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"jack barsky" Discussed on AM 970 The Answer
"Official. Welcome to your taxes show. This is our one. Probably to be followed by our too. I don't know who arranges that. But it happens just about every day we have two hours in the second hour follows the first and by the way. We've got a lot of news here. First of all in our one, which is in a couple of minutes. I'm talking to Arthur Brooks. He used to be with the American Enterprise Institute. He's now teaching at Harvard and I have to tell you he's always fascinating to talk to. He spoke of the National prayer breakfast this past year. And he talked about loving your enemies, and I want to ask him about that because the president said he didn't agree with what Arthur said. And then we're going to talk in our too. To our friend Jack Barsky. Now, Jack Barsky. He's been on this program. He was a KGB agent. We're not making this up. It's an unbelievable story. We had him on the program a while ago. He tells all the details, but we wanted to talk to him about what he sees as a former dedicated Communist Now living in the United States on being a Christian and loving American freedom and aunt. I'm having some dental work done during the program. So if you hear any drilling or anything just realized that I'm having some people work done. Okay. Now, uh, dress didn't even hear this drilling. It's part of the fun of living in New York. You have one is mining into the bunker. Someone is mining into the bunker. You found you some chicken news, you know? Yes, we dio so we believe, bought eight chickens over the weekend one to represent All eight members of our family, so six little ones and to kind of larger little ones. They're called pullets, which means they have They don't have the down anymore. They have feathers. So there, you know, a couple months older than the little ones and so they could be outside in a coop. Once they have their feathers to protect them. You still hear this noise? Yeah, Yeah. Yeah, that's that's the KGB. You're gonna have Jack Barsky on later than trying. I feel like crawling out the window and saying, Hey, guys trying to do a radio. I'm dating myself, but it reminds me of for although trying to get into Al Capone's safe, remember, they had to drill into it. Get if they get in here. Well, they're working on the building that they should start. At the room where we do the radio show because just to get out of the way, so I honestly kind of wonder what the maybe the re facing the bricks or something? I don't know what you know, it adds up. A sense of fun to our program. But we were talking about chickens and I think, Yeah, well, confused. May so Yeah. So, so anyway, the news of the day is we built a coop last week. And yesterday was the first day that we put the kind of more more grown up chickens the pullets into their coop, So he transferred them to their new home. So they slept out there overnight and we woke up this morning. To make sure they weren't eaten by anything and we build a secure enough and they were still alive. So that's great news. There's still alive. Wow, That's great, Mike. Mike, By the way, my chipmunk is doing very well. A swell I've gotta pepper for him for today. My question is, have you got any eggs so far when he when he expect to get eggs? I don't get eggs from my chipmunk. I'm sorry. Yeah, we get eggs will get eggs in a couple weeks, and there's.
"jack barsky" Discussed on The Jordan Harbinger Show
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"jack barsky" Discussed on Darknet Diaries
"Would get groups of Fives Bokan digits. Five six four eight transmitted and I know the frequency to tune into but there was a call signal that three letters or digits that indicated Transmission was for me and then the whole thing started and sometimes it took a good hour to actually listen to the whole thing and write it down and then it took another three to four hours to decrypt this thing. Obviously anyone can hear that but it's encrypted and I'm wondering random letters and numbers because when I was a kid I would go up north and be stuck in this dumb cottage so we had a short wave. Radio was old is probably from the sixties or seventies and so. I'm a kid in the eighties and I'm listening to this and I'm here in other languages. I'm just wondering. Is there any chance at all? I heard something that was intended for us. Five is a very good chance that you heard something. That was encrypted. No doubt even as we speak I guarantee you traverse the short waves. You will hear digits being transmitted that are meant for somebody that is doing something that is not entirely legal in the place. Where he's doing it with shortwave. It's broadcasted you can never pinpoint the receiver. Which is the point right? You don't know the general direction guarantee you the NSA new. There's a Guy. You're someplace in northeast. Who's getting this every week? But that's all they knew there was no way that they could trace it back. To be you know shortwave still does break down the problems. So at least as a fallback shortwave. I guarantee you still being used interesting. How did you flip to eventually essentially becoming full America? I know they tried to call you home. Can you take us through that something happened and neither the FBI? Nor I have a clue why the Soviets at that point saw that might cover was about to be blown in I N. Absolutely convinced that they were in the belief they called me back and they called me back as an emergency departure. They've done this in the past quote back an agent and as soon as stage step on Soviet soil they are jailed or even executed now that the execution thing was in the past but Stalin did a lot of that even after Stalin. Some of that happened when they would call back ages eight. Listen YOU DANGER. They go back and boom. That's what the danger was. I was now in that moral dilemma and the moral dilemma was. Can I leave this? Eighteen month. Old Girl to fend for herself with the mother who didn't have much of an education. She came from a very poor country in South America. So I decided I would defy them that. I'm not returning I had money saved on. My county was a lot of money. You know those days. Sixty thousand dollars on the other side of the curtain was a fortune. The Russians had promised me a house and I was going back a hero and rejoined my family. You put this on one side of the scale on the other side. You have three things you got the FBI possibly chasing has to meet the KGB. Not being very happy with me not going back and then there was Chelsea. Wow and it was a chance that the KGB the FBI would come after me and that the KGB would not be very happy with me defying the orders to return and the only counter to all that reasoning was my love for Chelsea. This is a line. That's used very often very often unthinkingly but true. Love conquers all. How did you get away with that? I mean you had an encounter with the KGB at one point before you're blowing off right. Can you tell us about that? I was stalling the Soviets like pretending that I didn't get their message so I bought myself time for several weeks in one day. Put an end to that. And that they send one of their resident agents to actually tell me what the orders were and he said to me. You gotta come home or else you're dead and was up to me to interpret what that meant but could have meant your cover's blown and he didn't use the right word or was a threat you had to take the threat seriously because the KGB in those days did kill. And I knew that I wrote them. This led I understand. You want me to come back. And I'm not coming because I have contracted aids and this is the only place in the world. Where could treatment sorry? I will not defect. I will not betray any secrets and please give the money on my account to my family. Wow so it work. You've gained your American family extensively. You've gained your freedom. Finally I was out of the spy. Game I was off the stage of the international scene and I was just going to dedicate my life to my family and so when my American wife suggested that maybe we should look into buying a home. I got serious and I discussed with my wife to have another child. We move to a northern suburb of New York and within the bird four five months my son was born and so he had the perfect American family husband with a good job. Pretty Lengthy Commute Nice House. Two children career opportunities career was going well and that is why I was until the FBI caught up with me. I had to face my best. And Billy figure out WHO AM I. And how do I relate to this country that I'm living? Tell us how you got caught because the story is just not complete until you like you said had to face your past one day. I was stopped the other side of toll gate crossing the Delaware River. It was initially. It was a state trooper routine stop. We would just like to check your license in vegetation and could you step out of the car. I step out of the car. Still not having a clue what was going on and then I see out of the corner of my eye somebody approaching me from the back. There was another vehicle parked there before I could put two and two together fellow introduce themselves as Joe Riley. Fbi and he showed me. This badge would like to talk with you. What are you thinking at that point? Let's go through your head right then. I knew I wasn't big trouble at no idea. How big it was. But according to WHO is my friend to Riley handled this pretty well so once. They had me in their car. We drove for about a minute First Question I asked my under arrest and the answer was no than within another minute or so. I said so what took you so long. This was my intrinsic instinct to break the ice. I always do that I think. They chuckled a little bit and I think helped break the ice. How they found me was there was a defector that used to work in the KGB archives who defected to Emmett five thirty British version of the FBI and brought with him Ole Bunch of handwritten notes add amongst. Those notes was a blurb that says Jack Barsky on New York region. Oh man that's all. They had the Russian agent had found a gravestone with the name of Joe Smith. They wouldn't have found me but they're not too many Barsky from this country. Why aren't you in jail right now? That's what people WANNA know. Okay you get caught by the FBI. What are you doing here? I've done a couple of public appearances with Joe Riley who was deleted aged on this case and his answer was Mr Barsky was a whole lot. More valuable to US cooperating. Than in jail he would cost US money and we wouldn't have gotten out of him would be got in. That was valuable to us. Incredible they probably looked at the crimes that you have done in thought okay so he reported on how insurance companies work in the United States. I think we can get over that in exchange for looking at your crypto technology the frequencies where they talked to you other people. You might know who live here with those people. Look like that information seems much more valuable. You mentioned that you've spoken in public with the FBI agent. Who caught you? What's that relationship like at one point? I said to him I said you know more about me. I remember because the debriefing process was extremely meticulous. I mean it was six weeks intense. We got to know each other. We played a little golf together. We played a lot of golf together. And he's now the Godfather for my last child. This is incredible because this is a man who if things hadn't gone so smoothly would gladly put you in jail for the rest of your life or traded you back to Moscow which would have been death sentence and now he's your daughter's Godfather and you play golf the things I'd like to tell people. Don't lose your sense of cells as part of a group. Don't ever forget who you are interesting advice coming from. Somebody who's been many.
"jack barsky" Discussed on Darknet Diaries
"Hey It's Jack hosted the show. I'm busy this week working on the next episode. But while you're waiting I'd like to play for you another podcast. I think he'd really like it's called the Jordan Harbinger show actually had Jordan on this podcast. Which was episode fifty-six because he has a great stories himself and his podcast is an interview show and the guest. He has on our incredible. I'm just GONNA go ahead and play for you one of my favorite episodes where he interviews a KGB spy and if you like it should go subscribe to show so he go check it out Jordan. Harbinger show is one of the most popular interview. Podcasts in the world on the show your host Jordan Harbinger. That's me by the way deconstructs. The playbook of the most interesting people on Earth shares their strategies perspectives and practical insights with you. You're going to hear amazing stories from people that have lived them from spies to CEO's athletes. Art Forgers an FBI hostage negotiator and conman who can seemingly program our minds basically anything that will help you upgrade your brain so you can become a high performer. Both at home and at work. You're about to hear a preview of a very abridged version of my episode with Jack Barsky former.
"jack barsky" Discussed on KQED Radio
"But there is a possibility that sometimes but I your turn on new York are probably New Jersey Jack Barsky get out again the president spoke before boarding marine one on his way to see off a hospital ship headed to new York's harbor New York governor Andrew Cuomo says he recently spoke to trump but not about a possible quarantine Cuomo said quote I don't even know what that means Scott dentro NPR news Washington California governor Gavin Newsom is banning evictions of renters affected by the corona virus it lasts through the end of may several California cities had already blocked infections but NPR's ana Jaffe reports Newsom's order extends the protections statewide Newsom's order requires tenants who can't pay their rent to notify their landlords in writing no more than seven days after the rent is due valid reasons are loss of work because of the shutdown of most businesses were because the tenant or a family member is infected renters would have to retain documentation such as pink slips or pay stubs tenants would still have to pay their background when the order expires state senator Scott Wiener said that the measure did not go far enough because it does not prevent a flood of evictions from being enforced as soon as the emergency period is over I know Jaffe NPR news former senator Tom Coburn has died at the age of seventy two as NPR's Colin Dwyer reports the Oklahoma Republican earned a reputation for fighting federal spending no matter whom he angered in the process before he was elected the mid nineteen nineties Tom Coburn was a position but during his nearly two decades in Congress first in the house and then in the Senate Coburn earned a different kind of title Dr no he crusaded against government spending even put out an annual based book cataloguing right he found to be the most flagrant examples of it and he said it didn't matter to him which party was responsible here he is talking with NPR in two thousand six we're not here to raise money for campaigns we're here to make the tough hard long term decisions it's going to secure the future for the country governs former communications director said the senator died after a long battle with prostate cancer Colin Dwyer NPR news this is NPR from KQED news I'm Queenie Kim president Donald Trump signed a two trillion dollar economic relief bill yesterday KQED's guy Maserati is here to explain how the bill will affect us here in the bay and guy I think was top of mind for most folks right now is all the people who are out of work how is this bill expected to help them right well I think that's definitely top of mind where in the bay area this region wide lockdown has forced so many businesses to close lay off workers the biggest piece in this bill on that and it's a huge expansion of unemployment insurance if you're a minimum wage worker in the bay area making six hundred dollars from a job every week typically that unemployment is caps below three hundred dollars now Californians get to get that state unemployment and then get another six hundred dollars every week on top of that through the end of July and where does this leave gig workers consider independent contractors they don't traditionally qualify for unemployment rates typically they don't but those workers were included in this release bell so for example if you're an uber or a lift driver on the side and you've been laid off from your main job or have their hours cut you'd still apply for unemployment whatever that means W. two is coming from but if you're fully self employed those independent contractors will have access to a separate emergency funds through the end of the year where they can get unemployment and get that extra six hundred dollars a week for the next few months all right I know this is a massive bill but I'm sure there's folks who feel like they're wanting more right that would be California state government I mean look the state government's going to get an estimated fifteen billion dollars in that bill sounds like a lot but our state budget is going to take a huge hit as we see income tax sales tax capital gains tax all declining that's the money that's paying for frontline health needs first responders Medicaid our schools so state leaders already saying they're gonna need more than this bill provides all right that's KQED's guy Marsha Roddy and I'm Queenie camp KQED news support comes from personal capital offering online money tools to give users a three hundred sixty degree view of all their money personal capital dot com support for NPR comes from the Joyce foundation committed to advancing racial equity and economic mobility for the next generation in.
"jack barsky" Discussed on Unstructured Interviews
"In one's dead okay but okay but you know in the in the old rotate of resistance in the Nazi Times. The the Communists sales were organized in threes and there was one liaison that it was a liaison to another group of So it would have been very difficult to like erase Leeann Tire Organization and this is how this is how communists used to operate in clearly. It is significantly superior to the way the American intelligence works. Because you you leaders at the highest level. Oh that's true I mean I'm not praising the internals CIA has some pretty embarrassing history themselves. Sure but we're we're talking about nowadays. I mean there's lease coming not as much anymore out of the White House now. How's that that's just not acceptable? Especially when it comes to matters matters of national security and and that's one of the reasons I can't. There's a lot of things I can't tell you and what I what I have found out about my own existence ends and how the KGB operated is through people like Peop- folks from the FBI. That I know my my my new friend and newspaper interviews I myself was pretty dumb and blind. Suren I again. I don't blame you for that. I was just thinking that the expense of your training gene. And everything else to not really use you that much. That's when I would have saying when I'm like. It seems almost wasteful. Well okay so so. I don't know if they made it clear on the book. They had a really really good plan but unfortunately Fortunately with everything that happened in Communist and we all always had a good plan plan and then we failed to execute so used to plan being sent to the United States I acquire legal documents including a passport especially the passport that was experienced significant. That was the crown jewel and then I would have moved to. Let's say Switzerland Austria and then the plan was to set me up with the company and funnel a lot of money into the company. And you become Elon. Musk or somebody. I've become I've become reasonably wealthy. I moved back to the United States at that point. I don't have to tell anybody how exactly I acquired by wells. I just habit because I wasn't a successful businessman in the US. And at that point I I could have knocked to pretty much the doors of any country club and say hey you want to. And that's what that's when when I would have been able to do some damage but but because of the failure to acquire the passport that option that flexibility. It doesn't did not exist. I mean yeah I had to work my way up. You know twenty five years later I was actually positioned to do damage but you know I had resigned and Longtime before wow. It sounds like. There's a quote about war. That war is long periods of boredom punctuated by moments of sheer terror. Would that be similar to what you had no no. That's a laconic Noah. I'm sorry no no no I maybe I can. Maybe we will draw sort of a parallel. There were long periods of waiting and they were short bursts of action. But you know when you say war that now. That's too dramatic okay. Well a lot of seems like it was boring and I know you've described how it got to the point where the pike craft was tedious. Because it interrupted your day job it did and I'm not making it up. It did it because you know the computer programmer job was rather demanding and so I had to do the some of the things that had had to do with communication such as composing letters and putting secret lighting writing on them and then making sure that I'm not being followed writing a message and mailing. It took about six hours so that was now moved to Saturday so I didn't even have a social life and they did not understand this. Apparently there was no other choice. This is what they instinctively knew and there were a couple of remarks that I heard that indicated that they saw the shelf life of somebody like me would have been ten to twelve years because eventually you become the other person Okay so they assume that you would corrupt overtime yesterday. Dead but now what. They didn't know that that the corruption process was accelerated by having a baby girl in this country. Sure sure and I know that that that definitely changed every in the other person who was responsible for me talking to you she. She has to pivot points. And then it's it's the Mitrokhin fellow who brought the information about me to this country in when I was then apprehended. I can't help but wonder wonder too. Though if the timing of world history didn't factor in the fall of the Soviet Union had had to have an effect and I guess I'm asking asking do you think it would have been as easy to transition into being a full American if instead it was you know two thousand if it was actually nineteen eighty eighty. Okay so you you you making a good point My my staying here was not influenced by by the events simply because I had I had no clue what was coming I I- defied the KGB. You identified the order to return back home in nineteen eighty eight. The Berlin Lynn. Walsh fell in one thousand nine hundred eighty nine I I as well as the entire. CIA had no clue that that was coming. So that's number one number two. I had no idea that the Soviet the union was GONNA collapse to however and he has to. I think he is will question that you asked. If the Soviet Union and East Germany had still I've been stable countries They may have had more resources to find out what happened to me and possibly ably retaliate. They were they were way too busy to figure out what to do with the rest of their lives right and I was wondering wondering if you're welcome may have not been as warm if is in the middle of the Cold War versus kind of after on decide that is probably wrong because defectors have always been welcomed by either side there too valuable based on based on what they know in what they can share with a with a country that that did affecting to Now unless of course you're dealing with a killer or somebody who has committed serious crimes. I don't know how that would work. But but give you an example of a defector who I guarantee you was responsible danceable for a number of killings in and He he came to the United States as as a defector Maybe ten fifteen years ago. I won't name his name in public. He but but he is known He's known he's he's out out in public he's a he's an advisor to the Washington. DC Spy Museum but based on the position that he had indicates he be he must sign. That sentence is no way that that that didn't happen and he's he's still come here simply because he brought a wealth of information with him. Okay that's how it works on the spy world. You know you. Can you tell me what you know and I treat you really nice you know and some of the defectors will treat it a lot better than me they they. Will you know they would wind up in the witness protection program with a nice piece of chunk of money to start over. I and I just was allowed to continue my career. Perhaps because they didn't have enough tasks that they know it rationale. I understand that the the they literally didn't want to disrupt my family was so Americanized Americanized with two kids and a wife and end mortgage and a decent job and on and on to take out of the place where I lived in. Put Me Someplace in Utah With my children I think would wooded done a lot of damage to the kids. Oh yeah well you. You'd already done the job that they would be doing with the witness protection program or whatever you kind of did it to yourself herself. That's a good point without much help you know right so it's like well it ain't broken We'll just just we'll just leave it there. I WANNA reach back why did the KGB recruit you versus the Stasi recruit you. I see Initially when when I first came out in public I I guess that my first recruiter who spoke with me only twice overstock. Because because he was German I since Had developed some reason to believe that the first guy was a German collaborator greater for the KGB. Not Tell you who planted that in me. And I don't think that information make made it into the books folks Into the book. Maybe it did but anyway my my best German friend happened to be a new joined the Stasi eh and he became a major in charge of the Forgery Department and and he pretty much knew that the Stasi did not recruit on behalf of the KGB. He indicated that he may have had something to do with the with me being quoted a aw because he was he was approached earlier than me he was already a member of the Communist Party at the age of eighteen in I joined I was twenty so he was a. He was an early target in an interesting situation. He a year ago gave his first interview. Radio Interview Fascinating what he observed particularly in the last weeks months. Oh of East Germany in how everybody was flying you know running. I'm for the hills. Just I can't even imagine the transition had to be so Razi I mean think about So you sat unnoticed coming. But I know that I know the mentality because I was part of that thinking you you always knew that the communist system was better. You wouldn't let go of that belief you adjust hoping and praying for a better set of leaders because leaders and and so and then and one day the option of better leaders had disappeared. And now if you're middle age mid forties maybe even fifty. You've realized that you know the the cars you joined the life you had lived was either wrong or you're being wrong in the worst way so either way it it was like being hit over the head with a two by four so in that respect I I I was lucky because I- decontaminated very slowly. I mean the cognitive dissonance. It's kind of like getting them now. Democrats or Republicans to agree that the other.
"jack barsky" Discussed on Unstructured Interviews
"Today's episode is with Jack. Barsky Jack Barsky has an incredible story of growing up in East Berlin and ultimately being recruited by the KGB to infiltrate the United States where he lived for a decade right under our noses. I think you're going to really enjoy This incredible interview where we talk about. Not only his living in the United States under another identity but the psychological logical implications in the toll the of taken on him so after you hear it. Tell me what you think can always reach out to me on twitter at unstructured P also on instagram under the same name or even facebook. But for now I'll bring you jack. Barsky my name is Eric. And this this is unstructured or we have dynamic informal conversations with some amazing people..
"jack barsky" Discussed on The Jordan Harbinger Show
"To spoken digits. Five six four eight. Interestingly enough there seems to be an international national standard when it comes to encryption there's always a set of five digits so whatever is transmitted as in digital format and there's five groups of five Kohout is is used by the CIA was use the KGB has probably used by everybody. I don't know why but there may be a good reason to have these of five so no I would get digits transmitted as a write in the book that started in never changed. It was nine forty on a Thursday night just prior to nine forty four about tweet tweet minutes and I know the frequency tune into but in case to make sure that I truly find it there was a signal that had three letters or digits that indicated that the transmission was for me and then the whole thing started and sometimes it was pretty long. Sometimes it took a good hour to actually listen to the the whole thing in write it down and then took another three to four hours to decrypt this thing. And when I got really mad was when at the very beginning of this radio Graham I get something like congratulations comrade Blah Blah Blah on the international workers. Day You may I. I don't think the stuff that's clearly. That's a bureaucrat. Writing this in four minutes and then they don't realize it takes four hours to do. It was a bureaucrat. It was an ideologue as somebody who didn't think. Thank boxer couldn't empathize with what it was like to be me. Jeez yeah never was in your shoes because I'm thinking like look. This is shortly radio. Obviously anyone can hear that but it's encrypted and I'm wondering if it's just random letters and numbers because when I was a kid I would go up north and be stuck in this dumb cottage and so we had a short wave. Radio was old is probably from the sixties or seventies so. I'm a kid in the eighties and I'm listening to this and I'm here in other languages. I'm just wondering. Is there any chance at all that I heard something that was intended for us five because the eleven year old alden me is extremely stoked at the idea that I might have heard something like that as a kid. Oh as a very good chance that you heard something that was encrypted. No doubt I mean first of all. It isn't just undercover agents. Agency's do other agents that need to get a quick message in this. The quickest way of transmitting something and you transmit encode even as we speak. I guarantee you if you uh-huh traverse the short waves you will hear digits being transmitted that are meant for somebody that is doing something that is not entirely legal in the place where he's doing a while. Yeah because of course people think oh you just use the Internet for that you could but was shortwave. It's broadcasted you can never pinpoint the receiver. which is the point right? That's one thing that's correct. You don't know the general direction guarantee you the NSA new there's a guy you're someplace in the northeast who's getting this every week. But that's all they knew there was no way that they could trace it back to be. They could probably trace it back to where it originated. But I don't know if possible with short with on the the Internet there's all kinds of things shortwave still does break down. The still has problems. At least as a fallback shortwave. I guarantee is still being used interesting using. You're listening to the Jordan Harbinger. Show with our guest. Jack Barsky. We'll be right back. This episode is sponsored in part by hostgator. It's eleven o'clock. Do you know where your website is. Looks like there's another outage at your.
"jack barsky" Discussed on The Jordan Harbinger Show
"Us. And we'll hear about that as well. Well right here on the Jordan Harbinger show. If you WANNA know high managed to book all these amazing people about networking and tiny habits and consistency six minute networking. It's free Jordan harbinger dot com slash. Course go check it out. By the way most of the guests on the show they subscribe to the course and the newsletter. Come join us. You'll be in great company. Okay here's Park You with Jack. Barsky I WANNA know is it not also applicable to communism in fact to me this sounds like the motto for Communism Awesome. It's too good to be true. So it's not true yeah except under communism. They won so many opportunities to be taken for a fool. You were taken for full as far as your entire way of life was concerned but there weren't any shady operators. That could come up to sell you. Something that was so special a showdown as many there were some and by the way even capitalism. You know I know people with WHO I can do. Business on handshake. For instance by publisher if this were Society I would do another book just based on a handshake but in New York City. It's not very likely that you find white people like that out in public. Who Promise you a great deal definitely not what were some of the initial differences you saw between living and capitalism in New York capitalism H. Q. Versus under communism? There must have been some things where you holy cow. I really miss this about Communist society or this is so different that that sticks out right away to be honest I did vis anything. I really didn't miss. Anything would be more of a WHO. Who Am I missed was friends not so much family friends? Mike German wife but as far as way of life there was nothing to miss. I didn't even being a chemistry. Professor is one word supermarket the variety of food that you could bet there was astounding. The other thing I missed was German food. It was quite indicative when I had my first real apartment with a little kitchen. The first meal was boiled potatoes. Man We have those despoiled potatoes and butter. Now you got a job as a bike messenger and you're making deliveries all over the city. You once made a delivery from Russian tea room to Dustin Hoffman. The Dustin Hoffman. No that he came face to face with KGB spy of course not any by the way he was not highly regarded by us. He didn't tip. I was very cheap cheap. The Russian tea room was his favorite restaurant and he wasn't a hospital. I don't know what the reason was. That's incredible that's so funny. Doesn't often multimillionaire doesn't tip got got his food delivered by the KGB. So did Jacqueline Onassis. I never got to see her but I had a carpet. Sample delivery So there was some tenuous touch coins between the KGB and so rather famous people but they didn't amount to anything and you get married in Nineteen naty actually and you have a kid with girl. Linda how do you compartmentalize your two identities at this point. Right you've got spy mode and then you've got Jack Barsky American guy with a wife a kid mode. Does that not 'cause you just ridiculous amounts of stress and so when you ask the question how I can't add to but I did. It's really odd. This is one of the things that I had to really analyze. Whether that was true which nowadays I can say with some confidence that I had manufactured annual factored adult personality to some degree not fully and that was really clear about six years into my career. Here's an agent. So every two years I would go back and spend time with Kalinda that point my son. It was great to be home with great to meet my wife. If wise still loved very much my son have driven food drink. A lot of good beer felt like home termine again and so. This is what happened happened when I went back to the United States and I usually would not arrive in New York. City usually was a different airport so as to not run into people that know me as Oh had wait a minute you come from Europe. 'cause I was traveling on a different David false passport. So let's say I would touch down in Washington. DC or in. Boston get off the plane late night here. American English will be home because I already had the start of a good life. I started a career as a program on that work for Metlife I love. I love my team. I loved what I was doing. A had become so accustomed to the American way of life. Clearly not enough to ultimately stay here. Some people misunderstood understood that because I loved the American way of life of lease nice date was Chelsea my daughter but this certainly helped to a degree because I had Americanized to a large extent already after six years. Tell us about the process of Americanization. He started working at metlife. You make friends with this guy. I Patrick Year Insurance Job essentially starts to change your ideology. Can you walk us through that how that happened as I say. The book is one of the most evil entities entities that of capitalism to us as we were told in East Germany in those days. What the insurance companies? I had no idea why they would. Zero in on insurance companies was banks insurance. The company's Wall Street these days epitome of Capitals Evil. Greedy money quarters and people played others first of all. I spent three years in college the United States and that was interesting but at that point I still didn't know what it was like to be at work as an American I got my first job in an insurance company. I like the work. I mean programming for the first time in many years my brain got engaged again. I was allowed to do logic. I was allowed to create eight and then I met so many smart people and they were all really good people. They became friends. The other thing is metlife. In those days was a mutual company knows that but in those days mutual companies were extremely paternalistic. They didn't pay that. Well but they treated you really well D- Untold Compact was. When you find employment there you have a job for life and you will retire with a Golden Watch a great pension and then between you have dot security at metlife even gave us free breakfast lunch dinner if you care to eat three times out of their kitchen so that was completely contrary to what we we were told by then about the evil of the insurance companies on top of it? You know my bosses for all nice and he and I couldn't find anybody evil eye nude sort of that. There were some and they will probably in government in the highest level of American industry but at least down at the level of the work of be. I didn't feel exploited. That was a big change in my fundamental ideology and at that point I had shifted from being an ardent communist this to sort of becoming a socialist not too far away from where Bernie Sanders is. Nowadays that's interesting so you sort of shift from this hardcore communism. Awesome to all right. Let's just make things more fair for everyone. Like you mentioned Bernie Sanders. More fair sure. Capitalism is not a bad thing because it creates. Well we just WANNA make sure so. You know it's more evenly distributed. And interestingly enough there was a street that became pretty strong in eastern European Communist. Party's was called in convergence. Theory by which capitalism and Communism was on a path to converge becomes some kind of a happy socialist kind of conglomerate and this was actually also that had infiltrated the KGB. Because one of my handlers actually volunteered that to me without me even talking about it he says. Oh by the way CONVERSI- series words at and that's Gorbachev Wow and this ultimately how the Soviet Union eventually disappeared softened softened. It became very soft in its ideology and became therefore very vulnerable to to be over with. Now you started to feel at some point like spying was actually getting in the way of your job which I thought was funny. If you have friends who work in information technology you probably know what I'm talking about us. Worker bees who operated computers and computer systems often on call twenty four seven. A desire to do a good job of my competitive spirit was was focused on doing a great job for the company that started paying me very well and that included over time weekend word late night word night calls and all that and then I had to do. There's other stuff you know and when I talk about this other stuff there was tipping point. It would not at the beginning but when I started kicking in and became a really valuable contributor. It took about two two years when I knew that I was really good and I was appreciated by my bosses. That's when my focus shifted towards doing a good job for mid life rather than the KGB. Not Be and it became a nuisance. The communication as well as surveillance detection all this kind of stuff takes a lot of time in takes phenomenal amount of time. So what we're join US talking back and forth the information that I just give you for me to actually hand that amount of inflammation to the Russians. I would have to write it down. Take a picture. Put an undeveloped film into a container. Ask for a dead drop operation. Make sure that I'm not being followed. Dropped his thing some place and wait great to see that the person actually picked it off and as a sign some place that they picked it up the whole operation end-to-end not real time but end to end would take a are we to all kinds of activity in between that interfered with my real job so to speak so funny sitting there doing the insurance thing programming something something that you thought would be a aside cover and now they're saying hey we need a full report and he thinking these guys what a pain. It's so funny they're communicating with you. On the shortwave. By the way they're communicating with you. On the shortwave radio. Right how is it done. What are they saying? Because they're obviously not saying. Hey come in Jack. Barsky spy for the Soviet Union. What are you listening for on this radio? If you watch the Americans Americans. I saw this one scene where they were actually listen.
"jack barsky" Discussed on The Jordan Harbinger Show
"I know that because there were the teams that would be deployed boy to follow American diplomats or high level visitors from the West Army of them but the guy who was charged with these groups. I worked with him individually. It was a master of disguise disgusted in the book. The disguise is not what people think. What is a disguise? Typically that if it's not a wig in a fake moustache he was a mess muscled. misdirection the mess of like. Oh you look over here. I do something over there for me. To put on. A WIG wasn't absolute. No that's not since the surveillance teams sometimes used at least accessories. They might change even jackets or put on a scarf for you know put on a different hat. But generally this is one of the running feuds with the producers of the Americans because every time I see one of the agents with on I just shiver and his now agreement. TV Yeah they do look ridiculous wearing the whigs and you're thinking of course you look like the same person you just have another bad eighties air. Do what are you doing. Did you ever visit the Stodgy Museum. There's a picture of agents with wigs and funny hats on so ridiculous. Stop laughing when I saw that I must have been. It's been so long when when in the nineties so it's hard to remember everything that I did but when I go back I would definitely have to see that as well and I. I know that it's in the old. STODGY headquarters as well that I. I don't remember it's somewhere. Near in the center of combat. It does matter as I said wage are unknown in the enter counter-espionage measures took a lot of time. As far the training is concerned. I think that was the most thorough part of my training other than language. Do you have any tips for learning faces. You mentioned your facial. Recognition skills had to be on point. I think it's benefit talent. I've been told to even early on when I was a teenager. When we would be with a friend or with my family the restaurant and people would tell me stop staring? I was always daring people. I was always observing. There was no nothing. I practiced. There were no tools that allow me to better with uh-huh Partially a talent and partially focus. Yeah maybe you're looking at people's faces instead of being self absorbed or looking at their faces instead of looking at their clothing. The things like that while the one thing that may help when I look at people I usually speculate. Who are what they come from weather here? And and so now your brain operates already at a different level and I think it may make the visual stick better. So what are those three factors again. Who are they willing to control? I'm fro- Here and what are they gonNA do next. It's sort of like especially when you stationary this folks next to a table at a restaurant. I'd been very very curious all my life. And that's part of what makes you good at least that kind of activity. You're listening to the Jordan Harbinger urban show with our guest. Jack Barsky. We'll be right back after this. This episode is sponsored in part by zero. We've been using zero here in the company for years. Now it's cloud based accounting accounting software. We actually went after them to sponsor the show because Gen loves it she's been raving about it for years. It's fast. It's intuitive it's easy to use even for people. Well that hate the idea that you have to accounting your business at all and I know that sounds weird but you know who you are business owners where you're just like bookkeeping keeping control of my inventory. Enjoy a lot of our entrepreneur. Friends use it. It's what the cool kids are using these days for accounting for the business and you can give access to an unlimited amount of users if you need to so you're not swapping ping log in with your assistant and with your CPA and your account all of this stuff by the way. If you need an accountant zero can connect you to experts as well and it's month to month there's no contract contract you don't have to dive in and sign up for two three years the installs not this big to do..
"jack barsky" Discussed on The Jordan Harbinger Show
"On using your feelings to your advantage and also probably ignoring emotions when they are going to take you down a path that you should not go down and trying to stay calm under fire and I know that you consult for the Americans which is one of my favorite shows producer. Jason isn't just caught up as well an extra for episode five ten. I'm standing next to an entrance of a dry cleaners. Outcomes Gorgeous Russian Russian lady as she walks down the street in the put on my best buy located. I'm looking down the road and I follow her and then she stops in talks to some lady who comes out of the Coronell to enforce the best. Now Nice while keep an eye out for that. I love that show and I'm always been obsessed with the Soviet Union that started because I used to live in the former East Germany. Which is where I know you're from and I went to high school there? Oh yeah in Hala Zala no right right. Yeah that's about sixty seventy miles from where I studied chemistry. I know so when I speak German you and I probably have the exact same accent are year from the same area where I learned German ambition. Doing this wall yeah Zakian unhugged autozone us. You know that look. This is super interesting. I've been waiting for this for a long time. I'm very excited about this. I know that just to give a little context. While the allies rebuilt West Germany the Soviet Union effectively looted looted East Germany. Setting it a back about thirty years so when you grew up there was a struggle for survival. You know you had to clear your plate. There was not an food. I guess as we now know where that habit comes from for the United States for all of our eastern European ancestry and things like that. I know that when you're young you mentioned that your mother and your parents were pretty pretty cold. Can you tell us about your childhood because I think it does inform some of the things that happened later in your life. Yeah I reflected a lot about it because the bottom line is when you you think about people would bothers people or what is get sort of in the way of them. Becoming fully developing is usually the baggage they take within from childhood and my baggage was not necessarily all bad was disciplined. It was sort of a citizen in that the extremely long period of the delayed gratification and whether harm was was the lack of emotional love that was just done. I can't remember member any and that was somewhat typical of Germans in post World War Two but not necessarily to the extreme that my parents took it. No my pounds dislike didn't manage to even hug and kiss or say I love you. That just was completely not part of my childhood. Not Having had that you. You don't know you don't know what you're missing. You don't know what you should have had. The took me a long time to get to this partially because of having to reflect on my past partially when I was writing reading the book I was thinking about all this in the light bulb went on. And how I'm sort of making up for this I have a late comer. Six year old child in she gets mother would lawson kissing. I love you because I know it is very important. I think that's extremely important and I think a lot of people would agree that as well and there's story in the book where your stomach hurt and your mom made you take the bus to the hospital which turned out to be an emergency appendectomy so it seems like early on you learned learned to ignore your emotions. You learn to ignore pain. This is just like totally bizarre. When you think about it what normal parent in this day and age would make their fifteen year? Old Teenager walked to the bus. I could walk straight anymore. The pain was bad as you go to the hospital and again again. That was anything that I thought was the wrong thing to do. This was just the way things worm and it wasn't in fact a an emergency appendectomy that it could be performed in the book by the way deep undercover is the tidal my secret life and tangled allegiances as a KGB spy in America for those a who are looking for that will link to that in the show notes. It looks like Your Dad. He bought a vodka Brooke. And I've driven one of those cars. Did you ever get to drive when I actually worked worked for the KGB driven wife got a card with their help that was more of an upscale. There was a Russian may copy of an Italian always cold. A Lotta Never driven you know. This was the best thing you could buy. And those days that a piece of two stroke engine. There's there's a choke inside the car and it fills up with gas fumes. When you start at so you gotTa roll the Windows Down You? You're listening to the vehicle that was most used was the phenomenal trabant. Want Genearal Museum in Berlin these days and well exhibit is one of those things that barely fits like people mice is he. I don't know how four people fitted I burst out laughing. People didn't understand I looked at the label. It has twenty four horses wind. lawnmowers twenty six. That's amazing yeah. I know what you're talking about. You're talking about the checkpoint Charlie Museum in the Trabi trabant you're talking about. They sowed a person into the seat and then the the driver sat on that person and they drove out of East Berlin to smuggle that person out your member that yes you and I need to get together in person. One day Exchange stories. I I would love that. I am totally up for that. Sign me up to. Let's get back to before I get too excited a geeking out on East Germany stuff here. So they erected the Berlin Wall to protect you over there from from the West German Fascist Cetera. And at that point in your childhood you saw a bright future ahead compared to capitalism right. You're thinking wow we have the socialist paradise going on. What's the dialogue in? Your head is a young man. There wasn't a dialogue. There was a monologue. All we ever got was a heavy does of Communist ideology. which as as you know is very appealing to young people? You know the whole idea that we all can live together. Be Nice with each other and make sure that the rich don't get too rich and everything is jointly owned wonderful. This is incredibly appealing to young minds. And since we didn't get any counter argument that stock and that was informally chatting with you about the stickiness of ideology boy. Oh boy the stock with a coke for a long time. It is I- contemporaries of mine even though they got royally screwed by the communist state are still deep down inside their communist. Yeah it seems like in your book again titled Deep On their recover. The school doesn't have any discussion. The truth comes down from the top and that played a part in once you became a spy when she became an operative you have this near Delusional usual confidence and very little emotional attachment which probably comes from your childhood as well as learning and propaganda and things like that and you talk about how this affected some of your early relationships and obviously you brought some of those patterns with you which no matter what anyone might look back. Twenty twenty hindsight sorta shows okay once he joined the communist Communist Party as a brilliant chemist. You got the knock on your door from the mystery. Guy Who still don't know who the heck that is of course they're looking for people like you right. Oh absolutely I mean I was also most inviting Was a standout. I got a national scholarship. I was active in the Communist Youth Movement. I was a member of the party at the time. They recruited me I am a spotless record. And then I fathered a child out of wedlock which by the way in those days. The party didn't like a lot in the normally they would've would've called Read me the riot act. Nothing happened so I was already out removed from the masses quote unquote and I was judged by. We're using a different yardstick. I had joined delete not necessarily knowing it but I know the nine. That's interesting so by the time you're in the KGB. You are already the untouchable to some extent inside the government and we see that in shows like the Americans were there busting people who are doing a bit of a racket at the supermarket in Soviet Russia the woman goes off and goes. You don't understand. This is how the whole country works. You reason you don't see it as because you're in the KGB and the two guys are sitting there that gives them a little bit of pause because they realize oh yeah we kind of do get special treatment. Maybe this is how people survive. Yes I was untouchable was above the law because I broke laws internally earliest well as in other countries. I wasn't courage to do things that you want supposed to do. Like watch Western television I was going to the West right but when I crossed the the border between East Germany and the Soviet Union I was always bypassing customs and Pasco control so I was young. President really feels good. Because I never liked rules. I really you know had a problem as a child and I almost got kicked out of school because I was rebellious until I learned to fit in otherwise you know life wouldn't be so good but when I got the official imprimature to break rules in support of a good 'cause you know it's having a cake and eat it too. which in real life doesn't has not been but for a while I added? Yeah I can see the lure for a young person doing that and when the KGB was recruiting they had you doing profiles on other students and on people. Well what we're those profiles. What are they having profile while the proof typically though what are they like just very general profile? I I strongly believe that this world SORTA exercises for them to determine how well I can judge others the KGB didn't do internal spying on he's trump's In it wasn't really very well targeted. Now when I profile people while in the United States I also had the angle too. Could they be useful to US US being the Soviet Union. And so how could they be recruited such as they have weaknesses they have ideological preferences. They need money they have a drug habit owl any of the oil that stuff when I profiled my fellow students in those days Doug was the early beginnings and and was just like undercover work. WanNa one very very elementary. So they were just trying to see. Yeah how can you read people. Is there some sort of light reconnaissance but that it's it's basically a drive around to see what you can do. They sent you to West Berlin. When you're you grew up in east Germany you're kind of in this era especially post war? Not a lot of things are being rebuilt. There's a lot of propaganda coming down from the top. What was your first impression of West Berlin when you finally were able to go and see it firsthand? I don't know if I wrote that in the book if I didn't Nice should've because I told people on time ago than my first impression was oh wow they got caller and so I would tell people you're not. The West was a movie shotton Colin in the East they only black and white because with immediately hit you was that contrast between the Brown and the gray and all kinds of calls that were visible once you step out of the subway and appeared on Western territory. So it's kind of like going out of black and white movie and into a technicolor. Yeah indeed and that was enemy territory. Now go on ask question that would be. What did you figure out that might be better on the other side? Plus I did. There was a reason because they took all the wealth away from Third World countries. And so. That's why you had poverty in Africa and South America because the evil capitalists such as in England and the United States Franson West Germany. They became rich because they exploited the the rest of the world. You're listening to the Jordan Harbinger. Show with our guest. Jack Barsky. We'll be right back. This episode is sponsored in part by Simplisafe simplisafe now in some states. The week after Christmas sees.
"jack barsky" Discussed on I Spy
"Jack Barsky is a former. KGB sleeper agent. He wrote a book about his experience called deep undercover my secret life and tangled allegiances as a KGB spy in America I spy as a production China Foreign Policy Are Executive Editors Dan Ephron Rob Sachs and Amy Mackinnon help produced today's show. The interview with Barsky was conducted by Amy Mackinnon. If if you have tips or suggestions please write to us. I spy at foreign policy DOT COM. If you like the show please subscribe on your favourite platform and leave us. A review foreign policies subscribers can go to our website to hear bonus episodes of ice by with additional excerpts and interviews this week we'll talk to the FBI agent who exposed exposed Barsky the to our nell golfing buddies. If you're not a subscriber go to foreign policy dot com slash subscribe for access access to all of the magazines great content next week on the show. Israeli Massad operatives set out to assassinate the leader of the Palestinian group. Moss butter are forced to save his life instead. So what was developed very rapidly was some kind of poison that once it's being being sprayed on somebody's skin. The person reliever shortly after death feel dizzy will go to sleep. And we'll never ever wake up that episode next week on. I spy I'm Margo Martindale..
"jack barsky" Discussed on I Spy
"My name is Jack Barsky. I came here in. Nineteen nineteen seventy eight on behalf with the KGB as a undercover sleeper illegal agent and then ten years later I decided to to stay here at another like fifty years became an American citizen. So that's my background from foreign policy. Welcome to ice by real life. Spice Stories told by the people who were there. Each week we feature one former intelligence operative from somewhere around the world describing one operation. I'm Margo Martindale on Today's show Albert Dittrich Aka Jag. Barsky who was born in east. Germany recruited by the KGB and sit to the United States to influence American policy-making Barsky began again is mission to the US at nine hundred. Seventy eight at an especially fraught period of the Cold War within a short time the Soviets would invade Afghanistan. The US would boycott the summer Olympics in Moscow. And Americans with elect the staunch anti-communist Ronald Reagan as president. Barsky risky was one of hundreds of sleeper agents. The Soviets planted in the United States over the years history begins at the University of Vienna in East Germany. Where Barsky risky was a college student? I'm sitting in my dorm room. I was Zeh third year student of chemistry and it wasn't a Saturday. I was doing some homework Ready to you know finish it up and eventually have my night of carousing and drinking and all that and it doesn't work on the door and I said come on This short little guy who quickly introduced himself as a representative of the big company in town called size which still exists. Today is one of the one of the best optics ex company in the world and in those days was split half of it wasn't East Germany and West. So he said you know I'm from that company and I would like to talk with you about what you would want to do after you graduate. That was one heck of a stupid story because in those days no company ever recruited in in in College University. You were assigned to your next job or if you were in the top five percents you could pick. But uh-huh but companies just didn't come so his cover story was idiotic so I knew right away that something is up here. He is not from Kansai Zena again. He's not from this company. He is most likely East German intelligence because he was German. And we talked a little about fifteen minutes and ended was like Blah Blah Blah. I already knew sort of what he was after. He didn't know that I know. And after those was fifteen twenty minutes however long it took he he changed his tune. He said you know. I'm not really from Kasey with government Could you possibly imagine to work for the government. In the future I saw nobody was was asking. So I said Yeah. But not as a chemist Bingo we were communicating sort of between the lines. I know what he was asking for and he had the right answer so he said okay. That's wonderful We should meet again and then when we met again A weekly Ta in the Best Restaurant in town. Where a steak with French fries? I five marks which was a lot of money and so he invited me to have a sort of a it was like a mid mid afternoon dinner And this was great man. I'm going to get a free meal and the Best Restaurant in town so I'm walking in there. They're not. I see another person next to this Guy Blonde Taller and so I didn't can. I approach him so my Recruiter Cruder got up and says come come on okay. He introduces the other fellow. He says this is Herman. And by the way we're working we're working without Soviet friends BINGO. I knew it was. KGB in the meantime we ate the meal we talked a little bit about this that and the other nothing special Then the fellow who You know I got in touch with me at the dorm excused himself. And say okay. You guys you know you just like and from then on I worked with the KGB guy the word KGB was probably never even stated it was clam and not only that it was clear that I was was not recruited to be an informer on you know internal enemies of the state. I was recruited had to do espionage in the West and that was very intriguing. The way this was played with. You can have your cake and eat it to. You can be a fighter for communism and enjoy the privilege the village of a reasonably wealthy capitalists. Hello on top of it. Immediately you get elevated to a very very special in sort of people and that that was intriguing on top of it just the the whole idea that somebody comes to you as hey. We think you're really good enough to do this. So I was flattered. I might my eagle. The went through the roof oof and on top of it. I knew I would be able to travel to the West. Well so I moved to Berlin. That's where my training started. Once I got into this training reading my cover story was that I was working for the State Department of East Germany But obviously you don't go to work every day you don't meet a lot of people every day day And every one you do meet you have to lie to so I. I didn't have a lot of inter action that I had while I was still a student at the university and so it was quite lonely but the whole idea of where I was going carried me along a long way. I had no problem lying to my mother. I have no. I had no problem lying to my brother. I had no problem lying to anybody. Yeah I met. I knew I was going to be somebody Berry special and I knew that I was GonNa do great things my goodness when you had twenty two twenty three years sold. There's nothing else that that that could motivate you any more particularly if you're wired the the way I was There wasn't a lot of emotions in me. It was all about success. It was all about doing better. It was all about pleasing my parents. Even though they were not physically present I was always wired to do. Do better than the rest.
"jack barsky" Discussed on Timesuck with Dan Cummins
"Legs. Tied spread often female thugs were helping butchers to do this. Can you ever come back to being a decent meets AC a decent human being after you've done something that shitty like in the human soul, ever recover from? Going to a place that dark did anyone ever go from being like that prison guard to somebody who, you know, helped elderly women cross the street. Sadly, I bet some did it is a Megan how well the human mind can part compartmentalized just atrocious behavior reminds me of Chiquillo stabbing a raping young girls and coming home to being love and father, and grandfather, I hope hearing about behavior like this is always somewhat shocking to me man, we can be so cruel to each other. Lot of the torture was based on humiliation as much as it was pain Dansk rights for humiliation. This intelligence intelligence Yemen. So some spies Moseley was chained provided with a Pravda newspaper enforced forced to defecate in his own bowl. And then one can assume he was forced to literally eat his own shit. Dante describes the gulag meals that didn't consist of one's own shit here saying bowl of slum Guliani and three hundred grams of bread were all the man could hope after working entire day outside in cold trying to get a fake society prisoners, boiled, bread, and salt and water swelling tag on foot and prison graveyard with the result. The inmates were saying gulag was worse than Nazi concentration camp in the last. Rhino mentioned here today, Danny goes into detail about the severity of prisoners starvation. Saying having no possibility to stock up on food and distant northern camps getaway. Thugs often were taking inexperience inmates with them to kill and eat in prison slang such victims were called Cavs like like a like a baby cow even the proximate number of eaten. Cavs is unknown. Again. Oh my God. I don't know. Exactly. We're talking about with getaway thugs, but I do understand what he's saying here. When when people were just literally, you know, putting the gulags almost to be eaten all of these atrocities, many others were committed by the Soviet secret police, and that is plenty for today's super scary stuff. Okay. Then we're all now very painfully aware of how exactly terrible gulags were. And they were you know, the Russians e-group leases main instrument of punishment for dealing with internal dissension. Now. Let's talk about what they're doing abroad, you know, during the jump into the mid seventy s talk about some more spice stuff. This time was talking about a KGB agent who worked in the US Soviet spies regularly embedded themselves all throughout US culture. Believe that they still do on numerous KB KGB agents have infiltrated the CIA FBI, NASA, other important government agencies stolen, billions of dollars worth of important technological and military information. One KGB spy that the American authorities. Eventually did discover was a man known to the west is Jack barsky, Jack's real name was Albert Dietrich born Germany and based on him being caught and confessing into how he snuck into America. We're able to get a little bit of insight into how the KGB trained spies because of him Dietrich started down the road espionage in the mid nineteen seventy s he was on track. Become a chemistry professor at an east German university. But his talent and intelligence caught the eye of KGB recruits, and he was sent to Moscow to be taught to behave like an American. It's not you've got to turn the KGB down when they recruited you now. Without a good chance. You in die soon after he was sent to the US this idiotic adventure. As he now calls it had a lot of appeal to an arrogant young man, a smart young man pumped up by the idea of traveling around the world and living above the law. So this particular guy, you know, he was kind of excited I recruited I was sent the United States to establish myself as a citizen and then make contact the extent possible to highest levels. Possible of decision makers, particularly political decision-makers Jack wrote Dietrich was twenty nine at the time. I was sent to New York in the fall of nineteen Seventy-eight posing as a Canadian nationalist because no one suspects Canadian, I guess right called William Dyson upon reaching the states the fictional. William Dyson vanish into thin air only to reemerge..
"jack barsky" Discussed on The 11th Hour with Brian Williams
"But she was tasked by someone to come out and do this with in a within a circle of operations that appear to surrounded the entirety of the Trump team. She's just one. Shen between her and Alexander torsion to influence, the NRA to influence, the Republican party and to get the Donald Trump like you said real trained officers right case officers of the VR would not have been able to get the Donald Trump and ask him a question. But civilian subcontractors can because they are not actually assets that could be quickly and easily identified as as members of Russian intelligence. And that's where I think it's successful Jack have less than a minute. If she'd been the pro that you were if she'd been immersion full immersion pro spy, can you imagine what she could have accomplished in this country. I am very very very very dangerous. But I just want to say I agree wholeheartedly with the assessment that there's a whole lot more sort of contributors. Unofficial of folks that don't not employees of espionage agency. That that sends out these days. This did not happen in my time. Malcolm Nance, Jack barsky. Let's have this conversation. Again, something tells me, we'll have no shortage of subject matter. Thank you, gentlemen. This was absolutely fascinating on a Friday night. Now, we moved to this the aircraft spotted in the skies and on the ground to our south that got the attention of the federal government will explain when we come back..
"jack barsky" Discussed on The Jordan Harbinger Show
"There's no so Russia has safer food than well, or at least in that domain yet. But the Europeans don't allow rectum either rights. That's a little red flag. Are there? I don't know at not that I trust. What what any government initially will do because of the the powers involved, but whenever we're the only country that allows certain chemical and the food and Moyes like are we just late to the party here? So the look into yes side, but that's an instance of a very specialized thing, and the the TR choose the quotas that we were allowed in terms of poor could chicken, so those are not things I knew a Stanford professor even working at the White House. And that's where it why you need a team of experts to help you get ready in a book from Cold War too. Hot piece. There are some stories. There was one in particular where I think it was like nine AM, and they brought in vodka or something like that. And you're going, well, guess I gotta take part in this. Yeah. There's gotta be some areas where you go. Look, I'm not doing this or or do you have two other courses that you guys take where it's like look. They're gonna bring advised guy. Yes. It's going to be seven thirty in the morning. You just have to deal with while there. Our courses, you know, we're sitting right now at the freemen spoke the institute for international studies, we call it here FSI at Stanford. But the State Department has their own FSI, the foreign service institute and out there, they train their diplomats in all of those. I mean, they train them in the languages, but they train them and all these cultural things as well. I didn't have the luxury of spending a lot of time in the Cy only got a day and a half of training because I was at the White House. You know, and I I literally said goodbye to President Obama and Biden in the morning, and I was sworn is faster that next Africa turn and two days later as on my way to Moscow, but though, yeah, you learn those things I had lived in there already. But but there there's some tricky things, and I made some mistakes, I definitely made some mistakes both in my use of language in particular. I think for me, that's you know, if I have some regrets. It was when I had a little too much confidence in my use of the Russian language. Okay. I did because I've been going back and forth. Forever chair. Right. I'd stop writing Russian, you know, longtime ago because I don't know I don't write in Russian, but I do read Russian and I speak Russian. It's one thing to just be doing an interview for your research or speaking to friends and Russian and a seminar. It's another thing to represent the United States of America in Russian. Yeah. And I made some mistakes, I use some slang one time. That was improper. I I should have said and it was on the record. I didn't know is on the record, by the way. That's another thing you need to learn. You're always on the record yet. You should always as a US government official. They say it's distant informal seminar. And then somebody's sitting in the room as a journalist, and and that became news. I should have said. I was referring to Russian here geeze economic relations. And at the time Putin was trying to get the the government cure STAN to close our airbase in curious, Dan. And what I should have said is he offered him the, but Kia was his name the president. He offered him at can economic assistance package. That's what I should have said. Okay. Would I did say is I said the slang in Russian Zad key. Which is bribe. Oh, they must've loved that. They did not like that. They were extremely upset at me. And that was, you know, those mistakes, he hikes, and that, of course, that got printed everywhere. Yeah. You're accusing them of bribery. An all the step of my gosh, it speaking of all this sort of injury. And always being on the record. You mentioned there were some spa sleeper cells of spies, they'd sent the United States. And this was all kind of under the table and off the record. Yeah. And we actually interviewed someone for the shows names. Jack barsky, have you heard of this guy? Oh my God. Yes..
"jack barsky" Discussed on 1410 WDOV
"Just to see how to dress and planning events in the future fourteen ten deal newsradio fourteen then w v jack barsky is going to be joining us here in a second checkmark is a is is really a russian spy lived here in the united states for a long time he's an amazing life just an amazing life and he lived really the life of the the fx show the the americans in fact he consulted on that for a while which premieres again tonight i think its final season tonight if you haven't watched the americans i love it i love it i season is like okay i got it you can have sex i got it they wanted to prove with sizing so and then they were like and people actually got interested in the story line in so they're like okay we don't have to do sex all the time that is seemingly what a lotta series really is sucky win with the sex and violence early sees right and it just gets to be really really smart and good and and really takes you through the nineteen eighties and a show in a way that i i haven't seen done before but anyway that's that's premiering tonight jack barsky is going to be on with us because i don't know if you saw this you remember when i said that the the hyper speed weapons i thought was a was the russians playing us just like ronald reagan played russia with star wars we didn't have laser weapons do they have hypersonic weapons they say yes interesting story came out yesterday that china is now saying that they have hypersonic weapons as well so the story that i read from from the military industrial complex was they have them and it's an arms race and we are way behind on hypersonic weapons that's exactly what happened during the nineteen eighties that collapsed the soviet union is this real or is this a replay of ronald reagan in reverse on us with russia and now china jack barsky next glenn beck mercury data rates may apply hi i'm frank thomas the.