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"So, this hearing just going to say it, it was six hours of chaos. So. So many things like individual moments of pure chaos happened this hearing. But because every member of Congress was only given five minutes to ask the questions in and they moved on, no one could process the moments of cash. So here are some things that happened during this hearing. Jeff. bezos just started eating nuts on his call. That was just a thing that you started snacking for the first ninety minutes. It appears that basis had tech issues was operating in some kind of delay. So we didn't hear from him. They just answer any questions and they'd take a ten minute break Jeff. bezos could fix his computer. Amazing. Jim Jordan, who McKenna pointed out. On the show last week is always sort of chaos element. Try to talk over several members of Congress got yelled to put his mass back on floated. Just elaborate conspiracy theories. was when I say was chaos I. Don't know if there's any other way to describe it. I. Think that led a lot of people to think the hearing itself didn't accomplish its goals, but I think in many ways it did. But Kennedy you WanNa Kinda go through what the committee was trying to accomplish the themes they were pointed at in. How hearing played out, right. So okay. First off. Harkening back to last week I mentioned Jim. Jordan's mountain dew obsession. Definitely drink a handful those throughout the hearing I took notes in screen shots. So, I, called it. But regardless of their pores soda choices, there were a lot of lawmakers who definitely did their homework and I think that was really apparent throughout the entire hearing and when I look at. The picture that they tried to paint I think that became really clear in chairman Sicily's opening statements. So this is the guy who liked. And spearheaded the entire investigation from the beginning, and in those opening statements, he pointed out that yeah Apple Amazon Google facebook. There are different in a lot of ways and they exhibit anticompetitive behaviors potentially allegedly and a lot of different ways. But what they tried to pull together and was a story, and it's really hard to tell a story and five minute fragments. But what happened yesterday was Sicily. Ni, and a lot of the Democrats on the Committee wanted to point out that these companies they become bottlenecks for distribution whether that's information or just like APP stores marketplace's they control what gets distributed in how what was really key to the investigation was how? How they survey competitors. If you have so much control dominance over a market or a specific part of the tech industry, you have a lot of insight into your competitors and you can do a lot of dangerous things with that, and then lastly, after that dominance has gained, it's how they abuse it. Right? How they abuse it to make harder for small businesses in competitors and I think that's exactly what Cellini pointed out in the beginning and I think they did a poor job that storytelling throughout the process. But I think that's also our job. Right is to pull that evidence together and tell that story for them in a way that isn't like. Yes, no yelling at CEOS and like stopping them and I think by getting that in the evidentiary record doing all this questioning, I think they really did achieve their goal in the end. Yeah. I mean, I think the thing that happened sort of next to the hearing was that they released a bunch of documents from these one point, three, million documents of clutch. Over the past year, they released pretty targeted selection documents for every company showing some of this stuff, Casey, I wrote a story about. facebook. INSTAGRAM. My I'm going to frame this email or mark Zuckerberg. Literally one sentence, no period. The Andrew says I need to figure out. I'M GONNA buy instagram like I would love to just be in a place were sending that email like super casually like I got this thing to figure out and it's not like am I gonNa buy the model of the car. It's like instagram. I've been thinking of the text messages where so and so says that Mark Zuckerberg's didn't go destroy mode on instagram ever since they got that up. Case she this to Kevin and right that text was. Yes. Well, it was Kevin. System was talking to an investor and Kevin said to the investor. If we don't sell well, mark, go into destroy mode on us and the investor side probably. Of course, stray casual. So there's just a lot of documents and I think one of the functions of hearing was to get those documents into the official congressional record to make the CEO's account for them. That did not seem very successful to me. Is like a takeaway people should have from this hearing, right? No. I think a lot of people that go into these hearings are expecting like these big Gotcha moments and expecting like a lot of news and all this stuff. But it really, it wasn't oversight hearing. You know it wasn't. They didn't come. They came at this like in a report last earlier this week that they came out at as investigators. They didn't come at it to make a big show horse and pony show out of it, and yet I think the CEO's didn't. The record well enough to the extent that they could have. But there was definitely, I was expecting them to do a lot less evasion and I expected a lot less room probation with the documents, but it's just the process of a Congressional hearing. It's. It's hard to do that in a congressional hearing. But if you put those documents out there, you get the CEO's on the record a little bit who does excite this excites the FTC. J, and that's who can take this next and then it's also congress. You know they can't break up a tech company, but they can regulate going forward and it's those three key themes that I pointed out earlier that they could regulate. You know what I mean. They could legislate to forbid companies from surveying competitors and things like that, and that's where this goes. So the format of the hearing, every member and five minute chunks, it seemed very clear that the Democrats had some sort of coordinated evidentiary strategy, they would start and. And they would say, I, want to read this email to you. What did you mean by this email and then Jeff bezos would say something like I have. No idea is on works. I. Was real pattern that developed was basis really not doing or claiming he definitely knows claiming not really no way Wayne is under the thing they did or they would ask sooner Pichai about the very granular add deal google made by an ad product, and soon I, would say I'll get back to you, which is basically all responses. So the Democrats seemed like they were coordinated to move through their documents. The Republicans seem to be doing something else that also seem coordinated intentional, but what was their focus because that seemed clear split my takeaway from Jim Jordan who? We got into earlier, he he was interviewing. As if they were all Jack Dorsey. And as we talked about like, yeah, he invited Jack Dorsey to testify, but he doesn't sit on the antidote subcommittees. Anything. He says, it just doesn't matter. So it sounded to me as if he prepared questions Jack Dorsey and then it was like, oh, he's not coming I'll ask Tim Cook the same questions. Another completely crazy moment that happened just seen by and five minute chunks is that. Represented Sensenbrenner from Wisconsin Dear Sweet Wisconsin. Definitely. Asked Mark Zuckerberg why the Donald Junior was banned from twitter and mark. Zuckerberg was happening on twitter facebook and there was just like a moment of confused silence, and then he tried to move on and that just sort of floated by in the river of chaos to tell you how much chaos there was kneeling. When you started to tell that story, I thought you were going to tell the story about when Jim Jordan asked him cook if the famous one, thousand, nine, hundred, four, Apple Super Bowl, AD was actually about twenty twenty cancel culture, which is another thing that really happened. I think that's out of context. He didn't ask him. He said clearly, this is. That's definitely what Steve Jobs was thinking IBM is canceled culture and Apple's going to break it with hammer and Jeff. Bezos said that social media is a nuance destruction machine and all this crazy stuff from that. It was a wild will that that particular question when Jim Jordan asked, do you support the cancel culture mov, you could see the CEOS like. 'cause they went in order. He asks them all in order. So First Tim Cook just like basically muttered nothing. Here's like I don't. I support speech whatever. The iphone a keyboard like that was his answer. Sooner per child also, just like muttered, right? He's like Google has always supported free expression Zuckerberg like saw the opportunity and took it and the forces of liberalism I rising I, and then basis was like I cannot. I cannot do in like went for it, and that was just totally insane moment. But it also seems like the Republicans were intentional to try to create their own moments where they were yelling at CEOS about bias on platforms is obviously something cover a. At. You were paying a lot of attention that case you're paying a lot of attention to it. Do you think that was effective in creating because you know there's like a parallel conservative Universe Jim? Jordan was on Tucker. Carlson. Last night like was that effective or d think that the CEO's were able to sort of tamp down on interesting the Tucker Carlson pointed out that Google and other companies are all big donors to Jim Jordan another folks. So that is a weird side, but I think it was actually besides the moment where they mixed up twitter with facebook I. Think this was much more effective off. Off Topic yelling about technology than we usually see like are genuinely issues that like they are upset about that, they could point to largely around like cove nineteen misinformation and they could at least like pick those topics and stick to them rather than kind of asking vague questions about like, why is my phone listening to me? Well, they're definitely asked questions about why are my campaign emails getting filtered by G mail? Yes. I should. I should mention that they have really and they have all of these cases where they ask about extremely specific one off incidents that anyone who has used social media knows happens constantly. And, then turn them into a sinister pattern. But I think they managed to come off as sounding more like they understood what they were talking about the unusual. I think that was a real theme of the hearing, Casey. What did you think of this sort of bias side show that occurred? Well, I mean the the idea that conservative voices are being suppressed is foundational to the conservative movement and is behind the rise of conservative talk radio. It was behind the rise of Fox News. Now that social media exists, we have seen it in this new form, but it is sort of being presented as extra, sinister and worthy of. Some sort of legislative intervention what frustrates me about it is that much more than newspapers or or cable news like Mark Zuckerberg Dorsey. These people benefit hugely from having all possible voices on their platform. None of them is incentivized to drive conservatives off their platform. What they are incentivized to do is have rules that make the place safe and welcoming. So that people want to hang out there and so to the extent that there are issues on the platform, they've largely come because these platforms have rules. And you know you would think that a bunch of free marketeers would realize that the alternative to the system that they're so mad about would be creating a new system, but they don't seem at all interested in doing that. So I just sort of dismissed all of them as charlatans I actually thought it was interesting that the opposite track came up, which was the Stop Hey for profit campaign I kind of wasn't expecting that. The representative Raskin I believe asked facebook. Basically, why aren't you kicking more hate speech off. I forget who else asked like look is the point that you're so big. You don't care about advertiser boycotts I. Mean, you know it will here. Here is a fact that the number one complaint that facebook gets from its users, the thing that users. About. FACEBOOK is that it removes too much content and so if you're running the place, you do have to take these complaints seriously in a way. Right? It might not be you know that you shadow band conservative whatever that even means on social network in twenty twenty. But the fact that you're removing content is really upsetting people. So you can't dismiss that idea entirely, but I still don't feel like we're having that intellectually honest conversation about it. So this was definitely I feel like you can connect the you control distribution. We're GONNA show the abuses of power narrative. We got other. Democrats. With the you control distribution. You're banning conservatives right like I. Think what's Sensenbrenner Again, cups and conservatives are consumers to is that people don't realize that like fifty percent of the population in many ways. But facebook has like famous conservatives working its highest levels Kevin. We last week, we're talking about Kevin Roose keeps sharing the list. List of the most engaged content from crowd tangle. It's all conservative content, and that's so problematic for facebook that they're. They're pushing back with other metrics and graphs of their own, making the facts just aren't there, but it doesn't seem to be convincing. Brett Kevin is being asked to recuse himself from facebook case because he's like best friends with facebook I, AP I wrote a column almost two years ago. Now, arguing that conservatives were trying to redefine. Any conservative identified person having any unwanted outcome on a social network, right? So bias is your name was higher than mine in search results. Bias is used suggested that I follow a Democrat and not a Republican right, and if you take action on your policies that apply to everyone against me a conservative that is biased against conservatives, right. So and by the way I have to say this has been hugely successful because we've talked about it. How many minutes now and the longer that these discussions. Discussions. Go on. They just sort of refi people's minds. The idea that there really is a vast conspiracy to silence conservative speech because he's networks are so big millions of conservatives are having experiences like this every day, and now there is an ideology that is basically a religion for them to attach to, which is although Silicon Valley liberals are out to get. Reason I wanted to talk about the conservative side show, which in many ways was a circus is it feels like the notion that we should be punitive to the companies or mad at the company's. Bipartisan, right we were. We were not looking at a hearing where the Democrats were on the attack. Republicans are saying we love. Apple. We're looking at hearing where they were. Everyone was mad. There are a couple of exceptions to that. There were a couple of I think sensenbrenner and a few other folks were like look we want to be clear. Big is not bad. We just WANNA make sure we're not punishing you for your success, but you were like almost entirely, right? Yeah. I. Mean I. think that's it's important to. To capture that mood like Jeff Bezos Mark Zuckerberg, Tim, Cook soon. Darpa, try they usually get to finish whatever sentence they start saying. Right. They're not used to being interrupted. Their thoughts are usually like you know they get to live in complete sentences and people take them seriously here in five in intervals, they were interrupted almost every time they started speaking to be told that they were wrong that they were filibuster at one point Sicily said stop thinking is for the questions. We can just assume they're all good questions. They. Were getting yelled at and they're going yell that about a variety of things that were pretty specific. So you kind of in your kind of structure here. The first one was controlling distribution. What did you hear as a hearing went on the indicated to that? The committee had a case here? I think the apple's APP store is one thing you know charging thirty percent cuts on certain things is just controlling an APP store. It's the same thing with Amazon's marketplace. They can inherently in control what gets placed and what gets sold and you know if they want to play with search results on Amazon, they can do that, and then on facebook and Google, it's not just like products and software that's information. And it could be information when it's like Google. Google. Stealing yelps, texture views right in putting those in its little info boxes in search queries in facebook if facebook is just like an. Mation, distribution platform and. It can decide Algorithm Mickley. Knowingly. What people get to see this bution was very keen to the committee's hearing yesterday and they pointed out different aspects in which you know each company exhibited that kind of behavior. So the one that will you bring up apple? We wrote about this, say there's much emails. Apples document production is just one hundred and thirty pages of unrelated emails and whatever order see it's like scan through it. So there's a lot of little stories in there. There's one about right to repair and apple realizing it needed to repair. By watching PR people operate by reading their emails journalists. Very entertaining. They're like we had a break like here's our strategy. Here's we're GONNA. That's all in there. You can look at it, but there's a lot about the APP store itself and how they're going to use the mechanics of the APP store to control their platform, and it started at the beginning like the first emails in this production from twenty, ten there. From Phil, Schiller Steve Jobs saying, are we GONNA? Let Amazon Sell Books in the kindle store. Store, it felt like I saw an Amazon ad was hard to watch this hard to watch this ad where a person's reading a book on an iphone in the kindle APP in the pick up an android phone keep reading. He's like literally like it was hard to watch like Schiller's at home like pain what a customer is having an experience that good it really just. Heart and so he's like it was hard to watch. You fours Steve Jobs. They're like we gotta shut it down jobs is the bookstore will be the only bookstore on the APP. Store. That's the way it's going to be everyone's gotta used to it. We know that restricting payments will hurt other things, but that's what we're doing and they started there in two thousand ten and they pulled it out, and then that ladders up into everything that we've seen with, hey, ladders up into the analysis group showing up to. Apple, can pay them to say that there's independent study has revealed. Everybody has a thirty percent cut. It has landed up into Tim Cook, forwarding. He gets a letters from developers that are in this direction. It's like apples breaking my heart and he just like Ford's it. Tim, Cook forwards that email to filter credit eighty, just as thoughts like amazing like they are constantly thinking about the APP store as a mechanism of control for the platform in the leverage and other deals. So the other one was apple is this Amazon one which I have very mixed feelings on saying that this is bad or legal I'm curious for all of your thoughts famously. Did, not have the prime video APP on the Apple TV and all these other places apple, Amazon came to a deal. There's an entire presentation in this production like the slide deck of how the deal is going to work. Apple got to be the preferred seller of its own product. So third parties cancel. Apple. Products, Amazon pages, they got. They have a custom by flow. They've custom product pages, all the stuff in return. Amazon got a lower commission on the APP store and gets to Selatan products which no. No like you can rent a movie from the Amazon APP on the Apple TV, no one else gets to it in one world. This is just pure platform collision, right? Apple cut VIP deal for big companies because it wanted something and you could say this is legal in another world. It's like this is how deals work apple something valuable. Amazon s something valuable and they came to a conclusion wherever made more money and quite frankly the consumer experience platform has got better. How do you read that? Casey? That is good and fair analysis of it. I. Think I did read slightly more scandalous. Tones into it in part because apple would never acknowledge that some developers are more important to it than others even though if you assume that that's true, I think maybe one of the things that's frustrating about it is there is no transparency accountability around which developers get sweetheart deals is that once you hit a certain threshold of revenue will cut your price. Why couldn't they extend that deal to everyone right? Or is it just if we withhold something that seems particularly valuable, we can eventually drag you to the table. Table, which is sort of what seems like happened here. I think in all cases, what I'm always looking for is the accountability, right like and some sense of of equitable treatment of developers and I understand the guys are always going to get the best treatment, but it can that be publicly visible. Can it be acknowledged and there'd be routes for others to achieve that same level of success and treatment, and that I'll just seems missing here. Did you buy Tim Co? He said it twice. It was obviously A. Glimmer, of sympathy for all four CEOS. There is a lot of reporting that they had spent months preparing for this hearing like being grilled there, they'd hire outside law firms. They. Practiced they all clearly had soundbites memorized in none of them. Got To say him because it kept getting interrupted. Tim Cook had this one where he is like if we're the gatekeepers, the gates are open wider than ever. We've gone from five hundred. APPS to one point seven, he said like. A whole speech. and. The thing is there's fierce competition for developers. They don't like our store can do for android the windows. For xbox and PS. Four. Which I was like the idea that adobe is going to be like we don't want to be on the IPAD. Here's PS. Four Photoshop is insanity to me. I'm going to build a spreadsheet. APP. For the five. That's how frustrated with Tim Cook. To that ring. True to you I. Mean, there's no, it does not ring true. There is a, there is a duopoly. In the United States when it comes to smartphones, iphones have majority share in the United States and you can't say, well, you know there's there's a rogue fork of android in Malaysia that you could go develop for if you really wanted to and have that come across as a credible argument to Americans. Right it is. Natural for any monopolist to spend most of its time, arguing that it is much smaller and much less consequential as as you think it is and they're essentially always asking you to ignore what is in front of your face, which is that they are the giant. They are in control. What they say goes, and it doesn't matter which small businesses get hurt along the. The. Way I would point out that the contact and we're gonNA talk about earnings eventually. But the context for that is apple had its biggest third quarter ever this month, their revenues went up eleven percent year over year, they're making obviously making billions of dollars in their services revenue, which is a lot of the narrative around the APP stores increasing that services line. Also went up. I think it was thirteen billion. So you're right. They're very big in their earnings the day after the hearing did nothing. To reduce that impression. I want to switch to Amazon a little bit McKenna. You really focused Amazon was basis first time up there. They came at him a lot about marketplace. How did you think that went I think it went pretty good. I. Think. John Paul specifically was just like killer her questions with breakout star. Yeah. She was just like killer and she's the representative for. SEATTLE. So this is where Amazon is right. So she just like killed it and. And I think there were a couple of instances in the documents and in questioning yesterday that really pulled important things out there was like testimony from one bookseller who was like, yeah. We just can't sell a category of books and we don't know why Amazon doesn't let us do that just like testimony like that or even when it comes to like acquisitions, the ring acquisition especially, I wrote about that today through the documents and how. They said, this is for market position. This is a for technology, your talent or anything. We just bought this and that's something that base said again, yesterday he was just very clear. It's like, yeah, we do buy things market position, which is like so insane just here like the richest person in the world. But like, yeah, we're buying market position. It's just what happens. That's another one I have mixed feelings right, and by the way, people should read McKenna story because those documents have just a very funny breakdown like the pros and cons of buying. Buying ring in many of the cons like what if this turns into nest, which if you're just the verge cast listeners like it's just like the Keyword Bingo, but it's fine to say, we're buying market position like this isn't the best product out there, but it's the category of video. doorbells is not huge, right? So to by the the market leader in video doorbells is maybe the most rational use of the money. What is the problem that you think the committee was trying to show an address sense of we're just going to market position. Pointing out, they can just do whatever they want and how casual it is, and there really isn't. It's really funny to read an email like that, and we could buy it or we could just copy it or are. We could just watch. You know that was one of the emails that base from someone. Those are just three options you know and it's like just pick and choose you know. Pointed out like a lot. Just that email itself really pointed out just how easy it is for them. They used a lot of that time history to talk about copycat behaviors and to talk about just like you know buying up competitors and it just seeing that all in one little e mail having to do with the ring was like really i. think it was really kind of I opening and especially like useful for the committee. So Amazon got hit a lot for the data collection side of it of copying competitors. bezos did not seem to have great answers there. Right. So that's the. The thing they got in trouble with this. There is that Wall Street. Journal article from like April where employees were literally like, yeah. We dip into data and we use that to guide our own private label products and everybody was like Whoa and Amazon basins. Yesterday said, well, we do have a policy that bans that but giant pointed out yesterday. It's like, okay. So what's your enforcement look like you can have the policy, but like if you don't enforce it, then it's like meaningless. And then yesterday I. Think Paul was like, can you give me a yes or no answer? Do you dip into data and he's like I can't I can't give you. Yes or no, and we're just like we're looking into it. The story had anonymous sources. So that isn't very helpful to us. You know what I mean. So that was one of the main things and that Wall Street Journal article and I think it's the same kind of examples in the committee's documents. They point out specific examples like car trunk, organizers of all things. It's like weird little products like Amazon's like this is a little hot. Maybe we should do that. So I, I think. I, think they made a good case yesterday. Yesterday on that. Yeah. I mean bezos brought up that Wall Street Journal, Article himself twice, and he was like, well, your policy against it. But I can't guarantee never happened. Then there is a strange just didn't come across clear I. Think I know what the committee was trying to get at their like US aggregate seller data when there's only three sellers and then only to sellers? Yes, I. Think what they're getting at is when you're down to the aggregate data of two companies, you heard effectively looking at individual data. What is the problem? They're like the I get what you're doing. You're just reducing the denominator to get to one, but like it, why is that particular problem? Right? Well, none of these. Dipping into individual seller data and looking at aggregate data. That's not a legal. There is no law. This is all voluntary of Amazon. So they have a voluntary policy where like we can't do individual seller data, but they say nothing against aggregate and aggregate what you're getting at eight. Here you is. Does the same thing if it's just like some goofy little product they. They bring up pop stock. It's all the time before pop tops in a moment. Right? There's only like one pop. So company like you know pop soggy, it was kind of an innovative product. It's like well, if there's only two of them and use the aggregate data, you you you have everything you need to know you know about that product line looking aggregate. If that's what you decide to qualify as do you as you're looking through the other Amazon documents and other stuff. So anything jump out at you is something the committee was trying to prove or get at. The questioning seemed very focused on. Like are you using the state at a copy products? Are you buying things? You shouldn't buy. There's one question which I did not understand why came up about DMC. Take downs on twitch and Jeff as just had this look of panic in his eyes. He's like I don't know man I bought Wedge because my kids want to. Do something like that was like the side show stuff, but the real focus here, it just seemed like it was definitely in the marketplace, right? Amazon, everyone came at Amazon for the marketplace. That's what everybody knows him as like they have all these little sides. They got rain. They got Alexa Alexa was one thing too. That was kind of interesting. It's like. Are you buying things like ring to put Alexa into and dislike expand your like Titan Ism as like an Internet Internet connected home. Thing and make that more closed off and walled gardening. That was one thing. But no, it was just focusing on how much power they have to kind of change. What happens in the marketplace to kind of decide what companies in what products are able to come up on the first page of results. You know that's also something that they dug into Google and in something that one of those like themes that kind of ties everything together. We should say they all spend a lot of time talking about counterfeit goods, and why is it Amazon removed? Fake stuff from the platform and how much is it profiting off of you know selling pick rolexes? Is it surprising? The whole foods didn't show up at all they're. Like that is a really massive thing. Amazon owns that. Is it moving into a huge new product category? I think whole foods is not an online marketplace, which was the title of the hearing, not that that restricted anybody from doing anything except that, one of the things Amazon says is we have lots of competition from offline marketplaces, right? Brought up kroger a lot I mean, this is the case he's point. They all made. It seem like they were beset at any moment. They could be crushed by the likes of stop and Shop Right? Like I think the point though was really on the. Digital. Experience Consumers have and like I, don't know Ho-. Foods fits. Into that narrative, especially, because it is itself not dominant like they bought it because you needed to grow in their. Good at that at my question for you on the Amazon stuff was when you think about, we talk about two thirty a lot right like you and I in particular spent a lot time to thirty, which regulates with the platform can do with content. There's not really an equivalent of two thirty for goods on store. Right like there's some case is out there saying like you're liable for what what happens on your online store page, but Amazon doesn't have that like second order of like Messi nece around it that twitter and facebook to with two thirty, I. Mean, it gets invoked a lot for marketplace's, but it's way messier. Well, I just wanted to like this question at counterfeits question about ranking the store like they are even more free than any twitter is to to sort tweets algorithm. Algorithm clear to modern like it just their store. Do you think that they're like that Algorithm transparency? Your wire things ranked. Did you catch a sense that that's where the regulation is GonNa go. So much of the conversation around Amazon really felt like it was individuals sellers being wronged for reasons of Amazon being unresponsive or stealing. It's data. So I don't know it didn't. It didn't seem like a really big focus of the hearing, but it is a huge deal. Yeah. The, digital marketplace frame of this, which is where we have talked to. Cellini. That's where he's going right like facebook and Google very digital. They have like they don't do physical goods. Really. Apple is the APP store. It's all digital goods. Amazon is the one where it's. Front to a lot of physical things, and that is the only place where I can see this regulation needing to make some sort of like major meaningful distinction in I. Didn't see it in the hearing, but I was curious of you caught a glimmer of it. I'm not positive that they have to make a huge distinction there like depending on what they come up with because. So much of this is about their companies and whatever product they produced. The issue is more or less whether or not they're being surveilled and unfairly by targeted and crushed by that data surveillance. All right. We have gone for forty minutes. We should take a quick break. I said I wasn't going to go by company and it happens. So we should come back and talk with facebook Ango. We'll be right back. This is advertiser content. When I say utopia what comes to mind. Birds Chirping lush natural beauty dialed up and vibrant technicolor. Is it within reach. Your world world. World. explained. You are an essential part of the perfect social body. Every Body Matt Place. Everybody happy now while the peacock original series, brave new world takes place in a scientific futuristic utopia. A concept is nothing new Sir Thomas more. I introduced the theory five hundred years ago. 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These are really difficult crazy stressful times, and if you're trying to sort of cope, it could be helpful to find something that gets beyond like doom scrolling and like obsessive worried. But digs into what is really going on underneath the surface, and that's what the weeds is all about I. Matthew Yglesias. Weeds podcast here on the box meeting podcast network. This is podcast for people who really want to understand the policy debates and policy issues that shaping our world. We've seen now more than ever like how relevant policy is to our actual lives, but so much in the news isn't focused on really understanding and explaining detail way if that sounds good to you, join us for the weeds, every Tuesday and Friday to find out what's going on why matters and what we can do about it. You could download the weeds on apple spotify or wherever else you get your podcasts. Tracy. When it comes to facebook I turn to you. FACEBOOK is patience consumer of startups as what we've learned. Yeah. But you said something to me yesterday was interesting, which is everyone else's problems are forward looking and it feels like facebook's problems are actually in the past break for people explain what you mean. Yeah. So when Congress is looking at any trust with respect to these four companies for three of them, it's It's sort of about the marketplaces that their operating right now with facebook, the question is much more about should we have allowed it to buy serum? Should we have allowed it to buy WHATSAPP and most of the antitrust conversation that was around facebook yesterday was all about that. What did Mark Zuckerberg know about Instagram, and when did he know it? We wrote a story based on some documents that the house released yesterday. In which facebook has clearly identified instagram as a competitor. In at least some ways and wants to go after it and knock it off the table, and so that's kind of where the focuses their facebook and Burke did get a lot of other questions yesterday, but it tended to be much more about content moderation and things that don't have a lot to do with antitrust. So there was weird section where they asked the face. Face Research APP in the novel, Vpn? Any kind of got lost well, explain what happened and I'm curious reactions. Yeah. So facebook has a bunch of nifty tech tools to figure out what's trending which APPs or the kids using, and so that can essentially have an early warning system if it needs to consider acquiring something or more likely in these days, go out clone it. and. So Zuckerberg was asked about the way that the company uses these systems and if they are anti competitive I, think you know traditional antitrust law probably would not say copying an APP feature is anti competitive, but could lobby written in the future about it shirt I. Think the one that caught me was I mean, this is what I'm. McKenna's points from earlier is like one of the themes here is, are you so dominant that you can collect data that's unfair and then use that to crush or killer competitors, and definitely bought the Inaba VPN to do it. That's true. Now, when I've asked executives at facebook about this, what they'll say is they don't get surprised anymore. When you have three point, one billion people using your apps around the world. You know what links they're sharing, you know what they're talking about. And so you're not going to need some kind of specialized tool to know that WHATSAPP is really taking off. Right. So they would argue that, yes, these tools were useful to them, but you know at their scale, they know what's popular now, which doesn't really seem like addresses, the problem is reached. The fact that we're so big that we're all knowing is maybe not the defense that they sometimes presented as so here's what I didn't get. I thought, Zuckerberg I want to the instagram. What's about who's issues, but on the facebook research front, the data front, they him about this APP facebook research, which you were giving to teens. They were deploying with an enterprise certificate that story broke apple revoke the certificate, and all of facebook's internal APPs went dark, and this is a scandal story after story about it, they went on for two days. So I can I, don't recall that APP? Just how he you know, he remembers the day that all facebook's internal APPS went down and people couldn't go to the cafeteria. I would agree I found that answer. Extremely, ed? Persuasive. that. Do you think that was like actually strategic for him to be like, I, don't know and then come back later and correct the record I do remember when that happened I. Mean. I really don't know I mean also you know during a six hour hearing, it's also possible that you just you get flustered or you miss here something or or something because. Yeah. As as you say, I'm sure he remembers the day that apple turned off their internal APPS I mean. Honestly. Seems like an opportunity to talk about apple's market power, and the fact that you know a day of work canceled at facebook because apple got mad. But I think most of the CEO's didn't go into yesterday a wanted to pick fights with each other. It was kind of sad that they didn't. I was Kinda hoping that Tim Cook take a shot at soccer burger. Point that the other two APP platforms I was expecting it. It was there. It was. There was all there. So cellini ended and he ended the whole meeting with closing statement. He said, some of these companies didn't get broken out. They all need to get regulated in the off too much power that some of them I. don't these breaking up apple. What sort of break. Right like. The division get sent into the corner thing about what it's done. Right. Does should spin out the finder team I've always wanted to. A clean is always that they want to. They want the APP store to be separate from the IPHONE. Basically, that's the thing I always hear. Can't break I. Think you can write some strong regulations but not playing you're on store, right. But like Elizabeth Warren's point was it's cleaner if it's two companies, but it's still a gigantic remedy that I don't think there's a lot of like like consumer or public opinion is going to walk into an Apple Cup I think you'll radio at marketplace. It seems very clear that we says some of them she broken up he is talking about facebook. I have a twenty percent conference level. He might be talking with Google and Youtube as well. But if he's going to say some of the need to get broken up like it's facebook, did you hear anything yesterday that supported that conclusion or Saudi stocks I? MEAN HE I don't remember which Republican it was, but he was like the Obama FTC looked at this and they said it was minding love. Obama. Right. Like. Why would we go back in time to relook at I? Mean, there is a belief and I mean. Somebody who thinks there could be a lot of benefit in instagram and WHATSAPP being different companies from facebook. And the reason you ask. So many questions about that acquisition as you're making the case that it never should have been approved in the first place, and so now you need to remedy it. So that was actually like the entire thrust of the argument against facebook yesterday. I think, you could probably make just as good a case that Amazon after spin out aws, but lawmakers chose not to make that case. Yeah. I think that also gets into. Politics of the acquisition of the time. To his credit is like nobody knew instagram would actually be a success like we made it a success. It didn't happen by itself. I, don't know if the lawmakers. By award, these guys said, but I don't know that he actually made that case very persuasively. and. Who knows I mean? That's like anything could have happened. Right? Cram could've stayed independent and rapidly grown and overtaken facebook like that's something that could have happened. It could have kind settled into a middle zone like snapchat or twitter seems more likely to me although I think probably would have been bigger than those two but. You're never going to know I mean it is true that facebook gave Mike and Kevin it instagram enormous resources. A lot of the reasons why Mike and Kevin sold was because running tiny startup that's blowing up is absolutely exhausting Mike. Krieger. was dragging his laptop all around San. Francisco. Because the servers were melting at all times of the day whenever Justin Bieber. Posted like the site stopped working and they really we need help. Finding a person who can quickly fix this? So we don't have to like that is the reason that they were entertaining these offers and wanted to sell it. So that is also thing that happened. Do you think that that same kind of argument or approach can apply to what's up? What's up basically did not come up yesterday and all the focus on Instagram, but that's the other one, right? Yeah, and we know weirdly a lot less about that acquisition I. Think it's because people in America just have so much less love for what's APP generally. That, it's never seemed as important. What happened to WHATSAPP as what happens to instagram even though WHATSAPP, is used, you know way more, it probably has way more engagement even than instagram does so I don't know why that didn't come up as often. We know there was a competitive bidding war for that as well. Goule. Wanted it as well. You know Mark Zuckerberg made them an offer, they can't refuse. Do you think everyday Google's we should've spent more money on what's whatsapp like this could have been solved. Should have, but Google has been placed under an ancient curse that prevents them from ever making the right decision about any social product. So it was doomed never to happen. It's fun looking through the documents and watching them casually say they should buy facebook dot com. Yeah, that. Point. That is how they talk like the window into these executives just casually being like we should just this thing or maybe not, or we should just copied ourselves and kill it before it gets any traction like it's repeated over and over again last facebook question. This one is like harder to parse because I. There's a chance, it's October is just joking around but. But. He's in many of these emails. He's like the thing about startups, as you can always buy them, which I think the committee thinks is a smoking gun, right? Like facebook's entire plan is to buy the competition to get the data from wherever they get it to say, oh, man, this apps popping, we just buy it and kill it before it competes with us. I. Think he actually said at one point. That's a joke. Yes, he did and I believe that you know it was two thousand, twelve, right? He was probably still in his mid twenties. At that point, the company was a lot smaller like people were joking around like there's more loose talk when companies are younger and I do think. It was it was part of that. I think the more interesting question becomes. Let's say facebook is telling the truth about everything. Let's say they thought it was going to be a successful acquisition, but they never knew it was gonna big as it became today and they invested in it and it got super big. Okay. Well, now, it's as big as it is. Should they be allowed to keep? Keep it or should they be forced to spend it out and if you're GONNA force them to spin it out. What's the argument that you'RE GONNA. Make about why one question that I have a lot is clearly the referral they're gonNa make, and it seems like if you don't have some other reason, we've heard hints that there's some other reason, the FTC scrutinize this that will eventually be revealed. But what you're saying is the antitrust standard at the time, the Consumer Hartman stand, which is still our standard. Says, you have to prove prices will go up both products for free. You're screwed. Right? There's nothing to review because you're not gonNA prove prove that free products are gonNA get more expensive. I think it's pretty unfair if you change the standard and you go back in time and say you missed that standard. So I think there has to be something else there. Well, what was the standard by which at and T. was broken up? Right? Like presumably at and T. didn't used to be that big, and then it just got really big and then they broke it up at least. That's the thumbnail understanding I have of that break-up. Well, yeah. But then reformed itself. Right. But because of lax antitrust regulation, right? Like it wasn't a naturally occurring phenomenon that all those APPS got back to the other or was that just sort of like inattention to capitalism It's like in the seventies and eighties. This is Tim moves book the cursive bigness in the seventies and eighties Robert Bork I can't talk about Robert on this podcast. Are we doing this right now. Robert was very influential judge Appellate Judge Federal Appellate? Judge. And basically moved the antitrust law to the consumer harm standard as part of a movement called and economics. A whole thing Robert. Bork. Mostly famous because he was not appointed. He was nominated Supreme Court by Reagan but they leaked video tape rental history, and then he didn't get nominated and that is where the expression getting bork's comes from. This is all true Netflix's still has to abide by videotape data privacy act is a whole. This is all true when facebook and Netflix had some partners, Nansen? Partnership. To. Automatically share your net flicks, watch history to facebook. They're like pending the change of this law which we are working on Robert Bork. He haunts us all. I'm sorry, I can't believe this much. Yeah I. think that's just like the law changed in the in the seventies and eighties, the standard change. The conversation right now is a very much about changing it back months and months ago, pre pandemic, we had an economist from I. Think it was Nyu Thomas Philippon came on the show, and he was like look you have this natural ab test going on in the world where the European Union when it formed was like, how do we get an economy like America's? So, we'll just take their competition policies pretty good, and at the same time we changed consumer harm standard. So everything you're seeing the EU is basically our old competition antitrust standard in. You can see how active they are in everything. Here's a new consumer welfare standard. Whether you believe, this is actually a functional Ab test given. The state of both governments is up for debate, but that was his point I thought. It was spare can say.
Twitter is working on a new subscription platform, hints job listing
"Twitter reported strong user growth in the second quarter, but it's revenue fell nearly twenty percent. The company has been navigating Iraqi advertising climate in the pandemic as well as dealing with the fallout from its recent security breach. The company didn't provide any guidance for future quarter citing market uncertainty, but we did get some insight about one rumor. That's been floating around CEO Jack Dorsey finally confirmed that twitter is experimenting with a subscription service. Here's our reporter. Sara Niemann twitter has put out a job ad that mentioned a subscription service and that they're looking for someone to help work on. On that that was a few weeks ago, and there was one other job at posting. Even before that this is the first time the company appears to publicly acknowledged that it listed in earnings, call that is of interest to investors, because as a potential opportunity to generate revenue in revenue has been difficult area for the company which relies heavily on advertising so. The platform could potentially complement what it's doing now and other areas to generate more revenue internal profit.
FBI Investigates Twitter Cyberattack
"FBI is investigating yesterday's widespread twitter attack that we told you about this morning. Hackers took over an array of high profile accounts and posted messages telling users that if they sent bitcoin to a crypto currency account double, that amount would be sent back to them joining me to discuss. Is Wsj heard on the street columnist Dan Gallagher? Dan I. We've seen security breaches on twitter before. Why was Wednesday's attack different while I think it's because you'll pass. Breaches tended to either be very focused on like when Jack Dorsey. His account got hacked last year and somebody sent these awful racist tweets. And that was that was bad, but that was kind of a singular incident. This one was bad because it took so many high profile names. You Know Barack Obama Bill Gates He Wan Mosque Joe Biden and sent. This clearly kind of prank ish, amateurish attempt to score some money, but apparently worked. As we saw the account that was attached to Biden's tweet. For instance seem to have gotten more than one hundred thousand dollars worth of Bitcoin so. Some people somewhere saw these things and decided. Hey, I'm going to do. What other damage may have been done besides the spreading of these fraudulent messages? That's a good question. Hint that there might have been other damaged on that. We don't see publicly. That too is scary, but I think what made this attack. Kind of a big deal was was more about the how it raised all these. What s you know? What if the hackers took these big named accounts and actually did something more malicious than some scheme to get some money you can imagine there's high profile. Political leaders who use twitter business leaders use twitter, and not everybody who uses twitter uses it in a responsible way, so you have the possibility that somebody could tweet something that would be honestly destabilizing globally is actually a real. A feasible concept, and that's what's scary. In your column, you write that Twitter's biggest strength is also its biggest weakness. What do you mean by that? Well I think what this showed. Is that you know it's? It's one thing to have this phone or ability. They've discovered and they'll. They'll certainly were to try to. figure out what went wrong and prevent it from happening in the future. Because a lot rides on that for them, but the problem again is this shows how quickly you know. Bad and misleading militia information can spread in an instant, and that's not really a bug in the twitter program. That's actually twitter's designed to the seminary information quickly broadly, and almost without regard to the information is is good or not. You know, and it has good intentions behind it so. I think that's where you know. Obviously twitter appeals to its users, because of the way can spread information you know, but again that very feet that very design makes it possible for things like this to happen and be potentially very damaging. What impact could this have on twitter's business and twitter's stock price? What tends to happen in these things I think investors look at something like this. You know it gives them some worry because advertisers see this kind of thing and say maybe I'm not going to use twitter as much that could be. That could have business consequence for the company, but both twitter and And facebook already kind of dealing with that consequence right now. The stocks have really underperformed this year because we're seeing a growing number of advertisers, deciding to express concern about you know how these platforms are used for misinformation in harmful information, and so I think that concerns kind of baked into the stock price and I think that's probably why he didn't see a big reaction this morning, because it's their bit, and then beyond that it's kind of hard for investors to evaluate you know. Does twitter ultimately going to do what how would that possibly impact its appeal to advertisers? Those are those are still unknowns. All right, Dan. Thank you so much for joining us.
IRS Announces Taxpayers Can Make Checks Directly Payable To Any Corporation Or Billionaire They Want This Year
"The onion and onion public radio. This is the topical I'm Leslie Price. Mother fucker and we'll be right back. Hey, does anyone know who I talk to about getting my w two? If there's one thing everyone hates. It's doing taxes. However, the Internal Revenue Service recently announced a major change that they're hoping will make it easier this year for taxpayers to file OPR's financial correspondent Marcy Hammond joins me now with more on this marcy. What can you tell us well as lead the? IRS is rolling out a new system that will cut out the middleman so to speak starting this year. Year tax payers are instructed to just make their checks payable to any billionaire they want. It certainly does get rid of a step or two, but what led to the IRS making this change well irs funding has been cut by twenty five percent in the last ten years leaving the agency understaffed and under resourced. It takes a large workforce to get all that money into the pockets of the. The wealthy so from the tax agencies point of view. This change kills two birds with one stone. I spoke with Iras agent Marcia Krieg. Who explained how it works? Sending money to us have become irrelevant wasteful step. The IRS would cash taxpayers checks only for the funds to then be transferred to billionaires in the form of corporate subsidies, tax breaks and money grants for the corporations, but having tax payers. Payers right there. Check directly to Mike Bloomberg. Bill Gates or anyone in the coke family really streamlines that process so tax payers choose which of the nation's richest CEO's. They send their money to to be honest. It doesn't matter any of the five hundred and forty billionaires in the United States will do because your cash is eventually going to end up going to them anyway. However Payments Jeff Bezos. The fastest interesting, and how has it been working out for those who have already filed their taxes this year? Well I spoke to a few taxpayers, and so far they seem to think this new rule just makes sense. It was really easy. I paid my billionaire online turbo tax offered me some suggestions to choose from Howard Schultz Jack. Dorsey I chose the Elon Musk option and with just a click I deposited the money right into one of his. His offshore accounts I went down to H. and R. Block and ended up owing two hundred dollars to mark. Zuckerberg. I thought about fudging the numbers a bit, but facebook probably House on my financial that already in I. Don't WanNa on it. That brings up an interesting point. What if you owe a lot of money and taxes and the time to pay off or to get an extension? Well Billionaires Larry. Page Jamie, Dimon and the Walton family of. Of already set up their own tax, departments offer payment plans to tax payers, but just a warning. The interest rates are very high. It might be your only choice if you can't afford to pay. Just don't try to duck out on paying unlike the IRS, these tycoons wield a lot of power, and they will ruin you. Good advice but marcy I have to ask. This information has been out for a while now and today is tax day it. It seems like all. This information would have been more helpful to our listeners a few weeks even months
Universal basic income cause gets $3 million boost from Jack Dorsey
"Made a donation of some $3 million to a coalition of 15 mayors across the country this to create pilot programs for a universal basic income. Post on his own Twitter account Thursday, Dorsey said the donation is intended to be a tool to help close the wealth and income gap level systemic race and gender inequalities and create economic security for families to coma. Mayor Victoria Woodard's is part of that coalition. That's good news. Frank Lindsay
Universal basic income cause gets $3 million boost from Jack Dorsey
"COMA News, The effort to create a universal basic income is getting a $3 million boost. Billionaire Twitter CEO Ah Jack Dorsey is donating that amount to a coalition of 15 mayors across the country Working to create pilot programs to come. A mayor Victoria warded is among them. Dorsey tweeted. The donation is meant to help close the wealth and income gap in this country and also level systemic race and gender
Rihanna and Twitter CEO Jack Dorsey donate $15m toward mental health services via her nonprofit
"Riana is continuing to reach out to those in need through her foundation the Clara Lionel foundation announced a fifteen million dollar donation in collaboration with Twitter CEO Jack Dorsey to several organizations dedicated to mental health services food security and income loss to people in Newark and Chicago the donation is part of Dorsey's hash tag start small initiative
Twitter and Square Make Juneteenth a Company Holiday
"Companies now marking an end of slavery in America as a holiday for their employees Eugene is considered independence day for African Americans it's celebrated on June nineteenth marking the day in eighteen sixty five that union soldiers landed in Galveston told slaves the civil war was over and that they were free now Juneteenth is a company holiday for Twitter and square the company CEO and founder Jack Dorsey says for quote celebration education and connection Juneteenth is a holiday in forty seven states but not a national one
Companies Find New Perks for the Remote Worker
"You know at some point. Most likely there will be a vaccine against covid. Nineteen and people could conceivably go back into the office because we would need to socially distance so kind of big picture bobby, what what are you going to be watching for lockdowns? Lift and companies continue with these work from home. W. F. H. as are known policy. Yeah, I mean the one big thing I'm going to be looking for is how much work from home to is just going to become part of a weekly or monthly schedule as an employee. Even if you don't want to say what Jack Dorsey at twitter, said, which is, we are going to allow our employees to work indefinitely from. From home. If you want to Dorsey telling his employees, they can work remotely forever from anywhere. Tells USA Today that the past few months have shown them. That business can function normally with more remote workers you know. Maybe companies are going to say. We figured out during this pandemic, especially among knowledge workers. You know the white collar class who do mostly computer work. They can do a lot of that stuff from home. They don't have to come into an office, so maybe part of their package to new hires is here's your salary? Your benefits and you have X. number of work from home weeks. I'm talking to Labor experts here. It really seems like. This has been a test. Of, how well work from home will work for companies and companies, where for so long reluctant to give workers this flexibility, but now I really do think it's going to become something that is going to be built into every job I'll be I'll be looking out in tech and beyond to see. Just. How much of a norm this does become and what kind of new issues besides surveillance issue? Crop or crop up I. Mean You know? Maybe this is the way of the future and it's going to be you know a boon to both workers and employers don't know yet.
Trump signs executive order targeting Twitter after fact-checking row
"To stop president trump is signed an executive order aimed at social media companies there's no precedent in American history for so small a number of corporations to control so large a sphere of human interaction days after Twitter flag two of his tweets for fact checks trump analyses challenging liability protections for Twitter and other online forums they have a shield they can do what they want they have a shield that I could have that shield the president is one of the heaviest users off to winter they we've had unchecked power to censor or restrict edit shape hide Walter virtually any form of communication between private citizens are large public audiences Twitter CEO Jack Dorsey tweeted that he will continue to point out incorrect or disputed information about elections globally the president wants federal regulators to come up with new guidelines on liability something that's not likely since any changes would have to be approved by
Should social media outlaw falsehoods?
"NERDS. At nerdwallet DOT com. I have two thoughts on Social Media. Today one is about misinformation. The other is the subject. We've talked a lot about here. Be careful with what you post because it can ruin your life. I'm Jefferson Graham. Yelena talking tech and we'll begin with the president. I really don't like to delve into politics here because the minute I open my mouth while I daily half the audience but here we go. Donald trump likes to mouth off on twitter. I think that's fair. Fair statement and he likes to say whatever crosses his mind without an editor to Raynham in sometimes. Those statements are flat out wrong but they stay up there as part of the public record lately he's been attacking. Msnbc host Joe Scarborough in claiming that he was to blame for our former staffer of his. Who DIED? The staffers family wrote an open letter to twitter. Ceo Jack Dorsey demanding that the tweet be taken down because it was untrue but as often the case with social media the platform refused. I believe because they don't want to get into a high profile battle with the White House. What a newsmaker a public figure can say but for the first time twitter did say that he would label. Trump's tweets alleging mail in ballots as fraudulent and direct users to get the facts through legit new stories a twitter spokesperson said the tweets contained quote potentially misleading information unquote and have been labelled as such as the Washington Post. Put it for. It's fourteen year existence. Twitter has allowed misinformation by world leaders in everyday citizens to spread virtually unchecked. It's leaders have long. Said that users would engage in debate on the platform and correct false information on their own. That didn't exactly work out because the false information just stays up there and many people take it as fat. What's your position folks? Should people be allowed to use facebook twitter and Youtube as places to say anything they feel like or should there be community standards? That are adhere to personally. I don't think social media should be the Cesspool I think editors are good thing I think if you're using social media to blow off steam you should have a draft to your post. Let it sit for a day and see how it reads the next day before going public because a post can ruin your life. Just ask Amy Cooper. She's the woman who declined to have her dog on a leash in central park and when asked to do so by a black band she declined as the conversation. Got More heated. She said that she was being threatened. And she would call the police and say that she was being threatened. By an African American he recorded the whole encounter and posted the video on facebook and twitter.
How Automation will look like in our Post-Virus Future
"So it has been a few weeks since the last episode. I actually had to move once. The lockdown conditions loosened a bit here in Barcelona and really the amount of paperwork and organization that was required to move during this special period was a much more time consuming than I originally expected. I was unfortunately not able to focus on any new podcast episodes but the podcast will definitely continue. Now as I finally settled into my new apartment so in an earlier episode I discussed some of the initial trends and technologies that were relevant to the themes of the podcast that were being impacted by the covid phenomenon. Right before the lockdown here in Barcelona and much of the West started so this focused on robots drones etc being used to actually fight the virus in hospitals or for tracking certain cases. So a number of my guests have also spoken to how the crisis will impact the specific areas they presented and I think now as we are seeing the world start to move out of this lockdown period. I thought it was really timely to revisit this theme as we can perhaps start to see long-term signs of our post virus future already today. So whether we see a resurgence in a second or third wave of this virus. I think that the trends are really well established now to identify more solid future scenarios which we can talk about in the podcast today so the first and I think the most obvious change deals with the remote aspect of work so clearly the stay at home orders across the world have forced many organizations to adopt these new remote working practices and also adjust. How work is done to stay productive. So zoom was actually one of the popular choices. And I'm sure as many of you know they went from ten million to three hundred million users in just a few months and similar increases in tools like slack or Microsoft teams. Were also seen so. I think it is also interesting to note that when certain. Ict tools were built in the Internet's early days. This kind of remote working reality wasn't fact a vision for many of the early adopters but it has really taken a global crisis to enforce a reality that has actually been possible for several years already so now of course all work won't automatically see a full shift to being remote long-term but as the possibility is now more known it can become a more probable course of action for many businesses and individuals so for example twitter CEO. Jack Dorsey has come out recently. Saying that some twitter and square employees can actually work remotely permanently and though other high tech. Silicon Valley firms have said similar things. Their policies are less open. But I think that can be expected that this trend will continue for organizations across the world as we have gotten used to doing so and of course the infrastructure is now they're to enable the significant proportions of the population to actually undertake this remote work so an interesting fact here is that the server market actually grew thirty percent in the first quarter of twenty twenty compared to the two thousand eighteen growth. So I think that the infrastructure really is there and of course we'll continue to be laid out for a larger and larger proportions of our populations to continually work remotely for the long term. I think it's also understandable that without a vaccine many countries may experience a second and even third wave potentially reinforcing the state home orders which would further solidify a remote working lifestyle so really linked to remote work. We have seen an explosion of virtual reality usage so personally. I've used a lot of your during this two month. Quarantine to go to conferences events and even visit in air quotes netter environments which has always been a big part of my life Before the quarantine of course so with the increase in remote work the level of immersion and interaction with colleagues and friends definitely decreases so v are really enables and increase sense of presence which promotes the effective exchange of ideas and knowledge which is really essential to the twenty th century type of work that many of us are doing so. I've read many examples of product designers specifically using VR to assemble their teams to work together through the entire process of generating on new design even full scale vehicle designs. So I think with our Continuing Remote Work Paradigm as VR. Technology improves becomes more affordable and of course widespread is really possible that a substantial proportion of the future of work takes place in a virtual rolled so apart from the impact on jobs. I think it will be quite interesting to note the influence on other obvious candidates such as transportation real estate and events as many large and small business events have shifted from The physical to a full virtual experience with varying but often high degrees of success so moving onto more automation focused trends. So I think that. With social distancing in place and the need to restructure workplaces of course minimize human contact. We've seen several examples of automation being accelerated across various sectors especially in the Essential services domains so in the previous corona virus episode. I talked about numerous examples of robots being used in hospitals to either deliver supplies. Or even disinfect. Parts of the hospital to reduce the strain on the healthcare workers so an example within the waste industry however is P. Robotics which actually offers a empowered robots to sift through recycled material to identify and weed out different sorts of trash
Twitter says its employees can work from home forever
"People are already tweeting from home so the company is now telling its employees they can also work from home even once a corona virus crisis is over CBS news correspondent Matt Piper Twitter's become the first major tech company to tell its employees that they can continue to work from home essentially forever CEO Jack Dorsey emailing employees that even when the coronavirus lockdown ends they won't have to come into the office ever again although there are some jobs within the social media giant that will still require employees to come in Dorsey also says offices won't open before September and there will be no in person company events for the rest of twenty
Los Angeles Becomes The First Major City In The US To Offer Free Testing To Every Resident, Even Those With No Symptoms
"Seven and a half weeks after president trump said anyone who wanted a corona virus test could get one that's finally true in Los Angeles anyway mayor Eric Garcetti census will become the first major city in America to offer while white skill testing to all of its residents with or without symptoms those with symptoms will of course have the first priority but we have the capacity we believe to move forward with that starting tonight so if you think you might have covered nineteen want the reassurance that you don't we've been around people that you have seen with symptoms get a test we can do it the mayor also announced a new program to provide shelter for hundreds of domestic violence victims during the pandemic it's being funded with contributions by Twitter CEO Jack Dorsey and singer Rihanna confirm covert nineteen cases in LA county jump past the twenty two thousand five hundred mark as a backlog of results comes in and testing ramps up in nursing homes and other institutional settings close to five thousand new deaths have been reported pushing the total to about one thousand sixty nearly all of those people had underlying health conditions close to half of them lived in institutional settings the vast majority of them in a skilled nursing facility we would like to in the next few weeks be able to conduct our testing for all residents and employees at skilled nursing facilities where they have one or more positive cases to in fact determine whether or not we have a lot of a symptomatic people who are also positive Barbara Ferrer is the county's public health director that would allow us to move more aggressively on isolating of people who are positive even if they have no symptoms and that's one strategy obviously for slowing the spread cutting capacity continues to increase and L. a county and restrictions are being east Dr Christina galley the county's health services director says the general goal is to ramp up to fifteen thousand to twenty thousand people tested today for now they're prioritizing people with symptoms those living in long term care and other institutional facilities and homeless people we need to first make sure that we are doing a comprehensive job testing all of those individuals with appropriate strategies for surveillance whether it's through sampling or otherwise it is symptomatic populations within those locations she says the next priority is to get health care workers and first responders without symptoms
Feds should call Big Tech to fight COVID-19, says Silicon Valley lawmaker Ro Khanna
"Microsoft has created a chat. Bot THAT CAN HELP. Us S Kobe. Nineteen symptoms the. Cdc is using that apple has designed and is shipping a new type of face shield for healthcare workers. Ibm is loaning supercomputing power scientists and universities trying to understand the spread of the corona virus and tech billionaires ranging from Bill Gates. Jeff bezos. Most recently Jack Dorsey have pledged donations to food banks and other resources supporting people through the pandemic but should companies be taking on roles that governments could be playing and more importantly is our government prepared to actually use the tech industry effectively to combat. This crisis congressman Ro Khanna Represent Silicon Valley in the House of Representatives. He says there is still a lot of untapped. Potential apple just has helped with procuring. Twenty million masks and face shields. Tesla's of course producing ventilators. Google is trying to get information out but there are a few other things that we could be doing if we listen to them. I we could be Enlisting some of these tech companies to get the money out faster. I mean Paul Krugman at a great column about how the money is getting to the people who need it. Let's having national database. That's crowd source of for the covert crisis where we can use a I to draw conclusions. We don't have something like that. People in the valley could do that. Let's get a platform that can help for Telehealth Again that's something that Silicon Valley could contribute to and then we need for more funding if there's one thing. This crisis has told us far more funding for basic science research on vaccines and developments in antivirals and a lot of people in University of California San Francisco and other places of the valley could assist with that. So what does it take for that to happen? Are you saying that those companies should step up? Offer that or that. They should be asked to do that or both. That they are offering it so cases it requires a coordinated response. I mean part of me wishes that just for this period Bill Gates were president. I mean it Bill Gates were president basically warned about all of this in two thousand fifteen and he would. He would convene all the people in a room and say. Here's what I need you to do. And he understands science and technology. But if you don't have a understanding and appreciation for science and technology you're not harnessing all of the tools that actually are accessible to do you have a sense from talking to these companies. And all that. They're just like itching to get in here and there not being called there. It's worse than that offering. Things aren't being taken up a for their offers. One of the entrepreneurs designed an ingenious platform to allow hospitals to signal whether they need medical equipment and allow people to supply them in. They haven't been able to get this implemented You've had people saying. Let us help with creating a national database. Or let's help telehealth and I applaud them for that but what we need is a far more technologically sophisticated response and the irony is. We've seen that response in places like South Korea and China. Now they've had problems there. They became almost surveillance states. And I'm not recommending that we adopt sort of surveillance technology but we should know what technology can do and then harness that a while recognizing in respecting people's privacy. Right the same concerns over. Privacy have always been there and in some cases you know. Surveillance and data collection may be expanded by. What feels like necessity. Do you think some of those concerns. Go by the wayside now. No I think those concerns are there. I mean I would not want us to have a situation like South Korea China where you have cameras in a smartphones monitoring My movement so when I go out the government knowing whether I'm violating social distancing rules. I think that's way too intrusive and I certainly wouldn't want my health records going to the government or other entities but do I have a problem with a data going and being anonymous and then having a sense of whether Washington DC has an aggregate is sheltering in place correctly or not and where we need may need greater policies. No I think that's a useful so what I would say is. Let's use data in a constructive way. Let's have the guardrails for privacy But right now. I think you have to extremes. You have some countries using it as a surveillance state and then unfortunately in our country. We're not using it. Well enough
In a world of remote work, virtual reality is still pretty much MIA
"As more people are working from home to help. Contain the spread of the new corona virus. We're starting to face the limits of remote work technology on the one hand we've got zoom and Microsoft teams and Google hangouts but some workers need more than conference calls or even shared documents to get work done a few years ago. The idea of virtual reality for the office was all the rage and today. We're wondering what was the promise. Vr for work. And why so far? Has It utterly failed to materialize addy? Robertson is a senior reporter with the verge who follows virtual reality. I asked her why. Vr for the office hasn't taken off the hardware still has high enough costs a lot of different ways. That it's not really worth the tradeoffs from the things that we already have You get this sense of spatial presence with other workers and if you have hand controls you can interact with people in ways that feel more natural. The problem is that VR headsets. Still just have a lot of downsides for one thing you have to get one for every worker. The headsets are pretty heavy. You don't usually want to wear them for more than maybe an hour and if you're trying to do work on them also like what. Do you do. Do you type on your keyboard that you can't see. Do think that all of that promise back then you know that it would just be the future of collaboration and it made so much sense in. You'd have avatars and the sense of presence would mean. You really didn't even need to go to a meeting. Do think that some of it was just over hyped or did the technology not progress and get cheap fast enough kind of both that. The technology didn't get I think lighter and cheaper as fast as people expected and also the are turned out to be good for some very specialized things that often. It was already being used for. Like if you want to do really serious design work and you want to pull a bunch of people in to look at a car model or something then actually the are makes a lot of sense there but just as a general purpose office thing. Y- think there were a lot of people who are always skeptical for very good reasons. Where at this moment now where? We're kind of talking about the tech tools that people might need to us from to work from home and that's sort of what prompted this conversation that there was this idea that virtual reality could give us better virtual office spaces. Do you think that was just a bad idea or that? It might ever happen. I don't think it's a bad idea. And augmented reality makes more sense and a lot of ways if you imagine the kind of idealized version of smart glasses where you can see something projected on a table and you can have a colleague. Sit in a chair across from you. But they're actually somewhere else and being projected that gets around a lot of the problems you're still in your normal environment but you can also get the collaborative aspect of being able to say gather around a whiteboard on sense of physicality that you don't get if you're just seeing somebody video feed right well in that you said is still in development. Like how close are we to that? Do you think to something that actually is the thing. People want to just wear around the office. I think's still several years away. Their systems like Microsoft. Holo Lens that again are very good for simulation and training but they're still pretty inconvenient to just wear around the office and you wouldn't WanNa just hang out with them on. I think we're also I'm I'm we're kind of talking around the goofiness factor of how silly a lot of people feel wearing these like I don't because I cover VR. And I've done a lot of this but I am fully aware that a lot of people think this just looks completely ridiculous and they would feel so silly wearing it addie. Robertson is a senior reporter with the verge who covers virtual reality most big the are makers. Htc facebook owned oculus Microsoft. Google have all announced to be our or a our headsets for the enterprise. Hdc's enterprise will be available later this year and now for some related links. I also wrote about this topic for wired that column published today because in some ways the failure of VR Ar to materialize. It's kind of a metaphor for all the ways in which we are not ready to transition our workplaces or our lives to telecommuting even self isolation which is kind of weird because these technologies have long promised to decentralize us to increase our ability to take our jobs anywhere maybe reduced the burden on a few expensive coastal cities and even fundamentally changed the way we think about how and where we work. Inertia is a powerful thing and we haven't had to make fifteen to so far but that's not to say we won't. You can find a link to that column or the whole thing at marketplace Tech Dot Org and the Los Angeles Times and I were on a wavelength. That paper also has a piece about the many ways we are not ready for mass telecommuting and notes that the closest we've come in recent history was second life and here's what else we're watching in tech. The trading apple robinhood went down again Monday in the midst of yet. Another huge sell off. I feel like it's gotta be hard to blame a huge amount of usage for this crash though because who in their right mind is still using Robin Hood. Pouch The Wall Street Journal reports that some of the big GIG worker companies lift Uber Post meets door dash and others are teaming up on talks to figure out how to pay their workers if they're quarantined or affected by corona virus. Thousands of people do work for these companies but are technically employees now. The companies are discussing creating shared fund to pay people for sick time or missed work. Sort of like they might get if they were employees. Misinformation AND SKETCHY SNAKE. Oil promises continue to spread all over facebook twitter and Google related to corona virus. We'll have a story tomorrow on how platforms like Amazon and Ebay are trying to fight fake an overpriced goods but in other tales of misinformation twitter and facebook have responded to a doctor video that the White House shared that was edited to make it look like former vice president Joe Biden accidentally endorsed President trump twitter labeled it quote manipulated content a label that users should see when they see the tweet. It's actually the first time. Twitter has applied that label and then on Monday. Facebook tagged at the same video as quote partly false speaking of twitter. Ceo Jack Dorsey may have avoided the boot. The company on Monday reached a deal with two investment firms including one. That was trying to oust him. There will be some changes and a big stock buyback. Otherwise apparently no changes at the top. Welcome back Jack. I'm Ali would and that's marketplace tech.
SXSW Will Go On Despite Coronavirus Concerns
"Welcome to the frame. I'm John Horn every year. A few hundred thousand people gathered in Austin Texas for south by southwest. It's an international festival of music film and Technology but with the threat of the corona virus at hand. Some people are saying that bringing massive crowds into one place could be a very bad idea. Facebook twitter Amazon and a few other tech and media companies. Already have dropped out of the festival which starts on March thirteenth. South by southwest organizers. Say they're nevertheless moving ahead. Dan Sullivan is a writer for Texas monthly and he joins us from Austin Dan. Welcome to the show for having me so before we get into the impact of the corona virus. Let's talk a little bit about just. How big south by South West is in terms of its physical presence in Austin? How much are people's lives affected when the festival comes to town? Well it's huge. It takes over a giant chunk of the city several miles especially the downtown area but also beyond that it does have a huge impact. Let's talk about some health. Concerns from people who live in Austin and online petition calling for a total cancellation of south by southwest. West has more than forty thousand signatures. I've been to south by southwest. It's been a number of years but like any popular gathering. There are a lot of people in a lot of lines it can be getting into a movie can be getting into a club getting into a restaurant. You are very much cheek to jowl with a lot of your fellow festival guests and I guess that's something that a lot of people might be concerned about. It's not just that you're inside venue with a lot of people. But they're massive crowds basically wherever you go on all the streets and a lot of public spaces. Yeah that is a very real part of the concern is that it's just going to put a lot of people in close quarters. The festival did talk today about potentially encouraging people to be further physically apart from each other whether that means capping the capacity at venues or starting a standing in line protocol. I don't know specifically but it's something that seemed to be aware of the head of twitter. Jack Dorsey was scheduled to speak but he's since cancelled. Because of the company's concerns about the corona virus in fact twitter said in a statement that it was cancelling all quote non critical business travel and events unquote. Who else has bowed out so far. We've seen twitter facebook Amazon Amazon Entertainment Amazon studios when out today. Tick Tock went out today. A measurable which usually has a pretty sizeable south by South West presence. Cancel yesterday. There's probably more to. We're talking with Texas monthly writer. Dan Solomon about south by southwest and concerns over the corona virus. I WanNa talk a little bit about the economic impact of south by southwest. Obviously there are a lot of hotels and restaurants that benefit but it seems from your own reporting. There are a lot of smaller businesses. That really rely on south by Southwest Festival didn't happen they'd be in a big amount of trouble. Yeah that's absolutely true. One thing that it's kind of hard to break apart is south by southwest rise with the rise of Austin Austin city of that is rapidly growing population and that growth has coincided with the rise of south by southwest. And so you've seen a lot of people and a lot of businesses that factor south by South West heavily into their business models. So you've got caterers. Who opened up operations because they knew that every march they could pay a third of their monthly bills. Off of one week I talked to all sorts of people who have jobs that you wouldn't think of as a south by southwest thing carpenters and pedicab drivers and people who rent Porta potties. And all of those people really do count on South by southwest as a huge part of their annual income. I think it's also important to note that south by southwest can be an important launching point for musical acts and for movies right now. I think there's about one hundred world premiere films including new movies from Judd Appetito. There's a documentary. About the Beastie Boys New King Arthur movie with Patel. I'm wondering in terms of its impact in the conversation about art and artists. How important would you say south by southwest has become? It's huge. I mean especially. The film festival has been growing every year and people like John. Appetite Tau like if he can't premier his movie at South by southwest any other film festival in the world would be happy to have him but there are a lot of people who get a benefit from small filmmakers independent filmmakers short filmmakers who get a benefit from premiering their phone at the same festival judd appetite out of festival with the prestige of south by southwest. And that would be. It'd be really difficult for people who are counting on that premiere to make connections to launch their careers to lose it as far as musicians. Go The festival itself doesn't pay very well but there are all of these events. Historically that happened around the festival often paid for by companies like Amazon and facebook and twitter. Who Get pretty good paychecks? And you'll see bands who wrote their entire tours around going south by South West so they can play. Fourteen shows in Austin that week including official showcase and without that economy happening it really does have a huge disruptive effect on a lot of Art Creativity. That's at the core of the festival the organizers of MIB TV which was set for later this month in France just cancelled that annual television convention. I'm wondering if you have any idea of what the organizers of south by southwest are trying to wrestle with now what is the balance they're trying to strike? I mean. I think that they do have a real concern. Certainly the city of Austin has a real concern if it makes more sense to have everything under the control of south by southwest which can at least institute hand washing protocols and recommended safe distances and have some authority over the people who who come to town for the festival versus just having sort of a chaos festival because all of those bands who booked their tors to Austin. Most of them are hand to Mouth. Starts Musicians. Who CAN'T AFFORD TO CANCEL? Literally they already took time off of work. They're going to be coming anyway. You know people who aren't traveling on badges people who are just coming to south by South West to have a good time a lot of them are still gonna come so I think that a big part of the concern right now is. Is it more useful for south by South West to continue to have control over what happens in Austin or is it more useful to just say everybody stay home? This isn't a safe place to be. And I think that they're legitimately struggling with that. And I'm sure there are also struggling with some very real financial considerations it will be hard to me bound from cancelling something that they've worked on all year. I think that there's a real resistance to that. Just because this is all they do south by southwest project of another organization. They put on this festival for ten days in March and having to cancel it just days before it's supposed to begin. It's supposed to start a week from Friday. I think that's something that they're just resistant to do. Because they've been working on it for a year then Solomon is a writer for Texas monthly. He joined us from Austin Dan. Thanks so much for coming on the
Twitter CEO Jack Dorsey could be ousted by activist investors
"Media reports say Elliott Management is taken roughly one billion dollars stake in twitter and nominated for directors to the board Elliott which is known for its activist. Campaigns has been in talks twitter's management about its desire for the company to find a full-time CEO twitter's Jack Dorsey also CEO of Square of course and he said last year he plans to move to Africa for three to six months this year. There's a Lotta talk over the weekend about whether this was a political move because just connections with the president but this seems like a pretty easy woman. Ceo has two jobs and he says he's moving to Africa these because it was a pretty easy target by saying you're going to go to Africa for three to six months. Easy time for one of these guys to step in and say Let's pay square. A square is a big company. I started it was kind of this thing I have on the side maybe promising. And so it's it seems like it's at least one job.
"jack dorsey" Discussed on Who? Weekly
"Give me those videos can weed. I can't wait for Andie macdowell great. When does that release also because it's on account? They're calling Avin calendar. I don't know what this release date is. Is it one a day? When is it end? I had a structure last time. Okay. We we have to talk about this call now. Even I is it true. That Twitter's Jack Dorsey mailed his beard hair to Zia banks and y as problematic. I even hate that word. As problematic as alia banks is. As Elliot banks. Also might be the most honest person on the planet, high believe everything alia banks says how is she is. She has nothing to lose though. How is no. That's that's why in so many tech CEO moments this year. I know it's only two, but like that's a lot. She's like, it's the big boys. She's like sullying Yulon Moscow. She's alone. She's alone lawn. Musk's house I mean, and now she's like. Jack Dorsey, whatever the best part about this is that it's literally a footnote in Vanity Fair piece about Jack Dorsey like who cares even about that asshole? And like mentioned by Nick Bilton who wrote the piece like kind of as an off hand, and then the geniuses at spin went back and found the now deleted zillion banks tweets that refer to the same incident. So it's like kind of corroborated from both ends. We're like a source told unless it was both as Elliot banks. But I kind of doubt that like a source told Nick that this had happened, and then Zulia banks had these tweets that said that people probably at the time Jack Dorsey asked me to tweet about his cash op and exchange. He was supposed to tweet about my mixed. AP? Never did heal sent me his hair envelope because I was supposed to make him an amulet for protection. I mean, twenty sixteen that's back when she was slaughtering chickens in the closet. I mean, there was a wild year for Zulia bang. When was the last time as banks wasn't the figure that she is now when came out for about three months. Yeah. What was that doesn't eleven doesn't twelve? What year two thousand twelve I think it was after that. I think whatever. Yeah. So this is true. I mean, it's true. What else do we say about this at happens? It's it's true. In for anyone who hadn't heard the story yet. There's a story Jack Dorsey is a sea of Twitter. Did I say that yet? Yeah. He is a much maligned character Twitter sucks. I mean banks also maligned character because of her Twitter the ion the there, the irony they're they're they're saying, they're really clashing. I, but again, I will say, yeah, we don't have to have a video of Jack Dorsey opening up Szalay things. Opening an envelope of Jack Dorsey facial hair trimmings. No. But I believe everything she says, and I believe that Jack Dorsey went to Zambia banks tweet about my cash app like into sixteen like that's what he was. That's what he was busy doing. You know, what was his cash cash square? Whatever. Anyway, that's true. That's true. It's true. The I recently heard a crazy statistic till not I heard that women. Don't wear eighty percent of the clothes. They. That's very true. We'll also from personal experience. That's true. Like, I just have so many close. I'm just straight up not wearing be funny T shirts that I once got that. I can't get rid of also stuff that legit does not fit you now or ever like that will never fit you. So you're just like hoping that one day you'll wear that thing either too big or too small you just don't wear any this up this in your closet. So why even own clothes, right? Why even own them rent? The runway is a fashion company. Started by two women with simple question. Why own when you can rent which is. Why be limited by the confines of the closet speak about.
"jack dorsey" Discussed on Security Now
"Is really your responsibility. If you don't put something online under your name. And I'm talking about your Twitter handle, your Facebook or Instagram or Snapchat account Beck about a website when people Google your name. They're not gonna find you. They're gonna find this stuff. Other people put up about you. You don't want that you want to control it. So you need to I think as a teenager create your own website and put your. Best stuff up their videos of you winning the four hundred meter racer your best a plus SA or pictures. That's what I do. I put a lot of pictures up on my website. I'm pretty proud of my photography, and it's fun to share it with people that way and by doing it on your own site. You control it you own it. Not Mark Zuckerberg, not Jack Dorsey nine Evan Spiegel. Not some other company you own your site. Your you? Upload your images, your video your audio. You're more you can import it from anywhere. You can export it back out. Anytime you want it. No, one can no one can take it away from you. Now, of course, you can still link to your Facebook, and Twitter and Instagram, and Snapchat, and all of that, you can still do all that. Well, I guess you can't link to snap champ everywhere else you can link to in fact, face WordPress makes it really easy. I have photos from flicker automatically posted in my Instagram in my WordPress account when I had an Instagram account. It would automatically go there. It is. So you can kind of cross post and. That's great too. Because it helps build your presence on the internet build your reputation across the internet. And if you're a business.
"jack dorsey" Discussed on Product Hunt Radio
"And then we have focused our company on building glitch, which is a set of creative tool Seraing, but it wants to build apps and share them and it has been taking off. So that's been a lot of fun. Cool. So the, there's sort of an underlying theme with this when I reach out to Neil's, hey, do you want to? I get an a podcast and talk about things and who'd be good fit. And I was like, Allison, be great because she's also someone who's been building community for years. So you know, we're gonna just gonna talk. We're in talk about communities products and right before we said recording this, we started talking a lot about social media and kind of responsibility of those that are billing communities. We can go a lot of different directions here, but one thing. Well, and you have a lot of thoughts. You've shared a lot of thoughts on the internet's around community's responsibility. Yeah. How'd you manage Twitter? First off because you you get a lot of supporters, and a lot of not supporters say I've opinions and they people have feelings about Twitter's particularly interesting example. I think my background is I've been in. Social media on the web for basically as long as it's existed in, I used to help run live journal which was one of the first large scale social networks and actually was a big influence on Twitter. If you go back, you can finalize probably still on flicker somewhere. Jack Dorsey had shared a drawing of his original conception of what would become Twitter back when I think he was still in Saint Louis and call it status net satis net, and the idea was inspired by live journal, but it would work over text messaging on your phone and that stuck with me in that there is a history to social networks are there now decades of practice and experience about what works, what doesn't it what you have to eight and and that it changed when they got to like live journal is probably the first social network to get to a million or ten million users. And what year is this Brad Fitzpatrick was the founder live journal. He created a nineteen ninety nine. The company I was working with in two thousand four called six apart acquired the company in two thousand fourteen thousand five round that timeframe and. So for context, the dominant players at the time were friendster and my space started right around that time, and you know, and it's like some of it is like that sort of wacky like, oh, old days the internet, like the fun thing about being an old dude, but the did you use aim by the way? Did I? Yeah. And I mean, I just have never is like at live journal my space friendster there was this weird website called make out club. That was like Joe wasn't, but it was cool. Yeah, I was on all that stuff. Like really pets. They were on like there was so many different places that you could go and create express yourself. I mean, I think you know, we talk about these lot on the glitch team because people are like, I've never heard of any of that stuff like I was four years old like, I don't know what that is, and you tell people millions of people used to make the internet these to build their own webpage. They used to like, you know. Cities. Those I know the history of my space, one of my spaces. I don't know if you'd call innovations, but also failures is the ability to hack in customize it. It made it really well technical mess, but it was wide open, but it was wide open and people could express themselves in interesting ways. And it's a really interesting lesson, right? Because what I find some of the young folks I meant are, you know, are like the web is known as always been Facebook. And so the idea like there, which by the way, if you don't mind me interjecting, it's kind of similar to how Ayla was perceived by, you know, older generations by the time when it was in lockdown. But even there there was like a sort of wild west on, well, where like if you wanna make a fan page for your favorite band or whatever you would, and it would just be whatever you made..
"jack dorsey" Discussed on Recode Media with Peter Kafka
"The quality of journalism and do so without gatekeepers in a way that allows me to control my own message has been amazing the the, the bad things. The same thing that people much more vulnerable than I am complain about, which is that you know anybody can walk over to me in Washington square park and scream how much they hate me at me and to reply to them would actually bring more of that upon me. And so this sort of openness to attack in the loss and the velocity of it. And the scale of it sometimes like when when a big account. Decides that it's gonna, you know, unload on or something. I said, usually in criticism of me being part of a liberal media, which I'm not, but they think I am that which, again, I only experience a fraction of it compared to other people where much more vulnerable than I have and I and I'm privileged character. I have a blue check next to my name. I have tenure at NYU, so I have all these protections, but that would be the the thing that dissatisfied with the most along with some passively in some of the changes that you introduce that really bothers me like, what is the algorithm doing to my feet? I don't actually know and, and I don't know where to go to find out. And that's, that's another trusting area research as well as like the rhythm doesn't know either. Sometimes there's there's this research field in around explain ability, and the intention is to encourage more functionality than allows especially deep learning algorithms to explain the criteria, the decision making criteria they're using right now. That's big issue. They can't be a problem. So if you don't know why decision they made and you literally don't know what you're doing. We're moving more and more of our our decision suet like I'm wearing Napa walk. She tells me to stand right now and then and like I have offloaded a decision around my physical health to his thing. And if it can't tell me why it's making that right, the particular point, I know that it happens ten minutes to the top of the hour, but that may change over time and that may impact something in a fundamental way that I can't predict. So. So. Here's in opacity. Yeah. Thanks again to Jay Rosen for talking to Jack Dorsey on the record for an hour. Thanks again to Jay Rosen for letting us bring that interview to you for free. You're welcome. Again. If you like this podcast, tell someone else about it. This is the first time you're listening to this podcast. Go ahead and subscribe on apple podcasts over ever you like to listen to podcasts. Thanks again to Joe. Robbie, who edits this show tonight producers, Golda Arthur, and Carrie Johnson Recode media. We will see you fix..
"jack dorsey" Discussed on Recode Media with Peter Kafka
"Recode media Peter Kafka. That is me, but I am not going to be spending much time talking to you on this episode. Instead, you're going to hear from Jay Rosen. The NYU professor who's been on this show a couple of different times. He's great. He sat down with Twitter CEO, Jack Dorsey this week. They talked for an hour and you're going to hear that interview in a couple of seconds. Couple quick notes about this. Jerry this on his iphone five. So it's going to sound a little bit different than the standard hide cast audio quality. You might be used to still listenable though you will enjoy it. You should also read with Jay had to say about this interview himself. I assume it's on his press, think blog, but I'm sure if you Google Jay rose and Jack Dorsey, you will find jase blog entry about this. We are also putting up a full transcript of this interview over on Recode dot net. All right. So you've got a transcript. He got Jay's commentary about this and you've got the audio itself, which you can hear now a one quick thing. Thanks to Joe. Robbie, our engineer who did a lot of work so he, you could hear this. Today. Okay. Here we go. This is NYU's Jay Rosen interviewing Jack Dorsey, the CEO of Twitter. Sticking with the the five? Yeah, I don't like to change much and that's not so great for technology. I'm like one of those users who always like screams when you change something and half the time I aided and half the time I get to like it. Or did you think you'll trading exactly that? I like at first I said, I'm not gonna do this. I'm going to voluntarily stick to one forty because I thought that was a great constraint. And I thought it was unwise, change it, but now it became a little ridiculous to hold out because everybody else was using eighty when they needed to. So now I'm comfortable with it. It didn't. It didn't actually create any huge problems reform that like when people are just tweeting Moore's or as a protest? Yeah, on average tends to stay below one hundred forty, which is very interesting. Great. Where it's really been helpful is when people have a conversation. So replies do go of one forty. Yeah, and allows a little bit more nuanced movie more space to have a discussion discourse..
"jack dorsey" Discussed on WBBM Newsradio
"Bs news weekend roundup, I'm Steve Dorsey members of congress growth executives at two of the world's top social media platforms Wednesday, nearly two years after the two thousand sixteen elections. Facebook and Twitter executives told the Senate panel their companies were not properly equipped to stop misinformation campaigns on their platforms. We were too slow to spot this and too slow to act we found ourselves unprepared and ill equipped for the city of the problems that we've acknowledged base books Sheryl Sandberg. And Twitter's Jack Dorsey said, they learn from the past and that they are coordinating with other social media companies and law enforcement to stop bad actors finding inauthentic behavior as a challenge. And I think you're seeing us put veal resources to bear Dorsey said Twitter has suspended over three thousand accounts believed to be linked to the same Russian internet agency identified in special counsel, Robert Muller's indictment. Google was also invited to the Senate hearing, but declined the invitation Alex Jones host of the now cancelled web program info wars attended the hearing as a spectator. The real election meddling is by Facebook and Google and others are shadow banning people outright manning people Dorsey was pressed on Twitter band, while appearing solo before a house panel later in the day our policies, and our algorithms don't take an consideration any affiliation philosophy. Where viewpoint Dorsey testified thousands of accounts, including some lawmakers were inadvertently caught in its filtering algorithm. Nicole Killian CBS news Capitol Hill. Jack Dorsey, no relation to me. Nikes facing backlash from some customers after the sportswear company featured former NFL quarterback Colin Kaepernick in an ad campaign. Throwing this in the fire, Colin fabrics. Now, the face of some lit their Nike shoes on fire sharing the video on social media. Sorry, Nike buying you from a past twenty plus years. Not anymore. It's part of Nikes thirtieth anniversary of its just do it campaign. But it's not sitting well with some Nike fans Suzy Burkhardt says, you won't find her sporting the Swoosh I thought about it this morning and last night when I was getting ready to decide what is gonna wear. I swear I'm not wearing any Nike.
"jack dorsey" Discussed on Newsradio 830 WCCO
"On the CBS news weekend roundup. I'm Steve Dorsey members of congress growth executives at two of the world's top social media platforms Wednesday, nearly two years after the two thousand sixteen elections Facebook and Twitter executives told the Senate panel their companies were not properly equipped to stop misinformation campaigns on their platforms. We were too slow to spot this and too slow to act we ourselves unprepared and ill equipped for the immensity of the problems that we've acknowledged base books Sheryl Sandberg. And Twitter's John Dorsey said, they learn from the past and that they are coordinating with other social media companies and law enforcement to stop Ben actors finding inauthentic behavior is a challenge. And I think you're seeing us put real resources to bear Dorsey said Twitter has suspended over three thousand accounts believed to be linked to the same Russian internet agency identified in special counsel. Robert Muller's indictment was also invited. Into the Senate hearing, but declined the invitation Alex Jones host of the now cancelled web program info wars, attended the hearing as a spectator the real election meddling by Facebook and Google and others are shadow manning people. All right manning, people Dorsey was pressed on Twitter ban, while appearing solo before a house panel later in the day our policies, and our algorithms don't take into consideration any affiliation philosophy. Where viewpoint Dorsey testified thousands of accounts, including some lawmakers were inadvertently caught in its filtering algorithm. Nicole Killian CBS news Capitol Hill. Jack Dorsey, no relation to me. Nike's facing backlash from some customers after the sportswear company featured former NFL quarterback Colin Kaepernick in an ad campaign. Colin Kaepernick is now the face some lit their Nike shoes on fire sharing the video on social media. Sorry nike. I've been buying you for twenty plus years. Not anymore. It's part of Nikes thirtieth anniversary of its just do it campaign. But it's not sitting well with some Nike fans Suzy Burkhardt says, you won't find her sporting the Swoosh I thought about it this morning and last night when I was getting ready to decide what is gonna wear I wear it. I'm not wearing any Nike kapernick became a divisive figure when he began kneeling during the national anthem and 2016 protesting police, brutality and racial injustice. He's been unsigned since then entangled in a lawsuit with the NFL accusing the league of a legally shutting him out one Garay is a month fans Beckingham.
"jack dorsey" Discussed on GeekWire - Geared Up
"I've got something much more significant to talk about them. What is it an insider in the administration working against the president? Google glass. What year is it. Exactly. Well, I I've told me I, why was Jack Dorsey was hit congress this week that this is the Twitter CEO, right? He was testifying as was a Sheryl Sandberg of Facebook about foreign governments, trying to manipulate social media platforms to influence our elections. There was this epic photo that came out after his testimony. He was walking out and Alex Jones, the conservative political rabble rouser I think is probably the nicest thing you can say about him on the troll. Okay. He is yelling at Dorsey from one side, and so a lot of people are focusing on that. And after this, actually I think unrelated to the scene, but Twitter, band info wars, and Alex Jones, which is a whole other thing. There's a lot of speculation about whether it's related to his behavior this week. Yeah, because he also accosted Marco Rubio and there's video of and it's very awkward. Okay. Well, the thing that is zeroed in on in this photo and a few other people on Twitter to to was. It appears that one of the entourage of Jack Dorsey, this man toward the center of the photo immediately to Dorsey left is wearing Google glass. That is the shocking thing about I agree. I need some reporting into this. Who is this guy? Why is he wearing Google glass? What is he? I want and I've been searching and I have not been able to find any. So I think this might be a challenge for us to take on. I have to. Can you still by Google glass is they're still software to support Google glass? Like there's so many questions? This is? Yes, absolutely. Some of the greatest story ideas come out of these podcasts discussions. This just happened, but we'll link to this photo. It is epic. It's like, you know, some kind of, you know, Roman novel. You know, it's like it's, it's an amazing scene here on the steps of the courthouse and. Then there's the Google glass guy. Last guy should we leave it on him, the mystery, the mystery lives. All right. Hey, just a reminder next week we will be recording live.
"jack dorsey" Discussed on KOMO
"This hearing finally got down to issues and the dominant issue today the shadow looming over cavenaugh for many Democrats, whether President Trump picked him. So he would rule in the president's favor in any cases stemming from special counsel, Robert Mueller's investigation cavenaugh offered a personal declaration of independence. No one is above the law in our constitutional system. Democrats weren't satisfied and they drilled down. What are the president himself has subpoenaed to testify? I'm Charlie harder. Executives from social media companies were questioned by a house committee today Twitter CEO, Jack Dorsey, telling them, his company doesn't have a political bias. We believe it's dangerous to ask Twitter to regularly opinions or be the arbiter of truth. We'd rather be judged by the impartiality of outcomes and criticised when we fail this principle. Joining us on the KOMO news line is Washington Post technology policy reporter cats. Crespi cat. This all comes as we head into the November elections, and there's chatter of Russia trying to influence people on social media. What did you see today? Thanks so much for having me on the show. I think today was a really important moment, purple, Twitter and Facebook. Addressing these concerns about election interference. Before the midterm election that we're heading into today with their day to really try and make the case law makers that they were ready to address some of their concerns of as we had election cycle. There are complaints at Twitter. Does something called shadow banning of some of its conservative users. Was that address today did come up particularly in the hearing that Jack Dorsey participated in. Afternoon. And I think there's definitely a lot of concern about better practices around free speech. There's some criticism of companies policies around banning for users and concerns that. Employees that can valley companies may have more of a left wing bias. And because of that might be. Unfairly discriminating against certain rightwing groups. The tone that Jack Dorsey took both carrying today on this issue. He repeatedly talked about the need for Twitter as a kind of digital public square and the difficult balance. But they're in when it comes to preserving free speech while also protecting privacy and safety Dorsey was air, you had Sheryl Sandberg from Facebook Google was not at least of wannabe hearings. What kind of reactions are those companies getting to their testimony today? I think lawmakers were very focused on Google absence. Today's hearing. They wanted to see also send a topic executive along with Cheryl Sandberg and Jack Dorsey and company decided not to and I think lawmakers, really. Left an empty chair for Google to really highlight that absence we had a couple of senators when it came their term to question the company's even say Hello to the invisible witness that wasn't sitting in that Google chair to call attention to their absence. So I think that decision has really drawn a lot of criticism for from lawmakers and will bring more scrutiny to some of Google's practices when it comes to these issues around the election. Washington Post new policy reporter for technology cats. Cranky cat. Thanks so much. It's great meeting. You. Thanks. It's nice meeting you as well. Your money at twenty and fifty past the hour on KOMO news. And here's your KOMO propel insurance money update..
"jack dorsey" Discussed on WDRC
"Who are considered anti semitic who Nazis who don't. They got shut down on Twitter. Why circa are? In America today. Now, let me ask you something though, they're not even trying to make a pretense. I mean, if they had committees and said, we're gonna staff them with half. Conservatives have liberals they must believe that if they were to allow even an even voice for conservatives and liberals on these committees making the decisions that that they would have the chance that they would be found out or that there. There are attempts to to censor would be shut down. So they've stacked them for a reason. How does he deny that that that bias in the way they form the committee's is not going to show up in the committee's decisions? Well, I think they genuinely believe worldview Jack Dorsey tweeted out an article from about how California became a one a one party state a tweet out. Good read, and it was basically saying that Americans reached the point where. To happen. We're American liberals democracy to take over. Well, I think you've got so many institutionally liberal people hanging out with so many people. They don't see anything wrong Jack Dorsey okay to rely on journalists to point out flaws. In fact, when many of us don't trust him because they haven't agenda. Google doesn't see any along with relying on institutional left-wing news organization. So when somebody says a big study talking about conservatives and liberals see on Google. The top five organizations in our study or New York Times Washington Post CNN politico, this one post nine percent of all the links that saw the study. I just I don't know how they can defend it. And and I think they'd be better off just to say we're going to allow all voices on and the only thing is gonna get you tossed his over threats of violence because otherwise, you know, it's always going to be biased against conservatives, and they have an effective monopoly because of their size, and because of the, you know, there's no barrier to entry anybody who wants to go out and start something like Facebook. The problem is they don't have a couple of billion people subscribing to it. In many billions of dollars to build it marketed create a technical. And I mean these companies now are talking about throwing. Billions of dollars at tech support billions of dollars, hiring employees. You've got companies. Language experts across the globe. Because he's a global endeavors of incapable two point two million people. It's it's runs into. Right now, you can afford to step that up the gross the gross makes it very difficult to compete. Ultimately would be simpler, if they if.
"jack dorsey" Discussed on KOMO
"Seven. Jeremy grater is at the editor's desk. Nice to have you with us as we take a look at some of the day's top stories a controversial former Alabama judge is filing a ninety five million dollar lawsuit against British comedian Sasha baron Cohen former Senate candidate ROY Moore claims he was duped into appearing on Cohen's Showtime series. Who is America? California congressman Duncan Hunter is being accused of spending campaign funds on fares with multiple people hunter and his wife. Have pleaded not guilty to sixty charges of misusing about two hundred fifty thousand dollars in campaign funds on themselves on Charlie harder. Executives from social media companies were questioned by a house committee today. Twitter's CEO, Jack Dorsey, telling them, his company doesn't have a political bias. We believe it's dangerous to ask Twitter to regularly opinions or be the arbiter of truth. We'd rather be judged by the impartiality of outcomes and criticised when we fail this principle. Join. Joining us on the KOMO news line is Washington Post technology policy reporter cats. Cranky cad. This all comes as we head into the November elections, and there's chatter of Russia trying to influence people on social media. What did you see today? Thanks so much for having me on the show. I think today was a really important moment for both Twitter and Facebook addressing these concerns about election interference. Just before the midterm election that we're heading into today with their day to really try and make the case law makers that know they were ready to address some of their concerts of as we had to this election cycle there. Complaints at Twitter does something called shadow banning some of its conservative users. Was that address today that topic did come up particularly in the hearing that Jack Dorsey participated in house committee this afternoon? And I think there's definitely a lot of concern about practices around free speech. There's been a lot of criticism of the companies policies around banning users and concerns that employees at Silicon Valley companies may have more of a left wing bias. And because of that might be. Unfairly discriminating against certain right wing groups. Tone that Jack Dorsey really took in both hearings today on this issue. He repeatedly talked about the need for Twitter as a kind of digital public square and the difficult balance that they're in when it comes to preserving free speech while also protecting user's privacy and safety Dorsey was there, you had Sheryl Sandberg from Facebook clear. Google was not at least one of the hearings. What kind of reactions are those companies getting to their testimony today? I think lawmakers were very focused on Google absence. At today's hearing they wanted to see also send a topic -secutive along with Cheryl Sandberg and Jack Dorsey and the company decided not to and I think lawmakers, really. They left an empty chair for Google to really highlight. That after we had a couple of senators when it came to question the company's even say, you know, Hello to the invisible witness that wasn't sitting in that Google chaired at call attention to their absence. So I think that decision has really drawn a lot of criticism for from lawmakers and will bring more scrutiny to some of Google's practices when it comes to these issues around the election. That is the Washington Post new policy reporter for technology. Cats a cranky cat. Thanks so much. It's great meeting. You. Thanks. It's nice meeting you as well. Most Charlie Harger, KOMO news time six fifteen time for your propel insurance money update with Frank Miller. I was able to eke out a modest gain of twenty two points to close at twenty five thousand nine seventy four the s&p down eight points to twenty eight eighty eight. The NASDAQ though getting walloped on the day down one point two percent down ninety six points to seventy nine ninety five as the tech sector saw its week as day in about a month says the CEO's of Facebook and Twitter, we're getting grilled on Capitol Hill. That's your money. Now. Speaking of Facebook, fewer Americans are signing into Facebook new survey shows twenty six percent of US users have deleted the Facebook app from their cell phones over the last twelve months. The Pew Research Center also found forty percent of the adults surveyed said they are taking a break from checking the social media website for several weeks or more money comes your way at twenty and fifty past.
"jack dorsey" Discussed on Reliable Sources with Brian Stelter
"Hey, welcome to a special edition of the reliable sources podcast, an in depth interview with Twitter CEO, Jack Dorsey. I'm Brian Stelter and we'll have to Twitter headquarters in seven, Cisco recently to sit down with Dorsey. He's been on a bit of a mediatory in giving interviews and opening up about Twitter's problems, battle in the Beauce and hate speech, disinformation and harassment. These problems of course, are not unique to Twitter, but Dorsey says he is willing to consider anything. He's willing to question everything in order to improve the service to improve what he calls the health of the conversations on Twitter. We spoke for about thirty minutes on the tenth floor of the Twitter headquarters. We added a portion of this on television, but we wanted to share the entire conversation with you in this podcast format beginning with a pretty simple question, what's broken, Jack, thanks so much for sitting down with me. Thank you a big question to start off with, and I'm sorry, it sounds so negative. But what is broken about Twitter today? What is broken about Twitter? I mean, I think it really depends on who you follow and your perception of what you see and and how you feel about that. I mean there there's a lot of emphasis today on politics, Twitter and politics. Twitter tends to be. Pretty divisive, and it tends to be pretty contentious. And you see a lot of outrage and you see a lot of a lot of unhealthy debate that you probably want to walk away from tangibly. If you go to other Twitter's like NBA Twitter or k pop Twitter, you see the complete opposite. You see a lot of empowering conversation. You see a lot of aspects that want to keep you in the conversation and and have you engaged in the conversation. So we do have a lot of focus right now on some of the negative things given the current environment. And I believe it's important to see those. I believe it's important to see the dark areas of society so that we can acknowledge and we can address them. And I think the only way to address them is through conversation, but it is hard especially when it feels toxic and the you want to walk away from it. So I, I don't think there's a generalization around what is broken about Twitter, but there are certainly things that we can. Can look at to help it be healthier across all the Twitter's that you might follow, and you might be interested in across all the communities that exist on. Yup. Absolutely, yeah. What about incentives that encourage the extremes encourage polarization when you're trying to get lots of likes and re tweets? Doesn't that encourage people to? I don't know behave badly. You know, I, I believe it may and I just backing up a bit like when we started the company in the service twelve years ago. We weren't necessarily thinking about some of the repercussions from our actions, and they look quite small at the time. For instance, we thought, you know, well, people are following you so we should count them and then we should put that count right on your profile page and obviously people care about that. So we should make a big, but that one small choice and it felt very small at the time and info obvious at the time, put an incentive to grow that number is at the right attention. Is that the right incentive that we should be driving? I don't think it is today. I don't think it matters as much in context of how many conversations you have or how much you contribute back to the the network. And like is another good example where you know when you tweet and you don't get a lot of lakes and you feel bad about it, is that the incentive we really want to drive? Is that what we're actually..
"jack dorsey" Discussed on FinTech Insider
"Respond to that obviously because of the sort of excitement that says around crypto currencies in general but also the sort of optimism of finding a new use case or something along those lines does seem to be doing pretty decent job sort of straddling both of these companies in the moment doesn't need both of them seem to really had a rekindling of what it was that made them good in the first place he's super cool and this is what we keep coming back to like he's tech cool and he sort of fintech cooler knee sort of sits in those two like in the middle of those two van grams where actually very few people have managed to sort of set on not as much as you like salmon talamona jack dorsey or you simon taylor likes jack dorsey more than i can categorically say both i do i mean there's obviously a lot of money to be made in this and i do wonder how much the cryptocurrency exchange added to resolute s recent announcement that they made profitability because essentially they're adding i think one point five percent two every purchase you make there so what they launched that in december twenty seventeen and now you know march they're saying they've had their first profitable month the something in for me because especially against that business model of wholesale forex fees for the retail market that's even with the premium uses they've got really hard to make money on the fact that they've got profitable i do wonder if if this is being there golden goose if actually allowing people to buy crypto currencies and if they got enough of people to do that then that could could've added up to a significant amount of cash what i'll be really interested to see is whether or not this upward trend is actually sustainable for their stock price because i think if you look at the word blockchain any company that's adopted our put that into the company their stock price has grown a significant amount because lots of people have the attitude of pumping and dumping in the market at the moment but on the other hand actually i see it as quite an interesting opportunity because bitcoin crypto currencies in general a lot of people that's just getting started it's.
"jack dorsey" Discussed on Happy Hour
"Now is going to why but i was probably going move over the january i was just waiting for it to get worse than west an area wolrath wrap was not equipped with something i think you know the answer to but do you think that there is any amount of outraged that twitter could receive that would make them rethink this decision same name the only the only thing that i think might make him rethink is if throughout the not become substantially let's work which may happen later in the year and in that case they might reevaluate in a whole ira small team three or four paper demanded the side even now i think spirit a stretch like i didn't make is guaranteed by any means yeah deflating for jack dorsey in my view though as as a take care of those people who little guys in indiana digger need vision of their tubing don't don't know upset your your old school fan so anyway tell me about the iphone 10 in what appals doing to try to push i from ten display apps yeah this is a this is a core policy with our which you're going to bit further apple released uh send out one email developers sang from eight perot all new apps must be bill with the irs levin sdk and they must support the iphone ten quote unquote super retton despite naively so that means that the ops call be released in the old it was only support oh screens eyes which means they copy lab looks anymore but these only applies to new apps an update seattle.
"jack dorsey" Discussed on Venture Stories
"A law against killing each other like this whole thing we've made up here when it work and i think we're learning that right now on the internet which is i give you just caride these open spaces and say 'do romans lake mega whatever you want there's in direction ict intend to go and so let me ask you if if mark zuckerberg jack dorsey said hey dave you've got great harry got great maher said i wanna take a day with and really understand what what i should do what would you advise facebook and twitter respectively so i'm a little limited i actually when i could say cause facebook is actually a crash on as half court um but i i think it's it's did like when you look at managing commuted obviously the scale that is that they're working in is different from a smaller community but when you look at ways that you can encourage redirect behavior you know you have you have culture and you have rules yet riot culture says like here's what we believe you're the standards of values we have and many times is kind of selfpolicing in a way so it's more proactive it's like if you're here we're we're going to motivate youth right act in these ways and then there's the reactive which it up the the rules reprecussions the laws that saline earned you're here and you might still be motivated to do these wrong things so here you are the rules in the laws of we laid down and here the reprecussions for it and we're going to be consistent about it and i mean it's hard rightly read it in this new rule.
"jack dorsey" Discussed on KBNP AM 1410
"So buttoneddown and so insistent on order news to houston in fact what we had a guess on the street from intel hillsborough and if you go to hills the hillsborough of fabric in the offices for for into all right now if you go there at five minutes to nine and if you go there at five ms after nine is nobody come into the door people still don't wanna walk in the door one minute after nine because andy grove used to stand at the door yell at him for being even long after his passing people still in told dole arrive unless it well away from that 9 o'clock window and i i think that's exactly right india would talk about how he wanted intel to be a hightech jelly bean factory well how is steve jobs and larry ellison and the like though what do they kind of tell us about the ilan musk's said the world uh that liver officials or the louvre's ceo jack dorsey is yes yes so the the troublemakers that i look at in my book i think and had in common a few things one is great audacity and and a second thing was persistence really in the face of significant push back so if you look at and let's take the biotech industry for example you had the mayor of cambridge massachusetts shutting down biotech research because he wondered if it might be poisoning the community around him and yet the biotech researchers and company starters were convinced in they had science on their side that this was going to be okay then they just kept pushing forward and the third thing that i would really point two as being very important and it's easy to lose sight of sometimes in an exciting time is dead people who are really effective troublemakers actually know what they're talking about they are not just sort of crossing their fingers and closing their eyes and hoping what they think is true is true well over you know you mentioned the environment to the office silk of valid for all of its uh non conservative notions has been a great protector of of the natural environment there and you know the pollution of the relatives silicon valley as the.
"jack dorsey" Discussed on Make Me Smart with Kai and Molly
"As you know facebook and twitter and grew will have been up on the hill this week spending time sitting at that long green table in front of the senate intelligence and senate judiciary committees uh asking about the whole russia uh two thousand sixteen elections thing and here's my question i am somewhat gobsmacked that jack dorsey and mark zuckerberg and uh sooner per tried google were not there that is to say the people actually running these companies and they sent their lawyers and it says to me that these companies still don't understand a what has happened and be how much trouble they could conceivably be in and i would love your thoughts on that i have gone back and forth on this because on the one hand these hearings are so often theater yep that that there is no real winwin scenario for mark zuckerberg or even sheryl sandberg or jack dorsey to sit there and be on record and replayed over and over and over and turned into you know gifts and memes for something that that they don't really know is actually going to have an impact right that they're really might not be much of an income an outcome as a result of these hearings there might be like a lot of talk about it and and they don't get regulated because their political climate is not interested in regulation so i think that they made with this is purely a gas do not know but my guess is that they made a calculated decision that the pr fallout would be worse than the potential regulation.