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50 Years of NWA Champion Dory Funk Jr - LIVE

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50 Years of NWA Champion Dory Funk Jr - LIVE

"The chair co network on Westwood One. For me. Join me in the Fridley on gate to the race. He is be longest reigning and w way world heavyweight champion. He has been in Fokker three major territory, and he had environment in the phrase. Wrestling journal ball time goes after still own paradise knowledge that fairly wasn't to this of this man's alost career paying the gentleman. Girls was your hands together. He was. We all lost WC. Federated. One of the reasons we all in all as wrestling. Restored. Down with this. Jericho has wave be world viewers, very. In the honor. I you. Recall. Recall. Ricco? Welcome to talk is Jericho does the pot of thunder and rock and roll. And today, we've got the legendary deputy hall of Famer and NWEA champion Dory. Funk junior live. I went to his Bank TV studios in Ocala, Florida where he runs the funk in conservatory wrestling school and did a live podcast in front of his countrymen students fans local people who just wanted to come hang out with us. We had a great time as you here we covered his career from his first wrestling match ever in the early sixties to working one of honor the giants last matches to tagging with his brother, Terry all their great matches against the Briscoes. We talk about Dory's travel to work in Japan with baba and Unoki eventually went to all Japan when the company split, of course, we're talking about the WB was like from working for Vince McMahon. As Hoss folk it's the fiftieth anniversary this week of Dory. Funk winning NWEA championship for the very first time way back in February of. Hundred sixty nine and here, we are bringing you Dory folk junior live talk is Jericho starting now. Guys. I love the fact that the dude here's been rested with thirty years and he's holding the ropes down. There have been in the ring before. They get figure it out a hell of an introduction, man. Jeez. Louise, can you just follow me around and say that wherever I go. Thank you. Okay. Shut up. All right. So. Here we are in Ocala Florida at bang arena. I guess you call it. And I've been doing talk is Jericho for about five years and one of the guests of wanted to have on for a long time as Dory. Funk junior. Yeah. Dory funk, right. Interrupt. Just a second. I'm proud to be here myself. But look at the superstar that we've got here. Chris jericho? He's a superstar Japan. He's a superstar in the United States of America. He's a musician. He's an artist he's a fabulous personality. And we are extremely proud to have you here on Bank TV and Ocala Florida. Yes. I appreciate it. Once again, you guys obviously see Dory quite a bit because you live in Ocala. But you have to stand the legendary status that Dory has all the different things that you've done. In fact, you're still wrestling. And I love the the addition of the bull whip. Now that you that you're using use it tonight. So using it in Japan, I'm feeling it's kind of name as the name. We'd percenter. Offer. So you're using whippersnapper. And it's I'm I'm visiting that you used to use this when you were a kid on the farm in Texas. That is true. What would you use a bullet for actually I would it wasn't bowl with? I had made a a whip out a clothesline. But actually what I do because I was cracked the whip and cut paper out of my neighbors mouth against. Yes. That's why I handled the win just something to do on a Saturday night or. How is even younger? I was like ten or twelve years old while. Yeah. Because you did you did you grow up actually on a farm in Morello flan Mirant. So it was a ranch then yes, it's outside of Merill. I'm Wagner, Texas. Beautiful place, fabulous duck and goose hunting. It was just a place that you can learn about life as you grew up. Now, your dad was the wrestling as well. My father's been wrestling since I was. He's been wrestling professional since I was five years old. So you grew up in the business. I grew up in. Yes, I had to get into Wrangham practice amateur wrestling when I was seven years old. And I I wanted to be all fishing, and my father would send kids after me to give me say come on down. We got a fractious wrestling amateur wrestling at the time at seven seven. Yes. Because that's how it was a lot more now. And we'll talk about this later, how the business it's a lot more accessible now a lot easier to kind of get into it. But when you're talking about coming in the business in the sixties, it was much more of a closed society and imagine getting into it, especially if you're father wasn't in. It was very difficult. He'll was it was different than it is today much different. And the one thing that affected my life is in w world champion is there were thirty separate. Territories each with thirty wrestlers each making a good living for their family. And we might think that is not much for a referee to go around and earn four hundred dollars a week. But if you put the inflation calculator on our referees in Amrullah, Texas were clearing two three thousand dollars. It's just the difference in value Hershey bar used to be a nickel. I just paid the puck thirty for her. She. But but, but when you're talking about getting into the business was it was it was a lot harder. Like, what was kind of the the the path that you had to go through to actually get started wrestling. It just depends on where you came from. But. The amyloid area, Texas he had to have some amateur wrestling background in. I've got a thank my father for insisting that I learned to wrestle as I went through high school. I was west Texas, a amateurism Teague, but that's a big amateur wrestling school. Correct. That's quite famous for for for Russell fixes. Yeah. This more famous for football from Canada. So there you go. I was famous for something. Yeah. West Texas was famous for football. We actually went down and played in the sun bowl, and we beat Ohio University fifteen to fourteen and my father was a promoter of wrestling. So he had a contract waiting for me when the aircraft landed back in Amarillo, and I signed contract to be a professional wrestler on the wheels of TWA for engineering. So it was kind of your your your destiny almost if you grow up with your dad is the promoter, and was did you want to do it or whatever you kind of more thinking about being a pro football player. I was thinking about pro football. But my father came me the way to become a professional wrestler my first year in the business, kind of sounds strange ironed sixteen thousand dollars doesn't sound like much at all. But that was making mantle sound celery. Wow. For the New York Yankees the same year nineteen sixty three you made sixteen thousand dollars in nineteen sixty three. Yes, that's huge. Then I mean, that's gotta be it doesn't sound. But it is. But like you said with the inflation calculator, and that's got to be five hundred thousand dollars four hundred around there. Yeah. Wow. So you're territories was the territory was that hot at the time. Not only the emerald territory. But thirty territories across the United States Canada. There were five territories in Canada. Right. You know, you earn? Exactly. Yes, stampede. Yeah. State peed. Wrestling, Mexico, Puerto Rico, Hawaii Australia through a lot of places to work in those days where you working on top in Amarillo. My father was a promoter. Typical right here. First year first year, I in the privilege of having the people the Newham that came in to work with me and Amrullah Texas Luther as that O'Connor Sonny Myers who I know. You'll know, but others may not it was real. It was a challenge. But at the same time, it was such an opportunity for John is another one, and what a group of guys to learn from out of those guys that you're talking about. I mean, those are some of the greatest of all time of a are ever. Yes. Right. Where they give you vice or were they willing to help you out a bit or where my father didn't have Karaj for cars. He had two car garages attached house, but it had a wrestling mat on the floor, and our cars, we didn't care where we park them. Wrestling practice in the garage, and he had wrestlers like Ruffy Silverstein Vern ganja, Bob geigo, those are really big names in amateur wrestling, and they came in and they trained with me they worked out with me, and I can still remember, you know. The lessons. They taught me. Bob geigo. He looked at me says I'm gonna tell you I'm gonna get your right lane. And then I'm gonna do it. Just made a move on bombed, ideally, grabbed my arm. He pulled it down at blocked with my leg. And he had my leg picked it up. And I was on the ground, but I had some great athletes. Great amateur wrestlers and great professional wrestlers to learn from especially in my first year. Do you? Remember your first match down Fargo. Yes, never forget it. Tell us about that. Were you nervous? I was a bit nervous. I had. An all American from west Texas university, Jerry, Logan. He was running back. He was my second. Dan Fargo Ed is brother for second the whole west Texas football team. Was on one side and the whole test Costa high? I'm interesting team was on the other side. And I was very very to tell the truth. Very nervous going somebody going up against somebody like down Fargo. And fortunately, I came out with win on a match, and it was just a start of career that opportunities for football. But I never looked back. I stayed with professional wrestling all the way, it didn't take long for Dory to become into be champion. And I wanna get into that story. I if you guys listening or sick and tired of paying high interest rates in credit cards, and you wanna consolidate your payments down to one payment at a lower rate than you. Gotta check out light stream. 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Explain the process of how you became the NBA champion and all the different polit political allies that you had to have to get it. How did I do spinning doll gene escape, and I knew it was going to happen when he tapped out. But I mean the opportunity to get there though. Because back in the days you had all the territories. That would have to kind of decide who they wanted to be in that position or who would get the chance to be in that position the chance. Right. Right. Right. But so are they having a meeting with my father was a member of the board of directors of national wrestling? And from from the time, I started he said, you really need to make the appearances in the major cities Saint Louis became frequent relief. It was a hotbed. There was a hot end for professional wrestling, Los Angeles was the Florida territory was in any Graham was featuring a lot of really great wrestlers down here in Florida. So my father saw that to that I traveled all those different places. Jim Crockett in North Carolina. Fabulous place to work, Nick gurus in Tennessee. And I'll tell you story by nNcholas little later. They're all these different places with groups of forty wrestlers making a good living. And in w world champion was the highest level. You can be at at that time. The all the guys all the territories when you became champion, then it was your responsibility that you said to go from place to place to place and work with the local whoever the top guy was in that territory if they were on like Johnny Valentine while McDaniel Billy Robinson. Really tremendous athletes having the opportunity to work with these guys. I just learned learned and learned as I went through and the other thing that you've got to know about being a champion, the important thing is that the next time you come back, you draw big house, and that's something that you've learned. And I know you and I. When things in different ways. The judgment of your work in the ring is the box office attraction. Yeah, he come. And you've done a fabulous job of that. And but that's the truth. Like, you said if you weren't drawing as the champion finds somebody would be a good thing. So you mentioned so many classic names from Waku to to to Valentine who are some of the guys that you learned from the most and had the best matches with out of that timeframe. I've learned a lot from Billy Robinson. The thing is specially learned is. Forms mass, right. And he was British and that's a British style. Wrestling moving the European uppercuts. The European Epoca? Yes. I learned from trying to learn from everybody wrestled. I went to Tennessee. I the opportunity was there for me. Everybody knew I was going to show up. So I showed up late. Nine o'clock for showing Tennessee one night, and I walked in address room. And I said whom I work with. And thrash looked at me and the promoter, and you said you're s. Whitey over there. Why do you call will? And I looked at Whitey call. Well, and he was about one hundred and seventy pounds. These guys gotta be ribbon me a market with. So I figured well. I can take the rib just as well as any anybody else. So I waited and I waited and time came to the ring I went through the ring not even knowing him, my heart. I was working with and why you call came walking. This guy him I thought that. But he he was a heck of a kid, and we worked return we came back. A month later, Andrew Bessie house. And there was this. What being champion was all about. What can you do for the promotion? What do you do for your opponent? And what can you do for the wrestling fans? And that's a lot of responsibility to like, you said to be to be the champion, and you go to Tennessee, for example. And it's what he called. Well, who might not be as good as you go to Florida and his Jack Brisco, but it's your job to make all the matches great, everyone responsibility. That's the responsibility. The reason I was there for four and a half years instead of a very short, right. They knew they count on each always deliver tomorrow, we always box office attraction the next time. When you come back. Let's talk about one of your most famous opponents as far as rivals goes, you mentioned Jack Brisco, and it's interesting when you watch fun Briscoe matches now in two thousand nineteen if you don't understand how wrestling works. You might watch and go. Wow. This is a long match, and there's not not that. There was a lot of action, but it's very slow paced. But they're also very genius put together. But you if you're like a wrestling fan who I don't know new Japan or Debbie now, you might watch one of those matches and not understand the brilliance of that I used to love to go in ring as in w champion incognito. Kind of just kind of slips down. Onto the rain. Get in a ring give my introduction. Take my jacket off put in the corner, and Jack Brisco is on the other side. And just take my time walk around and rang with him a little bit tie up with him. He was fabulous with the armed dragged one arm dragging pops people, but you'd try to I'd try to even quiet them down. So the match with Jack Brisco was like a dream. He was he was so good. The only thing he had a he had a little thing that. His hair was starting to fall out. And if I ever if I ever grabbed him and messed up his air. Dammit, folks, stay out of my hair. You didn't have to worry about it. Do that to, you know, not not was gone. Anyhow. Here was gone when you started. But that's interesting. Still got these. When I call them too. So how you guys were going long periods of time. Do you Jack Brisco not just for sixty minutes? But it would be like seventy minutes eighty minutes. We did we did ninety minutes. My gosh. What is what's the cycle? I've never rustled ninety minutes. I mean, maybe forty five at one point. But what's the psychology for that? How do you keep the people involved in a sixty minute eighty minute ninety minute match to believe in what they're seeing? Some people call it suspension suspension of disbelief. But for that moment for that time that they're there. Those people are in. It was the NWEA world championship that we had to work with to make people believe in what we were doing. The belt meant so much. The world champion hate to say this made so much money that there was so much attraction to the NWEA world heavyweight championship that the people the wrestling fans for the moment for the time. Actually believed in what we were doing. And sometimes I believe in what we were doing and sometimes I know Jacqueline, especially after I must have there. Or stiff them with a European. But then you just hit on some of this very interesting because it's not like this. Now how much how much the belt meant true, right? And how much money you would make the champion. So I'm sure when you become the enemy champion everybody's gunning to take you out of that position. Vets the story and all thirty. Territories. Everybody wants that chance. Right. Yes. Was there a lot of politics at that point in time with other people's father's a saying von Erich trying to get his son not as long as a box office sales were there. Gotcha. There was not. There was family pressure on me. It was very very difficult. But fortunately for for what I was able to make I've got three kids right now that are through teachers one is doctor and all came through education and things through professional wrestling. Right. That I was able to provide them the opportunity how many days a year where you on the road as champion three hundred matches at least maybe more and something that a lot of people don't realize this day and age is that two of the biggest days of the year for wrestling back then. Yes, Christmas entrance, right? Family times or in those parts of the year. No, I didn't. And that's one of the things that really caused me family. Trouble is having to be away on Christmas. And. Just become became more than I can handle a lot of guys like flared. We'll talk about that Brunel head Brunel on his Jericho. He said the same shirt just everybody wants this opportunity. Then once you get it you like, I can't take it anymore. You know, where you were you ready when it was when you lost the title, nor my ex wife's that I can't take it anymore. And suddenly you lost. Very strange, and you did you lose it to Harley was early that you lost the two. Yes. Gotcha. And. Would you have a rematch with him? Once you lose a series of matches tell us that you lost the time. Title. There's a pickup truck accident that's involved in this two story tell tell so that there's a little bit of controversy about that. Isn't why was scheduled to wrestle Jack Brisco and I had a pickup truck accident. We were moving cattle from across my father's rants down to the creep through it chasing kennel. And I ran a pickup truck right off into the creek and into the steering wheel messed up. My forehand missed of my neck. So I had to cancel out of a match with Jack Brisco, and they were scheduled for Houston, Texas, and nobody knew I was going to. Wind up in a car accident. But I did so that caused problems that I didn't show up in Houston to face, Jack, Brisco and everything was held up. I was unable to wrestling till I went back into rain, and that was scheduled highly rice. And that's where drops the end of the world heavyweight championship to Harley were there. People behind the scenes, we're talking about thirty promoters, thirty companies thought that you worked the drug accidents. Title. You know? I can't change those thirty promoters minds. Joel gone now and everything is new and everything is different. I've had the privilege of traveling and working like you have in Japan and head. I want wanna be sound like I'm bragging, but had huge success success as you know, yourself to. But it was a matter of figuring out a working style that the Japanese people believed in and it was very very hard. Because you go in the ring, and you do your best, and you know, there's total silence. I want you have to realize what I realized right here. The silence is because people are listening. Isn't that because they're disinterested? Yeah. When I go to Japan, and you go to the ring remember thinking my first one ninety one and thinking like do I sunk? Yes. This must be terrible. But then you realize rare watching studying listening appreciating what you're doing there watching every move. And I realized that some of the people I were there as professional wrestlers on the same tours didn't realize and quieter, the people got the more than parents more. They'd rake your is the more they'd reach a bull out again. And they only got total. Silence. LA? Have you have to understand it? We'll be talking about this earlier about how many times you've been to Japan. How many times do you think you've gone Haiti times, which is so incredible? Because I'm sixty and someone said to me, do you think you're the guy is the most trips that have any Dory's? Maybe Hanson butcher. But to go that many times, you gotta be good. You know, because like you said those fans they're not going to settle for a sub par performer worker some they don't believe in. They're not going to settle for that anywhere. These old right? Right to get invited back to Japan that many times over would you first tour that you did Japan sixty nine that's fifty years ago. Fifty years of Japan. Can remember the matches was and Joni Lee Nokia, very famous wrestler over there giant baba? Seiji second hoochie. Maybe I know, you know. Yeah. Sure. When you first learned sixty nine what was the company called was. It was Jeff Han pro wrestling and Inoki and baba fame company. Yes. You go there in each had an individual television station. He no key at his television station. Bob ahead. His television station, you're sitting in the dressing room. Yes. Individual contracts. Yes. And somebody who coming over and say, what can you do for Nokia, you don't whom he'd run out? And then someone else had come over and say, what can you do for Mr. baba? And as you went into ring you had to balance your performance with those two guys because they were both superstars both had their own television contracts. There was a it was a pressurized situation. You mean, they could no he's matches. We're on one station. Yes. Matches wanna? Yes. Really? Yes. So you worked with both of them both of them on the same tour tight t mash with both of them while this opens up. A whole other. So tell me the differences was who was the style that he would work with baba any gnocchi who do you think was battered like comparisons? There's no way you're going to get me to say who's been don't say that sorry, let's rephrase Japan. The differences in working because baba and an Okie wash huge huge stars. But different different. Yes. He no. He was wrestling action. The wrestling fans loved it baba was strong style. In wrestling fans. Loved him. They were split right down the middle. But you had to be prepared to the baba was going to hit you beg chops. The big foot. He no he was gonna scoop your legs and trying to take you off your feet. Working shooting. You know, saying goes he goes together. And that's that was very much Japanese style. Even when I first went there like I said in the early nineties, it was a war shoot you were fighting. You're fighting the fight for what you gone, you're right. It's changed then it'd be like, okay. Suplex me and my handle books you and your head. But you face, and that's basically what it was like so doors gonna tell us it was like travelling back and forth Japan in nineteen sixty nine. I mean, propeller planes and how they even do that. He's also going to what it was like working one of the last matches with Andre the giant before he passed away. But I I wouldn't be doing this show at all if not for one of talk, Jerry awesome sponsors O'Reilly auto parts. Now when it gets cold out there. Your vehicle needs some extra tension. O'reilly auto parts, everything you need to keep your vehicle toasty warm. From choosing the right antifreeze for your engine or replace in your windshield. Wiper blades O'Reilly is going to help you get your car or truck in fighting shape for the cold weather ahead. O'reilly auto parts, better parts, better prices every day. Question about Japan in nineteen sixty nine now, there's lay down seeds and movies and all this. How what was the leg on a plane fifty hours back then we have stop in Hawaii. We couldn't really couldn't go director, okay from Japan. But I did I enjoyed that too. Because I would book my flight, so I could fly from Japan to Hawaii get there in the morning, go out to the beach sun and surf come back in the same Renna cart. Go to the airport jump on the flight and complete my trip back home to the United States layover. Hawaii was a nice layover. Yeah. Japan was also very much a tag team company a lot of ways, especially when you went to all Japan. Let me ask you this. What was your decision that when when Japan promotions split oak, he starts new Japan? Baba starts all Japan. How did you decide which company to go to? My father became Booker for all Japan, and there were several people in running, but the military joy had received several Japanese wrestlers from all Japan, and it was like Fritz fun fun going to get the Booker or joint funk senior. And it was very very close presents were exchanged for my father funk senior got the nod for booking for all Japan. Pro wrestling. Boogieing the foreigners book the entire territory of foreigners forms has obviously becomes a very Amarillo. Heavy. Yes. Yes. It did. Yes. Who's going over there? Besides you at the time, Paul Ramose, Vinnie hud's. We didn't try to restrict it to Amrullah territory seeing restaurants from all over the United States. Eventually, Jack Brisco, actually, I wrestle Jack Brisco in Japan. It was the emerald Charito wrestlers when you started doing like the tactic tournaments that sort of thing always butcher and handsome where the big team, and it was the free student. San handsome, the first time to stand has. Guy here. But before he before he made the trip he had a little run in with my brother, Terry funk, pushed him in the swimming pool, then went through hotel room. His STAN Hansen was scheduled to go to Japan we had lined him up. And he was banging on Terry's door Jerry wouldn't open the door. So staying kicked him glass door on the bottom. And when he brought his foot out it slices accused, Tim mole. Oh. Oh, so stand in have the opportunity to go to Japan for year because achilles tendon is. I don't think it cut it all the way into. But it did today did the damage the kept stand out for year. You mentioned your brother, Terry innocence. You guys are famous tag team knowledge opinion, the only brother two brothers that had the enemy championship. You guys were growing up you fight each other law, but the relationship as kids I was the boss. Older, right? Three three three and a half that might as well be a lifetime. When you're fifteen and twelve right? Oh, yeah. Or nine and six. Got to be weighed. He was seventeen I was twenty. I kind of back off. But what a great combination. Did you joy tagging with with your brother? I enjoyed because I was able to work totally different style. He did. And he had the same freedom. He could be the wild and crazy guy that he is in the people responded to what I had to sell them. And they responded to what he had to sell them. And he was a great tag team partner, and we took care of each other. That's a great point. Because there is, you know, do different folks your brothers different much more technical hard hitting terriers a little bit more wacky. But it would have been a bit boring. When it if absolute both of us were doing the same thing. Right, right. Totally totally. I think that's one of the reasons why both the were. So did so well the business because you did have completely different styles. So when they put when they give Terry the opportunity to be the champion. It's not like, it's dorey junior junior. It's a completely different guy. Totally different. Yeah. Yes. Were you proud of him when he became the champ. I was part of him becoming. How story actually I was on the board of directors? Theme here. Those dan. This was after my father passed away. And I became a member of the board of directors and Fritz von Erich was president. There was a lot of influence going for Harley race, and I made a talk from my brother, Jerry funk, and there was something that maybe eat for a long time. But I made the comment to board of directors that they should know if they voted for funk, they would have somebody with a college education as in w world champion that was hard to say it was hard to do. But it made the change. They wanted to have the prestige of having a guy who is not a leap Braun, but also had some brains. Yes, interesting. I still love this concept of like these secret now didn't say my brother, graduated from Kyle. He bought the on the street. Everybody else. But I said he had a college education not that. He graduated. Classic wrestling, right. Classic almost told the truth. Did you ever have a match against Terry? I did actually it's on. Video and. Orissa Lynn for fifty fifty five minutes and finally caught him with a schoolboy roll up onto three I won the only match my brain, right? That. I'm still paying for. Older brother again. Was that in Japan? No. He was over here. Who are some of the teams that you love working with in all Japan, Jumbotron has a single and he in Baba's tag team. They were really good Hanson Brody. How was it working with them? Truth. Watch out for the clues one. For me. Because bruiser wasn't bruiser wasn't easy. He wasn't. He wasn't easy either. Yeah. Yeah. Proser Brody and STAN Hansen. Where's tough as you get to work with his fight for your life and stay in there? And then that's their style. Though. You have lesser style. Yes. Expect it. Yes. What about like when you're outside of the ring when you guys are hanging out doing these three week four week six week tours was guys some good times having some drinks, and that sort of thing. Yeah. I could drink in twenty years ago because of that. No. Oh, heck I used to get up Senate Marty if she would walk in liquor store and come out with any less than three bottles of wine. It's a good night out. But we're we're Japanese people kinda scared. You guys when you're walking down the street of Tokyo at that point in time. Hi, I found the people very good to mingle with and part of it's because I've worked very hard to pick up their language, and I can speak from rang in Japanese, and I have slogans that I like to use near the progress fan mean Osama and not to know to Kaixi and won't go to me. We got design mice. Which means thank you all in a means of here to thank you all the wrestling fans for the warm support that they give. But when I first started going over there. I went one year ninety five I went every month. And I was really. Yeah. And I was not being able to to communicate and it was very hard to learn Japanese. So I learned how to read it. We're going to congress and blot of Japanese people said, that's Dory. Funk. Did you like Dory? Funk you Abril. Yeah. You respect the culture and people I think really appreciate when you try as a foreign guys again language to learn to learn to speak in but to read it was a little bit easier for me because if you talk about the characters are similar to our letters just one or two lines rather than those intricate art form that they have and five language. Yeah. Yeah. I've languages right here. Agawam catcher count on. Kanji kanji. Yeah. And the other one. Difficult language, the fans appreciate that. They'll like they said the fact that you could speak or read a little bit of it. They really knew you were going the extra mile do very much. Let's talk about where I drained up in Calgary with Stu hard. I know I was going to tell you, please. I haven't heard the reputation of to heart. The dungeon down below in the basement where he took all wrestlers stretched out me cross, face them and bloodied. Him up. Those were the rumors that came out of Calgary. So sure enough. I was champion. I worked through his Taylor joy was invited to his house dinner beautiful dinner long long table. He has twelve children. And we're all sitting at the table, and then dinners over and the oldest kid came to me and said. Would you like to come down to the basement and train? I know I deal what? But I gotta say I went down to the basement with them trained with the kids. Talk to him worked with him. Just like I do here. We'll talk cans and was treated with total respect he was a big fan years, Stu appreciated the guys the shoot background, right? Who liked guys can wrestle? Yeah. So he would do every year the stampede which is July the stampedes big festival affair that comes to Calgary. And it'd be the big stampede wrestling show, and he would bring in the champion, which I remember seeing pictures of you in the parade and all that sort of stuff. Sure. Yeah. Did you work with Doug gun, Stu Hart? Dillard, again hit heard before ever got to Calgary. You know? He always breaks down his truck in the parade and the whole parade stops. I never heard that. I just heard it right now. But does this apprise me talking about the big parade? Everyone's driving their floats. And yes, we rake down his truck. Well, Billy Robinson. I were in a convertible behind Stu Hart's truck. And sure enough we got halfway through the parade and the tire tread came started coming off the tires and it snapped popped off in the middle of the parade. The whole truck turned sideways block the whole parade. Fifteen minutes. Billy robinson. I got out of the car and walked the rest of it. You've heard about student parade for sure. Well, yeah, I've said I've seen pictures of you in the parade. I didn't know that the cargo damn that is because he had fifteen Cadillacs in the front part front porch of his house and the yard some of them worked some more. I'm doing a piece of this one part of that one sticking together and go for like, I saw Stu Hart shut the door on the trunk lock himself on our on our Cadillac locked himself in and had to roll down window and come out of the Cadillac fi first cowboy boots for. Did you work getting this wrong? Did you work with Andrei? It's some point in Calgary or that didn't happen. Maybe Andrea not in Kilger. Did you work with Audrey though? Oh, yes. I've worked rebound. Let's talk about that. I'm very close to having had Andrey's last man's really which was six main tag. And we were in Japan and hundred had one more Mets scheduled, but was the non-televised mansion. And then he left and went home and his health was not good at that time. Japanese young boys would gather around threat slurs young boys wrestlers, and and they actually had to help him to rain at the time. And it was very sad situation to watch Andrey at the end of his career in because early in his career. He was as tough as anybody in walk into rang with. But we have that last match was a six man tag. He had one more match went home. It was passed away. That was did you work with them earlier in his career? Yes. What's what's the psychology? How do you work with Andre the giant in nineteen eighty two when he's at his peak? He making a million dollars. Yeah. You just run and bounce off type thing or. You know, I keep them my personality. I tried to do different. Wrestling and strong things. He can do you can have a wrestling match with Andrei at least in those days, you could and that's stuck with the wrestling. Just because it's my style. I can't change my style and become Andre the giant or become Jovi. Gimmick man at falls all over. So I gotta stay with wrestling. That's interesting something that you'd mentioned that you have your training center here, and you've been training wrestlers for years and psychology people ask me, how do you? How do you learn psychology, and how it's very hard to learn it you have to just get it. It's got to be natural. Germs on one day. But how do you do that? How do you tell students or people that ask what's what's your theory on the psychology of wrestling? I talked to him in turn blue. Would you tell them these? You gotta listen to the people. First comes the wrestling fans. And sometimes they're quiet, but you still gotta listen to them are they buying what you're doing. And you can't just go back and forth back and forth and up and down and fly. You lose interest in vans. You've gotta make each move count. We'd been doing drills with Brian couple of days ago. But it can't be a headlock armlock a schoolboy another headlock fireman's carry an arm drag people will get disinterested. It's gotta have a story to it. And that's the hard part about learning professional wrestling fans have got to become involved. They've got to pick a side. So how this guys had a rough time. I want to see him do something. Is not not an easy thing. To learn. It's probably easy as we've been working on these two technical moves or easy. Anybody? Can learn anybody can do them. Yeah. Most anybody can develop a few spectacular moves that really look good. And all our kids have been with us have been able to do that. But putting together in a logical point of view for the wrestling fans. Takes a long time. You have to be able to connect with the fans. Correct. That's the most important thing that I find that could be. A different than I do the different styles. Right styles. Yes. Yeah. You doing the same thing. But it's totally different. The different flavors. Right. Yeah. Who different? It's funny though. I saw you take a Frankenstein or off the top rope from rob van dam in about nineteen ninety five or six. So you're probably sixty years old sixty two years old. You still understood that to stay relevant you needed to do some of these figures the other way, I gave rough damn I think I gave him a Frankenstein. The best part is your I know any you had didn't even come up. I remember the man I know what he did. He hook the top row his feet. I pulled him. And I pulled pulled hard back into the middle of the ring. I gave him the Franken searching, you did give them the Frankenstein a rice. Yes, I knew there was something like that. Yes. That's what the hell. Are you doing give it a Frankenstein or for? This is true. I think you saw Terry the moon soul and said I got up do one up. Van Damme's words. Would you say if you wanna use the move to right? Trump me on the head. Did you ever watch drug RV d- what we've jobs lands on his head all the time? Rubber neck? I wanted to ask you something. I vaguely remember this. So I did three seconds of research three. And I remember this. So when I first started watching WWE, which was eighty six and you were there, you were Hoss funk. Right. That's right. So yes, how did you end up working for Vince? And what was that like at that point in time? To to work prevents game. It was a phone call from my brother and Vince is going to call. You Terry was already here and the opportunity came to go up and shoot an angle between my brother and myself. And I don't remember who the other two guys were. But. We did got over. It was successful. And my brother headed -mergency at home and had to leave. And with that I had to have a partner in. Fig Jimmy Jack funk who was Jesse Jesse bar, right? Yes. Sandy bars. Son. Why did let me go back a little bit? First of all, why did Vince change your name to Hoss? Funk wasn't really changing my name. Because when I was playing football called me Haas. Gotcha. Why would I think I think for? Publicity that have a different name. Lines. Name was. Football players used to call me Hoss whose natural. What did you think we mentioned earlier about the thirty different promotions? And all the different places, you could go what did you think? When Vince started taking over each in teach territory, try and go completely national. I believed in the territories. And it wasn't aware of how strong national television could be in. Vince, put out a great deal and the local territories Vince was so strong with the television. The network than smaller shows can compete with him. And. I used to Crockett's territory, I'm relatively Florida territory, the venue that we did our television in was different than this. No bigger. But the video the Vince McMahon did his television shows in. Where you mum this thousands and thousands of people and network television. So Vince is network overran everything. Now, new promotions are coming up. You know, new promotions are getting competitive television time because there's a flood of television stations out there. Now that wasn't the case when Vince was strongest when Vince McMahon was at a strong as he had control of the television address, the United States of America. For them. More and more people are getting television than goes nationwide. Japan. Same thing in this country. Right, right. Your company that you just signed w probably going going across the nation. Strong philip. It's interesting. We were talking with the territories now, it's like the territories are coming back on national TV. Now that everybody can get television. Right, Jerry, Troy's they're coming back. That's what I mean. Because you've got Debbie. You got eight w got new Japan, you got impact yet ring of honor. Emily w all have national television all different wrestling companies, and they all need talent. Because there's only a certain amount of guys out there. That is true. There are only a certain amount of guys. And there are only a certain amount of guys that can really get the job done. And we're proud of our kids that we have here. Some of them are on vacation some of them you sane, but they can really get the job, and we are a training facility and in the market to train wrestlers, but you have quite a pedigree of guys that you trained because I know you used to do the funky DOJ Ohs up in Stafford is what events. Yes. So tell some of the guys that you trained up their test Christian. Marquette Mary who we may be saying Mark Henry coming up soon. Who was Kurt angle angle while edge. Lita? Mickey james. I mean, that's those are all super superstars. They all came through. Chris hero. Wow. They all came through the W w he funky. Don't Joe when you saw Kurt angle when he first started because he was a natural right off the bat. And also, obviously knew a little about amateur wrestling as well one of frigging gold medal. What did you think of him as a protege right off the bat? First thing told him, I said card, you can do anything in professional wrestling that you did name wrestling feel good feel comfortable just do it in a working way. In Kerber is do he he became a fabulous professional wrestler and threes. Why is he didn't give up? What are you? What what he was real? He was able to incorporate that into his wrestling. Right. I wanna talk a little bit some of the other NBA champions in your thoughts on them. Obviously Rick flair one of the greatest box office. Didn't work hard to save money. No, he didn't. I mean, he would sit you down by all drinks. He told me to go to Saint Louis and get a five thousand dollars payoff spend ten thousand we would. We would. But the box office draw like you said box office attraction. Yes as world champion. Knew how to create an opponent every time out which is like we said that your job is the champion venture John's, but he he had so much character to you know, his personality his personality was phenomenal. Oh. Clears your throat. I thought you're gonna cough or something. But obviously. Compare flare did you ever work with him quite a few times? Yes, did you? What was the kind of? It's interesting because flourish such a bump and feed guy flooring. Slow him down. Sure, he love that. So I know we talked about how many times you went to Japan, you still go to Japan and still wrestle seventy seven years old seventy six seventy seven seventy seven. So I mean that is that's insane. Seventy seven years old, and I saw the match, and it's you're still out there. You got the bull whip reinvented your outfit, and all that sort of thing. Obviously, you still love performing even at this stage year life performing it's been my life, and I'd like to thank a couple of people from Japan that have been really good. France and wrestlers in champions or someone nation Merv, his our Bank TV world champion, and he'd be fans that belt over Japan on regular basis and Yoshihiko Sumi is the Bank TV general manager. And he's he's another person that we depend on a lot in Japan, not only for business reasons, but for personal and fun reasons and doing things together and somebody else and you run shows here at the the bang arenas at close the bang. Thank TV activity. Sounds and you run shows out of here. Yes. Yeah. With your students. Yes. And you bring in other guys or. Yeah. We're bringing at times we bring in guys. To have used them. Deal. For your last night's band. Yeah. A little loose with my kids. Grazie one. Took a piledriver on the floor and gave me a nice little ball spot. There. But we wind out your door. I wanna ask you a little bit about who are some of your favorite opponents when I say comes to mind right away. That's the one I Jerry Briscoe. Let's not global Jerry Jones a little bit underrated. Because people mostly saw him as one of the stooges with Pat in the attitude era, and obviously we don't want to be all that's right, especially when he gets on that firewater. I'll tell them about base the base, but he talked to today data. Trying to get him on my show to he he lives right down the street from it. I always take out his garbage. And I always try and swerve out of me every time. He gives me the finger his idea who I am. It's the same car every time, Jerry. I haven't changed. But people the because because Jack was so. Champions. So great people forget that Jerry was very good as well. Food. We love Jerry Briscoe. I've worked in big matches with him. In Saint Louis, especially and it was a pleasure. Did you have a lot of matches with the Briscoes versus the funks? Yes. Yeah. Lots of that must have been great. So who else remember one's principles versus the folks and wrestling fame, tried to get it in the rain. Breath fills myself on the mat wrestling, and we didn't see him. So the opportunity was there for come in. And just get to us. My brother, Jerry. I'm coming. Raymond. Cross up project. What everywhere. I always wondered what the mindset was for person to try and get into the ring not a good idea. Yeah. Oh, yeah. I was compared to you if you through like a little fish into a pond filled with sharks. It's just like. So we're talking about Jack, Jerry other favorite opponents. Valentine wa who? Wow. Yeah. Son will join Valentine too because after the plane crash but tell what he was like before the plane crash. He uses worker is there is. In professional wrestling. You could not knock him off his feet. No matter. What you did what you did to stand there staring you right in the face. The fans believed in one hundred percent they believed tough sold him one hour match in Houston, Texas, the end of the match I had him nearly beat so ask John Valentine and the referee for five more minutes. So in the five of the read five minute overtime. I started out on top. But he turned it around. It was kicking my ass at the overtime. So he asked the referee for five more minutes for looked at him. I said hell thinking. Journ? Come back in the ninety minutes. Ninety more minutes getting your ass kicked. And we were talking about some of the Japanese guys that you worked did you? Did you have a lot to do with ten room and all Japan? I was really so he was my boss because I he was the guy who is your wer. That's why wasn't nineties when I went every month unless stuff great worker, a great guy. Yeah. Because he came from sumo, correct? He came from so long and he gave him. Baba's over here to train with me. For professional, wrestling and. That was something that was back in the annual days. But he he did a fabulous job. Yeah. And it was a huge huge star Japan as well. He has. Yeah. Wow. Last last question for you might not be an easy one. You can pick a couple. What's what's your favorite match that you ever had or a few of them that stand out the one with Johnny Valentine was cool the one you just said, we're not just saying in Houston and Houston. And turn around want John's that I'll just keep the belt. Yeah. Three. If I were to pick out three of them would be whatever you Valentine while who Jack Brisco and Donadoni gnocchi giant baba Seiji Sakaguchi. Some of these herb. And that was the last night. We're only two months ago and and a blast with if I had five more minutes. Are you going to are you going to Russell again when's your next match booking kid? Okay. February eleven twelve but the idea is to still continue wrestling, you're gonna go until you can't go. Is that kind of your mindset? Do my best to keep myself. Jake's Cam, go. Lastly, I was well wrestlemainia to you worked that card. What did you feel of being a part of wrestlemainia? Did you think you would be as big as the Super Bowl eventually as an old school guy who came in and sixty nine here, you're eighty six or eighty seven at wrestlemainia? What did you think of that? My opinion of Vince McMahon. What are you? Hasn't changed? He's fabulous promoter. He's a genius. Stephanie is genius. Also, and may work their tail off to make that a great carriage. It's not just wow man is not just America. It's all around the world and oil wrestling federation, his proper name. They really are. We'll tell you. It's it's very inspiring to be here to talk to you. Then like, I said a huge honor for me. And also still see you in the ring still training still doing what you love to do. That's what it's all about man, you know, seventy seven forty seven eighty seven. You know, you never know. I've a phrase I like to say the Japanese breslin vans. Never quit. Good aside. Thank you. Thank dory. Funk. Fifty years of being the NBA champion such a great experience. Going to a call of Florida to the Bank TV studios through the live podcast. Live talk is Jericho. Dory is still running the funk in conservatory wrestling school. And if you wanna learn from one of the best check out the school at Dory slash funk dot com. That's dorey hyphen funk dot com. Check it out now get trained by one of the greatest champions in wrestling history. All right. He's a huge success in wrestling. And on Friday, I got a huge success just in general Todd Wagner, who is a bona fide multi billionaire. That's right. He owns twenty nine twenty nine hundred payment with Mark Cuban has a stake in the Dallas Mavericks stake of access TV. 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A Tribute To Harley Race

The Jim Ross Report

00:00 sec | 1 year ago

A Tribute To Harley Race

"Hey it's conrad thompson. You're listening to grill in a are with the voice of professional wrestling the one and only jim ross jim and how are you man. I'm dead connie very good. That's good to hear your voice and <hes> good to be here. All the folks again appreciate their support and subscribing to our program for free because as you didn't get your money's worth but we're glad you're with us <hes> interesting show today kinda glad we're doing this hardy race thing today a instead of trying to trying to make sure something last week and it also gave me time to reflect a little bit about that and i'll just tell you conrad and i don't mind being a wimp here but i am. I am the last two or three years my perception of death. I got where i just going to the funerals of <hes> you know i like celebrating life by getting past the hurt in cryan and moving on 'cause most everybody. I know this diet harley would not want that but nonetheless i think a week apart is a good thing for me and i'm glad that we're gonna talk about that today. On another the things absolutely we should mention of course last week and for the last several weeks we've promoted today would be all about sable but we got quite the curveball last week when we lost the king being a professional wrestling the one and only harley race and we felt lucky it was fitting that we go ahead and celebrate his memory today always circle back it to <hes> save another time so if you're disappointed that we're not covering sable. Stay tuned. We'll get there but we felt like it was most appropriate to do today and before we get into that i guess jim we should probably start the show out sending our heartfelt condolences and it seems like a cliche these days when we say thoughts and prayers but a couple of american tragedies happened over the weekend as they started unfold sort of one after another it felt like something out of a movie so if you were one of the lives affected by those mass shootings false and prayers aren't enough but i don't know what to say right now jim. I'm sorta in shocked at this continues to happen. Yes it's a something has to change is very frustrating. I wanna let you know not that it matters but behind the scenes working with a w. on the star cast front come up with some fundraising opportunities do what we can <hes> for the victims of those unbelievable. Mass shooting happened this past weekend and you know i'm. I'm sort of out of words about what to say here jim. I just think we we set our piece. Some people are listening. Folks apologize a political overtone. It's it's an extraordinary week obviously in our country and for those of you they are listening to our show outside the united states borders. I'm embarrassed for us because we must look like pure idiots embarrassing so we have to change the a a lot of things and again. I wish i had the damn solutions. The one solution would be to get the dims republicans together and agree on something for for god's sakes and get off this god damn right side left side. You know all this. I hate it. I turned me against politics altogether analysts something like this happens again that married us of responding to conrad. I don't pretend to think ever talk about the politicians of america erica again because they aren't embarrassment case close earning well. Somebody who was an embarrassment to their profession is the late great harley race. I remained a few weeks back. Harley wasn't in the best to help it was really going through a tough patch and unfortunately we lost him on august. I and we're delighted that you guys for joining us today to celebrate his life and memory and of course this weekend <hes> they're going to have a public celebration of life his memorial service right there missouri and he's one of the all-time great. You know a really really profound tweet when you got the news and he. He said he never met anybody. He respected more in this industry than harley race. When did you first meet him nine thousand nine hundred seventy seven. I was working for legal and mcgurk <hes> mcgurk in his partner cowboy bill watts or having a timeout shall we say and leroy was having a very difficult time getting talent to come in when the talent wanted to come in that area <hes> the part of the territory that watt scott was the lower end because we called it <hes> louisiana mississippi houston and and so we we <hes> <hes> trying to do my part here we discreet mcgurk was hurting and he needed a house and so he booked hari to spend the title ended up gay title i guess dory funk junior and <hes> that was going to be in the tulsa fairgrounds pavilion of believe in nineteen seventy seven. I have been in the business or less three years. I was <hes> how would i be in twenty five and so i started re. I did a lot of things but one of the things that was fun was referee act we were not because we actually had rules and you could actually be a factor to match in a good way and not just a an unnamed on who you are anymore. <hes> nee referee so so <hes> in this match and they're going to go down broadway our draw sixty minutes through as they say so i go in the locker room and and they had this little these locker rooms had like little sev- locker rooms and one of the smaller roost door was shut. I walk in and the smoke bellows <music> out of it. 'cause it was a small room. Though menthylatim in harley was freight train. Those marlboros was and it was it's it's like walking into a pool hall which i had done a lot of times my own apu all of it i i i. I was so thrilled man. This is cool. It's like watching batting pre watching batting practice with mickey mantle roger marriage sixty one yankees. There's there's there's race. Only god and i don't see hardly through them to have some good tapes and magazines. He didn't work the territory where he worked for bill but the bill <hes> bill komo never remember the end of u._a. Another story for another time and then but he got into town and got flair there all the time and then <hes> because the percentage percentage that the you had to pay the alliance for using the champion was obviously based on ticket sales and when cowboy brought flair for example <hes>. We drew money 'cause he'd he'd load the car up have made a big deal. I believe they program or someone at work. Their ass off sieff. Get an opportunity to fight for the end of your championship ship. It was a big deal so anyway race and and and dory are going to have this match is my first main event ever and i've been refereeing off for a couple of years but basically opening matches <hes> all the all the heavy duty lifting was given to another refereed at experience which i got <hes> so i go in the room and knock on the door go in the room and introduce myself to mr race and mr funk and <hes> harley succulent marlboro doors sitting in a corner coming to the days of the smoky got him or what but he he or or maybe just tired look halfway asleep relaxed. Shall we say and i already said how do you count. Can't you can't so. I got down on the floor. Accounted river not got an affordable. Stop me or something. I didn't know so i got on florida county one two three two. You can't that way every time. Yes sir good and he says to me remember. If you don't see me cheat. You can't break it. If you don't cmih cheat you can't break it so they could utilize the referee as an asset mismatch so i do my count aw us all done and the hardy lots of smoke and i'll take my lead. I think i had a couple more manchester. Call that night and then of course the the main event match so i was here's here's a here's a here's a lot of conrad you'd run on thinking about every time there's a false finish going down account. I count the same way every single time because these vicious or can't kicking out at two and a half and i didn't want to be the black ball referee that was known as the the the nike fast counted harley effort the title beco- junior i've been i felt in my own mind. I perceive that would be blackball for the business so the horrible the red sox can <unk> black socks or louis so i was nervous as horn church and so here's the last part of the story is i love this whole experience. I never heard these two guys say a word each the whole sixty minute match they go out and i remember. I can't remember what exactly what it was but they like four examples of a master going to have well. What are you ready to leave right on leaving thought because i was spending the shit in i loved it. What do you want to do. They knew their broadway so they won't saint louis. Broadway can't city broadway the amarillo broadway rodway the houston br they had all these ventures remembered that were good and they're all broadway's so hard it costs us hardly was not going to lose junior had it gave junior discretional figured out what match you want to do. They're all great. They named a town hall. I had no idea what they're gonna do but it's all going in in the same way time never draw but man oh man conrad they had a hell of a match an amazing match that <hes> i just couldn't believe they did that match on feel instincts and not on but they weren't the ring all afternoon like a lot of guys today. Memorize are going through their match memorizing their spots which i found it'd be embarrassing but needless to say that's the way of the world nowadays but that's the first time i met hardy i met him. I rephrase interview title match and it was an amazing experience but one was wrought with the pressure well and there's an interesting story about how he first won the world title that maybe we'll have a guest. Tell l. a. sometime here on the show. I guess we should mention harley was born april eleventh nineteen forty-three right there in missouri and <hes> as a young child he had polio which is not something to hear about these days anymore but <hes> while the time he was fourteen he i saw television wrestling and told his family that's what he wanted to do. And of course that didn't seem like a very lucrative profession so the family members weren't exactly thrilled with this idea and there is a story about harley in high school where he got into a fight with a classmate that led to the principal kneeing harley in the back of the head trying to break up the fight and of course harley attacked him and and as a result harley was expelled from school. He's already like six one and two twenty five so he decides you know what i'm really going to give this a go at professional national wrestling and right before sixteenth birthday he starts on the wrestling business and back then man wrestling was all about paying your dues and you've talked about this for a long time jim where you were the driver for roy mcgurk leroy was blind and that meant you sorta ahead to be as helper and handler and take care of him in order for him and show him where the food was awesome. Just keep him on the right track well. He had to do that for a very large man named happy humphrey and he was his driver and his handler and <hes> he was paying his dues. The old fashioned way was not oh can you imagine folks being a teenager just off the farm in rural missouri getting kicked out of school in for a lot of families in those hard press hardscrabble times getting your children and education was almost the greatest thing you could ever do because it gave them a chance to have a better life than you. They had skills said working in a factory or whatever they had specific civic skills that they could utilize but he drove his happy. Helpers was over six hundred pounds and of course publicity says eight hundred. I don't think it was eight hundred pounds but he certainly was over five easy easier five. He was morbidly obese and that may be an understatement but think about this when you're morbidly obese such as a happy humphrey was your harley had to wipe up his ass harley had to clean happy humphrey after he could find a commode that was strong enough to hold him take a good number two. I think you wrote about it in his book where he said that he would actually have to wash him and he would you know sadly the guy would lay down and he would use a mop on him with a garden hose and this is how he broke into the wrestling business and of course when you're in the wrestling business in those days bush like these days there's lots of driving involved and unfortunately he was in a car accident and his wife at the time vivian is with him and they don't have been married for about a month and in this car accident. She does just a month into their marriage mentioned. He's rushed to the hospital and allegedly the promoter he was working for came to visit harley and the doctors informed the promoter that they were planning to have to amputate him from the knee down and the promoter put a stop to that and even though they said well he may never walk again. He managed to keep the leg. It's a knee fracture which gets four metal screws in it. He's got two pins in his left. Arm is going to have to take a break from wrestling for eighteen months before he's back up and moving around and when that happens he moves to nashville arse wrestling as jack long but that's something i guess that it has in common with ric flair for most people listening to this know that ric flair went down in a in an airplane and suffered a broken back and many others in that plane crashed rashed odd but he survived and he was told he would never wrestle again and not only did he wrestle again. He was wearing gold. I don't know six months later and that sort of a parallel with him and and harley race. Did you ever hear about his accident that cost him his wife and nearly as leg yeah absolutely <hes> heart. It was a daredevil man. I don't know the exact circumstances. Surrounding this particular tragedy i do know that hardy was a speed freak. <hes> saga steve austin one time one of hardy's the greatest days was when he started travelling are w w for example he only would rent a cadillac so the company i think cutting furnished him a car because we put him vader anyhow only would drive a cadillac on the road because it fit get his demeanor his image. He protected the business that way. He wasn't around a taurus taurus owners. There's nothing wrong with your car. I don't need to be added but the bottom line is. They got the cloud as a cadillac. You're talking about the champ here so but when he got those remember those <hes> motors that they got out about that time the four fifty four or something that came in big ass cadillacs. I can't marry some over over muscled up motor cadillacs. He he was hog heaven 'cause he loved drive and he's a and he was the driver. You'd think elderly god. He's going to be a for years for many years. Hardly anybody else drive and he'd go behind the wheel. The cadillac and off they went and i know that steve was telling the story the other day and this is true story. I've heard leon vader when harvey harley was driving and he was drinking beer. Obviously they did drink drink and drive. Don't do their home kids or anybody else. That beer was done. Vader's job was a half the other beer already open and the opening turn to turn nearest harley so the heartiest had to get the beer but rightness mouth south and drink it and that was the baiters job all night to open the beers and pass seamlessly passing the empty goes out the new one comes in it's already openness wanted right to your face that was harley and nobody ever said one word about doing any of those little things like that because he was hardy race inevitably inevitably when you get a bunch of the boys together and they're sharing a few cocktails the story star flowing and eventually it almost becomes like a competition of can you top this us and that was a story. I heard years ago about harley race. That was maybe the tallest tale of all and i knew we had to get it on the show today. Unfortunately the person who told me the story probably shouldn't be on this. Show telling the story so we made a compromise. We're going to put them in podcast witness protection but this is a story of harley race. You've just got to hear car drove through beal's soon lose broke through gordon the core the shots were syrup. Harley roosts will burmese russia's world champion windows. Were what are you doing own. Terms tools wrote a bureaus migita slope indoors trample aw road harley race was drinking smoking driving walking a midget going a hundred miles in our got pulled over totally call the truth android. That's me i thought about this a little bit since he's passing on a lot of folks normal john wayne aficionado low john wayne movies because my dad dad and i got a lot of john wayne memorabilia your mouth so looking at right now and there was a movie kamei john wayne's last movie was called shoot est he played a sick and terminally ill famous gunfighter named jay beat books and shave books moved to this little town and got a room and lauren because home and so anyway and lauren bacall son was played by ron howard young ron howard after the opiate years to not too far and how he was so excited he was that j._v. books the famous outlaw gunslinger had moved their their house the boarding house. I'm trying to think of it so that's how i felt knocking on that smoky door going into the locker room tulsa in tulsa i was i felt the ron howard character. I want to see one of us actually to but admit junior before and and i still love junior but they're different characters different people but meeting harley race. It's like meeting j. B. books in my mom's boarding house is pretty vicious so that all tied into that match our call that night but the thing about what he had to endure as a kid to to pay utah paying your dues weiping an eight hundred pound man's ass is paying your dues my book yellow teeth in nashville as jack long and then stopping off in boston and sixty three is the great mortimer finally when he lands in amarillo in sixty four which is the funk territory starts wrestling under his real name harley race. They got some advice from his dad. Say don't make somebody else's name famous so he uses real name all the way through the end of his career and while his wrestling amarillo he becomes uh-huh fast friends with larry haning of course the father of mr perfect and after they have run in texas they moved to the awa minneapolis as a tag team and they're in business business together for about five years there and that really is where he got his first big jewish and he became handsome harley race and larry yeah pretty boy larry. I saw very well here while back a couple years ago up in waterloo at the hall of fame banquet. I said what drunk how the imagination imagine nation even remotely think that you're pretty boy look is hidden beauty kid. It's hidden beauty he. He was a classic guy but they were a really really good team and you don't hear enough about them because hitting and race was so early in forest technologists concern. You've got to kind of look forward yeah not a lot of footage of that. The team winds up having a split up because surprise harley was in another car accident accident as he's recuperating he's talking to different broder's across the country and a decides he wants to make a run at singles and go after some championship gold so he moves over to the way and quickly rises up the ranks there and around that time he has enough success to buy and own part of the kansas city territory. Sorry and that's a scholar leverage there. You go allude there. Here's the main inventor he was getting over and anybody with with site could tell you that hardy race was extraordinary. This guy is going to be special and if you can keep him alba hospital it'll take his foot off that gas pedal a little bit he he'll be around for a long time as one of the top stars and the whole in the whole world and he was yeah he has great success here <hes> and seventy two september seventy-two. He wins the n._w._e._a. Missouri heavyweight championship and he'd go on hold that title seven. I'm tom says last title reign would be eighty five and the and the title would become defunct and i guess he's the last ever missouri heavyweight champion and a lot of her younger. Listeners may not know i know but you hear some people talk about the bill almost like it was the intercontinental to the w a bell where that will sort of hey if you win that missouri reach championship you have a shot at the big belt they ten pounds of gold is that right absolutely a very prestigious championship and if anybody does the research search and the yourself a google search or something you'll find that some of the greatest wrestlers in history of the business where missouri state champions champions because it was always perc- conrad <hes> illustrated much like the intercontinental title at one time before everybody started making title because a lack of creativity where the reasons are the titles miss something i stand my stand and believe that there are too many titles right right now and they're watered down and which of them have value or the others. I don't see they're all a parody but harley was that champion. What did you say thirty seven times. I mean think about that folks so he's in there. I think i don't know how many guys have been the missouri state champion that were not hall <unk> hall of fame worthy or not in hall of fame. He's just it was amazing but that missouri title was a big deal must like the houston title at some points but nonetheless. Everybody knew he was a local guy he he wanted. He wasn't move away that some place is back home and he could be your guy could be you're. You're a focal point and a foundation building block a territory and more specifically for san mentioning who was in saint louis by the way that harley was hardly was a huge asset and you're gonna take care of the eight time champion and that was zone by the alliance it wasn't a it wasn't a you know a a riot roomful typically face riders trying to decide who they wanted to make a champion out of it was breslin people that may champions out of guys that had all the qualifications and it paid their dues right right here right here is symbolic of what it's all about. This is the world's heavyweight title and when i say this commit in all sincerity the world's heavyweight title held by harley race not once but twice over half of my life devoted to what i do better than any other human being in wrestling. I am not going to allow any human being to insult me or this when i say that i mean it in dead sincerity when i walk in that ring i'm walking in there as world heavyweight champion champion. I'm walking in there to defend what i- holda probably more close then in the other man has ever held. This is my life. You've heard your ric flair's talk about being cock of the walk. You've heard your thunderbolt patterson's. You've heard them all only anderson. They all talk about being the man flare parades around saying that he is the ultimate man buddy. This is symbolic of being everything that any human being ever wanted to be that man is harley highly race for one of those individuals that i've mentioned or the various others to beat me then let them walk around and claim to be what they are. 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Google play store but when you get this thing downloaded any play through the tutorial go to that setting screen archie code grilling. Ill unlock a whole bunch of secret wrestler card than cash. You'll be glad you did or more time. It's free download support it. It's a wrestling fan who made this game who listens to this show every week just like you you do and they deserve our support eighties mania wrestling returns. It's a free download right now in the app store <music>. I feel like we had mentioned that. The names on this list are incredible. Obviously multiple names like bob morton by about johnny valentine valentine terry funk gene kaminsky dory funk junior bob back lynn jack brisco ted d._b. Osce on him rick flair. I mean you talk about a who's who's who <hes> this bell was was a very prestigious bell and the precursor to the world title absolutely and huma seven-time champion speaks volumes. We should keep it moving here until everybody that he would win. The big bell also in kansas city may twenty four th he would finally dory funk junior and a two out of three falls match to win his first ever w a world heavyweight championship and that winning fall is decided with a vertical suplex. How's that for a finishing maneuver and i guess you should mention the backstory to this matches pretty famous and you can sort of shed the light on it for everybody but the rumor in innuendos originally dorey was supposed to drop the belt to jack jack brisco in houston texas for paul bosch about two weeks prior to this but unfortunately dory was involved in a truck accident on his ranch and has been some debate as to whether or not that actually what happened at the time because dory senior had a lot of power in the n._w._e._a. And there's been a rivalry between the fox and the briscoes at the time and <hes> that truck accident has been one of much debate. What are you hearing about it back then conrad. Are you referring them. My brother dory and i were unscrupulous. Scrupulous to the alliance. I've heard of being stores about that deal and here's the thing i argue opinion or two but uh i got. I love those guys man. These guys are the folks and the briscoes and harley god almighty the business wouldn't even be the hard to have ever lasted through different controversies and so forth it weren't for them and often cases those guys so. I have no no dog in that hunt but i do know that there's there's been a lot of stories about the basic came down like we're talking about this all the time conrad. If it works through it's going to be one of the two cs right cash or creative sure creatively at this through the the folks had an issue. Maybe <unk> dropping a belt to to the jack if you've talked to jerry briscoe. You'll get one story sure if you've talked to door you get another story. May the same story hell. I don't know but to me it was there was something going on. There are too many holes in the in the in the alibi so to speak whatever you wanna call. It and i'm not indicting anybody for anything because i don't know i wasn't there but i do think that <hes> sometimes where there's smoke there's fire but at the end of a date all worked out real fine because hardly gets to win the title in his territory from a great champion and they had two three classic. I've been i've been told that before and then <hes> later on two years later thank harvey related to jack brisco. I think even less than that one the belt on may twenty four th and seventy three three he would drop it to jack brisco on july twentieth nineteen seventy-three says harley is a bit of all transitional champion here only a couple of months in but again. It's a two out of three false match and harley wins. The first fall. Jack wins the second fall with the figure four and then the third fall that fine finishing maneuver well. It's fez press. How about that. I i do wanna mention though that that story is is a pretty famous story about whether or not dory was actually too injured to compete and allegedly allegedly there were pictures of him at the hospital and he says that he's driving the truck by himself and starts to chase a calf and it goes over a six foot embankment and the truck overturns into a creek and he separates his shoulder and has some head and face lacerations. He's only in the hospital for three days. So as what's what's so <unk> happen that match would be the only one that dory whatever miss in his professional wrestling career so that makes you think he's got a case that this thing is blown out of proportion as he didn't have a habit of it wasn't habitual missing habitually having issues ever heard of on on finishers doing creative data so i i don't know i just it never struck me this. Why didn't make a big deal this over my self. I heard the story. It just didn't strike me as the kind of thing that dory funk junior would do that because that's all. I got to go by <hes> you know so i i just don't know man i think but it was there was some controversy there but you know look they worked together a million times after that and and briscoe worked with me and times after that that they've made a lot of money together so i just wonder if there was that many issues afloat many cards played conrad if it was really anything to it or not so subsequently into be none but who knows intersex store to talk about. I didn't think that there is anything on the face of the earth. That would ever push me to do what i'm going to do right now but flair. You have pushed me. As far as you're going to push right hair is twenty five thousand dollars and it goes to any human human being that eliminate rick flair from wrassling. Take paul jones you and your whole entourage people tech slater capo k. that name name celeste it goes on and on any human being that kinda lemonade wreck flair for me has got dave five thousand dollars cash. I'll give or take any human being jack brisco. You are world's champion your talked about from me. You're the man you can do it. It's hair faryab common. Get blaze. Somebody take that day. I walked. We should mention that when briscoe beat him that's when they retired the world title that harley i held and they debuted the new belt that most of us knows the ten pounds of gold now at the time. It didn't have leather strap padlock. A red velvet strapped was made by jeweler in mexico and <hes> this match in houston where harley is gonna lose it to jack. Brisco becomes <hes> the coronation of this brand new belt that we all so fondly remember. Let's fast forward to january first new year's day nineteen seventy five johnny weaver in a tournament final to become the first ever united states heavyweight champion that bill has lineage if you get creative and how you trace it to the w today the first united states heavyweight champion pretty cool deal there and over the next few years he's traveling all across the globe and wrestling and a lot of different territories and winning a lot of gold like the georgia heavyweight title in the stampede north american heavyweight title and in japan even wins the in w a united national heavyweight title in the w._f. World title so all over the place he is was a massive success and on february six nineteen seventy seven he ends terry fox almost two year in w world heavyweight title reign and this because the second time <hes> that harley is the world champion here he wins by submission this time music indian death lock to win the match and i know that <hes> terry faulk had a lot of love for harley race in campaign for him to become champion. It was a pretty big deal for this one to go down and harley to get another shot after so many probably viewed him as a transitional champion from his win a few years prior yeah. It was very political. <hes> scenario the end of the day <hes> board the the members the voters very political scenario. I talked to ted d._v._r. See one time about one time. He was the final three to be the new champion and they generally tried. They tried back in a certain period there for the champion to have a two year run ron a two year term at the two years you see all the shots and all these territories and a tourist you send him on and then two years you'd reevaluate so when a camera evaluation time <hes> the candidates and the finals that much nick was touting sam much think what's touting was <hes> rick dusty and teddy. Those three guys are the talk of the other in the race kind of turn the corner looking coming for home. The problem for teddy was he primarily been wrestling in mid south for cowboy bill watts who was not a member of the alliance but when they upon further review they realized it was assist. The wasatch paid as back to the n._w._e._a. From booking champion or more than they were getting almost almost any territory there was recognized champ not all all of them but most of them 'cause miss south was a very viable territory at time so there's a kind of a conundrum there some of the old school guys is one of bill to be a member of the alliance in a year to all their their bylaws and run and run his ship according to them and that was not the cowboy away is way was to try to draw money pair by what they're supposed to get and pay the alliance or percentage and because the gates are fatter the sewer the chicks back to at the end of u._a. Which is what sam was more interested in then so the ceremony. Thank of watts has got to be a member so that her teddy there and then he had two guys it back and forth for awhile in rick industrial two great choices and very political. I think that i think we we talked about harley. Come to tulsa seventy seven for a dead dead territory. The market was this battered and fried. I think one of the reasons he did that. Was you know was kind of a payback to leroy leroy for many many years was on the the excuse me the board of the end of view a and he had a lot of power matter of fact leeward controlled entirely the end of your junior heavyweight title but he also had a vote and influence because in the light right so long on the big belt so. I think there's a little payback. They're politically earning show unfortunately best in politics their your politics and wrestling too just like any other walk of life but i think that was a payback so political hardy was a loyal son of a gun but again. I just can't go back and think conrad that oh yeah that was a great job. This happened here. We want to think that today because it's more intriguing it's more interesting talk about what's interesting. Talk about to me is is teri told me once that the situation with harley winning the second belt was some of the more old school wrestling promoters in the n._b._a. Felt like the n._w._e._a. Champion had to be college educated and you shouldn't have tattoos and that was two strikes against harley and so the the people who were against harley and sort of oppose that idea that long on a thinking harley should be champion. What really hang their hat on. Hey doesn't have a college degree and he's got tattoos. Those are unbecoming of the interview world. Champion yup never saw luther skin on luther graduate from college. It's just the same anytime politics and that bullshit gets his without allowed any any scenario is started adversely affects it puts a stench on things and it's just as narrow mindedness and those are the same promoters conrad that bladed. He had one african american territory. Go ahead. You're good and and i know that i know the powerful n._w._e._a. Guys i heard a conversation powerful the president bob geico one time had a head words. The cowboy on the phone 'cause watch brand new expensive speakerphone. 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It's not uncommon to hear about tough guys and professional wrestling so arly race is one of the many tough men professional wrestling but but it is pretty unusual to hear someone carried as much respect in professional wrestling is hardly raced in and got a lot of that is because of the respect that harley harley had for the business and the gaas in it so to elaborate on that until a couple of really great stories. Let's welcome great friend of the show host of what it happened win. Mr tony shivani well a couple of things about harley. I hardly was brought into w._c._w. Be the manager of a big van dater sure and he became like really managed to they brought him in because they thought that leon was a little bit <hes> well. Two out of control at times had a lot to learn about being on top in the business especially in w._c._w. Thought harley would be communist influence to him and and good help lead him in the right direction and not not so sure that it always happened that way but i know harley did have an impact on leon's life. I don't think there's any question about that but the the story that i know about harley race is one. That's been well told old in <hes> in world championship wrestling and especially mid atlantic championship wrestling ricky steamboat rick flair had great foods and some of the best feuds since some of the best matches they've ever had happened in jim crockett promotions back before they became big international stars on turner broadcasting and back in the seventies when ricky steamboat defeated ric flair for the mid atlantic television championship they had this angle where flare attack steamboat and took steamboats face and rubbed it across the floor of the television studios so to make him look make it look like he was really hurt. They brought steamboat in the back and harley race just happened to be there because the world champion was in town at that time and he was doing tv a harley was there and <hes> <hes> as as the story goes he asked for someone to get some sandpaper so they went out to a local hardware store to get sandpaper harley took the sandpaper and sanded steamboats face the the right side of his face sanded off his eyebrow and then grabs steamboat by the head and said kid this is going to hurt standby and punched him as hard as he could in the eye to swell up the i'm black and the eye and and dan he told steamboat go out and do your interview so harley was was was truly legitimately one of the toughest roughest this rugged guys at ever stepped into the wrestling ring and i think that story just shows you exactly the the extent he would go through to make sure the the injuries that came across on t._v. Legit well. It'll thinking had permeate some of the other territories because something happened in in this era when harvey's champi you would think man that i can't really have happened right not politics the way it were of course he's making the loop he being harley and picking up wins over pat patterson and dusty rhodes and dory funk and dick the bruiser and angelo ofo and the original chic but they need as a couple of title versus title title matches against superstar billy graham of the w. w._w._f. And the awa world champion nick bach winkle that seems like that is almost like a fever a dream as much as as these territories would be divided just a few years later but but it actually happened champ versus chain it did happen for pay days cash and creative the cash. The talents are gonna make make them happy happy for sure. The <hes> <hes> money's gonna make was a great bonus cost normally in those big <hes> glorify matches like in in the in the northeast with a superstar billy graham and and and then awa or wherever may be with nick balk winkle. They're great pay days there and the houses and then remember that a piece of that. There's a piece of that house came back to the n._w._e._a. So the n._w._e._a. Got money from booking harley. Booking fee and heart got a big payday for being in the main event and getting a predetermined amount of percentage of the house else so it was a it was a those are the things that you knew what you hope does a fan before you work for prejudices and you weren't precondition that would be you see a title change in history. Make you see these guys are gonna lose her title and somebody's gonna end up with two unheard of we don't talk about history yeah about october thirteenth nineteen seventy eight. If you're younger wrestling fan throw that in your google machine because despite what we would be told i dunno no <hes> nine years later seven years later harley race body slammed andre the giant for the first time it didn't happen at wrestlemania three it happened october thirteenth nineteen seventy eight and it was harley race who did it and he would do it again. On january seventh nineteen seventy-nine this outside the ring onto the floor during a match which pretty remarkable and ric flair's gone on the w._w. Network a few times and told the story that unbelievably harley race was the first and only got he knew to do a vertical suplex with andrei and not regular suplex but hold him that was in greensboro and that's when nathan went back in a locker room after his organises. What did you tell andre what you're gonna. Do i told him suplex and watch the body slam so andrei big eyes bushy hair so hardly vertical suplex andrei laundry way over four hundred pounds even a leaner years. Here's your high threes low force any and hardly held him that post physician and a lot of people don't realize how strong he was. It takes the guy that you're su- flexing and help you a little bit but bottom line man you got one arm on that big bass but you've got to figure out how you're gonna hold him up there for a while and notwithstanding stand with fact that then he got body slammed but hardy didn't ask for the permission for the giant giant hardy was the godfather andre was nick caserio andre what the boss either. Everybody called her. The boss when andrei was around harley harley race was the boss unbelievable. That's the respect he had with the boys his journey he was on the the <hes> pioneering man the the the doucehy paid we all knew but the happy humphries wiping your ass deal and all the name and all this other stuff it was just a the stuff already did and and working hardly the i here's another thing i will tell you i think most people listening agree that are familiar with the two guys that superstar billy graham and nick balk winkle or for both amazing talents main event guys world world champions but they they're gains entirely different. I'd say i'd say this conrad very quickly that i think that that <hes> superstar billy graham was known ryan. He threw nothing nothing but heat strength powered heat nick balk winkle through all speak pitches and both of them are amazing but here's the money on this story is both guys were made to look better than they actually were because they're working harley right and very few people especially. Today's wrestling world had the ability to make whomever they work with better than they actually are dr. Anne hardy did that night after night after night. Can you imagine missile territory places four or five hundred six hundred people there you gotta wrestle. The territory's fair haired boy and making look good. We probably couldn't sometimes couldn't couldn't tie boots. He did all that allows it can always big nice arenas and and everything it was <hes> it was a it was it was a damn carnival. Man is like being involved bill or something. That's going to be nothing less than the super bowl. A professional wrestling actually bought back on the world wrestling federation champion meeting the n._w._e._a. Champion harley race race who meets the world wrestling austin federation champion and then what is somewhat of a super bowl of pro wrestling in madison square garden on monday night september twenty second your comments please mr race. It's going to be the <hes> pity me of wrestling today. I have been all over the world. I've been in japan. When back on was there. He did not want to meet me dan nor does he really want to meet me now. I had to come to his playground his backyard top madison square garden and and back then it's going to be settled once and for all i am the only world heavyweight champion and i want want to prove that to you most nicely. Thank you very much mr race who will meet bob backline. We'll find out who the true world heavyweight champion is in madison square garden on the twenty second day of september. Let's keep moving in and tell everybody that this roy aligned with the interview world title last more than two years and he finally loses it october twenty first nineteen seventy-nine dusty rhodes but he wins it back five days later and i guess we should mention that he would do the same routine a couple of months later in october in japan he would lose the title to giant baba with running clothesline and then when it back a week later with a cross body blocked from the top rope where harley rolls through it and gets a pin and it's been said the rumor innuendo the legend is the harley was paid twenty five thousand dollars cash directly from giant baba and he did this because he felt like well. I'm losing it. In japan and i went back before i go back to the states so what's the harm and this way. I'll get paid directly and i won't have to cut the end of a dan. This is pre internet era but this was one of those famous stories where one of the boys cut a deal and giant baba really wanted to say he was in n._w._e._a. Champion and he was for a week and harley have made a lotta pay days. I'm assuming through baba over the years. It was a pay back. It was it was it was a cash grab. If you want for lack of a better term it wasn't the first time a champion interviewed. Champion had gonna benefit for himself to mika some extra extra scratch. It happened before and again. I don't think but nonetheless it happened before i wouldn't do so. I know that caused a little bit of an uprising pissing contest within the hierarchy of the end of u._a. Because they perceived that they are losing control troll and the one thing they had the really the only thing they had going for him was the n._b._a. Title and making her money's book and a champion you know three hundred days a year wherever there's the lights are turned on and they didn't wanna screw that up so if they start to feel like they're losing control of the booking or the talent and it was not a good thing for them because that was their only major asset. Let's talk about the interview world title flip-flopping. It wasn't done with baba. They would do it again. September fourth nineteen eighty baba would be harley five days later. You can probably predict arly wins it back and he did this in eighty one with <hes> one of the hottest young stars in the whole state of georgia. Mr wildfire tommy rich. Oh my god conradi so those taxi. Oh my gosh he loses it to tommy rich april twenty-seventh he wins it <hes> back on may first michigan michigan barnette orchestre de deal well tell us and they were and there was big money involved in that too well. It was done to help the georgia territory. You know like i said earlier this fasten comment but harley beating dory in two or three falls or did that happen in his territory in a big market in kansas city. Kansas is kansas territory and they're in kansas city. You're trying to say god almighty so that was the same deal here tommy rich the hot new thing people couldn't get enough of him. He become a major star on t._b._s. In needed something sales just a little something other than bleed rematch and how those classics with both sawyer and they did so you know he against the title for what five days or something long painful days you and he lost the title back in atlanta the big the big market the big town of the territory the as desio say the mother low bid and that's what it was so and here that barnett put a little extra cheese on the on harley swap over before he left town to do that favor because here's a deal harley lost the title of tommy rich in gainesville. Oh georgia at the bill is called the georgia mountains center. It's a young a._j. Styles used to the wrestling matches as a kid. Asserts down is a westbound road in in respect of the arm news of the world the gardens and all that but so so aren't hid heart because this harley. You won't be losing atlanta you losing gainesville telling me how the championship for the weekend. We'll come back to atlanta atlanta the omni try to sell it out. Everybody pay day. Build works returns off of it. Keep the thing going and that'll be an atlanta so there's so you can look at all the the the strategy now that was <hes> it's kinda fascinating all the moving parts and how political they were. Let's talk about the next title switch. He's gonna lose it to dusty rhodes just about a month and change after this win back from tommy riggs that one happens on june twenty-first and and then most famously <hes> he wins it from rick flair on june tenth nineteen eighty-three and that really sets sets up. What's going to be a major moment in wrestling history. We're going to head towards stockade. Which is this new revolutionary idea. It's going to be on closed-circuit so you don't have to be in the arena but allegedly. If you try to get to the arena that night you couldn't it was just miles and miles just backed up on the interstate eight or fans were trying to walk up and buy tickets allegedly thousands turned away at the door and this promo in this <hes> program program that harley and rick have built with each other is now for rick to really be crowned and anointed as the champion harley has been a heritage champion a._p._n. For years and years rick and only been the champ for a cup of coffee but there is such a great classic promo that we're going to play here on the show were harley puts out a twenty five thousand dollar bounty to anyone in the n._b._a. Who can take out flair and of course bob morton and dick slater would attack flare. It looks like it's going to be a career ending neck injury but he's going to return at this star cade november twenty four th nineteen eighty-three a steel cage match and allegedly. This is so big and remember. This is november birdie three this predates wrestlemainia. This is the first big time show and according to the legend dusty has the books arcade sort of his idea <hes> and veg. That's true vince mcmahon has an idea. He wants to put a stop to this because he feels like maybe somebody's got the jump on him with a good idea so allegedly vince calls harley and asked him to come to connecticut immediately and he offers harley a quarter million dollars to go to the w._w._f. Right then and there and not hot drop the title to rick but to bring it to the w._w._f. With him and allegedly vents is trying to buy the world title destroy that company and their big event stark eight it all at the same time harley said during this meeting he invents going to the restroom together and they're looking in the mirror and harley asked vince what does he see in the mirror and vince said that something like i see both of us in the mirror and harley said he'd have to look at the person for the rest of his life and we know that he winds up not taking the money it does stark aid does the honors for rick. It's a big night for rick and that's one of the more famous moments in wrestling history. What did you hear. How did you hear it. Has this legend grown as time going on. I share i heard it from. You'll watch watches flowed into all that stuff even though he wasn't a member of the alliance which further irked them the great reporter with all the champions because they lack working for bill and they'd work with bill and other territories. You know florida atlanta so forth. I just heard it was a harley was basically offended. That mcmahon would essentially try to buy his character not t._v. Care tourist. I is personal character his integrity harley at a at amazing reputation of being that chair be books that classic gunfighter that that that didn't make excuses and he kept his word and i know that we obviously that the dennis has already laid out that what he was going to do and he got to greensboro. He's gonna be he's gonna lose to rick and annoy rick is the next guy and he's given his word on that deal and invest always years in miles and hospital stays this stitches the blood the guts and a beer and all that stuff you know for years and the end of the way he was going to do anything to sliced sliced apart. If why did you w._w._e. W._w._f. Later 'cause it was later. It wasn't this time and the motive was the lions lowry was becoming a little bit. <hes> slithered said at least and he went there to work mika living. It's pretty simple so i've heard off-shores but it was this was used to getting his way and he thought hardy had a price and unlikely character of the million dollar man hardly had no price for vince on that day. Wanna take a moment right now to talk to the gentleman who is seven times world heavyweight champion the only man to hold that distinction in the entire history of the n._w._e._a. Harley race the tar being a rustling the only human being and in baltimore. I'll guarantee you mr flair that it's going to be number eight. I don't care what i've gotta to do. I don't care how five gotta go or what it takes. Number eight is going to be hardly racist. I i am the ultimate thing in wrestling today. I'm gonna continue to be until i say that. I'm ready not to be new order to prove that i've gotta get by one individual gordon. I don't mean to be out here hollering shoddy but when i get the thinking about ric flair that's the way it comes out flare. Your mind guaranteed fact your beaten man the second year walk gin the ring. You know what i know and baltimore is going to find it out and a steel cage is going to spell the difference prince you feel a steel cage is how he stole it along with. A left handed referee that can tenderly got in a way. That's how i'm taking taking it back. It'll be right inside this. It's the night of champions in baltimore maryland the civic center on thursday october eleven the time is eight p._m. The world heavyweight wrestling championship goes on the line player defending against seven time world champion harley race this match wilby in a steel the okayed the national heavyweight champion in defensive side against ronnie garvin and the nashville tag team champions the road warriors will defend their titles against dusty rose rosalie anderson. There'll be a host of matches october eleventh in baltimore fascinating story. We should mention that and his his lines with the world title or not done on march. Twentieth eighty four in new zealand harley would beat rick for the world title three days later later. Wouldn't you know it in singapore. Rick wins the belt back from harley. This is almost a custom. If it's an overseas flight and harleys taken the belt he he can carry it in his bag every night. Yeah and there was no. There's no there's no social media. The cloak of secrecy are are trying to prevent event news and getting out is doesn't happen. I mean i it's amazing what you can find their on real time stuff. A ah goes on arresting dennis. There's very active fan base that have telephones cameras video recorders so it was just a different era. You could get uh. Hey you think anybody here in oklahoma had a god damn clue who was win. The title of new zealand no spelled z. us but nonetheless the only thing that new that new zealand is a lot of sheep. They're going to be careful but harley was a harley was <hes> this guy he was a businessman conrad. These these guys are entrepreneurs. They weren't getting guaranteed contracts. They're having to go out and actually sell tickets to earn their pay. They weren't giving a they weren't being <music> on scholarship here to where some companies are paying exorbitant salaries to their talents who actually think that there are making so much money only that they're actually over and they're gonna take some merit to the pay. They're not in those days. These guys are all this commission salespeople. You'll get a guarantee worked in here and there but i will tell you that eight out of ten events they worked. They got what the the commission was star. The percentage percentage was outlined to be so the more you sold the more you made yvonne that night you get paid well and that's kind of how that work you know just about the money the in the percentages in a different mindset than this mindset today not even close we should mention that they thought that they were doing doing this title switch and nobody would find out about it and harley would say the n._w._e._a. Thing was kind of half ass falling apart and we wanted to draw the best thing we could singapore coming in the singapore where the new champion and giving the title back to rick would be different than anyone expected but nobody knew paul bosch was going to be in wellington. He ran right to the telephone and called the guys on the board by the time anybody got to us the titles artist switch back to rick so they pretend it never happened and it's the relationship and the respect. That rick has given harley over the years. I mean were his tweet. How about this. He he wrote when when harley passed away we lost not only a great personal friend but in my estimation the one and only real world champion without without harley race. There was no ric flair. I tried my hardest everyday live up to his standard in the ring and you can ask anybody or rick would would talk your ear off that harleys the toughest man he ever met and i think he felt like he owed a lot of his career to harley fair to say absolutely when you have only we have the most skilled player in the game that's tenured globally respected and has the innate ability to make every rematch he's in better than it should have been to take average talents who the local star their territory and make them had the mash of their lifetime lifetime because they're working with harley race rick got that he got to be around that he gets to be around greatness the stuff that we told that story in greensboro were hardee's merckel suplexes andrei then he slams him all the same match a lawyer. I think lawler body slammed andre one time time and he got his ass shoot out are the the office did about from the n._w._e._a. That we're you know we're not. We're not gonna be able to work with jerry. You guys if you don't you can't do that. They're running our own territory. They're paying their own bills and look. Here's the thing about it conrad. If andre did not want to be body slammed you think he was was forced into it. You just muslim up and got him up there anyway no matter if you didn't want to go of course not and harley it's not the kind of pro that would impose somebody unless he believed it was really good for the match and it was all about the match not about him about the matching and getting a match over so i eight. I think that you know the harley's. Hardee's abilities were amazing and rick felt that i i want to be like this guy now i don't he he was not he was going to have always had more sizzle more possess <hes> but he is what he wanted to be like was hardest reputation as a wpro and what he did build a bill with any by the stepped in the ring with him and that's what rick wanted rick always wanted to be the best of the game. I think it did become the best in the game but that's another story for another time would rip show sometime i by the way i told you i told you this off the air i had a good conversation with rick today and he's he's feeling great while the way folks are wondering and he's agreed to write the forward to my next book awesome. That's great good news. I'm various static. I'm very happy. Let's talk about what's next for <hes> harley race. There's a famous story and we're going to get some help from a friend of ours. <hes> where in july of eighty four he's supposed to be wrestling ric flair at the memorial hall in kansas city in across town the red hot world wrestling federation or running the bigger theatre and it's nearly sold out at harley show but they're probably drawing bigger crowds across town and harley will go make a visit and eventually harley would decide hey if you i can't beat them join them and in may of eighty six not long before the interview a meeting that they would hold every year harley announces that he's going to go to the world wrestling sling federation and he comes in as handsome harley race. Probably race is one of the biggest names in the history of professional wrestling and i know when i talked to my dad about professional wrestling he still thinks of harley race as being the world champion from when he was a wrestling fan he was the biggest name in professional the wrestling at least to my dad but then in the eighties of course the business was changing quite a bit and there were two new top guys rick flair and hulk hogan up next here in our tribute to harley race. We've got a clip from the rick flair show and back in two thousand fifteen. I had the great pleasure of moderating a conversation relation with the immortal hulk hogan and the nature boy ric flair as they traded some tremendous stories about harley race and the respect. He carried the business. Hey i saw here. You guys talk about a story that i heard you tail improv at once which was awesome about when the w._w._e. W._w._f. At the time came to town as as harley racist territory and their two shows going on that night and rick your wine and you run into harley. I'll let you take it from here yeah well. We all talked about it. Guys don't realize until harley. They're mad at the he. At that time. He's leaving meet a russell broad over three thousand people it over to the convention center at week. He pulled on a nine millimeter band and i'll be back smoke a cigarette throws it out. You were on the other thaddeus. People don't understand is he had been in kansas city is whole life he was he n._w._e._a. Champion and that was piped hype into kansas city holly races champion holidays champion and he had his friends and neighbors. You have to respect the people in the airport and all around there. They're all of a sudden clowns from from love connecticut hulk hogan and vince mcmahon our pipe into the t._v. to goes all the w._w._f. Just out of nowhere and then we follow all of the service service the market come into place and russell harvey came down there and chug like the ring on fire during the afternoon ring regard better here and try and across the dell told he's gonna kill me so i went across the street to scupper during two bottles of wine asking sliding back over there for the main event hoping missing doing number two when i had my pants down david moore slip go hundreds of orlands era david smith star screaming. If i pull my pants up did bidding white my rear end walks the bathroom climbing and you the standard acknowledges and doing that game boy your kneecaps off. I'd rather work with you. Guys scare the hell out of me. I scares tweeted but i knew that they're doing today on the burner and sure i don't keep up with vents are more scared me that i knew before camp. Allies follow the russel's around when tampere vessel. I used to go the imperial room over there on our meaning avenue match up pretty much knew all about well. Well the thing about harley race which you have to love it every day. I never took it back. This is considered anything like leeway is really thought he was the world champion. He loved someone to give them some shit. He loved to go bar and he'd rather over table. Knock every quarter office sitting there with twenty guys and say i got the winner and started smoking a cigarette. He just couldn't avoid and go. Let's say drinking drinking relax. You know you'd be biting a beer caps out the biology student that allocating the beer the fastest go leonard the goal for more. You know i get a quick story for you. My first territory when i went up and worked for the fuller's lead went outside to the ballpark in dothan alabama and we know take time right yeah and so we're out there. A harley race tells me to hardaway night and i didn't know what he's talking about. You yelled at near a couple of times so i i put the forehead yeah pick. His forehead was yellow bag him down and try to cook with my knuckles. Cavoski komo can in his eyes love. He started cussing at me and the next thing i know he throws me out of the ring and by the time i hit before the common starting to pull myself up he already out and grab some ladies one of those big old not a poor came up with a big one of those real cameras. I learned he smashes that face and both my eyes woah or even that that night i guess moly welsh or somebody was screwed. Monitoring the box office and we all lead to a hotel room and man it got really nasty with don curtis and i guess they were choosing on courtesy roy roy welsh steel and stuff and harley harley really everybody's face and robert was crazy. I got a good education that got his mom. Harley harley said at the time no one was getting above hawk so they wanted something that would put harley on the same level is hulk without taking anything away from hawk so the king of wrestling gimmick was born and he wins the king of the ring tournament which in those days happened to how shows and after that he was known as the king harley race and he wore crown and robe and he was managed ends bobby heenan wrestling fans ask this monday night sullivan stadium in foxborough the steel cage match the tag team championship and the second annual king of the ring tournament. Not tickets are still available at all tickets ron locations strawberries in all day monday at sullivan stadium and believe you want tonight. It's going to be certainly don't forget that all important challenge. That's living legend bruno san martino against eddie. The animals designated hitter and remember. It's the king of the ring tournament this monday night. You're familiar with many many of the first round matchups pedro morales against ace cowboy bob orton golden boy danny spivey against nikolai volkov junkyard dog against mr wonderful paul orndorff billy jackie's against the iron sheikh of course mike rotunda hercules hernandez the first round byes it will be magnificent morocco and rowdy roddy piper going against one another other in the winter of that one to meet the winter of george the animal steele and handsome harley race. Let me tell you something. I don't know how this all come about putting me. In a ring with george the animal steele they're talking about putting should have been talking about putting him in something like this but let me tell you this. Yes i didn't come to the w._w._f. To go down to george the animal steele the absolute go for professional wrestling now highly race. You've i've been out here and telling myself all the fans that you are the legitimate king of wrestling in what better way to back up your words than in the king of the ring tournaments show you all the way through the tournament from the bottom through george the animal steele through the winner of the whatever the matches roddy the piper don morocco right on through the list had don't make damn to me because i am king pretty good ryan in the w off but i know a lot of hard cores probably didn't like the idea of him using a quote unquote gimmick. Were you shocked to hear that he was joining the world wrestling federation and what did you think of the king presentation. I wasn't crazy about the king presentation for harley. I thought it was worn out kind of a gimmick a server server the king's king jerry lawler king curtis ikea you know king kong bundy lot of kings lot of kings think about it too many and i thought it was low. School ish in kind of harley stuff like that over the years. I'm not so sure i never heard him say he liked the money may time-to-time territories there was doing good and look. That's the only reason he went is a payday. These guys are not there's not like it is today where the indies and you got great orbit and young organizations fresh organizations nations like a w on the scene that gives fans another of vehicle another brand to enjoy that many brands who enjoy he was in a profession that he had a very great skill set but no one that wasn't mass marketable in today's world because he couldn't keep up the booking so he went there for the payday to pay bills and taxes and hospital bills and alimony or whatever the hell you know. He's like any other human human so i i <hes> i heard that story about that. I think i think he was a he he was he was a product of his of his business. He got a booking when there were other bookings. Were not available he had he. They're gonna pay money. We need the money to pay his bills like everybody else. Let me ask you though you know what we're talking about is whether or not him as the king was irib and you know i think it was austria okay so we've talked a lot about dusty rhodes and perhaps it was a putting dusty in polka dots and you think making harley race the quote unquote king being a wrestling was more of the same it just showed everybody involved in the process as a fan or as a talent are another talent or anybody else who the boss was the vince can do anything he wanted to do 'cause he's vincent man the most powerful weapon interesting interesting the eraser that man size you raise her the most powerful weapon arresting might be a t-shirt so i think power ego thing in my view cause harley remembered for harley what to new york and they ran opposition in kansas the city w w did to try to hurt the houses of the incumbents hardy had his gun out and hardly went to the arena <hes> <hes> before the w. show that night and banishes gun so i don't know that there were over zealous about booking that the town again going head to head especially against hardest group but he was very loyal man and so he kinda he kinda got the upper hand that night he bullied his way in of course everybody's everybody the building new harley race they save an article in but they didn't know you had a gun owning and he made this point clear and very succinctly and very never never raised his voice. I was told they'll deal. This is my town. You're trying to steal money from my table. I shoot people that do that time they also and so this guy he got over on vince there so you don't think that me mandate keep score all right for more exciting world wrestling federation action just hours away down at the boston garden tonight tonight but nominal artem. It's going to be going up against demolition. What a tag team but that should be george. The animal steele the deans were davis coco. Beware one on one against the honky talk band at turn title pen the heavyweight champion of the world for like hulk hogan at a texas death match no-holds-barred. We'll be challenged by this. Man yes is it is a return but came hardly wrestling sands manager bobby heenan even apparently not beer this week farley the king. I'm your hainan. You better keep it that way mr oakland because tonight in the boston garden. You're gonna see a man's career. Come to an end election in a few short years is going to be extinguished metro. I'm looking did at you. I if i'm not i'm looking at those morons that support you because in boston gardens tonight right and let me say that one more time tonight in boston gardens hogan is the end of your career and your damn well all gone up bow at the feet of the king when i removed about well. I'll tell you what don't don't run away your highness but all due respect. This guy has held all the title outer some pretty tough conditions for the past three and a half years not even andre the giant up in hulk hogan. I'm not andre the giant and i've helped more titles ooh and hulk hogan. Well ever hold the longest day of his life. That's why i wear that ground and in the boston garden tonight night. I'll wear that goal are gonna find out just hours away. Hulk hogan meet rape texas that built missing so he has you know he works wrestlemania three against junkyard dog. I was probably a big pay day and he said a mass with <hes> randy savage puts randy on a table and tells them to move and harley harley dives at randy and rainy goes through the table and vince sees it or harley goes to the table rather but vinci's this and and he says he wants them to do that same spot with hall but this time doing on the big stage do it on n._b._c. Saturday night's main event so harley goes to put all kinds of table gets on the ring apron dobbs hulk. All moves and harley smacks the table. This is way before he c._w. Folks this is a long time ago but as a result this table was not gimmick te and seriously injures harley to the point that the mantle edge of the table goes into his abdomen causes a hernia fast forward. He's at home washing n._c. Double a basketball tournament game. He started the have this horrendous cramp in his stomach and believe it or not. It's so bad he loses consciousness. When he wakes up he goes to the hospital and shortly after arriving he blacks out again and this time when he wakes up he's got a colostomy bag hooked up to him. He's got these he's <hes> inflamed and ruptured membranes that sorta line the inside of his abdomen all of his internal organs and as a result of this being punctured now. He's got bacterial infection. He's he's toxic septic and this is a coin flip at this point when you have that much bacteria in your blood as to whether or not you'll make it. I've been there conrad exactly when my my large intestine perforated which calls remove with thirteen inches of it it same thing not i didn't. He didn't do it that way. It was just a bad d._n._a. But i understand what you're going from the longer you leave it and the more of the feces guessing your system the less chance you had to live and that's actually what put rick down for the count years ago was well. He had a bowel situation and <hes> he was down for of account and and we're lucky to still have him hardly had this happen again here and the doctor tells him hey you're going to have to wear this colostomy bag for year and as you could expect back that lasts about three months with harley and he goes back to the doctrines is take it off. If i die i die and if i don't then all better but either way i'm really this thing fast forward six six months and he's itching to return to the ring so against the doctor's orders he's back wrestling and a lot of the doctors wouldn't clear him and allegedly <hes> vince swats workaround sends them to paris where he can still work with andre the giant and hulk hogan and he winds up leaving the company in nineteen eighty-nine and and <hes> if you were in charge of the to be f- and you can sort of fantasy book harley. Would you found another role for him. It feels like he's he being vince mcmahon is still finding response for guys. Was there something else that harley could've done. A minute contributor or is the time for him to just move on and then she would say learning new hold. I think that harley would have been hard pressed unless the pay was a competitive as a producer agent coach. Whatever you wanna this call them done that really well 'cause he. Was he's a great teacher. He had patients. He didn't yell and scream. He didn't occur. She out like a dog kushtia <hes> he could and he has but he was an orlando. I just think he was a lot like <hes> is a lot like randy savage average when he left w._w._e. He didn't wanna be a television announcer. He thought he had another run or two left in him and vince did not concur therefore randy left to go back to w._c. Go go to w._c._w. Because they were gonna put him in a featured program main event level as they should and for as long as they get out of it but he helped him a lot going down there air so the same thing with hardly i just think felt like i still got game lift and looking how the how the tears around him changing their style taking more shortcuts <hes> doing more flying things to wrestling <hes> that he believed that he could still contribute. I don't disagree with that quite frankly but it could be something and of course the w we had a habit of making older wrestlers. Managers albino was one. You know always guys ton of over the years <hes> but i think that harley was still had the itch to do something and so he left w._w._e. The and w._w._f. Time and and helped he came to atlanta in eighty nine and we had a healthier and hardy was a significant part of it. He ettelaat to our show credibility named entity. He felt a great void. He babysit big van vader and manage leon heavily on become a better. He'll he'll head great <hes>. He did great things for us. There will never be written of in that context but to tell you if you're behind the scenes in ears influence on these guys over there at that time <hes> <hes> there's not one man that can take heart rates helpful screen about this podcast and really just professional wrestling in general is the way hey these stories through professional wrestling told and retold and they become part of wrestling legend and almost the folklore of wrestling and it feels like they get bigger with with every retailing so next i want us to revisit one of those stories and this when i heard indirectly from famous belt maker reggie parks of course reggie used to be a professional professional wrestler himself but after he retired from in ring competition he made many of those classic championship belt designs that we all love so much in the eighties and he told the story his his protege and i wanted his protege dave milliken who is now a built maker for a._w._s. W._b._z. and he's done stuff. You've see everywhere else to tell a classic harley story which really personifies how bad ass harley race was. Hey thanks for having me on to share this memory three of harley and as you said it came from from reggie parks years ago in the story goes that harley and his wife at the time were in a restaurant eating dinner on somebody comes to rob the place so you got somebody that goes on to actually take money from the cash register and you got somebody else that's running around that's taking wallets and purses and they are going around and they're still gathering together is up and they get the harley's table and it's the same drill gave me a while it gave me the purse and harley just know sells it and keeps eating and you know i guess his wife's field rather secure because she's with the baddest man on god's green earth so <hes> they they just don't do anything and so the gases. I'm serious. Give me the wallet game in the personnel. Nobody gets hurt and harley by this point is annoyed so he looks up locks eyes with the guy and says ah fuck off and that's what the guy decided to do theresa's harley up and thought about it and obviously ended up leaving leaving there without the belongings of mr and mrs race and so you know that of all the harley stories to me. That's that's just the one that sums up the baddest man on god's green earth. Thanks for having me on to tell this guy's appreciate it. No thank you dave for taking time out of your day to <hes> celebrate the life and legacy and memory three of the great harley race yeah. I guess we should mention. He does come back in a year returns. The great american bash in nineteen ninety which we recently uncovered he would beat his former rival. Tommy rich and he starts wrestling on house shows filling in for rick flair in several tag team matches where he teamed with barry windham against lex luger in staying is going to wrestle tommy rich through the summer and a couple of times against brian pill one in september he would wrestle the united states title against lex and then he would renew his rivalry the following month in october against junkyard dog on the house show loop and he finishes the year against michael wall street and <hes> he suffers a pretty nasty shoulder injury missouri on december seventh of nineteen ninety and not long after he retires as a wrestler and <hes> we we see them pop back up at the great american bash nineteen ninety one and this is where he's gonna return lex luger manager slash advisor when lex would go onto defeat barry windham to win the first world championship and lex luger's trophy case and of course that is the famous show that ric flair was not there for kind of a a no win situation for luger and windham and <hes> rick was not there and harley was what do you think <hes> harley thought what about being the manager of the second for lex luger payday think he realized the writing on the wall conrad is this is bumping taking upside down bump and suplexes people and all these things he did so brilliantly or over. His body was starting to break down and again. We've already talked about these car wrecks. He said these are not just fender benders folks. These are not just amnesty things. He's laughing. Death car wrecks. Eh cost death is i y so i i think he saw the handwriting on the wall. There's mortality real and even hardly race couldn't fight off bother time while the times always going to win. He didn't father time doesn't do jobs remember that and so. I thought he was ready for the transition. He cut a t._v. Set back. He always addressed. Nice is focused marlboros at always a fountain of information. If you want to know now he's gonna look you up and come seek you out to give you advice but if you have the tight here motivated to be proactive you give you all the time in the world but there's just l. school in him he if he saw something wasn't good. He really wasn't a kinda guy. That's going to call you out unless just had to be convenient. As far as geography you're saying spotty years and we saw it type thing but he was just kind of guy you but if you came to him and ask you how did you see my match or hardwood. You watch my match he. He did that willingly and and did a nice job with so hard. It was more valuable than i know. None of us want to think that are that we can't do our job anymore. You're right. I've battled myself my battle with that myself and and thank god for tony kahn he believed that could and i can and i will but hardly was a situation where different job description but he goes damn good talker. He was missing he had but here's the thing man he yeah great name indentity. Everybody knew who they'll hardaway. Show us and they didn't know hardly race has gironi they knew hardy races eight time champion so <hes> <hes> and his reputation for himself. It's just you know he was. He was great in that role so he helped us a lot and and and quite frankly go back and look at eighty nine w._c._w. We had a hell of a year that year. We're so the greatest inventions in the history of their company. Three were flared steamboat. Come to mind for example so hardy was a big part of that that deal and but he's not all of us men i can do it. I still do this and until we prove to ourselves. There were bullshitting ourselves. We want to try and that shoulder injury a- and in his nearest hometown to work with mike rotunda michael wall street was just a that i was in that was it. He didn't realize i can't do anymore. A few weeks ago harley race was supposed to appear they convention in knoxville tennessee and i think most most people know that he didn't wind up making that appearance and wound up being hospitalized in atlanta. Georgia and i got an update from ric flair telling me that <hes> harley wasn't during so great and we gave that update here on a few of my podcasts and asked everyone for their prayers and to let harley that you were pulling for him and of course yes we know that ultimately we lost him but in the wake of losing him a former w._b._z. Superstar took to facebook to tell a story that i think surprised a lot of people title i saw that story and thought it was worth having him on the show to share that story a little bright spot wrestling when it feels like all we ever hear about is the negative. Here's a feel good story from trevor murdoch all right man you know with harley. I've been around around him for the last twenty years. There has really been a part of my life that he wasn't a part of and <hes> when he when i found out that he was sick and was stuck in atlanta keeping updates with with leland and getting information just just checking on and leland and give me a call said harley wouldn't doing doing that well <hes> that he needed to come home. Excuse me i'm sorry and all of a sudden out of nowhere harley starts feeling better and they're talking about him. Being in rehab for a month in atlanta we ended up being happy about it and the next day i get another phone call saying that harley kind of went downhill and they weren't sure if he was is going to recover and they wanted to bring him home and they couldn't find a hospital for a while <hes> they're able to finally find hospital but but the problem was they couldn't they couldn't take him by. They couldn't couldn't drive in there. <hes> yeah it'd be. It'd be fun. There and medicare wouldn't cover it. <hes> so i get a phone call to nowhere thinking he's going to be stuck in atlanta and i don't know where i get a call saying we're we're coming home harley rian flying home <hes> and and i'm just happy that they're coming home and i get a call stadium. They made it home and i need to come up there and and and then see harley that <hes> he's he's probably not gonna make the next forty eight hours. I and i'm here in the hospital and all of those guys are in the room. We're telling harley stories guys that had been with harley since the first day opened up the training center since nineteen ninety nine and and we're just remembering him and in talking to him and <hes> i step outside with out of the house will room was one of the guys and you know i go. How did you guys get harley home the last last night verges told me medicare cover and i was told that a call was made to w._w._e. And was in ten minutes they called back and said that the flight was taken care of don't worry about about it and gave him a date and time when you know time to come pick him up and to get him home and it just blew my mind that i didn't sell the kindness of their heart they they they. They didn't think about it. There wasn't a lot. I don't know it was just take care charlie and get them home and if it wasn't for that he'd been stuck in atlanta and i wouldn't be able to i just wanted to have been able to have been there with hip and i was very very proud and thankful that the instant w._w._e. Stepped up to do something they didn't have to do that. That gave me two more days with harley. I mean the man was a man held by children before my parents did is that my wedding and i was just extremely thankful for that because he means a lot to me and i thought people should know that the good things it's not always bad. Everybody likes to bash in the w._w._e. And and give their opinions and that's great but they need to know what kind of things they do and they don't ask for credit for it. They just do it to take care of the guys they were there for harley well and trevor. We know that harley glad you were there for him. At the end it's clear and you can hear it in your voice how much which harley meant to you and your family and i'm glad that harley was able to be with his friends and family there at the end and kudos to w._w._e. The and and vince mcmahon for mechanized happen well and did a great job managing lex because he said that lacks would would listen to him really wanted to learn and he wanted to take himself to a level had been at before and he respected what harley race had done and obviously the way all the other oh boy sort of handled him and maybe not the most fun transitioning from that to vader he says the him invader had several exchanges is that weren't always positive and one they totally destroyed a hotel room but later is is always spoke very highly of you've harley and very appreciative for what they did together and i thought harley really added a lot to vader's presentation when you oh hell yeah absolutely absolutely it. Give it gave leon different dimension. It gave the opportunity for leon side meaning leon harley the chance chance to cheat to give extra heat and lowered hardly could do things are distracted the referee very easily you only fron maintenance up on the apron dislike us as a twenty year old kid and draw the referee over and while the referee was dealing with harley on the apron leon would cheat get heat you the heels of a four hundred pound. He'll kent big scorn brazely. You gotta figure out different ways to set up the match and being a chicken sheet. He'll at four hundred pounds and i'm going to fit the bill hardly knew that and he always hard i always thought harder gays leon great advice great coaching and he cared about leon because at the end of the day the old school says the moreover leon gets the more money he's gonna make wheels making money and his role facilitated by harley harder to make money it goes back to cash creative hard. It was a big asset there. I thought was a really advisable part of the success of eight or had there in w._c._w. Harley race as a seven times heavyweight champion of the world. You wrestled sold every great athlete in this sport and you've defeated them. Who in your career would compare to this man mr ross. There's not a man there's is not a man ever been in wrestling or it's gonna be that i can see that compares to this man right here. He is the ultimate athlete today four hundred and fifty pound six foot five the most natural athlete that i ever had the pleasure of being around or being associated rated with and thank god. I never had to wrestling. This is the ultimate athlete. I know that the chair that's being hit you with did not faze you. A stinger splash slash did not faze you. I'm not so sure that it can even apply the scorpion death lock but i do know you have a statement to make to the world champion mr now sir feeder fears. There's no man in the world had just seen better fields. No pay for the first time i hurt you. In the ring was for free next time you have to pay later and you have to pay him with a lot. The world heavyweight championships thing that's what the price is ladies and gentlemen. The contracts have been signed for the heavyweight championship of the world at four hundred fifty pounds. He will outweigh the champion some two hundred pounds again. I repeat how can sting overcome those odds. The manamet continues after this one of the creative things that was discussed. Allegedly salihi is that <hes> steve austin was going to be next to be mentored by harley race and dusty rhodes told him that that's what he had pencilled in for him next and that he would be the challenging and become the united states champion with harleys tutelage and of course we know steve would go on to win that but without harley because instead they became the hollywood hollywood blinds your good friends with steve. Do you think steve was disappointed. He didn't get to work with early on a more regular basis. Absolutely no doubt about it. Steve's historian dorian steve's an old soul. He loves wrestling honeymoon busted open <hes> this week and i'm kind of hooked to that show i love it. You know i watch i listen every day just about and when i'm home i do or i'm around my radio or i can. I do and see was a studio guest. There did a great job on the david greco and above dudley and he talked a little bit about that but steve's historian. He's an old soul pro football the best stories that steve ever told me he shared a little bit of it today on busted artists weakened busted open with that you know rodman the back seat that big cadillac will hard-driving lucky a._j. Foyt our junior or senior or whatever <hes> leon rode shotgun shotgun pass the beer and over here. I'm a hostess in the backseat. Listen soaking up information. He loved that environment but he loves those opportunities so to have a more one on one relationship to the point of actually traveling with already race for a guy was stays ability in his mindset wind set his goals perfect as -solutely perfect and so i think that was a wouldn't asking for big disappointments in his career that the deal hardly and himself in w._c._w. Did not come full circle. We should mention that <hes> believe it or not. Harley has more matches in one thousand nine hundred ninety three <hes>. He's going to actually step bannon substitute for an injured vader to face flair. I think these go down on the twenty six twenty seventh and twenty eighth when they're in davie florida orlando florida jacksonville florida and then unfortunately in nineteen ninety-five harley is involved in a a a pretty horrific boating accident forces amount of wrestling altogether for awhile he's gotta have hip replacement surgery which along along with <hes> other injuries that have accumulated over the years even prevents him for being a manager and you sort of mentioned at the top of the show harley was a speed damon whether it was you know the various car crashes or this boat crash <hes> he he knew he knew one speed and that was wide open adrenaline junkie okay an adrenalin junky kid that grows up then get a high school. Diploma has nothing he's weifeng of the ass of a morbidly obese human being always hungry and whining he phases do's and sony started making money could have better things and faster cars and faster boats. He took advantage of it. I think he always felt like a little bit because you've got so many bullets. They might be living on borrowed time anyway. Luckily that did not come to fruition and hardly little nice law. I think i think cardi was seventy. Six passed away. I used to our conrad my age right now when i was younger outside man. I'll take seventy six any day not so much right now. Let's review with those numbers but that's the thing thing about. I think he had a i think he kind of knew he kind of knew that you had died so many bullets. It was inevitable that something's going to happen that boat then that boat accent was horrific ethic how he survived. That's bitch. I'll never know i really don't some says you think hard to go to heaven. I said well if you believe in heaven inhale. I think he'll go to heaven because the good lord had plenty of chances to take him all along we just waited and waited a saving it and and <hes> the effect effect that was it got to no longer and that was a blessing in our lives of course we talked about harley race being the king of wrestling and maybe that was a rib but wasn't a rib is that harley race was wrestling royalty us go to great friend of the show and my co host on eighty three weeks mr eric bischoff to tell a story about his memories of the respect that harley race carried in wrestling you know like so many legends <hes> that many of us have grown up watching and then very few of us have been fortunate enough to work with highly race stands out for a lot of different reasons one in particular though <hes> was the level of respect that i think harley race commanded when he walks into a room and it was respecting a couple of different levels obviously his legacy as one of the industry's top guys was probably the catalyst for a while all of that respect but it went beyond that and my first exposure to it was really like so many things in the awa <hes> when i i really really started in the backstage part of the business you know when i when i first got the awa i was on. I was in the office. I wasn't really anywhere near the backstage the stage area so i didn't see what went on behind the curtain of speak when that change and i was finally involved in production. Certainly i get to see much more about the industry than i previously had and one of the things that i remember the most was going into in arena in rochester minnesota where the awa was producing their show for e._s._p._n. At the time and there was a lot of off laughing and joking super bowl you know pre show banter that went on in the locker room at that time and it was i won't i won't call it kind of a frat that house environment but it it may have been close and i specifically remember. I wasn't a part of that. Certainly i was young. I was new to the business. I was still what kind of an outsider and and green is to be on top of that but i remember what hurry race arrived at the arena and walked walked backstage into the room. It's got quiet and it got quiet in a way that was obvious to me even at the time without without really knowing harley or his history. It was obvious to me. Harley race commanded respect. It wasn't that everybody in the locker. Room was fearful full of a harley because he didn't carry himself that way but he was one of those rare individuals even if you didn't know him when he walked walked into the room he commanded your attention and he commanded your respect right. I think that's one of the things to me at least that i'll always remember a harley. What are we initially and of course later on w._c._w. I had the opportunity to work with harley. When he managed <hes> big van vader and invader could be volatile could be a handful he like you know sometimes challenge are when they reach the top of the food chain <hes> they can be a little temperamental and and and there was no different than that but harley was always the voice of reason with again later. I think it was for that very same reason. I'm not going to suggest that leon white. Aka big was afraid of harley physically. Not i'm not going to it just wasn't either in either case you know harley race was really the one calming <hes> tool in the toolbox when it came to managing big data and and again it was all about respect and we should mention that he got to affect a lot of other people and he got to be in their lives a lot longer because twenty years ago he started wwl w the world league wrestling promotion iran shows mostly right there in missouri and about a year after that so nineteen years ago or so he starts the harley race wrestling academy where he's gonna a train folks to become professional wrestlers and they've had quite a few talent come through those doors over the years. Yeah well great hands on in a hands is on treatment. How do you get a better coach than that really saying you think michael jordan can teach you any fundamentals of basketball the ball i think he can or he hadn't played along. I think he can trust me on that one. So that was hard as deal. He was so gifted creatively gifted gifted he had a great foundation for life as far as how he worked his bookings and his travel and and all these things that you would think a guy with no education whatsoever and didn't know how to offer to computer at that time whatsoever how he made it and he did because he found a way he always hardy rates always found a way and that's one of the great things we can learn from the highly race story folks if you want it badly enough no matter what it is it. Is your girlfriend your significant other. Whatever the hell is your your job you're looking for. It is possible it is possible if you just just don't give up and does. She told me that time you turn your jersey kid off the team. Hari never wanted to turn his jersey. In hardy ended up just doing card shows and they finally got relegated to wheelchair she no. We didn't want that but he would not sure asking right now. You'll get a direct line to him up there. He would say i wouldn't change a damn thing well i. I can't say that we in the show on a better note than that but i feel the obligation our listeners to let them participate. We guys to ask some questions or certainly gonna hit that now but before we do i do want to ask you know he. He's obviously a hall of famer goes in the hall of fame fifteen years ago. What do you think his legacy is. Gonna be in professional wrestling when all of a sudden don't oh man it all be good. I mean it's just your cow. You wake up that morning. I guess or asked that question. I look at him as is a <hes> <hes> a br he he built he built. He helped build the end of a brand he was a he was amazing. Representative genitive globally to what pro wrestling should be because he was a wrestler. I i found it funny. I read online online where karl gotch said harley race's spot monkey but anything above overhand wrist lock or double wrist lock or something <hes> carl probably would think a little bit weak does he was really a unique cat but he's a guy that went it from no hospital education man thank about that nowadays. He became the best in the world at his craft. Without a formal education he became the best best in the world at a very unique craft through his god given abilities and his will to survive and to become the best ever he did both he did all those things and it just again tells you that if you really want something bad enough you can happen. You can't make excuses. He didn't make any excuses. He wouldn't worry colostomy bag. You take some bitch out off offer or august somebody else type deal and he would have found a doctor in kansas city to do it. He was beloved there and he wanted to live more for your life a man's. This man didn't want to carry around a glossy bay. I know you have to sometimes. I'll get that didn't make you listen man but for some people that can't handle it in hardly races that was was one of those guys and so all the shit he endured in in all the surgeries good god almighty and so hard to change his expression he he may he may have been. Maybe mrs calling poker professional. I don't know he pool. I wrote this tweet that if he goes to heaven he he says i got next to the fuel taste better. Let him have it because rick will tell you all all kinds of this is the hardest favorite deal it walk into a bar beer joint pool table quarters quarters lying on a table who's got next next next so forth one pool table and the bar it walk it take that big tan swipe all the money off the table go everywhere and then he'd put his quarter on there then then the escort will be the only one on the table and you look around at all. These guys are looking at me like they know what the hell to do and i've got next. I got next and nobody said shit because he wanted to fight him. He wanted somebody to challenge his alpha male ism but very little happened and the other thing he had already had one of a great knockout punches all time they talk about guys. Marciano had a great punch. You know one us forty nine dollars. A boxer always dollars knock ass fortysomething the heartache hardest-punching power from guys that i know that were boxing people so he was a frequent nature where this putnam punching power and you can watch him you can't i don't where'd you get that. Power is just legs. Shoulders got big. You know four hours what it is it. I don't know what it is. He's a lot like danny hodge the sense that he's a frequent nature but the but doesn't look like one but his reputation he's he represented so proudly helped so many people always had time to to help people. I remember the coolest story. I had harley wanting to these questions district sector people he he had a spot show in a suburb of tulsa of ten years ago i think and he brought his little crew down to the some junior gym or something like that and sand springs and wanted me to come over and i came over from norman is about a two hour drive and i did a <hes> welcome and a meet and greet and sign some autographs and and so forth and at the end the night a diesel crowd not no bala christmas residents diesel a proud and he says you know what here you're not pay pay off so no own hardy. I ain't taking your money but she worked. I know i enjoyed every minute. I got see you smoked cigarette with you again. So i'm not taking your money. At least it'd be pay for your gas. I said no. I'm good man. I really am filled up for got here so he he was. He wasn't offended by handle. It very very carefully conrad because those guys like retail but i should respect what declined pay because i think it's five hundred bucks or something and so we're going to move back into the kitty for his people themselves so he always remember that he tells you that. He told me that a lot. I'll never forget you doing that. We talked a little earlier today about maybe some issues shoes with the fox and the briscoes harley was maybe the monkey in the middle in that whole mass for the world title so i thought we needed to talk about where harley may be stacked up as the n._w._e._a. World champion and who better to do that than somebody who had first hand knowledge one of the briscoe brothers himself ladies and gentlemen joining us is now to talk about harley race where he was in the pecking order hall of famer mister jerry briscoe harley race <hes> you'll everybody everybody looks at holiday race and and said that's gotta be the toughest man on the world and the way he delivered his promos <hes> were or right right to the point look look in the eye through that television screen and and work in the rain was <hes> was just dynamic and and a ah at a one step but it was so solid that you know that you could say it was steph but at you got used to at harvey was a control that and harley charlie wouldn't hurt you are the harder it was a great professional but you know most most of the fans and most of the even most of the rafters yes <hes> live with the process of harvey being <hes> tough and been made this man in the world and cubs man in the world just just by his his work. I and it's promos skill which was an asset for any professional lesser to have and that's what harvey was was a professional wrestler. He wasn't show is for professional wrestling. Oh school to me the last of the great <hes> you know i put <hes> harley dory and jack and early terry in integrates and to me a lot of the other ones were just rent a champion at at as it was the w get all that <hes> we need this guy to get over in our territory okay well. We'll bring somebody will put more. They'd be world champion getting more so they were kinda. Ran a chip it's but the real workhorses of of of of this business will was dory jack and harley and <hes> and they're they're my five three favorites and i of course i love luke. 'cause i came along this time. Lou was winding down. A gene gene was a big brutal guy. That was just a big big monster and i don't think he was that grade of champion. Entering champion where he was a young could have massive data by because jean gene because of jeans size at hardy jack doherty they all had the size but they had the skill to to get on the scale to get on the on on the <hes> in in squared circle and and and have a match with anybody that that's what separated these three guys in my opinion to <hes> to <hes> <hes> all the other champions that come along after and before them they were able to have different matches with different people every night are have different airport masses with the same person every night as jack can hardly and jack and dory <hes> had all the time may do our broadway and it was a different our broadway where some of these guys have ever retained yet. Take the face bad. Take off the top rope all that stuff you know where where you guys. They've never met on stories that were the people were buying at night so as far as credibility and ring a hardy has so much credibility credibility with me but har hardly had had had to have that skill like i said to convince people that he was the toughest face of the earth and and also <hes> eight not convinced the people but he convinced he bench guys even work with all hardly had to do to you to freeze would would give me give you that stare right. I saw harley. Give that stare across the ring and it skidded make you want to go back and change your takasu. Excuse so bad so already had that ability to intimidate people so you know all the people all the fans and and and a lot of it bonner detente. I don't know what the toughest some visit ever walked base there but all it was through hardy's ability to convince him in the ring and then promos which which which is a great asset but i saw a live person livening color then person and and harley race was one of the toughest guy that they walk but he was one of the most passionate one of the best friend that you could ever have to analyze our harley race. Give my brother jack a big hug up there. When did you say wow thanks for taking the time today to catch up with us and celebrate <hes> one of the all time greats one of the top threes you said when the last real world champions and than it is kinda cool to know that somewhere right now jack in harley or maybe going two out of three falls tell us <hes> <hes> about the famous story of <hes> owen hart allegedly back in the day a lot of the guys whenever they were in harleys territory corey <hes> when they're working with w._b._f. They would come by and visit with harley and he and his wife would make a bunch of barbecue and harley had this famous spaghetti and the legend goes that owen dumped a bunch of hot sauce into this chili and it was unbearably hot to the point that it's really not even fit for consumption anymore. Once wants harley realized it was a rib he showed up at monday night raw and when he green an hour on a yeah that that was a cyber giving the taser the the the most scared to say in oklahoma sometime party in alabama too scared more scared. Did i ever saw anybody was harley. That goddamn taser chasing teddy long hardy low teddy long and dan what's not to love theodore and that i think he had a switch net down thing where it was shock you but it also could be just flip a switch or just made the noise of being shocked. You know what i'm saying. They're scary noise so he get by and teddy not even the elect juice on and make the noise the <hes> of the taser behind his ear inertia. He never seen a man run so fast mussa fast teddy he's gone. He's died and he and he you would do that. When i was a great parts of earlier around he always made thanks guys. Were just happy to see him. He did shit like that to just you know honoring this but he still was that <hes> that loving guy that that over the daycare that just never quite grew up and he loved the st that we talked about the cars the boats you know <hes> is side deals. It's entrepreneurial chip so i don't know he just he was a guy he he was very offended. He took a lot of pride in those cookouts he after the guys they did for years ears hit do cooked a brisket or bunch of ribs or something that make desserts and all that stuff and he had a pool table in his basement so he would play pool and drink beer eat tiller their gluttony <hes> so but he was such a great host and he will love being around the guys is he loved the wrestling business. He loved the people in the wrestling business and it was always proud that he was one of them. Not only was just one of them. He he was the best one of them all because he was a traveling orel champion. He didn't work the money not r- r. a. w. this or whatever he he traveled the world working several nights a week globally with travel not nearly as refined as it is now and all all those things but he he was last really over the top successful traveling champion and you can't compare to buy in today's market to that because as much as i would like to say how many days a year they worked themselves martyrs. It wasn't nearly like it was his era. It just wasn't travel. There was a lot more challenging then than it is now and he was just i saw rik smits is recruiting are talking today about harley or do record a show. You know that that was the whole thing. The boys respect harleys overwhelming because rick did that traveling to he knows exactly last like i had mini mini conversation the late jack brisco about that and understood his side of it. Nobody likes those extended. Stay away from home and they're trying to monetize every night's pay as best they could good and they did that to the side deals and they do that cardi deal with baba and they did it by getting over and sell them tickets and ernest pay days. Let's <hes>. Let's get twitter just to gas to ask us. Some questions and one of the questions was exactly answered right there and this is the one i was going to start with wadad sports illustrated colin the last world champion and do you agree but clearly you do and that one came to us from caleb. Let's talk about another question here from ryan crandall. We've heard lots of legendary stories. About what a bad ass mr race wise but can you tell us the story showing his softer side look children and no matter when you saw harley he would always ask about your family. Family's the big to him and that may sound ironic those because hardy had multiple marriages. I can raise my that one and he felt guilty realty. Because all the travel i can also relate to that and he tried to make up for lost time harlow children and he just he just had a soft heart. He had a soft heart for guys that were owned down on her luck software for guys almost ready to quit the business because else. They just didn't think they could make it now that they didn't get the push. They needed as always somebody else in hollywood. Have those saw spot moments that you're talking about what talents that this felt like god almighty. I can't hardly saved a lot of quitting and giving supporters and how to get better what they do and should do better what you do. You might get over make some money. He was a good teacher. Never got impatient patient. He didn't have short tempered. He'd give you an answer your question in ethically but he was patient to give you an answer. We'll give you the second answer. If you ask another question another question here from twitter this comes to us from hawk fan rumor has it hardly cabinda bottle cap between his fingers if true jay over witness this never did witness. I don't doubt it. I know it could open a beer with there's teeth that was easy for him but that does not surprise me. Again is going to be hard for some people to believe going back and look at classic. Hardy race tate's the fact that in that greensburg match where vertical suplex andre the giant. He always had uncanny strength. Thank obviously the the mystery of it was. He didn't look like he had it looked like tony atlas or somebody he but he was was of bad motor scooter good telling you and that's kind of what stuck up a lot of guys go into a bar rick rick all the quarters office quarter on there and then the then the tough guy. The bar sees a guy. That's not huge big bulging muscles. They give them a try then. He assumes he's right handed and boom. Let's go out. Hardy loved knocking could people out he really did he really did well. Let's talk about that <hes>. What can you recommend some of our listeners. Knock out on the w w network is there one match or one moment or one angle in particular as you would recommend everybody. Go back and check out on the w._w. Network yeah go beca. Look that <hes> the the match made ric flair who calls it started it ended ended an era the race era and it launched the career of arguably the greatest ended the chances of all time hand crafted and designed nine because i'm sure i'll hear you that a known nate <hes> <hes> that hardly call that match in late al out the mass. Yes i call where you hear and katelyn spot or junior. Harley was the general and that match shows you how to put somebody over sure but before they beat you you look like a champion so then when you lose the guy you're anointing actually exit looks better than he should and that was his gift he always made everybody look better than they were but on this occasion he did an amazing job there but any of those matches so stuff look on the houston site of the w network and there's a lot of great message for fall bosh down easton but i always go back to the original the one that put it's like a it's like a ah not the guy but i'm the guy that beat the guy harvey was the guy and he made rick what ricky is got launched and it made rick in of course harleys endorsement by doing that opened the door to every n._f. N._w._e._a. office in the world 'cause it hardly the flair had harleys endorsement and that carried a lot of weight with the promoters who thought rick might have been the best candidate with rick dusty into deviancy deviancy cost requisite party guide. You know he's changed. Exchanges started rick did more thank going off his feet voluntarily more than anybody preceding him in that title. Take this different things and <hes> some some old school guys didn't like the sizzle more steak little. Do they know till they saw that. The nature could deliver ralph stick at eight and we hope that you guys are eaten up overdoing here on the show next week. We're going to bring me bring you a q. and a. episode and in the following week we're visiting visiting summer slam oh nine and we're going around the month out visiting the one and only seeing pong <hes> stay tuned for the rest of the month year grilling j._r. but before you know it may and august seventeenth is going to be here and you and i are going to be getting together right there in charlotte north carolina all around friends tickets are on sale now ajay or conrad dot com. If you're out of the loop this is the gathering with t mart promotions and we expect a lot of the legends professional wrestling to be there and don't you miss it. You're going to be able to get to see some of those legends interact with j._r. J._r. I imagine there's gonna be some moscow. Mules town on august seventeenth and charlotte is that right. Yes sir as a matter of fact just to get ready for saturday. I'm getting there on friday afternoon. 'cause i want to get practice on it. I'll get my drinking arm loosened up so i can bring the heat on saturday. <hes> it's gonna be a lot of fun. There's so many talents her other promoters disadvant- done amazing job of securing talents what's and it's loaded <hes> you know to the girls that i work with mid south ladies missy hyatt and dark journey are going to be there and i. I haven't seen those two together in the same place in gali maybe thirty years so i'm looking forward to moments like that. It'll kurt angle's going to be there a lot of other to me to name but <hes> it's going to be a funding. I mean i'm going to try to bring barbecue sauce or saturday our show and awesome <hes> s and phone with that so you want us to sauce. I'll have some sauce and their jerky is a seasoning so it'll be it'll be a fun time a good good time. We'll be have all j._r. Conrad dot com have your tickets. We can tell lots of stories that we can't tell here on the show and you get to pick the brain of the voice of wrassling. It's it's j._r. Conrad dot com. It's august seventeenth right there in charlotte north carolina. It's going to be a great time and we should mention that. The real main event of the summer is coming up out before you know it at the end of this month you are going to be in chicago labor day weekend and stark asked his back you'll be doing meet and greet by yourself and some with jerry lawler collar and who knows how many more of those will be allowed to do but the main event on friday night people are really excited about that. Jon moxley is the hottest act and professional wrestling. He's going to be onstage with a live my talking to you. This is going to be something else as an aunt. Yeah actually see how we're going to as <hes> i was just curious because what the artists could face this guy and this is <hes> unpredictability. It's going to be interesting. How john on reacts unquestioning. He's he's. He's a unique dude man. He's finally free to be himself whether his whether he himself is what you like are. You don't like i don't know so. Do you folks. I like it by the way but i'm biased too so ticket for us work but i'm looking forward to that because he and i have never ever done anything together. <hes> and i am looking forward to <hes>. I'm looking forward to to work with him. I like his work and he's gonna have more brand aid of your lot. He said he hasn't even hit us. Jon moxley hasn't even hit his stride yet. He don't know how good he can be so we're going to find out though and so i look for the chat there you your lowest thing up man you. You're doing a good job of booking. Desi wrote to be proud of you. You're you're making your own stargate. Call star cast there. You go check it out. 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He was one of the toughest guys in wrestling in that era and Dave meltzer is going to be joining us in the second segment of the show. We'll talk all about life and times of Harley race. He was inducted into the hall of fame the N._W._e._a.. Hall of fame the professional wrestling hall of fame the Wrestling Observer Hall of fame one of the greatest wrestlers of all time. If you have memories of Harley race welcome to give us a call here today on the show eight four four four eleven five four eleven is the phone number is eight four four four four eleven at five four eleven. You can send your text messages to four to five seven eight zero seven five six six. There's all sorts of stuff up on on the w network with Harley race. If you WANNA see some of his championship matches title changes with Ric Flair and others. It's all up there on the W network my presumption is we'll have a lot of stuff on Harley race on W._B._Z.. Programming over the next week or so I'd be stunned if we did not and obviously a lot to talk about on on at wrestling observer dot com as well so more on Harley race coming up later on in the program today also everything that's going on in wrestling the announcement mints will has not been officially announced but it does appear that the MS Indulge Ziglar not taking place because Goldberg will be facing dolls ziglar at Summer Slam A._M.. We got more on the all out show coming up the G. One ratings and so much more and we will kick it off after the break wrestling observer live mm-hmm <music> at Ace. We believe there's nothing better than helping helping kids. 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The show right now is here wrestling observer live via also wrestling observer dot com as noted in the opening segment literally right as we were going on the air. We got word Harley race of the all time greats in professional wrestling passed away apparently today don't have a lot of details have been reported that he was battling lung cancer although others had denied that and he'd been hospitalized specialized of late and there was a report coming out of that hospital hospitalization that did not sound great and today it appears that that he passed away a believe earlier today. We'll get more details here. As the day goes on they meltzer joining us in the second segment of the show to talk more about Harley race racist noted the opening segment all time all time legend professional wrestling hall of Famer in every hall of fame that has a hall of fame and multi time time and w.h champion worked for the Awa W._C._W.. W._W._f.. He been promoting his own organization up until I believe a year or two ago <hes> he had still been doing that and trained all sorts of people and I don't even know what else say about Harley race but my thoughts on the king a hall of Famers <hes> Hall of Famer he really is <hes> <hes> started his career <hes> driving around Happy Humphrey one of the original Fatman the seven hundred pound unhappy Humphry <hes> and you know even before that the story a Harley race that the legendary tough guy he was expelled from school for knocking out the principal who tried to break up a fight which is how he ended up getting interesting anyway <hes> badgered the the VISCO brothers the originals viscose now Larry's visco go stanislas Bisco and and started working for them ended up doing more work on the farm for them then he really actually did any wrestling training ends up hooking up with Gus Karras who's a name that historians would know <hes> for his work in the central states area and being a promoter there and and the story of Harley race and I'm sure Dave will tell the story. You're probably going to hear a lot of people tell the story and I'm not sure how many people know it of harleys career almost never got started because at the age of eighteen he was working and I think it was in Tennessee and he got into a car the accident but tragic car accident he killed his first wife and it was so bad that he almost lost his leg and doctors were going to amputate the leg and Karras had rushed us to the hospital and if it was not for him stopping doctors from cutting off Harley race's leg the <unk> entire course of wrestling history have changed and he did not get back into the ring. That's a badly he was hurt. He did not get back into the ring until nineteen sixty four when he went to Amarillo to work for the funk family and I believe it was there that he hooked up with her <hes> Larry haning running which then of course led to his run in the AWA and that run <hes> as pretty boy Harley race and and and handing and race and being he called the Dolly Sisters by the Bruiser and crusher that started off everything and then of course that leads to the legendary run in the end of U._A.. Because those of his reputation that he had already built where he ended up being the stopgap measure between Dory phone junior and Jack Brisco when funk either either got into a wreck on the ranch and hurt himself or just did not want to give up the title on that day to Jack Brisco they made sure he was going to give up the title title when he was quote. Unquote cleared the comeback by putting Harley race in the ring with him and that started off his eight time rain as N._W._e._a.. w.h champion and that of course legendary in itself and you're GonNa hear a lot of tributes you're gonNA hear a lot about Harley race and he deserves every single one one of them and probably more of them so very very sad situation he had been very sick for a long time he had been running. <hes> W L W <hes> which was his training center in. I believe I can't remember exactly where it was. It was somewhere in Missouri out there Eldon Missouri. I believe that it was he had a deal with no of the promotion gain some traction when Noah was blowing up and where she moves coming over here to the United States <hes> that was probably probably the peak of Harley to my knowledge Kinda cranking guys Trevor Murdoch being one of those guys Harley Love Trevor Murdoch <hes> he was one of those guys is it came out of there and there were a few others as well too but they did have a nice alliance knowing that ended up seeing Takeshi more Shema I believe when he was still global. Honored Crown Champion can come over and work in Eldon Missouri and Harley was a integral part of him getting a couple of W._W._e.. Tryout matches. I think on Youtube those as matches are available where he get more Sheba coming out if I'm not mistaken using earthquakes music or something like that I believe that's what it was but regardless he just an absolute all time legend and I mean again. You've never heard he almost everything said about Harley. Race is in complete superlatives of of how great he was how tough he was how fast he drove. You never hear anybody really say how big of a bastard he was or anything anything like that. Almost all of the stories are positive and man. There's going to be a ton of them to come out from his visual twitter account today. At twelve fifty we lost a man that fought up till the very last of his existence more information will be released soon but just know that he loved pro wrestling in the fans that loved him Harley race. We From Dave I don't even know how Goldberg is avenging his performance against the undertaker and he's going to come back here and he's going to probably destroyed Dolf Ziegler in about thirty seconds and is going to be an old Goldberg match our guests. I don't think they're going to go eight minutes. I could be wrong. I don't know what they're going to do but I wouldn't be surprised. Let's just put it this way. I don't think that this is Goldberg's last match. I also don't think Goldberg is going to be a regular but I do think that you're going to be seeing Goldberg every now and then show up and massacre somebody who's not really doing much and sending everybody home happy so that appears to be the match for Summer Slam good those baffling story and this is nothing against you but the first thing that I thought of when he started to incorporate Goldberg's name name was he was gonNA face Colbert for two reasons the biggest one being I think Goldberg wants to get the the taste of Saudi Arabia out of his mouth and never see everything thing that went sideways in the in the goal in the undertaker match but also because we know Shawn Michaels really doesn't WanNa Russell. We've seen that and yes he t she took the super kick and then okay that was that he added Mick Foley's name which I took his like some sort of you know <hes> salt in the is there <hes> <hes> a distraction he was already laid out by the fiend. We already saw that. The Goalpara thing just made sense and I am. I think most baffled by the guy or whoever it was from W._w._f.. Were W._W._e.. That call Dave and was like I can't believe you crack the code. Look I mean are they that yes I guess they are. They have their head in the sand that much I guess as far as like what they think they're doing is just like such incredibly high drama in just so baffling for everybody to to comprehend will in some ways it is actually baffling to comprehend because that seemed like the most obvious match especially for a guy like Dolf ziglar who well dude. He may really just leaning back there in the first place because they needed somebody to go to Saudi Arabian owns wouldn't go duty mentioned his name and like three straight interviews I mean how could you not think I think that was a possibility like how can you be surprised if someone you knew it's not going to be shown if it's not going to be the MS that left seth rollins ain't GonNa be seth. Rollins already has a match the exact and it's not going to be fully because he can't get cleared. I mean this is not like strong protective order here. I just yeah I mean big congratulations on your sleuth sleuth work there but then again I just. I don't know I'm amazed by W._W._e.. Sometimes they're really him back. In the day or wrestling observer live look at Ace. We believe there's nothing better than helping kids. That's why we've been proud to support children's Miracle Network Hospitals for over twenty thirty five years this Friday through Sunday get our five gallon bucket and twenty percent off almost anything that fits inside when you donate five dollars to support children's miracle network hospitals and like the case cmnhospitals our local so the money you donate helps kids near you. 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They built their joining us here today for the show Oh under sad circumstances here and before he came on Dave somebody texted this January twenty four nineteen eighty-one Final Roy Shire car to the Cow Palace Final Match Harley Race Pat Patterson says I'm certain Dave Meltzer was there. I was there believes may have been a count out in knotty double d q you remember that match. I think it was double count yeah yeah I mean it was a really good match. It was <hes> you know Patterson and just won the battle royal earlier in the show. Oh get the championship match and yeah it was the last we didn't know if the last card wish I was going to promote because they announced a new date you know and then the television was off the air and and and it was done because he didn't want to fight vern Ganja would come into territory starting to run at Better T._V. and access to bigger stars so so <hes> yeah that would have been the last match that <hes> Shire ever promoted. It was very good match tells about the life of Harley race all time <music> Hall of Famer. Oh are they race when the greatest of all time for sure <hes> there's so much to be said he was a no it was known as a tough guy a tough streetfighter. He started around progressing at the age of fifteen. He was like <hes> he used to work on the farm of Stanislas Bisco who was like a legendary wrestler in at the turn of the century and <hes> was probably in the ring you know as a teenager for sure and was a big star. He was born born in forty three so he was a star by the age of about ninety nine I think and <hes> it get a big run. When he was in his early twenties Awa Larry Hennig the they were nicknamed the Dolly Sisters they were the Awa world champions and their feud with bruiser and crusher it really helps with the Awa on the math and made the Awa tag team title and do you know what for years was considered the number one tag team title in pro wrestling and then after for leaving the Awa he went back home to the central states he bought into promotion? He was the biggest star there was a headliner for years fifteen seventeen years in St Louis <hes> which was probably the top wrestling city in the country at the time and then got his first world title and seventy three being dory from I'm junior which was quite the story because <hes> Dory was supposed to lose to Jack Brisco. There was the ranch accident just days before the match everyone was he's got the clothes if they're accident was real or not and they didn't really trust the funks in N._W._e._a.. was falling apart in some ways and <hes> the funks greatly respected race everyone did and so the when when Dora came back <hes> to wrestle he wrestled a few matches in his territory territory but they ordered him to drop the title race right away in Kansas City which did they had a nice dispute finish but he did do it and that started race was only supposed to be the guy to get the title <hes> it was a lot of manipulations going on. I think that Dorje senior didn't want <hes> Dorey Story Junior to lose to Jack Brisco although door senior died right at you know very shortly after this match in a heart attack and racist job was to hold the title short period of time and lose to Jack Brisco who was the guy they wanted to be the champion but he did so well in that. I guess it was about seven weeks is champion. He became everywhere. He went <hes> and the N._W._e._a.. Championship was a big deal at the time anyway everywhere he went he got over <hes> huge huge in and he was essentially a legend in the business from that point on everywhere he went. He was atop guy always a top contender for the world title <hes> when Briscoe Briscoe decide to give up the title it came down to the only two guys that were even considered where race and Terry Terry Punk God it then race was promised that after Terry funk gave it up that he would get it he got it held it for four years. There were those the one we things in between but I mean censor- support your runs. The top guy in the business all over the wrestled wrestled all over the world. Probably the most traveled champion because he went to Japan all the time he went to New Zealand and he went to Australia. You went to Mexico which only he says is ever went to as far as N._W._e._a.. World champions as far as I can recall <hes> and went to other other places around the world so <hes> get he you know he he was probably the you know recognized as world champion and more places independent in more places than any world champion of that era as far as more companies as any world champion possibly of all time and <hes> that was kind of his legacy and you know he's still around the business the rest of his life training wrestlers and and <hes> running his own local promotion and <hes> having Japan Super Legend in Japan as well as the United States tells the story of Win Vince in stride to essentially steal the title so that was in nineteen eighty three this was about to go national and Harley race was the w world champion he'd beaten Ric flair in St Louis with the idea that he would have a short run and then he would wear would when It's teams I think eighteen yeah very early in his career <hes> in his career that they thought his career was over that at that point and you know ended up Rushland for the next thirty one years so even after he was attacked by Vincent McMahon he still came in three years later the money at that point. They didn't trust him. 'cause there was a situation I think you know it's one of these Hogan story so you never know but but I had heard the story when it happened and not from Hogan but <hes> they had come to <hes>. I think it was probably Kansas City runner show W._f._A._N.. Harley went to the show and he was the opposite promoter order of the local promotion and story is that he pulled a gun on cogan scared coca death. <hes> you know like you guys shouldn't be here. This is my territory toy. That was kind of like the mentality at the time but like a year or two later <hes> you know the company lost so much money and Harley went to inst- and said you know <hes> can I come in I and of course he was a superstar brought him in but they didn't trust him against like they could have gone in with Harley race in Hogan right away and certain parts of the country that would it's been like a dream match with eating with it right away because they were he didn't fully trust Harley when they finally went Hogan's finally trusted Harley they worked and they worked everywhere in hoping beat them everywhere. It was not as big a program as they had hoped for especially St Louis and Kansas City 'cause really harleys or had had dropped by the time this like eighty six. <hes> you know a few years earlier I think Hogan and Harley would have been amazed. They really didn't <hes> but yeah yeah it was that houseguest story to mice couple more quick one. I would have a couple of years with the one I'd say is I guess put a little capsule on the story of of Harley and Jerry lawler when he actually became the king and how much controversy that stirred up and how much of a headache you was against for the W._W._f.. Trying to run in Tennessee where he couldn't be the King Yeah <hes> they he won this <hes> King of the Ring Tournament and they named him that the king they wanted to give him a moniker and actually I mean the funny thing is is <hes> Harley took a big compliment king of wrestling but when they did it and no one few people people know it but it was told me he was actually to make fun of him because he took hardly took being the best restaurant in the world seriously I'll always remember the story and Ribera Steakhouse Boggling. Oh you know had told me and showed it to me there. Was this this. I don't think it's there anymore but in the eighties when I went there in nineteen where I remember <hes> there's this poster I post a framed photo it's Harley race and nick boggling each with their belts and end up about Awa belt and and it's <hes> <unk> Harley signs it <hes> Harley race six time real R. E. A. L. Capital letters exclamation point world champion in Nick Stein's is McLaughlin goal semi real world champion so Harley Yeah Harley took that world title very very seriously <hes> so <hes> wrestler on God's Green Earth that's right greatest restaurant God's Green Earth that was his nickname yeah that he gave himself so they made him the king of the ring and then so then Tennessee see story is Jerry Lawler trademarked the king in Tennessee so they actually had a court fight and Jerry lawler one so in that Karen Win Harley race race worked in that area King Harley race because Jerry Lawler David WanNa thanks so much noon the show. 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I never make him up those funny. This great texts actually says what's dumber Vince trying to take out Harley race or trying to take down on Kurt Angle on an airplane. Answer is simple people like I said this was a great text but it's a stupid question. It's much much dumber to try to attack Harley race because when you're on an airplane with Kurt Angle what happened was they just decided that they were going to have like a a little competition and they were playing around a- and Vince was trying to take down Kurt Angle and clearly he failed and obviously like Kurt snuck in a hurt the guy he's just GonNa win and they'll have a laugh laugh about it in a drink and everything's fine trying to attack Harley race not a game just being very upset that and and going after the guy. I mean you're asking for it. If you end up in the hospital that's on you dude so yes much much much dumber to attack Harley race out of anger then to play a game with Kurt Angle and angle even said that you know he got had a knew what that was with race it was it was it was it was either the elevator of the bathroom and it was the bathroom where he'd spurned him because the star cade yeah. If you look like the original star Kay Promo two or the original program INA Hogan is listed in there against Wa who mcdaniel I think for the southern title or whatever it was they were doing at the time so you know that was November. <hes> that was Thanksgiving is when stark eighty three was an hogan was gone on. I think that rustling at the chase taping which was right in Harley races the heart of the end of U._A.. The heart of Harley races entire wrestling world literally in that he lived in promoted and had a cut there as well to <hes> you know right there only a month later so everything everything was going really fast and Vince was certainly on edge as it started to expand in. He knew it was going to be a big deal in yeah you figure getting Harley race was going to be a massive coup and Vince you know hates being spurned into go after and try to double leg. was I mean it's just one of those insane only wrestling only vince in wrestling type of stories that really is just absolutely nuts. This right here is well what happened manding Sonya's title match during title match was supposed to happen on smackdown. It didn't happen. I mentioned this yesterday. They did AWA dot com exclusive where so who was it. It was <hes> Billy C._k.. Claimed she had puppy fever and just think about how we started this show talking about the legend of Harley race and I'm talking about this Billy K had puppy fever lever so they couldn't wrestle and when they walked off they were being stared down by Mandy Sonia and the Kabuki warriors worse and the plan right now probably it's summer slam is they're going to do a four way with those three teams and Alexa and Nicky Cross so oh that's that's what's going on there. I it's still going to come out with belt aren't they. I hope not I doubt listen. Listen all I know. Is this okay. All I know actually I don't even know I shouldn't even bother seeing the original idea for the match worthy iconex defended the titles was that it was going to be like between thirty seconds and like a minute or something like that so that tells me they probably weren't winning now between now and Summer Slam. I mean when I heard that idea wasn't even a four away so I mean they've already changed the plans but I mean I I suppose they could walk out of it with titles it stupid they need to get the titles in a team. That's GonNa work and can can have good matches and isn't just a gimmick but we'll see the Kabuki warriors need to work with Sonia in Mandy Sonia and Mandy or a big doc future of W._W._e.. I believe that I think given their druthers. They're going to be there for a very long time. They're going to be featured very well if they can come around and be good they even if they don't become enough in the ring it's W._W._e.. But it will help him immensely who better to work with them than than obviously Cari saying who's worked with twelve all of your old in stardom and and the <hes> Of the people to tune in for the first time we're going to be befuddled I think if they do the show like this road to series I watched the one yesterday with Shawn Spears ears and to Lee Blanchard and cody during the contract signing listen if I went up to my wife and I said I'm a show you something okay. Let me know if you're interested in what's to come and I showed her being the elite or I showed her the road to all out okay. She's GonNa be way more into the road to all out then she is being. She's not GonNa have any idea what's going on with being the elite. There's GonNa be a lot of comedy that goes go straight overhead the road to series. It's so simple you can show it to anybody. You can show it to somebody who understands wrestling. You chose somebody who doesn't understand wrestling and they're gonna get what's going on. There's this guy cody. He's training very hard for a match. There's this other Guy Shawn Spears with his slimy manager. They're all there for a contract signing and cody walks in he signed thing and he walks out. It's it's it was the production is spectacular. It's it feels real. They shoot it like it's something that you'd see on E._S._p._N.. Maybe not the contract signing part but the the people looking at the camera talking about being the lawyer and everything like that I mean I think that's going to be more like what you're going to see on the show you're going to see a little bit of Wacky is here and there. They're going to try a lot of different things. That is one thing that I can tell you you for a fact okay. They're not going to go in there and do a bunch of stuff where it's like well. We know that like the smart fans are GonNa like this and what they're gonNA do is. They're going to try a bunch of stuff. Some of the stuff is gonNA work. Oh it's going to work great some of the stuff like the Librarian Marine it's GonNa flop and the whole key is are they going to be able to get rid of the stuff that sucks and push the stuff after this success. I think they're going to do a far better job than W E does because w doesn't care they just do what they want one way or the other. I think the W is going to be a little bit the different in that if the librarian thing doesn't over they ain't going to do it anymore. This sort of that. That's what that's what you can expect to see on the television show some of the stuff you're gonna like and some the stuff you're gonNA hate and that they're just going to be trying things. We'll see what will you do. This is not rocket science. It's to our wrestling show it shouldn't be that damn difficult and all they have to do from being the elite is giving you the best of give you the easiest thing for a non <hes> because not e- Fan or lease what they perceive a non being elite Fan what they would like give them a little bit of that make the rest of it'd be wrestling and everything should really take care of itself. You have enough wacky characters. You have enough things that you need to establish on that. Show with traditional progressing wrestling means at least I it's if they there's no reason and I trust with some of the people that they have there. I am I'm trusting in that. When it comes to the production of this television show I mean I I the thought of it being like being the elite for the whole thing that that's even something that anybody anybody would want or think is a good idea? I mean you could say maybe time has passed me by. I just think it's incredibly stupid and short sighted. I can't and there there are people out there that think the show should be more than anything in with all due respect. That's such a Vince Russo level way to look at things things it really is. I mean if that's what people really want. I at eight W I mean I just I don't know we're we're just not even playing the same game same here. This person says I cut up on smackdown last night. I absolutely loved the story line between Kofi and Randy Orton video package was excellent. Let me say something about me. We hear too because everyone's talking about the road to all out which was excellent W._w._e.. is perfectly capable of doing stuff just as good maybe even better they've got if you look at every single person that they have on each roster like A._W._s.. Has a great great roster but W._B._Z.'s roster you consider like everybody in developmental everybody on the main Rosser everybody they have in the U._k.. Everybody they have under contract. They have the greatest roster and the history of wrestling ever anywhere in the world okay. They have a tremendous production team okay but they don't do that it. You've here let me tell them that. Randy Orton Kofi Kingston thing was awesome and I was doing the filthy show yesterday Friday and I was so excited talk about it. Tom Goes Watch. It sounds like what and the reality is. They do so many generic nothing happening by the numbers boring video packages that he saw that Randy Orton was going to be talk about Kofi Kingston and he just skipped it okay and to be honest. You can't blame the guy right but I watched it. I watched it and it was awesome and and it reminded me of all of the great things that they do on the w network ever watched those W._B._Z.. Twenty four episodes even watched documentaries. They put together on the W network. They're phenomenal and I always hear from people in W._W._e.. And they're you you know they understand the problems and deputy okay some of them. You think we're negative about me. I mean you should talk some of the people that actually work there but anyway the point of this is like there are people there who who you know they they are me they work for me and they want me to succeed and there's part of the the deal with A._W._S.. Or they're like man. I can't believe that like you know people are into this or whatever Blah Blah Blah and they they point out like all of this great thing on these great things that produces and you're right but all that stuff is on the W._b.. Network it's almost never in the body of the show and most people are only watching Rau- or smackdown and a small number of those people to watch Ron smackdown watch annex t they don't even know the stuff exists like this stuff that you guys can do needs to be done on raw and smackdown and let me tell you something if aid w kind of starts to take off utilizing this stuff like all I can hope is it w Egos Dude. We need to put some of this stuff that we do on TV. 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You're listening to wrestling observer live with Bryan Alvarez and Mike Semper v on the Sports Bylined Broadcasting Network Show Brian Elber is year Wrestling Observer Live makes him proverbial wrestling observer DOT COM is personnel here says cody said on busted open radio that he wants to serve the hardcore Awa fans before worrying about attracting new casual fans. We'll see what happens when they run. Television Cody says a lot doesn't it yes they they will be attracting. They will be doing what they can to attract new casual fans. They will not be doing being the lead on T._N._T.. Also said they were going to have amid south in a sporting fields. So cody is going to say a lot in the lead up to this show so maybe maybe and I don't know if anybody knows this. The son of Dusty Rhodes boots a lot of things too. Let's just take a couple of things with a grain of salt and just see what's put on that screen because that's all it's going to matter at the end of the day no matter what they say about anything anything person says you think they should have waited until the first smackdown on Fox for dull versus Goldberg. Well listen like I said I don't. I don't think this is the last thing to see if Goldberg. I don't think he's decided like I'm GonNa do one match to redeem myself for the undertaker match and I'm done like if you're Bill Goldberg and you're being offered third and I'm not going to say if you're being offered a lot of money to like show up looking like Goldberg and Squash Dude in Old Goldberg W._C._W.. Squash match like why wouldn't you do this forever long as you can. There could be another name maybe that he's going to destroy them smackdown. I mean he's got two who wants to get ready after he destroys ziglar so maybe they'll be a bigger naming distance to. 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Now, here's Steve Austin Harada William Steve Austin show. I I'm currently I don't make recharge batteries. But just because I'm recharged batteries. We still got business take care up. In the meantime, we'll be playing some of the most request Steve Austin show classics and been locked away in the archives. I got a great one for you this week. And here's my producer shown to tell you all about it. All right here, we go. It's time for another classic episode of the Steve Austin show. It's producer Sean bringing you number one. Seventy with the great Bill apter original air date November twentieth. Two thousand fourteen Bill after is most famous for being the face of the classic wrestling and egg scenes of the seventies eighties and nineties, particularly such titles. As pro wrestling illustrated, the wrestler inside wrestling sports view wrestling wrestling, superstars, and countless others. And Steve has a pretty good relationship with those magazines of often known as after bags because of bills rolling those publications, but Steve check this out Steve was named rookie of the year in pro wrestling illustrated for one thousand nine hundred who's also wrestler of the air in one thousand nine hundred eighty eight nine thousand nine hundred nine and two thousand and one and he's been ranked number one is the PWI five hundred in one thousand nine hundred eighty eight and nine thousand nine nine not to mention the number of other accolades glee matches the year nineteen Ninety-seven with Bret Hart and these emission match at wrestlemania thirteen. This is all in the year end issue of pro wrestling illustrated, when they give out their awards and Steve's been a big part of that. And Steve had the chance to have Bill on the podcast to talk about Bill being in the business and covering the business for so many years and just talking about some wrestling memories. Some really good stuff here, including stories about eighty Kaufman, buddy Rogers von Eric's, Gary Hart and much more. Even the there's a story in near that. Steve. Talks about with Bill about Bill after was there when St. was getting an MRI for his a broken neck after his match with the Owen Hart at summer, slam ninety seven that's up. I was not aware of. But you'll be hearing it on this podcast and Bill after is still active today covering for a wrestling, just go to one wrestling dot com. And that's the numeral one wrestling dot com. Check it all things. Bill apter, a great man and a great podcast coming up in just a bit. But first, let's get to this day. Stevenson history today, being February twenty first we start off in nineteen Ninety-three in Baltimore, Maryland, where the W w tag team champions, Ricky steamboat and Shane Douglas defeated the Hollywood blonds, Steve Austin and Brian Perelman. Feels like groundhog day keeps saying that one. Also in one thousand nine hundred four in Columbia, South Carolina sting defeated US champion Steve Austin in a non title match after Colonel Robert Parker accidentally hit Steve with shoe who throws a shoe these days and nine thousand nine hundred five Detroit Michigan. Again, Marcus Alexander Bagwell and the patriots who we just heard from last week defeated Steve Austin and Lord Steven regal Steve Austin was substituting for Bobby Eaton at this time. And then we jumped to the WWF in one thousand nine hundred ninety nine in Washington DC, Steve Austin and mankind defeated WF world champion, the rock and Kane in Texas tornado match and finally in two thousand and one in Phoenix Arizona at a Monday night. Raw taping WWF hardcore champion, the big show defeated essay Rios Sada's time to Steve Austin on gonna tell you after the bout Steve Austin came to the ring and fond of a number wrestlers after having a staredown with the rock as the show went off the air with off and on floor and rock inside the ring that is your day in Stevenson history. For February twenty first got information from pro fight db dot com and the history of WWE dot com. All right coming up after the break. We're going to hear from Bill after the great Bill after on a classic episode of the Steve Austin show. Listen up. It may still be winner right now before you know, it spring is here. And that means it's time for your law to make a comeback as someone who likes my loan to be at main event level. I can tell you that I can take a real beating bugs he grout week thin, brownie, gresh, and so many damn weeds. You think it was Royal rumble? Well, our new sponsor Scotts turf builder. 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Thank you extreme to be here because still after set, so hey, you know, Bill we've we are history goes so far back you can get into the MRI store and all that other stuff. But would you? I know you're on a limited time schedule day, we're going to cover a hard sixty minutes with you. And if you know the chance come back, and we'll continue the conversation because someone who's been around businesses long as you have is seen as much you have there's no way one two or three conversations can covered. But nonetheless, let's get the ball rolling today. We we're going to be going all the way back to be talking about my days with ABRAHAM LINCOLN. And all this cares. What we could. I mean. Abraham LINCOLN was highly rated as a technical wrestler and probably had one of the greatest drop kicks in the history of the business. That's been lost. And some of the people stories. No this. However, he got mad because he never made it to number two spot in the rankings. You know, people take the spots very serious on a pro wrestling illustrated rank Sylla's listless is going to start with that the PWI five hundred was that started all I can't give you an exact eight on that. I'm not really sure because I've been gone from there for almost fourteen years now. But when the editor came up with that, we all looked at him with what blanks five hundred jives. Are you kidding me? And we would have like board meetings. We sit in the conference room for days and weeks with people in all the editors just arguing especially about who would be. Another one, and we always had complaints from the quote, unquote, smart fans that the number one guy was never like one these specialized Japanese guys or guy from Puerto Rico, Lucia, Duar, etc. And yeah, we we battled quite a bit to pick that top guy. And I'd say to pick the top one hundred which really difficult Nassar that a lot of guys just kind of fell into the same the same numbers. I mean, because you know, when you talk about five hundred guys, I'm so that's vast number now once you get into that one hundred you could really get a pretty good gauge on, you know, their activity on the national scale with different promotions five hundred I Leonard backing today was one thing when you had all the promotions. But still just the fact that you're trying to put some validity and real thought, but behind the ranking of five hundred people, so you know, I always figured that the pro wrestler, no, strain tough. Hundred was shoot when I ended up at number one. That's when I know you got it wrong. Was absolutely absolutely not only when you end up this number once when when everybody's era round up this as number one the most important to spots that we found out when I was back there in that five hundred was the number one guy, and who was Mr. five hundred and they were guys that were saying, listen, if you're gonna put me, you know, two or three hundred do me a favor and make me number five hundred because everyone will know who I am for that differ. That's five hundred differed from the ways that we did the ratings what I used to do in this is back in territorial days. And even when we did the pro wrestling illustrated weekly was I would call all the offices every week and speak to the promoter or somebody in the office to find out who the local champion is. And who the top challenges were? So when you saw rankings for like the. Awa the NWEA the WWF back, then Slava Charlotte, all of these places, including Japan, I had a guy in Japan as to talk to Koichi SS ally every week, and we would go over this. And that's how the top ten rankings were compiled, generally. And those guys were probably glad to work with you just to give their promotion, some some notoriety some some pub in a well-received magazine. Am am I correct because you know, back you are a lot of people say we were the the internet before the internet. And that's that's really true. I mean, I remember back in the seventies poll Jones who was a big star and the Carolinas and Georgia and a lot of other areas came to Madison Square Garden for one show since McMahon senior booked them for one Cheryl, and he came over to me after he had gone into the dressing room area. And he says, you know, what if I never realized? He says you guys have been doing stories on me for a few years people here knew who I was because of the magazine coverage, right? I always wanna I broken the business. It was back in nineteen eighty nine as you know, I was in nineteen ninety pro wrestling illustrated rookie of the year. And I have that I'm down here at the ranch Bill, and I had that plaque hanging right on the other side of the wall here in my office. I was very proud to receive that that award, but what are your first as low as you've been around the business? What are your first memories of the business like grown up as a kid what what attracted visits? How'd you get into it? Oh, growing up as a kid or any might my heroes. And it's mazing. They still have the passion for full wrestling slash splits into came in from the day. I I started watching it. And as we're talking today, whereas little kid my brother used to actually to come up on the bed with him. And he co move a little to the left. Now moving to the right topic. And he dropped kick me off the that's my older, brother. I have no idea what he was doing. And one night I passed by the TV, and I saw him watching this Di Antonino Argentina Araya. And that I said that was the drop kick came from. I started watching it with him. And then I remember this real cheap production show. I guess everything was cheap production that then called bedlam from Boston. And I was living in New York in Queens, New York, and as channel turning, and I saw this announcer and this wrestling dick, the bruiser talking with each other. He's an announcer was doing an interview and dick the bruiser was really upset at one of the questions, and he pull the announcement. The ring beat the crap out of and I find out later that that announcer was Lord Athol Layton, very well-spoken, British gentleman, and that kicked off that she, but I just. Something in that one moment. And that thing with Raka just sparked me they there was just so little by little I started cowboy Bob Ellis Johnny Valentine with his atomic skull crusher. And then and then the guy that talk like this pal the nature boy, buddy Rogers when he came into the ring old listening re stuff and strutting pointing to his temple and saying, I got it all up here pal. I was I was hooked forever. I'm gonna tell you story off of that where where lived in Nasmyth wings. I was so taken in by buddy Rogers. There was a store. Cross the street from the building where I live the hilltop lunch that and there was a gang of bullies that hung out cycle. The hilltop stompers may just be people. Just beat them up. I would come out of my building every night around eight thirty the next morning newspaper. And I struck like buddy Rogers, and they all knew like this. And they'd all say, hey, this nature. Boy, let's beat the crap out of them. And they beat the crap out of me, and I get up struts onto my temple and struck back across to my parents house across the street and do that every night. Where they picking on you every single night every single night every single night any any any any stories of revenge where you're able to avenge all these beatings one time, not not from the hilltop stompers. However, I think I may have been the first backyard wrestler, just buddy Rogers did figure for like lock. Right. And I had an open challenge with all the kids. My age were lifted rich food gardens the NASA that if anyone could break out of my figure for that. I can still put on people from within six seconds. I can still do this anybody could break out of my figure four I'll give them twenty five cents. So we had an area behind the building of grass, and they were chain a chain link fence, so the chain link was the ropes and the guys would challenge me every couple of days to see if they could break out of the figure four and only one guy did it because he's still count. Oy. Airlift's turn it over and reverse it and his foot went into my testicle so hard that I gave up. So so we area, but the area of grass that we wrestled on became a very bad place for my father because we hit created from wrestling there. We hit created a bowl spot grass in that area. And my father had to pay thousands dollar fine for me and my friends doing that to the the condo board. However that bolt spot. Just everybody knows who I am that became my signature. Now fish still have that bolt stuff, but it's on top of the head and with regards to these four other than the testicular pain which happened during the reversal. That was lead placement. The reversal of the figure four does not Mattingly. Trans firm the pain from the giver to the Givi, no nine. Voted when I when I saw when I still cowboy Bob Ellis turned it over him, buddy Rogers. I, you know. Oh my God. It seemed it seemed that buddy Rogers is one of the paint that point you seem you you speak very hot. But Rogers as advancement man and all my talks with him. He just loved the way that that buddy Rogers structured along the ring and ring, and you know, a lot of people don't know this. But Vince McMahon's walk to the ring was his version of the walk that buddy Rogers distrupt buddy Rogers used in real rugged because I was told that at to the version of Jackie Jerry Graham, originally, well, I actually thought it was a version of my walks. It'd be a mess law, but no straight out of inches mouth. It was his version of the strut used by buddy Rogers, because he he just really looked up to buddy Rogers. So speaking about buddy Rogers, he was obviously way before my time. But what was it about that guy that made him such a hot draw in that area? And we're what first of all I knew him on toward the latter part of his career when he made this. I I remember it he'd retire. Tired and my dad imams retired to West Palm Beach in nineteen seventy nine or so my dad went to the matches their free Monday night. And my dad call he says, you'll never believe who just wrestled. I says who said buddy Rogers said that he need to contact wants. No is buddy Rogers and the next Monday Rogers came back, and he gave my dad gave him my phone number who knows cellphones. Their and gay or two later. I get a Billy. This is funny Rogers if you'd think I'm retired. You're crazy and buddy deploy Suzy's act with the same the cockiness. I think what the what made him such a big star was number one. He looked incredible. He looked like a real athlete depression -cation carried himself like a star. Oh, yeah. Absolutely. And he always he downed all the baby faces, of course. And sometimes he had a manager do, but you always believe him. And you never thought anyone would be buddy largest their online and guts around that can do the job in the ring that if you can't get across what you're gonna do in in terms of promoting what you're doing. Then you know, there's a big link really missing. He had it all he he was just I just remember him on the interviews. And I think I still have some of his audio interviews on over reel to reel tapes here. But there was just a he was a charismatic guy, and you can count those kind of bad guys on one hand really that can do everything and it's worked in the ring was really really good because he was a bad guy. And he was champion. He got up and got he got he was usually beaten up a lot everybody thought. Oh, this next one is going to win the championship. He always said away. Pulling down and making you believe that he's not gonna lose ever. Even if it's the last five seconds of a sixty minute match. He's not going to lose that match. And when you were talking to all the different promoters in compiling their top ten list of front for progressing mistreated and going back to you know, as many years as you've watched the business was there any territory in particular that you really favored that their style of work. But because it seemed like each territory of still pro wrestling, but had a different style. And you coming from where you're at where there was Pennsylvania, New York area, more vivid w s country. Correct. Or w w w what was your what was your favorite territory that you've got a chance to cover and watch the work and the angles well back, Dan, the flip arrest illustrated. We had the wrestler inside wrestling magazine. I always said a fun. Yes. Personal funnest for those TVS days, Georgia Georgia championship personally in that extended down to Florida and also went back to just Charlotte because you know, they they ran a lot of the same territory. Of course, W W F was my home territory. So to say, you know, we get a good cover shot at the garden and stuff like that. And I loved it and Vinson news terrific to me, you know, flooding shoot and all this kind of stuff. But it was something hypnotic about the way they did the TV in that little studio in TV s where I never realized that, you know, years later, I would wind up, you know, having my own segment on one of the shows there on TV BSO came it came full circle. There was a charm smell. I feel to those old TBS shows, you know, Freddie, Miller and Gordon solely on the stable. Hey for bus is has been broken, and we will be right back. And you couldn't wait for them to come back from the break. Yeah. You couldn't wait. It was an excitement every time. They went to a break. There was a cliffhanger as a lifelong man Bill. And now, you know, obviously, we we've known him was a work alone. But when I was a kid in other little bit younger than you. But when I first fell into wrestling watching on TV, I was changing channels manually just like you were at seven or eight it was from the same Houston Coliseum. Houston. I fell in love with a business. Now, I've talked to many people on the show, and they always knew that it was fake in not the correct word to use. But they knew then no the term, but they knew it was at work or something was up. Now me on the other hand I bought in as a kid and later down the road. I mean, I would slowly go to this process of of coming up with okay something's going on here. But it's not really fake so to speak. So when you were washing did you buy as a kid? Did you always believe it was real? Or did you? Just know that it was the work. And that's just the way it was where were you on a spectrum? I never questioned when I was a kid. It was real to me as my friend for watching baseball and football. I was watching wrestling. Well, did you know wrestling with sticks? I didn't know it was broken. An absolute great sport one on one. But I look the other way and I defended it from a young age. I defended it I remember one time I was so mad. My dad wanted to get a new movie camera and I said the Thursday night at eight o'clock. And that's when wrestling was on from the capitol Rena in Washington DC, and in New York and just as the store is closing the head and the TV section there. The grand brothers against the best team brothers and the four of them were bullied in like it was not tomorrow and one of the sales ties that you watch that crap. That's all fake. I said, yeah, you do you don't know what state when I find the camera here I made my father's at the video camera down, and we ran out of the storm. No, I totally and then I never really questioned it. When I got into the business. They didn't know. Whether I knew or didn't know, but I never questioned it. Right. We covered pro wrestling like Sports Illustrated would cover any sport. Right. You did. That's the way. And I never let onto I never go over today. Hey, how much time even today and who's going over never did that? And I think that's why you know, fifty years later, I'm still here doing this. Because I I never asked about you know, if there were times promoters, would call me and say, it would be a good idea to to be insured next Wednesday night. Right. And I'd never say why I go to Stanley west and my mentor who ran the company, and he he understood he got it. No now, it's so what we call you Bill and say, hey, it's been good. I'd if you've been in Charlotte, and so you knew something's going to happen. Maybe big title change. Okay. Who's paying for the plane ticket? He did or the promoter. Okay. For no. Company. No, we never took anything from the promoters and all the the company that owned caressing straighted wrestler inside wrestling sports review. Wrestling said are the owner of that company publishing company? London publishing the standard west and all expenses were paid. I had I was on a weekly salary. That was freelancer was on the weakness. Owlry? Medical benefits everything so regular job there. But I remember one promoter in Florida who hadn't called me. But one of the restless, call me and one of the the promoter in Florida for his arm around the afterwards. And he said, how did you just have to be here tonight? And I said didn't you hear my parents moved down here eight years ago visiting my parents, how could I not come and shoot the matches here for the magazine fix my and big smile, and he hugged and he said, you got it. Don't you? I should. Yeah. Guys, you gods? Yeah. Exactly. I that the it was never said. But they always knew that I knew code of ethics right at went along with that business. Nobody had to talk about K Fave and the and the the the code of ethics. I'll never forget the first time. I one of the first times is in addressing room with second the third time in Charlotte and some guy walked in so many talking to Tommy young the referee and some other wrestlers Negocios that cafe. Yeah. I'm young look at him. He's just Kate. Save yourself is this still after the oh sorry. The guy knows it's all right? And I never broke it to the fans either. Because one sans we talked me about this. And I said listen to you told about wrestling, you know, I look at his sport. So I'll talk about wrestling all day and night, but I'm not going to defend fake or real and all that I should be the best athletes in the world. And this is I don't question with this is this is a sport to me. You know, how many days of the year the guys down the road the grind is relentless. And so that being said with all the territories that you were covering how often were you on the road? You know, because I mean, it was the same thing for you. What was your travel sharing like back in the day? Well, for example, if I went down to fan do you enjoy being on the road month? Get I still do I still I loved it. Absolutely. My wife didn't love it tonight. Looking. I mean, there would be times where I good in Florida. When Monday night was West Palm. Tom Tuesday was Tampa Wednesday was Jacksonville's Thursday was another town Friday was another town. Just follow the follow the voice of the week saying it Lanta Atlanta was the busiest weekend ever who has Friday nights in the seventies was the city auditorium on Friday night and Saturday, you do three hours of TV TVS that drives three hours to with Fred ward with promoting in Columbus to do one hour of TV and then you go do a spot show, Saturday nights somewhere like in Marietta, and then Sunday, they'd be an afternoon show and the night show. So in terms of photography. I get fifty sixty rolls Selm, and you know, twenty thirty interviews during a weekend. Lanta I loved it. I absolutely love it. I I I was fortunate enough for a guy who was a wrestling fan to get into the business. Not the one of the actual workers. Even though did that. At once not to be one of the actual workers. And yet be sent all over the world host Japan four or five times, England, Italy, Germany. I'm an wasn't for this business, and I didn't have to pay for plane tickets. We're gonna when you mentioned the pan and all the territories. What did you think about the Japan style of work versus what was going on the United States at the time when you were first going over there, and my destroying style. But I found Japan similar to a lot of the the lighter weight guys that I chain in the United States. But remember now I'd gone on a tour baba invited me over along the funk said kind of brokered that for me to go over there. And I was with Bruce Brody Superfly Jimmy saw the my only toppers STAN Hansen, but deviancy, and so the style there was the guys that I was with were. For adapting their styles to the styles of the guys in Japan. Right. And I you know to see the guys that I saw in America like Superfly Jimmy Snuka. Turn it up a bit and do his best in Japan against Japanese. Guys was amazing. Probably one of the scariest things that ever seen in my life. Nobody told me this is going to happen. I decide to run shooting pictures, and I turn around, and there's all these thousands and thousands of Japanese fans behind me. And all of a sudden, I hear the dressing room door opens a nest scattering and running in fear and terror, and if stomping all over the place trying to get I felt like I'd still always come out of the freshman Anson Brody swinging the huge chains, and they didn't give him who they will hit or whatever. And I got pushed down and like stomped on by these fans there, I'm telling you, it's like a gun fill a movie second night. I y up for that. I went onto the ring Brody and Japan and got to the ring. But that was absolutely terrifying. But then you had, you know, the the great scientific wrestlers like to the OSCE on the tour, and I used to love the way the ring announced his now DVR sit-in. And is it just it was so different. And yet it's still took place in in four corners. And I loved it, man. I used to watch the same things that you were there in person. But I saw some of the things when Broden answers came out swinging account on end of that Malraux. And is scared shitless, quite frankly as some of the people were in the audience because there's a photo shoot and honor to get to get like running a bowls. There's almost an honor to get lit up by bell. They probably wouldn't give. But and they and Brody enhance and did not give a damn. And I thought, you know, and of course, Brody was a big star wherever he went into world stand. I thought most specifically. Japan he was suited for that. And man when you talk about work at strong style. I mean, those two guys really thrived in that environment. And also have this far as your scientific style who a lot of people enjoy funk when I first started in the business per I thought his style was a little bit more boring. But when I when I started educating myself and became a hand wringing a mechanic, I really appreciated. What door was doing really in Japan. I love doors work over Japan. And it was really looked up to. But he was a guy that the from the famous funk family, and of course, Terry was probably the mo- more well known of the two doors work over there. I he would grind you. He would. I was talking to Rick flair the other day. He said he would kind of always leaned on you entire you out. But I really loved Dory style over there. Oh, yeah. I get you a heat at cherry. Of course, if stance are so different and which in Asia with Dory. He just came back from Japan. He was. In in passenger there, but he still wrestles on his own bang from ocean regularly. And he's still, you know, he's still doing it. And he never stopped. And he's he's still got it. Hey, you mentioned earlier we were talking about buddy Rogers. We live about Jack Brisco because I hear so talk about how bad ass Jack Brisco was, but I really never got a chance to see him work. But anybody in the veterans that I talked to speak with high regard about just gut Jack Brisco when he was the world champion and the ring periods and that check for still I and Stanley west in my mentor before eighth and Hyatt's fulltime. He said to me, I gotta do sports. Get any grand is bringing young Hanson kick. Jack lists go to the gone. You get an interview with Brisco, and you can work in these soul time. So yes chief I've seen the Olsen very white. So I got the garden and Graham, and she'd do need to Jack. And of course, check did the interview g I. Audiotape it congenital, discreet force down. He could have been a radio personality back there. But when I saw him in the ring that the garden big put him against my Carlos who or someone who wouldn't exactly compliment where I could best when I still Jack restores his best. I saw four or five times his one hour matches against ROY fun junior entered this day when people ask me two point two great matches. They photographed and seen throughout the years because to me there by every different era. Yeah. Risco funk is the nets Jack Brisco was just fantastic for wrestler, very focused in the rain. He didn't play to the fans is a plane guy. He came into the Ramey. Be introducing waves to the fans, of course, then it was all business. The ring binder resigned. It was. And it was highly respected as shooters. Well, so anytime you could work with him. If you wanted to get smart with him. Well, then he can he can show you or two in regards to that. Oh, I he understood the Jerry. Of course, you know, they were both fine amateur Aslam. They'll you know, you you wouldn't want to cross cross either one of them. So to say and haven't let's say you just bought a house bad news is you're one step closer to becoming your parents. 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Download Ben greenfield fitness every Wednesday. And don't miss Ben on the Adam Corolla show on podcast one or wherever you get your favorite podcasts book that was helpful a pigeon Exxon. This is the Steve Austin show. What did you think when the territory started grad because letting them all out of business? Well, it upset me, of course. Because I I was one of the things are tied into the territories drying up because the W W F at that point was starting to expand that we were losing with real. So the magazines rice WWE had their own nagazine, and they didn't want together magazines as part of what they were doing. So this this is situation that became very difficult to us. But to answer your question on a personal level. I hated to see the the territories. And because first of all lot of people will put out of work w w s did not take a lotta guys. So the. Say, but there was that feeling about the the independent. Territories that that's smaller homegrown feeling at those arenas that even the Indies today are still trying to bring back in some way. But it still doesn't feel like the days of their territories. Territories seemed to be more official that well, you know, you have national wrestling alliance and all the territories. You had the Awa over their little territories and stuff like that. And and other promotions. So yeah, it it was in hurt to see that go away. Really didn't. That's why I remember so many good things in the territories. Because you know, I grew up in my career round the territories. You is so many guys. I mean, so many territories, you know, guys when working territory for wanted to take take mucho man for for instance, when he first started out, and then I guess it was what his. Father's promotion. I say w and then went to Memphis. And then that's where you know, he really honed his craft and came up with the macho man thing, and of course, by the time, he got to WWF he had been working but six eight years and was already a hell Acis worker, and then he went up there. But these days without all the territories there's there's just not any place for guys to really get on the road and work in front of any crowds and make a little bit of money to be able to stay on road. And keep learning are characterized dealer groups like wing upon her, of course around that. It's still a really good breeding ground for future stars supposed to tell me that make -nificant for forming center and annexed tea, which I'm hoping he was I loved it. And people to do the whole the whole field of that's got that old school feel about it. I hope thing. Yes. I'm hoping that's going to become a territorial. Heart of what w w e-. But yeah, the territory's, unfortunately, you know, the the last gasping breadth survival. I was there at so much of that. And it really hurts. It really really hurt. And you know, you were you were in so many territories to I mean to just only years you spent world-class which which at one point everyone thought was going to be the next w w s man there's going so hot there. And then Joel stern, you know, just kinda started taking a downturn. When a lotta guys, and and the monitors and start off, and it just turned into what it turned into. So I was it was a sad time. What we what are your thoughts on just hold on our legacy? And you know, now as as far as the boys go you have Kevin is the only guy left. He's limited Hawaii his boys now getting into business. I wish your mother Leckrone interested to see how their careers play out. But he continued as different business now. Oh, it's never business now. But what we thought all the the trash it with the botox happened. Well, I had been around those guys many times. Oh, they made me the forefront, Eric that's what they used to call the o- very close with Kerry. Kevin David, and especially with David and his wife, Trish, David. And I'm at the first time in slaughter when he was working for any Graham, we came really good friends, and he invited me along with these crepe Peters some harassing listed dancers ranch for day. And we spent quality time with him his wife is brothers. I'll never forget years later as middle of the night. And one of my charter refers Kitto could Jimmy Suzuki calls need from Japan and shit either by Eric. Stay issue. What should they had daily run, Eric? He's did tweet, you know, three o'clock in the morning. You can you can vary. Decipher what someone saying on the phone that you hear the word dead. And then I I called him back after I woke up, it's twenty minutes later. It was shocked because that was the first wrestler. I really knew well who died. And your Jimmy's dog over there's one that gave you that. Call right. Yes. Yes. Yeah. And I I was shocked with this. The first I ever knew died, and I went down to the funeral. And it was one of the most devastating devastating moments. Her saly end, this is wise of my life. He was here was this young kid who is slated probably to become the NWEA world champion, and I just seen him a few weeks before and he stands so. Yeah. That and then of course, he came very close with Kerry. And when he died again, it was total shock and just nee. And then when the other kids, I mean, I talked to Kevin a few months ago. And I'm so glad. Kevin this year that he's around that. He's tent and he moves out in the jungle. He said in Hawaii is seven business seven elevens out where he lives, but the legacy of the von Eric's. It's unfortunate that too many people remember them for what the negatives were way that they all tragically died, then be great, athletes and performers that they were in the rank on day one and come in from Texas, and you know, world class championship. Wrestling was a big part of my childhood growing up. I found that after I found Houston wrestling. And then finally, you know, got a football scholarship to North Texas state, which is in Denton, Texas, thirty miles from Dallas, Texas. So I would pay my money on Fridays Friday nights or Saturday mornings because they went live on Friday night and Saturday morning TV taping which an air that night. Okay. TV channel eleven and man, you know, the von Eric's in the free birds, and man that place was on. Fire and this started re around to me. He's just hit another great point three Barrett's. Oh my God. Oh. Oh. There you go to three birds before you go the free bars. I mean, the von Eric's were rock stars at loud people. You know, if you weren't in Texas, you don't quite understand grasp of how hot those kids were just good looking kids. Everybody loved them guys and gals loved them. And then mom said when like Michael PSA's tells the story he gets set call I think it was from Gary Hart, you guys need to come down. Here. We can make some money, and they went out to check it out, and they were blown away with what Dallas was doing. I thought the free birds were phenomenal. Richard. Dick combination of the free birds being locked stars straight USA on Eric's was was absolutely incredible. And you mentioned another name and there who is such and I'm gonna use the word genius in that promotion, and that was all fun, Gary Hart. He had Sicher great creative minds. How long has to know Gary. 'cause I I'm very well. He gave me another job. I mean, you know, once once there's an US, no w dry dried up little bit. So I worked on the side for Gary Hart over at Metroplex arena. And that's when I was a tag team with California's done rod price as a change to really get inside Gary mind for the business because I was too green to really understand the level with which he was coming from. But Gary was very interesting guy. I just had a great time reading his out of Agassi, which they refusing the publish anymore. But what did you find about Gary, and it was so fascinating or made him? So you know, such a genius with an. Business. You know, like they say Nancy Reagan ran Ronald Reagan. I think in a lot of ways Gary Hart wrench Richland Eric. He had a lot of love aether there. What a helluva relationship those two head because it was and I used to one of the things I have to back up a little what Gary was very laid back who's very little very rare. He get net, and they'd here guys come on over and saying he Gary, what do you want me to do in match tonight? What are we doing tomorrow? And it's just very casually, and I gotta do my carry heart. He go a man. Oh, want you to do Scone the ring to you think to ten to fifteen minutes come out get your money come back tomorrow? That's how laid back. He was like that old time. But when it came to business when it came to business. Gary was incredible creator a lot of people like intend to the mind that he Graham because she was always coming up with different. Angles different storylines, and he was never afraid to give a young guy a break or even one of the older guys who come up with a scenario that Jerry thought would work, and I I happen to be toward the time that I used to go down to Texas to cover the matches. Lord, I make you with you flowing, blonde hair. Yup. There I used to go out with Gary and Eckstein born was still around at that point. And we go and sit for hours to stuffing wrestling strategy and Gary assist. I don't know. I it was just something about him that even though he has family and all that the only thing on his mind. Twenty four seven was the business in lived eight Frank slipped the business, and that's what separated vested separates these rates creators from the rest of where you brought another name of. And we you said his name twice Eddie Graham now here was. Who is also known as the genius of finishes. So what was it about eighty gram? That was just so special in regards to finishes. Great question. And I wish I could give you an answer. But I don't know. I mean, he just seemed to finishes down in that Florida territory all seem to be all right all the time. Evert some of the guys who worked at that terr- joy. I mean, you you basically have your match which you would basically call it a ring. But in regards to the finish. I mean that finish could be five to ten minutes low, and whatever his instructions were that's that's exactly what he wanted coming out of that match. You can do whatever you wanted. But when a Finnish came down. It was a wealthy on it has to lead to the next step to do business and draw on the next card that we're going to have and you know, he imparted a lot of his learning into his protege dusty Rhodes, yes who took a lot of that. And bought it's Jim. Promotions. When he worked for Jim Crockett. And the also, you know, he was trained in Florida by any Graham to do that before an unknown that we're on a hard six minute countdown because of your schedule the day. But I know when we were talking last night where Senate if you text messages in you wanna talk a little bit about some of the anti confidence stuff down in the US away. And I want to get to the cascade story because you had a long history from when I first met you getting into business, but Toby anti conference stories about. You know, when his he feuded with Lawler US nebula way, a lot of the younger generation don't know scout. This was a hell of a dance you'd here. And I'll tell you and Jerry Lawler, we'll tell you the same thing that if it wasn't for me, connecting them this thing, they never happened. Oh, so you were rolling you the guy. Yeah. I've had. Well, here's how it happened. Andy Kathleen used to come to Madison Square or and he used to try and get into Vince seniors ear for learning wrestle at the garden. And you know, since senior wasn't into told showbiz aspect of this whole thing. So one night and became over to me. He knew who I was and Zine I knew he was locked. Yeah. Actually. And he asked me he wanted to talk. And so I go home he said where do you live and should in queens who said had he get there? I said I checked the subway say can I go with you? I said sure. So here I am on the train going from N station. To union turnpike in queens with Andy councilman the guy that's starring in taxing sitting next to the on the subway and people are going like, Jessica. We should say Hello to people. So we got up to my apartment and at that point. I was living with an Australian girl wrestler of she was my best friend, and he was Susan Sexton. And she used to like when we had wrestler's up the apartment there because we talk for business a little while. But he was a three or four hours you'll be shitting. Their holy wanted to do is talk about Honey Rogers in Fred blassie, and how he wanted to be buddy Rogers and wanted to be free glasses. And I remember one night. Suzanne was in the couch and him, and she says keep can talk about she just yet, you know, anything about the Ramones or AC DC. And then she just looked at him that went into bedroom put on a headphones never saw again. So I count on. I said you have to understand that Vincent van. She is not going to let you do this. And maybe it's something to do with the commission to convince junior knew that Andy. Salamn one even had I think four chesting one point. So I said I said, I got a friend in Memphis, Tennessee name, Jerry Lawler. And I said that territory has they do stick that they're like, Frankenstein monster different things. Like that Dracula on, you know, maybe we go on he says, well, you think you can get in touch with him. And I said, well, let's call them right now. And he looked at his watch. He says it's one o'clock in the morning. He said, so we'll wait till the morning and cost tell knows he's one of the wrestler is probably just from an in. Or should we stay up all night? So I called Jerry Lawler. And he says, hey, Bill, how're you doing? I said sign I said I told him who I had in my apartment, and he pulled us, and he says you got Andy Coffman guy from taxiing your rule Roach infested apartment, they're in coins. She yeah, he said can I talk to him? I said he wants to talk to you. So I put Andy on and they talked for about twenty minutes. And Andy got off the phone, and he says he wants to meet me. This is the guy that starring in taxi. Biggest comedy hit in the world and Jerry Lawler wants to meet him. And this is the biggest thing in his life now. So from there, he went down a few days, later and Lawler and Jared and Jimmy Hart put the keen ignition and that's outta going. So when the feud started and the Letterman show happened I was also one of the people that helped get the Letterman show to book them as well. And I was at the Letterman show there, and I didn't know what was going to happen. I had no idea. But I at that point if I would have thought to myself that this was a shoot, I would've thought that definitely. And you know, eventually years new years later, I never thought Andy Kaufman, wishy comic genius. I loved him as lot right? He invited my wife and I down to catch a rising stores like tenth anniversary in New York. And he had a plant guy in the audience. And I I didn't know this and he came out after a minute or two comedy the plant goes out. Andy what q Andy looked dead immature? We'll thank you very much. Skew this one on for twenty minutes. Now, you know, how you know? And there are people in the audience hysterical. I'm looking at my wife, and we sitting at a table next to live Manelli and a whole bunch of other celebrities, and they were all looking like, they're all gonna walk out. So I never thought he was a comic genius. And I remember probably five years after he died. He never kept intelligent when he was sick. By the way, he just brought up out of contact with with almost everyone the five years after he died, I found that's Judd Hirsch, the other one of the other stores from Tennessee up during in a show in New York called I'm not Rappaport. And I don't know why something can tell me to go and say Hello to him. So I went to the theater, and he was just coming in. And I said, Mr. hurston introduce myself. My name is still have to run. And I'm the guy who helped get any counseling into pro wrestling. And he put his arm around me me over to the side because he didn't want anybody else to here. And he said, I guess you think I'm gonna thank you. But he said that was a miserable time for the whole cast because Andy Mr. hertzel's Andy with an Andy Andy was. Pro wrestler at that time, and it hurt us. All should I don't feel you for it. But we never liked any of that stuff that he did. Mating me that is amazing. But I mean. If if enemy people want to go back at watch this stuff, it's on YouTube, just just Google anything that has to do with Jerry Lawler ninety coffin and just the whole funeral whole angle. I'm and these are back in the days. I mean, he'll it was a shoot because oh, it was straight up shoot. And from rolling air trucks about it. And what I can repeal now is something I wouldn't repeal years ago said after the Letterman show, I went up to lo-lose hotel room Craig Peterson Lola's lifeless there and molar invites me into the room and closes the door and somebody taps me on the Bannock. And it was Andy they had just worked the entire universe. He goes to the next day the photos that crate Peterson I shot at the Letterman show will picked up the wire, we ran over to Associated Press and gave them the pictures, and it was on every major newspaper the next day. That's great. That's great. Lower today that that hits Waller wanted to come out to our editorial offices, Mr. west, and my mentor was like in senior no show biz stuff. So I told him what happened the night before? And he wasn't impressed. And I said can we send a car to get Jerry long? He said, no, let him take the Long Island railroad like everybody else. So here's the guy now who's faces on the cover of every newspaper, and he's taking a long Long Island railroad back to our office in the bay heaven Firdaus. So there's not have big of star Yar if somebody doesn't buy you, you know, you're on the subway, but yet had that moment in my apartment, not happen at the timing everything that that's a might have happen. Maybe. But I don't think it would have had the momentum because everything just everything just fired correctly from the moment that painting I met to let school Jerry Lola. I could've said, hey, let's call eighty gram. So for some reason that Memphis territory, and the way we were putting them in the magazine, it was offended like it was a doodle sticks type of territory because they had characters I knew this would fly there. I know no doubt my. But there are other things that I've done that people don't know it. So that's just the loans office called called our office. One time that they were looking for a certain type to play opposite semester, long Iraqi three and the. Girl who called this is what we're looking for. And I sent this girl pictures this veteran guy superstar, Billy Graham and this new guy by the name of Terry believe whole Rankin. So I sent it. They they actually send it to fed ex. So the next day. I get a call from the secretary could you send us more pictures of Terri Valeo? Yep. Which I did. So they wanted to talk to him, and we were the magazines at that point would banned from the WWF warring allowed to share. So I called on old schooling. I called a bunch of people. And then I finally called hopes mother. He was I was always since he started. I was always friendly with him. And I knew his mom and dad, and I used to when the ban was on anytime I needed to get the ban with the magazine's one allowed them to the matches. I would always contact in through his mother. So I called his mother, and I said so vista Stallone wants to talk to Terry. And that's how that got started. And. Your rib to begin with he kept. Yeah. Wouldn't wouldn't come? Yeah. Yeah. But everybody from Arnold schooling to everyone in the office all took credit for doing that. I call school. And I said could you give him the message so hokey and didn't realize it that five years ago? I told him the story of how this happened. I really think I got all the pictures to the magazine of you against alone in the movie that your mother's sent them to me. It's the thank you gift. He didn't know that. Hey, you brought up a real interesting name guy that I was a big fan of superstar Billy Graham Bank in his heyday. And you know, his DVD that the WWE turned out of him to twenty years too. So the guy was head of his time. Because when I look at what Billy Graham daddy was talking all that trash, and you know, hit you generated a lot of heat initially. And then he becomes so entertaining that people started buying into him as a baby face. But then actually. Warrior. Yeah. But but then seeing your you know, that he dropped the belt buy back land and almost dropped off the face of the earth. He could have been really the I don't go Steve Ouston in regards to what he could have done in a business, but they didn't have the foresight. Then it seems seemingly to me looking back hindsight being twenty twenty. But he was original guy that, you know, all they had to do was transition his opponents, and that guy would have turned into a monster. Baby face at the agree, actually. And yet totally agree. And one of the great things I love to that stuff. Stubbornly Graham, if he was great helps promote or he would he would be in the rain putting chin lock on dusty Rhodes put this on the cover Bill, but that's how the cover jobs. You know, he he and he called he keep in touch by phone to let me know where he is. And when he lives on Long Island, which is just three miles away from the feet of your offices. He's up there all the time whenever he wanted to be. I always loved people that went out of their way to push themselves because it was great for the magazines. But man, I tell you what it was just a magic on a microphone and just watching some of that oh footage of him in Madison Square Garden, whether it was just the ringside interviewer inside ring with Vincent, man. And even going back to some of the stuff when what would that have been in Awa when Wally carbo was interviewing him? Yes. Yeah. Yeah. That was great Steph. But it would. But when he was in the WWE s that was the peak of what he was becoming but he was in a zone, and I talked to Billy about five years ago. I said Mana said the look in your eyes when you went out there. I mean, you were the superstar that was no essay engine. You weren't trying to be the superstar. And he'd just had that look at his eyes that he believed a thousand percent and everything that he said talking about, you know, swim across Atlantic Ocean, lifting eight thousand pounds this. I mean, it was all bullshit as we know in regards to miracle. But he, but he the way he said it mean like, surely, you know, it's bullshit. But I so winner tainting I've got to love it. Hey, listen before I go 'cause she the clocks down to like three minutes. Here. We got your stuff. Yeah. Well, we're measuring dot com. This of course, my home on the internet, and that's the number one not not not only number one wrestling nut com. Number one, Viking Chinese food. It's number one. You can tweet me after one wrestling against the number one. But I wanna break something on your hot casts here because I haven't a few a handful of people know this, but several years ago longtime ago, I was supposed by Ishi w press in Canada. It's not easy Gobi, the wrestling companies entertainment culture writing for write a book, and I put it off. And I put it off put it off. And finally in the last year and a half, I put it together. And they gave me deadline which was this past September in the book should be out in all the bookstores and Amazon it cetera next year hopefully in October or November, it's not a tell all book. It's not a book where it's about what I did with the guys in the business. I it. It's no, you know, after is going to expose this X. They're going to be stories like for example, when I wrote in a bitchy wary in the early seventies of air cat, right in the magazine. And then I got a letter from San you've made a grave error. And there was a picture of cat. Right. Wrestling in Toronto the week before that the guy wasn't dead stuff. Like that my trip does the time with you and the MRI where I held your feet. You're limited at another been a book. But here's the thing. I've gotten dropped on my head and mental adds New Jersey. I was a transient quadriplegic for a minute. I thought it was gonna be paralyzed for the rest of my life, the number, and it was you know, I I called all, you know, at autumn Linda match told Owen Rolla from the wind because I had to get out of that match because there was a kiss my ass stipulation to the loser. And I was going to put myself in that position. I was supposed to. Go over with a stone cold stunner. Anyway, it was a worse roll up in the history of the business. But after that, you know, they drove me to the hospital everything turned out negative. I didn't need Bruce spinal cord, I would find that out some months later. But anyway, you were there when I got that MRI at first one earned Philly for Dr Torg selfish. Dr Torbas kind of the leading specialist at the time for what is called when you receive a blow to the hot topic head that is an actual load number one cause of quadriplegic some the gas manifesto, you know, have gone through that same thing. And I'm highly claustrophobic, and I started sliding me that MRI tube. And I'm not the biggest guy in the world. But those tubes are kind of smiled as well. So scrunching my shoulders up, and they would put me in that tube. And I was like starting to freak out a little bit. I said guys back me up. And I said, okay, guys ready put me back in. They started giving me a little bit southern to two guys back me out. And finally, you were there because you were taking pictures, I still save some of those pitchers that you gave me. Us at Bill, and I had a pair of short socks on his booty sucks. Marriage aware. I didn't wear long socks because they weighed me down drop kick. And I said Bill would you please hold on a foot? So I know someone's here with me to get get my acid as to now you're talking about that toughest son of a bitch in the history of the WWF. And he doesn't want to go on a two. So our lied on my long time buddy Bill after the hold onto my foot because you know, what Bill I come from the best is a pro wrestler. What I figured, you know, someone's gonna pull a rib on me someone's gonna put a cap on one into that Murad tube and a capital other because I can't get out. And I knew that if you had my foot someone would be there for me. So that's a true story. And I look forward to reading that and everything else in the book. He realized that those sucks we could have kept and sold them on EBay and they've had to work a day in our lives. You know, these are the cata stores, but you don't need to tell all catella all 'cause I think just covered now. Yeah. The road that you travel in the business appro Resmed covering the the the the biggest ours from the top to the bottom by just a lifetime in business. Appro wrestling one last question, did you ever think when you first started getting into the business and getting paid for your work that it would last this loan? No, no. But I, you know, what I'm the type of person that when I like a business or person and totally devoted to that w w asked off meet jobs three times three times during the years. I worked for Stanley Weston. And because of who I am I didn't wanna leave sandy west he listened. So did I realized that would stay this long? Yeah. People ask me when you going to stop all this and the tire like all nice old Jewish guys in Florida, and I should have until I can keep doing this, mentally and physically I still love it just like the for just like Vince McMahon that glow in the is there free. Morning, and they can't wait to get up and do this and just as a side thing just to let you know that, you know, a lotta people sit and able to on these calls during the day and all that for the past seven years, very quietly working for a nonprofit in the state of Pennsylvania and Delaware County for company called the head H E D, And they're a nonprofit company and the focus is to help persons with disabilities. Find real jobs real competitive jobs. And I last year I think I'd say about twenty people in put quality jobs and the thing that I'm doing fulltime with pro wrestling. I'm still there fulltime, and I do that fulltime as well. They complement each other. Because I meet a lot of employers who I know who you know, who I am, and I can bring the message of what this company is doing to them as well. And I meet a lot of people. Let fans with disabilities out in the field. Who differently now because even though I always health persons who disabilities volunteer when I was a kid. It's a different focus now because you know, you can't be out there, and you can work. You don't have to be shutting on us. A that's good work Bill next time. I talk with you a lump talking about some of them, you know, all Heyman back in the day when he was snapping pictures and George Napolitano's another name comes up, but just some of the ringside stuff shenanigans. Because one we gotta talk about your ex wife. I knew every one of them do that'd be a that'd be a trilogy of six hours shows of very sad. Hey, his name is Bill apter along them friend. And when I think pro wrestling, I think no after and you can follow him on Twitter at after one wrestling and one wrestling dot com is his website and Bill. It was good talking to you. I'll do my and I do my sign off. Yes. You can. Thank you, still Steve Austin. End for stone cold Steve Austin and Bill after here. One wrestling dot com. Seeing you at the matches. 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Yeah. Yeah. Now, here's Steve Austin. All right up Steve off and show. I occurred that they recharge batteries. But just because I am the batteries. We've still got business take care up. In the meantime, we'll be playing some of the most requested Steve Ouston show classics and been locked away in the archives. I got a great one for you this week. And here's my producer shown to tell you all about it. All right. Thanks, steve. And welcome to other classic episode of the Steve Austin show producer Sean here bringing you Steve's conversation with former world champion fell Debbie hall of Famer and the hardcore legend himself, Terry funk this episode number twelve that's right. Double digits original air date may sixteenth two thousand thirteen on this episode. You're gonna hear Terry. And Steve talk about Terry's time and EC w how that titan. With Steve's tenure and extreme championship. Wrestling also talk about Terry being way world champion, and how that came to be, you know, how he was selected to go over Jack Brisco, and there is some ramifications of that as well as how being ended we will champion affected his life at home, also tears got some stories and reflections about Nick Foley, dusty Rhodes, RIC flair talking about his philosophy on wrestling promos, and they do reference a book Terry put on a book originally in two thousand and six called Terry funk more than just hard core. Leave it was released on paperback in two thousand twelve Steve guy a chance to get a handle on that. And they do reference a few times I've read the book, it is an excellent book definitely worth your time. They talk about the promos. There is a section in there. We're Terry describes his process just how some of his famous promos came to think about the time him Jerry Lawler wrestled in the empty arena. It's a pretty good read if you can get a chance to check that out. I would highly recommend doing that. So today. Steve Austin history today being January twenty second on a smackdown. Taping in two thousand and two in north Charleston. South Carolina Steve Austin pinned Booker T. And that's it for today and Steve Austin history. Join us again on Thursday, we'll have another piece of Steve Austin history to share with y'all looking forward to that. Thanks for listening, folks. Stick around coming up. We've got Steve Austin with the hardcore legend himself Terry funk on a classic episode of the Steve Austin show. It would go get a hell of an offer you guys, thanks out. Friends better line dot AG. One of you guys could be going on a once in a lifetime trip to the NFL's. Biggest game of the year on February third with the New England Patriots taken on the Los Angeles. Rams howdy. Enter for chance to tend the big game. Should we get you carcass over the bed online dot AG? 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Eric, Michelle shit. Cami poli gives me call. I'll show up. It's you and make Foley in the ring, there's a a flaming branding iron. And then there's a flame in chair and the next thing. I know there's there's a fan burning at ringside on the front row. And I'm thinking what I did myself into got suit Vic came out of the trashing rose to my surprise. With a playmate chair. I don't know where he got the damn thing. But it was flaming. Three put flames on it. He ran around the ring came into the ring me with the damn chair. I was burning up. I rolled out of the ring. He threw the chair at me and some how I got sued, and I was the one that was in trouble that had to go up there. I think the guy Sudas for like twenty million dollars. So what happened out of it way? Went ahead and lighter way out of it. Found not guilty. We lied that. Sorry. Son of a bitch. Didn't get a nickel. God dang, man. I was thinking he's got burns for life. Oh, man. It was my first night in the territory. I needed the money had been fired. You know, gone was guaranteed. Schick from W w I roll in. And all of a sudden, I'm thinking what in the hill is going on here. People are going to burn up in flames in Dallas this business promotions going under a set. What am I gonna do for my next job shall tell? You what you know? But at that time, though is we had to make a name for sales. It was no television. It was all done by word of mouth, and it did it, you know, by word of mouth, we pretty much cross country. How long actually any w I was there from the very, you know, if you wanna know started saying, hey, it was myself and Eddie Gilbert, I think is name was Todd Gordon. Yeah. And it was Todd and Todd had some box that he wanted to put in the business and Eddie, Anna. Flew up there and met with him until he open opened up our first show. And when we had the first show there's about three hundred people there, but it was better than nothing, you know, that show absolutely stump. And I went out there that night, I told him I said, you people just bear with us. You know, have some patience, and we're going to do a lot better than we did tonight. And sure enough we did we have to weaken finally got, you know, extremely popular up in that area. Then Heyman came along ball Heyman. And he did a good job to to good job promotion cactus came in up there. You know? And he was a great entity end of the thing. You know, you know, when bride was at the wrestlemanias. I introduced cactus, you know. And I don't know if you listen to my introduction or not, but it was very much about what a wrestler should be what I feel a wrestler should be. What would Steve Austin? Thanks. That wrestler should be what you know. And I'm not I'm not claiming to be one of the great ones. But the ones that really have the love for the wrestling business know that the, you know, it's the wrestler in the ring is who it's all about is patients covered in blood sweat dust, endured he's arrest or that does the best not only for himself before it's opponent. And most of all for you, the fans that have given up your hard earned cash to see something special that attitude is at around today. I I definitely think it is. It's not among every guy. But it's among most guys, you know, and they they are and picking them so much, you know, and, but if so hard for an individual to come up anymore, you know, but there there are, you know, w w has got some great guys. Briscoe does a great job of shaking out the bushes. You know, and he shakes his bushes out there and look for those guys and he finds them and w w east cool. And and now it's in Orlando none in Tampa anymore. But they do a great job to you know, and we have got, you know, if Steve I've said this before, but what is professional wrestling. It was appear shoot nineteen o five. Right. And it was total entertainment events, total entertainment and nineteen two thousand and ten right. Well, if you stretch a line along at we all evolved somewhere along the line. And what we fall to is what the people wanted us to be what turn the turn style. That's what this business is what the people wanted to be in. That's what it always is. It's by. Choice. What you have in this day and age it's not by our choice, they dictate to us. And that's the same thing that was happening in these. He w and we're dictating to the company they let them know what they wanted what they wanted to see and what they were willing to pay for the Limbaugh ask you question about Eddie Graham because I had his name written down here. I've got so many things that have written down different names. But always heard Eddie Graham ran the Florida territory down there, and I never going to change to meet the guy, and I heard so many wonderful stories about the Florida territory now bad as it was and the weather the travel just great territory, and Eddie Graham, always considered such a genius. But in particular with finishes, what was it about eight Graham that was so much more forward than everybody else from a promotional standpoint or finished in buoyant? Hey, was it was brilliant. You know, give you an example of Eddie one night. We were going up to Orlando. And he went ahead. And he and I discussed to finish two other guys. We're going to use that night, you know, and talked about it and everything else. So we got there. And he's his Terry's come on in here and watches, so he went ahead. And he said the two guys he said, well, what do you think we should do? And one of them said, well, I think we should do this in any anyone head and kept them, give them talk and just edgy new men there till they finally came up with the same finish that he he is with me on the way up there. He was a wonderful wonderful manipulator, he had a wonderful mind for the business. He truly at end, you know, he did a lot of great things too. You know is he learned a lot from my father who learned a lot from guy by the name Cal Farley who was whole time wrestler here years ago started. Boys ranch up here in the Marill area. Greg light famous ranch, you know, and as they take under underprivileged kids there, but Cal started that place, you know, and my father, always preached. He would kill preach to him. You've got to do good things that he and my father to for your community. And you've got to do the right thing for the people in town. You gotta be a good person. And that's what at molded his life after my father to mold it after way, kale tears, and you know, that's a very important thing. It's your thought of as a good person, you know, and and he was good person. He was ready to go ahead and fight somebody any chance he got you know, my dad and him used to do it out. All the time to talk about your dad for second. He got into ring he learned how to wrestle. He was already a wrestler, but he got into the business pro wrestler, and it was hard road Ford Magadan, and they started promoting as I was reading the book. I never really picked up who brought who broke into the business or who trained. You was it. Indeed, you father who taught you how to work my father trained me. I started up here. I watched it. You know, whenever I was a kid. You know, four years old all the other kids wanted to play Cowboys and Indians, you know, and I wanted to wrestle because my father was a wrestler. I just always always wanted to be a wrestler all of my life. And you know, is is my brother was the same way. We both knew where we were going, you know, but my father he he was a great amateur out of Indiana University won three state championships at Indian nut skews me at Hammond high in Hammond, Indiana, and then he got a scholarship to Indiana University while he was there under Billy, Tom. I hear made the team that everything in the war broke out. So what happened in is? He joined up because he is going to be a navy one. Be have a bad instead of rolling around in the tent, so he joined the navy and spent four years in it, and he came back and whenever he came back. He just walked into this Kogyo arena said I wanna be wrestler. Well, they had a couple of shooters up there. So he said, okay. If you can be Scott, you can't. So he beat that guy. So he came back the next week. They put him in with another guy. He beat that guy. He beat about five or six of their boys and they decided to smarten him up. So they smart him up. You know? So you talk about that kind of heritage that I had in the business, you know. And you wonder why that we thought the way that we did and everything and we're so set in our ways of staying with. Hey, the businesses shoot. Well, you know, all of my life boys ranch, you know. And I saw my father go ahead and get guys out on the roof of the school. You know? And there's intrigues that were growing up beside. It and guys would not business and he'd say come on up the roof. They had a Matt up there. You know, he beat him up so bad they'd run right off the roof and try to grab the tree limbs goodly reach be about ten or twelve feet to the ground. They were just wanting to get out of there alive. But you know, I watched all of this stuff. And I watched any do it with Jack. And Jerry, you know, and time after time most guys beat up Mark after Mark Mark after Mark, you know, I did the same thing Ameral. My brother did the same thing. Do that people beat up people? That's the way you do it. But if you get one sticks around will they get into the thing, you know, and we started so many great guys out of this area. But you shooter you can shoot so condoling junior airline. I don't know if I can or not, you know, not right now. But I'm just saying back in the day. I mean, you were wrestler's wrestler. You can Matt wrestle you. Could you could say Russell, you could do it. All. So then that's why you know. That's one thing is that they won't ever. They would pick a champion. They always wanted one that could handling absolute. And I want to get to that. But my point is and my question with all these wrestling skills that you Terry funk possess you start doing moon cells. I got it on my note says moon, Celts, really. How do you? How do you go from a technician brawler wrestling stored near to the moon? Saw what were you thinking? What was the thought process, and rob arm saw was into Rangan to time? I was wrestling. Bob, Armstrong, vanden, Tennessee. So I wanna come off the top rope on yet to back clip. I don't know about that Terry said don't worry about I'm to cover you up with. Cheers. I so I had about through about thirty chairs on top of two. Chairs what year was that? I don't know. I was in. My forties would present you to go into Bob Armstrong. You're gonna do it them a jump off the couch. Oh, McLennan forty years old. Got a excite people. Yeah. I I might. So you into ring I knew you were gonna make it. I knew years go make a lot of money, and I went, and I talked to you too. Where was that at? I think it was honestly and seriously up here in Philly. I don't know if you were up or what did you rest fair for w one time? I've been watching you on Dallas. I think it was. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And I knew that you were great worker. So you the first time, you know. And that's a funny thing is I can pick out guys. They're gonna you know. I mean, I really truly believe I could go ahead, and I walk out there right now and tell you which is gonna draw money, and which guy, and I think that I think that Steve Austin can do exactly the same damn thing. Liz a little bit about Mick Foley. You guys are the best of friends you done some absolutely brutal matches. Together. And when did you first meet Mick, well, I met him. We were at a national. Oh, gosh. Let me see was NWEA from out of Atlanta. And we were down there WC. It was Dallas wrestling had. I had seen mic on a tape and Mick came down there came up here. We had a after we had the matches. It was WCW. We have the matches make came up there. And I said, you know, I said boy, add good match. You know, I said I knew I knew because whenever I see a guy like at instantly just he just instantly struck me as he add a little box. You know? I mean at that time, you know, he had a little box office any you know, I knew that he had box office. I mean, you know, and that's the same way with you. You know, anew the to box office India now the guy that knew that you had FOX. Office. And it was Rick Rick always thought the world of your work when I remember back in the day when I was more of a technical wrestler before got dropped on my head, and it kinda change my style into the brawler. You know, I was kind of considered a little bit of the next flare. Although that comparison can never really be made each wrestler's their own person. But you know, and that that was that was that would be light years away would never happen. But I remember in your book, one of the things you said about MC he came up to you. If you remember this, and he said, we'll how was my match, and you told him as the drizzling shits or you told him as sheets, and then you just kinda just with him. But then you actually said kid, you got the ten show out in you. But you're taking too much of an as well. But I mean, yeah, we was playing to see that you can get your ass beat. But you gotta be more vicious in the ring you gotta have more offense. That's the exact conversation of had with him. And I think it was two point of his hunger and trying to get over. And I say this because there's so many young cats and will be listening to this so many people trying to find their way. Like, I kind of modeled myself early on is kind of chicken shit hill innovative, RIC flair which wasn't my forte. It didn't work for me. Here's Mick Foley, trying to get noticed absorbing punishment. But not getting himself over to your point of. Hey, this summits. Can we'll pass to? So there's so many things that go with getting over. And I think when you opened up his eyes to that that certainly allowed him to turn the corner. I know that I took him over there to Japan. And I know that he did a wonderful job over there. You know and make make SEC you know, a pit me of of arrests. Or you know, what I mean have a of a great wrestler. He's not in there to hurt that opponent to make his opponent. That's what we all got. Remember, you know, and and the other thing that we gotta remember as better we make our opponents, and it's makes you that much better. When you beat them that was one of things always loved about working with Mick because man is some classic matches with that guy. And it was a very mutual respect. And I was snug in ring everybody knew that. So that you know, that's just the way I work, but total total respect for the cat. And I was never trying to hurt anybody dam. Sure wouldn't a shooter. But my point is every time I worked with Mick. He put it on the line every single night. It didn't matter if there's twenty thousand or fifty at work TIs 'Self because people paid their money, and that some came to perform and truly is a lot of guys that have that feeling in the business. And unfortunately, some of them are are at a different level has so many guys that have compassion for profession that are in it right now. And that's the only reason they're in it for the compa-. Ashen they have for you know, and you want into the assholes to there's always assholes and every business these feelings of hunger and trying to satisfy the crowd. I mean, obviously are not exclusive to you me or make phoney there to your point. Yes, there's a lot of guys out there like that. But to my point there's also a lot of cats out there that will sandbag when the house isn't what it is. But you mentioned when you took Mick Foley over to Japan, you spent a lot of time over there, you were in most systems entrenched, you were everywhere, but getting over in Japan seems to be a little bit different than getting over in the United States. Is there a difference because, you know, Dr death Steve Williams as as physical and great of a wrestler as he was an estate he wasn't over so much, but in Japan big money. What's the difference? You know, what what they had over? There was a silence various tiffs stiff style and same satellite senior work that way. Steve high tried to work, you know, try to be solid and everything else, but they like that stiff style, and they they love the wrestling part of it dot ca do they love that legitimacy from the past. And have that you know, it's just like Robinson. And so many different guys. You know that went over there through the years. Yeah. Hey, let me ask. You question about him. What I gotta take some liberties in the rain every now, and then I've always heard it was a little bit of a salty individual. Of course. A little bit of a main streak from what I hear goose. Hey, you with the rhinestone dog collar between us dogs. 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Check out the underdog network every week on podcast one or wherever you get your favorite podcasts. Steve almost didn't show. Hey, I want to cover your first world championship December tenth nineteen seventy-five. Jack Brisco now, there's a decision process going on with the commissions, and in particular, the NWEA commissions in w belt did tell us a little bit about that process. Because you know, it wasn't just like, you know, someone says, hey, great of Terry. Funk was was a champion tickets to that process. I think it was at the most right around thirty. Territories. And then you had a board of directors. That's how the champion was determined was by the board of directors was that was back man and then seventies era and Sam mush neck was the president. And then Sam step town and Fritz became the president. And at that time Jack decided, you know, Jack Benny didn't that road every day and everything and and it just wore him out. You know, in the did, that's the way it was, you know, because like myself I did three hundred ten days out of three hundred sixty five. But that's that's a lot, you know. And it's a lot of a lot of going. And I think it's I I'm sure there's some guys in WW's probably hitting close to that themselves. You know, right now, I don't know. But three. Then was a lot of dog on shots. You know? But any hours Briscoe went ahead me, you know, the championship or Warren mount at wore a mall out over period years, and he was ready to get out from underneath it. And so the two finalists where were men Harley, and there was a tie vote on it and Fritz fun, Eric when they had this is a true story, and my brother and Harley. We're great friends at that. And Harley came up through the school hard. No, absolutely. You know that amp -solutely did and has great of a boy. And a smart of a guy I've ever come across. But it came down to the voting and they were six members. I believe it was and principal came down to a tie is gonna make the deciding vote while it went three and three. So then it left all of the pressure on the France. And he said I'd like to have any more comment, and my brother said, my my brother has a college education, and because they wanted to represent people like, you know, like they're somebody don't miss Sam and still been any on what happened at that time. That was the determining factor 'cause Fritz wanted somebody with. College education. And that's why I was picked over Harley, and I don't think arly my brother talked sensitive when I did not I'll tell you. What is I love a boat? Absolutely. And I really do. I love them both guys. And and that that was really it was a tough deal for me. I wanted it wasn't is just one. I was I worth the trouble to go ahead or worth the friendship or where you're wait, a rock and hard place. But you know, you if push comes to shove, I'd rather have the belt that not have it. I mean, if for Minnesota lection process and my personal up against Harley race, I would rather have it than Harley, but the responsibilities go with that Terry. You talked about your travels on the road in the world champion is a lot different than the other guys. I mean, everybody's beaten down road. It is a grind it's physical. It's mental stressful for everybody. But that world shave in many times, he's. Traveling by himself. I mean because he's going to be in different gigs booked in different places. One of the things that I read you used to do when you pass through Dallas, would you? Somebody smart you up to just getting on the tram which circle the airport, and instead of checking until hotel room, you would you would get on the tram and get you, you know, four five six have made hours sleep. Yeah. That's exactly right. We click track as pretty tricky way to say the buck. Let's talk about the travel on the road because as tough as the travel schedule was as NWEA champion some years later, you go to the WWF, and you said the travel there was tougher than being NWEA champion a decade earlier. So the road, it seems to you and your mind it was the road that brought on the grind the drugs and alcohol. I think I think it wasn't necessarily the end of the small whenever we weren't had all the promotions. I think that we had less. Drugs in the reason why it's a different era a different time. Of course, it is. You know, you know, is is we would drive as far as we could to atone back. Right. That's far as you went. You know in you're you were at home with your family every night, you know, are close to every night. It's haven't one or two nights out sometimes, but you know, in a week's time or two weeks time. But basically, you're in a territory where you drove and that was that territory, though, what was so wonderful about that has because you have a school rumor and school room was whenever you'd get into the car. And if you got into the car whenever you just start now you had to get into the back seat. And usually there was not only two of you have been maybe three and see would be pushed all the way back up against you. And you'd listen to the old timers, and you'd love every minute of until you know, it was it was a great education. The road was a great education to the business now. Now, where do you get educated? Let's all go to Chicago tonight. Well, catch his fight. I'll catch that flight. You catch his flight? You not really together. You don't really you're not in that confined atmosphere of couple of old guys. Going ahead. Talking bullshit to you and serious bullshit to that doesn't happen anymore. You know, I mean, but I thought it was a great great thing through all of those years. And listen as I understand today how they have to do it. And they're doing a great job. I'm telling you, I watch those boys, and I'll tell you what they have got better athletes than what we have. And I'm sincere about that too. No MO with with being on a road with man on the road and always trying to occupy time inevitably. There seems to be our was least when I was around. A lot of booze drugs is that exclusive been on the road or does that just go with the entertainment, business or sport a professional wrestling? That's top on, you know, I really the way you court that I never have really thought about it that much, you know, it was Boon's when it was moved to an attorney LUSA them. And and what the what the drugs drugs is a funny thing, you know, people want to be close to the wrestlers, and they will provide them with drugs. They will provide them with booze or whatever. Just to be close to the top part about it is are those individuals. Listen, I have not always been perfect. But for those individuals to go ahead and be on that road by themselves into say, no the football players are not on the road by themselves. They're in a plane with sixty five or seventy of them, or however, many they've got going or a hundred and twenty and they're all together, but they've got trainers. They've got coaches they've got overseers to watch them that they don't come into light this and that, but who looks after those kids I mean, the wrestlers Terry I've been in the restaurant business, man. Not nearly as long as you. And according to your book, I mean, you immerse yourself so much into the business and probably working in a ring book and running everything so much that you totally built up wall between yourself, and you wind Vicki and ended up giving a divorce he left you just. On the road work in wrestling, the promotion aspect of it. What was it that just drove the wedge between y'all's relationship? You really wanna know was upset with the business obsessed with it continuing on being better than it was before, you know, that my father passed away, my brother, and I both were somewhat obsessed with its you know, and every day we were on the road every day we were at meetings. You know, we were running we were gonna probably teen towns. And while it's seven over fifteen towns the week, you know, that's a lot of towns, and where run into them and wanting to prove to the to the country, and the, you know, and and for our father, you know, continue on with the business and keep it going as to do that. What was the process? You you end up. Vicki divorces, you how did you? How did you get end up getting back together? I was this is honest truth. We were only separated by a team. You know, we we were totally divorced for about eighteen months, and we got back together. She went ahead, and I asked her and we went through the process back and forth back and forth from. Absolutely a war to Justin semi battle today. End understanding it was still loved each other. You know at that time I was champion as champion for forget. How many months it was about a year and a half or something like that? But anyhow is I went ahead. And she said she wanted to get back together. And I said, okay, I'm getting rid of this Bill immediately. That's what I did got rid of the darn thing. And then the two big weight off your back when you got rid of that belt, and you were able to spend more time at home. I loved every minute whenever I got home with my two children at that time. You know, they were young. I was blessed to have the opportunity to get back with my wife, you know, and we're still together after I guess, we don't even count that. We just call it time out took a few months time out there, you know, and finally got back together, but been all except for those months been married now for I think forty seven years or something like that. Certainly wanna talk to you about. And that's promos. You wanted the all time great promos, and I've watched well, that's the truth. I never say anything unless it's a real deal unless somebody knows I'm joking around. This is the real deal and some of your promos back in the day. And I watched a lot of them back then, and I watched a bunch of them on YouTube getting ready for this interview and many times you roll in. And it was a pre-tape and you had three to five minutes average to talk, and it was the set up an angle or to get a program started a lot of them were on the fly in from the live television. My my question to you is I mean, I wanna talk all about the aspects of promos. But let's just take this situation. You're coming in. It's a pre-tape promo and you're gonna you're gonna get involved with someone in a program and you've got three to five minutes. What kind of what kind of construction phase of this promo? Did you go through? How how far in advance? Are you thinking of what you're trying to put together? And the message that you wanted to convey, you know, sometimes it was very quick. And sometimes, you know, sometimes you didn't know about it. And it was just the immediate thing. You know, I want you to talk about this. You know, and you just you know, and in other times, he would have time to prepare, you know. And I I don't think you know, is who I learned the ability to do a promo from who were the, you know, who died learn from who did you father was exceptionally good. Another good one, courtesy acacia, another great one Boris Malingco. These guys were wonderful. You know, Mark Lewin. He was he was great. But he wasn't near as great. As those other guys that I mentioned right here, you know, and they have the ability to take a minute. You know, our take two and a half minutes, and it's. All about but in asked every eighteen inches. That's what it about. And they could actually talk him into the into the arena, you know, Curtis was one of the best of all Malingco was one of the best of all. I wish it guys would have what have some access to force Malingco promos whenever he was alive. I I learned from him. I would go to the four to four the television studio where we shot the promos, you know, and I would walk into there. There would be Boris Milenko. You know, and Boris Malingco. Everybody wondered what he is doing. He'd have a little piece of paper there. It'd be looking at that thing March and back and forth and thinking thinking thinking looking at it and thanking and he would go out there, and he'd make the most marvelous Purnell that you've ever heard it would just captivate you could talk people into the seats Boris Malingco king Kurt. Shia keta the same way, you know, but Blanco thought about more than other people did Curtis. It was a natural gift to him at one time in my life. It was a natural gift to me, you know, but it comes over a period of time. You just don't start going out there and start talking on television immediately and coming up with these wonderful things it takes time and the more you do it. And in the more, you do it each week and other words, the more promos that you might and avoid you do over a period of time, the better you get. But to me would always was the most important thing of a promo to me, you know, content pacing was conviction. You better believe that mother husker that you're saying if you believe it, you can all depends a lot of things, but you have to have the conviction in order to sell tickets. You got there and flap your gums, a million miles an hour or talk. Slows you want? But if someone looks in your eyes, and they know that you don't mean that that it's not coming from your heart says not coming from your guts, and you don't feel it is going to be loaned at the office when it comes down to sell it some tickets with you. But that's what it's about is taking that time and making use of it. That's the difference between your wrestlers and your great ones, if they can do it all they have to be able to do the promos have to be able to do it in the ring, they have to be able to do it all I truly loved to promos through the years, you know, but I was always believe in being on the prince that was very important to me. And sometimes it was taken the wrong way. Right. And what I mean by being on the fringes hitting home with people hit, no. Unlike say bordering on a shoot bordering on a shoot bordering on something that they know you know, that the fans know, hey, he does not like what he's saying. This is not just normal. He doesn't like it. And the guy doesn't like it. But he asked to address, you know, and I think that really is a is a defining point in promos. You know, I think you have to be on the friends, I think you have to be right on the edge, and that adds can sometimes and I had it happen to me through the years. Don't wanna say with who. But several guys, you know, they go ahead, and they'd actually get the owed at me because what I said on the provable. Those those guys in the book, but you know, in in delivering that knife-edge promo. There is creative spots for the response. And it's up to the recipient of that promo to find that opening and boom dagger right back to further the the box office draw that match correct? Correct. Here hundred percent, you've got it. That's it. There's no use getting mad, but don't get me wrong. There's someone just does a total shoot any exposes something. You didn't want expose while that's the wrong kind of promo almost. You know, or straight up, you know, kind of oughta shoot side, but still in the vein of trying to draw money, and we both know the difference. But it's up that other side to say, oh, all right motherfucker when I got this for you. And that's where the good magic starts happening. The magic starts happening at a dam. Sure does. And I don't care what he says about me. Putting the house every eighteen inches Enron and drawn great money, and you work or so many guys so many classic matches. But just because I was on YouTube, and, you know, back in those in wwl days, and you and Rick flair dusty work so much together and dusty and Rick had so many matches and you got a chance to work with both of them. So when you got in the ring with each guy, and y'all all the same level, but what's the difference between working with obviously, I know the dusty was bigger guy mechanics of the match was different. But what was the difference between being ring Rick flair and being ring with dusty Rhodes, you got three hall of famers, and you're working against both of them. So what was it? What what was it? What was it? Like with each guy. It all is both of them had charisma the ass. Yes. That's what you want. You can't get any better than those two when it comes to convince dusty is totally different rig rig. Did it through he did it through hard work and the American dream. I don't know exactly how he did the right. But he he you know, he didn't through talking either through his promos. There's a guy that I didn't even mention about his problems was the greatest problem. I in the country. He didn't have to do real. Well at ring the dusty could do well, and he did do. Well, you know, as you know, where does he came came from right here. Amarillo texas. He actually came from awesome. But play football at west, Texas State. You know, played baseball here too. Pretty damn good athlete a little nuts. But he pretty good athlete. Hey, you know, I any better than have RIC flair investi roads, you know. No, courtesy a on. And you know, what I mean kids? Daddy, was one of the great one put over Mike db. She. You said he really took his wing in. You know, helped you out a lot with you, work and advice. Yes. He did. A good advice. The right advice, you know, Rodin road with him anytime that I had a possibility hitting in his car. I got into it. You know and teddy watched him grow up right here. You know and wrought him into the school here. West Texas State is playing football out high school football in Arizona at even scholarship here and dick Murdoch got a hold of metro out his second year and went ahead and took him to Louisiana and damn dick should have never done that. Should've let sit elect daddy. Get his education Metairie was always one of my favorite workers and iron Mike was a little bit ahead of my time side. I didn't get a toss. No. But that's all. I heard was great stuff about iron. Mike. Also was great amateur three times two or three times national champion. I've been saying I'll is good things to you. And all these good things about you. Because we're all true. But I'm about to cuss you like a dog. I'm not gonna cuss you. Here's a question. This is straight up. Did you guys and vent the triangle match, and he c w which turned into the triple threat match in WWE at all of those. I know what I'm mad about. I hate a if there's one thing cage, Dan, it's a triple threat match. And I read your book, it's you invented the son of a bitch. What about the ladder? Oh, I Aladdin match one time invention Shane and we were using like those little three letters because I'm damn near crippled. It was the most embarrassing pay per view. I've ever been in the triple threats, Terry. Now, y'all had yoke turn those into a fine art, and there's so many different ways to buy the creative time that you need. So that you always kind of, you know, get rid of the third wheel in two guys can work. And then that other guy Roach grow Tate's in you know, how you go. But it's just so much going on there. And I read that that one match that it was shoot. It was you shame and Seibu and y'all pretty much working on a fish bone and call it. All right. Yeah. And you just basically called it in a ring, and maybe had a fish bone for math, and it turned out magic. But you know, some of those if they're not detail in this way, I hate to work with too many details that you have to ingrain in your memory, and you know, from back in the day when you just called everything in a ring and that other guy. They're a pain in the as Terry. I'm not happy about to try go match. Brother still aren't happy about. I am not even into goddamn business anymore. Okay. We went back to e w I've also got this written down right here. I I had to get you know, I've seen some of the stuff were your wife and your daughters have seen you work all through the days. And then all of a sudden, you're you're doing all the hard core stuff. What what what are they thinking when they're watching you do this crazy stuff because I mean, I don't all calculated risk. You know what you're doing? You're Brennan son of a bitch put yourself in their shoes. Wh what are they thinking? They bald a lot at the matches. And do that that my wife, you know, I didn't want them doing that. But I, you know, they they watched and they believe, you know, and never did smart them up until they were about fifteen sixteen in on smarten them up in, you know, and they really appreciated business. You know, and I just kind of followed the same road. My father. Did you know his way, he's smart and me up? You know, I was afraid you know, I was mart. But as a frayed to say anything. In my face flap. Yeah. You know, the the the hardcore stuff their knees, he w and then the stuff I read about you and mid Foley doing over Japan bar warr explosions of thumb tacks toll brutality. I mean, you guys are are literally you're working, but you're taking a shit pile of punishment just from the elements designed into that thing, you're getting burned. And then you you get on a flight if you patched yourself or maybe when saw Dr second third degree burns may know. Well, you know. At the time was willing to do it. Because at the time I was making exceptional money over there. Right. Got you. And there were at the time we had no TV in that in in that group. It was there. It was just an independent group. But at that time, we drew forty four thousand people. So that wasn't a bad deal. You know, and I wouldn't get didn't get paid enough. But I got paid a lot. What I do at the time was go over there for maybe four tours of three weeks piece, you know, twelve weeks in a year sixteen weeks in a year and make make right money and come back home, you know, telev- back home and having a lot of time off, you know. And I'll tell you what you guys you guys were hitting hitting the pavement every day up here in New York. I mean, you guys bust your ass for your money. And I know 'cause I've been there before you know, and it's a rough. Oh, hold of you know, rough road show up there. And it's a lot of work is just trying to figure out again, you know, the easiest way to support my family, well and make it to our lives fun and keep it fun. Try to at least, you know, you gotta keep it fun. And it's a grind. And you know. But once you get into business, you remember they used to be that old saying there used to be the sole saying, I I heard this when I was in US W A. It was always this one you get into business to get out of the business made. You know, you go in make a bunch of money and then get out while you still saying, and you have your health bullshit that doesn't happen. No one wants to get out of the gardening business. But you it's a love for the really that. We all say we want more. It's not we want more. We want more. Yeah. We want more that money we want to work more. But you know, what Terry? And I think we're going to be on the same page with this. You're doing it because it's your job, and you love your job, and you're lucky to be doing it because it don't feel like a job man, anytime, you can go out there and entertain a massive people, regardless of the number and had that adrenaline rush. And there's a gag cross the ring with you and a referee in they're working at thing and telling that story, it is an absolute ball. But. It it's wonderful. But you love what you're able to take the ride that you're able to take those people on an story that they get involved in and live vicariously through the angles and everything they mean, everything to the business because it's money. But it's it's the fans to and I I know that you love your fans, and you've always been every time I've ever seen you homeless hell, and I've never seen you at the big head. But you have such a relationship with your fans, you mentioned John over there in Philly, a member, John and. And. And he was such a guy at the white dog. Right. You Betty was man wheelchair. Always there the matches. He was just just the biggest fan and world had beautiful white dog. And then you talk about oh MO all is giving you rides in Philly. I remember MO all yesterday. Oh, man. I can't remember what she was driving back on the day. But Smith, she was so helpful, you know, it was a shuttle system taken guys back and forth to the airport. I know they weren't making any money. But I know you enjoy I guess point. I'm trying to make you enjoy your relationship with the fans, I really do. And I really appreciate them for you know, the one guy that knows that. Hey, the only reason I'm living way. I'm living right now is because of the fans do I have time for him. And he I do whenever I'm whenever. I'm a good guy by golly, I got time for muddled care where it is. They are the reason that I am sitting here looking out this window right now. At this water is like it's beautiful and able to go ahead and being a rock and Jaren run back and let you farts. Arts and. Not a bad life is. But is there anything you regret doing your entire time in a business jumping off something you should have a bone something up or you just leave it all as it was. I I would leave everything as as was I wish that I would have had more time with my father. That's one of the things, you know, regret. Don't regret a thing. I think one time cactus, and I were wrestling you. I think it wasn't somebody else had opportunity and the ring to be been ring with you. And the only thing of regret that I that we didn't get to beat you guys. You know, he son of a B two. Steve. What a really brag about you said that you were the best you're better than move as Jesus go over you one time. Right here dot good frigid Geico. Geico dot com fifteen minutes, you could be saving fifteen percent of mall car insurance at right? Save hundreds of dollars on car insurance. Geico dot com extra money and you pocket. It may just be the Bush warning thing you do today. Go home cues Lynch rampant up this week. Makes you your check out podcast one dot com. Subscribe to the Steve Allison show. So you don't miss any of these classic episodes ran off into the sunset. 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"Thank you for listening to this. Podcast one production available on spotify apple. Podcasts podcast one dot com in anywhere else you podcasts. The following program is a podcast. One DOT COM production from Hollywood California by way of the broken skull ranch and occasional side trip to Mexico. This is the Steve Austin. Show Hell Yeah now from the on. It Dot com total human optimization studio. Here's Steve Austin Ladies and Germs Steve Austin coming to you from the human optimization. I'm coming to you from a room with nature boy. Ric flair last episode. Ed Cut this conversation. Short does show continues today talking to the nature boy. The greatest professional wrestlers ever lived. WanNa shut the fuck up mode. Darwich fly on the wall. Stealth control running controls back in conversation with the nature. Boy Oh man coming back tax break. It's hard to take a break. We're talking about talking about Hanson versus lex Luger and Stan Hansen with a vicious clothesline. It's been all over the total package but anyone who was blind. He's throwing the rope and they come off kid I'll give you the clothesline line and that's close close right. Yeah one time. I had a blade in my hand and he said well clothesline. You get the blood now right through me. It was a hard doctor out of my head. That'd blade utilize such didn't ask good vision and I was couldn't see a flood. Oh I was barely WCW. And I only met Stan futile. And he was always very nice to a yeah. It was Super Guy he had such ray says Japan span unbelievable he and Brodie who where they were over like nobody over there. End While was enduring. Terry Terry Terry Terry. Let's talk about a minute Dory Funk. Terry great singles wrestlers could tag. We're on we're talking about tag team wrestling. Mat Rate TAG team phenomena. Nick and Ray Steve. Yes another great tag team. There's another tag him and she liked I said Ordinance. Later Gordon slater with the BRISCOE brothers. Oh of course. Yeah you can that derivatives. Oh of course they do. I'm with Don curdle me. Dr Arrest Wrestling the risk. Right so I go I go to Jerry Briscoe Dakhil drop down than give me hip. Lock Them Rovan Jerry. Drop Donna would never try Jack Right. Yeah so I jumped on dropping Jerry. Right just did. I didn't stay long. Yeah I'd take the stress care who for thirty minutes? Oh my God to my listeners. Well what's happening rig azan on tackle drop down the person who's GonNa lay down face down on the Mat while the guy runs over the top of Yes to continue the spot? Rick did was jump on top of him and riding amateur. Don't don't top. I was on top. Your top six stand to shooters brisk. Jack and Jane were did not do that. All I got tagged it all got a great story for you to go ahead Jack. Risk-aware national right Jackson World Champion and jacket and Jerry. We're real close Ebola Piper now right so I go to go to Briscoe I'm going to I'm to bed. Piper hundred bucks and he can take you down of course. Of course that's smart Nebraska Right. So don't grab Tommy like Oh severed resident rise in go till go Goto goto paper. I got one hundred bucks as he can't take vote course pipers. I think he thought he could not knowing his coming right. I smart very acceptable. So the curtain sold six thousand people as you'll right so the match was on for about ten fifteen minutes Piper GonNa try through of he got in he shot on Jack Brisco wile so he got jags leg up right. Yeah but jackets phenomenal balance. He bounced around on one foot for about thirty seconds. And we're going to close enough estimate would ever never with the lights the rest of the night. One time I went down zone date Matt born born value was right foot around for screwing around with Rigel and to he jumped number and BRISCO and but thirty seconds later. Briscoe head him an angel going. Look mom no hands. Stretch born per mile. Jack Brisco was phenomenal. Ma'am Holy Cow. I tell you something because what I think Jack. Brisco THINK SINGLES. I think not only of his brother Jerry and attacked him but also think of world championships at a singles wrestler. I was reading Terry. Funk's book and tears run as Nwea world champion as you were many times. Yes I got the I was described terrier described and has pretend to Jack Brisco the load carrying that belt rose so extreme that by and large you know by the time the run was over. They were ready to get that belt. Give about two way so they could get off the pressure. Get off the schedule. Because it's funny Jack. Brisco fluent no Tampa that ninety is supposed to Russell for the world championship and he walked in his office to story instead. You Fly Terry Funk in here tonight I'm done and so they flew in Terry. We'll even advertise match and he dropped the title in Ontario. He drove back home. Draw on top of that bridge. What's that bridge called? Tampa the big one. I don't. She took off his wristwatch through the ocean and Oregon. Because at that time Jack was married to Dory and he would wrestle dory every city in the country for an hour night right. We don't for two years. Yes Jack said God and when he was done he was done. I mean Hell. I've been with the briscoes man. When we lived Richmond. Right Dr Charlotte three hundred miles and we got the Greenville for realized which is one hundred miles pass before. Why don't get me going underscore brothers. Well let's talk about the grand no because anybody. That's that's been on the road has been there certainly you have. How did you survive so long with that belt? Because I've heard the stories from Terry Funk or the Jack Brisco man. I'm ready to get this thing. Addy here we'll ride on it. I had about ten years of the two hundred our match right. Those guys were doing to three hundred a year right Not carried much and Jack All But I I why because I love the business all and I couldn't wait to get out drugs my problem. You know the two hundred people or twenty thousand. I couldn't wait to get out there so you come out of the ring and man for me it's adrenaline. Yeah obviously you too. Yeah and so God man. I'm jumping all over the place here but now you still listening to get back in here. Yeah the Corn Afraid Haley. I'm ready right now again. Convinced corporate of that. But he's talking about it. Yeah then I have a no joke. Seventeen vital things going to happen. But I wouldn't mind trying but Johnson is the only Guy Never Russell Right Russell. John No see I actually. I've rustled everybody in the business of any room except for John so then now when how long has it been since you had your last match Last match was against sting. It's been a year and a half I Separate I don't WanNa do. I broke my arm but nobody knew Bonny for shoot. Yeah he's super top role. Yeah and for some reason. My aren't land underneath. Yeah yeah the last time. I wrestled so year and a half and I remember when I got out of businesses by three years for kind of came to my senses It took a long time. You get out of my blood. It's always going to be my blood out of my system and realized to me. It's all Steve. It's over I gotta turn back to civilian so now do the things that I do. I got a lot a lot of good memories so but you. You Ain't got out of your system now it hasn't no. I mean it's fine because I am one of these guys I've been able to make the transition you know I. It was wrestling than it became a sports entertainment and it's changed drastically out but the marketing has guys are making more money. Vince pays bills. Lemay takes care of everybody. You know and You know I just like hanging around the I like. I love the young guys here. I have a ball of them. Speaking of young guys eleven of business. What was in your career and I know. You have many many many High points but what do you consider? The highest of highs was it a particular year The four horsemen or run with the original group. Okay so I wanted I wanted debris iron myself it wasn't about against dusty was phenomenal man. It was mu wargames right yet. Say the four names again. Arn Anderson Oli innocent tully blanchard myself. Jj Right Yup and so you guys start running roughshod put you guys together Arns. That was orange. I aren't idea and he keeps them name. Fourth Gen aren't aren't gene. I used to watch you guys. And of course many thousands somewhere in Texas and I was watching this stuff. Go down and brother. Let me say something you guys had some he and it was. It was whenever horse we we never want any arena the right he heat on TV. And you know this before. I can't remember when the Doctor D David Shelf stuff but the business had been exposed wrestling with still real. Yeah it was still K- fade. Yeah when I watched the horsemen lay down all of a sudden when you guys broke his ankle like all man. Yeah man you guys. They'd Never Rick Ricky Morton's face in cement watch the other day. Yeah how about the time on a jumped? Steamboat didn't funny now. But it was funny. Then so We shot this angle. Reid jumped on steamboat and rubbed his face. Concrete did ten years later with more with Morton right now and Harley was there. He said that he tells David Brock of your by some sandpaper. So don't steamboat. Up The locker room before kid in Harley took that he didn't take them light rain man he took and he you know got him up. Cut Cut his face I then he rubs divorce I was black for a year relate. He was so at me. You rather it was a real deal. How much he did you guys have back then. How hard was to travel. Because you guys live the heat. There's a Lotta heels in the business these days that are afraid to get hot. I loved it. I did too when you guys thrive on my only what Harley to drive me crazy. We'd we'd be someone going to buy right. Just you'll meet a couple of drinks out around a senior Harley. Goes Watch this and you go over the pool table right. Then it'd be twenty guys. Waiting in line of plane are put a quarter Don's eight. I got the winner and they go. Did I got the winner? Always WanNA serve. He always wanted to start. Come up here we just go up here and calm down. You Know Harley right now biting the beer bottle out chug anybody in the blaze right now. He's better than guys open throat right. Yeah hardly drink a beer. Like and two seconds. Boom wait bill. We got that bed going. I go harley can we just were Texas man he's cowgirls? Let's have some fun. Calm down. He always wanted to beat somebody up. But here's the thing I it was word on the street with Harley was one tough can think so but I never heard about him getting into a whole lot of fights but he was always didn't they didn't you take him to Japan with a couple of times is to help you out. Help me out. They send it was my bodyguard. That's what I'm saying. They sent word make sure have a fax sent word out. The guy called me and said you're going Japan the Russell through they wanNA switch Sabella. But we're not going to do it besides Harley with expose that's nice but you mean I don't even help on the go. I'm making a joke to myself. I was landing Hollywood's going so holly outside the ring right our jumble right in Lord blurs the referee real cool deal. But jumbled himself you know what over the right so we walked back in hardly says. I'll be right back. I said what are you going? He said. Follow me. Watch this. So he walks into Baba Baba's sitting there smoking big. Roy Tans the Guy Right you know what's the deal right now and Jomo was there and he walked Jomaa's Rueda in. He slapped him across the face. He said you over suplex one of my friends again without him. Calling the spot. All beat the crap audio guess. What jumbled into dribbled and get up and say nothing nobody Harley race really trying to making you straight out of huge rate up maybe kill you walk in. There said what is this. What are you GONNA now? I knew he was doing right laugh. He slapped Jomo across the face open-handed and Jomo didn't get up and say nothing. He said you over suplex one of my friends again when he don't call it. You know jumbo you take forty back. Ger- German suplexes right. That was his Gimmick Olympic freestyle free Olympic Rolling the wrestler. He was. Yeah but was hardly. Watch this out mirror. One time I was telling do I guess I'm GonNa play the robot him there was somewhere in Texas so he's going to read the guy back. It goes so what I did. I gotTa rattlesnake and sewed his mouth shut out you and put the rattlesnake in the car and you should have seen the look on his face when he came to get his car the next day you know but Harley how did you catch the rattlesnakes with you though. This story is true if race says let me get the two guys that were the most snakes in the world were rocky Johnson. Yeah and Bob Armstrong scared to death and every time Harley game in the territory bring a major rubber snakes and throw them on top of them craze. It Ever Seen Dinner Ryan my life Armstrong would want like crazy. Arm was intolerant. Bobbled locker room. Highly figure out a way. You wouldn't get that damn bulk constrictor. That what's her name had used to call at the The wizard and Waldorf Fade right and did Chick. Random plays how to buy time and he breakdown door and so that way. Dabale IMBABA The gun. He every time hardly was around man and Rocky Johnson got rocky hated him. Do Yeah he just walk into the building. Hey Drag radio man rubber over again matter but going back to the I was listening to some interviews before I came up here and in reading. But one of the things that you like so much about the horsemen was just the are- the lifestyle and like you said not necessarily hooked up with a chick but it was hanging out with the guys and the lifestyle and really. There's a lot of power that you guys had a highly respected guys live in life. You know we just had a good time and we. We love perform performed. That's what made a good when we got inducted into hall of fame last year I said one thing about us is all WanNa do is go out and perform the truth. Yeah we all couldn't wait to get there always this just very unselfish on but as a group you know and then eventually got sick. So they brought in Lugar in. And then we had very winona Ryder very class of his own. Yeah Yeah faddish worker. Yeah Yup very good really work. Yeah for a period of years to stretch. I mean I gue- that's an incredible six two hundred seventy Berry Berry Wrigley steamboat. Yeah step off the floor into the ring about four hundred one more tag team or two dollars really love well. Two of them midnight express rock and roll awesome of those and how I don't think spe I forget some of phenomenally. You can bobby stand stand. No no bobby and then Loverboy Guy Kid. Just quit when they just quit. Walked off God Bob Eaton's original partner shoot. I'll remember. It wasn't Stan Lane. It was Would love this country. I'm saying Yeah We. This little boy is gone. Is that what happened to you because I love. You resigned as you. But then all of a sudden he was gone. I'M GONNA left. Why was that idea? I have no idea. Always very close to Bob. Eaton his I am now bobby by the way just had a heart bypass. Did you know that? No is that a heart bypass last week. He's had congestive heart failure. Bobby's on congestive heart failure thing. I also Got Jack. Has Got Right? Now it's a heart disease that Bear in a good way about a year ago. She Okay Yeah we'll bury berry at a stroke and heart attack the same time on Jack's property I really thought somebody came and beat them up. He was beat up so bad he almost die but he made it. I actually got out of the hospital. Which by the way. Vince paid all those bills working for them right. He just got the hospital two days. Time to come to Miami and get into hall of fame. Yeah Yeah maps. And they're talking right for. I'm looking at my mind is all over the place. Yeah we got to talk about your future with with Terry funk had classics unbelievable I quit man off Roy. Know no the match advertise. Terry all Terry would let me smell like you. Terry would let me smack him. He'd love the Guy would let me hit him. Yeah you know it became real endure would let me smack. The cramped him. He always tells me the stars the Terry last. Tell the story with adequate metro right. He goes I go- sake say gwen. He'd go no go. Yes yes the story so finance that. Say quit no. I said I go. Okay no went. Yes so I gotTa Louis then moved him kick my ass anyway. Yeah but it was interesting. Such different style between Norfolk junior tremendous. Yeah a worker in his own riot. I'm a bad ass wrestler. Yeah but such a different style than first of all Terry was with the class when he was younger the classic wrestling but Terry is when those guys were. Dory's to conservative guy. John Dory was a master technician. Yes and Man Good. He blow you up people to hold on. Lean on you man. Yeah won't then Slam Slam Me Jeff. Rabbit again slamming by time hours already slammed forty seven thousand times but that it veteran man yeah lean and yet jeff undo one two. You're killing you and then I hadn't I haven't Russell door. Doing I had never had undercut thing right. Which is popular now with other guys. So I'm Russ on the Saint Louis and got them throw the and he backed me in a corner right and gave me that. Flipper knock my God. Dang to through my live whenever sugar before. Yeah are you kidding me out? Jerusalem that thing I ever have. I mean He. He laid those dunaway was. What do you think your tooth is through your lev? What's going on especially at this? My I gotta do an hour more worried about having a slam them thirty five times in an hour and that wasn't what my tooth and Terry funk in a ring you guys are almost age sixty four Terry Harley. Just turned seventy one so Terry Seventy Okay Terry. Seventy two cats ring probably almost about the same time to business who's called match Fifty fifty two guys you. Yeah yeah interesting. Yeah just to ship it in here L. But once again chemistry he tried to give me a book of match with him now in a corral in Dallas and sell it like now he said it will sell like allies interior. See What was interesting to me about Terry Because I was telling me now denise start doing the hard Cologne salt off the top turnbuckle under the crowd and I was like you know what you know the the pure wrestling background from what. Second Third Generation Guy. Yeah and then. He started doing that towards the end when he was already beat up. Yeah I got a couple more years to yeah When you went to work for easy w yeah and intended went over to Japan and be living shit out of each other. And so many Bob Larson Yeah matches. Yeah so I think he's feeling a little rough now but I talked to him. A few months ago Jerry Santa Greyhound but two knee replacements your replacement and he took twelve inches intestinal. Yeah sure that David. Tikolo thing he did. Terry's went through hill now. He retired several times. It came back did you. We're talking several times to come back or do you never lash retired. I retired After the Rutland but then Hogan talk me into going to TNA right. Yeah and. I tried that for a while. But let's talk about that. How was the dynamic of TNA after coming from wwe? Which like? I told you last night Green Room when I think ric flair my my pitcher in my in my mind is NWEA and Carolina's. Yeah in that promotion and I don't want to define it as that but I mean that's what I think and that's what I big time. Great real wrestling. Yeah so what was the atmosphere and Well it's you just hit the only you've worked for Vincent Man but I will say this. I LOVE THE GEYSER LOUIS. I got up. And they got some really good performers and occur with staying and I mean from from an atmosphere standpoint because from business sampling. Yeah just because you know what there's been so many people who are having Hanjin booking this but from a leadership perspective there's not really a wrestling brain there because they have ruth appreciating fired. Him and I don't understand that. Yeah Bruce is a very smart very smart guy and he came from twenty years of being up here. Yeah and you would think but they they. They beat the drum. I don't get it is thing now Who's booking at thing now? I HAVE NO IDEA. I think arrogant hulk. Yeah House Dixie. To work with see was great. No now how. How long can they keep that ship? Afloat I don't think much longer I mean they're making live TV now now. You know you're saying it's expensive bill. Yeah I can. I don't know her father's tremendously wealthy. But at some point in time you gotta say man loss. Yeah but they they do have some good young talent to Mendez. I've been I've been pleasantly surprised with what with what bully ray has done. Yeah off come from her. Establish tag to yeah yeah to turn into. And he's taking the ball with say my hat off to you know to our city worked his butt off. He got that not not deal but What to Billy as partner are. Oh Bob. Rae Boris partner with the same From the old days Devon a wrestling school there that yeah But BUBBA. Ray says he tremendous y'all got he's The Epcot as niche took a while to figure it out as a singles wrestler. But Yeah Yeah of course. But here's the deal is typical of TNA and you know this story right. So He's getting ready to marry Brooke Hogan Yeah you see that right. Brooke went and got engaged to one the Dallas cowboys fan brother. I went next weekend as off. Golly man affixing take a break. I'm coming back with Ric flair a man. I can't talk to the guy forever but I've got some more conversation with him. I cannot let this conversation go without talking about staying. I remember come down to sting Coming down and WW. Centerstage TV. I would just to get a look or made him try out. Sting was on fire. Were there. It was centerstage rate atmosphere little bitty building and a classic opponent for you and you brought that guy from nowhere to superstar on your back so we're GonNa talk about that when we come back a few more questions and some other stuff and some other pitfalls of the road but man my brain spending. I'm not looking at anything. It's just a great conversation mode. Darwin stealth mode recording audio. Whoop ASS history with the nature. Boy Ric flair. 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And we were talking about what we're talking about before we went to break. I WanNa talk about staying because I remember I took a test visit down to Atlanta. I actually drove up talk about Matt born earlier. I drove down to Atlanta with Matt borne from Dallas Texas and got to look at the center stage setup Watch sting perform you there. It was absolutely insane and you know this is right win. I guess you'd started working with you. Came always yeah. Yeah Bill Broken with Bill Watch and actually you broken out here out here with. What's the guy's name mom? Would you would no no. No no the promoter here. Oh yeah the promote here. Kennedy was name. I can't remember but anyway down at working Blade runner and rock as was named attack. Name escapes me. But anyway they split up. Yeah staying comes to the blade runners. That's my bad big fan stinks. There goes through New York. Yeah it'd be and I would watch Ultimate watched dingo Warrior Jim in Dallas last year when I was going to school there and he would go on to become the ultimate warrior and have a great career but dare sting was and so there. You are the man What did you think when you first met stink? Because you're the guy that really put him on a map You know it stings one of those guys looking to say just the nicest kidney. Yeah yeah I mean and All he wanted to learn and he had the Grizz. Look at look back with the paint in the long trucks. I know crewcut in all of. Yeah need phenomenal physique. He looked like a million bucks and like steamboat. I said let me have this guy yet. A lot of fire yet. A lot of charisma and that Atlanta crowd I mean the local crowd came to him and then worldwide did it. Well yeah but I mean he. He really found a home there and found a following. Yeah we did that. Forty five minute our at forty seven and drawn Greensboro on the classic champions that got eight five rating against wrestlemainia right. When was it? I remember when tours Patella Tendon. I was thinking Oh my God was was Christie. Yeah champion say and he went down. He's GonNa make it back. I didn't among the wounded. What happened is climbing the cage? Yeah we were beating the crap out of. I can't remember who it was a night that we said. Hey we we only gave him thirty minutes right the becoming a great segment right right and I can't remember what happened but Anyway we started beating the hell somebody in Steve came. Down to make the save clamp cage and I knocked him off the cage. He failed on towards Tilton. I didn't know it. And then worsen that as I climbed out of the cage in through the door and ran and jumped on top of them on the Rams S. idea that he was hurt Felt terrible so he goes down. He comes back and of course he would offer a year. Yeah of course I mean that's a serious deal but he made a comeback and but it was but it was you that they put him on a map. Well I think is that what to do with it. Yeah Yeah Well. I mean who else was working major programs with nobody. He was married three hundred. Exactly I'm saying little responsible to here. Yeah don't get me wrong. You Gotta get your cell phone. It was like. We're GONNA steamboat. Though he he wasn't a technician by any means that steamboat was good. He hadn't had time to learn. Yeah but he had a lot of fire and he had a million dollar look and men. The people loved them. Yeah thank you don't have to be the greatest worker and he's very good worker but you have to be the greatest worker in the world appear worker to get over. Yeah you need something and so when you went to TNA all these years later and of course he's running strong. Yeah he looks as good as ever. He's cut some day. He's got the best promos of his life. Yeah and he's on top over there and he just keeps on ticking he's had a wonderful career it just. It amazes me that he's never gone to New York. Well you know that's the thing I'm yeah he's the only guy cat cracker drink. He just won't even have a job. You don't willpower and okay okay. That that's great. You just said something alcohol in the road and pills you said you never were big pill got never never in my life about alcohol but you WanNa know smoker either. No don't laugh to use. Neil cocaine nothing but you're just a drinker. Does a drinker. That was my thing man. I love the whiskey volume beer and then I got a red wine kick if I had bad injury. I'd take a bank bill here. I got carried away like a Lotta these guys do and so many of the pitfalls that go with specific to pro wrestling but the entertainment industry in general and certainly a business like professional wrestling where you can be introduced to a lot of pain but guys start taking those pills out of boredom just to get a buzz and so many of our friends and brothers are are gone because of that and I mean come on why is that. Rick is a specific to pro wrestling a little bit. Different one word. What choice choice. No nobody makes any way that you know. The thing of it is at the schedule with wrestler. A little bit different because we're out of the building eleven o'clock at night right and then on a seven o'clock flight in the morning right so me. I just went and got I just want drank right but some guys are taking dollars. Go to sleep at night and then digging up in the morning and reading pain pills. Yeah you know and not all of the day and the middle of the day. It's terrible it's just a vicious cycle and I mean I'm sure I was on another sports too. I mean yeah but I mean when you look at the the death rate per our industry guys dropping like flies. I mean you had to famous saying one time. I think it's a jar your memory here. You're talking about pets on a bunch of rock and Roll Stars. They're not doing what we're doing. Hail you remember remember what. I'm talking about taking part in like a rock star. Yeah those guys can hold shit latched now that we lead with a key to bed but with the physical toll exacted in the ring the training that the gym work and then and then the game got it. We've got beers coming in. That's okay we leave us in Mo. Low main is going to get the beard the nature boy just ordered but I didn't. I ordered the beer living a life of a pro athlete and Hey guys love I mean I mean if you think about it and I mean I don't even care for the game myself when I one hundred sixty baseball games. You kidding me. It's too long. Yeah hundred and sixty games. Yeah IT'S SURPRISE. More of those guys aren't done a lot of guys. Were doing uppers and start. Bobbing Ammonia uppers. Dude used to help. You gotTa Work. One Hundred. Sixty two game schedule. Yeah the one hundred sixty again. I'm not trying to put an indictment on baseball. They got enough problems with everybody on that. It's it's an unbelievable schedule. I mean the greatest thing that ever for me and I'm a huge. Nba Star wasn't went on strike and came back and only played. Half a season led to play four games a week even eighty games long season. Yeah we talked about kind of the high period of reverse drinking. He's drinking that. Can you open mind? Mo I your cheers cheers. Just tip the beer swigging beer for the working man today to work man as nature boy ric flair hang on. While I take a Swig of my beer. That's cold. We talked about the highest of highs. And you said that was running through a period of years with the four horsemen and so now that that was a fun. Time the funnest but okay but before is next question. Let me ask this question. You said you lost your confidence in eighty nine hunting at. Do you WanNa talk about that. Because I can't remember why you lost your confidence wrote about my book. Yano but I didn't read the book. Oh neither we talked about this but what happened. I was working for heard who I couldn't get along with at all. I tried everything. Did you guys see because the guy his claim to fame when he sold it to Jack Petri? His claim to fame was that he was a channel manager at the old chase where we did really. He was a channel manager not they knew nothing about wrestling right and he was run running domino's company when they brought him in the ball wrestling. I mean hence the dealings anyone he wanted to cut my hair and call me spartacus. Shoot I read. That shoot. He wanted just to give you a change in cutler here form gay. I remember the haircut. But yeah call you spartacus. Yep that's gotta be the dumbest Shit I ever heard of warr emails. Kevin Sullivan said don't want to just chain Mickey Mantles Name Guy. A restarted right. Then he goes when Diego. You're thirty nine years old. We're GONNA GOTTA DO quickly. We gotTa Start Moving with Youth Boy. That's a slap in the face when you're thirty nine thirty nine. That's Orion Fortieth Yup. You even hit. You're trying to very me. You know. But he's so anyway what happens. So what like you? Don't see eye to eye. You're thirty nine years old though so what happened to my listeners and wrestling thirty nine man from a storytelling standpoint in a mature standpoint. I mean really. That's prime. Yeah you know I do. I'm wrong and it ain't about athletic performance. If you're trying to can be Ray Lewis on Baltimore. Ravens defense. Maybe not so much but wrestling. It's two thousand thirteen in this happened in. Nineteen Eighty nineteen eighty seven when he came in eighty six. So how old were then? I got a calculator doesn't matter anyway. Crime and you lose new cabinets Did he called me one day. And I didn't have a contract in place or any said I want you to show up to drop. The belt. Signed the first time I ever took a stand my life. I said ain't dropping nothing not to you. Give me my new contract lying right and so I went down to their tone a beach and he called me and I said okay. We'll do They wanted me to drop it to Luger Right. And I saw what I'll do I'll drop it to Berry Wyndham telling me where to be and you know what he said to me if you yeah I'll bury you. In a sense. Doug dillinger of all people already get developed right doug determined you turn the left right right so I I I. I called Vince. I said I'm coming. He said could bullshit me. I said no. I mail on the belt and he walked around on TV. That was it but so what what made you lose your governance? Pretty I mean no one. No once I got out of there is fine but you know just undermining me all the time telling me that you know getting old then. I cut my hair wanted to kill myself for the greatest hand flee visual standpoint but so what did you do your to your match quality. We still performing ringer. I think for Year I've for for a year. I was not the same ring and I mean because I was at self-confidence heard been in this you know been in four horsemen wrestled. All these guys have been everywhere on all of a sudden. I got a guy telling me that you know thing in a I mean my greater St. has go dig a hole outside the ring. And never that Gimmick Jesus socially go you go into a WWF and others right back on top down up mentally so but we know that man. The way I look back wrestling each territory has so much history. But that NWEA history. It's just hard to tie. It is and I just remember so much more of your career there but way Vince McMahon does business is attention to detail it is the big league. It's make no mistake diagnosed and don't get me wrong. I'm from you know WWF. Yeah I left my body parts all over the world were young with WWF. So I love the company but I just have so many members of you. Nwea so was the atmosphere. Different at Riazan was just another step down the road our grade was. I got here with other friends with. Db Asi Forever Dias. He was here and Hulk was just Kinda teeter-tottering background. But then I think he was getting ready to make thunder in paradise. But I'm traveling a road. I'm working with the haning. Working with the with the deviancy. Terry Taylor was there. I mean disagreed chemistry and then I'm working with savage even always a tough time in his life because he was having held with Liz Beck Rhino but when randy was still ran ran. Good guy and You know I don't want to get involved in that part. Of course an ad you know didn't WanNa get involved in his personal life and made we shot that angle where she was Miami before he she was minding before. That didn't help either. Yeah and I was just going okay. I mean But I mean Bobby Heenan was there I mean I just I just loved it or not. You know with Devious than I ever did this. Very close at fun crew will bury us was their time to a great crew. Yeah but but let me ask you something. While you're in a business hot and heavy mad. He bought the territory from his dad's never WF But he's pushing through. Its Territory System. Is you know everybody kind of stays in their playground. Then visit man starts using TV starts going nationwide infiltrating other other people's territories. You're watching all this. Go down. You're seeing some of the territory start. Disappeared they all. He's absorbing them. Yeah so what's going through your mind as you're watching this process unfold. Well actually for a while we gave. We gave you guys not you. Because you're with us and we gave you guys a run Crockett in to this day. I'm going to if Crockett had stayed east of the Mississippi River and never tried to do California and all that TV number one. The does the Super Channel. Wasn't I mean now that perception the super superstition but the the audience or the the number of people the viewers rent wasn't in California. Where like we go to Ohio on hope to Philadelphia and those the building. You guys you guys were been the spectrum. We'd be the Civic Center. Bright Ten thousand strong. I mean it was mead. Me are a lead over against the road warriors sting. I mean we had a hot ticket but they they got this bug that they wanted to go go pete out in the West Coast and we got killed. What do you think now because I mean you were there when all the territories were there and start drying up? And you look at two. And today's landscape is hard for you know not local wrestling. I mean there's yeah silly down in Orlando but I'm beating a dead horse here. I just I miss the days of all the territories as learn how to work. And Yeah when you went to New York. You'd already paid eight to ten years worth of dues to get that break. Yeah because you're in a territory they don't actually actually actually almost twenty. Yeah 'cause I started in seventy two. Yeah yeah but I mean once I got there. I said Blam why 'cause I had a chance to go and eighties. You know Vince wanted me to Russell. Savage it's summer slammed back in nine hundred six. I just I was so. Nwea just couldn't keep myself leaving. And I felt like I was being disloyal right. Say ended up staying on about look back now. I don't regret that but I only imagined the run I would have had if I came an eighty five eighty six and I remember mark As a fan back in the day you know I I would look at the pro. Rest knows traded the top ten. You can look at all the federations. That NWEA champion was kind of the real champion. The I it's I just saw. What's his name Jordan Donald Bill? I I what I can't stand the number one you have me most hated number two but Piper had me right number three yet hold number. One is the world champion. How that work? I Rem- all the time because every week it change but the best speaks to the way. The pro wrestler illustrated with the boys. 'cause that was kind of like the Bible it was almost a shoot and so everybody lied. Ever look at it but people ran. Jomie Hogan's better new. So so what happened? You started off with Barney. Broke here and you wouldn't that. Nwea WWF TNA back and forth every place. But what did you think when when when Verne went out of business while it reason for business he wouldn't change with the time I mean had a hell of a Raji Outta hell of Cherry picking? But he just wouldn't you know. I know vern got inducted into hall of fame. You know that ranch. Yes but three years ago. Four years ago Actually for me like seven years ago but I'm vern had his own way to do business and he won't take it. Yeah but that was you know he. He could have made a fortune. Convince offer. A lot of money right I'm the number but I'm sure that considerable right. I mean if you think about this and this is a mind boggling number I. I'm pretty close with a million or two right Vince. What W W for five or six million dollar just by the library the library? I had no one you could do that. He paid five or six million dollars for the whole company right to any bought that library which is priceless and I would have found someone to buy the library. I think that just speaks volumes of housesmarts now far guide anybody else. W for converged I if between four and seven million dollars a funny story because I was there. What about the library? Yeah I was there and he always tells me that story because him and Ted Turner were friends and he always. They weren't no well. Well I mean they were acquaintances. He told me the story he got a phone call from Teddy. Goes Vents Ted Turner? Yeah One College Norman. Wrassling BUSINESS CONVINCES ANSWERED. Him was well. That's Great Ted. I'm an I'm an entertainment business. Shit that was a different way invented and of course you got the Monday night. Wars and SUE ANTICA ASKS for two years and finally we got stroke and Steve Austin showed up. All those guys made all that money right. Vince deserted. Yeah just in Iran down. Ww those about the last days and guaranteed money. You know no I get it. It was guaranteed money. But I want some loyalty man. I know it's a slippery slope that chain and then they would go on on TV and say we'RE GONNA kick Vincent they talk about it on. Tv I mean what what what Avetissian makes you do crazy stuff. I know but it was no reason for that. I mean it just coexist and do your thing. I mean I tell you about events with me. He has been up in Santa. Right doing a commercial right. He's got a picture of Jane Fonda and says I love you nature boy on the mantle or they're film me let's make change on me. He shoddy in afraid to go. I don't want to admit I mean me and debtor buddies but go James Bond. I love you neutral. Good Lord a what some of the craziest stuff you've seen ban on the road when entering a Rab First of all I'm over now. I don't like ribbon. Nobody and people didn't really rid me either because they got that. I wrote a few of my wives. But that's okay. We're talking about staying married on what happened. What happened to stay married? A road I haven't been able to do everything is great until they can't go with you right. It's like I've had to that Just the last two that I you know. I made him take them to Europe in Europe is fun yes okay you take them to Europe and riding the buses and drink beer and saying you know much backed down got good Lord. We couldn't wait to get deer with more funding. The states we're God's over there and But demanded minute you gotta leave him home then. They think you're having the same time you know in the states and you're not because you raw you're there at twelve you're on top of your outta their twelve and it's work it's worried you see the glamour on. Bs Rehearse Rearers Rearers. Walk Through. Walk through walked. I mean it's a long day. You need to have a beer store over talented. I told over Wrestlemainia. I don't like telling the story is. I was married to tiffany right and she took every word Australia Japan and she saw all right. Eight and travel on. The bus was seen him. We had a ball right And she's only woman that over it. Got Me to call the hotel room. I don't know why fell. Were did the you know once again. Not thinking straight. I have done a tap and the few down right now some in Indianapolis and I'm downstairs at the Bar with Mike Adam and Sina right you know it was like midnight and I said I'm going to have a few beers with Sina. She said you ever going to grow up. I said I don't know when we're GONNA grow up. What what what are you talking about? What are you gonNa grow up and realize you need to just go to bed at night and not go out now? She was with me. Are you kidding all right and I said well? I'm sorry I just you know. I think I've worked harder. They don't go very. She said well she let me ask you something else. This is this is this. Was the home run. She goes she goes. What do you have in common with someone? Thirty years younger new talking about CNN. Say No I said what did you just say to me? And she said I said. What do you have in common with someone thirty under you? I said you know what I'll let you know. Marl bone and power down. The cell phone came home. We're going to Maureen. I got home. She moved out. You kidding me. Playing the game like we to me what I did. I came home and she just moved enough stuff out like try to scare me right. I I. It was father's day that I got home right on the road that week. Timing and I got two minutes truck which wasn't even open on father's Day. I took everything of Hers. I had in the house everything pack it up into grover and dumped on our girlfriends Frankfurt and there were doctor again and then of course then six months later at she forty grand on the bank and call when she left. Rates Dictum latest. Got Him money. Those you soothe me had to give it another hundred forty grand. It amazes. I didn't do it. It was called a no fault divorce to make sense not cheating on anybody. Yeah just everybody thinking. I'm a multimillionaire. Hey you know when you're growing up as a kid in Minnesota Humble Beginnings Right. Yeah Very Oh my. Mama Debra thank as a kid you know what every night and you hear in a conversation and someone says yeah when I talk to my lawyer the other day and as a kid thing. Why are we talking to a lawyer? Why would you need a lawyer growing up as a kid middle-class famous out Texas? I think man that's great. I'll never need a lawyer understand why you would these days. I know you've had your share lawyer. Got Full of my kidding me. Up Sick lawyers. It cost me five hundred forty thousand dollars an attorney to get divorced from Beth. Five hundred and forty grand in two years out of it for four fifty. I know what happened? Why was summits colleges so much? Because it is dragged on and dragged on and dragged on and the guy's a thousand dollars in our best and of course I wanna down God forbid behind somebody else right and I was paying them. Seventeen thousand a month and at that time which is a story that. I'm very proud of. He didn't like me talent. Vince lent lent me eight hundred grand to get through that time right and of course the one thing I did too I can see that I attributed to my back. Here's been right. He said you know you wanted to Claire. Bankruptcy came back. I paid them back. Every dime took me three years telling the story air right. Yeah okay okay. I know that he doesn't like to be acknowledged as well. But it's the truth. He had a grand and he called me and said hey you wanted to call her bankruptcy Not that at one time or the course of a year. When I said not number do that and I didn't I paid them back. Every hard to hold wrestlemainia check was Shawn Michaels biggest. Check out of my life but there is one man which makes what you say and all the promoters. Tell the guys come into the territory? I'm drinking beer. Finally with the nature ball ric flair which stealth mode dial down to. Everybody blamed a marriage. I mean as Labor is already. We come back to work my spots. Who Keep this show all the all the world champions gotta go out tonight okay. Alright every white country. Welcome to the Steve Austin. Shell cover back to the nature boy ric Flair man-to-man face to face in a hotel room Los Angeles California. It's summer slam as we speak. They'll get an older man. I about call higher smart with Rick for the others bleeding. Second Tab mode our stealth mode catching all this audio wabash recording it for posterity and history. Rick I gotta ask you. I could sue the greatest of all time favorite Ray Stevens. Who else do you hold it in high regard? I have a list here all my computer. Limited is run through a couple of neighbors. And I'll just you drop me a little four one. We'll keep a long story short on his cats and we're not running by down. Just your opinion not loot this way doesn't I never thought I'd never solve the wrestle man on but Lou Lou is Nolan has been a very tough guy are very tough. Guy Is certainly an important historic. I don't I know personally Greatest of all time. You Walk Koroma Norfolk. Right and walking around shaking hands. Everybody I could live the Norfolk Virginia. Right and Luger. While who says I want stories goes on? Says he says that okay. We just said that you got to see the visual running video. That was great. I don't know what it reminded me of the story W is going to Kansas City. Hard livings basically the pool. All the guys go over to hardest. Yes after the show we on a drink. Beer and Billy Gunn was down there. Motril Apar- beat Harley race on his own pool table three times in a row. Yes I give elbow like come on kindergarten beating eight time world champ like a drug ozone houses would w w over their nose. Debussy. I was there to. He's making his own crib like come on due to say time world champ. I didn't win one vs okay. Well you're number two on the last. Okay I'll say the greatest of all time. Okay let's there's Rhino San Martino Y just made peace with him because you guys are not no. I wrote my book that You Know Brunel a man in our friends. We made peace at risk. Because I I was never mad at him but I did say that you know. He was in a five state area right. That was it right. I got you because I was when I was in champion. He came Saint Louis one time and nobody who was right and he was a good performer. And all but he didn't have to perform his he. Just you know crush guys but among the good matches that but I I have nothing respect for but when people ask me my opinion of Dory funk junior who was a world champion or Bruno Sammartino at the same time. I I gotta go dory and it is. I mean the bad. What about got you ever? Franklin Franklin and Russell don't really know met him in Tampa though supposed to be a tough guy real tough. Yeah Yeah Yup real tough. Well let me put Billy Robinson's name on one of the guys that trained you real real tough at a real good performer. Boga did you work with him. Billy Chicago and check it out. I I kind of heard it every now and then you take a couple of days. It was never know. Never know never with me. He tried to be great. I I haven't seen him in years but I got along great with Billy. Let's talk about this gap Shawn Michaels Shumur Goes I. I called him the greatest entering perform. I've ever seen your favorite wrestler and you're showing Michael Save wrestler triple ages. I consider them the best performer on a ninety nine out basis. I've ever seen that what he can do. Athletically the stores that can tell execution. Never budget anything. Your thoughts on shown. Just follow your mind right out the best Yeah I mean the only guy that ever put the same class. I'm not saying he couldn't do it in half to. But the only guy that I've ever compared to Sean who I've worked with a lot was stabled right yeah right. Yeah but team didn't do the flips off rapper. Open Sean is just done some fatal stuff. I could never do not tell people I mean. I had such great chemistry with what the Rock and Brad Hart. Yeah but when I talk about me work with the pure. Maybe I love working with Ricky steamboat. Because he was a guy that he would ship something in. I'm calling yeah ninety percent of that match. Yeah he's filling in all the guests and that's what I loved about steamboat. You grab that headlock ain't got to tell him top rest he's going to. That's that's his in. Yeah he's GonNa start coming into that top. I lock in fighting out of the Sandwich on. Yeah and Sean had that ability when he sells you believe it. Yeah he instinct or a class by themselves and I'll stay. I'll stay on the ground about that. Tell me about Nick Bach winkle wrestled. Nick When I was in the champion with every champion and a couple of times I thought it was real good in all but my problem was I couldn't get away Stevens at that point in time. I mean Nick. Nick was real good. And by the way Nixon bed health right now. Not Alzheimer's Oh I didn't know that real bad So he might not be with us on what I loved it very close friends. He taught me a lot Taught you lot in. What regard about the business right autumn? He's the greatest line was interviewed. Good hey goes. That's why look Egos role you eight to five humanoid lifers you set greatest getting. He never read. It wasn't like meeting crazy. He always dress sharp scarf. The pockets urban goes for all your life as a can't comprehend who I am A. Hey what what are your thoughts. I never saw you work with hundred giant many times. Yeah God you kidding me? I was at great wasn't believable. But I did right yet. We take him over and ahead like in. Orlando that you kidding. Me This When I was in Libya champion I wrestled wrestled against them in tag matches forever. I was I was his chauffeur. We started the same year Minneapolis. Are you kidding? Rarick couldn't wait for vers. Take this kid around with the Radisson Haley ad. I took everybody we walk around. He couldn't speak English real name. John you wouldn't under the giant then all I have fallen in Charlotte. I took them up Ebay under six beers of five hours. I tell third of shoe shoot five hours one hundred six beers never we were bell. Wise manager drank drank. Fredericks nifty. I am number or the the motor Allen Seventies. You kidding me Angelo. Mosca looking into you keep hanging around him. You'll be overstaying. Their walking the beat thirty. Why what what about? Okay Manage Randy savage other. Grandpa thought renewed reporter. You know rent. Iran is Only show ready is does he live in a world of paranoia and I just I felt bad for very paranoid guy. Even to the end you know in any finally found happiness gotten a good place. And you're you're having a heart attack. Got PEOPLE WANNA know. Why a drink every day here he is ran you all the money in the world. Not spending a dime right. Yeah never be very frugal but that's okay. Nothing wrong with that but he finally happiness. Yeah got remarried a free year. 'cause he never got over lives forever right really and then he dies. Driving across the bridge in Tampa. And I'll tell you what I was a heartbreaker for me. I just get manny mentally. I WORKED WITH HIM IN ORLANDO. I did a job form his back. When did you have the book back? In way they go to match for with me and Orleans for was okay. Yeah. I didn't have much any plans for me. Did worked with him. One time lead to order mainstream by his work and bastiat very intense loved the persona of the Promo. Yeah love the execution he was he was. He was just a very intense human being. Yeah let's talk about your own annual profit that his dad right. When I was traveling in the in the seventy four hundred had no money. Yeah it's asleep in the car with Angel. I'm rogue randy and Lanny. Yeah speaking of. Here's a guy you know. Love Pretty Well Piper the swap back. Yeah Hey said it. Had A blast. Can't say enough about them. I love against promos. I loved what he didn't already. You wouldn't most athletic guy in the world but I loved. You don't have to be athletic. I'm just saying what he did. Then again there were down. He's talking about well. You don't say about his duration you either loved him or you hated him whatever he wanted you to do. He wrote my book the truth. This is nothing against anybody but ventures afraid to do it clearly. But they've made paper the world champion. See back in it was him and Hogan before five guys it just so much in turmoil inside right and all that but I wrote my book they made Roddy Piper the world champion when he was hot I mean not they were selling it anyway but Piper should add to run. You never got right. You know. It's funny even human organ wrestling other. Nobody went down on not the best. Doing what was what I love. I love me some hot rod man I tell you I wish we could talk forever. I can tell his body pipers deters you me and him but like this in seventy eight right. Good Lord me The best one is So I go to San Domingo for Cologne told by on the show right. You can talk about on the show right. Oh Yeah Okay Great. Yeah so what happens is Rotties doing commentary. He left and they wouldn't and Barnett Higher Right. So Roddy is so witty for determine color commentary in Florida and of course he killed somebody right there. Because he's a witty rate so then Barnett put him up there with Gordon solely and Bob Armstrong. Just just one whatever title ahead in Georgia. Five percent on Air. He lets you. Bob Put two legs belong on. Racehorse not a man right but big everybody fired until he called me ain't GonNa job so I took an Puerto Rico in the right by. What a ball of fiber so we go to Santa. Domingo going is right and I'm wrestling guy named Jack Veneto and it's a military state right under the president's on this sitting in the front row right and bananas five six hundred six because you've got to sleep around me and then go one thousand one. One thousand to handwrite BOOM BRING NOBEL. Fool not to them. It wasn't man. Referee gave me the belt but get back to them to get rid of keep it. Yeah I left it there all and they want you back. I'M GONNA pay ten thousand dollars so go ch go back. I mean bring Piper. God why did you Piper with? Because I wanted to make sure nobody gets it. The first time I flew flew a lot of passport. He Yeah so anyway you Piper course right yeah. He's got the American flag with him. We have my yard waving American flag and then the finish was were piper trips as guy and cover mold lease yet hot. Are you kidding me? They a bill fiber together billing to clock in the morning What we are doing. Hold away what he'll get out at Ryan you kidding. Jesus don't even get me going. Good what was your favorite villain to work building favorability to work of my Khokar. Yeah Greece granted borough then. That was a symbol of killed. Yeah Yeah we were sold out can like this you know we went to Winston Salem. I'M NOT SURE I think Steve. You were up. North and the base has always wanted to war games so they said no road work in Salem and they had the war games Dip The bad guys on over. Kill the Tom Right. Kill the Tom. That place used to have a great atmosphere to it now. Ray Wrestling degrees borough O rings. Yeah Kidney Manny to love this story like Stories Right. So Johnny was paralyzed right. So so they vacated the US title and utter respect for. Johnny Valentine was. Everybody came Harley Dory Terry they had now have everybody there right for the US titles sold out. Yeah Johnny Wheelchair but it was right we go back to the Holiday Inn. And there's a bunch of marks and a parking lot like the old days it was heat back down right. Yeah in two guys jumped on for compound Jones and beat the shit out of really. Do you remember politics? A great guy tough guy to guide them up so then the two guys. They had rented a huge banquet room for the Kraken had for the party. Rate into about forty guy for arts guys in the room and they had club bill walkout. Innovate these two guys into the party. Like come on join us right yet. They talking about the Murdoch coming in Harley Man. They kicked that. The both briskly were there I mean it was unreal. Those two guys are still still hospital saying Oh we think I couldn't get part of it is back and at my God. He had no no one beats. One of argus was such a strong crew of workers characters. Your honest whatever you WanNa Call Them. Guys really lit up here for a while. It was really on fire ahead ahead of stay until a car accident. Sidelined him was magnum. Ta I know not terribly on. He was on the road to being a super way to being world champion. Yeah and how did you get along with him while very well? I won't grow up on me. Right and Magnum was a great kid but he what happened was on. I was in Birmingham Alabama Wrestling Bob Armstrong for the world title. Right which in but it was the draw right in Iran the rules. It was only a half hour match and never did a half hour. Draw the world champion except when otherwise. We're fuller rights you. They call me and say Magnum with an was in a terrible accident right. Yeah and go find yourself flying in the morning close. He's not hospital. I drive out of the hospital at that. Time Terry couldn't move nothing for a month. And he was one of those old iron lung type deals. He was not life but life support and the only way he could communicate was to touch his tongue. That has metal thing right. Yeah and he told me later on. He was delayed there all night long. They wouldn't come and take care of them me to hell and to this day. I dissolved my son's general. I I see him in Charlotte. Yeah he's he's got he's happy and we've got kids and all that. Yeah but he's still like this. I mean it's terrible. And all he would what he was doing. We all back on a jet that night. And we're all drinking my hell right. There is one of those guys that are portion. Like the fly right. The never see build on you rounded the corner on Providence road are on Saturdays road. North Charlotte's Martin Riley right and car flew and hit. A tree should seen the car he. I don't know how he lived through it. You know porsches nothing right to be the engine. The back in on the fun alternative say he was going thirty five miles an already magnum rate seventy miles an hour who adenan double knockout knock out both his wife and his girlfriend show but the hospital. Oh no and up. That he was married he was made too long. I can't remember her name all my God so then I always is trying to help. Monitor that deal tree could talk to billy out his brother but he whispered into. We've loved a lot on my plate. Here Man Laureus. Oh God hey Such Tamra was his first wife right much such a good looking guy. I mean he had their body and everything and he could. Hey tell the budget we gotta we gotTa talk about cough kill all. I'm to see next weekend. Oh man yet you're gonNA see next week have never met him. Please tell him I said. Oh you kidding. Bertha to twenty four of them doing a big signing up in Richmond rose and Reggie Jackson all those guys what Telhami Same Henry that I want you to work for it and maybe hey so you still keep in contact with an Aquinas. Well you know. I think you guys had fun working back in the day. You kidding yeah name here that the Russians the Russian nightmare over over man one night were one night we're wrestling and Philadelphia doing double shop Philadelphia multiple right and the plane was late. And they go to me. They of course me right. Can you go on our them? Going our them he's got to moves the sickle and the single was going now. He's a great guy but but she thinking aren't as great as Nikita Coal. Nobody that out over so big. He never talked. We right. Come Jimmy Dean workout. He'd never talk like you didn't understand English. Yeah and people people want it. Yeah down for a little while. I traveled with him for a while through. Cat is made him and Black Barton and did one day. They call them said the N. cash the check in the year. Get a check in a year. What was he doing red them? I didn't want to pay taxes Ottawa. Now that he just save as a that's how he saved. He didn't cash the check. You know agree kid for Minneapolis Eddie. Sharkey Willnot didn't teach him nothing. I Love Eddie. But you know yeah. It's like the road warriors. They came down and I saw them hating and the guy goes to be these are road. Wears Okay Mike. And of course I really became close friends with them but I mean rude came out of that school and you share. It gets cool on all that right. But Eddie didn't teach him anything about etiquette and money and who who taught him way back then I mean. What did you think when a road wars roll onto the scene came? Awa Yup and when dad. Nwea tell you what they you know. They were on all. There's another great take the holy. She left him often. Yeah and and I always put them on less. I'm glad we got to him where we'll tell them. Big Man would interview where Al with those those guys with the no sell stuff to our south looks. Promos is to make up the personas. Just man they were money yet. We come up we just go out there and take press lamb for about an hour and a half with him being fifty minutes and what they would do. They'd sell ours. Dvd that was good right. We'd cut one off of the DDT and they sold great and everything but brother as being in a war games with Mike eggs during the last one coming in all brother Mike out dirt because we're spitting on 'em Mike with the last one in when Mike came in. He broke his collarbone Olympic each other people animal at his shoulders make above adopter over that clothesline. Bro. Jj Colorful we're all. We're all can help me out of it. I go testy. Can we you or somebody else come in second last might go in a little doll? My God hit those traps hall. Yeah and men coming down the ramp it was just intimidation and of course again nominal. Hay Day this was when wrestled with these it was real the warriors. Let me Ted. We did forty seven forty seven war games in a row was called the great American Bash. Yeah forty seven in a row walking locker room when there's a list for check who's GonNa do this right. Are you kidding me? I think myself forty seven. I said why am I never off the list? I remember being. Usda for a long time. I've traveled with Tom. Prichard he was Can Lead Hill and met. He added open wound on his head just him. And you know somebody really. Yeah Tom the Great Oh yeah. He gave me a lot of great advice. Travel down the road and interesting character. I got the time I rent to five hundred. The Balloon Birmingham. No this would be a great story for me to end the show on me. I was working for a fuller and Birmingham was one of their towns we spent. I refused to drive back after it went three hundred miles. From Pensacola where office was right. So I got Thomas Benet Birmingham got up next morning instead. What what he said. What your new for whereas five hundred free squats. I did every day. Right religiously right. He couldn't walk. He said I use a vegetable hates getting conditioned man and he's a great guy. Brother Bruce Great Guy to God. Oh Yeah I've been trying to get bruce on his show. I loved him and he was doing brother. La All my pillow evangelism thing when he started doing I was like I bought her pay. For Plus Bruce Bruce Bruce's wife said serious cancer gymnast. Bruce Gone Cancer. Yeah that to now Bruce got to. He's in remission. I mean you've been through a lot man a blade jobs you figure you've done. Oh I don't know. Let me forty years thirty five years every night. I don't know he told me you know what what what is so funny. And maybe I'll twist say sick when I broken visit. Red Is Green Green old problem. Buddy I used to Show me how to put it on her. I used to travel down the road for a while. I was working a lot with Dustin Rhodes. Yeah and man we'd have some very snug work with work. Yes you can. And so. We're very cody. Yeah so anyway. We rolled in Phoenix Arizona. One time in Grizz was remanded was agent running the show and doesn't like little color each other. So does the Grizz Grizz think me and Steve might be able to go out there and a little bit of color. Yeah Looked out between the curtains. What nobody there. Yeah yeah might help the place. Y'All go ahead Bowie. Come back double color and sure enough a red riding the Lugar air when he saw me. He just didn't know what to say just happen. I don't think he got things that always got me when you went into that ring. That dirty ass canvas guys had sweat on dead on her bloodstains air where they barely washed it. And we're lucky we're not all day. Yeah you guys been walk around address room on piss stains and showers and then through the Alberta but you once you get on that Matt. There's nothing like a smell of a wrestling canvas and it makes me feel at home. There's nothing like it gave. You WanNa hear the homerun story. This is more going home right. So ashes reads bomb right. Yeah calls tiffany right instead? He took forward to the house. 'cause they actually got along here right and so she goes. I was watching the history channel last night in one. One of one hundred million people has this gene. Were nothing or the never get sick. Never give up has a rich rich and have AIDS. He he should have epidemic. See we're not going to get insurance. Money Gotten Gene. Nice one hundred gene joke going on now the history channel gene. There's the damn matching the damn dirtiest things in the world but when you get in there and you get on top of the thing and you start reading anything about it but you love it you had the smell that's home and hell talking about smelling a dirty ass bloody sweaty his name Matt. I'm talking with the nature boy ric flair. We've all done hooked up last night at the. Wwe TO K fourteen video game release and things started all there and ended up to here. And I've been talking to him for several hours when make a couple of as you guys have noticed number one more time. Well that's a piece of shit anyway wrapping his whole thing up Rick. We've got to get the last night at the W two fourteen video game release. We had a blast. We just talking to the dressing room Before went out there the green room rather and I was like We better save some of this for the for the show and Medicine you know. This is the longest I've ever sat down and talk with you and the time that I've known you. You have never traveled roads together on a couple of times together. Yeah yeah but I mean yeah but nothing really sit down with no bar people because you guys like you and I socialize right. You're talking about something else. Yeah Yeah you do. You're right. You're right about that anything. There's two things you don't do you. Don't talk about politics the business of religion. When you're bringing your read about that. Do you know where to win? Yeah there's no way while you do end up knocking somebody to WANNA knock candice and divisive line. Everybody has their beliefs. But but you know what I appreciate you doing the show and I've enjoyed talking to you because again not telling no I was doing my research thinking about all this stuff and I said man. I'm just going to talk to this guy because I'm a fan and I love the business and and we both do so. I know that my listeners can be happy that you came on the show. We dropped so much four one one. If you ever liked bill fly on the wall. This was a conversation that you're lucky. You're that fly. I want to thank everybody for For downloading the show rookie got anything else. I've been made into push twitter account. It's Rick flair nature boy ric flair in a T. boy on twitter. And of course you can go to ric flair dot com and the he also had his book. He wrote a long time ago. He ain't read. I read is called to be the man as about the greatest wrestler that ever walked on God's green earth and that's the bottom line because I'm saying it he got any parting words any words of wisdom anything you'd like. Get off your chest. Say I just say thank you for this moment because I've adore you as a human being as a man and I would hope that we both while I'm not getting married again. I hope you stay married. Okay we're both in their four times right so if you stay married. I'm I'm foreign all so okay And that's really enjoyed this and it brings back memories of what I consider the greatest in the world. I think I've had it. You have an. I had a good time doing it as well for the native ball. Ric FLAIR is Steve. Austin I'M GONNA come back with Jimmy Modi which rapids Ho Shenanigans Limousine riding jet flying kiss stealing wheeling-dealing son of a gun that tonight. I I might Steve. Not only do give some girl in. La Bri even going home going on written by live. I D I'm coming back mode rapids saying up nature ball ric flair the greatest of all time. Hey Man Yona richer home sure you do and I bet it can be hard work. You know what's easy bundling policies with GEICO GEICO makes it easy to bundle your homeowner's or renter's insurance along with your auto policy is a good thing too because you already have so much to do ran your home go to Geico Dot Com. Get a quote and see how much you could save it. Geico easy visit GEICO DOT COM. Today that's GEICO DOT COM I feel like I've been chop two hundred sixty three times on my chest. I feel like you've been launched off a thousand turn buckles and taking fifteen hundred backdrops talk to the one and only nature boy ric flair mode. GimME ANOTHER ONE. Little profile of with my favorite pro wrestler evolve time Mojo. Is that for you? Fly Wall like Mitch. Running the controls in stealth bowed. You was digging. That wasn't you. Oh eight does not get any better than that. If you would've told me ten years ago that be in a room with Stone Cold Steve Austin and the nature boy. Ric flair listening to the greatest stories of the past. I'd have a CG F twenty five twenty five. I think it's damn near Lethal. Might Dad but just stopped right there and pull my shit again. United LONGEST TIME. I've ever talked right flair and you know and doing the research read about him. I watch you know twenty thirty matches just to bring myself back up to speed but you know the conversation happened as it did and just went from one thing to another the thing about it is with a career like ric flair had We could talk to that guy for another three four five six hours. Hopefully down the road we will for Saul you people out there saying you didn't talk about this. She didn't talk about that. I'm planning on bringing Rick flair back. Steve Austin show. I mean there's just too much to talk about and A wealth of Information Mo and a wealth of stories he added we. We probably just only scratched the surface with that guy. Oh barely even touched the surface. He so great I I could probably count twenty times in the entire interview where he said. Hi got a great story for that and it was a story till I started smiling because there is a great storyteller. I don't think it's wise so great and ring and I'll tell you what we started talking about. Promos it all the other stuff I mean you know that guy believes it. He's a nature boy. Ric flair and. That's why he sold the tickets that he did. And that's why I guess that's why bought into his routine and that's why he's my favorite. I just dug the guy you know. It's the attention to detail that he put into his character. You saying eight thousand dollars for a robe back when he didn't have a thousand dollars. Yeah and then I and then you brought a pair of his boots into the room and they were custom-made gorgeous looking leather boots. I'm sitting there thinking. How much were those? Those are crazy man. I tell you what guys He's he's something else and it was a great catch up to him that a lot of fun there on the two K. Fourteen video game release much excess to To that game it was fun. Being on a panel. Things Kinda got a little out of control so people thought it was so entertaining Mo- or so many solar detaining that I had so much You know feedback over that. I think they're going to sell a million video games. It's it's so crazy I know I know. W. W wasn't happy with that but the press that you got out of that is what was worth. That's why you bring ric flair eyeballs. WanNa see that guy through something. They told him go out and be ric flair and and have a good time and he did show enough said and if they wanted to think differently. Should've said it. I'm rick flair's corner on this one I saw that video game. You're their promote. You'd like that headliner. That game to Jack Up one loan. You look good in their computer. I'm only get that figuring for man wrestlemania thirty and call it a day the PAYCHECK TO THIRTY SIXTEEN STREET. I'll they're eating. Alphabrain trump tech sport work out trying to look like a didn't a video game. You know it's funny eventually because they're doing that with movies now where they're bringing back like older actors to they did it. Withdrawn with Jeff Bridges. They had a computer animated younger version of himself. I could see you at your house with the microphone in front of you. Just control on your computer. Animated Steve Austin. And we'll open. Everyone's that they would have given that computer controlled. Gimmick about twenty years ago. Been good I wouldn't be feeling like I do now. I'm just kidding. I feel like a million bucks but that being said moesha twitter handle at Mo- Darwich man The fans have been great. You know I'm getting a lot of your fans following me. They're all really great people. The conversation's been great. You know what they're talking a lot about into WCW NWEA video game really. There's a lot of talk about talk about the video game. We might have to play the new to K. Fourteen here in the studio. Yeah you know what I'll talk to Bryce my about my hookup over there and get a video game and we'll talk about it here on the Steve Austin Joe Hell. I'm Steve Austin BS on. What are you can follow me there? Don't forget to check out the be our SCOPE DOT COM my four by twelve fifty miata hunting scope my very own scope that I use on my south Texas rig at the brokers go ranch Also annaborough go ranch dot com. And that's all I got to say about that. Mo- cue me up some musical send off with a little bit of vibration the form of music. Yeah you're that folks. Let me just have to get on my horse and get the fuck Outta died. You Turn Edgewood the Steve Austin. I catch you. Sorry ass down the road.

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Hair loss right away from the comfort of your own home. So I guess we start off by saying rest in peace to a bullet Bob Armstrong. Yes. The Patriarch of the Armstrong Wrestling Family? Brad Armstrong Scott Armstrong. Of roadlog Brian Armstrong. Their father bullet Bob passed away over this S. we not lost the mother as well. So our condolences go out to their family arrested piece to Bob on Straw. Bob Armstrong was born on October third nineteen, thirty nine. He was born. In the. Humble Beginnings in Marietta or His wrestling career started in nineteen sixty, adopt the ring name Bob Armstrong. He was born Joseph Milton James. A dry. He was a popular baby face in Savannah Georgia. He had he was a firefighter before that he had been. Focused on his wrestling career after a nineteen seventy. He unsuccessfully challenged Jack Brisco for the end of a championship. While this. While Bench dumbbell way. Upwards of one hundred eighty pounds. The bench that strong was lying upon broke leading to the weight falling on his face Armstrong face was severely damaged and his nose was torn entirely gun. He required at the time and this is nineteen. Seventies. He required thirty eight thousand dollars worth of surgery in the sobs. Oh Man. That's Then, he was once commissioner of smokey mountain wrestling Let's see. And then it continued all the way up until you know he was he was in WCW working with Brad. In matches with Steven Regal and So he had a long lustrous career and he produced three boys with his wife were all. Successful Wrestling Business we say recipes to bullet Bob Armstrong dip. You knew him well, what was the man like? Other She'd. RECIPES TO BULLET BOB? Armstrong. Ads are the CAN I. Can I ask a crazy question I m sorry. This is obvious in or if I don't know it was he? Is this young pistols Brad Armstrong's father. This roadlog is related to him just a little. Yes. Yes show Brad, Armstrong, and road brothers. Gratis and there were four. Four brothers I'm not going as well. Did, he wrestled juice. I'm not familiar with Steve as I am with. No sneakers in WCW as well. Steve for sure young pistols. No Yeah Right Armstrong was young pistols right. Steve Steve was also arrested. Oh. Yeah, I don't know if he was you'll bear for a certain amount of time ww, but there's definitely a a early ninety Steve Armstrong number I don't know I'm sorry if I don't quite recall it I have no disrespect. Oh No, you're right. You're right. It was. Steve. Armstrong is in the southern lawyers and the youngest. There it is. There it is. Okay. San. Armstrong was you know a? A A. Had plenty of plenty running WCW I know running. I the these today I don't know you know I'm not I'm not an expert on it all but all I know is he was under. The. Of course we know that. And the referee. Scott's the referee while quite wrestling family four sons in the business unbelie wish my family was in the wrestling business. Family can't be in the wrestling. This is all I ever won. All everyone is my family to be interesting business. For someone with the Athletic Genes Estrogen has sport. I was led by the way I see these. As she one hundred percent upgraded his jeans. Yeah. He's Sporting. He's now sport. Sport. Sport. And not only that not only that. He's he's. Marrying. Into If nothing else a great wrestling last name at the very least. GMI rump sent I'm taking. Greg, Austin. It's very rare that in America because were back. Words. For recipes either you're breaking up, you're breaking up data woman's name, but Greg is going to. Oh you're breaking, breaking up YEP. HALSTON removing hot is out on my doing right now. Yeah you gotTa Go Austin you guys out. With a name that good you. Are, actually what else happened outside? Carrying cross was injured in his defense and his excuse me in his victory of the NFC championship. So without even able to defend it, he wanted this past weekend and at the very next exte- show on Wednesday he had to relinquish the NFC championship. Lisa step way to shoulder is going to require some surgery. Have me let me tell you something I hate here in this? I am a big. Carrying crossmark. Big Big. Big. Kid. Had A future. Let me take it off. I don't like to go. It's gotta go. Though. Well listen. At the time he comes back. Yeah. The only thing I don't like hearing crosses his go. I think the goatee makes him like to human when he's supposed to be like a mythological figure. Out Today I had a shaving accident which my entire beard ended up having to come off, and for a moment, I was considering the goats aid because I. I didn't like what was happening and ultimately I just can't look at the Goatee I don I can't do it. I can't walk around with this thing randomly in the middle of my face, it can't do. New York campaign can't do it. They can't see you like this. No it was. It was horrified by the way. So it's pretty interesting. So keithly drops the title presumably just. Because he's moving to greener pastures at Monday that we'll get to that shortly. So Cross gets the title immediately gets injured before he wins the title right and now we get the first ever fatal four way for the xt championship with she jeep four former champions Y'all vie for the title fatal four way sixty minute I am which I'm so curious about how they're going to. Execute that. But I mean, like you said, four former champions, somebody's guaranteed to be a time and x t champion. Going to be interesting to see who they actually end up putting on. Super Tuesday. This. Tuesday. I, believe it is Tuesday. It's not Wednesday. Now it's a special. I don't know if it's going to be like a back to back days off, they moved into Tuesday and it's not going to be on Wednesday but. So. So hold on the question is I. I heard they were moving it to compete with aws is that true is a W. airing Tuesday I don't think it is I don't think aws onto put on. Hold on more importantly whose match? WHO's in WHO's in the fatal four way adam girl Johnny Gargano. Some CHAMPA. Dollar. That make sense. You know it's I'm really getting bored of it. I gotTa tell you I mean, what are they doing? They're just Shmaya around every week. You think there's mind. Yeah it's there in Schmo during my mode. Am I wrong? I'm watching I mean I'm not I missed last week but I'm not I'm not. I'm pretty up the speed. It's. It's a it's a Schmidt. Annexed the best right now. Without carrying crossing without Keith League without that feud, it's it's Sh- my town USA. So for those who will have Adam Call I know one lives out I'm calmer than me, but I'm already like enough is enough. He should've debuted already they all should have it's time like what are we even talking about? But You, know I. Don't know after after the Pat, McAfee thing like where do you go now? They GONNA put the title back on him. It'll be him what it it's the fatal four way for what purpose. The title. New the new annexed champion to. Champion it's not gonNA. It's not gonNA be in Baylor it's not gonna be it could be it could be Champa. Fin. No no way no way. It's going to be Champa or adults. Gargano has let himself go physically he just doesn't look right? He's not. He's not like in as I said all right now he's mid card mid card jas to hear you say Gargano has let himself go physically we would just arguing like pit bulls over Jarkko doing the exact same thing again, a looks ten thousand Jericho. Jericho. Jericho. pounds. There's no questions at. Jericho Jericho Jericho. Has Never looked better. As you I thought. I. Thought. What she was going to say I, thought what was going to say is if if dippers the things that are again, let let things go recently what do you think about it? She G during? Concert Boy There's lots enlisted I had when I when I look at myself in the mirror and I see Chris Jericho then on I have a problem. SHOULDN'T S G? G. Sport be like going in going at the gym or or go like if you're in sport mode right now shouldn't you be running a marathon? Shouldn't you be going and going on Peleton do I need to send you a young? Though. You don't have a Pelivan thing going on. There's something going on. said. I want you to said I just hope she g goes downstairs tomorrow and there's a Gargantuan box. Sport who is actually sport without a Peleton's someone explain estimate. By the way so the new logo for stj sport is estrogen on Pelivan? That is the logo this fillets. Actually. Jonah Peleton's is actually these sport confirmed. That is the depth of the very definition. All, right let's go on. There's so much to get to here But yeah so we'll. We'll. We'll have new next champion and we have Keith Lee in on raw get there in the second. My prediction, it's going to be Tomasso Champa. I feel so random. Does. Fin feels random organic feels random. because. The. But I know. But Gargano was in this weird like he'll mode where no one cares and it's not that intersect Gargano is not a he'll gargano is a fish why I say Is just because. You know it feels like he would have been the natural successor took carry across in the first place because in annexed, we've seen the prince. We haven't seen the demon yet. The demon believe is still undefeated. The demon may have been the only one who could have taken the championship off of carrying across after. A bit of a reign of terror. And so. I feel like they could just easily accelerate to that. Though Regardless finish, it's not that interesting to me. So I'm not. You know I'm not into it I. I'm with Shuji I think it ends up being thin I mean ultimately brought to Annex T. To how put over to help get him better and also put over the whole brand. So I can't pros. Here's here's. Here's the here's. Limit, let me give you the cold hard truth. The. He cannot carry the title anywhere. He did already in my opinion I'm not well I. Don't say he can't and then say he never did I say he can't carry it. Well, he can't be the guy he's just not the guy. Let me tell you something. Okay. Let's let's not. Let's not fake it here. If he were the guy or he could have been the guy he wouldn't be next day. Oh. My goodness. No. No offense. No offense. All due respect. Wow, it's. It's what? Do respect as if there was a modicum of respect there. 'CAUSE I like. I like him. I don't dislike him at all. I'm into it. I always have been. You know I feel about he always had the painting should have done the entrance every single time no matter what that's the sacrifice you make. That's what state did. That's what warrior did you know you know many many other people did but and that's how I feel about thin as in general but like his much more elaborate. But okay, I am too. But by didn't have to be could've just been his face. had. Like a black stacey if it just face, he needed the fuller like comic book thing okay. But you know what? It's faded to nothing and I don't think he's someone that can carry a title in any in any promotion and a railway. In any way, she s you what you said by accident if they did it that way, it would then be quote black-faced addressed. Loss we don't want that. Of course, no one wants to long renting ways not it could have been red and white. What else? What else? What else happened outside the? Renee Cross renee young excuse me officially said goodbye to W we alluded to it on the show. Last week. And then at some slam, she broke the news to the WWe universe that she is in fact. Done with the company. I think I did a great job working the universe last week pretending I didn't know for a fact that it was in fact her last day. Did. You did and. And I had I had a great time. I wish I had gotten a little bit more time during the kickoff show. To put her over but we was going to be two hours. They cut it to one hour. We didn't get that much time and I wish I got a little bit more but it was a lot of fun that last show with a lot of fun and. I she went I love that you had complete balls to the wall and just called that. Jerry lawler for blocking the second. Yeah the. First thing anybody on the kickoff. It was I it kicked off the kickoff. Was Rene saying when the introduced me? Peter. Rosenberg Rene Goes Hey Jerry, lawler blocked him on twitter. She did an unbelievable job though and and she'll be missed for sure and by the way the AWA capitalized on by immediately making reference doer on Wednesday thousand percent with Mj. Would they sell? It was great. M J F who I WanNa talk about later but I think it's I. Don't know I I i. would equate him to I put him on the Mount Rushmore of. People right now but he basically he that's right but he basically have. Time, this is done. Please somebody call an ambulance yes for. Reggie sport. I mean the ambulance of the pawtucket racist abuse or whatever. She s she s she. There is no one more committed to the crash right now that. That that's a different point is commitment is not to be questioned pressure. There's no one more committed to the crap. That's all I care about. The man take. Your out of your mind, you're out of your mind, you've lost your mind I'm calling I'm calling burberry and making sure they you're never allowed to purchase any of their Adams. F- either apparently up dot commits real burberry scarf but. This is the only thing. That's real. Where's she getting all the fabric I? WanNa know where he's getting on the fabric and he's making all the burberry close I wanna now. I know that the wardlow and all the other guys like they're they're they're neckties for sure I own several. But But Anyway, I digress they MJ F mention to rene immediately by saying to Moccoli. in the contract signing for their title match at all out Tell you tell your wife I'm single. And and and and DNA absolutely loved it. I mean clearly didn't love it. But. He loved it You can tell. well, we will see what happens down the line and if randomly one day appears in a w as Jon Moxley white I I would love to see her in a full-fledged story line as his point she so much bigger than wrestling with this point though don't you think. His is his life. But. You know to be. Weekly with wrestling company. Feels like it's not beneath her but she's definitely. Listen I'm not saying it's going to happen tomorrow Because I doubt that it can. But. I think it's some point regardless of what she's doing. I think at this point you know as as you can tell if you read if you heard her her Her Arctic utter the athletic. bill she she clearly are okay now. No I'm just saying I think. Rene. will be always connected to wrestling from here on out I. Really Do I don't think she will ever completely disassociated with it for as long as. MOXLEY's wrestling. But we'll see we'll see if and when that happens because know what else is moxie wrestling people are gonNA What the same thing you said you're GonNa want her back in some capacity. But Mosley. He was just named number one. On the PWI five hundred and of course when this news hit. Social Media the wrestling world. Went into what uproar. What was the upper? The Shocked by Jon Moxley A-. At, number one he's certainly. He's the AWA. Champion. He did have a good run in aws new Japan and I know that the PTR five hundred takes into account. Some of the FEHB stuff you know that being the win loss record and things like that. But. I mean me personally Outta Gone Adam Kobe at number one. Knock Gosh. Easily. Airing based on. Birth alone. Boy. Here we go. So why don't we? Why don't we have as she reduced the top ten and then we'll discuss. So the top ten, we're GONNA stop we're going to have to go past the top ten to like have a normal conversation about this you know. I mean we could throw out you don't really need. You never more than the top ten. countdown. Started five hundred. Five hundred. On the right. Number five hundred is a smile at. One four wish my my made it bit here. then. Your. Ask someone to. Big Big match. Up. Call. Head Hudson. Top Aj Styles Kofi Kingston. Thousand ten at nine, Seth Rollins at eight. Cody Rhodes at seven at Okada six naito at five drew McIntyre at four Chris Jericho at three Adam Cole at number two and number one of course, Jon Moxley. Moxley definitely top three I would not have put him number one Jericho three is ludicrous beyond words Oh, my God. In. Cody at seven is too low. Kodiak. Cody's definitely top five. Maybe I was flip cody? Jericho. And Flip Moxley in cold. And then have a top ten could be happy with. Peter Peter Peter Lincoln younger. I think that s she g sport is in neutral. Are you are you hitting? Are you hitting the side of the lane when you when you drift and go? On the bumpers on the side of the of the road. Of the Hiwa. Didn't maybe he didn't push the sport but. I. Even Have Work Button. He's he's. Is there a button to be pushing that car? Or are you to sport STD's word all the time. All it's all the time all the time There's no good argument for Moxley at one as much as I loved agreed. Agreed as much as I love. John Knox leaders no good argument for him at one. He wasn't. He wasn't ever the face of. Of Awa he carries the main title. But he always seemed to be behind Chris Jericho. And Cody Rhodes. So. Dip Rudy you have who would you have one? I'd have Chris Jericho at number one own God. The level of again. But by the by the way by the way I don't know a single wrestler personally that wrestles for W I have absolutely zero skin in the game I do watch it every week as I enjoyed the show, but there is no question there is absolutely no questions. That he he is the most important person in the not the WBZ nervous of course. But in the wrestling universe, there is nobody more talked about more relevant, more interesting, more entertaining, more free to be creative and. Chris Jericho. and. End, of story. I don't disagree with anything that dip just said. However, in this is this is going to be the crux of the argument between you two. In you didn't mention in the ring and he's not, he's not be best in ring wrestler improved that by the way. But by the way, it does re entered a new era where it doesn't matter anymore do. Since. I'm out there. I'm not there by myself. I'm not there by their way to you doesn't it matters to. Deep down inside to the three of us and many many people GPA Universe, many people in in wrestling remedy, wrestling many marks around the world. It matters I care what happens in the ring I do you searching just go out to argue that you don't because you want to? Say Anything to Cottam prop Chris Joel including argue against yourself. And then people call the contortionist but go ahead. Let me ask you a question why players go to see. When was the last time you saw match on your head exploded on television on a basis. Is. It even exist in Latin. America when was last time you saw that from Jericho because I'll tell you what I'm making a you've never seen. The last year. In the last year, which is what we're talking about. Adam Cole would go on takeovers and put on these amazing matches. He just had an amazing match with Pat McAfee that it had no right to be as good as it was in November. You watched Adam Cole go out on Friday. And then Monday. And then again on Saturday and at a takeover, and then again at survivor series have four bangers in Iraq with wargames, his title defence against. Pete Dan. And the match against South Rollins and day O'Brien beat Daniel Bryan by the way in the past year carried the next championship and. Quiet as it's kept, he did a lot of his wins and a lot of his success came without undisputed era. He didn't have to hide behind them. He performed through it on his shoulders on his own, and you're telling me that there's was the face of an x. t was the face of annex t when it became the official third brand when they went and dominated over raw and smackdown and you telling me that mocks just because he's holding the title. Is Anywhere close and then Jeremy as. was was anywhere close to I can I Can I get this is not GonNa be as fun as we want it to be because I agree with everything you said thank you I. Think I think Adam Cole was number two. I love. Adam. Cole. I am a huge fan okay. In every way. Shape and form I have no issue. Let them call I think should be w champion I if he premiered tomorrow if he premiered tomorrow with his cronies and they were the biggest thing in wrestling, that would make you how many times Rosenberg, how many times have I said that that that that undisputed Aaron meets the needs the debut and wwe and need the big thing you've been saying for a year. They literally as of this moment. They've never looked better. They all look great. They're mall at the top of their game. They're all prime age. They just are the best. Okay. I love him to death. If, they debuted tomorrow in wwe. If, they were the leaders of retribution. And all of a sudden, they were the guys that were on top and they were challenging the Randy's in whoever else? The Druze, whatever the case may be. They would be on top of the world. And my whole opinion of wrestling at the moment to state of the business which. Okay. So I am taking nothing away from Adam Cole I am a gigantic fan. I still think your take on Jericho is preposterous who cares what he does in the ring every single time that music kids it's like, Oh, here we go. Here's entertainments. I. Cannot. I'M NOT GONNA I'm not going fast forward through this segment Chris Jerk in the Senate. Has Something to say but what does he do though when the Bell Rings? Who cares what he doesn't? CARE. What did? What your argument is ridiculous. Ninety percent of those wrestlers who were who were on top in the nineties and the eighties or whatever. These guys had some crazy work scenario I love King Kong Bundy what he can do kicks punches and these people traveled on an Avalanche. Bret. Hart's was amazing in the ring. Agreed on my thanks very good at the the last half of his career. Ric flair for the style that he worked in Jericho time with great to Chris Jericho. At that time Ramos, Stereo Adam Cole we love Adam Cole because we would sit front row at those and watch him razzle dazzle in the ring. So you can't tell me that you're not at work. Great Guy Now just because you wanNA defend Jericho while I'm not I'm not. I'm not saying that at all I like I like a great work rate I enjoy bodily. Did something this week on w. that was so simple that I've never seen before and I was like Oh my God. I love wrestling I love watching people wrestle do crazy things the marine nothing like nothing attracting more. But at the end of the day. Is First entertainment value. When Chris Jericho, that music kits and people are singing the words of the song? That's not even a wrestling song. It's a real song. People are seeing that words that song he comes out an East Spitz's. Further storyline with his words. It's exciting. It's interesting. It's it's something that people want see. He'd be the biggest star. What is the beep going on? I don't know when to move. Your be. Yeah, it's the it's the beep of the century. Expanding this. this Listen you guys are never going to convince the other one about the importance of work rate versus the importance of entertainment, but you both agree. You both Have Adam Cole at number one essentially where you have number two. So you guys were good and you both have Moxley top ten you both have yet not not top five you know media I'm not a Moxley. Okay BOC. Some. What are what are you? What are? What actually going to argue with me about Box Lena? Not I mean I could slide them in that five I would I would have that no issue with the even as high as two but Adam Cole, not being one. was what here caught my eye with it? Here's the bigger question you guys. Who are the I mean please read them off again but who are the top five in wwe who you say have made the most impact on the business In you know some of the new Japan guys I. I must admit I don't watch pan I have I know there's incredible. Work means on a new Japan I take nothing away from it but you know some of the guys that were top what I know to Bucci of course I. You know I I know I know some of the names, but I haven't seen much of their work but like I I'd be w e like I I i. just what separates I don't even know Ray Wyatt is like number what is very wide six number? Wealth Oh Three. Okay ready for this number three. Yeah Three railway could be too. Okay to I mean I would. Sell. High. But I mean, right. What you what you gotta they gotTa have matches though the problem with. There is not a real there's not a real body of work match wise would have not entertainment value and I know that's what I was GonNa say in terms of what you established as the dip pristine criteria, I could. Shooting up to that number two spot. Okay Okay. In my opinion, we're talking about, what's what's what are the dates here 'cause I am Kofi is of course, doesn't count anymore urgently I totally rely I saw phone says Judy I. Okay. So copy would still may be in the conversation but not really I don't know why Kobe's in there I mean no one. Let's go more than me I. Love. Okay. You Ge- fan of Kobe Kingston. He doesn't deserve to be in the top job twenty twenty. Two after twenty nineteen let in two, thousand, eighteen, nineteen there. Of course. But they diminished role a thousand percent. I? Don't even know what he's doing right now. Here's no roy not or he's all. Right. So so number one is Chris Jericho number two is Wyatt numbers three is maybe I'm again I'm taking the new Japan guys and Y meeting disrespect. I. Think maybe number three is. I south rollins. You know I I you know obviously this that. That should be very hot seth. SETS SETS GIMMICK regardless. By the way, let let let's all. Let's all. Let's all give credit to the seth rollins feud right now. It's interesting. It's Not that they've done anything incredible with it except Dominic A. Show that that the dominic stuff is good. I'm not saying dominance good I'm not saying I'm not interested in the actual gritty of the storyline but the fact that it exists and they're like eight committed to it means something admit and. I. AM. They had a very good match at summer. Interesting. Guys live legitimately collect denials so let's not I loved his era jacket I think that Jack I I went to several times with my mask quantifying that jacket I can't find it. I don't know if czars made a disconnect. It's a very nice job I like the deck. Bring people together. I'M DOING I think I think sep should be very high. I'll tell you what based on the last four months I would have randy Orton very high. Of course absolutely whatnot blue whereas radio meatless. He is not in the top twenty five. That's Postures. That's. You would think that him in edge might have gotten a top twenty five just for their. Just. For the greatest matchup. Right wouldn't ended up being like a a really good match. They settled themselves with some really high expectations but. Brunch Drummond I'm fine. It should be higher I mean one hundred percent why I keep Lee is is it number eleven keith keithly keithly may or may not be tough. Yeah, look. Okay. Why in the hell. Is Kenny Omega, Thirteen Kenny Omega is Joe. Bear. Ajay's. I hate to say this I hate to say but I know it's kind of impossible for them to to Fathom Kenny Omega though with his goodness he is is not a top fifteen guy but the year he had on eighty. W, which was basically entire year it was not a top fifteen years. No everyone's talking about everyone's talking hangman page. Okay. Has Your mega bigger your mega especially since last week which I loved how that progress last week with young bucks within journey on. Young, bucks. For. The record that has been that is the best thing I actually spoke to wally this week random wrestling talk this week, and that is the best thing. A W. does their patients with storylines each show old school feeling be fact that they're willing to take a few weeks and not do much to the story line. They don't force it on TV every week it allows it allows the bucks it'll. It allows the elite storyline and the break up of the elite the eventual breakup they have they have teased out for months and months and months, and when we eventually get whatever happens between the bucks and hangmen page, it's GonNa feel so impactful. Agreed agreed I totally agree I will say though okay and I it's just what I wanted to mention this today was jumping around a lot but. You know a view is somewhat lacking in storyline in the last two months three months I mean I. I need to go a little deeper. Right, now I I really enjoyed last with I. Enjoy the week before and I enjoyed two two weeks. So weeks ago and this week I really am enjoying it I mean the wrestling is incredible. As she G. but it made me go off and she for someone who's obsessed with wrestling how are we going are watching aws everyone? You know what's going on. You know the wrestling quality it's fine. It's you. Say It's fine. It's it's the best Gresley on television in Rave. Why site I will say this is GonNa come as a bit of a surprise controversy I think that the wrestling is good on aws. overstated. I. Do. I don't know. I signed reason it's impactful for me. Thank you, Peter. I it's just it's very good. But stuff that you pop for is spot festive. It's not it's not great. For example, you will have no interest in the Sasha Bench Aska match from Summer Slam, which was a really good match that told the story but you'll pop the lower over a random a W. match where there's just a bunch of spots where people standing around waiting for people that Mooney, which you know what you know what? Bugs match. What you're not wrong. You're not wrong but maybe it's just meet. Maybe I'm feeling this way because it's just the presentation of it. That's fair. It's like presentations rate there's sang not yet. Maybe. That's what it is for me. There are a few sorry real quick that there are a couple of things that I that are really working to to their advantage number one I've said this from the beginning and we have to get talking thunderdome in a little bit because I do think it's important improvement but the the the amphitheater is incredible. It is. Yeah it is huge that they're working out of the empathy. It's an amazing venue So there's that that's number one. Number two and I this is this could be somewhat controversial. I believe Jim Ross has really settled into his position at the job. Now, I don't think it seems like he's working so hard and because they don't produce him nearly as much as Tom billups and Michael Cole and company all have to be produced. It allows there to be a certain level of looseness on commentary that helps the presentation. they they tell stories there's a little bit more fun. It doesn't feel like they're hawking things all the time. It just feels like they're calling shows. By the way it's not a massive corporation and so as a result and get that and I'm not I'm not defending WWe at that point but but but you're absolutely not interrupt you. But you're absolutely right. You are I agree can full with what you're saying I just don't think like for example, I believe Corey graves as the most talented person probably who sits at a microphone at least from. I mean Cole is an unbelievable talent, a different kind of way like I said I've watched him call matches per hours before and what he does is some of the most underappreciated ridiculous pressure build high intensity work anyone could do in the business. It's insane I don't know how does it but from a sheer entertainment standpoint, the most entertaining personal biker corey graves and particularly since they've moved to smackdown graves. Does not have the kind of freedom that you have when when when Jr is kind of messing around with excalibur Antonio now or Tasr or Chris Jericho whoever they have, they're able to sort of talk through matches in the way wwe used to back in the day or the superstars were there talking and building character and just kind of kick it. So I think that is part of the presentation that. Really helps a w and then it's their patients in storylines I think that they're not. You're not forced to push every storylines forward every single episode and I think the result of that is things like retribution were now getting retribution completely it's so huge and most people think and we have an email in the in the mail bag. We'll get to about this that no one knows where it's going. Yeah. The only thing they can do see 'em punk gave you know if the punk the only thing that would be ma jor is if see 'em punk were revealed as the leader of retribution that feels that would be little. Deals impossible women would explode me literally it's a phone call away I don't know anything calories on talking ignorantly Galore but I will tell you in from completely ignorant perspective on the scenario. It is a it is a phone call away. And it would be ma sure. You want you want him. You want someone to skyrocket that the top of the pwi twenty, twenty, one season pumping the leader retribution his. Batmobile take. Ten days. At and beyond it would be gigantic it would it would. I would change everything it would change everything. The ratings would be different skyrocket everything everything would be I agree and I'll tell you besides that can happen beside that I don't know what you do. I I don't know what I don't know what the way out is of I don't know what the way out of retribution at this point it I'll tell you right now it needs to be resolved in the next two weeks. Because if it's not, it's it's it's like what is going on now it's just a guy like a mockery of rioting i. don't even know what it is. Anymore I wouldn't say. More needs to be revealed the motivator. Definitely we need a hint. We need a hint we need hint. That'll take me to the MAILBAG. where. Mark says dear swim repeat an SUV sport. First Time longtime a been here since the onyx era, which is very the very beginning but the complete repository of all things are tribulation has forced me to write in. This has to be the worst angled WWF come up with in a long time non Goldberg related. This is another example of problems plaguing the storytelling more and more recently, they come up with an idea that seems cool and just throw it on TV without fleshing it out or any planning on where it will go. It happened with the mysterious hacker mania and happy with Rowen's mystery. They just run the same bit over and over every week because they have no idea how to stick a landing. The problem now is that those were all minor storylines whereas retribution sites have been headlining these shows for weeks. Now, Michael Cole, breathlessly screening we still don't know what they want on repeat does not help I was actually really excited to see ray and dominic teen for the first time. So to have these your brownies causing q the third you finish, they did last night was a real bummer. anyways keep up the good work fellows mark. B S. Montas Ford adding a one eighty dollars frog splashes my geor-. Yeah. Deserves number one on the shad gaspard black power aching great email from our. Great email, I agree with the Mondays for a gimmick. Months Montas for to such a big. Star, Cod. He is. So marriage I lie. You know I I think I think he's trying a little too hard but you know putting that aside I think Montana's Ford. It's so helmeted is there anybody that gets ehrlich off the top rope mill? I have never I don't know if it's the camera angle and they know that. So they're like doing a certain way but is there a soul? Have you seen a guy get this air before it's it's profound. Now Egypt's maybe harm no, no way. This guy gets the most I've ever seen the one eighty put sim over all those guys that's been folks passion throughout the yeah I agree I agree I n beheading. I'm a big fan of month that's sport I'm a big fan of Bianca Bel Air. I'm a big fan of them. Those, two are the future thousand percent. Yeah. Yeah. They have they could be. would. Be. there. If I had to say who's it? It's the undisputed era and it's montage sorta beyond Kabila. I would I would. I. Would Invest Heavily in. I would be buying stock in Montas Ford if if I could I will I will predict that Montas Florida's headlining wrestlemainia and the next decade. Think he will be Oh my God. I think. He is such an incredible wrestler. I'm a huge. Fan. Huge. Now, now, as we work our way through. A summer slam retribution retribution. Sorry. When we're talking about retribution by that's right but we. We basically covered the the problems that exists with retribution And as she did we hit, we hit all the topics we added outside the ring. Right S we did. I at forty five minutes ago but. We, we we need to mention this does relate to something outside of the ring because there was some controversy around. The WW Thunderdome Wick because a couple of Jubran did dumb things with their swears you know the Ku Klux Klan videos and Ben want things like that Oh boy well by and large. By and large I think. That it will take time to make it better and to make it work completely. and. I have not talked about zip yet at all. As she GM I have but. I believe every be boards improved the product dramatically I think it feels dramatically different dip. How do you feel? I think it's I. I agree one hundred percent. I haven't seen it in person yet, which I hope to you know I. But in the next you know few months but I don't you know it's not it's still lacking a unfortunately for me. But it does it does make a difference. It is really cool. I haven't. Part of it yet which are maybe People make them but I haven't been. I. Haven't been a part of it yet. So I don't really know what it's like. To be a part of it but But when you when you when you flip on the show when you flipped on the big difference because it looks, it looks like the show again Elissa robbery it looks like raw. But also, a big part of that is just being a monstrous building and and so let me add this parts 'cause I realize I talked about earlier and I want to make sure I mentioned. I I feel. that. Moving to the building beyond Thunderdome Moving to the Amway, center is a huge deal. I was at the last show in a real building and the first show back in real building and the feeling backstage. The other day I was not in the piece de during the months in between during quarantine but during. The time backstage last week it felt like a regular show against and I know that at some point ignited with where it did not feel regular, it felt regular. You know in the hours leading up to the show everyone's in the arena like normal. It feels like the same as it did prior, there's no crowded instead of the crowd showing up the boards go so like there is a feeling for the talent to. That they're being watched that there's a crowd there watching them it does serve that purpose and I think it's a really really big difference I. It'll. It's GonNa, take time and more work to get it right into continue to work on piping in the sound the way they are and getting the audience I noticed tonight they started smackdown with Jeff Hardy Promo, and when Jeff came out and started an and went for a cheap pop the crowd all new to clap in their square at the right talk and stuff. That's important. They have to be able to coach them to where like hey, here, the things we're going to say when these things are said, you kind of have to coach the audience more in the crowd they would do it naturally. But at home they're going to do it natural. Lead. Right now it's too loud. The piped-in applause and crowd sounds they're too loud in their overtaking what people are saying. There's no. I mean it's undeniable. There though. People would shed over people all the time. But. Come on, it's never this in San. It's very loud. It's very. But you also. have very sensitive ears as well. Songs. In the Industry today. And is too because, I. We spoke about it earlier like. Those people do on the foolishness in their squares are gonNA. Probably going to ruin it for everybody because the Thunderdome is made. WWe invested a lot of money into this clearly. The invested investing time to try and get it done. In. So I mean. A If you don't get yourself band you'll probably probably GonNa get invitation only or something like that. That's going to cost most of the W universe spot. Let's not let's not ruin it for everybody I don't think. People with our or the in spot I mean, it's still something that needs to be said. Yeah. And I think it's I think it's a neat idea like the idea of doing it. You know obviously wouldn't WanNa do it every week where you're bound to your TV for three hours but I think the idea of doing every once in a while it would be fun and looking for yourself onscreen and listen to the fact that matter is credit where credit is due it was a rough six months but when Vince McMahon and wwe came with their plan for a digital. A resolution and this wrenching it looks better and different than anything else happening. Right? It's it's it's it delivered. It looks rate I'm into it I have nothing bad. Except it's pretty good. Except for the volume needs to be. Different. Also, I also would add to that the I gotta say the Kobe testing process to go into work. Is Pretty good I felt very safe. It's very safe and comfortable. The testing processes super organized managed to get your results before you show up to work, and then the now get to work is high level of comfort people still wearing masks but there's a different level of comfort when you're in the building because with all people have been tested and let's be honest. You know there there were a lot of people who really crush wwe. Early on for continuing to fight through when covid was was at its worst. Really bad. And I I hesitate to do that for several reasons but most legitimately because. There's. It was it was a risk that it was a calculated risk that they took and ultimately while the PC police of which I'm sometimes a member, but it depends on the issue. In this case though the PC police who were all over like the people that's probably the wrong way to put it in the be, let's wait to crush Vince McMahon on the wwe. Was Ready I should. Be, big crushed them the second they they worked and while it's unfortunate that people that I know in care about got covid. On you'd have to say that honestly speaking it has turned out pretty well, no one has been in a really dangerous and precarious situation knock on wood. And they've been doing it six months straight. They put a system in place. Now they have a digital crowd so it hasn't been perfect. There have been rough spots but I think right now we're entering a period where as we head towards the winter and it is would no one knows what the is going to be like in terms of this pandemic they're in a good spot to get to the best place they've been so and what needs to be said about how WWe handled covid While there were those masks, firings, they they typically do. that. Time of year, the people who could had like a good spot in the company. And decided that they didn't want to go into the PC. Semi Zane didn't participate in the PC era at all. He comes back. He still has kept him championship in his hand. Seems. To be slotted right back into the mid card where he was my Guy Thunderdome Aka Chiefly Aka, Grill Goldberg he came back and he's back in the universal championship picture right where he was. So it seems like you know a Kevin. Owen stoop yeah they weren't punished for. For, you know taking their health and safety and it's and it's worth note that that is worth note because let's be real anytime something like this happens everyone just assumes that they're gonNA be mistreated and they're gonNA be punished for the beliefs that they have but Sammy's in appeared on smackdown tonight. In full, Sammy. Form. So spoiler alert. Sorry about that. Sorry Buddy. Now I'll be paying not not saying another guy. So so anyway, it's worth mentioned and we got a mentioned. cheaply. Now, a lot of people were describing be Roman return as a heel turn it was not no that was not. By the way why not just do it? The company hasn't the crumbled to the ground. Without him there at all. So why not? Adamantly, he'll how is this not in the conversation? It's stupid. I don't I. Don't. It's the same thing is seen I riley but it's not. That's the whole thing. It's not the same thing as CNN it's completely different. I think it's actually exactly the same. You're like. No. No. No on their end. But I'm saying in reality I'm not saying that in case Davidson same thing. But in in in practicality in on planet earth, it's not the same thing. So we'll the co- The companies in a different place. So it it's a calculated risk at this point would make so much sense to take. But I felt that way about Sina before too and I hope that on Sunday we see. A turn from Roman or at least if nothing else are real character change. The only character changes the gorgeous teeth. Beautiful too I'm. With. The grow. Go I'M GONNA stick to the Thunderdome role because I don't want to catch a superman. Punch. Won't. Be Astray. What I'm happy. He's back. He's never looked better I would I other? I have no Roman reigns issues and I'm wishing. On. On the fact that they would need to commit to a he'll turn but I'm just saying like Him returning the way he did was not a he'll turn. It's not now moment when Ousmane Dope and and beat onto like Braun abused a woman and braised been he'll torment broad argue. Pushed, him back in the feud. So when you shop and beat onto, you know despicable evil despise feels like that it doesn't also make you heal no matter how vicious you are about it. I totally agree with you it was it was cool but it was not a Hilton. So when people said that I was confused on wonder takeaways, other takeaways, people wishing that's people wishing. Here, I'm not going to be able to read all of the emails because we've already been rambling endlessly without emails, but there was one I definitely want to hit. Here we go. Carlos rates, us. And he says, Hey, major one of the world's doubtless man Longtime Rico is going to be quick and simple. The Balian Sasha storyline is the best thing going on right now my opinion and after watching their untold doc network. They should hold off their match until Wrestlemainia with Sasha winning next year's rumble. If the only eventing enough for this match they truly deserve it. Let me know what you think. Stay safe and thank you for entertainment rough times. Thank you as always already huffing and puffing. I couldn't agree with the guy more I think I think. If the way you get there is that Sasha banks wins the women's rumble and calls out barely matchup mania that would be a major blow off to a others long store dip before I know you're top the get there have to add the wrinkle that you throw in there earlier when we had this conversation two of. Them holding the TAG team titles. So just before rumble season, and then suddenly they lose that badly still has her championship and now Sasha's left like you know what the F. Sacrifice or watch for this team I have nothing and you still have everything. And now I don't think that's going to happen because I, think they've already changed out. This is going to happen sooner than later but I do think that would be the way to do it and. I'm not going to tell you the exact result here but another spoiler Ajay's big E. Kentucky is to look Midge in his in his role as Bush. Lower okay. Okay. I'm ready for the swerve ready for the whereas her. I agree. If I If Bailey if Sasha wins the women's Royal Rumble. In Calls Out Bailey I'm down with that one thousand percent. Okay. Diane germ. Story story line up on that's right I like where it's going I have no problem with all of a sudden. It's earning into something interesting. But I just want there to be meaningful promos I want them to be less scripted. I want there to be a little bit of Improv I want them to feel a little bit like natural out like. At an with an. At natural disagreement I don't need them to be doing nonsense I need them to be a little bit more. Less scripted this isn't it this assistant that sounds exactly like this is not the. I got a guy something that just happened. Unfortunately, we can't. We can't not talk about it. I. Have to know what was just said a dip. Can I give spoiler? So. I I don't know exactly what was said. So it could range between not a big deal or the most module thing history. Okay and I gotta go I gotTa go in a minute. Those, our history was overstated but as she did you have your. TV On. Mute. Did you see what just happened I'm looking right now there's a little bit of a delay by the by the way if it's not your, then please do not tell me I mean we're we're doing a podcast about wrestling. We are. Yes. You have to prioritize this. You have to your guy I or you can hang up right now but it's we need to analyze. It s you turn up the volume and let us here the last few seconds of smackdown. Can. You let us here last I heard it all know. Oh my God. What the Hell Wa. Estrogen say okay that was such an indicator of how big of a fan why he is 'cause it's great news and he said Oh no real life. But now it is good news I said Oh. It was real life because I'm so hooked and meet. Our No should indicate to dip a little bit about. What might have happened there how that out from one because be hold on hold on Let me. Let me predict US sugar. No thank you. Now I'll tell you I'll tell you how he couldn't predict a just talking about. Don't don't give it away. No, we were just talking about the no no no I. Think you're GonNa give it away. Here rewind and let us you're the last. One I was I. was on my phone. So it was a little bit of delay but. She don't have it on your TV, and if you if we say that is going to give it away to give it away. Give away hold on hold on. Let me let me hold on. Let me see if I can pull it up on twitter and it is going to give it away if something. is going. But. Did you hear the words did did you hear the words Stj Yeah did? And is it Does it. But it doesn't confirm that what appears was happenings happening does it? Yes. It does what is going what the hell is going on. Okay here that's gift. Hold on. I'm trying to find video of it. So that the final scene I'm trying to tell you. The final scene of smackdown is Adam Pearce spends the whole episode trying to get signatures from people for payback. and. For the contract signing finals match he, he goes to the fun than he finds. Braun. Believe at the top of the top of the hour nine o'clock hour. And then okay I. Think we have I think we have hold on with Roman reigns. Up. Next audio is not good enough. Hold on. Hold on, I'm getting older I'm getting here we go I got I got I. got it. Break everyone leave that this. Will Win back when we should be should never lost in the first. Can say without a Roman. Families handing over. All Hint. Is With Roman reigns Mahyar. Idol Ma your. I love is that what's happening is that? And I'm not GonNa lie I said Oh no because I immediately thought of when. Bobby Heenan shows up next to Andrei. Let's. Talk about him simply attacking them as not being a hill turn. I am fully on board with people classifying Roman stand Paul Heyman as him in there with him this. Light God. Here we go. We're having a conversation that's a Hilton by the way going on there's something going on. This. Is. This is here we go. Here we go. Now the wrestling this is wrestling. This is a leave I cannot believe we were doing the show fantasizing about Roman reigns turning heel, and how it will never happen. We never record the show during the show and. Roman turns he'll with Paul Heyman. I, went up to our. Here, we got this is it this is Dan tastic. Fantastic. I I. Love. Your. Their go something. There's something going on believe me I cannot believe this. That is so gigantic. And I love it I mean. Roman runs. Thank you. got. Roman reigns an Paul Heyman has the potential. To be the most hated hair ever in ww could. This is. Already headed. They'll already new chapter. If Roman, reigns and Paul Heyman are the heel manager and champion. It is a new chapter in wrestling. That's profound it yeah. Yes. New Chapter. New. Era New. Doesn't. Isn't it? A Bruce who does smackdown? Doesn't. Know about that right now. Thank you. Thank you. Thank. You thank God for for having Michael. Mu Early and forcing us to record this to get you know what? Jay. You know what? That's the have you ever heard the song unanswered prayers by Garth Brooks. I this is a dream episode. Now, this is this is an image episode. Roman learn he'll. Did you did you watch it yet dick no I'm no I'M GONNA have to watch it tomorrow. In the clips I'm not in a position to watch it. I'm in I'm in Florida and I will. Win. By the way. I'm. Not. My it. So he's standing next door. Oh Baby. You just saw John Jones, is GonNa Fight for the heavyweight championship or whatever the number one contender. Now what they better not do the one here riskier in which I will have a connection. Is. If. Roman teases it but then instantly the first week turns on Hayne them. No, they gotTA ride this out. This needs to be at least a year, Gaffe. They gotta go I. Give With Mace. I am telling you right now I'll show up to the building on Sunday and just walk around whoever this is this can't this please let this theory. Yeah. Why? Wow. So so basically. So basically, if if anyone for anyone. Who hasn't seen it yet? It's it's Adam Adam Pearce standing up talking Roman is sitting on the couch. And Roman starts talking about I don't know what the matches it's a triple threat match triple. Universal Championship. On Sunday on Sunday. Wow, all of a sudden payback becomes mum Strauss. I meet Montrose Montrose pay back bigger than suburbs, lamps and excited all GonNa be there. Present. So Roman Romans on the couch and go and says is the whole thing and then Roman says, and that's not a prediction. It's a spoiler the camera pans over. Roman. Looks over and Paul Heyman. Leans in and says believe that. So Roman and Paul switch their catchphrases Jor. Jor. Jar. Absolutely. Amazing. Oh. My Gosh I'm high. Wrestling again, see, this is what we want. This is always wait. We want this is I'll take. You. Know what? I'M GONNA YOU G we met up to go do an instagram live right now we'll promote the podcast I'm already in on whatever they're going to do. I know. For this. All right. This is I'm in. Heater by the way I have Kevin. Hussy here who says alot and Nate John I'm a big fan and I know he's a great guy and he's a big fan of the nozzle wants to know how you feel about I. Tell Him I. Think it's Great and tell him I expect him to listen to the locker album tonight. Confirmed He. Will. Will will let you go now go live your life in Palm Springs. Listen. and. Good night. Good luck. Runs you man. I guess that's in. The, we do anything else were disclosed this thing out. Can Be on a high enough in that? Yeah we'll bring but we did a black power rankings earlier. Well, we'll. We'll do it again. Next Week Admiral do more mailbag. All that stuff on the preview show. But as she said earlier, this was obviously meant to happen because that was awesome. So. payback kickoff show Sunday at six o'clock. Oh. So. Take it easy? This is the. The. For the little bit. Heart is the greatest especial wrestler in the history of artful.

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Tito Santana

Something to Wrestle with Bruce Prichard

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Tito Santana

"Hey everybody thanks for checking out something to wrestle today. We're GONNA be talking about Tito Santana. What are the unsung heroes of the WB APP? When I grew up watching wrassling next week. We're going to be talking about in your house. The very first one with Bruce Richard. Right now we'll have free shows dot com. We've got a ton of bonus content from something to wrestle. All of our old bonus shows most recently the famous wrestlemainia eight episodes that we never did. It's available now and free shows dot com. You can even see more than a dozen think. Maybe even two dozen live shows that Bruce Richard did with a variety of guests telling stories that we couldn't normally tail on the main theme of the podcast. Here and you can see the last ever live. Show something to wrestle. The happened at star cast also at ad free shows dot com in fact all of the state shows from stark point. Two three and four are also posted at ad free shows dot com. 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Todd land walk wrestling with something to wrestle with Bruce Prichard. Hey It's Conrad Thompson. And you're listening to something to wrestle with Bruce Prichard mercy. How are you sir? Top of the morning I- Grassy us no DAS. Day Bio Day. What did you celebrate? Cinco de Maya Dave. Silva's birthday they syllables. Birthday was on say. Stay Myo but what did you celebrate? More the fifth of the sixth Ally celebrated Cinco de Cuatro. So what does that mean you in? The wife had a couple of Margaritas and some fajitas. No we We had knows and tacos from Il Veneto in Riverside Connecticut delivered in Toledo means and Spanish. Lethal the you know what it means. You don't do all you do this. Listen IT IT. Means a little painless. I'm not wearing what now a couple of little told me about a Jesus. That's the end of the show gimmick but now back in the day you remember Taco Bell had the Chili Cheese Burrito but before they called it that they called Toledo and then I guess somebody's smart him up that those actually slang for little paints. I was just little penis now one little today civil told me. Yeah they've so say little either way though. We're talking about Tito Santana today. He is our subject and covered him because This weekend would've have been silver related to Tito. I mean I don't think so. I think I think. Tito was just his favorite wrestler grown up. But I don't know that we've talked about that a lot here but he does have wrestling family members. But I know all over the place but I don't think Tito's on the list eight away though born may tenth nineteen fifty-three mission Texas How did you first mate Tito Santana the cells like somebody that you would have been familiar with very early in your wrestling Phantom? I knew about Tito none. I mean Laura. Tito's just a few years older than I am like by ten But I did not get to meet Tito until nineteen eighty one. I'd seen different things with Tito. He'd been working for Verne I don't know if he had had his truck think he'd had his first run with this by that time. But you know more said Solis man did you call him or Said Call. Dita JUST ASSUME EVERYBODY CALLS HIM. Tito and I don't know why is that Ought ABOUT THAT. Like how weird that dynamic is were some guys we by their real name and others you called by their quote. Unquote stage name. Yeah because it's how you feel for example. I think that the Fox entity be Aussie entirely of those guys. I think called Tieto Mercedes and eventually they kind of went over to Tito but they went to college with him in West Texas state. Been Paret motherfucker south like they. They knew him first. Abolishes Mercedes' so Tito was was the hard-won get used to but I always knew Tito by God. Well I'll tell you what a whole generation of US wrestling fans especially folks listening to this show right now. We're up with Tito Santana. I mean I can't remember there being a time when he wasn't a part of a WWF programming Maybe one of the most underrated talents of all time and way back in the day the www f there was more of a I don't know I would say it's SORTA UFC style presentation or we had an Italian fellow in an Irish philosopher and Cuban fellow and a Mexican fellow and I mean you had representation for the different ethnicities and backgrounds and that was sort of what fans clamored to on on the W. WWF programming right especially in the northeast where every ethnicity had to have someone to cheer for. They needed heard guy in everywhere you went for. For the most part I know in Texas it was always important to have a strong Hispanic representation so we had jose look thorough meal. Mosca Gorman Goliath so yeah that was that was important. That was important to do in. You wanted someone to represent each ethnic region. Well a lot of people. Sort of talk about Ricky steamboat as being the best buffet. Face of all time. But Tito's got to be on the list somewhere Dutney. I think the t you know I don't think Tito ever had A. He'll run anywhere for any reason. And he is the consummate good good guy inside the ring outside the ring up. Think-i find anybody would ever say. They had a crossword with him. What's interesting is what I was doing. My research here found. The Tito wasn't exactly a wrestling fan growing up and we've done so many of these sort profile bog orphee shows and the guy almost always grows up fan. I mean that's the reason he sort of put yourself through the rigors of this but it winds up being a legend in the business and he doesn't even necessarily grow up as a fan. As you mentioned a moment ago he did go to West Texas State University man. There was something in the water there. I mean he's tight end on the football team. The quarterback of team was Tully Blanchard also on the team Ted. Db Aussie and to your point. The funks I mean the list just goes on. And on and on mckinney pinpoint. What exactly was about West Texas State University or is it just you know the Fox Dad was in the business and it seemed like a fun thing and guys were getting a little bit of notoriety and making some money and maybe getting some attention from some girls and everybody just is attracted to it. Well I think that for those that lived in Texas West Texas state was pretty dominant school. Obviously it was you know. Ut or a Enam smu or anything like that but west. Texas state was a good solid college and maybe. I'm just spitballing here. For some of the aspiring wrestlers. Who thought maybe I'll go there and catch the eye of the Fox. He become a wrestler. Someday I I don't really know but I know that for people that lived in the area for example diaz-balart in the Iron Mike Diaz his dad. That's where he was brought up so going. West Texas eight or gone conclusion In Tito in mission Texas it was place was attainable and Blanchard the San Antone Texas by God West Texas state in the Fox blanchard and the funks close. So it just made sense now. As we've said many times before Dick Murdoch did not go to West Texas state. The played in the alumni game every year go figure tallies dad. The quarterback of that team Joe Blanchard ran southwest championship wrestling in Texas. He would often come to the games. Of course to see tally play. And towards the end of Tito's junior year they started talking to him about becoming a professional wrestler. And Tito would say I wasn't interested. He still has hopes of playing in the. Nfl and Tito did wind up getting signed by the Kansas City chiefs but he's released in training camp a plays a season for the BBC. Lions of the Canadian Football League And he appeared in thirteen regular season games. And when it doesn't seem like football is the future decides. Hey let's let's take up Joe and telly on their offer and become a professional wrestler. That you've ever talked to. Tito about his Football hopes the I have through the years. Because it's always come up with dead to be Aussie in in Tito in. I in fact that Tito being a fellow Texan. Of course you talked about those kind of things and Tito really did love football and it was a major accomplishment for Tito to play football west Texas state's family large family man Had the pleasure of meeting his brother is mother is yeah. I think every cousin everybody in Salt Lake family but yeah it was it was a Lotta Fun those refund years and you add on top of it the Terry funk and Dory funk connection to it that makes even cooler man before it starts wrestling. He actually referees some matches and San Antonio and that's something that I think maybe some of our listeners would be shocked to hear that it's not like you go through wrestling camp immediately. Become a professional wrestler in your Big Star. Getting a big push back in those days. You know it's a smaller more territorial system you're just looking for gas to Sorta Lind hand so you've often talked about selling posters and some guys would during answering. Jr used to be a referee. And I mean Gaza Ward different hats whether it was driving the trucks or selling gimmicks or putting up the ring and Tito finds themselves as a referee Talk to me about how. Maybe that changed over the years but why it was really a good thing to learn how to wear multiple hats in the business. Breaking into the business in general was tough so you had to find a way in any way in and a lot of times during your training if you have someone that is connected to the office in this connected promotion that you learn you learn in the ring as a referee and it's just another part of your training because contrary to popular belief in a singles match. They're actually three people in that ring. The two guys work in the match in the referee. And if you realize that in you use your referee and work with them. The referee can make or break a good bad match so to be able to learn. I the first step to come and be a referee in work with your opponent in learn how to be utilized and there were timers Just some great guys helped me early on refereeing like Don Giardina. Don Jr. Dean put every single person in the ring in the match in their place. I mean he plays she. He told you exactly what to do. He will tell you down to how many steps to take so there guys like that. I know buck road was a big help to me. Refereed in helping me understand the psychology. Bugsy McGraw and I think of those guys that took the effort to critique my refereeing and tell me where it'd be so yeah learning how to be. A referee will make you a better wrestler in the end. Okay guys I want to give you a peek behind the curtain right fast. I have discovered something that has really really helped me. Not on the PODCAST. But in my real life work as well. I'm talking about grammar. And whether you're communicating with your team online or working on a project Graham early as the day Jill riding till you can always rely on to get your messages across clearly and effectively. Here's what's Great. Grandma early works across multiple class forums including G MAIL. Google Docs and slack. So it's not just something that works in word this thing's been following me everywhere. 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Grammar League dot com forward slash wrestle. Joe Sets Tito up to get trained in Florida with hero Matsuda. I gotTa tell you before we move on. Any further is hero. Matsuda may be one of the unsung heroes a professional wrestling. I mean look at how many dudes that guy crank down. I mean how. Many people broke in their hero. Matsuda from HOLCO and the Tino Santana on everybody in between yeah and you had to be tough shit to make it through here rose training course because hero came from a different background in Japan where you learned the real way and then you learn how to work so you learned how to apply all the holds you learn why you plied the holes Ed. How sell the damn thing so he had a very basic training regiment but a good one he taught the fundamentals taught him. Well double tough son of a bitch. In hero had the connection back to Japan as well and before hero there was duquet Mocha and guys like that. That had started in Florida and had I don't know if they started it in Florida but they wound up with their home base being in Florida and being able to be that that conduit the Eddie Graham to wrestling Japan and a good fundamental set of skills. Well it's the name that I wish people talked about a little more Let's keep it going about a month into his training. Terry far who at the time is the NWEA world champion asked? Hito how he's liking it and he said he loved the business but he's not making any money and he's they can go on back to play football and Canada and Terry says before you make any decisions. Let me talk to Edie. Graham which Terry does and after that what do you know? Tito starts getting some bookings guess to Atlanta where Jim Barnett gives them a guarantee and Tito started to learn more about the business from there and mob ball if they starts wrestling in nineteen seventy seven and when Tito started. He looks up to Jack. Brisco and tries to pattern his style after his work. Jack Brisco is sort of a forgotten name among younger fans. I think most of our listeners are probably more familiar with Jerry Briscoe Than Jack Brisco and you sort of set the stage and try to explain who. Jack Brisco was Jack. Brisco was the quintessential wrestler good-looking Nc AA champion probably one of the greatest pure wrestlers ever to set foot in a wrestling ring in the adaptation to pro made it look easy could work with any in everybody in. Have a great match Jack. Brisco was a pro's pro and from promoters standpoint he was a good looking guy that withdraw the women and he was a tough son of a bitch that the men in everyone else could believe in. Because you couldn't see through Shit and Jack was just Was INCREDIBLE OR WORKERS. I've ever seen in my life. I grew up on Jack Brisco and Dory funk junior so it was those matches and obviously there on July Twentieth Nineteen seventy-three Jacqueline the end of the World Heavyweight Championship in the Sam Houston Coliseum. The third fall against hardly raised with the Luth this press and was awarded which you folks call the big globe belt with Red Velvet. Strap on it and I just absolutely love that bell. Not Nearly as much as I love the belt that Harley retired that night that story funk junior gene Comiskey and Pat O'connor and Liu says war I think what they're what you meant to say was domed Globe said You said big globe so best differ big fucking Dome Glove Big Gold. Dome glow the had a baby and it was known as big lobe so Tito goes to Atlanta. Can't believe this has happened. He's given the name of Richard Blood. Which is Ricky steamboats real name? And Tito said he was given that name because Ricky steamboat was previously in Atlanta. But all the Anderson who was booking let him go so then he goes to Charlotte becomes the hottest thing that have at the time and when Tito came in only Asterik. He's permission if he could use his real name. Richard Blood for Tito and Ricky. Let him do it. So what TITO SHOWS UP IN ATLANTA? He's Richard Blood Dude. How does this yeah? It's it's kind of interesting when you have that kind of name. We talked about that in a Ricky Dragon. Simbone episode that theory. Add this cool name. Dick Blood and changes to ricky steamboat. Because he look like Sam steamboat in any grams is but obviously didn't work that long for Mr Sola either when Tito Gifts TO ATLANTA. They tell him they're going to try to work with him on top but he only works about four matches when he gets there some against Paul orndorff and they also College football rivals and only tells him. Because you're young good looking Guy. They want you to come to the ring with some energy jump over the top rope and getting the ring so he does I match there as it gets. Ted OATES IN AUGUSTA Georgia anti jumps over the ropes but trips and falls into the ring. I guess everybody has to start somewhere as he with some pretty tough learning when he's here Georgia championship wrestling. And he's taken some bumps he's not supposed to and he's teaming with Brian Armstrong and trying to get better and even though Brad is younger than Tito. Brad's grown up in the business. Because his father Bob Armstrong so teaming with Brad actually helped Tito learn a ton. Brand Armstrong is one of those universally beloved Gaza and wrestling. Could you make a comparison to a a modern brand Armstrong? Is Someone today that reminds you of our Brad Armstrong from back. In the day I think that as far as workwise goes Randy Orton. The end even personality except Randy was able to transform his personality and get it on camera. Brad Armstrong was one of the funniest human beings. I've ever had the pleasure being around great personality. Everybody loved Brad Brad with crack up the entire locker room telling stories and jokes very dry and quick witted. But you couldn't get that out of Brad in a promo because as soon as the red light came on. Brandon's say well we'll tell you something I'm going to be coming their mobile Alabama. We'll give it one hundred ten percent and I'm going to be going to be flipping them. We're going to be flying and and I won't tell you something Jerry Stubbs when I put that figure four leg lock on you. I'M NOT GONNA stop until I win or outbreak that will just straightforward monotone and The the Brad Armstrong outside of that environment was the life of the Party so he could do anything in the ring. Same thing and I would compare Brad Armstrong to Jack Brisco in. He was just so smooth his shit look great and again another just tremendous human being that we lost way way too soon really a tremendous performer. Tito's also roommates with Dino Bravo in Atlanta in fact Dino Tales. Tito the he should start saying Ariba after his interviews. Tito impression I e those tacos are Jesus. Paul Jones is also a big help to Tito's development and they traveled together and Paul teaches him a lot about wrestling psychology. And from there Tito went to Amarillo. Which at the time was been booked by Dick Murdoch and Blackjack Mulligan? Tito's only there a few months while he's there Andre. The giant takes one of Tito's tapes and gives it to. Vince McMahon Senior and Andre and. Tito become friends and they've both been in Georgia and Oli appointed. Tito to make sure that Andre made the shots so Tito sorta becomes Andres Handler and drives him around and let him sleep in his bed so they become big friends. And that really pays off here because Vince invites them to New York. And Tito has a dark match. Vince tells to come up with a catchy name. And there was a guy who lived in Tito's hometown of mission taxes. His last name was Santana which Tito thought might be cool so chooses. Santana for a last name and Tito for a first name. That was drank lot walking. That'd be me and you talk to me a little bit about Andre. The giant being the connection for Tito in the WWF. We've heard before Through many different sources that Rick. Flair sorta became the half asked recruiter for Jim Crockett Promotions. Because as he was the touring in w world champion he would have an eye for talent and say man. Those guys are hot and come back and say Jimmy. You gotTa take a look at whoever was rocking your express Arn Anderson. Whatever it in order to do the same think Andre did the same thing because he traveled all over the world. Independently is an attraction. Brought in Ave saw everybody on a nightly basis would go sometimes from Houston to Chicago to La back to New York to pan to Paris. That was kinda scheduled at Audrey kept so Andre saw everybody in everything that was out there. Something with the old world heavyweight champion or not so much the Awa because they only worked within their territory but yeah the traveling attractions dusty rose. That's how dusty spotted talent. 'cause dusty would head out dusty would go work a couple of weeks in Texas. He'd go to Kansas City. He'd go to New York and Minneapolis and see what was out there and then make recommendations back home. Hey this guy be great. This guy would be good to bring in some point so that was the beauty of being able to travel and go to different areas. Because you got to see different talent. Let's let's talk about some of the success. He has October Twenty Second Nineteen seventy-nine Tito Ivan Plus Ski Win The WWF World Tag team titles from the valiant brothers. They held them until April Twelfth nineteen eighty when they lose them to the wild. Samoans advanced would later asked he where he wanted to go. Wrestled Tito chose the AWA. Because he'd heard good things and there's really nothing but top guys there at the time. So Vinson's him there. He would work pretty regularly in the AWA from eighty to eighty two. He also had a couple of tours of Japan for giant Baba for about six weeks. And while T. in the Awa he winds up teaming with a fellow named Rick Martel against the High Flyers Greg Ganja and Jim Ryan Zell and baby-faced matches of course Tito and rick would later become the WWF world tag team champions as strikeforce in. Nineteen eighty-seven The Awa is almost like I don't know why people don't talk about that more I mean. Do you think it's I mean over the years. It feels like maybe because they were the two remaining territories the longest but people talk about the WWF. People talk about Jim. Crockett promotions and the AWA is almost like a forgotten territory but once upon a time they were a super territory and well before there was an. Ac W where people call them the big three the Awa was really the other member of the quote unquote big three arguably bigger. Certainly bigger than Crockett at different times right absolutely and I think as far as size in the amount of area if you just went area it would be n. w. a. w. a. w. w. w. f. but when you look at the as far as how many towns and what they drew so on so forth it would be nwea www f because the east coast the condensed amount of population there and then. Awa just because AWA was so spread out but all three were I believe equally successful and they in their own areas. They all did very very well I'll tell you a story about you. Know you case dates there talked about. Tito being in the AWA until eighty two or whatever part of the plan. I don't know I think I talked about this and the Houston wrestling episode but part of the plan for. Tedo was nineteen eighty-one October of Nineteen eighty-one Talbot celebrated fifty years in Wrestling Paul. Bosch of course being the promoter in Houston Texas broke me in had a big three day tournament and it who's who the wrestling business. All come in yet brackets that win on Friday. You Compete on Saturday win Saturday. You Compete on Sunday in the finals. Nick Bockel was the AWA world heavyweight champion in one of Verne's just stalwart talents. Nick had purchased a third of a third ownership in the Houston wrestling office. So Javagal the Gal. This was Cata third of third was was the amount that he had nick wanted to as legend has it. Nick was going to retire very soon. He was looking to wrap up his days of traveling and living in Minnesota and nick wanted to retire in the south. The Nick Was made the offer to purchase some of the Houston Wrestling Office. And eventually take over for. Paul Bosch is the promoter in Houston. He was also going to immediately start probably in eighty two eighty three to balk. Houston and take some of that of Paul Bosch Long Story Short. Looking for a young talent. Some different talent to come in and work on top and nick recommended Tito Santana very highly and again as Legend would have and depending upon who you would like to believe that. Tito was made the offer to come in and the team was going to come in and work is GonNa Work San Antonio Booking office which was southwest championship wrestling. Buddy was also going to work Houston same time Was looking for someone to drop the Awa Championship to he considered Tito Candidate for that. And Nick wanted to drop the title. Tito in the Tito would become our champion and we would have the majority of the access to Tito Santana because he would work a lot in the southwest area and he would still obviously go in. Work Verne's territory as well but after we do this tournament the tournament was designed to get Tito Santana over brand new know. Tito's debut Tito. Kate was able to come in on Saturday and Sunday. So it's Tito's debut and in the middle of the Damn Thing Tito Beats Winkle in the middle of the tournament and so now Tito's gotTa win over the Awa world champion. Tito goes on and he wins. The three tournament gets the big trophy and the fifty thousand dollars. And so on. So forth Nice Sidebar Tita. One in they handed in the trophy at the end in check. His family hit the rain and started borrowing trying to borrow money from him. You met him in new track in. You'll meow many just got fifty thousand dollars lengthy so their home with you. What that's actually true story. They were hitting for money in the rain. Fifty grand bargains is mother was in the ring it was it was awesome and it was so fucking cool and so then right after we did that. And we bring Tito in for the matches with Bach Link for the title and there's one match for Tito got his blade out way too soon. In Cut Balk winkle on stomach cut him on his legs on his arms and people are looking going. Westbank Nichols leg bleeding. Like a stuck pig. Shit look at a stomach is like somebody is crazy absolutely crazy but then Tito got an offer to go back to New York and it was kind of okay. Do I stay in the Awa? Do I take this opportunity or do I go back to New York and Tito chose to go back to New York and so we had done all this work to get? Tito over it to make him the guy he was going to be our our top baby face in he moved on. Well cuts up manage finally good weather. It's time to get outside and enjoy a little nature and I have got a great way to do that. Let's make this the most fun summer. Ever let's get a Iran power. I gotTA admit. I haven't heard a lot about e bikes until I learned about. Read Power Bikes but once. I started to investigate a little bit. 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You'RE GONNA love your new ran power bind in right after the AWA here He's going to stop by mid South for Bill Watts Walis Their Ernie ladd tells them that Vince senior wants to come back to the WWF. But Ernie says bill also wants you to stay. Saito has to make the decision. `tatoes wife was from New Jersey. He feels that everybody F. as the top promotion in the company. That's an easy decision for him to go back in nineteen eighty three. I my it's back in the. Wwf is may tenth which was also his birthday and not long after Tina overturns he starts a feud with the intercontinental champion Morocco and Santana winds up winning that championship on February Eleventh. Nineteen eighty-four to become the first Mexican American wrestler to win the Intercontinental Continental title Winnow what the intercontinental title would mean years. Later How important was Was this championship here in eighty four. I think that for the W. w. w. f. that it was a huge championship. It was their secondary championship. You had the the main title that Bruno on back Leonard Graham and all those guys had than the intercontinental title that was the Secondary Championship. So when you were able to split the cruise and have two different shows. The Intercontinental Championship would headline one in the world championship. Headlined the other. It's remarkable that This belt is going to go onto main what it is. Tito successfully defended the title against Morocco and a series of rematches. He also defended against Dr D David chills Mr Fuji Mass superstar. Jj Dylan and others. This was like good top of any a couple of weeks ago. Dr D was the the major topic of Whatever wrestling twitter is referred to these days He was a a feature on dark side of the ring and of course it was called the slap heard around the world. You're not having spent a lot of time talking about that. Talks about Dr d and then we'll talk about the the slap heard round the world. I think a lot of people drew the comparison at least based on promos style and things like that that he sort of had a A harden edge maybe like a stone cold dead but a generation before a man. Some of those promos that he was doing with Vince. Were just way over the top Most famously you know the the gun incident and then it hit me ellen and his wife and kids and just a phenomenal character. What can you tell us about David? Schultz I E. Conrad you were with me in it was Huntsville. Wasn't it yeah? That was the first time I'd ever met indoor been around. David Schultz and David was count alike. Oleander Sohn I'd never worked with David. Had never been around where David was and I remember sitting there. They said Dave Schultz was going to be there. You and I were at a convention wrestling matches as matches. That had meet-and-greet things around it. We were doing a show and when David came in and said I've got to go over and introduce oneself to David Schultz somebody. I'd never met in the business and David. He couldn't have been nicer. And we talk for a little bit and It was very nice cool but I never really knew other than the hearsay and rumor and Innuendo mole. Shit I never been David Schultz other than meeting him. That one one single time. Let's talk about the slap her round the world obviously that becomes major news not just outside of the wrestling business but most importantly inside the wrestling business. When did you first hear about the slap? Is this something you heard about before you saw already played the old hello phone telegram Tele Wrestler routine by that point. Yeah I think that the the main focus for the majority of us was the expose end of it with any Mansfield exposing the business now in those days. That was still very taboo. You didn't do that while people can assume in agile fake bullshit. No one in the industry would ever verify that so. That was the controversy from a wrestling in going son of a bitch exposed. Business Right All DR D did was from the wrestler standpoint was do what should have been done. Here's somebody laughing in your face your profession in your business that you weren't very hard and I I still to this day. I take exception to the words. Fake what we do is not fake is predetermined as the story. Yes is choreographed in certain ways. Yes however there's nothing fake about what they do and hitting and the BOPs that they take and the amount of punishment that they go through so fake is is offensive to me. And I don't like the word. I don't like it in the context of shoes especially felt that the way that John Stott. Sel asks the question that he was looking to get back in those days. You can do that. Well maybe you could but back. In those days it was probably more acceptable than it would be today in probably costs a lot more money than it costs. In those days to get away with it David Schultz specifically you know with the whole slap heard round the world it became one of the hotter topics of you know the word fake and and shields even said. I didn't think anything of it. You know the Slab. Because that's exactly what my mom would have done and not thought anything of IT AND OF COURSE DOCILE. Thanks a couple of leagues ear and wound up suing the company and The thing that really stuck out to me in that whole documentary was when Stahl went to one of Titan's doctors that they had selected for him to be evaluated to sort of assess his damages and how injured it really was and the doctor sort of before they even begin the examination. Something like now I think all in your head and Stahl is furious and then stomps out of there and but then later acknowledges that when he got two hundred and eighty grand from Vince magically. His pain went away and I think irradiated wrestling fans to no end. Did you ever have a conversation with Vince about the whole Docile Mass? Back in the day. No no actually. I don't think I ever have other than it was unfortunate that it turned into that and yeah suck that it happened but to me John Sausages. Lucky that that's all that happened to him. Did you see the episode are no? You don't have any fucking free time so I can't imagine how have you caught any of the twenty twenty episode way back when now the dark side of the ring from a couple of weeks ago? A bits and pieces. Yeah I get the idea. You're sitting down for a fucking our watching. Tv is laughable. Let's keep going though. Let's talk about not long after. Tito comes in he He wins that intercontinental as we said he's working with a bunch of different opponents including Jj Dylan and I think a lot of our younger listeners. Just know of JJ after the manager of the four horsemen may be. They don't know that he was the Florida heavyweight champion once wrestled for the world title and I mean. Jj was quite the in ring performer. Before he was the manager of the four horsemen and sort of dusty is assistant booker in Crockett. And then whatever he did with you guys in the on Air Commissioner for wwe. Ming he had more life. Maybe outside of the ring that in the ring but a very capable performer in his day. Now Yeah that's all. Jj wanted to do was to be professional wrestler. So that's what J J trained to do and I think would have been happier if he'd have a career more inside the ring than outside but same time both pretty much enjoyable for him but yes. Jj Dylan was hell of a towel. And September of eighty four in London Ontario Canada Tito loses the intercontinental titled. Greg the Hammer. Valentine Greg Valentine Somebody. I grew up with either feuding with Ron Garvin or being part of a rhythm and blues he was not positioned as a top guy and him as an intercontinental. Champion really sticks out to me and some of our younger fans I'm sure but that green intercontinental title is synonymous with Greg and Tito is not was grain by then I thought it was there was one was read. One was green one knit. Yeah the first one. That's the one I have but the green one is the Tito and Greg Bell. At least to me yeah. I always thought it was the same belt. Which differ backing talk? A little bit about Greg. The Hammer Valentine in this first Ryan because you know it's you know listen. I read likes his work and thinks he's a very capable performer. He's an icon. God Damn it. But it's all downhill from here for him. Is it not like? He's positioned in a really hot spot on the cards to be the continental champion but then it feels like over time. Maybe events falls out of favor with him. What can you tell so by Greg? I don't think so. I think Greg was a stall org. I think Greg was one of those talent that was always going to be there and he was a proving ground. If you could hold your own with Gregg then that told you that you might be a main of enter in the future. Greg was good measuring stick so always good performer. In later years. He had one speeding by God. He was going to stick to it. But Greg was just a tremendous performance. Is Somebody that you could put guys in the ring and you knew if they can hang or not go let the Good Times. Roll Body Arrest. One Tito's in the first match in wrestlemania history when he defeats the executioner. Who's actually playboy? Buddy rose under a mask and later in the show or continental championship match between Valentine J. Y De Tito. Santana would rush to the ring to inform referee. Nick Kroll that Valentine used his feet on the ropes to help pin J. Wadi and despite having already call for the Bell. The referee would restart the match and J. Y D- would end up winning by. Count out less fast forward. July six nine seventy five in Baltimore Tito recaptures the continental title from Greg. The hammer and a steel cage match but after the match Valentine would destroy the title by repeatedly bashing and against the steel cage forcing the company to get a new championship. Gino would hold onto the title so February nineteen eighty six when he loses it to Randy Savage Boston Garden after savage knocked them out with a Foreign Object. He had hidden in his tights. This is a match that we fans have seen a lot over the years. It's on a ton of different compilations and and Dvd's and things like that and this is the more conic belt that we're familiar with the same style. That Mr Perfect and Macho Man Brad. Hart Texas Tornado Shawn Michaels. All those guys held but this first version has a different type of leather and the deputy logo at the top is red and recessed either way belt merge stuff but one of one fucking show. This was to have macho man and Tito Santana for the intercontinental title in Boston Garden. That is like the epitome of WWF. Wrestling aren't yeah it is. I can still remember the finish because you saw was Tito. Putting all macho man up for an atomic drop and Randy Megyn incites just ban. Mailing Tito down covered one one-two-three three simple yet effective. Let's let's keep going and let's talk about what's next for Tito. So three Titas team with the British bulldogs to take on the Hart Foundation and former referee. Danny Davis and the Hart Foundation and Davis Win. The mass when Davis uses Jimmy. Hart's Megaphone the knock out and pin Davey boy and later in the show. Tito comes to the ring in tax the manager slick after Butch Reed had defeated Coco. Beware Santana in response to a previous attacks by slick hairs the clothing from slick and you join the company not too terribly long after this has there ever been hotter promotion in history than WBF on the heels of wrestlemania. Three good Lord. I tell you know it was. It was insane to come in during that time. Because everywhere you went it was like a Taurine rock show The amount of fans came out forward in the level of excitement throughout the entire show was crazy. The first time that we were in worcester and Hulk Hogan came out Nelson Sweater. The producer says Joe Watson. Wait until you hear this noise. You'll never hear anything like this and remember Joel. Saying Yeah you never heard rock and roll express at the Tulsa fairgrounds. Either while he better believe that the rock 'n roll express the Tulsa fairgrounds got an ungodly pop and think that there are a lot of guys locally and regionally the got some incredible reactions dot taking a single thing away from rock and roll or anybody else did it. 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Tito's put into the team and TV said the original Gimmick for the team was to be border patrol because Titas from south of the border and rick from north of the border and at the time some Mexicans passed away from heat exhaustion when trying to cross the border when they were inside of a box train. So Tito tells Vince that he feels. The name would be too controversial. Because of that. So the change it to strikeforce I gotTa Tell You man. Border Patrol WanNA fucking name. That was you remember the name of the music. They came out to one of the girls in cars girls in cars. The girls in cars girls cars girls in cars Jimmy Hart wrote that saying that and by God is Tiki a torch beach thing that he sold yes girls in cars. Great Song Talk to me about you. Know what what were the plans for? Tito so to speak. I mean it feels like he's been positioned as an intercontinental guy and done very well there but now we're gonNA maybe transition to a more flamboyant style with a macho man randy savage so feels like. We're trying to find something for Tito. We slide him into a six-man at Wrestlemania. Three there's no bad spot on the WRESTLEMANIA three card. Let me be clear. But I'm just saying it's a departure from his singles work and now we're looking for a tag partner did Vince. Perhaps at the time feel like maybe. Tito didn't have the interview chops or he didn't have the charisma to be the right fit in his his New Vision for sports entertainment. And maybe he needed a partner to sorta finish out the the presentation. Or what's your thinking on that? Thank anything was four Martel because Martel is never been accused of being a great promo in. I think that the combination of the two both incredible talents in the rang and just to help rick relate a little bit more by putting him with Tito. So Dido's English was obviously a whole hell of a lot better than marseils. They were good team in. That was where you know. Vince always wanted to have the concept tag teams to work with whoever it may be demolition. The Dream Team the bulldogs. All those rouge does a lot of great teams in. During that time I felt that this was a way to showcase mortels his work in hopefully rick which he did eventually with the model and got out of that It was getaway to showcase both balance my opinion. This opportunity is born out of Tom. Zink leaving the promotion. We know the zinc is going to show up. Wcw The Zemun will become the new thing and they'll have a little bit of a singles rowing team with Brian. Perelman and I don't know I I've always been curious. What leads to Zemun leaving the he? I don't really remember. Somebody asked me this the other day. The exact same question and Bessemer recollection was the. Tom Won't basically want to be a big fish in a smaller pond and felt that he wasn't going to be the guy. Interacting did like travelling as much so think the opportunity to go to Crockett work. They're not have the same travel schedule that the WWE Time was more suitable for him. Let's let's talk about the next big moment for Tito. It's October twenty. Seventh nineteen eighty seven. Strikeforce would defeat the Hart Foundation to win the World Tag team. Titles I gotTa Tell You when you look back and this era the late eighties early nineties. I think you could argue that this tag division with. Wwf has may be the most conic in history. I mean an absolutely stacked. Division perhaps not better than the Har- foundation just a tremendous per presentation here and get a win over them is a big deal but to win the tag titles It's another feather in the Cap Potanin. Now yes and they had is. You said there were so many teams work with killer bees demolitions coming in start to get over Good Lord the Bolsheviks talking great teams here the Rouge there were great teams and I think having those guys as tag team champions in was carrying the banner it worked. I think they made division that much stronger. The the next big thing that we're GonNa see Happen is survivor series. Eighty seven strikeforce is involved stack tag team elimination match. We've talked about this a lot. They're teaming with the British bulldogs. The killer bees the fabulous shows and the young stallions. The Take on the Hart Foundation highlanders the Bolsheviks Demolition they know Bravo and Greg. Valentine in the Matt's Tito would pinball Sukhov and he's later pinned by Jim Knight Heart and I guess that makes sense considering that strikeforce actually beat the Hart Foundation for the tag titles. Dude is this one of the most interesting mashes to look at just as far as the visual presentation. I mean others do fucking brutal man it was so God damn long to other than the fact that when we got everyone around the ring rang the bells like Holy Shit. Nobody can see the Maj because it was such a mass of humanity's standing on the Apron of all the other tactics is ten guys on each side and it was Fucking brutal midway through we finally got the GM DOWN. Kinda shoot up over little bit him. But from a spectator point of view. If you were in the arena live sitting ringside or in any in the lower sections. Your views sucked. You don't think that somebody's asked the whole time. Thought it was. It was interesting to have all those teams out. There she showed you attend pretty good fucking teams. The that vision was displayed in. Its best light. Yeah I mean. Let's not exactly my favorite team. But the killer or are conic fabulous. Josie Max the Hart Foundation though the British bulldogs demolition and strikeforce. Some really really phenomenal tag teams and the islanders were. No slouch is just really impressive. the the amount of tag team town that you guys have here over the next several months strikeforce is going to have a bunch of different title defences mostly against the heart foundation and the islanders unless fast forward to Wrestlemania four March twenty seventh nineteen eighty eight demolition would defeat strike forced to win the tag titles. We've done a full show on demolition. One of my absolute favorite tag teams of all time. Now available the Archives of course during the Maths Martel would hurt his neck. And it's going to have to be out of action for several months. But his wife is ill and he's taken time off to take care of her and during the rest of Nineteen eighty-eight Tito mostly used in Lower mashes on how shows with no real angles or like that and Martel would return at the eighty nine royal rumble. And they're going to reform strikeforce. Let's talk about that from just a the mentality. I know it's a different business now. But here eight when you have a popular tag team like this and one of the guys go down but the other guys still healthy. That guy still wants to work. He still wants to eat. He still wants to earn some money. But you really don't WanNa get too far committed with a singles Ron if you're still hopeful that his partner's coming back right exactly and you. WanNa be able to if there's a story but you need to know what his partner's coming back. That's kind of key in that whole thing as well and I don't think that anyone really knew specifically how long rick was going to be out and he wanted to come back and express that desire to come back. You're hoping that all right we can get through this and keep Tito the back burner. Keep enrolling so the win. Rick comes back. Just slide him into that slot and you're good to go. Let's talk about what happens here. Wrestlemania five now let's recap wrestlemainia four strikeforce versus demolition wrestlemainia. Five strikeforce versus the Brain Busters Goddamn the TAG team division man. Of course the brain busters are totally. Blanchard AREN'T ANDERSON. One of my favorite tag teams of all time and in the match This is fun to note. Tito was facing his old college quarterback Tully blanchard during this mass heater would accidentally hit rick with the flying forearm and for the rest of the match. Rick wouldn't tag in and ends up leaving and going to the dressing room. Of course Tito winds up receiving the spike piledriver. He's pin man. This wrestlemainia was my first big WRESTLEMAINIA. That I didn't watch on because my first memory of wrestling is watching a double take. Vhs WRESTLEMANIA four so wrestlemania. Five is one that I'm all into and the idea dirty bastard Rick Martel would just not Taghi and leave. Tito hanging man. You sold me Hook Line and sinker. This is a great story line. Though is it not yeah was because was just so simple and this is back in the day when you could do shit like that in easy to understand and I hit my part right. Fuck you man. I'll tell you anymore. You WanNa go do by yourself the deal by yourself so nice. I miss the simplicity of some of the things. We used to be a well. I think a lot of people do. I mean it was told the whole story and right afterwards rick would cut a Promo on. Tito in the dressing room. He's going to turn heel and eventually become rick. The Model Martel and after the split think it's been written at. Tito ASKED TO BE A. He'll too but vince declines that. Why was I mean? Obviously from a short term storytelling piece. You definitely need the partner to be. He'll and in to say baby face but long-term Vincent didn't see `tatoes a hill fair to say absolutely because it's hard to hate Tito Santana. The human being is what you saw what you got on Tedo. The Tito is very very warm natural of just real person and there's nothing put on about him. He's a good guy he would mean guy that would be the first one to come to your aid and if something was someone was doing someone wrong. Tito would be the first guy to step up and say. Hey Man don't do that in a he'll a good he'll does have to have some of those asshole Ian Tendencies that. I'm not sure the Tito has in a Tito's just to go to person maybe could have. I don't know Usually heals the best guys in the locker room. But I don't know I think the he was too nice as only talks about this split. I mean a few years after this if you had a long term tag team who had success and maybe a couple of tag rains and and then they split up. There's going to be a series of matches on television and on pay per view. This is maybe a different era though because these guys only wrestling house shows there's never a blow off there's never A pay per view attraction of Rick Martel versus Tito. Santana is it just reserved for the House. Show business because at that time. You're just more interested in selling. Tickets will exactly the live event businesses. Where we made our money and that match was able to go around and make it's money in the live events possess what you did when it got around to pay per view. The philosophy in those days was now. Do something different. Let's go to October. Fourteenth Nineteen Ninety nine the King of the Ring Tournament tapping their held on house shows than these days and Tito would defeat. Rick in the finals to become the nineteen eighty nine king of the ring so that seems like that would be a pretty cool little attraction but it's never mentioned on TV. Was this simply something that you know. How show promoters and local promoters were trying to put together or why is this never promoted on television because was a live event was promoted locally and we had you had your issues and you had your programs on television and those would go to live events but every once in a while if you have a special attraction like King of the Ring Tournament and it was probably in providence or somewhere that was in close proximity to another major market? Then you give it something different with a royal rumble. Match or a King of the ringers. Just something different categories theme. Let's keep going. Let's talk about the next big paper view. At survivor series nineteen eighty-nine Tito Santana is gonNA team with dusty. Rhodes the Red Rooster and Brutus beefcake. What a team that is to take on big boss Man Rick Martel Bad News Brown and Honky. Tonk man man when you just look at these teams if you take a snapshot of WWF wrestling in nineteen eighty nine. This is fucking it as it not at the gimmicks across his. Lana well gimmicks big boss man Red Rooster Haughey Talk Man. Brutus beefcake goodness gracious just being who they are man big ball fan biggest focus among Emma. Poca valley going all baby what Cockatiel do man Baba if you wheel in the biggest of a mall big bald man along with those nuclear Dalil spackle the side of Tito Santana the Taco shop in the match. Tito doesn't eliminate anyone. He winds up being eliminated by Rick. Martel the next big show was the nineteen ninety royal rumble. Tito comes in at number. Twenty three doesn't eliminate anyone. He's ultimately eliminated by Rick. Martel and the Ultimate Warrior Password Wrestlemainia. Six teens working with the barbarian. Mar burien picks up the wind. Here man feels like Tito stars fading. In order prime time spot and Wrestlemainia four sort of the same store at Wrestlemainia five now with a big storyline but wrestlemainia six over barbarian. As Vince maybe be losing interest and the Tito Santana presentation. I think it's just kind of that. Wave Time Tito was one of those talents who can make any and everybody looked great. And that's the curse being a great worker sometimes Antiga Liz. Air Team was someone you can always count on to have great matches and be able to go out there and steal the show man. Things have really been hard this year. So far I mean retired log and social media. See people talking about how hard things are in twenty twenty and when I think about hard I think about the American dream dusty Rhodes and his hard times promo. If you're looking to put hard times on some cooter you need to go to Baluchi Dot Com. Let's make this the best year ever. Let's put some miles. Let's dig trenches a slice of Pie. Remember the days when you're always ready to go when you can increase your performance and get that extra confidence in bed. Listen UP HIS POLLUTED DOT COM. 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Virtue as the better passer choice and we thank them for sponsoring the podcast April. Four Nineteen Ninety Glen Falls New York. There's a tournament being started here. Tito's going to beat Akeem. Round one by count out and he set to face the winner of the Brutus beefcake match both candidates so tito gets a bottle of the finals and on April twenty four th in San Antonio Mr Perfect would defeat Tito and the finals of the tournament to win the intercontinental title. Of course this is all happening because we know that The ultimate warrior has beaten Hogan for the world title so we need a new IC- champ and it comes down to perfect. Tito he of course at this point and has a Former intercontinental champion. So He's credible opponent for Mr Perfect to be right absolutely. It was great matches. Well they had on little program or they were able to work that for a little while. Just have great matches. Which is what we're looking to do introduce perfect. Get perfect of a muscle also mentioned that after this. Tito's on a lot of house show matches against the warlord Mr Perfect. He's on the losing side of all those one thousand nine hundred survivor series. We see in team with Nikolov. Oh and the bush-whackers come Bruce Wall saying the prior year he's taming with dusty Rhodes. Brutus beefcake Red Rooster now god Damn Bushwacker and Volkov. He slowed down the car. It's why don't you just acknowledge this? Because there's no slide down the cars slides. Goddamn top guy. That's working helping all the people get over. We'll do ultimate warrior never attained Nikolov. Oh from the BUSHWACKER. Well it wasn't a top Guy Champion of you. Here's the deal though. This is worth mentioning because as much as I want to argue that. Here's what happens a year. He's the winner and the sole survivor in an elimination style. Match against Sargent slaughter. Boris Sukhov and the Orient Express and then Tito will donate Boris into NOCCO and slaughter Gets D. queued so titas last one? He's the sole survivor. He was actually. He gets to the final elimination match which is not something. They did very often. But what was the old cliche used to say about Strive to survive or something like that have five stratus survived so now you have the survivors from each match. Go to one main event and on the bad guy side. It's Rick Martel tape. Db OSCE Hercules and Paul Roma on the good Saad. It's whole Hogan the ultimate warrior and Tito Santana Santana eliminates the warlord with his flying forearm before being pinned by DMC. But either way though I think most people on the outside when they see the main event instead of it being just coke on the ultimate warrior the main event from the prior wrestlemainia against stacked said a bad guys. Tito Santana's in here and part of me wonders is that to allow a little bit cannon fodder for Ted DB. He pimm hot or is it. Because and I'm going to get way out here for reach. We heard a generation later that Vince really wanted to start targeting. The Hispanic market the Latino market so smackdown would have more Latino flair. The top guys being ray mysterious. Danny Guerrero is that the thinking. Here that maybe. Hey let's because again when you go back to the www f you wanted sorta someone for everyone and now that may seem a little cliche. But if you have a real honest conversation with Dave Silva Dave silvis favorite wrestler when he was growing up was Tito Santana and if you ask him why he was like me he was Mexican and so I get that like from a little kid standpoint. You want someone who looks like you the for luck you can grow up and do this because that God did type of thing I get it. Is that the thinking here? Or is it more about God POW. And we're going to have Hogan and were there at the end we got to. Have Somebody take a pin for. Ted is thirteen toe in there again. You wanted you're going what we were going with hoping a warrior with them to be those last survivors and doesn't work when it's halt warrior O N. Tito's does somebody had to lose right but yeah going back to the point of Dave Silva looking at his favorite wrestler being Tito Santana. I think that goes a lot when you're looking at especially in. I can only speak from Texas in particular and the Hispanic community because I my best friend on the canal was Mexican. His parents were from Monterey and they only spoke Spanish in the house and it was a different culture so I was at his house. More than it wasn't my house in you. Get to to learn and you see the family dynamics. In the way that they thought was different than the way that my family thought right but there is a there is a pride in their an US against them. Not In a bad way. But it's you unite. You support those that are like you and you support your culture. It's the same thing in a weird way like the hometown. Got Like you pull for if POPs up. You're like Oh man that got Bama we gotta pull for him. That's all exactly and so when you're sitting there and and there's There's someone that they said this like you are. I want get behind him. I WanNa see them succeed in a WanNa be able to to live vicariously through them. Well you definitely had an opportunity to do that with Tito Santana and Tito say that coming out of this. When he's in the main of here of a pay per view taming with Hogan and the Ultimate Warrior. He thinks he's getting a push coming out of that but it doesn't really happen and he would say as a even a little depressing. He takes a brief high this from the company. He's wrestling so mandy shots. But these are indy with former WWF. Names like Tony Atlas and talk to me about you know how Vince allowed this in this era for a guy or maybe even vince his idea. You know if a Gaza burn out. Maybe just we've often heard people say. Oh it just needs to go learn a new hold. Maybe the just needed a break have been there for a long time. Been there for the long run in the hall and the Grind and Tito did need a break. He just wanted to get off. The road spent some time at home with his wife and kids and were some independence. Just get away from the madness if you will and because of WHO. Tito was Vince. Let him do. It can't yes that'll help. And yes. Maybe we'll come back. We'll figure something else out for you. The perception among of guys over the years. We've heard this from many different folks as you don't you. Don't leave if you express that you're frustrated of not happy with your spot or you WanNa take a break you take time off you might quote unquote lose your spot. Why was was this okay for Tito here? Where maybe some other guys would think. Oh that's the last thing. Either or thank the. Tito had confidence in himself in his position in that he could come back and do something else that I don't think Tito was at insecure. I think for the rest that would subscribe to that position may be a little insecure. As far as I gotTA HOLD ONTO. Spot can't lose it versus giving yourself in the audience a break and then come back and they've the heart grows fonder when you return. Well he does return and when he returns it. Feels like Bruce Prichard phrase. He needed a fresh paint of coat. He's given the Gimmick of El Matador and Tito would say that this was Vance has idea and Tito admits that he hated it. And Taylor says that. Usually when someone's given a gimmick like this they'd get pushed so he assumes that's going to happen. He says Vincent Him to Mexico to learn how to bullfight which Tito did say it was a great experience and Tito said that he hears Vince would claim he spent over half a million dollars on all of that while Tito was in Mexico and not long after he gets back from Mexico. He asked Vince what merchandise they were going to do for it. Vince that call the merchandise department and he does. And He's told all they're gonNA do is make the action figure. Tino says that's it and I said yes. And then he calls his wife and says okay so they don't have any plans for El Matador. Talk to me about the El Matador Gimmick. A name to hear what this modest sounded like. When Vince went to pitch this Tito well. I was the only thing that I was there for the El Matador. Gimmick was I did the first site survey I went down to Tijuana and did the tour of the bullring and met with the bullfighter and in went over all vignettes. We actually going to shoot. I never shot him and I was gone by the time that they actually did you. Someone else to go down and do that. However as far as the pitch was this was in order for it to be genuine Tito. He needed to go through that. Vince wanted this to be genuine and fight the ball. I gotTa see you in the rain and we did you actually put in in the bull ring and Talk Tito how to fight bulls. He went through the Bull Fighters Training School. Just like someone coming in to be a wrestler. You go through training school in. Tito did all of that in I can't. I can't really speak to what happened after that. You know for what reasons are were whatever the hell happened after that. Because I wasn't there but I thought that the concept was good and it did it fresh him up a little bit as you don't know that they ever did anything with it beyond that okay. I'm with you on that. But hypothetically what minded of sounded like when? Vince went to pitch this character. Tito Toro. Taro him out. I don't know L. Ballo got damn. How a couple of bowls fucking over. Talk to me about the creative thinking though behind. Okay we gotta up Tito You know we've heard sort of your rationale and the thinking behind giving a guy like Barry Windham the Stalker Gimmick. Tito in his real life didn't do bullfighting though. You guys just wanted to more colorful presentation. Something that would look cool as an action figure or help me out. The above Tito going to learn this craft was about as heritage in being able to go back. Learn this craft and become a great bullfighter. He had done everything that he wanted to do. Now he wanted to conquer another arena. Hats El Matador. I love you for trying to sell it. What's not trying to sell this? What it is. This is also the era where we dress up ricky. The Dragon steamboat and making blow far. Right what is the dragon do? Conrad please tell me what the fuck am watch. Game of thrones. They spent two fucking episodes trying to get drag teaching the Dragon. The real fucking dragging to bring God Damn Fire When Dragon. Finally Braves Fires a fucking dragon. Ricky the Dragon steamboat. You breathe fucking fire. That's dragons do L. Matadors fight fucking balls. So what you do. I'll go back shit. I'll go back to nineteen eighty two in Houston Texas Washy Pasadena Texas running the Pasadena. A bull fighting arena whatever the fuck the Rodeo arena fascinating Rodeo arena and having Bull Ramos. Come out of shoot resentments out of shoot number seven. Apache Bull Ramos visible traumatic. Come out of a shoot God. Oh man you just common sense. This is easy. What did you think fucking complicated? Did you think of the presentation? How did he do? I mean how? How did he do in your opinion? As possible fighter I would have done differently. They had a joint. I WanNa have in fucking now would have had him. I would have seen more of him with the Bulls more of him fighting with moles. I would have actually done the big Sunday Kim bullfight and find the work in bull. A rebels are S and By the way the got work and bowls well listen. Let's talk about that for a minute because these days. You could never do this because even if you're not actually showing. Tito Stab Bulls with swords the idea that there's even an El Matador. Bullfighter gimmick pedo would be all up your ass. Did you guys do you remember having any sort of pushback from activist groups about there being a bullfighter character? No because we spoke about the the romance of it all and just the we didn't talk about killing bull so to speak when you did. You tied it back into your opponent. I guess and they never showed it. They never showed inviting bowls. I would have shown inviting. I wouldn't have shown him killing bulls not favor of that now but I would show him in the ring with an actual bull said the creative editing. They did you listen to this show and thank wish those a fuck ton more rumor and a Shitload. More innuendo then. The wrestler review is the show for you. The wrestler review is a weekly podcast with comedians. John Hastings Dylan got who make a point of wildly speculating wrestler salaries and also been fired from jobs for bringing firearms? Okay seriously you probably familiar with John and Dylan. Because they've been on the art of wrestling. They've been on post wrestling the Russell Talk Radio and now Well I guess technically they're on this fucking shout. Each week John Hastings and Dylan profile the career of variety of wrestler Yukon Eric to Jim Cornet Sensational Sherri the show. So good you recruit new episodes every Sunday. Please fucking listen for puck sakes. It's not like you don't have the time and everybody doing shit anyway. Right now. Available on Itunes spotify soundcloud stitcher check out the wrestler. Abi podcast on Facebook Horoscope to sound cloud dot com forward slash wrestler review. You can also catch them on twitter and Instagram at Wrestler Review. Tito at one point. According to Tito is considered to be the heir apparent for the world title. This is something I've wanted to talk to you about for a long time but allegedly somewhere along the line when when it looks like Hulk Hogan is out and we're trying to transition from flare to a younger generation. We land on Bret Hart for some reason. Allegedly Tito's name was brought up and mentioned as a potential candidate like should it be Brett or should it be Tito now. The people have denied this over the years. But there's been some sheet interviews floated around where people say. Oh No it was down a Tito or breath. Do you remember hearing that well? Considering the only people that were really discussing it or vents pat myself that time yet. Does name was brought up as possible because we were looking for someone. When you look at the roster someone was dependable in someone that the audience new in respected. The he say okay. Here's your new champion I think those name also discuss. Brett got the nod over coming off of a European tour and the credible response that he and received over there so but to say Tito's name was discussed. Absolutely it was. I don't mean this to sound the way it does. But as part of that reason he's included there because he does not look like a quote unquote steroid guy up just status in the company and he'd been there that long and he had been respected by the talent any was respected by the audience. Talk to me about why. Tedo didn't get the non I think over the years. I've even heard that it was pat. Patterson's perhaps suggestion. Do you ever hoop mentioned Tito and and it alternately I mean is it strictly just the European draw that you realize European. That was being. That was fresh. It just happened so that kind of just put it over the top but we were looking at in a few different guys. We we're looking at the talent roster who could who could do who could who could fill that role and there were a lot of different names on that were discussed does. Let's get to Wrestlemania eight so surely. He was being considered for a world championship on at some point. He's going to have a big spot. Here wobbled there for eight. And he in as far as I know he wasn't considered for the championship until late when after I came back and we were looking for someone to fill that spot when flair couldn't go anymore summer slam is win that conversations happening but the El Matador Gimmick is fresh and the original plan for wrestlemania eight with Shawn Michaels Marnie Jannati. Of course we know Marty is not able to compete there. Sean needs an opponent. We want to continue to keep him looking strong. So who do you call you? Call the most reliable guide in the in the in the company does Santana El matador loses to Sean at wrestlemania eight. He's used mostly in mid card matches putting over other guys and he stopped appearing on TV in North America but continues to work the summer European tour and all the International House Surf Circuit through the course of August through September. That European tour. Of course is where you guys. We made the call. Hey Brett is why we gotta go with him An interesting note. Tito along with Hall. Cogan the distinction of appearing in the first nine wrestlemanias. Those the only two guys who did it. His record is a little different than Hogan's though his two in seven he officially. He's only recognized that being the first eight wrestlemanias but his final in ring wrestling appearances. When he defeated Papa Szanto Wrestlemainia nine. It was a dark match but hey it happened. Santana keeps wrestling through the first half of ninety three Including after nine his opponents in this era razor Ramon and mom and pop chango tells you how long this guy has been with the company. I mean you go back in time and earlier. We're listing that he's wrestling. Jj Dylan David. Schultz and mass superstar. Fast forward he still here. And he's working. Papa Shonda Ramon. It's just this is like it should be two careers but it's the same one. Pretty remarkable and says a lot about his longevity does not doesn't says lot about the human means to be neighbor last that long. Still succeed as final match with the company August Thirteenth Nineteen ninety-three Wildwood New Jersey. He defeats Damian. Demento favorite character from The good old days. Jesus Christ what the Fuck was when he was Mondo clean on the independence. I always loved the look man. They had the size and the look but something was missing between between the two. Let's let's take a minute here to talk about how we thought maybe once upon a time this guy could have been a our next top guy and that happens in the fall or late summer of ninety two in just one year later has his final match for the company. Said one day tells Vince. He feels like it's time to leave. And Vince. Says I think you're right. And he said that seemed relieved that it was titas idea to leave and he didn't think Vince wanted to let him go because he'd been there so long. You think that's fair to say that. Maybe Vince kept him around a loyalty. And it's almost like I'm glad it was his idea not mine because I didn't want to be rude to a guy who had always been there for me. Yeah and I think that Vince would have because of the way that Tito treated. Vincent's father and out of respect for Tito Tito being that stalwart follows years. Thank Vince would have found something anything for Tito to do. Oh man from their. Tito's GONNA GO TO C. W which at the time was known as eastern championship wrestling. He wins that title. Hermoso rival Don Morocco But after that he never comes back. He says it wasn't for him so he forfeits the title and eventually. Shane Douglas has it bounces around tons of different independence including a very brief run with a defunct. Awf once upon a time. People had high hopes for the W. F. What did you hear about that back in the day? I don't think I ever did hear about talks to me. A little bit about the end of him leaving the company from your perspective about Titas. Been there as long as you before you were there so the entire time you've been there he's there. I mean fuck you got fired and came back. Tito's still there And then he's no longer a part of the company is this A major adjustment for folks because it does feel like you're losing a family member on some level when every time you go. He's there and now he's not and nobody really knows why are then. It was just Tom. I think that everybody knew why because it was just time and it was simply you need the need to move on sometimes need to do something. Different can always come back. And that's what it was for. Tito this time. Let's mentioned that he does pop up and the WWF again. I'm GonNa say ninety seven maybe ninety six but he's doing commentary at the Spanish broadcast table. He's calling raw and some pay per view events. I think the last time he did. Spanish commentary was Wrestlemania Fourteen. But he still friendly with the company pops up some time in ninety. Seven does on air appearances El Matador in the Oh karate fighters holiday tournament so even though he's maybe not a regular part of the company in ring anymore he still has a friendly relationship with Vance and Vince still looks out for him. Some of these commentary gigs. When he can write well yeah until Geeta was good on the commentary as well. He applied himself. And that's that's what you want. Plus he's reliable dependable and good guy that you wanted to do something for man he POPs up in. Wcw believe it or not in January of two thousand and it's a one time appearance for WCW. He defeats Jeff Jira in a dungeon match on Nitro and this sort of jumps off the page at me because I have to admit I kind of forgot this happen. Most people did too. I'm sure because not a lot of people were watching. Wcw In two thousand. It was just a one off but this sticks out like a sore thumb to me because you look at you know ninety in the early nineties and certainly in the mid nineties every old WWF star hops up and WCW Hacksaw Earthquake Bosman Honky. Tonk man whatever Tito never does. Is that mostly out of loyalty to fence or did he just not want to be there? Do you know what Tedo never really switched? Jerseys I you know. I don't know I really don't love. That would be a question for Tito but I would assume knowing kind of human being that Tito is that it was out of loyalty and just didn't need it anymore and probably did it as a situation of. Hey here's a one-off I'll go do it and have some fun. Let's talk about the major moment. That's still to come for Tito. He goes in the hall of fame in two thousand four Shawn Michaels Dachshund and. Tito said that every picture on the do that he thought it was kind of an odd choice because they'd only ever had one match against each other. I never really had an angle together. But still what a great honor it is to have one of the greats of all undocked. You pretty big moment wrestling critical going the WB Hall of fame and Have Sean Duchy. No no he goes in the pro wrestling hall of fame in two thousand twelve. The W H F induction would take place in. May of two thousand thirteen. These days. Tito is a Spanish teacher and a basketball coach at Eisenhower. Middle School in New Jersey. He lives there with his wife. Lee and their three sons. Matthew Michael and mark and his wife operates Santana's Hair Salon in New Jersey and He also teaches some wrestling classes in a New Jersey based independent Wrestling Federation. He's done some physical education in Elementary School in New Jersey as well and amazingly all these years later Tito still wrestles the occasional match. I think even wrestled twenty nineteen. What's what do you think is legacy will be in professional wrestling? Ariba and think that Tito is Tina will go down as just probably one of the most well rounded well respected of talents of all time not gonNA find anybody. This is no controversy around. Tito Santana into knocking to find anybody. That's GonNa knock him say that he was an asshole in any way because he wasn't and think that he's going to be that consistent talented every time that you put him in the rain. You wouldn't be disappointed. Let's let's take a minute and recommend you have a favorite. Tito math that you can recommend for some of our Our listeners who maybe don't know a lot about data well I don't know where it is but I would always go back to the for me and again because sentimental for me but the October thirty first match from Houston Texas Nineteen eighty-one with boxing. Just coming out moment for him that you saw him go in is unknown and leave as a hero in. That's that's hard to do these days but Tina was able to come in and do that pull it off again. That's obscure match. Maybe out there somewhere. But it's one of those that was treated great. Thank for of modern time. You gotta go back to him. Dropping the title to Macho Man. I think that that's something that everybody's seen in you. Just get an example of how good Tito was without question a tremendous match And pretty iconic moment next week we're going to be covering in your house. The very first one bruce. We've covered a lot of in your houses over the days but the very first one was a pretty special one. Because it's a unique concept for the company As we know it went down on May fourteenth from Syracuse New York. Your main event is diesel and psycho said for the world title also had Jerry Lawler Bret Hart Owen and Yokozuna taking on the smoking guns Mabel working with Atom Bomb Razor Ramon at working with Jeff Jarrett and the Rhody and a match between Bret Hart and her Khushi with Shinchosha. I have I have to say. I'm looking forward to that for at least one moment. I'm looking forward to talking about in your house next week with Bruce and if you've got a question go ask us on twitter right now at Pritchard show And if you haven't already you should throw us a follow their at Pritchard show this week. We asked if you had a question about Tito Santana and we got hundreds of replies Bruce. There's no way we'll get to all of them. Let's get a few. Are you ready? I'm ready Ephron wants to the buggy that Tito lost every match between Wrestlemania to and wrestlemania eight. Couldn't they have given him a win? That wasn't a dark match at Wrestlemania niner before Efren. You're better than this Owen. Walston was the matador gimmick a rib read MC domain wants to know where to wwe. Get Tito's bulls for bullfighting. Eligible are us. And James D Shay says came up with the El Matador Gimmick. And how lucky was Tito to pull that out of the box of gimmicks instead of the Repo Man Gimmick? Well Tina wanted the riflemen but it had already been polled and it was being used as an alternate the x nine twenty-seven rights if Tom zink wooden hat and quit what Titas. Wbf career ended much. Sooner Tino wasn't doing much Strikeforce but the team turned into two years of stories for him without that what you have stuck around as long as he did you know. I think he would have. I think that Tito was counted. Talented he would have found something and he would have been around just as long. Let's this is a fun question. Just pretend for a minute. Help me out cuss. Jones wants to know who was moreover Tito in Mexico or trade in Florida teen was never over Mexico really even a W B F for viewers in Mexico. I think that Tito was moreover with With the American audience. Nobody was over more butchering floral. Never thank you ever saw. T ROB wants to know. Y'All remember Jesse that what the butchery was over in Florida. Yeah he invented Netflix. Does you see that everybody knew that he was talking about that. Shit back. Then t rob Watson. Dr Remember Jesse Ventura Calling Him Chico. Santana and calling his finisher the flying burrito. I gotTa Tell You I. That is one of the things I remember. Most because of course gorilla monsoon would just be credulous at this. Will you stop? This added a lot to the character to have Jesse sort of bust on commentary and and guerrilla defended. Now I'll absolutely and it was something that was one of Jesse's favorite things to do the his head in the history of WWe writes In terms of longevity and consistency who is the tomato? Santana of a modern. Wwe Randy Orton off signal. Oh that's a great name Dos. Sigler Adam Leeson Wassenaar could of ever been in a man of feud for the company or does Bruce. Think he's one of those guys who didn't mean that didn't need the title to Be Successful. Wa think that Tito was in main event viewed of Valentine and savage throughout the years so yes was instagram wrestling historian writes who was. GonNa win the Rick Martel Santana Mass Summer Slam. Ninety before model got injured. Fun Little Footnote. They're probably the model. I mean clearly. That's the answer but I love that even Tito show. You're like nope. It was definitely the mile just Chris wants to know. How's the personal relationship with Tito and his sister are Reba mcentire? The didn't didn't speak a lot but every once in a while to do that. I THAT STUPID. Goddamn when somebody wrote a REBA mcentire man. Mula fell out and I couldn't help but not ask listen. I really appreciate that. We are able to You know break down one of the all-time sort of unsung heroes of the WWF. Especially with his tag title runs his Intercontinental Title Ryan's but Mike Great Question. Bruce do you consider Tino to be better as a solo performer or a Tag Solo? Really? It does great performer. But I think that he is. I think that he was better as a solo. Lots of Listeners WANNA know King Boca rights was Tito ever offended by being called Chico on commentary so we sort of laughed Jesse doing it earlier and I thought it added to the presentation but I never considered that. Oh man this one actually not be something. Tito's on board with Tito time. That was something that Tito understood. Just did get heat. Dick Byrne has an interesting question. I've heard the Tito help. Name Razor Ramon that truth as far as you know. I don't know because I was there when when that came when raising I came in. They could have good. I don't know well. Let's put a bow on it about every other question is asking you to send girls and cars in a different character voice. But it's far too early for that but this was fun for us to get in our way back machine and pay them is one of the all time greats. Tito Santana hope you guys Doug it next week. We're going to be back at you for in your house. 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#281-Our Favorite Masked Wrestlers

The Double Dropkick Show

49:32 min | 4 months ago

#281-Our Favorite Masked Wrestlers

"Yellow Later Russell with championship wrestling with a big week join us right now. Hey welcome to the double dropkick show. I'm Heath Mulligan. And we are back and mark comes in. The House today we've moved out of my mother's basement. And he's like, Hey, did you ever post the other episodes? And I posted them Patriot Fan. where she go picture on dot com slash double dropkick best best money you can spend in wrestling and I guess opposed him they didn't post it so they're posted now allegedly. And nothing's been happening really since we recorded last. So. That's. So. Heli Toledo where. Do we even start. Not. been anything. Nothing really big world right to talk about. Nothing going on and wrestling. Yeah and things are pretty calm earbud getting along. Its non election year. We. Ask You a question like. I can you think of a year where so much has happened? I think a lot of years a lot of things have happened. I think I mean this is just my it's not my professional opinion, but it's just a theory I have. I believe that it's possible that the advent, the twenty four hour news cycle and social media. Appear that more stuff is happening than it actually. Is makes us aware of all the stuff that's happening? So it seems that more is happening than there used to be. But used to just sit down and even. The local yeah thirty minutes. Was the national you like national news for an hour and read the paper in the morning. Paper and that was kind of it. If you were really up things maybe you. Maybe. You read a paper from New York or la or are are USA today or something like that. I used to think Alice hot stuff getting USA Today I win when we first started doing fantasy football the there was no internet. So we had to do all the stats hand but I subscribed to USA Today to get all the football steps. So, that was the only reason you. At this day up to date on all the news. I didn't even know they had. I didn't even know they had. Other. News. In. Sometimes they had something about a movie on their inner painted payment I. Guess that was the life page. USA Today went from having four sections I. Think he's just one section now probably, and it's all in one. I can't remember the last time. picked. Read a newspaper. You know. Even my father quit. got. Rid of his subscription recently. told me. He's. I mean as far as I can remember, he's always sitting read the paper every morning. But. Nah. I hate when somebody shares A link on social media. To like the New York Times or The Washington Post or the Anderson Independent or Greenville and you click on it. And you gotta subscribe you gotTa pay to read it and I'm lying. Why did you? Share this either you didn't either you share in this link and you didn't read it your headline, right? Right right. Do you really think are just reading the headlines I mean I'm GONNA. Be. Doing that than reading the entire headland, they're just reading the tone. Yeah of the hitter. Speaking of the tone of the header, let's just go ahead. We're recording this on July eleventh. And I WANNA go ahead and get this out of the way I wanna hear your presidential election prediction. Not who you WANNA win. I. WanNa make some predictions I want to get it out of the way I want to be the prognosticators that just go ahead and bought a boom bottoming. Yeah. Oh I. You know I'm looking at third party candidates. We got a third party candidate from Clemson University Joe Jordan Johnson? Her running mate is a guy named Spike Cohen. How do you not vote for that ticket? Spike Spike Cohen how do you know for those people? Yeah I. Think we will have an election. I think half the people will be happy. Yeah No. Let me rephrase that. Forty percent will be happy. With who won. Forty percent will be angry with. Who didn't win? Twenty percent will never be happy. No matter what. No I think you're wrong about that. Okay. I'm not saying you're not that the forty forty eight, right Is that other twenty? Yeah. So they're never going to be happy yet or some people that. When I don't know what the percentage is of follow with. George Carlin's thanking of You know. You're the one that voted you're the one that causes the problem. So I do I'm the only one that king of play I didn't vote for anybody. So maybe it's forty, forty, ten ten. Maybe. There's another ten percent that just has to get up go work here day regardless of who wins I'm part of the one percent who understands this election or every election. First of all tell me. I feel like Vincent man promotes all the election. There's this big election of our lifetime. Favorite election is the biggest election of our lifetime. None are the biggest election of our lifetime. I mean if it's the biggest wrestlemainia of all time. Then then our big. If every one of. Doug greatest a spectacle on human history. That's right. I said Terrible Vincent Man. But I'm intentionally alley chicken wings intentionally doing a badminton man 'cause Bruce Prichard? He's got the corner on good visit man. Impression. Whatever impersonator that was when I got to see live show that was like the Oft what I went for like I don't even care what stories you tell just do and they had like the faces on the sticks and he would put the face in he would do voice and it was good. I don't have the faces on the sticks just have the voices. And all the voices are in my head. We did you see the big lunch shout out to pizza and more of Easley? South. Carolina they do not get our highest recommendation as a black smoke house or Saris then would They won't be won't be getting ringing endorsement. A. daters Mike Yes yes, I guess Dana is open again, I don't know what they're eating rules are. Now I have moved. You I live a lot closer to you now. So probably a little closer but not close. Solicit. So. Since everybody we I have a few notes here. Let's talk. Let's talk so. Full disclosure, we were GONNA do some watch alongs today and my power went out mark got. Here we started. Shooting the breeze like we normally do before we start recording power went out. We think it's because. My Samsung television overheard what we were talking about sin signal to the aluminum body boom they shut us down. But everybody's wearing. A lot of debate about mask. So I wanNA talk about that I, don't know that we've ever talked about this. Who are some of your favorite mass wrestlers of all time? You're GonNa ask me what I thought about wearing a my as well. What do you think about wearing a mask? Not a huge inconvenience. You have to wear one at work as I. Do you have to wear one at work and I wear them when I go. I mean. I think and I may be wrong. It could be I. Don't follow the World News about other countries. Yeah. It's we're like one of the only country that made a political issue out of. Like Wearing, a mask and social distancing. You. Know whereas other other people kind of just said, hey, you know like we could probably get back to normal if we do this thing people just for some reason don't want to and that's that's that's fine. Yeah. They got a right to do what they WANNA do not do us. We're still we still live in America's. I, you know my thing is i. I, tend to wear one. Yeah if I'm. Going to the. Store. To go yesterday war mask. Southern Westlands provided us with mask. Shopping the other day yesterday and. When you and I left to go get today grab one. Yeah, you know. I I. There's plenty of big. Do I don't I don't understand it I don't think. I don't think the make them asking me to wear masks. I don't think the next step is coming for the guns. I, mean they asked me to wear shoes and shirt no shoes no shirt. No Service. So I don't. Car. Insurance every month right. I had to pay taxes. Yeah. I got my tax done yesterday a lot more concerned about that than. Oh We, we carry a government approved listening and tracking devices in our pockets. You know. If you're listening. So. I saw a great picture that was ray mysterious without a mask without a wrestling mask, but he had on Kovic. Mask. On the mask had picture Raymond Stereo in a mask. That was pretty good. Pretty good. Who are some of your favorite mash wrestlers during I'm telling you I don't WanNa hear Santo those really weren't are people. You know they weren't during our era when we were watching. But. Jewish thunder lighter. Yeah I think watching him. You know the style that He. Kinda helped bring. North America. Obviously. It's gone a lot further than athletically that he's he just retired. Yeah I always think a ham when I think of my favorite masked wrestlers these and one of my favorite matches of all time was double hair versus double math match with. Those gringos, logos. Eddie Guerrero when Art Bar? Versus Octagon. Octagon. In Tucson Yeah. I think that we talked about that on our one of our earlier. We talked but anyway, it's an incredible match the. All the way up through I finally got a DVD with it, own it, but it doesn't have the post-match. Which I really wish was on the. Where art our Dutton want to get his head shaved. But Eddie, Guerrero. Kind of tells them like you have to do this like we. This is a pride thing with down here the stipulation after we have to abide by. Just watching those guys crying when they cut their hair, it's an incredible match. Yeah. Yeah I go back. You know when we first started re fat were coming up I believe July twentieth. Is the date. And I want to say nineteen, eighty five. The this show aired. With rock and roll express taking on the Russians. Bo James Just tweeted about that and that Man Brag some really good memories. But from that era when we first started watching the assassins. Of course, they were kind of on their way out but just. Like Jerry Hamilton one of the most believable. He has senator Yeah. promos of all time I. One of my biggest we've talked about this before but. It's so good. You talk about like one of one of the great disappointments in wrestling. Was the lead up I can't remember if it was stark, eighty, four, eighty five, but it was supposed to be. Jody Hamilton versus Jimmy Valiant. Taped fist match. And he did the Promo Fade. and. And but so right around September October you get those promos and then actual Max ends up being. A Tuxedo streetfight with Jimmy, Valiant Paula Jones, and the assassin his in Jimmy valiant corner. So I would love to go back and see what happened there. So, you know the assassins. Thunder foot the underfoot. Tell you. You can't. Be Underfoot. Just. He would low that boo. Who Was I think it was a lot of different right before I don't know that it was A. That it was one guy but I really don't know. Yeah I mean. Buddha. That's always fun. Yeah. He won't go beat nobody, but it was fun. I liked him when I was a kid Oh? Yeah. No no, he would. You think that the referee would kinda catch on why is this guy called thunder? What is? Never. Catch. I'll tell you how about the midnight rider. I wanted to spend a good deal of time talking about. If I'm not mistaken. originated. In the midnight rider made this was something this ain't type of angle was done in multiple places, different places, but midnight rider originated in Florida. He actually wins the. Title and then they say wait amassed wrestler can't hold the the title says relinquish it. Gist. I, it brought it to mid Atlantic. Just. A great. Great. Like. A classic example of getting one over on the heels right When everybody knows who you're? Right, and they were able to do it again you know Franken Jessie J yeah. Ignominy dusty and they drove Jim Cornet behind the truck now what? Do. You remember why they were wearing I? Think they were just like they weren't or where do they suspended seems like they were but I'll be honest with. You know. Out. I'll just don't keep up with it like I used to where I'm reading about this stuff. Oh Yeah. So yeah, Franken I remember. Franken Jesse, James or having a match. CORNETS DOING A. Interview. How's it going to say was it wasn't when Magnum suspended for slapping Bob Goggle. Now, that was an Akita coli when he got stripped to the US title less right so They. So franken gesture having a match to jobbers the midnight express going jump. In Jim Cornets in the back still in my side, they're going to show him who it is and it's like wait a minute. That's. While they're doing it like magnum and dusty walk to the the. The the interview air, your whatever, and it's just like that to me. As. A Kid. The Oh. Yeah. That's right. Yeah man was fun and it wasn't nobody was out there diving over the top rope for cutting about your flips. It was just they were I mean Jim Cornet was so entertaining he made everything he did. Look at the level of talent that was involved Jim Cornet the midnight express dusty Rhodes Magnum ta that's somebody posted the clip. and. It may be from eighty six and it was it was just a clip of interest is the midnight express coming the ring? That great. So yeah, and then And then Rocco. Stress comes running. It's just their interest is and it's it's at some like. Civic. Center. But it's just. The look the raw look and feel of it. Just the pandemonium yeah. Just the crowd and the there's nothing I mean there's a barricade around the ring but there's no. They're just walking up an aisle. Yeah. There's no nothing keeping the fan that's wild when you watch the way I watched. They did. A deal with Ron Simmons on the WWE network a couple of weeks ago where I think it's called photo shoot they show them pictures. Yeah. And they can't tell the different stores and they'll watch clips. There's a great moment when when Ron, Simmons Beats, big Van Vader, the first black world heavyweight champion. There's a little kid. Sitting in the front row. Yeah. A Little African American. Kid and he loses his minds. Yeah. Because he saw somebody. Yeah. You know something happened that he probably thought wasn't GonNa Happen You know what I mean and he just loses his mind jumping. He's about to jump Gar. He's so happy that Ron. Simmons big, Big Van Vader. I miss those kind of things happen in wrestling where where people have that kind of visceral emotional response man it just doesn't happen anymore it's because. Instead now. Of, having twelve and thirteen year olds. On the front row or their dad. You got twentysomethings thirtysomethings forty sevens. Because, the tickets have been out prized for family, right but it's these. Armchair Book. I saw somebody posted a question the other day. If. You could ask Vince McMahon one question what would it be? And I was just curious. Yeah. Wonder what people would ask you. Yeah. Why don't you make people do unscripted interviews. Why don't you let people be more and and I thought not WanNa you mouth breather thought to ask command hey, went from the trailer park being a billionaire right nobody you're not interested in I. I understand he had leg up. Yeah. All right. Because father own one of the major rescue operations and the okay I understand that but he still started out from nothing. Yeah and became a billionaire turned a regional promotion. into the worldwide leader in sports entertained. Yeah. As opposed. To maybe ask him how. Yeah. What is thoughts? Where how high market things he could ask him one question you'd ask him why he don't let people do scripted. Here's scripted interview. Here's the difference between. Basic Man. And so many other people. Vince McMahon. Win Regards Wrestlemainia one well, so many steps along the way. visit main gambled on himself here. And even point in time, it could have just gone under. You you can talk about. The bad things Vincent Man has done. But the fact of the matter is the man sleeps four hours. A night is a holic. And he's been doing that for fifty something years shoot longer that. William maybe it is fifty seven year and like why everybody else is in the back laughing and joking. He's sitting to monitor baby cooking and smoke. That's right. And that's the thing is sometimes. Under the rest of the. Blue Light. Stuck my finger and something. That's where Drake's it. So it's probably. Exact. Saul Luger's. Might be hey, listen you better. Hope it's hopeful. But yet you think back to. Wrestlers different now, and that's one of the things we were. GonNa. Do we were going to watch the eight man tag from AWAC night restless different But here's the thing human. Human emotion. Still the same that's right. People are still the same. I JUST WANNA know. Like dances storytelling, his storytelling, his storytelling. Movies are movies. You know there's only like six story lines you can even. They're like the based storylines. But what was the last time? There was just? It's like wrestling fans now we're so caught up in. How we would have done it or did rethinking. We don't enjoy the moment. It's like instead of getting caught up in the emotions like I wouldn't book that finish. You wouldn't put any finish. That's the reason you're not hired. Nobody's paying you to be a booker, right? I don't. Say just because YOU WATCH NASCAR don't make you mechanic. Or driver or driver right? But I think social media and everything has. There's a platform for everybody to share their opinion about everything you. And most of them are we finding out the the thing about opinions is true everybody's got one and most of them do think yeah and. I think it's very easy you and I were talking about this earlier. We get bombarded with all these opinions and all these articles and the back in the fourth, and it's easy to get caught up in that. And I've been very guilty of seeing something won't to respond to it. and. I think it was Jordan Peterson. Who says, why do you have to respond to everything you like there's no rule that says. What if you could just ignore it right and it would ruin your day right and. So for me so the choice is well, I'm just GONNA. Get off social media not mess with. which for part of my work, I gotta be on social media. Other thing is I want to be mentally strong enough. To not be you shared a great post? You shared a great screen shot with me I'm not gonNA let. Stuff's way me. And I. That's where I WANNA BE I. WanNa. Be Mentally tough to where I can see the most ridiculous thing on twitter facebook and not spend fifteen minutes trying to come up with the perfect response that I won't keep go. It'd be like you know what I've learned followed a ton of people facing. Great. I've felt like I got rid of facebook. Yeah. I got rid of INSTAGRAM. Yeah. Just kept twitter and I've just been on following everybody on twitter. Yeah. If if all you do. Is tweet. Salts yeah. Right provide anything you're not giving enough if you got some original thoughts. Yeah. I'm interested man I don't care if you. If you disagree with me right I'm interested in hearing what you think right? Because you might say something that I had thought about. Learn something from us, disagreed with one another right. I know that's a strange place to be right in two, thousand and twenty th say I'm willing to listen to somebody whose opinion not the same as right But. That's how you learn. That's how you grow as a person. But if all you're doing is telling me what other people think. Then there's nothing that I can learn from me, right so I've just been on following all all the retrievers. Yeah that's all you doesn't an retweeted the same walk behind her. tweeter. You do you. The view never changes. The view never changes back. Back to desi roads midnight rider was a good segue. The, James Boys I'm GonNa, be honest like. I don't necessarily consider obviously ray mysterious is mash wrestler you but to me he transcended being. A Mass I don't complain. About him I don't think I'll. Is, a great mash fresh. I just think Oh, it's register. Yeah. I guess that's kind of where it is would would like to. And Ultimate Dragon is another guy that was way ahead of his time I want to go back. He's somebody I want to go back and watch who ultimately a lot of his stuff. Yeah. That I mean he. The move from the rain. To the floor, his a lot to do with him is he's the he's. Created the moon salt. You know what? I'm talking about they stand and jump up on the middle rope. I mean, that was him. Yeah. I think Light Ray Phoenix. Pentagon year. Great. They're so good. I. Mean that whole. The whole cruiserweight crew from Nitra. Maybe, not maybe not Super Cala Yeah. That whole crew man I mean just brought a whole style used to look forward to the matches because different right? That was what was so great about. Nine zero. Is Nitro had different gears throughout the show. It felt like you had different pacing. At its peak when it was really good when they had some top level talent there. was. Show. You had the really good storytelling stuff with the N. W. O. Dallas pay I watched that recently when. When DDP was teasing joining the. And then he hits hits the guys with the diamond. Cutter Hauling is that was great man you gotta he run off into the crowd and it made him. Yeah. You mean, that made him the People's champ count already building that steam but that moment bone put him over the top. Would you say? D. was about perfectly. Viewed with savage Y-. And I think he talked about a series of matches Eddie Guerrero. Syria. and then the feud with savage that really prepared him for that next. level. And then not joining the in W. A.. I'm just saying popularity wise and then building where you built a bill to build his popularity and then ninety wins the title no one. You know there's four guys in that match he's like nobody's thinking domino's pages walking out. Yeah. He was I. mean he he He was friends with the right people I. Mean if right and that's got a lot to do with it and. I always, I always liked Diamond Dallas page. I see him once a week when I do yoga. He. I mean, there's not many people in the world that can make you do yoga not be mad at him. He's like just so positive and I think that's another reason I know he's not a perfect person. The like how many? How. Many people do you think I mean how many people have you ever heard like really talked bad. Down pays man he just didn't work hard runs. Ric flair didn't like him I don't think. I've heard Rick flair speak clearly like anybody didn't seem to I think. I think especially during that time. Right. If. You're a top guy or anywhere near close to the top anytime somebody start getting. Close, to that spot, there was probably some animosity. Is this a different different wrestling business? Than it was. Whereas you may cause, you'll hear stories about flair dusty were by best friend. Yeah. and. Then they were ravel and they didn't get along and then after that was over, they became best friends again. Yeah. Yeah. Same with flair and phone I've heard that about flair funk they got along really well until they were contempt until they were peers. And then once they were passed that peak of their careers they became good friends again. I. Think if you look back. The. Guys who held the. Title. For extended periods of time. There's camaraderie a resp- like you think about Dory funk Terry Font Jack Brisco ric flair race. There was like this. Among. Them. I remember reading or might entail funk's but. Terry FUNK's Book Jack. BRISCO book. Just. The grind basically Terry Fund did it for a year it was like all right I'm. Like I don't need to do this anymore. That's why you know Ola Andersson didn't want to be the champion yeah. and. It's why did won't flair champion he didn't have to. He could keep him on the road to deal with them all the time, oh. Yeah. That's so speaking of flair leads me to one of my least favorite. Manhattan. Black Scorpion. How would that have turned out? If Alvarez had really been the Black Scorpion probably, not much better. If it was anybody. But the ultimate warrior, right? It was going to be let. Yeah. Because that was the T. Yeah. It was always in the wrestling magazines that they and they were trying to make you believe it was the ultimate war. So they think they s why Vince McMahon gets upset sometimes with his talent going at each other on twitter when you're setting something up that he has no intention of paying off. Right they set something up. That not only. Didn't have the ability to pay. That being the ultimate. They did that twice. Before, they actually got him to wc what was the second when they brought the renegade in oh? Yeah. They said they made you believe the ultimate warrior was coming in twice and didn't do. Until they finally got him. You said, you said you set up an angle in a storyline that you couldn't pay off. So no matter who was under that masks anything less than the ultimate warrior was going to be a let stink remember Sipowicz some kind of. Alison remember here. I mean. That was my like, but watching that in the moment leading up to the pay off the match. Was Mind blowing angle and I'm not talking about when they did all the. Hocus pocus I'm just talking about the PROMOS. Use like what is this? What could this be see? I was like that. Right. Yeah I can remember. Coming off of. The the Rick. flair ricky, steamboat, ric flair, and Terry funk and. and. Like that timeframe of great matches and really enjoy in that. and. Then when they got to the the Black Scorpion thing. Kind of go on. See I what had been paying attention because law wrapped around. All of that were like really good wrestling matches that were APP COSC-. That's right about the time. Wrestling. was on Saturday and Sunday. I didn't have cable and this is about the time wrestling's coming off. Regular TV. So I wasn't watching, I didn't have as much wrestling to watch. as I did, and so I was missing. I was missing a lot of that. Part of your. Probably. Eighty nine when your favorite years everywhere. And I mean I really missed a lot of that. Missed out on it and you know robbed robbed in my childhood. TV Guy didn't have TBN. He's just like that our show Saturday or so and our show was basically fifteen minutes of it was showing you what happened on TV S. Alright. Fast, we got a great clip for you right here. We're GONNA show you how to show right now. And then you'd see oh dog and I didn't get to watch that. Would say. Watch it Doggett. Any other mass wrestlers why how somebody's not doing working all of this into? Like wearing a mask cova mask while wrestling I, guess one of the referees was wearing it was wearing a man. It's one of the guys in wwe where facemask. I haven't watched Ali or something like that He does yeah he wears thing. Yeah. I just ordered to under armour masks. pre-ordered they were selling. I might have been the rick flair website they were selling Rick Flair, but the kind that go down around your neck. WWE had him. But the under armor ones are. Pretty. Nice. They're supposed to be made out the cooling. The cooling stuff, we got him to take the Florida with yeah. Interesting. Interesting. If you had to wear wrestler mask if if all of this Kobe they said, all right. Everybody's got away. Wrestler mastel help prevent spread what mass would you? Would it be the master fake undertaker war? Yeah those are cool. Those are like a phantom of the opera mass How like the great mood is mask? The one that he wears would be cool about the vader does that count as a mask, the BAITER SHOULDER PADS That'd be way too much trouble man to wear that way. Keep you safe wear that I got to close. You are to close. Those. I like the the mood a mask and trying to think of some good I like Pentagon maybe where his mass. Canning. Mankind. I think the mankind masks with stink. All that Levy or just give me the SAS in mask. This acid my ask is is pretty good. What about you know x mass for you know, Calvin? He's He's had dude, he sent me his mass were incredible. They really are nice. He Sells A. Replicas. But like his real masks, right he wears like to make personal. Do those are incredible I. Don't know how much he paid for the right but those are some nice masks. Very. I have I have eight by ten signed from him and I got home and it's an inverted picture. He's holding his rookie of the year. He'd of Yob Black and it's all backwards. Yeah I didn't notice that I got home it was I. I tell you all of our plans got thrown up because we we were going to watch the stadium stampede match. Date man match not going to be it would do any of that. The undertaker's last. We didn't. Let me look at my time. Here may be a whole nother episode. Yeah let's say that for another episode. Mark You I said, you already told everybody you're off social media separate twitter where he I don't twitter. For now. Yeah I. You know I mean heath molested. So, where you can go patriot dot com slash double drop kick and if you. Pretty much every day. Now since I have a commute where I don't have to walk across the parking lot I talk about the stuff to wrestling mark could care less about that's local wrestling actually need to show us the wrestling cards that I ordered. The into the local independent wrestling cards. Let me just tell you. You always tell me to manage my expectations and I did ordered these cards and in our private patron facebook group I did boxing's. Had the lowest expectations that could have had they didn't meet they did not make those. however, I want to see these cards I just ordered the Phil Singer Games legends of pro wrestling because I wanted to compare the two games. Always wanted to play the field singer Games you opened up a POW back in the day champions in the galaxy also ordered the legend starter pack and now ordered like. X and some of North Carolina they did some of those cards. And I wanted to compare the two. But as soon as I opened these local cards looked the rules I'm like good night is like the hardest game ever. Not As simple as the game Mac meal and I devised in eighty eight eighty. Eight eighty nine ninety that we could have made a million dollars off of you anyway. But that's where you need to go patriots dot com slash double drop kick. Who knows we may records the patron. Stuff today, we may put all of our political talk on their where we talk about how we really feel about what's going on in the world. Or not you're probably not. We don't want to get canceled. I mean I'll say what I say I'm not coming. I'm not. GonNa say go get me canceled I would hope I kind of tend to agree with a lot of things but. I just figure folks don't come here that no, that's right. They wanted to. Escape Right? You know where to find all that stuff. Yeah. Yeah. So anyway, that's where we're at. We're going to. We want to talk about mask. We don't I. You know what? Where am I where I don't care I'm wearing a mask. You know what you thought whether even. Even. Our. If we I think we should be at a point where like if you don't WanNa wear math that's fine. But I don't think you should feel you shouldn't try to make people feel stupid forward him first of all, right but. I'm not sure that we. That you should get mad if somebody says, Hey, GonNa need you to stand back from me. Right a few fine. You don't want to wear the mask you need to go stand over there. I wouldn't let a guy getting elevator with me the other day. Really. He didn't have on a mass. Elevator and he went to step on and I, put my hand up and said I'm more are down on this end elevator back up to you take. He said no problem. Close the door and his face road. Day. You buy sell as Milwaukee. Okay. Well. Hey that's how we feel. I I personally think there's enough cool mascot there I may wear one for the duration. You and I were laughing about it. I've been social distancing my whole life. Anyway. Yeah. And now to add another layer of entity Tamar walking through the world. Yeah. Fine with me mad I don't mind wearing. I kind of enjoy it. Because when you wear to mass people don't expect you to talk to them. Exactly. They don't have to smile at people. You can stick your tongue out after him Adam underneath the. Say, things about him talk about him times the people that. Don't know you very well. Yeah. It not sure if she. Yeah. From a distance, people don't recognize people from a distance anymore. It go track somebody down to have a conversation with them. I don't think you and I think you and I never escape that I think people making is from a distance. From where together? I think in a store could pick you out. I've usually wanted to pick me out right and I pick you out. What I'm saying is From twenty thirty, forty yards away I can tell as win. I can tell when it's you by the way you all. Yeah. Little Baby. You got to go to baby very. Got Him short. So he likes to ride around on a chicken. If video skinny lakes. Chickens back. But. That's good. You lose weight pathetic. Have lost about thirty pounds. Yeah. I can tell you I have to. Like everybody the world on fire and falling apart you and I are bettering ourselves. I told you earlier I had a I haven't had any tobacco products in a few weeks but hadn't had a cigarette and five. This is the first recording in the history of the show where we haven't gotten. The. Whole time. That's true. I didn't think about that. You, get it through like I still have to clear my throat. Yeah. About once an hour and I still got that thing going on but not like obviously not not a bad like the world is getting invaded by. Lung attaching virus in Mark's lungs have never been clear. Yeah man that's what I tell. Everybody man my immune system is jacked to the Gills. Anyway because. Some of you know just being dirty like. I'm trying to do things now to keep my immune system built up the other day I had my my cooler with some some beer in yeah and I was going to make a Margarita. Yes. Oh, instead of going to the freezer and getting is I just reached down and got the is out of the cool with it said the water in it for three weeks. Yeah. I just got a handful of that plus it's got the beer that's been in the the grocery store and all in that water and I made the Margarita out of that is. Just just jack the immune system of like that's what's wrong with us. We walk around washing their hands and sanitize and everything all the time putting back. So our immune systems got we gotta get strong. The other day at work. Some roof water that's been sitting on a flat stagnant roof and fell about one hundred feet all the way from the top where I work at it fell right into. And I blinked and got it in my bloodstream because I knew it was good for me. That's true. Stewart. You hope that was water. This is what I do. Now Man I'm trying like I'm Bob Moon System is strong and I got the battle heart and loves. The lungs is made. They have seen some things you know what I'm an. Mike Tyson. Ain't the only person I can a comeback. are like, Nick Nolte and tropic. Thunder. BEEN THERE HERE A. Arm bloedel. Boy. I. Got the Purple Heart Lows. Got Ptsd. Cigarettes. Shoe. You can get marks latest comedy album on. Pay Palace. This is what you missed. You just missed us that matter what we talked about it is what it is. We talk about the rest of grew with the wrestling you need to watch now and stuff you know what's funny is the yesterday we I called you just said, Hey, similar new address. Let's not talk about anything. Yeah. I'll just walk in we'll start record yeah and I walked in and we talked for about four hours. Eight pizza got some way the power went out. Through south three through way off. Yep, Yep Yep. So I think we can get back there scheduled. Uh. I think we can't. Somehow we'll figure it out. We gotta work on that but. Yeah, I mean I I'm a completely different job scenario now. But As you have when you have to go to. Office hours now. Skipping work is frowned upon here. Is that wrong I got to somebody told me I was wrong I would've done it. I gotTA leading. All. Right everybody. 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#260:  Shooting on the Shoots

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#260: Shooting on the Shoots

"Yellow again this and later also with championship wrestling when another big week joyless right now. Hey, welcome to the double drop kick show. I'm heath molecule. Whitland. And today we're talking about. It's a couple of weeks after it happened. So we've let things kinda cool down. And now we're gonna starts turning back up. A few weeks ago. As a matter of fact, on mother's day, may the twelfth two thousand nineteen revolution. Wrestling thority in high point North Carolina had there. I believe they were doing monthly shows. That show was that afternoon that evening, I started getting messages. I started getting messages from fans. Hey did you hear about this? They had had gotten private messages. I guess there's like a group text. And they had heard from one of the wrestlers that was there, telling them what had happened. Well, that's the problem right there. That's part of the problem with they didn't hear from one of the wrestlers. They heard from a Mark who hangs out in addressing Ray. What did the wrestler stop? Police in the business. When did they stop protecting? So the wrestlers a group ticks with the fans. I don't think it's I know I don't think there's a fan group text. I think the wrestler message message, one of the fans and then that I can tell somebody that I know I don't think no I don't think I don't think so how, so here's what happened if you, if you've been on a different planet, or you not from the south, this was picked up this story talked about on Jim cornets podcast talked about on XBox podcast talked about Dave Meltzer, talked about it. Everybody's talking about Bruce Mitchell wrote, Bruce Mitchell was there. Okay. He wrote an article on it. He had he had talked to both sides. He had to get Arkell but it was the incident between Jacob Ryan, and Brad Anderson, Brad Anderson, who is the son of a legendary wrestler, gene Anderson, according to your question. I'd ever. I never said that if you only. Never never. I was out toll to buy that the other day that done that, that I was like, in the process. And I was like, wait a minute. They're not. Because Jerry Briscoe is there that weekend? And I was. And that was the weekend. I bought the Jack Brisco might man, that's gotta be cool to like work with your brother. Yeah. Almost ended every almost like. Out of been like is still real to me guy. Right anyway. Luckily had it. Long working with with other really. So let's catch you up on it. Okay. In April at the show, bright, Anderson's out with his son, who is training to be arrest ler. They are receiving an award. All right. Jacob Ryan, who is a he'll comes out and Jacob Ryan has wrestled for our W eight for years, probably since the beginning, he was a long. Reigning cruiserweight champion for them. He some he's been a corner. He's been an integral part of the promotion. He came out interru- legendary tough guy. Jacob guy he ITO what whatever they go back and forth. And then he gives Brad Anderson, which I've seen the video of this now. He gives him a short arm. Clothesline. And the and the kid gets hurt breaks some rips now. If you're, you're patron, which which I can say this now because it's been a few weeks. It's not breaking news. Anymore are reported to our patrons that. I heard two sides of this story heard one side of the story that he wasn't hurt at all the other side of the story. You know, they said he wrote one rib, he actually broke four ribs that it was actually worse. The injury was a key. I don't know. I don't know. I believe he's in high school. I don't know. So. Right Anderson, allegedly, I guess they said Jacob Brian, they didn't hear from him. He didn't apologize apparently. Jacob Ryan did try to reach out. I don't know because because the kid no sold it. Brad Anderson toll Bruce Mitchell. I didn't even know he was hurt till we got in the car because he didn't he wanted to know sell it, he didn't wanna act like he was hurt. I don't know. Maybe we maybe Brad Anderson's was trying to create an illusion for the people that were there of, you know, I don't know. So Brad Anderson's telling me, maybe his teenage sons more man than a guy that. Well, okay. So we sell they Bill. They say, hey Jacob Brian, and Brad Anderson. They're going to have this mandate. If I'm not mistaken. Brad Anderson, sign released a t-shirt that said, I'm still standing or something like that. No, Brad Anderson. Oh, that wasn't his son. Did that now getting sympathy bookings? Okay. All right. All right. I was just I thought it was Brad ambitious kid I thought it was teenage kid that was doing all are you serious? He you're scared me there for a minute. So. We'll get to that the teenage kids, the one that press charges against Jacob Ryan for hurting him. You know, he could have we'll get to. That is why oh, that so RW a pushes. Hey, this is Brad Anderson's gonna teach him a lesson. And like if you read the ad for this match, you're like, well, this is personal. They get there. Allegedly. I wasn't in. I don't know what Jones trial said, Brad Anderson. I don't know what he said to Jacob Ryan. I don't know what he said to both of them. I don't know what they agreed to. I don't know what they talked about other than. Hey, we'll make this, this going to be a little stiff go may, we won't this look real. They get out there. Brad Anderson cuts, promo says, hi, I'm on this is what we call the old days receipt. I won't teach you a lesson to the bell rings. And he's on Jacob. Ryan takes Jacob Brian down. Jacob Ryan tries to get away. The videos out there is that was that. Brad Anderson was also asking the referee to please. Jacob ryan. No that no, no, no, no. I've evidently got this thing. All. Yeah. That's generally like legendary tough guys. That's what they've done is they were beating people up. They were saying, please get him off of me. Please get him off. You know when we were in junior high, there was a brawl. It was like yearbook day and something happened and something was said, and so. I guess, to Representative step forward. They're going to have this fight, Burke Arnold, and Brian Gibson Burke, horn old. Gets the first punch gets the first two punches and Brian Gibson is down. And once Brian gives him his down, everybody jumps in and Brian Gibson's thirteen fourteen at the time. What would you? Brian Gibson jumped by I mean, there's a crowd of people that jump in on him. And he got up spit. Some blood Berg Arnold, and walk down while he was legitimately getting jumped. He took you by twenty people. Because he's the one step. He got his butt kicked here, far as I know didn't get any sympathy bookings in science class at mortar. Gossip. And. Two in his defense. Brad Brian Gibson in that instance, he was taken up for somebody that now the person he was taking it for done something really stupid. But he was taken up for somebody that didn't need to be it was all stupid. Let's just get that out there. The whole thing was stupid. They shouldn't have been fighting, but Ryan and get them off them and get them up. He. You know, because it's tough guy now, Jack Gillette got in there and cleared. Let me tell you Jack was a tough. Man. He was. He really was like he's a guy Jack delay. It was probably had the mustache to prove he was probably five three. The Jagjit was arrest ler. He's not somebody would call it the nil amid you know, not to his face. He was a shooter. Yes. Did you ever see him cut all his flips? Have you seen him? He was a gymnast. Yeah. He player take off run. And then he could do the all these Handspring's. I saw him do it one time. It was impressed. Yeah. And I've seen him snatch a kid up in the back of the class one time. And throw him out of his classroom. Was I in have man he slung the kid down the hall and threw him out in the hall? I seen him do that to three times. He I seen him. Yeah. One day at, at after school thing somebody shook a coca up and gave it to them. And he threw him out. Did. Van were everywhere on this. Ballot Jack Gillette, one time was at a party and they were playing a joke, and they'd put out some dog food as dip and he didn't know it started eating it, and they came out like Jack has the whole for. He's like it's good. I'm like, what did you do? I just kept eating. It was good play. What going to hurt me? He said, jokes O'Neill. Right. So, yes. So back to the match. So the whole thing for Bill to bell, maybe sixty seconds. They get on the outside Brady Anderson picks Jacob Ryan up just picks him up drops him low suplex. What, what I, I got the message, he did bring bus Jona floor dropped him on his head. I. That's what I, I way it was built up before I saw it, right. It was built up as the way I seen the midnight express works stiffer with the monkeys on Saturday night. Right. And I think Jim cornet. Said if that was a shoot it was a bad she hears. Jim cornet summed, it up better than anybody with this. When his co host said if that happened. I one of your shows, would you did you hear what he said, I did not. He said it wouldn't ever happen to one of my shows because I look Brad Anderson, but I'd never book that of the rock. Right. It was great. Right. Because he tells the truth GM coordinate has reached that point where he's not trying to impress anybody known. He is who he is. And, and you just take him or leave. Right. I agree with him all the time. Certainly don't agree with that. You don't agree with them on some stuff, but most of the wrestling stuff, I agree with. So. Yeah. When, when I first started getting messages of this happened, I'm like, that's not really. I wonder how this, what this store would be like, if we didn't have the video. So let me speak it on the video. So in this case, am I glad we got the video? Yeah. Well, listen. If you're wrestling fan, you don't buy a movie ticket, and livestream the movie if you pay a ticket at a wrestling show. If you won't video the man, I got no problem, especially being a network owner. Now I got no problem. If you want to add to tell somebody to take video down day. I said, listen, if you want to video this match and you wanna go if your mom wants to video this match, and you want to watch this matching, you're still cou I'm asking you. Don't post this on social media. We're trying to sell tickets. And if you're giving it away for free. What's why would people if people know, well, you know, they're going to post that on Facebook live for free. So that's a whole different issue. I've heard differing reports on the injuries that Jacob Ryan to stay. So the bell rings, right Anderson. Let's go the locker room empties, everybody's mad. They tell promoter, hey, we're none of them were mad enough to do anything at the time. They were just mad enough to get online afterwards and say what they would well, this is what I've heard. I'm just I'm trying to lay the case out there. He was escort. They they escort him out. Police come and what was weird is. They were like some of the wrestlers at commented said, well, he didn't want to agree to a fair fight. They were just one on one in the ring. Right. That not the. What's more what? What's so? What I would say is if you know, something if you're if you really suspect something's going to happen, and you really feel like you, we need to do something you had opportunity. Two. You know, look, I'm not defending what the what? No, no, right. You know, I'm not offended it right. What I saw to start, wills wrestling mat? Yeah. The out wrestle the key. It took him down. And I saw the ticky down got he's back. Yeah. Right. I mean, and I think he even got up and gave him a chance to. Like he wrote him dial he wrote him down, and then gave him a crawlspace. And then the kid goes over to the ropes I seen TASR work, just as Steve. I'll do when he smashed Sabbath. He rush Sabah's now. I'm not defending it, it shouldn't have happened. Right. Just, you know, I think there's better ways to handle it. No, I yeah. I don't I don't want anybody to think, and I don't think anybody is. Anybody saying? Oh, yeah. He should have done that. I don't I don't get that. But I think people are saying this is maybe not. You know, maybe I'm wrong when I haven't heard a lot of people Steph enough and say, and this is being handled the right way, by the other side. No, no. Maybe some fans. Right. So when here's the thing with. With Brian Anderson. He doesn't go after him before the bell. And as soon as the bell rings. I watched this time since the bell rings. He lets go. So what he did he did in the in the confines. I'm getting. I'm not saying it's right. However, I'm saying that because charges were filed court date set, I've heard through a source that the judge was like, how did this even get to me are you serious? So it's, it's a charge of simple assault. And one of the defenses for simple assault, is that there's consent. What is more consent than wrestling? That, hey we're going to do this. I'm going to do this, you're going to do this, but it it so I don't think I would be completely shocked. If, if the charges go anywhere. I know that there's some other other legal ramifications for Brad Anderson. What has shocked me isn't that? Like there have been some people who've said, okay, this, this doesn't have any place in wrestling. And I can't believe you guys are talking about that people need to be able to defend themselves that was one of the most shocking comments that I heard from a couple of people that, like, why are we talking about training people to defend themselves in wrestling school like that? That, that shouldn't even be thing anymore, that that's, so that's so old school. That that's just that's the old way of doing things. And I'm just kind of like. I like to be part of the part of the mystique we've lost. Is you gotta wall full of people right there and I guarantee you every one of them could defend himself right now. Everyone of every person own that wall. Right. They can defend themselves even the smallest guy. Right. Even like some of the guys that aren't some of your favorites because their size they were probably trained or learn or would be able to if Brad enersen jumped on them, you fly L, something if you start either start. But in prison. You know, if you think that your legitimately being attacked, and that's where to me, this is what I love about wrestling. And this is what I love about our patrons group and all that is, it's giving me a place, especially like to me. I like blowing things out of proportion. That's what I've tried to do this, because I'm treating this as our, we've finally got our Montreal. Right. And that's how I've been dealing. And that's how I've been looking at it, and is because like, I'm like it's like the uprooted field I'm like, because I heard one person say. Jacob Ryan the nice kid, though. I haven't heard anything. I don't know young man. I happen to I really everyone anybody to take away. That I'm glad that, that. Oh, god. No. And he, he, he, he is a very he is a very respectful young man. I have I have managed one match in Montana career tire life. That's probably I'll get. And Jacob ri-. It was attacked. He team in. Jacob. Ryan was in and he was super nice to me. But in one of the wrestlers saying, I think is true, and he was speaking to Brad Anderson's, like, you know, Jacob Ryan took that like a man. So that made me think like. So I Don this Vance. Okay. Because all the criticism of Jacob Ryan has been you didn't defend yourself. What if Jacob Ryan was like you know what I heard the guy's kid? I got this coming. I'm going to take. And then I think he got wrapped up. I don't know that he necessarily wanted to press charges, but somebody obviously, the kind of snowballs, who did hall, thanks snowball. It did I think obviously got bigger than anybody thought it was ever going to get right? And part of that has to do with the video. Right. Because we could all watch says five. Time skillset was that's a shirt how I'm working on. I'm working. I am legitimately work to me. Anyone involved in in wrestling. We, we all have to watch that. And on a hundred different levels. There's things we can learn and take away from it. Yeah. My favorite response was Austin Aries, who. Yeah. Who didn't say, I'll pay your way and I'll fight you. Yeah. Brad anderson. I'll pay your whatever fee it. I'll fight you. That's not what he's a no. He said, I'll pay you way. Frank merrill. Yes, you shut up. That's the best you got. You know what I mean come? Oh. He's like the kid hanging around with Scott Farkas. Oh, he's also. Aries manhas. I don't like I don't know any. Anyway, let's not talk about that's funny though, because I don't think anybody picked everybody was like ministry Austin Aries. That's right, man. Not. I'll do away was. Why are you trying to get a fight with somebody else for right? Promoting frank. Oh, yes. So I it's in a bad way, like for non wrestling fans who are seeing this story. It's a bad look at had looked for. It is bad for wrestling. Ultimately it shouldn't happen. Yeah. The good thing, the good thing that came out of this, which, I guess, is a bad thing because you, you have a promotion that has probably gave Jacob Ryan his biggest shot up to this point. And if you read Bruce vicious article there, I thought they were paying more than fair. For his appearances. They made him a champion and now that promotion is no more. So it's gotta be kind of a bittersweet in that the outcry with this guy that need be promoting. And. It's different world man. That stuff used to happen all the time. Yeah. Years ago. Good Lord, I can't tell you how many times I've seen that stuff happen on indie shows. Right. You know. People weren't posting everything online. What would would have even crossed anybody's mind to press charges? God the. Yeah. See I I've talked to a couple of wrestlers, who have said they would have issue working because, like, what if what if what if I miss a spot, which we'll talk about another incident? What if I miss a spa, or what if I really knock your teeth out what if I have an accident? But I really hurt you happen. Are you going to press charges against me? It's a it's a weird all of a sudden got what if that becomes the new get even the right you know, I don't like this guy. So I'm gonna get even with him by getting him to give him a match, and then we'll get hurt at the moon press charges against him. Oh, my dangerous thing for say as they like to say a slippery slope. It is. And. I can't imagine anybody in ninety four pressing charges after something like that. What is if, like let's, let's Spanish this court case, what if he gets there in LA aren't we're taking this to trial? And you have to have witnesses and now you got in the public record. The conversations. And I'm I'm sure there's been other court cases where stuff like this happened, the whole mass transit, but like we don't need any more of that. We don't need more testimony of will this, this is what we laid out and he was gonna do this and. It's a can of worms that we do not need to me. We we can't we were saying that at the house the other night. Because you you posted a video, and you went this opens a can of worms the way you said it, and I was kind of listening to it and crystal heard it. And can we started saying that you're opening a can of worms? So there was another incident and I'm not sure where I don't know if this was in Tennessee or Virginia area, wrestler, named Brian Logan was in a match with the kid and the kid misses spot. And so he he missed his spot kids down. He kicks him. Pretty good couple of times gets him up gives him a straight jab to the face gets him in the corner gives him a couple of chops snap mayor rear chin law. And just as berating him and berating him. They do something else he reaches in his trunks, pulls out, what looks to be brass knuckles and then his kid in the face with a brass knuckles, and they need looks he pulls out the foreign object hits the kid looks at the riff. He's like disqualifying me ref disqualifies him. And then he goes to the back and then the video comes back this wrestler, Brian Logan's coming back to the ring with three referees and guys are coming won't to fight him out in front of everybody. And. For him to like for me. If kid misses a spot we've seen I've seen this in wrestling. I've seen in training Cubans spot. Give them a stiff shot. That's how they learn. You know. Brian Logan, went way over the top sounds like if it was legit. Right. If it was because it sounds to me, just you describing it like maybe two guys so that something blew up, right? And some guys got internet famous over right? Like, hey, what if you now to the other kid the kid to his credit, he hasn't said anything or haven't, I haven't seen him say anything about it? He didn't blow it out of proportion. He just simply walked out he didn't even yell at the guy. He just kind of generally, we just somebody's tell you know better than I now. Did you just see somebody posted a video, and I think this is recent. Or maybe not guys on the outside, and they're talking, maybe this is an older video. And he's talking trash to a female fan, and he spits owner. And there's no barricade and her boyfriend and takes him down and beats a slop at it. Who should be spitting on? No, no, no. And then when they finally get the guy the wrestlers just kind of, like looking at him and the that guy still coming after him in the refs are holding him back. And I'm like, as a relaxed wrestler, right there. I don't know what the right thing to detect the shot and protect things. Or do you realize? Number one that guy just whip my butt number two. I probably went too far and you just let it go. I don't know. I think it's safe to say of the thing L the three situations where people getting beat up. None of those guys would have made it in all Japan in nineteen ninety four. 'cause I, I can guarantee you, right. They were matches that happened in all Japan wrestling, but with STAN Hansen and Vader and. Yeah, Brody and are not Brody but Massawa Bashi any of those guys that we talk about all the time that. Were ten times worse than anything that I've right? Have seen in these shoes. Right. Right. Watch Steve Williams to go Bashi beat the dog slop at each other. The, the other thing about the Jacob Ryan situation, isn't bradtha Anderson, suplexes him all outside, he almost lanes in the front row. And people debate and talk about South Carolina athletics commission all the time. And the pros and cons of it. Sooner or later. At one of these indie shows a fan is going to get seriously injured. I saw oil. We went and saw PWS one time these guys dive in landed in the crowd. And I think, man eventually somebody's gonna follow on somebody's leg. Right. Or something to break somebody's ankle, and this going, that's where the real lawsuits are going. Yeah. And you in for a small company, that's, that's that your company's gone. And so, I feel like. Feel like manages so many layers story, but we just gotta do better. Like to me. Independent wrestling. We've got to do better. We gotta do better way, and who you let into business? I think, yeah, I think in who you let in the business. I think if you do know a guy has. Trouble checkered past with a history of. Anger outbursts in violence in maybe, you know, I don't know. I don't know man, but also on the flip side of that. Maybe we're like, hey, what draws money? Oh, people wanna see larger than life character. People wanna see they don't who somebody said I was reading quote last night. And then they said they don't want to see the kids down the street. No, they don't. And that's what a lot of. Guys getting into it. Now man. I am not interested in that, right? They, you're not gonna hear me say anything bad about Brad Anderson, this podcast. Right. Right. I'm pretty sure he woke me. Yes, yes, but I'm not really worried about Jacob rack. Right. So or white, Mike. Right. And so I, I think to me again. You have. You have a show that received all this attention. But both in a bad way, right? Both of the yeah. Both of the shoot videos if come out we're in front of. Spares crowds. Like spares crowds. Like what does that say about? These no one is drawing. No one is a drawl. But I think. I think you gotta have barricades for the safety of the fans. There's, there's a lot of shows now where there's not even seats, a lot of these bar shows, and people are like literally standing around the rain. And we're just asking for something especially if you don't have any security. Yeah. Somebody's gonna get hurt. Eventually, I heard fans yell in one time of will. So and so got hit on a dive. They should you know, the wrestler is telling them to move and I'm like, wait a minute. Wait a minute. A fan pay thirty dollars for a seat. That's their real estate. That's what you have bought that. Does a wrestler have a right to come over there and tell you get up out of your seat? Cinch point generally, when you see I had a friend of mine went and saw Rawle again. They had a section before it started where they re kind of separate and he said, I knew they were going into Kreil. Yeah. You know, 'cause, and they made sure when they but they, you know, they go out in the crowd sometimes, but they're not you don't see them in fan, you know, they're they're walking brawl through the crowd, but it's very rare that you see them do anything where somebody's when they do big moves. It's an area that's already been cleared off right? Like it resumes here. They literally set up a camera stand just for that one spot with MS and McMahon. Needless to say, which, like impressed that that spot like it impressed me that the MS. Not the shame landed, right? When the MS did he got. He went to another level for me. One hundred percent agree with you. And also, that was always a knock on him that he was. He was real. What's this? I I it's kind of weird that it's an awful and a guy that he protects himself, right? How is it that wrestling? The more wrestling has become performance art. They more injuries were having the more series were injury vote crazy crazy. Maybe it's because people used to know what they were doing and they weren't trying to do. Things that are. I hope you I hope you ever rise watches this video. 'cause I it's just fascinating to watch. I don't know what you do into that bottle over there. I hope it pays you by the hour. Anyway. I don't know what I was gonna say three. Oh, it did. And that's a shoot that. But yeah, it was very. I think I think one thing for me is showed. In one way, it depressed me in one way, I thought, okay, there's opportunity here in one way. Depress me to, to hear all the comments about what happened and be like gala crazy if on both sides, it just by. I hate that it, it just makes wrestled with right. It makes an independent resolute bad. It makes people say, I don't know that I want to take my kids out to see the right you know. You know, and that ultimately is, is, is the bigger issue. I mean the kid did what he feels like he needs to do. That's his business. Yeah. I wouldn't book him now. Right. I wouldn't book him anymore. But. He's got to do what he's gotta do. Yeah. And but I I felt like. I feel like this exposed in a good way that. That there is an opportunity to book. To, you know what if you had a promotion that didn't book your next door neighbor. Because it's clear from what the fan said on the video, we're asking fans to suspend their disbelief and in that case if you just listen to the fans on the video, they are meeting, you guys have have asked us to go too far. Right. Like we'll believe the undertaker has ambi- powers. But we're you're asking us to believe this is gonna be. A match affair match at this guy's got a chance now. I think that shows a way to make money in two ways. Because I think you could book it to where those fans would be like I think he's got a chance. And if you can give fans a glimmer of hope. They'll buy into that, and that sales tickets. I think he's also on the other side you do something or you create a special or fans line. I don't know what this is going to be this is this. I don't know. You know, it's the old Johnny Valentine thing they may not think wrestlers real. They don't think unreal. And which we all say, that's what we won't then when that happens is. Uh-huh. People I think it was only Anderson said it best, you don't know what you want. In that famous. It'll never be over promo. One week you chant this next week. You say you don't know what you want. Oh, the mass though, as we've that is one of my favorite promos ever when they were interviewing somebody walks off. Oh, he's walking, then Africa, who it is the guy goes you go get yours. One day only, and he goes, yeah. But not by you. That's a great line. Yeah. But not by you. Oh man. I need to. I got some videos. I, I think I already showed you those videos of the do during the impersonations. To you. So hey, that's a good segue. Hey, where, you know, it's very rare that we, this is something we both saw, I'll attend a report on the more local stuff, because that's kind of, you know what, what I do I get a lot of shows with the SOS custom wrestling network, which you can go to SOS dot com four nine nine a month. A great deal. Also you go to SOS tease dot com. 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I mean, I'm not even saying in this situation. I'm not saying everything I believe now honest with you. I think we're both holding. I'm holding back a little bit because I mean I don't I don't wanna knock right? I'm local guy, you know. Right. I don't want to get into that. We wish everybody I wished the kid had to press charges. Right. That's the only thing here's the thing. If if Jacob Ryan could sell a million t shirts off of this, if they can get a bunch of bookings grew. Good for him. It's awesome. If you if you're in it be in it to make money. And I like I can criticize how he might get those building bookings or how, but as I'm criticizing him. He's making a deposit at the Bank, maybe who knows. I mean, I'm sure he's his. By count increased by thirty five forty bucks. Who's weak? Probably said in good for him speak in a Bank accounts. It's, it's almost time for. We got a few more episodes, recall, our schedules. A little off today. We got it as as you texted me last night. 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Well it's tremendous. I mean everybody's Eddie's going why will why not it's You know it's given me a chance to have my third career career and be a place where I feel like I'm wanted and see a lot of pleasant faces you know back from WCW WCW days and wwe. Days and guys I worked with that. Were production folks and To see a room full of people smiling being in tickled to death to be there. It was where I should be. If you missed it. Go Out of your way to check it out and don't forget to watch a W dynamite on TNT. If you'd like to see Orange I assume since you're his his coach that pretty much any sort of a match is this you're GonNa be ringside for county right. Yes sir. It's going to be a partnership I'm going to just say I mean cody. He has really really gotten so much better so much more mature in his thought process in his wrestling ability as a businessman. Man and all those things and the company you know that they're building over there Tony Kahn. We're can't thank him and his family enough and all you know all that talent that it just feels like they just came out of nowhere and they're all pulling together and they're all busting their butts and released for the next while when you say out you're going to see me and I think we're GonNa have a very successful relationship. I'm excited to see it. You know the history with Andersen's and the roads goes back a long time uh-huh and maybe an unlikely partnership but one. I was excited to see both of it rooted in old school. And that's what our show is all about here old school. We're going to take you back today today and talk about the TV title. Which I believe the interview is bringing later this month? I've got to pay per view. Coming up I think on the twenty fourth And and lots of folks are going to be checking that out. I will be as well. I'm a big fan of all wrestling in in in the end up. Doing some really cool stuff bring back studio wrestling and one of the things. They're bringing back the television championship. You had to be pretty excited to hear that somebody was bringing the title back right and who better than the NBA. Well Yeah and I'm happy for those guys. You know they're doing well. It's it's all a by product of a new era has begun times are changing and places are popping up with old concepts as well as new new talent new style old thought thought processes far as some of the things that really worked and I think one of the things that really worked as television television title the whole premise. I think is a good idea for featuring what we do and that's wrestle and we should mention the reason we're covering the television title now as we learned just recently. When I was doing Marie search that all four of Orange Television title wins happened in the first week of January? Anyway how about that. It's a little weird I would've never dreamed that in two thousand years. That's one of those things that you just go. Wow I didn't know that and I didn't know that but apparently January was a very good month for me. It's still is I mean you're back on TV on January. First what's going on like I'm I'm going to hang out with you. The first week of January every year for the rest of our lives. Because good stuff happens to you. Then yeah you should be following me around January slip up when one them big lotteries large for some serious money. I'm going to be there to get my tithing ten percent percent to. Hey let's talk a little bit about the the. US title the world tied on the TV. Tidal you know for years and years. CROCK had all three most famously. You know the early days as the horsemen. We would see you know telly with the US title or or Lex with the US title flare with the world the new with the TV talk about how all the television title was supposed to be an execution different from those other belts. Well when the world champion would be on tour I I guess we should address the The US title and this is my understanding When the the champion was not in Carolina's working king for Jim Crockett promotions the? US champion was the number one contender for that title when the champion came to town. And that's the way that worked worked. So that was the top title now. There they television belt or something that was going to be featured on television and it started out with a ten minute time. Limit An F.. The champion did not get beat. He remained. He didn't have to win the match he remained and the television champion and it morphed from ten minutes to twenty minutes now you gotta platform to put some top talent out there and matches you would normally family see for a pretty good prize. The World Television title and same rules if time ran out the twenty minutes and whoever whoever the Challenger was had not won the match here was the little Hook in the champion it was not a drawl was named the winner so all he had to do was just survived the time limit and that made for some pitch up smear and mad scrambling and Some urgency. That last couple three minutes. And that's what made it exciting. Yeah I like the psychology being added of the time limit. I thought that was one of the cool things. That cody Rhodes did. One of his early matches Darby Allen. W are they at a time limit draw and I thought that added sort of a new layer the one we hadn't seen For maybe a little while but it was pretty regular back in the TV title days. And to your point the touring world champion you wouldn't see on TV a lot So as a result these these TV matches your television main events being for the TV. We'll title carried a lot of weight and you learn that firsthand on January fourth nine hundred eighty six. It's a tournament in Greensboro North Carolina. And he would win your first television title that day defeating Wahoo mcdaniel's in the finals or what who mcdaniel rather At the time we should mention you're also half of the interview. A national tag team champions with Oli and the four horsemen are about to get up and running here in a big big way. So you're you're becky to belts before that was the thing man attack champ and champ. That's a hell of a vote of confidence when the promoters to put two belts on the isn't not well I'll tell you what it It was a lot of responsibility and Oli our you know we had some pretty rough opponents at the time and there was a lot of -CCOMPLISH talent and the opportunity to go after that. TV title sounded awesome. Like an awesome opportunity till I figured out why who mcdaniel was the champion Buddy. If it didn't mean anything no one told him because it was today's despite you oversaw trying to get that thing away from him. Talks to me a little bit about why who. I don't know the wrestling fans know enough about why who but to say that. Rick Flair is a big. Who Fan is an understatement? And I bet you feel similar I just respect a man you know before you ever get to the performer. Reformer he was just all man. I mean if you wanted to go fishing wa who would take your fish and they had all the right gear. He hat all the right bait. You had all the right fishing holes. He was if you wanted to go hunting. You know whether it be deer hunting or it was is pheasant hunting or quell hunting or probably bear hunting. Who knows he had all the gear? Why who was a man's man you know there's a legendary Janeiro story that Wa who ran thirty miles on one hundred dollar bet when he was in college? I just got out of college or something. That's ridiculous that's that's more more than a marathon and I would imagine he was probably two hundred and thirty pounds. It's time that's you know plus playing pro football linebacker in Becker for the New York jets. NFL If all those accomplishments were not enough. Wow mcdaniel was a man's man in this business and everybody in that audience believe everything he did because he made you believe and if your his opponent you were in for one hell of a fight and he would push Russia and he would pull the best out of you and when loser draw at the end of the night. You knew you were gonNA fight if you wrestled while McDonald's I you get nothing but Kudos respect from me. Rick has said that the Wa who's drinking was legendary to where he knock out fifth of crown royal like nothing on the rocks. STRAIGHT UP BUDDY Yeah I mean he always. I always saw him with what appeared to be full bottle at the beginning and very rarely was not empty at the end And just on the rocks rocks and that were straight up and man he would get to laugh in and he was so loud and so funny He was just fun to be around of course Chris. You're working with all the top talent during this title reign. Dusty Ron Garvin Manny Fernandez Magnum. Sam Houston docker noodle it all Jimmy Valiant everybody in the territory also in the Crockett Cup and eighty six this time of year with tully. You're going to lose in the second round of fantastic's fix ultimately you wind up losing your television title on September Ninth Nineteen Eighty six in Columbia South Carolina and who better to lose it to after two hundred in forty eight days and the American dream. Dusty Rhodes I it's kind of fun to think about now that you're his sons coach. But he beats you to injure First Television Television title rain. What was it like working with dusty here ninety six well? It was such a huge star and he was so over. He was so charismatic. Just going after my championship elevated me and the fact that he beat me elevated me role role now that ring after wrestling dusty Rhodes for our length of time it was ten fifteen minutes and getting beat right in. The middle was better than beaten eaten twenty-five other guys that were just middle of the road I mean he was the star the top guy he he was the American dream and for him to want that championship. Come after me and take that championship and my mind. It just elevated it'd million it also gave me a fodder for promos and going forward a chance to start plotting on how to get it back so so it gave me all kinds of AMMO. Let's talk about Your next win you win this one from the great mood in Nineteen Ninety so after you lose the television title to dusty and eighty six allot happens. Of course you even leave the company go work for the World Wrestling Federation. Listen but then when you come back very quickly your put against the great mood US January second nineteen ninety here in Gainesville Georgia and ears on the power hour. What's your what's your thinking about the television title here to get it back so quickly you know? Obviously maybe the original plan was you were going to be with. Telly and things are going to look a little differently. And and even though the money may be different. You've got to feel pretty good about being put right back into the title picture getting a win over the Great Muto. Well Yeah I walked back into that angle with buzzsaw. Your Mood Dragon Master. Gary Hart and I was wrestling those those guys. In six months and tags and individually the television champion was Muto. I don't don't fake. Moody was going out every single week and avenue. Twenty minute match. I don't know the history before me actually But I do know that there had been so much water under the bridge in there was so many shenanigans that went on during my separation nation between Crockett and WCW that When I got a chance to wrestle for that? TV title and and Muda of watched it back a couple of times and he gave me a good. He gave me a good match and I think he worked very hard and He did things the right way and I think at the time. Those guys were being used. Well enough I mean anytime you had a match or buzzsaw. You're you're in a bar fight. There's no other way around it. It was You aren't your money that day so beating mood for that title kind of put me back into a prominent position in a position to be on TV every week and let everyone know you can't just assume everyone knows your back from the WWF. Everybody don't watch every week week. Things escape you know Information escapes people. They miss a week or two and God wanted he come back but having that television title title and and being in a feature match every week which I loved on knew what it was gonna do for me long term. I didn't know this far ahead. We would be sitting here having the conversation about it. But it's one of those things that worked and it lasted in. It gave me a chance to. Do you know what I WANNA do. And that's just Russell. Aw Forget the politics and all the B S and all the social climate. I just wanted to wrestle. And that's what it provided me. Let's talk about how the the television title maybe changed from the crocodile era now the WCW era back in eighty six. When you win the belt the first time are you are? Are you getting a bigger payoff. As a result of being television champion are you featured more prominently source placement on the card or the posters. Is there more were expected of you from a promotional aspect or did anything change no it helps your positioning you know and you know back in the day it was where you were position on the car how much you made and there was also those underlying situations of where was a two two weeks ago what were my contributions. Okay now. I'm on third from the last. Let's just say you know. Does the reaction when it does it match how much the house was up week-to-week From a couple of weeks ago. Now you're in the next to last asked match. You're on a TV tally. Your opponent is bigger it was based you know your pal was pretty much based on where you were on the card but sometimes you know you could be a little lower on the card if the plans were for you a lot bigger than the guy that was after you they just prepositioning reasons had had it backwards still made whatever the payoff had in. Mind for where you were going not necessarily where you were on that night but the next night you could have been a last it could have been men dusty somewhere for the television title last Just Stra house were commensurate with basically what their plans had for you. What changes now that you're back with with a WCW is a business as usual or can you tell right away? Well this is a different regime. You know they're definitely going to handle this a little differently or does that affect the title at all. Well I mean you never know who the boss boss was. You know there was booker's coming in Out and they had your committee and all these different things at the very top and and then you have someone come in as the booker and they would be there for a minute and and then they were gone and the executive for Turner would be a name that you didn't know much less affair. She didn't know things were constantly. I changed it. You didn't have the stability of you know Crockett and no in Jim. Crockett was the owner and the Crockett family. Were the owners of the company. The and they were the final word you knew the dusty was booking and if you had an issue you went and talked to dusty. There was no one to go over. No one to go under it was that was the guy you want to talk to to clear the air and those were fairly rare for me. I never had that conversation sation with him because like I said I didn't know you could say no. I didn't know you can have an opinion. That was so far different from what the bucker had that it was completely completely changed. His plans so It was a that stable failing that I had with Crockett n even Vance for that matter for for a short time. You know you kind of knew where you were heading. Things are looking good and it was progressing the the right way and you knew you were going to get to where you wanted to be ultimately which is own top. Well right after this. You're you're working a lot of six bands as with staying and In Oley of course you're part of the horsemen here. You're GonNa have television title defenses against the great mood a buzz Sawyer. Tommy Rich Ricky Morton Junkyard Dog all orndorff and others and then of course famously. You guys turn. He'll kick staying out of the group and you wind up teaming with with Rick and a lot of tag matches against staying in various partners. It's a long title rain. You hold it for nearly the entire year of nineteen ninety before losing it Zemun on December Fourth Nineteen Ninety in Atlanta Georgia. So having one in Gainesville drop it in Atlanta almost a year later During during this time the belt was actually renamed instead of the in W A world television title. It's now the WCW world television title. This rain three hundred and thirty six day a so longer than the first one quite a long ruin. But it's probably a bit of a difference losing the title to dusty versa. Zemun Yo- oh yeah. Oh Yeah I had no problem with putting Tom over Good Looking Guy. You know all the word was they wanted to use them. And they won't elevate him and you know that was my job. Even though I held onto that title those was incredible lengths of time that you just talked about if you go back and watch every one of those matches. The same was pretty much the same. I spent most of that twenty minutes making that guy looked like he was gonNA win any second. And what and when the time ran out you had elevated elevated guy. Even though he didn't win he didn't lose any came so close to winning done well with the right talent and the urgency and the mad scramble to get that pen fall as time has run down it made for an exciting scenario and I think you know Thompson was was better the next day after beating me for the television title then he was the day before and that was my goal and I was fine with that. Well that ruin the Zemun GonNa Start here. Goes a whole thirty four days and you win the title back for the third time on January. Seventh Nineteen ninety-one win again another title change in Georgia this time. It's in Perry Georgia. This one wads appearing on world wide wrestling at the time Thirty Four Day Ryan and then we're just back to usual aren't in the TV title. This is a little unique at the time you guys weren't flip. Flop and belts the way they would generation later Abbas probably served its purpose. He proved that Tom zink was a real player right. Well I tried to and You know I don't know Oh that Tom looked at that title. As much as an asset as maybe it was a burden. It would be easy to do that. You know Gaza didn't like to work long matches and hard matches and all the time if you if the pure wrestling misselling aspect of the business was a kind of where you were centered. If you just wanted to be a big deal in your neighborhood or you wanted to fill Acura big star Kosher on tv all the time you know if you were or you just were in it for the money or the notoriety or whatever. The reason was as if if you weren't Dow and to the purity of wrestling less that was your passion you know guys like Tully Blanchard Steven even regal myself. Gaza just loved the bell to bell stuff. That that's what you live for. I don't know that Tom was one of those guys house. And that's all well and good because it was. It was a hard job in the television champion but man was it rewarding without question. Let's keep going here and talk about This run asking to be quite the wrong one hundred thirty two days on the along the way okay. You're still be working mostly tags six fans usually teaming with Barry Windham you guys were pretty routinely challenging Dune for the world tag team titles but Super Super Bowl one is quite the showdown. It's you and your best friend Bobby. Eaton may nineteenth nineteen ninety-one Saint Petersburg Florida. Arta and Bobby Eaton get singles title. We haven't talked about this but I would assume it would be your great honor to help bobby. Eaton get a singles title because this was a prime spot for bobby especially in. This era was not yes it was and before we get to that we were jumping on dome. Aw quite frankly. What were we thinking answer? We weren't those those guys beat Barry Windham and myself half to death on a nightly basis and there wasn't a whole lot we can do about it. Okay we'RE GONNA head to Bobby Eaton. No one deserved a singles push and all the accolades that you can give him Any any amount of money would not have been commensurate with what bobby was worth and I would say and I I have said on many times bobby was in that top five performers of all time. Now you could take the other four and and and change the order. Bobby could have been number five. He could have been number one who knows he was just that good and he was one of those guys is that loved the work and didn't mind working hard and giving you twenty minutes or thirty minutes or whatever was necessary and I was honored to to lay right there in the middle and him to drop that leg off the top one-two-three I wouldn't have been any happier doing it for anybody that was perceived saved a bigger star in the business. Bobby Eaton and I went out and tore the joint down if I do say so myself because the single-mindedness was was he was trying to make me and I was trying to make him and at the end of the day the Yon- over was the match. And you had a new champion right in the middle no no hocus pocus no. BS Bobby deserved. I wish I could have only done more. It's a big deal because bobby has historically been known. One is a tag wrestler. I know once upon a time back in like eighty one. He won the television title in Georgia Championship Wrestling Territory. Realistically on a big stage. This is his first and only singles title and him being your body and one of your favorite opponents. Probably a really big deal around this same Tom. Tom We should mention that you guys are having bobby dabble in a little singles competition and even wrestles ric flair two out of three falls smashed for the world title on a clash of the champions before whatever reason they never really went with him as a single star do you think it was his lack of a promo the cap him from from doing that. And if so they just put a manager with him or just let let let Corny do it. Because he's enough talker for the locker room right. Oh yeah so if you do the talking that would have been great. There was all. There's always been this stigma of if a guy can't talk up to whoever's expectations are calling the shots at the time but are less less agai is a top flight. Light Promo Guy. It's hard to use them at the very top and it holds a Lotta guys back Performance wise is bobby was not great on the stick bobby was tremendous in the ring and But I it was just a very common almost a rule of thumb. If I couldn't talk you were kind of Pidgin old on how far you could use them up. The card Him Him and Rick I can only imagine was as good as anything. That's ever been on TV. Yeah go out of your way to watch some of these masters. I'm going to recommend. Amen Watch the Super Bowl one match. If you're GonNa Watch one match that we're going to talk about today. Go Out of your way to watch that Bobby Arn Anderson may nineteenth nineteen ninety one and Let's keep moving here I guess we should mention Bobby winds up losing the title to a newcomer. WCW that somebody somewhere has has high hopes for. It's a fellow named Steve Austin. So I guess you could say that worked out You'RE GONNA win your fourth and final television title in Nineteen Ninety Andy. Fives we fast forward. A few years this time he beat Johnny Bat once again in Atlanta and The match would want appearing on the main event. TV show what's your memory of Taking the belt off Johnny Bat well he was getting used pretty well at the time. If I remember correctly they were had. Ah Hopes for him he you know he was a jacked up. Little Richard. You know handsome guy had a lot of charisma you know. He took took the time to really get hisself incredible shape gowers ripped readers. Tanned is gear was credible. Spent a lot of money any on his costume me. I mean he did everything that you should do. Properly to present yourself is the is a package that anyone would want working for their company and you know and the guy worked hard and he was learned in the business he he hadn't been in that long Back you know back in the day you would always say took about four years to get the business and that's working three hundred days a year. You know to get the business down to where you can go out and have a match of anybody you know overcome any adversity or you know. The old cliche was a match broomstick. you know. The guy was was good. He sold good. He had all you know all the things that That you would want and for me. It was a big win I looked at is being big win. I did everything I could do to make him as good as he could possibly. Plus we be and so that I beat the best opponent that I could. You know I think at the time you were probably trying to help him out awesome entering staff but he could help you out back then a little bit with manscaping but these days. You don't need help because support for this show comes from manscaping who is is the best and Mo man's below the bill grooming if in case you've been living under a rock manscaping offers precision engineered tools for your family jewels. It's twenty twenty so you know what that means New Year new me new balls. Listen Up Harry. Bushes are so twenty. 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The course but then you're going to start defending against Alex Wright a house shows and even slam bary ninety five and you actually give him his first loss in. WCW On that show. We also have successful. Defenses against guys like Jim Duggan and of course Dustin Rhodes before finally losing it to the renegade June eighteenth nineteen ninety-five great American Bash. This rain ends at ninety one days. Man It feels like it's just a natural progression backwards here we start with dusty St and then moved to Zemun and Johnny Bat and now renegade talking about working your way down the ladder letter of success my God some of those names dusty Rhodes. What a pleasure you know to to work with all those guys and I feel bad once you get the whole story about renegade and find out you know that the guy was brought in for what purpose and you know with the illusion he was is going to be the ultimate warrior and the promises that he was probably made all the things he was told and then everything caved down on him and he just had had to be himself he was ready for that spot very green? I mean it was really just a cavalcade of of misdirections and stumbles steps. And just a bad idea I think and I never held anything against the guy. We're all at one time you know but everybody can't do this and that's the reality of it and even fewer that can and do it. There's very few that can do it really well. And when you come in with those expectations and it starts out all that's That's ultimate warrior behind that screen and then it's not and it's like okay. Let's let's look at what the guys got. And he's not in a position to impress anybody because he just didn't have enough time in. I don't know if he had aptitude or the right attitude to be in the business because he wasn't there long enough and I was willing to do whatever they wanted to do. My only Hook and the whole thing was I didn't WanNa take fifteen minister do it because it was possible to have Iran everybody out of every seat not only in that arena. Probably in that an entire town cost that was gonNA stink. I knew it was gonNA stink and it was all send on its stock. Yeah it's a shame because ultimately renegades no longer with us and I know he Aken have been happy with the way all of this went down either saw. I saw an almost an unwinnable position but the rumor Innuendo at the time is Steve. Austin had just flat refused put renegade over. You remember hearing that never heard that. And that was you know conversations that usually were kept on the Q.. Talk to me a little bit about and I've never Thought about this before I guess but the guy behind the character renegade aide. Did you ever have any conversations with him. I mean how was he received in the locker room. I mean we. We've talked a lot about how it was. Maybe not the best wrestler in the world but pretty nice guy I mean. Did you have any any sort of dealings with them in real life of course. We're we're talking about Richard Wilson. The Guy Behind the character. I don't remember numbers guy being a bad guy or anything or or having a lot of attitude I just when I tried to talk to them and and you know we're talking wrassling talk and stuff that we just take for granted Adjust remember very very vividly a him having this look you know of the deer in the headlights heated. No more no what I just said and the man in a Moan and I was trying to break it down and let them know what a felt. We could do what we shouldn't do. And all these things and he just had this blank stare on Thomas face and I could just tell it's you could drop me off on the steps of Ibn. Who say aren't there waiting on your go? Run the company while I walk in the the front door just fine. I could probably sit down and greet everybody and make everybody think well this guy's confident he must know what he's doing you know but the reality is I couldn't no more even stay in that room thirty minutes before somebody which sniffing out and run me out because I've just not qualified to do that. It didn't take long for me to figure out he just wasn't qualified. And it's back to that you know guys that train and go through camps and wrestle around and and you know for sometimes months sometimes years and they never you know the Denver for says they never get their allowed a lot of opportunities to get it and they just don't because it's a very complex business and it's one to do well if almost got to be it's almost like God given ability 'cause there's so many things that go into being a top shell performer There's just very few people can do it. And I just don't think he was cut out for the business. Well we're kind of out to put a t shirt on good orange shirts dot com if you haven't already or we're adding a new one. That's not out yet but by the time this airs. I'm sure we'll be you'RE GONNA love it at says forget cheese Hashtag add bacon. I'll bet your cuss on that one. Yeah you don't all over Mwana Burger. GimMe I got I got to stand up for kidney. I got a lot of shit about that on social media. 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Leave us a five star review if you haven't already let's get back to the show the television title. You are officially The person who's held at longer than anyone else in history eight hundred seventy seven days when you combine all four reins ironically second-place is tully Blanchard with three rain six hundred eighty five days. I guess that's the reason that you've always felt like this was sort of your world title belt. You're most closely associated with right absolutely absolutely and let me tell you just here in those numbers and not knowing that was that way. I've never been prouder. I looked at that as my world championship. There was never a thought that went through. My head was why. Why am I not the world champion? It's pretty obvious. I'm not a guy they can market you know not about a guy. I don't have the charisma of a Lotta guys I am the blue collar got and that's the Blue Collar Championship world television title and I took a lot of prod every single day waking up packing my bag egg and lay on that television todd on the very top of that bag and carrying it with me through airports two different towns to every everything imaginable walking through that curtain without around my waist. I was never prouder and hope it's a legacy that people deeper will through time. We'll look at as being positive. And maybe their goal Israel Beta follow suit which is whether the time limits ten minutes or twenty minutes or thirty minutes. It's make everyone that's in that audience. Think they're fixing to see something special which is a title change. And that's that's the job at the television Asian champion and that's one that I thoroughly enjoyed. It is a special title. We even have a Orrin. TV title shirt available. ORANGE SHIRTS DOT com. Let's get in the weeds for a minute though but before we do I want to talk about what he said there when he said. It's pretty obvious you weren't or why you weren't the world champion champion and I guess in a conventional sense when you think about maybe the year nineteen ninety and how you know. One company champion sting and the other companies makes championship is the ultimate warrior. So we've got you know crazy hairstyles and crazy face painting neon colors and over the top personalities As far as character. Maybe I could get behind what you're saying but when you go back and you look at the start of your career. How Oh how was early? Aren't Anderson any different from Harley race or Dory faulk or some of the other. NWEA world champions at the time. I mean you fit in like peas and carrots. It's with those guys as the interview will shape you well. That's a tremendous honor to even throw my way to be in the same sentence with the Fox Harley race or any of those guys and maybe if I would have been born ten years earlier and could have been in that mix. I know I would have been honored. I would have been thrilled God can learn from those guys because that kind of Stahl that that grinded out and go twenty and thirty thirty and forty minutes and sometimes an hour and keep the audience on the edge of their seats. You know. That's my kind of stuff like I said before. I've never thrown a drop kick. I don't do anything off. The top Damn Sherry jumping off the top to the floor which is you know was starting to happen happen during Myra and we see where the businesses went? Now it's like a bunch of world-class gymnasts out there. Some of the stuff these kids can do male and female But you know what could have been might have been. I just know in the nineties. You know cosmetics. You had to have that cartoon character look bigger than lifelock. You're just walked out of a you know a television Asian show that wrestling show something and I'll super shop via comic book. Yes Safa or any of that that you know just something that you look at them and they don't look like a human being walking around they look like Safa character you know. That's that's what the deal was and that's what it called four and that would me. Well you know. I'm just fascinated by that because we've even talked about telling Shivani podcasts. You know if if you were a little older to your point if you were ten years older would you have been in the flare spot because you were very much in the same vein you know. What traditional interview world champion than flair comes around has a totally different presentation? You know from a gala Harley race the ric flair the pomp and circumstance the fancy robes jobs the the stick on the microphone with the suits and the blah blah blah. It was a different deal compared to the Jack. Briscoes the door Fox and the Harley races I feel like you would just fit right right in there. And it's a little weird that you are so self deprecating about your career and I get that that's part of the reason that people love the show here is they feel feel like you're just Open honest regular dude. But you've got to wonder sometimes like hey what if because in a different no oh changes circumstance. Just a little bit main. I think people would be talking about you. The way they talk about in our ric flair. Jack Brisco or or Terry Fox. Because here's the deal people who really pay attention to wrestling. Do they. Put you and Ricky Morton and Bobby Eaton and Ricky steamboat in that same boat. I just wonder you know if in a weird way as you never bumped into ric flair. You think life looks a little differently no because I think ric flair was born to be Rick Flair. He was destined to do exactly what he did for the business us the entire time. He's been in the business. That was his destiny. Then I get a rub off of that relationship absolutely absolutely one hundred percent but I go back and I'm thinking you know and it's funny. I think I am for whatever reason this is. I think I'm more popular now with wrestling fans than when I wrestled and I don't know if through the network and Youtube and all these things they go back and they watch these matches but they watch them with the different odd and they want to win. Maybe there were eight years old or fifteen years older seventeen years old twenty one years old now. They're forty year old man of forty five. And I know when I go to these different signings than I have. These guys come in with their dad had their forty. They got their dad with them. That's sixty five. And they got their son. This were them that six years old and they walk up and they're kind of all standing standing one in front of the other in front of the other and they're looking at me and the six year old throws up the four fingers have no idea what rush that is. How does how does a six year old though while the answer has he's been watching youtube and he's been watching the network and something that that we did from that era be included grabbed him or he would have just moved on and then the dad's starts telling me the story about being his sage when his dad took him to the matches? And you've got the best thing that we could ever do or hope for in this business as a performer on an entertainer and a wrestler and all those things for them to say and I hear a lot almost exact quote. You're a big part of my childhood. Thank you that's all the reward I'll ever need because that's real and I believe him and I look in their eyes and and and a thirty five year old guy that brings his dad who's fifty five and he says. I just want you to know what you meant to my dad. He's a little bit shy and he he won't tell you but did you hug the dad. And he's screaming. That to me was better than being the world champion it was better than making millions and millions ends in tens of millions of dollars. Amazing you did something permanent something lasting and something that mattered. Oh you did what you set out to do. And that's going entertain our audience to a level that not only do they remember you. They feel feel more in tune with you now than they even did back in the day. And that's that's the only way I can put it because that's who I was. I don't think you're GONNA have pat up in back in the day and been wrestling Dory junior terry talk or dory fog or Jack Brisco I. I don't think you're GONNA have women buying tickets to see that that match up you're going to see a bunch of hard ask guys isn't and real men that WANNA see a hell of a fight and that's what you would have got that didn't necessarily sell out arenas so I don't know if I could of ever ever carried the world title. Al Always be speculation. It's nice to be thought of EH including you. Conrad put in the same sentence for those names. James I just think I you know I have my spot in history and I'm I'm fine with that. Let me ask hypothetically. We've talked about this before one of the reasons that you want to get off the road with the WWF. Back in ninety nine. Is the crazy travel schedule. Had you been the NWEA champion in the early eighties. That's back back in the The the final days of the touring champ with all the different territories ultimately lead Jack Brisco to say hey Enough of this. I'm done and do you think that would have been a lifestyle for you or would you have preferred not to out of probably went till I dropped because because there's no failing I've said it before and it's money can't buy a movie cameras can't give it to people around you saying it to you. A lot of people can can and dump a bunch of positive stuff on you about about. What a big star Yar? Hey I love wrestling Outta. There is no second place for going through that curtain having a game aim plan. Taking your maestro stick out and move in that audience every way that you wanNA move them Ron on command have have a finish to the story and come back through that carton knowing you're exhausted and you have exhausted the audience in a good way and that's the reward and that's the thing that I wished I could still do even at my age. I if I could have a match and not disappoint everybody the own not only this planet but every other planet that's out there God what a win give just to have one more good thirty minute. Match approach cost. That's why I was in it. Let's let's talk about the actual championships for a minute. There's lots of different versions of the television title Jim Crockett and the NWEA had originally The one that I think people think as synonymous with you is the red red leather with the black backing the five plate title and then there would replace that with a a black version read backing so just in versing the leather and then they would replace it with the one that most people probably think about Steven Regal with When the WCW era and then finally these squiggly line built that renegade had ultimately? Jim duggan found that a trash. Can I think on Nitro of those four designs. What I'll be right in saying your favorite the one that you think about when you think of that title is the red? When the original some reason I felt like that was mon- Mont Don't ask me why you would be correct. Were on the side of wavelength. We took the twitter and said hey if you have a question about orange television title ruins far off question right here. Using Hashtag ask Oran- you can be part of this process next week we're GONNA go back to Q.. Q. And A.. Go ask you a question at the aren't show and try to use HASHTAG. Ask aren't we'll look for your question next week we'll go now to Jay A stovall. This is an interesting question. What was worse working the Tower of doom match at uncensored ninety-six or losing the title to renegade ninety five Uh Well my friend let me put to you this way. I am scared of Heights. I am slew. Footed is is any penguin on the planet which means I'm not very sure footed. Climbing clamming to the top of the Tower of doom was one of the most frightening things. That's ever happened to me or that I've ever dreamed or imagined it. Kate each scratched the surface from rolling out of that rain after wrestling the renegade Doug wants to know other than Orne who does consider the greatest TV champ of all time. We've we've all sort of agreed that this belt probably most synonymous with you but you remember thinking there was another great television isn't champion. Totally could see. Telly was tremendous. Steve Regal was tremendous all same mindset and sat. You gotta you gotTa you know you gotTa look at those three guys. I think what those guys enjoy doing more than anything. If you ask Steve Regal performing just this going out and just tearing it up and when there's a prize like the TV title it just makes it even more fun. It's so it's interesting to think about everybody who's held that one I for some reason I sort of think of the WCW television title differently than I do the WEF. But when I think of the W. A. I certainly think of you and and sting and Mujtaba and Tully I want to think about the WCW. When I think more probably of guys like like Steve Regal Than anybody else and maybe even you know guys like Booker. T. Because Booker T.. Had you know a hell of a ride in the late nineties it up. You know there's things that I can't remember. You know right now that like you said. I'm sure Booker T.. Was a great television champion jammed. Because again he was together like to perform. You know he'd like to go get it. There were guys and I'm sure that they wanted to put that title on and did put it on with the idea that it would elevate them in. They looked at it as a burden. There are those guys because you know lot of times you didn't fill out wrestling twenty minutes. You know no and that thing actually it and I don't remember what point in time but actually went from twenty minutes to thirty minutes on a given angle where the Guy Guy couldn't be in twenty minutes and next week he couldn't beach in twenty minutes and it got extended to thirty minutes or Shirley. I can beat this gone. You know in thirty minutes and Uh You know you had a whole building angle right there. That was just a snowball rolling. Down the hill that didn't take any brilliance to come up with or Book Walker. All you do is write it down and it was took care of itself. Follow up about the booker. T. thing those are great series of matches Actually Sharon Shabazz wrote. This one in was aren't the agent for the bete-noire Booker T.. Best of seven series. I think that went down in ninety eight and They made the television title Matt Alert Matter Again. Perhaps for the last time in Nineteen Ninety eight great question where you the agent for those I'm not you know back in those days. The talent took care of their matches. You know how might have amount of been there in some capacity as as far as giving them specifics. here's how much time you're swinging your own. Here's where we are in the standings but those guys kept up with that because it was a big deal to them. I remember very clearly. Both guys were enjoying themselves over enjoying working with each other there were able to bring the best out in each other and That were tearing joint down every night and those seven matches. I never got tired of seeing anyone match. That's for sure. They diversified it up up and made it different made it fun to watch made it interesting and made for a lot of drama interesting question here that I've never really thought about out before Joe Hot writes in the airlines. Ever Give You A. We lost your luggage scare when you travel with the title. No wasn't a scare. They've lost a couple of times And all you can do. Because here's my experience with it through seeing the other guys and thank God for me. It was only like three times. They lost my bags. One time I got it back to times I did not so when it didn't show up because we were going move into a different town every night in those days. So if your bag wasn't gonNA show up you would say well. Listen I gotta leave denied because I got a three hundred mile job. I'm going to be so and so here's what I'm going on a bay. Oh no problem when he gets here. We'll just forward it to where you are. Were you spent the rest of that loop that bag. They said trying to play catch up. You never did get that bag and they only I learned after the first situation day to. Hey you go the mall and you just buy everything the thing you need all over again for however many days you're out because you ain't getting bag that was my experience one time I got it back on like the fifth day and they have no explanation. Why it took so long? And what are you GONNA do. It's it's their sandbox. You're just playing. You know they hold all the cards charge. You gotta fly some some shots. You can't drive them. You know it's hard to drive two thousand miles so yea and it's horrifying not having any workout stuff. No change of clothes. No you know toiletry bag any of that stuff. That's why guys never checked the championships. You always carried it on because you lose that. Now you are in a mess Real quick question here from Dave if Pearson Orne get more proud of being attacked champion or TV champion think another answer both also think. Let me put it to you this. What did you think it was going to say? Both I didn't think you were going to pick one. God You are smart. I'm I'm just saying you like the classiest dude. That's ever done a podcast here. There's no way you're going to say oh I liked when I was the champ. Fuck Mom tag is but you also don't WanNA disrespect the bill. We've just done a whole show on so so if that aren't Anderson style to Pick up there. You don't want scary though. Is this true because I love tag matches. We've said before a one on record saying with the right champions the right heel tag champions and two good. They don't have to be partners to really hot baby faces that for the story is for that night. They're going to combine forces and probably probably it would be very easy for either one of them to beat either one of the heels but as a team the heels are the better team. And you let that play out over about thirty or forty minutes and the fact that they are partners and they just look at each other know what the other one is thinking. And that's the the difference of being able to get out of there with the titles and the skin of their teeth. That's the story and that's where the heat is. Nothing on. The card can follow that not even a world title match in my humble opinion and man is it fun to be part of it one last question here King of tech deals wants to know. Do you know if the wwe ever considered having television championship you were there in the bank for a Lotta years that never come up no cuss. It would have been considered them doing it as a copycat of of some other company Albany which they always wanted to come across as being the leader in everything I think they would have looked down on that the television title. Aw Well we hope you. Don't look down on this episode next week. We'll be back with HASHTAG. Ask Aren't anything if you WANNA ask your question and get your name on the show here. Just follow us is on twitter at the orange show and stay tuned on the twenty-first. We'll be back as you with royal rumble. Two Thousand Fifteen on the twenty eighth another Q.. And A. Episode Hashtag. Ask Aren't aren't anything and we'll run through February while we're at super bowl to coming your way February fourth another human on the Eleventh Elimination Chamber two two thousand eighteen s coming away a February seventeenth and then on February twenty fourth. Hashtag ask aren't anything again. Lots of fun stuff on TAP. If you haven't already hit the subscribe button. 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#239:  Looking at the 2018 PWI 500 Top 5

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#239: Looking at the 2018 PWI 500 Top 5

"Yellow again, this and later also with championship wrestling when another big week joyless right now. Hey, welcome to the double drop kick show. I am heath candidate. I am and we're live here in our patrons group. Good to see everybody, although we can't see you because the phone is a little bit away. Mark is. Haven't known Mark on Instagram now. I can't stop now. The who are you following the tasteless gentleman's gentleman? Yeah, it's not appropriate for work. I don't know. It's very, depending on where you work your work, perfectly fine from our long as you agree that I work. That's all matters. They pay. You have you have a job. So if you've been listening the last couple of weeks, we have been going through the PWI PWI. Five hundred has just come out or came out in September. I don't know when you're listening to this and we're going through the top ten, not to dot to really rehash things, but I am calling out the names and Mark is giving us a performer from the seventies and eighties nineties at this person compares to and he is giving us an idea for refused and expounding on that. So the patrons today are getting to watch. Yeah, numbers what? Four through one? Yeah, we're going to be doing four through one, so they and they're watching this live in our patrons only Facebook group which you can join for a dollar a month, patriarch dot com. Slash double dropkick. So they're seeing this. But if I taught real quiet, they won't be able to hear. But that's why I'm talking louder just be going, what's no doubt. We can't. That's what killed Dennis day contempt for the audience. You gotta talk aloud baby. It's anyway, who's watching this Mr. ward now. Awesome. John, good, see, man. Hey, so they're getting to watch this a about a month before it comes out. We've got probably four or five episodes in the can that'll be coming out finish. Listen to me, spit. They get to see it. Yeah, they know it's not sound effects and camera tricks and someone has called my phone as we're recording this and that has cut off the recording. Patrons group. And we're back. So speaking of our, you know, our some of our lighter latest episodes, the second annual autumn, it fancy wrestling tournament, and this is a good place to start because number four in the PWI five hundred Mr. Whitman rock listener. Who is somebody you would compare Brock listener too. It says a lot about Brock listener, the many people. You can compare him to one of those guys that you could have dropped hand. Any generation man any generate it may the hacking Smith air, I mean, yeah, and he could have competed man. So. It's the strangler. Really? Yeah, because he, I don't know that these anybody in WWE that would've took that title off of him if he didn't want him to. Right, right. Matter of fact, I would go so far to say is there's not anybody. Yeah, WW could've taken that title off of him. He lost it because he wanted to. Yeah, which is wooded. Lewis would do, right? Yeah, he lost it when it made good business sense. Yes. So yeah, so Brock, Leser Ed, strangler Lewis can't. Can you. So are you going at Lewis because there's really no modern, he I don't think there's anybody in wrestling today, this this man and like, I think you know, you talk about the the accomplished, amateurs, Jack Brisco Kurt angle, but they still don't compare to Brock listener as far as size and strength. He's a, he's a, I'm convinced them by shaved, grizzly bear told him to wrestle man. Yeah, he's. He's all man. Yeah. And he listened. There are so many fans don't like right, and the fans don't like him because he's not some because he only does one move. Would you be? That's all you need. So you need all you need to German suplex and a f- I like that to me is what endeared him to me. Yeah. Yeah, me too. I like rock listener because. Oh yes, these believable, yes. He's the only like even now when they do something on script that seems they're like, oh, he went off script. That's right. They changed the finish in the middle of the match. He's scared, he's dangerous. He's reckless. He's going to hurt somebody. You're people are mad about Brockton lesson or hurt somebody. You're fine with twelve year old. Getting choke slammed. This is the world we live. This is real. That's wrestling fans right there. So who would you have brought listener feud with? Johnny Valentine, son of a motherless goat, and they would just late in just chop each other. See, that's see. I was thinking mind like this, the pure white meat underdog baby face, but the Valentine. See, I'd have him feud with. Like Ricky Morton like the consummate underdog right. But Johnny van. That's that's. And that's good. I think that's what makes us a good team is I am the underdog. And your Johnny Valentine. People may not think we're real, but they'll know that you're real so broad listener. That's right. Ed strangler Lewis are. I wondered. Is things on YouTube, like are there any there may be a few little clips. I mean, but there's not much. I would love to read a book on him and just see what's out Liu says called Hooker. Yeah. Yeah, that's hard to find about some of those guys. Yeah, I think so. You can get it on Amazon, right kindle, maybe check that out. Okay. All right. Our next one number three on the PWI five hundred this year. This man was number one last year because Zucca Cada who would you compare him to. He's another one. That's kind of tough man to think. I'm trying to think of somebody. A lot of people. My. Go, say down in Dallas page. But DP. Yeah, I'm trying to think of like what he does because he's really just wrestler. I mean, there's nothing right? He just is really good. Yeah, he here. He is become more of a character since losing the title, but yet just just a phenomenal who somebody wrestler, that's just was always a good up. Very one. Yeah, you know, I mean Mr.. Good, solid wrestler, always going to have a good match, not going to be bad. Good looking kid has the ability to be a main event. Yeah, but can also works well in a tag team? Yeah, can kind of play any role? Very one. And that's who I would have face because I think that'd be a good. Oh, my goodness. That would be phenomenal. That would be gist. Dude, man, you. You've really you're out doing yourself today, surprises you. Well, it's just like I try to. I can't decide if you're at your best when you have so much time to prepare. And then I would get over prepared or on days like this when I say, hey, this what we're gonna do, you're like, all right, sounds great. You know what I mean? But I think what I was trying to do today in this episode is. You know, just kind of bridge that gap between the modern stuff and then the older stuff, so Okada compared to bury win. So what you do, you have them feud and then you team them up. Oh, my goodness, man with acting. What could you call? I mean, you got the whole. L. Vince would have a field day with that the the Japanese, you know, he did Japan, America connection or something strikeforce do. So, yeah, Konomi. And he's just he's had a great stretcher. Drake stretch matches. I somebody was talking about this today. At one point in TNA. They got AJ styles, but they also got Nick out is the young books and Okada like they had some odor and Samoa Joe anchor, hang like they had. But I think part of the reason I think part of the reason that those guys got to wear they were was because of their negative experience in TNA that almost kind of propelled them to to some of them to where they are now. All right. Here we go. Number two in the. Five hundred. And that is Mr. j styles who somebody you compare AJ styles to from the Cindy's eighties nineties. Brian pill. You know, same says. Vastly different. Characters game. Yeah. Yeah. I mean. Was that. Or something. I heard it come out what was that somebody's trying to get out. Brown pill, like, you know, real. Hey, oh. Not at home. You have Bill. Pulse of restaurant. Okay. Belarus service. I'm already know you. How are you? Good. Got it right over here. And you got anything extra. Hire about. Okay. Let me have flounder with brains of slow and the. The. This is a pastor's Rollie my home and I'm over the church, fixed the lanes. Yeah. Listen to what one morning. The the basis of arise with co, slow and then put. In some t to thirsty. Okay. Guys. Now. Eighteen forty three eight hundred. So I don't. Eighty three. If you really wanna live, if you really wanna make him happy, then take him another new. That's right. Style. I wish I had that. I wish that long. They Beck insight way. Right, right. Happens with things. The that's fun. Of course answer is this. Have applied the end of Senka restaurants, they'll prompts near than they, they're probably about forty forty, five minutes depending on how can give that. But. He probably didn't answer. All right. We'll see must meet you. Escape. So have you got. Sorry, got interrupted. Kinda hope it will. Weird, kill it in a business. Well, it was something else man. I didn't happen. I'm on eighty to quit with giving you own. All right. So, hey, we're back. Styles. How did you compare him to Brian Brian? Yeah, I was about to say both able to wrestle to do hard hit. But also the the springboard half-lives stuff. Very good. Yeah, that's great. Man. Who would you have him Cogan. Great Muthu hall. I was like that picture you showed me, oh. Dude, man, AJ sows. I wonder if that matches ever happened. I mean, obviously not with mood and he's his MS mood. Yeah. Book that I just have fly Magid mood way. Tell you Luda in AJ styles like two guys like no holes in their game, like very few. Very few mistakes, like the more the more than I watch independent wrestling. And see guys miss the spring board and miss stuff like that. The more you, it ain't as easy as right, and you say somebody like I style to I, I. We see. But you see AJ styles just just flawless man, almost. I mean, you say this about Bobby Ricky, like almost too good. At, I think, you know, AJ styles because he's so good. I think he's one. I think you could put him in any even even being a little bit smaller. He's still could have been a hand he would be. He wouldn't be like a top top. No, right. I don't think twenty five thirty years, but I think he'd do. He would be in that Brown Bill by he would be somebody that Lawler Jarrett would put. What did he put him in acting somebody? Yeah. Yeah, they'd be good. Good tag. I- styles main tale. There's you tag team for. He got. That would be good. He let Dutch do all the talking and let all the wrestling. And then she baby becomes in and shave shave that she's back that could have been a match. Oh, shave you back. Shears out on it. All right. Now we're number one and. I like say by the time, this episode is out everybody. Everybody probably are in knows last year. This gentleman was ranked number five. He, you know, it was interesting to see because I was looking. In two thousand eight. Kenny omega was number four hundred twenty two. So four. So just for kind of give you an idea. Okay. Of what kind of person is it for twenty two because I believe right at four, twenty two I want to say is a guy from right around that area's a guy from around here. Four twenty one this year is cheeseburger from ring of honor. So you're twenty two Montasser forward. I wasn't sure who. I'll white their piece part of the street profits in inex-. I didn't like Jake manning from PWA. He's number four fifteen number five hundred number five hundred. Is puff never heard of popular popular western New York rookie scored a convincing win over Joey Ryan. Gene also had a win over RJ city and bought a on Tero debuted for smash wrestling this year. Impressive agility for big main signature moves include the bonds. I dropped at till twirl, flap, Jack, and a big splash off the second rope. And he is five, ten, three hundred eight pounds. He's considered a big may. What you said. Three hundred eighty eight. Yes. Picture hookah. His last night Millikin. And he he's been wrestling a year. Trying to see if there's any of these names are Darius Lockhart from the air. Yet he's four eighty two, but I say all that to say who would have thought ten years ago, Kenny omega four, twenty two an afterthought in two thousand eighteen. He's number one. The PWI five hundred. So Mark my question to you is, who do you pet compare? Kenny omega, too. Very, very good question. Is it really, really good wrestler. He has some incredible matches would right people right. The tag team match him and I blew she had with the young bucks. Really good mad. And one thing I think Okada has done. And again, it's been he to me, he's, he tells a good story in the rain. I think you know, it's not just he's in there doing moves, but there's a. It makes sense. I don't know if I'm making sense, but anyway. But who would you compare him to. Cannot. Who I'd put him again. Okay. Well, let's start with that. Who would you put him against? Jake really. What makes you say that? Because I. You know his, his style is very fast paced. Yeah, how flying hitting hitting those big moves, but you're right. There is some psychology behind, right? So I would love to see what I Jake Roberts. What kind of match? Jake Robertson is. Yeah, could have with him where he would say, let's do this, you know, because he's probably not going to be able to hit all those. Yeah, big half lime, right. It's probably not going to do that guy's tall and lanky is Jake Ryan. So how does Jake work around that when you take guy that that really does combine the current level of physicality athleticism? Yes, guys have a lot of people don't have. To to then add the fact that when you do watch his matches, there is. The storytelling element. Yeah, he's good in those matches. How would somebody like Jake Roberts work with him and slow him down? Right? Because Jake styles just the opposite ground-based hidden. Take a lot of bumps and go off his feet a whole lot, and he's very slow. Yeah, works really slow. I'd be interested to see how I think they'd have good, Matt, we really good or really by and you have the good. Promos? Yes. And. And I think of mega cats are pretty good promo for what it like most of his promos are very much. Just kind of like to me, his promos are like this one thing about new Japan. Japan is the after match promos for the most part are like. Are like a regular sporting event like you got you catch the guy in the locker room, hey house, you mash, well, you know, just won't the fans in man. He we gave it our all, and and opponent. He was a tough opponent and I love their post-match the press conference. I'm trying to convince. I'm trying to do that with local permission. The ones use Robertson cut. With the g. one special when he won the US title was just. It wasn't even a promo guy talking, but it was great man. All right. Who would you who would you compare? What could you compare? Could you compare him. It's hard to kind of fit. Into a box because he's he's, he's a good technical wrestler. He's excellent striker and he's got the high flying, and there's very few guys fit into all three of those at once which is why number one on this. That's right. That's right. And maybe the fact that you can't come up with anybody to compare them to a good thing. Who do you compare Rick flair to? Yeah, who's the other Rick flair who's the other stone coast evolved? Right. Who's the other hulk HOGAN? Right. You know, who's the other Bret Hart? Yeah. Who's the other show Mike? Yeah, that's what makes top guys out guys who's the other John scene, right. You know. That's what makes top guys top guys. There is something about them that you can't compare with. You can draw a little connection with the guy from the past, but you can't really say he's just like this guy, right? He really reminds me and he does a lot of things the way this guy. Yeah, does it maybe that's why he's number one on that list because it is so hard to tell you. Yeah. Like even when I when I was thinking about this last I I was going through the list. I'm like, I was interested to hear who you would compare him to. And I, I agree with everything. You just said maybe there's a little bit of current heading there. Right? I think Mr.. Perfect. There's a little bit of recruit there. Those are the two names that come up with right off the top of my head. Obviously the gimmicks. Nothing like, right, right. But that. Pound for piled. Yeah. Yeah. Did you hear what the recruit? Yeah. Yeah. But Mr.. Perfect. Mr.. Perfect. Because they're in a whole lot of holes in right is game. So that's who I would go. But to me, this isn't about you. You're not making the decision. You ask me what. Now, that's right to me. Part of the problem that makes it difficult to compare. A lot of these guys is striking in wrestling is so different than it was things so different. Guys are so much more athletic. All right. And that's that's an every sport, right. I mean, that's just the way it is. Man. That's across the board. These guys played football in the seventies. How well with some of them right transition today. When these guys are four hundred pounds course, you know, some of those guys played back in the seventies. They had a different mentality about meanness. Yeah, somebody's new guys might. Right, right. Dick Butkus like you put him in any air. He go run somebody over. Yeah, I mean football player. Right? Right. But some I like Lawrence Taylor. Who back then was so much faster than everybody. How does he translate today's gain? We're now the your offense. Lineman are four hundred, four hundred pounds of peace. Your offense of live and are more agile and. And the scouting is so. You know, the scouting is so different and things. So, yeah, Kenny omega, in. Mr.. Perfect. I'll I, it I, I, I, I don't lie thought that don't like it. Can we have a match where we don't trade four arms? I can. We have a match in Japan where they don't trade for arms and they don't try the forearm outside the ring, the count in nineteen and then booked up back in the ring. Yes, thank you. We have. We have to have. I. I. Yeah, I think. When when you do that in one match on a car. But when every match. Yeah, hard. And then a lot of times I see it a lot when we go to Indy shows you see that a lot too. Yeah, because they're watching the that's was works injured by right, what everybody's doing. Everybody stands there and there was that match type for a long time that Japan started where you hit big, move after big move after big move. Right. And then that become what everybody. Right. And then we re we reached a point where we start hitting big moves and instead of going to the finish from that, they stood in the ring beat each other up. Yeah, and got a huge pop, and then it became you do those two things, and then you add both guys trying to hit their finish for fifteen minutes instead of hitting big move after big move there trying to hit their finish, your opponents, countering it. Yeah. So that's the thing. Oh, it's all comes from Japan. Yeah, the the wrestling from the past, you know, twenty years has all been kind of following how Japan did things. Those are the. Those are the three steps that have kind of happened in wrestling. And this is two years to see where it goes. I mean, it's two years rather than. GP world champion has been number one in the five hundred. And yeah, I think that's I. Yeah, I agree. You know what's what's next. You know what's kinda nixed for wrestling what you know, Ken guys. I don't know that you can get. I think in the nineties. Nineties was so like hard core and the tables, stuff like that. And so much that has kind of faded away. Athleticism is just through the roof like everybody for the most part is. Athletic because we've talked about there's a lot of the nila in wrestling, everybody's kind of the same size in the same speed and that kind of thing. I am very interested to see. You know, we're kind kinda wrestling goes from here and you know you either got to adapt or close. Yeah. Or you become visit man, and you just use the same. You just get a new crop of people and plug them into your formula goes. You keep on truckin. Keep on truckin. And cap money, capped at green man. That's what we're doing. Count them. Counting them pennies counting him pennies. So. Let's go. Let's just for less who's number one hundred here? Let's just say. Mark briscoe. He's number one hundred. Number ninety seven last year. So he didn't nicely. He's slipping. He's slipping whose number twenty five. Number twenty five Austin Aries. Okay. We did our. You've heard the top ten over the last couple of episodes number eleven. Nakimora twelve. We'll Osprey thirteen Almaz Andre I can't. I don't have processes for fourteen ginger Mahal. Fifteen dolphin castle. Sixteen fin Ballard seventeen. Kevin. Owens eighteen Randy Orton nineteen. Minore Suzuki. Twenty John CENA Twenty-one Adam. Cole twenty two Bobby rude. Twenty-three Samoa Joe say they're going to give the new Japan guys. The love at the start is going to be out to twenty four sabre gene or twenty five Austin Aries twenty six saying. Takahashi number twenty seven and cetera number twenty eight. Oh, qudos him, and he was Cedric. Would never to six last year. So the biggest jump at holiest that's that would be a good. You should do the research on that? I should because I care you do. Yes, editor gals. Kudos of that guy, man did did things the right way was always nice to people and was actually good at wrestling. Yes. I will never forget and locker room with him and somebody who thinks they should be in WWE. Yeah, making fun of him for spending money to go to a seminar where he was being observed by rip Rogers, Jerry Briscoe dot, Tom, Prichard. Lance storm. Yeah. Eighty win because ridiculous. Why did you go? Why would you even? Why would you? Why would you pay to do that? So stupid saying that too. Yeah. And say girlfriend wanted to do it. And now his girlfriend or his wife was in the may young classic and this other guy area NRA. Okay. And this other guy. Whatever. Yeah, he will never be. He might get beat up or. 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Banned! The Wrestlemania Preview WWE Does NOT Want You To Hear!

Talk Is Jericho

1:29:10 hr | 1 year ago

Banned! The Wrestlemania Preview WWE Does NOT Want You To Hear!

"The chair co network on Westwood One. Tall. Doll recall. Ricco? It's the return of Jack slate here on talk is Jericho slightly confused as usual always always swear to be. It was it was it mutant I or something. Join a bit of a headset. And it just seemed like I was just doing it. Right. I don't know. What happened? Okay. What worked and were here. And some might say we have a little bit of redemption to do after last year's drunk a mania performance that we couldn't even air Do. A blithering Lee bad. It was. Yeah. Yeah. That was that was another level. But we're back though, like I said this is a big year here the wrestlemainia preview. But first before we get to talk a little bit about the the Jericho crews where last year you were officially they're kind of doing a lot of work with me. But this year now officially a part of the cruise promoted and everything. That's right. Yeah. Yeah. The official crews mess gonna believe this the title. Isn't it it is? Yeah. I mean, I don't I don't know if that means you have to wear like a weasel outfit, or or what exactly that is the idea of wearing a giant blow up the ocean of my own head? Like the one because the other one is the. Official keeper of the ice which was good. Oh, yeah. Which was I liked the graphic that you did with the the ice guy. Mr. cool ice this very style. He's a I think he's a hero, man. He's a hero. So we're just the once again completely unprepared here as we talk about wrestlemainia thirty five. Which is going to be held this Sunday. Will you be there? Jack in spirit. No, I'm going to be in Brighton. What you own my television. I on the other hand, I'm not going to be there as I am band. Oh, you I don't think I don't think necessarily banned for for for the from the WB. I don't think that's the case at all. But I know that I am not allowed to have any more WB guests on talk is Jericho that was. Yeah. That was told to me from from a very high source that would not be appropriate because I'm now with a W. So this is officially the wrestlemainia preview that the w does not want you to hear this, right? Because I'm I'm quite big play within a WWE. So this'll be sure to shake shake the foundations. Well, if you are then you might get in trouble from talking to me, then I'm not sure if that's the case. Well, I mean, I it's I say, so I'll be fine. I feel that we're kind of like. We're kind of like crossing some lines here. You know, like, we're we're we're over the boundaries. We were doing something naughty, shall we say as the way I feel right? I mean the way you said that it just feels not. But I don't know. I mean, like like I said I mean, it's one of those things where. There's there's certain rules that play. Now. I assume 'em allowed to watch wrestlemainia. I mean, would that be a way that they could stop that? I mean could they know they fiddle with your electron, maybe to stop watching it? They might. I mean, I know certain times when I've had some some sassy detractors online. I ban them from watching my matches. And I don't know if the how that exactly works, but I'm assuming once I say that somebody's banned from watching my my stuff that somebody would put that in the system, and they wouldn't be allowed to wash it. Right. So you think so I think that. I would say that Debbie's for everyone. And I think that even though I'm not allowed to have any guests on talk is Jericho from Debbie with the exception of you that you have high standing there, but you're not actually employed by Debbie. Oh, I know. I don't know. Well. Well. I thought I was the now not. So this is the problem last year when we were on tour with Fosse, and you were working as the stage manager and kind of helped me out with a lot of stuff. Yes, you Sumed just because I was employed by the WB that you were employed by the deputy is. Well, I mean that was one of the Santa guess, I guess, I guess that was realm. The answer's wrong. Yeah. That's is. You're not employed by the w hence the lack of checks being sent to your house now explains. It does explain it. Let's think of famous jacks that have been in the wrestling business. We'll go back and forth. Until one of us loses. You go first. Well, does what about like black Jack mulligan is that even that would tell him? I'll I'll give you outback Jack undone. And the game ends at one. There's a Jack swagger. Oh my God. How can I forget Jack Brisco failure famous Jack? Yeah. That's all. I have if you have any others, please send them to us at talk is Jericho. But I don't seem to recall any other jacks in the wrestling business. Could can think of any forgo those the I was almost Jack. We'll you want to know what my original idea for a name was. Yeah. Hit me Jack action that is drum. That is very true. Yeah. That's what I was going to be. Then I was signing. My autograph to look like Jack action with the end ending in a star just like Paul Stanley and Lance storm happened to be looking at the book that I was writing my autograph on and he said Jackie auction. What's that is that your name? I don't know, maybe whatever. And he got SOX tickets something else. So I did. And I became Chris Jericho. I just I don't think it has the right rains, Chris Jericho or or Jackie action. Notice your under thing it has. You gotta come up. Yeah. You're right. The whole. Yeah. You could point to the whole. Jack action thing might not have worked the way it should have. Jerko should the way Sheila. But we're talking about wrestlemainia thirty five is being held this year at the Barclay center. No sorry. Where's it being held? I don't even know what's being held at. Noah. So the the Barclay center is where is where they're holding raw. It's at the MetLife stadium in east New Jersey on Sunday. I wrestled there once worked fandango at that. What a what a fine mesh Louis. Thank you. Remember, I thought it worked out really good myself. Exactly. So that will be on Sunday. And as a while there's a full card Jackie minute count with one two three four five six seven eight nine ten eleven twelve thirteen fourteen matches total then try to get everyone involved kind of wrestlemainia ideal is kind of do that they try and keep everybody happy, and I'm sure they'll be a few more other matches in the pre show. So it's going to be a long along day. And my question to you is if you need to get stretched out for that. And before we start breaking down the card is we know like you said it's going to be a long once if you're gonna be sitting there for a long time, you might want to get a little warm up beforehand and kind of loosen up a bit. And that's one of my best sponsors Jack diamond Dallas page in EP yoga can come into play. 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So do a little thirty second diatribe on your favorites. Wrestling match you've ever seen. Why pull up the card and start fading wrestling much than Obama seen? They've been a key matches obscene over the years favorite gun. I don't know what that would be. I don't know we go back go back to that. I mean, I'm not sure who I mean normally the batches they go on for. I just it's difficult to pick one out of the maybe hundreds maybe thousands of I've seen. Listening to you. Die on the vine. There was actually. But all's well, we have the card here. So much going on. But let's just start. We don't know. We don't have an idea. What matches or an order? We don't know. Who's on first? We don't know what we know who's on last. Yes. We got to say. Yeah, we do know who's on loss. Which is the big deal. I suppose if you if you compare the first time ever. Women's match women are headlining wrestlemainia, and we'll get to that match. But my opinion, it's the most exciting most will built a match on the card. So I'm actually quite excited that that's the last matches. I think it actually should be. Yeah. Absolutely. And they've done a great job. But just with this buildup, they have this be exciting actually before we get to it. I was going to mention something about the about the hall of fame here and see. Okay. Think of all the entrance to the hall of fame. But once again, I might have to find that thing. So you tell us who your favorite wrestler is as I look up the hall of fame. Okay. My favorite race. I mean, there are so many so many wrestlers lived in dives. And hopefully, the ones that are living the ones that I can think of the favorite today, but it'd be near as just this great ones. Just those just think of how to put together a match the psychology. Volt or just the God. It's really difficult marriage down to just one. I think once again, you nailed it again. So congratulations. Honky tonk man, I think that's pretty good. I think hog young imagine probably go into the hall of fame. Yeah. Yeah. I'd say that's pretty fit. That's pretty pretty clear when I was a kid like I was alternate fan. And that I believed in the good guys. And hated the bad guys. No matter what and are challenging honkytonk man to a fight in the front row of the of the of the ring of the match just staring at his giant sideburns. And I was just like fight you fight you. I'll fight you like super freaked out like all hopped up as as a young man full of piss and vinegar screaming at the honky tonk man and his sideburns. I mean, you go to yell at aside bones because the only thing that really makes you pissed off to look at it must those admits this is his bad lip synching guitar, you know, you don't even have go play guitar that he doesn't play them. Tori Wilson is in. No. I mean, there was a woman in. I mean, I I I wouldn't say that she doesn't deserve to be in. But I don't know. I think they could have been someone is full the. I mean, you know, I don't think it's necessarily bad one. Yeah. No. I think like you said they have to have I think an upcoming years you're going to see a lot more of you know, like you said from Tories era was more of the Bronx panties divas era. Which now I mean, they would never have headline wrestlemainia. And so over the years, I think it's going to be a lot easier to find the women to put in the hall of famers because some just stand up completely. I mean, Ronda Rousey, Becky Lynn, Charlotte three of them right there future hall of famers, absolutely Brutus, the barber beefcake. That's another one. I put in there from the golden years. I can dig that. I wasn't sure about that. But that's just I that was just because when when he was I guess the peak of his career, I was I was pretty young. So I was really was really seen. It was different back. Then you like characters and the guys because of their gimmicks, not because match quality. You know, I mean, there was very few guys that could really work. I mean, obviously had steamboat and savage and those type of guys, but the majority of the richest gimmicks. Estaury a good point. So I suppose as as far as memorable characters go. Yeah. That goes cut people's hair have defined jobbers who would want to get the haircut. Probably pay him an extra couple hundred bucks or whatever. And here we go to the first of the two time inductees into into the hall of fame tumbled degeneration x and that is the Shawn Michaels triple h Chyna, Billy Gunn road Dogg at X pock version, I think that was a no-brainer is very cool to their in the whole sort of the whole group from from his deception, it's pretty cool. Of course. Straw Michaels already in. I'm sure at some point triple h will get him. But I think this is good. I it kind of solves the problem. The WBZ created problem minds. You have how do you get China in there as because obviously the the issues with the personal issues? And then, you know, she was in a porn movie, and blah, blah, blah, like any of that matters. But for. W kind of check off their own boxes to put her in with the kind of takes care of all that. That's right. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. She she deserved to be regardless. But yeah, this new way of doing it. And like, I said I. I had my very first feud in the WB with China. So that's right. Yeah. And actually had a couple of good matches with her. It didn't really like her a lot at the time. But we kind of made amends before she passed away, which is cool. So I tried to get talk jerk. A couple of times she was living in Japan at the time. Right. She was doing some videos on wanted to try and teach Japanese. Yes, she had some kind of of a manager guy or something who's trying to set it up. And I actually think at one point woke up at three in the morning, call her for the hall of fame at or for the talks Jericho, obviously didn't work out. And she's no longer with us. But I'm glad that she's in there. Yes. Absolutely XBox is. Well, I think as a pioneer definitely deserves to be in there. Oh has that easy? He's looking back on the matches. When when he first came into the WF was crazy for the time the stuff that he was doing what just his size too. I mean, he's such a such a small guy. And funny thing is I mean smallest so relative. He's about as tall as I am maybe a little bit taller, and obviously not as muscular. But he's not he's not small the way that you know, Johnny Gargano is. But just at the time when you had all these guys that were six foot eight guy XBox he really was just a little guy. But now he fits right in. But but he kind of broke down the barriers for having a smaller guy. Get a push and actually beat the bigger guys. Yes. Absolutely. Yeah. Yeah. It's such a big deal when he'd be raising. Our about happening is a kid is just a huge upset, you know. Yeah. And actually you can ask about that. Because X pocked will be under circus. Rocket respirator at sea part. Yeah. That's right. He might tell onto picture with the mascot, depending what outfit you're wearing the day. You should wear a different mascot of it. Every day of the cruise. I'm gonna have to bring a couple of suitcases. I'm down for that John Lennon's. Yeah. Yeah. Maybe people can give me some suggestions of what's the giant heads will be cool. But other ideas, it'd be great giant jacket, and maybe a some kind of like like I said like a mouse or a rat or a we Elise all or a wolf for something. I'll tell you what went on. How many six six years old seven years old? As you know. My my is kind of stick out a little bit of for my head. Right. Yeah. Yeah. So and I have a gap in front teeth. So we were doing a school play. And when I was six or seven. I was caused as as a mouse for the school play. And it wasn't until it was about maybe sixteen or seventeen that I was kinda thinking back to that that time, and I realized that I was absolutely type cost in that role. Because of my looks. You. We know the decade at least realize and now you're going right back to again. There you go. Yeah. Holds me. Then we got like you said road Dogg and Billy Gunn who I love the name is really is Monte sop. That's right. Pancake syrup or something. You know what? I mean, I raised this question to you, Jack. How come I'm banned from the Dobie and Monte sop gets put in the hall of fame. He works for aid, w you don't miss a very good point. I wonder if there's a very maybe. Contractors? Historical April eighth. There's something on those lines. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's it. That's it shows up and goes doesn't thank you. I hope it is screw things up for Mr. Saab. Here's another two-time abductee Harlem, heat Booker, t and Stevie Ray, another great great team that should be in there. A lot of tag teams going in this year. Yeah. It's gonna cool. A there to showcase tag James to the accent off. You know the product today. Anyway. Yeah. Yeah. Agree agree. I don't know. Here's another two timer. The Hart foundation, Bret Hart, and Jim neidhart which ticks the box for the post. You miss inductee? They always have to have a woman they have to have old timer, and they have to have a someone who's passed away. Yes. Yes. It is a way of taking those boxes as he said. Yeah, I wish that animal would have got in last year or two years ago, and he's still alive because he could spin a yarn. He's pretty good. Pretty good talker. That guy go glorious bid fifty nice spirit. Absolutely. Absolutely. Yeah. Yeah. And quick note about sue Aitchison who's also going in and sue actually when I picked out. My wife's. In a wedding ring in New York because the guy who worked for the office w offices dad was jeweler, I then handed the ring off to suit a hold for me while I went and met my wife, so she was actually the keeper of the keeper of the rings the master of the rings. That's very cool. Yes. Story day. Yeah. A little bit of store. They'll say, yeah. So there you go that's the hall of fame. And now we're getting ready to move onto the actual matches themselves. But I guess what? I'm I've misplaced the card. You had the card pulled up there. Yeah. I am. I believe is the Kat anyway. Yeah. Hold on a second gets the bottom of this. I have to have my own card. Wait a second. Have it? Oh, I got here. All right, Jack, and I are going to continue. But would not be able to do this wrestlemainia preview or talk is Jericho at all if not for a great sponsors. And that includes O'Reilly auto parts, you can now earn rewards points. Online. At your local old Reilly auto parts store earn points. Anyway, you shop at O'Reilly auto parts, you'll get a five dollar reward for every hundred fifty points. You earn? Visit a rewards dot com and become an O'Reilly. Oh rewards member. Today. O'reilly auto parts, better parts, better prices every day. And that's every day, Jack. Okay. Every day every frigging day, not just some of the day's. And it's not as some of the days when wrestlemainia happens. It happens once a year, and it's happening on Sunday wrestlemainia thirty five. This is the preview that the WB does not want you to hear. But we're going to give it to him. Anyways. Aren't we? Absolutely. We we are always going against the grain. That's right. Exactly. So go on. Guest go against the grain. To say that we're going to start off with the women's battle Royal 'cause there's a men's battle, Royal? And there's a women's a Royal. I gotta say this one thing that kind of bugs me about WB understand the divas men and women are equal. But they have to have two of everything. Now. I know what you're saying. About at the same time is still getting getting other people will get in as many. Many will own the car. It's possible, I suppose because it's always kind of the reward you work all year, and then you end up on wrestlemainia. But and I'm not just saying that they should have just a men's bathroom, and it wouldn't kill me if they had a women's about a Royal only and no man's. But like you said you gotta get everybody on the card. So I don't know. Do we have wonder if we have a full lineup of the wrestlemainia participants that are going to be in that? I mean, I don't know. Because when I'm looking at areas, the old more missed it on. I got I got Oscar Carmella me Lanta, Mandy, rose Sondhi DeVille NICKY cross Dana. Brooke ruby riot? Live Morgan Sarah Logan mickie James Selena Vega. Yeah. Did you have all the way? I I have all those. And also the TB. But I mean, maybe there's not going to be. I don't know. Maybe a new talent that's going to be debut informatics t twenty maybe they would be the next talent. Yeah. I mean, I don't know. So out of all those who do you think might win that? Here's the interesting thing. I don't actually know. I don't know. I those names. I mean is there really besides Oscar may become ele, I suppose, maybe ruby riot who else has been really been doing much recently. I'm going to go with Oscar. But I think there's a lot of Oscars on their other laws, but also has had a lot of. Steam, and that sort of thing would if we had went with somebody different. And we said either. Mandy roads. Mattie rose. She does the point. Yes, she she could do it. Even ruby riot. Given a big push to Lacey Evans, recently too. I should just kinda walks down to the ring and just hangs out on her. She could have the battle Royal? And then maybe walked down at the end and throw somebody out win or something. I don't know. I think that would be a good. I think. Yeah. That's a strong point Lacey. Evans could be a good one to eight maybe. Okay. I'm gonna say it gun to the head. But it was it was my idea. So I'm going to say that I'm gonna say sleazy Evans or you who are you going to say? Well, I agree that Lacey Evans could be a good one. But I'm going to say someone different. And I'm actually going to say, I don't know. I I think it could be really riot you keep mentioning ruby riot. Okay. Okay. Well, I'll say this. I said Lisa Evans, you said ruby, right? Let's see. Let's see what happens, and then we'll go to the man's battle, Royal? I've got a lot of interests here. Braun strowman. Andreotti? Apollo crews Titus O'Neil Tyler breeze, ginger Mahal, no way, Jose, Bobby rude. Chad gable? The Lucci house party, Bo. Dallas Curtis axel, he Slater rhino Victor, Connor Ali Shelton Benjamin, Luke gallows, Karl Anderson. Matt hardy, Jeff hardy, Otis Tucker and EC three. Wow. From Sarah live, Michael J, and Colin Jost. We what to you wear Saturday Night Live, right? I I know I know of. Yeah. I know it's an American comedy show that has sketch comedy, you know. The American Monty python? If you will the young ones or something along those lines love beautiful accent? Thank you very much. So they're on the show that they do the weekend update was kind of like the news report. And the thing that bothered me. And this is what I hate about ho w barters their their talent and their time. They put Michael shea and Colin Jost on raw put them on the battle, Royal. I would think the trade off would be Braun strowman ands up us. Right live. Right. You'd think. So it doesn't have to host it. Well, let's do just do like a walk on during the news show. Right nothing. He never did. It doesn't make sense that I mean, don't pimp yourself out to to low level Senate like night guys for not get that in return. You know what? I mean. So yeah. I mean, I also. Yeah. That was yeah. Realize that you guys want to be on the show, then put us onto so. Think cross formation in some way. Yes. Hey was Shaquille O'Neal how to podcast Shaquille O wants you on the show? I said that's great. I'll do his show. If he does mind he doesn't do podcasts. Well, then I'm not doing his see you later shag doubting. I think it's fan, exactly. Wow. Who do you think? I mean, if it's not Braun strowman. I mean, let's this should we just take Brownstone throw them out of there. Like, I think it's obviously is going to win. But what if he doesn't do any things in a win? I mean, you gotta say Strom is going to win. Right. It's the only logical option especially to. It's the only logical thing. But I mean, could they I don't think it would be Ali because I think they can he he can still do other things and he doesn't necessarily need win because he's still super popular. Yeah. I don't know who couldn't be pretty Bo. Dallas. Currently I'm gonna I'm gonna say I'm going to say all these going to win. That's to say, you think. Yeah. See, I don't know. I I would say the same thing that I just I don't know. I think it could be like Andreotti actually thinking about it. Okay. So it's crazy to rest is going to work, and that was the big push super Popper. Then he gets hurt. They put in Kofi as the as the sub and Lorenzo fortunes reverse at this point. Right. I know. Okay. Cruiserweight championship a buddy Murphy versus Tony niece. I feel we've had the exact same match last year. Was it the exact same on? I remember it was. But it probably was but. Good old good old, buddy. Hey, buddy. That's the Canadians or anybody. It. Yeah. You when you when you know somebody's name, you just call them, buddy. Saying was buddy the night. We went and hung out and rocked it, do, you know, butting refuse name. Why just assume that Doan really knew this call this, buddy? Charles murphy. But no one remember this, buddy. Oh, man. I don't even know. Tony niece. Got a great build hell of a body. Yeah. We share the same workout plan. He just actually eats. Actually, I at it though, man. Your your diet is insane. How much you eat? Yeah. Yeah. Put any any bulk them because of it. But I do what happened to Texas from Jerry. Jay's James Nichols. He says I'm in Regina. And I was good old, Regina. We're we're we got attacked by crack on the bus and Jack bravely, risked life and limb to get the guy off there and ended up suffering a broken collarbone. Yeah. Literally life and let well not life. But lynn. Yeah. That was that was a good time. Wasn't it? Jackson had risked Lim and Lim. Yeah. Yeah. Hospital for like six hours the stupid hospital, and you're died broken collarbone, broken collarbone. And then when I was waiting for that x Ray people kept coming into the room housekeeper pictures with union. Remember that a soy man, if you okay, hey, Chris picture with you? That's exactly what was happening actually exactly what's up. So are you feeling better? Now is that healed? Yeah. Yeah. Exactly week ago. I got the old Clinton the doctor to take a long time. But yeah, finding the old Claire last week. So now you can go in search training for wrestling again. That's it. That's it. And I'm hoping to to do it back in January. But I'm hoping to now in in may he'd be sidetrack. Okay. Oh, yeah. Maybe next year you'll be in the two of five live. It'd be actually what one oh five live for you, though. I'm just just just oh five. All right, Kurt angle versus Barron Corban, Kurt Angle's retirement match. I gotta tell you, man. I mean, listen, I'm banned anyways right with differences to make. It depends. What differences what make well? Of me, giving my opinion. Yes. Yes. Good points. Nothing. I think sometimes guys go out of the way to just be get along guys. It'd be nice. If I was going to get talked into having my retirement match at wrestlemainia, it would not be against baron Corbin. Yeah. It's nothing. He gets Barry Corbin. But listen Kurt angle is the legendary performer one of the greatest of all time and want to think of the great retirement matches wrestlemainia the one that pops to my mind is RIC flair versus Shawn Michaels. Absolutely. And you had two guys of similar levels of fame and similar levels notoriety. And I just don't see why Kurt would allow himself to do that. Like, I just don't get it. Yeah. I mean, storyline wise makes sense. But yeah, be going to go out and again nothing against, but why wouldn't you have someone like a senior or someone like that to to to go up against your loss match. But this is what I'm saying. Like like is it storyline wise that was the story line a few months ago or six months ago, or whatever, but just came in way of just putting these two guys I cursed the GM anymore. You know, he never was for the last little while. Just kind of basically came back on again recently to build for this. I just didn't understand the the reasons for that. So I I mean, obviously Kurt angle winds in hopefully, like thirty seconds because they've had this retirement to reform. None of the matches were booked to be great in that. They didn't have the TV that they're supposed to have a TV time supposed to have. So I think it's better just to get it on a get it over with. Do you there there are rumblings of Ryan all of it being a bit of a bait? Switch do you. Do you? Do you think they would do that? And switch clubbing out with someone else. Or do you think they could do it quickly? And then someone else comes out for for a bigger impact. You think I don't think? So man, I think they're going to do it. They would do it. I know seen as kind of involves somewhere. He's in town. I mean, there's still the undertaker faction. But if you're going to have seen a versus angle, wouldn't you advertise that you'd think so? Yeah, that's a good point. You would think so you know, I think it's going to be a quick win for Kurt and big ceremony and credential one of the greatest endless like I said, I mean the guy deserves a retirement ceremony. I wouldn't take it this way. But at this point in time, I don't know what more you could do. But I just think it just seems like a little bit of a letdown to go out that way. Yeah. I went office sold and ask announced. I thought the exact saying it doesn't it doesn't quite feel right in. I'm going Kurt angle. You has to be angle. Yep. Gotcha. Okay. Then we go to the MS versus Shane McMahon falls count, anywhere. I mean, it makes me laugh, right? Like every match Shane has the false count out anywhere. You know what I mean? Hell the cell or like what kind of structure could Shane jump off of and crash and burn sixty feet below. There's going to be some sort of spoke than thinking of this like, yeah. Is it like you saying this foes kind anywhere or hardcore match, which is pretty much the same thing. You know, hound Sal, whatever, you know. I I like the angle that that MS Enchaine did I thought they're a much better team together than they are of adversaries, but you know, Shane's going to be in the card, and and, you know, MS always works hard. So misses the baby face Shane's the eel as Shane jumps off the top. The stadium through a giant pillow disguised as a car and MS wins. Yeah. I don't know who who would wait. But I'm just to be different. I'm gonna go for Shane winning. But I do think. Yeah. There's going to be some sort of massive spot, and you know, from himself. Off a plane to land on Dane, rare shoots out of a plane. Yes. Through a table, that'd be awesome. Thinking about the planning for that. What if the wind goes off? A. Women's team championship. Once again, lots of equality here. Shot Sasha banks and Bailey versus Beth Phoenix in Italia. Versace nyah Jackson to being snooker versus the Lalanne laconic. Wait. What the Cologne IX the chronics the front. The kalanick's is that how you spell Iconex with two is she that's good point. Well, let's say they spill to say look Connex like to to Connex to like Roman numerals to I guess comics. Comex. Diff. Yeah. I guess I guess that is how you spell it I- Connex with two is which I guess you said the Roman numerals because there's two of them. So I guess it's kind of clever. Worst tag team name ever Boston hug connection. Oh my God. That's awful. I mean that is horrible. That is horrible. Yeah. That they could have something better. What do you think of the returning Beth Phoenix now? Yeah. I I'm pretty pretty stumped about it. Because Beth is you know about us. I I know I what was the what was the reason to call me back. I haven't figured that. She's been doing some commentators lately, and she's a hall of Famer now, and maybe she expressed some interest. I know her natty used to be a tag team, right? Yeah. Yeah. So maybe she just decided she wanted to come back for one more kick. The can you know, maybe I I don't know. It's one of those same as good she she comes out there. And she was always really good like back back in the in the divas day. She was the best diva, quote unquote is yes, that's worker. You know, absolutely Johnston winning authority. Win. This just we use what you were saying. Well, yeah. Because of you know, if you think from from I guess can't you found this back to have. I don't know. Casual because relaxing, but do you think that Betham Italian with? So winning on. Well, I guess. Pens. If Beth is going to be a working little bit more or not. Yeah. I'm going to say as the laconic, but I'm gonna go. I'm just say there's a lot of championships changing hands. I'm gonna go with the Boston hug connection. Retaining. I mean, it depends if they really want to I personally haven't really seen the championships meaning a whole so far. So unless they want to try and make something seem. On a bigger than maybe they could give it to to meaner Anaya Jackson unless Beth Phoenix mystic around for a bit. But I don't know if they don't it doesn't really make sense to get to saturating valley to lose. Does it? Really? No. So I'm saying sash ability winning. Yeah. You know, I'm gonna have to go with you. I don't really see anything else happening. We'll see it's good that you agree with Jack because we do work together quite a bit. And this this breslow mania preview that you're not supposed to hear is being sponsored in part by indeed when it comes to hiring. You don't have time to waste you need help getting to your shortlist of qualified candidates fast. 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Impassive Bruce gonna pull semantic Endo you really up in the engine that one for me. I my. A Greg use with a dash of Cran, which is a red red. What is it? Red gum smile as Vinnie Paul called it is empty fill it up. So as I'm filling up another drink. I'm gonna ask you to relate, your your favorite wrestlemainia moment favor wrestlemainia moment. I mean, you know, this'll be the thirty fifth wrestlemainia. So they've been a wrestlemanias to to go through trying to think of the first one comes to mind would have been just because there have been some many great moments of light that was that happening. And then normally there's some sort of piracy involved, and you know, thirty thirty four long student. We got pretty pretty wasted. So I don't remember last Nastya and then favorite moment. I think it has to be something along the lines of maybe when I don't I I don't know. I quite enjoyed twenty-five wrestlemainia twenty-five that is and that was when Schule Michaels and the undertaker atom match together that was quite that was quite good. It was all right. Besides that. There has been another ten resume. This'll be the ten Putin it, and then it's it was around. That's fine. That. You realize that the ten years ago, what would have been ten years ago? There's such a big deal that's really real set. And the best of all is actually run downstairs. I didn't want to tell you that because they don't want to screw up your flow. So that was the hut. You want you want that? Just that. I was there in spirit. Yeah. So as we continue on here. Who was a quick dash was like a he's still there who is always. Oh, who always. The scaling new for me. Jack. Getty. Match that I'm looking forward to. But here's my problem. Those before Samoa Joe and Ramos zero for the United States championship when you have so many matches on the card fourteen matches on five hours or six hours, or whatever it may be. Plus, there's a pre show their solve the pump is circumstances. A hall of fame, blah, how long or some of these matches going to get. Thing. And when you have a match slight like Joan Misteri. Oh, you kind of hope it would get quite a, you know, a decent amount of time. Right. Yeah. You wanted to go like twenty minutes. Fifteen twenty minutes at least. But I'm always scared because I know how wrestlemainia works in the top two or three matches get the time that they want the rest just fit in. So having said that I'm definitely looking forward to this match on the show almost as much as any of the others. Yes. Absolutely. I mean on paper. It sounds sounds ridiculous. Really, doesn't it? I don't know if ever seen them work before. I don't think they have is just say they worked together. I don't I don't know. I don't think. So I've just waiting for them to pull the trigger and Samoa Joe. I don't know what the holdup incident. You know what I mean? Yeah. Yeah. No. I agree. It's you thought it was going to happen lost year or some point. I thought that they were going to pull the trigger and give at least Sean with the with the the world champions yet. What would what do they call it? Now universal. No that w Risha arms. Yeah. You know, baby the bell big one. Yeah. Yeah. You know, you're not allowed to a belt or strap in the press. Did you hear about this? I something about is explain they handed out like pamphlets at the at the press conference for wrestlemainia thirty six could be held in Tampa or guys deadly where I am right now. But I'm sure I'll be shot on sight. If I show up for that one. You're not allowed to say belt or strap you can't say pro wrestling you can't say wrestling fan. Get save WWE. It's only WB. So a lot of those rules to keep in mind, Jack, if you're here next year covering the matches for the UK times, or whatever it is that you would read. Yes. All of those times, the yeah. I would I that. I should that's such a that doesn't make sense. It's very pompous. It's very WBZ where they want people to talk in their own. There's a bubble that WB lives in and everybody's to fit into that bubble. So when they say, it's called sports entertainment. I've been a sports entertainment fan, my whole life is what they want you to say. Like who's ever said that? Yeah. I can't say I have why can't why can't you say wrestling? The key is in the name is W W E world, wrestling entertainment. I still say the WB are you'll get banned too. Yeah. Yeah. I've got to go to watch that. So Joe versus the stereo Joe's the champ. Like, I said there's a lot of titles changing hands. There's a big coronation for two other people which will get to you. I'm going to say some Samoa Joe or if you're actually in the know someo, Joe. Somewhat. Yeah, somewhat. Joe? I'm seeing lovely. He's retaining. Yeah. I don't know. I was going to say that. But seeing as you have gone flow, Mr. someo, someone hope some hope. Under is going to go for a Ray Meister Ryo. Yeah. Meister riot. Now, I'm going to I'm going to say, right? Just because of soup daily. I'll have a ham sandwich in a bowl, the mice. Toronto police mice the Ryo. Yeah. Yeah. Yes. I'm what someone Joe against my sobriety. Yes. That's great. Great movie on inter karnal championship. Bobby Lashley la- champ versus Ballard who we just found out last night or a couple nights ago, depending on when you're listening to this, which of course is a couple of nights ago. I was gonna say be last night, otherwise that would be a time travel. That's another episode. Hey, we've dealt with that here on talk is Jericho. So there might be a few those guys. So if you're listening if you're going to listen to this tomorrow, if you're going to see it tomorrow because you're a time trawlers spoiler alert. Finn has already alluded that he's gonna come out as the demon. Yeah. Which is about to his that's been such a good well charac. So I guess good lick because it's not just a look it's a whole character. Isn't it really? Yeah. A great idea. So you know, I appreciate that. They the he only whips and out for special occasions. But yes about Dan time that he he does whip it out. The demon king is not not not has appendage erotic fan fiction again, Jack. Might be. Here's my. The fan fiction that we found in the in the truck stop that one time when Jack was sleeping. Win a German truck slot. Stop. And I found a basically a softcore porn novel magazine. It was a call Jack. Well, it was I what was like the adventures of Jack Slade it actually the comic book characters actually, call Jackson. So I am going to say. And this is something that I don't like it what the demon coming out when Finn wins the demons ever lost. Right. So I think there's going to be an integral championship victory by Finn balance the demon. But my questions you mister slate the Englishman or the German softcore porn adventure character. Yeah. Why wouldn't he have worn? The demon paint the demon costume, and he was facing Branca's near the biggest match of his career. Yeah. That's actually, really good. Yeah. I'd be able to something we've come into mind straight away. And nothing that's just because he was gonna lose. It doesn't make sense. Anyway, you slice it. So I think the fact he's wearing the demon character costume, we're going to have a new Intercon L championship. Yeah. Yeah. I think that's it. But then at the same time if he would defend it, and he's not as the demon king, then won't happen. I if he wins the match defends it. In the future. Does that ruin the the allusion of of it being a close match your you know, what I mean? You know what I mean? And if he defends it the futures against one of the time travel listening to our show right now. That's right. Actually, that's a good point this missing. Yeah. Here's here's another trivia. This is Bobby Lashley first wrestlemainia. I'm not even sure if it's too remote of it on their last year. But I don't remember his first wrestlemainia back since he was in the main event of wrestlemainia. It was Bobby Lashley with Vince McMahon versus who Maga and the the the protests the s which I recently found out. It means president of the United States just figure that out. I thought I thought it was something to do with water. Notables? Donald Trump was is the name if you don't know what the poets is like like jacket. I who are foreigners by the way. So we should know. That's right. Yeah. Why do we know this matches one actually wanna see the next one? Actually, I like a lot of these matches. But triple h versus Batista in a malls, hold. Honestly. I just found. Some really pisses me off. Okay. Mrs. Shame McMahon falls count, anywhere. Yes. Tripoli's Batista, no-holds-barred K. Right. Kurt angle versus. Baron Corbin retirement match triple eight career on the line in this match. So if I'm doing a match like this, I don't want anyone else retiring on the show or having a gimmick match. My right. What this I see what you're saying? Yeah. And if I'm looking at the two the two. Components. You got tribulation Batista to the biggest stars of all time with few. That's lasted for twenty years, whatever. And MS and Shane McMahon who really have no feud, and the only reason why it's an all as far as Shane McMahon. That's nepotism. Yes. I don't like it. Well. I mean, nepotism. That's that's like I believe it's something to do. Wait, nepotism. Isn't that the Gano Walter? The go-to of Walter. Yes. This all of those things which is why I'm saying that to me the Shane and MS should not have been falls count, anywhere. If you're gonna do tribulation, Batista, which is a bigger match on the show that holds barred stipulation should be a sanctimonious religious sacrilege to break. It was all those words were wrong. But it should be a not touched by anybody else sacred. You shouldn't mess with it. Right. So so MS machine should have been fulls count somewhere. Yeah. Bring it down. You know, what I mean spos- count some win as he loves those things where you say first time ever so good for the first time ever. It's a falls count somewhere match. And then he had a little bit of own of those like, a, bingo, but Sheen's were you turn it, and then someone puts in their hand, and they pull out section five rose ten to twelve you can bend somebody. And then they go down, and they fight the crowd, and that's what the finished happens. Holy shit. That would be awesome. Dude, I'm telling you what I didn't work there for twenty years for nothing. You know, what I got to get so many play sets exists because of creations that I invented. What one three three so close money money in the Bank has the play-set. That's fine. Ambrose asylum has a place at that's mine. I mean, all these okay co written like, but I'm involved, and then festival of friendship. That's mine. Go. Yeah. So if you think falls killed somewhere, actually, that's yours. You came up with it. I just I just honed in on it. And you you can be in the, hey, go for double or nothing. It could be a full scam. Someone we love to say that on this podcast. Oh well known as the gambling zone. Isn't that? What else? Could it be? I'm feeling. There's someone listening right now. The Caesar going to spew some gas through my air vents before I can send this to Stacey my producer or what she gets inputs up. It's gonna be some weird like digital volt full courting going on where it's like, hey, nobody really funding. We're at resolve your own on. Would you say, Jack or HARA? Oh, you mean the age, I, but you that's pretty I you just you just really amazing impression of me already on you. So anyways, triple A R J versus Batista. I love Batista who doesn't anyone not probably a couple ex wives or something like that. But I'll tell you what the man he knows how how how to play this character. Very simple angle. Eight very much to the point really really liked the whole thing. I'm looking forward to seeing these guys beat the crap out of each other. Yeah. Yeah. And it's funny because they were reading this the he wanted to know he didn't he come out in public and say, you know, I would love to have Milan's navigators AAA show. I think is kind of cool that they, you know. Let that be played into the story. And yeah, he's played it. So well like you say just so good. He was lobbying for it. And they giving them the runaround. Then I went to his went out with them. I posted the picture of us together, online and Instagram. They killed them back in ten minutes. We'll joke. Funny stuff. Right. Are you crazy? Yeah. We're we in. But big, Dave. He's back. I'm excited that he's back. And the only reason why we know he's not gonna lose is. Because the fact that it's triple h his career is on the line. So I think but teases back for a one and done before he goes off to make ten million dollars for gardens galaxy four I'm going with a triple A AAA J. It makes sense. You know, how big is Batista's career when you know. It's not true Jesus Carrillo. It's only triple h is career. No true. Matching and still come back like next week, right? Yeah. Yeah. Nobody I is going to be triple h. But I I I was I would kind of think it would be fitting but Batiste to win for triple h to retired. So then just wear a suit all the time. But yet it won't happen. Well, it is going to win. I agree. I think it's gonna be a fun match though. Triple h is is one of those guys. He doesn't Russell much. But he's one of the best of all time. Batista was always very good newest character and he's hungry. And this one is the reason why rock comes back, even why still like to do is that instant gratification that you get from a live audience that you don't get when you're filming movies, actually, not me at all. Because I have Fossey, but for rock and Batista. They still at coming back because they get the the the crowd reactions and feel that buzz. I think big Dave wants some closure to his career. And I think he's gonna get it. On wrestlemainia. So funny as well that when he came back a couple of years ago and Aurora people just turned on. You is crazy what going away and coming back or a different reason. Yeah. The reason why is they put him over in a match where people wanted to see Daniel Bryan go over. That's the. That's right. Yeah. This match year under other circumstances. I'd be super excited about, but I almost feel like it was to top name guys. They had nothing else to do. Let's just put AJ styles and Randy Orton together. Yeah. I was kind of trying to figure out the the reason to do that. But yeah, I mean, it is what it is. I suppose I always hated that to me. It's not the match. It's the story. It's Stephen King. It's not the tail let's see who tells it. And to me, it's like, I don't care who you put me in the room. But I think you know, Jericho versus fandango was more anticipated than AJ versus Randy just because the very minimal story that we have it was a story of the same Asian Randy. I think it's a little bit of a waste of both their talents. I still think Randy Orton is one of the best workers in the company when he when he wants to be maybe tonight who wanted to. But my point is like I said before will they get the time to really deliver the match that we know they could deliver. I just don't think they have the story behind it to be able to do that. Yeah. I don't see them going twenty minutes to you know, agreed to be some sort of story storyline matchy. I just make sense. I don't think it's going to happen way. I'm going to say that Randy. Wins with a controversial finish that. They can take this another couple of months and maybe next month. They give him the thirty minutes. They deserve. That's the case. So maybe there won't be finished to maybe Bill lit up. Don't know. Do you think would? I know. I know, I know Vince, thanks. We'll be finished. It'll be like a ball shot roll up or something. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Dang makes maybe he's gonna punt AJ and ahead in Asia. I'll come back and be confused. He'll be Ajax styles. Ajax young straight AJ slaves any day. Yeah. What's your prediction? I I'm going gonna go in as well. Yeah, they make and remember guys. Keep track of this at home at talk Jericho Senate results, and let us know how we did. Because we're far too an organized and getting a little bit buzzed ski here to be honest with you. Juices going down. Yeah. Yeah. It's not even five o'clock. Here's this is what we call day drinking here in in in Florida, ten o'clock here in England. So, you know, it's it's it's okay. For me. It's five o'clock somewhere. That's right. So we're here's a big one with the big horrible emotional announcement of Roman reigns. Have leukemia. Good friend of mine. And now, he's back kind of unrest. Wrestlemainia? I would say not a wildcard. But I think whatever plans they had it probably put them on hold for him because they didn't want to come back and suddenly he responds to treatment. He's doing great. And now he's back and they put him against another hot young upstart in drew McIntyre. I really liked this matchup because it's too big dues. You're going to beat the shit out of each other. And I don't know who's going to win. Yeah. That's right. Because logically speaking, eat or them could because Romans Roman and drew you would want to try and build up like crazy. Yeah. Exactly. And the thing is you know, we're talking about about Brock versus Seth. And if Seth winds as a challengers could be drew if Brocklin's God forbid, my goodness of Brockway, you'll be so bored. At this point remember last year what happened? Doc one. Well, yeah. I I think he's through the drink at the screen and ran out in the building. And then we percent sent out to you report. Looks was so mad and so dropped up one. Gosh, all the beautiful. Well, I I do seem to remember. I mean, I think they were picked as pumped up from that night as well away because it was a project screen the audit. If you remember that. Yeah. Yeah. You ended up throwing the drink in front of it in pitches with bands. It was great. That is the it was quite the night. But like I said, so what do we do we decide on this, man? This is this is a kind of a little bit of a tough decision for me. Yeah. I mean, I I I want to say jury just because they've been they they wouldn't have brought him back with two such fans that, you know, Bill, you know. On an when he came back. It was a big deal. And then bring it home to the main main roster. I I think it's going to be drew, especially they couldn't do something major. So I'm going to say, I'm gonna say drew McIntyre. But it's okay. Okay. I see what you're saying on that. But it's also Roman reigns. As big return under normal circumstances. I would hundred percent agree with you. But right now, I think you can have the guy come back from legit life threatening leukemia and not having wins. I'm going with Roman reigns. Once again was some kind of controversial finish where they can go back next month drew wins. And then goes on to challenge. Whoever is the winner of the Seth Rollins mattress. I'll let you know in a bit. That is a good point. Actually, I didn't think of the the real job just to look care the ice on very very cute. Yeah. Painful memories, man. Alright. So the the one website was looking at the fall the card went away. So now, I believe we have three matches left. It just looked it up again. So we've got Brock listener Rollins Daniel, Bryan, Kingston and the in the women's so which was should we do next. You wanted to Leicester's match or Janu Bryan's match wished you think of the. Do you think I think they pay brought too much money? He's such a a pretentious person that he's going to go on semi amendments. Let's go Daniel versus Kofi, Debbie championship match. Right. Yeah. So this is an interesting one, isn't it? And in doesn't it. Seem a little bit familiar to when Daniel Bryan was put into this position to be as ago, in what way well in the the fans getting behind Kofi really does seem reminiscent of when they all of the the yes movement if you news ago, and it's also very similar. It was the same kind of thing where somebody got hurt. And then they put Brian in that position was changed everything around. And once again, we talked earlier worst-off Ali, although Mustafa mysteriously disappeared his first name. Yeah. We don't know what happened to that. It just disappeared. Evan away very strange along with Dave from David Teesta. Yes. Yep. Sure, there's a few others. But so we now know a shameless shameless Assan Shaughnessy shameless even on this card. What the hell happened a shameless? The point is he in the battle, Royal listen. Here's the problem with the WB nowadays, they're signing. So many people that I'm just realizing there's no shame as there's no sorrow. There's no Kevin Owens. Hello worst. Kevin. Allen's does a big deal. That's a big deal especially for him to be brought back a few weeks ago by Vince. Yeah. And then did you nothing? Yeah. You know, what guys there's a place for you. Now. Jack slaves championship wrestling out of Brighton. UK? That's right. Yeah. Actually, I show is going to be in a few months. I haven't gotten any talent yet. I don't have any talents. You walk out that one. Sponsored by Chris Chris lays rock and roll jewelry. Yeah. That's the spirit of the drum. Don't give them. Give a quick plug for spirit of the drum. Yes. Spirit in the Jerome dot com. Dan is bold. And he has a jewelry line. He's in it band with full lettuce. We hope he's still we don't know who's in the band now with four letters. Yeah. He's. I it's it's not kiss. Let's put it that way. The rush is rush. He is. He might be this. Yeah. We're starting. We're letting the word out. Now, you want click Bates, you got one Neil period has publicly announced these retired. He will be replaced by bald Englishman who was in the firm man-for-man at AC DC, and it's not the drummer from April wine whose name escapes both you me and Chris late. That's right. Yeah. What someone could tell me that his name dad is still wondering and not only an encyclopedia or a Wikipedia page. Correct. He doesn't even know what went to Peter is. In fact, actually, my dad has go away competing page and go to the point before means were as well known as they are as prominently on. Now, those a festival that dad, and I opened up a few years ago and on on his Wikipedia page. You know, it shows his discography and his achievements. And in. Year, which believe I think it was six. So the is before it was an Asia album and in two thousand six it was Chris laid a creator of time. That was his name. Yes. Someone who would compete edits to say that Chris lay was the creator of time. He's like Christmas now or what he's like Jesus Christ. I guess Jesus Christ Christmas and the creator of time Chris lay jets dad, so he's sponsoring jacks wrestling company, and I don't know how we started about this. But we gotta go to Daniel bribers Kofi, Kingston Mustafa sorry. A Li got hurt. They took him out the book Kofi and suddenly everyone super excited about Kofi. You never know. What's going to happen in this business? One day. You're you're you're in the outhouse the next day and the penthouse and Kofi Kingston in the penthouse. Yeah. Yeah. That's right. Yeah. You know, why not there's been he is a long time coming really these are real likable guy. And I always said great matches with them always enjoyed worked with him. He always had a connection with the crowd. And the my only my only problem with this match is that I feel if they didn't have to stretch it to wrestlemainia they would have done it like a month or two months ago or month ago, which would have been a much. Not going to say bigger reaction because I'm not trying to be critic. I just think that now everybody in the place knows Kofi is going to win. So their job is performers is to do everything without doing stupid booking decisions where Vince comes down and changes the rules, or whatever do everything within the false finishes in the story of the match to make people think Kobe is not gonna win having said that I will give you Jack Slade seventeen quid. If Kofi does not win. Ooh, that's the biggest payday yet. Yeah. Yeah. If he doesn't win. Okay. So. Yeah. Okay. Do you think that he would do the because of of of having a nice things taken away from us over the years by? Do you think they actually going to pull the trigger do that? They have to don't you? I mean, I do agree. Yeah. It's just more. There's that doubt. In my mind. They are actually going to follow through with it. But that's a good thing. Maybe that's that's the way they want you to do it. So I'm saying that this is the one time. No, it's not the one time. It happens. They build it this way. I think your winter because you have nice things taken away from you is going to be Kofi Kingston. Yeah, it's going to be it's going to be. It wouldn't be it's going to be a big payoff for if. And when he does win it, and yeah, it's going to be so fairytale story the people really want. I know I want it. I'm ready to have it. Yeah. Absolutely. Okay. So no doubt. Universal championship match Brock Leser Seth Rollins. I mean, I would you call my God. This is horrible. Did you sneeze? You throw raspberry. Did you did you all the above all of the about really this? How? Horror of those. I just thought Samachar. I didn't know like God. You gotta be neutral here. You're a journalist. Listen, and everyone knows my history of Brock listener, don't like them. Don't think you really tries very hard, whatever, blah, blah, blah. He's in the man of wrestlemainia again bowl ring. But I love Seth Rollins. And actually know what Brock Brock is good working with smaller guys. So I think this is going to be a hard any match. I think Brock's going to take him to task is going to be seventy five suplex cities. And I think the only finish that that could possibly go. Except for one thing. I was just saying Seth Rollins has to win except for one thing was that I feel really hard pressed the believe that Vince is going to have three world championships changed hands in three consecutive matches. Now, that's actually really good point. Right. So I'm afraid we're going down the same warm. Holy went in last year as to where Brock is going to sign. Another deal. The morning wrestlemainia a few million bucks to stay another couple of matches. Or maybe staying ready? I don't know everything tells me I want Seth Rollins to win except for. I know how the WB invincible. I'm going to say Brock is going to win on a hate even saying, I'm throwing more drinks at the strain. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Plastic covering. On the screen because I. Screen. Yeah. That's the name of the difficult. Second album. What do you think third album, actually? Yeah. I don't know. I don't know you I want to win it. But yeah, I I agree with you. It'd be would they have three, you know, three two main titles change hands. And what is broke doing? I probably winning. It's pretty what he's doing is. Yeah. You save Roxas Atlanta yet. I think so. Yeah, I I want to win. And I think it would be a great match. And I think that it would be, you know, the whole beast lay thing would be a big big pushing point. But. Yeah. I don't say Zeebrugge losing. I want him to. I just I just think that this point time Vince is so enamored with Brock and just keeps the Money Train go on, and I just feel that if you're going to Kofu in which you have to and you're going to have the person I think is gonna win the next match that you have to set out. And I think he's gonna lose. They're going to go to Saudi Arabia or whatever place they go to and do a rematch and keep it's like, it's like groundhog day. It's the same thing as last year. But nothing yes. Yeah. It said of Roman it Seth set has to win. But it's just not right to do it. Because one of my big problems Japan at Tokyo, mid seven titles change ends. It's too many and have three world titles. Changed hands in a row. It's too much. Seth is numbers victim Brooklyn's. When you look at it that way. Yeah. It makes sense to for it to be on that it it doesn't make sense. But it makes sense. You know what? What I mean? Well, I I I don't even know making sense as the word for it. But it's the the the MO is believable, you know. So that was onto our it's funny to Jack is I record on this phone, and I have it plugged into six different things. The one thing I don't have it plugged into is is a is a charger, and I'm down to percents. So we're gonna finish before we run out of time. But I would. So here we go management. First time ever raw women's championship is smackdown women's championship. It was announced last night or two nights ago or the future whichever part of the time traveling university from winner takes all Ronda Rousey vs Becky, Lynch versus Charlotte, whoever wins because the first undisputed champion in WB history. Where does undisputed champion? Wait. Hang on. Hold on. I understood champion deputy history that does not have a male genitalia. There we go. Yeah. Because I mean, you do is undisputed champion before wasn't it. Hoof Jerry Flynn. I think his name was Kerry Flynn, Dave Jericho wherever's. Name was David Alan co Jerry Allen. Jerry cook. Listen, here's my thing. I've been a fan of this angle from the start when you know, once again the same thing with Kofi they fans wanted Becky to win Charlotte one. They started booing Charlotte who was the baby face and cheering Becky was the he'll that's how the business works. You follow what the fans want Becky and Charlotte was always uncoerced then Rhonda comes in. Then it's Becky and Rhonda than Charlotte comes in people are mad as three way. Let me tell you. Why it's a great idea for it to be three way. Jack, tell me if it's Becky and Rhonda and Rhonda leaves which is the rumor, I don't know I'm not allowed within one hundred yards of WB event at this point. But it is Rhonda leaves. Then suddenly, you have one woman who was in the very first main event in wrestlemainia history. Okay. If it's a three way and Rhonda leaves? It's okay. Because now you still have Charlotte. Becky, the first two women ever to headland wrestlemainia, they can both brag about that until the cows come home. And if you don't think they're going to do that look at me, I still brag that I beat the rock and stone cold Steve Austin, the very first night almost twenty years later. So I think as great idea, I think the whole concept of the women's revolution. Whatever they called. It was to eventually end up with a women's main event. And here's what I like about it. It's not a patronizing thing. It's not a undermining thing. These three women deserve to be in the main event because it's the best story on TV. It's the most anticipated match and all three characters are the three. And I'll say it again, the three the three most over performers on the show. What do you think Jack Slade about the first women's main event? I completely agree with you. It's absolutely organic. It was the easy comparison, which I. You know, I know it's been used a love, and you need a comparison between Becky engine and Steve Austin from when he. Was was to heal became the baby face back in. What was it ninety seven or whatever it was. You know, the the the the parallels are absolutely there was completely organic it was it was fan fan made. If you know what I mean, and yeah, it just it it it absolutely is not will say, it's not undermining is absolutely deservably these streets. That's yeah. Exactly. It's it's a little because sometimes when they've done the women's matches. It's has seen like, okay. You know, they have to push the women the same way. But it's absolutely oh got it. Like, for example. There was a match. They did it was the hell in the cell and Boston a couple years ago, and they put Sachdeva and stroll it on lash last and the other match was Rawlins versus Kevin Scholla's with Jared goes like the key holder. And there is no way that Charlotte and Sasha should've gone last other than the fact that they wanted to do something different arm, destroyed theirs. And they'll they'll tell you that happened this year. That's not the case. This is the real deal these girls these women these performers go on last whether the girls are guys are martians. They had the best angle and last night tomorrow night, whatever you're listening to on the time space continuum was the best and. On raw which I've never seen before. We're Becky gets arrested. Then Rhonda gets arrested then Charlotte gets arrested. Then they all start fighting the cop cars, and you get the internet nerves going. Well, how could they be free wrestler sunny shut up? It's show business. You dumb idiots. It was. So great though. Yeah. It is. Absolutely. Any really was. It was just like I felt the same sort of the same sort of feeling it was back in ninety seven hundred ninety eight with with with Austin. He wasn't. He was getting arrested by security by police and stuff. It was. It was great. You know, I love to is that I was mixed laughing wrestling fans so up in arms wanna perform does something to piss them off. When Rhonda was talking about her. How her stuff was real? And how else's stuff is like, you know, previously bullshit and people get so mad. It's disrespect the business. Shut up. It's show business. She's getting reaction. She's listening for an eliciting. Monce? Would you say it? Yeah. Same realistic. Response from the fans, I think Rhonda's did a great job. She took to pro wrestling like a like, a frog to water is that we say whatever fish to water. Would you call me? No, she took to wrestling. Like a mouse to Jack Slade face. What? Yeah. Yeah. That's it. We're gonna kill you on a C N A couple weeks on. But here's the question. Oh, who's gonna win? Here's the thing. If it was if it was a couple of weeks ago, and I it would have been it would have been Becky hands down. But the fact that they just had Charlotte win the smack downs. The now the belt Junkin ships strap the other. This not while while. While while while and it'd be. Is. Yeah. And they're on the cruise. Yeah. I'm not sure where that led us. But whatever we're talking about there's a cruise, and there's a main event we're trying to figure out who's going to win the main event. That's that's it. Well, yeah. A couple of weeks ago. Becky Becky straightaway. But the fact that Sean is one the other one the other belt, I it could go either way. But I still think it's going to be assumed thing. They have to do. And and do Becky no she has to win. I'm gonna go with Becky because that's the way it's been going since day one. And I'm also going to say that if Becky does not win and there's a swerve. And they give it to Rhonda that Seth will be Brock one of the two. You have Sears is going to lose and the other is going to win. So if you're watching this card, and you see the Brock listener Seth match and Brock wins. Then you know, Ron is losing if Brock loses. Then you know, Rhonda's gonna win they're gonna go another month. And that's the thing. You never know. What's going to happen in the deputy? You never know. That's right. Anything can happen in the world. Wrestling federation. Exactly, I think it's going to be a great show. I think could be sold out. I know it sold out ready as a big place to sell out. It is it is we we were there before I had actually had a ticket to go to the show that was two men came. And black suits and sunglasses and requested my ticket. I asked why. And they told me to shut up the handcuff me made me stand in the corner. Look at the walls, they ransacked my house stole my wrestlemainia tickets. And as as I saw them leave. I saw what looked like a Pat Patterson written on the back of his briefcase. I'm not sure, but I can't go, but I'm hoping to watch it Jack. But if I can't if somehow my transmission gets a scrambled. I'm hoping that you watch it and give me a report. That's right. I will what I'll do is them instead of Texan you because they can tap into phone lines. I'll just write you letters. So you pretty going to find out the results of it late old, brother letters. That's the way to do it. Absolutely. I'm gonna see you because we're going to be working together for the love of wrestling in Liverpool. Yeah. Absolutely. Some the was it April twenty. Tell me April twenty-seventh, Jack. And I be there. Jack will be the keeper of the ice. We'll be signing autographs hanging out with all the fine people from not just Liverpool Jack. But all over Europe everywhere. That's right. Yeah. It's it's a big deal. There's a big lineup because but you know, the as far as. As far as important something Europe day as as one of the most important, there's another since system allowed to to to watch wrestlemainia, I've just happy that enable to still be involved in the wrestling business until may twenty fifth when it's all wrestling's debut double or nothing in Las Vegas. We sold out in four minutes. Jack twelve thousand tickets, you know, who's never done that. The deputy. That's right. Why done it sell out MetLife stadium for wrestlemainia? I'm really watching because listen you can't kill my rock and roll as the guys from hardcore superstar used to say, they still do say it. I think they said the question for you as rebound to five percent talk about coming under the wire, Peru how much of the tequila the drink, Jack. Two months. Just horrible. Well, I'm glad you know, what the proud of ourselves that we could still actually understand this. Although I think we thought we understand it last year too. We did we did. I still remember the way we were sitting in the bus and it. Yeah. I really I I remember thinking at the time. We did a good job. We listening to back. Absolutely not. Oh, wait before asked last question because remember the undertaker gong. Okay. So designer take your making appearance. Ooh. And what is John CENA doing for to any any? Predictions. The progressives gives the predictions. God. Thing is going to do something. I say Elias comes down starts singing sina com. Only a battle rap with them. Do you think that that could make sense? What else makes Jews could have a match, right? Always knew bloody power the fist on this thing. Isn't it all but his hair is so bad? I would I would just lose watching his hair. Yeah. Yeah. Undertaker's undertaker for the first time in twenty three twenty four years, not making appearance wrestlemainia. I mean, I don't know if it's nothing he doesn't fit in. This thing list of some kind of like, you know, wiz Khalifa comes down and starts talking shit about Debbie and undertake comes out choke slams them, resulting that would be cool. Wait a second way to second. I've while I've gotten great now. I wish I could pull this up instantly. Can what what you thinking I'm thinking? Okay. So you guys go back and counts because I can't do that right now. I'm thinking there's twenty nine guys in the men's battle royale full five six seven eight nine ten eleven twelve thirty point today. Sixteen seventeen eighteen hundred twenty Syria jury five or six or seven twenty eight twenty nine thirty thirty so phone or thirty announced. Well, unless I counted realm, you might be twenty nine twenty nine just for the sake. Yeah. Ten pretend it might be. There's. Twenty nine Colin Jost, Michael J or the last. Well. Bronzed Romans out in the corner because die a and d beat him up wrinkled chase twenty eight colon. Joe's is twenty nine. They're scared. They don't know what to do. They're standing there. They're trying to live there. Poking Braun strowman number thirty hundred comes down choke slams Collins, Jay and Michael coast throws them out of the ring. And then there's a showdown Braun strowman versus the undertaker bamboo bamboo bamboo bamboo Braunstone throws out the undertaker to win the battle, Royal. That's how you do it, man. Come on. I mean. Yeah. That's all right. That's a right. All right. Is that is that? All right. Or is that excitement? No, I'm I'm very excited as I'm sure you can tell them my tone. But it's. Yeah. I would think. I think he's going to do something in win. No. He's gonna win. Why would they win? It doesn't make sense. What else do you wouldn't put them in a impromptu match put him in the battle Royal have do the stared on with Braun strowman? I don't think I've ever done that before. True. True. True. Well, it was an yeah, I'm gonna I don't know that I know I know is is going to be Liverpool who is all under figures and some ally. So we'll use right. Oh my God. Y'all gonna eliminate take in Liverpool? Yes. Yeah. We we we should invite him to the Beatles tribute. And then we can eliminate them together. We'll like throw out the front door unlock it time travel. All right last question that we have two percent left on our phone when I do our. I mean, mine what's. But what do you think is the best match is going to be the show? Stealer show. Stealer. Is the women's is probably going to be. Yes. I particularly good. Yeah. I think it's going to be that or it could even be teaching triple eight. I was gonna be good by far. I tease the jubilation you'll be number two. And I think O Joe smile smile someo Joe and register will be the unseen here. No match for that one as well. That also Brian and Kofi that's going to be pretty good. Yeah. Well, yeah. This is going to be a great show. It's wrestlemainia one of my favorite shows of the year. I wish I could be there. But I'm not and I'm going to be watching Jack. And when it's done you, and I will never think about this conversation again, but other people will and they're going to tell us who won the predictions sentiment in at talk is Jericho on the Twitter, and let us know who did better Jack Slater myself. And if you're in the Liverpool area on April twenty-seventh come on down jock. And I will be there. We'll be hanging out signing autographs taking pictures going to Beatles. Tributes having a couple tales eating a couple of Crump, tea and trumpets. Whatever you got. We'll be happy to do. It. Sounds good to me. All right, Jack. Thanks, my man. It's been it's been a pleasure. It's been it's been a pleasure. Never a chore. Yes. Right. Thank you English, Saint wrap this up top of the mall to you know. Oh, so Irish. Dust. Yeah. Okay. Mind the gap and spending whistle. What is it? Mine. Mine mind, the gap them, spin, the whistle. The spin whistle me. Sorry, you'll have reached the number that has been disconnected or is no longer in service. If you feel you have reached this recording an error, please check the number and try your call again. Podcast network.

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Cowboys Hoy: Mike McCarthy y Analytics en 2020

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M. Mooneyham & Top Wrestling Matches

Busted Open

00:00 sec | 5 months ago

M. Mooneyham & Top Wrestling Matches

"Don't know Siriusxm. Listen Up Commercial, free music plus sports comedy, talk and news. They have it. All a lot of people think you need a car to enjoy Sirius Xm, but you don't. You can listen outside the car right now. You can get your first three months of Sirius, Xm outside the car for free. Just go to Sirius Xm dot com slash busted to see offer details and to subscribe. You can listen on your phone at home and online. That's serious. EPSOM DOT com slash busted offer available to new Sirius Xm streaming subscribers series Xm. No car required. This is the busted open. podcast you can listen to the full show Monday through Saturday from nine am to noon eastern on Sirius Xm. Channel One fifty six. Welcome to the busted open podcast. This is Dave Greco. Today's episode, the Innovator of violence, the landlord of the House of Hardcore Tommy Dreamer and I talk the greatest wrestling matches of all time. We're getting ready for backlash where we're GONNA. See Edge and Randy, or in what they claim to be going to be the greatest wrestling match of all time Tom and I talk about our top five greatest wrestling matches of all time, and what goes in to having the greatest. Greatest wrestling match of all time also we lost a legend Mr Wrestling to passed on at the age of eighty five. We talk about him and with both topics we talked to pro wrestling historian. Mike Mooney Ham right now on the bus at open podcast. We do have to talk about something. Because News is breaking right now and as much as we're both so so happy to be on the air together we've we just learned the passing of another wrestling legend. This morning that it's breaking and does so David. You Go! You're the guy who talks. Yeah somebody who you know. I watched a lot of. As a child and somebody who was featured a lot in the wrestling magazines and that's Mr Wrestling too I got the news from you Tommy this morning. A Bill Apter tweeted about the NWEA tweeted about it, and it seems like we lost a legend Mr Wrestling two has passed away. Yeah man and when I tell you the same thing. I loved Mr Wrestling number two. He was one of my faves growing up as a kid watching him from Georgia championship wrestling, and you know, follow him in the wrestling magazines Gordon solely always. Putting him over a million dollar knee lift I love. Love loved what they did with him and Magnum ta in. Mid South where he became like magnum Ta's. Teacher. And Mentor, and training, him and Magnum. You know and him one the titles and I kinda wanted it was doing that with Tessa, blanchard in impact, wrestling and A. Man mistrusted him to that Neil left justice style. was watching him the other night, and he just did such amazing things in the ring, and how they put over his knee lift was just amazing and Gordon solely. I always remember him saying and this was when he was president and You know it was in their laughter's magazine. President Jimmy Carter's favorite wrestler and there was a picture of him getting headlocked by Jimmy Carter and it was on like every resume magazine that iconic, white and black mask and made all the robes for the wrestlers, but he was I. Mean I could talk to you for days about Mr Number Two Yeah and and now is what I was GonNa say I remember Gordon solely with would talk about that. Jimmy Carter's favorite wrestler was Mr Wrestling too, and it was always in the in the in the wrestling. Magazines in. You're right. That iconic picture of Jimmy Carter and Mr Wrestling too, and you know unfortunately, and this is one of the things that pissed me off and I don't know if you remember this Tommy. But Probably my last memories of Mr Wrestling, too. Is You know when WWF went national in one, thousand, nine, hundred, eighty, four, they signed to Mr Wrestling too, and just like what we saw with mad dog Schon and Tony Korea at the end of his career like he was more enhancement talent in his run with the WWF and. that. Really upset me because mister wrestling to was somebody that was iconic. Remember him amid southward. You know Magnum ta like that. That was somebody that was like on a on a different plane, so that really upset me when he went over to the WWF later in his career. I do too, and that was also the era of the body. Guys starting. Yeah, L. Up and you know he was, he did. He was an older man. I'm watching his stuff. In mid Salva. This was after Georgia and he was in his fifties. Which is basically my age now and I'm just like Whoa. 'cause the way he would move an Arab searcy. I'm just watching his whole feud with. The Midnight Express and They laid him out. They Jim Cornet. They're trying to get a towel. Just the progression of this whole angles is phenomenal and I. Highly recommend you watch his stuff on the W network. You can find it all in one thousand, nine, hundred eighty. Three eighty, four and former, north, American heavyweight champion another great angle, and if you ever find it at. The? Whole episode on Youtube is Georgia Championship wrestling, and they were supposed to have Tommy rich replace timer supposed to fight ric flair and Austin. Idol comes in and Austin. Idol basically placed a bounty because a lot of baby face real got bounties placed on us and. Austin idol put the Las Vegas leg lock on Tommy Rich tied it with his belt. Tommy's got a knee injury. He can't compete at the Omni and on that same card. The way they did IT MR number two steps up and like Ric flair act like well I'm not gonNA. Face anybody because I have no. person to be there. and Mr Number two stepped up and when you feel that like Mr Number, two was going to become the end every world champion. It was just magical television all built up with interviews in ring and they tore it up in the whole, the legacy of the mask which I I love, and you know we haven't seen. A masked wrestler in the US, and come along that way like maybe except for like a ray mysterious the the. The mass still has such great lineage in Mexico, I wish it had that same lineage here. You have Pentagon and Phoenix but. They're not at that Ramos. Stereo level about the whole thing was a masked wrestler couldn't hold. The NWEA championship, and it was just so if he ever won, it had to unmask and. Always you could watch. Even having some enhancement matches in mid south. A guy went after his mask. He would go ballistic on this dude and so many angles were just setup of hey. I'm going to try to rip his mask off and a few times they did, and someone ran with a towel or covered up his face and a lot of people I remember talking with Jim Cornet saying. It was in a Walmart, and this older gentleman kept saying. Hey Jimmy Jimmy cornets thing he's GonNa have to fight somebody in a Walmart. Because it was a fan, and he goes it. Was Mr Wrestling number two? Without his mask and they were like twenty miles outside of town. Any worker program with them for almost a year and did not know what the guy looked like. And he would shower with the mask was just old school with that mentality, keeping his identity secret even though. He basically wrestled for a long time without a mask, but he kept his identity secret and man, he will be missed for many many wrestling fans from. Many many generations how he performed I. Believe you only Russell Asmus restaurant to for about eighteen years. But. It was an impactful eighteen years. And you and I just recently you can get it on the siriusxm busted open podcast, and also on demand on the Sirius Xm. APP Tommy you and I just recently did our top ten feuds of all time show as one of the specialty shows at nine am and this show this this feud was listed, but it's definitely one of the most impactful feuds, and that's the the few data Mr Wrestling. With Magnum ta in mid, south I I remember. For a brief time on TBS, getting mid south wrestling, and you know Mr. Wrestling to was magnum Ta as Mentor, and he was teaching them and had all those vignettes where you know. He's he's running behind them a magnum on the bike and you know and Mr Wrestling to on the bike and magnum running behind him and and then. He turned and that was one of the best feuds I believe that was like one, thousand, nine, hundred, eighty, three, going into nineteen eighty-four, and you know a lot of people don't know about Mr Wrestling to for a lot of the reasons that you mentioned going back. You know thirty five forty years ago, his heyday forty years ago, his mask was extremely simple, just black and white nothing nothing glitzy nothing glamorous about his mask, but he was just that old school, philosophy wrestler, and you know, and here of his passing it brought back a lot of memories and I. I hope people go back like you said once. This show is over. Go to wwe network and see some of his old matches. Some of his old moments he had a lot of unique movements They used to call him at times, the rubberband man like even go and lock up with the guy and he would the way he would get out of it. You would do this weird little neck twitch, stance thing, and or someone will put him in a headlock, and he would just like move his head and his shoulders and be able to get out of it. I only met the man once when you're talking about that mid South training. I remember in. Because it was so bad, it was great. They were in a barn and they're trying to Mr Sim to. They're holding up a bale of like rice. or he knows rice or hey and Mr Magnum ta as come runs and he's hitting the bag. To, try to. pop it and show and Mr SNL. more in the hips. She got to explode with your hips. He does it twice, and then they switch it, and it was with Jim Ross, and then they switch it, and they're holding this bag and here comes magnum Ta and he hits his knee lift, and the bag breaks, and all like either the hair, the rice start falling on the floor and they're like. Wow, it was just. He did it amazing thing by popping this big with just one strike, and but his neely, his knee lift was special I. Mean you would do I get so many frigging feuds or him tagging with the Junkyard Dog. And then the whole stagger Lee Angle. Because you know now we have two masked wrestlers. Imon Ted. He had an amazing feud for the North American title he was. What you had said with. Him and magnum, it was played perfectly because it was the younger guy on the rise and the season veteran feeling that this guy is. Taking all the spotlight from the stuff. He taught him and leaving Mr Sim to behind was just superbly done and I know we've when we did a lot of the territories and Ted. Debut, Ozzy talked about it. There was so many things that bill watts did. Drop little hints about stuff like this. And at first you never saw coming because they were great cohesive unit, but that's how you make money and to be such a beloved baby face for so long, and then determine he'll and be hated, but he's also if you about it, he was doing his job of getting that next generational talent over, and what a job he did on magnum, Ta. Soccer is a passion that goes beyond the sport and Sirius Xm ABC's podcast more than game brings that passion to you. You put. Any episode. FC's panel of experts take a deep dive into club histories iconic grounds. Rivalries and so much more this nothing like adobe diametric to new episodes are available weekly by downloading the Pandora and searching more than a game. And if I made a list of my top ten favorite wrestling matches, you would probably hear me talk about Kevin. Von Erich Chris Adams at the Cotton Bowl but when we talk about greatest wrestling matches. Let me ask you Tommy and you know I came up with a list of my top five. Greatest wrestling matches that I'll. I'll give next hour I know you made a list of your top three. Wrestling matches of all time I've asked the nation to give us their top three greatest wrestling matches of all time, so Tommy let me ask you. What constitutes a great wrestling match when you think of the greatest wrestling matches when you're coming up with your list? What were the main ingredients to be put on that list? I think it is. Cards subject to change because everyone. You can never have the greatest of anything because of. Everyone else is going to argue with it. because. It's what they deemed as something that was great and. Like so much, and I asked the nation when I tweeted out. Just because like they jog my memory and some people were like Jimmy Snuka versus Dom Morocco. which was so influential to me. Mick Foley Bully Ray because of when Jimmy finally jumped off that cage or I've had some matches like me. Personally I was like man I love so many of my matches. I went with this on the specifics of. A great wrestling match would be between two wrestlers in the sense of when you know for me. I always had that hardcore brawling style, and I would not consider myself having like a Matt Classic though a have had a few. But. It's you have to be two or if we go old school, scientific wrestlers, no use of chairs. No Gimmick matches. None of that stuff should be in there. That's why I said it's card subject to change because some people like you know, said Mick Foley Versus Undertaker Helen Sell Yeah that is an amazing iconic match, but I'm just talking wrestling match where there's just two guys going at it in the ring and doing their art form of professional wrestling. I would look at something on paper where I would say ricocheted verses Will Osprey could be one of the greatest wrestling matches of all time. Don't know forever, see it. But Because they would just go out there and Russell and they would do, but then people would say oh, it's it's too high fliers or two guys do in spots. It doesn't really matter I. Mean when I seriously. I was going through this list I was thinking one of the greatest tag much I've ever seen. And I said this before was The young bucks is on a ring of Truecar, Card. And they couldn't perform on the pay per view. It was the young bucks versus the aunts and one was orange cassidy, and the other one was Sammy's Zane and I seriously sat there and I was like. This is one of the greatest tag match I've ever seen. And went on I on the show, and it was just like an. You're talking to me. Who has seen so many great wrestling matches, and I know like There's there's just I just went out for too pure. Guys or girls going out there and wrestling like, and it should now that I'm saying it should have been added to my list, but it's not like Charlotte versus Oscar Wrestlemainia two years ago, those two women went out there and had the best pure wrestling match of the night. And that's how I did it where it's no, and then if you go back and look at it like if you go because I know one of the matches on your. List I'm not going to say what it is, but like back in the day A. Bully have thought about it for so long. Guys will go to the floor, and sometimes at ten count was legit other times they'd be on the floor for two to three minutes hitting each other with a chair hitting all this. You know using the microphone wire and it was considered like legal like if you don't make. Don't point it out as the announcers, and it's okay. That's kind of what we did in EC-. W, it was like anything goes, and we did have rules in a company. That was this extreme style, but we never went well. He's on the floor for seventeen minutes fighting through the crowd. Who just a this is what we do. We don't have to explain it because it's just implied I just watched literally chief Jay strongbow wrestle in enhancement guy through over the top rope. Right in front of Dick Wurley hit him with a chair three times through into the post. Choke them with the microphone chief Jay. BE, baby face. It was a horrible and this enhancement match, and they were on the floor for at least two minutes. And I was like okay, and this is. Because they kept talking about the it should be account out, but anyway back to the greatest match I just did it in the style of two. Wrestlers going out there and tearing it up with wrestling and dude I was going as far back as like the there's a match I've seen on Youtube. It was in Uw F-i and both guys are in their fifties. You can look it up. Nick Bob Winkle versus Billy Robinson. It was the realist match I've ever seen. And those two guys look like they were stretching the hell hr, and they probably wrestled probably two hundred times, and they're both in their fifties, and these two guys look like they just had a straight up wrestling match or Harley, race versus Terry. Terry funk. You could find that on Youtube where you can find that. On the NWEA collection. Two out of three falls where it was just tight, snug wrestling holds, and they went two out of three, and they kept my attention, and I just watched this match over the over the winter for the first time, and it was I'm just sitting there watching not because I'm an old I I looked at it through. My my wrestler is and I was like wow, this match still holds up today. You know what Tommy I'm glad and again you know the parameters. The individual can set you know when you think of the greatest wrestling matches of all time Mike. Tommy's talking about that pure pro wrestling in the vein of I guess what they're trying to have come across on Sunday, backlash between edge and Randy your when I think of greatest wrestling matches. Obviously I'm talking about the in ring action and the pure wrestling style that would take place in that match, but also i. kind of went a little bit further than that. Tommy I when I was thinking about those of those matches I was thinking of matches that have a long lasting memory to it. It and there's every match that I put on my list. You know people would instantly be able to think of right off the top of their head, because that's how influential that match was. I have some matches that go back to the eighties. I have matches that were just from a couple years ago, but there's a major influence to match again a match that is brought up when you talk about the greatest wrestling matches I think that a match that has a legacy to it. I think a match that has influenced to it and I think a match you know, Y, you know. Change, the way that people watch pro wrestling so I kind of thought of those aspects when I came up with my list of the greatest wrestling matches of all time. The Rock show iron. Mike Tyson. Iconic name gave us the post on instagram and twitter. No caption needed I mean I. I would love to hear him. Speak on it, but I appreciate the post I think is so important. Being kneeled says at all you know, but People WanNa hear your words. People want to know what's what's on your mind Mike. You know you such an iconic figure we love to hear you speak Greek Day twelve to one pm eastern only on Sirius. Xm Fire Nation Channel One fifty six. As we get closer to backlash on Sunday, we're GONNA. See Edge and Randy or already already. It the greatest wrestling match of all time. a lot of pressure, but we'll see what happens on Sunday and we WANNA. Get the nation's top three greatest wrestling matches of all time as well eight, seven, seven, three, four, four, four, eight, nine, three, eight, seven seven fight ninety three. If you can fight, you call, and before we get back to the bus, it open nation Tommy Tommy Tommy. Why don't you give the nation? And this is somebody that not only is one of the most iconic wrestlers of all time, and it was involved in one of the greatest pro wrestling feuds of all time with these W, but his also a pro wrestling fan and historian, so Tommy who just changed his hat from an Atlanta Hawks at two New York. Yankees Cap Tommy, one. It's unbelievable why you fucking fraud. Why don't you give us your top three greatest wrestling matches of all time? Well, Dave. You really kind of screwed me up here and just like the caller said I'm rethinking everything, and this is also a mets at night Yankee sat whatever and. I'M GONNA say. Here's why I didn't know because that is black and gray. The last I saw that the colors for the New York mets are blue and orange, not black and gray. Day You go now. He's got a New York. Yankees cap the classic New York Yankees Cap and again for all the fraud that say they're Gangqi fans, and they walk around with jerseys that have the name audit last I checked Yankees don't have names on the back of their jerseys but I digress, go ahead Tommy so glad you don't harbor any of that. Greg nettles and Rick. CERRONE hatred after all these years. Well I got a I like I. Said My. If this was historic matches, I would have a completely other list and I would put like Sean and this is a whole other show this for next week. Paulie blanchard and Magnum ta I quit match because it was an iconic I quit mattress show on versus razor in a ladder match or Helena sell. I would go that route, but I went with pure wrestling matches, and now I wanna change them all because I don't really like you right now. Nobody mill, but Tommy if that's your if that's your criteria, that's fine like. I don't think that's me up and I five, not three. Thanks for reading my list. No but you. You pick five, but you tweet it out top three. You tweeted that out to the fans where the hosts. All Right, so give me your top five. Moreover than than the nation, just for one second hell are you can meet, and moreover than us are I can meet your top five honorable mention, Bret Hart vs Davey Boy Smith Summer Slam became just great wrestling match, and that finish for a lot of wrestlers they'll say Brett Davey boy finish, and it still holds today aright. Number five Brat versus Owen at Wrestlemainia and I say it because it was just a great wrestling match, it was shocking and further the storyline and it's showed the world. What a great talent! Everybody knew Owen Hart was but him to get that victory over his brother was just. Unreal and shocking to start off Wrestlemainia. The next one saw it live, and when I went, because this was pure wrestling list, and it was there last night, and he c w, D Milenko versus Eddie Guerrero. It was amazing, and it was such a great wrestling match, especially during where we had all this blood, guts and violence, everyone spoke about this great scientific wrestling match. It was also a hybrid between Japanese style and Lucia Lebron Way, and both guys just really really shined I liked it so much. I hit the ring without a shirt on and pick both guys up I went topless for that one. The next one, even though I just watched it. And I didn't like the finish, but the fans liked it, and at the time I said it was the greatest match of all time. And it was because of all the false finishes. Ricky the dragon steamboat versus randy savage. and. That was just because of the time they went out the it's an iconic as the greatest match of all time. Then this one was way different, but again because I was such a mark for him and at that time. They went the our. Sting versus ric flair on the first ever clash of champions, and it didn't know about all the back and forth are I was pissed. I had set up my to VCR's to record both shows, but this match was iconic for me because I saw two guys wrestle for an hour on national television, and I just thought it was amazing. My. I have two number ones, but one doesn't count because there's only about fifteen to eighteen thousand people that saw, and I'm talking to the other person who was there. Ric flair versus Ricky steamboat at the meadowlands. Yep, no one's ever seen that match, but I remember it. Moments of it. And I told you I. Always tell you this. My father, who had five masters, said I don't know about the rest of them, but with that, those two guys did was real. and. It's an amazing memory for me because it was me and my father watching professional wrestling and it held to people's. Attention for close to an hour, and it was just an amazing match, but since nobody else saw it except me Dave. And a couple of friends. I can't really put it on the list and this will get. Everyone pissed off but I. don't care because I looked at this match as a wrestler and I looked at this match as a wrestling fan and I dubbed it. The perfect wrestling match. and. was. Ninety nine point nine percent perfect. Okada versus Omega at what was wrestle wrestle. Kingdom eleven. And it was to me the perfect wrestling match for this generation. And when I say this generation, because you have to watch wrestling differently as opposed to. How used to watch all matches, because sometimes you go back and watch old matches and be like Oh that was horrible, and yes, some of it was or go back and watch match like Oh my God. That was great for its time. So. The business changes and you have to change and adapt with it, and if my pick for Okada versus Kenya Mega as the best wrestling match of all time makes anyone upset. Cool that's my opinion and I'm standing by and I appreciate every single wrestling match ever watched some horrible some great. Yeah and sell any of the lists and I I. Mean I can talk about so many more. But we're that's for like next week show. Now and I guess there is kind of like the difference, and you can say this music to like my taste in music compl- can be completely different than your taste in music, neither one of us is wrong. You know you could have I think this is the greatest song of all time could be different. How can you be wrong? It's about taste, but I think when you look at certain matches that we're going to be talking about today. I think there's a lot of matches that we can agree on. And Honestly Tommy. There are some repeats from your list on my list and you know this is. What's that? I said shocking. We we share the same brain now, but I looked at the list a little bit differently because you're looking at a lot of the pure wrestling in. For me, it's more about the story that's being told in the ring. One match that I'll use as an honorable mention is a match that we saw about a year ago. Tom and that was cody Rhodes and gold dust, you know. Cody Rhodes in Dustin Rhodes at double or nothing for a e W. I mean that match the story that cody and Dustin gave us in Las Vegas a double or nothing. Nothing and I was there for it. was was just absolutely amazing as a matter of fact when I saw cody, you know after after that match. And he still had blood all over my add I add to give them a hug. 'cause. That's how much that I really love that match and just a fantastic story that was told in the ring that night. So that's one of my honorable mentions. But hang on if I had to pick ten. I had that one and I also had cody versus nick eldest for the. Title because I, was there live and just the the atmosphere and they had great matches, and you know the stories that were told. I would I had them for top ten I would have had the cody Dustin match at seven right behind. The Brett versus Davey boy. No get and this is if this was a top ten. You know this would be on. This is my. This is my number six on my to for me. You know if somebody who's been watching wrestling for forty years to say a match that I just saw a year ago. Is Number six on the top ten list of all the greatest matches that I've been able to see in my lifetime as a fan is telling something, and and maybe this is another show. Show that we could do Tommy because you mentioned all in, we could talk about the greatest show that we have ever seen. Because all in is going to be near the top of my list when you look at top to bottom that show, and how it really changed the perception of pro wrestling, and how really changed wrestling in two thousand and twenty two way we watch wrestling right now. You can go back to all in and how that stemmed a W, but go back to my list of. Of the top five greatest wrestling matches of all time and I know this is a match that would be on your list, and you didn't have in your top five for the reasons that you explained, but you did mention it, and that is Magnum ta and totally Blanchard, the I quit match in the steel cage that cage at stockade, and again it's because of the story that was told and the pure hatred that magnum had for Tully Blanchard. I mean you know to have that piece of would. Would just inching towards Tully Blanchard's I and knew that it was about to be plugged. Magnum TA. Is the baby phase in this match, which may tully Blanchard yell out. I quit in the middle of that ring. I mean it's to me. That is the greatest star cade match of all time, and there were a lot of great stark matches when you look at Ricky steamboat and Jay youngblood against a brisk at Stark eighty-three. You know the gathering of you know with ric flair and dusty Rhodes. The the night of the Sky Walkers with the road warriors in the midnight. Express but I think that match was degraded stargate match of all time, and is number five on my list, a match that was high on your list, and it's number four and a lot of people will disagree, and they would think that the match that they had at dominion was actually better, but when you look at it being wrestle kingdom, you look at you, know forty thousand fans in attendance. I agree with you. Okada and Kenya Omega from Wrestle Kingdom Eleven in January of two thousand and seventeen is number four on my list. The, top three Tommy and bully would go absolutely nuts if he heard this. My top three are all ric flair matches at number. Three is flair and steamboat classic champions in one thousand, nine, hundred eighty nine to me, the the the best match of their three that they had in eighty nine ric flair and ricky steamboat at wrestle war in May of one, thousand, nine, hundred, eighty, nine and my number, one Tommy, and to me is the greatest wrestling match of all time, and there's many different reasons why I feel that this is the greatest wrestling match of all time number one. It changed the landscape of pro wrestling. Number two when you look at their my if I make a list of my top five wrestlers of all time, this is my number, one and my number, two of my top five wrestlers of all time the commentators for this match Tommy. Jim Ross and Gordon solely. The two greatest commentators in the history of pro you see the theme ear. The referee for this match to me was the greatest referee of all time and Tommy Young. And it's. Rick Flair and Terry Funk. I quit match to me for all those reasons I say my number, one and number two wrestler of all time, my number one in my number, two commentators of all time, my number, one referee of all time, and then again just a match. That was a classic and. A lot of people. Bring up this match, but they don't really think it's giving. It's just deserve that is Terry. FUNK and Ric flair I quit. I'm going to have to go back and watch it because I saw it on your list I. Remember Not Liking the match, and that's when we say it's and it wasn't because like I hated. Terry funk wasn't a Terry Funk Fan. Because you know I love dusty Rhodes so much. and. I didn't appreciate Terry until I, got into wrestling just to how great he truly is. But I'm going to have to go back and watch MSG remember where the match took place by Troy new. York, such a good fan. And here's the thing to Tommy. Go back and watch that match and everybody it's on. It's on the network. The Way Terry funk cells ric flair's chops. Sounds simple, but it's a work of our. You know ric flair's anger like the you know Gary. Hart was Terry Funk's reference, the way Gary Hart, and because you know, we always say that Gary Hart dinner really do a great job of bumping her out what he would get it. You Go back and watch Gary Hart in that match. You know. Ric flair wanted Terry funk's handshake the the way that they shook hands at the end of that match Boy a lot went in and a great story coming out of Flair and steamboat, going in to that match the crowd the way the crowd is into that match. You know somebody who's GonNa kill this somebody who I think is completely underrated as doubts at Gary, Michael Kapeta was the ring announcer for that match a just. A masterpiece and I. Believe I could be wrong so if he's listening. Please call in and correct me, but I believe Billy Corgan. President of the NWEA believe he feels. This was the greatest wrestling match of all time, so I could be wrong. We'll have to get billy corgan on the talk about that, but that's my. That's my top five Tommy. Well like I said I'm going to go back and watch. I'm going to walk lease Russell number two today, but I'm going to go back I. Mean it was an iconic match? And if you I also laugh because I think about how wrestlers and wrestling, people think that like after the good matches, this new hybrid style or strong style that we shake hands after the match, and even though we have this big feud, or or it's a big I remember arguing with Paulie afterwards when I wrestled cw Anderson and I his hand and it was just called on the fly and polls like you should not have done that and he was. Was pissed and it's still brought up today and people act like it's this newer thing and here we're talking about ric flair versus Terry Funk, and I remember when you describe it. I remembered it like wow, that was something different and unique, but every sport either watching so many NHL documentaries and guys who were literally fighting each other for real, giving each other punch to the face at the end of the Stanley Cup game seven, and then they have to stand in the winners are celebrating. The losers have to stand there and guys that they just handed them their ass, and they are the champions. They're the losers. Shake hands afterwards. Your home for all things come sports is Sirius. XM fire nation start. Your Day with Hall of fame pro wrestling talk on busted open these men and women that build the business and the barracks keeps you up to date on all things. Boxing boxing is the fear of unexpected and. Lou Thomas. Has You covered for mixed? Martial Art Hogan is the most important influence in all. The fight name broken down like nowhere else only on Sirius Xm fi nascent fifty-six. And just a few moments Mike Mooney Ham has pro wrestling. Historian is going to be joining us going to talk a little Mr Wrestling to going to talk about the top greatest wrestling matches of all time, and I think kind of cool as well Tommy as I. Think with Mike. We can take. Some phone calls with the bus open Asian. I'm normally do that with guests, but I think with somebody like Mike Mooney Ham that waited eleven and a half years to finally join us here on busted open I think for a first time guest. Why not take some phone calls with them? And Dave, that song that we just brought in I got to witness Robin Damn versus Jerry Lynn for a lot of people. It's been on their list. They had some amazing pure wrestling matches I. be remissed to talk about Bam? Bam, bigelow vs Robin had some amazing matches I've been blessed in Y love. This business so much is because I never took for. For granted that beauty that I was seeing each and every week of stuff in EC W and you know it just made me a bigger fan of the industry, because just like the Times where with eighty w. we wanted to see something different, and now we're seeing something different and all the town that keeps on stepping up. I can't put over enough of. Men and women in this industry especially during these times you know what the fans have been absolutely amazing During the show today we got a full bank of phone calls. We are now. We brought in an extra two lines. Tommy we are actually now eleven callers deep as soon as one hangs up. Another one calls in eight, seven, seven, three, four, four, four, eight, nine, three, eight, seven, seven, five, ninety, three, and I'm very excited about our next guest, Tommy, because he has never appeared on busted open before, and I love his work, you. You know author historian. I follow him on social media. He constantly reminds me of you. Know, and this date you know in one, thousand, nine, hundred, seventy two. This title changed hands. He's he's an amazing historian and I think for the two topics that we've talked about on today's show with the passing of Mr Wrestlemainia I'm sorry. Mr Wrestling, too, and then, of course, the greatest wrestling matches of all time I love to get the perspective of a true historian, and definitely a legend in this business, and that's Mike Mooney Ham. Sir, how are you today? Under on, thank you for that really nice production. No and I think you really do a phenomenal job on social media You've definitely embrace social media in a in a big way and I think a lot of fans appreciate that and first and foremost The news came down early this morning and you know. Bill, Apter first reported in Tommy and I talked about at the start off today. Show you know. We lost a legend MR wrestling, too. Well Yeah I. Mean That was? That was crushing when I woke up this morning to that news. you know one thing I can say about Johnny Walker. He really lived. He lived a great life. Such a legendary performer he meant so much to the wrestling business I. Don't know if there's a fan today and who hasn't seen a MR wrestling number to match, or you know hasn't heard about it. in such a great guy to you know not just not just as a performer. But as a man, he was You know. Incidentally he was. He was born right here in Charleston South Carolina I don't know. A lot of people knew that. But he was born in Saint Francis. Hospital. In Charleston it doesn't exist anymore as A. Probably Forty years at least. That's That's where he got his middle name John Francis Walker born born at Saint Francis Hospital in Charleston. He didn't live here very long. It was his, dad was in the Marines, and and they moved around quite a bit, but he actually was born in Charleston, so that was You know a little local importance But You know. What can you say about a guy who who meant so much to wrestling fans particularly in this part of the country? I don't think I. Can ever remember guy more popular in Georgia back in the seventies and Mr Wrestling number two. And He's certainly going to be you know just another legend and we don't have many legends from that era era left so. You know it's a tough pill to swallow, but I know he's in a better place now and I know every day he was. Just, looking forward to the day in Libya. Would reunite. Mike I'm looking over this book, and I've had it for a while and I kind of considered one of the bibles when it comes. To the history of pro wrestling, and it's your heroes and icons book that was released a few years back which I absolutely love and I use as a reference point on this show many many times so I thank you for that and you know you list you know the greatest pro wrestlers of all time, and you do it in errors as well you know when we have a discussion like the one time I are having today about the greatest wrestling matches of all time and I know that it's a very broad broad topic, but for you, Sir like are there matches that come to mind when you think of the greatest of all time. Oh absolutely and I the heroes and icons I did. I did that book with Steve Johnson and Greg Oliver. They did most of the heavy lifting, but I was quite honored to be a part of that collaboration. But you're on the show now, so I'm giving you all the credit. I appreciate that for sure Yeah, you know I was I was fortunate enough to be born in a at a at a time where? Some of the really great classic matches took place, and I gotTa tell you. I kinda might. Standard is like two great series of the past Fifty years. You know And that has to be Dory Funk, junior versus Jack Brisco and ric flair against Ricky steamboat I was I saw a lot of the matches between those guys and I. Don't know you know. It's a different generation a really different business now. But I don't know if I could. You know you just couldn't get any better than that. There was true poetry in motion I'll start with the bliss going funk series. They wrestle so many times back in the seventies. Even stretching into the eighties. But In in my estimation, there was never a world title in W royal title London Dory Funk Juniors rain from nineteen, sixty nine in the nineteen seventy three. And I was lucky enough to catch some of the Dory Jack Brisco matches from that period. And you know it was? It was incredible the way these two guys Just their presence in the weighing their technical artistry. They told a great story. You know all the elements of great wrestling match Those two exhibited. you know every back then? Every move meant something. Every move had a meaning. They told these matches toll, beautiful stories, and and and Jack with both incredible athletes i. they had dozens and dozens of. Our Broadway some going ninety minutes. And you know the pace was a lot different back then it wasn't a lot of flipping off and and neither doors, nor Jack. Were you know high fliers? Gag did torn occasionally. Drop kick. But the the matches were just incredible and to me those matches along with flair and steamboat. And you know they're live. will re was hot and heavy from you know, say seventy seven to eighty nine. When I consider that trilogy of matches in nineteen eighty nine was. With Rick and steamboat, probably among the best in you know ever. They had. The funny thing is. I don't recall say the same thing. They had matches house show matches were actually better. Than the the matches eighty nine the three big matches, they had nineteen eighty nine, so those guys working in the late seventies and eighties I mean they just they tore the house down and unfortunately those matches. There were no TV cameras. They're not more recorded. But they did some incredible things that shows for several years I mean they were. There was just awesome. So to me. Those matches between those four guys were among the best that I had ever seen, and that that goes back fifty years. You know date back to the sixties. Wayne guys like Luther. As ruled the wrestling world and I was able to see some of lose matches to of course it was, it was closer to the to the end of his career, but he was still one of the greats. Absolutely and when Dave and I were talking about this, the first thing I did think of was Dory funk and Jack Brisco because of all the legendary classics, but like you said sadly, this is an era that either they taped over the matches, or it doesn't exist anymore. It's really really hard to find as well as like for me. Being an all Japan pro wrestling fan. It's I remember all the Great Kobayashi Kawada Misawa matches. That had a tough physical style, and but it's not like today where we have the Japan network where we could watch it, and you have to really go out there and try to search for these big big type of matches, or it's just L. because they just taped over it and it sucks because it's it's lost. Lost History, but people like yourself that could either write in a book or talk about it, and most of the callers are talking about matches like me and Dave both saw ric flair versus Ricky steamboat when they first came to the meadowlands, we were talking about on air, and it was just to me one of the greatest matches of all time that there was no. Yeah I. Know I know it's so strange, but you know these things are in my memory, and that's you know I've been doing this sold. And you know one of my missions now is just to preserve wrestling history to try to you know, teach a younger generation that. Hey wrestling existed way back then I call it the era crew believers This was some incredible stuff we talked about greatest matches It may not be technical artistry, but did they any more exciting and brutal than Ouaga mcdaniel against Jani Allan Darn. I saw those guys bleed buckets of blood from you know here to Texas That was such great stuff it was. It was you know things just. Their matches and then their arrest their matches. Those were matches. Valentine against slayer Valentine against long. And I kinda grew up in the mid Atlantic were tag team tag team wrestling. WAS IT CAROLINA? Regina back then, which later became known as the mid Atlantic territory that was a hotbed of tag team wrestling, so I got to see teams like the Andersons you know I gene laws in gene and all we're talking Swede. Hanson Scott Brothers, George, Becker Johnny Weaver Nelson Royal and Paul Jones Skull Murphy and Brute Bernard. You know the list goes on and on. But as those were incredible matches, and a lot of the matches were known as Battle of the bullies back. Then you know he'll theme I guess healty. Murphy and Bernard against the assassins Republican Swede Hanson against. Gene and Olean Tommy. You'll appreciate this. Talking it talking about hardcore hardcore back in the sixties. In in seventies with guys like Hulk and Hansen against gene and only Anderson I remember those guys came into the ring one night. They were bringing boards in chains and. Everything but the kitchen sink total bloodbath. And you know you talk about hardcore that that was thirty hardcore we're talking about. We're talking about maybe fifty fifty years ago. Says great stuff, I was I had a ringside seat for all of this. And, you know it's funny to where we I I said it before on the show. History repeats itself. When you. When you talk about that match, it was a snug style and yeah a hundred percent everything. We didn't see W. you know we borrowed from other places you know mid south, wrestling or Tennessee, and that the strong style of today when you talk about snug styles of Oli and Gene Anderson versus repack and Swede Hanson. Those guys are probably just out there, beating the hell out of each other, and then come back either you know, drink a beer together. Smoke a cigarette and do it the next night and the next town, which is the beauty of? Incredible thing about it. These guys wrestled six seven nights a week I mean. They went from one town to another. You know and. And it. They didn't. They weren't any on any sign contracts. They had to work the next day. They didn't have a choice, but. It was a very noble profession. And Mike the business now with no fans as well as you know portraying. Storylines through promos and I really do think a lot of wrestlers have stepped up and you know when we're talking about. Mr Wrestling, too. I remember. His style, he would come out and talk and he would talk to Gordon Soul. Your when you walk out there in a suit and had the mask on, and he had like dignity, and here's a guy who has no facial expressions, because his mask is hidden, but you got behind him, and he delivered a message, and when he raised his voice. You're like Oh crap Mr, wrestling number two means business, and he fought for the people and the fans. They had their own song when he would wrestle in Georgia just like the junkyard. Junkyard dog did and it was just amazing. Those crowd chance, but that what people think the yes channel that stuff is today? That stuff went on forever back in the day. So that's why I. Appreciate Historians and I appreciate where it's very very hard to do something I because everything has been done to death professional wrestling. That's but that's the beauty because it continues in guys like us who have been watching I mean we're probably combined over one hundred sixty years old, and we still love it and want to watch it. Watch keep that torch burning brother. Absolutely. No and I, and that's something that we try to do here on on busted open, and obviously you know I grew up watching. You know I. I, always say it here on the show. Georgia championship wrestling, and you know we want to keep it alive, not only for the nostalgia, feel and people love that, but it just so you understand that the the foundation of what we're watching today, and it's hard to explain a to a younger viewer, and and you know our producers, Gabby and Mike. They're much younger than Tommy and I and they've grown up in a in a world of pro wrestling where they knew that it was predetermined. Watching pro wrestling that was completely the opposite. It's really hard to describe because we. We truly felt what we were watching was real because it was perceived as real. Yes, yes, it was the era of true believers as I call it. But you know it's. It's the last time where you know. I consider real heat. exist euro because people believed and That's what I. It really was like going to fight every week. You know that was Friday night at County Hall here in Charleston, eight fifteen. People didn't go just to see a wrestling show. They went to see a fight between two guys or two teams that they really thought hated one another. And I'm telling you I I knew it was he because? I was almost I was almost stabbed before at a wrestling show. You know fans trying to get to the heels, and you know I was taking pictures, and your comes a pocket knife about a half away for my head. Right on the running apron, but that's how. That's how crazy these fans will back. Then you know they really believed everything, and and that sort of what made it exciting that made it That made it thrilling for the people that go and watch this Show every single week. And I. Don't know it was. It was a great period and wrestling and I'm so glad I was part of it because I. You know I can tell younger fans today just. How good it was now admittedly, some of those fans might think they've been reconditioned and they might think that's boring I. Can you sit down? For Sixty minutes in and watch two guys with. Soon as easy back. I mean it was easy, and and and we loved it and. you know I? I really miss those days tremendously. Mike, do you watch? The current product. Yes sure I do. Yeah I. Mean I still cover it. I still have that passion for school so mostly. What I write about today is You know sort of a history oriented. Yeah I watch it and and and I like some of that It's gotten a little too much with an in for me, And some of it is just entirely too choreographed. But what I really! When I see two guys that really. You know you can invest in emotionally. And you really get into their story line and it's great. Storytelling matches I. I love that You know that's still part of the bill school. stuff that that I can say my teeth into. And there is, there's some there's some good stuff out there today, but. I'm having a hard time watching this stuff with no audience because I. I've always felt that audiences is half of the show. And I give a lot of credit and Kudos to the guys out there. That are still working under those conditions with. It's just really hard. Is the fan for me to to You know the totally get myself into. That does off that kind of match. Absolutely I, spoke about it yesterday. I I just had to wrestle in front of no fans, and it was You you. You need that boost. And I said earlier. It's real when the fans get behind your, or and that's what I hate about this upcoming greatest, a ever match that the fans will be there because they're just as important as the referee there what we work for, and the fact that you're just going to be able to sit home and watch and not be there alive. It's just it's that missing element, but like you said it's Kudos to men women doing it real quick me and Dave. A great fan moment he go back when we interviewed Rocky Johnson before he passed to put his book, we just went online and watched bruiser. Brody versus Rocky Johnson from a believers from Houston and. We're watching it. And we both rocky pinned him clean, and we both were like Oh what. And meet us. 'cause you, you know. You heard the legend of Bruiser Brody. He didn't want and I was just like wow. That was gigantic that that happened, and I ever watched it, and it reminds me of why we're fans as well because they got us again and wrestling will always hook us just like the real life story line that you said like with edge and Randy Orton. That has realism to it, so that's why this whole route with it, and as you experienced everything that they said back in the day you took it as. That's real. Gospel Man. The guys bleed, and you'd see the guys get their asses handed to 'em. You'd see the you know. The photographers would take the pictures, and then they. You know Watt. Who broke my Greg Valentine broke my leg Roddy Piper's might ear is all messed stop and it's just it was real. Yeah. Back to the arena week after week. Seeing Ricky steamboats face ball band, job bike, you know and and. It's just it's just different. And you know and listen you know Michael With with everything you know. Things evolve and Vince McMahon made that decision to to go public with? You know kind of peeling back that occur in. You. Know Tommy and I talk about it. It's still etched in my brain. You know you know Black Saturday July fourteenth you know Nineteen eighty-four that that day will always be in my memory bank because you know certain childhood memories that kind of changed the course of professional wrestling, but you know. It's hard to argue when hey, no other sport right now is going on, but pro wrestling. It's not in front of fans. It's not ideal, but the world of pro wrestling never stopped in. You know as this pandemic was going on and shows we're still going. It shows the the power, and it also shows the love and support for pro wrestling. It does you know was? The mantra has always been. The show must go on, and it'll always go on. For a lot of our listeners to if you want to listen to the dedication and why? Wrestlers from every generation will get mad when you know you mentioned the word, fake or anything back in the day and. It's not really exposing it because the business exposed so much, but you talk about passion when they would do something like rubber face on the concrete, and or you know they were covered the guy's face what they were doing the back Dave. You had a guy. A lot of it was Harley race, and you'd have that guy in the locker room. That would punch you an open you up in the back or Another route and somebody took sandpaper to your face and I. Did something like that, and I had someone sandpaper my face. You have no clue how much it hurt. And this is no adrenaline. This is in the back where one I'm just GONNA. Stand there and let you punch me in the face so I could bleed so I could come on television the next week and show people how I got. beat up now they. They have makeup, but I remember I when someone like I was putting. San San Papering my own face. It hurt so much, and I was like okay. Somebody else just do it like me me cut me and I. had somebody else sandpaper my face and it was it wasn't working I. Remember someone came over and just gave me a shot in the face. And I knew this was happening, but because we love this business so much, and that's why I always pay respect to the veterans. Because they truly paved the way, and if you think of how psychotic that is to do. Because if you explain that to real people. It's like. Are you? Kidding me, but people who've been around the business like Mike's laughing because he probably saw that if he was out in the locker rooms at the time, but that was the real mess of it. I mean Mick Foley could tell you about sandpaper in his face or like I said you had that guy who had a really good punch and Harley race had that one. You know bionic hand and I'll come over and he blast you in the eye. So next week you can look like you got beat up and as real as real can get. Dedicated to the craft absolutely. My. This has been awesome. In Anderson got several of his teeth knocked out in imagine. After the match was over, only, said well you. You need to go to dentist Dr. he said I'll be okay. Just work the time you know with a male. Amazing Mike I mean we? We talk for hours a really appreciate the time. Mike. How can fans interact with you? How can they get in touch with you? Well, you know as you said earlier. I'm pretty active on social media, so they can catch me on facebook. Mike Mooney Ham here in Charleston South Carolina or biting by Mike, Looney Ham, on twitter and You know my call them I. Still Have my column going it's. Thirty one years every Sunday in the post and courier and they can go to the posting courier DOT COM and access my call every week. still doing it you. Awesome Mike. Thank you thank you for waving the flag of pro wrestling. Thank you for keeping the torch of the traditions of pro wrestling burning and thank you so much for giving us. Time today. And thank you also. I I enjoy being on the show. You guys have a great show and You do a wonderful job keeping that old. Old Old flame burning. Thanks for listening catches. Monday to Saturday I'm busted open from nine am to noon eastern on Sirius Xm by Nation Channel, one, fifty, six, then busted open. PODCAST?

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WrestleMania In Tampa Is A Sort Of Homecoming

Florida Matters

00:00 sec | 9 months ago

WrestleMania In Tampa Is A Sort Of Homecoming

"This is Florida matters. I'm mark Schreiner pro wrestling or as world wrestling. Entertainment likes to call it. Sports entertainment has a long history in Florida and in Tampa it dates back to the days of championship wrestling from Florida. Where legends like dusty Rhodes Eddie Graham or Malingco and perhaps the greatest announcer to ever call a wrestling match? Gordon solely would act out there athletic feats and personal dramas each week for the television and live audiences this week. We're taking a look at history in preparation of the upcoming WRESTLEMAINIA. Thirty six in Tampa. We are incredibly excited to be here to be bringing Wrestlemainia here. To Tampa Bay Tampa is ingrained in the fabric of who we are so many performers over the years have been here whether it was a Tampa armory in that air conditioned building watching somebody like dusty. Rhodes tear it up and take down. All the bad guys and that spark started it. Started here so to bring Wrestlemainia here. We couldn't be more excited. That was Paul levesque executive vice president of talent for the WWe speaking at twenty nine thousand nine press conference announcing that recycle mania thirty six. His company's largest events would be coming to Raymond James Stadium Tampa April fifth of this year. Now at the moments levesque pro wrestling alter ego triple. H is not scheduled to be in the Ring Wrestlemainia but folks like Roman reigns Charlotte Flare Brock Listener. And becky Lynch are and there's still the possibility some legendary names like undertaker and Tampa Zone Hulk Hogan will be making an appearance. Dave meltzer joins us from California. He's covered pro wrestling going out almost fifty years. The last thirty seven is publisher and editor of the Wrestling Observer newsletter a weekly publication and website that covers all things pro wrestling Dave meltzer. Welcome to Florida. Matters is great to be here. Well no Dave someone listening right now. Their hands hovering over the button to change the channel. Because they're like a pro wrestling. Tell them in brief. Why should they care? That wrestlemainia is coming to Tampa. Well I mean it's it's a major tourist event people come from all over the world probably from probably all fifty states and they'll be in the realm of seventy five one hundred thousand tourists coming to town because not everyone who comes even goes to Wrestlemainia. There's people who come. It's almost like become a a woodstock type a yearly event for pro wrestling fans because it starts there's wrestling companies from all over the world that are coming to Tampa to run shows and Wwe has multitude of shows and wrestlemanias. Obviously the biggest on Sunday. But there's an extent Saturday there's new Japan pro wrestling's going to be running impact wrestling's going to be running a ring of honor's show in town so you've got you know. Many of the biggest companies in the world that are all congregating in pans from all over the world. Not even all. Wb FANS. I mean fans of any former pro wrestling. We'll find something to their liking most likely in Tampa or Lakeland or in that area ebor city all week long why should they go to Wrestlemainia or any of the related events? I mean if you like fast action and athletic stuff. It's their wrestling's a great form of drama. You know if you look at it in that way and the other thing is is with the international shows which really cool is. It's almost like you bring a culture to the United States like you're almost watching it and they'll be Japanese spectators all it's mostly American spectators. But you'll be like watching it you kind of like getting a chance to watch. Japanese event in your own hometown. Last year I went to German. You know w w from from Germany and you go in there you know. Even though the crowd when there were a lot of Americans that were a lot of Germans in the crowd the Germans kind. It took the lead because they knew everybody. And so you kind of are sitting there going like Oh so this is what. German culture pro wrestling is likely you. You learn a little bit of culture. If you're wrestling fan you'll you'll know enough of the pro wrestling. Even though the style may be slightly different to where you will enjoy it but it's a different environment and going to say a wwe again wwe. It's cool for the family. They have you know bad guys good guys and easily discernible characters. Wrestlemanias Wrestlemainia is a tremendous unbelievable live production just like you know like a giant show like. I don't want to compare it to a super bowl completely different. I I think that the length of the show is is daunting for sure but as far as going there once for an experience. I think it's a. It's a great experience to go. Yeah Yeah we'll come back to some of those other events. In a moment rob higgins the other officials with the Tampa Bay sports commission. They've been trying to bring wrestlemainia to Raymond James Stadium for around a decade. Why do cities pushed so hard to get this event not just from that standpoint as you say of other groups coming in but particularly the wwe and the wrestlemainia label? I mean it's it's the tourist revenue. I mean you're going to most people come in. They come in come in for like four days. They're not coming in just for the Sunday show and then fly home Monday. I mean most people you know. They're going to be spending money at restaurants. They're going to be you know hotels. They're going to be visiting tourist places. Yeah you talk about the economic impact there The numbers that have already been thrown around. Start at around one hundred million dollars in and probably well up of one hundred million these days but yeah it's been a hundred million and more feels like a decade Orlando. Three years ago. They were talking about one hundred and eighty one million dollars and the thought is Tampa may be able to tap that. Now we hear this not just for Wrestlemainia but events like the Super Bowl and the final four. Those numbers sometimes get exaggerated to some extent. It's not as big as it would not be as big a final four would not be as big as a super bowl by any means but it's way up there you know what I mean. It's bigger than a game of the world series in going over to the super bowl comparison just for a moment Tamp is going to be hosting the Super Bowl in twenty twenty one. One of the things that over the last few years is that Vince. Mcmahon the CEO of WWe tries to put his shows wrestlemainia. Either right after a super bowl or the year immediately preceding it so he can do that comparison of attendance numbers. Russell Menu will announce a larger number. Because that's part of the charm of wrestlemanias the exaggerated attendance figure that they put forth every year at sometimes exaggerated. You know usually about ten thousand but often as much as twenty thousand people. You mentioned the idea that it's people look at the number with the grain of salt but at the same extent. Wwe Is a publicly traded company there and the New York Stock Exchange. How do you gotTa make sure that you're you know you're still playing by the rules to some extent well because the financial number the gate number? They don't exaggerate. That's why but yeah. I mean like in Dallas when they announced one hundred and one thousand Vince. Vince himself was saying well. You know we're counting shirts and we're counting this and we're counting that we actually didn't have that many people paying they actually do released stockholders or to actually the public on their corporate website. They don't release exact paid number but they kind of given up indication to where you can figure it out and it's usually like I said it's usually between ten and twenty thousand less than the number that they announced that date. The building and I said a report on the wrestling observer website in the last few weeks that ticket sales to some of the events maybe not the main wrestlemainia itself but some of these surrounding events are a little soft and maybe not what. Wwe Is hoping yet so far there are as compared to Dallas Orlando. It appears that the number of tourists coming in is lower. Wrestlemainia will be if not sold out. It will be very close to sold out. I mean there have been times. They were every single. Show when you come into the market As far as the. Wb EVENTS THE HALL OF FAME. The smackdown are all sold out in this year. The rise is does not look like it's going to sell out hall of fame is has lost a lot of bluster. It's not that big even even with Hogan U. N. W. O. Going in this year ticket sales are not that strong yeah Hulk Hogan of course a Tampa native and longtime tied to to Tampa and pro wrestling. You're listening to Florida matters. We're going to take a short break and we'll be right back. I'm trying to. You're listening to Florida matters. We've had thousands of letters asking us to repeat if we could once again letting the I have the cameras. Sweep the state. We've done exactly that this week. We'll be seeing matches from Tampa From Saint Petersburg and I have a very special announcement that I'm going to be making a little bit later on in the program. We're talking pro wrestling. So I knew we had to hear the Golden Voice of Gordon solely the legendary announcer of championship wrestling from Florida. We're also talking to Dave meltzer creator of the Wrestling Observer newsletter about wrestlemainia thirty six which the WWe is bringing to Raymond. James Stadium Tampa April. Fifth Orlando Three years ago New Jersey last year dozens and dozens of these events. You had independent wrestlers in their hardcore fans winning three or four wrestling cards in one day. Do you think we're GONNA see something similar. Tampa this year yet. The one of the things that I always look for those March Hitchcock Mark Hitchcock Memorial show that wrestle con puts on because they bring in talent from all over the world and they give you the. There's you know matches that you normally wouldn't see like with like say star from Mexico against a star from Japan. That politically is a very difficult match to put together. You might get something like that. Yeah and one of the shows that you mentioned was the market cock memorial wrestle con super show that is Thursday night at eight. Pm At the Ritz. In ebor Thursday April second tunnel shows it. The rich and Ebor like like probably multiple shows every day that week. Yeah and also wrestle kind itself is taking place out at Steinbrenner field right across from Raymond. James Stadium that will be going Friday Saturday and Sunday. You get a lot of the old timers out there signing autographs. So that's a good event rate right. Yeah if you're not a fan of modern wrestling but you've got an affinity for the Jake Roberts era stars sting and people like that. They're all they're pretty much all the all the ones that are still alive and in good health they're probably going to be in. Tampa that week signing autographs at Russell Con- yeah and another thing is at so many of these former Superstars still call Tampa home as well as current superstars. Why is that taxes? Whether and just the location as far as travel up and down because most of the shows are on the east coast and the weather's obviously a lot better than the New York or someplace like that Tampa has always been a favorite place for pro wrestling. You know the the Florida promotion. Everybody wanted to work in Florida. When you know in the seventies and it wasn't even that you made the most money in Florida but it was just conditions you know the the weather especially in the winter. You know just a great great place to go. They had great fans rabid fans. And you know I would say early. Seventies wrestling in Tampa and Miami Beach. Probably were the two best cities in the United States. Maybe the world to watch wrestling and because you would get weekly shows with with top talent fifty two beasley fifty two weeks a year from what you saw what you heard. What was it like to be in the Ford homer history armory and the Tampa sport a torn to watch those guys week in week out with a sports story which is for TV tapings. It was a small building. But the Ford homer history armory. They would run every Tuesday night. And you know dusty Rhodes obviously in Jack Brisco and eight gram and people like that. Were were the legends. I never went to the Ford homer Armory but because my grandparents lived in Miami Beach. I went to the Miami Beach Convention Center which ran every Wednesday. And I did that. You know many many times during vacations and I have great memories and you have an opportunity to talk to a lot of these legends. These these these guys who wrestled back in the sixties and seventies and they were used to some of those smaller buildings maybe every now and then for a super card wrestling and like the Orange Bowl in Miami. What do they say you know what compared to in the old days to what it looks like? Now where it's filling up these football stadiums in these different business. It's you know it's the style in. The ring is different. It's faster the crowds are different. The crash looking at Moore's entertainment I think before they looked at his blood and guts sport which pseudo sport or whatever Now it's a big entertainment thing I mean it's just it's it's hard to compare. I mean I saw both eras and there's pluses and minuses of both eras. I mean there really was something about going out every Tuesday night or every Wednesday night and getting you know two and a half three hours of great entertainment in your live. You would go if you had a hockey team and you don't get that now because you know as far as big shows you may get you may be lucky in most places to get two or three a year so you don't have that commodity where you grow up with people. You shouldn't same seats. You know everyone who's sitting around you which your social event I mean. That's what wrestling had in the seventies that it doesn't have now would it does have now is just more glitz. And there's more money in wrestling than there was far more between television and high ticket prices and all these things the old wrestlers on. We're we're struggling to make a living. In a lot of cases some did some made very good livings but you know when it was over. They had to get other jobs. I mean now the top guys I mean you know. They're the top guys can make a million dollars and well over a million dollars. They'll be brock listeners. Probably GonNa make. I don't know five ten million dollars this year on a very limited schedule and you mentioned the TV deal there. I mean we probably anyone who grew up watching wrestling in the seventies sixty seventies eighties. We remember trying to find it on the VHF section of the TV and now wwe with these huge multi million dollar contracts with NBC and NBC Universal and facts and now possibly talking to espn about pay per views are bringing them to To to ESPN. What does that look like for at least the next couple of months with Wrestlemainia? You know it's funny because resumes only a couple minutes away and we don't know how it's GonNa be broadcast because that's obviously I think if they make a deal where they sell their pay per views to somebody whether it's ESPN or somebody else. That's the plum event of the year. And I think that's the one you want to kick the deal off with and so Timing is of the essence. They don't got a lot of time to make that deal well. We're looking forward to seeing you down here when you come in April and Wrestlemainia thirty six April fifth at Raymond James Stadium Tampa Dave meltzer publisher and editor of the wrestling observer newsletter. Thank you again for joining us on Florida. Matters. Thank you earlier. We were talking about. How many pro wrestlers have called the Tampa Bay area home during and after their careers one? Such legend was Boris Milenko born in Newark in nineteen thirty three Lawrence. Simon became better known as the Russian bad guy or heel in wrestling terminology. Boris Milenko who was hated by Florida fans. During the height of the Cold War Malingco died in nineteen ninety four but one of his two sons who followed him into the family business remains in Tampa and is helping. Keep the story of this era of pro wrestling alive. I recently sat down and talked with jody. Simon who wrestled under the moniker. Joe Milenko about his memories. What do you remember from growing up in Florida and watching your dad in pro wrestling here in Florida? Just remember watching the fans and how much they appreciated wrestling in the day. Because and we talk about this all the time is it was. It was one of the things in town. It really wasn't nothing. There really wasn't anything much else here. highlight the highlight front. Tom was up and running. You know you had you had AAA ball but just short of that. There was no. There was no no box or no route at the time. There were no devil. There were there were there were. No teams are no professional. Sports Teams College some college ball but just short of that. It was professional wrestling. It was every Tuesday night the armory and every Saturday down to the sport a toy. I'm doing the tapings and around the state the various cities and towns in the state run each day of the week. It's what people live by. So they could gather their families they can go to. These places spent some time it was. It wasn't adult entertainment by any means whose family friendly at the time. How often did you get to go down there and watch your dad in action? I watched my Dad Oldham. I was one them. I travel with them on the road. I went with them when I was a kid. I went with them later on in life as I grow up to be a young adult and then as I grew into semi pseudo manhood. I'm still working on it. I got into business myself as a referee and resting a little bit and travel with them at that point. Went up to the Carolinas with them. Followed him up there. Refereed wrestled a little bit more mostly refereed and so. I spent a lot of time on the road with him. Because if I hadn't done that I would never seen him. You know it was. It was business. It was easy for families. Because if your dad was a professional wrestler he was gone all the time. When you finally got into the ring yourself and you had that opportunity for the first time team with him. What was that like? So I teamed with my dad but also wrestled against my dad was a. I was up in the Knoxville area. We were running opposition to to a group up in Knoxville. At the time we had some real talented people just part of the group was. My Dad was It was Ronnie Garvin. It was Born junior who was Randy Orton? Dad and Bob Morton. Juniors Dad was senior. Who was the big? Oh Who's one of my dad's best friends so it was. It was lanny. Papa was up there. I think a little bit but mostly ran Randy Randy savage so module I worked against Montreal worked against Bob Roop who was legitimate Olympian and then came down to Florida and had long illustrates career down. Here we were some. We were in some groups together in various times in our lives so I i. I had opportunities to work with my dad but I had an opportunity to get in the ring against him and I always. I just always appreciated the fact that he was as good as he was. It wasn't even that it was my dad. It was that he was a talented talented hand. The ring he could make a match out of almost anything there. Were so many guys that your father fought with fought against here in Florida mcdaniel. Johnny Valentine's You said Bob Roop EuroMed Suda Eddie. Graham of course with one of the most famous events ever in wrestling. Where what was your Eddie Graham Next Your Dad's dentures out of his mouth and then stomps on them. Do you still have people coming up to you and telling you that they remember seeing that on TV. That was when I was doing the social media stuff which I've stopped doing visit. Just did nothing but he retained to pretty much one of the big things out there still remember to this day is just my dad happened. His teeth knocked out of his mouth and stop and his teeth and silly little things like that. One of the other things was my dad. Did a mattress commercial. I did a bad cotton mattress commercial and it got lost in time but people still clamored for that commercial. It's funny because I called. I called the corporate office a big hockey and I said Hey. My Dad did a commercial years ago. I was wondering if you have something back in your lives and Lady Look Look Look. I'd get back with her and she get back with me and nothing devolved. Finally I said you know somebody. There's gotta I called again. Why end up speaking to another lady? And she said she goes. You're speaking to the right person. I said okay. She goes yeah. I'm the granddaughter of whoever Mr Backup was and started the company. She said if anybody's GonNa find this thing is going to be macy's give me she's. GimMe a little bit and I'm thinking okay. So maybe maybe we stand a shot literally ten minutes later my email. Ding and there. It was sitting in a file direct from Moscow Russia. Two hundred forty one pounds. The Great Milenko Direct from Babcock Home Furnishing Sarah thirty seven and a HALF POUNDS. The Break Mattress. Absolutely against the mattress. Michael all airplanes and it was amazing because back then nobody did any TV. Nobody did anything outside of the recipe. Because it was kind of a first foray into guys you know my dad being one of them who did something outside the wrestling business even though it was just a TV commercial it ran. My Dad was a great businessman because he I think he may five hundred bucks for that thing in the last about ten years so bad that got the mattress company made a lot of money or Solana matches. My Dad who made five hundred bucks for a commercial and ran for ten years going forward over the next couple of weeks with all the different wrestlemainia activities and Najib's Wrestlemainia but some of the other wrestling activities. Are you taking party? You looking forward to seeing old friends. Maybe meeting fans here in the Tampa area. Who Remember Your Dad? Remember you as a wrestler there are. There are people that are going to be in the area that run into too often a good friend of mine's coming coming up from Miami. We used to wrestle together back for Global Wrestling Alliance which was an organization here in the states. Kind of here in Florida. That went against championship pressing. Florida at one point. That's right. Enjoy seeing that I. I like reliving things but the you're the business. Today's a different business and I'm not I'm not upon it I frankly don't know who most of the town is. I know some guys. I don't know most of the town I really don't follow the product anymore. I don't watch it on TV. It's not because I think terrible of it or anything like that is just you know everybody has a taste and that's not my taste. The older crowd that lives here in Tampa we get together on a regular basis. We talk about the old times and and the way things used to being in the you know the good in you know we discuss some of what's going on today so I'm part of that all the time. I don't need much more of that. Resume Down doesn't bring more to me. It creates opportunities for the area. I mean they're they're a bunch of people will jump on the bandwagon a Wrestlemainia and have side events. You know a bunch of events. It'll create some big buzz around this town for a few days. But you know I'm I'm not part of it. I don't care to necessarily be part of it and I'll be wrestlemainia but I'll be sitting in the seats somewhere which will be the first time for me. That I've ever sat and watched really sat and watched him. And not the first time but kind of and from those days of the armory and sport a tory him to the fact that they're going to put sixty something thousand people in Raymond James Stadium. Did you ever think you'd see that was on that day? I mean that that they came. That came that day came decades ago. We what we what people and I was just having this discussion today. Where people don't understand was that there were wrestling events back when that had amazing when when Hacker Schmidt I fought Frank Gotch I think it was seventy eight thousand people in the stadium at the time. It was one of the biggest sporting events of all time when you know when my dad fought Wa who mcdaniels in Houston at the astrodome. It was one of the one of the biggest crowds at the astrodome. I mean these things. What's they always say? It was old is new right well. What's old is new. But it was old. These things have happened before somebody says. Are you said that? Your Dad didn't see the time that is now and how wrestling is as pervasive as or as big as it is. Well he did. He did see it as big as it is now. He just wanted to different light. He didn't see with all the all the social media attachment and all the all the other things that surrounded it but he saw it and he saw it firsthand and I was there to witness him sitting in I. I enjoyed it one of the things that things that I was thinking about the other day was I witnessed a pastor actually talking about the fact that the Old Testament is the the book of Begat Right. There's this person this person that's beget that person. Florida is the GATT state of wrestling. You know from Florida everything even though it was one of many territories and there are other great territories in great workers in these territories. Florida was real hotbed. That started a lot of the movement of professional wrestling. Which today so what I see isn't any different than what I saw before and actually had a much better flavor back then because it was more it was more genuine was more real. There was nothing. There were scripted. They're you know these guys and these guys went out into arenas didn't have air conditioning. And people people sat around there was a believability that doesn't exist today there was. I do have to say that the Atlantis. The athleticism nowadays through the roof. I mean there are guys do double backflips with a with a corkscrew. Twist before they land on somebody. I wouldn't have. I wouldn't have attempted one back. That's never mind the double in the corkscrew thing. Mugabe's come myself. It was a different era but it was the same. I mean you know the crowds. The crowds in these places used to rock. There was never a crowd any louder or any more genuinely transported to a different place than a crowd that was sitting in Fort Homer Arm around a Tuesday night where you can hear yourself thank. You couldn't breathe. It was so hot people were smoking. I mean there were. There was a day were segregated magic magic magic times and you ask anybody in the city. Who's in their fifties sixties seventies who remember those and they'll tell you there's there's there's you don't see that I mean you don't see that with the biggest of the big venues here. With what seventy eighty ninety thousand people in it you just it was. It was more magical than that was Jodi. Simon also known as Joe Milenko retired pro wrestler and son of the legendary Boris Milenko. That's it for today show. You can listen to Florida matters wherever it's convenient for you as a podcast. Search for it and subscribe wherever you get your podcasts. Florida matters is a production of W. US public media. The show was produced by Mary. Sheddan engineered by George gavan special. Thanks to Shannon Lynn. Also a special things to my dad for taking my brother and I to all those pro wrestling cards back in the one thousand nine hundred and ninety S. I'm our trainer and in the words of the Great Gordon solely so long from the sunshine state.

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WKPWP - Interview Classic: (6-13-15) Jerry Lawler Day Special - Longtime wrestling promoter and manager Randy Hales shares Lawler stories

The Wade Keller Pro Wrestling Podcast

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WKPWP - Interview Classic: (6-13-15) Jerry Lawler Day Special - Longtime wrestling promoter and manager Randy Hales shares Lawler stories

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Talked about interviews on the new Jerry lawler DVD plus we live callers email topics dedicated to one of the great performers in this industry in the ring, and on commentary, his in ring career and his interview skills should be studied by any wrestler today, no matter what their ring style Jerry was one of the most effective and efficient and entertaining personalities, both behind the microphone, and in the ring during his wrestling career so convincing so compelling, and obviously had a long run as a color commentator with W, so you will learn a lot about Jerry lawler during this conversation Bruce Mitchell and ready hails joining me. This originally aired on June fourth two thousand fifteen. Welcome to the W.. Torch live. Cast Im, Wade Keller editor and publisher of the Pro Wrestling Torch weekly newsletter, since Nineteen eighty-seven and also w torch dot com check it out at PW TORCH DOT com slash DIRECTTV. okay, let's Let's go ahead and bring Randy Hales on to the program Randy. Thank you so much for joining us again on the show. I think it's been about three years since you've been on. A couple of weeks before the king had his heart attack because I think we might have. Told everybody out great he was, and it wasn't but a week or two later that We got us to watch Monday night Raleigh. He got sick, so let's hope everything goes great today. After this show on Jerry, lawler. Day. Absolutely Randy I want you to talk a little bit about your experience working with Jerry and how many years you're around him in the stage for people who don't know really how what a special guest you are to be able to be on here and talk about Jerry Lawler your qualifications to share insights and stories from the Memphis wrestling scene and provide perspective on the new dvd out on him is pretty close unmatched. Well first of all I became a wrestling fan I'll make this short, but I became a wrestling fan and nineteen seventy-one, Jerry started wrestling in nineteen seventy, but he didn't get the big break. The best big I break to nineteen. Seventy two so I started a watson. Jerry Russell along with his painting partner, Jim White and Sam Bats was their manager. They popped up only and found four anywa popping the Derek Remem, but that's exactly what they did. A fresh air and they came in and blew the place up in And they need in seventy two, and I thought later when we talk about just the US seventy, three and seventy four, especially, a couple of theories, seventy four is unbelievable. I started ringing out about fourteen years old and not to. seventy four Did everything could take of put up the ring to sell much guys, and then later on became apart of the Memphis office. sentence. starting about eighty side, we ended up. Being, the Booker and general manager of the company so. For, long periods of time very close. Working Jerry Lawler, but for for this commerce relationship is important I think is starting out as A. Fan and one of the biggest all fans in the world as you know and I get frustrated at some time and hopefully this DVD. Will change. People's opinion I won't hear lawler because it's certainly not my mind even not does a great job Jerry. Lawler doesn't need to be remembered as a commentator or announcer are talking about the puppies being funny he needs to be. Talked, about as being, have having one of the biggest one in the history of the business, and that's exactly what he did in the Memphis title. Absolutely I mean I'd say the same thing about Bobby Heenan. And we can say about several other people to King Harley race. WW, so many wrestlers who fans have deservedly fond memories of especially Bobby, Heenan, and WWe WWF or on Monday nitro. They saw great Bobby Heenan. There's a reason they love him but the best Bobby Heenan. I think by pretty good margin was his work in the Awa Jerry lawler and I talked with Todd Martin about this couple of weeks ago on the fix, with Todd Martin VIP audio show what I was looking forward to most on any Jerry lawler. DVD's and. Stuff that I've seen before that. Everybody had access to Jerry lawler. Doing kings core, Jerry, lawler, insulting the Hart Family Fun stuff Jerry Lawler, wrestling, Michael, or that kind of thing. I wanted to see classic. MEMPHIS wrestling footage, and this DVD gives you a taste of it. I would not say it's as heavy on that footage as I would liked. But the documentary does go over the years how he got into wrestling. The his the the the role that Adam wrestling the promotional war that happened that ended up linking up Jerry Jarrett Jerry, lawler together. Of course then Andy Kaufman and then why Jerry went to the WWF when he did after some failed attempts to unite with other promoters like world class with frank do second Kerry, von Erich at that famous meeting along with Jerry for Ganja boy, different God. You look uncomfortable in that in that. Little video clip that Marcia was hosting, so they covered a lot of territory before they got to the WWF obviously including the the heart attack. You spoke of a few years ago, but there was just enough in the for me to give it. A recommendation Randy for the old school footage. Especially because you get to see Lance Russell Jerry lawler Terry Funk in that empty arena segment, plus up the full Jerry lawler Andy Kaufman. So much footage from that and also lawler against Bill Bundy lawler against. Eddie Gilbert so some good stuff in the from the Memphis area. Searching for more great pro wrestling. Talk, then join me Jason. Powell hosting three weekly pro wrestling Boone podcast each week you'll hear the latest news and analysis from me and my team at pro wrestling dot net along with other pro wrestling media, members, plus the pro wrestling boom podcast features long-form interviews with notable names in the pro wrestling industry subscribe in it much stitcher downcast, and all your favorite secondary APPS, or visit us directly at POW BOOM DOT com, once again next P, W DOT com. Do want to now bring Bruce Mitchell into the conversation. Bruce, a senior columnist with Oh, now, of course he just got disconnected is about to do that, so Bruce Williams live, or will you do me favor way, yeah? To me a big favor. In I hung out with Bruce a couple years ago and North Carolina where you played. Be Nice to my friend Bruce. I won't I promise to be nice to him. Through motorcycle I WANNA. Ask You. A couple of questions I think you put all. Backed evidence shows lawler's talent and how long he last. Started in seventy. Six. Year. Or seventy two when he started wrestling well, maybe seventy, one dressing everyday. Tell me another person. Wrestler because I know you insert of probably This man I don't know when Vince started announcing humidity name me a person. That Has got a pay. Check out of the restaurant. Business Daddy everything since nineteen. Seventy two. Can't heal our for surly or help me. Is there any answer? No breaks seventy, two two thousand cystic. WHO WOULD IT BE? That's a really good question. The other question. Then you can answer. To. Together Nineteen. With a couple of breaks in out, let's say from nineteen seventy four to. Nineteen ninety seven. that. Or was a feature match. On a weekly show in the same town. snacking seventy four is like I say oh. I can on any seven how? How many people have that kind of runs? A lot of people's had twenty thirty runs. But in one city eight almost every single week, so that's a question. That it'd be interesting to see if he can help me finance well I'll. When Bruce Calls back later. logs back in all present that to him, he might be able to. ME, he's been following rustling a little bit longer than I have. He might have a good answer for that or at least somebody who comes in close, second or a distant second, but who the second place candidates are, but I've been as you've been asking that question. I'm not sure that I'm coming up with any answers because you have to think about who's in wwe or new Japan, or or maybe there's somebody Mexico that we're not thinking about. In terms of United States based. You're looking at somebody who is in our waitress, wwe today, collecting a paycheck or part of the the Indie Convention Autograph Touring Circuit Consistently I mean I'm trying to grasp at anybody. who also had a job through the territory days and the expansion days juries just does seem to come to mind is the only person it's a great question. You know when you. You email me yesterday and Asked me to do this I've I've started reading the reviews from the. From the DVD and people's there was one I thought was interesting. and I was hoping that the the DVD would be. As much this guy who's no. He wasn't being mean about it, and he basically said I'll watch this because I really admire lords. That's long time. But he. Says a performance. He's not very. Interesting to me that guy in if you've been in a cave, Jerry Lawler, not interesting about the craziest statement. I've ever. Heard. He has never been sold out eleven thousand five, hundred seen south, toe, Salmon Waller starts to make that come back and he pulls that step. Down and goes to town with the best I in the history of business goes to the middle row crops that this one two three the me. That's exciting and that's all. Entertainment but I here's. Randi anybody who says Jerry Lawler is not of interest to them is not of interest to me to talk to. Honestly I mean what what what more could you? Jerry's one of the wrestlers that I admire the most for being probably one of the most exciting, logically in terms of telling a story in the ring, telling store behind the microphone. He was such an overachiever, relative to what he physically put himself through in the ring, and his natural athletic ability. He was not somebody who was gifted, like randy savage, who was on the verge being a major league baseball player. He didn't have a pro football career. He was an artist at heart until he got and became a wrestler, but he did so much, and there's so much to learn from that. It's been a discussion, St Boston and Paul Heyman on Monday. When Boston on the WWE network after Interpol. Haven for over an hour they talked about how wrestlers are pretty inefficient today. Use that word. That's kind of my, but they're working too hard for too little, and there's been a controversy in recent weeks about wrestlers kicking auto finishers too often. And I think that that what Jerry lawler was able to do with. Is is so is such an important lesson there for today's? There's no not everybody. Has Jerry lawler's ability to talk on the microphone so convincing, but there's still a lot to learn from what he was able to do it. It's not just something that goes away. Randy, because while it's modern era and people have seen so much already. Some of the stuff still works I. Think Kevin, Owens's as much as he's been hard hitting move fast. Take big bumps guy on the indie scene, and especially in what people saw Sunday night against John Cena he is somebody who reminds me a little bit of Jerry lawler in terms of having. Having an incredible gift to talk on the microphone with his facial expressions, body language, and not yelling which Jerry lawler rarely, if ever did and in the ring, I saw him at a ring of honor show last year, not do a lot physically, but tell an incredible story in the ring with using some of the techniques that I think would have made Jerry lawler. Proud so Kevin Owens as much as he's one of the guys getting criticized for maybe doing too much out of the gate might be one of those guys who has learned Jerry, lawler, or at least unknowingly as it has a similar skill set so ready I. Circle back and say anybody WHO's not interested. Jerry lawler doesn't understand this industry in a way that that I do and doesn't look at it through the Lens that I do. In DC pennies. Institute. Zone Capacity. At the end of The APP THOSE BS. Nothing nails in JC people in the when the JC did. Rhino. I go pallister notice David. Marcus conceived as Matthew Analysis. You See. This coupon is rich envious standard complex. Is. You can spin, but they used to let them know JCP on. Every Sunday night catch wrestling night in America on PW Torch Daily Dot Com hosted by me. Pw Torch columnist Greg Parks each week I'll welcome a CO host from the torch family to discuss the big shows and pro wrestling, taking your calls and e mails. You can listen live most weeks beginning at eight PM Eastern on Sunday nights with a wwe or impacts pay per view. We go on the air at the conclusion of that pay per view, you can listen live. Of course. The full show is available for download on demand anytime shortly after it airs visit P. W Torch Daily cast dot com, and click the livestream link to find the next scheduled live show, link, search, PW, torch, and apple podcasts or your podcast APP to subscribe wrestling night in America every Sunday pw torch, daily cash dot com. Let me say this writing things onto the? DVD and I strongly believe this and these stop bumps these stunts. The wrestlers do is dangerous some of it. They put their lives at stake, so you have to. Respect that so I'm not knocking the the end of of visuals, but here's the thing a lot of people do those stunt bumps in those crates crazy. Stuff because they're not over. That's what we forget in the rest of them. There's gotta be over to draw money. Jerry lawler was oversaw a simple thing pulling all the. Nine to head back and forth in. People know it's coming pulling this. Strength Down means more. then. Falling off the top of arena, you know gap once you get over, but you know it takes a lot to get over. Get or somebody I need. To talk in for the most. Part you have to. Tell a story in the match. Jim Steve Austin you. I. I really don't know why. People don't get it. And finally have to go. The extra mile because it does more harm than. The, no been good, but anyway so that's talked about so often. I'll get off that, but was absolutely the same. Same page. Absolutely absolutely. The the DVD I know Randi. You've had a chance to watch. The two thousand five minute preview on wwe network I watched a full close to our half on the DVD I'm going to start with an open ended question. We can guide ourselves through some specific soon and also take phone calls, or if people can't call the show, but one email us a topic, you can do so at pw torch live cast Edgy Mel Dot Com. That's P. W. Torch, live cast, Edgy, Mel Dot com I see. The phone calls lining up. If you want to join us on the show, and we'll be starting with area code six five, so hold tight there. You can call six, four, six, seven, two, one, nine, eight, two, eight. That's six, four, six, seven, two, one, nine, eight, two, eight, I'm already what what jumped out to you that you liked or didn't like, or which do you have a little back story about anything that you saw in that twenty five minute? Edited version of the documentary. Yeah. I don't know if the preview of. Is I I don't know the order. If that's different than what some of the day unless I have a funny story. To talk about Jerry lawler's art, because that's what got him in the business. He's togas partly. Everybody knows that he knows the digress on families. His Daddy said pictures in last. Last rustle us because back before they shot the the video with the the matches and they get the results just talking head well. Waller. Van pitchers and then end land's more TV, but so that got him into the. Business and he's so talented. Way You've seen. It stopped just absolutely. Amazing, but I thought what would be of money is Patel story on sometimes is art which most cases have been real? Positive I'll clean up the story a little bit for you. The version right this is. The Frank family friendly version of the life cast correct. Yes it is. Okay well, they'll be worried. I won't go. Don't all right good. But he. was to be so funny. And I say I'll clean this up he. We were wrestling. I wouldn't either they're done. He loves to tell this story the venue. We were running in Lexington, Kentucky. We lost Early as they redid the vineyard or looking for a new new one, I don't remember so we Christine. Jared went to Catholic school and talk them into having the wrestling. Of course they were leery about having the wrestling champion, the Catholic of Shelby Miss Christine Sal. Everything will be fine so everybody. Even every thing went in. The. When the in the matches everybody by but lawler. There was a there were used in a classroom lawler grew. A Picture On? On the blackboard. And forgot to or rice? then. You can imagine what that picture. Was a pretty lady and The the none of the teacher walked in the next day, and that was still there all over the. Board, so we lost our. They lost. Say we but I was. Young I wouldn't go into those towns and at that point, but anyway we lost. They knew because of Jerry lawler. All Right? That's a funny story. As we talk about things I'm sure. They'll be subjects that will relate to a funny story or maybe even a sad story. That happened behind the scenes. That will be cool. To hear, but that's one of my favorite. Stories that came to town. Very good. Some of pro wrestling's best podcasts are the IP exclusive and you can go VIP and find out why we have been supported by paid subscribers for over thirty years with our exclusive top-shelf content, including pro wrestling torch. Senior columnist. Bruce Mitchell with the Bruce Mitchell show I usually host that program although he has variety of yes. 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Mister Hale good to talk to you. Thanks for coming on the joining us today. I'm northern California so exposure over the years metrics wrestling wasn't as as strong could have been, but in my memories whenever I think of Memphis. Wrestling I think of match in April of Nineteen, eighty seven. It was Jerry Lawler vs Austin idol in a steel cage. One where you're at got involved and with pretty dramatic event. It was a brutal match, and quite an aftermath, and I was wondering your hails that you might. Not Want to share your memory of that event, and what may have occurred after in the arena? Thank you I I had a big part of that a big part of that I bought Tommy richest beer smooth. The tallest with the case. Of Beer in this was like three thirty, four o'clock in the afternoon, 'cause the business was so protected back then, and and it was a surprise Finished with timing coming from under Though the rain we had to be sneaky and I picked him up at the airport got his Co. Beer. Normally I I'll be honest with the people young restaurant style like one of my pet peeves. I'm getting off. Track is going independent. Joe In there drinking beer and Drinking Vodka and just everything before they work. That didn't happen they. The Wrestling Business Allah healthy. You know it's the restaurant business. It never was they, but there was exceptions. They were tacky Bardo. Have a little liquid Kurds before he went into the ring and Tommy Rich, we knew he had seven hours under that rings we knew. He had to get. have had to have some beard and making happy, and so that's one memory. The masters great tremendous heat, and there was almost a riot after. the finish I did co color with On Coke, announcing with Lance on the commentary of that and then. After. A match. I remember rich and. Heyman and probably dangerously in. And I don't think they had. It was dangerous and I. I walked with the security. Welcome back I mean had more crap throats thrown on us. It was A. Scary Situation would just so believable was. That's one of. The Great Memories of all his career and it certainly in the I would think it would make the. Dan of the modern. Wrestling, that eighty, six, eighty seven. That's one of great last thing. That was done the. Big Big business at the cost Sam so it was fantastic I'm glad you enjoyed. Don't topic anything else for Randy. yeah, I guess it's it could be related randy or to you. Wait I guess what I was thinking about. Wanted to ask you real quick at any time during related to now at anytime during Jerry lawler's tenure here has an announcer and wwe. Has He ever been? Offered or been often crew to give creative input, or or do you think he guides any of the young wrestlers, or is he basically just become announcer? Who just is basically sued handed a script, and it's just a talking head like the remainder of the announcers. Thank I would I would ask you this by. Saying when he did the program with. Michael Co he had a heck of a lot of. Creative. Input in that, but basically lawler shows up and waste health. We just recently I hard and talk about ballers daily. Don't go to production ladies. He thinks he's better if it calls it as as it. the. First time and tested his life in all about wrestling. These days playing also I saw that sort of thing so even though I don't know for sure. I would not think that that he has much input. It's not because they wouldn't. Look here's opinion. It's just because. He wouldn't go out of his way to give it I don't think the way you might have heard more than you might know more than I do on that matter. Yeah, no, I think you covered it i. think you gotTa Right I, mean he just it doesn't doesn't feel the need, and it feels also just a chance to. Dante anything else I know. Thank you both very much. Appreciate it and a good afternoon to the both of you. Actually. We're about to go to another commercial break. 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VIP INFO DOT COM. Excellent, we have an email question to Nelson. Peace at this. He's Randy and Wade I'm from the bronx benefit. The member for a year and a half I saw Jerry lawler DVD last week, and it was really good. However, I was disappointed that they didn't include to thinks the few Jerry lawler had within man in one, thousand, nine, hundred, three in the Memphis territory, and they didn't cover why he left the WWF in November, nineteen, ninety-three, due to some alleged allegations. Why did they skip that out of curiosity? Other than that great dvd and I highly recommend it to anyone who was offended the king. He cracks me up with his last screens already I would not expect them to cover. Certain things because it's a wwe product and their goal at as not being independent documentary makers, but being people who promote their own product. They WanNa have some credibility, but they're not going to cover you know. Scandal is stuff if they don't feel that they had. But that said the Vince McMahon. He'll appearances in. Memphis were kind of fun I wouldn't say that I'd say that would almost to be part of a documentary more than a lawler documentary though. And I. Don't know how accurate I am this, but if you haven't seen the whole DVD, you should help. Help me with this. Video where the any video on. On, that DVD that was U. S. W. A. Video Remember before that it was championship Wrestling Association. That's the way we did the thing with Dallas and changed. US W rates I. DON'T WANNA. Get into this too much, but us was in then sold to. A group, so I'm just one. That might be the steal. Day I'm asking you. was there any actual footage on that that had us. They've not stuff not. They was talking about earlier with CWA. With the idle rich things, so I think it show that and I don't know if they did but that might be reason just guessing. Yeah? No, that actually could be the reason. I didn't watch the DVD thinking about the ownership footage when I. I watched it but I know that there are some limitations in that regard. Because what you're speaking of Randy and that was probably one of the reasons to. There wasn't as much vintage content. From from the old Memphis, there was a lot of rough. I want to say a lot, but a decent amount of raw vintage footage from the mid South Coliseum. That looked like it was shot on film. From a fan perspective in the crowd, and there was a decent amount of that that they acquired, but there were some studio clips from the studio show, but I don't think saw anything from that I know they did stuff not. I don't remember. Super clash had the. I don't know. They aired super any super clash footage or not, but there was a there was a handful of Lance Russell interview clips and fresh footage from Lance, too, which was cool to see. Where I'm just saying that that the US change over happening in eighty, eight or eighty. Nine so so just. A guess of that might be it and in my go because of the lack of footage that they can use that. Sort of thing go for this interviews. Wade is is to go beyond that DV the with information that really cause I. WON'T EVERYBODY OUT THERE? To to really know about Waller Scurr, rear end, the early days from Nineteen, seventy, four to. Seventy eight even was tremendous and I've got some once. We get a little later. Into this I. I have some. some figures that just absolutely Blow your mind, but that's not going with this interviews with people on on a lot of people do people like Foley and and Austin is always coupled mid three of you in Bruce all ways, but there's a lot of people and because of age and time, and and the Memphis the territories as long, but I think it's important for them. Though all the history of somebody that they watch as announcer since nineteen, hundred ninety three. He's often told me he's. Said said I'm not on that announcer wrestling wrestler to announces, and that's his Oh. That's important to him. Jerry lawler is arrest. No doubt about it in a great. Excellent, I want to bring Bruce Mitchell into the conversation. Now Bruce I know. You are a big fan of Jerry. lawler's work especially pre wwe. This documentary has some good footage in. Some good clips from the mid south. Coliseum Tokyo Yamamoto. And that kind of thing. I think it's a good walk through Jerry lawler's career. It is Jerry lawler day by the way in Memphis Tennessee. He is wrestling tonight at Omen arena in Jackson Tennessee, for fortieth anniversary celebration presented by USA Championship. Wrestling, James Storm, seibu Tommy Dreamer Brian Christopher Jerry lawler's the son build on, and the rock and roll express at tonight's show, so is very much not only to the DVD come out, but it became. Jerry Lawler Day in Memphis today. June fourth is a declaration by the city of Memphis, AC junior. 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APPS ON IPHONE and android devices, or you can stream them directly from our AD FREE VIP mobile site C in the paradise. Bruce as you join in the conversation here and you've been listening to Randy. I'll go ahead and either followed anything. We talked about or present randy with the question. Well. You know I is worth. Saying I'm a big Fan of Jerry lawler's work because I. He's a complete wrestling package I mean he's the Promo ability as as I ray I, mean he? He's right up in whatever your top echelon. And whoever's the number? One talker in the history of the Business Jerry lawler's either standing right next to them, or is ahead of them I mean he's that good, and then the the durability, the long lasting ability to draw a ton of fans in his area I I think he is an It's not just he's a great. He's an all time grade and the ability to adjust the ability to change through the years both healing face to the but to become you become a major star then to become. A Co promoter and a promoter, and then to make that battle, and then to the place in the modern world of wrestling and change. And use his talents to change with the business I mean. He's phenomenal at that. He's right up there. I think the other person I think. About that as Terry funk and he's every bit the performer every bit the force in the business. I think in his way of having done everything so yeah, I, mean but I would I would start with randy wh- when was his drawing peak I know. You Know Memphis Coliseum those Monday nights, but the Monday nights. When was he the most concern most consistent with that and was Jimmy Hart was it build on day? Exactly? How does that work? I would say this will probably surprise everybody because he had a great great run. And I think it's the longest running. One longest running feuds in the history of wrestling in Bendy had. Had, great success and a lot of sellouts. He also had the run with. Jimmy Hart that was. About five years. That was big money he also. The situation we were talking about earlier with I. Don rich and the haircut. That was all great, but I would have to say. That the period started in seventy three when M. in Jim White started in seventy, two seventy three tons of sell out the Lord and right. Tagging, then at the end of. Seventy three switch. All. Waller of baby face, and this is the angle that really started a remarkable run I and weighed. But they switch lawler baby face saving eighty marlins. And Those Infernos Infernos. JC Vice and They had about three weeks and on the third week. they beat. lauwers nemesis. Are they. Was They Eddie Marlin and hurt anymore and his partner at the time and. Oh them. S.'s in eighty marlins close friend Jackie Fargo had feud with lawler in the taxing situation with. White. Ambassador. So, they are. They haven't had a single run at that that because this was the coming thing as long as for a single. Run that was major put Fargo and lawler together. Fargo started the match tag lawler and it was a trick going in Packed all our game. And Plants Fargo beat the crap out of him and Oh we were. Off. To to the racist big time with that. Anywhere from ten thousand. To. Sell out of about eleven seven eight, depending on how to build. scale that weight so that was commended. Watch absolutely. Tremendous and Got It off and running. Later. In do you live? Listen to this month. July they. They did the blow off. For a little bit of lawler in Fargo and on July. Of. Two weeks in a row G. I joe eleven thousand seven hundred seventy people July eight did ten thousand, five, hundred thirty five people were. With lawler going over that second show then came back. Do have the fifteenth eleven thousand seven hundred people against the sheikh eleven. Thousand six hundred people would bubble Zell next week ten, thousand, three hundred. People with wrestling to going into August. Ten Thousand, seven, sixty with the Bobo again and then eleven thousand, five, hundred, ninety nine. People with with lawler No let's of eleven, thousand, five, hundred, ninety, nine, Lawlor, and Dick, the bruiser, so just a a tremendous run, and to me as a fan. That's my absolute favorites. Of all career from the tag run. Win Of this period. The rest of the seventy four. They were feeding. Pleading big stars throughout the country during the road to the world title Scott When Jack. BRISCO so that was I think that's the most successful, maybe not gross brown south figures as far as attendance. It was unbelievable. I mean those were names I mean those are top national names being brought in in in some legendary names, bruiser oversell wrestling with such a huge icon in Georgia I've a little now. Was this with lawler was a? He'll at this time, wasn't he or was he? Yes, they they slipping baby face for about a month to she's this angle with. Twisting as at the end of the year. seventy three and then switch you know and then They did the angle with with Fargo In into favorite start of Oh march. It's actually more of I. Think and and so he's completely healed so the the tax down that we mentioned. In this course to seek was a he'll nationwide of all those so hate it They were and he was listed as an adult top. Never ten contender. List you ever going. Through the and Of course by the baby face was a baby place. It was just something you don't seem that. radio about our. hear about they were absolutely. Unbelievable great days and all it didn't just. Do Good with with big stars, bringing in war on off. On June, the third drew ten thousand three hundred eleven, thousand, three, hundred, thirty, two People In a maxwell, ricky gifts and and so it was just not the big stores lawler do. Tons of money when a lot of different. Thank you for listening to the weight? 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You can also stream the show live at Wade Keller Post show dot com about five minutes after the show's end on Monday Wednesday and Friday night. And so was the expectation as a fan that does heal was becoming. You know so you know what such a threat did. When it came time for the Jack, Brisco match the Nwea Championship and what a big deal that was Did you? Did you have this feeling? He was going to win the title or there's going to be a day that Jerry was down. Because he hadn't been a big and I think back these days the very first world title match was on September sixteenth that. By the way wait I don't remember this. I did a little restart actually prepared to come on here today, so I I'm not that smart I didn't i? Don't remember these days but September. Sixteenth nineteen seventy four was a first a world out match all receipt it grew not sell out, but ten thousand one hundred. Twenty five. people, but it was a A. A money record because they own now it would seem, but I think the Golden Circle tickets were like twenty five dollars compared to. Normal for probably or three, and so we went way up. On that you know that was Waller's. Very I. Won't and the next week he do the same amount of people ten, thousand, three hundred. Against Jerry. Briscoe so all that interesting. Here's another thing that. That will probably surprising I've talked about the run. The first of the year ten thousand people eleven thousand people a lot of eleven thousand. Wrong. Business that that held up. His December second, seventy, four, ten thousand. People but at the end of. December. The Top Stone Was Getting magazine covers and newspaper Articles All kinds of pets was fired by Jerry Jerry and He was a let go or refusing. To go to Johnson city. In A. T and lawler talk about this. Is. Code. Champion and Jetson not anymore and. But he did. Auto drawning all kinds of money, but he was fired Make a booking, and then he returned the. In In seventy five probably. March April may something. Like that some. Were watching the when you were watching this as a fan and Jerry, lawler is the most despicable villain, the guy with the biggest mouth. The guy you wanna see someone just shut his mouth, but he's a memphis boy and he's getting. He's winning against these major stars, and he's on the road to Jack Mariscos, Nwea Championship did you want him to win the title or did you want him? Did you want Jack Brisco the consummate? You know the consummate athletes the? Wrestler to you know timing a not and give him his I mean what was the emotion of the fans far as far as Jerry Lewis lawler's. These making crowded was next 'cause a Lotta people in. In MEMPHIS. because it was a memphis, one of the more than the died in on some one of their. Regular anything's. Story. They would love it if they would've beating. but no I. It was a mixed in the world tag AMAC. That's all one Jack Risk Walter match and sixty. Was a sixty minute. Broadway sixty minute draw also. Seeing a couple of mentioned was highly racing wrestling so many road champions, so but to answer your. Question I would say that. split of the public attendance. was split them over whether they want. Wear it out, but I hated the fact I was a kid I get him out of one bruised, but the dirty scoundrel had to pull his chain out every single time. You never think nobody. Clean. Cheat and that was obviously. And people wanted to sing I'm rich fan hosted the deep dive Richmond, a weekly part of the PB Torch Daily cast lineup of shirts, search, torch, and apple podcasts or your podcast, this scribe, every Saturday at six PM eastern I dive in with guests for an hour and anything in the world of wrestling or wrestling related one here about the influence of historical figures like big kettering. We got you WANNA. Hear about how marine movies got we are on it. No topic is too big or too small, so if you want to dive in this call in live or listen on demand and see the entire POW towards daily schedule at POW, towards daily cast. Dot Com. And and that was the time when you thought I. Just paraphrase or something I mean that was the time where you thought Jerry. lawler is a star. He's something special. THAT MEMPHIS MEMPHIS had. Their successor to Jackie Fargo. They had something that you're watching a real star. Exactly in Fargo was my very first. Favorite. Wrestler and he was great to lawler might a lot of the stuff he did out of off of. That I. Don't make light out of. The rest of the periods of times. Seems. Like, it's natural in live a rooster I've what's your favorite? Period in in mid Atlantic and wait. What's your favorite in in Minnesota the first period you remember? Yeah and I think I mean for me. The first period of the AWA was the best period of the AWA and I. Just don't think there's any disputing it. Because I came in in the last. Probably the last five years, everybody would agree was better. The next five in the next five, because I was probably a fan of Awa for a dozen or so years, so maybe break into the four year blocks probably. Seventy nine to eighty three was the last great era, eighty, four, eighty, five, eighty, six, eighty, seven, pretty good. Still but on the downslide for sure and then eight to the end and nine nineteen ninety. It was just you know Rochester TV tapings, and you know really kind of difficult, although fun for me, because I got to go to all the TV tapings, Rochester and and Meet a lot of wrestlers and get involved in things in that way, but it was not. It was a shell of its four self with Memphis is like had I become a fan of nineteen seventy? Nine. Hundred Sixty Five Carson George Shire from the beginning I'd have more choices of my favorite era, but even with them I do sense when I interview them that their favorite times is the first few years and Bruce. Probably for you. It's a little bit different in that. You became a really big fan as an adult in your twenty s. that's when you really got into it, and so you might have a little more objectivity about what the best era was for you, but yet you came in. It's such a big exciting great time in mid Atlantic that. It probably was the best time early on to. Well I was aware of wrestling as a kid Republican Swede, Hanson and Johnny. Weaver and I remember particularly have these memories of Argentina Paulo being Mysterious Times five as a kid and I'm sure I'm sure my memories don't quite match up to that, but I wasn't a huge wrestling fan in high school, but I remember being told. You know I knew Paula Jones and but I remember being told Man You ought to watch. There's this blonde haired guy. and and and there was and and. Me Even though I spent all that time you know going I went to shows in my twenties more but eighteen nineteen or something to me. The really big time is blackjack. Mulligan Rick Flair. Greg Valentine. Roddy Piper mass superstar Ridding the first. Steam. Rick steamboat the first run and the best the best baby-faced tag team I ever saw and to this day Richie steamboat Youngblood, and that that run that mix and match and that talent I I learned a lot I didn't realize I was learning anything. Just because it was book very solidly, you could say I mean I I figured out early on like you know the he'll would do something despicable to the baby face, and steal the US title, and then the baby face chase them, and they go through all these stipulations wouldn't quite get them, and then they would get them on Thanksgiving night in a in a steel cage match for the US title and. Everything would be restored except for three weeks later. It would start all over again and but the promo the promos back and forth I'm such a big fan of those and I, looked for him when I collect Memphis I, mean you helped me Randy with some of my collection not too long, but I collect Memphis, particularly that prime time of Jerry Lawler, and those localized promos Lance. Russell Standing There telling you about Louisville about Memphis and what's coming up on Monday? Monday night that that's still my favorite thing of of wrestling is. The is the mid Atlantic you know the mid Atlantic battles back and forth in the studio to tell you what's going to happen in Dorton arena to tell you what's GonNa Happen in Fayetteville and obviously for, and that's you know that's my my prime time and just by luck I happen. You know I started watching when I'm some really phenomenal things happen, and then I love the four horsemen. Express, and and that era and dusty Rhodes Magnum ta and and and in particularly the rock and roll express a God does this week. The fantastic thought a lot about the fantastic this week, and how good they were, and that was so much fun to be there, but but the prime time for millions that when I got hooked that early time. Just ready. Let me just to reset the show for people joining us live because I know some people join us in progress ready hails as our guest, longtime man of many many hats, memphis wrestling. Seventies eighties nineties through today, just somebody who has followed Jerry lawler's career. In so many different capacities, and he is our guest here on the live cast Mitchell voice. You're familiar with probably as a live cast listener is co hosting the show today. He joined us about a half hour into the program and We welcome your phone calls. The phone number is six, four, six, seven, two, one, nine, eight, hundred eight. 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I WANNA get back now to Randy Hales Andrus Mitchell, but I want to introduce collartoo the mix so random. Bruce few had any follow up. Please make a mental note to go back to it, but I don't WanNA leave our caller here on hold too much longer Eric Code nine one zero. Thank you for calling. Please go ahead with your question or comment. Neither one. Is this you? Wait. Where you calling from my apologies. The my money's going. I didn't hear you at all. Your phone connection wasn't great. You Say David Frum Office. Yeah now we're better great. Okay? Yeah, some difficulties David. What's your name and where you calling from? Let's get that. David from Memphis, oh right. Okay, Great! Yep, go ahead, David. Thanks sorry about it. I was glad to see that ray was on on today because I grew up Kinda. You know in Memphis. You know randy sauce on him a little bit on TV it's. GROWING UP! You know with telephone restaurant and that he brought ex. There was a very fun time. When I was a teenager in Connecticut air years. What did what did Jerry Lawler? Went to the roundout survival a couple of weeks ago. That's an effort to save the seem. And was able to see the king live, and in person, and actually have a match there. And the DVD that was told what's actually sold out in the Memphis area and he had A. Signing and head to head to bring some some DVD's in personally for that. Burden. I believe they did that at best buy. David had autograph session and he was there, and I saw the video and lead. You brought that up the roundhouse. Revival. It was Kinda sad to me in a way because that's one of my favorite buildings of all times that they had the event and there was a lot of people there, but they had it outside. Because Electric has been shut off the. Building I've seen footage inside dominance. Sad, but it really gave me chills. Because back in the day. guys. When when any of the wrestlers would all walk the ringing up? Sure it was the same in Minneapolis or are in Greensboro they would be. Supported by the police and of three or four of them, and when lawler came out, one of the hills came out to the they had escort. That was neat that that, after so many years, and then even though they were in the parking lot at had the colosseum in the background to be escorted and Lords Jesse so sixty five years. Old and the presidency has in the Promo. A gave a in the psychology. Of the the match was unbelievable so I hope you enjoyed yourself Dave and I hope you got to talk a little bit today. Brown to lawler into the SIPA stocks. Yeah, took a selfie with Dave actually. In this weekend there's a Combo Convention that Lawler Lane special going to be out so I can. I can see both Dave Land So. That's that's great. The best wrestling of Traditional wrestling announced team I. Think in in the history of the business when I mean traditional, I mean to broadcasters, not a announcer in of. A Hill being color Gab, yeah I'm glad you had a good job. And a earlier in the show you were talking about. Some people just don't get a lawler, but I know. Get some sensitive movements or are pretty simple, but he tells a great story in the ring and he gets you know. The the crowd fired up when he pulls US drought so. There's no feeling like it. And and how old are you David? I'm thirty thirty. Thirty thirty three, so you around for some of the run. I'm I'm fifty. Four and so I would guess I thirteen fourteen, when just when I first started watching law, or maybe n