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The Ceiling You Can't Break Through is Made By You
"This is Jaakko podcast number two, fifty, three with Dave Burke and meet Jaakko willink. Good evening. Gave good evening. So. Last couple of podcast to fifty one with Leif Bob and two, fifty, two also day burke we're continuing to make our way through. This book right here guidelines for the leader and Commander by General Bruce Clark. Leif and I made it up to page thirteen. David I. Last time we made it up to page twenty eight. There's one hundred seventeen page book. Just almost impossible not to find lessons and say to yourself. I don't need to worry about that section right there. So the take these. Experiences from this. Leader Commander. and trying to play him and this this book was the guidebook. For my biggest mentor Colonel, David Hackworth. Author about-face. And there's so many threats. I just noticed that thread today or on the last podcast, the thread between General Clark and making the men stand to them being okay with it once they almost got overrun and Hackworth just there the threads just connected on that last podcast. So the threads keep getting connected. If, you want to see the threads of the way hackworth learn to lead. Which? In turn taught me how to lead they all tie right back, General Clark so that's we're doing. We're tracking these left lessons to their root cause to their route. To the source. And learning as we do it. So part three of guidelines for the leader and Commander by General Bruce. Clark. first-section section we get into today. One Chapter Five. The conduct of inspections? And I'll tell you there's as I was as I was parsing this book the first time I prepped for it I thought late and I we're GONNA get through half of it. And I thought Leith and I will do back to back podcast we'll be half, one podcast. So, we'd cover sixty or so pages, and then we do have we do come to him back to back. We made it through thirteen pages. So now as I'm reading it, I'm looking for like the breaking point where I can go. Okay. This is a good section this section today the the end of this section where to cover today is It's it's. It's freaking. Epic I'm I don't feel that we're around very often. So we'll get there but this this chapter five starts off with. The. Conduct of inspections and the first question is why inspect and then it says there is a saying in his nation does well, only those things the boss checks. This truism originated insofar as I am concerned from a speech that I heard made by vice president of one of our largest corporations this is not a new thought to anyone who has military experience because I have often heard it expressed as anything that has not been inspected has been neglected. I changed the way I said that word neglected, but it made it sound a lot better. So anything that has not been inspected has been neglected. If these things are true and I think they are it follows that anyone who has important position must be able to check in on or inspect the operations which he's responsible Leif when life saw this. I. Think I sent a picture of this delay because this is you know a line that I hear life say a lot. It's a line that he heard me say a lot and we always attributed to, Hackworth. We always attributed to Hackworth. And guess what it didn't come from ACWORTH. So how to inspect return about how to inspect civilians often think of a non commissioned officer and officer as a demon inspector. A demon. Inspector a good inspector is certainly not a demon but good inspectors are not plentiful in the army or out of it however, to be a successful non commission officer or a successful officer wants to be a competent inspector. This quality cannot be attained without a considerable amount of study planning and practice now. This is interesting because. I wasn't sure how much of this section to cover because. Inspections are not something that I utilize to any great extent as a leader. When I was a leader I didn't inspections was not one of my big tools. And so I thought well, you know. We'll talk about it. You certainly have to inspect things and I get that and that's why I would say that Hey, an organization does well, the boss checks. I've said that many times and I believe it but also. I believe that if I have to inspect you that means I'm doing something wrong somewhere else you know what I'm saying like if I've got it if my Gig I've to inspect you. That means I'm making some other kind of mistake somewhere because. Should I have to inspect your weapon is ready. Should I have to inspect that you've prepared for an operation I have to inspect that you've done the work that you're supposed to I shouldn't have to inspect if I've led correctly. Then You know why you're doing what you're doing, and therefore you don't really need to get inspected because you understand the why you make things happen. So I've always had that attitude. It's been very successful for me. So I wasn't sure how was sure how much I was going to get into this whole inspection mode because what I don't want to do is create a bunch of leaders that are going out there becoming these inspection. Happy. Dig Down How come and inspect you use funny with my kids. A belief the. Whenever my wife's not around my kids are they have to do everything right? And so I'll say are you what time will you be ready for inspection? They just get so they know what that means I'm going to inspect I'm going to inspect any better squared away so. I didn't want to create I. Don't want to pass on this. This idea that hey, gotta be Inspection Inspection Freak.
Guidelines for the Leader and Commander
"Is Jaakko podcast number two, fifty two. With Dave Burke and me Jaakko willink good evening. Dave. Good Evening Echo Charles is taking care of some other business. On the last podcast. Number two, fifty, one with Leif and we started getting into the book guidelines for the leader and Commander by General Bruce Clark but we only made it thirteen pages in two and a half hours, and it's one hundred, seventeen page book. To, recap a little bit, this is a book that I searched for for over a decade I originally heard about this book in my favorite book, which is called about face by colonel. David Hackworth. Finally, found a copy a month and a half ago. and. So here we are just a little background once again on General Bruce. Kark. World War One. World War Two Korea enlisted in one thousand, nine hundred and up going to west point colonel in World War Two. Then a general commanded the Fourth Armored Division in Patents Third Army. Battle the Bulge Distinguished Service Cross three silver stars forty five years. Of Service? And then spend a bunch of time not only leading troops but also training troops or overseeing training commands so. Awesome Career Hackworth talked about him glowingly in the book about face and That's where that's where the star took me a long time to find this book. Who did somebody texted me about it. And said, it was the white whale. that. It was definitely hard for me find this book, but we have it and that's it. That's what we're GonNa do where do you go back into this book? So here we go back into guidelines for the leader and commander by Bruce General Bruce C Clarke. This section starts off with administration some thoughts for the commander. And he says inflammation, I would like to point out the close. Interrelationship between training programs. And Sound. Overall management. So this is something you know when you're that young gung-ho leader. That just thinks, hey, where you're operate whatever that operation is whether it's shooting machine guns or whether that's out selling things or making things and you think, Hey, I'm I'm on the front lines I'm going to make things happen and you think all the administrative stuff you shouldn't have to worry about. That's not me. And I know many individuals that are like that I know one individual in particular like that whose name is Jaakko. 'cause I was definitely like that. Many commanders. I should say I. was like that when I was younger because I absolutely I realize this and you can hear. We'll talk about the paperwork drills that we had to do and how. Life. Came to me. We shouldn't have to do this stuff and I said Oh we're going to do it and we do a better than anybody else. So I figured this out but it is it is definitely a learning moment that people have and so why not learn it right now many commanders are defeated by poor administration. Imagine that just that statement many commanders are defeated by poor administration not defeated because they were tactically unsound not defeated because they made bad decisions not defeated because they couldn't come up with a good plan they fail because their administrative losers. Without. Sound Administration at Commander CanNot Succeed in his training and maintenance programs. Good. Administration is nothing more than applied common sense. I'm including here a number of items that may well be considered a checklist of indicators of sound. Administration. Number. One. Importance of time. The principal coordinating device in the army is time. Learn the proper time space factors. So you can be on time and make reasonable demands of your subordinates. So. So that's number one by the way, which is probably why you hear a lot of talk about time management. Just think about the idea that the first thing he's GonNa say is time this is someone who clearly understands that have all the resources in the world that we have. That's the one that matters the most because we just can't produce more of. I was GONNA say it's the it's the one that matters the most and it's the absolute one that we have the least control much control. You have time you zero you cannot stop it. You cannot bring it back. You gotta say the power curve. I hate that fewing. I hate that feeling and let me tell you what. I realized this a while back. So when you go to the airport if you show up at the airport late. In now look TSA doesn't care that you're late the baggage handler doesn't care that you're late the uber driver does not care what time your planes leaving they're they're doing what they're doing, and so what that does is it takes you have no control. Over that time once it started to commence, what do you have control over going to the airport a little bit earlier? That's all. That's all not that big of a deal. Go to the airport a little earlier, and you won't have to worry about TSA. You won't have to worry about baggage you won't have to worry about. How long it takes for the Uber driver or the left let's give proper. Credit or lift driver to show up and bring you to the airport. Not so so how'd you get control? You can't control time once it's unfolding you can't bring it back you have to you have to plan for appropriately. And there's a there's a sense of urgency and I have a pretty good sense of urgency and you you may have may or may not I know like at the monster especially the earlier musters when we weren't. When the backside wasn't quite the well oiled machine that it is now certainly as a well oiled machine now the early musters do. Not a Well oiled machine. So on the on the front side, people would know that when Leith and I were walking out on stage at eight o'clock in the morning, we had two hours sleep because we had to do whatever we had to do behind the scenes and that's just the way it was. I can feel I can feel. When the shortage of time in fact, I think I feel the shortage of time every single day single waking minute.
What's Your Story
"This is the Jaakko unraveling podcast episode nine with Daryl Cooper and me Jaakko, willink. So. Last time we were talking about. The stories that we tell ourselves and then how We get stories in groups in those start to expand in those start to unify people together. And it seems that we have an instinct towards. Some level of those. Stories unifying us to a point to where we start to drift into just straight tribalism. And then we actually use those stories and change those stories. As a tool to strengthen our tribes even more. And I know you had some some interesting stories, slash myths. That that that kind of represent that very well throughout history we've seen this it's it's it's tapping into. A basic. A basic way that our mind structures reality for us right I mean if you think about. How you teach. The youngest children something if you need to teach them something, you need him to tie their shoes right? How you GonNa do that through imitation you're gonNA show them do what I do. Right that's the same thing that like chimpanzees how they teach their children things. As they get a little bit older was the next way that you're going to teach them stuff probably maybe by like five six, seven years old you're GonNa Start Teaching them basic things about what a good person behaves like whatever you're GonNa do it through stories right? That's like the next level up. It's like later on down the road, you can start talking about kind of concepts right? You can start teaching them. Teaching somebody things in terms of you know instead of telling you a story about prince charming and this is how a man should treat a woman. You're going to learn through this story and internalized that maybe later on, we can say this is the essence of love and how love operates and Blah Blah Blah but stories narrative is how we how we structure reality and understand things and very, very profound way. Yeah. I've written a bunch of books. The two of the leadership books that I've written actually all three of the leadership books that have written are. Heavily based on stories stories from combat and then stories from the civilian sector. And and obviously people the feedback I get all the time and we have the principles written in there in extreme ownership in their leadership. We write the principal clearly in there. Hey, this is called covered move. This is what it means. But people never say Oh, thanks for spelling out the principal for me. They say Oh love the way you guys told the story in that I could see it. So yeah, this is not just something that we do for kids I mean the. With US sticks with US forever, and it's such a great way to to get your point across much more powerful way and for certain things, it's the only way. Right I. Mean. There's just like you're not gonNA tell somebody breakdown into philosophical concepts had a tie your shoes. You just got shown him and tell him i. do there are certain things that? You just have to use a story. That's the only thing that's really going to serve that purpose and elucidating the principles we are really doing there is saying, okay, you know all those stories this one, I just told you in the book. Yeah. But all those other ones you've always heard and there's that there's that thing that the leaders are doing something. This is what it is right and so you're drawing out that communality and those stories by stating the principles. interesting when you said. These you actually brought it up perfectly in my mind. When you said these stories, we tell ourselves can be unifying, and then that same story can become like a divisive type of tribalism right and it reminded me of this this book. call. It's book about the. Rwandan. Genocide by Philip Gourevich who also wrote a really powerful book on Abu Ghraib actually it's very, very You, know? Eric. Weinstein. Actually knows that guy believe he's married to a friend of their family and if at all possible I think it'd be a great guy for you to talk to certainly possible. Just incredibly, morally sensitive writer just a very, very interesting guy anyway, and so in this book about the Rwandan genocide, what's it called we wish to inform you that tomorrow will be killed with our families. I have that one I haven't done it yet. Man I I did Michetti season was kind of. All right. There's one there's one more maybe it's that one life life laid bare? Probably switching is by the same guy who wrote. Interviews the victims brutal. It's as brutal as you think. Yeah. and. So in this book, we wish to inform you that tomorrow we will be killed with our families Goes through when it's just harrowing book as You can imagine at the end of it. He relates this story. That took place. As the genocide was winding down I believe in this girl's school in Rwanda. Some of the entire homeway militias were still running around the rebels had come back and we're pushing back against him, but this was still ongoing. And a bunch of them came into this girl school. And we're trying to figure out who are the Tuzi. So we can kill them all. And they were telling him you know who to girls on one side tootsie girls to the others and on the other side and either girl he's a grade school girls. They refuse to separate themselves out from the Tuzi girls in so that they could know who they were, and one of the girls said that there are no who Tuzi here. There are only Rwandans here. And a lot of them died they all the killed, all of them rather than kill none of them and eventually somebody came broke it up, but a lot of them died. And if you think of that like Whoa okay That's something that in a lot of context were told is a dirty word that's nationalism right I mean that's what it is. Nationalism in the United States is what got Irish people and Italian people in German people to say Oh Germany's attacking people in Europe. We gotta get together and go over there and stop them right. Very unifying thing. That same force is what got Germany to start the fight in the first place. And so identity is a very interesting thing because you go up above the blood level. And everything after the blood level is a story. That's what it is right and you need a story to keep it together. You look at a place like United States we need a story more than anybody.
Knowing What Leads to Victory
"This is Jaakko podcast number to forty five with Echo Charles in me Jaakko willink good evening Echo vide-. Also joining tonight is Dave Burke leaving dave good evening. Did you make it to the status of Honorary Co host. Yes No. As thinking, we're getting their people want to know why they call him a good deal Dave. This. The fact that we've been talking about this is why check back again tonight with more combat lessons from the. From the document called combat lessons. Document written in the throes of World War Two and what they were doing interviewing. Frontline leaders and front line troops. Fact. The subtitle is rank and file in combat what they're doing and how they're doing. We've covered to these so far, and this is the third one. And you know sometimes I, think you know, I mean, we kinda get the idea right and I'll start thumbing s I started thumbing through. This one is you know do we really need to cover another one of these? So I started coming through it and you start reading these things. And I can't put it down and I'm still learning and so. I figure if I'm learning, we can all learn. Why why try to hold back from the people? No reason. We can get right into it. So here, this combat lessons. Volume Three. and. We've done to these so far actually I forget what number podcast they are, but we've covered to these volumes is the third volume. And this is what all the volume start off with this. The paramount combat lesson learned from every operation is the vital importance of leadership. which is really an interesting thing that we say. Every single time we talk to people are equipment or supply, and above are all men and above all our men are splendid. Aggressive and determined leadership is the priceless factor which inspires a command and upon which all success in battle depends. It is responsible for success or failure. And that is. July third, nineteen, forty, four. Starts. Off just jumping right into leadership command need for leadership comments received from all active theatres continue to emphasize the need for competent and aggressive leaders. This is especially true as regards junior officers and noncommissioned officers. Who tended General Courtney Hodges who observed operations in? North Africa and Italy stated. Before, I even get to that. Why is it? So why is it just so awesome? That they're just pointing out over and over and over again in each one of these volumes that leadership is the most important thing on the battlefield. And yet. We. Work with companies. That have no leadership training for their people. Until Axel Homefront shows up and then I guess they do. But it's bizarre. that. It's bizarre that it is so hard. What makes it? What what day? What makes it so hard to see? That leadership is the most important thing. What do you think makes it so hard to say I. Stumped. Good. Yeah. There's a couple of things I. I don't think people. Realize how impactful leadership is almost convinced themselves that hey, are what we can do is. We bring people with these skills or are our software, Sweden. They get. So wrapped up in all these other components they lose sight of the fact that this thing intangible thing that you can't really track with the with the spreadsheet they lose sight of how important it is and I think the other part that we've seen a lot now is. People lose sight of how often you have to keep addressing leadership, and so they think it's sometimes eight. No I understand what a good leadership and they think they are applying it but they don't realize that. Hey, I've gotta keep addressing this over and over and over again and they lose sight of not just how important. But also how important is how hard it is to sustain it and we come work with companies. The more we work with them and the long work of them. The more they want to keep doing and they realize man had I had no idea how long this journey was going to be. But the ones that figured out. To. They. They. They elevate quickly they so good so fast when they make it a priority. The first thing that you said. You are defacto not detached when you're inside of a company your firefighting day to day, you're trying to figure out what the next quarter is going to be. You're trying to figure out what's going on with the sales team. So you're in it and so you you start to lose track of the fact that this is this is. All about leadership. Yeah. So that happens and that's why when we come in with a company. We can immediately see because we are detached.
How To Tell Your Employees The Truth
"So Dave here we are I want to talk a little bit about how we got here in why we decided to do this. What we do. Sean Front. Is Work with companies we talked to them about leadership we try and pass on the lessons that we learn about leadership. We try and help them along the pathway and help the organization align all of their leadership. We do the same thing with e Af online, which is our all my platform. And we spend. Basically, all day every day talking about leadership with. All these different individuals and all these different scenarios and we. When these things happen, you know there's issues that get resolved. There's issues that get. The don't get resolved and take another move in another step, and we spend a Lotta time debriefing these things and I. I was thinking and we were thinking that it would be. I've got done. One of these things and I said Nice if we had recorded that debrief and let everybody know that. There's solution to that particular problem. A lot of good topics, lot of universal lessons and we thought it might be cool to put together a podcast about that. So here we go. We try and keep it a little bit shorter than the normal Jaakko podcast not talk for hours. So we people can digest them get the lessons in move on try and keep up maybe like a half an hour something like that. Cover a couple of topics. So with that. Dave let's debrief we got. The cool part about talking about leadership. All Day, every day. I can't think of anything else. I'd rather be doing. And the conversations were having are these real time problems at these companies are struggling with and when we come up with a solution and makes a huge impact and I think the connection I was making when we're talking to it is how useful back can you don't have to be at this company for the lesson and the takeaway to be useful for you? So. This is pretty universal. The first company. This first conversation we're having it came up recently and the thing is crazy about it I probably had four different companies that I've been working with just in the last couple of weeks all dealing with the exact same thing. Gobert hits. Early March. The whole thing everything kinda shuts down. And, one of the first things we were talking about you talked about this on one of our very first eve online sessions you gotTa. Tell your people the truth. and. This is an emotional time you gotta say detached from the emotion, but you have to tell people the truth. And one of the things I think a few. People did was in their. Fifth Concerned about making their people worried. They said, hey, there's nothing to worry about. Everything's going to be fine. We're not letting anybody off we're not gonNA, make any big movements and so in the interest of keeping people come, they said something that in in in the short term actually kept them pretty calm. Hey. Yeah. Nothing to worry about. Let me ask you this. What was what they were saying the truth. So No. It wasn't the you say. That you can. You can pre identify the issue that you're going to have when the out of the gate, what you're saying is not the truth. Yeah, and here's what you gotTA. Watch out for his. I think. that you understand you might think you understand and you kind of bolster your opinion because you know it's the easy way. It's the easy way to roll. So I look and go hey, what this viruses hitting it's going to last a month. You know what we can we got enough funds will be fine. We're not laying anyone off. That's the truth as you see. The part that you're missing is you don't know. That's the part that you're missing, and if you remember early on when we were talking you national on front I said. Hey, this is a virus. It's going to run its course it just like when you get sick as a human being with virus look when you get a bacterial infection guess what you go and you take antibiotics clean you up that's just what you do. With a virus there's no, there's no antibiotics. It runs its course, and then it's you spend three days in bed. And then when it's over, it's over you lose. Five, eight pounds of whatever. Because you can't eat or you're sick or you're throwing up and then you get down is over and then you go back to normal life and I just thought to myself. Okay. This is a virus is going to run its course. In you just extrapolate that out to the nation and you say, okay, well, the virus that's what I did. Okay. The virus going to run its. And actually when you look. When you look at the world. Many places. That's exactly what it looks like. There's a massive spike, the virus runs its course, and then it's kind of gone. The. If you look at easily right now massive spike people dying it's awful and then it's over, it's run its course. So that was that was my opinion of what was gonNA happen but if you remember. When we talked about what we were going to do it s front. I said we could breath hold through this thing meaning, Hey, we could just be like, okay. Batten down the hatches. Let this thing get go through and we'll be back on the road. Two months and we'll be back to normal business.
The Ancient Ones
"Welcome to kiss myths and mysteries I'm your host kit chrome. Today we're GONNA take a look at a mystery at mystery at least as deep as Amelia earhart. What happened to the honesty Indians? The honest are originally from Siberia during the Ice Age what became native Americans crossed over a land bridge it appeared because of the low sea level. The Ana Sasi tribe eventually settled in what is now era sonal well, maybe not how they were a native American culture flourishing in southern Colorado and Utah and northern New Mexico and. From about one hundred ad whose descendants are considered to include the present day puddle people I dug a little deeper and discovered that the name on a Sasi means ancient wants doesn't make sense. The Apache were given that name Apache by their enemy if it's true that the. Came over from Siberia or existed in what is now American southwest around one hundred ad as some speculate than it is doubtful that they would have called themselves the ancient ones but what's in a name and what happened to them? This was not some small tribe in the eighteen eighties when many of their dwellings were found on the face of Mason, they were dubbed cliff-dwellers. Many of the dwellings were over six hundred feet up and built into sheer cliff faces. Some were a dozen stories high and consisted of over eight hundred rooms. There were grain rooms rooms for dining rooms for sleeping today's and estimated that the on Sasi numbered about thirty thousand, one theory dates, their disappearance between six hundred and thirteen hundred ad again, what happened to them perhaps like the Mayans they migrated were simulated the Zuni, the Hopi Indians? Oh, today believed that theory one Hopi elder explained about a thousand years ago. The elderly reportedly said, the Pueblo was visited by savage strangers from the north. The villagers treated the interlopers kindly but soon, the newcomers devastate their farms and that is why they began to build their homes high up in the cliffs. Okay. That explains why they lived in cliff dwellings still what happened to them? Where did they go contemporary scientists think that life was pretty good for the ancient ones why then did they end up abandoning their magnificent agriculture and permanent homes to migrate hundreds of miles and seemingly lose their cultural identities and Hopi Land Suny. And the Pueblos the upper real `grande, oral histories of the Hopi Zuni Pueblo people as well as scientific findings suggest that the exodus from places like Jaakko and Mesa Verde may have been. Family by family or clan by clan and may have occurred over a hundred years. Scientists suggest that things like poor sanitation should pass. An environmental degradation may have caused on Sasi to move think for a minute of a cliff face village six, hundred feet off of valley floor with eight hundred rooms where the residents for maybe five hundred people where did the sanitation factor play out? It would have been an awful long descent to use a local capital unlike the hokum people to the south on a saas he did not build huge irradiation canals on a Sasi diversion and collection of national precipitation was not irrigation in the usual sense in general their dry land farming. On the natural blessings of rain and runoff melting snow often they helped mother nature by building check dams, terracing hillsides. So locating fields near the mouth of royals springs one of the largest of their water conservation efforts was a five hundred thousand gallon reservoir at Mesa Verde after poring over dozens of documents and stacks of books I realized that no one has come up with an answer of what happened to the thirty thousand plus on a saucy unlike a lot of ancient civilizations left scrolls and etchings on the walls on saucy left nothing. So where did they information? We have on these cliff waller's come from to Colorado. Cowboys are said to discover the magnificent cliff towel structure at Mesa Verde. On a bitterly cold day in December eighteen, eighty eight, the male members of the ranching family soon became amateur archaeologists, digging gathering selling pottery weapons, tools, and other artifacts mostly to museums even without formal training, they were able to identify major distinctions in the pottery they found and conclude that different sites were occupied during different time periods in the late twentieth century the melting of more sophisticated scientific techniques and contemporary native American Indian knowledge has dramatically increased. Our understanding these people for some time many scientists have gone about their business privately evaluating physical evidence and police seen theories about the long gone a Sasi scientific speculation about the mysterious disappearance of the builders of the cliff dwellings continued to the current era.
interview With Marine Gunnery Sgt. Justin LeHew
"This is Jaakko podcast number two, forty, two with Echo Charles and me Jaakko willink. Good Evening Echo, meet evening. The president of the United States of America takes pleasure in presenting the Navy Cross. To Gunnery Sergeant Justin de la Hugh. United States Marine Corps. For extraordinary heroism. As Amphitheater Assault Platoon Sergeant Company a First Battalion Second Marines. Task Force. Tarawa. I Marine Expeditionary Force in support of operation. Iraqi Freedom. On Twenty three and twenty, four. March two, thousand, three. As regimental combat to attack north towards on Nasariyah Iraq lead elements of the battalion came under heavy enemy fire. When the beleaguered United States Army Five, hundred seventh maintenance company convoy was spotted in the distance. Gunnery Sergeant La Hugh and his crew were dispatched to rescue the soldiers. Under constant enemy fire. He led the rescue team to the soldiers. With total disregard for his own welfare he assisted the evacuation effort of four soldiers, two of whom were critically wounded. While still receiving enemy fire, he climbed back into his vehicle and immediately began suppressing enemy infantry. During, the subsequent. Company attack on the Eastern Bridge over the afraid he's river gunnery sergeant. Hugh continuously exposed himself to withering enemy fire during the three hour urban firefight. His courageous battlefield presence inspired Marines to fight a determined foe that allowed him to physician his platoon's heavy machine-guns to repel numerous waves of attackers. In the midst of the battle and amphibious assault vehicle was destroyed, killing or wounding all its occupants gunnery sergeant La- hugh immediately move to recover the nine Marines. He again exposed himself to a barrage of fire as he worked for nearly an hour recovering casualties from the wreckage. By his. Display of decisive leadership unlimited courage in the face of heavy enemy fire. And utmost devotion to duty. Gunnery Sergeant La- Hugh reflected great credit upon himself. And upheld the highest traditions of the Marine Corps. And the United States. Naval Service. And That is. A. Citation. About. One episode. In one marine's life. And it doesn't explain everything in that marines life nor does it explain everything about the Marine Corps? But. It does give eight? Glimpse. into. What Marines do? and. What are American servicemen are capable of, but it's only a glimpse. And you know these these citations. Throughout the military when you when you go to different military bases, not been too many many military bases around the country around the world, these these citations of heroic wards. oftentimes, they're they're posted in various places around the based on on the walls in the classrooms on quarter decks. and. Throughout my career starting as a young. Young. Kid I would stop. And I would read through these. These citations and I would always wish to myself. I would always wish that I could meet these men. And I could talk to them. And I could learn from them and I could see what they were. What they were really like. And with that in mind. It is an absolute honor today to have that opportunity as. Sergeant major retired Justin La- hugh is. Joining us. To share the experiences that he had and the lessons that he learned. In his service in his life. Justin. Honor to have year. Thanks for coming out. It's honored to be here with you today Jaakko and you, etc.. I Um. Every every time I get to talk to somebody and just learn from their experiences and man I've had the opportunity in a we were talking a little bit about this. You know the the opportunity, some of the people that have come on this podcast just unbelievable to to capture their lessons from guys that were on Tarawa e Jima. And just incredible and it's an honor for me to sit here and and be able to. Capture some of these lessons for for people not just not just soldiers not just marines. But just people. So, that we can learn from. Let's. Let's start at the beginning. What started let's start at where you came from. So you were born in. Columbus Grove Ohio is that right Columbus, Ohio small little farm community, but two thousand people. Think it's been upper down of one hundred over the past one hundred years does up there. Kinda was like any Norman Rockwell painting that you would ever say and it was a great place to grow up when I was younger, it was a play she didn't lock your doors. It was a place where parents told you to be in by the time the street lights came on. I truly was like the fabric of America You grew up playing Little League Baseball Pony League Baseball You grew up knowing every kid in the two schools that were in town because it was kind of like a little Northern Ireland it was either Protestants and Catholics wasn't anything else. It was kind of those two choices and for grades one through eight there was the Catholic school that was on the other side of the railroad tracks, and then there was the public school and then you knew by sports and buy. Your neighbors you knew everybody and it didn't matter if it was K. through twelve, you knew the kindergarteners because you were school with their brothers and sisters. It was a really tight very hard working community
The Unravelling 4: War Party
"This is the Jaakko on Raveling podcast episode four. With Daryl, Cooper and me, Jaakko willink. And, we're about to pick up the thread. Of JAAKKO GOING TO WAR I WanNa read something from. Tom ricks book fiasco early part from the earliest part of the invasion because I want to give people an idea of. The fire. You were jumping into in September, October. Two thousand three, so the war started in March. and. The conventional forces the Iraqis the resistance in the cities. Is precisely the match for the US military that you think it is, and we burn through them and. The Third Infantry Division gets up into Baghdad quick. They take the airport they make their thunder runs through the city, and the regime collapses very rapidly. That's in March early April. And this passage is. Referring, to appear now April into May. Quote. Baghdad was falling apart in front of the eyes of the US military with buildings, being looted and parents afraid to let their children outside, but no one had orders to do anything about it. Looking back several years later, Colonel Colonel Allan King the head of Civil Affairs for three ID spoke of April, two thousand, three with slow chilled tone of horror and his voice. I got to Baghdad was told. You've got twenty four hours to come up with a phase four plan. On the night of April eight Colonel John Sterling Chief of staff of three ID came to me, and said I just got off the phone with the court chief of staff, and I asked him for the reconstruction plan, and he said there isn't one so you've got twenty four hours to come up with one. King was stunned. He had been asking for months for just such a plan and had been told that when the time came, he would be given it. Lacking clear orders about what to do once. In Baghdad, the Third Infantry Division more or less stayed in place in the capital. You didn't find many dismounted patrols with three ID recalled J. Garner a retired army general, not one to lightly criticize his old peers. Kind of stayed with their platforms. That is their. And Bradley Fighting Vehicles. On April. Sixth Lieutenant Douglas Hoyt a platoon leader with three. Id saw looters for the first time. I remembered looking through the sights on my tank at people and trying to determine if they were hostile or not, he recalled later. He didn't stop them. It was not our mission at the time. The divisions official actor Action Review. States that. It had no orders to do anything else. Quote. Third Infantry Division transitioned into phase four SASSO. That's a security and stability ops with no plan from higher H. Q. IT reported. There was no guidance for restoring order in Baghdad creating an interim government, hiring government and essential services, employees, and ensuring that the judicial system was operational. The result was. A power and authority vacuum created by our failure to immediately replace key government institutions. The president announced that our national goal was regime change. This is still reading from the thirty report. That our national goal was regime change yet. There was no timely plan prepared for the obvious consequences of regime change. As a matter of law and fact, the United States is an occupying power in Iraq even if we characterize ourselves as liberators. Because of the refusal to acknowledge our occupier, status commanders did not initially take measures available to occupying powers such as imposing curfews, directing civilians to return to work and controlling the local government in populous. The failure to act after we displaced the regime creating a power vacuum, which others immediately tried to fill. Now. I. Know that War is very confusing. Thing and nobody has a plan after the first punch thrown the fight. There were. Some decisions made in the earliest days of this war that I find pretty inexplicable specifically because they went against the advice of the military and the intelligence establishment, and they were made seemingly for ideological and political. L. Paul Bremmer he was the civilian who was. Sent over to head the Coalition Provisional Authority the CPA the civilian authority structure in Iraq.
Extreme Ownership - Jocko Willink
"I also get this question of you. Know Hey Jaakko. I understand the idea of extreme ownership and I get it and everything, but you know what do I do. What do I do something goes wrong, and it's and it's actually not my fault. What do I do that? And I said wait a second. You're saying you're in charge of a project. Yeah, and some someone on the project makes a mistake. Yeah, and you don't think that's your fault. No, no, no, because I wasn't there when it happened or it was a guy. That's five layers below me in the clan, obviously not my fault. then. These people are obviously missing the entire idea of extreme ownership, because if if I'm the platoon commander and five levels of rank below me in the chain of command, one of the machine gunners shoots his machine gun in the wrong direction. That is absolutely my fault. As a platoon commander, one hundred percent. Why because it means I didn't train that guy properly. It means I didn't screen him properly. It means I didn't educate him on the importance of his field of fire so that he knew that he was shooting in the right direction, it means I didn't talk with his fire team leader and his squad leader, and make sure that he had the instructions that he needed. All those things are my fault. They're not just lip service. They are truly my fault. And what this means is look. If I say hey, machine, her made a mistake, not my problem. Okay well. Who Fixes the problem then? Who Fixes the problem. The machine to machine wanted to make a mistake. He doesn't know what to do so if the machine makes mistakes, that's his fault. What changes no, when I take ownership of it, I say okay, but here's what's going on. Here's what you need to think about before you shoot your weapon. Here's what you need to know about your field of fire. Hey, fire team leader. Here's what you need a brief. Your guys on squad leader. Here's what you need to make sure the team understands and now everyone is taking ownership of that problem, and that's when the problems get solved. Man I feel like this small business owner parallels. There are huge and a lot of times we see it. Come up like we'll get on a coaching call with someone, and they will complain for forty five minutes about this team member, and then the way you sat down all that complaining. Is You just say we'll remind me again? Who hired that person who let that person in the door and it's like so you have a hiring process. Process problem or a training problem but your problem who selected that person who hired that person who trained that person who's keeping that person on board? That's right answering me that Oh. Yeah, that's right. It's you
The Toxicity of Ego with Jocko Willink
"I'm your host. Alex jet and today we have A. With Jaakko Willing Jaakko was a leader that has become a regular on this podcasting and a friend of our team. He's a retired Navy seal, and the CO founder of Echelon Front and his book leadership strategy and tactics is an absolute masterclass in the practical fundamentals of leading well, but at the core of every practice habit and mindset. The JAAKKO teaches is an idea that if you don't conquer your ego, it will conquer you. You know I was very lucky. In the fact that in my career I worked for some guys had big massive egos, and you wouldn't think that would be lucky, but it's very lucky because you get to see what drives them, and you get to see the impact that it has on the rest of the team, and so your ego is something that's constantly there and look. As you know from the book. That I caught me of leadership that I wrote that I'm not saying you shouldn't have an ego, and we all have ego and ego can be a very positive thing. It's what drives you to work hard toward drives you to want to win, but when you start letting your ego, drive your decision making process, and you start making decisions that satisfy your ego instead of helping out the team, and helping out your subordinates, and helping out the people above you in the chain of command. Allow those things to happen. You're going start to go backwards and you'RE GONNA end up in a bad position, so you absolutely have to keep going check. You have to be looking out for other people looking out for the team looking out for the mission and put yourself at the bottom of that list. And I think one of the topics that you really highlighted for me. I realized like okay man. You really have to remove your ego to achieve this. Is that topic of detachment so I'd love for you to dive into where you became aware, because it's almost like it's like the six cents thing that lots of people aren't even aware of so tells a little bit about where you became aware of this as a strategy, and then what it actually is Jaakko so I hate to make it sound like one moment in time I was enlightened and I figured it all out, because that's absolutely not true, and I'm still in the process of moving forward and trying to figure it out. That being said as I talk about in the book. Leadership Strategy and tactics. I was in my first seal platoon I'm a new guy and not only my new guy. I'm the most junior ranking guy and on top of that I'm the youngest guy so I have. Absolutely no, no reason to be speaking. You know being a new guy in a seal platoon. You keep your mouth shut. You do what you're told you trying to learn right? You're trying to learn. You're trying to figure things out. We had been going through our pre deployment workup so doing land warfare and doing urban combat, and doing close quarters combat in jungle training, and we'd been through all those blocks of training, so I was progressing down the path of being a good seal, and we went on one trip. We were going to clear oil rigs, big oil rigs in southern California off the coast. You know in case were overseas and an oil rig gets taken over by bad guys. We can go take it back. So we're training for that mission and. We start off small just by how we're going to get onto the oil rig, we practice getting onto the oil rig. Then we start actually moving through the oil, rig and oil rigs are these crazy complex structures, and as you come up from the ocean. No once you get on board, the oil rig when you. It's actually called oil platform when you come up. The platform you up the stairs. You eventually get to this big giant deck big giant floor of the oil platform. It's called the cellar. Check for whatever reason. That's what it's called, and it's a big massive big massive area, and we only have sixteen guys in the seal platoon. So as the first couple guys get to that seller deck, they make this tactical call of flood, which means hey, it's a big area. We need everyone everyone a platoon up the stairs, and as we all know platoon, come up the stairs. We all fall into our standard positions, which is all of us standing like a skirmish line? Looking at this seller back so you've got sixteen guys. All sixteen of US seals in the tune where all standing there staring at the potential targets and the seller decks covered with equipment and gear and mechanical. Very cluttered thing and there's all the possibility of all kinds of places for bad guys to hide. And so I'm standing there. Looking down the sites of my weapon scanning for targets. And you know ten seconds go by, and then fifteen seconds go by, and and now I'm waiting now. Twenty seconds have gone by them waiting for. One of the leaders in my seal platoon to make some kind of a decision to make a call on what to do next. I'm standing there doing my job. Scanning targets and another ten seconds and twenty seconds go by which seems like ages. And, so finally I say to myself you know what I guess you. What's happening, so we're all standing in that skirmish line. We've all tracking whether weapons. I take a step back. Step back. Maybe a foot, maybe eighteen inches at the most I looked to my left. I looked to my right. And as I look I, see that every other guy in my seal platoon. is still staring down their weapons, staring down the sights of the weapons scanning for targets, and as you can imagine when you're staring down the site of your weapon, your field of view is not very wide. You can't really see a lot of what is happening well as I step back and looked around. I saw that every single guy was staring down the weapon, including my platoon commander, including my platoon chief, including my platoon assistant commander, including my platoon leading petty officer all the people that should have been making a decision. We're staring down the sights of their weapons so. It's pretty obvious wants I. Step back what we needed to do. So I. summoned up all the courage I could open my mouth as a new guy and I said old left clear right, which was a standard call. Nothing spectacular, no incredible, tactical genius here it's a standard of hold left clear right, and after I said that I kind of braced for. Someone to yell at me and say shot, up new guy. But instead they all actually did what they're supposed to do. Which is repeat the call down the line? Everyone said hold left clear I old buff clear out. Hold left clear right, and then they actually did it. The guys that were on the left side held in the guys that were on the right side started to move through. And then we continued on with the rest of the clearance, and we got to the end of the clearance, and we got into a little huddle to do a debrief. And we got into the huddle the debrief once again. I kinda braced for impact because I figured I was about to get smacked around for being a new guy with a loud mouth. And instead one of the senior guys in the platoon. says. Hey Jaakko good call on the seller deck.
Bad habits and baby voices
"I will. I just got back last night from Kansas House in Kansas. For four days filming a I was hosting a show with zeiler Falkland because no beauty in the bolt checkout. She's great together. We hosted this inventor show called make forty eight and it's about ten groups of people that get together in their forty eight hours to invent something design it make a one minute fill and do a pitch to basically like three sharks and then the best person the winner wins ten thousand dollars and we have a lot of fun it was it was a great experience and I got to meet some really great people I got a? I got to meet a patent trademark lawyer who I'm going to continue to work with shoes. Amazing did little log segment on her. So I'm looking forward to putting up. She's amazing What else also jokingly. I was on a plane yesterday and you talked about. I was waiting to get on the plane in the Waiting Area. A Guy kept side. I I was like okay. I wonder if he knows me so I just ignored it. And he kept side iming and then at one point I got up and talked to my phone and I held my phone to him and the whole back of my phone says dressed on it right after I got off the phone. I was wondering if that was you and I just saw the back of your own. If you don't mind I just WANNA say hello. He's very nice guy. He's dude he was coming Albany to do some electromechanical worker. What he does reliving. So you're talking but I realized I'm trying to be discreet having my name plus on the back of my telephone. It's probably not no. He was asleep. Dude but traveling was Was everybody's worried about me traveling but everything was fine. It all X-ray only so three people with masks through four airports. I mean through four four times at the airport Taylor said to me straight away when she picked up. She's like a lot of people wear masks necessarily so three people. So and there's lots of hand sanitizer around so it didn't seem to be the man the big deal that at least it seems like right now. Who knows where it's going but traveling was great in any event was a lot of fun. And that's going to be on the air they're going to edit what we shot into ten episodes of TV the last two or three of which will be the winners developing their product outside of the show trying to develop their products sell blind so check that out that would be season four of make forty eight so their season one two and three already out there in in last last year this time I was a judge on season three so I was one of the judges this time I was actually host. So where's this going to be like? Where's this available? It's on It's it's got coverage of ninety eight percent of the PBS stations across the United States. A PBS so I think you can go to their website and see. The old episodes previously published seasons this three previous seasons. It's weird that I never heard about this thing. But at workbench on they made a big deal out of it and like You know you guys all the people that were going to be hosting stuff got up and talked about it and stuff and I'd never even heard of it or maybe I just never heard of the name. Yeah well I probably mentioned it last year but it is it. You know. It's it's a little tiny. It's definitely a little marketing effort. That could you know. It's not huge in a big way and it gets paid for underwriters Stanley. Black and decker underwriter. And they're not really when somebody underwrite something. It's really more just like the the greater good of the community. They're not really using it as a huge advertising opportunity but they do have logos and stuff throughout the show but it isn't explicitly in your face so make forty eight is the brandon. We're GONNA be doing an event in Vegas If everything stays scheduled right after make essential so Kristen from I'm sorry. I'm getting confused as so many show events organizing my kristen from workbench. Khan and the make for eighteen teamed up to do this event at the hardware show in Vegas and that's why we pitched we did a little sales pitch at the end of Workbench. Khan and just people if you wanted to come. And it's going to be ten teams of people making stuff and I'm going to be the host again with Zeila but other mentors will be like April and in Izzy and a few other people will be the mentors for those teams so they'll be guiding those voluntary teams to builds stuff at the show. So the alive bill. It's not. It's not the same type of invention show where somebody wins. It's going to be ten. Things get built by ten teams and it gets gets followed throughout the five days or four days and it's really just like a big build off. Live bill buff. People can come in watch every day and see how the teams do. And that's in the then. Those products will be given away as gifts to a good cause. I'll put a link to the make forty eight site which is just make for you. Eight dot com in the In the show notes and it looks like you can watch the episodes of the previous seasons and stuff on the website. So what's to check it out anyway? That was a great experience back now back in action so you. That's I mean. Have you made anything in the past week? Or if you've just been doing that no well this week. I gotTa start another doing another fundraiser. For the Jesse Comes Foundation Jessi. Combs is the the race car driver who died last summer trying to set the land speed record and we were all kind of friendly with. I just started to get to know her. She came and spent some time here at the House with me and Taylor and she wanted to learn about youtube so she she we had met at an event she's like. Hey can I come hang out with you? Learn about Youtube because she was going to transition from TV to youtube so we spent some time together we had a crash course in developing a friendship and then she died unfortunately about two months later in a car accident and so a group of us are getting together with Make for Jesse to raise money for her foundation as the girls donations. So that this week I'm GonNa make a picture frame in Mark Adams. The photographer has a lot of really beautiful. Pictures OF JESSE WILL MIRO EVENTS. So everybody got a picture of big picture printed on like aluminum. It's a really sturdy. Beautiful print very expensive print in each one of us are making a frame. And I'm GonNa do that this week. So and unless we video was arrested of Joe. Press which is amazing amazing old Joe. Press Lovie if you haven't seen not take a look at that Joe Press from eighteen ninety s Cincinnati. Joe Press from made Noel so Yup I. I'm I set aside some time to go. Read the comments on their his on like you were making fun of yourself of what the what the commenters we're going to do. And so many people are imitating your baby voice in the common. Yeah Yeah Yeah. Yeah the baby voice. I did on the JAAKKO documentaries hilarious. I'M GONNA actually get it to video of the baby voice doing it more because people love it. It's like me and Dave Welder. Invented that concept years ago. We only did it one time where we will. I was showing. I was showing people how to use the table. Saw and David was the troll voice from behind the camera. And I haven't done it again. Everybody thinks that something they've seen a few times. We've only did it that one time. And then in the Jaakko documentaries the second time. So now the troll voices the baby boys and people really love it so everyone notices. You know. They'll complain them in the bottle. They'll be like in baby voice so I know that. Just kidding or when somebody really is is some is taking a swipe at me. I Say Okay. Now say that again but stayed in the baby boys. That's all I say because so I gotta give you the link I would be to give you the link to the Jesse thing because it's something we wanNA promote. Okay Yeah but in the show notes You should get your your audience to like win. Somebody is attacking you for them to leave a response to that just says like baby voice and it just will add the tone someone else's comment no doing it doing it already. It's great that's all. It's so funny because I think it's going to become a very prolific thing. They're going to be doing another everyone. Because you know we get sooner. We get a real vicious comments. Or instead of just deleting it I'M GONNA leave it up and just have everybody's they say the baby voice say it say in the baby voice? Say
TACTICS. Leadership Strategy and Tactics Review. Pt 2. with Dave Berke
"This is Jaakko podcast number. Two eleven with Echo Charles and me Jaakko willink echo good evening and also joining joining us again is day burke. Good Evening Dave. Good evening and we are going to roll right back into the book leadership strategy and Tactics because we only made it halfway through on the first attempt so the first part that we did make it through was called strategy does the strategy apart and now we are getting into the tactics. Pardon section one part two section one and it starts off with this section right here becoming a leader how to succeed is a new leader. Once you've been selected as a leader. It is time to lead. What is the best way to do this? Like many things starting off on the right foot is simple but not easy. Here are some fundamental rules to keep in mind as you take command one be humble. It is an honor to be in a leadership position. Your team is counting on you to make the right decisions to don't act like you know everything you don't. The team knows that ask smart questions. Three listen ask for advice and heat it. Four treat people with respect regardless of rank. Everyone is a human being and plays an important role in the team. Treat them that way. Take care of your people and they will take care of you. Five take ownership of failures and mistakes six past credit for success up and down the chain of command seven work hard as the leader. You should be working harder than anyone else on the team. No job is beneath you. Eight have integrity. Do what you say. Say what you do. Don't lie up or down. The chain of command. Nine be balanced extreme actions actions and opinions are usually not good ten be decisive when it is time to make a decision make one eleven Build relationships that is your main goal is a leader. A team is a group of people who have relationships and trust one another otherwise it is just a disconnected incoherent cluster of people twelve lastly. Get the job done. That is the purpose of a leader to lead a team in accomplishing a mission. If you don't accomplish the mission you fail as a leader performance counts. These are straightforward rules. They they make sense on paper but they can be hard to remember implement Innate Leadership Environment Review them often look at them in the morning before meetings and when you are about to make things happen review them before you go to sleep at night soon they will become second nature but if you find yourself struggling pause reread these roles and ensure here at the you are following them so there you go straight forward because how many times has has this question come to me just took over a team just starting just got promoted it comes over and over and over and over again so these these are very simple very straight workforce to to abide by review them often no joke. 'cause guarantee you of that list at any given time you're not doing something on that list and you remind yourself what did you need to do to be successful leader and in you know what's interesting even as you say that Dave it's like yeah this is like oh I'm talking to the new guys right. I'm talking to someone that hasn't been in a leadership leaders position I'm talking to someone that's just about takeover and when when you're saying that I'm thinking but yeah he's right not just about the new is right about me one hundred percent right about me so yeah. This is becoming a leader but you might WanNa just take a look at these from time to time and see where you're at
"jaakko" Discussed on The Moment with Brian Koppelman
"When I was a kid, and you know, I would watch every you'd go to those shows, and it seemed like a miracle, but every soundcheck was an hour and a half of them going through those songs and work in it. Yeah. It's clear. The you've ever get scared of anything Jaakko. Does anything scare you in the world do or do you just not even allow it happen? You know, whether it's a kid being out late at night. Like does anything, I guess, you worry about your kids? You know, I've got four kids. Do I worry about my picture? I don't want my kids doing anything bad happen to my kids. But you know, what do you do? With those thoughts something you can't control. Sometimes. So how do you because you talk about this a lot? I think people need it. So the things it's easy to say don't worry about what you can't control. How do you practice that? Well, it's it's what you can't control first of all you can control a lot more than you think. And then how do you mitigate the risks that are there? So there's things that you you can't you think you can't control. And this this is another thing that ties back to extreme ownership is there's things that you don't think you can control what you actually can. And so the classic example. I give is oh the mission got cancelled because bad weather came in and the helicopters couldn't fly us. Okay. Well, no, we all know, we can't control the weather. Right. Okay. So what was the? -tingency plan. You gotta at least plan for it. Maybe we should add vehicles on standby. We maybe we should have moved to afford operating base. It's a little bit closer to the target where we could drive or patrol if we had to so with fear. Same thing. There's a lot of things you can actually control. What are you afraid of? Okay. We'll your frayed that you're not gonna do. Well, when you go into this board meeting. Okay. Well, how much did you prepare? Did you prepare enough if you prepared enough? And you know, what the rule you.
"jaakko" Discussed on Jocko Podcast
"This is Jaakko podcast number one seventy three with echo, Charles imme-, Jaakko Milic, good evening echo. Good evening. Sure, analyzed the wound. Wallin was bleeding from his neck. So he pulled out gauze and started examining the wound to assess the damage Wallin's airway looked fine. There was no vascular damage, the medic could tell that the wound wasn't life threatening. But the blood was still flowing. You're going to be okay. He said robbing galls on the wound. He began exerting pressure to stop the bleeding. Are you? Sure Wallin asked. Yes. I'm sure. The fire was nonstop. Sure. Didn't think it could get much worse. Until he heard a frantic call from Walton on the radio bear Morales and CK had been hit and they needed. Sure up there fast. Did you hear that wall and asked? Yeah, I heard it. Sure. Sure. Said. His bleeding was minimal. I'm good Wallen said go get them. Getting the Waltons team though posed a great risk. A medic is taught not to put himself in any unnecessary danger. He has to stay alive. So other soldiers can live. But it had reached a point in the battle where he had to go. So sure grabbed his bag. And headed into the fire. And that is a passage from a book called no way out a story of valor in the mountains of Afghanistan by an often name, Mitch Weiss. And it tells the story. Of the men of operational detachment alpha three three three six. It's a special forces ODA team going after a high value target in the shock valley in Afghanistan. But when they got on the ground for this mission. They were. In a bad tax was issue. They were outnumbered they were outgunned. But they did have one thing that could not be beaten. And that was the will to survive and the bonds of brotherhood that could not be broken. And on top of those things. There was incredible courage on display from all the men of the team above and beyond the call of duty and one of those men. The medic rancher fought not only against the enemy but fought to save the lives of his teammates. And it is an absolute honor to have Ron here with us tonight to share some of the lessons from that day in Afghanistan and from the rest of the things that he's been through and lived through on his. Journey through life. So ron. Thanks for coming on, man. Now. Thanks so much for having may have you know, honestly, bene- fan of the show for a long time. And you know when you guys offered. Kind of weird to think about coming on. But it's definitely a pleasure. Well, minutes great to meet you and we'll get to shock valley. But you know, let's let's figure out a little bit about who you were where you came from. How you grew up. I know one interesting factor start. This thing off is that you were.
"jaakko" Discussed on Jocko Podcast
"I just never saw myself not being a soldier. And and you know, what I realized this the other day, the politics was a band aid, the TV shows the books the podcast. These are all part of me finding a way, but I'm back. You know, I'm I'm instructing shooting. Again, you know with some of my friends, I'm back to advocating for veterans again, you know, which I can have time for him on trying to work. I quit. I could've run again for politics and won easily even with all my troubles. I I didn't want to I want to be like Jaakko. I want to work for my no, dude. Listen well for myself. But when you were I think even the first or definitely the second time you came down. And you're telling me about all this all the stuff that you have to put up with everyday all these you're dealing with. And I just said, bro. Why don't you just not do that job again because the job satisfaction that you're getting out of it is none. I mean, maybe you're getting a little bit. But basically, you're not getting any real job satisfaction. You're having to say things that you don't really feel like saying you're having to talk to people that you really don't feel like talking to. And meanwhile, you're dealing with the fact that you lost your legs in Afghanistan. Every freaking day is is is has presents challenges anyways. And then you present yourself with challenges that you don't enjoy because it's one thing to say, oh, I'm gonna go do jitsu today. And it's a challenge. But it's challenge I enjoy or I'm gonna go for a run today. But it's a challenge. I enjoy it's another thing to say, I'm going to go do this challenge that I? I do not like, and I don't get anything out of. Yeah. That's me was was is the first time we make to me. It was the first time we met, and we were at echoes brothers company where God cast was and you your advice rang. You know, Kellyanne I had a long talk before I announced I wouldn't run again. And she said the same thing, she says, remember, what Jaakko said the squeeze isn't worth the juice or like, that's the way she put him in. That's why she was because I when I got home I told her what we talked about and Kelly, and I were just friends back then in and stuff, but. You know, it that was a big my sister, my baby sister, actually, she she said, you know, I knew you wouldn't last in politics, not be and she and it wasn't an insult. You said you're just you're not you're not the right person. Like, your personality isn't isn't for the political side of things. And I want to work for myself. And I love my podcast is backup. We've done a couple of episodes. You know, we're still figuring out Kelly, and I want to do online coaching now for people like we've got some hard miles between us, and we want to try and help people avoid some of the things we've gone through and we're start and I'm just starting to like wander becoming like the guy in we're be ruby. We should say because we're a team we're like the guy in kung FU we just wander we're just gonna wander onto the earth under the earth and Bank our own schedule. And, but we you know, what we do more work in a day..
"jaakko" Discussed on Jocko Podcast
"This is Jaakko podcast number one sixty seven with echo Charles in me, Jaakko Willink, good evening echo. Good evening. Beware of that trap. Choose dear beowulf, the better part eternal rewards. Do not give way to pride for a brief. While your strength is in bloom. But it fades quickly. And soon there will follow illness or the sword to lay you low or a sudden fire or surge of water or jabbing blade or javelin from the air or repellent age. Your piercing I will dim and Darkin. Then death will arrive dear warrior. To sweep you away. In that. Right. There is some. Timeless. Wisdom offered by the. The epic poem beowulf. The first poem in the English language. Of course, it's old English which is mutually unintelligible from the modern English that we speak, but it has some incredible translations if you one read it. I recommend the shame as Haney version. But regardless of the trans translation that you get. The story remains has do the lessons. Lessons based on war. And leadership. And really human nature. Then we find these lessons over and over and over again throughout history and in different cultures and in different wars. And. We all continue to learn. Every day from history in from each other. And it certainly seems that there are some principles that are universal. There are some underlying unifying theories that bind together than thread through leadership and war and human nature. In the more. We experience in life. The more. Clearly, we can see the thread of these unifying theories. I am the tonight. I happen to have on the podcast and individual with a lot of experience. Experience in war experience leadership and experience in life. And he also happens to be someone that I grew up with in the seal teams who is a great friend and who just retired a couple days ago as a seal master chief, my friend, and my brother by the name of Jason gardener. Jason. Jaakko overcoming on man. Hey, I'm really excited to be here. And it's kind of cool because I know that you listen to the podcast, and you were one of the first guys that reached out to me. I don't even know what number podcast it was. But you reached out to me really early. And said, hey, this is kick ass, man. Keep doing it. And then as the podcast gonna spread. I started hearing from more guys. But that was a pretty you were that literally the first guy that reached out to me and said, bro, keep it going. And I said cool Wilco. That's awesome. Yeah. And like irises the one that said told me eight Jacko's got a podcast, and I'm like, okay. She goes, you don't know..
"jaakko" Discussed on Jocko Podcast
"This is Jaakko podcast number one sixty six with echo Charles in me, Jaakko Willink, good evening echo. Good evening. And we are rolling straight into part three podcast number three of the psychology for the fighting, man. What you should know about yourself and others. So if you haven't listened to the previous two podcasts there about this same book, and there's so much information that we split it up because it was going long, and this part these couple of sections here are really what I was originally going to cover. But then I figured I'd cover it all and next thing, you know, this turned into three podcast series to and. This section is called the soldiers personal adjustment. And here we go back to the book in DEM in a democratic civilian army. Millions of men are suddenly abruptly thrown into a new way of life. It is in many ways a tough life men used to going their own ways. Choosing their own jobs associates neckties times for going to bed. Now have to follow military orders about all these things. Men accustomed to a comfortable litter of belongings around them. Find the bear neatness of police barracks. Hard to get used to those used to steam, heat, warm, shower, baths, and breakfast eggs. Cooked just three and a half minutes at home may be pretty uncomfortable. When they have to put up with a bed on the ground and cold water for shaves. There is moreover no privacy in the army if a man over sleeps and his corporal dumps him out of his bunk. The whole company knows about it. If he looks at his girls photograph a lot they know that to the business of living in a goldfish bowl and having to take razzing from his fellow soldiers is about the hardest thing for a sensitive recruit to get used to. That's a fact so here we go. These are all just welcome to the military. You're gonna you're not gonna get to eat. What you want to eat? You're not going to get to sleep. When you. You wanna sleep? You're not going to get to keep what you wanna keep think about those a personal freedoms that everybody cherishes. They're all gone, even your privacy. And you get to when I went to navy boot camp you go in the bathrooms. There's just stalls. There's no there's this toilets. There's no stalls. You just sit down next to everyone else and do your business. The privacy is gone. Yeah. Not every man, of course, meets hardships for the first time when he goes the army, some of known hunger and cold and hard work. Some never saw flush toilet or shower bath before they got to camp. Some never had a good square meal. Well cooked for them the army's providing luxuries that's true too. Not probably definitely not as true now as it was in nineteen forty two because nineteen forty two people were still living out the Bush here in America. And there's a lot less people still living in the Bush in America. Now, they're still out there though, but farmer lawyer banker section hand college, man or man of little schooling..
"jaakko" Discussed on The Dentalpreneur Podcast with Dr. Mark Costes
"Jaakko willing was the commander for seal task unit. Bruiser most highly decorated special ops unit of the Iraq war in Baghdad and Ramadi. This guy was a bad ass. Like if you're watching Mr. willing. If I miss quotes, you I apologize. I'm trying to encourage people to buy your book. This guy's a bad ass. He's a scary individual. But very very smart Leith Babbit was the platoon commander under Jaakko willing for task unit bruiser directly under him. You guys. Remember, Chris Kyle. He was the American sniper. That movie the American sniper. He was a sniper a seal sniper under Jaakko Willink during the battle of Ramadi in the Iraq war before he passed away. Willink and Babb in went onto found echelon front a business and leadership consultancy where they help businesses usually fortune five hundred big businesses. By teaching the fundamentals of leadership. And management. Okay. So Jaakko Willink. I'd like this so much that I bought the the audio version of it, and I actually played it the entire thing because Jaakko was actually narrating this thing in for the book. So he tells the story about blue on blue and our last mastermind meeting New Orleans I played it for for everybody took about sixteen minutes. I'll give you the cliff notes version he had this blue on blue situation as the commander. Of the seal team unit. It was in the Malabo district. Ramadi? He describes it as the fog of war. The American humvees. This is the very first day of the battle of Ramadi American humvees driving through the streets as we're the tanks kicking up a bunch of dust. There is so much fire. There are so many bullets whizzing through the air that there was concrete dust in the air because the buildings were getting pulverized by machine gunfire. It was extremely chaotic at the time. It was the first major operation in Ramadi. And there was missing information. Broken communication confusion. Everywhere we had three hundred US troops. In addition to u s trained Iraqi soldiers. So willing cares on the radio with all this confusion going on that there is a seal team that is in massive distress. They put out on the radio that they need a heavy Q r f cure f- stands for quick react reaction force. I believe and that means that they need instant backup. Now, regular cure f- is for armored humvees with a fifty caliber gun strapped to the top of it. Right. But a heavy cure f- is that plus two tanks. So this seal unit was requesting backup of two tanks and four armored humvees. So they were in a world of her. So Jaakko cruises over to where they are supposed to be any bumps into this country. Sergeant that tells them what's going on. He said there is a building across the street and the tank is got his gun pointed right. At it for me to that speaker. That is a building full of enemy soldiers earlier this morning at the break of dawn, one of those shows soldiers shot one of our US trade Iraqi soldiers and we've been in a heavy firefight with them ever since. Okay. So we'll like soaking it in their firing back and forth. The gun sergeant continues on and says in a few minutes. We're going to open up with this Abrams tank, and we're going to destroy this building killing everybody inside. And if anybody survives just to be sure, we're going to have bombs from the sky drop down on this location and pulverize this mess and get it over with and willing his thinking something seems weird suspicious about the situation. Because one of my seal team's earlier this morning relocated. And I can't figure out where they are. So on his hunt. She grabs one other seal and strolls across the street with a machine gun kicks down the door. And instead of finding a room full of enemy fighters. He is face to face with his seal unit. They've been shooting at each other for the greater part of the day..
"jaakko" Discussed on Jocko Podcast
"Store with Jaakko store with the with the origin. You guys are in the game. Get the books and and most important, you're you're listening, and you're with us and. The podcast. It's a lot of work. There's a lot of work a lot of work goes into it. But I get more out of it. Than anyone. I get more out of doing this than anyone. And the thing that drives me to keep doing. This is not just what I get out of it. But also that you all there and. That you all are listening, and that you all are sitting there with us. And that you guys are here in the same thing that I'm hearing. And you're learning the same things that I'm learning. And I know that. Where together. I know that. That sounds kind of weird that sounds kind of crazy. But. We are. Together hanging out. We're moving forward. And. Together. We're stronger. And even though we. Aren't strong enough to bring back days. And even though we are strong enough. To bring back the sunset. At least. We can sit here together. And we can be humbled and mystified by this life. Together. We can go out. And we can live. I think that's. All we've got for tonight. Thanks for coming down. And until next time, this is echo and Jaakko..
"jaakko" Discussed on Jocko Podcast
"As we can get some cool stuff all Jaakko approved all of it women's stuff on there is by the way, there is counterfeit Jaakko stuff. But here's the thing about the bunch fit. Here's the thing about the counterfeit once they're like, the if you all you have to do here. I dig it like you you'll see a cool design that seems new because that's really the the what do you call it the visceral visceral that's negative, right? The like the U immediate responses like all new design on Amazon or wherever these kind of fits exists. You see the new design. So you kind of oak, cool, and you in your in your haste you click on it. But he was thinking if you just stop for one second, you can be aggressive, but not foolhardy, right? That's the deal. So you take this one moment to recognize the design you'll know there's violations all through every single design on their first off. The font is food that completely on fun completely wrong. Then I saw one like the good one. Right. That's on like, you know, one of these. One of these websites that you can go to and you submit your PDF for J pig. And it generates a shirt for you. It's like, it's a super cheap thing. There's one of those forget what it's called. But it's one of those where it's like, obviously, cheap and the designs wrong. It's backwards. Ours is backwards. The good sits is backwards. It's supposed to be. So there's all front words like just some person who didn't pay attention is trying to do it through obvious. If you take that second to notice it though, this is the Connor feet ones. You know? There you go. Look out for the counterfeit once they're out there. Also, you won't get counterfeit ones at chocolate starbuck com. Correct. Yes. Actually, factually, also Jukka white t he's their counterfeit chocolate white t is not. Yes. So that's going to be a lot harder to invest that. You gotta you'd have to put some effort into that one. Yeah. You'd have to get labels done. I would actually be kind of impressed like like you slightly just in your mode of getting after it with the high level because it's not easy to make t-..
"jaakko" Discussed on Jocko Podcast
"And if you wanna keep discussing these things with us, we are available on the interwebs on Twitter on Instagram and on dad, she book echo is at echo, Charles. And I m at Jaakko Willink, and thanks once again to James and Jim Webb for their service and for joining us on the podcast to share their lessons learned it was an honor to be able to sit and talk with them. And thanks to everyone else that has served or is serving in the military around the world out there holding the line. And also, thanks to police and law enforcement firefighters paramedics EMT's correctional officers border patrol all the first responders everyone that is out there doing what you do for us on the home front. Thank you for what you do every day. And to everyone else that is listening. Thanks for listening. Thanks for supporting thanks for spreading the word. It is much appreciated and in the book fields of fire. One of the main characters Hodges in part of the book. He quotes an old him an old him that these thinking about in his head and that old him says time like an ever rolling stream bears. All it Suns away. They fly forgotten as a dream dies at the opening day. So there you go. A little reminder. A little reminder to all of us that time is fleeting. Time is short, and we only get so much. So don't wait around. Don't put it off. Instead get up. And yes. Get after it. Until next time this echo and Jaakko out..
"jaakko" Discussed on Order of Man: Protect | Provide | Preside
"Here's pass people that we've had on that. That's a tactic we've had Jaakko on. We have Tim Kennedy about all these guys that you already know that are in the same space in the same field. So I'd love to have you on the podcast. He Ryan Ryan, if you don't mind me asking. So is part of that. Are you setting up? What are the benefits to them of being on the podcast and you kind of illustrate what? How could benefit them? That's the only thing you're setting up. Okay. Because nobody cares what's in it for me. Yeah. But you communicate those things like we have so many listeners? Yeah, etcetera. Hey, you know, like when I reached out to Jaakko the very first time it was when he came out with extreme ownership and reached out and said, hey, Jaakko, like I love your book. I've read your book. I've, we've introduced in our mastermind, we've, we're using it as the book of the month for our book club, and I'm gonna promote this. I'm going to share this. You wanna come on the podcast. He's like, yes, like, whoa, I didn't expect that. And then we went back and forth for probably a month to six weeks of like back and forth. Can we make this work and you make this work and he was hard to coordinate with because he's he's busy, that kind of stuff. And we could never put anything down. And I finally just said, send a message. I think it was on twin. A direct message because we're following each other at that point. I said, hey, Jaakko. I know you're busy. I understand. I want you to know that we need to make this happen because at the end of the day, I'm gonna go to bat for you. I'm going to sell your books. I'm gonna promote what you're doing, believe in what you're doing, and I'm going to go to work for you. And he wrote me a message back as a great, let's do it. And we scheduled an all long after and made it work. And we've done three podcast now and and we've gotten to know each other over the past couple of years because I had his intentions in my, no, it was a win win. He knows that everybody knows that, but he saw that I was serious about helping him win. So when you're approaching larger companies, I think the biggest mistake the smaller company in this situation makes is they, they say, will you help me. Hey, I'm just I'm just getting started, but it'd be really cool if you come on the podcast. That's a very selfish reason for getting somebody to come on your podcast. On the other hand, if it's, hey, we're just getting started. We don't have a lot of listeners, but man listeners, we do have our our loyal. They're dedicated their embellishes, they're willing to invest in themselves and we've had all these other people on. So there are used to having a message like this that really resonate with the message. They go out there that are going to buy books. They're going to buy courses. They're going to buy products. I want to get you. In front of our audience. So you can share what's important to you. You get you what you, it's about you and helping you not me. Yes, I will benefit from it as a secondary to helping you. So that's how you pitch what's in it for them, not you them. Now we're going back to the store with Evan Hafer. He reached back out so it was cold. I what I thought it was a cold approach. I didn't. I didn't know if he knew what we're all about. He reached back is, hey, man. Yeah, I'd love to come on the podcast. I've heard about what you're doing. Sounds like you're doing some great things. We have some mutual friends. It'd be really cool to have a conversation boop scheduled done. What I thought was cold wasn't cold at all because he knew who I was. And maybe if he didn't know me, he knew the organization and he knew other people who came on who have become on the podcast in our affiliate loosely in some way with our organization, and that made it not cold for him, so fine roundabout ways for introductions and how you can how you can get your product in front of people..
"jaakko" Discussed on Jocko Podcast
"To make a lot of cool good stuff all made in America by the way. Yeah. And that includes made in America. Supplements Jaakko, Joe Jaakko supplements. The, you know, the Jaakko thing is just a complete a lack of originality. That's what it is because you think about it from a broader perspective, and you know me well enough to be like the last thing I do is like, oh, I'm just gonna call everything Jaakko. Well, I, it's like bizarro though. Yeah. Well, he started podcast started with Jaakko podcast in that after I've said this before, but I was on Tim Ferriss as podcast and he was, he said, like, are you hungry? And I was like Jaakko hungry. And for some reason that just made me chuckle and then when we were naming this podcast, I was like, oh, you like what you can call them like Jaakko podcast as if it's the same Neanderthal thing. And so then then it was like, okay, we're gonna make t- what do you call pomegranate? White t? What do we call it? Like the vague solution. I need to call it like it's like, okay, well, it's going to be the t- that I drink. So call chocolate white t. Okay. Cool. Will then hey, when I when I when I started saying, you know what? I need to make some good supplements Pete and Bryan in the game. Like I'm like, hey, can you make this near like yeah, and I said, okay, well, then what are we going to call it? We'll just call it. You know. To go Jaakko supercrew and there you go. So that's how we ended up with a. Least creative name of any products existed to everyone. Actually, it seemed like well, early on anyway. It seemed like it wasn't creative because you're like, hey, this cre- cre- there's super creative name like is that important? Really. Great now too busy making it good kind of we talked about in the last podcast that sometimes I'm so into functionality that I'm not in in synchronous ity with the rest of the world. Sometimes, for instance, if you allowed me to design a house, no human being would live in the house except for me and like three other seals that I know that would be like, oh, this house is perfect. It'd be like, bro. What is wrong with you? And I so you, you know, you have to keep the same with vehicles. Like if I designed my own vehicle, no one would want to drive it, but me maybe that's what may be a little bit broader. That'd be like year. So I have to be careful because sometimes I'm just so. Into function that it just doesn't make sense to anyone else, but me, yeah, but it does have its value big time when it comes to these supplements because what joint warfare function try lose, functional, your joints. He would happen same thing with krill oil, same thing with discipline brain function. And then of course Moke that's muscle function, muscle building, function recovery. If you look all of them together, brain function, joint function, muscle function, boom, you good to go. Yeah, yeah..
"jaakko" Discussed on KNST AM 790
"Welcome back to our final segment with Jaakko Willink and leave Babylon. I'm gonna give your book that I caught me of leadership to Kim Jon on he needs it. I I certainly say that at a minimum he needs a lot more than that. Oh my gosh. It would be helpful. You talk about leadership. What do you do with a leader who if you fall asleep and one of his meetings? He kills you. You rebel against him. That's what you do. That's crazy. It really is both of you were we headed as a world leader. I mean, we keep hearing so many things. This is the greatest country on the planet. But are we gonna get through this this incredible Meyer of attack that we're going through? I mean, everybody hates everybody lately. Are you talking about within our own country? Yeah. It's just were eating each other alive. Yeah. Certainly there's there's some obvious polarization right now. But I think what we always have to remember is that America's strong America is powerful in America has an inner strength. That will always be there. And we've been through things that are much much worse than this polarization that we're facing right now. I mean, it it wasn't that long ago. We've literally fought a war against ourselves, and we made it through that. And so the fact that we've got some partisanship right now. We'll get through it. I think your your point George there. You know, the issue we talk about, you know, ex- extremes are is not where you want to be hit you want you want to find that balance in the middle. And that's what the dichotomy of leadership is all about. And you know, when you when you have extreme rhetoric on one side of the other. It's it's very problematic. And I I think that's a it's just a come to the table to to talk with other folks that might be on the other side of the political aisle. You know, when there's there's some really when things like, you know, Nazi or, you know, fascist and things like that are being thrown out there. I mean in the old days, you could carry on dialogue with somebody. If you didn't if you didn't agree with them nowadays, people are shouting at each other swinging at each other. I mean, it's it's everybody's tents. I can't understand why they're so tense king one thing, I will I will say is I think a lot of the loudest voices in the media, the loudest voices on social media. You know, they certainly I don't think they represent the majority of the American people and and. You know, most people outside of the of that world, they're just going about their daily lives, and they're not they're not too worried about because sometimes I think we get a re representatives crew seems to be like those loudest voices. And you think they stand for a lot more people than maybe they really do. Well, let's go to Theresa in Boulder, Colorado. Hello, Theresa good night. And good morning to you. Yeah. I George long time. No, see, thanks. I have a question for leaf and Jaakko how much do they think that the a masculinization of our sons invade school in highschool affect their ability to be good soldiers. And also, do you think that the PTSD might be results of that kind of teaching? Well, this is Jaakko. And I definitely we have to make sure that we're raising our kids. Right. And as a matter of fact, I I wrote a couple of books about that. I wrote a couple of books with the first one is called way the warrior kid at a second one is called the way of the warrior kid marks mission. And the books are about a young kid. That's the he's facing common problems that kids have he's he doesn't know his times tables. You can't do any pull ups. He doesn't know how to swim and he's getting picked on at school and over the summer break. He's all sad when he's heading into summer break. But luckily is Jake comes to stay with them for the summer. And his uncle Jake was a navy seal. And Jake says, okay, we're gonna put you on the program and get your stronger teach you how to fight teach your timetable teach you how to study and teach you how to swim and he realizes that. These are all things that he gets even if you just steps up, and and makes these things happen and trains trains correctly for them. And the feedback that I've gotten from that book is been absolutely phenomenal. Because I think you're right. Theresa that. Kids out there. Sometimes not getting challenged the way they should. And they get handed things on a silver spoon. And they don't get pushed as hard as they should. And that's not the right way to raise a kid. So hopefully, we're making a transition in the right direction as far as PTSD and the connection to that. I would certainly just say that the the more stable and tougher you are going into these combat situations. The last PTSD you will generally suffer. This isn't to say that some folks that she some really traumatic things, and and they're they're really incredibly tough guys. And and it just gets sued them and breaking down a little bit. That happens. It can happen to the best guys. But certainly mental toughness is gonna is gonna help you recover and and show some resiliency against the trauma that you face Jarkko in life. What do you think of the leader and a company that rules by intimidation and bullying does that backfire on them eventually? Definitely that fires. I think there are people that look at us and think that well this is what Jaguar leaf would do. And then they really drop the hammer on the team. And and people actually think they're leading like like, a military leader would do in that regard. And it's it's just not true yelling and screaming at people or ruling by fear and intimidation is just not effective. It's not it's not going to be effective in the long run. You know, something that we talk about is. And actually wrote a chapter about this in the book because people look at him. He looks like a big scary guy. Looks like somebody that probably you know, Yeltsin screams at people, and and actually in the years that we work together. He never yelled and screamed at me one time, even though I probably gave him hundreds of opportunities and want to do that. I'm sure, but but he didn't do that. Because it wasn't affective, and it's not the effective way to lead. So, you know, you gotta hold people accountable, which means you gotta hold the standard time. We wrote in our first book extreme ownership that it's not what you preach. It's what you tolerate so you can't. Tolerate a sub-standard performance. And you gotta make sure the standards are high. And yet, you can't use accountability as, you know, do this or you'll get fire or do this or you'll you'll be punished if that's your leading method of leadership that that's that's not going to be in fact, at all what you need to do is explain to the team why they're doing what they're doing get them to believe and what they're doing. So they're actually executing holding themselves accountable Chaka. What was your rank when you left I retired? As a Lieutenant Commander o four. I would have been one one more year Lieutenant, and I I wanted my JAMES BOND stripes so badly but got out about your life. Same I left left after duty after thirteen years as tech matter. The navy's great. Isn't it? The navy was absolutely great to great to me and great to both of us were you ever on submarines? I was on submarines for short. Periods of time doing seal type missions training missions off of office submarines, but I was never actually stationed on any kind of summary. The longest I spent on the submarines probably a couple of weeks. I I would have guessed that Rick over was long since passed when you guys got in right? Rick over was long since passed. However that name still gives it gives me chills. George because the naval academy walking into Rick overhaul where my engineering classes were and you rub. The nose of Rick over. So is his brass noses all shiny. On your engineering exams, which it never did for me. So I don't hold him in very high regard. Let's go to Joe in Boston. Welcome to the show. Joseph go-ahead guy, George. I wanna say, hi Jean. I love genus. She's on. I'm glad Georgia got a couple of questions and a couple of chemistry. Shop jogging. Visually impaired. And I hear the show and I'm alone. Can you make sure your books are in audio format for the blind? 'cause I brought that up and went to mentioned the sexy. I was brought up with yelling and screaming. And you're right. It doesn't work but kids today are not allowed to be disappointed. They have meltdowns it's you may want to comment on that. I I know they had a college kid a while ago that was dressed wrong, and the professor told her she had a meltdown and she demonstrated in front of her oh class. It was awful. And I wanted to mention briefly, I sent you an Email hope you'll reply the sex thing. I think is a disgrace. I think they're going too far. I think they just don't like certain people like you said, George these people just want to cause problems on both sides. I have given up Jaakko. I'm sorry, but I have given up. I'm seventy one I I don't even phot- anymore have apathy. Now, I'm just so much has happened. I have to agree with George. You're a stronger man than me. But please get your books in audio format and. Answer my emails. He can't I really would predate some assistance, and thanks George and I love her. She's wonderful. She just heard you and she smiled Jaakko audio books. Turn it into that. You've you've got a great audience here for that. Joe? Great news for you. Yes. We have audio books and all the different books written. And not only is it just audio books. Audio book that life, and I actually read ourselves. So I think you'll appreciate that. Joe thanks for calling in as far as temper tantrums from kids of all ages. And when I say kids of all ages, I'm talking about adults as well. And what happens if you reinforce a positive after someone throws a temper tantrum, and they get what they want their their learning that behavior, and they're gonna continue that behavior. So when little kids have temper tantrums, you just gotta you just gotta hold the line and not give into them off the garden grove, California. We go first time caller is Matt Matt Europe with us. Hey, thank you for your service, guys. I heard you on Rogan podcast, and I grew up with Mr. mom sewer. I was just curious if you had any more details what happened that day in Ramadi. And this. Yes. The people were ever caught was Mike months. Wasn't it? Go ahead, Jaakko or or life. Yeah. Hey, Matt great to talk to you as soon as I heard that the city of garden grove. I I figured you must know of Mike monster. I know they they named the football stadium high school football stadium after him this year and also VFW building I believe as well. So Mike was an absolute hero and wasn't incredible guy. And and just to go back to something we were talking about a little bit earlier, you know, you can you can think of Mike as a warrior, and he absolutely was. But you gotta remember also Mike was just incredibly funny guy. He had an incredible smile. He had an incredible laugh, and he was a guy that that all of us just cherished and loves and as far as his actions on that day. It's actually there's no real mystery. There's no there's no real there's nothing too complicated. What happened was a grenade? He was in a a sniper overwatch position on the roof of the building. A grenade was thrown into that position. There was three guys in direct vicinity of where Mike was and actually my cat. The best chance of being able to get away from the grenade. And instead of going away from the grenade as you know, Mike actually dove on top of that grenade to save the lives of three of other teammates. And he was he was killed by that grenade. Making the ultimate sacrifice for his friends. His brothers for the teams for the navy and most important for our great country. And it's something that obviously neither one of us will ever forget. And we hope that no one in our country ever forget the incredible sacrifices that are made by men true managed, true heroes. And I bet he did not even hesitate. He did not. In fact, the sworn statements from from the guys that were up there all the Ruth with with him say. Exact words, George, and they say that without any hesitation whatsoever. He moved towards the grenade Tosh. That's gonna break me up. My last memory of Mike wants who are actually he had he had gotten an ear infection. And he got pulled out of his platoon to go get treated at a the hospital that was back on the base were jock. When I were and he and his work on the opposite side of the city, and he was sitting in the Chow hall and jock. And I walked in and saw and and and this was right at the end of our deployments. We'd had this at this point six months of almost continuous nonstop urban combat some guys retired some guys were burnt out and not Mike Mike had a big smile on his face. He was eager to get back to his platoon..
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"It is hard lady. I know I was telling you I was considering moving up here, but this time of year I'm like, yeah, could move up here. I'm like, I need to come back in December. Do you do? Because it's like this isn't affairs four. It's almost like in the springtime you like open the door and insight. Holy shit. Know it's like coming out of your whole right outta hybrid like, wow, does everything just shut down? Like what does it like in the winter? We take full advantage of it use a family or as a business as a family. Okay. I'm businesses different. It's hard on business as a family like skiing and snowmobiling and ice fishing, and you know, and it's a lot of fun. But you know what's funny. A Jaakko was saying there's one thing for navy seals that they're looking for that set someone over to be accepted and them getting through the program. You know what that one thing. The one defining thing is that makes the metrics just a little bit more is they grew up in New England just hardier Moore, navy seals and Jaakko series because of the conditioning from the weather. What is New England? What does that all include? Northeast basically, Maine, New Hampshire, Vermont, Massachusetts, Senator cetera. And there's more seals out of New England than any other area? Yeah. That makes sense though. In would ocean snow smashing, fingers Lou sleet and probably used to the climate of cold weather which makes you tougher the open. That's what are you saying? You can have some of the toughest guys come out of warm environments in the water will break them down because they've never been clo- cold regardless how tough they are, not always, but he said he made the points very small metric, but they still it's still there right? Because anybody can be good, and I'm not saying navy seal. Good, but anybody can be good in the perfect set of variables xactly. Exactly and what they're looking for like anything..
"jaakko" Discussed on KLBJ 590AM
"Welcome back to our final segment with Jaakko Willink Bevan. I'm gonna give your book that I caught me of leadership to Kim genre on he needs. It. I certainly say that at a minimum he needs a lot more than that. Oh my gosh. Could be you talk about leadership. What do you do with a leader? Who if you fall asleep in one of his meetings? He kills you. You rebel against him. That's what you do. That's crazy. It really is both of you were we headed as a world leader. I mean, we keep hearing so many things. This is the greatest country on the planet. But are we gonna get through this this incredible Meyer of attack that we're going through? I mean, everybody hates everybody lately. Are you talking about within our own country? Yeah. It's just we're eating each other alive. Yeah. Certainly there's there's some obvious polarization right now. But I think what we always have to remember is that America's strong America is powerful and America has an inner strength. That will always be there. And we've been through things that are much much worse than this polarization that we're facing right now. I mean, it it wasn't that long ago. We've literally fought a war against ourselves, and we made it through that. And so the fact that we've got some partisanship right now. We'll get through it. I think you're you're point George. There's you know, the issues we talk about, you know, ex- extremes. Are it's not where you want to be here you want you wanna find that balancing middle. And that's what leadership is all about. And you know, when you when you have extreme rhetoric on one side of the other, it's it's very problematic. And I I think that's a it's tough to come to the table to talk with other folks on the other side of the political aisle. You know, when there's there's some really when things like, you know, Nazi or fascist and things like that are being thrown out there. I mean in the old days, you could carry on dialogue with somebody. If you didn't if you didn't agree with them nowadays, people are shouting at each other swinging at each other. I mean, it's it's everybody's tents. I can't understand why they're so tense king one thing, I will I will say is I think a lot of the loudest voices in the media, the loudest voices on social media. You know, they certainly I don't think they represent the majority of the American people, and and, you know, most people outside of the of that world there's going about their daily lives, and they're not they're not too worried about sometimes I think we get a rare. The Representative crew seems to be you see those loudest voices. And you think they stand for a lot more people than maybe they really do. Let's go to Theresa in Boulder, Colorado. Hello, Theresa good night. And good morning to you. Yeah. I George long time. No, see, thanks. I have a question for Leeson Jaakko, how much do they think that the masculinization of our sons invade school in highschool affect their ability to be good soldiers. And also, do you think that the PTSD by results and that kind of teaching? Well, this is Jaakko. And I definitely we have to make sure that we're raising our kids. Right. And as a matter of fact, I I wrote a couple of books about that. I wrote a couple of books with first one is called the way of the warrior kid at a second one is called the way of the warrior kid marks mission. And the books are about a young kid. That's he's facing common problems with kids have he's he doesn't know his times tables. The can't do any pull ups. He doesn't know how to swim and he's getting picked on at school and over the summer break. He's all sad when he's heading into summer break. But luckily is Jake comes to stay with them for the summer. And his uncle Jake was a navy seal. And Jake says, okay, we're gonna put you on the program and get your stronger teach you how to fight teach your timetable teach you how to study and teach you how to swim and he realizes that. These are all things that he can achieve if he just steps up. And and makes these things happen and trains and trains correctly for them. And the feedback that I've gotten from that book is been absolutely phenomenal. Because I think you're right. Theresa that. Kids out there. Sometimes not getting challenged the way they should. And they get things on a silver spoon. And they don't get pushed as hard as they should. And that's not the right way to raise a kid. So hopefully, we're making a transition in the right direction as far as PTSD and the connection to that. I would certainly just say that the more stable and tougher you are going into these combat situations the less PTSD he will generally suffer. This isn't to say that some folks that she some really traumatic things, and they're they're really incredibly tough guys. And and it just gets sued home and breaking down a little bit. That happens. It can happen to the best guys. But certainly mental toughness is gonna is gonna help you recover and and show some resiliency against the trauma that you face Jarkko in life. What do you think of the leader and a company that rules by intimidation and bullying does that backfire on them eventually? Definitely backfires. I mean, I think there are people that look at us and think that well, this is what life would do. And then they really drop the hammer on the team. And and people actually think they're leading like like, a military leader would do in that regard. And it's it's just not true. Yelling and screaming at people or ruling by fear and intimidation is just not effective ties. In fact, over the long run, you know, something that we talk about is. And actually wrote a chapter about this in the book because people look at him. He looks like a big scary guy. Looks like somebody that probably you know, Yeltsin screams at people, and and actually in the years that we worked together he never yelled and screamed at me one time, even though I probably gave him hundreds of opportunities and want to do that. I'm sure, but but he didn't do that. Because it wasn't effective, and it's not the effective way to lead. So you gotta hold people accountable, which means you gotta hold the standard time. We wrote in our first book extreme ownership that it's not what you preach. It's what you tolerate so you can't tolerate a sub-standard performance. And you gotta make sure the standards are high. And yet you can't use accountability as, you know, do this or you'll get fired or do this or you'll you'll be punished if that's your leading method of of leadership. That's that's not going to be what you need to do is explain to the team why they're doing what they're doing get them to believe in what they're doing. They're actually executing. Holy themselves accountable. Chaka what was your rank when you left I retired? As a Lieutenant Commander four. I would have been one one more year. I was a Lieutenant, and I I wanted my JAMES BOND stripes so badly, but got out how about you life. Same I left I left after duty after thirteen years as tech matter. The navy's great. Isn't it? The navy was absolutely great to. It's great to me and great to both of us were you ever on submarines? I was on submarines for short. Periods of time doing seal type missions training missions off of office submarines, but I was never actually stationed on any kind of summary long as I spent on the some rains probably a couple of weeks. I would've guessed that Rick over was long since passed when you guys got in right? Rick over was long since passed. However that name still gives it gives me chills. George because the naval academy walking into Rick overhaul with my engineering classes were you rub. The nose of Rick over. So is his brass noses all shiny. Here engineering exams, which it never did for me. So I don't hold him in very high regard. Let's go to Joe in Boston. Welcome to the show. Joseph. Go ahead. Hey, guys, and I'm gonna say, hi Jean. I love genus. She's on. I'm glad Georgia got a couple of questions and a couple of chemistry. Shop jogging am visually impaired. And I hear the show and I'm alone. Can you make sure your books are in audio format for the blinds? 'cause I brought that up and went to mentioned the sexing. I was brought up with the yelling and screaming. And you're right. It doesn't work but kids today are not allowed to be disappointed. They have meltdowns you may want to comment on that. I I know they had a college kid a while ago that was dressed wrong, and the professor told her she had a meltdown and she demonstrated in front of her oh class. It was awful. And I wanted to mention briefly, I sent you an Email hope you'll reply the sex thing. I think is a disgrace. I think they're going too far. They just don't like certain people like you said, George if people just want to cause problems on both sides. I have given up Jaakko. I'm sorry, but I have given up. I'm seventy one I don't even phone anymore. I've apathy now, I'm just so much. Has happened George. I have to do with George you're stronger than me. But please get your books in audio format and answer my emails. He can't I really would pre sheet some assistance, and thanks George and I love her. She's wonderful just heard you and she smiled Jacko audio books. Turn it into that. You've you've got a great audience for that. Joe? Great news for you. Yes. We have audio books and all the different books written and not only just audiobook as an audio book that life, and I actually read ourselves. So I think you'll appreciate that. Joe thanks for calling in as far as temper tantrums from kids of all ages. And when I say kids of all ages, I'm talking about adults as well. And what happens if you reinforce a positive after someone throws temper tantrum, and they get what they want their their learning that behavior they're gonna continue that behavior. So when little kids have temper tantrums, you just gotta you just gotta hold the line and not give into him off the garden grove, California. We go first time caller is Matt Matt Europe with. With us. Hey think if your service guys I heard you on Rogan podcast, and I grew up with Mr. among sewer. I was just curious. If you any more details what happened that day in Ramadi and this. People were ever. Caught was Mike months. Wasn't it? Go ahead, Jaakko or or life. Yeah. Hey, Matt great to talk to you. As soon as I heard that the city of garden grove, I figured you must know of Mike monster. I know they they named the football stadium high school football stadium after him this year and also VFW building. I believe as well. So Mike was an absolute hero and wasn't incredible guy. And and just to go back something we were talking about a little bit earlier. You know, you can you can think of Mike as a warrior, and he absolutely was. But you gotta remember also Mike was just incredibly funny guy. He had an incredible smile. He had an incredible laugh, and he was a guy that that all of us just cherished and love and as far as his actions on that day. It's actually there's no real mystery. There's no there's no real there's nothing too complicated. What happened was a grenade? He was in a sniper overwatch position on the roof of a building. A grenade was thrown into that position. There was three guys in direct vicinity of where Mike was and actually my cat. The best chance of being able to get away from the grenade. And instead of going away from the grenade as you know, Mike actually dove on top of that grenade to save the lives of three or other teammates. And he was he was killed by that grenade. Making the ultimate sacrifice for his friends. His brothers for the teams for the navy and most important for our great country. And it's something that obviously neither one of us will ever forget. And we hope that no one in our country ever forgets the incredible sacrifices that are made by men true managed heroes. And I bet he did not even hesitate. He did not. In fact, the sworn statements from from the guys that were up there on the Ruth with with him. I say those exact words Georgia, and they say that without any hesitation whatsoever. He moved towards the grenade. That's gonna break me up. My last memory of Mike wants who are actually he had he gotten an ear infection. And he got pulled out of his platoon to go get treated at the hospital that was back on the base. Where Jacqueline I were. And he and his work on the opposite side of the city, and he was sitting in the Chow hall and jock and I walked in psalm. And and and this was right at the end of our departments. We'd had this at this point six months of almost continuous nonstop urban combat. Some guys were tired some guys were burnt out and not Mike Mike had a big smile on his face. He was eager to get back to his platoon..
"jaakko" Discussed on Jocko Podcast
"Be balanced. That is what you even today I got asked at camp. Hey, Jaakko. I'm a white belt, but I want to be default aggressive, but I also hear you telling me to relax all the time, which one is it? What do you want me to do? Should I be default aggressive and get after. Or you you tell me relax and I actually, I say relaxed harder, right? You relax horror, which one do you want me to do? And I said, well, luckily luckily for this very reason life and I just wrote a book called the dichotomy of leadership, and there's a economy with aggression. Even though I say, default aggressive, and I say, that's got to be your mindset that's going to be default mode as you're going to be aggressive and you're gonna go get after it, and there's a chapter in the book that doesn't mean that you run to your death, right? You have to balance that with caution with with energy conservation with not wasting movement on the mat with not wasting capital in business without burning bridges, like all those things you have to be balanced. And that's why I think like you. That's a great way of putting it. It's gonna. It's gonna recalibrate in fix your brain. Yes, I've had a lot of these conversations with belittle. Okay. Because something because he's he's a different beast than I am. I'm pretty, I'm pretty passive, lying like, do your job, do it right, like a help anyway. I can. And that's just in general, like, I'm there like I'm there. I'm always on contact me anytime a day in some in some in. So belittles in leadership position. Sometimes like Jaakko says, you ever get that goes. Oh, oh, yeah. So the Jaakko says thing in junk wishes. Default aggressive Jaakko says this, and the idea isn't that in your brain, you're thinking Jaakko says, the idea is that you you, you.
"jaakko" Discussed on Jocko Podcast
"This is Jaakko podcast. Number one, thirty seven with echo Charles and me Jaakko Willink good evening echo evening. If you know the way broadly. You will see it in all things. And that is a simplified quote from massages book of five rings, and it's a solid quote, make sense. I believe it to be true. But at the same time while I agree with Musashi that if you know the way broadly, you'll see all things. There's a little bit of a problem with that concept. And the problem is how do you get to know the way broadly. I mean, the way is no easy thing to grasp. Do you aren't born with it? You don't just wake up with it. It's something that you have to learn and it's something that you are always still learning. But even though you have to learn the way. At the same time learning, the way is hard because the the way is something that's hard to teach. And recently I've been asked by a couple of different people in a couple of different scenarios. How I learned what I learned. How have I learned what I learned? And this is believe me no claim that I know what ton of stuff I don't. As I just said, I am still learning, but I will say. That I do know the way broadly enough that I now see it everywhere and in everything. So. How did I learn the way. Well, it's kind of interesting because it's a combination of actually it's more of a collision of a bunch of different things. Of course, my time in the seal teams and I do trace a lot of it back to the seal platoon where we had a little mutiny. We hired a bad Boston. We ended up turning against him and he got fired and replaced by the best boss and and the Justice position, and the contrast between really good leadership and really badly or ship made it very clear. But it wasn't just that. Of course, I had other great guys that I worked with in the seal teams that taught me a ton of great instructor cadre that put me through training. The taught me a ton and you want, I realize I always paid close attention to leadership and tactics. And I think that's probably because I saw something that I might be able to get good at since there was a lot of things that I wasn't naturally. It wasn't naturally the strongest. I wasn't naturally the fastest was naturally the best shot. So I kind of paid attention to leadership and I paid attention to who did it well and who didn't. And I paid attention to tactics and I paid attention to what worked and what didn't from tactical perspective, and I read now, I'll tell you right now. I did not read a lot by any stretch the specially compared to how much I read right now, but I read. Some important books. That had a big impact on me. They, of course, they were only books about war. And in those books about war, the things that I actually paid attention to, it wasn't like the wasn't the the political situation that was going on. I paid attention to the leadership. I paid attention to the tactics. I paid attention to the human nature of how men reacted to war. And so some of those books. And again, it wasn't a lot about face with the old breed, battle leadership, the last hundred yards, some very straightforward books and books that I covered early on this podcast. And then of course, on top of that, I got lucky with my deployments overseas, and I got to experience war from a leadership perspective. And I started to see how things overlapped and intertwined. And one of the things that. Really helped me see the connections between leadership and tactics and human nature and life in general was due jitsu. I talk about digital a lot. Obviously, we talk about jujitsu a lot. Jujitsu is a simple, straightforward, practical representation of the way. If you think about what it, what did you do? Hasn't it right. It has offense. It has defense. It has flanking. It has conservation of energy. It has deception. It has attack. It has concentration of effort. It has position improving your position. It has maneuvering it has placing baits and using feints and always keeping your base and keeping your balance while at the same time trying to upset your opponent's..
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"Have you ever looked at jaakko shirt and been like you know what i wish i had that shirt or have you ever looked at a shirt that i wear that says disciplining freedom ever looked at that and say i want that shirt guess what this place you can get it's called jaakko store dot com we can get it just legal freedom after it shirt the actual shirt the jockeys wearing right now literally the one that was wearing rano you can get that shirt represent good way to support and support yourself there's also rash cards and stuff on their patches hoodies hats new hats by the way trucker hats trucker has a trucker the flex it i thought you'd like the flex fit flex it but i know that's that's probably the perferred hat in the population of the of the world is flex fit electric rats school burke have you ever worn a flex fit hats yes oh straight up in you don't like delon you don't like the convenience of this the flex fit i guess if you have the snapback just put on one size your head gets bigger bigger smaller on a day after we were all sometimes i feel like you're kind of bigger no i think that just might be the way you feel i get it nonetheless both types of hats on their women's stuff on there as well and putting tanked up on their be on the lookout for that like for for dudes thank yeah there's already women's tank tops on there so we're gonna get dudes going going.
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"And although the two right on anyway lightning bolt fire yemen emojis norman there don't over to a double shocker though asanka what's the highest level of a moute emoji approval you can send me three lightning bolt three fires three shuckers three removed first your theory of everything even before it's like a like you should into four for his daimary all laughing depends on what i say though so like if there's if it's a weird all the foul in the word we'll who they'll be like that's that can be infinite rudy leg if i played i don't know you not like you'll tell me something exciting and i'll put it not an dang instead of de a angie i'll put d lower case eh depending level of excitement a in that can go infinitely by the way back in spanned twenty text messages even over twenty days that's how infinite it can be in the first half of the is lower case the second half of the asia upper case the an maybe ten ends cheese all capital there and you know then it a did leave him it just may as well like i said i think you communicate well i be as a thumbs up on a on a theories note in regards to communication that is affective you know what i mean view this as a level of excitement new as opposed to cool periods area no you're you're you're your with clip x ray of blood in his life a anyway next question if you have already come all good hey is a to booed i guess yeah the rainbow airbus does fits loathing good dearest jaakko speaking of lighthearted uh nice emotions dearest jaakko due to skip reform okay my mother jukka what is the difference between extreme ownership versus the easy button can you elaborate i just need a little more clarification to connect the dots in my situation okay uh again so as a leader yes of course you are supposed to take ownership of everything extreme ownership of everything that's what we talk about all the time but does this mean that you say i will do this and i will do that and i will do the other thing i will do everything that the team is supposed to be doing no that's that's not what i'm talking about now 'ownership does mean that you get things done you are responsible for making sure things get done that's what 'ownership is our team is in charge of something if our team is in charge were project and and we don't get it not it's my fault sunny he bielsa's so that's that's what it is it means you take responsible do things go wrong it means you take responsibility for problems and you get them fixed that's definitely ownership now the easy button and when i talk of easy button in a negative way because that's what i'm doing here it's when your subordinates come to use and say how should i do this or or what's the best way to execute this or can you can you tell me a good plan on on how we should make this happen or even haters bad news qin you come tell my people because i don't really want to do it now if you say yes to all those types of things uh on a regular basis then what you're doing is you are actually you're actually stunting the growth of your subordinate leader because instead when you come to mean you say hey jaakko get this mr we got a plant how do you think we should do it if i say okay we should come in from the northeast you should do you to set up a overwatch position here he's moved the target from this direction you did didn't learn anything you just took what i told you in san jose will go come up with your best plan and come back to me briefly on it and so now you might be kinda bummed out 'cause you wanted union i wanna have to do this extra work but now you've got to go to lecture work but now you're learning and in two or three times uniting income asked me more you're in a coma the plan and because we already did a cycle cycle after cycle of you said hey here's my plan of mecenate make this adjustment and you come back next time you say here's my plan as it make this little adjustment and eventually you know to make those adjustments on your own and now you can do by yourself and that's what we want i don't want to stunt the growth of my subordinate leaders so i don't want to be an easy button um so you're providing the easy button like that's what they're talking about when they see easy button you yet if you don't want to be that you don't want to be an easy about your everybody else and are also no one's going to be able to take your job from you which is actually what you want you or i want to make every one of my subordinates so good that they can take my job for me that means i can step up and look forward and look out and they can do a better job of handling what they've got hand one eventually when it's my time to get promoted i got people to take my place and we're all good um of course that doesn't mean we them blinder let them failed don't do that gives you want to give them rope but you don't give him enough rope to hang themselves he'll you give him enough rope that they may be get a little not in the rope and he gives clear but sloppy new and then you go over to me say mater let me help you get that untied and now you give them the rope again so you don't eat you know in in a in the military you don't let someone go dual mission dutch real where someone's gonna get hurt killed were mission failure because you wanted to not be the easy but no you don't do that the in disability in sector you don't let some one lose a big client or lose a bunch of money or make a mistake the costs a bunch of capital because you didn't want to be these about no no arms now might you let some will make a little mistake scher little mistake the cost of a little bit of money new so they learn a lesson scher but you know what i'm phone your place you don't let them hangar hang themselves so that's that next rush dearest jaakko a question for you and the podcast are fire department promotion process has roleplaying scenarios those roleplaying scenarios i lose points because i'm not outwardly passionate quote unquote enough i would have to fake it to succeed and i'm not a fake person is this worth it to fake it when seeking promotion it's not like i'm gonna fake at once they attain the promotion and k this is a this is a very cool question on this question a lot and actually on the sky sent me this question on facebook i responded very quickly and simply my response was play the game you so fake it play the game yeah and and you know he wrote back got it yeah good for him he ask is what everybody i think thinks i'm going to say is like no you yourself know the game united up there an act all passionate about stuff you're you you hardcourt no the a play the game now you because you what you're doing you play the game you want wanna do good job and you're doing your job and dui your job to any job requires some level of faking it you now does this mean that you're a fake person no immediate you're trying to do a good job think if every time that your boss came in with a dumb idea and you your reaction was to say that's a dumb idea mia it is going to get you anywhere or every time a costumer had an eighty eighty idiotic complaint about something you were like hey you're an idiot or every time your wife said uh you know is this chicken dry avery said it's drier than a piece of cardboard in the saharan desert is that is that the eu are would you would you benefit from that how would that work out their answers you would he would not work out well in any those cases you have to play the game you have to play the game and i know i know that that's hard and i'll tell you what i did to get myself over playing the game i i turned it into a game in my head i was like arm i'm going to build a relationship with this boss that i don't like me to do it new from nabil the best way that's my game i'm like i'm gonna become this guy's bro right but when i was at officer candidate school you've got to do the most ridiculous rules they have his rules that you've got a follow that were really annoying and you know what i did i i executed the rules harger and more stringently than that anybody fought was even remotely necessary view and had fun with it i played that game i you know if i've got appear that may be arm competing with ford or some tension i'm going to support them and we'll play the game that's what i'm saying you got to play the game now this make me a bad person or fake present no why because you're doing this the reason you're playing the game the reason you're act asked acting this way is four benevolent reasons right this this guy at the fire department he he's not trying to get promoted so that he can usurp the powers it and takeover no he trying to get into a position where he can better lead and serve and and step up and raise young leaders underneath him back that's what you're trying to do you're not trying to sneak into a position you don't deserve and you're not trying to build relationships so you can take advantage of people for your own benefit that vat would be a fake person media in my opinion you're trying to move but if you're trying to move up in ranked so you can do better and you can take care of the troops you can increase readiness there's nothing wrong with that and if you don't play the game twos at some level you're not gonna get promoted and guess what then people that played the game that might be less less qualified to do that job they're going to get the job because you wouldn't play the game you're too stubborn your ego was too big so you've got to put that aside and i'll tell you something else learn from what you are being told him if if you're showing no passion if you're showing like zero motion that's bad people will not connect with you and if they don't connect with you they don't follow you if they don't connect with you you're not building relationships the people if you don't have relationships with people you don't have a good team so show a little bit of passion sometimes you got a fake it that's fine yours just a really on passionate person core show a little bit about russian fake it a little bit learn it a little bit yes actually gonna be beneficial is i would love for you to fake it for what a while until you you start carrying who what like what are you not passionate about are you not passionate about the job are you not passionate about your firefighter about saving people's lives are you not passionate about having a squared away department you of course you're passionate about that stuff otherwise you wouldn't be you wouldn't be sent me a message saying hey how do i get advance outright to how do i do better yeah you are passionate about it and that's fine it's good um i say it all the time you know if you don't have any motions your robot and robots people don't fall robots new so sometimes you gotta show a little bit of that a motion of passion to connect with people that's okay via don't be scared homi scaring yet because that's really the thing right is showing it of course your passion and above but showing it two different people this summit brian i did it how on a always be like showing how fired up i am all the time or whatever in in whatever scenario or whatever but you're right that does help delic when he williams excitable it's and there's a there's a dichotomy here you because there's some people that will show too much emotion yeah and there some people that will not show enough you want to be some were balanced in the middle as true and i dig it to one because it does feel like faking it because they can inflict while the tradition is like to be fired up on the sidelines let's klesko you know like that can but probably some of the energy for that as some empty canada's nervous you want to focus on what you got to do whatever you know but it's kinda part of the game you know in in it does help the people around you to things like okay he's fired up okay maybe not part up now but he's going to get me fired up you know any kind of like helps the team but uh the athamna under doesn't feel comfortable to do expressed outwardly you know i'll passion but it helps both his fake like faking it that's like a framing thing to you know like via frame it like your faking it versus i use that you'd playing the game bright usually in the game because you want to do a better job yeah i wanna get promoted you wanna you wanna get promoted for the right reasons there's nothing wrong with that yeah that's at yeah that's good i think if you can kind of banned in stretch yourself in an uncomfortable way for the benefit you know the ito i think were people i think that term of faking it no one wants to be a fake purse right right yes which is which is why you're correct in that the way that's framed un is i being a fake person you and no one wants to be a fake person you at the same time you have to grow you and you have to adjust and if you're going to be in a leadership position you're gonna do things that you don't that you wouldn't apparant how do that all the time anew house in the military you know i worked with people that i may offset the store or i work with people both below me the chain of command and above me and the change grant that i despised they never knew it they don't know who they are right now dang but you know the only way member that a you got it was that made me a fake person no makes me a professional may me a professional doing my job because i was going to be let some little personal motion of minor some of that guys does this not like that so i'm knocking white came in and now we have an adversary relationship and now i got a problem you know i'm playing the game play the game is the line what is the fake person genuinely well uh i was going to you asked what the line is the line is if you go against what your principles are you dose of you've got fundamental principles that they say oh if you want this job what we need you to do is fill out a report about billy saying that he did something wrong that you know he didn't do wrong right and you go no marking to do that that that that's what that's bad writing that's now now you're not just playing the game now you're going against your principles of being an honest person about what's happening yeah this that's really what it is rate the honesty when you're a fake so like if sums like oh i'm faking it or or i'm being a fake persson heison a fake person like turning on some passions manufactured passion for the sake of the team and stuff like that that doesn't feel like you're a fake person figures is kinda like you'll sit like some on enough for example someone's in the room and you're like hey you're getting great that shirt looks great and you're doing a great job they leave in velika sucks right add their nominees all tell you the different seeing the reason that someone the reason that you would consider psalm one it'd be angry that some was a fake person is when they are doing it because beat they're doing it for personal benefit on they're they're saying the like if if if if you were my boss and i come in and i say hey echo our every like your new haircut looks great i really think that clear co looks down but i'm going to say that anyways an everyone knows that all i want to do is get that next promotion yeah that's be fake yeah mic that's being fake but if if i'm saying because what am i really do at what i'm doing is on on a making an adaptation i'm glowing i'm i'm doing something that om uncomfortable with because i know it's going to make me a better leader that's what i should be doing is trying to become a better leader now again if that if if in this whatever organization what you have to do is is do something that you don't agree with and it's it's the wrong thing to do and you do it anyways will than than that's that's that's that's almost a totally different thick there's that then there's hey i'm gonna kiss ass room so that i get promoted it's all about me and that's probably the what we think of the definition of a fake person here next question i saw a weakness in you on your latest podcast you seem to overlook the fact that some infant children were raised in undisciplined environments with undisciplined parents they grow up having modelled these undisciplined examples i hate the fact that i have growth undisciplined behaviour solving this is a major priority of my life you have zero idea of what it of what this experiences lake for me you seem blind to this struggle like a father who ignore their child struggle and offer only the words mana so this is a good question and i i see were uh this guy's common from for sure and i know that it can be very very frustrating to try and become disciplined and i apologise that i haven't talked about the fact of of what to do if you come from an undisciplined family or you have undisciplined parents i haven't really talked about what to do in that situation but there's a reason that i haven't talked about that before and that is because you don't get discipline from your parrots you don't get discipline from your parents from your grandparents from your older brothers and sisters you don't get discipline from an external source you have to get it from you that's what selfdiscipline is you get it from yourself you get it from you so the here's people from every possible background from no parrots too crazy parents to you don't drugaddicted parents to super squared away parents and everywhere in between on that spectrum that are completely disciplined people more disciplined than any one i know it doesn't come from your parents who don't inherit it and there's another piece here it's called ownership right it's called ownership and if you're if you want to blame other people for the problem an essay this all the time if you don't take ownership of the problem the proms opera get salts of you blame your parents for not having raised you in a disciplined environment you're not going to solve that problem you're looking at your parents and if you would have done a better job being more disciplined for me i would be more disciplined now so that means that means you can't do anything the fact the matter is it's wrong you actually can do something and it doesn't matter what do how your parents raised you and brought you up you can have the discipline you need to decide to do it so as long as your blaming other people i mean if you blame me for not discussing it you blame me for having zero idea what that experience is like you blame your parents were not raise new this ways long's your blaming other people's lungs you're counting on other people to give you discipline as long as you do that you will not have it so again i i'm sorry i should have made that my should make that more clearly in i'm trying to make it more clearly now an and like my parents my parents are are good people they had successful careers as as educators in public schools in my mom eventually became uh went into school administration my dad taught in high school for thirty something years and they were good hardworking people and of but i'll tell you they were no they were no extraordinary preachers of discipline and i'll tell you i in fact i i never remember either one of them ever using the term or referring to discipline any way um you know one actually both my parents worked they both worked my dad was coaching sports and we're doing after school staff my mom same things like we were on our own a bartsch what my parents were gone in the morning we got ourselves to school when we at home in afternoon they weren't home uh you know so it wasn't like they were setting up this rigid disciplined manner for me and um and you can see this with families many many different families there's families that have kids that the parents are very disciplined and the kids are wild um and how to control sometimes at problematically so right kids that come from really good families but they get addicted to drugs lack of discipline kids that come from really good families but they they spin out of control would end going the wrong direction and there's also the opposite which is a the parents worn around or the parents were abusive for the parents were drug addicts and and overcome the keep the kid comes out of that in is squared away is awesome and we saw that old time the seal team's of said that before on this program doesn't matter it doesn't matter where your background is is what you decide to do you um and i'll tell you another thing it's not even from the military like the military requires discipline obviously but there's plenty of people in the military that don't have it right and in many poor many people lose their disciplined when they leave the march is not being imposed on them anymore moved so let me just go look around uh i mean being in the military does not make you discipline first being from discipline family does not make you discipline person being in a discipline group does not make you discipline person what makes you disciplined port person is choosing to be disciplined so d i n and also as far as telling people the man up um which you know when someone says how do i get up early every day i said get up early every day you how do i stop eating sugar stopping the the if the that's the definition of mana but obviously not just men that need displined in their life and the guy use that term but what i do tell people is the get after it that's what i tell people to get after it yeah i tell people to do the things that they know they're supposed to do right there are things that you know you're supposed to do as a human being things that you know oregon improve your life do those things there's things that you know we're going to make your worst person and make your life force don't do those things don't do the things that are making you weaker start things that are going to make you stronger and smarter and faster and healthier and get a make you better human being and i'll say the same thing to this guy you want to be more disciplined get after it and get up early do some kind of worked out eat good foods clean your room make a list of things that you're supposed to do when your wife and in wake up in the morning and do those things that you put on the list that's would discipline s and no it is not easy do not going to get it from anyone else but you and it's worth it and it is the thing that is going to bring you freedom that's the key word rate their own food it's worth it you know what i think this is what i think i think like in an environment as like how he put it in undisciplined virement rain or something like that where he grew up in an undisciplined environment ido obviously that the very vague expression redletter undisciplined farm did i mean that can mean a lot of young a lot of different things so i'll let him like when you're little brought up in a certain environment basically you're kinda taught or or not taught like like the value of certain things so if you use like unal working out who would ever right so armies myself as as an example my data than athlete um you did not disappear athlete but hughes you know he he knew like working out was a part of life instantly and you know in elementary school were doing sports and stuff like that you know some people they don't do that at all so at when the grew up into adulthood mit some people straight up have never worked out before never been in the gym and you know so grown up there they were never taught the value of what work in a does for you we never taught so they can appreciate it they just simply don't know the value surely see people with you know you know they're in shape where they can do these things and they're very function whatever they see that of course but they don't have that value they don't feel that value feed the just never learned it so it it can come off as like this thing for other people you know like oh that's what other people do kinda thing so they don't understand the value so back to the point in their mind this weird the connection is not made that it's worth it because they don't know the value of and really but if you do know the value of it and then you can decide okay is this worth it is it worth it to wake up every day in in clinical get after it for this particular goal or the this particular set of goals so that's what it is and think sure the undisciplined environment can may be provide that but i think you're right i think that once you're like oh yeah that's worth it y you know how people they'll find reasons one is worth the even though they've never expect like you don't like a person who has a heart attack or something is like and they have kids a young kids and they have a heart attack i've lady never worked out ever in their life have our detect almost died there like guess what i'm working out every single day i'm a vegetarian now you know like doing major major changes that they've never even thought about making and they'll do it because they decide it's worth it and they'll be disciplined they'll find that discipline real quick no matter how they're cheering as you know their environment in their kounellis yet it's going to be worth it that's it yeah and if if it's not worth in that i think is what you develop the value of working out the value of you develop you can develop that from anywhere at that's one of her let's put it and thankfully that as far as early develop that from any any you can develop that from from anywhere yet you can get it from parenting yet for yeah exactly right exactly right but the disciplining itself just like i said that's gonna come from you your parents can teach it but guess who has still you it's hill you and you can go to the military to specifically learned discipline when you leave it's on yoohoo is it yeah exactly right and just like i said like yeah i know people who were done with the military in a good dad they're done with that right there glad with this waking up early they're they're adly with you dig that downward ethics monster out of shape they're not doing anything productive it's it's horrible to say now but it happens happens with the military happens with anything else would kids get out a high school sports you in ulsan they don't want enough to do that anymore dumpson a coach you you crews each don't listen to coach listen to yourself yourself yeah determine whether or not it's worth it and i'm telling you did you don't need to german i'm telling you it's were phil i am telling you it is worth it and you know what you actually know it's worth it that's why you're asking this question view now it's worth it you know it's worth it to have disbelief think there's an easier way you think that it's something that people have you think that when jaakko was alarm clock goes off it's like oh just like my father taught me i rise and i shine it you don't like no i i it's like the pillow fuel soft and comfortable and the alarm clock has banging on my head and a don't like it you know what i know it's worth it to get up and get after i know it's worth and you know it's worth here's the thing though we all know it's worth the is it in a in a way you're right but lake really they'll really i'm going to be open open and honest with you i don't think that the people notes worth it i think they know it's worth it like the kind on paper none of they have a multiplechoice question is it worth it yes or no there'll be like yes obviously i know working out is worth it but here's the thing i don't if you don't know if you don't like like having good credit for example so i never dutt taught like why really my mom said yeah you should have good credit that's it that's the limit to late education on credit for of course a blow it because they get you know a fall for literally all the tricks if selfinflicted and other wet critics jammed so ago so i don't know i don't know the value i don't know i have never experienced the benefits of having good i don't know the value of the credit so really didn't mean much to me really my credit was like junk and i didn't care until i got denied for something then a cared you know but just like if you never into working out until you're in a specific the ian what show that but but like this guy that's asking this question and god is asked the question them i am not from sean a much on a come off all hard um but he realizes he realizes the value of discipline because he saying that he wants it right he knows that it's going to make his life better yeah and and and that's why i think he he's gotten jammed up in whatever way we don't know 'cause i'll gnome maybe he's gotten unhealthy maybe he's you know who knows bbs gotten his finances jammed up would it wherever the case may be he knows that discipline is better for them him he knows that he does know this isn't a guy that does know yet because sure there's people that don't you know when you're sixteen years old you don't know the value of discipline you'll know that the what you're at the way racking renounce can affect you in five years you'll know if you can set yourself utilize whole life up to be pretty awesome yeah you don't know that yet you're just like worried about where you're going on a friday night eight height so this guy no worse and he wants it and he's looking for where he can find it in where he can find it is in the mirror yeah that's where it is you to do at brother good luck get on the path and stay on the path yeah and that's going to be beneficial when you do the harshly maintaining net like not knowing the values a big is the big thing is kind of like okay so back to my credit thing it it there is a point at the end where okay so um you know like i don't know ten years ago whatever i repaired my credit at my credit was repairing a i went through was painstaking not fun stuff but i did it gummy credit repaired an now i know the value because as an adult i'm functioning it youthful now you know so now i know the value of having the credit because of been through all things that having good credit brings you through now i'm thinking i'll never go back to bed cartwright never it's worth it every single day i'm telling you that that i agree with what you're saying yeah i agree with reducing i'm saying that this guy knows the value that's why he wants it yeah it's like when you free realize that you got denied for something and you'll let ovau credit has value i understand that julia something happened in his life use at discipline has value i know that now but you did credit repair and in what you said was okay i need to gotten repair my credit you didn't say hey you know what my mom didn't tell me about bad credit now i have bad credit yeah yeah so now you're now what am i supposed to do uh you know who repaired your credit who repaired your credit well it was a combination of my wife and i but yoga but who repaired you did it yeah we this stuff you took responsibility for it and said okay i'm to get my credit green you talk to your wife could she smarter that you yes he was hike hey i will i will help this but it was you that said okay i got to get this fixed and you got help but you knew to reach out for help but you're the one that ultimately is responsible for yeah you're right about that like i didn't like i didn't blame my parents and then continue hacking bet credit rhino writes liked them said no i got to get the fao this this thing has credit has value i need to fix it yeah and you fixed it yeah regardless working regardless so what will vote would you know oh you don't know how to work out guven ugo wire personal trainer 'cause you know it's going to it's the right thing to do you don't have been oh you don't know how to repair your finances cool go get accounts or that's going to help you repair your finances oh you're addicted to drugs or alcohol okay i'm going to go find accounts or join a groups i can get through that thing you no one's going to hold your hand and bring you ended any those situations you got to do it yourself gather discipline to make it happen yeah good uh number 7 good morning did you find that people in the military mok those that emphasize the importance of good leadership who take leading and our responsibility seriously what does that mean mocking like the big fan of eu leah like what people in the military making making fun of you because you take leadership super seriously all ya the elephant is a late scout this is an interesting question so it makes me a little bit nervous because my suspicion is that this individual might be going about being a good leader the wrong way and if you go about it the wrong way people can take offence to it if you're the guy that goes around telling everyone that you are leader and you're trying to be great leader people will take offence net because you can't make that part of your thing right people that talk about the importance of good leadership the come across as implying that they are good leader and and that can be offensive especially if you aren't quite as good of a leader as you think you are she run around like you understand how important leadership is and about that savior right there in understanding forms of leadership echo all of a sudden on basically tony look i'm a good leader and you're not when the reality is just the way i'm talking proves that i'm not a good leader a as i'm talking down to you so we have a problem right there and also if if you take leading and our leading responsibility seriously what does that actually mean does that mean that you can't have any fun with your team does that mean you can't laugh at yourself when you've made a mistake does that mean that you are trying so hard to give off the impression that you are a great leader that it appears to everyone else that you aren't really who you act like in that your character is is disingenuous right if i'm if i'm constantly trying to put up this front that i'm the great leader everyone starts look at me think an that guy's not even is not that's not the real him uh his china rock around like a like a he's not true right you'd you'd think whether you're trying to build trust in as a leader we we are trying to build trust we talked dick winners talk about honesty being the most one the most important traits of uh of a leader but if we're putting up a facade and how we act that does not come across as honest and that doesn't build trust in fact it build the opposite and also if if if you have to put up a leadership front if you have to put up a leadership front if it in other words if sometimes you have to act a certain way fate get going back to something earlier he if you have to act and fake like a leader that means you might be you might be insecure about your leadership capability and you will come across his insecure and people consents that insecurity so that can be very problematic also if you're so into being a good leader that probably means that you have issues giving up the reigns that means that you are probably micromanaging because you want to be leader you want to prove to everyone that you're a good leader and so you start micromanaging and no one wants to fall will micromanager they don't want to do that and if you add all these things together what what what do people end up doing the end up mocking you they end up mocking the things that you think are important like leadership that south they start to make fun of it it's a man the it's like the needle i think his name is needle meyer in animal house is is the right name anand i've a connor i'm doing a move referee ion with iin as his messed up all i can give you the john belushi that yeah so there's eats like the leader the the rotc guy yeah he's yet like mr leader on huh and everyone makes fun of him yeah he's trying to be a great leader he's trying to be the authoritative figure everyone is making fun of him so you have to be careful in this case i would recommend you move to the center a little bit more meaning that on the one hand you have a leader that isn't building relationship isn't building trust expects people to do as they are told an and treat treat that leader with respect even though they have a nerd that's not a good leader on the other hand you have leaders that are to close with the troops has very personal relationships too personal relationships with the team it has lost any semblance of a forty over the teams of is your two extremes you wanna be balanced in the middle you want to build relationships will be people you want to build your team up in also foreseeing leadership on people does not work any more than forcing a religion or a diet or a workout or a political brie belief system an can you make someone from him from the leadership perspective if you have a forty over other people can you make someone bow down to your programme mechanically for a little while yeah you can you can but if it's not from them if they are not part of it wilfully it's not going work over time so you know don't beat people up verbally with your leadership lessons don't make it you're external religion that you are forcing on people internally yes of course obviously ma i always thought about leadership i always thought about leadership pat wasn't barking it at home i don't even think i don't even think like my the best the people that taught me the boast about leadership they never said the word to be upheld leadership right and i'm not saying that that's the best course of action because because sometimes it is good to you know poulsen someone aside and say hey this is the way act and right now from your troops in that that's not going to be effective sometimes that is good especially once you've built the relationship of i don't ever relationship with you echo when i say haiti to talk to you hit the way junior guys recognizing her to go over very well with him what's your reaction gonna be you'll be pest you you feel you don't know my guys i know the better the unit we're gonna have a problem i'd be a die compost nothing my coaching in mentoring of you was horrible because we did have a relationship so sure you're not listening and obviously of course when i start coaching in mentoring implies that i'm the greatest leader of all time that's my that vmi my implied statement new sock on great which people reject that as well especially when you're not that great of a leader in the first place so don't talk about it so much just lied be a good leader open up discussions take arapoff come from the flank instead of going straight on maneuver tactically and tactfully get into their heads and make better leaders by actually leading yes can like that lien a lead by example can thing it kinda makes you like the question kind of how you said of the beginning it makes you wonder he says the question is defined the people in the military mok those that emphasize the importance of good leadership you kinda think to yourself i wonder how this person is emphasizing the importance of good is he the guy at the party who you know people are talking about on another the food or something then he just bus a leadership stuff fetal that guy who's like everything on elect rotc gut feeling go to see got just everything he's just pushing it every day in a leadership is everything leaves of the bright we weren't even talk about that leadership is everything kind of any by the way work this is coming from a person me that i literally talk about leadership al at times iit eisley listening yeah and and i actually think that way and i i get up on stage and in companies and in front of military members and police officers in it i talk about leadership that's what i talk about all done yeah and that's what you know what's interesting that's what makes aboutface by curl david hackworth the one of the best things about that book because it's not a leadership book he doesn't just talk he barely talks about he barely says a straightforward sentences use it this is how you lead it's all from the flank and that's why it gets you so well uh because it's from the flank yeah it's not a book about leadership does he would say you know how many books get public publish all the time you know that visit leadership book i wrote a book with life how to lead in win hackworth did it better hackworth like oh this is about war read it yes yes in a way uh the ideally seen but obviously that's your jobs well i guess my point is that if you're if this is coming from someone who talks about leadership all the time literally wrote a book about leadership and i'm saying hey you might not wanna talk don't let us online at is my point freiha that's my point yeah good point just just just back off a little bit yes so if you're like you know you go on the road you do when a year you know you're deals and then you know at dinner with your family you start going into your leadership stuff with this that's what you should it q yes yes but i'm on i'm saying is with your team with your platoon tune you don't sit there and say all right today we're gonna talk about leadership again yeah you don't quote unquote emphasize the importance of good leadership right you demonstrate it yes leed yeah his do that they're smarter than you think they're you know what your undoing all as you dear kinda condescending noon to can help it you're treating them like they don't know you wanna talk about the importance which if they know what the importance leaders learn the military yeah in fact in example of their reaction of how people take it when you start preaching to them know how they take it they mock you sets a lesson learned that's a lesson learnt if people are mocking you they're not taking you seriously that means you're doing something wrong what you're doing wrong in this case is your condescendingly talking to them about the importance of leadership they know what the importance of leadership is there in the military they know how bad it is to have a bad platoon sergeant or bad platoon a platoon commander they know you'll need rub it in their face you remember i think i told you the story about one of my friends nicknames name because of thirteen you know you navy feel we're at a party in he got he got joe and he's sitting at the table explaining to all of us how bad asked navy seals are ya like for a long time new visas and he even said those were navy lose just so bad ask like we're so that after this is why all this stuff if the exact same thing because we know needs feels about us but you sitting here telling us how that ask you in all navy seals are is going to make us makia they're going to get mox the iron a little bit earlier ally navient mocked by other may be sealed by though at version or do enough stuff feeling check well i'm glad that this guy is asking the question i'm glad that the guy is focused on leadership and i hope that these points can come across and be digested with no um you know there's really easy to get offended by what i'm saying right if you're him it which doesn't get it you know what i mean it's really easy to say that is to resume yield roaches rooms age isn't always talking about on the one that your i'm trying to get these guys to be better utilised i'm trying to get my platoon understand ports of leadership i know man i know one i i respect that like the fact that you're have that mind and that's all through that's awesome uh that's awesome come from the for like a little bit from the flak when you're not going to you're not gonna do not going to get that get it done this way you it's kind of like if you try to convince everyone that you're the most humble person in the world and you know that nobody more humble in media on the most humble i'm humbler than that guy i'm humbly the new homeless than anyone who who've ever lift just most humble and world just doesn't work linda lentils order ex question dhaka how do you lead a team of volunteers how to punish or discipline them can't threatened to fire them because they're all i have i know leader does so much more than threatening punish but a need some guidance tried a motive try to motivate but feel the need to do more thanked china answers were quickly once because this is kind of a cost of answer before two different form um do they understand why they're doing what they're doing and do they understand why it's important do the understand how what they are doing will benefit them do they also see you working hard to try and make things happen so those are those of this the basic questions let's just get those out there every time every time someone is not doing what you want them to do do they understand why they're doing what they're doing do they understand why it's important to the mission of do they understand how being successful in the mission will benefit them so so let's just get those on the way next what can we do here have you game of fide the situation at all how you like that keane gamified right have you gamified the situation because i i realize that the term it's getting thrown around now but we would gamified stupid things all the time in the seal team's to make them fun new right how much braskin you pick up let's see i'll pick up more than you might squad to pick a more brass and you'll pick up olds unrun round the rain sharp pickup brass one of the most miserable things that you have to do this heelpieces pickup brass off thought reigns in the summertime mmhmm and you do it for for like two days because once you get done with all your work you gotta go up millions of rounds of brass spread out all over the desert in in august in the imperial valley it's hot it's sox but guess what we're gonna do have a contest india's a what are you gonna do to game a fight uh look what kinda cool competition around some shortterm goal can you set up that's going to be as gonna make it fun for them some kinda cool reward what about some kind of friendly bets around achieving something like i bet if i raised this much money you know i will go to work with a pair of underwear on my head or you after you know what i mean whatever is stupid bats you know what we used in the team's is we'd bet one dollar what am i will run inmates we we we had something like critical i bet you one dollar yeah that was like the biggest bet you could make because it's just it's pre europride suryono and then we'd we'd always have fun if you were collecting or if you're giving the dollar collecting the hour was just totally glorious yeah giving the dollar was shame the eddie so yeah like you could add like okay when you give me this dollar aid asked me in front of everybody v you have to add own all you have to do it while like walking in and younis some something real kathy meaning that yet but we didn't even have to do all that yeah hi foods with undisguised emi running mate if we won or lost the bet and as light but a loser you know in in you wouldn't even ask for the money you just look at it this by tonight he had more than most classic looks when he gave you the look when i lose about too many gave me the look i i i wanted to cry yeah yeah yeah he lost some yet more than that dea loss so maybe make a bet for dollar and if that's not working okay now that's not work if you can't game afife you can have fun with it maybe ask them while there why they are there in figure out what their motivation is for being there and how you can tie that in something concrete and then also though look you might have some people at her are really into this um and then lower your expectations of this particular group of people gog recruits of people i wanna get after it mm makes sense there have some fun fawn goes a long way yoga fun goes a long way for having a fond doing things goes a long way and the end that praise thing to you know when you should like add like a reward or something for because a lot especially volunteers were so you know uh we all feel this like even at at work you can have like a superfund job but you get you these two people generally speaking tend to get complacent in one way or another you know when things are routine or things are not as exciting or whatever um and you know when you're volunteering in that happens it's kinda like you not tied there by a paycheck really you know which is just is just a powerful ty you know that people have to work it's like addle in my job but it's peace bills and paying the bill the big deal kathy so if you add that element of excitement are fun or you know little personal payoff in one way or another at think that helps a lot of the time indeed and that tens tap into if the if the liam nothing this person is doing this are not doing this but like if they become kinda complacent in not recognizing how much they they they appreciate the volunteers you know like if they're just like oh yeah this does business as usual it'll ever coming in that's kind of it kind of being in the you know then he just gets kind of kind of blah you know like only the not the pay off that they used to have you know but had fallen kinda keep that going keep them in the game next bush do i need to keep training gg two if i hate it i mean kennedy just live my life the way i think it should be which is of health energy and become becoming a force of nature as a doctor without dreaming upload some invisible enemies on the street that have yet to come across in preparing in spending my pittance of wage of a wage on lessons that i hate in every sorts of ways for something that might be avoided physical clash if i learnt tease wit in saving my money to move into a good neighbourhood and i've been successful in preventing physical clashes to occur i've learnt basic ways to escape the mount i can run i'm fairly strong isn't that enough okay so iaea boro um jittery was not the meaning of life all right it's huge it too has a lot of i mean i find digits you very enjoyable i get a lot out of it beyond physical training beyond selfdefence yeah i get a lot out of it and i apply in all different sorts of realms in my life uh but if you hate it an and you've learned some basic ways to defend yourself the give skate the mount may be some basic guards type stuff then then okay i mean than step away you shouldn't be going through life doing something that you hate i for each hour you i'd still train occasionally even if it's just like once every two or three weeks once a month just to keep some of the ideas fresh and also also there's always the possibility that a quick in your head and you'll realize this there's like a magical thing that you could get out of the gia to um and it's of like waking up until waking up at four thirty in the morning that that's the time i wake up in in for its will on genetically predisposed to sleep less than most people and for instance we just had daylight savings time and you and so and i went to bed so i sat back my clock than it was it was like nine forty at night to went from 1040 when i was going to bed a setback my clock and now it's 940 a at us at all korean alseep extra hour we know what time i woke up like true 48 me a and then i i laid in bed saying no sleep more sleep more sleep mark can do it so i got about threethirty but that's that's me and in and that's that's just me and it depends what your schedule is it depends on what your genetic makeup is for sleep and if you work the night shift and obviously you're working at four thirty in the morning or you're getting off at were of work at 430 morning so this doesn't work in i try and put that caveat on pretty much everything that i say like my workouts but what i eat um everyone's a little bit different and i like what i like and and i do what i do and it worked for me and you can try it then if you come up with something that's better i'll listened to you um and that's the same with digits your man if you hate it then you know maybe it's not for you and in end you know what i would i truly think might my true fought is it beneficial for you yes it is should you stop doing everything that you don't like just because you don't like it no i mean there's some things you should press on should you get it should ever have a fundamental level of knowledge of jit suit it's very very beneficial uh but if you hated in and you've kinda come not conclusion then don't do it yeah in in in i think also once you give yourself that out once you give yourself the out in you not forcing yourself to do anymore you it might open up your mind to actually enjoy and try it and not be miserable about it yes yeah that's will actually would have see none of the this is they're probably and i don't know easily this some people don't like it straight up my gotta accept that i know i know but that being said there is a possibility that the environment that this first or that people train in sometimes will make you not like it and if not necessarily the jatiya don't like sure not eat wound up that way you don't like you to any more because you're kind of new pushed in the wrong direction as far as like what you the liking though like so you could try different school try difference try different story after like i said earlier today some schools are really strict and rigid and maybe that's booed be better for you some schools are real wild and there's no control maybe that that be a better school depending on what your personality as some people like that regiment environment yeah yeah you can you could definitely try different school uh but again i think i think the mental hurdle to come over is you've told yourself that you have to do it and now tell yourself you don't have to do should of water but certain in any see trader in school it it's the environment the train in sold the schools by the environment for sure but it's like training partners it's like the which can wind up as the pressure you put in yourself it's like everything you know the whole environment so i know that and people are different people took some people they want that pressure they want people yelling you don't like rim race to tell you like when you start coaching either media won't just in training not like you'll get fired out when you see to training whatever and you'll be like do this in you'll start kotan it's almost like you're like as a friend you're doing it like just for fun and you're like okay do this in you usually coach up the other guy when i'm rolling with them and that other guy oh he's getting coach way jackal so he turns up the heating and bro i don't like that because it's now it's like a thing and i know you don't i don't like that at all but some people do like that people they'd get some fired up get some more in the game you know thirty two m saint people were different so the possibility is that this guy happens to be in the wrong environment footage it to free for hip for to for himself yes exactly i saw as a possibility and just like i said you know he he could very well be pudding that pressure on himself like you have to go and everyone thing how great it is and as the best thing and if you don't show up to practice your lack near lame or get under that's true like if you get told all the time it's the best thing in the world and and then you show up there and you get beat up which is what happiness in need in yet and now you're you're how does everyone like this yeah this doesn't feel good to me and use gona negative mindset ready sei should be careful that and that's not to mention when you even imply that you don't necessarily like it old europe could you suck oh yeah because the year this or your week or you're whatever you're a slacker like basically all this negativity you know is gonna turn you off even more so now yeah you hate it now which which there is a read the reality of it is some some things don't agree with some people right that's that's a that reality like there's that some things i in don't the world i i know i i just don't like them like when we are driving to la your plains of music you some of the music that you're playing as is popular music i i just don't like it i just don't like and and there's other things like that in the world uh trying to think of things that i just just like other people like them and i just don't like them i just don't poke eamonn go that's one the out early i mean i don't i never even thought about pogue mogo seems like a cool idea you've got you look for things on your phone i mean i'm not that's not the type of thing that i'm talking about um you know i guess dancing at the club i mean m i don't care bomb trying to think of something that some i guess music is the best is one of the best examples for me is is you know i hate the certain types of music certain artists leif lately flakes hair lay flights hair medal from the nineveh he he legit likes there and and i i like legit do not like it and the reason i use the reason that's a good example is because that's not far off from kind of the music that i do like a i mean i like i like led zeppelin i mean i love led zeppelin right led zeppelin is awesome an and the step from led zeppelin two two two poison i mean you could you they could be in the same record category in the store right rock and roll led zeppelin i love you i poison kinda turns my stomach i i hate to end so that is an example of so some things that just don't sit well with you yeah and and may be jit's who doesn't sit well with this guy now um like i said i think there's a lot of benefits to it i think he is a lot out of it try different environment but if you hate it don't may force yourself to do it open open the escape give yourself out and that allows you to feel more comfortable can you feel trapped everyone feels like a cornered animal and in our you're just pissed off yeah you even be viewed in like hey these guys everyone i heard someone talking about you too so i'm gonna try it yeah and now you first day you don't like it for years i i'm going to keep doing it because that ruined saint it's great and you just end up in a bad way yeah so be careful that one yet you can a trapped with the with the junk parts of it that that kind of came about in yet and you can't release keep it the newly rebel against it if jack a member when we're driving up to la i was claim kerry by europe that is actually technically 80s hair metal gear eds an easier for sure but you're really mad yeah yeah gnome tony that music doesn't sit well with me for some reason you got little bdnf comeback to lay flicked lay flakes metallica leif like spikes sabbath lay flakes tool he likes rocking bands too yeah for some reason there's some genetic code in his head that poisons cool yeah just let that right in hot denying gets the and whole yet but then i guess on the other end of the spectrum you get the we get into music that leif and white likely flex pant tara pant ariza hard banned now i go one step further than pandera writer in similar to some of the music that i listen to him uh which i think leaves leif a little bit where he wouldn't listen to some of the harder music that i was new but painters you know brushing up against it he di listened to soft music tomorrow do you consider soft news as some samano something about love songs out another you know le let something soft teen on mc i'd say white buffalo white below okay is hard acoustic music but the you know he's got some pretty mellow songs he got a song called love song number one woods did about though like is it is it like romantic he does he talked out his low eliza girl or something like that i would say yes yeah canada the count 'cause you know like well how can that knockout otto no because you know how like that like uh metallica for example they have unforgiven right so it sounds softer but they're still talking about hard stuff and k and then they have like enter sanmen which is okay will and i guess i'm does not know my answer to use know look alike do you like what about led zeppelin by it won't thieves still talking about like these are soft things like you know soft lane algebra remember member algiere ill and you like what the all day if the european fewer mad at me personally like you and you're like who is this an another you know what though actually i played another song uh who was it he's a josh read in or something in your like hey this is pretty good i was very surprised it was a soft song hooker do you remember that's won't my musical tastes are varied yeah i different types of visa yes so i guess others aum's ives him he's a good at don't like yeah i sometimes wonder with you like it if you're the canyon hossam people they they just just i like music not i'm not thing me i'm just saying certain people they are into justice specific type of music that they're that's the whole reason for music in their head is like this very specific feeling like some people the um that a note before the only like housemusic the like anything other than al's music this is like it's just the old brother listen to nothing i wondering if you're like kind of that kind nowhere because i listen all different kinds of music yeah well at least does not maybe not all different yet at okay you're right i listen to a wide feerick various types sure are you though not alger although i forget the song but it was eager for back to it later thursday all right next question oba from tang and if of edf the guy who hates due to that's kind of crazy it's a bummer but it's it's not that rare yet makes sense it totally makes in us as actually talking with dave kimmeria sure i know who that he that he owns um i was up with him up in san francisco area yesterday and we are talking about how some people don't like gypsy high via the in you'd think even people that are you would think would like to to people that have jobs that dude it to would be really beneficial for them to know you they don't buy tickets and so and i was saying that i've introduced a lot of people to jit to a lot of people to jitsuo not many of them have actually stuck with it for a long period of time yeah but and and so it's not that rare for people to not like jitsuo yet in a a dig it's like not sticking with because you did sticks work it's not like the easy thing the provides discipline oh you're sized difference between not liking to to a not actually sticking with it yes yes tho those guys straight up i hate it the i thought of as a little bit more powerful vip treatment area yeah it's like deafening doesn't like people who don't stick with it for the most part this just a total gas on my prayer leading lacked discipline yeah like there there is they they they don't like it enough anand on account of momenttomoment basis take to get off the couch and go that's kind it journal with one of those situations the question jaakko of question after reading your book which i thought was one of the best books i've read since your last book thanks i'm curious what what you did during your seal team dis to maintain your your schedule as i would imagine in the teams your schedule changes at any minute to include you being deployed were active during your various missions that night so as in life how do you keep your balance of your schedule when do calls in your book you see keep your schedule but how did you work through this when you would be on a mission that didn't allow you to sleep at night did you still did you still the following day upon return maintain your normal schedule sponsored yeah obviously the teams that your schedule in the teams can vary a lot and you have to adopt to what makes sense and sometimes in the team's work 1820 our day sometimes out the field you're going to the field for two three four five days at a time sometimes you're working for 24 hours a day or you work for thirty six hours straight because you do planning in the bubble wassot that could be rama sometimes you're doing dives you're doing to dives a day and that takes a bunch of time and it takes a toll on you it's hard work i guess you could say um sometimes were running around all day or all night running around the desert running around the urban training facility and so the schedules changing all the time and it's the same thing with business the same thing with business right now i travel on the flight these early the fight leaves later work all day or the dinner with a clients or the interviewer the writing of the the recording of the podcast or the changing times on some things change answer what what i do is yes i try and i try and keep the schedules marched i can and if i fall off the schedule for whatever reason i get back all on it as quickly as possible and i think so so yes you do the best you can i think the main thing you have to watch out for is leading leading a change in schedule or a problem in your schedule beat excuse to fall off the path that that's what you have to watch out for um you know we think oh new times owner i've got jet lag right in sleep well or i need rest from travelling or i did this the other night and so i'm going to sleep until nine thirty tomorrow morning and just call it good real that's what you have to watch out for not sometimes you need to work to ninth disley till nine thirty dow sometimes you do sometimes you stayed up for thirty six hours you go to bed at three o'clock in the morning guess what you might need to sleep until nine thirty that's cool good f do it get some sleep um but just be careful of using it as an excuse to go away off the path and just get yourself back on the path as soon as possible makes sense yes sir yes that's all me right there like one little thing if he had they'll throw the obvious all day is gone i'll do tomorrow please got a careful not uh speaking to schedule i think we're about good for questions there's one more thing that i wanted to close out with and you know i get a lot of i got a lot of really a great emails i will get a lotta great uh messages through social media letters written letters again all those kinds of things and i appreciate them all i don't always respond all of them because there's i physically cannot do it yeah and of course you know oh get someone to manager social media whatever not doing that uh if you hear back from me you hear from me not from somebody that i paid ten dollars an hour to respond to my stuff in say cool get after it like no god not doing that but you know i get i get all these things and i i do read them so if you send it i read it and so i appreciate the feedback and everything i got one though that i that was good i wanted to actually one to read on here because i felt that it not only said hey thanks for you know the podcast or whatever thanks for the books whatever it actually give some pretty good methodology and really an insight into a mindset that i think will help people doing what they're doing so here we go mr willockx just wanted to share a quick story with you at thirty nine i had fallen into a 15year rot of undisciplined alcoholism i was soft and heavy and wanted to change earlier this year i started working out three to four times a week in my basement i was trying and failing to get a handle on my alcohol abuse every failure made the beast seem bigger an unbeatable it was like i didn't have control over my body i finished your book on a monday night and decided that i would get up early the next morning workout i got up and worked out not much but i just wanted to do something sit ups push ups fifteen minutes on the bike worked out twice tuesday got up wednesday and did it again got to thursday night a normal drinking night and decided to try not drinking made it through friday same thing worked out morning in night stayed busy and stayed away from the drink fought i should try and push it through the weekend worked out saturday morning took the rest of the weekend often stay dry monday morning i got up and started two days again made it through the week with eleven workouts by the second week i felt better than i had in my entire life i was astounded that normal people walked around feeling this good i guess not systematically poisoning your body will do that on the fifth week i got a project at work there was going to require traveling for the next eight weeks i was worried about overcoming my triggers and road habits but normal travelling evening was dinner watch cable and drink eight beers to my surprise the hotel at a sweet jim cool i'll just keep doing what i'm doing then at the site i found out that were we would start work at six a m damn that means i have to get up at four to work out i'm twelve weeks into my travelling to a days usually getting eleven to twelve workouts a week they recently moved or start time to seven am so now i get an hour and a half in the morning and evening i'm 16 weeks clean dropped thirty pounds or more haven't been on a scale in three weeks thirtyfour waste genes hang off of me by sit up and pushed upsets when from ten to forty to fifty keto bell swings went from 35 by ten to fifty by fifteen i started to learn how to run as a haven't done in twenty years now after a day off i can do to miles without stopping i do four or five miles on the treadmill and nine miles on the bike besides the sit ups push ups cattle bells core and weights i look forward to next year's competitive shooting season i'm going to bring it at this point my cravings are gone and i actually recoil from the smell of boos when i started this i thought it would be temporary now it's going to be permanent no reason to waste time with it anymore now when i question something your voice comes to me with the hard answer it's only black and white with no gray area one day when i'm standing before the lord lord and hear his voice if it doesn't sound like yours i might be disappointed the book i read those months ago was a way of the warrior kid i'm working on extreme ownership now thank you for your service thank you for producing a bad asked podcast and thank you for influencing my life so there you go and i i say this to people all the time most important here is it isn't me it's u n sure you may have grabs some little foothold from the podcast her from one of the books but it isn't me that changes you you you set the small goals you achieve those goals then set some more and achieve those and set some more goals may be a little bit bigger but not that much bigger you pay attention to the progress this guy is 16 weeks deep thirty pounds lighter working harbor stronger faster more efficient competitive the individual that wrote that is getting after it and changing his life and you can too to star start small start with changing tomorrow morning just tomorrow morning get that squared away and then move on to the next day 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eight th two thousand eighteen actually speaking of books there is extreme ownership a new addition a new addition is out it's not a totally new book it's a new addition of it it's going to be available november 21st you can get it for preorder right now on amazon if you want it um it's got a new forward in too salesian i wrote a new ford it has some colour pictures in it um also the the new cover is black which aims to cover from white to black why because block obviously amazon barnes and noble you can get it out walmart by the way target the publisher ship it out the everywhere so you can pick it up it's a good book to give to people in my opinion it's it's it's not just like giving someone a book you're giving them something a little bit more than a book absent the sat like something a little bit more in the book is i don't know if i can i can explain it to well right now look at it yes yang can look at in it's it's not normal i would say it's not normal um if you want the audio 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