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Oklahoma To Incorporate 1921 Tulsa Race Massacre Into Statewide School Curriculum

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Oklahoma To Incorporate 1921 Tulsa Race Massacre Into Statewide School Curriculum

"From NPR and WVU ARE BOSTON. I'm David Folkenflik and this is on point. The past is never dead as William. Faulkner told us it isn't even past even now the people of Tulsa Oklahoma or grappling with the tortured inheritance of what happened on May thirty first nineteen twenty one when an incensed white mob descended on a prosperous. Black neighborhood called the Greenwood district the carnage that ensued is one of the most deadly racist attacks. Nation's history get it took almost a full century and a hit. Hbo Show for Public Officials to acknowledge the full weight of the story to authorize search for unmarked mass graves to ensure local schools taught students about the violent incident and to ensure they taught about it in a way that captured. What really happened today? We'll talk about what it means to take on a heritage that is so onerous and so important this hour on point reckoning with the legacy of the Tulsa race massacre joining me. I is J. Connor. He's a staff writer for the route host of the extraordinary Negroes podcast and is important for today's discussion a Tulsa Native J. Connor. Welcome to on point going on man so you wrote this piece that really piqued my interest about this in which you talked a bit about The debates going on you talked about this historical event but you also talked about the fact. You didn't know about as a school child from the schools. You didn't learn about this coming up in Tulsa how do you learn about the about the Tulsa Racer massacre? Yeah I mean much like you know many of the unsavory parts of American history I had to rely on my parents to teach me about this So Yeah my. My parents were the ones that had that responsibility to teach me and It was it was interesting because It's very different to learn about something that doesn't directly influence you. Whenever you're you know in this instance I'm learning about a history that directly affected me because I'm from Tulsa. I'm living in the city. I'm seeing the reactions and I'm seeing the responses and how you know the repercussions of everything that occurred so also I went to a church in the eighties. Mega Church called higher dimensions and we had survivors of the massacre That we're actually attendance at churches will really. How old were you? Think about like nine ten. And so you're nine or ten years old. You're at church. You're in what do you hear from these survivors? I didn't actually. I don't remember having direct conversations with them directly but I mean I knew of them and I know that you know you know other people within the church held them within a certain within a certain level of reverence and understanding that the price that they paid in the sacrifices they made For the rest of us so do you remember what your parents told you a little bit. I mean my dad is like you know super PLO- Pro Black and made sure that we understood and you know that he did his part to impart us with black history knowledge because a lot of that stuff wasn't going on In school but I just remember him. You know just primarily him as well as my mom just really. Kinda you know breaking down like what happened in the repercussions of any kind of making me understand. You know the racial wealth gap and how that kind of contributed to it and how this this massacre was to kind of keep us. You know to keep us docile and keep us in a inferior position. So I like to play a clip for you I A of clips. I guess from Olivia Hooker. As she was six years old. That sounds like you already remember Miss Hooker. As she was six years old during the incident in nineteen twenty one she spoke to. Npr's all things considered about her remarkable life just two years ago when she was one hundred and three her memories of that night. Were still vivid. Let's listen at the. We saw a bunch of men with those Big Bang. Torchy's come through the backyard and I remember our mother put us under the table. She took longest table while she had the cover for children and told US Matt the say a word. It was horrifying thing for globe girl dates. Only six years old trying to remember to keep quiet. Bay wouldn't know we were there J. Connor then hooker described to the show what she saw and heard that day. Let's listen to that too. They took a huge ask and Gary lacking at my sister I leans beloved piano quite quite it was a good piazza and they thought that was something we shouldn't have now. Olivia Hooker became the first black woman to enlist in the coastguard. She and she became a distinguished psychology professor at Fordham University. She passed away later that year. November twenty eighteen at the age of one hundred and three J. Connor. That's sort of gives a little texture. We'll be talking later with the historian. Hannibal Johnson this hour but it gives a little texture of what people experienced. Hundreds of homes destroyed Up to three hundred people estimated killed that night. Really a part of Tulsa destroyed for for black residents there and yet as you wrote in your piece in the root for many people for many Americans for even many homes H A. Hbo Show really helped to Illuminate this issue. Not a documentary but a marvel product right It was it. Was a watchmen series. And that's actually DC. I'm sorry but McConnell. Okay it's hard to correct. Yeah Yeah it was. It was actually you know. The popularity of the watchmen and I think historically it's important to note that oftentimes it requires pop culture Television Film Whatever. You know these these different things the Kinda bring awareness to these things. You know what I'm saying because when you look it you know watching the perfect example as far as people watch it and they couldn't believe this actually happened and they're like no this can't be real so then they end up doing their research in finding out the yes. This actually happened. And another example of this as far as you know pop culture kind of shifting you know creating a paradigm shift and holding. People accountable for their actions is When they see us drop last year We saw that you know that movie came out and it. Did you know you know very well critically acclaimed but all the prosecutors that were involved in getting the Central Park five and you know an unfairly and unjustly you know part e instituted within the criminal justice system they were getting their books You know their book deals drop. They were getting fired from their their professor gigs. And things like that. So I mean it's it's interesting to see how there's a correlation between the two and I mean even most recently with the release of the Malcolm X. Documentary on Netflix. We saw at the Manhattan district. Attorney's Office is now conducting preliminary review of the convictions related to his murder. So you know in nineteen sixty five right right right so it's interesting how you know pop culture kind of has kind of been the catalysts for this Chica. Moment and explain a little bit about how you know. It's one thing to do a feature film like it was done for the central park five about the incident. It's another thing to do a documentary as you just mentioned about Malcolm X. In this case you're taking this Massacre this attack this assault and infusing it into what was a comic bookstore. He brought to life right. How is is that done for those? Those folks who didn't see the series in a way that would was so tangible and visceral for those who saw it. Unfortunately I haven't been able to see it either but I heard about it and From from what I understand is just they just did a a tremendous job of just really kind of just nailing that you know the importance of at home and to really kind of illustrating you know what exactly transpired and it was just so daunting and so amazing. You know just horrifying. I should say not amazing but so horrifying that people just literally hopped on Google in there like. There's no way this really happened. You know what I mean. So and how do you judge as somebody who's assessing this that this really did have an effect in that way? That the that the watchman in some part helped spur Attention well I mean the way that I judge is the fact that like I lived there experienced it. I mean not obviously not the massacre but the fact that it was omitted from history conveniently and if we look at you know education throughout the country. They're going to be very deliberate and calculated in. How they you know. Disseminate this information. I mean if you look at you know the native American boarding schools. They're very particular in how they discussed that or Japanese internment when it comes to marginalized groups you know. Historically America does not look out for our best interests. And they you know in omitting this information. They're purposely keeping docile. We've had a couple of commenters online on facebook. And on Twitter Rebecca tweets. I grew up in Tulsa. I left when I was eight. I didn't hear about this until about two years ago. A Michael Beach a post on facebook on our page and says I graduated from an Oklahoma School in one thousand nine hundred eighty seven. I didn't learn about the riots until I was in my twenties. It's something we need to teach for sure. Learning about the atrocities of our past helps hearing healing and beliefs. Various Murari writes. It should be taught in all states. I had no idea this happened until I saw it on. The watchman so speaking to your very point there J. Connor how much of this felt you. You're now I think you're joining us from Charlotte today. In North Carolina you don't live in Tulsa. Currently how much is felt as an Oklahoma thing at Tulsa thing? And how much do you think this speaks to? What African Americans experience nationally? I'm sorry repeat that last part again. I'm sorry well I'm just wondering how much you think this is something that Tulsa and Oklahoma has to reconcile at. How much do you think that this is part of a greater national narrative? Definitely you know. It's it's we're talking about one of the largest racial you know Violence History one of the largest examples of racial history. Racial violence history. And the you know the history of the United States I mean it definitely has a profound effect throughout the country especially when we talk about matters guards to the racial wealth gap. If you know what I mean. We're talking about you know. One of the thriving economies wanted to thriving black economies Within the country that was just completely decimated deliberately and I mean at the time Tulsa was heavily segregated but I mean they. They knew what they were doing it. And doing this. And I think that it's also important to mention that We are careful about the language we use because a riot and insinuates that This was a mutual situation. This was a clear massacre. This is hundreds an estimated three hundred I believe from two thousand and one commission people that were murdered in nearly eight hundred who were also injured Solely because of this. This child who believed you know acted inappropriately with young white girl so. I think it's important that we use the proper language and address in this situation as well. You've been hearing there from J. Connor staff writer at the root host of the extraordinary NEGRAS podcast J. Connor. Thanks so much for joining us today. Thank you thank you for your time. We're continuing discuss this hour. The one thousand nine hundred Tulsa race massacre it's enduring legacy and the evolving Oklahoma school curriculum that seeks to acknowledge what happened and commemorate the people and community that were wiped away. I'm David Folkenflik in this is on point. Do eat this. Donate that if you feel like. It's time to finally end your war with food. This is the podcast for you food. We need to talk. Subscribe on Apple podcasts. Or wherever you get your podcasts. This is on point. I'm David Folkenflik. We're discussing the Tulsa race massacre of nineteen twenty one that took the lives of hundreds of residents in the Greenwood district An African American neighborhood referred to as Black Wall Street We have Made a call out for sooners Particularly Tulsa who grew up. We WanNa know how they learned about this. How what if anything they were taught about this. We're getting comments online. Were also receiving callers. WanNa take one before we go to our next guest We're hearing from Taus in Maryland. Kyle is calling in Kyle. Thanks for listening today. What are your thoughts? Thank you For small. I'm a I grew up in South Tulsa which was not the greenwood part of town but the predominantly white part of town. I'm in a white family that had been in Oklahoma for over one hundred years And I had never heard anything about growing up and I actually went to a private and I would say fairly. Liberal minded and creative arts minded school and they. It wasn't on their curriculum. Either to this but my junior year in high school. I remember so clearly. We had a substitute teacher for about two months and she was a recent College Graduate Ivy League. College graduate Who had grown up in the same community in Tulsa And she came back to teach English class and the first two week she was teaching she said remember so clear said. Okay everybody. Put your textbooks and everything back onto your desk. I want you to have a notebook and a pencil and I'm GonNa tell you something you've never heard before it's probably gonNA blow your mind. And she told us all about what they then called the Tulsa race. Riots which I know now was misnomer But we all just stared wide-eyed looking at each other like are you kidding here in Tulsa this happened and none of us had ever had ever heard a thing about it and I had been to the north side of town It was always considered the dangerous part of town and the Greenwood area. Like Oh. Don't get caught there at night or something and it was And it's sad to look back at. That was how we thought of it. And then I didn't know this richer history that had had but also the tragic history And it's so great. I WANNA say that to see that. The mayor of Tulsa leadership in Tulsa or at least trying in some way to confronted. I know they've been working on researching and finding any mass burial sites that might exist One of which is deepened. South Tulsa ironically That has always been known to be an African American cemetery predominantly African American military in the in the white part of town but Now apparently they're going to be looking at researching possibly digging up mass graves there. We'll kyle thank you so much for this. That is fascinating. I got imagine anytime a teacher says I'm gonNA teach you something you've never heard about you. Listen when it's this your. John must've just dropped. It must have been an extraordinary I don't know if it was day or days that you spent on this this terrible history but it sounds like it stayed with you in the decade since it did and I also remember thinking like English English class but there wasn't a lot of reading material that she could offer us about it. I you know the the I think that even the newspaper articles and things that you went to the library is very hard to find anything from that time So it was almost this word of mouth. Transference of this of this story and A few years later when I started working in the film industry Somebody I was talking about this story because I would talk about in college and to my friends and and be like I couldn't believe this and then I remember The producer. I was working with said. Oh I've got a treatment for a a a mini series. That somebody wants to do about the Tulsa race riots and I remember reading that and thinking. Oh my God that's been talked about. You know. Obviously nothing ever happened with it but but it was nice to see it I think I think fairly respectfully Honored in the DC comics series. Now the watchman too well thank you for that Kyle. We appreciate that so much. I WANNA now bring in Historian. Who is working on a lot of the issues? Kyle just raised Hannibal Johnson is joining us from Tulsa Oklahoma. He's the Education Committee chair of the. One thousand nine hundred ninety one Tulsa Race Massacre Centennial Commission. And he's also author of the forthcoming book. Black Wall Street. One hundred and American city grapples with its historical racial trauma. Animal Johnson. Thanks so much and welcome to on point. Hello David so. Let's talk a little bit about some of the issues. We're raising this hour. Some of the things that Kyle talked about. He talked about the fact that there weren't a whole ton of resources for him a couple of decades ago as a student to go to the library and learn more about this. At least not the ones that he could find How has on her understanding of what happened? In one thousand nine hundred eighty one changed in recent years. And what are you guys doing about it? Well I think one of the pivot point was the convening of the nineteen twenty one Commission to study the ride and make recommendations back in nineteen ninety seven easy to report in two thousand one thousand one which is comprehensive award-winning report. And that report generated a lot of media attention not just locally or nationally but internationally and from that point a number of other resources were made available including a number of books scholarly articles a lot more interest in investigating The series of events that led to nineteen twenty one and its aftermath so there are resources available to today. I happen to work with the Nineteen. Twenty one tells the race massacre. Antonio Commission and part of our work involves curriculum reform. Making sure that this history is seized properly into all levels of curriculum. We've even created a teachers institute in the summer beginning in twenty eighteen where we bring together. Teachers teach them this history. The substance of the history but also teach them pedagogy how to teach the history not just to students but other teachers the information being disseminated much more widely and broadly than than ever before. The series watchmen was catalytic in the sense that it generated a lot of interest in the the true history. This is a fictitional account. But but the opening sequence of watchmen was actually a vivid powerful and authentic imagining. What it must've been like to be black and to be in Tulsa when Black Tulsa was underseas in nineteen twenty. One want to take a call now from Michelle in Oklahoma City Oklahoma. Thanks for listening. Thanks for calling in today. Michelle hi thanks for taking my call. I just had a quick comment. So I've been in Oklahoma my entire life my thirties now and I have typical conservative values being from a conservative state including about the role of federal government however when it comes to our history especially the history of black Americans in Oklahoma. I think we need federal intervention. Like we've seen in the days of old where they came in and they made the population of certain states. Take seriously the issues involving it's minority population. We have serious deniers in Oklahoma. And You I think a lot of places around the nation would be very surprised to see how much systemic racism still exists in Oklahoma and Michelle. Can you stay with us for a second when you say they're deniers there? Is that related to what we're talking about today? Specifically in terms of the race massacre in Tulsa. Is that about something else more broadly. What do you mean no specifically about the Tulsa race massacre? I mean if you monitor any of the local news sources anytime they have been reporting on this new Featured this film that's come out about the massacre. You will see that a majority of our population refuse to refer to it. As a massacre they insist on claiming that there was some mutual combat. Taking place or that there was something that the African American community did and tells it to deserve what occurred. That's fascinating a form of local. Denial isn't and you're seeing that plowed even in mainstream news organizations professional journalistic outfits local TV stations or or the newspapers in town. Things like that absolutely and it certainly absent from our curriculum and I think that's a federal issue. Michelle thank you so much for your call. Hannibal Johnson. I'm seeing on twitter a comment from another listener. Jennifer Perry who writes? I think there was a quick mention of Tulsa race riots when I was in elementary schools in Oklahoma City. Calling into riot gave me an impression of black people revolting in wreaking havoc only in the last couple of years. Have I started to hear about what actually happened? You Know Hannibal it. It strikes me that at at minimum riot suggests that there's a Malay on two sides at least and it seemed to me that this incident was really minor And there was a response from blacks and to try to protect a young young black Boy and then there was this attack. Tell us what actually happened. A an encapsulated version of what really we're talking about when we talk about Tulsa in nineteen twenty one you know it's important really to first establish the national context for what happened and tells the Nineteen Twenty One nineteen twenty one comes on the heels of nineteen twenty nine hundred nineteen especially in nineteen nineteen. There were more than two dozen so called race riots throughout the United States and places places as far flung as New York and Baltimore Memphis Omaha Washington. Dc longview Texas. Elaine Arkansas and I could go on and on and on James Weldon Johnson of the end of Lacey Pe- called Nineteen nineteen the summer involved. Nineteen nineteen red summer red being a metaphor for the blood that flowed through the streets of community throughout the United States. Historians and sociologists are prone to call the early part of the twentieth century in America the nature of race relations in America the low point of race relations. So what happened. In Tulsa in nineteen twenty one is different in terms of magnitude and severity. But it really is emblematic of the kind of racial violence. That was occurring throughout the United States. And there are a number of factors Particular to Tulsa that led to this outbreak was land lust. That is the community of Greenwood. The African American community sat on land abutted downtown Tulsa separated by the Frisco tracks and so there were industrialist and railroad interests that wanted that land there was of course garden variety. Jealousy of the success of people in the Greenwood Community Block Wall Street people who own cars and homes and fine clothes. And and such in an era in which white reigned supreme. So how could those people be better off than than White People The media it was a media outlet called the Tulsa Tribune daily afternoon newspaper that published a series of inflammatory incendiary articles. Editorials that really fan the flames of white hostility against the black community. So it's a combination of those things and and the growth and development of the clan and Oklahoma and in Tulsa in the nineteen twenties peaking in the late nineteen twenties. All that was needed. Was something to ignite this tender box and the the neider was an event involving two teenagers. Dick Rowe and nineteen year old black. She's on boy. Sarah page seventeen year old white girl who operated an elevator. Dick Rowe needed to use the restroom on this day. May Thirtieth Nineteen twenty one. He went to a downtown building called Drexel building and the elevator. He knew that there was a restaurant located on the third floor of that building. He had to take an elevator. Sarah Pages operating the elevator. He got on the elevator elevator door. Close something happened to call the elevator jerk or to Lurch Dick Rowland bumped into Sarah Page Sarah page cream. The elevator landed back in the lobby. Dick Rowe and ran from the elevator. Sarah page exited. She was distraught comforted by a locally owned store. Clark from so-called Renberg's and the Tulsa Tribune got wind of the story and actually sensationalized tremendously. They characterized the incident as an attempted rape. They made Sarah page look more virtuous than she actually was which as a corollary made Dick Rowe villainous than he actually was Sarah Page would ultimately refuse to cooperate with the prosecution but before before her recantation of the initial story the Tribune's coverage really inflamed. The white community led to ultimately the violence that devastated the Greenwood community and nineteen twenty one. The violence itself laugh about sixteen hours but the damage wrought little loss of some one hundred hundred lives millions of dollars in property damage the internment of African Americans african-american spending days weeks and months living in tent cities set by the Red Cross which provided relief effort. It was a stunning and devastating blow to the black community specifically into Tulsa in general in nineteen twenty one. I'd like to remind listeners. We're interested in hearing from them for all listeners. For Oklahoma sooners in particular weather native. Sooners are people who live there. Now what do you want to know about the Tulsa Race massacre of Nineteen Twenty One? And Its legacy. What do you remember learning about it? I'd like to take a call now from Morehead city North Carolina. I believe it's a carrier. I hope I'm pronouncing your name right. Carrie thanks for listening. Toaster thoughts today. Yes I had heard. I of complete raising of the town of Rose would Florida as the first complete destruction of a thriving black community and It's absolute erasure from All history books and this was my first encounter with this sort of thing and this makes me think that there must be hundreds of these incidents all over the United States that have been erased from history books. There needs to be a federal inquiry into what has happened to all of these thriving black communities that must have existed and were raised will thank you for that carry. I appreciate that and we've got just the person talking about that. Hannibal Johnson Historian. Who's as we've heard has a greater context for this Walter Schaub? Who's a former top of federal official and government ethics? He tweeted back at us today. He said similarly how many people were taught about the battle at wounded knee as kids. Instead of the massacre at wounded knee was a horrific massacre. The lies have got to stop the idea being that history has a has to be reconciled with the truth of what actually happened. Handle Johnson. We have only a couple of minutes left before the end of this segment. Although we're obviously continuing on through the entire hour on this important topic but when when I think about it you know I was reading something in learning more about about this about the recent win which Oklahoma's have handled this. It's only recently that officials authorized the idea of looking at certain areas in Tulsa to see if they actually were unmarked graves for the bodies of the victims of this massacre. You know we're talking about ninety plus years later. What is the hope with that? And also why did it take so long to to get this authorized or the beginning of this mass graves? Investigation started in nineteen ninety. Seven with the convening of that commission. I mentioned was was officially called the Oklahoma Commission to study the Tulsa Race. Right of nineteen twenty one that official name of the commission that body disassembled in two thousand one issued a final report which is comprehensive but part of the work of that commission initially was to follow up on historical evidence oral history and some written documentation that there were in fact mass graves in Tulsa so That was looked at by that commission. Even some archaeological scientific work was done on particular sites but but the commission sunset and the work went in complete so our current mayor. Gt bynum learning about this history. An adult became committed. I think he made a made a pledge when he was a city councilor too if he ever had the power and authority to to further. Look into this prospect of mass graves to answer the unanswered historical questions. That still linger know what we're doing now is following up on the material the documentation provided by the first commission looking at a particular sites doing additional scientific investigation. Scientists advanced in twenty years. So the scientific equipment is much more sensitive in terms of detecting anomalies under the ground right now. There's there's the possibility of doing excavation In April at a particular sides all right. We're discussing two days of carnage in Tulsa Oklahoma. Nearly a century ago that destroyed thriving black community and became recognized as one of the deadliest racist tax in. Us history. Were also talking about how? Modern Day Oklahomans reconciling themselves to that very history. I'm David Folkenflik and this is on point. Each of us is the star in the movie of life. But how much of a role do we play in other people's movies? It was a really sort of palpable fear that they were going to reject me or worse. The unseen pressures placed on other people this week on hidden brain from NPR POINT NPR media correspondent David Folkenflik were discussing the Tulsa race massacre of ninety nine years ago and the challenge of getting the history right for society and for the state schools today with Hannibal Johnson Author and Education Committee. Chair of the one thousand nine hundred eighty one. Tulsa Race Massacre Centennial Commission and joining me now from Tulsa Joe Nelson he's AP language and composition teachers at will Rogers College High School Joe Welcomed on point. Hi David so your teacher. You're there to to form the kids. How is this taught in your school in our school? We do have a few history teachers who are looking at this from a historical perspective In my classroom I wanted to make sure that my students knew the story. Because it's not something that I grew up with on even though I'm from a small town north of here so for for me. It was really about making sure that they understood what had happened. And what had occurred in nineteen twenty one but no the full The full history of the Greenwood district going from the beginning of the Greenwood district through the events of nineteen twenty one and then looking at that rejuvenation as well take us inside the classroom. What does that I mean I actually appreciate the fact that you're approaching it not just simply. Hey there was this thing in their victims but hey there's this vibrant community let's teach you about it. Let's tell you about that. I and let's talk about the consequences after but take me in the classroom. If I'm student there what am I hearing you talk about? What am I hearing seeing you present? Well when I I really got into this work on an actually learned much of what I know from Hannibal Johnson we were looking at the actual history of what occurred in Greenwood at but it soon became apparent in my classroom as I started to present the information to the student that I had students coming to this with a lot of different points of knowledge I had some students who their families were talking about it or maybe they had heard about it from an elementary teacher so they had some knowledge. I had other students in the classroom. Who may be at heard the term that really didn't know anything about it and I had other students who may be hadn't really heard the term so in the classroom instead of just trying to make sure that they understood my pointed you. We approached it from adults are wrestling with whether this was a riot. Or a massacre We heard that. Because the first time that Tulsa put on our Tulsa the Institute for Teachers we call it the Tulsa Race Riot Institute and then to also race massacre institute so the overall question that we were looking at in our classroom was as we looked at videos of residents of from Greenwood as we looked at Dr. Olivia hookers interview of being a survivor. As we looked at the overall video from Dr Hannibal Johnson and we looked at opinion pieces from Tulsa world. Over the past two years I wanted students to wrestle with the same question that adults are was this a riot. Or was this a massacre and Did you down your mind. How how you felt absolutely not these were horrific events And so for me. I always used the term massacre. Because that's what it was but I also wanted students to be able to look at those primary sources because when you start to listen to residents of Greenwood and you start to listen to Like Dr Hooker when you start to look at the photos of what happened. It's pretty clear and I wanted to students to be able to see those rather than me. Just telling the story. Obviously we live in a multi-racial time but I wonder whether what kind of reaction you got from say. African American students versus white students. Was there any separation? There was there a difference in the nature of their response to you. I'm slightly originally. This was intended to be about a one week unit that we were going to go through. It ended up three weeks because I underestimated that in the classroom. This was an emotional issue This was not just about events but as you look at a photo students restart bringing up events that are happening in the world today and start making those connections and there were there. Were some of our African American students when they would look at it. You could tell that they were getting angry. You could tell that they were upset. That other students didn't notice and they wanted to know why they hadn't been presented that information You had other students who wanted to know why they had never heard about it. fascinating And do you get a sense? I mean you said that you didn't learn about this growing up you grew grew up in your in Oklahoma and you grew up grant so far in town not so far from Tulsa. You didn't know about it yourself How did you draw on your own experiences to figure out how to teach this to the kids? Well I about this when I was nineteen. It was in the early nineties and a friend is looked out the window and said Hey I think that's where some of the mass graves are and I had no idea what he was talking about and so I learned about the basics from him but again I think I heard somebody else on the program. Talk about how. We didn't have the resources that we have today. And so for me as I approach in the classroom. I appreciate it as a learner with my students and some of them have experiences that I don't have an I need to learn from them just as much as they need to. Um I need to help them find information and there were days in class where I would just sit down and I would let the students Take Control of the conversation. I made sure that we were being respectful. And I made sure that we were keeping things Appropriate but also wanted them to know that I am not an expert on this. I'm learning about all of this right alongside them and Joe before I let you go. What did you make of those? Who are in a sense your betters. Those who are in the capital There are those who are running the school boards there Who hadn't made sure that you learned about that. Some decades go. Who hadn't until recently made sure that the your charges learned about this that you are in the position that you're learning about this too along with your students. I think we have to understand that. This is history. This is accurate content. But there's a there's probably a reason why we haven't talked about this and that's because we don't want to face things that make us uncomfortable and we don't WanNa ask hard questions and we're going to have to accept that it's we may have to be uncomfortable in order to have some of these conversations and I really believe that if we are going to move forward if we're going to start that healing we've got to start educating these students today if we can't teach them in school how to have the conversation with somebody who may be just Disagrees WITH THEM OR SOMEBODY. Who has a conflicting viewpoint? It's not going to get an easier. Have to start the conversation. Now we've been hearing there from Joe Nelson on the front lines of that effort. He's a teacher at will Rogers College High School in Tulsa. Thanks so much Joe. Thank you like to take a couple of quick calls now I From Tulsa Oklahoma. John's Calling John. Thanks for listening Share your thoughts here thank you yeah. Thanks for having me so Like many of the same folks. I am Coming up on fifty so was not talked about when I was in high school. I I learned about in nineteen slips during the seventy fifth anniversary. When we were they started talking about the commission. But you know the point that I wanted to make is you know. pulses Have a lot of pride in our city is a great town and so when we didn't talk about it it wasn't that there was a cover up you know that we were looking to protect all the KKK Tate Brady and his Knights of liberty etc. It is thankful to us and so it is like he was just like you're saying it's uncomfortable and so I worked with a couple of different organizations. The we do education in the district specifically with tours and trying to enlighten people Because it is a very very difficult. Obviously it's embarrassing for fear in Tulsa because that is not who we are even in one thousand nine hundred ninety one that is largely not who we were so many good things going on at Tulsa while there was a significant population presence of the clan in Tulsa you know the vast majority of Tulsa were of horrid by those incidents. The massacre even back then. And that's why we kind of pushed it aside because we don't want to talk about it for so long. It has been so uncomfortable and same poll on Tulsa and John. Before you go just as a quick question if you don't mind sharing yourself are you white or are you a How do you identify Ariffin? Just wanted to get that as as data point as well John. Thank you so much for listening. And for sharing your perspective on one daughter Hannibal Johnson to Tulsa historian a chance to react to what he said that is that it wasn't a cover up but that this was in some ways a shameful episode that didn't reflect how most Tulsen's actually felt and therefore avoided. Well unfortunately sometimes the greatest harm comes from the silence and inaction of the so-called good people so also while certainly there were there were good people who did Helpful things after the the devastation including a first Presbyterian church downtown holy family cathedral sheltered people fed them. Clothe them et CETERA. There are also many people in Tulsa who are responsible for electing the leadership that was in place at the time part of which called the event a Negro uprising and after the devastation tried to take the land for industrial and railroad purposes and move the black community farther north so I think we have to own this travesty and we have to recognize that. It's not isolated. It's part of a pattern that pervaded the United States generally during the first part of the twentieth century and that we must have these courageous conversations around our true history Acknowledge as appropriate. What happened apologize as appropriate and perhaps most importantly atone for the damage? That was done as best. We can in the moment so acknowledgement. Apology and atonement are the steps in my mind. At least that are essential as we move along the road to reconciliation in this community and communities all throughout the United States. We have a listener. Kristen who writes on twitter as Oklahoma. And I'm so happy to hear you covering this. I learned about it my First Year of College at O. Are You I guess that's Oral Roberts University but even the severity of it was diminished and was blamed more on black behavior that instigated it We have a call now from Tulsa Oklahoma Jacob. Thank you for listening. And thanks for calling sir. I I learned about the song about What happened in the mid eighties mid to late eighties? I was about ten years old. There's a band called the gap band from Tulsa stands for Greenwood Archer and pine which are three predominantly streets in the green cultural district. So the song you dropped a bomb on me Was A low song. But my father told me it had a hidden meaning for the race riots of when they dropped the bomb on agreement. Culture district like Wall Street so I'm full blooded native Americans and so my father was always teaching me things about history. Hey a man can do anything against any other minority so You need to pay since she passed and learn at the same time. They had the Japanese intermittent camps in Arkansas. Not Too far away and The osage is were millionaires off oil and gas rights and they're slowly becoming killed off one by one of the people in the money Martin Scorsese Leonardo DiCaprio. Actually GonNa be filming a film in Oklahoma not too far from Tulsa about those osaze murders and so. I think there's all tied Indika with what happened in the history of Oklahoma but my father likes it. He educated me on the race riots race riots race. Nascar In the mid eighties because the gap band is from Tulsa They recently brought that up another Program the two teach the youth Another adults I think it should be taught You shouldn't be taught by your parents. things that should be taught in school. I mean the things that always you know that are swept under the rug as a native American You were taught to trail of tears. But you're just a bit from the Cherokee tribe You know there were five of traveling through many others that were Had Our history basically erased and I wish the state of Oklahoma would be like the state of Washington and Oregon and make Oklahoma native American history part of their curriculum because there are thirty. Six federally recognized native American tribes in Oklahoma And so we are the land of the Redman Oklahoma's for us I think we should Teach our history to ourselves as well. We'll make sure to post a link on our website to both the song you dropped a bomb on me. The nineteen eighty two song by the gap band but also to programs we've done An NPR has done on. Osage Indians. thank you so much for that. Call Nut insight Jacob Anibal Johnson We we have another comment from a listener who tweets the late Ozier Muhammad who tweets about the late historian John Hope Franklin a Tulsa native who grew up at the time in the massacre he talked and wrote about it and it was your rights. This ignorance is deliberate. It's not taught in our schools for a reason to further the myth of American exceptionalism. What do you think about that? Hannibal Johnson well. I say that Part of the reason that this history remained sub Rosa beneath the surface for so long is a confluence of psychological dynamics Fear Post traumatic stress disorder. Shame guilt blame. All those sorts of things at the time of the massacre was a booming booming community booming city that had been sort of a dusty outpost. It's also went on to call itself the oil capital of the world then the leadership the white leadership of tells us interest to minimize what happened in nineteen twenty one because Tulsa was taking its place on the national and the world stage there was legitimate fear in the black community about a recurrence of these kinds of of events there were shaming sectors of the white community and guilt over. What had happened so all these things taken together. I think create an atmosphere where it's rather easy to either be silent about or to minimize the devastation. That happened here in Tulsa. Some would argue that. There was in fact something more intentional conspiracy of silence to deliberately hide this. I will say that To exclude something of this magnitude from the curriculum actually does involve some level of of intensity But that's the past and we're in the present so we have to grapple with the realities of our misteps and and do the best. We can as quickly as we can to incorporate this rich and robust history into our curriculum. You've been hearing there from Hannibal. Johnson he's author and He's Education Committee chaired the Nineteen Twenty One Tulsa Race Massacre Centennial Commission. Thanks so much for this great conversation. You Welcome and folks continue the conversation. Get the point. Podcast or website on point radio DOT ORG and follow us on twitter and facebook it on point radio. You know. It'd be remiss in failing to note usually This program originates from Boston. I typically broadcast from here in New York City. It takes as they say a village to make that happen. 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Week Ahead: Gov. Ralph Northam, State Of The Union, Cohen's Testimony

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Week Ahead: Gov. Ralph Northam, State Of The Union, Cohen's Testimony

"This message comes from on points sponsor, indeed, if you're hiring with indeed you can post a job in minutes, set up screener questions then zero in on your shortlist of qualified candidates using an online dashboard get started at indeed dot com slash NPR podcast. From WB. You are Boston and NPR I'm magnetized party. And this is on point. Demonstrations outside the Virginia governor's mansion in Richmond over the weekend calls for governor Ralph northbound's resignation have been rising following revelations of a racist. Photograph in north nineteen Eighty-four medical school yearbook will up the road in Washington all eyes on President Trump in advance of tomorrow's state of the union address. The president was on message about the wall on CVS yesterday. We're gonna have a strong border, and the only way you have a strong broader is you need a physical barrier. You need a wall and anybody that says you don't just playing games. Meanwhile, Michael Cohen is set to testify, but not in public to the house intelligence committee this week. So this hour on point we'll take a look ahead to a big week in Washington. And you can join us what do you make of governor northbound's response to the photo in his mid school yearbook. What are you watching for in President Trump state of the union address tomorrow night? Join us anytime on point radio dot org or on Twitter and Facebook at on point radio. Oh, we'll joining us today from Washington is Paula Reid. She's a correspondent for CBS news who covers the White House, the department of Justice, and Legal Affairs. Paula reed. It's always great to have you. Welcome back. It's great to be back. Also with us from Washington is Seth Mandell conservative writer and executive editor of the Washington Examiner magazine, Seth Mandell, welcome to on point. Thank you. And with us from NPR west in Culver City, California today is J Connor editor at the root contributing writer at huffpost and founder and co host of the extraordinary negroes podcast J, Connor welcome to on point. Thank you, forever me. And Jay, let me just start with you because we're going to start with, you know, the feet of governor north I'm here this hour, you know, at this at this point in time, where do you stand on this? Do you are you joining the calls for the governor to resign? I definitely am. And if anything I'm curious to find out if he's still able to do this moonwalk because I feel like that's the perfect way to ease on down the road in welcome in Justin. Fairfax dissect and black governor of the state so tell tell me more I mean, just gives you've written about this in the in the root over the weekend. But, but what is your take on you know, sort of the significance of the current controversy around governor north and then how he's handled is thus far. I think he's done an abysmal job of handling. This does far I think he's acting out of pride and selfishness. And I think he's looking out for his own best interest as opposed to the interests of his constituents. I feel like it's impossible for him to lead, you know, his his state as governor in an acting in this capacity in light of these revelations. So I I definitely feel like he needs to resign. And I'm you know, repulsed that he hasn't done so already Mandel. What's your take? As of this moment. I agree. I don't really see how he thinks. It's possible to hang on. I guess he he thought that he could sort of ride out the storm, but it doesn't really make much sense. And I guess he wasn't. He doesn't seem to have been expecting everybody from twenty twenty national democratic candidates to Hillary Clinton to from to weigh in and say, he should go. But now that they have I think he has to. Stand that the message is he has to go. There's no there's the the party is unified. And and he's losing support. And I'm not really sure how long he thinks this can really go on or what exactly he thinks? He's holding onto at this point. Interesting. Paula Paula Reid. Does this seem like sort of an unstoppable wave now against governor with him? Yes. He's gotta go. I mean over the past several days he's been accused of supporting and fantasy and racism with documents to back up the ladder allegations. So yes the parties unified behind him. This is absolutely not what they need ahead of twenty twenty. And I think they're trying to differentiate themselves trickily from Republicans who have sometimes not come out. Maybe a quick accounted in the face of similar problems with racial insensitivity or outright racism by the president. If not always come out and push back the way they should have. I think you're Democrats are trying to distinguish themselves. Okay. So Paula since you mentioned a quote infanticide. Let's clarify that a little bit right? Because. No because I think the big I mean, look we're living in a day and age where there's this like very strong surge of reaction over certain things. And I think it's incumbent upon all of us to sort of pull the camera back here and get a bigger picture. Right. So that reference that you're making is to the fact that there's a very controversial Bill in the Virginia legislature right now regarding late term abortions, and from the organization that I published the this picture from Ralph northbound's medical school yearbook that organization is big league politics. Right. Founded by a former a group of former Breitbart news staffers who thought that Breitbart had gone to mainstream right? And they put this picture up. They published the picture not I'm not necessarily a quibbling with its authenticity, but not necessarily because you know, there's their group of social Justice warriors. But in response to north comments about this abortion Bill, I in the Virginia legislature, isn't that? Right paula. That's right. And he he did a series of interviews and in one there were comments that he may. Made about infants who are either severely disabled or would be unlikely to survive in how that should be handled. Now, this is always going to be a controversial issue. But again the way he handled it he sort of stumbled into this larger controversy, which led people to do some digging or they were already sitting on these pictures, but one thing led to another. And so so J Connor limited back to you there because I'm still thinking also about, you know, big league politics, the group that I put this picture up founded by North Carolina political consultant Riley O'Neill who worked for ROY Moore during his Alabama Senate run and Corey Stewart a Republican Virginia whose vocal in his support for confederate monuments. So you know, how does that sort of bigger picture factor into your tape about what north shooter shouldn't do right now? I don't feel like factors that at all. I mean, right is right wrong is wrong. It is what it is. And the fact that he kind of it seemingly tried to minimize it by like, no, this was in this picture. But yes, I did. Can you know participate in some level of black face, you know, with his quote, unquote, Dan, contests it now. I mean these in the wrong, it is what it is. So let's actually play a little bit of tape here from governor Saturday news conference where he said he at that time he said that none neither individual in that medical school yearbook photograph, featuring one person in black face and another person wearing a Klan hood, he claimed at that time that neither an individual was him buddy did say that he did some pretty distasteful things though in the nineteen eighties that same year, I did participate in a dance contest in San Antonio in which darkened my face as part of a Michael Jackson costume. I look back now and regret that I did not understand the harmful legacy of an action. Like that. That's genius governor Ralph north on Saturday, j O'Connor, you know, when I heard him when I heard him say that one of the things that I thought about was this is an entree into discussing. Honestly, how common and Benami may not be the right word. But how common these casual, and I don't mean to say casual to to sort of downplay it, but casual acts of racism were in one thousand nine hundred and some people might even say now, and that like that needs to be discussed that it was sort of a just a factor of life in the eighties to the point where we have a sitting governor in Virginia saying, well, it may not have been in that photo as as he claims, but I put black shoe polish on my face to pretend like I was Michael Jackson. Yeah. And I mean, we publish the piece this weekend on the rue about the dangers of how these public personas, they're cultivated or, you know, created by politicians in that they're they have the ability to disassociate themselves from their, you know, heinous passed, and it kind of puts us in a precarious situation as a nation because what happens is these individuals create these platforms in which they purport themselves to be progressives. But at the same time, they don't take accountability for how they've contributed to what it is it exists today. And Seth Nando lets you. What's your take on that? Yeah. I think that I think that it's one of the things that that north is in trouble over is the timing of this, which is that not not to say that it wouldn't be bad at any other time. But that we're going through a period in American politics right now where we you see it with racial bias in policing. You see it with the rise of Trump and the all right and all these. Russian's and debates that were having were you know, the Super Bowl was the discussion around Super Bowl was Colin Kaepernick kneeling during the anthem. So you're seeing a lot of discussion of race and how to deal with it. And how to move past the the as you said, the casual racism that used to be accepted a lot more and working those habits out of the American system out of the American body politic. I think and so when you when Democrats look at Ralph Northam, they say is this a person who can be governing an important state during this moment in American history is this person we can look to to to help guide this discussion. And is this somebody who has shown the honesty and the wisdom to to help talk us through this moment, where we're all trying to be to shake, you know, our own past demons. Et cetera et cetera. I think that the answer is no, well, Paula Reid. I mean, but but how sort of consistent is this grappling with with race across the parties. Right. Because a lot of people may maybe looking at this moment saying yes, you know, that photograph of in in north medical school yearbook is terrible. But in in the White House now, we the the president United States for years and years championed birther conspiracy against the nation's first black president and didn't seem to suffer the consequences of that certainly didn't suffer doesn't seem any consequences to that. But it's also remember this is happening in Virginia and one of the most stark examples of of racism in the rise of white supremacy that we've seen or at least a public more public acceptance of the white supremacist movement happened in Charlottesville, not that long ago in Virginia. And I think I covered that I was there. I was there for the rallies that led up tonight not as well. And I. Think a lot of people are very surprised that this is happening at Charlottesville of this is happening in Virginia. But anyone who's been paying attention to what's been going on in Virginia of or, you know, over the past several years decade, even shouldn't be that surprised, which is why it makes it all the more important. I think for the state of Virginia for the Democratic Party to come out to oppose it to make sure it doesn't matter. If this happened thirty years ago, this is inappropriate and we oppose it while Paula Reid. J Connor and Seth Mandell hang on here for just a second. We gotta take a quick break. We're talking about a big week ahead in the news and got lots of comments coming in here. John Robert bland said if governor Northam did not do it leave him be go after the medical school and let the governor lied, whereas someone calling themselves Gumbi said head been nineteen thirty four or even nine hundred sixty four I could get it. But nineteen Eighty-four come on racism is so ingrained that most can't even see it unless it's blatant. We'll be right back. This is on point. 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Governor democrat Ralph Northam the president's state of the union address coming up tomorrow night and Michael Cohen set to testify behind closed doors before the house intelligence committee. I'm joined today by Paula Reid. He's Washington correspondent for CBS news. She covers the Justice department and the White House, and Legal Affairs. J Connor joins us today. He's editor at the root and contributing writer at huff post and founder and co host of the extraordinary negroes podcast and Seth Mandell joins us as well as executive editor at the Washington Examiner magazine. And let's hear a little bit more of the reaction. That's that. We've heard over the weekend to the controversy surrounding Virginia. Governor Ralph Northam, here's Virginia democratic congressman Donald MacKay each in the Congressional Black caucus whip. He told NBC's meet the press yesterday that he believes north of should resign. The question now is can you lead? Can you help us heal and given the actions that he's demonstrated in the past forty eight hours? They answer is clearly no you can't it can't be in the photograph one day. And it's not the next day. You can't excuse at all say, oh, I know the didn't do black face in this yearbook because I did it in a Michael Jackson dance contest that's Virginia democratic congressman Donald Mckee in their former Virginia congressman also a democrat. Jim Moran told ABC's this week with George Stephanopoulos, though, that he doesn't think north should resign. Even if the worst case scenario is true, George, I think there is an issue of redemption retention is a very powerful factor in what people are able to accomplish, you know, Ralph understands the endemic racism that. Has been part of Virginia society for so long. Well, let's go to the calls. Let's go to Bruce who's calling from Iowa City Iowa, Bruce, you're on the air. Okay. Thank you. Hi. I guess I heard the last couple of comments I thought back to the history of of these kind of caricatures in American history. I think that the governor should actually have if he's going to re redeem himself as a last speaker mentioned he needs to have a lesson in the governor's office on how these racist caricatures that have been in circulation the United States since before the civil war on trade cards. Lynching lynchings were on postcards and circulated through the United States mail watermelon. Eating lazy, layabout negro oversexed black woman, these are common in jokes and throughout the white supremacist culture. And I'm always supplanted that people do not understand how what kind of psychological damage that kind of. A constant cultural circulation of those kinds of images does. And I just wish the governor would just come out and say, yes, that's that's what's going on here. I need I need to speak up. And and do something about this by the having a lesson on how these images works, and I was in the wrong, and I d- myself by explaining how I was wrong. Bruce. You think if he had done that that redemption for north them north of would be possible because some people I mean, as you've already heard in the context of this program say that that that resignation is really his only viable option. Don't I actually think that he if he showed that level of consciousness and seek to use this as an educational opportunity in ways that I guess I've suggested I think he would be able to have have a a legitimate. He should be given consideration for remaining. I think that would be amazing and wonderful. Well, Bruce boosted said, let me take limited from thank you for your call J Connor, what do you think about BRUCE'S path to redemption for them? I'm just I'm just baffled that you know. I'm speechless because it's just so frustrating that you know, we always we live in a country in which white men are continued to always have these kind of out in these excuses to to, you know, rectify their behavior, and we see so many different marginalized groups, whether it's my own, whether it's, you know, black Brown, you know, whatever else in which we're punished for the smallest thing and suffer indiscriminately for for decades in you know, to hear this guy's just frustrating. Honestly, it just makes me angry. And it's just disgusting that we're sitting there trying to find ways that he can stay as opposed to saying like, no he needs to get out of here and hold them accountable for his actions. Even as Bruce was saying that he Bruce was acknowledging the very harmful history of all these racist, tropes and imagery throughout throughout the United States throughout US history that he was saying that like the could this be an opportunity to shine a deeper light on? That and further the conversation about the damage they have done. Yeah. I mean, I definitely think that that conversation can be head, but it can be had out of office. You know, what I mean like he can do all this this work that he clearly needs to do. But he can do that after he stepped down and allows just in Fairfax to take the seat. Okay, governorship. All right. Well, let's go to another call here. Let's go to Joe's calling for magnolia, Massachusetts. Joe you're on the air. Thank you. I think this is a well, I consciousness apology redemption yet, it's all possible. Obviously what he's done in his past in his past is very very awful. Now, all your guests all the people listening have we ever ever made mistakes in our past. Have we tried to make good that we tried to make better of ourselves. I don't know this governor. But I know this so much craziness going on. I don't believe he should resign. I think he should stand strong as he should apologize. I think you should use it as a teaching moment. Also, Al Franken never should've resigned. He should have come clean. He should have admitted his mistakes. He should have stayed off all this political correctness especially from the hypocritical. Democratic Party is disgusting. We'll be here for. Because you just heard Jay Connor. You just heard him point out that redemption seems to be the province political redemption seems to be the providence province of white males in America. That's what Jay was saying that like that if you're if you're black or or a person of color, they that you do not get those second chances. So why should Ralph Northam who's has a yearbook picture and his medical school yearbook of Klan outfit and black face? Be afforded a chance for redemption. If if he apologizes, I think everyone everyone Meghna has chances for Dempsey white black yellow Brown. We all human beings. We all have a chance for redemption to make better. Okay. And he he's up for election. Eventually, let the voters decide and I'll ask you guess have they ever made mistakes, whatever type mistakes they are. So they're gonna lose their job. Okay. They have to lose a job. Everyone's gotta lose a job if everyone's gonna lose a job in elected office. We'll have no one serving. No one is perfect. Yeah. But I also have to ask you about the specificity of this particular image. I mean, we're not just talking about like making an off color joke. We're talking about a photograph. That captures someone in person in black face, which has a very harmful and intentionally racist history and standing next to someone in Clinton outfit. I mean, it's not it's not like a high does something a couple of beers kind of joke. It's Moore's much more serious than that. Don't you think that should he stay in office? Should he stay in office? Okay. We've all made bad decisions Magna. Have you ever me? No. We've never done this probably most of us. Thank god. But have you ever made a mistake in your life? Absolutely. But I can bike indefinitely. Tell you not to this not to this degree. I mean, I think this is I take your point. Jo I mean, I want to turn back to our to our to our guest to respond. But but Joe thank you for your call. Jalen return back to you. I I mean, that's the second. Call we've head here. Who says, hey, look, you know mistake. Or made. I love when people say that everybody gets a second chance with America tells people of color, otherwise every day of their lives. You know? I Don I don't even know what to say this stuff because it's just frustrating and embarrassing and exhausting. Yeah. I honestly, I'm just I'm just speaking this at you know, the fact that he feels this way, and he feels and also the fact that he's saying that everybody deserves second chances. I definitely agree that, but at the same time your health to a different standard when you're the governor of a state, you know, what I'm saying. There's a difference between me being a writer or contributor somewhere versus me being responsible for the, you know, the the wellbeing of my constituents, and I definitely feel like if you're in a position to lead, and you need to lead in, you know, take yourself somewhere else. Paula Reid was that you heard it was I mean, I want to jump in. And we have to remember this isn't about really redemption or when and how he can redeem himself this is about twenty twenty. And that's why you saw all of these extremely high profile Democrats jump in almost a contest who could be the first one to come out and condemn him and push him out. I mean. This is about politics. This is not about redemption anyone who supports his redemption seems to just want him to do it once he leaves. I mean, they are in a huge fight for twenty twenty four the White House for other seats across the country. And they want to try to draw a sharp contrast between the current occupant of the White House. Furthermore, I definitely think of it me and many other people if we did something similar, we would absolutely be fired. Because again, it's not about you. It's about how this reflects on the larger organization of which you are part. And you hear the Democrats saying pretty loud and clear, we don't want you. And we don't want this do your option on your own time. All right. Well, you know, what we could spend the rest of the hour talking about this. But there are other events coming up this week that we should spend some time considering so so let's do that. Let's turn and talk about the president's upcoming state of the union address set for tomorrow night and Seth MandA lemme turn to you. I I mean, obviously the. The threat of another government shutdown the issue of border security the wall, they're all going to be front and center tomorrow night as the president delivers his speech. What do you anticipate hearing from from President Trump? I I an -ticipant hearing. So is funny because I generally do not like the spectacle of the state of the union, it's monarchical and kind of strange, but. But you know, anytime you say you want somebody to shake things up. And then you the the answers be careful what you wish for because I think President Trump is probably going to give in unusual state of the union and indeed shake things up and do things a bit out of the ordinary. But I'm not sure that we're going to to love that that deviation. I I think that he's I think that the speech that he gave the statement he gave at the White House after the temporary deal was reached to keep the government open for another three weeks is going to be the model for the speech at the outset. He talked about wanting security and wanting a deal and wanting to work with Democrats, and and he talked about how heroic the how heroic the federal employees who went without pay were. And how everybody was part of it was it was a team game and everybody played their part in he really oppress. She hated it. And then he sort of went into this really tough sort of scare mongering about why we need the wall in the first place and the border and security, and it turned very dark very quickly. And so I think that that's that's basically the balance that you get with Donald Trump is that you do get the on the one hand the attempt to sort of meet the office and talk about things in grand terms and inclusive terms, but he always reverts also back to his point and what he's trying to say. And how he's trying to say and saying in his way. And so I imagine that that though unusual for a state of the union. I think is probably what we're going to see. Right. So let's hear a little bit of what the president said to Margaret Brennan on CBS has face the nation yesterday. And you know, you heard some of that darkness Seth as you were saying from the president in this interview. Here's a moment where he strongly criticized. House speaker Nancy Pelosi, she doesn't want the costing the country hundreds of billions of dollars because what's happening is when you have a porous border, and when you have drugs pouring in and when you have people dying all over the country because of people like Nancy Pelosi who don't wanna give proper border security for political reasons. She's doing a terrible disservice to our country. That's President Donald Trump on CBS face the nation yesterday. And just as as a point of fact, most virtually every study about crime rates from immigrants versus US citizens. Finds it immigrants commit crimes lower rates than American citizens. But J Connor what's your response to what you heard in that cut and what we might hear from the president tomorrow night. I think we're going to hear a lot more embellishing. As far as, you know, the the extent of of what happens whenever, you know, immigration, you know, these immigrants come into our country, and I feel like we're gonna hear probably about an hour's worth of fearmongering. That's you know, it seems to be his superhuman power. And I feel like that's what he's going to really tap into as far as trying to, you know, a bolster support for this wall and Paula Reid. I mean, the state of the union you heard seth's distaste for the state. But it's also a moment of a of capturing the public's attention, and it's political theater as well. But is it effective political theater because not just the president? But also Democrats are planning to invite guests that would support their views on what they see is border security or immigration reform. That's right. We expect them to bring refugees bring up prominent imigrants while all Republicans will likely bring customs border patrol officials, and and other people who work along the border. There is a lot of political theater. But I have a slightly different take based on talking to some sources inside the White House on what to expect what I am told. And again, you you never know what you'll get with this president. But the teleprompter, at least is expected to just sort of see see a little bit of a reset and McCall's for reaching across the aisle trying to break the stalemate. Now, of course, the irony won't be lost on anyone the both sides. The I'll shut down the government because they could not come to a resolution over border security. But I also think you're going to see the president focus a little bit less on immigration and a little bit more on domestic policy specifically infrastructure, drug prices because those are areas that have broad support. Of course infrastructure. I was a big theme for him on the campaign, a drug prices that is something he has spoken publicly about a thinking Macy him focus more on that as opposed to some of the other talking points that he's been pushing. But you really don't know. That's just White House sources or telling me. I did a pause here for Sega because e he might focus on those things. But even as he he's almost certainly going to pause his speech as has now become customary since the nineteen eighty s and point out to the person, the people that he's invited to the house chamber. And I think I've been reading that he may be inviting people whose who've had family members killed by. Yeah. Undocumented immigrants. Yes. And again is what's on the teleprompter? And then there's what gets tweeted afterwards. But I know there is a concerted effort to go in a different direction, focus on domestic policy achievements. Small a capital depending on what he wants to talk about as opposed to continuing this conversation this very unproductive conversation between Republicans Democrats over the wall. All right. We'll have just about thirty seconds before we have to take a break. Here. Think the messages on these other things on on infrastructure, for example, we'll get through all the attention on the on the border while I don't know if they're going to get past the they are going to overplay the the attention on the border, but they're definitely infrastructure is definitely something where there is. There are opportunities to reach across the aisle. Democrats love this. There are New York leaders of the party like Chuck Schumer who understand that the Hudson tunnels and the the northeast the whole northeast corridor is is in desperate. Need of infrastructure, fixes and reforms and improvements in so if he wants to reach across the aisle, the infrastructure is probably a good way to do. So well, we have a quick break. But when we come back, we'll talk a little bit more about what's ahead in the weeks news, including the president's state of the union address as you've just heard us discuss. What do you want to hear from the president tomorrow night? This is on point. Angie? Thomas went from church secretary to bestselling author with her book, the hate you. Give dang just can't come out the house. Now, look any kinda way. Somebody's gonna be like Thomas was in Kroger in her robe. What? She tells me what's in book number two this week on it's been a minute from NPR. This is on point magneto birdie. We are looking ahead to a big week of news of this hour, and helping us sort through it as Paula Reid, Washington. Correspondent for CBS news. She covers the Justice department, the White House, and Legal Affairs. J Connor joins us. He's editor at the root and a contributing writer at huff post and founder and co host of the extrordinary negroes podcast and Seth Mandell is also with us. He's executive editor at the Washington Examiner magazine. And before the break, we were talking about the president's state of the union address, which is scheduled for tomorrow evening, of course, looming over a lot of what's happening in Washington is the possibility of another government shutdown. So here's Alabama Republican Senator Richard Shelby who chairs the Senate appropriations committee. He told CNN state of the union yesterday that he's not optimistic about a border security deal that may. Come in time to keep the government open as that February fifteenth shutdown deadline looms, I've believed that we've got a chance this week to move things will we we don't know the president could be right. We could be wasting our time on the other hand we could come up to solution. But is long Jake as long as the speaker and the president are way at odds, the chances of us reaching agreement or are slim, but it could happen that's album, Republican Senator Richard Shelby on the other hand, Texas democratic congressman Henry que- are whose district is adjacent or runs along the US Mexico border told Fox News on Sunday that he thinks that bipartisan committee that's negotiating border security funding will be able to reach an agreement. We can work out a deal. I know we can sit down and work at if we just don't get any outside pressure. Do what we need to do. And I feel that the the process as as appropriate houses Senate, Democrats Republicans weaken. Work something out. I feel confident that's Texas democratic congressman Henry quasar Seth Mandell. Are you feeling optimistic pessimistic realistic? What is realism in his case? If that's what you feel. I'm not sure that there's much distance between realist, realism and pessimism. But I think that look I think that the president probably learned his lesson over the thirty five day shutdown. I think that if he had gotten anything worth remotely worth making that play. We it would be different. But I think that if ball is right. And you're going to hear more conciliatory notes from the president in his state of the union the reason for that is that it was a very lopsided victory for Nancy Pelosi and the Democrats over President Trump, and hopefully he has he has learned his lesson from that. So the brinkmanship is it's possible. You will see them turn down the volume on that. But on the other hand, the Democrats now also know that. That it it's that that Trump is likely to be blamed for another shutdown in that he is already mishandled this. And that they might the leverage might be on their side this time to you know, to keep to shut down the government again, and and make President Trump really come forward. And instead of meeting them halfway make President Trump come about three quarters of the way to them. Right. So Paula Reid. Let me turn back to you. There does have a point in terms of perhaps other members of the Republican party not wanting to whether the blowback that might happen. If there's an another government shutdown. Nobody seems to want a shutdown. I do think the president realizes on some level of he took a political hit for that. But he had such interesting characterization of the shutdown in multiple interviews on Friday. He talked about how the shutdown quote, set the table and lot of people are like what are you talking about who's coming to dinner what what is going on here? And what he meant by that is that it was a political tool that was used you. Focus attention on the border. So it does appear that he is opened to potentially using it. Again, I am not optimistic that they are going to be able to make a deal that the president will sign. It's one thing if this committee can come up with with something. But the president said if it doesn't include funding for his wall certain amount of funding. He's not even going to read it. So I'm not optimistic. They're gonna find that deal. I am personally brushing up on my national emergency powers because they do think that is a possibility the president might try even though everyone knows including the president that that would almost instantly get tied up in the court. So that the Paula from what you're saying? It sounds like we haven't moved an iota of Micron is very closely, and I have not seen one one centimeter of movement or progress. I mean, both sides sees seem as entrenched as they've ever been. I mean, I have seen no progress, quite frankly, except that the government the government did reopen. But since then nothing and there's only eleven days though, before the next possible shutdown. That's true. Well, j O'Connor what do you make of that? Jay. Honnor excuse me. Sorry for say O'Connor J Connor I'm going to get by j. No sorry. No. I I think that I I would hope that they'd be able to, you know, make a deal as far as increasing security at the border as far as with drones and other, you know, implementing other security measures. But if he tries to, you know, take it, you know, a call it an emergency. He's gonna take the Ellen court. So I mean, I think it's just a matter of he's gonna necessarily need to humble myself on this matter and really just try to step down from, you know, making the wall such a stickling point. Steph Mandela me turn to you. Because I do want to spend a little bit of time talking about the fact that Michael Cohen, the president's former personal lawyer is also set to testify this week behind closed doors to the house intelligence committee. We won't know what he's going to say because it's not going to be public. But, but how significant do you think is testimony might be? What will really matter is what gets leaked that has been the the story line all along is that the some things will get leaked from behind closed doors, and then we will debate them. And it's never really clear, whether we have a full picture, usually it's likely we don't and and it's often missing some important context. So, you know, this is not to put it on reporters who were reporting news. But just that that there are people behind the scenes who are going to be fighting a strategic leak war. I think is the way to put it. And and I think that if the the excerpts or the leaks that come out early are especially damning, then that's what we'll be talking about. But we also have a situation where we had with the BuzzFeed report where the report was that Cohen said that he had been directed specifically to lie under oath by president by Donald Trump, and that was. You know, something that was everybody said, whoa. If true. And in fact, if true sort of an article of impeachment in its in its own, right? So that just sort of rights itself. So if something like that comes out, then that's what we'll be discussing. But then you know, we saw the Muller team push back on the BuzzFeed report we saw reporters from other newspapers. I think it was in New York time say that they were unable to verify this reporters following up with similar sources and just sort of hung out there without any confirmation for weeks at a time. So I that's probably that sort of chaos and confusion rather than clarity. And light is probably what we're heading for. Okay. Well, so let's listen to a little bit of what a high Republican congressman Jim Jordan had to say about this because just to remind folks as background Michael Cohen Cohen, the president's former personal attorney he's going to be speaking again to the house intelligence committee this week behind. Closed-doors? He was originally supposed to speak in open public testimony before the house oversight committee. But as as mentioned he backed out last week citing threats from the president. Now, we don't know if the public oversight committee testimony will still happen. But here's congressman Jim Jordan on Fox News yesterday. Michael we are staff met with his lawyer Lanny Davis. Mr. Davis told our attorneys on the committee that Mr. Colin couldn't talk about any of the investigations couldn't. I mean the thing about that. If you can't tell any investigations, what are we going to ask him? So I think it was all designed and still is all designed to come in and have Mr. Cohen say bad things about the president. That's why Republican congressman Jim Jordan, the ranking member of the house oversight committee. So Paula Reid. Let me turn back to you. This is definitely in your wheelhouse. What do you think about about co and finally testifying to the intelligence committee? Well, the big thing here that they may be able to drill down on it goes back to the BuzzFeed article. And as I understand it parching this. Oh council statement their issue with that article was that it stated that the president directed Michael Cohen to lie to congress and the D word is the issue there. We're sources has adjusted to me that he was not specifically directed with the president was aware perhaps orchestrated it the head nods. You know, saying something without saying something that may be a fruitful area for Democrats to try to dig into saying, look this isn't part of the investigation necessarily, I mean possibly obstruction of Justice. He may just look can't talk about this. The president is currently under investigation for obstruction of Justice. But that would help give some clarity that would be some news. But if you're a Republican on this committee, you just keep reminding people the Michael Cohen has admitted that the last time you talked to congress. He lied. He wasn't truthful. So anything he says here, I think you just undercut it. Try to impeach him saying, why should we believe you this time? So J Connor does is that a weakness if Democrats want to push forward in their investigations of the of the president. Yeah. Is definitely a problematic. Cohen is proven himself to be called. What's a what's it called a, quote, unquote, unreliable narrator? So so, yeah, I'm very curious as far as how this is all going to play out. I'm watching like everybody else. And so let's hear a little bit of more of what the president had to say about the MO the progress of the special counsel's report overall in an interview with CBS's Margaret Brennan, just yesterday, the president said that making special counsel Muller's report on the Russian vestich in public that he's going to leave that up to the attorney general it's up to the attorney general. I don't know it depends. I have no idea what it's going to say so far. This thing's been a total witch hunt. And it doesn't implicate me in any way. There was no collusion. That was no obstruction was no nothing doesn't implicate me in any way. But I think it's a disgrace. That's the president yesterday on CBS Seth Mando. I mean, this is what the the president's been saying all along. No change in his his take on the Muller investigation there. No. I look what what matters is what Cohen says two molar and not. Necessarily what Cohen says to congress. And and so I think on on that note. That's what the president is thinking and he's not wrong necessarily in that. But I do think he also has to understand that. Impeachment is the cloud. That's hanging over all right in terms of action that can be taken before an election impeachment is the action that can be taken before an election and so- impeachment is a political act. It's a political tool. It is not a legal term of art. It is a you know, it is fairly vague. And it is impeach article grounds. For impeachment are what congress decides they are an aren't what congress decides they aren't. And so on the one hand he's right that in a certain way as far as we're concerned legally, though Cohen says Domoni to congress behind closed doors is really something of a side show and Muller is clearly the main event legally at the same time, he has to be aware that that the the political debate around it is actually what is more harmful to him than the possibility that he will that that Moehler will recommend say in. Dieting sitting president which he probably won't do. Yeah. So Paulo let me get your take on that. And then also give us some more insight. Paula into the president saying he's gonna leave it up to the attorney general on whether or not to make public special counsel's report, a rare a rare comment of restraint I related to special counsel's investigation. But any good lawyer? That's what you tell your client to say in ultima. I think something that a lot of people don't realize is how much of this is at the discretion of the attorney general special counsel Muller. He hands report off to the attorney general. You're acting general Whitaker or Bill bar, and it's up to him to decide how much is made public Whitaker hasn't really said how much he would he would share bar has committed issuing a summary report. That's either a redacted version of the report or his own his own summary. But House Democrats have said anything short of the full report for its there is no legal obligation for that to be made public. But anything short of that they are going to subpoena special counsel, Robert Muller and or his report. So ultimately after the Muller investigation wraps up. Then we will be in. Litigation over over the findings. And in terms of what happens to any evidence of criminal wrongdoing on that behalf of the president. That is also up to bar whether or not to pass that off to congress for possible impeachment. So the discretion of the attorney general looms large here his interpretation of obstruction of Justice because right now based on my reporting, there does not appear to be any suggestion that there will be evidence of conspiracy on the part of the president obstruction of Justice. However is a possibility it's up to Bill bar. What what he wants to do in his discretion? Here is enormous house. Democrats have vowed to fight anything short of the full report unredacted. Okay. So so Paula just just to be clear though. I mean, I don't want. I don't want to ask you to speculate. But is there anything the bar has said either recently in you know, in his congressional hearings or in the past that my vote a home memo. Back in July on the thing with his memo, though is as memo was talking about the firing of James Comey. And he said the president can obstruct Justice by firing Dave's Komi because he's at the pleasure of the president. Okay. But that's one tiny aspirin wants to -nificant aspect of a much broader investigation. The obstruction of Justice investigation is looking into things that the president tweeted at Jeff Sessions things he said to deputy FBI director, Andrew McCabe, a statements. He's made about possible pardons. It's much more broad, and ultimately that question of whether or not Michael Cohen was directed to lie or if the president was merely aware that he was going to lie. Those are the kinds of things that would have to be decided by Bill bar. Bill bar has William bar has suggested that if someone was for example, directed to lie that would be obstruction of Justice. And that's why that D word and that BuzzFeed report and clarifying that is so important because it appears that would be something that William bar has said in his testimony would be obstruction of Justice. But at this point, we do not. Have certainly I do not have confirmation that. That is what occurred. Okay. Well, you know, what we're going to leave it with that. Paula Reid, Washington. Correspondent for CBS news. It's always great to have you Paul. Thank you so much. Thank you and J Connor editor at the root and contributing writer at huffpost and founder and co host of the extrordinary negroes podcast J, Connor. It was great to have you. Thank you so much. Thank you. And Seth Mandell executive editor at the Washington Examiner magazine, Seth great to have us. Well, thank you. Thanks so much now at the behest of our producers here on point we have decided that this last Super Bowl was a yawning even though we're based here in New England. So the best thing of Super Bowl fifty three the empress of soul. Gladys Knight's soaring rendition of the national anthem, and we're going to close with that. I'm Meghna Chakrabarti. This is on point.

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Jay Connor: Hiring Now is a Strong Indicator of an Innovative Business

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Jay Connor: Hiring Now is a Strong Indicator of an Innovative Business

"This is the higher power radio show before we get started let's take care of little housekeeping. Today's world a lot is changing the businesses that will successfully whether those changes are made up of people who are adaptable resilient and emotionally intelligent learn how to measure emotional intelligence to enable you organization to build stronger more resilient team checkout criteria. Corp. Dot Com. Recruiting techniques land the most desirable talent launch, your company massive six. This is the higher power radio show with Rick. Girard. Quite hiring pandemic strong indicator of an innovative business mercury and welcome to the higher power radio show we help entrepreneurs and hiring managers solve difficult hiring challenges by providing solutions to your most challenging hiring problems. We share insights from top performing rebel entrepreneurs, disruptors, and industry experts like our guest today Mr j Connor recognized as an early thought leader and collective impact. Jay is the founder and CEO of learning ovation. The mission of learning ovation's is to have all students reading at or above grade level by the end of third grade jazzy sweet officer with two separate fortune five, hundred corporations. Has Extensive Leadership Experience in business nonprofit and policy areas, which is what makes j. the perfect guest for today's topic J. Welcome to the radio show. Hey, rick just a joy to be here today. It's a pleasure to have you one of these days I'll get my mouth working and I've been doing this for four years and still botch up the interest. It's my trademark now good today we're GonNa be discussing things we're talking about why you should be hiring now, and then we're going to go into how do we evaluate your business and learn how to skate to the PUCK. Hockey today exactly right. Let's talk about the challenge and if you don't mind share a little bit of your story as to what put you in the position of thinking, Hey, look we need to be the people who are hiring right now as opposed to just maintaining the status quo. Well, I think probably for context, the best contextual issue is the fact that we're in early elementary education and almost everybody knows that that has been tremendously impacted all the way from Dui close schools don't close back in the March April timeframe to now the question is, do we open schools don't open schools and the whole impact that it's had on parents and adults terms of kids being home kids being in The school. So we're just there on the cusp of you will of some very important thinking about how do we respond to cove it and I think by being there it's pretty much allowed us to understand. We were either going to sink or we were going to swim in terms of how we responded to the pandemic as I've done in lots of other different business situations is you look at crisis or you look at an issue facing you and you either have one way to do is hunker down or just go and figure out where the opportunity is in the midst of that change and whenever you focus on where the opportunity is is that you really are forcing yourself to think in. Much different ways, and that's really what we've been very successful at and why we're in a situation to be able to hire people. Now, this pandemic has definitely made us all think that we really need to pivot I, value your business, and really look into the fact that do, I have the right people on the bus lot of companies have had to eliminate people. But then as you go through the restructuring you learn, Hey, look at maybe I didn't have the right people in the right seat, and now you have the opportunity to make sure those people are in a different seats or find the right people for that too. Absolutely rick into some extent you almost even have to ask are these. The right seats to have on this bus knows it almost goes back to that preliminary peace and when we were confronted with a pandemic, and this is even before the P P P opportunity from Congress to help us maintain the workforce as we went through a person by Person Review Department by Department review in terms of these, the best folks are these the best ways of organizing our work to move forward into this unknown space. So we started at that review you had the luxury to be able to do that which a lot of us were heads down just thinking. Okay. Well, this isn't going to turn into anything really significant. I think a lot of US got caught with their pants down. Think so and I think some of it is that you realize that you're almost wishful thinking when you make the alternative in terms of what's going to be the easiest resolution by think what you almost have to force yourself to do is what would be the hardest resolution what would be the worst case scenario and then begin to say, well, what if that plays out I think that forces you to not get into that hunkering down environment is that you really think back way this could be much worse. We don't know what it's GonNa play out. We know that last time. There was a pandemic lasted for a year and a half. What do we know now that why it would only lasts for a couple of weeks? It's much better if you plan for the worst because if the worst doesn't happen, there's no downside if you plan for the best and the worst happens, you've wasted a lot of energy and perhaps prevented yourself from responding to that worst. That is very true gone through the phase already where a lot of people have been forced to pivot what are the challenges that you're seeing in your business right now that are maybe hindering or Helping you to find more people well, in terms of finding more people I think the very first thing it's quit you started out rick is you're GonNa make that assessment folks on the bus how are we doing and then the next question that you think you need to ask is are these the right questions you should be asking these the right position descriptions that she should be recruited against because a profile of person that would have been very appropriate six months ago might not at all be the profile and the skill set or the competency that you're going to be looking. For going forward and a Lotta Times, we allow ourselves strategically to move forward but all of our administrative and all of our tactical things stay back where we were and so I think it's very important to make sure that you're aligning yourself with what is the strategy and then you all of those enabling kind of heavy lips writing position descriptions, nobody's Wade of spending a weekend but it's a very important way to think through. Am I gonNA, get the people that align line up with where we WANNA go I. Wish I would have got that memo years ago because I spend my Position this is all the time he brought up a really good point there, which is we've almost been forced to take a step back and actually be more strategic, which is good as a business. Now, you need to start thinking where's this business need to be a year from now like you said, plan for the worst evaluate and then hire for that person that you need to have a year from now let them grow the other thing is. I think a lot of US entrepreneurs. We have a need that needs to be filled, and so we go after that need that one person we're looking for somebody who's Don exactly what you need them to do nobody wants to do that I. have this conversation all the time why would I wanna go take a job with your company doing the same exact than I'm doing right now for less bay they'll go do it in an Amazon because they'll. Get a nice healthy raise in salary, but there's really no reason to hire. Let somebody grow into the role that somebody rise to the occasion they're going to perform in your just get a much higher quality of work out of them absolutely and Rick. The Way I think you can do that. We certainly are a small business. So we certainly have to look at that. How can we be most strategic and opportunistic? Is that you look across your? Spectrum and say what are the competencies that we have to add? What do we need to have that we don't have right now and then as you're looking at that person that boy I hope they grow into this role you're kind of protecting your downside to say but at least and bringing in these competencies that I didn't have before and any position that you look at whether you're talking about a marketing position sales position software development position they all. have a range of skill sets. So if you're filling out your capacity, your competencies like baseball manager thinking about, okay. Do I have the kind of defensive players that I need on the field and at the same time that right balance of offensive players then you're able to bring somebody in might not have the full experience of accomplishing. They've not done nationwide marketing campaign before, but they're doing much better knowledge of social media than you ever had. In the company before. So you're able to buy yourself that additional time for them to grow into the position because they're filling in a capacity that you didn't have. Why is this important to other entrepreneurs to look at it from this perspective? I think the main speaking having done a number of entrepreneurial startups and then coaching and teaching in terms of entrepreneurs is we tend to think about it as the entrepreneur we tend to think about it as us. And as soon as we can get to thinking about it as we or as them and what are the things that I need to support myself with is the faster that you can move from an entrepreneurial enterprise to a real business and it really is how do you move yourself? That's not saying that you're not important. That's not saying that you're not valuable, but you are just one of and how do you move yourself to that as quickly as Possible because that's where your opportunity is going to be, and it's always where the sticking point is with. A lot of US entrepreneurs is that we want perfection. We WanNa have it done right and we think we have the only answer realized that you don't allow other people to do as well. Exactly. You're listening to the higher power, radio show I'm rich Gerard, your host, and for our podcast listeners, we're gonNA take a quick educational moment from our sponsors. Emotional intelligence has emerged as one of the most important qualities to look for in hiring talent today employees who are emotionally intelligent are empathetic understanding and able to motivate others to a higher level of success. It's no surprise. They also make great leaders you modify is the newest game based assessment for emotional intelligence and it's been tied to predictable outcomes like better interpersonal effectiveness, collaboration, and productivity. At Criteria Corp Dot Com. Check out stride search. Dot Com there. You'll find additional content and resources to help you land great hires. Today our guest is J. Connor. He is the founder and CEO of learning ovation. We're talking about why it's important to hire. Now, we just covered a little bit about why it's important Your Business Jay and I talked on the phone we always do prep call beforehand. Jay had this Wayne. Gretzky quote which is one of my favorite quotes but I'll let you go into it and let's talk about why that's been something that you incorporate your business even were touching a little bit on it in the first half rick and that is the sense that as you look at a crisis, a pandemic or whatever, and you're trying to say, okay, what is it GonNa look like on the Other side, how do I get ourselves our organization best prepared to understand the market understand the opportunity. Once this pandemic gets behind us it reminded me and I think it's very analogous to the wing Gretzky quote rate hockey player that they ask them how is he always anticipating and being right worry needs to be and he says I skate to where the PUCK is GonNa be to wear the. Player is hitting the and I think that's so much. What we as good strong business people need to do is we need to anticipate okay in education the field that I'm focused at right now, what are going to be impacts of this corona virus? How's it to play off with home schooling with remote education distance learning in that, and then if it's successful if it's successful than policies for that? Happens. Before I. I. Shame on you. Jay. Does that Oh I know. Way Too often. I God I can't get it quiet happens in the best us. So good good break. Good Laugh. Yep, exactly. So that is the point in terms of envisioning where the industry your market is going to be so that you're setting up structures in recruiting people that are going to succeed in that market next year, not in the market that you knew you understood from last year. So you evaluating where the opportunity is going to be as opposed to what it is. Now, especially, what it was before exactly, how does one do this? How do you? How do you actually force yourself to ask where is this opportunity going first of all assuming that you really know your industry and know the constraints that are in it you're putting yourself in your customers and your marketplace's. Shoes. If they're confronted with what you're seeing in your reality, imagine that it's now multiplied magnified to the people that you're trying to serve, and so you can do it in old classic kind of marketing terms. You can pick up the phone and call somebody and saying what are you seeing at your level point of view you can also look at it in terms of the things that you were working at usually goes things that you're identifying as time clock differences branding or marketing positioning, or whatever are probably considered looking towards the future. So then the question is, do we double down on that future that we perceived or has that future changed and so you begin to have that conversation with the Momentum that you would already established, and that allows you to bring your existing employees on board to this new reality if you make it a complete break point and just think, oh I see what's over the horizon I'm GonNa race there and you don't think about how do you connect that to the work that people had already been joint was this change is important. You can lose the very people that are going to get you to that future. So I think in many ways, it's understanding what has changed why it's changed and then try connect with momentum's or directions that you're already going to have instead of people having the sense and adults really react very badly to Oh my God this is. Completely different than what we thought it was before and they tended then just go home and cry whereas if you say boy, this is an opportunity for us to do what we were GonNa do but do that much faster or do it with this kind of results in the marketplace you have people leaning into it they already say this isn't that. Different. This is just a propulsion or this is just a clarity about what we were working on before because no matter how clear your vision of what that future is it your team that's going to carry there, and so your team has to be the ones that see it in the sense of how it connects to where they were to where. You WanNa go and how that translates into the hiring process is that you have a tremendous opportunity right now people are taking calls from normally would not be taking calls I get call backs. So people are unsure if they don't see that their current company is hiring they don't know what's going to happen. Next and communication is pretty poor across the board with a lot of companies. You have such a clear advantage in being able to say, Hey, number one I'm hiring and we should talk people who normally you wouldn't be able to open up a conversation with our returning calls are talking right now. Absolutely there's the opportunity you don't get this kind of an opportunity very often especially in a strong. Market, which is what we came out of the first quarter of this year. Absolutely I'll testify testified that just in this current search that we have right now vice president of product search candidates that we're talking to are beyond what we would have expected to be able to have even know who we are or even respond to our post. So you're. Absolutely. Right. There's people that are now I think responding to organizations that are continuing to move in grow because they're looking around in their present organization say, my Gosh, this seems like status, but the world doesn't seem status, and so I think you've got at the beginning of the pandemic probably most of the people that we saw were just hunker down they. Were not even thinking about job changes while why would I change jobs in this kind of upside down topsy turvy world where now we're seeing a much different response we're seeing an attraction to those new jobs, those companies that are distinguishing themselves because they have opportunity because they might be more familiar with organizations that see a smaller set of opportunities in the future, and so just the fact that you're the market right now has allowed you increase not only your visibility, but probably the pool of talent you're going to attract just don't get cocky though is an entrepreneur and start making the mistake of having a bad hiring process because that's GonNa turn people off absolutely people are going to evaluate opportunities with. More scrutiny today they just are they're going to make a move. They haven't been laid off. They're gonNA, make a move. They need to know one hundred percent. What's in it for them is more important. Now today than it ever has been absolutely, and that encircles back to the point rick you're making before is that that search committee that you have? Of Your leads of your team that you WanNa do it is incumbent upon them to have that real clarity about what that future picture is because they're the ones that are going to be attracting that new person to the teen and if they're saying well, I know we're hiring but I'm not quite sure why then you're going to close a lot of. Your team that's involved in the recruiting process and they're saying only God this is just so exciting. What we're doing you're creating that kind of propulsion of Saint. Why wouldn't you go with this new company? Do you need the right tools in place to be able to do this? Would you mind sharing what you're doing? Differently that's getting people engaged with you. We talked about seeing what that opportunity is, and then we've also talked about in terms of knowing what has to be in place to deliberate. So those are two very key pieces and I, think the next one is really along the lines of you can't start from scratch in terms of a recruiting and hiring process if you don't have A. Good people process already in place, and so it's also a time for you to sit back and really reflect in terms of the people really have a good sense of their evaluations, a good sense of the work that they're doing and can they then carry that forward. So I think as you're going into that recruiting process, you should also be reflecting on do we have the kind of organization that is going to stand for and allow somebody coming on board to be attracted to you? So it has a lot to do with what is your evaluation process as a lot to do with what your even your ninety days goals are. If you said, we're GONNA recruit you, and then we're GONNA have. A Ninety Day test period. What do you do at the end of the ninety days? Is that what I do with every single one of the people that we recruited this organization is I take that as an opportunity to get on either an email or call him on the phone say I am so glad that you've been so successful with a ninety day trial and are so looking forward to the contributions that you can make going forward and then again Dr Crystallize what it is that we're trying to accomplish why they're addition is so important to that they're ninety day period to it's really important that you build some count ability into play we even put those in the job descriptions do performance. Metrics for the first ninety days if you can define those out I, talk about it quite often. But if you could define those out again, you become that much more attractive to the person that you're trying to hire because you've sat down and thought about it and it doesn't take that much time to do. You can do it in fifteen minutes. You can put together performance metrics again make sure they're measurable not just Hey, learn this and do this. You've gotTa have some metrics involved with it but the fact of the matter has been you know whether or not you have a successful higher than that call from you I'm sure is a welcome call I'm sure they're like great. I made it past. I think at some extent rick, we might have a little bit of leg-up in the sense that our mission is, how do we get more and more children reading at grade level? So therefore, we've really set a criterion. We know how to measure that. We know our accomplishment towards that. So then as we start relaying and in terms of employee evaluations in terms of employees mattresses, we know that there needs rigor to that. Otherwise you're just kind of guessing otherwise it becomes a popularity contest versus are they really contributing and pushing the Company forward. So I can agree with you more in terms of that sense of having real clarity about what it is that you want people do, and if you can't measure it, you probably shouldn't go ahead and hire the person because if you can't measure progress is probably not somebody you need to have onboard sounds like you're saying that if you can't actually tie to the business objectives, dad is not a good performance metric. Exactly. That's a really good point because I think we set performance metrics that are out of the business. When you evaluated your team let's go over that really quickly. What were the steps you went through to evaluate your team to figure out whether or not? You had people in the right seat the first thing is that again, remember right at the beginning cove it. We didn't know whether there was going to be governmental help. We didn't know what that landscape was gonNA look like. So I, was really confronted with I knew how much working capital I had I knew how many months I could keep the door open the question that. I needed to have at that stage was, can I justify for what we needed to accomplish all the roles that we had there there are several roles that we could not justify either in terms of performance or in terms of the value add that we were getting by having that role. So I think you know to some extent. You should always have that as constantly on your mind. Are you able to justify those roles as you try to move forward and so we probably were close to ten plus percent of the folks that. We said boy, we really can't justify moving forward and so that became that first decision and then the next decision became. Now, what kind of resources do we need as we're responding to this changed environment? I probably wouldn't have had the ability to recruit or to bring on those different resources. If I hadn't gone through that I process in terms of saying am I sure that the people that are presently with us are actually going to be the ones that are going to get us to success. That's a great point we're getting. Pretty close on time j what would you say would be two or three key takeaways that you can give the audience that can plug into business today the first one it's never too late to pivot right now, if you've spent the last four or five months hunkering down what I would really say as you can still sit down and say, you now have probably much better sense of what the future is going to be for your organization than I had back in the June timeframe. So that's an advantage take advantage of that. Don't feel Oh. My God I didn't respond or I didn't Act Act go ahead and do that. So that would be the first one. It's never too late to pivot and I think the last one is that whole thing of taking that honest appraisal of the team is that you are not being a bad person by asking the fact is that are we building the best team when somebody decides that where we have to go out on the free agent market and find new second baseman? You're not a bad person you're responding. To what are the things that we need to do to be successful team and I think those are the two things that I would say is really clear on the folks being there is being those that can help the organization as a whole most successful and never be afraid to pivot and that takes us into Russia. Jay thanks so much for your time investment today and I want to welcome you to higher power radio community. What would be the best way in which members of our audience can find your company and reach you. Folks to look at our website, which is learning ovation's L. E. A. R. N. I., N. 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3055: Babys on Fire w/ J.P. McDade

Keith and the Girl Comedy Talk Show

53:02 min | 1 year ago

3055: Babys on Fire w/ J.P. McDade

"Hey. Welcome the Keith. And the girl I'm Keith Malley. Come to has received my stand up. Yes. It's my yearly standup birthday extravaganza. Are we embarrassing? Anybody? Are we happy about what do we think? I laughed a lot. And and you've come a long way like you actually sound like you give shit about some people, then you should all over them and come back. But how do you mean like your world views are, you know, more spread out in more open? Thank you. And you made me laugh a lot, right? That's the goal of standup. Isn't it to make you laugh a lot? It is not embarrassing. And I love that. You can only talk about your stand up in this, very hilarious voice. So I gave my stand up. And I think it's okay. It's very funny. We'll go to Keith and the girl dot com slash birthday. And you'll see the festivities. We're having a thirteenth fourteenth. Fifteenth four shows over twenty comedians. That includes my stand up. We'll get to the other stuff later. Of course, today's guest performs all over New York City regularly at stand up New York has been on comedy, central's roast battle. If you check the website of the king. It's mcdade baby dot com. You can check out his dates for July two thousand seventeen to September two thousand seventeen. He'll be at silent trailers though on the fourteenth of April with Connor dela handy going against Christian Finnegan and myself JP mcdade, what is stand up comedy. It's when lost they're talking about. When you make them laugh a lot. Still still don't understand. I I am getting very excited as looking at it again today stand ups, I don't. I rate it down, and then I have to get into my head, and it's not completely in my head yet. But I have the title and as comedians, that's the hard part. So that part's done and now it can just cruise. I think you had the title like three months ago, and we're just riding around it. I'm dating your mom is the title. I think that's why you guys started dating right because this'll be controversial. You have three kids. Let's get to know each other. I've never done kids material, by the way hem the quick update for those who heard for April Fools day, your brother called do you want to hear about this? My anger brother who works with me, and my older brother who's also in podcasting for a longtime mixer g he'd interviews entre. Preneurs he works on the tech side for both our companies, and there's some stuff that I just don't know how to do and neither deceit, and he he runs our website things like that. He also runs what is very important on our premium content. This this company. Any that recurs the payments people can remain members? So they can get the extra content that we put out he sends me on April first, and I don't pay attention April. I like this company that he names the company is has suspended your account. I can't deal with it right now because I'm on vacation. So just deal with the customer service that comes in. And it seems like they're going to suspend your account for like a month. Now, this means that we can say goodbye, the Keith and the girl like, it's it's every it's the whole thing. It's what keeps us afloat. I'm already starting to think about all other ways to do things on like, you know, what fourteen years of podcasting. I think I could step down. I got the hall of fame. Like, I really I quit. I had my quitting speech. It's going to be fantastic. Maybe we could have made it fifteen years that would have been a nice round number. But you know, what fourteen make sense? Well, I see these texts come in happens abate, you know, where this is going April first and just these weird messages enough of them where I went out. Let's April Fools. It hit come of course. And then Pentecost make crying not just cry. Like, I want my, mommy, right? And so sad. That's the thing. I don't I don't think the realization that it's April Fool's prank would make it better at all. That's still shitty. Right. Apron pranks are prankster crime dangerous. I don't salt it isn't a salt. It's in the salt on my heart, and this company has fucked up in the past. So it's plausible. It's very plausible. Fuck you for believing this thing that could have happened. Yeah. There was a thing recently where they cost us a couple thousand dollars on the call with them going like, you know, I put on my grown voice, Keith you and doing voice, this is taking up my time. So not only did you steal mummy. Oh. Literally taking money from me right over you're sending you an invoice. That is my tape has it bedrick Stewart. So. Yeah. So I was hysterical crying. Anyway, I headed on the schedule to visit them anyway out in Long Island this week. And I know it's my brother, so it's fine. He picks me up from the Long Island railroad station, and what's playing in the car. The part that machining over on my podcast by coincidence or doubt, it's FICO. He thinks that's very funny. But I don't know how to use modern cars, I see the display on the car. And I try to press it to make it stop laughing at me everything. Always move nitty. So you guys made PC apologizes. So he apologized. He goes against my own rule. I had this rule of like, no finances and no death. And if the jokes first of all, there's nothing left. When it comes to these prints. Everything's it's either finances death or they substituted salt for the sugar when you put it in your coffee, his death. These are the only three things if not too. Yeah. But then so he can't help himself. He's like I shouldn't have done it. However, and again, I shouldn't have done it. But I think it would have been funnier. If and I go you gonna finish that sentence. And he goes, I really I'm not going to do it. And I think it's wrong that I did it. But it would have been funnier. If we were on the phone because I can do it. Here your voice that you heard it. And then switch it up on you. And I'm like where are you? It still would have affected me. He goes. No, I'm not gonna do. I'm just telling you all the ways that I could do better next time. Right. It's the apologies. Right. Isn't that? Crazy. Yeah. So, yeah, it's either your jokes on April first or either finances death or you tell loved when you're having an affair, and I know somebody did that. And they said to come clean them cheating on you in. She said, you know, what? Good because I am we should break up. And it goes I propose and she goes. Oh, yeah. Okay. Then me too. Together. Yes, she made the right decision. Either scenario even if it is a practice. Oh, this needs to end a better way to go about that is hey, I saw you emails between her new Brian. I think we should end it. Well, you don't your family's nuts because you're older, brother? You mentioned. What's good that you know, now already? You're defending just thanking you for your time. Andrew warner. He's he's going on. He's doing seven marathons in seven continents. Yeah. Last last check, that's all the continents prank on yourself. Yeah. Is he dying because other than that? This makes no sense. You see? Okay. It's his talent for two thousand nineteen. He's not only going and doing twenty six point two mile marathon. He's also interviewing someone in that country and just generally running that it's not like the only run. He did he he's in Chile. I think now, and he's like just going for, you know, ten mile run to see the city. And then I think the next day is the marathon sued him. I'd say what are you running away from right? That's all probably. Mm fat does. He have a buddy. No, no. He's never been fat. And he's never been out of shape. Right. But isn't that those people now, he's okay? He just he likes town just he can't stop. He's like he is a full day. And then he goes which had time to bike like wanted to. I only had an hour. But then I had to take care of the kids two hours would really be ideal at the end of the day. Like, okay. Oh, I get comedy kids. Does he have to on? Now. I get it out. Go to do it in the south pole. The morris. I got a a mission start doing a run. Then you have ten Dr Who I see on Instagram is doing what she teas this about last week. She said she's like a stunt person. She's going to set herself on fire. So on now seeing video of him to she's picks up. Something looks like bunch of ice. Let's like shoes Emma spa. No. It's a back porch. Okay. She's lighting a lighter, and there's a fireball in her hand. And. Let me think. What are we doing? Person who taught me how to do this and helped me that's him leading his hand on fire. He's more calm about it. Right. Yeah. It's all the way. We both smoked weed for share. Of course, you. So here's what happened. So there's a thing. You need mental health. And it doesn't look fun JP. Does it look funded looks when a hibachi chef is doing it? I think that's right or when they did their fingers on fire way, more bad ass getting food this. I don't benefit from at all. It's it's Instagram's you guys can see person with as much hair as you not be doing. I put it up. Did you notice that is very smart is pretty close? Is catches forget about it. It's going to look like the statue of liberty. So what happens is I think there's like, soap and water something. But then you add butane. It makes his bubbles. You take the bubbles. You light them on fire, and it somehow protects you from all the fire that's happening on your hand butane is like a lower density than the soap and water mixture. So floats on top of the and then we learn science, you know, you know, you know, how I protect myself wedding anything on. I don't do it. Just don't do. Okay. So what's the best case? She doesn't. She doesn't get a prize at the end how many likes Israel. Not to risk your hands. I get more with my nephew's pictures on. Just like what set him on fire? And she gets carpel tunnel or something we've gotta act like it's not related, the brother who pranked you son. There you go. Kid on fire for real. April fools. But I really thought I was being so much cooler than I was because my hand was on fire and saw like, wow. That was cool. I'm cool. Let's cool. Thank you saw in person. What you also didn't hear it. If you hear the sound that's like. No. Regular iron man over there. Well, here's what he said to do. It goes take the bubbles in your hand light them on fire and then raise your hand up. And then if you start feeling your hand. Yeah. If you start feeling the actual heat like flick it off so that the fire stops immediately. Right. But I forgot the put your hand up part, which is the part that looks cooler because in the fire keeps going, but you don't feel the flames as much. So I forget what you see in video is his hand lights on fire. He calms put put his hands up. And then you see the flames keep going his hand appearing. And it looks amazing. You see me like my hand on fire. I forget to put my hand up. I start feeling the heat, and I just start putting it out like a maniac if you have a book at watering their by you should at all times. Nearby to tricycle shit. I've never done this in my living room right now. There's a book at war. No part of you guys wants to try. So what happened me was? I was when I was in college, I was playing beer pong in my friend's dorm and is more dangerous than this happens with beer pong while you could just locate a shoulder, no problem. But in this instance, one of the balls got a dent in it. And they say that what you can do to get rid of the debt is you steam like you boil water, and you hold it over the water and it like inflates in it pops out. So I figured let's cut out the middleman take the water out of the equation, just grab a lighter and hold a ping pong ball of the lighter ping pong balls. Are extremely flammable. Barely like the flame wasn't even touching. It was like six inches away. And it just burst into flames in my hand. And I dropped it like between a dresser and a desk, and it was just like burning and I had to just really quickly on cap about of the water and pour it out. Otherwise, we were all we were all dead, and I don't wanna make fun of the amount of money that a college kid has. But you know, you literally can't buy list of one thousand ping pong balls at for a dime. That was out of our budget at the time. There was no way. Well, so that's what happens when opin pong light seven five. Tristan? Did you did they didn't have Google back? Then I guess did you go to like fires? And do you see people do it? Well, I dumb shit around. Wouldn't it be great? If like when we had the campfire could like sit directly on it and light myself on fire and just feel the flames like, it's a warm blanket. Cool do self immolated. Monks. Can do it you know, and comeback from them. One the next life short. Lose go next level here guys. And so I think after enough times me saying dumb shit like that. He's like, you know, we have Google. So he he looked it up. And he's like, let's do it right now. A couple of videos of us looking at like, no not doing it until we look into it a little bit more. And by me. I mean, you going wrong. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So then the next time we hang out. He's like, okay. Let's do it. Now. Did you look into it more? He goes, no, I'm not doing it. And so here's what happens is I need to have it on my schedule because he'll come over. And be like, all right. I looked it up. Let's do it. Go. No. We've to say that the next time. We're meeting this is going to happen. It's just like my drug use like some people like, let's do acid. I happen to have it right now. Go no, I scheduled acid for next Sunday. But when you Google so in yourself on fire, I know how the internet works. It doesn't automatically show. You the times that failed like checking web MD of a coffee of aids. Yeah. I don't know. He he tried it. I on fire. People have great SEO of. Stories down them. That's going to be the new goat yoga like setting yourself on fire. Skip hot yoga just cover yourself. Insides, do they have other conventions? I should look that out. It was very fun. Would you guys after watching the vigneault me who's a was who can do this? And I was fine. And I wasn't even careful really put my hair up. You wouldn't do it honest. One hundred percent yet. See a candle without like, okay. I got the bucket bucket. Hansi a candle without putting his hand in it. Yeah. I'll yeah. Some finger. Yes. No go to the hospital. Hot wax, like whenever there's a candle to stop myself pouring Mahal on right sticking finger in it. This is how this is home. What's your your brother doesn't want to be around this kids because even your other brother, let you babysit and knows that you're bored. You pour wax on yourself. It's like, yeah. But still we can use in that case, you go has a great bit about like a bonfire and how whenever there's a bonfire. There's always one guy who just like declares himself the Commissioner of the fire. That word. That's me. That's every time. There's got tend to we've played me and Keith and don't let him get himself out of this scenario at all ready happened. We have played Jenga in the fuck and fire now, I one I'm from the desert moving heartburn Yang's. Yes, there are stacked up on top. Yeah. How burning wood? Yeah. When it all falls over as Jianguo games tend to end what could go wrong, and we were in the lids. We were camping and the wood. The wood is perfectly shaped you make a fire and the new C which one you could take and bare hands take from the bottom and put on the top. I think there's more control than you in that video. It was lit on fire could head it. You're acting like somebody let you on fire. I know you did it. I know that's fun. Could've foreseen this. I'm busy having sex. But I'm happy for you. So when we were playing Jenga is that not everything is now in you know, what you're doing keep your getting everyone to respond to me like this. I put this thing on Twitter and somebody goes, oh my God. I'll give keep the twenty dollars just have sex. And I'm like, you think this is were pression fires are pushing anything is you're going to be you're going to be cutting the not-i'm. It's awesome. It's all related. You haven't done it before. And you're in your forties. Interesting doing the crazy shit. I've ever heard of. But you've been saying this to me for like fifteen years. The what that does wacko. Well, you take away that you weren't wacko. But now, you're next level psychotic. All right. This is the fun version of me. Right. This is what the choker says. Yeah. Okay. Okay. All right, more years. So this e- does going to be disliked jumping over school buses on a dirt bike. I'm into park core. Now touch with me. And those real excited today. She says, I gotta show you this video. It's about the Google virtual assistant, and what they're going to be capable of with computers with on our phone like this Serey. It can't even get a name. Right. When you say to call your best friend who you call every day. That's true. I don't know. I have a two or three keeps in my phone book. And if I'm telling Siri, call Keith do I really have to say Malley at this point twice it called this guy in my phone book named bastard, Keith. He's like, I think you have the wrong number. I'm like, you bastard, once called me a bastard the computer picked it up. We'll here's it sounds as if I. But then I'm like, wait a minute. I think I've heard this video before I play for you, of course. And then I see oh, it's a year old. Let's say you wanna ask Google to make your Hackett appointment on Tuesday between ten and knew what happens is the Google system makes the call seamlessly in the background for you. So what you're going to hear this the Google assistant actually calling real salon to schedule an appointment for you. Let's listen. Mature catcher client. Shit. It said that's the computer park. I was I was I wasn't concerned until I heard right. Okay. So there's that not only that it has. So we've gone through different upwards inflections on how people talk high. This is the most modern version of that upwards inflection it's not just a valley girl from like our day in the past. It's a abundant Vanna like it's only at the end, you know. Hi, I'm limited haircut. Client. I'm looking for something may fared. Want? Primer around at five pm. We do not have a piano available. But quote, the we have that if a one fifteen have anything. Between ten AM and the wealthy 'em depending on what he would like with service. Wonky. But with bucking dead, right home. My god. How many of these people have I talked to? And then how many people do talk like that? And then the next day, you're like your systems kinds of ding bet or or there was like a male voice assisted, and I could see myself going like how do you like working with that, dude? This system I'm gonna be on a call with the customer service for Time Warner Cable or something, and I'm gonna think I'm gonna be talking to human. But what it turns out? I'm actually talking to is like one of those Boston dynamics dog robots that's inside an Amazon blimp. And it's coming to murder me, and I'm talking to complaining about something. And then it gets pulled off on a drone from the blimp delivered to my neighborhood. And it walks climbs over a fence and goes into my backyard while it's still talking to me. And then it gets me to look inside my fridge, and then it breaks in and rips my legs off that's how it's going to unplug us. Plug us back in. Okay. So we'll kill O humans around though. I don't know now. Hi, I was wondering. Kill all. Now, we have a ten o'clock henna. AM fine. Okay. What's your meet the first thing of Li Li said, I'll pay perfect. I will see leap that Hannah off on may third. Thank you have a day. Now. This is I blew my mind. I'm showing Keith. And he goes what was that like a year ago with a focus it then? Yeah. Where's where's it? It's so great so subtle. You don't even know that you've interact. Sure, I'd be excited about all these things. They just you'd never see where's the pill for men. Where's the flying cars? Where's the age care? I'll tell you what. I'll keep living probably got held up when they tried to do this on a Long Island hair salon, and then the simulator was like I'm trying to book an appointment for. Okay. First of all, can you stop it? Okay. Can you just watch you tone, please? And then it didn't know how to respond to that level of hostility back to beta testing. So. So my issue is this is so lovely. I love it. And also, yes, we're all dead, blah, blah, blah. You know, I don't know why people are having kids anymore. But my worry, of course, is very selfish. My name is hemmed. And when you book me, a hair appointment, what's the name? Her name is. How do you spell that? Who knows just fell it any which way she'll answer to anything Kameda? The robot starts talking shit about you just yell out judicial answer. And then and then when I hear the the applause to it's like, well, this is Google dot com. They have to applaud well they have a job for another year. We gotta make this happen now to play in foods ball all day slide around in tubes. Yeah. That's what you're doing in. That office aren't ya? No, I'm using the photos, right? Let's say you wanna call restaurant, but maybe it's a small restaurant, which is not easily available to book online. The call actually goes bit differently than expected. So take a listen. Hi, I'd like for Wednesday the seven. For people. It's before people. Win. Night Wednesday at the pm. Actually need light opera. Like, why people go you can come. The rebel goes why this is the who's on first. Situation the way it usually to be needed to. For next Wednesday of seven knife up to maybe you can comfortable k. Okay. Oh, I got you bang. Yeah. But then how does how does the assistant tell you you just show up? They don't make reservations unless it's five or more people. But you should be fine. The late is not long for it's weird. So okay. So here's here's what I what I learned from that interaction. First of all, they're letting male voices. Do this own car new world next is he says, I'm in very particular situation with lets us know a lot about ourselves. Like when he says, can I do it on Wednesday on the seventh? It's because you know, it could be the seventh. I don't wanna tell you when the seventh is, you know, it's I'm kinda dumb also the seventh. And then the other is was after he needs to correct her 'cause 'cause he says for at seven six pm. Yeah. It's like, oh, maybe you're right now six PM yea like me at the deli. I'm like, don't you say monster cheese because I know I absolu-. Did. That's right. Yeah. If I Kappa Pacino like can I get that dry? And then I don't trust that you heard me. Did I say dry yet? Might so forgetful than I even call you. Yes, you're on the phone now, sir. Okay. But isn't that weird that we need we need these like side, the robot knows don't correct people unless you sound a little bit dumb in a little bit confused yourself. I am amazed by this. But again, I am also going to wait until I see it. I know what I phone has. It has I I could turn my face into a sexy, FOX. And then whenever my eyes get big the FOX when I stick my tongue. This'll thing was just sketch Cayo is just like a guy record. It was completely fake. They like Google like oh shit. The presentation is tomorrow. Anything goddamn? All right. Kids in here. Now. I would like to schedule reservation or that sounds good. But make it dumber. Like people. I. Reservation, but no I can be a draft. And you wouldn't even know it. I bet you can tell that it's a computer because it agrees with you and then disagrees right after so when you're wrong goes. Yes. So you say it's on Wednesday. Yes. It's on Tuesday. You know what? I mean. Like, it's picking up that we need to be smarter than it. Those through gonna kill us a personal system when it cries. Crying. Working hard enough. Right. You can get any personal system to cry. If you ask them like three questions every single one, I do know like working for Dr Phil. That's great. It's really just. Yeah. Your family a lot. Well. I find myself doing that on this very show. Sometimes some say, oh one of these big game hunters got run over by rhino. And I go. Yeah. By an elephant. And what's interesting about that bubble, blah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You know, what's the best is when people start arguing, and it's like keep his being nice evalu-. Just and you're always so nice about it settle correction. But I'll say something that he thinks is the dumbest thing, and you'll know that he thinks it's the dumbest thing because he'll go like you probably mean this word, right? Like, do you happen to know what this word means? And I go all your being made. No, I don't know. Clearly now, I'll tell you what how when they have a phone that you can pay thousand dollars for that. They brag about how thin it is. And I don't need an extra twenty dollars for a case. Then we're on the something you gotta really work to impress. Keith. Yeah. Yeah. I need a just a thousand dollars. But I need a case. But you're bragging about this. You're bragging that the screen is the same screen that the us in helicopters look around next. I'm you're in public about how many broken screens there are I will not get on a helicopter anymore. This is the craziest should be a class action lawsuit on these fucking screens. Instead, we go shoot it. Go to case, Bob, I agree. And I'm into the class action. Then thank you. So we'll see about this assistant use the assistant to call Google and go Why's my screen broken. Let them deal with this is going to be calling each other. Like in that movie. Right. The author that I now can reference you did good. Thank you. I referenced it pretty well. This is how silent trailers started, by the way was like in the movie Keith with person that referencing. And he says it I'm excited Boca, by the way, JP what you're going to be with Connor dela halogen. We're going to be doing silent trailers live for the first time live for the first time. We'll we'll give wanna go here in the little bit. The number one movie right now is she's AM. See this is what I get excited about what I know. They can do it. They can make a kid fly. And I'm like, okay, I'll show up to that. That's great on the future. Ravin assistant made fifty six million dollars. So far in America. What movies normally make nowadays? I don't know what gigantic range. Yeah. The the marvel movies will commonly make hundreds of millions of dollars. And then there's like most. Lower budget movies will cause I hate to say something like this like hearing. Oh, it may fifty six million dollars. I hate to follow that up. With is the good. Depends on how much you spend. Well, Zam Blair witch project is the most successful movie of all time. Now eighteen dollars that they paid the make it about a sim card and some fakes not well, they said like it only costs two hundred thousand I'm like for what a real map that you through over the bridge from what its woods rule those trees. Did you buy the tenth from where the government buys tents? None of you had a tenth what cost a fucking thing. Honestly, it says so mad at this movie dumbest thing and everybody's playing a game. Like, well, smart person said they like it. Then I liked it too. It's the dumbest thing I agree with you. When I I thought I didn't hear anything about it. So I wasn't sure if it was real or not, and it looked really real. And when I found that it was fake. I was like that was such a boring movie. I mean, you got me board of the movie in hindsight. Like, I enjoyed myself. And then took it back. Suzanne is reported to have a much cheaper budget than most superhero movie. At only ninety one hundred million dollars, usually a superhero film films about one hundred fifty million. It has made six million in the I mech screens, by the way. A scam with MAC if you want speak on get a regular movie ticket sit closer. Oh, go ahead. Disagree with you there. I don't know. I see everybody. Whether it's take whether it's a regular saying the worst seats better all sit in the back. TD? Right. You sit in the fifth row or so full. Okay. No. That's nope. That's the ramblings of crazy USA towards towards the back all the way in the back. That's stupid mid. So my head is at the middle level of the screen. I appreciate that JP sits in the back because both of you mother fuckers too tall for the theater also community service twelve that's different that sweet. That with you ever sick around like for one of those marvel movies, obviously, because they always have the post traded scene or whatever the credits fucking long because they have nine thousand people who worked on it. Like, it just got me thinking if we knew how much work went into like our favorite movies and TV show would be like. Oh, no. That's that's fine. You don't have to do that. Like. It's not worth it. I'll just go read a book or something, but way too much work surprise when you see the credits that long I'm like, it's it was only twenty dollars. It's not a month's pay. Every superhero together, they could charge two hundred bucks pay opening weekend. While I'm reading about adventures that they they they're selling tickets now doesn't come out until the middle of April. And. Sites couldn't handle it. Wow. And they couldn't movie AMC vendors and their adventures the sequel where all of them, right? Yes. Now, you're the hammer of wizards whenever the puck. This is a vendor's. Did we really kill all the superheroes of injures birth canal? Title to right. So it's like oh for it. Worked for you guys. The first time types in right? There wasn't a vendor's. There's a couple of vendors. This is part two of a story. Where supposedly everybody dies, even though you know, there's a new Spiderman movie is dead called endgame. So you know, it will definitely be the last super. We'll make any more tickets for vendors and game are so hot resellers demanding thousands of dollars with a pair of tickets going to New Jersey super fans for fifteen thousand dollars for what for what for for what you actually can picture. Those guys though, no exactly what they look like. Based on information, you turn into superhero in are in the movie, you get the honest to goodness iron man suit, and you can fly the vendors. One of the biggest franchises of all time. The cliffhanger ending to Infinity ward, no doubt contributed to the hype opening weekend sold out quickly crashed AMC fandango sites. Let's see fifty percent sales more than the the record holder that was Star Wars the force awakens when don't they pay fifteen thousand dollars for thirty. No what happens in the movie, I could spoil it right now for all your listeners, December fly. So you know, how like at the end of Infinity war like half of the people in existence all get like blinked out of existence. They all died evaporate. The new movie part of it takes place in heaven. The new members of the they meet up with like how they meet up with new cast members. Yeah. God jesus. Larry, they're all in it. That too much of a spoiler kit. Say okay, like whenever the superheroes. Fight each other because they're morons somebody bumps the hulk, and he's like, I must kill my best friend, captain America. But they all had the same powers like Thors a God, you know, the hawks from earth. But somehow when they fight everything clashes exactly like God evenly match. Right. Does God have the same powers as a flash to go at it. There are more than four hundred fifty listings on EBay for endgame tickets. And while many are one hundred dollars or less. Some are a lot more. There's a ticket to a showing at regal here in New York seven thousand five hundred dollars eight thirty AM movie. Okay. Here's what I wanna do Goto eight thirty thing and just say Hello to that guy. Interest interview him just liar ticket to another movie then sneak into that showing paid eighteen dollars. All my God. You know, okay. They have armed guards in the that. It's like it's more fortified than the Trump towers in New York who. Who online would rather have sex than go watch this movie right now at eight thirty in the morning, so far this why you think I'm repressed is because I went to that so far very few tickets have actually sold for the huge amounts. But at least one fan in New Jersey has the mean stinging appeared tickets for fifteen thousand dollars, but. I just yeah. It's probably like Bon jovi's nerd kid. Is like just a weird look in. But I wanna believe that it's someone who can afford it. Who's like fifteen thousand dollars is just an hour's worth of work. And it's not a big deal in words, making Downey junior. So you like to be with the fans, I'm one of the people. Sarkin afford it. No problem. I just forgot what they tickets were on sale. Yup. Knuckled premier. But isn't it a lot of times? It's the people who can't afford it who it's just this experience is so meaningful Evers their entire lives. Just this one experienced. Yeah. Yeah. That's that's hard. Someone who went to college. I can relate. Suckered into I spent fifteen thousand dollars some some of those Hooper. Here's better be bed. Vol of it one or two they have to be very upset easier degree at all anymore. No now, you are fine in some tangential way. I guess I could be using it because it's like what was it? My degrees in history. Okay. So there's no like direct use for that. But there's also as we keep living in the future. Right. You live in the time keeps moving forward and I keep banking onto go back. So it's not going to have every ten repeats. But I don't know, you know, and you learn from what the quotas, but planning with a history degree law school. Okay. Really? Any other ideas and things he might do so history. What kind of law, then I really didn't have that clear of a plan. I was just like, oh, I guess I'll be legit human being if I go to law school, so and then I took the hats, and I was like, maybe I won't go. But it's like there's also that theory about college where it's like, signaling. It's called like the signal where you like the fact that you got a math degree or something doesn't mean that you're gonna get a job in mathematics. But it's signals to like, you know, bloom brothers or something that they can hire you, and you're going to be like smart, you're gonna be capable of learning learning things brain works mathematical way, which could be used in other systems sell the yet. That's a bad example that I gave us differ finance weren't. You finance those in banking. I almost feel like finances stronger. I worked in just a cubicle didn't have that important of job. What does that mean? It was because when people say finance they're working on like a trading desk or something pick tuna fund. I mean that you're helping that big of a douchebag. But no, you're helping me get a new pin? Not even like in such an obscure back office job that no one knows what I did whenever I tell them not even your vice my boss, any of us barely knew what we were doing. Well, where are you? Do I was working in? Economic sanctions compliance? Also. On right nine if I if I went into detail. Everyone who listens to this podcast tried it off right away. But going back to your history, airing if you had to say what best thing that happened in history. Best thing having history. January twenty four th nineteen eighty nine was born be Ted Bundy was executed maybe the greatest trade the universe. Every history. Oh, now, like, some of your history jokes are coming into my mind. You know, I see JP very often of too many cokes. Hashtag too many cooks show her start boost didn't been meeting a few keys in the girl listeners in the audience. I say hi before. And after we always smoke so catches their anyway JP does that not me speaking on stage? By the way this. It's not close to the end of the month. Right when cops need to make their quotas. Right. Okay. Okay. Decriminalized? We're good. This constantly thinking, I'm going to get in trouble. I really gotta to look up. This word means decriminalized. What are you worried? If like Jesse smollet not guilty. What are you worried about will happen? If they catch me smoking you too many awards. Fuck you talking about the worst. That can happen is I get a ticket tickets nowadays. Don't but isn't one ticket vendors people paying thousands of dollars. You. So let's say at most it's one hundred twenty or something like that dollars. Let's say it's two hundred dollars. I've been smoking on the street for years now. One ticket is gonna be okay. Good ratio right bowl times. Especially because I'm not getting in trouble. Like, there's no mckelway keep his. You know who else is worried like that about me. My mother poet on talk to because it's ridiculous. Silence of choice by law a half to talk with you. That's for one hour. Yeah. No hem starts crying over getting the ticket. And I go well take about it. It's worth it one ticket. And I learned this math from you. I learned this from you, and did you cry when you go jumping the turnstile or not? You did debate about some point what I want to listen to realize that this podcast is just to Google assistant. The whole time. Sure. But it is. It is funny that these there's that. There's the avengers. I remember when I saw it. Maybe question when we're smoking on the street when I pass it to t- what you were looking around you nervous while you're smoking. No. Because now we're at a time where this whole city smoking, the actual streets are stem, literally smoking themselves so now, but it's just funny. How for you are, but you will be lucky Jackson. We. Time and place. So that was funny somebody that doesn't know the law you ever get not busted by Cosby ever. Get busted by someone who's just an arc of a person. Now, people tend to try to be like extra cooler. That's why New York City is cool like that. Because a couple of times in the suburbs. Then busted by just like some person who's walking around. Like, I was at my Buddy's house in suburban New Jersey. When college in some like his dad, but the friends of friends dad came around the corner, we were like on a quiet dark street not near anyone any walked up as what we were smoking. What he is doing. We were just sitting there like hanging out and he's like. In college like nineteen twenty. And then he's like get it out of the neighborhood. Not in my neighborhood. What a tough guy. Well, here they mostly go like that smells good. I'm like, yes. Very cool. I'm aware of what Reid is -actly. Exactly. Like, I know. I somebody smoking some stuff that movie speaking of our VIP program. There's a new episode with him the shit. My father in law says and your ex father in law's talking about when he was smoking car. And obviously this this decades ago in a different time, and it's bad news. So the cops are coming to his car and him and his friends my Ford model, right? They start eating the joints. It's not like you undo the window and you ate all the smoke to. It's coming out as you're talking. Bad as he was doing acid on a daily basis before it was even illegal and threw it being illegal is the officers like what are you up to you? Look like you were just in a nine poking on. Nothing. Nothing much. It's pretty scary. 'cause they were locking people up for a long time for that would say, so I would say so anyway, I was going to say I remember watching avengers Infinity war and all these super heroes start Evaporating, they're dead. And I got excited when the first two died, and I'm like, yeah. Are you fucking kidding me? Is darn then Spiderman dies, and I said out loud. A fuck you because there's no way that a little kid all these people keep dying. I'm like, oh, they're all dead. It's like, you know, Judy Homer Simpson. People onto via map rating woman's giving a blowjob pillow. Smoke comes on her mouth. The they just made me think of the breakfast club. Is that the one where it's like or where it's like you're suspended for a week. Make it a year making. That's what I'm like. I'm like ten they're all Superman's dead at make them all bed who cares? Like, you mess with the bull. I mean, all the people from. Guardians of the galaxy extended university all the people dying. Austin powers dies, but curbing the galaxy died, but guess what guarding the galaxy three. So that's gonna be interesting that none of them are in it. I'm still at the breakfast club reference because that scene gave me so much anxiety because I was like fuck this fucking principle guy. Like, yeah. Definitely L him. And I'm like, no don't yell at him. You're getting more shit. And it's like, you know, what totally worth it. You're bad ass. Don't even show up. All he's going to get you in trouble. You're gonna get kicked out of school. What are you doing in school? Anyway, just fucking speak your mind, and then you'll be that guy, and that's cool. So I had some trouble watching that movie. Do you remember some time ago, we reported that James Gunn, he directed the first two gardens of the galaxies? He was fired from or said, he couldn't do it. The third one because of old Tweety had joking about pedophilia and ripe and the entire cast. And crew said, hey, we know this guy's a good person. Learn Bryan singer mid four movies in the. Time that he was suspending friends actually fucking children. And it was it was like a decade before. I don't wanna exaggerate the time. But it was like ten years before the twist or something like that. Yeah. Yeah. While they said, you know, what people are standing up for you. You seem contrite. We're going to let you direct the new movie angles. Okay. Unless it's a trick. Because there is no moving they're all dead. Dating. Okay. Remember reading tweets or you reading them to me. And I remember saying this was ten years ago. We were saying a lot of different things and also his jokes will in funny. So really, it was just not funny, which means you end up being either racist or pedophilia if whatever humor in those never go. Well, yeah. Those just make you seem like an answer. Fired from like this massive. I'm always learning and will continue to work at being the best human being I can be I deeply appreciate Disney's decision. And I'm excited to continue making films that investigate the ties of love that bind the soul through children. April fools. It was another pedophilia joke. The New York Times says gun directed the first two guardians of the galaxy. The first one was amazing the second goofy. Af okay. Who said that New York Times many people who have fallen my career? I know when I started following my career. No, when I started I've you'd myself as a provocateur making movies and telling jokes that were outrageous fuck, this guy, actually, never mind. Reversing course, a lot of people viewed me provocateur. The tweet was busy tonight. Fucking kids provocateur. Pretty pretty good job as I haven't publicly many times, and I've developed as a person so has my work and my humor and the past. I've apologized for humor of mine that hurt people getting really boring to be honest. And I'm like kinda on this guy side enough to not give shit. Like that's as much of on your side is like you'd be with his garbage. Who cares? But like this is so floral. Yeah. That'd be great. If you just devoted a few more senses to talking about how developed a sense of humor is. I've grown actually thing. I'm quite humorous. You trust me because nobody lets me go on Twitter to prove it. But believe me, my friends and family. No. Yeah. I'm so sick of that. What's that show where everyone wears the red capes in Marsha Belsky? Did a thing on it though. Still. Yeah. I don't wanna watch that show because I am so sick of everybody fucking us. Like, I'm just like. Oh, yeah. Let me watch that all the actual show. You mean? Yeah. I saw the musical. It's fantastic. But you know. On the rooftop bar coming out. Yeah. Yeah. That shows doing really really well follow Marsha Belsky JP easier. But would follow me? On social media about me. Let's do around the sound trailers. Yes. So of course, we're playing with you can get tickets keeping the girl dot com slash tickets or keeping the girl com slash birthday. Whatever you like we'll see behind the scenes what you want with them. It's always funny to me when you know, a commercial gives out like to dot coms, but they're gonna say place. What are you doing? I know as I was saying like he's about the murder. Okay. So of course, Keith you're going to have a partner cushioned Finnegan and JP is going to have Connor as as his partner. Do you think j Connor will help you or hurt you gonna help? All right. But I mean as long as it's as long as it's four white Deutz stage talking about, and it's all going to go. Okay. Just four why do? Somewhat different generations. Talking. So we have respected eight white thumbs. So I'm gonna be giving people John Ross and Keith and question will never get to pick which which list it's going to be picked from. I asked people for we started the show what kind of John where he would be into. He said seven o'clock. Okay. Could been better. Okay. So he said, you're you're fired from gardens galaxy four. You know what fair, and I won't even give you a floral apology. So this is all having to do with sports that being said who knows what that means. I ready from those no sports either. The movie choices it's like V hours. They had to the Gulf game on for two minutes on the TV. Yes. Yes. Are you ready nine hundred ninety eight here we go. The phone preview has been proved for blah, blah, blah. On. Touchstone pictures, there's somebody walking through dark holler into a scores. I'm going. Cheinal gorno? I tried to save five different words at once to get them all home. He just got hit with a football that same guy that was going through. He's waterboy. Yes. I was thinking that too. That's not gonna help you out case. You don't do thinking. That's now never have point. It's one zero zero. Here we go. All right and starting two thousand to hell con S K. It is an Indian wedding traditional Indian wedding. Wow. While out John Rowe today. Too bad. None of these will be able to be on the actual. I'm burning. Everybody's actually Zola tramp. Say which ones we wanna do practice episodes. I didn't get any sound. Oh, brother. I can repeat any of the ones that have ever been done in silent trailers before occur. Bend, like Beckham present sort of been been. Okay. They're in a park, this guy and girl he's wearing a jacket like two thousand five. They're just walking and talking the they might be on a day. But they don't seem happy about it. She's very famous Twentieth Century, Fox. Now he's coming in with flowers. They're laughing at Niagara, Falls or something. It's a city she's working out with her friends. She's now in an office. Very busy. Five and some guy comes in. Now, she's working out again with your friends looks like it's a comedy because that's how they always like situate these comedy scenes now, they're at a party, everyone speaking very sarcastic. Leo. He's a very big sports fan. He had sports paraphernalia all over he's asking her to maybe man. T p. Jimmy fallon. I remember that movie. You did have me on your show. Holy keith. Pam. Work cut out for him. Yeah. Wow. JP has make you feel credible. Wow. I'm so disappointed in key no-one. Remember that movie? I because Jimmy Fallon is from New York. I think he's been a Yankee fan his whole life and he plays the Red Sox. Can he act like he likes different baseball team? If you just wanted to do a Boston accent holy shit. L was he doing a Boston accent? Maybe I mean JP on your show Jamaica. At that. Keith you can failed miserably like three zero. He's a kiss sweep warm. I going to do humiliated before. Wow. I mean, Keith you of your stand-up taping. So maybe you're focused on that. No. I'm busy with other things in the back of my head. What about what are some of the details about the state what's going on? Where's it going to happen? So the natural. So I on Saturday this Saturday is when all this stuff happens Saturday were having little launch party, a barbecue often, the info, and then Sunday, we're having to back to back game shows, you can't say that and silent trailers and the day after that Keith is report is recording his sixteenth album on his birthday once again. Keeping the girl that com slash birthday or slash tickets. All the information is in our social media. So it's easy to find JP work. And we find you other than this Sunday at the gutter bar on Twitter at Jp underscore mcdade. It's where I post most of my stuff or on Instagram at mcdade, baby. John.

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David DeFrancis: Your IT Challenges with Off-Boarding Start with Improper On-Boarding

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David DeFrancis: Your IT Challenges with Off-Boarding Start with Improper On-Boarding

"This is the higher power radio show before we get started. Let's take care of little housekeeping. Traditional resumes and interviews can be biased and subjective leading you to overlook high potential talent. Who didn't have the perfect resume or cookie cutter background uncover that hint potential learn more at Criteria Corp Dot Com? That's CRI CR. He DOT com most advanced recruiting techniques. Land the most desirable talent your company towards a massive success. This is the higher power radio. Show Rick Girard. The problem with off boarding is improper on boarding. The vast majority of companies still do not have any policy in place to support work from home so as the majority of companies have switched from remote work plan to implement this new system going forward companies need to understand how to make effective switch that will align their company goals with the business development strategy. I'm Rick Girardin. Welcome to the Higher Power Radio Show. Our show is designed to help entrepreneurs and hiring managers. Avoid costly hurry. Mistakes by identifying specific problem in providing improven enable your company to win the right hire. We share insights from top performing rebel entrepreneurs disruptors and industry experts like our guest today. Mr David de Francis. David is the CEO of proactive now. David started his first computer consulting business in one thousand nine hundred ninety eight and launched. It proactive in two thousand fifteen. You notice a need. For Security and process in small to medium. Sized businesses was completely under served so he started up the company to help and serve that market in a market. That it's much needed. Which is what makes David the perfect expert for today's topic. David welcome to the higher power. Radio show thanks RIK. Thanks for having me appreciate that. It's a pleasure to have you so we're going to cover a few things today. We're GONNA talk about on boarding and off boarding employees in reference to sit in policies or remote work especially in today's environment and bring your own device plan. Sounds like a plan. We got a bunch to chew today. Right yeah got quite extensive. Note all right so. Let's talk about what today's challenges are win successfully on boarding and off boarding a new person. Yeah thanks Rick. I appreciate that just like to take a moment to say. Thanks for having me on the show. Much appreciate no. I've known rick for Jesus five years now I believe we keep talking about coming together on the show and for whatever reason the last being reasons you keep blowing me off not purposely. Yeah thank you. Thank you actually. The last time we were scheduled to be on the together it was right before cove and right before Cova and it was the day before at home order happened. We're kind of scrambling. And then our ticket load went to. I think three fold because of the covert all of a sudden. Everybody wanted to work remotely. It's kind of a great segue into what we're going to be talking about the day because when we originally created these notes we're GONNA be talking about. Byod bring your own device. Work from home policy and remote access and with Kovic is a perfect opportunity to do so. Thank you absolutely all right. So what are the challenges? Today companies face number one challenge is most companies. Do not have an on boarding off boarding chocolate first and foremost. They may have an boarding checklist with hr but not with regard to it. And that's extremely important because as you know if you're headed to computer and it doesn't have anything on it. You're not sure exactly what to do. There's not an expectation. Senator what you can and cannot do with sure. I believe that there's a lot of companies that don't have policies remotely close especially start-ups it's kind of like well just connect your advice and let's see what happens especially with. Dart's we say that a lot typically because of budget constraints. They don't have a budget for it or devices in that sense so the Bring your computer on connect to g mail officer sixty five or whatever the have and get to work and do the best you can. But as companies mature you need to have these policies put in place especially from. Hr Stamp do you think he should do it before you even get started? I think you should but we see typically is not that well. Yeah so change it. Why not be that much? Further ahead of the curve. I'm a big proponent of advocating creating checklist policies before you even onboard. Your I employ all right. So let's talk about policy. What policies need to be in place? First and foremost there should be an acceptable use policy. An acceptable use policy is what's expectation of what that company owned device should be used for what applications should be accessed. What websites are inserted acceptable? And you can use this device where you can use the device. Okay with that. Include personal absolutely again. There's no right or wrong answer for this. But for instance Kenan employees access to their personal email on a company owned device can access their personal banking social media etc can access their own. Google drive you start thinking about all of those different applications. It opens up your company for a data breach rather easily. Okay so the way I see it. There's two different scenarios that come into play one. You have company owned devices which is usually a company. That's got some money. They're able to buy devices for their people and effectively keep out separated. Then the second part you have which most startups fall under that category is they will actually let you use your own device. Connect to everything and who knows what happens exactly. So what are the challenges there with? Bring your own device when you bring your own device and you connect to a network. Any data that has accessed that is company owned is now on a device that the company does not matter meaning that we don't have any policies wrapped round either that mobile device or that desktop laptop computer to protect that data in case of loss or theft. Kind of so. You're taking a chance that whatever information goes through the device. You're willing to lose absolutely yes. So we've got the policy the acceptable use for company. Quite mundane you have your being device. What else what's the other policy needs to be remote access policy? So it's a policy that defines how you can access company data when you're away from the office essentially that's what it is. I'll give you a couple of examples if you have a company owned device and you take that company owned device to a remote location and it's at your home. For instance. There should be a policy route around. Can you access it from home? Can you exit from an airport? Can you access it from a hotel? Kiosk how can you access company owned data? You asking these questions because there's not a one size fit all for this policy. So as to protect them. Nineteen to some random wireless network that somebody can hack into a absolutely. How do you protect? Do you put some sort of VPN or some other thing in place. That will protect that. You can't yeah absolutely you know. Sometimes you can do either a public. Vpn Or private VPN so all data is encrypted and goes to the corporate network. That's one way to do so. You could set it up so that you can restrict the data to be accessed from certain Ip addresses so for instance you may adopt a remote access policy that says you can access the company owned data from your home but you cannot go to an airport kiosk. You cannot connect to public Wifi and access data and you can even go one step further and say if you're not at home and you're at an airport kiosk or hotel then you have to. Then connect to a VPN. All the data is encrypted and secure. Okay perfect higher power radio show. I'm your host Richard for our podcast listeners. We're GONNA take a quick educational moment from our sponsors. Every employer wants to hire great people. But do you know what a great person looks like assessments give you a multidimensional view of the individual that you can never see from a resume alone. Not only can you make a more informed objective hiring decision but you can also uncover some hidden gems and your talent pool along the way the result higher performance term retention and a much stronger team learn more at Criteria Corp Dot Com. That's CRI T ARA. Crp DOT COM. Thanks for joining us today. Our guests is David Francis. He's the CEO of it proactive. And we're talking about creating policies and protecting your business especially through this remote work at home scenario that we're living in right now so we just talk a little bit about what we need to do or what needs to be done not talking about how to do it. Let's educate our audience. Most of our audience by the way David tend to be startup entrepreneurs. So let's help them. Put the structure in place that they need to in order for them to build their presence correctly. Absolutely what do we need to do to create a effective internal policy around remote access? Started the conversation. First and foremost having something is better than having so you want to start asking questions as far as all company data. How do you want that access? Are you going to enable your employees to access it on only corporate devices? Are you gonNA enable them to access? The personal can access it when they're at the office when the remotes are asking those kinds of questions. Which kinds of are we talking about? You have sensitive data and then you have opened in. We consider all data sensitive data sensitive. Now you can have confidential and you can have public but for the most part we just call it. A company owned data. In your opinion all company owned data should be secured. You ask the questions then why. Why don't you have the questions? You can wrap a certain amount around technology and the rest. You have to wraparound policy okay. Let's start there. Let's talk about the policy. I so now we're going to create what acceptable use policy I okay so how do we do that? The first question is is it going to be a company owned device or person device? And you probably want to kick off in two different policies ones. Byod policy on corporate devices is GonNa tie into acceptable use policy and what they can and cannot do or is expected on that policy when they are at the office and when they're remote and how they access that data in addition to that and this is going to be more. It managed is on the actual device is the data encrypted at rest meaning that is data on the hard drive. Conscripted is all communication between that device and the server whether it be an on premise server or cloud server or private cloud server is that data encrypted for some of US non techie people. Would we need to do to encrypt data? There's a number of different things you can do to encrypt the data. One of them is. If you're running windows you can use bit locker included essentially as long as you have a in for that computer and the computer is lost are not able to access that data the user account. Then you won't be able to access that data okay and just put it into the computer if you have an apple. There's also encryption there as well so that's important for both. Bring your own device and for the company on. Yes not with bring your own device. It's a little more complicated. Because typically hardware doesn't support the encryption or it's not managed by the company so the company doesn't have to remote access that device so the recommendation. We'd be then every single employee that you have. They should get their own. Company owned device absolutely yes to small cost in the grand scheme of hiring employees most do in the form of a laptop. What about when they connect their cell phones? So you usually have a mixed use policy right. Typically speaking we do have accused policy for the most part about ninety ninety five percents of our clients. They issued laptops and desktops to their employees. And then they'll give limited access to on their mobile devices. Typically speaking it's only email and with the email we can do is we can put that cell phone into what's called managed mode and then it gives us the ability to remove company data from that mobile device long as they sign a waiver that we can remove company data from their personal device if and when they were daily company at any time any time. Yeah okay so if you need to lock them out boom for whatever reason yes. So what needs to happen when this person starts? Let's talk about on boarding because we got in this conversation by the way because we were talking about how off boarding is such a problem and you as an it professional. See it all the time where you get those oche it calls. Somebody just laughed and we need to figure out how to lock them out and we need to do this that and the other thing. How many calls did you get a mock? You probably rely right. So most of our clients are managed services we have a relationship with them and when we first onboard them we put these policies in place so we typically don't have those conversations but there are some times especially with you. Know with a say for instance. Kobe nineteen happened. And there's a lot of terminations a lot of furloughing of employees. We had those conversations with our new clients because we hadn't had a chance to get in there and pretend route these policies around their environment. So you talking about checklist. You have a checklist for everything right. So you're GONNA policies and procedures checklist on boarding process and an operating process. Which is a checklist. Absolutely whether it's done in Excel spreadsheet a word document for us we actually create portals for all of our clients so that they can go in log in. And there's a checklist online for them. So they just essentially go in. There's a lot of foreign fields on radio buttons. They fell the information. It goes directly ticketing system. We have standard operating procedure documents at how to onboard an employee and then based on that on boarding everyone of these documents is specific for each client we take that document and then essentially reverse for affording so. There's talking about the on boarding checklist when these happened are typically speaking and again every bit different but typically speaking the first question we ask suicides the person's name last name email address images they prefer phone numbers etc is. We're GONNA create a Directory Service Account. This is security account whether it's through Google or through after sixty five on premise active directory. And I'M GONNA get into that but we make sure that that account is set up first and foremost and then of course we set their email account if it's G. Suite. We set up their would account officers sixty five access to their google. Drive or share point in most of our clients is what we. You're just creating a new account. It's a new company owned account so they have an existing on Microsoft account or personal Max Account. We don't use that and I've seen that like where people let them use their own private. Google count big mistake. Okay why is that a big stick because now you're commingling company data with their personal data boom boom next line of business applications whether it's quickbooks a cloud application that you use to do collaboration there's accounts and even setup and permissions applied to those accounts. So they can do their work effectively. Anything else file share. So if there's a on premise file server google drive or if it's officer sixty five share point they need to be given the appropriate permissions for those sites so they can access that data okay and this is all done on day one. This is done typically speaking before the computer we have to wrap all these policies around we have to discuss with the decision makers on what is going to look like when a new employee with a specific role comes into the organization before they're even interview you're defining the permissions and everything win. That role is written at the job description. Absolutely we want to create a security group that particular role and assigned permissions to that security group. And by the way this follows through with your interview process. This is actually a really important thing that if you've got a strong interview process and you onboard really weekly. That's not going to help you. It's certainly not going to help with retention not going to bode. Well no all right so then when somebody comes on. I assume that they signed something to say that they comply with all of the policies that you have in place. Yes at that point once. We go through the checklist getting everything that I talked about. Maybe even VPN access ore mobile device bringing on device. Or there's a mobile policy that needs to be put in place as well once or given all of these devices. They're expected to go through all the policies sign all the policies. Make sure that they're familiar with them. And then that point. They're able to log into their computer and work effectively. Okay so this is really important for entrepreneurs because a lot of entrepreneurs don't have an HR department who's taking care of this document it and you have to get in down. You have to make sure that people sign off on it. Otherwise you just run into a lot of problems when you're off poured. Yes if you don't get this done on day one and you decide to put it in effect a fifteen or thirty and they do something. That's in breach of your company policy. There's no recourse because you didn't give him the policy. You didn't give them the proper direction an expectation the beginning so you can actually set yourself up for a wet wrongful termination. If you lung go. They didn't know absolutely because if they're violating policy that they're not aware of then yes. You're absolutely setting yourself up for a wrongful termination suit. God forbid you have to get rid of him when he's happy so if you need to get rid of them in in today's mobile workforce especially with Covid nineteen going on you typically have to terminate somebody over Webex or zoom or teams or whatever may be and sometimes you have to do this. While they're using their company owned device so had he managed that that's a great question. How do you get your computer back? I didn't get computer back again. Typically speaking the value of the computers the last thing you're worried about because it's all the data that's more important so this is what we do day in and out is we make it so that we have access to that mobile device whether they're here in the office or if they're at home or even on an island somewhere in Fiji so you need some sort of manage application allow you to wipe out data. Absolutely yeah okay so you wipe the data. You're on the zoom. You let them go. You wipe the data right at that point yet. Didn't ask for the machine back whether you get the machine back or not. That is what it is really. It's not as big a concern. The most important thing is while you're doing the exit interview even if it's on a company owned device while the interview's going on be actively removing all company owned devices from their mobile device and their desktop or laptop. So you need to have a second person in their his wiping while you're talking yes and typically. It managed so hr is going to be doing determination while HR during the termination they coordinate with us typically to give it a lot of credit. So what if you're a CEO and your four-man shop and you've got to do it you're the CEO HR person and it's not a problem. What typically happens with us is the CEO or given resources. They'll reach out to us and say word terminating. This particular employee on this date. We need to coordinate afford them. So we'll do. We will set a resource aside wild. They're doing that termination. They will either send us an email or make a phone call to us and as they're doing the term we will start offering them. I have to do it myself too. I wipe first. Then let them go and then if you have to do it yourself and you don't have an it department like it Brockton. Yeah what you'd want to do is when they go into interview. Get all of the company owned data immediately possibly if you have the ability to the technical expertise disabled all the accounts right before you go into the exit interview and then take all the devices back and then change any passwords. They might have that are shared information. Yeah Okay Perfect. You want to have again. This is part of the checklist. You WanNa have before going into that meeting all right. We're getting a little close on time. Wet or two or three key takeaways. You can give the audience that can help them the complete into their business today. Well that went fast. Fight Super Pass goes by really quick And I didn't even cuss them. Are Darn it couple takeaways? First and foremost is start some policies even if they only have one or two items start three policies immediately an acceptable use policy a remote access policy and a bring your own device policy. Those are the three most important policies put in place immediately. The second is created on boarding checklist and do the same thing. Even if it's one or two items have a document that you can continue to add to as you onboard. People go through the checklist at anything that needs to be put in place. It's a living document off boarding. Make sure that you update that as well and also being sync with. Hr You want to make sure that we've been situation before. We want to mitigate this from happening is we should be or the. It department should be in sync with HR as far as when they're terminating. We should know that because we have to tell our internal team to give this person support or communicate within your organization like your executive team so they all know what's going on as well absolutely to we're out of time for today's show give thanks so much free time investments today and. I want to welcome you. The Higher Power Radio Community and the what would be the best way for members of our community reach him. As a matter of fact we actually have some of these policies as when you share those absolutely. Oh that'd be great so when you send them to us and we'll Lincoln and the show. Yeah so my email address just named David. Dav AT IT PROACTIVE DOT com. And you can send me an email just said that you requesting a template of the acceptable use policy or bring your own device policy or all of them and I'd be happy to send this over to. That would be amazing guys. Take advantage of that so i WanNa thank our listening audience for tuning this week's episode of Higher Power Quick Things to our team. Our Engineer Christopher Decker Producers Andrew Ballen and award. If you're listening to the podcast please subscribe review and share. We're listening we welcome your feedback. After all this shows for you you can join the Higher Power Radio Community at higher that's power. Pow ER radio or a DOT COM. You can drop me an email or stride search dot com tune in next week. Our guest is going to be J. 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Stephanie Paul: The Key to Hiring is Knowing Y.O.U. & Your Audience

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Stephanie Paul: The Key to Hiring is Knowing Y.O.U. & Your Audience

"This is the higher power radio show. Before we get started. Let's take care of little housekeeping. In today's world, a lot is changing the businesses that will successfully whether those changes are made up of people who are adaptable resilient and emotionally intelligent learn how to measure emotional intelligence to enable you organization to build stronger more resilient team checkout criteria, Corp. Dot Com. Recruiting techniques land the most desirable talent. Your company massive success. This is the higher power radio show. Rick Gerard. I'm Rick Girard and welcome to the Higher Power Radio. Show we help hiring managers win the right hires. We share insights from top rebel entrepreneurs, disruptors, and industry experts Allegra yesterday MS, Stephanie Paul, who is the founder and head of training and development of the Executive Story Teller Academy Stephanie Takes Great Pride In coaching developing executives, sales, team tech speakers, women in leadership, and all kinds of experts to become master. Communicators. In fact, she has a proven approach power emotional engaging presentations, which draws upon her years of rich diverse entertainment experience as she is a certified trainer using five science based assessments for behavior and communication using psychology and neuroscience, which is what makes Stephanie the perfect expert today's topic. Stephanie Welcome to the Higher Power Radio Show, today my God was at an introduction I know I probably need to take your class. Today we're going to discuss why communicating your story is so critical for your hiring process through the tenure of your employees plus we're going to provide a three step method for maximizing your communication plan today. Yes. You Look surprised I'm just listening all these things that we have no idea you're on the hot seat. Let's go. Let's talk about communication communicating effectively during an interview is usually riddled with assumptions. Bias and surface e-content rarely is communication deliberate and on purpose and I see this quite often with companies that I talked to in feedback that I get from potential employers or come in to interview the company. Would you agree or disagree with that? Absolutely agree with it. Good. Why people will spend money on an amazing stage in wonderful production or a really fancy slide dig and marketing team that kind of Arm Pre whatever blah blah blah, but they don't spend the time in the energy on listening to you and your behavior as an audience member and me showing up as the presenter or speaker or engage your of the audience member. What my behavior is not kind of things people sorta just roll out of bed in the morning and go and Do. You know what we're. There's hardly any preparation that goes into it and there's no plan as we all know when you fail to plan your plan to fill. Yeah. Thank you, Benjamin Franklin. And if you think you can you can, and if you think you can't you can't thank you. Fours are quotes. do or do not. There is no try that was Yoda. Okay what challenges do you see in your work with some customers as far as how they communicate how they tell their story, how they engage people in effectively communicate right like what are the issues you see there in regards to recruiting and things like that as well as for my clients, I see very similar things all the time because we're human beings we have biology, it's very similar I have a client of mine who is a doctorate in psychology criminal forensic psychologist we. Were going to court one day to see her on the stand and discuss away she showed up on the stand on the drive out there I say to her you know if we looked at human beings being big cats like lions and tigers, leopards and panthers and things like that. Have you ever seen a tiger with duck feet and she said not doesn't exist. So we're all some type of big cat of you know what I'm saying. So L. Biology as human beings. Fate. We do fall into categories of psychology and categories of behaviors according to the experts. There are over four thousand behaviors that we exhibit as human beings. If you WANNA, learn how to read them that might take some time regardless of the problem we have to communicate. So whether it's a job interview or recruitment or presentation, we have to communicate with our biology because that's what we have. Sure we're human so we have a brain and we have. Behaviors, we have listening and responding, and that's essentially what you should be looking at. This is freaking out about what you're GonNa say let's talk a little bit about that because I find that a lot of times when people go into an interview or they're engaging with their employees that they already have, they're not necessarily sharing who they are those lack of vulnerability. It's a lot about being transsexual getting the worked on and that's really it. Let's transition that two. Story because your story's important if I'm a CEO of a company, I don't really think anybody's too interested in the fact that we're my funding comes from how cool my product is I think they're more interested in me as a leader and what value I can bring to the table and how GonNa take that vision that we have to where we're destined to go, and it's just like Simon Synnex as which is people don't buy what you do how. You do it they buy why you do it. They buy into your Y, and so understanding a little bit about wear your why come Stroman, who you are and why decided to be here today what motivates you those are the kind of conversations you want to be having so that you can see if there's a connection there because people very tribal, they want to know, Oh, you've had that experience me too. So if you're not willing to be vulnerable and. Brown famous vulnerability speech on Ted talks it's very hard to connect to you. So we put up all these fronts thinking we have to be perfect and it's one hundred percent is people don't connect to your successes they connect to your Mrs they connect to the things that are maybe not perfect and so they go oh, I have had that experience too. So you story is really important in order to engage in connect to another person or audience so that we can see us similarities and we can decide whether we're going to be trouble and connected in that way. That's a great point. So being real is what you need to be able to bring out till point. These come out and say, Hey, I'm going through a divorce. My life is Shin exactly right exactly in the your things distract us and disturb us. For example, there's a lot of vitual meetings at the moment and I think a lot of people don't realize what actually distracts the brain that they might have going on in the background or they might get a little nervous. And Start Shuffling papers or moving a glass or whatever that is, and they're not focusing on the PITNEY. They talking to end of also noticed with a lot of the meetings that I've been involved in since covid people don't look in the barrel of the camera on your computer. They look at the person because we connect through is but we can't do that on A. Computer I can't look at your is if I'm looking at your face, I can look at your is if I'm looking down the barrel of the camera and that's how you want to start focusing on your virtual meetings so that people feel like they're being seen and looked at setting up virtual meetings where your camera is right above your means screen where you have the. Pictures is really important and not looking at the person's face looking at the camera. Then they feel like you're looking at them a funny story I did a video conversation with you the other day and you're like, where are you looking I? Run three monitors I have to sit up above and I'm running off my camera on my laptop you kept looking where are you looking? At. ME. And you're right. It probably was really distracting but I was looking at you and I was engaging with you but I just wasn't looking at you think about it from this perspective, you're being interviewed by maybe a recruiter or a sea of a company that could be hiring you their biology. You're not connecting to them because you're not looking down the barrel of the camera. Face on the screen. So we need to rethink the way we're looking at each other virtually 'cause as it doesn't connect emotionally without brains. That's a great point if you're looking for a job right now of interviews video interviews that's pretty much what most companies are doing. Yeah. If you're doing a video interview, have it on the screen where it looks like you're engaging with that person. So practice with your friends or what I having conversations looking down the barrel of the camera. That's a good boom moment. I like that. Yeah. We'll drop in on our. Okay. Let's flip it back to the company. Wise. It really important to the company that we focus more in on that piece I think it builds. Culture and people think I want to be involved in this culture coach is very important in today's world. One of my clients he's like I have to get off we were running out of time one day and he's like I've got a five o'clock happy hour with some of my colleagues on Zoom. Sir Weird to me but I get it but it is the coach pot of it and I think we we feel like we can be accepted and we can be vulnerable. It also means we can have some of those tough conversations if you can feel like you can connect to someone initial meetings in the hiring process you can probably Oh, I came later down the road I can stay rest my hand and have some input that kind of thing not. Just do my job I think the virtual happy hours which I've had experience with a couple of my clients that are virtual companies that have been doing it for years i. think that's such. A critical thing because we need to socialize we're tribal animals. We have to have that interaction. We have to know that we've community and support out there otherwise especially with covered right now people feel isolated and alone, and that is not healthy for biology in any way. Not at all, are you listening to the Higher Power Radio Show I'm rich Girardin for podcast listeners we're gonNA take a quick educational moment from our sponsors. Emotional intelligence has emerged as one of the most important qualities to look for in hiring talent today employees who are emotionally intelligent are empathetic understanding and able to motivate others to a higher level of success. It's no surprise. They also make great leaders you modify is the newest game based assessment for emotional intelligence and it's been tied to predictable outcomes like better interpersonal effectiveness collaboration and productivity learn more at Criteria Corp Dot. com. Check out. STRIDE SEARCH DOT com you'll find additional content and resources to help you land the strongest. Steffi Paul Stephanie is the founder and head of training and development for the Executive Storyteller Academy. Also, if her voice sounds familiar, she also the voice of higher power by the way. So much I know I think you're one hundred times, but I'm going to do it in public thanking you now that we know that the occasions importance, let's walk there. You have a methodology that you work through the you teach your clients that help them to do this. So let's put that into action working with my clients and my clients on all just speakers and Presenters and China's sometimes i. go into cultural stuff with organizations and build their culture and the way they communicate with each other and I discovered that after several years I was working backwards. We would look at the content in the speech or the slide Dick or the messaging or whatever that was I I was like but that doesn't make any difference what all that stuff is because at the end of the day if it's not delivered well and it's not received well, you may as well been just reciting a poem from Olympia Rhyme because we don't. Connect to the content say without the two components of view and ask the audience being looked after your audiences anybody that you're engaging you're talking to actually I've heard speaker said the content that you're right is not as important as the engagement that you have or that relationship you have with the audience the way I look at it as very simple if you've ever been to a wedding or a funeral or a very important gathering with maybe people are emotional about something and somebody gets up unprepared nor nights content nightside Dick. Nothing. Like that and get. Up and they say a few words and they take us on this emotional journey that through a story experience and we laugh and we cry and everyone's like Oh. My God that was so amazing I didn't even plan to speak and I kind of deal. It is the perfect example of why the audience and the Messenger of the two most important things what is seed and prepared is not necessarily important if those two things I'm there. So I work with the humane said, you know that's the WTO you? Yes an acronym for Y you, W E. Method now not. Even though I'm from New Zealand originally. So the why represents no yourself and I do a huge deep dive with my clients using the sciences in the neuro science and psychology on who they are and how they show, and then we look at their mindset and their belief system. We do a whole plethora of stuff around that the stick on wife for a minute Why do you need to know yourself? Why don't you just need to know your product and how to get things done because if you don't know yourself very well, you don't know how you a showing up. There's a thing called stimulus value, the psychology. Tomb very fancy term. How do I stimulate you? This is how do you value that stimulation I how we judge each other we judge each other and splits higgins very quickly. If I'm not dressed like you looking like you or whatever. Then maybe you're gonNA feel a certain way. We're not gonNA feel like tribal members. Those kind of things is super important. So how you choose to show up and it is a choice because you can walk through the door of your office or you're meeting in, you can choose joy or you have just got into a huge car accident had an argument with somebody who has no insurance and. You could bring it to the meeting with you because it's a residual emotional effects. But upset about the way we show up is a choice in if we haven't really done the wick to understand ourselves, it's very difficult to make those choices I feel like there's a lot of us that go through life not really understanding ourselves because we're so focused on work in getting the work done. When you're building company, your core values come down to who you are translates through to your culture, and here's another interesting thing which one hundred percent believe and I've heard a lot of behavioral expert said and psychologists that are in. And around this area that your values whether you know, the more not will depict your behavior and your behavior will therefore transition over to how I decide what I feel about you. So your actions do speak louder than your woods and whether you know you'll values or not they under ride your behaviors. So I she learned the civil years ago when I started working with Dr Betty Your Ebay and she wrote the book Hashtag Values and she was big on the speaking circuit reading her bulkin leaning all about values. You know I don't really know my true values and I had to drill down and figure out what they were. Down Yeah I have written down on my website to education with intercity service courage love and fun and I approach everything I do with those values. When you start with somebody I start with writing down what your values are and then what question why why is my value and what is important? Well, the other thing is, is some people think they the evaluate I've asked people? Do you know evaluation the shoreline? What are they? Trust love I mean they make it up out of thin air and I might do you behave that way every day do you bring that into everything that you do I recently started asking clients colleagues of Mine I said, do you think that I act upon my values? Do you think that shows up in my behavior and they're like absolutely it does I think it really helps us show. Up when we know what L. Values are, and if you just value money over everything else guess what you're going to be going after the Arrow I consistently and not really caring too much about people. But it'll show in your behavior translates to hire other people who have that same value. I have a client who does that he uses the sciences that I use to hire his tribal members. That's where I feel like a lot of assessments and everything are really good because when you're doing interviewing and it's a transactional process and you have a transactional model in your business as one hundred percent Roi driven that's a good thing because you can find people who are like. That's perfect. But when you're trying to build a culture and it's a little bit different, there's a little bit more touchy, feely, elementary it you really need to have interview process in place that brings forth the evidence and then use those tools to support E. Q. is a perfect example of their emotional intelligence. It translates to simplify the language from emotional quotient to emotional intelligence and you can raise it. You can work on it I feel like it's a hot buzzword and not a lot of people have it but they're look forward. It's interesting. I like to guess when my clients are doing the sciences I like to go beyond like this on the desk and the motivated. Might be there but motivators, you can't see their string inside internal and then E. Q. I can sometimes guess roughly what there might be if I know them really well. But when I, I did my E. Q. and start down that road before I got certified through a three sixty degrees, I don't know if you know what that is your explained our audience. So three sixty degrees as we in all your employees or your close colleagues or my contractors anybody who'd worked with me of significance head to answer anonymous questions about me it's terrifying and one of the things that came back and the training that I was doing was that I didn't have enough empathy and I was. Horrified I was absolutely horrified. So I went on this journey to raise my E. Q., my emotional intelligence and spent nine months can really hot I read a couple of books on it. I became super focused on it like I have a thing called driving the car, which means curiosities a C- a is awareness the other a is intercity in our is the real value. So when you WANNA shift or learn something new, you have to practice it get curious about it then get aware about what's going wrong because you've got to change it practice inauthentic behaviour cometh intech with the behavior, and then what's real value about it? Why is it valuable to shift or learn this new? Behavior or thing or whatever it is and that was accused for me. So to raise my cue, we've done the work on ourselves. Now we have an understanding of who we are. Where do we go next? We begin to understand US audience the par- It stands for US audience. So once you understand yourself better and it's a work in progress ladies and gentlemen it's not something that's GonNa. Happen. Overnight like I think we can always improve on where we're at and now neurosciences told us that New York City continues to grow and change until the day we die. So we can work on all kinds of fabulous things we don't just give up when we turn fifty. Thank God. We need to understand other people's behaviors. We need to be able to read those behaviors we need to have to listen and really respond to what audiences giving us back to that. We know that we're actually giving a message to the audience wants to receive or if not shift gears a little bit I learned that in stand up to half an hour stand up comedy they say you've gotTa, have at least an hour to an hour and a half of material so that if the audience is like we're not going with, that's not very funny. You can shift gears and go you don't. Want to joke about epilepsy. Okay. We'll talk about bears in the woods. Same thing you want to have to shift gears with your audience like if I see something in you were on my, he's not going with me or he doesn't trust me or he doesn't value. This I've got to listen for a is not working for you wrong not maybe as blatant blunt that but I need to shift with you answer that query or that issue that you're having, you're going to show it. If not on your face on your body, you pay attention to people's body language in their face still. Board, they're fine. We'll tell you when they're busy. Logically you might yawn or you might do something you might start leaning back. There's a lot of things that happen in a conversation that make you he's checking out. Well, according to join of our he was an FBI agent for thirty isn't a behavioral expert I've got three of his books and I was on a training of his beck in February. Joining is actually cool in your blood. It's not meaning that you're bored. So you shouldn't take somebody winning as I've been schooled contrary to popular belief A. Lot of people think that this is closed off behavior, but it's actually comfort behaviour. So he's got a wonderful way to express human behavior humans are either in comfort or discomfort, but their brains are always and fear assisting risk, and if you understand that you either looking for comfortable behavior or discomfort behavior doesn't make sense when you're interviewing somebody in your assessing your person, who is your audience, which should you be looking for? Well, first of all, I think you want to make whoever's coming into the room as comfortable as possible so that they can feel comfortable. Enough to come out and be vulnerable and tell this story and feel they can connect with you and that means things like you don't necessarily want to have a disc between the two of you. If you are meeting in person, you want to maybe have a couch and a chair and you sit down and a little bit more informal disc in between you as a barrier. If you're giving a speech with a podium, get rid of the podium, you don't want a barrier between you and the audience. So I guess if it's a virtual meeting things like. Just showing up on time treating the person is if you really care about the time that you're giving them for the interview, there's nothing worse than someone you've never met before being late in the intriguing you like you're just a little play even if you are a CEO and you are interviewing for someone, make them comfortable people who go to interview they want to buy into that person you don't WanNa. Turn it into an inquisition you want people to be bought in engaged with you because those are the people are going to perform best in your environment. I hate that when I hear somebody well, you know I sit there and grill him for an hour. Why would you grill somebody? You're putting somebody in fear so you're probably not getting an accurate picture of whether or not that person's going to be able to thrive in your environment whether or not they're going to react to your fear. Yeah. It was actually funny I was reading Mark Bowden's book this. Morning it's how to tame the primitive brain twenty eight days because he's going to be one of my guests. So my women are in the book he talks about if you've got an email, the subject title was like I want to talk to tomorrow at three thirty and that's the brain. Suddenly guys will mind this show the Broncos, Oh, my God I'm in trouble Wyman trouble what have I done wrong. To I'm going to the principal's office this particular time in our lives with covert and everything the brain does not like open ended situations. It likes closure it likes to know what's coming Knicks Lebron will always finish your story for you. If you don't finish it, believe me what's going on right now we don't know what tomorrow holds. We don't know what's coming next. We don't know what the new normal. is so everybody's freaking out because allergy doesn't have an answer. So it's the same thing. So you want to sit up so that somebody feels comfortable walking into that environment. So they kind of have an idea of where it's going to go what can you pre give them before that meeting so that it can be clear comfortable and go smoothly. Let's go to really quickly because we're running low on time. Oh would be the overall objective I consider that the content. So what even at content is whatever that story you WanNa tell you to write it out make it sing so it's not awfully off off onto tangents and things like that. If you have to prepare a document, you know make it sankt, make it deliver the information that you need but also make an emotional because we make decisions. One hundred percent emotional information comes into your limbic brain goes over to neo CORTEX. The NEO CORTEX is. This is logical idea. But how do I feel about that goes back to the LIMBIC Brian so until you make a decision, your limbic brain is heavily involved with your near Cortex making that decision emotionally regardless of what it is that sounds really interesting super complex I have to read about the neo cortex. Now, thank you what are two or three K. takeaways the give the audience they can plug into their business today, I. Think whatever form of communication that you approach with its virtual meeting with a slide Dick with whatever that is always chicken in nine yourself I know how you want to show up for results that you want to achieve understand the behavior Eric if you wanNA bring. Joy into the room. Make sure that you a super joyous before you walk into that room. If you want everybody to be happy at the end of the meeting, make sure that you're happy and you're smiling we're not talking about the negative stuff or whatever that is. So understand yourself and understand how you going to deliver whatever they messages the and understand your audience and know where you want to take them, and then listen to them through the journey of the conversation, and then figure out what you want to say with that. We're just about time for today's show Steffi thanks so much for your time investment today and I want to welcome you to the higher power radio community again. 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211 - It Was My Birthday, Forensic Files!

My Favorite Murder with Karen Kilgariff and Georgia Hardstark

1:25:20 hr | 9 months ago

211 - It Was My Birthday, Forensic Files!

"This is exactly right. Hello to my favorite murder. That's Georgia hard star. That's Karen Caldera. It should be clear. Everything's the same. Everything's different right now with this week. Yes name five examples of which one you're talking for example first of all well for example. I can't even something we're living in a world now. This is different. Where new episodes of forensic files the sounds a commercial? But it's not right. This is just from the heart. It's from the heart. This is going straight out to you from us. That's right forensic files to electric was out now on H. Elan that's right. We are not being paid to do this. We have no we have. We've done commercial. We have but we also were living in as they should pay us. I mean we're like Kendall Jenner and Pepsi where we're just living. We're not just talking about we are we are aspirational television in Q. Watchers Oh did you see yeah how was it? It's good I think they. They trim some fat from like the which I like. I love value. Do good way though. Or it's not like they take you for you know. He likes steak. Usually were granted. Birthday forensic file you josh. How dare you dare you ruin another birthday? You said it'll be different this time around that it would be different. You know examples about different. I was excited to be electric. 'cause there'd be a we're off to a start So kind of more concise. Yeah I'll say that all right confidently but still doing the same thing like when I go to bed tonight. That can throw that on absolutely and just be rocked to sleep. Thought we were watching it on the couch because I feel like I usually watch it in the hotel room and nice big fat bed. Yeah I was almost like maybe we should get an. I'm really anti TV. And Bedroom. As I do need one just to watch forensic files. I wonder if that's because you read the same funkaway book I did in two thousand eight now. It just makes me sad okay. Yeah to hospital to like dating a guy with a mattress on the floor and we have to watch it in his room. He has his roommates are out or is he lives with his parents. Let's say you know it's that scene. He's constantly going down. My Dad's GonNa get mad right or he turns it too loud and falls asleep. Then if you try to turn it off he's goes lodging that you will. Yeah that for some reminds me of the one time in my terrible twenties still drinking so I must of his owner twenty seven and I would guess. I was twenty five K. Party at my age terrible terrible time. It'd be really difficult especially when you're taking speed. Everything's going too fast and we'd a party of my house and I was so kind of wired. They couldn't really get anything done when I remember going in and putting on my scare for literally an hourly I couldn't. I couldn't do forward motion do next step. No I was like caught up very nervous. Very like who's going to come and I was excited because this person was going to be there and when I went to clean my room which was like the last thing I did. I just picked up all the clothes on the floor which there are plenty because at a shopping addiction at the time to replace my food addiction and supplemented by my speed addiction. You gotTA supplements at Your Okay. Right if you don't if you're not working on one actively move on to the other ones. There's plenty of substance abuse. I took all the clothes on my floor through them in the closet and it made a stack that was literally four feet high of a like a solid mass of clothes. And then I just shut the door. It smell like cigarettes to imagine cetera. Everything smells like your clothes. It was like mid ninety everything smelled like Nirvana and depression commercialized depression so at one point during the party everyone was in my room and I was like this is the life. I'm popular like having literally there's like Acoustic Guitar Guide for my friend. Danny SA- BIOS shout out Wisconsin and my friend Laura Milligan gets up to leave and she opens the closet door. She'd hidden. Her person closet is not a party filled with people. She knew in their cheap through her purse in my closet so in front of everyone opens the wall of laundry. Picks up her purse off the top of it. And then I'll talk. That's just like you so hilarious. They're rooms look like those people they're true. That's what made me think of it. It was like such a that. Time is such a time of undone. Laundry grossest way to live. I'm still there. Might Garages haunted. And I don't like going own just kind of like. Oh the laundry. When Vince gets home I don't want to go in there. Yeah that's well. Garages are kind of creepy and dark. Do you not have good lighting out there. No it's an old like grant like original. La Grandma like it hasn't been touched since the forties except by like motor oil and like every kind of paint that's ever been used in the house from the since the one thousand nine hundred eighty s is in there and it's bucket says like what room it was fun. It's just like it's scary. Yes ancient. It's ancient. I guess I guess you can pick stuff like that. I don't know I mean we could go over there and we can put up some posters black late poster yet. She going to get that thing. The thing it'll be are hanging out. Well let's out in the garage and turned it into your she-she's garage beer. Sometimes and it's pretty legit that's open. The garage. Brought us both camping chairs and we just sit out there and you got a refrigerator for the garage. It was just something homeowners do that I had never experienced right and we just sit and drink. Mgd unlike the neighbors walk by do they must be airbnb because these people but better now live in our neighborhood. Garage Beers is really making my heart. Grow ch three times larger garage beer. That's cold relationship goals. And we have a perfectly nice deck with a view recipient of fucking Nag Arosh. Fucking cobweb spider webs everywhere. Yes you're making it your own rash. There's trash it's for trump. Did you ever watch the show I think it was. What was the one where everyone confronts people about their addictions? Oh intervention obsessed. Did you ever see the one that the lady that was addicted to pills and she would sit in the garage in her house? Smoking chain smoking because she wasn't allowed to inside the house. Why even come in the House? Out there literally. She was only ever out sitting in this lawn chair in the garage and her children would come out to talk to her and her one son was like super gt like kind of weepy all the time just because his mom was never inside the house and they finally got it. Okay we have. Yes the thing. I don't yeah that's true. It's such a good show in. It's that thing where that's how it is especially these days with pills and as we've all learned with the Fucking Oxycontin Lia like deluge on this country. It's so easy to get pills to live in a pill world and to be like they're prescribed to me. Yeah it's you know I'm allowed to take as which I get is fucking crazy back pain. Sure and also you need solutions for immediate awful problems and then when they turn into other problems you just started adapting she was. I identified with her so much of like I don't need to do one thing and then she couldn't get out of that chair Amazing it's yeah garage. Beers is the polar you guys are doing the opposite Internet's right. Sorry I brought it up. No Speaking of I don't know close close closet. They took your closet. That's right like cigarettes. Sure we're having a fifty percent off lots of merge sale because it all smells like cigarettes. We accidentally smoked unaware. There's just like shit tenants shirts. That are fifteen bucks. There's everything's on like a lot of great stuff's on sale is at my favorite murder dot com. Just go to shop go there and get this stuff. And then we'll make new stuff and you can have that other stuff and it'll be continuous cycle. It's to make room for new March that we're GONNA create which is exciting. That's if you feel like doing that do it. It's not you know the world. Hey Hey man. Hey man it's chill piece. Whatever I have this tweet here from a listener named Chelsea Sanders at Kelly Blair on twitter. She wrote in my favorite murder. I Made Stevens Mug. Oh I'm using it again Joe. Mr Jodi areas thirty area smug. I was appearing on mother. Mary Asleep with podcast and I wanted to bring gifts. It's a straight up sharpie. It is straight up Sharpie but then baked soda last mazing its way over to exactly right and Karen Gareth. Oh and then. Here's a follow up tweet. Also on a weird coincidence I was. Also an extra in sleepover leg Georgia. Art Start which I mentioned in my episode of mother May Asleep. So that's your new best friend. Say Your name again Chelsea at Kelly. Blair thanks Kelly. I love that we've found the person who made this rate design work. What else lots of people telling me about the musical rights. She's fucking thank you guys great. Thank you Charlie comment. We loved information why I love to know at fifteen thousand. Oh there's a musical call parade. It's beautiful their songs in it. It's about Leo Frank Steph and about Mary figgins murder and we owe frank's murder and I guess we have to. They have to re stage it on Broadway. We need to go see it but people were the people who wrote in who clearly are a musical arenas really raved about how beautiful music as I want to see it. I'll see it. I swear and then many other people for the follow up a Pencil. Passion reminded me that Black Wing pencils are the best there are and I do have some wow. I just can't remember the name while we were talking. This is a world that I didn't know about that was a thing I would ask me. What kind of pencil I'd like I'd say number two. There's no mechanical. I like Mechanical Pencil. Ma Mechanical is a great choice though. Yeah because you don't need a sharpener and the and if you throw a lot of stuff in your purse if it breaks you just have a new pencil. Yeah that's the best. I love it mechanics. Have it right here? A mechanic at heart right. Oh and also just. We announced last week that Aria friend and CO worker Bridgier Weinberger. His new podcast. I said no gifts gifts you guys. It sounds like we're saying gifts like G. I s. but it's gifts. Yeah no one talks like that though so if if you can't put together the sentence I said no gifts and not know that the word were saying is not gifts as I said no gifts. Yeah stop it for vocal star. Cast off being fucking nineteen. Please I as a favor to me. Okay your favourite sixty eight year old. I said no gift at The trailer is up on Itunes and everywhere you find your podcast and you can listen to a sample of it and go subscribe and let's get those numbers up. Apparently numbers are the big thing on the tunes. It's all about the numbers now. So let's play the numbers game but we're not all about math like that's not our thing just that pencil. Yeah so we're not even paying attention. No we're more about spirituality. Yeah spiritual numbers those up. I'm I'm at ten spiritually. I May Diamond Crystal Crystal. I'm platinum card members Buddhist. That's all on my little. I think so. My therapist has a podcast. Now don't do that. We have to go to a second therapist therapist. Podcast xactly. Is that real. Yeah it's good. Yeah it's called your mental breakdown and it's good. Check it out just a rave endorsement. It's just weird. I don't know if it's like if it's like against protocol for me to plug something that my therapists does. She keeps giving examples. She's like this one girl Brown hair mid to late thirties. Oh sheet convinces therapist. So that's different thing right because it's mostly his fault. I'm on their side percents. We have therapy in our great with that. She comes to the garage. It doesn't matter so I don't know why had a correct you and that will cause the if they're looking for his podcast they should know right. Yeah Okay Yeah. That's smart that's it. Okay your mental breakdown. It's actually they. It's okay what it's a therapy session. It's like they. They do therapy session with this person. Who's anonymous and then they discuss it. And it's like that's cool and it's like interesting. You can relate even though the the dude having his therapy. Lesson session is twenty four year. Old Guy Conceal relate to a lot of the stuff and it's also good for people who don't know what therapy is like it and our kind of nervous. It's Nice for sure. Yeah and the therapist I go to really fucking good so it's nice to listen to how how it's supposed to work kind of in some cases now you should start a therapy practice and just be like. Oh here really quick. I want to give you my business. Yeah we've been you plug my therapy practice on your five. Can I just wanted to get into your career path? Now you know how it is sweet. How was your trip to New Orleans? Yes mistaken trip. I I just got dates mixed up and so instead of going nor liens for my friend. Care lovely carry cassidy vintages fucking fortieth birthday celebration with a bunch of friends at an AIRBNB in New Orleans Vincent? I went two weeks later on our own when she actually made the with the ticket reservation correctly. We're there for Mardi Gras and we have a great time. We just for two days and I met. Of course F- Can lovely murdering murdering at every location. And that's great. Yeah Oh wait I can. We talk about my favorite murdering. No interaction lately Georgia and I were in We're going to suck some point together. I can't what we're doing and skirl was coming out. We were in the parking garage and we were walking into the building and this girl was coming out and she was on crutches and she looked at us and went. Oh Fuck you and I start laughing. The her first initial look on her face was clearly. Like oh you guys are here. And then she just started yelling at us being there and that she was just listening to us and fuck it was almost likes. It was up to the universe and like. You can't tricked me thug. You it was good going Larry attack us she was she was like hobbling away. Like cast on was delightful so shout out to her. She told us her name. And now I can't remember your number one and I hope you're you're whatever's wrong with you gets Wilson. I hope you're happy. Fuck you. Luckier kept fucking walking. This is a story. I got from a instagram account. Called history photographed and they post like a historical photograph. And then tell you about the story and I had never heard this before and I was into it. That sounds like a good way to learn. It is it totally is by the things that don't catch your eye. Yeah then when you're like what's my instagram Pitas. All history photographs cats and dogs and some penguins and like random shit now. It's it's pretty enjoyable if this is a story about a cat a dog penguin going on an adventure and I will kill you No Fuck I don't have a story this week papers wrestling. Okay no this is. This is the hijacking of Pan. Am flight seventy three and the heroine of hijacking? Wow Yeah Can I. Just one off might question always on the Mike only okay. Is there shooting in the plane on this one? Yeah fucking GonNa do this. No yes I was I had I actually think I asked Jay to start researching. Are you serious? Because it's so fucking guts someone from nineteen eighty six. I think that's it. Okay okay. You told me wait. There's no me he'll you can tell me what this wish you would tell me. We're acting like there's too high jacking stories. You did one already. And now. Here's the second one was the second one. I grabbed it if only I mugged. Jay took his other hijacking story This I got article Info Info from BBC article by a Magam. Mohand an article from the Website College view from the wing by Gary less a medium article by Carsick Nombi and Wikipedia so Karen Lot was going in nineteen. Eighty six true. You were there. I was there sophomore year baby. Okay that was my prime sixers years old. I know so. I don't really remember this a lot but you probably do so. Please tell me about it. You want to jump in at any point. Oh you no choice as all about jumping in. Yeah so let me tell you about nine hundred eighty six on January twenty eighth. The seventy three seconds after launching space shuttle Challenger disintegrated horrifying air killing the entire crew. Sally ride was on Trae YOUNG ON APRIL. Twenty six hundred reactors at Chernobyl nuclear plant in Ukraine explodes grading. The world's worst nuclear disaster. Can't I can't watch the movie Noble because we kind of sat there. Wallet Happen. Yeah hoping it wasn't as like hoping it wasn't worse than they were saying. It was such a strange awful like the whole nuclear threat terrifying terrifying. Yeah would you go to Chernobyl if you had a chance to get like a no no no but yeah? I don't like cancer personally. I'm not one of those run for cancer. I think I'm very anticancer. Okay we're going to take a stance what here I go suck cancer. Of course there's Haley's comet fucking Geraldo Rivera Opens Al Capone Secret Bolt Right. The black hole known as Ronald Reagan is president and is secretly in the midst of what will become known as the Iran. Contra Affair Yeah read about it everyone. It's important history. What I don't know I I know the name of it. Yeah and I know it was bad tons of lying then. There's people arming people they shouldn't and nobody gets in trouble or anything. Oh that's Oliver North stuff. Okay Why am I doing? Why do I continue after four years to guess forty nine years? It's just how interact I want people to know I understand them? If I don't get it you WANNA YOU WANNA be part of it. I want to be The on April Fourteenth Nineteen eighty-six the United States launches air strikes against Libya in retaliation for the Libyan sponsorship of terrorism against American troops and citizens. There's a lot of history to unpack. They're just don't pack a real quick right now. How dare you challenge me in the middle of this I would get up and then okay? Meanwhile on September Fifth Nineteen eighty-six Pan Am flight. Seventy three takes off from what is present day. Mumbai Bombay. Route to New York and there's layovers in Karachi in Pakistan in Frankfurt Germany and the Boeing floor. Layovers did that ticket cost one hundred dollars and I wonder if they're even layovers at the point. Where like it's just stopping. He so people can go all the way. People were going from Bombay to New York. Have to stop it all the second place. But it's a time when you can stay on the plane depart. Who are like going to these other places. And then more people get on a city bus across the world. So the Boeing seven forty seven lands at the Karachi. Airport furyk fueling at four thirty. In the morning it's carrying three hundred ninety four passengers nine and invents an American flight crew and thirteen Indian flight attendants total of one hundred nine passengers to spark despite disembarking at Karachi and new passengers board around six. Am So everyone's doing their thing getting on getting off going in the next get ready to go the next spot. I don't Wanna fly for that long. No please don't make me yeah. Suddenly there's van that was modified to look like airport security and it's driven by four hijackers. It gets through a security checkpoint and drives right up to one of the boarding stairways to the plane and this is when they were on the tarmac. So it's not like you had a board through the tunnel like you do now. Just go right up to the plane. I mean that's when they would be kind of like does anyone. Anyone WanNa control by the plane just ray for shits and GIG right for we all leave. Yeah exactly Shots are fired outside the plane. Killing to Kuwait Airlines staff members working on a nearby aircraft and then the four are men. Enter the plane and start shooting and they've got AK47's they have fucking grenades and shit strapped to them. I mean it's there's no. It's obvious that they're hijackers Iranian. And they're shooting so the hijackers fire shots at the feet of a flight attendant and force her to close the plane door. A flight attendant name Shaheen Pavon. Who was out of sight of the hijackers and there might have been there. There's reports of everything that's going on here because some people died some people didn't end. It's just word of mouth at this point of what exactly happened but one of the flight attendants who was out of sight. Here's the gunfire realize it's going on and uses the the intercom phone and calls the cockpit to let them know what's going on She gives them the hijack code alerting the crew and another flight attendant named Sunshine Vessel Walla Leads. The hijackers they take us to the cockpit. She leads them there and she notices that. The overhead escape hatch in the cockpit has been deployed and realizes that the the whole crew has gotten out in the cockpit. So she kind of are you love to do? Yeah so about that okay. So people criticize it. People say it's a good thing. There's like differing arguments. One of the good things about it is that that the plane can then take off. Can't be blowing. Enforce it to to kind of stuck there so the situation is confined to the airport. You know I agree with that. Yeah I'm getting out means. There's no one to flight. They play minute foils their whole plan. K. Great so I changed my mind K. Great but they had to like get out. It's one of those huge double decker plans. They had a fucking climb out with ropes and shit like that and they get out of there. So this whole thing definitely screws up. The hijackers plan because the hijackers are part of the Abu Doll Organization or a n o a Palestinian terrorist organization backed by Libya. It's defunct now It's opposed to US in Israeli policy in the Middle East. And they're blamed for a string of attacks in the nineteen seventies eighties killing and wounding. Hundreds of people and their plan was to fly to Cyprus where other members of their militant group were incarcerated on terror charges and get them the fuck out of prison. Okay so that's their plan and it doesn't work now because they have no pilots right so when the lead hijacker called a sovereigny realizes that the cockpit crews escaped he knows he has to negotiate with officials at that point so he orders the first and business class passengers to get back into coach and people are like sitting in the aisles. They're kind of just like couldn't find these two. This one space with the hijacker two hijackers on either side of them so for nearly seventeen hours. The hijackers hold the passengers and crew hostage. Oh so the first casualty happens around ten. Am for hours. After they hijacked the plane suffering he goes through the plane and finds a twenty nine year old Indian American resident of California. He'd been recently naturalized American citizen his. Name's Rajesh Kumar and Safari. Any orders Qamar to come to the front of the aircraft and to kneel at the front doorway of the aircraft okay. I think this might be the same hijacking. That is the story behind. The one of the first episodes of ice survived. I ever saw but I'll let you tell the rest. It's basically just a this hijacking story but I'll tell you later if it is actually that okay. 'cause there's more than three hundred stories unfortunately and so he has to face the front of the aircraft with his hands in feet his hands behind his head so he's kneeling there with a gun to his head at the front of the door. Yeah suffering tells officials that if a new cockpit crew is not sent on the plane and the next fifteen minutes Kumar will be shot so when a pilot doesn't arrive within the hour suffering shoots Kumar in the head and push them out of the door onto the tarmac below. Which I think I've seen video of video of that I I don't know and if not then there's other hijackings and it could have been the video. Yeah whore stuck with me since I was a kid and of course. Yeah so Pakistani personnel on the tarmac. Report that Kumar is still breathing when he's placed in an ambulance that grab him. He's pronounced dead on the way to the hospital in Karachi so outside on the tarmac Pan Am's Karachi director veer off Deroga- uses a megaphone and tries to negotiate with the hijackers. He tells them that the authorities are looking for pilots to fly them wherever they need to go. Which is true. They're trying to get like people diverted into that that what's it called airport. Thank you to get someone on the plane right. But it's just taking too long the tears Intel or like I'm about to land right just the and only thirty six hour. I'm going the wrong way. So the terrorists tell the flight attendants to collect the passports of all of the people on the plane and the passengers so that they can identify the Americans on board because that's their target so the flight attendants who are led by the head of the head of flight attendants near by not who. So she's in charge of the flight attendants because the pilots left and now she's the most senior cabin crew member and she is like we're GONNA we're not you know she's like we're going to do what we were trained to do. And we'RE NOT GONNA freak out so they have plans to foil the hijackers and are ready to risk their lives to save as many passengers as they can. Do I like this. Yeah so let me tell you about near. She grew up in Bombay India in Punjabi family with her father mother and two brothers. Her family calls her law. Do which is the Hindu word for sweet and God gifted. Her Dad describes her as very sensitive deeply affectionate extremely decent at Age Sixteen. She spotted here dead describing diese remains a decent human. She's okay she's decent. She'll get the job done as a daughter at the sixteen responded by a modeling Scout. Get several modelling assignments at AD agency. She becomes like she's a model. She's fucking so beautiful. She attends several goods. She's not one of those weird model Saul personality sorriest. She attends several good schools and eventually graduates from Saint Xavier College in Bombay. So she's Super Smart Way. In March of Nineteen ninety-five. She travels to the American Gulf for an arranged marriage but it's a toxic and abusive marriage relationship just to borrow money from him just to make phone calls back home. This is really awful controlling person. She gathers all her strength and leaves him and goes back home. Nice kind of unheard of at the time. Yeah you know believing an arranged marriage Yeah totally she then applies for flight attendant position with Pan Am who had decided to have an all Indian cabin crew for its Frankfurt to India routes that year and add a ten thousand applicants. She's placed within the top eighty and still be selected for training Miami Florida and she returns to India as a purser. Which is what. Your Dad did right. Yes on the crucial yeah She carries she carried a lot of luggage. I don't I don't think it says here that it's the title for the chief flight attendant so I think it maybe means something different there and it's considered the most senior crew position so he thinks just like she's fucking incharge It's two days before her. Twenty third birthday when the plane is hijacked twenty. Third Baby Baby. Yeah Oh can already so accomplished flight attendants collect all the passports and then near directs the other attendance secretly pull out any American passport and the fucking hide them. They'd like Tuck them into seats. They throw them in middle trash bins and hide them in their clothes and they refuse to give them any American passports and they managed to hide forty one passports. Total ooh WEIRD. Full-body chillier crazy. Isn't it. Yes and it's so risky. It's really risky. And it's really important and it's really brave. I mean when it comes down to the flight attendants are human beings just like everyone on board and yet there and they just have a certain job that puts them in this position and yet they are willing to sacrifice their lives. Because of yeah. They're the ones that have to. That's what they don't have to though they just it's like they have so much integrity that they're willing to tell us they know they're the they're the final line. If you're the person that's like well they told me to do it. And they have a gun. It's like but you could also try to think of a plan to try to do something which is kind of why the pilots leaving is touchy for me. Because like they had authority they had means they there could i. it's hard. I was on that side but the rationale and the reasoning. The plane can't leave if the pilots are gone. Works for me. It couldn't have just thrown keys out of the patch. There's the spare go up and go grab them. I mean it's basically saying you know it's like taking the engine out where it's like. There's nothing we can do a hundred. I'd buy Yes yes. I didn't like it in the beginning. Yeah I'm I love it now. Okay so over the next few hours inertia and the other attendants continue to serve people food and drinks on like they're making sure everyone's eating and has drinks which is like so crazy odds less never tasted a more delicious tiny bottle of dewars in your life then when that chicken served up. Amen what beverage like fucking take any about point in the evening. The hijackers who seemed to be like they talk to the passengers. They don't I don't think right away kill anyone else. They spare a couple of people's lives as well and they allow everyone to go to the toilet one after the other by crawling on the floor on the floor with their hands over their heads not saying the hijackers are good guys. It's just this weird message. They're sending at one point near removes. Okay so here's what she does. She takes a page that had a flight. Manual that describes procedures for opening the aircraft door. And she fucking toxic into a magazine and then is like two passenger. Here is a magazine yes magazine. Here's the page. Thirty seven years the magazine you ask for a man with huge by eight. Who sitting in the emergency exit? Isn't that amazing? And probably gave him a tiny. I flare she handwrite. Here's the thing and here's an extra doors for yourself. Here's your payment if people if you're in a high pressure situation pay close attention to what other people are doing because sometimes the way people can communicate with you. I love that I just like you. Hope and pray that when you're in a panic situation someday because we're all going to be in one way or another you know yet. Our lives that we react with without panicking and with fuck and foresight and a calmness and can like take the next steps necessary to make the situation better just really fucking hope that. I believe in the calmness amidst worst-case scenarios. Because it's happened to me in very strange ways like I told you the story of when I thought there was a rattlesnake and my sister's car and it was a hilarious college boy prank but it was a coiled rattlesnake. That was stuff and they put it in my sister's car to see how much we'd freak out and I leaned it yeah. I leaned loading up my sister's car. We were both in Sacramento. I open the passenger door. Put something in her car look down saw rattlesnake and then moved backwards and shut the door so quickly that the guys that were watching to be like you screamed and cried or whatever they were like. Whoa and they were super impressing than I was super back with care. I didn't realize I had that in me to in I just was like get away get get occurs and close the doors those the fucking door. I had a moment where I was in. I think right before we met. I was in the head on or no sorry right before I met Vince. I was in this head on fucking car accident. One someone turned in front of me and I completely smashed into them and a few seconds before it happened. I realized there was no way to get out of it. I was going to completely around this car scary and I just thought okay here like I've having Zaidi so I'm always waiting for the worst case scenario so I was like here it comes. This is the worst case. Do you know and I remember how you always read about. People who are drunk driving the drunk people don't get hurt because they're so relaxed. Yes so I made myself relax my entire body when I hit the car and you weren't injured now. Oh do demand wasn't injured because I had a good car. Thank you Nissan Versa. Because the car accident wasn't as bad as I thought it was a very high value endorsement. Right she's a safeguard. Well that's amazing. That's a little bit like the time I got sucked under in a wave in Hawaii where I couldn't get I was basically like a washing machine and I. I hope yeah and it was just went. Do not like I just had this moment. Like I went so calm. I've never been that calm in my life and I was just like just continue to hold your breath. This is going to be over like ten second count to ten. And then that's what happened. There was so much sand in my. There's just so much sand everywhere and then I was like. Why did you save like one of those moments in the moment of it? I think we all have the capacity. There is that in you and you should know it so evening starts to fuck and set in an on on board power supply is getting lower and the lights are getting dimmer and the cool air isn't circulating anymore which sounds terrifying. Yeah then the mechanic of the plane name Amir Hershey. Karas tells suffering that the emergency powers only gonNA last like fifteen more minutes and the airplane is going to experience a blackout and tells them to prepare for it. Sit around nine PM. Set almost seventeen hours after the initial hijack can you imagine the aircraft auxiliary power goes down and the plane goes dark and you can see and like the old the news reports that I watched. The whole tarmac is black and the plane is because they turn the lights off so that the military confession Russian and Shit. Oh so it's all dark yet. And they the hijackers panic because they think that the Pakistani security forces are getting ready to raid the plane. That's why the flights went out and that's what they think so. A hijacker He they just panic at that point. In a hijacker tries to shoot out the explosive belt worn by another hijacker he tries to like ignited to cause an explosion. That'll would be massive enough to kill the entire plane passenger and crew as well as the hijackers but since the cabin so dark he misses causing only a small detonation. And then the other dockers hearing shooting panic and they begin shooting very weapons into the cabin passengers and they start throwing grenades. There's little explosions and you can see in one of the videos. There's like a simulation computer simulation. There's explosions all over the plane. Wow it's terrifying but the lack of white also means that they're not able to pull the pins fully end up only creating these little explosions instead of what should be huge explosions and ultimately guns create the most damage since each bullet is just ricocheting off the cabin and creating shrapnel. Yes so everyone's in a panic at this point everyone. Yeah when the lights go out all the flight attendants and passengers are in the middle section of the cabin and several seated on the ground and aisles. And you're the doors and Maharishi the twenty-eight-year-old mechanic they realized has been killed. And in the chaos and everything going on people start opening the doors. Okay they take this distraction to open some of the cabin doors great but it's not clear who opens them and although near could have been she was by a door and could've been one of the first people off the flight because of her proximity instead she stays behind to help the passengers get off safely and starts ushering them out out onto the slide. Oh like stays on board and like Mrs Chaos and all the passengers are finally off the plane the rest of the crew who had escaped they go back into the dark plane because they realize that they're not hearing anymore gunfire and so they go back on which is so brave. That's amazing that's when sunshine the flight attendant sees near Shah. She's been shot in the hip. She's conscious but bleeding heavily and according to a surviving passenger near had been guiding the passengers to the emergency exit in this mayhem and the hijackers had noticed and they realized that she is shielding three American children with her body as hijackers grab her by her ponytail and they shoot her Multiple Times August. So she's actually shot in down and bleeding sunshine calls over to another attendant. They get near to the emergency slide. They like help her off. And she's put into an ambulance and transported to the hospital which is completely overflowing with other passengers at this point near has a pulse upon arrival but she alternately dies from her injuries. I know the combined efforts of the fourteen flight attendants that day. It's thought saved hundreds of lives and for two more days. After the attack the crew stays with the young children who are left alone. They can be reunited with their other family members. Like fucking heroics twenty. Two people were killed and one hundred fifty injured from the attack of three of. The hijackers are caught fleeing the airport. And Serena's still on board. When Pakistan security forces entered the plane? The three hundred eighty one total passengers plus crew the crew on the Pan Am flight. Seventy three are citizens of fourteen different countries. India represents about twenty six percent of the people on board and they also represent twenty eight percent of those killed and out of total of forty four American passengers. Only two are killed during the hijacking. Ooh That's an era. Yeah after a short break all the members of the flight seventy three crew returned to Pan Am to work and they work at least a couple years all of them. Oh yeah they occasionally work the same flight together and run into each other and they don't like discussing the hijacking obviously and two of the six of them remain in the industry to this day during the interviews that they have with BBC in two thousand sixteen. Because the movie comes out about this whole thing and A lot of them hadn't talked to the media at that point but they some of them then finally do and they stress that there's no single hero that day that crew members not interviewed played an equally important role so for the the hijackers. So there's five total there was one that was on the plane they deported by Pakistani authorities to Palestine in two thousand and eight and they escape So on December thirty two thousand and nine the FBI in coordination with the State Department announced a five million dollar reward for information leading to their capture and the FBI released new age progressed images of them. And the case is still under investigation by the Washington Field Office of the bureau. Wow Yeah to this day. Yeah and it's hard. I can't say that with total shirt because there's different reports of like how people got away. How much time they got into the escape or were they let out like we don't. It's so it's it's that's a whole different fucking story. Yeah but the PAN crew flight. Seventy-three are given courage awards by the airline in nineteen eighty six and the US Department of Justice in two thousand and five and the US Attorney General in two thousand and six and near Zhob Is awarded posthumous bravery awards in India and Pakistan She becomes internationally known as the heroine of hijacking and becomes the youngest recipient of the Shook shocker award which is India's most prestigious military award for bravery during peacetime. Oh three years old and sacrifices herself in that way they release a statement with the award that says quote her loyalties to the passengers of the aircraft in distress will forever be lasting tribute to the finest qualities of the human spirit. She also received multiple awards for her courage. From the United States government and Pakistan and two thousand four the Indian Postal Service releases a stamp commemorating her. Wow We'll put it on the instagram. That's very cool. After her death her family sets up a Amtrak with insurance money and contribution from Pan Am and the trust presents two awards every year. One is for a flight crew member worldwide. Who Acts beyond the call of duty and the other is the near. Zsa Award and it goes to an Indian woman who is brave and helps other women and distressed when faced with social injustice while and a seven year. Old Child who was on board. That flight is now a captain for a major airline and has stated that has his Has Been His inspiration and that he does every day of his life to her home. My God is the hijacking of Pan. Am flight seventy three. And the heroine of hijacking inertia unbelievable can crazy right. I'm sweating right now. You know I was I was grasping my hands in front of me like a little child in prayer being like going out and that wasn't the same story as the episode because the woman in the I survived. Episode was shot in the head by the terrorist and thrown out onto the tarmac. Oh my God I and just waited there. And they picked her up and they assumed she was dead. I think I saw that one. It's Chris she tells US firsthand story. It's very similar was at the one that you told J to do. I'm not sure no no. No I think it's not because I think the one that I know so there's jobs there's minimum. There's been a minimum of four look. Hijackings used to be the way to go for because it got this was pre twenty four new cycle so it got tons of press and and it got people got their way got to do it because there was never an effective way to change it right. Yeah wiles huge and that seventies and eighties. It seems like yeah amazing. Great job thank you this week. I'm going to do the Tulsa race massacre it's also called the Black Wall Street massacre of nineteen twenty one or the Greenwood massacre. Well so did you watch watch men the HBO series Yes. Okay see now. It started and then there was that one episode is dedicated to. That's true fucking story at was crazy. Okay so this is very cool so I remember watching that and the whole time. I was watching going. Please don't let this be real. And of course it was and then I read articles about it. Whatever or at least I read one article about it basically confirming like. Oh no this is real and It made me think of it because at the Wednesday like after we recorded last week someone a Akilah Green follow on twitter re tweeted this amazing article from the root which I'll talk about at the end of the episode but basically reminded me. What an amazing story it is. And it was told in watchmen so compellingly incredibly and in this way where you're just like. Oh this is this is that what has been termed black history in this country where basically a dozen get talked about whereas really fucked up shit happen. Yeah and no one wants acknowledged. Yeah people don't acknowledge it and when they do some it gets whitewashed or mishandle home and then cue me walking with my papers. Hey But the cool thing is when a show like that. That's popular and cool and then taking notes. Eleanor taking this historical context and then being like. Hey here's this character. You care about yes this thing that happened to like her ancestors essentially and now you're in the story. Now you understand that. This was a real place in time. I really did a good job of like showing the fear that you have no matter you know in that situation. How dire and desperate Terrifying it was insane so Just to quote the sources. Obviously the the original concept was watching. Watch men and me going. Oh my God oh my God the work that got done around this and and basically kind of in the retailing. There's an amazing article. So the route article was written by a writer named J. Connor and a podcast her There's also an article in the Washington Post by a writer named Deneen ill Brown and that article is unbelievable and it has pictures and it's it's lots of firsthand accounts end. There's a city council woman who lives in Tulsa now and her she talks about how I believe. It was her grandmother. She said who she learned about it from her but they barely talk about it. He was literally a taboo subject. They just didn't want to discuss it because it was a massacre and it's been referred to since historically as a race riot and when you the classically the phrase race riot means black. People started it right. And that's that's why it's called a race massacre in that people wanted Referred to that because because the story actually goes yeah. It's just one of those things where wording matters. Yeah and it's a thing that like you don't understand how ignorant Aria learn how you are and then how you deal with ignorance as you can either go now. I'm not you and it's just a sad for me a white person or you could actually pay attention and read and try and try to open it up a little then. Do Better try to clap. Clap clap do better okay. So there was the. There's also a great article in Smithsonian magazine by a writer named Allison keys about the twenty fifteen discovery of a first hand. Ten page type written. I should have said firsthand. Hear firsthand account of this massacre by a lawyer in in the green will district named Buck Colbert Franklin. So he basically saw it all happening swapped outside like an when it was all over went home and typed up. He saw remember. Yeah and then folded it up basically and put it away. And that wasn't discovered until like four or five years ago holy in the Smithsonian all my God. Oh that's a great article if you want to look that up and see and then there's a book by a writer named Scott Elsworth called death in a promise land about the Greenwood massacre. The Ford of that book is by a man. Historian named John. Hope Franklin who I believe worked at the Smithsonian and he is the son of buckle bear Franklin. Okay so that's all if you want to do more reading about this desert places also of course our friend wikipedia definitely was there for me. So was there for J. L. E. S. my researcher. Dr. Assistant Okay. So this starts Monday may thirtieth nineteen twenty. One it's Memorial Day in Tulsa Oklahoma and in the rest of America so in nineteen year old boy named Dick Rowland who is a shoeshine that works nearby. He goes into the Drexel building three nineteen south main street and gets into the elevator because he needs to right up to the top floor. Because that's the only place where there's a blacks only restroom in the entire area. And he has a black man and so he has to go. There is the only place he can go right. So this elevators operated by a seventeen year old white girl named Sarah Page so they have at the very least seen each other before because she's the only elevator operator in the only elevator and the Drexel building and he's clearly had to had to use that restroom at the top of that building before so soon after Dick Rohan enters the elevator. A clerk at the Drexel's first floor clothing store Ren Burg's here's a woman's scream from the elevator so that Clark rushes out to see a black man running from the building and then he goes into the elevator area to find Sarah page still in the elevator in what he described as a quote distraught state so the clerk assumed. Sarah's been assaulted and he calls the police. The police arrived they speak with. Sarah there is no written statement on the record It's never taken on his ever taken. The police begin an investigation and the exact details of what actually happened in. The elevator are still unknown but most people believe that dick either tripped while he was walking into the elevator and fell and grabbed. Sarah's arm to steady himself or he stepped on her foot as he walked into the elevator and then grabbed her so she wouldn't fall over but there was basically physical contact and the it's likely she screamed because she was like startled by it so dick immediately ran knowing that the worst would be assumed about his actions and his intentions. No matter how innocent the incident actually was. Yeah so Dicko's to his mom's house in the Greenwood District Tulsa so this here's a little historical context all of which was mostly brand new information to me as a person with barely a high school education. Okay so when the civil war ended in eighteen sixty five the slaves in Oklahoma are emancipated and they stay in the area and resettle as free people so in the early nineteen hundreds Tulsa experiences this huge boom because there's a discovery of a massive oil supply at red fork. That's just the Arkansas River from Tulsa and then in nineteen o five worker strike another oil. Well that they call Glenn Pool and Tulsa becomes one of the most oil rich areas in America. Did you know that oil in Oklahoma? No no no idea now did not know. There's all so more and more people come to the area for work and the population grows from around nights in the year. Nineteen hundred. There was a like almost fourteen hundred people that lived in Tulsa and twenty years later the ninety eight thousand eight hundred seventy four people. Shit live until Sir and couldn't get one more for fucking round number just have around number also like that. This is an estimated number. Yes the most random number of all time but that was when I would normally step in rounded up myself and then you know give wicked fuck wikipedia Silverman once again okay. So Oklahoma becomes a state in nineteen o seven basically. It's the whole eternit century. And after this time of amazing growth especially for the black community and Tulsa their thriving. It's a huge accomplishment because this is post civil war Jim Crow South Segregation and bigotry as a constant oppressive reality for all black Americans and yet the black citizens of Tulsa have figured out how to succeed in prospered despite like a whole system. That's rigged against them so it was a very big deal so much. So the reputation of this thriving black community and Tulsa draws the attention of leading black intellectual and educator of the Day Booker T. Washington and he takes a trip out to Oklahoma to see what's going on. What Year did you say? Nineteen O five a year later with booker t Washington's guidance. They officially organized this. Four thousand Acre entirely black owned neighborhood as the Greenwood district. Wow there's two newspapers to movie theaters with one of the movies. Theaters is featured in watchmen a grocery stores Churches Night Clubs Medical Centers dentist's office all entirely black-owned measuring and for the next thirteen years. Greenwood that Greenwood district flourishes and its success earns the nickname Black Wall Street after World War. One ends in nineteen. Eighteen American servicemen returning from the war flocked Tulsa. Because there's a bunch of work in a bunch of money there because of the oil but many of these white veterans are not happy that they have to compete for jobs with educated black citizens so this is also the same time black. American veterans are coming back to America. And they're trying to assert their equal rights saying that he's got fuck. Our country just fought and watch their fellow soldiers. Die Out of the country they come back to. They have no fucking they have no rights. They can't vote. They can't go to the bathroom in a regular restaurant like it's it's so restrictive and ridiculous and they're just like this Bolshaya as it is and then the kind of like the third or one of the elements. That's the topper which I mentioned in my story. Last week about the Death Mary Fagan the murder of Mary Fagan in the murder of Leo Frank. It's around this time. The KKK starts to have a resurgence tat. Yup So tensions are high in in the south. Yeah and everywhere in one thousand nine hundred twenty. A white eighteen year old Boy Named Roy. Belton is accused of murdering a local Tulsa. Taxi driver and before his guilt is even confirmed. A group of armed men stormed the jail take Belton and Lynch him hauling shut. Yeah he was white or black white So many Tulsen's blame the police for not protecting belton other support this lynching as this vigilante act that's righteous but this event makes the Black Citizens. Tulsa fear for their lives because of that can happen to a white boy. They know that they are definitely not safe though. So we're now we're back to nineteen twenty one with the elevator incident the morning after which is Tuesday may thirty first nineteen twenty one. The police find nineteen year old Dick role and at his mom's House on Greenwood Avenue. And they take him to the Tulsa jail at first and Main Street for questioning. Dick Explains to police it. Although he did put his hand on Sarah he was not trying to hurt her that afternoon around three. Pm WITH DICK in custody. The white own newspaper that Tulsa Tribune Princess Story About Dick's arrest with the headline quote. Nab Negro for attacking girl in an elevator. The rest of the article support this biased headline and makes declan guilty of an attempted assault. Yeah Okay so the same paper. Also publishes an editorial piece. It's like they had these ready to go. And they published an editorial piece with the headline quote to Lynch Negro Tonight essentially calling for more vigilante justice so obviously this newspaper is putting Dick. Rowland's life in or intentions like a call to action certainly is so after the paper releases those articles Police Commissioner J M Atkinson gets an anonymous phone call threatening to kill Dick Rowland so that coupled with the fact that the police are still shaking off the criticism that they properly protect Belton. Commissioner Atkinson Moves Dick. Roll into the more secure jail on the top floor of the Tulsa County courthouse but rumors of potential lynching. And the calling for a Goddamn Lynch rumor draws more and more people to the courthouse and by seven thirty that night hundreds of angry white. Tulsen's are gathered outside the courthouse demanding to be shown. Dick Rowland House dear. It's called the mob. It's an angry terrorist mob. So Sheriff Willard. Mccullough sent six of his officers to the roof of the courthouse with rifles. He disables the courthouse elevator and he positions more officers on the top floor with directions not to open the door for anyone around eight twenty three white men from the angry mob somehow quote unquote and get inside the courthouse. The sheriff immediately gets them out. any then addresses the crowd telling them there isn't going to be a lynching they all need to leave now. It's it's questionable. Whether or not he made a real effort here yeah because despite his quote unquote orders. The crowd continues to build and by nine o'clock that night there are four hundred angry white. Tulsen's outside of the courthouse with rumors of a potential lynching swirling around the town. The people of the Greenwood district gather on Greenwood Avenue to come up with a plan because they know Dick role and is basically a dead man. He's innocent and they're going to kill him terribly. They don't know what their strategy should be. Though the World War One vets want to collect up guns and and protect prepare for potential battle businessmen. Want to be as peaceful as possible. Because they don't want anything that would threaten their hard earned properties and businesses about twenty to fifty of the manager of the Greenwood district decide to go to the courthouse as a group. Some of them armed and offer their services to the sheriff to help protect Dick. Roll out there right. I was thinking about that whereas like it's not the best idea but you'd have to go armed our going. Is this tiny group of black men. You can't take sure it's understandable with you. It's just like you know where this is going. But is the only option is to let them kill an innocent nineteen year old and also I think these were very empowered intelligent people who are just kind of like it ain't GonNa be this way anymore like let's not. Yeah when they arrived. The sheriff is like no thanks. Get out we got your help. You're making it worse. They go back to the Greenwood district but the angry white men who'd been standing outside the courthouse were surprised by this group of Greenwood district Men and they were enraged. They would appear there so a bunch of them leave the courthouse. A bunch of the angry white mob leave the courthouse. Go home to get their own guns and a group of several hundred decide to try to get more weapons by robbing the National Guard. Oh no yacht so mayor James Bell Who was of the National Guard? One hundred eightieth infantry regimen. He knew what was happening downtown at the courthouse. He was prepared. He had his guards prepped and ready to shoot any intruders on sight and so basically they come up to the national guard armory. Yeah go me like we're taking guns and we're GonNa go and they were all just like Whoa kill you. You keep coming so they just walked away okay. Great rate so they give up there and go back to the court house so now the crowd of the courthouses swelled to nearly two thousand angry white and most of whom are now armed. By word of the growing armed mob gets back to the Greenwood district and some of the men in green would decide that this is their last chance to save Dick. Rowland from being lynched. This time seventy five black men from the Greenwood district now. Most of them armed Arrive at the courthouse just after ten pm again. They offer their services to the sheriff again. He Says No. But but now that the white mobs armed they're feeling boulder one of them reportedly appl- approaches one of these One of the black men from Greenwood the Greenwood Group and demands. He give up his pistol. The man with the Black Man refuses a shot is fired so no one knows for sure who fired that shot and whether or not it was an accident if it was just like every you know emotions were running high of was meant to scare both groups off. No one knows what happened. But ultimately that doesn't matter because it starts a shootout that leaves twelve people some black and some white dead drastically outnumber so the Group of black men retreat back to the Greenwood district but this time the white men follow looting stores along the way for more weapons and AMMO. So now it's on. Yeah the gunfight continues along the Frisco train tracks which separate the Greenwood district from the neighbouring white districts. Some of the white mob drive into Greenwood proper and start shooting at people and businesses. Dry Vice style so they just start and some of these people didn't know what was going on so there's that was part of the watchman thing is so amazing. Is People coming out of a movie theater there? They went into movie theaters. Were those people had no idea and then just murdering everybody in a movie theater. So they're just picking people off on the street. In some cases business owners trying to protect themselves returned fire. Meanwhile the National Guard come up with a way to stop the chaos. But it's not a great plan. They station guards at the courthouse. But then they Station Protective Guards only around the white neighborhoods. they send other guards to round up black people whether they're participating in violence or not and detain them at the Convention Hall on Brady Street so immediately. It's protect white people and arrest black. The fighting continues through the early morning hours of Wednesday June first nineteen twenty one around one. Am The white mob against a setting black businesses along Archer Street. On fire some reporters say that Tulsa Fire Department tried to put the fires out but the white mob threatened to shoot them if they did some other reports suggest that the fire department was citing with The white mob and deliberately didn't put the fires out right the fires rage and by four. I am roughly two dozen black. Owned businesses are burning on my God. Okay so this is where but Colbert. I'm pronouncing it. Colbert like Stephen Colbert or could be Colbert. But Buck Colbert Franklin. This is from his ten page document where he wrote it right after he saw A. Hey and this you can also read this and Smithsonian magazine. He wrote quote. I could see planes circling in mid air. They grew in number and homed darted and dipped low. I could hear something like hail falling upon the top of my office building down East Archer. I saw the old midway hotel on fire burning from its top and then another and another and another building began to burn from their top. The sidewalks were literally covered with burning turpentine balls. I knew all too well where they came from and I knew all too well why every burning building I caught. I caught from the top. I paused and waited for an opportune time to escape. Where aware as our splendid fire department with its half dozen stations? I asked myself is the city in conspiracy with the mob. So people were flying overhead of the Greenwood district and throwing turpin flying burning turpentine balls down onto the building. So they'd all catch on fire and so it was like a complete it was onslaught yes. A blitz completely overpowered by the mob. A many many Greenwood district residents flee the city troops from another Oklahoma National Guard station. Arrive on the scene around nine fifteen. Am On June first as backup at this point. Roughly four thousand black people have been detained by the local National Guard. Four thousand the National Guard Declares Martial Law around eleven fifty am and tried to regain order between twelve and one PM. The violence finally stops but the fires raged on for two full days. The rounding up and detention of black citizens in the city continues throughout when martial law finally withdrawn on Friday fourth nineteen twenty one. They're still about six thousand black people. Being held in detention. Some are held for as long as eight days. Wow when all of a sudden done more than thirty five blocks in the Greenwood district or destroyed thirty five blocks one hundred ninety one businesses twelve hundred homes churches and schools are burned to the ground. An estimated ten thousand black citizens are left homeless. It's hard to say exactly how many people died because many media outlets time would change their counts and release conflicting information that the estimates today range anywhere from fifty five people to three hundred. Wow and there is a it really amazing in that Washington Post article. They talk about how there's a potter's field. That's out in the back of the cemetery. Tulsa they believe that they dumped a bunch of bodies out there that just they just buried them in a mass grave. And that's why they don't know the number Governor James B a Robertson calls for a grand jury to investigate how the massacre came about the investigation starts on June eighth nineteen twenty one and includes both black and white witnesses as well as the sheriff and other city officials. They're all questioned about the events over a twelve day period but the jury is made up of all white people Jason and they and they find the massacre was incited by the black citizens. Of course they do while they do acknowledge. The law enforcement failed to prevent violence. That's ultimately a worthless concession. The court reviews twenty seven different cases associated with the massacre in eighty. Five people are indicted but when all the legal proceedings are done not one person is convicted for the murders or the damages in the Greenwood district when questioned about what happened. Tulsa police firefighters National Guard and other officials tried to say they did everything they could to stop the violence but witness accounts say otherwise there are mentions of the city preventing the Red Cross from coming in to provide medical aid and firefighters. Either letting the fires rage or being persuaded by the white mob to stand down yeah. They're even report which is not a hard thing to be persuaded by fucking Tang Green. Mazorra say they're even reports that local police had deputized some of the mob giving them weapons in the authority to attack or detain black residents help. Franklin the son of Buck Franklin from the man who wrote his eyewitness he says the term riot is contentious because it assumes that black people started the violence as they were accused of doing by whites. We increasingly used the term mass occur or I use the European term polygram. It's a long road to rebuild the Greenwood district and even though it's eventually rebuilt of course it's never the same today. Gentrification threatens to bury the history of the massacre and of the once thriving prosperous black community Historians and activists have been fighting to have the story of the Greenwood massacre taught in Oklahoma classrooms for years but since the success and popularity of HBO. Series watchmen starring. America's Queen Regina King. I put that. And they're incredibly impactful use of the events of the Greenwood massacre that has apparently put the argument over the edge and this month February of Twenty Twenty Oklahoma. And this was what that route article was all about article written by J. Connor Oklahoma's Department of Education has announced that will be it will be officially adding the story of the Greenwood massacre to public school curriculums by this fall just in time for its one hundredth anniversary in twenty twenty one molly shit and that is the up until very recently kind of untold history of pulses Greenwood massacre. Her and defendants interested the writer for the article for the Route. J. Connor he also produced co hosts. A podcast called the extraordinary negroes. So you might want to give that a listen amazing. 'cause it's a yeah the and also just. I don't know any of this shit. I had to look up the details of what the Jim Crow laws were especially like in the eighties. We were not educated in any. I think. Effective way about about black history. It says if it's our choice whether or not we wanna know stuff like this totally and so that's also not to Overdo it but the importance of diversity in especially in Goddamn show business in Hollywood is because these stories are great important vital American stories that should be told and the people that made the watchman prove that point. Yeah like what an amazing use of fact and horrible like there's plenty of horrible stories in our history but they don't have to just remain taboo unspoken. Don't talk about that because it actually helps people learn how to do better or I mean know how fucking bad it actually was not covering over not rationalizing not saying it was some. It was their own fault. It was someone else's falls a riot. They should have done that. Yeah it's none of that stuff but actually going. How do we make it? So there's less angry mobs in general. Yeah still to this day to this. God Damn Minute no great. I was incredible. I'm speechless sows hardcore. Fucking heavy heavy and scary to talk about really scary to talk about. Yeah and it's important. Yes can hurry there. We go we do ours. I or these these listeners. I know you think I guess we do listeners. Then we can figure out what we want to do. Is I do see me too. Of course I this is my fucking her. Humanity doesn't always suck this from the Fan Colt Forum K. by Katie E. She wrote Hi. Mfm CREW. My fucking hurry. This week I was driving home from work on an unseasonably warm winter day behind the same car for a good bit. There's an obviously squirmy kid in the backseat with the windows. Down waving his hand out of the window I could tell he was turning around and waving at me sometimes so I waved back in parentheses. I'm not a total crank but the best part as I followed this car. Through a pedestrian heavy road was seeing all of the folks walking who also decided to waive back to this kid. He had a great big smile on his face with every wave and it was obvious he was soaking in the joy that came from waving to people and unexpectedly giving out getting away back and it was an unexpected bit of joy for me in the midst of a. Shitty fucking week so stalking hurry for the happy waving kid and all the people who waved back to him humanity doesn't always suck sometimes. It returns the pure kind gestures in ways that we need fear. Isn't that good little things handy? I love that I know okay. This one's from instagram. Katie grow 129 my fucking array is that I finally got off my pain medication after being on them for fifteen years. Well I have a jar disorder and have undergone multiple surgeries than they never worked March of twenty nine thousand nine. I had another jaw surgery with a new surgeon and I'm without paying for the first time in my life. Wow Oh yeah amazing. That's incredible yeah. Every day must be A. She's the waving kid everyday waving everybody. Listen to this one. This is also from the Fancy Form One K. This is from Sherry so tonight. I went alone to see Chris Fairbanks in Milwaukee. I tried to talk myself out of it a few times. I hear them but I drove an hour in the dark to a place I'd never been. I felt weird and awkward at first but very soon I met. Some murderer Renault's and a few other solo attendees and all the awkwardness quickly went away. Another Solo Person J. set next to me and told me several times that she was proud of me for coming and she was right. I'm proud of myself for getting out of my comfort zone and doing something I wanted to do. Even though I had to do it alone it was so fun and I got up the courage to actually meet Chris after the show such a sweetheart so fucking her eight of me. Oh my God I love. I love the idea that there is a secret network of murdering half who go to and other people and he asked nurse know that they can go by themselves. They can practice that or if they see someone alone they can be like. This is scary for them to. I'm acknowledging that I'm going to approach them even more greenhouse. It's like yes just like we all know how scary it is. Scary life is how scary being alone can be. And you can actually do something about that. Yeah just wear a little where little pin to make yourself known. That's right at friend's waiting for you. Here's one from a C G underscore M. P. L. S. I don't know she's from Minneapolis. My fucking array. Is that this Saturday the day after my birthday. My Miracle Baby is due. We tried for three and a half years to conceive and were convinced we couldn't and now here we are L. B. B. Inside. That baby's GonNa be waving out the window joy to other that's right. Babies babies are miracle there are. I really believe in the in the good work. Babies do is watching Nora. Grow up on all the goodness she brought to our hoke horrible falling apart family. She really made it work. Keep US posted on the miracle. Baby WanNa see pictures of that baby now. Okay this one is from Shen tell it's C. H. Apostrophe MTO. Okay it's brand new. It'd spell it In the subject line is guys Tim. Hortons has created a kit Kat everything menu. What if you didn't know tim? Hortons is is Canada's number one coffee slash donut chain restaurant. Oh Yeah it's like your Dunkin donuts but better. Sorry not sorry anyway. They've introduced a kit. Kat everything menu just one. More reason for more live shows in Canada. What is it? We have to look pictures of that cat everything everything. Maybe it's like a kit Kat Dona. That's how I got hot chocolate chocolate hockey Stephen Cut Chocolate and let me read it one more while you read that students go. Look it up so right after we can look at pictures of the Kit Kat. Everything Menu. I'm telling him to passive aggressively by saying that's what's going to happen. This is from Annalisa Danny. And she says my fucking her is. I have been dealing with depression since last year after a disclosing my sexual abuse to both my boyfriend and my family. It's been really hard and I was suicidal for a while but I have had a really good week. I know that my depression hasn't gone away but my God does it. Feel good to just be genuinely happy. Even if it's only for a couple of days man keep it up. That's right days turn into weeks. That's right yeah Stephen Cats. This is the main picture. They think that they've been promoting since like donut. Brownie Situation Kit Kat. Everyone is candidate starting to discover how delicious there is What's your secondary. Oh I My friend asked me to do is set. I tried to start doing sets again. We've been kinda busy and crazy. It's been a little weird lately so as like I'm GonNa you know like I am always hedging. I love doing it and makes me feel better when I do it but I just don't make the time to write it so then when I do it I just feel like I'm just doing the same stuff over and over and I ended it My friend asked me to do his show. I was like I'm probably not gonNA I'll say yes but then I won't do it or whatever and then whatever he said back to me. I can't remember I just went fine. I'll do it and then I was kind of like instead of doing the thing I always do. Which is project forward about how bad it's going to be and how like how I'm going to fail. I was like. Can you just write five hundred jokes and so I ended up writing? I think to So it was basically a baby steps progress but the two new jokes I wrote killed and then I was like this is I just need to keep doing it. You know I'm not able to do it every single night. And the hilarious thing was I kept stumbling over just saying word. Yeah we're at some point. I was like have I talked out loud today. I should have warmed up a little bit of Ivan there. But it didn't normally what happens is if I stumble over a word I will immediately make eye contact with a dude who has a bad look on his ass and I'm like I'm eating it. They hate me. This is terrible and instead I was just like I just didn't say it rightly you're here. This is the idea of armed. Hey and it all worked out great and I saw people that I really like like deb. D. Giovanni as one of the funniest stand up comedians. Doing it right now. And she was on that show. I just got to hang out in the green room with a bunch of people. I really like Dan. Soder was in town from New York. He's genius comic really talented. Josh Meyers was there. Who has the five hundred? Podcast really hilarious and Yeah I was worthwhile was just like a super fun. Hangs so the whole thing made me is just like how to stay neutral. It doesn't have to be the greatest night of your life and it also isn't going to suck like the worst thing that's ever happened to you. Just go have new experiences. And like give it a whirl. I feel like I've said that a hundred times and it's hard to it's hard to continue to be positive it's well it's hard to practice getting stepping out of my anxiety and just going okay. You can think that now. Go see what actually the truth is. That's my practice that I'm proud to be practicing more because I know it conceptually but then like that person said like it's so easy to talk yourself out of actually trying. That's the voice that you're used to listening to that. You're you've been listening to for so long. And what if they're not right and I know just I mean Dude. I totally get that. Yeah Mine is that I've been having a lot of anxiety as well. I'm like kind of inbetween therapists and stuff and are scheduled has been fucking crazy to this great like Christmas break where we took some time off and it's starting to ramp up again. Yeah two-way that's very stressful. And my dad was like. Are you free for lunch this week and I was like? I'm not. I'm so sorry. I hate my schedule's busy and I was like complaining about it to him and he text me back and said embrace your schedule as you would a blessing. Oh H yeah. I'm blessed that I have stuff going on and that my life has important meetings and important research that needs to be done. You know important chant. Show take a picture of that and then show it to office Georgia from nineteen ninety. A area she'll be stoked she will be and it's hard look. We both lose perspective saying this out loud on this podcast makes us look like assholes totally but within any any system urine as greatest things could be the day to day is hard and we actually work. You know soup fucking are just do. It's but it's also fun. Yeah but yeah. And it's there's a fucking amazing payoff at the end of the day with it. It's very cool. I'm I've that could actually. Also be my fucking ray is just the stuff we've been doing. Recently the development stuff like mergers show and and the upcoming other shows we get to announce. Soon it's really starting to feel like there's this movement yet so exciting because we've been working and kind of fighting for so long and now it's actually like kind of unresolved are being. Things ARE ROLLING OUT UNFURLED. And there's a reason for it all. Yeah no that's true. It's kind of like how hard the book was. And then the book came out. We're like Oh yeah this was so that more sect in it. Marty's the woman is such a like ooh scam likely from San Rafael Monitoring. That's right bipedal. Yeah embrace your schedule as you would bless as you would a blessing. Yeah we're fucking Super Lucky Mazal Tov. 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Steelers Hangover: Can the Steelers continue winning despite first quarter lulls?

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Steelers Hangover: Can the Steelers continue winning despite first quarter lulls?

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And we either celebrate were we talk about what went wrong with the Pittsburgh Steelers play now yesterday the Pittsburgh Steelers took on the Cleveland Browns. Landscape of great tragedy. And it was a very somber day for what went on the day before in squirrel hill. The Pittsburgh Steelers gave the community chance to have a three hour window to try to escape from what happened the day before? And for a lot of people. It was a time to scape. And just forget about what happened and there's not much. I could say about it just that, you know, we pray for the families and pray for those. We lost at squirrel hill tree of hope. And we hope that this senseless tragedy never happens. Again. I'm Brian Anthony Davis in the long with me is my good friend and Pittsburgh resident Tony to fail to diffuse. He's me and Tony good evening. My friend. Hey, Brian good to be with you. Well, I'm glad to have yawn. So I mean, we have a lot of a lot to talk about definitely a a great day as far as on the football field for the Pittsburgh Steelers. A a very important win. Even though it was against a the downtrodden Cleveland Browns. It was still something they needed to come back from the by came back a little rusty. They came back actually with heavy hearts their heads weren't completely in the game. They even said that I, but they found a way to to put things together in dominate towards the end, and we will talk a lot of football. But beforehand, if you don't mind, Tony, I know I live in Maryland. But I am I was born and raised in western Pennsylvania. And my heart belongs to the city of Pittsburgh, you live right there. And if you don't mind me rehashing, this what were your? Fox when this happened when the game was going on. And how do you feel that the Steeler Organsation handled it and honored the victims of this great tragedy? Well, actually, I was on my way to an event exceed you. Was going on a bunch of emergency vehicles. You know, I had to pull over on four as passed. I had no idea that this fire or an accident or something. And then when I was at CMU about an hour later what event for the homecoming game and. Told me that there was an active shooter in the area, squirrel hill for way about a mile away. And we were on lockdown. Then nothing after that game cancelled the event was cancelled. And it was just a and then as the morning and recipe after noon transpired, I I realize what happened. It was just such a shot. And it's just, you know, like, so many people said are just no words describe something like that. I mean, you know, it could be it could happen to anyone anytime. Like, you said you just hope something like that never happened again as far as how? Candle. They handle class like like, they'd be. And like you said show, it was a three hour window where everybody's sort of. Sort of forget what happened and just. Country's been. That's the great thing about sports is. She's players. They just they just give us all. And and they paint us. They give their bodies. They give everything. We we can escape from stuff like this just normal everyday live, usually, but for my tragic like this, and it was just just. It was it was a. This is a small way to to to to make us forget about what happened better than. Well, you know, what it's something that you. We see these tragedies on the news all the time. But when it hits your backyard, it really hits home, and that's something. That's not a fraternity that I ever wanted to be in. But as as far this has happened city of Pittsburgh. And I'm very proud of the way, the city has come together has United in this tragedy and very proud of my city and something how would you have? People don't realize how ingrained a T sports teams can be in every member of the community. And when I was watching I was watching on the today show this morning, the showed some fan these should family photos of some of the victims. And there are a lot of Steeler shirts in these pictures. Terrible towels Lund, the coach couches do something that the Steelers were major part of this community. And they these players they felt it going in. And they talked about it. It's really nice to see Cam Hayward come out wearing the Pittsburgh with a heart t shirt, he didn't come out during their adoptions with his ninety seven jersey on he came out with a shirt to do rope in Pittsburgh. So to go ahead and send a message of of love and support and hope and we're. We're going to go through this together. But that team did a lot to give that window. So I mean, I know we we've talked a lot about it. And we're here to talk about football. But that's the landscape that we were given it hung over that game. But it was really nice to go ahead and you'll see the community come together. And I know I keep I keep going after this. But let's go onto football, Tony. And as you know, the Pittsburgh Steelers they were coming off of a buy and typically their last five times of by. I think it was one in four just not a very good team lately off the bye that rough. Sometimes. Sometimes seeps in and they have trouble in look like look like the first quarter once again. Was going to go ahead and be the the doomsday for this team. Do you think going forward? That they continue to struggle in the first quarter and get away with it. Like, they have recently. Tony. Well, I mean, that's that was interesting thing about yesterday. Same began like a lot of the other the dams at Heinz field recently playoff game last year. Kansas City Baltimore this year getting slow start off? That's not being quite up to snuff up to par. You know, letting the Browns going to sixty five. Sorry. They to be. Everything. Trim having a little problem your connection. I've I am. I am. So what I'm gonna do about having trouble your connection here? So I'm gonna ask you to go ahead and hang out. They all back in the corner. Sorry. Tony, we're yeah. We're having problem with your connection. I'm gonna ask you to hang up and call back in. But at this time, we're going to go to the phones in our good friend veto. I know he has to say and good evening. My friend evening, gentlemen. Good evening. Thanks for being here. Listening to someone happened in Pittsburgh. And it's very sad. It's very unfortunate. But we live in a world as you. So very very precarious world that we have a lot of infection. Understand that these days will happen was as a. This is because. His imports. Seabees when imperfect world, and we're always going to have wickedness and evil until the good say send it once. Everything. Perfect. And we understand that we need to be faithful on the stand that he's going to do what he did make the perfect one day. And that's what we go by full. Lection of just taking all my negative focusing on you know, the moment at hand. But it's great to see him out. You know, honor those victims, you know, to do things the way they did. And they think I could've been a function of what happened on Saturday causing than maybe not too into that game. At that moment may have taken a good quarter to get into and say, look we come out and we need to play hard. And we need we need to win this game to win fifteen when he to win it. To prove that was your and I think that's why you saw them towards the second quarter. Do what they did towards the flat half of the quarter. What was agreed team victory? I think there was a couple blunders could've been event like kick. The place. But you know, we scored enough to really. Game away. Then you get news today. Hugh Jackson town. Hey, and you realize that organization is in a mess to tailspin so good as defense is there in Cleveland, they got bigger problems. So what are your thoughts on moving forward in next week is another big game? And I think if we could win the game kind of pivotal so the second half. Movie. No, I'm first of all thank you for those words of wisdom, in those words of hope that something that of course, we all need to hear. And I appreciate that. And you echoed the sentiment of the last few days, the Pittsburgh is stronger than hate. So I do appreciate you saying that for as. Going forward before we get to that. I wanna mention you mentioned the Cleveland Browns, and you mentioned pod. Haley and Hugh Jackson. They got their they got their red tags today and their walking papers, and I actually predicted that Hugh Jackson would be fired after this game. But then my prediction was the Todd. Haley would be the new head. I was so I guess I have right. I texted Jeff Hartmann, right? As soon as Jackson got fired. I'm like like you see that. He's like. Yep. You were right. And then we realized that I was wrong on the second second part, and they took a while. But they finally named Greg Williams defensive coordinator the Abram head coach team have a long way to go. But they're the definitely have some signs of brilliance on that defensive side of the ball. I am even offense was out of the ball. I like what the sub and Mayfield or doing there. I like ward. And of course, Myles Garrett on the other side of the ball. But the Pittsburgh Steelers the ship those guys down pretty much now the first few the first quarter Nick sub had forty four yards. He ended with sixty five. Which they really they really settled down and shut him down Mayfield. He has a he has great awareness back in the pocket and on the run. He's he can do a lot of things. He's going to be dangerous team in the future and on the opposite of the ball. We know what they can do. But when you have like I like Myles Garrett, and you look and say, okay, he had a sack he without a good game. When you realize that that's sack was his only tackle of the day. You look at the other side of the ball and realize that guys like Ramon foster and. More like a hundred villain wave of who went one on one. If you part of the day with him had a great day. So the Pittsburgh Steelers were poised and ready to go, but they are facing next week. A team that always plays them tough in their home field and a team that has lost two games in a row. And I don't think are done yet when you have a wound Pm like this. They can be very dangerous. The Baltimore Ravens losing three in a row is going to be really tough. So I think you need to have four quarters of football against them. Tony, what do you think of that? Well, I I like I like to say about the line. I I can't say enough things about what Mike checks doing. Now. Just from bottom mentioned pig out on when he Garrett I mean, and he soon jobbing especially after what happened in week one. But what about met? The way that they. Super sub on the west. He didn't even doing it for years. Right. Once again, Tony were having trouble with your connection tonight. I'm not sure what the with the problem is with your connection. You know? I mean, does that make sense? You were next week's game is so paramount for this team. I think it's born. I think you know, we need to we need to do them a favor and the same that we didn't play is good as we could we faced in Pittsburgh. And we need to go there. And we need to, you know, take your business befo 'cause and play Votto fan commodity. They would win. I think they realize that maybe they realized that supporting. No, you know, what's really at stake as well. If they lose this game the Steelers that means that they will go ahead and have lost three divisional games. What that means for the Steelers head to head in a tiebreaker. That means that they have already won the division over the ravens in a tiebreaker, which you know with a tie. It's it's hard to think that there would be a tiebreaker. But as far as the division goes, they they're gonna have a definite advantage over that in the division that would be at that point. That would be they would be three one in one in the division with one game to play if the Steelers would go ahead and win that and that last game would be against Cincinnati at home on December thirtieth in week seventeen. So it's a fancy to give a knockout punch to that. Team. So that's what I know. They're going to go in and look to do and that week four game is something that is really sticking in their craw. So I would think that they would go ahead and just try to end it this season for the Baltimore Ravens as far as the AFC north goes. And with another law that could probably really knock them way even out of the wildcard situation with a serious run being needed Fito. Let's see what happens, and then you get the trade deadline tomorrow. When if they're gonna make any moves curious, you know, that that's I'm actually working on an article right now about that. I'll tell you who is going to make moves and that's the New England Patriots. And they're gonna make big moves. They're going to get a receiver. They're talking about a defensive back. I think it behooves Kevin Colbert the Rooney's Mike Tomlin to look at look at a defensive back in. I think ginormous Jenkins is definitely on their mind. I had a discussion with Jeff Hartmann the other day on our preview show, albeit brief he does not like the idea of janoris Jenkins. I kind of do just for the fact that you need to short up already burns didn't play it all yesterday. He only played on special teams. But the reason for for that was the fact that he he was late for a. Walk through. So he was being punished for that. But that defense, you know, they put. They they gave up eighteen points to the Browns. But if you look at it that boxed special teams play boss by all three of those guys. Knicks Dabie and Ryan Switzer that was that was the team bucks by just not realizing the roles Switzer went ahead and took responsibility for that. But I think they all need to take responsibility for them play. In fact, I think Antonio Brown was the biggest culprit on that play Switzerland Switzerland's going and taking the taking the blame. But as far as everything goes, they gave up eighteen points. But that situation went ahead and gave the Browns great field position. Also, the other touchdown was in garbage time with I excuse a lot of a lot of touchdowns in garbage time. When teams just trying to get something on the board. So. That point that was very good defensive performance for that team. We'll see what they do in the trade bed line. I don't know. My gut is saying that they're going to do something mid level. You need something to come back, and what's going to be happening with Bill Belichick in New England. 'cause they're gonna do something big. Tony, what do you think about that? I I think you're right as far as the mid level acquisition. But if I'm gonna if I'm gonna be that Jenkins or what's the guy's name from Oakland. Conley. I think his name Jerry in Conley. Yeah. I mean, why not just promote Cam Sutton to to the other starting corner opposite of Joe Haden. Nothing. I would do. I mean, they seem very high on him. And now that you have you had more than Burnett fach for the league for the future. And they ask a lot of. Burnett as far as a secondary. So that every Sutton up to the that's what I would do. I would just try to promote from within. But but I agree with you. I think they are going to make a new at a mid level cornerback, and I'm I I guess I like it because it definitely gives him a another veteran presence in the secondary. But if. Left me with Cam Sutton. Then you know, they we're gonna see how healthy Cody central is going into the next game. But when it was cody's looks like Cody is the going to be the guy at that cornerback position right now and Sutton came in when he was hurting was not already birds veto. Thank you so much for your time thinking, we have we have some more thoughts on the trade deadline. We're going to get to to hoping to talk to you next week. And we'll talk soon you're gonna. I was always a hall of fame color veto from New Jersey love talking to him. And I knew he would have some pointing things to say, you know, we are kind of got off track here as for as the normal rundown with grades valedictorian. We're gonna get to all of that. But let's continue to talk about the trading deadline because we've guy likes the Mary Thomas could be going to New England. The the patriots the eagles. The Steelers are all rumored to be looking at corners mixed me wonder when I think about the Mary Thomas. I'm wondering about the Steelers bringing in a rental wide receiver because here you go. You have a clear number one. You mccleary number two. And you have a number three James Washington that did not even get a hat. He didn't get a uniform yesterday. They brought something hunter in do sees that position. And they talked about it on the broadcast. Tony that you know, he really that. Then talked to him and said, this is your chance to seize the position. I think you, and I both would agree that he didn't do anything to see that spot. Ryan Switzer is there as a as a slot receiver? Forget tree for small ball. He's gonna be valuable, but he's not gonna take the top off the defense and neither could a guy like ill. I Rogers if he is healthy enough to play. In fact, I really don't even consider him an option the way he played at the talent of last year. So could you see a possibility where they go ahead and go it gets convention and bringing a wide receiver. I would love it. Because if you remember two years ago when they had all the injuries that are to their receivers not named interning Brown. They they really struggling in. They had to rely on Belsen much pretty pretty on Kobelco output. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So so I would like it. Because like you said Justin hunter his to knows famous plays this year, and they were valuable place where I'm blocks on touchdown. And that's nice. They they really need production from that service Huber spot at their offense continued to move forward. It's nice that they've compensated with with Vance, John he and that's pieced anymore, and it gets the bone. But I think they're going to need if not to go out and get three receiver like like, you said to marry his Thomas, and I think it wouldn't take much to get him and say much I mean like a second or third round pick would be what I would do that for somebody like him. But if they don't if they don't do that you're going to have to have production from James Washington down the stretch. And so far we haven't seen anything from him over the first seven game. And I don't know if that's because I've a lack of trust with between from bedr- officer's perspective or just he's not on the details. They want in terms of flocking like Justin hunter has been to do. And if that's the case. And he may not see a hat down the stretch. And that's not true because I think they really gonna need him or somebody like I somebody to emerge number three receiver. Justin hunter what you what you get going to get much more from him. I think it's gonna have to be James Washington. If not then you're right. You know, it's inching see if they do something tomorrow. Bring a veteran of the Mary Thomas or somebody maybe a little less for talent. Tobin Benjamin, someone like that. You know that? I mean, guys like that the offer that possibility I I don't know how sexy that is to a lot of people. But maybe it seems scenery for one of these guys would be good. And I would I wouldn't have a problem was a rental now, let me ask you this. The you play defense with a pick with a trade like that. When I say play defense, try to grab somebody just so the patriots don't get them. That's something Steelers wouldn't normally do. But you gotta think about I think tomorrow, you gotta go against convention just because you know, they're going to do some stuff and you've got to fight fire with fire. You can't just sit back and do nothing while they bring to three guys in and they're not afraid to do that. They've never been afraid to do that. So Tony would you play defense? If you're the GM of the Steelers and go ahead and bring a big gun into try to look ahead to that game in December. And look ahead to a possibility of of the playoffs against it. Oh, absolutely. Because I mean, the already they already quickly snatched up Josh, Gordon when he was released, and and you know, if it is it's kind of a name that you said, I marry Thomas that that that would obviously help them almost immediately. It would definitely make receiving core stronger. And you don't wanna do anything you make make the patriots a stronger team. I mean, I think the Steelers have turned the corner. They're definitely that. They can now start preparing at least for playoff run, you know. So you wanna make your team better? And you also want to prevent other teams getting better that you're gonna have to January. And and and you know, but I guess the the only caveat would be what would they give up because somebody like that? You get minimum player you get somebody. I mean, the Mary Thomas his his last contract. Did he I think it's twenty sixteen. It's pretty substantial. So it was it was bringing in a player making a lot of money. What would you have to get up for the first or second round pick? What's happening? That would be a Kyle. We have to for a guy like to Mary Thomas. I mean the matrix seem to get guys for fifth and sixth rounders. It's it's just absolutely amazing. Yeah. Same on the Dallas Cowboys for giving up a one on Amari Cooper. I I think that's giving a lot of teams hope that they're going to go ahead and get a number one out of a guy that is not. I mean longer number one how because I would've never I would've thought three would three would be read along the lines for a guy like Amari Cooper at this point. Tony, let's we've another call on the line. We're going to get to that. In just a moment. Let's go ahead and quickly do grades for the offense defense and special teams and a world valedictorian as far as that goes. Let's just start with valedictorian. I kinda think this is a no brainer. So I'm gonna let you sounded out. I'm going to either. Concur, or we're sitting my case for somebody else. But go ahead. That'd be games kinda right? Yeah. Two hundred twelve yards from making everybody forget about maybe about pretty quickly. Yeah. Absolutely. James cover just had an amazing day still still combining combat running with a with speed and finesse. I thought he had a beautiful day as a pass blocker as a past protector as a runner as a receiver. I think this guy right now is the MVP over the Steelers in I would be surprised if the team would not vote for him. He is your definite valedictorian giving rate of the offense. I'm gonna go ahead and give them an a minus Justa just for the fact that the they didn't start no matter. What reason it could be whether it was rough from the off whether it was because of a heavy hearts and. And what have you there the they played three quarters that offense played three quarters yesterday. Tony. But I thought it was overall. It was pretty close to a dominating performance. Once they got rolling. I'm gonna I think they deserve a minus. Yeah. I agree with that. You know? I mean, we can't keep having kind of slow starts in the first quarter. They knitted seven yard. I retreive. You're not going to be very many teams by doing that. But they did rebound pretty pretty well. And at four hundred yards every last quarters and thirty points, though. Yeah. Eight ninety about right? You know, once, you know, last time around we gave we gave the valedictorian crown to the entire offense of wine. I'm going to go ahead and give them. Honorable mention once again on a roll status, but I want to point out to guys on that offense of line. They were all amazing Ramon decastro penalty. Those guys were amazing. But let me talk about the tackles Alvin villain wave. And we talked about this before only gave up one tack was a sack, and I thought Ben actually held onto the ball a little too long. It could've been didn't have to be sack. But it was only one tackle on the day. Myles Garrett is to be a world as a defender. I think he is going to me multiple times offensive player of the year in the future. Big Al great game. And you you gotta talk about Matt filer something in playing for Marcus Gilbert, and they call him the anchor. I guess 'cause he years fig physical specimen, and that is his dick name. I don't know where he got that. Whether I whether the bloomsburg where that where that came up, but the anchor had a great game as well. As far as other guys on offense. I mean, you have good game. I'm not gonna give honor roll though Antonio Brown. Definitely. And that's about it for me. I mean, I had a lot of I heard a lot of people give game balls to Vance McDonald again on Vance had another nice day know, he's one that can merit mention for it. But right now, I'm looking at those four guys James Connor. I'm looking at aby filer, I'm willing villain away about and you know, what I'm gonna throw in big bend. 'cause he put it all together quarter to three and four. So that's the offense. We're giving them an eight. Minus. What's your defense of great? Tony I and I think the way the way they held the Browns out of the end zone in the first quarter. When variously could've you know, giving up a touchdown like they had some other teams in panic. The ravens the chiefs, and I think they held the ninety eight yards after that after that first quarter first quarter feel all the way through into that. Like, you mentioned the garbage time. Touchdown ninety eight yards to me. It was a performance there. One legit touchdown came under short field after that ridiculous gaffe on special teams in the free kick. So no, I I love the how the Joe Haden. I mean, we talked about Jarvis Landry and in week one. And what he did to Artie burns well yesterday because Joe Haden this covering him, so Hayden if you're talking about VP, here's no question who had its member twenty three. Have you bet? You know, it is. And I agree with you. But I wanna give strong armaments to bud depre-, bud. Great day, you know, hit a sack I guess in the heat gets credit for the other sack. I believe on the safety. But look like a man among boys yesterday. I know he was playing against that's been Harrison a good bit, a rookie left tackle. But I really like what bud could do if he can do that over the next nine games look out that is a lot stronger. But everything you said, I've gotta say, yes, I'm gonna add one more guy to that list. And look out just when you thought that he was, you know, slipping up security Stefan to it another big week. He looked great against the Bengals look great again yesterday with some big tackles looks like I oh, I know I'm use this phrase a lot. But he looks like a minimum boys as well. And I. Really liked what he was doing. So those three guys stood out the most for me. I don't think my missing anybody there. Tony. No. Yeah. I'm glad you mentioned by decree because it seems like he's the new poster child for anything that goes wrong. Steelers defense and anytime Twitter even TSE by the free freight, but he had a really great yesterday. And he's he's a I think he's really benefiting from being on the right side. So I'm glad you mentioned him. Yeah. I think he's coming alive. And I think already burns has done him a favor as well. As I think you slightly because I think already the brand new poster child, and you and I are age you, and I are or exactly the same age. And I know you were just like me you follow the Steelers in the nineteen eighties. And there was a guy that were number thirty three and his son plays in believe it's for Duquesne possibly. I mean, he his the junior version of this this fellow but Harvey Clayton was the guy back in the back in the eighties. The cornerback that they blamed everything on. He was the whoa of the defense in league, eighty five eighty six and more Murphy couldn't get a break. And I think I think already burns our new Harvey Clayton. But I I wish Harvey Clayton the best, and I I wish already burns to get it all together because I think he is a class individual. He just needs to get things together. And I sure this trade talk talking about the defensive back for bringing another corner is probably affecting him. Even though he's he's saying that it is. And but this really isn't about already already didn't really play yesterday. But but pre game as well. Special teams. I'm giving them a see. I'm just gonna leave it at that. I will say that Jordan berry had some pretty good punts. He he didn't play a little bit better. He had some ugly ones too. But a guy who did not have game was Chris Boswell? I'm thinking of a monkey might finally be off of his back. But I'm not I need one more week to completely say that. But that's special team gaff with Rosie mix calling the. The fair cats, and then then Switzer back off because he thought AB was coming in for it. I think AB kind of owned that a little bit that he was not eating own the mistake. But he he kind of I don't wanna see bully them out of the way. But he he basically overrode him. Let's say that. It's like if you didn't get your never got into Andrew mccutchen sway in the outfield. Right. You know what? I mean, you always get those guys deferred to him. And I think that's what's was doing. And then they both go the that's inexcusable that can't happen. But this is what I like about a guy like Ryan Switzer. He took the full blame. He's like look I didn't completely. No the roles that snow excuse. I should I should have known. What was going on? That will never happen again. I love the accountability of Ryan Switzer. So I'm gonna give him. I. Him even better. Now after that, you know, these guys are gonna make mistakes I make mistakes every single day. It's just doesn't go into highlights and bloggers and media talking heads. Don't talk about the mistakes, I making work all the time and trust me I make. But here's the deal. These guys these guys are under microscope, and he's like I own it not going to happen again. I trust them. I trust him even more. Now, I love having that guy back there, and he's going to break when this year with that being said overall effort, I think you gotta go with. You can go with an a minus because just a result just with the landscape. Let's just give them an A. That was the performance that they needed coming off of a by very proud of that performance yesterday despite some works, but I'll still take with that being said waiting patiently on the line, another good friend from the Garden State. You know him you love him. No. So you're my friend. What's up guys from jersey? We knew it was you can I just wanted to intro. I wanted you to say that was really good. I'm pretty good. Great. I'm doing well doing well. Enjoyed watching the game. You know? It's funny. Like it was so when when I turned the game when? Actually, I started watching it probably about halfway in. So I was watching from the beginning when it was about, you know, maybe in the second quarter. So I didn't hear anything about this world hill community. I didn't know anything. He just felt weird the whole first quarter like the hair was out of the stadium. Like that is it's really felt weird. I was like man like these guys have really not a safe from the by. I just thought it was all that knowing what happened. I think you have to put a little bit on, you know, the the. What happened in that community in the players have to just kind of go through that with them because it just didn't happen. So although yes, and feel is in the flow that was probably a little bit in there. But I it just it's so weird. Like the says, so they didn't have any energy. So it was a weird chili just watching once as as a fan on TV. But I think it was the Steelers most complete game. I really do think a lot of the fear of any better, not loosen Cleveland. And you know, this is desperation Cleveland, and if they can get it. They just say, and it was beautiful to see it should have been worse. You know, there was a couple of things like that. Especially teams play. I think there was something else along the way. Like, it was a couple of things it could've been worse. What thirty three to eighteen sported the in overall. I think the really. Defended. Well, Morgan Vernet get the scene in the game. Get out of the game. He played a lot. So. Yeah. And and like you said he'll J Connor looking better. I like to see him at the end of the game. Just like imposing his will difference. I don't think we've seen that consistently. You know, lady on can do that at the end of games. It's like shut guys, and he just get you more lives. So he started doing that. So that was good to see. You know? And that was that was the most important thing in his touched on that drive. The way he ran after that mistake. He didn't make the mistake with the way he took over you're right. It was shades of lady on, but it was shade of just a complete winter and one that you felt like is like what do you to proclaim? This is his team. And I really feel like that's right. 'cause I mean, this is fourth quarter football, and he's real off Ted and fifteen twenty he's making things happen over and over and over that late in the game. He wasn't gassed he was just a they were done. They were completely done. And he was the guy who emphatically put the put the end to that game. The all of he completely demoralized Cleveland at the end. And so as far as I'm concerned that was the guy. Going forward that you still you're gonna give a hat to every week. No matter who else is in that locker room until the other than other players from him. You can't take the season away from this guy at this point. Thank you can appreciate it. No problem. No problem. And I just I just called in. So did you guys already talking about the Browns fire in the coaches? Yeah, we did briefly. And I don't know we didn't talk about this one staff, and I didn't wanna go ahead and bring that up. It's amazing. The last six head coaches of the Cleveland Browns have been fired right after losing their second meeting with the Pittsburgh Steelers that that that incredible step to me? That's that is crazy. It's crazy really is. I mean, so bad and. And. Yeah. You know, what I 'cause I watched hard knocks and I really enjoyed. I really enjoyed Todd Haley during in tyre thing. And I kind of felt like he was unceremoniously dropped here. I thought that was Ben's firing. If you asked me, but without getting all into that. I I kinda root for wacky. Todd as Bryce used to brace over on the zany Todd. I thought it was wacky. Todd. So matter what was. Crazy. Here's a police. Right. You need to call you need to get into the game. Whether it was wackier eighty so. Nonetheless. I can't think that guy is Irving other shot. NFL team. And I I was hoping it would be Cleveland. I kind of root for the guy. But as far as that goes. Yeah. That team was a mess. Hugh Jackson in the problems that Hugh and Haley had them from hard knocks. Maybe that wasn't the best idea for that franchise, especially it made Hugh Jackson, look bad, but that team's gonna eventually get it together. And when they do they're going to be dangerous, but it's it's not this year taking baby steps, but it's just definitely not this year. That's the last thing I've seen this. So Todd Haley lasted six years in Pittsburgh on the difference. The condom man, the kind of leader that might Tomlin is still be able to work, you know, affectively Todd Haley over on that time these things the media doesn't talk about. So I just wanted to put that out now like couldn't even last half seen with Hugh, you know, last six years when my time you didn't hear anything about any insubordination. Any Rhys meantime in Haley at all with all the stuff that came out of pitch for no one's ever heard that one. You know, what I in? Thank you. Thank you for bringing that up. Because now that you say that I cannot tell you a rift that Mike Tomlin has ever had in every single season. This is eleven season for this is twelve actually this is season. He's never had a rift that I know of the they try to make a rift with him and aeriens, and it really wasn't because area and I've seen folk blindsided by that whole thing, but they never had a problem with each other. They always said that he was going to have a problem with thick LeBow when he came in and Tomlin was was smart enough and was respectful enough to go ahead and say, hey, I'm not gonna mess with a tried and true method of I'm not gonna mess with dick lebeau, and he'd Dopp did his defense and. Brought it in they had great success together. But I don't know of anybody as a coach even a disgruntled coach that that left. No areas was disgruntled, but airings is just disgruntled guy, but I don't know of anybody that if you could come up with one I will be shocked. I agree. Well, thanks, can we will talk to you next week after what is hopefully a win over the the Baltimore birdies. So I have a great one, buddy. All right. You too. I'm gonna. You can. That's a great question. I mean, you know, I'm so glad Ken brought that up because my Tomlin does not get credit for the week. He treats his his assistant coaches, and I would think that these guys love to work for this guy. Yeah. That's a great point. I mean, you never hear. I mean, I love the car. We all however, he had a lot of turnover on this coaching staff at you know, they're they're always rumors that heating they really necessarily get along with him. And then of course, there was staying power or him, and Tom Donahue, the the defacto general manager at the time. You don't hear anything like that with Tom Hugh Jackson last week when he basically threw out Haley under the bus and his press conference. And I'm basically said I'm going to take over to play calling my mom would never in a million years. And that's that's the difference between hand, and most coaches, and the NFL my common, you could say what you want about his and os and strategy, and it's probably time in that's probably unfair. But he's a great leader of men, both his assistance and his players. There's a reason why he's always up there when it comes to the the the opposing coach that players. Play for he's always up there number one. And number two. That's not an accident. The guys just a great leader in men's and and even keep about there there there have been rumors that you know, he took over the play calling. He's calling plays a yet to ever say that he always says knows keep probably what is true or not. We'll never know. But at least he's he doesn't his his his guy under the bus and as far as the Todd Haley firing that I mean, he Jackson catching guard. I've kind of expected that. But I thought after last week it would be like an either or thing. Hugh Jackson was fired and Todd Haley would stay on the fact that he got fire to kind of really shocked me because they really kind of handcuffed him this year. They they gave him a rookie quarterback which might benefit in. They all took away, Josh, Gordon, and and and Carlos high. So I've kind of got got short trysted there by getting fired today. You know? 'cause if they don't have just Gordon they're not beating the Pittsburgh Steelers. She'd be they're not tying the Pittsburgh Steelers in week one right notice I said beat because I still feel that that was a loss. Even though he goes as a tie in the record book and thank goodness goes tie in the standings. So, you know, a lot of great things we talk about as far as on the field action. Very proud of this football team. I'm really proud of the way that that they pick themselves up because you know, what? If something like that. If I were to play yesterday, I would have been in a law it we're taking me a while as well. In fact, I think I think you and I both showed evidence of that. Just starting this podcast. It wasn't or normal hoopla. Usually is because we thought it as well. So I mean for this team to just pick themselves up, and I give that their city a reprieve. I'm you know, I'm very proud of them. I'm proud of the other organizations the what what the paying we're going to be doing this week as well as far as not doing all the Halloween stuff. But making more about, you know. Fundraising and more about the community for the tragedy tomorrow night. That's something that I think is great as well. But with being said. Are still playing football and you in the face of a tragedy like this. It's it's good to find something to hang onto like following a sports team and next week the huge game for this team. And I think it's one that it's not going to it's not like the Cincinnati game in the Atlanta game that we talked about the break their season earlier on they could afford to lose this game. But they don't want to they want to start rolling. And if they beat Baltimore next week, they're officially on a roll, Tony. So let me ask you this straight up or they going to be on a roll next week. Or are they going to you fall back on? I don't wanna see the roller coaster, but just fall back a little bit. Fragging going to thank you for your your kind words and your point where it's about everything that happened the other day on Saturday. I was just really really meaningful. Pittsburgh's a resilient community. And and they often they're kind of reflective of the Steelers. They always sounds back in about back from this. I just wanted to take that as far as next week. I I kinda have gone that they're gonna they're gonna they're gonna they're catching Arabia right time. You mentioned that you know, that you're gonna lose three in a row the Raymond because they've lost two games in a row, but I kind of feel they're gonna they're catching the right time. Like when when like how they came into Heinz field week four and in cut Steelers at the right time, and they were floundering around trying to find their way. And I think that's what's gonna happen. Weeknights thing I don't I don't see this being your typical twenty four to twenty one twenty four twenty three kind of game. I think it's gonna be a lot like it was last year and week four in Pittsburgh down to Baltimore. And and control the game from beginning the end, I think we're gonna see next week. I I really look for dominant performance, and we will be talking about a team on a roll next week into sign. That's just my personal feeling. Maybe it's maybe it's Monday. And I'm, you know, I don't know. But I just got I feeling it. It's gonna be a great game for Pittsburgh Steelers Sunday brand. I'm willing to go twenty four twenty two Steelers. I just I think they could win this game to of course, I'm going to be cautiously optimistic, but I feel so much better about this game than I did in week four. I did not I did not believe in them in week four like I believe in this team now. And once again, do you think based on what you said the you think that they play complete four quarters next week? Yeah. I mean, I'm not saying you're gonna win you know, like hot touchdown. I think they're really going to to exert their or or force their will on on on the on the ravens like I did last year. And we really gonna show that they are the team to be in the AFC north and I look for a two or three scores victory. That's just how I just had that kind of feeling right now. That's what they're going to be the ravens thanks for catching that right time. My hope for next week. Tony actually my hope for right now. I hope just like in in the rocky movies. I believe it was rookie to when or did rocky put Apollo's picture up on the mirror Drago and rocky four. I'm not sure which one, but I hope that show. Hayden has a picture of John Brown up on his mirror right now. And then goes ahead and crumbles it on Sunday and ready to go in for a battle because that is going to be one fun better to watch. But thank you so much for the kind words that you said to me, I appreciate that. You know, Pittsburgh, you have been in my heart since I was born I've never officially lived in the city, but I've spent most of my life there, and I get there all the time, I western Pennsylvania, and I will always be a western Pennsylvania. And when the. Tragedy comes like comes in like, this it hits home and it hits home for the entire US. But this is one of the first times it's hit like this. And we as a community we are going to stay Pittsburgh strong. And we were going to prove that is stronger than hate, and we're gonna do it together. And we're going to we're gonna have faithfully Vido suggested. And we are going to continue to be one. And I love my Pittsburgh brothers and sisters. I love my football organization and praying that that we have good fortune in good faith going forward. So with that being said, I am Brian Anthony Davis for behind the still curtain, my good friend. Tony few. He was here to Pittsburgh resident, and you know. Tony were we're praying for the city, and we're praying for you as well. Taking my friend. Like, I said we will bounce back 'cause very strong community. And we will move forward. Talking. And once again, I thank you, Tony. And I can't say it enough Pittsburgh is stronger than hate love your Pittsburgh. We'll see you next week. Hopefully, it is great a great game. Once again, I guess a team in my current state where I live in the Baltimore Ravens. 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She touched Brian any way or was flirty or something but she's engaged he's engaged I don't know why she would ever do that but was famous this is the Ben Nationally I almost famous podcast with iheartradio Hello Ladies and gentlemen that's the kind of thing where I'd be like you know why we're not friends because she touched prion totally and I want to like speakers side tell us what happened raven out there this week so much I I think I love Colton Colton is is serving up some drama I like to lent on watch what happens live with Andy Cohen and she says that she will never be friends with Raven Gates again if you guys remember they were good friends on Nick. VLC Hot topics before we get Matt Donald from Hannah Brown season and be Ip season six who you may remember how to relationship was a Sydney and is knowing sales people had to visible dot com slash almost famous to get twenty dollars off your first month service when you sign up that's visible dot com slash something bad yeah but here's the thing what could she have done bad so the for what I said I was like well unless she like hooked up with Brian I exactly es Ashley and Ben is in Honduras this week so he's not here but I am joined by our lovely producers story in Danielle and we're going to hit up the bachelor so I can't even think of a girl brain like in my mind to be like Oh then this would be the next thing like I'd if it's not a boy I ends responded saying I think she likes me which is funny but I will say when I think of Rachel I don't really think of positive or light but we did start this conversation out by saying that in Colton is the one that's been Sassy and this is because not not only was this just a juicy tidbit that we got from Rachel she unfolded Raven on Instagram and she you know was not the wedding and there is speculation that they weren't friends anymore we don't know what that is and rates yeah it was like that that's not cool you can't say that there's a reason your opening out there if you are just almost saying it all you could legit just be put out there she would never put it out there because she promised she wouldn't put it out there so I don't know what this all means you are putting it out there putting it out there like forgivable because if we're the girl round we're like oh it's for sure because boy exactly sure because of a boy married and engaged yeah you know at a sterling to talk about it we just went our separate ways then that's like more of a casual but it's like I will never be friends Rachel wants people to know that Raven did mark because one time Rachel allegedly to use the Wendy Williams were all on watch what happens live but then Colton responded making it even juicier sang that is right Ryan but it's I when I think of her I think negative really like she's kind of a negative person I'm here for I love it I love that she speaks her mind to speak upon is being like hey you know I I don't really like Colton has been the next bachelor I'm not a big fan of that I think is because of the age which is fine Rachel like anyone he wrote it on instagram under a photo about this drama said this does Rachel like anyone nick vile has said I think that she does kind of bring a lot of and I get it you kind of need to bring a lot of the the negative parts of something to light and I think that's what she feels like she needs cower on team Colton right now because he's speaking his mind I'm all for that I feel like sometimes people that are the bachelorettes or the bachelor they play it safe and spoke crap about Colton to cassie and she hadn't even met Colton and real life Oh yeah there's that too I don't know why it just seems like she's kind of caddy over saying some things let's dive further into a Colton said he said that he made that season and then they were tight after the fact they were going on vacations and stuff out there a lot of companies degree yeah and then all of a sudden there's like this is me go you know I I do love her for that I do love that I think you can do it and I don't I don't know warning signs or like what you should be looking out for where maybe she was trying to be kind of sisterly with it but it just kind of is like well that's my boyfriend already so saying something I feel like in the bachelor it's like nobody really understands that nation as well as being an aunt so people try to help you out but it can come off wrong yeah it's vague it could be we don't really know how this conversation went down I also kind of feel like when you're in the bachelor nation you feel like you can speak upon things probably more freely like she's like oh I went through this so let me give you some of the a show we email at email ben and Ashley at I Heart Media Dot Com yeah 'cause I want to know what do people think I friend of a friend yeah she dated him and it ended really badly like a girlfriend girlfriend then no no she was a girlfriend that like as Oh oh a way maybe Rachel or Raven said something about a concern before she got married for our listeners to think of what they think the situation y yet allegedly stories yeah we need people to dig in and really big in my opinion yeah it was like you don't know the guy she her his girlfriend clearly loves him so why are you trying to be an instigator in that sense it's all to come out and tell us yeah yeah there's so many rumors circulating now she has to speak her truth to make Danielle's Day I mean Raven we would love to have you on here it out come on and then next week we're going to read all the emails of the speculations maybe they'll get they'll be so bad that raven will just happen in many ways but it is fun for us to walk on just say I wanNA know Raven Our next hot topic Hannah Brown says that she only had seventy dollars in the bank when she became the Bachelorette she told us to Mary Claire Magazine that I bow you mean Rachel did it has not met Colt home whereas thing yeah I don't really like about him that's pretty distasteful messy she said she initially wanted to be a broadcast journalist but by the time but her time was always consumed by her Miss Alabama USA duties and she also had an interior design job that happen how slide into cast DM's maybe no I think that she met Cassie in real life but I don't know this is all speculation alleged not recently had the bank balance of seventy dollars when she agreed to star on season fifteen of the Bachelorette she was obviously fresh off Colton season her career was Elena's she's just moved to La and she's excited to be able to move on to a new city and just see where life is going to take you like the fact that Colton is talking back I think it's it will again it is entertaining for us yeah and it's a refreshing for people to like kind of just bite back can we aww Matt McDonald Donald after this what's the difference between people who prioritized self care and those who don't is it finally fitting into their skinny jeans is it Vanity Superior Willpower a big fat bank account at mind body they know it's a none of those things mind body understands that true wellness like maybe it was like oh I think Brian's doing this for maybe it was like the reverse like we thought maybe raven was like flirting with Brian but maybe Raven told Rachel I I'm Latin like we're just overly like yeah affectionate yeah like I could see I don't know I could see that yeah yeah or maybe she was of the mind body up to bring you closer to the fitness and wellness experiences that matter the most because wellness is not a destination concerns are or whatever whatever vague thing she said to cass about Colton maybe that situation happened her from Raven and then it was like you can't come back for that marrying the guy you've already said what you think find a job after Grad school from the two bone horn the top broadcasting school in the country and I I was I was very much he minutes of peace for the new mom in her hairdresser's chair though well earned massage after a crazy month at work that is the basis comes from a focus on the journey itself the fifty minutes punching a bag instead of scrolling on instagram the yoga class shared with a friend the ninety it's an experience go to a mind body dot I O. 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Slash pod company she knew it wouldn't be easy to find someone to grow with her team that's why she went to Ziprecruiter Ziprecruiter doesn't depend on candidates finding you hiring give me a challenge as co founder Gretchen hubner discovered Gretchen needed to hire a game artists her education text finds them for you it's technology identifies people with the right experience in invites them to apply to your job so you get qualified candidates fast get weird vibes from Brian or you know it's kind of weird he's very he's a chiropractor Ri- touchy person and he's Latin and I could say sure I really relate to her on that like wow spirit animal little bit yeah and I love these I mean who was it I think it was Chris Pratt who is living ziprecruiter get a quality candidate within the first day you can see why Ziprecruiter is effective for businesses of all sizes you can try ziprecruiter for free polling places like I don't know how I'm Gonna I'm I can't believe I'm not getting a job right now is is insane and then castle and the bachelor and counting my lucky stars every day since Blah Blah but I will say we that a normal guy I don't think that you should take that personal there's so many times where my friends like oh I'm kinda talking to this guy like Ooh we are joined right now by the lovely Matt Donald How how many people like if you were to give percentage call you Matt McDonald yeah it's it's a lot I if I can put it in like a percentage aw I had a six month internship which was non paid and I was like job searching for four months just couldn't has van in Hawaii same tiffany haddish and it's like oh I love those rags to riches stories they deserve it you bust your ass off and now you're here you know and obviously it worked I will say maybe seventy is a lucky number I will also say that like when I was cast on the show was a year after I graduated from Grad School Gretchen posted her job on Ziprecruiter and said she was impressed by how quickly she found qualified applicants. I know that Ben uses a recruiter all the time for Jenner's coffee and just talking about this is making me realize that I should probably go on there and find somebody to help me out with wordpress I really need help with creating my website make no you're wrong my name's Matt Donald Yeah but I get it all the time all the time Matt McDonald I get like the old farm boy my song I like Introduce Myself Donald Don whatever she was Matt McDonald Nice to meet you and I was like no it's Matt Donald and I probably came off I gotta Say I'm pretty sold on using Ziprecruiter to find the next person I need to hire four out of five employers who post on age probably like first time I ever meet somebody actually Hannah Abi I still think like one of the reasons why I got cut so quickly the first argue not no I actually am so glad this is great by the way because you have an awesome platform super happy to be here you have a ton of badge nation followers so I can really ends you just WanNa take a risk take a leap and go for it all right well we have a very special guests next his name is thing like will you played into the farm boy because you showed up on a tractor which makes us all feel like you're from a farm land ziprecruiter dot com slash ben that ziprecruiter dot com slash V. E. N. ziprecruiter dot com slash. Ben These smartest way to hire is in a bridesmaid so then Raven got upset that's not it all right well that would shut down thank you yeah thank you next to she says that now she needs to hustle make some money but you do know what better than seventy dollars in dancing with the stars does pay pretty well till I talk about some stuff that aired that IRV like just like to perception and stuff like that I am not a farmer I way too a I don't want to like chew myself down but I just not the Kinda guy likes get down and dirty so not a farmer L. Great falls okay so I know exactly what you're talking about it gets really rural yeah that side of Maryland Yeah so we actually had a bring your tractor to school day impair high point and GM you to each other say they're like two more schools I went to Syracuse for Grad school and I like to consider that my like homeschool okay thank you I'm about six one six deal with with the right shoes on but Yeah no I I don't recall saying that but you know what about Brian and Carrie but yeah because she was talking to cassie saying here's what her okay it's a pretty big school was like what ten exte- thousand sixteen yeah they had a huge football stadium for sixteen thousand yeah they're trying to like get up get the hype up for sure yeah back then back then all the town years ago which is actually a frigate long time didn't have it but no I never felt connected love Jamie whole process has been a huge blur to me maybe I did say it just trying to catch the catch the hearts of America I don't really know it also says in your bio I so you did grow up in a rural area you in your bachelor bio call yourself a old fashioned guy who loves to bring flowers to a girl in the first when home after like four days after the reaction I saw everything and everyone's like oh my gosh the worst bachelor Bachelorette they do this for rail he does not also thinks that it would be creepy totally aggressive I I'm totally funny how people are so quick to judge and those pictures have been forgotten like nobody remembers those pictures I will say that girls are always telling the a believer and flowers and stuff like that like most of the girls that I've dated in the past like a real relationship do you like the Oh happy like one month happy to mind like with flowers but dr and to be able to be like here's where I am and I'm just going to go on the show to see to see what come about like what happens are but when I said did you grow up on farms at yeah so I grew up in a small town in Maryland western Maryland called Middletown I'm from northern Virginia Oh are you okay I think a lot of people were like Oh that's one of the cuter guys in this bunch especially based on this first picture all those first pictures were horrible you know what I have to say it seems like the never really connected a genuine glad that I went because it had the right fields like it had media arts and that's what I wanted to do in a lot of schools ESPEC- US ever were the these guys like off the street Blah Blah Blah and then when the show airs you know you start this might be the best bachelor cast we've ever seen like Blah Blah Blah so like that's how rule I was James Madison and all the towns around us to have bring your tractor to school day yeah I went to high points we used to drive by James First Day it's a little aggressive okay put that in your question an answer you desert trying to be super I don't I don't I don't recall actually putting that down I think the bachelor the bachelor season the girls are great like they I don't know if they have better lighting or if they're just that much better looking than than all the guy swear but it's was more so like I'm a very short person so whatever I wrote down was probably like they were like dude this person physically you're sure in writing and speaking in day every year they strive to do better and better photos yeah well I remember usually fail yeah well do you remember when the photos I come out I mean obviously I was like how how she turned us it's totally about a boy has to be has it has to be to maybe watching it which you watching it oh great great we've got more questions I took a hiatus I grew up watching the very first season with my mom and dad yeah it's very at least for me I being in front of the cameras was I couldn't even like whenever my friends would do snaps like snapshots I like get out of the way they want to be on camera and then aspect of like getting more comfortable with myself and knowing what I actually look like and like what the back of my head looks like and just like the little things that you don't really think about when you're living your did they life a two year Oh wow these people are actually a lot more relatable like they're not in college they're human beings they struggle with dating in the real world like just like how I was you own up there in the middle of nowhere plot of land and then like the football stadiums on the rights schools on the laugh driving north or South split by the highway. Yeah Yeah do you like it there we says a friend sign them up can I just find somebody else who just set I'm GONNA fill out that form for the bachelor yeah I mean I so right now we're just person pressured of you even before we saw you on the season these are released with your photo and will fully own up to it and say I I put my name in the hat me to me did you good I'm so we're honest about that I cannot I hate it when people then all of a sudden you go on camera so why did you sign up for this out yeah that's a great question so I'm not I'm not going to sit here and be like Oh you know through my name and Blah Blah Blah I don't cry ever and I am not trying to sound like a big bunch Oh man I'm just not that I just emotionally I'm just not I don't get to that point very often attorney and stuff there's no way I could ever let anyone knows not shell so I didn't watch too much of it during college but when I got back after school you're like twenty one point Lee bad that you're such a fan and it was something that you bond with your mom over and then you get eliminated night one and you know how easy it is to get him tonight one it's it it was I like laugh and it's it was kind of like going on in the show it's kind of it was it was bad being such a fan because tunnel or actually Joe Joe Season was when I really started to kind of team back in so did you watch this with your mom and bond over it over time Gary am like putting myself on broadcast television millions of people just like spin just the a big just my life has changed in terms of that in saline nominated so snoddy husband was nominee but he really truly was and the what driveway and the the mansion all it up it's the most surreal thing that could ever happen to a Bachelor Fan Yep it really is so now I feel still am so I've kind of tuned back into it and then these last couple of seasons of really started to to stay close I think it was like Rachel Lindsay season I started like from eight to ten on Monday nights were we're going to watch the bachelor the Bachelorette and that's like four my mom and was a good way for us to kind of come together and and watch and you know kind of just things about him by the way I'm good friends with Benzi okay he has nothing but like the greatest things to say about jared thank you but yeah I it's like everyone realized such a like the novelty of it so like you know the entrance up to Oh yeah like it's like the biggest and it doesn't help my producer was like you realize friends he doesn't look good pictures he hasn't looking at pictures but he's really cute in real life I just think that guy's Ab don't photograph especially in that environment like this point and shoot Tiga forty bucks a month is always forty bucks a month no hidden fees no lies just freedom they also don't have physical phone stores that means no waiting in lines or dealing nine yeah I mean it was like our Monday night thing right we all watch it together like my mom never watch TV but like the whole family knows I know jared jared okay but yeah it was it sucked I I knew going into it that I'm like not Mr and then washed it to like high school and then it wasn't cool to watch that kind of stuff in high school so I kind of stay away from it for a little bit and then college definitely wasn't caused I almost cried that now it's just like you never you just wonder what's wrong with you and why you suck dating and you know I'm not podcast for that this is like the most iconic night of reality television history well like yeah as in the trash my thanks man there is something crazy about one of those gates open oh for everything that happened I don't think I don't think it would have made it very far anyway just just for my personality I'm kind of more reserved do you feel like smooth and I'm not the one who's going to be like you know Mac daddy swagger like have all the right lines so it sucks I mean but I'm I'm super grateful if you watch it back it was it was Kinda like between me and John Paul Jones and looking back it's it's so funny because everyone was like a tour I personally was like really really rooting for her to be picked because she was she was from Alabama I actually my dad's side I was born Alabama on my dad's side really I saw she did like some sort of interview or something where she was talking about how like she thought it was bs that everyone was like Oh we're super happy that you were picked for the Bachelorette like all the guys saying that to look like people don't have roses or do have but like the final two standing there aren't always the final two that were standing there the dam like I literally just talked the whole time and like she's probably so tired of like everybody talking hurt your off so I think that had one big reason to do it down and I'm so nervous I hope I catch your top it's perfect with them grow grow here bro Bro they're here bro there that and then the song probably didn't hit it off but it's all right it's all good I got to go to paradise which is also I think everybody loved the song watching it why would you think that Hannah wouldn't be keep it up to make it look like yeah a showdown between two people and who's going to get the really get down to because you guys spoiler alert the ceremonies definitely edited sometimes he had a really great connection with her because he got the first impression but other than that like you don't see the conversations you don't see her she's talking to and stuff like that so it's hard to say but yeah totally is she even knew your last sort of name she has known anybody else's last SORTA true did it feel dump all Jones actually that's so nervous that I ended up talking about myself all the time oh no yeah so like when I walked away I remember like being like I gather from Hannah like what what about her now why the hell did she picked John Paul Jones John Dingle Hammersmith Blah Blah Blah really yeah I remember getting a lot of tweets like seeing a lot of tweets tagged in it and now looking jump I I actually don't know because like I never got it was so early on like we don't really get a like a good idea of like who she made connection with who she didn't I think it was obvious that Luke obviously who I am glad I'm Congress enough to I think I know the reason why she did boot me and I think it's just because like our one on one conversations grew up in Alabama so like I'm a huge crimson tide fan rotan did you roll tide with her the first nine now I actually I did I did in our conversation good but I do I'm glad I'm I'm so glad I did you know the way I saw I had to be memorable right like you have to go you have to go in there and you can't just be another guy just like shake their hand or gives gives her a hug and is that I was like you know what's funny worshiping you if you know what's funny is that there was so obviously that episode it came down to like me and John Paul Jones like you know how they like it it says your name and then walks in the man's house like you know what I gotTa do something and of course she couldn't she she didn't get my thought was Matt Donald well understandable oh everywhere bro Rose right there you would have been my first impression rose thank you yeah I know it it was all John's he's like the star of like it would have been the biggest mistake in the world they would not pick John Paul Jones I think she should have kept you both around think that thinks he asked you should have eliminated somebody else how good it feel though to see that first night when it aired how many people were just flabbergasted that she into this song singing old Matt die out of harm shoot Jonah Blank Oh no I'm ah yeah it was I was so nervous before that night that that was yeah that was tough because you don't you think you're going to get really embarrassed I the response was very overwhelming very very sweet everyone was incredibly supportive of You know Irish remember having so much anxiety because like it's very over everyone's been cool how is your mom when you got that call that you had finally made final casting I actually I didn't tell my family the phone call and so I didn't WanNa tell people so they could be like hey out like what's what's the status you know what I mean so I didn't tell him until like I was like hey guys just a awesome like you know going home first night on like a dating dating show is never cool I guess air quotes Cool Ah John Paul Jones entire Oh yeah well very very memorable Jones you come and go all right you guys are actually tied for my first impression because John it was cool did you joke about it with your mom like throughout life being like maybe one day I'll be on the ballot right that's what we did thirty pages I was just GonNa yeah thirty pages and the you're filling out paperwork you're here for like thirty six hours in a hotel didn't pick you you are the new grocery store I'm not okay I can't give you that okay let's apply it was similar yeah coming like it was it was incredibly overwhelming and you just don't really know how to anticipate it so it was it was really tweet everyone everyone's incredible how'd your mom feeling the salsa dancing to I don't I don't I honestly I must've been delirious when I was talking about all this stuff 'cause I I kind of know how to salsa dance but like not not well enough you're terrified of spiders what I guess you would just be out of the running for you know you just drop the money no thank you if you were right one you know it's funny I you know obviously when you go you don't have your own I got back that Sunday in Texas I have like a group text yeah and it's top fifty castings they're going to eliminate twenty five ish people from this group but everybody needs to fill out the question answer you say I'm doing it at the club every weekend okay let's clarify to our audience yeah where they come up with this bachelor out so you're sitting in the hotel room Sir you know that you did you you didn't have to Redo it for paradise did you oh gosh now I had to Redo it for I think my second season paradise and maybe Winter Games too because it had gone and you're filling out paperwork for I'm not even kidding you maybe eight hours and you at the end of it you don't even know how to respond to some of these questions so you're just kind of coming up with charts my Bachelorette career right there that whole bio I mean you've got it right they're locked and loaded on other people's obviously because it's very good for like stem cell research and health right yeah yeah so real you can become a more confident person or less confident person or like more egotistical prisoner or less egotistical I and all that stuff so they had to take I had to take multiple oh my gosh I I didn't tell anybody just because you don't like yeah well when you're casting for it you don't think there's actually a chance I at least for me personally I didn't think there was actually a chance that was going to happen until I got circle it and yeah just circle it in and that's and that's pretty much like I was just trying to get through that and then like do you remember that scantron that Personality Test Yeah Oh my gosh she did that right Snafu is I just got offered to go on on the Bachelorette and of course like the Mike you're joking I'm like no I'm serious so that's kind of how it happened with my family and I'm like yeah I'm back to like are you serious back already I'm like yeah I got eliminated and they're like oh we we still love you vulva boss L. Everyone's I it's been great so also says something that I'm sure that you were also delirious when you said I love ct and you haven't even better yet yeah wow what a great what grades complex wounds complex Burns using everything anything to reduce inflammation scar tissue it's basically what it's indicated for don't they now I got really what was one show that I used to always like want to go on and I was very vocal with my parents about fear factor like back in the day Oh well yeah I don't know I said that I was just really excited that Hannah Hannah's give me the Bachelorette she was definitely the one I wanted and I can honestly say that I know life I know she might not have thought that way about a lot of the guys saying that but like I was really pumped that that was going to be the Bachelorette that's awesome you're living in Santa Monica I mean it sounds interesting yeah yeah well I will say it was it's all like plans healthy MOMS healthy babies have you opt in a cave insiders it's more so it's more sort of like snakes I can't Oh really then why in your bio from that bio is very inaccurate how long have you lived in Santa Monica so I've there for two weeks now only two we just moved down here from where so I grew up on the east coast but I lived in San Jose for I don't really know but yeah no it's it's a there's a lot of research coming out on on Placenta I'd I know that there are you know people out there that do I don't know much about that like consuming it like I I would imagine you're by breaks it down there's hospitals throughout the country that have consenting MOMS healthy MOMS healthy babies that are doing c sections and they'll donate their tissue Oh real quick I know you're probably not actually super interesting is it surprisingly interesting okay so I got a lot of dams about this normally ask the mom if she wants to keep it for herself because it can be really gotten to like take in pill form I don't know it's not I don't know about was your how is your life different away that like people out here listening would be like oh wow that is significantly different lifestyle growing up with parents like that consensual tissue and umbilical tissue please rich in what so it's rich and stem cells growth factors like different proteins Collagen which is often used for what nations at the end of the ads really all that matters there's something about your life we haven't covered yet and that is the fact that you grew up with family who your your brother and your parents are both are about three and a half years okay so doing medical sales shops selling placentas no vocal cords can you explain this more of course you're selling ever silly thing pops up in your head so you must have been like I would love to learn to salsa dance but I can't imagine I'd be good at it honestly a a lot of the answers or just me trying to is very different lifestyle and it's not at all it's you know the only differences that we communicate via sign language not speaking with sign language your first they were to get married and have kids with the hearing person I think the chances are really low of me having a child I honestly don't know how Jeff and you grew up speaking sign language of them you're the only one who can hear in your family your mom my sister to Oh interesting so honest are speed rounds aren't necessarily speedy okay I like to use it as a way of just getting to know you better through like quick over a certain amount of time and because the show is supposed to transform you for better for word keep tabs Elliott Really of Gametime right now love Games we have two games for you okay one is more like a speed round of questions which is what we're going to start with and I'll be the words were signed so I kind of learned them side by side Yeah Awesome all right well Matt we are going to dive into a little bit issue in its benefits and stuff and I was kind of on the breaking edge of that and it was it was a really great experience seeing a lot of patients being helped has just that like I had a very awesome very good childhood my parents are very good Smith growing up and it yeah it's it's not it really is not everyone thinks it's like worked for the company anymore and it's not I didn't like fire anything wrong things I got fired but I just moving down here I just want a little bit of change of pace but I so is it hereditary you know what I get asked this all the time and I I don't I don't I don't know I I really don't know I don't think the chances of me if I I am not going to like abortion clinics or planned parenthood's to get placentas excessively not what I'm doing I'm not going to like ob clinic to grab placentas Jimmy Fallon if he has those lips in competitions okay do you use a Mac or PC computer Mac for sure yeah I mean that's it's hard I get asked a lot and it's kind of hard I don't have anything to compare it didn't have hearing parents growing up but I will say I did who is your celebrity crush that's tough you didn't give multiple options I've always and this is gonNA sound horrible but I did have the luxury of listening to like vulgar music at a much younger age and I mean that that I was like the guy on the bus talking about it I've been doing like the Ketogenic Diet so I said yeah exactly opened up a can of worms here so Dunkin doesn't have very kito friendly language th they kinda went hand in hand silent which definitely like for like some of the easy things like you know like milk and like more and food and stuff like that when I couldn't actually talk asa cancer yeah what was your best Halloween costume as we are in October oh best Halloween costume My my good friend and I unless she is she and I love her personality at least on modern family she she's just like so so energetic and I mean obviously very attractive to me with gray where like the Walkman unlike the new fifty cent get rich die trying CD explicit version so like everyone would sit around and we'd be like sharing a little headphones but other and I'm like super bonds because I would have loved that as a kid growing up you you made the right decision Jimmy Kimmel or Jimmy Fallon man that's a tough one hand snake hole for twenty four hours we'll say for a million dollars Oh man well it depends get through it you know like when you take a test and you're kind of just I mean at least for me I've never been book smart polite when you take a test it's getting to the end and you know you failed as you're like you know what screw it I'm just GONNA it point questions okay cool but some of them are really quick would you rather we'll start with fun ones prince or Michael Jackson like they're packed with sugar all of their ice drinks but damn there good taste wise taste wise Dunkin they just go to Dunkin right by my parents place back in Maryland it we thought that you're afraid of spiders so I did write down a spider hole or four million dollars so would you sleep in a spider talks right who's your best friend from your bachelor experience Oh man Well Luke stones about some move in into your place or your friends Ben Z and did he help you get on the bachelor now he didn't help he actually reached out he's he's such a good dude he reached out to me after the Bachelorette and ages ago too but I actually my grandma lived with my parents for the first couple of years and well she didn't live with us but she live close by Chewy kind of associate the Michael Jackson Dunkin or starbucks Oh man do you really I don't WanNa get in the weeds of this too much he hasn't starbucks earns me so they met at Gardner Webb which is a score North Carolina they have like a death program there so that's kind of how they met in college that's we yeah so how it's I should've ordered that better conversation with Demi nothing sounded cool though yeah I sell Placentas bilk accords I should have should have been a little so many butcher this but like imagine playing baseball for like a farm league team and then getting thrown into the world series and you have to pitch like I literally had zero college made one of those like roller coaster costumes where like we had like fake legs dangling so like we'd walk around and we raise our hands up in the air and people loved it we want that would deter me from wanting to go to paradise like serious out again I probably just like spell out something with the bubbles if you're Brian Yeah we're GONNA BE ROOMMATES YEAH WE'RE GONNA be roommates here surely so get a lot of fun co sponsored ads but Yeah Luke Luke summer time on the Bachelorette like probably like fifteen minutes of being actually on camera and then getting thrown into an environment where everyone's super everyone was on camera minds right and they're super comfortable and some of them have been in paradise for over a month or for a couple of weeks or whatever it was and you know like the whole Sydney Kissing Sydney thing like typically very private my life and doing on on like a national stage and again being such a fan of the show I know the novelty of making out on camera on this I was just like I was literally there for not even ten hours not office like two hours and I'm getting I'm like being prompted on doing something that's walking but if I if I knew I was going to die then yeah for sure I would do it I do it for five hundred thousand dollars okay great you're brave that's scared now I mean money's money I become good friends with connor j Connor Jenkins he's awesome A lot of the guys from my season on Paradise so like John Paul Jones Dylan Mike warmed up on the Bachelorette you probably kiss the Bachelorette you're there for a couple of weeks but you weren't even there for twelve hours yeah and then if I could do it all over again I know it's not that big of a deal but you have a point there mostly for most contestants you get now I that's so funny no I don't I don't that was beyond me I keep that to the people who do it professionally I can't s she's a little I shouldn't say older kind of mean but she is a little older Sofia Vergara I think her I think her personality you just have to even say she's a little older because she's I do but he is an East Coast Guy Yeah I so I I been doing this this guy I always talk about this the across like that in real life why do you think you came across like that on Ben Ben this is when Ben and Sydney were here was like hey man let's let's meet up or I'm in San Jose San Jose Okay yes we met up and I mean obviously like it's such a unique as you know it's such a unique experience yeah I- everyone's super cool it's hard to I made a I was only there for the first nights like on the Bachelorette so it's got to make really strong connections and yeah super happy for him and his fiancee stacy yeah she's she's really cool to on the show you came across very innocent very off shucks man I don't know if my mom could be okay see did I definitely did I mean I know it was it was really fun date and like I really enjoyed myself and Sydney was awesome I just it's I'm just very awkward because they are this are the snakes and spiders venomous because I might not make it through those twenty four hours now than I could do it for a million dollars by new I was knocking to walk out of their dead while I won't be at the same time it's just it was an easy way for me to Kinda cop out doing something that wasn't comfortable doing right away I was GonNa say were you just not did you maybe not WanNa kiss her no you know what's funny like after all of the episodes she like you're so funny like you cracked me up La but it was never like why did you do this why don't you do that and it's like I knew it can only share with the select amount of people so like I had tons of questions like do you get like anxious about this like posting pictures himself as Bubba blind he's like yes but it's GonNa go away just give it to yeah and like that's like courageous super courageous so like it's kind of it was my first night really in paradise and like I don't know I it was Patrick's about it if your mom had your way who would she wanted you to be with Paradise Yeah and and like you really got to see her personality as as the show develops whereas with brees she came in late like myself so like we are both kind of it was just being super nervous camera shy and I definitely started warm up as the days went by and got more and more comfortable on camera we saw yeah yeah you guys also And I got put a very uncomfortable awkward situation if I would've kissed her I feel like it would have been super awkward you ended up kissing her yeah I did good yeah as a he yeah before you go into totally totally yeah usually I mean like there's like I don't know how many people Hanna Hanna how many how many of the guys kiss on the first night but it was only like two or three of them I think yeah it was fun that's cool do you now smiles in pictures because of Sm- I going to paradise and you're expected to kiss somebody on a first date but that would never that wouldn't happen on the on the Bachelorette you get warmed up yet to know them a little bit more live and then he's always like it's never as bad as it seems it's never as good as it seems he just he's a plethora of really good information because he's kind of been through it all you the very sweet man he is I do and I just don't feel comfortable like doing this right at this moment and then of course you know fast forward to Brian is date a Mike Sucking face with her and it's it's just TV right and like Sydney's great she's super sweet she she like narrated the whole season and she never really talked about about anybody and she was very sweet and very kind ah it was Sydney for Sure Okay Dad my dad texted me after the episodes should've picks a new like why was that I mean obviously you get to see everything on and the whole mom thing I've just completely just kept using is vice I love my mom but like it was she wouldn't really care now using it was unreal oh my gosh I was like damn it looks like every day deal yeah now you're sitting here with me sorry great to call the the job as a blonde yeah this is pretty cool that you got going on but yeah so the best way to describe it imagine I'm not a baseball even Hannah did have chemistry that night or was pretty obvious that night you're like elvir knock knock gonNA connect yeah I I was actually nat so that was running through my head and I use like my mom is like a vice right some like oh my I don't know what my mom's really but in my head I'm just really really camera shy right now and I don't know where you were you were somewhere sitting were here in studio yeah when they I don't know if you're on vacation or you're on your yeah that's right how was that was for more on Colton season do probably right exactly exactly so I I understood why were they are coming from like you like there were conversations at pre and like you didn't have a ton of personnel or ton of like we didn't have a ton of character building up to it so my parents saw Sydney all all being the season like she's really great what she is and Deming Christian and Chris and Katie I mean maybe kristen cages because of the stuff that went down union I mean they that's what we've seen so far Dr but obviously I'm hoping for the best both of them next question I like it like ooh Nina massage massage music right here who from your season needs what will call a humbling experience the three requirements that you look for in a girl Yep confidence is definitely one of them ambition I think that's really sexy of a woman in very romantic situation so it's like a lot easier to expedite relationships and s against her which Bachelor in paradise can we get some music sleep are now we're gonNA play plead the fifth are you familiar with Andy Cohen's plead the fifth no okay so I have a set of questions it's the Altar who oh man the so there's three there's three right you're still in hand famous saxophonist Kenny Kenny Rogers G ten I don't know if that's the correct sound effect for this moment yeah this isn't like a romantic paradise season needs a humbling experience who bachelor impaired I season that needs a humbling experience l. c. ambition comes Owen and just being passionate about everything they do Never never doing something that they're like I would say I think that the saxophone is the least utilized oh my so underrated yep like how house music and house music with like a good Ghannam Bachelor in paradise no I don't think so that's a lot of time they spend together you've got to think like Julie Living with somebody in paradise in your you only have one question Oh this is get all right all right the first question would demi incursion got engaged this summer if they had athlete handle all right cool salacious Hillerman that today now you don't know how many questions I have here on my list but you only have one time to plead the fifth which means the both live here in the L. A. Area would you rekindle with either one of them I've new this is going to get asked I I'm just super fortunate that they both don't humble and stuff like that that question was too easy who that question was too easy Aku from your Bachelor Shen Okay Music Islam which Bachelor in Paradise engaged couple from your season is least likely to make after the show again I didn't really get to know the Dude I saw what you guys saw on TV so just from that perspective it seems like he's he's mellowed out and become a little more for you they are more challenging they're more salacious salacious man you know what that means let's say Asia's causing drama awesome and I hate that I'm like judging somebody's character social media but it seems like he's doing good for the community and I think he just wants to get away from the spotlight so I think he has humbled doing something I studied yeah that feels good that's enough bleeps addition I'm in where we're just both like all all three of us are are cool and friends and they don't hate me 'cause like such an ass on television I want to say that by the way about words baby I'm actually friends with them and I'm super super thankful for that so like as of right now that's kind of I'm I'm okay with the France a humbling experience I mean I think it has to look P I think he I think he's actually done a great job of just from how do you come out of that looking like a hero right you can't like I don't know what's really weird for me is that they have you go through that rose ceremony where he picks together earlier this week we're cool I felt like I had to accept like such an ass on I just it was tough okay cool you can say bad words no we're pretty PG thirteen okay Mama my mom to hear what are the Sydney this is like one of the things we talked about when I was fixing her furniture I asked her I was like you know if you know had I had picked you like that next morning yeah we get some music he said or is like reuniting like a good sax good Ma'am Jonah Blank on his name who's up the supermodel bomb like five thousand like dude man I remember watching you be like Oh my gosh just stop just stop talking same thing with them combat like You just get annoyed with yourself on television I just got so annoyed like cringed watching myself did Sydney reach out to you too oh I was hoping just give us some dirt I honestly everyone's super cool everyone was really I can't I can't really think of anybody in need to like simmer down on I came in late though I didn't get to get to know everybody you're very kind guy you pleaded to frith now I bet they get way harder now you have one breer Sydney pick now you only okay rear Sydney take right now I mean I probably city somebody and then the next morning they're like okay now break up yeah I know you know they're like off your nut in the status of possibly getting Jeff services axe man forever hurts sacks with house music there's some good there's some good like tropical house some saks bombs but but we lost to the me out of that why would you called shallow why wasn't called challenge is portrayed as shallow which socked it wasn't a good look I looked like such an aspirin I'll be the first one to admit it why then you must lead important conversations have already been had things like I just gave my rose to breathe what I don't understand why that rose ceremony exists it's like the third or fourth I've hung out with her more after the show Ooh hung out with have you here we go here we show we've not kissed literally put her Yeah I just feel like our one big time because I did I did make a nice the whole situation I didn't I knew just like of course so I mean they're only twenty minutes away from me so I it's I'm like so again so fortunate that like I can still be friends with Sydney after everything she has she has drawn my socks it's gone to that level I think actually I'm wondering now draws Smiley faces on them she she does this Kerr puppets thing mm-hmm I actually don't know I'm going to plead the fifth just because I don't I don't really now nobody seemed really full of themselves I is there somebody I'm supposed to say up and she's she's awesome so I'm I'm just very thankful of of how everything's played out very nice now you do have one more question left on my list like Sierra three anyway that's it in poor blake now we all think blake is he's a good dude already lovely man he's very he's very I feel I I reached out a lot after needs it or not but they thought do make your heels like stand out of your shoes because it gives you more arch so I'm thinking that's what it was and give him like two inches ask for help with the furniture that's a great question so I'm good friends with Kirpa who's her roommate Kurban I've spent a Lotta time we've done some trips and

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Steelers Preview: Steelers and Bills is a clash of mirror images in Week 15

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Steelers Preview: Steelers and Bills is a clash of mirror images in Week 15

"Pittsburgh steeler fans what is up. This is Jeff Hartmann editor of buying still curtain dot Com and joining me. Today is my deputy editor and it's just a dynamic dynamic duo today. That's right Brian. Anthony Davis is out there Carolyn. You're doing something crazy. Wrestling bears the woods again. Either now but Dave's goofy joins us for a two man steelers previews Dave. How's it going this evening? It's going well. Everybody Wang Hardball Tonight. Everybody weighing Harvard Arvada because Wang Harbaugh is on the sidelines right now the ravens are winning thirteen. Nothing at the time that this is recorded. I'm sure seven. Oh Okay Dan all right. keep us up to date with that score for those that are watching. Live on Youtube Speaking of Brian Anthony Davis and speaking of Dave Scofield. Here Dave you you have a little bit of an announcement. Then she'll yeah. I was hoping maybe you get more people to live chat because I know they might want to chime in. We're looking for all right. It's okay okay but now some people were really were really busting us for saying that we weren't gonNA be able to go to the game. Here's what happened I wanna I just WANNA clarify hi. There was some certain circumstances that we needed to work out in order to go because of the time change. We were worried that they wouldn't work out so we didn't want to wait for the last second. Get stuck with if the tickets so we offered the tickets out there if we had any takers if if we have two acres that oh well if we don't then we'll see if it works out and before anyone solidified anything with the tickets. Things worked out so Brian Anthony Davis and myself and my big brother. We will all be at the game on Sunday Day. We will be coming over on. The Gateway Clipper. We were hoping to catch the very first one that comes across. That should be right around five twenty ish because it's supposed to be three hours before hand and and we are looking for some be. TSE people to hang out with. I know nap. Nineteen sixty three. We are looking for him tonight because he offered us to come tailgate with him a long time ago. If he could let us know what's going on we will be there. We already have a question here for going to livestream. We're going to attempt to live stream name. Were not going to say we're not going to say it's gotTa be definitely at a certain time or place. Because last time I try to do that I had no signal until I got in and could hook up to the stadium Wifi so we're going to weed once again. Follow myself on twitter. I guess you could follow Brian. Anthony Davis Davis on twitter. But he's got less than ours. Do so just go ahead and follow me And and I'll put something out there about where we're going to be at what time I'll try to give it at least ten minute warning. I know that game days are crazy. Sometimes it's just a rush to get in and get to your seat That's that so but we did but we wanna let you all know where we're going to be so that you all do the livestream from the if you have reception if you don't might you never know. Depending on his cell Elson carrier. Do it from the tailgate. Like don't wait till you get it at. That is what we would like to do but what happened. The last time we were there were not we were there. It was my brother and I we were at the game. I'm trying to get the get the articles on the inactive together. I can't even log into the website. 'CAUSE my cell signal is so bad where overture overture were over at the at the I was I see lighter. I see whatever it is tailgate. where I WANNA meeting Pittsburgh Dad and everything and I'm trying to move away from the stadium far as I can to get signal and I just I just couldn't get it to work until I got inside so that is the plan to to try to do it from a tailgate but between Brian and I were hoping somebody has some signal there that we could pull it off all right there. Yeah so if you're going the football game on Sunday night this week fifteen matchup. We're going to talk about a lot today tonight Make sure you hit up Brian. Anthony Davis Day. Dace go here you can send him an email you can Hit him up on twitter. You can follow us on twitter and I'm trying to think what brands twitter handle is it's AD DT se bad. I think tse bad because he was tweeting it you from his current concert that he is at. He's actually the same concert. My wife and daughter at right now checking out yeah. He was tweeting well at at the at the website. Yeah I don't know something about getting in a fight with a sixty year old lady. Something with his daughter at the PENTATONIC concert only Brian. That's right so good news. Glad you guys are going. That'll be fun. And I will be by myself for the post game show because Lance is out there gallivanting around. Don't worry I've done it before. It'll be just fine if I stay awake if I can. Maybe maybe Brian and I will just do the post game show. Oh from from the Empty Stadium What's up we'll probably get left behind? By the clipper that'd be the only problem Yeah we could. We could go out and go right down to the field interesting. So let's get right into things here today. It's Thursday night into report was out Dave. Why don't you update the injury report? Roque wreck back injury report it appeared to be really good today or so. We thought where we had Jalen Samuels was back he was a full participant. After missing. Yesterday I was dancing by that by the way. Oh because you you want to be clear. I was banking on and him being out. And then connor returns. You just got everything. Set up every cloudy right now. That's the problem with for the person who tries to predict the inactive of list. I don't know where to go there but we'll have to see how it plays out tomorrow. But he was back. Full Vance McDonald was back limited. So he still in the protocol but that's one step. It's going to be interesting to see if he would have been limited. I don't know if he would have been limited yesterday because he usually gets Wednesdays off so the fact that he was off couldn't could have been that maybe it wasn't so bad but He was limited today which is generally how it goes in the progression. Shen sometimes with that or it could be if he's limited again tomorrow. There's a chance that he doesn't play. So it all comes down to that Many players return Johnny Holden was out sick. Nick and Ramon Foster was out on his normal Thursday that day off the only concerning thing with conflicting reports was the juju Smith Schuster was was limited because he left practice early. Now there are some reports that that he's That it was nothing that is going to affect Sunday. Then there's other reports that it was a reactivation of the injury. They're being very very tight lipped about it and it kind of. Don't blame them. Yes yes The injured reports definitely up up in the air. We'll put it that way and so i. I just think that we talked about this at length and I know the UN should it in your stack Keith. Article with The brother Scofield as we call your older brother rich now the brother Scofield In that is just who's going to be in WHO's GONNA be out depending on who's available for instance. If you use misused available who's GonNa be out and Lance and I both agree. It was probably going to be Jones. Have Spivey out and then it was. The running backs were tough to really gauge. You said so many of them play special teams. You know. You're I don't think anyone's GonNa Bench Gareth White because not only. Is he productive. But he's also there kick Richard Dick Return trae Eddin's is there fullback. Insure your situation now. And he plays special teams to whether he's effective active nodded at full-back role. That's debatable but it's just imagine a matter of okay. Well what's Woohoo. If if I was assuming that Jaylen tables was not going to be available. Bill is therefore I was like well sales groin. He's out this week that you don't worry about. It now. Looks like he might be back. I don't know what they're GONNA do. Yes yeah because I bring up about edmonds with the fullback but the other thing with that is is. He played three snaps last game three offensive snaps so so he did line up as a fullback but they didn't really use it so I don't know if that's something that they would have to do there. I mean he did have the one reception on the first drive. I can't remember if he lined up at fullback on that player. Not because I like I said I didn't couldn't watch the game on on TV and recorded. I had to watch it online and I can't go back and see it so I didn't see where he lined up on that play with because remember he had the seven yard reception and then there was a fifteen yard penalty on top of it which kept the drive going so that was the only thing he had on offense other than the two times. He was in a fullback. So I don't know if that's worth it when you to Pat Him over. Somebody like say like Samuel's or white so if if they're all available they want to use them all then it probably still will be edmonds. Even though he's the one that did play the fullback position in Iran says this Jeff he's at activate five running backs four waters. Here's Judy can't go. It's the angels could play then you could technically use him as a flex slot wide receiver. He can run routes. He has good hands. We know that James Connor can also be used as receiver. I brought it up last night and I said you know if you want to ease connor in he could have connor. Be Your third down back. Because he's GonNa go to pass broke. Could catch the football. Those the offense can definitely do the two minute drill that that would be his bread. Butter said that. That's an option for them if they WANNA do that here. Here's here's another concern with everything with that is one bad shot on that shoulder judith James Connor and who knows if he's done when you're talking about a groin Royne with a running back one one bed cut and you're gone so do you really want to have a lot of times. The steelers would only have three running backs. Now they've I've been doing for Because we say three running backs when Roosevelt Nix health we never count was running back. So they're just using that fullback position to have an extra running back but if something that happens where they both go down then you're looking at just snell and white and nobody really to fill that fullback role unless you think McDonald's is going to go and they could squeeze someone like Gentry back there but I don't know if that's very wise either it's not not put Zach. Banner Taylor phinney comes down to this. is going to really impact the depth and lateen. It shouldn't impact starters too much. We know if Juju as you plays we know of J. Connor plays they're going to be it but ultimately we don't know who else will be active So I kinda put the cart before the horse. They're a little bit and we went right in the injury report. That's okay. I forgot the around the horn segment. And that's the only how we start off the show and that's where you bring up a topic from this week that you WanNa talk about the steelers related Dave. What's your around Ortega? Well since honor of this game going on right now which apparently the ravens just scored a touchdown and got the two point conversion because earlier earlier. Justin Tucker missed an extra point so I think that's a second of the season now that he's a missed extra points. Yeah so so so. It's it's currently twenty seven in the second quarter and there was a report earlier tonight that if that that was it was it was in rappaport saying that the ravens have already said that if they can't if their seed cannot be changed in week seventeen seventeen they. They don't care about rushing records although he did break the rushing record for quarterback tonight already but they didn't they don't care about extending that record or anything. Lamar Jackson will sit if the Ravens cannot change their playoff position in week. Seventeen which is news to the steelers. The steelers play the Ravens Week. Seventeen so so between that and the whole notion of with a win tonight the Ravens will will lockup the AFC north which makes it definite that the steelers only path is the wildcard hard which we all know. That was a long shot anyway. 'cause they'd have to lose all three in the steelers at the win all three But that would just make it definite so the question is do you. Let's say for example that things all go follow the right way for the steelers in the next two weeks as well and they don't have to have that game week seventeen how do you feel about Alta that whole notion of Lamar Jackson and should the steelers maybe do some similar things. I don't want to put the cart before the steelers running a lot would have to happen. Let's look at this from a ravens perspective. Because odds are that. They're not going to need to win. That came the dog and have their position. Locked up. You al.. You also have to wonder if you have to think is someone like Wang. Harb's GONNA WANNA stick it to the steelers because let's say the steelers need that checking to get it. Would you want to beat them on your home turf and keep them out of the postseason You would because deserve rivals and they know you will and they probably would play you tough and so a guy like Wang Harb's is might not start Lamar Jackson I I would. I would imagine marketing room would be in there. I'd imagine that Earl Thomas would be in there because that's just the the type of guy that he is in the I I don't blame him. If if the steelers were in that situation if you flop their roles there I think maybe the you'd say that you want to keep the ravens out of the playoffs if you have that Opportunity so oh I'm not I'm not too concerned about that right now It was funny because today I was talking to. My wife's aunt and uncle who were Ravens fans are from from Florida and they will bring it up. Oh you know we would love to keep you guys out of the Plaza Gavin would cause they're steelers could be in the playoffs. Oh guess again as it. You don't WanNa play visions three times. The steelers have done it more than once. And it's not easy so you know and Lance Williams. He's watching live. He says if the Ravens of chance to eliminate the steelers weighing Harb's we'll go all out. I I agree with that well. Here's here's the actual tweet from Ian rapoport report. And he actually was quoting a my Garoppolo reports. That if the Ravens lockup their playoff seeding bye week seventeen expect. Rg three to start versus the steelers. Even if if Pittsburgh needs it to make the playoffs. This episode is sponsored by Stash. A SMARTER SIMPLER WAY TO START. Investing with Sash you can begin. Investing in a wide array of companies and diversified funds for as little as five dollars stash offers unlimited trading with no add on trading commission. 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We went on the air I was looking through our profile feed and I we have guys that run our twitter feed during the week. I don't do much stuff on there. The navy occasional tweets hugh question polls stuff like that And I noticed that David decastro appeal of his fourteen. Thousand dollar fine was denied. Reid wasn't even reduced. Basically just said Nope you're paying the money and that's it I don't WanNa drudge up week. Eleven again but at the same time time I just couldn't for the life meeting. Derrick Brooks the same one that decreased marquees pounds. He's suspension from three to two games. He's the one that heard David decastro appeal and he did nothing. It's I just don't understand what they wanted to do you know. He wasn't on the laundry list of players that got suspect that got suspended refine from that Malay in week. Eleven in Cleveland. I felt that he was more of a peacemaker he and Mad Filo peacemakers in this situation in like land said when we talked about it afterwards he said he he could have done a lot of bad to lamar hostile Marjasin. Someone just said that in the live chat he gives a lot of bad to myles Garrett if he wanted and he did he took him down on late on him. I don't know I thought it was ridiculous. They didn't at least reduce it. I don't even know what they're trying to do. Yeah I mean honestly if you want to keep someone from fighting laying on them is probably the best thing to do In my in in my former life as a high school teacher I actually did break up a fight by laying on to students students at the same time until I could actually get some help Then actually tackle them together and I've done that teaches not high school. Middle School Yeah so So that that's so especially someone my size. That's pretty effective to to stabilize the people but the problem was there's there's a lot it's an they could've said you were there. was you still were using. You know making contact with the player afterwards Yada Yada Yada well him holding it down made it easier for mark. EASTBOUND's you to try to kick him. That's a stretch. But they could always try to go with that. I mean come on Matt. Fowler got five three thousand dollars for entering the fighting area because the fight broke out at his feet. got into the Octagon God. I mean take workout around him and he just turns what gets fine for being in the neighborhood of a fight because they yeah I mean I think the NFL looks like money is money. You know if they really WANNA hurt somebody. They hurt them with suspensions. So decastro I mean and he. You're right they did kind of just kind of sweep it under the rug the first time and even with this one so I guess he can afford it Money does not go to the league. It goes into a fund To to help support former players so why lake donate says if not for Decastro Garrett Lisi game on a stretcher seriously probably point. I'D WANNA make a couple of quick announcements before we Are One announcement in one more topic to discuss before we get into this week. Fifteen games as in the steelers or bills. I is if you you haven't noticed yet We had we as in behind this occurred and breaking T'S T shirt company. They got landed. A licensed agreement with Devlin. Hodges so and put this up there on the ticker there To actually produce Devlin hodges gear now as a site site editor in someone that is been working with this company. They've been waiting for this for a while I hope he continues to play well. Pathway he wins if he wins this week it would be big for business and so We just launched our very first duck duck season Devlin. Hodges his t shirt I think. 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They've done some really cool stuff with him with the Jacksonville. The Jaguars big cat country. which is the estimation equivalent of BTC for the Jaguars? The second thing is is something that job man. I WanNa talk about this around the horn segment is he. He said you should get a B. to run the twitter. I'd saw that earlier her. All right the my gosh. What in the world is this guy thinking? We've said this a million times. Mr Third and fifth has been a topic of discussion. And I don't like to talk about him but at the same time. Holy Cal he goes from. I really do worry about his sanity and his mental status as mental state because he went from super apologetic logistic like he's apologizing to everyone. He saying that he's sorry organizations that he burnt bridges and all this stuff and then the late literally the next day or at least two maybe two days after he goes on his twitter tirade where he is called he goes Ben Rothlisberger a loser he calls the NFL racist. And I'm just I was thinking to myself. Do you not want to play anymore it. Maybe he doesn't. I've said this all along I've said he doesn't WANNA play but at the same time if he does he's going the wrong way. I think there's more there because there's a few things you can piece together with all this and I'm not sure the timing of it so maybe between can you or people in the live chat you can help me. I can only go by what I when I saw it on twitter. Not Actually what I was posted on twitter. 'cause you know sometimes I get it retweeted from people and and that is. He posted the apology which did not sound like him at all. It was so orchestrated. It was so Let's just say I can't say he didn't write it in the first the place but it was definitely cleaned up to be coherent if you know what I mean And sound proper but then you get. Ah The question is was he expecting soon as they come out that all of a sudden all these teams are going to jump in and say. Hey come play for us I it's almost like let me apologize so that way the offers a lineup and it didn't and he got mad but there was also a report in there I wasn't sure at which point where we're out of. The Commissioner's Office that the investigation is still pending and it would not change his status if he returned to a team that he would pot that meaning meaning where they were stated before that he would chances are team signs and he's going on the Commissioner's exempt list and they came out and said this in the last several days that that would not change the his. It's nothing nothing with the with. The impending stuff has changed that for for where it would be different teams. Maybe some maybe that statement came from the NFL. Because maybe after this apology some team started inquire about well. Hey what's the status there. If we were if we were to add him what would he be available to play or is he going on the list so they made that statement and then he just blows up our you know the funny thing is is that the NFL under the current collective bargaining agreement has them where they want him. Because here's what's going to happen. He'll eventually eventually say the investigation's over he is free and clear to be signed by whomever he like. And then once he signs they're going to suspend them you're gonNA suspend him conduct detrimental or whatever the comments. He made the actions that he you know everything. Furniture being thrown off the balcony to now the misconduct with the trainer. And all this stuff and the other accusations since have been made in and we don't know I'm not here to say he's guilty and innocent but at the same time the NFL because they can just there's going to wait it out. See what what comes of these. He's you know these allegations in whether it goes to quart or not. And then when they're done like oh by the way you're suspended for X. Games because we can't. That's exactly what's going to happen. I don't know I just WanNa bring it up because the guys I I kind of feel bad for him at this point you know he's Out there running routes all the time He. He's in steelers floor uniform. What is this guy trying to do but it is what it is in? So is that true. Someone just said the pens one. I asked my hope michaels right because they were headed to overtime against Columba's India. Big wouldn't wouldn't isn't over zero zero overtime. What I just saw in? It's been an ugly game audio anyways. Here's the penguins were here. Paul yes we are. Yeah yes we are. We're talking about the Pittsburgh steelers. This is a huge game and we've dubbed Multiple Games To be huge and and really really really important and I've always said that it's the biggest game until the next big game in. You hope that you have another big game. Because of the steelers would have dropped to their last three these. These games wouldn't be that big because they're not going to be in the playoff picture but here we are eight five. The steelers are on the outside looking in their sixth seed. They can catapult themselves to the fifth seed seat if they beat the buffalo bills if they lose this game on Sunday night while they had things get really hairy because they didn't get interesting they'd give really hurt because because if you break down the tiebreakers which you did dave actually check out that article behind the Curtain Dot Com at the playoff scenarios. Here is. Here's what it comes down to though I mean a win win and you're basically he basically just one more gaming you're at if you lose this game then you like you said had it the Tennessee Titans get involved. Houston Texans get involved the against you. Oakland raiders could still get involved not sure about that logistically. The disuse have a lot going their way on Sunday. Night Football Home Mike. Tomlin has very good Sunday night record at home and I called it. I called a Dave. Oh Yeah you did. I gave him credit fan. I was. They are wearing their color rush uniforms into their five. And those uniforms. This is a big game reveals the regular season finale. You should be pumped to go to this game. 'cause I'm pumped what so torn because I didn't know I couldn't decide if I was getting a pumped to watch it at home or getting pumped to watch it at the stadium so much I didn't know in which direction to get pumped so now that I know exactly what what I'm doing I am super pumped for this game. This this game means this game is probably the one of the more important games for so many other teams like when when I was reading the article about the playoff picture. This game is more important for other teams than what their games are for the steelers if you really think about it when it comes to the wildcard because everyone knows what's going on with not everyone knows. I hope most people know what's going on with Tennessee and Houston A and that is. They're both in the playoff hunt. They have identical records. They haven't played each other yet. But one of them's got to win the south assuming that Indianapolis issues two games back doesn't doesn't sneak in there somehow. One of these teams. They're going to knock each other off my right eye. Only one of them is going to make the playoffs. Well those likely most likely most likely and it all depends on the worst case. Scenario for the steelers is Because they play this week they play the final on week this season and inbetween they play an NFC team. The the the Texans play. I'm pretty sure at home against Tampa on Saturday. And then the saints the Saints that the the the the titans host the saints. So yeah so I know I think that's in Tampa. AH The one with Houston so this. That's that's interesting. So worst case scenario for the steelers is that both teams end up to in one sub. Just because that's how it is. What's better as if one team does? All the winning the other team does all the losing and then you don't have to worry about about the other team being in the because right now there's a group of three teams that are that are right behind the titans. I say right behind him but there are two games back with three games remaining. And until until like if if the steelers don't come through on Sunday night and then a loser of the Tennessee game those other teams have to win this week just to get within one game with two left and that's just an awful lot to ask soft steelers. Take down the bills that all but eliminates that at that group of three teams regardless of what they do even if they went so I mean not officially but but for the most part crushes their hopes and dreams which is which is nice to crush the hopes and dreams of the Cleveland Browns. We we ve enjoyed that for years. So that's what it really comes down to. Oh I I would not be shocked at all if the team that that Two in one of one of those teams would win the south. I mean it very well if you really want to know who the best case scenario Tennessee beat Houston at home this weekend but then Tennessee loses to the saints while Houston beats the the bucks and then they're both at identical records again and having to play each other heart and one of them's GonNa lose to where they're the only tour one team's only gonNA go one and two in the last three which really plays into the steelers chance but none of it matters beat the bills. None of it matters at the beach the bills I mean they would have to drop the last two games after beating the bills so beat the bills. You're in a great. You're in a great place. Yeah absolutely there's going to be a this picture is is going to be a lot clearer after week. Fifteen you know after we've seen is when the browns will probably be gone You'll have teams like the colts might've gone out of the in the hunt group. They might still be there but you know they're they're not they would need a laundry list of items to occur for that state play so It's going to be a huge game. steelers bills week. Fifteen Sunday night football. I think it's very much deserving of the Sunday night game is going it'll be the sixth primetime games of the steelers. The bills haven't played on Sunday night. Football and I don't know forever. It's ease they haven't had one on this year. I know that I Know Sean McDermott said. He felt that it was justified. Putting them in prime time again so the bills are not necessarily used. I used to the primetime. Stage steelers are We know that the steelers placed differently better at home compared on the road especially their defense will talk about that a second so dave real quick though before we get into our match ups to watch and things of that nature when you look at this matchup. AFC match of. There's some familiarity there but would not a ridiculous amount. What are your what are your general thoughts on the game itself factors? It might come into play. That aren't necessarily him versus him. Matchup type stuff. What's your thoughts? Well that these are two teams that their strengths are somewhat similar. You're meaning they are very they live and die more with their defense more than with their offense I think the bills over the course of the season has I have a stronger rushing attack but the steelers have done quite well with that the last couple of weeks could it have just been their opponents perhaps but regardless they they've they've put up a yards and done more there so these are two teams that are that are really driven by their defense. So if you're talking about getting a splash play on offense or or special teams. That's going to be so much. More of a factor in a game like this than it would be normally because I feel points are going to be hard to come. uh-huh here this is a tough bills offense to wrap your head around. They don't really do anything well but they're still dangerous in in their own way. You know what I mean. Shallan is their third leading rusher. He has eight rushing touchdowns on the season. He's a big athletic in his own way. He's not Lamar Jackson. He's not cuyler. Murray and I was actually really stunned when my Thomas was asked about him during his press conference businesses I think the buffalo has more design runs in Arizona does and I it was just me I. I've watched the bills and the Ravens last Sunday in. I gotta be honest. Honest you the bills did not handle the blitz very well and that's been talked about on the. The Standard is a standard last night. And what are the steelers do. This is more than anyone else. Blitz pay plants a lot so a Josh Allen. They blitzed a ton this year. I mean. They've took it home a lot with four. Let's more now. Well here's the thing. Some was it that he couldn't handle the blitz or he couldn't handle more than four rushing at him because sometimes the steelers blitz while still only rushing four. 'cause they're dropping somebody else that they wouldn't drop otherwise there's definitely computation will put it. That way on. His processing is slow and the football getting out slow. I think I saw on twitter. That he he has the he holds onto the ball the longest of any other quarterback in the NFL That was actually sent us by. Williams is evidence that I got. I was going to bring that up Lance Lance. Give much credit. Because he's already already the live chat he's worked worked in the New Year. He's got definite brilliant. Wow that's nice. I'm nobody it said since entering the League in two thousand eighteen. No quarterback has held onto the football longer longer than Allen on average of three point. One seconds because That's not good. They say that That he has a thirty eight percent completion. cliche percentage which is Latin which is thirty. I don't WanNa say last cause some quarterbacks more more than one call via team which thirty seconds and he averaged six point nine yards per attempt which is twenty eighth. I think this is when he's under pressure. And it says the steelers have the highest pressure rate and there and they get their in two points and the highest rate of getting being there in two and a half seconds or less. 'cause their average time is two point three three so that's one of those bad combinations for the bills. If you know what I mean. Hey Hey I'm Jason Delray. I recently wrapped up a land of the giants. The rise of Amazon. In this podcast we examine how Jeff bezos turned a small online bookseller into one of the most powerful companies in the world. We start by exploring how Amazon prime became a service with over one hundred million members and the main source source of companies power. I mean I think that's kind of what Amazon's banking on right that you're just so often that you're going to go to any other sites. 'cause I mean I don't and we end the season by pondering wandering. The question is Amazon. Too Big you know and we just don't WanNa be the United States have Amazon. 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At that they don't don't send extra As much as they used to you know after lobby you look back to the last two seasons and they had to to get home they were getting a lot of sacks but it was obsolete Salita hung out to dry in the back end so I guess in the battle of offensive lines in the ability to I guess issue to impose your will on the opposition. He has the advantage here. Pittsburgh offensive. Line Buffalo's well from my understanding. I can't can't quote where I heard this but that the weakness of Buffalo's defense not that it's not that it's week but it's the weakest part of their defense it rushing right up the the middle the middle of their defense so if the middle of their defense is going to be there then that means the steelers offensive line. They need to get their hand in the dirt. Hurt if you know what I mean and fire off the ball and let's get four for your cloud of dust. I say four yards because that's going to keep moving the chains. So that's that's that's where I think if they're if they're going with that philosophy that that could be I I would lean towards the steelers with that will cliff. Harris is still a punk. Who's our one of our film analysts on behind the curtain dot com? He talked about how they should utilize steelers. She was the inside zone runs Awad Wad against buffalo and you said three yards and a cloud of dust is going to sit up there manageable. And that's where the steelers can have. A slew of plane at their disposal is all when it comes to that. ROLODEX rather have third and six hundred four compared to third and ten or eleven. So it'll be really interesting to see how they attack this team but a lot of that depends on who's available to them. That's another key issue here. With Juju Smith Schuster James Carter returning to practice in some capacity because if especially in my opinion judy species. There's the bigger injury than the you agree. Yeah I think there's how do I say I think he adds more offense bringing him back right now because of the attention that he withdraw along because you know bringing him back. He's going on the field with Johnson in Washington. You're bringing back James Connor. He's coming on in place of Benny any snow or care. Th White or JALEN SAMUELS NOT NOT. I mean there's the occasional time they would make it. Put two running backs out there but not like a receiver. So that's why I think it would be more important for Jamaica back. Yeah he I think he brings a dynamic to the offense that they are missing right now. I'm I'm not saying that conner wouldn't be dynamic but they've gotten production in the running game the last three games he's been out and is because a lot of it's they're committing to it and I think the offensive line is getting back into the groove of run walking but I absolutely think that Juju Smith Schuster is the bigger injury here so I have an answer for what you asked before which was the last time. What do you want to know specifically about the bills playing in prime time? Obviously they've played on Thursday nights right because of our one's doing but the last time they played on Sunday night football was I have to go all the way back. I had it here now. I lost it he go. How about two thousand and seven when they lost fifty six to ten at home to the Patriots? That's the last night on Sunday night football but I mean they played uh-huh. Yeah but they played on Monday night football last year And they lost to the Patriots. They I they. They didn't have a Thursday night game this year. There was a couple teams. That didn't have one. They didn't have one. You don't have made on Thanksgiving. Oh that's right. They played I have these Primetime Games. So that one didn't count because it wasn't a night game so that's that's that. was there Thursday when this year. Thank you for clarifying that. So yes but I know like the bengals roles and the cardinals did not play on Thursday at all this year so they have a Monday night game Thursday night game Monday night. Game All these losses the last primetime when they had was two thousand fifteen On a Thursday night football game against the jets. I'm pretty sure two thousand fifteen. who was that was that that was the infamous game? I'm pretty sure that where I I was using the stats about. I your coaches where it was. was that the first year Rex Ryan going first year. Todd Bowles in two thousand. I would've been but that's their last primetime win. If you'd have to go back to two thousand fifteen wow well. It's the difference between the bills and the steelers. The steelers are guaranteed five. Primetime Games every single season. This this is there because they know people will watch they drive the needle. And that's why West asked this ad agency him on the injury report. Dave would you. Did the article West asked. Is there any Status of Allen's anchored if he's not on the injury report so that would be one of those things that he goes out there and all of a sudden tweaks ankle when someone says yeah. We were hoping that he'd be alright. Then they're going to get find out Ben Rothlisberger and the Elbe else so that's but teams are more likely to take that. Take that chance a novel and the other team know about what's going with quarterback through Eunice Danke. This week I did head. I date if you don't mind into. It was really good because it was it was a question that was emailed to me by one dentist Sheraton. Who is in the live chat tonight? I try I. I tried to get it together for Tuesday. This took took a couple of hours for me to compile all this hours and yeah it did because I had to go through and do it every single one myself. He wanted to know about Dr Results when there's a penalty somewhere along the drive. So guess what I did. They looked at every single. Drive at the Pittsburgh steelers had this year. They had a penalty every one of them and I am not only within had a penalty. I couldn't I couldn't I couldn't sort it by if it was an offensive or defensive penalty. That's why I had to look at each drive so I was looking at. Here's some here's A. This isn't good numbers I because I didn't accidentally hit mute. Did I okay because a button beat here. So sorry if I'm waving my paper in front of the screen because this was a lot of stuff let's just look at it the steelers now. This includes every drive. This includes kneel downs. I couldn't I couldn't take any of this out all their that. The on the season the steelers have had a hundred forty four total offensive drives. Just in total how ma- how how many of those drives what percentage or what fraction of those those drives. Do you think the steelers scored. Now the reason I'm asking because this worked out perfectly. It is a perfect fraction How may drives again? How many do you have to be number? Just give me A. What percentage is again hundred and forty four? How how many of you? They scored or Gore touchdown a quarter. You're calling it was actually exactly one third thirty three point three percents thirty three point three percent ended in a score. which was there slightly more field goals and touchdowns could at eighteen point? One percent field goals and fifteen point. Three's around it. That's why they don't add up thirty three point three touchdowns where they have Off just shy of forty percent where punts and twenty seven percent was what I considered other which goes as missed field goals turnovers turnovers on downs. End of half and of game Or safeties that all went into the other category. So if you look at that where there's where they're scoring on a third of their place. Let's let's look look at what happens when there's a penalty during the dry versus if there's not here's what's crazy if there's no penalty on the drive against either team the the steelers scored twenty three point two percent of the time so it goes down so in other words it means they're aided by penalties but Dennis's main question was so how much does a penalty against the offense keep them from scoring and the answer is not as not not any different not any different. Because if there's there's a there's a penalty on just the offense whether it's one to five seven penalties. They scored twenty four point one percent of the time which is almost the same as if there's no penalty what gets crazy is when there's a penalty on the defense at all because I even broke this down. There's a penalty on both both but if there's just any kind of defensive penalty on the drive in verse. The fractions are switched to fractions the steelers score sixty seven percent of the time and don't score thirty three percent of the time if there's a penalty on the on the on the defense even if there's the other ones on the offense if there's a pounded on the defense and no penalty on the offense they score eighty nine in percent of the time on those drives eighty nine percents which is crazy which is which is thirty three percent touchdowns instill fifty-six percent field goals you know. I think I can't read my writing right there. But that's just crazy. How much so the thing is when it comes to the steelers offense this year? Now don't ask me how compared to the rest of the League because that would take me a couple of hours for each team that do that and I'm not but you would think. Oh well the steelers O.. Anytime they get an offensive penalty that really sets him back that doesn't nearly negatively affect them nearly as much as how much it positively affects them when the other team on. The defense has a penalty so I thought that was crazy. That's not what I expected. That's a lot of work. I wouldn't have done thanks to the email. Good luck straight. I didn't realize how much in depth that was going to be until I got got partway into it. I'm like well at this point. We'll just finish it so I split up over several days. Good numbers I've really is in terms of you know L. E.. I never would have guessed that. That's what the numbers will play out to look quite but I mean that's the last two games. James Washington has been a defensive pass interference. Here's magnet throw a deep and see what happens so yeah and and when they can get that defensive penalty there I mean it's it's almost most ninety percent chance that there are at least get feel. I like that I like that a lot and because of this team field goals are gold. You know I mean touchdown nominal. I'm an old but field goals our goal so I hope that was good enough for you. Dennis yeah he said he appreciates so Of Cuba's you Dave for doing all that work. We appreciate that. Were going in by crunching the numbers. Yeah I'm sure we'll I WanNa make sure that you Edna listener and viewer know. Oh that you can help out the program in a variety of ways One of them is by donating money to the the cause of the order. The good of the order so to speak and that is by are using the super chat feature down where you can post a comment to the rice lower dollar sign. Any money comes to the shell. 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Yeah and you know every little bit helps that people might say well. It's just a stupid thumbs up. What does it matter? It actually does matter in terms of the Youtube Algorithm so when someone types in Pittsburgh steelers we went our shows to be one of those things it pops up and so a lot of that comes down to me using search engine optimization nation which you ought to need hear about and also of different surge framers but also by the amount of traction it's getting in terms of the viewers that does matter better. Okay let's go into brass tacks here and let's talk about matchups that you're really looking forward to watching Dave. You'll be there live your seemed to the end zone. Yes it really gives you the running game then. Yes so what are your. What's your match up the yearbook looking forward to seeing this Sunday? Well it's so tough because we still I don't know who's going to be available for the steelers and how they're going to be utilized and everything so I'd bottom line is I want to see the match up of basically the steelers defense against an against this running game is what I want to see. Because I think they're going to get to the quarterback. I think the the best thing that could that could help the bills to keep the steelers from getting to the quarterback is going to be to have a successful running attack so I think if the steelers doors are focusing in on this run game and what they can do and if they can if they can keep wraps on that that's going to be the key so that's what I'm really looking. That's what I'm going to be looking for four in stadium. I'm looking forward to the Pittsburgh. steelers pass rush getting after Josh Allen but you have after do two things you can. You can do this. You can make them one dimensional in one of the ways number one you stop the run. You don't give single Terry. You don't give Gore chance to breathe. You say if you're going to beat us on our home turf in the regular season finale on prime time color rush all that stuff. Josh Allen is going to have to do it. That's one way of doing it. The second way is to get a lead if you look back to last week if it weren't for Benny no jets fumble the steelers were gonna I guarantee where we're going to put that away early exactly and then Kyle Murray's throwing the ball forty sometimes to try to win the game and that's exactly what you want when you have a defense leads the NFL acts and in takeaways into Josh Allen will take some risks but at the same time. He's a dangerous player. He's in mobile the player but I want to see the steelers pass rush. I watched the Ravens and I don't think the Ravens have nearly The same type of you've Pass Russia's the steelers they harass the heck out of that guy sacked him six times. He fumbled the ball multiple times. He lost two of them He this dealers pass rush is going to have to win period. They're gonNA have to win. They average five sacks a game at Heinz finds field so far in two thousand nineteen thirty five of their forty eight sacks have been at home. That's what happened in my opinion. That's what I'm really looking forward to seeing. It's been a lot of fun watching this defense this year. It's wild since we've been able to sit back and say man. The defense has got well. Here's why because so many times. How many sometimes we say last year while this defense is really good if we can keep so and so from being exposed you know who he tried to not have exposed you? You know what was happening before is you're like oh I hope we don't have Vince William exposed in pass coverage because we didn't have any of the past coverage linebackers. Not a probably more. You know I like I was saying to. The several people is that when when I was coaching especially in the level football coach we basically played cover three. We had we had a third of the field. You know between the two corners and the free safety if you think of that the same way. The steelers their deep thirds last year it was Joe Haden and then at big drop off this year. There's no drop off if anything. You sometimes the defense is offense. Almost feel like they have to go at Aden because they don't want to go and Fitz Patrick over or Nelson. I mean these were just massive improvements improvements. It doesn't seem like they have the holes. I mean whether it's whether who's in there on the defensive line yeah they're missing Stefan to it. But when you're only running to defensive lineman a lot of time and hargraves getting a lot of a lot of play in there which I'm sorry a lot of people do appreciate that other sack just because he touched Murray and down hargrave grave caused the foot was the closest causing the fumble that when you Gaza quarterback the fumble you get credit for that sack. So I don't know if they're going to give to anybody but hargraves doing well with hayward has not been bad there so we've just a month that he'd been great but there's just so much there that you look at and you're like what are they gonna go. What are they gonNa do what we are they going to explain? Because I don't see one now I mean they've been Dave given up some runs this year but it it's not like a you know a routine or a trend I would say that In their past he has been tremendous. I the one thing I wanna make sure if you having gone back and listen to this standard last night with my myself. Atlanta talked about this upcoming Game Lance watches film more than I do and Lances Lance's also as everyone that's listened on the show as he's a guy that's going to point out the negatives more than he will the positives as just his nature in. It's okay it's the homer in the hater show. Oh but at the same time. He'll send Dave and I screen shots and stuff and I'm like. Oh my gosh. Do you ever plan on anything that they do well but I told him look for stuff that they they do in the secondary. I said I want you to see the secondary. Not as good as we think they're being covered up by the land looked and he said. Hey I'm Spencer for hall. I'm Holly Anderson. I'm Ryan Nanny. I'm Jason Kirk and we're the hosts of the shutdown full cast your avengers of college football. PODCAST it says in the script onto riff one what that means and basically what is already spoiled every Tuesday. We talk about everything from cooking disasters to pro wrestling. Too unfashionable pants worn middle school. We we also do talk about college football. Every now and then like mascot fights announcers fleeing the booth early. And unfashionable pants. That coaches where now if you want to take college which football exactly as seriously as it should be taken subscribe for free on Apple podcasts or in your favorite podcast APP. Secondary's good it. Actually good one blake court last time we could say that the secondary as a whole was good. Probably when Rod Woodson Carnell Lake. Norman even with Power Malu. You didn't feel like it was complete. Did you feel like was there any year. Now that you've thought it was completely across the board. When they had McFadden Taylor Townsend as their three cornerbacks? And you had Clarkin palmolive back there. Yeah I mean you felt pretty good about that too. Yeah Yeah. That's the last time though. I mean you have to go back that far. Yeah I love a the entire time says invisible Nelson the he means Edna goodway. Yeah you don't want to hear your quarterback's name I won't even throw. I WANNA see if get an interception. How can you give me reception with him? Well I know but the funny thing is I saw quote athletic or which outlet brand. The article basically said that the transitions from Kansas City. Pittsburgh has been one hundred percent perfect. Yeah except for interceptions he did. He had here. You're in Kansas City and everyone seven. They signed him he gets targeted. The Moser he lived up to every bit of he's been tremendous well honestly I would rather other take him knowing that he's on. He's been basically lockdown corner that they don't feel big even throw at him getting a bunch of interceptions he's not a liability play after replay and Joe Haden has three in the last two games because they have to throw a Joe Haden. He's going to get the ball now. If you're gonNA throw your old. He's getting some confidence. You can see Zia eastern to jump on the ball. I mean it's you reported the one word not not the last one where that was just they were trying to get there and he just made sure he we went and got it. But the first is first -ception of the last game where he basically he saw it at one point and said if they do this again. I'm GONNA jump it. And he told Fitzpatrick so that way he would be ready so he would have someone as a backup in case. It didn't see in case it didn't happen and boom. I mean that's what these guys need to know that they have other guys that are also going to do their jobs out there. I missed the prediction for the season. Because when we were asked who's is going to have you know what can anyone get multiple interceptions in the steelers secondary. Cause remember we were just hoping to get double digits interceptions for the season and I said he I think Steven Nelson get the most. But that's because I thought they would be thrown out of more man to keep throw at them. That can't even throw at them. I'll ask you what I asked Lance last night and that is is is this steelers defense elite. Yes so now. Let's say you're not saying that you want to know what was funny now. They're not only and then you just kept laying Out The case. Then it's like how could you not call them elite with all those things I mean with with turnovers with with with the sax you hang your hat on it. Yeah and with the interest jains are now. Of course I'm saying turnovers but yeah but it's one thing if you're just always getting fumbles but I mean they're pretty Steve. Well I think before last week where they even fifteen and fifteen. I think might've been fourteen. I think they were. Yeah but then they got the three interceptions. I mean me there. That's very even which is what you I mean you don't care if it's a fun word interception you just WanNa turnover. That's just going show that you're getting it from so much I did more I the more I see this defense play. It's just a situation where you're like. This defense can take this team places leases if the offense just runs the ball protects the football and improves. I said in third down key that the red zone to get you. They're the red zone. Well I WANNA make a statement. I don't want people say oh here he goes with duckie. No I love me. Some duck. Hodges right now. This is exactly what this team needs in this moment. But I'm going to ask steeler fans and especially all those those of you though those wise ones of you that that solve the sparkin duck before four others did. Let's stop the discussion of where he's going. How he's going to fit in in two thousand and twenty? Let's you do week. Fifteen and week sixteen week seventeen and wildcard and keep on going and let's that the those are great discussions the February you know. Let's not worry about where he's GonNa fit in long-term let's let's you know. Let's live in the now the steelers just right now this season. Let's live in the now and and ride the duck. I know you can't really ride a duck but But but let's go. Let's let's just do it. Let's focus on what let's focus on the now absolutely so real quick. Let's get through fantasy football focus and this can he cares about fantasy football. Well it's basically a saying who is going to play well and who wouldn't play well here he starting in sitting Ns week. I am starting the steelers defense and I am sitting everybody else for I mean. I think it's a defensive offensive game which means we're probably going to be wrong and it's going to be like both teams scored in the thirties but I would like the defense is the most solid. That's the safest pick I'm not. I'm steering clear of any player that is possibly dealing with an injury. I'm not jumping. I've had a lot of people. Ask me all. Yeah you you right for the steelers one. Can I put James Connor Fancy lineup and I said don't don't even if he's back. Don't put them in your lineup. I wouldn't go there. I wouldn't go juju yet. I wouldn't go Vance McDonald concussion. I wouldn't go jalen. Samuels anybody who has any possibility even playing of getting dinged up to stay away from them. 'cause they're going up against a good defense anyway. Yeah I would say sit Jordan is. You're running back this week. The last says this and this is exactly what I was thinking says sitting Washington he's GonNa see double coverage not to mention Davies at very good. CORNERBACK that'll probably be following him. So you knew I say you start the Johnson because if he's GonNa pick one or the other if you're gonNA leave the Johnson over we solve it. He can do as a runner her when he took that. Sh- that blown up wide receiver screen reverse Field Numa scored a touchdown. We saw him as a punt. returner obviously eighty five hundred returned for touchdowns for score and we also saw him as a receiver. He's turn coming into his own. I would say start Johnson from saying to sit someone I would I would venture to say without being too obvious. I'm I'm not GonNa Start Devlin. Hodges in a game because there are times where I've thought about it because he's chief is all dirt and he he just doesn't put the ball up the trust him yet to do that. This is a game to the one that I guess. It's kind of counterintuitive disturbing. Yeah they Johnson but Deontay Johnson's other avenues as well so If I had to pick one other person like that if you're doing a daily fantasy that goes through Sunday night eight because I know a lot of times in my games you can just the game but if you're doing one that is including all the Games might WanNa think about if you if you're like I need someone dirt cheap because I really want I really wanna a play one of those high profile running back somewhere else my roster think of Dion Kane you know. Because eventually he's going to he's going to get one of those deep ones that he's going to be able to break because he's actually catching them. Mike Johnny did. I'll see who you're you're doing daily fantasy and you're doing a single game you have a multiplier multiplier in this well because you can't do the defense Honestly my moth- last Chris. Boswell that's not a bad one. That's I think this is going to be a low. If it's for just a single game this might not be a big point. I would not be doing one of those leagues where Where if you gotta a break appoint barrier in order to get you know? 'cause you can do those. I've done it before. They're just not very fun all right. Let's get down so you what's your mouth player. You know who I had actually thought about doing. That is Josh Allen. Based on the fact that he runs the ball. And you know I think that there are going to be point scored but I've probably look see. The steelers have a running back by committee. I'd probably think about I leaning towards Gareth White about maybe getting him in there. I Dunno data. Now let's get to predictions enough of that stuff. I said my prediction landscape his last night Lance Lance Lance predicted the steelers to win and he briefed before fans freak out he predicament last week. Yes he predicted to beat the cardinals. They did so. I think we finally got that hopefully Out of the way of but he said the steelers went seventeen to thirteen. And I wasn't too far off. I said that the steelers to win a close game twenty to seventeen seventeen. Dave which are prediction. I am going even less. I am going the steelers to win sixteen to ten. I was considering nine. But I'm like then. Once they score one touchdown I'm done so I'm GonNa say sixteen to ten. I think it's going to be a low scoring game name which is funny because every time with exception of the Patriots game every time they wear the the color rush they put up these points as well so so but I just I just don't see it with just the way. This matchup goes deano. Day Brian's prediction by chance. I meant to ask him earlier earlier today and he was actually in the live chat earlier but he's probably actually driving home now. Because I know I gotTa Best Wife. Everything was over and they were heading back so oh I don't know maybe we might have to send it to lance and have land saying on the asset. Who's got burning question this week idea? Okay you can tell it on the burning or if you guys. We're going live from the tailgate on Sunday can happen given I. Why did I think that? What was I thinking? So okay folks Dave I guess before we a break of any final last words for the steeler nation out there if you're here now when you weren't here at the beginning or if you're listening back to this on audio platform platform if you're going to the game and you WanNa be part of a meet up. We don't have the information yet because of the way everything went down with the change in time but feel free to follow me on twitter at S. T. L. are Super Super S. T. L. ourse superfan dad or to email me at S. t. l. r.. superfan dad at gmail.com or go to behind the steel curtain DOT com. Look for any article written by Dave. Scofield there's always you know two to four every day click on Matt you will have my email there like my profile. Get a hold on me in order to figure out what's going on. I'm still trying to reach out to. Hey we have Brian Anthony Davis. Oh did you see it. I didn't bring it up right there. He is he is saying steelers. twenty-one Bills Twenty these three field or seven field goals yeah. That's why like the dolphins had last week. That was pretty funny so sorry. Sorry to interrupt their. Please get ahold of us. Less no NAP. 1963 offered to say. Hey come by the tailgate. I've got if you're listening to this us. Please please please reach out either myself or Brian or both of us so we can figure out where we're going to meet up. I gotta put me the five dollar is please get a simple Twitter handle an email all those were created before I ever did. podcast the one thing you could do. And this is something that you know you can change your twitter handle and you can always create a new email address. Anything that's sent to the old one can automatically be forwarded to your anyone says that is a possibility for you look off season just I was not aware of being able to do such things you know. My wife could figure that out. 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Footprint in the Dust

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Footprint in the Dust

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You get ten percent off your first month by going to better help. Dot Com Slash de L. NBC. I think that's the hardest Damai Life. I've had a lot of hard days, but that was the hardest. Losing her. But still could sup- US. To have her get out of a car and then never make it to the front door twenty steps and we can't explain what happened in those twenty steps. It just didn't make sense to me. I wondered about everybody. Everybody was a suspect. You know you're a person of interest. We still love each other very much. Somebody new that we've seen each other didn't like it. There's somebody out there some jealousy. Probably my stomach was in my throat. All of us rule take back. This can't be happening. What was really hard for my brain to wrap around that? It was early morning still dark. The Spring Air was a cold blanket around the pickup, parked and running near the main street, a little Glen Dive Montana. At Five twenty a m, the passenger side door opened the woman, stepped out and hurried across the empty street toward the entrance to downtown apartment. Her coat disheveled. Her Bra slung over one. The man's eyes followed her through the Dr. Drawn as other men's eyes were like moss to aflame to her. To the woman now crossing the sidewalk door doorway. Suzy. Lightning in the bottom. They were all there. There at Suzy's, front door. Each one of them was part of that crime scene. been how many at WHO. Who on the is in the dark that started that awful cascade of offense of terrible things I just dropped the phone and cried and cried and cried. I just couldn't believe that could happen three times in one family. Sunlight in the bad lands of eastern Montana he's like nothing else that why blue arch unsullied sky the vast rolling old, but unpeopled prairie dotted sparsely with tiny old hamlets, in which businesses personal and we're friends and families have worked the same sun-baked Gumbo for generations places like circle population six hundred. Suzy's home town. She live in things up a lot. This is Suzy's elder sister Carlee. It was kind of Nice to that little breath of fresh air in the family, because the surface were a little more quiet, you know. Suzy was the fifth of six kids born to Marlene, listened and her husband Jack then the county undersheriff. She loved them horses and she loved to go riding. Burn I'd. Go ride and quite a bit. Suzy's love affair with horses grew as she did and shaped your work ethic. Her sister-in-law now. She was a very hard worker. Know everybody thinks the Montana and the cow girls and the cowboys. She was one of those hard workers. She was not afraid to be out there, shoveling manure or Fixed fans or Charge you that kind of stuff. Yeah, yeah, she's tough. Does a feisty thing. But if there was one word most used to describe suzy. It wasn't so much feisty as Capital F.. She was very impulsive, so she didn't think. A lot ahead. She just Kinda went with the moment, and so when Susie went off to a technical school three hours away in billings and got herself a boyfriend. Perhaps. What happened next shouldn't have come as a very big surprise. It was up. She's pregnant and well. You know it's you get married. That's just what you do. And so she did. They made a big happy thing of it. The whole family gathered circle for a real. Country Church wedding. Suzy introduced her parents and siblings to her new husband. Get named Marty. That like for you to. Finding out that she was pregnant and. Things we're going to be a little bit different than you thought you know. The whole family accepted in because resurgence chart. Four long suzy gave birth to a little girl named Mariah. His son Shea. But again no real surprise, the marriage didn't last. She really loved her kids. They were really a big part of her life, and then when her and Marty Split, they were really everything in her life. So late nineties now suzy was working as a medical transcriptionist in a town less than an hour from circle place go Glenn Dive. That's where she met Ted Casey. He was the real deal a grownup this time, a rancher fourteen years older than suzy. He had horses boy that was just right for her. Wedding number two, this one, thousand, nine, hundred, Ninety, eight, the Kids Sheahan Mariah Call Ted Dad. And then there were two more kids. Girls Kiana Charlie. And for almost a decade, the marriage seemed to be just fine. But by then Susie was sharing secrets with vow about Ted. You wanted to tame her. I think. I guess I kind of joke around and say that he wanted her to be home in time for the ten. o'clock news didn't want her to. Stay out and have fun. Fun was just beginning. Ten o'clock. Takeshi ranch love starting to feel like one more chore be put off. Till tomorrow. I think the grill part. They just really both changed. Then one liquid evening added bar. Things went seriously. Sideways Ted got mad dumped. A beer on Suzy's head slapped her spent the night in jail. Not long after Ted pleaded guilty to misdemeanor domestic assault. Suzy was gone from the ranch. She wasn't very happy with Ted, and she was starting to make some good decisions to. To find some happiness again. And so by the spring of two thousand, eight Susie and the kids were living at the Ponderosa apartments here in downtown, Glenn Dive and Little Town like this. People noticed what Susie was up to. Liked, her said family acquaintance Olivia Rieger. But noticed people thought of Susie as someone that was going through a time kind of so and some wild oats. She liked to have fun. And she was having a lot of fun. To that Friday evening in April when she came in to see me, she was. Really happy and she had makeup on which wasn't really suzy thing and that was great so I knew something was the. watched. The SUZIE founded out the door to take your youngest kids to test for the night well, the two teenagers fended for themselves. And Susan. At on the time. That this girl's gotTa have a date tonight. The very next morning. Up. When Suzy's worry, children and increasingly frantic family called to check on her. Suzy who always kept her phone within reach? Did Not Answer. I thought this is silly. She went somewhere. The kids forgot, and it's all going to be you know a funny. I thought that maybe she had just fainted somewhere or. Had A heart attack or An accident or anything susie Casey sudden disappearance. Can The people she loves? Help solve it I mean. What do you find somebody? Active, it's going to backtrack Oliver Steps, you tell the house was dark and it was kind of. was like an eerie feeling. The morning sun on what another glorious Spring Day Glenn Dive Montana. But in the Ponderosa apartments, it was anxiety that infected the air as fourteen year old. Mariah tried again and again and again to reach your mother Susie. Riot knew very well that her mother enjoyed evenings out and trusted her. Two older children still got themselves in the apartment. But she'd never once failed to come home. MARIAH's next call was to her grandparents. She told Grandma law made. Around. And so Mariah's anxiety, infected, Jack and Marlene to she left. It can't a lot. In her Mariah were really really close their towers sometimes Yom. Mariah whereas the mom and the kid because. Pretty growed up and smarts for she was. The somewhat more level headed one right. She she wasn't a dare Taylor mother her her opinion. Soon phones were ringing all over susie sister Carleen. Oh, this is silly. She went somewhere. The kids forgot, and it's all going to be a funny Ha-ha, we kids were sufficiently independent. Up and leave for their respective activities, but From Suzy. Not a word. Across town, sister-in-law val hadn't heard yet. The susie failed to come home. They had like a craft show in town and I. I thought that maybe she would want to come with me. Down Franklin, just wondering if you're coming down. then. She didn't respond that morning and I thought that was kind of odd and when I was. At the actual craft shows when I got the call from rusty. Rusty lemelson vows husband Suzy's little brother. Rusty say he told me that the kids couldn't find suzy when they woke up and that the everybody was just really worried, because just wasn't Susie, she would never just not tell her children or be there for them. And, she wasn't there. Makes it tough to reach? Susie wasn't quite so calm. Car Back. Your bad freaking out because nobody could find you. I mean. What do you do you find somebody I was detective. was like. It's going to backtrack Oliver steps, and so that's exactly what I did. Made some call. Suzy had been drinking with friends the night before till about eleven pm. When she left for what was apparently had dates with a new boyfriend someone susie had just started seeing after her separation from her husband Ted. A mind is racing. I also thought that maybe she had just fainted somewhere or. Had, a heart, attack or an accident or anything? Still won her mind settled her first move. was I just figured that? I had to go to Ted's. because. Maybe she was at Ted's, and they were having argument and to finance her phone. Something happened over there. Maybe something happened exactly. Remember Ted Casey had pleaded guilty to assaulting suzie six months before. That's why she moved off the ranch the apartment. When Thou arrived at Ted splits he could tell. The house was dark, and there were no cars there and it was kind of. It was like an eerie feeling. I just felt like I couldn't get out of the car. That myself, so she decided to leave and picked up her husband Rusty The two of them got a key, too suzy's apartment. They opened the door. And here's what they found was a videotape. The police made later. I was just kind of thinking that. Maybe the kids just didn't see her that she was asleep under the blankets or something. You know you just kind of like you're. You don't want to go there. Your body doesn't let you. Mind doesn't let you go there. As we kind walked through the apartment and really realize that she wasn't there again. That adrenaline burst of that. Something isn't right. Something isn't right empty. She's. She's called. She's not here. So found decided to go find that new boyfriend. Susie had a date with the last person to be seen with her. His name with Brad. Holzer, he would know where she was. Brad lived with his soon to be ex wife less than five minutes from Susan's apartment. Thou drove over. Knocked on the door I said so she's not home. We can't find her. She's answering calls and we're all really worried and then I. Remember exactly what he said to me. What do you mean she isn't home? I dropped her off at five am. That's when it hit that. We're going to the police. Something's not right. It certainly wasn't. A man whose marriage was breaking up the last man to be didn't know thing. Really, Well We. Suzy's boyfriend fields a few questions down at the station. Did you ever wonder about Brad whether he was capable of any bad thing when she went missing I wondered about everybody. Everybody was a suspect. Your mind is continues to play and play. Play different scenarios of what what could have happened where she is. People disappear all the time. America many of them. Turn up again. And maybe in some big city somewhere. Suzy's absence wouldn't have raised the alarm quite fast but here. Livia Rieger was young lawyer. Kidding this is Glenda right. She's gotTa to be around somewhere. Godwin Suzy's brother and sister-in-law roared around town looking. It only made them more upset. I have a younger sister and. Older brother and younger brothers but I just? You know as a kid when you're younger. You always wish you had things you did avid. I just always start at a big sister. When I met Susan Lucci was. She was my big. Sister. I didn't have that I wished for when I was a kid. I just I guess never like. She wouldn't be my wife. Mid afternoon, Val and her husband. Rusty drove over to the Glendale Police Department. They sat down with then captain later chief tie Orrick. Said Susie always answers her phone always. And I went to my office twice and tried to call. In to voicemail in town, the size of Glen Dive, the police were keenly aware of Suzy's history. The abuse six months prior at the hands of soon to be ex husband. Ted a a little insight in kind of new dynamics, then bell told the chief Suzy's life had just become even more complicated the night before she disappeared, said vow. Suzy was with another man guy named Brad who she said she was crazy about. And who had been the last person to see her before she vanished? Did you ever wonder about Brad? And whether he was capable of any bad thing when she went missing I wondered about everybody. Everybody was a suspect everybody was. Your mind continues to play and play in play different scenarios of what what could have happened where she is. Well. That question remained unanswered. Rad holder came in for an interview. Hershey she. Brad told the police that he and suzy actually had quite a long history along. Well. Okay, she was sixteen hundred nineteen. Down? They lost touch for nearly two decades at Brad until Saint. Patrick's Day two thousand eight just three weeks before she disappeared. When there is met to the far downtown. was. recognized. And in the weeks since. Brad said he and suzy spent every possible moment together, though given her kids and their respective tangled marital issues, it was complicated. The night before she disappeared, said Brian Susie had been drinking with a couple of girlfriends before he picked her up and they drove out of town to sit by the Yellowstone River. were. Eleven till five am. Grow older ORT. Same thing. It was just about five in the morning Brad. When he drove back to town and parked across the street from Susan's apartment. Did. You guys make out or anything before. Before she. Got, Back across the street. Lights. At least half strongly. So choose goals getting into the. Brad swore he drove straight home and went to bed, and then Brad cast suspicion. Elsewhere. Sources. Where do you think she's field against? I guess Ted Kennedy. Here. There was one more thing said Brad. Somebody sent him a weird email. The morning before his last date was susie. Maybe Ted was behind it somehow. Here it is it reads. Couch your girlfriend out. Does your wife feel about it? The sender a Denise Johnson. The only ancient. That made the cops ears perk up a missing woman, a mysterious email, one guy pointing ward another. There's somebody out there some jealousy. Probably I needed to find out who sent those emails. So they told Brad don't leave town. And they set out to talk to Suzie soon to be ex. Ted, Casey. Would you think. Well. I wasn't very happy. Know we're not living. The scorned. In, the interrogation room and details of a confrontation with suzy. Don't J. Connor head. But you're welcome. To this house? But. Now. I, suppose to such A. So much pressure and after a while. Explore thoughts about Ted. We're not very friendly at that point. by The Sunday that anxious weekend in April two, thousand eight, the whereabouts of susie Casey was a local preoccupation. Glenn Dive Montana. What did hurt disappearance. Do the people around town people were? Interested. I really interested I think. Few Years Prior probably back when I was in college and Glenda, have we had a homicide and It was a drug related homicide, but this was different. This was a mom who. Worked at the hospital that interacted with people generally and here she is, she's gone. There was a lot of talk about who man. We saw her walking down the street sometime. Maybe someone picked her up. The young attorney and Family Acquaintance Olivia Rieger couldn't help but hear what people were saying that she go home with someone. Did you off somewhere? Suzy's mother was afraid something awful. It happened, and for the second time she called Sister Carleen two hours away in north. Dakota, and that's when I knew something was really wrong, and so we packed up to cases and headed to Glenn. Dive to see what we can do to help finder, but where could they look? Glenn dive is the biggest town in a sparsely populated county, the size of Delaware. pharmore hiding places in there are people. We had a few things off a cell phone towers, so we kind of thought we have maybe an idea off a phone where it would have been last, we had horseback. We had four wheelers. Airplanes helicopters people on foot. And nothin'. Meanwhile process suzy's Chevy Trailblazer for any sort of evidence. Same in her apartment. And found. Nothing of being a particular importance anyway. Then, they had to look around outside Suzy's apartment building. And found something. At curious. Curious things actually. Thing one was a shoeprint in the alcove of the building next door, susie. and to over in the alley, maybe forty or fifty feet away looked like something had been dragged something heavy along the ground near the dumpster. Did. Either of those things have anything to do with Suzy's disappearance. Maybe the rejected husband could tell them Ted Casey. The morning susie vanished. He went to work out his brother with the project and Romeo. So by the next day, police were very eager to talk to Ted thoughts about Ted. We're not very friendly at that point. Had reasons to be upset with the woman who was leaving, you was angry humiliated. A costly divorce was looming child support to pay. I. They asked head about that incident in the bar the night they arrested him and put them in jail. Don't cake connor head. Fairly slapped her because she's yourself on ground and drinking. All. But I suppose to. So much pressure after awhile you know, expose explodes. Was a curious thing to say. Ted insisted he last seen suzy about seven o'clock the evening before she disappeared when she dropped off the two little girls, Kiana and Charlie at his house for the night. But Did admit that he confronted suzy on the phone. A couple of hours later after receiving a strange phone call himself around nine PM. Bradfo, or whatever or however you say things. Away, quick. Bread holder Suzy's boyfriend three weeks. Think both as breath. Well I wasn't very happy. I mean I called her up. and Said Hey. WHO. Grabbed hold for. Got GotTA. Call that you've been doing. All. No I never do that. I. Can you know we are still very? Even though we're not living. and. I. Bohm, you know what you call him right back. And then she admitted that she knew the guy. She. was about compensation. Was He upset. Yes of course. He said he was. And yet Ted told his interrogator he fell asleep right away, then got up around. Five am to do chores, Andropov girls with a babysitter and meet a CO worker at City Hall by six. By six o'clock. At the very latest, but. I was thinking of handling. Fix or something like that when I got there, but here's the thing. Ted Drove right past suzy's apartment. He admitted as much on his way to that meeting the City Hall. And, his own time line put him right there around her front door within minutes of when she walked across the street, all disheveled after making out all night with Brad Holzer. The very time. susie vanished from the face of the earth. As the Glendale Police Department checked out the story Ted went home to look after the two youngest girls who are now living with them full-time well. Suzy's two older kids Mariah and Shea went to live with vowel. Her husband Mariah was just tormented. She just didn't know what to do with herself she. was so close to her mom. It was just really really hard for her. And I just can't imagine kids that age trying to wrap their brains are, and we couldn't wrap our brains around it. So how can a kid of that age wrap their head around? What's happening around them? Harder and harder for everyone. As Day after day, the search for Susie produced nothing as time went on. It was clear that she wasn't around anywhere, so it was really scary time. What were those days like? They were Peter how! In wait, wait V phone. And then nearly a month after Suzy's disappearance. Did. You think that's the hardest. Damn my life. And I've had a lot of hard days, but that was the hardest a horrifying discovery by the river. And another discovery at the station. came. He said. Tell me start messing around with very. Brad Holzer why. What was she doing? Nearly a month after susie Casey vanished on an early spring morning in Glen Dive Montana. It was the Yellowstone River that finally gave her back. Actually sitting on my desk and the sheriff at the time, October and said there's a body floating in Fallon. Fallon is a small town twenty eight miles upstream from Glenn, die. and. We jumped in the vehicle and by Tommy got there. It was onshore. took a look I knew what she was aware from description, and just the features I now at that point that's were changing from missing persons to homicide. After we had the positive identification. I had to go tell the family. and was probably one of the hardest times I had to do that. There's just got so close to them over over the weeks. In on what they're going through and especially those kids that was tough. Suzy's family gathered at val and Rusty's house. Couldn't have been any yellow. By, they didn't go there all the way. Up, to do. At. My job was to keep this family together. Thank together through this. Authorities authorities came. told, US adults. It. What's her body? I didn't let my emotions just run with it. Because they knew we had those children downstairs. The older to Mariah Fourteen Shea twelve. Carleen is the one who told them. I think that's the hardest day of my life. And I've had a lot of hard days, but that was the hardest I think. Words spread that suzy had finally been found. The town of Glen I've both mourned and. Relax to some degree. I think it was almost like a sense of relief like how we found. We found her. We can move forward and see what happens, but this time agents from Montana's department criminal investigation had been called in to help the local police. Agent Lee Johnson. We determined from the autopsy that she was not breathing when she went into the water, so not drowning are so she was killed i. that's correct and the autopsy revealed that her highlight bone was broken, which is consistent with manual strangulation? Strangle the when. By whom? This time Brad. The last person known to have seen suzy alive. had been interviewed time again she left. She was wearing my white sweatshirt. And they talked repeatedly the Brad's wife. Though she and her husband maintain. They had no motive to kill Suzy. They were headed for divorce. Berkeley! But how did she feel really after all they were still living together. Did Brad's wife who might be considered? The odd woman out in a love triangle have a reason to get rid of Susan. Variety. Brad. But Brad story didn't change. He and Susie were out all night. He dropped her at her apartment around five am then drove a few blocks home and went right to sleep. And his wife insisted that was true. Came home from date of her own at six am and found who already asleep. Again But Brad's wife added to the mystery as well because it turned out sheet to claim, she got a strange phone call that the week. Susie, Back. Okay. Start Messing around with Mary. Was a female. Woman. This was getting stranger by the minute. Dad Remember claimed it was a male who called him to rat on Susie Brad said a female name. Denise Johnson sent him an email asking how his wife felt about his girlfriend? Police really needed something concrete something physical proof of Brad's whereabouts to back up his story and clear his name, and it was just just by fluke that we decided to check the bank for the footage and sure enough there it is. The bank. A US bank branch just a couple of doors down from Suzy's apartment. Of course it had a camera on its ATM. So they asked to see the video. At what do you know though ferry grainy and extremely hard to see clearly? It appeared to back up. Everything Brad said. Early in the morning. Just before five am four fifty two to be exact, you can see a pickup up across the street from the Ponderosa apartments. We see brad holes or pull up in his vehicle on the security cameras and Susan Casey is with him in vehicle for a period of time or twenty minutes. The Don light comes on. We believe that's when susie exits the. The vehicle and this was about five thousand nine hundred am then breads. Pickup pulled away out of frame. So then when Brad, Holzer's wife interviewed, she had been out all night. She comes home and said when she got home at six am. That Brad was in bed sleeping. We have a timeframe from five am to six am. Where Brad Holes or house to commit this homicide. And he asked to dispose of the body, or he has to hide the body somewhere and dispose of the later, and we just didn't feel that. Mr Holes or had strong opportunity in that time period, and certainly didn't have much of a motive to murder Susan Casey to hear. That was quite a relief as you might imagine for Brad, who has replayed the seen countless time saying good night to and pulling away before she got inside the apartment door. Hindsight it bothers me that I didn't wait and watch, but there there is no reason that anybody should be there. It's five in the morning. The whole town was dead ride. Just remember. Needing to get home wanting to get home as soon as possible, didn't cross my mind for a second, that anything had happened or that anyone was there. The gallant gesture he didn't make. Brad holes as all kinds of time to think about that. Sometimes I think about. I. Wonder What we'd be doing right now. There could have been a future there. Suzy was laid to rest on a sunny day in May, two, thousand, eight in the little cemetery outside her hometown. No one the slightest aware. Of, how much more but still the calm? You didn't make it home last night. An angry message from Suzy's husband, Ted. And a closer look at his story. You know you were a person of interest. Yes, and you can expect that sure, but how was it? To be treated that way, it doesn't feel good. You know every place. Go everything you do people watching talking. Point exactly! What did he do the morning of the murder? Love and money make the world go round of course. Though here as anywhere, they also happen to be. Leading motives from murder husband scorned convicted of misdemeanor domestic assault on the Hook for alimony and child support. And a life insurance beneficiary. So. Of course, the COPS had reason to suspect Ted. You're not. Got To admit that he drove right. Pass Uzis apartment very near the time. She disappeared that he was angry. Tried to reach on the phone. Actually I called. I Left City Hall. and. Yes, indeed here is the angry voicemail at left. Well. I just called Mariah and seems like you didn't make it home last night so Maybe what somebody called me and said. Maybe it's true. You're doing somebody else. So once again. It seemed those age. Old Motives pointed at the husband ninety percent of time you would be right, but was it possible. Ted could be the exception that proves the rule. A little checking revealed at Ted, was in fact at work that morning, as seen by a coworker, exactly when he said he was if he did commit a homicide. While you have time to dispose of a body, remember they found Susie and the Yellowstone River Twenty eight miles upstream from Glenn die so. Once again they pulled out that ATM video from the US Bank, the one beside Sushi's apartment building. Ted said he dropped his girls off at his brother's House that morning about five forty five am then drove to city hall to work. It's a small town and City Hall is just blocks from Suzy's plays. Ted Teddy drove right pastor apartment. And sure enough. We can see vehicle joined by the proximate time that Ted said. He drove by the Ponderosa apartments on the video at. The time. Five fifty two way. Just by Ted told the police. So he's basically got a fifteen minute window in their where he's dropping, his kids often accounted for, and then he drives a c Hall and works there for a period of time. Given how close together was. When of taken much time to kill Suzy, hide body. And retrieve later for disposal. Possible. Quite dot release. My phone records seemed to back up what Ted said about calling Susie the night she went missing that angry message. He left on her voicemail. Times proved. It was hours after she vanished meaning that either Ted was trying to fool the police with voicemail and his public movements that morning. or He didn't have any idea what happened to Susie. And therefore this time. The husband didn't do it if he was telling the truth that is. You know you were a person of interest. Yeah and you can expect that sure, but how was it? To be treated that way. It doesn't feel good. You know every place he'd go everything you do. You got people watching talking. Point and was behind your back, yeah! What's that like? Walk around sort of feeling a little niche in your back or something? Will you. Don't realize you're on edge all the time. It's hard to relax. You don't realize it until you go through it that. You can't relax you do, but you don't like. It's not normal, you know. Yeah. How does that affect your health? For. All of those. You know it probably Agencia. I guess you get used to you really don't. Notice it quite as much until you get pressure off you. You know like ten thousand pounds of weight off your shoulders. You know, but I did nothing wrong and. I had nothing to hide from so. Did? The police believe that. You'd think if they did believe him. They make some sort of announcement that Ted was in the clear. But they did not. And so it was awkward. Especially when they were looking for susy. Did you take part in the search idea. What was that like? It's kind of a tough situation you know. What happens if you find if you're by yourself and you find her, you know. What would that look like? And I never did get up. Give up hope that she was alive. You know I was hoping. Praying that she was still alive. You know even though she was missing that she would show up. You know reality you know. It's probably not going to happen, but. You know I never give up hope but at the same time if you found her. That would suggest you knew where she was in the first place because you put it there. The Kid, so ted was still a target, the investigation and also quite suddenly a single parent of two little girls Cayenne, and Charlie age six eight six days seemed like six months. You know I mean. You weren't sleeping much I had headaches every day for over a month. All Day Long. So how do you tell a little girl? Mother's never coming home that she said. I guess they just told them how they take it. Daybreak down. You know they didn't let me out of their sight for quite a few days. I, can imagine. And especially, when came nighttime offer? They were glued to you. There was remember an insurance policy and suzy's life. Ted was the beneficiary. Wasn't a lot. But they cut the check. And Ted Casey cashed it. What you do with. Paid her funeral expenses in i. what was left I split four ways between the four kids. Could've kept it. Could of, but that's not the right thing to do wasn't enough to be very much help to the kids. Not much. You know there was probably maybe. Three four thousand dollars left. After funeral expenses. But. It helped shape Mariah to so. So does Ted sound like a guilty man. But if it wasn't him and it wasn't the boyfriend Brad. Then who killed Suzie? Specific? And why? A mystery caller. Please call me I'm worried. Someone was desperate to reach suzy over and over again. It was the same voice. Let me, know that you're okay. Everybody is very worried about you. A stop to this guy is strange. Call that many times really kind of obsessive. We're all worried costs. Yeah, who is he talking about? Yeah. Boy this is something we need to look at here. Hey Guys Willie geist here this week on the Sunday. Sit Down podcast I get together with actor. Chris Evans to talk about his new series, defending Jacob and his step off the screen into public policy. Get our conversation now for free wherever you download your podcasts. There was something in the air that night. No doubt about it. Not, every deadly sin, but certainly several swirling city block in Little Glen Dive Montana. Something that put at least two men Ted Casey and Brad Holzer. On the same street within minutes of one another. Who own those is in the dark that watch Susan Casey in the moments before she disappeared. Gone. From the first moments don on the kids, parents and Siblings Susan Casey hadn't come home. Everybody's looking for you. Give me a call. That all of them give me a call. Tried calling the woman who never went anywhere without her phone. Hello! That phone was her lifeline as Susan's brother, Rusty and sister-in-law vows said during their interviews with investigative. On. Among whom was then captain tie already south up. Let's see which phone calls she had. that. Is What a very strange story began to emerge. And that's where we're seeing. All these phone calls from a number that we didn't know who belong to a number. Nobody recognized calling susie again and again all night long. But did that mystery caller leave a message? Either Valor Rusty knew how to access suzy voicemail. But. They didn't know who just might we know when I called? Nor I and I asked her. If she knew her mother's password to get into a voicemail, she knew instantly. Tie was sitting across the table from us, and the messages started to play. You. Don't call me back to one o'clock over and over again. It was the same voice I would love to hear from you and make sure everything's okay. And then starting you get like more desperate in needy. Don't know what to do. You won't answer me like really reminded me of. When you're a teenager and you have your first crush and the guy or the girl goes to call them the next day, and they don't answer. Usually most of us would stop. Please let me know that you're okay, but as a teenager, sometimes, their emotions aren't really under control, and they'll continue to call call call high school need to hear you played. It was like that, but the messages continued to get closer together, just more desperate. Please let me know that you're okay. please. Everybody is very worried about you. I just thought this guy is strange to call that many times is really kind of obsessive. We're all worried. Call us. Yeah, who was he talking about? The point, who was this guy who was he to Susie? And why less than four hours did he leave, not one or two or four or six? But twenty two voicemail messages for Susie. Please call me I'm worried. Their. Vows suddenly do. SUSIE had only hit it out. But there was another man in her life someone from her past with whom she'd reconnected as her marriage to Ted fell apart. This man. Her long ago I husband the father of her two older children. Marty Larson. Did. She talk about him at all. I knew that she had a previous marriage and camera, but I didn't know anything really more beyond that Marty, out of Suzy's life for nearly a decade. No contact, no child support nothing. But then in two thousand seven, Mariah curious about her biological father, found him on the Internet and reached out. Marty. Came to visit a timer to. At least once, Susie took the kids to see him three hours across the prairie in billings Montana. Parents were among the very few people who knew. They were not happy. We got into an argument and Nice said, Susan. You don't WanNa do this and dead. You know the family isn't gonNA, really go for this and she's dead. You mean everybody's GonNa. Disown me, and so I just ducked off, and I told him I said. I'm not gonNA live my daughter over him. At the end of it. Serious it got nobody knew really. Maybe they were just friendly. Maybe it was more than that. Now investigator Rick Type Marty Larsen in the database Anna popped up. and. I seen criminal trespass remember Suzy, married Ted Pretty quickly after she left Marty back in one, thousand, nine, hundred, ninety eight, but that wasn't the end of it no long after the wedding, apparently in a fit of Pique. Mardi drove three hours on the highway from billings to Glenn Dive and turned up. The newlyweds house. For the shotgun. And he admitted. That! Susini, kids who are probably safe, but Ted probably wasn't so. That's pretty much saying that he'd blow you away. You know a twelve gauge shotgun. WOUND YEAH! But that would be for you not for her. What he intended to do with a shotgun was never made clear, but he was convicted of criminal trespass, and was slapped with a lifetime restraining order no contact with suzy or Ted. Ever at that point I had a little red flag up. And said boy. This is something we need neither look at here. To Judge Him is twenty two phone messages Mardi. And by the way he's given first name was Walter was very worried about Susie. Desperate even as those nighttime hours went by without a word from her. But MARDI still lived three hours away in billings, so is that where he was calling from? One sure fire way to find out. Check the Cell Towers. We looked at Mari Cell, phone and we actually started seeing him pain from billings all the way to Glenda. Can I. ASK YOU ONE QUESTION I. AM I. Under arrest or something now being charged with no Marty as a revelation for police, we still love each other very much. For you, Kinda thank you to get back together. that. was. A. It's a long lonely road under the Montana mood. And even at the elevated speech allowed on I ninety four. It's a good three hours east northeast across the rolling prairie. From billings to the Ponderosa apartment building in downtown Glenn Dive. Ping, Ping Ping. Fast, the ever listening Cell Towers. And suddenly the COP at some homework to do. I didn't know who Marty was had no idea, but he knew from the towers that Marty Larsen was the third man to put himself near Susie Casey the night. She vanished, which is why he called the State Department of Criminal Investigation and soon after Mardi returned from Glenn Dive Agent, Lee? Johnson found himself standing outside Marty's apartment, staring at this freshly washed minivan. Video again, courtesy of the police! It was obviously very clean on the exterior, because invent through an automatic car wash. The interior vehicle had heavy condensation on the windshield redefined inside the vehicle been shampooed. The carpets had been cleaned. When you get into the cargo area, the back of the van had been vigorously cleaned out with some type of solution water, maybe cleaning solution. And in Martin Department, There's an empty bottle of toilet bowl cleaner in the kitchen. Garbage detectives looked at the toilets and the residence. They didn't look like they'd been recently cleaned, but yet we had an empty container of Lysol bathroom cleaner. That wasn't all they've found in the garbage. There was this. It appeared to be a list of expenses as if someone was planning quite seriously for Las Vegas wedding basically breakdown of the trip for lodging. Paying for a, minister. To marry them and the return trip home. Then when investigators asked Marty to take off his shirt, they saw scratches on his back now. How in Heaven's name with have gotten those some sort of struggle perhaps? So while the search for suzy was still going on. The agents suggested they all sit down for a little QNA. Party said sure but. Ask You one question for sure. AM I. Under arrest or something being charged with. Marty said he and Susie had reconnected the year before mostly for the children. But right away, said Marty. They fell for each other all over again like true soulmate. That time ten years prior when he had taken a shotgun to Ted and Suzy's house, all forgiven, he was a different man. The ten years we were part. I spent thinking. She hated me. She thought I hated her. In fact we still love each other very much for you kind of. Thing that you to get back together. That! was. So said Marty just before. Susie went out the night. She vanished. He talked to her on the phone and I told her before she wanted us to make sure you eat. She drink too much. Don't. You don't need to get it to you I. Get in trouble like that and she promised to call him back later. Overabundance, okay. After all thought Mardi they were a couple again. It was his business to worry about her and she didn't call. Color, twelve, thirty, six I hadn't heard from her. You make sure everything's okay. If you don't call me back to one o'clock I whether. She gotten arrested or what was going on. And then I thought. There see if. She's okay. Make sure she got home. Make sure everything's okay. What time did you leave? BILLINGS report? One thirty ISH and sure enough. When police pulled video at the blue basket were Mardi said he gassed up. TIMESTAMPS said one thousand nine am. And so he drove, he said, calling and leaving voice messages for Susie during the entire, two hundred and twenty miles dream I just need to hear it. Please please call me. I'm worried by expecting to hear back from saying. I'm fine. Don't come. But Suzy's called never came. Glenda then. Four thirty five again the truth. Mardi, cell phone pinged on a tower and the Glenn Dive area just before four thirty a m. you said he parked around, the corner walked to her apartment. Her car was parked outside as if she was home. Knocked on the door. Softly because they're detriments near the door. Hoping quaker. Kids. and. Open y'all she'd come and tell me she be okay. And there's no answer so I went out and. Call text a few. You type in a wake up. So did you ever encounter says? I wish I would have seen her. He swore he didn't see Susie arrived just before. Five am with Brad didn't see what they were doing in. The truck didn't see her cross the street to her door at five nineteen. But he did leave down. He said and video from another nearby bank seem to back him up. At five forty five am leaving one last frantic voicemail. You're okay. Police of course are paid to be skeptical. There's no doubt in my mind. You saw her this morning. But Marty stuck to his story, and when detectives asked him why his minivan was so freshly washed away after. One major thing. During the road hitting, there's budget. The bottom of. The bugs off of and open. On. Washing spray the deer often over John. Deere. Really. But Did you check into whether or not he actually did hit a deer, did we did? We checked with the highway patrol? They said there was consistent with a deer. It was not alive dear that he hit running. It was actually laying in the interstate, and when they tested the tissue on the van. Sure enough it was not human, could was animal tissue, but then when police asked if there was any way they'd find suzy's DNA in on or even under the van. Pretty sure that was party set something as he often did that made police one. Well I. Guess what I'm saying is. Always thought! Is that was? I guess I. Don't know for certain. That couldn't have been her what. was He tried to tell police? He ran suzy down. You. Know. I haven't done anything. You can. You can scribble everything under these events. Van Dear. And if that wasn't weird enough. Has the detectives left the room? Where are you? Those kids! Each, Of Us. We she knew where you were. Need, hardly say it. Marty was now the prime suspect the man in the crosshairs. Suspicion is so easy. The real question was did he probably do? What cop or prosecutor would wanna stay his or her career? On a wild bet like that. Suzy's. Consumed. Wouldn't sleep much at night. He told me one night. He just wanted. To Stop Feeling. I think it just haunted him. He was going to get justice for our family even if he had to do it himself. A whole new tragedy is about to hit suzy's family. Get phone call in the middle of the night. It was really impossible to believe that. We've already lost susie. This can't be happening to. Once Suzy's family found out that her ex husband Marty Larsen Glenn dive. The night she disappeared reaction was quick into the point if I knew all this. Ten years earlier at a talking for Ryan. Well meaning. You know. Here's what most thought pretty well right away. Just an add up that it was Brad. An APP that it was ted. But Marty perhaps. There were signs like those obsessive voicemails. Call me. And the bank video. He's own admission that he hoped to reunite with suzy. The probability he saw, Suzie, can noodling with Brad. The mini van washed to fairly will on his return home. At yet. Marty Larsen was not arrested. I think that frustration was really really hard for the family. What was your expectation that they would look at this material that they had and then just going arrest Marty? You. Know when you watch. Shows like this things move. They Progress I guess I just anticipated that these things would move forward. And who was responsible would be held accountable. And time just kept on going. Thing is at that point Suzy's sister-in-law. Vow and her husband Rusty. We're still hearing that Marty and Ted were both aspect. The time, Suzy's two youngest kids were with Ted. The older touche in Mariah were living with val and rusty. was extremely difficult for Shea. N. Mariah both I remember. We were so excited for him to have as own room his own space, but at night he couldn't. He couldn't sleep in his room. Had to sleep with Mariah. Scared Mari was to. Zone father. I don't think he ever really called him. Father Guinea of related. I think that he was afraid of Mardi. Bell had a newborn of her own to go along with those extra responsibilities. And an overwhelming sadness that sneaked into her bed, her kitchen for life, an unwelcome house guest that simply refused to leave. My son was four months old with. Suzy was taken from us. I don't remember. I don't remember walking out. Remember those moments I should remember has a mother. Meanwhile the investigation was stuck in the wheat. I was thinking couple months and we're. We're going to have an arrest. And we just didn't have the pieces at that time that we needed. Two Thousand Eight, the way of all years Ted kept to himself, Mardi moved left. billings went to Phoenix got a job. And at home and Glen, dive suzy's brother vows husband rusty. was having trouble with the rage. Suzy's. Consumed him. Wouldn't sleep much at night. And he told me one night. They just wanted. To Stop Feeling. I think just haunted him that he. Felt. Like. He could have done something. By the time, a representative of Montana's Attorney General's office met with the family. Many felt they were teetering on the edge of sanity. Still Wondering Mardi. Retired. What were the holder? That day I asked if she could tell us. As a family, the Ted was no longer suspect. and. She asked me why asking the question. I and I told her because I've. The two little girls were living with Ted at the time Man Ryan. Share living with me and I just felt like I was. The only person trying to salvage the relationship with the little girls in their siblings, and I just really wanted her to kind of crash that wall down and say that he wasn't a suspect in than her response to me was. That the case is still moving forward and he's still suspect. Closing to here, yeah, I mean I. Just I just really felt like I needed to hear that at that time and I didn't get to hear that and that it was still. Possibly could have had involvement. Ted. Still lived under a cloud of suspicion, believe that Marty Killed Suzie. There was a lot of nightside in sleep. Real good wondering if somebody is going to show up in the middle of the night. With a gun. But it was rusty during his many sleepless nights. Who devised a plan to do? What police and prosecutors seem unable or unwilling to do? He was going to get justice for our family. Even if he had to himself. Would you mean by a hat? He had made several plans. About how it was going to. Kill Marty. Take Marty's life just like already took suzy's. Would you say to him when he said things like that. That the case was moving forward in a that wasn't something he needed to do. We have the sun and our son needed him and me. Couldn't leave us. Eventually! It all came to that anyway. First. Ballon rusty divorced. And then in November two thousand eleven three and a half years after the night. Suzy was murdered. Phone call in the middle of the night. It was really impossible to believe that rusty her brother thirty two years old. Committed suicide. We've already lost susie this. This can't be happening to you know, and so it was really hard for my brain to wrap around that. And so Jack and Marlene went to the little cemetery in circle. Delay another other child to rest. It crushed them and then to lose their two youngest. It just seems like they aged fifteen years. Do you think rusty would be around today if they had moved quicker on that case. I try not to go there. I mean. There's all these tips, whatevs. But then wasn't long after her rusty was put in the ground. A new county attorney was elected in Glen Diet. You ve already met her Olivia Rieger I. Really felt like we had a duty to give some sort of explanation to Jack and Marlene and their family as to what was going on. If the case was going to go somewhere or if it wasn't, they needed to know, they couldn't be sure. Left, dangling out there certainly were dangling absolutely, and if that were all the hope for an answer and justice might have simply ended there. One morning as Livia was settling into her new office, there was a knock at the door. A man had come to call. And he smiled and say hi. Brown, light, and we're GONNA. Try a homicide. Think my stomach was in my throat, because especially when he said we're going to try homicide and I thought are. Are you kidding me? At last. and New anguish at no one in the family saw coming the hate you pretty hard. I just dropped the phone and. Just cried. Cried and cried and cried. I just I couldn't believe that that could happen three times. One family. Live Reeker could scarcely believe her is the man at the door. The man who clearly intended to enlist her in some sort of cause was one of the best known prosecutors all of Montana so when you saw him at the door that day. What happened? Do I think. My stomach was in my throat, because especially when he said we're going to try homicide and I thought are. Are you kidding me because I am new here, you know. He brought boxes of files and he said I'm going to be back in six weeks and I want you to get on this and read all this stuff and we're going to talk about how we're going to do this. This is Brad. Blight, who, before he showed up at Livia, door was appointed. The State Attorney. General's chief prosecutor. The often helped. Small jurisdictions handled big cases. How'd you get involved in this particular case? Well I come to the Attorney General's office. There was another chance secure at that time? Simply didn't think there was enough evidence. I then took her position and I told my team. Let's look really hard at this and. Months later after very hard look. I thought it was a great case. I thought circumstantially it was overwhelming. Then Brent, light met with Suzy's family, asked for their patients and promised he would issue an arrest warrant for the man he was now convinced was the killer. Larson I just I saw my family and their family, a good strong family, and to have this death. Occur to have her. Get out of car and then never make it to the front door. Twenty steps and we can explain to them. What happened in those twenty steps I thought they deserved to find out in February. Two thousand twelve almost four years after suzy's murder of Phoenix, SWAT team descended on Marty Larsen, as he walked out of his apartment on his way to work. Back in. A certain ex- suspect finally relax when you knew he was under arrest in and in jail. How does it Change Your Life? You know it took a lot of stress off me. Glendale Police Department how you doing and the man who took Suzy's original persons report sat down to interview. Marty just arrested guy for homicide when I walk in I'm expecting some say you're crazy. I didn't do this. I don't WanNa talk to you at all. I find a guy. Sitting interpreters lays crossing arms. Crossed the side? The only thing I have to say is I have no idea what happened to her. I don't know how. She passed away. That's it. I pretty much knew when I was. Targeted years ago. Something like this could happen at any time. This Day could come so. What does that say? That said to me, always been thinking in the back of his head that he would be arrested for this crime. They took Mardi back to Montana stuck in the county jail to await his murder trial. And as the spring of two thousand, twelve arrived, it seemed that things were finally looking up for Suzy's family. Relief especially, mom and Dad I think really felt like susie would finally get some. Get some justice. And there was another reason finally for the family to celebrate Suzy's eldest child Mariah was graduating from circle high school. Senior photos retaken announcements were printed up and sent out. A party was planned in circle. Then the day before the ceremony. She had said you know. Going to be my graduation and my mom is not here to sing. And I know, but I said GW. And she cried. Mariah and Marlene dried their tears. And the young girl bounded out of the House and drove away. What happened anyway folks. Well, they that cheap travel extreme. When throw Renault, skid. March or nothing tell she hit the ditch and it rolled. That kid would never leave without her seatbelt on. Not Nights. She didn't have it on and throw it out. Mariah, Larson? Just eighteen years old. I'll remember is answering the phone. My mom telling me and that's all I remember. I just dropped the phone and. Just cried. Cried and cried and cried. I just couldn't believe the duck had happen three times. In one family. I never really grieved first susie. Just like I never really grieved for rusty. Until Mariah's accident. That was the day agree for three of I can't imagine that scope of loss. How you managed! either. That hit you pretty hard, but. When she was killed. Is that the appoint? That gets you every time. Mariah was laid to rest in that little cemetery outside circle next to her uncle, rusty and her mom, susie. Had A hard time living without a mom. And I guess advice. Cheap finally went to be there. Taft. Didn't make two one. Three trillion. And right along with the family that day was the new prosecutor on the case it showed. Me A lot about Brownlee. Because he traveled from Helena after only meeting that young girl one time, he came from elementary funeral. and. He had a message for the family. And from Marty Larson, it was very clear in this case from both sides. There was not any any negotiations. We never talk negotiations. We simply talked about trial. Let's go to trial. Bravado Circumstantial cases especially like this one can be tricky things. That shoeprint those drag marks and that surveillance video from the bank. Would any of it point to Marty? Looked like a different person my was he tried to change his look, so he would not look like the person who is on the bank ATM There's a big Husky guy. Maybe two hundred ten pound man, and here's a person who might now be one hundred and fifty pounds, hundred and sixty pounds. All of us were a little taken back. Dive as we have, said not a very big place. The walk from Susan's apartment door to the Dawson county courthouse would take. Less than a minute. Five years from crime to trial five years. One City Block. Where in April, two thousand Thirteen Marty Larsen finally faced a jury. Clearly to me. He was the person that committed the crime. Now. My Chore Was Guam. Prove it. When, Marty Walk in Portland Gasp. Sure didn't look like the picture, but I was shown of him he'd lost like seventy seven pounds or something like that, so he looked like a different person altogether, so I think it was a little shock and everyone's mind. All of us were a little taken back. Wait. Was it intentional? More on that in a minute. First. Prosecutor light listed what he said were motives for Mardi Kill Souci. Motives as old as time jealousy pride. Rage. I think Marty was absolutely convinced that he and Susan. We're going to get back together that his family was going to be reunited that they were GonNa move out of state away from her family and that they were going. Have this this close knit relationship? He was prepared to marry her. He was making financial plans to marry her and I. Really think he thought that was going to happen I. Don't think Susan Debit. He certainly thought that, and all of a sudden here comes Brad. Here comes somebody telling him that she's seen this other guy. That's why the prosecutor and phone record back it up. Marty made those phone calls Brad to strained wife and a Ted Casey shortly before the murder. Alerting he's estranged, but still married people that something untoward was going on. I think at that point. He thought well. Let me just break this up. His efforts were all just about breaking them up. And that effort. Included emails. The MARDI denied it. Did you send emails? On. Search of Marty's computer revealed he had created that email account under the name, Denise Johnson, and sent those emails to Brad asking how his wife felt about his girlfriend. And when police showed up at Marty's door the very first time you know, he's racing things on his computer and de fragmenting the hard drive appeared to be getting rid of something something. On the night Susan disappeared phone records revealed that she and Marty last spoke at nine fifty one PM. Then Susie was aware that Marty of trying to sabotage their relationship Brad. After the phone call Suzy Kolber daughter Araya. Question She wanted to know each. K.. In. Answer why she? Was Calling, On? The phone record showed suzy stopped. Returning Martin called. That's why at one, thirty nine am Mardi was caught on that gas station surveillance camera, leaving billings to head toward Glen Dive. I think when he left. Billions never intend to kill her I think he gives us intent to confront her. To find her and confront her about what's going on. The jury heard that Mardi left twenty two voicemails as he drove over the next three hours is cell phone. Ping and Glenn Dive just before four thirty a M. Then by his own admission, Mardi Park, right around the corner from Susan's apartment building next to the bank. That's when the banks ATM started. Telling a story like nothing else could for twenty seven am. Prosecutors argued this figure. Right here is Mardi walking towards Suzy's department. Our theory was he got to -partment on rag before she returned, and there's a little concave little store front. And we believe that's where he was standing. That's at the prosecutor is when he left that footprint found in the dust in the alcove of the building next to Suzy's. Send! The tape showed at four fifty. Two Am Brad and Suzie pulled up in Brad's truck. Five nineteen a M. The Dome like game on Susie opened. The door got out just steps from her apartment. When she stepped out of Brad's car after he had stood in that concave for fifteen to twenty minutes as they are in the car, doing whatever they were doing, I think he he gave his extremely angry, and when he saw her, I think he confirmed her I think she confronted him right back? I think when she told him that she was going to. Continue a relationship with Brad on that Mardian her were done. I think he was a no one's going to have susie SORTA. It came to a head in that little little allie there. And I think that's when he strangled. Strangled, her prosecutors argue. But not before Susie left those telltale scratch marks found on Mardi back. The state's theory. That Marty dragged her body across the alley, leaving those drag marks near the dumpster. Then a five thirty eight am figure walked back toward Marty's minivan. After he walks back the next thing you see, is that silver? Van Pulled back in front of Susan's. There's about a five minute wait. I believe he's. He's putting the body into the back of that van. And then you see the van pull aside. That prosecutors when Marty started driving back to billings. You have a body and your van I think the river was the fastest and easiest way for him to end to buy him some time. Prosecutors produced this video, showing Mardi at eight fifteen am seventy eight miles down the road, stopping for gas, wearing a white t shirt black shoes that were never found. Did he throw them away when he dumped her body? Attend Twenty nine am Marty was back in billings leaving his first voicemail almost five hours. This one with a decidedly different tone. Good Morning Sweetie I was just hoping that you would. Talk Me, I have my own charging right now. Give me a columnist one. Thank you totally different tenor when he still hadn't talked to her, I would have thought that you would have been even more angry as time went by that. He still hasn't return your calls he they still don't know where you are. Now he's he's gone into alibi mode and the final piece of the puzzle prosecutors. Remember how Mardi vigorously cleaned his minivan inside and out. Not Quite enough. One hair was found. It was in the back of the van. Where you'd put a body, and of course we did. The might have conjugal DNA and it was. Hers was in the back where we believe he later. So. A strong circumstantial case. except. The Marty who showed up in court? Did Not look. Like demanding video, my belief was he tried to change his look, so he would not look like the person who was on the bank ATM. There's a big Husky Guy Maybe two hundred and ten pound man, and here's a person who might now be one hundred and fifty pounds, hundred and sixty pounds. Back at work. With question after all the state's case was entirely circumstantial. There were no eyewitnesses. The bank video was so bad. Even the judge wondered at times what he was looking at. And they never found shoes to max the footprints in the alcove. O'Brien fight had taken a chance all right on a difficult case. That, the defense was yet to come. I don't think anyone knows how this crime happened. There was not enough evidence to bring this case. Ted. Casey I believe it was the only one who had a real motive. A shot from the defense was the wrong man on trial I couldn't have done. Listen you put yourself there. That's the point you've put yourself at the Christ and I put myself in a position for them to talk me right. You had the opportunity you had the motive Marty Larsen speaks. Can you see her looks? And so does the jury. Mardi Larssen's defense attorney had one big headline for the jury. I don't think anyone knows how this crime happened. Rodney Hood is a seasoned and respected Montana defense attorney, and her review of the prosecution was harsh, sheer speculation. She said for a good story, but offered very little in the way of actual proof that Marty Killed Suzie. I believe there was not enough evidence to. Bring this case, and that's one of the reasons why it wasn't filed for. All those years. Because other prosecutors determined, there wasn't sufficient evidence. Much more evidence against Ted Casey. She said Ted Casey I. Believed was the only one who had a real motive. They were fighting about the children. The monetary aspects of their marriage and she had indicated Tamari on several occasions that she was fearful of Ted and I believed that his recounting of what he did that morning headed been properly investigated would've found to have been less than perfect alibi. Prosecutors of Gore's argued that there was no evidence that Ted or for that matter Brad or his then wife or anyone, but Marty Larsen Killed Susie. The defendant himself testified at the trial. And agreed to sit down with us, too. So what do you want people to know about you? I guess the main thing is just. I had nothing to do with killing suzie. I would never have done anything. To her. Or take her away from. My kids or Her two little girls, I couldn't have done that. It's. It's hard to imagine. Being. In a frame of mind where a person could do that. It is hard imagine. Brady Bunny. Yeah, it's mean never times where I wasn't happy with her, but I've never done anything. To physically hurt her. I. It. Just wasn't anything I Just I I could never get that angry. I guess. Usually, I was angered if. Even, now and angry it's. More verbal. I tend to say things I shouldn't say. Hurt that way I guess. Martin it system that his very last contact. Suzy was that phone call nine fifty one PM eight hours before she disappeared. What happened that conversation? Why did she not WanNa? Talk to you at all afterwards and block your number in the roster during that call she called to. Ask Me. I don't remember if you asked me or she accused me of calling Ted. I did. that. She was mad about that. Yes. By toltar- didn't do it and it wasn't me. Why why would you do their a about it? The lying about it was because I. I knew I had done something stupid night. Don't guilty about it. The why I did it. A lot of it was because of being hurt. Because what she had been telling me. was. That Whatever she had. As far as a relationship with Brad. She'd been telling me for a week to ten days or so. That was over. Apparently wasn't. And I guess I'm wearing my head I suspected that and that's why. I sent the emails. There was a lot of. Confusion. Confusion or something else that made him decide to drive three hours, too. Suzy's place in the middle of the night. That's a bad decision. Right? You see that now. Oh, yeah, the whole time I was driving. I was hoping that she would respond and say I'm fine, so I can turn around and go home. That was that was all I wanted to snow? She was okay. And Still Marty insisted that when he got to her apartment, he just didn't see susie right across the street with that. Guy Brad. No, he claimed he waited for her in a spot where he couldn't have seen her walking to the door. That's the part I stick with me. I'm thanking. Here's a guy who cares deeply about this woman and what cheese up to. And he sits where he can't see the interest to her apartment building. Don't give me that that's crazy. I can't make people believe. BELIEVE ANYTHING I know what I did. I know where I was listening. You put yourself there. That's the point you put yourself in the. Put myself in a position for them to look at me and right, you had the opportunity you had the motive. If just being. In the vicinity. You could have enough with within that timeframe, yes. Looks? I can. I can. There are a lot of things I don't understand myself. Why do I don't understand why. Especially now. Why couldn't have just stayed home and tried to contact her a few times and I guess in my head I had some sort of thought that I could do something to help if she needed help. Sometimes with a girl like Susie the thing you can do to help is to walk away. Yeah probably. Probably would have been messed. At least for me. Marty Larson's jury without for about as long as it took Mardi drive from billings to Glenn Diet the night. Poor suzy leftist life three hours. The verdict. Guilty, what was it like to hear that guilty for out doors? Everybody who and Haller and Just like a big weight just. Lifted off you. There's something hugely important about justice couldn't bring her back course, but did the verdict matter. Oh. Yes, it did really set my mind at ease. It really did help us to move on every time. We get a guilty verdict. The first thing I do is turn to the turn the family I love for that two or three minutes to look in their eyes, and then to see the smile on their faces, and to see them the joy that they have for me. That's what it's all about never ever. In my probably whole career have a time that I loved being prosecutor like I did right then. This is where Marty Larson lives now. Crossroads correctional in Shelby Montana of near the Canadian border. What did they sound two hundred ten years? What does it do to you? What does it do to your soul? It's hard for me to put it into words, but when you wake up in the morning. I look around a lot and just. Have trouble. Believing that. It's real. That I'm here your first? Parole possibility is what we way thousand forty. Wait. But of course, it's far more than just a long wait for Susie, Rusty Mariah. Cascade of grief begun that night, deep and long. Just can't understand how. The guilt. And the emotions aren't just consuming him. Because losing her. It's still consuming us. He took her life and. Part of our heart. That, he'll never rape this family up. And he had. No he hasn't. Shea just twelve when his mom was murdered graduated from High School in two thousand thirteen. Ted and Suzy's daughters Diana and Charlie junior bridesmaids, aunt vow remarried. But there are too many from this family in the Circle Village Cemetery. Something a family gets used to. They just learned to work around it. They go on. We're not victims. Were survivors and survivors keep on living life? and. We're survivors. ooh! The meet the press. Chuck Todd Cast. It's an insider's take on politics, twenty twenty election and more candid conversations with some of my favorite. About things we usually discuss off camera. Listen for free wherever you get your podcast.

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Conor Dougherty: San Franciscos housing crisis is coming for your city next

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Conor Dougherty: San Franciscos housing crisis is coming for your city next

"Are you building a new website from the ground up and I mean getting really hands on with coding and hosting and all the rest of it checkout name dot com they offer dot com domains for just eight nine thousand nine and that includes free management features like DNS templates bulk actions. And everything else. You need to manage your websites. Plus new users get free privacy protection and security features right now. Our listeners can use the Promo code decode at checkout to get fifty percents off G. Suite accounts for a full year and there's no limit to the number of accounts you can sign up for. That's named Dot Com D. E. C. O. D. e. At checkout. Hi I'm Cara Swisher editor at large recode. You may know me someone who finally saved up enough money to buy a new house in San Francisco. It's a three square foot house made of legos. But in my spare time just reporter and you're listening to Rico decode a podcast about power change in the people you need to know around tech and beyond were part of the vox media podcast network. Today in the red chair is Connor. Doherty an economics and housing reporter for the New York Times. He's the author of a new book about economic inequality called Golden Gate's fighting for housing in America it explains the causes and effects of the housing crisis in San Francisco and asked this city is really the model for the future of the country. Connor welcome to Rico decode. Thank you so much for each other. You've been covering a topic that's not near and dear to my heart but something. I'm super interested in and I there's lots of ways we're GONNA go here But let's start first about how you decided to do this. When working at the time doing a lot of different things correct. You hadn't been covering this. I was originally high so I covered housing for ten years for the Wall Street Journal Economics Housing and I was hired to cover Google member at the times and I did that for. Maybe all of eighteen months. Ah I probably shouldn't say this but I was not the best corporate report. I was really proud of some of my stories but I was never so great at getting super deep inside the company and I liked covering. Why did you want to cover Google? Google? We'll talk about since you have no tolerance for evasion. I just wanted to get a job at the time so they offered me that job so I mean I was excited when I took the job I thought to myself. This'll be something totally new. Let's dive into it and I was out in the bay area. I'd been in New York for ten years and I thought to myself and this is a great segue into housing okay. I'm here now. If you want to be in reporter in this place you got to get in right to the to the company town so I thought that would be a great way to do it and it did lead me to housing all this other stuff related to housing and actually oddly enough you may or may not know how interested they are in housing When office and commuting and things like that it's it's interesting I think more Sergei than Larry which is interesting. I've had many many discussions with him about commuting and bicycles. Remember when I dropped all the bicycles and a liveable city? So it's interesting though. They many people blame them for. We'll get into that in a second. I will say for what it's worth when I covered Google tried to interview Larry. Of course never was successful but I did corner him events a couple times and he always blew me off and I asked him about different tech topics and he always gave me that. I'm bored look gives you but the one time I did ask him a housing question. He just lit up and got very into it. It was the one time I asked him a question and he looked at me and really engaged in gave a long answer so I did find. That indicative. Always been thinking about that. What headquarters are in effect in the headquarters east of nine different office type? Seda quonset hut at one point in the early days. People don't call that but they really have been that said they've been linked to the problem in DC in San Francisco. Excuse me so talk about why he decided. Obviously how's it is an enormous issue around this country? We had the housing crisis that we had the controversy but in San Francisco is particularly unusual situation. Or maybe it isn't. Why don't you describe it? I think it's particularly unusual in that. It's the worst version of something every city has but I one of the things I've struggled with with the book is Almost struggled but a lot of people wanna See San Francisco as this truly exceptional anomalous place and it's not it's just a version of it. It's an early and amplified version of something. That is happening everywhere. I mean I did travel extensively for the buck went to Minneapolis Boston. Vancouver British Columbia. A couple of other places that were in had the same basic problem and aside from the magnitude and the political culture was the same. So I think San Francisco is I really do believe it is an early. Look at the nation's future and when I say San Francisco I obviously me and the whole greater the bigger cities because I think one of the Democrat Trans obviously bigger cities in how we cope with those people living in them paint San Francisco picture. This is a city that let's be clear. It has limited space. Now you talked. About enormous amounts of space. It has just what it has surface. Cisco does but I mean obviously the outlying area so my short origin story which I think your listeners like is that I was covering Google and I was talking to Jeremy. Stop Lamon about which you know you'll be up. Sorry about what you know. His favorite topic is which is how much hates Google and how much the government should be a intervening doing antitrust enforcement and all that and at the end of the interview. I often try to leave a couple of minutes for some random question to so to see if I could keep my story ideas going. I asked him. I said well I heard your into housing. And you're interested in this horrible housing crisis. We have and he told me. Oh I've given a bunch of money to this woman. Her name is so neutral. She's a little Kooky she runs. A group called BARF. The Bay Area Renters Federation unthought. That's odd here's this guy who obviously had quite a lot of money if you really wanted to get involved in local politics in a traditional ways. Got More than enough money to do that. You'll have a publicly traded company and also as. I'm sure you know Jeremy. He's he's not like one of these talking about singularity all the time he's a very serious guy so and straight and narrow kind of guy And I I thought that's odd so I called Sonia up and then I went hung out with her for a couple days and watched her kind of go to City Hall and Complain About Housing and all she had all these followers. And all these young people really I when I say young obviously twenty five to thirty five engaged in her thing and there really was something going on there as an economics reporter. I was hyper aware. Maybe more than most people that there was a ton of research that this housing thing was a big problem and then it had been a big problem for a long time at Glazer. Who is this Harvard economist? Who's very famous for? Having called that there was a big housing crisis I knew all his research was out there and the Obama administration right around the same time at Suny had started to release papers on this too. So in my mind I thought this is wonderful. Illustration of this very wonky topic. Here's the first time I've seen someone who who's looking for housing and his will where there's a housing shortage and in the past. The story had always been much more academic. Say It's just a very boring dry so I- latched onto that story mostly because my best because it was a great way to illustrate basically academic research and that led me to only and other things is is this yes in my backyard very famous words. Nimby which is not in my backyard. Build here don't do density building and for those who don't know San Francisco. There is hardly any density building. It's the lowest of profile city. One of them that I've ever seen maybe some European cities but there were denser actually In tea and especially and they better public transportation throughout But it it's there's not a lot of housing there's not enough housing And throughout California. That's an issue. I think it was. What thirty three million housing units is correct or thirty five minutes? I don't actually know the answer that I do know that California has less per capita housing than any other UTAH. And that's actually an anomaly because you ties much larger families so it really is the worst. So you don't have enough housing and then at the same time you have this conversation of very wealthy people wanting to live in cities and there's a trendy demographic trend towards young people wanting to stay in cities versus go fleeing to the suburbs which had been happening for years so it's a return essentially people with lots and lots of money. Then there was the tech money and we'll get into that in a second so you had a situation that was sort of ripe for what happened so explain what happened. Had these people saying we got build here and you have this group of state local San Francisco. People often wealthy people who don't want you to build and keep it as adorable as it is. San Francisco for all its history and I've read a lot of history about the place in California generally has always always perfect people show up and it the the version that they see when they show up is perfect. And I think that that's certainly part of the place as you. Well know. The actual city of San Francisco had started to become much more of a tech hub than it had ever been companies like salesforce and twitter and other companies and Uber were actually being located in the city of San Francisco. This of course led to the tech buses because so the opposite meaning that the companies that were down in the valley. We're sending us up to get people who want to yes. There are these large double decker buses with Darth vader tinted windows and UC. You can be in a very kind of quiet neighborhood in San Francisco with just two lane. Streets in this giant bus will be on the corner and you will see all these people in their bose headphones in their backpacks and their casually dressed tech uniforms lined up. Ready to go into these buses and this became a very a galvanizing moment for the city. Because it really looked like a two-tier system here was these you know the San Francisco Public Transit is not terribly good. And here are these these people and of course on top of that you read all these stories amazing healthcare and free food and childcare working gyms and all these things and here are these amazing buses and I think that this I talk about this a little bit in the book. I think this started creating the perception about people is that these people do not have a stake in the city. They they come here. They use it as a vessel but they aren't Particularly worried about its public systems. It's th they do not have a kind of common good in it and at the same time. If you recall there was also this somewhat famous viral video where a bunch of employees of some company I forget had reserved a soccer field and got into a big fight with the Latino kids in the mission who had used that soccer field for years and years and years and it became this very intellectual argument where the the tech guys we reserved this online and the and the young guy was saying. We play here every Saturday. There's no reserve so I think that there was this fairly or unfairly. There was this reckoning over the idea that tech people were coming in erecting. Their own systems existed separately. Yeah and one day felt were better. The buses solve the problem and I understand. I obviously understand where the company's coming from there like we need people they are up there. We're going to send buses to get them. It's not our fault that this city does not have great This region does not have great public transit. And they're growing so fast I mean look how many people right and we'll bypass including they were thinking about hydrofoil. There were so Coleus. God Yeah there was That I did actually run a couple votes Just as a test run a couple of times so so transportation is obviously huge providence. You trauma that everybody in that region is experiencing and I think that it led to a lot of resentment that they're not trying to solve this problem for the region the way that public goods are the subway or any other and They're trying to solve for themselves. Only and I think that became a very on top of that was obviously. There were a number of studies about this that everywhere. They created attack bus. Stop the rents would go up now. This is where the NBC comes in. Yes and my backyard. Sonia who is this? Who'S NOT FROM THE TECH INDUSTRY. She was a high school teacher but the texture quickly latched onto her. And I don't just mean Jeremy and all the people who trump to meetings with pretended to be twenty five year old engineers. That sort of thing. She showed up and said this is not a sin tax problem. This is a housing problem. You created all these jobs. All these people want to come here if you call. The breast of the country was still recovering from the recession. At that time so I think unemployment was so quite high nationally and good employment was still quite a lot that remains low so all these people were coming to the bay area and in her mind she's from Philadelphia. Which if you've ever been to fill up it's a lovely city but there are still some pretty depressed parts of the entire blocks of empty property. She said look this. A housing problem not attack problem and I think the tech industry really glommed onto that because her and we can talk about this. Because you said you wanted to Kim my cutler a woman at Tech crunchers now at Initialized capital. She wrote this piece called. How burrowing owls lead Marcus? That was all about the tech bus protests in the essential. Gist of the piece was. This is not a bus problem. This housing problem so there was all this kind of. Let's call it backlash and I think that a lot of the people in the tech industry liked glommed onto this partly because these were people saying this is not your fault and they got very into history very economics reading about the housing shortage reading about how the Bay area has this long history. Nimby as them and I think what happened was people in the tech industry loved this topic partly because it was true so I should say the bay area doesn't housing prop not but also because this was a group of people and Movement and ideology that we saying this is not. Your fault is the region's fault for having bad public policy. I think we've gotten to a more nuanced conversation. But when we're talking about the origins at the beginning I really think partly it was. People saying people were very attracted to this idea. That here is a group. That has absolve us of guilt for merely coming here. And I truly sympathized with some of those people. You're whatever twenty two years old you go to college for computer. Science work very hard in these math classes while all your friends are writing papers about you know some easy topic and getting high in reading. I'm joking but I was a stem major in. It is much harder physical chemistry major and they moved to San Francisco for a good job and wherever they're from I met this one guy. He was from some tiny little town and kisses and he was like well. San Francisco sounds like a great place and you read all this romance and then everyone hates you merely for showing up and I think it's hard for people who are their signs all over the place. There's all kinds of scum sold on the. Yeah and and I think I understand why they were why there was a backlash because it's not fair. Either let's talk about what had the impact and then we'll get into the overall the bigger which I think you talk about quite eloquent. I should say so. The book kind of follows. The Ark of the one of the many ARCS in the book follows Sonia in this rise. In this you'd be thinking became very very powerful and kind of looks at how it began at that origin which I was there for and then by the end they're running for office and they got tons of money. Cgi is giving them a lot of money all right. So we're here with Connor Doherty. He's written a book called Golden Gate's fighting for the housing in America. It's about San Francisco but it's about our country and we'll talk about that larger issue when we get back. This episode is brought to you by Sen. Rob a luxuriant hand bike brand making super versatile bags for modern multifaceted women. 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Times reporter covering income inequality in issue housing around the bay area but around the country too but the bay area has become sort of this flash point of Of homelessness this issue around who gets to pay for these things who can live in cities if they're liberal cities for anybody who isn't very wealthy So let's paint the picture so you have the tech people coming in the rents. Do go up. And they move in and move renovate and by anyone. Who's bought a house in San Francisco knows? The process is shocking in terms of When I bought a house here in DC. I was sort of amazed by the ease of it like any and they have a housing issue here and it was sort of you know at one point. I'm like I'll take three or something because it's so crazy it's such a crazy thing you're used to in San Francisco so there's not enough housing. The housing prices go up. What has happened talk about sort of paint the picture of San Francisco Right now? What happened is for starters? It starts to feel much much much. More like a monoculture right you so there was a great article in the San Francisco. Chronicle that I think the headline was the grain of San Francisco and you can see as people buy these homes. They paint them. I think it's called gentrification gray and the in San Francisco's known private these lovely colorful homes and suddenly there these gray homes On top of that just the prices go up to to levels you cannot imagine on top of that. There were a number of things there. Of course we're some very very public evictions. There is a thing in San Francisco in in in all of California called active actions which is when someone buys a place that attendant lives in and tells them you have to leave. Because I'm just GONNA move in this started to become a a way to create condos so people would buy what were effectively apartment buildings and say. I'm going to move in. But then they didn't really move in. They flipped them to condos and and so across the the city you started to see the influx of wealth wealth kind of lived on. Its Own. Because if you think about the actual number of people who work in tech is still not in. San Francisco is still not that high. It's like seven or eight percent or something but the influence it has on the city and specifically it's real estate prices is way outside. I think forty or fifty percent of the people who buy who are buying homes in San Francisco our from tech but the actual employment is not that high on top of that. The homeless problem which is why it should be sad has always been a problem in urged since the eighties has been a problem in San Francisco but it just got so so so much worse so talk about how that happened because there was a a discernible shift. In the Way San Francisco homeless be just exploded. And I've lived there for twenty some years And it. The shift was dramatic and quickly. Even though there was always homeless problem it became something much more significant. And of course it's gotten nationwide worldwide and it's just a simple cascading effect. You have the home. Prices go up and everyone moves down a notch. The the So I'll give you an anecdote from the book. I followed a family in Redwood City as they were just placed by landlord so this was fifteen year old girl she her mom is a does elder care cleaned houses and and Melissa Jenner. So she's the woman who takes care of your grandma the woman who cleans your house under the table and then the woman who comes in and empty trash can as you are leaving your office. So this woman. They got an eight hundred dollar. Renting guy bought. The building gave them an eight hundred dollars. In interest they organize to fight this rent. Increase GOES ON FOR A couple of months spoiler. They don't win. They do get by out so then I went back so they move out. I went back. Who moves in of course throughout the fight in the process? People say seventy from FACEBOOK'S GONNA move in this. This is the only people who could afford this. I go in. It's another Latino family with the almost the exact same job profile sons worked construction in the MOM did house cleaning and and some other things but they had just stuffed like eight people into this place that used to have four so across the housing spectrum you see people crowding in you see tons of tech people into crowding into higher end apartments and so there's this cascading effect and the people at the very very very very bottom are pushed out and they just go to the streets and I think that that is. I think it's pure and simple that there's a lot more people there. They are much much more willing to crowd into places and kind of bulk up to compete to meet the higher rents and the people at the very bottom. I should note Homeless people. This is not universally true but he's largely true. I've spent a lot of time with people they often do. Not Have the greatest bonds. Family ties are not super strong. They don't seem to have the best community or friends. And so those are the people who get pushed out and obviously there's a large degree of mental health and drug addiction problems amongst homeless people. But that doesn't explain. The price explains it because they're of course lots of people struggling with substance abuse problems and mental difficulties all around country and they don't have horrific homeless problems all around the country. One of the things you right is what the suggest is. A real solution will have to be sociological. Which I thought this is a great party was in a P excerpt you had. It was great. Part of the people have to realize that homelessness is connected to housing prices. They have to accept. It's hypocritical. Say you don't like density but are worried about climate change. They have to internalize the lesson if they want their children to have a stable financial future. They're going to have to make space. They're going to have to change. It's interesting the reaction to homelessness in San Francisco. It's changed the nature of the city's Cha- it's changed the relationship between people talk a little bit about that because you spend a lot of time trying really hard not to be angry at a citizen at the same time to be empathetic to the people living in this tree and then and to avoid feelings of hopelessness. Because that's what it sometimes feels like when you're walking in San Francisco is like what can we do? Is there a solution? I I totally agree with you. This sense of dread as you walk through the city and you feel like horrible personal the time and you know it's it's interesting. I I will say this real quick. My colleague Tom Fuller Thomas Fuller at the New York Times when he first showed up from Thailand he started writing about homelessness a lot. So I'm from San Francisco as you know and a number of my friends complained they said. Oh I've I've noticed your New York Times Guy Just discovered homelessness and they were kind of giving me a hard time about writing and I said well maybe shame on us for thinking. This was normal. I think he's doing absolutely good job showing up and saying this is insane So I think you do start to think. Oh this is just normal and the fact that you accept it is kind of shameful in. Its in itself. I I should say I'M I. I was certainly guilty amongst the number of people who who accepted it. I think that there is this feeling of hopelessness. Because you don't know what to do do I give a dollar to somebody Is that going to help? Do I give money to Saint Anthony's the IV that obviously helps one organization? That is a soup kitchen if they build a bunch of housing but it's like high end housing. That's obviously not going to really help the homeless situation. Even though we do need to build housing in San Francisco so I think it's I think it's this feeling of. It's this complete feeling of helplessness. And by the way you obviously see this amongst the city as well they seem I mean look at Gavin newsom. That's the governor. But when he was mayor now governor. It's just it. Nobody knows what to do. And where you really see. This is these go to Oakland is considerably worse than San Francisco. Their entire parks that are just colonized by tents and everybody is just come to accept it and doesn't know what to do so and I think that is where we are. I mean what we need to do is build a ton of supportive housing and where and how we do. That is is our inaction but that's I don't really see we're going to get decision last part but one of the things you talked about is is this idea and you say one need only look at the airplane went to see. There's nothing to do with the lack of space concentration of opportunity and the rising costs of being near. It says much about today's winner. Take all economy that many of the cities with the most glaring epidemics of homelessness that are growing centers of technology and finance. There is simply put a dire shortage of housing in places where people in Companies WanNa live and reactionary local politics that fight every effort to add more home so just about that because you had an extra time about that but this I it's theme throughout this book. Is that people resisting. What is the obvious? Solution is build more housing totally. So I'll just say two things. One is the economy has changed. We all know this we have. The economy is kind of bifurcated into. Let's call them. Knowledge workers who tend to be paid relatively well and work with their minds and then service workers who tend to be. Some are paid quite well like surgeons and stuff. But there's this other this entire class of say retail workers People who clean your home's walk your dogs all these sorts of things that that are not paid very well. Those people have to be next to each other in cities because intellectual workers tend to want to be near each other for all the to exchange ideas and all these things and then the service work essentially have to be close to them because they are way typically exactly they cannot remote dog walk that sort of thing so cities are let's say engines inequality. I'm not saying that's bad in a perfect world. Cities have lots of opportunities for people to to move into the I in their kids get better educated and all that but we have to have housing for those two groups of people or the thing will fall apart. And we'll get what we have today. So that's our economy around the country. We are moving into knowledge direction. That is not going to change. There is going to be a certain amount of service of large service sector for things that robots can't do yet and that is where we are so that's not changing so accepting that reality and accepting that we need to construct our cities for that reality. Step one what we need to do is build a lot more housing and make it easier to build housing and make it easier to build different types of housing the way we have it in the bay area which is true. All around the country This true here in DC is we have a whole bunch of single family home neighborhoods are relatively low density neighborhoods that are in effect off limits and single townhomes. One family lives in the rest or or you know they're duplexes and other things. There was the existing housing stock and nothing will touch it there. Couple projects here and there but generally speaking those neighborhoods are off limits and then we have an area like south of market. Which is this former warehouse district over by the bay where the the there used to be an industrial area? When I was growing up that is like we build a ton of conduct that have ten million and and it's a whole new neighborhood out of whole cloth. Uc that same pattern in every city across America. There's the war in DC. There's the north loop in Minneapolis. There's Hudson yards in New York all around the country. People seem to have said okay. We need to build more housing. Let's go take this one district over here that used to be some industrial district and build a ton of stuff over there and build it as tall as humanly possible and make a whole neighborhood from whole cloth. That is not working because those buildings. I'm not saying you shouldn't do that but I am saying. Those buildings are super expensive. They they're super high and require elevators. Once the way construction costs works. Once you add an elevator you were in a whole other class of costs but what they call the missing middle housing which is housing the middle sized but also for middle income people that housing is essentially is not allowed. You can't build a ton of duplexes row homes and go to places like Philadelphia or Baltimore where you see doesn't look super active right now but we're you see that. They had lots of of housing affordable. Housing it's not high-rises everywhere. It's these dense kinda three and four story places. That is what we don't allow right now. One of the images. I always think of when I actually asked at one point if this could be the cover of the book but they didn't like it for some reason is if you go look at this famous famous. Mavis picture that everybody. Who's listening and people around the world? No it's the picture of the painted ladies. The painted ladies are these as everyone knows. They're the opening of full house. There these four five or six that are in a row in these beautiful single family homes and you can see the San Francisco skyline now dominated by the sales rise tower behind it and it's on Alma grunts as beautiful park and it goes down a hill when you look at that picture which was again the opening of the credits of full house. You see these five wonderful beautiful. Relatively squad homes. If you go as you know if you go very exactly if you go to an actually look in real life at that picture there was like a ten storey apartment. It's about seven stories is six five six hundred. There's a giant apartment building butting up against the top most painted lady that has always popped out of the picture. Because that's that's where we don't want to see it doesn't fit our idealized view of things or I don't know what the reason is but that is always copped out of the picture. That is what when. San Francisco is a functional city. That is what it looked like. It had this mix of things that the neighborhoods had a lot of different types of housing a lot of different types of people because the person who can live in a two story painted lady home is different than the person who can live in a an apartment building right next to it right but those people are are linked through the economy through different kinds of jobs. Like just say they all the other part. You're leaving out as Alamo. Square is very huge. Homeless population lives there and moves moves around it because the police keep trying to move people which is also another picture. When you're there are there. I'm always. They're always sort of like what is happening here. I'm trying to take this beautiful shot of San Francisco and there's tens and things like that which again are moved daily. So we can. We could talk forever about the policy stuff and how the we could start going through an alphabet soup of acronyms California Miramonte Equality Act in Nimby ISM is a to harder and blah blah blah blah blah. Right but the truth is and this is what I'm trying to get at in this book. San Francisco is just a window into you. Could take that same alphabet. Soup apply to any other city because look most cities in America with the exception of possibly New York and even a little bit there. If you go out to queens and stuff has this same pattern. Where they've they make it very very difficult to put density next to kind of lower density neighborhoods and people. Don't like it that problem that we make it very difficult to build where people already live. Is What gives us sprawl. It's what gives us freeways to know or I guess not to know but to the next suburb. It gives us all these other things and it was funny. I was talking to an economist historian rather for the book and he said sprawl is a political contradiction. Because meaning where would he means is it is something everybody hates and yet it also contains the conditions that makes it almost impossible to stop because people as much as people hate bra but almost rather create sprawl than solve it which is which would mean building where they live right where they are and so. We're sort of stuck in this thing if we're going to solve climate change if we're going to if we're going to address all these big problems we have bifurcated society housing. The cost too much emissions. That are a third of them. Are People driving our transportation? We're going to have to start basically addressing that people are going to have to live closer together and that our cities are going to have to be a little bit more compact all right. We're GONNA talk back because one of the important things to keep in mind as they are there systemic and that's the issue that I think a lot of people don't care that housing has everything to do with climate change which you were talking about. Which has everything to do with sociological issues and drug addiction and way of life which creates these cities that are homogeneous and aren't as interesting as they used to be Or maybe they never were We're here with Connor. Doherty the author of Golden Gate's fighting for housing in America. He's also a New York Times reporter. Who covers these issues? Look the drag and drop website. Templates are great. They're simple enough that anyone with a dream and ten minutes can build their own site for better or worse. 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So you do cover this day to day for the New York Times in your you talk about this idea of income equality just talking about the idea of systemic way to deal with this one of the things you do. Talk about in this book. Is that democracy really gets hurt by this housing crisis so paint a larger picture of the housing crisis in American. How we live how we're going to live together and maybe some solutions and what you think is working or is it sort of this. Lost Idea that we're just gonNA continue to create these bifurcated societies Where I just don't know how it solves itself so there's a lot of different things we could talk about with income inequality and stuff but I think the best way to solve income inequality I this is not the same against programs. I think the best way to solve income inequality is to make it possible for people to live near a place where they can get a great education a place where they can live in a thriving economy with lots of different kinds of jobs. A place where they can get on the escalators to success. Which are these tech companies? These knowledge companies are the industrial powerhouses of our time. And just as your chances of making it. Further in life were enhanced by being near a manufacturing company in the forties and fifties being in Detroit or one of these places that was building manufactured goods. These are now our industrial powerhouses. And you need to be near them. Most people need to be near them to get into the new economy. Because one of the things Scott Weiner who is my representative I live in the Castro. San Francisco's Or was represented now. He's he's feet. State senator right for the entire city by the way. I should note California's still a lot of people don't know this. California state senators represent more people than members of the US. House our senator. That's another kind of crazy people. He's GOT MORE PEOPLE NANCY PELOSI. He was my local. He was on the city council and then now he's in state. He had a bill. That just failed to talk about that. So this bill was called. Sp fifty and it got ton of attention nationally and the base. I many times we've talking I've talked about is gonNA try again. I'm sure the basic just of the bill is it would make it possible. It would make possible the four to eight story or I think four storey buildings within a half a mile of a transit. Stop also in a fancy school districts and stuff. That's totally reasonable solution to a problem which is get people near public transit so that they can get into jobs and create a lot more housing. So it's easy. So there's no commuting on top of that he's targeting that missing middle housing. I was just telling about telling you about. He's not saying. Let's go build a mega projects in the middle of nowhere. He say or not in the middle of the putting up you know in a place where people complain about it. Let's build a ton of mid level things in neighborhoods where people already live. And this bill People went beserk. And what was fascinating about the bill and this is something. I spent a lot of time thinking about in the book. Is that an all kind of came to a head in the bill that there's two main groups that oppose a lot a efforts to deregulate housing in cities they are neighborhoods worried about gentrification and they are kind of low density neighborhoods worried about their views and neighborhood character and re property rich people in this. Call the middle class people but yeah yeah And and that alliance sometimes explicit and sometimes implicit is is very very very powerful is powerful for a couple reasons. It's powerful because it allows rich people to basically claim the mantle of gentrification when they're posing bill which in California where people have a high sensitivity to appearing woke is important on top of that. It's it's just a large number of people in a large number of representatives. Kind of coming together. I understand an and I put that that is politics. He's going to have to figure that out. But I think what the difficulty shows is that people don't and we've seen this throughout our society. People don't have faith in the future. People don't believe that if as the basic problem with US B fifty s. That people simply don't believe it would work. I truly think that more than any one issue. We could identify in the bill. I think people really think this is going to lead to always a bunch of developers building a bunch of different types of stuff. And we're going to get more of the same. We're going to get more tech. Buses more monoculture more. And I don't for what it's worth think that's the case but I. It doesn't matter what I think. I just don't think people believe that it would work. And what some of the solutions being pros is the state takeover local a local. And you're seeing is you're seeing all. The Democratic presidential candidates have have released housing plans where they some kind of zoning component in it. So we're now even seeing not the imminent or anything but we're now even seeing people contemplating the federal government taking over. So we're having a so Yeah this is what always happens. Whenever a level of government can't figure out a problem people kick it up a notch and say let's let's have a higher power figure it out because the more you spread it out. One of the shifts was local decision making on the ground in areas they know best was pushed locally for years. And you will hear you will hear your local mayors say we don't want more growth. We don't win one more people. I mean they will flat outside. I don't think you'd ever hear a governor say that because the jobs and prosperity are just so much more part of their Their calling card. We'll talk about that with with London. Breed in in San Francisco and various players. There she has tried to put in on one hand. She's tried to put in the other hand. She's against certain things. It's a real. It's a really interesting to watch her. Sort of try to navigate. Explain her situation. So London breed the mayor of San Francisco. She is an African American woman. Who grew up in public housing in his from San Francisco She has kind of embraced this mantle of development and she's actually pushing a ballot measure which we of course have a lot of those in California but basically she will put in front of voters a thing that would make it would speed without getting into the details. It would take the development process from say two or three years and sometimes quite a bit longer to like say six months if you propose development on a parcel and it didn't require any changes or high variations or anything like that you could do it and and that would probably speed up development quite a lot. We'll see if it makes the ballot and has voters because she is she's essentially trying to end. Rund this the borders. She's trying to go around her legislator right to just say let's just make law through the voters because she's so frustrated with her own board kind of stymying her at every which. I think is in San Francisco. The mayor has power then mayors of other cities in the board tends to run everything. Yes well totally and I think that there's a level of exhaustion right now with process and she seems to be. I mean look you see this everywhere right like sp fifty and all these things in the in three times. Scott Weiner has pushed versions of this bill when it failed the second after it failed the president of the Senate Toni. Atkins says we're GONNA pass something like this by the end of this year. You guys better get ready so all around there is. There was a level of exhaustion right now in California with an action. So I think that in Governor Gavin newsom who has traditionally been this guy who shows up with a laundry list of thing. I'M GONNA solve healthcare. I'm going to solve this. His last status state speech which was just last week he did nothing but talk about homelessness and housing. So you're starting to see people at least recognized okay. This is the only problem that we should be focused on in this state right now because all of our other problems come from emanate from this. California has some of the highest wages in the country. It is way outpaced the nation in economic metric and it has the highest poverty rate when you adjust for the cost of housing so we basically created poverty should be like a beacon for the nation. So what's worked? I WanNa talk with working but explained that because now Republicans especially Donald Trump focused in on it yeah and that some of what Donald Trump is doing is mean spirited and. Let's call it right. A lot of what they're doing. Some of that is trolling. You'll see Tucker Carlson and others but a lot of what the the kind of more conservative side is saying. Is that some of these liberal. Good intentions have gone. There is some truth in that and I I think it it annoys people that there is some truth in it because take environmentalism. There's this kind of like nineteen seventies notion of environmentalism that environmentalism means. Great Parks down the street from you at a place to walk your dog and that sort of thing but let's not necessarily green if you're worried about climate change and it's not green if you're worried about sprawl it's not right and I think sometimes it is absolutely a fair thing to say. Has that gone too far in years. That focused on the wrong things. When that comes out of the mouth of a of Scott Weiner people will love it but I guess they kind of accepted. Because he's this you know anti-death penalty raise every tax game in who marches in the bondage parade in San Francisco Rays. So but when it comes out of the mouth of Donald trump or or someone from his administration. They don't WanNa hear it but that's just but there are. There is some truth to this idea that California has dug itself deeper into this problem than it would. Otherwise be and I think that at some point we do have to reconcile with that and it's not like anybody in the trump administration seems to have thought this through super deeply. So I think dismissing some of their critiques is completely appropriate but this idea that California has over-regulated housing made it too difficult to build the types of housing. The middle class people could live in. There was a lot of truth to that. And we kind of have to own up to it so when you talk about solutions what are they what can happen you have you know. You have the political pressure from national attention on this on the state like. Here's and it's not just in in. San Francisco was in Los Angeles. Most of the homeless people in this country live in California. Which is I think. People don't realize The great majority of the half of the unsheltered homeless people who are straight up outside in their cars under bridges on the sidewalk. Half about one hundred thousand of the two hundred thousand earn California and that is because not just weather but other it is because it costs a lot to live in California pure and simple everything I've ever seen says that homelessness is heavily tied to the cost of housing again. It's not to say drug addiction and these other things don't play into it but those are just things that make it difficult for someone to hold down a job or otherwise. Get a toehold in a place. The cost of housing ends up being the main variable. Like I said they have people with mental difficulties and drug problems everywhere. So when you're thinking about solutions what if you could wave your one if you could do or if there's a person that you covered that you think is the the right way. Tell me about if I could wave my wand I would make it much easier to build housing and build different types of housing and I would come up with some sort of gigantic federal program. One that had the word trillion in it and start to provide a huge subsidy program for people who truly cannot afford what the market is currently building. There has not been some time. So one thing that people one reason people in the Anti gentrification camp do not like new housing is that it tends to be more expensive more expensive than and so they worry that it will make housing next to it expensive as well as very little evidence that that's true nevertheless that's the fear but there was not some time when we built lots of brand new lovely housing and it was affordable for everybody. It has always mostly been the case that the way we create affordable housing as we build a lot housing gets older and moves down the income scale. We stopped doing that. We have done. It's actually the opposite moving back into the exaggerate so we did not build enough housing. So we're in a deep hole. We have to get out of that hole while we are getting out of that hole. We're going to have to make housing more affordable for people who can't afford it and this isn't just I mean there's all sorts of reasons to do this when I was following the family as they were being displaced by this eight hundred dollars rent. Increase that daughter fifteen years ago. She lost a month of school. She was completely stressed unable to function in any way the heartbreak and the trauma that they had for the year after the fiction was crippling. So she's If I had lost him I two parents who helped me with my homework and everything like that. If I had lost a month this might have been difficult to catch up. I mean I can't even imagine the repercussions and and those are repercussions that we will feel for many many many years possibly generations so stabilizing people in their home is imperative right now. The popular solution is rent control. That is a solution that a lot of economists have some problems with but I don't know what to say other than that is the. That is the main solution that is there for people and unless we pass some gigantic tax program. Which probably would be smarter way to do it? That is one of the things we're going to have to engage or it doesn't matter that the people are going to engage. It doesn't matter when I think so. If I could wave my mind I would make it much easier to build housing and I would enact a gigantic program at a federal level to help people who cannot afford the market is currently building is there. Is there any tech solution? So one of the things that I was actually very encouraged by was there was a guy followed through the through the book and he has started a factory and this is happening in various different places where they build buildings really not such as duck a House. They built apartment on an assesment. And it's it's a remarkable thing you go to this factory incident old where they used to make submarine periscopes. So it's very long factor in a naval base old naval base on Mare island and in Vallejo and it starts and there's just this piece of plywood and comes up like a little conveyor belt type thing and then it moves up to a Dali and two guys are below putting in pipes and stuff that it'll be the plumbing and in somebody's up putting flooring and it just goes in twenty two steps by the end. It's this apartment that you're walking around. There's tha everything is there. Besides the water doesn't work and then they stay drive this out on a truck to a site the stock them together like Lagos and then they brought them together and it takes a couple more months to really make the building work but they can actually put the whole building up in like a a day. I was really encouraged by this because the main engine of prosperity for all of human existence has been making it easier to do work whether it's animals pulling your plow or tractors or whatever else and construction has been one of the League are -ticipant. It's one of the least productive industries and so we need to find a way to make it actually much easier and faster to build the building so decent building to a you could have a lot of cheap and I should also say one of the things I love and I know you love this too because I've listened to your show is when people start putting significant money and risk and gumption behind something. That really is an audacious tech. Solutions launched another twitter. It's one of the reasons. Despite is some of his personal kind of quirks. I Love Elon. Musk think if tesla goes bankrupt and this is offered on we at least got a really great battery out of it like the world have have gotten something out of that. Yeah and if all these investors lose money they will still have contributed something and I think the same way about these housing companies that they they're putting a ton of money Behind this big idea and they will figure something out. And that's a great place to be tinkering because it's a place where we actually know that. Productivity is is quite low and if they can start to move that needle it will have a tremendous benefit to the world. I don't know that the world was having such a difficult time efficiently selling ads that we needed to. I mean I'm sure it has become more efficient as one percent more if it you know so I love it when I see people put real money behind ideas that seem more space agey in and there's a better way to build a house there is. I'm spent a Lotta time. I'm a real estate for its wider. When it comes out of the tech when it comes out of the the the phone and into the world I think we all find it. More imaginatively simulating yeah. It's been and there are a lot of solutions. Finish UP IF YOU HAD TO PICK. You know what's going to happen. Each's occurred. Give give me two opposing characters who you think sort of exemplify this fight for housing. Sonya's obviously one of them now. It's funny when I finished this book and I've been doing this tour. There's all these moments where you realize. Oh wait this is what the book is about what you didn't realize as you were writing it which is kind of a terrifying schilling but also something. I've heard is common. You look at cities and most of the land. Mass is single family homes. Those that is the dominating political force is home. It is the dominating geographical force it is the dominating cultural force. If we're going to change the politics changing that dynamic is paramount best. I can tell the only way to do that is to take the. Let's call them the gentrified and the ginger fires and somehow get them on the same side somehow. Get them to create a political coalition. That says we are the ones being left out right now and we need solutions. And you're going to have to share some of the space in the city for us so when I think about two characters that are on the opposing sides of this I think about Sonia and and Barf and its associated Jim Be Movement yes and my backyard and its associated people which are tend to be younger tech people who do fine but are not rich by any means and then I think about the people who are protesting them were worried about that who feel like they're being pushed out of city. Somehow those two groups need to find some kind of common cause because there's no the the the the dominating force of the single family home kind of empire if you will is so large and so powerful that if those two groups spend all their time fixating on each other they will never accomplish anything bouncy American dream right well new dream. I'm not saying we should get rid of the dream. I'm more saying that I think ownership by the way I think ownership is we can't just throw away ownership. What I'm more saying is that we need to have cities that are more dynamic in the space is changing and that sort of thing when you think about movies and you know if you look at sci fi movies the way they portray housing. I spent a lot of time thinking about like what do you I actually the other day I was like do. We need to own houses like because we don't own car. 'cause I'm not owning a car now. I rent a lot of stuff and I was like what about housing. Do we actually have to not just rent. But is there a different way to do renting like that? You'd at everybody doesn't need to own a home because now it's been the. It's the wealth generator now. Also seen though and I think this is why. The tech industry was initially little exhausted by this thing. Is You have to kind of go. Mix It up in local politics at a very micro level and I think for tech executives and this industry that is so global and so large and it crosses cultures is very hard for them to get a revved up about. I'm going to go to the San Francisco Board of Supervisors in or the Mountain View City Council. But you're actually that. No Patrick Collison headed straight. Yes that's right. Gave a million dollar the stripe the company given a million dollars to California which is a statewide organization. Germy of course gave all this money to you are actually starting to see. These companies become very thoughtful and active. Not as much as they could be but about the places that they actually are. And Jeff Bezos has done some stuff in Seattle controversial and well but fine. I mean I don't know that. What People in Detroit Day? Two million years ago is not controversy there so fair point I just think and by the way I want to say one thing a lot of times in San Francisco and in other cities tech. But let's just focus on San Francisco for a moment is portrayed as this invading outside force. It's this thing that impose. Oh Mark Zuckerberg. He moved here from Harvard in his imposing himself. That view could not be more wrong. This industry or at least the conditions that created this industry are at least a century old or probably longer and it has been anchored in this region. It has been the primary economic engine for that region for quite some time. And when you look at that region you see institutions Stanford the venture capital Industry Berkeley Kepler's Bookstore. Which is a little bookstore in. Menlo Park where the counterculture met kind of the military industrial complex. You Take Kepler's which is where the grateful dead I think met each other and but then also where a lot of computer people hung out you mix those two things the Military Industrial Complex Park Research Lab and all that and then you mix this kind of counter culture thing you smash those things together. What are you get you get Steve Jobs? And there's so many different impossible to replicate things in this region that are merging kind of this counterculture with this basically military spending but now corporate spending and that is what makes the place the place. Yeah and if it's a Frankenstein it's our Frankenstein. And I think that people try to portray outside thing but it is our thing that's exactly and I just feel like that is so missing and you know what it is. The Mirror image for years and years and years and years decades. You would hear people say oh. We're going to create the Silicon Valley in whatever you don't know hires and it was impossible. It's impossible because of all the things I just said but the flipside is is impossible to get rid of it as well. It is our thing and if you think that that place is exceptional and interesting and special and that it has this wonderful mix of culture and ideas those things there as fundamental to that industry as they are to the culture. I and I I. I get frustrated. Sometimes partly because I'm a native Californian and I'm so aware of this history and how old that industry is that I I just I think people are going to have to reconcile it with it as if it's their uncle their family rather than treating it like. It's this invader right. That is a really good way to put it absolutely California's still greatest place on. I miss it so much when I'm out there. It's really daunting and it's really. There are so many creative solutions that could be brought to bear to this and show away for the rest of the country. I think in lots of ways in terms of how we deal with people living together of different economic levels and how we pull everybody up and it's important that it works in California. That's my feelings. I think so too. I mean I'M A. I'm kind of a local child. You know I'm I'm still very provincial. In my thinking I skateboard I have had the same haircuts until the centers I. I'm I live a couple blocks from my dad and I live in Oakland now so no more but my dad lives in Norway Valley and So I do think that it's funny. People will say where is doing this right and this is a question. I get a lot and I don't have a perfect answer but I kind of say to myself. Well have we ever asked her? So there's a lot of things we did. I couldn't we do this first. Two But you know so. I tend to be optimistic because right now. We're talking about this a lot and we are exhausted by this where the shame we feel walking around and seeing so many homeless people That disappointment we have with our own. Monoculture I think that people are starting to think that there must be a better way and we. It's on us to find. That's a really good way to end. Thank you Connor Connor Dorothy. His Book is about homelessness is about housing. And it's about the way we think of our societies and how we want to build them. It's called Golden Gate's fighting for housing in America. Thanks for coming. You can follow me on twitter at sweatshirt. My executive producer Eric Anderson Eric. America my producer. Eric Johnson is it. Hey Hey. Es J. Connor. Where can people find you and your online? I am at at Connor. Doherty which is C. O. N. O. R. D. O. U. G. H. The RT Y and there is a search engine. Google and if you do Golden Gate's fighting for housing in America you will find it or find a local books you can go to a local bookstore. 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You don't like thick by hate thick funds in a burger. Yeah, I love them. You like like the small Burger King bun. I l- I don't like any of them. I don't like any bath, maybe in and outs. Probably my favorite, what in and out and then the taste of shake shack buns, but I still don't like the thickness. So scrape out all that stuff in in like in the middle. Okay. I'll let doughy stuff. Very strange. And then you do what? No. So the pizza burgers. Perfect. Is this like a thin crust pizza? Right? You just cut into a square. I'm confused though. What your point of doing this pizzas funds the way I like it. So it's a burger Patty with the the, the, the crust or buns or pizza, just pizza. So you take too thin? Sliced pizzas. Yeah. And then put a burger Patty in the middle. Yes, but there's also vegetables, fat. See like the pizza has cheese. It's got sauce. It's got all that good stuff in it. Guesting crunchy on top, discuss. Guoying notice like you're just like, you know what? Fuck these buns. I'm gonna take two slices of pizza. It's amazing men and then put a burger in between it. And it's amazing. How how are the reviews on online people think I'm weird. Like definitely a serial killer now. Get to whatever, but you love it though. Yeah, love it. Pizza burger. I just remade as the call. Like you spin off on a picture or some shit. Now I make weird stuff. They won't cook it up. I don't know about where it stuff remember in. Whereas at Seattle, we're talking about you make in Crean grills. Yeah, I'm still going to do it man. You're still. A little drunk little bit charcoal grill is it idea. It's a char char. It's a personal personal charcoal grill, first of all, let's just go through some logistics. So you think I want to charcoal grills outdoors take just to get to get going, takes awhile to spark those things out. Surely chin wants his cream barbecue indoors, and I watched that charcoal taste, so it's a small charcoal grill. It's going to take quite some time to heat up and then you bring it indoors and then you cook your Zoeller. It's perfect, single. It's a tiny little. You can put it anywhere store anywhere. I feel like just to be some fire hazards with a charcoal grand door. If you have a regular grill already, you're fine. No one has been door, though, chin. I'm talking about your stove. You get good to go tough bro. Different animal. I mean, the thing's made out of like ceramic shop came up with the name of it was I don't want to mess it up. He said it so beautifully to want that you want that chocolate taste, you'll have them. He's he was Turco pace. They don't have the space. He's like the way he did. It was so funny. I wasn't invest, write them in there. Now. Glad I didn't just kidding. I hope it works out for you. It really do. Yeah, busy weekend, man. Papa shop was in town. Oppose the patriot Mazi guys can see that gentleman. If it goes right now, he's a big dude. I always suppose picture when it comes to town, big strong, do the threat, get my frigging genetics, the hell joked them adopted, but me went dad look exactly like, I'm still Tanner. To go buy some and I do the cardio classes. They're like with all the cardio bunnies. And you know, it's like a bunch of rounds of cardio and mitts and bags, and weights and circuit training and sprints. And we went in those into it with me like hell, no, and just went and did his own thing on the bags basis, like the hell out of my face his mess. He's like, what is this secure? Trying to have a heart attack. It's it's funny this shit on my face when just hit some old. The old dead lifts said, fuck this noise in your fancy, lay workouts just hit the dead lifts. Have my dad and tem. He's not here very long. Nobody long busy fricking week though because when you have them in town and then how low weaned took the kiddo to Disneyland and it's a different time and Disneyland Jim because it's Disney Halloween. So the park, the regular Disneyland close at seven PM and after seven, it's only the Halloween crowd. So you have to have additional pass above your admission just to get into the park. If the specific Halloween pass, you have to have a wristband in the kick everybody else out. I thought by doing by doing this Halloween pass, it'd be less crowded. I was completely. It was so packed. It was so so pack I just off the, you know, it's Disney for God's sakes. It's just crazy how busy it is meant that can't be the best experience for the consumer. No, there's no way pack, but do they just not give shit? They're citing. People are buying tickets, man? Yeah, look out packages but want to be better because let's say, you know, I live here and I grew up here in the summer. So I've been the Disney jillion times since two and a half. He's been two hundred damn times we have season pass. Right. But let's say you're. Blue collar family from Iowa saved up. You know your money for for few years to bring your family of whatever five out here and you get to the park and you're there for two days three days. If you're not there for longer than two days, you're not. There's no way you're seeing all the rides, you wanna. See, I mean, we got, we got two rides in. I mean, think about it. You're gonna miss most of most of the big things because at one point, the haunted mansion ride was three hours long. That's crazy. Man. I think they're just at what point is Disney. Like we're Goodman, just frigging, let's create some sort of plan or where it's not so packed or maybe there's certain days in the week. There's a premium ticket. So it's definitely not as packed. We price a consumer out and then another days you wait cheaper tickets. It's already super expensive. So I don't know. I I'm walking around like, this isn't the way to do it man, and then there's the, you can do the VIP thing where you skip all the lines and you go, you have a an escort and they they just take you for line everything behind behind scene. Yeah, there's that people get mad at those people. Yeah, I mean, yeah, there's that which I probably should have done for this. But again, I think it was going to be that crowded at friggin. I don't know what I was thinking. Repacked, fuck impact. Not scary for them to super, super PACS. So Universal Studios, but it's like you go there. You're going to all the hassle to get to teach an hour to get their tickets, two hours to get the Disneyland. But say you get there and then you get their park. You're looking at what six, seven hour day. If you go to universal whore nights. Where the hell it's called your own on one ride. If you on Thursday, Friday, Saturday, I just don't feel like that's the way to do it. Man really consumers like what the fuck you don't. You don't get him brace the Disney kind of feel environment, Yamen chaos. Then there was rain. Rain makes a little tough to the started raining. So they had to cancel the parade which my son's favorite thing. There. Now, my son's apparently a bunch of people are nightmare before Christmas, it's so the the, the haunted mansion does ends all. Jack Skelton from nightmare before Christmas, Sally nightmare before Christmas fan. I'm a Tim Burton fence. Yeah, me too. That movie solvent theaters young kid, no biggie, but it was weird right in the theaters is cool. It was just so different is data's weird. It holds up. It looks cool. He's still holds up. Yeah, if the classic when my son's obsessed with it now, but apparently bunch other people are too because it's all over Disneyland. And then. Jack skeleton, you know, they have. They have make you have goofy, have you know, Jackson says what everyone came to see and I asked this guy who has chatting with about fights who works at Disneyland. And I do my son's obsessed with Jack Skelton. Where's he going to be at? And he was dude, you gotta look for the. We don't know exactly was I can tell you around the pirates of the Caribbean, but you'll see there's a lighted like signal of zero the dog as AUSSIE that below that is where he's going to come sweet. Yes. So we went there. They're still a little bit of a line, wait forty, five minutes for that just to see Jack Johnson, and we got to the front, Sally look legitimate shit. Sally, I was like, God, damn. That looks like real life Sally from night before Christmas. Jack looks like a shitty alien. I was so disappointed, man, I was so does God damn it? My son was into it, so I'll take it. I remember for Christmas the craze right now. I went to the live one. There's a whole community of people. Yeah, that's it is bullshit. That's him. Didn't look like do that's an alien. That's the alien from scary movie four alien. That's a fucking like we get for the fries. Like this is the line, Sally, you're cool, Jack, fuck you, looking at bullshit. Yeah, Jack, the skeleton man come on Disney. That Sally leasable should they? I don't know what that is, but you're seeing the makeup people do for Jack the skeleton for frigging Sally for elements insane. The alarming thing, though in that line is mainly grown men which hanging on my son'll tied around these parts. We'll tighter. Why are grown mints in line Disney way, Dan line to meet this character. Anyway, but the rain, everything hot to answer still. I missed the Vint of the vintage hunted men mansion man, I changed it. Yeah, because he used to eat, you know, now it's all it's completely different. Not as scary, still good though. Still really good, still super good. And then took my son, pumpkin patch pumping pumpkin patches or the thing right now, man, it's the craze onto public patch off Washington, the needs Culver city, legitimate shit, man, just every site. I mean, these pumpkins after we genetically modified thirds. So fucking big. These, these, you saw two pumpkins I bought are out of control. I mean, they're ugly shapes sizes, some have warts on them, and I was just thinking, I'm like, there's no way that pumpkins grow like this in just normal life. Now. Definitely not. Again, skeptical hip is I'm at the punk pets, my son of grown men by themselves without kids and women. Very strange to me. Specifically for. I mean, there's there's cutting candy fuckin- machines everywhere. There's bouncy castles their stricken face painting. There's a petting zoo where they had these goats who were clearly on Nyquil. They were so like. They're so over it. There's all sorts of shit there man for kids then when I see just grown men with other grown men stroll in the pumpkin patch need for you, bro. It's very strange to me. When I was a kid, I used to love frigging, oh, that's it. Mr. bones. That's where I went our Mr. bones. Great. Pumpkin patch is Fred Durst, boom. There's carrying some pumpkin sponsor pumpkins, but you pay them by weight basically a dollar per pound, not a great deal anyway, yet grown men. So let punk pets that kids strange dude thinks should be requirement, have to have a kid to get in. And I love cotton candy as a kid growing up, I thought my kid would like it. Not the same. She the picture I posted, which one I said throwback Thursday, Bobby Lee. Awesome. My son's one of my son's best friend's the little Korean kid and. Oh, that's cool. His mom and my girl, their best friends. Elegant. Bobby Bobby Lee. Who made the who got you got them there. The boost squad, the boost God. Now there's another kid who they hang out with a who's also my somebody hangs out. Yeah, that's cool. Dude. Yeah. To what did you say fashionable? Yeah, Mr. Steele yo girls, but they. They have another cream kid in the mom bottom all the matching outfits boost grad. That's cool. They love that place though. Party Lee, get him. Saw this yet. Sure. Don't know how big is on his. It's funny. I'd love to see a baby picture Bobby Lee and see few matches out a little bit. You gotta. I'd love to seize vitro Bobby Lee. He's hilarious. His girl price it. They do their podcasts, tiger belly, right? Yeah, they asked me to do it. I just did you on Monday nights, man, Monday nights. I work all day Monday, you know? So for me and I do at seven o'clock and West Hollywood. That's a tough time. The worst six o'clock would be the worst five, seven seventy thousand miles during Russia. Yeah. So you'd be going through all that crap just now I love those too, and I'm sure it's a great podcasts by just that's the time with the fame and for me to drive out, there'd be tough. People love that podcast. Yeah, launcher they're doing well. I love both them, but bobby's, hilarious that does look really, I was about to post them, like, is it racist? No. Right one. Not at all. Now sometimes people get carried away. Giveaway to Kate away and it does look like little Bobby, let me kids with his hair to identical. They have the same haircut they looked identical. And that's a good thing. Always acute dude. That's cute kid are you? I said, q., dude, Yemen, hilarious. What else go on? Oh, just announce man. This is big big moment for me personally, but January nineteenth, I'm shooting my comedy special at Spreckelsen theater. Sprinkles theater in San Diego, California for Showtime, Showtime, one hour, comedy, special, January nineteenth. This would be the biggest venue of I've ever done bigger than the Wilbur. I don't know why they think I can sell this thing out, but apparently someone does, and I never think he wants to buy tickets and you guys keep buying tickets, but this one should be. This should be a special one that should be is a big one for me. I'm excited. Yes, San Diego, man that is thought about doing places in. I think we'd narrowed it down. We're gonna. Do New York, Boston Toronto or California Allen doing California's where I started doing stand up, I want to feel a little bit of a home field advantage meaning. You know, it's not big production to give because you know, my family friends, everyone's going to be. I don't want them to have to travel stuff like that. San diego. I don't know. Great crowd in San Diego. I love it down there. Absolutely love San Diego. I'm gonna drive down there. Me and my bro- drive down there have to special special close friends open up for me, which I won't announce yet. So that should be fun be to be big one man that is spreads theater in San Diego patent Oswald shot his special. They're nice trying to think less thing. Conan O'Brien, his life shows there. So yeah, the soda, good amount of tickets, but tickets are still left. It's only two shows, I think is seven o'clock in ten pm show you get to the way it works on specials. I think Rogan films, four show he'll film to on Friday to on Saturday. Some people do that and then. Most people I think do just to there might be a baller out there who I don't know who it is, but just as one, but the ones that count when it's live chambers, live bullets in the chamber are the just those two shows on Saturday. I'll probably do my one hour somewhere the night before I dunno San Diego or LA. I'm sure we'll figure something out. But as far as shooting shooting, that's that Saturday, you know, you get to takes gametime man. This is really, really cool, man. Pretty cool. You know, it's also cool the fact that I was with you basically since it started, so I saw everything you've seen they breakdown one? Yup. I live show first solo stuff. Crazy. Awesome. They Brown breakdown ice house. Specimen was the first one. Yeah, I was amazing scholar was there. That's right. Schuyler up and opened up. I just takes gathered of the Dixon heard from said, hey, remember me, I know dude, right? Yeah, along ways crazy. This is always my goal is such a huge deal. I mean, don't let it sink in too much such a big. Don't fuck this out. Brendan not that little, you know, just super cool. It's cool man. That's amazing. Excited. I'm excited for the product because I can't give out too many details, but it's a comedy special. I'd really hasn't been done before the way we're shooting. Some of the stuff that's in going into the post production should be a really, really cool product. Once it's all said and done. Now I'm on the road now on the road figure not figuring out, but just fine tuning the hour and then boom Janney nineteenth. How will we not Tober? She got November December bat lot. Got, and plus you're busy with a ton of other crap too. So it'll get faster than you do, but stand ups the priority with all this. So I'm in Utah. This weekend, Thursday, Friday, Saturday. I think the next show I'm in San Francisco. I'm all over on the road leading up. Yeah, but if we got some are do my our before, but on announced, I think because you don't want to. I'd love to come comes during the Hoya, but you won't take ticket sales away from. I don't know out pretty cool though. Very, very cool. Yes, sir. That's a big one. But the thing is you can't be one hit wonder, right, can't do. Just one can be the guy who is one comedy, special. Can't be the Millie Bonilla comedy. I'll see that happening del hell. No, God, no. God, oh three months. What? What's the shortest amount of time you had for to care for a fight. I never got any short notice fights. I tried stepping in short notice for some fight and never came to fruition. Is three months these another time for comedy? No, for a fight. Three months? Yeah. Yeah, that's pretty standard. Got three twelve weeks. Yeah, that's that's pretty. Right better too, because they give you more of a notice than you can over train. Yes, not bad. But how many, how many days is that Chen. Right now we're on the sixteenth for on the fifteenth fifteenth. And that is the, let's just say from the nineteenth which would be Friday were, let's see. Got November December. Let's do this headed. One, two, three. The month. Four, five, six. Wait for five, six, seven, eight, nine ten. Eleven twelve. Twelve weeks, twelve weeks, boom, he called him in twelve weeks to grow in that we should figure that way. I'm so bad with numbers man battled the half had so bad. That's the one that a basketball is the one particular thing that I'm Corinne and it just doesn't make sense. My brain goes elsewhere. It just was enough focus for you when your kid, though? No, I'm not good with numbers. I think I'm, I think I'm kinda dyslexic really like I do really well here, but suffer here. So people are like, that might be really get a lot of us do when you're growing up to if let's say you're in science teachers like, oh, wow, you're really good at this. Then they like gets embedded in your mind like, damn, I'm good at science. And then when you go to art, if no one says any like grime kinda shitty at art, you know what I'm saying? Yeah, I'm I'm right. I all like, you know, art, drawing, music, singing, trust stuff. I can do all that stuff yet, but the numbers for in particular numbers got us going to. It's probably better to be more on the creative side than numbers because if calculators and snap stays with technology. When you're a bouncer, did you when you're looking at ID's the worst? I was the worst too. That's right. Does this kid look Twenty-one deal? Yeah. He said he says that like bitch is fourteen like, all right. I'm gonna go with now. Oh man, except for the holidays, Halloween. He seen you. I do. I was asking for good, Halloween, movie recommendations. I might start posting one. I'm watching at night right before bed. I usually watch scary movie during October. Last night. I started watching that show that Netflix series haunted hill on house on haunted hill. It is good old one. Now. It's brand new just I think it just dropped like this weekend. This one, none. No, go net flicks haunted, Netflix. And I'll show house constu- haunted house. He'll they go, Netflix haunted house hill. That's it. Did I want is legit son the haunting of the hill houses the actor. Nine out of ten. I am be one hundred percent on rotten to all that I had the the first episode you're like, Jesus Christ, man. What is it about? People who are haunted? Okay. No, it's hot house and family that group in the haunted house and just the way it shot in the way it's written that how it shows them currently and then goes flashes back, and it's fucking Goodman, really, really will really will really well done. Kind of creepy. Yeah. Delon's good. Dry Dracula on toad on told what's FX. I watched Hansel and gretel witch hundred entertaining night. Not scary. Doing that flies under the radar. ABRAHAM LINCOLN vampire killer. I've said this before man that the movie is so underrated it's a good ass movie. We all know that ABRAHAM LINCOLN story nothing about that story and input him as a vampire killer. It is so legit. It's such a good movie. Especially right now during the holidays come on, man, haunted holidays. Onto holidays. Wow. They only give it a five out of ten NBD thirty five percent, but like ninety two percent liked this movie on goo. That's what matters the most. Yeah, he kept forget that show people. It's just a good ass movie man, legitimate vampires. I'll you for all the conjuring I love the Annabel's. Great. What is it conjuring Annabel's what's the other one? Not conduct that they did insidious says, those are all fucking. I wanted to see the last one for in cities. I think the skeleton keys that might be the scarce one shitty ending. Super scary story. All throughout the Annabel's are good sinister. Damn good. The the first one. The second one's a little bullshit. Insidious. The last key? Yes, that's it dude than cities. Laskey again, the ending bullshit and a disappoint you. But before our alter the up to then it's damn good by the skiers. One. Delivers from evil. I told you about that one quality. Truth or dare pretty good. I didn't mind it. It is what it is for today. I haven't seen the none. Hey, hey, none. How about you? Come out on DVD during October for God's sakes or on demand for fuck sakes. Do that dynasty that man gotta come on demand for brother though. You get your scare into scary movies like these are no chin, the Korean ones. I love the Cray ones, but I love I love the conjuring wants to people have to EMMY suggestions, especially that's I knew start posting when I'm watching a lot of them, we've all seen, but they're just ones that I'm into. Lupita posts, like dude, mature watching cities. So the conjuring dude, if it's that obvious, don't send it to me them thirty days of night seeing that the vampire owner. Yeah. Fucking good man. That's a different kind of scary right down ones. Like real monsters legit. Scary. God, damn scariest. Fuck Donald Alaska. Take over. Yeah, those probably the scariest vampire creature, whatever the fuck you wanna call. It ghost ones are scary to me. There are way more scared me when it's go psychological stuff. Yeah, that then you need to watch this net flicks when it's a real mind. Fuck haunted hill. Yeah, because the hot detailed because they're not like off, see the non insidious and the conjuring and all those movies Annabel there they look scary like the non in the, you know, those things look super scary. But in this movie looks how you would probably imagine real ghosts looked if they're out there. I said, if who knows I was on ghost hunters and I was scared as shit. Did you see? Mama? So mama okayed that one don't scared you. There's parts. That's the one with the two girls were like in a house for a long time, and then they were like scrambling around scattering around. It was all right. That part scared me. This obscure ones, though. Decent movie? Yeah. The sip freaking movie outside that man only big fights. This weekend Crawford fought bene- Vitas Boxton ESPN better. Beatles brought it man. I, you know, I still think Crawford's top two top three pound for pound on the planet, but Benavente has you know shows he's a damn good fighter. They're very good fighter ended up knocking them out in the twelfth round, but it was definitely, you know, it was a scrap is a fight is wasn't going anywhere. He, he landed some punches on Crawford as well, but Crawford's an absolute animal probably v best finisher in the game. Is a great fight. Nast not a nasty, knock vicious uppercut. And then just, you know, he stood up for eight count, then Finstrom off after that, but Crawford's a monster man, Crawford Earl, Spencer junior, that's the fight man. That's the mother fucking fight. I love that fight. Crawford? I'm assuming fought in Nebraska. Yup. A one hundred Brassica three drum. Don't feel advantage. Get fight though, watch. So the way I did it, I had that on a laptop and then watched the Biltmore show live Jewish melador Jin. Yeah, actually bought that for design for it. Oh, because you don't have regular cable. Okay. So you bought design? Yeah, I was designed. There's a lot of empty, like just nothing happening. They're just focusing on the the cage and just panning the camera for like minutes and minutes and minutes. So they're like, make up time or convert, is that where does that? We're on the broadcast, there's commercials, there's no commercials either only only the only their commercials only their ad. Yeah, for what I remember from what I remember like their upcoming fights and stuff like that outside that it's just like still of the k- it's just a lot a lot of data dead time. Yeah, that usually that people will talk during it, you know, to keep the audience kind of like entertained, did you have to? They just didn't. So it's a lot of the assume it's the same production, same staff that we saw on the same network version? Yeah, with Josh Thompson, Frank moon, Jim Brown. Who else? Jay Glazer. And Mike Goldberg, and be John. Yeah, he's different Maradi. Right? Yeah, yeah, it was the same, but they just did nothing. It was weird trying to figure it out. Yeah, if I still figuring it out. I mean, good fight card, solid fight, chick jet Congo quietly, just doing work over and belt or you got some super born fights. I think a lot of people held it against them, but say kind of slowly working his way back to just being an absolute monster. Ben Henderson looked phenomenal kind of the performance. He's always been looking for in bell towards. He's had a rough, go and Bella tore it to be honest also hasn't taken the best fight. Matchup wise. He's had some tough. Tough gone did great against Saad Awad Saad Awad. Okay. Name. But I, I gotta be honest. I, you know, I was like, man, I'm I'm pretty excited for this card. Nothing crazy. And then when it came to fade or and chill I was, I was on the gym. I seat. Yeah. I was like, oh, here we go meant here we go and fade or bub Bubba. Bubba lasted chill sewn in the motherfucking grill right off the bat that, oh shit jails in trouble here, man. Jails in trouble. You know, it came to the rest, stuff like that. The jails only kind of real chance was to get fate or down early control him where mouth and then go to work in the second third round. But if he didn't get out of that first round, he's definitely gonna be in trouble. So fade early good. He looked at splice of takedown defense, look, pretty solid. He reversed jail, you know, two hats off to jail, you know, for gin blasts in the face multiple times, the hardest shot. I thought happened in the ground and pound when fater stood up and just rain down a huge, fuck in bomb, huge bomb on Chelsea Jones face shows us one of those guys man just tough as sales buffet. Damn good. Damn, damn, good. And for fate or the nice thing is is now you're fighting Ryan Bater. So your game plans not going to change a whole lot. You can do the same training. You're need better conditioning Ryan's gonna be faster, stronger. Better striker and you know he, he, he's gonna be hint things a little different than chill sonum was. So you know, he's just younger and he's in the prime moves career. I still think Ryan Bater gets us done. He's been my dark horse to win this term since day one. So. You know that that that forgiven finals. The final, the grand prix, final fate or verse Ryan, baiters phenomenal, phenomenal matchup. What a cool concept, man. It's just feel so old school pride, so so old school pride, Ryan baiters never looked betterman. He looks for dude. He beat the breaks off metro. Yeah, he's definitely dominated that fight starch. Qingbo chemo's a monster making MOS great career starch, king MO, taking seconds, manhandled, Matt Mitchell on his own natural way, bigger by the most athletic guy and belt or history. Manhandled him dimming get knocked out. Nothing like that and is fighting fate or in the finals. What a, what? A great feather in his cap. If Ryan Bater can pull this off, he's already to light heavyweight champion, bell tower. Now's the heavyweight champ. If he wins this, what you know for a lot of guys, you know, you can go back when they make the move to Bella tour. People go got bad move for Brian baiter, God, Dan, was that the right movement? You'll be a two division world champion, heavyweight, light heavyweight. You beat the likes of Phil Davis. You'd beat the light to fade or king MO, Matt Mitchell on. Three, the heavyweight champion, their heavyweight division, who else is there for him really do work if you if he beats fair or to defend his belt check Congo's right there. That's a fun fight. I think the bell tower move has never worked out more anyone's favor than probably Ryan Bater if you were to pull this heavyweight tournament off and also when the one of the good guys in the business, just a good. Good. Great dude, really, really good dude. That's the heavyweight division, dude. How about on Friday night? Surrogate. John of knocking out ROY Nelson. God, ROY Nelson just as tough as they fucking come in. But that was just a tough fight to see bombs. Bombs bombs is right man. Golic the heavily Shipman not mad at their heavyweight lineup, this stuff croak up on the roster. Just not of it. Looks like it Vanderlei. Justice in just rents on Rogan and Bert. Kreischer this week he's supposed to go on here. Just I feel like once you go on Rogin which go on bird, you've gotta make rounds. Dude. We've I'm a gas game thing or we're not gonna break any news here. The scheduling was stopped, so I'm going to get them in next time. But he's with that. What's his name? Levada junior on how fail off feel Levada. Junior, who's. Supposedly may be fighting gay guard Musashi next for for title fight hafi Levada. He's a. Out of Oklahoma gyms out of Oklahoma, and he's a complete badass when it comes jitsu, but you're hear my, he's gonna be on been Bert, Kreischer tune into those men. I don't know if he's going to be on Burt, but either way you guys should know this guy, he's undefeated since he's made is McConnell. Debut nine wins. He could guess it most our submissions. He had a nasty ass TKO though of a knee was vicious a little bit ago, but just the decorative is shit when it comes to Brazilian jujitsu and a great guy really good dude. That belt or those exciting man. I'm hoping I Scott Coker. I hope the ratings are Good Hope. The ratings are good for them and competitions. Good. The UFC coming off, the biggest paper you they've ever had in history. Then hopefully, you know, fade or in jail, brought him big ratings, hopefully baiter Mitchell and did decent too. So it's just a good time to be a sports fan. MMA Spanish. It say for move on thinking, pistol go for two. Man, I travel all over this beautiful nation all over. Got to be honest. A lot of dudes at my shows mainly all dudes few girls. Now I'm doing some Bravo stuff. Mainly dudes though. 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Trust me if it was that easy, a lot more guys would be going over. The reason why the UFC is the biggest organization on the planet when it comes to fighting because they have the best contracts in the world, they have the best lawyers working for them. You can't just jump over. You don't want to fight here. Cool. I'm here does not work like that. Do not do not. Tweet me could be beltway here. They come and then fifty cent posting. You know, here's the real Chan we'll treat them right. God does no one know how any of this business works. It does not work that way just because you happen to see him. See you can't jump over to Belot or their off-season. Competitive, you does not work like that. Tamang guys ones. It's it happens is going down in Los Angeles, correct. Now that was the Mitchell unwanted said, no, I'm telling you Ryan, Bater favor fighting Jane, late January. You know what? Hold on on c. team. I asked they're fighting January twenty six at the forum in Los Angeles, Ryan Bater fatal. And Scott Coker bell Tor I'm gonna be going to that with my friends. Money brings out tickets. You're right. Bloom, Inglewood, California forum. I'm gonna be there. With a frigate Ryan Bater shirt on suck at Russia just to just getting, but I am room for Ryan Bater. Tell you what. One of the things I thought the overall fight was great, the productions. Great. One of the things that that that kind of. Fight was missing was Marlin. Also they need a little bit of spice in that commentary. Everyone did a great job. But when when fate or fights, I knew here Marlin oh, I need to hit some Morrow. Men. About moral. 'cause he recently tweeted that he's sort of a free agent. What do you have it up there? His tweet was theorem me promoters. See this year I have call, oh yes. Those three goes deer ever made promoters. I've called some of the most memorable moments in the sport and would love to continue doing so fulltime to nineteen. Please contact my manager, Frank shamrock if interested in my services. Wow. So you had that is weird. He was on there. But again, kid be contract things. I'd take some what, what's up, man? How come you on this? And you know, he just said his contracts up and they're trying to figure it out. So I think it's just that they think they have Mike Goldberg big, John Frank Maher. Jenn Brown shouted to Jim Brown. Then he got Josh Thompson yet shale. That's six lot. Does Gobert already. Yes, Jay Glazer. Yeah, that's seven. So you gotta you gotta get him out on the roster. There's some sure yet figured out he can pay in everyone, but Mara Nala man. There's none batter outside outside the USC. Obviously, Joe Rogan's numerous, no, John DC those guys. That's the. Yeah, scandal at is word. Very strange. Hopefully they figured out when he Marco and fight, especially when favourite fight for God's sakes. It's convention. Yes, sir. Let's go at the first one that the pay per view record. I think you talked about this to you. You policies or something on Instagram also have t. twenty nine to beavers McGregor destroys previous Emma may record for pay per views estimated two point, four million estimate two point just under. Yep, just under right? Yeah. Yeah, you know when I not even I just was, I admit, I was wrong. So I, you know, I didn't think I thought it would. It would do around one point six, something like that. Just wrong. I don't. I don't think I took into account how exactly big of a megastar Connor is. And I thought legal streaming would also play a huge factor into it just because the the younger demographic, that's what they're doing. People are streaming shitload of it, and I thought that would hurt pay per view numbers as wrong. Thank God because now could be and Connor you paid. Yeah, I, I want that. I never, it's. It's not a matter of me hating or anything like that in the circle. I'm in the world. I run and I just thought I didn't feel the same buzz as I did for the Floyd Mayweather fight. But again, maybe you know, Conners move the bar so high up when it comes to fight hype and pre hype that it's so high up when he hits not like God, this isn't usually there's something more going on here and you know. Doesn't need to do it. And this actually helps Connor. And his future negotiations has how much media he's gonna do because he didn't do much at all for this fighter. Two biggest find ever. So when they go, dude, we need you to this world tour when you fight Tony Ferguson or Nate Diaz nam and why? I barely did any media. It's the biggest all time because they can say, dude, it's only put more money in your pocket. Well, let's do it. It was the biggest vault time. So it's a good thing. This isn't me like bow down like a, there's nothing wrong with being wrong. And like you said, good thing. I was wrong, good thing, man, and that rematch Jimmy bigger than that. I wonder how many of kebabs fans are responsible for this too. He has a big following huge phone. Yeah. What four million followers on scam, something like that. Now they're Instagram's are completely different if seen post-fight because kebabs with the. Degs Danny inch are the Chechen kind of. Figure the lead a twelve point, six million dollars for a so he's Dan. Lewis could be post which one? This one? Yeah, that one and the other one. That's interesting. Oh, that's another current event to. I'll bring that up in a second k. Let me see his other posts. This one. That's just a painting piece of art. Don't talk too much somewhere Turkey, and that's interesting. Yeah, there have been very different. Right? So it could be got a car from the Chechen leader. He had a Mercedes stuff like that. He's with Putin, and then college just live in his best life and some people are upset. I see people I watch for steak and all those shows the ESPN shows in the morning and they're like, dude, how can he show up to this football match? Like he's done anything is asked slip, stuff like that. I get a little bit of it, but same time to man the UFC, especially the UC's different than than boxing where you know you're fighting the absolute best day in day out when when you do sign up for fight and you know, lost doesn't really. It sucks for sure. But you know, MMA fans, they, they don't forget everything you've put into the sport, like boxing us. Once box that guy he's done. He's gonna be shit and never made man. Get lose the next one come back like that fan base really doesn't waiver that much. I mean after you have your fair weather fans, but other than that, it's just different man, but he's definitely live Beth best life, proven that proper to a vodka whiskey. My God, that boy is everywhere. Just has happy as could be. Cannot be happy that much money in the Bank. I know and him in particular like fans, they don't care him in particular. They just don't care when he loses or wins Darwin than that, so much support to win the next one. You can't. I think most fans understand that. You know those a tough match-up form. There's a laugh, stuff like that. Gotta win the network in order to keep this kind of mystique mystique vibe going. He's just a happy chanted Heike not be happy. Benjamin on his best life just doing the damn thing. Say that fights really taken stole on like, but again, never get Instagram confused with the real life who knows how he's feeling outside. This game is three seconds out of your day. This is I don't know why trading concert. I know it's been. Yeah, he was migos. Yeah, just doing the damn thing. Man. All right. What else we got. Let's go here up. So you talked about this on fat k. but you want to cover some of this over here. Sure. So it could be amalgamated ultimatum to the see that if they cut that guy's a beer, a beer, something, his teammate that he'll quit. So we know that his teammates not fighting Artem Lobov he plays John's. Yeah, by a fight for them month fight though, either way. So we know that's not happened. We haven't found the, they've stuck by the cutting, you know, if you see, you can't let the, you know the inmates run the silence. So I don't know what you do here because. You know, with a lot of guys when I say a lot of them, say ninety nine point nine, nine, nine, nine percent of fighters in the ac- when you have a problem with UFC, especially if you're at a world championship level, you're a big name in the sport, and you have an issue, they'll call you behind the scenes and they're going to figure something out to make sure it's worth your time, whether it's money, Amina, vet something, a new sponsor. There's something they're going to do to make sure you pipe down with Khabib. There's not amount. I don't think that they could call him with and try to go. I listen, we're gonna cut him, but we're going to give you the mount of money. You're just dealing with a guy who does not care about fame does not care about money. So for the first time, you know, there's a lot of guys who call the UFC bluff, hey, I'm not gonna fight. I'm like, can do this. You don't do this and it's never worked out. Look at the the Nate Diaz doesn't import offs in hindsight's getting date because Nate doesn't pulled out such. A fucking bomber, we'll get to that, but with him pulling out. But remember when Nate and dozen tried force in the ABC's hand for once if you five pound division, that makes all the sense in the world. But when you let the inmates try to force you to do something, you know you, you go down a weird road. So you'll see even though it probably wouldn't good for business at the time in hindsight's? Nope, not happening, man. Yeah, that would be good. Not happening though. So with Kabeba I don't know what you do. It's a, it's a tough situation because also with this with his buddy who's getting cut who he calls, you know, his brother is his buddy getting cut. That would have been a fun fight to watch our verse him would have been how much of a bigger fight now. Now I always green great to me. Nice guy is tough as they come fighter out of out of Conner's camp, but did we really care about that fight until now? Now I feel like if I get a lot more eyeballs, do you have see just swallow that pill like here. But again, UC swallows that pill of lend these guys dictate who they're going to cut what what they're gonna do. Quiche man. You go down a weird road, super weird road because then. You know, it could be jump out of the ring in the whole plan of action and then kinda premeditating this attack on Connor stuff like that. There has to be consequences for that. Do their house. We consequences for Conor dot. There has consequence all the way around. So you can't just go Kay could be is going to bounce. We can't do anything. Let's not do that. You can't do that. If the, if you're the of see they're in a tough spot, man, it's I, I generally don't think could be gives a shit about your money or your title shot or what's next. I said, Josh Thompson came on here, and we've had these talks behind scenes to he's could even no matter what was going to retire. I think he's done, which I found fascinating. You know, fascinating. Yeah, I don't know what you do during tough spot. This guy in particular is a tough one too, because could be no his buddy that got cut or supposedly cut. If it was just like a Connor was doing like defending himself or even attacking from the front, it'd be one thing, but this is from the back. That's what made it like you kind of have to let the guy go. Right? It's such a bitch move. You know, the terrible here. Like man, if it was facing Connor, it'd be different, I think is bad to the public. UC's in a tough spot. What else you? All right. Let's do this. We already talked about this stuff, but now in last last week show, do you wanna talk about other stuff? Joel, Alexander gets into five to light heavyweight builder UC to thirty two. So DC district, I love that. Man, they they, they, they did strip DC. They will strip them if like private same thing, once I punches thrown. Yeah, they're going to wait for it. See some falls or something like that. Yeah, good man. Glad John's back. This is the thing. If I asked you chin who fought last John Jones Augusta, and what would you say. I wanna say guessing, right? He's been out longer than John crazy because when I first heard this five, my God that for John come off that longest lay lay off and fight Guston that's by far stuff is ever to date not even close. Some people think guest won that fight. Not filing the same card. I saw both men's bodies after the after the exchanging of fisticuffs in that locker room. Both men were so fucked up. They both lay down the line, no one loss at night, but the judges dig it to John Jones. By far the toughest fight of his life, they have this long layoff. You're dealing with all this stuff and they give him gusts in my initial reaction. Oh, fuck me. And that is what's the odds? That's my brother. You would look at the odds, you know, not that John can't beat them, but that's a tough comeback. Fight man against rangy Guston who's a monster now sitting there, my God, I guess Simpson doing work man. Last time he. Not to look it up like. Wall John. What are we talking about? This is the perfect plan for John to ring, rosters to ring ring rust. Rearrest is real as Connor as something guy's been out for a long time. What are the odds. Yeah. When you think about it, you, you know, you always think fricking. Oh, that's great for great fight, though. Man, phenomenal. I'm excited for excite for both guys. I would assume Johns as long as Justin's been. Our third is minus two seventy five for John Jones. Yeah, plus two. This seems right. My initial thought was like, oh, fuck John. That's the fight. Let's get a warm up, but not the way the UC works. It's not the way I sport works. And also allergenic has been out a lot longer. You know, John wins that one. What do you do? Let's say the Oddmakers, right? John wins that one, you know, I'll see DC's fighting soon against Derrick Lewis. Have we talked about that on the show I was going to be bring next so we can do do that next, but John wins that one, he becomes the light heavyweight champion. Stuff predicament because you put remember when they said John would never be a headliner again, you never been the main advantage. Just hilarious. Also still the best promo of all time, the John Jones against DC to, oh my God, you want to promo, you'd look that fucking being the things of ridiculous. Best sports, combat sports promo ever ever cut hats off to ever get that thing. So now you have DC verse Derek Lewis for the heavyweight title. Off CDC's the heavy, heavy favourite in that, and they got John fight in January. And then DC if all goes according to plan and the automakers are right yet, DC beats Derek Lewis and who'd fight and what are we thinking still February March against broccoli center. He wants to be done by March. So he said March, right? Yeah, but I'm sure I'm sure if they set up the fight after March, he'll be fine. He'll do it only if it's Brock list. Yeah. Only if his Brock listener. Live, John has the light heavyweight belt. DC has the heavyweight belt. How big of a fight is that DC verse John Jones for the world heavyweight title in a trilogy fight. I mean after after DC beats Brock listener. Yeah. The amount of money DC and John can make together. But for DC, it's like you've been this. You've been the light heavyweight champion the world, right? Even the heavyweight champion, the world, you'd be Brock listener tree got good amount of money in the Bank. There's never enough. Do you risk it all and fight John Jones with your heavyweight title for your last fight, ever at heavyweight and he's gonna be even better heavyweight thing to you, risk everything and fight all that against Jon Jones heavyweight God, dang, man, or do you write off in the sunset. There's such pros and cons because pro, if you're at a beat him, you're the best of all time hands down. No argument adver you're the best mixed martial arts ever. There's literally there's people can't be like well here. No, there's nothing if you were to be John Jones at heavyweight for the world championship. After beating Derek Lewis after doing what he's done, too steep bay in. I mean, we're, we're talking about men, so there's that on the table and the biggest payday of all time. Gotta gotta feel in DC might be like, you know what I said, March. Let's just say to a nineteen my last year. Yeah, I think so too. Right. I would imagine it's just too much impluse. He wants his legacy. He doesn't want that little feeling that he couldn't be John Jones. Although I did hear him say somewhere that he wanted to fight him back, it light heavyweight, light heavyweight. But. I think he should do heavyweight. Because that'll be fighting to fights at heavyweight before he gets to that place. Let's remember. Last time we saw John off strict. You of testing was against SP. He looked as human as ever severe DC you're looking at that going. I can beat that guy. Let's see how it looks and know. I also think if you know if John had struggles against Guston or that, you know, there's, you know if he loses me completely fucked, but we don't thinking like that. But if you were if he says so few ring rests of its Stahl there with you saw testing. I bet DC takes that fight at heavyweight. That's his last one. We have three more fights at DC. I bet you DC Derek Lewis. Get Devers Brock listener and get DC verse John Jones about right. That's what I think. What if Gus wins. Well, then guess is gonna then DC might go to light heavyweight. Maybe I don't know. He's beat a right, so it's not that intriguing to me. It has a close fucking fight. Yeah. Alexander has been this close to being the best in the world. He's so goddamn Goodman. And those are brutal fights to with John Jones and with DC. Oh brutal. It's taken its toll on that man. A semi thing about no one's talking about this man. He's been left in the dust is St. bay. Dino poor steep, Amen. Yeah. The most winningest heavyweight champion of all time defend thousand most times, and they're just like. DC made a good point though off. See Steve base talking shit because he's upset because steep is willing to take that fight short knows who gets DC mess Square Garden. Yeah, in DC goes, listen, Stevie sea. Bake can beat me in number of ways on the ground striking. He's very well rounded and the short of mount of time. I'm not fighting him again, and I agree with DC. There's not a whole lot of ups. I just starched the man. You know, Derek Lewis, very, very dangerous in that first round, second and third round. Let's me five round fight. Data's one through five, no matter how fucking tired. He looks. Dick Lewis has the fucking touch of God in that right hand that touches DC at anytime that fights over, but that's literally the only way he can win that fight. He cannot wrestle them. He cannot strike them. He can't submit him. There's nothing you could maybe ground and pound him. If you know DC got shot in his heel and fell to the ground and get taken down, but you're not gonna take him down. There's just not a whole lot. You can do there. So if I'm saving the fight card, the shore of notice dick Lewis is the perfect perfect match up and shout out to Derek Lewis. Man finally get a title shot, dude this the way to do. I don't know if he gets one if he doesn't do this. So I, I think this is brilliant. What it's either this or they throw you to flicking steep pay, you know, you wait around, then you get steep, which is obviously a rough matchup for him. Although without right hand, which is why this is intriguing. You know, c. s. fought similar guys. You look at he fought rumble Johnson eight. His big shot awfully steep as a hard puncher. He he's fought some tough, tough guys who can fuck and strike man. I'll see Anderson Silva, but little different from Johnson's. Probably the closest one has beat him twice. Submissions submitted both them did Hanson heavy puncher, ROY, Nelson, heavy, puncher, Frank. Mayors, no punk, Josh Barnett can hit Bigfoot, civil, can strike in all. He's he's lots of heavy heavy handed dudes and was able to deal with them. So I'm both them get paid, especially for Derek Lewis. You know, money's his objective here is going to get paid. He's fighting for the world championship of heavyweight title. So hats off to both those guys. I'm I, I like to fight. I know some people like this is inferior to Derrick. Lewis pretty awesome. If you're Derek Lewis, you can pay any money. What else you got in? I got this. This came out of nowhere. Kevin levers ally Kenta to headline FOX thirty one December fifteenth Milwaukee. Yup. And I know Kevin Lee, when does Emporia got hurt, right? Everyone knows doesn't Pori and eight days the fights off because does appear. Raise hurt. I d say, hit. He said, hip Kat such a shame in breaks your heart. I know Kevin Lee was the first one to call Sean Shelby and go. Please give me Nate Diaz. He's trying to step in and fighting eight days and they decide they wanna keep them for this main event on fight night on December fifteenth against raging ally Quinta. So. They what? After seeing what you know could be Connor seen what to how I quit to dealt with Khabib. It makes you wonder out. Good. You know, I went to damn good fighter toughest home, very, very good fighter. But man, I wouldn't mind Kevin Lee. Nate Diaz have been awesome. Yeah, I wonder why they didn't do that the price saving. Nate, right. I don't think I, I don't. I don't know the, I have no idea, but I'm assuming Nate Diaz is like, no, I'm not fighting for Kevin Lee. He's just not big enough named for him. Yeah, he called out, could be going to wait for could be that fight. You be waiting forever though. Name your, you'll be fighting when you're forty, four dude, like they're not gonna you know, like to be given, he's going to have a suspension. You haven't thought in forever. So. Yeah, I wonder what they do with a man. What would you do? And they. Depends on what he wants, but I guess wait for the really big fights wait for what happens to Connor, but you know Connor and could be getting suspended. Yeah. I guess you wait for the trilogy- fight. I mean him against it can be a fight though. You know, like it's been a long time, but if you're Nate, it's like, all right. You want me just to fight this late. Notice, you know, Kevin Lee, I don't wanna do that. Yeah, I know it's gonna bring a bunch of eyeballs. I want to get paid, man. I need a big fight. I see what needs doing man. It's hard to argue with it. Ferguson's gonna. Wait, right? Like I thought maybe I step in and fighting eight. I'd love that fight. I the only reason I don't like it on short notice because the build up of Tony, I eight days would be phenomenal. I'm not mad at that either. Now they got Nate Diaz ranked ten. Yep. So if you're Tony, I it's names, you know titles don't mean everything these days names names names. I will. She got, dude. I see that name right there to number four. Eddie Alvarez. Yes. Did you hear about this and he's close to or probably is done with the deal with won one championship, a multi-million dollar deal, blah, really? Yeah. Good for him. Yep, that's some I really didn't expect him to go there. I thought maybe Bill go where wherever you're going to pay him the most. I if you're any Alvarez, you've done it. All right. Bella toward champion, UFC, lightweight, champion dream. I think he was champion, but either way he's a frigging Allah Famer. So at the end of your career, you just want to get the biggest payday possible the glory days are behind you who's gonna pay me the most one FC. Fantastic. Where do I sign? I love it. Good for him. Good. Yeah, we're at eob RAs. And he put on about to announce when the biggest athletes signings in the history for one chimp any guesses that's shot sit you're Dong from one. So I'm most like, how do we know it's a multimillion dollar deal area, reported it air Awani? What did he say? Free agent? Eddie elvers is very close to agreeing to a molten fight. What do you see multimillions. Right. New, multi fight with windows multi, so's missing would be the biggest free agent signing you saw so inside his red, multi as multimillion than no. Well, yeah, by bathroom, my that. I'm assuming it's the highest paid though, so good for him. Others saying they're paying like a million of fight. That'd be sick. I thought it was. Right. Well, she got all right. So I know you're not gonna like this. Yeah. So the headlines I feel sick carry on this guy. You met this guy Leonard? Yup, l'herbe. Yep. So he posted with could be challenging Mayweather teeth of a fight here. Yeah, I saw this. Let the listeners. Leonard with the old chomps. They're just like. They look like glow in the dark teeth self. Yeah, shiny, aren't they? Yeah. Well, a little bit just, you know, I'll see could be fucking around getting getting Instagram likes somebody get time. This is one of the beast is life. It's something fun to do. Obviously, Floyd Mayweather inconvenient gonna find a boxing match. It's not his forte. Yeah. Say the least Lindo right hand. Connor get the fuck outta my face with that. Get outta. My face are just a closes out for did respond. Of course, in the headline, he's the greatest marketing marketing fighter ever and CBS Showtime, MGM grin, get the checkbook out, go to letter w page. If you could be challenged to me, has Jake CBS hashtag Showtime hashtag, hell Nov do not ever do this ever. Yeah, sounds silly. There's no let me just if there's any any frigging heat here. What could be being a champion? He's stuck to the FCC though. Right? So you'll see would do a frigging deal. Yeah, with all my say hockey, talking about chin, got damaged, dude, obsess, who knows everything, his buddy. His buddy is not going to be the anymore. He's done. He's Audi. Yeah, but the US's Cooman fight. This is a this is such a mockery of just spiting in general. Yeah, definitely. Silly. Just I'm not gonna say who I'd takes Showtime, but the guy knows the thing too about Floyd Mayweather he's probably gonna be like, don't ever text this ever again, I'm disappointed you consider the. This offseason happened. Good for Khabib. He's a household name. Now. He's giving their of course Floyd's going to run with this Floyd's like I'll, hey, any you big UC FIS you want come on down QB come on down. I mean you just made, you know? Yeah, we'll make Floyd a make a one hundred million dollars from beaten your ass in just boxing. Tamang man. What else you got. All right. You asked this question before, so now we know it the chocolate LT Ortiz, three pay per view price. Can you get so much? They're charging ninety nine four, nine. No northern that more than that four hundred ninety nine more less than the UFC ninety getting closer forty-nine Bom. Forty nine. It's old school baby. And it's gonna be a fight TV. Am I gonna legally stream this? Yes. No kidding. There you go. It's going to be on what f I m I t TV website. He'll be streaming whatever sort TC for forty-nine yet some nerve charging forty nine ninety nine. Good for them, though. Man, hey, if they put together those guys can make some money good for them. I'm not gonna eat on it. All right, Gleason T-Bone nets. He would be fighting on the undercard as a welterweight. Oh, wow. That's big news. Is it because he was with the for so damn long. Fuck man, if what has twelve years. But if I that's all along twelve years is in in professional sports world, twelve years. Is that for I know, especially in the fight business, he was shocked when he was released. He lost a punch, though, man. Yeah, yeah. When's the fight taking place. November. Third, I think fucked Sutin band, and that's in the form. I might be wrong about the, aren't you going to go to? I was supposed to go supposed to. You got any tickets. I'm sure we can get you tickets. You really wanna go. I definitely do want to go. Yeah, you know what? I don't know anybody building point you don't. You know, Chuck. And you know, Tito though, does my boy? Yeah, there you go. All right. Remember twenty four th at the forum, November thirds of ESE Cartwright. Yeah. Hey, what I cannot see Chuck losing this fight man, really? I'm sorry. I can't see to log literally just based out for. I'm back Tito young. These fucking good man. He looks like really in shape now to you term about Tito. He beat Ryan Bater pretty recently. Chill. What else yet? Yes, he beat jail. There you go. All right. So now for a hot minute, this is going on everywhere. So glad you brought up. So this is where Jonty Walder was doing a Spanish television network or. Yeah, it's ESPN ESPN in Spanish, right. I've been Sonia spin. I've been on this show and apparently everyone was saying that he broke the mascots jaw while you punch the mascot. I just want to how did this all happen? Was the mascot like, yeah, punch me. The guy whoever this host is he was like, yeah, punch him in the face of the stomach. So I'll just play this clip real quick visit clips whole areas, fast, four girl posted. I could not stop laughing. And that's a legit hit two. Stands there worry. He's all the mascots. All. Yeah. I mean, if you if you were gonna sit inside that or stand inside that costume, that's kind of where your head's going to be to where you punched house about it. That was fun for that guy. Hardy, punched him? Yeah. Did they say so reports are inaccurate? No injury was caused in the mascot earliest once. All right. What Shikata deonte is response to it because they're saying the headlines are saying that he didn't know that there's an actual human being inside the costume. That's such a low dig. Of course, he knows the frigging human being in it. Hold up. Heavyweight boxer not to breaks Joff filling to realize a real person. Leave the picture. He's all he anything Hedley. Anything headlining. I don't know. Human being was in there is just straight. Click baiting like, come on now. I guess the mascot rolled out there show some respect, sincerely apologize to the brave man that was injured. If this is true, which is not the most high respect for him, his participation, Willis encourage, this is true. I personally would like to invite him to my December. I fight word is bond champ. God. How hilarious is that. Did it no human being was in the mascot. He thought that was a fucking robot. Yeah, that that picture. I know he behind like, what the fuck did they let him sock that mascot like that dude that do though is the host. He was like, he actually showed what a punch in the face or the stomach. Knocked the shit of another thing too. What else went pretty hard on that? This is just a quick one, Dana white. You know, he said he'd probably if could be was gonna be under a long suspension. He would probably be stripped. Now he's saying that he won't strip. He won't be stripped him out of what that's cool. Okay. And then this one. All right. So you know it's the jar you basis to fight. I feel bad for men. Yeah, yeah, she's the, she's the girl is the main event announced for mess. Qu- guarding Valentina shift chant go for that belt anyway. How about Joe Rogan? I were doing his show and. Jaime brought it up right when it happened. We were both. Like what I know. So that kind of swayed some things I think so. Then she put at Dana at McNall deleted bunch of fucking couch point from this thing and you'll regret it. That's pretty hardcore right. You'll regret it bunch of fucking coward me from this thing in your regret it in what way? Though? Put me, then she put shortly. She quit run this thing like a circus put me on. Put me undercard, put me co, main. I don't care, but put me in for the flyweight title shot. Dana McMahon yard. I've earned my shot. This might time quit running this thing like a circus. How make may. Okay. Well, my bad, I guess you ain't. No. Sorry, this is my life. You're playing with. Yeah. So she was emotional, obviously, hell. Yeah, I'm sure she's upset. Listen for her to no matter if you know who she is. If you feel like you're fighting style, whatever as a fighter, the biggest moment of your life is headlining a UFC event, especially at mass Grigor does not get better for title shot, and then he gets yanked out from underneath ya. And it's just like she's done nothing. She didn't ask to be the main event amass Square Garden. She didn't ask to to fight all this. You know, this controversy surrounding the main event. She didn't think, you know, she thought maybe she was gonna find on it. She didn't know she's the main event. And then there's such a back laugh. Last UC goes, oh shit and retracts the statement just fucks the girl over. Yeah. I sit on how seriously were about putting that on his as a main event. Like it's is weird. I think they were scrambling like, dude, we have nothing. So there's put the title shot up to get tickets hills rolling. And there was such a such a backlash, like, oh, fuck to sink. In workman, call up DC made him offering. Can't refuse call up dick Lewis like we got one and then boom. But poor Seraya Eubanks man. That's just it can't. It's not her fault people hating on our like, she's like, what the fuck. I just fight. You guys make the cards. You guys make the main events. I was honored to do this and get all this backlash, like what the fuck. That falls on the UCS nothing do with her. She has to be careful if your super stuff like that tweet at McMahon yard Dana white. You know, there's you some repercussions there. Yeah, you and see what she so upset though. Of course, and they would. She says she would have made history like I African American female to headlines like she, there's, there's a lot to it. It wasn't just a regular MS lot to no matter who's fine for title. You're black, white, African Chinese, Korean, like Brazilian when you're fighting for title history, no matter what I see what you're saying the first, but you know, from the you'll see like take it's men but the season the wrong here because don't announce it if you were going to switch it on this Borgo what else you got? Yeah, I got this. So. Since she's fighting or you know, there's a thing here, so she's gonna fight onto thirty against Roxanne monetary. So she did her fight eventually, but just not for title show now and it's not even. I don't know where it's gonna laugh, fight. Are these? She has a fight she wanted to fight of at least she has a flight there. That's not good. Yep. And because of that now the Valentina shift shaneco. Let's go. Now the Valentina Shevchenko and you wanted inch j. check fight. It's gonna go on again for the title that in Canada to thirty one. Toronto? Yeah, Scotia Bank arena. That's cool. Again, sex with that girl, man. What else yet? It's take up. I know you're not gonna like this either, but it is making the news out, so fifty cent reached out to could be saying, and you already mentioned this kind in the beginning that he would pay two million dollars. If he came over to fight and bell Baltimore, which you're saying, you can't do anyways. Also, two dollars ain't shit. But the funny thing I've found here was Cubbies response. He just says, just send me location that this thing, right? Yeah. And then. He says, if you wanna see place where we'll born, I invited STAN in when I come to let you know, thank you for support. You are real man. Yeah, I know you wouldn't like this fifty cent. I know could be a man of principle, and the disrespect was overwhelming McGregor any mispelled McGraw. Put a space between the name. It's overwhelming and overwhelming. LEGO is lucky. He didn't ignore him. Tapping out and kept going. He capitalized having. You just doesn't know the fight game in the least bit, but whatever. Hold on all deal with Dana in your contract later could be the UC is not the only game in town. Zoo guy has always welcome. Also. Yeah, get the fifty. Good luck with Dana white Neo, see on getting Kabeba his contract. If you just be Connor. I just. It's all just smoking. There's none of this is real. It's all fun. I discuss. None of that's real. Fifty cent knows about as much as fighting as I do about fucking skiing in what are we doing? What else yet? This is another quick one. So after Benson Henderson, one is fight that was octa weaken. That was so awkward is post fide. Speech was talking about, never. He gets on the mic. It's always Hugh. He could be such a bigger star, but when he gets on that, Mike, it's always like preachy bullshit. Like Tony Robbins like God thing, and it's just people like God and feels like like, you wrote it three weeks before. To use this of kind of the performance only been looking for from you in the Arctic inside the cage feeling goes, your sons, your daughters going to watch when you're when you're going in there is going to be on TV. How do you explain that and big. I'm sorry what he's like, oh, he talked to me, bats. I jumped out of the cage how you can explain it to your kids, or we said something to me, your son's going to be five years old. He's gonna say this kid said something to me at your school. Where are we going to say, no, watch how you conduct yourself, your professional ANSI. You've got the hold yourself a higher standard. Jeez. Out of nowhere talk nothing to do with it. Also you're not in the. It just it was sloppy, wasn't well put together. It was your moment, and even the crowd was booing you. You said this big fight. It was awkward and I love banning. He's the best, but that was terrible. How. What are you say to your son when he's sitting in satin sheets in a fifty million dollar crib, because you jumped out a cage is the biggest rematch ever and everyone tuned in and everyone paid seventy ninety nine for that HD cause the biggest fight history because I don't know shit about selling fights and could be yeah, it's bad right now. But when the smoke clears, it can be the best thing ever for the sport because everyone's talking about it. How you explain that you tell your kids that. How you tell your kids, they're set up for the next seven generations because daddy meat so much God damn money. He came from Dacca, STAN wrestling, goddamn, Kodiak bears. Now you don't have to wrestle shit besides Bank accounts and pitches for the rest of your life because they had jumped off the gut MK. It's like an eagle and the entire world saw. I'm more famous than ever now. Hey, explained that to your kids. You tell me. Let's get to church. Dude, only a few more here. All right. So ROY McDonald. Broke his nose, guess confirmed that he would? Yeah, he broke his nose. How the hell you do that. Then man, three times is that at least three times sometimes when you break it, it can come back stronger, but sometimes what he did, it's a hot mess in that in that beak of his broken nose Coker said, I know that whatever he needed to do. He did it. I'm ready to go straight to start changing few weeks time out time out. Just relax. He's Amel. Just want to keep training funding. I don't know, man. Yeah, it's a bummer. So he says, he's gonna come back. We'll Scott Coker wants back sometime around February. He wants to come back sooner though. This one. It's just continuing on with Hoffer, Sanyo's until Danis your last week. We talked about them tweeting each other. Yup, he's a nobody. That's how failed the sangha says. Now he's challenge into a fight for two hundred thousand dollars. I feel dose Anjos said, why don't we? Why don't we do like you said to Kevin Lee? I one hundred k. you put up hundred k. and go, your Jimmy come to mind jumping the cage though. Time. Whatever walked out takes two hundred k. wow, you're move shit. I mean, I'd pay to watch that forty nine and watch that. You heard about that Kevin Lee went to? Yeah, still long stream like a seven hour stream of those two grappling. Straight jitsu. People forget how does dose Anjos is a monster grappling, but God get figure Dana's younger, no time limit. It's gonna be trouble. I'd watch the shit out of that though. What else you got. Does Angeles has a fight, though he's the main event against. Your boy, the fuck Nigerian nightmare. I'll Comoros man. Yup. Pretty sure I did see something about that too. Let's say the ultimate fighter. Finale November. Thirtieth go to finale good one for who's been man. He's been looking for big fight. There you go. There you go. And then there's really not much any big ones you want to just look at this real quick though. Remember Jesse Taylor. He popped year ago, like four Koma theme. No, that's the first time he did it. He believes it was a supplement all that stuff. So you have c. didn't say anything to him. They just spend it until that time. So it's a month away. And then now they finally released. He's upset about that. Like, why wouldn't they tell them sooner? I don't know what is there anything else? That's it. Some questions? Yeah. All right. Gene. You want me to start if you'd like to. at Matt Dern as. Do you think secretly beeps camp is afraid of potential matchup with Tony Ferguson? And then he goes on why I'll stop you there. To be any fight at this high level to say, they're scared of another fire. You just. Just doesn't work like that. No one's scared. I highly doubt could be scared of the grappling of Tony Ferguson. I do think it's tougher potential matchup for could be, but scared. No, I don't think they're voting anything. Anything at all? At Shawn, underscore de underscore. What's worse could be friends hitting Connor with cheap shot his punching or chins Google in skills. Hunch was awful. At adian scored lighten score. What do you think about DC's comments about not wanting to fight steep bay because he's quote unquote, too good. I gotta I really think you guys are looking at this in the wrong way. So he's always start steeper, right? He'd knocked out in the first round to become the champion the world on a short notice fight you the only way you're gonna take that fight. If it's significant in your favor more likely than not, especially when you're the tail into your career, it doesn't make sense go. All right. Let's give steep another chance at this. He's a phenomenal striker house cardio any can wrestle. So after worry about all these other facets, if I take the steep and very beat himself, nothing to really gain here what the only thing that anyone can gain a steep air that fight DC gains nothing by find steep and short. Notice he has. He's risk of losing everything his shot against Lessner shutting John Jones. He's risking so much more than St. what steep have to lose nothing and it's whereabout all these other things. So you take short notice fi. Fight businesswise dick Lewis gays, a monster by can take him down, probably beat them easily easier than steep. It just makes sense. Anyone goes at soft, that's softest hell to talk like that. Get the fuck outta here. P scored the underscore lock, dude. I love the podcast, but you can't let chin lied all about the ads. There's always one hundred percent ads in the middle of every podcast. Love from Australia. You wanna take this chin. Yeah, love you back, but it's not a hundred percent of the time. We don't have any percentage, but it's not I, I won't with any of this. I do the reads, and then I exit the building. So it's not one hundred percent chin? No, it's all over the place. So hit or miss. It just depends face since that since people are so concerned, it's only when we're like, absolutely have to put mineral. That's I'll just mid roll. Everything else will be in front then front. It's free content should now it's I dunno at low Lena on score Pandelani scores today. When are you coming to Hawaii to do a show. We have really good cream barbecue down here. You're Hawaii. Cream barbecue. Hawaiian cream barbecue. My friends who my son's friends there little boy there, Korean shit, and they're like, dude, you shouldn't went to Korean barbecue and Salem. But yet Jin told me that like LA has the best. They said, there's some hole in the wall, the best in the world. Here. There's one called parks that people. Like a lot of famous Crean celebrities go there too. I've been there. I think it's great, but the hole in the wall, it's kind of hole in the wall. Not all takes you find. It's not really whole, but find out. I'm thinking about maybe becoming a Hawaiian in. In February after my special do some shows and take a vacation which haven't done forever. That'd be my plan tried to work slash rication after she dispel at Bob. Woo 'let how fighters get paid from pay per view buys and what percentage to the fighters make per by it all depends on the negotiation. I'm suing Connor has a higher pay per view percentage. So I think Brock listener was to make. Between two to four dollars per pay per view, used around there yet. Surmount appoints. So you can imagine with two point four million buys Connors making, who knows for five dollars a pay up to six dollars a pay per view, and should could be on the lower end two to three dollars. They're making fucking Bank men. They're gonna get real money from that thing. At shawny Ringo what's worse? Comma Gregor thrown a football. Fifty cents on a baseball. One hundred percent fifty cent throwing a baseball because you grew up in the fuck in New York City. You every kid learns how to throw a baseball unless you parents moved away and became a terrorist. Most people know how fucking baseball you're born and raised here. Comma Geiger did not. Did not. Grow up in our culture has not thrown a football before has really never seen the Merican style football. So for him to throw, of course, they're gonna throw like fuck in drew Brees. I expected that it was. It wasn't good, Kim sun, throw a better two and a half. Yes, but he was raised that way. Connor was not fifty. Cent has no excuses. Also kinda was just don't throw it fifty cents. That's a whole lead up. You know, you have coach at helps you with those throwing things. They've offered me do this stuff. They off you coach, throw four to help you throw and you get some practice throws so easy j. dot day underscore. We're kind of coffeemaker to us for the big Brown dark roast by black rifle, what's your favorite way to make coffee in the morning? Big fan shot to you. J. date underscore in the morning is through that big Brown. I have one of those fucking what is that chin. Mocha master. I don't know dope, ask coffee setup that black rifle set me technique form, mocha master. It's a nice one, but I drink my coffee with a little splash of all milk on Sweden every morning. What do you got any any. Just a couple of here. All right. Let's start with this one. This is so random TB JJ ES q.. When is it appropriate for a grown man to where overalls out for the day? I used to wear a middle school. It was the kind of the look died. It's tough because like if you wear that, if you the overalls and you do both, you look like a super redneck. I'd have to see what what else you rock shoes event. You're gone. If you have swagger before it takes us specific type of dude, rock overalls. Some guys can pull off most cannot. The coming back though. What else yet? Girls can do all the time. Right. I didn't expect you know roles? Yeah. All right. Nick, underscore mortello. Why did show flip forward off of feeders back? I guess he could have been going for Dr Senate Kanda shit. One of my favorite moves is when you have their back light it and you flip the front and a transition for Darshan the Khanda not jail forte. I don't know why he did that. That was a terrible idea, terrible move. He ate some horrible punches on the ground there. When you know fate or gave his infamous ground and pound after that kind of the mistake of the fight for Challe, it's a very high level move, especially pull off on a guy who's as versed in submissions and sambas fade or is so terrible. The whole, the whole set. It was slow. His hands weren't in the right place is a bad move on chill, and he paid daily for it. I'm sure he grits that yet. Thai Taif ni. First off, I'm a lesbian who loves loves the straight man based podcasts, and you definitely need to see old boy that Korean movie old Bohol shut out. The was been any more insights into cowboy versus Perry. Now that's thrown has left, Jackson wink. No zero anything. I'll hit up cowboy just take some of them a few weeks ago cowboy up the skit. Question co, Yoda given the performance that could be gave it to twenty nine. If you had given a classic humble Habib speech instead of the ball, we got, do you think that would have tremendously slowed down this whole entertainment era that we're in right now? Yeah, I would have slowed it down. God. This is weird to say that I'm not saying anyone doesn't know, but Kip eaves way more well known now because of the the antics. So in the end, if you're fighter and you money's your number one objective, this can have gone better for Connor could be after the fight. This can have done better. The fight went perfect for could be dingo Gordon plan for Conor, but after to set up the future and paid as and just the surrounding kind of media response from this. Also you've see doesn't want this, but same time to. You're gonna use it. It's gonna equal. Pay per view buys the biggest fight again of all time. Because if this doesn't happen is anyone going. We need that rematch dude, like we're no one's foaming at the mouth going. I gotta see these to go again. Now I feel like people no matter if you thought Connor got mauled or not, which I didn't think you did. So she after a long lay-off thing, he did pretty well. If you give, if he's if he stays kind of in the rhythm of the fight game, he has a way better chance of being Khabib. They fight again, especially could be a long layoff, so then there's ring us on his end. So now I just feel like this Bill is even more so it was perfect hate saying that hate saying that. But that's the game that that the the UFC brass and the fans have created. You got you guys eat this up, you guys eat this up, so that's why they run with it, but else yet. Lawrence, eleven. Every picture I seen a you over the past few years has. A look of sadness in your eyes. Why is that. First of all terrible picking we're gonna end on this awful questions, chin got another be. I think you need a new phone. Sounds wrong with your lens. I could not be sad bitch. This fuck in this is happy shit like my life could not get any better. Like Santa, Steve, it. Hell, no, you need feel vowed to you need. You need new mirrors any new guy, damn phone. You need to. You need to rethink your life. Maybe maybe you maybe you think happiness is sadness, maybe that's what's going on now. I could not be happier, man. Sorry off on that one off on that one. Be hard to mess up my what else? You got one? Yeah, I guess we can't end on that. All right. Well, shit, chin. This might be too. I don't know. How did you see the John Cavanaugh interviewed all with Joe Rogan? Yeah, I did. Okay. So shout out to Lockhart. Yeah, I'd send diem afterward. I thought he's really good man. I didn't know about too much about them. I've, I've seen the business. I've heard people say some negative things about him that I my mind changed as I started listening to this dude be this could be friends Custos shitload sound like a bro at the part at the beginning, a very military, dude. You tell knows what the fuck he's talking about cuts to what he's breaking down. Like do I if I was of women fighter on have Malky as my God him manager manager in case you saw a bus me, I'd have Lockhart fucking cutting weight. And again, we learn this through. It's a great platform. What Joe did given him that in just hand them out as I ride with this. I like this dude. Now. When before guys, misled by what the fuck lot or something like that, but here talk ios. Yeah, man, some guys, miss wait. People use people brag about how they've never had a weight. He goes, I wear that shit with honor because you know, I get these guys in. It's a fucking test, man, try and get them down. We try and sometimes they don't make in that. That's that's. That's real man. So that's how it goes. I'm a fan that won me over. Yeah, I did not like him before I saw a measure that, dude. I, I think differently now I'm a fan when he started talking. It sounded very, like almost going in bro science direction. And then he started giving like good information. Good information. Brian stand military dude was doing work for the military. You know, a lot of these nutritious is watching. You can call me Trish dietitians the guy, weight management coaches, you know, it's so new. It's almost like moving coaches, right? What your credential movement coach. I see what you're bringing the table man, you know, I got to see how you do it with these way, cutting coaches, it's it's tough man. Everyone has their own version, stuff like that and not very many can articulate especially with his background militant stuff like that. Again, I'm fan. But what are we talking about that? So j. Connor thirteen. Asking after hearing coach cavenaugh Connor talk about the fight. Do you think to a certain degree they knew they weren't going to win and they were fighting this fight with a rematch in mind because what he did say was we realized we didn't fight to win. We fought to not lose. Yeah. Again, I talked about how Connor having that swagger going into that octagon that ma- that starting camp and maybe just consi worked on wrestling and defending take downs and not getting taken down, taking down, getting back up one before you're working beat Conor McGregor. And so I don't think it's amount of them planning a rematch. I think it was just a matter of them kind of put too much focus on Khabib dozen. What Connor does. I don't think anyone ever goes in there ever ever to lose that. That's it. I man thank you for listening as usual, like send begin tickets for my special January nineteenth, San Diego. Cal. -fornia at speckles theater just went on sale, get them. Now that is one hour, comedy special for Showtime, it's the biggest honor in my life, biggest feather my hat. So you bet you ask, I'll be ready for this one that is in San Diego, California. This January nineteenth, two shows both on Saturday. A semi clock in ten o'clock show was tickets are going fast. It's the biggest venue of ever done this one's for you guys. You know, when you stuck by me from the very beginning who's been on this journey sits fighting men and to come to this, it's special because you guys, and that's where I get my energy drive from from you guys. So then you realize from the show come into any shows I've ever done for subscribing to this YouTube channel, your comments. You guys make this show happen. So I will see you guys in San Diego January nineteenth outside that this weekend, Thursday, Friday, Saturday in Salt Lake City, Utah at wise guys will my favorite. It clubs in America, Salt Lake City, Utah. This Thursday, Friday, Saturday. Then I will be part of the all things. Comedy festival tour. With our show. Fair, big j Bryant count the'll the first show sold out so there's the sanctuary might be out, go check, but that is Tober twenty seven. Now, after that, I'm in San Francisco cobs cobb's comedy club in San Francisco, November second, and November. Third after that, in Sacramento and the New York City New Mexico budgets coming up, I will see you guys in any of those cities, Utah this week. And yeah, I'll be around town then gets relisted love you guys next time on Brennan. Shaab I'm out.

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The Bachelorette Recap

Chicks in the Office

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The Bachelorette Recap

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Just sitting in wet clothes. It's already cold outside. And there's just nothing you could do. There's nothing there's just like I had layers on it was just through my sweatshirt my shirt, you know, when you get your sneakers wet, and then they saw they stay wet for like forever like my feet when I took my Segers off when I got home to my apartment, my feet were like still wet, stinky as well. I don't know. I didn't smell test. But I would assume maybe probably if you have wet socks and wet sneakers definitely stink. I was not miserable at feel day. I was just fighting with everybody in the whole time. So that'll be interesting. You guys watch that video when it comes out if you're interested. I don't know we are into besides this podcast, of course, where we have so much that we wanna share with. You today friend, the bachelorette back back back back. It is something. Okay. We were recaps back. Yeah. Recapture back. We were nervous about this season and the best of all. All we have a Hannity interview coming to you next week. So I I'm so excited. I'm so excited to talk to her. I'm so savor the season. I even just from the ABC knows how to get me even just from the promo for the season. I feel like Hannah is showing kind of more, like bad ass Syria side like no bullshit Hannah. And I go to enjoy it. I, I appreciate that. Fully the coming attractions. Always got me mad, because I'm like you're spoiling the show and I'm seeing the path, but they making you. It's so well and honestly, they're still times. I watch that we're shocked during the season. I guess it doesn't matter. But Fran we have so many great topics that we talked about on this podcast. So let's get into it. Okay. We got Zach Ephron and lily Collins, who, who have to be in love convinced there, they have to be less. We have Paris Hilton talking about Lindsay Lohan. On watch. What happens live, and Courtney Kardashian and John Mayer rumors? John Mayer cleared it up. Also on Andy Cohen. So Andy Cohen is the king, and he gets everybody to say anything, literally anything. It's amazing. We also have to recaps so game thrones. And the bachelorette two very different things. But here we are were just very diverse women. We very diverse interests us, the type of people we are we do both bachelor endgame, thrones. I gotta say my views on game of thrones are now, creeping into my view of the bachelorette, like I'm hoping people on the bachelorette, turn evil and kill people, because I'm forgetting, it's a real show. Right. With people real feelings. Yeah. Real life people go. It's not all made up like game of thrones. But either way we cover it all for you so friend, let's get into it starting off with Zaka Ron and lily Collins. In your. We keep trying to talk about. I'm so. Of the afternoon be of over that make you crazy over my, but it says the so. Says the Silva cut of. Zac, Efron, lily Collins are in love, and it's quite it's quite obvious after this glamour video that they put out. It's a friendship test. They did it with plenty other celebrities, but they would sack Ephron lily Collins and the music the backdrops actual tissue will tell you, when the two of them was literally raise Rawling on my body through the screen. I was watching the two of them and I was falling in love, because they did a friendship test, and, you know, you have to say nice things about each other Noah play the clip. And, you know, like the nicest thing, ice literally, the nicest things you can't say, nicer things about some would say about somebody if they were like describe your boyfriend or girlfriend, like what do you like about them? Yeah. That's the kind of answering, you would get if I was. I know it's I know it's obviously different because it somebody of the opposite sex. But if like we were doing the best friend says, I don't know if I could come up with the ni-, like the, the. The words vocabulary on these ran. I gotta be honest. If somebody asked us to come up with nice things about each other. I'd be like she's funny is like I don't think I would really give gap really dove in ain't doing opposite sex. Like say Noah say put me no on a thing like friendship test, like, say nice things about each other. I truthfully don't know. No is shaking his head. Like I don't really know you like. I would need like a date. Fucked up. No. But it's the jokes. But on. But when you look at it on the outside, it's like lily Collins Zach, Ephron may really just think we're really good friends. Like we are really good friends. They each other for a very lots of like they're probably thinking, we're great friends. We know each other for a long time. They don't look at each other in that way. But then when you see the, the chemistry in front of your face. It's hard not to say lily Collins Zack from belong together, and now they probably are watching the video like holy fuck. Maybe we are in love, if I saw that video of me, and one of my guy friends, I honestly with that kind of chemistry. Yeah. I think I'd have to say something one hundred which is why I mean like just don't even put anybody in that place in the first place like glamorize. He knew what they were doing. Yes, exactly. They've known each other for so long now I'm convinced that they well, there were rumors that they did date like. Like years ago, very briefly. They were like really young. I think it was like post Vanessa Hutchins era, but even if they didn't or date or whatever I after watching that video, I'm convinced they've hoped, I think that they may or may not have hooked up. Maybe it's one of those things that they haven't hooked up. And that's why the sexual tension is thinking about is so no, I pay guys. No. Because usually if I feel only years a pass, I feel like they hoped up when they were really young. And now it's like old friends and whatever it also could be the fact that they have been friends for so long. And they haven't hooked up that it's just been years and years, years of this chemistry building up at some point, they're gonna crack and bang each other. I don't know Zac front as a girl. Yeah. When I was young, I had a friend that I had hooked up with. And now we're like very, very close very happen. So it's like, and we're so comfortable with each other may. Maybe but it did have an when we were when we were young, whatever it could have with them. But when when you when those two were just staring into others, is I have no idea. How lily wasn't just like. Slickest all like us going for the kid, which it says your natural instinct. She looked at him and she was like your is getting bluer and he's so God. Damn highs reorders. Listen, if you're staring anybody in the is, is for a long period of time you could get lost in them on convinced that you could take like any attr- say, you have an attractive, male friend. He make him stare into your eyes for minutes. Like you're going to be like, well, he's getting high. It'd be like, oh, just gonna have natural is just primal gonna happen. But besides that lily Collins ACA are in love like it is so, so apparent so apparent they might not know it, but we could all see the chemistry like they belong. Together, we go even talk about their new movie because we haven't even and going back to the things that they were saying about each other, and then Zaka from was like. She lily the one thing that I really love about you. My favorite thing about you is that you love baking, and in my wife, I just need somebody who disliked bakes cookies, and he's talking about what he needs. She standing right in front of you. She stand. He was like you have such a great smile. No joke like watching a ten minute long romantic comedy was like four meets girl, their friends. They don't know what to do the tensions there. Will they won't they and then the video ended, and we were left with a cliffhanger? I that's how I feel about it. If lily Collins, Zac, Efron, don't get married. I'm gonna feel ri- those crazy kids got to give it a shot. Get shot. I don't care. I'm sorry, Zaka FRANZ girlfriend. But have you seen have a girlfriend right now? What do you mean remember? So true, the norm e swimmer your from Europe writing where yes, he can't be dating and I forgot about. So I forgot about her after watching Collins, like he must be exactly that's the thing like how is he supposed to act like he has raised hem is around with that girl? We haven't seen her anywhere. Yeah. There is no amount of chemistry that's going to compete with lily Collins Zaka from like that. No two beautiful people just staring like watching to beautiful people stare into others is the, you want them to hook up so bad. And I don't know of that's just like everybody's natural love of watching sex scenes in movies and stuff. But I was just like kiss kiss. I honestly like I gotta be honest ice started having feelings for both of them video, because I was you want. Yeah. Hypnotized by their pastor hypnotize. So check that video out if you have it because I can't believe that it's called the friendship test, actually crazy that they named the friendship and you haven't seen it go watch. And you'll know like you'll finish that video and absolutely one hundred percent agree with us. And if you don't I love to hear why because it's clear as clear is if you don't agree with us. Then tell us exactly why you don't and I'm ready to fight you on. You. Baby. Perez Hilton went on watch what happens live with Andy Cohen, and they played plead the fifth, and, of course Paris, did not hold back Paris Jan hold back. That's why I love Paris Hilton because she can tell you what you're doing wrong, and she's allowed to say it, and nobody's going to be like Paris Hilton mean they're just going to. Yeah. Created that brand for self and Andy Astor about Lindsay Lohan Astor, if she could say, three nice things, and her three nice things were that. She was so beyond, and then she's also lay bare, I love Paris. Hilton of power Sylvan mainly she is the original basic bitch para. Yeltsin is the original. But she's the best she's the best ever do it. She always will be. And when she just sits back, and she's like, Lehman embarrassing. I wish that I and her voice, and that voice is fantastic. And embarrassed. The thing with the thing is Lindsay Lohan was cool at one point Lindsay Lohan was a great accurate. The parent trap freaky Friday, confessions of teenage drama, Queen all the great movies. I'm probably missing some that people are going to get pissed balance. I can't believe me girls that's the one mean girls great movies. She was. Cool. At one point, then she was lame and embarrassing. Yeah. They and they had such like a friendship in the party girl seen. They were out all the time. And then, you know, Lindsey wen Kuku could chew and that was the end of that. Now she Lehman bear shot into Paris Hilton for keeping it together. All these years. She has Britney went coo-ca-choo. So did Lindsey Lowe hand Paris Hilton. Yeah. She stayed power Sultan, and I could see her. They wouldn't Nicole Richie to them. I could see Paris Hilton calling Lindsay Lehman embarrassing out with their friends back in the day, like Lindsey, stop. You're being lame and harassing like I just wish I had footage of this man. I feel like now I'm just it's going to be a go. Like what a what a what a insult that really cuts to your core. I'm and embarrassed. I'm gonna start calling people lame embarrassing if they get mad at me. I'm gonna be like, no I'm just I'm just imitating Paris Hilton. Yeah. I'm just it's just a quote. So you can't get mad at me for that. Exactly. Is she? She. She talked about having a possible fallout with Kim Kardashian. And whatever she was like, I think that was just like the media twisting things because she's in my new music video shameless plug friends asked and for her music video, asses hot. Yeah. It's like I need Paris Hilton to say something of mine is hot in life for me to feel accomplished. Paris Hilton you look me in the eyes and be like that bag is hot. Whatever it is what it is. It is tell me something as hot. How me something is hot happy life goal? Have Paris Hilton tell you that. Yeah, that's definitely big time life goal. And then she was also asked about Miley Cyrus, and if the rumors were true that they one time, made out in club, and she said, maybe, maybe she knows how to keep the people on their toes. She didn't she didn't deny it. She didn't say, yes. And she said, maybe a baby's totally Paris Hilton Miley. Cyrus making out is one hundred percents something that happens for sure. One hundred totally see it happening. Totally. Make out Paris and Paris DevOps. I mean, I would make our Miley, N Paris together. I mean, would you I totally understand what you're saying? Maybe not at the same time, but individually Paris Hilton Cyrus came up to me, and they're like, let's start making out with three of us almond. I imagine that story I made parents still tied just panic in the moment, really oh, one hundred God. No. I would be like Paris Hilton Miley Cyrus and RIA, have a making out session. Yeah, that's headlines. Yeah, yeah. Oh, it's it's headlines and honestly, something that I would be proud of. I would tell everybody I made out with both power Hilton, and Miley Cyrus, but it would be so funny because the headlines would just be like Paris Hilton Miley. Cyrus bake out with random Londe in club with random blog nor me in club. That would be so good. Yeah, it would be so good for us. It would really ragged about that. Nonstop, so my parcel thin. You've got your game game. Moving getting. Not the same. It seems to me. Kasuga. Can sing too? When life gets busy. Your nutrition can be the first thing to suffer. But it does not have to be sun basket. No matter your lifestyle. Sun basket caters to your kind of healthy with the listener plans like paleo, carb, conscious gluten free Mediterranean, diabetes friendly and feeding plus quick and easy. Recipes, you can enjoy a dinner full of organic produce and clean ingredients in as little as fifteen minutes. Plus a brand new carb conscious meal plan with thirty five grams or fewer net. Carbs per serving. 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And then from that it was Corning card. Ashington John Mayer are hooking up, according also went on Ellen Degeneres and Ellen played a game of like this guy or that they that with them. And yes. And she picked John Mayer every time. So it was feeding into those rumors. But everything leads back the Kris Jenner one hundred percent and Jami clear that, you know, Chris has a lot of power. She's the kind of person that you like you wanna be on her radar. You want her to know who you are? But you don't want to be so much on her radar because she can take you down, like he realizes the amount of power that she has. She has the power to ruin your career. Kris Jenner has the power to ruin anybody on this earth. Yes. And she just has probably, you know, her little. In Jons little birds. What whoever she sends the tabloids who start things, and they're like, like whispering birds chirping. Quitting, John Cornyn. John. Yeah. What do you think what I just planning it so strategically? Do you think that Kris Jenner has people that work for her that she knows are snakes, so that certain things do get out, and she talks about things on purpose in front of them? So shake it out. I feel like that would be a smart move for sure. I feel like they do I they probably do the same thing as the royals, the royals would acts. This is so not at factual, this is so not a fact. This is something from the will and Kate lifetime. Real. It's not real. I always think. Royal and the willan Kanai time movie, it comes from a real story like that one time principal told the story, but I actually have no idea never fact, checked himself, just. No. He says it in the movie. All right. At with his friends, he would tell all of his friends like one crazy weird story like if he met a new person, you would say random story, and he would only tell it to that person. And if that Perstorp's came out in the news and the tabloids, he knew that, that person was was a leaking stories that is great. I start doing that to people like he would just like crazy like stupid fake fat. And if it came out to be like, well, listen, you're out, if I don't, if I don't trout. Yes, I would also like to clarify this is from the willing lifetime came. It could be a real story. It could not. But, but I like it. Either way it's smart either. I'm very Irie about, like I'm always like can't. Trust that person. But I also I also like love talking to people so. Right. My big problems. I like I'm always like you can't trust that person. But I also love talking at the same time, I'm gonna start throwing out fake stories to people and see what comes back around. Right. I'm gonna start testing Dustin. And I feel like that's definitely in Kris jenner's play, right? Like, when once you high like if you're hiring new people, and she's bringing new people into their circle to just say something crazy. And if it ends up in us, weekly and three days, you know, that blur no needs to be done. You're over with I love that move. And I think it's a move we should start doing friends. Yes. Start testing people in the office. See who the real sings starts? Yeah. Yeah, yeah. The often we'll make up a rumor, honestly, I'll make up a rumor about you. And then we'll see if it comes comes back around. Yeah, I've met with that people. Gossip in here, so like, like crazy. So if it's if I have your permission, I'm going. Make up a rumor about okay that's fine. All right. Fair I haven't thought about it yet but. Okay. Good. And then we'll follow up with everybody rate. But John Mayer also clarify, that he like there was never even any kind of relationship with Courtney crash and not how there was absolutely nothing. They also said he's like post his dating celeb- life. Like he thinks he's done dating other slept. He always says that he, I think John Mayer has no idea what he wants. I know you know, John Mayer, the most non close, not John Mayer, but I haven't, but I think he's scared of like going back in the media and everyone. He's made it a monster last time. So you're right. He's terrified of the media. He says it every time on the instrument. This is gonna be in the news. And you, you could tell he says it with a like a like he's joking but really in the back of his mind he's scared of it. So I don't know. I bet that he wouldn't date somebody as high profile as Gordon crashing a one hundred percent he would date some. He like has David yet. I gotcha. I Gotcha annoy me, nor me Cassie David not enormous but he's not she's at one hundred percent now not at all. But closer, the Gordon Kardashian. Yeah, I'm not a fucking Kardashian, but card after eating Kardashian is not even like dating a celebrity a whole different level. Your dating Alleyen yet, it's a whole different level of, of breach of privacy. This week. We had the fifth episode of the final season of game of thrones. The end is almost near I'm almost. I'm sad. It's ending. But I'm almost happy. It's ending because A I honestly can't take everybody talking about it anymore. Yeah. It's. Game of thrones. Twitter has become a very hot topic. And I honestly think game of thrones Twitter is ruining the show more than the shows ruining the show. I l people, let's say the show's ruining itself will give it throws Twitter's ruining. I agree with that, completely, I think that people are diving way too deep into this fake show. Yeah, it's fake. Everything's fake. Everybody is diving into it a little too much. And I think you're right. I think that game of thrones Twitter is ruining the show because they're pointing out things that I wouldn't even realize right. You know, like they're like the people that are naive like us. Yeah. You know, sometimes we don't catch things. But yet game of thrones Twitter's catching everything. And then I get mad. There's times that I like it, and there's times that I immediately go and it just it's become such a gigantic thing that it's like I, I watch the show with other people, and I don't even immediately interact with them. When the show ends talk about episode immediately on my phone seeing what other people are saying about I'm like, why do I care what other people about it? I had the same problem last night. I watched with a few people and afterwards, we didn't speak. We all just win and our phones and I felt weird about it now. So we feel so weird right now. Oh, maybe because I haven't spoken in the last hour and a half. And now I'm just looking at my phone. Meanwhile, there's people are just reading about people out game throats. I gotta say, I took a pretty big LS night just from going from the Sixers game into thrones. And then just being like a sad, sad human and gin. All the Sixers law. Well, yes. Sixers but why were you sad? Because the game throats. Oh, no, no. I wasn't. I would. That's what I was saying. Wasn't really sad about game of thrones. I enjoyed the episode. I've really haven't ha-. I haven't finished an episode where I hated that. But I it's because of going immediately on Twitter, and then getting myself upset. That's I agree. Like when last night's episode ended. I was happy with the episode. I felt the episode was very strong. I couldn't breathe the entire time I through throughout the episode thought I was going to have to stop and say, I got to go to the hospital. I catch my breath yet. That's how bad it was. At one point. But then afterwards when I go online wasn't that good immi-, exaggerating? But we have to stop thinking that way, we need to go with our initial thoughts. So I'm gonna talk about my initial reactions before. I went online and read whatever else was thinking from the beginning. We knew that Danny was turning into the mad Queen you could see the evil crazy bitch, and her eyes last episode and then it fully comes out this episode when she realizes that everybody betrayed her. John warned her and said, I, you know, I have to tell them, and she said, you can't tell sonza you can't tell are you can't tell anybody this is between me and you. John didn't follow that. Yob Asli told them sonza, then toll Tyrian Tyrian than Wintel various and then the it just continued. And from there, they betrayed her. So the fact that she went mad. I don't blame her. I don't blame her for going that I get it like, obviously, you know, just straight up killing people in the blink of an eye shows, you have no mercy. But I get it. It makes sense is just everyone. And it's like everyone was so mad that, that was the direction that the writers decided to take her character in, you know, like it was like that her character deserved more. But like the does not archaic ter-. We didn't write this carry out. They can decide what to do with care, also love it or hate it. But it's not like she. Deserved this fantastic ending. She's been building up to this moment for a long time. I feel like it's not even just the season. It's past seasons. There's endless examples of the crazy showing and having people around her to stifle it. But now all the people around her portrayed or are dead. Yes. Exactly. So she's going crazy. The people that are acting like this came out of nowhere clearly haven't been following the show. Dad was the mad king. Obviously, she has it in her blood. She's a product of incest, by the way. Yeah. So she's going to go crazy. I don't think it's I don't think it's weird at all. That, that's the the way they went with her character. I don't get why people think that I mean, she's a made up character. What do you mean? She deserves better. Right. Like that. Who she is actually she doesn't deserve anything. She's the mad Queen now. So there's no. And they said the same thing with Jamie, Jamie deserved better than to run back to search. Like no Jamie was a freak who loved banging his sister. That's. Just his heart the entire time. Jamie has banked sister. They had plenty of children together. Why is anybody acting like Jamie deserve to have a better ending? Yeah. Jamie was a sister banger. And that's what it comes down to the all. They all get closer thrown. And then they go nuts. I feel like that's it just a theme. Right. It's happened to almost every character. It's gotten close. They, they lose it. They go crazy. They start killing people. I feel like that's almost just. Symbol of how the aren't thrown makes you absolute your mind your sensible mind, you lose it. When you're striving for the iron throne, you lose all sense of yourself. That's what happened. She was toes. And even when she took out various, she was just like SIA Audra cars. So it was just so like, Djuric are the way that she said it ever. So calmly gave me chills like aspire to have that amount of confidence and poise that she had when she just looked at him said to cars, that's it. That's it. She didn't scream it. She just set it so calmly. Let the dragon just fire him off. I personally love that car. It was almost like a whisper GR's, that's it. And I, I actually loved it. I this episode had everything that I wanted obviously surveys, dead now, which is the, you know, one of the complaints that I would say how about this episode was, yes. I'm happy. They killed Sirsi. That's great. We all like you've been watching the show, you want her to die. I hope unless you're on the other side of it where you've been rooting for her. And that's crazy. But we wanted her to die, but we wanted to see sir c Daiei slow painful death, like get her throat slit, I wanted to see her get her head off her head lying on the ground with blood pouring. What a love to see that. But we just saw the building collapsing on her with Jamie, in kind of a vulnerable moment. Which people didn't like to see that from, sir. See because, you know, she's this powerful bad person. She knows how to manipulate people, but every person. Who is a powerful figure like that. They're some sort of insecurity on the inside, that's going to come out eventually and they're gonna crack. And that's what happened with Sarah, so she was crying. Jamie's arms like I don't wanna die. I don't wanna die. So in the end, she was just a scared as everybody else. Right. And they went with, like the very poetic, Justice of the red keep falling on top of her. She said, multiple times that, you know, the red keep would it fall would've Falwell fell in fell directly on top of you. Now you're dead, right? Would we've liked to see something a little more gory perhaps, but definitely Tommy ups for sure. Tommy smokes actually blog about this episode, I enjoy the blog because he's defending defending the episode musical, sir sees one of the most hated television characters what better way for her to go out and everybody hate the way she dies. Yeah, I get that. Because everybody is hating the way that she died. But we couldn't even get a moment like yes, we'd love the way she died. We hated the way she everything about her, but I really would have loved to see her head. Get chopped off like we saw net stark at his head chopped off. We cat get her head chopped off. We saw a basically all of the Starks. Get their heads chopped off. But we couldn't see sir see die painful death like Joffrey and Ramsey. All of them, right? Actually got to see them die with her. It was kind of, like boom falls on her. Maybe they wanted to throw something else into the mix since just everybody was just getting absolutely visually slaughtered, like visually. It was so gory. Right. And just blood and guts. I love reigns and head squashing. But it's been worse than it was in that position like it has been, we've seen worse than than they gave us. But I did love all of visually. I think it was so good. I think separately. Yes. But I don't think we've seen it all together. Like in one episode. I mean battle the bastards can't, but what throw like the mountain into the mix and every like I just feel like blind. I think. I think battled bastards probably the most. But I guess this one had, you're right. This one had everything we had the hound in the mountains like children. Yeah. We had we had the hound in the mountain. Finally, this is my favorite. I was favorite part of the episode battle it out. I felt as if when it was happening kind of, knew where they were going with it. They, you know, because they both couldn't kill each other. It was like a back and forth, constantly the mountain hard motherfucker to kill a really high on straight up. He's, he's very hard to kill. And then the, the hounds tackles him into the fire the perfect way to send them off. Yeah. Was it was beautiful, and that they had to go down together in order for either one of them to die. The mountain squishing just hearing a Carver's head or whatever the fuck. That's Weasley guy is against the you know, love that took him you may like he made him like that. Like he made the mound like that. And he was like, well, I literally do not give a fuck about you anymore. Like the city is falling you can die now. Yeah. I loved it. I love that part. We also got to talk about our girl aria who somehow survived this episode. People are saying it's plot armor, obviously was written that she survives because realistically, she would not have survived. This is real life. We're talking she wouldn't have survived that. But that's the beauty of the TV show is that she did survive it, making her the baddest bitch of the Senate, seven kingdom. She gets through everything makes out alive on this one, and then there's the white horse at the end which symbolizes something people are trying to explain it all over the internet. We're dive into the bible. Yeah, we're getting to the bible. Now. I'm just. Gonna wait and see what happens next week because I can't tell you what that horse meat thought it was brand. Yes. Brand. Some people think it's death writing on a pale horse, whatever that means. I don't know it's going to mean something next episode. I hope so because we are getting Jack shit from brand, and there's one episode left and I'm going to need some something from brands thing I didn't sit and while brand sitting wheelchair all up for no reason, you have to give us. So that's the only thing that I think will legitimately make me mad. There hasn't been a lot. But if that if, if this show ends, and there's just nothing like he's just plays no role whatsoever. We get no explanation that's really gonna piss. They can't be that dumb, if the writers are dumb enough to not include brand in the ending. Then we have a problem, but I don't think they're going to be that. I think that now everybody's going to be against Danny. Because the bell rang she was supposed to stop. She wasn't supposed to kill anymore people. She said fuck this, I'm killing everybody. She went nuts. She just that dragon or the dryer king's landing, and killed everybody. She was just trying to kill everybody. And, and there was a lot of conversation about the dragons will how come they were able to take out a dragon last week. And she's just fucks up all the weapons this week. I think she was just totally taken by surprise last week. And now she went in with this past episode with some kind of an idea of how they work and seeing them, work and realizing how slow they are like you shoot a shot. But it takes a while to reload, obviously that makes very vulnerable. She exploited that wipes out the iron fleet and this the same thing with the plot protection. Whatever I was so. Oh, psyched to see. You're on go up in flames and to see that guy climb onto the beach like you've gotta be fucking kidding me. Nobody from the iron flea is alive. Except for your on climbing onto the beach just at the perfect time to kill Jaime. When that fucking pirate came out of the white, I it's honestly becoming a problem that Sean Leith. I'm in him. Localized so much when I Don Lee Holly, so in the office, I'm like fuck you Shaw but meanwhile he's he's not him. But I can't separate the two. I'm having a hard time separating. You're on and Sean Lee them, he pisses me off, and this motherfucker comes out of the water like nothing happened like heating, get shot in the face. With dragon fire like his stupid face. He might piss me off the most out of everybody on the show and then him and Jamie, going back and forth. They're having this battle, Jamie gets stabbed. So we'll time multiple times. You're on get stabbed once and dies, Jamie. Get stabbed multiple times and walks off, like. Immune to getting Zaib that come out also bothered me. And after the first stab I thought Jamie was going down. And that, that if you're like I Gotcha. And set out loud, if you're on just killed Jamie, I'm confused so mad like if that's how Jamie lesser dies by getting stabbed by your on. So, so angry, clearly, you're on is a bad kit. Like, maybe he's just a bad with the sort missed all the vital organs multiple. I, I don't know how jamey made it through. I mean he was going to die anyway. So I guess they wanted him to die with certainty feel like they could have eliminated dabbing Dakhli. They could've eliminated at least one of the stabbings, and they could have had your on and Jamie, like fight in front of, sir. See, so that it would have been more realistic for Jamie to die with sir because he wouldn't have had to travel, you know, he had to walk all of that way. How did he do? It could have been more of like a battle for the baby. Right. But whose baby whatever he made it through your on space. When he's like, I'm the man who killed, Jamie Lancaster. Out if I wanted to puke on my TV screen actually, gave me nightmares. I relieve nightmare. He like that character did not deserve a last line. No, he should have just gone up in flames with the iron fleet. And that would that would have been it. I thought he was gone. I was like Bamut on piece by your on. We don't I don't feel you're on deserved a proper goodbye. Like we shouldn't hundred percent. He already got to kill one of the dragons, now we're going to give we're giving him. Goodbye. Get out of your gross. He's like I sucked the clean. You're gross, you're gross. But now next week obviously season finale there's nothing left after next week, which is the craziest part about it to me. Because each week, we're like you know, there's more there's more this more. Yeah. Well, this is going to be we're going to have to accept it kit Harrington. He said it was disappointing would doesn't make anybody excited for the end of the show. I think somebody's going to have to Danny. I think I think it's written in the stars. I think that deniro's dead, John, I think that what's going to happen is Danny is going to try and kill San's now because she mentioned, your sister, betrayed me, and obviously, she killed various who portrayed her. I think she's going to go kill sounds and John's going to have to stop Danny from killing sonza, and then try and kill her or Oreo is going to try is gonna have to kill her either way. I think she's dead. But let's see some let's see her head. Get shopped off like it. We need to. Danny, danny? We're going to need to see a brutal death from Danny probably have to. I don't wouldn't see them going soft at this point. No. When it comes to tar Garin death, but it's, it's, it's crazy. Because like you said it is ending. Danny, and John had a moment in this past episode also that he thought, maybe there would be a sliver of hope for her. Which, which is interesting because it's like classic that of all shows a game of thrones, which has been always been very relationship based but having John kind of reject her. Being the last straw here was crazy. It was she Dan, you just want a little sex, and John was like absolute like, no, he, he kind of backed off and the rejection. She couldn't take the rejection any longer. So she snapped. I think I don't think that it's that I think it makes sense. I think she was like this person's dead this person betrayed me. And now the guy that I love he now, he betrayed me. And now he won't have sex with me. He wants nothing to do with me. Like what do I have to live for? She's like I don't like the people of winter feller not mine. My people are gone. What does she have? She's like fuck this. I'm queen. I'm taking over killing I don't think she's going to win in the end. I think it's going to be a win for the Starks. They'll come out on top, and I think she's dead. There was a moment though. I forgot to mention when aria and the hound I thought they were gonna die at the same time last episode. I would have needed extensive therapy for that. They died at the same time now that would have been something. The fact that are still alive, something has to happen with her. There is no reason for her to read, roaming around battle. If if she's not as an have a purpose in the last in the last episode your and say, and Tyrian and Jamie, had a very nice could buy thousand other between that total opposite on the spectrum here between that which was like a nice moment and the hound in the mount. But. That was it was a nice ending their relationship. I felt like once that happened. I was like, all right. One of these guys is definitely dying. This episode how dumb is Tyrian though we didn't talk about how dumb tina's Tyrian really thought that he was gonna free Jamie Jamie wasn't going to go to see. He oh at the beginning like from the beginning. I mean Tyrian is the one who free, Jamie? Yes. SS Tyrian really thought when he was letting Jamie go there that he was going to actually go run off and nocco back to surf like, how go back to surf daddy. No, I'm saying Tyrian he was telling teary and he wasn't gonna go do that. Like how dumb is Tyrian to think he wasn't gonna go do that. Like Tyrian actually believe Jamie wasn't going to go back to Sara sake. Right. Well, Tyrian wanted him to go back to search term was go get go. Get her go ring the bell, and then get on the boat and go have your life with your baby. Okay. Okay. See, that's what I was confused about. But I still don't like how dumber you for doing that. Yeah. Like you. Yeah. I think it's just like that was his last effort to try and save life. I to try and get them to surrender. I think he hoped that if they did surrender deniro would would pull back. But why would he ever think that Danny would be like, oh, yes, Tyrian? I'm so happy that you freed your brother to go run off with sir c and that she still alive has not seen a pattern here that was dumb of Tyrian very right? And I guess, maybe it was like a. Now problem. Let's, let's go after seeing Jamie later. Let's save all these people now at this point doesn't even matter because they're both dead like Derek Zanny will know on the little one. She goes back and he sees not there. He's dead. So it doesn't even matter. Yeah. But there and there's been people in this is why game of thrones Twitter also has been so crazy because everybody freaks out on like little things, yet the coffee Cup. And now Jamie had a moment where his literal last moments hugging. Sir c and you could see, like they didn't keep his fake, our hand on. You could see his real hand. It was like, really? Yeah. It's one of those things that I say it just makes it rushed. Yeah. Heels, rush it feels rush, but I also wouldn't have noticed that if I didn't look on Twitter. Yeah. Oh, I didn't notice watching the thing. I didn't notice it. And then you see it. And you're like, oh man. They rushed it. But I kind of think that. It. It's being put in people's heads. You know, when you read something enough, you start to believe it. I think it's being put into people's heads that this is bad season. Bad writing and whatnot. But I think that if I was just watching the season straight through, like I did with the other seasons, I would have been, I would have been like this is how the show went, this is how they wrote the show because looking back on past seasons. I'm not watching them being like well, I wish they did this with that character. Right. Is what it is. What happened happened is it is the this season is so different from the rest, but I'm not gonna sit here and say it's it's bad, right? It's not a bad season. It's just what they decided to do with it, right. Which people don't people don't let some people don't like it. You say it's bad, all of it is very opinionated. Like you could think it's bad and you could love it. But everything comes from your personal interests of the show. Right. So whatever you like to see from the show is where you're going to stand on it because Visu. Really, it was insensate leg insane episode of their television. Directing the visuals and everything about it like, oh, it was good. It was one of the best made TV show episodes strictly from the directing. And the and the visuals, one have you ever watched a TV show that look that way. That's a movie that looked like a movie. So I give them credit like people are saying it's rushed and whatnot. Like, how do you create such a visually stunning episode and have it be rush? I think we're the rushing comes in is when it comes to the writing, because realistically, there really wasn't a lot of dialogue in last night's episode. Yeah, it's and it is, it's it is a little disappointing to hear that HBO offered them, two more episodes, and they were like, now we're good with they offer ten. They were like do ten. They said, no, that's, that's crazy. That's kind of crazy to me just like that. Maybe they don't really have anybody in their corner, giving them critiques. I feel like they're so worshipped that whatever they produced. Maybe nobody asked any questions. I I mean I don't know about that. A lot of people that here's my problem. A lot of people trashed the writers and whatnot. But like you try and write a better ending everybody acts like they would write the best show on earth. Yeah. Yeah. They are the people who wrote the show or obviously, came from somewhere else. I but like you everybody thinks that they could be your better writer. They're the writers of the show is let them write the show, that's where my problem comes in, like, don't say that their trash writers and this, not the other thing when you're not a writer. Yeah. It's, it's hard. Because they I mean, the k- there was so much inspiration for them to work off of what books and them they didn't have the books to work off of an exam. And then that's when things took a turn. Yeah, but I do think they should have. I don't understand why they didn't mention from Dr Martin. Yeah, I don't understand why they didn't take the extra episodes in create more because they could have created a longer story. They just didn't want to do that. But when people call them trash writers in this, that the other thing, like, no, they're not the have one of the best TV shows in ever. Yeah. Oh, it's, it's so hard. It's just anytime you take something that originated as a book, and you put it film make it visual. And you have the books and you stick to the books and everybody's always happy about that. But if the books end or if you stray from the books. And you try and keep it going. It's always going to make people upset. Always that's why the classic argument of like, oh, was the book better than the movie like happens all the time, because you're never going to get a perfect translation from book to, to move your TV show or whatever, especially when the books aren't even done. It's not the writers faults that the books aren't done right. Dr Martin's just he's it hasn't finished. He slacked he didn't finish the books. That's his fault. He finished it. He could have written the ending. Everyone's like, I can't wait for his ending like know, maybe it could have written that ending years ago then because this was their ending their ending came out first, and that's that I would assume that he would have something similar, because it would be so insane for them to end the show pre book pre books and then having the storyline wrap up in the books and just be completely different what the TV show did. But we'll see if he'll ever if. Even if even ever finish. Yeah. I mean at this point, why even finish it at the show is going to and yeah, you know, people read your books, but it's kind of weird to have two different endings to the same characters. I don't really want that to be honest. I'm sure the people who are reading the books are read the books want that, but I personally don't. One of your different end base because his ending in the book is better. But, like why didn't they do it in the TV show? Yeah. Yeah. So yet it we'll see next week as the finale, not this is in this is it. We were wiping our hands clean of game of thrones. Whatever happens happens the way it ends, it will end, and it will fade, and it's a TV show. So we'll get through it, but we might need some therapy after. Yeah. Especially for some in the office. Yeah. People might like there. There might need to be like a group media. Yeah, we're gonna come in next month. Just be ready in one of the view, ready. Just to talk to everybody just about the ending throw exactly. Though. Shit. Lisa knows how important is to a better life. Lisa is the foundation of a healthier better. You all Lisa products have been thoroughly designed to go beyond creating a comfortable bed and to transform your veteran into a sanctuary, you want to spend time in Lisa's. Most popular multi-layer foam mattress is made with premium phones for cooling, contouring and pressure relieving support. 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Premiere was on Monday night Hannah be were interviewing her tomorrow. It's going to be fantastic. But the season premiere was Monday night, and, you know, the first episode how it goes, it's two hours of just getting introduced to the guy. Right. And there's a lot. I always loved the intro the intros I love, but it's hard to keep up with for me move. I again they move fast. And I can't tell you anybody's names besides the people. I hate. Okay. That's fine. A we'll go through all the guys. And I'll remind you who everybody. Okay, perfect now I feel like I just have like I have a just a. Database like in my head now. Right. Because I contest after we went through the contestant bios. Yeah. You know, their names and their bios but not what they look like. Yeah. I didn't know really who they were. And then when they come on the screen, Mike. Yeah. I every bachelor and bachelorette introduction is so cheesy to me that I hate them all at first, because the introductions are so cheesy. Yeah, I actually have to say, I was pretty impressed by most of these guys, a lot of them were just pretty basic it like they just came in, and we're like, so happy, it's you really excited, blah, blah, blah. And then went inside, there, wasn't that many crazy jokes are puns. Or I mean there were they, they had them, but it wasn't like every single person. But we started off with Hannah finding out, she was the bachelor bachelorette we've seen that clip before. Chris Harrison calls are up. She's so happy. She heads to the mansion. She's ready to go night one. I thought it was actually very funny. She said that. Like I hope this guy can look. I hope I find a guy who can handle me because a lot. Yeah, I, I like that because it was honest. And I think that's how my one problem is. That's how every girl is everyone's like, oh, I'm so much like I'm so hard to deal with, you know, like I feel like there's a law girls that don't think that really think that they're like, just a walk in a park, really. I always feel like on social media. Nowadays, girls are always like, oh my God. I'm so psycho. I'm so hard to deal with, like all the time nobody's ever just like, well, I don't know. I guess maybe you see everybody the same. I'm saying maybe in real life, like instead of, like, oh, like a social media. Like hi. So. In quirky lane. Real life. We're on a date. I'd be like I'm super easy exac, I'm not gonna look you in the eye in real life. Right. Say go on a first date? And you tell the guy like, oh my God, I'm so easy going go with the flow. Like you're not like I'm crazy. Yeah. Yeah. But on on social media you're saying, oh, I'm crazy bit. Yeah. There's two different Sonus. So I do get it had to be was quite honest. She was like, I'm a lot to handle, which we've seen we've seen from Annabi. She is a lot to handle. She's got the, you know, like she's a little weird, but she's fun. And I saw how to be I saw side of Hannah be that I didn't expect to see. And I think it's going to be a good season. Yeah. I I'm not just saying that because we're interviewing her my opinion has changed since night, one, I agree. And I it's so much. It's so different one. Your put in that bachelor bachelorette role at it just becomes your show. You become less of a character that. Production can kinda manipulate you know, they, they want to showcase you. So now they're doing that Hannah, and they're obviously, it makes her look the best that she can fresh out of the limo. Let I feel we should just go down the list, I was just like we did with the bios, but let's go through there and since the first guy out of the limo was Garrett Garrett is the golf pro from Birmingham, Alabama super cute. Like I thought he was way cuter on the screen. Then he is in his picture, which I think happens with a lot of them even the Earls on the bachelor totally there. The bachelor bachelorette headshots are notoriously bad. Yeah. They never nobody really has an amazing headshot. So obviously, he's a golf pro head like a hole in one joke. Right to go fine. A lead a pass whatever line. Then that you're 'cause you're the goals that I he's there so much. I feel like there's definitely going to be a lot in common for these two souls. Dude avas. But we didn't really get to see a lot of him because he just didn't get a lot of air, and he is from Alabama, so yeah, that's a big factor. Mike was next Mike has one of the best miles. He had a video package where he had to go say goodbye his great. Get his great grandmother before he went on the show, super cute soon, like seeing a guy love his grandma not only grou- great-grandma, and that's how you real in the viewers. That's how you get bachelor nation behind you. You put a great grandma on the screen. You put a gram on the screen. You put your mom on the screen. Yep. People love moms and grandmas, and that's what they're going to get attached to and they're gonna tear up. They're gonna feel motion for you. And they're gonna say, Aw. Isn't it so sweet that he said goodbye? It was great grandmother. Because realistically, let's be honest, who's going out of their way to say goodbye to their great grandma, like grandma. Yes. Gr. Great, grandma look, I, I don't wanna take an in this direction, but your great grandma's probably pretty old. You don't know how long you're going to be on the show. You probably want to say goodbye. Justin. I didn't I didn't think of it like that, but you're right there. So, right. Great grandma's pretty great. When you say the name, great, grandma. You're picturing, like a ninety loss your old woman. Yes, I may not meet a case, but that's what you're picturing, my great grandmother could be fantastic health. But, you know, just cover all the bases, make sure you say goodbye, before you leave where you cannot be in contact with your family. You're right. That's a great point just in case just in case. Okay. Jed was up. Next jed. I just I just hate the name jet. Sorry, sorry if you're listening. Your name is jed. I hate the name. Yeah, I don't really like stupid name just named Jeff. He just looks like a jed, too. And he his twenty he's twenty five. He's a singer songwriter. We talked about him, and we set up before I'm weary of the singer, songwriters just because I feel like they're on for fame. What are we get? I chance he's alone with Hannah he singing a song there. There was just bar too much singing, and dancing. Yeah. But I don't hate using your talents. Right. To win you a spot on the ship. You have to stick around somehow it's the first night, it's a first impression. You have to make a first impression if you come in there and you don't do anything, you know you're being tossed you're being tossed. He comes in singing. There's a little something there. Yeah. And any was good play the guitar wrote handle song. It was good. Very charming. I think. It's very easy to fall for that. You have a guy sing song about you and your swoon. Yeah. Yeah, you're right. Anybody sits in front of you and says, hey, wrote the song about, you know it works in my recap blog. I tried to find every guys Instagram. So everybody could stock jed has a private Instagram. However, he does have his latest single linked in his bio in case, anybody also. Oh, thank you and telling in his Spotify like he's got, you know, look them up on Spotify and his bio honest. And so are you like now promoting jed? Think about that. You know something about that. The guy's got a providence Graham. But he makes sure that he's, you know, he's, he's, they could all be linked together ends up on the show. Maybe a single takes off. It's a win win for him. Right. Not right. Who's next? Tyler see Tyler see is causing a stir among you and Kelly geeks. And I. Tyler see really just me. I mean Keith like Connor. Oh, congress congress. Okay. You're, you're Lovin. Tyler see. I like Tyler see a lot. He also has a private Instagram, but it's worth looking at because his his model headshot profile photo. He's a general contractor and he danced in his video package around his construction site, very goofy, like footloose ascpa bad. Yeah. And it was weird because I don't know if it was just based on the fact that I think he's super cute, and that's why it's going to make your far because he really didn't make a great first oppression. He was either very drunk or just very nervous. He talked and stumbled over his words like meeting in and I was like, oh, no. You're, you're totally messing it up. But he's just so cute that I feel like Hannah wasn't going to send him home night. One. Exactly. When you have the cuteness when you fuck up with your words. You scape by which is why I think he obviously made it through night one. I think that as time comes on we'll see a little more from him. And maybe he won't be whatever it was happening with him. The cuteness will shine definitely. Well, we'll get to it at the end. But when you see, like the season upcoming on this season there was a lot of clips of him. So I feel like he's sticking around for a while. I have a huge problem with the upcoming coming. We'll, we'll talk about it. Well, that's about the I have a huge problem with it. We'll get to it. All right. The next guy is Dylan Dylan twenty four years old tech entrepreneur, sweet opening, which just like you're so pretty can't wait to talk to you. However, the Jackie war knock good. He looked like maitre d'. I'll give you a quick turns, you can do have reminder, the white jacket with the with the black bowtie. You look like you're the, the mayor de at a very nice restaurant. Agreed. I don't think that's often not aware to make a first impression. But once again, it does make a first impression. Yeah. You know, the white sand the white jacket guy. Yeah. You're the one who showed up looking like you were a waiter at an event liked. But fair makes you stand out. Okay. Then we have congress who, honestly, if Kelly key, kinks, slide into his DMZ by the end of the season. I'll be I I'll be shocked if you don't the both of you. He's hands Fred. No, I'm kidding. I love it. I love that. You guys are all about congress. I am not as indicator SS you guys. Yeah. But that's fine is very man Kelly keys type. Yeah. He is just. Tall. You have the same type works in finance. Yeah. You guys you guys have the same. He's, he's also very close in age twenty four. He met Hannah during the final rose, so she had already known him key jumped the fence for Hannah. You cannot shake your head and it's so funny. And I it must just be 'cause I think Conor so cute. I was like, oh, cute. See this is the thing. It's I get it. Yeah. Joke. A jump offense for you. But can we stop with the fence jumping? Let's stop with the fence jumping. We heard in the conversation that thing is, like, we heard it way too much during a call Connor season. During Colton season that I can't hear about fences any longer we were months months, we're talking about this damn fence and our back to talking about the fence enough with the fences with the fed. I'm just gonna throw in there that he jumped that fence swimmingly was very smooth jump. And it was like the gate, you know, the, the mansion gate jump right over it. No. Big deal for us. I am I am. And for no particular reason whatsoever. You should check out his Instagram. Okay for no particular reason. I will check out he may or may not have some shirtless photos. Oh, I've seen him. Yeah. I said it to you. We can't sit here and act like you're not sending me these pictures and yeah, he looks great swimmer p does he looks like he was a college athlete. And I think he was a college swimmer actress. He was a called swimmer that nailed it on the head Prouty was I, I want, I forget, I to definitely talked about it. It was in its in his ABC, Bobby look it up now. Because now I need it. We'll do a quick look Connor Connor as was a college swimmers swimmer you only five bucks. I go you five bucks because we already talked about it bio. I definitely mentioned it out loud. I'm just trying to make a quick buck. He swam competitor. So yes, you're inkling swim in college was because last week, I read out loud that he swim in college, I'm like hue must be a swimmer. Guy looks just like a college swimmer wealth bunny, say that we talked about last week. Isn't that crazy how your brain works like some things getting sept- it into your brain? And I genuinely was like I think he looks like a swimmer but really you told me it was last correct. All right. Moving swimmer. Devon Devon, the twenty seven year old talent manager, who is the one. That's is friends with wills yes, he made a virgin joke that, that one didn't land for me. Get up there and was like something to tell you actually virgin. Just kidding. I'm out version, and she was like, oh, okay, this is the bad job as soon as that comes out of his mouth. Get him off the show. Because if that guy is swinging those bad jokes around the first night, imagine how many more bad jokes sky has up his sleeve every five seconds. He's going to be like hob doing this just kidding. He's, he's a very big just kidding guy. Yeah. I'm just kidding girl. Like I I'm very much just kidding girl. But this guy with the virgin joke right out the gates. No. Yeah. Big. No, for me. I also was not a fan of his time, just going to say that I didn't really take notice to his ties tie was was a bad pattern Abacha. Explain the tie. It was people listening and myself. It wasn't remember. I'm trying to explain it in the best way that I can. Was like apes were on it geometric, but there was fading shapes and it was like pink and purple. And this video is playing if you can kind of see it. I'll play it from the beginning take a look of him walking up. You can't really tell the colors, but it was just an ugly tie. That's an ugly ugly tie. I agree. It's an ugly. Ugly. All right. Moving on, for doesn't matter guy looks like it was an ugly. Yep. John Paul Jones came up next, listen. I we don't even have to introduce John, Paul Jones. Because I'm pretty sure everybody knows John. Paul Jones, John Paul. Jones is my enemy. I hate John, Paul Jones. He could be the nicest guy on earth. He could be like I'm saving the world on curing cancer. I'm I'm saving everybody on this tire planet. No, no. I hate John, Paul Jones. My biggest problem with John, Paul Jones. Is that the skirl that I used to go to high school with posted John Paul Jones on her story, because he went to Catholic you. And she was like, oh my God. Our savior, John, Paul Jones. What I wonder if I had any DC run-ins with John, Paul Jones, we're the same age. He he I've met so many versions of John Paul about, but so many, I meant so many virgins Gore's version. No, I'm saying what am I say, version versus so many virgins, so many versions of John, Paul Jones like the long blonde hair from Maryland. Whatever humble brag comes in not, not a brag. I'm just saying there's so many of these people in this area. John, Paul Jones, introduced himself as John. Paul Jones says his friends column John, Paul Jones. And that Hanoch and call him John, Paul Jones, that is why I hate him if you tell me what to call you. And then you say you have to call me this. Yeah. Then I hate you like, if that guy introduces himself to me, and he says, hi, I'm John, Paul Jones. And he doesn't say anything else, I'm gonna start calling him John. Right. That's the way it goes. I'm gonna call them J PJ or would call him. John, I will not be calling him John, Paul Jones. He's going to have a hard time finding girlfriend if he expects everybody to call him. John Paul Joe. Yeah. A match. Having sex with John, Paul Jones. You're yelling out Rame John, Paul Jones. That's just too much. I'm really hoping. It's like a stick. I hope so. And his friends don't actually call them John. Paul Joe's maybe they come JP or something JP's is nice. J J, did they extra J, even too much cut it down to either initials, or just Gye Trent Trenton tailed it by saying that this guy's an alien where you skit which was so funny. Because just the way he talked you were like maybe his an alien the Gwen. He accepted hand rose it was like with gratitude with what plant are you from? He's from planet Catholic university. That's what happens over there. That's, that's what it is. He's like with gratitude I was shocked. He didn't say and with your spirit. I was always honest so true. Okay. So John Paul, okay. Then we have Bryan Bryan was the math teacher came out like all over the place so much doozy mumbled overs words than they had this nervous laugh. He totally shit, the bed on his entrance, and that, that. Sucked for him because he was sent ever like we don't even have to talk about brow. This uselessness screwed is entering like I really think that was it Hannah was just like whoa ticket easy. And that's and that was the end of Brian. That's why I like Hannah on the season. Now after watching the first episode was because she is a lot more vocal and honest, and I thought she would be like she stood up, like no. Get off the ship. Yeah. To people. She doesn't like right? Which leads us to Scott. Scott was the next guy to come out of the limo. Scott. Scott. So he came out was sweet in his entrance you pulled Hanna side. He did like a little interior design thing with her and pretended that he didn't know that she did interior design, but then went into the house and was like, yeah, we did some interior design and no, she's into that stuff. It was it was so gross was very. Yeah. He wanted to little me, like get secondhand barris. He was a little sketch in that could have something to do with. With the haircut not a big fan of haircut. I don't yeah. Yeah. I don't want I don't want Jared to take offense this, but they kind of have similar, you know. Okay. Well, let's just make sure the rocket himself does hear that because we said terrible haircut. Well, his Jarrett's hair works with his beard. Scott doesn't have the full beard situation. So the whole look is incomplete. It looks like it's like good on the good on the top about about, like the combination doesn't work. Yeah. And Scott's hairs like way, more spiky to yes. But let's, let's talk about Scott would happen with Scott. Yeah. Scott came on the show, the bachelorette. I don't know what day of the week, they were filming. But on Monday. On Monday, Scott had another girl at home and Demi found out about it because somebody tweeted to her, you know, the was happening all like, all leading up to the new season of the bachelorette. A lot of people were tweeting Demi like about multiple guys like this was all a plot by ABC. Right. So it's like this was their way to get the social media people to vet the contestants when they released all the names and pictures like weeks ago, and then the people that were kind of problematic didn't even make the cut for the show like rose guys didn't even make the cut. And now it seems like Demi maybe Demi knew she was going to be making this appearance 'cause I remember her tweeting out like what's the t on these guys is anybody have info. And she got the info, and she was on the lookout, she was on the lookout for sure. And what she found was that Scott had a quote unquote girlfriend at home that he was seeing up until Monday. Hey, whatever day of the week it was, I'm gonna say it was like Thursday. Yeah, whatever it was the same week because they're saying Monday, Monday, Monday, he was texted other, all like I'm like, wait for me to come. Wait for me to come home. He was using Raza backup. Listen, you gotta lie like yeah. I don't care if you that girlfriend at home, which is honestly like, okay, it's fucked up. But it's also the bachelor and bachelorette where they're dating multiple people at once. And like, you know, sometimes you may have been talking to somebody at home, and then you're like, well, I'm going on the bachelor, right? I'm going on the bachelorette. So SIA I'm sure happens all the time to like you don't have to necessarily be full blown girlfriend boyfriend. But you might be toddling up with somebody and you are holding up with them until you leave like, all right? Well me and you don't have a future because this has been fun. But I'm examining the bachelor aptly. It's not like you. You know, if you were in talks to go into the bachelorette, you're not gonna stop talking stop hooking up with people. In the meantime, I think you're gonna save yourself for Hannah be I, I don't think I feel like people are banking coming out of the show engaged. Right. Right. Right. I think the problem here was that he was. Basically saying he was using it as a backup and that, yes, keeping her on the side and he was not suck to offset his explanation. It's like if he if he sat down, he said Hannah listen, yes, I was talking to somebody before I got here. But I'm all in on you right at person was in the past. You know, I didn't know what was going to happen here, but they're done. They're at home. I'm here for you. He didn't say any of that. He was like, well, yeah. I mean. Yeah, he was like, yeah, yeah, she's not my girlfriend, but, like I'm with okay buddy, you, maybe what outta shot if you had a better explanation. But like says ass home receipts as soon as the receipts came out. Horrible explanation. I get him off the show. We don't need this guy here. Worse thing. This guy did was then try and spin it off like back on handling. You're not gonna win by now. Like shaming hand. Yes. Like Hannah it's basically the same situation. You were just dating. You were just madly in love with colon. And now you're here, buddy. Those are two very different situations are different things. I understand his point. But you don't get to make a point when you're on competing on the show like Hannah beak and make all the point. She's she wants because she's the bachelorette she is in charge here. She's the ringleader when you're a contestant on the show you keep your mouth shut. You don't come back at the bachelor. I'd say you were. You're in love Colton get off the show because. If you're trying to save your spot like. Like insulting the bathroom was he needed to start groveling was not groveling a credited Demi, and Katie who just kind of sat in a sketchy white van in the driveway and wash guys because demi- demi- just continues to be my favorite. She was cracking me up the whole time, like katie's like oh, he's cute. He's cute, Debbie like no, don't like, no NAMA type. Nope, that shit on the guys there, because she's honest, and I agree with her. A lot of the times. I, I also love how positive she is also like she shits on people, and she's honest, but she also positive. Yeah. And is just always trying to make people happy? I feel like but at the same time shits on people I feel like. When the cameras are on, and I think that she is the best, quote unquote Valen to come out of any bachelor sees are she's not necessarily, she's not a villain like peo- wanted her to be the villain, but really should she turned out to be super likable, may be the most likeable girl that came out of that season. Totally, and I liked the way. I liked the way that Hannah handled Scott like once she realized, like this is useless. She was just like get the fuck outta here. The she dragged Yasser. She was like, let's go Scott hurry up. Let's go out the door. Let's go get out of here. She was like, come on yet. He wouldn't walk. And she was like, come on, by precious minutes here and I respected Hannah be so much in that moment, I was like, wow, that's, that's a bad bitch. Good for him to be. I didn't know she had that in her. But then she started to cry after and I'm like you met the sky for two cents. You didn't know this guy, there's no reason to cry motion later. I though in the moment, I get it the most inter-. Hi, I'm speaking out of somebody who doesn't have this experience. Like, if I was there, I might have cried off to cry to cry. But when you when you're trying to be a bad bitch. You cannot cry like that. That's the rule. You just can't do that. Like send them home. Right. Wiper. Hands. Clean go back to talk into the guys fair, you said, better like crying alone outside isn't that been cry alone. Hello. I know I darted cry like I she was alone. Like, isn't it better to like kick the asshole to the curb, and not show, any emotion not break? And then maybe cry after he leaves instead of like crying Scott being look. How would you do? How would you know it's great that she didn't cry to Scott? Yeah. But crying still in front of the cameras, and everybody, let's, let's hold it together. You didn't know him. He didn't. He didn't cheat on you fair. So see Scott goodbye move on with the night. Okay. All right. Who's after Scott next out of the limo was Matteo. So obviously, we talked about him because he's the sperm donor guy. Hit a pretty normal entrance was definitely nervous to meet Hannah. He's got a pretty hot scrim. I have to say like he just just saying. But can you look pass the hundred and fourteen kids thing, I don't know that's going to be a conversation that they're going to have to have which will be very interesting. It's gonna be an interesting conversation for sure, in my opinion. If I was dating somebody, and then all of a sudden, they had one hundred fourteen kids running around, I would be a little weirded out. But if I really loved the person I think I could just see the sweet side of it. And read of thinki- about how weird it is right? That's true. And maybe he's got a situation where like the kid, you know, the kids, they're not looking for nobody's looking for him, right? Like, yeah. It's not like yeah. Nobody's like. Yeah. Combat's any at one hundred and fourteen kids running around, like, where's my dad, right? Yeah. So. He, he made me laugh his hand, maybe laugh, because during the rose ceremony how it gave him a rose and she said, Matteo, and she was like say your name, right? Like how else you say Mattio nutty? Oh. What else are you going to say? Next we had Darren Darren at about zero airtime Monday night. So there's really not much to say. No. Let's just about Aaron thous about it, daring a rose. That's all you gotta know. Yep. Tyler g Tyler G is grad student, he said that what he found out that Hanna was the bachelorette he would dream about her every night, which I was like so that means you're the girl of my dreams sweet creepy. I'm not really sure maybe a little bit of both this more on the creepy side. It's a TMI situation because listen, we all have dreams, and we all dream out beings that we probably wouldn't say out loud, you know, like everybody how your dreams and Majorie me about people that they don't say, but you don't come up to somebody say, I dream about you every night like that's Tim. I keep that to yourself, if he said that to us, and he was. Listen, guys. I have been having dreams about how to be every night. Yeah. Different. But when you look somebody, and you're like. Every now the girl on your dreams reflect what's going on in your life. Kind of like if there's people, you know what I mean? Like maybe he just was thinking about the bachelorette the whole time Ryan continue dri would dream about Hannah. That's fine. Then we had Thomas Thomas was an international basketball player, he did not make the cut he got axed. So there's really say about him. Then we had Matthew, Matthew. Twenty-three year old car bid spotter. We didn't really get any of his intro either. Like we saw him say, hi introduce himself as Matt that was it. Really? That's all we saw. And then he also got sent home. So I hate to see that. I'm not gonna waste our breath on the people that got sorry, Matt besides one of them, there's a few then. The bucks king. So we saw Joe Barzani. Oh, the pox king of Joe Barzani. Oh, yeah. Joe bars. Sounds like somebody's name. I should be saying. Yeah. Joe Barzani Joe Barzani, oh, from Chicago. He's got the box king. He had a video package. We saw his whole family, obviously very talion loves cardboard boxes. He I realize now, when I watch other Italian families on TV why people make fun of my kind so much. Yeah. Because it's just funny every matere everyone's always screaming like anytime in talian family is shown on TV. They're yelling. Oh, yeah. And it was just so classic when he was like, I'm Joe bars on this. My dad Joe Barzawi. Oh. Like this is my uncle like Anthony. That's my other ankle Frank bar. Every name is the Celje. Oh, yeah. So Joe popped out of a giant cardboard box. He his, his energy was so alarming that I think he just. Was too much like he was also too much. Also Vegas guy. He is the biggest guy would he didn't even get to mention on the first site. But it was in his bio pops out is like this package is complete with. You did your Joe kinda. I feel like it kind of fits. It does a little bit hanging back yelled, so much like yell. Joe loud, and it was so aggressive that was talion. Whoa, joe? Joe's take it easy. Take it easy. Yeah. Doc, sking didn't make we go back to Joe Chicago. Joe's getting sent home night, one it turned out very well for Joel Mobley. Yeah. Out, so well for him, I don't think the charm of groceries Joe, Joe bar sano. He doesn't have that grocery store, 'cause it seems like there was another guy who everybody was feeling as more of like the grocery store, Joe type. Or maybe he'll get a second chance in paradise. I don't know if the box king will make the cut, but they had so much success with one Chicago, Joe. Maybe they'll give this one to try to who knows. But I think one Chicago Joe is good enough. Yeah, I agree. Then there was Joey Joey is older. We talked about him. He's ready to settle down. He's thirty three. He showed up with a little baby carseat blanket over it. There was a bottle of champagne and underneath cute. They pop the bottle, However, I impress in being, like I wanna have your babies to. I'm could be a little. I hate that every time somebody does it on the bachelor. I forget who did it with the minivan. Yeah, it just freaks me out like listen, we haven't even met yet stop thinking about having my baby's right? And she has still so young like right. Well, she might not want to have babies running. Let's just worry about the marriage first writes agreed or just having a boyfriend. A lot of. Chief was very concerned about his haircut. He has had a very deep part now I could see where people will be like what's going on there? But Joey was kind of cute. We'll see what up. We'll see Connor j Connor j also had a video package where we met his grandmother. Of course, she was super cusine about, you know, whereas family is from he's, he's a mixed race Lee. He's got all this different all these different. Family members and they're all from you how to places. He spoke French to Hannah. When he got out of the limo, I'm fine like I'm fine with the different languages. But I can ABC hit me with some subtitles one time. Like, tell me what this guy's saying. Yeah. I want to know what he's saying. But I also like the move because French French is the most romantic language that. Yeah. Right. So I feel like that is I feel very common thing like ooh. French so sex. Yeah. Eight use that to your advantage. I'd also like to mention I just one time want somebody to have the worst grandma of just just how grandma on the show that people hate. Yeah. Because it's impossible it is. It is hard to have a grandma or Maman moms are easier to hate really, really old people. They say something really bad. It's very hard to hate old people, but I love just one time for somebody to have their grandma and us be like fuck. This grandma. It'd be interesting with it would make things a lot. More interesting, if something for them to think about Connor also pulled Hanna side during the night for like a little bachelorette party, which was cute. It was like out in the driveway. I thought Hannah I laughed at Hannah's joke about shaken. She's like you're the junk in the trunk thing. Whatever the hell, I don't know on there. It was like you're going to go some Jewish. She was like, don't touch it. Yeah. Yet, which I liked I night. Yeah. No Connor put a crown on her head, and I feel like a flash of a flash. We saw pageant Hannah come out like she was like, oh. Like, wow, we just Paget Hannah there. Here's the thing. If anybody is gonna put a crown on my head, like, I will also freak out and blush to your someone's putting a crown on your head. And it's like when people tell you, wean, it's like, really thank. You very much. Also really never thought about it as much that like. Be becoming miss. Alabama is probably one of the hardest states to become as Alabama totally, like really, right? There's gotta be so many so many other dates, and then Al beautiful girl, so many like I said, just beauty pageant girls from top to bottom. They've been raised like. That's what they do. Now. Bama. Right. Exactly. Okay. Then we had Ryan roller boy Ryan, pour Ryan. He once we saw. Once I saw that his bio, and we saw once we saw that his bio was roller boy. All right. This guy's going home night, one because they always liked to give somebody who goes home night. One a name. Yeah. Like the stupid jobs, because something funny to talk about for one episode because they know that not making it far. So they're like, let's just give him a stupid job. So everybody laughs at him and articles get written about him. Same thing with box king. It's right because they know they're, they're disappearing. He he didn't really say much, you know, rolled in on his roller skates. Said roll tide billion times, there was a tweet going around that I don't know if it's still out of the girl, deleted it or not. But it was oh per sketch. Okay. The girl deleted so I took screen shots. Yeah. This girl blew up a spot time blow up as big time. Blew up is spot. Some people were saying it was a nice message, and I'd really like to have a talk with those people. All dot it's not a mean message. I it is nice message, but it's a little, too, actually it's way to extra. So he said, good morning. This was Sam, this is Ryan from tavern by less. I think I'm undefeated against his birthday so far. Surprisingly, I'm not too hung over this morning. It was great meeting you last night. Also do I get my one birthday wish today? Both strategy using my entire single wish on this. I know. But as the kids, say these days, you gotta risk to the biscuit, here goes nothing for my birthday Sam, I wish for nice, casual date, no expectations and nothing crazy. Oh with you. Of course. Ideally, over something that I hold most here and my heart, you guessed it is cream. So the ball is in your court, Sam all need to know is if I won birthday can wish can come true, and if so we can pick a day for the most were Manta. Casualties scream date of your life PS. I know the whole tell someone your wish and it will come true at, but not a worry at all. I've already done the due to due diligence. And according to section three article five of the birthday wish handbook if the girl is above nine and beauty and attractiveness than she has the power to override and grant the wish as she spit like this is what you did on your birthday. Like you really put that much effort into typing this out. Listen, I get it. You wanna stand out when you're reaching out, you wanna make a good impression, you want to do in a different way and it's tough and. So tough, it is. I understand, like, I don't want to bash guys who are trying to like it's on a date with. Yeah. Exactly like that's super fucked up. Like he's trying to go on a date with a girl. I don't want shit on anybody who's trying to go on a date with a girl. I don't think he had any ill intentions. I don't think he was meaning to be creepy, but was the whole thing, just so extra. Yes like that. Like that is a sure way that she's going to say no to your. Hey, had a great time last night would love to hang out this week. Let me know if you're available thinks that's it. I met that guy and I liked him that night thought he was great. And he sent me a tech saying exactly what you said. I'd say, yeah, let's go on a date, if I met a guy that I liked and the next day he sends me that I'm texting all of my friends immediately like ooh. Ooh, you're out allies eight to this because it's, it's the first time you're texting meat and it's almost a full essay likely let's get it together. Let's clean it up. Yeah. Okay. Then we had hunter punter. Cute surfer doesn't really matter what he did. He added. He hits his tie with them and was like, can you let's tie the knot whatever he went home. So what's grant grant loved his food, puns. He came in saying it's a sausage party. I got some mustard. Let's relish the night, make sure we catch up inside. That's fine. The pun guy he said it himself. He's a pun guy and we got grand on our list, because his bio was the one that was like he's ready to call out the younger guys, just feel like he's going to play some kind of role. We could be totally wrong who knows. And he's, and he thinks he's better than everybody yet, seems to be the lawyer, and he's unemployed. So we'll see what okay Jonathan Jonathan brought pizza for Hannah. That's great. Will you have a pizza, my heart and other food pun guys were eleven the food, puns? He got a rose. So that's fine. Good for him. Good for him, if he does great Kevin, Kevin is the behavioral health specialists that we liked from his bio, we were like this. He seems like he's a good guy. He got out of the with a bunch of footballs, and then drop them all, like I fumbled this instruction, you fumbles the introduction by doing that, but you fumbled it by fumbling. Yeah. I also took a deep look at this man's Instagram. And i've. Remember in his bio, it did say that he loves to work out, but he literally posts so many shirtless photos of, like just his chest. Like his head's non in it. That's like this is what is scrap. It's just zoomed in processes pack you could see, like hair on his leg. It's just. I don't need to see that. Yeah. I don't want to you have a great body, sir. But there's so many pictures that I'm like, oh, is that a red flag might at least give us the full body? Not just your pack. Yeah. Yeah. He's got a cute face. Cut your face your face in it. All right. Then then we gotta loop. Okay, finally, because I've been waiting fifty minutes gone by and I get to Luke p Luke p. I got to enemies right now. John, Paul Jones, and Luke p Luke p comes out of the limo fucking growling on top limo on our like literally and then hana's like raw and they have this weird, sexual tension Rowling at each other. I'm like, I can't even imagine what the sex between these two would be like they're fucking like I be while Jesus Rheos. Yeah. Okay. So he's stopped the sex to God in the shower. He in his video package. You made a very clear that he sucked up with tugged up with tons of ladies. And then one day he had a conversation with God in the shower. And he's changing his ways, I guess, you know the next. Yeah. Okay. Next girl, he dates he said, you know, he wants to marry or just sweat. He wants to marry. He came out so like he came off. So tough like he tried so hard. The whole of the sewed was the biggest suck up on the episode. Which makes me hate him. It makes me despise him. And I know he's going to be bad news. I feel it in my heart. I'm smelling the bullshit. I smell it for miles away. He's going to be bad mood. Bad news. Bad moose big-time bad moods. I really hope so. Because Hannah gave him her first impression rose. They had like a kind of gross make out. Yeah. And like the last three bats are in a row have given. Like the guy who gets the first impression rose has won. See, I think he's going to go far. And I think if he turned out to be this nice suck up guy yet he'll win. But he's not. I think the coming attraction people he's got. Regain part it's going to be him. He's going to crumble, which I'm hoping for I hope he fucking crumbles on the spot because honestly, I'm rooting hard against Luke, Paige. Okay. Going through. We're going to go through last few months. We met met him before he got a rose, not much airtime dust, and she also met before he also got a rose that we had Cam Cam came in Ardy with a rose yet Cam. Raft, again, Cam can't stop wrapping my shine. And he also deemed us that he'd like to battle, right? Cam DM tricks, the office that he would like to dance battle after you challenged him. Maybe we'll maybe we'll be able to set that up. I would love to set that up. Yeah. Me too. He said he was not here for fifteen minutes fame. I feel like when you have to say that, and I feel like when you're messaging chicks in the office to do a dance battle now. We'll just keep we'll keep an eye on Cam. That's fine. Matt Donald came out singing McDonald on a tractor had the straw hat. He kept the straw hat on all night long which I'm hoping producer told him, he had to do, because he had it on all night, long, even during the rose ceremony. He had that thing on us like, oh, no it's not. A good look not a good book. The song wasn't that great a lot easing. But he seemed really sweet. He had the video package with, with his family, and his parents are deaf is brother. So I like that. That's the whole thing like he's really sweet Hari sweet guy, Lee. I think Twitter connected him, and maybe he'll get the grocery store. Joe treatment. Yeah, I agree. I hope because I thought I thought he was very sweet, and it sucks. You didn't get a chance. And then our guy chasing chasing pilot drama, RIP Chason chasing comes out. He's a pilot. He made Hannah little paper airplane, super cute. But the problem was. There was another pilot have eater pile Peter out. He had the double Ps when you're pilot verse pilot Chason and your name shady pilot, like, you know, highly Peter's, they have great Peter came out. Full full uniform. Crushed. It brought wings for her, like immediately when that guy came in chasing was like, oh man. Yeah. He wears uniform even Hannah said, love him and uniform chasing chasing, didn't get the rose. I'm sad that chased didn't get a row, you'll be sad for a day, and then we'll move on. I know. But I was I was still sad, just because his name was chasing. Yeah. All right. My so we wrap it up, but I am going to give out my these are my top five picks. Garrett Tyler see Peter jed and Lupi. Alright friend that wraps up today's episode. Thank you so much, everybody, who listened. 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Episode 490 - The Mummy (1999)

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Episode 490 - The Mummy (1999)

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That's wipers, one two three dot com use our Promo Code whm at checkout and receive ten dollars off your next order of forty dollars or more drako. Is Week on the program. Who says there's a toilet paper shortage with this many mummies? It's the money I'm Andrew Japan's Stevens. Sadek Eric Toilet Paper Chris cat. Ed We hate movies. Hello everyone. Welcome to. We hate movies. Thank you for tuning in as always. That's right. We're talking the mummy from the Grand Year of Nineteen Ninety, nine directed by. We hate movies. Favorite Steven Summers one of the great years of movies, man, ninety, nine, eight nine. Oh you had phantom menace. Of course fight club Oh bringing out the dead, American beauty. Great move. Moving to bring your kids. Insider. Tricks yeah, no big year goodyear year. Nice, remember what seeing the Matrix being star wars, whatever being like Gosh I hope this just take attention away from Star Way H. But I, I sure hope. It doesn't take a tension away from my beloved Star Wars. That both didn't need sequels. Steve's planting bombs in Matrix screenings just. See See. What is the? What was the released difference. There was a May July thing. I think Matrix was I I wanna say that sounds right. I'M GONNA. Look it up on this I'm curious about that well. Steve looks set up by the way we just want to mention before we get into the episode you know there's obviously more important things going on in the world but just a soft reminder. All of those tour dates that we. We were supposed to be doing right now. Have moved to the fall so we just WANNA remind folks. Those shows right now are still on our bookers are monitoring situations and everything. They're in constant communications with these venues, and we just checked in a today as of this recording which June. The tenth the shows are still ago so checkout. WHM PODCASTS DOT COM. For the tour schedule through those are real. Quick by the way the Matrix was released March thirty first Phantom menace. Whatever may nineteenth, so there is no, so I was like Oh shit. BIPEDS are about six whole weeks ago my. Crazy that the matrix, I mean 'cause. Obviously, they just didn't know what it was gonna be, but like yet. Make Sense, March dump so wait. Steve was your worry that they were going to make to. It was gonNA. Make more money. Like make more money. Be More be bigger star wars. It was young. But were you worried that like the success of the Matrix could then indeed signaled the cancellation of the release of phantom menace. Could. Affect like the Star Wars Franchise. Going forward I see. That is a very scared about that and it. Kinda did actually you were right to be terrified you. Yes sure let's go through those tour dates I. Don't have that in front of me either. Do So September twenty-ninth rex theater in Pittsburgh Pennsylvania talking about taken. September thirtieth that hilarity in Cleveland Ohio is a nightmare on elm street, three warriors. I've been looking for to talking about that movie. Forever I think I've wanted to talk about it with people since I first saw it like in high school, and then on October the second. WE'RE GOING TO BE IN DETROIT which I've never been to him so excited to go to Detroit ideally. Over the second to talk robocop three a movie I barely remember. On October eleventh will be at the Salem. Horror Festival Salem Massachusetts title to be determined. But it's going to be spooky. BET, but we have already determined the episode for November eighth at the comedy. Zone in Charlotte North Carolina comedies Oh would be under siege and then little little likeness at the Orange Peel. We're GONNA talk about junior on November the tenth in Asheville North Carolina. That's GONNA be super exciting. Yes, and then we'll be finishing it out on November eleventh at Zanies Nashville Tennessee talking footloose. Man I'm psyched about this lineup of movies. You guys I think regardless if they are comedies, are action movies or whatever? We're going to have a great time all around these these seven shows are gonNA be fucking great. I am pumped. That's all I have to say is I'm pumped I'm very pumped. I'm very pumped. The Summer Blockbuster Extravaganza continues with this mummy movie, and I want to turn to my buddy Eric Cisco because he has a catchphrase for movies for movies, just like this. Wherever got their pitchforks out already? It's okay to like a movie. It is okay to be younger than us. In one, thousand, nine, hundred, ninety nine. Totally find. This movie is serviceable. Hangover. A I would say we'll get the recommendations at the end, but I don't have outright ill. Will towards this movie just so everyone is clear. I used to hate this movie I last night. My viewing I had a lot of fun with it I. Still I think it's worthy of this feed but I had more. More fun with it than I thought it was going to. I think this is kind of a prime example of the thesis that Eric Cisco Has Been Driving Home to the folks at home for the last ten years. Almost okay, and here's here. It is right here I like this movie. I've seen this movie. Upwards of like twenty, times, like I've said. It's like the first standard DEF DVD movies. We ever had so that it automatically got a lot of play, but I just watched it right now and I still had a fucking ball, and at the same time I am ready to make fun of it, so let's get our heads Nice and level folks because nobody should give a shit. I when I saw this back in ninety nine I think I didn't see. Theaters is saw it on video and I just wasn't into it and I still do. The tone is kind of a bit off. I know that we're. We're trying to have fun. Yada Yada Yada in the move. You're trying to have fun I kind of wanted to be bit spookier. Maybe a touch I. Ask man honestly like because the more an action movie gets toward like the horror side of things. Then you get that other Steven. Summers movie. Yeah, that's a good point. Whatever the fuck deep rising gets. Deep Isaac, rules but. Roles does it Yeah I. Mean I think these are the mummy and deep rising are the ones that I like from him? Knows are the two that I can stomach I. Do for the horror thing. The original one is pretty scary for what it is. The KARLOFF, the Karloff one I think is pretty spooky so I think it's actually fun that they blew it out a bit and made it an adventure movie. It's not like horror at all to me. Well in the way that they blow it out towards adventure becomes kind of Indiana Jones clone, and you turned down the horror slightly and just have mysticism and a slight spirituality invading the reality. Yeah, yeah, it would then be more of that kind of adventure fil. Yeah I share I sure. Do appreciate that this movie like you know obviously all the action stuff, aside the story. Is Loosely The Story of the car love movie as far as like. Here's this mummy who's trying to also resurrect his lady friend. I don't believe world. Domination is really on the table. Thanks for bringing me back to live kindling girlfriend come to man. Please wait I can't be immortal without my fucking lady. Cheryl come over here and show yourself she parade. Bringing people back. In. She's cool. She doesn't eat much. Looks gotTa Terrapin Station. You ever see mummy terrapin station t-shirt man. I think I did see this, too, and I think. Steve this is a great example of man. Sometimes you just need a big screen experience the idea that's fair I think that like not seeing this theater just seeing it on vhs and kind of not giving a shit to begin with kind of colored by thing, because I actually specifically remember going to see in the theater and being like the Mommy I mean a ride. It's at the movies. Literally was that and it was sort of like a pleasant surprise. I should admit I I'm a big Brendan Fraser. Head? I really liked his movies when they were coming out I saw this in the theater I saw blast from the past and theaters. Oh. Yikes. That's unfortunate and gods and monsters which he's amazing. Yeah I've still never seen that movie actually now in that movie, does he also not? No television is or Is He just like? He'd become our narrow. We need to teach him. What actual? What's happened in the world and the last hundred years? Yes, you see they record it first and then they televise it here. This movie starts off. It was actually interesting because we just did the cats commentary and your Q. Seeing that thing I had to watch this movie. Twice so I, got really familiar with the universal logo, and it was cool to see this one like twenty years in the past just slightly different. This is the one they debuted in ninety seven I believe the copyright says, but the globe here you guys turns into the sun, also kind of like Mimicking Indiana Jones with the paramount logo turning into the mountain, which is Kinda cool. I will say at the start of this Nice decent and again nightime is very forgiving, but nice decent CGI ancient Egypt. Here at the start of the start looked pretty good to me. Graphics I think are pretty good in this aisle beyond the early mummy too early. Mummy is bad. That's bad. That's bad, but once you get like one or two honks dead. Like Bennett looks okay. The see of the dead at the end looks like absolute trash. I I. I I. Forgive it a lot I. do actually think that this would be is smartly less CGI than I remember. 'cause. That's one of the things I have outed. Terrible, but it just there's less of it like. If this were made today, it would be nothing but bad CG. You'll be nothing, but betsy and there's a moment that I so appreciate this a second. If this movie was made today, it was the mummy two thousand seventeen with Tom. Man Yes. I don't remember it being CGI, but it was definitely heavy on the snores. Because that's what I do and I fell asleep in that movie dude I. Rented it and it was like. Right after Tom Cruise like wakes up from the plane crash like he wakes up in the body bags, whatever I straight up fucking fell asleep. Though only good thing about that is Russell Crowe. Russell Crowe is. Such a breath of fresh air. Doing Henry Jekyll yeah, and he's just blown like he's. He knows he's in a piece of shit, so he's just having fun Oh. That's interesting I didn't even get to him in the movie. Piece like this is or is that like? That's present day. Okay, so he's like Modern Day Henry Jekyll. Kinda like okay. That sucks. Yeah, dressed like what you'd expect. Though yeah, no, that's true actually. Yeah, well. It's weird that that movie starts with like a mission impossible style like plane crash like. And you're just like I thought I was fucking watching the mummy. Like what are we doing? Yeah, it's Tom Cruise's the mummy, so the mission impossible moving exactly and then it's also weird because you're watching the movie and you're like. Oh, so he's like not the tischler mummy. What is he doing in this movie at all? They're both mummies outer. It's a real. It's a Ham Dinger I got. Into pitch really gave him one. What if there's two mummies, so we say? Opening intro narration by Oded Fehr. Who Comes into play later? Apparently. They wanted they wanted originally going to have arnold. Vosloo I always do this and I want I've always said Vosloo. I'll keep it with fossil Arnold. Vosloo was it, but his character wouldn't have known English so. They're like which you make sense, so they wanted it fair to do it. I kind of appreciate that actually an on a dead fair totally fucking rules in this movie. Hop piece of a smile. This is one of the Hunky or movies. You'RE GONNA. Find I, we it. It is a honk tastic motion picture about Deuce bigalow male Gigolo, where he's shirtless in that so that so that is a little bit better I will say. He's taken care of a fish tank that he trusts to this Guy Meets Rob Schneider who thought. Tropical ending is. That's GonNa End Sihleli I also noticed and did not need to look any further into it. The see that he was definitely probably playing a terrorist on twenty four. One point I mean that's that was career boom. was you know what I mean like? Just sort of like there is could. Steve Pun not intended definitely. GonNa. You'RE GONNA. Play the banker who funds the terrorists? OWNER YOU'RE A double agent? Your CIA agent, but you take it out terrorists from your country that I'm from Israel. Yeah I don't care. Shit. So the quick story of this is you know there was this pharaoh Seti, the first to this jacked out of fucking mind, and it's kind of crazy that his lady friend right here is going for fucking Arnold Vosloo when you have this professional wrestler waiting in the wings. Anybody who this lady was no She is Marta from arrested development. No get out of town. You're right, yeah! I didn't notice it I. Mean I've seen this something a million times, and I don't know what it was that it was that. Wow, that's hilarious I don't know if anyone else just caught it by the way but I. Definitely just accidentally do the job of the last. At, the Martin reveal. I gotTa say this Court. Lasts, longer to build me a fucking platform in my house. Just slide around. sliding. Data. On? Be crumb the exactly exactly. Yeah, so this so Marta the Pharaoh's mistress was getting it on with Arnold Vosloo on the side, and as we hero dead fair tell it for their love. They were willing to risk life itself, and so they get caught fooling around, but he put. This guy is very the pharaohs very protective of his lady. He puts basically like that powder. You put in a in a in a bag full of money at a bank on this lady all over it just in case you know what I mean like. You know what I was thinking of its. It reminded me of when like James. Bond wants to like check to make sure. No one's broken into his hotel room. Does the tapes a piece of tape to is door that they can't see and then it's all lucrative that. So like that was. That's what I thought of it. As the body Pinkas, he's like. Hey, you're fucking shoulders smudged. Did someone touch you and then a Arnold Vosloo walking around like Robert Patents at a good time, and it's all over his face. And so of course, she's She's murdered. And Arnold, Vosloo, his his punishment is, he's mummified alive. Mistress kills herself. Yeah, he calls out to her. I will resurrect. You must be very comforting while she's stabbing herself in the guts. You don't worry about it. Know what you just drink the poison. Don't worry about it. It's good help help. You're good right bay. Don't worry about it. Got The resurrect spell going little black medical look of dead. Five hundred bucks I'm GonNa. Turn it into a thousand babe. It's GONNA be awesome. Guess what in Nineteen Ninety two. We're GONNA rock together. Man. So. So it's actually weird. I realized got a sequence of events out of order here, so she commits suicide, and then somehow like he's not arrested immediately because he then like takes the body and he's trying to do this ritual. His priests and him escape, and then they say escon with her body. They like raid, the more or whatever we. Show don't tell give me the fun more. Greg Ratings I know more than is just like a a dry room. I guess. Yeah, that would, I would love to see that. It's like Arnold Vosloo. Carrying a corpse out in the middle of the night, like little bird hair kind of stories on like a medical robe. Pretending to be a doctor. Dr. Hieroglyphics. Dead. So. Yeah, he gets found out the cursor the ceremony. The ritual is not finished, so she doesn't come back from the dead. He is mummified alive after they cut his tongue out, and then dump can bucket a scarabs all over him before closing the coffin man, these scarabs get a lot of play in this movie. Do well. Apparently there was that was like part a Joe. Dante thing that this is a property, the kind of kept trying to bring back obviously, and there was a Joe Dante version with Daniel, day Lewis, which sounds fucking awesome, much better version I guess. Fight the me. He was going to be the mummy. No, that's bad that they were trying to build an early ninety S. Dark Universe with like intense. British actors got Gary. OLDMAN AS DRACULA? Lewis's the mummy so anyway, so that's the whole thing, and it's in the city of the dead Hamanaka's burial sites city so we go back to that exact same location, but now we're nineteen twenty. and this is Brendan Fraser. And he's like fighting with the French. Foreign Legion. which I don't. I would like a little bit of backstory. There's a how that happened. Yeah, kind of a cool story and his name is Rick, just like Rick in Casablanca. They have a stake in Egypt. And they filmed this. Morocco so there you go. Oh, that I'm sure they did cabin. I mean like all those fucking. Countries had snakes and places that didn't belong to them, then they they they. They say something something like oded fairs like end. This area was heavily congested for years and years Yada Yada Yada as the great that we're on the side of the enemy. Then Oh, absolutely, the everyone there should get the fuck outta there. Take your little white hats fuck out. But O. Dead Fair says that he is part of a group called the magic. which are descendants of the Pharaoh's bodyguards themselves and his boring ass job is keep watch over Hamanaka tried to make sure people like Brendan Fraser and the French Foreign Legion. Don't come in looking for treasure and accidentally. Unlock this fucking mummy. Which is the movie yeah? Be Honest. He's not great at his job. No, that's very true Cavin, they're. They're kind of a sleeping at the switch. There should be a review after this think. Badge I should bring him in and ask a few questions dude, insist a Stinger seen with oded fehr at ease fucking He's talking to his supervisor for some reason played by Stephen Root. Classic Stinger I the head of the match I. What did you think you're doing? It's got a clipboard. I do the yeah. Like fucking six thousand years of you know of of really nailing. People out of here all takes us one time, guys. Do you think Oh, did fares character was like? Like you. Know what I took my first vacation. Thirty years of being on this job and it was just a long weekend, and somehow you idiots managed or fuck up three thousand years of tight security. She says Christ you fend it off armies, and Brentford, frazier and a bunch of American idiots that got it. This whole order is just like the last crusade. Guys that are protecting the grail. But I might be wrong. There might be an actual order protecting us from mummies that are going on right now, so I'm trying to stop a tweet well. Hey, dude, look or look around. You man you fucking sandy mummies anywhere. Do. Thank you for your service. So we get it. We're starting to get into a little scuffle with these guys here. We have Steven Summers next door. Neighbors slash best friend. Kevin j O'Connor as the coward. I was surprised. He dies this week. Spoiler Alert I could have sworn in the second one because that is lucky rabbit's foot. Do that guys in everything? Is it a thing I haven't seen the second one in a very long don he's? Pretty shocked by that well, I was GONNA. Say 'cause I wouldn't put it past the sequel to this movie to just recast him as somebody else. The mummy could like a possess him or something. That would have been a way to do it or just. It's Kevin j O'Connor literally playing different person. Yeah, he's. He's got a blonde hair. Claus or something exactly It was a that was speaking of the casting by the way. This was a little bit of a mystery for us. US, with this character is like okay. Kevin J connor. What are you supposed to be playing here? And then it turns out. It's a Hungarian dude, so you're like all right. He is wise. I mean look I think he's fine. I enjoy his cartoonish NECE, but it gets tiresome, and I remember at least in one thousand nine. This was a guy that pushed me over the edge with this movie. The problem is is that they have a few too many comic. Relief's going on Yup. Like Jonathan could go the brother I really think he could just go. Side at the brother is the brother is what ties this is? One of the reasons are one of the ways rather that this movie ties itself to the Karloff with because in the end, those universal monster mummy movies specifically. There's always the one character who's like I'm in archaeology for the big box and he's always. Always trying to scam, and like find the treasure, and all of that, so it's a welcome addition that he's there the problem with the Kevin j O'Connor character as I see it anyway as he goes from being like the mischievous guy who's who's then like the mummies, r-enfield kind of character, which is interesting the by the end of the movie. He's fucking Abu. The monkey from A. Totally devolved into selling it, he also he betrays rick at the start of the film, and then he goes on to continue to betray him. It would be interesting that brother character was the betrayer instead in some way he and he's enchanted by the mummy. This will fetch a high price to my imperialist pig government. Totally, do know that would be a really interesting way, too fucking spin it. I just find Jonathan very boring throughout this whereas Kevin, j O'Connor occasionally I'm like interested in him, and I like the idea that you make it so like. If you are self centered and you know totally only NFL agreed and surviving. You will make a toward the end, but at the end you'll to do with do Chris that he is a bit dull, but this is the whole sister fucking thing and made me think this is a fast two furious move. Oh my God, Dude, so this Guy Jonathan by your logic will be the vin diesel character yes. A quarter mile at a time. Who Wants Coronas and Barbecue Chicken? Is Forever. Isn't that right mummy? He's British. Excellent I. WanNa. Kevin, J O'Connor and Tom Noonan to play brothers who run a mortuary. That's all I want dude dude, right it. Write that movie and then pitch it to them. and honestly there's like a forty percent chance you'll. They'll do I'm steven this Tom Noonan Y Y so I retire from acting in your script and I run a mortuary. It's not a Tom Noonan all over this. You know there's there's there's dead people everywhere. You just got to reach out and grab them. You GotTa know how to recap. Grab Him I. Do like this. This is a J., C., D. version of top nude has right so in in the mortuary office. It's like a poster for Manhunter, a poster for the House of the devil. A fucking love this. And My Shit! He'll brother Kevin J O'Connor. Who is not play by Kevin J. Well, he is Kim a joke cheese. Yeah. We bought this works very, and all the doorways are too short for both of us. That's a real problem. This is real. Fool's errand cannot believe I I retired from acting. This is worse than the time. We bought a zoo. Oh that's surely the script reader. Hi Shirley. Hi, how are you doing back there? Contact breaks the. Fourth Wall to be great. Is a take as left in where he's just like Steve. I can't believe you're trying to fuck it. Play the same music from manhunter. He's gripped specifically states in the garden of Eden. It's right there. You kidding me. No, you need big since when we see Tom, need a sandwich. So anyway, yes, we're in nineteen twenty-three. The French are fighting to dig up this fucking site and the Maj like. Please do not unleash this evil into our world, and it's Kinda Great. 'cause Benny like coming to your lead like jumps inside of a tomb. Rick is left alone and then did fair. All his fault is like ever should be killed him, and it's like no the desert. Kill him well, no! Do Your fucking job. This is the before of view again like. We've gotTA kill those guys. Sorry, the desert took the oath to. It was there when? Maybe we have a white asshole policy, and whatever it is a white Ashville rummaging around. We gotTA kill. Why didn't I mean? Why don't you drag the desert in here and review that? Also because I think in the second movie, Dead Fares character each shit, too, so it's like acting best right is that? John Waters. John waters the mummy. In multiple mummies. There go, there's the title I like that. Yeah, so yeah, he says the creature remains undiscovered. The desert will kill him. We pop to Cairo three years later. Getting the party started the Museum of Antiquities. Absolutely Rachel vice just got her fucking eyebrows waxed like holy, Shit Man, these weird atrocious dude. What are we fucking do into this poor woman? It's a very like uncle. Leo. Are You mad at me? Out. Here. It's the the eyebrows of the Queer. The fucking yeah, the evil, queen, Snow White or some shit and her haircut to. It's like Betty Boop, Shit, you know. Would you drive you wild? By the way the site, the visage of Betty boop like dude. There are so many boards sailors that have jerked off to Betty boop. That she just adorns disgusting boardwalk. T shirts yeah, totally poor petty boop would a fall from grace. You ever here's. Here's something that I'd be interested in. Is there someone out there where Betty Boop t shirts? That doesn't smoke cigarettes. Maybe. Children. Don't show what a child after Betty. BOOP! If you have a betty boop, fucking, father or Betty boop. Petty Boop Fuck t shirt for the kid. You do not want a betty boop father cabinet I. don't even know what that is, but I'm telling you don't. Guy. WHO's Turks off? The cartoons I started listening son. I Love Betty Boop. It makes me a while to note the light betty. BOOP is going out of the world. The light is drink. You have to carry on. VK, group. The order of boop. Boop you gotta stead outside of a Shitty Ferris wheel on the boardwalk smoking cigarettes. We all agree that Eddie. Valiant treated her like shit that. Goes on the shit list. Kid. Those cartoons ain't racist. They had just products of their tie. OF HERITAGE NOT HATE God, wouldn't you just love to be one of those skeletons that dances with? Old cartoons are terrifying. You ever look at any of those other their haunting. Shit Dude like folks at home. Go to YouTube. Do Favor if you WANNA get fucking chilled your soul google. Go to Youtube and search for some fucking Betty boop cartoons they are on their. Own Chill I bet if you dig deep enough. Betty boop was invented by HP lovecraft. Fairly Rachel vices kind of dancing with skeletons in this movie. That's true cabin. So, there's a there's a fucking crazy gagged I. do not believe belongs in this movie. Nope, where Rachel Vice. Domino's all of these huge bookshelves, and then the weeds juice sky fucking meals. Her Dynamic and that hurt dynamic with Brennan. Frazier I think they're trying to do the cary grant type of thing like a you know. Or yeah girls, you know it just act business. It skews a little too cartoony at certain points. This movie that this is the one that really gets me is like. Because like nothing comes from that, and also it doesn't wind up being a callback later in the movie like she doesn't knock a bunch of fucking columns down to kill some mummies or something. You know what I mean I'd just like for nothing I do want to because I do think that he should be referred to always as the the governor Davis Eric Erica very, he's. He's had a good career as you still with us. By the way he is yeah. Okay I think about the ways in the sky like maybe like by month flay and I'm just like. I hope that Dude's doing all right, but there is a casting paradox in this movie because we using the juice guy who ends up being like the the secret order the. Like leader is at least an agent with them, but he's like undercover at the museum. He's in the movie, but then also the English actor who played the DADS slash bad guy in the I like the Robin Williams Jumanji movie that is also in this movie and I. I'm telling you I confused those dudes all the time and they play similar characters alive, isn't he? Also the Butler from the nanny. Isn't that his? Third Gao, it is okay. The Butler from the nanny I believe is actually like an American or Canadian actor, so I was meant to say as three identical strangers over. John Hannah shows up as her brother Jonathan. Who is so Scottish and not doing a great job, not being Scottish. Oh fuck that SISTA and it's like yeah. We're both England is. Is this guy some you said? The actor's name is if I should recognize him from something. That's not the mummy Steve Hughes in four weddings and a funeral and other stuff sliding doors the Gwyneth paltrow movie I think never caught it never never caught four weddings and a funeral. Surprisingly, the boring guy was boring everybody. But yeah, he is Evelyn's brother in all around opportunistic has my note saying? Gang today's episode is brought to you in part by truth versus Hollywood. 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The answer is fries found the the mummy. Look right here. Backwards. Oh, he's not the Butler from the. He's the Butler from Richie Rich Oh. Yes, he is, he is. Really not the not the brother, the British guy who will be later. Yes, the blow. Yeah, okay, ALL RIGHT BLOODY HELL! The map only leads to a mummified Ma'am mccheese. That's exactly what should happen to that son of a bitch. I mean I think that you know like culture is ending around. Obviously these happy meal maps will be worth of the elite people to real treasure, which will be fucking nonperishable food. Dude just made me think of y'all remember that cinema mania documentary about like the freaks in New York City who for movies a day right? Oh No, you gotta see this. Oh Steve I have. Cabin you never saw. I never thought awesome. Oh, you guys! It is the it is an a plus look at these fucking piano. Experience Chris Cabin by the way you'll recognize people in that movie I'm. Definitely you definitely when? You're not in a cabin. You know a man who has interviewed in that movie. Really Great, yes. It's insane Steve There's an old lady who gets kicked out of Moma and banned for life, and they film her coming back in wearing a disguise trying to see a movie. I'm watching. This baby died. Oh okay, so there's I don't want to spoil it too much, but there was a guy in that movie. That is so proud of the fact that he's collected all over the McDonald's Jurassic Park collectors. Steve I'm telling you it's real loser township. Don't start watching it right now. I might battle out of the rest of this episode. I'll give recommendation. You can edit it in I swear to God Steve If. We're sitting here ten minutes from now. Another thing about Arnold Vosloo fucking to hear that move beyond background. Professional bursts out laughing in the middle of talking about the plot. That guy. Yes cinna mania absolute recommend but. The friend that was in the juice. Guy Burns half the map because like he's secretly in on it again. Like yeah, this touches fire like come on, it's. It's insane. It doesn't go up and half a second and I love. The the juice guy is definitely like. Oh, what a shame! It's too bad. It didn't burn all the way out like not trying to cover up at all. It's for the best. You should not fucking go there. He's trying his best to give him like this warning or whatever so Rachel. Rachel vices like fuck. We gotta go to this place and file of this map. Let's go find the dude who you got this from. You know and he's like okay. Cool. It's just at this bar, and then you cut to the Cairo prison and he's like well. Maybe it wasn't a bar and I don't understand when they had this interaction. Did anybody else catch? It's really unclear. Brother like touring the jail, and he fucking lifted it from him. No, no, it was. They were in a bar together before he got arrested. Was a brawl. He says okay, so this reeks of deleted scenes, though because that's a lot of like. How did Brendan Fraser? It's been three years. How did he wind up in jail? Why does he fucking speaking of Jumanji? Why does he fucking Robin Williams hair in this movie is. How long has he been in there? Like? What are we talking about its way? Show us the fucking bar. Fi show us how he got out of the desert. He was left for dead. You know what I'm picturing it as Eric honestly is. In, is it? Is it Where is it in Indiana Jones world where Marian is shots in the bar at the raiders. It's in raiders, right? Okay, It should have been something like that, right? It's like Brendan. Fraser's like drinking with all these fucking dudes or something like Jonathan lifts it from him or something like show. Is that seeing you can? Can have in there already almost aggressively. Copying Indiana Jones for par portions of this film. Just all the way exactly do just do it. I just had a question about the juice sky. vis-a-vis I love this vis-a-vis working with Brennan Fraser. Do you think they were talking about in the Sinoe man for sure like? Have you talked to polly lately? About talking. About Mitzi before they're asking. Someone frozen and left behind the time. Hey saw you do in the mummy and there's a couple of weasel easily scared characters I could do either one. Hey. Did you hear that Sean essence going to be in Lord of the Rings? You're right because fellowship was like what two thousand one. Yeah, it's two years away. They must have had talked about Lord of the Rings on the set of the mummy. Guaranteed D.. is everybody's I. Rachel Vice Joint that they remember right back. This is I think. This is a breakout and you know. She ended up being amazing amazing actress. I mean she's. She's an up and down career for sure now she's an at a height I think she is one of the best though to me I I will watch a movie almost only because she's in it. Sometimes for sure I mean that's kind of why well no, I I was about to say. Sebastian ellios disobedience, it's her and Rachel McAdams. She's really great in that. She sadly always like the dead or dying wife like the constant gardener, she, she's very good in it, but she's like the dead wife, and the foul into you guys should start like a Rachel Weisz podcast Weiss in the juice The. Jews we would be explaining the start of every single episode the title of this. We get cameo. Paulie shore saying it and ended as the INTRO. There you go. I mean she's. She's great in so much shit. I love that she's working multiple times now with Mr Yorgos Latham OHS, 'cause. She's fucking great in the favorite. She's great in the lobster Oh, but there's some there's some she was in Aragon. She was in the lovely bones. She's an Oz the great and powerful dude. One of the worst thing Sam Raimi's ever done in his life. The red claws stay tuned for sure ooh. Bush! Also still haven't seen the odds, great and powerful. That at the it was actually. Yeah I saw it at the Ziegfeld in Chelsea and I took my younger sister, and it was like she was visiting the cities as like be. Hold our Great New York movie palaces, and then we watched fucking Oz, the great and powerful crazy. We know each other so well that I remembered where you saw that movie. It is pretty great dude. Say. It was kind of flattering. This, I mean again actually looking. Their, being open to picture, I'm like there's those eyebrows like you do miss, they're. They're very expressive. It important to her face. They really are, and it's fucking ridiculous that they had to like. Modify her for this movie man. There are a lot of stay tunes on here. Through the filmography chain-reaction, we're GONNA. Do One day for Sirkin. Let's do a month right wisely, choose. Yes that you actually if we could all right, that's a great idea. That's this way. We don't have to explain it to everybody, but we could do a licensed the juice month. Because chain-reaction is definitely on there, I'm telling you right now fred. Credit clause is definitely on their ream house. Oh Dream House absolutely. That's trash. Honestly. The mummy returns is away worst movie than this. That could be in why. Runaway jury is trash. She's envy with Ben Stiller and Jack Jack. I, don't I mean I. Think She's Great. I don't know what she's doing anywhere near a comedy. Honestly like just do not. She's fine and funny, but all that stuff, but like just not something that yeah absolutely. And then as dream house there, it is cabin. You're right, but yeah. That's four and. Of course all right there. We go why the Jews could totally have. I love that. We got to the bottom of that. so they're breaking up Brendan. Fraser he's got this huge wig on because he has to show, and then they have to. Is this when the? I'm too sexy montages when they cut his hair and wash. I wished instead. It I'm sitting here. Like why is he being sentenced to death oh man. If you've got like I'm I'm so sexy, but like on a violin. Timea scissors are trying to cut. Oh, fuck! Him coming out in all different archaeologist outfits at her and John like no, no, yes, yes, picking the different kinds of heroin. He's going to take on voyage Oh God from the local medicine. It's medicine. So, yes, so he is sentenced to death by hanging. He is indeed hanged in this film. But his neck doesn't break. He almost died here by the way they enter acetate him because they fuck us up. To the IMDB, Tribune I read that today, and it's like I'm like. The true yeah, that's a good call, yeah! It might be I mentioned. Do you think it was mentioned on like a commentary or something? Sure or just something? Well? That's great, though that's a great talk, show story. Yeah, no, you're totally right. Bring the couch, but but. Why did they need? Why did they have a person like they're back to them? Holding the thing and just have a one shot of him like looking like he's suffocating and I'll tell you cabin. That's a great question you bring up especially, because one of the affects things that I wanted to point out and praise this movie for is the the thing where it's supposed to be imhotep Arnold. vosloo mummy character Mo tap is sneaking into Rachel vices, bedroom and he. Can turn into sand with US movie, which whatever but he he turns into sand, and the effect is. They're just shooting a bunch of sand through a keyhole. And then they cut to the bed, and there's Arnold Vosloo. There's terrible CGI. It's just a great old school like here's Bela Lugosi, but before that there was just a bad puppet. You know it's that kind of a thing and it was really Rad. Why couldn't they just use the magic of film? Editing not hang your fucking. That's right Brench Jeffer-. Oh Yeah your close. Aren't you cuts? He's hottest fuck in this movie he. Yeah get Outta town duties. It's the best ever looked like I think on top of Encino Man. He looks better in this movie. He's perfect for this movie. He gets it. He gets everything just right. It's like it's square jaw. There's a wink everywhere. I don't know who could do this exact. Even I'm not crazy about it. Really good yelling. Yes, lots of yelling and he does it well, and he hits all of his comedic moments very well I think because Brennan Fraser is I mean. He's the perfect guy for this kind of a role. I mean he reminds you of like the Jock in high school. That was like he broke. The stereotype was like friendly with everybody like just a nice big lovable dude, kind of thing like this is the kind of like not asshole action star. That is great to watch. You know. I really. Really wish. He hadn't like massively heard his backer on one of these movies. What was that story? He told the kind of recently how he like forked up his back horribly, and that's why. When everybody was like Weird Brendan Fraser. He was like not able to work. Yeah, he's. He's good. I mean really really good. What the best part of that doom patrol show which I'm slowly getting through them. I'm actually quite enjoying, but he's. He is like the reason to watch that show for sure, but he's just doing a voice of a robot. Voice works fantastic. That's pretty cool, though he is good in the sense, I canceled rectify. which is a great show and he's got a really good small. Show where that guys like released from jail after a long time in the whole episode him like jerking off and going like. I I I. I. Thought that part, but maybe. Recently No, is that right? That's another showtime property I ignore. That's right. I mean, but you know. He had missed emphasis like anybody else. I'm looking Georgia. The jungles stay tuned for that saw that Shit in theaters. They save him She barters with this guy who's like the word. Enter whatever and basically says hey. I'll give you twenty five percent of the treasure if you do. If you let this guy go, and we'll find well. Just go on a treasure hunt. Yeah, exactly so it's like so we are. We're going on the train. We are looking for the book of Amoun Raw. Ev wants to find it. You know it's made of gold, supposedly and we are. We're going to is this. Is this supposed to be the Nile by the way I assume? Down a river, the way this opens with the Pyramids and the Sphinx. Let's. It's denial, yeah! I don't know they don't specify, but I'm saying how obvious they are with their cultural touchstones shoe shoe. Then, there, on this boat with a a competing team of archaeologists, the League of Hunks will call these guys league of Hung's some of the dumbest character all. Of these actors look at. They've got the third base with Elaine Benes like they all look like Seinfeld Hunt You. Totally right. Everyone of these American explorers sponge worthy et. No, no, there's one guy. Okay because all legal punks have to have one. But there's exactly you're gonNA. Say One guy who looks like Jeremy Piven plus about fifty pounds. Say Wait a second so just say how he dies, he dies. He's the last of the Hawks to die. Yeah, he's. He's the dude who's like murdered in the street. Yeah Yep. That's exactly what I thought you're going to say. He's also the guy who stepped on the bug in a sound of thunder yes. Oh really oh shit, but yeah, this gang of nerdy hung's they are being led by. Bennie is alive. And this is where the guy from Richie rich and drew monje and previous episode and condos well. This guy worked a lot in the nineties He's like they're. They're expert. There Egyptologist expert kind of a guy. Who did he play in? Anaconda. He's an Anaconda. You played the posh British. Guy The. Guy Who hosted the show? Okay okay, so yeah, so these hunks and our team of heroes are on the steamship. And we see there's a shot of some dudes. Rowing a boat toward the steamship so we guess that you know the ship is about to be boarded here and this is what they're. The most like I mean. This is almost A. Lot last crusade like shot for shot. Like you know what I mean like we're not do. It's just this. This league of dudes that fucking up this archaeology thing. Yeah, yeah, they eventually the the ship goes on fire, but like this this piece, the one of the beginning like I think the action is pretty solid in this movie and it's it's a breath of fresh air from the pirates movies, which got confusing, because they leaned into the for the battles in those and this, it's like stored fights and shit. Yeah, I mean the editing in this movie the way that they. The editing overall, but the editing. The action editing specifically is much better because it's much more traditionally paste so I was thinking exactly this Eric when I was watching it again like I can watch this and comprehend what I know. What everybody is doing in this scene? I. You know that's that's exactly why my rating of this has gone up. Significantly is because I just watched five weeks of pirate movies, Ryan. No idea what anything was happening. Everything takes fucking forever. Breezy Fun Winkle action scenes that just don't that are just fun and clear totally. So these dudes attack and whatnot I love old man, rich of fucking jams candle into that dude's I. Yeah, he gets it. That's a pretty sweet. The brother like goofball comedy mode accidentally like kicks this guy, but then the guy falls onto a couch. That's on fire now. He's on fire. Too I'm not crazy about Brendan Fraser's to guns. It's a touch too cool for this movie I I'm on board with Amanda. Kinda reminds me of definite stay tuned last man standing with Bruce Willis Oh yeah, where he's. He's got that shootout with the double guns. He's fucking naked in the bathtub for as I've been calling it Yo Jim Bo. Aso Previous episode Laura Croft. Mara Prom. By the way, stay tuned off. so yeah. The boats on fire man everybody jumps overboard, but we so we get to. The city again. Yeah, we we. There's a cool I. Oh, yeah, the the way they get. There I thought was read the meet up and like you know it's like sunrise, or whatever and you know they're like. Oh, we're about to be shut. Brendan Fraser's were about to be shown the way and I I guess. Is it I mean it's sort of magic, but like a desert. Oasis kind of looking affect your Mirage kind of thing occurs where it's like Oh. That's where the thing is. You have to wait for the right time of day to see it kind of a thing. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, what if it's cloudy morning? Your Sol dude totally do just gonNA fuck and put up tent cabin. Wait till the sun comes out bad. Yup, Turn Pretty Nice Oh. Yeah I'm pitching a tent and this movie did. So yeah, they all. They're like racing to get to the city and everything to Love Kevin J. O'Connor is definitely trampled by camel in the scene dude. He should be dead because he was under, he went under the wheels. Under the WHO Roger Rabbit? You can't kill a cartoon. You'd have to kill. Dip Now. Like Morton Joe. Like having a tons and tons of Campbell's getting milked in a facility. Damn that'd be pretty cool. So, yeah, they get to the city and everything. They go into the temple. There's a great line there. Like what was this room for and. I think it's Is it Rachel visor John One of them is like this is where they made the mummy. The mummy machine baby. We're going the movie. The movies are going to be here. But. Basically racing against each other they both kind of hit the same place, and it's like all right. We'll we'll go downstairs. That's where the real good stuff is. You guys take the upstairs kind of thing we right right. We get a very solid from Brendan Fraser a good here. We go again. Yeah, it's alright. Yeah, because he's. He's returning to the city, which I think is also a lot like from the trailer for the second one. He says it like early on Oh. Is it like a I got a bad feeling about the? We also have like a campfire scene where where he's describing like American crew lost a few diggers, because of these ancient booby traps that melted them with salt acid a will that happens right here because rich devices like worry about it, we'll dig somewhere else, and then like the dude from Jumanji makes all these like day. Laborers that are with them, because the Americans are about to do the American de Guys I love this movie it. There's such yeehaw. Cowboy Idiots like there's a joke on the steamship. Where like yeah, they're obsessed with guns Leia. They're shooting at all of these people like yeehaw, young and shit. The one guy, looks like the game of thrones actor Nick Low cost wash, or whatever the fuck. Well the Great Dane. The reason is you. Don't you know it's not him because he's in a movie that you've seen yeah? Yeah. That dude's made some poor choices. His career is insane. I mean most of the fucking people from that show. It. We'll, get it. Might be on top actually. Jason Momoa got out easy like he got out early says he could. He could build off the cachet of the show now that the show's over. Everyone's like I was in retrospect, not not the best. But the League of hugs remind me very much of speaking of Dracula those dudes at the, end of Dracula that are hanging out Anthony Hopkins like well, let's. Let's. All I fucking for God about that. Yeah, there is a weird team at the end of that movie there is. Do they all talk like the Roger Rabbit? Bullets. It's close. It's close to the not curious, honestly, autorite. Let's I've got six of by friends here to get you track you. Listen son, we. The order of Boop knew this day would come. Full it's from Roger. Rabbit would try to get. BOOP Every. minute. Betty boop I haven't seen you since you fought against the civil rats. What are you doing all this boardwalk? We're both on useless, poorly printed eighteen. Oh Africa. who were supposed to be killed right now? Betty boop wise your captured have something about oral sex children around. Get Dirty Dude Oh. Betty boop! Of course all lives matter. That t shirt with Bart Simpson. Stone Saddam to get fucked. Betty boop says Ayatollah as. Oh the boardwalk. What a horrible place for American life what you do dave. Her. No notable so yeah, we should say the The the Jailer Guy Decides to go off on his own hunting treasurer and he finds A. Wall of scarab jewel looking things, and he starts picking them off one by one, and he drops one in the sand, and it comes to life and dude. This fucking guy gets like a scarab like burrows into his foot, and it's like under his skin, and it crawls up into his brain starts making them crazy because it goes, I mean. Here's the thing you know for a fact because it's going up. It's like Oh fuck. Oh, fuck at it goes. Pass is a little relief for at least a second like. Go My brain take me out. Do take me out of the game. He's going to be like you know what I'm dead, but thankfully. Before I died. My Dick wasn't eating off all right. I'M GONNA. Stop it when it gets to my chest. Okay, here we go here. We go obvious that. The characters in this movie I'm like. Why didn't you shoot yourself in the head Oh for sure. Absolutely, but yeah, so, Eric. This is where those American dudes the Legion of Hunger, but to open this panel and the guy from Germany. She's like These people that we're paying nothing to be here with us. They're the ones that do it and they open it and their fucking faces. Start melting off because we are told it was salt acid. YIKES! ooh, win ago pretty cool death there, and then the they Brendan, Fraser Jonathan, and which Rachel vice find the mummy underneath. They find the the book upstairs. They find the mummy himself. Like a mummy. Well they. It's actually interesting because she's reading the office. And you know there's no name on it. It says it's literally he that shall not be named so it's Kinda crap like the whole movie is written like the boring parts of this movie. It's like the right. The writer I wasn't summers. Who wrote this? It's him and somebody else I like they must have just read like a travel guide history about like the area because it's just like every while that I. Did you know that this area of Egypt? Practice by the Pharaohs, is this, don't you know? And like it's just like they're. Plotting like. Yes, we did the research. This is convincing. Right? Come on fuck. Ended up pigs. You, know what Dude I. was that fucking fat pig trough to do you want to give me cool ancient Egypt factoid? I will listen to that I. One hundred percent listen to that by the way confirmed there were three people with screen story credits. Mr Summers someone named Lloyd Fawn veal and someone named Kevin Jari. but summers is the only one with a screenplay credit. Yeah Real Passion Project. Dude love's Mommy's man. We're going to tell you I was looking at Alexander Stephen Silvers I. Would you be? He directed and wrote the revenge of the mummy. The ride appreciate videotape. Before the Universal, Orlando's revenge of the mummy ride I'll talk. Brendan Fraser's in it dude quick question. Has Anyone taken that ride I? Have I remember the universal a? Little Kid not to address it because I know fifteen people on twitter tweet at US believe they don't know that right. I went there once. In the only time I went there that the movie had not come out yet. I've never see I've never found the right, but I do remember very clearly remember that like scrawl whenever you had a VHS of a universal movie with like all the good movies in the in the letters. Yeah, yeah, I have that stamped on my brain forever. I, haven't seen jaws yet, so I just saw a shark was. Sharp. Better title for that movie by the way. Yes, so there's. The dudes have their faces melted there and then this is where the magic dudes role in again they start fucking firing on everybody. Brendan Fraser uses a stick of dynamite as bargaining, chip and dead fairs like. All, right fine. Don't blow everybody up. You've a data fucking. Get Out of town. And then there's Oh man. You know not a great scene in the movie. I don't need it. 'cause you know what we know what these movies are. They will fall in love eventually I. Don't need them fucking drunk. On this Glenn Levitt. kind of flirt with each other and everything, especially, because the brother finds it in the backpack of I think Kevin J. O'Connor made no, no, it's The the fact guy who died. Oh, it's jailer guy, okay, and he. He's over broken glass then his drinking out of the same glass bottle way up with. Broken right now. During quarantine, and all like yeah, if my, if I break my bottle of whisky I'm GONNA. Figure it out. But then you get a little bit of salt, acid on the tip of that thing like then on Sunday. Jonathan's out of here and I'm happy well, no! A little more burning going to hurt nobody okay. You are right that like this movie has way too many scenes like this, and it just bogged the whole thing down I think we go to some hotels later and it sort of. They're trying to do the Kerry grant thing around the hotel this and that and it's just too much. It could be a tight, ninety five, and be a really good or even a buck. Forty of I'm good. You know but yeah. She's just wasted. And she almost kisses him and passes out ED. Thankfully there's a look of like. I'm just not. GonNa do anything here from Brendan Fraser Shore Absolu-. Night that she spots the Americans. Have the book and she's like Oh. You need the key. And then she steals and reads a passage as We can just get to that because sure, here's, but yeah. Yeah, she reads. Here's the thing. Here's a tip. Here's a life lesson. Kids never read from the book of the dead. Yeah especially like on site either you WanNa. Take that to a secondary location. Yep, like a museum. I Dunno a fucking army barracks. Something, that's not the evil city of the dead, never the book of the dead in the city of debt. Take to a cabinet in the woods. Yet it worked out. Fine for those people are listening to it on tape. Read by charming professor. Exactly. But, yes, so fucking love it right here though she reads it and then like the mummy, you see the mummy wake up in back in the tomb and the Jumanji Guy Fucking freaks out he's. From Liberal. Yeah, it's Kinda. Great also question so when they find this sarcophagus like it just falls, and it lands like. Horizontally. Why are we in these movies? Because the same thing happens in the karloff movie, why are we opening these sarcophagi while they're standing up? Yeah, let's put lay down. And that's that's. That's how they look. These guys are like spring loaded ready to come out. What do you want bad the? WHO's got bad? These the mummy frazier. Running all this time, he hasn't given anybody he his. He left his heroin in the boat. Well then he definitely shouldn't be lifting up a sarcophagus to position at vertically just to open it and regional vice gets hit in the face with a skeleton also goodwin. So a shit ton a local come. They run into the temple. Do this first guy that each shit. This Mr Burns because there is an outright but my glasses. Joke this move Velma joke. His glasses fall out, and then what he doesn't eat entirely. The takes his eyeballs and his tongue. Pretty Great. Mr Burns walking around with the sockets open pretty. It was a pretty great moment. Actually think Rachel. vice-like walks in on him and. He's like my is you fucking screams and then like the mummy. The mummy comes out right here. It does not look good. But then she's like. Wait a second mummy. What's happening and she turns back to this burns guide. He's like so it cut out my. Eyes, look really bad. And I thought they just put gum over his. Is that I? Didn't look like a socket. It's like CGI trying to a soccer, but it looks like just like a flat panel over it or something, but right it's. There's a light in the skull Chris, if they covered in blood, it would maybe look okay. Yes, also the mummy I wanNA press the button just to get to the next level like honestly like I see this this this cinematic before we're going to go. I want to ask you a question. You're the resident glasses. If you, drop your glasses in a hallway and bobby after you. Everyone's running away like you would stay. Why not just fuck bumble? You're like run forward. Who can help you hit some? When you get an eye exam and the doctor tells you need glasses. He gives you a protocol. You glasses fall off no matter what your vision is enough to fall to your knees, and and Pat Ground nearest you to find your glasses. Step on them Gosh Mike. You won't even have the decision. It's just going to be reflexes. Thank you. Don't worry about it. I would very much appreciate if the mummy had to wear glasses the rest. Oh. He's because he's got. Mr. Burns bad is, and then he can do like. Oh, you wouldn't hit a guy with glasses which? That's. And also it's weird. It's cool that like he has to reassemble himself, but none of Arnold. Vassal exists what I'm here for man. Yeah, there is more Vosloo in the second mental, so you know what I want I want. VOSS LOU fucking wrapped up in bandages. That's what I wanna see I'm sorry. I would rather see a fucking person than this flocking like. Jar Jar binks skeleton. Well I I will say the visit again. Like 'cause in the the karloff movie, you've got like the mummy for a little bit, but once that motherfucker I mean the same thing happens like he eventually just as walking around like Boris Karloff for sure, he builds back up. That's the problem with doing this. As an action adventure movie is like the mummy is slow. Yeah, this is a movie like it's Wilford Brindley now walking. The mummy should be lace. This is while the move. This movie is slow. The mummy's little fast fast mummy moves despite this you take an hour to the fucking mummy and a guarantee Boris Karloff was busted out those. Papers earlier. Karloff not so much a running mummy, though that's not he's. He's but how long does it take you to the fucking mummy in the original? kind of as long as this. Maybe maybe less because it's a short movie like percentage of the movie. Wise probably just. yeah, apparently escape the. The Mummies Frazier Brendan Fraser also the mummy at the the Glenn of going to some hotel the it's kind of amazing that they bring Oh. My God I can't believe whatever Mr Brooks whatever that guy is. If we're out on the town, we go on vacation. Do One of these great shows that we're going to do in the fall. You know like we go, and at the show. Someone stabs my eyes out and takes tongue out I. would I would hope Deshaun one of you. What have you it stick around as opposed here? We're going out of the bar. We'll see later. or You need anything Steve or would. How yeah, you're good, right? We're just me and me. And Chris and Eric was good down. You know I'll be honest with you. It's probably going to turn into two or three drinks I know they said one. Tired. Really Hard Day, Steve It's going to be fine. We're it smashed. Banana your bowl later tonight. I need someone to read me a books. Worry. This area is really nice. We're just GONNA. Leave you here to roll around. Yeah, no, it does kind of suck that like right down to the Barbeque, man, his movie. I mean because we're like we've been talking to the past few days about how we're supposed to be unto a right now. We're not and like they're just drinking. This hotel bar was like. Not only do I miss bars, and not only do I miss hotels, but boy do I. Miss Hotel Hotel Bars of superfund Oh man, oh, man, So there's a there's a dumb argument here. We don't have as much time on it, but like Brennan. Fraser's basically like I'm done. You know I, told you. I was GONNA fuck, and get you out there and get you back. That's. That's what I did. We're good to go and she's like he's trying to like packers. This is more of the monkey business Bring a baby kind of thing. Where like he's trying to like pack her suitcase for her. She's unpacking it kind of thing missing the weird Jewish scene with Kevin j O'Connor and the religious things when you saw what Chris I wouldn't say. I'm missing it. Totally I I noticed the cabin and I was happy to breeze by my notes. Go right ahead. It's a huge moment because it's when he becomes indebted to 'EM, Hotel and It starts off. Totally. Find Gag. He has across. It is like it's like you know the power of Christ. Yada Yada Yada, and that the cubes coming so now he's got all these other religious idols, and it's like going in all sorts of different languages. Hoping one of them will stick. Character the mummy notice. He's got betty boop on his t-shirt. The mummies. Betty boop Boardwalk Shirt G. T. how. No but that he's like. Oh, he starts speaking Hebrew and he's got a star of David. The and this is all in a subtitle The language of slaves y'all covered and the. totally. Dude. The more of an effector if we're going to backtrack and talk about this scene in the middle of both of those options you guys talked about. He holds up a tiny Buddha and fucking as subtitles call, it starts spouting Asian Jebron. It's quite terrible. CR fucking Scooby Doo animation damnation episode by the way for more of that Shit, but that's definitely going on in this movie, and he's definitely fucking doing a voice a little bit. Hachi Macci, Ladies and gentlemen. The Clinton Wild West years. but yeah, so they're in this bar. Where we cut to like there's this dude Winston, who's like this British imperial is like Royal Air Force officer. Leftover guy this character. He's drink fucking wrong. Yeah, he represents the decay of the empire, and the you know the it's definitely ending. He's a British pat single a little bit. Yeah, definitely British panhandle, you'd act named Winston. Just to give it a little punch like justice is totally great. Churchill's a piece of shit now so. I was All depends depends on who you ask man. I, BET We think Gary Oldman would have to say that I would rather not know. Yeah. Oh, wait, who cares anyone from India I'm sure have a good. Retort for you. but so yeah, so imhotep in Benny. Find this. Vulcan, Burns Dude and finish the job on this guy. Everyone's getting till like the mummies powers. He turns everybody in the Mrs Bates Corpse from psycho. Yes, everyone's getting fruit-seller this move. I think it's really funny. How the mummies like men and I really liked that I guy yeah? A body with that I. WE'RE GONNA have to find that one. Can't be home until I get Mr. Byrne it's something something. They're holding onto jars that have his essence or something. That's true. Because the Americans they took all these jars from the the city, and apparently it's like all. This is all the great stuff I need. Yeah, it's all they're like hat shaped. Carriage or Carter if you can get me more. PUMPS! We have right here I would just eat these hunger now go get me the hops. Bring me the hung. These brings back way night is what did I. Tell You what did I tell you? See nobody cares. So they'll. Do A shot to Mr Burns or something like that back at the bar and everyone like takes a sip and spits out immediately and they're like A. we know that taste precisely. We're drinking blood for some. Yes. I love it God not again. But the realizing here is as. I think dead fares. Character mentions later on that like or maybe has already mentioned it. I don't know that with the return of IMHOTEP will also be the ten plagues of Egypt so all of the water of Egypt turning to blood, and we thankfully have the character of Jonathan who whenever the next like plague thing happens this motherfucker like sites from the tax like what the actual lines are like referring to the specific. When the you know, the bugs come or like when the boils. Come like this guy's right there to quote scripture. All the research we got. Talking about to watch the movie, how about that? Shit fucking frogs man I want those frogs, Mary, a frog, big problem and Aimee Mann Song To. Exactly. William H macy climate of fuck inside of a house falls over. Oh. Here's a dumb thing. The mummy scared away by cans. Yes, also so yeah, the the mummies to ritual vice, and like they're shooting at him. Nothing's happening. This white cat comes out who rules. His is hilarious and he he leaves that cat by the way is now part of the team every time every time we're going somewhere. I'm bringing that fucking cap. Get works. Yep, that's true. Because Brennan, Fraser Literally uses the cat a few minutes later as a weapon and I was like put that fucking mangy animals in a bag and take it with you on this adventure. Do this all you need. They should recruit like a cat lady like a local Cat Lady. And like throw the cats at. Simpson's character. She's just like sitting on a camel riding around with a sack, hanging up at hocken cats at people. We need the cat. Food. Newspaper just the cats. There's a great moment here where we see that IMHOTEP is following the Jumanji guy around meanwhile. Brendan Fraser as Rick Finds. Benny is in this hotel as the mummies like laying siege to it, and he fucking throws a chair across the room at this dude, it's breathtaking. It's great, and he's like lifting him up like the undertaker tried to decapitate them and a ceiling fan. That's kind of fun. I loved every second of Brendan. Fraser Bullying Kevin J O'Connor in this movie. It's fucking great. but yes, Oh, Benny as it turns out. Benny and the mummy are looking for the book of the Dead Horse. The. Mummy guy is murdered. And at this bird, the mummy, the Manga guys is murdered, totally sucked dry. And, now he's like Kinda. Like Arnold Vosloo he didn't last five seconds or you're saying. No No, no, no did not. He could not discuss five seconds with me. You won't this. And in this hotel. IMHOTEP goes on a real suck. because. After he sucks off the. Guy That goes back to who I titled. American Hong Three. He's it's totally fine to suck off American honk seem just say. Yes No, no problem with that at all. I'm just saying that's what's that's literally what's happening in the and it's a direct line from this. Ain't the mummy xxx. Well the one guy, haven't here you're? The guy you claim is the ugliest one in the group. He's the guy who has. The ready, the mummies hunting down all the people that were in that temple and sucking them dry. And I was like okay. You said it I. Got Loose. But yeah, this this dude is the guy. He kind of looks like I don't know the guy's name, but he is Kurt. Russell Son. Who was in like? Everybody wants some among other. Yeah. He's the guy that we also said looks like. Nicolas coster while over the OH. Okay so. Now. What it is. That's just funny. there. Lancaster. This dude, the Great Dane himself not himself actually. This guy who looks like him He's whipping his gun around like kind of playing around. Just get sucked dry. Yes, just suck dry. The mummy knocks on. The door sucked dry. Don't worry about it. I feel so immature this episode. Maybe it's quarantine, madness but Lord Almighty. Dry It took ten years to finally feel immature on this show. Interesting I'm finally embarrassed. But this is the part where they have the the practical effect of the sand going through the door because it's where he goes after Evey again and this is this is where Brendan Fraser's like Hey. I'll go or whatever advocate throws. The cat is face Arbas's like. A cat just runs away again. I'm putting that cat on a leash and we're hanging out. You know we're all going around and you can totally pare down your team at this point to. Yes, exactly don't need all these hunks. Oh Man! There should have been a Halloween Garfield special where he just bullies the shit out of the mummy. Man Come on Mommy. Don't you on some Lasagna? Oh, you got some spaghetti sauce on your toilet paper. Your breath stinks the me I'm a Garfield joke. That's the only time Garfield ever is just cuts to orson the pig the barnyard ask. Nobody could use I, always like those little. Friends. Break from the fucking monotony of Garfield Everyday Existence Oh. Remember anyone being sucked off on it, but it did have a cock- as a character true. So yet. They are trying to get Outta this hotel. Meanwhile, they realized there's a group of folks chanting imhotep, and here's the boils and sores. These guys now are were told her IMHOTEP slaves. They're basically like the living dead trying to break down the door to the museum. The whole thing is you know the black. The we're told. The black book brings people back to life and the gold book that they need to find can kill the mummy as the missed the part where IMHOTEP goes around and stokes all of their worst fears at this is GonNa make Egypt great again and now these people are indebted to him no matter what he does, they will just follow them around chanting Imo. Good him out of. Betty, boop is here. I Hate Cats I. Way To do it. It's just fucking. Shove a cat. That dude's face. Oh! Oh Fuck. That'd be awesome. Horrendous Allergy to cats and death folks simple of death. Wade add being grab babe, Pussy. so they orig- advice reads from. The other book that apparently this gold book is inside the Statue of Horace, which I appreciate this, even though it seems like a little bit of busy work in the movie, all we have to do is go back to Hamanaka. A again compared to those pirates movies where it's like. Oh, here's a clue to go to this place. That's only a clue to go to this place to do this thing and that's glued. Go to this. This is like it's fucking. Two locations, not tra- at its Cairo and that's Eddie. The ancient scroll says we built that set. We'd better use it. Written by the ancient wise one the production design. And now a reading from the budget. But this there. There's a little bit of a car chase here. They all like jump into Jonathan's car and the the mummy and his goons like you know, get the descend on the car, trying to pull them out or whatever, and then this is where Chris's favorite character. The ugliest man in America falls out of the CAR. And I thought for a minute I was going to get a Shaun of the dead Ripa Mope and Be, situation that's a that's. That's a question I text you guys when I was watching it like. Are these guys actually? Is this dude being eaten like? How is he actually meeting his end well? He's getting sucked dry. Last his the last person to get sucked dry I'm second. Pay You're a lawyer. No we juice guy gets ripped apart that will that sorry I'm conflating deaths right here. We had two deaths back to back. Yes, the guy, the the ugliest guy in the world just gets. He just gets killed by image up is sucked dry just like everybody else and at that point it now. He looks it's full. Aren't boss Lou? There's no CGI and his face or anything like that 'cause for a while. It's that obnoxious like it's mostly Arnold Vosloo except they think it's cool if you can see through his cheek. Uh, I thought that was Kinda cool. Man I just the I would prefer that to the whole like skeletal Zombie Zone. I definitely prefer it to that. I just think like the CGI isn't quite there for that Kinda Shit, but like that's what we were doing with CGI around then like you liked looking through things, but this movie specifically like the mummy. Here's the thing you could make that mummy totally practical effects from the jump except someone was like. Wouldn't it be cool if you could see through parts of? The and the answer is no yeah. I mean it's. It's always know also industrial light magic, so it's also like they're promising. The fucking skied everyone in the nineties. No you totally right but so they all escape into the sewer after that dude each. Very Hey kidnap! They kidnap bridge of Vice. She gets she does not make. The mummy tries to like the mummies doing some bad lying right here because he's like. Yeah, if you me, Rachel vise, I'll totally let all over. Friends live definitely to worry about that. Cool Mommy. What are you talking about? I'm just a traditionalist. I'm not a racist or a hatemonger of just a traditional isn't gonNA. Steal this woman to be my bride. I definitely won't kill any of you. I'm a cool mom. You got. Kids can drink in the fucking to. For you do hear that who knows. We can screen those the movies of the trains here and. Get some new stuff. Lumiere brothers right here. but this is where also reason the juice guys like. No, no like you get out of here. I'll fend them off. which is totally pointless. He could just as easily jumped down with these people, but you gotta start killing off this huge army of folks I. Guess, Yeah, the thing. The city has fair layer where it's like no no white characters I'll fed them off. You Go! Yeah, totally the mummy going away. says, or is it no lived out at fairs like no Brennan. Don't kill. These people live today. Fight Tomorrow, Brendan Fraser looks this mummy density. I and goes. I'll be seeing you again. It's pretty cool rainy. Bad Ass, stupid. Stupid, so they have to get back to Hamanaka. They hire our favorite British drunk Winston. Haluk words holds, and you know what when you need quick transportation into a dangerous situation, you want an elderly drunk pilot with nothing to live for down in the near death as well. Yeah, they didn't think this thing through like fair and John Hannah are just tied to each wing like they're fucking like their guns, essentially like there should be a second plane like come. What are we talking about? Yeah, maybe he's got like an old shithead like buddy, a his or something that can take more people. Oded Fehr knows how to fly a plane. You Got Planes Yada Yada Yada. Steve wants to planes in the middle of the desert, not one. I think this is where the movie stars like jump the Shark, a little bit with the fuck and San Tornado shed and like the mummies controlling the whole world. I honestly I started zone out and I feel really I got bogged down with the middle of this movie and I was just like okay. Let's get their the ending. Invite the fuck and mommy already the. Really Clumsy, and it's like the last level in the video game and this one too many things we gotta worry about. For me. yeah I disagree but we'll. Continue. Years were canceled. We can't self cancellation on this. I. Never did I dig on the San Tornado. The Guy Winstons like I've never seen one that big before you realize, and while I think the tornado thing is cool. This is dumb. This is how the mummy is Emma. Tip is taking Rachel Vice and Kevin J O'Connor with him like they're wrapped up in the tornado. 'cause he just like the tornado like poops them both out, and I was like I. Aren't you just vomiting? After that art your bones liquid yet all you see is Kevin Connolly spit out, but just saying like. As No, you'd be dead or like, you'd be able to breathe. Your eyes would be ruined for like ever since Davidson at the end of X. men. I mean they should be inside and for whatever reason like. You know the reason is mummy magic. They're just like sitting there like a couch or something is like well. This is actually pretty comfortable climate control. How about that? But yeah, they're spit out it's Kinda stupid whenever but so then the mummy is like oh man. They are like he spots the plane and Rachel vices like Oh. Oh, call. Everyone is yelling, fuck and O'CONNELL in this. Kind of annoying. Yeah, we're not happy about this. Dude does die the. Year old friend there, he just got. He's like. Let's go. Let's go off this adventure. Come on. No, but he. That's the thing that gets them fucking Horny for it. Those Steve is, he's like Brendan Fraser's something about like it's very dangerous. There's a good chance we're not gonNA survive in the guys like. Did, you just tell me I may finally fucking die out here. Yeah, let's do it like it's totally into it. So his wishes fulfilled because the plane crashes and Dead Fair, Brandon, Fraser and this the brother they're alive, and this poor old man is just dead in the cockpit covered in San. Well, guys. We have to do it for the old drunk now. That's really what we have to. We did. This guy died for us with this old? What's his name? I don't they should. They should of the debt on him and try to resurrect. How nice big fat mummy then he'd be like. Oh look. It's a big fat mom, it down talks Downer governor drink alcohol. You can most definitely hear him. That's not so much a shuffle as stomping gait. Oh, no, that's like a nineties, gross out comedy, and like it's using its own paper to wipe its ass. Exactly uses own wrappings as toilet paper I sure. He's a bad joke in. It would be like Oh look my left legs bigger than my right leg because I originalist! Let's not kill him. He looks like he's going to kill himself. Do it also like you know they go out for wings, and like everyone's using the mummies mummy's bandages for to wipe their mouth you. Do, that's as he gets a job all right. It's a different scenario. The mummy he gets a job at appleby. Short or job is just go around offers services as being like moving paper towel. atkin holder for people eating fucking endless rib limits, or whatever they sell it that research so big Guy I guess the guy from the order of the boop goes. Big that mommy into the bathroom. This do. Blows his nose into it. Oh and one last final insult for this poor old man after he dies in his plane crash, the credit of fucking plane at sub sinks in quicksand. Yeah, it's a thing where it's like Brennan Phrases Shit. He had a son or something I should really tell somebody when I go. Please remind me to tell someone when when we get back that. That guy's definitely dead at out here like all right. I remember like two months ago I was back at the hotel bar with Winston and he kept telling me. This is my son. Does a lot of hard drinking that night I really don't Oh. This is my son. Oh Winston Junior I remember. Let me call them up. Yeah. I left your dad to die in the desert. Body has been claimed by the sands and I did not bother to bring it anywhere, sorry. j-o-s-e lock the old bested won't and the guy hangs up the phones at the. so I love one of the great details. Here's a dead fair rips the machine gun off the plane and that's his the bat as weapons carrying around. It's pretty cool. It's clear I mean we go in and like there's a bunch of fun action. Stuff takes awhile. It's pretty much I mean there's no reason to go through. All of it highlights include a scarab, almost murdering Jonathan, but then Brennan Fraser caught. Sit Out of this man's chest. You GotTa do it, Dude! You just gotTa do it there and this is where I think Steve to your point about it. There was more like horror elements I'd be cool if I fucking saw this blood digging it out like Rambo taking out a bullet. I like my problem with the research. At at some point like your Detroit scarabs they at the at the early when they're explaining what they do, they eat very slowly. They like they picked Arnold. Vosloo apart in this chamber, and then like when you see them actually doing stuff. They threw him like and a chicken wing. True, it's so fast it that's kind of doesn't make sense. Chris I also eat chicken wings like a cartoon cat. All the way in bones out and I make a clicking noise while doing it. Own No the cat was in the plane and we didn't know it like it just got cut for time like Oh fuck. Would they bury the cat and the quick adding? That's our best weapon. It's like losing your gun in a battle. Or losing your glasses an attempt. So, yeah, there's a great thing we hear where they they'll. They reached this. There's a treasure room thing that we go through but then this. Dude he's got a little fucking mummy army here. I appreciate a lot of these dudes. These are the dudes, just impractical suits. Yeah, of course, they're CGI to be had, but there are a lot of guys just running around the mummy costumes around. It looks good. It does yeah, it totally does I do like it would have a vassal gives them on nod like. Oh, my Mummy Army Bank like hello gentlemen getting the ban bagging. Could just the old boys here guess what's? What's it been three thousand years? Fellows guess what we're. My girlfriend gets back. I'M GONNA. LET YOU WATCH ME BANGER! Knows is like no gentleman. This world is full of Hunks I. Promise You. Told resurrect you are. Oh, man hunks to beat the band in this. We are going to Bella rose plays. And you know we should say yeah. We were talking about like those American. Guys as the honks do not want to lose sight of the the prologue of this movie, all of the imhotep Prese and the Pharaoh's bodyguards. These are all. It's a fucking snack room. The goal the Goldman Group that we got going on here earlier on. The body paint doesn't do it for me, but the other guys totally fine. Sure some really built to who oh God it's crazy so yeah, th-the Arnold, Basu Mo DEP is trying to do. The ceremony is tied to a board with like the his lady friends mummy next to her again. This is straight up from the old universal movies. Got It trying to do a little body switch action here in? In the universal movies, I think they use the same actress to play the princess and the Modern Day character that would be interesting, because then it'd be like Oh like reincarnation. Is that a thing is? Destiny, but exactly dude and that's that's the way the original movie positions it because he looks at her like Oh, well, that must be her whatever and I think they do confirm she's a descended and this movie. The closest you get is that she fucking says that her mother is a Gyp Shin Question Mark and also is Jonathan's mother Egyptian as well like has I. I thought there was some stray line that she'll lose to like step or half brother who? In that same campfire scene, but I can't be certain that that's what she says Mommy is. Sees the first girl and he's like yeah. I'm my bride or whatever it's, it's Eric. He's been in a box for three thousand years, DUDE! Take Roseanne. May, maybe not excellent. That's a female hump. That's perfect from. That's one of those over here. Female Honky got more of these okay, so the mummy the Stein Tom Arnold in Roseanne Barr. Nineteen eighties mummy. So much cocaine went into that screenplay. There's a great move somewhere around here the China just like fucking grays. Hal and get out of this temple, and whatever but there's at that's what it is. The running from some of these mummies, and they're trying to close a doorway and Brendan Fraser. Has that that same stick of dynamite from earlier, and he uses a dead fair stubble, like is being able to light the match kind of a cool move. I have to say that felt very Indiana Jones. Yeah, or like Spaghetti Western Oh. Yeah, sure definitely. Earlier on the fat guy that eats it from bugs goes bugs I hate bugs at the CIA. Oh, that sucks I missed that. There was one point in this movie where I did 'cause I was racing against time to get the record on and everything, so I had to pee and I definitely did not pause it for like two minutes That might have been the bug smart dude. You didn't miss much. Fair enough. That's the army. It's getting bogged down. It's getting bogged down well, so we will keep going forward then so by the way I. Keep saying Oh dead fair. That's the actor. The characters are death bay, and so there were fighting, trying to get the the find this fucking book here and everything and then they're trying to get away, and this is where the bay is like. No, no, no, you white people go on and say behind. Behind kill all these mummies for you. It is more important that you live not high. Yeah, so the the ceremony going on Rick and Jonathan break into the fucking room. This is Brendan Fraser kicking some serious mummy ass in the scene pretty fun. Yeah, it's it's fun and you know the this. This probably goes on a little too long. Just fucking around a bunch. Here's a thing that I'm really conflicted about because I. Think it's very funny, but. It. Does you guys are correct? Add to the. Let's just fucking. Get to the end credits. He's fighting these mummies and there's a scene where like a moment in the scene where one mummy is trying to like, hold him down while another one drops a huge tablet on him. Yes, and it's fucking Hilarious, but I was like looking at the clock like guys. He kicks them on. He kicks a mummy in the balls to. That's kind of fun. Yeah I was curious about the mummy testicle situation at the NERDS. It just turns to dust, obviously Mummy BALZAC. You know what it looks like. If you kick them in the nuts, actually, Steve. What's that like? When baseball players like? Tossing the old pouch chalk. Sucked up and over like the Chuck Dust as you. Do the same chuck dust goes if that makes perfect sense. I mean so whatever man they're trying to read from the book. Whatever Jonathan reads a spell where there's all these mummies that he can control for a second, and he's like Hey, mummies! Why don't you go ahead and Fucking Kill Anoxia? anoc sooner Moore that's the the lady friend so they do that Mo hips Emma Tubs Viking pissed off about that. Where you know Rick, there's a dumb ass. Thing right here. This is the dumbest part of the movie. These go into the money's going after Jonathan and Brendan. Fraser comes in and cuts off his arm. And then there's the fucking dumb thing. We're UC ARNOLD VOSLOO just like pretending to push his arm back onto his shoulder. That's. Eric's certain industrial light and magic now could look amazing. You gotta put us many stupid effect. This movie is possible, but that's what I'm saying. Though there's no effect he, it's another like. The arm falls off and Brendan. Fraser's or Jonathan's like. Wow, look at that. And they run away and it cuts, and it's literally just Arnold Vosloo stretching his arm and holding a arnold. Hey Arnold yet stephen you good friend Steven Summers how you doing? Just Rub your arm like you've been working out a lot. Just rub it like that and and you know what we're, GonNa, do this. We're going to do this. Okay, let's go rolling every that's that's pretty much. What happened Kevin he's literally just like rubbing shoulder like Jesus slept on that raw. Yes we just fight. There is right here this final battle with Arnold Vosloo in Brennan Fraser for whatever reason. Arnold Vosloo is just down to underwear. Was fucking physically fit for the mummy. At the lowly Shit Dude. You see the fucking FIS on this before this. He's got like a big open, robe-like big like a Arnold Alfred Molina and boogie nights again, ask generally. It's the professional wrestler while he's still walking down the ramp. Is the big coat and everything, but yeah, this is like now. We're here for the main event. That fucking thing goes off at. This dude was fit as far for this movie. Just fight a little bit, or whatever they finally say the the rest of the lines from the book, and then this like horse lead chariot comes out of nowhere and steals Arnold Vosloo. Soul from him, or it looks like trash is not. This is like fuck at Disney's haunted mansion. Shit right here and it's tough, then the Oh, we thought we were GONNA kill him, but he's still alive, but then burnt pales them, and it's just it. Yeah. Those things took away his made him. Mortal is the idea. So, he drops down into some sort of can lazarus pit here says he gets a t t to ending. T to ending, but instead of I need a vacation. It's death is only the beginning. It's like he goes halfway into the under the skin pool. Yes, oh yet. So that's like Oh. Death is only beginning subtle sequel setup. But Adore the window, I'll be back, so it saves. xactly. He quotes Vigo. The CARPATHIAN got it got it. Exam! Today. While all this has been happening the dumb gag is we keep cutting back to Benny Kevin j O'Connor's character and he is in the treasure room. He's been you know putting a bunch of treasure into saks and trying to get this camel to help drag it all out and trick. Elmer fudd feel stuff from daffy duck. Totally Dude, it's he's really causing some mischief. I'll now is the time to trick Elmer fudd. He's no longer pack and he. Oh that's right, dude! What's this new Hobby GonNa? Be think complaining about it. Your. Alex Jones. Here I think new hobby. He's going to be being crisis. Actor made to protest or whatever liberal values they're shoved into. These loans liberal tunes catching bid with. RULED ANNOUNCE INFO. Info Fund. That's definitely with that station. Thank you Alex I love your show. Finally I can get on a platform and express my opinion without feeling. You might as well make cash mania endeavour not spin. On you. And around all of my former CO workers and bugs still gets. tweety still lives in a K.. Let me. Ask you this helmet. As upset I am that I have to buy a DVD of gone with the wind instead of having streaming. Exclusively watch movies on HBO Max and took up a favorite movie that I definitely could, but will not stream on ten other. Let me. Ask You. Is there any worth having any other streaming service? That doesn't have the word Max unit. I'll be honest with me. It's not. Now, isn't it true that streaming rights and licensing of surtitles titles? Distributed! That's that's and that's impending my freedom. Call it matters amendment right net bax. Man So yeah they. Kevin J O'Connor accidentally hits the self destruct button for this temples. You know, so we better get move. You know but he is left behind in the treasury room to be fucking hilariously picked apart by these scarabs in the dark. I could use a little more I mean obviously, it's a kid movie for kids, but like obviously the thing like all the lights go out, and all these scarabs come out and. Does scream in pain which I appreciate week. It's a really great blood curdling scream. It'll be fucking awesome. If all of a sudden, you heard a clicking sound. Like A scarab was realizing one of the torch. Just so all the like the scared community could gaze upon their work and be like. Wow, we really fucking eight that guy or you can even do the blackout gag or The IT goes black. And then he goes. It's it by Esso. At least you get a little bit more of a visual image yeah. Stephen we We love this the mummy. You have done it again I mean this is a Lotta Fun. It is a lot of fun all around one note. The end of the movie when your character Benny. which is a character, I, just fell in love with screams. It's in my ass home. When the lights go out, YOU'RE GONNA! You'RE GONNA have to cut that out universal pictures does. Not Support Bug's gone and people's asses. Son Buck off I walk. That's the most important. See the movie, So yeah. We're GONNA keep. Altogether what are you talking about man? The whole movie is working towards Kevin J O'Connor getting a scarab borough up and. Read the tax. It's right there. Yeah. I did all the British razors stuff, but that was just sad stuff. That's the Broccoli and mashed potatoes man. Jail Carter's. That's all. Release the asshole cuts yet again we keep asking. Every. Movie has what apparently. We should have like a pov shot of those like scared, going down and going right up into his. Like a nice little. Swoop God. And then it goes dark. Yes, that'd be great dude. You know what you could do. You get a tape recorder. Go out to one of the old like through tellers at a bank where you put the little thing on the tube because. That's the sound you should capture. Literally it ends like uncut gems begins because you follow this thing. Yes? I would love that Dudayev pulling a reverse uncut gems. So whatever man everybody escapes, Turns Out Bay has lived to fight another day because it's just. Very well, they're like. You gotta get that hung back. Thing I forgot. What is with the Ghost, chariot? That's what we were talking about do. That's the thing that looks like something out of haunted mansion takes talent I thought you were talking about the soul wave thing others to couple is a couple of things that happened there. Yeah, yeah, whenever the shit is crawling out of the pool now. Yeah, the Cherry it. Wouldn't it be great if it was just one thing the one? That yeah, it's clear. I still don't know what that pool is. That Seoul do not know what the so pool is, either, but you know what's crazy. It's two weeks in a row where we're talking about movies with Seoul pools by the way that's true, Scooby Doo had one. We like I remember the pool is in the early when they take the soul out of the girlfriend early on the chariot thing. I just don't know what that is. It's really out of left field and doesn't work. Nobody knows what it is. Does that matter seen chariot scene Steven. Summers will because you can't even see who's driving it. You can just SORTA. Make out like three horses that the federal. I mean maybe it's supposed to be chariot. That would make sense if the Pharaoh saticoy back like you. You betrayed me in. Death. Yes exactly like get get that dude to come back as all like a CGI blue ghost, or whatever, but it would work. We're births now. Look at Japan Afterlife Look at Kevin J, O'connor assholes number one that goes charity number two okay. So it stays in I, don't care if it doesn't make sense. Steven Summers in some weird priorities with his movies sounded like. Now would you'd expect? Honestly that's true and so I mean that's the end of the movie like Brandon, Fraser and rich of is. ANA camel because they have to sure because it's a in Hollywood movie The brothers starts like throwing up. He's so disgusted that someone's tongue kissing his sister in front of his sister fucking here we go, yeah. Everyone's drinking around. He's at the end riding through the hot desert the cool caroni. But then you find out as a writing away in disgust complaining Oh. We did all that for nothing. And by the way we caused. The deaths of hundreds of people are are fucking White Tom. Fucker in in Egypt has cost at least the death of a hundred people. I would say that's fucking. That's a safe minimum. Those those hugs died the worst way possible. It's totally your fault. I would have a little bit of introspection now. We got laughing at. The cameras a bunch of gold on it. Right. Yeah, there's a one of Kevin J O'CONNELL connors like little bags as a bunch. There's a bunch of overflowing. And Whatnot in it. And, that's that's. That's the end of the mummy man thousand one. The mummy returns happens, but yeah, where we saying caverns you the Wiz Khalifa Paul Walker's dead, Song. Seizes. GOT THAT CAMEL'S PINK slip. You're fired camel. That kind of pink. Slip. I thought the cameras was being laid off where it trouble. Let's hit the NAS on this camel. Jackson with fucking opium. Works, the opposite of Flames coming out of the Campbell's asshole. It says it's just this brother feeding children. There's little neon green light under the camel again that work. Campbell's Dash. fucking they they like. Bend his fucking tail to make it a spoiler. She's Would anybody recommends Steven Summers the mummy, nine hundred ninety nine somebody on twitter right before we jumped on the air, put this the right way I'll see if I could credit them here. It's God tear hangover movie. I think I did see that tweet I. Agree with that I'm gonNA put up just. To credit show your work here. I had a lot more fun with this than I. Thought I was going to. Long time other sucks Yadda. Yadda I be complaining with the sequel as well which sucks really bad I believe. but this one is it's Super Fun. It's a bit too long. I don't think it's a great movie. certainly not one of the best action movies in nineteen, Ninety Nine, looking at you, the Matrix This is. Jamie Underscore Maurice there you go on twitter, said God your anger and it is. That's what I think. Chris Cabin, would you yeah? This is my second favorite? Steven Summers movie depressing being the number one spot because it's got blood in it Yeah I mean I I. Really Enjoy I actually watched this recently I. watched it last year and I still enjoyed myself here. I I do agree. A hundred minutes of this would have been perfect. To two hours four minutes. That's a bit much talking about the mummy returns, Steve. I went to see that in theaters with my father. And we went. They get to a part. They're in a air balloon. And my dad like you're me out of theater and like we walked across to Moulin Rouge. He thought it was GONNA be better. Dead I'm not kidding you forty minutes into Moulin Rouge. He Yanks me out of there. We go I like I'm like just a teenager at this point like like I'm like what's going on in this verbatim. The movies fucking suck. I left and I had to watch both a DVD when they come. On and on, and he kept going to find the right one goldilocks. Stupid this, what's too boring? That is fucking hilarious Chris. Eric Cisco how you feel about this movie. I did I. I always thought it was bad when I, but but we watching it. I did reappraise it and I was hung over this morning so perfect. Hangover movie I. This is the light. Recommend very light. Recommend from me because I. do feel like that middle gets. It's a little too fun games where I'm just like okay all right all right okay. I get the characters. I don't have to keep getting them and keep going through these wacky adventures with them. Save some for the mummy returns pal. Your movie is longer than Star Wars so. and. There, you go yeah I a recommend for me. Man I I do like this movie I have not. It was actually it was one of those things it was really pleasant. I was kind of like just sort of quietly excited when we decided to do this because I hadn't seen this movie in a really long time. So I was happy that it held up for me. The mummy returns another note on the mummy returns, and Y amps up the suck edge so much more is it takes place like a few years after the first movie and you better believe they have since married, and there is a shitty and kid at ad is what it is. Any fucking sucks and it's just the absolute worst This little like Freddie early. Whatever is obnoxious name? Is You know? He doesn't eat shit, man, you fucking want him to the characters name is Alex. I thought it was directed by John Waters. No No, no. But also I. Mean you do have Dwayne Johnson in that movie as the Scorpion King's? Five sequels to the Scorpion King. I've spent a films and I think if I'm remembering it right? His appearance in this movie is some Lake fucking Goro. Mortal combat level like CGI garbage. Yeah, I think it's a setup forest. They knew that they were doing immediately there like Oh, it's the Scorpion King. Look out for him. They knew they were going to do a several movie so. So there's the Scorpion. King and then four sequels of total of five films. Yes, yeah, okay and I, I'm certain. dwayne Johnson is only in the I think, and then it was like whatever professional bodybuilder was I. think is Kurt Hennigan some of those possible I think. Rick Ortiz is in like three of them. It's it's it's a lot. Billy Zane shows up at some point. Zan's. Probably the bad guy would guess if I had to oh. Yeah Big Old Ball! Bad Guy, billy Zane Oh, that's a weird thing. Because the old guy in this movie was also titanic with Bill, that's something but anyway so that is the mummy from nineteen, ninety nine directed of course by Mr Stevens Summers. If you want more, we hate movies. Check out the Patriot Patriot dot com slash. We hate movies June's. We love movies episode. is up right that is we still there's no. Man It was a great episode. People are loving it, I tell an interesting story about my dad. It's worth it so fucking funny. That is a classic Mr saying God I'm I. 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Comparing Klay Thompson to Milk

Sports? with Katie Nolan

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Comparing Klay Thompson to Milk

"UK ranks milk at work, just a Cup of milk at work. Yeah. Front of people did anyone see, sometimes I'll go when they have those little cartons, I'll go to a store and buy it. And where did they get talking about here at work at word already in our thirties? Hello potato chips. You know, my grandpa used to always call me here. My little potato chip. He was whatever accent. That was welcome to support podcast. It ends of the question, Mark restarts of the question. I'm Katie Nolan. She's Ashley Jay's back. Hey, this is today's question. Katie actually nj. This is Ashley from London that you can probably tell I'm not so sure this summer. I'm going to see six women's World Cup matches in France, including the three US group station matches. Ooh. Ooh. Either. But we found out on Monday that are six tickets to the two semifinals, and the final are split up. We are in a row together, we've consecutive seats who but she gets four inside or fifteen rows away in QC, separating them and a six tickets is in another room, all by itself, knuckle, we don't have any kids with us. So it isn't as big of a deal for others. But it's still a we were picturing, but ticketing companies, dug its heels in so we're not expecting it to be fixed question for you all is if you're in the situation, how would you make the best of it? And how would you handle it? If someone wants to switch to be near their family, but the seat they're offering you is worse than the one you were allocated. All right. Thank you. And let's podcast. This is an impossible question. What a great question. This is a thing that was a you. I don't have that many friends. She's we have sixty two six p. Like you sound old enough to have lost touch with all of those friends by now. What are you doing? Still talking to them. I love my friends shout out to my friends. I haven't seen in three years. Yes. So we knew this was a thing when you're the women's World Cup. There's like ticket issues. People aren't sitting together fee fact, like it's not a big deal, like I'd only affected. One percent of people. I really doubt that the one percent listens to this bug cats. So I it seems like people are screwed. You could tell just how bad it is by how excited she was that the three that are in the same row are all consecutive seats. She said as that is what the bar like the minimum of what you expect. When you buy tickets to anything else, anywhere else if you bought tickets and then you get excited that they're next to each other. That means things are bad. I don't understand how the system could put some next to each other in some not. So I know that I it feels like it was just it if you were to be the only person this is a guess, based on no information. If you were the only person buying them at that moment, you got all three. But if like a hundred other people are buying it the exact same time, it was just, like we're releasing the tickets were they land was, like, dropping change into plank with a bunch of different tickets at once, and they just go dictating think think think in the up, you got one we happen to be together to those. Yeah. The weather just trying to figure how to get worried, but I cannot it doesn't make any sense. Yet doesn't make. Here's the thing that sucks. Groups of threes with friends is hard. You've got three that are together, and then you've got to, and then you've got one, actually, if I were to go on vacation, or on a trip with six with five other people. So there's six of us total. I'd be like dibs on the single seat. Really? Yeah. Usually if you go on a trip by the middle slash end. Oh, you're, you're at our point where you're the three of us are sick of the three of them. And then, like this one is so annoying usually me. So it'd be like, here's my advice, actually I went into this being like I don't know what I'm going to tell them to do. But here's my advice leave for the trips sooner than you would've. So you're together for a very long time. And by the time, it's the final, you're like look you tour getting the two seats. We're gonna take the three and you go alone with the one, maybe that person will find love there in France. That's true. I also think. You can get drunk and make friends. That's true when he was really going to be sitting in there you stand, probably for a bunch of it, and it'd be a lot of especially during the semi final, and final win the games there so much adrenaline. Yeah. So much importance on the match. If you're with other US fans that's going to be incredible. When I was in Minnesota and the eagles won the Super Bowl, I didn't have the same, but rather to celebrate with or, and I went to the bar in my hotel and just walked around high fiving strangers. After your your patriots fan friend was very kind and supportive, of course. But I went so Elliott you've found make friends you root for them. I refer them. Oh my God. Does feel like oh my God. You like them to it's like, you know why? That's why we're here here for that. The other thing is with being the finals in the semifinals. It's possible that people are going to be like, oh, I thought my team was going to make it. They didn't right? You can have my seat, and I would also imagine with this being a widespread problem. And with women's soccer fans at least American women's soccer fans from my experience really being so cool. And nice if feels like if America is in and their country that they are there to support didn't make it, and they have tickets that, and you were to be like, would you swap seats with our friends like if I were I'm trying to say this, I'm seeing it very complicated. If I were an American fan that had tickets to the finals in America, didn't make it and let's say. Any other country name a country. Katie. Let's say England makes it then like if they if I saw a bunch of English fans being like, hey, if you move I can sit with my friends. I'd be like your team is playing for I will move. Yeah. But it just reminded me of air airlines. When someone's like I have a middle seat, can I trade for your window to sit with my friend like? You cannot do that. So you just pay us a two people getting on airplanes. If you're not seated next to the person, you want to be seated with you can go up to the gate before you get on and say, he's like, if he's in a window, I'm in an aisle, but they're not in the same row and they can swap you because if it's I'll for, I'll they'll do it. So if someone's asking you on a plane, I know you probably feel this way, I feel like I can't say, no. When someone's like to mind if I sit with my family, of course you can. The reason they're asking you is because the airline already told them. No. Or they didn't know to go ask the gate anyway. Sports podcast is what this is what were you gonna say? Just now I bet it was about sports. It was what about the question for would you switch, so that a family could sit together death is still throwers. If we weren't the team playing I would I think you should regardless. Oh, okay because they have here, not necessarily, but obviously a little sensitive to families being together. They wouldn't sit Austin by Steinbeck. It was I would sit next in Austin, and then Steve couldn't be with us. I mean, all by himself in the mother sections. Nobody can leave errands icon Austin, so sorry, I really liked it actually because they have tickets to so many games, this might be the families like only game that they're going to, you know, the code this viewing this specific. Yeah. You're telling Ashley specific actually, you're making her feel specifically guilty that if hypothetical you and hypothetical Steve and hypothetical Aaron show up to a game. They have to give them their seat. You're very specifically answering Ashley's question. Not the like, I think people should give up seats too. I think in Ashley situation. Yeah. Would you handle it? How would you handle it? V. Eight just said, I would let them go. Okay. I would let them sit together. All right. Because that's the right thing to do because you don't really like sports. Yeah. I hate famous name a name players. Name a player in a sport now. Go off fast enough. Nope. Sorry. Everybody was literally first person. I could think actually really good question hope you have fun. Here's the thing. You're going regardless, you know what I mean to say you were there. No one is ever when they tell you a story I was at the women's World Cup final for that crazy game. No one's ever like show me the view from your seats. What was the view from your seat? It'd be like, I don't have a picture of that. I just was there was no one ever follows up with that. So just you're in the Bill, like, who are you next to? Well, they might ask and I'd be like you don't wanna we're not friends anymore. Look you're gonna make the best of it. Make friends be friendly learned. French French people hate when you don't speak. French Jay's chairman in like our French expert who's kind of. Yeah he is. But just because we've never been to France. I go. I tested out of France. French and call out of France in the crash, I never right out a Franch. Here's Enron cold from our rain out so good that then their franchise at that. I now have even looked at it since before college and I couldn't speak a word of it. It's the weird thing. They're like you're so good at this. You don't have to do it anymore and like we'll never going to do again. That's interesting. Why didn't we expand the week at practice it a little bit later? Okay. Play. I would like that. I feel. If you want to, if you want to call in and go ahead and leave us a voicemail. We could a meal voice meal was that French? Phone number's eight six country code one Erica. Eight six five oh, six five five seven one. I read that every week. I don't know that number really. Yeah. Also don't know my phone number for my work phone. It's don't nobody move. I know what it starts. It's I know the area code. Yeah. That's it. I think I know the first three every time somebody asks like at work. What's your number? I'm like, hold on one sick. No, like no, no your number. Like, yes, they hold on one second pull it up on my phone. We're not doing a game where I guess my phone number on the Putnam. Just looking at texts. Is it this? So we are doing the game. Because I've been saying. Really good. Look at me little baby steps every day. Learn something new like my own telephone number. Hello. Hello. How are you? I'm all right. How what's that? That was sad. And I've just I've been feeling under the weather for a couple of days like sick. Oh, that's a bummer. Yeah. Housebreak band has kind of been one. Get sick Dale get sick you a bunch of Christmas lights, one goes out. They're all out is that what happens with Christmas. Yeah. Like the little when one light goes out. They all go. It's a line in Christmas song. It's fine. What else is happening? What are you taking? Ziya cam. Take naps doing the emergency. I did leave work early on Tuesday. We notice lay down on my couch that down. But pay it will be dot I started watching killing eve, because I heard you talking about. Yeah. And I really like it. Yeah I finished season. One soco. I'm caught up on season two. I like it, but I think that it got hyped a lot. And I'm like, oh, I shouldn't have listened to the hype. I would've liked the show better fish fan and a my own office. Interesting. I just heard you say something, and I was sitting there like my throat, her to bed to sleep, you know, that feeling. Yeah, 'cause I hate that just in pain, and I need to get distracted. Yeah. So I put it on and I was like, oh, this is very enjoyable. Yeah. It's I mean, she's amazing Sandro. Yeah. I don't remember me neither is literally like I don't know what to do. So this thing she said. So here we go. You should also do fleabag. That's on Amazon fleabag was same EP there. They're really good. I don't know that one you'll know in the first episode if that's for you or not. It may not be. I knew right away. I'm like, Yuk love. This is my show. So fleabag you like that one just when you're leaving work, early and television. Happens so much. What's going on with me? Things asking you know I got some stuff going on my personal. It's not great, but we're going, we're plowing through it. We're, we're drinking wine through it. You know. We're, we're stockpiling bottles of wine, right on through it. So it's everything's great. Thank you for asking nine piles of laundry on my floor that I have to, like, do I haven't done because I like to think if I pull it out of the basket, I'll get to it because it's on the floor. It's obstructing. Yeah. I don't know myself thirty two years into my life. So I'm now waiting just through piles of laundry that are on the floor like we're waiting for you. And I'm like, well, Ashley is the one who left work early, not me? I'm I'm out here. I'm working, I don't have a second, right? Stop staring at me laundry. Right. You know, a very step looking at me swan situation. It's a whole thing. That's how my life's going. You get you get the reference zoo Ozzy wouldn't have. No. He would think it's from the Gulf movie set the Gulf one. What J do we have one of the things? Yeah the last one. So we already thought we did the last a two over weeks ago. So ended last week. And then I gave you my update we were there, we played it out of respect. We shouldn't have I'm sorry. Couldn't didn't work at the time that was nice. Because my our phones like I think there was no service in Lytle ranch. It J your phone was you're welcome. Thank you. Yeah. Very Mother Theresa both of us. And, and then I mean I just have a quick update. She's the only nice person. I know Mother Theresa anytime anyone does anything. Nice. I say your regular mother, like, maybe think of another nice skin. Okay. We'll think about it. Yeah. Let's write that down was were you done? Sorry. No. I didn't I was saying, I have one more update. It's it will be the less update can't, but it can't it can't be an update on the whiskey cavalier update. Because Ashley, and I are the hosts of the whiskey cavalier update update, it literally has to be about the show. It's about the show and I'm going to reiterate the rules just one last time. It's to be one cent. Understood just the one sentence. You don't have to say the punctuation out loud. There should be no more than maybe two. Punctuation marks in it ignoring apostrophes. You know, I don't need a run on. It's just the one. Are we clear? Yeah. And now it's. Time to throw it over to j with your whiskey your, very last whiskey cavalier update doodoo, doot. Do that was hi. I'm Jay this is your very last whiskey cavalier update at the sentence. Thank you very much. So. We have a Lear was hyped to potentially come back after it's whiskey. Whiskey date update. No, no. That is a whiskey cavalier update update. And we host that show. It's not coming back. It's dead dead. So that's what was actually abandoned. This was your whiskey cavalier. Update update dude. God, you guys. It's like I try and I try I went through the rules and you just don't care. Is it called sports would j wolf, no sports sports, Katie Nolan? That's right. Plot related updates our for whiskey kevlar update. We ski Cutler update update that's main Ashley's beat you can't just like hog all the content Jay. Okay. God, always she's always talking on this podcast. Poor one out for whom for whiskey cavalier, can I drink the whiskey. Instead, you may thank you. Good. I sore throat, though, whiskey is a hot title hunting hot toddy so bad. And it's supposed to, you know what's nice when you're sick. It's, it's supposed to rain for the rest of forever. So you don't feel guilty when you're well, I guess you have dogs, and so you have to take those out, and then you got go get the kid. Well, I'm going to enjoy the sick weather. Okay. No official Potter show business other than the fact that we are off. We told you that so dope. That's why actually goes home early today in the podcast. We're gonna talk about the news number last week. I said, we're not going to do a tease stick around, and don't. You know, we're going to talk about the news, and I bet you want to know what news it is. I bet you do. Well, guess what? You're going to have to wait find out and you're going to have to wait until after I tell you that we have in new spots. Sponsored is Spencer, days note, this week's podcast brought to you by boosted boosted boasted. So Ashley tell me how you want me to tell the people about boosted, and let's not freak them out. You know, like let's not make boosted go running away from us. Oh, because we did something crazy, what? Okay. Well, I don't think this is that bad. Oh, she I can't do that. That is a skill in as you get to that scene already. So you got through killing eve. I will hold on. Oh, let's fill people. I read just I read a little thing she wrote at the top in honor of killing eve, she does a very good job of species, and naturally speaks with the Russian accent, but she could mimic, British. She does France. So you have seen that scene. I don't know. What's when she says to Sandra? Oh, like who do you want me to be do you want me to be this? Do you want me to be this? No, no. Okay. Never mind that she's allegedly allegedly. I'm excited for it, though, she run it through president one or season. I don't remember because I just watch it linear like straight through. So I don't remember so it's just going to have you like alternate between a British a Russian a British and French. I mean she does I have seen her doing Irish. She's very good at accents. You know what this reminds me of? Did you ever watch? What was the clone show? Clone wars. No and non clone high on the BBC show about clones. I didn't watch it. Come on. It's tuk tuk orphan book. Yeah. And the the actresses name. Linnea. It is touch animals money. Okay. So she have you, you never saw that show. Ashley, no. She plays. It's a show about clones, and she plays all of them, and they all have these, like unique distinct personalities men resumes. Voices looks. Crushes it. So the seat like these British actresses putting us to shame. And I will now step up our game. 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I just needed a word bowlers starting at sixty one dollars per month with financing. Oh, there you go. That's there's no better time to change how you move them. No. Oh, really? I just need the one like the your plan always say Boris in DASA, because I try to get void forget it. Hello. Let's talk about the news first things first the Cup final. We are in it, who to win it. It's tied at one. It is Bruins took game one at home and then last night, the blues one Wednesday night. I'm so confused by what day it is because that day off at the beginning of the week, really just threw me but today is Thursday. Day yesterday was Wednesday yet. And so the blues one last night was chippy. It was chippy is physical fast paced, but I will say the blues, they are finding solutions to our strengths hours being the Bruins as a member of the team. But yeah, it was crazy game went into overtime. Congratulations to the blues on their first title series victory in history. Wow story. Yeah, congratulations. Thank you. I'm not a member of the team, but I do like them. What is he doing? K congratulations to your team. Thank you. Also says we all the time. I think that's mostly for us. Making me feel bad. That's what he was doing a bit. Not a good bit, Jay. Did you guys see little is X in the okay? I have notes on that question Iago. You saw the clip. I I'm not sure which one you're talking about seeing a lot. But the so he played before game one outside of in our answers. In the brench Zia you sit in the British embassy like knows I don't that was. Yeah. That was two weeks ago to the authors. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. That's okay. We can fix it. So, so he performed. He's got the one song, and look, I respect anybody with one song that everybody loves also. It's like. Very short song very short song. And he does half of it. Right. Right. I'm on the fence, I have takes him on the fence. I've too strong takes on either side. Number one, I remember when what do you ever say? Oh, goodness. We haven't done either just walked, right? Literally by accident, we don't have a Bill drum roll. No, it's not me. Jerry fighting Trump. I didn't I think I can make a Bill. I don't think it's necessary. What if I just give the to take? All right, fine, or with a sense of urgency. Why don't you clap? And let me know it's time to change kit. So I'm just going to talk honestly and not look at you. So I support anybody who has one song and can get that super famous off of it, like writing one song is not easy. It's very difficult. And this guy has one that we all love and are obsessed with in the entire audience singing along and all he had to do was like bounce up and down and hold the mic out to the audience and did like three two one. Oh, you let you counted down to the club. Okay. Other side of things you, you only have one song, and you're not even singing it. Like he there's the backing track. I mean I don't again. I don't disparage a rapper whose back and check out works. They're not going to have a full band. But he he's barely even wrapping if he is, it's very quiet. And he's like putting the Mike out to the crowd and just obviously like. Soaking up their energy. Like, that's I'm here to watch you perform your songs so you have to perform your song, but at the same time no, he does not have to perform his song because it's one song we all get it. And it was a cooler experience to see. Everybody's singing it together. That's kind of the reason you wanna watch old town road. Right. Because it's like, oh, cool. Everybody knows the words everyone singing everyone's enjoying it, and he's in a Bruins jersey in like loving the energy in, like if this is his only song ever good for him. But at the same time you should be using the fact, the point of having a single is so that people will then have to listen to your other music. And then be like, I also like this song, you're kind of backing yourself into one hit wonder territory. If you just like I play the one and I'm gonna let you sing it. You know, the words like you're collecting a paycheck and not doing anything and that was got to hear both sides. You leaned away from the mic. When you clap clap in the Mike is trying to get a move my mouth away, closer. I have to follow up statement. It's regarding this gentleman. Oh. They're not unrelated. Did you statement, one clip of him playing for an elementary school? No it. That's we are just weird or I don't know what we're not playing. But doing the same thing on the stage. Singing a little bit like half. The kids are dressed up like capitalize in cowboy, but, like little girls with, like Lael skirts and cowboy hats. Some of them are not. And then, like they just go ape. Okay. It's never very funny. I was trying to think of crazy that j it's my goodness. It's like a fifty second clip, and I was just grinning, for forty five of it the entire time kit replay. Okay. Second-stage second statement. Do you can't clap? I'm trying stop. Clapping comes second stick. Did you see his posts about the, the pups? Now, are you just like consuming Wilma's knows X content? Guests so inadvertently, okay, little vertically. Go ahead. You go get a dog. Looks like I was like. I know he went to get a dog and he was like help. I have to pick one. There was one in like a red color and one and a blue collar. And they were they wearing collar. Oh, like literally, I was big tie. A blue colour dog away. Call it a dog you weren't surreal. Right. Links on a chip and Bill situation. I'm on Twitter page on to see if she follows little Naza, thanks. You. I don't remember the last of my faults Oba Monte. She follow you believe continues to follow me some other guys. He got two dogs, too. Well, then that it was really cute. That's a misdirect. That's what we call. I said he had to decide and then he couldn't decide. So we got both what if there had been three I wonder, what little knows Xs limit project for dogs is, when you have to decide those are going to be big dogs to end with. I mean full-sized shirts? They're gonna have to get full side business shirts for those dogs, that would be our, our NHL analysis Jay, how are you feeling about the series? I think the Bruins are super good at hockey. That's true. It makes me really nervous Bernese mountain dogs. You didn't mention that before. Yeah, I'm sorry. I thought I did. I did in my hand dad in when I said they're going to be big. It was because they're birdies to always wear a cowboy hat. It's fine, Jay. Sorry what we saying. Oh, no. I was just saying that I think the blizzard super or the Bruins are super good at hockey. Right. And I think there a team I think I think that like on paper, the burn should win. So everybody thinks that. So might take his new, but as long as you guys keep killing our guys and send him to the hospital, so they can't play anymore. And I feel like on that too, because that having a game one just on the other side, I look, I'm just doing a bit. But like the thing with the grizzlies hit is that he was in this happens a bunch of hockey and it's hard to talk about because like, I don't know you're not victim blaming, but like he hit the boards at a weird angle. There's no way for you to know if a guy's gonna like you should I think they should still be punished when a bad hit happens in a guys sent to the hospital and taken out of the game. But like he hit the boards already at like a he looked like a like he was. He was out like a dead body outline on, on, on the carpet. No on the pavement. Thank you. Well, some people have carpet outside carpet in their kitchen. I'm not here to judge. If you've been kitchen that has carpet, it's very off putting how about a bathroom with carpet equally off putting anyway back to low nauseous? No back to the I think it was it sucked and he's out and that's us. But also think that the Bruins have done the next minute up thing, pretty, well this season and so- fingers crossed that they continue on that old town road towards successful till they can't. No. You know what I mean? I feel fifty years old. Let's talk about the NBA finals. Woo. Oh I'm going to game five. Jay, by the way, I'm going to go to game four L. You are I just I just found out this morning that my dad bought tickets as well. That's really precious as long as your family's involved. That's my mom asked me to go like three weeks ago, and I was like, maybe he takes me this morning. He was like pretty good game. I was like he was like want to go to game for. Yeah. Super badly. That's really cool. Yeah. That was see families are beautiful guys. Sure. Sure. Led him sit together -solutely unless there's another family that needs you to your dad two separate because they've a little kid, then you should or if you're tickets are really good. You don't wanna move doing the order of succession more important families. Yeah. Okay. I it's not family podcast. You're right. If your kid can't dunk. Screw them. Yeah. All right. Let's talk about sonata Stanley podcast. Guys basketball basketball also in the finals. So game one is tonight. It feels like it's been very long since we've had special EPA. Yes, it hasn't been that long. I guess this Saturday, Saturday was the right Saturday was the bucks, routers here Sunday together. Right. Today's Thursday, her today is a day. Forget me too. I'll always forget all day today. Right, right. Always every Memorial Day. Okay. I got it now anyway, that games tonight at nine on ABC in Toronto Toronto Toronto. We're going to Toronto and I've told the tire staff like, don't say Toronto they get very angry. But, like Canadian angry just just like hey, don't do that. You know you're still in Toronto. Yeah. Sorry, sewri. It's tronto. So anyway, Durant is going to travel with the team. That's an update. That's exciting. There was a story about Steve Kerr, having dinner with coach pop, which by the way, top five all time dinners you'd like to be at. I would love to sit with Steve Kerr and coach Bob, how much talking do you think pop does though? I think six. No, no, no, no. I think when he's with another like a colleague, I think he talks I if you media he's talking. I bet they're, they're close friends, and they talk. What do you think they were drinking? Okay. So the blood of youths, like I don't know. I hope they. Sheild blood. So they live forever thing that people in Silicon Valley, you're doing now presents like, Peter Thiel. Get like young boy blood infused with his Ashi gotta be up on this stuff guys aren't googling read. What's going on in the world? I knew about it or to wants to inject himself with young people's book, fair, twenty sixteen. I know a lot of little about a lot. We're gonna tab thing on your phone again. I know a little about a lot Peter Thiel wants all of blood. Follow up two thousand seventeen no Peter Thiel is not harvest. I don't. That's the thing I breeze in. I take what I need, and I never come back. So Peter Thiel, stop using all the baby blood. So that's a dinner. They had a dinner people think that maybe he gave them details on why I don't know what details he would get beyond film. Like he's really a Kerr who is polluted defense concur, has done every position that exists in basketball, besides ref, I think ref is the only thing Steve Kerr has not been. And so I don't think Steve Kerr's, like, oh, bully huddle a crack this eggs, it's like you, you know from literally every angle. What co- is up to. I think they just wanted to have frigging dinner. Yeah. Probably I think they probably it's weird. I must have I think it was in a no service area, all day yesterday. So, like, they probably tried to call because when they're taking other they liked to call just to be like, hey, it's the gang they do it, and they did it. So we just frustrating like get your together brazen and sprint. I have two phones which don't remember. Are they? So I all look it up, you're gonna have to go. Look it up your own phone number. Here's what I find interesting because if you're here for basketball analysis, it's already over. Drake. I know I yawn we've been talking about. Yes, I know. But so people are talking about how. He has two tattoos on his left arm that appeared to be I haven't seen anyone say definitively that they are what I'm about to say. But they appear to be Steph curry, and K D tattoos. So he has the number thirty which curry in its as gifted, and then the number thirty five in its snipe. I don't really know what's happening. My point is a we'll obviously he's a he supports the raptors. And then he obviously is like LeBron fan. So he's all over the place. It's fandom. It's a thing we've said forever the Drake curse yada, yada. But now he's like going so hard for Toronto, and people are like you have warriors tattoos on your arm. I'm curious to know your thoughts on that because I think telling Drake not to love LeBron stupid, a their friends like actual friends. So when we try to compare ourselves to Drake like as a fan, I would never do that. It's like, yeah, you don't have LeBron's number in your phone. I understand you only root for your team, but you are friends with LeBron you're gonna pull for your friend and he's probably friends with Steph and probably friends with Katie. So I think we try to compare him to us and say, like it's unacceptable fan behavior. But then I also think it is kind of. Did you get him tattooed if you're such a die-hard ride for Tronto like that's your whole thing? Whereas your big dinosaur tattoo. A great the logo Chris Bosh and the Lynn. I think you can to two things on this. I think you can appreciate greatness and still root against it. When it's going up against your team chore there, we've talked a lot about, like you can really like j with that lose in the Bruins. Well he respects greatness. It's like do I as an eagles fan, I loved DeMarcus ware. I thought it was incredible player incredible, dude. But when he played against the eagles, I'd never rooted for him lie hated that he played for the Cowboys. But like he was great. You can be like, oh, Steph curry, Kevin Durant. They're great. Like, did he get the Katie tattoo when he was on the warriors? Or do to get it when he was sold. Okay. So here's my, my follow up point is a really bad debt to yet. Also, if, if they are friends. That's weird. I'm not getting a Katie Nolan tattoo. What I've been meaning to talk like another one, I one before. Successive, the name and the right and just a little. Yeah. Yeah. Always remember to be as good as this person. It's it fits perfectly on the left ass cheek. I love where you put it. It's great placement. Right. Would have been weird left was perfect. But they look like like prison TAT's almost like it looks like somebody just drew the numb, it's not like a fancy number thirty it's literally just like a three zero like in Penn. Like when used to give yourself tattoos and elementary school, when you just like right on each other's skin. That's what it looks like. I don't know. I haven't I should have done more research into, like if he's updated his sleeve. It's on his left arm. Like if it's an old photo that I was looking at that was on high noon yesterday. But like it, it looks bed. What if you're that rich got bad tattoo? What's happening? Maybe he got a million years ago. But their numbers weren't there numbers million years ago can be that old. I'm so flummoxed. Maybe it's like is like milestones for his ages. So like when he's thirty be gifted, how old is Drake. I think he's older than thirty. Yeah, but I don't know if he's thirty five looking ahead. He's not thirty five head to thirty five wants to snipe nose. Excuse me. Grammy's sniping jumping, it says that he had them since early two thousand seventeen it would make more sense to me. So if curry was snipe. I'm confused by all of it. What my whole takeaway is like Drake. Get better tattoos. Okay. I think that's good advice. You wanna get a tattoo with your friend on it great. Like let them use stroke. Fill a little drop shadow, just should look like Photoshop. It shouldn't look gets done and paint it should look like it's infotel apparently paint you can accomplish quite a bit you use. Powerpoint don't all get it for the high end stuff. Yeah. What J apparently Drake like likes to do these sort of, like low breads, Omar on in terms of tattoos, because it says he also has tattoos for his father, mother riana shoddy into Leah as well as well as a bottle of may she she's still with us. She not believe so so and a bottle of Drakkar Noir. What where are those, the bottle of Drakkar Noir is on his shoulder. The rest of them people out here, acting stupid. Go get someone to pencil drug drug hardware on my arm. It's not Drake. Ardmore is actually full. I'm of course can you see I don't? Oh, what? So just looks like a hole in his arm from here. Well, it's at gaping hole in that man's arm. Truecard noir. That's a Cologne is. It not is. Why would you. So Drake who scratches how many people? How many people in the United States, do you think have axe body, spray tattoos, gross too many to look it up? No, I bet you couldn't, but I'm gonna say fifteen Nope, I'm gonna say seventeen people in the United States have that lead you jumped from because this seems to even it would never work out that way. It would just be too easy. But like getting a Cologne or sent tattooed on, you anyways weird getting the one that's deaf. Like I bet I bet sticks of the seventeen ironic a bit like a comedian somewhere. Like check it out. I got X buddies bright tattooed on month. I. A different not J a different go. Yeah. You did say a comedian and his wasn't ironic. I wouldn't do that. Sure, you wouldn't. I'm not interested to know of Terai if we think Toronto will win game one. I want to know if Toronto will win one game. Yes. Yes. I don't know. Of course, they will I want them to listen. I'm pulling for them, but I don't know not gonna get swept. I don't know. You both think they're going to get swept. Didn't they get swept you? Here's in a row by the Cavs. You have no faith who I know. Have plenty of faith inqui-. So I had one game. It's an interesting very aggressive, and you don't give it. I know that you don't. So you're like, I'm trying to sort of have any faith it co why? I'm just trying to catch these. Hey, ooh. That's not a I think we should bet on it. What? Yeah. Why 'cause I've no rooting interests. And that would give me coughing wives cohi- colliding. Okay, who gave us a podcast no-one gave one to me. Or jay. Give you a podcast. I gotta think my decisions think this. All right. So if the warriors sweep the raptors Jay and I are not allowed to ever talk on the podcast, you know, you can this one. Silence. If the rallies whiz L, I just wanna be clear we do every time you wanna do a bit. You never bring the wager we try to do them live. We never come up with anything. Good, you know this already. We're like if I win, I get to eat ice cream for breakfast. Oh, oops on adult. I can do that. Whenever I won't to we never come up with a good thing to way drawn. And then our mentions fill with people telling us what we should have wagered on and they're not doing good suggestions. Yes, I know because they put thought into the before they tweet them. So we should have. She wanted to bet we didn't know you guys were going to say they weren't gonna win a game. I not a hundred percent. Sure I do think it's entirely possible. They won't win a game. I would love them. The reason I don't wanna bet is because I'm not pulling for them to not. I don't wanna ruin presented to not win a game. Okay. I just think that it's, it's possible that they're just gonna get obliterated and that would suck. Anyway, let's stop talking about sports. Did you see the Instagram live that Coa sister did after they beat Milwaukee in background, you hear random dude say? Do they know damn? Well, he ain't gonna be there next year. I didn't see it. But I read about it. Yeah. I wanna know who that is that says it because it could be a nobody guy that knows nothing about the situation and it just being like, oh, or like walking by her wall. She's doing her Instagram, live being like they will always be there next year or it could be like her brother, that isn't by like, I don't know if they have another, sibling. I didn't look into it. That's their family. That's their business, but it could be somebody that like has like, oh, they know he's not coming back. Yeah. I'll call you later talked to like he could you could be overhearing something, you're not supposed to hear. Right. Point is can't take anything away from it so free food for life and the free a blow off now. Yeah, it doesn't need those things. He has plenty of money. He is a free food. Yeah. Everything about it's not like free. Doctors something I wouldn't take that one. Just free doctors because it's Canada. I got it confused with universal healthcare. That happens and happens. Another basketball, adjacent story. Klay Thompson, where do you stand? Ashley band on Klay Thompson on him, just is both men over milk. I find him to be refreshing you do as I find milk do grown. I guys I have a calcium deficiency. Shaikh crave mill you can love milk. All you also garage supplies. You are saying Thompson, I don't support you calling it refreshing it. No person has been like hot day, hit me with a mill actually milk was a bad choice. Famously milk was about choice in a hot day. But you need milk to make ice cream which is very refreshing. Cape milk, isn't ice cream don't don't but admit that milk isn't refreshing. Yes, thank you moving on. We don't have open already minutes on each thing, like Klay Thompson. Oh, God milk will hit the spot at times in a way that, like if it's not milk. Nothing else can hit that spot. I was just you didn't. I didn't mean compare Klay Thompson to milk. How do you go about Klay Thompson? Also, comma, the title of this bike is compared to for the writer is the spokesman for I believe it's chocolate milk. I think I'm not doing him. Think it's, it's like I don't care. I think it's I think he's refreshing in that he's unique. I don't know. I watched him on the I'm taking over for you, because I'm not I can't get what I need from you milk, leaving Jay have milk. Why would you ask Jay for milk, be I'm sitting right here? That's uncomfortable to listen to. And then he did it in the microphone. Oh, sorry. You said Jay can I have some milk east closer to the kitchen takeover? You don't let click you drink milk at work. Just a Cup of milk at work. Yeah. There's front of people. Did anyone see? Sometimes I'll go when they have those little, like cartons ago to swim and buy it, and where do they have little good talking about here at Wor? At word already in our thirties. Have you gone up to the fridge that is exclusively for Creamer for coffee and filled a Cup with some of that, that had no coffee in it? And just drank it. Yes, Ashley, what drinking milk isn't weird. We are the only species that drinks milk from another animal. That's not normal you're supposed to drink milk. When you're, like when you're nursing as a baby infant, and then you're not supposed to drink anymore. So this turned in this moved away from drinking milk at work is weird isn't the drinking milk good, weird about drinking is weird? Because if you still do it, that's fine. But like you should be a little bit of shamed of it. No. How, how do you eat a peanut butter and jelly sandwich and not have a new. You ain't them. Normal person peanut butter and jelly. But hey, I haven't had one in twenty years. That's jaitly. I don't have food at my house, and you can't get a peanut butter and jelly sandwich delivered. You can't peanut butter and company Greenwich streets. Really good. Anyway. I live not here. I met at work and milk, and peanut butter and jelly, never worked for me together. Because it's like it's just didn't like the way they mixed. Listen, I grew up on whole milk. So milk is ruined for me. It's just like it's a thick heavy beverage. I love milkshake milkshakes. An acceptable way to drink milk at work, you drink milk at work in front of people. I mean, not often L my God, wait. Oh my God. Wait, I'm just realizing something when I showed you that nape are Ghezzi bit. And I was like, how funny is this? He goes to Starbucks. And I think he ordered a milk. And he's like, what am I psychopath, you were probably sitting there like this isn't resonating. You know what's very understand what giant giant Cup of milk company with ice in it, which that's weird. And he was like, is this, what you think that I ordered? By him in public. Why are you giving do I look like the kind of guy that would order this? I'm laughing my ass off and you were probably like remove the ice. And I'm all in. Okay. So that's our talk about Klay Thompson. No, he I watched them on the jump yesterday. And I don't know. I'm I like guys that are like, oh, I don't know what to do. I'm not good at this. I'm just chilling them whatever. But he's trying to do this whole bid about. I liked the media now like amended the media like I'm a cool media guy. And it was just like Rachel was like a perfect as she always is like being playful with him and he just like kept denting every bit like everytime. She bought it. And it was like gimme another sentence in that broadcaster voice, you just used. And he was like, yeah, I love the media now and she was like you do. Okay. Well, I guess the bits over like she just he was just I don't I don't understand them. And the reason I bring it up is because milk is because is because there's a story that his mom. Go shopping for him. His mom does, is my mom and Igwe doll is wife. Go shopping together for us. They have good senses of style. I didn't need to finish the quote. I was done with it at that point, are can you how old is Klay Thompson. I think he's thirty self and then how single is Klay Thompson. Klay Thompson is twenty nine years old. Okay. And. Just how single Google, how single is Klay Thompson. He has a model girlfriend named Hammet stocking skews me, her name is closed knows any needs her mom, too, but he's not gonna buy clothes. She's second of stock. That's that might have ended. Now she could have been restocking, his drawers, Lou. That's really good. This broke up broke up and now he's with another model. Laura Harrier must be tough. Oh, she Harry. That was reported in January. So who knows what's going on all the way. Wait, wait. So he has an ex girlfriend last name stocking, and I'm new girlfriend whose hairier. Yes. That's correct. So he's stalking his ex and then the his new girlfriend terrier that makes perfect sense to me spokesman for milk. Would you ever date? Somebody whose mom does her shopping for them. I'm going to actually I'm not gonna let you answer. If you're listening to this podcast and your dating a guy, and you find out that his mom does his shopping for him that he totally loves that gang run. Now that's not gonna stop. She's going to stay reaching in with her mom. Hands covered in milk. Just trying to touch all your stuff and your things and going to get in your life. There are I think relationships with your mom, they're healthy are mazing and wonderful. I think guys that are close with their moms awesome. I think your mom doing your shopping for you. You're giving me a look. I never go hard on a on a on a side, and I feel like I feel guilty immediately that I took that side. I just. Mom's hands are covered in milk. Yeah. No that I stand by one hundred percent on. You just said you drink it at work. You can't resist you. See a fridge full of milk, milk must have nobody else that my hands in it. Katy gosh, parrot down my face. No more directly into my mouth and waste a single drop cut. I dated a guy wants whose mom, like, how to David who had no relationship with their mom. And that freaked me out that was a red flag. And then I've dated somebody whose mom was, like he's our pride, and joy, you better take care of them, and it was like I'm out. It's just a it's so I don't know, your mom going shopping with someone else's wife. When you have a model girlfriend. Is a strange dynamic? I don't know. I maybe his mom's young babies moms, like super young and chill nail. Love his mom, even if his mom's old, like I hate shopping. I rent that stuff, non sponsored you can bleed the. Oh, yes sorry, but some point before those to come before those companies, where you can, you can buy stuff, online, and get shipped to your house. I never went shopping, and my mom would always just like buy me things, and be like here. Try this on I bought you this. Here's this. Here's this I returned. Most of my mom would be like sending you this. What is this? What's dress? That could be a skirt that could be a tube dot that could boy, maxi skirt Mahmut just by me, hear me who articles what if she sent you something. And it was great. It wouldn't be because it's my mom because she's my Ma but what is she sixty four God bless her heart? What if she sent you stuff that you liked it really wouldn't have stuck? She's my Ma I'm asking you to hypothetically couldn't she's she's older than me by a lot because she made me. He doesn't mean why would you have Clinton's aside? I over a woman, a hundred that she can have a great sense of style for her age. She has no idea what I would wear. That's that is for a woman, I will take that take for a man, you guys have six options, shirt nicer shirt, like jacket pants like there. Isn't you can't be like, oh, I got a shirt that is also a jacket that has also pants are people are doing too much with women's clothes million different options for men. It's like I got you a tailored suit. So that's the argument that I would buy is that like his mom going shopping for him as a man is not that difficult. She gets his shirts tailored. But like if you're Klay Thompson, you have enough money for a stylist, if you want someone to buy you, clothes you do, but as a person that you could make that argument about, it's so much easier to say you have enough money to get this type of person. It's so much harder to like where do I start to Google? I'd like to hire a stylist do I go through random like, how do I find that's my number one. It holds me back from things. Like, how do I find a person that can manage a property, so fun? I think you're making my argument for me. I know I'm, I'm like to move on from this milky story. We've I've just gone. It's things have gotten clouded. Don't you drag her in? Do we care about LeBron James son brawny who joined Instagram and dream on posted on his very first post, I'm at your connected summer? Gee, all gas. It was very just kicked down the door. I I'm baffled by it. Trade shows up to a hustling party with no gift kicks down your door takes the middle of the floor, and it's like peace faster, and your kids, fourteen year old birthday party. Oh, yeah. He's, he's fourteen little, I thought it was sixteen by now. He's four that somebody wrote he's literally four hundred. And you're being neck, all summer. What I don't know you're better than a fourteen year old. You're in the NBA. Draymond I dunno. It's a little much for me. I kind of it's kind of I'm kind of back in. Just like Bernie family. He's. Okay. Also new type about Champions League. Final fats coming up on Saturday. Hopefully I'll be home in time for it from Toronto Liverpool Tottenham. Very exciting stuff, rural bear both out of me. I don't wanna talk about you Ventas Klopp rumor it's not true. I watched the video today of Klopp looking at their European clubs. Coach Liverpool forget, if people care. And I know that they don't, but I don't care that they don't care. So anyway, there's video of clock looking at pictures of the team from when they were babies, and it's so cute, and it's just a perfect example of what a great coach he is. He says, like a nice thing about each of them, and he says that thing like with shack. He's like people might say, I don't play 'em enough. He would definitely say, I don't play them enough. But I gotta do what I gotta do. Like he he's very honest. I love him so much. He's not going anywhere. He loves them. There's so much love in his heart for them. I think you're right. And why would you leave right after? Don't I didn't? Okay. I was about to. But I didn't he did say that it would be the best achievement of his career. He won the Champions League. Harry Kane, we still don't know if he's going to play or not. He says he's good to go. They always say they always say they're good to go. That's what Rafa said. He was like, oh, that's what they say. Don't listen to him. I don't know why anybody was asking Rafa what he what he did give his answer. So coach of Newcastle. You're not busy. Why don't you come on here? An answer question. Maybe they can go get hairier Cain. Okay. The biggest news. I don't know of J noses. Because I went to text it to him over the weekend, and then I was like, Jay's just going to immediately ruined my good mood by pointing out that I don't follow Jay on Twitter. He did kinda hint at that earlier. But most Sala followed me on Twitter and it's. That's still you guys. I have no idea. Why? Gen that's freaking me out. Was it right after a wasn't right after anything? Here's the thing. I get notifications only from people I follow, if they reply to me, not if they like my tweets. I don't get that people I feel or think a certain verify like verified user K above a certain threshold of might just be all verified users. I haven't looked at my settings in a while. But I know when I get a little like voodoo, it's usually like, you know, big deal thing, like I have screen grabs on my phone from when like John Oliver followed me, and I was like to, like, oh, God. He's going to unfold. But this is really cool. And but I went through the day on Sunday I went to the women's national team game which men. Oh, we've got to talk about. I know I wish I knew it was at noon about the tickets. But I mean is this one million degrees on Sunday? It was why he's outside. But like Meghan arena was like, right there. So anyway, I'm at the game. And I and I saw a tweet from someone random in my mentioned say, most cellphones, Katie Nolan. Is this new or is this old? And then I was like, what is this idiot talking about apologies to the idiot? I went to most page. And it said, follows you and I just dropped by phone and put my hands up. And it was like everybody. He tried to figure out when it was. But you can't. And so I think it was overnight. I don't know what time zone he's currently in and I don't know where he's at, but it was like overnight on Saturday. Look, I've put a lot of thought into it. I've also been petrified to tweet now. Oh, is one of his tweets came up on my like it always, does he tweeted a door selfish themselves, when you're so cute. And I liked it because just that's what I've always done. And then I was like, oh my God, he might have just gotten a notification. I like to sell. I'm like, overthinking everything do you know how many people he follows know what if you had to guess? How many is normal to follow? I dunno. It's couple not normal. He's super famous. I follow like a thousand. Okay. And I have four hundred something thousand followers, so for context, he has eight point eight million followers. That's a lot of forward. So like five hundred thousand one hundred forty eight people who. He's got you on read receipts. I had no idea what to do with my hands. I am. Let me just read sorry, the names of the people these following. It's one of these things is not like the others. Alex Morgan, LeBron James Liverpool. Oh liverpool. Falls me. That's new Chelsea a couple dudes from the from the Egypt national team Virgil Van Dyke. He's very ox. Alex oxide