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Men in Blazers 09/17/20: Jack Harrison Pod Special

Men In Blazers

18:06 min | 5 months ago

Men in Blazers 09/17/20: Jack Harrison Pod Special

"This is Rebecca Lowe will rebecca. If you listen to sub radio and you on this thing to men in Blazers on the NBC sports network. It's Roach. Kits Thursday and this. Is. Jack Harris and pod special the twenty-three-year-old leads wing. Tell me. One of my favorite football is in the world admires intelligent hard running up and down the flank. Are the Tha Massa will, which is developed his game. But above all. I love his journey. Most kids. Who made the Manchester United Academy. Would fail. Life is Golden Jack. His Mom Debra assess the slender odds kids in England's footballing you system face to make their primarily dreams come. True. She didn't like them. and. She yanked him together. The Harrison's trailblazer own unorthodox path decamping first Massachusetts Prep school courtesy of a scholarship subject could obtain the safety net of an education on Manhattan you soccer. Division One college soccer with the mighty wake forest demon deacons. Melissa M. Y. CFC and then returning triumphant to England via Manchester City, and Lee United with whom he's excelled and the Marcella Be Elsa El. Loco. Lost weekend he made his premier league debut and some debut. It was at Anfield Canes Liverpool took in just twelve minutes to pull the reds defense apart handedly lashed ball pasta stunned Dallas an amendment of poetry one of those footballing site where you just like. What feelings must flew through his veins in that moment and I was so happy for Jack Having spent some time with him. When he was in New, York City a can attest not only is he a superb footballer? He's an even better human being so I wanted to for this pot up. So we can all celebrate his footballing version of Robert Frost road not taken a football who's living the lines. I shouldn't be telling this with the Sinai somewhere ages and ages had Two roads diverged in a wood and I. I took the one less travel by and that has made all the difference. You can watch another version of this interview on the many Blazer. Show this Monday five, thirty PM eastern telling. On Peacock in which we've done a deep dive and uncooked some objects childhood highlight tapes. Amazing. Truly remarkable neighboring this conversation to life even more Samuel also star on Monday. Yes. Manchester City's US. Another great football not a great person taking a unique path to be the best. They can also tomorrow Friday on newsletter flies in the morning sign up by our website and cooling questions w. p. the bold asked the fans spurs fans, West Ham for all fans Everton fans come on reds, fans, Tian. Waiver out to begin if you have a massive question I'll answer it tomorrow all of my heart that's enough for. His lead. Jack Harris. It's a joy to welcome a twenty three year old who's wore one of the most an Orthodox pass into the Premier League from the Manchester United Academy to Manhattan and Wake Forest and back to lead you know heated and the Premier League. It's a joy to welcome Mr? Jack Harrison. Thank you. Thank you have. You were born in stoke-on-trent Tony Pool this country in one, thousand, nine, hundred, ninety, six, I'm from the age of six you Manchester United famous youth. Academy Surround Ferguson was winning Lee title the title, the Academy Paul Goals Ryan Giggs David Beckham and you'll there with the likes of Marcus Rashford. What was your Dream Batman Aikins poker speak for the young blood in the academy that we just wanted to play in the Premier League play for the first team united and that was our only mindset, the time and quite narrow minded, and you don't really think about your life of the roughly twelve and a half thousand kids in the Catholic to England it's estimated less than one percent of them will play soccer professionally your mother Deborah didn't like holds. decided to make a radical change in your life at rooting you across the Atlantic to an American private boarding school purchase school. In Massachusetts you explain the move as you were looking for a different path, a good education, a backup plan if football didn't work how was thinking. I only have my mom to thank all the opportunities that she's provided mixers on our own outside the box and thinking of different ways to benefit myself not only in football in life as well in after doing a lot of research, she owned these football scholarships. The young players can get in the US and g introduced the idea she doesn't lightweight people say. She sent me over there. She describes it as opening the door for me and it was up to me whether I went through the time. She first introduced the idea to me. I didn't WanNA leave munching nights. You just stuck in this rigid way of thinking and the academy but after visit in Burgess School and realizing how beautiful the compass was people that. They were incredible and all the opportunities that you have not only three football what through life and get and a good education at the same time was a fantastic option. How did you fail? Once you're ensconced in New England Prep School Life Jack did it feel like you primarily dreams were gone and that you're on a new life Pau in the back of My mind. I always had this dream of playing in the Premier League and that's why I always wanted to be. I just wasn't sure how it was going to get there and if I could go through this pathway gain other things education and meeting on people having these opportunities to experience life rather than just only football it was a better for me to go. I also still have that dream of making the primarily. You played for book to school. I've been watching your school performances on youtube the flicks, the long range bombs the elastic. At the beginning you would just like running up and down the field scoring four or five goals a game without the reality. A little bit. One of the main reasons that attracted me to that school is the focal was a lot better. The people spoke about American soccer in a question wirewood even go. To play football when I arrived there and saw the level of the play standard was a lot better than I expected and I knew the even though leaving the united. Might have hinted my development and football I think what I was missing now is gain in in other ways as well whilst being Berkshire School experience in all these different styles of plays from all of the world and I was still able to sue my football dreams really lost been. You went on to play soccer for Manhattan Soccer Club, and then you did a year at wake forest. You were chosen as the number one pick in MLS draft January two thousand sixteen New York City F C traded for you and you found yourself playing on the baseball field at Yankee stadium alongside avid via Andrea Pirlo and Franklin port looking around. I've made it. It can't get better than this or even then we alight a want more. I've always been the type of person. Myself to the limit and I've always wanted to play at the highest thunder possible and in my mind that's primarily. primarily. One of the best leagues in the world. So in the back of my mind even then whilst playing with. These stars that played highest standard in football but these brilliant careers stargazing by being with them and just trying to learn from them at the same time. I wanted to keep pushing myself more and try and find a way to get back to the premier league. Really. You've displays on the wing gain you in England than the twenty one call up which was gained changing Premier League teams came circling you selling for CFC's partner club Manchester City and was sent out on loan eventually arriving mighty leauge heated Marcelo Bielsa leads. Lead United on Bielsa play a just incredible style of football. How would you describe it aggressive and intense than we attack relate to attack fast and defend is the same way we like to be aggressive more celebi. Else's a man of whom there's a lot of myth about but can you describe what he's lonely in reality from a player perspective? Give us a sense of the manager for me. It was a big shock. It was nothing like ever seen before in terms of the. Training and the mental side of things that he was demand from all of his players will after you break through those walls, you get through those obstacles and you start to get on the same page, and then you start to grow more as a player in for me being a young player. When I came I've always looked into improve myself help myself developers much of you see by players coming in improved drastically performance is and how they can be as a player been fantastic. Really. How has he changed how you think about the game jet? He has a very unique way of thinking about the game. The amount detail that he puts into every little play and every movement that you can do is play as for me as a winger Paula emphasis on the different movements that you can do to receive the ball and to learn about these different movements and how it can receive the ball in more dangerous savvy is and get plus my defended without even touching the ball. Really that was something that I talk to instantly and. So much training and then implement night into the in Games. You can really see differences. Can you describe how tactically thorough his team talk though? I mean throughout the week we follow them cities on the analysis side of things. So we'll have a minute scouting report on every team and it will go back for last fifteen or twenty games. We see all the different formations bill practice, each one of those. Even, if played a formation of fifteen twenty minutes in one game, still practice it just to make sure that we're prepared in every single way when you're on the field he to the game and you look over to the line and you see Marcello just sat there on this book it what you feel as a player. I think a lot of times during the Games you have about five members of staff show you. That's what I see when I look into the sideline. Their way of coaching is new as well and something about to adjust to but ultimately pushes all the players to be the best version of themselves. It took you some time to adapt to championship football right mentally and physically. What was hardest to adjusting because? Demands, depressing the running, the training, their existing the mental side of things and trying to use it in my advantage going up I just. Oh. Boy, just go out and play in the sit. Coming into the environment. You inches demanded physically mentally you'll have to find ways as a play Monday I have to give credit to. While giving me a lot of support in that respect, they have a long team just. For the long players in that consists of a physio, you have a coach, the talks quietly games and you have a psychologist. Whatever you need months since you've been right there behind me with these resources and I've just been trying to take advantage of that as well. You wouldn't just playing English Football Jack you playing at the generated. Can you describe the atmosphere Ellen road to someone who's never been there because there is something the makes the lead Fan culture absolutely unique. You have these pressures from the monitoring the demands from. The manager on top of that. You have the fun right in there as well. So funeral doing well in your money to tell you the next person in line will be the funds telling you during well on the flip side of that if you are doing well, then they'll let you know to funds are so passionate here that was something that maybe I struggled with when I came to leaders. Okay you have the pressures of promotion and relegation and the championship on top of that you have the funds right there behind you and you see how passionate they can be and how much it means to the city to win just into that little piece as well. Was Massive leads came. So close to the promise land the loss in the playoffs to avoid teams Darby, spy gate Dobie was shattering such heartache. Can you describe emotionally what it felt like in the aftermath in that locker? Quietness. Disappointment that feeling of working so hard and after leaving that, you're GONNA get there. You break down last turtle in quick succession. The team was already ready to combat can redeem themselves for the following year you played. So well as season as an individual and team and then football pause during the coronavirus pandemic. One point. Clear. The top of England's second hair. Was On academic. Waiting to find out if comeback all did you feel for Moment Oh, my God leads are cursed. Yeah we me and my agent we always joke what is I? Happen, to anybody the world, it'd be Legion night and Liverpool, of course. So. During those times it was tough because we have momentum I think everybody was reverend to go, and if we're going start, we were going to be prepared and ready for it. It's almost everyone in football was hoping leads would flounder again, lightly gear before in a way that your second season. Did, you play with more resilient, more strength because lessons learnt in that I. Failed Season I. Think. So I think committed the second season we all knew what's expected. You know the first one it was a complete shock to all of us. The second year we knew what was required to get through the year and we learned from our mistakes the first. Then we conquered those battles that we might have lost last year, the team clinched promotion. Championship title on July. Eighteenth. The whole team was watching Ellen road. Crowds gathered outside. You're watching them. They were watching give you a dancing in the window. What did it feel like? It was a relief nafta appreciate end of the feelings of disappointment. And, all the pressures that we had trying to redeem ourselves the last game that we played before we found out that we promote I don't remember ever being so nervous during the second half because we will open one nail in they would just hammering us. I'm surprised that they didn't scope. It was probably our worst performance in the pressure that we felt during that game was immense to come out with a one one important points during that time to get promoted from there is more of a relief more than anything for me on a Welsh were watching the feel game some the leads they were walking around they couldn't watch. Finally reached the Promised Land and the Dreamland you see how much it means to the when it comes to the stadium and singing for hours and hours on end to into the night it was important for his all be together to celebrate a special moment. Can you believe that you now primarily Jack Harrison for real after the journey avoid the pinch yourself I still don't think is quite hit me after going through the journey that have to then have arrived at this moment. I've been working on my life to get to this point now and it hasn't really hit me at the I'm in the premier league the nerve southern him. Yeah. I think is more. I'm more than anything while you Moose looking forward to. Walsall told my life to get to the Premier League always been in the back of my mind something that I've always been determined to achieve. So I think I'll have to set new standards in new goals but at the same time enjoyed being in the premier league in playing in the Premier League is a special offer unity that right here in front of me and I have to try and make the most of it. So I'm just looking forward to playing against the top teams planning the best league in the world last season in the championship the. Football was book airing. It was overwhelming. What's Sally be also said about how you will take on the Premier League in the same style or will it change I? Think we have to stick to the same style thing. We know how to play that way as a team is worked for US Lago Championship and I think we saw how we can compare it with teams in the penalty women played arsenal in the cup. We came out so strong. We showed how last style of play can and As a team and we just need to find ways to continue doing that on a more consistent basis if we start changing things now and show that whereas gets place going to hinder our performances. So we have to stick to what we know in what's worked for us. You've worked and UNCONVENTIONAL ALTERNATIVE PARTWAY for Premier League player Jack Harrison in a way, a path that matches Lee unconventional journey. There are hundreds of thousands of kids kicking in Manhattan who dreamed of being primarily there are so few that have actually made it. What is the secret the life truth what you learn from that journey jen. If I, was to talk to the young version of myself. I'd always say to myself have belief in yourself. Have confidence in yourself because I didn't grow up having this confidence is always been a lot of people that tell me all you need to believe in yourself more needs more confidence, and if I don at a younger age and knowing if you believe in yourself and you work hard enough to get to where you want to be anything is possible and for those kids in Manhattan, is a great example for those guys to follow as well. If willing to put in extra work and eliminate all the distractions and work harder than anyone else team, you're have talent and there's no reason why you can't get to where I am right now. If you will. It is Nutri. Jeff Harrison. Amazing inspiration to you to your city of Leeds courage. Thank you so much.

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Amanpour: Harsha de Silva, Jack Harries, Bill McKibben and Amber Tamblyn

Amanpour

58:48 min | 2 years ago

Amanpour: Harsha de Silva, Jack Harries, Bill McKibben and Amber Tamblyn

"Hi, everyone. It's poppy Harlow on this week's episode boss files, CARA Swisher. Fearless tech journalist entrepreneur and founder of Recode she presses and she presses the biggest names in tech for answers. And a lot of the time. They hate that. But she still gets the big gets. So where did her unwavering confidence come from? I ask her plus though, she thinks we'd even be in this predicament today, if more of the big tech companies were founded and run by women, it's all on boss files. Subscribe on I tunes today. This CNN podcast is brought to you by American Express, my credit guide a free credit score. And report and other tools to help you take charge of your credit. Your credit score is greater than a number. It's your story. Hi, podcast listeners. Tonight's show leads off, of course, with the devastating Easter Sunday attacks in churches and hotels in Sri Lanka, and I speak to a government minister about the catastrophic failure of the government to act on intelligence that it received apparently from India and the United States, why did that happen and who was behind these attacks then today's Earth Day, and for the last several months and weeks, there's been a huge shift in public opinion momentum and street protests trying to force governments to take notice and to do something serious about climate change. I talked to a youth activist Jack Harris who has a YouTube channel with his twin brother which has four million subscribers on this issue two million, plus, Twitter and Instagram followers. And he talks about how social media is also affecting this grassroots activism against climate change. And then I speak to one of the godfathers the Cassandras who more than thirty years ago. Warned about impending climate doom and how we've wasted so much time in trying to get this, right and breaking the bag of this catastrophic climate change, and he talks about how this still is room for optimism. How we do have the technology. But how the time is really now a not a minute or a day later. Enjoy the show. Welcome to the program, everyone, I'm Christiane Amanpour in London off to show continued from the devastating Easter Sunday bombings in Sri Lanka, a state of emergency. And curfew are in effect. Now today police performed a control detonation on a suspicious van that was found parked near one of the targeted churches. With almost three hundred people dead. This is among the most lethal terror attack since nine eleven and the worst violence in stronger since the bloody civil war ended there ten years ago. Officials blame a local group nations thou we demand for the attacks. But claim they could not and did not act alone saying that there must be a wider group behind them. And US officials see indications that the group was inspired by. Meanwhile, the government admits that he gnawed warnings from international and local intelligence agency of the impending attacks. And it's a politics for that failure. Sobhi AVI have video that he thought he has gone might be able to say and beer to apologize to the families and the other institutions about this incident. My guest tonight tells me the intelligence came from the United States and India the stories from Sri Lanka one heartbreaking. Dozens of tourists were killed including Americans. Indians Britain's Turks and Chinese a Danish retail billionaire lost three of his four children. Also among the dead, a popular local chef and television star along with her daughter. They were killed during Easter breakfast. At one of the luxury hotels that was targeted by the bombers two dozen people being arrested while the United States State department, warns terrorist groups continue plotting possible attacks in the region. And I've been speaking to Hasha dasilva Sri Lanka's minister of economic reforms about the catastrophic failure to attack to act on the warnings and about who might have coordinated those attacks. Minister silver, welcome to the program. It's a really dark day for you. All and everybody is feeling very very sorry for what happened in your country, you visited one of the churches. Tell me what you saw at sounds Sebastian where it was a very sad sad. Visit those and Sebastian. Earlier today. I spoke to the parish priests them as many who are in the congregation earlier one hundred and two Catholics perished in that terrible. Terrible. A suicide bomber attack. There. I spoke to people outside they were angry. I spoke to members of the local council, they were not happy with the government is pope, some opposition MP's who had gathered there, of course, they had a lot of criticism. So all in all it was a very very kind of sad visit on grooming and Easter Monday, you know, you say people were not happy with the government. I'm sure that's an understatement minister. It is really hard to believe. It beggars belief in this age of terrorism that the deputy police chief sent a memo specifically talking about an alleged attempted suicide bomb plan, and that was ten days before the attack, and you'll government has had to apologize for failing to act on it. Can you tell me why why would the responsible people not of acted on it? What happened? I mean that is the question that is absolutely the question. It is not a failure of the intelligence service. They had Intel they were collaborating with both local and foreign Intel agencies, and we did receive information from overseas that something terrible was to happen. And like you said a memo had been sent to the second to the ministry of defence who then directed to the inspector general of police who then send it to areas other people. So it was not a failure of the intelligence apparatus. It was a failure of implementing what had to be implemented. So the question is why was it not done? And also the. Prime minister was I know as he was kept in the dark, the acting or out of the state minister for defence was not aware and the president was on a private visit overseas, and I would have expected that prime minister to have been well briefed about that hadn't happened either. So there was a colossal failure in the communication of this intelligence to the right people who have taken measures to prevent at least some of what happened can you tell me which foreign intelligence brief Jude. Can you tell me how you got the information? From what I understand it came from both India and the United States. That's that's what I hear. And the United States has now said that it believes this attack was sponsored or inspired by ISIS. Do you have you got evidence that this was in any way coordinated directed? By ISIS, or an international terrorist organization will having lived here. All these years. We have a fast sense of what are people are capable of doing even in terms of terror. The elti for all. Killings and suicide bombings was never able to coordinate something like this at this scale in the city. Saw it is questionable. Whether these people who we have never heard of the so called national Jamal feet or some some organization like that was able to on their own coordinate. Sucha Massey devastating attack as a while. It seems that these people were finally sponsor, but our local questions are being raised certainly whether they had any connection with any organization outside. And also what we hear today that some people connected to IS celebrating these attacks. Race valid questions whether this is isolated three Lanka only incident. Our they this is a part of some multinational global effort told those questions need answers. And let me just I ask you, you talked you you raise some initials, you said despite their long history with terrorism they've never been able to muster the the ability to carry out something like this who are you referring to because obviously three Lanka went through a very very long and devastating war. Although it's been at peace with very little violences that will ended nearly ten years ago. Yes, Bisley I was here for into the the Liberation Tigers Tamil alarm. But like you said for ten years, we haven't heard a bomb go off anywhere in this country. So people were used to a for you. Environment and this assist. Sunday. People were celebrating. It was also Buddhist holiday. So it is a day of celebration soul. It was completely. A complete shock that this happened. Some have suggested that one of the reasons why perhaps this piece of raw and now obviously accurate intelligence did not get past right up the chain of command was because of internal factional dispute between the people who make up the government and the ruling the ruling the ruling government is that a possibility. I don't want to speculate. But what I can say is that the ministry of defence is under the president and the secretary to the minister of defense and the inspector general of police report directly to him and people are including myself, people are angry people want at least the heads to hold at at the highest levels of the defense establishment. Of course that is not going to bring the lives back. But at least there has to be some level of accountability. And this President Minister that's president fired the minister fired the current prime minister, and then was forced to reinstate him. Correct. So there is bad blood between the president and the prime minister who did not get this intelligence is that correct? That is correct. He either prime minister about the courts held that it was unconstitutional. So they are for the prime minister got his job back at the end of December. So yes, there's a bad blood. But in a coalition, not always everything is rosy. So we are managing nevertheless. I'm not trying to pin blame. This was done intentionally. But factor the matter is that the prime minister, nor the cabinet was aware off this memo is there any factional violence could have led to this. I mean has there been any animosity between what's very small minority Muslim community and the massive Buddhist community, oh between the Christian community and the and the Buddhist community. I mean, give me the. Picture of that this is a terrorist attack and its captain Gorica Lear terrorist attack. And and and it doesn't matter which community coming from related is a Buddhist the Muslims. The the Christians the Tamils the Hindus none of us want any sort of terrorism here. So all communities together are standing up against this terrorist attack. I just want to categorically say that. We don't want to attach any community to this. This is clearly a terrorist attack perpetrated on the people of this country. Yes, it happened. In a church is Catholics died. Bautisa attack on a peaceful Sri Lankan society after the war for ten years. We've been building peace and some people want to disturb that. So we see in that light. But it's a deep deep tragedy real atrocity on an on a such a holy day as well minister to silver. Thank you very much for joining us. Thank you very much. And now we have video of a man identified by Sri Lankan state television. As report is suspect outside one of the targeted churches, Saint Sebastian's Catholic church in Negombo Sri Lanka, which you just heard a minister to silver had visited now, according to the state TV network. The man, of course, died in the explosion now around the world. People have mobilized for the annual Earth Day marches protests and warnings rising up to compel try to compel their governments to attack climate change here in London where the bird the teenage activists who helped inspire the youth. Boom. Change spoke to a crowd from extinction rebellion climate change group that's taken to the streets for the past week more than a thousand. Protesters were briefly arrested, Jack Harris is a popular YouTube activist with millions of followers. He's a documentary filmmaker and ambassador for the World Wildlife from he's been involved with the extinction rebellion since day one. And he's joining me here now in the studio, Jack Harris. Welcome to the program. Now, it's not just extinction rebellion, but you've been doing this. According to your YouTube channel since you're about fourteen your mom took you to your first climate protests. How did that come about? So my mom ran a local climate action group when I was a fourteen year old is called climate action now and as a young kid, I watched her go and protests outside parliament am. I remember telling me, boys. I may be arrested. A may not come back side, Bobby home in the morning. And of course, I fourteen I didn't really understand what issues before was inspired by my mother protesting and taking action. But it was only when I became I started to understand the severity of the issue, and and that was three my commentary filmmaking. When I was eighteen I had a chance to Greenland and understand the issues of climate change that we've got some clips from from that film. But I just want to ask you because this week has been full of extinction rebellion protests. The kind of things that your mother was probably warning you about more than a decade ago now so just tell us what is extinct rebellion. What is the not the point because we understand the point? But the sort of the. The structure by which she wanted to mount change and extinction. About is a nonviolent direct action group. It's full of everyday people teaches errands can some parents than everyday systems. Really, it's quite young. It was formed about eight months ago and their vision is that direction is simply there anyway to make change the chains necessary there's necessarily that they want the government to clarify emergency. And they have three main quest and one is the government tell the truth. The other is that we achieve net called emissions by twenty twenty five and the third is to citizens assembly. And for personally for me. It's the most exciting thing I've seen in my life. You did get arrested. I mean, you basically did get arrested briefly you glued your hands. I think to what tell me. So I was arrested the Phoenix ago sip Mahan for the funds of instruments, central hotel hair and London, and that was the first international charging conference. It was going on in London. I was arrested longside nine activists and spend thirty thousand. And I definitely didn't intend to be arrested about they I was just a support the protest, but it, but it just happened. I was arrested. I'm now facing criminal records. I've lost jobs as a result of. So it's not something that I'm sort of advertising. It's not. No sign flashing around. But it's something that happened. As result of my take myself taking action. So that's interesting because if it has these consequences and for a young man like yourself to say you've lost job because of it. The point though is. Sort of civil disobedience that inevitably does lead to these arrests with you look backwards, the civil rights movement in the United States, whether Gandhi, I mean, all of these places where you're drawing inspiration arrest is kind of kind of Deridder so essentially about it was started by who wrote a and Orleans one of the co founders of and Roja as recently on a PHD direct action, activism. He studied social movements for years, and it's his belief that the arrest of the single best way to take action to make the government may change in this week. We've seen seven hundred arrests and a thousand I think since extension billion assaulted and Anna is having an impact. And I think there are many people who are putting themselves in the line and putting freedom on the line. These people who want to be arrested enjoy being arrested. But I think that people who are so desperate for change scared about the severity of the situation wherein, which is climate change that they feel this is the only action they can take this was missing. And on the second with you feel that since you started momentum is changing but in order to get there. Let's get this clip from your. Greenland video. So you went to Greenland, you looked at the glaciers, you saw the melting and you with some professionals out there. Here's a little interaction between you and one of your travelling companions. I think often people on shore what they as individuals near about climate changes. Certainly one of the biggest challenges that we face carnage humanity that I'm actually quite optimistic about this. The technology is there for us to deliver. Most of our needs without burning fossil fuels ready. We just leave the political will. So I really glommed onto that. Because it's all there, we could the world could stop this climate change. But it's about the political will. So you're a young man. But do you feel that the will is changing the public opinion is changing that all these protests in these books and Thornburgh and with your YouTube followers, a making a difference? Totally. I think people are waking arouses situation factors that we have the scientists scientists around the world have been ringing sounded alarm bells happening for thirty years. We have many of the solutions renewable technology green power. What we don't have is the political will. And that's in part due to the fact that fossil fuel companies have consistently funded campaigns to confuse him public import renewable technologies and closed down the companies, they all some of the climate criminals there in this discussion. So I think that people are waking up, and I think all generation asking questions where does the food come from. What are the clothes come from that I buy fuel that I use impacts avenue environment? If I take plastic bag old Cup. Does it end up? And it's an amazing thing to see because people asking questions, and then we left this sort of veiled protects us from seeing the processes involved, and then young people will start so angry and take action. I think the thing that has me the most hope in time varmints movement is the young people rising up and holding the older generations accountable. You call it argue the young sixteen year old go his taking days of school in order to fight for her feature. And so I think that's incredibly powerful. And I hope I'm still of the meeting on twenty-five some sort of top-end of that. But then there's extinction. Everybody into sort of you know, they have. So they have and I I hope just to say that. So the the the strikes goes further and become a global strike in this is young people's feature. But this everyone is implemented climate change. And it's everyone's responsibility to take action. You just mentioned all sorts of activities that individuals can take obviously, this is not going to change governments get serious about whether it's a carbon tax whatever it might be to stop the emissions and really scared it up at government level, but you are vegan. Right. I mean, you've done your own thing on the other hand, you do have to or you do travel by plane, right? It's difficult. It's complicated. It's difficult come Kate. And that's in contradiction that I battle with myself. I'm traveling a lot less say contradiction to fly in order to talk about the degradation of our environment. I offset with my flights using a carbon scheme adopted a vegan diet, so we have to make changes in lives. But as you rightly points now, so saw responsibilities hold governments and corporations accountable is almost interest to say, we must do make these micro changes tunnel. A light bulbs have short showers. Those things are great. I'll go told us. To do that when the inconvenient truth came out? But now it's about doing a lot more than that. It's bigger. Yeah. And just just answer the people who have said, you know, must stay go and disrupt traffic, and why in the middle of the city, and etc. I mean, I sold out of the protests is I found the more. Very very polite apologizing for any disruption, but nonetheless, you will have the naysayers what do you say to them to those nights says I'd say the process this week in London could be compared to a far along. Right. If our goes off in your house may be inconvenient, and maybe loud, and maybe annoying the ultimate that sort of save you and protect your feet and your life. And I think we think Foucault's the exact same way that film an inconvenient truth. This the best named climate change isn't inconvenient truth. But it's hit and it's going to just all. And so I think extinct sure about in helping to sound the alarm to bring that reality to people. So that we can take action. We've got our cells into this crisis in one hundred years and one human lifetime. We can also out of it and less as long as we have the political will and people positive. So I'm going to just take a quote from one of your heroes. I believe Bill mckibben, I'm going to be interviewing off to you. He said this week. He said respectable of punted. So now, it's up to the scruffy the young the marginal the angry to do the necessary work there. What's left of our fighting chance? I mean, I don't know whether you think you're scruffy and angry and marginal. But nonetheless, do you feel an unwanted burden at being the generation that has to has to recoup what are my generation and the previous generation of failed to do. I think it's shameful in a way that it's falling on the responsibility of sixteen year old children or everyday people in London to go out and to take action it should be government taking action it should be corporations coming out. And speaking about these things, I don't want to be arrested. I had many pants my life besides protesting getting arrested and suffering the ways that I am as a result of that. But it has and I think that we feel that no one is talking about this. We must take these actions. And there's been a houseful showed us, and and it shouldn't be that way. But this is the way it is and many people will thank you for it. Jack, Harris, thank you very much. Thank you. Your credit score is greater than a number. It's your story. 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My credit guide is more than just a free credit score. It's a tool to help you write your next chapter with a detailed credit report alerts to help detect identity theft and other information to help you take charge of your credit. American Express, my credit guide provides the vantage score three point. Oh by trans union. Go to American Express dot com slash Mike credit guide to enroll today. So they nineteen Eighty-nine the journalists and activists Bill mckibben who I just mentioned published the end of nature the seminal book on the threat of global climate change. His new book has the sobering. Title falter has the human game begun to play itself out it ties together climate change with other more recent technological threats to embattled species and Bill mckibben joins me now from New York. Welcome to the program. Bill mckibben. It's good to be with you as always Christine. You just had Jack Harris one of you the next generation or the car generation of activists reacting to what you've said, and the responsibility that they're having to shoulder. Now does this give you hope? Oh, absolutely. There's we're in a climate moment. Finally. I mean, I wrote the first book about this thirty years ago. And I've spent the last fifteen years trying to help build these movements and going to jail and so on it's very good to see it. Now reaching kind of crescendo in the states. We see the green new deal mostly backed by young people in Europe, we see extinction rebellion at work around the world. These remarkable school strikes that Greta Gretchen Berg, kicked off in the fall. We're going to need even more and Jack's right? The next step is adult strikes to we need to be disrupting business as usual because it's literally business as usual that's doing us in just the fact that we get up each day and continue forward as if we weren't in the middle of an enormous crisis. And and just about the arrest, and the and the sort of the process of these protests on you know, you can look back to the. One thousand nine hundred eighty s and the Feni similar protests against nuclear war and nuclear weapons, and obviously further back to civil rights and other major civil disobedience orders, I just want to read something that you'll mother said about you because you when you at ten years old wood told that your father had been arrested when he protested against the Vietnam war, and your mom, basically said it really had an impact on him. It taught him that you stand up for what you believe is that way, you can trace your activism to probably some of that. But I don't think I mean, I don't think we should have to be doing this in a rational world, if scientists said the worst thing that ever happened is happening now, and here's how to stop it put up a lot of solar power and wind turbines. You would think that our corporate leaders, and our government leaders would get to work, but the haven't we've wasted those thirty years most. Because the fossil fuel industry the richest industry on earth has run a concerted campaign to make people not do anything. Now, we're at the point where we seem to be having to force the issue. Look one place where I really agree with Jack. It's young people shouldn't have to be going to jail. They have careers ahead of them. I I wrote the letter asking people to come to Washington and get arrested at the start of the Keystone Pipeline protest, which was the largest civil disobedience action in the environmental movement in decades. And at one of the things I said was young people shouldn't have to be the cannon fodder here. Once you've reached a certain age. It's like what the hell are they going to do to you? And that's the role that I now have older people telling me it's on their bucket list to get arrested. And I tell them I can help you with that. It's not just young people, of course. Although they do form the backbone of this current momentum. But it's also the graybeards, and I'm not talking just about you. I'm talking about the ninety two plus year old David Attenborough who's known and beloved around the world for being a naturalist. Bring us all these stories of our beautiful beautiful planet into our living rooms, and now he has a new Netflix series, which is specifically activism. It's specifically showing the danger, and what climate change is doing to the animals, and this is what he told me about why he's decided to, you know, not punt anymore and step right up to the plate of activism. Look, we're not telling lies the evidence is that we are showing the evidence of what's happening around the world. And if you take any account of known 'age of research of science, we know what's causing these disasters. And we wanted to vote we know how to deal with it. Please join the rest of the world the rest of the world entire rest of the world is United in trying to take action on this. United States is very very powerful voice, please please join us. So let us talk about that plead to the United States, particularly because it's unique in the developed world in having climate denial ISM as practically and pretty much an official plank of the Republican party platform. Tell us a little bit of how we got there. And well, then I'm going to get to the. Title of your book and ask about the shrinking game board of humanity. We got there in the nineteen eighties. Really when the fossil fuel companies looking at climate change studying it figured out what was going on. They believe the scientists. I mean Exxon began raising all the platforms and its new drilling rigs to compensate for the rise in sea level. They knew as in the offing, but they didn't tell the rest of us. Instead, they spent billions building this architecture of deceit and denial and disinflation that's kept us locked in a completely phony debate for thirty years about whether or not global warming was real debate. Both sides knew the answer to it when it began. It's just one of them was willing to lie, and it's become the most consequential lie in human history. Look how far penetrated the president of the United States believes or so he says that climate change was a hoax manufactured by the Chinese a position so delusional that if you heard someone muttering next to you on a pub. Bus you get up and change seats. But it's now lead the US to be the only country on earth, not taking part in the Paris climate accord's, this the country that put more carbon into the atmosphere over the course of history than any other. So let me you mentioned President Trump. I want to play a little bit of what I'll go. Vice president gore told me about this specific situation and about the possibility of that being a backlash to Donald Trump on this. Just listen to what he said. Honestly, think Christiane that Donald J Trump has become the global face of climate denial and that in itself is causing a lot of people to say, whoa. I don't want to be associated with that. I don't want to be associated with him or those views. I think that's actually one of the factors driving. These record poll numbers showing Americans at all time high and demanding solutions for the climate crisis. So again, you've been an activist for much of your life. You also a writer journalist who's written the authoritative books on this. Do you see that? There is a tipping point a movement against the hoaxes and four forcing political change. Well, I hope so I mean, it's cutting both ways Brazil just elected a president who wants to pull Brazil out of the Paris accords. And that would be tragic because of course, the Amazon is utterly necessary. Part of the planets defense mechanism. They're obviously is rising concern with each year. That goes by that we do nothing. And I think now we're starting to act on it. The question is can we act fast enough climate change is the first time to test that human beings have ever come up against if we don't solve it soon. We won't solve it. And so that's why this need for urgency. That's why there are people in the streets. That's why there are people going to jail. That's why there are people working around the clock to try and build the coalition's put enough pressure on the power that be powers that be. I look fifty years from now we're going to run the planet on sun and wind because it's free. But if we take fifty years to get there than the planet, we run on sun and wind is going to be a broken planet. Our job is to speed up that transition. So that we have civilizations left worth powering with renewable energy because as my previous guys, Jack and his friends in Greenland, basically said the technology is that we know we know we can do it. It's just the political will. So I mean, I know you wanted to answer that, but but see if you can put it in the context of the title of your book, which is genuinely alarming that the game board of our human activity is shrinking tell me what you mean by that. What could the last just look at the last year we've seen the highest temperatures ever reliably recorded on planet earth several cities in the Asian subcontinent in the Middle East reached one hundred twenty nine degrees Fahrenheit that's too hot for him to survive for more than a little bit of time. But it's precisely what the scientists now say will be the regular temperatures in the summer across a huge swath of land from the Middle East in the subcontinent into north China home to billions of people the world, we've been expanding outward is a species ever since we left Africa. But now we're beginning to contract. Our coastal cities are beginning to feel the rise of the oceans. And so people are starting to move inland. We're beginning to find places where resurgent disease legs Zeka is cramping our freedom of movement. Look what look at the pictures from California last. Fall. California's kind of our global idea of what you know heaven kind of looks like thanks to Hollywood. But now, it's very different. I mean, we watched a city literally called paradise literally turned into hell inside half an hour after the most extreme temperatures and drought we'd ever seen the kind of sense. Now of unease hangs over the Golden State much of the year because the smoke from those wildfires is in the air that everybody's breathing. This is the world that we're building. And we've got to stop building it. Now, we've got to make this transition happen while we still have some margin to work with and it seems because you've said this and others at said that some of the big migration issues and refugee issues causing so much political upheaval off powered also by this climate change. For instance, the Central American so-called caravans, not only by violence and gangland warfare and their home countries. But by. Crop failure as well by drought up in the highlands of Honduras, Guatemala or look at the refugees streaming out of Syria. It's now pretty well. Understood that the deepest drought in the history of what we used to call the fertile crescent was one of the things that touched off that civil war. The million people that left Syria for Europe where enough to discombobulated the politics of an entire continent. So now, imagine what happens when as the UN predicts the number of climate refugees in the course of the century will be somewhere between two hundred million and a billion try to imagine what happens to war and peace and development on a planet like that. So just finally, Catherine Heyhoe the conservative and Christian. She's she's helped write the latest study and who's trying to change her communities views on this to make them see the urgency of now has said that she has found that people fear the solutions more than the impacts of climate change. In other words, they think oh, my gos-, whatever I do whether it's stop caused and planes or eating meat is going to devastate my way of life. What do you say to the people who fear the solutions? I think that the first and most obvious set of solutions aren't very hard at all nobody when they flips a light switch thinks, oh, I worry where the power is coming from hope it's coming from a coal fired power plant, if anything people are just as happy to learn that it comes from the sun. That's doable now. So it's no question that this is going to be real changes to ways of life going forward. But they're nothing at all. Like, the changes that are coming. If we don't do anything about climate change. Bill mckibben all through full to thank you so much for joining us. So an important conversation on the most crucial challenge facing our planet and one we follow very closely on this program now on next guest has dedicated herself to another reckoning in society, and that's the metoo movement. The actress Ambit Tomlin grew up in Hollywood starring in TV such as General Hospital and Jodi volcano, and in the film beloved by teen sisterhood of the traveling pants. But her coming of age was mobbed by growing awareness of the toxic environment. Facing women in the industry a journey. She details in her new book era of ignition. And she tells our at least Menendez how she went from actor to feminist activist. Ember. Thank you so much for being here with us today. My pleasure happy to be here with you lease. Yeah. So tell me what does it mean an era of ignition the era of ignition for me is this time of really? Palpable trajectory and movement that we are all going through together that doesn't really have any answers or doesn't really provide any road map for how we're going to get on the other side of this huge moment for us culturally. And it's time that really comes after this great sort of national existential crisis. What happens when we we've all whether got going through our own personal crisis crises or whether we're confronting the ones that are happening to our country. What comes after that? What is the what is the harnessed change that we were all so deeply rooted in right now, especially to your point because we're trying to grapple with it out of cultural societal level and at the same time where each as an individual trying to grapple with these question. Oh, yeah. Hundred percent. I mean, what what was so powerful in the writing of this book for me was looking at my own experiences growing up as a child actress. So I'm thirty five. Now, I started acting when I was eleven years old. I was on a soap opera for seven years, and I went into doing some other shows I was on there. Show Joan of Arcadia and did a lot of a lot of acting roles for most of my life. But when I got into my twenties, I really had this this personal existential crisis of feeling like I knew I had more to offer the world. I knew there were more things that I wanted to do I wanted to write I wanted to create I wanted to be the arbiter and the creator of my own of my own life and of my own creative work and my own creative visions in the book. I talk about this idea of invisible alphabet, this idea that we all sort of sometimes see ourselves at a and we see this beautiful glowing Z in the distance. And we know that's going to be us. But how do we manifest the letters in between? How do we how do we find that language to become the person that we want to become and so I spent a large portion of my late twenty s really dealing with that and getting to the point of the person that you see here now. And I think that our country's kind of going through a little bit of that itself. You write about your experience as a child actor? Coming out of that. And realising you were broken. I think that's the word that you use. By were you broken? I was broken because I spent so many years. Only ever knowing how to walk into other people's rooms predominantly rooms of men because men were always the decision makers have always been the decision makers in Hollywood in my industry. So I only ever knew how to go in and interpret their words of their script or act a certain way as a character in a way that appeal to them smile in the way that appeal to them way, the right amount that appeal to them, I really only ever knew how to go into anybody else's room. But my own because my own personal creative room. Didn't didn't necessarily is exist in a certain point. But the broken nece really came from feeling tired and exhausted with not only my status quo, but the status quo and feeling stuck and not knowing how to move myself out of that experience the experience of just going into other people's rooms. And so in that way, I was feeling I had. Always felt kind of. Kind of just like a guest in my own life as opposed to a person who belonged there a person who was the owner of that of that living. And so from that broken nece, I think I really had to examine my part in that especially as an adult. There's only so much time that you can go. Well, I've been doing this my whole life. I was a child actress, I should I deserve better. There's more. I want to do in it at a certain point. I had to take it on myself and say, well, what am I doing to not try and and break out of that. There was another incident from your youth that I want to pick up on because I think it's a thread that connects to the moment wherein now, it's during counter with the actor, James woods. So in that particular case actor James woods picked up on me when I was a teenager at a diner in Los Angeles where I was born and raised and when I said this publicly he said, I was a liar. He accused me of lying which. Normally is something that you would maybe have a debate about or you would just shut up and be quiet and go I've said my piece, I'm gonna leave it alone. Now. But I think in that moment, it was after Donald Trump had been elected. It was after this this feeling of not only being so so boxed out of my own experience and being told indefinitely that I was never that. I had to manage my expectations for my career that I had to management expectations for my looks that I just had to consider always taking second best for myself. Pressed against the image of a president who is now doing the same thing. And and be able to say whatever he wanted about women without any consequences. And so something was triggered for me. Something in that moment was sort of weaponized for me. And that I felt like I had every right to be able to push back on someone on an on an older man in a position of power saying that I had lied and to be able to push back on that and say, I'm not a liar. And not only am I not a liar about this story. I'm gonna prove it, and I'm going to write about it. And I'm going to keep going further, and I don't I don't actually care what the consequences might be for me in my career. Even though I know speaking out traditionally entertainment business before two thousand seventeen metoo movement was very dangerous was a very very dangerous thing to do. I think it continues to be dangerous in the sense that I think we can publicly applaud women for their bravery and then quietly in whispers, call her problem. Well, so much of what's happening right now as you're seeing a lot of a lot of men and a lot of people in positions of power quietly whisper about how maybe they're not going to interact so much with women anymore in the workplace. Or even hire them in the workplace because they're they're afraid that if they just, you know, tap them on the back that they're going to get accused of something that they didn't intend to do. And we're not going to know how to handle it and deal with it. So their way of doing that is to just sort of step away and push back from it. But that's okay. All of these things happening are important. And it's okay. To know that the part that all of this chaos that that we're feeling the sense of it's not over things are still happening. There is still a reckoning, and we have to remember that. No, civil rights movement was ever comfortable and no time when in our nation's history, or you know, I'm sure in the world as well. Was there a huge systemic cultural change a change about the way in which people treated each other and valued each other and their livelihood and their work in no way at no time was that ever comfortable or easy part of what makes this so great as how difficult it is. How the end of the hard conversations we're having to have. Whether that's, you know, white women having to own white feminism, and their inabilities to sort of see what real intersectional feminist work looks like whether that is men feeling like they're being attacked because you know, they feel like they're being pushed out of rooms and conversations and that there's going to be this sort of large witch hunt, which is a term that's used a lot. I think that it's okay for all of this to be happening because out of this chaos is going to come some kind of clarity. And may not come immediately. But people are really finding out where they where they fit and where they wanna land in this discussion. Right. You keep raising this point, which I think is really interesting, which is where men fit into this into this debate. And in some ways, this is not just theoretical for you. I mean, you in the context of your own marriage have grappled with what this moment means. My husband is a stand up comedian his name's David cross and we've been together for eleven years, and I know for him and for a lot of. His friends. They've never had to think twice about jokes that they've told or the ways in which they've told those jokes. They've never had to question it, and that's their privilege, and that's also part of what makes their arts so powerful is that no one has ever stepped in and said publicly this is hurt me. So my husband has had to deal with finding out his way and figuring out his way along with. I think a lot of the other men that I know that I love and care about in one case a very public incident. Yeah. A very public incident where another comedian accused him of being racist of saying racist things, and he had to come to real terms with the way in which he tells jokes the way in which he talks to other people, you know, something you might say to your friends who are Zakho fanatic, or Michael Sarah might not be acceptable for someone who's a young Asian American comedian and a woman, but you have to understand the context in which you're saying things and part of our own self examination and part of what's so beautiful. And why? Of him is that he was able to take on that self examination and to be able to sort of sit with himself, and this failure and say, how can I grow from this? I don't think I know I don't really have the answers, but I'm interested, and I'm curious and the curiosity is so important for us not to just sort of put our guard and put up our defenses and to act from our defenses, and in the midst of that conversation, there are a lot of accusations of you as a white feminist which forced you to grapple internally and externally with what that meant and those and those demands were fair because people were saying you cannot be at the head of this. You cannot come out and say these things are unfair. And you know, be a part of times up and be a part of this. This public moment in time without saying something without giving us some context, which is why didn't shy away from it in the book, and I write pretty openly about my experience talking with my husb-. And I also did this. I want to say because I don't want people to feel alone in their own conversations with their husbands their brothers their fathers. I talked to so many women and some men too who are going through this experience, especially in heterosexual couples and relationships where where they're having really difficult painful conversations about the ways in which we have not felt sort of unseen or not listened to. Having these conversations with the men in our lives is not easy right now, it's very hard. And I don't know a woman whether she's famous or my mother, or, you know, anybody in between who has not had some conversation with their partner that has been very hard. And so I shared a lot of that in the book because I wanted people to know that it's no different for me. If you're a woman who's just going into your nine to five will you need that paycheck. Do you have the luxury of being a agent of radical change? That's a great question. So I think what we have now as far as as far as being an agent of radical change and taking that on in our own personal experiences is that we have allies ship, and we have community, and when you have strength in numbers like that you can change anything. I know that might sound hopefully optimistic and maybe a little not true. But I think it's it's it's very true. I think one of the things, for instance, the inception of times up came from a lot of women being really angry and not just women in the entertainment business. You had women in the farm workers union. You had activists like money cover mirrors, and Jen poo, and Tehran, Burke, you had women across sectors across industries saying we're done. What's happ? We're done with what's happening in our communities, and we are going to reach out to each other and create this really strong powerful bond in which we can all help and work together to change things. So for in the in the actress community and specific in my experience, which I know is an experience of privilege, but even to be able to get into rooms together with women who you never would normally be in a room with without a man there. So you never had conversations devoid of the male perspective that part of the book as well that you sort of look around at each other and like so who's going to run this meeting? That's right. You're like, but also what what can we say what can? Are we not say like it's weird? It's a very strange experience. And I've had so many young women asked me this on this book tour. I'm a waitress just one guy that always comes in. Who's will always like give me a Pat on the butt, and my boss is not great either. And is is how do I do? I do how do I get out of this situation? Get this guy to stop with a boss, who's not supportive who would probably just tell me essentially shut up and take it and my vice to her was to remember two things one. There's got to be other people in that workplace that are experiencing something similar, whether it's with the boss, or where the customer, maybe you need to get together with the specific aim to talk to them and bring them on board and create a small coalition, even if it's two people three people. And then the second thing I would just remind people always is that no one note business likes things in writing. No, no establishment likes to see something in writing. It's scary. It's really scary. Because that that is a literal paper trail of harassment that is a paper trail of behavior and also of people not doing their jobs, not not taking into account your well being your safety. So put something in writing put a letter together. Whether it's an have it signed by whoever you can have a sign it, but put the support together in one document. So that you have it there and state what it is that you need that you're looking for whether that's the behavior to end. Whether you're looking for more support, no matter what it is. You were big Hillary Clinton surrogate big Hillary Clinton supporter twice over. And now in this race, we have at least four major candidates that happen to be women. Have we in the media learned our lesson? Do we know how to cover them correctly this time around I will say that. It is interesting to me that even though we do have incredibly capable amazing women running on the. Democratic tickets right now, they are still not at the top of who's getting the donors who's who's getting funding who's getting money, and they're also not really seen as front runners. It always ends up being about. Well, here's a really capable man that has the best policies for women. Here's the most capable man who has who will create the best laws for women who will help help to push congress and the Senate to to support more women who will help with fill in the blank, but it always ends up being that the that the visualization of female empowerment stems still from a patriarchal voice. And that's a problem. And that's a problem that we have to continue to grapple with everyone talked about how they wanted a woman to be president. But not that woman. I always wonder I say, okay. Well, what then not that woman? Then what kind of woman what is the pedestal? What does it look like what does she have to? Have you know, there's a long list joke in this book where I talk about requirements for becoming a candidate for president of the United States. If you're a woman and the list goes on for like ten pages. It's got all these addendums. It's got all these subline some category lists emotions early goal. Having your periods of legal talking above a certain decibel is illegal. It's a joke. But also, it's not a joke. Because one of the biggest problems that we have is that this is not just about saying who's the right woman. It's about not seeing women into tally as being worthy of these positions. We still have a problem visualizing it and seeing it and Intel truly until a mediocre woman can become president in the way that mediocre men have been presidents for the entire history of the United States of America been we have a fundamental equality problem. And that is. Rebounds in the mind. It's part of what we've been thinking about when we think about women is that they have to be so exceptional. They have to be so perfect standard is so high for them that is all we will accept and then even sometimes we won't accept that either. Then we're thank you so much. Yeah. My pleasure. Thank you. Abba, Tamblyn throwing down the gauntlet there. And we'll soon have the chance to see how the women in the presidential pack perform in twenty twenty. But that is it for now. Remember, you can always listen to a podcast. You can see us online at Amazon dot com, and you can follow me on Instagram and Twitter. And because this is a day. We want to leave you with some incredible sides from our planet. Thanks for watching. And goodbye from London.

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#157 Tyler Jack Harris

"Yeah. Lace? Welcome to first-class fatherhood. Welcome everybody episode one fifty seven of the podcast. I am happy as always to be here with you. Thank you for stopping by. If this is your first time listening to podcast, please get over there and bang out. Subscribe button. You do not wanna miss all the action. It's coming your way right here on first glance fatherhood, okay, dads. I hope you enjoyed my two day bachelor event. I have no more roses to hand out. My guest today doesn't deal with roses. He deals with dollars. And since he left the unemployment line. He has made millions of them. He went from being on the unemployment line to multimillionaire in three and a half years. He's got a great philosophy on life and fatherhood as well. Tyler Jack, Harris will be here with me in just a minute. So please stick around for the interview, we are almost through the winter here. And boy, my middle son Logan is very upset that we hardly got any snow this year. He was really looking forward to shoveling driveways for the first time to make a few bucks. I try to instill that entrepreneurial or hustler spear into my kids times have certainly changed. There used to be armies of us kids out there. Hitting the neighborhood with shovels every time that it's no trying to make a few bucks. But it doesn't seem like it's the same way anymore, and it just happens. I was watching one of my favorite eighties movies of all time with my kids. The other day the goonies and the beginning of that film, one of the kids they let the air out of one of the kids bicycle tires and Mike yells. Hey, my brother had a mole three hundred and seventy six lawns to buy those tires. And that's the type of hustler spirit that I'm talking about that seemed to be in the air with kids when I was growing up. I think there are still many opportunities for kids to hustle dough. But it seems like it would be easier today to start a shop of five store with dropped shipping that it would be the start eliminate STAN. So I'm trying to learn as much as I can about all that stuff. One guy who definitely knows a thing or two about making money is Tyler Jack Harrison, he will be out here. Just a second tomorrow on the podcast. I'm going to have the host of the dad edge podcast. Larry Hagner and Friday. Former navy seal Brandon Cruz will be here the close out the week. So keep it. Locked in the first fatherhood, and please spread the podcast around to every father in your neighborhood or. In your contact list. Let's this podcast, bro. And I can't say thank you enough for all your support all the listener comments DMZ emails. I know I haven't responded to all of them. I'm trying to keep up the pace year. And I promise to reply to each every one of them as time allows here. All right. So let's go guys. Followed rocks family values rule in every day. Is Father's Day right here with me, and I'm gonna jump right into the action with Tyler Jack Harris, I'm out of lace. And you're listening to first class fatherhood. I cannot say thank you enough to all the listeners out there. You'll hear a word from my sponsors in the middle of today's interview if you'd like to help me make first class fatherhood, Ed free, please consider becoming a supporter of the podcast by hitting the link and the description of today's podcast episode. Right. Joining me now is a first-class father. He went from the unemployment line to millionaire in just three and a half years. He has sold more than eight thousand life insurance policies in that time, it is a big privilege for me to say Tyler Jack Harris welcome to first-class fatherhood, man. The absolute closure to be here. And I am a pretty new father. But I'll take first class. All right. Let's start here. Then how many kids do you have? And how old are they? I've got one two year old little girl. And man, I've got my hands full Wow. Very cool. Are you one in donor? You going to be working on that boy soon, and we my wife. My wife has informed me that we will be working on number two here soon. And that is good with me. I am. I'm all about I'm the last male to my name. So I got a little bit of pressure to have a boy. And so we'll see if we can't make that happen at some point here. All right. That's the fun part of it. Right there. Now, did you do any type of gender reveal party Tyler? Or did you wait until the end to find out? We did we did a little gender reveal. We had a we actually had a a baseball not that I'm a huge baseball guy. But we had a baseball that had you know, the blue the pink powder inside. And we went out to the baseball field. The big photo shoot around that and not gonna lie. It took me a couple of swings to get back into the swing things. And finally knocked knocked the ball and turn bright kink and smells at sizes can be it's having the girl is definitely been humbling. But it's been the greatest experience in my life. I can say that so cool. Yeah. Took me four shots to get the girl if we didn't get her on the fourth try we'd have five by now. And so what's been something? Unexpected Tyler about having a baby girl that maybe kind of caught you off guard man, I think every single second of has been unexpected because I really. You know, I had expectations coming into. But you know, my daughter is a daddy's girl just through and through. And and then, you know, she's at that age now where she just turned to last September. And so really becoming you know, an actual human being now and her personality and how fascists learning, and and I have been I think surprised with how much just I genuinely enjoy like she's fun to be around like it. She crack up every time I'm around her. We'd just laugh, and we have so much fun. And and it's just been the most incredible experience so far and I'm getting fearful of those teenage years got a lot of friends with teenage daughters, and it's just terrifying to the core. But I am just soaking up every second that I can while she's at this, you know, beautiful just learning and. Flooring, and and progressing age. Yeah. I'm right there with you on that. Tyler my daughter is only four years old, and I'm already dreading those dating years myself. That's even more incentive for you to crank out that boy now, exactly exactly. Thank somebody's reinforcements. Yeah. It's great to hear you talk about your door that way too. Because I think one of the big misconceptions about fatherhood is that becoming a dad ruins your life. And it's the end of the world and just through the pop culture, the way dads are always portrayed as being down out younger guys. Get this wrong idea of what fatherhood and family life, really all about. And that's why it's important for them to hear the testimony about fatherhood from so many successful people like yourself. Absolutely. I mean, I truly believe in. But the best thing I've ever done and hope to do it again here at some point. And it's just it puts everything in perspective. And and to be honest with you having a daughter, especially, you know, the the way I go about my life and the things that I do. That doesn't choices the decisions that I make you know, my wife is extremely strong independent woman. And the way I look at things now is through the lens of of my daughters is because you know, if I were to to mess up, you know, do something stupid my wife, she'll be fine. You know, she'll she'll go on and live great life and find somebody else. But I look at every decision I make now the lens of my daughters. You know, what's what's my daughter? Gonna think if she finds out that I did this. And it's a. An extremely powerful way to the world. And and honestly has been has been a very big source of strength for me and looking at the world that way in super super proud of that. And and it was probably a a surprise. I in in that perspective. But man, it's been it's been a powerful part of a life. Yeah. Very well said Tyler please take a into here. Just a hit my listeners with a little bit about your background. And what you do. Sure, I'm an ordinary guy trying to extrordinary things by putting in the extra. And so for me that extra just work just putting in more work than the average person and my life really as far as the story got started about four and a half years ago when I found myself, we're in debt depressed, I'd been through a failed marriage failed business and finally had one of those take ownership moments. One of those. Look yourself in the mirror and realize that hey, you are exactly where you are because of the decisions, and and things that you have done in your life, and at that point decided to what I call wage war on personal change. It wasn't just a, hey, I want to become a better version of myself, or you know, let's get into some self development. I completely waged war and became a different person from the inside out and during that time, some mentors come into my life, and I got into business with them and over the course of the next four and a half years. Everything changed never that twelve months when from being flat broke two making over three hundred grand and commissions told months later reformed fifty or sixty twelve months became one of the owners of our insurance agencies with over two hundred eight across the country. And so it's been a world win over the last four and a half years. My daughter coming in about you know, almost two and a half years into that process. But it's been. Most rewarding experience I've ever gone through. Because when you actually are doing the work to earn it it makes it so much better. Like, I I can't fathom having these incredible results and not looking back and saying yes 'cause I didn't insane amount of work. I love the fact of doing the work that nobody's willing to do. And then getting the results that that no one else is able to reap the benefits of. And so it's it's been a crazy process. Two years ago started documenting at all and social media just as a way to pay forward way to give back, and you know, I feel I'm I am blessed to be a blessing to others. And so all the stuff that doing social media. I don't sell anything monetize anything anyways. So we got to podcast daily law weekly log over five thousand pieces of individual content put out on social media over the last two years as simply a way to to pay that forward for those mentors that came into my life hoping that I can be that for somebody else. What an incredible. Ori- Tyler and it speaks volumes possibilities available to everyone wants they make these changes in their life. So many dads right now, I think they're working in jobs that they hate, and they feel trapped there just because it seems to risk to pursue a passionate let down their family if they fail even for the unemployed that out there right now, I'm sure he would love to hear something. He could apply to turn things around especially listening to how you went from the unemployment line to successful millionaire so quickly. So what's one piece of advice? You could offer to the unemployed dad right now to kind of give that guy a motivation or a little bit of hope. I think the biggest encouragement was when you take full ownership in understand that everything is your fault. You you break free of the handcuffs. You basically take the key back from everybody else that you've been putting the blame on and you allow yourself to break free because the the encouragement and understanding of that is, hey, I got myself into this, and I can get myself out of it. I think a lot of us are still playing this blame game which I played for probably two or three years saying, oh, well, my wife did this or my former employer this or my business partner did that this person did that and as long as you keep pointing your fingers outward, you're gonna get nowhere as soon as you point those fingers back towards you when you can actually take steps to get yourself out of a situation that you're in. And so for me that encouragement of nine, okay? I'm exactly where I'm supposed to be every single thing is my fault. And now that means that I can work myself out of this situation, but work with the only variable that I could control at that time to give myself out of it. And so it's your unemployed right now, if you're if you're employed, but. In a in an opportunity or a or a career that you just don't feel for you. Then you can do something about that. You have the ability to make that change. And you know, there's interesting thing about patience. You know, the most patient people, I know things happen the quickest to which doesn't make a lot of sense, you know, surface level. But I think that patients isn't important elements of the process because when you know that you have a long life ahead of you that no matter if you're thirty forty fifty sixty years old that you have plenty of time left gives you the ability to make the right decisions not the haste decisions and maybe too risky decisions. Because they're trying to make up for lost time. I think that's where a lot of fathers are at right now is they feel like man, I've made this bad decision. I made this mistake made this bad decision is put me here. And I have to make up for time off the half to you'll recover from all this time that I've spent in the wrong. Opportunity or in the wrong career or making wrong decisions. And they start making decisions based on that lack of patience which ultimately become too risky. Leave him down the wrong pass and the poor things to know that hey, you can make a change today. And they take a few years as long as you're doing the right things compounded over time. Then ultimately, it's gonna lead you to where you wanna go. But it all starts with taking ownership and taking that blame on yourself. Well said, and I've only been applying most of these principles of ownership recently in my life and the results have really been incredible. But Tyler it seems like the message being put out there from our society or from our pop culture is aimed at telling people that it's not their fault. And that there is someone or something else to blame for why they are where they are. And that may be a poisonous message that prevents many people from moving forward. Sure. And then in in certainly there's those things that happen to you as a child or things like a salt. In abuse. And things like that. And always get that, you know message that the since I started talking about everything being your fault in. This course, those things aren't your fault. However, letting those things control you ten years twenty years thirty is later is one hundred percent your fault. And so it's not about what happens to you in life. It's about what you do in reaction to the things that happened to you. And so to me that's why that's that process is so important because just like you said you had to change yourself before you could change your circumstances. And that's the way now that I look at every single thing in my life every goal that have gone through the half for two thousand nineteen. I don't think about what are the things that I have to do to get it. I think about who's the person had to become the person that can achieve those things everything starts internally and then works its way out. And so if I can just constantly every single day focused on who do I have to become today to accomplish the things that I need to do today who I have to become this year. To accomplish those goals of the have for this year. It's a whole different perspective. And to me, it's more holistic approach success. Yeah. That's awesome. Okay. It is time to get an important word from our sponsors. Then back with more with Tyler Jack Harris on Alec lace in. You're listening to first class fatherhood Brandis when it comes to choosing a product that's better than the rest. There's only one label that matters to me, and it's brand list. 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So you can enjoy the high quality products that you deserve today. Seek keep taking your kids to the ball game is one of the greatest experiences in all of fatherhood. And now I class fatherhood has partnered with seatgeek, and you could save twenty dollars off your next ticket purchased by using the promo code first class. That's one word first class. Maybe you wanna go to a Broadway show a concert. Seek has the best prices for a wide variety of events. It's a slam dunk deal dads get over to WWW dot seatgeek dot com and use the promo code I plans to get twenty dollars off your next ticket purchase seat dot com. Now with all the success that you've had Tyler and the financial stability that you've made possible for your family. Does that concern you at all that your child or children eventually will be growing up with with that type of financial security because many times we kids who grow up wealthy lead less than pleasant lifestyles. Once they grow up. Do you does that give you any concern? Do you are you taking any plans or precautions to prevent that from happening? You know, something that that certainly crosses my mind on a regular basis. But I think the the best thing that I can do is just lead, by example, like I don't want my daughter to ever look at me, and the successes that we have in ever feel as though he was handed to me or given to me. And so she is able to constantly see the work that I'm putting in and seeing the effort that I'm putting in and the intent behind the that I'm putting in then she will quickly understand grow to understand that synergy between work put in and results coming out. And and that's what I think we all hope to show our kids that hey, you put extra effort in except for that. If you put to exit to get to accept it out. And I don't want to ever be in a position where I am not living that out every single day. And I think the best thing that we can do for our kids just show. Oh them. What it looks like to be successful? Not just let them enjoy the fruits of our success. Yeah. It's really one of those things that presents a unique challenge because most of us are trying to provide financial wall of security around our families or that's the goal anyway to make a lot of money. So that our kids never want for anything. But in the process, we kind of take away their opportunity to overcome some of those struggles or obstacles and most of the successful people that we see or read about their people that have had these obstacles to overcome. But then once they make it it's hard to really simulate that hardship for their kids at the SE. If we look just across the board. We could take people that came from the successful family and an unsuccessful family and children have an equal opportunity to screw their lives up. Yeah. I I look at myself. I mean, my my family did well, but I certainly took every opportunity to to screw my life up at the young age. And and so I don't think you know, whether. You know, whether my family modeled, the perfect life or or the worst life that that would that that really would have made a huge difference on the decisions that I was making. But growing up. I saw my dad hardest worker still to this day that I've ever seen. And so I knew that there was a there was a distinct relationship between hard work and results. And that's something that stay with me for the rest of my life. Very cool. All right. You have sold a couple of life insurance policies something like more than eight thousand of them. So it would be who've me not to ask you a little input on that. What advice could you give to a dad out there who's in the market right now for a life insurance policy, but he doesn't know which one may be right for his family. I think it's it's finding an advisor that you can trust that's gonna be key, you know, products products. But really it's been vice that's given to a surrounding those products in in in a approach that is. Specific to you. And not just, you know, throw out there to everyone, you know, one product maybe perfect for me, maybe terrible for you based on your circumstances. So looking for someone that sits down with you and doesn't just tell you about all the features of a product. And why it's so great. But some of the sits down with the wants to know more about your situation. It gets. No, you get to know your goals and aspirations gets to know your financial situation. And then finds the best product because they have access to all products to to create the best possible outcome. I think a lot of people will try to get you to be, you know, the the square that fits into their square versus looking at you and your situation and finding the exact right shape that fits you. And I think that that's a better approach someone that looks at the entire situation as whole, okay? That's great advice right there. What's next for you? Tyler you've had all the success. What type of goals or plans that you have a future, man? We've got a lot of different things that we're doing especially through social media doing a lot more speaking. Now, that's that's really kind of the natural progression. With what I'm doing that shoot. Speaking engagement coming up this weekend at DisneyWorld or keynote that I'm doing, and I'm really looking to do more of that in just you know, what would what we do on social media. I call it scaling impact. An impact is the ROI that we're looking for. It's the message is the comments from people that say I saw this one posted. She did I've been falling ever since. And the last six months, you know, these things have happened in my life, and it's changed my life. And and that's also what we're trying to do. Because for me, you know, looking back just four and a half years ago. And I love the fact that it was just four and a half years ago because I can still remember what it feels like what it tastes like what smells like, you know, I needed someone to come into my life and helped me out when I was in that bad time and those. Mentors. Did that for me? And and kinda breathe life back into me. And it's not for them. I would not be here. And so just trying to be that for somebody else even to a much smaller degree through the use of social media as what I spires to do. And what I think we can do on a on a very large scale because of the access that we now have using the internet and social media podcasting. And all these things just you know to to be a positive message. But a real message in a vast sea of noise that is should media. Yeah. It is awesome to see people like you spreading your message out there media because it is a wasteland of content that could be so damaging to undeveloped mind, but there are pockets of light as with the content that you're pushing out so that's awesome to see. All right. Last thing. I'm gonna hit you with here Tyler I love to ask all the dads that again on the podcast, you're fairly new father yourself some curious to hear your answer. What type of advice? Do you have for that new dad or? That about the beef are who's out there listening. Man. So the best way I can answer this as a process that went through last year, and you know, with all the stuff that we're doing on social media, all the documentation, I'm doing my life. And I kept looking at it all in saying, this is this is my legacy, you know, all this footage. You know, my my daughter's going to be able to watch this when she's my age, and you know, how incredible is that gonna be and I was working with with the first coach that I've ever hired and he can't take me through this process. It just ask me why why are you doing that? But why and I kept going back to that? You know, it's my legacy and these videos are gonna live on forever. And you say, but why? Okay. Well, what does that look like and why finally after about eleven hours of him drilling down through this process? With me said, hey, I'm gonna go grab a drink. I want you to write down just what you're thinking right now. And so he came back about fifteen minutes later. He goes, right? Let's let's just read word for word what she wrote in the top of the page. I wrote. What type of legacy am? I really building. If my daughter's gonna have to watch these videos. To hear the words that should be coming out of my mouth to her in person. And my kids bingo. Is that we can get started on what's really important, and at that time of last three and a half years prior to that, you know, I'd spent two hundred plus nights hotel every single year three to four nights a week. I was I was on the road working and over the last eight months, I've been home. Working from from our office here in Greenville, South Carolina. And it's been this gigantic priorities shift when I came to that realization that all this stuff that you're doing for your family is great. But unless you're there with your family, and allowing them to go through that process with you. What does it really matter? And so it's been a gigantic priorities shift for me and somebody vice is just, you know, going all in this so important, but going all in all areas is the key. And so when I'm home, I wanna be one hundred percent home. There's a big difference between being present being available. The difference between listening to someone listening with your eyes. And so I wanna be fully present all in when I'm at home. And that's what gives me the ability to be fully present. And all in when I'm not at home when I am working. And I think this idea of work life. Balance is an absolute joke to me it's just being able to rescue. Denies the imbalance as quickly as possible in just a Cordingley as quickly as possible and the faster you can recognize those imbalances, and then the faster that you can adjust accordingly. The better off you're going to be. But this idea that one day you're going to finally be unbalanced is absolutely ridiculous. It's just being willing to make those judgments when you do realize that things are at a balance and becomes a huge key. But to me that's been the biggest probably shift, paradigm shift and and priority change in my life. And I think that it may help someone right now that's the candle at both ends to realize. What's really important, very well said great advice. I love the message. You are a first-class father. And I gotta say Tyler Jack, Harris. Thank you so much for giving me a few minutes of your time on first-class bothered, man. Thank you so much and thank you for what you're doing. Because this type of podcast is what's needed. It's it's was needed for those guys that are out there. Just trying to make this thing work. And flying by the they're paying they need direction. And they need to see other influential people that are struggling with the same things. And that are figuring it out and that are able to pass those less than down. It's it's very very admirable thing that you're doing I couldn't appreciate it anymore. Thank you for that. Tyler. I appreciate that. I'll be back with a couple of final thoughts and just a second here. Back to wrap things up here on first-class class. Fatherhood. I gotta give special. Thank you once again to Tyler Jack Harris for giving me a few minutes of his time here that was so cool. Police at me up on Twitter guys drop me that over on Instagram. Let me thought about today's episode. I always love to read your feedback. And then lock it in. We still got more action coming your way here on the podcast tomorrow. I will be joined by a fellow fatherhood podcast. Larry Hagner, the host of the dead edge podcast is going to join me. And then on Friday, we're going to close out the week strong with former navy seal Brandon Cruz. All right. That's all. I got for you guys today. I m Alex lace you have been listening to firstly fatherhood. And please remember guys. We are not babysitters. We are fathers that we're not just fathers. We are first class fathers. Sophie. I open. No. Town.

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#156 Jason Mesnick

First Class Fatherhood

32:56 min | 2 years ago

#156 Jason Mesnick

"Yeah. Lace? Welcome to first-class fatherhood. Welcome everybody episode one fifty six a podcast. I am happy as always to be here with you. Thank you stopping by. If this is your first time listening to podcast, please get over there. And thing that subscribe button, you do not wanna miss all the action. That's coming your way right here on first-class fatherhood. Okay. Dads have an exciting guest to bring you guys today to close out our to episode tribute to the season finale of the bachelor, many of you guys probably have wives girlfriends out there who have been chatted it up about Colton Underwood. And who is going to pick on tonight's season. Finale of the show every year, they seem to have a little bit of a different angle to throw it the bachelor to ED's his backstory this year. The guy's virgin ten years ago. He was a single dad, and I have that dad with me today on the podcast. He is a first class father who entered the world of reality TV as a single dad is first appearance came on season four of the bachelorette where he was the runner up. Jason MS Nick was in the process of his proposal to the bachelorette at the time who put the brakes on the. Entire operation Jason was chosen as the bachelor for season thirteen of the successful series. And as having a child didn't add enough drama to the storyline. Jason created a bit of controversy himself by choosing a woman Melissa actually proposing to her only to break up with her on the season finale and then choose the runner up. Molly who is now his bride together. They have a daughter so after all was setting done Jason mezzanine ended up finding true love as a result of reality TV experience. And he is my guest for today's podcast, please stick around for the interview the clocks have sprung ahead here on the east coast that gives us a little bit more daylight to enjoy the outdoors with our kids. And before you know, it baseball season will be upon us here at while. They can cost a small fortune at times to take your family to the game. There are ways to save. And one of them is by buying your tickets on seatgeek dot com or through the seatgeek app. Use the promo code first class one word first class and first class father who listeners will save twenty dollars off their ticket. That's that's good for baseball basketball, Broadway and beyond so get out there. Download the seatgeek app. Buy your tickets and use the promo code first class tomorrow on the show is a first-class father who went from sitting in the bleachers. The sitting in the luxury boxes Taylor, Jack Harris became a millionaire just three and a half years removed from the unemployment lines. Trust me, you will want to hear his advice coming to you tomorrow on the podcast. Let's go dad's locking into first class fatherhood here. Fatherhood rocks. Family values rule and every day is Father's Day right here with me, and I'm going to jump right into the action now with former bachelorette former bachelor, Jason Resnick. I'm Alec lace. And you're listening to first class fatherhood. I cannot say thank you enough to all the listeners out there. You'll hear a word from my sponsors in the middle of today's interview if you'd like to help me make first class fatherhood, Ed free, please consider becoming a supporter of the podcast by hitting the link in the description of today's podcast episode. All right. Joining me now is a first class father. He was the runner up on the fourth season of the bachelorette. And then he found the true love of his life on season thirteen of the bachelor. He was the first star of the series to come into the game as a first class father already. It is a big pleasure for me to say Jayson s Nick welcome to I last fatherhood first class. Nobody's ever said that to me ever. That's right. Well, hey, listen on this show. You are a first class father Jason. Okay. I'm just happy to be just happy to be dad. All right. How many kids do you have? And how old are they got two kids? I'm actually home like when he reached out with my five year old Riley sick today. And then I've got a a fourteen year old for my first marriage full on into puberty chasing girls, you know, the whole bit. Yeah, we are about to have a teenager in our house next month. So we are bracing for impact over here. It's pretty funny. A what type of sports activities at into see my son, all sports? He's kind of narrowed everything down plate everything growing up. Soccer. Baseball basketball, flag football, not not tackle. And then now just as basketball, and he's starting to get the golf. Daughter is full into gymnastics does that every week with a group, and what she says girl scouts some lessons. She's more of like a like get out of the house do stuff kind of curl. Okay. Do you get in there, and kosher all do you like to enjoy more from the sideline? Both coached basketball. I've never been like for him. I was never like the head coach everything 'cause I was a really crappy athlete. So I helped when he was really little with baseball coaches baseball teams in literally and basketball, but not football, definitely not football. It's funnier asking because we're just getting ready for my daughter to start T-ball for the first time. So I'm going to be one of the coaches there too. So I'll probably be a probably a little bit more involved with her just because I I I love doing with him. But I got kinda coached out pretty quick by some other really good coaches, but already like at her world like the dad's like you better do this. We need your help. I'll tell you what it is a very enjoyable experience. I love to coach them before it gets really competitive and super technical than I let the real coaches come in take over. And then I go back down to the little kids and and get back to the basics. Yeah. No. I like my memories of my son are like, really. Just trying to teach them. How to do jumping jacks giver watch kids jumping Jackson little no. Yeah. It is awkward for sure. It's so funny. So my only memories of like coaching my son or like trying to teach him Jim jumping Jackson as very little to do with hitting a baseball or like shoot a basketball. Yeah. And of course as dad's. We like to look back at this through like superman, goggles and think that we always knew what we were doing. Yeah. You think the best to when you all like, oh, man. I'm so good. And you're running the third bases at first base. All right. Jason please take him in here to hit my listeners with a little bit about your background. What you do? So what I do. My day job is in real estate. So I help people buy and sell homes and in the Seattle area. I've lived here for most of my life. So that's kinda the the day job. And luckily like day like today when my daughter's sick, I can kind of stay in while my wife goes to work and be here until she gets home. I mean, obviously, I'm here from this randomly randomly. This is my ten year anniversary for the bachelor can't believe it's been ten years. So that's that's that's why I'm sure you reached out. I'm I'm definitely a dad, but I probably wouldn't have been reached as I was on the show. Gosh. Yeah. Even like a week and a half ago. I was in New York with the new bachelor is names Colton, and it's just amazing. How big of? I gather is. I mean, he's twenty six, you know. So like when I was in the bachelor he was a teenager in high school and his world now like we're good Morning, America. And he's around filming everything, and you know, doing Snapchat and Instagram posed and all this stuff. I'm like, what are you doing? What should I be doing that? Yeah. The game has certainly changed since your time on the show now with streaming everything and live videos everywhere. Oh, yeah. When did you first become a dad Jason and had to becoming a father kind of change your perspective on life? I became a dad. So obviously my son's fourteen. I was I had dated his mom for five years, and we got married and married for a couple years, and she and she decided to go in other directions. That's where the marriage ended. But you know, it was pretty quick from win her, and I got married and probably the biggest impact. To me is you know, once we split up. It was you know, kinda went through some stuff early on where he was with me. I say eighty to ninety percent of time for about three years, which you know, as you know, you know, I wouldn't say it was a single dad, but it was a dad with wiz with my kid. You know, a lot of the time. It would just a big, you know, I I loved every minute of it especially early on because I was able to get, you know, grow this awesome bond with my son Thai. But it was but it was really hard. And I think anybody who's with, you know, shit like co-parenting or single parents or whatever you might wanna call it that do that. It's a whole different challenge then kinda traditional when you've got two parents involved. Yeah. Speaking about challenges, what were some of the challenges of doing to reality TV shows back to back while being a father. Well, the first one I did. So when the bachelorette he was definitely not around much for. For that. So like there is like we did a trip out Seattle. And it was just more like coordinating like, you know, my sister-in-law to pick them up from daycare and then meet us at a park. So that was very small thing. Like, he may have been a part of it for gosh, I'm going to bet like five hours or less total. So that was much of a challenge. But like when it became, you know, the next season when it was the bachelor, you know, they wanted him to be of highlighted, you know, the the whole idea back, then was kinda MIR the movie sleepless in Seattle if everybody remembers that movie with Tom Hanks, and they really wanted it to look like I was the single living on a houseboat, and they try to get the rights from the movie sleepless in Seattle, but the the movie would give ABC's production companies the rights to do it. So they really faked it like, they they rented a house vote because I lived in a tiny little house and in the Seattle area, which wasn't gonna look. Great for TV. And I think the challenge more that more than anything was making sure that I was protecting him away from like I really wanted to see him because I thought you know, he's a great kid. And I knew they picked me, basically because you know, that was my story that single dad would which that point wasn't even really the case. It was here, you know, is shared custody with ex wife fifty half the time. But you know, they had all these ideas of hey, like when you go on a date. We're gonna have all these girls twenty five girls, you know, babysit him. And so they pushed these weird concepts on me. And it was like, you know, what that's that's not going to happen. You know, I I know that that seems fun for TV land. But in my real world, like I would never let twenty five strangers that are, you know, twenty to thirty years old drinking day, long, babysit my son. So I think the challenge really was just protecting. What I knew was right from what they want. Fid to portray on TV. Yeah. I can understand that how about your family. Jason. How does your parents and family members? React. I mean were they cautious or concerned about doing reality TV, given the fact that you did have a son and this was going to affect him in some way. Don't trust me. I mean, my parents know, out of like, I've got two brothers, and my brothers are very much more traditional they work at big companies. And you know, they probably wouldn't do like people in for example, people in real estate, or, you know, you're basically on your own in you, you make a living when you buy and sell help your client find so home. I would never do that. They're much more consistent more consistency in their life. And you know, like right out of college. I was one kid who like pick up my backpack drawn Europe by myself for three months. So I think when when I came to them, you know, with this whole bachelor thing, they were like, you know, of anybody who's gonna do it. It's gonna be you. And I think they just wanted me to really think through and of course, back then, you know, like, I was never going on the show just thinking you're gonna get married or find your wife, especially on the bachelorette because chances of that are so slim, but it'd be they trusted me and more importantly, like when I needed help if especially when I was on the bachelor, if it was, you know, we we spent three weeks filming in New Zealand, and my son was in New Zealand with us. And so they, you know, they spent time obviously taking helping take care of him when I was out filming. And you know, there were times where like when we're filming down in California where you know, maybe even less my. Parents. But like, you know, my brother, which why down, and you know, babysit my son while I was why was out filming and doing the bachelor stuff, and I come back, you know, late at night, and my son would be like sleeping three at the time. He just be sleeping in my bed, and my brother would be in the room next door. So it was you know, my parents were definitely part of it. But it was definitely as as a kind of like, you know, I I don't even want to say single dad, which is dad who had part-time custody. I had a lot of other people involved, you know, even before the bachelor, my younger brothers. He's three years younger. You know, he he he moved into my house to help take care of my son. So, you know, we we'd have to you know, to people on staff really to take care of them. Yeah. That's awesome. It really does. Take a village to raise a child. Totally. Okay. Well, Jason you have had both experiences. The pursuer end the pursued which process would you say was more enjoyable for you to take part in the bachelor or the bachelor. Lorette. I think the bachelorette when you're one at twenty five is just a fun ride. Like, you're there, especially if you end up doing the bachelor bachelorette, if your girl you've probably done the other show. So if you do the first time the first go around is just like, you're learning. How producers make a TV show? And you're you know, you're on camera, and you've got microphones attached to you. And you're kind of a part of like this production process. And also, you know, making a bunch of new friends that are kind of going through this whole same experience with you. So outside of wondering if you're gonna get a rose or not the rest of it's really fun. Right. You know, you can probably going to helicopter for the first time and travel around the United States or internationally and all it's really fun. But then when you become the bachelor, it definitely becomes much more of a job where you know, they're coming to you asking if you certain things that you wouldn't wanna do or you know, trying to trade. You know, like my son trying to poor get him in situations. Where like, you know, it'd be great. If like all the girls were babysitting him like I mentioned before. So that becomes much more challenging, but at the same time, you know, it's much more rewarding at the end. Because especially if you you get married, and you create a family, you know, that part's much morning, but I wouldn't say it's more fun. When you know, I the idea of like when I think about like, I mentioned I was backpacking around Europe. I myself just being free and having to worry about anything and traveling when you want that was much more similar to the bachelorette where you're just one of these guys. And you know, you're sitting by the campfire and night, and you're, you know, Ursa marshmallows barbecuing, you know, drinking beer with some some new friends that you've made like you don't have to worry a worry in the world where the bachelor is much more of like you're on a mission. Producers are I keep on producers 'cause you know. People make this show have a job to make an interesting show. And they're always sitting down talking to you. And you know, eighty percent maybe eighty ninety percent of your time is in that world versus even be on camera. Good stuff. Okay. Tie important word from our sponsors. And then back with more from Jason mezzanine on Alec lace in. You're listening to first glance fatherhood seatgeek taking your kids in a bowl game is one of the greatest experiences in all of fatherhood. And now I class fatherhood has partnered with seatgeek, and you could save twenty dollars off your Knicks ticket purchased by using the promo code first class. That's one word first class. Maybe you wanna go to a Broadway show a concert. Seek has the best prices for a wide variety of events. It's a slam dunk deal dads get over to WWW dot seatgeek dot com and use the promo code I plans to get twenty dollars off your next ticket purchase CDC dot com. 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Go to brand list dot com forward slash listen and receive free shipping on orders of forty eight dollars or more. So you can enjoy the high quality product. That you deserve today. All right. I know your daughter is a little too young yet. But how much does your son time know about this entire thing? And what age would you be comfortable with him watching the season in which you and your wife, I met. It's funny. He's Justice fourteen year old. He's just started to ask. Now, you know, his friends probably know more than he does. So he was three and he has no memory of being on the show. And you know, at this point is life. His mom doesn't really want him to be on TV or any of that kind of stuff. She said, you know, now that the bachelor over like, let's just have him out of it. So I think that there's a piece of him that is curious where he's definitely asked. It's it's really suspending the last couple of weeks like I'm gonna watch the show, and I'm like, no, I mean, he definitely watches as a teenager. You know, worse things on TV than the Dutch were, but he still hasn't seen any of it where my daughter like she's never seen the show. But you know, they had a they they were nice enough to to do a wedding on TV, but she's seeing the wedding, and especially as a little girl. You know, want mommy's the Princess, and there's definitely no drama. You know, there's not the same drama at the at the wedding episodes are, you know, the regular episodes. So she seeing that kind of stuff, but he hasn't asked about watching the show. I think, you know, do some of my own just kinda fun social media marketing type stuff even for for working real estate. And we've pulled some old clips just even the last couple of weeks from from the bachelor off just you know, I tunes or YouTube, and it's more of a chuckle of like, you don't even look at it like that anymore. Daddy. Yeah. Being ten years ago. Yeah. No. That's gotta be a terrific wedding video that they shot, and that'll be something guys will treasure forever. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. All right. Jason you proposed or you were in the process of proposing to the bachelorette did having a child and being a single dad, ultimately turn out to be the reason that she turned you down or was it just simply not meant to be. I don't think it was meant. I mean, like, I know where you know, I know her now, and, you know, retrospectively in knowing what happened like, I don't think she was ever gonna be comfortable in the world. You know, we with somebody who had a kid, you know, there's definitely a TV production aspect of having to people there on the last day. So it looks like that. But you know, in my mind, you know, I guess if I could go back and do that again, I, you know, you don't propose to somebody when you're single dad after a couple of months, but so I think I think that worked out the way it was supposed to and again. And I even think that way, you know, fast forward to the bachelor worked out the way it was supposed to you know, I I had proposed to somebody else. And she, you know, she was created just, you know, dated a couple of months afterwards end up working out. But I would say luckily, you know, with Molly we dated for another year afterwards of her flying Seattle. Get. To know, my my son and just doing Chris like every week for a year. So it ended up being even though we weren't in the same count for a while into being much more of a normal kind of dating relationship versus any of the bachelor stuff. Yeah. And it's crazy to me the way dating is done with this generation. I'm not sure how much of it can be attributed to shows like the bachelor and the bachelorette. But today's kids they're using their phones to swipe off or swipe right or whatever to pick a person that they wanna go out with. It's like speed dating in a sense. But with all these phones and screens comes a struggle for a lot of dads out here. So how do you kinda handle the screen time video games social media, particularly with your son Thai? Well, first of all the worst. Because meaning that I trust my well little different with my daughter. But I trust my son that like if he gets good grades and gets all this homework done. And isn't you know, he's still not out and about like doing bad things that I've that I know. Oh about that. I really trust him to give him free time, right especially during the school year. Like, you get home and do homework dinner, and all of a sudden you wanna play four night, or you know, NBA basketball video game. So I really trust him. So I will say that a really interesting conversation for me that I'm probably pretty lenient on it. But it's funny. This is like little choice Thursday last this past Saturday. My son says to me, he's like, you sport, you spoil you spoil us too much. And I was like, well, what do you mean? And he said an because I really don't like I literally probably by him Peres shoes every year, and maybe a couple of video games outset of holidays. Like, I don't buy a lot of stuff, and he was referring to like as much time as let him do have screen time. When we started talking about it more. I said, so you know, if this what you want like I am going to probably be stricter one. You're you know, one. Just my son. Tommy, I'm like, I think you're right. And so he's he's a kid who's asking for. I was a little bit more discipline. So he's so, and I think part of it comes from he's the plate year basketball like all these traveling programs and whatnot and he's not doing that anymore. So he had this everyday routine of like like, I'm home. I, you know, do my homework I go to practice, and you know, have dinner, and maybe have a little bit of time for myself video games. But now he doesn't have that like the only place for his whole basketball team. And he's probably just feeling like he's he knows it too much. So realistically, I would say in the last like six days, it's even changing our house where I dunno screen times. It's hard because you know, your kids see you on the screen, right? Even if you're editing. You know, like, you were telling me, you're editing. Your your podcast, you're on your phone. Yeah. That has. Become a major challenge for because I never had any of these social media accounts before I started this podcast. But now, I'm on my phone all the time trying to promote it and everything. So I'm definitely on it much more now for sure, and they see you, and you could say, well, it's for work, and I'm doing this. But there is it's like you're still just doing your on your phone. So I think, you know, I'm I'm point fingers. But like we all are. And so it's I just think it's an every it's a it's a growing challenge that we're gonna have to face. And I I think as long as I can see my son kind of making sure that he's doing real life stuff with his friends versus just on his head headset. You know, talk plenty XBox with them which strangely enough. He's he's also asking for which I thought was cool. Yeah. We're a Catholic family, and my kids they all gave up video games for lent. So now they're off the table completely which is good. But we do use that fort night for like a form of currency to get them to do things around the house. So it'll definitely be more of a challenge to us to come up with creative ways to give them other incentives to do things. But I mean, the whole thing it is very challenging. Oh, yeah. Well, I think every person no doubt. Right. Jason you have had a lot of success. A lot of adventures in your life already. What kind of goals? Do you have coming up for yourself? What's next for Jason messianic here? Well, first of a lot of travels coming up, but outside of that probably. I think two things one is some forty two now and somebody was asking me this to like it New Year's you're like what you're is Lucien. I don't really have annual resolutions. But the first thing that came to my mind was, you know, I'm probably plus or minus near the halftime when my life, right? You know, unless something drastic happens. So maybe I'll like if health goes, well, I'll lived like eighties eighties, mid eighties, whatever. So I thought like my only goal when I thought about that was like can I make the second half my life better than I asked my s-. So I literally, and this is, you know, been over the last couple couple months of. Okay. So I think about them almost every day now. And it's just really, okay. So if I really, you know, I had good I forty two years, and you know, what do I do now to make it better for me, and my family and those around me, and that means a whole bunch of different things. So it's it's. Work. It's family is how it give back to the community. It's all it's all those things. But also like I think day in and day out. You know, like you doing this podcast, you know, in in my day job in real estate. You know, I think about that too. It's one is, you know, who do I really wanna draw in, you know? As far as people I can help buy and sell houses. And you know, instinct, interestingly enough, you know, what I realize last year like some of my most fun best interesting clients have all kind of come to me because of the bachelor and stuff. And so now, I'm kind of even going through a personal kind of branding and marketing of like, how do I how do I figure out how? Market in brand towards those people. So that's probably more of a short term thing. Like, you know, I was videos yesterday of of kind of Basler world meets real estate world myself. So just an ongoing like, you know, enjoying more of what I do. And also like as they can these next forty two or whatever years, you know. Awesome. Awesome. They can. Yeah. Well said, and it seems like all the evidence is pointing towards celebrities promoting themselves and their own brand. Instead of being spokesperson for another company. So things are definitely changing into game. And definitely creating new opportunities as it happens. Yeah. Why even like, you know in the bachelor must be. I don't know. I'm probably underestimating ten to twenty bachelor contestants to do a podcast of. It's very bachelor related like, you know, the kids kids in their mid twenties that that are trying to build, you know, a community around them and talking about the bachelor, but Molly, and I did that gosh, I'd say six or seven years ago, we had a podcast. And so like, I totally get it. You know, I wish I wish I could convince Molly my wife you keep on keep on doing it. But you know, there's all different ways, and, you know, all different ways of continuing to brand yourself and build whatever you want to build. Yes. Definitely. All right. Last thing. I'm gonna hit you with Jason. I love to ask all the data that I get on the podcast, what type of vice do you have that new dad or for that about that beef are who's out there listening vice? I mean, I've had two friends that just had the first kids to just love every minute. I mean, that's like every everything goes so fast. You know, like we have this like little wall of fame of like just a kids growing up in our inner house, and like I walked by the first pictures, my son like on my shoulders at the zoo, and he's like two years old. And like literally he's at fourteen now and he's a good kid, but he's still would much rather. He, you know, if he had ten things to do it would be the first ten would be things with his friends, and you know, I wouldn't even be on the top ten list. And so it's enjoy every stinking moment. You know, you know, when they're little, and I have a friend of mine that we we joke when the baby's born there more much more like a like a larva like they they can't do much. They rely you know, they just kinda lay there and eventually they learn how to sit up and then roll roll over on their tummies. After time. And I I just think like like loving every single minute is the best thing, you know. And then obviously, there's the balance of, you know, your relationship with with your partner, your wife or husband, and then, you know, building in working in in making living. But like, I would I would drop anything in my world. You know, like, I'm, you know, my daughter's sick today, and we're just you know, until we have this schedule which sitting on the couch. She's watching watching the Flintstones, and I was working, but just love every single minute. 'cause it's it's the best thing. Like, I care. Like, thankfully, not on my deathbed or haven't been near it. But like I can guarantee you you're going to at the end of the day. You're going to be thinking about these moments and not not like. Not like what you did for work, or, you know, you know, those type of things are gonna remember these special moments with your family. Yeah. Very well said great message. This has been a lot of fun for me. You are a first-class father. And I gotta say Jason Mesolithic. Thank you so much for give me a few minutes of your time on first-class fatherhood. Yeah. From him. Okay. Back with some final words here in just a second. Back to wrap things up here on first class. Fatherhood. I gotta give a special. Thank you once again to Jason Mesnil for giving me a few minutes of his time here, and I'm so cool. Please hit me up on Twitter. Guys, dropped me that DA over on Instagram. I always love to read your feedback. Lock it in still got a lot more coming your way this week. Tyler Jack, Harris is a first class father who went from being broken on the unemployment line to being a multimillionaire in three and a half years. He has got some advice for you guys that you definitely do not wanna miss out on Thursday. I have a fellow fatherhood podcast. Larry Hagner joining me on the show. We're gonna close out the week strong with another frogman Friday episode with former navy seal brand, new crews. That's all I got for you guys today. Enjoy that little bit of extra daylight there on the east coast. I'm out she have been listening to firstly fatherhood. And please remember guys. We are not babysitters. We are fathers, and we're not just fathers. We are first class fathers. Sophie. Down. It took some time. I open. No. Town.

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Bonus  John Gerdy, Hans Watford and Elizabeth Holmes

Charlotte Readers Podcast

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Bonus John Gerdy, Hans Watford and Elizabeth Holmes

"Welcome to charlotte readers podcast r- authors give voice to the written words. This is the show where made sure all authors and those who visit the quaint city. We hear them read their work today. We've got a bonus episode recorded a laugh podcast davidson college on june eighth two thousand nineteen in the taller. Tom and sloan music building known to a students who attended in the late seventies. 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Let's get to the stories. I'm your host. Landis wade thank you for listening class of nineteen seventy-nine davidson college union episode uh made authors john gertie elizabeth homes and hands wofford davison graduates who proved that a liberal arts education really can't help you do almost anything including right a few books john gotti was successful college basketball player turn college sports commissioner turn lifelong musician who reads discusses cusses his latest book baller bands sports the question football versus music as an education community investment speaking of exploring bring elizabeth liz homes have allowed her and navigate the worlds of prose and poetry takes on an adventure in her book passing world's tahitian heating the era of captain cook and finally who better to write novels about doctors fighting for their lives medical suspense thriller then hands watts per for the life of a doctor every day. We'll find out from hands where the doctor jack harris will live to make it through the live. Episode episode started with john reading a part of his book that shows two sides personnel s._e._c. sports commissioner by day and blues man by night notice willie marble listening raise her poem incidental which illustrates what can happen only incidentally the captain might argue when the people from one world visit themselves upon people of another hansen read saying we're dr jack hairs belong physician the king and cash-strapped emergency room on a co louisiana night meets the young female l. assault victim will lead him on a journey for his and her very survival. Let's tune into the live podcast. I hope you enjoy <hes> at davidson. We had dismal team records due to a program that was in severe disarray during my four years. We had five head coaches which must be an n._c._a._a. Record yet despite the disarray disappointing records. 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Wake trotted out block room passing by sunday way teammate of mine carter todd his eyes wide followed each of them them as they pass bond remark. Hey who chose these teams. We need to pick over after davis continue my education at ohio university and got my masters in sports administration p._h._d. In higher education spent three years at the n._c._a._a. And six years as associate commissioner of the southeastern conference <hes> for compliance in academic fair so shortly after arrived i was asked by the athletic directors to come in and you know brief them on what does compliance and academic fair stuff really means okay now a pickup book from there i proceeded to give them my best rap about the importance of compliance academics institutional integrity and student athlete welfare and how with their help we. We're going to turn the southeastern conference into a model of institutional control for athletics in short. I spilled my guts. When else finished i'd i'd left it all on the meeting room floor silence then a longtime athletic director leaned over the table clears throat slowly turned to me and said son. I don't know who you are aware. You're from but you best. Remember you win the s._e._c. now. The culture of the s._e._c. male dominated football assessing the deep. South is one of the last bastions of conservative old boy network by day. I was john gertie associate commissioner with the s._e._c. Very <unk> button-down shirt tie bigwig straight-laced ultra-conservative jock culture at night however i was known around the artsy funky five-point section of town with its bars restaurants toronto nightclubs as willie marble blues musician these virtually polar opposite cultures the beauty was that there were only two or three people who knew how the paths crossed fine upstanding all american jock by funky blues man by night. I had a great time you birmingham but like luzon with the birth of our first child in nineteen ninety-five my six six year stay in birmingham came to a close likely at the right time is by then it seemed that i was spending more time being willy marble than john gertie incidental. They wanted food water sex. They meant to advance science seek adventure serve the king win souls for christ or earn a wage and stay alive. It was purely incidental. The fleas on the rats on a french ship carried plague that surgeons declared men clean allowed them ashore not knowing venereal cereal disease could incubate months without symptoms that the introduction of alcohol made alcoholics the girls gave birth to half european babies to be brought up with love or killed that sheep a world away from their rockwall pastures left left behind as gifts suffered sheared till they died of the heat that cats another gift eight flightless birds to extinction extinction that islanders came to despise alike infanticide and tattoo artistry human sacrifice yes and the phenomenal skill canoe builders and cloth makers it was incidental that decent men intending no harm fixed tahiti in the crosshairs of longitude and latitude for every predatory ship to come that within thirty or forty years years the population declined ninety percent that no woman started inflicted or exacerbated any of this incidental that people who had known where they stood on their island like a great fish in a family in a class in the bright world above the ancestors and gods now perched idle shrunken backward on a volcanic dot and in the pacific and did not know alone as in the beginning the one god tower aw stood alone in the void loyd called and called but nothing replied being a god he changed himself into the universe they you were not gods and to move the rock of foundation had cracked though the dome of the sky still sword where tani had propped cropped it on pillars of stars they could no longer hold up their heads beneath it. Dr jack kerris harris breeds into his cupped hands. The heating and the e._r. wasn't good enough to overcome the frequent bursts of cold damp air the automatic doors a cold that cut right through him he'd only been in this e._r. Rotation for three nights but the freak winter weather made it feel more like nova scotia than the remote coastal town of do all louisiana his his white coat and scrubs were no match for the brisk wind that fro sheets of ice on the ambulance ramp jack rubbed his eyes took the x ray film from their sleeve. The small hospital was leaking money so fast that it was just a matter of time before it closed and administration issued new budget cuts that bordered on absurd that taken away the view box in the private dictation room so he had to get his first look at the film's in front of the patient something he dreaded since it robbed him of the chance to compose himself. If the news was bad he's passed the curtains around to ebay e. r. bay three snap the x rays to view box and looked at the girl. Is it getting numb yet. So what are you care. She shivered in her wet clothes. He'd write the blanket around her shoulders. She turned down the offer to change into some dry scrubs. Why should i care. It's none of your business. That's why she straightened her back. All attitude the our chart said that shannon willis was only sixteen too young to have taken in that kind of blow to her face and arm jacket already set a broken wrist and the cast the bruising and cuts like somewhat had wrenched her arm before it broke he had had a feeling that she hadn't fallen down some stairs the source story she told the triage nurse she dragged away when jack tried to generally examine the laceration over over cheekbone overlying the cut were small marks the kind knuckles mike make he ran his hand through his thick black hair something he'd done since childhood hood whenever he was worried he was only twenty eight himself but he wasn't sure how to reach her one poorly chosen word and she'd run your cheek bounded rounded and broken but the swellings bad and you'll have a nasty bruise. It'll take a few weeks for the discoloration to go away weeks. She strained to see her reflection in the glass cabinet. I'm at doors above the counter. Am i going to have a scar. I don't think so. I can close the skin with some story strips. It hurts a no but i'm sorry sorry. You might need something for pain but i'll have to give the prescription to your parents. I don't need any pain. Medicine just fixed me up and i'll go. Is anyone here with you she. She nervously ransacked her purse removing lipstick and some paper. I've got money. Jack heard the harsh signal from the emergency radio at the nursing deaths. The triage nurse would answer ah but only be a matter of moments before she call him. What we talk about here is confidential. I'm worried about you. Maybe i can help. I don't need your help. The bones not brokers because just fix it so i don't have a scar the nurse pull the curtain ajar. Dr harris does a call for you. Ambulance is the police he could sense the young young girl tensing up but before he could say anything. The nurse said one of the officer's been shot. They're bringing them in a squad car and their close three authors graduated with me from davidson college in nineteen seventy nine despite our various majors. We each became published authors. John gertie was davison sociology major and all american basketball. Ask ball player is the author of five books among them baller bands football versus music as an educational community investment airball american educations failed experiment with elite elite athletics and sports. The american addiction john's been recognized by the institute of international sports is one of america's most influential sports educators lisbeth breath lists homes as the davison english major and is now a writer and editor for the president provost cornell university in new york and the author of three novels and three books of poetry must recently passing passing worlds to heat in the air of captain cook or previous collections of poetry are the patients that the cloud photographer and the playhouse new dark but published by carnegie mellon university press hands walker was davison biology major. It's now a cardiologist in private practice in birmingham alabama and the author of two medical thrillers his first book mortal strain when i place outstanding fiction at the prestigious santa barbara writing conference who was nominated for the edgar award for best first novel by american can offer the second of his jack series. Lethal risk was nominated for the best fiction book of the year and how fox news is one of the best books to read a summer rebecca. The great thing is john lewis hands are just a few of the authors in her class and others include francis taylor michael kennedy sent the newbury martin tim mcdowell which only goes to show that when you go to a college that doesn't feature multiple guests exam questions you to the foundation to write a book. Hey welcome to the show this hands and john. Thank you the space where we are in the nine hundred room. This is a as you recall in college. The carpet smelled a little different right like spilt beer so when the three of you were sipping pitchers of beer here in this room is eighteen to twenty one year olds. Do you have any idea any plan any notion any daydream that one day you'd author a book and come back forty years later to the scene of the crime talk lose no. I was not thinking of that when i was in the nine hundred room. No no no. I was thinking other things. I did some research <hes> long before we were in school here this building house the libraries and that's where the name came from for this room because it housed the nine hundred series of books and i don't know what that was so i went on a google p._d. Whatever looked it up. The nine hundred series the dewey decimal system is history and geography. It's a perfect allama with liz. Poetry work about captain cook's voyage and now the space is the slow music center perfect for john's book promotion using hands why you hear uh-huh martin no no but i kept him busy okay. Let's talk second about how your davison degrees lead you to where we are today john. You're a sociology algae major at davidson. Is there any way to connect. The dots between sociology major and nonfiction author help you with this book and anyway many years life. I'm not i'm not so sure <hes> sociology part of it did all that much but i do believe that the culture of davidson and in my experience there is an athlete and as a student <hes> m- one of my core beliefs which informs all of my in writing on this subject is that as much as we love athletics we have to value and support and fund and education and my parents i learned after my parents might come into davidson that only reinforced it. <hes> the values of <hes> the culture at davidson in terms of you know honesty integrity community service given back and i do think that regard using using those values that were taught here you can use that as prism through which to look at any any whether it's medical profession in our whether it's education or whether it's lennox using those core values that we learned here at davidson. I think serves is a great foundation upon which to look looking evaluate other areas and sort of apply those principles to to what are issues. You're writing about so liz. You were an english major newson that might i be the most direct path to authors. 'cause i'm jump on hand soon just a second so big an english major the house the connection for you because you've been prose and poetry while i was always interested in in writing <hes> even when i was a kid but i think what davidson and did for me <hes> i think i had great professors in the english department and <hes> we did a heck of a lot of close reading <hes> just really looking being hard at a text and seeing what's in there <hes>. Why did the author do this or do that. <hes> why choose this word that word and i also had great professors who said you turned in an essay. It's clear it makes sense now. Make it interesting. You know. Do you something more with it <hes> so it was that challenge i think to <hes> sort of open your eyes when your kid who likes books than you <hes> suddenly you begin to find out how hard it is to write them. Yeah enhance you a biology major now. You probably have fill in the blank tests s. or something right. I'm guessing but is there. Is there some kind of connection here between biology major and writing about medical stuff well. I think one of the things i really liked about davidson was that we didn't have many fill in the blanks. Even in biology even our labs you had to stand and defend things and you had to know more completely a subject that you might not have known if you just new to study for the answers and pick the right answer on the on the page and that ah attracted me to davidson's one of the many things that attracted me to davidson but also the benefit all of us had is there was such a standard rendered of exploring with your brain in every class you had whether it was science class or any other class and the professor's here special we all know that we've been talking some of them as we've been here this weekend and they want you to think and they want you to think outside the box and they want you to thank in and really stress your brain when you're here in a way that makes your brain nimble later for other things that come your way or surprises and this was a surprise to me yeah. We're gonna get more into the writing like before the podcast over today but <hes> before we did. I think i i'm seeing sort of a pattern here and maybe less davison taught us to right. That's just us what we had to do right so it seems to me like a couple of old jocks. John and i can write a book enhanced turn medicine in the medical thriller. We know this. You got there but if he can do that do that anybody in this room. I mean just like some books next next time. We'll have a bigger panel so we're going to sound refunding trying to sell books unlike one day. I was selling the cyclopes in high school. He went next door to the neighbors and say you don't wanna buy encyclopedia's do this. Uh he sold encyclopedia authors always trying to sell their stuff and one of the things that have to do is emma put them on the spot here in a second and i'm old submit to it as well as you gotta make an elevator later pitch so here it is we're actually going to be on an elevator elevator panel from the first or second floor in chambers run into somebody from the class of nineteen seventy nine and they see you holding your book so they say oh you wrote a book. Tell me about your book. You only got thirty seconds is slow elevator goal for you only got thirty seconds to sell your book okay so so if you do this well you might make ninety cents but let's let's go forward to john thirty seconds. Tell us about your book. <hes> <hes> our our our schools today are faced with increasing expectations regarding <hes> how to provide students with an education worthy of the twenty th century of course this is happening against the backyard of declining resources so therefore every single dollar counts we have to be more efficient and effective with every educational dollar we spent and the purpose of this book is to do <hes> <hes> a return on educational dollar invested in <hes> football versus music programs and and if you did keep score like in a football game at the end of the game the score would be music fifty five and football about twenty hands. You're uh dr harrison. A young doctor who encounters a teenage girl in the are that he thinks he's been assaulted and abused and he is pulled away with an emergency gunshot wound. Police departments involved in in when he comes back to see her. She's gone later that night. When he's off. He sees her talking some guys that are lowlifes and he break setup. Convinces let commits his the girl to let him take her to a hotel where he puts her up for the night with the desire the next morning intention the next morning to take acres social services and get her some help but when he shows up the police of their and his blood in the room and they think he killed her so this <hes> you're up to poetic nick reimagining of what happened when the first europeans arrived on tahiti two hundred fifty years ago <hes> led by the famous captain cook <hes> the poems are in multiple voices to try to bring to life. Oh cast of characters <hes> who are on both sides who are all caught up in all sorts of cross cultural clashes and miscommunication occasions and even some friendships <hes> the books appointing poignant depiction of mistakes mixed motives and a society whose delicate kit balance was altered in finally devastated by the impact of a far different one all right put them through this. I'm going to have to play too so <hes> yeah thanks for asking i've written a trilogy of books about lawyers say christmas about that. One of module says it's kind of a cross between my cousin vinny and miracle on thirty four th street <hes> the theme of the book believing without seeing which is a powerful idea and they're all separate legal mysteries and they have happy advocated by the books. We don't tell you a little bit about two to three minutes dive in each book for second. I'm gonna i'm gonna ask the panelists some questions questions. We're going to start start with john. John you wrote this <hes> nonfiction book. It could be called an entertaining thesis. That's an opening opening rage. You made clear that you're not just a lifelong musician and you're not just a college athlete that you're both so my question is. Why did you feel is important to lay that kind of foundation before you got into the meat of the book <hes> b because i think by leeann that i've competed quote unquote at the highest levels of both of you know both athletics and <hes> in in education mike h._d. And <hes> founded and run a music related had nonprofit and a lifelong musician <hes> i think it was important because it is critical of football and so on one hand it was important for me to say hey you know i my father was a high school. Football coach. I grew up in a football locker room <hes> and <hes> and is successful successful athletes so therefore i wasn't just sort of like a a pointy headed you know <hes> pointy headed intellectual criticizing criticize and sports it was important but it was important to establish credentials angels on both sides of the equation because i've just one quick example. He's like one of the primary justification for athletics is as being being part of the educational process educational institution is that at teaches teamwork right and <hes>. That's one primary justifications things. You can't learn in the classroom awesome you know anyway. I've been a five person basketball team where everybody's working together. Communicating discipline teamwork time management personal responsibility all all of those things in pursuit of a common goal right but i've also been in a five person band and there's no difference communication skills discipline teamwork personal responsibilities all of those things and it's just important i think for me to establish that i played both sides of the coin so we're hopefully brought us get into the heart issue here though john so your book title has ball or bands and your subtitle this football versus word lawyers us versus music as an educational education community investment and yet when i read that book you find many similarities among football music building character teamwork discipline community building page one hundred point out to studies have found a students who play bigger sports like football perform ten percent better at math science english and social studies and that music students scored eleven percent higher than ninety students s._a._t.'s so why does the choice have to be the didn't you see remember the titans. Those dudes could sing. You know it's a happy one of the don't in a perfect in a perfect world shouldn't but we no longer live in a perfect world. I i mean you know. There's you know we're schools are struggling. <hes> you know. Resources are being cut <hes> and <hes> yes yes. There are a certain things that they both do but as you read through the book i offer different things in terms of character development in terms of brain function in terms of direct impact on academic performance <hes> in terms of how it impacts school culture and you know i went into it. Not i mean i had my my my ideas about it but i i really tried to go into really a balanced perspective by the end of it. It was just painfully clear to me that <hes> if in doubt if you had the choose and an increasingly as <hes> as parents as educational leaders is community leaders. We're going to have to make those tough choices <hes> and it isn't a perfect world so so therefore that's that's why i wrote a book. That's where i <hes> and that's that's a conclusion <hes> that i that i came to but but again. I'm not happy about it but i i just think that's the that's the reality of the world in which we live today all right well. Thank you for that it. Did i actually being a football player myself. I went into. I don't know but i'm not going to get a reading it and you make some good points in the book so it's it's worth exploring and speaking have exploring liz just talk from you read a book of connected poems related to the british explorer captain cook and a three year voyage in the mid seventeen hundreds on the endeavor the pacific ocean and particularly his impact on the people of the island of tahiti. What drew you to write about this period of time in history and being a donal as to why did you decide to express it in poetry instead of prose a lot fewer words and poetry. You don't have to write so much no i you know i knew absolutely nothing about tahiti and i don't know a lot of history really <hes> but i sort of by accident came across an a little essay that was about one of the one of the people on captain cook's ship who was an aristocratic naturalist too when he came to this <hes> island he kind of threw himself into learning all about this culture and <hes> that kind of piqued my interest and i began to read more about it and i began to realize that it <hes> recalled called into question the vague assumptions i had about colonialism and <hes> how those how those connections and happened between european countries and some of the places they explored and it just became deeper the more i looked into it. They're more there was to see or your poem incidental. What you read the top programme here the opening poem which is called prophecy. Your first line of that poem says something strange was coming in short. Spell that out and this is what happens when it came last four oh four lines. You said this land will be taken by them. The old rules will be destroyed loyd coming on a canoe outrigger. So what did you hope that readers might take away from this work about the unintended side effects of exploration russian well. I should probably say that those lines that you read are are actually words that were said by a priest astanin nearby island just a few years before the europeans arrived at so he was quite good profit visualize this show and you got this one senior gonna read where they're looking over the edge and they're taking this new so by the way union bounty went to the two. That's right short not just few years editor. 's s. reserves way back day so you wrote an afterward about the details of cook's voyage and decided many sources. Did you have to do a lot of research for this book. I did quite a bit of research <hes> and of course most most of what you can find is from the european point of view <hes> <hes> but it was really fun to read the journals of people who were there <hes> and they're get they're different perspectives on it and the the interesting listing ways just just that eighteenth century language was was kind of interesting and i did find some there are some scholars who have really studied all of this from from the point of view of the tahitian people too and that was hugely helpful for mid mid podcast break and we'll talk to has to secondhand secondhand. You're protagonist in your series. He's a young handsome dr strapping guy. He skilled enough to handle most any medical emergency and smart enough to solve a mystery but not quite intuitive enough when it comes to understanding women so how much how much of you hands well. I'm not strapping. I'm not handsome and i went to an all boys school. Twelve years work aimed at davidson so i don't anything about women it's immagination agneda. Sometimes they say right which is good advice. Sometimes bad advice limit you but uh you've used your knowledge of medicine to bring realism to your savings and you pay just nineteen twenty. I'm reading along and it says when jack is attending a gunshot victim and we learn about the clavicle local area the aspiration of the federal vein in arterial clamp freight tendons exposure to the radial artery blood getting to where it needs to be by the owner artery artery on the other side of the forearm now i. How did your editor publisher know whether you're telling the truth. Well it's interesting. I came into this 'cause. I had written a book. I spent about ten years trying to learn how to write <hes> mysteries and thrillers and in the first book i wrote got an agent for me but it didn't get published and i had kept it a secret. I was a doctor and there's a little bit of medicine. There and i had gotten a close call with five big editors in new york and <hes> once said you know even the medicine doesn't ring right in my agent was frustrated and she said well he's a doctor. He should know and she called me and said hold on. I didn't know what that meant but i got a call from five editors who had had taken a pass on my book and every one of them said will you write a medical thriller and i said sure so but the one thing i learned pretty fast as people who i'd like to read medical thrillers. They understand these things and they like those things. You don't wanna talk down to him. So when we come back have more ratings more conversation employees are riding life segment versus short message about the queen's city podcast network. Hey listeners. I'm here with the brown vaulter schevitz <hes> the king of august is at your title. I got a promotion. Tell us just a serf here. I'm just joined it. So what. What is this thing. 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Charlotte readers podcast is a member of the twin city podcast cast network powered by or carolina for more information go to queen city podcast network dot com all right listeners <hes> <hes> friends and classmates nine hundred seventy nine class davidson college welcome back. We're here with john. Gertie hand spurred watt furred bird and <hes>. We got loose homes here. We're gonna have a second reading now from each of the books that were featuring today. The first reading is going to be from liz. It's <hes> this poem. It's entitled cook the nitrous seaman and liz before we start this <hes> tall spec captain cook well. I've made this story sound pretty grim and sad ad but actually captain cook did have a sense of humor <hes> and <hes> he was a guy who had come up from from nothing the son of a laborer unlike a lot of naval officers <hes> he was not an aristocrat <hes> but here's his take on working with ordinary sailors and this this steals liberally from his journals the unburied diet of have a long sea voyage salt beef salt pork dry bread full of vermin. That taste is strong as mustard. If unrelieved by fresh rush food allows scurvy a footing in the ship this i propose to prevent by means of sauerkraut portable soup and malt a decoction of the ladder given by the surgeon to any man with the least symptom the sauerkraut the minute i would not eat and i made no attempt to compel them. Merely had it sir to the officers daily letting the men take as much as they pleased or none at all in a week. I had to ration it. Such are the temperatures and dispositions of semen. Give them anything new. Although it'd be ever so much for their good nee murmur maligned the inventor her grumble refuse but the moment they see their superior said a value upon it it becomes the finest stuff in the world and the inventor a damned hamdan honest fellow so less the thing that i found interesting about this one of the things about this was that <hes> several alonzo's come directly from the journals of joseph banks and from captain cook himself and these journals are also almost lost because that ship of i think was damaged on the it came very very close to going down on the great barrier reef austrailia so how much truth was employed in this work and how much require the use of your imagination well. There's nothing in here that <hes> contrary to known facts <hes>. I tried to fill in some gaps. I tried to to imagine more about how some of these people felt <hes> because the journals most of them tend to be pretty matter of fact because they were they they. They knew they were going to be published. These are not really private diaries so as a true that sailors <hes> that day in time with the driver full of vermin. Oh yeah turn their nose up. It's our crowd. Yes very much so really travel. So let's hands for second hands. We got another rating which you wouldn't necessarily expect a medical thriller with people running for their lives and bad guys and all this kind of stuff. You're going to bring a little bit of romance thing in here. I sure these are two people who knew each other at another time and i'll just pick it up. Celeste flattened a garlic clove with the flat base of a carving knife than added it to the onion tomatoes simmering in butter and white wine. There was a pound of boiled shrimp heaping in a mixing bowl. The steam still rising. She opened the refrigerator and pour glass of pinot griego for each of them. Wash up then pull peel the shrimp. If you remember how that is jack said it's been a long time but not that long ago she looked at him in for a moment her is caught his as they want head it was only a moment but it had depth and resonance a moment with tender meaning that he could feel because he'd wants love this woman he wanted to ask her now. Ask her what had happened between them why she left her words last night had been recurring ever since he said them. It wasn't my idea to leave but all he could do is look at her seles said when i saw you in the parking parking lot down and duval it was like no time had passed. I knew we'd see each other someday some place. I thought you were mad at man. I don't blame you you. You deserve better. I just wish we could start over and maybe play that scene again. He wanted to reach out to feel the warmth to for skin. Maybe that could happen. She paused looked at him. Maybe it could. He took an everything about her face. Light rain is every subtle movement as she watched him watching her. I thought about you wondering how you were. She looked away flipping the fillets before they ready. Jack move next to her for months. After you left people would bring up your name and just pretend to be embarrassed. It seemed like they did it just to see high react or what i'd say. His voice felt like it was about to crack but i didn't want to answer i. I wanted to know where you were. Why'd you left. It was killing me inside but they just wanted something to talk talk about so i didn't say anything. He tapped his hand on the counters. Listen to me. I'm not even making sense. She smiled and said you sound just fine where did go his voice was almost pleading the words having slipped out faster than hoped so had you've got you've got a relationship here but but you also bring something into the book which i think is often overlooked you try and hit all the five senses right before this scene a meals being prepared. We see the garlic clothe. The onion tomato tomato simmering in white wine sauce boiled shrimp heaped in a mixing bowl with steam still rising. So how important is it in writing a book to touch more than just the sense of sight. I think it adds a lot and <hes> you know one of the hardest things that was one of the hardest things made learn was why i like like certain books i would read books and underlying when is the moment i love this character wounded. I follow him and it still was ethereal and i had a teacher who who told me one time. What's important is what you leave out and even though i don't think this what i just read is necessarily an example of that that he he said something to be that answered a question and that was why why visualized certain books well what i've visualized seen in relationship and and he answered a question and we had a discussion he said that's it and it was that you lead people to let their imagination grow into what you've written and you leave out the important little detail that they're gonna add and then they take possession of it and that's easily said it's easy to do a ham handed way but knowing what to leave out <hes> was an important lesson for me and some of that is you lead up to it i think with engaging senses and then back away and hopefully the reader has <hes> someone listening has put their own. Take on it by you leading them there and then backing away and let them come into it. We'll speak an assessors of this this worse. That's keeping an open mind which is something. That's not gun too often time john listen. Let's move yours because you've got middle rate. It's kind of a call to action sort of a we talk about. The point of the book is to have a serious debate. Can you pick it up there. Yeah well essentially you. You asked earlier about sort of the reasons for writing this or my perspective on. It and you know i did because i have. I've spent a life life spent in both in both arenas both areas <hes> so anyway. I started working on this house kind of going slow. I was just sort of gathering my thoughts on it and <hes> and then and then then all the stuff about the relegations about brain trauma started to come out regarding all the research and all that stuff came to light and it really added added a sense of urgency <hes> to you know you need to get this done you need to because it's timely and important so <hes> pick up. You know what why that's why that is pointed. Us book is to spur and better inform that debate it's to provide context insight and information to help education community leaders just as well as parents approached these questions with a clearer understanding of the educational society playing field when extracurricular funding priorities and decisions consider cetera open and honest debate of these issues is critical because we live in an age when school simply do not have the resources necessary provide unlimited extracurricular activities. He's as a result. We must make choices. Regarding the most effective way to invest are increasingly limited educational resources but all of this context and dialogue is of no. I know us without the courage and commitment to go where the logic truth and data take us for example. If during the process we find that either of these activities is successfully meeting. Its educational purposes. Will we have the vision to invest more heavily in it but what if one or the other is not what if it is determined the vestment in one or the other as an activity extracurricular activity brings a greater return on educational dollar invested. What should our school boards do. What should we as parents taxpaying citizens do will we have we have the courage to make what may be very difficult and unpopular decisions despite the fact that some some of the answers we may find maybe uncomfortable or inconvenient we should welcome this discussion and analysis because if we approach honestly the end result will be better better schools serving our children and communities more effectively in the end. Isn't that what we all want and what our nation needs so john what was one almost uncomfortable an inconvenient answers. <hes> the chief found for people who love football people play college football what was one of the most uncomfortable and inconvenient answers well. I mean i mean again. My father was a high school football. Coach also the physics teacher in our school so i had that balance right from the start but as a product of the system. I'm a product of the system. I mean i would not be where i am today without basketball and the opportunity to davidson provided me to play basketball so <hes> it was really bittersweet and a lot of ways because i truly believe in the value and importance of athletics. It's as an educational tool. I mean that's the primary justification we we have for it to be a part of our educational system and i strongly believe for that but i also believe that in many cases and football in particular really really putting the ice cake or the brain trauma stuff is that organized stop lennox elite athletics within our educational institution institution. We've lost perspective on it again. As much as we love that lettuce and god knows i love i owe everything back. Let's <hes> as much as we love athletics. We have to have to love and value you and invest in education more points. One of the things we talk about is the longevity of being able to play music versus football all but i have to say i went to see three dollars night play recently and there might be some brain trauma. Let's look pretty damn yeah but but again one of the primary one of the primary functions our educational system is to teach lifelong learning skills and you. You can do this forever music so i put them through it. I'm reading a little bit a piece of a what's the christmas redemption is the third in in my book and i'm just set up for a second so we got. This is another christmas trial. Each of these trials have to say christmas terrain. A winter's isn't a deposition study to she owns. A toy companies called the tip top toy company. They manufacture the most popular christmas present fifty years. It's the reindeer hubbard but just failing a class action suit at the ball robert greenback. He's applying. Lawyer is questioning her in her deposition. Dad records her lawyer. Are you saying your company is not at fault for the failure the hubbard to fly yes. Can you prove it greenback. I've watched enough courtroom television that the proving part blocks to you. You're an arrogant woman. Aren't we image greenback. Do the slowly one finger at a time. The reindeer hover board failed to fly for seventy five percent of the adults bonnet correct well. That's true for those seventy. Eighty five percent was that there's i don't understand why did not expect you would greenback torino winter with a jobless content. Why was it there fall. They didn't heed the warning. Greenback took doc marcus zip late in front of a witness would amount reading it into the record not at all winter took out a glasses place knows who took the stems over years and then she read warning this product only works for true believers levers classic nor the warning label come down mr green backing figure this out. He picked up the exhibit closely the warning label. What exactly is a true believer. That's the best question you've asked today. She turned if that raker mr edgar. Would you like to tell him. Greenback was impatient. What's she talking about. Record swallowed smile greenback in the at a true believer is an adult who believes in santa claus silence. Just some kind of joking not joking greenback looked back at train winter. Are you telling me this case has something to do. A mock class believe in santa claus train winter setup straight breast and other strands of silver gra here from our left app welcomed them our almost greenberg i so now we're gonna the ryen life segment here. This is part of the book part of the show where kind of explore the ins and outs of writing. I'm gonna start list with you. We're going to do a little either or are you get to pick either or both neither. What's your preference inc panir keyboard pen dictionary spilka dictionary good outline of free flow free flow or you do about to see the light of day or the dark night. When you write by early morning complete quad or background noise reviews quiet royden the first draft revising polishing your work revising using a million times marketing your books or digging a ditch. Give me the ditch anytime i got a couple of these are true false. You probably have karate. Routine is an important part of my writing process true and how does that work well. I find that <hes> when when things are going ast i have periods of time that are uninterrupted where i can get in another character's head and <hes> it's amazing how easy it is to pop that bubble double and i can't just go right back to it but when i get in a routine of writing you just want to keep writing and it it can be a certain time of day i write at night primarily and and <hes> you have learned experiences just easier to get into it if you routinely true false rejection does not bother me thoughts. The getting editoral feedback is fun thoughts writing. The second book is harder than the first trip. Explain that willis all this pressure and i also had a year instead of as much time as i wanted before the first one so i had a contract for a year and that you know when i had three months left left. I had <hes> not everything written but that also. I had a detailed outline. I hated doing what they required it <hes> and some of that was for their p._r. People pull in people who do the covers and all that kind of stuff they don't. They don't really read your novel agency. Get summaries and <hes> it really helped me. Since i was having a hard hard time devoting myself to finishing the book and then suddenly i'm panicked and i had my outline and it just flew and it helped the writing so plot is more important occurred. No trump halts kita. Writing a book is to put your button the cheer right to your finished false i don't. I don't think that's the key that that's that's important to do it. That's that's what i think everybody who's successful people. I know who've been really kind of made you very successful. Say it's just hard for them to get it done so they have to do that. But <hes> you add a lot more to it than just riding back to the character per second tease that out because there's always a plot with there's a character and there's two thanks to a book. One is the plot of small surface. Then has always some hidden meaning something something that has not there. The book is missing a foundation right. Some people call it the arca book what keeps it going and why why do you like if the character you know i i <hes> had some writers that have finished a book and i said i would follow that guy or that girl in any story you know i it's ideal a deal to find somebody. Who's a character like that but i think one thing this common to people who write is that stories and suggestions are not the problem. I have too many plots in my head. They come all the time and it took me years to realize that's what was going on and i didn't recognize them stories for the longest time and then suddenly i realized is oh. These are novels. They're scenes in a novel that unfold over time to me a long time to realize i just needed to figure out what's steps between the scenes and when that happened happen out really got into it but there's a lot of work to get there and <hes> there's i don't think you can teach people have imagination or appreciate speed and timing in any type of book which you can teach craft and that's some of what you're talking talking about is the understanding ahead of time before you write it that you need you as the rider needs to know some things that may be aren't in the book but the way you ride. It will be informed because you know what that arc is. What the underlying story is so people's actions their their reactions what they do will be consistent with what that stories. That's the wrong with my first book. I didn't understand that so we're gonna move to john john. Since you're sociology major these are like essay questions so you sicher deep thinker. You're really horrible night and <hes> so here's the first question are right but calls it. Does this for me. <hes> i think it's my it's my way of <hes> of giving back of of encouraging urging people to i mean it's it's funny i i had i was involved in my passion. Is education really <hes> involved in again son of a high school football coach music teacher. I mean i'm sorry got physics teacher. My mother worked in the school system. My sister's a teacher and so i went went into college athletics because i believed in athletics powered potential as an educational tool to supplement the educational process so anyway so what is you know i went to the n._c._a._a. Say as s._e._c. involved in athletics but i always thought of as education and then when i you know i i left e._s._e. To be a stay at home parent and then this opportunity to reinvent myself after the kids got older and in the data around as much anymore lifelong musician. I started doing the research on <hes> you know <hes> you know what's going on in our schools turned cuts cuts and music programs but at the same time you're cutting cutting programs here at the same time. The research is just mounting every day but how effective it is as an educational tool right so it's like so anyway so i went also this is started a nonprofit and music related nonprofit and but people would ask me what what do you mean athletics and now you're doing music the difference like now you're riding back to the question right right well but the but the point is it's the same thing to me. It's about to me. It's about education. That's my passion to get people to think about how we can improve our educational system and i was gonna ask you a question. What are the activities interfere with your writing but i think i know that you use. He's a passion. You've got what you're doing with us. Foundation the to work with but funniest issed or worst or best experiences rider cheer. I'd have to think about that that would be. I would prefer probably yes or no answer on yes or no no questions. Come on you're supposed to these bs or something about this the first time i felt like i could call myself. A writer. Was this when i guess maybe when my first book was published guys. We got five minutes. We got three race last about minute each. We're going to do that and we're gonna wrap this up. We're going to start off with hands this time we don't. I'm just telling you so much doc. You heard about the young girl at the beginning emergency room well now. She's gone out. Jack didn't know where she is and so bad guys are after asking you pick it up and they've taken her and the hold of a shrimp trawler he climbed the metal ladder than closed one side of the metal doors on the roof of the fish hold. All you gotta do is tell us where you stash those papers. He close the door and the cavity became dark but she could easily. Here's voice through the steal a little time breezing your ass off may help you change your mind nine alone. Shannon tried her best wiper hair. Face skin burns where they'd ripped tape. She called on her side trying to conserve or body heat. They could do all i wanted but she wasn't about to tell. Those papers were now. She could prove what they've done to her. Father's and others like him and all those men ruined just for the sake of money nothing and no one was gonna stop her. There were about a half mile and the gulf when wayne came to the wheel house and said what if that bitch told him who said ju you know that dr who took her to the motel jewel looked at him but his dull expression didn't change he lit a cigarette and through the match into the gulf after a couple of deep drag. She said maybe that's why i tried todd or like he did. He picked up his ship to shore radio handset then thought better of it since everyone in the fleetwood here. I'll make the call when we get into tonight even if he don't know he's seen as we gotta do something about that right so <hes> john about leaving us with your final words on the topic. Ah last two paragraphs of the book to meet the increasingly complex challenges of the twenty first century we must develop more populous a corresponding increase in creativity the most effective effective tools and our educational community ourselves to teach creativity music. We no longer live an industrial economy that required workers to be physically fit it unquestionably obedient and able to methodically perform the manual tasks required for an assembly line while football may have been a wise educational investment in early early nineteen hundreds continuing to invest in an activity best suited to prepare workers for a world economy that world economy that no longer exists is his misguided music is far better educational investment than football and providing the skills necessary to succeed in the inter related global information based creative economy me and world community of today in the future. It's really that simple in the end. It comes down to whether we as educational community leaders continued to fund an activity that scrambles brains and is better suited to prepare children for an industrial economy that is long gone or investment in activity that strengthens and builds brain capacity and brain function and that is perfectly suited to prepare our children to more effectively meet the challenges of the twenty-first century all right listen. You got a foul. A poem here called approach burke sure there with us yeah this is from the ship <hes> after months ac- a land uneven as a piece of crumpled paper precipitous heights and dark valley's a beautiful verger even to the tops of the highest peaks closing in they crowded the deck to stare air into unfathomable depths a heaven of hughes remembered heard off meadow shamrock modeled apple subtle mawson awesome tender peas fairy-tale emerald chinese jade mallard peacock wind whistled barley darkest you of cemetery metairie lanes they plunged they drowned in plush abundance earth born wealth as they had not yet praised god drowned in the slippery bilious shades of the sea so obvious and listeners being found out <hes> about john gerdes writing john kirti dot com this whole elizabeth homes poet dot com hands wofford at w. h. Y. dot com after this presentation today. We're going to the ice house. They have beer there so we're going to. They're going to be with counselors you. 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#244 Dennis Muren

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#244 Dennis Muren

"This is David McCallum. And you're listening to give God treats, amazing colossal podcast. The next Gilbert ten francs, colossal obsessions. I mean, I'm sure you, you know, there's so many of these stories I used to hear like on the Murph worth can show, whatever. And and I also they were bullshit stories until you experience them, right? And like one of them is the hey, didn't you use the b? Oh, yeah. Which I'm getting now this thing year and a half, you still hosted HQ? Do you still use to be? I'm still doing it. I gotta do it tonight. Sixty. But until you that's what how fast our society moose now. I'm a nostalgic. Actor ready? I was co headlining with Dave Cooley at a college game. He you know, he. Possess cheapest confess to give. Gilbert, and Frank's amazing colossal obsessions. Every Thursday only Stitcher premium. Hi, ditches, Gilbert Godfrey niche, this Gilbert Godfrey to mazing colossal podcasts. I'm here with my co host Frank tanto Padre, and where once again recording with our engineer Frankford Orosa, and our guest this week is EMMY and Oscar winning visual fakes and special paints hardest and the senior visit visual of pick supervisor and creative director of industrial light and magic you may appeared of treaty base. Spans list of critics a staggering and overwhelming. But what the hell will take your crack headache? Star wars. The Empire Strikes fact close encounters of the third time raiders of the lost start e t the extraterrestrial willow the abyss. Terminator two judgment day. Wore out, the world's and Jurassic Park. Just ten name of view among his many achievements was spearheading, I l M's move from models and miniatures to see GI for Terminator two and helping to usher in brand new age of computer generated imagery with. C g dinosaurs Jurassic Park. He's been nominated for. Vip teen out kademi awards winning nine of them. Giving him the most Oscars of any living filmmaker he's also been honored with a lifetime achievement award by his peers in visual fixes science, and he's one of only story special effects artists. Doura see by star on the Hollywood walk up page. Joining STAN Winston and his long time friend and hero Ray, Harry house. It. Please welcome to the show. One of the most significant figures in twentieth century cinema and believe it or not. Planes. He enjoys they Sperry pied guys. The legendary Dennis Muren. Hey, thank you so much who's that? Yes. Yes. Dennis. It's actually true. You listen to the show. I listen to the show. Yes. I've heard I probably at least three quarters or more of shows. How jeez where it's not easier way. Your numbers are way up there. Now, we're thrilled. Believe it was true. We talk. I I'm came across equinoxes on TV. And and at first I thought, well, this is gonna be some awful crime. And I'll watch five minutes of it. And I wound up watching the I it's a fun movie. How did that come about? Well, it came about because I had some time between my freshman year and sophomore year in college summer, right? And I said, let's make a movie was like Mickey Rooney and Judy Garland. Literally that was and I borrowed the money for my grandfather who put away some money for college for like if I could get into UC USC, and I couldn't get into it because of my grades. I took the thirty five hundred dollars and with two or three or four friends made that movie all in sixteen millimeter. And this is started in nineteen sixty five finish, the sixty seven and full of a special effects. It was just a way of getting. Affects out there because I was sort of tired of just neighborhood kids and friends and people in school looking at him. I said I want everybody to see this work. So what do you do you just make a movie, and it wasn't very good? But it was okay. And had some good stuff. And I told a couple years later to Jack Harris who had done the blob and for demand all and he bought it and put another like forty thousand dollars into it, which is eight times at what I put into it or something fixed the sound up shot some new scenes, and that's the version you saw that in the theater, you got three fans of that movie right here. I'm going to introduce the third the third one to the gentleman sitting to my right has done this podcast before Michael Juki knows here. Hey, dennis. How are you fine? Fine. Only one Oscar just once I know the man has nine I know, I know I know way he's got he can start a bowling alley which is. We see behind. You wanna see those behind you? Dennis. On the shelf. You know? No, no. He's a bunch of stuff there. But there's one Oscar up there and one c3 peo-. Okay. Vader's and other things I've got a rabbit. Most of the Oscars are like all over the place the monster for me Quin hawks up there. I not up there. It's on the floor. I can get it. You want to see it, really? We insist you actually have it. Okay. Hold on. Dennis is fetching the monster from equinoxes. Oh, I see a copy of it over there on the shelf out from twenty days from twenty thousand fathoms on the shelf. This is fantastic. This is to go. Why aren't we doing this and Dennis's living room? Let's go look at all my God. He's holding it out by fantastic. Are we visual medium in that the other? What about there was that monster that was like this one on this shelf over there right behind your head? Wait a minute. He just put his phones back on say it again Gill here. What this one right behind you right behind you, which one? Yeah. Okay. Let me see if we can get a clear view of this. Oh that one that one. It's like kind of greenish on the left one on the far left. Yeah. Isn't that the with empts the that's was a gift from Ray hairy house? And that's a. Version that he did of the Email from twenty Mazda earth. He made those, and I've I've been lucky enough to have one of them. Can I ask you something about the equinoxes monster? There have an armature in it. Does. And what was it? Doc it or wire what was it? Yeah. There's wire in the wings the bodies all armature. Wow. And you made that at the time. No, my friend, my friend. Dave Allen me. It was a couple years older than very impressive. I grew up on the on the stop action and it still wear my heart. Is this something about stop action? I remember watching a show with they had guest on and somebody was talking about the new CG, I fix and the guy said, oh, you know, when you look back on those old stop action. All you could think is thank God, facetious GI and that pissed me off. Good. We because. He was like that that to me. It was still it still magical. The look it's action. Well, and also, you know, what it is. You can sense. There's an artist behind trying to make this work. Sure. And struggling you can just field the performance that they're trying to do with this hard old-fashioned way of doing things. And you you appreciate it and computer graphics. You can't tell how it's done so slick and Mathematica looking was quotes him on set on this show that Roger Ebert? He said that. CGI looks real. But feels phony stop action looks phony, but feels real. Feels very emotional the whole point of it's emotion any movie anything you're doing a performer. You wanna get emotion from the audience, and there's hardly any emotion when you're looking at, you know, some sort of some something it's too sparse CG's too. Sparse and simplified, although I love it. Because if you do it, right, but it's hard to do it really rights. Specially with the demands now it it was necessary because the audiences did not really by the old style. And I don't just mean stop ocean. I mean, all the oil sil- affects it was really harder and harder to get the stuff to look real. But CG is because anybody can kind of do it. You know, you can go to any computer store by the stuff by the download the materials off the internet by a book or training program. Do it yourself. It's it's open to so many more people being able to do it that it's all over the place. But that doesn't mean it's all good. It's it's never the tool. It's how you're using it. Yes. S? It's and you certainly know how to use it for God's sakes. Yeah. I mean, it's ridiculous. I remember being hit and being completely disappointed after seeing being raised on Harry house. And then we get to those films where they put the prosthetics on the lizards and had them running around. Remember that worse. Yes. I remember how this appointed. As a paid off. And I'm waiting for some stop action dinosaurs. And I see like, you know, fucking one is with plastic horns on. Concert a Seattle. It's being pushed into the scene to doesn't want to go. They said make matters worse. They had like people with prod sweat was stabbing burning them and stuff. Tied together. And look like they're fighting on the ground terrible. Yeah. Well, we're all we're all Harry housing kids here. And obviously, you you just mentioned him Dennis mentioned that he had a gift and he's an important person in your life. Dennis. Yeah. He was I was also a big fan of all affects a loved the stuff that John Fulton did with bridges the Tokar re. And and the ten command not so much ten commandments actually. But I like the rain's ranch poor disaster. The tornado in the wizard of Oz. I was ineffective fan, and I still am. And you know, again, it's the emotion. You could look at something. You can see Harry as film and say, oh my gosh. You know, I feel something when I'm looking at it. Then you look at your at your Twentieth Century, Fox loss world movie where you have lizards and you say, I'm not feeling anything. Now, I care about that interesting. I heard about with that remake of lost world that with Claude rains in it. That they had asked Willis O'Brien who was the creator King Kong to be part of it. He was very excited thinking he'd be creating heat up more money to work with and Cree. And then they just used his name through in fucking lizards. Isn't that sad? Imagine how excited he probably got there for a while to. Yes. So unfortunate 'cause he thought he could use his talent for that. But with more money behind it. Yep. But that's that's show biz and run Allen. He's made, you know, some real fun movies. But he was always tied on the dollar the story of mankind and had the bright idea to separate the Marx brothers. Never forgive them for. All in separate seat. Yes. That was in. Oh, my fan of old, and I was reading about you Dennis your fan of the thief of Baghdad, and and and I guess what the disaster movies of the day were and just an event movies. They weren't called tentpole movies than they were. But they were like these you like big movies. Yeah. I always I always did. And I never ever thought it'd be working on them. So it my whole career has been like where the heck did this come from? Because I was a we've been doing this. I was like six or seven years old with a still camera. And then I got a movie camera when I was ten and I had plastic dinosaurs. You could buy a hobby shop, and I built a toll toy boat or an airplane and blowing up, of course, everybody did that. But I do two or three times and have a movie camera on it, you know, and then and then week later, you'd see the film he got back from the cameras sewer was Rick Baker with signing. Rick may. Rick together. No, I got the no Rick later. Okay. When I was about twenty or so I'm talking about back when I was, you know. Okay. L problem. I know eight eight eight. Yeah. If if computerization is stunned badly, a just looks too, shiny and glossy. And it's like I mean what I love about stop action. Is you could put your hand into the screen and touch the thing. That's their. That's exactly right. You can feel it. It's not. It's real people. You can do that. Sometimes CG if you get it. Right. But a lot of people don't see it. I think we've got a lot of a lot of towel that computer graphic people around now, but they haven't had a chance to really learn the aesthetics. They just you know, the technical they're higher yet. And you work on games, which don't have to be photo. Real you work on commercials before real you get into the age, you know, the realm of feature films. They really have not ever had any classes that I know of I've talked to schools about doing this classes about what reality looks like on movie film or undid movie digital interest, and the people don't know, they know what they think they know. But it's not enough. You can you can learn more the more you look at something the more you learn and you realize I just scratching the surface of all this. We're gonna I was gonna say it's also about bringing Perry house, and again, the idea that he put character into those figures there was like they would stop in scratch their leg or they would do things that we all would do. So it just felt like a real creature walking across that screen. It wasn't mindless nothing. He did was mindless. That's what I was a also a performing creature was opposed to that lizard from the loss world xactly where you know. There was just the two hot under the lights and thing I just want to go to sleep in. How old were you? When you decided to look up in the phone book and place, a call Dennis twelve or thirteen. He lived in Malibu was in Lakhan Yadav near Pasadena. So he was in the phone book, and I managed to get over and see him. I mom drove me two hours across town. And he was the nicest guy with his wife and all and invited me in. But you know, he never talked about how he didn't think. He would I don't even know if he talked about using rear projection. So interesting, I knew from the people. I talked to all how is but he was really secretive and. You know, he's a magician. He always just wanted to sort of keep his secrets as long as he could. He didn't wanna eight him on reveal anything. And he he was an apprentice of Willis O'Brien wasn't. Yeah. Correct. Yeah. He was he they they were, you know, rate took his early early dinosaur films that he'd done to Willis in like middle nineteen forty five or six just went Lovie was starting up with lost with Joe young and hired him onto Joe young right away. So he he saw something in that, you know. And I don't think there was anybody other than Ray that was doing it. You know, there is obese thirty years older forty years. And then I everything I've heard Ray was kind of on his own. I mean, he knew other fans of scifi Graham berry and for yakim, but I don't know of any other people that he was actually doing his home movies with same with Peter Jackson. You look at Peter Jackson's home movies ever seen those early ones where he never put the puppets into him. It's always just like one person. You know, it's it's him shoot. It and then somebody somebody else out there that's performing to the creature was never in there. And I think rainbows the same thing. And I was kind of lucky being later on that I have four five friends that love this. And we would gather around and show each other are affecting quences all during the late fifties and sixties so we weren't really working on a Roan. We encourage none of us are in the business, but we weren't courage in each other. And you had to figure out how to do all this on your own to whether any publications available when I was a kid. It was I sin effects and things like that affects Siniphen tastic affects. And but for when you were doing it. What were you? How are you figuring this out? You know, you just learn on your own you see enough in the movies. A lot of the stuff you can just look at it and tell that's a model in a in a toy in bathtub. It looks like, you know, it's actually some huge tank Warner Brothers. But looks like a toy and you just see enough of that stuff. And you say why? No, that's not the right way to do it or whatever I didn't know why they did a one way or another. I understand now because. Usually economics. But also at some people don't have a vision. And they're not really tried entertain. They're telling a story. So I will I need to have, you know, World War Two battleship go from you know, in the right of the screen across it left because it's about to shoot a tornado. Okay. So they shoot that. As like, a a wide view. Somebody else gets in there and says, no, it's dramatic. It's the power. It's about to shoot. This. I want to see the waves splashing up front of the ship. You know, and you shoot it from another angle will a lot of people don't know the difference. And you know. No, one is emotional and one is telling the story, but in any director once every shot to tell the story, and it's much more important to be able to do that. But you can really see it in the old films. And and I've made a point of always trying to figure out why I like something why like genie and thief, Baghdad and not the giant cyclops and Ulysses or something like that. Oh, you're a kid to Mike. I all I did was make stop motion films growing up. That's telling me that of them tons of them. I mean, we could sit here for hours when Harry housing kid. Are you kidding me? And then of course, when you started working and doing your thing, I was around thirteen or fourteen when ET came out, and then I became obsessed, and I can I bring it up to my loot favorite things that I have ever seen has been the shot. AT is coming up over the hill. He's walking up, and he sees the valley all the lights in the valley there that to me was one of the most magical things I have ever seen in my life and to this day when I'm on the four oh five and I Chris at the top of the four oh five into the valley. I think that and I want you to tell me tell me everything you can't about that shot. Well, won't me too. Yeah. Yeah. Sure. I thought of course, less shooter for real. So we go out there. And this is back in sixty or eighty one film. Stocks aren't bright enough to do it. But I really wanted to do it. And we tried it then and then we can put the head to be walking away in that shot. I think if that's the one you're thinking of just after he sees it seem walking away. Yep. We can never get the light to do it into being a model, and we didn't have much money on film, and I made this tiny little model about four feet square. And we just did it, you know, with the that's where the trees, and the background was a paint like a piece of masonite or glass painted with little holes in there with lights behind it. And we had a little tiny e t made about two inches of no more than that five inches tall that somebody was just moving down there shooting a little slow motion. But you would've Cam to boom, they're very small squint the lights twinkling though in and they were very much like it would with the atmosphere. So how how did you how did you have to? Member either. It was like really simple, and we had a bunch of like hanging string pieces of film or something with a little fan on it and chewing slow motion. I mean, it was real simple. So that's entered work because it was so powerful, you know. And then I also really have felt the cameraman part of me thinks that every moment should be like perfect like you're there Stevens there with the cast crew the camera manure to shoot and suddenly everything happens in the moon changes in the and it's beautiful. And that's when you shoot. So that's what I try to do is come up with a better moment. Like a magical moment for most of the stuff. I do. Well, you did. And that's one of those, you know, and it's the bright twinkly sorta here here's something when they don't do stuff, right, which special effects is sometimes when you watch him movie, it looks like the movie stops, and it's like, ladies and gentlemen, special effects. Doesn't go. It does to me. That's the organic seamless part of the story. Oh, I know, you know, why that is because they have a story board. So they save you want this. You know, again, we want this ship this World War Two battleship to go from the right across the left the show these about to shoot the tornado we have to show his pursuing, and that's all the the crew may be as given. Okay. And they just shoot it. But the story board artist may not know what he's trying to do. So they're not thinking as a director. There are things filmmaker that real in. That's so that happens all the time. It also used the happen because you couldn't really move the camera very often for some affects you had to keep it still. So you shoot a lot of different elements put them together. And that's one of the reasons for that sort of static feel that you're talking about. I just wonder that always drove me crazy. Did you know crazy doing that? The Bruins the whole film. Yeah. Changed like the movie is at a standstill. Right. And that's why the sequence in temple of doom works. So amazingly. Well with the mine cars because it keeps moving the Cam. Moving your alongside, and you are cutting back and forth through that entire same between practical set for and what you did. And if you could just again, I'm going to ask you to break one thing down a little bit. And at what point did you realize you'd have to make a new camera or modify a thirty five millimeter camera in order to get those shots on the mind. Car-chase will I been over in England I saw him shooting. The the big loop that circle there was probably one hundred feet around that they could shoot this car going in with the actors in it and everything and we're just thinking, okay. How long would a shot be when you're gonna wider view and and needed to be like seven seconds, eight seconds. You want something like that to really feel the energy, and you figure out how big a scale you're going to build something. And then how long how long, you know? The smallest camera. You could find everything it was too expensive at the do it as a model, and we didn't have space. I limb we we were really busy at that time on a lot of projects. And there was a back. Back building we had there was probably seventy five square. And okay. The only reason that we can't get a seven second shot in a seventy five foot run is that the cameras too big which was like ten inches wide. And I said, well, that's silly. Why can't we just do with smaller camera? We solve it. And I just because we had a lot of Nikon's we'd been using for Linux shots up and everything I said, maybe we can do with an icon and see why couldn't we just have to rip off the back and put a take a movement. They call him from the movie motion camera put it on the back of that and do at one frame to time. And I got friend of mine here, my Callister engineered the whole thing. And and we did it in a made a huge difference. And it meant it meant that the the walls of the cave didn't have to be concrete ring that we could do with a Luma foil. So you just emissions stop motion. Right. But you just crinkle the set around from behind till it looks good. And you spray the Colorado and shoot it. And that's it sounds simple task. But it love it. It's one of those things that you know, there's a lot of those, you know, being boxed in and having a problem, or is it to a real advantage because then you learn things, and there's a reason why you're you were in the first place to try to solve that in. And I learned something on. On Empire Strikes Back that I've never forgotten. It was a shot flying over at the beginning of the film flying over Hof, and which the ice planet, and you kind of look down, and you see a Tonton and it's running along down there. And it's like, you just think of it. Well, that's that. Okay. Great. It's it's lucre. I don't know if it's lucre Han running after. Looking for the other one or whatever and the way that Sartre started was Georgia's walked in right near the end of the show and show me this background plate from helicopter where you pushing in over the ice. He'll about hundred feet in the air and the cameras tilts down to the icefield. There's nothing there. And he said can you put a Tonton in here with the guy running on it? And I looked at and this is pre computers, right? No. There's no way with all those camera movements that you can do it and get a stop motion character in there. There's no way, and he said just think about it think about it. Okay. And he walked out and within fifteen minutes figured it out. That's fantastic. And I just learned the power of not giving up and thinking about there's usually some way to put pieces together to get something that's going to work was that up, and it it was awfully printed. But the trick was getting the Tonton the perspective on Taunton to be correct. One to lock it to the ground. So like it was running on the ground and then getting. Slightly bigger as you move in. Then as you're supposedly over looking down on your now looking down at its head because you're like looking down. Then how did you do it that you just have to break it down frame by frame and match. No. It's the rig was always done frame by frame. But it's real there's some talk about it. But it, but it's the motion was done an animation stand and the Tonton was being held on a rotator. So he could rotate from looking at in profile to to looking down at the top. And it's, you know, the animated just push in to get closer to it. And we plotted it essentially the same way they used to do all those all the Tom and Jerry cartoons with Gene, Kelly and everything that was all hard work on animation stand. I just did it in three D space instead of in to space, but you know, it it took a leap of faith. And all it took the challenge to do it, and knowing that that shot was better than if I said, let's just do it as a big. Model and it'll be fine. No. Because it's better if it's real so I took the time to think about it. I want to see a question about the problem solving. And this is something we asked you Mike when you were on the show you were trying to solve the problem of that specific piece of music for up. And you said it finally came to you in the shower. Yes, it did. Dennis. Are you just sitting when you need to solve a problem like that you just sitting at the computer and say and just to do you have to walk away? Do you have to go for a walk? You have to do some kind of other exercise. I mean, how does it happen that say, that's it? You're Eka there. It can be both. There can be the Rica moments. But often it's there when you're just trying to figure it out at the moment. But you know, if you can't figure it out you're still are thinking about it. Your subconscious is really working. I mean, that's the that's the reason all of us. I think are alive I'm fascinated with this keeps going there was a special of fact that hustle people for years. He was finally revealed how they did it. But that was I mean, I always love transformation scenes that was like and there too. I knew how they did it. But I love watching it the old time, and that was the transformation scene in Frederick marches. Jekyll and Hyde. Can you explain how did that? Yeah. That that film was in black and white and what they did was they put it was red makeup. I believe on him and look at it through a red filter. You wouldn't see the makeup, and it was like under the eyes and stuff like that to make them. Look, really scary. And then they slid the Ray at filter that actually went from red to blue and actually disl- it it along transparence littered along or they change the color on the lights. So that when you see him in blue light all that red makeup goes black at that time because it's the opposite. So there was no cuts. No, Trey no lap, dissolves know, anything like that. But it only worked in black and white. But it was really great. They really job on it. Hey, go Gill. Yeah. Yeah. And by the way, we're talking to dentists before we turn the mic on. He's impressed that you managed to book Shanahan Gallo on the show Spanish speaking of Phil. You know, she is explained to Mike. Yeah. I was crazy about I kept saying that was the one I wanted Janet. Yes. I remember gosta Franken Sheild actor and goes to Frankenstein with with with Cheney junior Cheney junior and Bela Lugosi, what other shows going to these people Dennis I ask you. That's right. I nobody. Nobody angle cheat cheat thought nobody she goes. No one's going to know who I thought we were crazy. And I said on holy me. The people who listen to this show your bigger than Julia Roberts. I know you guys know who moved across the street from me when I was fourteen years old. Tell us Morris Ancram. Wow. Wow. Colonel fielding. I don't know how many kernels and and scientists he played in those movies in the fifties. And he was the judge on Perry Mason, but he's in a lot of Harry, films, and Burke, Gordon movies, and every Gordon still with us, and my mom, call me said, you won't you won't believe who moved across the street, and I met him. I was just shocked there. He wasn't person. I mean lived we lived in in Yatta, which is only a half hour away. We might as well been living on the moon, and as far as who you ever see in the business. You know, you have two kids that really really nice. Yeah. You have a fondness for these obscure character actors that we talk about on this show, you know, a little bit carriers, but also the principles and the directors and the production and how it's the package how it all came together and got done, and you know, the problems they had to solve. Here's some love that here's some trivia about equinoxes as it relates to our show, if I hope I have this, right? That one of the cameramen on equinoxes was Begley junior true. That's really Jack Harris version the I was only out there on the only shot for two weeks on his version. Mine was two years, but on his and I just saw out there. I didn't even meet him. But he was tall right in and. No. I remember hearing and Bakley junior. Oh, wow. Yeah. Turns into a terrific comedian a connection to this podcast. And this is also interested, Michael. And I were talking before somebody else who turns up an equinox is the legendary Forrest Ackerman, right? Yeah. He was a friend. Yeah. He was a friend of mine and Mark McGhee who wrote the script and Dave Allen who helped me with the effects so key used to open his house up. And and we could come by once we could drive we could come by and meet people on like Sundays mansion see Raihan, I've been there. I did that I was lucky enough to to do that a couple of. I I was there Twi. Oh, great. Yeah. And I heard as he he was a little too trusting of people with very. Like, he had the Jain actual dinosaurs. From the original, King, Kong and stuff. You can't and people just slip it onto their coats and leave with it everything. Oh, were you. I remember. I haven't seen them in the in the sixties the early sixties and between like, you know, sixty two or sixty three and sixty five or sixty six I think his collection of still photos. I think he'd lost their sin stolen, like a third of them were gone that said people would just open the he'd opened his filing cabinets to incredible photos from these movies, and they just people with take him, you know, so later on they just continued that, you know, at the Kong's stuff, and so much do I trust thing. Do I have this at all, right? Dennis will you profiled in famous monsters and film, and as a young man, you know, because you, you know, carry David Ankara Morris, his sons, and I put on this a museum in yada of because we didn't we were collecting still so I had photos from bird, Gordon, movies and affects and Frankenstein and all that sort of stuff again wanting people to see him, and and they had a back house, and we put on the walls all these phone. Does and posters and everything giant behemoth and stuff and put a big sign out in front of their house on Saturdays and Sundays for people to come and see this. So then forty I forty about it or wrote them or something I may have been the one of the first time I met for you, actually, and he came out and showed up there and put it in his magazine called it the mirror museum. But it really was. That was not it. It was the. I forget what it was the kademi of horror and science fiction museum. But but the only have two people ever show up. Famous monsters used to do that thing of wanted more fans like, and they'd have a picture of Acadia and one time I think it was wanted more fans like little Stevie Spielberg it could've been yes. Yeah. He did that with a number of friends of mine other too. Yeah. I haven't talked to Steven about it. I don't know about that. That's fascinating. So you were a collector too. Yeah. Yeah. You got to how else are you going to be able to keep those images unless you collect photos them? They're fleeting right there on TV or during the theater, and they're fleeting and they're gone. So there's only way to do it used to shoot eight millimeter off the TV screen eight version of destination moon known that the real the real movie on. Oh, okay. So he's look at it. Again, did you ever try? And I mean, I grew up in New Jersey, I was far away from Hollywood. But you were locking yada. You could go down and tally. What did you ever try and sneak onto the sets or sneak into any of the studios the see kind of what was going on? You know, I couldn't ever you couldn't ever do that. And you're too scared when you're like that young or so, but I had a guy across the street, a friend of mine school. His dad was a was a doctor at one of the studios, and they went in on the weekend and saw some of the set. So I'd Kazin she sets. If I was driving around though. And whenever you saw a big truck in LA was a film truck. Right. So I always stop and watch. And I saw a lot of stuff done. Then I saw all the all the stuff being done at John Marshall high school there in Las feeless. They were always shooting Mr. Novak that series. Yeah. You could just drive by and there they were and I'd walk up to it. And I look and here's the crew. And here's the actors all and and there's the camera. And I always thought if I'm gonna do I wanna be by that camera because where something's going on. Betty is focused, and that's where they're making it worked out. Did you ever think you'd see a big fancy schmancy criterion version of equinoxes? I mean, it's. Real following. You know, it's it's it's right in my collection right between the citizen Kane and grapes of wrath. Gloria. How about close encounters? Can you talk about what about and what was Douglas Trumbull? Like Doug was great really good artists in a really knew how to make things look really super nice and everything and good and completely different setup from Star Wars. They knew how to do things with Star Wars. We were going for speed on close encounters. It was more reflection of Stephen and with Doug in there, of course, which was going for for feeling and emotion, and and, you know, pictorial beauty in and all that stuff which I liked, but I'd never done that before in a big film. So that was a great education for me, and you know, a year and a half to go from one show to another. How did you get on close encounters? How were you hired on that? I was wrapping up Star Wars after a year. And I'd heard from somebody there. Everybody knew each other. I didn't know Doug or anybody down there though. But saying, oh, you can probably get some work down there and close encounters. They're doing something. And it was down to the other side of town is going to be a long drive, and I thought well, I can put up with it. And fortunately, I did and got went down and got the job Sarda four days later. And it turns out what I what they want me to shoot as the mothership. A, wow, I knew nothing about the script hadn't heard anything about it. But you know, what I really really I'm about ready to get out of the business, and I stayed in a little longer. This is before Star Wars, even to to meet the directors before I gave up is this when you were living with your mom with your maxed out credit cards. Oh, yeah. Right. That's it. I'm out of money seven hundred and fifty dollars in debt, and it was a lot of money to me. And so anyway, I wanted to meet George, that's what pushed me to get onto onto get unknown territory. Right with all these people, I don't know on Star Wars and the same thing to to meet Stephen for Trumbull because I didn't know anything about that fancy equipment. You know, you look at equal. That's all I knew would and sticks and glue and paint and everything, but I was so impressed by two thousand and one that I said, I wonder how these guys do this. And I knew kind of sours are going to be done like that and certainly close encounters, but it was scary going into into those shows not having a clues how the equipment worked or anything. But I was pushed the directors. I love those director. What was some of the tricks? You had to learn when you couldn't have the money for a look computerized up. What was some of the tricks have just glueing and folding he made equinoxes? Yes. Yes. With your hands getting a hands hands. Will you know? You don't have to be perfect. If you try to do something perfect. You'll never get it done. But in the context of a film, you can have some pretty funky things for a few frames here and there, and maybe you cut away, right? Or maybe you put something really bright over that part of the scene, or maybe if something falls apart you put a sound effect in something like that. There are all sorts of ways to do it. But. If you're going to have something break apart, you do it out of plaster or something you don't make it out of concrete. You know, their tricks, the mainly if you have a a model or a bridge that's going to collapse, you know, make did this as a kid. You don't do it out of plaster you at a balsa wood. So it can just break in painted to look like a bridge. And all, but you have to know all those tricks because it is all a trick. There's nothing real in it at all. And that's all stuff that you would've thought when CG came in that I would really been kind of obsolete, but I wasn't ops elite because I learned what looked real and with didn't look real. So I can apply that to see, gee, what looked real? But didn't look real beginning siege. Go ahead. No. I was interrupt. You. I've heard you say that you fear technology when you when you when you got into it. Yeah. I was feared it wasn't really interested in it. You know? I mean, they're, you know, I'm interested in the end image. That's all the end image. How how I feel about it when it's over. And I have a way of seeing it in my head the way I'd like it to be at it, always changes. But if it always gets better, which it seems to with good directors that I'm fine with that. Well, you know this show we we love to talk about turning points. Just to go back. You said something about getting out of the business. This is after equinoxes, and then you'd knocked around for weather. I have the chronology this, right? You worked on green giant commercials. And yeah, the cascade of California cascades. Heels berry Doboy. Yeah. I have this. Right. Right. Right. And you were fed up at a certain point. I was out of money and an all in LA was a union town. And you know, what a twenty two year old gonna do house ever gonna get a job? You know? There was no industry per se. There was no special effects industry to go knock on a door. No. There was like. Due titles and stuff like that. Right. And commercials were about the only place that was really just cascade in Hollywood right on Seward there right near where Harold Lloyd's first studio was very famous that lock. Yeah. Which I never I didn't appreciate the time. So but anyway, eventually ready to get you know to get out. And I said, that's it. I'm going to go into inhalation therapy. I'd seen in. Uh-huh. Yeah. The LA times I can learn that he had a brief. And but then, you know. Star wars. I heard about Star Wars, and I just pushed to get on it and manage to find it's people to talk to out there. How did how did Star Wars and Lukas show up on your radar? I was working cascade right before cascade closed up. And we sold the camera. We were like trying to consolidate to somebody who wouldn't say where he was working, but it turned out that he was working on Star Wars. And they were just starting the setup the animation department, and this one animated camera, and then a couple of friends of mine went out and actually heard an inter interview Jordan interview, they interviewed with George about working on the show, and they were stop motion guys, and and overall effects guys really good Jim Danforth and built Hayler and George said, no, no. I don't wanna go this complicated way. I'm gonna I don't mind throwing the models in front of the camera or sliding him now wires or something that's the way we're going to do. We don't have the money. So they went away and I'm friends with him. And they told me about it. And I thought oh, that's just too bad. You know that never gonna work out. And then, of course, everybody else in town said the same sort of thing said it was impossible the people that they. Talked to then they go with John Dykstra who comes up with his revolutionary expensive time consuming idea the change the industry. So they ended up having to go with new technology. You know? I just followed it. Yeah. The rest of the history, and then all that's like sort of obsolete wants computers came in. I mean, nobody talks about that motion control anymore, and how it really changed the industry. Do you think there's going to be a day when his going to you'll just make movies with no actors and no location shots because it could be done by computers. Still composers. No, you know, auto compose to that's all coming. I think it's probably they're based on the color the scene or the let's write my scores. Let's. Phones. Anyway, gill. Yes, it is. And it's happening right now. Right, and they're animated films, but you never gonna you're never gonna get the personality of the people. You're never gonna get the voice flexes ever gonna get the reality. Sure. You can do it that. And that's not the question. The question is should you do it for certain stories. You know, if you're trying to really feel something with people you wanna look at a fake image. Or do you want to look at the real person there, you know, in a relationship that is just breaking your heart. You know, far more than an animated character ever good. What what is this? I don't think I saw an interview with you Dennis. You were talking about the three d design adding three d to two d movies that you saw test with blanquita. Yeah. Yeah. Casa Blanca, Roger rabbit, you tell us about some others film. Wow. No. I forget the company that did it. What were they doing? Exactly. What were they what what were they doing exactly the demo reel they'd put together? And they they had like two minutes scenes. From these big movies. They had added, you know, post to d and they're doing a lot now or three d two two movies. See it all the time now, and it's mostly not done. Right. So it looks pretty bad. See the three d but they did it to sort of sell the industry on it. And it kinda worked and people started doing it. You know, and they were really neat. They did it much better than than most of the conversions are being done now. And I I really enjoy three d if it's done, right? But as far as I'm concerned, nobody's doing it. Right. And it's hard to explain why. But it's I did the two three conversion on the on episode two in three of Star Wars that have never been shown they were going to release them. And they never do. We showed him conventions at all. And they're done this different way where everything's much more spatial. You're like looking at a room. You're not like looking at the figure looking at the whole space and seeing people around, and I thought it was really neat. So, but I wish that Foote's were still around. Because his neat to see those movies, especially CASA wizard of Oz some wizard of Oz. And in three D it's been done since I got to see this. I know you I I am aware. Now, I remember watching Swen I saw house of wax in theater there. Devil. Oh, yes. Wasn't that the double feature one? I director Andrei tools, right? Of course. No Schwartz mysteries of Hollywood made. To is. In Hollywood brilliant, hired of one hydrate. But I wouldn't member those early three d when you'd watch look at a room of the actors, and it's like, you could see depth, but you every figure looked fled. It looked like a pop-up card. It looked like you could go into the room. But that all the actors were cardboard cutouts. Note you mean, that's even true of some of the movies now, they still shot in three d. Yeah, I agree. What do you think that's part of the future? Dennis that. No. I I mean, eventually I, but I don't think so it had a good chance. A lot of the problems. They had in the fifties and sixties they got rid of with digital. So now, there's almost like no excuse because you can see it on the set and they never used to. And but but I don't think people are thinking about it as much and under really is the story that is like a trick. But it's Sorious home portent. Then is what did you work at the shop in van Nuys when you were working Star Wars. So can you tell me a little bit about that? Because that is sort of a pilgrimage that I do once a year usually go drive do drive by where that used to be. I took my kids there. Whenever young I'm like, this is important this building right here too that that's where they blew up the deaths versus likely tell me tell me about that. What was it like? Well, it was it was when I start. Are there was mostly an empty building the model? Shop is going. There was some cameras being started. There was stages were kind of empty going on yet. And it was like a bunch of like hardly anybody over thirty five and most people about thirty or younger a lot of people from Long Beach state from the industrial design group that John Dykstra who was setting it up and gone to school in and hired friends, and France, so not many film people at all. And it didn't really so much matter because it didn't seem like it because George have the ideas and the storyboards are being done and everything. So it was it was fun place. And I didn't quite fit in because I was too serious about it. And they were they were like racing cars motorcycles on the weekends and stuff this really important, and I really respect it. And all but it wasn't who I was. So I I didn't have as much fun because I was too worried about how the hell gonna get this movie done. Right. And we. Have barely did. Responsibilities at that time working on the film. You know, I was called second cameraman Richard Ellen was being doing a lot of the stuff that I was shooting nighttime shooting as much as I could in the daytime the second camera. So I shot a lot of the trench. A lot of the the big battle shots that are the ships flying around. But there was so much that we we, you know, spread them among ourselves, and George was in there couple times a week he'd fly down from northern California say the for two days and go ver all the shots for the rest of the time with us and everything and we got along really well, George idea, I think we'd I think we had a shared vision. That's true of everybody. I've worked with you know, if I've got a shared vision with like, well, it's like Spielberg comes up, and he says, you know, this sky in in a we want this alien creature at the end of AI. I want him to look like that guy from man from planet x and I say, yeah, I know what you mean. People on that set of two hundred knew what he was talking. You. That's all that, you know, that, you know. And it was the same kind of George with someone with Cameron in those. You know, it's it's I enjoy those much more than if the director says do anything you want your the effects guy? I think I know. That's that's too easy. Yeah. I saw I'm giving I watched the video today of Lucas giving you the life achievement award to and he's talking about how you were. You were there in the middle of the night. Just just sitting right? You must have you must be nostalgic for those days. I mean, it was everything was happening around you. It was. Yeah. It was the beginning. You could smell it. You could feel it. Bigger, and and what in the future of special effects? You know, I can't say. It's a secret. Perfect answer. All the answers actually, have it. It's right. I'm just thinking about on this piece of paper. Wrote it down. 'cause I forget it. Now. I'm too old. They can forget it. I know the answer. Who knows the thing is that it's not up to any of us. It's up to the public. That's it only up to the public. What they like what they don't like. That's what drives everything we had Leonard Maltin here we were talking about and we hope see this day either. But we were talking about you know, what we see seems to be the slow demise of movie theaters. Yeah. I heard that show. Yeah. Long with I you know. He he sort of saying you think they're staying on or something. Gave us hope. I mean, the the zig obviously, it's a different situation. LA? I mean here we lost Zik feld, which you know about. No, you're right there theaters for billion dollar movies. But for anything else, it's like may, you know, movies set you'd see in every theatre as now you'll find like one little art house in the city, and you lucky to catch it there since I moved back to New York from LA in two thousand and three I think at least fifteen theaters closed. I'm sure in Manhattan, and that's what fifteen fifty years. Well, the other thing is different. That is the length of time a movie stays in the theater, it's gone before. You know, it, you know, when I was a kid I could see Star Wars fifteen times in six months. It was just still playing throughout that entire time. I miss it. Well, that's why I think that's why the multiplex started. You know, it was all my memory. It was all in defense of this big fear of of cable coming in. And you can see any movie called on demand back then on demand. You see it you'll pay your money. This is the sometime in the nineties or so. I think that's what started multiplexes going. So that you could play these movies all the time. You wouldn't you? Maybe it's on demand. But within an hour, you'll be able to find it your at your Cineplex because it's playing a two or three theaters. That's what kind of started all that. I think Michael has a question for you from a fan. That's he's gonna read it. We just we put this out on social media, and we were bombarded with questions for you. Okay. We'll throw a couple of match if you don't mind. All right. This is Robert Martin Robert Martin. Wow. For me. This will be up there. This will be up there with the Michael Jiechi to- interview. Thank you, Robert very nice looking forward to it. I would please ask to hear some discussion regarding all of his early groundbreaking breaking work with the nineteen sixties, Gerry Anderson supercar. Yeah. Tell us. I didn't work on it. They did it work the internet thinks you did the no, no. I don't think it's where it came from. That's British right. Yeah. Getting me maybe getting mixed with Brian Johnson. We were impressed. I know Robert Martin we're sorry. But there you have it. Okay. How about this one? You you did work on flesh. Gordon? I did. Yes. Oh, excellent. Now, I want. Somebody Peter said to Maria wrote this I just had to share this. How many minutes into the podcast until Gilbert asks Dennis about the source Munster? Flesh, gordon. I'm afraid I wasn't involved with those monsters some of the spaceships enough that would you think of doing a sequel and making more? Venus or no, I don't maybe somebody's done that already. I didn't make a sequel to maybe. Where was this one? This is this is interesting to us. Bob Burns Joe by as assist does. Dennis have memories of working on the Bob Burns Halloween extravaganzas in the seventies. Oh, I see. Oh, we have here. You know, the show. Yeah. Yeah. We talk about it a lot together whenever we see him. You know? And and wish she was still doing them. He's a sweet, man. What was that line is oh of so much fun? You know, it'd be like six or eight people getting together for like four weekends right before Halloween and Babadi in an idea. We're going to do the thing. You know, we're gonna build it corridors like, you're you're in the ice at the Arctic up there and doorways, and we're gonna have a guy telling them be careful, and they'll open the don't open that door, of course. And that's the one that opened up. I wanna give given to have been on there in those movies. You not only saw the movie, but had a live theater show with it. Oh, yeah. That's that's what this was. These were live shows like for two or three minutes long based on movies. We had a war of the worlds one. We did we did some fiction big Goumba creature was on the top of Bob's house. Mad? Love it jecklin, high kind of character with the with the blue and red light changing. And we did a really exciting when it was very hard to do on based on the exorcist where the girl levitated right there in front of your eyes in the in the attic. And then you're sitting there looking at it. But then at the last minute, you know, you get scared and you run out screaming. So it always had a punchline when they were alive. They were hiring gum. Glenn strange. In beta go, see some of those shows I heard I I don't think they were higher, but they become by that's great as as fans. Yeah. That's. I've never seen the. But you know, it's so funny. Walk into Bob's burns house one day. I remember walking in there's doodles Weaver. Wow. What? I didn't know it. Right. Name to bring doodles Weaver. Other for long. On people like that. So these guys would show up, you know, we'd have on the thing show. Some of the actors would show up were in the movie in the original there to go through the show. So I don't know how Bob knew everybody. But he did, you know, what's so great about Bob is there's no I run a there's nothing camp about it at all. Yes. He loves these creatures. Right. Absolutely. And we all do and the ad why? That's why we're still here in the other people have gone onto doing situation comedies or something. I think we'll all the joy this question from Michael Wagner can Dennis recreate the bicycle scene from AT with Gilbert in the basket. I'll do it. It's a challenge. Would love that. Wouldn't be very hard. Either. Sita says Dennis Dennis worked on captain EEO with Michael Jackson. Does he does? He have a story or or a memory. Well, I wasn't ever on the set. Okay. But so, but I knew about it because George was producing it and Francis was directing. So I heard all the stories about it. And it was it was really it was a very hard shoot. It was the most expensive, you know, per minute movie. I think after that time that ever been done in three D And Victoria, Dorado the great cameraman shot and stuff looked. I saw dailies from it. It looked just amazing. But it was a tough because that's sort of thing hadn't been number four and three D or anything spaceships and everything and analyzing how big the spaceship, look and three D coming up in the audience. Sure also things like that we had to deal with sure what why did you say? And I think I know the answer to this too. But will our fans will enjoy hearing. It will why why are t to Terminator two and Jurassic Park high points for you. Because for fifty years up till then or whatever, I don't know if that's numbers, right? I had been struggling not that long forty year sprinkling with trying to make things look real. And there was it was really hard. And I thought reality is well as performance, and you know. You know in the appropriateness for a movie was so important because the fakery can pull you out of it if you know and CG was opportunity something actually could do it real. And and it was so hard to get through the figuring out how to make CG worked. But I think in after the abyss which we only have like seventeen shots that was so successful. I didn't really understand it. I took a year off and I bought a textbook. On computer graphics. I think it was two thousand pages long. And I had no idea what an algorithm was or anything, and I spent about four months and a local coffee shop here reading the thing and came away understanding that it's not magic it. Everything's controllable. It's just that. It seems to me is the people don't know where the controls need to be to make it look real. And that's what I was looking for and hoping for and we've been working on it at I'll in for years with the computer graphic department. So we were kind of ready to make a big step and t to was the really big step, and I came up with ideas for digital composite. So you're no longer saw the map lines around the t to character any composite, and it was just great. And then, but I thought that was going to be the breakthrough film, but nobody to figure out what they were looking at in Jurassic came out, which of course, was the that the knocked everybody off and change everything you talk about seeing with. With an audience what that scene when when Robert Patrick passes through the bars at what is it in the asylum? Yeah. And what I miss about seeing movies with audiences is is the the UN the owing in the eye. You knew people had not or seeing something they had never seen before. Right. And there's a moment. Yeah. There's no flaw. Imagine. If that had been like, you know, much of the stop motion, stop motion animated figure something or in the dark, or you know, I just love that. That's the the magician pardon me. I guess the show that off do you actually do magic? Do you like magic? I did when I was a little kid like ten or twelve and I'm not good enough for it. I'm not I'm not that extrovert now films. Now, another thing that actors will have easier is that they don't need to wear bad to pays or get face. Lifts. I think they've been holed movies where they put hair on actors through computerization, and they they they make them. Look twenty years old. I was looking at Michael Douglas being made younger in the atman Bax mazing. It's pretty good. Yeah. I must say it's pretty damn good. I wanted to hate it. But it looked wonderful the aging. Yeah. Aging. Will you look at some of the credits, and and one of the big companies that does that work. They they got the second highest affects credit or not a big recent movie, and they just do the aging, and you look at and say who was it. Do they make look ten or twenty years younger? You know, they never say never say who you're what you're doing and fell never had to do that crappy old age makeup. I put the vessel lean on the lens. It soft. Yeah. Yeah. But you go back and you look at some of that old age makeup. You look at dick Smits work, oh on on Brando and and Dustin Hoffman for a little bit. And and. It holds up. They the exorcist and the exorcist because I heard like he max von Sydow is like forty when he did that. Yeah. After you forget, what brand over do you look like, but you look at any of those scenes now where he's in the makeup chair whether applying it you just can't believe it's the same guy. That's in that movie. The godfather. Brand was in his forties. When he did that. All right. Let's get to something fun you playing Nazi. Was my dream for our listeners that don't know. That's that's dentist behind the life magazine. I know that was the funniest thing. Original rated Stephen needed to get this other shot showing somebody was tailing Harrison in the in the Tri motor airplane. Go the point being the story. And they were I don't know how we're got up at someone looked at me and said, you're the one. We're gonna you got a part in the movie. What what? Okay. So we didn't actually enrichment which is only seven miles across the bay from where we were working, but the Tri motor was there and it couldn't fly. But it's where they're storing it so we went over there even came up, and you know, the whole crew and everything small crew, and we shot it in in a morning over there. And it was strangest experience the beyond the other side of the camera with everybody's looking at you. And you wanna what do I look wrong my wrong? But they're looking at, you know, the shadow of your nose on your cheek or something like that. Your hair or head the right half, the right way and stuff like that you have warranty neat. You have mobile warmth for the notch. She's now. Played hitler. I don't quite yet. I have to soften that. I don't think I'm ever gonna quite. I want to throw I didn't even know I was supposed to be a Nazi. He. Probably would've said no way. How about this question? This is interesting from my our friend, Mike Herman does Dennis think motion capture performers like Andy circus should be eligible for kademi award nominations. That's a lotta question. That's a lotta question. I think it's you know, sort of I don't have an answer for it. I think what they do is so important to get the right attitude, and so much of the detail. I it's just different. You know, I think some of the people are thinking about doing special awards that may be the way to to treat that you know. But they it's so important how about this one from Ray Garton dragon slayer was a big leap forward for Disney. What were some of the groundbreaking effects Dennis pulled off on that movie? Any I for one thing. Very realistic dragon. Yeah. Right. Right. I was we we had a shocker after Empire Strikes Back that we had a preview in a lot of the cards came back. People did not like that Taunton creature. They thought look fake the two legged creature on the we thought it looked. Bula? So so I started questioning my own wisdom is the am. I seeing at the way the public seeing realize, well, maybe I'm not maybe we should try something different on dragon slayer. I'm actually thinking of trying it as rod puppets, you know, with puppets with rods below it. And as a model, but people would move it in real time. But Phil Tippett said, no, no straight. Let's go beyond. Let's do it actually with all the Motors like we do motion control and do it that way. So it's gonna fluidity that's like real. And you had never seen that before. All you've ever seen was the relieve the, Harry, and sort of stuff and even the stuff we did not have the reality of dragon slayer. And then I kept real moody and dark, and mysterious and the design of the dragon was terrific, and the sets were great and everything. So it really work. We were really trying to something. You're always trying to top yourself. Aren't you absolute whenever I finish something? I I in my mind convinced myself as obsta leat, and I really do that that's an obsolete and. Part of it is that I don't wanna do the same thing. Again. I'm going to do something like different, but not just different better. You know? And so then you got to figure out what's better. You know? We're how'd you find that it has more? So when where are these nine Oscars scattered? That's. Michael keeps this. Family work a little bit around all over. I tried to get him back every so often, so they can talk to each other and exchange stories with each other. But Gilbert, we're sitting here with two gentlemen, who started in life. It's little boys making their own movies in the backyard. And now they have kademi awards. Don't you don't you think there's something wonderful about that? That that really is. That's amazing where to keep yours. Mike. It's in the printer closet. Why is it in the closet? I don't know. All that stuff in the printer closet. I feel like you don't put it on display. I don't know. I just Stewart gave his mother. Gave his mother, and he put it the hardware store window feel like my mom would yell at me. You're bragging. What do you do in your brag? And you're gonna put that out there. Make people look at that. Out put it out at least a question for both of you. Do you often feel like if you are looking at an Academy Award that you won that you'll get like a little lazy? Like, oh, look how good I am. I one that. And you won't try hard on if it's in the closet. Might be part of like why my psyche wants at that way is because I don't want to look at it. I don't want to be reminded that I won that. Because I constantly listen every time I finish a film. I think I failed. And I promised myself. I'm going to do better on the next one. And I'm gonna learn, you know, so I feel like I learn something every time and that's in my face. I won't I feel when Spielberg directed the second drastic park. He he felt like he was. So he his opinion was that he was so proud of himself for what they chief with the first one that he didn't feel like he worked hard enough. I I didn't see any of that. When I was on the film. I was the interesting thing that was when he changed the entire ending to take place in San Diego and that happened very quickly. And wait a minute. We're not gonna end it on the island. We're doing some completely different. We're gonna like make King Kong where he's in the streets t Rex in the streets. I it was a really good idea. So I never saw any signs. Steven didn't give one hundred percent. I mean, I know this. I mean, probably just him after watching the film like he's he wants it beyond perfect. Yeah. Could be it's a federal Michael. It's really funny about the Oscar I had mine for the first year in the drawer. He'll really. Or upper the probably the same reasons. I don't deserve this. Right. Oh. And even think about it. Oh, that's feel embarrassed. That didn't give to everybody who worked on the film. But now, you have nine of them they can't possibly all fit in that drawer. So you got to put them around somewhere. That's where he was when I got three of them. And I put him out three to do it. Pretty amazing Dennis we wrap up. I just want to ask you about your speech. I watched you received the life achievement award from your peers your visual fellow visual effects artists and you talked about glacier park. You talked about this wonderful phenomenon that you assembly semi that you experience as a kid, and you said that sometimes that's what it feels like when a director asked you to do the impossible. Great metaphor. Great metaphor with they used to call the fire fall, the Firefox. They don't do it anymore. The mountain up there at six nine o'clock at night under above were camp. Curry is still there. They used to draw push big flaming blogs that had fallen down down a two thousand foot cliff, and and hit rocks blow and would all go out and everything, but they did it every night in the summertime, and I was six or eight when I first saw it, and it was awesome. Just the most amazing thing and thousands of people would be there every weekend looking at this thing. And then they finally had to stop it. Because the ecologist said, oh, it's not natural. And like, and they're worried about something. I don't know what. So they don't do it anymore. But it was the sense of wonder and seeing that something that's impossible is happening. It's not a waterfall only work is Vicky assembly right or you've got waterfalls in the daytime. And at night, you've got fire falling down downs. Wonderful looks like. Flaming water and that had a major effect on me seeing that. Yeah. At least me to the question. Can you kinda guy like you? That knows how things work maintain his sense of wonder when you go when you walk into that movie theater. Is it hard it gonna work on? Are. They worked on it. All the time to remind myself. I'm a kid. Yeah. And to, you know, bring back stuff feelings I had when I was a kid you got to or else, you'll get kind of jaded and and board, and you know, there's a lot of excitement when you're, you know, six eight years old same question. Three years old. Can you can you do that? I mean, you've been in the business so long you've seen everything you've been a part of so much. It's it's like he says you have to work at it. And you have to force yourself to be in a certain mindset. But sometimes it just kind of overcomes you in happens like, you get lost in a movie, and when that happens, it's really one of the most wonderful feelings that really truly makes me feel like a kid again when it when a film, really works, and you walk out of there, not even thinking about how. It was made. You're just amazed at the story. I love that. The worst thing in movies is if you're anything that you notice if you watching if you're going, oh that scene was shot beautifully or the dialogue is so witty or the acting. That means you're not in the movie, right? You're not lost in. Yeah. You still carrying that picture of of Ray Harry housing around in your I've got it somewhere. Yeah. I still do have it. Yeah. It's so Sweden's always in my wallet. Isn't that? Sweet carries. It carries it with him. I carry a picture of Gilbert. I have a picture of Gordon. I want to direct to our listeners to check out. And it's on YouTube is the Ray Harry house ninetieth birthday celebration. It's so nice. And so sweet that he that he lived to see that. And to see all you guys get up there and and make such a big deal out of him because God he really deserved it. Yeah. He was great in a lot of great people showed up for the Terry Gilliam people. I didn't even. His you know, it's a it's some flew in. Yeah. Changed lot of people's lives. It's a great thing to watch. And I feel like you have to and I just want to thank you personally for you know, as a kid. I'd never thought I would grow up to write music for movies. I literally I thought it was going to grow up in do what you're doing. I thought it was going to be doing visual effects because I was so obsessed with that. I love special effects on the stop motion sort of fell into music, but my heart is is still hugely into what you do. And I just want to thank you for all the inspirational. Thanks very much. We all you jet tennis. So. Well, thanks. I was in the right place at the right time or the right brain or right? Mix up brand. I don't know what it is. We've been going on interview two hundred and fifty people now in this show. And so often it comes up, you know, I was going to leave the business. I had one out the door. I was fed up. I was down to my last forty eight dollars. And it's it's it's just wonderful. It's wonderful. How things change, you know, when you love what you love, and you you you stay through it you stay stubborn. Yeah. You stays them. Right. You know, you gotta be good at it. So in these times, come your you do them and you deliver. But a lot of a lot of people get out that maybe should have stuck around. Yeah. My friend Susie Esmond says just stay on the bus. What's next for you? You writing a book I room or my wife, and I mainly my wife in the Mona writing a book on sort of on on. It's not a memoir, but it's more about an art book on how to visualize things. And then how to how to bring the emotion out of something in in affects or can actually be an anything any art form. And it's a lot of. Like, I said a lot of folks. I know they're coming up aren't even taught about, you know, about feeling excuse me here, they aren't they aren't even talk talking about, you know, doing quality sound or sound but doing quality. To try to engage in audience emotionally. They are just taught the technical side of it. And that's something that that we're trying to encourage trying to encourage in this book to get people to to view things as a child, and the whatever they're working on music, art, whatever it is stir your own emotions up not just deliver. What you think you wanna tell? But actually, feel it. Well, well, that's title yet. No, not yet. Okay. Great. You know, that you know, that there's that school the master's school or something it's on the internet that a lot of people are talking masterclass. Yeah. Masterclass I saw I saw Africo Santana's. And he says exactly the same thing. The prefix dislike him is what we talking about visual effects. He's talking about music everybody. I think all of us that are in this field you've gotten you wanna feel it. We wanna feel we're what we're doing. It's not taught in schools. Yeah. And be original. What's coming up for you? Mrs Aquino, I got. Spiderman coming up your scoring Spiderman vitamin too far from home Spiderman from home, and some other things you can't talk about. There's always things you can't talk about Dennis. I'm sure way more entrenched in that than I am on can't talk about this. The secret that US Gilbert. He can't talk about. Yes. Show. What good are yours? This might be one of my favorite episodes. So thank you so much. 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Sample show for 10/12/20: THE RETURN OF THE BLOB

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Sample show for 10/12/20: THE RETURN OF THE BLOB

"I'm Clyde Lewis, you're listening to a sample of today's ground zero show. I'm Clyde Lewis. And this? Is Ground Zero. Numbers Call Tonight Eight, seven, seven, seven, three, three, one, zero one one that's eight, seven, seven, seven, three, three, one, zero, one, one. You're listening online at aftermath. Dot FM, it's a free streaming service also talked to live dot com and other free streaming service. So they can get all over the web and get his regular time seven PM to ten PM Pacific Time. Here's why we do this is because with all the emergencies and all the crazy stuff debates and politics that was one of your shorts entirety, break away and have a break from it. All we try to do talk about some things that are. Off The beaten path, some strange crazy stuff tonight's exception really The weekend he went out of town to go visit a friend and whenever she's out of town I just don't know what to do with myself. So just sit around and You know you know watch movies catch up on TV shows weekend started to watch a few movies because of the show we did on Friday I watched twenty million miles to earth again. Beasley Amman Julia was grabbing something out of the fridge when he stopped and watched some some of the movie with he was really into the Stop Motion Animation. Of the Emir I think that's really cool. Alexa Godzilla. The Amir is my second favorite monster creation of course, Ray Harry housing. Guy. That created that I was a roommate with a guy who dated his daughter actually. And so when he was in town, I was given the chance to speak to him and meet him. Awesome because I got to meet him I got to meet Forestry Ackerman famous monsters film land. and you know with them, you know it just this guy was eliminated Carl strike in the guy who played lurch addams family he was awesome. Guy The played cousin. It just a number of people that you know in my days of horror I. I had a good time meeting some of these people having fun. Was Interested in the film. He was watching it. and. Then he of course had to go back to his video game. He didn't WANNA watch it for too long is it seemed old of course. You know. But even for me, you know that's an old movie in a really is I'm from the nineteen fifties of course. When the film was over is was really weird. You know I don't know if you watch enough TV to know his lately would covert. I've just been I've just become a couch potato. Dieting again because. I'm not as active, and so I figured you know if I diet I'll probably lose another. Couple pounds, and then I'll be able to get out and get active and hopefully just walk outside and walk back into the House whatever I need to do. But anyway was watching TV. And after The film. You. Know Twenty million miles to earth was over gave me some suggestions of other films I could watch. And one of them was the BLOB with Steve McQueen. Now. As I guess. The BLOB FOR ME I thought was probably my least favorite sci fi film from the fifty S. I thought. It was a silly film. Really. After all later parodied in the film killer clowns from Outer Space. One of my favorite cult films which I thought was interesting and so I once. Spoke at a at a where was spoke somewhere where there was a guy who published to bank zine called deep red. and. It was a fanzine of course really well, done I was very. Jealous of his work in fact, I, told my publishers what I did my fanzine more like deep red. and there's some people that still believe in the art of fanzines and I just love you know fanzines. If somebody has fanzine, they put together a be horror films or Scifi films or even comic books I'd love to see I published my own. And I made money at it. You know a little money of actually we have like beer night. So we'd all get together and staple them together to play the. Birds. TIKI lounge. Salt. Lake. City, we used to get birds TIKI. and. It was It was fun because we'd give everybody beard and then they'd Staple our magazine be lame together called a B. Lame the the lame. The Lane B. Movies that we loved and I believe Brad Nelson was my publisher and I worked with a few other people on it. It was really well done. We had a good time. And so I was supposed to be it. I I spoke at some gathering for that talking about fanzines and how to make him somebody asked me if I would write a guest column. For Deep Red This fanzine and asked you a comparison with the BLOB and killer clowns from outer space. That time learned to my surprise because I was of course you know you do research on things and and you learn something. So as as I was doing research for the BLOB. I practically have the trailer memorized. You know. It came from. Outer. Space. It's just it's such a classic trailers to two teenagers sought I as it fell through the skies and then. And then something starring Steve McQueen cast of exciting other people and I'm like what the Hell's that did they have a list in the woman who played Helen Crump On the Andy. Griffith show I think she steve McQueen's love interest in that if I remember because I was you know I got as much blob. As I wanted to get so I could make comparisons to the BLOB and killer clowns from outer space and so yes, I have that movie practically memorized by heart because of the the the research they did. And one of the things I don't think people get and this is where I changed my mind about the Blob and I really roof on but after watching it and studying it read it. Did you the BLOB was based on a true story? Yeah it was based on I did not know there was based on a true story. Until You know there was There was an article that was published in the Philadelphia Inquirer. You had the headline flying saucer just dissolves. And I'm looking at the article right now ron actually posted it. It says four South Philadelphia police officers had a new explanation last night for what happens to those flying saucers people are we seeing they dissolve? That's what happened. Last night to the airborne object is seen about ten PM by Patrolman, John, Collins, and Joseph. Keenan. The two officers said, they were patrolling a red car on variable of art and you're twenty sixth street when through the windshield they saw what appeared to be a parachute drifting slowly down from the upper air ahead of them. When I seen the thing was at tree top level they said and appeared at appeared to be about six feet in diameter. It settled in an open field near Twenty six three after summoning St Sergeant Joseph Cook, and Patrolman James. Casper his driver said they went to the field to investigate. The four officers stood a few feet from the object they said and turn their flashlights on it it. On the glow almost amiss that looked as though it contained crystals. Collins step forward and tried to pick up a thing up part of the masks on which laid his hands on dissolved leaving nothing behind but a sticky odorless gooey residue. Within twenty five minutes as they stood and watched the entire substance said evaporated. It was so light. They said that it did not even bend. It didn't bend the weeds in which lighted, sergeant. Cook. Notified the FBI a little sheepishly since he pointed out that he'd have nothing whatever to do or to show them when they arrived except a magic circle on the ground were something purple and quite. F- in essence once had been. So they go there's another one that was published in fate magazine in July of Nineteen, fifty four. Says here in October of nineteen fifty during a period as yet unexplained lavender son, a purple glows six foot globe settled lightly under filled in Philadelphia. Pennsylvania scarcely bending the grass with its weight. One policeman who observed it's fall from the sky touched it with his finger whereupon the weird object commenced to dematerialize within an hour or so it was a shapeless gelatinous mass. The Federal Bureau of Investigation was called in, but their conclusion or lack of conclusion was not released to the public whatever these strange aerial objects are. And wherever their origin may be. They certainly merit the objective attention and study of men of science whether station in universities or in the Air Force's project saucer. There are definitely not hallucinations misinterpretations of conventional aircraft. OR MASS HYSTERIA OR MIRAGES So, you have the feel of choirs saying flying saucers just dissolve and then some strange. So yes, this was a true story. Apparently. Got October September nineteen fifty. Two Officers John Collins jokinen swore that they had watched this mysterious object fall from the sky. And they radio to what they were going to travel out to the landing site when they they stumbled upon this Purple Jelly, mass at the crash site so I mean. Seven years later, of course, Jack Harris The guy who produced the BLOB was looking to a creature feature but. He couldn't come up with a decent premise so he asked his friend Irvine. Irvine H milgate to try and come up with something that would scare teenagers at the drive in. So Harris told him that it had to be a monster movie. He wanted to be filmed in color instead of black and white, and it has to be a cheap creepy film. You wanted to have substance characters that you can believe in had had to have some substance to it. He said it's got to have characters and unique monster. has to be a monster. It's never been attempted before and the method of killing the monster would have to be something that grandma cook up on her stove. So milgate remembered the. Decided to write about affiliates accident and make the Blob the protagonist in this thing. Film was going to be called the night of the creeping dread. The Globe, the girl, the globe was also considered someone suggested the molten meteor. And by the time, Harris suggests that the blob well shooting was underway already. So the script never refers to. The gelatinous monster as the blob instead of just called. The mass. So that's how if you WANNA know the history of the movie, the BLOB. was made based on a true story of a couple of COPS saw ufo landed a field in Philadelphia back in the nineteen fifties. Eight, seven, seven, seven, three, three, one, zero, one, one. That's Eight, seven, seven, seven, three, three, one, zero, one. I'm Clyde Lewis you're listening to ground zero and we'll be back I'm played and you've just listened to a segment of Ground Zero in order to access the complete archive shows in podcasts you must sign up on our secured server at aftermath dot media. 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Carrlyn Bathe - Kings vs Wild Reaction 01/28/21

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Carrlyn Bathe - Kings vs Wild Reaction 01/28/21

"You're listening to an la kings podcast for more episodes of this. And every other kings program visit l. a. kings dot com slash. Podcast is beyond stopping. Starting right back off the given go home got buried hard. I think it. Yeah now the kings the come to the aid theology very strong. You're listening to all the king's men. The official time cast of the la kings trying to protect depok. Now there's numbers thousands shop and that's that's the area that concerns a lot of people right because now here's your host jesse cohen. Well makings fans. I am jesse cohen. This is all the king's men. I wasn't planning on doing an episode tonight. But after listening to the post game availabilities from drew doughty and todd. Mclellan shot carlin bay the text and asked her to join me for what i thought was going to be a short conversation about how upsetting the injuries to matt roy and sean walker were and how that manifested in the post game interviews. It was not a short conversation. But i hope you'll find it interesting and maybe even entertaining. We are going to have another episode. That breaks down the play on the ice and talks about the season series against the wild in the coming days. So if that is what you're looking for in this episode. Sorry for the delay. Here is my conversation with carlin. Bheith car i wanted to talk to you immediately following this game because you and i were on the post game ability call and honestly the the tropes that i started stick to is that each game is like a chapter in the season and each chapter sort of defines the previous chapter rights. You lose eight to one in one game of that that bad but then you get a new chapter and if you win the next game eight to one all of a sudden. The previous chapter isn't so bad This is and usually the postgame availabilities. Don't do a lot to change my perspective right just sort of you know. What did you think coach. Well we need to pucks in deep pucks on net. You know sixty minute game two hundred feet effort etcetera etcetera tonight. Not only the loss of andreas athen you earlier in the day. But then the loss of roy analyst. Sean walker i thought we got a vulnerability and a peek behind the curtain. That i was absolutely not expecting from from drew doughty but especially from tom mclaughlin. Yeah todd flat out told us that he lied to us earlier today. It's funny. I was lying to you guys at noon when we talked about our. We're going to make any changes to the roster. We knew then. But i didn't know if it was going to be six or wander or anything like that Talked about bumps and bruises and having to get an update that i had that information. Then but i didn't know what i could share with you and that's all messed up. The day was as far as colour goes. But we're not in a normal world or lucky. We get to be doing the things we're doing right now and we'll take care of each other. We've come back and play again and that is absolutely respectful. Commendable to even just say that he didn't have to say that he could have just said Nothing at all he couldn't he. He could've never have told us that he knew that information. That's what i love about todd. Mcclellan design b s. In in a way where you know people can gloss over a situation and kind of tell you what you wanna hear maybe. He doesn't certain instances like this afternoon to protect what he may or may not know Or to protect what. He isn't sure of maybe he didn't know if he could say something maybe he didn't know if he was supposed to say something But there's just this no bs with him at any time and it's absolutely respectful so to hear that it shocked me but knowing that it came from him a person who i looked to to tell us the truth on how this team is doing and how they're how they are just it. Also kind of didn't surprise me. And i i wasn't expecting it during a press conference. Maybe maybe during A morning skate or practice in the coming days. You know i would maybe expect him to touch on it but that was. Let's put a pain in the in the post in post game vs practice things. I want to go back to that The when he said out loud. I lied to you guys. I did like a full body. Take right like if i. If i had taken a sip of my hot tea i would have turned to the governor's next to me and spit it out all over because one of the things that sort of that i struggle with in this industry is that people lie. They have to write. And it's and it's something that as a fan drives me crazy. 'cause i always want to know the truth and then personally i'd always rather be told i don't know rather rather than ally or i'd rather be told why can't tell you the answer to that He's pretty good about that to you where we'll say i can't tell you the answer to that and or i don't know right now and winston he's been very enemy referenced in the postgame availability that we may wind up playing later in seven but he you could hear him get a little bit terse with jack not specifically at jack harris from the la times. But jack happened to be the one to ask the question again. I you guys asking me these questions. I told you about a week ago. I can't even frigging answer them. I don't know if he's paused. He's in protocol and todd said repeatedly to all of us you know. Don't ask me about the covid protocols. Don't ask me about the diagnoses or or Or any of that. Because i i. I don't know and be i wouldn't tell you if i did. He will fly with us tonight. And that's all i can tell you right now. I i don't know again. I appreciate you asking the question but i really don't know the answers to those questions. i'd like to give you the answer but i probably mislead. Yeah anyhow but so the fact that. He said that he lied. Caught me off guard and then my my immediate thought after that was oh man he's gonna get in trouble for all of this probably not supposed to say any of it and i don't think so so i think i think when i when i coach finds out possible information. He was just probably going through the motions of knowing it's actually not his responsibility to let us know. We were told at the beginning of the season and Nhl pr sends those media emails. Every day and you can check the website if you're a member of the media and you log in you can see who is on the covert protocol absence list. It is not his Job to do that. And tell us who. and why. and what it means because there's also a number of things that can land you on that list. It's not doesn't mean you tested positive. You could have been in contact with someone who tested positive. You could have Actually tested positive. But it's considered an unconfirmed positive and they need to test you again to rule it out. You could be showing strong symptoms and it could. Just be out of precaution. And then the other ones. Which i'm not sure would have applied andrea but this is just me speaking freely like he wouldn't have had to quarantine due to travel or anything like that. I don't believe so. He's you know traveling with the team. Not coming from canada It's just we don't know and we should stop asking him that and it's it's something that i think he'd like it. He's expressed to us many times. And i rely on the that is provided to us through that media website and i know that they don't have to disclose what it is. That landed them there so i don't think he's gonna get in trouble for saying that. He lied because technically it's not alive. Technically he he didn't have to say anything at all at that time. If we look at it like that the part that i was concerned the part that i blew my eyebrows often thought. Oh wow maybe maybe. He shouldn't have said any that was so the andrey's advocacy thing was interesting right. And he said. After the post-game practice was bumps bruises. But the he'd be held out of the lineup. We knew that anderson dolan had been. I think we knew the national and have been activated that maybe later press release at soon so all right. Well something's going on then we out but but what he said in the post game the really blew me away was that was that the taxi squad entire taxi squad was getting ready to play. Exciting excited taxi group because they were getting prepared to play but You know the other through contact tracing and extra testing or cleared. I'm happy to see that because we're playing a game and it's important that we do our best but the health of all of our players families comes before anything now. I don't know if he actually meant all five guys Or maybe he just meant to three. Or i don't know but but he said they missed their power play meetings in the afternoon. He said they they really didn't know until much later in the day. Exactly how many guys would be unavailable to them. Throws everything off. We normally have a play meeting the pre-game skate the morning. And we didn't have that we very few players here available three-game skate. It throws everything. But i'm gonna tell everybody this again. This is the world wherein we should expect this. We started the season without three players. there's other teams that are going through it. We we agreed chose to enter this type of environment. We have to deal with it so move on. Let's make the best of it and it will be the last time at apple so adopt in play and so it is through that lens I referenced earlier about how each chapter changes the tone of the previous one and so as soon as it was three to nothing in the first period. I was like all right. Well i'm i. I will watch a because it's my job and be because i'm psychotic fan and i have and i have to but but i do have those moments in games and i tonight was one of them where they go down three to nothing and i was like all right. I'm gonna fight about food on twitter right. Y'all canadian well in america understood. Yeah it was born but But then they come back and then they lose roy then they lose walker but but at the end of the day knowing what we know now about have all the disruptions to their schedule all of the chaos surrounding the team during the day. They're on the road. It's the end of the road trip. They have to rookies on the blue line. They have to rookies at center ice. You know this young team and those other than the cup five It's a team. Put together pretty quickly right like andreas athens. Not in line up. But he leeann anderson only mada. Kale clegg Mike anderson gave lardy like these are not guys. Karl runs from these guys. That have been in the lineup for a long time and so all of a sudden i'm looking at this game and i'm like actually did pretty well. All things considered absolutely. They did pretty well. They kept it together in a in a game. Where if you listen to how drew doughty talked about it at his press conference where he was brutally honest. Like this game wasn't easy just mentally and you know before these things happened before. Andreas is out. And before matt ryan her out this this team is you know scratching to find their identity with a group of guys like you mentioned. They're not you know all cup winners anymore. They're they're this new kind of evolving group of people that are learning to work together. So there's this this magic still with each game. And i'm i'm not a like a a person that looks at it through a fan lens. I guess per se but there is the sixth of watching of people. Figure everything out under this new system that taught had put in place and you're being led by some people who have you know quote unquote been there before but there's just this thrill and excitement to watching the fourth line grind it out and surprise you input goals up on the board and watching. Andreas come in and just live up to this person that we knew he was may be two seasons ago. You know like it's just this There's an excitement of not knowing what's going to happen each each game and Ah game like this where it just totally rocked everybody from the coach to the players to the fans watching at home to the broadcasters were we were we were just shook seeing what happened to those two guys I don't know like there was just this era. Like get it done for for them. You know rally together and and do it for them and You know they don't they don't let things fall apart anymore. Not that they've ever really did but like there's just this adherence to what's been put in place now and it's nice to see things payoff and things stick and things do well like the power play like it's nice to see Continuity in Just the lineup. Day in and day out knowing people are doing well and earning their spots. And stop me. If i'm rambling but that's just there's a little bit of magic being sprinkled into Weird awful season in some of the weird awful things that happened. But like you and we'll get to to doughty's rolling all that in a second but the other moment that caught me by surprise in the in in mclellan's postgame availability and I'm gonna throw. It was under the bus here for a second. So i can't wait. You asked him for his perspective on the injuries to walker in roy as a father yes m my initial reaction as a promotion. Who hates fun. My first reaction was. I rolled my eyes. And i was like come on it professionals but then the answer he gave i was like. Oh wow that's a really good question. That's a really good question and a really good answer. I thought you pride yourself on being a dad and having tucson's around the age some of these players so when you take your chat off for a second really empathize with this team i mean. What were you feeling for those players on the bench and were you able to offer them any sort of comfort at all. I like my gut felt like the rest of them On you take them out roy. The matt roy hit you know it was bad but you look on the mentioned you look at the replay. Holy dot is bad Is he okay and finally when he gets to the bench and he's he's off your your little bit relieved you just don't feel right after that and then obviously the walks one You know the same thing in and and there's so many more people involved in in injuries than just the player themselves and teammates families watching own. There's parents girlfriends wives children a. That's a tough game and Sometimes it doesn't go your way and it's really unfortunate that that people have to experience up and it just reminded me that they're professionals but they're also eight or people right which i think is really easy especially in the As i said earlier the psychosis of fandom right. it's easy to forget that they're people with their own interests and their own agendas and their own. You know Lives yet but they're also a lot of them. I mean roy and walker are not particularly young but they're also from a certain perspective right and and from my for my perspective at forty two and certainly for mclellan's perspective from he's in his fifties right. I work with a bunch of people who were that age. And it's incredibly young. Sorry to spoil it for all of you. Who are in your mid twenties. But you're still babies and to see roy was not as visceral. I think as what happened to sean walker. Because we've i think we've seen too many of that kind of play where you're like cheese. I hope he's right and it's rough and he's lying there but but what happened to walker was just so jarring and so out of the blue and then they replayed it again at the you know. There's only so much footage like play being watch. It happened three or four times in a row. Slow mo And it was just sort of a stark reminder of like these are actual people even though you don't get to see them other than on zoom in on tv. I'll step on my soapbox here for a second goal is a reporter is to not get those answers like you mentioned earlier in us speaking. Where gotta get pucks. Deep gotta get pucks. The net gut had a goal. Few hundred feet play the full sixty. I don't want that from anybody. I don't want that from the coach. I don't want that from the players. There might be moments where you have to ask something a certain way to get take on a game and you may get that answer and i just look at that is. I'm not doing my job. Good enough if i'm getting those answers. And they they bummed me out because it's It's it's on me to make the player or the coach sound creative like we know that they are and dig a little bit deeper. So i when. I can like to take the approach of bringing the human element to the forefront of everything because too many times. It's all about what's happening. Technically or what's they just. We talk about the game so much that i don't think things need to be overly explained sometimes and knowing todd for as long as we have one of the biggest things that he's prided himself on is how his two young sons have essentially taught him to Connect with these players on this team. Like you're saying like we say young and it's like you know early there young. They're young they really are. So if you're in your early twenties and you're listening i'm old. You're not and him him and his and his sons like this is. He's learned so much from them. And how do you know Talk to these guys that he's coaching now. So i just. I had to ask him as a dad learning so much you know. How do you empathize with this team. Because in those moments if i'm shook and i'm thousands of miles away and i'm like about to literally like it's i don't want to be one of those media members where people are like. There's no feelings in sports. Like don't baseball like whatever like i don't there's so moments that you see something happen and you go. Oh my god mime sick to my stomach. I hope that person's okay. I've suffered a extremely terrible concussion. Where i couldn't leave my room for three weeks seeing the happen to matt roy. Not saying it's concussion. But i immediately think to that moment in my life. And i empathize with him. And i go. Oh my god. I hope it's not this At this point in time we don't have an update so if you do insert this podcast this recorded before anybody knows what the prognosis actually is on. Either of them so I do know their traveling home with the team. And that's all in a domain for hockey ops. So that's but it's just if. I'm feeling that way it's neg- i. I'm it's negligent if i don't ask from the heart and get them to say something from the heart do if i just ask something about how great the power play was. Did i even watch the game like i. That's my goals a reporter Many people have different views on how members of the media are supposed to do things of what kind of information we're supposed to get how we're not supposed to be emotional about things and and whatnot but in moments like that empathizing with the humans that we are hayes off way more than just like sticking to the script and trying to get that general question answered about how the game was that night and this is where i wanna go back to that pin. We put in the post game vs practice. We have been given consistent access to the players and todd mcclellan throughout training camp in this early season and i found it to be an unbelievably sharp double edged sword because on the one hand they do a pretty good job of trying to get everybody involved and ask questions right like we can't spend the whole day you know harassing these questions but but kings. Pr team does a pretty good job of getting everybody's questions in shout out real quick to john eddie and rob. Because i can't tell you this enough. Jessie and i'm sure you feel the same way they hill. It ends actually day in and out sending us like the lineup. The what was happening on the ice different plays different things that they've noticed like every zoom call recorded eddie's rican man and his computer trying to get us all like shout to them. Continue all. I'm just going to follow up on that. When i said repeatedly people on message boards and read it wherever it is like anything that any of you hear about a practice or training camp any of that content whether it's coming from jack harris or the mayor or bernstein or me or or you know lisa doman any of it. It's coming from king's pr. Because we're not allowed in the buildings. Either john or duly or somebody there Putting all that out. So but the point is they do this incredible job in the guinness these consistent interviews but dawn is the ability to pull somebody aside you and say hey. Would you think about xyz or the other thing so alice us. This really dumb example Game one i thought the ice looked kind of crummy in the first period. And i wanted to ask somebody about it. So i ask you this asking advocacy you about it not to make an excuse for why. The team played poorly or anything. I just was curious as like. Hey it looked terrible. I saw a bunch of people commenting about it. And i said you might have just said that to while you're waiting to interviewed your daddy. Hey i was i there tonight and he would right but he's answering the question. Maybe not aware that the answer will be available right to to the public at large but lee at the very least aware that there are doesn't people maybe on the call and so every answer we've gotten i would say before tonight anyway. Every answer has come through that filter of than being completely aware that their answers are being given to a group in an official way and that absolutely changes the answers to the dumbest little smallest questions. Almost every answer we've gotten is along the lines of pucks in deep You know two hundred foot game. Sixty minute effort etcetera etcetera etcetera and look to their credit they. We've been grabbing them. The second they step off the ice from practice and in games like tonight drew doughty the first thing he did when he sat down. I don't know if it made the edit. That's going out to the public. With the first thing he did was slumped shoulders. Mike almost smack is head down on the table in front of him and he looked he looked exhausted. He looked you know looks rough and he pulled it together and did availability. But as i said don the ability to pull the person aside and just say like hey look between you and me you know. How great is lasso. Do you put ketchup on your or whatever right legs. None of that is there. It is something that like here. We are getting emotional right. Pm at night after a already tough game to watch and whatnot. But like i have struggled with this on both sides of the coin jesse where it's not only tough to get the answers you want out of people and we need to do better. We need to get more creative. We need to. We need to say things in a way that that warrants them to tell us this information and that's just on us. We gotta get. We gotta get even better at our jobs. We gotta add more things to our our toolbox here just like how pr stepping it up. And to the point where john gomez wears the headset to like test for us in a different state to make sure that we can hear and the audience connected for the broadcast like these people are doing. Things were not in their job description so i almost look at it like maybe we do to. Maybe we need to change the way. We're asking these questions. And whether it's getting more personal or just changing up the verbiage. It's scott to happen because we are going to get things that are generic and things that you know. It's not our fault. It's it's not their fault for giving us generic things. But it's i think it's our fault for the we asked them and then on the other side too. I don't know if you've encountered this but not being able to see them for everyone at home listening we're doing zoom webinars. Which means we get to see the player. We get to see the coach. We get to see the person on the other side. Get to see us. They don't know who's in there. They don't know how many people have their hands raised tasked with question. They don't see the names. they just rely on on. Eddie fishermen who does a great job pronouncing overnights correctly. Say you know wherever froth in and have asked the questions right. But i don't get to make eye contact with the coach. I don't get to have that kind of look on my face. When i'm asking something that maybe it sounds bad but i have that. Look where. I'm positively trying to convey something to someone and let them take the wheel of like so. Tell me how this went for you. It gets taken the wrong way and this is this is Honest to god truth here. That's been the toughest part the season is like. We don't have that face to face. Contact can't have those little moments like you're talking about. Was the ice pat tonight. Like just a little bit in passing or you might have just mentioned in the locker right. And then we don't have the ability for people to read our expressions It's just it makes it so much harder. And i think i've i've been misunderstood or maybe not gotten the response that i was like kind of hoping for with the tone of my voice and it's crazy because who would have thought we'd be here and having to communicate like that it's extremely difficult and it's just like how different radio is to tv. It's just different in the way that you communicate. And i think i need a couple radio lessons Help there's a. There's a phrase that i wasn't really planning on even addressing but you just sort of triggered into my head i'm to look up. Who actually said it before. Say it out loud. As i'm very quickly googling on my phone but the the phrase is the media is the message and It's a phrase coined by canadian. Communications theorist marshall mcluhan and the gist of it is that the media through which the but ever it is whether it's a story movie art news whatever but the media changes how it's perceived by the person presiding. You right so if you're watching a news report on tv it hits differently than if it's coming to your radio than if it's a you know a newsreel before movie whether it's on twitter whatever it is round so your heart percent right you know. People are used to the the scrum right. You can see people's hands. You can ski the mic so you can see the whole thing and and this the following they wanna bring up is not a complaint. I just. I want to throw it out there for people to sort of get this peek behind the curtain. That i felt was important for some reason Ordinarily after practices and after games there are what would you say a dozen. Maybe nine or ten familiar faces that we see all the time right. It's the the la press corps. Jack harris it's lease domino occasionally. Elaine elliott get suda. John hoven dennis bernstein huge in fox. Darrell evans occasionally nixon. I poked my head in down. There sometimes. i'm trying to. I'm sure i'm leaving out some names. I apologize out. Yes worse and but that bit you know i mean. There are the usual faces. We're doing the zoom calls so people who are not physically present can be on them and so all of a sudden. I'm hearing these names. And i'm like who is that. I look it up. And i was like. Oh it's a guy who writes. Nhl dot com movies in new york. And oh who is that. Oh it's a you know a columnist for a newspaper and all of a sudden. I'm hearing these questions on. Who who are these people who how many games they watched they know the you know. They're asking about storylines that the rest of us are involved in invested in familiar with and all of a sudden now with competing for time in a way that we wouldn't have ever had which was even more pressure on you when you do get that you're one question in your follow up all of a sudden you're like all right. Well you know. Unlike so for example tonight i had my didn't have my hand raised for most of the mcclellan presser because i thought surely someone's gonna ask the question that i wanted to ask him which was what did he think of mike anderson and calc clegg in the after walker dot right because who rookies. You've got four defenseman on the ice doughty is obviously drew doughty but curtis mc dermott is you know is a guy who's gonna a curtis mc no absolutely but but on a good night on a good night. He's gonna play. What twelve minutes. Fifteen minutes and so all of a sudden right. Your veterans are doughty. Who's gonna play thirty five. If he can criticize germany's now having to pick up a lot of slack and mcdermott clegg anderson are all left. Anyway the point is. I didn't raise my hand until because nobody nobody's asking. The question is like all right. Well it's the only one. I want to hear the answer to. So i'm gonna raise my hand by that point right or something extra people in that. We didn't get these whatever interesting like it. It it just puts a completely different pressure. Time limit For at everything on the availabilities. Anyway kudos to you and kudos to todd for what i thought was amazing Talked about longer than i was intending to. So i don't want to ignore drew doughty's Availability because one. I thought it was funny. I think was duly. Who asked him difficult to refocus news. Like no. I don't think it was hard for us to refocus our attention. Just kinda turn to. We got gotta win the game for those two guys who got injured and then later do the same question mcclellan was like of course of course is great but i also loved confident. I don't know if that's even the right word. But i just love the fact that he was like. Yeah i was great tonight. Tonight is dominated the game I was really really really good tonight. I don't think i can play much better than that. He takes me as a person who if you speak it into existence. It must be true right so he he seems like a. You're gonna disagree with me. But like i don't picture him at home waking up giving himself positive daily affirmations day right i feel like he is that person that if he can assure himself. I'm pretty good like what's going on or like you know are powerful is pretty good or defensively. This might be the best. I've i've played in a few seasons. Or whatever like whatever it takes it will. We're all different. We all you know. Respond to what we hear about ourselves differently. And if you could be the person that sets that narrative and we can write about that and we can broadcast about that. Why the heck not like. Take the reins tell your story prove yourself on the ice and get it done. And i feel like he's been kind of gaining or going in that direction I'd say the past few weeks since the start of the season. Like i think he i don't. This is projecting and sometimes i do that where i don't know what they're thinking right so i'm i'm trying to say something based off of what seems like it's happening and before the season started you know. He felt good and new. I add an extra long offseason. I think i'm feeling better than ever like some guys are set. Pr's on in the gym and like really kind of coming back in better shape than they ever were and think he had high hopes and then got off to a little bit of a rocky start right so if he can set his own narrative and say well i'm playing my best game and then he goes out and has another great game and then discuss piling that on then like at. What's that mean. We're like all of a sudden. The brain is like y. It means producer. Chris like i still don't know what it means. I just picture that the daddy of just like the bore. He becomes drew the better off through it so i wasn't planning on delving into this but don i'm gonna now. I have been working on a drew doughty theory. Wait for the last couple of weeks Because i truly believe Hopefully correctly that drew doughty is still capable of being drew. Doughty that you know the two time. Stanley cup winner two time. Go medalists The guy that. I for the first two or three years of his career. I said listen if he played for the canadian team. They're already beat a statue of him outside. The built right like amazing. Yeah but one of the things i said earlier. This season Either to jacked bonski or my father. I don't remember who i said. You know he's not the fastest skater. He doesn't have the hardest shot. He doesn't have the slickest moves. He doesn't he's not the biggest. He's not the strongest. So you know the thing that makes great is the sort of sum total of his parts. And here's the All background this down theory. But here's the theory. I'm believe that there are some athletes who succeed by sheer devotion to their athletics. Right people who lena like. I would say I don't want to name any names because it sounds dismiss dismissive but there are guys who succeed because they're just big fast strong their incredible athletes. And then i think there are guys who succeed because they have an artistry within them towards the game and i would include guys like wayne gretzky. where you look at him physically you just go. How is that the most dominant offensive player in the history of the nhl and the answer is a combination of a million little things that we you know all the stories. We've heard about how he can see things out of the corner of his eye and he thinks the game on a level that other people don't and look at doughty and i go listen. He's not investigator he's not the biggest hitter. He's not the best shot. He doesn't have a great slapshot he's but he just at when he's at his peak. He thinks the game in a way that is more art than his rain is just truly a through and through hockey year lane. So here's why. I think he's been playing better. And and jim fox noticed it and Doughty's mentioned in mclellan's mentioned it. I've noticed that everybody. I've spoken to concedes that his game has improved. A season has gone on. And i think it's because if you look at the partners that he has had the most success with from my perspective. Anyway it's been sean o'donnell rob scuderi brain mcnabb. And now it didn't work out with only mata but it is working out with mike anderson and it is my belief that he needs a foundational partner. Not an artistic partner. I think mata may be too similar to doughty doubting needs that again. This is just my insane theory. But in order for him to improvise and to be artistic he needs a foundation to play off. He's a great talker. Talking as as a partnership is one of the most important things you can have He talks to me. I talked to him. So we're we're we're very good at reading off each other. He's gonna make little place to escape this own good at finding me in the offensive zone. It is just a good solid player. And he's always going to back me up there too. So i can get up in the rush so it's click Very well so far right leg jazz. You can't do a solo if you don't know your scales right at in art. You can't be picasso if you don't know your form like yep so if you put them with another artist who's also free wheeling and improvising it. Screws him up but if you put them with somebody who just lays down solid defensive game right if you're being the ringo to his john lennon. Sorry if i'm butchering that analogy music fans. But i think that's. I think that is the key to unlocking drew. Doughty's artistry and. I think they have hopefully rediscovered that. That's extremely interesting. And that's that's a way that i don't think i've ever even thought of jesse but that's so true because who was it tonight on the broadcast. Was it army. Who talked about mike anderson. Being like a sean o'donnell in the way he presents himself. So yeah something like that and it kinda got my gears thinking about that. But not to the extreme that you're thinking of and it's like What's the rule in comedy. Like when you're doing a bit with somebody like somebody's gotta play the straight man soon or like there's only room for one funny person or something like i dunno the rule but like but to your point there have been a long history of straight men and and you know setup men and funny us. Yeah like he mikey. Anderson's game is just so foundationally solid and he doesn't need to be this offense profound person you don't need him to get his fancy on for lack of better terms jer right and if you let drew uses incredible hockey iq to lead the charge of somebody that at least just has that great base to them. Let him be the creative person that he is than gosh. Yeah maybe that's the reason why we're just seeing him excel right now. Because he's looked good. He's looks good at five on five. M special teams and he just looks like he's He's not second guessing anything right now you know and only mata is extremely creative player and that's kind of why drew like them when he was talking about him in training camp he was so excited to play with him because of the way that they think the game but who knows maybe he needs someone. Who is you're saying more not dull down but just less less Less artistic in a way like or is okay with being less artistic. I guess is a way to Because every player has their own sense of. And i don't wanna. I don't wanna give the impression that i am pro artists than anti craftsmen like craft. Work is important and when you go to a nice building with incredible architecture or if you see a nice watch or you know or one of the reasons. I love halloween. Is i get to sit there in carbon pumpkin and it's not our. I do the same designs every year. But i just like doing You and your halloween. you do l. Listen it's an incredibly small sample size and who knows. Maybe i'm totally wrong. And maybe i'm just making stuff up to keep a finger on the pulse to see what happens so anyway. I took his way off the rails. Not at all what i was in saag about but i wanna thank you for joining us. Love it Jesse thank you for having me. Thank you for letting me spill my guts in a different way like i know this candidate you know in the parking lot one the morning listening to my crazy anymore. My god. she's stick around. Jack and i will have a series recap where we'll get into the And talk more on ice stuff but karlin out. Like i said i wanted to have you on because i wanted to talk about What i thought was sort of an amazing night in this weird wacky season. The were having so appreciate it time. Jesse thanks for having me. Hey drew i. I must have been a tough night for you. Guys with with four. Defensemen matt ryan sean walker. Going down like that. I mean. how valuable are they to this team. And and what were you guys thinking on the bench when you saw it happen. Well obviously scared for both of them. was just scary. I mean the hit from behind a dangerous play. I mean you could get very very badly injured in that and then obviously taken a popular face. This automatically bleeding like crazy like that. I mean honestly out of the rest of the third period kind of scary Just kept thinking about that in your head but there are two really good players to our biggest Defenseman on our team. So it sucks to lose them. I mean we lost the aa to that sucks has three key players when you see that both you know other right shot the are out. Is that a situation. Where you're telling the coaches like hey. I can go as much as you need me to the rest of the game i yeah. I told him that even we have sixty minutes. So i'm ready to do whatever i need to do. Fight three seconds into the game and then the play with fiala is there bad blood between these teams. Now i mean there's gonna be lots of bad blood this season because we're planning team so much In the past. I don't think there's a ton of bad with minnesota but yeah i guess maybe tonight some of that started we. We didn't play while in the first period that was pretty evident. I think of that. the second. The fifth goal for me are are so preventable we We have an empty net. We missed the net Was one shot and then the demand shoots it into somebody else for breakway. I don't know if the goal would account it due to goalie interference. But at least let's put him in a situation to make the call and We did neither of those was internet after breakaway. So that one was really frustrating to see happen and then the fifth one were crawling back into the game. We we give the puck away for nothing. And it's back in our net so those are frustrating goals against They're completely preventable. They're not even really high forced mistakes. There you're not in a real stressful situation. You just make bad decisions and we've got to get that out of our game. We won't have any type of success as far as coming back short-staffed especially on the back end. You could see at the end. The guys were bagged and not a lot of left in the tank but You play the hand you're dealt and we worked delta very good one tonight a will regroup and get better. I think we're way further ahead right now than we were last year The teacher wants to see the class do while they want a the teacher always wants to see the class get rewarded for the work they put in. And you guys give me fifteen minutes after a game a little bit down. But i'll go watch it again and there's so many good things that are group's doing We just need to do it a little bit more. We need to clean some things up. And and what would more than we lose eventually. It'll just take some time. Todd your thoughts on the fiala looked like a shove into the board and really wasn't necessary. You described it perfect. It'll be on multiple videos Teaching clips for young players Older players junior players pro players on on basically what not to do Feel bad for rosetta. Even know if there's any intent on on the fiala thing it just happened but we have to know by now. We can't do that. You know drew. How's the experience. And he's been able to run a high minute level for his own career. I thought tonight was one of his better games very aggressive. All over the rink both offensively and defensively. He had an energy in her passion on On the bench that kind of rubbed off on the rest and he showed the remaining three defense when that that they were okay. They do it and That's what you call leadership in in that situation.

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Ep 227: Hi Mary

Bodega Boys

1:49:32 hr | 3 months ago

Ep 227: Hi Mary

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Oh maybe there's the moment was. It was like the knicks sneaking around eating each other's boxes at christmas time We see first of all. It's like i don't know. I guess because of the pandemic these broads could meet a dude to take home. I mean those broad get lonely the cold snap. It's you know it's it's like jail. It's like know you know you get your favorite balk closes next thing you know. Yeah home recreating henrietta on the hudson. You know you got yourself arba misstated. Watch lifetime digress. So the broads you know they go today. The parents house and they're like oh my god you'll will we on the dl. 'cause i guess if you are lesbians you're on the deal with. I don't know but so they like a mama me. I'm a finger popping your daughter and it's like no not at my house. None of my anglo-saxon halston then they have soup and they bought sweaters and then obviously like oh. She used to do to me and it's she used to do to me in the middle italy. 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Also check out the syrian connection. This is not. This is not recommendation. And i'm not telling anyone to watch it. I accidentally watch this because the title couldn't pass me up it was called psycho stripper killer. Nothing more nothing less on lifetime. And i was like how. How could this be. Oh lord it was bad. Oh lord day was bad libyan seclusion because this is important is one of those movies. When it's like a very popular piano star is trying to kinda like take baby steps into like Like quote unquote mainstream acting world. No this is like a mainstream acting person who's washed night now do so. Oh and the whole time. You're like wait. A minute isn't such from such or this is trying to google but you can't remember their names. Movie guy will weird teeth and small is would and he was in a about cards. But here's the premise. For this this one sheet or right here. A girl getting married. Her fiance was supposed to marry someone like ten years ago. But the fiancee. 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Just have the hatchet down in the wood and the guy falls directly on the hatchet but they don't show it because that's too violent because after you g. rated movie so bra what does watch and we see over here racking our brains trying to make like good movies like we can just move. We can just make psycho stripper killer and just put it out. Just a nothing. Good is not good. That's what covert show. You don't have to make good stuff like a lot of people are watching now. Sucks to undoing. The ending of that sucked. Emily harris was alright. Is kinda mid Yeah it's funny because you know not to toot our own horns but You know w released the ten best and worst and we're at best and is in the ten worst. That's w take it back. Take our take ours ten. Take our best. And give it to emily and perry. She's just trying to see perry's without knowing french. Why would you go to france without knowing french. I don't know. But i watched. But i like i like watching them. So i'm like look the should they. There was one scene where she's like. I guess meeting the team for the first time. And she's just like high and blah blah blah. This whole spiel deadpan. Looks all around and then just goes. Why are you so loud grow. Some frankly i was like this is that this is going to be ten. Twelve episodes of french people are weird. Did you see the bodega tweet. That was that's ridiculous. Like how how far in your. How shitty is your town that you take up arms on social media to be like well. We don't need potatoes because you know like we don't live at shoe boxes for ten thousand dollars a month. You realize it was so weird like people got so top mad dog off the bottom of this. Like fucking new yorkers think leaders workers it was like new yorker stink here the coolest kids in school. And guess what you're not and i'm like you know what i don't wanna use brag but as a former cool kid in school you don't think about being who in school is the non cool kids at school who think about the school. We're talking about shoo fly overseas. Am i fly over states. I mean anything. That's not in the tri state area for anything. That's not florida california. That's it or chicago and julia. Witold destroy as well michigan. You got it at the rest of yellow fly over states got no deger's yup yup people rock. Tim's wonder how popping new york is. You want me to show. You would tell you. I'll make your claro right now. Twitter about why new yorkers greatest city ever after this don't ever have to discuss this again when cova came to new york. Right coca cola could've went to any state and did ya cova. Go to callie. like no. No joe jacobi hearted as underground new york. Raff max okay and blew up numbers you see. You see how cohen was chart in april. Come on man. 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I like you. Have you ever been also. I can see the flip flip side as a new yorker. I know i know that connection. You know what i'm saying. I know what. I tweet my balls. Cover the time line. As new yorkers are we we have a big presence we were big people and we think very highly of ourselves now alleged going to hear about the magic you follow me and you like you like all that bodega voice shit. But sometimes you like. Sometimes we'll do a tweet. It'll be so fucking new york specific and we don't have clean it and we don't give a fuck people get it outside right now. Feels like fifty third street. At six o'clock you know what i mean. Everyone's i assume it's fifty fifty. Have people posting the gift of chris pine evans. What are the christmas be like. I still do reference reference and then happy it. Be like yeah. I don't talk about that's what it is so you get enough to be like fuck that. How dare those new yorkers think they live better than me better than me. Listen there's a bell choir down the street okay. that's right around christmas specials. Guess what i thought crackhead at a at a strip mall to. You guys aren't ula bay plaza deal or any who cares. I got the biggest tractor on my block. Tell you what was like if you have a tractor. You're not on a block. I don't care everything i know about. New york is what i know about the world. Sorry i'm a little kid. I'm in a planetarium. There was like what's the name of the planet. So i'm like manhattan brooklyn queens. Staten island and neptune if we do like a like they demoted pluto. I wouldn't like you know what i'm saying. Shut the staten island. But i feel like you can get demoted news ahead. Well there while staten island right now. They're a bar that has said it's basically a sovereign nation. So you don't have to follow the us government and with the with mario cuomo said about not serving liquor and beer and now they've barricade themselves inside the bar and like senate person as somebody who some council member who's trying to get inside and he got arrested and they think they're basically rosa parks but the thing is noah said they can't drink they just can't have people eating inside and everyone they keep interviewing about this if you called julio or they might be on their way to call it a. Julio it's america they should. We could do what we want. The idea that he can't eat food inside is communism and slavery i to be on. Its worse it's verbal. If you if you're telling me i have to close my bar at ten o'clock well i mean caution because make a new list because i'm on it. I'm on okay. we're press number one. You know i. They came for the romanies then. They came for the wheelchair. Now they come. Staten island people. And so i won't stand for it. I would not say a center listenable for tweeting out like joe. Dr jill biden will be the first italian american to hold office in the house. Like like okay. That's cool but like she said like it. It was like the first black woman or the first. Let's wait leader. The white house like is this coming polls in uh making a nanna sauce or sooner joe biden's like hey you're drinking my manana sauce. You'd be like okay kuku. Hey i call the gravy ogm also watch out everybody of the spotify on wrapped to everyone asks posting to listen to the boys or this year found something who doing nine episodes back to back. One day marathons doing like sixty six thousand hours. So shots y'all rocking with the pod. With eight episodes that is That's full workday plus overtime trying to you. What i'm saying out here grinded riding so glad you enjoyed it. ignore podcasts. after this because We realize money in celebrity boxing so next year i will be fighting. I'm fighting. miro are going toe to toe with. Khloe howie so do hope they writing a magic louis. How he beat the shit out of. They're they're in their twenty s. I believe young. They can move that they go and they get mail how the listen and listen and those. That ring was small like we can't run. You can't run around and try to win on points they got. That ring was the size of the original ipod. It was so best thing about the entire thing was snoop dogg every and everybody said it. You know it's a given if snoop wasn't there that should have been makes watching uncles. Fire like watching roy jones and mike tyson big club just let out negatives draw the only concrete energy. Like you know who's wants because it's like you could tell like roy jaws just like you know i'm just trying to survive and get this check. Mike tyson stepped in the ring. And then just like activated. 'cause every punch that motherfucker through he was just like like eighty eight. Mike i was just like your. 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I believe my sister took two and the fight was over and everyone had donated money to get the pay per view and tight and there was like well. We're gonna watch next R kelly tape and then tesa play was while because at that point everybody knew he knocks motherfuckers out in like the first either way like you basically pay into like just because there was no u2 and then oh my god. Many were streams issuing legal street. Changed the game okay. What's it will somebody because member of Mayweather for kind of gregor and that was like the y'all wild like this is unprecedented. And i was just know i just went on july but it was just like. Yeah here wants to like. I'm it sounds like With it when you get to it because the worst is you got good streaming and you see someone else. Tweeted out like ten seconds. They about day about the dead. This focus to the president of showtime who had a app that showed all the streams and stuff during the fight without sitting next to him. You i don't know what that technology if you watch out who. He is getting wider and wider. Like fuck. you rather have. We got it was it was about the Oh about the streams. So here's the thing you know when you get this you get into the stream sites like six or seven up to ten links however many links would you rather have low made video and have the analysis be an english own. Would you rather have like four. K crystal clear with romanian announces. I paid for the fight talking about illegal shake federal. Those i wanna. I wanna talk to some of my more famous brethren on twitter who streams beyond. Got more money than me. I'll feel this way. If i pay legally from us dream and i know i see y'all the car commercials no are seeing. How do a movies. I'm not going to name any names. I hope you feel guilty. Because you're not talking about this. Is your this if you got tv shows and you got cars. There's no you rich and you hop on twitter. 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Hey catch my private jet base led a bit new makeup artist the tarmac which it yeah yolk spray please. Meanwhile shots all the rich people get in cova tests every two hours you know. How big boys do ya bro. Hundred walking around the house myself cova test for no reason. Just for fun An ajar way. Call of duty with the nasal swab in my nose. Should as a perk rapid test was taken out with close in the second guessing. Kobe move just give him my dog mclovin just for fun. Oh god remember. Snuggles are a national. Let me mc r. o. Eilly little carrier come here. No no no. It's very serious vaccine not has dropped so if you are still our here running to catch. Ps five you hustling backwards. You need a vaccine. Vacc- buys boy. That's way to season three where we star and we'll tape it from home ain't no sneakers behind me baby to stray vaccines streak vaccine. Okay ask you visor mondaire. i'm gonna have the off white virgil wa- my go join approve. Should out of the like the little. 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You cannot reopen la marina like we're not reopening it as a restaurant or a bar re legalized issuing distributing vaccines to the neighborhood to the needy to the most vulnerable. They'd be like for free right. What about the previous order for twenty hooper's and apparently you wanted extra weeks. Were not even like. That's that's that's right. That's for keeping the vaccine code because if you make it hot enough things get cold. So yeah so you know dot could ask our doctor dr Drag on he's the opposite of each daego so they busted another four hundred and twenty-five person party in new york yankees as if you keep doing them. What happens if even if you get caught as promoted. You just gotta find. You made that money out the door. You don't give a shit so they gotta do what. I'm sorry status. They need to start finding everybody. That goes to the party individually the same way if you had to open container or a burner in charges. 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#155 Ryan Sutter

First Class Fatherhood

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#155 Ryan Sutter

"Yeah. Lace? Welcome to first-class fatherhood. Welcome everybody to one fifty five the podcast. I am happy as always that'd be here with you. Thank you for stopping by. If this is your first time listening to podcast, please get over there and Daynet subscribe button. You do not wanna miss all the action that it's coming your way right here on first-class fatherhood, okay, dad's. I've got one question for you here. Will you accept this rose? I have got an exclusive bachelor tells all to episode then kicking off an exciting week of first-class fatherhood. The bachelor has its season finale today and tomorrow, it's a two day event. So in honor of that I have got to bachelors former contestants of the series joining me here this week started off, I know, many of you have wives out there that love both the bachelor end up bachelorette. You might sit there on the couch next to them making wise brags about it. But deep down inside your harboring is serious curiosity and trying to handicap the winner of the contest whether you like the shows are not they have been doing something right because they are in their twenty third season of the bachelor. Today's guest was the. Last man standing on the very first season of the bachelorette. Ryan Sutter was trista choice in the two of them were married shortly after Ryan is now a first glance father. So the final rose blossomed into a beautiful family and Ryan will be here with me in just a minute. So police around interview tomorrow, our bachelor tribute continues with a guy who was already a first-class father before appearing on the show. Jason Mezin was a runner up on season four of the bachelorette, and he eventually became the bachelor himself who had some controversy by choosing one girl, and then marrying another but more on that tomorrow when we have him featured on the show here. So lock it into firstly fatherhood Wednesday on the podcast entrepreneur. Tyler Jack, Harris will be here with me. He is a fairly new father who went from the unemployment line to multimillionaire in less than three and a half years. You have got to hear his amazing transformation story Wednesday. So please join me for that Thursday is going to be a lot of fun as well fellow fatherhood podcast and author. Larry Hagner who hosts the dad edge podcast will be joining me here. And I've got a fresh frogman Friday episodes of finish the week off strong this week. We're going to have former navy seal Brandon Cruz, he's going to be our featured frogman of the week. So what away we're gonna start it off with a bachelor, and it would have frogman. So we're kicking it around to all fatherhood from all aspects of life year. Please help me spread. The message about the podcast. Fatherhood rocks. Family values rule in everyday is Father's Day right here with me, and I'm gonna jump right into the action right now with former contestant on the very first bachelorette. Ryan Sutter, I'm out of lace. And you're listening to I last fatherhood. I cannot say thank you enough to all the listeners out there. You'll hear a word from my sponsors in the middle of today's interview if you'd like to help me make first class fatherhood, Ed free, please consider becoming a supporter of the podcast by hitting the link in the description of today's podcast episode. Right. And joining me now is a first class father. He was featured in the first ever season of the bachelorette where he was the last man standing and captured the heart of the bachelorette trista Rehn, he is a former firefighter and former fifth round pick of the Buffalo Bills in the nineteen ninety eight NFL draft. It is a great pleasure for me to say Ryan Sutter. Welcome to first glance fatherhood. Appreciate it. All right here, we go. How many kids do you have? And how old are they? I have two kids. My son is Maxwell is eleven and my daughter Blakely is nine, but she'll be ten in about a month. Very cool. One of each type of sports activities today into masses full on into hockey were just about to wrap up the season there think but at the two week and a half or so, and then we'll have our last tournament be done with that I've been actually coaching this year. So that's been a super fun experience for the two of us. And then. Likely is into lacrosse and dancing. Awesome. Okay. Please Ryan take a minute here. Just a hit my listeners what a little bit about your background. And what you do. Okay. Well, I guess long story short the the more likely reason why anyone would know who I am because I was the pick of trista trista Rehn at the time on the very first bachelorette. So I was the I guess you'd call the winner of the very first bachelorette trista, we were married shortly. After that experience have been married now for fifteen years and have the two kids. I just mentioned I seven years I worked in Vail, Colorado, as a firefighter, I retired there in June, and I'm working for a custom builder in in Vale now trying to learn a new craft and and kinda put some definition to the next half of my life. So I guess that's kinda kinda short story. Yeah. What an amazing way to meet your wife all law that had to be a wild experience. How did fath? The hood come into the picture and kind of change your perspective on life. Well, I think I think you sort of answered your own question like having children just completely changes your perspective on life, you go from you go from more of I guess as a self centered life, not necessarily in a bad way. But you know, the focus of your life when you're single or when you're you don't have kids is generally yourself. And then you have these kids who you're responsible for the developing into into people in that that changes everything I mean, I know change everything from. The amount of sleep. You get kind of food you eat the way that you go on hikes. You know, it was no longer about getting to the top of the mountain. It was sort of simply about just getting far as you could and enjoying the experience and trying to create these valuable moments with your your kids, and you start to a really appreciate you know, one you start to go back and appreciate your own. Parents all the stuff that they did to create create the the people that we've all become and then you appreciate your life a little bit differently. When you start to look at it through the eyes of of your kids. So the really the entire perspective of of adult hood changed when and I had are really when we first had max. And then it just, you know, amplified a little bit more when we had likely very well said all right? My wife is a big fan of both the bachelor end a bachelorette one thing that seems. Challenging to me about bulldoze contests that normally when you're dating a woman, maybe have some type of doubts that the woman is seeing other people or hooking up with other guys, but on the bachelor bachelorette, this is sort of the purpose of the show. You know, the sample all the fishing the pool. So what are some of the challenges of that? How did you handle? All that natural jealousy that comes along with competing with so many guys for the same woman. Yeah. I would say I had I didn't handle it. Well, and the weird part was not not necessarily during the actual process. So while the show is being filmed, and you're you're actively seeing Tristan you're hanging out with the guys, and you're sort of you're sort of just engrossed in the experience. It didn't really bother me. I need a new she was going out on these other guys. And it didn't bother me at all. When it started to bother me was when the show actually was aired on television, and you actually saw her with the other guys. And you saw you know, the relationships that she. He was developing with the other guys, and you know, everything that was going on those dates and not through stuff. And then then you kinda like, wait, wait, wait a minute. Like, you didn't tell me that you you thought this way about him or that you had these feelings about him. And you know, all this stuff just starts starts to resurface things that you'd kind of sort of put to bed because at at that time trust, and I were engaged and we were moving forward with you know, planning the rest of our lives the other. And then it all takes this kind of weird turn when you start to relive. Your courtship that that like you said happened in a really unconventional way. So there were lots of hard conversations, and you know, to credit we just were, you know, super candid with each other and open and got through it. Thank goodness in. But yeah, it was it was definitely not easy. Yes. I would imagine. And everything was so new at that time. It was the first season of the bachelorette. The bachelor was still fairly new. So this whole idea of putting people on a reality TV show at the end result expected to be an engagement. I mean, how did your parents and family members react to you telling them that you were going to participate in this type of production where the end result was an engagement. You know, I think it was also knew they weren't. I don't think that anyone including myself really knew how to react to it. Nobody was especially skeptical of it. You know, they were more just there just so much on unknown. The whole thing that they kind of went within Intel the very end when they started airing the episodes, and I started to you know, continually get chosen, and, you know, stay on the show. I think my mom, especially about I think she was hurt to some degree by the fact that I didn't tell her how it turned out prior to her finding out like, you know, with millions of other people, you know, she's she's my mom and in hindsight, I would have done that differently. You know, the the production company, they they put sort of the fear of God in you about, you know, revealing the answer and. And so you really scared about telling anyone even though you want to. But I wish I would told I wish I would have told my parents prior to them seeing it on television. Because I you know, I that that's a regret that I have a process because my mom was visibly upset by the fact that her, you know, I born child was engaged to be married, and she had no idea. Yeah. I can definitely respect that Ron, and I'm sure that most moms out there would have been a little bit disappointed with that whole situation. But how about is far as you guys finally having a child and then having him splashed on the cover of magazines. I know I've seen the US weekly cover that he was featured on. I mean, were you proud to have him on those covers or did it give you a little bit of trepidation being, you know, exposed into the public. I mean, it's one thing to have the attention on you and trista, but when it comes to children that may be a bit much. How was that whole experience? You know, I think right from the get-go once went to show started, airing and people, you know, we became sort of recognizable as people, and then you know, when it was over as a couple it was it was it was hard. I had to take a lengthy break from the fire department because people were, you know, not harassing me. But be a pulling fire alarms in in condominium buildings just to have the fire truck show 'cause they were hoping that I would show up with it and things of that nature. They were just disruptive to people's safety in life. And so it was a huge. You know, you're all you, suddenly you're on Morning America. And you're going to the American music awards, and you're doing all this sort of crazy stuff, and you're right, especially trista was all over the cover of lots of different magazines. And you know, when we had max because he was are, you know, he I think it was the first child that come out of that. Whole bachelor experience. There was some attention around that. And by that point, we were we were pretty used to it. And we weren't really concerned about overexposure. Yeah. We lived at Vail in the time. And so we weren't we weren't constantly badgered by 'paparazzi or we didn't we didn't have this sort of Hollywood lifestyle. So it wasn't something that was you know, a lot we weren't. We weren't considering the ramifications of all of that, I suppose at the time. And and thank goodness. I think the world was a little bit different place in a little, you know, we weren't we didn't have safety concerns of in things of that nature. So we were fine with it. You know, I think it's kind of cool to have those covers those magazines tucked away in a closet that we can bring out when our kids get married and sort of show them they were they're they're they're starting to begin to understand. How they're how actress then I met, and why people stop us on the street to take pictures, and that sort of stuff, it's it's become an accepted normal part of life for them and for us, but it is strange, especially when I did go back to work, and we would you know, 'cause it's the fire service. We would go to the grocery store and get food to make for dinners and stuff. And when you're when you're sitting in line at the grocery store with the guys, and and also there's a picture of you on the cover of a magazine in the checkout, and there's some there's this interest. It's an interesting experience, certainly. Yeah. That's definitely something. We don't all come across at the checkout line for shore. It's another one of those things we don't even consider happening. You know, we watch stuff like this. Okay. It is that time to get an important word from our sponsors. And then back with more from Ryan Sutter on Alec lace. And you're listening to first-class fatherhood brand Louis when it comes to choosing a product that's better than the rest. There's only one label that matters to me, and it's brand list. I don't wanna be wasting time sifting through the hundreds of brands at the big box stores only to pay a premium for disappointing quality brand this cuts out the middleman and delivers just what matters high quality products with pronounced ingredients all at simple, fair prices. And if you're apparent like, I am you're gonna love the premium diapers organic baby foods for your family pet. You got to check out the protein, I pet treats. 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It's a slam dunk deal dads get over to WWW dot seatgeek dot com and use the promo code I plans to get twenty dollars off your next ticket purchase seat dot com. And talking about your kids beginning to understand a little bit about how you guys met. What is it good age for them? Or what would you what age? Would you be comfortable with them watching the season or the episode which YouTube guys met for the first time? I don't think I'll ever be comfortable. I'm sure that they will eventually watch it. And I know actually the the bachelor is planning to release all of those initial episodes online format that everyone will be able to access coming up shortly. So they will have access to it. And I'm sure they'll be curious about it. And and want to watch it. I don't think I'll ever become trouble with them watching. It is it's a different. I don't think it's a time in your life. That your kids are meant to see, you know, there's a reason why people don't record their whole life at that time of that time of their life. So that they can they don't say that for their kids sale here. Here's here's the first time, your mom, and I like made out on a couch. You know, like, this is not no kids wanna see that. No parents want their kids to see that. I wouldn't think if just not comfortable Scituate. I mean, it's hard to watch. It's hard to watch like a romantic movie with your parents. You know, I let alone if your parents were actually in romantic movies. So, you know, I'll never be comfortable with it with with the with the wedding. I think that will be I I'll relish the opportunity to sit down and watch the wedding with them. 'cause there's great grandparents and grandparents and people that no longer exist in life that they'll be able to sort of see maybe get to know a little bit. And and that was a really fun experience than I in the focus was just on. Us in our future. And there were no other guys involved with it. And and so that that will be much more enjoyable experience. But I don't I don't look forward to the day that the kids by my sit down and watch. I don't anticipate my son will actually want to. But I know that like daughter will be curious probably wanna check it out. I would imagine. She would. I mean, I don't blame you for not really wanting them to see that's another one of these things. We don't think about or consider when we're watching shows like this. I mean, the human or emotional side effects all of it. But I mean, I would imagine that it's great to have a wedding video shot from so many different angles and piece together like a documentary. It's it's beautiful and a great keepsake for the future generations of your family to have that. Yeah. I mean that wedding was was just such a dream come true for trista and everything that she wanted to be and we were able to have all of our friends and family there, and they were all in some way, shape or form are. Are present on the in the video. So you're right that that will be that. It's just like it's just a really really good, you know, wedding video Mike everybody has a lot of people have a wedding video. Ours is is really well produced, and so that's a that's an asset that I think will always cherish, very cool. And speaking about watching shows, and streaming content right now, the technology is a struggle for many of us dads out here. How do you kinda handle screen time video games and all that stuff where your kids? Well, fortunately, we live we live in just outside of L, Colorado. So we live in a really active community in our kids are participants in that same kind of culture. So we, you know, we, and we camped, and we hike, and we people a lot about Dr titties it just eliminate. The availability of technology because you're just not in a place where it works. And so there's that part of it. And then we have pretty strict rules of about especially weekly use Monday through Friday US during school year, especially when it comes to when they can use their, ipads or phones, or whatever they have at the time. And then you know, we try not to. We don't prohibit it. You know? I mean, it's it's a part of life. And we want them to understand, you know, the benefits in the detriment of it. We want them to sh- to share their experiences online with us and not feel like they have to hide it. I think if you try to restrict it too much, then then they feel like they have to hide it in there, always hiding everything from you. You know, we try to have open as open a relationship with our kids as possible and at the age h they're at now, it's it's not difficult as they sort of get into their teenage years. I think it will probably become more difficult to to curb that and we'll have to be a little bit more careful of it. But we have had some some scary moments where we've overlooked, you know, some security. Issues with with social media's and YouTube, and that kind of stuff and kissing things that we would have preferred them Nacho scene. And we learn those lessons just like every other parent and try to add security and keep track of things where you know, process is especially good about, you know, looking at their ipads, and seeing who, you know, who they are chats are with and making sure that it's just their friends and their schoolmates their teachers, and the people that are on that they're supposed to be talking to and they're not, you know, of using those privileges. And but it's a tricky world. I mean, it's something that you, and I didn't have to deal with when we were kids in our parents didn't have to deal with with us growing up. And so it's a har- those are hard Waterston advocate, and we're just kind of trying to do the best. We can to stay informed and and make decisions along the way. Yeah. I hear you on that our oldest is about to be a teenager. So we're right in the thick of it ourselves since your kids are always in that Colorado environment. Do they have a favorite vacation spot to the enjoy going to the beach when they get the chance you hit the nail on the head? It's my daughter, especially low beach IMAX, both our kids are are well, especially Blakely, she loves being in the water. She loves diving snorkeling, we did these sort of hassle going half scuba program called Snooka ironically, where you can kind of stay underwater for a long time with the scuba respirator. And they both just say love all that kind of stuff. So anything is so stated with the beach the ocean fish. They can't get enough of and yell especially I think living in the mountains. Yeah. There. I don't know that they necessarily even appreciate the fact that that they get to live in the mountains because if all they know so for them visiting even we took him to New York City a couple years ago, and they were just it was actually there. It's funny. Their favorite memory of that was being it giant rat on the subway because they just don't see rats, and they don't see the subway, and they just the city experienced that you know, that so many people are used to so foreign to them living in this little small rural mountain community that they even they even loved those types of -cation. So I think they under appreciate the fact that they get to live in, you know, the rocky mountains, but it definitely gives them a strong appreciation for vacation to the beach into the city, and you know, anywhere else. We are fortunate to go. Yeah. I can hear you. You on that as well. Ryan because for almost twenty years I worked in a railroad yard in the shadow of the World Trade Center and seeing the skyline of New York City every day, we're kind of just immune to it yet. People come from all over the world just to see it and take pictures, and you know, the beauty and the wonder of it all we kinda just take for granted. I guess we should pay a little bit more attention of it. But you know, it's just a normal backdrop for us. Yeah. You're exactly right. All right. You've had quite the journey here. So far what kind of goals? Do you have for the future? Do you have any other productions in the making you're working on anything right now? That's coming up. Now. Nothing special. You know, I think I'm in this sort of vice portion of of life, and I've had this this fire career that lasted for a long time and the experiences that went with that. And I'm I'm now in the process of trying to create the second half of my life that you know, somehow lived up to the first half. I'm not, you know, anxious to get back into the public eye. That was kind of a one time deal for me. But I have enjoyed. I have enjoyed the experiences that has afforded as far as meeting people in. This is an example of that, you know, getting to talk to you. And you know, you meet lots of new people and have these sort of fun, even if they're short term fifteen minute conversations experiences of that nature that I I start to enjoy more. And I'm I'm trying to seek more of those types of opportunities. Just to see kind of what what life what? The potential of life. You know, what what life holds for me, you know, moving into the second half of it. So I I haven't defined really inclusively what I wanna do with the rest of them to sort of experimenting around and trying to enjoy, you know, the position that I'm in now and the age that my kids are and the, you know, my wife and friends and and develop new and exciting experiences. So I I wish I had a little more conclusive information or a little bit more of a definition or defined path to to share with you. But I really don't it's kind of an adventure as this point. Okay. Good stuff. All right. Last thing. I'm gonna hit you with here. Ryan, I love to ask all the dads. Get on the podcast, what type of advice? Do you have that new dad or for that about to be father who's out there listening? I think a question actually. You know, I think I think fatherhood is is such a unique and. Well, unique experience I think there's nothing that I've come across in life that you can actually that actually exemplifies more of that whole you have to actually live it to understand it a loss. You know? 'cause people will always tell you a. Yeah, I'm sure you you you you get a chance to talk to a lot of expecting fathers, and you can tell them how great it isn't how life changing it is. And how much it will change your perspective on life? But until you actually are in it in experiencing it never really fully grasp what that means. And I think that's super exciting. They're very you opportunities in life that can't be explained with words, or with pictures, or in some other form of communication, and this is one of them becoming a parent is one of those things where unless you are unless you are a parent. You just can't understand how great it is. And and so that's kind of what I would say. Is, you know, don't try to figure it all out at once? And don't try to understand it. Just enjoy it. You know, everybody. Everybody's going through. Everybody's done it. And there's no there's no rule book. There's no, you know, we talked about social media and all this sort of stuff. But right from the get-go, you're you're confronted with questions of you know, what I chose to get and how do you feed your kids? And you know, what do you do the first time they have a runny nose and all this stuff that you just don't have answers to. But you just have to embrace it as this really wonderful opportunity to to create a person. And it's it's it's just yeah. I I don't really have the words for it. But it's it's an experience that I I hope people really relish because it's important very well said I love the message. You are a first class father and a half to say Ryan Sutter. Thank you so much. Give me a few minutes of your time on first glance bothered. Yeah. I think thanks very patience with me too. Okay. I'm back to close things out and just one second here. Back to wrap things up here. Firstly fatherhood. I gotta give a special. Thank you. What's again to Ryan solder for giving me a few minutes of his time here, and it was so cool. Please at me up on Twitter guys drop me that over on Instagram. Let me know what you thought about today's episode. I always loved to read your feedback. And then lock it in our bachelor tribute continues tomorrow with a man who was the runner up on the bachelorette, and then became the bachelor himself. He was also a first last father through it all so it's gonna be great listened to his perspective of it. So please subscribe to the podcast and do not keep it a secret. Let every father that's in your contact list neighborhood know about the show here. That's all I got for you guys today. Tune in tomorrow, I'm Alec lace. You have been listening to firstly fatherhood. And please remember guys. We are not babysitters. We are farmers and we're not just far. There's we all first-class bothers. Man. So. Sometime. I open. No.

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Amanpour: Leon Panetta, Jack Harries, Farhana Yamin and Dr. Nadine Burke Harris

Amanpour

59:24 min | 1 year ago

Amanpour: Leon Panetta, Jack Harries, Farhana Yamin and Dr. Nadine Burke Harris

"Unified this is the greatest switch on the history of our country but now a second whistle blower comes forward as the impeachment inquiry intensifies one and welcome to import here's what's coming up. Republicans have been very ars issues with a foreign leader what he did was asked that foreign leader to conduct an investigation of a political opponent here in the United States that violates federal law and it violates the president's office that's a big difference between realize these encounters entreaties of the president's with former foreign parthenis nations do this nations now the impeachment inquiry is gaining steam the lawyer representing both whistle blows confirms that his latest client works in the intelligence community and these actions this week key. US officials named in this controversy will be testifying before Congress while sectors state Mike pompeo desperately tries to leader Jingping over trade and democracy in Hong Kong all of this in pursuit of his own domestic political agenda. Here's the president what other presidents have done in conversation with this president has done can I ask you something I mean he is a cabinet secretary you were a cabinet sector China should start an investigation into the Biden because what happened in China is just about as bad as what happened with Defense Secretary and Congressman he has been there and he's done all of that so welcome back to the program Leon Panetta thanks for joining us most to be with you welcome to the program everyone I'm Christiane Amanpour inland to President Trump calls it a witch hunt but with a second whistle blower coming forward with Ukraine so what will the Republican Party do now many are weighing their own political futures a few speaking out against not normal at all and frankly violates the law because what the president did is not simply deal with foreign give us a reality check how normal is the president's encounters and entreaties with the Ukrainian president or in fact the Chinese president in this regard World Estate Pompeo why is he saying this stuff and and does he know better and if he doesn't know any better could he be in danger rebellion hits the streets again environmental activists want their protests hood around the world leading campaign has Jack Harrison climate lawyer Farhana mean who can help us dissect whether this is in fact just business as usual joins me from California now and here's Leon Panetta former CIA director White House Chief of staff the listen first of all you just heard Secretary Pompeo saying this is normal this is win win we say I'll scratch your back if you scratch my back yes you didn't know existed California's Surgeon General Dr Jean Burke harassed explains the lifelong impact of childhood adversity on why they are risking arrest and I see a really important role of surgeon general to soundly alarm on the public health crisis work together and they say boy goodness gracious if you can help me with X. we'll help you achieve why this is what partnerships do it's win win a key inside his first hand knowledge regarding the president's controversial call with the president of Ukraine trump is also under fierce criticism for his attempt to bargain with the Chinese I to do to somehow divert attention from that fact it's not working the reality is they can they can attack whistle blowers they can attack Democrats they can attack others in this process and they can try to say that somehow this is a normal conversation the president doesn't have a good defense the transcript that was released basically confirms that the president asked a four just to be held accountable. I'm going to get to the whistle blows in a moment because the lawyer confirms that they are in the intelligence community is being written up Elf of of somehow publicly acceding to what you are saying is breaking the law I think Mike Pompeo does no frankly but he's trying to do whatever he can to try and defend the President the problem is there isn't a defense here an leader to do him a favor and investigate a political opponent in this country that's in the transcript and no matter what they Out The consequence of the president of the United States telling the leader of a dictatorship China that he will stay but the bottom line is that that transcript is evidence of violating the law by the President United States and it's for that reason that the president has him to investigate the Biden's but on the issue of selling Democrats down the river to the leader of China can you just talk me through that are experienced in the White House and so he's basically operating by his own instincts and very frankly he doesn't have either the experience or the knowledge to be able to engage but he's doing it on his own and that's obvious here it does because it's not rational he's basically a striking out he doesn't have any key advisers ah this this is this is a president who is operating without any rules and it shows and the first one was actually a CIA official and you obviously was aided by the way so as Secretary Pale directed but I wanna ask you first silent on democratic protests in Hong Kong in return for X Y and Z in this regard trade and then also in a separate conversation states is one of two things either he doesn't understand wrongdoing and to a large extent he's basically off and we have a constitution to protect foreign policy to protect an allies to to partner with and democracy movements to support so let me ask you this now he's doing that or he's trying to basically do these steps in order to divert attention from the issue up and assume their responsibility as elected leaders in the oath day they make to the constitution to basically proceed when there is in the conversation with the Chinese leaders to say what he said and trying to trade trade off opposition to the Senator Mitt Romney who was once a presidential contender has said and this is in regard to China and and what the President yes and objective and dedicated way or is this simply going to be another chapter in the political gridlock that has really Hong Kong situation in exchange for the Chinese helping him and and going after Democrats you know oh says it strains credulity to suggest that this is anything other than politically motivated basically in response to president trump's claim that what he's just terms of our ability to enforce the constitution let me just you know everybody's trying to figure out at what point does the Republican Party say enough is enough our country is going to pay a price for this we're paying a price in terms of our foreign policy our national security and very frankly we're paying a price in by a constituent about all of this and this is how it went where is the line win are you guys GonNa say enough he said his phone call was perfect the things he said are perfect and therefore I went ahead and asked the Chinese to invest what paralyzed by this old impeachment process and there was a town hall meeting in Iowa and Senator There Joni Ernst Republican was questioned their responsibility as elected leaders it's true for the Democrats and frankly it's true for the Republicans are are they going to rise said to be paying when the only American citizen the president trump singles out for China's investigation is political opponent in the midst of the Democratic nomination trying to do is clean out a corruption mess and to be the anti-corruption avenging Angel Pro President of the United us as members of Congress to continue working with our allies making sure that we remain strong in the face of adversity frankly what what happens to our democracy and what happens to our constitution well I've mentioned a few people on the on the Republican side are talking out notably that he obviously doesn't have a good defense for I think I think the Republicans have a serious moment here to face for not for not coming together and trying to restore our foreign policy in this country we don't have a foreign policy right a violation of the law by the president of the United States to implement the processes that will hold that president accountable are they going to do that and do it in a series we have a president who tweets and we're paying a terrible price for that paying a price in the Middle East we're praying a price with Iran in shambles and I think the Republicans which have a party that has traditionally supported strong foreign policy that I it it's it's very difficult to try to rationalize in any way with this president a political backlash against the Republicans they've got to do a serious job here of inquiry looking at the facts looking at the evidence and build I have a real serious question of conscience here as to whether or not they tried to restore that foreign policy and what the United States then stand up and say you know what I'm not backing any of this I can say yea nay whatever president is going to say what the president is going to do it's up create a political opponent in this country as if blatantly saying it's not really a violation of the wall either to work on Foreign Policy Issues Colin Powell Secretary Colin Powell just within the last few days criticized the Republicans I just quoted Mitt Romney he also said the calls to Ukraine and China were quote are poor appalling but but critics are saying that the Republicans appear to be and and not get wrapped up in the impeachment process but unfortunately when there is clear evidence of a violation by the president such as we you know I I think she was trying to try to indicate that somehow Republicans are are continuing light up Washington and made a dysfunctional that's what's facing them and it's really a choice they're going to have to make that choice will determine very I think speaker Pelosi did her best to try to focus on issues that are impacting on the country focus on the twenty twenty election wchs that's a serious threshold for them and frankly the Democrats have to face the same threshold they've got to be careful not to just turn this into a bye bye additional whistle blowers but also by the evidence that we're hearing from our State Department representatives in the area all of them make very clear Russian but to investigate that issue to conduct an inquiry that could lead to impeachment process that's what they're responsible come together as to what we ought to do in order to make sure we hold the president of the United States accountable under our constitution so I'm does that satisfy you that also I mean I'm not quite sure what she was saying Joe Senator Ernst what do you think she was saying the evidence involved here to look at all of the facts to weigh the testimony of the various witnesses that are going to be presented and then four and the speaker and the Democrats and I think the Republicans frankly should do the same they ought to join in an effort to find out intelligence community and presumably elsewhere this is a good thing right absolutely the whole point of the whistle blower law was Fishman proceedings much much earlier and it's almost then are saying that the president is begging for this he's leaving them with absolutely no choice Nancy Pelosi has done her level best not to get to this point she is actually being under a huge amount of pressure from the more progressive members of her party who want to bring in we're paying a price with North Korea we're paying a price with Russia with China no matter where you look our foreign policy is a complaint particularly the first whistle blower and the complaint that was presented it clearly was a careful well-drafted good for in the world or whether they back off try to stay on the sidelines and try to just simply engage in political attacks to allow those that are within government who see a possible crime or a fraud or an abuse to be able to report being forward to reveal a possible crime in this case the whistle blowers presented what I think is a very indepth do you agree with that do you think is correct that the Democrats have brought now this impeachment inquiry then in a federal law when that evidence is there the speaker and very frankly the members of Congress have no alternative under our constitution being a case that they can present not just to the Congress but to the American people let me ask you that because clearly you know better than I do that the speaker of the House Democrats it and not have to suffer retaliation that's the whole point of the whistle blower law as that they ought to be protected income that individual was appalled by the fact that the president would ask a foreign leader to get involved in American politics and that's again let me just get back to the whistle blows you presumably you ahead of the CIA you believe these whistle blows and the laws that protect them and enable them in the State Department and it complaint that referred to all the facts here involved in this phone discussion by the president of the United States exactly what they did well secretary Panetta it looks like to key officials will be testifying before Congress one of them apparently is the former problems for the US now what does Putin get out of all of this given that for a period of time military aid to Ukraine which was fighting Putin's guy what frankly CIA officers are obligated to do if they see a violation of the law they are obligated to come forward and that's something that both Rudy Giuliani and president trump grabbed a hold of pursuant to Putin surging and they've continued to institutions it was to Ukraine and that phony conspiracy theory has been debunked time and time again by a by those efforts look Putin is the one who planted the idea in in president trump's head and rudy we had I mean after all this is a transcript that was released by the president himself and then backed up by a whistle blower complaint and continues to be corroborated by the our president was asking foreign leader to help him investigate a political opponent which has said is is that the one individual who's enjoying this most of all splatter Mir Putin his whole goal is to destabilize the president trump was withholding military aid to Ukraine to fight off Russians Russians who are trying to get bits of eastern Ukraine and appearance withheld that aid in order to force them to investigate a political opponent in this country and so those are the facts Roy Rudy Giuliani who said that she wasn't being helpful enough to his his 'cause now I understand she also has a duty to reported the stuff and apparently dude reported I think back up the chain but another person who will be testifying or at least one of the others named in all of this is Volka he is the current US special who worked with us to fight against Isis and destroy the caliphate there and what we're doing is abandoning them putting a knife in their back and the US ambassador to Ukraine who has you know because of this transcript and the reporting she was recalled she was basically fired by president trump on the advice of his personal the United States of America that's been their primary mission for a number of years and to see what's going on in this country going back to the two thousand sixteen hey guys this is connor rogers an active lifestyle tons of travel during football season constantly on the Juliani basically picked it up that it was not Russia that was involved into twenty sixteen intelligence attack on our country and on our election is was being withheld what how does Putin gained from all of this now I don't think there's any question the president in withholding military aid to the Ukraine to give them the help they need in order to confront Russian was empty Ukraine and when all of this was going on he said I think it's crazy to withhold security assistance for help with political campaign so this goes to the accuracy essentially handing Syria over to isis Russia and Iran it is the worst of all worlds What this president is doing ah I'm afraid this is another example of the president's failed foreign policy what he's doing is put a knife in the backs of our allies the Kurds we depend on allies to work with us and when you abandon those allies after they put their lives on the line in order to help but go ahead after isis that is that's a message to the world that the United States cannot be trusted Leon Panetta thank you so much these are really really fraught times aren't ambbassador who is the show Jay calls the decision by the White House to withhold aid to Ukraine a nightmare scenario so let's get 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Warner Stop Wasting your weekends in stores make it election and what they tried to do and what's happening today only I think affirms for Putin the fact that the United States has been weakened with Roman you can get medical care for ed if appropriate from the comfort and privacy of your own home you can handle everything online in a convenient discreet manner getting tribal bring our soldiers home we'll fight where it's to our benefit and only fight to win what are your thoughts obviously people want to end endless wars but what are your thoughts about American why to prove that somehow that was the case and so they're doing Putin's bidding what they're doing is ultimately weakening the Ukraine and if you think I'm lying give it a try you can keep the first pair of underwear and they'll still refund you no questions asked for twenty percent off your first order visit Matt I'm sorry I just wanted to do another question because it's about Syria and the president is now saying that they're all going to be withdrawn the US forces and that you know who knows allies on the ground who looked like now being left to the mercies of either Assad on one side or other one on the other side Z. and get premium topnotch fabric with Mac wellman dot com don't forget that Promo Code Warner for a sweet twenty percent discount guys are terrible soft Tober now obviously another huge issue the president as we know has a Yaman is an environmental lawyer who's worked on major treaties including the Paris accord and joining me now in the studio welcome to the program I'm jack taking care of their health whether it's a knee injury bad back or something worse guys usually more comfortable rub some dirt on it than seeing a doctor I'm guilty of it myself what Turkey might do because we know that Turkey wants to remove the Kurdish allies of the US from that border area trump tweets it's time for us to get out of these ridiculous endless wars many in sixty countries and they have a blunt message to the governments of the world they say this is the moment of truth you are not doing enough to everybody else rebel things are changing yes they are and I think that's the reason why we want people to keep continuing to come out on the streets it is working oh I can't sacrifice style comfort and thanks Mak well I don't have to anymore I'm sure you guys can't stand shopping but it's easy and takes no time to place in can be delivered in discreet packaging right to your door with free two day shipping guys go talk to the doctor erectile dysfunction can be tough to tackle but it's really important to get checked legislation but not enough is being done to actually implement those declarations as it were of intent and so we need people to come out and say month off but the majority of countries is still failing to meet targets agreed under the Paris accords Jack Harris of extinction rebellion was arrested in those earlier protests and for Oy and essentially weakens the United States is position not only in the Middle East but we can star position with regards to our allies lost since since April we have the UK parliament pass a motion declaring a climate emergency? We have the net zero targets being passed pull the United States out of the Paris climate accord's now the climate campaign that's called extinction rebellion says that it's gone truly global today with protests aimed at disruption same is true for erectile dysfunction study shows seventy percent of guys who experience eighty don't get treated for it thankfully Roman created an easy way to chat with a doctor online teenager Greta Thunberg and her school strikes for the climate the political tide does seem to be changing this year's U N General Assembly was devoted to the climate crisis they're on their website the underwear shirts and sweats are perfect for workouts or when you're on the move this is the most comfortable clothing I own making it hard to go back to anything else when I hit the streets last spring more than a thousand activists were arrested in London own and scores of them were actually prosecuted building on the dramatic success of the sweetest out with Roman it's easy to connect with Dr just go to get Roman dot com slash on poor to get a free online visit and free two day shipping that's get Roman dot com so yes yeah and I think very specifically here in the UK governments need to enhance what their actions and policies right now so a month what needs to happen because there's not enough progress being made to fulfill even the things that were put in place back in April so just so that we have a free Tom Slash Amanpour for a free visit to get started get Roman dot com slash on poor the MLB postseason one pitch behind their legally binding carbon budgets the UK's not meeting its own legally mandated budget for the next five years in the five years after that so it by Paris so that's what the protests all over the wilder about your weather the UN secretary general asked countries and heads of state to come forward with the a good having a a nice goal for twenty fifty if you're failing with the five year progress points put in place in our domestic legislation and also demand the streets but you know in Congress in European Parliament in in parliament here do you think your four hundred who worked so long on these accords around what you're doing in the streets actually focus on the security and focus on whether you should actually be out there doing things that get you arrested darted simple just go to get Roman dot com slash Amanpour and complete an online visit if your doctor decides the treatment would be appropriate they can prescribe genuine medication that you're at it again we on the streets today I was on the streets today what are you in hope that today will do that maybe it didn't do last last April read out what extinction says you know it's about rebelling and some have said it's about disruption that's the whole point arrest speak with former CIA director and defense secretary Leon Panetta about what's at stake for the country and the world then extinction Matt so let me ask you both in I mean I did say that actually the tide does seem to be turning people seem to be taking this much more seriously not just in the I think last April was the beginning of something that is growing exponentially and we'll probably carry on fine tie lifetime we're not seeing enough action by governments and we'RE GONNA keep coming out it's all the point they're not just a byproduct so both of you and maybe at the same rebellion movement have actually got yourselves arrested you glue took took great care to to not injure people so I think in this country you know we are fortunate that we have policing which is enables protests the next Paris commitments which are due next year's thirty five years Harris's already five years old and not not many of the big countries have come forward with commitments they're all backsliding into the streets and talk governments react accordingly we are in the midst of a climate crisis and we're not seeing that reflected by governments or in policy and so we're just gonNA keep going out onto the streets until demands nutmeg which is not the incentive chummy something because I find this very interesting and weirdly or maybe not with me but a lot of the media attention a lot of the interviews even today worked very hard with a solvants and sort of a you know put a policy and very gently remove that so it is the police the police and they were you know just twelve years limit temperature rise no more than one point five degrees if we want to teach on this planet Carney's temperatures at one point one degrees that's just point four degrees more carney went on one swing of the bat and turn to ties of October. PBS is the home of the two thousand Nineteen National League postseason track for the Ottawa we're on track for two or three degrees of warming and what that means if we hit two or three degrees won't be it means no one my age has a feature they don't have a hopeful future on this planet and what exactly are you asking governments to do right now I mean what what what are you on the streets for right now today essentially I didn't have three central demands the first is to act also for governments to acknowledge the crisis we're in and to act on it do though they aren't but then not taking the right measures measures they need to be they're not acting enough right we know on on on track to the Paris Agreement Expos lost his I think with implements panel climate change and share wherever the world's leading experts gathered together in the IPC they say we've got yourself outside Shell headquarters you glued yourself or you did something right do myself out the national petroleum it's just how do you get the glue off how do they a young person as we've Seen Greta from bug I think you're right to be angry and to them on the habits each I think any person would agree with that that's right a human rights that we have red and green washed and have still continuing to pursue fossil fuel investments over the top five companies fossil fuel company replace they was in fact in my case waiting to hear what charges will will be made but the reason I broke the law is because companies like Shell have posture Jack Sage Down to twelve they've been part of the student strikes they've been out rebelling in their own ways and I really feel that as a parent towards fossil fuel production that's ninety seven percent of their billions and billions of dollars are going towards expanding production so for me as a lawyer is your status your stature and your life you are young man who's GonNa self arrested who life is in play right now Jack But your actions inspired me actually and I feel it's my generation it's not for our young people to compromise their future we've already that's one of the reasons why I'm there and we'll so there's a lawyer I can understand the navigate the legal system so I feel I would rather take that risk on I would rather they didn't I felt very happy to go away in handcuffs and show the criminal damage is still going on and in biological very unaccountable way so for me that was the from is their future is for us to stand up and there are many many many older activists who for that reason come forward also mother my have children the test of how credible our effort is your lawyer you're also a code drafter prepare of international treaties you have because I was terrified I was really scared is my first time ever sort of stepping across the boundaries of law and I think it's important to point these really ordinary people sacrificing their liberty it but I feel was a young person that I out of options we have known about this issue thirty years my mom was a climate actress when I was fourteen I've watched people take to the streets over and over again I have to do that greater and and a year making clear and yet it's them who making able stand up or sit up and take notice season to spend taxpayers money you know essentially deterring and you know coming down hard line for activism which the polit- politicians say services in the future of which wasn't millions of terrified yeah and I was there actually when he was arrested I was outside and let me tell you I think what's really what were you what were you charged with charged in his initiative criminal damage and aggravated trespass the criminal damage was thrown out in the first half it was essentially fabricated by the hotel and the trespasses being obsolete land and an acting on on that however I was never asked to leave the land was never given it's an extraordinary times these on professional activist people who enjoy causing disturbances we may because it says right now and if that's the case we're sorry but that is to prevent far greater an element of harm he says that the that you're not taking into account do you feel huge amount it's just a small disruption here and there it is changing the lie systems on earth and most of the frontline communities in many parts of the world are beyond their coping capacities oh you have been to court you're waiting for the verdict is that right I'm waiting for the verdict I'll be on call on Wednesday to receive the verdict but even the charges against me have significantly impacted my life I've lost jobs the drought situation that has made large parts of the country unlivable and which led to six million people being internally displaced so these kinds of warning I was just simply arrested and that's what's being getting cool that's not supposed to come to my house but we'll find out Wednesday whether what what's the worst that could happen to you I suppose the worst will be a criminal record perhaps Bahamas you report the devastation of many of the small islands and people need to to really take that to heart now it's beyond the point at a conditional discharge via temporary criminal record it could be a fine it could be community service and you who have been a lawyer and active in in all of these I've been told orig- and I feel our legal systems must be more measured and must be more gracious in terms of allowing loaf protests on an issue which affects everyone so that I saw that you were doing a piece on Syria earlier we all know that actually one of the underlying factors behind the Syrian conflict is the water I'm sure that that will continue and I think what people have to look at is not just the disruption to everyday life for every day living in London being arrested but never have so many actually being processed through the courts why do you think that's happening courtrooms have been specifically there's absolutely no the protests have been designed so there is no harm done that you know ambulances can pass there is complete safety assured as much as flakes this kinds of devastation is what is the background to the disruption that is being taken that is taking place here today and I have to say that the people it won't deter me I hear people like Jack I see my own children I see the children in the world's asking adults to step up and to act with more brave nece and let me let me read you or play you actually one of these quotes I'm Richard Walton who probably you're aware of his the former head of the mets counter-terrorism come on and he's called for different protests laws as you were fourteen years old the message does seem to be getting through and interestingly I read also about a lot of retirees and grandparents rankings in the eye and say that I did something in New York the Board of Education there on climate protest day allowed one and a half million children to leave school too being obstructed with that people would not be able to reach hospitals You know there was an element of harm that people are underestimating with this this obstruction if you like of living Spain Paris taking nonviolent civil resistance against their governments to demand action this is not just in the UK this is global and it's growing isn't happening fast enough no is the greatest moral failure of our time do you think the message is getting through Jack Europe protester young you've been doing this as you said with your mom's capitals disease they have to look at devastation that is going on in many parts of all right now right here you report the wildfires report the devastation aw is absolutely been justified you know so I I feel it's indicative and and rather heavy handed approach and that's what we're seeing also today and it won't be saying that people who are prepared to take part in nonviolent direct action we're showing more climate leadership then government ministers said in the future won't be those peacefully blockading bridges this is there has never been so many activists who've been arrested and then sent to the courses and there are many occasions when activists have all sorts of different protests and people who are going with their kids to these demonstrations figuring out how to get into this activism so that they can a- some of them say look their kids and into perspective exactly how existential this is and what everybody's doing your generation is doing with the help of people like yourself excellence with everyone from the police is this different kind of policing than in other kinds of protests early think well we've been completely peaceful on all occasions blocking roads that history judges badly it will be those who judge there is and block their ears or other who shut their eyes and block their ears the failure to avert the climate catastrophe there is of course of rights to an poo people to protest but there are other rights to when people have a right to go about their business in London today go so it's not glamorous gang arrested it's the first time I've ever been arrested I didn't out be arrested it's not something I would do in my life and its effects my life seriously and that Farhana obviously talked to us about her protest outside Shell the company says it recognizes the significance of climate change and quote a key role for society and for all is to find ways to provide much more energy while limiting the amount of carbon dioxide produce so it is the young of course who bear the brunt of the current generation's failure be in place saying the current laws a two week and this is this is what he said about the right of people to play what he said to the radio today Heidi research on a different level is now finding that adversity or trauma experienced in childhood can not only show up in the mental health of adults but that's why out in the streets does it give me hope yes and I know that I will commit the rest of my life to this issue and there is such a a history of could also be harmful to physical health our next guest is devoted her career to that research Dr now Dean Harris is a pediatrician she's the first and current how significantly one's body can be shaped by all the deepest stresses of Childhood Dr Nadine Burke Harris Thank you so much for joining us in general if California and she has a new book out called the deepest well healing the long term effects of childhood adversity she sat down with Michelle Martin to talk about it thank you for having me so I'm going to start with your job you are the surgeon general of California you're actually the first to hold that position so a lot of people think of the surgeon general of the united very important nonviolent resenting go back to Gandhi gold away to the anti new protests and things like that yeah I mean I mean you feel versity have on later life hell I see a really important role of surgeon general to sound the alarm on the public health crisis you didn't so I think people have to take this and let me read what Caroline Lucas of the Green party whose I mean obviously it's the Green Party and she's obviously defending all of you who are facing states is the person who sounded the alarm about smoking I mean this is back in the day like I know maybe your doctor smokes but guess what smoking's bad for you do you have a similar crisis so the definition of a public health crisis is something that affects a lot of people and the effects are at the research on adverse childhood experience because riots in the streets but we look those people and we consider them to be legends and I you know I hope that's what happens to extinction is causing people discomfort and asked more than seventeen thousand adults about ten categories of adverse childhood experiences ranging from abuse or neglect to growing up rests on that day does that give you encouragement yeah the message is getting through in that sense I do hope we have to remember the extinct Trevelyan is just eleven months old right so eleven months ago today I sit outside are kind of focused that there's something that you really need to sound the alarm about with the public a lot of focus is on adverse childhood experiences and the impacts that earlier with a parent who has substance dependent or mentally ill or experiencing domestic violence and what they found Downing Street and declared a rebellion against the government and I never could have imagined it would have grown it's where it was to where it is today started with a hundred people outside the House apartment and a few hundred letters write to them we have options it's a crisis and I felt this was the only thing I could do and it's worth saying as well my hands came off the door because I didn't put enough Luanne early adversity what makes you say that this has been a focus of your work for some time now you know your core discipline is that you're a pediatrician so why do you say that this is an urgent public I know existed and the single greatest on address public health threat that is facing our nation today is this issue of is actually came from this major research study that was done by the CDC at the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and Kaiser Permanente in which the like you stepping up I feel we stand on the shoulders of giants and if you look back on those social movements at the time they were incredibly controversial people were hated many people my age are also starting to realize they never be able to bring Jones the world and that is a really devastating thought and she it's really important thought to end on because it just puts people and to be honest there lots of times when bridges are shut down and the chief doesn't work or that there is a strike at the airport and you know people go on holiday Sir it's also more than double for chronic lung disease it's triple for depression it's four and a half times for Alzheimer's it's eleven times have a Eureka moment I sure did so my experience was I when I finished my residency training at Stanford I meets the criteria for a public health crisis it affects a lot of people and the effects are really significant. What is it Joe Jew that connection for you I mean did and what is behind this connection between early adversity and all of these kids I'm saying with asthma and Adhd an auto immune disorders or more adverse childhood experiences your risk for heart disease the number one killer in the United States of America is more than double for Kim and having a background doing training in public health right what we learned is that if you're a doctor at one hundred people drink from a well on it to go and work in a place where I felt I was needed and so I opened a clinic and a very low income under-resourced neighborhood of San Francisco my patients who had experienced significant adversity is like having a parent who was substance dependent or mentally ill or who getting in the way on a daily basis today but we'll look back and say thank God the Extinction Ryan sounded the alarm we acted when we could at least are we out say that to my children if indeed do you have kids would experienced abuse that their health outcomes were significantly worse than my patients who had an experience that and walked five bridges and we had the rebellion and APR I lost to you and now we have today which is an international rebellion is there are people all around the world and New Zealand so I think they were a lot of people getting the message now and people are not just walking the walk but they're voting as well and whether and so that that background in public health drew me to dive into the research to understand wait a minute why am I seeing it's in Europe in the United States whoever it is says if you did come down it is a joyous occasion of celebration of life and today we were both offerings wedding on Westminster Bridge and is an absolute goodies and Michael was trying to improve those outcomes and as I was seeing my patients over and over again what I saw was that Oh and my goal was to address health disparities rate we see unequal outcomes in vulnerable in life it isn't violent and aggressive is celebration of life they should come Jack Harris Farhana Yemane thank you both indeed coming in so we just have to mention because I think that our implicit association with these negative health outcomes and poverty is kind of what no response it's your body's Stress Response Right and when folks are exposed to high doses of adversity that actually changes the structure and function of I think allowed us for so long to overlook that there may be a biological link between adversity and poor health allowed people to recognize Oh you know what infection isn't caused by foul air it's actually caused by these little critters we couldn't see them before because we didn't have a way of James Your risk for eight out of ten of the leading causes of death in the United States of America is dramatically increased that it's basic human biology and the and the thing about this we have to recognize that just as the invention of the microscope ah to thirds of individuals had experienced at least one of these things on one in eight had experienced for more things now if you've experienced field of science has really emerged largely because of these advances in technology that help us understand oh it's this basic biological of seeing them well now the invention of functional MRI is genomics proteomics metabolism appellation that was seventy percent Caucasian seventy percent college educated all of them were privately insured they were all members of Kaiser right and it's funny children's developing brains they're developing immune systems their hormonal systems and even the way their DNA is red and transcribed we couldn't the two rounds of very powerful medications to keep her out of the hospital because her asthma was so bad and as I sat down to us Asian that before give me an example if you would about some of the things that you're talking about here and the way this plays out and I'm thinking about one from your book mix allows us now to measure a way we've never been able to have the impact our environments have on our biology and so this dot com wealthy kids can experience these things and have adverse experiences kids without resources it's not race specific you're saying it's not specific to any group if everybody residency at Stanford they trained us on on asthma triggers right and they say oh there's pet dander pollen and pollution and all of these things and oh my hear you say that and think well really what you're talking about is poverty new so this CDC study this adverse childhood experiences study it was done everything is a young woman when you asked her mom who had asthma attacks and you ask your mom like what are some of the triggers and she said well isn't that stress response can become overactive and the second piece is that when children in in particular are exposed to high doses of adversity again? Okay what are the asthma triggers that we didn't cover right like you know I felt like we did everything that was trained to do and I said is there anything else that you I can think of her anytime that you notice that her asthma tends to act up and she said she said Yeah I noticed that her her asthma tends to act up when her dad punches a hole in the wall there you really don't want to be calculating odds right so it activates the fear center and turns down the executive functioning and that's perfectly fine if you were if we're you say that there are actually there is strong evidence to suggest that this plays out in adulthood yeah so one of the things what is the biological mechanism for that link and that's what pushed me into the science and then how might that play out later in life right and and that is what led me to this groundbreaking research from the CDC and The field of research that cannot some people it actually kind of turns turns up the the setting on our stress Thermostat so that the way our bodies respond because their brains and bodies are just developing it actually changes their developmental trajectory so I call it the the

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CIPS US Election Special Series: Episode 4 - Asia

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CIPS US Election Special Series: Episode 4 - Asia

"This is the most important election in the history of our country united we can and will overcome this season of darkness in America off. Welcome to what's at stake for the world global perspectives on the US elections a podcast series from sips the center for international policy studies at the University of Ottawa. I'm Christopher Bishop Council on Foreign Relations International Affairs fellow in Canada, and I'll be your host for this edition of the podcast which focuses on Asia. Asia is home to more than half the world's population and according to some experts now accounts for over half the world's GDP, but Asia is also critically important for a host of other issues from International Security and climate change to Human Rights and public health office sits take for Asia in this year's us elections. And how does Asia see the two candidates talk about these issues. I'm pleased to welcome to Old Friends shun Wang Deputy managing editor at seishi media joining us waging and Tosh me nahara professor at a university and chairman of the research institute for Indo Pacific Affairs joining us from Kobe. Japan gentleman, welcome to the podcast. Thank you. Thank you for the warm. Welcome. I should I should add a disclaimer here that no one can possibly talk about Asia or about what Asians think in just thirty minutes even with experts from Asia's too long to economies. The continent is just too big and too diverse, but I also don't think you can talk about Asia or what Asians think without talking to experts from China and Japan. So I would suggest that this podcast is the beginning of the conversation and certainly not the end Sean. Let me start with you for Americans China is the biggest foreign policy issue in this election both because of the ongoing u.s. Trying to trade war and because of the coronavirus which the Trump Administration has blamed on China. How does China see the u.s. Election and how does it see the candidates? Thank you. Thank you Christopher for having us. I think our biggest issue concerning Chinese leadership as well as trans public is that who will win White House? So if Joe Biden wins the White House dog Does that mean a change of change of course in a net four years this channel us relations because as we know as you mentioned let the trade war and take all the time when you know, escalating libraries, you know, Taiwan issue. So all you know really cloud in the Sino us relations, I think and so a lot of people are in town home. It's supposed Mystic about the Outlook of a list of most important relationship in the world. So does that mean Biden's presidency? Well challenge things for better off for a short time and seeing this big uncertainty. So the other side of the coin is that if we are Trump win is re-election Lemmings. It may institutionalize is anti-china, you know Behavior and the rhetoric and making things worse off in the next four years means let us handle your reservations made, you know, you know into a dead Fallout Burton and choppy choppy water in the next four years. Definitely. I think this is a top concern crowding the you know bilateral relations. So long talk about other issues. I think definitely are four pillars for you know us presidential election. So covid-19 fighting covid-19 and economic recovery or reform Health crisis and also the police brutality and social justice and also the Supreme Court Justice confirmation, but I would emphasize the first two months, you know, uh part of the election Publix. So if u s cannot be always the covid-19 thing if effective and fast way that means the US economy will be still stuck in this, you know in limbo and cannot come out to the crisis, you know, we're effectively and efficiently so that means the birth The normal way of doing business will be suspended suspended suspended because we know that actually when it comes to higher educational sector, we know China China China is the biggest off our system does, you know other countries in terms of the US's biggest recipient comes before Chinese overseas students. So now we know the palm tree be a pandemic has hit the US higher education system a lot. So if covid-19 cannot be contained and international travel cannot Reserve, I think definitely what the heavy blow to a US economy. So another thing is definitely about the US the stimulus plan, you know, if Leah Trump get a solid if so by then I'm elected. So people talking about blue wave. That means Democrats not just take over the White House, but also we'll take back the the poster members of Congress. Let me have a game. So people recently see the application or Chinese currency. I mean be to a kind of high. Let me first kind of the same growing sentiment about Democratic White House Democratic Congress. That means maybe a democratically LED US Government will be stimulating the economy off with a tool Galax Tab and definitely what give the economy a shot in the arm. So and also a receptor bilateral so I would think that that formula let's Capital markets with factories kind of you know, Miss the positive attitude toward Democratic white house, but having said that I would emphasize that neither a republican nor democratic government would change the course of action for the dog. Burton federation's that means I think one of the few can sensors here in in in Washington is that China is testing to challenge the one other Step Up file us in a week or two and less no way for trying to change its course. So China is testing to be a challenge or college fund the US interest at least in the Western Pacific region. I mean asia-pacific region, so so that means that less no way no easy way out of his missile long-term, or confrontational relationship between the hour is two countries. That's that's interesting Tosh. What about in Japan speaking of sort of long-term issues. Japan is one that guided States key allies in Asia Americans like to say the US Japan Alliance is the Cornerstone of peace and stability in the region. How does Japan see the u.s. Election and how does it see the candidates? Tosh can you hear me? Can you hear me? Can you hear me? Yeah, go ahead. Okay. So this is elections the world watches and Japan is no exception. Everybody is following the events in knighted states are very closely. It is the big event of November. No doubt. I think Japan is one of the few countries that was able to continue a solid relationship despite a president who really changed the boundaries or the you know shifted Paradigm, but are they did a remarkably good job of maintaining the relationships of this is an excuse. For example, a Germany under Merkel had difficulties. And so I think the Japanese government realizes the importance of the US Japan Alliance and this Alliance is not based on whether the president is democratic issue. Or republican. It doesn't matter. So Japan is is willing and looking forward to working with either present that being said there are certain points of of issues that concern Japan one is that the host nation support negotiations need to be conducted fairly soon as we all know Korea had a very difficult time in these negotiations and they actually had to to pay a lot more than they used to. I'm sure the Japanese are prepared to pay more just not the amount that the Americans are most likely will request just for our our listeners who may not be familiar with with host nation support. Could you explain that? Yeah, so Japan the Americans protect in Japan through the US Japan security treaty yet. It is not a free ride. The Japanese provide basis wage. Not only based it also provides funding to allow these bases to operate as a person now utility costs. Whatnot is covered by Japan. I believe Japan is the most out of any Allied Nations and this is a very significant chunk. And this is this is also the reason why for example US Navy has its ships repaired in Nebraska and that is because the repairs are done basically for free and at a very high quality at that and so in another issue is with Trump off there is worry there's concern that he probably he perhaps does not understand the value of alliances. And that his view of geopolitics is a little bit different than the average View. And so even though things were good so far because Japan has had a new prime minister now see that I guess the the prevalent view is perhaps Suga would have an easier time dealing with biting because biotin is of a more traditional sort of politician, right and that's certainly it seems like prime minister Abby did establish a real rapport with uh, President Trump in a way that you mentioned German Prime Minister Merkel, but but I think German Chancellor Merkel, but I think also Canadian listeners here would probably say that the president's relationship with prime minister Trudeau was also a tumultuous at times son. I want to come back to your point that wage. Over the long term nothing is really going to change the course of this sort of us China rivalry regardless of its a dog who's in the white house but it does seem interesting that we're Chinese perspectives on President Trump have changed significantly. I was in Beijing for example in the in 2016 and at the time a lot of Chinese observers thought that Hillary Rodham Clinton would be tough on China because of her previous statement of Human Rights, but they saw Donald Trump as someone who was more pragmatic and someone they could deal with because he had this business background and he was Adept at making deals now that that seems to have flipped Rush Doshi from The Brookings institution had an article in foreign policy magazine earlier this week saying that off Up was actually accelerating American Decline and that because of that Chinese particularly the Chinese government saw this as a positive thing in the long term, although they may realize that there was a short-term risk. I'm wondering if you could talk about a bit how perceptions Chinese perceptions of President Trump have changed in the past four years. Yeah, I think a kiss before the election year and the covid-19. I think China's still thought a transactional trump Administration a better choice that and Democratic and human rights and oriented, you know, left-wing government in the White House. But the election year movement and also covid-19 are changed the Chinese thought upon the merits of fouls relaxation. So let me give you one example, actually, you'll notice that actually in early middle of Earth January. So actually a sandal u s i v e one trip deal. It's really a landmark, you know shipment in terms of trade war will cause the suspension of escalation of the of expecting treatment reward. I think if you really look closely examining the causes of in the treaty you will find actually this is quite unfair treaty from a perspective of Chinese because actually the Trump off in the face softly, you know, 25% hotels home around three hundred seventy billion Chinese exports while trying to agreeing to log Obvious thought through the US Services sector and promising to buy around two hundred billion US manufacturing booze and agricultural staff wage base. So my sense that by citing is trade one deal trying to want to put the wind into Trump's re-election sales, but the covid-19 Ang the um, subsequently Trump's the anti Trainer Red Lake and behavior really make Channel think twice about the merits of his re-election because in my mind at least from here to bottom lies was constantly u.s. Trying to register number was a Taiwan issue. We have seen actually a serious elevation of the divorce ratio between Washington and the Taipei and the Trump government send a lot of chemical level officious Highway and also, you know, like secretary Pompeo actually broke off. Nice, uh historical diplomatic protocol by you know, congratulating taiwan's latest inauguration, you know, so all these things really make trying to embarrass the irritated about the you know, Trump a government in Hyde China Behavior. So the other thing is that if you look back at home a serious remarks of speech by a high-ranking translations officials, including the vice president, Mike Pence, you will see actually Louis Walsh two separate Chinese ruling party from the public land mass public. I would say least need a West Stratus but Washington trying to drive a wedge between the plans public and is ruling Elite. I think it's really unimaginable even years ago. So it's a kind of smacks of the region. French so in my view, so I think list to you know trumps Behavior. I mean really hit the button line of the Chinese the thought about a marriage and and Pat or benefits brought by another term of trump presidency. So so as I think even democratic government will not change the cause in a long-term, but at least temporary I would say because at least three areas Corporation between our two countries, the number one climate change and reality is about fighting against covid-19 and a present. Sorry. So Biden has found the number for sing once he is in a White House is to rejoin owh. Oh so Leah is about the economic recovery and also definitely not dead. Nuclear non-proliferation campaign. So I think definitely we have something in common when it comes to the bilateral relations. So I would change that at least the weekends seek kind of short-term reprieve from you know, the past one or two or three years the escalation of federations. I'm not I'm not, you know naive to say violence presidency would change everything but it definitely will, you know put in a conflict in a little bit back burner and trying to find something, you know more urgent so we can join hands as to to deal with that right Tosh. What about in Japan how have perceptions of President Trump changed over the past four years? And and also how do you how to different parts of the Japanese dog? Political establishment view him. Are there any differences there between the left Wing's? Yes. Well, first of all, I think many Japanese do not understand why a leader of such a wealthy nation and allow, you know that we see on the T shows is very very long food lines millions of Americans are becoming impoverished because of endemic yet. There is no true leadership from the current u.s. President. Not only globally but also domestically off he himself gets sick with the Quran you have. What is it two hundred and ten thousand Americans have died. And then that that is very hard for most Japanese to understand. How can this person be a leader of a nation that which we respect in which we admire and so yes, I think the average Japanese has a lot of doubts of trump. Is it is it dead? Safe for the world as a good for the world to have them know have the second term but the other other hand conservatives in Japan and and as you know, the Korean government home government have a different View and and they appreciate Trump for the fact that he is standing up to China and they believe that he's very very tough on China and that is very very Pro Taiwan with the Trump presidency. You have winners and losers globally, of course the obvious loser would probably Iran but I guess countries like maybe I should use a country but found one and Israel for sure are clear winners, but like Sean mentioned in the trumps approach to 21,000 does exacerbate tensions with Beijing. And so that's also a concern for Japan because China is Japan's neighbor and bad relationship between the two superpowers wage. Does not impact Japan on a positive way. So yeah, but this is where it takes issue with with the conservatives is that I believe that Trump is still basically a transactional president and that he is using the anti-china rhetoric to win the election in deep down. He will strike a deal with the Chinese if he's giving a second term, whereas with the Democrats it is more it's you know, it's more ingrained in the fact that human rights is important. I think it's harder to see or seek a common ground with the Chinese. So in the mid to long-term, I think a democratic government would be much more difficult for Beijing deal with and so if you factor that in I think the Japanese at least within the political establishment see Trump as being more, you know more predictable. I mean even she is a president who operates Off Script is very unpredictable in the sense that you know greater past presidents because we have seen for years of trucks that a lot of the unknowns have become knowns and I think the Japanese believe that they can deal with that but again that that also goes with the fact of the Lions, you know, does Trump value the Lions Club, but this is mitigated. We're just talking about the president's now but we also need to look at the staff that people who support the president and this is where I think Trump's attraction increases when you have people such as Pompeo is vehemently anti China is a very strong position this I think is comfort for conservatives a problem with biting is not biting himself off at least the shadow of Obama. So for many Japanese, you see the fact the problem with China is because Obama did not take a strong position, you know, it was a red line wage. Or Syria is a good example, but with China and he felt that if you make China stakeholder in China would be act as a responsible power and that was all fiction. It did not happen. And so the you know what we're seeing in the office trying to see or making a big fuss about that. But the Chinese aren't going to leave. I mean cuz we we allow them to create this artificial Islands. So they're they're at the state. All right and who allowed this was Obama and it was especially Susan Rice and there's very strong resentment towards a return of Susan Rice to the administration and you're grinning Christopher. But you know, it's it's not it's not my personal thing is people that I speak to with the government that they're very afraid and I tell them that the situation has changed. So even with the democratic government, you are not going to go off, you know, see a continuation of Obama's foreign policy towards China. I think there's I think you know, the world has seen because of the pandemic of what the reality is, you know with with China on what time Going to constitutes is not as a nation that which we do not have shared values. So I think it's important for the Biden Administration to convince a worried a license. Hey, what's that Scott? We're not going to return to where we were as how I see I'm grinning because well, I mean, this is really a question for Shaun but I I suspect there may be some in in Beijing who were not great fans of Susan Rice President Obama's National Security adviser also, so, you know, if if you've managed to uh, make enemies or or make friends in both China and Japan that's that's quite an accomplishment Sean. What do you think about what Tosh was just saying with the prospects that uh, if President Trump one, he could reach some kind of rapprochement a greater deal with childbirth. In a second term, whereas Joe Biden even if he did succeed and sort of lowering the temperature and putting things on the back burner would still have to deal with these issues and the Democratic party down with that place an emphasis on on things like human rights and and how much of a barrier would that be to really achieving a an agreement with China so actually in the first place I am a big daughter of so-called face to trick deal because although low-lying fruits have been picked up. I don't see any possibility to push him ahead with phase to deal if I'm a big is Trump really wins why a house? I don't know we're both so I can sit out in the beginning negotiations about trade second second trip face to fac3 deal because actually talking about, you know, a change of Chinese state-owned Enterprises and the reduction of subsidies as it's a regular overhaul of a Chinese New Year a system. So we always talk about the coupling. I don't think a totally covering is is is possible because of the unprecedented of interlinked between our two countries, but at least two dead errors, I do see a possibility and also actually kind of realization of the of the coupling. So not the first one I think difference attack Iraq is that you know, the social governance. So when it comes to social comes Echo Professor Cox voice that's actually live adequately and accurately be waiting to be used when it comes down to run a country and I think China in retrospect deviates away from world has been guiding the Western democracy for for centuries and try definitely investing to take another way. We call the third plus so you can name it. So definitely I think I don't see any possibility to to have a phase two POS. Do let me let me ask another question real quick. We have a dog. Minutes left the vice presidential candidates have gotten more attention this year in the United States because the the presidential candidates are both in their seventies and you know, we are one of the vice presidential candidates Mike Pence the current vice president is you know, well known on the international stage the other black candidate Kamala Harris is not as well known even though she is a senator from California. She's also of of Indian extraction her her mother immigrated off you guys states in the sixties, which would make her the first Asian-American to hold national office at that level. And and she would also be the first African-American a vice president because her father emigrated from Jamaica. What what do people in China and Japan? How do they see dead? The two vice-presidential candidate Sean wanted to start real quick. Okay, because I think with Mike Pence definitely is kind of you called Evangelical Christian and it's very conservative and I but I don't think he has any, you know big publicity here in China and but people just real in as protecting block of a President Trump. So, you know, I think we have trouble taking and Chong on a so, um, you know, and and the practicing his behavior. So about the white vice president. Elect. Sorry Harris. I think he's really interesting is that she got angry Chinese net because she's come from California. So her Chinese name is accordingly. So it's kind of unwarranted. I would say warranty defect full kind of guy who has sort of relationship or connection to Chinese. So whatever is Chinese, you know face or Chinese name, so this dog Angle and warranted affection, I mean from from from transpacific but would I would argue from my experience dealing with your this Chinese Americans of you know, people who took a really deep knowledge of China, I would say those guys really know how to build China smartly and more intelligent again and don't have any Illusions about people who have who have Chinese connection will be become, you know, more uh more hospitable toward China. So I think this is a dilution and and let's let's just explained she has a Chinese name because she was an elected official in California and used it to attract Chinese Chinese American voters in California wage. Yeah past we've got one minute left. What about in Japan? How did they see the two vice presidential candidates? Well, you know, so Mike Pence, he's very hard to understand for Japanese standards that world. The term Evangelical does not exist in this club. Religion has taken a little bit more stride. I guess big question. The Japanese have is what does Mike Pence think deep down about his president with authority Jack Harris. I think this is a this is great because Japan is a country that has never had a female prime minister has never had a minority prime minister. I think lots of young Japanese, especially women and minorities within Japan are saying oh this is the example of America can elect a minority female president that that's that's that's good for Japan because Japan always, you know, as as is not productive is reactive and so perhaps can understand the trend that's happening. Not only in New Zealand or Europe, you know, this is the way to go. Well, that's great. Well, we'll have to leave it there. But I want to thank again, shun Wang and Tosh me nahara for joining us and thanks to all of you for listening. You can find out more about this podcast series and other ships events by going to our webpage sit down. Bosch sepi cepi. 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Bunayyati - Ahad, 08 November 2020

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Bunayyati - Ahad, 08 November 2020

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Will Newfoundland turn on Trudeau this time?

The Big Story

21:32 min | 1 year ago

Will Newfoundland turn on Trudeau this time?

"If Canada's government is going to change hands on October twenty first we will get the first sign of it on election night in Newfoundland Finland and Labrador yes part of that is because the polls out east close earlier than anywhere else in the country but it's not the only reason this province as as a whole is often pretty red and stop me if you've heard this before in two thousand fifteen it was completely red trudeau and the liberals currently own all seven seats and as much as Newfoundlanders may be disappointed by some of the things that liberals have ever more accurately haven't done in their province. A repeat of the last selection is not out of the question. So what can the other party say to flip a few of those seats and send a sign things are changing what have liberals failed to deliver deliver that their opponents can capitalize on what do newfoundlanders need they aren't getting and which riding in this province is the most likely to be a harbinger Brynjar of what's to come on election night Jordan Keith Rawlings and this is the big story. David Vidmar is the legislative reporter for the Saint John's telegram in Newfoundland where we head for our latest in our lay of the land series the Saint John's telegram is part of the Salt Wire Fire Network Hi David. How's it going. It is going very well. Thank you for joining us from the East Coast. How is the grand experiment of democracy going out there. Well things are I mean changes changes. The norm. I think is a is a quite frequently in Newfoundland Labrador typically. We just came out of a provincial election which is back on back on. May Sixteenth where there was this massive liberal majority where they had thirty one seats in the provincial legislature and that has cut down to twenty which gives them a one seat edge over the you know over the opposition parties and whatnot so that was a that was a big moment obviously for us out here to see that amount of seats being cut down in Atlantic Canada. Generally I mean there's been there's been I it's only Nova Oh Scotia that hasn't gone to gone to the polls fairly recently they went back in two thousand sixteen you know but but we're seeing the Greens obviously making some eat some interesting in roads and whatnot in an and in an MP and New Brunswick they didn't quite formed government but my God did they come close so you know being close to the water being close to you know relying so much a natural resources. I think is is starting to rear. Its head just a little bit here on the East Coast. What are the chances that you're provincial election earlier. This year is a microcosm of what will happen to the federal liberals in Newfoundland and Labrador which were a complete sweep last time yeah and that's always the question you know. How much can we really read it into provincial politics to federal politics. you know it's it's. It's it's not a one to one ratio. There's we'll see how that plays out but I I wrote a story. Worry about this. about you know we can have of course online that talking to pollster. Don Mills Search Area Whatnot and the way that he phrased in terms of whether or not the liberals can sweep across Atlantic on to Canada with all thirty two seats He said that there's zero percent chance that happened on October hangover twenty so couldn't really be more more definitive than that a you know there and in Newfoundland Labrador everyone is kind of pointing at Saint John's east as as really Kinda main battleground. Perhaps even the only battleground. I think the Liberals will still see some success here in Oakland lambreau because we I have never in our history sent sent no liberals. There's has always been at least one liberal. That's insane from Labrador to up to Ottawa but we've sent all seven easier as liberals at twice in our history so there might I don't to be one opportunity Lucy. you know an interesting thing about about. Saint John's is that it's a direct rematch from two thousand sixteen election Harris Yeah Yeah Yeah. It's it's a one to one Nick Whale on it is the incumbent and in two thousand fifteen he beat Jack Harris who was a he was first elected in nineteen eighty seven that he lost real quick in the in the election after that and then he was years for the as the DP leader in the province and became the d. n. p. once again. I believe in two thousand eight hundred I elected and and now they're just having another crack at it. You know in John's east. I remember Canada conventional wisdom at the time which I guess didn't turn out to be completely wise was saying that Saint John's was was the most safe seat in the country for the new Democrats on the federal scale and then you so yeah yeah there was another really tight race so at the time in two thousand fifteen Ryan cleary was was was the incumbent for the MVP going up against the shameless regan whose name we all know much more on the federal a federal thing these days so any kind of went all in on Ryan cleary and maybe kind of forgot about it was just a little bit but this around it does not look like they are forgetting about checkers. You know Jagmeet facing was here before the election was even called so they really seem to be kind of investing there so you know in this province if any district is going to not be liberal liberal by the time October twenty first. It's probably John's east but you know nick. Whale is not going to go down without a fight no question about that so what makes Newfoundland and Labrador because we're doing this with all of the provinces what makes Newfoundland Labrador different from the other Atlantic provinces first of all but from from voters and the rest of the country to the biggest thing for us is that most of the people who live in Newfoundland Labrador live on the island of Newfoundland and most of us who live in Newfoundland live on kind of the northeast avalon which which is you know I'm I'm speaking to you from Saint John's right now which is really about as like it. If you're going to look at what the geography tells you it's as though everyone in on the island roofing like gathered as far away from mainland Canada as humanly possible which is essential for something but yeah which you know we'll we'll get back to that one but the fact that we are such big island really doesn't make us unique. I guess be is obviously an island is in the it's in the name but we you know we really are massive expensive land with a with a with a relatively small population by five hundred twenty five thousand people according in the two thousand sixteen sentences counter counted here and one particular thing that makes us unique across the country is that that population is going down the demographics of Newfoundland Labrador. We are getting older faster than anybody else. I believe that the the average population or the average age of newfoundlander right now is like forty six years old and by twenty forty. That's GonNa that's GONNA go up to above above fifty yeah. It's you know so we're getting older and the fertility rate is is is downward. We're dying faster than we are being born for one thing and then on top of that to oil downturn turn in say twenty two thousand fourteen twenty fifty and really really hit this province hard we in the last provincial budgets and twenty eighteen. We made a billion dollars off oil and gas. Ask and you know that's that's all guests are inter. Inter the royalties one for the government you know and that's on a pretty average price of oil. You Know Beckon Twenty before early two thousand twelve twenty fourteen or something like that. was you know we're looking at over one hundred dollars for a barrel also so my God we had money and now we don't so we have people people who are literally dying and not being replaced and people are leaving so the demographic challenges for Newfoundland Labrador really what's it's top of mind. I think that at this point. How does that impact what voters want from their government. What are they looking for right. Now that other younger younger more prosperous provinces might not well. This is a maybe a little bit of Jason here but but but but the main thing that we're looking for I think right now is is support from the federal government when it comes to Muskrat falls because that's the other thing that makes particularly unique in the country you know we talk about large hydroelectric dams you. I heard a sightsee and whatnot but but Muskrat falls was started by the provincial government or sanctioned in two thousand ten and at the time that the the sanction to the to the population or the the number that was put out there for the cost was six point two billion dollars. Not You know not a small chunk of change at the time for a prophet to five hundred thousand people now. It's twelve point seven billion dollars and there's a real risk that electricity bills in this province are going to double as a result of this and you you know the provincial government people were trying to work in trying to figure out how to how to prevent that from happening and one of the direct ask that. I think it was a little while ago. The finance minister just made a direct call just before the election actually the finance minister. Tom Osborne made a direct call to all party. Leaders saying we need money. We need about two hundred million dollars a year from the federal government a direct federal subsidy to Newfoundland Labrador's power bills in addition to about another half billion dollars annually that the that the province is going to have to come up with on its own court to try to to try to keep electricity rates down but but you know we need a commitment of two hundred million dollars from the federal government and so far none another federal leaders have kind of explicitly committed to that outside of saying you know we commit to working with Newfoundland Labrador on this particular issue so that I think think is kind of the biggest barrel on that. We're staring down so to speak right now that we need the federal government to help out on what about the things that the liberals promised would would help Newfoundland and Labrador back in two thousand fifteen you mentioned that may be only one of the seven seats there is really endanger of flipping to Newfoundlanders feel that that they've delivered in any sense on on what you were hoping for well they have and they haven't the funny thing about covering federal elections in duplan. Labrador is that you know we're sure we've only been in Canada for seventy years more so you know we we only have seven seats. We only have half million people so you know oh comfortable election time. We don't tend to hear a lot of really kind of detailed promises that are specific to Newfoundland and Labrador here one of the things that the liberals did come through on was there was a search and rescue center here in St John's that was closed down under the Harper government and shortly after the liberals gained end they went ahead and reopened opened that one so you know with the province as large an enormous has nine laboratories and Lord knows how cold North Atlantic is out there that was a search and rescue is a big deal here because we still have a lot of people on the water that was a commitment that they did follow through on and went there but one thing that they did not follow through on. That's playing out at this moment. Moment is is hesitant with municipal wastewater. There's a river head wastewater facility. I won't get to down in the weeds on this one but basically just you know in two thousand twelve there were some rules are brought in to say that you need to bring wastewater standards up to a certain amount and that means. There's going to be upgrade so just joking down here in two thousand fifteen and said hey look at that thing. We're going to give you two hundred billion dollars. That number just keeps popping up with something about two hundred million dollars really really popular but he committed that money that I was gonna come here and and when he was here about two weeks ago he committed that money again because it's not done and it's not just John but here's this concerns with the municipal wastewater one of there's places all across the province so we're facing the same same issue of raw sewage just being dumped into lakes. It happens here here in in in a number of municipalities because the municipalities don't have the the money themselves to do these expensive upgrades and the federal government hasn't put in hasn't put in their share at this point quite frankly so so you know in terms of what promises haven't have happened to and we're still going to wait and see what happens with with yet another province on wastewater that we got from trudeau ago so it's there's a there's a lot of reasons that I think that the federal elections take a little bit of a backseat here a Newfoundland Labrador because we're it quite frankly not as engaged in its by the you know by the way the parties who are running their largely due to how how far away we we are how small we are so we don't really get a lot of attention is what it comes down to well that was going to be my next question. Anyway is a lot of this election so far has been defined by scandal candle. I buy a SNC level and obviously men by the Liberals Bernird some opposition research about multiple conservative candidates and then of course course Trudeau's Brown face and black face scandal and from where we sit in Toronto it can feel that that dominates so I'm always interested in in more remote I would provinces that have more specific needs if that's a deciding issue for people or are we kind of an immediate bubble. I mean I think it matters to people you know. We're we're. We're seeing some of the national polls one at that. Don't seem to so much of a tick here and there for Trudeau. He's seen a dip. It was on the national scale. It's been written about and talked about plenty here in Newfoundland and Labrador but but the thing about Newfoundland Labrador and Atlantic Canada in general is that we we are really really white like I think it's ninety. The most diverse province I take from the twenty. Eleven cents is so we recognize. This isn't the most up to date number but according to the to the twenty eleven cents is the most diverse province in Atlantic Canada was Nova Scotia at at ninety. One percent white white or Caucasian candidate is is is you know we're we're primarily there there so a lot of people that I spoke to locally are suggesting that Oh asking why is this a big deal there and it's it's because we don't have a lot of people living in this part of the world that have you know an experience with black face racism of an understanding why that is such a such a problem you know and as such a racist action there so in that particular scandal in terms of in terms of how it matters you know. It's definitely going to take you know take votes while I mean I don't know and how can you really say anything definitively but but but I mean I can't imagine that it's not going to move the needle. But how much is it going to move the needle you know for people who maybe aren't super duper engaged in federal politics to begin with who don't have a symbol oh of lived experience to the people who who might have been directly affected and offended by this and then to some of the people who I've spoken to from you know from from progressive organizations and whatnot here in the province. They're saying forget about that. Let's talk about you know about a transportation institution into infrastructure. You know about about jobs. Those are the things that are going to matter to round newcomers one out of here so obviously it's complicated. Obviously there's a whole lot to it but it is jack error is going to win. Saint John's because Justin Trudeau mates really really really really really bad decisions back in the day probably probably not but you know but but jobs elsewhere well what could have him winning Saint John's east. If there was I mean you've mentioned money for for wastewater but if there were other issues that conservatives offenders share is coming to newfoundland before the election and he's promising missing things that would actually move the needle for Newfoundlanders. What's he saying. It should be something about Muskrat falls. You know once again about about federal support worked there. You know it. It's it's a provincial lead project but it was but there was a two point nine billion dollars in loan guarantees that were guaranteed by the federal government so the federal government has their finger in that you know has has a role to play their you know if if he were to come down and say do not worry about your electricity rates we got us and that's not even specific the sheer. That's that's. That's where everybody any party leader. If they're gonNA save you know don't worry we will bail you out. Hey money helps. Always you know yeah yeah. Sometimes you gotta see the Federal Government opened up the box dreams or over the strings. I need to say and we haven't seen it. You know we I ask them directly. Ah You know about it so that's the big issue because as it stands right now if people's electricity rates do double than people are literally in Newfoundland and Labrador Obrador in Canada in two thousand nineteen you're going to have people who are going to be choosing between heat and food you mentioned off the top one talking about Atlanta candidate in general that you you know the green parties made huge inroads in Pi and Atlantic Canada in general and I just wonder are they a presence in Newfoundland and I know the MVP has previously been a presence in Newfoundland Finland but all around the rest of the country were increasingly talking about a two party race and is there any chance of a third party playing spoiler in Newfoundland will the Green Party the funny thing about the Green Party not here I believe they do have a seven candidates or if not they have you know five or six. I'm not sure off the top of my head here but the Green Party is kind of nonstarter in Newfoundland Labrador in terms of their interests of their popularity because they have they haven't expressed anti-seizure hunt stance in their products out that they oppose the seal hunt and obviously the seal hunters is he's controversial here and there but in this province we supported in this province province is it's hunters or going out on the ice and taking what's there naturally you know and maybe with well primarily with guns the image that you see see their on screen white coats that are super super cute and cuddly those ones aren't the targets of the seal hunt and has been a lot of frustration over the people. You know who who are or are not recognizing you know at so anyway hill a little bit of a tangent there but but context. I didn't know that yeah that is the the that is the the number one roadblock for the Green Party and and I did actually talk with me about this. you know and and the basic stance is that well here's the funny thing about about kind of the Green Party policy there it seems as though the Green Party policy to say that the leader will not dictate and what issues the integrion. MP's would end up on and we saw the kind of Biton bite them in the rear. You know when it comes to comes to talk about separatism and when it comes oh you know maybe even reopening it would abortion debate. You Know Elizabeth May's kind of kind of stance there was was they can do what they want. You know I'm not gonNA stop them from opening up these this conversations and and and that policy which you know burn them here and there in the media there is also their defense mechanism against a about their dicillo hunt pitch because Elizabeth would just say while you know a a newfoundland and Labrador Greenpeace would have every single right to support the Green Party. Maybe even if the Federal Green Party opposes the seal hunt and wants to shut down so you know they have a they have a well known candidates in Avalon. His name is Greg Malone from Costco and wonderful grand band Jane and he's. He's run a couple times. You Run for city council he's. He's never had success on on the on the political scale. Oh and fun fact. We talked about black face. He also wore black face as part of what part of a sketch that he did. I think it was I think it was twenty eight days when when when it hits media here with all respect to the Greens and you know and and I know that the Green Party supporters you know here in the province but in terms of them playing spoiler in Saint John's. These are really any other part of the province. I'M NOT GONNA hold my breath personally so if Canadians are watching the early returns because you guys are I on election night. They should just be looking at saint. John's east to get a a sense of whether or not true is in for a good night or a bad one. Yeah you know that's where it will literally start because I think that would depending on how quickly the count that might Steve I decided writings is Saint John's but but yeah nick whale and holes on there. That's a good indication that that they're gonNA do okay here. you know if if these does change hands. I wouldn't necessarily read that as kind of overall condemnation of you know of how they're gonNA do but if a second writing in this province where to switch switch to the role that would earn your way from liberal to say that would be pretty jaw dropping that hotel a lot if I if they manage lose more than one sees a here in Newfoundland Labrador that's wouldn't I think that they're going to be shaking in their boots up in Ottawa. Thanks for this David. Thank you so much for having me David Marr legislative reporter at the Saint John's telegram and that was the big story another episode our our lay of the land series if you'd like you can head to our website the big story podcast dot. CA and right up there in the header Mary section where you can get all of these special episodes Komo before the elections. You know what happens if you'd like to talk to us about what's going to happen where or tell us who we should interview for these things up at the big story. 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Kings vs Flames Postgame

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48:07 min | 1 year ago

Kings vs Flames Postgame

"And now taking over Carter till Lozada Center the rookie to Holly right-wing in the zone around one man moves and shoots and this is is an all the king's men post game podcast role by Monaghan at your donald loses breakaway shorthand at Coupla Terry and shoots scores now here's your host Jay so I can't get out of my head but Jeff Carter they've been waiting for some rewards for all their shot attempts and actual register uh-huh can I agree okay yeah I know I I agree I talked to him before the game started and I've been talking to tom heard shots on goal like it's just been madness and I was thinking last game I was like I can't ask a question like is it just puck look but I was cast the Rainy Day podcast titled Jackson Blonde Ski Project And so much more you guys so many guys so many pods David Joe Okay well this for me I would say the player of the game for me was Jeff Carter stole mine sorry we always think you're really focused tonight for some reason and Nazis not always like that but I just noticed it tonight that he was really on his game so I would say over there I just WanNa say right now this is a guitar episode say whatever you want Oh thousand ref yeah against the Calgary flames I think this may be the victory song all season long because it's three thirty in the morning record this and I've been listening to it on a loop since now recording do the intro go say different sometimes nor did you say hi nice to the left of the Taylor is a banner a lifting the curtain above and seeing everybody out with empty seats were here Outta home from Staples Center there's a hole in the wall next to me where I keep fist bumping because I'm still excited about that when you guys I don't like cowdery I don't know if that came through or not David Carla join me after the game never miss an episode by subscribing on I tunes or wherever fine podcasts are aggregated and of course don't forget to keep an eye and an ear open for the Fox and faust pods said it tonight and I was like tough that's right that thick that's a nickname yeah to fully whatever doing short tough and then Liz oh I've been saying mansbridge shootings backwards we're going to start with the player of the game because honestly it could be like five different guys and I think they're all worthy so dave legitimately wondering my head like how how many chances does it take to like actually go in because some like people always matters on great agreed whatever I thought that the should've gone in and I just I'm happy for him tonight I'm happy that things were rolling with them and they're had the best game of the season the short season so far his best game I think he looked engaged I thought he looked like he was interested and Ellis and they're fast they're the speed that through the neutral zone playing with possession like it was just everything was on point for them they looked like a top line the acute suite of both of you got Jonathan quick phrase as like come on hold you Dave Joseph Cartilage Bathe I am Jesse Colin high above the ice and the Bob Miller Press Fox's save center right to the right of the of the character thanks Jonathan and next time I'm starting with you I always say that Jonathan Quick and then I changed it lasts second my head right of Carter Golan assist I thought he Copy that because that was fun what's Your F- sound like I mean right boy you may right here yeah as a baseball player again this time he's like a forty two year old like a teacher or something like a Pitcher who falls in love with a librarian but he's like his last game of his career his Oh that's Liz Oh oh like the artist I say this from the bench they say Atta boy is like I hear it remember the Staples Center what's up I'm just calling was that it yeah I'm keeping that expenditure you did it podcast Yeah Yeah Yeah and David Putney Yellen People Anyway Kelly Preston Malone Seattle like we'll do whatever it takes a little bit too far they hold that guy down penalty shot but other than that like okay it wasn't the finest yeah have you ever just want to kill what feels like it's three hours long so long long and it's just one game like it's it's just one game it's like starts with him on the road trip after this homestand imagine if they lose this game five to four or if they go up four to nothing and quick let's in three so here's all I could think of for that goal got score yeah have you guys seen for the love game for the love of the Game Yeah Kevin Costner that such a double God is that unassisted yeah I mean I don't know I like I didn't really think about it you know what I mean because it is but I didn't announce it it's unassisted gentlemen plays Kelly presents daughter. I don't whatever Jonathan Quick Jonathan Creek imagine if going on going on game as obviously when when they win but tonight kids were in their copays kids Carter's kids cliffe's kit sitting on the bench with them and just hanging out everyone in warm ups and it ends with him like spoiler getting the perfect game remember who the girlfriend is but or the X. girl called for the love of the game I think we're might be is having a good time it was like this whole jovial experience last game I think the only guy in there was Kobe only guy and it's like the room is just totally inkers than it's four to three and they're just barely holding on just it changes everything it changed the mood changes how the fans feel about it I don't know how and stadium or eliminated from the playoffs and it's the Detroit Tigers and they're terrible but somehow he pitches a no hitter Johnny Riley's the catcher before Johnny Riley's like John's era you think you should be players only I players coaches should be allowed to contractually legislate out marriage and kids for Athletes Rangers and the blues and the cap have you seen my frigging tweet here's here's like there couldn't be a more get a dog yet name it prince yet I have said this numerous times actually everywhere well yeah but but I said except planes but I've said this numerous times to specific things employees you know how the goaltending performance of Jonathan Quakes Career Saves Tonight made a lot of big saves and there was confidence in his play when you pop out of the crease like vintage Jonathan quick on my mind really good targets because it's just been crushed four to nothing here's a question for you if uh-huh you do you boo it was working it was really working but I I can hear the guys now my head just I've never seen that movie but that's for sure what they were doing own right in there this game okay it's talking talking to drew in the morning yesterday he told all of the media and this portion with a job to do they're not gonna go in and be like this wasted like their pride pride and there's a completely different vibe in the locker and VW E. title match every single time it's Calgary and even more so in candidates just bananas I don't I've never been to Calgary K.. Well Talk About Dogs Matthew could chuck my right Carlin Up Okay backlands scores the penalty shot goal. I guess it's just a PA announcer question anything but I think I turned to the guy next to me it's freaking madness but I spent a lot of time in Ottawa and I reckon auto on Calgary probably about the same size population lies but Ottawa's right and record on like I think it's Dope I'm biased though because I I like those I think those experiences are uh-huh Damn and and there's a senior John C reilly goes up to him I think his name is chapel rights because Chappie Yup and he's like you know she she would meet you happy you're so having a conversation ah yes or no to tigers okay yeah but that's John C. Carlin do you have any idea where I'm Kevin Costner again bounce it now they live for it I look as a fan I I loved it right like Dowdy hip checks but I don't know how much the kings fans care about paraphrasing we care we do but the weight of its this is build it's like a blockbuster love her love of the game I think it is it's not a great movie but it made me tweet halfway through buried I wanna Kevin Costner hockey movie because then I was also thinking about draft the movie sure Dan Right it's frozen over half of the year yeah snowing when we and those mutants probably just like Liz I'm just going to insult cowdery no movie but I love it that scene where Cleveland browns GM or something none of that's drafting oh that's another one where he's a pitcher that's it right right Yep I'll take I'll be the owner I'll own prints let me make it easy for you got a dog kings came in prince from this one probably escape I don't quote me but that's what a slice them right so that happened and then but it was a dog pile because retooling things and think like everyone's meaningless and be grumpy curmudgeon and it's like it's still meaningful to these guys like they're still professional athletes often lozad a lot lately and talk yeah I don't know I mean you say good when you sat shadow the Jack Harris he's he he was there for you like just get it over the plate like we're you know we're going to die for you got this that to me was the King's defense in front of John Quick during that third period whatever quickey like we got why not to a girl who wishes like dogs could be the locker I don't think I'm a good judgment everybody wishes dogs could be in the locker little get a little crazy I don't coming from but I liked it I liked that I liked the check yeah that was great green yeah low but clean whatever right of Quebec's he also have a bunch of you know you can just go across the river to the casino or do all the french-canadian stuff so it sounds like it's a real city Calgary on the other then quickly of course he's not going to stay out of the first guy in there he's throwing the bone I've been watching this this series of reaction videos so let's keep it that way I liked it I liked I think this rivalry is only going to get even more heated you think that yeah we don't we we only can choose to air you know about a minute or so on on Fox so some of the stuff that doesn't get air drew was kind of saying that you know this is such a big deal in Canada got like you know the capital and a bunch of museums and you know everybody you know the brightest of the bright and Blah Blah area date you know and it's like on on the border yes I love it which is great dowdy so so one of the things I've worried about this season is the daddy and this was in my head there's nothing to back this up but I think it was hell yeah and then my second was Oh my God no someone's going to get hurt someone's GonNa get it was like a it was like ten guys on top of each other one big why not because every time the media talks to them they try and turn it down it look what happened tonight I know the last game before getting worse and worse I just said right gold I that's it's written as just penalty shot on a boxcar okay so yeah let's Kinda strange because you don't it doesn't happen very often right I feel about it but Karlin you talked to Alec Martinez say quick he saved his son saved as bundling there pumped up I know sometimes people can look at a season where there winner he had some choice words for the fans after so that's building up building up that's pulling up you don't think at some point Matthew Chuck is GonNa go this is driving me absolutely bonkers it got the last laugh in that game yet I'm not going to let that happen tonight I'm going to do whatever I can do to get under his skin I'm going to start whatever I need to start and that that's what happened tonight fell to me like doubt he thought he needed to be a leader and that the way you be a leader in doughty's head is to be out of control right is to yell at everybody and massive pile of humanity and drew got a little banged up in there no scratch on his cheek sliced really cheek sliced but it was him Andrew said I'm not GonNa let it get to me Matthew Chuck let's get to him and we saw what happened tonight I think it's only GonNa get worse now the kings win four one there's that whole scrum at the end yeah it's a shutout I don't care I said it on twitter that that penalty John was to let it in it was a bummer but he's quake it got to him yeah so if dowd he's GonNa be that and it's GonNa Freak the flames out like that as long as nobody gets their fingers cut off that's fine with it let me say this you say it let me say this so so drew plays composed yeah he got the last laugh in the last game she scored the overtime which now it's even more yeah tastic you have siblings well yes no brothers sisters sister deep no brothers is getting out of control and then they don't say anything right as they're giving you a beatdown thous tonight with Mario Kart and drew was giving it was Rainbow Road in Matthew Chuck was falling off each edge time after time and coming back and just being like what is going on here that's what happened but how down like you're in fourth place there's no coming back therein I there's skating around well driving around Jim they all of them wind up inevitably there's a series sequence of clips where somebody's like knocked unconscious and everybody's fighting around them and they're always cringing going like okay this is like when you're playing Mario Kart against your older brother option and you're the younger Sibling Matthew checks younger sibling you're getting a B. I'm gonNA say it's under ten minutes six minutes eight okay he had one shot he's minus two was on impact player in the game tonight how many minutes five on five do you think Matthew played it just saw five on five well Calgary with shorthanded for a lot of the game yeah I had an opportunity to be relevant late in the game he got flipped upside down and then wound up the penalty yeah I like yeah only or they make it seem genuine maybe it's all a ruse they're genuinely expressing how much they don't WanNa talk about it to the point where like us the media inspiring and British people watching hockey for the first so it's like what do you do on your retirement talking but what he's GonNa get his jugular sliced by eighteen feet yet there were there were floating around yeah Dave turning into an old man because like catering to them but like trying to help them out like I don't want to always just be peppering them with questions about it so if this is to continue I twenty minutes and thirty three seconds for the whole game right I mean I would think that that would annoy him more than anything else right is that he was not only was he irrelevant but when he I like it reminds me of old school hockey it does I mean as as much as we can get back to that we never will but as much as you can this old school like this you Gimme Gimme the pay per view commerce back cover it so I feel stretched a lot because I've got one I feel like I have one parts headed though because I know you think it's ramping up right you think it's continue every time you talk to the two of them they're genuine foot in each world on the one hand I'm a fan I'm just a fan right like that's how I got here that's what I've always been I never wanNA stop being that yeah and then on the other hand Col look tomorrow if you're gonNA call it prints and call it lucky because that's it Oh lucky is a good one yeah that's a good one all right back to the game dog is he trying to I don't think he was out of control at all tonight composed wholly totally totally totally and could chuck went nuts them to lean in harder I need them to use something like this and if you're gonNA act like it doesn't exist and kind of say things that are slight digs like don't you're just how much has math kind of have to be pissed off at this point they lost the last game in overtime after they've battled back then they come in tonight and you know things are going to where's that there's ten years ago there's that clip of doughty's saying to somebody I will check the data you check the data matthew could chug them right and then John and quick and get a shutout a wing get up here incurs about it and on twitter I'm seeing tweet after tweet after tweet from media people who do is being used by people who writers too much meteorite like there's eighteen accounts right now who you know we'll kings putting pressure in I don't care and so from that perspective I get it if I'm dowdy like yeah enough you're you know now three seconds of an hour long game castle I get it there's there's too much stuff yeah but if you're a player and now there's just every day there's another person in the line waiting make a quarter off of your pain retired of its were pouring gasoline on their tiny little ember flame set just yeah go out just like what what are we expect he's trying to come up yeah well yeah but what would your mobile Jeez someone bring the ivory I don't think she knows podcasts own as much as they want they can they can avoid your questions or say it's not that big of a deal I still think it's a big deal big I think just to the point where they're sick of talking about it and they don't want this is amazing drew doughty's hit on chicken shock was everything on dead you know L. O. L. Just like I'll go off like you know his fingers his fingers all I can think of when I was watching that was was like doughty's under their stop jumping on talk like stop would not pay attention to this team they don't care they don't watch they don't know about it and all I'm seeing is this is great and he's like this is amazing isn't it a hip check in the third period of four another blowout cow amazing is it really I think they can play it down down as much as they want it means something yeah that's what I like about it I liked that there's that inherent rivalry that that grit that I hate that Guy Yeah I'm GonNa Cream this blow this guy I'm going to cremate yeah one hundred percent because she would cook is going is saying I'm going to beat this guy exactly yeah but we also get on each other you know Blah Blah Blah so you'd see these games where he you know he he do too much and you'd freak out and he flipped out numbers haven't been great this year and so Dan deal the rafts and to try and do everything all by himself because he had those quotes where it was like you know green used to get on me and skewed aries to get on me and you know young guys don't like it when you get on we need people to pay money to read their stuff so and the athletes are not stupid so when when there's all these people in there going like your doughty doughty was saying he won't give him the respect or whatever it is and and chuck doesn't give doughty any respect and that's great but we don't he didn't get on the scoresheet and they lost the game so now your own to against the kings this season you want to hear something great I think it's just fantastic for what what it does for the rivalry this felt like flames oilers back in the day going back and forth with the fights and all that that's what this felt like to me tonight and I enjoy that I have a bone to pick with the see Cohen welcome backings Fans My name is Jesse Colin this is all the king's men what's better than winning a home game winning a home game but but I'm saying like I'll just pick on the athletic because we like Leeson Josh but would like they're they are a subscription outlet make it more than what it is but when they get out there and they see each other and they line up against each other and Kucha comes down the wall on him yeah you know what's going through doughty says it you know I wish I could dig through all the tweets as like some guy with like twenty eight thousand followers he works for some city in Canada doesn't give about the king the Irish accent core blame ear does I liked it I like I thought it was I know trying to put together a respectable team effort this season right you got a new coach and new guys in the lineup of Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah here and then there's the the content creator and a team employee and a member of the media and all these other things right so that I see like all the work that goes into stuff right like you know I went on TV today and the and I like Dave's one hundred percent right on the ice I I wanna see them care about it off the ice I get it I get why they don't care about it because there's fifty nine you know and it's not because it's because it's inherently interesting although fine it's great I loved it right as a kings fan yeah right dump that idiot on his head all you can a heated and then the kings win convincingly tonight it's not even close so he's he could skirt matthew critic scored five goals tonight if they would have lost weight meant anything yeah but I'm on twitter and I'm watching this happen and freaked out the drew doughty might get his face smashed by escape and I just want the game to end so the team can win for nothing of that anymore but if you guys do that in the League you know what I mean nobody doesn't have been tasked but if you're doughty and the team was awful last year and you're just then I'm going to school turnaround sticking his face and say yeah suck on that right I mean that's what's happening that's that's the competitive juices so they can say it doesn't mean anything they completed period but gosh darn it if the Calgary flames won't go away like okay yeah I got it I'm watching the game I know yeah and so we live in a world where there's and look I we're launching four new aimed about how much I hate the flames and it took me eight hours to sit down and like right up script for two minute bit whereas I hate the flight so I get it but when Catholic and there's S N and there's Fox there's no sorry behave it's okay every person is like I try not to do it because down Chuck's Chuck on top of them Wagner jumped in got everybody's back home and claims came in and jumped all over the flames Hutton mixed it up a little eh you're going to get a contract and you're GonNa get them to tell me how you're going to get it shove tell me tell me just save Carlin like yeah I get other minutes right dowdy made an amazing block that led to the two full legal yeah I didn't see a single person tweet about what an amazing defense talker broadcast of course yeah I'm saying the guy from you know ask for whatever twenty nine thousand dollars right because we'll talk to you right and this line what's been three three solid games together now or four he's playing with people who can who can make I mean he but he's not playing two hundred foot game and making his own chance he's not scoring on assisted total helper in a perfect pat like you know what I mean like he game the reports Tyler Toffoli demise were greatly exaggerated what a frigging goal absolutely I called it a dipsy doodle distant and I think he found that in Blake Lozad for sure I hope you're right and Jeff Carter there's been so much fluctuation with the lines of the season without being gross about it a lot of guys on this team elevate themselves made themselves look really attractive to other teams great gold yeah but one goal he's got three on the air okay come on well how many games they played okay right and that's where he should be but I'll believe that when I say our right also keep in mind it's a contract here yeah no for sure but so look yeah because if he isn't it's time to go it's been okay it's happening okay I'll believe it when I see it this line on nine I love I love Tyler Toffoli yeah but going back a couple years he was pencilled in as what I hope it does again I'm not picking on him I think it's great to goal no but it just like to see more consistency there is thirty go score or not one game does not a season make what are we talking about is on a thirty days okay we'll see if that lasts I'm GonNa put him on the top powerplay then I think three goals in however many games were at now oh eight games three games okay that's thirty goals thirty five or thirty goal score every year sure am I being too generous and saying no so so where is it well this picking on him I'm just saying let's let's not make let's not make a mountain out of a molehill here he had a good goal it's great let's see it most night is he your news needed the one thing that stayed in the tech is intact has been the top line and then they're just kind of you know not every game but I would say every two to three games something else would change forget it I got my forgettable kings four liners confused look this is the conversation we had at the beginning of the year Dave like if they're gonNA play him limited minutes in there yeah this team goes as Jaco Petar in the first line goes yeah okay so if that line produces chances are they're gonNA win the game and Coppola had a golden the guy I think he's I think he's he he has the talent to be a great player in this league I just wish we saw we've seen more we could see consistency for he needs to play with people that can help him be in minutes played total on the team now in goals per sixty he's I okay one point nine if we're going to accept the premise that that deployment can impact your numbers and then we have to at least a little bit Dan greed you know you said he's ninth total minutes we're looking at obviously Dowdy Hutton Walker Martinez oh well one two three four five toby reader he's my new Brendan Lips that's all right brandon like I got my I got my here Brendan License leaders like I said to you earlier this season I wanna see Foley on p. p. one I wanNA see the Foley on the top line or or if barring that getting more even strength minutes and like Charleen doesn't score someone's got to pick up the slack and that's the line that has to do it yeah he's got the tools to do it Jack Carter has the tools to do it blake lozad remains to be seen but in her and get them the Puck 'cause he's not he's not the guy that is Kris Jenner play from start to finish Alexai follow although that move right the the issue is there needs to be more scoring and that's not saying something that's really that out there but if the short span of time it's hard to do right he absolutely has the heart we'll see if he has the tools right so there has to be that extra scoring because you're probably not going to get it from Clifford and Lewis Voice earlier tonight on on the radio was that looking at so McClellan at the end of the game not this game at the last game the second the voice POW radio my radio play hit the wrong thing I'm sorry hold on guys on line need need to finish yes which they will so so if the Carolinas in scoring there's gotTa be another line that steps up every single night and to me that's line that has well the thing is what I mean is anyway so Tyler Toffoli is twelfth consecutive shutout he said that he believed in the system and he believed in the guys and you know all that stuff and I like Z. so I went and I looked at six so seventh in forwards minutes total okay knock right now but I mean he's making the most of the time I feel anyway here's here's my theory execution goals yes so I mean we heard that this is gonNa take while you know they have to learn the system they have stop thinking game they have to all the fancy stats and the kings are in first place in like almost every fancy stat except for the actual of this season is to find out whether Matt Royer Sean Walkers guest feels like we're about to burn eighty two games just how many chances did he have in the last game and he couldn't shoot the puck into the ocean full disclosure yeah I stopped watching the last okay well there you go there you go I mean needs Blake Lozad or Jeff Carter or whatever to find him and he did lined him visit his he dragged you dragged start playing it and bub-bubba Papa today's point we do need to see more consistency I think you're gonna see it I mean that coal charcoal we've been waiting I answered that question just that one kind of really because we know what we have in Copa Trial following Brown we know about all the mid level veterans that GONNA chip in here they're gonNA be consistent we're never going to get the scoring from Blake I think he's always going to be like a disruptor he's he that's fine yeah he's he's eighteen months to see that goal in his office waiting waiting for the mail to get there and we finally saw it tonight but right but go back to the last game doc about letting clifford or Lewis go because you just can't stop a team no eighteen year old yet so they can get even a you know fifty cents on the dollar they'll probably look to move them right it's not fun to say but that's just reality of it do it yeah absolutely look we got goals from Kovalchuk to fully and Carter tonight so and they won the game yeah so if they do that on a nightly basis Grunstein we'll be back and I'm sure they'll be other members of the seeing brought up Yep I'm at this point now where it feels to me like the entire point nate goal great followed up by Kovalchuk Brown and Co Petar with one point away so I mean I hear what you're saying I just think good underrated I think absolutely we well we pumps tires a lot on the TV. But you don't get to hear the tally when you're working I don't but we we are very much aware of his and we know there's all these other the question is sorta now like will who's GonNa you know what did I say to you after the podcast the other a couple of games ago I said will shuttle and you get to throw some numbers aid throw some number art scoring the goals and I'm glad he did tonight but this has to progress now it has to keep going otherwise they're gonna be in big trouble so it'd be on foot being sent down and grunts term being sent down and it was a it was a face as your term can I push back here for a minute was it only a dipsy I mean bjorn foot down I I don't know if I've used the show before but I'll use it again. The second that Bjorn foot earned a spot on the opening night roster kings fans listen here watch his feet we are so blessed when he's back checking he's not falling on his ass like he is keeping up with old girl Brian Hutton forber who else is on one way deals of the year to Foley's done like there's a bunch of guys where you F- as of the end of the year I think it's insanity even stop watching it completely but I was again I'm I'm a fan and number seventeen all set but like todd McLellan said were paying him handsomely score these goals missed the net it's time uh-huh oh my God you know Fog emojis scored four goals again I mean a grand jury was against the cart of devils which is a team I had not heard of before he's scared orne foots coming back next year he'll be nineteen Turkomen Arthur Kelly is on pace score one hundred fifty goddamn points rated So that was unsolicited like hearing US Love Sean Walker and and I'm a fan of Roy too yeah and I don't know if it's going to come down to one yeah correct so now you're six or seven defensemen yeah and it just feels that the writings on the wall for a couple of guys well I mean when they said the other up sticking or not but I like both of drew doughty not going anywhere nope Kale Clegg can play both sides of the ice and Sean Disease Twenty two roster spots the numbers don't work not every prospect makes this just correct sad to say Right Hand Sean K and seems good sue Ann McKee Anderson is not going anywhere it's GonNa born for pretty darn good the fence men out of their careers like that picture from back to the future because now that he's down in Ontario he's playing the first words out of my mouth in that podcast I like Shawa yeah I really like shocked I like his game he skates well he's good he's well skates blood and that's it you're not in the picture anymore sorry it's a nice problem to have though is nuts grain you know chew three four years down the road yeah most nights they're gonNA be right they're going to be games you just can't rely on follicle Tom Brown every single night to get get it done for you so one of the things I said in my radio the fact that you know so good for everybody in the room and good for him if he does well but I'm not gonNA spend a ton of time worrying about it rear disappearing like like Michael J. Fox's siblings and back to the future because Mike Anderson and toby is bjorn for showed up and made out with the lorraine that's crazy yeah that's crazy there's gotta there's I won't say my name but there's at least one defenseman in the age all right now who's got to see his his you know in the future where Michael J. Fox was looking at the picture of his siblings and they start disappearing as you start tinkering with the timeline urine foots disappearing and he's getting and he's not falling over and research we don't have to say no he he's very good very I want them stepping into you know a group that Todd McLellan likes and isn't maligning in the post game interviews how rough is it by the way when he says Archer April you don't want them coming into a mess right you don't want them coming into a dumpster fire where everybody's like well at least we thought five picnics and I want that what was the point of all that Oh yeah royer walker both the other the other thing I think we're building this season is consistency checks gable already of course I third rail to oh I'm just saying it's the other guy if he can ever get healthy he's a legitimate number two center however better to have this team operating consistently and competitively I don't buy this whole top five pick thing like we just ran down all the he came in here saying he was going to hold people accountable and that's not only what he's doing behind closed doors he's doing it in front of the world as well and it's like not even it's not even rude I see things about players in the post game scrums I love it Oh God we I love it sees refreshing isn't it it's incredible because it's it's not like I mean first of all look out there seems to be stacked on the back end and front end and the front end but I mean I I saw somebody tracking prospects today and they're like you know aiden did this and you know this guy is playing in the US H. L. at his first goal and I thought to myself that's great but them fifty contracts and the well guess what if he's healthy you got copays higher velocity jared Anderson Dolan and Alex Turcott Raza's Campari better learn to play the wing and Ambler is he's not going to be here past the end of next year at the latest rice they're not gonNA resign him when he's thirty eight or what you never know I mean James Yeah okay it'd be lovely if they could get one more toy to play with but you take I'm over the draft you'd be done with it not like you know you stink boo you sit out like I think he says these things and then like also acts on helping them be better which is really refreshing yeah yeah I want college free all I win and and one more named throughout their which people forget about analogy it's the perfect type of person he has the perfect experience dealing with this type of age range and where they are at in their careers like it couldn't be more he's producing like youngest player scored H I for layer that born in the twenty percent and that's okay oh my God in the Ahl Acer he was out furrow out of the game you know and this is I think season for him to fine tune everything that he's relearning and I don't know sharpen his skills team there's got to say something to earn guitar on there we go if he did great fans great it would help sell tickets it would help make the game exciting it was a great goal tonight but as far as the future of the franchise doesn't really matter this season's going to be what the season like what's GonNa be of Todd McCullough or what what is Tom McClellan going to get out of this season and how skilled you're going to get by the end of the year because he's jumping back into this it's only refreshing to hear

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Black ten dollars plus free shipping available at get jack lac dot com with the code team. Gb while supplies last the la kings have won four in a row. You guys four in a row with points in five straight. And i am trying really hard not to get ahead of myself and trying really hard not to think about what every game means for a playoff push. But i can't help myself you guys. I really can't at any rate. We're not gonna spend too much time talking about the playoffs just yet but we are going to take a look at the two games against the arizona coyotes and to help us do that. I think we should call zach duly call coming to us all the way from saint louis franchise insider zach duly. How're you doing it. Exact jesse. Doing great it's a good morning early afternoon in saint louis excited to be joining us. Yeah we're trying to cram this episode out before the kings take on the blues and back. Well not back to back games. I'm struggling with that. all seasons. Actually call him back to back even if there's a day in between them so it's weird right i guess consecutive games is probably the word and then we actually play on back to back nights as we do in minnesota. Here's a games back to back. But it's one of those weird little distinctions. That only you. And i care about yeah well and if the minnesota if a series like the one against minnesota didn't exist right if we didn't already call that back to back i would have no problem calling the upcoming series of games blues back to back but it does so anyway but we are not talking about either one of those we're talking about. The two games played against the coyote to say the coyote avalanche. But that's not right. The arizona coyotes exact. The team comes away with four points at a two games. That's good sweet series. But i didn't feel like it was a dominant for points. Not that that matters and just curious where you a scale of one to ten. How dominant would you say. That series th. The king's performance against the coyotes was not a an expert on the county's i haven't watched them very much outside of these two games. But i feel like those are the kind of games that Play where they make life hard on whoever they're playing and it keeps games close. You know if you look at especially game two. There wasn't a ton of even strength. Chances reather team it was a lot of clogging in the neutral zone. Special teams was dominant in game. Two timely scoring was keeping the kings. And i didn't think it was a dominant performance but it was a very good performance. And i think that if you look how the kings played defensively. I'd say for the hundred twenty minutes. You're probably very happy with like one hundred and ten of those hundred twenty minutes of how the kings defended in played in their own end. And i think todd mclellan said best after game one. He's like that's the kind of game our team needs to play to win and it's good that they recognize that yeah. That hockey is a phrase. That alex faust repeated a number of times which i thought was brave since i know it ll of hockey means but i'm not sure that That that sort of terminology is reached the common parlance of the fan base. But it's a good good phrase grain away it kinda worked not to say that there weren't opportunities reach team or the two games there but it wasn't like a free flowing high-octane chances at each end kinda game it was You know you gotta take your chances when get them because they were at a premium. Somebody asked me on twitter. If i thought that this was the highest flying version of the kings i had seen in quite a while and they asked me at the exact same moment that i was already looking up. Just by coincidence. I was sort of putting around with corsi numbers and and expected gold numbers and everything and the kings are actually pretty low in both shot attempts for shot attempts against Despite this sort of belief that the kings are faster flashier you know more committed to firehouse hockey for lack of a better phrase. They actually are playing pretty low event hockey across the board in the season. Now it's difficult because you can have a stretch of games where nothing happens and then you can have a strategy games where everything happens and it evens out to sort of middle of the pack. So it's always important not to assume that you know season-long trends are indicative of any sort of identity but nonetheless. Adam i gave velocity had to want to save full really solid games because i think even todd mclellan referenced. That he had a strong first period was the first period in a in the first game against arizona and then maybe he struggled way. But but sorry. I'm trying not to say nonetheless as much as i do. Some really nice passes sets up the carter goal and obviously scores the goal himself person how to gave. Lardy look to you buddy. Look good. I thought the to kind of theme Were in certain individuals. I thought were very good. All and certain individuals presented timely moments in the arizona series. And i thought gabe kind of brought both like i thought he had some stretches of very good play. Seems like he's starting to settle. In with jeff carter in adrian cambay lot better together. I think than they did. Maybe the first game. They played the other which is good. They're starting to gel a little bit more. And then you get that timely goal in the third period from lardy the kings had lost a two one lead. Just a couple of minutes before and you know carter makes a very nice drop pass. That frees up the slot for velocity and a player like that is not going miss from that range. You just had that hard. Heavy wrist shot. That was referencing. The post game press conference That was really impressive. So it's good to see gabe kinda doing some more of those things not does offense lead but overall we know he's capable of I thought it was maybe his best. Two games set so far this season. Yeah one of the things that occurred to me because i've been fascinated by his season Especially as of late now that he's sort of been bumped up to top six minutes. I guess he's going to get better. He's gonna learn the speed of the game he's gonna learn when to assert himself in moments and and all that but but. I think that i had forgotten that. It's you know it is a team game right. One guy can definitely improve his own read of the game but his linemates also have to get used to him becoming more assertive and finding those moments so he had one rush up the ice in the second game where he came up. The boards sorta cut to the middle but he was pretty low in his too low in the zone to to make a move himself. And i don't remember if he was behind the goal line or at the goal line but he but he did that. He did a centering. Pass back to adrian kemba. Who was in the you know. Basically in the crease but it felt but if i remember correctly campaign had his back to him i didn't even see the past coming or certainly wasn't a position to convert pass into a chance or anything and i just thought okay. Well you know if the two of them play together for another month two months whatever maybe maybe in the future Realize that a not only that not only has already aac capable of making that pass but be prone to making that pass and maybe he's looking for that pass and it's not necessarily a guaranteed goal. But maybe it's a chance maybe becomes another pass. You know to open man on the other side like so. It's not just the lardy growing his game. It's also growing in chemistry and awareness with his linemate so might be thinking that short individual. I watched it. I watched it was one of those to me. Just like it was close to being a good chance. It was didn't connect but you see that throughout the game throughout the season right like plays that are close where geyser a split second often. Maybe that's one though like you said where it's andrea kobe. Tara dustin brown two guys who bright know exactly how the other thinks they connect on that play but nonetheless. It's a good sign of gabes playmaking abilities you can make that pass For sure and one quote that that stood out to me was when todd mclellan after the first game he said we saw what gave up at the end of last year. Seven points from ten games. And even i was like as this going to score twenty goals in sixty points next year and eighty two game season and i think that it was unfair to expect that he was just going to come out and be the dominant number two center because he only has fifty or so pro games to his credit. Coming in and you know like so much talent and so much ability. He's clearly figuring it out of how to play this league but it's important to remember that he's only played twenty six. nhl games. And i think we just kind of keep that in mind. And i i think when you look at it with that lens instead of like a man. Why isn't this guy on a sixty point pace right now. You kind of gain like even more of an appreciation for like how good he is. Yeah the team is stocked. Full of rookies on any given night depending on who's injured and who's not. I think it's easy to forget. That guy like grunts drum what the rookie classification scale is but in my mind. He's still iraqi right. He's got forty two. Nhl games He hasn't played more than fifteen in any specific season. Yes that goes back to two thousand eighteen nineteen. I think it's one of those like he's not a rookie by any standard. But he hasn't played a full. Nhl yes. i didn't get to have something. like twenty. four games spread out over a certain amount of time but but in my mind even though he's twenty three even though like i said he's got forty two games by mighties rookie. You've got jared anderson dolan I know leeann anderson has a hand has more games than than average. But and then you've got all the guys on the on the blue line Plus vardi think the point you're making is like these aren't three four five year established. Nhl guys who are rounding out half of this roster right now guys who are have played parts of seasons or maybe maybe one one full year not even but you have you know half of the roster right now his guys who were still establishing themselves as nhl players and are you know you've seen the pros and cons of that but a lot of guys who have the abilities but haven't quite you know locked down a fulltime nhl job. At least entering this season they had know exactly. And and and even guys like blake. Lozad or matt. Roy or sean walker who had one or two full seasons. It's still it's still one season and they have a right while he's on the other side of the sorry go ahead. Crazy like not rosen. Played one full season. And he's thought of as a veteran myself guilty of it like he's thought of as like a after the big. You know the core five. Like i think of roy that group and he's played one full year. I think it's testament to his play for sure. When i only has what two hundred belt i mean. Two or three. You know adrian campaign three or four but like those you think of these guys have having maybe more experienced than they do. So i think it's a testament to them with kind of how they've established themselves and how they've played the other side of the spectrum of course his co. petar brown who've played you know whatever it is twelve years together I guess it's not well anyway. A longtime ally la and you see the golden brown scores and endless. Part of that is just. The coyotes left him wide open. A that was bad but the two of them. I mean copa cars. What top five and top ten points anyway and top ten points and he's leading the west division which is more important to me than anyone else but i think is important because we're only playing the west division so shouldn't you be integrated against your peers and against his genitive -solutely he's got the most points in the division and brown has what is it. Eight goals now also was leading the division entry. I don't know if he still is but it feels to me and this is not i. I understand that the way. I'm about the phrase this might sound like a critique but it's not it. Is it in my mind complement the highest compliment. It feels like they are getting their points. They are the they are low. Effort points right. They're getting them because they are just that good. They're not they're not highlight. Reel plays where they have to beat. Five guys on a rush. They're not you know. Muscling off two defenders in the in the slot. They are they just know how to play hockey so well that that the tiniest opportunity presents itself and they capitalize on right. Whether it's brown doing a chip shot goal. You know on the power play with his back to the goalie or whether it's on jaco petar you know finding an open man at well finding brown and these done it twice in the last three or four games now or browns just their cope are It's stunning to me that that they're able to get these points and it's really fun. It's really fun as a kings fan with all these seasons of emotional investment in these two is And now carter's getting in on the action to you. They make it look. Easy sometimes is kind of maybe another way to say yes. Look like the play in arizona with like petar was kind of along the boards. There were two guys on him and it was. You can say at one way of like. The coyotes didn't cover dustin brown. Or you can say another where like dustin brown knew where to be exhibited that pass from undergo petar and he's just so good like within five feet of the blue paint that if he's there in that situation you're he's putting an end because what seven maybe eight of his goals have been within five of the blue paint and he just like he dominates that area. He's so good in those little little spaces. And i mean kotaro. You've you've watched him a lot longer than me but like he just has that ability to to make the right pass and make the right play like nine the nine times out of one hundred and it seems like he's getting rewarded with points this year for making the right play and it's not just making the right play like he's now getting the stats because one of the fights that i used to have on. Oh years ago with king fans was. There was a small but vocal group of people who had accused us brown of having stone hands and i and this is again eight nine ten years ago ham and i would say not only does he not have stone hands but he's actually one of the better passers on the team especially when he's playing with players that he's familiar with and you see now like i said these opportunities open themselves present themselves and i don't i'm i don't claim to be a strategical savant when it comes to hockey strategy. I don't know. I'm not even necessarily familiar with all of the terms that i probably should be so. I'm not gonna pretend to understand the difference between todd. Mclellan system john stephen system darryl sutter system in terry murray system but i do know that for the better part of brown dowdy. Kobe tires career. There was a huge emphasis on defense. That phrase low of hockey coming back again. It was a brown said it. I think in training camp. He's like for me and that group that you just mentioned like we've never played any other way than the way we played for the first twelve years and then last year for the first time they were told to play another way and think combined with yeah an and he also referenced. Yes or a number of people referenced. Yesterday and the day before on the media availabilities having a year off to rest right physically mentally all of that combined with playing a new style that they you know having the shackles taken off their offense. Let's just say put it that way. Doughty is top five points. Events burger top sankey t to. I'm not the nhl say doesn't update right away. When i looked and did the math he was t to worst unit. Top five for but one of the knocks on him was also well. He doesn't put up an offense to be consistent. Norris can which is has always been stupid to me right like ridiculous but the award is yeah like. I don't care if bret burns eric. Carlson have record-breaking offensive output for defenseman if their team missed the playoffs and their minus twelve. Okay good for them. But it doesn't doesn't mean anything to me. So now you see brown. Exploding dowdy with more off its icy copay. Har- at more than a point game And it's just fascinating. And i think it gives cover for those players that we mentioned previously. The you know the gardens rooms vulgarities cover may not be the right word but it allows them to to play a little bit freer. Big guns are big. Guns are firing. Yeah and they're still carrying the load and then when we see these other guys produce at times it's like wow we're getting three lines going and if not just that top line you know like you're getting you know anderson dolan play. Put up some points. That line in trevor moore continues to produce some points in abe is pressing points jeff. Carter's in that first group but he's producing points in. You're getting them from all these different areas to support copa brown. I follow and that's so huge. Like how many times does todd referenced. At like when when they can roll four lines and get four lines going like. There's so much better when we saw in the first game i was. I apologize to anybody who pays enough attention to have heard me say this eight times already. But in that first. Game against the coyotes your fourth line which was lozad wagner in love had zero chances against in eight full minutes as a line right there were more minutes allocated to those guys with line changes and seconds here and there added to the clock but the three of them were out together as line in eight minutes. Seven chances four zero. Against and i know that there are these glaring moments where you know wagner has a bad moment where the puck is in the crease and the he has an opportunity to bury it and for whatever reason it doesn't go in and it's you know it's touchdown moment that you can look at you know all. Wow they should have scored blah blah blah but co back from the from the bird's-eye and chances against the eight minutes like i will take that from my fourth line every single game. No questions asked one qualm. That maybe i have with with the people who say the things that you just mentioned is that like the solution is always to bench some fourth line like that's going to change the fortunes of the entire team easy to find a scapegoat of a guy who's playing in the bottom six in just say like oh you just gotta take me out and you put this other guy in. Who has you know similar abilities in. It's going to magically turn the team around like if you can get that kind of production like you shouldn't need to rely on the fourth minor score to tonight to win games like if you're big. Guns are firing the way that they are for the kings right now. You can get those eight to ten minutes of puck possession. You know hockey in your favor you take that every time and eventually like if you do that consistently the goals will start to come for exactly they will. And that's you know that i think for me. That was one of the hardest hurdles to get my mind around or or get my mind around. Was the idea that there is a tremendous amount of randomness in hockey and so a huge part of success is just accumulating opportunities and and waiting for the randomness to to you know. Luck is the residue of design. I guess is a shorter way of saying it. You know if you out in its wide core season morton. It's why it's why they track shots on goals. If you consistently outshoot out chance your opponent odds are you're gonna get those bounces. You're going to get those pox deflect office decor off a leg or off of but A the net or you're going to have moments like the past. velocity You know that resulted in his goal. Carter finds him. And there's an defenders opened a shooting lane directly to the net and. He's so good that he could make that shot. You know but but it's it's been fun to watch foreign zero points and five immediately on the heels of a four game losing streak which let's transition to to some of the some of the coaching answers. We get which i think are funny. I asked todd the approach. I have when i asked todd. Mclellan question is i try and phrase the question in such a way that he has to give an answer. That isn't Coach the right because he's very good at it And he he caught me completely by surprise. Because i thought i'd ask okay. They lose four in a row then they get the overtime loss than they win foreign row. So which team are we closer to. And i thought we'd get measured. I was looking for a coach. Speak answer so. I asked a question. Setting them. up for coach began. The actually gave the answer that i would have loved to. Have you know. I would have asked more directly to get the answer that he gave. Which was the team at a lot of guys out of the lineup. And they were hurt in that. Four game losing streak. So he didn't say the team in the game. Winning streak is who we are but he said like well. Let's just stop and think about what was going during that for game winning streak so i guess i'll ask you the same question i asked him which is which team do you think is closer to reality. I mean i can. I feel like i'm going to give coachspeak. That's that's i. Don't think that the kings are a four game winning streak team or a four game losing streak team. I think there somewhere in the middle. I think that they're a team. That's going to have their ups and downs. The ebbs and flows of a season to use one of my favorite coachspeak terms ebbs and flows for that one all the time But i think that when you have everyone in the lineup. It's clear that this team will be in the gain most nights whether they or not they're probably gonna be within a goal either way up or down by one or tied in the third pretty much every game and it's gonna come down to whether or not that they can execute in those situations on this. Four game winning streak. They've done that. Even though not loss against san jose they did it. They just gave up late but they did come back lead in the third. So i think you're gonna see a team that's going to be in a lotta games and i don't know like you know the last couple of years you felt like they might find a way to lose those games. This year kind of feels a little bit more like they might find some ways to win those games like they did last night in. I think that's i think that's a really really important Observation to make because there was a period. I don't remember exactly what years it was. It might have been like. Oh eight to nine and then to not oh nine ten but there was a period where the team went from a from a team that lost twenty games within a one goal differential. To the next season they won. You know thirty games with within a one goal differential and it is that whether you want to call it experience. How grit chemistry. Whatever the list of words you want to apply to it are when you go from team. That's bad right the bottom of the league bad to a team. That's contending for a playoff spot to a team. That's competent to a team. That's good to a team. That's a contender. At some point. You do have to start winning those close games right. The you just mentioned And if this season is the season where they go from team that gets blown out. Twenty times loses close twenty times to a team that loses close forty times but they never get blown out. That's like an important evolution you know and then the next year or the year after that you can become that team wins. All those games finds way to win starts blowing other teams out and this is a season where we're playing the same teams over and over and over again so there's that to take into account silicon tack jarvis look at the sixteen games and the kings of had a legitimate chance to win fifteen of them bright and take out the the first game in vegas when they went down five zero with. You know four rookies on did. Yeah a lot of them playing against a team like vegas for the first time and they were a bit overwhelmed in the first thirty minutes you take that game out of the equation you could legitimately say that in the third period they could have won the other fifteen and i mean i. I think i'd like. I said i think that's an important sign of growth As a franchise helping that effort is the goalies right and i actually agree with todd. Mcclellan I've found all of the questions that different people have asked trying to get him to name a starter trying to get him to throw dirt on the career of jonathan quake. I've really liked his answer wages. We have two number ones. We need both of them. And you know you saw that with quick. Getting shot out and then Peterson and quake splitting the games in arizona How important to you is the play of the goaltenders. I think it's massive I'm working on it pretty done. It'll be probably at the time this is out my series recap article frolicking insider and i noticed some similarities between the way the kings ended last year and this recent five game run. The person have a nine three. It's a percentage over the last five games kingsborough. In one crooked. Peterson had a nine four nine. Save percentage in the last nine games of last year when the kings seven one at one and the consistency is that solid goaltending and winning can go hand-in-hand they've gotten quality starts from both goalies in this five game point streak which has been really good and he said it so often todd has no one seems to believe him when he says that both boys are important. They're gonna starting both goalies. And i think that this streak has proven that when both guys are on and last year it was at the end of the year. Both guys were on and the team was winning. Like there's something there you know when doesn't need to be just a starter in a backup because that's in the video game what they offer you right starter and backup. There can be two guys who are going and contributing just like there are at every other position the the goalie position and this is a conversation for another episode. But i just want to toss it out because it's been top of my mind reasonably the goalie. Position is such a riddle. Not just people always say. Goalies are rooted when it comes to are predicting them are analyzing the meringue or whatever but there's been such a increase in investment in the goaltender position over the last ten fifteen years whether it's teams getting goalie coaches now. There seems like florida that have a team of goalie coaches. You know the adamy. Yeah exactly and you know Finland and sweden decades ago established national programs to develop goaltenders. I don't know if russia has one. But i know that canada than saw the success of scandinavian goalies permeating league. And so then they started talking about will. Do we want to have a national program for our goal is that we wanna do it based on provincial status blah blah blah blah blah and to me it all it just reminds me so much of This metaphor i'm gonna use in the future so apologies in advance for all the times. I use it but it just reminds me of the last scene of batman begins where they start talking about escalation because at some point we're going to reach a place where every team has a huge team of goalie people. And you're going to have to spend the money and put the investment in if you wanna be successful to have this goalie but but all that's gonna do is bring the plainfield back level right. The we're in. We're in a window right now. Where if you're a team like the kings of invested the time and money and good in good goalie. People gives you an edge but as soon as everybody figures that out that edge will disappear and now you'll just have to have thirty. Three golden coaches on staff might might and the kings were in a position of wealth there where they could trade like a solid one. Be any joke. Olien jack campbell and still have a terrific tandem because they had another guy. L peterson who was just ready to step in they had three. Nhl goalies last year. They just couldn't have them on the roster now and what they do is still two and a few years ago. When they traded darcy kemper return they got wasn't great but right but but in a different world they sign into an extension traded him got recouped. Whatever whatever anyway clearly another. Nhl goalie absolutely there. You know another guy who obviously he's. He's been terrific for arizona. So they're doing something right in. La with developing in keeping goaltenders performing and Matter is like the kings have done well these last five games. The goal is have done well in that. So let's move to the play of the game and the player of the game will start off with you or sorry. Play of the series What for you was the play of the series. I'm gonna take the shorthanded goal in game. Two I thought it was a really really good example of maybe some development from nike anderson. You see a guy who's thought of as a defensive. Stay at home guy. First and foremost jumps into the rush. Shorthanded shows incredible poise to outweight a sliding defenseman. As he's getting tripped what what should have been a tripping call. Had it not on in still get the pass across trevor more for a key. Goal wall shorthanded. I think that was a big turning point in the game on saturday. And that's my played the series. I'm going to go with the va. Lardy goal because they won the first game you know and it was in a shootout so worked out right. They got two goal lead. They gave it up but they sort of lucked out in the shootout and that was great then in game two. Were watching it. They take the early lead than arizona. Scores and i find myself having the conversation internally saying well you know you're not gonna shout out every team every team's gonna score goals barbara and it gets tied and then all of a sudden there. Is this low event hockey game and it began to feel very much to me. Like oh gosh out. Players zona or or arizona will outplay them. Depending on how you look at it. But but ultimately it's going to be some sort of weird dumb fluke goal that cost them a game. And they're gonna wind up the split in arizona and i really hope that they would win both against arizona. Not not exclusively. Because i'm looking at the standings and secretly hoping that they make the playoffs. Although i am but also just because it was the first time they played arizona. And so you wanted to know okay. Well how do they match up with them and so to your point earlier about finding away to win. They found a way to win. right in. That goal was the was the opportunity that opened up under the capitalized on it and the goal itself was beautiful. Nice and good to see gilroy shooting the puck but just for what it represented to them to the game into the series for me. That was the play of the series Who is your player of the series finicky could go a few different ways and it might be lame to do this. But i'm gonna ha. I wanna take forty. That was who i had in my head and all expand on what you said finding a way to win like he had the clutch goal on sunday but also scored the game winning goal in the shootout on had an assist on in that game that that setup jeff carter's goal in the first period so two games in a row. He bounced back from just inches of extending shootout against the sharks. Which could debate. It's a five game winning streak. He bounces back with shoot out. Goal gets the clutch game winning goal in the third period on saturday. So i'm gonna take gave already even though it's a bit of a cop out considering you just did most of my work for me. I'm gonna. I'm gonna cop out on top of your cop out and agree with you and the only thing i'll add. Is you know when the season started. The second line was lozad. Atmos you and carter. And then i don't remember how the lines of shuffled over the subsequent. I add one point to that you go for so. I don't think the king's ever had a second line and third behind us for two lines that we looked at so that once sat that made me a firm belief that gave lardy and often see you at five on five were two seconds off from each other shorten time on ice. Yes i think that like a lot of people in my mentions got all upset. That blake was out was our second land center right and one in a way because blake so many things well but it was a middlesex and agreed known our nation. You know. I think it was a when those lines were together. It was i think a very clear neither was the second either was the third. It was just the middlesex but that line at least over the last four games has very clearly in my mind established itself as the second line right and and you're right there at the beginning of season there was as i was putting a top three in a bottom nine even some nights But now we're looking at situations against san jose. I haven't looked at the numbers against there's but certainly against san jose there was one night where the co petar line played fifteen minutes at even strength and the larvae line played fifteen minutes at even strength And there have been nights where the Line may have even played a few seconds more than gobert line but cobra targets powerplay penalty. Kill etcetera etcetera. But regardless the lardy is an carter cambay have have earned the trust of the coaching staff. Enough that are. I would say this point just just by minutes given out the second line and and for him to do all the things that you and i have previously stated to earn that trust is great so So good for him. Good for them and good for kings fans. I think that's going to wrap it up for looking back in the coyotes. Moving forward two games against saint louis than two games against Minnesota i will. It's a little bit putting the cart ahead of the horse. But i'll just ask you anyway. i liked that the minnesota game that was postponed got rescheduled later in the season I know that the focus shouldn't be whether or not they make the playoffs. I know it's a weird season. The organization is in that place. You bobble blah blah blah. But if they are going to make some push for the playoffs it does feel like it may come down to arizona or minnesota and so to have a game against minnesota later in the season the chance to pick up two points against them prevent them from getting getting two points. It feels like that might be important. Does that sound crazy. I think those games for sure important. I mean if you look at the standings it's pretty clearly you know three teams are at the top and then there's a group of five who are so los at the bottom so i think those game certainly are important. I mean if you look at where the kings were what ten days ago they were in eighth in the division and then four games later they're now in fourth so i think that just kinda says like what this season is going to bring when you can get wins against the teams who are in that mix with you. They beat san jose. They beat minnesota they beat arizona twice three teams of the four. That were you know in four through seven when the kings were in eighth so like all those aims are going to be extremely important whether they get minnesota now versus later. I don't know how much that's going to be especially this year. Like what either could look like in in a day. Let alone a month or months so think we As i do see your point. And i think that the general point is is accurate like those games are going to be extremely important as the games coming up this weekend right well it gets going rabbit exactly. Thank you so much for joining me. Follow him on. Twitter kings fans. I know that a lot of you probably already follow the king's insider account but he's got a new account. Elliott duly is at it or. Is there an underscoring there. Somewhere dooley l. a. k. Duly alec azer backwards are following him because underscores now. The jack harris isn't covering the kings anymore there is the undisputed must follow account in the la kings ecosystem. So thanks for joining me really appreciate it. Thanks for having me.

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Finding Your Center  Nick Hardwick and Jayme Hardwick (DH 014)

Digital Hospitality: A Cali BBQ Media Podcast

49:44 min | 1 year ago

Finding Your Center Nick Hardwick and Jayme Hardwick (DH 014)

"Welcome to digital hospitality. I'm your host. Sean Walsh Jeff. This is Kelly L. E. B. Q.. Media Production we are recording our twenty twenty health episode at renegade fit camp with none other than Nick Hardwick and his better half Jamie Hardwick. I can't tell you guys how excited I am to have you on digital hospitality. First of all welcome to the show Venture Sean. So part of if you're new to this show part of my job and our team's job is every single week. We are pursuing our thesis. Our thesis and digital hospitality is that no matter what business you're in no matter what product you sell you need to find a way to have a digital presence and that digital presence is so vital from twenty twenty and moving beyond. We're very fortunate as a single unit sports arts bar and restaurant is Spring Valley that we were able to essentially create a media company. Which is why we're here today? And one of the things that I admire is anybody that is thinking differently in this day and age and renegade fit camp finding center more specifically which is the podcast. I just just today heard the podcast between you and your wife. Oh it's so much fun. It was that was episode episode thirteen or fourteen. I think so. We wrapped up a season so basically finding center podcast we put out twelve thirteen episodes. I forget where we're at and it was a pilot to see if it was going to have any traction if people cared if they wanted to listen and to prove its viability moving forward forward so now we have wrapped up the season with Jamie and is episode which was Super Fun and I just listened to it right before we got here and she is an absolute riot edna personality of course really stood out on there and it is viable and we're going to continue a season two but we're going to amp it up a a little bit more well so one of the things that I'm a huge fan of the alchemists the book which is written by Paulo Coelho and talks about the univer speaking to you. Today I've been. It's been a long time. I've been trying to get you on the podcast to hear your story but more importantly for me as a husband Knowing how much my wife supports me to know that you guys are both bold enough to not just share your story as you've transitioned from the NFL into media into owning a business into into being a media company by producing a podcast but by sharing that journey along the way with your wife. And Jamie I know that you are kind of the inspiration and behind the instagram account kind of his transition from the NFL. Can you tell us. How long is this? Not just the podcast but just the idea of really publishing your personal personal life on the Internet. How long have you been thinking about that? So it all started when Nick decided well. He didn't really decide. He got injured in the first game of his eleventh season. Thank you and he knew at that point that he wanted to lose weight and regain some of his health because he played at three hundred pounds for his entire career and he was just ready to shed some of that weight and kind of reinvent himself so that was in September where the injury happened and he made a commitment to himself that he was gonNA lose as much weight as possible while when it commits to something. He is all in so quickly. I wanted to say in a little bit to very extreme dream so in about four months he was down eighty five pounds and we were laying in bed one night. Watch him four months eighty five pounds yes four months. Yes so oh how did you. I'm sorry I'm sorry now. How did you possibly cut that much weight okay? So while I was playing I was taken in about six seven thousand calories calories a day just six to seven thousand calories amount of food every single day I tell the story people get pissed at me is laying in bed. Edit night as the final amount of calories that I take in I would have a pint of Ben and Jerry's and we had an entire freezer docs just just lined up and down with every multitude of flavor that you could possibly have to Ben and Jerry's Chubby Hubby is really good chunky. Monkey super good. Jerry Garcia is kind of back shelf. Carmel Sutra okay. And there's so many this so good and so every night was finished off with twelve to fourteen hundred calories stories of Ben and Jerry's sitting in bed which which is really fun as a wife not trying to you know become the hard about that all was. Do I turn the spoon in over my mouth and like get real obnoxious ice cream or do I just act like it's all business. Here's I just got to put the calories down but it was. I would wake up at four fifteen in the morning to get to work to get the workout in to sit in the hot tub to do all of the film study before the actual meeting started that at four fifteen. I was choking down to three hundred calorie protein. This all offensive lineman all defensive. People are naturally built more for the job. I showed up to college and I weighed one hundred ninety five pounds. I was in Marine Corps. ROTC HI in tie tucked in shirt jeans probably a little too tight and a little too short where Jimmy no she. Cool who'll mic. I showed up at one hundred ninety five pounds and I ended up getting up to two thirty as like just putting on weight I had suppressed myself during high school as a wrestler. I cut forty eight pounds my senior year. So I think I just just suppressed my growth in stunted my growth a little bit so when I get to college I was one ninety five and I just took off and I just started growing and I grew another inch or two and then just put on thirty five pounds before I ended up my four semester walking onto the football team so then it then it was just staggering very serious serious stress on your body. Oh Yeah and then once I walked on I put on another fifty pounds within about five five months so I could move to defensive line where they moved me at two hundred and thirty pounds. Wow Yeah so what. A lot of people don't understand about nick is he's always been like a master astor body manipulator like he can lose fifty. He can gain fifty real quick so for him. Losing that eighty-five in four months was not crazy. It was just what what he had done in the past. Yeah I knew what I was doing and I devise a little plan that I came up with not recommended anybody out there watching. You're listening. This is not doctor recommended and I I have passed along this diet to multiple people now who have asked me but only ones that I knew could handle it. So there's there's a couple of naval academy offensive and Defensive Linemen. There's like six of them in this group who reached out to me one was from San Diego and he asked i. How did you lose the weight? GimMe the Diet. Because once they're playing time is done at the academy playing football. They have to quickly get within military regulations and so they've got a real quick amount of time that they've got to lose the weight so I came up with this plan that was essentially controlled starvation over the four months and you have have four meals one day to the next day three the following day one the day after that every one of those meals is about six hundred calories with unlimited veggies so on the one day. You're having six hundred calories so when you think about it I was having seven thousand calories. Go down to six hundred calories on certain days. Wait is literally falling off off of you so I was losing two three pounds a day. You're losing your husband. Oh my gosh. She rapid rapidly. There was a void where you did your like. This is too much. You're skinny. I don't like the feel of you. Yeah and how old are the kids at this point. They were little they were. I WANNA say a two in one two and one. Yeah that's very important to our three. I'm going through right now. Okay my daughter. Six months old. My son is two and a half. So it's I mean we're talking about the time of like everything is craziness. Oh Yeah you're in a minute. Here's a miracle are Gave everything okay totally and so right. When he was kind of transitioning out of football we were we were in the thick of those child? Kinda rearing years where you're not sleeping full night's all attention is on these two little humans you're trying to keep alive Yeah and so. He went through this massive kind of body. Transformation Lance formation and while we were in bed one night we were watching. ESPN and Tony. Tony Kornheiser had made an accusation Russian and said look at Nick Hardwick. This is just another example of offensive lineman using. PD's nobody can you. Nobody can lose this much weight in a short amount any time naturally which is not at all how that works by the way Tony so he should have done a little bit of research like weight. Loss has nothing to do with that but the accusation and sitting there and better with her and of course having an alter ego prior and got really inflamed the really irritated about it and wanted to jump on twitter which was kind of I guess my main platform at the time. Although I didn't regularly use it when I play just a new the union that if you had a voice on twitter and easily quickly respond that was and that was my initial reaction and Alpha. Come back out right. I'm going to show this knee-jerk John I'm GonNa tell this dude what's up and she kind of looks at me and like hey did she like yeah please stop yeah. She's like. Hey that's not. That's not how we're going to do. What did you type? I didn't type anything I was like. What am I going to say to come back to this dude? And she's like no no no. Let's just show everybody how you lost weight and I was like what are you mentioned. Like what will all do the Sensor Graham thing and because I I always miss everything like I miss facebook in college by a couple of years never really used that. Don't know l. how to use that. That well missed instagram. And the League by just like a year two and she's like hey. Let's use this instagram deal. And so I was like all right cool and so so basically. She has taken control of our instagram account from day. One and a lot of it was based on Tony. Kornheiser in his accusation said I was and overstuffed perdue chicken over as his how he said it because I went to purdue so Israel cheeky that he yeah through in purdue chicken every Alpha male the villain that that. That's only fueled Sarah's Tony but now of course I'm thankful now I'm thankful now. I'm just thankful that he threw that out. Because it really steered and gave me direction action to my retirement and here. We are in a gym. That poor now part owners. I mean. That's that's the thing that I mean. I I know that this digital hospital transformation. I mean literally you knew in your heart. That instagram was the answer. Why why did you? Why does share the story mostly because I think aside aside from Tony Tony Tony Kornheiser? Sorry for me Besides him there were other people teammates and just friends that we're all kind of in all of what he was going through both kind of physically externally but also inside as well because transitioning as you know into another kind of career and putting one thing down is a huge undertaking. You know so instead of kind of keeping it all inside and going through it silently I think using being the platform of instagram. To put pictures and information out there it allowed us to share our story and let people know you know. You're not alone in this. Transitioning is very hard ooh spoon. Here's some steps that we've taken that maybe have worked or maybe have not and it was just a really open and honest way for us to convey our story. It's I mean that's the that's the most incredible thing once you realize that it's not just it's not it's not your story. You're you're sharing something that could be of use to somebody else someone else. That's struggling struggling right. You know. And that's the coolest thing you know watching it from afar watching you know you transformed from the person that I was watching as a season ticket holder you know every Sunday a holding lt up in the end zone and clary also incredible absolutely incredible but then to know you know Derek Marceau who's my host host my co host on behind the smoke Being fortunate to watch him here about his story about playing the NFL talking to Shane Wellm who was drafted in the NFL. But got injured Jeremy Clara who's been you know Nice enough to have me into his home me and my wife. This is a serious issue that happens to all professional athletes. Oh yeah you know this this thing that happens we you you work your whole life not even your whole life. I mean you you had a part of your life that you dedicated to becoming a professional athlete and once that time is over whether it's when you decided or whether when your body decides it or whether when the team decides right That happens that doesn't just happen to you. It happens to the family you know. And there's that context that happens that you hear about all the terrible things being a San Diego Sports. It's fan watching what happened to junior CEO. C. T. E.. And all these things that are coming out. What kind of impact did the retirement retirement have? Not just on the house but once the weight loss happened talk about the the next stage. You know it's incredible to to to the thing that's interesting in all tie in the weight loss not just after the weight loss but the weight loss itself I think is really critical and I talked to a former teammate. Today about this. Because he's the big man and he's still a big man and he identifies that way now. I've always been this way and I like being looked at a certain way you likes. It's being talked to a certain way. Because he feels like he's bigger and people just out in public. Treat them a certain way for me. It was really important to lose the weight because it helped me realize that I may want to do that still in. There's no way that I could possibly still go out on that field and protect a quarterback back or fight alongside these guys because those guys would destroy me. My knees would explode if I tried to stop one of their bullrushes at this point so for me. It was a big big part of shedding that former identity. which is really what happens when you're transitioning out of something so massive is that other other people in any other career transitioning out also have this? It just happens early. In a professional athletes life. Transitioning out of the military could happen and pretty quickly and it's a real strong identity. I am a marine or I am a sailor. Whatever you are? I was an even though I tried to fight it. I was a football player. I became a professional football player. Like through and through. Although I tried to say I'm Nick Hardwick. Who Plays Professional Football? I was Nick Hardwick a professional football player. And when you lose that identity. It's almost like you lose your soul and you lose direction and you your decision making corridor that you were once and that was very simple very yes very no very. Am I going to if I do what I think. I'm going to do right now if I make this choice. Am I going to be a better teammate. Or worse teammate. Am I going to be a better center or worse center. If the answer is you're going to be better if the answers are going to be worse than you say no and you put that down. So that decision making corridor then goes away and then you've got endless time mm-hmm a good amount of resources at your disposal and you've got way too many choices that you can make in that to me is the real issue. And what are the real issues with. We're transitioning and then finding passionate again finding purpose again and kind of re identifying who you are in the world. It's very challenging. I mean I can't I can't even imagine you. It's like a caterpillar becoming a butterfly. But having no idea what to do with your wings no Okwu but not only that is you've shared on your podcast about coming home. Not just but at home like he didn't know how that'd be husband. He didn't know how to be a dad. And how did you help him through that so there was kind of a breaking point where he had lost this weight he knew you very well at two hundred pounds. He was not going to be a football player so I feel like he wasn't trying to go back to that line but I think he was floundering because now he's got this hot bod for lack of a better term. The hot dog did he always been longing for the six packs. We had that yes. He had no direction and so it was one day in the kitchen and again we had the very young children. So you know you're you're kind of old it's chaos and he came home and he said I'm moving to Nicaragua. You can have all our money all the house they said. I'll give keep me. Let me have a million billion dollars can have everything else Nicaragua and I was like. I had never been there and had no idea what the hell I was going to do in Nicaragua Aqua- but I was going to Nicaragua. And you know my my initial reaction is you are not leaving me with the infant babies. That sounds like a dream to Nicaragua jokingly but that was when I knew that he needed to go talk to somebody so that was kind of the point that as a family we chose to go see an endocrinologist all of his hormones tested Yeah all of your numbers read and kind of like sit down and figure out what what the next step was going to be for us but it was a scary time and I always say this if he didn't have me and the kids and a stable financial situation you know if it was was him coming home one day feeling this kind of way with no support system. Who knows what happened? You know what could have had. It doesn't matter how much money he had now has absolutely nothing to do. It has to do with you literally being able to be there and say this isn't a you are the man I fell in. Love Right and navigate it properly. That's important so perhaps you would have handled that all wrong but you handled it alright. Karachi were compassionate but also stern so you gave me me enough room to get it out but you also at the same time like not physically of course and not even verbally but I could tell your like you need to get your act together and I'm going to help you do that. And you allowed me the space to get all those emotions out into deal with it but you also like put me in on the right path once again. If you don't handle that properly or you don't have somebody there like you said to be able to help you navigate. Forget that process. It's huge right. It's very dangerous. That's one of the powers of why I'm so excited that you guys decided to publish a podcast podcast episode together. Because I learned how you became a better wife to nick because you were no longer a fan you became a wife right and he needed that. Yeah tell me that. And then what also provided not only direction. But I guess for me the reassurance that you're still my man yes and I still love you and I may married a guy who was almost one hundred pounds bigger. I like you the way you are then and I like you the way you are now and we're going to get through this together and that was super important moment of reassurance. You're still my man no matter what you do you're are still my man and that was everything because then it's like okay. She does still love man. She's still proud of me. Regardless of what happens from here on out so now we can move forward. And I think that's the powerful thing too because as as men and women I mean has meant that I always think of myself as the Alpha male and I heard you refer to yourself as the chief fundraiser fundraiser phenomena. I think I might steal literally. That's but that's what it is. Once my wife I had to let I had to get out of my own way and understand understand that our house is her domain literally. I had to get housebroken. Which you talk about and that makes but it makes me a better man but it's important to have those conversations because those conversations are being had pretty much anywhere at least not publicly? They might they might happen with best friends. You might go go to your best friend and have these conversations. And I'm I'm lucky that Jack Harris my best friend has helped me through some very difficult times in like in the last year. But it's so powerful when you say say it on podcast and you share it with the world because maybe there's another NFL athlete. Or maybe there's a marine maybe. There's somebody out there that their wife needs to hear that. Yeah and that's all it takes for her to say. Hey let's go see an endocrinologist. Let's go see therapists. Let's go see. Let's just let's investigate. What's happening here right? Let's push pause and let's figure out figure this thing out and know that I'm not leaving anywhere because because right it's all new. You're not going to Nicaragua to come on a plane for that. No Oh yeah have you ever. That's that's the whole deal so I find a way figure. It's you're in a really bad trough right now where I was and let's find a way to get out of this and that's the better worse right. That's better or worse than I think that's lost in society now is like you didn't sign up just for the good times you didn't sign up for the great pictures you didn't sign up for the glory you signed up for everything. He signed up to be my best friend. And so let's take those really hard moments and now we can look back on those and those are where you really come together. It's like when you're going through the s together on any great team that you've ever been a part of sure you remember. Remember the moment in two thousand eight. Darren sproles hit the walk off touchdown against Louis Colts but the time I bet if you asked most guys that they remember when I think back it to my career the Times that I remember being on teams or when you're in the muck when it's awful when you're trying to dig yourself out of a hole in the same goes with every relationship that I've ever been part of his. You can look back when you're feeling good and when you're on the plateau or when you're on the set and you can say look where we came. I'm from Isn't that amazing what we've been able to do since then and just as a partnership a team we can also do those in those. When we're having good moments omits we can look back at the bad moments ago? Those bad moments made us. It's absolutely correct. And when you went to the endocrinologist you get these results. Talk US through. How the brain center came about through that whole process? endocrinologists was completely separate Gig so that was at the very beginning endocrinologist Inter chronologies. I had heard by shrink coach when I was very young. I became Kim really dear for a friend of his and this was before Jamie had finished school and moved out and you moved out in two thousand seven right after we got married but up until then she was at school so a lot of my time I spent with my strength coach. Who is dave reading and Dave was one of the first if not the first strength coach in the National National Football League for the Cleveland browns under Marty Schottenheimer was obviously with us and four and Dave had worn me a couple of things but the big one in he was just so good at seeing knowing this and he said when your career is done you you have to be very careful about your hormones in your body because they are going to fall off the map and I had not thought about it at all up until Intel that day? What I come in and I'm an absolute puddle and Dave warned me about this that that this was going to happen and this was now several months after I had retired in February? Were probably sitting in April at some point had been working at the radio at at the radio station at KGB. One zero one. Five and working with Clinton every day for two months straight. And I remember Dave's conversation with me from years ago I've been talking. This was at the beginning. My career in came up and he said be careful. Your hormones are gonNA fall off the chart heart and basically what happened when I went and got my blood. Tested was that I had the male hormones of an eighty five five year old man. No way where. Yes where. My testosterone levels were Like on the scale they were in eighty they'd wild actual eighty which is mm-hmm like she had a higher testosterone. She got a blood check that she had a higher testosterone than I did it. Which of course your brain's not functioning? The way it's supposed Stewart functioning like an eighty five nine year old man and outside of your strength coach. There was nowhere else ever had. No one told you about that fall off because it's so taboo. Of course sure to talk I talked to about. NFL what the potential dangers are. When when you retire and by the way at the time was that all concerned about your retirement or your transition out of the NFL? That's new that's an all new thing that the NFL has done a really nice job on recently of concerning themselves with is finding guys and Helping Ping them find success post NFL career so this is all starting to be talked about now. But I think this hormonal issue is is one of the last things that's talked about because of course in the NFL. The last thing that you want anybody on performance drugs but people fail to realize allies is outside of the NFL. These are not performance enhancing drugs. These are something that like. I could probably say saved my life as I was at an eighty hormone level and near-suicidal wanted to move to Nicaragua. While you get your things sorted how you figure out how to feel normal stabilized mentally and physically again and then you can start moving forward and finding more success but until you stabilize the good luck. You don't have much of a chance so at this point you guys hazard getting the results. You're starting understand. Okay now we're starting to understand that we're starting to ask questions. What's the what's the next step you you know as a family? The next step was me being welcome back to the radio station after I quit and that day that I David I called him out. I called my boss and said I'm not coming back Monday and are not coming back any day anytime soon and I've got a call from the radio your station thankfully the program director over at the Sports Station Brian Maung called and said hey there's an opportunity here to be be the field reporter and this was in twenty fifteen season. Would you like it. I think you could be really good at it. And they said after coming to my senses and feeling more like myself again as I. I'd love the opportunity. Thank you for calling back. I thought I had squandered that one. Yeah and then at that same time then I and there was a job opening for a morning. Sports Talk Radio Show hosts that extra thirteen sixty and I jumped on that opportunity to and so that just kind of became my insurance in our entrance into the media world and Fox five followed after that and now we do finding center so Israeli. It was like a two prong approach where he had. He had medication intervention but they also had a lifestyle intervention where he threw himself back into into something that he was passionate about. So I think the purpose Gimme identity a schedule. A reason to wake up in the morning it gave me a schedule parameters others like he was saying he had no and part of that too is like I felt like a man again with her like able to provide. Yeah and being able to cliches that has put food on the table because as we had the fruit taking care of feeling important again to my not only to myself but failing important to her shirt and that's really important as in like one of the driving things in my life. I WANNA feel real important to my kids and I wanNA feel really really important to Jamie so having worked at Iheart Thirteen sixty having been color analyst. Having been a sideline reporter now working at Fox five. What have you learned from the media standpoint as far as what you're passionate about? I like getting people stories and I like knot. Standard media stories. I I like getting people's the juice what drives them and what made them. What are those moments as a team that you can pull from? What are the? What are your low moments because in the low moments? You've got a message. If if you're still standing today you got some type of message sent to you at that moment. That says you can move forward. You will move forward and you're going to be better because of this. I WanNa WanNa know what what that low moment was and I want to know what hit you that does has allowed you to survive. Allowed you to thrive after that. So that's that's what I want to get and then as a lot of stuff that I really like to get to is just finding ways to help people find the health and wellness and successes family that we've had and how does the renegade business because it for me it's always fascinating to see you know. When professional athletes tries to transition a lot of people go to media if they're good enough if they're talented enough because that's a very difficult craft and you have to have people around you that support you that show you the way but you also have to want to be there and you have to have the personality for it? That's true you also have to have the personality. Business is something that I'm sure every. NFL athletes assumes that they can just get into business right. They warn you about the do. Yeah so the. NFL does a really nice job while you're playing and they did even while I was playing so they've gotten better at the transition part but why we're playing. They had entrepreneurial real type schools. They wouldn't put you in for two weeks and they did them all over the country and I was thankful to go to one at Warton at Vania for two weeks. Some of the smartest professors in the world and the one thing they tell you is. I wouldn't try to come onto your and play professional. There you go there like don't try to get into my world and do what I do on a daily basis and so that's I mean as far as renegade goes world part of renegade. We don't run renegade. We don't do the programming. It wasn't even our concept what we do and I think the thing the we provide to renegade is and what we'd like to think we provide to renegade is community and togetherness and kind of that a little fabric but the business is handled by a guy that you'll have to talk to at some point bill his name the Canoe Group and then the gym itself off on a day to day basis and all the programming and the mad scientists and the guy who came up with the concept and this is his personality is Jamie Rice and he's is renegade Jamie on instagram and Jamie's fabulous and this is his baby and Jamie Jamie foulness as is like one of the founding members of this thing that you're like one of the first ten or fifteen members ever in this place really. Yeah because she was kind of. You'RE A to a gym. I call myself a gym. Hor better experiment. Yeah I could never find something I love to do. I was it's like. Oh I'll try yoga I'll do pilates. Yeah I'll go all of it and I enjoyed all of it But as a former College Jaghlit I found this gym on my way to target like joost MOMS find. Things near targets is big big into this totally and I was driving target one Dan. I saw the black flag out front and popped in and said what's the deal and they said well you can come try three classes for free and I fell in love. I think within the first ten minutes of being being in the space it was just. It was everything that you know. A former athlete needed to feel that competitive. kind of juice flowing again It was a great sense of community. Eighty you're pushing yourself to go. You know further but not competitive with anybody else and I got home that day and that was in May and I told Nick Nick about it and I was like dude I found Jim. Like you're going to love it and it has never been into group fitness. He's always been very intrinsically motivated where you can go in the garage and do everything I need those people around me pushing And so from May to October. I talked about this gym. I was frequenting to try and finally in October. I got him in here October. What year that was three years ago? Right so sixteen sixteen October sixteen. Was it that that long. Yeah sixteen or seventeen but the deal was for me. The proof is in the pudding so she kept telling me you're GONNA love it. You're GonNa Eleven Mike Okay. Sure you've been this Jim Horn. Use Your words like you've been. And then she stabilized at one place cool so that was like a big okay. What's going on on over there? But I saw the results coming out after two children back and but that she was put on the shoulders. And I'm trying to the gym. I'm doing okay. But watching her. Progress through this system was staggering to me and I was like art art. I'M GONNA try. I'm going to give it a try. Came for a class super skeptical of course but through all of my years high school training basically on my own college college at purdue with a really top notch strength coach where I made some massive gains and then threw three strength coaches in the NFL. Like I came here and I understand through those years. What a good program feels like a guy? Just I know it. It's almost innate at this point it's like I know what a good program feels like so I came on that first day and like she said it was her jam. It was it was my jam. I'm like this is it. The Super Rad Darko the Program Museum. I can tell because I've taken thirty thousand body hits. I know if a programs got good balance. Yeah I know. If my body's in alignment I know if they're teaching correctly Ackley like I feel everything and so I knew the program was very smart. Really intelligent I could see the gains that she was getting coming out but the atmosphere was where it was for me. It was like we hadn't been to the club and danced in years but here we are banging hanging weights and it felt like I was at the club and the music's loud and it's dark in here and he got the blue lights in as far as parents. You realize like Shit. We used to be young. We used to be really man used I used to be. This is where you come and you got the mirrors and you're moving and everybody's in St. Get it just felt right. This is I missed this like I missed the gym. I Miss Being with people at the GYM and working towards a goal although here it's a little bit more ambiguous like this. The Captain Patch. I Miss Yeah and I and I miss. I missed a shared energy. And you get that in tight spaces like this where the energies flying around the room where everybody's pompous Pompidou's hard as they can and she said it was more cooperative than competitive but you're competing with yourself and you're putting out these vibes out into this room and it's just bouncing off the ceiling the walls and you're just feeling it and you're in that space. It's like recess. Yeah it's it's like. I had a great recently. Santa Claus dominated adults at recess. That's that's what we found here tagline. I think a lot of other people have found. The exact exact same thing is just this is how adults club. And how many renegades are there in San Diego now so there's three we've got a lease out on four which we're trying trying to speed that up but it's just that's going to be in Pacific beach also. We're just waiting on the construction to get done over there and that's not on our end. It's they're having issues. There was an old auto service building and so I think they're having issues with permitting kind of getting that done. It's like a total makeover so they got a lot of work to do so whatever that's done there's kind of a sweet spot. It's like two thousand to two thousand five hundred square feet too big and you lose that energetic. A in fact. Yeah Yeah So. We want that feedback. You don't want the energy to dissipate and so you can go to any you gotta any. Yeah you can go to any so we have this one here in the point Loma. We Got Hillcrest Mission Hills North Park. And we're always looking to expand but it's kind of finding that right size that rights space and a community center so center finding center. Yes I know your producer probably executive producer of the podcast. Oh Oh yes. Oh yes she finds all the guests that reach out of this person so one of the things about digital hospitality about podcasting about new. Media's it's it's you you go where curiosity leads you and I think that's one of the things that's attracted me so much the podcast. It's you guys are putting out is that you're putting out conversations with authors with people people that are navy seals that people that are sleep therapists Sleep experts and somebody that absolutely loves the work. That Arianna Huffington is doing for thrive global. I mean she started Huffington Post but she had a major breakdown and it was all based off of sleep and now she's committed her life to thrive global which is is talking about sleep which nobody's talking about you guys are talking about sleep in these episodes But they're not just about sleep you're talking to former. NFL athletes. Tell Me Tell me about finding center and the pillars family fitness food and football which is the hardwick way. That's that's that's life for us and so it's finding experts in fields that we can talk to supervisor interesting people bestselling authors. There's people that have a novel look at life where people who have done so much research and spent twenty years. I was really listening to one of our podcast This morning with Dr Sue Kleiner who has the first sports nutritionist in the national. Football League hired ninety one to the Cleveland browns under Bill Bella check check. who had it? It'll Belichick Bill Belichick with the Cleveland Browns. who had it in his contract that he was able to develop a sports nutrition? PERF SPORTS PERFORMANCE NUTRITION PROGRAM WITH THE CLEVELAND Browns in ninety one. Nobody was talking about Trish in ninety one so he was able to do that so finding people and a lot of them come honestly Jamie reads a lot. I read a lot and so it's kind of a reach out to this person. Will they come on SUV and people are just so gracious with their. This is really cool and I think it grew really organically from the instagram account and is putting out kind of our lifestyle as a family and you know his transition and then he was able to Kinda take his experience in the media. Yeah Roll that over and so now it's like this perfect kind of baby. That's been soaring. Yeah with his media background and with you know the health stuff that we've we've become very. Yeah yeah and that's exciting. You know wrapping up one season. It's always on the PODCASTS. At this has been four years in the making right. That you've been thinking about something like that yes. You don't know until you do it until you jump off the cliff. You don't know what's going to happen you have no idea. Is there going to be a parachute. It'd be soft landing hard landing and I think one of the one of the best things to do is to start. You know once you start but you do it in the way that you want to do it you know and I just finished a book by by Brian Grazer. Who Incredible Ron Howard is partner? They've done thirteen billion dollars worth of films beautiful mind he talks about curiosity conversations. And it's something something that has literally led him to the incredible filmmaking career that he has but those curiosity conversations those are essentially podcasts. I mean he's not producing them as podcasts. But You know now tim Ferriss interviews him when he writes a book but we all learn different ways. You know whether you're a video whether you learn visually whether you learn by audio And and one of the things that I love is that something that if you're curious about it and if somebody finds you then they can learn just like you. Do you know and you guys had a an incredible author on from range. Range The David Epstein David Epstein for me. I'd listen to podcasts and I find books that I wanna read because of the authors that have come on. That's right tell me about David David Epstein. Oh Super Rad. So David Epstein wrote the sports gene which was a New York Times number one bestseller. I mean phenomenal book. And then he followed that up and this is talking about being curious. He's like a lot of people. Wanted me to do another sportsbook. I didn't WanNa do a sports book. Because he's come into a new place in his his life. He's got a baby now and he wanted to do different things than this. One was called range y generals triumphant a specialized world and. It's since become a New York Times bestselling book because he's absolutely fabulous and he started the first chapter was tiger versus Roger. Roger Tiger Woods versus Roger Federer and. He drew his old crowd into the new book but then he took us in a completely different direction and and it sat so well with me really resonated because as a parent I think we can get really caught up in in trying to throw our kids into the right thing and finding the right outlet for them and putting him in this one sport or this one activity piano whatever it may be and doing that over and over and over again because we hear the ten thousand hour rule. Yeah well this book has shown us that the ten thousand hour rule is false and David Epstein goes at length to prove that to us to show us through anecdotes dotes that that is not the best way that the most successful people in the world have dabbled in everything and then when they find something that they're passionate about they can take all of these concept's from the fields that they've dabbled in and have not be afraid to change or to deviate and they have been able to take those concepts and to put them into the one passion that they've got now and so adjust sat so well with me like my high school to college to walking onto the nfl to me like everything about. It sat so well with me that I had to find a way to get him on and I was incredibly thankful that he did. I've seen an incredible. Yeah I mean that's incredible. That's the digital hospitality sending your mission mission out into the universe and seeing what happens because I had heard about this tiger versus Federer comparison. I don't know where I heard it but it took your interview with him to know that that's the next book because I'm a new dad you know and as a new dad I grew up watching kids get forced into soccer. You know getting forth like this is the only spoiler GonNa play and some of them were miserable you know and I know some time some of the most successful athletes. They did have the federal model where they were allowed to blade. Multiple Different Sports with my best teammates were the exact same way as me Antonio Gates to College College. Basketball basketball was a defensive offensive linemen and a tight end and then he moved left guard. I mean it's still within the realm of football but it's but everyone focuses on the tiger story because that's the that's that's the miracle story. Yeah what I loved to it at two and what I loved about the interviews you even got him to talk about Mozart which everyone assumes that Mozart was brilliant lenient pianist that obviously his father probably made him Mozart but really it wasn't even that way you know and I don't I don't WanNa ruin the story because I want people to actually listen to that episode but but it's the episode NAM it's phenomenal because that's the storytelling and that's the story. That's the depth and the context that you're able to get when there isn't constraints on what you're able to talk about. You can go after a guy like David Epstein. Who's got an unbelievable story himself? So you're big ask in twenty twenty for season two so we've got a couple on big ask. We've got a couple that one just got back to me today. So I'm super excited about this. One is names Kelly Star and and Kelly wrote becoming supper leopard. So for like mobility and the mobility world he is the dude and real. Yes so he's got a whole old program now called the ready state and he's the ready state on instagram. So He's a big ask and then one that we just recently locked down also was coach. Aaron Feld who is the Oregon ducks strength and conditioning coach. which is really excited about Aaron? Feld and he's the one with the curly Chris Ash Josh. He's got an unbelievable instagram page. And he's a great teacher so I'm looking forward to that conversation and then I also WanNa have more football players on because I want those guys to share their lessons in the in the lives that they lived and I don't think this the story of the man is told enough and I'd like to hear more of that. Yeah is is more of the lessons that they've learned and the stories that they've got to share and Jamie who's your big ask that he doesn't know somewhere in the back of your mind with that. That's the cool thing about podcast. Once you start doing a you go. Oh I wanna I I WANNA know more about that story. I really want him to have Philip rivers on the podcast and private fills pretty private guy won on a long form three hour joe rates how I mostly I really want to hear about the inner workings of House with nine children. It's America it really can't I just can't forget about upsetting to me. Is like the story behind the man because everybody sees Phil as a fierce competitor editor in a great quarterback. But what I don't think they know is what an incredible man has been. Dad He is you know as yeah. He's a better human by far than he is. All fame quarterback right saying something. She's pretty incredible. So that's who I personally. I want to hear that story story. So Twenty Twenty Philip Rivers. We have some other incredible guests lined up. How are people? How can people find you on instagram? Both Nick Hardwick and do we recently got A. Did you know we have an Instagram for finding center podcasts at finance our podcast. Jamie Dot Hartwick. Will you guys are incredible Red White. I honestly why emmy everything we talk about including the books The episodes those will all be in the show notes. Stover my producer. WHO's over in Portland doesn't incredible credible job doing that? We'll do a blog post also have a youtube Behind the scenes you guys can check out renegade With our team. Blew Vision here. But thank you for for your honesty. Thank you for sharing with the Internet. Thank you for being incredible wife. An incredible husband credible leader. We're really excited to see what you guys do. Twenty twenty and beyond and thank you for having. This is awesome

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Managing Expectations

All The Kings Men

49:18 min | 1 year ago

Managing Expectations

"You're listening to all the king's men the official podcast of the La Kings was shot fought off circle or circles the goal pass off Hawaiian escapee stores. SLAVER THIS I in La Gig it snaps. This award walk scoring drought for La. They're all the board it. Now here's your host Jesse Cohen. Welcome at King's fans. I am Jesse. Cohen this is all all the king's men. There's GonNa be a lot of audio content coming your way this week kings fans we've got new episodes of Fox and faust and the rainy day. PODCAST should be available to you before Wednesday night's match up against the planes staple center. We've got the episode. You're listening to right now. Obviously and we are planning on resuming the post game podcast and of course there there anymore. Trades I will try and have as many episodes talking to as many people as possible. Alec we do with the Clifford trade after that. We're planning on doing an episode the afternoon of the trade deadline's as we can. Have it ready for you that evening. You can keep an eye out on social media for those episodes or you can go to. LA KINGS DOT com slash. PODCAST subscribe to all of them are fine. La La Kings podcasts. In the meantime Jackson Lonski is here to help me Crown King of the week. Well King's home from their road trip and so it is time to name a King of the week rough rough week but we have to do Jack we do Jackson Bonski joining me. Now to name the King of the week this is the segment that I used to do a lot. Then sorta got away from it. Then try to get back to it and try to get away from it again. We're back now. We're GONNA try and do it so kings on five game losing streak Also a ten game losing streak Eastern Conference lovely thought. I'd point there on on so and four other road trip which is all the games that we could have pulled from? They played well though into well to the gains. I'd say I. Yeah well I mean Washington. I'd I would give him credit for like a fifty four game then. New York was good and bad. They played well. They had a two-goal lead. I believe leave than they blew it on the islanders. Yup Yes sorry there's to New York New Jersey scored there goals in a minute and twenty. So I mean that's yeah Gav seven-minute span where they played even and then New York just Kinda one bowl game until late in the third but they were behind the whole game. It's hard to give up a goal in two minutes. Twenty three seconds. It's the point of all that is just say We had to get creative for the king of the week. So we're going a good way to put it through three. We'll start going backwards. Third Third Star King of the week third king the Prince of the week Martinsburg. No I think he's another guy who I don't think we had a lot of expectations Coming into the year with and in all honesty. He's a guy that I think we have to reconsider on being a part of the future. He's on a one year deal. He's twenty five. I believe Obviously you got a lot of hype with the one hundred nine point two mile an hour slapshot but there's more to his game keeps producing it two goals and two assists on the the week and that Tend to three blowout. I think he had three points or four points in that one the alone. So there's reason to be optimistic with them and I think he has the potential to be a part of the future with the king's son graduates Martinsburg third third came week. Yeah Yeah on a Great Week second-place getting in the way the Lardy I believe we're going to go with of Lardy Guy that sent a bumpy road over the last year and a half two years. Here's but he seems to be getting back on track showing a lot more of what we drafted him in. I think top ten I believe right around ten eleven eleventh. Yeah right with carpenter was drafted so He's a guy that I think we're going to be seeing sooner than later It's just a matter of you know now if he can stay healthy. Keep his back in shape and Keep that skating improper so four points as well three point night In the tend to three win the An assist in the three one. Five one loss to Tucson so He's showing a lot more lately so we're going to see if we can get him up called up to the NHL Certain we'll give lardy number two and don't worry we are not Relying exclusively on the Ontario rains ten to one win. Yeah to populate this is for the for the number one spot the real king of the Jacqueline we got to evermore. That's right welcome back. Welcome Home Trevor. Californian native goal in his second game Played twelve minutes of In the first game against New Jersey and then had a nice goal To make it interesting against the Rangers and the last game of the home The road trip so borel good. You know he's a guy that I don't think we took lightly when we wanted him in the trade for Clifford in the two third round picks along with Campbell so it's good to get a prospect out of it. It's good to see a guy that is you know quote unquote. Nhl Ready or has the opportunity to Cracked the lineup. Moving forward so a young guy that has shown hoping Toronto and now is off to a forty one goal pace and eighty eighty two game season. That's right And and you know. Look obviously he plays a totally different game than Kyle Clifford. But I did much yes. I didn't feel like he was out of place. I thought he looked pretty good. The Bumped up the second line but I thought that launch I think is a needed Move in just in general to see if can bake in log with more minutes of ice time And then on top of that Kenny produce against you know maybe a little bit better of competition when your second line is going up against the first or second line of post to your third line oftentimes going up against the opponent's third line. I feel bad though. Because he's right he's got speed and he goes from Lozado Agar where everyone's got speed Carter order a little bit slower of. Yeah back nothing. We're he's in his own looking around going. Where's the zone ahead of his linemate? Absolutely absolutely that is so Martin. For Gabriel for Lardy and trevor more. Congratulations this week's kings of the week. Thanks very much. Jack with two Wednesday after the game actually was before and after four-and-a-half and then again next week for another king of the week. Is there joining me today in the La La Kings conditional third round. Pick podcast studio Robin Dutton. How are you doing this morning? Robin not bad. Jesse how are you. I'm good look I've they've been incredibly guilty this year of not following my own advice and ignoring my own mantra so we constantly say happiness as measured by expectation and I got my hopes up and my expectations up and this road trip was an excellent reminder of why one shouldn't do that. Yeah my prediction wants to you into and it was definitely a little overeager mine was one in three in apparently that was also overeager. Can't really blame US though Kings have two wins in the calendar year and one of them came in overtime. Not that that negates its value. Are you but this team is struggling. at the moment at least yeah and I'm going to play a clip real quick from Todd McLellan clown here following the Rangers game because it sounds to me like a man who knows exactly what he's got on his hands. That's kind of the same the script that we've seen many times for comparing it to the game last night in New Jersey. I like this one a lot better than there are a lot more players involved so there's some things that we can look at and Accentuate as is doing well. And there's other things we still need to get to work on improve on and You know it's kind of it's the same story over and over again but that's who we are and that's where we are. I don't know how you but to me. That just sounds like a guy who's is come. WHO's at total peace with where this team is right now? He doesn't have any expectations so he can't be disappointed in in his team. Yeah I think he. He knows the personality has on staff and he's excited about the progress that they've made this year but he very well in the back of his mind knows. There's a a long way to go. And every game they're just working towards getting effort level back and You know trying to get a win here in twenty twenty. It's I mean I find myself agreeing with him because if you look at any specific game in the four games you can point to positives you can say like against Washington Ashington. They had a lead in the third period and they gave up whatever three goals four minutes and then against the islanders you know there was strong heart but they came and New Jersey. Will they outshot them. And you know the shots from the right part of the Aisin winning battles and everything. But they didn't score any goals in the New York Mclellan Centers. Just one goal game late in the you know the third and quick quick as of a quick gold but no pun intended. But then the rest of the game but ultimately what you're left with Is A team that is struggling to score. Goals isn't very good. And frankly this point I am expecting them to catch Detroit Troy for thirty I in the NHL. And I'm I like what I think of. McClellan I'm strangely a piece with at this point. Maybe a week ago I would have been really upset but I think right now to at the trade deadline looming. You know. It's what everyone's expected. We're going to be sellers at the deadline. were making these big changes. I think that's in a lot of these players minds and I think everyone will settle down a little bit after that happens and we'll be able to focus on what the end of the season looks like and what next year looks like but right now it's just very rocky it is so that brings us to the topic of trades and this roster and I'm GonNa give you I'm going to go off on one of my little tangents but I'm GonNa give you a choose as your own adventure. PODCAST you've got two doors One leads to the kitchen and one leads the laundry room. Which one are you choosing like to the easy way more than I like? Nobody likes to honour which is probably why should go down. But I'll stick with the kitchen so I'm assuming most people find themselves in in a similar situation that I find myself in right now. which is I need to go grocery shopping I I really really need to go shopping. I feel like that's the constant state of my life. Every time I go a food right away. It's gone so I find myself. I don't want to spend the money to eat out because it just compounds and all of a sudden you know. There's hundreds of dollars missing from your bank account and you go. I don't understand all right eight out every night for two weeks but I don't want anything that I have because what I have in in my fridge right now is a bag of Romaine lettuce a couple of tomatoes Somany's some catch up And and some leftover hamburger buns that I bought when I wanted to make some hamburgers. But I don't have any hamburger patties and I've got a bunch of chicken noodle soup I've got baked baked beans. I've got some tuna fish and that's it oh in some microwaveable MAC and cheese cups. Boy Yeah now. I don't WANNA WANNA go grocery shopping because I don't know why it's not laziness it's just a weird inertia but I'm hungry and I don't WanNa go out so I forgot. I have some salary alary so I wind up eating a tuna fish sandwich on a hamburger bun with lettuce and tomato. But there's nothing thing else with it because it's not soup isn't really great but I could not even satisfied. Are you know. But I won't die of starvation right. That's the two thousand nineteen twenty kings to me like eventually. I'll go grocery shopping and I'll get you know some sort of meat product. I'll get more vegetables. I'll get some fruit. I'll get some cereal. Get some actual breads such as eating. He's terrible hamburger buns chips. You know I'll get some Chili. I'll get food proper food that I enjoy preparing and eating but for now I'm just sort of writing out. You're making the best of what you got. Yeah 'cause 'cause I'd like in my. There's some tiny little voice in my head that says well. You don't need to go grocery shopping. You have food that will sustain you for another day or two but like by Thursday. I have to go grocery shopping. Right So it's a tortured analogy but like I said I just find that. What would it trade in this analogy? Are you ordering delivery. My roommate got a pizza. And you said it's sitting in the fridge for four days and like hey. You asked me if you could use some butter the other day because I have butter you know. Give you a stick of butter for once Lizzy see your pizza right fair enough. I guess I don't know but that's I mean that's it like and it's hard it's not not fun and it's difficult to Invest in emotionally but this team is presently coasting on hamburger buns and. Yeah I mean it is hard emotionally like you said I think everyone was shocked when Jock Campbell and cal. Oh Clifford one last week. And that's just the beginning. I think of several more changes. So it's GonNa be kind of a long road to get to what the future looks like but unfortunately it's going to have to take those changes to get there. Yeah I suppose Kyle Clifford Trade would be like when you actually go ahead and eat. The one thing you've got left and now when you're that much closer to like now I really have to go but I don't or maybe you're street's blocked in the grocery store. I don't know like a yard sale. Analogy you have this old You know maybe tennis racket the choice love but you don't really play tennis anymore. It's not that good for you. See you sell it for a couple of bucks would you. You can go buy. Maybe a baseball glove later. Is this a little bit. I mean I still now. This isn't about the knowledge anymore. This is just personal but I mean I. I still have my hockey helmet. I haven't played in thirteen fifteen years. I'm not gonNA By still so have it right. You'd make a terrible GM. That's probably you bill. I held onto my flip phone iphone. I four because the exact opposite like it looks like Marie Condo came into my apartment and read the whole well. The weird thing is ordinarily I am I am a a radical minimalist like I don't have anything on my walls. I don't like to have a bunch of stuff but the few things that I have have I just cling to forever. It's not even it's not like I said I've had a flip phone for way too long. The car I drive live is going to sound offensive but like I don't have to drive that car. Get another car but I like that like. I've driven that car across country the story of how I got it. It's fine so like why would anyone sorry. So you last episode you had cal Clifford's goal psalm. which was Brooklyn done? Yeah I think it was hillbilly So I think you're getting into the country. Have you heard Dirks Bentley's I hold on. I have not. I hope I got song. Let me you're gonNA love or it's about how he still drives his old pickup truck. Because I think it was his dad gave it to him or something and it's just the meaning behind it and so that's a really good song that describes sorry. I'm pulling away from the micro to give an example of what I'm talking about. Is there like this wallet. I'm holding up the wall of her on. It is leather beaten. It's torn torn but it's it doesn't look great. It used to be black leather and now it sort of Brown you know the look. You're giving me as you look at it. Look I frequently get. Potentially attention ran over it with that car. Yeah this leather was purchased in Venezuela by my mother on a trip she went on and she brought it back for me now that it doesn't make it special or anything but it holds my. ID and cards and money and it does the job and it's from Venezuela so I keep keep it people say why don't you get a new wallet and Shrug it. I go to New Orleans for this. One wallets just went anyway. That's a lot of decisions. We make Anka's he I think are very emotional and I think Trevor Lewis had a quote recently and he said you know getting down on a defense lawyer. We're losing people. And he said that he obviously he had his twins here. He's always been a king. He wants to king but the end of the day. It's a business. Don't that's exactly what it is so I think you can't let your emotions get the better of that even though they are deeply deeply involved. So it's interesting that you bring that up. I was just talking to my father on the drive in here here today and we were talking about and by the way thank you for everyone who's reached out and told me what a great guy they think. He sounds like. He's not he's actually a monster but just kidding getting but we're on as as striving and we're talking about the fact that it is a business no matter how much we want to ignore in fact it one hundred percent is the problem. Is it from a fan. Perspective is the teams and particularly the Marketing Marketing Department of those teams. You know the problem. Yes your Sh. But I mean the the gap grows when the teams in the League and fans. I mean it's it's everybody we talk about it as if it's more than just a business. Yeah right like you. I know you've seen the facebook battles where some fans say real fan support the team no matter what and then another group says real fans want the team to win and so you have to cut out the things that are stopping in on you. Get these weird emotional clashes where everybody's incorporated this this company into their personal identity and then and boom how clever gets traded and a bunch of people or or Kyle. Jeff Jeff Campbell Jack Campbell. And as you know the other Montreal's as Never Fall in love with your backup goalies always and I can't tell you how many messages from people saying I know I know you you're saying but I can't help it. I did it again. Yeah it's I mean it's our job to market these guys hockey players. A lot of people don't know that much about just private team I type of mentality. And they're awesome. Greg is a lot of them super humble family man like and so I think I mean cal Clifford jock Campbell especially were loved by their teams the fans and we definitely very lucky to work with them and so We wrote an article Article V Clifford that was zero where he shared his family story in his history. And it's really hard not to fall in love with these guys just because they are so great but at the the end of the day. That's why hockey so fun is you can still watch the maple leafs even though you're not cheering for them and and still want Clifford to do well and seeing them I think him and and Campbell and Muslim went out for dinner with Martin and kind of fun just to see them all bond together and so I think that's I mean it's a part of the game but it's still fun to to see them move on their store even though they're not on the team and if you are fifteen to thirty maybe not thirty but if you're fifteen to twenty five you grew up with Kyle Clifford in Kings Jersey. If you're twenty five to thirty five. Your formative years were spent celebrating cow Clifford in a king's right. The team was good. If you're thirty five to fifty or fifty I five. The kings were terrible for most of your adult life and conflict represents this window where they finally broke through and succeeded. And now you're terrified. Ride that you know that's it. There's two thousand twelve or two thousand fourteen and it'll be another forty years before it happens again so I mean I understand why people develop up these emotional attachments to these players who they don't know or maybe they've met them handful of times. But you feel like you know them because you see them eighty two nights a year you read. What about them or there's interviews or the black and white pieces or hello El et Cetera So yeah it is this like I said the gap grows because we want to emotionally. It's not fun if you don't emotionally attached Yeah it's almost like the cash right to you. Were trying to make you fall in love with them. And then you're you can have a cup at some point. It's it doesn't mean that the relationship wasn't worth having so I I am terrible give out love it and I shouldn't in. Here's why a friend of mine recently. His wife they've got two kids will now. They've got three but at the time they had two kids and the wife and the kids wanted a dog and my my friend as every Sitcom Dad in the history of the world has said No. Because I'M GONNA wind up being the one who walks it and cleans up its poop and takes it to the vet and I'm not looking to add more responsibility to my life just so you guys can have there so he recruited me because he knows what a terrible person I am and he said Said I said I need you to tell my wife and kids why we can't have a dog. and which is I'd be fair. I loved it I mean I. I'm the idiot who if I'm walking down the street and there's a dog I'm Stopping conversation husband. You said we couldn't get a dog. I think I divorce him. He said honey. You gotta go so. This is what I said to his wife and kids. I said Dr Great. I Love Dogs but all you're doing when you buy a dog is guaranteeing that someday. Go five ten fifteen years from now you're going to have your heart ripped out through your chest. You're just buying the worst day of your life. Let me tell you cried twice. It was when both of our dogs right and but of course everybody who's on the dog and who loves dogs knows it's totally worth it. I watched Marley and me with my little sisters and my little sister's never had a dog and didn't know the cats that they're actually what am I saying. They never ended the dogs but at the time we watched and all three of us were just snot running down on our phases tear tears. You know just but of course you trade it all end but this is why. I said it wasn't last time you and I spoke with the time before. This is why I find failure in sports. More compelling story than success because. I'm not sure that when the Kings one in two thousand twelve it would have meant as much to me had they not been truly awful for even tiny back to the current day us going went through this slump and having this rebuild or recreation. They're calling it. It's GonNa make whenever we win the next cup. That much more exciting and fans are GONNA. I appreciate it that much more. I think I don't know how you can't absolutely sorry to just remember that. Yeah I mean look part. Part of the reason we're going down these conversational rabbit holes is that they are. What are they on a five game losing streak? They won two games in two thousand twenty and with the prospect of more trades. Coming right I don't know if you saw. I'm Seth Jones now hurt and Columbus not that makes Alec Martinez a guaranteed to be traded. But it certainly moves up the timeline for trades of defenseman around the league right like Columbus makes a trade to fill that spot without takes whatever defense when they acquire off the board which increases the value of every other Cetera et Cetera et Cetera There are other you know. It is widely rumored than any player player on the kings who doesn't have a contract season is up for grabs. Yeah you phase to fully Lewis Warburg Hutton Yokum Ryan Martinez has one year left on his deal. I think ray now pretty much anything is possible. So it's hard to say but it's GONNA be exciting exciting couple weeks and we'll just hold on see what happens. Yeah I mean it's the real talking about emotional the bombers one of the one more thing that is sort of unfortunate about this moment in time is that we've got one game on Wednesday against the flames which I'm sure you're very excited about win for the home team for you But then the outdoor game. Yeah and I'm very excited to see the chrome helmets. I am too. I am excited for all of it. I mean just as your I think we'll be awesome. We saw video of this huge snowstorm role in last weekend where it looked visibility was almost zero. It was pretty Pretty bad but the forecast looks grades. Forty four Fahrenheit or six Celsius for Canadian listeners. which honestly isn't that bad? The only thing issue will be that Colorado Sun. If if it's a sunny day they'll get the I black going and try to Make sure visibility is okay. Do you know what the coldest weather you've ever lived through. Yeah I've been in like minus thirty five US which is pretty much you heat up your car from inside you bundle up so your eyes are the only thing showing and then you run out as fast as you can. The winter my grandmother passed away. was I think the coldest winter on record in Ottawa. Oh yeah it was minus forty. My uncle said he picked me up from the airport and he said it it was worth the trip out of the airport. Just to see the look on my face when I stepped out the door and for reasons that I won't get into for the purposes of this podcast and at the not the funeral but the when they actually lowered her body into the ground I had to stand. I wasn't allowed in the cemetery and I had to stand on the side of the freeway that the cemetery was next to and watch from a distance but of course I had dressed for the funeral so so I had you know Not a suit but in Khakis and some dress shoes you know so I was standing there and minus forty a- as trucks and cars or whipping past the no no. It's GonNa be cold pretty cold but I think it should be like the perfect weather. I think Matt Roy Royal John Walker did a little interview with NHL Network last week. And I think just being in that environment having the cold air on your face and being with all the guys outside I think they you should heat up pretty quickly once they get into warm up so I'm excited for fans were in Colorado. There'll be a fan meet up on Friday night which Valentine's Day so grab your partner learn out there for date night or if you're single maybe you'll meet another kings fan. Who knows that'll be from Ford till nine atomic cowboy there'll be drink? Specials for fans in kings scares walls appearance from King's broadcasters and alumni. And if you aren't able to make it to Colorado for the game and if you're back in La Watch party here from four to nine at proud bird with with Balian ice crew. You'll have a chance to take photos wind merchandise. So there's a good place to watch the game regardless of where you are. I haven't attended a watch party in a long long time. What goes on to watch birds? It's a fun environment. I mean there's always some sort of drink specials food specials ice crews there Bailey's they're everyone's cheering when there's a close opportunity or goals. It's there's normally photo booths giveaways. It's just a fun place to watch the game and meet like minded people. Hopefully they'll be goals to cheer for then because I can't remember what the scores and the previous games where I should have those pulled up but not great Bob Great. This'll be our first time playing Colorado. So who knows but Tom. Yeah I think regardless of the score the game. There's also just so so many other things going on you know possibly a fly over and lots of different military tie-ins and so I think NBC's broadcasting the game. I think it'll be a great show regardless of the have come and like we said chrome helmets white gloves and I've got a new. I've got a New Jersey request. I don't know I don't know who I logged with breath. Let's hear it so I was never particularly fond of the fifty th anniversary jerseys and we wear them now every Saturday But when they added the white it's such a small thing but when they added the white trim to the numbers and I guess it's just the numbers for me that makes all the difference it totally changes it I don't know why but it does. I would like to see them. Replaced laced crest on the front with the crown. That Peterson has painted on the top of his helmet. It's the old it's the original crown from the Sixty seven team. But it's black silver and white and I think with a white trim on the front of the Saturday jerseys a black and silver overcrowd with the white on the numbers. And here's the other thing. White gloves sharp. I like that I mean. Hey I'd I'd love to see that to these jerseys fans we get this all the time on social media like get districts you for Saturday's game or whatnot and it there's so much that goes into it the NHL a saying the matter Adidas sums it takes a year or two as Kelly cheesman Hussein to make these jersey. So there's a lot of rules in what we can and cannot do. We wish we had the old jerseys in the locker room to pull out for a game but unfortunately these things are planned so far in advance. But we are seeing a couple of different team jerseys this year so maybe we'll get a look at that. We're going to eighty nine ninety nine. Yeah those are coming up later to watch kanai nineties night. We'll have snoop DOGG. And it'd be really fun throwback that's where we're seeing the heritage for the first time so she'll be exciting. I'm thinking about digging out my out. It's in my closet right. I never wear but his hanging there with the rest of my clothes if I would The First Jersey ever got in nineteen ninety. John Maybe I got my first. I don't remember but it's a robot. Is it sad that that was the era was born. I mean look we ever you know to everything. Turn turn. There's interpreter. We get older every day. That was the best of It's better than the alternative. Well is it. Aw was going to try and make Benjamin Button joke but I never saw speaking of which did you watch the Oscars last night. I did a little bit. We enter game just wrapping up so I kind of tune into the highlights What was is your favorite part? I didn't watch it. I did the only movie I saw was marriage story signed and Yeah I never some of the moves that haven't even heard of yes but I'm not really the best that Kinda stuff But Yeah I think it had a some good moments. I think we've been talking about this earlier. But for some reason the Oscars makes me think of it Let's talk about the process of a announcing a trade right so this past week You know I just got home from work. Shower go to bed and we incoming texts trade trading coming so the process what time what time do you get that attacks. I think it was eight o'clock I can't remember exactly when the house like eight. Thirty he ash. Everything is probably about half an hour to an hour before before it's announced so we get a text. The hockey OPS team. Obviously here's from Rob Blake. This is going to happen. They'll communicate to our PR team who then informs informs digital. WHO's our team and says this is going to go out at this time? Here's the details and we start prepping so basically we start pulling photos of the new players we start making thank you graphics for the players who are trading. Were prepping a press. Release with all the information. And then we're prepping push notifications which are the notifications you get off. Your subscribed arrived and social posts. So just making sure it goes out on all top forms that it looks good and So as we're waiting for the hockey team to give us the official go-ahead. We're pulling all that information so right now. It's Kinda time where you might sleep with your phone on. You never know when it's going to happen but it's it's nice to kind of have that preparation from the team and I know that we can get that information now. One of the things about the trade that I found most I mean think about it until a few days later we were talking about it but it was. It happened at night Late at night I mean I was listening to thirty one thoughts and they said that the trade happened during the game. It was actually finalized while while they were playing. Yeah this time of year. It's funny you think like couldn't they've waited till this player got home or this and sometimes you seem it. They pull players players off the ice in the middle of the game. It's just like when the deals done they just want to close it science field delivered and there's really they don't think about all the other details else Hutchinson. I don't know how good he is or isn't particularly strong game. I wonder if it was one of those things where they had been talking about it. They'd been thinking about it and then the game goes south. We got just do this. I I'd be very surprised. I think they probably we knew for awhile that they were going to figuring out what the return was what they wanted. And then I wouldn't be surprised if like earlier that day or even the day before they knew they were gonNA and do it and it's just actually getting that on the phone. There's this seems so odd not to hold onto it for ten hours and just do it at like nine day. Very strange but Yeah it's the way she goes And I mean from a personal standpoint. Obviously anybody listening to this. podcast knows ordinarily a in the chain of events that you described earlier eventually an email goes out to everybody who's on the email the LA media email. Yeah and so I happened to be on that list so I get a little. It'll notification from my phone. La Kings announced Bubba BUBBA. And then usually I ignore it because I know that. Helene Elliott John Rosen. Jack Harris Lisa delman Josh Cooper. John Hoven you know. There's an army of people who will tweet out all of the. It's the same tweet that goes out and I just figured the world doesn't need one more person right. Yeah it's normally I mean I. I don't know how these people find out things but it's normally out much before collegiate and then from there you know it's up to us. I mean getting the players off of any ad creative removing them from the website like all those kinds of technical things come after after that. But yeah those. Those reports are hot on their Ask you a an editorial question. You mentioned getting the players off the AD creatives which for those listening who don't know what that means. It means if Kyle Clifford is in any ads for the outdoor game you gotTa Yank thank him off of that ad so my question is who sets that standard who enforces that standard and and why of who is on the ads or pulling them off whose decisions that the player must be pulled. I mean as as soon as they are traded. They have to be pulled but have to because of the king's editorial decision or have to because of the league bylaws. You can't advertise. I mean just from a brand Iran decision we I mean I think the League we're not supposed to be advertising. Players are non our team ritual this but from my perspective. It just doesn't look great. We WanNA be advertising players. Who are on our team who are representing not and if the players no longer on our team than it just they shouldn't be on our creative anymore so I think it's a brand in an editorial guideline That it's so easy to swap them out or search creative that we definitely wanna focus on the players. That are still here. I only ask because I think it's the detail that when I first encountered it I'm I tend to reject any sort of authority attempted to be handed to me. Just just out of hand like do. There's no you know what I'm like a child in that way. So when I I encountered this rule it was. It was me who probably tells you a photo. It wasn't actually I was. I was well-heeled by the time that you got here but every renowned then I act out No it was like four or five years ago or whenever it was dwight king last played for the team. And I use the photo That included Dwight King in it. Because I really liked the photo and I won't get into but I'm sure you know who contacted me and said Yeah. You can't use that and I I said well why not. They said you know it has all these wasn't just why king. It was like a handful of guys that were on the team anymore. And I said so what. It's a podcast about this subject and this this photo demonstrates in gave the answer that you gave end at the time I rolled my eyes and I said okay mom you know but the more I thought about it the more I thought. Okay well it isn't incredibly Strict isn't the right word because it has too many connotations. But it's a IT'S A. It'd be very deliberate. Yeah that's that's great. It's very deliberate. Rule bought details matter. And that's one of those like you said it's super easy to change Out and it end to the conversation. I think I had with you about my friend. WHO's the rabbi about? Paying attention little decisions keep you in the moment and you know excellences. It's what you do. It's a habit etc and so it's in that vein that I look to the condition of the third round pick could turn into a second and it was if Jack Campbell wins six games and if the leafs make the playoffs now they lost in overtime to Montreal. Autry all I saw your tweet. We have five more wins ago. Yeah but I think they should have made it twelve points. Not Six wins interesting. Yeah because he got them a point by losing in overtime right and if they go five three and five with him in the lineup and get more more than twelve points they would have gotten with six but he doesn't actually get six wins. It'd be a shame. I'll be really annoyed that we didn't think about that detail that we didn't apply the detail L. that we put the AD creatives right. Do you think we're GONNA get it. I don't know man hopeful I am I when it happened. I thought there's no way that can't happen. Yeah he cares so much about making a good impression there he wants to get off to a good start like I. I hope it does come through. Yeah but like you said with the choosing photos and planning for marketing purposes. I think it's hard to be able to tell someone what to use. And what not to use when they first get here you just kind of have to know what our standards and guidelines are but for example we do a lot of historical pieces rule. Look back at an event that happened thirty years ago or the times when Luke was playing so we can definitely use that kind of media. And we're always. We're doing every Wednesday. We do throwback videos and things like that but in terms of like current promotional nationals. I think that's where the rule is that we want to focus on the guys who are currently in the lineup. I've been under the umbrella as I call it of the Kings this is. This is my sixth sixth year now onto the umbrella and every year I am more and more surprised at how deep the attention to detail got right this year for example. I was the first year that I saw. I don't know what even even called. But the Instructional booklet that is sent to the Advertising partners this is this is what the logo looks like. This is how it should be displayed. Sorry if I'm telling stories out of school here but like yeah and you know it should never this collar should never be more prominent than that caller in this logo should always appear the font and I mean. It's yeah which is why it's crazy. Every time I go the target and I see our logo all kinds of jacked up on a hook there. It drives me absolutely crazy because we are so particular about. It is the little things I mean. I was in marketing for a year. And I've been in digital for the past two which is kind of all the same an empty you just come to realize like those are what matters when it comes to developing a brand and you. You really can't know unless you're here and I think it's it would be fun. We should give the Fans kind of look into it one day but even like the back end of our website looking at how all the teams use the same one. You're kind of manipulating it to fit your guidelines and it's it's really interesting. I mean you learn so much being here in so many different areas. This one is always funny to me when you look on social media or facebook or even just in casual conversations and people will say I can't believe organization X.. Did action wide so stupid. It's so stupid. Why did senator or they'll apply for example I in my preseason Bit where I predicted that the Golden Knights would miss the playoffs playoffs right and somebody and even says on the screen. What Will Jesse get wrong and somebody said to me like well yeah? I've you know the people who do the telecast obviously just having fun with you and I was like no I that bit was planned out and conceived and workshops and like none of these decisions decisions happen on a whim and to your point about the chain of events that have to have enough trade in each one of them has their own rules and guidelines and reasons and so many involved I I mean there's just probably five different departments that touch every decision and so many different people and so I think a lot of times like either. That's the best thing we can do under the rules in the current aren't situation or there's some sort of other meaning to it so I think yeah it's hard to be so quick to judge when there is really a lot of thought behind everything we do. I mean it's a double edge soared because Before he passed we did an episode. Gosh I don't know seven eight years ago where we talked to David Courtney the previous this. PA ANNOUNCER WHO as I said he passed in two thousand twelve but at least he got to see the The First Cup win but he in in the eighties Gretzky. He was the p a announcer and I think he helped design the Jersey. Like the Chevron Jersey. The Graph Scare Jersey. He was doing it right. Eighteen different things. Bob Miller is doing eighteen. Different things in the organizations were much smaller. And so there's an element of you know as we said our conversation earlier about how it is a business no matter how much we want it to not be and maybe twenty thirty forty years ago it was a business but it was a much less efficient business. But you still have that feeling of like a small group of people and we're all doing it together and Blah Blah Blah whereas now you can come in here and you know there's there I don't know ninety percent of the People's names that work in his office And they have no idea who I am either. What was it like? You said. We're all totally little thing. The past five to seven years. I'd say we had Pat Donohue. Who's our senior director of digital production marketing? He used to just do social media on his own and he kind of in this era of sports teams having personality and and making fun of themselves and other people and He used to fire off tweets on his own. And now we have three all of us in the digital team who have guidelines about what we do in this circumstance we clip highlights. And it's just so much more intricate than I think it used to be and whether that's good or bad we're providing a lot of content but it's definitely changed law and growing. which is I think for the better as the digital landscape has changed? I mean I'm not going to get into better or worse because it just this is what it is. I mean you know what I mean like. I grew up with twitter so On the one hand. I think it's hilarious that you know Arby's and Wendy's Fight on twitter but on the other hand since I know sort of how the sausage is made. I know that it's just the Wendy's version of you fighting with the Arby's version of dummy. And you do win that fight. I wonder I don't know either one of you well enough but I'm GonNa go with you. Thank you she's he's got the reach right two inches on yeah I feel like you're scrappy. Thank you and from Calgary so take the song's about a pickup trucks. New Country Song go every episode. Iv are fine with that. I mean as I get older few country now now that we're totally off the rails. Let's throw out any type of template we is country today where pop rock was. Twenty years ago. I mean it's definitely becoming more mainstream. I it's hard for me to say. I grew up in Calgary so all we knew like it's called cow town reasons but it's definitely in L. A. It's become more popular of those festivals like stagecoach and other ones that are coming up and I mean you look into hockey locker room. That's a lot of time. That's what all the guys can agree upon you. Have you know you're wrapping your adm and all that kind of stuff but country. Yeah definitely has a strong place in in today's society. I I'm just too old for like you're not club in his life right like that. It'll happen to you. Everybody listening if it hasn't already but I'm listening to Hillbilly Deluxe and never mind the lyrics 'cause whatever but I just thought like all right you know. It's the kind of music you can drive live. You know with your windows down by the water and you're just kind of feeling yourself a little just gonNa say I was one of the things I used to love in my early twenties was driving to. If wasn't vagus somewhere out in the whether it was you know to the Joshua tree or death valley or you know one of those places we go to Yosemite once a year and so you go through these stretches of desert or Schapper L. or whatever low hills whatever you WANNA call it and Steve Miller band windows down and I was listening to hold it was like all right swap that out with you know one of those dumb songs I've heard on the Steve Miller band greatest hits album million times my life perfectly happy anyway. I think we're going to wrap it up but that problem Thanks for listening kings and hope you enjoyed this Potpourri episode. We'll see what the next next few weeks spring. Yeah I hopefully more groceries. I hope so. I've I got caught. Once we schedule these push notifications where you got an alert on your phone as I mentioned earlier there and just as John Stevens was being let go I sent I scheduled one for Teddy talks up like are light hearted teddy goes and You know shoot the guys and so now for the next three weeks we will not scheduling any push notifications We'll just wait so when Clifford Gut traded the previous episode. I don't know they had lost right and we've done it episode of them. Losing I had the chosen the song Which I know I should stop doing but I just get over it by okay? Go and it's one of my go-to songs There's also so Shake shake it out by Florence and the machine you know basically saying like it'll be whatever we want and somebody who tweeted me and said like excellent use of that song and I and I just picked up my phone. Randomly fry was whatever it was that the trade happened. Didn't know the traded happen wasn't aware of what was going on just picked up the phone hit my notifications and the first one was good job on the song so I wrote this whole long thing about like. Oh Gosh thanks. I spend way too much time worrying about what song is and I know. No one's GonNa care and I know nobody pays now just just glosses over but it makes me feel you know. It's one of those little details like we said. And then I hit send and then and then I went to my timeline right the notifications for his timelines second and then I hit the time line and realized Oh no Kyle Clifford's just been traded and here I am talking about Mike and then the phone rang and it was my dad saying expectations for the next song. Yeah we'll eventually. I feel like the songs are going to have to go away but Yeah I don't know what I don't know what we'll do yet for this one but by the time you've heard me say this of course you'll know but anyway we are going to wrap it up. Thanks for joining me Robyn. Thank you for listening kingsland with autism.

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