17 Burst results for "Islamic Science"

"islamic science" Discussed on The Candace Owens Show

The Candace Owens Show

08:10 min | 9 months ago

"islamic science" Discussed on The Candace Owens Show

"But the it when you when you let them get plugged into the internet. It just makes it worse because the problem. Is you send kids to public school. They're they're immersed in in this peer culture every single day for eight hours a day five days a week nine months a year for for twelve thirteen years and then they come home and it used to be they came home and now their home and now at least you could try to recenter them again and get them focused on things that matter but now they come home and they're still in that peer environment that pure culture they can never escape it because they carry it around in their pocket all the time and so that becomes the only thing they care about. And so when you see. The suicide rate among kids which is just. It's unheard of to have all these suicide killing themselves as is crazy. It's unheard of. It's it's this didn't use to happen really didn't why is that. It's not that sometimes conservatives will say of kids. These days are much pansies. That's not at all okay. Every kid is emotionally vulnerable and we all were the difference. Is that what they care about. Because they're in this culture all the time would they get their identity from the app their affirmation from their peers and they can never escape it so if they don't get that affirmation than they feel like there's no there's no point in living. This is my whole life. And i'm not saying that taking the smartphone away will prevent all of that but i think it could go a long way so you can do things that are metaphorical adherence to the script. But yet not changed the script and just modernize its interpretation. It says for example. You may marry more than one wife. i've never seen. I've never known a muslim personally. Married to more than one wife. So what do they do with that passage. You just say. Hey you know what. I ignore it. I'm not gonna rip it out. But i'm gonna say it just doesn't apply today and we don't apply it because he can't it should be applied but that's interesting to me because i mean i'm if you're going to modernize it if you're going to say we're not gonna apply that we don't believe in this or or we're taking part this or that wouldn't you think that that would then result in just a way from muslim altogether because you don't agree with the core tenants of what you know the original script said and you did note that it's a minority. What you're doing is a minority movement right and so it is. It is reformed like reformed is the right word right. It's a total total reformation right But i just don't see. I don't know that you would if it is realistic to expect that. The hundreds of millions of people that are holding the texts that says anti jewish rhetoric or is taking role in says. Take a bunch of wives. Are they going to get behind. This is is that a realistic approach. I think if you had in two thousand ten said that they were going to be twenty million people in the streets of cairo fighting their government. You would have said no way. That's impossible than can fight against the military regime. Same in syria rerun or elsewhere. But they're doing they're waking up so if you look at there's some recent studies that showed that it takes ten percent of the population to have a significant movement to begin to change the other ninety percent so i think if you look in tunisia for example it really took ten percent of the population to begin to finally put the government on its heels and make the economy come to a standstill. The tea party movement the conservative movement back in two thousand ten it really was ten percent of the conservatives that went to the streets and then later became more. That said we're going to take back. And now with the trump movement against the establishment activists that it take most studies have shown takes five to ten percent is sort of the tipping point. And i think with reform if we start if you look at the the cares of the world council. On american islamic relations islamic science america the muslim brotherhood legacy groups on the sunni side and the khomeiniist legacy groups on the shia side. Still to this day they might be able to fill a hall with fifty sixty thousand people but they still basically have fifty to one hundred leaders that you might be able to see on tv from day to day if we get that same platforming as the opportunity you give me here today. With many of the people in our muslim reform movement which is part of what we're trying to do in this assembly of future leaders of america. Once we start getting this. I think you'll see that the silent majority will eventually wake up. My parents we. We didn't grow up in an ex pat community. We grew up in northern new jersey. Right outside of new york city and my my parents actually made an effort for us to assimilate and to You know speak english very well and two. They didn't see conflict between keeping iranian roots but also Being fully fully american What what is the sentiment though what trying to get is what is the sentiment amongst iranian-americans is something that i'm interested in people that fled this country for an opportunity and you can say the same thing about this in terms of people that have fled from cube. I mean there's so many different countries that people flee from. Then you get to america and you you see people that are saying america is a horrible place to live. America's a dictatorship that routinely can say horrible things about the president who can threaten the president's lives and you know the president's life whether it's ingested insincerity And saying that they hoped terrible. Things happen to the president. And they're allowed to do that here because we have freedom of speech right And hearing them say that they're oppressed right that they feel like they're living a dictator shelvin. What is the sentiment amongst the community. That i've actually lived under systems of oppression. I think there's there's to me. This is a gross generalization. But if i were to kind of break down for you. I think the majority of iranian americans particularly those who either fled before the the revolution during the revolution or just after the revolution. They remember it very very very well. And they they. They don't take anything for granted. Their children are all very very highly educated they they push their children to assimilate they love this country and they want better for iran and those will usually they a push for regime change there very happy regardless of the Political party for any politician. Any president to push for regime change or to push for a better iran so they don't see when for example when donald pulls out of the iran nuclear deal in may of two thousand eighteen most of those earnings that i'm referring to very happy because they understand that it's a punishment for the regime and the people even though the people will be sanctioned that the bottom line is that the sanctions are affecting the people but only because the regime is allowing the people to face the burden of the sanctions. And then also even if you do if you run the opposite argument. I mean when obama sent a billion dollars in cash today radiant people. The iranian people didn't see that money. They know that that's different. That's most important. So when i was growing up in zimbabwe there was no racial tension. Like you know animosity. It was all about reconsiliation and everybody. Moving forward away from the past of colonization. So that's how he started out but as time went by the corruption that he had a he had instituted within the country the mini his ministers were stealing millions of dollars from the people and his war veterans. They blue wall the pension funds. So now it was taking place was the economy was starting to fail. And his way of taking attention off himself was to start this marxist rhetoric against the white farmers so he started telling everybody that your problem is not me and my corrupt ministers. You problem the white farmers they are the ones that have taken your land and this is your land so you are the. That's why you should be looking at and not me so. This is so playbook socialist exactly. The government is corrupt. Government is taking your money but let me go ahead and start issues between the proletariat and the wealthy people and that's what i start to see in the united states and that's why it's so familiar to me. I'm just like wow okay. This is starting to play out again. Yeah actually right when you were saying that. In the beginning it was owning reconciliation. We need to move forward with obama. Has that was sort of like that. Was the guy ryan the night that he won being like. Finally we're all gonna come together. We're going to move forward exactly and not exactly what we got absolutely not the same way. His rhetoric started changing obama's rhetoric started changing and becoming more about black versus white. It's a natural way in which humanity trends when there isn't a sense of morality morality..

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"islamic science" Discussed on Science Friction

Science Friction

08:06 min | 1 year ago

"islamic science" Discussed on Science Friction

"Doing the rounds history itself gets rewritten. Autumn scholar again Dr Neha Schiff via. The people now in. The market when I go and ask them they won't say that they're real. But when I went to the whipple museum in Cambridge. and asked to see. Their collection of nutrient depicting science. They turned out to be fake. In you could tell that, yeah, it was quite clear when you. Take a look at the documents. Quite a few were painted on nineteenth century. Bond notices, or things like that, so this is Cambridge University's whipple Museum of the history of science, and this is just one example of esteemed museums in the west of history of Science Museum the Wellcome Library the British library. Any number of institutions have these miniatures in them. When you went to the whipple. Museum what was revealed to you about halfpipe acuity, those images. One of the things I've found out is that museums want to show images of Islamic science to the public. To educate the public. There's not that many images going around and so when someone comes and wants to sell them these images they jump on it. They were sold to them by dealer in Istanbul. In the late ninety s quite a few of these were quite high quality, so they thought it was. Back then worthwhile investment. Let's explore why you think these fakes exist. Witnesses desire come from to make up. Fake scenes from the history of Islamic Science is it? Is it about more than simply artistic license and making a blackout of tourists? Yeah, this isn't a story about necessarily the forgers, but about why we want to believe in these forgeries. So since the late nineteenth century, there has been this narrative about science as a measure of civilization about science as a way to say whether these people are part of the human race or human political community, and even in eighteen, eighty three and. The famous scholar of Islam was arguing that Islam. Because of its religiosity had turned against science and rationality, and of course there was a response to this by number of scholars at the time. So this is a long standing debate. What people want to do is essentially. Quickly and easily use images of science, especially the ones we recognize modern people using instruments, people looking at the night sky through telescopes to demonstrate that Muslims had signs to. And, of course they do. There's actually amazing and longstanding. Of Islamic science everything from say medical books from Medieval Baghdad to calendars that people were using for astrological astronomical calculations in seventeenth century. Istanbul, but it's often does not visually depicted in the way we want it to today. And this has become even more pressing in the past ten to twenty years in the face of increasing Slama Phobia, which has essentially argued that Muslims are in parts of whatever western civilization part of our culture part of our political community and shouldn't be part of it. And, so in response to that kind of discourse Slama phobic discourse, there has been an increasingly well intentioned misplaced desire to show that no know Muslims also had science and that we can create a sort of global political. Human community by showing the past history of Islamic scientific production. Now, incur taking these forgeries. These fake representations of the history of Islamic science seen these miniatures. You walk a very fine line, don't you? Because on the other hand, you also wanted to investigate and celebrate what you safe to be a rich history of Islamic science, and yet what you might be putting out. There is the message that it's all. Fake right. and. He's like you've had a very interesting response, haven't you? One of the things I found out is a few weeks after this article was released that it was actually picked up by Islamophobic right wing commentators, who essentially took the introduction of the article added a few lines of their own, and basically said that look Muslims never had science everything out. Everything in these collections is fake, and in reality as thumbs irrational once again, science and things like that, and it's this big liberal conspiracy to pretend that we have to live in this multicultural world. How does it make you feel your argument? BEING CO opted buys. Lennox was disgusted. Surprise, you know I never had expected this to happen, and there's an irony here, because and half of my work is about how meaning and nuance and history gets mistranslated once it gets on the Internet and circulates in different ways in here. It was happening to my very own work. Just like how these fake miniatures! Jump around as truest Curios to stock photos to be in on the Internet and then end up on scholarly books. For the wrong purposes you know my work was now being used by these Islamophobic people to basically denounce Muslim. The incredible unintended consequences an all-star had with a fake miniature mischief. The wants a more nuanced approach to how we explore the history of science one that doesn't just focus on the boys with toys type imagined scenes of main building telescopes and other scientific instruments. We're moving away from thinking about science as happening just in the minds of great men. Traditional example Newton Indianapo-. Tree in the NAPA falls in Germany. Anything of this theory of gravity. To Science being created in the work of artisans of of daily people. Let's say mom trying to calculate prayer, time, musk, or an alchemist, trying to figure out how to turn lead into gold, and it's in these daily experimentation in the world, also trade and things like that that we find science being created, and that's I think what a lot of us myself and my colleagues are trying to do today. You'll sense is that science was infect everywhere possibly in the Ottoman Empire. Not In the kind of places that we recognize as being scientific now, right? Let's say this is something that a lot of us in the history of science and arguing about this finding signs and the everyday in everyday practices. and. It's the problem is that is often quite difficult to recognize this sort of science. Everyday science is not as spectacular. It's not depicted visually in the same way that we that we need for for image of society today. It's not going to change the Internet because the pictures are still there, but I've had quite a few people right to me separately saying. I I have a book in in publication right now I have this image in it and I'm going to write to my publisher right now and get taken out so. And I do get some pleasure when I met conferences and I see people with the imaging I'm going that is not the plague. The history police. Yeah, I know I know I have to be careful not to go down that road. In fact, some websites have replaced the image bit I. think There was one that actually replaced with another incorrect image representation. Dave did yes, yes, and when I wrote to correct them, they were actually. Quite rude to me. What's your cautionary would? You'll cautionary instruction to all of us. After this experience. I think the best answer to that came from one of the students that I had in a course that I taught the summer about the plug, and the very last class we talked about. So, what have you learned? What would you.

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"islamic science" Discussed on Science Friction

Science Friction

06:54 min | 1 year ago

"islamic science" Discussed on Science Friction

"This is an image that is in a encyclopedia that was written around thirteen, sixty, five by a clerk in London named James Palmer, and it's heavily illustrated, and this one image is of a bunch of clerics, so people in the church perhaps monks being instructed by their bishop. The men are all covered in spots. The text around the image talks about the fact that this is a bishop giving instruction to clerics as to what they're supposed to do. Or what rights and benefits they have if they fall ill while they're in their position, and should they be thrown out of the Church or not? Exactly, and whether if they're too sick to work, are they allowed to get the income that they would normally get or do? They need to hire somebody to take their place. Okay sounds pretty reasonable. Dozen at a very likely fourteenth century scenario, but none of that context was being distributed with the image as it sprayed across the Internet, and when historian sort being described as a group of plague infected monks with the priest I smelled a rat, not an plague infected flea on a red jest arete. It didn't quite seem right because people with the plague first of all. Don't have those kind of spots. Spots that we're aware of and also probably wouldn't be standing up. Because once you have the plug. You're quite ill and you'd probably be lying down and dine. There were a whole lot of things that same to be wrong. Once historians like self started Deke. Yes, exactly as so they're certainly not dressed like monks and priests doesn't look like what a priest would have been wearing, either so we have clothing issues you have. Disease dissipation issues that none of it quite lined up. And in fact, spotted skin, a tended to mean something else in medieval iconography. It did it meant leprosy. So. It wasn't the be Banik plague at all. And if you read the original manuscript, it was very clearly that the clerics head leprosy, not the plague. So Laurie and her medieval history colleagues went hunting down the source of the era, and led them to Nautilus than the esteemed British library with the original was held, and then it was given to somebody to create a caption for it on the online version, and that person took the image and called it the plague. And what happened next because what this amy page effectively sprayed like the big, and then it got picked up by Wikipedia in English and every other language that has wikipedia black death pages, and then what happens is people go online and they're looking for images, and they pick up this image either from the British library, or from wikipedia that says here's an image of the black death, and there we go, this now is an image of the plague, and it's from the British Library, so you have to believe it, and that's part of the problem. Is that the people who are doing? The captioning 's for these online sites might not have any direct knowledge of what the image is actually about. And now at least three commercial photo libraries sell it as a definitive historical representation of the plague. So science information that is misuse. You probably come across a lot on your own shows it's. Somebody will do a scientific study, and it will be misinterpreted and used to promote something else entirely. It's the same with historical textual information that if you're misreading it, you're misrepresenting what people at the time were talking about? But is that really an issue? This is a fourteenth century image. So what if it's leprosy? Not Plague? So what if the main man was a bishop not appraised? So what if the clerics went monks? So what what's the problem here for historians? The problem is that people are misrepresenting the past when I teach history of disease courses. I try and tell the students that you wouldn't take an image of somebody with chicken pox to explain to somebody what the flu is like. There is some speculation that the plague in the fourteenth century. Maybe even during the fifteenth century might have looked more like this spotted disease, and I have seen some historians pickup on descriptions about all these bodily spots, and then say well. We don't have those spots today so clearly something else was going on, and these are mostly by historians who tend not to have believed the plague was the same disease that it is today, so even though now you know, we have the scientific DNA evidence that it was then they can point to these images and say well. These images show that it was not the same, and it's constantly having to correct, but these are not images of the plague. Now Laurie and her colleagues could have just left it there, but now these intrepid historians. They wanted to fix the niche. You approached up woods fifty one websites. How response I able her and that's really committed. It is it is and I mean certainly didn't even bother going to the pinterest and flicker sites because that would take us down a rabbit hole that I thought we would never get out of so we focused really on academic websites. Science websites media websites ones that were specifically met for patient for other people to you. I mean even the Australian curriculum. Had It on their website at one point. About half I would say rollback the rest of them either did not respond at all, and still have the images up, or their websites are no longer active or did have a few. That wrote back and said that they were aware and they were using it as a teaching moment, so actually having it labeled wrong, and then teaching their students what that meant interesting stock photo websites entirely ignored you. They did totally ignore me and morning. Actually I went and checked, and they all still have it mislabelled for sale so I don't seem to be paying much attention to fact. They do not. Will ease. We all know it's full of fake news and misinformation rot for missing taper Tyson. We understand that way, but it's still easy to get swept up by means on facebook, appearing to tell the truth, but the thing is as we've heard from Laurie when site historical images start.

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"islamic science" Discussed on Science Friction

Science Friction

07:51 min | 1 year ago

"islamic science" Discussed on Science Friction

"It was utterly disgusted of a surprise, I never had actually expected this to happen. And there's an irony here. Because half of my work is about how meaning and nuance, and in history gets MIS translated once it gets on the Internet and circulates in different ways here. It was happening to my very own work. So this story starts with a mixture and you I notice it. On the cover of a textbook, so the book is a sort of medieval encyclopedia, and has been translated recently into English by my colleague Elliot Mehanna. This is Dr Nisha fee as an historian from the University of California San, Diego. His thing is the culture and sites of the Ottoman Empire that vast state, which controlled over six hundred years much of Southeast Europe Western Asia and North Africa up. Until the twentieth century, it was centered around Istanbul and on the cover it of it is two men looking through telescopes. Telescopes one of them is pointing up at the night sky so here you have this traditional vision of men observing the cosmos through telescopes, they looking across a rich landscape from a kind of Belka Ni there on some sort of tower. Yeah, and there's a mood of them, so it's the time. Yeah, and it's drawn in this sort of traditional. Persian miniature style. Knees describing is sane depicting to turbaned astronomers at work sometime in the medieval era of the middle. East Persian miniatures of these small beautiful paintings of historical sayings, famous for their intricate detail and modern reproductions of them are sold in the busy markets of eastern to tourists in those, there seems to be an obsession with science, so some of these scenes are images that might be found in actual manuscripts for instance an image of circulatory system in the human body. People looking through a telescope people treating Toothache, a dentist operating on someone, a surgeon cutting open up a patient. Some of them are sexual, but they're often quite commonly linked to science. which is kind of curious because he's what you find. If you actually look at the historical record, I've looked through thousands of manuscripts myself out of every one thousand, two thousand, I find one with some illustration in it, and of those only a tiny fraction are actually depictions, of science. And there's a controversy or reason for why the story of Islamic Science is being sold to tourists in this way and I'll get back to that, but what about that? Miniature of the to astronomers will knee was about to use the book? It was on the cover of for a university course he teaches called science and Islam and something about it just didn't ring true. One is the telescope itself right? The telescope is something that was developed by Galileo and others in the seventeenth century. We have a lot of evidence of people using telescopes eighteenth century in the Middle East about I've never come across a picture of someone using it. And looking more closely again at the peak show me and noticed something else was odd. The style was a bit off. The colors were to write. The pigments were off. The way that this thing was drawn was not quite correct. So what I look for is the full picture when there wasn't cropped, and then once I saw. Two, more figures emerged in here. You have another man looking through a telescope, and then at the bottom of the picture you have the man with his hand on the globe, and writing a book with a quilt, and that quill set alarm bells off Fanie Ish via this for me with the little moment in which. I realize this is a fake because. People in the middle. East didn't write with quills a used to write with reed pens. Okay, that sounds like a very social day tile, but only and historians. I could pick up all be concerned about, and you might be thinking. But. This was a scholarly text, not the place for five weeks, and it's libel said it was a genuine miniature, asked in the East Ambuhl University Library. What we have here is a modern forgery masquerading as a mediaeval illustration as he describes it and the tourist markets are full of phase. They're very clearly fakes, so you know this isn't something that's fooled all sorts of experts here. But what happens is when they move onto the Internet. And how did they get onto the Internet? They get onto through these stock photo agencies stock foot inside. The one selling pictures to new sites to books all sorts of anytime. We need an image so there was this one particular photographer by the name of Janney Deldot, who is apparently pretty famous I found out for photographing pictures and museums, and he, according to the tag lines in these stock indices had photographed a large number of these fake miniatures and said that they were in the Stumble University library. And the claim prompted Nia to dig even. Now I went to often do research library, and I went there, and I asked the rare books collection if they have any of these pictures, and said no, and not only that they don't take any new. They don't keep collect in new manuscripts, so there's no way that these pieces ever entered their collection. And so that's when I realized that these what essentially we're tourists pieces, and that's I. Hey, but once they're on the Internet. It's actually quite hard to tell exactly if they're real or not. especially if you're looking at the image, so my colleagues have been using them unintentionally on in presentations, they've used them on the covers of their conference. Booklets circulate especially through the Internet and through facebook and instagram. They go even further. and. That's when Sykes get represented as truth with potentially nasty consequences as you'll. He but he's another story of an historical image that's sprayed like a virus. Although in this case, it wasn't a virus. Eat was the plague. Clegg is actually caused by a bacteria that is flea-born for the most part might also be transmitted by lice the whole story that we've heard quite a bit about the rat flea. Is True except that those fleas are also carried on about two hundred other different animals as well so it really isn't just the rat. So litz now support our cells back to the fourteenth century, and imagine these sixty percent up to sixty percent of the population across Europe the middle. East and North. Africa was wind Dash. There are images of people carrying coffins, a lot of people carrying a lot of coffins at the same time that's probably one of the most iconic images of the plague. There are images of people lying dead and or dying on the streets. Of images of people praying with perhaps the Virgin Mary, around them are a variety of Saint, so the whole connection to sort of a spiritual salvation, either asking for it or giving thanks for it after the fact for having survived. Laurie giants. She's an international development. Work turned historian at the University of Ottawa, and she's out sick and sleuth on.

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"islamic science" Discussed on Science Friction

Science Friction

05:32 min | 1 year ago

"islamic science" Discussed on Science Friction

"Hello and welcome to sides friction it is the show exploring sides and culture. With Extra Spice Natasha Mitchell back with you and today we are looking for fakes. It was utterly disgusted of a surprise, I never had actually expected this to happen. And there's an irony here. Because half of my work is about how meaning and nuance, and in history gets MIS translated once it gets on the Internet and circulates in different ways here. It was happening to my very own work. So this story starts with a mixture and you I notice it. On the cover of a textbook, so the book is a sort of medieval encyclopedia, and has been translated recently into English by my colleague Elliot Mehanna. This is Dr Nisha fee as an historian from the University of California San, Diego. His thing is the culture and sites of the Ottoman Empire that vast state, which controlled over six hundred years much of Southeast Europe Western Asia and North Africa up. Until the twentieth century, it was centered around Istanbul and on the cover it of it is two men looking through telescopes. Telescopes one of them is pointing up at the night sky so here you have this traditional vision of men observing the cosmos through telescopes, they looking across a rich landscape from a kind of Belka Ni there on some sort of tower. Yeah, and there's a mood of them, so it's the time. Yeah, and it's drawn in this sort of traditional. Persian miniature style. Knees describing is sane depicting to turbaned astronomers at work sometime in the medieval era of the middle. East Persian miniatures of these small beautiful paintings of historical sayings, famous for their intricate detail and modern reproductions of them are sold in the busy markets of eastern to tourists in those, there seems to be an obsession with science, so some of these scenes are images that might be found in actual manuscripts for instance an image of circulatory system in the human body. People looking through a telescope people treating Toothache, a dentist operating on someone, a surgeon cutting open up a patient. Some of them are sexual, but they're often quite commonly linked to science. which is kind of curious because he's what you find. If you actually look at the historical record, I've looked through thousands of manuscripts myself out of every one thousand, two thousand, I find one with some illustration in it, and of those only a tiny fraction are actually depictions, of science. And there's a controversy or reason for why the story of Islamic Science is being sold to tourists in this way and I'll get back to that, but what about that? Miniature of the to astronomers will knee was about to use the book? It was on the cover of for a university course he teaches called science and Islam and something about it just didn't ring true. One is the telescope itself right? The telescope is something that was developed by Galileo and others in the seventeenth century. We have a lot of evidence of people using telescopes eighteenth century in the Middle East about I've never come across a picture of someone using it. And looking more closely again at the peak show me and noticed something else was odd. The style was a bit off. The colors were to write. The pigments were off. The way that this thing was drawn was not quite correct. So what I look for is the full picture when there wasn't cropped, and then once I saw. Two, more figures emerged in here. You have another man looking through a telescope, and then at the bottom of the picture you have the man with his hand on the globe, and writing a book with a quilt, and that quill set alarm bells off Fanie Ish via this for me with the little moment in which. I realize this is a fake because. People in the middle. East didn't write with quills a used to write with reed pens. Okay, that sounds like a very social day tile, but only and historians. I could pick up all be concerned about, and you might be thinking. But. This was a scholarly text, not the place for five weeks, and it's libel said it was a genuine miniature, asked in the East Ambuhl University Library. What we have here is a modern forgery masquerading as a mediaeval illustration as he describes it and the tourist markets are full of phase. They're very clearly fakes, so you know this isn't something that's fooled all sorts of experts here. But what happens is when they move onto the Internet. And how did they get onto the Internet? They get onto through these stock photo agencies stock foot inside. The one selling pictures to new sites to books all sorts of anytime. We need an image so there was this one particular photographer by the name of Janney Deldot, who is apparently pretty famous I found out for photographing pictures and museums, and he, according to the tag lines in these stock indices had photographed a large number of these fake miniatures and said that they were in the Stumble University library.

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"islamic science" Discussed on The Rogue Muslim

The Rogue Muslim

04:43 min | 1 year ago

"islamic science" Discussed on The Rogue Muslim

"It's so good so good. It takes you through the different temperaments that we have and it's a science based Study. Experience I don't know what what you want to call it, but this is. This is based on science Islamic, sciences, and outside of that and so It takes you through the four temperaments. A knowing this, you get to know yourself in a knowing yourself get to know. God and it just tells it allows you to really appreciate how. This this shared to right so for me, it was like okay. What if I'm doing? Breath, work and meditation? How can I relate to this end so You know it's like. Okay these temperaments while that allows me to know what I feel tense with or feel good, or what I how. I reacted things or how I need to be told things because one of the things they mentioned is being able to tune into. What type of temperature at you have you can also do better, relationship building, right or into what other people's add. temperaments allows you to foster relationships, but also the first relationship you have foster with yourself when you foster that relationship your mind, haunt a lot more open to court and one of the things that they mentioned in the podcast is that. One of the biggest ways Oh God. I don't WanNa. butcher this. It's definitely a paraphrasing, but. I think it's like if you don't. If you feel disconnected to God. Check in with yourself. Because do you even know yourself because when you stop seeking God, you stopped knowing yourself I think that something like that, so that was really powerful. Is that okay like if I stop? In Sean Law. We don't stop seeking, but if we do, we also have to check in with ourselves. Do we even know ourselves? What do we know ourselves? Because God has limited access to our own selves, right? And block that access so Yeah, it was just a really really fascinating episode. They covered a lot, but I highly highly recommend everyone. Listen to it. It's very very important very powerful Go into like you know. How this impacts your spirituality but an how it can impact, you know. Whatever you have to buy financial growth, you know career spirtual. what environmental everything you know! Has a lot of impact on so yeah..

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"islamic science" Discussed on WNYC 93.9 FM

WNYC 93.9 FM

01:36 min | 2 years ago

"islamic science" Discussed on WNYC 93.9 FM

"The golden age of Islamic science began in the eighth century with the start of the Abbasid caliphate. Founded by keleaf apple out Abbas said to be a descendant of the prophet. Muhammad, the caliphs brother and successor almond sewer rebuild Baghdad and turned it into a citadel of learning whether knowledge of the Greeks and Romans as well as the Persians and Indians was translated into Arabic and housed in an institution called the house of wisdom and Islamic equivalent of the famous great library of Alexandria. Here Arabic scholars could learn about the astronomy of Ptolemy, the master of Euclid the physics and philosophy of Aristotle and the medicine of Galen. And this was by no means just an exercise in preserving the learning of civilizations that declined centuries before Islamic scholars of the Abbasid era did original research if their own in all of those areas and their legacy can be seen in several scientific words today algebra algorithm. Alkali alcohol in the western middle ages and the renaissance some of these scholars were as revered as Greeks like Aristotle and Plato. Banal Haitham was one of them Europeans caught him by the Latin name Alhassan and in the thirteenth century. They studied and learned from his book about optics and light. Born in southern Iraq. Iran.

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"islamic science" Discussed on Science Friction

Science Friction

02:46 min | 3 years ago

"islamic science" Discussed on Science Friction

"And that's I think what a lot of myself and my colleagues are trying to do today. You'll sense that science was infect every way possibly in the Ottoman empire. Not in the kind of places that we recognize as being scientific now, let's say this is something that a lot of us in the history of science have been arguing about this finding signs in the everyday in everyday practices. And the problem is that is often quite difficult to recognize this sort of science everyday science is not as spectacular. It's not depicted. Really in the same way that we we need for for image. Obsesses ID today. It's not going to change the internet because the pictures are still there, but I've had quite a few people right to me separately saying I I have a book in in publication right now. And I have this image in it. And I'm going to write to my publisher right now and get it taken out. So and I do get some pleasure when I'm at conferences, and I see people with the image in I'm going that is not the plague. The history police. Yeah. I know I know I have to be careful not to go down that road. In fact, some websites have replaced the bit. I think there was one that actually replaced it with another. Incorrect image representation did. Yes. Yes. And when I wrote to correct them they were actually quite rude. To me. What's your cautionary? Would you'll cautionary instruction to all of us. After the experience. I think the best answer to that came from one of the students that I had in a course that I taught the summer about the plug and the very last class we talked about. So what have you learned what would you do differently? Now that, you know, more about the plague and one of the students actually said to me what I've learned is that I cannot take for granted anything that I read or that. I see I need to go back to the original sources much as possible because somebody might have misinterpreted. Yes. But we pay is tempting isn't it? Thanks to Dr Lori Jones and NIA Shafiul details of their work as well. As the autumn in history podcast that knee runs without the scholars role on the science fiction website, ABC dot net dot I use slash Iran slash science, friction. And while you're there, check out all the other programs in podcasts are in has on offer. It's a feast talk to me on Twitter at Natasha Mitchell Heche tag, science, friction tell you friends about the podcast and thank you to co-producer Maria Teagle and studio engineer team Sohn's o'casey next time. You've been listening to an ABC podcast. Discover more great ABC podcasts. Live radio and exclusives. On the ABC. Listen up..

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"islamic science" Discussed on Science Friction

Science Friction

04:56 min | 3 years ago

"islamic science" Discussed on Science Friction

"Zeier come from to make up Feick scenes from the history of Islam sons is it is it about more than simply autistic law since and making a buck out of tourists. This isn't a story about necessarily the forgers. But about why we want to believe in these forgeries. So since the late nineteenth century there has been this narrative about science as a measure of civilization about science as a way to say, whether these people are part of the human race or the human political community and even eighteen eighty three and not the famous scholar of Islam was arguing that is Lomb because of its religiosity had turned against science and rationality. And of course, there was a response to this by number of scholars at the time. So this is a long standing debate. What people want to do is essentially quickly and easily use images of science, especially the ones we reckon. Is is modern, you know, people using instruments people looking at the night sky through telescopes to demonstrate that Muslims had science too. And of course, they do. There's actually amazing in longstanding examples of Islam science, everything from say medical books from medieval Baghdad to calendars that people were using for astrological or astronomical calculations in seventeenth century stumble. But it's just not visually depicted in the way, we want it to today, and this has become even more pressing in the past ten to twenty years in the face of increasing Slama phobia, which has essentially argued that, you know, Muslims are part of whatever western civilization, part of our culture, part of our political community and shouldn't be part of it. And so in response to that kind of discourse Slama phobic discourse. There has been an increasingly well intentioned, if misplaced I to show that no, you know, Muslims also had science, and that we can create a sort of global political human community. By showing the past history of Islam ick scientific production incur, taking these forgeries. These fake representations of the history of Islamic science in these miniatures, you will because they refine lined on chew because on the other hand, you also want to investigate and celebrate what you believe to be a rich history of Islam excise. And yet what you might be putting out there is the message that it's all fake, right? Very interesting response heaven do. Yeah. One of the things I found out is a few weeks after this article was released that it was actually picked up by Slama phobic, right wing commentators. Who essentially took the introduction of the article added a few lines of their own and basically said that look Muslims never had science everything. Everything in these collections is fake and reality is thumbs irrational against science and things like that. And it's this big liberal conspiracy to pretend that we have to live in this multicultural world. How does it make you feel you'll Rog Yamin being co opted buys foods was utterly disgusted surprise? You know, I'd I'd never had actually expected this to happen. And there's an irony here because and half of my work is about how meaning nuance and history gets mis translated once it gets on the internet and circulates in different ways than here. It was happening to my very own work. Just like how these fake miniatures jump around as tourist curios to stock photos to be on the internet and then end up on scholarly books for the wrong purposes. You know, my work was now being used by these Asama phobic people to basically denounce Muslim. The incredible unintended consequences and all star had with a fake miniature Michigan. The wants a more nuanced approach to how we explore the history of science one that doesn't just focus on the boys with toys, those imagined scenes of main building telescopes and other scientific instruments. We're moving away from thinking about science as happening. Just in the minds of great men. The traditional example Newton Simeon apple tree in the Napa falls in Emini. Any thinks of this theory of gravity to seen science being created in the work of artisans of of daily people, let's say an imam trying to calculate prayer times or an alchemist trying to figure out how to turn lead into gold. And it's these daily experimentation 's in the world of also trade and things like that that we find science being created..

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"islamic science" Discussed on Science Friction

Science Friction

03:49 min | 3 years ago

"islamic science" Discussed on Science Friction

"And I have seen him some historians. Pickup on descriptions about all these bodily spots and then say, well, we don't have those spots today. So clearly something else was going on. And these are mostly by historians who tend not to have believed that the plague was the same disease that it is today. So even though now, you know, we have the scientific DNA evidence that it was then they can point to these images and say, well these images show that it was not the same. And it's. Instantly having to correct, but these are not images of the plague. Now, Laurie and colleagues could have just lifted the, but no these intrepid historians they wanted to fix the Nate. You approached upwards of fifty one websites. How? And that's really committed. It is it is. And I mean, certainly didn't even bother going to the Pinterest and flicker sites because that would take down a rabbit hole that I thought we would never get out of. So we focused really on academic websites. Science websites media websites ones that were specifically met for information for other people to you. I mean, even the Australian curriculum had it on their website at one point about half. I would say wrote back the rest of them either did not respond at all. And still have the images up or their websites are no longer active or did have a few that wrote back and said that they were aware, and they were using it as a teaching moment. So actually having it labeled wrong and then teaching their students. What that meant interesting stuck photo websites entirely ignored you. They did totally ignore me. And s'more Ning. Ng? Actually, I went and checked, and they all still have it mislabelled for sale. So they don't seem to be paying much attention. To fact, they do not. Will ease. The we all know it's full of fake news and misinformation misinterpretation we understand that. But it's still easy to get swept up by means on Facebook appearing to tell the truth that the Sienese as we've heard from Laurie when fake historical images start doing the rounds. History itself gets rewritten. He's autumn and scholar again, Dr near Sheffield the people now in the in the market when I go and ask them, they won't say that they're real. But when I went to the Whipple museum in Cambridge and asked to see their collection of nuture depicting comic science the term Toby fake. And you could tell. Was quite clear when you take a look at the documents what if you're painted on nineteenth century notices or things like that? So this is kind of universities Whipple museum of the history of science. And this is just one example of steamed museums in the whist Oxford Streep science museum, the Wellcome library, the library any number of institutions have these miniatures in them when you went to the Whipple museum was revealed to you that have had peculiar those agents. The one of the things I've found out is that museums want to show images of his science to the public right to educate the public. There's not that many images going around. And so when someone comes wants to sell them these images, they jump on it. They were sold to them by dealer. In stumble in the late nineties, quite a few of these were quite high quality. So they thought it was back, then a worthwhile investment. Let's explore. Why you think these fakes exist? Witnesses..

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"islamic science" Discussed on Science Friction

Science Friction

04:32 min | 3 years ago

"islamic science" Discussed on Science Friction

"This is an image. That is in a encyclopedia. That was written around thirteen sixty five by a clerk in London named James Palmer, and it's heavily illustrated. And this one image is of a bunch of clerics. So people in the church perhaps monks being instructed by their Bishop. The men are all covered in spots. The text around the image talks about the fact that this is a Bishop giving instruction to clerics as to what they're supposed to do or what rights and benefits they have if they fall ill while they're in their position. And should they be thrown out of the church? Exactly. And whether if they're too sick to work are they allowed to get the income that they would normally get or do they need to hire somebody to take their place. Okay. Sounds pretty reasonable doesn't it a very likely fourteenth century scenario? But none of that context was being distributed with the image as it sprayed across the internet. And when historian sort being described as a group of plague infected monks with a priest. I smelled a rat. Not a plague infected flea on a red just a read it didn't quite seem right because people with the plague first of all don't have those kind of spots that we're aware of and also probably wouldn't be standing up because once you have the plug you're quite ill. And you'd probably be lying down and dying. There were whole lot of things that seem to be wrong once historians like sill started digging. Yes, exactly, it's so they're certainly not dressed like monks, and the priest doesn't look like what a priest would have been wearing either. So we have clothing issues, you have disease pick Shen issues that none of it. Quite lined up and infect spotted Skien tended to mean, something else in medieval, iconography it. Did it meant leprosy? So it wasn't the bony play at all. And if you read the original manuscript, it was very clearly that the clerics head literacy not the plague so Laurie and her medieval history colleagues went hunting. Dan, the source of the area, and it lived them to no less than the esteemed British library, where the original was held. And then it was given to somebody to create a caption for it on the online version, and that person took the image and called it the plague and what happened next because what this image effectively sprayed like the big. And then it got picked up by Wikipedia in English and every other language that has wicked pedia black death pages. And then what happens is people go online and they're looking for images, and they pick up this image either from the British library or from Wikipedia that says. Here's an image of the black death. And there we go. This now is an image of the plague and it's from the British library. So you have to believe it. And that's part of the problem is that the people who are doing the captioning for these online sites might not have any direct knowledge of what the image is actually about. And now at least three commercial stock photo, libraries, sell it as a definitive historical representation of the plague. So science information that is misuse you. Probably come across that a lot on your own shows. It's somebody will do a scientific study, and it will be misinterpreted and used to promote something else entirely. It's the same with historical textual information that if you're misreading it you're misrepresenting what people at the time we're talking about. But he's really an issue. This is a fourteenth century need. So what if it's Lipsey not plague? So what if the main man was a Bishop not appraised? So what if the clerics went monks? You know? What what's the problem here for historians? The problem is that people are misrepresenting the past when I teach history of disease courses, I try and tell the students that you wouldn't take an image of somebody with chicken pox to explain to somebody what the flu is like there is some speculation that the plague in the fourteenth century, maybe even during the fifteenth century might have looked more like this spotted disease,.

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"islamic science" Discussed on Science Friction

Science Friction

02:43 min | 3 years ago

"islamic science" Discussed on Science Friction

"The Stoorikhel image that sprayed lock Avar. Although in this case it wasn't. Virus? It was the plague. Plug is actually caused by bacteria that is flea-born for the most part might also be transmitted by lice the whole story that we've heard quite a bit about the rat. Flea is true. Except that those fleas are also carried on about two hundred other different animals as well. So it really isn't just the rat. So let's now transport ourselves back to the fourteenth century. And imagine these sixty percent to sixty percent of the population across Europe, the Middle East and North Africa was dad, there are images of people carrying coffins a lot of people carrying a lot of coffins at the same time. That's probably one of the most iconic images of the plague there are images of people lying dead and or dying on the streets. Ludd of images of people praying with perhaps the Virgin Mary around them or variety of Saint. So the whole connection to sort of spiritual salvation either asking for it or giving thanks for it. After the fact for having survived. Lori jones. She's an international development worker. Tuned. Historian at the university of Ottawa and she's out sick and sleuth on science friction today. Her passion. It's gory is medieval medicine, and the black death was one of the goriest diseases of all and in the Bhubaneshwar version of the plague you end up with boo boos, which are large swellings about the size of an egg under the armpits on the side of the neck or in the groin, which eventually pus could come out of. Apparently this stench from the people's bodies were almost rotting from the inside out was quite horrific. A truly awful I have dying. Yes. You know, sadly, the bony plague still occurs in parts of the world today. But one from the medieval era has come to be reproduced. So many times that it's almost become the conic in each of the black day. It got picked up by publications by scholarly journals by documentaries museums tourist pamphlets, you name it. This picture is everywhere and because most of them then credit back to the British library. Everybody believes that. That's what it is..

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"islamic science" Discussed on Science Friction

Science Friction

05:06 min | 3 years ago

"islamic science" Discussed on Science Friction

"Through telescopes and they looking across a rich landscape from kind of a bell. Kanie there on some sort of tower, and there's a mood of them. So it's yeah. And it's drawn in this sort of traditional Persian miniature style. Knees describing is a scene depicting to tube and destroy numbers at work sometime in the medieval era of the middle. East Persian miniatures, these small beautiful paintings of historical scenes famous for their intricate detail and modern reproductions of them are sold in the busy markets eastern bowl to tourists and in those there seems to be an obsession with science. So some of these scenes are images that might be found in actual manuscripts. For instance, an image of circulatory system in the human body people looking through a telescope people treating toothache a dentist operating on someone a surgeon cutting open a patient some of them are sexual, but they're often quite commonly linked to science which is kind of curious because he's what you find. If you actually look at the historical record. I've looked through thousands of manuscripts myself. Out of every one thousand every two thousand I find one with some illustration and of those only tiny fraction are actually depictions of science, right? And there's a controversy or reason for why the story always Lennox science is being sold into your in this way, and I'll get back to that. But what about that miniature of the two astronomers will need was about to use the book it was on the cover of for a university. Course, he teaches called science and Islam and something about it. Just didn't ring true one is the telescope itself. Right. The telescope is something that was developed by Galileo and others in the seventeenth century. We have a lot of evidence of people using telescopes and eighteenth century in the Middle East. I've never come across a picture of someone using and looking more closely again at the picture knee noticed something else was owed the style was a bit off the colors too, bright. The pigments were off the way that this thing was drawn was not quite correct. So what I look for is the full picture wasn't cropped. And then once I saw that. Two more figures emerged and here, you have another man looking through a telescope, and then at the bottom of the picture, you have a man with his hand on the globe and writing in a book with a quill and that quill set alarm bells of for Nisha via this for me was the little moment in which I realize this is a fake because people in the Middle East didn't write with quills. They used to write with Reed pens. Okay. That sounds like a very subtle detail. But only and historians I could pick up will be concerned about and you might be thinking wash. But this was a scholarly text not the place for fakes. And it's label said it was a genuine miniature has in the eastern bull university library. What we had here is a modern day forgery masquerading as a medieval illustration as needed scribes it. And the tourist markets are full of they're very clearly fakes. So this isn't something that's all sorts of experts here. But what happens is when they move onto. And how do they get onto the internet? They get onto through these stock photo agencies. Stock photo agencies are the one selling pictures to new sides to books all sorts of anytime, we need an image. And so there was this one particular photographer by the name of Johnny valuer to who is apparently pretty famous found out for photographing pictures, and museums, and he according to the tag lines in these stock indices had photographed a large number of these fake miniatures and said that they were in the stumble university library and they claim prompted NIA to even. No, I went to often do research in that my and I went there, and I asked the rare books collection if they have any of these pictures and said, no and only that they don't take any new. They don't keep collecting new manuscripts. So there's no way that these pieces ever entered their collection. And so that's when I realized that these what essentially were tourists pieces, and that's okay. But once they're on the internet is actually quite hard to tell exactly if they're real or not, especially if you're looking at the image. So my colleagues have been using them unintentionally on in presentations, they've used them on the covers of their conference booklets, they circulate and specially through the internet and through Facebook and Instagram they go even further, and that's win fakes get represented as truth with potentially nasty consequences as you'll hear, but he's another story over.

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"islamic science" Discussed on StarTalk Radio

StarTalk Radio

02:02 min | 4 years ago

"islamic science" Discussed on StarTalk Radio

"Punching an algorithm an off we got i gotta say poorest baseball has passed back and i kinda miss the coach kicking dirt on the shoes of the umpires at all in the face like this yes we see these a little bit of me mrs dan i don't know why it's kind of perverse actual ing because you want the truth to manifest and ideally that way but uh i i don't know i'm for me sport is human and decision making his human and why why do you know if there were no judgments of referees everything was his hammer determined like i said you wouldn't need the referee yeah and a as a financial instrument some human on i got one hero that fpv play is the opposite of what the referee calls how 'bout that you just throw in her a message is now uuh islamic science the ran see the ramp the random bizarro call randall bizarro coffers so now let me ask and this is one of the main reasons we wanted to have used because when you look at this play which is probably the most iconic play in football history never you and i think it's because it is still to this day the most controversial football play despite the fact that it's been books written there's been countless interviews john there's been analysis conducted added infinitum but what happens is irrespective of whatever the data may say the people on one side who actually think that this was a good play they come out seeing the video seeing all the explanations and they say it's a good play the people on the other side who say that oakland raiders were ripped off in that this should have never happened they come out saying it should have never happen there are all looking at the exact same thing and this is what i wanted to get to you about who what is.

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"islamic science" Discussed on StarTalk Playing with Science

StarTalk Playing with Science

02:02 min | 4 years ago

"islamic science" Discussed on StarTalk Playing with Science

"Punching an algorithm an off we got i gotta say poorest baseball has passed back and i kinda miss the coach kicking dirt on the shoes of the umpires at all in the face like this yes we see these a little bit of me mrs dan i don't know why it's kind of perverse actual ing because you want the truth to manifest and ideally that way but uh i i don't know i'm for me sport is human and decision making his human and why why do you know if there were no judgments of referees everything was his hammer determined like i said you wouldn't need the referee yeah and a as a financial instrument some human on i got one hero that fpv play is the opposite of what the referee calls how 'bout that you just throw in her a message is now uuh islamic science the ran see the ramp the random bizarro call randall bizarro coffers so now let me ask and this is one of the main reasons we wanted to have used because when you look at this play which is probably the most iconic play in football history never you and i think it's because it is still to this day the most controversial football play despite the fact that it's been books written there's been countless interviews john there's been analysis conducted added infinitum but what happens is irrespective of whatever the data may say the people on one side who actually think that this was a good play they come out seeing the video seeing all the explanations and they say it's a good play the people on the other side who say that oakland raiders were ripped off in that this should have never happened they come out saying it should have never happen there are all looking at the exact same thing and this is what i wanted to get to you about who what is.

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"islamic science" Discussed on TED Radio Hour

TED Radio Hour

02:16 min | 4 years ago

"islamic science" Discussed on TED Radio Hour

"Works on recruiting other kids you know i'm really involved in the activities um that these guys are doing 1998 i get married the year after that 1999 i had my first child and now that kinda calms me down a bit but what was what was that like the tipping point nine eleven happened nine eleven was really that the the moment that really pushed me over and said you know what i'm out of this like this kind of thinking is obviously wrong saw i thought to myself how is it that i came to subscribe to this idea in the first place and i started to rethink you know what i had gone through and what ahead experienced and i came back i i realize i need to study my religion properly i don't know arabic i didn't study you know the islamic sciences so i said screw it i'm i'm going to go and study when we come back in just a moment hamma bean shakes growing doubts about extremism let him to go undercover as a counterterrorism operative and guy rosner listening to the ted radio hour from npr hey everyone just a quick thanks to two of our sponsors who helped make this podcast possible first two capital one who believes a good credit score can keep your mind at peace you work hard making smart financial decisions at every point keep your credit strong with a credit wise nap from capitol one with credit wise you can view your trans union credit score and get alerts each time your credit is pulled in when your credit report changes and credit wise is free for everyone whether you are a capital one customer or not so download the free credit wise app today to find a state of credit enlightenment thanks also to amiga insurance for over one hundred years emeka has built its reputation on exceptional customer service today it's a company people trust from auto home and life insurance company to recommend to friends and family looking for something different for their insurance needs visit meet emeka dot com slash npr.

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"islamic science" Discussed on The Compass

The Compass

02:09 min | 4 years ago

"islamic science" Discussed on The Compass

"A marriage is professor of arabic an islamic science at columbia university george saliba in orbit bland circulated there are others the need for more and more sophisticated observatory they'll the 13th century when we reach the famous observatory of mud over and when we say observers we just don't mean a telescope on because there were no telescope what you mean is that measuring instrument an economy action of very distinguished astronomers or working together as a team and then when you add to the famous engineer that was brought from damascus to build the instrument for the observatory in maraga by the name of why you're the dinner alerted the copernicus comes in the fifteen censure it to inherited that legacy of objections to follow me during copernicus his student days in renaissance italy he might well have read the very first latin translations of arabic texts arriving from the middle east then he left that fervored atmosphere behind heading back to poland to assume his professional role as a canon and personal physician to the bishop you think his duties would have left him no time for the pleasures of astronomy ioris love but arctic copernicus poorest of liberal your those trick nobody dared to perform members groupies as a member of the cathedral chapter of army bought he never have to worry about is living who loved the strongly because his study of the cosmos them from a need in his heart any wasn't under any command in fact some of his income spent making instruments and our engine places suitable for his observations at night capanic as raced to his observing platform beyond the cathedral walls unfunded family's worldly she sang astronomer edith peel sca is taking merit could kula to her a modern day platform the museums observatory a short drive from from bork.

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