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The underdog: A profile of NDP leader Jagmeet Singh

Front Burner

25:50 min | 1 year ago

The underdog: A profile of NDP leader Jagmeet Singh

"I'm trying to winter and I'm almost law welcome to chosen family. Every second week we talk about art sexuality and identity with a special guest usually queer here but not always I completely struggled coming out to my parents as a comedian being in the entertainment industry for a Middle Eastern. People is unheard of affecting change requires requires people to shake it up listened to chosen family wherever you get your podcast. What sign are you by the way area. Of course I love it. This is a CBC podcast. Hello I'm David Plaza before an DP leader. Jug Meet Sing was competing for the country's. He's talked John or became the first person of color to lead a major national political party. He probably caught your attention with this video. Russia people tall. We retreat someone rug. We welcome you we lose. We welcome you. We love you. That's just me responding to a heckler at a meet and greet in Brampton in two thousand seventeen that video may sing a celebrity fast forward to this current election campaign and sing is again being recognized for his response to a racist incident this time to photos of Justin Trudeau in Brown face and black face so seeing this image is going to be hard for a lot of people is going going to bring up a lot of pain. It's going to bring a lot of hurt. Please reach out to your loved ones. Please reach out to people who are suffering in silence as much as there's been prayed. There's also I've been plenty of criticism around him. Being ill prepared for the job of national leader today. As part of our federal election profile series will get to know joke beat saying the. CBS's Hanadova does here to help us do that. She's been following his story for years. This is from burner Hi Hannah Hi thank you so much for being here. Thanks for having me your back. Are Your back from the campaign trail. You're just for a couple of weeks. Okay okay good and then and then what you go back out I go back out with the Liberals and then I end with n DP leader Jagmeet Singh thing so I kinda miss being out on the campaign trail. You get used to it good. Well I mean. It sounds like you'll be back out very soon forward to but but let's talk about Doug me today. That's why we're here and I want to start with what happened last week. So I know that you were on the campaign trail with Jagmeet Singh when the first photo of Justin Trudeau in Brown face surfaced and as people may remember Jug me spoke to times at night and the second time was really emotional the so many people in this country that believe leaving taking care of one another. I know it's hard to believe right now but there are tell me what was happening behind the scenes. Yeah let me tell you why he did to responses to those photos so it was out of town hall. It was a regular town hall there about one hundred people crammed into the room and it was a really diverse crowd in that room to and that's when the Time magazine story broke seeing hadn't seen the photo when reporters asked for his reaction the report that asks the question made sure to mention that the prime minister's Office had confirmed that Trudeau was wearing during black face and a photo and it was back in two thousand and one before he was prime minister before he was a politician. I'm wondering what you think about this and the response from sing you could see that he was emotional about it. There was almost a gasp in the room from the people. There and sing took a deep breath. He thought about it for a few seconds cans. What's troubling. It's really it's insulting anytime we hear examples of Brown face black facing. It's really it's it's. It's making a mockery. Korea someone for what they live in what the relived experiences are I think he needs answer for it and the room agreed applauding the leader so as Trudeau then held his press conference on the plane. I shouldn't have been I should've known better but I didn't and the movie story. We are on a bus. we were told that sing would speak against so sing watched Justin Trudeau and his response in his hotel room. He made some calls to some people and one of those calls was the reason he came back in front of a camera and yeah yeah it was like it was one of the calls to his friend. Yes sort of reference that in the speech when I responded earlier I hadn't seen the image itself love and seeing the image jarred me and I wasn't sure if I wanted to come out and give a statement but I got a message from a friend and we don't know what that friends said to him exactly but we do know he addressed it and he got extremely emotional in front of the camera. You could see that he was upset. His eyes were watering but also that conversation with someone who didn't want to identify didn't want to go into great detail about it. We assume that person was bullied. The lead that the image affected that person and that person was unable to fight back in their own experience and talked about the Fazlullah auto races amount in my life and I can be honest with you. I thought back when I eight races my father my this but there's a lot of people that weren't able to do that. One of my friends told me how he wasn't able to do that to speak to all of their talk to all the kids out there all the folks who live this hour grown up and are still feeling the pain of racism. I want you to you know that you might feel like giving up in Canada. You might feel like giving up on yourself. I want you to know that you have value you have worth and you are loved and I don't want you to give off with Canada and please. Don't give up on yourselves. He was leader praised on how he handled it yeah it was just one of those moments you know. It really reminded me of that moment with the heckler back in two thousand seventeen at that moment that we talked about in the intro. He's he's really calm. He's he's very classy. See you know growing up as Brown skin turbine bearded man that I face things like this before. It's not it's not a problem. We can deal with it. Let's go back in time. What were the expectations dictation of him. At that point. I think those expectations were pretty high of him because people when they see him in a room want to listen to him want to learn more more about him but it doesn't translate sometimes through a television set but why do you think that is. I think there's this barrier. I think you know even with us on TV. You have to push harder in order to get that message across to for people to know who you are and I think I think that was part of his problem at first to is that he couldn't push that forward but on the campaign you know you see that he knows how to deal L. If unmanaged difficult situations two we are talking about the heckler and that almost seems like when he addresses these people he's taking a page from Michelle Obama's Thomason late book. No our motto is when they go low. We go hi and then even on the campaign. Jamie there was an event in Montreal where where there was a heckler that disrupted that and seeing pipes up and says look let me give you a hug you know you're disrupting this and he goes up and he does give a hug disarming the guy and you can see the guy in the video going saying Oh good hug good house good. He's not the best idea. We've got all these young. He didn't go back to a little bit of protesting but you could tell the totally disarms yeah and he handles these situations by remaining remaining calm he handles them with class in this is his brand though love and courage right the title of his book yeah so he is charismatic person he's very genyk and after that incident with a Heckler earlier on too many thought he could potentially compete with Justin Trudeau uh-huh celebrity in particular you know the shine was kind of wearing off troodos fresh face image and sing was potentially seen as the guy who could win the hearts of voters on the left. Those progressive voters since we're talking about his image right now one another thing. I find pretty interesting about him. Him Is that he's looking incredibly. Well dressed but interestingly. This isn't just about dressing low for him right. It's about something more than that yeah absolutely and this was something thing that his dad taught him. He said if you WANNA be taken seriously you have to dress better than the other person kind of like dress for the job. You want not for the one you have. It's important Horton for him to look sharp often wearing three piece suits. He calls it his social armor. He says there's a lot of stereotypes about a man with a beard and a turban so he feels feels. This is a way to disarm them and potentially stop them from having preconceived notions very athletic overcome that by showing listen. I'm ready. I'm ready for the role of ready for the part dress the part art but then you'll hear the words. I have to say these values. It's interesting to think about how strategic that is or sort of deliberate yeah absolutely I think he has talked a lot. You mentioned before love encouraged the title of this book and and he has talked a lot about his own upbringing and how it's shaped his politics politics particularly in this book and and tell me what was it like for him. Growing up yeah sing was extremely forthcoming in his memoir that you're talking about their love and courage courage about his family about him about the struggles they faced and they faced many so jug needs parents in fact gave him his brother and sister anglicised names which may not know so jug meets real name on his birth certificate is Jimmy powers to help him fit in better at school. However at the age of eight same decided he wanted to use the name Jug meet and he would stop cutting his hair so he writes in his book about kids bullying him taunting him asking him if he was dirty thirty because he had brown skin. WHO's really confusing as a kid because I thought I'm the same person that I was just last year in grade to grade three all of a sudden I don I started getting bullied for the way I looked. That's one of the things and yes he did fight back at times. I didn't give in but it was. It was a bit crushing defeat. Every day. Going to school was a gamble. Would I get picked on today. What I get into a fight with someone attacked me but seeing also wrote about his dad dealing with alcoholism and in in fact he talks about this issue frequently at rallies. He tells the crowd about how he wants visited his father. You know he wasn't living with the family he was estranged. He was living alone. The house was a mass that he was in and sing says he remembers how he had to carry his dad who had lost a lot of weight in order to bathe gave him but it was in that moment seeing him so frail and so ill and had heard his self so much that I really believed there is no other way to describe the Senate illness. No one would choose this for themselves so his dad lost his job. He had private healthcare that you know they put him in Rehab. It didn't work but in in the end it was because of publicly funded healthcare that his dad was able to get help and to get better so as a leader you hear him speaking a lot saying this is publicly funded care is something he says has to continue has to be available and available when it's needed and this is a message. He uses quite frequently at the rallies. It should not matter on the salaries should not matter their job. They should be able to have the access to care. They need everyone our country but there's also in this is really really sensitive. That sing talks about allegations of being sexually abused right as a ten year old boy by his taekwondo instructor. My we've tried to push ahead was to was to say to myself something happened. It's something I don't know how to deal with so. Let's just not think about it. He says in the book. It took him years to talk about it. Because he was ashamed he felt guilty. He didn't want his parents to feel like they were to blame but he realized at a point he wanted to send the message to others others who may have experienced something like this that it's not their fault. One of the things that was really important to me was a tear. Fred told me that wasn't my fault and that was really special and because I knew it wasn't but I didn't. I didn't say to me in fact. He didn't even tell his dad about about this until the book was about to come out because it was in the book. Wow I didn't know yeah so you you can tell he and his family that's just some of the examples have faced many any personal struggles defied those odds and you can see sing continues to express that he's going to do that again. On the campaign trail we have an exciting opportunity unity over the next forty days. We're going to bring a hopeful message to Canadians that we can build the country of our dreams. 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Sikh and there was a controversy very early on pretty soon after he took over the party over an interview he did with CBC's Terry Milewski asking asking. It's not a let me just finish it. I'm just asking is it appropriate to put up finish my sentence and at the time sing didn't want announce extremists who glorify winding Palmer one of the men responsible for the Air India bombing. Is that appropriate yes or no so it is so unacceptable that the violence violence was committed. The heinous massacre that was committed. Is something that six Muslims Hindus all denounced and he since walked back from that position but Hannah now. Why did he do that in the first place yeah well it took him months to walk that back in that interview as you say he didn't announce extremists within in Canada's seek community who glorify Palmer and to accept the Air India inquiry's conclusions that Palmer was the mastermind behind the terrorist attack that killed hundreds of Canadians so you won't announce those posters of Palmer. I don't know who was responsible but I think we need to find out who's truly responsible. When he came backout. He's to walk back. He said that there are some in the community who have not accepted the findings right Air India inquiry so they still find it hard to accept that Palmer was to blame. I think the displaying of a picture of Mr per mar is something that really traumatizes hurson injuries people that are suffering so much in terms of that loss in their lives and I don't think it's appropriate so I don't think it should be done but if someone else is doing in an event I still think it's important for me to reach out and speak to people and talked about talk about my I journey and I think he was trying to walk that extremely fine line but taking months to do that didn't help him right right. It felt like he was trying to make like like a very nuanced argument about something that for most people was really not that nuance at all no there there there was the inquiry that came out and have these conclusions and I accept the findings of the of the investigation of the inquiry. I accept them and I condemn all those responsible yeah. What are the handling of the situation. Tell you about how he may deal with the high pressure. I think would be federal leader. Yeah I think he learned he cannot odd dabble in nuances. He has to be very clear. He had to have known that question was going to be asked of him. and you know even the chair of the Air India Families Association Bow Gupta. His wife was killed on that flight. He said if saying is a would be prime minister and he can't answer predictable questions about a terrorist attack. It's astonishing these criticisms of unpreparedness it didn't they didn't just come from this incident right like no he was criticized for not knowing his party's position on the Firearms Bill and having to ask a colleague for hope all in the middle of a news conference. Can you tell us whether or not your caucus behind behind you in supporting this at this point. I'm I'm just a moment to clarify time. He was confused about a recent development. In China. Canada relations will doing a TV interview. The ambassador from China accused Canada of quote white supremacy. If you were the prime minister what would you say to the Chinese Janis Right now. Sorry who accuse you of white supremacy the the ambassador knew what do you make of criticisms that he just isn't prepared and and perhaps doesn't yet have the policy Gravitas to lead the MVP to victory. I think that he has learned from from that is well. You know he probably wasn't prepared for those interviews. He didn't know what his party's policy is but so far on the campaign he he seems to have learned from that and at the events when you ask him questions about the costing about the details. He seems to have all of those answers. He hasn't been caught up like he. He has in those you know standing in front of a television not knowing what is happening that was a learning curve for him and he seems is to have move forward from that at this point. I'm thinking of like former. MVP leaders like Tom Mulcair and ED broadbent here who like I know loved loved getting into the nitty gritty policies were kind of policy wonks and house Jagmeet Singh different from them. I think when it comes to Jug neat saying he wants to use his personal experiences to talk about his policies. So it's more of a personal connection with people you know he uses the example in his dad a lot and so you kind of get the sense that he's a bit more like Jack Layton to the other to think of all the people who came before us the millions of men and women who believe so passionately in a more fair society and they refuse to give up often in the face of overwhelming on weekends at I'll talk to you you about the MVP itself so you know we you and I've talked about this on the padres before the MVP had a lot of trouble fundraising there in like kind of dire hire straits financially right now saying is starting the official campaign low in the polls and with a diminished war chest. How much of this is a party problem or the judge me problem I would say it's probably both of the party was in disarray after you know they ousted Tom. Mulcair the ground around game is not what it once was. It's virtually non existent in some places. They're having difficulty getting a full roster of candidates to run in this election campaign this is also a big problem in Quebec for them. You know the end EP have fourteen seats their polling shows set all of those are at risk and they could be wiped out in combat yeah. This is a province remember that gave the Party official opposition status in two thousand eleven under Jack Layton's orange wave and remember this to this is why I say it could be both is that this is the province that bans the wearing of religious symbols for some positions of authority recent polls show that you know quebecers the majority of them support built twenty one and it's obvious you know Mr Singh wears. There's a turban and carries a pattern. He also has a French ad that opens with him wrapping his long hair up in a turban fifty so you think you a centrally his very identity is a political liability for him. Yes yes I do and the reason why I say this. It is a very sensitive issue but I mean I've heard people on the sidelines who won't go on camera saying things like like his policies seems like a nice guy but I can't vote for Brown Mana Turban. They won't talk on camera but another person said to me at a ploughing match. They hadn't seen someone wearing a yellow turban driving orange tractor before right so this is what people are saying and sings team even admits. It's an issue okay looking at the aftermath from last week with the Trudeau Black Face Brown faced controversy. Do you think that it could also be a political asset for him. The idea that he's the only political leader equipped to talk about racism from life experience there there was definitely a different feel on the campaign after sings response to that issue definitely a different feel. It's like that response was to address. The people who felt the prime minister was mocking walking their lives and he said he's felt that in the past he even said at a rally in Windsor after the Brown face black face issue came up but to be honest with you. I really do believe that. People are are seeing themselves reflected in this campaign and that to me is the most important thing and you can tell there is even a different feel in the room there. It was a bigger crowd. people were really connecting with him. The Excitement Roy. I feel people are seeing themselves so this could be a moment where voters reassess and take another look at singing the end EP. I'm not sure though if that's going to translate into end EP candidates candidates getting elected but there was definitely a different energy on the campaign since I can't help but thinking talking about Tokyo things life he has sort of always been an underdog here right and I was thinking of Jack Lead in in two thousand eleven his numbers also started out around thirteen percents or not very different from the MVP is now and so this the idea that he's accustomed to being an underdog. We've got about a month ago. Do Do you think that that could be an advantage here or do you have the sense that it might be too late. Deepest time around I think he revels in being an underdog. I think he knows what it's like his whole life to be in that position and if you look at when since he election started the liberals and the Conservatives have spent a lot of time attacking each other Justin Trudeau Andrew share often playing the political game this this is really allowed saying to focus on his policies so he's out there trying to get people to know what he stands for get to know him better so many people go through so much. They need someone to stand up for them and I hope I can do that of course is a lot of work to do the MVP vp are pulled tracker shows still a very distant third but he never appears discouraged by this and you're saying well Hannah. Thank you so much for this. This was such an interesting Kerr sation. I learned a lot. You're quite welcome okay. That's all for today front burner comes to from ABC News and CBC podcasts. The show is produced by Shannon Higgins. Elaine Chao imaging pressured Crisper Bay Derek Bandra Wyche is our sound designer. 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A prescription for transparency

Party Lines

25:24 min | 2 weeks ago

A prescription for transparency

"Flood lines is a podcast series from the Atlantic about Hurricane Katrina in new. Orleans. It follows the lives of four people who lived through the flooding and its aftermath and shows how government failures and misinformation led to tragedies far beyond what the hurricane cost host van newkirk shows what we can learn today from that disaster fifteen years ago you can listen to flood lines wherever you get your podcasts. This is a CBC podcast. Hair Rosemary Barton and I'm elamine demuth on. This is party lines and parties are exactly what I'd like to talk to you about rose just one party, one party, and particularly with the Green Party elected a brand new leader enemy Paul it was your first leadership race in fourteen years. So let's take a look at how this might change things with Greens. What does Paul Bring to the table? Okay good one I. Also WanNa talk about something interesting this week, the prime minister revealed that he had to go and get a Cova test back in September it came back negative but because of what's happening south of the border because the president tested positive for covert, there are questions about how transparent politicians should be during a pandemic lots to get into. Let's do it. Okay. So the biggest story in the world I think I think that's fair to say biggest story in the world right now is that President Donald Trump tested, positive tested positive for corona virus he and his wife and that now I think we're up to the double digits in terms of people who were in contact with him or staff inside the White House who have also tested positive for coronavirus thirteen by my count thirteen by your count. There you go. So a large number of people showing how the virus spreads very quickly and you can be a super spreader fairly easily. That's the story that is obviously affecting the campaign you're talking about on your other podcasts party in the USA, but it does lead to questions for us and I think interesting questions to because the prime minister this week said that you back in September he got a cove at tasked I'll I'll let you I'll let you hear what he told us just on Monday earlier in. September I had a bit of a A. Bit of a throat tickle is probably the best way. I could say it bit of a a raspy throat. So I checked with my doctor and he recommended I get tested. I got tested. It was negative and I I went back to work a few days later when the when the doctor told me I was clear to do it. So, came out just in A. SORTA spontaneous way and you know press conference. Of course, we know that the leader of the Conservative Party Erin O'Toole and his wife tested positive Mr. Tool is now returned to work and we know the leader of the book quite Hosoi Blanchette and his wife also tested positive and he too has returned to work. The commitment has to be there to protect our health care system keep it universal. Also learned today we recorded this actually end EP leader Jagmeet Singh went for a test earlier this summer and his test came back negative. I had a test and I waited in line at a at a public tested testing facility. In Toronto and I'm guessing just really quickly that was negative test was a native tests. Yes. But I think there are some. Questions about how much given what is happening in the United States and given that you know Donald Trump's a are giving press conferences on the regular. How much disclosure of of these kinds of things should we expect or do we need in this country? I it's something that I hadn't thought about since probably, March, because the prime minister has just not been talking about it and I remember in in maybe march or April he said that he was going to self isolate. while. He's not showing any symptoms while of course, his wife did have covid in March, the prime minister's wife and what I remember from that period of time was finding it kind of remarkable that Trudeau wasn't going to have the test. He was just simply go to self isolate because she's going to wait until he has any kind of symptoms, and since then I haven't really asked myself the question of you know how often does a prime minister need to be tested he's from time to time you know I'm going. To go into his office, he's from time to time I'm having meetings with people and information about his testing protocol has just not existed not because you know not because nobody's thinking about this but simply because we just don't have that political culture of disclosure and and I'm I confess now that I'm watching the Donald trump sort of saga play out. I am finding a little bit odd that we don't have that political culture disclosed often we're having our tests I'm and and and how often that's happening to our our leaders Yeah I mean, we also didn't find out that MP's had access to a different sort of testing Q. Until Oh tool tried to go get a test where everybody else gets a test in Ottawa and was like I can't wait this long and then got access to these To a faster line essentially for MP's. I can I think you could probably make the case for people who are acting in the public service who are representing people you you would want them to know quickly but I do think it raises questions about whether this pandemic has changed anything around What we need to know around politicians, health I I will I will point back to Andy former. MVP. Leader Jack. Layton who are are covered a lot and back in. Two Thousand and nine. So this would have been after the two thousand, eight election. He was diagnosed with prostate cancer, which she told people about we then went on had the twenty eleven election, which is when the orange crush happened throughout Quebec and the country and Jack, Layton led the MVP to form the official opposition but it was that year that it was revealed his cancer had returned and he subsequently died, but we were never told Kind of cancer came back. We were never told what he died of. We were never given the specifics and it's not that that stuff can't be personal. But this was someone in twenty eleven who had a real shot at potentially becoming prime minister who was leader of the official opposition and if the cancer was. Life threatening was that something that Canadians needed to know? You know I I have to say that first off I, like our political culture like I like that we as a rule, don't pry into politicians private lives. That is good that we have a different bar for the things that you report on. But having said, all of this Kovic feels different like even if I liked all of the practices of secrecy that we have the current is different and I'll tell you, I'll tell you, I think. So because. Politicians are actually right now making specific asks of us is people like they're they're asking where masks they're asking us to maintain social distancing. If you're in Ontario, you're not really sure what they're asking if you because who even knows at this point but but but Kobe is different because if a politician gets a positive test, I think he can go into like a big stew of the things that voters used to base our judgment on. fancier had said that he tested positive after those pictures of him not wearing a mask at the airport, a surface I think that would have consequences for how people evaluate Anderson here aaronow tool tested positive and you know what? If you were up re late watching that conservative convention you have noticed that he was in a room with a bunch of his supporters. Well, looks like maybe two dozen supporters in a pretty tiny space and some of. Them were wearing masks and some of them were not and it was not just the day that he that he won that victory on on. TV The next day there was this photo of his entire campaign team. They posted a photo of them posing together thirty two people you know Lincoln Arms only one person that hopefully was wearing a mask and he was a little boy there was not any of the grownups in the photo. So that's. Those are remarkable things that you can refer back to and say, like, is this a pattern of behavior here from politicians? Are they taking the mask seriously so I'm not sure it's the same as Jack Layton cancer diagnosis because there are things being asked of us that have to do with their health as well. Yeah. You're right I think that's a good point and and the other point is is that that One was a personal health issue and these other things you're talking about are serious. Once in a lifetime, we hope a public health crisis and everyone's as you say being asked to behave the same way. He hears I think where I would say it's a little bit different and it is kind of the my guiding point when I do journalism on other things that could be considered quote unquote personal private Is there is there demonstration of hypocrisy in the actions of the politician versus what they're saying So if Justin Trudeau for instance Had tested negative as he did but was walking around all the time with no mask on or was making light or playing down the pandemic I would I would sort of you know question why he wasn't more forthcoming about the fact that he suspected or he worried that he might have symptoms. This is of course the case of of the president not without warning to get into your other podcast topics. This is this is part of the reason why it has become such. A huge political issue is because he has consistently and even now when he has, it downplayed the threat of the virus and and done so with his words and with his actions. Is Not the case from any of our politicians frankly So I, I do wonder if if it's the hypocrisy on the other side of the border that that is actually the story as opposed to knowing Knowing exactly the health record of of every politician I. would also say this Justin Trudeau didn't test positive if he had tested positive, he would've told us I mean he would have had to tell us so. That's a big difference too. But the thing is like if he had tested positive, then we would have had to go back and sort of like unearth the last two weeks of his schedule and sort of examine what he had done where you David and and and and be able to maybe render judgment on those and I guess when I'm when I'm wondering is. Should there be a protocol that is public that is established I regularly find out maybe once a week find out if a politician tested positive or negative just kind of consistently, and then use that as sort of a basis to judge their actions for that week. And I maybe I'm too stuck on this judgment bit because the other dimension of it is people can get people get sick and that is something to be taken seriously but but I do I do have to say that like there's something about a politicians public image and them testing positive for Kobe that I I do think it is fair for for the public to evaluate them on that Yeah I. Think you're right And I think it's also a fair question to ask when was the last time you had a Kovic test I mean right now in this province anyway, they don't want people getting tested if there is some dramatic. So I I don't know that politicians I don't think we're at the point in this country we're politicians are just getting tested you know regularly the way they are in the White House, for instance I guess we could decide that that was an important thing to know and to do and that they should all get a regular test to make sure that they are all healthy but I guess my other question would be if it's not something if it's not going to necessarily affect their ability to govern, is it something that we need to be briefed on every second of the? Day right I don't know like that. Be My other question that I mean obviously, the virus could affect your ability to govern if you if you were hit hard. But if it if it's not a constant threat for you or if you're taking all the other precautions I, don't know what would be the benefit of knowing that you that someone had a test or didn't have a test. 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Rosie the Green Party's been around since I don't know nineteen, eighty, something nineteen, eighty, three, I think I read somewhere its last leader Elizabeth may has been the leader of the party for fourteen years and as of this week I have a brand new leader. So that's enemy Paul she's that leader she's a lawyer, an activist she won the leadership on the eighth ballot. She's also the first black woman to run a National Party though not the first black woman to run for leadership of a party that honor rosemary goes to another Rosemary Rosemary Brown who finished second ED broadbent true story enemy. Paul's also the second Jewish person to run a political party. And let's hear from her in her own words. We do politics differently, and in a way that I believe Canadians we'll see is extremely suited to this moment. We never would have gotten through the the worst phase, I phase of the pandemic and we're not going to get through the next phase of the pandemic and on the road to recovery when we eventually get there without collaboration and cooperation that Canadians have seen it and we all hunger for more of it. And the Green Party has always been the party of that I gotta say I went back and listen to the Green Party leaders debate which the good folks at the agenda is Steve Pay. Did that's a place where I used to work a long time ago. And I was listening to this debate and there was a lot of just really vigorous agreement a lot of brick. Yeah. That is exactly what we need to do. There are a lot of building owners show there's ideas but even in that debate, she stood out as someone who kind of kept insisting on communicating grander larger vision of the country and that kind of came through in her first few speeches and interviews since she became leader, what is your reaction to her know public appearances so far? Well, I have. To admit that I did not know of her before even though she previously ran in the last election I. You know you don't you don't know every candidate and you certainly don't know every candidate for party. That's doesn't have official party status. So I was interested to hear her and interested to learn more about her this week things like you know that she's a lawyer she's a mother of two that she worked at the International Criminal Court basically that she's incredibly impressive and smart lady from from what? Languages four languages is the child of immigrants like all those things that that are impressive in in any human, and particularly in the leader of a political party I think what interested me most though was this move from. A woman in the form of Elizabeth may who had been there for a while You know white a little bit older quite religious actually who had a certain view of the party to something quite different I mean I think there are similarities in that they are both quote unquote sort of moderates inside the Green Party because there. was there were there were some people in spite of all that vigorous agreement who wanted to pull the party a little further left if possible but I also think that that enemy Paul represents something So different from Elizabeth May and probably something that. So different from all the leaders and probably something that we need more of like it's just A. For lack of a better word like a fresh voice with a different perspective and I don't see how that could be good for the Green Party and potentially threatening for the DP right? No. Exactly. I mean she she beat a pretty crowded field. A field that included by the way Glenn Murray for Mayor of your hometown Somebody's got like pretty blythe recognition and what stood out to me is like as she keeps returning to this articulation of sort of just a vision of Canada, actually me a lot of Justin Trudeau in two thousand fifteen in the sense that when you had the end ep at the time being the opposition really in the weeds of giving very specific policy ideas similarly with the Conservatives The liberals kind of went another way they sort of began to zoom out further and further, and that seems to be so far. Anyway, the kind of articulation that enemy is bringing to the table and and and that is not something that is currently in the political scene like everybody's talking about the pandemic and talking very specific policies and enemy policy just right now, not playing that game. I. Found it interesting how she winks at the characterization of the Green Party is a single issue party like I. Think one quote that she said was while it depends on the issue if it's issue that matters and that's you know that's not such a bad strategy. To the Greens are kind of this engine of progressive ideas in the country and she's she's very much dedicated to that idea of where the Green party could be and I find that to be like an interesting Let's say threat. To the peace hold on the left because certainly there's no reason why the Greens can't that position I guess. My counter to that would be though. A political party or are you a an idea machine for other political parties? Right I mean we had an election where the Greens got three seats right? So that was that's their biggest con the their biggest win ever in federal election But to be honest, that was somewhat disappointing for the Green Party in the last election because there was success for green parties provincially, there was a real sense that there was some momentum building in the country for the Green Movement and That Elizabeth may would be able to benefit from that success. I mean, you know two more seats is great but it's it's still not significant. It doesn't give you party status. It doesn't give you additional funds to do things inside the house. So I guess my question for enemy Paul if I ever interview her hopefully I will would be are you in this to win more seats or are you in this to influence policy both are both are laudable? I don't think there's a right answer but. Or can you do both? But I think at some point you have to sort of. Line things up in a way that you can actually win more seats in order to have greater influence. I think that's what I mean but but I would also say the thing that in impressed me when hearing her talk was talking about having people at the table with is such a you know something we're talking about a lot these days trying to get more diverse voices at the table because you. Can't have a real good conversation about systemic racism in the RCMP if there's no one at the table who has experienced some of that, an enemy Paul has been pretty upfront about her own experiences with racism. So I mean I think that changes the discourse I guess I just want to know what is what is the sort of the political strategy because it can't just be a conversation right? You know she. Actually addressed that very question on our sibling podcast front burner. She was asked about whether the Green party's emissions are to win seats on. We're just influenced policy and she took that question head on by saying, yes you to the Greens will absolutely pursue winning seats but she does want to focus on collaboration and figuring out a way to push other parties to to adopt the policies are on the green. Party agenda and and I'm wondering if there's appetite for for collaboration in this environment, particularly this environment of you know a minority government where where the the Liberals or any party I would have to go to other parties and say, Hey, will you lend me a hand she has come out and said, they green will not be supporting the the the throne speech by liberals because it simply doesn't focus enough. On the environment, the those. That's one of the things that she mentioned but it might be too early to say I'm what those new green policies might be. That would help push Green party closer to those ambitions really move the discourse because right now they've been they've been leaderless for for a little while and this feels like maybe a chance to start a new. Yeah and I should say first test of that it comes in the Toronto central by election she is running against a very another formidable candidate frankly marsin. Is the liberal candidate. They're also a super well-known see TV broadcaster She's also black and a very impressive communicator as well. So the first test Frenemy Paul is, can she win her own seat in that by-election, which is happening October twenty six and and if she can, what does that say about sort of her appeal for a to voters and then if she doesn't, you know what's her plan to try and get into the House That's going to be super interesting to watch too worth mentioning that there was some tension because Elizabeth May called on Jagmeet Singh to sort of stand down the candidate in Toronto Center where enemy probably running. I'm Jay talked about how it's kind of been accustomed that when when there's a new leader trying to get into the house other parties don't run a candidate against them Of course that that particular custom was was not followed when Doug meets seeing himself was trying to get into the house in the by election in British Columbia. So I can imagine that he's got no. Particular will to follow that customer at the moment. Yeah, and it's also you the custom really applies if you hold the seat, not if you're trying to get it so it would be for the Liberals to say Oh forget it. We won't do it but It was an interesting attempt by Elizabeth made to try and help her successor. It's worth noting in that front burner interview enemy. Paul. Said, I have no interest in in any any of the parties sort of standing down there candidates he's fired up she's ready to go for this by-election. So that's where she is at the moment. I've come to think of that sound is actually meant to just depress me like just. Further in Tacoma Depression, which is not something that I thought of when we first named this segment last call know that sound belongs actually in a museum because he's from an air that has gone by it's Never GonNa Return again, nobody's GonNa Clink glasses ever again Atlantic Canada like they. They've figured it out. No one's allowed inter out. That's it. That's the only way you can clink glasses. Anyway it is. Also, I'll get past my depression It's also the sound of last call. And we're going to get right to it this week. It's what we talked about off the top. Do you think that elected officials? Should inform the public if they're getting tested for Kovin ED tweet us. I'm Rosie Burton Element eighty-eight please for the love of God. It's twenty twenty throw in a Hashtag party lines so that we can actually find it. Let us know what you think. It's true. I need that stuff that is it for party lines this week from ABC News and CBC PODCASTS I'm. Rosemarie Barton chief political correspondent for CBC News, an Alameda, the mood culture writer for Buzzfeed News he happy Thanksgiving and to you too Powell. Thank you with like the one person you're allowed to have it with or whatever. I better. Not Catch a picture of you with like a giant table of people gathered under Turkey I. Don't even I don't even know giant of people. Anyway. Stay. The next week. For more CBC. 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A brawl for the climate change vote

The Big Story

24:07 min | 1 year ago

A brawl for the climate change vote

"A year ago when people wondered which fringe party could matter in the twenty nineteen election most analysts pointed to maxim burn, as newly created People's Party of Canada. Would that party grow? Could it eat into the conservative base, when it split the vote on the right a year later that seems a little silly? The People's Party is still at just a couple of points in the polls. But it turns out there is a little party that could decide the election, it was on the other side of the spectrum sitting right where it's been all along waiting for the rest of the country to reach these same conclusion about the key issue. They're most known for that they'd reached years ago, climate change is not now I repeat that not an environmental issue. It's a massive security threat, and it needs to be dealt with by government at all levels, a security threat that requires taking bold action, one of the clear things that we've seen from, from this, despite election. I want to congratulate all the candidates who who ran in. It is a Canadians are really preoccupied about climate change are Canadians really ready to meet the green party, where they've been living all these years sure every poll shows support for the party is rising, but luck rising is relative. When you were as low in the polls as the greens typically are in federal elections. So even if that general support is there will it translate to results. Will it translate to writings, one can it make a difference on election night? And if it does at whose expense, welcome to the fight for the climate vote. I'm Jordan heath Rollings. And this is the big story, Cormac mcsweeney is the parliament hill. Reporter for city news. And for the Rogers radio brands and also for us iconic. Hey, how's it going? It is going really well. I'm hoping that you can kind of parse this brewing fight on the left side of the political spectrum right now for us. It's a remarkable dynamic right now months to go before the election were seeing votes evaporate for both the liberals and the New Democrats, and they're all shifting green, you know, the old saying it ain't easy being green. Well, it's pretty easy right now, because things are looking up for Elizabeth may and her party. We've got the greens polling at probably the best that they've ever pulled that federally some polls have them up at around twelve percent, which is huge. Because back in two thousand fifteen the greens were, I think less than five percent of the vote. So they've more than doubled their voting base in the lead up to the. Twenty nine thousand nine fall election. So they're firing on all cylinders right now. And the liberals and New Democrats are wondering what the heck to do to make sure that they keep those voters on their sides. But also, not only that steel voters from the other progressive parties to try and make sure that they can secure some sort of victory, and try and stop the conservatives who are also firing on all cylinders right now. So it's a it's a heck of a fight on the left as the conservatives continue to gain momentum. And it's going to be interesting to see what happens is there. Anything concrete, you can point to we've talked a couple times on this podcast, most notably. When they had a chance in P of the sort of, general affection. The greens are seeing in the rise in the polls. But is there anything concrete, you can point to that might be driving people moving to consider the greens? Some of this is based on stats and polls. And others is based sort of anecdotally. But I think what we're seeing is a few. Different things here that is just creating this perfect scenario for the green party. One is the fact that climate change and the concerns around climate change on a broader national scale or finally, catching up with what the green party has been preaching for years and years. And that is, we need to take action to protect the environment and protect our earth, and Canadians are now really catching up to the point where this is becoming one of the biggest issues seen nationally among the voting public that action needs to be taken and serious action at that. That's one thing one aspect of it. Is that Canadians are catching up with the concerns for the greens? But the other aspect all of this is that we're seeing kind of a collapse and a failure, if you will from the liberals and NDP to take a look at the new democrat side of things. Jug, meet sing failing to gain traction is since taking over the party leadership. We've seen the end EP. Of fallen support. He's struggled to get the attention that he was hoping to get. There was a lot of excitement around. Jug. Meet sing in the hope that he would be this charismatic dynamic young leader that would really help vault the end EP back to the level that we saw with Jack Layton that has not happened at all. And he's, he's struggled in a number of interviews as well where he's been accused of being too vague on certain issues or possibly flip flopping on others. And so while they knew Democrats are struggling the liberals have had problems of their own Justin Trudeau back in two thousand fifteen was able to unite the progressives behind him. He stole from green supporters and end EP supporters, and some conservatives and, and really built up this, this perfect sort of momentum around him during that long campaign in two thousand fifteen that helped vault him from third him in the liberals from third party status to government, and it never happened before. But since taking office, a lot of the promises and a lot of the things that he was. Elected on have created problems for him, just looking at things like the promise to change the way, we elect, our MP's read. There was a lot of hope that, that, that would actually happen in never ended up happening. The liberals have had other scan whole such as SNC laflin and the, the more recent problems of the Mark Norman case, those are eating away at liberal support as well. And on top of all of that. I mean with environment with the environment being a big issue in the eyes of Canadians, some are pointing out, what people, some people see as a contradiction of the liberal position while they say, we need to take serious action on climate change. We'd need this carbon tax. Here's the government buying the trans mountain pipeline to make sure that the oil from our oil sands, is being sent off to other markets something a lot of people who are very passionate about the environment disagree with. And so you have a lot of troubles for the liberals and the MVP right now. And a lot of progressives who don't know where to turn because they're dissatisfied with what they see from what is traditionally been the two left or left of center parties. And now they're looking to the greens as a possible, viable option. And so you have this perfect scenario, as I said, where climate change is becoming more of an important issue in the eyes of Canadians, the traditional parties that Canadians have known for decades are not satisfying, a lot of these younger voters. And they're deciding you know what? Maybe whether it's a protest vote or legitimately giving the greens shot. They're definitely looking at the greens with a lot of serious consideration. When they look at them, especially for those people for whom climate is a major issue. What do they see exactly what gives the green party? The credibility on climate to. They have a specific plan. They do. And actually, it was just recently released. They entitled it mission possible. And I think the, the whole thing is that the greens for years have been branding themselves as. As the environmental party now that can work against them in certain ways, where they're sort of seen as only a one issue party. And it's, it's a it's an image that they've been trying to shake for some time now under Lisbeth may. But nonetheless, the greens are seen as a very credible party when it comes to the environment, you ask any Canadian like, who do you think is the party that would do the most to try and save the environment? I think the green party would likely be the number one answer. So they did release this ambitious plan for the environment. At a time when a lot of Canadians are paying attention to these issues. They are pitching to go well beyond what the liberal government has said, we'll be its targets in terms of dealing with greenhouse gas emissions. I mean, well, beyond the fact, they want to double the reduction target. So the liberals say they want to try and hit thirty percent to reduce greenhouse gas emissions from two thousand five levels by thirty percent by twenty thirty while the green party says we can do better than that. We'll do sixty percent of reduction from the two thousand and five levels of by twenty thirty. That's a dramatic shift and they're not just looking at, you know, pricing pollution as a way to deal with this. They're talking about some major projects such as retrofitting every building across the nation and eliminating our reliance on foreign oil making sure that from province to province. Renewable energy can be more easily shared something that even the conservatives are kind of pitching with their energy corridor option right now. So the, the greens have released released a very ambitious plan. And I guess now that it's out there. It hasn't had a lot of time to really set in for Canadians, whether they're paying attention to promises like this so far out from the election or not as another thing. But we'll see how they respond with these very ambitious targets that Elizabeth may and her green party have put forward two weeks ago. The greens actually one abaya election which. Which feels like something that doesn't happen. How did that come about? And what happened in auto afterwards? Because what I'm fascinated by, in this story is the number of people who have kind of seen a rise in the polls from the greens, but to your point written them off, as a one issue party, or while they can't climb that high can they and did this send a message are their people in auto Wah, talking about them? Now there are definitely people talking about the greens. And I think this by-election victory although I will say that by-election results are usually not reflective of where things go in general election ratified, it is a way and it's seen by some as a way to send a message to the government of the day. Prime minister Justin Trudeau said the day after the by election that he gets it. There's a message from Canadians they care about climate change, and they want to see action on climate change. And that's what his government is focused on through its carbon pricing system and. So I think there was a message sent to both the liberals and the end EP that they need to need to up their game. When it comes to environmental issues, the end EP as well as changed its tactics since that by-election result. And so, I think a lot of politicians while they were seeing some of this growth in this so-called green wave sweep across the nation and a lot of buzz and a lot of talk about the greens, it wasn't until we saw on federal scale of victory such as having the second elected, and p from the green party arrive at the house of Commons before they started to really, you know, publicly address this, because I'm sure that behind the scenes, both those parties were looking at the greens as, as a potential threat and trying to figure out what to do. But again, this is all come recently for the greens, where they've seen this rise over the last several months as we. Part of it to do with the focus on climate change part of it to do with distaste of the otherwise traditional parties that Canadians have been voting for for a while. But I think there was a message sent and, and people are adapting how do people see Elizabeth may who may be until recently, not many of them ever thought much about there's a bit of a joke around Ottawa that Elizabeth may is everyone's political aunt? You know, she's a likeable person, she has something to say about almost everything, but up until recently, I don't think a lot of people actually were considering her as, as potential prime ministerial material, and I think, more people are sort of giving her a bit of a shot. She's not distasteful in any way, you know, you haven't seen Elizabeth may be the subject of a lot of controversy. She has she's had her own problems within her own party. There has been pushed back, there have been allegations that she's been a bully as a leader. Things like that. But whether Canadians have been paying a lot of attention to that something else, she is seen as somebody who has integrity, who has a passion for what she does. And I would be hard pressed to find another MP in the house of Commons who spends as much time in the house of Commons, debating on almost every different subject, then Elizabeth may, so she's very committed to her work. There is broad support for Elizabeth may. But whether that translates into prime ministerial materials something else Nanos poll that just came out recently actually has her in terms of the preferred prime minister. She still well back behind Andrew Scheer, and the current prime minister Justin, Trudeau who come in and around twenty eight twenty seven percent. Each may is actually in third back a ten percent, but she still holds about a three point lead ahead of the NDP's jug meets sing, so you could argue that anecdotally, she was kind of written off by. Lot of voters as you know, we like her, she seems like a nice person, but she's not prime ministerial material. She's starting to change those perceptions a little bit, and she's climbing. In terms of the preferred prime minister, index as well, as you know, in terms of general, party support so things are looking up for her, but a week is a long time in politics. Let alone months to go before the next election, I think both for Elizabeth may in terms of personal branding, and the green party in terms of their national branding as a party. They have to be concerned right now that they don't cress too soon that the wave doesn't break a little bit too early before the election campaign. Yeah, that was my next question is just what do they need to do from here to make sure that they can grow that base? Because you know we're talking about numbers like twelve percent being really impressive for the green party. And that's great to see if you're a green party supporter, but it is twelve percent is a long way from where a legitimate contending party wants to be. That's true. It's, it's still very. Far away from, you know, becoming the governing party of our federal government. But at the same time, they're on their way up the question now is, what will they be able to do to actually keep this up nationally? And there's, there's a lot of risk because of the fact is we just talked about. They might be cresting too early. They, they have a lot of momentum from earned media basically through their achievements. Whether it be the opposition, impeach, or the by election win in Nanaimo Ladysmith out in BC, and they won't get that kind of bump up again throughout the summer months because it's we're not intimidating to have any massive surge for the greens in any other type of electoral format. So, you know, we'll have to wait and see what happens over the summer, a lot of Canadians just to note, first of all, so a lot of the momentum that they're getting right now, when Canadians get back in September and start to get back to their daily routines, Willie still feel the same way about the greens, the liberals are starting. And interesting messaging line right now, which the greens have to be concerned about, and they're countering, as well, the liberals in the days after the, the nighmare Ladysmith by-election where the greens won the second MP the liberal started saying that they needed to unite against the conservatives, the conservative premier's, who were fighting against the carbon tax that progressives and Canadians had unite against the best option to protect that action on climate change. Now that is clearly a call for green party members, and New Democrats to say if you wanna stop the conservatives, your best option is a liberal, and that kind of fear tactic politicking does work at times. It depends on every scenario will will have to wait and see what happens in two thousand nineteen but that's, that's the way the liberals are likely going to play at whether they're flat out saying, don't vote green, otherwise voiding for Andrew Scheer in the conservatives and other. Conservative premier's or whether they're sort of hinting at it. That's the message that's going to be sent to voters. So Elizabeth may not to be outdone is kind of countering this in, in a little way, she was on Huffington post's podcast recently. And she said that she hopes that prime minister Justin Trudeau still tries to form a government, even if he doesn't win the most seats in the house of Commons, and it's an interesting tactic, because I will say this for Lisbeth may, she's always, talked and defended different parliamentary options in the house of Commons, which according to our parliamentary democracy, you can have a party finished second and still, get the confidence of the house and still remain government, even though they didn't win the most seats from the other parties. That is a possibility that happens in other countries, it could happen in Canada. If there's a will to do that. But she's pitching that sort of softening the voters to the idea that the greens could play a role in being decision-makers in being the balance of power to support the liberals. So while the liberals are saying, don't vote green because you could be voting conservative. The greens are saying vote green because we could be the balance of power in a situation where Andrew Scheer could form government, but we might be able to help stave that off anyway. And so they're at least giving those voters the option to say, well, wait a second. It might not be so bad if we have more greens, and they're, especially in BC, where the green party does hold the balance of power right now with the end EP in a government and as much as BC was stuck after that election in a very tricky situation. You know, their provincial. Government hasn't blown up yet. And so this is probably going to lean towards millennia. Sales and younger generation voters who, don't traditionally stick with the traditional parties. It's not your Grandpa's politics anymore. They might be much more open to having a minority situation than what we've seen in the past I save this question for last because it's kind of crappy to ask. But it keeps occurring to me. You mentioned that we're going to spend all summer without a chance for the greens to really jump back into the fray and gets more publicity. If this summer is really bad in terms of wildfires, which there's one out in Albert a right now and flooding, which we've seen in Quebec and Ottawa and other places. Is that the way that the green stay in this conversation does that help them? It would be unfortunate that actual disasters is the reason why we're talking more and more about protecting our environment. But it's just a fact that we are seeing more of these stories, pop up and the discussion, turning as a result of. Of, you know, whether it be wildfires or flooding the political conversation around these natural disasters is shifting towards what we need to do to prevent this moving forward. The greens are definitely going to be a part of that discussion anytime that pops up UCLA lot of reporters gathering around Elizabeth may ask her what she thinks on these issues. She is a federal party leader, first of all, but at the same time, that's right up the green party's alley. So if we have a summer where this is kept consistently in the spotlight. Yeah. The greens will stay apart of that conversation that could help at least maintain the support and the rise that they've seen in the past, I think one issue and one risk for the greens here as well is sort of being shut out of the conversation. Not so much of the fear factor that could pop up where the liberal say, don't vote green, or you might get the conservatives as, as a government, but it's interesting because the conservatives, whether it be Albert pre. Jason Kenney Ontario. Premier Doug Ford, federal leader, Andrew Scheer. They're all really attacking the liberals and only attacking the liberals the conservative path to victory out of all of this is to have a split progressive vote. They like seeing the greens doing so. Well, they like seeing the DP and greens around that same twelve to fourteen point percentage, point Mark, because it's eating away at the liberal, chances of winning some of these more contested ridings, and so that could allow the conservatives with just maintaining they're thirty percent base to come, right? Up the middle and win a lot of these seats so they need to see these other progressive parties. Do well, if they want to stave off the liberals, but the conservative messaging around all of this has been attacked the liberals attack the liberals attack the liberals. So what they're doing as a result of that is potentially making this a two party race. And that's what the liberals would like it. They wanna be seen as the only other option. But through this. Debate over the carbon tax. It's become conservative versus liberal, as opposed to progressive versus conservatives. And so that's a risk for the green party over the summer, if we are talking about this, and the conservatives choose to only attack the carbon tax over all of this, and they really wanna hit ho hit hard on the cost of living aspect of the carbon tax, then, you know, for the end EP and the greens, they risk being shut out of the conversation, simply because of the tactics being used by the conservatives will, see if there's a softening and a change of tone from the conservatives as they fine. Tune their message because they do want to make sure that both of the other progressive parties are being a thorn in the side, if you will to the liberals, but it's going to be a very interesting dynamic. I don't know what's going to happen in the fall, and I find that fascinating I'm really excited to see how this all shakes out can the greens, hold this sort of momentum. You know, there will. It will be tough. It will be hard for them to do it. But there's a possibility there. What happens with the end EP? Can they see a last minute surge in any way whatsoever? And then, you know, regionally and in terms of specific writings, how this all breaks down for the liberals and whether we see a collapse in liberal, not necessarily popular support across the country. But in terms of liberal seats in the house of Commons, because of, you know, a more general progressive support vote, amongst different parties. Nobody knows we'll wait and see what happens, but it's going to be a fascinating race to the finish for the fall twenty nineteen vote. Thanks anytime. Cormac mcsweeney, always a pleasure. He's our man on parliament hill, and that was the big story for more from us. We're at the big story, podcast dot CA. And at the big story, F PIN on Twitter, leave us some feedback. Tell us what you think you can find all of the frequency podcast network, podcasts and frequency podcast network dot com and you can find us on any podcast platform you choose apple Google. 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The Boys S1E3: Get Some

Capes and Lunatics

31:11 min | 11 months ago

The Boys S1E3: Get Some

"This episode of Capes and lunatics is brought to you by tweaked audience awesome headphones good at tweaked audio dot com and use the coupon code. Southgate get thirty percent off free shipping and a lifetime lifetime warranty where he can get there through the Lincoln website Southgate Media Group Dot Com. It's just drew comparison. You're listening to Cajun's lunatics podcast me Hardee's and welcome to stream ahead are I'm your host Charlie. Only the Professor Esser and with me as always is masculine rich friend. Welcome back Eh. Full steam ahead season one episode. Three will we are going to be dismissing efforts. Season one episode three. Oh the boys yet. So the race of the century Adrian versus shockwave lying for the title of world's fastest manner. Meanwhile the boys are reunited incited and it feels so are critics this week. the recor- is Philip screwed. Greek Kia Asheville speech. You fill listen though and We've of course George Masters and Eric Fifty Are Representing being developed by credit George Masters is written by Eric refused the developed by guards. Ns End Derrick Robertson gets. It's are based on the comic book by and then when Cork Act and wow so we opened up right where we left off last week with a bloody Hughie and stuff. I guess you could say blood and guts to lots of well. You blow up a guy there's GonNa be leftovers and that got me thinking in that moment as he's wiping all this blood off of him unlike wouldn't his inside invisible too but then I remembered no. It's just his skin that is a but then you know when they scrape up body parts. They're all invisible is no point that I see like a point of severed. You know where you could see the inside of the flesh well and what it was. You I can't quite I think you do see something of a few minor things. But what is his body still has integrity. So essentially what happened. Is You know he blew up from the bowels. So really most of his body is still completely intact. So you know it's the Stock Machine bits in the bottom. So what is the blood approve the expenditure of that poop. Obviously they must have been a good deal of pope to how little I didn't. I didn't that you never never think of that. That's hilarious because he then P we know that as well We don't know when the last time he had a good bowel movement was so he may He may be. He may not have had anything to go right then. But you know you can imagine there's something in the mix so we wash your hands really well after that Becky Yeah so they They clean up the site And and then we go to our light seeing Madeleine right. Yes and sterling is expecting to get the old Hino. Yeah but as luck would have it. The girl came forward. Yeah that was good and so she's testing to the roof. Everyone's so pleased that she went up. And feed up these rapists fans who wouldn't be but then bought wants to change your image according and you're no I don't necessarily get where they're going with it except yeah I guess the idea of sex sells right you know and I guess on some level you kind of get the bill and that they probably always had this costume in reserve. They're always just waiting the chance. You run up the flagpole as it were You know I I do feel it seems a little And I don't WanNa say cheap but it does feel like contrived that oh no. We're going to do this now. And Yeah what did like about this scene was does how straightforward madeline is in that situation in dealing with talent so to speak you know. She's like well no you know so Sort of meandering about and sort of lightly trying to cajole a person. She's like no. This is the way it's going to be done. I mean regardless of how Borranuddin ruthless. Her intentions are. Oh how. What have you but How she handled? That was impressive. Well Yeah exactly and and for what it's worth. Obviously this is this is the business of show. And that's why she she is where she is exactly. We're not in you know as much as we like to do we are. We are selling a story and that was actually I really loved in. This was the The writer no it's funny is like The African American WanNa get his name is not Dave chapelle thing he looks like Dave Chapelle Malcolm Barrett. I think Yeah but He he he shows up later yet. lead US Malcolm Barrett. He shows up a few other times in this episode or in this but in the series he has a lot of backstory that very interesting and You know anybody because I didn't even realize days when I saw him in this episode that. Oh Wow that's the guy remember from later episodes and hadn't even put together. They were the same guy until like as you see. This is what he was asking to accept You know and it's it's it's it's it's a it's an interesting take out. They're going to go about you know tracking tracking this all down Now they go to the they go to. The we go to Huey in Frenchie going to he was placed right. Yeah Yeah Yeah. Is that what you're saying his room when he was funny he had in a train toy like he was fan of trains before. Then that's that's really the interesting. Oh yeah well you know I mean the truth is is that this is the world whereas with duper hero. You know it's it's why wouldn't you be renovate right right now. I just you know. Sort of You would think he always had this sort of attitude towards superheroes but no he. It was really heartbroken when all this happened. Not just because he lost his girlfriend but because he lost that fantasy well exactly I mean you know I mean that's the the thing is that for the vast majority of people in this world. You know superheroes are just what they appear to be superheroes. They are these people of amazing talents talents and skills who we are just super impressed by and are so happy to see and work with and believe it because because this is a world where yeah there is. There's magic you know dinner caused me happy real but you know the homeland or is it's very easy to not look too deep into it to see where it's going wrong in. Oh because obviously does not want anyone you know that it's it's just as important to vote that no one finds out about this kid the except that I would. It would not surprise me. That bought has had isis super to. Yeah you know it's like no you think you're something. Let me explain how this all works you even the last episode when it's steep no no well a little bit but no actually when I was GonNa say when Madeleine makes the point that the chairman wanted home lender to do something Mr Edgar yes and you could see homeland it Kinda get taken aback by that. Like almost like he was afraid like these guys do have power even over homeland is Superman but they they got they got the tonight too. You know and I think that is a very coming aspect because if if a homeland or does in fact have a Christian if there is a way that these people can be controlled and I think by the end of this we get the idea of what that is because we find out about compound V. We'll find out everything about compounds. The winters that mean to homeland. Or why does it it. Why would compound V mean anything like why would that be leverage against homeland? Because he doesn't need it. He's the ultimate superhero right. We know that a fair fair enough. Isn't that the way they're painting. I guess maybe this. So here's what we can say we can say that you can be a hero. Zero and not be on campus is obviously starlight was born with her powers. You're saying you're saying he's getting something out of compound via also like he's constantly on it maybe on and well you know if he's that that powerful maybe right and if he's that sort of single-mindedly lusting after power or exploit exploit its exploits. I guess we'll see we'll see how with aging how it does ramp him up where it doesn't matter how you can go. You can go back to where when he's running against Jack Layton. You know it's like He. He lapsed him. You know right yeah exactly you know and that is that super telling you know and Dan. Yeah we see I mean it is very interesting with no pop cloth with a a a really enjoyed that I love how they break in love. Just Huey just totally pulling his weight in there. Now we're GONNA create your sister edge. It's never nothing. How does the Superhero? No no you're toward the cable guy. If you don't you didn't call for a guy that just a prerequisite in any world that you don't open the door if you don't know who that guy is. I mean yeah your popcorn but you know who's the other guy yet at the navy this something to the fact that she's just as ignorant to technology as butcher and Mr Milk are you know. Yeah I mean that could be it. You know it just Ed. That's what they're counting on. Because because what we see with Papa is that clearly her superhero was very jealous and she mostly makes money appearing in movies as pop that you kind of get the feeling that pop claus Kinda like the you gotta get him that she was like a chick wolverine and she's super-popular because she is grounded but of course if all this sentiment you know you can do all those amazing things and everyone just knows your popcorn Bob and Dan you know she's all that but at the same time she's probably not all that you know that's the limitation of it Long now but But that is that that that they'd be breaking the day before that we actually have before Butcher trying to recruit mothers back to it and you know. It's such a bold faced liar like I haven't seen him in years it's like. He's been a sea frontier when he goes in the room. You know right right. But he's he's planned for that he's arranged for that. He's accounted for that you know he's just getting things done Telling him whatever he needs to hear in order to get the job done you know. Yeah Yeah and that is that is what that is You know it is I. I'm not sure if it I mean obviously he has these people. And that's what that's the crux of the biscuit. The loyalty is there. So he knows when he impose them a bold faced lie. They're going to accept it and they're going to go with it. Face lie is periphery to decentral. Narrative of what's happening is is that I killed translucent. And that was a true thing and that is what moved milk to join the fight and that was all true. The periphery stuff you. Could you know window window dress up a little bit and when they get to it they'll recognize themselves also that the central narrative is worth pursuing. And that's why we're all here. I think that since his perspective perspective we get we get a nice call back to that in the next episode two references Spice Girl The beautiful beautiful metaphor. What's we'll junior was the one with the was? It was really the Mike Nesbitt. People don't even realize that he was she was the one that actually was a professional studio artist and singer. Look around her. And it's interesting in this sort of their little reunion in the van You get a hint hint that like French. He had something to do with. Whatever happened with Mallory? Yeah well yeah. 'cause he looked at ramp later. Yes Ah beginning a little bit more than I still don't know and isn't like lamp ladder in the beginning of the first episode. They like. He's on a mission somewhere. Yeah or was it that he retired. Hire a retired. He's on a very special mission. And then I remember that was the cover story for going to prevent loosen that he was on a secret mission and the ones didn't they mentioned that initially about lap letter in the beginning in retirement. I thought it was okay. He was zero Talca. Gotcha actually I said. Although you know how he got retired is the question and it honestly from what we understand because they do. Do we get in this. What happened to Mallory? What no no? We don't even the next episode. It just slightly hints at something because at this point. I'm thinking thinking that Mallory was the victim of whatever happened and that in the next episode sorta painted a little differently. I don't know I it I still have no idea. Hey what's going on now. Only seen this in the next episode. Okay no problem. Yeah well I know from the next episode from what I got from it OK. It was something about the next uh-huh yeah so he yeah Frenchie and then from here I think we go to emotions get any. He broke protocol because does he got emotionally involved. And that's the danger natural mother. Smoke doesn't want happening again because if you get emotionally involved it's going to be hard to Ooh stay on top of all of us and my heart she defeat office because you know you got emotionally involved. You got pulled in the wrong direction. You weren't paying attention to. What is doc at the sun in the scene and I feel like that is. That is the inherent conflict between these two. But again I think that Huey Huey again in this situation where he is showing he's capable really Really kind of quietude. Because he is an expert to them and they don't know Jose quite how to take again. Although by the end of it you do see you know mother's milk you know essentially saying you know whatever whatever it takes right whatever it takes and you can see you can see huey kind of going. Maybe not whatever it maybe not whatever I debate but he. He constantly surprises me in that. He has these moments where he's confronted with tough moral decisions and he comes out at the other side. Always you know making the sacrifice. Yeah yeah well and that is that is why he started the show so powerfully character. The had to get Simon here. You know. They didn't WanNa do it without him even though he couldn't play the I like that seen with him and he we in the room as well. It was tense. It was awkward. It was you know Add so much like potential potential energy hanging in the room and as he's leaving I love how Frenchie sort of gives him a little bit of perspective is like man. You know you're over here sulking gang in whatever but you haven't really nice. Pay attention to that to that. That was kind of cool. It was very cool We also in this episode. We did he figures out that The girl he spoke to in the park and they go and have overpriced. Teeth is at the stadium and they have a nice little conversation in moments and really connect. And it's one of these things where it's like almost the you know this is going to end Corley for for viewing you can feel like these two are connecting human level. Yeah Yeah now And that's rough. That is rough because you know They want to end you. Know And Huey of course. He's got his own issues here because he's trying to he turns off the thinks it doesn't want them eavesdropping on him emperor but but it's also interesting me to end this scene. We actually do see. We see Tom We see what you're looking at homeland or inmate in the sand and homeland or catching his eye making high contact. Yes but it does look like. He doesn't know who he is. You thought so. I thought it was more like okay. Corral high noon sort of staredown before for they turned around and drove their guns kind of thing. I thought too until we get to the end and it's like home under is not even thinking so he has no oh idea he's just like this guy that that's kind of cool exactly. What does this look at this guys? Look like I'm coming to kill you. People Stare at him all the time that. Ah We're all at home under over the years. Maybe there's a few people living like. I WANNA kill you head track. Yes so it's is it in this episode or next episode where they find the remains of translucent. Because it's on that on on the inside of the thing it says I'm coming for you. And that's the look he had in his eye in the stands when he was staring down home lander so he's got to be able to put those two together together. I think what apparently because we don't see any hint for that in the next episode and it sorta imply that same sort of oblivious nece to superheroes in general when when they have the running with a train and he was looking at him dead in the face and he doesn't recognize him. It's that idea that you know they see people. All the time are separate from these people you know as as AS Roma Julia said as says Oh the the character from fighter Colonel Bison I know when I came to your village and Wren's second and killed. Your family was very many many. Who for you to know that for me it was just you know? And that's how these guys is like you know what it's kind of like the reverse of the Superman thing where nobody recognized him with his glasses on. It's it's Kinda like Oh you don't recognize anybody because you're that special. Well exactly you know and I think I think there is a some some strong argument. I'm going to that and who knows me a lot of these just awful Identify someone takes me a year to really be able to face crowds. You also have really bad eyesight. We also get that great scene with homeland and Maeve going to save the day and all manner takes a very very specific kind of pleasure pleasure out of killing the guy who already given up. Yes because honestly. I don't even know what that I was thinking. You know. Yeah he's got he's holed up. He's he's firing people. He's definitely under the teeth. You know. This is obviously going to bring about superheroes. I mean part of me wonders. If this was meant it'd be superior you know right over or or vodka planted that guy and then sent them over there to do their bidding and the guy thought he was on the payroll so I'm going to get arrested and maybe even thought he was about to get arrested but homeland or just wanted to kill something and the kind of the the look in his eyes how much he was enjoying watching that do diet just spoke to again that he was probably on the because he looked really wired that moment. Well you know. And maybe he's always you know and it is o alkyl love what we made. That homeland saw their relationships as a fair that was but at the same time he sort of threatened her if she ever dated anybody else exactly. Well that's the idea is that it is a that. He sees their relationship. As you know we're together forever and it never was. It was like they. You know they were together. And she didn't have a voice what happened and what she was also having relations with madeline possibly. We don't know that I don't see them actually have sex that she has a baby and like I said I I really feel Hollander. Maybe but then again. It's that weird thing where he if so much jealousy of that Beijing. Yes first time. He's the person we see the baby Goo Gaga. I didn't depend on. And he's not getting Madeline Evelyn's attention he gets very how that newly baby you're it you know so I found that and I find that like Nemo's interesting aspects commanders character story. There is that yet he is absolutely you know not cool with with anyone you know he is. He's always looking for someone to tell him. What a good boy and when someone else gets attention it is which is it angered? And isn't that interesting. Doesn't that make for a well rounded individual. Oh Yeah John. Of course we get to our final scene with the landlord So what so you think mechanically speaking happened did something else come out of her or was just her superpower expulsion. So or did she squeeze that harder what were they like claws come out of there to know it was it was I. I took it to be just is that that As she is as she. You know the muscles tense and you know and as happens happens you know because she oh you course in that scene as we see she is whacked out on the you see you see when she dosing how how blurry everything gets how. How is she's likes plotting thousand pounds? Oh yeah is that she is. She's on Vian. She is separate from the overall world of it. You know just sees what she's doing and she is in that spot and then and and of course when you're on the V.. Obviously you know. Everything's cranked up to eleven. So you know the idea that she could trade some sex for rent. Seems what can I do to her at the time. Yeah and that poor man that put him landlord in you. I feel so bad you know no better shit wreaking. Yeah I I you know. He got mesmerized. Is it happens. You know maybe she was given out from pheromones or something. I mean those all those pictures on the wall John You know he was an old man. I guess you know I feel bad for. I feel bad for the actress playing pop hop claw because as discussing this scene was the most disgusting scene to me was the scene where she's You know On top of eighteen she goes you want me to do the thing that he will see. I do the thing. And she goes up and puts his whole toe in her mouth. That was so That was so disgusting I mean but like Oh my God that was just like in an uncomfortable not even like a cool disgusting and apparently that's a trains. Yeah I mean I understand it. Because it's like he runs his feeders thinking you know I can. I can understand that. I think it was a cool. Little thing. That if he was is going to have like a quirky fetish thing that would be awesome. Let's face it. That's that's just the go-to for they WANNA say. This guy has a creepy sex thing. It's always the right actress she had. I wonder how many takes they had to do that. Didn't make honestly it's if she's you gotta do it. She's she's she's going to do it right. The first thing right. That's true that's true. I didn't directors Eddie as opposed to look like but yeah so but they do have but the have pop cloth who's GonNa Spill on Compounds E E which can lead to a next adventure next week in the female of this in the meantime Do you WanNa do the the Hardee's for this episode requiem. Yeah okay so I'm going to say for me. It's working man. He show business. This week is our is our Landlord he had to put up with so much. So hard. Working actor is let me see if I can find him here. cats Were so for mine. I'm going to say the hardest working actress. This episode was by far pop claw cloud that was actually going to be my artist. Britney Alan Alan. Yes hardest working actor in show Bizz this week for that disgusting scene with the With a trains feet the Christian Bucko as Alexi is our is our landlord. Who now those do they really carry this entire episode? You know and wrestle nod into a madwoman again. This week is jess is always good. Doesn't do much in the show but she is really good Okay in the meantime Mas Move Exit food-aid feel is the hardest working person in Sunday show. How can they find you? Oh they can email mel me at Mas Manzoor gmail.com or find me on facebook under Mas Manzoor M. O. W. M. A. N. D. he w O R and of course if you'd like to write community. Oh fascinating away are Moslems did you can do so at superconductivity blog doug at GMO DOT com. That's superconductivity love all one word at gmail.com correspondent on the twitter as tweet pain when I feel like it whenever never happened to be at Gerry. 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How to serve up your politics this Thanksgiving

Party Lines

24:36 min | 1 year ago

How to serve up your politics this Thanksgiving

"This is a CBC podcast Hey I'm Rosemarie Barton Element Abdul my move and this is party lines where we try to help you make sense of the federal election there's not that much to go with the rest of the campaign for more C._B._C. podcasts Goto C._B._C. Dot C._A. Slash podcasts. This time round advanced polls are open longer so they're open from October eleventh to October fourteenth so there's an opportunity there when you're full applied to like roll yourself thanks giving weekend as well so it was sort of they also use it as a way to get people to start thinking about things reconsidering things drawing up contra the polling station and cast a ballot two but it also matters because there are places where these races are very tight you know one of the things that he was September first and now it's somehow giving so it's a great time for everyone to talk politics and maybe get into some arguments yeah and that's that's the case I wanna make for everyone maybe talking politics listen I don't know when Thanksgiving arrived honestly Kinda stuck up on me like it was just a minute ago people always say to me and I don't know if you hear this too is my vote won't really matter right like it's not it's not really you know my writing always goes you know red or blue and prostes and in the last election there is only a couple of advance polling days but there is a huge turnout in those voting days those two days of voting one point six million people they made sure that they wore their buttons around the Thanksgiving table kind of like made sure that the political conversation definitely happened a mess because it's time for people no I wanNA make the case that there are things to talk about and you have some opportunity to do it this weekend okay Lemme Lemme start one of the reasons you should talk about policy underestimate the importance of Thanksgiving weekend as an opportunity to talk to your family about why they should get out of vote he said one of the things that ninety nine she's volunteers did six is just to try and get everybody out to vote because voter turnout matters in every election it's certainly mattered in two thousand fifteen and it will matter again in the next election official voter turnout breath thanks giving yeah it's Thanksgiving not that I'll get a chance to celebrate but I hear that there will be other people eating Turkey and pie and actually like really get into the the issues on the platforms and discuss what they really care about and and how do parties use Thanksgiving Week indoorsy well the last election fell over I talked to some people and Whatnot Hey I'm GonNa talk about your plans this past Sunday in a little while as we get to the debate but for now I'm thinking today the Thanksgiving table is the place to talk politics and hopefully avoid exchanges like this one this Thanksgiving no Yelling no hysteria so why would I bother right and in fact it does matter Eric Green is done this great right up of sixty writings that could be the places to watch during the election it's On for Twenty fifteen was sixty eight point three percent so up seven percent over the previous election it was the highest rate since nineteen ninety-three where was sixty nine six so probably not the best voter turnout in the world or anything but decent and a and a good motivator for getting out there and and duplicating or at least matching what we did so let's do it riding Wendy what are you say grace dear Lord thank you for this Thanksgiving holiday and all the material possessions that we have and enjoy is the same for all of those writings in it around the GTA that like belt around Toronto that is really dense in terms of population and in two thousand fifteen I was talk by one of 'em Calgary mayor he entry strategist by a year and a half ago one of the things that he mentioned was that you cannot really beneficial in terms of winning seats you need to clinch all of them or most of them if you want government so those are some of the writings where Rudo sort of sunny ways of stuck or not yeah and that's actually where Jagmeet Singh was on Wednesday so he obviously sees that there's a possibility to win that writing back to and ends at sort of go back and forth a little bit you WanNa talk about some of those yeah go ahead well I mean listen I WanNa talk about my writing because that's on the list devonport here in Toronto it was things flip around they move around a lot but there's also writings where things are incredibly close so the two closest ridings where literally your one vote would have made the difference ars CBC website our politics page sixty writings where it could be a toss up in the country where the election will be won or lost not because it's so so close but because those are the is Edmonton Millwood's Alberta and that's the writing of energy so he One of the Cabinet Liberal cabinet minister he won in two thousand fifteen by nine Oh my God they're getting closer so imagine bob so and so didn't come out right for Daniel Blakey You know that would have made a difference in him in Him Iki note that win now aw that was not my family that was the Thanksgiving scene from the nineteen ninety-seven filmed ice storm and you WanNa make the case that we should all ruin our Thanksgiving dinner liberal stronghold since nineteen sixty two and then Jack Layton managed to turn it orange in two thousand eleven the Liberals took it back in two thousand fifteen the question is can they hold onto these writings that the conversation with them so if they were a die-hard partisan I I wouldn't bother trying to convince them I'm not sure you're going to get that done over Turkey right like me family members anymore because of where they're situated politically I don't think we are at that stage in this country I think we are still at a place where you can have a reason double conversation even if you are fairly entrenched in your point of view right it is is probably a marker of good things that are politics or not so who who understand politics and policy different differently from you because that makes your understanding richer even if you don't like you know uncle Bob you just like be if there was a considerable amount of wine you might get it done right but I don't think that you should spend your Thanksgiving dinner trying to convince someone to come to your side what I do think would be useful bill would be to start discussing some issues that matter to you so climate change affordability all the things we've already talked about on the podcast and try and get it who votes and he to wile okay another one elmwood trans- Kona in Winnipeg my my hometown Daniel Blakey from the MVP one by sixty one votes hey I'm for letting US white people kill the Indians and steal their lands and stuff ourselves like pigs you know children rose on users we're having these conversations over Thanksgiving weekend you're often sitting down with at the table with people who are not especially diehard partisans like how would you begin have all these progressive voters that now might have some doubts about Trudeau so the bats that's a that's a writing that I'm watching clothes not just because I live but it's an indication of whether globeop talk it's fine yeah I mean and and in some ways we are in a much better situation than in the United States there Thanksgiving isn't the same time as using here's one that's less polarizing economy it is usually a huge driver for turnout for elections and it's generally an issue people it's interesting that you have you know climbing marching across this country where hundreds of thousands of people turned out those people will be sitting down at the Thanksgiving table sense of where the parties stand on that but I also don't think it's GonNa make sense to judge people based on what they say about those I'm an active judger people's either so intense that we cut off family members over what one of the issues that sort of this would be a good place to start if you're sitting down and like a predetermined result this is an incredible insertive Revolutionary Act so for the love of God vote Yes e Pi talk about it and then get ready to vote I see your point you're trying to get across here no I think I think one thing that people kind of complain about when they're sitting down with maybe extended family is I am not a member of this household do my concern not count I think those climate marches like really sort of set the table if you will for this for this thing Sir some of them might not have a vote and if you are a sixteen year old who's listening to this podcast first of all thank you and second of all I think there's something to be said about convincing really hard to have like to legitimately be able to complain about a party if you haven't even bothered to show up I will say that in in the same vein there's a there's Riyan not the approach to how you deal with the economy but everyone agrees that they wanted to do well that things could go better and they want to make sure that economic growth continuing thing one of your parents to vote on your behalf because they they might be coming from that perspective say my vote doesn't count right now but so I know that sounds dry for Thanksgiving but I think it's a good place to start before you get to climate change well the reason I mentioned I was so climate change because to me right right and and here's the best reason ever for doing it other than democracy and all the things you said because it's really hard to complain the next day if you haven't done it it's Rosey I'm one of the maligned millennials I'm I'm a part of a generation I really am very sorry but like my generation's killed what are you start with usually like squash soup or something climate change rosy no no that's the first dish on the menu to the Turkey but climate could be sway you in one direction or another you know I would actually my question would be I'm are you going to vote for me too because I care a little bit less how you vote and a lot more everything we've killed cereal we've killed casual dining they blamed us for killing golf they blamed for killing hooters at a certain point I don't know why ah about all the views the political views that they have to contend with that they don't normally have to deal with I actually think that's a good thing but you should often have to hear from people who see the world differently from you Dan you kind of alluded to a little bit a few minutes ago because without young people that 2015 election math would not work out in the favor of Justin Trudeau right really good piece of Maclean's about Syrian refugees who came over in the last few years yeah and this will be their first election voting and And the giving okay so say you do the economy yeah you do climate change probably now you know you've got matches their `tatoes yeah like how are you going to finish this but I don't I wouldn't recommend any of them broach politics drinks giving their so polarized I mean I have done some reporting down there and there are people that don't speak to all they can to talk about young people to talk to the anxieties of young people but I think before we get to the what they're saying we should probably talk about the why that's right 'cause they voted in record numbers for them really do you want to do the numbers or should I love to do the numbers the numbers voter turnout among people aged eighteen to twenty a year olds and they jumped from forty five point one percent to fifty seven point four so you know a big number of those votes went to Trudeau and and in other words party young people not not just young people young people talk about because some of them feel it's a better way to represent them climate change certainly is something young people can about a lot and I'm just going to go there but he also promised to legalize marijuana and young people have generally more open and to respectable ish fifty seven point one percent and then the next age bracket so the people who are not too young not too old this is a really good job of teasing out that you might take this for granted but for people whose whose voting was very much like a sham 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Inside the divided Conservative Party of Canada

The Big Story

19:15 min | 1 year ago

Inside the divided Conservative Party of Canada

"It's never good when critics can sum up your performance as a politician with a famous sports. Blooper yeah they use a good Canadian analogy. It was like having a breakaway on an open net and missing the run pass Spiel. And that's why despite yes. Increasing the Conservative Party seat count and yes despite forming a strong opposition and taking a liberal majority down to a minority Conservative Party leader. Andrew Scheer is still fighting for his job shear survived a caucus meeting last week. That ran for hours only to emerge and meet the press and walk right into a perfect example of exactly what like many in his party. Think cost them the election issues like same sex marriage. You are still not giving personal view so my question for you. Do you believe that being gazed. Then we made it very clear during the election in the last few months and years. Our Party is inclusive we believe in the quality the rights of all we are. My personal opinion is that I respect. The rights of every single was an answer that try to please both sides and ended up leasing no one and it was a perfect picture of the division within the Conservative Party right. Now we'll sheer your move further towards social conservative issues to save his job even if it costs him the next election is he willing to put his personal no beliefs in front of voters knowing that many of them will never trust him unless he does and can the Conservative Party as a whole unite around a direction. They could help them win. What should in theory be a very winnable next election and an election? That could come sooner than they think Jordan. He throwing this big story. Stephen Maher is a contributing leading editor at Maclean's Stephen Are you doing. I'm doing very well and for those of us which unfortunately doesn't include me. Who are able to kind of tune out for you bet after the election can you Explain what happened to Andrew share in the wake of the liberal minority win. A lot of people were very disappointed in the conservative. SORTA party that. The party didn't do better not long after the election. Peter Mackay at a forum in Washington said that Mr Scherr are had Missing empty next basically years ago hockey analogy a widespread feeling In in the Conservative Party. That you're was was not able to do as well as the party could have particularly when you when you look at some of the vulnerabilities of liberals I mean. This is a campaign that started with news it was about A AN RCMP inquiry into the essence Alaba fair and it was then followed with the Brown face and black face incidents so trudeau was gullible and the conservative campaign was not able to take advantage of those vulnerabilities tell me about last week's caucus meetings specifically what do we we know about what happened in there. Well we know that lasted seven and a half hours which is a long meeting The the first two and a half half hours were taken up with sort of procedural business involving of something called the Reform Act which was brought in by Michael Chong and the previous government as a way of empowering backbenchers and there was a key vote where the conservative caucus They had stand up. It wasn't a private ballot a private Secret ballot then just stand up and vote to give themselves the power to remove the leader so it wasn't a vote to to actually remove him but to maintain that theoretical power. I'm told that only eighteen people stood up. Certainly fewer than twenty so sheer sort of survived survived dot task. As I as everyone sort of expected he would write. MTV's even those who would like to get rid of share would be reluctant to do so in a caucus revolt because they would then be accused of having ignored the will of Party members who ooh selected sheer right. That makes sense. Yeah and it's true if say decapitated him in a caucus meeting then people could say well. I voted for him. You know. Why are you ignoring the membership and there is a mechanism in April and a lot of everything that's happening of the Conservative Party between now and the convention in an April is going to be geared around that whether she can get enough votes to survive he likely needs around seventy percent of the votes of delegates and and there are a lot of people in the party? I think more than thirty percent who thinks that the problems with share are not gonna get better before the next election elections. Can you try to sort of sum up the division about the problems with Andrew Scheer. Why do some people in the party? He missed the empty net. Essentially well if you look at polling it shows the Mister became less popular as Canadians. Got To know him better. which is not what I expected? What happened? I thought that Canadians would find him to be a A mild pleasant man but it turned out that as the campaign went on his disapproval numbers kept getting higher and higher. Now why is that. One thing that A lot of conservatives believe is that his is reluctant to discuss his position on same. Sex Marriage is causing a lot of problems for him the other policy. Let's see issue that caused problems at the doorsteps and particularly on Terron. Quebec is the environment the climate change policy that the Conservatives brought forward got very bad reviews the people gotta closely said that it would increase our emissions rather than reducing them in comparison to the liberal plan. And the other thing is there's I campaign mechanics at the end of the campaign. The conservative sent their troops to the wrong places. They seemed not to we know which ridings were competitive and which writings were knocked competitor that his unusual for a modern political campaign with all of the data. Ah with all the polling. It's Kinda surprising. It raises serious questions about the competence of Mr Shears team. For instance at the end of the campaign campaign. They were sending a resources to von Woodbridge. which were they were not in contention Nova Nova Scotia. where I'm from? I know that they suspend a lot of resources. Trying to get country singer. George Canyon elected in Central Nova where they did not have a realistic shot of wing. Meanwhile the the next riding riding Cumberland Colchester. They lost by five hundred votes and they didn't the troops there. So there's a there's evidence to suggest suggest that in sort of get out the vote and polling world where we're Mr Harper's parties Steven Harper's parties to be very good at this stuff that at some point the conservatives have lost the plot so you have these policy questions and then you have a sort of confidence question and then you have a kind of personality question about Mr Sheer. So so there's I think a very strong case to be made that They would likely do better with someone else. There is a counter argument that often often leaders do better on the second shot You know if you look at Jack Layton for example over multiple elections people got to know he got better rabbit and eventually you know voters decide to reward you. I don't think that's the case with share but there is a counter argument. Well I wanted to ask you specifically only about the way. The party is dealing with his personal beliefs. Because I thought you really Summed it up well Mcclain's and if you could maybe describe the dynamics wchs in the conservative party right now over What I guess has kind of been referred to as Andrew shares personal beliefs versus political right? So there's a there's there's a divide in that you have some conservatives including a lot of conservatives in Ontario and Quebec who on the subject of same sex marriage in particular you are saying. Why are we talking about this? Why can't you just tell us how you feel about it? And get past us. Because shears critics the Liberals or journalist keeps saying well. What's your personal view? And after his this very difficult caucus meeting A reporter do you think that homosexuality is a sin so while you won't go to a pride parade and he said he didn't answer the question he he won't say whether he thinks that being gay sinful. It appears that this is because does he would feel like a hypocrite. He is A serious Catholic and he does believe that this kind of behavior is sinful. And that's why like he can't go to a a pride parade. If that is correct he is out of step with Canadians. The polling shows that only about ten ten percent of Canadians now are opposed to same sex marriage. There's been an normal shifts in the last fifteen years. Since this sort of moved it became came a political prop potato When Palmer was prime minister once it was legalized? Everyone has basically got used to it. and we accepted Doug Ford went to a pride parade. All kinds of people accept this kind of community event as a way of showing support for people that is meaningful to that which is how I feel about it. Our neighbors our friends and neighbors who are L. B. Q. It's meaningful for them to have the community come out and say hey. We got your backs. Right sure won't do that so his some of his supporters are saying well. Why badgering him his personal views our personal views and it's got nothing to do with how he's run the country and that is a perspective but on the other hand if you want to become prime minister of the country can we really think? Ah Your most wrongly held. Beliefs won't influence your thinking so I'm sympathetic to the people who are suspicious of him on these questions. Can you explain like I understand the one side of the Conservative Party who must be saying like look just get modern And recognize that. This is an issue that Canadians are are settled on and let's move on but there's a force inside that party. That doesn't want him to do that. And I understand that they have their own personal beliefs. But I'm wondering what kind of political argument they can make That that sheer needs to stay and Align himself with the social conservatives so often these these these are people who are associated with the right to life movement so they're anti-abortion activists and they are increasingly powerful force in the Conservative Party of Canada and the Ontario Progressive Conservative Party and they in fact made Mr Sheer leader during the there were a couple solo conservative candidates. Brad trost here. LA- mu their support went to Mr Sheer during the leadership Similarly Tenure Grant Alan and activist in Ontario help make Doug Ford leader so there are a powerful force and when I read what they write about these things things they believe that if only politicians said what they believed in advocated for these positions more effectively or more forcefully than the public. Look Mike Come around I believe that. There is sort of unrealistic quality to that analysis and it reminds me somewhat of the inevitable post election analysis from the Socialist Caucus of the MVP. Whatever the outcome you can count on the left wing? MVP or saying well. We would have done better if we propose nationalizing the banks similarly you have the these A militant social conservatives who after every election say well. We would've done done better if if we promised to take action on abortion so they have an increasing close in the party and I think that the Mister Scheer maybe tempted to move closer to them because they can Rally support for him for this leadership review. It's not clear that he we'll do this. But if he does in order to engage with them more fully start to communicate Stronger social conservative positions. I I think that could be a risk for the party in that it will be associated more firmly in the minds of middle of the Road Canadians with sort of minority. Already views on these questions. Well Shirley Trudeau and sing would love to run the next election against a conservative party that's embracing The kind of spectres that they tried tried to raise about them and this one right. I am sure that the liberals are sitting back and praying that Andrea Sherr hangs on as Conservative leader. Because as Peter Mackay said he did kind of miss an empty net in the last election and and they can just continue to paint him as a social conservative. Who Won't discuss Won't be honest with Canadians about how he feels about things I find it. It's there's a painful quality to watching it. I think Andrew Shares in is a nice man. He's a a pleasant sort of character. After I I I'm sure he works without any problems with people who are gay. It's not like he's not a big it I don't think but he can't bring himself to say Well yes I used to oppose same sex marriage and my church says that's wrong but I see that You know there are things that are way. She could deal with this that he he just doesn't want to. Well does a Catholic too right. He's dealt with it. Yes yes that's right right now. Also they're they're basis different so so trudeau Does not have to worry about alienating social conservative supporters and I know if you talk to conservative politicians off the record conservative organizers and say you know I have you have you been to a pride parade. Did your candidate go to a pride parade. They do get pushback. They will tell you that when they do that. Some of their supporters will say well you lost my support. I don't believe in that that's wrong. So I mean Mr Sheer has to deal deal with basis. Mr Trudeau doesn't have to deal with Mr. Mr Trudeau is a self-proclaimed feminist has curry favor with you know abortion rights activists and also with. Gt Do community. He moved the party away from you. Know it used to be that you you could be anti abortion and a member of the Liberal Party. And he's he's Move the party to polarize along these lines. I I kind of feel badly for the position that Andrea Sherr is in because he may have to move in a way to keep his job that might make him less likely to win the next election election and thus put his job at further risk. I don't is there a way out of this firm. Can you walk a line. I think it's very difficult in less things. Go terribly for the Liberals in the next six months we are all thinking the conventional wisdom. The moment is that the Minister Trudeau has a stable Minority he can uh sit back and take time and proceed organized manner to meet parliament and proceed with his agenda. And that's the likeliest thing But if if something terrible happens if the RCMP announced that they are investigating SNC. Laval and if you have a a few decides to dress up in black face again or or go to some foreign country in the foolishly again You know right track record is mixed right. Yeah so there are things that could happen. That would put the focus back on the Liberals and would make the Conservatives feel that. They can't afford to change their leader in a minority parliament. So in a way I suspect that sheer is doomed as leader although he can hang on and hope that events transpired the change the circumstances for them that basically pleaded liberals The Trudeau government messes up in some important way right. Well the kind of sword hanging over all this as the technically. I guess we could have having election anytime after the throne speech right yes The government conceivably could follow the throne speech and we could be back into an election immediately. Really that is never the way these things play out And you know. I don't think we're ready for another elections And voters would punish any party that You know would Be Seen to recklessly brought out another a unnecessary election. I don't think there's going to be an election before our October. Nineteen nineteen twenty twenty one. which is the date at which the class of Twenty fifteen which is a majority of? MP's and this Parliament have vested their pensions and so none of them are GonNa want to go for another election before they crossed that finish line. That's a very pragmatic way to determine when we have another election. Well politicians are just people and Like anyone they worry about how they're gonNA look after their retirement so I suspect that they will suddenly feel a lot braver on confidence after that happens and I guess we'll see in April if Mr Scherr surveys I think it's GonNa be very interesting to be in Toronto when they count the votes that I'm going to put that in my calendar. Thank Stephen Thank you. Stephen Maher contributing editor at Maclean's that was the big story. You want more there on the website at the big story podcast dot ca there also in your favorite podcast cast APP. WanNa talk to us where to find us at the big story F. P. N.. 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How to read (and when to ignore) the polls

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20:34 min | 1 year ago

How to read (and when to ignore) the polls

"The big story is brought to you by Scotia. I trade there's a traitor and all of us. This podcast was recorded between the dates of Friday, January fourth and Sunday January sixth. It has a margin of error of two point seven percent nineteen times out of twenty. That's right. There's only two hundred eighty seven days left until candidates federal election. And do you know who you will hear about every single one of those days? According to a new poll, Justin Trudeau's liberals are. Stuck in slipping polls. Doug hole. Holzer valuable or else? They're worthless. They're indicators of public sentiment or else. They're rigged. They are old fashioned out of date easily game -able cherry picked for easy. Click Baid biased and just plain wrong, except they're also almost always right. The anyone who follows politics has a love hate relationship with polls, especially during an election year, and anyone who doesn't follow politics closely. Probably doesn't know enough about polling to know, which ones are important. So why are polls necessary especially now, how can we we'd through the signal to find the noise why if results are more accurate than ever are? They so derided, and what do you need to know about polls that you won't hear in the breathless reporting about the latest numbers? I'm Jordan heath Rawlings. And this is the big story. David Coletta is the of Abacus data one of Canada's leading polling firms. So David how many polls am I going to hear about between now and Tober twenty-first? You're going to hear a lot of polls. And it's not just going to be the horse race polls that tell us, you know, which party ahead or which is behind, but you're gonna get, you know, hundreds of polls that look at issues, and what we think of the leaders and how Canadians feeling about the economy. There's going to be, you know, election years, whether you like it or not I think you're gonna get a lot of polling this year. If you look at the past four or five elections, the number of polls only gone up, and I think that's going to be the case this year as well. We're going to see a lot of polling in part because I think there's a there's a fascination with polls. I think both media enjoy reporting them. It helps them understand the narrative. I think there's a lot of interest in the consumption of polls your. Listeners even if they don't wanna admit they like polls, they are fascinated by what their neighbors think of things. But I also think we're headed into an election that's likely to be very competitive, and the not kind of environment, you often see more polling firms getting involved and trying to understand the pulse of the country where things might be going without asking you to speak to Abacus data in particular or any of your competitors. 'cause I know it is a pretty crowded field. What is in general when you sort of entered this stage of a race? And the polls start getting ratcheted up. What is the signal to noise ratio in terms of all the polls that are out there? How many of them are ones that paint a good picture for us versus sort of ones? That are flash polls that we should probably not put too much stock in any one individual pool doesn't really carry much weight. Whether it is an Abacus poll or not, and I think what we what sometimes for for a consumer of polls. Is you get different signals as you said that that really is noise that a one or two point lead for one party. Or another or change of one or two points from one week to the next or even a difference of really a picture between two poles doesn't really tell us all that much because there's margin of air built into all of these surveys. There is a a level of imprecision in polls. I think one of the the challenge is polling firms face is that the expectations of how accurate we can be has gone up. And that means there's an expectation that, you know, if we say that the liberals are thirty seven percent that few days before the election, and they don't get thirty seven percent. That's a failure of the polls. So given all of that. I think, you know, my best advice to listeners and consumers of of all the polls are boat to you're gonna vote to be dated with is to take a step back and say, what are the trends? Looking like if you look at three or four different polls. Do we see that the liberals are going up or the conservatives are going up or the end EP gaining some momentum as opposed to what one single? Tells us because because first of all again, there's that that Arab built-in. But another reason is as we get closer to the election. The polls should get somewhat more accurate, and the reason is because voters are become more firm in their view road one week to the next so much happens in politics so much happens in the world that shifts people's views that that anyone snapshot may not actually be an accurate snapshot a week from now, and it's always remember that that we live in a world where Donald Trump says something one day, it becomes the most important story that day and the very next day. He said something else that completely changes it or a report comes out that says climate change is far more serious than we ever thought or GM closes plant in Oshawa. And so these stories the short shortness of the news cycle also affects the way the people respond to surveys and the answers that they're giving. And so anyone survey really doesn't doesn't. Do Justice to the eggs inflows of public opinion, over the course of the next no ten months that we're gonna see leading into the election. How does the shortness of today's news cycle change the way pollsters conduct their research because you used to have a lot longer window to calculate the effect of a given story or an event. Right. Absolutely. Know, it means we have to. It means that the data becomes stale far more quickly. Right. And so if we wait two or three weeks to put out the results of the survey, the the world could have completely changed in those two or three weeks. So we really forces us to move more quickly to to do a survey. Get in the field get out of the field quickly report those results and preface it by saying this was the snapshot when we cook this survey because we know that week or two from now public opinion could shift or or or the the context in which we ask those questions completely changes. So speed becomes more important. I also think the way we interpret the numbers the way we we tried to explain changes. Right, everyone everyone when we see shapes for example in voter intentions. Someone says one week, you know, thirty five percent of Canadians are going to go conservative. And then it goes down to say thirty two weeks later, what caused that change becomes very difficult in a highly fragmented complicated world, and so it's really important from pollsters perspective. To to recognize the limitations of our ability to explain those changes, but simply highlight that there are some shifts that people aren't always consuming as much news, as as, you know, political junkies or news junkies might and so when something really hits when a big story hits an and I think back the twenty eighteen and the prime minister going to India was one of those events that here in the Ottawa bubble. People may not have initially thought that would how the impact, but the way that that trip was was received back home. You know, the prime minister was ridiculed by some comedians, and it became it moved from just political news into the broader conversations that people were having about, you know, the prime minister going to India and putting on all these outfits, and and maybe not looking serious as they should it had a noticeable fact on the results of their armaments when we can explain big changes. And there are others. Where it either the variation that pulling the science for polling will produce or combination of different things that that it's hard to pinpoint one specific thing. We try to our instincts to point to one thing you want, right. You wanna qualify about like I saw that trending on Twitter. So that's why this polling data is different. And I think a human it's human nature to say x causes y but in something as complicated. It's figuring out. Why Finland both ways that they do or why they might support one party today four or not it far more complicated than that? So I think it's really important to just take again taking step back and see how how these things go and not just assume that because we saw, you know, there were the moment even in the last few weeks where the liberals had a big lead. And then a week later. The polls are showing a really tight race between the conservatives and the liberals right at the end of twenty eighteen and soon after you know, the liberal sort of picked up a little bit more support. And so these were momentary lapses at happen that aren't part of the real world trend. Or just in sort of the getaway from the glib and focus on the trend. Now, there are going to be part of those who want the liberals to win or those who want the conservatives to win who will grab poles that rights narratives in that case, you know, it understandable. Why people do it? But if you're somebody who's trying to be objective into really try to get a sense of what's going on. It's better to look at a number of different pulled over. Of course, if you week than one single that tells a particular story that you may they're like or really dislike. Up next. There is the perverse incentive from the pollsters. Perspective to find that like shocking story in the number. They need to tell the story. There has to be something. Interesting. There's a traitor in all of us direct invest with Scotia. I trade become a new client, and you could get up to fifteen hundred dollars cash or three hundred free trades when you open and funded new account conditions apply. See Scotia trade dot com for details. This is a very practical question. But I feel like for the people that aren't tuned into auto are like not looking at the raw numbers, which most of us are not how can you tell a good poll from a bad poll ninety it's not easy because you don't have access to all the information one of the things that I think our industry, and and most of the companies in them are really pushing for transparency, right? I I actually think it's not really the responsibility of individual consumer to to know or be able to know whether good or bad poll is I think, you know, journalists and news organizations that cover pools are really meant to play that role. But you do they do a good job at that role. I think some do and some don't, and I think it's partly because and I didn't want to speak for journalists who who have to deal with the pressures of producing much content as they need to do. But many of them haven't taken a research, methods course. Right. You know? Upholster hands on numbers that that tell a really interesting story to conservative. They're up ten point. Andrea sherr would be prime minister religion. We're hope today that's a front page story. That's going to get a lot of click until you're gonna run that story. When you when you got that the actual pull from time. You can you know, it's not to say that the pollster the individual pollster is meaning to I actually think mo-, I almost all I am not going to point anything. But I think almost all of my colleagues in the industry are not biased, and they're not trying to turn the dials or change the numbers, and so the, but what's happening is our interpretation of those numbers and a recognition that again there's going to be pros. There's going to be up and down that no single poll is better than the other. I think our challenge is making sense of it all and so an individual consumer. I think it's it's why I come back to don't trust the single poll. What do you do as a pollster when you look at a set of polls? And you realize like Abacus is the one way out there. What does that set off? In your house. When comes across my desk, grew going to feel the interview fifteen hundred people, and and I get the final results, and and the result of don't really jive with my my speculation. I probably won't release it. I'll probably do another survey. I wanna verify that what I'm doing. Or what I'm putting out? There is the truth. And and like, I always prefer listeners from Alberta, for example. Like, I always I didn't do a lot of pulling in the last election, but it's just a quick history. Let's no, no Berta. They had the same government. Same party in power for over forty years. You know, Berta up until two thousand fifteen and that's when Rachel not leaving new piece surprised everybody by winning that election, ninety near the pollster who does the very first poll during that election who gets the results that says the end EP L Berta and EP is leading in L Berta, you would say, well, this this must be a mistake. Right. This. This can't be they've never won. They've never really pulled higher than twenty percent. This can't be possible. So my instinct would be. Let's do it again. Let's make sure that if we we go and get a different sample. We asked the same question if we get the same result. Then I feel confident that something's happening. And so I think as a poster I wanna make sure I I know I have a responsibility to I know polls canyon people's decision around what choice they made in Italy. Make and so I feel responsibility to make sure that the research is high quality, and that we we are doing the very best that we can to explain what other Canadians are thinking about things will you kind of touched on it earlier. The new cycle is so crazy quick and the grist for the content. Mill is always needed that. Even the journalists who do have the numbers background and do have the understanding to look at the methodology of Opole don't have time because the moments going to be lost and X number of articles need to be published every day and the liar. Polls are to be fair. The more interesting ones when you put them on social media when I get when I get a survey that says, nothing's changed, right? Ryan gonna put it. Anyway. But no one's no one picks that up. It's the moment. I say as opposed their own like like we found in March. We're we're the prime minister's numbers, you know, drop significantly after India trip that that pulled got picked up, and so there is this perverse incentive from the pollsters perspective to to find that like shocking story and the numbers in the same way that journalists and the editors want people to read or consume or listen to the content that they're producing they need to they need to tell the story. There has to be something interesting. That's where I think the the whole the polls are wrong. We can't trust the pull right narrative really builds in is because the incentives that we've were built in. And I think these are the incentives in journalism, generally. But it I guess feeds into or connect to even the polling world. And and so there's this constant pressure to tell the story to tell something interesting. That's controversial that's going to get people to to share the content or click on the link and again headline that says new poll says. Nothing's happened. That's not going to be that effective. Yeah. But in my world is social scientists as the pollster someone trying to explain what's going on in the public head around politics. Nothing happening is actually really interesting. Well, and that's where you get that dichotomy to right between like a site like five thirty eight dot com, which a ton of data journalism, and aggregates polls and all that kind of stuff. And you get the whole polls wrong narrative from the upsets like like Donald Trump's victory. And then you get no coverage of the fact that, you know, they nailed the midterm election in the United States, and they were not wrong at all. Right. But you get the what gets coverage is the pulls the wrong, even as they're more right than they've ever been. So I got this great story. So I was working. I forget which election was one of the provincial elections in the last few years, and I was it was a day of the election. And I got a call. I'm a journalist, and I won't name names again. And they said, well, we're we're writing we're prepared to story or if the polls are wrong tonight and. And so they wanted comment. They wanted to be prepared in case, you know, there was another surprise because this come after you remember in Canada, you know, twenty twelve or twenty thirteen there was an Berta election and be election to the post completely got wrong. Like they were. Absolutely. And I we did pulling Albert completely wrong. And so there was a lot of reason to be skeptical about how accurate polls could be. But I had a journalist writing preparing a story to say, the polls are wrong. And I so I ended the interview by saying are you preparing a story about what if the polls were right? And they said, no, we're not doing that. Right. So your point about, you know, we're also at the same time that I think the media, and I I don't mind that the media's addicted to the pulling because I think it helps that the narrative it helps understand wearing elections going and how to cover it, right? Like, I always say if you think that the twenty eleven election that was the election to even Harper won a majority. But Jack Layton surprised everybody by becoming official opposition. If the polls midway that campaign didn't show us that the end EP. Regaining strength in Quebec. And we're at leapfrog the liberal really worthy. Alternate Stephen Harper. We had no poll not election to tell us that the coverage of that election. I think would have been very different because people would and journalists and the public would have still assumed that the liberals and Mike like not yet at the time or the alternative Stephen Harper not Jack late, and and so the pulled. Well, there's lots of people out there who says we should ban poll during elections and their irresponsible with they they change people's opinions the end of the day. It's more information that allows the voter to make a choice, and we live in a in a political system where we don't always vote. Unfortunately, for our our number one choice because way our electoral system works. The candidate gets the most votes wins not the end, and if you voted for the green party, and they never win some will say that the a loss vote, but there are voters out there who would much rather have say a conservative MP than new democrat N P. And so if they can vote. Digitally, and if the polls can help them make that choice more effectively than I think that is a value of polling and so back to the original question, which was this narrative around the pool of missing and the polls failing and the journalists covering only the failures and not not the time. Most of the time. The polls are good. The polls are accurate and even in the moments where we actually think they're wrong like in the case of the twenty sixteen presidential election at the polls were right. Hillary Clinton won three percentage points more of the vote than Donald Trump and really the poll for saying the problem was how those votes were distributed. And how it it converted what he got forty six percent of the vote into majority of electoral college. That's what was the pricing about the outcome. Not how people actually ended up voting I still believe that despite all the technological change that we've gone through that people have migrated to cell phone that they no longer answer the phone if they don't know who's calling that we use increasingly online methodology. To do research, despite all of the changes that we've seen pulling is still incredibly accurate in might you. Right. I I got on an airplane every time I get on that airplane. I think to myself it a marvel of human Luethi that we've figured out how to get this massive object of carbon fiber and steel and all these things could take off and land ninety nine point nine percent of the time. I'm still amazed. By that engineering. I'm also based by the fact that I could interview thousand people randomly country like the United States over three hundred million and get a read of what's going to happen within one or two percentage points of what was the craziest election ever. Right. And so I think we all stand up to take a step back and still be an off of the science of random sampling and survey because we can talk without and people in Canada and get a good sense of what the thirty five million of us are thinking about any particular issue. We just have to look at more than one of them xactly. Thanks, david. My pleasure. Thanks so much. David Collado CEO of Abacus data. That was the big story. Brought to you by Scotia. 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Will Quebec change its mind? And change the election?

The Big Story

18:07 min | 1 year ago

Will Quebec change its mind? And change the election?

"And if there's one thing you can count on about politics in Quebec that every election will be unique even in re in memory it was a surge in Quebec that gave the end ep it's best federal showing in history and then it was the province's quick turn on the party just a few years later -servative games and why won't anyone even Canada's most progressive leaders vowed to fight the provinces discriminatory Bill twenty-one voters to follow the trends of the rest of the country and when they do make up their mind they tend to do it for their own reasons they tend to do it quickly so with less than two weeks uh-huh and what did happen to the end ep in this province less than a decade after they turned most of Quebec or yes things change quickly six to go before Election Day will change its mind or will the province's voters stick with the Liberals Kenny Resurgent Bloc Quebecois stand in the way of politics in Quebec for the Canadian Press but we caught him chasing the conservative campaign around the country where he was on the streets of Toronto I just say Good Morning I start every one of these by asking the same thing which is house democracy going in Quebec these days walker she is alive and well in the back neural elections in the makeup of the MP's that You guys have sent to Ottawa that's way quebecers are known to be very sickled with their vote particularly at the at the federal sir politics and it's almost a national sport here while I was GonNa say to an outsider it seems like politics can change so quickly and Quebec I'm just thinking about the past too fast and I'm Jordan Heath Rawlings and this is the big story Giuseppe Valley and take covers elves the national government the parliament is not the legislature the National Assembly so we need to see themselves nation apart and because a lot of Canada's seems to have fallen out of love with Justin Trudeau but when we talked to our our pollsters spoke to upholster the other day he said the fall in love they look the fallen leader's fall in love with leaders and that's why you saw Jack Layton was the level and I've actually ridden about this series but the way I think in the way I see it is because the federal government is not that important think of the federal government or Federal Waltz competitors the provincial government as president or life and it's it's makers love balletic love talking about politics debating politics the political shows are very popular and I would also say that journalists talk about changing policies are being influenced by what he what he or she reads in the paper or here's on television on the rating himself quebecers very in tune of so really the work of the federal government has you know what can you do they're they're not as loyal and they're the leaders a lot more impede do so well into that sort orange wave when his MP's won the majority of Quebec see for following election you saw the liberals get forty seats They got the does not seem to be the case in Quebec. Well let's be careful when you say that because the election hasn't happened yet at the beginning of two thousand fifteen it was the and Mr Bush it was asked this earlier in the week at the the bait the french-language debate he was asked how many pieces of legislation has the block ever passed Jordy of convicts seats as well and so like the voting blocks in order to have the most power in the most influence they voted blocks and those blocks can swing wildly from go to one specific party in swings wildly from election to to accept at least according to the polls in this one which is really interesting news and I know that that might seem a little shocking Canadians. US Canadians outside outside Quebec when they think of governments they think is fairly of what did they think of a large contingent of block members to Ottawa because he says all they'll do night and days it's fight for next interest if they vote for liberals undershirts and feel the so-called intellectual class they hold a very up trauma place in society even sometimes you're the politicians the premiers Alburto for instance and he says if you vote for block you know the people you're sending the parliament they will only fight for you and of course the other side is Following Andrew shares playing around Canada how has he done connecting with quebecers because that was one of the big questions someone who is working very hard to convince quebecers that the block it's still relevant that is a party that they should vote for this should send up so we haven't seen him out on the campaign trail connected with tobacco I haven't seen that immediately but I can also tell you with sheer is at least a hundred the question about abortion wasn't able to answer he wasn't able to really in a position himself as as a in in a humanizing way it's between the Liberals Conservatives in the block and a lot of you writings around Montreal if the Liberals and the bloc that are fighting for won election to another whether it's the block the progressive conservatives the Liberals or the MVP in every election the majority of seats seem to new education and healthcare night I understand it but a provincial issue across the country but in Quebec the Quebec government you know they call them. CBS federalists voice but the difference awesome of law is we will we will fight for the same policies but you'll actually have a government that can -servative GP these parties has to be pushed from different directions they might not be able to take an exciting time because they have to appease people in British Columbia Convince Quebecers to vote conservative to hugh torpedoed his campaign because he had such a core for showing and they speak about for the same voters the block in the Conservatives that More nationalist vote the same people who voted for the so called nationalists colorful someone from the art scene is very good on television he's very good speaking he's not just a French speaker these very eloquent area than speakers and acas obviously a one of the biggest swing provinces in Canada and he needs to make inroads there have you seen that this week this week he was in Montreal for a couple of days but it was really debate auto hammer all connects interests older they want us to have this Leonova the so-called seat at the table liquor Liberals or conservatives maybe and what are the only ones who can give it to you so he's trying to hammer that message home and his French is not as excellent as you work a little harder at to just come across someone who's more personable because that's what they like will you mentioned the few government in Quebec and window seats the MVP votes seems to have ruby collapsed into that on it's been going down every say shall the election of bubbles and fees look you make love and their leader you love has certainly impressed into ball he's impressed people with elite you know he giving people will really have to see which so supple weeks to campaign well we're talking do right now and you're in downtown Toronto walking around because you spent the past week connectors over the issue now you know that's what journalists say that's what the media says really remains to be seen whether or not he was hurt we'll see over the next couple of days with the polls to see go ahead and then the Conservatives and the liberals eventually took over so we'll see right now you have a lot of way races across the with him it's it's very simple it's politics as those votes and you can see how off your bills mentioned before he's saying we will support the policies of the provincial government we will be a voice for quebecers in Ottawa and when one is in Tibet by the way the political parties of behaviors that you know those parties who who are you know highly coveting connects seventy eight eligible seats can against the cultural autonomy you know at this point it's almost a little less about the concept of secularism of state secularism and almost more about this is packers asked that but I think one of the things people in English Canada were startled about the past week or so is that neither the liberals nor the end ep or the Green Party also offers a very decent human being but he doesn't always that that doesn't come across on television and on the radio and I think that that's probably something is GonNa happen the taxes and for the province to to send back to Ottawa they WANNA have one tax return now the block wants that the Conservatives want that they're similar to the Conservatives and the block in that they're thereafter the nationalist vote and I wanted to ask about obviously the hottest issue for the rest of Canada out of Quebec has aided that they would protest it what are the politics at play behind that because it's fascinating to me it's clearly it's clearly something that goes against their philosophy but yet they won't mess the least competitive shoot will compared to the WLAC Mr Gacek so there's a little bit of a language barrier there Mister Scheer seems a little more and bill twenty one and it's understandable that the parties campaigning for that vote I mentioned wouldn't want to protest flaws who actually believe Bekker's want one tax return right now 'cause makers file provincial federal tax separately the Quebec government has asked for Quebec collected a seventy eight seats so I can only on -Tario in order to get those seats you have been popular with the people who live in those writings and it shows how the parties are reacting in Jacqueline do you do have a point to say Quebec there's going to be particularly love at them but I would also say that I don't WanNa use it in critical words because you actually get to know him as that's done on the Caffeine Chia he's actually quite warm a genuine and and will leave us alone on areas of our competency you know that being said you know the other political parties are certainly maybe putting ah so it's almost more about convection autonomy conviction jurisdiction and telling the federal government you know we are in a federation he's our ten separate provinces in Canada and he evaded the question because the answer is zero right so come back 'cause they're gonNA ask do they want a so-called protest vote that they want to Vo- blocked and say people this is a law that was passed in Quebec's legislature by Quebecers by a new government that was I received in the jury and a very sizable majority every religious symbols at work and I guess if it's difficult because these political parties want to win votes they WANNA gain power all political parties in my opinion we'll know that this law is discriminatory this law suspense charter rights for Muslim women seek men Jewish men your morals to decide on this issue particularly the ones who claim to fight for minority rights because this law there's no two ways about it and you WanNa reason losing seats in Ontario and in in in the west of the country maybe even Canada it's looking to make up those seats in Quebec and what's happening to the vote there what writings or what areas of the province should Canadians from the rest of the country be looking for returns from fault the media into certain saw his performance at the debate as less than stellar it ranges from he didn't do up the seats that they're gonNA lose and other places in Canada liberals are standing a lot of Quebec Justin Trudeau the leader not just during this election campaign by the leader flipped so again there's that there's that battle between the block of between the Liberals and trying to get that collapsed votes and you're right it seems the liberals are going to be more and more and more in combat because the oath Quebec Ontario but I mean that's nothing new Canadian the lands are often about Quebec girls been treating Quebec knowing that if they want to maintain their majority the polls say they have to really run up the score and Quebec and Ontario in order to make Alex before and it would have been rejected because because Canadians have the right to freedom of expression the shoot 'em over and this law suspends those rights for people who the bill twenty one in June and it also shows Canadians how much support this law has indoor province in and the government is also wrapping this law. Okay so let's get back which governing could make at the moment so they're fighting for the same voters and Quebec and Andrew Scheer has his message to this is what I mean very very very residency them a lot on television you see them actual thing he makes he makes a portable saying that you know my government has the you know if the Liberals are able to take for the block is able to take those seats that's GonNa be a really good side of who's going to be doing well or who's going to do well really do have to run up the score but the block is also looking for seats as well so I guess I would imagine in the next two weeks over the course of the campaign yeah I think that it was a solid showing on his part and really result of rumors going on in the campaign trail about you know about certain scandals here they're like every days ago Mr Trudel Sutin you know clearly win wasn't a fantastic night's for him but he did it to do and empty there's all kinds of rumors but we all know that campaigns concerning influence the voters there's another two weeks left so I would thanks for this thank you very much just pay valiant of the Canadian Press that was the big story we only have three to come back to Quebec campaign chose face and have a strong debates and if you look at the last of the first French language TV debate we're also in all of your podcast players and if we're not in yours tell us and we will put ourselves there thanks for listening I'm Jordan Heath Rowlings we'll talk tomorrow remorse go an hour lay of the land series you can find them all at the big story podcast dot ca you can also find us on twitter we're always there at the big story F. Doc that thrusts the liberals back into majority power so think of Quebec has perhaps Canada's swing vote you cannot predict their patterns you can't rely on Quebec and if you want those seats it's very difficult to come out strongly give those one woman who see that reflected in the rhetoric of all the problems how have the limit among those seats so Justin Trudeau was going to happen to avoid getting more scandals over the next couple of weeks is going to I and it's and it's very clear again and quebecers government knows that they had to use the constitution that notwithstanding clause to force this law through because it would have been fourteen seats that the peak earthy hold look very juicy to to the Liberal Party of a few blocks as well that's a little thing that they can on election day around the Quebec scenario the conservatives very strong that's the base of as a couple of liberal seats there's two seats you want the same thing they want to jet power and they want to maintain power and if you want to get power Canada though seventy eight seats with very tempted -servative fall back in the second place right now just a few points it depends on the poll averaging of Saint Police had to block and they're really fighting so the area around Montreal is going to stay in the role or I guess I shouldn't make predictions like that the liberals are very strong much

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Going into the Homestretch

What You Need to Know - a #CDNPolicast from Bluesky Strategy

17:23 min | 1 year ago

Going into the Homestretch

"Welcome to this week's episode of Blue Skies Tragedy Group's Canadian podcast. What you need to know about this week in in Canadian politics? I'm Cam from a consultant here. Blue Sky and joining me today or Neil Brodie fights president lines himself with the Blue Team and Jeff Aft- Turner Senior Consultant Who's closely following the liberal campaign. All right well here. We are the end of the end of this big week. And as of today voting has begun with advanced polls now open and threw out the long weekend. There are a lot of undecided voters out. There we'll start off with this wondering here. We'll Canadians Canadians. Come out this weekend to vote or will people wait the twenty-first to make up their mind. What do you think Well I know the I think the trend over the last couple of years is people going to advance dance polls to avoid the crowds on on election day I think the The question this time around will people want to go out and vote There have been no the change in the numbers in the polls since the beginning of the campaign which kind of reflects the No big winning issue. No big winning in plank For any of the parties It's kind of the Seinfeld election. It's really about nothing even though there have been some some large policy announcements by all the parties. Hardee's I I don't I don't know it's Thanksgiving weekend. If the weather's nice and people are with families they might stay home and the twenty-first but I think it's only I think that's it's only a a result of the weather. I think the bigger question is will people want to own vote this this time. What you Jeff? I don't think the proverbial undecided voter person who sort of ascribing identifies as unidentified. We'll go out this weekend. Because those types of voters tend to play chicken with the polls they go right to the very last minute before making up their mind I've been to lots of doors on the day before Election Day. Where people are still telling you? They're undecided so I don't think that's who's going to go out to advance polls weekend but that's not who is supposed to go to advance. Polls as far as campaign when is concerned Campaigns are working this weekend as many election day. First and foremost it's a way of warming up your machine for the big show on next Monday but secondly it's a way. AM getting the people you know or suspect highly are going to vote for you to the poll to effectively deposit that vote into the bank. So you can focus on the rest of the people on your list for the remainder of of the week. So that's that's what's happening this weekend. I think people are going after As far as campaigns are going after. ID voters to try to get them to go early. There are some voters who just naturally know that they're are gonNA be busy or they're traveling or town or it's not convenient or maybe. This weekend is more convenient than a Monday afternoon. So you'll definitely get those types of voters who may not be coming because as they are particularly strongly politically aligned or other things just convenient for them So I think The truly undecided voter which is who were talking about in this question I think they're sitting down over dinner or family engagement this weekend. And they were having that proverbial Thanksgiving conversation may not make up their mind but it will substantially advance. That and I think by next Monday they'll be ready to go. I think there are two factors really play into this. One is over the last couple of federal election cycles. We've seen more and more people get attuned to the idea of strategic voting and and that idea of trying to stop the lesser to whatever that may look like and therefore I've gotten more used to the idea of going at the last minute letting things play out see what happens at the polls for alternate jumping in because we face stories in two thousand eleven of people are saying oh I voted liberal to stop the MVP and Jack Layton surgeon. I feel terrible. How can I help you? And and I saw the opposite opposite in in in two thousand fifteen and I think you're seeing people are wising up a little bit and thinking okay. I'm GonNa wait a little bit longer to do this. The other thing though. I think it's interesting plaintiffs additive so well advanced polls open. Friday universities had polls open all week. And what's happened with that youth with that university vote at the did they actually get out to the act and AH obviously those votes are already now in the bank. That's the big thing I agree with that. You're saying Jeff at this point in the campaign you WANNA Walk People in as best you can and this an opportunity to do it so the people if they if they are feeling your way and you can get him out to vote now because it wasn't they change your mind will will cast. It doesn't matter anymore but I think it's going to be interesting when it comes to the polls calls we start to see some movement in the last couple of days especially in the personal approval numbers for Mr saying. I think the question is that does that continue play. And I think that's one of the things that keep people who are undecided undecided on the sidelines. This weekend is why does he does play out wanting to see you know it is. There is another option for me. If they wait they wait ten days. I'll have a better idea of where things in stand now. The other big thing this week we had we had. Both the official commissioned debates Monday night on on on their last Thursday night in French and quite the spectacles new formats live audiences. All this lovely stuff built up around so I wanted to get both your overall impression on this. Who who want who lost? Who looked good? Who wish they'd stayed home? Jeff Yeah I think. The format lost I think that was the unanimous. As far as the English language debate was concerned I think that was unanimous amongst no matter what your partisan stripe And that was just a bit of a shame because I think people were looking forward to this as a bit more of a neutral space jason bit more of a different format than before in past campaigns and I think a lot of people were disappointed with the election Debate on in English. The French nice to be made a lot of changes. I don't know whether that was always their plan. or whether the producers went into a bunker for a couple of days to really take the the sort maelstrom around the English debate and turn it into something better in their own production So either either Kudos if they did it. Better from the GECKO or Kudos if they turned it around in a couple of days for what was arguably a much better format I think we actually heard the leaders able to communicate they all. I think the leaders and the party certainly got the message that viewers and Canadian for frustrated by this kind of scrabble talking over each other in in those sorts of things in the first debate because they were all very polite. They're all very very accommodating if you will of other people's Time on the microphone and so I thought the French debate did a better service. So it's the it's the Canadians across the country. Hopefully should've watched. Unfortunately that won't be the case in in in English Canada I think in terms of just a answer question who who sort of broke through. Didn't I think it's it's it's fairly. Well accepted Jagmeet. Did have a pretty shiny day a on the English debate. I think in part that was because First of all he's obviously a fairly positive guy. That's his brand that's his. That's his His way of doing politics and I think that was contrast especially this year coming out with a giant bludgeoned right off the bat. I think set sing up perfectly to be that Middle Guy. Hi who he was to say. Okay well you guys are arguing. You look at me while I say something. That's universally accepted by whoever hears it. It's easy to be the Nice Guy Candidate when you have nothing to lose. Yeah and no disrespect intended but Justin Trudeau was the same way in twenty fifteen. He had nothing to lose. They were the third party. He'd come in and say anything he wanted me. Obviously there's a different dynamic in play when you're a liberal the Liberal Party leader But it's nice when you're in that third third position where you can come in you. You really can't do anything wrong and I was just thinking I mean in terms of Jagmeet in this sort of this moment that seems to be lifting him a little bit in this week and I just find it interesting and maybe this is a partisan comment but I find interesting. That that he's he's he's sailing to become a very important person or A. You know a winner of this campaign by losing half of the seats. It really is this awkward dynamic of Catching Fire while the ship is burnt while the ship is sinking. It just is this dichotomy. That is hard to figure out. And it's accurate. I think he is. He is catching on. He is reaching people he he is you know sort of having that actively to frustrated voters but the stark reality of the of the of the chess pieces on the map is he's GonNa lose half of all of those things where they are today. We've got another week. We'll get into that. Neil your views on it. I will Second Jeff's opinion that One of the big losers. There's was the debate itself Having both debates in Ottawa. With at least the English language debate with five moderators Did a disservice to the National campaigns that people are running that there's only one debate French and English autosomal. There should have been one in Halifax I'm partial because I've got a very good friend in Halifax there should have been wind. You Know Edmund. Ten or or or Vancouver Just to show that this is a big country and there are different Political imperatives across the country. That that that that the regions care about My take away from the two debates is the liberals and the Conservatives fought to a tie Which I think was the best that both could hope for This is the winners. Were the smaller parties. Who who had a hard time Getting their message through up until the debate. So yes Mr Sing Mr Blanchette for awhile. He's he's now burst onto the national scene as the next Great Bloc Quebecois leader a and and Ms May of course you never know as the fifth or Sixth Party in the House of Commons. She never gets much airtime so Getting whatever where. She got twenty minutes in the debate. To talk about. Her issues is is always a good thing My my understanding. I didn't watch the french-language take did of my wife's Twenty Ninth Birthday Just catching up she can. She's catching up to me. I understand I watched the English debates Mr Single All. I understand Mr Sing Kinda ran out of talking points in the French debate. I don't I don't know whether that will hurt him in Quebec But if this is going to be a minority government which it looks like it is to your point Jeff. He may be the most important person in parliament. Y losing a quarter a third a half of a seats. Yeah I have to say. I found interesting using the frontliners debate last night. Some of the most heated exchange was actually between Andrew. Scheer and bloodshed. Like they. Actually were fairly viscerally going after each other More than just on policy points. It was a little bit personal which I find interesting because the you know. The minority speculation is that the only possible partners the Conservatives have their minorities minorities the Bloc Quebecois or piecemeal with the Liberals. But that's unlikely and I don't think that's going to be interesting to come out of this. This this last week of a campaign comes in these playoffs. Playoff the debates is that you're starting to see where the pressure points are coming whereas Mr Singh spent a lot of his time last night in the French debate going after Mr Trudeau even though when he wasn't matched up with them He went after him. You saw you saw sheer going. After blanchette you saw Bernier going after sheer like e you. You're seeing where everyone's pressure points are and where this is really going to play on the next week. I think the thing that I found very interesting about about both debates again aside from the format which. I'm hoping they take some lessons from this and learn from to me. I think the big thing comes I take away from. This is going to be the importance of campaigns and the importance of debates. We've seen this doesn't happen all the time but we've seen it again again. We even the situation where things have been deadlocked had moved and this was the thing that shook it started shaking Lusa bet and the value of having more of these debates. I agree with Neil. I think one of the sad things about the English debate was that it happened at seven PM Eastern so four. PM on the on the on the west coast it happened at eight pm on the East Coast. We're huge country with six timezones. You're not gonNA in a find a perfect way to do this. Between that's all the more reason maybe maybe why you do an east won a West one bring your topics at folks in the region bringing journalists from those areas to actually actually drill down on it. I think there's actually good value and same thing in French too. I appreciate that. Obviously the MO the largest frequent ovulation candidates in Quebec and. I'm glad that the consortium brought in from outside of Quebec this time but I think there's something to be said for doing for having that maybe Quebec debate outside anyway. Let's toby in violent agreement. That debates can be better next time. I think let's just not let's just not hopefully see the debate commission kind of wither and fall apart as a result of this this is their first tryout and I think we can we can hopefully see them become more ambitious as a result of that failure and hopefully be more ambitious. We've talked about by doing things. I I agree entirely. It's a big country Patrick so onto the last points starting to run out of time so we're into the final week of the campaign rendered the homestretch. Everyone's going to have Turkey this weekend. And then after that we're into the last seven days where do you see the different parties focusing all star. Neil well parties are going to go to their target ridings For everybody that means Southern Ontario Quebec and the West Coast Those are the areas that are in play So the campaigns will focus on that What I'm looking for if the polls stay fairly early tight I look forward to the last week. Commercial that liberals will drop I remember fondly the two thousand and four campaign with the Darth Vader esque liberal commercial. It's Mr Harper was going to put the army in the streets That I know I was. That was the line fine By look forward to what there will be a push for votes over the last week both are on the ground with the campaigns over the airwaves as well and I'd be interested to see where where the the parties go with their over the air attacks. Jeff Yeah I think for every party in every campaign that last week is choices in contrast so you know that sort of rounding up the back end you need to make a choice. It's now Speaking undecided voters or people who are waffling and and and the primary way of doing that There's already been for or what about four weeks or four months of trying to promise things to people to get them on your side now as well that hasn't worked for you. Let me let me show you the alternative or let me show you. Who so you think you might be voting for and why you might WanNa think about that again so choices in contrast has always folks do and for the Liberals I was just at the Justin Trudeau Rally in Ottawa? Why this morning? He was obviously thanking mostly volunteers and partisans who were there and say I'll see you on the flip side. I'm about to go across this beautiful country for the next ten days and and so we'll see what is it certainly will be key writings and major media markets and great photo ops. And all that stuff. But I don't WanNa let neal's point get lost. I think I think the last week is going to see. A ton of air were advertising from all accounts the conservative at by has been heavily back loaded. There's a lot of a lot of speculation that it will go negative particular McCain the conservative side but doesn't preclude the liberals from from doing that as well. They seem to have been doing more positive ads. But we're GONNA see a lot of clutter and noise on that we're GONNA see a lot of leader saying you know really think twice about voting for this person because you're going to get that person or really think twice about wearing for that person because they're not gonna be good for your interests well just to wrap this up. I think for the orange gene in this can be very interesting to see what happens to the polls the next week because we are certain. See this surge coming from your side if it continues. I think it's going to be Kavak on this. And it makes me think back to two thousand fifteen gene when the MVP campaign did not really have a plan B.. When things start to move you could see it from the outside and the last ten days of the campaign is all about Stop Harper? Stop Stop Harper literally the MVP had orange stop signs and all their Rallies Stop Harper. Stop number and what's the message worked. Because they went to stop they went to vote for the liberals those who were in the position actually stop them. That's part of what could blow up in the in the liberals face this time on the other side if play the strategic vote. Carter said we have to. We can't we can't habit. Doug Ford Jason Kenney Name Conservative kind of government in Ottawa. They may sing. Is your option and decide to make that flip I think buffet for the MVP one of the big things in in this last week. It's going to be very strategic. Because obviously they're the party with the least resources but they've had some of their best fundraising days year so far in the last week and they've actually raised more money in this campaign gene already than they did all twenty eleven in the big leagues and breakthrough. So the question will be. Do you take that extra bit of resources and put more money into the air war or do you try to get to a few more places. I think it's going to be very interesting to see. Just how strategic they use the reward resources. They've got or how much they're hoping to be able to use their social media game and earned media to push through the door so anyway thanks everyone for coming on. I wish you a happy Thanksgiving and we will do this again next week. The last one before we all vote on the twenty-first I saw this weekend. I I. We're we're we're beavers here. That's what we do day so eh. Thank you all for listening tuning into the blue skies. Tragedy groups team political observers for this week's can Canadian. podcast what you need to know about politics this week. Kadam Blue Sky Strategy Group is one of Canada's leading public affairs firms for government relations lobbying and strategic communications advice across Canada. visit us at blue sky. Strategy Group DOTCOM into blue sky strategy. Group is a proud member of the Global Communications Alliance.

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Who wants to lead the Conservative Party of Canada?

Front Burner

24:05 min | 10 months ago

Who wants to lead the Conservative Party of Canada?

"This is a CBC podcast. Hello Jamie puzzle in the race to become the next leader of the Conservative Party of Canada officially officially began this week. Ever since Andrew Scheer quit as leader last month there's been a ton of speculation about who might replace him. I will obviously take the time necessary and speak with a lot of people first and foremost with my family. We need someone who's capable of piercing. The fog of war with laser like focus focused. I think Canada needs more doers politics and less lifers ready to lead. I can bring the Party together. Can bring a winning strategy. And that's what we need. Today we break down the conservative leadership race. So far with McLean senior writer Paul Wells and we'll talk about how this isn't just about the leader the party once but also what kind of party it wants to be. This is from Brenner Paul Wealth Hi. How are you good thank you how are you doing you know? Does he yes fat. I'm hoping that we can talk today about the conservative leadership race. That started this week. I I I know did this week though. It felt like it unofficially really began the night of the election and ramped up when Andrew Scheer quit as leader back in December and of course he said he because he wanted to spend more time with family in order to chart the course ahead this party this movement needs someone who can give one hundred percent but we also know. He was facing a ton of criticism about his performance performance. In the last election and questions about party money used to send his kids to private school and so what kind of shadow do you think. Andrew Scheer and his performance in the last election cast on this race. I think the Conservative Party finds itself in kind of an awkward place so full of hope after Justin Trudeau turned out to be defeatable opponent and so unsure about how to go about beating him. I heard from other conservatives. As soon as sheer became name the leader in two thousand seventeen that he was essentially a sacrificial lamb that Justin Trudeau was had way too much momentum. That's actually the way people were talking. I I mean two years before the election. He just lost right. People Thought Trudeau is like a two-term majority PM. Yeah and it's a little unfair unfair. In retrospect to say well why the Hell didn't Andrew Scheer win but but a couple of things happen. First of all Trudeau turned out to be an imperfect perfect champion of his own. re-election the deeply flawed leader and the black face incidents during the campaign was only the latest of several examples of that convicted Khalistan terrorists had been invited to the Canadian. High Commissioners Dinner for Justin Trudeau. Daddy this evening. Prime Minister asked me to help out to find a solution here for us. NC exactly how many times have you darkened. You're skiing with make. I share the moments that I recollect elected and so it looked like the conservatives Should be able to beat him. And then There were elements shears campaign that were identifiably poorly executed kid The attack on carbon taxes. I mean conservatives ended up essentially defensive on carbon taxes they were not expecting that And then all the values stuff and simply weird answers you would get whenever you would ask sure about his position on on showing up for pride. Parades there's just lots of different ways support to community and I show my support by I for example participating the historic apology for public servants who are persecuted because of their sexual orientation and so the Conservatives spent two years telling themselves we can't win and it won't be sure's fault if he doesn't win and now they're saying respect boy. We sure should have one and we had better win next time which is very Germane to this leadership race because now they're looking for the person who can win right and who could be the next prime minister. I I want to ask you. There's soon news that came out today. This post mortem that former Foreign Minister John Baird has been working on a apparently. It's done speaking to sources who have spoken with Mr Barrot about this report. We're talking about problems with the party's platform per problems with the party's communication problem with with the party's candidates screening notably John Barrett also also identified the fact that there were too few experienced staffers working on android campaign and too much control centralized in the hands of campaign manager. Hamish Marshall but we're hearing reports that the document is essentially being kept secret kept internal as an internal strategy document. What does that tell you? Well such things normally we are. So for instance. After the two thousand four federal election and very similarly with a reduced liberal mandate but with the Liberals reelected it under Paul Martin we as liberals have lost votes. We have lost good members of parliament Canadians expected and expect more from us both the liberal campaign and the conservative campaign went back to the drawing boards and did these sort of post mortem exercises not only results never released. The fact of that process was never released. The most part most parties don't parade around Discussing their strategy. I'm almost were surprised that the existence of this process was was was announced than than that. It's be then the the results are being held back. Oh interesting yeah. I think the reason that was announced was because that was Andrew Sherwood still trying to defend his job. Nobody is more disappointed in the results than me. Me and nobody is more eager to get it right the next time I talk to you a bit about the logistics here so I I know there's not very much time Conservatives will vote for their next leader at the end of June but they have to declare by February twenty seventh and and they need to raise enough money so three hundred thousand dollars to be able to run and then submit submit thousands of signatures from seven provinces to show they have the support. And so is this. This is a hard thing to pull off in like. What does it mean for? WHO's able to step up here? It's essentially insurmountable if you don't have a kind of institutional presence in the party already or if you're not John Kerry because does he does. He has very close to no presence in the party. But he's Cherie he's a special case the Conservatives believed they had way too many candidates in two thousand seventeen and they wanna feel that. It looks like four fourteen candidates. I I mean. Let's start with Sean. Cherie who who you just mentioned. This is the former Quebec premier federal government now has a counterpart WHO's leadership will contribute to improve the Canadian Federation. He hasn't confirmed his candidacy publicly but he's expected to announce later this month. He is of course a veteran of politics Former the leader of the Federal Progressive Conservative Party also And so is that an advantage for him here. Well it's huge He looks like the kind of person person who could win elections and formed governments. Because he's done that in the back which is not the federal level but it's it's one of the biggest of junior leagues first time. Almost a decade a federalist government will be in charge. There's going to be a lot of work for For the whole team you only sixty two. I'm getting to uh-huh Adrian get to say things like only six but he's got a wealth of experience including he's lost election so he knows what that feels like. He knows the mistakes you make these elections for you. potty was in ruins almost wiped out by John crayons liberals and that too. He spun as an opportunity. An opportunity for us to rebuild the great national political party from the ground up. And he's one and he's had to learn hard the lessons of government. He was not familiar with Quebec provincial. Politics when he Left the Federal Progressive Leadership to go to Quebec in one thousand nine hundred eight You know that being said he's got two big problems. First of all culturally. The modern modern Conservative Party is deeply influenced by Alberta reform politics of a kind that the progressive conservatives disdained when Jerry was was in the Federal Party regional factions are huge. Both in the in the in the federation right now and in the Conservative Party There's an awful lot of conservatives who will not consider a Quebecer for the leader of the Party and there's an awful lot of conservatives who will say it's retrograde thinking like that that has doomed us for now nearly a decade in an opposition and and could do forever if we let it secondly governing Quebec wasn't all bed of roses. There was an awful lot of political corruption. which has been established in the courts and which was the result of public commissions and special police investigations and trials and convictions? Testimony testimony suggests that all the major provincial parties received illegal contributions from engineering firms but the commission appears to be building a case that ministers in the former shutout government. We're especially vulnerable. Because of the pressure they were under to raise money for the Liberal Party. As recently as two thousand Sixteen Quebec's anti corruption squad you pack was was looking into whether Josh broke election financing rules and that will all be counted as part of Ashtrays legacy right the idea that he comes with political baggage. Here yeah so a lot of conservatives will say he's not there kind of conservative and a lot of conservatives they I don't care what kind of conservative he is. We don't want to spend an entire writ it period answering questions about the last government that he led. Okay all right. Let's move on to Peter Mackay former leader of the Progressive Conservative Party before the merger with the Canadian Alliance resulting in the President Conservative Party. This agreement ends vote splitting it. Means the two plus two can equal more than four. It means winning. McKay was a prominent prominent cabinet minister under Harper. And how different of a choice would he be. Two Cherie both were leaders of the Progressive Conservatives. That went oh here's where the race starts does seem like an episode of of the HBO Series Succession Because The Conservative leader who recruited Peter Mackay into federal politics in Nineteen 1897 was Josh Array. And today was Mackay's first leader in McKay was Sarah. Protege remaining shred of credibility the government and parliament might have in this country is on the chopping block. Sharon appointed him Tori House leader and like his father before him he became a justice critic. And there's every chance chance to they'll both go in and it's been a little bit speeding on the part of supporters of both candidates to the effect only one of them can run as the as the progressive conservative standard bearer. That's not necessarily early. Guaranteed and then you'd you would have open competition between them for support and McKay would be likely to rally people who think that Sharia has just simply not a really a cultural conservative anymore and Cherie would tend to or at least try to get the support of people who are just looking for a winner and Still looks like more of that than Peter. Mackay why why does she look like a winner. Because he's run a government you know. He's he's been Davos he's Been in in meetings with the. US state governors but but McKay's got better continuity in in the party as like. There's there's not a lot of federal conservatives who say McKay's not one of them because he served in Harper's government and hyper had nice things to say about him when he left and remarkably warm personal even funny tribute attribute. I met the young Peter Mackay sexiest male and pay. And then it didn't bother me anyway away with the so the dynamic between chalet and McKay of both ran would be tents and fascinating to watch because Cherie would would at some level Sia McCain McCain's candidacy is a bit of a betrayal amenity running against his mentor. Yeah like Luke running against Yoda if few erred. Your trading do a become Canadian. How do you take down a criminal network hidden in the shadows? I tell him that yeah. I know that they're the ones who are running the largest child abuse website on the dark nets journalists working to expose the darkest corners of the Internet. That's your playroom for that's your baby's clothes. That's my house. The police who hunt down online predators right environment. They using no we didn't. We didn't Mike it they made it. Hunting moorhead subscribe wherever you get your podcasts. Another Harper cabinet minister is also expected to enter the race. Peer pulver. What I do know is we need someone to run and who can stand up and fight back and win? What kind of conservative politician is he? So liberals tend to discount Paul because they hate him. He's a dog absolutely he's A. He's a provocateur in the House of Commons he likes to get under liberal skin. Isn't it funny to listen to a trust fund baby lecturing Canadians about being too rich. He is is very disciplined and very controlled on message and likes to simplifying demagogy. Came pretty close to two ruining dillmore. No politically when the Minister of finance sold his six hundred and eighty thousand shares. In more ocean pout. Would he commit that if I go out and repeat my question the lobby. At this moment the finance minister will meet me there. Answer the question but I always remind partisans thousands of any political party that you're usually going to lose to somebody who you can hardly imagine that somebody that awful would be in politics text. It's almost Paul. Ever selling point that he is is so bad for liberals blood pressure. He is a conservative. Who would make conservatives serves feel good in their head in their their deepest sense of wanting to be as little leg liberals as possible that being being said the kind of sloganeering hectoring persona that Paul has developed in public. I asked the finance minister to bring in an action plan. Dan said no again we wanted more. Yes and we got more. No Mr Speaker is also an obstacle eighty for him among conservatives because because some conservatives including like gradations right including some very conservative Western conservatives that I've spoken to say look this is great great is great that peer is a bit of a a loud mouth and so on. But we're looking for somebody who could rally Canadians and somebody that could serve as prime minister and it's not clear that he's shown the seriousness and forebearance that good leader has the have Bolivars the kind of guy you go looking for if if you kind of like the idea of a Canadian trump and not every conservative does okay. Although I I can't help it. Noting the Toronto Star reporting. He's got some real heavy hitters behind him. Johnny Baron Steven Harper's from Campaign Minister John Baird Former foreign affairs minister. What does that tell you? Well I should just say is a blanket statement that I don't. I don't believe any of the candidates were discussing is a shoo-in and I don't believe any of them is doomed to lose. They've all got a serious chance and Paul ever gets to the heart of what was essentially the Harper argument. which is that moderates? Don't always win that you don't always win by shaving off The rough edges and minimizing your differences with your opponent that sometimes you win by entrenching your differences differences with your opponent and trying to pull them into territory in the debate that they're uncomfortable in. That's how Harper Paul Martin Mr Martin and his business career paid his taxes often outside of the country lower tax rates. Mr Martin operated his business under the flags of Foreign Countries I'm just pointing out that somebody in a glass. The house Shouldn't throw stones I it. It makes sense that a lot of people with serious history sort of prosecuting. That culture war on Steven Harper's behalf Lake Jenny Byrne are said to be sympathetic to Apollo candidacy and I should also say Paul over that in private. He's a Thoughtful very articulate widely. Read it's just I find it interesting. that he does not ever let that side of him out in public. He thinks that it doesn't pay for him politically. Okay and last big player. I WanNa talk to you about. Our potential. Big Player is run ambrose and She has not onset that she's not running. This is the former interim leader. We became the best opposition to liberal arrogance. This country has ever seen What kind of impact could she have on this race if she threw her hat into the ring? So I think Ron Ambrose is unlikely to run. This is not a stick when she says that I'm happy in my new life I'm I'm quite content to be out of politics. These are things that she means. But even more than Paula Ver- she manages to confound some of these divisions within the party that that we've been discussing so she's from she's from the West. He's from Ground Zero from Calgary and yet she seemed to be palatable To urban voters in eastern voters she has no problem marching in pride parades and yet The sort of rock ribbed social conservative. Constituency doesn't seem to hold it against her. She's a woman so it'd be real hard to argue that she's anti-feminist People who dared criticize her within the party what they will tend to say. Is You needed to pay closer to attention to her when she was a cabinet minister because she was not a rock star cabinet minister in environmental intergovernmental affairs. Here's or anything else. And she was interim leader at a time when everyone was exhausted from a historic election and nobody had much fight in them I. I've just believed that we have such a strong message to tell and I look forward to sharing not that optimistic message with Canadians. That's very different from being campaigning. Leader in a campaign campaign but You know everyone's got pros and cons and everyone's got someone to express that and it's not too surprising that people are willing to be critical of Ron Ambrose she would be. I would not want to be campaigning against her if she decides to run. I also wanted to ask you when this leadership like race really gets up and running you know you mentioned at the beginning of this conversation. The social issues that created problems for the Conservatives in the in the last campaign LGBTQ writes. It's the abortion question. The lack of climate policy is and so you know. How do you think these are going to play in the leadership race so to some extent Kinda leadership campaign is an imperfect vehicle for testing potential prime minister to become prime minister? You have to attract people who didn't vote for your party the last time and those people don't show up at Leadership debate people show up. Leadership debates have have have voted voted for your party all their lives and can't imagine voting for anyone else the dynamic in a debate in a campaign rally in the meetings in in small rooms with individual delegates The campaign is always about essentially flattering the preconceptions of the party. You know carbon taxes for me and Why do those social groups have to agitate so much recognition you know that kind of discourse is what gets rewarded and the leadership and it's that kind of discourse that crushed Andrew Scheer for three months ago? There's always the danger of a party sleepwalking. To the wrong choice. There's always the danger of party Papering over important differences that then get exploited by their opponents at the next election And I actually think that the conservatives ice will too are relatively aware aware of that and they're relatively intent on having a leadership process. That's a real debate about real questions. But the race has its own dynamic and the race rewards towards insincere diplomacy things like that and so You know we'll see what you're saying that it's possible that the conservative leadership braised could produce a leader. Who isn't necessarily the right candidate that to win an election? And I'm pleased to be on the record you're saying that even before Andrea Sherr was deposed as leader Being disappointed in the result you just got is no guarantee of getting a better result. Next time uh-huh the liberals found that out between two thousand and twenty eleven the Liberals lost eighty percent of their. MP's and the end EP. Since twenty eleven since since the the orange wave that The nearly one hundred seats that Jack Layton one in two thousand eleven the MVP of lost about three quarters of their MP. Since then it's not clear. In retrospect that getting rid of Tom Mulcair was the most brilliant thing the MVP ever did and similarly finding a Andrew Scheer to be a deeply flawed leader is no guarantee of finding a better one and I thought the Conservatives should have thought harder about that before they ditched share and they should keep it in mind now came Paul. Alf Thank you so much. Thank you and and so before we go today. Andrew Scheer on Tuesday tweeted about the downing of Ukrainian Airlines flight. Seven five two. He said the responsibility for the crash lie solely with Iran this is also the stance that House Republican leader. Kevin McCarthy took today who insisted that America was not at fault for what happened. This was in response to Prime Minister. Justin Trudeau saying that. He believed that if there was no escalation recently between Iran and the the United States than Canadians would be at home with their families. This is something that happens. When you have conflict and war innocence bear the brunt of head and it is a reminder? All of us need to work so hard on De Escalation in the meantime a couple more developments on the story to tell you about the rcmp amp has been assigned to help identify. The remains of the Canadians killed in the crash and the New York Times was the first report that not one but two missiles struck the Ukrainian plane. This is according to a newly released video. That's it for today. I'm Jamie Paul. Thanks for listening to front burner and talk to you tomorrow. Tomorrow for more C._B._C.. PODCASTS GO TO C._B._C. Dot C._A. Slash podcasts.

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COMEDY, CRIME, AND NYC - Pat Dixon | #ManTools Podcast #79

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Yeah Eric Got as you know mantles rule number one is. Work comes first and. So he's. Still working. Zimmer for him because we're GONNA have a lot of fun tonight We have a guest this evening. I should be skyping in with us a little bit later. He's a comedian from New York named while he's not from New York. But as relives his name's Pat Dixon, he also hosts a show called a crime report. And we'll be Chitty chat with him. AND WE HAVE A. Thing is going I think I'M GONNA post next week I did a prerecorded interview with fellow from a podcast called the. it's called non binary. thinking. Which? Was a lot of fun They were some interesting guys from Europe. and. We had a nice little conversation about all of stuff mass mandates kind of finished it off. And yeah. That was that was an interesting chat. Kind of their thing is that the world is not all black and white or red and blue if you're gonNA speak in politics terms. That there's some nuance in. We cannot disagree on things without. Being hostile. so that was fun Noah's Nice. And we did disagree on some things. So be sure to check that out when it comes up. Also. Wanted to mention. I, forgot to talk about this last week Eric was recently on the Taj Leblanc podcast So be sure to check out that episode. With with our own Airi'q Madrid of course Taj, we've had him on our show and we. I went on his show once. So yeah, he's a he's an interesting. Young man seems to have a good head on his shoulders. and. Good a very good conversationalist so That's that's a very good episode I. Definitely encourage people to check that out. Other than that. I, don't know kids are back in school. That's good. And Let's get into the show Let's start with some news. Shall We? I. Think we shall. All right up I this Kinda Sad actually This is being reported from by RT so take that with. Green Assault They are Russian. State run media but. Certainly, surprise me if this is true. Apparently male suicide as a twenty year high and given that the world hates US meaning men. Is Anyone surprised yeah. You keep. We've mentioned this. Keep, getting told that a everything about you as toxic. That that tends to wear on your self esteem a little bit Can. Certainly, if there's any fragility in your self esteem to begin with hearing something like that, all the time could. Certainly. Cause one to questionnaire existence. which is a sad thing But From what I understand historically men have always been hires for suicides go than women. The possible exception that's probably starting to come now would be when it comes to transgenders. They seem to have a pretty high suicide rate even when they don't or even if they do transition. Yeah. And a lot of them. From what I understand regret going through a transition so I guess he did not being a man anymore doesn't help. To make light of something. Sad. which is sometimes you can do. So. Yeah. Twenty year high. That's. Wild. So from the year two thousand I guess. I. Guess This is particularly in the UK. A rate three times higher than women waging a war against straight white males and calling masculinity toxic certainly helping as they said. Or, as I said earlier. Increasingly, men would rather die than live in the modern world. And that is not melodrama overstatement or embellishment. It is a cold hard and depressing fact. I guess, this new data was published by the Office for National Statistics in the UK. Male suicide has soared to a twenty year record high specifically there were five, thousand, six, hundred, ninety, one suicide registered in England and Wales during twenty nineteen with a rate of eleven deaths per hundred thousand people. And men accounted for three quarters of these. Four thousand three hundred three compared to one, thousand, three, hundred eighty eight women and that's all before. Corona virus. Which means is probably only getting worse? So Guy Out there I just WANNA say nothing wrong with being a guy. Is Not toxic. And if you're a guy out there and you've been wondering about the Birth Control. Quite the. Transition, year. Oh No I'm sorry wrong story. Jesus. On a much lighter in. Nicer note. I don't know if it later In Georgia this week thirty, nine missing or endangered kids were rescued in an operation called not forgotten. I guess this has been an ongoing operation to fight human trafficking. and. This Week Ford nearly forty I guess it's thirty nine missing or endangered children were rescued by federal and state agents in Georgia. As part of that operation thirteen missing children were found in an additional twenty, six endangered. I'm not sure what mean by endanger I guess they. Belong. there. But they were bad people. I guess I don't know. Were rescued during a two week operation in Atlanta and making. This was announced by the US Marshall Service. Thursday. Last Thursday. The missing children were considered to become to be some of the most at risk and challenging recovery cases, and some are likely victims of child sex trafficking, exploitation abuse, and had medical or mental health conditions. and. There's a special place in Hell for people that prey on kids I tell you that much. Almost makes you not want to have any. Church. If that's the case. Something new. And exciting for you. Well I guess it's not new I. Just found out about it This. Actually I guess came out in two thousand sixteen but apparently, this I believe he's from Germany The Fella's name is BEC-. He has created. A spermatic duct valve. With a switch, the flow of sperm can be switched off. Via the manual actuation of an implanted device. A valve is mounted into spermatic duct and disrupts the flow of sperm cells when closed. The user is thence sterile. they can wear the valve for lifetime and regulate. 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At least a portion of his speech from a Canadian politician, Jack. Layton. Left wing Canadian activists. Claiming that Joe, Biden's DNC acceptance speech had been plagiarized. Judge for yourself. Biden's words for love is more powerful than he hopes more powerful than fear and light is more powerful than dark. In his goodbye letter just before his death. This man Leighton wrote the following my friends love is better than anger. Hope is better than fear. Optimism is better than despair. That's. Straight plagiarism inspired by for sure. Don't think that's I don't think that's. I don't think that's plagiarism. The call it that. Guess in particular in a now deleted tweet. Canadian Trans Activists Sophia. Banks. Wrote Jack Lateness trending one of Canada's most beloved politicians as Biden butchers his dying words. Which Maybe butchered. But I'm still not sure it's plagiarizing I think if you were to put that. Into a college paper. Don't know that. 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I should have prepared like some backup stories or something. but since we're going to have a Pat Who hosts the New York City Crime Report on. Maybe we'll look at the. Look at some New York stories here. And then. Pat. Gets. In. We can. We can talk about that. Here's a crazy story. If. It'll let us look at it. Some of these have crazy terms and conditions you now. Comes today. car rammed through a crowd of protesters in Times Square who were demonstrating against police brutality on Thursday according to social media footage because of course, everything is caught on video. Now, dozens of demonstrators were gathered in the crossroads of the world chanting no justice. No peace which I'm not I'm not really sure even what that means. I guess it means they're going to stir shit up until they get what they want is what it sounds like. This happened shortly after eight PM when the car approached in. Honked honked repeatedly at the group. At least two protests with bicycles stood in front of the vehicle which appeared to be a Ford Taurus attempting to prevent it from passing is the crowd crossed the street. The driver of the car spotted for a brief moment initially. Stopped for a brief moment, but then suddenly hit the ass and sped away ramming through the protesters. And of course, this story doesn't include the video. Let's see what else we got A. Now. When his worn wilhelm have to say. I won't. Call, him to Blasio. That's done fucking name. But Oh apparently apparently, the trump administration is looking at defunding or withholding some kind of federal funds that are supposed to go to New York. City. and Mr Mayor Wilhelm there is Saying I'll see you in court. and. This one does have some videos. Let's see. What he has to say. Mr President us. We asked you to help New York City, and you weren't there for us. We asked you for testing beginning of this crisis never came. We asked you for a stimulus to help us get back on. Wait a minute. What testing never came? Maybe. It came later than you wanted. But. Even here in podunk Colorado. Almost every corner. S A drive in testing facility. What the fuck are you talking about? Our feet, you didn't lift a finger. We asked you for. No. No. They passed A. Trillions and trillions of dollars in stimulus. So don't do that, but it's About the corona virus, so we all move forward together. and You refuse to tell New Yorkers the American people what was really going on. So you failed us. And now you want to punish us. It makes no sense. By the. All right. So how how did they? How did the Federal Government Fail New York? friend of the show. Dr. Chooses. As you all know is a Navy reservist was deployed to New York as part of the federal assistance that went there. They sent at least one hospital ship maybe to. To treat non corona patients so that their hospital system could deal with this supposed influx that was going to happen which never did. The hospital beds full of dying people don't fucking exist. They just don't. Way Built your words don't carry much weight on this topic because the Supreme Court. Has Spoken. President States can't interfere with federal funding for cities and states just because he feels like we have laws in this country. So if you persist and trying to deny the funding that's keeping your exiting going in the middle of this crisis, we will see you in court and once again, we will beat you in court. Maybe. I don't know about that. Definitely have to click on this one. Professor who lied about being. Black. Ripped White New Yorkers. Any profanity laced tirade. Is Hot off the presses. The white college professor admitted to posing as a black. Able to sneak in that did not use their time to black and brown indigenous. I also, WANNA call. I also, WANNA, call out all these white New Yorkers who waited for hours with us to be able to sneak in that did not your time to black and brown indigenous New Yorkers who thought that their sense of I thought cops was here to protect us but I guess they're not boy you think that this sort of like shock and empathy thing is the move. Okay. So a couple of. Things you was talking about share. You was talking about moving against the gang database was up with that because last I checked still operating last. I checked that still up, you talk about us to show up been shown up in all these neighborhood council meetings trying to fight vacation ain't nothin shake and a real quick. I want to talk about some of my experiences in the Bronx on Thursdays. Zona stop right there, and just reiterate this person is a college professor. Apparently, not an English professor. just La. Bomba. Appeared to actually be Jessica crew a George. Washington University professor who copped Thursday to falsely claiming to be a woman of color as she taught. African American Studies. The fell mouth La Bomba claimed in her talk. which was delivered via video that officials sold her Bario of East Harlem to Real Estate. Interests, before Raelians lawmakers for not being tough enough on the NYPD. You, pose unlike you oppose. them for sound for your social media for your election campaigns. said. I don't know which name is correct La Bomba or crude. Who appeared to be standing on a roof get the fuck Outta here. You've been supporting the cops in the pandemic. K.. Probably because no one else. Will. Theory is. My muted. Now you're coming. Sunshine. John off the air. Started Close. Fan. Comedy of errors I'll be a no, you're good. Cool. All right. LADIES AND GENTLEMEN STAND UP COMIC To show is called crime report and some kind of Southerner Pat Dixon. and. Some kind of what? Some kind of southerner right. Southerner. Yeah. Well, you know from the somewhere down south. Ten Show called crime report and I got New York City Crime Report, which is all that New York City and that's how I started off to doing it. Subway hero Joe Zito's face randomly subway and then how To. Around the people are like I didn't even hear about. She was on the front page for like you know the day I mean it was a twenty eight our. Expert. You kill it was on the train going up from. Rabbit out what does that? No I. Mistakenly, clicks. I can't hear you I I don't know what's wrong. I can't keep breaking out visit maybe it's because you're. I think I'm losing you pat. Out there you are yeah here. PEOPLE LISTEN TO THIS Nobody's talking. All right I tell you what? Yeah. That keeps reason up I'm going to. I'm GonNa just going to call you on the phone from here man. You'RE GONNA, you're gonNA been going with what's happening. I'M GONNA try calling you on the phone because this is This is no Bueno. Okay, well, we could try zoom if you want to. Yeah we could do that. Let me pop that open. So I'll kill this call and bring up zoom. Perfect. Right. Ladies Gentlemen the joys of live, TV. Man I wish Eric was here. So I could. Get that. Going and have him fill time. But that is not the world that we live in. So. I will. Shoot. Pat An invite. And try to keep you entertained while I do that Yeah this Kinda. Link. Will will try zoom. Works better. In, hopefully, I can get. that. We can get PAT in. On Zoom. That is not why why. That isn't what I wanted either. Goodness. How you doing? Can hear me my air we go music. We got you tastic I got. Off, yeah, that's a little smoother. I don't know why it seems like zoom is a little more stay on lately. I wonder why that is maybe the right people owned. Balloon stock in. And everything probably I think all the Shit we're recording is going right to the. So foul I'm sure it is out. I mean look I, I I'm a big believer in law and order you know but I mean, you gotTa draw the line somewhere. Well Yeah it's. Like they shouldn't know everything that we're doing right. So unless while especially, if they don't suspect you cry. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Well, they that doesn't matter. You know what I mean it's funny. The do they'll do shit on a big level like you know as the Internet you know like like Obama, you know with his NSA searches or whatever go into Obama and the first ten seconds of talking to you or something. But you know all those essay searches needed and then stop and Frisk is supposed to be some kind of national fucking tragedy. Stop and Frisk was away having black. You now say the Bloomberg saved ten thousand lives about that policy. Now I am nobody appreciates that and then even apologize for it like an idiot and I. Apologise for saving lives but that's The. That's the mind of billionaire guess WHO's trying to suck up to the far left. I Yeah I guess. So Bloomberg we he's a weird character man one of these guys that I don't I don't understand if you got you may. Mall. Yeah but how how do you? How are you a kind of a self made man to that level and then? And then flip around and become like A. Socialist. That's what I don't understand. But. You made your money right on one one world government. You know because socialism is really just a way. It's KITSON EASIER WAY TO. Rain over people you know in the whole thing's going to be a big oligarchy kind of thing more like a you know the elite they always do really well in this threat -tarian situations so. Like Seora? He's got all the money yet financing all these fucking assholes who are out there. You know killing people beating on cars that's been a tough spectacle. Behold for me seeing people like stopping cars you know and you'll see like, wow, this is the wall is doing a very unnatural thing by preventing these people from being run over where they stand. Yeah. That's very odd In fact I I was just looking kind because you were coming on at the new. York Post and I guess just today. And It appears somebody was driving and got fed up with the. Peaceful protesters and drove through a group of them. and. I'm I'm just GonNa take a guess they weren't being peaceful. They're never that peaceful. I'm sure made us unlike you've ever was plowed through them. Plowed through a bunch of protests that I really like to sell paper second ball you have an agenda to all we. Have the you know the l. m. and is always right. I mean, the post is a little bit better. But they're not but they're not perfect and and they they do kind of like. I, knew I knew the post was sort of like banning to the lack whenever I started seeing they would have their news stories with the a Donald Trump quoted would say, and then after the quote would say he claimed that evidence. That's something they never used to say. I've never I've never heard that said about any yells claimed without. Be. Guy Speaking because already you know I, mean that's what you're supposed to and that's it. And unless unless he's like Ada scientists saying these discoveries. Ask and he's doing well, I have no evidence that this machine will. Tell you that it will. It's For the president to be saying, you know the things he says, yeah, probably look I. So you find but he finally got fed up, I was in New York City or elsewhere. Yeah. It sounded like it was in Times Square. My God. That's great. That's great. I hope there's some dead protesters you know maybe it'll get somebody's attention although for the guys sake I hope not because I mean whoever it is, the did it is going to be facing. frigging like second degree murder charges I'm sure and they're not going to go into another difficult to find a jury it's going to like. You know can the up for like people are genuinely afraid to like the other opinion when you when you have somebody polling when you can't even answer Greg, you can't even say who want to. based on you don't look. It's just a it's a bad situation supporting the president is like some kind of Punk Rock asshole decision you know. I think part of. I don't know how old you are sorry to break in but like. No pro. I know that when I was. All my teenage years Reagan is president right eight years in a row. And so for people who had Obama eight years and that's all they basically remember and then so like. As, long as they've remembered, it's been you know this is a smooth talking in a guy who's a and pretty much the anti-trump. He is he's the anti trump. And then trump comes in there just like what? No Fair when you talk and this is the way it's supposed to be. Well Yeah. He he was Trump trump really. I think squashed a lot of. Plans. Not just for Democrats. But for all establishment politicians because he he shouldn't have been the guy. I mean he he and yet he? Absolute was inevitable and had to be because he has sense of inevitability about him from from the moment that he started campaigning and I think is soon as he came down and he said what he said on after coming down the escalator and then his numbers shot up everyone in Washington every Eurocrat. Every every. All Permanent Washington world governments everywhere they went oh shit. At the Apple Cart in the Hillary was concerned about going to jail. They went out General Flynn so fast you know because he knew all the bodies were buried world. And I'm surprised. Well I'm not surprised in. Fact. I'd say I'm disappointed that nothing's happened with Hillary. Still Yeah me too I I'm shocked and now, and now they're trying to compare. Now. They're trying to compare the fact that Melania trump uses a personal email address for some of her first lady duties. They're trying to equate that to the same thing that Hillary did. Sure yeah same thing. Come on. The other email addresses, personal server that she has in a separate location You know that she's trying I don't think the millenniums writing anything that she's wearing about voicing foia requests I I don't believe there's no. Freedom of I don't think the first lady gets even get security clearance or you know like. She must get security clearance. While maybe maybe like confidential or something but I know it's not like top secret. We have. been at that like it's just like I'm I'm sure that she's doing. On the up up, you know what I mean. That's that's really questions should be asked if anybody is this on the up and up okay. Well, then it's not what Hillary did you dumb fucks you know it was what she was definitely illegal. Definitely. Designed to to hide information that was. He. Of course and China was copied on every email that she sent as secretary of State. See that's why become. You know maybe she got money for that who knows. The. You know some of that The money from. Uranium one and all that stuff you know anyone could huge cuts and Ukraine for. Neck deep in that place. If he was not running for president, you know I it might be quite a different deal with them right now. Utah Biden. Went like. Yeah. Biden, when during the impeachment they kept calling him his political rival and it's like. The Nation Right now, just some hopeful. And the right yeah. Elevating him to political rival. Company a bit weird I thought that was. The president today. I don't know if you caught any of it, but he he actually said. You know. Ten Thousands and thousands of people are dead and more in New York than anywhere because of the incompetence of into Blasio's yes. I I had I smiled from year to year manages to hear some. Just, to hear that said, trump never disappoints I love it. Yeah speaking of de Blasio I'm I'm curious. Why do you call him that when his real name is wilhelm? It does. Warren Wilhelm. And I'm sure that might have had something to do with why he did a two plus he wanted to appear Italian rather than you know Nazi. and. I thought he was going for. Most Old. I was GONNA. Say I thought he was going for like Puerto Rican or something I wasn't sure The blasios Italian. Yes, it gets talent. And, full or A. Flea played or something, but he that guy. He wanted. Something like ninety percent of the Italians in the United States live with. Like. Two hundred miles of New York? City. Yeah. Yeah. I've heard that Including Anthony Cumia. I've never met an eye time hardly. All right. Well, I told you that name is man tool the phone you WanNa do this. While I, was I was GonNa say let's Let's get into these fan questions that we posted on. Reddit if that's cool with you. Okay So these came from the compound media Sub Reddit? So I'M GONNA guess they're mostly focused on your compound media show. And and the stuff that you've done their. Number One and I got a kick out of this. This comes from. User Bear Claw Mohawk he or she asks have you talked to Bonnie McFarlane since she stormed off the show when you were substituting for Anthony. I talked to her since. The. Show and I was trying to. Get Her to specifically tell me why she got so mad and she she was she just kept telling me that I knew. Hours. Until she was when she started texting all caps. So it's like maybe I'll talk to rich you know. I got I I really like mean podcast throughout the whole. Did. You hear did you ever hear that podcast? So it was it was only out for a few hours. No from boss. Because she concerned. Yeah Yeah it was you know an episode of you know. I have my wife or whatever it is and Yeah. and Christ. Loss you know because if it was Bonnie couldn't be bothered. You know. So she to sort of agree but it was like damn I guess he was defending her honor but I mean, like look. The question. She will probably never speak to me again and I doubt she'll ever be back on compound again, which is just a way of getting back. You know it's GonNa, not GonNa look good for me. If I ran somebody off forever I would love to talk to her I. In and Audion and man. I understand she's got a retard sister seldom. That's what I gathered. Yeah. Let's say. That episode though is kind of Weird I would it would if somebody is. Just saying like what do I have to conform my comment? FIT, like new. Wherever's we're. While an end Bonnie wasn't even the guest you were talking to rich. Like I mean like didn't she was You know what? What weird about that show is supposed to be hosting it. But then like serious told him at the last minute, they could not signal guests and so I in desperation, which is what it took. Keith called me to sit in. And this is what happened you know because? I thought it was just being asked to host. You know I didn't know is being asked to dislike sit there. So I prepared shit and it was like I'm going to host this show I'm not GonNa sit here and just like take a back seat and she got really a. She she got. About that I think she didn't like that. But I mean, could she insisted on being moved to the couch? Like they were like you want to sit at the we get it another Mike Right here at the panel no no no. I wanted just sit over here. It was like it was bad vibes from the start. But if you tell a comic and that comic is a comic ran. Anything. Except this. then. The. Comic must talk at that immediately. That's the rules. Yes. So. I had a blast center. That was one of the most fun. That was the funnest two hour period. I ever had in my life. Loved loved every minute of it. Even when my wife came in and fucking. Didn't take my side I'm like. I'm not wrong. Well that's that's a that's a very difficult episode defined because compound doesn't actually have it out. Even. Even in the archives I had to find it on Youtube. Are you. That sucks. Come on that was that was that episode was voted your. Aunt was out for thirty days on. uh-huh. Also. That one was voted the number one best episode of the whole time and you're gonNA tell me took it down. Well, it's not surprising at I don't. I. Don't know if they took it down I know that if you click on I, memorize this episode three, forty seven and if you find it and click on it, it says that it's you guest hosting with Vossen and Bonnie but but then it's a repeat of when. Bobby Kelly hosted and Jim. Norton was the guest. I can't believe it. I cannot believe it. I'm GONNA I bet really sucks. It is on Youtube. Yeah it's on Youtube Yeah. Yeah I'll put the link up just so people don't have to look I'll put it on my website primers. Dot nyc right now. Very easy to. Do I'm doing it as we speak that's how I'm not just. Ridiculous and if it's not on Youtube I actually have. I. Think it's under. And offends Bonnie McFarland. Artis. Up. There was one with with a lot more of us a lot of shitty yet there it is right there. So crime report, DOT NYC. I'm. Right. You haven't seen it take. And it's weird shit from beginning to from beginning to. Nothing but we're. Shit. Never, I've never seen it is weird it was one of the wildest shows ever. Gavin McInnes comes on some. Even even before. Even before she stormed off every time she talked seemed like she was pissed off about something that you know. It was like, what are you already upset about? Yeah. Yes. She was pre-mad somebody if a woman's pre mad really you can't win if Novak normal. Than ships, she's going to get pissed off, and if you act like tiptoe around her, then she's going to get really vicious. I would have maybe I should have. Yeah. I didn't even think that that was allowed. You could. You could walk off the show. I had no idea that was loud. It's totally not allowed. It's an amazing shift that's happened in comedy I. think that was very representative of it. You know. And people wouldn't comedians are seeing their way clear to be like I don't like that you know and I'm against that. I won't name the Comedians when I I heard one comedian recently who agai was promoting the show this phone. Just, talking into any, put it up on social and another guy who was on the show. saw the same like we're not going to wear masks and stuff. This guy contacted the booker and got the guy thrown off the show because he didn't care about other comment. that. Kinda Shit is that the fuck? I I. Get it. I. Wish I could take sworn to secrecy. But you know people could probably figure it out if they really wanted to. So, this is a this is about to be up. All right and then people will be able to to see this. So. Yeah. I i. appreciate that question what was the guy's name? I'll file His name was bear claw Mohawk. Bear Claw. Mohawk. Good name. All one word. MERRICK LAW MO-. Let's see. Then we got a question from Chipper Sin of York. Okay. He asks if it's possible to get some small cable companies to carry away royalty when the Royal Family Network City? Crime. report. Small cable to carry the crime afford new. York. City. That's what he says if I understand the question, do you. I. Guess he wants to see like. Yeah I guess. He wants to see on regular TV and not have to pay. I don't know. Okay well. That's. Certainly, fair. I don't know. I guess that's what he's getting her. Mean maybe he maybe he thinks, oh, I know he's trying to trying to. Read the question I think he wants me to get an upgrade your. Let's see deer Patterson. Is it possible to get some small cable companies? Show. It's very good in everyone in the south hates New York. person from the, south. I I don't know I don't know it. Okay Bird. Attacks you there with the questions Yeah. I don't know man I mean like I think it's all about the demand really you know and if demands there then the the. The thing is those that. WHO. The show would have to change a little bit. Wouldn't it 'cause I say anything I want and like That's generally not allowed on on other places besides compound media. That's like the they've never anything that said now they did take one of my shows. One show that I hosted they did take down I understand but like you know that's their prerogative we don't have to put it up to the lunch. But all right. Crime, report DOT NYC. Pat Offense Bonnie it's dead center in the page I'll share the screen. So yeah I mean yeah and really anytime you're dealing with cable and shit like that. I think there's commercials on there's all kinds of chickens, all kinds of considerations I I mean I don't know maybe cable access, but I mean like it's kind of entertainment that you can't really get. In in a place like that, it's Kinda whole idea behind comp. Media and Compound is as you know, it's a great got other stuff too. So but I I. Who who doesn't want to. BE ON TV right. But I would be a good fit. Yeah I Yeah. I recently looked into that question prompted me to look up what you have to do to get a show on public access cable and or or whatever. And apparently it's not that easy Number one they want everything chopped up into, will they want everything chopped up in a nice half hour blocks they don't want any embedded advertisement. So if you have sponsors. Put up for them. Your sponsors have to be cut out. Okay. So it's a, it's A. Thirty minute mark and not have any ads. Yeah. Well, I guess. That makes sense I. Guess you know they don't want to like. Be Making money off the off their platform. You know when their dislike public access deal, I did a show down. It's island. It was a Johnny Johnny Potenza show. Guess really good viewers and yeah, it's it's. It's a cable show that against cable access or whatever, and it was. Really. Really. Cool. So I in studio was huge and he seemed really enjoy the he had a band hand like ridiculous dies band. Studio Wow Had Horns and everything. It's like it's like fucking Chicago. CHICAGO. How's that for interesting motherfuckers? s abandoned. Access Job Fuck you. Oh. My God. So I yeah, that's the answer that question took us to a weird place. And finally, this comes from window five. They ask flutes he has talent wise she no longer on your show. But she was just on New York City crime report. Yes. She was A. New York City for. Is. The mother. Show okay. This one I've been in since two thousand eleven a couple of times a week usually. A great show it really is it's just it's audio. It's free. It's on I tunes on Stitcher it's everywhere and it's it's been around for a minute. So it's supportable on patriotic and everything. After that, can there's merchandise for it but people only think about compound most of it's hard to get I really fucked up branding on the whole thing because I'm not really very good business and shit but I wanna make sure that this one was a viewer and this was about you know whatever and end to make a distinction and I i. think that might have been a mistake but anyway, you can get it on my website crime report. NYC latest episode I got to do is click if you want to go back to back episodes and everywhere fluency is on I. Think her name is even in the title I love having a abner show. I even told her you should come on once a week but she she's loyal today for some reason even though Dave does not take care of her the way I'd. You know what I mean while I was GonNa say on on compound she's on. Each side Dave show on every week. Right. Yes you better on my show. Yes. She actually gets to talk a lot more on my show. Thank to and you get to hear her be super. A which weird because she's not even officially putting me she's from Spain per people from Spain she's a Spaniard. Spaniard which explains as big. fucking. Pretty good sized speak on that girl too. But Man, I mean you know depending on the spending on the time of the month. Got A. Pretty. Nice looking. Tart for women to withstand the blow. Jack that we're at where I took her body painted and I was like a a yeah. Just shifting around in keynote. You ever fuck around with stuff like that. Yeah. Airing or whatever. turned. My computer around. You know. It's the. I like this Luzi a lot a I'll tell you how I met her. She was there rehearsing scene trying to shoot Like that. Was Her. The on Wednesday and so I started hitting on her and. You. Know like. When you're just just. On the up and up in a impressing her with how how much you're not hitting on her like you're sending her the by, but then also be. Asked that I am starting this lucy and I may never sleeping. It's really a bummer. Tall psychopaths. I've never. Madge on the phone and. Magin if I was. Then what would happen I probably help? Or? Era Never know what's Hunt To. Great pregnant. While the sign language person gets. You Want there. You are. You froze for a second. All right. Well. Where we? What's What No I I was I. I was just asking you something no big deal. I'm sorry. Nick. Dipaolo do you ever hear Nick Apollo on Youtube you ever watched his show. He's doing now from Suppo- yeah. Yes. He is he doesn't hold anything back. I'm no, he doesn't know how that show was still on our it's on. Beyond like four or five days with way talks. It's a fucking miracle really is I love it? Yeah he's. He's definitely one of my favorites He's alleged, and of course. All of the everyone at compound the only I can't think of a show that I don't like to be honest. Really. You mean to run through some of the me being this. Well each side Dave isn't quite my cup of tea. I'M GonNa. I'M GONNA change. All that man tools I'm GonNa Change All. That 'cause I'm going to be because I'm GONNA be doing a run in on. Tuesday down. That's between you and don't tell any of these people watching but Yeah I think I might be scheduled to be a guest appearance on their on Tuesday if and and don't tell you know if you heard me say that I mean got. Of My mouth. But anyway, it's that show took some getting used to for me and I'll tell you why it used to seem like you remember that movie American beauty. Bag It's blowing around through the air and that's what the show by it always felt like it was. No it always felt like it was that moment right before they get to something and then where it's just that moment attention where it's like I'm about to do something. and. He just figured it out I think he's Definitely gives us all the show I. Wish that he was in studio is lot more fun that way but. That's that's that's what he's got at. So besides decide Dave link. What's this? What's this show with Brian Johnson and Yeah. That's that one's not. But I still wanted to say I don't like it. You know. I mean, look, there's so much to choose from. Even if you love all of the shows, you wouldn't have time to watch them all anyway. So that that's obviously aunt is a couple of hours a day that's automatic to leave starks. That's automatic Thursdays. Twelve third I love safe-space. Say spaces. Great. Yeah. I mean what a great concept I mean like he knocked it out of the park coming up with the concept for that show safe-space four commentary not from commentary the as Greg. Do. The NFL, which is like sports and Crime. Combined. The perfect conceit. He's got good merch for that stuff to. Some of logos he comes up with most people would not be able to wear around on a shirt. But Chattanooga. Nods is particularly I. Don't know if you've ever seen that long ago but. That's harsh. It is harsh. A. Southerner. Like. I think that he should change the name of the Black Scans now in the Washington black. Blacksands to you know I guess. Crime team you know or something like that. Since, that's what they're going by this year the redskins that isn't that fucking nuts. The washing. Baltimore. That's. That's just a placeholder though right until they come up with something better if. I would keep it that way forever just as people need to remember why this has such stupid name and why this happened really it it needs to stay that. Really I. Think I think the Washington football team for all eternity that would be I I would never stop laughing about that I'm not GonNa Watch I. I think they need to change it to the Washington Pale faces. Yeah. The you know about the drunken Indians the. Indian givers. I think it's not even that many fucking Indians to slur right and they like it anyway, all the native Americans love it. They they have. No I've never. The only the only one who have a problem with it would be that fucking Indian chief the Sandman was smirking at in which the day you can't smirk in a fucking Indian in an American war. You know I mean that's yeah. Exactly what we got off the bow smirking those fucking people. America's founded on. Those fuckers died. Sorry. We just better equipped. That's the way the world used to work. Just. There was a whole big country here and a lot of people coming and I mean it does kind of teach a lesson about how immigration could really be the death of a fucking civilization I guess right? Yeah exactly. It's not like we were going to fuck in what do you call it a you know Should. If I have thought of the word, I would have been funny you know but a Recall when culture comes in, they can start doing what you're doing. Cultural Appropriation. No no back like you know just make common and they're like, Oh, again, you to speak speak English stuff like I can't believe. I. Can't think of this word I've been Brian Oh thirteen, our dissemination. no way like I got I got speak English. And I had to learn the customs and I have to stop being like from. You know Africa and start being from the United States have become an American assimilate simile. Yeah. Yeah. It's not like we're GONNA Kinda come over in and assimilate. So if you member, we were talking about native Americans in this. Worked to well yeah. I mean, we rewind the show we rolled over with. We rolled over with you know firearms and Cloth and. All these all your stays going to give up the cloth. We had had. Some China and stuff roll like, Hey, you guys need a new. A new ram suit Eric when you went. In there like fuck. Yeah. For what how much I mean they didn't you understand they had some different concepts. If they drove a harder bargain on staten, island than they did Manhattan not everybody knows. The fucking. NAPIS. Man I mean they were like. Fully, once right. There like we want double the Wadham this time motherfucker. For the forgotten borough. But man I love I love covering crime I love talking about it to me. It's the best subject because you're going to every other subjects through it I've had. Great Cops. Forty year retired a police detective named Nuccio who just retired everything's still fresh got time on his hands. He agreed to come on and do the New York City Crime Report on confidence you can watch them. They're listened to a totally different show. With them on on you know the other show New, York City proper on itunes and stuff crime reported seat explains it all but ah him and Michael O'Keefe The guy who shot a drug dealer ended up turning into the Washington riots us on crime report. So like lately, I'm connecting with some great police guests and you know. I want more cops the watch when I'm doing you know because like man if they deserved some credit, they knew all fucking credit and what's happening now is a fucking travesty. Everybody, who's criticizing them needs to shut the fuck up and just say thanks and move on. You know what I mean this whole bullshit as nothing to do with race. That's got look I mean like, why should why should you know some brag addict Ivan Overdose in Minnesota and? Let alone make all these restrictive rules on how you can handle somebody when you arrest them, Blah Blah blog criminal prosecution, and it never ends. So like once once you start trying to these these people talking about not not a race of people fighting about the insurgents to be l. am and all that stuff you will never get to the bottom of it and you will regret ever having. No, no in fact. In fact, last week we were talking about that story out of DC. where The rioters made made these people eating in an outdoor cafe raised their fists and the the one couple the dude was like, no, we're not doing that and I was like we were like, yeah, that's the only that's the only option because once you raise your fist is going to be okay. Now, get on your knees now lay down on your face you know it's never never ends with the petrol that. Well you know I mean like. I think there's one other option you know you can raise your fist produce make sure it's an Uppercut, right? Who's to say that you're not very, very clumsy when you raise your fist. Yeah The only thing they understan-. Trevor. Violence. That's the only thing. Yeah. That's it. A really is. And that's what they need which been helping. Trump says he could clear it up in a fucking our. GonNa say it's weird because they're they kind of come from the generation that didn't get their asses whipped. And then they WANNA start shit with everybody I mean that's you get from not ever getting your ass whooped yet. They don't understand what violence is. What it means I mean they do with they've trained for it in the last for maybe they spar whatever you know. They have no concept I. mean they weren't disciplined they had. Seeing leading up to this year after year I've gotten worse and worse and worse where we add like the guy who's like you know he doesn't like. That some woman is protesting something. She's there to talk about. So he doesn't like her point of view takes a stance kicker in the fucking face because this is trying to kick her phone out of her hand. Fuck you mandate that is also bad though kicking somebody's phone and allowed either you dick. and. A guy you could tell he had no fucking. Feeling about that at all. Is Trying. To that was totally innocent. There's layer upon layer of dumb fuck there and like by the time you peel all the layers of dumb fuck. What you'd have is like a just an empty fucking bag of like a little plastic bag shit used to be you know what I mean. were, asked vehicle all all of them, all of them and anybody who agrees with them and anybody who votes for buying fucking worthless. Your law I is worthless. You you you you. You hate, America, if you vote for Joe Biden and I'm not even trying to be. Nasty. I mean we all have choices to make you either don't understand what's going on or you're worthless. When it's like I don't think people are gonNA show up for them and I think they're going to try to steal the election. Anyway I think it's why he's not really campaigning you'd have to impress anybody. You're just going to do trying to steal your with male ends anyhow going GONNA, fight it out in court. They're not getting campaign people out there they're getting they're they're hiring lawyers. 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Republican National Convention: Day 1

The Sean Hannity Show

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Republican National Convention: Day 1

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Now, there are other deep discounts on all other my pillow products and the Promo Code Sean seven or call eight, hundred, nine, one, nine, six, zero, nine, zero for these great radio specials. Glad you're with us. Eight hundred, nine, four, one, Sean you want to be a part of this extravaganza seventy one days until you are the ultimate jury. lot to get to we begin the RNC convention tonight right as my show see my face, the convention starts. It's a little scary. You would think Hannity's opened a convention. You hear that Hannity said he's over the convention media mob would just go nuts the little heads with. You. Know. Spin around in circles and then they projectile vomit. You Know Green Puke. Because that's who they are. They just they lie. They all lie the a number of lies you know Lyndon iron talking about this we were just laughing about it that have been told about me. In just the last year alone like a typical day a of mine sent me something I said Yeah it's a lie and I go basically just a typical day of my life and there is just a a rage. There is a site psychosis bordering on a breakdown specifically among the meteor mob that just cannot take. It cannot stand donald trump so much it is every bit of effort attention blood sweat tears. To to not have to choke on the words and seventy one or two days depending what time the election might be called or maybe the seventy-nine days. which should concern everybody we'll get to that later in the program today. that we can project Donald J trump has been re elected the forty fifth president of the United States that look it's all on the line here. All of it there is this is not hyperbole and it's funny. Maybe the one thing that we that I agree on what the Democrats and after they're totally pathetic and weak really low rated convention week because it was it was dull beyond anything. I've ever seen for convention. And why it's pretty simple. What they ignore the the the country, they just ignore it. Four straight nights coverage, they ignore it completely. And of course, there's mostly rage. And Hatred towards Donald trump toward him by the way when they hate trump remember also hate you they hate all of us we you know smelly trump supporting walmart shopper irredeemable deplorables. The fifteen percent is joe refers to them as. So I think and and very little I mean they had moments where they talked about their radical agenda. At one full minute Bolshevik Bernie probably the most honest of everybody. This is the most prophetic and progressive meaning left wing radical. Socialist. platform in the history this country I finally we have the party is going crazy like me. kind of his shorts speaks in the. Air You know anyways like Hiccup speaking it's funny. his particular style anyway. So I think you're GonNa see I i. think you will hear No, we're not a perfect country. But we have the constitution if it's listened to the rule of law didn't happen in two thousand sixteen. Did it. That allows US always to right wrongs correct injustices to become a more perfect union, which is what every American united should strive for. Yeah. The words under God in the pledge think a few people forgot last week. so I can see. American exceptionalism American greatness. I think this is GonNa be the biggest. Contrast in terms of conventions that maybe we'll ever see in our lifetime note. I just can't imagine based on what we're hearing about what's going to happen. at the Republican convention that it's going to be any anything other than that. and. Anyway. So they have a very specific that's going to be laid out. What is their agenda? On jobs, what is their agenda to help business? What is their agenda to increase wages and enact more fair trade deals to protect American jobs? What is? How do we bring manufacturing back? What is what are the advancements in terms of covert and of course, therapeutics and status of of the final phase, human trials of vaccines and energy independence and of course, ending all reliance on China because we learned how unreliable they are and have been for a long time. The only person that was out there in front on China was a guy by the name of Donald J, trump. What how do we deal with the health care crisis in large part caused by the disaster known as Obamacare millions, losing their doctors, their plans, and you know all of us pay on average two, hundred percent more how do we get lower prices? Prescription Drugs President has said over and over and over again preexisting conditions will be protected in spite a democratic rhetoric. how do you lower the? Well, we've discussed that in detail healthcare savings accounts accounts are a friend Dr Josh Number Healthcare Cooperatives, how do we? How do we fix our delapidated broken down school system in the country? Well, school choice would be a good start. Why did the Democrats and teachers unions resist it. because they have an unholy alliance teachers, unions guaranteed to give x millions and millions of dollars Democrats help him stay in power and they get to perform at a level that is unconscionably I mean. Awful. And they're taking away the you know, what is the the ladder to success? So many of our kids especially in in big cities all across this country. Yeah. The ones were all the violence that's taking place that they ignored last week to Yeah. We spend more per capita on education than any other country on the face of the earth and he'd be App thirty-seven to fortieth in terms of where we stand for the money we spend what about policing in this country what about draining the swamp forever how do we? Clean it out once and for all and protecting our borders and protecting American workers and innovation and an America. First foreign policy that has served the president well. The theme for the Republican National Convention is going to be honoring the great American Story. And it's going to be told by a lot of great Americans. You're going to have speakers I think most of them tonight, but you'll have people. That are speaking from from the world of politics but then you're gonNA have others. I have the list in front of me. We can go through a little later in the program. It's GonNa be very interesting to hear from a lot of people The President I'm told will be speaking a little bit in my our as the convention gets kicked off, we'll carry that live and in total for you. which I think will be. But Monday theme land of promise Tuesday, theme land of Opportunity Wednesday theme, the land of Heroes Thursday theme, the land of greatness. Pretty Amazing. So it's interesting. All right. So we've been going through. So the first interview by Joe Biden and Kamala Harris was given to David Muir. ABC and I I almost was unwatchable to me. They attempted like publicly bury the hatchet. You know as as Carmela calls, her previous attacks on him just a distraction. Let's go back in time and remind you what the distraction is because they were in the middle of a debate. And she was take down on Joe Biden. A cozying up and praising former klansman praising the guy that filibustered the Civil Rights Act of sixty four, and then partnering you know years later. As it relates to stopping integration of schools because you didn't want his own kids going to schools that he defined. That were quote racial jungles twenty said. And let us let. Let's I remind you of of the what happened in the primary. The leave personal and. It was hurtful. To hear you talk about the reputations of. United States senators who built their reputations and career on the segregation of race in this country. And it was not only that, but you also worked with them to oppose busing. And there was a little girl in California, who's part of the second class to integrate her public schools and she was bused to school every day. And that little girl was me. That little girl was me. Let's go last night. Let's listen to Kamla Harris defending a lot of Joe Biden and listen. So when you have a running mate who makes a comment like you wait black. Lead some people to say he just doesn't get it. Have you been able to speak truth to him about that? Listen. When Joe and I talked about the state of Black America. He has a deep sense of awareness and knowledge about racial disparities, inequities and systematic racism. and. Joe Speaks the words and actually knows how to say the word black lives matter. Contrary to what the president united. States, the current press the United States does, which is so hate and division fulltime and has never spoken those words and we'll never speak the words black lives matter. You can talk to Joe. He has been outspoken on those issues and I know where his heart is. I know where his hardest very different. You know I'm just watching this whole thing and Biden and Kamala tempting to bury this hatchet last. Now, it's a distraction that was said during a debate. He said I guess one of the late night hosts. And you know. But she attacked him on okay. Supporting segregationist and being opposed to and working with former Klansman on integration of schools. And you know that's that's when she called him out on the debate stage. You know she also attacked him being a distraction. From a from the task at hand Democratic Debate, not a distraction Kamla no that that's how you felt. You wrote that line you memorize that line and you delivered that line. In a pretty fierceful way. Tough way to your credit. Joe Biden and Comma. Harrison. You know on trump's support again a tax on poor Joe. and. The strength of Joe Biden you know on the how strengthens Harris to be Vice President I mean it's Oh I love Joe and I love Carmela. Common. Love Joe Joe Loaves Kamla. That's what I saw. Last night not the hardening questions that I'm even the simple things that I go on. All right they did ask about. The mental capacity of Joe. Biden. I I'm just not buying it. Might have my eyes are not deceiving me. There's something wrong here in terms of he looks tired frail and weak. and. He's having way too many moments if you will whatever you WANNA call them that goes to his ability to do this job any saying that he wants to do this for eight years? Not just four years. In a watch me, there was as big answer. Yes today. You say absolutely consider running for a second term of he gets elected left open the possibility of an eight year presidency. He did regret the you a black remark where where's the comment about? Racial Jungle Retract that too I, didn't see that part. I'll admit my appetite was getting low by that point for watching this garbage. Anyway Lot to get to seventy one days you're the ultimate jury by the way had to kill Linda The New York Times yesterday to print it. You know. They were wonderful thing. Yeah Hannity Little Live free or Die American truce arrived maybe the maybe they'll read a couple of pages and remember what the First Amendment You have to sell like a million more copies. Then, a liberal trust me trust me, it's more like two million. We'll not not. That's not that's hyperbole on appropriate. Anyway thank you. live free or die. American. The world on the brink forty percent off Amazon dot com today. If you want get your copy bookstores everywhere bar a books a million barnes and noble. Sean Hannity Book. com. COSCO'S WALMART OR SEAN Hannity Book. Dot Com hey. 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I'd as we roll along Sean Hannity Show Eight, hundred, nine, four, one, Sean you want to be a part of the program there is. There is more lies being told about voter voting by mail how there's voter fraud what about the one thousand eight proven instances that we've been telling you about. What about the nine hundred, forty, nine criminal convictions that have taken place you you look at The fact that the president offered ten billion dollars and the Democrats went on vacation for the postal service, their horrific treatment of the Postmaster General all that money was offered their day decided to go home. Rather, than deal with it, it's you know this. Conspiracy Donald Trump is trying to stop voting if I was at the DNC convention last week. I would have needed a photo ID. To get in every day. They ignore the philly fraud case where literally former Democratic Congress stuffing the ballots in Philadelphia. New Jersey Belan a mail in ballot scheme that was also exposed that ain't included council members one even elected official. West. Virginia literally NABS A. A male carrying a net mail in ballots scheme. Oh, I thought this didn't happen. Or California, voter fraud them what they call the skid row case. your legal. non-legal Illinois residents. They say voting in other words non citizens registering to vote no annoy Alabama. Fraud and it goes on and on and on and they lie and say, Oh, it's not a problem. So simply safe home security is getting a commercial grade enterprise level security, but for your own home now think about the security fortune five, hundred companies use now they need to know police are going to be on the scene immediately. Well, that's exactly the kind of security you get with simply safe. 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What's fascinating is when you look at the real clear politics average. Is Not a balance at all. In terms of Joe Biden. This is going to be a much different week. It starts right at nine PM Eastern when I come up on Hannity on the Fox News Channel. this is going to be a convention that is going to have patriotic programming I'm told me every bit of inside. Information I have it's going to be Joe Biden and the Democrats vicious attacks they will. There will be counterattacks there will be in other words, truth will be told. You know it was weird assault Bama. Said Biden's goals are not that different from Bernie Sanders. He said an interview. If you look at Joe Biden's goals, Bernie Sanders goals, they're not that different. From a forty thousand foot level he said, they don't WanNa make sure everyone has health care. Everyone has a get a job as a living wage. Okay I I've gone through how I don't think Clinton Bill. Clinton. Could get elected president on the positions he held when he ran in nineteen, ninety two and I don based on you know some of Barack Obama's positions. I don't think he could get elected woody hold those positions no I think he hit his radicalism. I. Think Hillary had her radicalism. But remember Bernie Sanders was an outlier. He was an outcast. He was a an annoyance in many ways even an embarrassment to the Democratic Party. And he was tolerated and you know barely tolerated at that and accepted because they needed his vote as often as they could get it just a fact. So he's the mainstream of this new radical socialist democratic, party. La Mayor Biden's economic plan is the most progressive. We will see in our lifetimes Eric Garcetti saying that he Back better wouldn't you need to if that's your slogan, explain how you're going to do it. Joe Biden mentioned the economy four times economic was a phrase used four times mentioned five million jobs but didn't say how he was going to do it. Why not emphasize that? We we have been talking to a blue in the face about the most progressive and most expansive economic plan that we will see in our. I think our lifetimes in America. So anyway it's I mean the okay. In that sense, the more Liberal Democrats that are radical socialist that are willing to say it. They there we but you can see the agenda. We heard Bolshevik Bernie last week we heard AOC last week. We heard Biden last week we know Kamla Harris Okay she introduced in cosponsored Medicare for all in the Senate. She also was a co sponsor of the radical green new deal. So we see the team that he is now surrounded himself with what's unprecedent about this is I think that both Bill Clinton and Barack Obama would be to people that were smart enough to realize there there has to be some outreach to the center of the country ignoring rioting all over the country I don't think is a really good idea. The reason I believe they decided not to bring it up is because well, they're on record now biden denying last night that he would fund the police now. No but he said he would reallocate funds away. and. Comma Harris praised the LAPD for the hundred and fifty billion. Dollars in cuts out there. So. You know one thing that Mark Meadows said this can trump accomplish more in the first hundred days than Biden has in fifty years. He said forty but it's really fifty and it's true. said it on Fox News. Sunday. He's barely passed two bills one of which he's trying to run away from because of the the left, which is the reference to the ninety four crime bill that he was behind. That's the Predator, a speech bill that the Mark Meadows referring to. And you know what's what's the other one is? I don't even know the other one is. What are the accomplishments I've gone over in verse eight years of Barack and Joe Their economic record there eight years the fact Zorin, you can't dispute them. Reality is what it is and you know well, we agree inherited the worst economy ever. Okay. Well, source recovery since the forties. and You you know literally lowest Labor participation rate thirteen, million more Americans on food stamps is at an accomplishment. I. Would say getting jobs and creating jobs. That's the accomplishment. Because now, everybody's invested in the American dream with hope and their own life in their own destiny in their own skills and their own talents. You know. So I mean there's there's You see little flashes of what they they can't get away from. President even saying. Buttons elected China will own this country. Well, we already saw the relationship with China and the Biden's. At Zero. Experience Hunter get that one, billion dollar Bank of China deal. You know I would think Goldman Sachs and Deutsche. Bank. And any any of the big financial houses would be better candidates to partner with the Bank of China. You Know Biden said memory she was ignorant of his record into debate attack memory said that during the first debate when she just she memorized that line, she looked tim data knee I. Way She delivered the line that was written in prepared memorized, and now they're best friends. It's a little disingenuous to me. Joe Biden was asked by Robin Roberts on his black common answer I shouldn't have said it. I. Think. It's far more incendiary. Praise of the guy that's filibustered the Civil Rights Act of sixty four or working with the former Klansman who filibustered the civil. Rights. Act was against the Voting Rights Act. Ought to work on stopping immigration schools because he didn't want kids going to school at a racial jungle, his words. As now again, been accused of plagiarizing Canadian politician this time not Neil Kinnock. Remember the one there. Anyway a CBC news. You know in in Canada pointed out the similars on twitter not Biden's first brush with plagiarism plagiarism. We also did it with Robert Kennedy and British party leader Labor leader near Kinnock. And why am I the first kinnock in a thousand generations to be able to get to university? And Biden just did it word for word and kept going through the entire list? Now they're saying the exact same thing when he gave us, you know teleprompter speech on Thursday night love is more powerful than hate hope is more powerful than fear light is more powerful than the dark. Okay what he said the Canadian politician. Jack Layton is his name. My friends love is better than anger. Hope is better than fear optimism better than despair. I'll let you decide. Biden pledging no new taxes for anyone making under four hundred, thousand dollars. It's not possible. Let me tell you what they're not telling you there you know businesses. Yeah. That would be including them. Do I believe this number? NOPE because they've previously said differently. And when they implemented a spend the trillions on the new green deal and whatever new version of Obama Biden care or Medicare for all comes to fruition. He's pledging trillions of the new green deal trillions to more healthcare. Well, he's the one along with Barack Obama responsible for millions losing their doctors, losing their plans, millions of Americans and everybody not saving a penny on average twenty, five hundred dollars per family per year but no. Literally losing. Now paying two hundred percent more on average. Almost forty percent of this country. Thanks to Biden obamacare. They've won option one Biden Obama care health exchange option. Wow we're gonNA have so much choice while we know the Communist, she doesn't want any choice in healthcare you can have your own private plan. You know yes. Dismisses a tax on his mental. Just watch me problem is we have been watching and we haven't been listening. He quoted now to Robin Roberts and she refused to push back or on the question. I'm not sure why second time in two months Biden used a quote made by made famous by. Chairman Mao. And you know when when it came to women calling it symbol an old expression he said. Okay but doesn't seem like that to me. You know this Bill O'Reilly I think in his newsletter I somebody sent it to me on his website. was asked about it and he said Yeah. Okay. They did a questions for broad no specifics no follow-ups course they didn't get the Donald Trump treatment. You know. Y. Did you call the president xenophobic? Ten days after the first identified case Corona. Virus great questions. Why didn't you mention the growing street violence in your nomination speech? How do you ignore that? You know was there systemic racism during your administration? What did you do to address that I'd add to that why didn't you do criminal justice reform? I'd add to that. Why didn't you do? Police Reforms After Ferguson in Baltimore. Or Cambridge or any of these other high profile incidents. Why didn't you do? You Know How is it? You had so many millions more Americans on food stamps and poverty. That's the result. How is it the worst recovery since the forties? Why did you give the mullah's and around the chant death to America? One hundred and fifty billion in cash and other currencies and you got nothing for what did you get for that? What did you get an exchange for that? Well, the plane takes off drops the CA- drops the cash on the tarmac plane leaves and their back to chanting death to America. Now, rollout blackouts all over the state of California has that new green deal working out there with those policies. I mean Okay Comma Harris. You said, you believe those that accused both Brett on Joe Biden. How can you run with somebody that you believe is guilty of that. Or How do you believe somebody? has chained or you know and you know his heart when you Just literally pounded on him. During the primary debate about his associations with the former Klansman and praise of the former Klansman and then working with the former Klansman. To Stop the school integration debit none of these questions are asked. Ever. Oh, what a shocker Jeff Flake, joining former GOP members part of the democratic resistance all the so funny all these years I've just pondered in wondered. How many years have you heard me express my just utter frustration. With the Republican Party. have becoming weak and timid and spineless. Lacking a backbone. and. visionless. Disgusting the all the all the phony votes show votes to repeal and replace Obamacare then when they get their chance on never mind. So. Pathetic. So I mean now, he just those are the ones now jumping ship and going with the pro Biden Kamala Kamala Harris ticket. Crazy. But you know predictable. What are they gonNA do I. It's funny because everything that Joe says, he'll do one on covert guess what Donald Trump really did. It was a great take down by Mike. Pence I saw some of your forgot where he was pretty, pretty amazing take down that he had. But you know. What about taxing the wealthy? What is this redistribution? What is the danger of that? Well as somebody that was financially independence is I'm a pretty young kid. And struggled you know I remember when I had two hundred bucks in the Bank Old Stone Bank Bank Warren Rhode Island. So I kept my money two hundred bucks. That was my safety net. My own, safety net. Paying rent and you know just doing any job, I can get my hands on. Work since I was twelve and restaurants every job imaginable save the money. So I could go to college ran out of money went back to work. Then I went back to college again. That three separate times. Anyway so I never got. I never worked for any restaurant. Owner that didn't have money to invest in by the restaurant and I always say I never got a job from a poor person. This rich versus poor old versus young. Black versus white. This is the playbook I've I've chronicle the history of this so many times over the years. And obviously the mob in the media they just don't really care. At all. Anyway, the president went on a tear about mail in ballots. And you know if he says if I don't fight back strong, I wouldn't be sitting here. He's right about all of that. Americans continue to flee states with higher taxes. It was in the epoch times. You know states like New York Illinois California or bleeding. Residents, is bleeding evidence is clear. According to Affleck. Al.. The American Legislative Exchange Council that competitive tax rates thoughtful regulation responsible spending lead to more opportunities for more Americans two thousand Nineteen Utah Rang number one for Economic Outlook followed by Wyoming Idaho Indiana North Carolina. According to you know by the way, some of the the problem, one of the lowest tax states is Florida the better infrastructure, the New York I'll tell you that. Why people because they're sick of it. My only fear is liberal New Yorkers and Californians and people from New Jersey and Illinois and Oregon and Washington state they're gonNA take their They're gonNA take their liberal policies with them. That would be a bad idea. Because now they're ruined the new states they going to. At the prospect of that doesn't really. You know. Not. Really appealing to me. Let you others. Thank you. Scott. Shannon live free or Die America in the world on the brink, and we're just seventy one days away from what is the ultimate jury, and that will be you the American people by the way forty percent off on Amazon love saying that I'm you know why? Because I'm a smelly Walmart shopper days have it on sale too and Costco's and target and books a million and you. Know and that votes for Donald Trump. But look that's why you have elections long as they don't try to steal it. Well, there's been plenty of cheating. We've gone through one thousand however many convictions for election fraud and by the way a lot of it in recent years. So anyway, I'd like to know two things one I'd like to see Joe Biden and the president debate once before early voting in sixteen states that is now scheduled to occur. Before the first debate on September the twenty ninth and I'd also like to see and have resolved everything that happened in two, thousand, sixteen th in terms of let's see. Oh, deep state actors, Komi and company and others. So many others McCabe and those people that were involved in number one purposely protecting Hillary Clinton number two using a dirty Russian, bought and paid. For dossier by one candidate in spite of all the warnings that they knew better to take away the rights of one. American. Citizen Carter page the constitutional rights at his civil liberties and also what what else do they do? They literally spied on a presidential candidate and the media mob doesn't care I think we should know what happened in twenty sixteen before we. Actually pull the lever in thousand seventeen or whatever way you're voting. We have the Hannity Dot Com Electoral Map tells you how to register Wendy's early voting starts. How do you do absentee voting? All of that is on there and it's interactive anyway Carter page I had a chance to do a deep dive into his book. This weekend it's called. Abuse and power how an innocent American was framed in an attempted coup against the president of the United. States? And you know we had the testimony what Rod Rosenstein we had. The testimony is Sally Yates. Now we have the indictment of Kline Smith and both Rod Rosenstein and and Sally Yates who speaking at the Democratic convention fascinating right because she get rewarded for signing. FISO warrants with unverifiable information. As the bulk of information and take away people's rights by President at that point Carter page gives his account he worked for the CIA he's an American Patriot the intelligence community knew all about it. We learned over the weekend the double standard that exists as it relates to the way, the deep state treated Hillary Clinton and what they believed to be outside interference from Russia and others of their would've looked a little bit more deeply. They would have found because they founded in January two, thousand, seventeen that the sub source for Christopher Steele dirty dossier. Well, even the New York Times acknowledges was likely Russian disinformation from the beginning, but they treated her possible. Alliances with foreign countries very, very differently. Your some of the things is to take you down memory lane. Them Invite Carter page to explain his horrific. Ordeal that he's been through his book by the way is, on Amazon, dot com abuse of power, how an innocent American was framed in an attempted coup against the president but listen to what the likes Komi and others were saying, where does Carter page go? The target of these five warrants and surveillance. Where does he go to get his reputation back? It's a great question. Carter page was treated unfairly most significantly his name being made public. He's a United States citizen and it never should have been made public and that's an outrage is Your Report Vindicate Mr Komi. It doesn't indicate anyone at the FBI touched this including the leadership he says, you should feel no vindication. Maybe it turns upon how we understand the word confidence at the FIS of process was followed and that the entire case handling thoughtful responsible way by DOJ FBI, we identified significant inaccuracies and omissions in each of the four applications seven in the first application and a total of seventeen by the final renewal application seventeen significant errors in the five zero process and you say that it was. Handled in a thoughtful and appropriate way. He's right. I was we're all seventeen things the either should have been in the applications or at least disgust and characterize differently it was not acceptable. So He's right I was wrong sound like you're a bystander, an eyewitness, you the director of the FBI well, a lot of this was going on Sir. Sure I'm responsible for that's why I'm telling you I was wrong I was overconfident as director in our procedures in August twenty sixteen, just two weeks. into the investigation, the CIA tells the FBI that it actually has a relationship. With Carter. Page. When he has these meetings with the Russians, he's actually goes back and he tells the CIA about it but you never tell the FIS accord that and in fact, in two thousand seventeen. An FBI lawyer doctors by document the CIA said, Carter page. He's a source and he puts in the application is not as source as director you are responsible for this. I was responsible for this. You make it sound like it's not much. It's Very important, it's very. As a source, not source big remember how we got here. If you would still there and all of this came out and it turned out, it happened on your watch. Would you resign? No, I don't think so. That the Pfizer court was also given false information by the FBI. I think that's fair. The FBI should have included earliest push to the lawyers. So they can make a decision information that you just said Horowitz concludes three separate teams made significant errors in four separate fires applications on one of the FBI's. Most significant case of. These misstatements these omissions were not satisfactorily explained. And I think that leaves open the possibility to infer that faith FBI is an honest, a political organization on a political organization. The ninety nine percent are but not mr higher honor himself. James Komi. He was specifically warned repeatedly that you cannot trust this information. They omitted that Hillary paid for it. They used the bulk of what was unverified Russian propaganda misinformation. Hillary Clinton paid for it as the only means even even Yates and McCabe and others admit without that dirty Russian disinformation. Paid for by. There is no FIS a spying warrant on Carter page to spy on candidate trump transition team trump, and then course president trump deep into his presidency Carter page his new book as I mentioned abuse and power how an innocent American was framed in an attempted coup against the president well I think that interviews very hard hitting by Chris Wallace and I think he but his lackadaisical answers while I took responsive take responsibility. How was your life for that year of being spied on Carter Well Sean I think in summary I mean the bottom line and I think for the reasons you've described I was falsely accused right and I was accused of being a traitor unfortunately these people that you're referring to their the real traitors you know you're you're absolutely right I've I've been greatly fortunate to work with incredible people in the FBI and the CIA over over many many years but you know I again the ninety nine percent are great patriotic Americans but unfortunately, there are some serious problems in key places within those strategic organizations of the US intelligence. and. So I mean, unfortunately their. Traitorous activities that was that were committed. and. So I I, think you know bottom line what was done to me should should never be allowed to. Or we're all going to be at risk. You know I mean these people they abuse their oath. All right they and they you know as as you correctly said they they abused our constitution right and that's that's why I'm I'm taking these important steps to start fighting back on behalf of all freedom loving Americans. Now let's talk about some more of the details you describe how you were spied on why it could happen to any American citizen and we now know that they were told directly by the intelligence agencies that you're not the person that is being described as a traitor. You'd in other words, there was no reason to ever spy on you ever, but it was a backdoor into all things trump campaign transition, and then presidency that that is the the. In all of this because you're right this is an attempted coup. Yeah. I mean, it's just it just made a complete mockery of our justice system and I think you know along the lines of what you have been on the frontlines uncovering guy in your and most recently in in your book live for your Diet, you know you gotTa incredible chapter on this as well, and unfortunately there's just a lack of care for the truth and I saw you know unfortunately, we saw that within the. Justice Department and within the FBI and so and I think as The key element is that it's really harming countless innocent people not exactly as you're saying Sean, not just myself. But so many trump supporters during the during the trump campaign during the transition period and throughout the early years of the trump administration and I think it's it's hard to think of anyone who was anywhere near as heavily damaged as none other than president trump himself because. He's really born the brunt of this amid a lot of other lives by the mainstream media and your colleagues in the Democrat. Party I mean that's that's the point if this can happen and it happens again and those that abuse this power those that were corrupt or not held accountable why would they ever stop but you know now you also go into detail about exhaustive transparent cooperation with investigators and the Justice Department more importantly the people whose names we often mention. Now we know forged evidence against you. Well I. Think it's it's really the tip of the iceberg. Because I have really been You know that individual Kevin, Kline Smith who who just was charging document was unveiled the day after you had, you had breaking news a couple of Thursday nights ago and sure enough with the with the attorney general, and then the next day we we saw the charge filed in the District Court and the District of Columbia and that showed severe wrongdoing. But unfortunately, back in April, two, thousand seventeen, my my lawyer actually had a number of conversations with Kevin Kline about. And I think he goes beyond lying and it put lives at risk for reasons and specific threats I was basing at the time We informed Mr Klein Smith as well as the counterintelligence agents that I had been in touch with about these national security threats, and unfortunately in addition to all the dishonesty, they did nothing to advanced national security and personal security. So to me, that's that's one of the biggest tragedies and a as you're saying, this can never happen again. All right final moments coming up the book. Is called abuse and power how an innocent American was framed in an attempted coup against the president of the United States. Imagine if this was your life, your illegally spied on for an entire year, you civil rights ignored your constitutional rights ripped away from you after you put your life at risk abroad for many years to work with our intelligence community while to keep Americans. SAFE has a book abuse and Power Howard Innocent American was framed in an attempted coup against the president. Have you ever spoken to the President Never in my? Life John Wow now who best new you at say that three letter agency workforce during the Bush administration, quite high up and how many years of your life did you do this quite a long time I in the inspector general report they say two, thousand, eight to two, thousand thirteen. But definitely extended far beyond that. In different capacities they were talking about one element is my service, but I certainly helped in other ways as well. Previously. Well, thank you for your service. The book is like a spy novel except it's all true. How can an American citizen a Patriot be spied on for a year based on Russian lies And the media ignores it. Anyway. It's called abuse empower how an innocent American was framed in an attempted coup against the President United States, Hannity Dot COM, Amazon dot com, and now in bookstores all around the country Carter page. Thank you for being with us this story needs to be studied so it can never happen again. Thank you sir. Thank you for everything, Sean Right, and if you want, we have a link and if you if you like my book, Get a copy of pages Yuna, read this and be afraid for our country. That's how serious it is Amazon Dot Com. All right. When we come back, we'll check in with Steve scalise. He is going to be speaking at the RNC tonight Charlie Kirk also is going to check in James O'Keefe battling the state of Oregon, a socialist utopia within that much more as we continue it is RNC night and our big plans we will announce first thing tomorrow when we come. On this program and they're big, that's all I can say, Hannity, dot com, all electoral map information as well. Straight ahead many inaccuracies about my actions that I wish to again correct I i. did not direct the removal of blue collection boxes or the removal of mail processing equipment. Second I did not direct the cutback on hours at any of postals post offices. And finally, I did not direct the elimination or any cutback in overtime. I did however suspend these practices to to remove any misperceptions about our commitment to delivering the nation's election male. Any further assertions by the media or elected officials is furthering I false narrative to the American people. I'm tempted to ask after two, hundred, forty years of patriotic service delivering the mail. How can one person? Screw this up in just a few weeks. Now I understand you bring private sector expertise I guess we couldn't find a government worker who could screw it up this fast. It would take them a while the president is running this post office like a business like he said, he's running into the ground as he has declared bankruptcy a few times on his own businesses, and then to apply the facts, the real facts, not the not the alternative facts based on what you have actually done. One can only reach as a fact finder we. Can only reach to conclusions one either through gross incompetence, you have ended the two hundred, forty year history of delivering the mail reliably on time or the second conclusion that we could gather is that you're doing this on purpose and that you deliberately dismantling this once proud tradition the gentleman's time has expired. The gentleman may answer questions. My last question is this. Thank you. Doing campaign contributions are illegal. So all your campaign, not fully aware. Fully aware of. The League legal train campaign contributions or what if it was anti assertion. So what are you accusing me up? Well, I'm asking a question. Do Your Mail delays fifth, trump's campaign goal of hurting the post office as stated in his tweets or your mail delays. Cam Newton. Now she's types of questions I'm here I'm here to represent the postal service has nothing to do with all. My actions have to do with improvement as postal service may only one in this room that understands that we have a ten billion dollar a year loss. By Amati only in this. report. Committee your communications with Mark Meadows with. Treasury Secretary of MNUCHIN. Mr Joy is your backup plan to be pardoned like. Roger Stone. Hit a full. Two seconds stance of the question I have no comments on that. Just despicable disgusting. But typical isn't it? We saw that was a postmaster general gone before just nothing but but utter hostility. Now. The issue has taken on urgency of mail-in ballots. By the Democrats, they must not have a lot of confidence in the ability of their ever frail and we candidate Joe Biden running on the most radical agenda of any major party candidate in the history of the country If if now they're withholding covert relief monies because of issues involving Oh we need mail in ballots unless we get mail. Okay. So people will starve and businesses will go under but we're going to hold out for that and open borders. because. That's exactly what they've done they. They went back. They went home they went on vacation after rejecting the president's offered increase spending. For the postal service by ten billion dollars by the way, their annual deficit. And the president having to act to help out American, still suffering because of covid residual covert economic impacts and in areas with unemployment benefits that he had to do on his own through executive order. This is this is now their next conspiracy theory. You can hear it the postal service. Did it you WANNA be Roger? Stone. It's not just it is such a disservice. What they they will do. They will say anything. The. Same people lying about Russia Russia Russia the people that claiming they cared about Russian interference but never ordered a single word. About, the bought and paid for dirty Russian dossier that Hillary paid for likely Russian disinformation from the get go. They will warn before the first phase the application was even signed. Don't trust it. It's not verified turns out. It's unverifiable completely bunk bogus. And Hillary paid for it. They didn't tell the judge that either an lastly Christopher Steele had a huge anti-trump political agenda. They don't care about that. They say they care about obstruction. They didn't care about Hillary subpoenaed emails being deleted hard drives of bleach pit hammers, two devices. They say they care about quids and pros and close but not joe. Biden on tape. leveraging a billion taxpayer dollars in saying to Ukraine, you're not getting a billion dollars less ship fire, the prosecutor who's investigating my son who's making millions with zero experience in oil gas energy and Ukraine. Never. mind the one, billion dollar deal with the Bank of China. The became a one point five, billion dollar deal. They lie they spew hatred conspiracy theories, smears slander, and a level of viciousness in character assassination. That is unprecedented. It's all about power. That's what's on the ballot in seventy one days they want power. They're trying to get it is offering you everything for free. You Got Free Education Pre K. through college student loan forgiveness three guaranteed government job at a guaranteed government wage with guaranteed government vacations and guaranteed government healthy food and guaranteed government healthcare headed. How many millions lost their doctors millions lost their plans. We're all paying about two hundred percent more. You'RE GONNA trust them this time. In guaranteed retirement air but they literally the lock box for social security was raided. They robbed it. It's MT, they squandered that money all for power. This is what's at stake in seventy one days joining us now Steve Scalise the House Republican whip By the way, he would be one of the speakers tonight at the RNC's they kick off tonight as my show begins on TV on Hannity on Fox Nine Eastern congressman. Good to have you back. Thank you for being with us. Shawn always great to be with you. Okay. Let's start with the this. Let's first start with the treatment of the United States postmaster general in just disgraceful on I. Mean it's a repeat of the attorney general bar hearing where they literally just land throw false innuendoes out there fake accusations like they always do, and then as soon as he's trying to respond to defend his good name, they reclaimer time and I'm not gonNA. Let you talk and you know what cowards, what a coward to live sit literally sit there and lie about a person their face, and then you invited him by the way and. Then, when it's an opportunity for them to just defend themselves and point out that the Democrats are lying, they pull it back and they said, no, you can't talk I won't let you talk. Well, you know they must've been the bullies they're trying to beat up on kids at school I mean it's disgraceful. It's who they are. They will do anything and burned down the foundations of our country to get power in November everybody ought to be paying attention to this anybody WHO's not sure they're gonNA vote by the way the post master general made it very clear. He's he they're gonNA be able to have the you know the election, take place and deliver balance like they always have. They got more than enough money to go through the middle of next year if they don't get another time. So this idea that you need to throw twenty five more billion dollars at him they literally have a line of credit of ten billion dollars that they can't even access because they're too much money in the bank. Over fifteen billion dollars in the bank, their businesses that are suffering right now about the closed down families struggling right now, we should've been there Saturday to help those families those small businesses, but that's not who Pelosi cares about. She didn't give them a dime. She wants to try to create a scandal where there's not one because they're a candidate has no agenda Joe, Biden literally, last week couldn't tell you what he stands for their PR-. Forty seven years by the way is not done. Any of the things that he's going to say he's going to do with President trump has done in just forty seven months is phenomenal rebuilding. The greatest economy we've seen we're in the Middle Kobe. He's working by the way right now to get a vaccine approved in a revolutionary pace that we haven't seen before, and then we're going to rebuild the economy again, and that's the case we have the way we are building the economy, the economy's showing signs of growth that nobody anticipated. Yeah and they're trying to talk down to they. You know they're trying to keep school system shot they're trying to close in a lot of these states they. They will not stand up onto the lawlessness, the riots that are going on in many cities where they've been defunding police Joe Biden. Literally trying to congressman you're not listening to your colleague Jerry Nadler It's a myth. They didn't even mention her last week. They didn't mention it and for four straight days they lie and just like act like because it's all happening in their cities that have been run by Liberal Democrats for decades they control all of this where you've had police brutality even when you've had dirty cops, you know go look at show vans record by the way one the first time that he was a dirty cop but who let him off it was Democrats that let him off. They didn't care about it back then. But if you look at what president trump is doing, he stands with law. Enforcement he's creating opportunities for everybody. We saw the lowest unemployment in the history of our country for African Americans and Hispanics under president trump and who better to bring that back again to rebuild that to recreate and rebuild our middle class that evaporated under job. I'd go look at where jobs were going when Joe Biden was in the White House with Brock Obama, they were going to countries like China who he coddled look at Russia was doing when Russia interfered with our election. Joe Biden literally with a straight face last Thursday nights that he won't let Russia interfere with our elections Russia interfered with. Our elections when Joe Biden was in the White House with Barack Obama they let it happen maybe because they've got such close ties to Russia to China or they let Iran get a nuclear weapon president trump just gotta deal that he helped negotiate just a few days ago where the United Arab Emirates a Muslim country the first time in twenty five years signed a deal to have relations with Israel standing with our friends creating great results in bringing us closer to ability to have peace in the middle. East. We've ever had before because other Muslim nations by the way not want be a part of. This peace agreement, the president trump negotiated. So just because the press in the mainstream media doesn't cover, it doesn't mean it didn't happen president trump's delivering. He knows you talked about this a lot. He ran on very specific things. He's delivering on those things for those forgotten men and women that Washington left behind the people like Jerry Nadler wouldn't even care about He would trample over those people and he is trying to trample over those people hold onto power. It's disgusting. People need to be aware of what's going on and they need to vote in November and they'll be able to vote just once. But they'll be the vote we've chronicled this they have found one, thousand eight. A proven instances of voter fraud that has a lot of voter fraud, nine, hundred and forty-nine criminal convictions. Just to give you the the quick list here you know the the Philadelphia fraud case where Democratic Congressman stuffing ballots New Jersey was involved in a mail in ballot scheme that was exposed another recent cases including a city council member and city councilman elect their now been charged with fraud West Virginia Mail carrier nabbed in a mail-in ballots scheme. Cal. Moan and on Sean Look it was a state rep in Louisiana we sent our elections commissioner to jail for stealing votes he went to jail we finally cleaned up the office and moved it into the secretary of state. So you can't couldn't just have a political hack running in a way where Democrats could steal elections and it was a Democrat by the way another media would never want to report that he was a Democrat he went to jail as the commissioner of elections I mean it's. I can show you cases voting fraud. If you allow it to happen, it can happen if you mail ballots by the way to every single person on voting role, you probably have fifteen percent of people who just move around and change addresses ballots literally, millions of ballots will just be sitting around and I'm sure you know nobody go look in California three weeks after the election it was still counting ballots until six Democrats. Flipped seats of from Republican, Democrat because they balanced for wheel after the election. Steve scalise thanks for being with US eight, hundred, nine, four, one sean is a toll free telephone number. Don't forget Amazon Dot Com live free or die. If you haven't gotten your copy is on sale forty percent off again today COSCO's Walmart target books a million, Barnes and noble all heavily discounted, which we're very happy about, and again had a had to be horrible for the. New. York Times this Sunday print yet again Hannity Number One New York Times bestseller. Thank you for making that happen but more importantly let's win in seventy one days. New Book is now available. In stores and online. And live free or die number one way actually I got the paper from a friend because I just refuse to buy the New York Times I just refuse it because it had in their live free or die was number one. Did you see Linda by any chance? Are You Did you. Buy You. Please tell me how much is the New York Times now four dollars on a Sunday I. got a copy. You know I had a friend but you didn't pay for it. To get my money to socialist. Try Not to give my money to companies that lie the only problem is they couldn't lie here. Now they can't we you have to win by an overwhelming margin like of thousand of a conservative especially a hannity conservative that's hated by the New York? Times. By the way, the feeling is mutual. Anyway thank you for making that happen eight, hundred, nine, four, one, Sean if you WANNA be a part. Of. The Program News Roundup and Information Overload Hour as we have been going over it is day one of the Republican National. Convention we've gone over what the themes are, what the plans for a second term are and probably what is so uniquely different besides both those things what are you going to do except if you're a Democrat hey, donald trump what else are you going to do hate him More okay, what are your plans we're going to hide it, but we really stated it, which is Bolshevik Bernie's economic plan radical socialism now mainstream in this new extreme radical Democratic Socialist Party Then we're going to spend trillions on the green new deal, and then we're going to have if you think Bolshevik Bernie is the economic czar is bad. Then you've got the vice presidential candidate Kamala Harris is now. To the left of Bernie in terms of real voting the most radical left senator in Washington DC as of now and all last year for example, Then you got of course, she says by executive, Fiat will get rid of guns and she's the one that said shouldn't have private health insurance even as an option executive order to get rid of guns co-sponsor of the new Green Deal Madness Co.. Of Medicare for all madness then top it off with Beta Bozo O'Rourke as the guns are hell yea, were coming for year we're coming for your AK forty sevens incoming for this weapon I guess whatever they decide weapon. You think there's going to be a little slippery slope I. Think. So so on top of the agenda which I went over earlier today the R. N.. C. Theme is honoring the Great American story as land of promise, the land of opportunity, the land of heroes and land greatness wasn't a lot of talk about American goodness greatness exceptionalism at all. By the way I doubt they'll be ignoring the rioting that's been going on all over the country especially in cities run by decades for Liberal Democrats by Liberal Democrats. Anyway, let's go to. this ridiculous interview. He discussed earlier today how Joe Biden would shut down the country. Well, he's a genius. Funniest thing is Mike Pence just destroyed him when he said, yeah, he says to do this this this this this this year, we did all of that plus the president's travel ban after the first ten days the first identified corona virus came into this country ten days. Later than subsequent travel bans and then of course, the first quarantine what fifty sixty years then Joe's saying he plans on serving eight years as president that bring him to eighty six or seven. Well okay. He he really look strong now doesn't it? It doesn't look weak and frail my eyes erred CV me just like the violence and big liberal cities. Jerry Nadler says are a myth. And then Biden said, oh, I, shouldn't have said that ye I you ain't black thing remark what about his comments about it didn't want kids with an integrated schools that would become a racial jungle. Well, what about Kamala Harris defending? Biden's comment. Let's go back to the tape from yesterday. What are the questions we asked? Would you shut down the country again if there's a second wave and if the scientists said, that's what we need to do. If you're sworn in come January and we have corona virus and the flu combining which many scientists have said is a real possibility. Would you be prepared to shut this country down again? I would be prepared to do it. Every takes to say lives because we cannot get the country moving until we control the virus. That is the fundamental flaw. This administration's is thinking to begin with in order to keep the country running and moving and the economy growing and people employed you have to fix the. You have to deal with the virus. So if the scientists say shut it down, I would shut it down I would listen to the scientists. Let's put the tax aside. Then the American people remember Ronald Reagan was seventy-seven when he left office seventy entering office and you have said yourself that you are a transition candidate does that mean one term president? What does that doesn't even say you're leaving open the possibility you'll serve eight years. And I wouldn't be here for the African American. Population in America, I worked in east side six blocks appear. which is virtually all African. American. I had a good job with a well-known law firm and quickly became a public defender, but here's the point. I shouldn't have said that I was trying to make the point. That this is a man who spent his entire career. Denigrating African. Americans. But the truth is there's a fundamental difference between Donald Trump and may on the issue of race across the board. I'M NOT GONNA I'm not, GonNa try to divide people. It's all about people together. So when you have a running mate. WHO Makes a comment like you wait black. Leads. Some people to say he just doesn't get it. Have you been able to speak truth to him about that. Listen when Joe and I talked about the state of Black America, he has a deep sense of awareness and knowledge about racial disparities, inequities and systematic racism and Joe Speaks the words and actually knows how to say the words black lives matter. Contrary to what the President United States, the current President United States does, which is so hate and division full-time and has never spoken those words and will never speak the words black lives matter. You can talk to Joe. He's been outspoken on those issues and I know where his heart is. All right joining us now to discuss mother gotTa give a lot of credit to our friend Charlie Kirk he's the founder is the president of turning point. USA It's the largest fastest growing conservative student organization advocating for Free Speech on college and even high school campuses He had a number one bestseller New York Times out fairly recently the Maga- doctrine He will be one of the speakers tonight at the RNC and certain that the president is going to win reelection I, always you know my rush you know I I'm just we're at would two minute drill would down by six. You know we got your ball, your your own twenty, no timeouts you gotTa March down eighty yards marched down the field eighty yards crossed the plane kicked the extra point. But I'm listening to this while very different Kamala. Harris on ABC than the one that kicked the living crap out of Joe Biden for being friends with Oh. Let's see. the guy that filibustered the Civil Rights Act and joined with Joe Biden Stop Integration to prevent his own kids from going to schools that will be racial jungles Joe, Biden's word. How're you? Charlie I'm doing great. Thank you, Sean, and congratulations on the success of your book and too big week this week and I think the president's GonNa do quite well in contrast to the the massive a Democrat convention last week honored to be with you. Well, let's start with Kamla and the double standard because I mean Oh, now that I'm a vice president of course, I don't care what you said and your actions and the people you praise that were. Virulent racist former cleanse members right exactly. I mean look senator. Harris was the number one critic of Joe Biden last summer. I mean the kind of the top moment of presidential campaign was when she turns to Joe Biden and she said that little girl was me and she was she was trying to create an entire presidential campaign around convincing you know the entire Democrat primary population voting population that Joe. Biden was kind of a racist sympathizer and now she's Trying to make the argument that Joe Biden is the exact opposite of that and when she has challenged, she was talented in a recent interview. She said, oh. That was just the debate. So I guess for her she can say whatever she wants whenever she wants to. It's nothing but transactional politics and look it's an incredible double sided double standard and double standard double sided nature of this as you said, and I think that in a lot of. Different ways it doesn't really motivate the Democrat base because she is not well liked among base voters at all, and it certainly doesn't win over swing voters in the Midwest that Democrats are struggling tremendously. So we watched last week wh what did we see? They ignore that violence and riots and looting and and mayhem and anarchy is is all over you know cities like New York and Chicago and Portland and Seattle Annella in San Francisco they ignored that part. they tried to mostly cover their agenda Bolshevik Bernie was honest Ao see was honest and even to a certain extent, Biden was honest because he brought them all in their part of his team. So but and then of course, no talk of American greatness exceptionalism is that going to be the most glaring differences this week versus last no doubt Sean this'll be a celebration of America this week and last week it felt like a very depressing indictment of the. Greatest country to exist in the history of the world, I, think Americans have already been kind of maxed out of how they just maxed out of the negativity I. Mean it's been a tough six or seven months in our country and I think the Republicans and president trump have an amazing opportunity to communicate the exceptionalism and the greatness that we have in this country and I also think it's really interesting what you mentioned because the Democrats are stumbling over their own message just. Recently. Over the weekend President Obama said to a reporter I think from the New Yorker that there really is no policy difference between Joe Biden and Bernie Sanders that they're actually the same when it comes to policy That is a huge difference from some of the Convention messaging that we saw last week where kind of they a lot of former Republicans were trying to say Oh Gopher Joe Biden is really a moderate Democrat when in reality we know that he is. Nothing more than a puppet for the most radical elements of the Democrat Party. Well, I think that is I mean that's the so that that's a little secret here. Number one we will ignore that he has We'll. We'll fake people in the believing in the strength and the stamina mental acuity and alertness me read through the whole speech for fifteen minutes of it. The shortest ever and but he he got through what are you talking about look how he is? You know we already have all the tapes that show the opposite. he's done what he's thirty four questions leading into last night's interview president thousands of questions. Every day is out there answering questions giving information. So the question is, can a ghost win a ghost to surrounded himself and has a stated agenda of radical socialism I argue charlie the most extreme ticket in terms of positions of a major party in history. That's exactly right and you also have the base of the party that is basically bragging that they are going to be able to manipulate Joe Biden to do all of their policy wishes Senator Elizabeth Warren, and many others including the radical communist Angela Davis came and said that a week and a half ago we said, well, we're gonNA vote for Joe Biden because we know that we. Can Use as a vessel to put forward are radical agenda, and this is everything from energy independence to firearm. Second. Amendment religious liberty and freedom freedom of speech the judges, Joe? Biden. Still hasn't said that he'll appoint to the Supreme Court if he wins and yeah that that that's really what this election is. All about can someone who doesn't campaign just merely barely exists as a political candidate. Can He win and I'm not betting on that I think that the person who was bold and courageous active and is traveling the country communicating clearly and confidently to the American people. I, think that that person is much more likely to win. I. Think that the president's numbers are trending in the right direction and I believe that if this convention is what I've been told it is. And you know based on my small role in it, I believe that this will be a celebration of this country something that middle class midwestern voters have really been looking for and the Democrats missed a huge opportunity last week and I think that the president's GonNa really succeed favorably politically because of how he communicates to the American. People this all right Charlie Kirk PRESIDENT TURNING-POINT USA Great Opportunity Feet. Tonight, we will be watching number one number two. Thank you for very courageously going into very hostile environments and spreading the word that socialism isn't the answer and look at listen. It's a risk for any conservative outspoken conservative on any college campus I never thought that would happen in America but it's a very important work you're doing and we wish you the best and we admire your courage. Thank you for being with us. Thank you, God. Bless you. Practice we continue you know these are amazing times where we're looking at what are we see last week and we're going to get to your calls. We have a quick update though our friend from Project Veritas James O'Keefe has now taken a case to the courts. In Oregon, we're going to find out what this is all about. Then we're GONNA get to your calls in the next half hour the most amazing thing last week the riots it's like they don't exist oh our. Own is must be deceiving us they talk about in. You know it's all hate and rage trump was not moment that I can think of that was uplifting inspiring talking about American goodness greatness exceptionalism about what they're gonNa do well this week. You'RE GONNA get a lot of talk about American greatness in American exceptionalism real specific information on jobs and Cova and ending reliance on China and healthcare and education, and protecting our borders cleaning the swamp and innovation for the future. Wow. So we're going to watch. All of this and telly honoring the great American story as told by Great Americans pretty cool anyway. So our coverage begins tonight as I come on the air at nine eastern we hope you'll say a DVR. We'll take a quick break James, O'Keefe your calls eight, hundred, nine, four, one, Sean. If you want to be a part of the program Hannity Dot, Amazon Dot COM bookstores everywhere Amazon forty percent off live free or Die America and the world on the brink you decide and seventy one. Days live free or Die American the world on the brink twenty five. Now til the top of the hour. We'll get to your calls here in just a second eight, hundred, nine, four, one, Sean, the RMC officially kicks off. As soon as you see my face at nine eastern on the Fox News Channel day one with actual real actual agenda. Am Real Truth talk talked about American. Greatness goodness safety real plans of free market plans for healthcare and energy and border security in you name it. Pretty much the opposite of everything last week our friends at Project Veritas. And then of course, is the CEO and founder that would be James. O'Keefe is now taking a course to a case to the courts. As it relates to socialist Utopian ONA's Oregon and they made a first amendment history when they in the state of Massachusetts. Now, the doing it in Oregon and they're suing the state of Oregon tomorrow to remove the unconstitutional law criminalizing the kind of corruption exposing journalism, which is critical that was freedom of the press isn't it especially right now because Oregon is now standing at odds with the majority of states. In the country and with decades a supreme court rulings, they're challenging the Oregon's undercover journalism ban that's found in specifically section one, sixty, five, five, forty which names the a local district attorney in. And others. As two of the defendants anyway here to explain the soup because it's critical is James O'Keefe himself. Sir, how are you? I'm interested in what this is about because you won the last time. Thank you Sean I'm actually in Portland Right. Now outside the lucky you press conference. So there's Antifa I'm actually in a car right now but there's Antifa that surrounded us and we fought a loss at here in Portland to overturn Roe the Anti Recording Law. It's prohibited for us to use hidden cameras in the state of Oregon and of course that's what we. Do in order to expose these people, they can't know that they're being recorded. So Oregon has a law that says you have to inform someone if you're going to record them, we think that's unconstitutional. So this morning we filed a lawsuit in Portland Oregon we actually walked into the courthouse US marshal. Let us in and we sued the district attorney here Michael Schmidt. And Sean we did successfully overturned the Massachusetts Law and now we can work there. So we've we've been on a on a roll with all these lawsuits that we win, and we think this is a no brainer that Oregon should allow project Veritas to go into these riots and protests undercover record for, and that's why we're here and we think we're going to be successful. sounds like a great suit. Okay. The process how long does it take anything in the court's seems to go on in perpetuity doesn't it? Well, it took us about three three years in Massachusetts and we were were very successful I mean it took us it took us a while. I actually sued the FBI Sean two weeks ago because they put me on an illicit felons list and that was judy created in one week. So we think this is an open shut case. We think that there are twelve states or so that that make the you, you cannot record someone unless there's an. Expectation of privacy and we think these laws basically indemnify the guilty they are set up to protect fraud and corruption. So we took US three years in in in Massachusetts or doing this in Oregon where we also intend to do it in Maryland. We you know maybe it'll go to the Supreme Court, but but we think that undercover journalism right now is really really important Sean. We got investigators in in in different states exposing ballot harvesting, voter, fraud riots violence. There's no. There's no such thing as the press anymore. So Project Veritas is one of the only organizations in the country actually trying to find out what's going on. We just can't work in the state of Oregon and the process is we filed this complaint sued the District Attorney and and It's GonNa go through a process for a year or two to to get this overturn. Yeah look keep us up to date. I. Just wanted to mention that this is happening this. This hopefully will become another landmark case because you know it's amazing when the media mob when they print all the false information, they're false cover you work is exposed no problem project Veritas does it it's always you know an army lawyers and you haven't lost case by my count. Have you. Yeah. Project Veritas not lost a lawsuit. We've one eighth straight loss in fact most recently people that sued us for recording them they have had to pay us. A hundred thousand dollars in fees because the truth is Sean like what we stand for is so fundamental just first. Ability, to. Record someone when you're in a conversation with them is so fundamentally tied your ability to speak to the first amendment. Here it goes back to principles of the American founding and even before that cicero about the ability to to tell people what you see and in Massachusetts that was considered such a fundamental human, right the federal judge that is much and shall we got some big stories coming out in early September the President says there's Evidence of mail fraud ballot harvesting, we've got the evidence we're we're gathering that evidence and it's because of hidden camera in places like North Carolina, and Minnesota, and these other places that were operating. So they tuned America because Veritas tips at Proton Nail Dot COM meritas, tips at Proton. Now, if you are an inside whistle blower, you want to get equipped. We are going to help you tell these stories because there's no one else to tell them. Right James O'Keefe so much. Thanks for keeping. US updated. Good luck. If you're in Portland I'd stay very safe I. Hope You have a lot of people around you because it's getting a little nuts out there every second of the day. All right. Thank you. Eight hundred, nine, four, one, SEAN RNC starts Justice Hannity goes on the Air Nine Eastern. We've got great things plan for the rest of the week. That's all I can say right now I, wish I could say more I can't. All right. Let's go to the ever important swing state of Florida, which is critical and seventy one days. It's always critical on election day and Jim is standing by Jim. Hi How are you? Glad you called. Sean those Jim Hey You know the thing is. Go back for years ago and uh to where we were with the RMC Convention for years ago when trump was nominated. I'm a big Ted Cruz Fan. I was big ten Ted Cruz supporter at the time and I what I would like to see is that. This the RNC come to heal you don't because at that time it wasn't very pretty between Ted Cruz importers trump's supporters since that time I think the majority I speak for the majority of Ted Cruz supporters there say trump is far gone beyond our expectations as far as holding up a conservative values and and doing what we expected Ted Cruz to do in the office and we expect him take crews at some future date possibly to be president and to do the same. But at this time, it's a style trump's. Period, and we need him in office going forward to beat this the left us back and so what I'd love to see is during the RNC convention that Ted. Cruz, and his beautiful wife Heidi Come out and support the trump and his deal the conservative agenda going forward and We have to be one we have to be Consolidated. Going forward. To beat back to the left that were confronted with with the by listen I've always liked Ted Cruz and and I know the ted I mean he had a very contentious and which is often the case battle with the President in two, thousand, fifteen and sixteen. but Ted Cruz has been A. Ted has taken into another gear both is approach his his relationship with the president is standing on all of those conservative principles that he's always shared, and you know what? It really has to be that way Republicans and not like the Democrats Republicans they splinter Republicans they have intramural fighting Republicans don't always unite and it's so frustrating because you notice Democrats in the medium out they never lose their lockstep. They speak with one voice and that is hey trump not the the riots don't exist. Let's US covert in the sense of political sense Joe. What would you do differently everything he mentions is exactly what Donald Trump has done and the task force has done. Now knowing new thing is we're GONNA shut down the economy again. it's all hands on deck to me Jim, I think it's all on the line. Is Why wrote live free or Die America in the world on the brink, and you're the ultimate jury and it's only seventy one short days it is going to fly by mark. My words another swing state Brian in Pennsylvania. Brian you're on the Sean Hannity show to the people in your state know that Comma Harris Joe Biden, their stated agenda to ban fracking. They have any idea, the dramatic financial economic impact loss of job impact. It would. It would take it in terms of the. Toll Pennsylvania. Oh. You know what? Song where lives in a lot of businesses around here right now and I don't think that's going to go over well. With the voters here in Pennsylvania. I'm one of those businesses who about shut their doors. I. Don't know how. I'M GONNA feed my family. Let alone keep the doors open in the next couple of months. especially, if buying gets elected. if we know that this this melon voting. Is a way to undermine our election and suppress the voters voiced how how we? How do we stop that? What's the PRI-? What's what's the prognosis of this? You know how do we go about stopping this? If they know that it's a way to undermine this election Well I mean. It's everything that we can do I mean A. Lot of these decisions made on the state level but this lie that is being told by both the media remember that they're taking this now as the new conspiracy theory, what they did to the postmaster general last week what they did, what two weeks earlier to the Attorney General. it's it's like they're setting up next Russia Russia and why why were they willing to withhold funds the first time what we really needed covert relief? The most never mind this most recent time it always comes down, we want open borders and we want to change the voting laws. Well, they know this negligible voting fraud, they lie you know I I've chronicle one, thousand eight proven instances of voter fraud nine, hundred and forty-nine criminal convictions voter fraud. I've given specific examples of voter fraud even Malin voting fraud and the idea that anyone would want anything less than a free fair election. Shouldn't that should be everything every American unites on. If I was at the DNC last week, I got all these many years I've been on TV I guarantee you. I would need a picture ID to get in the building where in Milwaukee, where they had originally planned on having this, I would not get in the door without that. But yet, you don't need the same checks and balances for voting. We already know what they did to impact the two thousand sixteen. We already know they stay protected Hillary Clinton from being indicted. We already know that they ignored her dirty Russian dossier actually used the phony Russian misinformation spy on a candidate Donald Trump. I don't trust any of them and I don't trust the mob in the media to tell the truth either. How the people in your state do they understand the impact of a Joe Biden presidency? Yeah absolutely. Everybody and I live close to one of the plants. The president trump visited not too long ago and the people that migrated up from not only different states in the Pennsylvania. But the people who have have lived here who are season she's in Pennsylvanians, they know. They know that Biden presidency would ruin this economy here in in in this not only this county, this state. So everyone that I've spoken to they're they're very optimistic. But. Yeah. If you go down the street, you see trump pants, signs all throughout the place well I. You know look what happened in Scranton all the people on the side of the road that were on the streets for Donald Trump, right? I saw that and he only lived there four years, right? That's what his hometown. Yeah. Exactly. How many decades gone you know my father said, Joey's been saying the joey story fifty years, anyway. Thanks for good call. Appreciate it with counting on US seventy one short days and we're going to be relying and paying very close attention to the Pennsylvania call on election night where the people in Pennsylvania, you're the ultimate ultimate jury same Florida. Same with Wisconsin Michigan. Minnesota Wisconsin same with Arizona. And equally. Important Iowa Ohio. Equally. Important. Georgia North Carolina New Hampshire. The Congressional district number two in Maine. It's every votes going to matter here. You can see that they want every advantage possible. Right, that's GONNA. Wrap things up for today as always. Thank you for being with us livery or die American the world on the brink. For making it number one, Amazon Dot Com forty percent off Hannity Dot Com Hannity, tonight as we come on the air, the R. N. C. J. 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Mindfully & Mentally Sexy: A Mash-Up

Sex With Emily

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Mindfully & Mentally Sexy: A Mash-Up

"Thanks for listening to sex with emily. I'm Doctor Emily and today's show I'm giving you mash up of interviews to give you some ways to de stress have more sex and just feel a little better mentally and physically really want you all to have the tools to keep your mind strong so your body can stay strong. We all need this right now. Topics include why. Meditation can help you be a better partner and lover in out of the Bedroom House setting intentions for your sex. Life can help immensely when it comes to actually improving it. The ways being mindful and connecting to your senses can pull you out of your head and into your body to enjoy pleasure to the fullest and how cultivating energy can be be a happier and healthier lover all this and more. Thanks for listening. So how often has is having to you. You just got done with US sweaty. How round sex. And now you gotTa Clean Up. So what do you use like? Where do you go? Especially if it's really messy drippy? 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Three podcasts a week in addition to doing a lot of live instagram lies facebook lives and youtube. And all the places to be here for you answer the questions you need about communication commitment connection Now more than ever. Okay guys we got you. You can also send your questions to feedback at sex with Emily Dot Com all right intentions for the show each show. I'm going to send intention and asked me to do the same. And what do you mean is like right? Now when you're listening. What do you want to get out of listening to this episode? It could be wow with. Everything's going on right now. It hasn't really stressed out and I just WanNa know ways to relieve it and That could be it. Might intention is to give you easy tools. You can actually do at home to keep your mind healthy as well as your body because hey the less stress we have the more time we have for pleasure and every thing else all right. Enjoy the show. I'm really excited for my guest today. She's awesome she. She's become a really good friend. She's one of these like love at first sight friendships when we met. And she's had a really interesting career and she's also doing something that is very very close to my heart and I think you guys are GonNa Learn a lot today about meditation a practice that you guys know. I talk about but we're going to get this how it can really help you with your life overall indefinitely your sex life and your relationships so tile is a former entertainment industry executive very high powered woman running a lot of stuff at a very young age. She's super driven and smart and hilarious. Oh well you're very sweet and kind. I used to work at NBC. Iran comedy there. I was at Sony for a while I was at the WB. Anyone remembers that. It's like a relic now remember the WB of course and you were so stressful. Taipei working really hard doing things or probably way beyond what people were doing at your age at the time and even then you're just as smart. I was really lucky. I I got my first executive job very early and I was lucky. I always worked with great people which I think helped me because it's true. Those are high stressful jobs and they're just high volume more than anything. I think it's changed a little bit now just because there's so many outlets but the volume was insane. So you're just waking up and like reading scripts and working and you go to bed. Do I mean it was? Just you know twenty four hours a day seven days a week high. So how did you learn to love yourself more through meditation? And how is it? How can help others learn to? I mean people are new to it for me was more not so much. Learning love myself is more. I think forgiveness for certain things and acceptance. I was also going through a really tough time when I started meditating I was going through a divorce. The job was hard so I think for me. It was a grappling with a lot of that stuff and I think it was really helpful in I was being myself up a lot and I think it was very helpful in getting me through that and learning exactly why I made certain decisions when I needed what I wanted because I was really trying to figure out so I wanna stay in this relationship. Do I want to go? And that's a hard decision. Yeah Especially when you're in your mid thirty. S. I want kids? Why not so? It was really helped me gain clarity. Let's go back to when you said you were really hard on yourself which I think. A lot of us can relate to the nagging voice in our head. Beats Ourselves Why this or that? The thing that I found to the more consistent I am with it like you rise. Just your thoughts and it's about going back to you in the moment and you kind of just then you can come out of it with clarity. I think one of the best Results of meditation or benefits is your ability to realize emotions are just emotions and thoughts are just thoughts now. We all have them. They don't go away just because you meditate doesn't mean disappear but they don't control you and the problem is a lot of people they do control them. They've a bad day or something bad happens. I mean you almost WANNA be around the season and it shouldn't be like that like bad shit happens. Good things happen you know you. Bad thoughts have been great. Thoughts happened but they are just thoughts and the informed. What's happening but they should inform who you are core and I think that is one of the most amazing benefits and again it goes back to. You know who you truly are not about. What's happening around you? So how would you describe meditation to someone? Who's like okay? Emily talking about it or they're skeptical like what's a good they can't come to. La Angled the amazing Dan Mission. Yup I think it should be everywhere in the country one diet world. I think it will be maybe an APP to Hukou that be. Why would you describe it to someone the benefits? And then maybe what they can do. I would say the benefits are. We just heard a lot of benefits are words. Like how would you just look if you're skeptical? This what I tell people. Really Skeptical Mike. Okay at the very least you have like five minutes of relaxation or five minutes to yourself. Especially let's say because you were saying if a woman comes in and she's nervous it's like if you're a busy person and you just take five minutes to shut down even if you feel like. You're not meditating or it's quote unquote not working. You're still when in today's Day and age. You sit somewhere for five ten fifteen twenty. Whatever time you're listening for yourself to actually sit somewhere and not do anything but without your stories to tell myself 'cause I really struggled in the beginning again going through a divorce. I had all these things in my head. I had a whole department. I was running. My brain was like nonstop and sometimes those twenty minutes were misery right and I was like well. What was the point. I didn't get anything out of this. Except leg mulling over on my problems and what I would say to myself is. I just sat somewhere for twenty minutes and they didn't check email and I didn't read and I was with myself. I was breathing so even at the very least even though that didn't feel very good like I just gave myself a guy exactly. That's what I would tell someone who's skeptical is at the very least. That's what you're doing at the very least. You're not with your phone and your breathing and if you start with that and the more you do it because I think you're easy on yourself then. I bet you'll actually get more open and then you'll start to actually see some of the other benefits. I and and it takes a little bit time. Yes absolutely like exercise and it's so true that there are so many times we're like what's the point. I had thirty seconds. Maybe where I was just breathing and not my thoughts but that and when I did my. Tm practice transcendental meditation. I love that it was so like. That's cool go back to your thoughts when you can have your mind races the whole time. It gives you the permission to just like it's okay even view it for ten minutes like you tried. Look whatever you can is going to help you and just like calming your body down in your nervous system. Down is a huge gift and yet tm is a perfect example. And honestly you know we call it like anchor base meditation any meditation and by the way. Breathing is one counting. Sometimes it staring at something just if you want to breathe and count at the same time that gives your mind something to focus on and then allows you to kind of drifts. Which is why a mantra can work mantras work and so therefore in sweat what you were saying when your mind than starts going to do list or whatever it's okay okay had those thoughts and then you just go back and start over again and before you know it. You'll have longer times of counting before you know there'll be moments. We don't know what happened. Nothing happened exactly. And then you go back to counting againt breathing or your mantra or whatever it is that's working for you. I felt like the first time I did it. That it was like this amazing tool that you learn that your mind is like a wild animal in the jungle and that it's totally in control. Unless we learn to control that I'm reacting to my mind and that I realized how hard it was. I said I'm hearing this Meditation Retreats Like Twenty Years Ago and my only job is to focus my breath. That's have to a custom that's it. There's nothing else but to sit and breathe and focus and it was so hard and I beat myself up at created stories that everyone else was good meditation and then realize well 'cause like I do I love it. You're living like oh my gosh. She's moved I was itching scratching. I wasn't supposed to move she is. We're looking around but then you realize that is the practice the practice within the practice and it's just Just the discipline too. But Yeah it's and there is no competition and like you said some days bad but it really to have that time of like you said no cooking no breathing. It's hard for us because we're out of practice. When do we do that? Never I mean since you were a baby baby baby. You've stopped doing that. We've just like we filtering so much stuff especially today with like the Internet and all right. When do we ever turn our phone no you never? I mean I actually my niece just about ms thirteen and like one of the piece of advice I gave her was like one time from this point on and the rest of your life when you go to meet your friends turn your phone down like just turn it over and actually just sit there and see what happens and I was like at the fact that I actually gave that as a piece of advice to just feel like you'll be surprised. Don't stare at your phone while you're at a bar weighing or at a party like whatever day just like talk about being in the moment not in the moment. Our phones takes auto the moment. So how has meditation help with your relationship because your relationship? Now I'm married. Mary boyfriend like we do the whole thing. I think it's funny because I would say what we were talking about. Before as far as not letting her motions takeover. I think it really helps you with your reactions as well so the ability to like step back and see things clearly especially in. This relationship has been very helpful for my boyfriend's amazing but he has grown a lot emotionally and I think the patients that not that I'm perfect by the way but what about the same made it seem like survey but I gotta say but I mean I've had issues too but I would say I think the patients I've had in the relationship. A lot of it is because I meditate and I've had the ability to kind of step back and look at certain moments and be like. Yeah that might have been shitty but I know this is what's really going on or that reaction curbing because I can be so pissy and I can get really angry too and I feel like it helps me curb that a little bit too and like the older like step back and that's huge and what does that it allows you to communicate better exactly it. Does he matching he is? He's starting to you know it's funny. He's never been a big meditative and it drives me crazy. Because when he does come into the Dan and Meditate. He falls in so quickly. And I'm like you don't know how it is such a struggle for people and you get like that up there. I think that's part of his journey. And there's a lot of power meditating together like as a couple. It's funny we haven't done it yet and I tried once and No I actually think for us. It's going to be huge. I feel like it's actually a next step. He's been doing a lot of work in other ways and I feel like it's our next step together then. I'm actually really excited about it. Talked about the power of Meta Group. How strong it is. Which is what you provided. The I think it's great. I mean I think for some people that I know it needs to be absolutely silent. So hearing someone fidget or breathe relate throws them off. But that's also part of your practice. You need to learn to not get thrown off by thing. There isn't entertaining. Make me feel like I meant. I know that's not the most boring show ever so there is something about being in a group ever even like when you go to a concert and you hear the music and everyone's singing at the same time and there's that energy it's the same thing but a much quieter version. So it's like everyone is putting this power in this energy into going to like a source. I mean it's sounding very religious now but I don't mean a to whether it be themselves or something and that energy is contagious and you feed off of each other and there is a feeling that you have while meditating with others that you don't always get and when I do find that sometimes the ability to go into a really deep. Meditation is actually helpful in a group which is crazy because sometimes you're very distracted now. I feel the same way I think just that energy alone. That's vibrating around. You actually helps you. Yeah I think so Okay I read a quote from you know in this kind of applies to relationships so you had. What could I have done differently? Why do I feel like I'm in this position? What part I play unless you say there's always something to learn and learn the lessons. The struggle doesn't feel like a struggle. It feels like a speed bump. I said that I thought it was but I think that we all struggle with so many things. I'm wondering like do. Does that help you in your like? I know that you think like begin. All look at things that are hard and I think and see. The positive is helping your relationship. How else yeah. We have a big philosophy. Like you were just saying of positivity and attitude and how you look at something and I think changes and I used to struggle because I I had a friend who were no longer friends and there was a lot of negativity around it and this is a long time ago and I felt guilty for having good things in my life because she was just always so angry about everything and in the way she would twist it was as if like everything was lucky now by the way. I'm a very lucky human being so not going to say. I'm not but I started realized as I got older and looking at people and how they react and I've realized a lot of depressed people or people that are set are very angry at happy people. It's so true. And they're angry at happy people because they think life is easy for them and I know a lot of happy people were. Life isn't so easy for them. It's just their choice of how they attack choice in every mom and how they look at it and it was that moment where it's like. Maybe you wouldn't be so sad and depressed. You would switch the way you look at stuff because I mean you can meet. Some people are some gnarly shit has happened to them and they're actually happy they don't have stuff to work through and it's just fascinating and so that attitude. I think that's part of it too. Were ANYTHING THAT HAPPENS. Any obstacle in your life that happens to you. It can be just a speed bump it. Can this be that little thing? That happened that from anything. That's huge too small. It's all your perspective on how you want to take and again I think that goes accepting yourself and loving yourself and I mean we all fuck up. We all make mistakes and nobody is free of that with your shit. That is my mistake. I I say mommy main mistake. Daily to my child's daily and I was like oops Mommy and fucked up so I want to. It's really hard not to curse. Yeah and I always say like mommy mistake so often with her because I want her to know like it's really okay to make mistakes and it's not a big deal and just move on. Let's fix it. Let's and I do make mistakes all the time. Whether they're tiny big do you think? She's like drinking when she was eighteen to starry Mommy. Stay maybe totally backfire. Because I think that there is a certain perfectionism that's kind of a plague for a lot of people like their whole life to be perfect and to say like no mistake perfect and because she's awesome the wife as like mommy wine. I'm like I made a mistake. Rate Why am I turn around the block because the wrong place exactly? So we talked about meditation relationship. What about sex? I mean I think for similar reasons that we talked about the relationship. I think it teaches you to be more present and know yourself better and I think the more you know yourself and your likes and your dislikes to be very basic. It helps you and also I things you've taught me. I mean just being present and breathing and making sure that you can remember the moment and be exactly where you are versus thinking about the million things that are actually probably WanNa be thinking about or is it like on the back of your head so and I joke as you have really actually taught me a lot. You and I've had so many conversations about this but I do think really helpful with sex in that sense too. I think the more you present with yourself the more. Your senses are heightened by. I think the more you know what you want and what you need and again I think the more you know how to communicate so you can actually communicate what you want and what you need again. It just makes it better or does I. I love that. You say that because we were talking about this how. I told you once I just debris drinks almond meditation. Obvious I'm telling you to all the time James Rooker for three years. Jamie got home. Like she's heard me say it but there are these moments where. I think it was a few weeks ago. She's like oh I went home and I remember it. I was having even though she's immersed in sections like and I breathed and most incredible right. That's what happened to me. We were at dinner and we were talking about it and you told me and I went home and I was like how do I not know I mean I meditate in the middle of it I was like I was thinking about you know and I just like literally? I think it was like three deep breaths and I was like oh I was so fast. That's what was so crazy about auto body just reacted and maybe it is. Because I'm a meditators connect quick but that's but it was there you go. There is another benefit. The more you do it the faster you'll do. It hasn't because I think a lot of sexual things we will start with because they are in their mind. They're in their head and at the same to even though on the sex expert I I served my mind problem. Yeah we'll most so you know it's funny. I would say that that of la the questions. We get the biggest challenge when people have like tech like the CAN ORGASM. Men and women during sex is because they are distracted. They're thinking about the to do list or they get out. What hasn't happened. What could happen what happened? Last time I couldn't orgasm will be able to and the easiest way to get out of that is to say okay. That's great those are the thoughts and then what's happening. I'm breathing right now. Would I feel what is I partner feeling inside of me if you can just remember to do that? Even if it's a hundred times during sex do you think men take it personally. Women struggle with organism. I do I think I know women take it personally and Oh yes yeah. Absolutely I think that a lot of men thank is should be the master of the universe. If she doesn't orgasm it's like it's my fault and so I think a lot of times. It might be if no truth is a lot of times. It's our fault because we are not communicating our needs to our partners officially so I think I used to. When I was younger I would blame apartment. I can't believe I didn't orgasm but I never even orgasm on my own but I thought the men at the magic keys to make me orgasm but yes if we're just talking surfers men pretty much every time you have sex now that you have all these tools. I can pretty much every time but not like I have different degrees. Different degrees of like syms can have threes and I was like you know threat once. Yeah well hey that's practice to. I can't wait to hear this interview. I did with Dave asprey earlier this week. You may be familiar with his name or his bulletproof brand or one of his New York Times bestselling books like headstrong. So I'm it Dave when I was co hosting love line fears back. And he was a guest on the show and we've stayed in touch as I've been on his bullet-proof radio podcast and I become a huge fan of his work. Perhaps because we're both clearly on the same page about helping people be the best versions of themselves. I love how you marry science energy and his exploration of the human race to demonstrate. How changing your environment from the inside out will allow you to have full control of your biology and reach a state of high sexual performance. So Dave is his own Guinea pig as he works to develop his work around biohacking and the Michigan behind it. You know I also love talking about sex hacks which is like a close cousin to biohacking. You know like ways to make your orgasm stronger to enhance intimacy and to strengthen your mind body connection per really taking control of your environment and something within yourself. My conversation with Dave fuses science sacks and experimentation in a digestible and truly eye opening way that can help sparks of new ways of approaching your sex life. So I'm married. I have two young kids. Anyone who's married with two young kids knows you generally don't have very much so in light of kids are like an anti sex thing and what ended up happening was especially when I was doing the thirty day experiments by the way that publishing the data. It's got embarrassing like day. Twenty four oops guide to start over like someone day. Twenty four right but but over time now. Is it still something? That's become part of your your life like you still think about. It is another resource in your body global. Say I Joni Jackie late unconsciously doesn't I wouldn't if I just flew to New York in back in you know thirty six hours to be on the doctor show or something which happened. I'm not gonNA come back and then you know have sex because I missed my wife Jackie late because I already took enough of it. I traveled across the country twice. I was in an airplane. I breathed that air. Like I'm tired right so when I met full power and Avenue Jacket while Jack late but will I have sex? Y'All have sex but then sex becomes less about getting through Jack. Listen more about like having fun and was that raises oxytocin which is like the love hormone and the benefit for women in this deal is while the Dow Studies in lots of other studies. Show that women have regular orgasms like your emotional intelligent goes up your oxytocin levels. Go Up and it's generally biologically really healthy for women to have regular orgasms. Now guys in this kind of practice can have orgasms. If you can figure out how to have an orgasm without ejaculate thing I find that to be are challenging thing to do but what I also found to be like off the charts not even like putting words to it the thing about having any for an hour less or having oriented powerless. Your full body right. Yeah like I. I don't know how it's possible like start a stop. Watch if you'RE GONNA do that it's coming. Let me start exactly but like after I can tell you at least like fifteen twenty minutes Kinda Kinda Times where unlike completely you know. You're not a jacket in the whole time that would be destructive but essentially like like. My abs hurt on. Could I just be done like I just need to stop and in growing a six pack from the intensity of of an orgasm day six pack? You're like it's the orgasm like that's all you gotta do nowadays. That would help you. Maybe field in other in other transient audiences. Meissner program. Say Emily you've got six pack orgasms. I there's a hole fifteen minutes or less but we're talking about because we don't talk we don't you don't guys don't talk about anything. So what would they do talk about? Email me all my listeners. Fifty percent men fifty percent women but a lot of the questions I get asked which is why love that. You're here and I wanted to bring you on because all the work that you do around biohacking and being the best performer. In every area of Your Life. How do we become the best sexual performers and so? There's a lot of things I talk about when I can't ejaculate or I can't say harder too hard I have no sex driver low libido and always say get checked by your doctor our new certain medications and I just feel like that's so limited especially knowing what we know now and blending eastern and Western and supplements everything that you do what you've done with bulletproof and what you're doing now so I would love to kind of to biohacking kind of get into how that can help. People be best performers sexually awesome. Biohacking is a field that I helped to create kind of build. A community around is become a movement and the original definition from that first. Info-graphic was the art and science of changing the environment around. You and inside of you so that you have full control of your own biology now from a sex perspective. Let's see do you want to be able to get it up when you WANNA be able to get it up? That would be control of your own biology. Do you WANNA be able to not ejaculate too quickly. That's control of your own biology. In that same body of knowledge the same techniques can be. I WANNA get swale or I WANNA have a ton of energy. I WanNa pull an all nighter and perform open heart surgery or whatever it totally dependent to come from a commute and be with my family. All of those are control of our energy of our own biology and techniques are always the same and the two big things that apply to. Sex are make sure that the hardware. The energy production in the body is working. I mentioned these Little Mitochondria. That are worried about dying sexy for it matters yet. Right like all the things that happen. Both for the woman and the man in insects or for women and men insects Woman a man but those things are all driven by electrons in the body like where powered by the same things that power iphones. We just happened to instead of plug into the wall. We eat food. And we breathe. And then we combine those. But if you suck at combining food and air instead of getting like the erections or the other kinds of stimulation that you want all these electrons that should have gone to your performance in bed in the boardroom. In wherever else you're executing in your life they can go to inflammation you get muffin top and you can get brain inflammation and you're tired. You're cranky so if you can do something in your diet on your lifestyle to turn down. Inflammation turn up energy production. You can put that energy to work in the bedroom and then all of a sudden wow I've got a ton of because I feel really good like this is a really energetic lovemaking session. I was able to provide more pleasure from my partner like I had a better time. And maybe I had more self control and I was able to go for forty five minutes and at the end of this. The ultimate act of Willpower for guys saying even though every fiber in my being is screaming at me to Jack Late. I'm just not going to do it because I know that. All that screaming is GonNa go back into me. And I'M GONNA use that energy for something else. There's masses of energy that we expend this way kind of unconsciously as guys and I'm not saying don't have sex and I'm not saying don't be intimate. I'm saying if you can get to that and be like all right like this is even harder than skipping a meal. Hey we're doing an intense workout. I'm just to take a deep breath and I'm just going to say no. I'm not going to do it in this moment. You're going to go into it. There's practices right. Do you want to shortcut to praise? Yes hack sex for me. Do it for everyone okay. So if it's up to you whether or not you're going to Jack late and your guy there will. There will come a voice in your head and this is the voice of your. Mitochondria screaming at you. You'll at the beginning of of lovemaking you'll say all right. I'm not GonNa Jack Late Today. And by the time you're getting close you will have created a thousand reasons why it's such a good idea to Jack. They right now and you believe every one of them because that's the way why this is how our biology gets gets inside. Our head is part of what's inside her head. It'll make you know just this once I'll start tomorrow fan. Yeah exactly so. If you're in charge you're probably going to make bad decisions on the time so I do as you ask your partner. Hey I'm trying this thing out and so I want you to decide. I'm going to or not right and as soon as you take yourself out of the decision loop so it's no longer your decision. It becomes fantastically easy to make the decision. Because there's no decision to make right and of course some partners are gonna like that more than others women fate because you have accountability. Then right you're trying to do this thing. Can you help me and support me in this can happen? You can say yes so it's not like just tell me no you decide and then you don't have to decide and they'd be like. I think it's a good idea but your partner is going to be no except I've talked to a lot of couples mightily oppressing about this for a lot of women. A lot of women are sort of raised. Like it's it's your job to be responsible for your partner's pleasure in their orgasm so it can be really intimidating for women to be in that position and inspect But if I say no am I a bad person and this is in the logical that this is what APP. It's so important to get this because it's it is true that we we don't women are. I was hoping this has changed because the way I was raised and where I got into this was it was about pleasing. The man's sex was not about my pleasure at all it was. I felt successful if he orgasm had a good time. And that would therefore make me believe that. I had a good time but the way we're reversing also is that digs pressure of women's women can really get into their bodies by him by him not having to. Jackley understanding that mentality that it can still be great for both of you is a whole twist of their mind like it's completely different than what we've been taught still is completely different and I've had a lot of guys say like I would die if I did that. And like Vestich your Mitochondria talking. What's that they're telling the species would I? And that's not a true statement. How many times it takes you felt like it wasn't as bad. How many days in a row and then we are getting move on from this until you doing eight days at I was like it was really a challenge and doing thirty days was That's a couple tries because after like twenty days like what's going on but I can tell you my frequency of sex increases the longer I go without a leg so I was having a lot of sacks lots of oxytocin and I was like full of energy just like really full of energy and then it gets up. I'm like a finally elect thirty days like this is great. The surprising effect than for me was was that you fifteen twenty minute like whole body orgasm picking but that won't happen if you don't have enough enough energy in your body like if you're running on an empty fuel tank and that's why like the body of work that the lowest hanging fruit for for people of those three things that are holding us back is what am I. What am I going to do my next meal? That voice in your head. Let's shut that up because he was upset. When you're hungry like no one's GonNa tell you that now are anxious stress. Here's the other thing Dave is stress is one of the biggest killers are sex. Drive right couples are saying. I don't have sex because I'm too tired. I'm too stressed too. Anxious you know and I've talked about all these things you meditate. You relax medication. You're taking your talk to your doctor. But but let's talk about all of that. Like what can people do like to kind of get that energy? Because if you're not eating out that you're not in a good place with your body you're not going to be able to perform sexually if you can find a way to get key towns into your body and keystones happened when you fast for four days when you go on a very low carbohydrate high fat diet like the bulletproof diet was about how to do that right and has strongest about how to up regulate the mitochondrial function. There's an agreeable gothia called brain octane. That puts you in Ketosis. The reason you care about Ketosis is simply this. You can make energy from sugar or you can make energy from fat in were biological wired to do one or the other. If you use the brain octane you have energy from fat and energy from whatever sugars in your body now you have more energy and you can go into the bedroom and your brain works all the way and your body works all the way and you don't get like like dip so. I was tired now. You don't even have the copies. Put some brain octane on your dinner and you're like I have more energy afterwards. So it's just up regular energy and maybe you have some other meal. What whatever it is but this for me. It is just a reliable thing. I have more energy than it used to so number one added the energy number two. Let's turn off the stress and there's so many different stress management practices the one. That's probably most useful that that I found is called heart rate variability training and this takes a relatively cheap piece of equipment This is there's a clinical grade stuff that we do like at at bulletproof labs in Santa Monica where chess straps. And all. But the one. I'm talking about you. Bite on Amazon is called heart math. And You I've been advised of those guys like there's no financial relationship It's just something I use with my executive clients you clip it on your ear and you look at your phone and it tells you the spacing between heartbeat and you play this dumb. Little Kmart tells you breathe in breathe out and when you do it right. The light turns green on the phone. And when you do it wrong. Delight stays red. And it's showing you how to take your body out of a stress mode into something called Perez sympathetic mode or rest and reset mode so once you learn how to play the game. You don't need the phone anymore. So you're laying there in bed all right. I'm getting kind of close here and I've decided I'm not going to Jack late. So he do you. You just do that kind of breath and you do the thing that takes you out of fighter flight mode. Because I'm telling you right before you jack late. Your body's convinced the species will die again not ejaculate this turns that off so you're laying there like okay mic. Plus you breathe in breathe out and do the little thing you feel it in your chest but the game. Tcu This thing otherwise. You could do like a compassionate meditation for five years in a cave in London or something takes long. That's the shark attack so I was able to have way more control. They're just by getting control of that part of my nerves. Isn't that was trying to convince me that the world was GONNA end if I didn't ejaculate because that was not a true statement but I sure believed at the world's gotten a lot better since right right and so this is it. It's like breathing combined with consciously moving out of fighter flight through our very building and just having more energy in the first place because more energy goes to more willpower and headstrong which is A. I think one of my best books tiny listeners. Who Haven't heard headstrong headstrong talk about that. And you're very proud of all your work. Tell me think you headstone was about. How do you have more energy in in your brain and in your body because energy drives willpower? And if you WANNA talk about an example of when willpower matters most. It's in the bedroom like I'm not going to Jack late right now. That is one of the most extreme uses of willpower. At least as as a man that you can possibly have and so in order to up regulate that it's all about energy metabolism so I wrote this book saying. How do you have more willpower? What is the effective food and environment on Willpower? And I wrote it as an advice book. So here's the science because what to do and it hit the New York Times Science Bestseller List right next to like Homo Deus in sapiens. And all these other books that were like baller books. I was blown away because I'd never expected that to happen. But it's about one hundred thousand people read it. It's getting printed in multiple languages now. It's not about sex but it's about energy and sex is about energy and what. I'm just talking about here. What people understand is one of the ways you can double the amount of energy in your body is turn off hunger cravings and then. What if you could get control of that? I'M GONNA die if enough sex right now. All of a sudden like two thirds of the energy your body spends on survival goes back into the quality of your life. Okay now we're going to give a shout out to our sponsors. Thank you everyone for listening and supporting them supporting the show. 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Just go to better help dot com slash sex with emily. That's better help dot com slash sex with emily. Okay so I'm going to jump in. I'm excited for today's show because we almost had started the second she walked in. Because there's so much talk about so I'm just going to bring you have Dr John here. She's a sociologist and sexologist. Don't you think there's social powered writing things down and kind of taking inventory of the last year like I think a lot of us look at our successes or failures? Maybe we look at our relationships with family and work but sacks both agree people do not prioritize it or think about talk about enough. Some thinking people can break out of their routines. If there's one thing they've been wanting to try maybe they want to learn how to ask their partner for. There's one thing they've been dying to ask. They WANNA masturbate more. I want you to help me when you think about that too. Is there any suggestions you might have just to spark people's imaginations for some commitments? They could make for improvement around sex and it can be relationships as well like I have like. I no longer want to sue. Jackie enroll over. You know like maybe I wanted to put it in Jack Layton Rollover like maybe. I want more for play really. I want to. We want to take a trip together. We're of sex outdoors. We want to be studied entre and yeah well I love. I don't think people even realize they can set intentions about what it means to be a good lover and I think even to reflect. What does it mean to be a good lover and so like that would be even my starting point for folks that are like? I love this idea but I have no idea where to start until like take a holistic approach then so you know look at what do you think a good lover is physically mentally emotionally socially and spiritually whatever that means to you and like to take that holistic approach be like what is it to be because that that is what a good lover is is? It's not just a specific new technique. You learn it's like you know it's the energy that you're bringing to it and you're you're open minded an example so along those lines. We'll so along. Those lines would be the spiritual one. Yes so spiritual mom would be. I would say mindfulness. Because that's at the core of all work I do and I'm sure we'll be trying to ask like how do I be more present with my partner? Or how can I? I realize okay. I've been focusing on my pleasure too much. How do I make sure I'm being present with like the nuances of of what my how my partners responding and reacting and were on the flip side? Because I've heard this from some men and women like Oh my gosh. I'm so focused on their pleasure. A not even touch with my own pleasure. What's interesting dance isn't it? Has like a really big giver. And you're like I just want to make sure that I'm doing it right. Insure your he is happy but then we don't have to do both like how can we really in the moment because Texas really all about being present paying attention because your partner will give you all the information you need and if they don't you can ask but there's a lack of just really being during sex and breathing more and being mindful? I love it. I think even You getting in touch with your five senses if you realize that you're like okay. I'm in my head so much. I'm worried about performing and pleasing them or I'm worried about my own performance and so just even choose your sense of touch or choose your sense of smell and like anchor yourself in the moment with your five senses and be like okay. What are the sheets? Feel like what's my partner feeling. What's my partner smell like? What did they taste like? All of those things get out of our head and our you know our monkey mind that's constantly chattering or or worrying are anxious and gets US present in the moment with ourselves and what's showing up for us and our partner and that's good. Well it's so funny that you said that because I always looking at trends right and sex and the world was happening and then I look at trends in my life like what came up for me three times over Thanksgiving when I was with my friends right like I was with my friends in Mexico. And I'm telling you a few of my guys to the all separately like wounded. How do I get my mind off my to do list during sex? How do I get into the moment? I WANNA have sex with my husband and my partner but I can't in focus it. It was like okay so five people. Ask me how to this time. How do I focus and I always say? Is You at similar like really when your practice? It's the monkey mind. It's mindfulness in the moment. When you're like Oh but who's going to pick up dry cleaning? You're like what am I feeling how I feel like my pelvic floor is breathing into public. Flora penis fields amazing in hard. And I love what you just brought in about even like an because. Mindfulness is everything. It is all the senses so maybe there was a candle. This isn't the that you light your candle and I just put new sheets on the bed and I'm GONNA play my playlist. So maybe this is like a thick in this sex ritual. So if you're like. Emily can't you're like okay well? I could always latch onto the candle. I if I'm looking at the moment not for remembering to if I can't I body because I'm feeling anxious. Yeah okay but I do spell the Vanilla Candle. Yeah or I do remember that. I put clean sheets so then all the senses will follow. You know what I mean if you're like Oh and that playlist and then you're not thinking about the fact that you whatever gives you pounds there is look or your bellies. Looked orgasmic. GonNa come too fast or yeah. I love that. And that's like being really intentional about putting those sensual anchors in anchors and being like okay. This is hard. It is hard to not be distracted. It is hard to be mindful. Even when you're you're doing something that's but there's a million other things that are going on in our heads and with our fast paced of technology today like we're getting even more fragmented and it's even harder to stay present her short amount of time so just like I think it's important for folks not to blame themselves but to notice you're distracted and then have something specific that you choose to focus your attention back on and then don't judge yourself for exact green and that is the definition of mindfulness. This is a practice. So if you noticed that you had sex what you said. Dopey hard on yourself. It could take you fifty times during one session if you remember. That's amazing. We still won't do it but you still won't feel like you're totally present but that's the practice and eventually it's just twenty times that you're doing so yeah. I love that and you can bring amusement to it and just because I. I've been cultivating mindfulness for the past fourteen years. Now and so when I'm when I keep noticing that I'm distracted and I'm like Oh my God Gonzales. Doing that thing again kind of laugh and it was like that's what my brain does. And so it's like the opposite of beating myself up for it actually just having amusement for out. That's how my brain strained. I'm going to keep working on this to practice. Because we all have those voices in our head we all do. We don't realize that it's actually our voice. And that is the mindfulness as well that I do that. Some you know a lot. I'm always constantly going. You know and we slip a lot. But I'm like okay. The negative thought you gotTa send the the more like. Would you replace every thought with? That's the positive set out to the universe and so even in the moment though when you hear that voice it's not me you can learn to separate it which again takes years of can't take your the Observer I think Oh. This isn't the channel like I'm going to change the program and I think oh you. It's almost like a march and Netflix. I could change the better one and then I'm like. Oh let's turn on music. I want to introduce my guest. Emily Fletcher and Emily Fletcher. She has a book that came out. But we did it. Come out recently. February stress less accomplish more meditation for extraordinary performance. Debuted at number seven on all books of Amazon Emily. She founded ziva meditation. She's the leading expert in meditation. For extraordinary performance. Her work has been featured all over the place from the New York Times. The today show and I'm just really excited. Emily because feel like you have like the secret sauce like you have been successful. Actually getting people who think they're too busy they don't have enough time. They'll never be able to do it to actually meditate. You've a good track record. So tell me about meditation. So here's the trick to getting people to meditate who think they can't just have to sell it as a performance tool you just have to say. Hey here's this thing that's going to help you make more money and be better in bed and then people are like. Oh where do I sign up so we have to just let go of the robes and the INS and the finger cymbals and the preciousness and yes there's so much science around which will dive into but it's like why are people really doing anything it's usually to make more money or sex? You're absolutely right. Because you've worked with top performers and athletes and CEOS and top business leaders. And so you're saying that you re frame it as like this is going to help you like a hack like you're gonNA be a better performance. It's like you go business conference or you'd read books by by get business coach. This is going to do that. Because here's the thing. Stress is making a stupid sick. And slow it is slowing us down in the boardroom. As long as down in the bedroom. And so it's like there's a tool that could help you get rid of stress. Why would you not use it? Stresses not like cancer. Okay we have a solution for this epidemic. According to Harvard Medical School stresses responsible for ninety percent of all doctors visits. I believe that doctors are calling it the black plague of our century and it's making us feel more isolated. It's ruining our confidence and it can actually chemically affect us. I mean if women have too much cortisol they become incapable of orgasm if men have too much adrenaline. It affects their action. And so this isn't just like Oh. If you meditate you'll see each other shock rose. It's like no if you're too stressed you can't orgasm say that you can't orgasm and you'll make less money. Your work will suffer because it is true like I always say that stress and anxiety is the biggest killer of our sex drive but also I feel like there is an epidemic of of anxiety or people sharing it they've ings but it seemed like the whole goddamn world is anxious including myself in I meditate. You know what I think. It's definitely has helped. Imagine me without it but I do think that this really is. I mean Meditation Exercise. Sleep but meditation can also help without help with sleep in a cap was so many things at L. S. so Kim example about your meditation like the one of your mantras is meditate masturbate and manifest. That's what am I sorry. I can't read mine. Sorry back. Mine is meditate. Masturbate and manifest and yours is meditate. Mindfulness and manifestation. Yeah we both got three. That's all I'm saying I was like I of that. And you have that which I think is amazing. So how does yours work? Tommy Ziva is all about meditation for Better Performance. And we use these three tools. The three M's just like you so mindfulness to help you with your stress in the now which is like oh. I just have this crazy day at work. Let me do ten minutes of my free APP idea. I feel better than taking an aspirin. If you have a headache now meditation specifically what I teach at Ziva is all about getting rid of your stress from the past so all that stuff that we've been storing in our cellular memory all that trauma we've been holding on since childhood. That's the thing that's ultimately slowing us down. And that's really where the big cognitive and physical performance increase comes from getting rid of that stuff that's been stored in the cellular and now we even know inner epigenetics memory. And then the manifesting piece which is the third is basically consciously creating a life. You love. It's taking the time to intentional about what you want your life to look like. Hey what would my dream partner look like? Hey how much money would I love to make this year? Hey what what. My dream relationship with my body. Feel like and a lot of people think they're manifesting even they're praying but they're secretly complaining. I can't lose this weight. Why does she have a boyfriend? And I don't want a he raisin. I didn't and if you ask any questions you're GONNA get shitty answers and whatever you're putting out there if it's the negative or I don't want this I don't want that. That's that's actually what you're going to get and I think a lot of people from the secret and all that stuff they're like. Oh I think happy thoughts but this is more than that what I love about. This is that he's really a full like it's the full spectrum so let's first talk about getting. I WANNA go back to getting rid of the stress that is stored in our body like no matter that stress in the past on a cellular level. Everything has happened to us is still in our body yes. So how does doing your type of Meditation? Actually any meditation help with that so every time you ever been stressed every time you ever launched. We fight or flight stress reaction. It's left a little open window on your brain computer nickel premature cognitive commitments. And by the time the average adult is about twenty years old. We have about ten million of those. Pcc's or premature cognitive commitments. So it's like running a computer trying type an email but having ten million open irrelevant windows. You can't even type the email. So what meditation does it goes into. Gives your body rest. That's very healing. We actually give the body. That's about five times deeper than sleep. The way that we know that is that your metabolic rate decreases heart rate slows. Your body temperature cools. You'RE GOING IN D. Exciting your nervous system when you d something you create order when you start to create order in your body and your cells. That lifetime of accumulated stress can start to come up and out. I don't think that nature intended us to be sick tired and stressed all the time. I think that stresses trying to leave. But if we're so excited if we're so stressed all the time the body isn't have a chance to heal or run. Those maintenance functions just like sleeping you know. There's a lot of things that get messed up if you don't sleep but you just have a good night's rest and you feel better. Same thing with meditation. You just give your body this deep-healing rest when you meditate. And it's cure a whole host of ailments. So what you're saying is though is that I was gonNA say well. It doesn't happen right away but your story is amazing that you actually after the first time you came from you are stressed out. You're in a place where you reach all your dreams and your twenties being Broadway like at twenty two which is amazing people. Break Bread a lifetime and you the first time you it. You were like this is it. Yes because I actually took a class that the tricky thing about meditation is that because it's simple people think they should already know how to do it so they sit down and they're like okay brain. Stop thinking like this one dude telling everyone that in order to meditate with clear our minds already brain shut it down and then I like Tram feeling a little Randy Levine. Thinking about sex medicine. Oh no I suck meditation. I quit and that's the beginning. The end most people's meditation careers. But the really good news for anybody. Who's tried meditation and felt like a failure? Is that the mind thinks involuntarily just like heartbeats involuntarily to try and even bring a commander show up. It's as impactful is trying to give your heart a command to stop beating so where this gets tricky for folks because it simple. They assume they should already know how to do it. And they don't take the time to actually get trained so I took a course I was. My insomnia was so bad it was going gray and my twenty S. I was getting sick and injured. Even though I was living my dream so I was like. Let me try this thing and on the first day of the first secure may insomnia. Well of course did you take so. It was a four day course in New York City with a guy named Michael Miller. Who's based in London? And it was this meditation courses so different from Mindfulness. Because a lot of people think that mindfulness meditation are the same thing and a lot of APPs and youtube. Videos are actually teaching. I will call mindfulness so anytime. You're directing your focus or someone's guiding you through. I put that in a category of mindfulness where this was more of a meditation class. Teaching you how to do it on your own teaching you this technique because your body this deep healing rest and so on the other side. You feel like you've taken the supercharge power nap so my first foray into this was like twenty some odd years ago. I was in Thailand. I did my first pasta retreats so I thought I knew myself and I thought it's a ten day silent. Meditation Retreat where you meditate for ten hours a day. And you don't speak read or write or talk to anybody. You look at anybody because I know myself well enough that people have been telling me for years. I should meditate and I finally got a throw myself in and I did learn but my by challenger on that was like I just learnt meditate but there but I feel like with your which was great but also very strict. I felt like it was for me to actually continue. I had I felt all this pressure has to be well you. You have an hour and morning our nine. I do not have two hours a day and then I kept constantly feeling which which talk about this a lot like we don't meditate become great meditators. We BECOME WE MEDITATE. Become Better Life which you've said to call you and so. I feel like that's where people get tripped up. They're not doing it right. And so I feel like to this process of you. Do teach some practice. But then you also teach about mindfulness. That's the other part of it. They can we talk about the meditation technique that you also teach yes and then I also did a positive retreat so this executive ten days. It's very very monastic. It's very much a monk program and the thing is that most of even the mindfulness techniques today are based on or derivative of monastic practices. So you being in a you know a place for ten days not talking to anyone you know not even making eye contact no reading writing very monk like whereas what I teach the meditation that I teach. Even though it's six thousand years old it was created for people with busy minds and busy lives. It's actually designed to be integrated into your day. So it's a much easier to do. Be a takes less time and see you have more energy and you become better at light so I do think that the style matters. So what is this the year order though that it's mindfulness meditation and manifestation? Yes we use. The mindfulness is like the appetizer. Where were you? We simply use a technical. Come to your senses. So it's real simple. You're just hearing what you're hearing feeling what you're feeling tasting seeing smelling and it's actually something great that people can do even before they're going to have a romantic encounter just to get themselves in their ball heightening their senses. And then you. It's a way director focus. Bring yourself into the now and you're almost warming yourself up for this. Deep Healing. Restful surrender at. Is meditation so Zebras Kind I? It's more like taking a nap sitting up and it is any fancy fingers or wreck spine or concentrating we're focusing and that's really where the magic happens at healing magic from healing the stress from your past and at the end once the right and left. Hemispheres of the brain are functioning in unison. That's where we start to manifest. That's where we start the plant. The the seeds for our dreams for the future right so now. This is all in one practice. I know that you you teach courses online that you can go to even meditation and this is also you guys in the show notes. If you're listening to SEX WITH EMILY DOT COM and click on show notes. Everything we talk about on every single show you can find right there. Some sure everyone wants to sign up right now check it out so it starts with his every day. The same like you start with the mindfulness portion so that would be the census so often I think that's great because what I often tell people we talk about on. The show is because okay. Listen people one of the top questions I get asked is. I am so distracted in the bedroom. I can't focus on sex. I'm worried about the bills. I'm worried about how my body looks on word that can orgasm and I often say well. You know the best thing to do is focus on your senses and think about. What are you smelling tasty? Smell the candle. You're feeling your partner's body because when we do what you're saying is when we focus on the census all five even or short. You can't be in the future your president the moment with your partner. But I'm wondering how you could elaborate on that your practice and it sounds like that's something that you would do in your practice but I'm sure there's New Orleans just because it's also like if people are doing in the bedroom for the first time it's not that's not gonNa work. Can you just start meditating? So yes tell me more about this. A couple of things one. I actually made a whole guided visualization for better sex which I'll share with if you want to put one on the bony together to get you on the side. It was like you were here like so. I'M GONNA give it to you. We can put it in the show notes. And then it's a gift people can just enjoy it and I would say do it before you're going to have an encounter so you understand it but the same tool that you would use to prepare yourself for meditation. You can also use to prepare yourself for sex. Because they're not actually that dissimilar when you're meditating. You're moving beyond yourself. Your your union ing with something bigger than you and something similar is happening when you're union. Was someone else. You're creating a third thing. You're not so individual see your sync together. They do this practice before sex. You could absolutely could kinda hard. 'cause he's been something in the book so there's a chapter called from home to. Omg and there's an exercise at the end of the book. Where I it's a little bit cheesy and you feel a little uncomfortable to begin with but you're just looking at each other's eyes and almost magnetising each other's dreams for each other and I find it very intimate very raw very vulnerable but if you can create that kind of intimacy on the intellectual spiritual plane. It's much easier to get there physically. I love this. I mean this is something that couples need because I I feel like if you could just get yourself in the mindset of sex. He'd be so much better off but when you're just going from your day and kids and laundry and the dog and then you're like boom sex. That's why we're all having a challenging time around sex because our stress hangs out in the past and the future our bliss orgasms hang out in the moment and the five cents is really just a trick to get yourself into your body into the right brain and therefore into the right now business with emily you can still find me on Sirius. 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EP49: Living in Uncertainty w/ Peter Katz

Let's Talk About It with Taylor Nolan

1:08:42 hr | 2 years ago

EP49: Living in Uncertainty w/ Peter Katz

"Hello. Welcome to. Let's talk about it with Taylor Nolan. I am your host. And today. I am actually in Toronto and have a guest who I met last time. I was here in Canada. I don't know if you guys remember, but I was at a conference called fireside. And it was actually I did my first live podcast with Michael guys. Go back and listen to that one about sick, not weak, and this wonderful guest today was the keynote speaker at the fireside bent, and he's a musician. He works with children his mentor, just really like such an authentic man and expresses his ability in so many different ways. And honestly, just an amazing wonderful human, and I'm so so so happy to be here with him today. So that further do a Hello, Peter. Welcome to the show. Oh, yeah. Thanks so much for coming. It's been quite a journey versus forget to this point. We've we've bounced around a little bit today which again, like I'm always thankful for the people that I record with because it's always such like an understanding relationship. I was a little underprepared thought I was prepared. There's been some schedule changes. But really really appreciate your understanding. And just go with the flow of it all look at where we ended up. Yeah. You can see it. But. I'll post him stories of it. She goes can say, but yeah. Beautiful view of Toronto and the water and it's beautiful day here, honestly, and. One kind of go back a little bit to where we met we met at fireside, which you guys have heard me talk about a little bit. Episode with Vanessa we kind of plugged Jere talk a little bit and shared like how emotional it made us and how great it was. And so now, you're finally here. PB here. Yeah. And so you also you like so many different things. And there's so many places we could take this episode. And one thing I want to maybe kind of start off with is what we started off our interaction today with which was the bubbles of calmness. Oh, yes. Yeah. As I said to you what I I ride. I was just running from a million different things. My getting mastered today, and I've been trying to buy a place to which is the crazy thing in the city and. Just so many things happening at once. And and so I was referencing a hero mines men, Oliver shore who is Canadian violin player and. I heard this interview with him once and he was promoting this show that he was gonna play that he called Oliver's last show on his tour of this planet because he had terminal cancer diagnosis, and he only had a few months left to live. And and so he decided that he was gonna play this one final show. And and and I just really kinda followed him in the process. He was blogging about the last few months of his life, and one of the things that he said in one of his blog entries was that, you know, if he thought about the totality of the things that he wanted to do because he wanted to record all this music, and and visit with all these people they was just too overwhelming to to think of the Taliban of it. So he just sorta coin this this vision or this this phrase of these bubbles of calmness. So you just move from one bubble to calmness to the next throughout your day. And so like, okay right now, I'm recording music. And then right now, I'm talking to Taylor. And then right now. Talking to a real estate agent trying to understand what the heck they're saying. But just like you just go from one thing to the next and just kind of show up fully present for it. I've just I've used that image ever since you know, and even fireside where we met. I like there was I just putting a lot of pressure myself. But you're also meeting all these people. So I knew I wanted like to prep for my talk. But I also wanted to be present with people. So I just kind of move from these bubbles of calmness. Yeah. I love that. Because it's it's it actually puts like some imagery to being present for you can link literally envision like each little bubble is like each little interaction or event or meeting or you know, whatever you're gone on and just kind of like being right in that. Yeah. Beautiful image picture, you know, like the in the back of a limo. And there's that little window that goes up. Like. Which is totally rude towards the driver in the back of the Moselle. Fled a regular occurrence. But you're like, okay. Just like putting up the walls, and you're like, okay. This is my bubble now. Yeah. I love that. It's really I think very helpful tool in terms of like coping with stress and mental health is something we oftentimes talk about on this podcast. And and part of why you're talk was. So impactful for so many people because it just was still vulnerable in so authentic and just had these layers that were so real that everyone could relate to on some level. You shared a little bit about your divorce. And then some of this work that you do when mentoring kids and would love for you to share some of that here, not too totally repeat your whole or anything. But some of those little parts of you and how they've impacted your mental health. Yeah. Well, I guess I'll start with the more fun one which is. The kids. Yeah. I guess the condensed version of that story is I was booked to play this show about six years ago in this small town in Albert never heard of this before and wasn't expecting anybody to be there and three hundred people showed up in this beautiful theater and knew all of my music, and I was sort of scratching my head. What happened? And anyways turns out that this. There was this twelve day program for for youth where they take take them out into the mountains, and they go hiking and rock, climbing and whitewater, canoeing. But they don't really care if they get good at hiking, canoeing, it's about doing things that you're afraid of and pushing yourself and developing empathy by taking care of each other. And it's free for the teenagers are all like fifteen sixteen and it's free for them because they're owning high school credits. Yeah. It's amazing. And but in order to earn the credits there needs to be a curriculum. And and so the curriculum is is like an emotional Rikhye lem and in order to anchor the learning they had been using my songs unbeknownst to me. And and anyways long story short. I played the show. It was incredible. I met these people that ran it. And they invited me to come work for them. And and now I go there, and I I run the program for a month every summer, and and it's kind of the best. Thing that I do. And it's interesting. To get back to mental health. I tend to have a really. Kind of hyperactive mind, and I had this incredible moment my first summer if as is that's the name of the camp. Where you know. None of that experience is about me, you know, like, and so much of my career's musician is is all about me. It's like I'm in the photos. I'm in the videos. It's like, it's my expression. But it's also like I like there's there's kind of like there's me. And then there's also the me as a as a commodity, you know, like where I'm there when I was working with the kids. I didn't think about myself for a second. I just met these young people and within a nanosecond of meeting them. I was like oh my gosh. I care about you. So I want to serve you. And I had this moment where I lay down in my tent on the third day. And I had just been doing these eighteen hour days and just just threw myself in this experience. And I it out on my tent, and I realized for the first time in as long as I could remember there was silence in my mind and. It was it was deafening. I I realized that there had just been constant chatter there for a decade and then the experience of. Like outwardly putting someone else. I and giving them my care and my love and my focus allowed my own brain to just. Down which is it. It almost didn't make sense because it was so busy, you know. But that was that was such a moment of a half for me in that like part of my part of my mental health is is actually not making it all about me all the time. Yeah. Yeah. Like step outside of yourself. And then I mean, you're being present when people in a totally different way. When a when you do that and be there is such a. Such a wonderful feeling to care for someone else. And I don't think I liked to generalize. That and say that's like all humans just some more than others. Like for me. Like, I'm very very nurturing, caring person. So like when I can give love to someone else and makes me feel so much fuller and definitely allows me. But like step outside of my thought. Yeah. Yeah. I think there was something like deep that that Clinton me to with their age range because they're all like fifteen years old fifteen sixteen and that's like around when my parents got divorced. And and I think since my parents got divorced like, that's what sort of sent me on this like ended up moving out. Like I lived on my own by the time. I was I was sixteen. And and I think from that moment, I always been trying to prove that I can stand on my own feet, and like to the point of maybe like taking that to sort of compulsive level and. And so working with kids at that age. I sort of I feel like immediately connected to them because there's something about that. My fifteen year old self that. It's almost get an opportunity to give the love that. I I kinda needed at that time that maybe I didn't get and so there's there's it's like by giving them that love I'm kind of giving myself that love to. So there's something there was something super special about that too. Yeah. I think it's a very common thing whenever we experience some kind of trauma or significant life event that perhaps doesn't really received the level of attention and healing that needs that then later on in our lives. We find ourselves in these situations where were then healing are younger self at that point trauma. There was very similar to your experience. Here an episode. I did while back with actually a listener of that. Assode of the show she experienced sexual abuse in her family from her brother, and is now getting her page dean school psychology, and is working with children that are between nine and twelve years old. And that's that those are the same ages where she was experiencing abuse and her family, and so by working with that population of kids, it's healing for her. And it's also allowing to like. It's a different level of connection. I think because you relate so much like you're able to give more to these kids than than maybe you would have if you wouldn't have been able to maybe relate to something that that they could be going through. They could also be going through divorce and their family or just maybe giving that little bit of extra Levin attention that like is healing for you to give because it's what you would have needed and wanted. It's crazy how we do that. Sometimes like, we don't even notice that we're doing it. I mean, xactly, right. I just was kind of thrown into the situation when they asked me to come work for them a member thinking like, oh, there's going to be like a staff training or something like that. And I I arrive and I get off the bus and there's forty kids. They're like, oh, we're starting. Then a few hours later, I'm like in a room with my my small group. There's four small group leaders, and you have about ten students that are kind of your little group within the larger group that I'm just sitting there and they're staring at me and I'm staring at them. And and I knew exactly what to do which is funny because. Like a job this job existed that I had no idea I was perfectly qualified for. And I wanna give credit like people that do that work professionally like, I've learned a lot over the last six years and become better at that work in a lot of people that most people I work with their teachers, and they are more qualified than I am. And I've learned a lot from them. But it felt like natural. It felt so natural to me. Like the most natural thing in the world. So yeah, yeah. That's amazing. I love I love I love that. You do that. Because it's. It's another piece of your identity. You know, like, you're you're a musician. But then you also have this like other. And their side. And it's it's it is interesting. How you talked about it at the beginning where you're like. Yeah. Music is really about me me me me me. And then you're doing this totally opposite thing of just like giving much, and of course, like in my music. I I I really care about the audience that I'm trying to give them a great experience in all of that. Is hugely important to me in what I do doesn't really exist without that interaction that connection, but a lot of writing, and creating for me is is like you do it because you have to like not like you have to make money, but you like it's inside of you. And you have to get it out. You're like a very at all throughout not only your work. But also just as I know you as a person like very reflective, right? Like pretty consistently processing what's going on in like we're seeing on what you're going through. And I'm curious. When when you were younger when your parents got divorced. You receive any kind of therapy during that time, I was interesting because my my mom is there. Yeah. I've got lots of lots of secret every there, but I was super resistant to it. My mom offered to help send me to someone and it was always going on the table, and I was super resistant to it. I only started seeing it. They're pissed. Going through my own divorce. And then I've continued seeing that same therapists postwar. So how long that's been a three just over three years. So yeah, I mean because even just. With your career rejoined music like that in and of itself can be very therapeutic. Definitely like a lot of processing an expression there, and even your work with the kids seems to be very therapeutic. But yeah, it was curious if that had been something that you had done back then. But I'm glad that you're able to find that for sure and truthfully there can also be a disconnect sometimes between like Ozzy I've made this record in the last three years, and and my divorce and the loss of my house and all these things are are like throat that record. But there can be a disconnect sometimes between sort of the show must go on, you know, and so I've been touring, and you you go out on stage and sometimes. It's like like some of the saddest moments for me over the last three years were like playing a show for hundreds of people. And like, it's amazing. And like, you're so connected. And then everybody goes home, and I'm by myself, and I'm like putting stuff in my car. And there's there was several distinct moments then got it got into my car. And I was like where am I driving like, I didn't have a home anymore? I didn't have my partner anymore. And I I was just like and those are my lowest lows after these highest highs. So it's it's a bit of a tricky thing. I think in in this career to of. Like, yes, it's connected in it's and it's amazing that it's like you almost like you give everything you have. And then everybody takes that with them. Just great. And then, but if you don't have your own kind of nucleus of support that you're nurturing and sense of home, it can be really isolating. And and so I guess, you know, doing the work that I do like with the youth or that kind of stuff that that's been a little more. Grounding for me because it feels more like it's just it's real life too. You know? Not not my music careers. But there's just a bit of a difference in the ways that it feeds me. So I can say that. And I wanna maybe shed some light on on this area as it's not something that we've really ever got into before on the pod. A little bit kit. My co host has been divorced, but you're in a pretty significant relationship your ship for twelve years married, and then experienced a lot of the loss after that. And that's a lot of what your last album was about. And a lot of what like your speech was about at. Yeah. At fireside. So do you mind sharing a little bit? Like, would you be open to sharing a little bit about kind of how that relationship kind of resulted in divorce, and how that impacted not only your music by your mental health and. Just what kind of like impact that's had on you pretty significant one. Yeah. Definitely. Yeah. I guess I haven't really spoken about it too much. And I guess with everything there's like two sides of the story, you know? So like my experience of it was. You know, like I thought like for the first ten years. I just thought I had won the lottery, I was like we got this. We're we're winning it at relationship and marriage. And then last couple years like something felt a little different. But. Couldn't put my finger on it. And there was still lots of great moments and. And as I've come to realize through therapy. And I just I was so. My number one fear in life was like divorce that happened at such a significant moment in my life that resulted in the loss of my family resulted in loss of my home. And I just said I'm never going to make that mistake, quote, unquote mistake. And so it just wasn't an option. And so when things were feeling not right. I just I just sort of like everything's okay. There's no problems. This is all unconscious, but it just I just missed I missed something. And she came home one day and essentially said like, I don't want her house. I don't want kids. I don't know if I want to be married, and I'm in love with someone else. And I was like just. It was the shock of my life. And. Again. Like, I everybody has she has her own experience of it. And it's not a judgment as to what happened or. But from my from my end, I was just. Blindsided by it. And and. And I wanted to try to save it. And and. And. Asked. Can we go to therapy? We did. And and we we didn't get there. And. And tried really hard and didn't didn't. I mean, the mazing thing about their as I feel like the image in my mind is like there's just like all of this stuff all over the floor. There's all these shapes. And then there's this big shelf in front of you that has a spot for all those shapes. And you're just like picking stuff up the floor, and you're putting it in the spot. And then you finally pick up the last piece, and you get to look at the picture, and we decided to get divorced therapist's office because we put that last piece, and it was like, oh, this doesn't work. And then that triggered the loss of my house. And just like my parents like we had never fought. Like, my parents never had one fight. And then they got divorced. We never fought. And not that we had one fighting divorce. But just was like it was on. And then it was off. And and then I saw I lost that I lost. You know? Also, like also kind of like her family was my family, and then our house in so. I just. 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Peter to talk about the stuff, that's really really hard. So I remember talking a little bit about it at fireside where it felt like you were the failure. And I'm wondering if you can touch a little bit on like, what yourself talk was during that time and how you've coped with that. Yeah. Well, it's interesting. I I had you know. We both know where giant Bernard Brown fans. And Bernie Brown like if there's something that you don't like about somebody else because some you gotta look at that piece of yourself. Right. And I carried so much judgment towards divorce people. I was like, oh, they must be angry or what's wrong with them. And I remember my neighbor he you know, he had gotten divorced. And I was we were friends and everything. But the part if I'm honest, I was like, oh, he's he must have this anger or something. Whatever didn't try hard enough or exactly. And then I became divorced guy. And I was like, oh, wow. This is how it can happen. But my my negative self talk was really mega. Many naked some negatives. When you use it twice, it makes it a positive, but this is negative. It's a super negative. So yeah, I just I. I really I did I did have this sense of of of being a failure. And and just like the word is disorientated. I was so disoriented. I. I actually it's funny I recorded a live concert about a month after and I watched the footage from that. And I can't watch it because I was. It's like I was unhappy bills or something like reality had not sunk in. And I was speaking so eloquently like I had just I had processed everything. And it's totally okay. And this happens and really like my world was crumbling. And I just was like I'm dealing with this. So well, and then one day it just hit me. And and that was an experience. How did you know that it hit you? What that look like. One. There's there's been many moments where it's hit me. But one of the moments for sure was the very last moment I had in my house and. You know, I can't overstate how much that house meant to me like. It was a hair behind losing my marriage like just like that house. I took the took the loss of my child at home. I took the loss of my grandparents selling their cottage that they'd had for thirty eight years. I took the loss of every home I'd ever known, and I put it in every fiber of that house, and I loved that house. And so on the last day put the last thing in my car, and I was driving away before I did I sat down at my piano. And in the living room, and I just played. And I actually hip record on my phone. I'm never listened to it since it's I wonder what it sounds like. But I just played. And I cried like. Like what like while? I was singing and playing and I just I just processed my feelings through playing. I don't know I played for twenty minutes. I don't know if I paid for an hour. I don't know. But that was just such a tremendous moment of of loss. And and then and that was the beginning of. Where am I going be being behind the wheel wondering because I had this month? We're actually had nowhere to live. And so I I I ended up doing some shows and end up staying at this mile manager's wife's parents had this cottage in the woods. And I went there for a bit. But I just I was like where am I going? And I was just have all these moments is being hit with. Whereas my life what happened and I still get hit with those moments. Sometimes one thing that you said to me before when we were getting lunch that relate stuck out to me with something. I already wanted wanted to bring up just knowing your career, and and knowing that something in everyone's everyday life that we struggle with living with uncertainty and not only like the musician your life is living with uncertainty. But then also in our personal we really don't know. Like, I think even when we're not dealing with very traumatic like heavy situations. Like how you just shared that? Oftentimes, we are always asking ourselves. What are we doing? What's going to happen? Where are we going to even the point? Right. We ask ourselves questions and really uncomfortable to sit with that uncertainty. And it sounds like you had like the most extreme amount of uncertainty at this point in your life yet. It's interesting. You know, like just a tie back. Also to the work. I do the youth. You know? I don't like calling them kids because they're teenagers. And I didn't like anybody kid when I was fifteen students youth, whatever they are wonderful beings. So much of that process is I have no right to call myself, a mentor or to stand up their role of teacher if I don't. Live what I say and. You know, the main theme that we talk about at faces is integrity. So like this alignment of your thoughts. Feelings and actions around true principles and. And so. Dealing like the tools that I try to instill in the youth. I had to approach my own biggest challenge with those same tools, and it was it was almost annoying because I was like, oh, I can't just rage in via mass about that. I mean, I loud to be upset. But I was like, oh, I actually have to deal with this properly because then I can't go back next summer, and and encourage them to like sit with your discomfort and fill your feelings, and but and process it and talk about it and share and donuts late yourself. When all I wanted to do was isolate myself and run away from it or go, drink everything I could get my hands on. Oh, I can't do that. Because then I can't show up next summer. And and so the the youth were holding your accountable were like, really important, honest. To have someone or multiple people to hold you accountable with interpersonal work that that you're doing that's such an important piece. And and and the people that I work with their, you know, they became some of my best friends, they became my support network. And they were the ones that said to me. Hey, Peter, we've become coming your shows for all these years we've seen what you do with youth. You could turn what you do into a talk. And the I talk that I created with the help of my friend. Dave was one of the creators of this program. Talk is called Weiss seek discomfort. It's a he's the one that helped me shape that and the whole premise of that talk is this thing that I do have getting up on stage and singing songs, I wrote about my heart in a bedroom in a dark room full of strangers. That's terrible idea. Like that's fundamentally a bad idea when it comes to vulnerability and discomfort. It's just a fundamentally vulnerable thing to do that. But through the process of getting up on stage over times and putting myself in that room place. It's led to this career. And all these experiences in meeting these students and talking fireside and all these things just standing in front of that microphone and really touching people like in very emotional places. Well, I was tax. Well, thank you. But it's funny. How like that? Because I talk about it. Because like the Genesis of it is I have to live it. And so I can't. I have to have those hard conversations. I have to face those hard things if I am. Yeah. If I if I don't do that. Then I it's like, I know too much. I know that I'm not doing what I really want to be doing what I should be doing. What's going to be best for me? What is in my own integrity? So it's just weird. How kind of life gives you those things that you need. And you know, I I I started at faces. Like via six summers ago five years ago, and then my divorce happen two years after that. So just as I kind of really got into that that I needed those tools that I was teaching and then as I went through the divorce and all of a sudden like part of my I didn't want to be paying one hundred fifty shows a year anymore. I always wanted to be a musician. But I wanted to kind of be home a little more. So that I could take care of my mental health. And then I could you know, I know that me being away that much did not help my relationship. And I I don't want that to happen again. And so you know, and then out of doing that work with with faces. That's where my speaking career started coming out of it too. And that speaking career has allowed me to be more, balanced and not say yes to every musical opportunity because I have alternate incomes sources and just like when I was talking about at faces this job that I feel perfectly qualified for that didn't know exist. I didn't know that you could give talks and how that the career. And now, it's a huge part of my career. And that connection that I crave with human beings in some ways. It's almost like a it's like the ultimate format because in a music show. It's like well is your latest single doing? Well, and where are you and your album cycle? And like are you the coolest person on the block? I mean, I don't totally play that game. But there's always. There's an element of that. Quote, unquote successful. Whereas what I'm speaking with people. The whole premise is. Hey, we're gonna come here. And try to feel something perfect. Let's do that. Let me tell you make people on things. And but one of my favorite parts, both me and Vanessa loved was how you incorporated both of those in in your keynote that you were sharing your story you were being vulnerable you were lenient leaning into the discomfort of it all, but then you were also incorporating your music and not was like, you would tell like bits and pieces of his story. And then you would play a song, and like the song just let it like all really sink in. And now is when NASA like would lose it. The most. Sobbing? Beautiful like a very therapeutic like very connecting kind of way. Right. Well, thanks. I. I want to. I've always had this fantasy is as a writer that that I'll like wake up one morning, and they'll be a book next to me. That's just full of songs that I wrote. But like. But like I don't have to keep writing. I mean, I love writing. But it's also like really hard. But in a way, all the three hundred songs, whatever that I have written. They kind of are fulfilling that in my speaking career because there's so much love and care that I've put into everyone of those songs. No matter what I'm talking about. I have a song that I've written about that. And so I get to kind of reverse engineer the songs like, oh, you like about vulnerability or whatever. Yeah. I've got twenty those what's the perfect song. And then what's the story behind that? And all of a sudden like I can just craft. I can kind of craft my talk around the songs that I'm going to use to anchor. So it's like I do have that book full of things that I've written. They just happened to be called my songs. And there was one piece of your speech that I would love for you to share with listeners than I would love to listen to again. But there is a piece where you talked about at the kitchen floor, and I I will share that. I think the kitchen floor is one place. I think I have some of my most vulnerable moments. Like when you said that it hit me so hard because I was like, yes. That's where I go. And there was actually a session with a client a few years back where she was it was anniversary of her partners as suicide and was very very deep day. And it was kind of like, how do we wanna process this? And she had just been gogo all day it hadn't hadn't really taken a second to even let it sit in and choose like I needed just like I needed just come have a breakdown like just having meltdown. Okay. What does that look like free and shoes like just like crying on my kitchen floor? Really? I was like. We literally like the most vulnerable. I had ever been in a therapy session with the client and even after that session. Thank god. That was the last session of the day because I was like, oh like that that hit me and like we sat on the floor together. And like, she just let it all out moment. It was a whole thing. But when he said that I was just like, yeah. Right. The kitchen floor like that isn't where you feel shit. True. Yeah. Tell us about your kitchen. Well, I I walked into my my kitchen, and in my talk, I say, I think I'd say my friend, but it was actually my ex wife, but I I was like if I say ex wife it's going to send people off on another. Tangents, and we have some Baxter Baxter by sense. But I said to my. To my wife at the time. I had been at that point. I'd been touring about seventy years and doing a hundred fifty year lot of those shows to know people sleeping on floors. And I just said the words I said, it's not working. And as I said those words, it's not working. All of that energy that I had been using to keep up the walls and say, yeah, everything's great. I'm doing great just the sort of the LA not that as a live. But the truth of what it really felt like inside of me. Despite some people from the outside thinking, oh, you're you're doing great. But I know the reality new the reality of, and I knew the numbers that you know, I knew what needed to happen and what wasn't happening. But so all of that energy to try to keep everything looking great just the dam broke. And and I just collapsed the word collapse to the floor, and as I said, it's not working, and I said that multiple times. And as I said those words just I just I just cried like, I don't know I've ever cried like that in my life. You know, it was just so. So much that the fear that the disappointment that just the frustration the self-doubt just. All of the protective barriers that allow you to be a functional human being disappeared. And I just I just cried so hard, and I felt like it was over. I felt like I had like I had failed. Like, it was just and it was my whole identity to you know, it's especially when you're an artist. It's just it's kind of it's your key to the world. It's the way people interact with you, at least that's how I perceived it still kind of perceive it that way. I'm trying to. Also, see myself as somebody who just has value in exists. Whether people are clapping for me onstage or not. But. Yeah. Man that was a that was a moment. And like I said at my talk that moment was also a couple of weeks before I walked out on stage at that show in fort MacLeod and turns out that my music had been used for this program. And I had no idea. So that was happening at the same time as I thought that wasn't worth it wasn't working, which is kind of amazing. Yeah. The universe working and beautiful way that it does. Yeah. Man that I think all away just that is yourself not alone. And that and I know you know that. I think no matter what career anyone is in that. That's something that we can all relate to that feeling of like holy shit. Something's not right anymore. Something's not working. And I love how you how you describe like having those walls of making everyone think that everything's okay. I'm doing good. I'm doing good. When you great that. You know, there are people who like, that's that's their whole thing. You know? I'm sure there's someone listening right now. Who's like, that's that's their thing. They're the person that always has it together. There the strong one the one that's really successful. And that there's this feeling of like you can't break. Right. Can't feel it. And if you do your weak and your failure, and you should be ashamed right. And that's why I always encourage feel all the feelings Mike aspirin Brown says the Queen Brunei says you can't selectively numb can't just numb the negative feelings feelings like saying negative feelings the red feelings feelings that are really uncomfortable. You can't you can't do that. You're also numbing things like joy and love, and we don't we don't wanna be living in a society of numbness or not. We don't want to have a life of numb. And how are we connected to each other? And that's so important in our lives, and I just so appreciated all of your owner ability and not only in the talk. But then also just in like, your everyday life that you have and even talking on here because it does allow for people to feel connected to you. When I think it also is a is a healing thing for everyone when we share and when when we allow someone else to feel connected to us. I think increases our. Connection with ourselves hundred percent. Yeah. And that's part of the struggle. Sometimes like I said this at mytalk it's not good for my ticket sales to talk about crying on my kitchen floor. You know, like, it's not sort of something that you kind of Instagram when you're when you're crying on the floor, you know, but like people so sometimes I feel like I'm contributing to the sense of 'isolation that people have by not sharing that which is why I was happy to come on this podcast with you too. Because most interviews that I do I'm talking about how great by show is. And you should come out great the new album is like all of these things. 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I mean, I first of all I always love when people are just like very in touch with their emotions allow themselves to feel all the feelings. And that's why I was drawn like we need to talk more maybe at best. But you're also a man and typically that's not something that men do. In fact, men are oftentimes shamed. When they have that experience. And so I'm wondering if you can touch a little bit on like how if at all you've noticed that play a part in how you are expressive emotionally like maybe if you've if there was any kind of like mental process when you put those walls down say, it's not working and allowed yourself that moment, maybe it wasn't even necessarily allowing yourself the moment because it just just happened happened. But if there were layers of that that were like, you're the man of your her husband. You know, you gotta keep it like if there was any of that. Or if like experienced any of that in your life. What's interesting, like even just the fact that I don't say in my talk. I don't say like I walked in the kitchen and said to my wife, it's not working the reason, I say, it's a friend. I I don't say my wife one or my ex wife. I don't I don't say that one. Because what I already said is that I just don't want people like oh, X Y Floyd got the worst. Like, just, you know, go off on some tangent. But also. I truthfully I've never like admitted this. But I think I also. I feel like it's part of me feels embarrassed that that that I did that in front of my wife that ex wife than that people would be like, oh, that's why she divorced him. You know, that's kind of the judgment train that go is like people would judge your capabilities as a husband yet just that that, you know, like get it together man, you know, and it's interesting. Although I've also like I've had like girls that I dated or friends said to me like you're more of a woman than the. As in like, you're you're way more emotional than I am like, but it's kind of judgment in that too. You know, like. Definitely there. But yeah, I definitely think I'm just prone to emotion like since I was a little kid, and my mom was therapist. And so there's there's an openness over the students encouraged for sure. But I definitely. I would be lying. If I I said, I didn't like judge myself for for that weakness. I mean, just which isn't a weakness. I know I know I exactly that perceive. This you know, one hundred percent. And I mean, I get up state. I get up on stage. And I basically try to get people to connect and feel things. That's my MO. That's what I built my career on. But it's easy to to play the role of getting people to feel things and then maybe not. Yeah. Having a wall up at it. And and like if I'm totally honest like, I this this this these last few weeks for me have been. Really? Challenging and from an outside perspective like album, just got mastered. And I've got an amazing team of people that are working with me now. And but. I. About a week ago. I had a sleepless night anxiety attack and last night. I had another like kitchen floor moment. And I haven't had a moment like that in a long time. And I I I was I was with my girlfriend, and I I just was like, I'm I'm. I'm not quite keeping it together. Right here. You know? And and I was embarrassed in front of her and to her credit. She was just so loving and warm, and and kind and the thing that really kind of made me. Kind of break down. And cry was just how understanding she was like when I looked in her eyes. And she was just present with me and wasn't judging me, that's what made me she like, she was saying, it's okay. She opened the door to say. Yeah. 'cause I was I was sort of like, you know, at my hands in my head, and I just was like just feeling just the sense of. Like there's so much pressure coming at me. And then I dislike opened my eyes. And I looked at her and she just was pure love. And then. I lost it and. If I feel way better, you know, there is a part of me. That's that's just scared that she would judge me for that. Or that anybody would just kind of shocked that I'm saying this to you. But I I guess that's what we're doing. And I appreciate your sharing, and and I can very much relate. I think we both especially as of late have had a lot of pressure on salves and from other people, and there's just so many things going on. And I think we both have been very like gogo cocoa and various small moments to ourselves. And that's where like, you know, when we first together today talking about the bubbles of calmness to really just be present. And each thing and each moment. And that's another thing that Bernanke talks about is like perfectionism that that's one of the owner ability armers that we use is like busy bee image and. How important it is to actually take that time for self care, which we didn't episode on a while back, but also can be misconstrued in so many different ways. But like actual genuine letting yourself feel the feelings of it all. And I'm really happy that like you have the support to do that last night. But also that like you put yourself out there to receive that support. And that you like let yourself feel it. I mean, I needed to it was like a sickness inside of me. You know, like I just felt like I've just been carrying this tension. And I guess it was just admitting it to, hey. I'm the night when I was sort of having this kind of. Anxiety attack. All night was. It was like seven thirty in the morning. I was still awake. I had not slept and that day I had to drive five hours play a gig drive back to drive ten hours and play this gig. And so it was like seven thirty in the morning. I knew I had to leave my house at ten AM. So and then I was going to be driving for ten hours. I thought I was going to die or something. If I if I didn't get some sleep. And so I I didn't want to bother anybody. But I sent an Email to my brother, and to my friend, who's one of the people, she's therapists who helped create the faces program and the two of them have been such great supports me. And I sent them an Email at like seven thirty in the morning and said, I just need to tell somebody. I'm having a moment. And I'm not, okay. And I'm gonna be okay. You don't need to worry about anything crazy happening. But I just need to tell somebody that. Amidst all of these amazing things that are happening. I'm struggling, and I and I sent that Email and I fell asleep, and then they both called me that day. And and and I just felt way better that I could share that. And you know, and I we office my brother, and my friend. She's literally saved my life. Like, I have just report trust with them. I don't feel like it's going to negatively affect their mental health thirds trigger them. Anyway, they can just kinda hold that space for me. And I think you need to find those people that that can hold that space for you. Because it's not everyone. Brennan says yes share strike people who've earned the right? So a little off subject, but kind of fun fact, I'm very particular when it comes to dating and like hygiene. I mean, the average person actually only brushes for about forty five to seventy seconds when the recommended brushing time for your teeth is actually two minutes. And that's one of my biggest pet peeves when I date someone that like, maybe they don't actually brush their teeth for the full two minutes because this is important stuff. And I want to share with you guys that the burst sonic toothbrush has Bilton two minutes Highmore to help you actually reach that magical, number and this sonic toothbrush. 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Would code Taylor for ten percent off. Don't miss out on this special offer. This is also a super great gift ideas. Especially if you're dating someone and you notice they're using a toothbrush that does not time. And they're not actually brushing for the two full minutes, like get your teeth clean. Go to burst oral care dot com. And don't forget to use my code Taylor. Now that was just a little off topic. But I wanna get back to our show. But I find it interesting at the end of that, they they you said, you know, you didn't wanna bother anybody. Yeah. I think that's something. You talk about almost every episode with guests. We all how this concern being a burden when we reach out to say that we're not doing. Okay. And I love even how you said it like literally I feel like I'm listening to myself talk because that's the exact same thing. I'll say, you know, I'm not okay, right. Like, I'm having a moment. Right. And I need to just let myself be in this moment. And I know that the next moment will get better each moment will feel better as allow myself to, you know, practice themselves, compassion and feel the feelings. I'm feeling. And I do know rationally I'll be okay, not in this moment. And we cannot allow for. Yeah. But then I will be and it's amazing that that you communicated that. And then, you know, immediately just felt this sense of like relief. It sounds like we're able to to silence all of that. And actually get some rest. It was incredible. You know? As soon as I sent those notes. I also sent a note to to Blake the guy who I spoke with to hopefully, come on the show. We'll be able to talk about thankfulness with that. So yeah. As soon as I reached out to kind of that core people, but even then with each of those three people. I didn't. There was so much of my so many voices in my head. That were telling me don't do that with my brother. I was like, oh, then my whole family is gonna be worried. And then every time I go home like, I just a whole reason not to do that. And then with with my friend joss who I work with bases. I was like, whoa. I won't get to go work with the kids again because they're going to think I'm not stable and the this whole narrative and then with Blake what we worked together. And we we do these talks together. Sometimes like, oh, this is give me I'm professional unprofessional. The and and of course, so how do you talk through back to each his Voice's or how do you move past that negative self talk that that's discouraging you're shaming new to not share? So part of what we do at faces is we really kind of talk about like thoughts feelings and actions and the connection between those those three things, and you know, when you're in flow, you're kind of everything is just moving, you know, like we use the analogy like a basketball player just you know, they're playing the game. They're not thinking of strategist, they're just inflow, and they go, and they they do the lap or the slam dunk or whatever it's just so when you're out of flow. It's like one of those things out of whack either you're trapped in thought. What or your, you know, your loss and feelings or often, it's like inaction is what happens, you know? You kinda get bogged down in one of those two and so often to way to reboot system is just putting the action. I and so we use the image. Like, we actually take the students repelling they go down this giant Rockwall? And of course, their thoughts are like I'm going to die. Calculate that. And their feelings are just out of control. But if if they just put the action I and just take a step then by taking that step. You're like, oh, I didn't die. Yeah. I still have all these thoughts and these feelings, but take another, oh, I didn't die. And so we sort of had this five four three two one rule, which is like basically in those five seconds where you're thinking about the action. You just do the action. And so you just do the action. And and what often happens like, I've I've done run hundreds of kids through the repel. Now by the time they're like halfway down there loving it. And they were crying screaming and wanting to go home like, you know, ten minutes earlier and now omitted earlier and now they want to go up and do it again. So I kind of in my brain. I all these reasons for me, not to send it, but I knew that I just had to send it, and so I just sort of close your eyes and just hits in and just close your eyes and hit send and then I fell asleep and. That that's what I needed to do. So, but yeah, putting the action I sometimes is helpful. Yeah. I love that you're part of this program. It sounds super super interesting helps me I'm happy to have it for you that students have. Yeah. God Canada's great greetings up here. Before we kind of wrap up here. One thing. I wanna ask you. And it's in a way, maybe kind of like little thing like little assignment thing to actually what I would do. I haven't done a lot on the pod. But whenever a friend calls me, and we have like, you know, the conversation and being a friend depicts is what we call it session. Always kind of wrap it up or leave it with like. Okay. So like, where do you go from here, you know, and knowing that this has been like super stressful time for you on a lot of pressure. You know, you had your moment. Just last night. You came into our hang out today. Talking about sitting with these bubbles of calmness. And I think that's a really great tool to use going forward with all the pressure and stress, and certainly some of that stuff is situational. And we'll go be resolved soon. But like how do you take care of yourself the rest of the week? That is a good quite well because I have talked them giving tomorrow for the Canadian Cancer Society. So there's been a lot of like preparations, but. My girlfriend, and I are going to take Saturday off which is gonna be my first day off in in a long time. And we're going to go for a hike and just be out in the woods. And it kinda worked out really well because the talk for the Canadian Cancer Society is up at this retreat center, and and we had wanted to go camping this weekend. But as you can tell it's quite cold here. Guys Atlanta now is like to Seattle actually warmer there. So anyway, the guy I I had a meeting with him last night just kind of overview what I was going to do. And he's like, hey, by the way, we have these cabins, and you you and your girlfriend can just have one if you guys want to hang out. And so so so it's kind of fell into my into my lap. So universal like you need some self care time. Here's a cabin, and my girlfriend is amazing it and like she's just incredible it living in. Moment, and and kind of finding that balance and that self care, and and she's a good influence on me for sure. Yeah. I'm really happy that that you found her yet. I feel like there's there's, you know, I'm one of those people that like I'm super diligent with going to the gym and eating really, well and all those things and like an all of that is is self care. But there's also it's also like super officiant. You know, it's like it's still like trying to win it everything. And so although I have kind of shifted my gym thing a little bit where. Last like month, especially when it's been so busy, no matter. What's happening in my life? I never stopped going to the gym. I just decided that you know, like Brock Obama would would like work out like every morning and one of my favorite Kenyan. Politicians name is Jack Layton and he passed away, but the some of the business people on earth. They don't compromise that part of their routine. And so I know I don't compromise that so I've been having this moment where right before I walk into the gym. I'm like this is for me. And then I enjoy it so much, you know, and like people always tried to get me like join running clubs or like. No, no, no, no, no. Like, I have no mandate. I don't wanna like train for something. And then chief it and then stopped doing it was like this is their appeal for me. This is self care. But still I feel like I need this other layer of time where I'm. I'm just focused on being just being exactly just being. That's exactly. So it's kind of like the difference between going for a walk or going for a run. Like, obviously you run. It's great, you feel awesome. But when you go for a walk. There's this a different pace. There's a different mindset to it. There's just a different comfort to it. And so I need to go for more walks. I like I like that you say that this is for me. That's a good reminder to like literally verbally even say to yourself before going into doing anything like south care wise, like picture myself stepping into a bubble bath. This is for me. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's good. I'm glad that you have this cabin coming up and your time to just be and they also get to share it with your partner. Joe default beautiful thing. What how if people wanna like contact you if they wanna like CEO where can I find you Peter? Well, I'm on the I'm on the interwebs, Peter cats music and in Canadian that's K A Z, K tease, Ed in no way. No, katie's Z is American Katie said is Canadian so. Yeah. So Pierre cats music, Peter dot com. Them coming out. So yes by the time, this is released as album will come out if you weeks. A few months. Yes. So I just I just finished it. But it's it's I feel like it's the album of my lifetime. I'm so proud of it. And I worked on it for three years. So we're going to set it up really properly. So it'll it'll be out in twenty nineteen. But I don't know exactly when but it's sold like follow him on Instagram, and I'll put the links to his website, and some really cool videos when that you said was like Super Bowl was you did a cover of halo by beyond stays. So we'd be beehive listening. Check the link and descriptions any I'll talk all kinds of fun links there from Hiller check you out. But thank you so much. I'm so I don't wanna stop talking. My pleasure. Thanks. You did a great job to. Thank you. Did you? And that does it for our show today. Thank you so much for tuning in. I can check out all the things we talked about stay and Peter in the episode prescription. So check out those notes, and please feel free to leave a review on I tunes and give us some feedback. Let me know what you're talking about the show. And if there are topics that you guys wanna see covered, you'll free to send an Email at ask dot, let's talk about it at CI, mail dot com. 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Wednesday 4 September

Monocle 24: The Briefing

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Wednesday 4 September

"You're listening to the briefing. First broadcast on the fourth of september twenty nineteen on monocle twenty four the briefing is brought to you in partnership with rolex live from london. This is the briefing on monocle twenty four coming up another tense day in westminster. There is no consent centene this house to leave the european union without a deal. There is no majority for no deal in the country it said before if the prime minister has confidence in his brexit policy when he has one can put forward he should put it before the people people in a public opponents all a no deal brexit round on boris johnson after he is defeated in k. Brexit vote in westminster will brits ritz now be heading back to the polls also ahead. We'll have the latest as the tech giant. Wa wa accuses washington of launching cyberattacks to undermine its business business operations plausible speak to our contributor in turkey hannah lucinda smith about her new book ertegun rising the battle for the soul of turkey and where in finland to find out why the nordic nation tops so many of the world's most impressive surveys. I'm ben ryland. That's ahead on the briefing. Live live from london. A sense of crisis is lingering the westminster today as a showdown looms uh-huh between the prime minister of boris johnson and rebel m._p.'s who were up until late yesterday evening members of his own party. The prime minister says is that he'll call an early election. If parliament forces him to request an extension to the brakes at deadline labor however is opposed to that plan which could make johnson's threat unlikely. Let's get more on this now. With our regular chronicler of westminster madness lands price <hes> regular listeners will of course no that lance. This was tony blair's director of communications when he was prime minister lance thanks for joining us johnson needs the support of two-thirds of m._p.'s to coal that election election than he's been talking about. Labor is against the idea. The liberal democrats in the n. Pay old say that they won't back it has boris johnson backed himself into a corner runaround this yeah he has really i mean he taught himself into a situation <hes> his fate in a sense is in the hands of jeremy kobe the opposition leader and other opposition leaders leaders of other opposition parties at westminster because he simply doesn't have the pow- up to co ltd action on his own in terms i think if he had strategy then that strategy assumed the because the labor party had been calling for general election almost every day since the last one they would automatically vote for one but of course labor getting a bit more savvy about that tactics now and they've been having discussions with others in other parties who are opposed no deal and then full for it so we could have a situation by the end of the week the web boris johnson's own strategy in terms of his negotiations asssociation is scuppered because of the votes of the house of commons later today and tomorrow do also in the house of lords but also <hes> he can't run away from it go to the country and the general election because he comment. That's how difficult will it be lands for labor to explain why it is extensively the against having an election i mean one can look at the strategy behind it all and say oh yes it makes sense but publicly speaking a one can imagine it could be a fairly awkward argument to make there was a former adviser to david cameron making a statement <hes> in in some of the media recently late yesterday evening saying that really for an opposition to not want an election is almost like political suicide. Now look that that might be might be a little bit dramatic but i mean. Can you envision a scenario where it is looking a little bit it awkward for labor to explain why it doesn't want to go to an election. Yes that's overstating it. It is it is a little bit over but it's not more than that because labor can quite comfortably say if you will guarantee that there is going to be no crushing out of the european union with no deal then we'll go from election if you can guarantee that the election but being until after that deadline and therefore are we haven't left the european union without a deal. We'll go for an election so we're only talking about a matter of weeks weeks. I think almost certainly we gotta have an election but i think that it wouldn't be too difficult for the right party. Ended did the other opposition parties is to say yes. We're going to have a general election but we're not going to play along with the <hes> shenanigans games that <hes> the prime minister sapporo johnson are trying to drawers into and therefore it'll have to be an election at the right time <hes> under the right circumstances and crucially protects the the interests of the country from the damage of a no deal brexit. There was a lot happening late yesterday. It's difficult to know what to what to latch onto one. <hes> one obvious moment was when philip lee defected to the liberal democrats and that actually happened while boris johnson was delivering a speech. It was a humiliating humiliating. Moment broadcast live on television. <hes> johnson followed a little while later by expelling twenty. One of his own m._p.'s rebel m pays. How much damage has this done given that before. All of this started johnson only had a majority of one shoes to damaging and i think it is insane tactics looking at it from the outside not just because i mean it's one thing to stamp your authority the party and to say you know you cross me and they'll be a price to be paid for it. We just have to look at the people that he's taken the whip away from and they are some of the conservative party's real a box office characters people that the public connect with whether they're toll result people like ken clarke people like nicholas soames. Who's the grandson of winston churchill people rory stewart who really made a name for himself when he was running for the leadership of the party and the problem is that by by kicking them out of the parliamentary party at least what boris johnson is not welcome but it sounded to all those people who rather like those individuals look. I might be inclined to vote for party. They'll have them on board. We don't want you ida and if he is serious about a general election then that strikes me as very very dangerous signal to be sent now all of this <hes> at least the expulsion of those m._p.'s words connected to the threat to block a a no deal exit from the european union that would be by way of introducing a bill that would force the prime minister to ask for a delay to the brexit deadline headline said of course that they're going to proceed with that anyway will that brexit delay bill path prokuplje will bill copy absolutely certain because parliamentary procedure is quite a complex business of in terms of the commons votes. It's clear determination. They should the rebels. The tory rebels the phone. Gotta follow through on that now. Why wouldn't they be concerned. Three parliamentary party anyways got nothing more to lose so i think the votes in the commons will certainly go through there is the question mark hanging over the fact that it has to come to the house of lords as well and that in the house of those there's is always the possibility that it could be nici talked out where boris johnson supporters we just keep on talking until it ran out of time but i think the rebels that it got away at around that so i think a very good chance that it will go through its parliament two stages. The question of course is whether it gets the royal assent goes the cream to be signed off into law and so there are there hurdles along the way i we can't be absolutely certain dibba crossover those but it's got wind behind it right and i think most people seem that it will pass lance <hes> as a saying that moment <hes> late yesterday when those twenty-one m._p.'s were expelled shortly after philip lee defected to dem's it was really an astonishing moment <hes> will restrict stewart as you mentioned a who stood against boris johnson he found found out that he'd been sacked via text message as he was receiving an award from g. Q. magazine fo- politician of the year. I believe it was i mean aside from the politics <hes> behind it all and that chaotic mess we saw on television in westminster one suspects that this is going to have quite an impact on the standing of the conservative party at the moment in politics in general. How much damage do you think this has done to the support for the party and perhaps more crucially if we're serious about this brexit deal ever passing to the view from the european union ave now going to be hungering full some sort of election really just what the slate clean while. I think a lot of people are <unk> thinking. We've got to have an election. We gotta have an opportunity for the public expressive you in an election but obviously be one way of doing that and i do because exciting <hes> a few minutes ago that the prime minister has tarnished the conservative brand quite considerably and he runs the risk could alienating a lot of moderates centered around conservatives who've been conservatives all that lives but i really admire people like ten o'clock and like and like rory stewart do it and there's also the danger that of course it diminishes us the united kingdom internationally whether it's in our relations with the european in union all more widely at people looking at us who are thinking what actually the brits whatever you think about them they they kind of know how to do these things. They've had a parliamentary democracy for very long time <hes> they believe in the rule of law and they are an example of how governance should happen. I'm not sure people to say that the at the moment so oh and there's also a much bigger broader question which is whether the reputation of all of politics is being damaged by not just the conservative party but whether the the reputation of westminster people's faith in democratic system is being undermined by what's going on at the moment and then beyond that you're at some point we gotta have to work out what our relationship is with the european union and it cannot be one dictated by a minority within political party even if they've now absolutely most of the seats in the in the cabinet. That's gonna have to be a consensus. He's gonna has to be some consensus formed in this country around future relationship with the european union who was a nation how we behave how we relate with other countries around the world including europe and we are not on the road at the moment that could also also relate to that conclusion so one way or another the prime minister if he remains the prime minister. He's on his feet at the moment in the house of commons doing his first ever prime prime minister's questions it could be his last prime minister's questions but if he wants to stay as prime minister he's going to have to find a way of bringing this country together and not tearing the kind of divisive supporters. We've seen over the last few days right. It's a big day ahead of big week ahead. It seems in british politics yet. Another one lands price thanks for joining us is here on the briefing now with a look at the day's headlines. Here's monaco's yolene geffen. Thank you been hong kong's leader carrie. Lam is asking a controversial extradition. Bill that has triggered months of unrest in the city state. The bill would have allowed expeditions to mainland china but has been met by widespread protests that have plunged hong kong into its worst political crises in the decades grassroots members of italy's populist five star movement have voted to support the formation of a new government with the country center left democratic party. The vote means that italy will avoid fresh elections and that jessica conti will stay on as prime minister and today's monocle minute reports that japan's retailers and restaurateurs are bracing themselves as for a rise in sales tax at the start of october. The decision has provoked. The ire of business owners. Who say to system is too confusing for more on the story had to monaco com slash minute those today's headlines spec to you ben. Thank you your lane now. Let's to anno- attention to a story. That's been developing the past few hours. Qualify has has accused the u._s. Government of using every tool at its disposal to disrupt its business. The chinese tech giant also says that the u._s. has launched launched cyber-attacks to infiltrate its networks over more on this story. I'm joined on the line by michael clark who used to be the head of the royal united services institute d- welcome back to the briefing michael. What exactly has hallway said well. They as you mentioned i mean they they saying that the united states is conducting dr condie vendetta against them and in commercial terms. That's pretty well true for all sorts of reasons. The united states has said you know that hallway is a security thirty threat and there's a fair amount of evidence that is fairly true <hes> but they also gone as far as to say well. This is really just a non tariff barrier. The the americans are trying to kill off. Go away or diminish it as part of a trade war with china and that can't be proved but there's upset matter of circumstance evidence that that is also also the case the the charge of hacking mistakes a charge. I know of no evidence one way or another <hes> it. It's hard to see how the united states would benefit from a hacking exercise against to our way as opposed to defending itself or making clear that its own systems homes were robust the gains to always possible entry into u._s. systems but we just don't know we'll have to see where that part of the story goes in the next few days <hes> a lot of this. It seems to be based on what various sides saying he. There's not a lot of hard evidence to rest the reports on the <hes> the statement from highway was as you say michael maiden response to that reporting the wall street journal and it said that it'd be investigated by the u._s. Department of justice on the alleged theft of smartphone camera paintings who says those allegations of false i mean how seriously can we take any of these claims. We should certainly take me seriously because <hes> whether they turn out to be <hes> true on auto half true as many of these things tend to end up as an what if whatever the outcome of that the fact is that always now becomes the the crux over big trade wall a worsening trade war between america and china and in a way always finds itself in the middle it was the it it was a big or one of the big globalized companies chinese companies seem to be doing very well with <hes> ren zhang fei who established it who of course ignorance an ex ex member of the people's liberation army certain member of the communist party there was that sense that hallway is the is the battering ram the commercial battering ram that puts puts chinese technology and possibly chinese espionage deep into the heart of many western societies and so there's this security push back not just in america but also in in many european countries in japan australia new zealand is a lot of suspicion about huawei around the world and the the united states is elevated this from a security problem to a problem relating to china's behavior in the world china's commercial behavior the white state you know it's known for years that steals patients it uses espionage for very commercial purposes not just national security purposes and so long way is now the the center of this this argument which is becoming more serious every month and as you say michael the u._s. dell's view always a national security threat but as you've referenced those other countries as well the u._s. is certainly not alone in that view but in the last few years the united states and the trump administration certainly has been making the most noise about this issue. Whoa at what point does the does the support for the u._s. on this matter to stop though because as far as governments in australia and new zealand and various other countries are concerned. Yes it's a national security threat but by no means does it reach as far as the accusations coming from the united states. Does the u._s. Have enough friends is an allies when it comes to fighting this 'cause well. It's a good point because it they can only push it so far because here in britain we have a particular issue that oh always involved in all three gene are four g networks and it's going to be involved in power to law five g. networks and as the government <hes> changed its mind completely and the argument is look in in this in this multiple <hes> technology world. You can't actually freeze out <hes> supplies completely because in fact <hes> who always always involved in certain components in the united states already in systems. They already have so hallways already in the u._s. At certain levels and most countries say look we we we can deal with this as a security question but we're not on board for as it were a completely demonizing hallway as if somehow this was this was the chinese china's government trying to subvert the economic system of the rest of the world so the united states can only go so far but it has to be said that the trump administration has pushed very hard awed on this much harder than the obama administration who was getting concerned about who always ever done and there is a suspicion. I think you implied that they could. They could just go too far and find that their allies will say well. Look you've got your security problems. We've dealt with ours. We're not now going to isolate chinese technology which after all us who's on the janis technologies we don't we don't completely throw out the baby with the bathwater. Absolutely it's a complex tale michael clark. Thanks for joining us. This is the briefing thing live on monocle twenty four coming soon monocle rolex. Bring you the pioneers. The pioneers is a brand new series of tells stories of people improving the planet. You'll hear how rolex supports these innovators with whom they share a passion to safeguard in the f. a. future generations sion's gain precious insight into the fresh thinking that is disrupting received wisdom for the better and learn how phyllis action continues to be the crucial driver of change. The pioneers coming soon twenty four tom now for a deep look at some of the stories dominating the news agenda today. I'm joined in the studio by the political journalist terry st anthony and amy pope associate fellow at the u._s. and america's program at chatham house. Welcome both to the program. <hes> we begin of course here in the united kingdom and returning to our top story on today's program the u._k.'s prime minister boris johnson has been on the receiving end of a historic defeat in the house of commons yesterday rebel conservative party m._p.'s m._p.'s and other opposition parties rallied to object to a no deal brexit and looks like the country might now be headed for another general election <hes> <hes> to be continued on that front the unprecedented events in u._k. Politics this week have raised questions about whether the nation's unwritten constitution and some fairly flagrant disrespect of political norms in the house are in need of addressing his the green party's caroline lucas yesterday and finally mr speaker. I wanna make a point that i think is important. Although some may feel that is it is boring but i actually do you know what the reason that we are in this crisis now one of the many reasons breath it's because we don't have a co defied written constitution. It is only the unwritten uncool defied understandings of protect the body politic take from regressing to government with minimal checks balances accountability up until now we have to depend on people playing by the rules well now. We have a government that that is not playing by the rules so we need more than ever a written constitution thrown up by a democratic citizens convention that will put people at the ought of our politics for the first time in history caroline lucas from the green party terry playing by the rules. I mean it almost feels claimed claimed given that we had some suggestions not too long ago that <hes> the government may consider simply disregarding the law <hes> but look are you sensing that perhaps the framework of u._k. Politics is starting to be unpicked undone. I think we're in some very unusual territory here. Certainly i mean you don't normally see <hes> for instance. Prime minister losing their first ever house of commons vote apparently hasn't happened since sometime in the late nineteenth century bought i encounter lucas is wrong in some ways because i think what we are seeing is the unwritten constitution actually working because what we're seeing is that we've got a huge body of parliamentary procedure and that parliament is actually stepping up <hes> to scrutinize the executive to challenge the prime minister and the government and to you say you know you can't get things done without the consent of parliament and we are in an unusual situation because as of yesterday we now have a minority government. We sold a very a bizarre situation of one m._p. Crossing the floor literally of the house of commons from the conservative party to join the liberal democrats which meant the government was a minority we then had the conservative party sucking twenty one of its own m._p.'s including two former chancellors which means they haven't got a majority at all but parliament is now taking control and they are using yes obscure bits of parliamentary procedure obscure standing orders and things but those are there and watching what the house of lords may do later later on this evening the rules are there and they're being used. It's just a question of who can be more clever in interpreting the rules and getting things to work their way amy amy. I suppose it depends on which metaphor you choose. This could be a boxing match where everyone's pulling the wrong kind of punches and breaking the rules or perhaps it's a game of chess and it's just become becomes so complex that rule starting to lose track but as terry suggests. It's an unusual situation but so far boris johnson has an succeeding editing forcing his way through has he is there sufficient evidence to suggest that despite the chaos actually the system the framework the skeleton of westminster. It's holding up okay. I think especially if you compare it to what's happening in the united states at this moment where we do have a constitution <hes> yet. The president continues to push pushed the boundaries. He continues to flout the norms. He's continually in court <hes> where he is being held to account for violating that constitution but that it just takes a tremendous amount of time and nonetheless he just continues <hes> along his mary way and so i don't necessarily think the answer is a constitution but it's really what's happening within the party. What i don't see in the united states is the republican party questioning the president's tactics regardless of the long term impact on our institutional norms and what i see here in the u._k. Is actually heartening for that very reason. It's an interesting situation. I think that we've found ourselves in a to say the least <hes> terry you alluded earlier to the defection of philip lee that happened yesterday. He physically got up and and crossed the floor. <hes> twenty-one m._p.'s have now being expelled by the conservative party. How much power then has fallen into the hands of jeremy corbyn. He is jeremy. Corbyn is pretty pretty much been on his feet. In the last few minutes challenging boris johnson at prime minister's questions you know again a parliamentary thing that happens every week and is still happening despite the the really bizarre circumstances of today <hes> i think jeremy corbyn it's he's only got as much power as he can get if he works together <hes> with the other parties i think the absolutely key thing now is to work with as you say some of these <hes> rebel conservatives who have made a lot of the running <hes> in terms of trying to bring a bill forward. I mean one of the people who lost the conservative whip last night with sarah letwin who's the person who is gonna tabling these motions tape to try brian get a bill which would delay brexit and prevents an ordeal brexit <hes> so you know there are a lot of people not least on his own side who are aw skeptical of <hes> of corbin's skeptical of the opposition and that is the dilemma partly for a lot of people you know do you go for an election and one of the one another the reason i say that the constitution is working if you like is we've now got this fixed term parliaments act which is brought in by the coalition government <hes> the lib dem conservative coalition government which actually means. You're a prime minister. Burston used to be able to say. I'm going to call an election. I'm going to call an election on october. The fifteenth which is when he would like when he's just said that he would like to do it <hes> he now has to get parliament to agree to that he has to get two thirds of the m._p.'s to agree to that <hes> and without jeremy corbin's <hes> agreement to that and without him getting his m._p.'s to vote for it dot com happen and just on that terry i mean it's unlikely to happen isn't it. I mean we've already had the labor opposition saying that they're not interested in elect elect an election unless the unless no deal brexit is taken off the table the s._n._p. Rollo's also on board with that liberal democrats. Is there any way forward for food boris johnson on this to be honest. I can't see what that is at the moment yes if he doesn't if you don't get the apart from calling a vote of no confidence in your in government it's very very difficult to see how he gets out of that precisely because of these provisions of the fixed term parliaments actor but as we say we're in totally uncharted territory everything can change at the moment from from one day to the next. I'm kind of reluctant to make predictions <hes> <hes> amy it's it's interesting to note here that johnson's main threat for longtime as being that he'd suspend parliament and all call an early election. Both of those threats really haven't managed to go anywhere as yet. We are in uncharted territory territory. Anything is possible. It does seem so far but <hes> i mean how your colleagues back over in the united states viewing. This must seem like an almost a mirror image when it comes to political kale's it's incredible. It is the one moment in time where i am getting repeated texan emails from people suggesting that i might have moved move to a <hes> crazier political environment than the one that i was in most recently <hes> and there's there's little i can say to that. I mean i've i've <hes> been a less <hes> learning learning lessons about british parliamentary tactics and politics that i had had no knowledge of before as i think many americans are and so we're kind of watching with interest watching with interest such a polite way putting it terry just before we move onto some of our other topics today there is still the question of what happens with the seats represented by those twenty one expelled m pei's. There's no reason to believe that whoever stands in those seats for the next election election for the conservative party is necessarily going to take that vote. How much of a gamble is that. I think that is a really interesting question that we will. We is going to be a potential problem for the conservatives saves <hes> if they do have this election short order if you look at some of the seats that are represented by <hes> these people have lost the conservative whip there in places like <hes> winchester romsey which is sort of you know south south west of england <hes> which not so long ago were held seats were held by liberal democrats. They are in large parts seats. The voted remain <hes> there in places like putney and wimbledon again in the suburbs of south west london where the majorities are quite small more if you've lost your long standing conservative m._p. Who's been kicked out of the party has been told that they're not allowed. Stand again as a conservative m p your mistrustful trustful of jeremy corbyn you can see people <hes> voting liberal democrat tick leeann seats like those the conservatives are not guaranteed to hold onto some of those seats and you you know in cases like ken. Clarke has been an m._p. Since nineteen seventy <hes> inrush cliff <hes> these these people have personal loyalty to them and i think they're causing being themselves more problems than they realized by taking out expelling some of the centrist conservative from the party. Do we're short on time but just we i. I asked ireland's price earlier on this. The part of what happens next is going to come down to the nature of how all of this happened. I mean that that question of loyalty the touched upon their that's actually going to become more important is an given how unceremoniously and publicly the sacking took place yes. I think we know you don't lose. I think his his eight former cabinet ministers including two former chancellors in the grandson of winston churchill former leadership contender you don't lose those people sack those people without having knock-on effect of the rest of the party in all of those people who have a strong following and think they have nothing to lose now <hes> and you could get other people other people following suit. Let's move on now to ireland where the u._s. Vice president. Mike pence has recently undertaken a visit pence's choice of accommodation has come under scrutiny go after he opted to stay in trump resort situated in dune big on the west coast of ireland and out dune bag is some one hundred fifty miles from the irish capital. Dublin pence was recently questioned about that decision. If you have a chance to get to doing beg you'll find. It's a fairly small place and the opportunity did you to stay at trump national doing beg to accommodate the unique footprint that comes with our security detail and other personnel made made it logical. We checked it with the state department. They approved a staying there and i was <hes>. I was pleased to have the opportunity. He was pleased to have that opportunity. Amy and it was logical in case. You didn't catch that a very logical choice <hes> explained as that as logistical decision alluding to his relatives having descended from bloomberg as well. I mean it's a bit odd isn't it's more than a bit on. I mean there. There are a couple of issues here. <hes> in the first instance logistically. There's nothing logical about this this. They're not sort of major highways running back and forth. It's not that you can sort of you know get into the helicopter and zip across the country and end up right this this added a tremendous amount of time and resources including secret service resources to the trip all of which is paid for by the taxpayers and then the second piece which is really unusual is the fact that it is in fact trump property and <hes> once again we see a member of the republican party effectively doing a little <unk> advertising for another trump property and and creating real issues about appearance of conflict of interest. I mean the cynical among us might say that. It's a very very wise branding choice vote for trump to become president and for all of this to be taking place. Let's sage purely for the sake of argument amy that this was connected to trump's needful loyalty. <hes> pence must've anticipated a bit of public outcry. Presumably he gets to stay in trump's good books. However was the the public outcry and all the blowback. That's going to come from this little worth it. I think if he wants to keep his job right trump has made really clear that if there is a suggestion that you are are not loyal to him regardless of what constitutional norms may be violated regardless of whether there are other laws that might be issue his number. One concern is loyalty and i. I think that this vice president has i twenty twenty wants to make sure he's part of the ticket knows at that's his way in and this is another way to demonstrate that he'll take it on the chin for the president <hes> he's eighties interesting. It did strike me as well that this must have something to do with his presidential aspirations because if you look at the way pence has operated over the years is in in which he's been vice president he does carry an unusual ability to remain visible at trump side and yet somewhat uncontroversial when certainly when compared to the rest of the people who come in and out of trump's orbit pens is a fairly sleepy presence. I mean that's how how long has he. He's i on this twenty twenty four goal. I think it's a tactical decision on his end. No good comes of creating a big twitter storm or news story around what you're doing with this president resident and if he can demonstrate that he's sort of a sensible choice that is will create confidence within the members of the house and senate who are often concerned about the president's <hes> various tactics but it also it it avoids putting the spotlight in on him so he can sort of get the good <hes> blowback from what trump is doing doing but escape the negative scrutiny <hes> <hes> terry. This doesn't look good obviously but does anyone actually care. I've called some people do care. I know that i don't want to say that. Everyone's turned cynical desensitized but i mean what i'm getting at is everything is controversial. Does everything stops mattering. I i don't know how much of an impact it will actually be interesting to see the reaction that this gets within orland because i think maybe people have still i mean as amy says people people are starting to sort of factor this in you've started to exp expect when if not president trump himself then members of administration come to visit in other places in europe and they will stay at the trump resorts. I mean trump even himself suggested the next g. Seven summit could be held a one of his own resorts in florida. I mean year. Yes probably they've got a big lawns and places to land your helicopter. That doesn't necessarily make them. The best places is certainly seems to be <hes> this case. I mean yes and people regularly in a go and protest near the golf courses and things like that but i think yes many people have almost started to write that off and maybe the more important thing is the question of the meetings that are actually had the meetings that were pens will have had on his trip to poland in the president stead and and other discussions and i think part of the risk is that it does then this fury about who stays wed then shot as the actual substance of the discussions and the actual substance of what these meetings than involve involve and it's quite easy to get caught up in that and and to ignore what actually you know the substance of what's going on beneath. Let's move along to hong kong where the chief executive carrie lam has announced today the withdrawal of proposed legislation that would allow enhanced extradition powell between hong kong and china now that was the bill that sparked looked protests that have carried on and wreaked havoc in hong kong for the last three months now look. This is a stencil suppose a victory for the protesters in hong kong ave reviewing it that way amy. I can't imagine if i mean if she had done this two months ago back in june when this was their primary requests than yes but at this point so much has happened. There's been so much footage of the abuse of protesters there has been a building of anger and frustration and at this point their demands hands have only increased so yes. This is is <hes> one success but it's a little bit too too little too late. <hes> <hes> terry arrange view measures were also announced including two new members of a police watchdog agency <hes> nothing necessarily about of the proper investigation into some of the behavior that was taking place and has been taking place by the police that also is likely to only anger purchased is even more. Yes exactly i mean there are now so many more demands on the protesters have had a above and beyond with during this extradition bill which was a you know as the root of original protests <hes> <hes> and it's just interesting seeing how china today is still <hes> kind of piling on the pressure. If you like on hong kong they are still talking about you. The protest is being rioters. They're talking about people being political terrorists who are bent on seizing power and i think that kind of reaction from china is is not going to make make people happy because they're going to say one of our demands is having direct elections our own chief executive and once you know it's very hard to give up on lots and the china hong kong's chief executive carolina's now stuck between completely between a rock and a hard place. She's reported to have said that she wants to leave but she can't <hes> and so the hong kong executive itself is now in a very weak position and i think people have been out protesting the last three months again to sense that <hes> <hes> and just finally on this <hes> amy as terry was saying that that recording of caroline that was published by reuters recently as she was speaking to a group of business executives <hes> she. She said that she would like to step down if she could <hes> we know what the suggestion was but once the specs now that given how far these protests protests have gone that this action and really no realistic action from the government in hong kong given the control that beijing has is going to <hes> do anything to to quell the anger of the protesters. Are we looking at a situation where hong kong in the foreseeable future is going to be in the grip of these sorts the protests every weekend. I'm not your last every weekend but what i do think the very instructive lesson from watching these protests take places the influence fluence that china has tried to exert over multinational businesses and i think that's the issue that we really need to be paying attention to when you have the chinese government saying dang. We want you to turn over. These people are terminate. These people you know that that is at the heart of the issue with the company like wow way how much influence can the government exert over a multinational multi-national business and what does that mean for stakeholders around the world. It's a very tense time in hong kong and will certainly continue following that story which no doubt <hes> will continue despite the actions of carrie lam today amy pope and terrorist. 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It's nice to have you here with us today thank you your new book is subtitled the battle for the soul of turkey. How would you describe the current state or status of that battle. I think at the moment mm-hmm and it's really a tipping point. I mean i i if you follow turkey or no the earlier this year. I'd want the country into local elections which he framed. There's a kind of do or die battle as a referendum on his own popularity and he did appallingly in them he <hes> he lost control of the major cisse's. <hes> a kurdish party did fall veteran the southeastern. Everyone's expecting and i think what this is really ushered. In as a kind of tipping point <hes> over the past sixteen years he's been in power or do on a strange that might sound has used the rhetoric of democracy to great effect. He talks about enacting the will of the people <hes> about expanding democracy and with what what happened in local elections share in his attempts also to <hes> roebuck the results those elections to recall them to overturn the results ready that veneer of democracy he has been taken off so i think we're tipping point where he could either <hes>. It's raining some more authoritarian tendencies or i think more more likely go on to become a more unveiled <hes> authoritarian leader <hes>. It's interesting when we look at how how it's possible for someone i want to become authoritarian. It's tempting to file dictators in the same box. Of course everyone is different in many ways not least in that his elections on always assure you bet and i mean how deep do the divisions in the country's ruling institutions run yeah i mean i think this is really kind of interesting feature of what i would call the new wave of authoritarians then not authoritarians in the sense that for example assad or saddam hussein used to be where they just completely fake electoral victories ninety seven seven victories no to another leaders like him. They rest very heavily on this idea that there is a constituency constituency in that country that could feasibly overthrow them <hes> and it's the sense of threat that they used the galvanize supporters so for example in erdman's case <hes> a lot of his rhetoric centers around the country was like before he came when it was run by secularists when people who are openly pious so women you would think headscarf for example were banned from studying in universities unless they removed it so he weighs very heavily on this idea that there is this. This message situation is country which could overthrow him very feasibly. It's really sort of politics of fair division. So that's the way that the one rules much of that must depend on maintaining some degree of popular support however and looking at this from an outside perspective active and given the changes that turkey has has been through one one can only imagine that there must be so many people in turkey who were alarmed and the direction the country is taking how does is that role of popular support play into one's ability to maintain his grip on power. I think you're absolutely right. I mean he's a populist in the pure sense. He's never happier the money's on stage in front of fanatics shouting his name. This is where he looks most at home <hes> but i think again what's happened. This year in these elections is that he for the first time is starting to falter in his judgment of the popular mood in his country <hes> he he's taken the country. I've often necessarily two thousand thirteen in time. There's been seven rounds of elections and the referendum he's appeared to be kind of addicted to the electoral cycle <hes> and as you you say the margins roy is very narrow but up until this year it was almost entirely certain that he was going to win either because he was generally going to win or you had had such control of the media and <hes> the electoral institutions that he could tinkering with logos and win but i think now what we're you're saying is <hes> is kind of judgment faltering and that's partly down to the kind of classic thing that happened. Authoritarian leads is when the click around them shrinks and becomes composed of yes men which is what happened with that one now he's surrounded by people who treat him as a god who tell him that everything he does his rights and i think he's really really started to lose touch with <hes> with what turkish people think <hes> yeah i i think we can say the techie there's probably core of about twenty to thirty percent of the of voters who will stick with him whatever but the rest of his support over the years which has come from for example businessman who liked what he did with the economy economy or in the early days liberals who thought that he was taking taking a more liberal direction these people have really pilled away from the party so again eight reaching a critical stage for him now he i think after the elections this year he knows the he is not nearly as popular as he once was so the question now is how does he then deal with that housi- continue to rule not knowledge i mean was this something that always followed him from his early days as as a politician i mean when you look at someone like other one would expect that oh maybe he's always had ambitions to have that sort of authoritarian grip on power but even when he was the mayor of istanbul tumble was this style of politics and and aspirational leadership was that something that was always present in the political psyche of at one. I mean certainly certainly looking back from today looking back with hindsight you can certainly find evidence of that. He made very famous comment when he was married to stumble when he said the <hes> democracy is like a train you writer until you've reached your destination and then you can get off and this is something that cited quite often certainly if you talk to most turkish people today they will say you know. We always knew that that he was gonna like that but i think you know when you saw looks more closely people pulled into his night because at the beginning he was genuinely popular both in turkey and in the wider world he was seen as a reformer he was seen as somebody who was going mm to tame the power of the military which was the kind of biggest antidemocratic force in turkey at that time <hes> and it was only. I guess it sort of happened happened in stages you know it's not overnight that somebody becomes authoritarian but you can certainly see turning points over the over the decade and a half that he's been in power the of the ones that i've witnessed persons journalists in turkey certainly the park protests early twenty thirteen <hes> they were the first real mass opposition to his rule and it was so telling the way that he responded to that <hes> you know sending in the police take some water cannons rather than <hes> talking with the protesters as of the people in his party party wanted and from that mental we then saw the kind of sharing away of critical voices within this policy <hes> his growing crackdown on the media <hes> <hes> and and certainly since two thousand sixteen since the failed coup against him. Everything has escalated. What's the biggest fear for one at the moment. If if there's one thing that could really be the undoing avert a one what would it be. I think at this point the economy yeah i i mean if you look at <hes> economy structurally eight. It's kind of hollow bauble you comes istanbul and you see no end of new developments <hes> but when you look into these are all built on credits. It's a it's a criticism construction economy <hes> in many ways the kind of day today financial habits of turks moment remind me of of britain ten years ago before for the crash. Everybody's living on credit cards. The turkish friends have three or four credit cards which that kind of circulating paying each other off and you can scouts out. It's a a corporate level and to a state level as well. Everything is unburied cash <hes> odu on highs in recent months. <hes> removed the head of the central bank. The central bank is no longer independent. He has his own ideas about interest rates now. Conventional economic wisdom would say if inflation and he's going opposite is intact. You should also raise interest rates to turn rain and spending his head g should do the other way round. He's keeping interest rates low <hes> and that's led to a drop in the value of the lira which means that most companies which have <hes> debts in foreign currency which which is most of turkey's struggling to pay them back so yeah. I think all these things are kind of creeping up on him. He's trying to bite them off with nativist rhetoric seen him you you know often. He likes to blame foreign speculators as he calls them on occasion. He's evens who blamed the jews is quite incredible but i mean for how long can he continued to use that kind of rhetoric to butter off. I mean you one thing about the circus very business minded people <hes> and on you know i i think he's well aware of his support. From the early days came from the business community and came from people who were happy with tech his economic boom. I'm and conversely that the people who go against him now. Everything's starting to go wrong. It's an intriguing tale. Listen to smith your new book the other one rising the battle for the soul of turkey. It's published by harper collins out tomorrow. Thanks very much for coming in. You're listening to the briefing on monocle twenty evil and it is ten in minutes to at thirteen hundred he in london. You're listening to the briefing here on call twenty four with me ben ryland and daniel h has popped into the studio with a stack doc of newspapers to make us through daniel. What have you been reading today. Everything from across canada really ben and it being september now. The labor day holiday in canada over kids back to school attention has actually turned finally to the federal election which is coming up in about six weeks another election. We've got enough off of them. We don't need another. We have a lot of those and ben on the show. You and i have talked about the troubles for justin trudeau but i wanted to look at some of the other story lines that they're starting to crop up now that the attention in the media and in the public conscious has flipped over to this election an interesting one coming out of <hes> both quebec and the east coast the m._v._p. The new democratic party in canada is the third party considered sort of they cast themselves as the change enj- makers interesting in canada. We don't really have a history of coalition so they never really play a factor but they are a sizable voice and have been in opposition in recent years. I well <hes> in new brunswick this week. <hes> they lost a lot of party members more than a dozen candidates <hes> former <hes> <hes> elected officials have flipped to the green party which is really interesting and actually quite devastating because it comes as they're trying to register candidates for this this upcoming election <hes> so that was one really interesting a story and <hes> they've sort of tied that to the lack of a voice of jagmeet singh who who is the party leader as you can see him there <hes> the sharp gentleman and the double breasted suit. He's never actually been to new brunswick but now in damage control. He's planning to go there but they've already lost as i say they've already lost <hes> about a dozen people <hes> to the green party which good maybe that new voice of progressive change in canada. They've only ever had the leader of the party <hes> as a federal m._p. So we'll see what happens. That's a really interesting story line out of new brunswick and eastern canada on the atlantic coast. I wanna flip now to quebec <hes> and this is a story <hes> from the ottawa citizen and it's about also jagmeet. It's in the seeing the gentleman there in the turbine with the nice <hes> nice beard and the double-breasted suit well. That's also him ben and then you hang on a minute. This look like the same man. It is absolutely the same man. He's looking a little bit like jason. Momoa finds exactly with what he looks exactly so. There's this show <hes> canadian in show that was played on net flix called frontier where he played a fur trader called declan harp the actor jason moment. That's what i think. He looks like anyways he is pitching to quebec quebec voters <hes> in a way that is trying to cast himself as one of them as i'm not different <hes> because it can be quite polarized place and he really wants to win over voters there years ago an old leader of that same party <hes> jack layton who sadly has passed away was able to shift the tide for away from the liberals and the nationalists quebec wa m._p.'s and sort of it. They called tied. They took over this province in one of the federal elections. Well well jagmeet. Singh would love for that to happen. He's he's put out this new video where it shows him. He says my identity is my pride and he's trying to sort of compare that to quebec while people in show. He's just a normal canadian. He's he's shown boxing shown out running. He shown tying up yeah. That's the sounds to me. That would be very unusual to me. <hes> then you'll time is against us. Tell us of one or two sentences about this story that i gotta say quite intriguing. It's about <hes> what articulated light rail vehicles please explain yeah <hes> so toronto's bendy streetcars which came in the late eighties so that's like two streetcars car slammed together with a slinky in the middle while they're taking those off road tweet here a little bit of that ah famous sound of <hes> toronto that's an authentic toronto streetcar so so the getting rid of those and going more modern and and <hes> i it's a sad day but we'll still have the <hes> the the sounds of the grinding rails over at queen street queens queen in st westerns banana. That is the famous street cars. I've got to say there are some things that i miss about melbourne. Somethings i don't miss the sound of a noisy tran. Perhaps not one of them. <hes> daniel beach will have to leave. Thanks for joining us and finally today fans of wildlife your in luck. Finland has been named the best country to visit if you would like to see some wildlife joined on the line by monaco's helsinki correspondent petrie birds of petrie thanks for jumping on we are talking about the global wildlife travel index twenty nineteen. Tell us what about so yes. The index ranked countries. He's over one hundred countries around the world on its wildlife travel offering and they looked at <hes> factors such as what life biodiversity <hes> the number of national parks <hes> coins ovation efforts and protecting natural areas and this year they change their metrics slightly and they increase their focus on environmental sustainability which i suppose one of the reasons why finland came on top of this year. So what kind of wildlife would we be talking about inven- land so lots of wildlife. I think very good analogy actually is to think of finland as europe's canada writes most of the people finland is a really large country almost decisive franz. Most people live in the south over over half of the country is just wilderness you know actually classified as europe's final and and last wilderness area <hes> seventy percent of the country is covered with forest we have over two hundred thousand lakes we have moose and bears and wolverines since then and such a inhabiting those force so do people need to be quite aware of some of the wildlife. I mean going to finland to experience some of it. <hes> what are those sorts of things you might need to consider before venturing out into the great outdoors. I think actually if you need to be aware of the mosquitoes they're the most annoying wants. <hes> i think in the south in central parts you're going to be quite safe. You don't really have to where you might bump into a moose or deer but you know they. They don't do anything. Just stare at you <hes> <hes> but that said if you if you travel in lapland and i have a very fond memory of meeting my girlfriend's grandfather for the first time and and going for an evening running joke and he warned me that i might just bump into a bear and if i do i just have to play dead so you know you do have to take those things into consideration. I think i'd much prefer referred to enter a staring contest with a moose than a bear petrie. Tell me what you think. Finland has topped the child. Then i mean there are certain of a certain aspects to to finland's wildlife that really excite people beyond other countries that might have been nearing the top i think i think one of the key reasons is is that finland is this. Is you know you can still kind of be meet. Some some kind of animals and nature that is in in this wilderness states which which is something that you cannot in in most countries around the world fins and and people here have a very a close connection with nature finland is a country that urbanized quite quite late and you know we spent <hes> several weeks of the year at our summer have been so so you know we have we do have this very close connection with with with the nature which i think is is behind also why we like to conserve it petrie just finally <hes> if you had to nominate nominate a favourite finish animal what would it be. You know what it would probably be. The seal the finish seal all they do is just sleep and it kind of bask in the sun most most of the day what a life it would be patriot butts off in helsinki. Thank you very much for joining us here on the briefing. That's all full today's program. 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Episode 146 w/ Talib Kweli and Dead Prez

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Episode 146 w/ Talib Kweli and Dead Prez

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After one half of one very excited about this episode because so much political issues as so much things happen, and our coach is great to have people as a mind body and soul who can actually speak, and, you know, speak articulate to our people, the three guessing all lessons. One is from a phenomenal group that has one of the one of the best records in hip hop ever. What? We got another brother. Brooklyn's all you know, what I'm saying in and we put them together we figured these abo- politically people people I want to speak for the coach show up. These brothers three quarters in front of us. There's only TI I would like other than them. And if you don't know how to talk about my dad press while he make. While we make. Back. Now, you like author you I want to access question. Do I let me ask you consider yourself conscious Rapids? You know, I I'm just gonna start off when I could get in. I I stay away from that conscious kind of title leaning, in fact, no boxes because. To insinuate that. I'm conscious with anyway, what did you you're not conscious that and I think that that's I think this super consciousness and people in places people in places that people don't consider what they will call congress. Oh, yeah. I like fuck. Yeah. I mean same way, it's it's like you do it to do grow. Learn and people try to put it in a box. You know, what I mean, we're gonna make some noise humidity person that could bring Campbell drink camps. Green. Sponsored by -tunities. I saw that you picked up today. Yeah. You know what? I mean, we figuring it out. But I mean, sometimes we go we're going to do things political in nature. We're going to do things personal spiritual is really all connected. But you know, what I'm saying like everything connect to. I mean. Yeah. Agree with my brothers. We've been dealing with this for a long time artists conscious is awareness aware of what you do when you conscious, you know, he's made records where there might not because a conscious rat what he's aware of what he's saying. When. And I think what consciousness in in the marketing sense. When it gets convoluted because ain't never all being conscious exam. But a lot of artists that are concerts that are not getting credit for it that do have those records on the album, but hip hop is marketed in a way where you know. Sex sounds violence cells. Thanks to rhythm selves, rapid out money and decadent cells, especially the people who grew up eight had nothing. So. They used the term consciousness. I think you see pushback from artists like that prides myself, not that we don't embrace the conscious nature. But the pushback as artists artists nature did not boxed in. I kind of like they will say backpack artists were like the conscious sees. Before the back page was meant. But did I. It's one hundred both together anybody to somewhere where it started. The message in and care is one for me personally care Iraq, Kim that pecker which I was a part of like the rock is movement. There was a lot of cats was in the backpack our wasn't conscious chief all right high and mighty they will make records about porn. Conscious because they were so shaded with it independent. My state reporting assume like slum village, Dave records, be very sexual and J Diller wrath about been chains and big trucks and all that. But because he's making music that feels like a certain type of feels like tropic west feel like a certain sonically automatically assume that is is is got to be positive all the time. You know, what's funny when you say that 'cause when I like a tribe called quest. I think fight is not being drawn. I think of you know, 'cause he was always like signing two more positive lane is so. But when you get caught a conscious rap because I ever seen. That's what a lot of people think being conscious automatically means to be a positive orders. What I was gonna ask. But I don't think. That's what I was gonna ask. But I don't think. That because as a service should be. Is you try to put a boxing with a record like America Balchik debt, which is? This is a miracle. Use about who took that. Society. Took win for none of that adult dope. This out past the second Trina. It wasn't. It was. So what do you do their record wind? That's you can learn from anybody. This is. Sorry, sorry. But in general, like, for example, trip outside of Miami isn't considered like, Livermore Russell mind. Jay Z of mine. Disagree with you, not get up from my. About but we into New York look Detrick we got to allow for you took a while. Took a while coach from he was what he was because spoke in Miami, right, Tallahassee. Yeah. We met in Florida. I all comes down here going to Florida and him university do over really from Florida. No, no, no from Florida was Brooklyn Brooklyn from Brooklyn, Google did fuck me up. Doc, let's say Jeb Brooklyn group on PD. In Brooklyn, really lagged. Like when we we decided that we migrate from Tallahassee of northern. We. Brooklyn. They used to come to my bookstore or before any of you wrote museum. Yeah. Was it being loud on wasn't on the whack loud? Like you. You know, there was the beginning. They'll be mad. They'll be mad. Three. Pun- Maltepe jaw was the loud loud. And it came in when I was visiting from Florida. That's that's exactly. Exactly our records. And we we we had extreme we was like while. I was so. The same by who's on. And we just made a choice like we go to New York. And we you know, we see what to do. Right. But when we got when we got a New York thing we had like nine hundred dollars. Maybe. Which is a kid. I know. Laura, jane? That's how we got connected. It was that was the label that we saw in Florida. We went through meeting all rut, we met. Russell Simmons a bunch of cats. Russell gardening to violent. At that time, then we grow he says so much and you believe that shit. I can't hear. That's great. Back. Decide didn't sign of lack poet, he's poets you mixed. But yeah, it was a beautiful time to be in that in that space. We grew from it a lot. We definitely knew what we wanted to do. And where we wanted to be. But we didn't know how much it would change us to be around artists of that caliber and trying to make our music. Up to that standard. We would like we don't be here. We got some say, but then we got involved in the process, and that really grew up a lot it's artist was it was it wasn't different because it become a corporate. Before that. Better. You know, you to keep it. I'm a mean being on depth jam. And then when when we could smoke in the building, and there was a certain time you hit they kick the haircut man the way the dice man away to delete out the building. And then the building just became different, and it was corporate. Now, there's people Vendee will do it. I remember loud going through that process actually before def jam so. Star missing. Oh, wait a minute coming man. It was a whole lot was learning. Like like one day. I know what you're waiting. Out of reason to check any ready and all that. So one day we started was up there, and they all dirty so Martin so other case at all. Picking. So gert. So he so he was in the in the office and they have sex. He was I won't taking something out of here. Karen, the speakers he. He. And rooms to listen. So they must. So it was just little things that we was learning. We got to work with punt just being on the same label and different things like that. But it's changed that that that era was don't because like in allow that has collab- it felt like a team. Nobody one on one sit. It was like everybody want everybody to win. And we kinda was we could merge on shit in different ways. I mean, the checks was paying the broke down the corporation Iraq, put a veil and stop the balance because there was some checks and balances that had to happen. Like, you say artists run the labels directly to the president office in Steve office like. At that happened. You couldn't even do that. I remember they want security. You couldn't have two year. They're going there. What you're saying shit right now, so really started being bureaucracy. Instead of like hip hop. Eat. I'm saying. Toddler because rocking. To me, tell me for more. See the e kinda seems like the put together if the right thing, I think it's TD may be raucous. But from a street perspective, I rockets and relic got it too. I. Role. Terrain. I t the might be more leaning towards like, you know, smart music than what I say the outcome on conscious music kindred to me is can lean towards that side. I learned something when I was in the cannot know what you mean. But his backstory is is a fishing like raucous stage almost. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Walk you. I got a lot of love for Jared, and Brian, but they didn't come from the coach they came from Brown University outside of the culture, they loved it. They love music. Okay. Let's Browns when he met Jared, Brian ruckus school. And that's okay. Yes. Yeah. They they they came into it with the business plan, but being fans at a music what I'm saying. And they saw they had a vision vision was they aren't they saw a hole in the marketplace for vinyl and the independent, you know, should bam Deeks. The black stars company flow stuff like that that stuff is really bubbling it had coach really LP. Now, we run the jewels. Really? He was he was kind of leading the charge, and I feel like they kind of piggyback LP's movement, and how to grow bigger they thinking checks in. But but I think that you know, they got caught up with Fairmont record dropped and then big door pit bulls. Zoning heavy played on the radio. The mantra rock as went from independent as fuck to. Let's get these records on the right there on the radio yet, they changed which was. All. You know, what they wanted the regional business market wasn't. They were signing artists like they last emperor. But then I remember like they try to make them go to gym or some like he hated it. Even remember that he he did go to the gym. No, he got out of buffer say then they stop g rap, but he had a record jagged edge g rap jagged edge, which on paper. I guess makes sense in trying to create a radio hit. But that's not an honest way to make news not in the real world now. So you know, there was another there was they assigned cocoa cocoa B's. But I remember the artists like we have free. Rein me, most company flow. We were delivering records the records. We want to make the next after Farrell office says the artists Rookus to have their free rein any and if he's started becoming assess ought to work a little Kim actually jumped in actually brung it. It was it was method read jumped on. Oh, it was big. I mean, usually I went to see motley Crue before last year at Tommy Lee does his drum solo. Sign set for me Bill came from up in the eighties. See Molly crew performing a record that came out on the label that I was like, okay. This is this is one of the biggest records are all talented. It gets crazy lawsuit for that. Did the cutted rookies? Yes, Farrow, and that was the hip. About totally worth. So now most Deppish by Bersin got deported and undeployed with. America back kick it kicked out of America as an kicked out American now. Not not not born in America. If you bought in America, you can't get kicked out American for. Yes, they kick. Everybody out. If you'll like it on the slick of for. Two. You know, it's funny about most would that happen during the Trump era with most we'll see what most I think with the situation with him was more of a situation where he was in South Africa. He was booked to do a show, and he had a problem with to promote he had an issue, and he for whatever reason due to show, and I think the promoters trying to cover his ass. If you trace their story back Pretoria's promoter wasn't most put out a statement. It was a show promoter said most death is banned from the country, right? From from American for not that can't Mars. Yeah. They never said that. When I heard it. Yeah. He stayed though. He didn't come back to here's eight he has he did have to pass for issues at South Africa. But those issues he added South Africa. Haddish preventing it from traveling period year. And he saw that he worked at we'd be doing a lot of shows that she has been been good which is stupid though show in DC together with them to yet. Crazy that was a crazy night beautiful night. Where we though when he was overseeing, I'm I went to a lot. I went I went to go. See we're in Johannesburg. No capetown. I was a kid. Came down with these guys. Yeah. We did we kicked all over. That was a crazy time. We'll make so unapologetically like black were. This episode is brought to you by Charlotte's web, the world's most trusted hemp extract CBD is gaining popularity in the health and wellness world. It feels like everyone is talking about it. And I wanted to Charlotte's web there an industry leader who sells broad spectrum whole plant hemp extract CBD in the forms of oil capsules and topical. Charlotte's web. CBD isn't intoxicating, but it does add some pretty powerful benefits working with your buddies existing Endo cannabinoid system, people love Charlotte's web oils and capsules because they support management of everyday stresses help and supporting restful sleep cycles and maintaining a sense of common. 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Gotta be over to love Malcolm love, you know, the crewmen love, my my my leaders. But man, like hip, hop, put it in plain English. That's the term that came for Fred Hampton, sing head of Black Panther party. If anybody know playing proletarians proletarian, just means that people and talk. Inside ended the day when you when they really come in the competition really comes down to and all the way from and you really talk real talk. It sounds like what we were saying what we say. It's not that's not. I mean, what we the music. We make is not. I mean in call unapologetically black. We are just who we are authentic people talking about what's really happening. I guess others comes off as this blackness. But if you were in my shoes, you would say what I say. What I mean is just a human conversation and that and I think that's where hip populate. It's not that way now. But at one point at the point that we knew that we wanted to be writing words down we didn't even have to think about what he'd be on the radio win black people just need to hear what the fuck we. We just want to say shit and happy to hear what that is. It didn't have a agenda. You know, what I'm saying with music? Is based on values in what you value. You know, you have some success doing something that somebody else tell you is is okay. Yeah. But I feel like success the youth. You know, what I mean or do you? Did you come you had your opportunity like what what did you do with it for me that was more important than anything else? I know what I had to say how feel I know is not being said, no where I'm from NAMI, so's about repping our values. And then I think why because I don't think he's the best. Produces the best rappers or nothing like that. But I feel like it's such a lack of real shit real real should stay a stand up. You know, twenty years later still big in the hip hop, which still because we had because we act like in the theater of it. We act like it's all about that. Right. You know what? I mean when we like we own kids. We don't live real loud. We want to just be taking the veil off. And you know, that's the best music that Stevie best music. That's literally best ball rita's of. What? On christmas. Yes. You're looking over the cool shit is like comparing. I'm not comparing you guys creatures passes over that way. That was that was the shit about like scare people from church was the past the priests. Holy of the Dow, so when you see a person less PM 'perfect, you don't wanna go there. When you see a person be regular when you see a person that can kiss them not as still smoke a blunt, which you that's always attractive? It's always easy to get the mission of the matter. How old is how different we are. And like we always do units. I just gotta add on just as a C. You know, I got with stick with saying about, you know, his even being humble saying, we're not the best rappers and everything, but I got to say as a student of 'em sued though, I hear like, and you know, with the production to I know y'all making beats. Hip hop. Maybe do making museum. That's what I'm saying. Like minded that like appreciate their job is to be humble. That's my job is to. It's a big my brother, you know, saying like me personally, what debt razz met from me as an artist because we, you know, we started our careers at the same time, and they kept me on my fucking tires like crab mixed. Yeah. Yeah. And when you think about this this a lot of great music that that these brothers are put out for mixed tapes to albums, but we think about the impact of let's give free and what what they were talking about like students. They were studying. It was like a plan. It's like, okay, we not we when you listen to those styles, and the when you say you studying mob deepen tank exactly you hear that on the right? That is very they're way that Rex no fighting Wayne would you save with with with the chairman say like, you know, when you say wolves like they were saying, very d- schools, don't teach shit. You know, what I'm saying like saying be healthy is very direct like planned out pointing program to messages like the message is important. And everybody has genders. And I'm saying like if somebody tell you, I don't have no agenda. That's a lie. Jerry, what is your gender agenda compassion is a gesture of freedom is it is it is a family agenda, and they agenda was so so clear of that. I feel like a complete mass produced that record records. At least unsung hero has a producer in general and as a year. And now I'm talking about untrained when I met him. I have to say I came to Tallahassee Florida trying to go to Florida am university any burning hard, but this burning mass my suit, those good, I want to say, and yours you should've should've burned that he just star backburning secret shit. But but. To say I met him and his like as coming from New York. I never really thought I would meet someone and Tallahassee Florida who had certain strong hip hop fundamental. That will move me in the way that I felt. Why? I'm going to say that you've got. Has stayed actor Brooklyn. No. You're not Z said, I'm killing them scenes, Tallahassee the conflict, and so there's this Lassie. I'm not trying to say that mean, I'm just saying I didn't expect it killer him see rock him flows. Like morning rock flow top Tommy. And but when he took into the studio and told me about how he some using. And how he heard musing, listen, the miles. Davis talk to blow your head of kid. I'm just telling you it was. Because I as a brother we learned from each other, and we listened to the same records, and we we managed man still shopping still, but he was doing things with that EPS, plus which turned into the air saw that made me say resins, not doing this. Nobody nigga bape havoc. The ain't he her have. But he wasn't doing doing stick right ask. What made hip hop? That's the last record on the album that we from less free because they was like Alan and guiding them for the radio, and we say what's that say, hey, how which was exactly like that plan making a joke. But it was his beat made in the closet on APS. And he just moved sit like our own and was and. To him. It was a joke where it came from years and years and use it year, the triangle. Yeah. Yeah. Making that you don't see that. That sound from you know, what I'm saying from Florida, right? The news to hit the call drive by with with the Trump. Mike jam pony. Dot com. That was like all right. Anna was like Florida coach than anybody else. Sort out to me. It was like the last the last thing we had we have made wolves we have made police day everything. And he said, well, we want to say, right? And then everybody's like you need a single. And like he said, it was more. Like, I started just thinking when I was growing up. What was the most? Middle fingers. You know, what I mean, the sound wise? You know what? I mean. That's what I thought of not schist basically knows crazy saying that we made to blast because the label was like, yeah. I don't have a single and the whole thing was like all right. Well, I'm just teasing how to pronounce my name wasn't on. That. Would. We said we said what I had to say seventy had to say, we turn the record in like, there's a direct, you know? And it was like you need another one. Great. I'm gonna tell you something is discovered. You just wait on the move fast. I'm gonna give it another segue. Coop. Through santi. Who was working with artists who working with Rockefeller records? We Mashaal CF evac Val. Now, see that's Lau. Not yet Lau an ause. They like we got hop. But we want to make a remix. So they win got all these produces and low and behold, they brought kayak and so kind yet west came to the studio, and we made a remix of hip hop, which is on let's give as well. As called bigger than hip hop. And he wrote the hook on with us, and all that grab your tears if you love big poppa. Banged. It is if you miss it. I got anybody yet bone. I gotta say that like like all these all these producers were moved by that. But I found right kind gate guess it was came juicy j right made a remix for hop. Wean us. I wish I. Everyone. Okay. For y'all would a new Nick is on the tour. Y'all was rookies in the crew but win on that tour y'all would perform hip hop. And then after everybody went on. And it don't matter if it was common gang Starr, big daddy Kane wherever the guest after the roots finish they big song. We all came back. Everybody on that Bill, and they did hip hop again every night, and that's how David peril got with us. And right. Can I use that? But for the intro, that's right on that on that. Okay. After them last. That much. And I appreciate it to when y'all showed us, you know, you tackle and lows y'all open y'all world. Us. We've come for Florida Ray, we are your hood. And you said to stay we'll come to the show you like outcome. Route just made our share really. You know what I'm saying on? How y'all really like Loudon really know they want connect- Enwright y'all helped us like have that national audience, really, really? Got more. Let's stop. I got more. Most definitely I got fifteen albums. Most got four five rap here. Rep Stich verse everybody. Why don't they? I think most is har- with the state of affairs in the music business, not visible entertainment in general, just my experience status. Not he's not being creative. It's not these not aspired to be creative. He just don't like the music business. He don't like to the rigmarole of deal with the bullshit to come with the industry, and I think it's extend to with politics lifestyle. And you know, I think he's tried to live a very spiritual humble life. And as far he's charismatic very put a so monies. With so much artist to fan space right now, we have this. This is weird. Like, I mean, honestly, it could honestly like aren't don't you have a lot of yourself for that. You know, you you give up a lot here. You know me. I'm on Twitter all the time. And it's like I told you about. When you argue with everybody. Right. Chance. I gotta show. But I think also you give peace in that. Like one thing about that. Is that on you know, I look at people like most who don't he has no social network, he's not Instagram Twitter fate. None of that. You give a piece of for yourself, and you know, very aware of my lane and mop position in business. I have a lot of respect from brothers like y'all, and that's what I live for. And I loved that. But most deaf he's more internationally recognized than I what I'm saying. So he has he interests more responsibility. He has more people be tugging at him. There. People who have are more famous than me who don't necessarily maybe need to be on a social network at the same way. Some some like I try to use it as a tool you see on a lot always tried to drive traffic to what I'm doing. I try to use because I don't got Dell beyond say marketing dollars, and I want people to know what I'm doing. I use Twitter creed knock created, but harnesses platform for what I. But, but I also learned from you know, people like most who don't who don't who who have created platforms. Whereas you gotta come for him. Most most will cancel seven shows show up and you still show up. Now, you show up to the castle one and you come back. Do learn about the the younger generation is dead there. There's this artist to consume. Yeah. That dope. Dope. Dope. Like, you know, other than any. No soundcloud like race out. They actually just make a straight artists to consumer zoom. Did that sound cloud part out of it? I think that the music business is gonna start coming back ours. That's why got quality club which I got for Ryan. Leslie, he built it for me. He's like, oh, wow. You you drink website. You by my CD's, my vinyl. Get my digital books. The bookstore where I used to kick it with. I have that bookstore online. Those books are in the cramped right now. Yeah. From Jack sold comics and graphic now. Okay. Thank you. I got you know, what I'm saying look at the database. Traded books. No, you know. But this this platform is designed new looked at all these other platforms and all these other places in ten years in his game. People wanna kick you out new what to say, you can say you wash up in once that you don't say you can't do it. Again. That's not what this platform is for the calls for people ten years old and elbow. That's has played the game. Right. Play the game. You know what I'm saying? Don't do the way it's supposed to be and should be on it. The thing is I don't wanna on you. Let them go say dead press one of the dope this booking two men groups when you gone because you can't even hear that right on. I'm saying I wanna get your flowers way. Now, you could smell them your thoughts when you can think of and drink some you can drink them when you're smokes, we you soak. You so. And that's real shit off. And it doesn't take away. It doesn't take away. 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And then, you know, get get to get the stock hustle. Let's do drink champs this go. It doesn't matter. How much I come on your block if young people wanna fuck what you they're gonna. So why even even do that? I just came into the motherfuckers folk focus I like to go places where I'm celebrated not tolerate. You don't have to ask. So sometimes I'll take some less because I know these people were with me mall, 'cause they let them celebrated walk in the room and like. Is getting more for somewhere else? And sometimes you just just just like I got that's sometimes that's the definition of selling. So what this climate going on? You know, you said it's name I was gonna try to avoid it for as much as I can. The Westminster west. Mr. Westminster Webb who. That's the whole weighing on his album Cornell west. Wishing that Mr. west needs that Mr. west. Okay. Well, before we go onto that. Because the reason why especially for me asking you guys this question as opposed to me Eva, asking Tian or even asking other our other guests on here recently. You guys know Conway. You like what he's saying? You know, you want to go back to the real actually know the boy before they. I'm not a Buba. But when I do Google, and I both both of y'all came up on my dad, I gotta void this one. I want you to describe to me. The difference between the brother that I met. Are your round this guy? Now, all we don't really know is this. I think it's the same. Okay. No. That. My little wage right there too. Right. That's wrong. There's RAV yes, he did. Okay. If you if you let me think it's the same. Do you know Kanye west is kind of our Tom. He's a genius. Genius. He's very any fashion thing that he knows about that. I can't fuck with him on the east. He's his knowledge is just infinite when it comes to certain things there's a lot of things that he's misinformed about. When I first started doing shows with their pres-. We do we do a lot of fundraisers and work with organizations like not mix grassroots movement and refuse and resist. And and all these organizations and one thing that I took to heart back in the day was a lot of those real activists would give political education. You know what I'm saying? Like before we got stage. I feel like that press have a lot more political education and most I feel like I got a lot more political education than most people. But even even us we needed more pointers steps to what to what the talking points for the movement. Was we had? Oh, jeez. I feel like as the leader of of a generation who looks up to him who about re tweets and likes and engagement, and there's no g knowledge in there's no political education. The problem living. What you hundred but he goes in caters to that audience agree with one may agree with you. But he'll go God. As a brother as Bradman as a fellow artist in hip hop. Are we start the job they'll saying we steam saying aims actually see him around? Like, I think it's time. He sit down with me because of the platform we over volt TV. You don't said which trying to be voted, right? You don't say we're trying to grow side the box. I'm kind of this is why we doesn't see and this crazy because I heard of this is that much of. Thinking he's being a troll. I heard over that that gate easy outlet gate album. It's a regional name was Hitler. Yeah. I don't know about that. I do know like I've. What if it was? It was what's what does that set to you? Okay. I have no idea. Hill. He's a disruptor. He's he will. Onto versa. He knows how to how to stir it. So what does that say to you? Because to me it says something to, but I don't know. If we don't talk on it out think we should talk on the speculative. Right. That's true. I do think, but we did see a saying loves down the. We had to trade draft. At least four we trapped. Got the trade. That's ninety. Scott starts to somebody. Chai county is severely misinformed. I think he's a fairly misinform. I think he's not reading I think based on my conversations with him from Spanish from fifteen years ago to two months ago that he is not a he doesn't know politics. He don't know history. He don't know. I think the problem is is that when it comes to his career entertainer. He's been so brilliant you so yes. So successful that we think correct. Right. So everything he does is I'm gonna do this at work. I'm gonna do that ugly. He's these. Every. Everything worked ten you. Then you thinking that this is gonna work you hit a record did with Yana and Naza and all that I was working on a recommend kind. You had a record fos again. You know what I'm saying? I was in his house a year ago you like those records, I didn't hear okay, I hear all the say. Fiancee. But but he says to me in this house in the studio how living in Calabasas while Drake was there was hard on him because he was felt the competitive energy and how Drake moved away his he had his creative rush. You know what I'm saying? Which to me, I'm like, yo how you let this next man affect your energy. This is my felt, but I didn't speak on at the time. Now, see how two years played out. You know what I'm saying? And I feel like a lot of what he's doing. You know what I'm saying? China wants to be number one. He wants to be talked about all the time. And if somebody's talking he spent all last year talking about how don't drink was and every interview number rapper Drake in more ramp. I feel like he's triggered by Drake. I feel like he's triggered by Bama calling them a jackass, and I felt like he just wants to be liked and he's misinformed. And I think it'll be. Be honest. That's the fucking most sensible Schick. No one said that. Because people don't know him intimately spend time with him inside studio hours for fifteen hours at a time Ben with him on tour buses, but understand as I think I mean, I'm not trying to take any liberties here, he says he knows me according to Rolling Stone. And I know him, I know, and what's so brilliant about it is stick isn't that? So similar to what we was just about what my position was early in the airport that right there. So we wasn't at the airports put us off. No. Trying to say like I'm wondering what I'm corroborating here is that me, and my partner had a slight conversation about our brother. And and and I would love to hear sticks take on it. Because it's interesting as well. And if you go to Instagram, and you can see his posting. Where will you guys come right back to that? What would you guys when you heard that? He he said, he's Donald Trump. At. I watch MSNBC a lot. I never used it like it before Trump right wing. That's racist. Put now left because Trump is off right. That's like the reality show. Right. Right. Exactly. And. My wife, my wife, don't stop saying. He's nonpolitical. But she this is the best show on here. That's the best show on TV. That's why was the the president shit. They cancelled that he said that the best show. The White House scandal execs gathered there. I don't even remember because like I don't remember what I had -sity that he would like Donald Trump. I don't I don't know where I was when I heard it. But I had Tiffany in my mind that would be something that he was saying. Me up the most about that shit though to shitty said about feeling a masculine it feel like talk about his daddy, regardless away stand Hillary Clinton. You know, what I'm saying a lot of people in our community have very righteous criticism for Hillary Clinton. But his criticism of Hillary Clinton wasn't a political criticism. He didn't talk about her policies. He didn't talk about hating. He didn't talk about super predator. He said purse Logan, I'm with her many like less than a me. He said, the the less testosterone his out, and it was that was married. Married family does not enough testosterone. But in my house that women can't make and you got daughters, bro, you have to that's the part until my brother, and I love him. And I'm never just never called crazy. And if that brother, call me, I'm coming can't wait, you know, what I'm saying? But that's what that's what fuck me up the most 'cause I've had private conversations with him on sex that he fucked me up a hurtful hurtful private college. Okay. That'll be remained between you and me the right. But when I seen them get up there and say, I love you Donald Trump Donald Trump's at hey, I didn't have to lift to end, the nationally sinus, and any hug that man. More like more of a mass as straightening French doors. We know you're always a certain way you give a person of. They look at Trump's head his hands out here. It didn't even come close. Come on. This. Oh, that's as. Really jail. Violation was harder. Look at bro. Really hard. Nobody cares to really hold it on. He's saying he's got mental health issue. And that's my point that that might be the situation that was some of my points in my family is that I don't think we should judge this moment. Really? Because I don't think the man is clear. Right. I clear is -actly. I don't think like even if he believed. He is clear. He knows. But he says does and he stopped taking he's saying what goal is for us to do this. Right. That that's it. What's his mental clarity that we're doing while you're talking about this, exactly? That. I'm the. Read that nobody nobody technically better to talk about this. And he's he is the biggest thing in the game. Right. Especially what he's doing. And I've never seen destruction. Like, this don't give him say destruction. It's not like his paper might be affected. I don't think it's going to be cultural curse. Yeah. Like. Like. I agree and what we costing every single day seeing videos little black girls getting getting, you know, hitting the ridge in black girls getting pulled they sent black boys getting killed and you seeing this end and this day in time, we need, you know, her wish to say, you'll you celebrity you're not you don't have responsibilities to be a role model. We don't have a fucking choice right anymore. Like at the end of the day all raising children. We're always children that can that can go to the same states. Stay stats that these people we have to take responsibility. I know I know mathematics. I though know I was raised by percent. I was like that. But you don't ask time go progress. I started to make club music, and I started to cater to that. But I know the difference. I can no longer be that guy. I have to change. It's just it's just I can't afford a goal comfortable there. But I have to say concede there. That's real. You know what I'm saying? There's just called growth thing out there where it's it's a lot. It's a lot of richness to that situation. Because when you say, which this you mean, well, though, you mean richness like steeper year like like, so so you get a reaction from the masses of people, right? If they've Yankee this or gay to that, right? It's like you could predict the reaction like say, there's no bad promotion promotion, people say, I hate that slowly. But I what I mean is like it's a lot of factors, you know, mixed. So our for like, it's really having a real conversation as far as the community around mental health. Yes rail which has nothing to do with the other stuff the politics. You know, what I mean in in, you know, in the certain way, it's like if somebody is I believe that ninety nine. Percent of the planet. It got mental health issue. For real I. Yeah, I read. I'm like we as we growing in all like the things the choices we make shit like we like, we pour our own. All that mental health is Yellen to the pro for all. Oh, good. I'm good. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Taking care. No. That's one thing. Right. So if Konya is really dealing with mental health issues the way people in the community is treating right. If they really believe he got a mental health issue is terrible. So that's one thing. Second thing is is. Artist with a platform. He choose a song. She wanna make he he choose the position he wanna take. And when you like what he's saying he's heated, man. But when he feel like he see some different did all this the worst Coon every and to me, that's more fickle on the community. What did you know, the other ones here is you got Donald Trump and what he represents? You know what I mean? And they're this dislike alignment, that's not really clear where it's coming from whereas going, so you mix all that together and people think like sheets, they automatically assume whatever they want to assume, but they'll know they don't know gender. They don't know Kaya mental health everybody just talking exploited that condition for on benefits. So you think that's what Chapelle went to Africa that time? And then now all of a sudden. I do not hang at least your help with apple Rasa Japan. Lee. Right. You guys. The reason why Chapelle left at Chapelle show and with the Africa to whack kind went to Uganda. Yes, I say I was what I was trying to say is, you know, Chapelle coat on because you know, sometimes went into is like fairly they can use trying to do that. I think he's doing his own version students doing the Connie version, which you go to Gonda and you go talk to the to the Ugandan President. Well, let me. One nurse though what like in our community right from win. When a person is like, I wanna look at a situation different authors. Want to consider different angle a different a different pitcher. Right. So you know, how can you do that? How can you really break out the sheet cycle if you look at some different the whole world attack? Right. I think the b the president in the first place you like think about it. Like just wanna flip that what he will be the first Brennan. What about Brennan? I. Jim look pause. I'm so sorry that Jibril love you. But when you see Jim Brown Jim while keep saying people should be willing to the flag. That's not the cabinet Lil. Yeah. He got got. James Brown is that is that Jim Brown is someone who, you know, this Tim Brown mythology first of all. Jim brown. That's like Jim Brown as in our community. He's a pillar excuse me community. He's he's there's a there's a mythology surrounding him. And I think that he's doing certain community work where he's a strategic and tactical in a way. Like, I personally do not that I would ever get that information. But I couldn't see myself going to try to Trump on any brand of these. But I like Jim Brown. I could see thinking that strategy. I've been in meetings with his friends and had I heard people close to him say to him the probably have it to is not whether or not I agree with your political stances. What's the strategy? When you when you went to TMZ that unplanned situation what I'm saying when you you had to Charlemagne if you will you control that interview that be why not let that be the store there? Why TMZ day what is the strategy here? So when westward stick say, our daily went back sticks saying like like what as far as thinking different kind of come with that free, thinker sheep. Right. I with all that. But the problem is that don't tell me, I'm not a democrat. But don't assume a democrat and call me a slave on the plantation because I don't agree with the Republican concentrated straight saying like national where it goes hard. I I want to say this as well like, we know some free thinkers as some people who've been down this road and doing some amazing work who are not right left. Right. And I support those people in I at the end Kennedy sees himself in that kind of circle with it. Right. That is that being said so but going back to west and even in. All of this. What's real is as much as we think he's done all this damage. People are people are very sh short turns. That's that's restaurants of very short term memory and one year would be hero to some people Jesus that he ne- jar, right? I didn't say that eagle. Typically, I'm talking. Yeah. Way. We we have real talk with people. We have real talk now. Just because it's not like Kansas Owens, or Larry elder what he could come out and make jam. And then say, oh, I'm Dan with the movement believed them, we believe we believe could come back because of the work. He's put in exactly saying like, you we draw heroes out whether it's common whether it's Kendrick Lamar whoever they say one wrong thing. One thing. Put us in that category. I wanna put the people down temporary fast because bandwagon people talking about bam. About the in the community us, this is right here. This is. And this girl, I mean outside of our community. But the thing about it is that's why that's why I I it hurts me sometimes, right? Where you know, we set up this whole campaign, you know, nations tweaks me Joe, the stress-free meek, look, let's free. Motherfucking me. Let's go out the free. And let me have let me do what I gotta do to me. If we meet gums home, and they go to help them there. Judy right. Right. You know what I'm saying? Like, listen, listen. Ellen says she resists but as a hip hop artist. I think every are came after me cutting the host be a sit down. Come sit down with y'all all come shop. Being anti. Also, big this is this is probably the first person that they go call at homeless of a bit of everybody Brad s sit down, and I sit there and do all these campaigns. When these regulate hit me all these management companies hit me, you know, I look. I got my son went to college. On the other day, man. They they broke me shirt collar. Why have you been on drink Chaffetz? Brother. Just keeping. Hundred right now one percent if you wanna fill me too. We feel. This messed up. What you do? Do you represent hip? Hop represent Miami. If there's a problem with EFL, let's handle it off the camera. If there's a problem, wouldn't are what you can't. Because. Gonna be you. To work out on tested together. Listen. We gotta start supporting our old meek mill you gotta come sit down with us mail. Come on you. You really brought us came to Florida yesterday. Right. The guy even know what day. Let me tell us. Oh, go. I really didn't. I really all this moment. Just wanted to big you up and even the ESPN. Let me tell you crazy, but doctors ever seen that press can't came down here. And then I I joined cameo on the on the lyricist land tour. Store show ruin xactly and. And we went to your crib we've trapping when your mix tape. I just gotta say men to see like, I'm restoring. The minimum in the back of the broadest kindle. Them. And you like we saw you. I saw I saw I represent hit CNN. I saw off here. Unless you live here right now what I'm seeing you do not even the way you're able to end you angle yourself and even put the pressure down like only queens really can do some of these. You talking to some of these people as beautiful deserve this platform, you to have a beautiful banks, and the able to have this and propagated the way you doing. This because I never had was able to say camera if we ain't going to bit us. Ain't nobody else straight us. I don't want complain about with people. I want to show what we are doing noticed these radio stations. They were like, well you've got to grind it out. They got down ten years that word again. You gotta have. No. We go through there. You know? And this is a lot of just gonna watch this being I'm not being cocky, and this is how we got to continue to do it. When it's time for something to be put in this atmosphere. I'm gonna be honest. I even even I even go even deeper if you can't go to drink champs. I don't go to the breakfast club. You can't club going. Joe, bud town. You don't. Wait over somebody. That we noted as a coach was strikes. Don't love right. This is. Kidding crate Asari saying I liked you. Still drinking Mickey Menards and kitchen. Compton route. Southside, right. You know, I've been Toronto. Right. Understand. I when I started to notice that sometimes our culture, we love to be abused artist. I don't remember. It's artists are people. We love to be abused. I see artists who'll see a publication. And in that artists, go back and go back and forth that I've seen this multiple times. But we watch the con game. But the only one when that TMZ thing, and then you know, what are you? What do you think that is like where people just think we don't support each other? We believe that we believe the dream. I think you know, I think our ideas success is whiteness. So I d- success is not drink chance for TMZ ideas. Success is you know, nine low. And you saying I did the same great. It wasn't like Madrid chain. In Madrid chance on what you don't even with our good, brother. Yeah. I think his idea of success is you know, I got shit on ran Renan's. His hero Nealon. Musters his hero. Henry Ford is hero. He wanted to be like Donald Trump. His idea of success is he like he said his records climbed at the top of the mountain top of the Empire State building. I'm can't com. I'm married. White bitch. I'm and I'm fucking get white male shape. I'm just paraphrase. Okay. That was. Right. He had a bar, and this we talked about lost breath. Con- Jalen foot, man. I said it on. How? Gremio, linda. Man. But what he said while leave for the coach he had a bar. That was like he said, they you know, how I ain't about shit. 'cause I got he's got a white girl. A white watch a white into white go to match my outfits or some shit. What's bar, right? And the audience booed him every night, right? Say that every night to want wanna hear that. You know what I'm saying? And you know, he used to eat. But he said that's me recently said that to me a couple months ago, he said I feel like a whole world is quality onus. I said my audience is right. Tamales made you better. Standing out. Man. I really feel like sometimes people are moved to do that. We don't even know where to say. You say you know, what I mean? So we ready to judgeship time. Well Thomas toward us to come around all the time. What what did they say they say the people love the come up the full down and come back. That's basically, that's VH1. move here. I was gonna alphabet. I'm no judgment. I want to say, I'm no judging none of us and in the final this conversation, even as it relates to kind of west, which is threaded somehow into part of it though, it has to be I'm no judge. And this is this is out of love. And even like, we're talking about what level of takes to be successful. And how we see success on certain level, like even us as quote, unquote, people who are thought minded, you know, until the revolution mind. We try to use. We we try to be rich rich you here. Yeah. Absolutely billion dollars. Right. Yeah. Absolutely. Why not there's only there's only like this. You see the cloudy and a lot of the community excludes that kind of understanding from it or how we, but you're not saying that as behavior no money. No. Demotivates? That he's. You ain't doing. I'm really just understanding that like it's gonna take extraordinary circumstances to arrive at the the the the conclusion that we want to be like I wanna be free. I'm gonna be have liberation a lot of people say I'm already for some people say, oh when is freedom. Some people say, oh, well, did you vote? Some people say this. I my point is we have to come to some commonality about it. And it ain't easy and I got daughters five of them. And I'm thinking to the future. How long foster rabbit a place who I really feel like this place to say, we gotta do something. Incredible. We can't just think regular, you know, so like in real like in. So we have to include all of this conversation. Drink Tam, saying little, Donald Trump and. Saudi dealing crack. All inequality. As as outsider in the sense that you guys all know. I've only dealt with him a couple of times TJ. And as a fan of cognac real fence say as a fan, I'm saying the precursor to say their gets to appoint where there's damage that's being created by what he's doing. Yeah. I think that's why we have to speak end Elkins become scary. And the beginnings the damage though as follow was as follows. One hundred tickets. They'll do you think. Brad. I don't think it's the followers. I think it's the actual president himself thinking that. Oh, this guy. Validates me. Hebrew that everybody. He's already. Then. Individual. I just feel like at a as a fan of like at a point. You gotta understand. There's there's a damage you can't come back from that. He will go damage from me and on a personal on a real personal level. I think the dam just me becoming from and I'm very privileged to have grown up with educators recognize that as a privilege. There's most people don't have God bless the misinformation and misdirection to me is very damaging. The fact that you go there, you make statements that are not based on fact, but that are based feeling and then you say you say Twitter Instagram feelings matter exact fat. Interview win. He said. Slavery. Yeah. Now van lake within the correct, very eloquent and the next and it'll be the next the envy was outside and women's family, right? No, we alway-. But when you Connie. Was calling knowing out word. No one TMZ. Don't do it. With me. Apologize to violate them. When he apologize. Jack. Layton, data me was real. That was also saying. I'm brother. Yeah. Because actually. County bigs up somebody like Candice Owens kinison was comes after me on Twitter. And then I go black, and then she called a nigger in a monkey from trader white supremacist white buffer because this is your Twitter is unfounded, right? Like, solely would take a person that I see a personal of of like white supremacist Neo Nazi motherfuckers, like proud, boy maga- fuck is becoming EMMY like you should be more like Connie. But that car fall not his fault as nine because they won't be like that. They're gonna find somebody else. A lot of slack for all his. It's not. But the reason why I have to have to give him summers as a business. Cousin? He is a grown, man. He's making choices. He's making choices to align himself with people who are are stead set or harm and people. Come you making a choice to align yourself with people and you're making your choice? It's not an intentional choice. But as we know what to come there pressure oppression? It's not about intent is about results. You got the best intentions the world the bro to fucking house pay with the greater. I think counties attention is. I don't want to see me with the stereotypical image of a black man is I'm free. I'm not sure idea black man on his maga- have any show you how much I'm not your idea. Or did that what the flag? Configure flax. He was trying this early. How did? Zealand traded fifty thousand we love Andre Andre Andre Wayne federal. I would be willing to bet and remember. Really? I'd be willing to bet that if you ask Andre thousand today about why he what confederate belt which he did twenty years ago. He would change his tune ludicrous when he was on a war t- waterhole confederate suit. And then he pulled it off. And he's pulled it off. He had the red black agree should under. I think as their idea with little John had the confederate flag burning on the cover April in that had a flag burning on the cover. They came. They did that after Andre ward. At the New South idea is that we from the south. But and you know, you could speak to a more 'cause you from Florida like. If you speak to you don't wanna hear. Like the moment now. Me to watch it at the crib. And I used to go to my friends, I watch. Relief. Jan. The even talk about the flag for second. Right everybody. So high about the confederate flag, right, but the confederate flagging shit on the US. The US flag is more responsible for slavery and all types of nice. They stopped the confederate flag, then then the confederation. I mean, they all to meeting all the same. I ain't trying to say not 'Y'all hang up the confederate flag when I'm just saying that US flag. No better. No me is no better. We talked about Similars hypocrisy. Reflagged will tell you. I think you need to be a slate. Right. He's they'll tell you that USA everybody free. But then in reality covers the Okita here. So you know, what I mean, we're we say, oh the confederate fly like that's the one. It's like all these rights two hundred percent. But I just gotta say it now in this conversation would be viewing American public Murray's. Murray's talkable is going like that like America. I like American metal Russia, and that's the other ship accused love him. I don't bring it back to county. But that's disappointed me when he get on that America first shit that to me is is worst. That's not believing that ain't it. There's a comfortable says we need to manufacture Mary put America first nationalist shit, but he'd be on that ship now. But. The baking Z's in Calabasas right now. And now he's switching back to Rita. One hundred thousand dollars. But but my my day. What really like, you know? I I just think there is limits views a bubble get we see as America like privileges for anybody who ever gets out of here understand it. Anybody and mad and do it. Yo. Yes. Withdrawal to the airport. We started this tour we was talking to her chain and all that and we somehow in talking about Puerto Rico in shitting one on there. And I we went down there seeing what was going on. I was telling him a little bit like the not getting the aid that they need and things like that. And this is the problem and it just no disrespect. They heard him this the ignorance he he was like he said Puerto Rico. They're you know, they're they part of us. But not really they take in this this the mentality. You know, he was a cool, dude. We've got accepted what he what he said. He has no. Soda holding is on or. That's what the LA Bella is like LA Bella projects right there. That's where they was fighting. All you know, what? I mean, if you look at what they goes, probably leeza. That's the docking to me. I spent a lot of time. There's thurston. How? Doc there we filmed the video add soccer or Hector. We went to Pearl. We video there. But that's where I be. Look, don't that's the thing. So we could talk about Trump. We could talk about gay celebrities. You know, they they get followers lights. But the people the people that's lacking real growth that real being what you know what I mean? That's that's the issue. None of these celebrities and politicians would matter if the people had since as a whole exam follower. Joy, we was putting it at work to understand what's going on in our lives all will be small base. That's part of it's not just a remember the world is to activism world to know. Activists charities and organizations people get caught up in film, like a hero. Exactly. Like the dead. Prez taught me if you're not talking about food, call the show for the people what you talk about all this height be shit. You know, we we get quarter. But like, it's very seductive, very sexy to talk about all these celebrities. All these you know, what I'm saying book. I'm sorry. But I remember it was a certain time of the night. It was pulled of becoming where it was cool. I came up in two no signal light. And now a whole gang. Banging. But how do we wish that back? How do we make it? You know what I'm saying? Gone gave the real talk. But you've got to let these young dunes talk. We hang who's call real right to teach for real for real. They're not they're not having. We're not recording the real compensation. According to possessing conversation, busy Abba compensation. And we want to compensate drivers behind the door got a young. And when they talk about getting their money. They talk about real business brass tacks really fucking round, we'll talk, and that's you want to. You want to hear? But I think that's that's eight right. There's not that is what it is the language change. Right. So we from the generation of the conscious of more wear wear it on your sleeve like I'm black, and I'm black and I'm black on Black Sea. What a new generation is not so much wearing on your sleeve. Right. Exact what it's about who. Am I say visuals? It's not so much relate into this social construct of race. You know what I'm saying? But it's more relating to community, which I think that's a powerful you'll call it. How about how about how about like even like right Now, Dan chief finally someone we're going out there buying time rate, but one that was not getting all that money. Not because he's designed everything it's his Graham, but we don't most of us the facts was going out and buying like they hired that right at the same thing. Very faintly. With a cat at all. That's one even even the old lady arm in the old lady lady that came to the war show Seymour night. And it was not capping particular it was his shit. But she didn't she was g shooters other ways. I'm wearing night for. Cool. We understand that going to support it support his. Any predator Nike is a Trump supporter. Eight donate any. Delays to the NFL on mattress and key. Millennium prisons, kill okay Nike's has invested in matters and American more than California like, and so I mean, president had mom time. The prison industrial complex has been a crazy profitable investment for many people dying. So without concerts. A lot of people have become rich from legs imprisons yacht. New. Now. Guys state prison last week with the common who cabinet. So you're like, we basically we gotta get out of the bunch. That's why for us revolutionary, but gates was what made sense because you want to change myself. What's this shit is my son general gainst up on gang over Lolo Sunday to work? And the other one sell out I won't sell the new old. What's new in this process? Hold on our cell. The thing is ballots. This is life if you'd be on one in stream bright imbalanced. So it was a time in hip hop coaching where it was all about the heart all about the coach. And we pride ourselves on that we mastered are crafts, and we made that work in the world. Right. But we want all the top of business. Right. So they're the flipside dander, getting hip to Venice on the masters won't be teaching each other through, you know, through the culture, and then we started focusing on that and to the to the without focusing on the culture riot. So, you know, all about the money, and and we still playing like yin Yang steady of the woke folks getting the money. You know, what I mean all oughta rich folks getting some consciousness, right? We you need both. You gotta have you have sensing some values. But you gotta have some power some some bread make certain things happen. So we we've been learning this as a coach individuals learn from Nate community like a Jay Z pedigree was getting month. He learnt that from his his his circle, right bright. He was tired after one album, but how many people Jay Z teats through through his actions. Right. Whether you call him conscious or not, it's right? He made he he power people what his actions, right? And then how many people are dropped all the weight of the planet earth. And how far it is from the sun with no business with play. That's right. Not taking care of the kids. Right. So it's not about what you say on the Mike, actually. And it's not about how much got in the Bank account. And right is is what wild you're in the position in what are you doing with it? That's the new that's revolutionary gangrene after all. I'm sick. I'm so newly. Yeah. Let's let's face it. On this twenty years ago. Bus me that lighter and give thanks you too. And a lot of us really was like I said, this conversation's you capital like this. Now, if you you limit capitalism, imagine, that's a ocean polluted ocean is everything feels that. You can imagine in this water. Right. That's capitalism. Right. But you in the middle fucking ocean. Right. So and money, right? It's swimming in capitalism. Right. So you can be poisoning. They can be all that. But if you're in the middle of ocean, you gotta be swimming. Or you gotta be on a boat, nor joy fort dodge around. So you have to figure out how to float they how to get towards some lands. Some some something solid. In the meantime, so we can't ignore the system that we live in. You know, we can't annoy. In Catholic what they still wanna watch hopeful. And they feel like they did not violate right? I love football. You love football football. Did you watch football? I watched you did watch it. I watch. I didn't watch the cabinet. Did you watch it? Now this season. I have I haven't got a chance to hear good gives them all over my people have stopped watching it because of capital. I can't tell you people. Do you think? So I don't watch too much. But I can't imagine somebody watching some people. I think it's, but I want riana just turned down. For that. Anyway, I think beyond. Performance. You know that they know Doug chin they pay for like traffic and all that number one. You're working on down to her return. The desert. Understanding classrooms, which is why they are who they are always dentist platform power. They they. Black girl. I don't I don't count on Washington. But I think that's a personal choice. You know, if like, I can't imagine. I don't know y'all could tell me I can't imagine somebody who's watching football ever see every every year life. But also was woke also agrees with capper next position just say non Campbell watching what what turned the whole TV off, right? Everybody third. Okay. That's cool. And I get it. Right. I like that guy. And I understand we all agree with that. So then if that's not gonna work, I'm not saying, it's not gonna work. I'm just trying to say ninety. Fucking NFL or any of that shit. So what works? I think he I think what he's only what he doing work. But then how do we have? That we had loved that into something that works thing about it for the about the thing about this. It was publicly known crystal fuck with us. And we we actually made a difference said fuck it that it was still hail do that. That's the thing. This is that not Chris. What's the difference between everyone in half out? Everyone didn't have access to her crystal. Because it was it was NFL green report brothers free. You know what I'm saying? Like Chris was was advertising was the luxury. It was at luxury who was it had like. Chris del anyway, Ford it anywhere. Okay. Hotline. NFL for free. Now. That's that's his that's his biggest. So on the other end Adali affect I don't I don't think to see it when he was doing it. Allie was out there. You know, what the void where antiwar shit when he was given the nation. I don't think they saw it at the time. He was despise. And I think they were saying he would never work again. I think that the impact he's bigger than boxing. I think kaffir, Nick. All those brother, all the athletes or athletes who do take them sacrifice because so many who have gone down that road right lane bragging rapid. No, did these people who have gone against the grain and made the NBA say, no, you can't come here. And and. I don't know. People to all the people that lose auto ones that we big up, and they're like, Colin Kapp right there, even by integrity like we all here night on that right yet. But people mad because he got a check from Nike bright. You was happy away. Man who was black. You know, I'm not. I'm not. We'll will be talking. I think that's what hit me. He month thing is capita stood history. Like one hundred right more than what hurt other twenty. Me. Eric. Family lost work. What about the wind? See we wanna focus on that was a win to win. Got that Nike. Check the money. He was making from the NFL. He was donating millions. He was up in a million plane to Simone all your shit. So he's clear outsmart man play cata with supplies. So Molly place, we can't even land the place at that. Straight where you where where the US has stroke, cat, cat, Catholic war absolutely team. Bay area bay. That me he thought that you're trying to he's he. Humble spirit knows that the end of the day. We don't all know what all but ready to be like how can I do? How? Manny white parents. Imagine. But I'm saying that he he he he he has a level triggers that people have and he's like I'm flipping mullet privilege to as much as I could possibly flip. It straight out the best way help account. Kaunda racism is to have. Whiting disagrees. Racism runs. Great. He got. He got white. Parents were great people. His parents line people that he got a lot of good people around him. I like to set out to the people who who have been molding him in the bay area who read to him who are like very protective of the fact that they know that like he's powerful we and that being athlete is. But where he comes from has integrity, and they like L this debate heavy this this medicine the Panthers and and. Vase for time. We don't know what all, but we know we are on with my parents people's move going out to the bay area to get that Black Panthers. Oh offices to value system. That's based on. That's what the Panthers baseball what families based and that's what they miss vowed. And that's why we have people in our community who are celebrities because of the engagement. They're missing the connection to that. You know what I'm saying? They missing that. Like, you know, what I don't want to really try my best not to fuck to be on some get off my lawn. I really tried not to be some Friday. Yeah. I'm gonna be off the mall. That's how you wanna be using. But but but but when when it comes to policy when it comes to community like I'm not talking about ratchet ratchet loop. Little loop. Probably as good as Negi thinki- there. His. Right. He is good. But like my sister. My seventies has nothing to do with any of that. But when it come to when it comes to the shit, we talking about you have to you have to look at what what the jeez, Dave before you not to emulate not to copy. But also love mistake using off because you you standing ratio. This Magar come see dead rats. I have to do that. Okay. I want to give it to my wife. It worked in the building. Russia. These guys got mad. I saw. One thing you could take away you had to stop due over hippo. Takeaway. Wow, man, that's tough to stop in and do over whatever. But you know, whether it's yours or someone else's. On our question, Dan as art because I have no regrets. You know that that that was but I learned from it. And I grew from me like my man d one told me and around one time if I if if I could have been the dude who is in the lobby could've told the girl. Don't don't go upstairs and CPAP and again contender around you get life. It'd be better. And both of you have to save you a lot of a lot of help. Maybe maybe maybe maybe I'd be that person. Yeah. Come on anyone doing. Okay, that you hear on the man. Come on. Finished. Bring your own. But my again long. Bye. See you on a minute into the come on, man. The one thing about. Sold out tonight. And they go. We have to sell out everyone. No, I think I'm worried we're choir. Like, you know. I don't really do regret. You know what I mean? So like, you know. For me. I say this purse on a personal note like came in the hip hop fooling by street shit. Okay. Maybe maybe I said, okay. Okay. Maybe I said maybe just being in Boston industry shit. Maybe it's actually to get the record. Pass on a regular. We on actually do go by. Okay, now, I feel very very very happy with choices. I look like I'm gonna say, you know, we gotta test one time. Sadat London MacMillan like to work loyal. Understood. To introduce us to recipes prints, and we on the same night that we were introducing. Better that better say, but look stories happen. Every time I. We did it. I'm gonna say. But now. Yeah, I just wanna say that like new record not we we spoke about it right there. And it was a record called the president. Yeah. And sign this. Yeah. Doesn't exist. But I regret that it doesn't it is could it could it could this like very probably on. Yeah. We're could've follow him could've made it happen. And he and he was very clear about what it was. He wanted from us. With great stories. Thank you. Glad to because you know, prince. And it was crazy. Let's say you're nervous. I was so like more than you knew who we were opinion about it. Let's say what he said. And I don't think it's no disrespect. I mean. Me neither. So I'm gonna say this say look it up. It over the phone. I'm gonna say that he was like I want to first of all he's like I'm job when I don't want you to curse. Princeton that I came up to a nasty prints like so like, okay, you wanna do president. But he said, but I don't want you to be soft. And he said like like like, I would work and MRs no respect. No disrespect Jezreel as real if it was and our conversation, and I say this. I said, it's okay. Fucking. Because I love this the depth. But he was like I would like I know I like common, but I like y'all because what you do. So I want to do that. Pardon? You turn that off because the show is tonight. And he was like give me that press. Don't give me combat. You know, what I mean, he was like be. You know top. We are either all be role. That's what you know what I mean. And and he was specific about that. And I just gotta act did he have purple shirt. And what is that? This. I think you really have purple straight straight and that was in the wedding. But anyway, I wanna say to him. And I really look I vision that record. And maybe we should just take take that record president. Might be grace my now, right? Core record girl DJ. Credit issues deejay did a few shows. And you. One show that maybe we didn't speak about before a little Brit story. I've never met prince crazy print store. Never. Breads or too big. I meant to Mike. I smoked a blunt with to pocket and John foretaste knowledge Diggle plant as crazy at the country club. He knows crazy technically conscious at first I know that to pockets now come on the undergrads Jerry in order to hooking me up. Army's call hopefully, actually the point where people. If you really loved him, I can track people in. Dance video trout. They can't keep black men. Dan exam to that. That's soldier story. Up to blunt this case for second the blower, two biggie. Together and Sarah Jones, you know, the police Eric. Oy. Sarah Jones one night or one job take. Too big and Sarah. Team birthday party. Jessica rosenbloom bloom had a party at country club. Okay. And maybe Nuff reflections DJ somebody. Okay. And to park was performing and big showed up or biggest performing to. I don't remember which is when they walk away, and it was to walk away. We'll Danis sugar. That's very. We might have been palladium. That was country country cl- come up in this. The seventies. Okay. Yemen. It was interesting. See knowledge was around. That's what he every time. I see that flavor year video and he comes to cool like that. Because he was hanging out that that was like the club, click the Knicks play video rampage busted. Big puff. We used to say, see Brooklyn. We just move on the same block, we moved to Brooklyn. We came to Brooklyn from Tallahassee, and we we was right there on Saint L. Oh, what was it right downtown saying Elliott? Liz spat with forty eight because. Oh, right. I will Brooklyn tech again. So when we played that block, we have no way to go really actually homeless virtually so we hung out on the black seething see knowledge over there where and isn't it has fucking. That time platinum platinum when he ran on some shit air. So we ran a Boeing and we scared to sit out of. In a way, we scared feeling, but he wasn't. Hung young. But we know see now. Hold me. This one football man favorite era. Favorite pop. The it'll it'll matter Hewitt it or not beating Pete arrow is that golden is that MVP eight eighty. That's what I was about to say eighty year eighty at me. Yeah. Don't debate me eighty nineteen motherfucking eighty eight eighty that's the year eighty deaths era p paid full and it's light as rock DJ rapper. That's that's that's that's takes a nation of millions and everything if say business. That's the great veges slick Rick world rate is eighty eight. Beat. So monitoring my point is. All Jews world fans. Probably don't know. None of those. Yeah. Yeah. They don't. They don't so shoot. Then even along that new. Go. We just got a whole discography for you to go study right with. Because I know that I know reference points, I talked to the I'm in the studio with the. Say maybe like, what are you just you say? Like, they have no reference point. So my point is like that's important enough anywhere juice world. The guy that got the signal recipe that guy. Why? View stinks. They didn't know why you said that he has an interview outweigh doesn't know that I think it's shape. I'm not being I'm not being specific to him all care. In this interview. His host. Faxing this on this kind of generalization that that this audience is the one who really I think if what's going right now absorbed shit. Help us that that's like that's my drink. I would love to see that. So you eight as well. Of course, even. Even. Any? Ninety five ninety eight run. Smoothie. That's ninety three ninety two. So actually destroyed his strength. Eighteen ninety three ninety nine ninety nine and nine hundred ninety one ninety ninety one when you have tropical quest. Lupu Dray, although platinum ninety one ninety nine. 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Lean ain't shit coach coach them. Okay. They fit hot music healthy is gangster state. That's where we are. Yeah. So we're gonna bring it home. That's what I don't own him. He's pretty good. PB break. Got out. Minutes, and you're gonna take it. Media. Nothing mandatory yesterday three ten. Why? Dreaded though with joy exactly like need to open the. Palate. Got a red black and green. But there's no way and it was thinking very fifty. Shaggy got something with that. It is because people like cognac. Yeah. Three. Shag. In. Yeah. So Drake test back from the road. A big TV will all always, you know, drink so walk, and we always support that Bill as well. You know that shaggy around here. He has react cocoa coconut. But in my mind, I could be mistaken. Cardiac as this awful little Wayne. Wayne to one. Yeah. That's too. Go. I think it's about. Because. I can't give you that that brand of meat support saying artists artists, and then me open them. Because I'm really not a call yet. Don't even do. I do. That you y'all like that? I I'm not a kayak guy. I stopped drinking the guns. You don't have whiskey, but it's cool. I understand that you don't treat it. I'm going to be honest. I wanted to do a study like I wanna see why people should Netflix. Because it's like the what you drink bite me racing. What? Back yet. With. I'm not thinking I think every race. I think that's the reason why certain like I'm being like. Yeah. You've been put on the drinking. And that's what it is. Because that came did it all started with nj numbing going. I started with. Rank. Did he say? Advani? And so like, I. That were smarter. And through stages Mahan came out with my Hennessey jerseys that was rock in hand. And I went to Mexico and got and I got to kill them my system in that for many years before all of seculow vibe, and now Murad that whiskey, and this is what it's you can't tell me you can't honestly say after like what I've noticed. Draken is a game. You go into this point. Right. If you don't really drink it, really. Like I drink. Yeah. On the rock. Yeah. Some people black Johnny Walker like back red and green is cool. But I. I don't like I'm gonna be honest. Thank you. Not I don't drink heavily whiskey. What I need you. That's cognac. I was introduced to whiskey Ireland and Thailand is because it makes. Ninety nine that like that. Black is black people. It really is. But really more than that the Irish people got connected to the black revolution. And I'm gonna go right there. Because that's the reason why. Respected the multi when when we went to tour in Europe. It was that the Irish and Scottish people who came to us and was like, what is your opinion? What do you think about Rupert Murdoch? They hate me for the IRA and all that all that movement all that movement. All those people are also associated or over friend relieve with anti-imperialist movement. When I say anti-imperialist, I mean like anti capitalist colonialists. I know these words whatever I just wanna say that. That's the reason why we can relate because we know we have come and like this. So like the Irish people like support, Malcolm X, I'm like what does whiskey tastes like? And. Well, listen, what celebrating tonight, you brothers? You be a head. We had a great conversation where we're going to keep continuing to say we have to keep supporting us men tonight that breads. Larussa role. Nico nico. Is and who is a maze in. The president coming out with some pot. Here on. Half. Was going on. Excuse me. I mean, I made minimum Princess. Yes. Bye. Here style. I'm I'm it's nice, right? Job's a little way maybe support artist. If you wrap up your product of Earl eat forty as well, I can't believe we twenty. Co-ceo around forty eighty three ninety three. What was it? That was spam yet say brand while we added they're trying to outlaw green show right here. Shutout shadow outlaws. They got a new water alkaline water coming out call everyone so outlaw. Wow. I say that again outlaw mortars to pot. You know what I mean? Agassi replaced. I know you hit that man. He got you nobles good. Oh, yes. So Nico is from Brazil, and I met him in Orlando. One of my favorite. As you know with left to go on tour nickel dropped Amcor grew just a couple years ago new apps. Call unico. And you know, I'll let me speak for himself. Beautiful beautiful honor to be here. Let's. I was born in Brazil, and I grew up in Orlando, and I was doing music out there, and it's going to school out there. And then destiny just happen. You walked into a nightclub ahead in my mix tape and the next day with their record and Shasha Triska Triska. My brother Triska locked. Something like that. And all of a sudden, it's like. Fast forward a few days, I'm free styling him and his year. And that's really the freestyle. You know, come from a tradition of freestyle back in the day. You know, shot SuperNet super. He's saying like people like that. And Craig gene, our ledge freestyle on a level that I haven't heard freestyle gotta hit. Address. Never heard anyone freestyle during chats is the first beautiful. No what I'm what I'm saying. Got it. Therapy. Say that probably because therapies. All land and to help. The way we come. And you'd be beautiful. I knew him seat. Compare that question. No pressure. People. Say a word he starts up the rumour that I did in between. Did you say word? And then you say it were tonight picture. One two three four five, rob. Fair debt. Drink Fisher language. Do it. Joy. Let's do it. What we need to do. Ready automatic. It's so me met he says stop attract is that even another thought was a shock rat. He met shock mccown. She's a nice woman fell off the other doing a nice. And. The segway doing better the next day. Oh, stick. He said, listen, I'm a move to a monastery study kung FU come through you said young. Do you say sandal? Sando when it's Halloween shoot videos. Thursday, hounded jump off of me to be humble when you got to put the Oakland, the Gumbel shoot. Delicious. Hyperbolic hyperbolic sign of property said he probably see the PIN paint. That's what he got stuck. You said find that in a pocket shoot follow the dodge. Viper when he said his hyperbolic, seventy seventy stop. Okay. I wrote down the eighties along along. Thank you. Girl of spa Siba Siba. Spa cba. We was levitating. He was meditating most invite Celona watching LA league. He said I'm talking to peace to the leader. While we say piece of Freda peace at oh, jeez. Pizza leaders. Piece of beats is never equal. Different negativities awful. There's no squares my circle that's not a waffle came off the top of the dull stick man, I'm able total when he said love peace to the zonal. He said peace to YouTube mal, g forty six on the bluetooth. He said that I'm trying call you being picking up. Listen, this adrenaline rush. I'm saying when Nori peace and love peace F, N P, energy peace and love. The no pressure awkward at all. With your legend off too. No pressure. Podcasts are not on that Chan Klett. Our hint from Oman tak- maze. A little bit different. He said on the leader, you say peace and love and peace to freed of shoot. Red keith. What I'm gonna tell you that. We alive. Well. So do I know you do? Devise arbitrary. Fires me when I see this. I need. I talk. I'm my way and says he did that do the answer. Definite man, got them. Clapping. And one being like, what's what's what's the air wars for the record? Concerts. Content creative. Fuck AMC Manute title. And you want to know it. Anyway. I mean quick quick to the money like shout out to my wife. My partner in all the club on the podcast. Yeah. Club podcast. What it basically is long about twelve fifteen years ago woke up in Brooklyn without in my leg from being a drink champ. And all the time, and I've decided to clean out, you know, nine years sober. No, no, we'd alcohol and just changed my life. And I started studying martial arts and yoga running and became a long distance running coach marathon and all that shit. And I didn't know that the physical training was going to take me somewhere different. Just in optimism. You know, a lot of pessimism. With just being in the struggle, people crack in my life, and all that gonna I've seen just through training and being focused. How how made a difference for me? I wanted that for more people. So we created RPG fit club for that to be a platform is based five principles knowledge, nutrition, exercise, recipe consistency. You know, what I mean and me and my wife was in Tristesse. So that's how I got rid of gout natural. And and so, yeah, I'll be fit club. We say healthy is new gangster. And you know, we go hard on that. It's just about inspiring people for healthy living. So you know, what I mean? Yeah. Terrible. Together. Say it again, the name energize maintain we all got different balance and all that it's about nursing yourself. It's about training. Right. But most of all about enjoying life. You know, I mean and just having the wisdom of balance if you can't enjoy life. You got to. Joy did thing. What you really learn is. We we think that, you know, getting higher games is enjoy life in there, and it can be fun. But you can also enjoy discipline. I mean, you can enjoy the sweat. You know, what I mean steroid few when you when you run when you when you put in you can really enjoy that. Like when you get run us hot, no said, so you know, when you eating the right foods, some things that you crave. When you know, you eat and better, you don't crave the same thing. You know, I used to drink Erkan jarred me all that. You saw urban. You know? Yeah. Yeah. South say, you're craving saying, you know, what I mean, you know, you go to coin of four and get a they get cleaned out. With the you tell your stomach. So it's it's just about, you know, for me, it was about I got bigger got bigger values than just being how all the time. You know, I want to be there for my son's a certain kind of way, and I want to be fit. I wanna I don't wanna be limping sit at my twenties. Balance. So it's a long Devittie. I wanna say and support at as my. And I may have some people who have gained that journey to through healthiness and wellness through some of their presence on like be healthy. And as we sit here new Brady as we all say. Say that will sit on the train. The devil. Ray? Santamaria number let it go. And so, and so I just wanna say a lot of people doing shows say thank you for sending me on a journey to health and wellness through song be healthy. And we wrote it that way he wasn't really that healthy. You know what I'm saying? And that's actually more running the thing that people get their people always in their journey. People learning changing growing through the processes out. Good. And I I love to see how many people have now embracing of like what health and fitness is in the world, and it's a beautiful balance. Like. Over. But a lot of really like we we wanna drinking water or going to the gym. I see a lot of audits. I here working out and people like styles p c James I see. And then I mean, like so many artists who in the gym, you know, fifty fifty and you know game or whoever anybody who who's understands and it can be eagle testicle. But part and parcel is part of the fact that people say I want to be here. Partial heart. Yeah. Say, and it's not just about what you look like how much you weigh. Right. That's the service level help. It's for us is holistic health. So is how feel you know, what I mean became big the twenty one. Twenty two. Such a early age twenty one years old people make done lead. That's what I was wanting nothing. What got me go. We were. We the fray we'll fight every day with everything we was going through Chinese of figuring out vegetarianism begin ISM. And there was even a really at as getting. They have. So so so at that point like we we try to figure it out. We we know we like okay stopping veep. The message to the message not studying pork chicken beef. What do we eat? We drown and relapse in Kentucky rats. Devil tease said but just 'cause all during the week. We're trying to stop so hard, but it's a balance and it's a lifestyle coach. I said how people could have knowledge, right? This. Another thing people. You could have information, right? We always supposed to drink water. We know supposed to eat greens. And you know, we have the information. Right. But we don't how to inspiration that grabbed on Brian. So that's what I'll be fit club is about. It's creating using. We we make music of rounded. So like. So you have an inspiration the door like there's some like coast new album healthy like about when you when you need that extra push half assing today. Now, you you gonna give it a hundred and ten percent because there's motivated you know, what I mean? Like, that's the part missing this information as it ain't no information. You can't get what you can't get. You. Can't information apply self, right? You know installation. Gotta do that. So you use the coach to bring it forward. Out. Hip hop. We have no age limit. We haven't. No. We could do this shit. All we want. We playing football. Off. Say about. Wait. My lease is not. Everybody. Everybody black name Williams. Stood out. I believe. You guys only get better. To tell you is. And all these people wanna push us out of this. And they wanna just 'cause they say young, man sport. And they could feel young man sport. That's your man variously. Okay. Young man. Very hip hop. I mean, it's wrong. That's why we can't really like really like. Critique them too much because. That's their thing is the thing is we have all audience came to we still be worried about their audience at see. In our shows straight up. We talk about old school in our show. Right. And when you say were owed school people think they automatically think time period. Right. But that's not what old school old school mean. A service set of values. You know what I'm saying? That's timeless. You know? So it's not about going going back to era and trying to recreate that is having values in twenty eighteen that's timeless say timeless. I was trying to tell the team for others. You know, so many people many, you know, they just go unappreciated that sometimes person don't even canister. Thank you. The south of the position that you serve. As a person that knew better. But I was just so involved with the sort of like a new talked to the gates way more. But also spoke to the guard by music I smoked because that's what I came for. But you out for front line. I was second row. I know. Real versus. I feel like me people like that. We were second row we had still we wanna still bitches and shit. Even like, we big fans CNN, write you a part of the duo and all that. To look at you. He's really in this box. No. I mean, we know where it's coming from. And we all influence and trying to grow and power. You know what I'm saying? So that's how will we live. And the last thing I just need you to stop. You don't have to every racists on Twitter, but every races on like, I'm you wake up in the morning. Killing Z. Nobody. Let's go. Yeah. Let me tell you. But I'm like men, it's it's really awesome. That there is someone who's a star war that is. Get that. And I'm like in my mind, like my spirit, Twitter animal and. What? He bringing light to these people. So the dig of exactly what. Exactly. Out of this like. People that are say that. Now, the people who bring the car back at WalMart. Would be at top. Go look at Facebook, six months ago. Confirmed flag. A report. Future. This guy audio. It's just crazy. Ballo in you back. Back people already. So I just want you to be because. Sometimes you're not going to be honest on this, right? The most craziest shit in the world. But I'm saying if right now stood right there, just fully clothed. The one with with. I would say roasted radio but aspect you will all turn around the. He just said fuck that. Don't look at them. Exactly. What's rolling? I can't stand him up. You don't. If you were standing there naked, and we all tend to really see you were still getting I was. I was. It's still a problem. So. Say something I could go back. And that thing is you have such a big audience and you sometimes enough enough. Enough. Really Finally, I love it. Are really really, but you'd be following the person has seventeen then. Breath, personal rendering seventy three until they. Because you do the I do you go. I love it. And they just don't get that high blood pressure from. Listen, and we got we got. I I have a very high. I have my life is very fucking incredible life, but I need one vice why? I mean. Oh, day all day. A very solid. I don't have to do anything. I don't got them. And a lot of people were classic. Gotta do. I choose to do what I wanna do. And I don't put up. Rich. But I I'm blessed to be shoes when it how. Right. So if you see Twitter's I'm enjoying like an, and that's the part of it that are that are free sheet that people really concerned about like if you see me like does she fucking superpower Japan with the mega? Mega fail. What he when you? Yes. I I the problem is with the platform. Giving people. I'm from I'm from the I'm from the call of make a racist famous like like, I want all it'd be famous outdone. I want to be famous. I wanna see covered. I wonder. Especially in this era of social media where you talk about people who voluntarily say, I'm opposed to Nazi shape on Twitter. And I'm you know, what I'm saying like Donald Trump Donald Trump was running for. He tweeted me seventy five times. Are year later, Nazis marching, Charlotte? Charlottesville running focus over killing. To meet each is not going. And that's all it is like I'm looking at it like like on in the online space in the digital space. Bigoted black plaza. I didn't see. I was interested to see it because it's like he. It was ill. I'm in. Because some like. He gave the guy the audience, but he actually thought of that. Right. But it was so much the thing about it. Spent so much time on taking this guy because he was speaking David Duke, this is a black guy. Right. This day. We do. Right. Yeah. But is. I know where your mind is. I know I came here actually, getting the politics. You said you wanted to be in politics. Okay. All because I think I'm sorry. I feel like. Like like if TI was made on land. I was a little bit more than our ready. Cold game. But the thing is the thing is business penalties. Heavy heavy heavy. To do. I never hear about both. Okay. Hemi out hit me out the way, you've got examples of the music business. Right. You got like cool herbs, and you got. These people who sacrificed for us, but they didn't make it. But then you keep going up the ladder, and this people hor ball off, I think. That Will Smith and Dave Chapelle, although they were playing around. I think I think they're playing definitely not that was just playing I would not how about how about me. I would I just want to say this very quick brothers. It takes more than just like popularity to not nowadays. That's not what I get it. But that's why. But that's not what quite a flies. With his family qualify. I'm not saying that I'm not saying he's old family struggle. I'm saying. Down to lead me like in this age cut because of that. Another events component person. We can have. Is talk about release of icons strong black, man. I'm not I'm not. Desi? Did he? Smith. On the air. You're in the galaxy some shit some. Bounce back. Maybe then we can say we really did. I agree endorsing day. Chapelle wilson. I respectfully. Right. Got. What we are doors Dame's Japan. I would say day Chapelle president at wells smell vice you know. How you know? I agree. Two. Can't push it. Got it. You would you would. Qualifiers, obviously. Obviously much choice is between Donald Trump. But who else is five? Okay. So okay. Who would who would you give? Runner for spreads. Really? Acuff up talking book. I kind of disagree with some of, you know, he jersey, I I know. No, no here. We disagree. For real for real. We'll get out there. Cory Cory don't do as hard in this in this space because people have have to be aligned with what's going on power structure man could beat this renting anymore, and they play the lobbyists who enforce parliament's fit on everything then enforcing the policy makers real talk. That's happening. Like, you got like people with money who buying the presidency. So like, so he asked me who does it have to qualify to be a rich person. I'm talking about people who understand leadership lay down Orgainzation. They're gonna lead fairness people who really been studying. They would. Anti-capitalist there's almost mobility and this and this. But I think everybody understand Bernie Sanders better. I think Bernie because that's why people understand kill it. Mike more right because he was a support Burg. My thing is like also might be crazy warned laugh. All these people that's kind of someone who's ten years old killer. Mike, there's someone. Say clinton. 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Atheist Experience 23.29 with Don Baker & Jenna Belk

The Atheist Experience

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Atheist Experience 23.29 with Don Baker & Jenna Belk

"Of quitting your burgers of a coffee table if you want to eat a burger put it on a bar Vol your instincts to be dubs for the new all American Cheese Burger fresh juicy fiefs fastest crispy around the edges covered a Jewish cheese and stack to the ceiling with deliciousness knocked baby Dow with a frosted beer at the bar just like those sports God's intended but new all America cheeseburger at Buffalo Wild Wings. Please drink responsibly. Thanks welcome to the Syrian Sunday July fourteenth two thousand nineteen happy best. You'll you'll day. I'm your host today on Baker and with me as Co host genetic who I just met like fifteen minutes ago this is our first time on as a pair of course and <hes> she's a Newbie atheist and <hes> so she's got that that different perspective and I'm one who's grizzled and grisly instead okay atheist experience is a production of the atheist community of Austin a Texas based nonprofit educational organization promoting positive AH theism positive positive atheist culture and the separation of religion and government a little factoid today are atheists experience Youtube Channel has two hundred eighty three thousand subscribers. Oh my goodness and end eighty million views. Oh my goodness wow and there's a huge amount of content there. If you want to go get your atheist on after the show you can join us at six thirty or so for an after the show dinner conversation rotation with host crew members of our live studio audience there energetic bunch <hes> and we are at the A._C._A.. Free Thought Library fifteen seven West Koenig Lane in Allendale I think is the name of the neighborhood parking is on the street. The meal today is free but we asked for donations to offset expenses tonight. WE ARE HAVING JERSEY. Mike's subs yeah and let's see we have a special announcement <hes> the the <hes> yearly A._C._A.. Bat crews weekend is September twenty first and twenty-second. We generally encourage folks. If you're going to come to Austin from out of town. Come on down and visit with us. We <hes> have a pre crews lecture sure but we have yet to have a speaker figured out the tickets are available for the back crews <hes> via our products webpage on our website and I believe they're gonNA put a link up a bit link about that and and we will have other events formal and informal that weekend to to entertain folks and and it's a great play a great time to come down and meet people and <hes> commiserate and and enjoy Austin which is an awesome place. We'll watch the bats from the crews and <hes> generally a nice kinda relaxing low key fund weekend okay and you don't have any topics or announcements today right not day today. Maybe maybe soon <hes> okay <hes> so I normally do topics when I'm in the CO host chair but since Jennifer didn't bring a topic today I have a special message to Christians and those practising Abraham ick religions. I'll try to keep this brief. <hes> there's a few facts <hes> in Matthew six twenty four it says no no one can serve two masters either you will hate one and love the other or you will be voted to one in despise the other you cannot serve both God and money well. This is also true of serving both God and mankind you cannot serve both and there is an inherent conflict of interest here so I if you love God with all your heart as according to Matt Did you Matthew Twenty to thirty seven it means you're choosing God in his commands over your fellow man and you cannot have it both ways you cannot trick an all new in God and you cannot pretend God belief is not harmful you gotta pick one or the other so some advantage examples of this conflicts of interest well God orders killing throughout the Bible <hes> including which is and such <hes> M._l._S. tights and others a whole. There's a long list <hes> Jesus says to leave your family family and follow him. Maybe maybe it'd be better off with your family. The persecution and motor murder of Jews infidels idol worshippers is is advocated in the Bible. <hes> women are the natural use of the woman is to bear children indoctrinate alternate tie Feature Tigers <hes> religious control of contraceptives another evil sabotage of science education many others <hes> Christianity like many religions is very harmful yet. There's some good <hes> there's some good in Christianity she hannity <hes> but overall very bad. <hes> Christianity has the highest kill rate of any religion and is there there is no recourse <hes> in Christianity to remedy this Intrinsic Evil that I'm pointing out so there are two sides you can either be on God's side or you can be on the side of humanity. I and my fellow atheists are on the side of humanity and we recognize that owning people as slaves wrong and that Christianity the entity continues has and continues to support such evil <hes> we want to protect children from being tortured as witches we want to protect them from being molested by clergy suffering and dying early from superstitious beliefs or bread into into indentured servitude to an evil God. We want to protect the environment not give credence to the ideas Jesus will fix fix it or the cup. Apocalypse is coming coast so it doesn't matter <hes> we value humanity over the alleged wants and desires of invisible monsters so there is a war. I wish there wasn't a war but as is going on religions have started the war when they murdered High Patia when they when they took the motto Kill Them All God will know his own when they burned gio donor Bruno Bruno as a heretic when they forced Galileo to recant his scientific facts when they tortured and bird hundreds of thousands of witches even though there's never been any evidence that there ever has been a witch they have quoted the Bible to justify slavery. They've sabotage the teaching of the theory of evolution throughout the U._S. and in favor of creations nonsense they have fought against the the rights of women including not to be to to into including not to be on his property <hes> to own property to vote or to have full citizenship <hes> and when you run a child molestation ring with thousands of victims tens of thousands of victor's what propagating propaganda as rising your moral virtue <hes> and there's a war going on when the when they become the master of tortures and you still today th rarely threatened people with torture you are my enemy simply. Put you are the enemy humanity civilization and moral virtue and if I'm not nice to you it's because you're treason to humanity not not because I'm persecuting you for for being righteous I I'm tired of being called rude when I'm when you leroux willfully ignorant of the intrinsic evil of your religion and you're willing participation in it and I'm tired of you externalizing religious harm while claiming privileges like tax breaks so to the theorists. Do you really WANNA war. I humbly suggest suggests that you decide made a conscious decision about which side you'd be on be aware that humanity will win. We have reason science and morality on our side. We have won the war against all the other gods that that humans have made up nearly all the other gods. There's a few of them still around. Of course these are all fictional entities by the way <hes> you don't get to claim ignorance while religion is happy manipulate your ignorance to fund. It's evil. You are responsible for your choices. Even if if you don't think you've made a choice and what do you think you'll gain what what would you gain in turning turning treason turning trainer to humanity. Do you think you're GONNA fly around in play the harp singing praise God praise God praise God but for all eternity. Is that what you're selling humanity out for. Are you going to have endless trams sex according to C._S.. Lewis while watching the eternal torments of nonbelievers. Is that what you're selling human humanity out for how about fucking seventy two regenerating virgins endlessly for all eternity and don't forget the serving boys at least at least Islam. Has something concrete that they're offering <hes>. Maybe you'll maybe you're selling out humanity to find your car Arco's when you lose them. I Dunno <hes> but but think about that I'd I'd like to know and what is the likelihood of you. Actually getting this thing that you you think you're going to get <hes>. If you think you're going to get a perpetual orgasm in outer space or whatever <hes> how likely is it <hes> the Christian Church has sold told so many lies and there's no substantial evidence for God and there's tens of thousands of religious sects that Christian sects that can't can't agree on the basic tenants of Christianity and prayers a proven failure. I've I've done sixty or so odd failures. There should be zero if if you have an omniscient omnipotent God on your side and you can talk to him and and get all the right answers and how sad would it be if you're selling out your health sell fellow man for a bogus fraud <hes> if and your legacy would be nothing more than being vector for a disease pox upon the human race and MHM civilization so consider your choices and make sure these are the things that you really want fist <hes> why you don't have to be our enemy <hes> but as your choice and Matt asks why why do you believe in wine. I'd like to know what what is worth selling out your fellow human beings and realistically how likely is that you're going to get that reward so that's that's my little special measures for Christians a little bit strident but <hes> let's go ahead and move to calls unless you have any any comments. I'm ready okay. I right we will take how about <hes> Jacob Jacob and from Missouri. You are on with Don Jana Jacob again. How's it going great? How are you? I'm just making sure you guys can hear me clearly your youngest creationist right. Yes that is correct. Okay now. <hes> I let your guy no and I'm actually I was Kinda funny because I wasn't in this and I didn't call you guys looking for debate. I was actually looking for more of your guys. Perspective on a matter originally wished to talk them that but ah I honestly think that you guys probably know well enough and you guys are probably scripturally sound enough. At least you've studied enough to know what I'm asking. You guys usually within that pretty pretty well solid well. You know we're we're we don't we don't worship Matt Matt here. Let me just way out with where I'm going and let you guys Kinda. Roll it from. There is some fair to that's fine but but maybe before we get there. You should know that that atheists don't put a whole lot of stock in the Bible so I'm not saying Minutia the Bible you know maybe maybe something that agendas interested in but <hes> but it's not something that's my strong suit but got mine either. I'm sorry I didn't need to talk when I'm actually after is since because you guys have a direct opposition of my position. I'm actually leaning on that that perspective because your guys unbiased opinion leads to some more accuracy when it comes to doctrine you understand what I'm saying because a lot of people whenever they have a tendency to be biased more forgiving towards what the doctor doctrines say so they'll convoluted undiluted with untruth or something because it's the field warm good people and I don't believe that you guys really honestly care so I'm looking for your position okay. That's matter okay well. We we try to we try hi to believe true things yeah and the reason I've actually listened to a previous episode and you guys had another lady on there and she debated eyelid calling theistic or progressive evolutionist. Basically you know what that means. I don't think I need to explain it. Somebody who believes that God started the first particle evolved and progressed and things like that and God's Power Steering Right Yeah Yeah Yeah. That's exactly what I'm saying. Okay so what I'm creating now is a spectrum. I'm at the young earth and you you guys know what all that it sounds. I don't need explain it and you guys are atheists so you're on the opposite side of the spectrum. I would say so yeah okay cool. So what do we think of this middle ground or is that where you're going what I'm actually looking at how you feel about because middle ground. Do you feel that theistic. Evolution is undock terminally backed and it's actually derive from exterior sources from the Bible. I don't think it's really relevant what I feel well. Do you guys agree. I if we're going to go with direct scripture do you think or whatever you have studied I would I from my perspective. I would say that the doctrine of the Bible does not teach theistic evolution it does not I'm not asking you. Do you agree with the Bible. Let me ask you let me let me turn around and ask you a related question and that is sure do you. Do you think that got answers prayers. That's relevant to what we're talking about. Well I do. I don't think it is because if God is answering prayers and giving guidance to people and you know giving things to people who that may ask for things then he is actively involved in the universe and doing things in the universe right okay well we. We can assume that what I'm after is do you or based on so you read. Does the scripture teach a six-day creation and literal six days or do you or do you think that it is you're capable of inserting ammonia or eons it into the sixteen creation reading is not because of atheists actually it's because of people like Hugh Ross and things like that which I think are in the middle ground of our spectrum right but I don't read does not mean forcing you guys to agree with I can I can say takeout Bible Study Pollen Real quick. I I don't read scripture so when you say things like when you read the scripture. What do you think I don't read scripture? Can you give reason why I read. I've read genesis and you know yes. Yes it does say six days and there's no equivocation on days and and yes to have a longer time creation time you have to you have to <hes> somehow finagle days into eons and so much the right how hard it is to get you know and it's not that I'm not I'm not forcing just because you said yes. The Bible says that I'm not saying that you agree with what the Bible set not me saying. I'M NOT GONNA go parade around now and say see every with me. No you are saying ask the Bible. It's kind of hard to cert- that amount of time so I you know put that as one of tens of thousands of problems with the Bible stories right well and I'm sorry Jen I'm so I I was under the impression <hes> the <hes> the guy I call it and he said you're former Catholic so I did Megan assumption that you did re. I'm sorry for that. I mean you know like through and through but that was just as valid honestly my only question okay. I deal with a lot of people I think that reading the Scripture you know there is cards to talk. Maybe you remember I'm saying but he talks about water hot and cold water and lukewarm you know he rejects luke warm. I believe now I'm not saying on hot or cold. How old are you but I know that we are opposite so the spectrum and the theistic people and the progressive are Kinda in the middle ground trying to blend both of us together? Do you agree with that yeah and there's a lot of bending over backwards backwards to to try to make it fit real coming from that was a real quick so having been a Catholic and my limited experience with the scripture was that I believed that because I had gone to church every single Sunday my whole life that I had just I heard it so I didn't spend a lot of time on my own reading it because I thought oh well. I'm going to hear it in church or C._C._D.. Class or somewhere anyway so and then when it got to difficult things that you know hearing different versions of how the earth was created <hes> I i. I kinda just went with what I felt right so I just assumed most will I I had when it when I was approached with something that was confusing to me than I would assign whatever I wanted to it so I I gradually became more of a Oh we'll but everybody knows the Bible's just full of metaphors. Nobody can take it seriously and so it's just I just kind of yeah and I think Catholocism more than the Protestant sex <music> are not real big on interpreting the Bible themselves they <hes> PR prefer to have the Catholic Church interpreted for them in fact I think it was sort of a bit of a mistaken in some ways that they they allow the Bible will be printed up and allow common people to read it right yeah and and I would agree with you there. I think that was one of the biggest mistakes leading to other people for your understanding if I went to you and said hey what do you think about this and you told me and I'm like well I guest must be true that leads all kinds of problems until you get to different saying the exact opposite thing yeah exactly and I I agree and that's one thing like I would rather talk to an atheist who completely disagrees with me because at least as we have clear definition we're I'm kind of coming to you guys clear definition I would. I would ask you this. Would you mind if I quoted you on that not saying like oh you agree with what the Bible says but you agree that the Bible says it I do you know what I'm sure you make me okay. I I wish to everybody was so but with the caveat that I'm not a Bible expert in and I did look up days in a concordance to to see if there was any wiggle room there H. argument and there was not not re- wiggle room that I could find but I know they're in and that's how I and at least but from looking at an algorithm you know you look at a bunch of numbers you ultimately are going to get one single answer and that's how I look at it that it's like whether you believe the Bible or not. I'm not and this is not an assertion that it's true this thing. At least its own. logical algorithms are consistent with itself are they. I don't think Santos the biblical creation says I create insect days and Blah Blah Blah so therefore anybody who is going to want to change that. We're going to have to really work hard to make that not that it's my impression that the genesis is is is largely a collection of just so stories of you know. This is why we have to work. This is why life is so hard. This is why women suffering childbirth. This is why there's day and night and like I I told him I wasn't into the bay but I agree with you. In the sense that all of those I would call an abstract concepts can be used to clarify the context but when you're dealing with abstract concepts they have to coincide with contradiction contradictional law. That's why abstract be one you deal with abstraction. You get a lot of interpretation issues so that's where a lot of people instead of using their own mind. They would just like you said in Catholicism go to somebody else said I'll tell you know the Bible strikes me as if it were written by if it were written by an all-powerful being for our understanding I think I I think he did a crappy job. <hes> it's not very clear and it it an invites all sorts of interpretation. It's wisps of stories that you're you're supposed to sort of fill in the blanks to and of course people are GonNa they come up with different interpretations well here. Let me give you let me give you <hes> you know what I I like. I said I wasn't into. I wasn't wanting to call for a long. I just wanted to get your guy's opinion on does the Bible. If you WANNA stop here. We can agendas conversation. Maybe I can call or another time. Let's do that. Let's do that well. I appreciate your call and I hope that you and the other Christians figure out what it says we all right. They Care Jacob correct right next up <hes> let's go with <hes>. Let's see frank in Connecticut. I thank you are on with Don Gina. Oh are you guys doing thank you mhm today I wanted to <hes> you know man and the guys on a show <hes> a lot of times they talk about slavery in the Bible. Oh the God y'All Way Jehovah. I am whatever name Eagles Right <hes> condoned condone slavery which is true but there was a will use the word Christian 'cause that's the word that the church church branded <hes> the followers of the Christ okay <hes> <hes> the first group of Christians I use that word that according to records and things that they find that were hanging around with the Christ <hes> Organi Gnostic I guess we could use the word gnostic and they believe that the way of of the Old Testament was actually an impostor guys and evil God <hes> was my understanding is that Christianity grew out of Judaism and <hes> they were they were Jews first and foremost foremost and then and then they started recruiting gentiles <hes> and got rid of the circumcision restriction and made it a wide open thing <hes> but but it it was sprung very clearly the out of Judaism and Judaism didn't believe what you say <hes> Eileen I'm here. I'm sorry yes so I was saying I was saying that. Christianity party is a derivative of Judaism and <hes> has a lot of a lot of tendrils back into Judaism and the god God of the Old Testament is is the same for both religions but I'm just <hes> you know with the records that they find hostas. You know the church when the church established they did a pretty good pershing of the so-called GNOSTIC followers of Christ ones that were when Christ came Christ was a <hes> was the true aspect of the true light. I guess if you WANNA call it because the universe is is what is frequency vibrations light and all and well there were there were a a lot of Christian variants and there was a purging of a lot of different variants and at some point and <hes> you know if if they purged the wrong one then it's really not the problem of atheism. It's it's you know if it's kind of like the last S. call us like I'm not saying that it is the problem yeah. They're saying he said honestly real real quick. You said that Jesus came in. He was the true the true what okay when are you familiar with the unfamiliar with a term and but I'm not I'm not an expert on early Christianity. Those were supposedly the <hes> you know the ones that were hanging around the Christ when he came and I and wait so hold on so how do you define agnostic. Dustin is what she nasty. I'm sorry how you define nonstick. Their belief belief is that the god of the Old Testament is is is an pasta. She's not the true guy within pot somebody who calls himself a nonstick believes that the god of the Old Testament isn't imposter is not true he he's an impostor e.. L. Owns there may have been the sex there but they didn't win so generally histories written by the winners <hes> lion or would always is and then so when the Christ game the free is from the prison that there's fake God put us in we. How do you know this first that there was a fake God and then a real guide? How can you tell the difference by what I'm trying to clarify where why this guy of of the Old Testament? Estimate would condone slavery and where to fix in. It's it's an as that he's the Sake God way so this is this is a rather elaborate way of trying to defend <hes> slavery. I think the French waiver at all so are you saying hold on can ask you a question just to make sure that I'm following you because I don't think that I am. Are you saying that the reason that the Bible condone slavery is because that was a fake God but now now we have a real God that doesn't true what happened so are you saying look on a on a on a garage what happened was are you saying that yes or no yes the whole the Old Testament God is a fake God not the real. He's an impostor. He's nothing so. How do we know who the real God is? And how do we know the real. God is now the Christ Frank and asking you a question. We don't want. We please answer jenness question well. I guess we have to look within. We have to look within ourselves ourselves and raised in raise our internal <hes> frequencies aren't vibrations and what does that mean how to read that I think looking within ourselves meditations I meditate then I can find the real God I mean there's a possibility. What did I meditate tonight? I decide that slavery is a good idea. The House that a good idea. I'm not saying that is that that's you know you're you this. This argument isn't terribly different by then saying oh well you just you just gotTa believe or take it on faith or whatever I think I'm following. I'm just trying to figure out what are you finding within that. I'm not because I do meditate and I don't find a God but you're saying that if I can meditate and you and somehow tone my frequencies. I don't really know what that means so. I'm just wondering if you can clarify for me so that I can find this. God God if you can tell me how do I look within and use my frequencies to find whatever God that you believe is actually real versus the impostor God from the Old Testament cure you. I can't tell you that you don't so then. Why should I believe like if you can't put it to me? Than why should I believe anything that you're saying. I'm not saying to believe it or not. Believe it. I'm just giving a different variation of what branch of Christians who supposedly you okay so we're trying to find out what the evidence for God is not just different. You know different ideas. I'm trying to find out if you have any reason to believe that even trying to grant Lucas ancient how all you can assemble at the Pentagon. How is that relevant at all or on just saying the early Christians used to use Pentagram? How is that relevant to the old testament versus the old fake God in the new guy? I don't know how it has to do with anything. Here's what happens we've when when you when people think Pentagram we'll comes into their head right off the bat which it depends on where you grew up and where you heard of it well for the most part a lot of people. Let's say in the Western Hemisphere United States. It's been branded as something open for which is it's been branded as something for the word occult when when you hear it a word of cult people think oh culture seems to the knowledge it's just means knowledge. I could hide a penny. I have it in knowledge. I have a coat and our okay. So where are you going with. Ah was was the when like his like the gentlemen said before history is Roe written by the victors so the church wanted their own symbols. They wanted their own their own way. Okay they burned in the library of Alexandria destroy who knows how much knowledge that if that knowledge were saved. We probably wouldn't be here having this conversation so it was still true. Though don't you think we could find another way to find that knowledge another other piece of evidence is something new something I think you're right. I think the knowledge is probably out there right in front of our faces hidden from us in front of our faces if you if you also think it's hidden. Why do you even think there? That's why I wonder if we have to. We have to really be able to to to discern from it to fern what it is. I personally believe that their secret societies that probably have knowledge a lot of things. Maybe maybe maybe they know some stuff. Maybe they don't why should we believe in this imposter. God is in the Bible but you have a real God. Why should we believe do you think we should believe in the in the real God? I believe that I believe that <hes> something I'm not GonNa say what it is. What is what it's not gonNA? Put the word dot on it. I'm not going to put the word father or mother because I think at this force is neither. I think it's I can't explain what this forces and nobody can. That's why we're having these arguments so I do you believe it's their issue something that I feel I I just you know I look around and I say you know feet feelings and and faith or something bigger feelings and faith are just a reliable way of being wrong right because there's many more you can take anything you can take anything anything on faith. You can take anything you can have a feeling about seeker so let me ask you a question and so so if you feel it and that's why you believe it you're saying that's why you believe it is because you feel it right are you. Just you know seeker right right. So Do you feel it and that's why you believe it. Do I feel it. I just I try to use just maybe just commonsense. I mean there's always something I could go to the gym right now. <hes> nobles I could throw five hundred on the bench channel problem being banged up but I there's guys on there. That could do six okay. <hes> I got a motorcycle that goes I could get one hundred twenty miles a hundred miles and there's guys aren't that unless we wind just little big inch <hes> well. There's always something greater. There's in the concept of things you know. There's always something higher on the ladder. So what makes it so I agree. There's a possibility that there is something out there that we have no idea what is we have no way to detect it. We have no way to tell what it is now. I've learned about two things called dark matter and dark energy and there's a lot we don't know about those two really big things that are out there and we don't know much so so how do you know it's not dark matter and dark energy that you feel and instead you think it's God well dark matter is there's more dark matter than white. I mean we're limited to what we can see what we can feel so so are there still are take frank is is that the time to believe something is when there's sufficient evidence for <hes> we we don't consider feelings to be significant sufficient evidence and if you're if you're believing in something feeling no no no I understand what people can feel really opposite things. I mean I can feel that you know <hes> Buddha's the real God I can feel that peer man's the Real God. I can feel that Jesus the real God but what I'm trying to figure you're out is how do we tell the difference. What do we have to work with to actually prove that any of them exist? I think that's an individual journey he <hes> that's an individual journey. Each one is different. It's sad that there's not like a like of concrete way to find out if there's a god if I have to find it to an end up in heaven or a hell or if I if this is the ultimate goal of my life is to serve this God or worship or believe in it or whatever you think I should do with this God but I I have to find it on my own. I can't just I can't ask I can't learn from other people's experiences. I can't do what you did well. I don't know about serving it because if this horse why would it needs to be served. I don't know author real over there. Why would God need a starship right but I mean I exactly so? You're saying you don't understand. You don't know why I should think I should serve it. I'm saying I don't know why you believe it exists. Do you believe it. I'm not I'm not in word. You know we're all secrets for we all see the light in one way or another searching you know a foundational belief. Perhaps that atheists have is that there is a there is a shared reality here and we want to try to understand what it is and and what's in it and how things things work and these sorts of things that we want to believe as many true things as possible and not believe very important is many not true things a believe for the right reasons also <hes> and so we're you know we're kind of an paresis. We WanNa know the where's the beef here. Where where is this God? <hes> how. How can we interact with it? How can we determine anything about it? Sibley it. It's fine to be a seeker but but that's not necessarily going to give you <hes> a tree direction life because <hes> if you're if you're jumping on fads and and what feels good then you know you're you're just I understand that but I don't jump on on a fad I mean how do you notice isn't a fad good nicely because it's been around for those for a long time. We've ever old old ideas out there along there. There's a lot of old ideas and so. How do we know which ones are real? How do how can I tell the difference between someone like George Washington and Peter Pan Looking back into history I mean I mean it seems like you? You don't Wanna I understand what you're saying. I I understand what you're saying. I'm just saying that there was a branch of of believers rivers that supposedly were hanging around the man himself you know if he was real and Jesus. Never you know Jesus was supposedly the Christ was was the aspect aspect of that true force in that true force supposedly according to their beliefs is inside of us. The problem is is that the is that it's it's been the lockdown because the false god he iway the the the abomination Galway <hes> does not want us to be free from the the prisoner right and it's like test that you got an elaborate story here and and boy sounds it sounds like a good fictional interesting you know but but how can we find out for real if that's actually how it is. Are you think we have to have to. It's like listen if you have something open up vibrates high frequency. I don't know why a subject when I ask you a question so it's it's it's going to relate to it. VIBRATES on a high enough frequency eventually will disappear. We can't see once once it gets beyond our physical aspects of taking the old car antennas. I see real fast right. You're saying that we just can't see it anymore. So that's fine. That's great. I get that but how do we but why should I believe that there is actually something air if there isn't I'm not saying that believe God she dance your journey. That's your journey I can't I it doesn't matter if I believe it. It's your journey. It's so does it matter if I believe it or not. Does it matter. Does it matter at all to anyone if I believe it or not I don't know I don't know maybe some people okay so a good time to end the call. Well thank thank you <hes>. We don't believe <hes> we we haven't been presented sufficient evidence. We appreciate your call and good luck with your narcissism thing here mance. Thanks Frank Sorry we couldn't help right next up. We have <hes> Jonathan from England and you have evidence for the resurrection. Is that right I at least an evidence yeah. We're looking forever and expand. We'd love evidence. Can you hear us right thing you. I'm very well so yeah I want to talk about the evidence for the resurrection particularly the the the <hes> evidence pertaining to the Post resurrection appearances experienced by the disciples after Jesus Death <hes> personal. Let's just get offensive <hes> far long road you would agree with me on. Would you agree that the the potholes made claims after the resurrection or after Jesus damage you appear to live from the dead. There are stories about apostles. That's about as far as I would go. You wouldn't feed the apostles claimed you had risen from Denver to them. I'm not personally convinced that the apostles actually are real so really I mean what would you say about the eyewitness. Testimony also Paul preventable stories of testimonies and stories of this. I mean you you made the claim that you <hes>. You're skeptical that the really existed. I'm curious how you deal with the I win money from New Paul because obviously well he he met the apostles claims witness testimonies interesting so that's kind of like you saying. You don't believe that Peter Pan Exists but my goal is to figure out why you think that but that Peter Pan used <hes> you know pixie dust so are the eyewitness sources concerning Peter Pan Wendy Wendy wasn't eyewitness wasn't Yeah Yeah Wendy was their evidence to Wendy existed not that I found well. There's overwhelming evidence the politics that evidence <hes> what we have <hes> look for the Paul for example. We have the thirteen letters of pollen than you demanding. Okay we got all I believe that POL existed. I believe he wrote letters. <hes> there's a lot of fabrication in those letters <hes> how do we get from from letters and stories to supernatural events okay. I'm I'm just questioning <music>. I'm acclaimed <hes> just a few minutes goes that you're skeptical that the wrongful personally yes and I'm willing to I'm willing to go with you and hypothetically and say if they did exist then then what <hes> but I'm not hard convinced that they were they. Weren't you know fifty people that people just heard about and wrote stories about I don't I don't know multiple lines of eyewitness. Testimony concerning the new theory is reputable scholar caller would debate that I mean it's I it's my understanding that the earliest document was <hes> mark and it was written around ninety and so I actually we have sources <hes> I mean that's not even the liberal remark I mean <hes> liberal environment probably date market in the seventies A._D.. I personally date mark and in the fifties <hes> but <hes> we have sources that Predate Mark's Gospel for sprinting for example was written between fifteen fifty five eighty <hes> and we have a WHO and this is all right okay the from some of them are very early. Voting is probably the earliest epistle Paul <hes> and within a letters we actually have material preserved for us which was very very early indeed most famously of course being the cradle tradition summarizing prescriptions fifteen verse three and through seven <hes> so how how do we know that all wasn't just pulling the fast asked one on the early Christians and get free dinner everywhere he went well always had persecution. We know that from new from numerous sources with from testimony from eyewitness testimony of others <hes> Ah for example in China so in so if somebody's persecuted they're telling the truth is is that is Jack Layton deer in one thing that that he did nothing. I'll be the two game <hes> for from from making things up and everything to lose. He she looked at the laundry list of his sufferings really to increments in chapter eleven it along and we also do you think from Roman Akbar about sorry. Do you think that because he had in in this situation because he had everything to gain nothing to lose that means that it's true everything to lose nothing again. It doesn't mean it's <hes> it is true if it means that he iverson sphere and so the question was was he making things up but it was true. That's what I'm concerned about. I'm not concerned about necessarily what the story is until I can get past the idea that it's true you know what I mean. We we so we have three when anyone makes a claim right. We have three contending head policies. We have hypothesis that they are correct. We got the hypothesis that they're honestly mistaken. We have the hypothesis that they lied right <hes> and so I'm arguing the so I would argue against hypothesis the pollinated up and I would argue against then called this is that he was honestly mistaken and so then that would be my argument <hes> for the the point is the the reason I bring policier. Paul provides some testimony that the apostles made claims concerning the resurrection the claims you had risen from the had appeared to them after his death and that's ban screenings fifteen where he writes to the person's running from apposite in the early all was you know promoting promoting these ideas <hes> and I yeah I don't know let's let's assume for the sake of argument that we agree that there there were there were apostles <hes> and there were these stories <hes> you know. What's your favorite story my favorite story sorry if that sounded really insensitive? I didn't mean it though I mean most significant story the resurrection and the Gospel Okay Okay so that's that's. That's the one you called about right. <hes> okay so I'm willing to go with the idea. Let's say the apostles all existed in say they all had eyewitness testimony and they all say that the resurrection happened and you who have evidence for that how do we how do we find that evidence right. We we have evidence that the apostles claimed this from Paul from the Gospel and I hope he's the purpose of argument and move forward and I think the evidence that'd hey boss claimed that is overwhelming that is the skull fences and across the electrical spectrum that also came to believe heterogenous had appeared to them now when we look at the the claims concerning the nature and variety the reservation experiences reported quoted by the Gospels we see that they are multi sensory or pulling character that to say that the involve not just fight but group sightings group conversations with Jesus physical contact with Jesus Eating Breakfast with Jesus on the short the Galley et cetera moreover. I know I'm not <hes> and moreover according to acts one it was <hes> reported. The resurrection experiences reported to have an over forty days so it was not just one confusing okay. We got a lot of stories and half a lot of half-baked evidence doesn't get you to the truth so right and it okay so what what is what is the definition of evidence to you. <hes> well I find evidence invasion terms as evidence e. evidence for your hypothesis. Hey if and only the probability greater given given age so in other words if he taking those ration- what what does the probability that a human can resurrect I mean finish the finding then we can talk about that okay and if you imagine a course thing <hes> and you have the accused and the forensic scientists presents the <hes> the murder weapon which has the accused fingerprints on the murder on the handle or something like that that is evidenced by the hypothesis because it's more probable or more expected given hypothesis of guilt or innocence and so that have I have so unfamiliar unfamiliar with Beijing Analysis and you know you have to you have to have initial probabilities for a lot of things if you're GONNA try to make an argument with that and you are <hes> assuming that God's exists in these sorts of things and and <hes> I would I would give initial probabilities of those zero because we have no evidence for guards yes and having no evidence doesn't make the proper ability zero a well. Don't get to make up a number zero. Tell me exactly okay how you'd make up a a number of the probability of the existence of God in order to plug into your equation to to arrive at Jesus resurrected and to acquire by understanding when you're regarding proper ability is on to claim a research approachability zero means that you have to demonstrate some logical inconsistency in the proposition while we have no evidence for God's right so so that's that's what I would use. The prior are probably zero but there's no evidence that can overcome that so how would you assign for a universe creating pixies couldn't couldn't you construct an argument that that involves those and and you know with some non zero probability come up with all sorts of crazy crazy crap as a result. Well I for one thing I haven't seen any evidence for the businesses. We haven't had K now. We're getting somewhat I so so I I I mean I my Jewish in the proper ability of of the pictures you. Why are we talking about intuition? When we're talking about your you call saying that you had evidence yeah so I said we we have the the Apostolic Concerned The resurrection we and stories Beijing analysis argument so okay so we have three competing hypotheses after the origin of depots believe that Jesus had risen debt and then we have positive they were telling the truth or they were mistaken or they made it up right the fucking story? Come under one of these you know or they didn't even exist yeah could be could be a meaning popular in I mean the hypothesis that didn't exist it on the legend on the level of tourism here but we are. Maybe you know we. There's there's this movie about <hes> Abraham Lincoln Being Vampire slayer why Abraham Lincoln existed but that doesn't mean kill vampires right right but we don't have any eye witnesses claiming he was about to me okay so this is for for any of these things in the Bible either. We've got stories. We have gone so we have evidence that people believed it yeah. We don't have any evidence that it was actually true explanation of that I have I mean if you look at I mean hundreds of years ago we had evidence an and we had enough evidence to make people believe that the world was flat and then we found out we were wrong because we found more evidence. We found better evidence to prove US wrong so now now hold on. I'm not done so so now we're talking about something that we can't necessarily prove wrong because we don't have an earth to test and experiment on and show you that it's actually round so you're like you know with its were passed. The is the earth round or flat argument in the concept of God. We're saying how do we. We know that it's there. We can't see it. We can't touch it. We can't test it. Where is it a forensic analysis because these are events which have transpired in the past and we can't repeat them so we clues why do you you think it's let's say it did exist? Two thousand years ago and Jesus was resurrected and there was a god. How do we have any evidence that that God is still here? Oh okay the dump gone by definition is eternal and eternal but obviously we decided that God's eternal so it's kind of a special pleading thing okay although it's the definition not because God is necessary being being which is necessarily I mean that's moving off the topic. Would you agree that <hes> two thousand year old stories or kind of weak evidence no well it depends depends on the nature of those stories and. And Kansas I suppose suppose they're they're suppose. The story says that that that eighty billion people believe the story in the story. Does that make it more more believable. Does it well the particular case <hes> so let me just think this point but there's this trial. I'm a point we have three disease that they were correct. They made it out or they were honest. Mistake and the fact or their relies is about their their assertions okay but we can demonstrate that falls by looking at <hes> the the the com- planters and also in the gospel of nags that demonstrate the golden. I just because a story has some internal consistency doesn't mean it's true right. I I never thought that <hes> but we have we have <hes> the tradition of sprinting d-notice although the endorsement of deny after all the done describing the appearances with on zone experience with resurrection in Verse Eleven he says whether than it was the eye or they meaning the apostles you just mentioned so we preach and so he believes and so does he assumes that the message he's never claiming concerning the resurrection with with the same as that proclaimed previously to`Secret Games by the Apostle Peter James in the twelve okay. I'm not buying any of this. I'm sorry with independent reason to think that the Greenwich were familiar and acquainted with Peter's reaching you mentioned that the divisions actions in the midst of the Corinthians again again if if a story is internally consistent as a true no. I've never said that point so then. Why are we still going on about the story? We're so we don't we. We don't believe the story and you're telling me it's internally consistent. We're we're employing Brennan <unk> analyses. We're looking at the these <hes> OWL's and I can't which Brennan I would attachable or written by witnesses and determining or these <hes> eyewitnesses credible <hes> define. The resurrection reports their stories of eye-witnesses when you have an eyewitness hold on when you have an eyewitness you have. You have a lot of things that you have to work around. You have to work around what that I witnesses claiming to see. You have to work on whether or not that I witness is likely to lie. You have to work on whether that eyewitness is likely to be wrong which I mean that's huge for any person that has ever existed. Did that's very likely that he person can be wrong. You have to you have to look at so many things at for each individual eyewitness and prove that each thing is reliable and it's like you're saying that just because they're eye witnesses that we know that it's it's true and it's like well. We have eyewitnesses for things today that we can write off as completely invalid illogical not that we noticed trivia causes. I wouldn't the port of the evidence for it but it's in west the better evidence better than I witnessed two thousand years. You're giving week evidence for something that is miraculous and and you need to have strong evidence right something. That's mark you. Don could tell me right now. I just met Don before the show Oh and he could tell me that he has a lexus outside and I'd say okay cool. Do I believe him all sure why not but he could say that his lexus is not only blue but it flies and it runs off of milk and and you know that's outrageous claim right. So what should I do to figure out whether or not that's true. Well okay. There's going to be a lot. That's going to have to prove to me that that's real and everybody in the audience agrees right and so if everybody says Oh you know what Don's Don really does drive a car that runs on milk and it flies and all this stuff. It's like okay now. Let's look and see is this claim two thousand years old and how do we really know if don owned a car that flew blue and on milk and it was two thousand ago. She's years ago okay. There's a few things in their first thing that <hes> is not much <hes> it's not so much that the I wouldn't and more than I rented testimony important here so by their stories right I mean finish stories of studies have shown so there aren't there are really no eyewitnesses because we can't interview any any of those people don't even use that term because it's a lie with a lot eyewitness. We don't know that we can talk to and and and interrogate about this eventally can't verify that so what can we verify but we didn't have her statements and verify we we have we have something claimed to be their statements right and we indicated by Brennan examined analysis. We can look at how the interlock with one other do. That's not good enough for me. If a story is internally consistent doesn't make a true right bar to the point that there's no evidence that could ever persuade wait you. Maybe you know God could got home and fix Christianity's evil history and wipe it all clean and make it better and <hes> do that today and I would believe that there was a god so no by the way you meant you mentioned the all the old Carl Sagan slogan extraordinary evidence giving the example you gave <hes> I disagree with that. I think all claiming sufficient evidence <hes> and you don't need a single extraordinaire piece of evidence to establish a claim <hes> you can have I do for this one week. Evidence cumulatively extraordinary claims you. I need extraordinary evidence so you are. You're making the claim that you can hook together a bunch of week. You know half-baked things that that may or may not be true and arrive at the truth and then saying as if not this then you'll never accept anything I mean if if you have if you have a sequence of <hes> facts that are individually true. They can't add up to something right. That's how we IAN. Further the age of the universe for example the age of the earth is we we look at a lot of different evidence but but those are not health half-baked things those are not stories they're verified verifying over and over and over again by different and people in different ways they're checked and double checked because their extraordinary claims so we had to come up with extraordinary evidence so what's your extraordinary evidence that Jesus not only existed but he resurrected. He came back from the debt. I'm sorry this is straightforward. Mathematics as the mathematics you multiply relative strength did you won't apply evidence together and so we piece of evidence if you have enough of them destroying evidence okay you've made a lot of logical mistakes here. You've you made a bunch of false dichotomies or false dichotomies where you haven't considered all the possibilities right you <hes> you claim that the evidence I forgot his non zero with with which is basically a nonstop from your. I'm sorry I I we were talking at that particular point about the prior probability of dot which is zero. That's what we would use right because we don't have evidence for God it. It's the same prior probability you'd use for UNICORNS right. If you wanted to make a fake story about UNICORNS your prior probability would be zero start off. Not I'm thinking it proper. UNICORNS existing is higher than zero okay. So how many things can you dream up that that have a non zero probability lots lots of things okay we're triple Ari Bachelors <hes> right right and so by definition so you're agreeing that whatever Beijing analysis you're going to do is necessarily incomplete why because he because you're not considering all those things it's it seems like you're you need to make an infinite argument factoring in unicorns in flying pixies and and Marta can for example heavy read <hes> the chapter in compassion after the <hes> by Timothy mcgrew would make the Beijing argument signing properly ability which is generously low and <hes> and grain calculate a studio and probability of the Resurrection Action Based on a reasonable estimates the relevant factors and their analysis. I would consider something like mathematical masturbation I haven't I haven't read it but I can pretty much assume it's it's a big pile of B._S.. Plea tell you what why don't you are right right right. The show <hes> T._v.. AT ATHEIST EXPERIENCED DOT COM <hes> I will personally respond to your email. I would a love for you to give me this. <hes> this <hes> particular evidence I'll take a look at it and I will try to find some flaws in it and show you that it's that is not not acceptable and <hes> <hes>. I'm GonNa let you go for now. I do appreciate your call <hes> next Jonathan Okay <hes>. Let's see let's go with Paul and New York. You are grieving. Is that correct. Hey how're you doing. Hey Paul. How are you gonNA be better? <hes> a <hes> my mother earlier earlier this morning and I'm sorry what anybody else <hes> and <hes> you know the show's really don't often me <hes> formed a lot and it's really opened my eyes to a lot of things and my mother was voted Christian really all life and one of the things I'm struggling with guys is I'm just running to discern wondering not I and my mother is service or disservice by incorporating the ideologies of K._p.. Is You know towards the end. She was operating before you before you go off incorporating them into what an argument with her or eulogy or or one well yeah. I guess posing an argument that there's you know that God doesn't exist or at least the Christian God complete any <hes> you know now with our pets thing. I'm not kill <hes> not steam or guilt atheist but I feel like I still heard joy a- and although I know how much Christianity and other <hes> faith-based religions can fill the person up and also ship them everything. There's still a lot of people out there that experienced in such tremendous amount of Julian happy for religion and again. That's that's why actually guys or telling you guys that I'm having a really hard time. Discerning where as eighth is where do we draw the line especially with you know people that are close to us <hes> especially. I'll let ones where you know are we. Maybe or at least me maybe a little hypocritical at times where we're trying to bring people outer volition especially organized religion for happiness enjoy and freedom but yet if we you know deprive them of the one thing that maybe they're holding onto one thing whether it's Christian God or rock or anything that they want to unify should there be line is the relying and should there be a line that we don't cross <hes> to spare their feelings and to spare what they're holding onto whether we agree with their views or not I don't know I don't know that there's a hard and fast rule there. You know you it is true that religions sometimes give people comfort. I wanted to to make the point that sometimes religions agents can terrify people to and I think that <hes> people who were on their deathbed might very well be terrified of of where they're going to go and whether they're GonNa end up in Hal or not and whether they you know did the right you know <hes> said the prayer the right way and these sorts of things and there's there's a lot of doubts an insecurities associated with that religion and the atheist message on death might might simply be we you don't have any evidence for an afterlife and we don't have any evidence that you're going to exist after after we die and you're not going to be suffering anymore and that might be very comforting for a lot of folks especially especially who are in pain <hes> so I don't know that you you'd necessarily stolen anything from from your your mother. Can I ask what year last experience was with her on this subject. It was really leading atheism. At least that's what she was Super Street. I mean you know she's always carried on some of these sentiments towards you know the cushion got <hes> and then I think there were times that she played j._v. and tell me was you know really you know <hes> you know considering denouncing stuff like that but they still this last round of trying to convince dealer riverside if you will I think it was more heartfelt but you know again when when somebody passes away you know especially you know apparent and you know some of the the things you censor them. Were there is no God and if there is a god God is an of love. There is some ankle life. You tend to think what the hell they thinking on their deathbed. You know that I rattled had them of Donohue said I didn't but and it's GonNa take time to process that I could and we'll play I do but I'm really trying to establish a boundary where you know taking taking people's feelings into consideration you know worldwide that you know people near and dear to us we might not want to release stress or you know constantly take any happiness away from them especially when they're close to the end. I don't know I see it a little differently. I I it that you know. If if you're in a position where you're sort of arguing with somebody who is who is was dying and and <hes> potentially making their last you know hours. <hes> you know <hes> confrontational <hes> I can. I can say see some honest concerns with that but but you had what what I I believe was an honest interaction with your mother about an important topic and I don't think you should apologize for that. I think that that's a perfectly valid thing to do. <hes> you know people who are dying are often very concerned about death and what there was going to happen to them. What you know is there an afterlife and and and will it be painful these these sorts of questions <hes> I lost my husband <hes> about two years ago San and and yeah it is hard and took care of him through his death in and I have a laundry list of regrets little little things that I wish I had done differently or wish I had done for him and I would would say that's just par for the course I would say that everybody who has somebody close to them? Die Has a handful of those things and try to learn from them tried to come up with <hes> some better rules for yourself. <hes> <hes> talk it out with folks. which is what you're doing so so you're you're on the right? Course I think and you know we're all human. We're all just doing the best we can and it's a difficult circumstance. Can I taste good. No I just I just wanted to offer a little bit of my perspective. If that's okay with you <hes> so I recently <hes> cut off my parents and so in a way I've lost them as recently as well <hes> personally I would be more <hes> concerned about your <hes> mother's <hes> death <hes> if the last time that you talked to her had been like a shouting match you know if it had been angry or <hes> just less. You said that she seemed like she was <hes> coming a little bit more towards atheism right right right so it seems like she was starting to use her brain. She was starting to exercise the idea that she might be wrong about this and she was headed in the same direction that you were in. Do you regret where you are now. No no not at all but the thing is the maybe the question is and <hes> I'm sorry feel lost on <hes> what what is more of a disservice not telling someone about atheism <hes> <hes> to spare them their feelings or whatever it might be discussing with them with the possibility that they can use on their fate attrition. What is suture service there? I think that depends well. We we argue with all the time on this show and we have yet to change anybody's mind immediately us rightfully so but when you're thinking of when I'm thinking about close family members and when I think about if they're really indoctrinated and it really would probably terrify them at at the moment about the idea of losing that God and they were on her death bed. I mean I might hold back a little bit <hes> but I wouldn't blame yourself for introducing the the concept to her because it seemed like she kinda took to. It didn't seem like she was angry about it. It didn't seem like she was hurt by it <hes> in this particular situation but at the same time it's like if if she did you know it's she's not in any pain anymore and would have been nice. It would have been nice if she had had the opportunity and the time to go all the way and fully <hes> experience this life but it is what it is you know my major concern <hes> towards the end of was I just didn't want her to rely on face alone. I mean stage for <hes> colon cancer and you know maybe I should refrain maybe not. I don't know I mean it's just I didn't want her going into this this approach to death which insane God's GonNa Save Me God's GonNa Save Me and you know I was really trying to talk censor however what I will. I what I will admit as everyone that was something I have admitted to my wife and myself and maybe maybe someone out there can relate and perhaps <hes> things over little bit and my an atheist because I hate God so much I I knew that total country tried that what you can't be Nathan if you ain't got us that means you believe in God but how many of us and turns atheism because of my hatred towards God whether it'd be the cushion God or a law and you know I gotta Say I think my history may be supersedes. My belief that there isn't a god you know anyone can really yeah and just just just being honest and if anyone could relate to that I went begging them to be more before you toss ably I. I'm not gonNA say still someone's doing before you affect them because religion has an incredible way of positively depending on who you are and that's the power does a better job of that. I my exciting. I'm happy yes I I am am but you know I I have to be totally honest with myself and you know hopefully there's other people out there that can relate and say yeah. Maybe maybe it is just a hatred more than a total displease. It is what if you go to approach someone about views you know be sure you just not doing it out of you know Bassett totally. Not I agree yeah. Examining your motivations is very important and if you come to a conversation conversation with an agenda <hes> it's good to understand where that's coming from in what you hope to get out of it. <hes> it is it is very difficult to sort of talk somebody out of theism <hes> so you're you're you may be overestimating the effect you add on your. I'm sorry to say <hes> <hes> but in general you know <hes> personally I feel like a a lot of religious belief does harm in this world and I want to try to mitigate that harm. That's that's my agenda <hes> in often in talking with C._S._M.. Such <hes> you know if if you have if you have some emotional stuff there that might be worth working through <hes> either individually or or with with in a support group or something <hes> because is. I don't think you're going to be able to have very effective conversations until you kind of work through that. I I'd say work on yourself before you try to work on anyone else. Absolutely yeah I agree more with that and I'm going to really be official the on that and <hes> doing mitigating you know religion too you know people to happiness and stuff like that and I think what I've been doing is is mitigating at of hatred and I can admit that you know really admirable that you can admit that good well and something like you said we're on myself and maybe this wasn't just a question that I have for you guys but also a message that if anyone else is out there doing the same thing it's not necessarily okay but inside something that you know we should also <hes> you know. Destroy Ourselves ourselves over but definitely a crimson and questioning your values in question why you really trying to convert someone really and and I think I'm not the only one that's out there sharing hiring them but yeah all right well. Thank you guys <hes> all thank you for your call. Sorry for your loss. I really hope things get better and I hope that you're doing okay and taking care of yourself. Give it some time yeah. I have my incredibly supportive wife and you were fighting through this together and I again thanks for taking my call it. I'll be okay right man. Thank you. Thank you all right next up. We have kind of related call from Stefan in Illinois. How are you doing? Hey how are you. I am doing awesome audit saying not think I'd get through but this spring <hes> what's up so my sister came to me about <hes> a couple of weeks ago. <hes> asked me about my atheist and she is a hard not really ceus but she's a she's. She's my parents <hes>. She has the about <hes> Jesse. The first question is was <hes> if you're if you're an atheist and how'd you deal with death. How did he do? How do you get out whenever you know that there's nothing better than I I try to answer with? I tried to answer is <hes> whenever you die. That's pretty that's it honestly that's really it but you don't focus on that you focus on you know be stuffing. He do that lifetime said you some Friday and make sure that the gives us outweighs bad stuff and I love your answer it was I th I think you're you're hit on the head and and the key word I think is is honestly right and you're trying to come at it with an honest perception of what's going on right right and you're trying to make do you in a in the face of odds that maybe against you right right right yeah and honestly I I want. I WanNa one teller which I couldn't because we thought we heard someone coming downstairs. My like I said my parents. It's a bolt theorists and I know for <hes> in fact they would have flipped out but I wanted to tell her look. I know that it's scary dying but here's the thing with atheism it's it's I feel it gets better because you have to worry about a deity judging you and if you're not good enough to his or her standards or whatever then if can automatically send you to hell and I wanted wanted to. I wanted to <hes> oh. I wanted to really really really <hes> glorify. I guess without better word fortify that saint to her and tell her look. I know that a scary scary thinking about you know you know what if there's no dot or whatever or an ever 'cause I went to the same thing once he gets atheism once you figure out that this is the only thing how that we know it gives you perspective to live your life. His best suit can because as an issue having more coach you don't WanNa do you don't want to screw anybody over but you don't you also WanNa do as many things you possibly can and I told so many the people this as as as I had to base and arguments you know I'm an atheist but yes every person I've never come into contact to contact with has said that I am. I'm an awesome person. I do whatever I can't and so so I try I wanted to try and and and really really really into her head that you have to be a fierce basically believing in God I feel like it holds you back as you have all these frigging rules and you have to deal with and I mean when homosexuals or transgender people or you know women being second class all I wanted to tell her you know that's the loveliest with with being a fierce with being Christian and your a position is the Christians thinks that women are second class that that that homosexuals are crap and whatever and it's like those are not your you have long. They're not doing anything wrong. You know and women women have justice much power man. Do I mean if you think about it. If you think about it you know women if you think women could have leaving more power to have but by the reality like I said but I wanna tell her was the problem with your religion. The religion that you're being indoctrinated in is women are second pass on the pixels are evil and you have to get to a baby's ways the stuff on it it sounds it sounds like you're sort of in the middle of conversation with your your sister and you you need to you need to maybe finish it and keep keep talking with her and I hope I hope you do so and I hope you have open and honest and non non. What's the word <hes> I don't know have conversations that are productive and meaningful to you too and you hash it out right? I'm GonNa let you go because we're we're short on time and I want to try to clear our callers on some of them have been on the phone a long time but I think you're on the right course man you doing just keep asking housing her questions and just keep being honest all right. Thank you so much. Can you guys I wonder so thank you. Thank you man all right next up. We have <hes> David from Georgia. Welcome Hi David. You're you're having some coming out issues <hes>. I guess you could say that <hes> well. I I WANNA say Don. I've always enjoyed your failures. Are <hes> thank you <hes> my wife and I both really enjoy listening to this show when you do those they're very informative and very much gotTa Angle in perspective. They won't be quick. 'cause I know you're short time and I have a big question. I guess just more in terms. There's really <hes> I've probably did an eight. Sometimes it here but you know I don't WanNa go into that whole story but you know my parents know my father's religious and <hes> wife's parents or non religious there <hes> but we both feel all the speak for myself a little bit crap like people so openly talked about it and I think I feel boxed in at work being public schoolteacher Sir <hes> you know prayers in school. It didn't eating sometimes things like that so I feel a little bit box down. You Know WanNa push back on it but don't WanNa you know yeah me no we're. I'm going to be jeopardized. You're struggling with boundaries. Is what I'm hearing right yeah yeah. That's probably down okay I don't. I don't know if I have any rules for maybe genitals. I don't have any any rules but I can. I can tell you what I'm doing. I'm kind of going through that right now. Actually <hes> so where. Where are you in the coming out do they? <hes> how long ago did you come out and to everyone all at once or was it. Are you making individual phone calls. How are you you know it's been my friends so a lot of them are nonbelievers as well? It wasn't a plan process. <hes> personally you know just kind of started being more honest. <hes> others say this father-in-law talked about are you know and he kinda hit from <hes> <hes> my parents are divorcing hit from kind of his second wife and is <hes> she died but her his third wife now is an unbelievable and we were talking about it and I say that tough he lives in small town in Virginia smaller than where and <hes> he's retired and everything but <hes> I wouldn't say a an atheist but I just avoid the conversation. You should probably just do the same and I just kind of feel like I don't want to hide that the one I don't want to argue especially work very professional totally but never introduce it in my classroom line but everyone else is opening free to give their Christian advice to me. I Really Roll my art. It's you know come on <hes>. Have you ever heard of screwed. epistemology looked into it at all anthony. Yeah yeah the reason I I usually bring <hes> that field up when it comes down to talking to people in your personal life and as opposed to strangers on the street <hes> because it's a very sensitive thing to represent yourself differently than you have before and it can be very confusing to people and that alone can make you you come off as untrustworthy just in the fact that you've changed your mind <hes> so seemingly change your mind right <hes> so I think that the a better way to approach that kind of thing in your personal life when you're you're not sure about how people will take it. You're not sure about what they'll do to you or around you or anything like that is to just ask them. Take the street epistemology approach. Just ask them questions about the things that they are claiming instead of pointing and ridiculing them when they say something that sounds absolutely ridiculous to you now because I I would kinda keep that in your own group you know if at home you can talk like that. That's fine you know. Let that release and let that start to feel normal but the fact is that it's an Georgia in Texas in most those places that I've been it's not normal and so the best way to present yourself in a way that you won't <hes> inspire people to come out and attack you is to not not say anything but just ask them and usually I've found from my hi experience being asked questions is more like the more likely to make me start questioning the things that I believe than for people to tell me things because I don't know how many times people have told me so many things. I'm like yeah. I don't know what you're talking about but if somebody asks me a question that I'm not expecting vaccine. I'm like a wait what you know what I mean. I think that's most appropriate for one on one right <hes> it can't be 'em sometimes if you're having a discussion with a group of people sometimes you can just ask a question and other people people in that group may start pondering a related suggestion might be <hes> humor is is sometimes a good way to get <hes> an idea under the radar and get people thinking a little bit and <hes> you know well placed well placed in lighthearted be gentle with your <hes> can can sometimes <hes> get your point across in in in a way that you you'd have to really work at otherwise yeah well yeah. I'm pretty <hes> subtle more given physician and my wife's at her work is even more so <hes> and <hes> my life. It's a little bit easier <hes> but sometimes <hes> you know haven't lived in this area there long. I've lived in multiple places around the world and <hes> you know from your culturally adept right at at advocated a little bit but it was a bit of a culture shock yeah for <hes> always goes soon but I was at the <hes> I was in the grocery store and somehow conversation and you know whitchurch there too and I don't know just kinda slipped out. We're Christians and it was like almost angry assault after that. We're just like okay. How do you know when I when I come to people on the street that are begging for money for Jesus and they knock on my car window and they're like you know we're raising money for this church? I'd say I don't give money to churches. Thanks and they they obviously say God. Bless you in walkaway and I'm like you know what you can say whatever you want to me me but I'm GonNa pleasantly tell you that I don't support that yeah all right. I like that yeah. That's yeah I try to gyms probably the best <hes> probably the best thing with got a good luck to you. I keep the failures going okay. I'll keep keep failing all right. Thanks a lot talking by all right next up. We have another David. I've got to more calls. I'M GONNA try to get through and then we'll wind up the show David from Florida David you wanted to talk about science and the supernatural right. Yes Sir okay what she got yeah <hes>. How do you know the size would be used a fairly to evaluate supernatural? How do we know it would yeah we don't or evidence if you don't science science would be trying line to verify things that we can test in in the physical world and if we have something like that we can use science to to try to try to understand the cause and such <hes> there is a thing called methodological methodological naturalism where we don't assume there's a supernatural we don't assume there's God's but were open to the possibility and we we just <hes> because we know nothing about God's we don't sort of try to leap to that as a as a conclusion in science <hes> as a first thing what we need is <hes> <hes> you know quite a bit of evidence for for God before we try to decide what what's God's doing or or what whether he's making miracles or these sorts of things so but can science but consigns be used to fairly assess it because I mean I can show you evidence things that are real intangible in the real world uh-huh contrary to science people still don't believe it right so should we I mean is the is the evidence they're like yeah? Let's give me your best example. How about that okay? Hey are you know the rule of nature's reproduction right. There's a rule of nature of the fittest reproduction right well. The rules species that don't reproduce don't tend to live on right and they tend to die out out and so as a result of that we you know we have a lot of species that have a drive to reproduce. That's that's how I would say it. I wouldn't say as a rule to claim that it's a rule is a stretch. I don't know it's pretty much. There's no life without reproduction. That's not that that's the law of major life because we die right. We have to reproduce right so I'm okay with <music>. Here's my tangible evidence that people believe things outside are contrary to science now. There's only an x x chromosome and X Y chromosome so are you saying that because people believe things outside of science other people should what I'm sitting there saying is are you saying right. It's can't be said why don't if you let me finish earth off there's only male and female and science but people believe that are transgendered. That's only their opinion because their opinions go outside the physical evidence. It's a male and female. There's a lot of here's a lot of interesting stuff going on. There's multiple chromosomes. There's a developmental things that can go on <hes>. I don't know I it's not not quite as black and white. So are you saying that <hes> that this is this is something that scientists ignoring I I would disagree with that one. I'm saying is science only shows male and female with physical attributes with the next chromosomes but people sit there and say they're different genders only a mental declare declaration of what they are but there's no physical evidence substantiates definition of gender so does how does the other thing definition of gender. We've got enough to God's subject quite a bit. No when I'm sitting in trying to show you is a science is not morally able to sit there to obsess and sit there and <hes> output his dissect the natural or the the divide the supernatural and the divine survive right. You're saying that science can't prove anything for the supernatural. Okay I mean Science Caves Eugenic did science gave us Eugenic one point five declare homosexual. No it's not that was a social. That was a social process. I don't think that you're being very honest and I don't really like your science. Sciences not about sit there there and you something that's morally corrupt to evaluate evidence or something. That's the claiming that science morally corrupt. Excuse me Jonathan Jonathan. Can we take a breath please. Let's let's try to have a calm discussion discussion okay. Let's let's try to talk and not talk over each other on okay so y'all sit there and hang up y'all sit. We're getting close. Go ahead. I made my point okay. Thanks bye thank you okay. He made his point very clear Jonathan for North Carolina Jonathan your last caller. Oh Yeah how you guys doing good the <hes> I'm a Christian but <hes> a big fan of <hes> <hes> of debate and <hes> and just conversation general. I wanted to get my question which is <hes> how'd how'd you get to morality polity in eight years so we we would focus on harm and wellbeing in those sorts of things so things that cause harm would be bad <hes> and you know yes there. Is this problem that <hes> we we there are there's a lot of a variation and a lot of ambiguity and a lot of situations but there are many situations where we can say oh my goodness that is going to cause harm right that that <hes> slavery causes harm because has it takes takes away the rights of of the the would be slave or <hes> <hes> child-molestation causes harm because <hes> these these kids cannot consent to to what's happening to them and they're not they're not mature enough to make these decisions so so that would be kind of where we becoming from is is is harm and what if another Apia's designs <hes> harm is good <hes> it would be wrong. I don't know personally any that do say that well this <hes> like this. You believe that there is no God right. I don't think that there's any reason to believe in one. We don't believe in God's okay okay so that's settle <hes> so you believe that there's No God so which means that it's hold on hold on your put it. You're putting words in our mouths here the way we do not believe in God. We don't accept your claim that there is which I I I already sage that you don't believe that God which is different green so believing there is no god in not believing in God or are different things but but we can move on if you know God right you'll right so do you understand the difference between saying that there is no god and saying. I don't accept that you think that there is a God. Do you understand the difference between us do things I've accepted that <hes> that assertion okay but the news use different word. You're saying that we were not what we said okay but we can we can leave. That'd be if you want. Let's just go with watch you say what you believe. So if there's another eight is who say's it's okay to harm person then that means that it's just your word against is all right now. We'd have to evaluate why we live in societies where we have laws and we make these rules for the benefit of everybody and a person that would do that would not be in the majority and they would not be the ones making those laws we would call such a person at a dictator tyrant or whatever and we do our best to get rid of him well to say to say. I see what you're saying is like for example. There are people that think that violence is never the answer and there are people that think that violence can sometimes be the answer answer and is that kind of where you're going <hes> yes and I'm. I'm just saying that he he saying that atheist. Morality is arbitrary is is worry what he's saying the saints relative relative well. Yes it is we can we agree on on on the idea that <hes> there is an objective notion of harm. I read that there. Can You repeat question again Surrey. So can we agree that that we can <hes> decide whether something's harmful or not in most cases in most cases I agree. Okay okay then you know then then you know what I'm what I'm proposing here is not sort of arbitrary as you would claim right what what would be arbitrary is is some God that you know decide someday. Oh Oh you need to kill the Jews or you need to you know <hes> you know picking up sticks on on the Sabbath. Day is a bad thing and you you should be killed for that. <hes> that would be that would be arbitrary <hes> yes. We did say that there is no God right now. No we said we don't believe in God so you also have the burden of saying we'll. Why should we believe this thing that you're proposing? <hes> you know what what morality does it no. <hes> you know I'm open to learn things from from various sources but I'm I'm not open for edicts from you know tyrants and and that is very good because when you say <hes> when when you say that there is a universal truth that you know Harman's bed right. No that's just a human value can agree on that. We're not saying that there is a universal truths. I'm not giving it any sort of magical qualities. I'm just saying that that humans humans generally agree that harm is a bad thing so is it so it is bad most circumstances right. Wait is bad to to it is bad to apply harm to a baby right absolutely yes so absolute so you say absolutely which means that day it has to be an absolute group which I'm just saying I agree with you wholeheartedly guess and now I'm asking. Is there any point where it is right to harm baby. I don't know I can't think of one so there is no. I can't say that but I can say I can't think of one okay is there are there any examples of of the Christian God wanting wanting wanting to harm babies in the Bible. I do not <hes> I did not <hes>. I don't say I was a Christian. Yes yeah I so we we. We both agree that that's you know sort of beyond the pale and it's so so what are you advocating for your advocating for. You've got some God that you believe in and you WanNa follow it cedric's well. I I am just saying that <hes> so if if absolute most Mirage exists then they should be an absolute moral giver they should be an absolute monkey absolute morality exists. Yeah I mean why would he would you assume that because we did not find we did our find <hes> you would find a situation where it would be rights to to harm baby or not yet. I haven't found one but I can't say for definite sure that it is never okay hey to ever harm a baby. I don't I mean I can't think of a reason why that would be okay but I'm not gonNA put an absolute on on anything so so secular morality is something of a moving target in the sense that we're learning more more and we are we tend to be moving towards giving people more rights <hes> it's it's something that it's a work in progress and it's something that sort of based on our empathy and our our knowledge of the world and <hes> we're hoping to have it improve over time <hes> and this idea of some sort of absolute truth or whatever <hes> from on high I don't see it. I don't know where that would come from right so the idea that I had to <hes> break out of from being a theorist not very long ago to being an atheist now is the idea that there is a necessary writer wrong black and white yes or you know one way if thinking and what I've learned after exposing myself too many more people that thought differently than I did. I learned that there's a spectrum of things are things that are good for you. That would not be good for me. There are things that are good for Don. That would not be good for me. There are there. It's just it depends it depends on so many things in every situation and you just have to look at every situation with fresh eyes and take it for what it is rather than say oh we'll. I heard one time that this one thing was really bad so that means at this must be bad well. That is a different situation. It's not a hard yes or no always are never it's a little sometimes this and sometimes that there is no rule book as far as I know and we have to use our brains in order figure things out <hes> cheat on values subjectively what is right or wrong you have to decide. That's the fun part of being human. I guess I guess my question to you. Thank you for your call. Jonathan Roma let you go keep questioning. 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