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"jack oconnell" Discussed on The Watch
"Think it should. He's he's he's right wary or to be not so what was interesting about out for me was kind of a sly actualize actualization on saw finally For your interesting question but Profound in my no. I suppose an actor usually has to think about a characters past not worried too much right. I mean for me what was interesting about it was that i i wanted to put across the sense that you know. He's dumb things within the of this story that he is not going to be able to forget all that he's proud of doing like even towards the end of the story without giving too much he does something we didn't need to necessarily do in traditional stories like yes you'd walk but what's the ramifications of women but what is the ramifications of what he's done like he will be forever home -ted by what happened within this story just like as Shit he was onto by what happened in india or what happened in his childhood. And it's almost like he's managed to get over those things but now we have new things to whom us as we go forward and so there will always be those additional struggles that we have to try and overcome in some with all while you're dragging yourself around dragging your passed around through all these experience. Well just wanted to say. Thank you to both of you for making this this show. It was really really quite something to watch. I hope everybody gets a chance to check it out jack. Andrew thank you so much for joining me today. Thank him just floor on the same. I'm pleased i am a on through the next. Please do any off. I thanks guys thanks guys..
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"jack oconnell" Discussed on The Watch
"In this extreme circumstance script. She should survive in as a a a pragmatic yet rational. It's rational pragmatic streamline. You you can't afford hysteria in not top circumstance and to say someone ms recommend with. That was very exciting. When i when i read up and just use his education you had us all to survive on what where where everywhere else it was a the might be punishable more natural reactions impending death and horrific deaths of some of these altitudes as aged more pragmatic and cerebral which frustrates me initially became an informed ball the uniform of him and his story. What's what's really interesting. What you say is like an example of how he's not traditional hero like in a traditional story About the drugs. Yeah he would have been. I'm gonna put these drugs behind me. And now i'm going to be a better man. Basically he's desperate for those drugs and is because the ships Drugs and i. It's all as little details. That made kim not here but in doing so he comes here story. I guess because he is more of a realistic care we call. We always find the sa- battling demon sometimes. It's i love the moment. Where he asks the priest for laudanum because like this guy has just been inside of a bear you know. He's he probably is just like this is soon as he hears about medicine. He's getting law. I mean this isn't. This is a closed chapter for him but in the circumstances he becomes a a different person. I just. I adored this series. So much i i don't want to go too far into the details of the last scene but one of the things i thought was amazing. Was you end the series and it feels very complete but then you're also like what happens to this guy next. I mean you're. I'm sure that the you must have asked yourselves this questions. But you know here's this guy. And he's in. I guess at this point what eighteen sixties Berlin and what a fascinating. What if we're what next for him right. I mean jack. Do you ever wonder what happens to sumner next. I mean the time definitely and And i.
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"jack oconnell" Discussed on The Watch
"Schedule. So you're trying to be something filming when you're like. Oh my go. God do this amount of pages each day so it's a little bit more more tv like so we want to make you look like a film but we're going to give you a tv schedule to it all the time. I wanted to know whether or not there were any cliches or tropes that you wanted to avoid while making this because i'm going to get into slept somewhat. This is going to go up the day of the finale going up so hopefully folks will get to catch up. But if you if you're listening to this and you haven't seen it yet you can. You can stop. And i'll i'll end the interview soon. But you know when they're when the group is sort of stuck on this remote island and they're doing some trading with eskimos to get a very bare minimum amount of supplies. The thing that struck me about that whole sequence was there are very few moments where everybody collapses to their knees and says god why have you forsaken us. And there's not a lot of Hysterics going on. These are people who are obviously trained to expect. The worst and i thought that that trickle down all the way to the ways in which the performance to be interacting with each other on the island made for much more compelling made it much more compelling to watch because you didn't have to get through the inevitable like what are they going to turn on each other and now that there's gonna be this and it's like no. It's obvious drax is going to go break bad as soon as you get these handcuffs off but the thing. That's really incredible as you can see sumner sort of rise as a leader as he started shakes off the laudanum and he becomes sort of sort centerpiece of this group. Trying to keep them together. An andrew curious whether or not when writing that when shooting it. Did you really like. We have to avoid certain cliches that come along with men in distress stories. Yeah i think so. I think i'm always trying to find the kind of like a solid dangle into this story the one that slightly different from the story as told and i think that weighed it comes down to trying not to so many cliches about men being together like especially in this economy As you say like men turning on each other men becoming violent like testosterone fueled rage. And i try to find something different than i am. I think there's almost like this. Both the conduct resilience comes out within these people and acceptance and the sort of semi compassion for each other within the which which i like him. I didn't wanted to feel. I didn't want the show a toll to feel to testosterone ni. If that makes sense even though it's a story about men so wanted to find the kind of different nuance in mayo. Relationships. mayo friendships. And how they need each in how they can turn on each other but how they can also support each other. And i think that kind trickles down into how the performances. Aw it's almost like a some kind of club than you might imagine this kind of story. Big and i think that is just my instincts and the way that i wanted to look masculine. I suppose while being kind of It being something thorny even more interesting And i think that leads to the story and then going into the final episode when someone gets back to ho where you expect this huge adaptive ending combat. Happy that i wanted to just to be a bit. When nuance jack on that island. One night zimbabwe base munzer genius. Why why do you find it fascinating. Tell me about it. Just senior to articulate in it relates to cliche just articulate in a way that is was paramount to his own out. There we start. The community is suicide ongoing and in our of playing off those cliches just stopping seniors. No and you know that that that by that same token jack the one thing. I love the most about that that whole sequence of scenes on the island. Is that when you're character. Sumner kind of gets out from under his laudanum addiction. He becomes this leader but the way he leads is is is very got light touch. Because it's almost you're leading as a surgeon. You're saying look i'm not gonna make you walk around but i'm gonna tell you what happens if you don't know and i'm not going to stop you from trying to screw over these eskimos in your trade but if you do like we're up shits creek without a paddle if if this goes wrong and i love how you like your performance almost after you've kind of gotten out from the the shakes from from from having the addiction like your character kind of almost stands up a little bit straighter and he has a different demeanor and gate. It's it's an incredible like switch there. Can you tell me a little bit about. How did you did you purposely. Sort of change. The way this character was once he stopped drinking. Laudanum for shaw for show. A was a power that sky as riddled By the fact that opium hygiene in this evil Grasp anees familiar was daca coming to realize saw potential of individual once involuntarily been freed of of of his addiction. And that's very simply and done. I don't think it was on one..
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"jack oconnell" Discussed on The Watch
"Committee next episode. So i'm certainly aware ever thought we played lot with certain endings and beginnings and things. Change the way and and things that you thought. We're going to be the endings turned out to be the endings. In a few scenes shifted within the episodes. But it's just about trying to find it so with them you know. I think my instincts are always more filming the male television so i think even in terms of like how they episodes unfold how edited now the shots me. They still feel like to have a have a film language film editing rhythm the more traditional tv. That was important to me. Because i still want to feel like you know in ten years time if you come across this show it's like oh it is a five hour pace in anti ritchie. And that's important to me. You can forget that sometimes when it's just it's not just the moment that it comes down to as longevity in has a future and so we always think about those things and sometimes you know you you struggle to find the right with an episode to end. Been the right way. But you know it's it's good to say it was made slightly hall with how to edit this which was remotely during coveted. Yeah know being necessarily in the same room was the editors and that has its own challenges. So did you finish shooting before sort of the lockdowns began and then and then go into post after well we. We finished the bulk of the shooting before kobe but then there was a week that we were supposed to shoot in canada in the candidate. We couldn't shoot because of kobe. So we gotta change and shoot some. Some of the stuff in studio will begin to which was deeply depressed the time and you know it's it's always a shy but you know you have to do these things we didn't want to put anyone wisc julianne that make so it was challenging and then some of the full lockdown and then some of it was done often at some of the mixing had to be done and some of the grading was all done remotely so it was. It was definitely a different experience. And i ended up being in the room with people when you humorous things that makes subtle complicated but you know it does work you can do. They have a striped t shirt fail. Jack did you when you when you're in a piece like this or what. You're doing something that you also extraordinary in which was godless which i also loved. Do you have to pace your performance. Differently is there. Is there a different way to tune your instrument when you're going to be in most of the scenes of a five hour series versus three quarters of the scenes in a in a feature or whatever whatever the case may be but you know. Is there a different way that you prepare yourself like almost physically and emotionally outside of like how you how you get ready to do. The acting i mean largely thing is dictated by the rights in requirement standards of character portrayed in an an an how e show related to the story unfolded and there has to be some level.
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"jack oconnell" Discussed on The Watch
"Experience in different fields Via the vehicle of medical profession shall in order to prepare for the road and was was important for me to read various literature based on what he'd experienced so for example is great book code the siege of krishna. Or which kind of takes you to basically their arch and the wall so no Involved in and then folks they were like you. Victorian studies on on surgery of that area which were great hopeful. So a lot of this stuff happened in prep. Just ecomomic may at least feel like licensed to be inventive and theralac i Some level of understanding inter. I wanted to ask you know as you're assembling. This is this piece. And i know you used to work on and release scott films as a as a as an editor and that sort of your background comes in sort of post production when you're making something that's going to be five hours as opposed to a feature. How does your brain change in terms of pacing in terms of cutting in terms of assembling. Something that's going to have ins and outs as an episode and you know the arcs of each sixty minutes versus the arc of a two hour and change film. Were the or thinking in terms of this is actually a five hour statement. It's definitely a challenge. Sometimes i always. I wanted to think of as as you say a five hour state. It's a five hour movie. That'll be a five movies. A breakdown briefly about trying to find the highs and lows within each be episode. Because you have to realize sometimes. I'd like to get the people that she watching the tv show but you have to remember that people do need to have something to bring them through the alex that leaves them wanting mold.
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"Base is president as he's he's obvious able to vegas nuts kinda contributes one altogether unforgettable experience on. I will say that Like what jack is so brilliant tat. Is he really does commit to the moment of the performance so like you. He's so committed to finding like as much truth as he can within the same and he'll go to extreme sometimes to get that which is so incredible to watch. So i think that's why as you say he so good in the scenes when he is just listening to someone when he's reacting to some because he is there in that moment and of actors aren't quite light batman commute more selfish with that performance in chapters disease that as somebody every step of the way and i think that's why he so blatant show. How much of of drags on the page in the novel versus what colin sort of specifically brought to it versus. What you had in your head andrew. I was curious about the assembly of that character in like the different sort of authors of it. Because i think in the book drax is almost appeal months. Stop and i think i wanted. Dragster also have. This may sound strange but an attractive qualitative at least to some them so that some no is drawn into drax. His will adjoin into trying to understand him Rather than just be immediately powell by him. And i think in the book you are repelled by drax my straight to way and for me it was more interesting that that you would jewel on Closer into taxes world ad calling is very good at making him attractive as well as making him propellant. And so i think colin finds that balance with counter jack. There aren't very many roles where i imagine you get to do so much. I mean short of of having a love interest. This character really gets to be. He gets to be a doctor. He gets to be an avenging angel. He he's a survival his t's he's the leader but he's also an addict and he's got these. Ptsd memories of what happened to him. In india i mean it is the full buffet. I imagine of the human experience that must have been part of of what made this such a meteorology take on a fair description of of most people in reality most most people on either one thing or no the and an unseen Experience in different fields Via the vehicle of medical profession shall in order.
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"jack oconnell" Discussed on The Watch
"And it just sort of dealing with the hardships of of what is very inhospitable environment. Show tree and yeah. Yeah yeah yeah just kind of free. As as i said before you free in in in focusing on the other stuff then and you know i mean compare that to being on sound stage somewhere wearing all these layers as you would do Our climate tv embroiling hard. I mean not not set us but probably more impression more impressive to in some ways act against a green screen in some ways for both of you guys and andrew. We can start with you know one of the things that is a hallmark of this series is the feeling that you're getting exactly what you want. I know you might smirk at that. Because i'm sure you would say i. There are plenty of times where. I didn't get what i wanted to replenish things that i wish i could go back and change but you know i can talk to me a little bit about the tension that might have been there of having something in your head that you would love to execute but then shooting in such an extreme environment that sometimes you're going to have to take whatever it gives you. It's true like you know i always. I'm preplanned as much as i can. In terms of getting an idea of how shoot something but still we bold. And i don't shortlist down to the New shy. I need to get. And i think i have to back misconduct There is really a choice so you might think there is one way that you want to shoot. Say the seal homes within in the reality of it. We couldn't find enough is to work on the wild to set around looking for stable enough ice to to put ship alongside then. We had a couple of hours to shoot so you had another global warming gift of global warming that you couldn't find any ase pretty much less that should be they usually about some of you and so you have less time than you would like and you know we were losing. It was getting dark by half an hour. Each day was getting dark dacas so the days are getting But the truth is i love that kind of that excitement and that tension that is created because it means you have to think you have to think okay this is actually the shot the beacon that we need to shoot now to make this to make the sequence and i kind of love by it creates an excitement attention and you know everybody feels it and you have to work hard as quick as you can and sometimes having too much time and too much time to kind of think about things is actually the worst exhibit jacquier in almost every scene in this series but the thing that i love so much about your performances an extraordinary scene partner you are like some of my favorite moments of the show are when you're reacting to someone else's behavior especially in your in some of the moments you have with colin and i was just wondering if you could talk about the experience of working with him but also what it was like when he would surprise you onset because i feel like there are a couple of moments especially when you are interrogating him about the cabin boy and there's sort of big Turn there that. You just seem sincerely surprised by what is happening and it is the most. It's the most natural reaction. It really grabs you by their collar. Don't you think calling lock on me. And he's he's an actor. What describe as assert intolerable. You're not of that. You're gonna get something extraordinarily special from him every time you go out you saw that again. Just just makes your life easier because you off somethin' Phenomenal to be activated and saw is not a lot of effort that goes.
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"Virtue of just paying. Ashok i'm not necessarily treat you know. We got one less thing to think about with foam so convincing. There's no elevator pitch not really mean tom. Myself and fight was in reference to the character like what we mainly got in depth about was is philosophy on sumner and marr philosophy in two kindness in our intellectual understanding of things Wanted to solve x. goal that in exclusive out with andrew. He's he's take on so mna helped me to do that and it was Yeah i was. I always came away from those conversations with andrew failing failing very much more informed much more educated than an eye opening two things i'd and previously considered sold straightaway andrew. Was that take on sumner. Because i i find him to be an incredibly complicated protagonist in a continually surprising. Won't over the course the series. Obviously he goes through of figurative rebirths. That's a lot of ways but the series is about but it must be exciting to write a character or to adapt character that goes through this metamorphosis over the course of five hours. Yeah i think what. I what i loved about it and it was done with me. Which book was hal. Kind of complex. summa's how he's not like a traditional hero in any in any normal sense in a normally these characters a quite straightforward in they have this kind of simple desire for shed and then they find that a demonstration in the nazi edifice rate of and. I feel like the summer. He is so wounded by so many things that have happened in the past a struggle to get on with life it keeps chasing him and every time you sort of get started with one thing to get over something different. And that's why i really liked. His couch was a constant struggle. He thinks he's about to understand a work. Something out anandas. Another thing that he has to be to fight and struggle against and that to me is just a really truthful. I suppose depiction of a character. It's not as we go through struggle amend find the also It says always one thing leading to another thing leading to another thing in one of the things that i loved about it was. I mean when you describe your sort of your take on this character and talk about these obstacles. And i think back through the episodes about everything that he goes through there's elements of this that are very straightforward adventure on the other hand there elements of this series that feel like a horror movie or feel like a medical procedural or detective show and some that feel like i just i. I think there's so much in this project that must be of been really quite fun to chew on for both of you jack. Did you feel like you've got to be in several different shows at once. i think. Jets microphones me meted. I can talk to that theory about how pleased by all means. I mean what is so. That's what i love about the story. Actually to be honest with you like you can go into it with certain expectations. Of what kind of how this story is going to unfold. And you think always going to be a procedural thrill out or it's going to be a homeless story or it's going to be some existential drama and is all of those things and often all in the same episode and i find that a really fascinating way to tell us because constantly throws the audience of balance. You think it's going to be one thing and then it becomes something else we send you what is like the someone within the story woman. He thinks it's one thing. Then it becomes something else yeah. They think they're going on. A whaling expedition turns out there on an insurance scam. Then it turns into a survival story and then it turns into basically a western re-vengeance story where he's going to track this guy down across an incredible landscape you know it's got such a distinctive look but i was wondering what did you think about things in terms of reference points or influences did you. Did you watch anything that actually first viewing. Nobody would know that you were. Actually you know screening certain films or certain shows because you wanted to get a certain kind of feel for it. And i try. I often try not to watch too many things. But i'm kind of leading up to shooting something. I think they can make it. Almost be more distracting. So the anti tarantino show seven hundred movies shooting glorious vast enters basically would make me too nervous. That'd be to have to compare myself too. So i mean i. I knew that we were going to be shooting in rate environment. So re that dictates a lots of how you decide to shoot. I think it will. I wanted to do was make it feel as visual and is grounded as i possibly could and i think that kind of dictates a lot of how the show ends up feeling and you know i did watch you know. I watched other bugs The chip based dramas for references. Especially on how to make the ship when you inside feel like it's moving in such a tricky technical thing to make it feel like you're moving essentially for those interior scenes you on a sound stage. Yeah right. I mean there's there's the famous anecdote about jaws where spielberg originally wanted to nail everything down a tripod and is director of photography. Was like if you do that. People are going to be throwing up with bats to come to the movement of the ship. And how you know. When you're shooting for real i then reflect sound stage with some of the interior things. Jack for those exteriors is a buck again. Now so jack for the the exterior especially did you find that. The point like to get from adp as a performer as an actor. Was that much of a cleaner line because there was very little pretending going on. Especially when you're in that setting. Yeah you should treat should treat you just kinda fail. Organically in and nothing really is wrong than You having to of.
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"Captain carter or she goes through this portal and winds up. I guess right before. What the avengers she so it. It's the avengers movie. So the implication and by the way for super nerds It's notable that she's captain. Carter not captain britain. Who is your character but is closely connected with the x men in doesn't air shield. They're saving that part for For steve coogan. I mean that you're just preaching to the choir. Here of i believe captain britain is now betsy braddock. So it's it's a woman. Kuban you know might be controversial casting. But i think could also be excellent. The implication and this is always the fun thing in the what if stories to and. i think there's actually a whole spinoff character related to the what if mythos where like. What if gwen stacy lived with peter. Parker died and gwen. Stacy becomes kind of spiderwoman character and etcetera etcetera. The the fun thing is like the stories tend to hit the same. Beats like you can change some pieces. But you can't change the overall shape of history like x the characters might be different but experts solely to y and so the thing here was no matter who gets the super soldier serum someone sacrifices him his or herself for the good of everyone and then he's not unfrozen essentially reclaimed in the future in this case Peggy is returned by nick fury. Being like what what happened on my friends. And he's like the war's over and so then there could be another story. And i'm sure due to the positive reception of this. They're working on it. Where the vendors are formed with this new reality whereas gotcha. She's the new leader of the new avengers. Nothing of the only vendors in that alternate universe. I mean the the crazy thing would be it again. It's overly complicated. But if all the what if stories took place in the same universe but that's not if is okay. All right keep watching i. I will go piecemeal. Like if i may be wrong about this but i was. I was googling it and it seems like they're pretty discrete there close to the vest about what stories. They're telling in whose voices are going to be in them. So i know nothing. What's your greatest unanswered question about. The marvel universe. But that's a that's good. These are the sort of questions that other podcasts. Talk for the What was the voter. Rama like on the segovia accords. You know what kind of management attached what kind of pork barrel politics were involved. You know like dealing wooded west. Virginia get out of this via get like an olympic stadium. Once they rebuilt the covy. I guess we we ever covered that. Cova have a seat at the table anymore. Cove you search your own twenty twenty. Four in seacot via yeah. Yeah and did like did like did they become like a petro state kind of because they have all this like infusion of of maybe chris they became a pietro state is so if the but like. Let's say that sokoto women in it gets do you. Leo messi goes play. Play for covy. Fc oh my god. I love this. I do you have a very. This is beautiful. This is what separates us. you know. I started this podcast by just sort of feeling sad about the state of the world and how how broke in and underdeveloped. Humanity is like the world bank will restore segovia beyond its former glory in a matter of like five short years that you really believe project christine legrand. I think she's a great lady and she's got such a vision for for civil beautiful thing love to borrow at low interest rates. Let's get into my interview with Andrea and jack. o'connell andy. it was great talking to you today. christmas we do. Should we tease. I know you know like to keep things secret. But i don't know why like let's let's say we have jerry jenkins on the show on monday. America's greatest living filmmaker. Barry jenkins on our podcast. Yeah it was a. I think andy and i had sort of been like. We're gonna talk about underground railroad and then when this. This sort of became a possibility. I think we decided to save our conversation for when we talked to berry. I think we'll do like i kind of more larger sort of like our critical discussion of the show before the interview on monday. Show will say that like you know obviously a very challenging thing to watch an entertaining or fun thing to watch. I think most people would agree. I think of barry jenkins who agree. But it's an important thing to watch. And i think is a pretty amazing achievement in the medium and what was cool as talking to barry about what the hell the medium is anymore. Yeah and also just what he brings to it. i mean. She's just such a staggeringly beautiful filmmaker and watching. This is just a deeply a deeply challenging but also deeply aesthetic emotional experience a time. So we're both grateful that we watched it. Were mentioning it now. Not just as we're superstock berry jenkins was on our podcast but also to say you guys got four days to finish sugar railroad all of its streaming on amazon. So yeah we're gonna get to my interview with jack and andrew in just a second. I will mention before we get into it that we had a couple of audio issues. Jack's audio so there might be a couple of hiccups in there but otherwise a great conversation too great characters in an amazing show so after a quick break. we'll get into my interview with north waters. Andrew.
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"The first captain america movie. This brings me to the second point. I'm not gonna look and find out. I have my limits like specifically. I'm glad you brought that up. I was like how was bradley. Whitford playing that. You know what. Life's too short like that's fine. I don't actually care if he was or not but so kudos to them for being like. Here's another way we can mind this universe for fun and potentially unearth things that could turn into real things the second track the one. You're not ready to have chris. Actually you are ready to have. It is what if red skull was right. I love it. Did you get red skuld. Is that what happened when he wanted. Credible youtube videos send you. The second thing is just i this. This also may be my limit of like part of the fun of the marvel. Cinematic universe is that it's real actors doing these things and you know the the film makers and artisans behind the scenes being like well you've you've read about cosmic cubes for years. Here's what they would like and like. That's still fun and exciting. This felt like a you know. It's it's sort of amusing entertaining. Fan service and nothing about it struck me as particularly thrilling. It's fine. It's a finding spend twenty four minutes on and haley atwells cool and okay but but i don't find myself getting super high or low about it. It just exists me neither. I think it's like probably a case of like anything that does moves the stock market. So it's worth paying attention do but then you realize you know you're talking about like a thirty two minute cartoon or whatever that that is largely like a re-shoot of captain america until the final few minutes Obviously with the major characters being moved around but a lot of the action set thesis rate. Like they are. I taken from the movie. And then there's plenty of shots that are shot for shot from the captain america movie. The rest of the shots are taken from a watchman which is super weird I will say this like disney by the end of the most recent star. Wars trilogy of films right. I think play if people were like i waited x. Amount of years for this to happen and when you finally gave it to me you basically just told the same story over again. You know and i think that for whether or not you did or didn't like the last i or whether or not you think that there's a lot to like about that trilogy on the whole but had some problems in end would however you're feeling about star wars these days. Let's put that in a box. I do think that there was like a little bit of alike. Are we ever going to move forward in this world and marvel to their credit also disney property have done a very good job being like chapter closed. Let's move on while subtly letting all those people live on on disney pluess and flooring. Yes sure we're exploring more complex emotional situations or sociopolitical issues on those on the series but like essentially it's still members of the avengers hanging out. You know what i mean. We're still seeing these people even. If we're telling you stories so this is a really slick way of basically starting a new quote unquote phase while also never leaving the other phases behind. And what if you say like there is like a kind of playfulness and mischievousness to it in its at center that it could have but ultimately what i think it's going to be is let's mess around and just kind of remix. Some of the greatest hits right. Yeah i mean the the one thing that no version of what if could really do. And this is a slippery slope to be on in comic books in tv is you can't suggest something that everyone at the end of it is like that would have been better. But that's that's risky right. Because you kind of i think the most interesting thing about the series would be like where they actually went right at mistakes they made. You know what i mean like. What if we hadn't cast tilda swinton. As the ancient wanted doctor. Strange sure like obviously. That's not what this show is. I think that your point every move they do and i remain in all of it because there's always legitimate if not excellent artistic cover for the decisions but every move they make is. How can we keep this going. How can in not in the sense of like telling the star wars story again. But how can we keep mining something. They don't leave story on the bone. And so when you have an idea like okay. The adventures of steve and karen and howard stark in world war two. Which got you know yada yada because it was a feature film in a different era and also those actors didn't want to do ten movies of the first ten. I thirty minutes of the film. You could do a comic book. Version of the jalan commandos. You could make a whole series about captain. Carter and and bucky and steve is hydro smasher. Whatever like sure you can do that now and the actors would love it because they get paid enough to work hard and it doesn't matter if they get older or cut their hair or whatever so what happened at. That's another line for them here. And it's impressive. Can you help me get get my head around what happens at the end of this episode. Then so am. I supposed to so basically spoiler alert. If you have watch this episodes you can stop listening now..
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"jack oconnell" Discussed on The Watch
"Have to imagine that he probably is like us. A child of nineties independent cinema and the biggest influence. I i detect in this show or the thing that i would say. Do you like this. Then you'll like that is. Do you like early. Richard linklater by. Do you like people hanging out and trying to make sense of the world around them and if you do please check this out and if you don't check it out either way but you know one of the things that's been sort of not nagging at me but i have noticed over the last couple of the shows that we've talked about this year of several of the shows that we've talked about this year. Is the dead body in the beginning. The the mystery that we're trying to solve even when you're like did this show needs to be a murder mystery or does it. I am referring to white lotus but there are others and so far there is nothing like that for reservation dogs and i would say the second episode which is basically a day spent outside of a health clinic in oklahoma and say this but the first two episodes available. Now think it isn't fx on hulu exclusive so you have to have hulu to be able to watch it. Yes i would just say that. It's it literally like everything happens but nothing happens. It's just the way for teenagers. spend today and there's a little miracles and there's a lot of comedy and there's a little bit of drama in a little bit of sadness but features really great cam cami. I don't know if he's going to be recurring or not. But bobby lee who is really funny. Comedian and has an awesome podcast. Tiger belly plays a doctor working the clintons. Amazing who's fucking hilarious. Yeah i don't know i just. I really liked this show. I love the richard linklater. Call it. i think that's exactly right. It's five and you're either here for it or you're not and you can settle into it and it's so pleasurable to know it's out there. I think the other bona fides that. I would shout out about sterling harjo. Who he you know. I'd never encountered as work before it. All it's not just the indie filmmaker stuff which is prevalent. It's also the comedy stuff. Because he's in comedy group while the fourteen ninety one's native american sketch comedy group. One of the other members of the group is a guy named Dallas gold tooth. Who plays a very very important character on the show which is the sort of the warrior. He's the warriors spirit that keeps coming to our main character. Barely knocked down believable. It is just like these guys know what's funny too and you can see it not just in the sort of the the relaxed way. That jokes are set up and deployed but also in the casting on the margins. Like you said. It's not bobby lee shows up and briar patch. Alum kirk fox. He's agreeing no. But no better dirtbag Like i was gonna say as an actor but maybe in life Shows up in the first episode and most of all the things that i really wanna shout out that makes me feel just really good about the show and excited about the show is the great actor is on mclernon who people. No i think from his brilliant turns in fargo season to and people shut out his episode of westworld. I think as one of the best individual episodes of the series and he's an incredibly evocative dramatic actor. That's all we've ever seen him do so far. he's in both of these episodes. I don't know if he's going to be recurring hopefully recurring beyond that. He's the town cop. He's hilarious any such great energy. And maybe i'm reading too much into it. It's very possible. But the energy that i feel from his performance is just like finally. Someone's gonna let me do this. You know finally. I can just be a different kind of guy and have a different kind of intensity and have fun doing it and and from what. I'm understand. the show was shot on location in oklahoma. And you that's shouldn't take for granted like there's a reason why most networks and services and i say this taking no checks or fx disney whatsoever. But even the most creatively empowered business affairs departments would at least run the powerpoint of how much money you could save if you shot the show in new york or georgia louisiana and they didn't and it's awesome. It's cool. I i love it because it it just. It just bubbled up. I can't wait to watch more and these kids are really good. The lead the lead guy plays bear to faira whatever is like. Oh he's really good. This kid is maybe going to be an incandescent shining star because he's just incredibly charismatic and good-looking seems to be able to just hang. Who knows it's fun to be early on all of it. A real breath of fresh air. I'm so glad. I'm so glad it's on and to talking about it more. Do you want to do. What's our world if this listen show that really scratches all your pet peeves. So you texted me and you're like this. This is like every every box of things you hate about popular culture. Which i i'd taken strive but also i would say probably not like i'm totally fine. Delays through an animated. Like if i have to left to me is ocoee movie. You promised to watch. That's right you go first. Because i think you probably have a little bit more of a background. In what if as a comic series like with everything. We talk about this. There's there's it's a two track conversation the first track is just you know there's very little else to do but tip your dum dum dugan war cap and be like you guys. Have this unlock. You figure this out. When i became a comic fan when i was like thirteen or fourteen years old yes i thought. Wolverine was cool and cyclops and i thought the x. men were interesting in the idea of joining something in the middle that there was. Just you know at that point. Thirty years plus of history that i didn't even know about waiting to be discovered and how everything was connected. That was all thrilling. But the thing that sealed the deal for me was when might i probably my buddy masayuki gave me my first issue of x factor gave me an issue of what if which was an intermittently published comic by marvel that just let creators do exactly what the series does which is just go bananas on topics really big. I don't have the list of stories in front of me. But they were like what if i mean essentially version of it be like what if van os one but then other really dufy versions like what if the spider didn't bite peter parker it bit a dog and there was spider dog. I mean that wasn't sure you. But they could have been right. This sheer elasticity of this massive creative thing that held room with itself for high drama and also high comedy seriousness and absurdity. Everything that happened in a fictional world but also all the things that maybe could have happened in those things. Were secretly cooler. That really that did. That's when i became a huge fan and so the marvel current marvel entertainment team knowing that this is in their back pocket and also knowing that they were going to start doing multi-diverse storytelling. Why not and and more than why. Not do it as an cartoon. So you don't have to drag everyone back and you can get you know all these actors are coming through georgia anyway to do their various projects you pull them off into a booth for twenty minutes and that's how you get a single episode of a cartoon on disney pluess that has like more a-list stars in it in it's twenty four minutes than most live action things right. They all other than chris evans. I think they're all there right. Voicing their characters yeah. I can't bradley whitford. Was he in captain..
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"jack oconnell" Discussed on The Watch
"Nee requires him to be on location in exotic expensive vacation destinations every year. I mean respect and say someone who grew to love albuquerque new mexico but yeah when you write put pen to paper like of course part of us like. I'm going to write myself to maui this summer winter or you know what i mean. Yeah right and oh my god. I'm so impressed by that. it's fantastic. Where do you take white lotus season to what locale What's funny is i it. It's not so much. The tax breaks will determine it but covert will determine it again so it's again a smart choice for them to do this I think the other thing that we read in the l. a. We learned the story about the show. The other week. Was that the four seasons in maui was just for whatever reason cool with this and the even the reporter was kind of like when we followed up to ask at the four seasons was cool with all the stuff that goes on in the show. They degraded kind of immune response. We've resort. That was like re either closed because of covert and can let them run wild or able to continue their business and bring people in safely. So i i don't have an answer. It the potential you know. There's limitless potential around the world. But i do think that those other factors will factor into the decision I have an answer. Yeah i'm always thinking about vertical integration. You know me you know. That's where my mind always goes. You're passionate and get. How can we get energy. What can we build on here. So why not a white lotus about the last group of visitors to westworld. Wow well the shows are very similar. Honestly i i mean that sincerely this is just my preferred version of westworld in apocalyptic representation of what it means to be human like. This is more my speed. How do you see that to imagine arriving by train and just getting off in like. He's very weirdly. Nice hotel managers. Go up to them right before. There is an absolute like a slaughter slaughter from from robots. Yeah but i think that there's lots of of cider action there. Look why not. Why not go to king's landing like why not white lotus king's landing weight load at least like dubrovnik right why or like white white lotus like northern new jersey. Gillis sopranos action going. Wow i mean if casey wasn't coming on the show before now he's gonna come on just to tell you the those are ridiculous ideas I think the other thing that i'm curious about. And there's probably no way of knowing because the ratings of the ratings and the value is the value. It's very opaque from our perspective but it strikes me that the. Hbo struck a bullseye with the show among the audience that they that's most important for them to cultivate which is a certain kind of cultural literati. Slash you know twitter user. It's it's the audience that they've they made their bones on. And i don't know if it is a i don't know how broad an audience it is. I'd be curious. They probably have the numbers. But this is a bullseye. That is important to them. Not only to keep the viewers that have watched the network for years but also to keep their identity as that home for those viewers and as a place to go on sunday nights. It's just really struck. Gold and i and i i don't know if that's the same audience that they've been scraping in touching and moving past shirley things like the undoing or big little lies or Or even marivan which think has north anecdotally but seems to have grown even more successful as it's just been living on hbo. Max yeah. And i think i think it'll be interesting to see coming out of the emmys if that if that show does very well at the emmys whether or not it gets another life of crystal checking out. It's gonna do very well at the emmys Let's talk about reservation dogs. I okay so this is a a a new show. That i would describe as first of all i would describe as wonderful I i will always have time for shows that arrive kind of fully cooked even though i think you know. Tv is about patients and allowing shows sort of figure out what they are. As even as they're airing bite even even so like i would say that this show knows what it is more than most and it's from takeaway td in sterling harjo. It's about four digits teens living in oklahoma. And they're basically bruce springsteen song they're trying to get the fuck out you know. They are dealing with some some grief. They're dealing with economic hardships. And they're kind of getting by hustling doing some petty robbery doing some some cons just also just selling some meat pies outside of health clinic and it shows up and like almost within the fifth frame or the first song you hear when they start playing the stooges you. At least i felt like. I was in like a very comfortable and safe place where i was like. This is a warm bath of like stuff that i like. I like these kids are like the sense of humor of the show. Like the drama of the show like the way. It looks like the music. They're playing like the way. It sounds all of the performances. I've never been to this place. But i wanna spend a ton of time there and that's just what. Tv good tv does right. Yeah i agree with you on everything he said. I i kind of want to just begin by giving the kudos to fx is half our development team and process. It really stands out. And i don't know the ins and outs of how they work versus. How other networks work in this half hour space. But i really can't think of a comparison or any kind of competition where. Fx seems to just not just they put their money where their mouth is because everyone who takes a meeting for half hour show. We used to call them comedies. Half hours Says we want your vision. We want it. We understand what's going to make this special. Is your point of view your distinct idiosyncratic sense of humor your world. What makes you comfortable and we want. We want to help. Bring that to life. And then they start you know. Focus grouping and testing bigger stars just to add a little more shine to it and maybe bringing consultants or whatever and it changes in the process is you can tell you can feel the speed bumps even when eventually in the best cases after five ten episodes at smooths out. Fx is on this run with atlanta with what we do in the shadows davis show. I haven't really engaged with but by all accounts is exactly what i'm describing and now reservation dogs where there aren't stars here. What i mean. There's very little attempt in any of those shows to be like. Let's hold your hand until you feel comfortable here early down view. Throw you a couple of bone so that you recognize things. They're just like this is cool. This is interesting. This is fun into your praises. this is fully formed. And it's the best feeling that we can get from contemporary tv. Right where. I have never spent time on native lands in oklahoma. I this is an entire pocket universe within our country. It is real. It's in our is heightened this is comedy etcetera etcetera but fx trusted sterling harjo and to bring this to life. And if you look it in it's not just the fact that the cast is all indigenous in it at least in my mind. Very few recognizable names If you look at the director's list right if you look at the music is amazing. The show and totally evocative and cool and interesting and surprising am and you're like. Oh are these all oklahoma. Oklahoma artists mostly indigenous artists of the stooges. As you mentioned yes they are. And how thrilling and how wonderful. It is to find a show that looks at all of that. Opportunity looks at all of those quote unfamiliar to mainstream audiences. Whatever that means anymore po- possibility and sees it as an opportunity. It's really fun. Yeah i wanna say also like. I think you'll watch this if you haven't seen it already but you check it out and you're like this show. I wouldn't say it only could have happened in opposed atlanta world but i think atlanta atlanta's success has a lot to do with shows like this because it does feel it has a degree of Kind of not meandering. But it's kind of. It's very much just like slice of life rather than there's not like a tremendous amount of urgency around any major plot point at least in the first two upset by knowing a little bit about throws like background at the sundance institute making independent features and just seeing his age and seeing people walking around this show wearing wu tang clan shirts emblazoned playing the stooges..
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"jack oconnell" Discussed on The Watch
"I am an editor at the rigor dot com and joining me on the other line crestfallen because his pangbourne what if was rejected by disney degree now rejected. It was swatted away at the rim. Like pangbourne does when he defends these courts. Where was he on the next big board for this past nba draft. Oh like he was in the mix like above moses moody for sure a million percent if things have broken a certain way he still an undrafted free agent greenwald. It's thursday what fulltime to be speaking with you about popular culture but specifically television which is what people rely on us for. That's where the watchers on the wall today on the podcast. Not only my chatting with my best friend. Andy but i am also chatting with andrew. Hey and Jack o'connell jagger connell was the star of north water andrew. He wrote and directed the episodes of the northward adapted from maguire novel. I will say finished. The last episode has is up now and available. It's a five episode series. This is one of my favorite things. I've seen this year. The end of the season is extraordinary. I can't wait to talk with some people about it. Once they get a chance to see it. I feel like this one's a little bit slow on the uptake but i will say the way. This is happening. Kind of reminds me zero zero zero where people are like how i watch it or like to get around to it when people see. I think that this is gonna have a second life absolutely mind blowing colin farrell performance. That is i would not say necessarily on the same level of daniel day-lewis and there will be blood but his definitely singing from the same hymn book but mcconnell is amazing in this like this is my favorite jack o'connell so far it's know a story about a nineteenth century whaling expedition. That goes horribly wrong in the arctic. And you they. They shot it north of norway like they went they went there and It's cold and hell is hot man. i'll tell you And so incredible show. I hope people check it out. And even if you haven't checked out my conversation with andrew and jack was really cool just to hear about the making of it and What wade into it. So that that out of the way. We'll get to that in the second half of the show. Andy how are you. I wanna say. I'm two episodes in. I'm going to watch the show. I like the show. I can't wait to talk to you about it. I have to say maybe this is just the contrary in enemy. But what about all those nineteenth century whaling expeditions. That went well well. That's how come here. I suggested to andrew that there's a lot. Ip out there like guests. You see you could do a feel good north water next. Just a whaling expedition. That you know. Maybe they even save the whales. Maybe they're like you know what are what are we doing out here because the thing about nineteenth century is that those guys were conservationists. You know they really thought long and hard about and they were very mindful of their base. It's funny sometimes. I you know. I like many i look at the state of the world and i despair but then i do have to remember that for all of human recorded and unrecorded history in the night planning. Yeah until nineteen fifty. Yeah the sole purpose of humanity was to see something that scared them and then club over the head this the thing the key club dover the head so every time i'm like oh my emotional maturity isn't developed enough. I'm like what a what a. What a concept. I don't have to stab seals to make money. You know what i mean. So maybe maybe we ought to give ourselves a break. We'll talk about these new shows. Can we talk a little bit about a new show. That is going to be a now. A multi season show which is white lotus. It was announced that white lotus is going to get a second season another installment from hbo and it sounds like what will happen is it will be a different set of characters in a different location. The the white lotus property. It'd be another white lotus property. But yeah i thought that was very interesting. Obviously mike white. It's pretty well known now. Essentially like pulled this one out of his back pocket when hbo called them up and said. Do you have any cove friendly that we could make now and you know. He's obviously had some ups and downs. Incredible writer in incredible filmmaker an incredible show runner but had some ups and downs with tv and now has an unlikely juggernaut but is successful. Show that he kinda seems to have grabbed out of thin air. Yeah some people work best this way. Some people work best quickly when they can't get in their own way without You know the various roadblocks that the business sets up to slow any momentum. You might ever possibly feel even for a second definitely not editorializing behalf of myself here and it's also probably why to a degree. The show has resonated beyond the setting and beyond the cast and characters. We haven't really talked about this and we've talked about the show but you know the characters are pretty fungible mouthpieces for hot button issues of the day. sometimes i think it's almost to the detriment like we. We were digging a little. Bit for steve. Zahn speech about white people giving up privilege but a different scenario almost makes it worse. Makes you appreciate what mike white's done here. Because he wrote the so quickly and it's in front of us so quickly he is able to kind of play in the. I don't wanna say cesspool. But maybe i will of contemporary sociological discourse and not have it feel super forest and super dated. All the time you know in terms of like bespoke prestige turnaround. This is about as fast as it can get. And so i think that that's a nimble in useful thing for him in the way he likes to ride in the way he likes to engage with his characters and have them engage with the world. Mostly i wanna say this is a no brainer but no brainers get missed all the time when they become too much brainers like this is a great idea. This is a great win for everybody. Involved particularly a great win for mike white as he said not only because his you know he he seemed more aligned. His career seemed in. This is not a bad place to be but it definitely seemed to be trending towards the critically and fanatically and culturally adored and not so much the consistently successful larger metrics. But he's done the thing that i think. Every single person who's ever downloaded a copy of final draft has dreamed of. Which is he somehow manufactured a successful show that demands..
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