive ruins as well as on the upper arms so they bought. Lee. Didn't go down without a fight. Four days after the arrest of Jose and Matthew Bradley University held a vigil for the slain couple Bradley University community was understandably horrified an online tributes to Susan Brill Day Ramirez began showing up immediately written by scholars around the country. Who admired her work? The vigil was held in the Student Center ballroom at the place couple of so much. The Bradley University campus a tragic. They had been taken from us much to sue. But we must remember that this event in the grieving follow. It's not really about them. They are now with their God. They feel no pain or loss. Today is really about us. Those who may be blind feeling such a deep sense of loss Susana. Tony would not want us to becoming rear better to shut down. Stop living our lives to the fullest. Were to fail to be the kind of people they inspire us to be. I hope I hesitated to put this in but to say I hope. It doesn't sound callister disrespectful. Because I certainly don't intend that. We have to remember that everyone who lives will. Someday everyone in this room will someday die and I say to lessen the sense of tragedy or to suggest that we should not mourn grieve. We have to do that. We would not be human if we did. Not but I say this to help us all remember that it is never about our when someone dies that is important. It's really about how they lived. And there is no doubt that Susan and Tony both had lives. Well live in every respect they were loving carry people then in November of two thousand nineteen. After a three day bench trial the judge found Jose Ramirez guilty of two counts of first degree murder in the deaths of his parents and he was sentenced to life without parole in a separate court proceeding. Matthew Roberts pled guilty but mentally ill which is an option that you can take in the state. Apparently Matthew's attorney argued for the mentally ill provision stating that Matthew only got on board with the slayings because Jose asked him to despite not having any problems with a couple before and of course. There is his documented past which reflected indications of mental illness so according to Matthews mental health evaluation. He's portrayed as having little remorse for the slayings just like Jose. A mental health expert diagnosed him with bipolar disorder. Psychotic disorder. Ptsd adhd the expert noted Roberts's childhood which included physical and mental abuse was a major role in his willingness to participate in the murders during Matthew. Sentencing Antonio's brother made a victim impact statement. According to court documents he said quote during the homicides both defendants mocked the remains of my brother and his wife they talked to them that's depravity. They also talked about dismembering them and scattering their remains. There is absolutely no remorse. Shown and quote. Matthew Roberts was sentenced to sixty years for his role in the murders. There's no doubt that one of the most stunning aspects of this case is Jose's stunning lack of remorse day. Two of the bench trial for Jose. Ramirez accused of killing. His adoptive parents were hearing him talk to his first jailhouse visitors after he admitted to killing his parents in their principal home last October. His first jailhouse visitors seem happy to see him. How are you? What are your emotions like just tired? I know you guys probably longing to be letting sad your sorry but I not if he hasn't done and October which is doing now. All I know is that I would just become one way or the other either. Just kill myself for just moved away so I think it's clear we know that Jose says he didn't like his parents but he is in the minority in that most people really love them. Name is Dan Smith and I'm a professor in the Department of Communication. I've known Tony and Susan the entire time that they've been here at Bradley and there were fascinating couple because if you met them separately you never would've put them together There were a perfect combination of complimentary part. Susan didn't want the spotlight but could not avoid it because Susan was incredibly passionate about anything most particularly about her students. She was a leader on this campus. For efforts for student success students who were in their first generation students who had particular difficulties and she she believes so much the necessity necessity of this opportunity of education that she was willing to do anything for any students. Tony work more behind the scenes but Tony was was not only competent but incredibly generous kind to a fault patient and the perfect complement to her because they were very much a combination of fire and ice and that Susan was in the spotlight and Tony was making sure that the spotlight was on her. So we've lost a tremendous example of what life can be when you're with the right person so very clear in this scenario and in most scenarios is that we don't know what is going on behind closed doors. I mean I would say I mean you never know what's going on with a family or behind closed doors within a family And you don't know you know they could be hiding kind of thing and you know. Oh well you know the boss. You know to great people for something that I shouldn't have happened and you know it's very tragic and a lot of people are missing out on her presence. You know and her teaching and you know missing out on her husband's work as well. So Jose was sent to prison in answer as to why this happened remained elusive but once he wasn't prison. Jose started a correspond with and then have phone calls with a reporter. Here's what he told. Reporters Denise rebels about the beginning of his life so apparently Jose was put in foster care at three years old in Colorado and it wasn't until he was almost eight years old. He was adopted by Susan. Antonio so you didn't know about this. Susan Antonio adopted child at seven years old. This is what Jose said to this reporter quote. I had a lot of anger issues to begin with. I didn't make friends easily as school. He was then asked if he thought these anger issues had come from being in foster care he said yes quote. Actually I know that for a fact. I've been angry ever since I was three probably. He then said I've gone to therapy ever since I was adopted but I'm not really good at confronting my emotions so most of the time. I felt like it never really helped. Jose had tried to kill himself at ten years old and he's written a suicide note so that's another thing we have to look at here. He aged of course and when he became an adult he said a VAT that with his two parents working at Bradley University. He felt a lot of pressure in school saying he had dyslexia in that. He never felt like he could make his mom proud unquote he said but eventually just stopped caring about make air proud. I know I know one time. She we were talking about Lincoln or something and I had already had my leap in all set up or something and she like made me get up in front of the class and like show her body might Lincoln page and I remember being very not scared about it but I was just thrown off five. She was super encouraging. You know that it was okay and what I had done was like really good. You know for my future kind of thing. I think that's one thing I remember the most about it. I I think she'd probably restrict But she was also very lucky. Li and Mike Energetic so I could see her being like a really fun kind of parent too as well. She wasn't she wasn't like that strict professor by any means but she was just very passionate about what she taught and everything so I can see her. You know going into that. And she's very passionate about you know college. It definitely made me think like a while like this could actually happen to you. Know someone I know Kind of thing. 'cause before you know you you read about it you watch upon the stuff on it and you just never think that you would actually know someone who would be a victim of motor and you know just kind of changes your perspective and trying to make sure cherish people more. I guess she shown so naturally with a case like this. There's a lot of speculation and controversy and discussion on the Internet in. Its wake and people want to know. Why did this happen? So people looked at him being in the foster care system. He was adopted at seven. He had foster care experience as a young child. Could that have contributed to this? What about the scientology aspect? Scientology's a group that notoriously shunned psychiatry. Could some of Jose's psychological red flags have been ignored or missed completely in some discussions? Susan was described as overbearing remember. Jose had talked about wanted to make our proud than than stopping and she was the one that was the the disciplinarian for the pants in the family could that. Abedin contributing factor. But you know what? There's a lot of stuff there whenever you're trying to make sense of such a horrific act. We know that the foster care system isn't perfect but there's a lot of people that go into foster care and they have a wonderful experience. There's a lot of people that You know not everybody. Scientology goes and kills people and not everybody certainly with overbearing. Moms is going to go and do something you know who knows what caused this tragedy. It's just as possible that Jose was a sociopath would have turned out the same way even under the best of circumstances so in their Porta conducted that interview with Jose from behind bars. She asked him what he was setting in college. Around the time it's murders occurred and he responded with quotes. Ironically I was studying child psychology. I had a pretty rough childhood and I wanted to help kids the able to go through their childhood better. I know it'd be able to relate to what they've been able to go through so in. This conversation occurred eight months after the death of Susan Antonio in throughout this entire conversation. Jose implied that he killed them. He's used very free about discussing it in very uninhibited while he discusses and when he's asked if he misses parents he says quote no not really okay so a big big. Thank you to Rachel our first degree for this week. If you have a story that you would like to tell. Please reach out to us. 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I'm not letting you Alexis consciously I did because he said it without just rolls right off the tongue to leave so dialects at conscious okay. Well what is trying to say before I was so rudely interrupted as we've tried three times now to do the killing at least try and You know there are a lot of technical difficulties when you're trying to record remotely with the Internet. We can't hear each other. It's like nothing is going right for us so I hope that this one works. Billy you look and we're also zooming. We can see each other. But Billy looks so bored. I'm sorry I am alive. Yes barely barely alive. Billy year little nook look so it looks like a movie set. I gotTa tell you that lamp. He told me we had a pitch meeting with the ray lamp doesn't belong there. That's a door. He put that there because he thought his background was to Yes boring so it is. He staged that. Little Nook for this exact. Because because let's be honest when you've been and Oliver listeners can understand this evolved on zoom calls. How many times are you looking at the people on the calls? And how many times are you looking at yourself and like your surroundings and picking apart things about yourself and things about your surroundings staging your background? That's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying. What you're saying is that people only pay attention to themselves. Knowing gives a shit about your background and yet here you are staging yours but Do Narcissism Billy. What does this lamp represent in Zoom? Call like if somebody is doing zoom call with you all describe it. It's like one of those. What is it made out of silk? String or something like still Strang Victoria. It's like a Victorian land that you would get that it's not vintage now for me. I've had it for thirty years. So that's vintage. That'd be vintage for you guys. Since he'd be three years old when I bought. Where did you get in? I don't know probably a store in Long Island okay so anyways my question was okay billy. Silk Strength Cream colored lamp that he has in the right hand corner of his zooms setup. What does that represent to your zoom participants in a pitch meeting? What about you that? I'm going to shine light on the bad evil doers and bring justice by anyways. Billy Alexis told me that you have an idea for killing time. Do you want to do? I have a couple of things have comes from something and I WanNa Lexus. To describe it. What are some the weird recipes or concoctions that you've created from the food that you have on hand? I what we know. You always have something weird going on me. Oh yes so over there. It's very Incredible DASH so basically starts with a piece of Delhi whether it be Turkey or ham. Whatever your preferences. Some people don't eat ham that's fine. I support Monica meter. That's fine Turkey is also good so you take a slice of Turkey and you slather cream cheese all over at. Meanwhile the US I mean that alone would be amazing but it gets better than you take a long pickle spear and you like sorta slice it so it's even longer narrower you you make it half as soon as it would have been and you put it on the Peace Deli meat and then you roll it like Sushi roll and the like the handroll and you make little like Sushi rolls out of this little meat cream cheese pickle situation equipped anything else avocado. You could put a tomato. You could put a green whatever the whatever you want. But it's literally the best thing of every and so. Do you eat these with a chopstick or are you eating these as it? A finger. Food Dude depicting. He's a finger food. It's like it's like a finger finger single payer's it's a finger sandwich and no it's amazing and I make them as like a mid afternoon snack so I like to just small three small meals. But he'd like to big snacks a day and that's one of them and it's incredible. I mean honestly I've done the Turkey cream cheese concoction before it is. I actually did last week. Delicious snack but add a pickle in there. I was telling you earlier. It has been near. Damn impossible to find pickles during this pandemic and I finally did so. I'm going to add my pickle to my Turkey cream cheese. Roll Up Sushi. Roll tomorrow. Dude Dude please do it and then a Hamlin. I mean any deli meat. You do not know Ham for Jack but neither listening Cam grow actually with the recipe calls for I do Turkey. 'cause I'm not a big Ham eater either but I did buy some ham because I was craving the authentic recipe and it was fantastic. I highly recommend. And Billy use that you wanted to try this yourself. I did. I did want to try that and I am not a hey would say an adventurous eater now billy e when we get Sushi. Billy gets the weird into you know with. Spaghetti Times that he order Spaghetti and steak from a Japanese restaurant. I yeah well you know what Alexis. There's something that I get from the store. That's that's kind of similar you can get ham or Turkey and cheese and crackers and it comes with two Orios. It's called tastic. Yeah we've talked about it but we did get lunch. Ables vary not even more than a month ago as just a little snack when we were recording damage. They are so good. They've got to tell you I have like a whole foods and pavilions and gallons have like created like a healthy launchable and I have like four. My Fridge like yen a pack. It's really get it's like and they do one pursuit. Oh and crackers and like some grapes and they make them like fancy. Oh it's just like a mini like a personal cheese. Play exactly exactly. There's also there's also I think like Hillshire farms or something does a adult legible as I like to call it with Melba Toast and Prosciutto and to twenty of these in my fridge. Just as a backup. I need some of this shit. This really del. Okay well I have a question so you know everybody's been binging Shit. We talked about Tiger King last episode. What is your favorite binge of quarantine? Thus far I cause me Jack talked about this before we recorded little fires everywhere all cut up now. I watched it all in one day. It was the best. Shit I've seen in my life since big little lies it is very very big little lies ask so if you liked big. Little Lies. Little fires everywhere. It's the same vibe. It's everything about is very similar better. It's even better in in. It's so funny. I was watching it last night and I was thinking to myself like. How do the writers do it? Everything pays off in a way like everything they set up episode one pays off in episode eight in this very poetic Sort of socially relevant way. And I'm just like it's some of the best writing. I'm definitely seen TV. And I mean wreath Reese WITHERSPOON. No-one dislikes that check. She's Amazing Carrie. Washington. I mean. It's it's your back up. Pack the right. It's really just the writing in the parallels you can see in today when I see today meant to prior to the pandemic feminist issues. They really address a lot of them. I mean I know that's like an afterthought now with everything that's happening not to me but I just you know I don't want to offend by saying like it's the forefront but Yeah it's truly the best writing and one of the BASHO's I've seen a long time and there are parts about it that I think are predictable in a way where you start off an upset and you're like well obviously this is going to happen and it does. But in the most twisted up way and then you throw an entire different storyline. That makes the one thing that you thought was a big deal not really matter. So the way that they're doing is tying everything together. It's a nice twisted web which I always like an a show. It's very saying where they're paying shit off way later. Right like the cliffhanger on the most recent episode. And you guys won't know what that is. I'm not GONNA ruin it. But it's the most mind-blowing cliffhanger because it's not what you expect and it's just it's an incredible show. That's all set. We'll take whatever you've been binging. I've been binging comfort food. I've been binging the office. That's it are you an office by like I love the are. The office is when I was editing. My Book I went from episode one to the last episode just with it in the background. It's just comfort food. It's comfort food for a lot of people in the nation to have noticed like on Netflix. The numbers of people watching the office has been insane. Yeah there's a lot of people watching tiger king and Tom and that drug scandal show. That early car did which is really good. I'm episodes into that how to stop a drug scandal or whatever. I watched yesterday bench the entire thing in one day. It was great but it still is. You know it's hard because the thing is with that show is that it's like it's a conspiracy and it just reminds you had disjointed. I mean it's not a settling series. It's non-settling oh there's nothing settling Also so something. Jack and jared turned me onto was ozark and not and it's amazing whose ox amazing and then high fidelity if you guys haven't watched it yet on Hulu. I told Jack to watch it today. I turned billy onto it earlier this week. And if you're a music lover if you love records it would be a thing to watch. And it's based on John Cusack S- high fidelity of the nineties and was based on McLaughlin's book. Yeah sure Oh yeah. I read that book way back in the day. I don't remember much about it and in lease it was in the high fidelity movie. So Zoe Kravitz. Her daughter is a star in the series about it. And it's sort of. She is taking on John. Cusak S- role and it's a very modernized version. And they use music as sort of like this transitional tool and it's incredible show. I bench the whole thing in two days as I am one to do under these circumstances. Yeah and actually you know what that brings us to because we have to wrap up this killing time but next killing time we should talk about our top fives because they constantly talk about top pipes. Top-five satis songs top-five breakup songs. Top five hundred songs that we should do. I like I like that okay. Well next week we'll come back. We'll do a little music theme knowing time next week so I think we killed enough. What's call it are we GONNA? Is it time of death for a call? Me took a little screen shot of us. Everyone Q. Ready are you. I'm not wait. What time of data twelve thirty?

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LG QUICKIE: The Look of Our Lives After Quarantine

LadyGang

20:03 min | 7 months ago

LG QUICKIE: The Look of Our Lives After Quarantine

"Hey guys did. Following podcast is Lady Gang Network and podcast one production which means it's GonNa be awesome. Hello California lady gainers weird time right now but the good news is that some of our favorite restaurants are still open for takeout one of which is Green Leaf And we've partnered with them for the Lady Gang Bowl and some of the proceeds to that is still going to a sense of home and I think we can all agree that a sense of home as a very very important sentiment. At the moment there are also a very important organization. So you know if you feel like doing some takeout. You're sick of eating at home. Go pick up late again bullet GREENLEAF. Okay enjoy podcast. One presents the lady gang the Hollywood girl policy with Lady Gang quickey. Here's Kelty night. Becca Tobin and Jack Vanik. Let's make this quick. Hello Hello Hello and welcome to lady quickey. I am Becky here with Jack and Kathy. It's like emotional joy to keep the lady gang happy and engaged during this tumultuous time and like I'm out I have nothing left to give you. It's only the show because we also took more time to set up This podcast we are so challenged. Let's not get into it anymore. Because they're sick of hearing about boring or all on unhappy quickey Thursday. Everybody has got to be quick. We've ever done because it's gotTa be worth it. I want to make you laugh I went to entertain you. Oh my God how you really turn it up. Kelty. You're ready to go figure too much bigger. Honestly ask great. It's great. What are we doing guilty? We're doing so many things today but you know what we need is an inspirational quote. I'm no he's stopped eating for me. Every time. Rossum was slurping. Now is eating. I know she's she can't help herself. What are you even eating at least starbucks? Smoking actually would prefer that. She can't really hear that random thing to say. I saw you smoking a cigarette. I'd be like that's it. It's over. She's getting up in an institution. Have you ever smoked cigarettes before? Yeah of course. When did you smoke cigarettes when you dated Ryan? Oh God no like. Oh like probably when I was like fourteen waiting Kelsey. Can we talk about really quick? Okay there's that new bachelor show was near Harbor. We talked about as you know in the lead. Again there is a contestant on. Listen to your heart. That looks exactly like Ryan. Ross via two thousand in three to Jackley a cleft Chin can't grow facial hair a giant eyeball a bulbous nose. I mean it is. It is and like the same. I'd hand like a greasy. Is it greasy or you naturally oily shiny like metal and then also like a brooding selfie with weird lighting and a leather jacket? That's too big for his scrawny body. It's so many things And then I went on while. I'm excited because I'm an early adopter of what's the guy's name Russell or something on early adopter Russell. Because I've already commented on his posts and he has seventeen hundred shows right now and I feel like once. Listen to your heart begins. He's GONNA rocket two million Bachelor nation fans and I will be one of the first Vance it's really weird because I I actually watched the show last night and he is not. I don't think one of the ones that's GonNa make it so he's probably gonna stay at seventeen hundred fans and you'll be. You'll be one of the few that can you hear us? Yeah I just have literally no Inter Sawyer talking about I on instagram. A preview of listen to your heart and I said I'd rather be forced to watch my parents fornicated. So that's how I feel about. Listen to your heart. I am cautiously optimistic and but I also love well. Here's what was the difference. Jack and I were talking about it and we're like yeah like back in two thousand three. We were totally tried to sleep with him. But then we're like no he's thirties. I get Johnny Nas Cute when Your Thirties. It's cute when he's he's Doug you're late all right. He's our age you guys. This whole thing thing is so stupid. Because here's the problem. The wrench in the whole plan were already in the regular bachelor questioning. People's reasons for being there so you have a bunch of aspiring musicians. Getting on a show where they know they're going to be playing their music and also quote finding love. Is the goal like the JIG is up. Abc They're here to be famous. No I know around with each other and get fingered every now and then but their goal is to just be famous. You gave them a platform. It is very true and I talked about that last night with my parents. But it's still I kinda love it until the King start playing music. I hate listening to people. Just break out into a song or dance and then there's nothing more annoying than to musicians who date each other and sing together. Which is the premise of the show? However I'll still be watch it because I love anything bachelor but it's with honestly the president or the premise of the show is everything that I hate. When have you ever been anywhere? Where people break into dance on fleet nowhere. I thought of it. I don't I've never tap shoes. Like guitars played Dave Matthews Band. Like comes into you guys WanNa hear you want to hear a little ditty could mean the payments part but this what people I've been so many parties with somebody picks up a own onyango. We know that that's my worst nightmare is an GM sess- especially to people that like have some sort of sexual chemistry. I'm like I don't WanNa see the shit that's on your brands that dirty thoughts while you're singing to each other it's gross. I just have one more thought in two thousand like one when dance was really big. Do remember when river dance like pulled the wool over everyone's eyes and made us believe that Irish dancing with sexual. I never believed that. I never even thought Robby Robby Flanagan. Well the name guy. A high Cuban pant an Irish Jig shoe a like a Rambo hair tie and he was like dumped at a record dancer. Michael Flatley Mike Riley had Stanley. Why did you say Robbie? Flynn remember when everyone was like you know what I need to do. Pay through hundred fifty dollars to go see river. Dams people used to go see that bullshit. Imagine trend I mean it's like going to see the rockets at least but the rockets are like a Christmas tradition. That you know once a year like yes. It's cheesy and tap dancing but anyway what I was thinking is. Can you imagine like Patrick Flanigan being in college and being like some guys that crash consume me and my God? You're so great and the microphone. You want to see something else. I would actually like that. I do. I'd rather do that than crash into me. A reverence to correction to be a nice mash up. If you will odd tell me we should start combusting into dance. In regular places stashed mob not just heat loss. Like I'm just I'm in while I'm don't go anywhere now but back when I'm into the real world I'll just be like here. I am picking a tomato out in the midst Pirouette and throw that. Actually my biggest nightmare is just talk as singular person me breaking out into a dance guys. There's someone I follow on instagram. Whose daughter's been doing a lot of tech talk and she's the daughter is less than ten years old. I want to say like eight nine. Maybe ten and she's doing these dances and sticking her tongue out in a sexual manner. And it's getting dude terrifying well. I wonder Hung Lake the tongue out all dancing. I don't care who you are. I don't even want to usher stick his tongue out all dancing. You know that there's that one dance. It's like the cash dance and the everybody's the something stirring not as the lyrics but the end of this dance that all of these twelve year olds are doing it ends with them. Saying I'll suck your Dick within a bunch of preteens doing this dance about sucking a dude's Dick and I don't understand and maybe it's the same kind of thing which asks dancing. Senior high to like really Raunchy lyrics that we never really understood. You didn't understand it. No but as an adult now understanding these lyrics. Oh my God. And here's my issue with it when I was grinding up on boys when I was thirteen and like really just backing it up into them. There was no camera where some nasty forty year old hand in Wisconsin. Could you sitting in? It's cabin jerking off watching me from these boys. That's every time I think about that and I see a preteen dancing. I'm like dude. This got anybody in the world all these. Oh the verify that Iran was the creepy. Nasty Guy Mr Felice who he ran fellowship of Christian athletes and he would stand there watching US guard up under these and thinking inappropriate thoughts. That was just one. Yeah now as it opens it up to everybody every freak on the Internet. I'm like mom mom come in the backyard. Mike is fine. Mom come in the backyard. I I've made production. Come come and say Oh lives out about sex baby you and it's the grand scheme of things that was like the song back then member. No no Abbas not my song. Hey Hey Mr and a half up. 'cause I WANNA have sex get get mark on your one get to look. I just remembered the sweat burns down my ball song. That was ourselves the window known balls yet. Anyway we love it. I love it okay so I thought we should have an inspiration. Well when we come back and inspirational quote you know we all want to do the right thing and keep our bodies healthy in the long run but no matter how many salads and green smoothies you drink were most likely not getting all of this essential nutrients that we need on a daily basis. And that's why over here you've heard US talking about it before we love ritual. 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Because we need inspiration right now. Okay are you ready? Oh this is so deep maybe right. Now you're journey isn't about love. Hold on okay. Maybe right now. Your journey is about one mattie right now. Your journey is about being alone. Maybe this is the season you are being challenged to learn how to wake up in the middle of a bad to finally find hope the vacancy hoping the quiet hoping the way you stretch into your life and give yourself permission to take up space within it. Maybe right now you are being shown that you can take care of yourself and that you can depend on the person you have become that you can be your own home no matter what comes your way. How sounds awful? This a quote somebody wrote for courtesans situation or is this your supplying it to the situation. I'm applying it to the situation Oh okay what's the first activity that you're GONNA do when you get out of quarantine go to a restaurant for dinner? I need to go to the bar. Bar Restaurant. Oh my God. It's sit at a bar or a drink your conversation with the Celtics. You didn't even go to restaurants before this. What are you going to do. I know you don't think before that I know my life. Look exactly the same. The only thing that you did for this they went into home depot. And it's pretty much I'm still open I think you can still go to home depot But you sit on my renovation. So I'm I'm not really I mean I have like three to four planters in my backyard. That don't have plants in them yet. So I would love to go to a nursery and get some plants for the summer But I probably mostly still be in my house. I think Chris is not in love with me anymore because I I think that I think that we've spent the most time we've ever spent together in our whole relationship and he was like wait. See how you always look. It's not yours to me that you still think about like the that you still think about the way that Chris thinks you look. I know you. It's not like you're always made up. No and also I think after being married that long. He's seen you. He knows what you look like. He's fully aware he could probably close his eyes and picture. You dressed up dress down looking good looking bad. It's only one of your Mrs Mazel. That wakes hours before he wakes up and does your makeup. You look perfectly like pictures are faked everyday. Yeah like in so many days in a row of like this rash. I have in my armpit. Are you showing him that? That's also part of it. I'm not sharing the nitty gritty details of my life like how I've been taking hair growth. Dummies that are also giving me so much leg hair and and vagina hair. But I'm not telling him that part. 'cause I WANNA kinda spark I didn't just show jared my nipple Harris close up for the first time. Don't do that closely revelation thumb. I did afterwards but I never realized when you really look close. You have a lot more than the one that you think. You have released new. Stop doing those things. You guys like keep it. Keep it sexy sexual. Is your sex life better during quarantine or worse? Man's the same ca like this Jack. She's Hunts House here wasn't sleeping on his. So my God we've had to get creative. You know the from me in the Pantry may like on Summer House. They meet each other in the Pantry to hook up. You know what I WANNA do take out the trash and take a sex in the pantry and they get their sexual juices all over. The food people are going to eat. Okay Yeah but the Pantry. Items are in bias. Like if you're toning of how do you guys know? Now the things with your hands do you guys now notice in TV and commercials. All the things that people touch and how you're like. I wonder if I'll ever be able to do that again. Someone a set of keys something as simple as that. The Mike Netanyahu any show that I watched that people are like. Where would it in a cafe in a like with anybody? I'm like WHOA. This feels weird. I was driving the other day and I passed the Britney Spears in the zone bad for I felt I was thinking. We are really lucky. We dodged corona that day. Because we definitely that's where you contracted there's a lot of that. That is a place at a lot of people are going to come in. And a ching touching and touching. We did make a really good point not to touch anything when we were there. We didn't do any of the of the Ball Ping's Oh I think that I'm starved for touch. Because I've had so many different men touching me all day. Like what like microphones like though microphone. The light look like people are always at me all day and now no one's at me so I'm just at Chris. I've Cha- like yesterday I was like. Can you just hug me for like five minutes I will? It was nice. I will say somebody that can hug you. That's true that is true. I hope the ladies yourself strong women but yeah it was sad. Basically says you can't could try idiot alone. Okay well I listen I. I never thought I would say this. No I always knew. I'd say this but I really really miss you guys like I really miss you and I'm filled with joy for one. We'll be together again. I like China. Wait for us to be like in our little studio like taking the piss out of each other and like I really user are may special friends. We are special friend. I know the sucks hanging there again. We're almost through it. Work through are doing thing. We don't know what not without attitude and realized we weren't here for a long time. We weren't even here for that good of a time. But thanks for sticking with us and we'll see you next. We love you guys by. Don't touch anything by RAV. Yeah thanks for listening and make sure to rate and review this podcast. Wherever you go your podcast we have new episodes lady gang. Every Tuesday and Thursday follow us on social media at the Lady Gang Follow US personally at Kelsey. 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LG QUICKIE: LadyGang Live at City Winery DC

LadyGang

24:53 min | 1 year ago

LG QUICKIE: LadyGang Live at City Winery DC

"Hey guys did following. Podcast is a lady gang network and podcast one production which means it's gonna be awesome. Hello everyone you know how we said. You could come see us on tour this summer on the lady tour well if you live in phoenix unfortunately were sold out so you can't come see us anymore and if you're thinking about coming to the los angeles show which tanya rat is our special guest. It's also sold out the only place you can still get tickets to come and see us. This summer is in san francisco head on over to the lady game dot com to pick up your tickets before they sell allows. There's only like twenty left. Lady gang is brought to you by m._t._v.'s. The real world atlanta my hometown streaming now only on facebook watched the original reality. Saudi show is back and streaming now only facebook watch m._t._v.'s the real world atlanta is the next true story of seven strangers pick to live in a house have their hookups screw apologies fights tears voices and lives streamed exclusively on facebook watch. It's the return of the first unscripted show in tv v history that tackled gender race aids taboos life death addiction connection acceptance and reality and it's being reinvented wanted m._t._v.'s the real world atlanta is an all new reality experience with content dropping daily and new episodes every thursday find out what happens when the next generation stops being being plate and starts getting real again in facebook click on the facebook watch icon and search the real world on watch m._t._v.'s the real world atlanta streaming now only on on facebook watch. Hello hello welcome to the lady gang. Do you see our are. Are you guys. We're getting changed our d._c. Late again like on the front palace d._c. Late again well technically. They're all dc a._c. Lady game but if you're not in the facebook group yeah get with it <hes> so anyway we wanna thank cata one botanical for allowing us to come out out here and drink with you tonight after you stood in a hallway hot for a long time i hope three drink s so we're drinking. Misprint says this is our summer jam and as kelly mentioned before i'm lazy so i don't really enjoy making cocktails. I like drinking them but i can't always be at an establishment with a bartender so what you do for a spreads is very simple bitches keto in botanical and soda water and that's it and it's no carbs no added sugar and no artificial sweeteners really good and they're so delicious and you guys know that i am a sports khanna on a sore. I don't put my stamp of approval on just anything there so delicious there's grapefruit and rove's cucumber mint in orange blossom and peach. They're all delicious. We love them all right. Thank you thank you for that and now it's time for up a bottle. Hey sir. You didn't say good week badly unless you what's your name. He's already getting called out tom. Let's do it again for tom brady and now it's time for good week. She started yeah. Do you wanna start okay well. I see this every time we have a show. I haven't nervous. People may ten minutes before we start the show. All the nerves drink as much so awake. I'm also wearing white so oh by the way i'm also on my period so everybody beyond theory and watch actually just in case something happens around. Here wasn't a good choice me to wear okay. Well be honest about what day you're on well. I'm on my fifth day but that's brown brown but it's still there. It can still stay in shape. It's not gonna leak out. It's going to conglomerate saying that i take down my underwear the night butthole or you don't never know suppress the greatest mystery life. Okay sorry thom already sir. We're on the two minutes in this. We're gonna get exponentially more drunk in this gonna get grocer so we okay true. My good began babinec both revolve around instagram and my is. I always clear my throat okay so my good week. Is you know we all get some random d._m. The end every once in a while sometimes it's dick pic sometimes. It's a death threat like you know not. Should we call her book dick. Pic the death threats on the list came more okay so i'm checking my like d._m._z. Uh-huh you like what's going on and i get a d._m. From this guy and i started scrolling up and i'm like oh my god. This guy has been messaging for months and i'm going to read you some some of my favorites. The first one is just the lyric it's a pain without love pain and can't get enough pain and i like it rough because i'd rather feel it'll pain the nothing at all. It's a three days grace. Lurk apparently okay next one. He said he sends me the taylor swift. You need to come down video with o._m._g. The beginning is your ass ask. I don't know what that means then. He sends a picture that i don't see it. That says kelsey caught us. It's too late. She might expose you on our insta- story orange county is literally gonna come over and pour honey in your bed like that one scene from that one movie this anybody know movie. This attack cut the parent trap parent trap then it gets a little bit crazier about what he's going for the jugular he goes to the parent trap then. It seemed like they did in the parent trap then it goes jack. Please come suck my cock jack baby. I'm sorry jackie we will love you until sunrise but for now i must rest. You're definitely getting murder and then my last message and my favorite is jack. I love you more than kelsey. That's rude has some kind of vendetta against you. They'll so happy that one in person on the planet loves you more than they love me. Do everybody wants so much. Okay my bad week and i have visuals for my bad autoweek. Honestly i'm so proud of jack like when we started lady gang. She didn't really understand producing a show bo shows this weekend. He brought props love proc. I just like i'm just you don't need to take them behind the curtain so much right now. I know a fourth wall okay. I got tagged in an instagram photo. What no no i will do and if you guys have been listening to leading for awhile you know that there is a lot of controversy surrounding our knees. I don't know why but people have opinions about our knees. Mostly kelty's people be crazy but they're mostly mostly coming from prison inmates that have nothing else to talk about about so i get tagged in an instagram post. It's like this. It's like a reposted my outfit pick on my goal. Maybe it's from one of the brands i was wearing. I go to read the comment. I love you. Jack vinick and you're leading very much but your knee. I worry about you're need it. Resembles balls zoom in a little bit zooms comes in a little bit more then it looks like a face then a balzac and then balls so this is a very nice instagram posts and i'm like you know what i wanna. Printout turns out of visual for the show go to print it off in my business center at my apartment. Only black and white prints are on mike no need colorful for full fact then i try to principalities altis office. I forget that i'm like okay. I'm going to a fedex kinkos so i go to their workstation to try to print it out. There printers broken and i'm telling lady i'm like you. You know like i need help fixing the printers. She's just email me. The pictures all print them out for you mccaw. Please don't actually look at them. Oh my god so she goes to print them out. Invites invites employees. I kind of look at what she's doing and then as she hands me in the stack of papers is the most disapproving look i have ever gotten in my life like i felt like she killed somebody very good. Would you like to go sure yesterday. I had a moment of georgia good. We had a good week so as you know i don't often let joy into my life. I always working and and focusing on what's next brings you joy. It does bring me a kind of joy but my manifestation for this summer has been to laugh real real laughs. Oh my god and so we have to teach yourself how to laugh yeah. I do all the celtics note. I'm talking about no. They don't awkward anyway yesterday at the airport jacqueline and i both eight at deep dish pizza and then i instantly got diarrhea and we both had to go to the bathroom at the same time and in the airport jack let me hold her hand while we walked for too long i was actually thinking walked the airport holding hands and giggling and i just felt so happy. I was the funniest this time i'd had in so long and i just love our friendship so i'm so sad. It's so nice to really have a giggle like a schoolgirl back. You didn't miss anything not jealous of the hand holding. I always liked to be chosen so that i can turn you down yeah. I didn't hear that anyway. I just was beautiful also so chose jack as her upgrade companion and so she got upgraded to first class sheet even asked sheet even take a beat before the woman was like like why can only link you with one ticket. She's like jacqueline van. I feel like target. We're not getting into it but this is a lot anyway. Here's my bad week on the flight out. I was of course in business class. Upgrade god and i was sitting next took that i thought was jeremy renner which is like crazy because you know jeremy me once and then. I told them my idea for his show renovation because he loves yeah. He loves to flip. How respond to that d._m. You he was driving me because i saw him then. I was like i'm flipping houses to my my own house him and we all come take a walk through if you want. She's told this story before and she told it in the same way where it was like jeremy renner's slid into her mom's but yet really hurts. Jim initiated yeah. Yeah i initiated but then i was like jeremy. I have a great idea. I show on hgtv renovation so this guy it was not jeremy. He never wrote back anyway. It wasn't jeremy renner but he was an aggressive male adult nail biter. Hello tom do you bite your nails. Tom do you bite your toenail or wife shaking her doesn't this guy it was mowing the fuck down on his own fingernails and like with the headphones on watching a movie and dislike then you're going tao's fingers in someone's vagina later it's gross was he'd biting things off and spitting them likes getting a little nail and then do a little. I choose to swallow and swazi fighting his own seedling talking groff's. That's okay well <music>. I'm glad i renovation is a great idea. That's all honestly is not bad. It's ok okay. I'm glad i'm glad you talked about your nervous. Yes because a great segue cool. I found jack mannix flaw. Yes i didn't i've been hearing a lot of hotel rooms with jack lately and you really never know someone until you share hotel room with them. You know what i mean well. She did something one time and i was like. I'm not gonna hold this against her. It's probably i know what it is. Well i go into the bathroom couple of hours after she had her morning movement and there's like a wad of toilet paper like a child like a four year old who's he's just been potty trained and their mothers like. I'm done wiping. You're you're doing it yourself and then they roll out half of the toilet paper they wipe their ass and then they leave it in the toilet no but this is something i flush it out. I'm sorry there's no defense. She hasn't finished a story that letter tighter sir i. I actually thought that when you're in the bathroom because you flush the toilet like the first thing they when you went in there i flush but then somehow the toilet paper. Just this comes back in the ball probably because you're using too much okay we'll guests on destroying the planet singlehandedly okay well. I thought it was a fluke well today about one hundred yards from here. I went in to have my morning and i walk in after jack. Jack and what do i walk into so much toilet paper but the thing is i took a shit. Shit flushed it. I know that's not me not flushing the. I don't know what i'm doing wrong. You guys. I've been live for thirty two years doing louis c. where you've also a little bit of poop. There's hope on let me see okay but you might offense for this movement. I did use a ton of live here because i am wearing white and i'm like i don't want any residue anywhere anyway. Sorry okay. I love it when they fight so that's that's my my good week bad week. Is this your and so we've been doing the live shows. It's been so fun we love of meeting. All you guys we love meeting. All you guys and super fun and usually guys come up with the area and you're like oh my gosh. I love you guys. I've met some of my best friends runs through this like you get me through my monday like the best things ever. One girl yesterday walks up to me with like the most serious look interface. It was heavy. I don't i'm not saying the one you're going to that. You're thinking of you didn't hear this. Oh yeah the bitch waited to do in private private goes. Hey i have to admit i hate you on the podcast but after today you're my favorite favorite and house like i don't know what to do right now. You know what that's like an emotional manipulation. She gas let me. I think i'm in love with her. Don't any of you bitches do that to me. Okay hey that also if you hate me please listening. We hate ourselves more than you could ever hit us. 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LG QUICKIE: LadyHang Live in Los Angeles Part Deux!

LadyGang

22:10 min | 1 year ago

LG QUICKIE: LadyHang Live in Los Angeles Part Deux!

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LG QUICKIE: The LadyGang Book

LadyGang

22:02 min | 1 year ago

LG QUICKIE: The LadyGang Book

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Hello Hello Hello Hello and welcome to the lead again. quickey Becca Tobin here with Jack and Kelty. It's quick. Wade's you always say your full name. Now I did that on purpose. You really trying to screw us up. I'm really I'm sending you some psychological. I don't even know what's real anymore. What is real? What is is is that Jack has literally had a broken phone one for Sam seven months? No it's only been like a month and I'm just waiting to get the new one. Why would I fix it if I'm going to get the new plan? Are you getting the new one. I don't know any day. Yeah no I haven't decided what I have no desire to go through that rigmarole. It's not that hard. You just put the phone with each other and they hard. Yeah it's hard. Do you WanNa know why you know what it feels like. It feels like moving into a new house and not going through your junk from your old house and just moving all the shit from the cloud. You don't really it doesn't matter all the junk lives up in the imaginary the sick of the junk yeah. I'm sick of the Jones minimalist. I I wonder phone I went. I went through and delete a lot of pictures. I don't need all these. Oh so many pictures I have. I can only imagine how many pictures you have of yourself. It's probably incredible. Not as much as I used to get wallpaper this entire off. Should we try why I went to Dolly Parton childhood. Home the replica and it's wallpapered with newspapers because that's all they had back in the day to like make showed running water right right and and so I think it would be so. What if we should we wallpaper just press articles about me? We won't have enough. You could do of me. Yeah Mashako like okay so this is all about books. We're calling this the bookish episode so and I want to start off with this question. What is the best book you've ever read? That's a tough question because for different purposes there's different books six okay like your favorite book. What's a book where people like? What's your favorite book like? It's not that hard of a question. Just answer my favorite book is extremely loud and credibly credibly close. That's your favorite book favorite book. Why well it has a lot of meaning to me because you read it as you were having sex for the first time you know no it was just I think Jonathan Soffer is one of the most beautiful writers of her his reading really resonates with me And then I. AAA loaned the book to a friend of mine die. wrote a bunch of stuff into my ebook. I'm like more just attached to my actual like an actual and then that front of mine passed away. And that's that's like where he lives. Isn't that book. Oh Shit Yeah. It was just a very sentimental book to me. I love that. Yeah okay favorite books. I really like Y- novel wise. I like Pat Conroy's so south of broad is like one of my favorites ever without her ever is about a a group of people who grew up in Charleston in this part of Charleston. They they call it south abroad. And there's just like twins and it's all about this guy's recollection of growing up in this neighborhood with all these different kids in sort of how they went through their lives as in like there's like the AIDS crisis in the eighties talked about and I don't know it's cool. It's just he's like an incredible incredible writer. Who who I love? That's a good. It's a really good book Obviously my answer is going to be Sean to Rom. You didn't like that. Oh I didn't like the morning being shadow. which is the follow on? So he wrote these like to eleven hundred page books. And Sean Jeram is so good. It's about out this dude. And he's living in India and he's like going to be okay but then for some reason I can't remember his own remember anything about books but he He moves to the slums and becomes like a doctor of the slums because he knew like some first date. And then it's his whole life there and there's just this cast of characters around him that teach. He chimneys life lessons through their insights. And it's one of those books where even though I'm not an Indian I don't live in the slums like there's just these things. It's these moments of this book where you're like. It's like these a HA moments around the book. That just really really touched me but the first book that I read that made made me want to love books was she's come undone by wally lamb. I read it in like junior high school and it was like about this girl. Dolores who goes to like some sort of camp and she's fat like and I don't really know and remember much about it except that I read it like three times in a row and it was the first like big huge novel. Rose like all I wanna do is read like I remember with that book switching my brain over to be like all I want to do is reading for me. Ace is like cellphones. Yeah and social media because you WANNA be on social media to debris will. There's yeah there's so many times that I'm like God I've been scrolling social media for thirty minutes I could have been reading a book and enriching my life. Why my I definitely used to read full barely route anymore but I used to read so much army to and it's hard for me to turn off into reading mode I can't but I'm also someone who I have such bad? Add that if I'm not in the right Malays physical setting me too and then also if it's not interesting to me I I cannot absorb it and I can't push myself to get through a book. I can't either one hundred onto percent into it. I've I've stopped so many books halfway through. That's why like with our podcast The stacks tracy the host. She is shot like she's so impressive to me because she sometimes has to read books that she does not have any interest in reading. Yeah for the sake of the actual book club. PODCAST and like Nick Scheele like muscle through and get through so many books she doesn't I could never I would just call it and I've given myself permission now like if I don't love a book out done that to do you have to go before you can call out one hundred pages. Yeah like a bed. You know Okay when we come back well before we go. I want to let everyone know. Oh I know that you're very interested in this. It was my goal to read fifty bucks this year. I only read thirty nine. That's pretty good but I did some really big ones. What are you gonna read in the Seychelles? Your here Dick I'm reading the Oprah Book Club One right now and it's very very very what is I've been reading it forever I can't remember the title right now. It's about like this guy who is like lives underneath this house. And then he comes out and like this whole family and this time what this is about you know laughing about your delivery but also this sort of feels like someone telling me about their dream. Cute ascribing books is like somebody telling you their dream. Which is my the biggest bet I went? I would know I'll tell you this girl she goes just. I don't really know what it's about but then there's like he's in India and and then like it's weird he is up in this. Come up know what's worse than someone doing that is. I had to sit through a dinner recently with like ten people and one of my friends parents were at the dinner and these parents are pretty like. They're very like upper a crest like from like a very like a fluent whatever areas you. They're busy but also they're like intellectual snob a hate that and they started hearted. I'm not joking you for the entire dinner. They went on to describe a documentary. Oh now for the entire. They went through the entire documentary about Jane Goodall. The new documentary right. Tell us what it was before I had watched it. Oh No I was like. I almost can't watch this because I have such bad feelings about the Freakin freaking. Jane Goodall I heard every moment of this for an entire dinner. That is the worst play by play of a movie. The no thanks when we come back. We're GONNA talk about the best book of the year. Our Book so our next sponsor has been getting a lot of buzz or shall I say bubbles on social media. Ah Ha ha ha. It's called Lou Belair. It's the most amazing French bubbly. We love it. It's delicious. It came to our office a couple of weeks ago. 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So if you guys WanNa get twenty percent off your first purchase visit native Deodorant Dot Com and use Promo Code Lady Gang Twenty during checkout again this native Deodorant Dot Com with leading twenty at at checkout for twenty percent off the lady gay. And we're back okay. I don't want to talk about our book. I'm not I'm not gonNA talk about it. Just we're GONNA be talking about it so much. I think she's going to talk about. Are you talking about the process. Yes Sir I just wanted to talk about a couple of things so I wanted to talk about the meeting when we had with Andy. Tell me about that dream again. No so you're really like I think it's been like there were sharp but I don't know it might. It'd be champ pain so it has been bring mittens in God. It has been my dad. was there wasn't wasn't my dad. He was my teacher and he was doing cartwheels. It was wearing boots. I think. Hey Dreams I hate them so much. Take my mom dream to be a new show. It's my laundry. We have eight minutes. Nokia career therapies nine. Each guys Outta here so I can talk about you so thinking about quitting. What if you guys for the wall facetime my therapist in office from a different room? And you guys are going to be listening. And I'M GONNA be like I can't do it anymore. I just asking. Hey if I hear the word since one thousand is on the beach. uh-huh doing cartwheels with my dad. But he wasn't my dad. He was my teacher Champagne on. Oh my God okay. My stomach hurts what I was going to say about the meeting with. Andy is that so we were just hanging out. We were like Chilin about doing our lady. Gang life touring live our lives and then out of the blue. Do you guys remember out of the blue. Got A cold call for the book. We Asian. We weren't like we should write a book and let's go write a book like we got called by the agent. That was like you guys should really do a book and then she sold the out of it. It was like such a process of like it. Wasn't that hard. We went to New York. We met with a couple of publishers. There were like one was like yeah. We'll do it and that was it and that's never happened in my whole life. Everything I've ever done on has been like a major struggle. The please pick me. This was like pretty easy and even writing. The book was easy until just the last two months in the first round writing the book when we handed in that first draft. I was like that. Wasn't that bad. Well we also were writing the book when we're doing leading TV the beginning. Think of it like when we're doing all our book essays and then collectively begin voice. We're doing our individual essays nearing lee-ing TV. So there's a lot to get give it once but it was manageable it sucked. Do you guys remember when we first started writing. It and I had a cork board that had like ever have the picture tre saved for the day that we publish. The book is a Cork Board and under each one of our names. We had all the things that we were gonNA right and Gold Stars on Amazon and like every time someone comes in one of their things I like gold and when I was like away for a month doing a movie and you guys are like. Hey we need this essay and I'm like hey yourselves remember when I said I didn't want to do this. Yeah Yeah Yeah that that was. That was a time. We're so busy you know that was a crazy crazy time. You think you're still going to post the picture of the Post. Its it's when no one buys her book. Everyone's GonNa buy your book. I I do not like to get ahead of myself but I I think this is one one of the greatest things we've done. I I mean I'm going to be serious with you like even even Becca who hates it the process of doing it like I read your essays and I was like laughing crying feeling all the feelings like I think that people feel like they really know us because we talk in their ears like every week but this is is a different level like I felt more brave going to a different level that even I would on the podcast. Let's just like a different way of telling a story. I as a story that you would tell me maybe on the podcast in a minute you get to explain in great detail on with thought I enjoyed it. I love it. I love writing. So it's different for me the last thing I was gonna say just before we go is that They did the ladies did. Make me take out a very important part of the book that I thought everyone was really going to love God booth Joe Workout. Yes and I sending each other pictures. Every time we'd take it out of her draft of US would go be like going through the book and we'd find the new new flavors that you were trying to fit the joe workout in and I was like this is the herpes of the book. Is Her Joe. Workout US part is guilty. 'cause I'm like going through three have illustrations in the buck. Yeah and I'm kind of the one that's in charge of you know figuring out the creative for whatever and so I'm going through and I'm like shelties King workout thing and I'm like not much of the book. It was kind of on a fill in there. Some fill in parts but it it might have been more when we initially thought of it. But anyways that's like Kelsey like what's The relevance of your work you just wanted to show show. She goes nothing but it's amazing. Yeah I'm like okay. Well you know what else is amazing. The pimple I just popped on my forehead last night. I'm not putting pictures of it in the book she goes then she goes everybody will love it jock. What's the relevant of any of your essays? You same thing you've ever said I was joking. It was so funny is screen shot that part of Texas. Because I was like this. What's cul de nothing but it's amazing? Nothing it's amazing. It doesn't mean anything. The whole thing is just a blink chart because by the way we're paying her illustrator so to have her waist one for illustrations on a square thirty squares. Okay I'm GonNa do something very fun like Jack Vanik Vanik did at the tour this summer if you listen to her true Crime Pang. Has You get pin. What are we on the book tour? If you want a copy of the manifest gym workout workout table I will have readily available they will be printed in glossy mortgage asks for them just to make fun of you know no there it is the most motivating thing I did this year for myself. The funniest thing is when you have like hold on just one workout. I know it's so that it's not motivating relating to me that's like Oh my life Jack. How many workouts would you have? I is zero but I don't need a workout Boo table. That's not for for me. Well does it bring me not with that attitude. Anyway I will just say. I loved writing this book. I love the process. I am a a little bit nervous for people to read it because it is so in depth. And that's it. Are you nervous about your family reading it Beca. No they're not gonna Marita yes they are. I doubt it your parents came to the lady. Hang One your mom's definitely rated. She's GonNa write the Coles notes in the study guide. I I know well I sent my mom up most of my essays because I always liked her like looking over my stuff. Just my mom is the best at deciding if something has gone overboard. Oh in my life okay my life so she she's a good proofreader. Your take this out okay. Well we're so excited we're so excited the twenty for yourself within twenty twenty twenty is going to be the year of the Lady Gang Book. Did you know Harry Styles is coming to the forum. Yeah Yeah are we going. I love hairstyles. Shall we go. I don't like his new song. Oh okay that's it for this. We weren't here for a long time but we were here for a good time by. Thanks for listening and make sure to rate and review this podcast. Wherever you go your podcast we have new obsessively gang? Every Tuesday and Thursday follow us on social social media at the Lady Gang Follow US personally at Kelty. Most importantly at Becca and Jack Panic. The Lady Gang Network is produced by will sterling. Steve Deep delegator Hurston Woodward Elizabeth fake wet thanks for rating and reviewing wherever you get your podcast in tune in for new episodes resemble if you I love listening to this episode make sure you check out the other lady gang network shows Momma said show mance stacks ladies like us trash cast and our newest show with Brad. Gretzky Brad Behavior available wherever you get your podcasts.

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LG QUICKIE: LadyHang Live in Los Angeles!

LadyGang

22:16 min | 1 year ago

LG QUICKIE: LadyHang Live in Los Angeles!

"Hey guys did following. PODCAST is a lady gang network in podcast one production which means it's GonNa be awesome. That's right ladies and gentlemen the New Lady Fox's officially on sale. We have curated some of our favorite self care items for this box and we are so excited. Share it with you because we got achieve. Some deals baby is included in this box playa soft volume hair powder. This is a hair company that smells amazing but this powder you put it in your hair like instant texture in volume William. It is amazing Spencer Pratt Pratt Daddy rose quartz bracelet. It is so keep for your little arm party. Stack and rose courses good for love and relationships. Camila Morsi put in this amazing body scrub. I used it take off some of my old self tanner. It's the Jif Shifa Chavez's very expensive brand from the Middle East they have top of the line products and they put a travel kit in so it's three items from Shifa and they smell very rich delicious Cairo's oil fragrance you know that kyw fragrance that everyone wears and it's so beautiful and it's a little bit spendy where we got one for you lawless lip gloss zinn organic tumor powder and to lady gang items as well exclusive yeah head on over to the late again dot com right now to get yours because you know they will sell out and then you'll be sad that you missed out on getting the Chicago if I'm the guy and the Lady Gang Okay Lady Game Dot Com by we all know that Sunday's or for watching your favourite TV and from the executive producers of Smash Hits like Arrow zero the flash supergirl lunches of tomorrow comes your next Superhero Obsession Bat woman the only thing more powerful than a woman who's founder true calling as a woman who's true calling calling is bringing evil to its knees. Get ready to meet your next new superhero crush Kate Kane. She's a survivor of fighter and all around bad ass who plays by her her own rules. She's a misfit with a dark past and she's figured out what and WHO's worth fighting for and now the Gotham city needs a hero. She's finally found where she belongs. Both the heroes and the villains in this show will leave you guessing and nobody is what they seem. The incompatible ruby rose shines in the role that she was born to play and Sundays are about about to get crazy bat sue crazy. It's time to channel your inner skyscraper. Hopping Motorcycle Riding Evil Stopping headed up redhead because bat woman is coming in hot don't miss the incredible series premiere of that woman Sunday at eight seven central on the CW or stream next day on the free w APP podcast one presents the lady gang the Hollywood girl posse with Lady Gang quickey. Here's Kelly Night Becca Tobin and Jack Vanik. Let's make this quick. Hello Hello Hello Welcome to the lady game. I'm begging token here at Jack. Vanik in today is Katie nightly bad right on the marquee. Did anybody see Celtics name. Honestly I wish I had thought of it. I'm so mad but ricky sends us a picture right before we get here. He's like your names are on the murky and says Katie nightly it is so tiny oh that's the most famous member of the Lady Gang most culturally relevant event. It is hard when spelling mistake is made sure it happens to J. Lo all the time yeah totally beyond say okay before we get started. We are so excited okay. It's my part thank you. That's that's prompt we've had the best summer we hit seven cities all across America the Lady Hang Tours so good and we couldn't have done it without our beautiful sponsor. Keto one botanical. I'm drinking a very strong one. At the moment there's no carbs no artificial flavors added sugars and no artificial sweeteners which means drink up bitches for all natural bitches. It's also seventy three calories per glass. That's forty percent fewer calories than aggressive language line who still drinking white wine girl you better switch that owls which we can see you over already and we're drinking. Spitz's which is the lazy girl's version of a fancy drink vodka botanical and soda even US dumb bitches can make it and the flavors are peach and orange blossom cucumber mint in group fruit and rose and we love them. You know I'm Spritz connoisseur and it's got believing stamp of approval yes and now it is time I'm for I'm starting or you know I know you guys. I know you've you probably listen to our live shows before I have nervous poop before every single show and if I don't get my good week bad week out I I'm GONNA. Shit my pants on stage so I have to good week okay so I don't remember which live show was but a few live shows before Becca Tobin publicly shamed me for for using too much toilet paper. She's a bitch and just blasted it out everybody on the planet. I did not realize how much slower paper I was using. When I take a pee jared. She uses a lot of toilet paper right. Thank you you're. You're going to go broke so after I've been publicly shamed. Don't show you don't show it yet after I've been publicly shamed this turned into a debate on the leading facebook group. People were sharing their own experiences a toilet paper usage people were wondering how Michelle the paper you should be using because we don't talk about got it so I decided to take it upon myself to pull my twenty eight thousand twenty thousand closest friends leading facebook group and see if I was in crazy crazy or if you bitches are assholes so I made the answer and I took all my data and I have created a pie chart. Is this Shark Shark tank however much I want toilet paper gate two thousand and nineteen. These assholes US one one fifty three squares which is three percent. I Applied Elation Square L. Four three or four nine there but sixty a two percent of you ladies agree with me and I'm not getting crazy. Wow Tragic Archer Nice. Now I get Jack to complete one thing thing on your list for you time to make this in God. We need clothes in the store but asking for weeks holy Shit. This is more important. Did your mom make this for for you. You didn't make this you did. Didn't you clean okay. Okay my only he took. Sat's prices mom only eight plus. I've been with my boyfriend jared for a year but we've known each other here tape. We've known each other for ten years and I don't believe in soul mates but we have had this kind of soulmate e sort of a connection Shane ever since we met and my parents are being crazy and they keep every single thing that I've done in my entire life the other lady. Hang Becca did a dramatic reading of an email writing that I had made my parents get my homework every node. I've written everything so recently. My mom called me and she's she's like. Oh my God jacqueline I found a picture or a poster of the main from like two thousand nine and you wrote something on. It and I think you're gonna like really like it. So here's the poster I have circled with a heart not jared jared here red but his singer John With Jack next to it and then it made me remember that I have made out with John. Before aw sorry Jerry. It was a postcard but I blew up for county. Would you like to go wow okay. Mine's not quite as crew relationship ending as Jack's so it really does that. I have broken. Oh can my foot and I've been scooting around the world do we. I don't know if you've seen and still make it fashion fashion. Everybody told her to stop. We met not so I'm at work the other day after like three and a half weeks of scooting and I realized something amazing. I trained my dog Kelly to Mush Mush. I had her on the leash. I put the leash around the handle at work and I was like run. Kelly and she started running and then I just lifted up the other leg and I was just being pulled around work like I was on a Toboggan when you're oh you're not from Canada okay so dog sled dog sled Mush Mush Mush like let's go pitches when the dogs pulled a sled. Mush we we're we gotta get it. I just don't understand the origin of Mush. It sounds like you're making like a good week but nobody claps so that's well my bad week is that I once was the head bitch and charge of aiding and did like ninety nine percent of the work and and then we did a show in La my hometown and on the sign it said Katie nightly yeah sorry. Are we still your bad week from you before him. He's still at so but that's it all right. I'M GONNA start with my bad week. So all the live shows. We've been really trolling the men and like really hard. If you've heard it yeah I see you. I like you're selling your husband out over there and we always tell women you know. We like to make a public service announcement. If a husband or boyfriend has taken you to the show you owe him a blow job tonight. Well my parents are translate. No they didn't buy tickets. We don't know jobs but however convinced the the last night my dad looked at me and he goes so does your mom have to follow the rule all and this is why I am exactly why run this way. This is the man Responsible Hill. Tell me I have a second hand embarrassment. You're welcome Dad's side. Does she have to follow the rules yeah back at a Christian. She made the rule I can. I am GonNa die. Grosse Gross for you okay well. I'll stay tune. They're staying in our guest room. Okay so my good week is this. It's always a competition Asian amongst the three Z list people up on stage of WHO's the most famous and I don't really care. Where do you get this information from the air the most most famous I pulled everyone tight. Hang tight hang tight so I don't like this game because I feel like Michael Jordan and I'm just playing in the school yard but sometimes I really got to put them in their place and I was sent a link a couple of weeks ago that you can actually get your favorite celebrity made made as a cardboard cutout and guess who's listed as one of the celebs that you can get a cardboard cutout. Let's bring it on out here she is. She's a little short. I'm a little upset about it fine. Whatever okay here. She is in all her glory all right well. It's a great outfit life-size it. It's exactly your heels in this photo anyways. I don't have time for this ninety eight percent to size. I don't have any time for this. However I'm so sorry I felt so bad. I was like they need their own cutout so I found beautiful photos and I did them holding tampons ponds thank you. I'll just hold this. Honestly you could have chosen a worse photo of me. You know I've Seen Jack. There's way bit worst way. Worse look interface. Assign is horrible. It is an she's holding tampons okay. I'll just as fun to keep over here. Those it was a roth these shoes and they pay for this podcast so we're not mad all right all right well okay. This stage is getting for what I planned in. No one asked me about this. This Scott Surprise bitches. It's everybody is good week today. Because we're doing five hundred dollars giveaway to spanks we frigging live five spanks where wearing them right now and everybody knows thanks for shape wear but they are more than just the shape our brand they've revolutionized the way that women get dressed despite taking their years of experience and share and they have just launched their perfect black pant collection which Tania Razz they probably just give me a walk. Jim Your High Rise flair for pocket pants flare and back skinny pants. 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Nancy has witnessed to the gruesome murder of a socialite and the prime suspect is a ghost for Nancy. ghosting never felt so good. That's nice. Every girl loves loves. A mystery in Nancy drew lives for them so she'll do whatever it takes to get the truth even if it puts her in the frame for murder so get ready for a new thriller with Nancy drew on on the case. It's hard to keep a secret buried your new. Benji weights Nancy drew series premiere Wednesday after the season premiere of Riverdale only on the CW or stream next day on the free. CW APP Ziprecruiter is amazing and that's why we love them and use them when we're hiring for the lady gang ziprecruiter is basically great because it doesn't necessarily depend on candidates finding you and sitting on the search site for so many hours and trying to like weasel through them all it actually finds lines the candidates for you. It's technology identifies people with the right experience and invites them to apply for your job so you can get qualified candidates fast. I had no idea until we started the lady gang and talking to my husband. WHO's also in business. Is that how difficult it is to find people to fill your jobs. I think there's so many people out there looking for jobs is but there's no way to connect with them and that's why Ziprecruiter is so fabulous four out of five employers who post on Ziprecruiter get a quality candidate within the first day see why Ziprecruiter Ziprecruiter is effective for businesses of all sizes trust Ziprecruiter for free at our web address ziprecruiter dot com slash gang that ziprecruiter dot dot com slash G. A. N. G. ziprecruiter dot com slash gang ziprecruiter the smartest way to hire the lady gag breath now. Dad's please make your way to the stage already here. Coker yards are here except celtics because she's not loved. Come on Tom. Tobin you. Come on up yeah my ask each you to put on this sweatshirt in order to play play this game. You must wear this sweatshirt. Shanklin your dad and you will be staged left. Please come over here. Dodd Gang Dad your skin beer here and get in the game now. We are going to be playing. Dad Trivia hosted by Emmy winning Kelsey night so the way this game works is that I'm going to ask Trivia questions to both of you at the same time. You're going to hold your daughter's hand. If you know the answer you you or your daughter are going to shake. This giant dildo crafted this myself so dad Trivia. Hold your now you gotta you gotTa tap on the shoulder. If you know the answer shake and you shake and we're going to see who gets the most right. Are you guys ready for Dad Trivia via God gay. I question number one where was Becca Tobin. Oban can see I got it. Let me try let him try. Try a UH backseat fifty seven Chevy ooh. That's pretty cool. Okay WanNA steal you. WanNa Steal Breckenridge ski trip a nice choice with Toronto. Tom Tobin number two. What is a DIVA Cup used for. Do you think about it. D- County Cup. If you don't about lady a lately it's up for your diva it. It's a cup sounds like you have no idea what is that question does any man in this audience deep. A copy of Chris knows yeah because you had blood splattered all over your bathroom because of it gotta do. Ra they both lose your Massey's next question the finish this sentence were not here for a long time. I I thought she they didn't shake their shaking. Elise Dream Day. Okay bill come on question number four bell as a longtime lady gang listener and filmer cinematographer need you get in the game the number four where one is Jack. Vanna conceived hold on sounds like shake back seat of the same this. Is it correct back to your mom saying it's false where was she conceived me in a doctor's office. She's superhuman. That's why she's so weird Qinglong. Isn't it last question Western. There's no way in hell you can win but Tom for the win here. We go finish this sentence. See you next super competitive gang again. Thanks for listening and make sure to rate and review this podcast. Wherever you go your podcast we have new episodes lady gang every Tuesday and Thursday ZAC follow us on social media at the Lady Gang follow US personally at Kelsey most importantly at Becca and at Jack Panic and we will see next Tuesday take if you love this podcast which you do right. I need you to love it. I need that in my life but anyway if you love us. You'll probably love love another show on the late again network. We have four right now. We have the stacks podcast which is our book club and official book podcast. We have ladies like us our newest show with Nazanin Nadia and they are so funny and they're talking about real things and I just love them showman's with Kevin Agenda. It's a huge hit. You guys are loving it. They're so so funny they bring in best friends and very soon jack and I are going to be on that show too and then Momma said Jamie Lynn Sigler Peres are there and they're talking the Shitty Gritty Gritty Nitty Gritty of motherhood check out all of our shows wherever you get your podcasts.

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LG QUICKIE: An Amb-itiously Deep Questionnaire

LadyGang

17:14 min | 5 months ago

LG QUICKIE: An Amb-itiously Deep Questionnaire

"Hey everyone. We are so excited because our Fauchon Line is now available at express dot com. Are You BECCA? Are You Kelty? Are You Jack? If you're working from home, you need the perfect tee shirt that we designed some nice knitted tanks and the Denham romper. If you're going out in the world job interviewing that yellow suit is gonNA. Make you so memorable. things are selling out a rather small amount of clothes, so go get them as soon as you can express dot com, and make sure you use the Hashtag express x lady gang on social media, so we can re post. You looking cute. Okay, happy shopping! podcast one presents the Lady Gang. The Hollywood girl policy with Lady Gang quickey. Here's Kelty Becca Tobin and Jack Vanik. Let's make this quick. Action Kelsey here now you're like. Director of. That was almost Atta Nancy Odell. level. That was A. Believable okay. Hello Hello Hello was timing timer, and so when I pressed the time I said action. I hadn't looked up to see if we were ready. You look at the time on your computer. Yes, I don't have the time available on my computer. I don't have that option available at this just always there, but no, it's not. It's not there. On, your on your on your bookmarks yet? I'm. Winter next year batter mine, Anti Lock Oh. It's because I have mine is view as analog? Actual clock face I'm GonNa Change that view as digital. What Game Changer Sorry Oh my God. Are we gonNA leave all this in? Yes, we're leaving it in, so they can enter looking inner workings of lady and Enter Looking Inter looking. Okay. We're very well welcome to the lady quick. We're off to the races. Here with Kelly and Jack. and. WOW WHAT WE'RE! We're on this morning. I just took off the CBD Patch. A period patch. No, no, no, it's just like a patch like a nicotine patch, but apparently it delivers CBD Te'o to head. You feel any different I. Don't know I'm not sure yet. I'll keep you posted. Let me start again. No. He it's not it's not thc. Bummer, but are you okay? Just relax I know, but do you feel like for me? I never feel relaxed. The tincture CBD's really worked for me for bed. I gotta be honest like the droplets that I can tell a humongous difference huge only God one of the highest time ever been in my life is when I did the tincture THC. It's I ask I'm like. Give me something that's like an Ambien but like a weed. Mba's like this will do it and I take it, and I don't feel anything for like three hours because it takes so long and then three hours later. I feel like I'm in the universe. Zooming around having the worst high of my life, and then just wide awake and I was like you guy. And I. Tell You the best ambience story I've ever heard in my life. Yes, we have couples friends that they love when they leave their kids to go to a hotel, have a lovely night together, and then take an Ambien and then have sex on Ambien. Oh, yeah! They're so fun, apparently on scares me for so many reasons because you don't remember, it's like sleepwalking essentially. Yeah, so our friends who shall rename? Remain nameless. They went one time to. They were at her parents, her parents house, and they decided for some reason to take an Ambien that night, weird, weird, first of all, but they did a role play, and they go numbered that hugh many levels for apparent house sex I know yes, they did a role play. And it was that she was home to a CIA. She's in her childhood bedroom. She'd come home because her dad had died. What. A high school sweetheart who came to like check in on the family, and she said they had this whole dialogue about like being in her childhood bed in its own still just. This is the Kinda Shit? You do on Ambien though for sure. For sure and you're like when you do it. You're like this is going to be. Like, for their lucky that they didn't like walkout naked into the kitchen to get some with cream or something. That's what I don't understand so I'm too afraid I'm never ever. I could touch ambien for many reasons, and apparently it like really works like. On women. Oh really yeah my. Dad knows this a tiny in Atlanta who took an Ambien on an airplane and she woke up to being kicked off. The flight crashed. Apparently she had found a cigarette somewhere. She doesn't smoke and she started smoking on the airplane. No Way. One time jeered took an Ambien I. don't know if as ambient for it was like like anxiety, but anyways he had like an anxiety attack, and then went into the bathroom, had to strip naked and was sweating. Room for? Then scared to leave so just like stayed there for like. I haven't audience. Ambiance, airport story so when I used to judge dance competitions on the weekend like when I was Kinda between jobs we'd fly in in coach on like some of the worst flights in America, because you were always going to like wichita like it was like a small town here unlike a junkie plane and we fly and I used to bring my. Pillow with me because I used to fly a lot of like red is on Thursday nights that I could judge on Friday morning and I would like take an ambiance. I could sleep the whole way and just get over this flight. And one time I remember when I remember anything about it. But I remember taking Ambien and then, and then waking up and when I woke up in the morning, the other judge from California. This girl Nikki was lake. That was crazy. Like. And like everyone around me was like staring at me like crazy, so turns out I. don't even know the details because I heard it in a story, but I had some kind of meltdown on the Ambien in the mode of flight, was like screaming and yelling and like so crazy, then like calm down, and like have no recollection of it whatsoever. Didn't that happen with Salma? Blair on an airplane like she started screaming and having like a big out versus with several years ago, and it was like because of an Ambien Dude. Beyond makes you do weird. Twisted, it is, it's like it kind of just like takes you out of this reality tons my worst nightmare. It's Kinda like when I had to go under for my egg retrieval and they give you propofol like as down. Yeah, you calm you down, but. It's the greatest feeling. It is incredible, but but the thing about Ambien is. It reminds me of going under anesthesia. Where when you wake up, you have no idea what you say you just like stream of consciousness, or like some weird dark pockets of your brain, and then you divulge information like. I love going under anesthesia because the profile, but I'm I'm also so paranoid about what I'm going to say coming out on the other side because you don't remember. Do you remember when we filmed it for? And that's the thing. Is that in my mind I was watching. Kelty tell Dr Diamond on my God anesthesia that he was so gorgeous and hot and I thought for sure she would remember that. No, no memory memorable. You know I think that that's like a good representation of the fact that like it is your innermost honest thoughts that come out clean. It's true he's a babe. Don't mean the lie. Yeah, lines there I want if any of the lady Ganger work in medicine. In surgeries like nurses anesthesiologist your doctors. We please tell us the craziest shit. People have admitted coming out of anesthesia. Something I'm so fascinated by. Is there a trick for you. If you're going under anesthesia to make sure you don't say, anything can crazy coming out 'cause that makes me nervous Zach filmed. What you've said well. They don't actually they normally don't let them steal your away until you're. Probably, because of that probably GonNa like admitted fairs and stuff like and be like I. don't even want you anymore I think that's probably what would happen. Nobody needs to know the deep recesses of our minds, because it's all bad, but I will say Kelsey when you coming out of anesthesia, you looked at me and told me that I was so pretty and I. Now believe you every time you tell me I'm pretty because I, guess so you didn't tell was pretty me. Dark. So dark so dark all right? 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It's so nice in the sun, and it's great because it doesn't matter if you have equipment or not, they can cater workout plan to you so if you want to check out fit body and get a personalized fitness plan that helps you work out smarter GONNA fit body, dot me, Slash Lady! Try It for free for one month. When you sign up today at fit body, dot me, slash lady. That's one free month when you sign up at fit body, dot me, slash lady. Lady get. All right we're back. I found so you know a few weeks ago. Talking about redoing my pinterest Oh. My God. This is the one when you found all those pictures. Inappropriately posted yes, so I found but I also started a board called like things, related gang, or whatever and I found like a really good tile that was like forty deep questions to get to know yourself and find your life purpose. Oh, I'm going to help you guys find your. Life purpose gray. So here's the first one. What small gesture from stranger made a big impact on you stranger while you is think I'll tell you mine because I already looked at this I knew what I was going to. One of those out. I didn't think about it all right now. Thanks, you're so pretty Maybe Nicer to me, Jack I. Say more. Anesthesia. Anesthesia. In tax defense I was in healthy face like I was right in front of her face. I'm just kidding. I'm not kidding, but it's fine. Off so I remember when I was like very very young and my mom had a big pontiac like Brown. The cars in the eighties were just like so bomb. Yes. Trunk and the front was just like yeah, a car. And she took me to dance workshop or something in the city, which is like an hour outside of where I grew up, and I remember US running out of gas, and we pulled over from the site on the side of the road, and we had no gas and we couldn't get home. and. I from my childhood, like five year old memory, a friend of hers pulled over, and she was like Oh friend and the friend was like. Do you need a ride? And we were like? Yes, and then friend drove home. And then later in my life I realized that that was a stranger like that wasn't a friend. Just driving down the highway was like someone saw this woman and this kid, clearly out of gas or needed help, hold over and was like Oh my God you need help and then I remembered so I always thought about that growing up, and then when I was in high school I was driving home from my job at joey tomatoes, being a waitress and I remember seeing woman who's Mar.. Mar The batter clearly died or something. She was like on the side of the road, and I pulled over as do you need a ride front? And she had a kid, and like I gave her to the house, and I always remember like that kid isn't going to be scared. Because of the kindness of strangers, but I learnt that action by being having someone, a stranger helped me and my mom when I was very young. That's if you want abducted child. Just say hello friend. That is we're getting my van. I Have Candy Small Town though SM. Towns is when we're those things happen. Anyway is nice. Small gesture from a stranger that made a big impact in La if you pull up to and say hello, friend immediately like career alarm. Or they think they're on like cash, cab or something. Yeah, I do I need to sign a release? I don't think I've had any like Super Nice adjusters. Not by strangers I. Don't think that I've like impacted me. one. No, no usually people have to. Help me because they want something. So dark. What makes you feel most alive? ooh! Laughing when you're with friends or your family and something truly hilarious happens, and everybody just can barely breathe. They're laughing so hard. That is like my favorite feeling in the whole world. It's usually with my sister because we have we find the same exact things funny because when you share like A. When you share a childhood, you find all the same kinds of people and things funny where no. Where like other people would be like. That's not funny at all, so then I can like laugh like that with her usually. mine would be driving pch windows down blasting. Florida Georgia Line or Florida Georgia line I just have had so many moments in my life where it's either I'm like really down or celebrating something, and I can always remember driving pch like looking at the ocean wind in my hair, and that's a wonderful moment. Nice Kelty, what you're so good I think when I'm in nature. I've said this before like. I just love being like an ocean. That's very crystal blue and I'm like just floating may have an idea for our our trip. Yes, it's so good. Lake Powell. Have you heard of it? No, yes, in Utah. Canadian I don't know she doesn't know where the ocean is. It, we should do an RV trip. They have these luxury sprinter. RV's. And we should take into Lake Powell and it's crystal clear water it literally looks other worldly, and you can, or you can do a houseboat on Lake Powell yes, which is sounds so fun. Okay, so we'RE GONNA wind. Let's do it. We're doing the VIBE. That's what we're doing. Yeah, that's great. Yeah! I was GONNA. Say in my drive bag. I just got two nights Punta. Mita, for free in your what Bear Miami Gag? Gift Bag, I don't want to be on a flair I know. I know but for later okay, can we drive to lake, Powell? Yeah, it's like eight hours or something you. Drive the I don't think. We can probably just do cars if we're doing a houseboat once we get there. Yeah, all right. This is boring. We're not gonNA, and if anyone has any tips for us, please DM. Does anyone a houseboat on lake our? Yacht we can borrow. There are still houseboats. Okay, WE'RE GONNA. Look into it fabulous by a right now that we have a plan. We have to go and make our plans Texas. At ten PM on a Saturday, Kelsey. Okay, I won't. I was on Ambien. I'm sorry. Okay. We weren't here for a long time, but we're here for a really good. Time, Raucous, by thanks for listening and make sure to rate and review this podcast. Wherever you go your podcast. We have new episodes of Lady Gang. Every Tuesday Thursday follow us on social media at the lady. Gang follow US personally at Kelty most importantly at Becca and at Jack Panic. The lady gang networks produced by will sterling Steve delegator hurston Woodward and Elizabeth. Fake wet thanks for rating and reviewing wherever you get your podcast and tune in for new episodes simple week. Well closer related podcast. My name is Carl Bible in my name is Amanda Bible and beer, t sisters that are obsessed with inner outer beauty and everything in between we hope through inspiring with bringing behind the scenes stuff all things related to our lives, and nothing is off limits. 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LG QUICKIE: Allegedly Wassa Happening Really Quick #2

LadyGang

21:03 min | 4 months ago

LG QUICKIE: Allegedly Wassa Happening Really Quick #2

"Hey guys did following podcast is a lady gang, network and podcast one production, which means it's GonNa. Be, awesome? Hello, everyone, it's me your most fashionable befriend Kelty, reminding you that we laid again collection at express. That's right. We're on a billboard in Times Square right now, so the collection is only available. Online is not available in stores. You can only order online at express dot com. Some of our favorite styles are already sold out so make sure to run over there. The suit sats are so cute. There's an amazing woven knit tank. We made the perfect tee shirt. Rampers and dresses, and even if you're working from home right now, just know that if you invest in that white suit that beckons wearing the white skirt with a white blazer. You're going to wear that when we get out of quarantine, the pieces are so great. We Love them so much, and they're designed by US so hot to express dot com right now to check out the lady gang line. Linking podcast. One presents the lady game. The Hollywood girl policy with Lady Gang quickey here's Kelty Night Becca Tobin and Jack Van. Let's make this quick. Hello Hello. Hello welcome to the Lady Gang quickey. I am Becca here. Jack and Kelty and Orleans squeaking her dog toy. Right on command. You guys like five minutes before we started doing this podcast. My fire alarm decided to batteries. Okay, they only me and then when you try to change the batteries, then it goes. And I'm like this would happen right as we start recording yet. Didn't we always fire alarm? Go off our. And the girls and the girls were like I thought it was my fire alarm. Hear it, but that's because I'm just so in my own head. Now, so, today is a very exciting day here on this lady game quickey. It's an allegedly what's happening quick? Allegedly what's happening quick? Quick quickly. Here's what's happening quickly. I think as quickly. Correct Person So i. have put together some very big news. Oh can't wait. And we're GONNA talk about some of these things that have happened the first one. Is Game Changer okay. So, okay, see! Have you ever had one of those shoe organizers that you can either hang in your closet or hangs on the back of your door, and it's like a piece of canvas, and it has all classic couches, says yes. So we've used these for shoes. Some small ones for jewelry, etc. This woman online has found a new use for it and showed a picture of it on the back of her door in her bedroom, and it's just all her sex twice. I knew it. I knew it I was GONNA scream out dildo but I didn't WanNa ruin the conversation. It's like vibrators. One row like dildos, one roll like anal beads one row, and it's like they're all organized. Their color coordinated. It's. Like, are we? We have a label maker. Going on a say, she doesn't seem to have a label maker, but that should be hacked. Amazon purchase, but I thought it was amazing and. Like, you go girl, she's got every single. Because you know, there's so many times I'm having sex, and like I'm in the middle of it, and then I was like wait. I WANNA. I want one of my things and then I'm like. Where did I leave them lasting? Mike! I'm looking through the drawers and I'm like wait in the soccer or no. My parents were in town, so I had them in the safe like. It's thing is her bedroom. Like is on the back of her bedroom door at, and she's single I have no idea. I have some questions because like if she was single and she. Just walked in and sees this door oh fun. Then like I mean the best. That would be any man's best night of his life. Yeah. This is reminding me of when I posted on instagram my infrared sleeping bag. Oh, my God! Does it work as I? Really want one. Yeah works like a mother skirts like a sweat my balls off. Our. Does this sweat go? It seems grow okay well. This is like the number one question people ask me like, but does it get gross I'm like? Do you think that they have not thought about this? Like? What are you win? Bag First of all it's it's the material is kind of like a really heavy duty raft. Plastic of Berry Thick plastic. Also wearing sweats. You're not supposed to naked. It'll burn your body. It's it's kind of like a giant heating pad, but It's when you go to shape when you sweat like I saw you and your sweat pants and sweat mark. So where does that sweat go? It just goes onto the raft here and you wipe it out or so easy to wipe out like it's like there's there's. It's like a plastic that you just do a simple wiped on. It's like about place shape house like Jack. Just said it's the same. Like sleeping bags that they use, but it's great and I. Just my balls off, but I think about the woman sex toys and how? That's a great material. That plastic material in those shootings. Yeah, it's very anti microbial. was going to say like. God forbid one wasn't really cleaned off. Correctly, like at least you have them in separate little situation. A little SCHMUCK, mom like this one might be. The one that goes in my, but to touch the one that goes in my jj or I'm going to get you TI contaminate. Mext next topic big news, guys. So now that we are New York Times bestselling authors, but also Toronto Star, bestselling author. I saw this I'm thinking about nominating myself to be on the Canada. Walk of fame. With Ryan Philipe Ryan Gosling Alan, Thicke and like a bunch of hockey players, so here's the thing I feel like. The Canadian fame is way easier to get on definitely set wage. Rude, it's definitely cheaper. Do you have to pay for it? The same thing as you do for the walk of information is not available of what you need to pay, but you they get between like one hundred hundred and fifty nominations a year, and then like a team figures it out, and like decides who's going to be on the walk of fame, but here's the kicker. Allegedly, the Canadian walk of fame, stars get really beat up because of the heat in the summer and the cold in the winter, so like I was researching and I was looking at all the stars, and they are like dumpster trash stars like they have not found the right concrete for these stars and I feel like that's very brand for me. That'll be just a little bit Janke so I was wondering. If you guys would support me in my quest, because you know, my quest is to be a come run of Hello magazine Hello. Canada, magazines, most beautiful, Canadians, and I've never gotten a because. I'm not beautiful. Why does their stars look like a SPLAT. It does look splat right. Where are these and we got? It looks like a shirt there in Toronto. Don't be into my start anyway. Will you guys come with me I? Will have you be one of the speakers? When I got my star a G, they haven't been years. Is it like a? Is it a ceremony? Yeah, it's a ceremony Oh my God, whose dislike it Kinda reminds me of how there's like a walk of fame in Palm Springs. Have you ever seen? I'll take any walk of fame. You can if I saw. My mom is like saying that she's ready to move to. Canada wants to buy a house in Montreal she loves Montreal. She buys a house of Montreal. Does that make me? Abby doused it. Sure doesn't. All right we should do you and I should get stars on the Canadian walk of fame. He would. Flipper Shit! I mean my great grandmother was French Canadian so like I'm close. Okay Good luck with that. All right so now. How I'm the only one that cares about Tiktok were there's a man. Yes, embrace or city. I don't know where that is, but anyway. He got two thousand likes on TIKTOK. So he went. into the bass pro shop. And jumped into the indoor aquarium to celebrate, and now he's getting charged. Was He doing it for the sake of TIKTOK? He was doing it to celebrate. He's like if I get two thousand likes on this TIKTOK. Jump in the bass pro shop. You know aquarium. That's like people are like. If this gets this many lakes, I'll get a town. Yeah, exactly so now. He's going to jail so good job or Zim, right I have some bad news for you Kelsey Yeah. They're trying to take Tiktok Away I. Hope to God. They do from Americans really. Her so you're no just in general because a lot of, but she's not a can. Canadian. Take it off of the APP store in America. That's fine I'll use my vpn. You won't. You won't know where my computer's coming from. She's private honey. You go great lengths to create a to keep Tiktok guy just got a flower delivery. Oh I did to express. Their celebrating our collection is not so nice sweet. Yeah, they're beautiful I got mine yesterday. I didn't say anything. From Hilda yesterday, but I know another delivery. Opener Express or four second. Let me open my card one second. Okay, who can? I. Am from Hilda. Express yesterday, and they're so pretty and mine are sitting outside I love. Any if someone sends me a peony I, am yours forever? Is a pioneer favorite flower I think it is. It didn't used to be like when I was at my first marriage, I had a bouquet of Gerber daisies because I was in like a group as a stage, but it was like the late nineties early two thousands which like Drew Barrymore was like everyone off daisies, and you're like okay, but now is my favorite, but they don't last very long, and now that I'm growing roses in my garden I may have arose situation are WHO's at from? It's from US congratulations. Congratulations on the success of actually like a lady. You're our favorite lady, Ganger. Don't tell Kelty and Jack. We're proud to be part of the team lady gang and can't seal the amazing things that you continue to accomplish our agents. Wait owed. Like which agents peace social. Oh my God, they didn't say the thing about me being the favourite. I was like this is. Up I was kind of like this is on brand. I. Know Right I really so nice. Can I see the fires? Somewhere else can. They're beautiful in their weight. Let's go white floral arrangement in my home because. Color has yearly unfiltered. Truth. Okay, so when we come back. I have to tell you about our new job Oh God. You know for all our sakes right now. We need to avoid crowds any way we can. But what if you need to go to? The post office will don't worry. Stamps Dot. COM is here to help so stamps dot com brings all of the services of the US. Postal Service right to your computer in the safety and comfort of your own home or your office or anywhere you're. You're hunkering down right now. So whether you're a small business sending out few invoices or your huge online retailer shipping out thousands of products stamps dot, com can handle it all with ease, so you simply use your computer to printout. US postage twenty four seven for any letter any package any class of meal anywhere you want to send and once your meal is ready. 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This summer job is the Shit a day company is offering ten thousand dollars to someone to spend their summer testing a toilet paper alternative and sharing the journey. You got you all. You have to do to be able to see if you qualify. Are you able to always sometimes. Analyzed? Yes the. And document your daily bowel movements, and then you have to share them on social media which are already doing. Oh my God. This is our new job. Listen to your title. You'll be known as the vice president of fecal matter. My God this is me. This is my life. I feel like we have come up with like a punchier name for that title. Hold on, you need. WHO's ident? Least Twenty one years of on the John Experience. And a very open bathroom door policy and you'RE GONNA get. Dollars, wow, this isn't a and a free day. I have no idea if you get the day at the. I think this is great for US Vice President of fecal matter okay I think the gang poop gang hoop gain I think that this is an opportunity because this company obviously has money and they totally and they need exposure, so I think this is the time that we reach out and try to get a good day sponsor. Let me just devil's advocate here. I am not afraid ever obviously to talk about pill. I can talk about it all day every day, but if you show me a picture of Poop, or if I have to pick it up from Orly, I get very queasy and dry heave almost every time like. At my own pill, I don't mind it, so you're having trouble with analyzing portion of this. Don't think I could analyze. I think I had a friend. Send me a picture of her Pu. Impressive and I I nearly ended the friendship. I don't WanNa. See anybody else's pill. It's kind of like people's feet for me like I can look at my own poop, but nobody else's I can't look at my own pope. You don't want. I mean I do glance I do a quick like everybody does lance nobody just poops like completely blind, and then just is like I. Bet there are people who just do. Flush and they just I have something to tell you want. Right underneath this article was another article about how America has really screwed up toilets like. Japan which I've never been allegedly will know Japan. It's a fact. Japan is like far beyond us in toilet innovation. And like America has never updated and so We're doing just can't service toilets, yeah! They do they have the best toilets there so warmed? Anyway, just letting you know that okay, another I'm bleeding, so let me just like. What did you yourself Hick to scab? Okay, this is big. This is big, big, big, big huge news. I had actually of to PSA's here for late again. Number one a Michigan. Library is asking everyone to stop microwaving their books to get the. Kobe The library is like. The books are getting ruined in your microwave. They want everyone to know that the rule for libraries is they have to incubate the books for seventy two hours after their return. They are sprayed and that it's been sort of proven I. Guess allegedly that Cova Does Not GonNa live on a book, but just in case there's still incubating, but don't fuck microwave your books. This even star. How is that a multiple person problem? I understand it I. do because it's like if you think something's contaminated, if you don't have one of those fancy nail salon bomb toaster ovens. Sanitizer let me get. Let me get the closest thing to that little oven that sanitizers. Oh, the microwave and we were told for how many years of our lives not. Europe and microwaves. It's going to radiate you because it's GonNa kill all the stuff. Including Navarra and I might do it they they did say I. Think Sanjay Gupta when Kovic does all this started happening when people were like. What about my food for takeout like is that saying? You can reheat it. That Sanjay's fall. He's also so hot. He's like a Cuomo situation where you're like sexual intelligence during this time sexual. Action. That is a good term healthy is that needs to be a name of an album sesame intelligent PR second book. Self publish. Next book deal like. Offer US one. What the alot what? To Do, how many penis stickers do we must we get okay? Here's an Xtra one. This is Joh- dropping. Back. How many years is a dog year? Seven. NOPE so for years we've gone by the thing that like for every one human year. They're seven dog years. It is not true. A study has studied dog years, and how they age and a dog. Year is only six. Thyroid tell me like. So if you're. No it's good I. Don't know that's better. You're right. You're right. Your dog's eight years old. Their physiological age is likely closer to fifty six. Oh, so they're living longer so orleans, only eighty seven. What seven times seven, forty, nine, forty nine? So, at least seven times eight is fifty six. Yes, I'm sorry. Hold on I'm wrong I so here's what truly happened. I heard. I cut the top of this article by accident in my notes or I just had to do the math I'm incorrect. Dog, years eight so now. You you really lifting us up and then now you crashed us back. Dog is older than you think. You know you, thank. You broke my heart, and then you made me feel better, and then you just broke it again closer to death clever. So if your dog is eight, it's closer to fifty six house this. I just don't understand where the dog years from to begin with little dogs live until they're like eighteen sometimes. AURELIEN! That's bitches. She's everyday. My God all right. That's all I have for you. Your dog is old. You'RE GONNA. Make Ten grand pooping this summer and get yourself a sex toy organizer Summer Lady Gang. It is quite a summer of leading well I'm into it it is. We're here for longtime, but we were here for Poopie time. Thanks for listening and make sure to rate and review this podcast. Wherever you go your podcast. We have new episodes of Lady Gang. Every Tuesday and Thursday follow us on social media at the Lady Gang. follow US personally at Kelty most importantly at Beca an at Jack Panic. The lady gang networks produced by will sterling. Steve delegator Kirsten Woodward and Elizabeth. Lakeway thanks for rating reviewing wherever you get your podcast and tune in for new episodes single week.

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LG QUICKIE: A Trippy Quickie

LadyGang

21:34 min | 5 months ago

LG QUICKIE: A Trippy Quickie

"Hey, guys did following podcast is a lady gang, network and PODCAST, one production, which means it's GonNa be awesome. Okay, well. We've been talking about Caldera a bunch on this podcast, and can you blame us? They're freaking amazing. cowdrey consciously craft home in body care brand that combines thoughtful ingredients with delectable sense beacon, caring for ourselves and our homes, a beautiful experience. You know we've talked about their hands and their lotions before I'm actually out of both and I. Need to get a refill asap, but in addition to those cadre also has come home cleaning products that effectively clean while transforming your home with your favorite fragrances, and you know we're all spending a lot of time at home, so we. 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Was it just regular Nail Polish yeah I? Just wanted those girls that can do a regular nail Polish. which for me Mike. Are deuce gusting. They have this cuticle oil. That is next level. I'm telling you. My cuticle is at the beginning of quarantine were brutal and this stuff is. Insane, it's their cuticle serum CACTUS. Flower all. Nice. I don't like. Cuticle picking is because of anxiety budding from picking because it's not dry like it never gets dry enough to pick. I'll figure a way. It's so good where there's a will. There's a way to pick your okay fine. Then always be a loser, okay? Improve yourself all right now. We need to talk about something very important. We talked a little bit about this on skinny confidential, but I am so interested in it. That I thought we deserved a quickie Becca doing drugs. Can, you explain everything about it? And then I will interject with my questions. Okay, same so. There is this. Let's see. There's this Shaman who works with and he's a medical doctor and he works with a bunch of plants to work on plant therapy with people, so mushrooms I o Austria you name it. There's a ton of different like properties in plants that can take us to places whatever inside ourselves tighter brands whatever? So he has all of these facilitators that work beneath him that train to the able to take people on. They called any. What the journey is is you can do it in groups. You can do it single. You could do it with couples Zach and I decided. We wanted to take a journey. We have friends that have done it. We know a bunch of people who have done it with these specific people and it's A night where they come over, or you go to their house and they basically talked to you. About what is it? That's like what are you stuck with? What? What's an intention going into this journey that you WANNA changer whatever? So they come over and they give you. All of these different personalized customized formulations of plants to get you to where you need to be as far as like opener. Open your heart. Open your mind whatever. and then. Towards the end of the night, they give you a chocolate. That is Iowa Nebraska and mushrooms, so it's not like your typical Iowa. Aska journey like Chelsea handler did on. Netflix's special in Peru where it's just straight Iowa Oscar. Where you like Shit your brains out in barf everywhere new purge the whole time, and then you like hallucinate, and you see a lot of people. I know who've done. Iowa's Kosei the like saw their lives as a movie in their head flash really quickly, and you're sort of not in control of where you're taken psychologically, so this is actually like a more grounding experience in I. Guess the way that they make. You are more in control of where you WANNA. Take it so if you start to like and they're guiding you the whole time. They're like sort of talking through it or you're talking with your spouse or whoever you're. You're there with like it's very I don't know like group Type Environment. You're never like scared of what's happening and if you start to go down a road that they think doesn't isn't gonNA serve you. They can kind of be like. Just don't go there. Let's go here and they sort of like. Redirect your thoughts, so it's very productive and really Cathartic. So I have a question. Sorry I, when I was younger, went through this whole phase where I like went down a deep rabbit hole on Iowa. Because I thought that I was going to go to Peru and do the whole thing so. For like a normal, Iowa Oscar trip. It's so intense and people like you said. They're shifting their brains out there puking. It's called purging. And one of my friends did it, and literally said that she was in the universe, and then she like saw her dead mother as one of the stars, and then she spoke to God and all the. So if you're doing it the way that you did it, it's less. than a sense, it's way more grounded, and there can be hallucinations like you. Do you have any I didn't have any really. And I attack. I don't think Zach did either. But a lot of it too is like if you if you take it in, you are a little more solitary in you kinda closure is I think that sort of allows you to have the loose nations, but it's not like this thing where like I've never I love mushrooms, psychedelic mushrooms, but I've never eaten enough to the point of hallucinating to like where my college roommate would eat mushrooms, and she would literally think that her bed was like a pirate ship, and they were like flying monkeys, so I, never ever enjoyed that that type of loosening I like it when it's like more grounded, so it was sort of like an intense mushroom trip without hallucinations, so you just feel like your. Your ego is completely stripped away like thousand like there is no ability to center yourself or care really what anybody thinks. You've just sort of like it become to. They'll tell you to just say it. Because there's a reason it's coming out and what's interesting. Is that at the end of my like journey the end of the night I actually did start throwing up, but she's like I think it was sort of like you had a lot to purge and like release, and that was sort of like your body's way of doing it, and what was weird is I wasn't freaked out at all throwing up. It was sort of like it. I was nauseous, but it was a weird lake. Cathartic purge like I. Almost knew that like my body just needed to do it. When we come back more drugs with BECCA. So yesterday I gave my house a really big, deep clean, and I used my favorite products from Caldera. That's right. 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Look back or use any other products when you smell these luxury sense. The Lady Gay. We're back I have a question for you I have so many questions, but. So you have had some trauma in your past year and then you've also had like big traumas in the past decade. Do you think the purge? Is it like for things that have recently happened or when you're doing this? Can you purge like things that were older? How does it work? It just depends on the person I mean. Everybody has stuff to excavate like that they haven't fully. I think gone like. been able to suss process. Yeah, so it's like if you think intuitively, everybody knows I think to a certain extent. If you're holding onto something whether it's ten years ago or like a year ago, you know, and so when you're like in that place, people have had incredible tragedies, and they've processed them enough to where they'll do this work, and they don't even touch on it. It's stuff that's other stuff, so it's like it's so specific to each person that it's. It's so it's just so interesting like everyone. Get something out of it and a lot of the time. Sometimes people even doing it to get over trauma like a lot of people are doing it to. Like learn how to be more present in their lives or learn how to get rid of Moore, negatively and welcome positive things, and also just like be the heart. openers are what they normally give you when it's your first journey, and that's because. I mean that's really what a lot of us just have to work on. If you're just kind of better and you like yourself in love, other people in our little bit more, accepting a little more empathetic than a lot of things fall into place. And what was it like going through? With Zach, because you're that goes to therapy, so you're always on this constant mission to kind of like Redo yourself and work through your stuff. Is he or was this like Whoa for him? No I mean he's so interesting because he is so down for whatever, even if it's not something he. Like. subscribes to in a way and so I've always been the person in our life. That's just a little bit more like woo a little more Unconventional like my therapist is a spiritual therapist like she's like. It's a very specific type of therapy and like he's never ever like. Of It, he's always been super accepting, and so when I said that I wanted to do this, he's like. He's known that I've wanted to do this for a long time. He was like yeah. I'll do it with you. It's so funny to me because there's no way that somebody could get me to do something this drastic. If I wasn't something I really wanted to do I'm like you're gonNA. Do like a crazy drug with me. Just because I want to do it, but it was cool because he I don't know it Kinda. It kinda like it really bonded really bonded us like in a major way. I have a question so you. You know you're saying that some people do go and do this journey to kind of move through trauma. and. So when you're doing it and you know that you're going to have to kind of confront these really dark things in your life. Was the experienced scary, and were you scared going into it? Because as somebody who tries to avoid all scary confrontation. I think if I was going to do that myself. I would be like terrified like the fear of the unknown of like what could bring up is really scary to me. Yeah, so I had enough people in my life that had done it who I trust. Who told me there's no way that there's no way you're going to have a bad. Bad Experience. That's what I've heard, too. Yeah, and so that because I never was somebody that even wanted to do regular Iowa Ska like I did not want to go through I don't Wanna see dark and sad and scary like unlike wives scary enough so i. even if there's something that like you think you're going to touch on going into it that sad, it's really that's it's not lake. It's not like you're experiencing again all over. It's sort of like processing. A little more into your car like consciousness to. Like, be able to say oh. This is why I handled it is. And, this is what I'm still doing in my life. That's keeping me from. You know opening up like for me. In particular. It was an experience where. I had. After after map passed away, I had a lot of people who were trying to get at me and like get information because there's there's a weird thing that happens when something tragic happens, and it's like there are types of people that want to be close to the tragedy and the drama to be able to like have a piece of it because they wanna be able to run away from the experience until other friends like. I was with her and let me tell you what happened. Because people use information as like as currency, sometimes in those situations, and so I had so many experiences during that time we're number one I was on a TV show, and so it was a public thing that was happening where. People found out. That were close to me before I was even able to tell them because TMZ got a call from the hotel that he had passed away in, so it was just a really fucked up exploitative way to go through something so traumatic, and so and then people close to me. There were people close to me who made up stories about how I was handling things like? I won't get specific about it, but like I was so I was so hurt by someone taking something so awful that was happening to me, and like using it for their own benefit, and so I from that point on I was like Whoa I'm not going to get anyone anything like you're not gonna get a piece of me because. I don't trust that you're not gonNA handle this in the way that I think it should be handled so. That was probably, and that was like six years ago, and from that point on I really have never opened up to people when I'm going through a hard time because I have this old habit of like really not trusting that people aren't going to use it against me. Wow there you go, there's your quickey. No. It makes sense, but but even in your in your marriage like you would do that to no I think the reason that Zach and I actually worked out, which is a lot of people would question the timing of our of our whole entire relationship was. He and I had known each other like very acquaintance, not even really friends for so many years and then Six months aftermath passed away. I was reintroduced to him socially, and it was a really slow burn, but he knew he knew immediately when Matt had passed away, and so he knew immediately when he saw me six months later like what I was going through I mean, and it was very apparent and how I was. Functioning in the world, but like he so he and I started off with There was no way to keep it a secret like it was like. This is what it is, and if I'm going to have a relationship with you if I'm gonNA eventually, be intimate with you like I was so raw. That there was absolutely no hiding that vulnerability and I also think that he was like the one of the only people who, during that time I opened up to a lot like in that grieving process, which seems super. Like from outsider, but at the same time. I! Think I couldn't have had a healthy for like relationship post Matt. If it wasn't somebody who could have been close enough to the experience to understand me will end in retrospect, it's like the timing of that is so interesting because of how you've like closed yourself off after the whole experience with in time that if you had met somebody. Further along in your life, you might have been like so closed off that you wouldn't have been able to make like a functioning relationship. Happen either yet. There's no way I mean I haven't even been able to really make friendships since that happened. Like I really sorta like shut the gates and was like this. Is it? Thank you I mean just now. This year has been the time where I've made other really close female friendships because I am just more trusting and also like I realized that. It's not my business. If somebody wants to go, tell my business like you know what I mean. It's like whatever who cares like. It's just because the stakes aren't so high. I'm like great. Cool. Go Go talk about me like an also. Nobody's really talking about me anymore, so it's like really really. You. Know what I mean like. I'm not on a hit TV show. There's no Paparazzi outside my house when something bad happens, so it's like it's a different world. It's a different life now. One. More question before we leave so for somebody that is not into psychedelics and hasn't done mushrooms like maybe kind of smokes weed or doesn't like. Do you recommend that experience somebody? That's kind of inexperienced we. Whole Realm, yeah like I've done mushrooms. Once I've done mushrooms. I can barely smoke weed like. How would I fair? Here's what I'll say like the facilitator who she she does this whole thing like when I on my first conversation with her I said you are is like I'm a little worried. Because sometimes when I smoke weed, it can take a really really. And turn, and she's like I do not smoke weed I hate smoking weed. I've never smoked weed and but I will say that I think that the reason I had less anxiety going into this experience was because I had over the last year or year more I've had more recreational use with mushrooms and I've been microdosing them, so it's like it's all about certain, really really small quantities, and just taking it really slow, but there are some really crazy studies about how mushrooms are helping in the areas of like postpartum, and you tell him he DSD chronic depression like it does sort of open up. Neuro pathways in your brain that you otherwise couldn't get to, so I would say. If there's anything I. would this experience maybe not for everybody? But I do think that if you know somebody who is like knowledgeable enough in microdosing mushrooms, it's it's amazing what it can do. Maybe we? Take them going to be soon. They're going to be like completely regulated and legal so I. Think we should have a magic mushroom lady gang product. That's all I'm saying. ooh, I can see the branding on this. Okay well. Listen Becca I. Love You and I was so awesome. But I! Think both of you would really benefit from this again. I can't smoke weed anymore. No, I can't either I. I haven't since doing this because they're really just don't want to. Interesting. I'll put it in the booth. Joe Joe Okay well I can't wait till we can all be together again and does. But we were not here for a long time we were, he knew got to do it together. We weren't here for a long time. We are here for a good time. Thanks for listening and make sure to rate and review this podcast. Wherever you go your podcast. We have new episodes of Lady Gang. 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