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Isaiah Simmons

Boomer & Gio

07:01 min | 6 months ago

Isaiah Simmons

"We have is Ahah Simmons on the line right now and Isaiah. Simmons is joining us on behalf of Verizon Isaiah. Good morning thanks for joining us. Our you guys doing. We're doing really good You've got a bigger night than we have tonight so How are you feeling about nine? Thirty five this morning about how. It's going to go down a little bit later this evening. I'm really excited Kind of like a dream come to finally become a reality so won't close on Daddy But other than that kind of noise as I've been watching a lot of your tape and as I've been telling our audience here New York over the last couple of weeks. There's something that extremely sudden about you. I mean you get yourself involved in a lot of different things whether you're blitz and the quarterback whether you're intercepting the ball forcing fumbles making tackles along the sideline running running backs down wide receivers down tight ends down. Leads me to the biggest question for you is how do you see yourself in the NFL? What position and what scheme best fits you Obviously after like I really fit any teams just because of the different Bingo new and different divisions but Ideally I say if I can put like it's the role I played in college kind of regained entire Matthew talking to Isaiah Simmons on boomer and Geo the draft such a huge moment in a football career. Isaiah was planning to be with a huge group of family members and friends but because of everything. That's going on not able to be altogether but verizon is helping with the next best thing making that I share some of the biggest news of his life so I know it's an exciting night pretty a little bit bomb that it can't be you know you in a suit and the Roger Goodell Hug in Vegas and all of that I mean. Is that something that you're going to be missing tonight? Yeah I definitely I definitely am You know like I said has accused going. That's something that you always dream of Iraq across the stage Shaping the Commission. His hand but You know it's GonNa be a life changing moment something I've always done so But you know I. I've heard that the NFL has shipped all thirty. Two hats to each of the perspective Draftees for tonight's draft. Is there a particular that you like more than the others? I honestly haven't looked through the mall yet but Yeah I I. Which one did you put on? First Avenue one on yet all right the boomer and Geo with Isaiah seven so giants are a team that we talk about all the time here in New York. Of course they're a team. It's been rumored to be Taking you in mock drafts. If you're paying attention these mock draft so what what's your opinion of the The New York giants organization I don't like an extensive knowledge about them. But you know what I learned a great organization. Great coaching staff a good vision of what they wanNA give. And do you. D- have you delve deep into any teams or the same thing with the hats. You're not putting on any hats and you're not really getting to know any of the teams in another myspace. I can longest pasta so nobody more than anyone else. I'll tell you the guys in and I went through this some thirty five years ago I think is as you just never know what's going to happen and even though I would imagine you have been contacted by a number of these teams at the top of the draft. Is there one team that has been in contact with you more than the others right through and all right? We'll try something else. What do you watch it on TV? I'm more of a Netflix. These guys on TV okay. Same thing did you. Did you see Tiger King? Are you watching too hot to handle? Give me something on it. That was it just seems to say the least That's very different. Yeah did you did you. Carol Baskin killed her husband. Yeah Yeah I mean. There's no way to have any sympathy when talking about How he was just gone anything that she's kind of laughing about it so but that hasn't been here hasn't I don't think that right. And then she talked about the sardines on the shoes. She was like if you really wanted to. Tiger eat a Guy. You put sardine juice on the shoes right then. She's laughing about that. I mean I know I if someone who killed their husband with a tiger. That's who knows that I say I mean come on I mean this is just. It's Isis obvious. All right so once once tiger king was over. What did you binge after that money? Oh boomer boomer has been watching money heist right now. So boomers on like what season five of that so Where where are you in the actually season three? I'm in the middle of season three right now. So they're in the second highest. Did you watch the whole thing? Isaiah? Yeah I'm into this and you are We go all right so I thought gee the budget ask him a question about it. But instead I'll pull the ripcord and say goodbye to Isaiah Simmons and listen. Good luck tonight man. We we appreciate the time this morning and it's going to be a special night for you. Best of luck. So thank you all right. There's Isaiah Simmons of another one. You know they're just so careful about what to say they don't want to say anything wrong. They don't WanNa come off controversial and yet kill the music for a second Eddie. Just because I don't want rush anything here but yeah you're right. I mean nobody's saying anything. I mean this slapped the socially distanced. Nfl draft is finally here and you can follow all the action at Bet. Online dot net wondering who will be the first second and third draft pick. Do you know if more offensive or defensive players will be taken in the first round. Have a hunch on how many trades will take place in the first round maybe oddities like how many draftees dogs will be shown during first round coverage before the draft goes live head over to bed online dot net for the latest props lines in the draft home with Ben Online dot net.

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REShow: Matt Miller and Isaiah Simmons. Hour 1 (04-22-20)

The Rich Eisen Show

57:03 min | 6 months ago

REShow: Matt Miller and Isaiah Simmons. Hour 1 (04-22-20)

"Thank you for listening to this. Podcast one production available on spotify apple. Podcasts podcast one dot com in anywhere else. You get your podcasts. And if I call you all over from the Rich Eisen Show Studio in Los Angeles who rob Tom. How're you been? Would you think of coming back and playing with me? Paul Tampa Bay's as gasps bleacher report. Nfl draft analyst Matt Miller Clemson Linebacker Isiah Simmons Pro Football Hall of Famer. Michael Strahan NBC. Sports Boston Tom. Current CEO Bainer Media Gary beaner chunks. And it's rich Eisen Yes I called. Tj moments before. He just drained the PUTT. Right there in our richeisenshow corner that we have Our leaderboard every day which is our guest list. And we're proud of this guest list today just like every other welcome visitation of the rich. Eisen show live on our Youtube Stream. Youtube dot com slash. Rich Eisen show on Sirius. Xm Dan Patrick Radio Channel to eleven. Where we're thrilled to be on after Dan and the Danettes every single day as soon as Mike Rico's dumb with his lunch talk live on. Nbc US and then we We will be on. Nbc Send for the final two hours. That's when Michael Strain on NBC. Sports Boston Tom. Curren will join us. And then Gary Vein or Chuck Gary V. The investor entrepreneur and one of the gentleman behind the All in challenge that took off so amazingly well. Millions of dollars being raised for people to fight food insecurity right now. So many people go into Hungary and Gary V will be joining us the CEO and Co founder vein or median. So much more diehard jet Fan. That's how we're going to wrap up the show in this first hour Matt Miller of bleacher reports calling in in about eight minutes time. He is their draft Scout. He will be all over the final twenty four hours of BS or separating the wheat from the Chaff. The smoke from the fire and all the smokescreens. We know what's going to go down Tomorrow night in the NFL draft. Isaiah Simmons should not have a long night. I don't think so. He could wind up. Being a giant could wind up being a brown four attend anywhere in between is as Simmons of Clemson. Football will be joining us right in the middle of this first hour. So we're all over this draft all over everything going on and Just when you thought it was all over between the Love Affair Tom Brady and Rob Gronkowski. They cannot quit each other. They cannot quit each other. Oh Gosh let me soak this all in serious dude dude. Whatever you're getting right now just wait till the top of the next hour. Because I don't really have the the room the breath to explore the studio space on this one right now Chris. Brockman my resident mass whole over. There I don't really have that because again Matt Miller is calling in and seven minutes time and we know we know that the Tampa Bay buccaneers will not be in the market for tight end in this year's they have the market cornered on tight ends. I'll tell you what the tight end market in the draft. This year was a maybe at an all time low but that. Oj Howard they still do. They've cameron bright right right. Rob Gronkowski coming at you. The recently unmasked singer is GonNa come back into the National Football League. Just a cup of coffee with the. Wwe doors twenty four seven Champions Cup of coffee sitting on the sidelines dancing with the laker girls and have a good time with it is best life man. If there's ever been something that we need it's a reunion between Tom Brady and Rob Gronkowski with Bruce Arians stoned right in the middle. Oh Baby Oh man. Do we ever need football to start on time this year? Right WHAT SCENARIO BRADY GRONK? And they have to pro bowl wide receivers already there at the going and they've got the fourteenth overall pick in this draft tonight. I'll be on the air at nine eastern time on NFL network. I'll be live from Stage two in my office otherwise known as the left corner of my desk. That'll be after. I'll be on stage one rehearsing this afternoon in the zoom meeting with me on and Kevin. Hart's apparently going to zoom in all right. He's Hardier outs. I wait this afternoon. That'll be undrafted. Thon PREPARATION OF DRAFT. Ifan live tomorrow night by the way. How about Tom Brady coming on? And let's Talk Rock Talk Rock in the first half hour drafted on live tomorrow night. Nfl twitter facebook twitter and Youtube. I bet you Brady's he can't get his camera work in. That'd be working. How does Zoom Zoom Room at that time our our second our guest Michael Stray who by the way is also taking part in Gary? V's all in challenge. It's Nice Nice ticket package for when we're all out of this madness back to real normal life again when Gronk and Brady will be out there and Pewter Tampa Bay Florida. I sense that I smelled it. We we we whiffed it last year and now. I guess after a year of being part you're being a part gronk decides to tell the Patriots. I WANNA play with Tom to their credit. By the way they say okay to their credit to Bella Bella checks crafts credit. Like okay. You don't WanNA play for us. You don't play for him. Go thanks for the memories that thanks for the thanks for the great play for all those years thanks to his name you could have totally been spiteful about this thing right -solutely been spiteful about this thing we'll say and Tom GonNa join us in the third hour today but he wrote a com-. Yesterday he said that Bill has always been about what's good for the team football business and it made a football business decision. They now have a fourth round. Pick that they did not have. That's right and they traded a guy that they didn't plan on having anyway because he retired and you could sit there and say what's the fourth round pick. What happened in the sixth round? Pick of two thousand. You hit the Jackpot anywhere. We'll all those picks. Now look at that we got to. We've got to adjust. We gotta get you gotTa Change. The FONT FONT gets smaller. Have a dozen picks right look at that. They got four. I got four picks in the first three rounds. Twelve picks overall. You could put a couple of those thirds and a fourth. Maybe a second even next year and move. They're not gonna do that thinking to stay put. Now they're gonNA turn the emissary second it'll be jarred stood up to to Cameron break and commendable probably to maybe the OJ Howard. Maybe he'll come up too soon too soon. It's too soon for me to go all in in the manner in which I truly want to go all in because we have too much to. What's going on right? Now is the draft tomorrow. It we get a lot of NFL draft draft our first hour year Matt Miller of Bleach report calling any was gonNA call in about thirteen minutes time when Isaiah Simmons said. Hey I'll come on in the first hour we're like okay. We're all good. Let's do it right there. We go okay. I mean I was eating my feelings a little bit yesterday afternoon around like twelve thirty when all this was going down I had a good cry. Did you really now okay? I'm fine. I'm del Tufo. You gotta who said last week when we were chewing on this figuratively. I'm usually zero point. Zero drop by the way thanks to our friends at NBC. Sports in the Sunday night football on NBC twitter handle. They're right on it soon. As grant got traded to the bucks they cut a show from last week. We're talking about now and DEL. Tufo saying never going to happen. You played the zero point zero drop. It's a warmer climate. We are here. We are here we are. You say you won't have to eat it. Nbc later on not today not today. It's not happening. He ain't playing yet. He's got a play by the way but I will say that has played honesty. I'll I'll do some would immediately. Some what could he cut the same swath? Mo- along literally right next to the piece that you're eating that much of this outta his shorts. Your camera please to your. There's no way I'm eating vice that I cut out it's about. It's about a half inch by half Jake. Brockman put in the middle of a peanut butter and Jelly Sandwich Gusting. I want to eat it because the eagles made the playoffs. He said that he would eat hat. And by the way mclovin the fact that you took mccloughan de Beta that led to that mclovin Bait by the way great fantasy team and it's good. It's good took McLaren twitter and said there's no way. The Eagles make the playoffs if they do. All my led hat. They shouldn't have made the playoffs. They were terrible. Eight four four zero four rich number to dial. We'll take your phone calls later on. Can't wait to do it on. Nbc S N Right now though He is known ads. Nfl draft scout on both twitter instagram. And he has the draft expert from bleacher. Report joining us right now here on the rich. Eisen show a day before the NFL draft. He's Matt Miller. How are you matt? I'm Dole well rich. Thanks appreciate it. You got it. So now. How does out is taking Tampa out of the tight? End Market Mess with your mock mock draft in the fourth or fifth round. Okay I have a seven around. That comes up tomorrow and crazy dog so yesterday when the Trade God's leak you know like schefter and everybody's tweeting about I'm panicking like what got traded. Because I'm going to have to Redo something right. Something's GonNa Change in a seven around mock draft two days before the draft so I was so thankful that it was a fourth and a seventh rounder. That's easy okay. I can move things around no big deal if it had been a first rounder Yeah I would be. I'd be very upset right now. I Bet I bet so. Let's let's get to What you think's going to happen tomorrow. It's going to be borough young or do you see any sort of Hail Mary happening. Are you hearing of anything? No not and it's you know it's boring. I know For everyone who does this for a living we would love to have some injuries right now but I. I don't think there is any JOE. Borough has been the number one pick since the bengals earned the right to draft him first overall. And after that I I think Washington. They probably kick the tires on the quarterbacks justicy you know just to see if there's a guy that you like better than what you already have once they acquired tile and to be the backup slash competition at quarterback. I think that ended any talk of two going there or Justin Herbert or any of the other quarterback so it feels like the first two picks tomorrow night might be a little boring for you guys. Well you know what it's it's all good man because these guys are some of the best players in college football that we've seen in the past several years and they had incredible years and now they're gonNA come to the NFL and will will enjoy them when we get a chance to enjoy them So third overall I give you the choice of the Lions picking trading out. What do you think happens? I would pick trading out. I think they're they're trying to generate a market right now and I think a lot of the smokescreens you're going to see leaked over the next forty eight hours. We'll be to that point of you know they're going to try to generate a market so someone comes up for a quarterback. The dolphins have been waiting for this moment for feels like two years to draft their quarterback of the future. They have three first responders this year to second rounders to second to trying to next year they have fourteen picks in the draft. So they WANNA pop up a couple spots from five to three to make sure that they get their guy. It's not because you have to jump the giants. It's just to make sure that you get your guy. No one certainty. I could see that happening and I think the lions are going to be willing to lower that price in order to do this. I don't think it'll be like the the colts and jets trade a couple of years ago. Where the colts move back from three to six so the jets can get Sam Darnold. I think asking price to be significantly lowered that okay so I guess now that we're we're a couple minutes in here. Matt Miller a bleacher report. The intrigue is what we think it is and it's too on the evaluation of tool and And whether the dolphins are putting up a tremendously effective smoke screen. Where the number of mock drafts that? I'm seeing that. Have Justin Herbert going to Miami or Miami going in a different direction of of in Tula It's become a cottage industry. I wonder where you sit on that subject right now on everyone else and I think I have been for quite some time with its mock draft. Isn't what you do as a general manager. It's what you're hearing Daniel. Jeremiah says that better than anyone And so everything. You're hearing is Justin Herbert. The dolphins like Justin Harbor. They're worried about the medicals with to it. You do wonder because everyone's saying it so is it either. Is it like Daniel Jones last year where everyone saying it to the point that you start to doubt it. You start to wonder if it's true and so I. I've definitely gone through that as well as you know you put just at Harvard. There are five and then you start to over think it of course. Justin Herman Really Bryant floors kind of guy. Are they really going to roll the dice on her cry and he was never great in college? It was pretty good. His most you know his best performances at the senior bowl. Where it's basically a scrimmage or the combine where it's you know you're throwing against air. I think that is you start to doubt that in the back of your head of to this you know what he has a passer he says great pass. It's drew brees esque at times but yeah there are some injury concerns. But if you just had to compare these two quarterbacks it's not even close to. It is so much better as a quarterback prospect. I know that the injuries come into play in that. That's going to be the deciding factor for Miami. But you're right rich every Ma. Drafty read and every person you talked to around the league right. They don't feel like Miami is GonNa Take Justin Herber. Well who was it? Yesterday Chris who said Marino was the one who chiming in on this front as well right. It was breer right. Algebra was telling us that he thinks that he says in his reporting Marino is saying that he loves Justin Herbert a big guy with a big arm etc and so on and so forth you know. I just can't believe that here. We finally are. The dolphins put an all the work and buy the work. I mean trading. Everybody Evalu- away you know. And then However putting the their tank job in the hands of the antitank quarterback in fits fits magic that they're still with all of that here we are and it sure. Looks like they're gonNa have to was sitting right there at five. They won't even have to move up to Detroit. It seems like to go get and they're gonNA they're gonNA pass. They really are. I mean not the fans are GonNa riot if and when that happens because even if you if you tweet. I'm hearing the dolphins one Justin Herbert's dolphins science come out in mass of you. Don't know what you're talking about. There's no way we'll pass onto A. They've had their heart set on this quarterback for at least a year. And now you're GONNA be there. He's on the clock. You didn't have to trade up you didn't have to go. Winless the guy you wanted. Tank virtue he's there and they're not gonNA take him. I think it's it's GonNa be it's GonNa be interesting to see the reaction when that happened. Okay Matt Miller here on the rich. Eisen show Joining me the day before the National Football League draft before we all get ready in our in our shelter in place for this whole For this whole extravaganza very excited about that Matt Miller bleacher report on the rich Eisen. Show what happens next then so too passed up on. Do you think the chargers to say there. Thank you and take him sixth. I hope so right. That's where you you get to the point of a again. I think over evaluation with two and the information out there right now so they do like tyrod Taylor. I wonder if they like tyrod so much why he didn't play last year. And I know Philip Rivers is future hall of Famer and you want to be respectful to that. But you're also trying to win football games so I think that all this noise about they really like tyrod. They think he could be the guy next year. They might think that but that's also a very effective way to put out there. Hey we might not draft a quarterback so you hope one false to you and so I do think. The chargers take to You're moving into a new stadium. You gotTA sell tickets. You need a face of the franchise on offense. He can be that when you're competing with the Rams s-o-f-i stadium you get a guy who's from Hawaii so there's kind of some west coast routes there as well and I I do like. He's the most recognizable player in this draft. It's not Joe Borough. It's on tour. He is hands down. You're playing Alabama. The stage that he played on the everyone watches the casual playoff the national championship. Where he comes in at halftime and then leave come back over. Georgia like to as the face of this draft and for the chargers to get that make sense from a business standpoint. It makes sense from a football standpoint is is almost good to be true soon as I hang up the phone with you Matt Miller I say hello to Isaiah Simmons of WHO says hello to Isaiah Simmons on Thursday night Matt Rule is going to be calling him number seven overall I just oh what an amazing player. You're going to have a good time talking to him as well as a great human being he. I I feel like another guy like where do you play them? Play on Defense. What do you mean were you play? Where would you play? Sean Taylor if he were in the NFL right now that's replay Isaiah Simmons One Week. He's a safety the next week. He's a he's GONNA be able to blitz. He's going to be able to stop the run. And this is the answer to mobile quarterbacks. This is the answer to tight end. Who run a four in the forty yard dash so do the panthers you gotTa Head Coach Coordinator Came From College? That offense coordinator so would. I did his lsu tigers in the first half other national championship game to me. That's a slam. Don't you lose Luke Kuechley? Thomas Davis gone a couple of years. Now they have their quarterback teddy they trade for an offensive tackle Russell. Oh come the table set for them to draft Isaiah Simmons and I think they're uniquely positioned with you know some college coaches on that staff to know how to unleash him so that he's not just being okay. You're you're plugging you in. You're a Mike linebacker. Good luck against often some guards. They would put him in a position to succeed. Every play Matt Miller bleacher report few minutes left with the lead. Nfl draft writer bleacher report here the day before the NFL draft right here on the rich. Eisen show so give me teams that are going to be trading up. Do you think for these eight nine ten picks or maybe even for Carolina's seventh. Just in case. GimMe Gimme. GimMe what you hearing the rumors of the trade down front. I don't think it's any surprise. The Atlanta Falcons Thomas Dementia. If there's one of the most aggressive James Football so I think they would like to trade up for C. J. Anderson the corner from Florida and this might be the spot. Seven overall could be that spot. You want to get ahead of the Jacksonville Jaguars who could also take him. If he's gone off the board I think Jacksonville's a team that can trade out and we could be looking at the broncos trading up for Jerry Judy at wide receiver. Maybe the box really WANNA make sure they get their offensive tackle for Tom Brady. They could trade up and try to get one of those top tackles before you have that run of the browns jets who most likely take one off the board. So those teams right right in the middle I think. The buccaneers the broncos the Falcons at Fourteen fifteen sixteen. Are the most intriguing in terms of? Who's going to move up tomorrow night? I put Trevor Lawrence in this quarterback draft class. You put him where Matt I he would be. Gosh probably our overall. He's he's incredibly good and still getting better. I hope to God we get to see him. Play College football this coming fall because he's truly special. He's a little bit stronger than Joe. Borough and a little bit more athletic so I. I think he would be the first pick. You Know Joe. Borrow through sixty touchdown passes right. I Love Joe Borrow. He's my guy. I'm a huge jober open but that I told you how good Trevor Lawrence does right. I mean like that. And that's do you think that that is A prevailing evaluation. I right now but yeah I mean. I'm old enough to remember when everybody thought that liner was going to be the first you know it was like for three years in that line it was going to be the first pick in the draft and and you know we go through these cycles of once you get to actually break the guy down. You'll find some flaw. You'll find something you know. He's a little skinny or there'll be something but I think as of now the the upside would. Trevor Lawrence is probably as good as you know you have to go back to like Andrew. Lock or Peyton Manning where you see this Guy Coming. And there's not really anything he doesn't do. Well your best guess where Jordan love goes best. Guess I'll say the colts Maybe they have to move up to get him but I think the colts at thirty four are a really really interesting option where he doesn't have to play right away and you can just let that arm. Shrink developed remember Ballard with in Kansas City. When they when they were all over I know he was gone by the time. They drafted him. But I think Chris Ballard could look at this and say might be my shot to get a a rare athlete with a huge arm. We could sit. Let him learning developed for a year. Yeah let's let's linger on this one for a second Matt. I mean here's a couple of things first of all. If Jordan love drops in the first round is now. I'm beginning here. That's the prevailing thought. And that he he starts getting down in the late. Twenties and early Thirties. Somebody who's going to hop back into the first round. Make sure that they get an extra year of contractual control on him. I don't think he's GonNa fall out of the first round just for that alone. I think someone is GonNa get itchy about it and say let's be smart about it. Let's not wait till next. Let's not wait till tomorrow nuts. Let's not give other general managers a full night to call everybody around and try and get him at the top of Friday night. Let's get them. Now let's get an extra year of contractual control and I don't know if the culture that team because let's say again. Knock on wood if you're with me. Football goes down on time this year. Philip Rivers. The this is the time you gotta fill it up for Phil Right now. You can't just sit sit here and use your use your draft choice that That that you have. That's your best on something other than setting things up for Phillip to win right now. I agree with that completely. The colts have no quarterback under roster for two thousand twenty one. Though I mean everyone's a free agent so at some point they're going to have to make a move and it does not seem Chris Ballard to wait so you know what we'll be in next year on Trevor Lawrence Freelance Justin Fields. We're GONNA put all our eggs into this. We believe we can win now. Covers all our eggs in that basket. We'll figure out next year we get to next year. There are teams. Like that. I mean Ballard is just too smart To be that guy they pick it thirty four like you said if he starts to slide you might not have to come up that for to get him to where it's not completely depleting. I think they only have six choices in this draft. So you're not completely depleting your draft reserves to get a player that I it. It's a little bit boring because you're drafting someone who's not helping you this year but If for some reason bill goes down or plays like he did in December. You might need that quarterback faster than you think you do. I that that's just an interesting aspect of the draft is just. How far do you have to move up and if love gets down to say where? San Francisco's The I mean the niners would love for love to drop right down to thirty one because they're looking to get out and start replenishing. We talked to John Lynch yesterday. They don't have a second third or fourth they they they need some more Second night they need a second night pick and I think that that might be something right. There Matt Miller here on the rich Eisen show. Give me names guys that. Are you love that you think would be a great selection for a team either on Thursday night or Friday? Give me those names Matt. Job Rose my guy. I know that he's GonNa be the first pick so that boring to say but I I fell in love with him in Austin Texas early. September watching him beat my beloved Texas Longhorn. So that's maybe I'm cheating on that one but Antoine winfield junior from Minnesota. He had a great combine man. E-e-eddie rate combine grace. Thorpe award as. Well let's just no disrespect the great. He should won the Thorpe. Seven picks three sacks He was the heart and soul of that team every time I watch him play. I think I'm watching Tire Matthew. Back in college. It just an impact on every snap on defense that little underside. Noah banged up in college but he is one of those dudes. I'm going to be rooting for no matter. Where he lance. Because it's just a little bit of a throwback in the way he plays and it's it's infectious and you fall in love watching his game right and like I said great combine stellar. He did everything perfectly that day in Indianapolis he was. He was terrific I'm what about a a a final day pick? What do you think fourth fifth? Sixth who? Who's WHO's sitting out there that you think whether it's a quarterback prospect receiver. GimMe a couple of names on that front. I don't know if he'll last long enough. But I am really intrigued by Tonio Gibson from Memphis. He only touchable like seventy seven times a college but he scored fourteen touchdowns. It's incredible place them running back placing wide receiver so finding the right fit for him is going to be interesting. But I wouldn't be shocked if it's three years and we're really watching the straps like everyone was last night watching the twenty seventeen when it saying. Gosh Tonio Gibson fall to the third or fourth round. Because he's an instant playmaker Again whether it's running back wide receiver return man. I think he's someone who's got to find a way to get the ball in his hands in a creative offense coordinator is GonNa really like the traits that he's bringing to the table. Matt appreciate the time man enjoy the draft. However you're taking it and enjoy. I appreciate that rich. Thank you got you got us. Matt Miller right here from bleacher report on the rich Eisen. Show Isaiah Simmons going to be calling in our guest line in a second before unpack all that. Let me tell you about our friends at Geiko if you are renting your home or owning it and You know it's hard work right. 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Starting at the starting at the combine all the way through the week before the draft and then the powers that be at the NFL Media Group would twist his arm so severely he would finally say okay few years ago. He's like okay. I'll do a mock draft and is the guy who burst onto the scene with. Nfl Network has a draft expert by pegging Aaron Rodgers dropping all the way to twenty four to Green Bay the year that he and Alex Smith came out. I love seeing that footage on. Nfl Network. Where I'm sitting there with hair in a split screen before and I'm GonNa give you. I'm gonNA give you a Aaron Rodgers all the way twenty four. You nailed so Tonight at nine eastern time we we ran through. We were hearst it yesterday because they want to work out the kinks of exaggerating the bandwidth. If you WANNA make sure with is not a problem the same with the NFL deadline. Monday right call the rehearsal. So here's what I will say the quarterback group that where he's got these guys going is a little surprising to say the least all right. I can't give you than the over-under on the number of quarterback he's got the first round because that's spoiler alert for how long you should stick around right and the wide receiver group. If it goes down the way that he saying that it goes down would be quite something. Because he's got it. All jumbled up in terms of the order you think you know it's Judy and Rugs and Sandy Lam and don't forget about Jefferson where he's Got Jefferson. Going would be somewhat of a little bit of an eyebrow okay and then he's got he's he includes trades he included includes a big trade in the top ten in the top ten. Yes Sir Fun. I want to confirm or deny cannot confirm or deny but this is what he puts altogether everything that he's hearing and seeing and talking about with all of the individuals that are out there and is nine o'clock eastern either nine o'clock eastern tonight again. I'll be on stage two. Which is the left corner of my desk. And my office and Again I it's it's something and by the way just again. I just WANNA give Kudos here on on Channel Two Eleven Sirius. Xm and also our youtube stream dot com slash rich Eisen show. Our producers are all sheltered in place or director sheltered in place. It's amazing how we're how this is all being done on. Nfl Network right now with no control room in Los Angeles. It's amazing crazy right and at some point you know my Internet may have to get reset. My dog may come in the room. You never know that could be your underdog pick your. That could be your underdog. Do you have a poll question for the top of the show is eight seventy two. I'm just GONNA go for it here. We're just GONNA go for it. How did the Bucks Finish Twenty twenty? Let's just go for it. There's all anybody's talking about. They're getting a choice to super team together to make the Super Bowl make NFC championship win. The South missed the playoffs. Miss the playoffs. If you think someone's GonNa hit the mistake. I think there are a lot of people who think no matter what they're going to go eight nate not a chance. Not a chance just remember. The browns were one the off season where the fourth bedding favorite. Now if the case if you're wondering while we wait for as as Simmons how this affected Super Bowl odds gronk move yesterday as the box went from eleven to one to ten to one. That's wow not a big move not a big move. Still behind their the fifth betting favourite where they were after. They got Tom Brady. What is the matter? But they're still behind the saints at ten to one the niners plus eight fifty. The Ravens are six to one in chief. So it's still your favourite putting a grand on that eleven to two at ten one just so you know I do. Not Accounts Dmitrov is calling right now. I wonder what's going on. Actually Jesse not does he go to Thomas He is putting you on Speaker in the passenger. Darn it on speaker on on a minute. I Dunno but dial rich. I don't know about that. I don't know Thomas does things I called on the air. Actually you want us to come in the air. Simmons is going to be nine forty okay so we have some time. When I'm on air almost a call Thomas almost picked up. What's up what's Do you think he called us. From from that setup. I sure so so On that front we've got more General Manager Slash coaching. Oh Home Office. Draft Room setups. That will reveal later on in our number two one. But here okay. That's it. Maybe he called from there right there. Sitting on that couch are those touchscreens. Can you just touch your face and I don? I have no idea clarifying those are not him and he sent us another angle right. A lot of people were commenting on the lamp in the background. About now which lamb. Lamp that lamp in the back around the one right in the corner. That looks like a monk. Yeah I got. Alas Monkey Lamp people were commenting on. That is that is that what they don't front are those are totally Eminem. See let me sour. Those are eminent. M asked for those who are for those who are at home maybe mimicking with Don Buoy. Seeing my ear. Trust me. I am a veteran of the national. Football League drafts and a veteran. Eight crusty hall of fame veteran of all teams. Y'All have had EMINEM's and they're all many of them are white. And they're written stamped on them. And you could see will be the Falcons logo if you wanted to zoom in on the way you can get customary if I'm at the. Nfl has customs and at Radio City. Music Call Me Eminem's it'd be sitting there and this is well before the. Wash your hands. Fifteen Times a day I would rich. I dug in rich to on those rehearsal days. Nfl Network Ams Zoom in those birds. Right there Yup. Those are probably from the drafts. It nope I'm sure they are. And he took them and gray. Hold on a minute. Hold on a second. He responded we have time to call it time to call him back. I will say rich. We've got about. We got about eight or nine minutes before. Oh man he worked a little blue in my text these tax to me. Oh I just told him call back. Let's see if he does. He does all put wants to call them on the mainland. I Don know by the way I just find it funny that yesterday. You guys were like you should text Bella. Check yes to take a picture of his set of trading grop me. This is what the guy would have been the perfect size. If you've got a text on busy which by the way if could you imagine if Dmitrov calls in while Hook them up with Simmons say Hey i. Tam Percents Hamper Tampering. I don't know if you WANNA get involved trading up for only the merge call Button Ranchi. Come an expert in here these these days if a lot of calls if you text bill anyone. I'm busy yesterday on this laugh. All man you're bringing him up. He's here Courtesy old spice he is one of the top prospects and they twenty twenty. Nfl draft live here on the rich Eisen. Show Front Clemson. Football Isaiah Simmons. How're you is air? I'm good how you doing. I'm fine where have I found you? Where are you right now? That's where you now. Why are you in there while you're there right now? So this from you're from there. How did you wind up at Clemson? Isaiah Simmons Yeah so cousin came superleague. They came about a month before Hiding Day and the reason I came was on curves because see degree. They all declared for the National Championship are after the National Championship. Twenty thirteen so Coach has on his life just from the area as well as history. I can't stay so yeah around here and got my film to them. And he said he'd love it immediately. you know ever since visit there. The rest is history. So that's how he found you in the middle of this country right there in Kansas. And that's how you wound up. A clemson. Tiger is basically because his wife had ties to the area. Isn't that amazing? How that works sometimes owner. Who else was knocking on your door. At the time. Oh Michigan Big Ten schools a lot of twelve okay. Let me linger on that. You know where I went to school is and that's where I went to school. I went to the University of Michigan. Why didn't you choose that institution of Higher Learning and excellence? Why don't you go there? What have you been? I've been clemson before Clemson and no Michigan's the all time greatest spot on planet earth. Isaiah you don't you don't know what you don't know told you that. Who told you that they call it country Don't shoot the best job but I'm just. I'm just letting you know what all know. Davos also pretty damn convincing when he wants to be. I bet right is here. So what's Your W- what was your relationship with him like because I I'm sure and I heard that's why I'm saying I'm sure you WANNA play offense Isaiah right. You wanted to get some snaps on the offensive side of the ball correct So there's there's I'm not gonNA say a couple of games where you know. We were up my coaches letting one go ball and at the quarterback ride and you know he. He wasn't really go on for he would just laugh. And you know kind of gives you a lot of these games. So I'm like maybe I'll get a shot. So they they told me picks that I'll get my chance so I got one and I get my hands that year. So this past we get a bed. Corn Ohio State. Let you get wants to look beyond what? Because he just didn't want me to go out there and he's looks like if you go get in the fourth quarter. Were up by forty points. So I'm the tall out of the goodness I was hard but think a lot more so How good of a receiver can you be? I know you did it in high school but Clemson as we all know is maybe why you right now with with who are seeing performing the NFL. How good can you beat that position? I had twenty nine reception for nine hundred ninety four yards and seventeen touchdowns so. I'm being go out there and say okay and then. Interestingly enough there is a debate a raging debate actually amongst NFL scouts and NFL. Evaluators is to. What's the best position for you in the NFL? What is the best position for you in the NFL? Simmons you call it what do you what do you? What do you make of that? Yeah I think what the creative coordinator somebody legal utilize the personnel. That they have that I could play a similar role that I play that Clinton You see it happen now with tyrod. Matthew James could still play a similar role in the game From everywhere just like I just like I did in college. That's a smart answer. You could've gone a Michigan. That's such a smart answer. You could have been a Michigan member. I mean 'cause you're not GonNa peg right there but what were you most comfortable. Then which level you most comfortable in? Isaiah. I don't I don't really believe that there's a level that I'm more comfortable and then another cause I'm just as comfortable rushing the passer. I am out and covered so talking down into one. Isaiah Simmons here on the rich. Eisen show a few more minutes left with zero. Who's here courtesy of old spice which we'll get to in a second? How many teams have you been chatting with for the most part just out ten? Okay so Giants you chatted with the giants okay You chatted with the browns chatted with the Browns Isaiah briefly. Dolphins you chat with the dolphins briefly. Have you chatted with the Patriots? Isaiah Simmons you tell me yes or no. Have you chat with the New England Patriots? I have not actually Y- my just my at the combine now at the combine. Okay did you did you chat with Bill. Belichick himself at the combine mainly just Because coordinator but he who question so bill. Belichick was in the room when you were there. All right What he did what he ask you. What are you ask you can you remember? I can't really remember all. He is smart. Yeah that's like fight club. You can't talk about ballot. Check your right. I don't WanNa get you in trouble. I don't WanNa ruin your dress stock but you draft. Stock is not reasonable. Quite frankly I mean you are on fire as anybody is right now. If I told you that when you were growing up in Kansas what would you said I woulda quite impossible. Let's see this wall slightly overlooked. I like it okay. So you're you're striking a blow for all of football in the state of Kansas. That's right I'm trying to help time. How's the guys you know? I'm trying to just pay the way. They'll everything will be easier to. There's a little bit you know. GotTa love their. He's alleged around here but I'm just breaking my shovel my Baolong. He'll pay a little lawn. Jordy Nelson Right. Can't forget Jordi Geordies at Kansas State? Guy Right let's not forget him and now and I'm sure forgetting many others and now you Isaiah Simmons. Okay so Old Spice is GonNa Start donating a bunch of money on behalf of you and other and other prospects correct. That's what's going on. It's fights yeah well to be three hundred twenty thousand dollars Just to to united way just to to support our privilege guys and their families. So I'm really excited to partner with them just because of the great history that they have of helping athletes as well as how. It's going to be a great jumps are on the back to the community that I ended up in I grew. I grew up wearing those buys. Dan Day out for grandfather war. All I really do so they will now You know like my dream coming true of being drafted and they get partner with something. I grew up in Does really cool and also. It's a good thing that happened to mind at all. That's great I'm happy for you is a Simmons You know so many giants fans watch you play against Ohio state and we're texting me saying that's our that's my guy that that's my guy that's what they're all saying. I know you peg yourself but New York City. That's not a bad spot New Jersey New York City right to live. I've only I don't think I want I. I don't know about you gotta use to the cold I mean. Kansas is not the warmest spot all the time. So you got to be just fine with that right yeah. I'm not you know the weather. That's not that's not because like you said you saw everything here in Kansas. But no you don't know much about it. All Right Isaiah will look you know. I'm from that area if you do wind up in that area on Thursday night You know how to reach me and plus. I don't know if you're aware but you know I've been with NFL network since two thousand three When you're way before your old spice wearing days so when you enter the National Football League and my show calls the rich Eisen show calls you have to. It's it's mandatory that you that you appear on the show. I don't know if you're aware of that okay about that one. That is not an acceptable. Answer we'll see about that one. The answer is okay rich. Come on no what? A man can't make no problems. You don't know what you don't know I guess. Is Richardson all full? Circle Art Isaiah. I'll just take that as a yes. That's the way I'll take it and and we'll chat down the road. Good luck to you. Have a great draft night. Hope it's as quick as you want to thank you right back at you. That is as Simmons. I'll tell you what man he could've education he's smart. He's New York area market. That will be great. Let him go hunt and play in the New York City area. That was delightful. Even though he absolutely we the Heisman at the very end rector gave you all kinds of business in that interview. He can he can defend. It is a really good player. Grown IS GROWN ASMAT boy. Let's give this guy some credit like that. He said he only talked teams in the top. He's like Dionne how we're going to. We're just the top ten. Sh wouldn't even speak to somebody down at ten. That's why I spoke to the browns for a little bit a little bit. What time was it? That's the time that's what I gave. The browns nine twenty nine forty six Pacific. That's the time I gave the browns or good. Let's give this man some credit. Let's give him some run calling the rich. Eisen show is he did last week. This man had the crystal ball. His name is Jeremy From Alabama. Jeremy we thought of you yesterday the minute that this grunk trade happen. We all did my phone my foul my instagram and twitter blue. They announced yesterday. Walk everybody through Jeremy. If they're new to Jeremy from Alabama and this old gronk playing Tampa thing walk everybody through that process. I give you the floor sir. Thank you sir. Bye Week. I saw the scenario just I. It was a perfect storm. When you when you just look at it and the Gronkowski and Florida with the wwe and you saw Tom. Go down there. The top obey drunken nears are now going to go. Nine and with nine wins. They're gonNA sneak in and a wildcard. I just think How how great is it? I mean I just I. My question is this. Do I need to send a recipe in for the hat to be eaten or you know? Send Arrest Whatever del Tufo stealing right now guys to focus where you're looking at a cat phone out over with what I want to eat it with. That's how it goes does peanut butter toast done. You've done so the question Renoir. Lamar Lamar no little. What little in and out Burger and PIZZA SLICE OF PIZZA? It's going to be talking. It'll be it'll be topping pizza. We're folding you're from the East Coast Pizza. Jeremy Jeremy I think I think you know as much as you'd like to play as much as you'd like to spike the football like Gronk. I think we have to let might choose the method of his demise of his masticate method. I think has got to be a lot more with the fact that he's not playing for the Patriots a meal for me. That's victory meal the fact that Brady the watch implying that Tampa Bay gronk and ears Jeremy Alabama. You're on fire so your phone was blowing up the friends and yesterday people are blowing up out. It's great man. Oh my gosh you called it my goodness you're the one you're the one who called in here. So what about that possibility knife? I heard it. You had me at. Hello and I'm like we're going to pound that drum and I thought we'll just pounded may because that's stuff to talk about after the draft and who knew it was underneath our draft Christmas tree two days before the chimney. Well what happens with our now. I made trade up investor at all. I don't think so I think he might. He might be thrown into a trade. Maybe draft night with somebody. But I don't think that would be fodder to move up. I don't think I mean first. Round is serious. Business mean first round series business to go from fourteen two nine at someone who WanNa draft choice. I think I don't know maybe I'm wrong. We'll see Jeremy you've nailed everything so that'll definitely happen on Thursday night. Thanks for the call. I will say this chant. They were seventy nine last year in a in a horrible division other than New Orleans. Thanks to the clean at Jeremy. I appreciate congrats. You deserve it that. Thanks for calling in Germany Alabama. At Bucks have been trying to move. Oj Howard for few days. No thanks no takers. So far by the way how about how about if this was in the offing from the beginning which it had been had to open the whole conversation of Brady's Brady's insisting on Antonio Brown common that's a that's rich gronk was coming all along was in the. Oh yeah the whole time. Oh Yeah Oh yeah I thought this is dead like hey let me see where you land Tom. We'll see where you land works out. We we play acted last year with Gronk last summer. Yeah I just posted that again. If you WanNa hit that I played a Michigan. Man Named Tom. He played a future hall of fame. Tight end named rob and we play acted on the conversation. How would go last Thanksgiving and that conversation may happen but not for the Patriots Tampa Different Story? I love leg great. Great Great tweet. Yeah well it seems like legged had no choice on the bucks official Roster Gronk already has eighty took it from him. They took it from great tweet. Just a great tweet. What an absolute beautiful beautiful turn of events just beautiful. Hey Man Look. I'm happy I'm happy. I'm happy for bucks. I really don't believe that for second enemy and I'm happy I appreciate you taking one one time wears. It's cool cross talk. Show this enjoying every minute of this joy what I've got to experience for the last twenty years and along. I'm just happy L zero. Our old buddy bucks fan congrats. Oh look that's the hot take. We're all looking for right there. He didn't retire from football. He retired from Bella check. He retired 'cause he was hurt. He he heard he needed a break. Beat up bill. He just needed. That's looking for. They're not here for the way. Speaking of hot takes big notice the Dan Shaughnessy twitter yesterday. No Sir Oh talking about how grunk screwed. The pats fans should be pissed at Gronk for about what not playing last year? No about when he when he chose to retire kind of screwed the PATS and free agency. And then doing all this. You know my mind. Everybody's got their own world to live in Amman. Dan got their own world to live. I'm not here for GRONK. Slander obey Kraken House. Funny have you heard that anywhere else? I saw top obey Gronk and SLA stroke rehearsing. I was melting down. Remember doing rehearsing trying to be present is a dead. Oh is it personally Harvey News? What's going on with that comeback? After three years off they'll not all not ready returned the NFL thought it was on. The edge came back. I'm a training with the former Olympian. By the way that's me. You just want to reveal that here on my body's feeling good mentally better. My family's good timing is right. Hopefully as its head screwed on right. That's what you're going to the bucks to are they just wanting everybody Dude I've really dream He went there. You go there it is was. I didn't even see that. Go by the way. Everyone's GonNa be knocking on that door. Nfc SOUTH BRADY NFC south. You got two years. Tom Plan two more years. Go for it. It's just two more that three more. Maybe forty three forty four forty five percent. His is for two years oh they can extend it not the last dance. Laser has money. Oh my gosh. They got a couple of blocks. Oh okay here's a you know it's very rare that I just want to meditate on the air because they just want my head to be totally clear for the top of the next hour when I got enough runway to make a meal of this whole thing. It's coming your way. Just want to give you that heads up. Go ahead make a meal of this whole thing. So I'm good with it Tom. Curren will be on at the top of our third and final hour to give us the the boots on the ground thoughts on all of this from NBC Sports Boston NBC S. An audience will join us in just a few minutes time. Michael Strahan's first up can't wait to chat with Our good friend love this guy. Pro Football Hall of Famer. Did we just talk to the Next New York giant Isaiah Simmons Airbus Gary Chuck the CEO and Co founder of media. 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'Valentine's Views:' Making the case for Isaiah Simmons at No. 4; Free agent audio clips

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'Valentine's Views:' Making the case for Isaiah Simmons at No. 4; Free agent audio clips

"Podcast listeners. We are amazing avenue. The espy nation New York mets site. I'm Chris McShane and every week Brian Salvator and I discussed the current state of the mets Automated Avenue audio the show. We try to look at the mets from a somewhat logical point of view and not get too deep into panic city. We also answer your emails give weekly music recommendations and try not to get too frustrated with the team. You can find the show on apple podcasts on stitcher on spotify or wherever you get your podcasts. And let's go mets. Hello giants fans welcome to new edition of the Valentine's us. I cast here on Big Blue View. Radio part of the SBA nation. Family of PODCASTS. I'm your host Ed Valentine of Big Blue View. Couple things for you on today's show I we're going to be playing some some clips of various press conferences and interviews with with some of the free agents. That have been recently signed by the giants. Hopefully give you a chance to to get to know those guys a little bit here. Some of the things that they said as they were introduced to to New York media before we get to that though going to bring in Ameri Hunt of football game plan going to. We're going to talk a little draft. He and I are going to do a little A little make the case back and forth on what the giants should do with the number four overall pick. This also gives me a chance to to let folks know that that Emory who runs football game plan. We'll be doing some video work for us. At Big Blue View going forward that will start with the Ah make the case clip that. We're going to post on our our youtube page on. Why the giants in Emory's view should should draft Isaiah Simmons. So m thanks for coming on in and thanks for for joining big blue view. Well not a problem as always I appreciate you had me on. And you know it's good to to be able to provide video content for the fans and viewers are especially since you know we're constantly at the same spots as far as like giants coverage is concerned and it should be fun. Yeah it's always been something that As far as the video coverage our youtube site has always kind of sat there and and in my view anyway not been used very well or not been used nearly enough and I'm looking forward to To building that out and adding more good content to to the website For our our readers our viewers our listeners for for anyone who follows big blue view on on any platform in. I'm sure that You know getting Getting football game plan out there in even more ways is is good for you as well. Absolutely that's why be fun. It'd be a good partnership I certainly hope. So and and listen you know that is that is if we don't both kill each other here in the next few minutes as as we go through this this particular make the case segment as we as we indicated. M.'s going to be doing leading up to the draft. He's going to be doing some make the case videos for us on guys. He thinks the giants should be targeting and his first one is on the CLEMSON. Do Everything defender. Isaiah Simmons and I find myself am as we talk about this. You know we're at an interesting spot here because you're pounding the table for Simmons at number four and I've been saying that as much as I like Isaiah Simmons as a player. I find it really really risky for the giants not to take an offensive tackle with their first overall. Pick so so. Let's let's start there. Why Isaiah Simmons instead of offensive tackle in your mind because it makes them more immediate impact on his football team both short and long term when you look at what he does. Well he's a tremendous defender. Please can play all three linebacker spots. Honestly it makes a ton of place he also gives you a bonafide game-breaker on a defense side of the ball. Now they have one on offense to Sikwan Barklay. Now you add a guy in Isaiah Simmons at teams have come in in game plan for and that's an added frustration for an opposing offense to have to deal with a dude. It can play multiple positions. Now you know in my mind the way I have looked at this draft and I recognize the kind of player that Isaiah Simmons could be in my mind. I've approached this draft and I've said the one thing that the New York giants absolutely have to come out of this draft with is starting caliber offensive tackle especially one. Who could you? Maybe after the twenty twenty season swing over to the left side of the giants as I think we all expect they will do. We'll move on from from nate's older after the upcoming season. And that's why for me. I stare at four offensive tackles who could go top ten top twelve and I think i. I think that it would be a real risk for the giants in in terms of trying to get you know a top offensive tackle if they don't take one at number four and for me. That's why I've been banging the table for going ahead and taking the tackle at four. How do you feel about that and understand the sentiment of them needing tackle? You know you bring in Cameron Fleming who to me is a stopgap. And you're right about Nate Solo. They're probably GONNA move on from him next season. But you have to look at what we are now as far as reality in the current climate that we're in Worcester one area of the football team that people constantly say our coaches constantly say needs to be able to get reps and needs to be developed as offensive line correct. And when you look bring a guy in in this you know Colbert nineteen scenario. You don't have the opportunity to get that guy reps to where you can groom him to take over on the left side because we don't know when the season's GonNa Start you hope that it starts on time but we're losing valuable practice time for that guy to to learn both left and right tackle so And I'm always of the mindset that you don't want a tackle a young alignment to come in and depend on it young lion to be ready to go so if you're looking at this as a two year project You know get a guy. You Ain't getting some rubs. He's not going to start is. GonNa play some swing. Tackle probably step in at right. Tackle `sometimes stepping at left tackle at sometimes. If that's the plane then you have the luxury of getting a guy that you can develop to play that role which means you don't have to spend the fourth overall pick on that guy. I granted there are good. Really good tablets. Three bonafide starts at disposition for. If you WANNA count you know you look at the players with. Let's say four Bona Fai studs at tackle? That's fine but you can also get a developmental tap that can start for you in the second row because I believe is a good Tapa class. But how many Isaiah Simmons do you see in the draft in this draft one next step in right away and make an impact you know? It's funny because as a thought about this am. I think that you may have hit on. As much as I've I've been on the offensive tackle side of the argument because of the fact that you simply have to do something you have to give Daniel Jones a better offensive line than the giants gave ally Manning over the last few years you have to give Saquon Barkley holes to run through. I mean it's just you simply can't you can't take those two guys who you've built your offense you've built your future around and not give them the best blocking that you possibly can. You can't make them have to do everything all on their own. But I think you hit on what might be the best argument for Isaiah Simmons at four and trying to to trade back into the first round or get an offensive tackle on day to that being the Kovic nineteen. Nfl lockdown that. We're in now. Because I think there might be a case to be made. Where defense is more of a reactionary position you react to what you see whereas I think as you said. You're you need those reps as an offensive tackle to get in sync with your teammates to really learn what your responsibilities are on a given play so for me that I I would agree with you to the point where we're in this environment. That might be more of an impact for the giants short term. And let's look at it this way. When look at Daniel Jones? How often how much of his issues last year was the old line or was him holding a ball bid to Hong? And if I think it was more of the you know the ladder but let's say you know. Put Offense Lineman. They're let's say you get one of these studies in again where we had this talk at the last home game. I was like. I don't feel comfortable taking alignment at high and then when I went back and studied the Linemen. I was like this. I will take that high. So there's a the not saying this is just a you know in okay tap class you take one high because you knew tackle bear legit dudes at tackle. But let's say you get that tackle and you start him at at whatever right or left tackle endangered. John's CEO holds. The ball. To loan is is that you did the right thing by taking the old lineman but the issue still is a quarterback in the ball too long and we won't know if if that change until we get out there and see live reps and plus I like how sick for instance a guy that they've developed and has been quality for them. It shows that. Hey if they can give a guy sometime he can grow into a good player. Negates negates maybe a better garden than right tackle but as at it shows that they been able to grow. Our GROOM ALIGNMENT. And if you're looking at guys outside of the top four You look at an Austin Jackson Four. Usc You look at Sedikh Charles out of Lsu. You're looking at some of those type of guys. Hey maybe we can get this guy. And he's Yankee came into the draft early you look at Lucas Niang out of Tcu new guy that was dominant before he had the injury and now is going to be fully healthy so you get time to get him even healthier and groom him so you have some options on the second round the the issue here because you can have your cake and eat it too. High to giants the problem is And when I when I'm talking about having your taking you to I'm talking about trading down a little bit and picking up maybe an extra first and then Simmons and also the tackle. The problem is as Simas is so good that you run the risk of losing him. You can't you probably can't tracy passed six you know. Or maybe maybe if you swap would say San Diego Swab with the chargers and you get to six and they get four okay. Who's to say that Detroit doesn't take as you know So you really hope that. He's there at four now if he's not there and For instance here's a couple of scenarios let's say Cincinnati wants to play the draft game inhabits cake and eat it too. This is something that I would probably do I would take chase young number one because I know team's GonNa Pass on these quarterbacks and I can get the quarterback that I think is is good the second best quarterback in the draft at pick thirty three and as jalen hurts signed. Come Away with Angela. Hurt the bengals. So if that's the case that means Washington would be there at number two. Do they take the linemen because they also have a need at inside linebacker too as well as tackle and so they will have the maybe they take the assemblies with Detroit Steel? Take a Khuda you know and so it. A lot of it depends on what happens in the top two. If things go true to form they take borough and then chase young in Detroit. His team to worry about. It's like man they they're gonNA probably take. You know a Khuda you hope. Or maybe they take as it seems. Are we really surprised people and take a quarterback who knows right or they trade out that pick but if you're the giants if Simmons is there I think you have take Simmons but if he's not then I can understand you know moving down? A little bit accumulated another first round. Pick or high second round pick and then take your life but you are also able to acquire another asset in address. Yeah I still believe you know we talk about the fourth pick and I still think that it makes to me. It makes the most sense for the giants to to to try to entice Miami or the chargers or the Jaguars or the panthers entice one of those teams to take that pick. Give you something else whether it's another late one whether it's you know whether it's a couple of of a day to middle round pick or whatever you can get and then you you stay in the top ten you still. You might have Simmons. You've still got your pick of most of the of the offensive Lineman if that's the way you want to go and you add some some frontline assets in the draft. I still think for me. That's the best idea. Here's here's here's the thing about the lyman. Everyone says linemen and you know if you're coming into a game. How often do you say gotta prepare for this right tackle or we ought to prepare for? This left's happened. What he does up front. You know you tend to worry about guys that could truly and listen all offensive linemen former linemen and my old lyme France about the here. This completely wrong. Don't mean it this way just sounds this way but no one comes in game planning for an offensive line. You know you come in game plan. How you're gonNA score points how you gonNA stop Whichever pass rush pass rusher did the posing team. Has You trying to figure out? Can we throw at XYZ CORNER? Make do we have the receivers to make a play. Can I run game? Help us out this this way You know before they were about my we. Don't we need? We need to really game plan for this right tackle. A you know so and I think for the giants right now. They need studs. They need impact players. And I in to be completely honest. If you look at what they've done in free agency it would all paper. It would lead you to believe that. They're going go tackle but in actuality when you look at who the sign on defense like many still had same issue prior to making all these signings at linebacker they need some dudes and right now. They don't have booths. I like what the hell outside with Zimmer says and and Carter In Martinez are complementary pieces. They still need to start right there in the Middle Guy. That is a difference maker. You hope that they had the added one. Last YEAR WITH DEXTER LAWRENCE. He played well You hope that the growth with Carter and Zimmer's new defense just being able to play with do what they do. Best helps out you. Hope those core Ted of young pups in the secondary grow significantly this year. I'm talking about love talk about Baker Ballantyne and and also You know a guy like bill or even peppers if you want to count him Seeing that he's been there for a while but Been in the League for a for a few. But I'm saying like if they. They need a bona fide. Study defensively a guy. That is legitimately a game changer. And Simmons gives them as of right. Tackle is great Left Apple is great. But if if you're pinning your hopes on that Ad Juxtapose your quarterback holding the ball a little bit too long that to me. They'll still blame the tackle. Even though it's it's really Jones folks you see what I'm saying but if they get a do like Simmons that can come in right away make plays on be moved around a defense. Be something that people have a game plan for or against which could open things up for other players on. Defense. I think that's the the safer bet the more sure. Bet At four in alignment all right. So let's let's assume that the hog molly loving Dave gettleman is convinced by Joe Judge in the people around him that that's the way to go. Let's assume that they that they choose. Simmons you talked a little bit about some of the other offensive linemen who might be in a second. What we would call second tier tackles. It's kind of a two part question. How many guys in this class do you think you know? Maybe beyond the big four would be real good in your mind quality. Starting probably I'll say left tackles in the NFL. And I need to ask you about one guy in particular. Because it's a name that you haven't mentioned in it's a guy that I keep hearing you as a guy that the giants might like you know if they go into that second tier of offensive linemen. And that would be as Cleveland. Out of Boise State. So like I said two-part question and go ahead and take the floor while I am. Listen we we talk about the top four. That's fine right. So let's take Simmons than you assume that Andrew Thomas Tristen words Detrick wills and MCI Becton. All GonNa be gone if you so you're looking at hopefully that guys at a fall in the draft that make it feasible to trade up to get so. You're looking at Austin Jackson out of USC. He got excellent hands on both ends. So anytime you use your hands really well and you'll be on the plus side of of what you do. Well As alignment. He is very good. Run GAME so His passport deficient so he doesn't waste time there. Joshua Jones out of Houston Berry good athleticism to get out there on the move so if you WANNA move your offense like get down with Jones on the move Worcestershire. Because he's a good athlete. You have a guy like Josh Jones. That can get out there and block on a perimeter in passing game and also in the run game Wilson from Georgia. A young guy came out as a what Redshirt sophomore something like that. So He's an early entry reminds me a lot of Orlando Brown big. Mammoth guys. Six seven three forty. So he's big like McConnell Becton Matt Yukon was the rose that grew from concrete. When you watch you football tough to watch UCONN football this year because they were terrible but you just kept drawing your eyes pert who was athletic. He was consistent he. He anchors well He had a solid week at the senior bowl. And then you look at Ezra Cleveland who you talked about. He's a very strong and pass pro. He's not a guy that has very patient in his in his. Uh Setup in we we call this plan a piano you know when a guy de Lima try to tries to work himself across the body of a office environment. And you're able to pass guys off just using your hands. You don't overextend to okay. If he set now SALOM you try to over. Extend a beat him outside. You beat inside you plan a piano. You're using your hands to fill them out. You're able to work him through his his move. And then pass them off to your guard or your help align. What does the guard or a tight end? he cobble blocks really well so he's got the athlticism That you look for another guy that you get out there and move. I just don't like how he exposes chess often which gives the chance to get in there and and maintain a position of control. When he doesn't he's able to get movement he's again. He works his feet. He recesses hands well He's another one of these these solid players so again. That's what I'm saying. I just gave you five lyman outside of the top. Four that are that are really good. prospects even if you. WanNa go down in double up on tap terrence. Steel out of Texas Tech. I thought was excellent. All filmed he got along arms. He's played in the spread offense. Oh He's used to block it out there in space. But he's really good in the run game two. You can probably get him in the fourth of your frown so I do like this. This tackle class giants have some options. They could double up. They can wait to the top around to and get the tackle And they have a good chance to really come away with a developmental tackle that they can groom for this year. Richard this year because we are in And have him as a star next year and also come away. Would've game changing as a semblance all right Emma. I'm not GonNa say that you've completely convinced me but you've made a heck of a good case. I appreciate you spending some time with us. I hope you're you're staying safe in these Pretty scary times for us. Well appreciate that in. Im Stan safe. 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'em Lot of lot of good good stuff in there folks. Check that out. Checkout emory's work at football game plan check out the stuff that he's going to be posting for for big blue view on our youtube site and also please remember to follow all of the draft coverage. We've been providing for you at Big Blue View Dot Com player profiles position rankings. We'll have big board coming up but interviews as much as we possibly can with with draft prospects so please check all that out of Bellevue Dot Com as we prepare you for the two thousand twenty. Nfl draft giants fans. Let's take a brief break here for a word from our SP nation sponsors. When we come back we will play some audio clips for you. From recent press conferences and interviews with free agents. Who have recently joined the giants? I up after the break will be Colt McCoy. Giants new backup quarterback answering a question from yours truly about helping Daniel Jones through an interrupted off season call Ted Valentine from espy nation. You went through the two thousand eleven lockout as a young quarterback. What advice can you offer? Daniel? Or what thoughts can you offer on how to prepare for a season? You know when the off season is interrupted. Like this yeah. That's that's A. That's a really good question. I talked to a few of my friends about that lately. That was probably the worst thing that happened to me. As a young quarterback was up played my rookie year. And then we went into the lockout going into my second year. And I didn't get the playbook until like we had two or three weeks of training camp and that was the first time I knew anything was completely new system. And you know we we My play decent. That Year of our team certainly struggled And and so. I think that I can take some some experience and some lessons learned from that. And hopefully hopefully hope Daniel. Daniel is Well prepared for this. He played a lot more his rookie year than I did But still if there's challenges and it's it's a new it's a new system and New Ways to call plays and you know the new philosophy from what we're trying to accomplish as often and I think that really do my best to be a great resource for him. You know during this time as we start you know. Hopefully I don't know what the rules are yet. But hopefully as we get going on this Kinda virtually learning and zooming on our computers installs and things coach. Garrett and then you know probably Tom on the phone or or you know in our own. Zain Cau- really talk about you know into now of of what we're doing and and uh as best we can we're GONNA WE'RE GONNA have to Dapitan and faces challenges just like everybody else in the League but certainly I remember that lockout season being being a real challenge For me but I'll do my best to help help Daniel and make sure when he's still at competency can offense or our feelings because we can't do next up giants fans we will hear from Dion Lewis veteran running back who will talk about growing up as a giants fan in Albany New York who frequented training camps when the giants held those at the University of Albany thinking a perfect eight hundred a unique opportunity. No no a lot of factors not judge near the have New Year's New England also all nos always in my beautifully for them so average on the please stand up so afford to work in jazz type longtime team. They know what was quite as well so all of the Patches. York's so you know are a frequent visitor China candidate. You had any so long you know does a greased up on game of the wash. Those guys practice Barron Trae Young Age so definitely Gi barbies water. The money to her not ideal. You know guys like Bill de next up in a one on one interview that I did with veteran defensive tackle Austin Johnson. He talks about rejoining coach. Sean Spencer with the giants Spencer known as coach. Chaos was Johnson's position coach. When the two were together at Penn State. So let me so let. Let's talk a little bit about you. Join in giant. What was it? What was it interested you income into New York and everything his his home. You know it's Carlos things be just being closer to home having you know co Spence there and had him in college as a divine curse attracted me more towards the giants a whole new You guys they're Guys there and resist. Can't wait till you start with the giants. Madison arm wrestler. Tell me a little bit. I ask you about about Spencer about goodell coach. Kiosks telling me a little bit about what he's a definitely a high energy tide is. GonNa make sure you're going around with us ever make you a better players out. Whatever your strengths. Play those and it's just great coach. Next up is veteran offensive. Tackle Cameron Fleming. Who addressed his familiarity with giants offensive coordinator Jason Garrett and Lyon coach Marc Colombo on I think is a pretty big factor that I was the career. I think if you people that you work list for I mean we're closely list for two years. They they get another job and they wanted to come with you. Are It said that they have some kind of confidence? The Bashar play your attitude and all that stuff. I really like playing for him because he just he really does love what he did what he does. I mean comes with so much energy so much juice every single day week after week throughout the whole season I mean. I don't think there's ever a low lit up though. I really appreciated his passion and electricity every day and then also He's just a coach. You know he helped me a lot with my technique in Dallas before to continue working with them as we continue to roll through. These giants fans are next. Clip is from edge. Rusher cuyler fat girl. He addresses a couple of things first since he took a step forward as a player in two thousand and nineteen despite not putting up some great statistics secondly he addresses his respect. Four Giants Defensive Coordinator Patrick. Graham Graham was factors position coach in two thousand eighteen with the packers. The year that fat girl had ten and a half sacks his best season as in. Nfl Player. I mean it was obviously not ideal But again I you know. I've said before that I definitely got better this year. I think I played better this year than I did. The year before You know just by getting the numbers that would've liked And I mean if you look at percentages and you know pressure's per rush you know I had two hundred less Russia's place more pressures than I did hear that had sex so I think as far as the way I play and you know just getting better as a player I think I took a step forward this year. I haven't Discussed Specifics with with coach. Graham too much I know that he liked my versatility Being able to rush and drop you so Tom I'll do whatever they asked me to do. And and whatever they is best for the defense and I really look forward to coach. Graham is going to do with the defense you know. I have a lot of trust in any abilities. Really Sharp Dude So I mean I. I haven't talked to him. You know I'll I'll do whatever you know the defense of Honestly I think the only thing that I would say about coach Graham is that I mean he's a great coach and the thing that I really liked the most about him is just his passion and most of football You know he'll get up on the table and scream and yell if he needs to But it all comes from a great place it comes from you know. In being grateful for the life of eighty live in what he gets to do to provide for his family and You know that's something that I always love coming into work. You know working with coach Graham Was that was a big thing to the giants you know that he was here and respect for him. Next up is special. Teamer nate near who comes to New York giants from the New England Patriots where he spent the last eight years playing under the direction of current giants head coach. Joe Judge Judge of course was either special teams assistant or coordinator in New England during the entirety of ignorance career with the Patriots. So let's see what What abner has to say about the giants new head coach You Know Joe. Works hard at that Probably a couple more times. But he's a string her worker chances. Either the details Aim really really testing the details of that and You Know He. He comes to work with a lot of energy. She did that consist of ages of him. So I think that's genuine part of him My Hughes Renowned Anti Union Council You. Same same treasury detail and work ethic and You know he's at the end of the day cares about a guy that came out about a lot of coaches and I think especially when we'll come forward Part of a great organization and Mixed idea I mean there comes a time and everyone's career with us we agents and Like you said I've spent most of my crew. My is but everytime Every year what's the best thing for you and You know they're senior vestry me throughout my career until this point but At this point Disney. What's best for me and what I need to do. You know. Unfortunately you are things that having that you don't necessarily lightweight you gotta you gotta be looking so that's tecos on both sides of it Ultimately like I said you gotTa do is best for you and you know. I'm looking forward to you coming to a great organization. And what like I said earlier? Gatien Shin with great great team. Great Great Fan based on excited about finally cornerback. James Bradbury on his relationship with giants. General Manager Dave gettleman and how that influenced his decision to sign with the giants New York Out Opportunities. They have on an officer and get them and coach. And I you know. I'm looking forward to being part of it. And what what brings modesty like. I'm over on the game. The guys and it'd be better Experienced for the most part I'm going to the game I lost it. He's he's really been talked to get them you know. They came out of nowhere. I didn't even expect him to offer already. On the type of guy was he was guarding the what kind of program on Shaina Green Field Your own. Alright that's our show for today. Thank you as always for listening. Please remember stay safe out there and we'll talk to you soon. Bye Bye now hi. I'm Brian and I'm one of the hosts of the Amazing Avenue Network of podcasts. Each week day we bring you a different podcast. That covers the New York mets from a different perspective every Monday. You could hear me Steve along with Kenan Lucas on from complex cleans where we discussed the mets minor league system. Every Tuesday an unforgettable. Join ME RUBBLE. They look back on the career of a less heralded hi. I'm Alison and along with Maggie and Linda. I host a pot of their own each week. We look at things. 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The NFC Draft Recap: From Packers Madness to Jalen Hurts and More | Monday Morning Podcast

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The NFC Draft Recap: From Packers Madness to Jalen Hurts and More | Monday Morning Podcast

"Hello and welcome to the M. qb Monday morning NFL. Podcast Tuesday edition because this is the final member of our power trio of NFL draft. Recap shows I'm your host Gary gramling. I'm joined by the specialist guests I could think of and that is and even You go if you go back on your feet you get the AFC rundown all sixteen teams in the AFC down the draft glasses. This is going to be. Nfc Right now NFC and the way we're going to do this. Andy if you remember as we said yesterday we always feel bad for the divisions the West. Because they're they're always last in these kinds of shows that we were going to reverse it bring FC West than NFC south than Anisi north than NFC east. Those guys in the East can can wait for once and within each division. We are doing alphabetical so If you WANNA skip around the show you can pretty much followed that map and just succeed in life but Andy Are you. Are you ready to go here? Do we have any? Ah Chitchat to do at the top. No I assume we're doing this order because the power is at the top got out reached out to you and said we gotta get more Arizona. Cardinals leads on our shows right now. Yeah I mean that's that's that's where it's at I don't know I don't WanNa bust on the carnal. They're an interesting team. I guess they've been really good in the past and nobody. Nobody cared that much but They're an interesting team with cliff. And cuyler and Deandre Hopkins now and there's no better team the better team for sure and I think there will probably I don't know if I'd be among but I think there will be people this year. That forecast them to finish ahead of the rams in the NFC west probably. They finished third the random before I would not be among them. That's the the the the view is the cartels are team certainly training in the right direction. I have some random takes when we got there. But let's let's talk about the cardinals. I and their drive a class here. Isaiah Simmons at the top of it and look the question was still persisting into the third and fourth week of April here Isaiah Simmons Safety or linebacker and when I guess now that he has a home and you look at the rest of this defense You know you got Buddha Baker. You Got A. It'd be Jalen or Thompson at the other safety spot What are they GONNA do with? Haas us on rettig. Where does Simmons If he's fifty fifty whereas Simmons best fit in in this defense I think the question you just asked where is easy linebackers safety. That's the question you want your opponent asking when they take the field lineup on any given snap. I think that's what this system needs to be position player. If you WANNA call him that what this system has been in the last couple years. It's it's honestly had trouble identifying. Exactly what their identity is. I've watched all their snaps. I don't know what their identity is do. A lot of zone coverage though play matchup elements within the zone. They're one of the few teams at travel. Their corners in zone so a corner is GonNa follow a receiver even if that takes him out of his own positioning. It's it needs to be adjusted because if you're going to draft Simmons where they draft if you're gonNA take Isaiah Simas have him on your team and you have Buddha Baker already. There who's very versatile boo Boo Baker of me is in the Tyrone Matthew Class. Then you need to be playing to those skills and those talents and building. The system around being an attack oriented defense. Because you don't want Simmons just being reading react linebacker that's I don't think that's a strength and I don't. I don't even know what that would be a strength for him. I think he's better as a space player. Who's in an attack mindset? Yeah I was kind of confused in the lead up and look people were saying these things. I I presume are smarter than me because they they work for teams and whatnot. But there's a lot of You know well. Some teams are down on Simmons because they wanted to find role for him and they don't know what is defined role is and it's like. I don't know it's kind of Nice. Do you have a guy who doesn't need defined role and can do a lot of things. Well dime defense is becoming more popular in league right now and I could see Simmons being a dime safety for somebody that would not be his only role. You'RE NOT GONNA play thirty snaps game. He's going to you. Want him on the field for all sixty five seventy snaps. So when you're dying that's your third down in situations that's a lot of your two minutes situations you could argue. That's where the Games decided in today's NFL critical snaps. I could see him being a linebacker in those scenarios. Taylor wrap does that for the rams. He is their dime linebacker. Strong safety to me and I. I have not watched Simmons enough ought to make comparisons but to me his role his style. A player for what he'd be in this scheme would be similar to a Taylor. Wrap probably more dynamic electrifying Taylor rap. Okay cardinals didn't have a second round pick and then they They get Josh Jones. The Houston tackle in the third presumably becomes the heir apparent to Marcus Gilbert. They're on the right side A lot of people thought he might go first round A bit of a developmental guy. I know a lot of people like the fact that he had some I I think it was. He didn't give up a sack or something. But I always tell people it's the The AMERICAN ATHLETIC CONFERENCE. He plays and he probably shouldn't be giving up a lot of sacks if he's an NFL caliber player. I will say another. Act My my university of Connecticut. Huskies were well represented at this draft because basically any prospect who played uconn this year when they showed their highlights they definitely showed a number of well and one other thing about the whole. Give up a sack not give up a sack number thing. A lot of SAX created not by the guy who gets be not like. If I'm blocking the defensive end that doesn't necessarily mean the defensive end beat me someone else beat someone else in the protection it breaks down the way they credit who gets a sack and gives up the SAC. That is in the eye of the beholder. A lot of the time so I I wouldn't put any stock in any kind of stat especially coming out of college where the competition is. You're alluding to it's so different from one game to the next and one conference to the next. Well let's let's move onto the rams and before we get into the draft class. I just want to ask you real quick. I thought the rams were. There's a narrative about their season because you're defending NFC champs and then you miss the playoffs. I keep trying to point out to people that if Greg Line makes a forty three yarder on Thursday night in Seattle the rams are in the playoffs and obviously if you had the expanded playoffs the Rancho have been in the postseason last year. I don't think last year was as bad as season as as people think I realized people are are sort of down on golf but they were I mean they average about three points per game December December Games. It looked. It looked like they were starting to get a little bit. I mean they looked really good at San Francisco on a Saturday night in week. Sixteen is the offensive line. Getting right because obviously I mean th th. They took a Clemson guard in the seventh round here but they did not address you off into line. At all of this off season is retaining Andrew Whitworth correct. They did not. They have reason to feel good about their offensive line. It did I think I improved a little bit over the course of last season not enough of course in the offense never really did completely get on track. It was it was close there at the end with San Francisco. They were playing very well down. The stretch in some is the rams had some ugly losses on national TV. The Ravens embarrassed on Monday night. Football the cowboys really blew their doors off on a Sunday afternoon game Even the bears victory that the rams had it was not a ram style. Game that was a draw str- slugfest draw out the victory. Slowlyk your win out there so the offense was never as rhythmic last year as it's been the previous Couple Years Under this coaching staff further offensive. Line Whitworth you feel good about him and left tackle. Still Austin Corbett was. I believe the thirty third overall pick in the draft a few years ago. Not every team saw him that way but enough would that you know somebody took him thirty third overall so there's some talent there and I don't think he was bad for them once he got into the lineup. Brian Allen at Center Austin Blight the guard your decent enough there and then Bobby Evans a Rob Havens Dino right tackle Gary if I said to you okay. The old line needs to be better. Which are you replacing? What's your answer to that question? Yeah I don't know if there is an answer at this point I thought they really steadied it. Nicely late last season I would agree with that and it'll be interesting. What happens with those guys at the new? The rookies who play Lesser David Edwards. At Right Guard does he get a look for maybe a starting job this year. Bobby Evans at Right Tackle Evans played pretty well in some scenarios. Now what's interesting is they had some different schemes with those guys in eating. They didn't run just purely the outside zone designs that we know from the rams there were some more north and south blocks inside zone where instead of stretching to the left or right you're going up the field and you're just double teaming running behind the double teams so a little bit of a different game and that's what the rams had to do to adjust their ground game they just weren't the same rushing attack overall. I think there's reason for optimism though with this offense viner's price something to be said for continuity as well having these guys play together well so they They go offensive skill position. Where two second round picks cam acres the Florida state running back who I would think. When I'm looking in their two running backs acres and and Darryl Henderson's the other young guys assume they haven't given up on him in any way shape or form I would think acres is kind of your insides zone. Power type guy and then Henderson is kind of your outside zone slashing type of Dude Which you know stylistically. That obviously is nice to have those two backs I I just I. I guess I was caught off guard that they would you know. Go with the running back in with their first pickier when they when I saw they took it was acres. And I'm going off what I've heard from people within the NFL on acres versus. What I've seen myself but from people I respect and what? I've heard kind of a gliding mature. Nuanced runner is what he was known as coming out. And then one of those guys were the more you watched the more. You appreciated him to me. Gary that suggest I think he will fit well and they're outside zone scheme. I understand the idea of Henderson. Yeah one cutting might take it to the house. And that's certainly something to be said for that and that's what. They drafted Henderson last year. In the third round I think acres will fit what they're trying to do them remember even if acres inside zone type of runner. They're not going to do that on first down because their whole play action game comes off that outside zone stuff so they're going to want to keep doing that because otherwise they lose their passing game so the game where the bears were. They were really running a lot of insight zone. They didn't throw the ball and all of that night they didn't have the wet. Robert Woods is out for that game so if they want to be who they are. That's going to be outside zone. And I'm sure they feel that acres can be the guy for that and and then they go van. Jefferson the receiver. Obviously they they lost Brandin Cooks Brandon It was sort of You know he's down last year. Add some cussin' concussion issues. But they take an very rudely I might add. They take van. Jefferson two picks before Dan Jefferson's father's team was on the clock. The jets Shawn Jefferson is there. I didn't know that was his son. Yes they snagged them. Fifty-seven jets were picking fifty nine ended up with Denzel mims which which they're fine with but again it's it should be like literally rules you automatically go to the team that you're Van Jefferson is. I look at this receiving Cornell Robber Woods Recap Band Jefferson Josh Reynolds and yeah I mean all yo precise route runners. I think the you like them all but I there's no really explosive element among those four. So I guess you're going to have to generate that. Those explosive plays yes. You will never be one. Concern is yeah. Who takes the top off the defense because when they go there play action game? A lot of it is flood concepts flood three level stretch. Three receivers on one side of the field. One is deep ones intermediate. That's the guy that's usually running the crossing route and then one is shallow and underneath and actually the rams will put a four th guy over there late in the down a lot of times. That's the foundation that Niner's game where they were killing San Francisco. They did that. Probably Twenty five times in. That game is incredible. They just did it. Snap after snap. Who's the guy that's going deep now because it used to be brandin cooks? They don't have anyone with that kind of speed. Now on the on the flip side though. Brandin cooks was struggling a lot against press coverage at times so when he was not afforded a bunch of help from the scheme the designs. When it wasn't play action he could be taken out of some games which is part of the reason he was available for trade so I would assume they feel. Jefferson will be better in that regard out. But it's you give up something. If if this guy could run the way cooks runs and still be as big as he is not get pressed he'd be Julio Jones and then we're not talking about it was the second round pick up and then the rest of the day to hear they had two of their picks Terrell Lewis the Alabama edge who You know injury prone guy would have gone higher. Had it not been? For some durability concerns you presumably you pendulum into sort of Dante Fowler rule and then a Tyrrell Burgess the Utah Safety who converted. Cornerback I don't know if he's quite rangy athletic enough to be a single high type guy but he did a lot of different things in in. Utah's defense and data pretty advanced Approach there and I assume he can help early. I would imagine they'll have them be the single high because if it's not him who who is it then it's not rap because we know he's a linebacker guy. Aaron Donald Good at that to jump in John Johnson's at his best as box guy down there Johnson could probably play. Single high is good all around player. But I would imagine burgess is here for his ability to play center field. I know the rams staff likes Marcus Williams who they liked him as a rookie. When he was with the saint he still in New Orleans but Williams came out of. Utah's well it doesn't mean that Burgess will be Williams but I would be surprised if burgess is not the single high guy but I don't know a lot about them I again. I don't study these guys they get to the NFL okay. Let's and I should mention real quick. Just because I just saw this factoid. The Rams did take a tight end. Bryson Hopkins of Purdue and round four Did you know Tyler Higby in the month? December last five games of the season Tyler. He led the NFL receiving yards. I would not have gone that far. I knew he was very productive. I didn't know that he was that productive. Yeah he had A. I had the number up. I lost it. I I believe that it is If I remember five hundred twenty two yards over those last five games and he played. It wasn't just that always catching the past. Now he was a he was more athletic. He'd looked more abiotic down the stretch and one thing. I've been watching rams film quite a bit. Actually lately Gary is he is very good higby at releasing inside and creating space for himself off the snap. He's become a highlight. He has become a high level route runner. Let's go to the San Francisco. Forty niners They picked up that thirteenth. Pick For Deforest buckner and they ended up trading down one spot with the Bucks Antique Giovane Kim Law South Carolina. We talked a little bit about it. A lot of people say like Oh they trade buckner for Kim Law and they did but you know the treaty Buckner at twenty million dollars for kin law at a much less than that and that's kind of how life goes at this point. It has to because they had to resign. Eric Armstead and then Brandon Iowa who we talked about as I said he is Probably a better version of Jerry rice adding to the offense. I love rain and he's absolutely perfect there. I did I sit on the Friday. Show if if you miss I I think he's a slightly more dynamic version of deebo Samuel Really like my attention. Because I think you'll Samuel is a man I do too. I agree with that but the you know they made three day three picks. We're not GONNA dive too deep into those guys. But obviously they added Trent Williams. Joe Staley announces his retirement. They go out and get Williams. Obviously we haven't seen Williams in a in a while now but you would think that this is a this is a pretty good trade offer them. And we'll see how Trenton Williams ages into his thirties here but at least in the short term they've solidified that spot and when we last saw Trent Williams he was the most outstanding. I'd save an explosive blocker out in space on their perimeter probably in the NFL. He is really good in the screen game. He's really good at what they call running the alley getting down kind of by the painted numbers and clearing out space there. And when you consider all the misdirection that they do all the stretch zone all end arounds to Samuel and some of the screens that they'll throw in San Francisco having a guy like Trent Williams. That can do that to get to the perimeter. You could almost argue. That guy's a weapon now. I mean that's that's I think he'll fit really well for what they do in Shanahan and obviously knows very well because there's The Washington background over all their that was a really good trade and a good commentary on the niners organization. That Joe Staley went along with this and didn't break the news to anybody till after the trade which I don't know if that's how it went but reading the tea leaves. That's probably how it went. Staley did right by the organization on that and you know he would probably only do that if the organization had been doing right by him for a long time. Yeah and I should mention respected private citizen. Peter King in his Monday column he was embedded with the box and we talked a little bit on Friday. The bucks up one spot you know was someone else bidding for that forty niners pick. And that's why they had to pay for that sort of thing Jason told Peter that he had heard rumblings Joe Staley was retiring so they thought the forty niners might be in the running for a Tristan wharfs. Who was the last sort of Of the big four tackles on the board in this race. And that's why the bucks felt even more urgency to jump up to thirteen so we wondered about that. What did they say to the bucks on the phone that made them make that trade? Because the niners to us. We didn't know that Joe. Staley thing it didn't look and John Lynch actually said the opposite. Joe Staley will be back here. That was a smokescreen so we were wondering how that conversation happened. I I don't know who told Jason like that. I would guess to be an agent if I had to guess. But that's that's total guesswork. And that's that's where a lot of the information comes from the Seattle seahawks so the seahawks they take Jordan Brooks the Texas Tech linebacker and Dernley up to the draft we earn more and more teams really like Jordan Brooks I know obviously add Bobby Wagner cage a right Those guys are getting up there and Brooks at the very least becomes an option for the future but I mean they they play a lot of three LINEBACKERS SEATTLE. They do and so. I'm wondering if it's one of two things why. Why are you taking brooks because remember last year they drafted Cody Barton in the third round? Pete Carroll said Cody Barton's our best coverage linebacker already or at least they feel he can become bad Okay yeah no I know I hear you but let's get the here's the point here is we can agree on this. They feel good about its coverage skills. Yes he's not. As good as right I would imagine in Wagner who are the low overrated and coverage. But he's a very excellent player in hall of Fame Guy. So Cody Barton's in the mix. He's going to play for them so now they've got four linebackers that they're planning to play in the next couple of years is Brooks here because keys replacing K J right which is quite possible writes in a contract year. I believe is he replacing Bobby Wagner as well since Barton's here to theoretically replace right is that are we seeing a total change of the guard over the next two years or are the seahawks going to stay committed to this four? Three approaches keeping three linebackers on the field. Not playing with Slot Nickel Corner. Is that going to become the standard for them? Because they really did not address that position in free agency at all this year I think the best slot guy on on the field for they were probably quandary digs. And that's not how they use them. He's a free safety so I wonder if they're going to stick with US four three thing. Yeah it's a I was again. We talked a lot how there was sort of a lack of edge rushers. And they did take Daryl Taylor in the second round. I thought he was very good at Tennessee. Really an edge burner So maybe they address it there. Maybe they didn't like anyone at the end of the first round. Of course they trade out of the first round every year. So if you didn't like anyone figure that's what they would have ended up doing but They do add Daryl Taylor in round two. That's kind of all they've done is David Clowney GonNa be back. That might be function of. Is anyone else going to take the risk on? Cloudy when when your doctors can't sort of put your hands on them. Maybe that changes this summer but Look I I I don't want you further enrage seahawks fans because I said this all last season. This defense got a lot of takeaways. Those takeaways were. I mean they had a lot of fumble recoveries. I it just and it's not a front for you would've looked at and said like well. There's really disrupted. I can see why they were getting so many strip sacks and fumble recovery. I think they were just sort of. Yeah big got him in clusters when maybe they shouldn't have been coming closer so again. This is a team. They finished plus eighteen point differential. They had a lot of opponents. Missed field goals over the course of the year. I was hoping they'd be a little bit more aggressive. And sort of rebuilding. This defense is off season and they weren't and I mean look. They win every year so I probably shouldn't criticize him. But I thought they'd be seventy nine last year and what I think facial eleven and five words. That was at their final right they were. This has been. This is a really really well run organization top to bottom They end up going. Damian Lewis the guard from lsu really a fire hydrant type. A dude Pure Power Guy Guard and yeah. We'll we'll see it's GONNA play. He'll play for him now because they got rid of. Dj fluker Yohanes a fourth round. Pick a year ago. I don't know anything always. He was not on the field last year. I don't know a lot about him but that's the kind of lyman they've been getting. Its these bigger north and south guys. Seahawks used to be an outside zone running team back with marshawn. Lynch is here. Even though Lynch never stretched he always kept it. Frontside just cut it up inside but the blocking structure was outside zone. They're not that kind of blocking Mississippi. More it's more of a power man-to-man downhill north and south kind of running game yet. They moved on from Justin Brit as well. So yeah. They're changing things up on offense of line again. And before I add you just want to mention the number was sixteen Fumble takeaways last year. Which I just a lot. I don't think is sustainable with what they have. I mean that was tied for second. The steelers were ahead with eighteen. The Buck also had sixteen. You look at the steelers and the bucks those are very disruptive pass rushes Especially coming off the edge and used. Don't have that in Seattle I. I don't know if they can count on another sixteen pummel takeaways next season. That's when we're talking about the forty niners in the reverse lasted twenty eighteen. They had seven takeaways. And then they they rammed up that pass rushing and it just took off and that was. That was the big difference last year. But enough of the twenty nine thousand nine recap. Let's let's move onto the AFC south the Atlanta Falcons kind of just a straightforward draft. I mean they had three picks in the top one hundred and they kind of addressed. What I think people would have seen as needs with the steam they take. Ag Terrell de Long Quarter cornerback from Clemson in round one stylistically. He fits you know that whole seahawks corner thing that we've heard about what Dan Quinn and there's probably something to that is as Oliver who will probably be there number three corner now because I think they like kindle Sheffield quite a bit their fourth round. Pick a year ago but Isaiah Oliver's another long bodied. Guys they're drafting similar types of corners in recent years. Are you reading the next guy going down the list and I'm talking about each guy? Is that how we're doing this team? Sure let's do it that way Marlon Davidson Defensive End. But really more of a Guy. I think he reduce them inside on on passing downs. You know. He's he's a guy. Believe with Derrick Brown really really good. I really like them. But you know we talked a lot about the need for sort of an edge burner. Here they did add Dante Fowler. So you do have an edge guy. So maybe they just sort of went Best Best Defensive Lineman available. Pick forty seven. Yeah that's possible. That's what they did. They must like tack McKinley as a D. end more than I like him as a DNA. I mean they don't love him he's I don't think they picked up his fifth year option. So he's this. Pick of Davidson could suggest that McKinley on his way out my point. Does I thought for a little while now? Why not slide McKinley inside a D. tackle? I think he's got the body type for that. They apparently don't see it that way. Because who else will play. Diene for it's GonNa be Fowler and then who Davidson if you're saying he's a D. Tackle and I think that makes sense. Mckinley becomes the other. Nickel pass rushing defensive end then and then the center that Hennessy. Another another good mover At a temple and we've talked about Alex. Mack is is probably a young nearing the end here. So now you got his heir apparent there. Yeah that's just drafting one. Oh One. That's a straightforward as it looks right there all right nice just this team by the way gear. I think they're in win now mode no I think so too. We talked about a lot. They really rectified. What was going wrong? Defensively We've mentioned a couple of times. They finish sixth into down the stretch. I think a lot of people saw them as sort of you know in the Super Bowl conversation coming into this year I mean they were just at the super bowl a couple years ago. I can't quite remember what happened in that game but You know that's a. That's a team that should be going for right now. You saw Matt Ryan. Julio Jones D- The window if it's if it's if it's not open I mean it's open it's Open Matt Ryan. Somebody asked me this weekend if maybe they would move on for Matt Ryan. I don't think they see him like that. He's he'll be thirty five and man. It's a little older than I thought he was. But I don't I don't think that's how they see him. I think they believe he's still an elite quarterback go Carolina Panthers. We've been wondering what they're going to roll out this year. A lot of college coaches coming up to the NFL here They take all defense. Seventy six seven defensive players Derrick Brown and yet or gross mottos for their first two Brown obviously interior linemen. Gross Mottos In Edge Guy. Who I think you'RE GONNA ask to do a lot of sort of looping inside and sort of sort of ten you know tackle and games here and Cohen shorts already in the mix. There is still an elite defensive tackle. They signed Stephen weatherly. He'll probably play on bass downs. Maybe play some defensive. Tackle in nickel situations be interesting to see. A Brown can be a fulltime Nickel D. TACKLE. We know he can play first and second down. It'd be hard to justify taking him as high in the draft as they did if you didn't feel he could play. Nikko Defensive Tackle but whether we can be in the mix member. Last year Brian Burns. They took in the first round so their their front forest pretty defined. I think it's going to be a four three scheme straightforward zone coverage if I had to guess that's what they've been mostly the last few years now a- that's defined what they're doing on defense at least which is should be they just had a bunch of players. Yeah Yeah Jeremy Chin from Southern Illinois sort of a safety linebacker hybrid type. Guy I would. I would assume they'd they'd play him at safety. Eric re role there and then I will mention Tony Pride The cornerback from Notre Dame really fast guy Because they are just I mean. They are incredibly thin at cornerback. You'll get cornerback group. I don't know who starts opposite Dante Jackson right now and I don't know how crazy they are about. Donte Jackson who was a little bit up and down my season. Yeah that's a good point. I had not. I guess I had noticed that. But it had operative in front of my mind. They have corn elder might be in the mix. It cornerback. Forum Cornell is a fun name. He's been around. He's been on rosters. Been with this team for a while. That's a position that will need help though those safety that you just mentioned they're going to be playing back quite a bit here. Yeah let's go onto the saints short one here that they did at one point trade all their three picks to jump up and and get another day to pick They did end up jumping back into the seventh round to take the the quarterback Tom Stevens and other sort of athletic vote. Mental Guy But They end up going with our ruis who that SORTA CAUGHT US OFF. Guard and best we can figure is he is going to replace. Larry Warford a very soon. And how soon is to question? Warford did not look like he was in decline last year but the saints a lot more about them than I do. His contract is up this year so even if he if he was not in decline. Yes still to make a decision on him. That's why Ruas here the these other picks to that you're going to list off your these third rounders. I don't see an immediate role for them. Either I I see how they fit the system in the program. I don't know where they're snaps in their reps will come from in year one here. Yeah Zach on you you would think his value is probably going to play on downs and just get after the quarterback speed guy And then he's not a real pure speed edge bender type guys for as far as I understand. He's fast I'll say that he's I mean he's small he is he is fast for. I don't know what he waited. The combine I I would have said Summer in the to thirty range but Yeah so I mean there you go. I think he's a guy who just send street at the quarterback and You develop as someone who can play off the ball a bit as well. And then Adam Trautmann who I presume. Adam traveling to just straight up hill. Replace Jared Cook After the season or or two seasons down the road if they if they bring back cook for one more yeah I would agree with that and the trump might be a guy who needs that kind of development as well. The good teams. When you're in one of the benefits of having a complete roster and hitting draft picks. You're able to take a lot more chances and freedoms with what you do in the following drafts. 'cause you guys to play right away a guy like Trautmann you can develop within your system. He doesn't need to be on the field very often. We talked about. That's how Seattle does things. It's sustained success in the NFL. And I think the saints are kind of. They're kind of near that territory now. They've been a playoff caliber team for several years in a row now The bucks as we mentioned they they end up jumping up one spot in the first round. Take Tristan wharfs which we talked about quite a bit. On the Friday show. And and how that sorta signifies and maybe this is a little bit more of Bruce Arians offense with some the downfield stuff as opposed to Sort of Tom Brady. Quick strike stuff but Day to they end up getting Antoine winfield junior another safety there and they take the running back keyshawn Vaughn and and you kind of wonder it seems like Arians has been less than thrilled with with Ronald Jones. So you wonder if Keyshawn Vaughn is going to be the guy who ends up being sort of the the workhorse back in this offense. Yeah because they've sure talked Ronald Jones up a lot. We hear a lot of positive headlines about how the bucks feel belt Ronald Jones. And you don't get those from Christian McCaffrey's team a whole lot because you don't need them so it's and then to take a guy in the third round his position you might be onto something. There has some nice skills I could see. Jones got drafted where he did. There's a lot to like. And they took a guy his position coaches and teams. They tell you how they feel about guys. By what the what their actions are and Winfield is nice in In Todd Bowles Defense here. Yes because I think windfall. Let's assume winfield play. Let's say he's nobody's a safe pick but let's say they are very confident that he'll be on the field for them. That solves a lot of problems because their secondary last year. Jamaldini Corner Third Round. Pick got better over the course of the year. Carlton Davis Twenty Eighteen. Second Rounder Shaun Murphy. Bunting he's actually a pretty good looking player but he moved around a little slot guys outside. Guy. I'm Jay Stewart. These are all young corners. And I think they're good not great and the that a good not great through highs lows safety is a little bit true as well Mike Edwards third round pick last year and this is where it applies more to Antoine Winfield Justin Evans. Rangy guy but didn't play last year due to injury. Were talking talent here. None of it is proven other than Carlton Davis. None of these guys are totally proven. Three down players if you can get that out of Winfield. That's a lot more freedom and flexibility. You have with deploying these other guys could now. You're only fill in one spot not trying to fill both spots out there at safety so I liked the Winfield pick because I think there's a potential domino effect with it. Hey everyone I'm John. Wertheim senior writer at sports illustrated in our new podcast record. We're opening up more than sixty years of the SL fall. In examining our most consequential work about the moments that defined the most legendary athletes in sports. From Michael Jordan Serena Williams. The record will tell never before heard stories behind the stories that turned athletes into icons. Subscribe now to the record on Apple. Podcast spotify stitcher. Wherever you get your podcasts Let's go to the NFC north starting with Chicago bears. They came into draft weekend with only nine tight ends on the roster so they had to address that shortage and they get coca met with the forty third. Pick What they have a lot of tight ends. Obviously they're not all at. I'm sure they're all perfectly nice guys but there are not all necessarily great players. They did I mean they. They signed Jimmy Graham and and they pay Jimmy Graham. I think a little bit more than everyone expected. Jimmy Graham to get But now now you have coal comment they brought in Dimitrius Harris. Adam Shaheen is still there but I assume some mix of Graham comment and And Harris are what you're looking at here. Yeah and I would imagine that. Shaheen's going to have a tough time making this roster because those three guys you mentioned grandma's clearly receiver Harris is. He's he's he can do everything I think he's a little. He's here because he's a good receiver off. The bench commits an all around classic tight end. They need a blocking tight. End Somewhere and Shaheen has not been on the field at times. Brana Ker Ben. Bronner got on the field ahead of him last year so JP Holtz but we don't. We don't need to get into great depth on the number four tight end of seven in one thousand nine hundred nor for year ago. I guess what what this tells me? Though with what they're doing in the position they've invested in. They want to do what the chiefs do which is an obvious passing situations third down and long second along even especially third down those. It's three by one or a one by three. When you say one by three you mean tied-in as the one and three receivers on the other side of three by one. The tight end would be part of the three receivers side so anyway. It's a one by three formation. Travis Kelsey is a huge piece of that for Kansas City. They know that they don't have a Kelsey on the roster but you want a guy who can be a receiving threat so you can at least scheme the way you might with Kelsey and that's Matt Maggie comes from Casey. He knows the value that kind of thing. They signed Trey Burton for that and they've lined up with Burton a lot. It didn't work out for a number of reasons. They're trying again with grand. They'll probably try recall commit. They'll probably have these guys all of the field the same time as well not necessarily in third down. But when you go with multi ends you can simplify some of the coverages and looks and if they're going to salvage Mitchell trubisky and that's a big gift because Nick foles is here now but if they're going to salvage trubisky you you want to help them as much as you want to put him in a chance to succeed. Give them some predictable. Looks to let them find his rhythm and feet as a passer ending. Nick foles is going to Be The quarterback there. I kind of agree with you. Because what fools gives you that we have not yet seen from trubisky of? Maybe we'll see it. He's he's still relatively young member. Yeah even play a lot in. Call it so he's basically were most second year. Qb's would be right now. He's entering year two in terms of total reps at a high level. But they're not running the full offense with them. They look like they do a lot of stuff before the snap and at this well presented in their formations their route combination. That what they're doing they're not close to doing what the chiefs do for example. Nobody is but they're not running an expansive offense trubisky with fools. They'll at least run almost the full offense. Yeah it's a lot of tight ends you got to Rico in Not a whole lot of depth that receiver Allen Robinson Anthony Miller after that. You're you're looking at you know. Cordeiro Patterson John Williams Riley Ridley Types. And then they just they couldn't get anything going on the ground last year and I I know of David. Montgomery plays faster in the second year. they did not address the offensive line outside of losing. Kyle Wong so Just just still a lot of a lot of question marks on offense but They have a chance to do some creative problem solving here with the with Matt Nagy Should mentioned they did have a second second round pick and then they didn't have another pick until outside the one fifty but they do take Jaylen Johnson. The Utah cornerback. Who seems to be good value where they got him need to have Amanda Band Corner? Chuck Pagawa wants to blitz. You play man to man behind most blitzes. If he's not blitzing he's usually playing some kind of cover. Four quarters coverage and for cornerbacks for all intents and purposes that's manned demand as well the Lions We Jeff Goo Okuda we. We know why they took him. Because you need to cover people in the in in the NFL round to go. Deandra swift the The Georgia running back. Who can do a lot of things and I don't know if you want to call them Stylistically a James White type. Alvin Kamara tight. But he he's that guy who has a dimension to the passing game. Kerryon Johnson is capable in the passing. Game and swift is more Definitely a movable Chesapeake stubby guy definitely a guy who is well frankly more of a threat in the passing game and what I like. Is it drafted Jonah Jackson Guard in the third round. Got Logan Stemberg the Kentucky Guy in the fourth round as well so when whenever you're pigs can boutrous other picks. I really liked that. And they've invested in the running game now in three ways a couple of guards which the they could use an infusion of talent to that position and then what you just outlined in swift and the other guy. Maybe you were going to get to him. Gary but I'm GonNa Steal Your spot here. Julian Okwara as a pass rusher. They badly badly needed. Pass rushing help in Detroit and Romeo cars already on the Roster Julia. Romeo from what I've read about Julian and looked into a little bit very different types of players. Row meals kind of more. That classic Devan Canard kind of guys. GonNa hold the block. Hold the edge and Julian's more of a bender and more explosive athlete which probably explains why Julian Win. The third round and Romeo. I'm clicking on to see when undrafted Romo made the NFL in two thousand sixteen though. He's had a nice career. Yeah they've They've cornered the market on the OKWARA. We'll see what they do it's I I'm plugging this. But I'm not proud unplugging this we have the I M Qb power pole coming up today. it was me and Jenny Brenta's encounter or in Algebra and Mitch. Golden voted and I. I just noticed a lot of people had Detroit like thirty one thirty two and I have been very critical of of what lines of done. I mean. They've invested so much in an offensive line. That just hasn't really done anything and I think they've sort of squander Matthew Stafford doing accent but but before Stafford got hurt last year I mean this was the the they were what they're saying like three three and one they they got raw body officials in Green Bay on a Monday night That one Thai they were in ill-fated timeout away from do but stafford with playing an MVP level You know obviously the the defense sort of fell apart. And then you can't really keep pace when it's Jeff Driscoll or David Blau under under center for you but I'm not going to sit here like I did. Two years ago and guaranteed Detroit Lions Dynasty but the lions can't be a nine and seventeen if Matthew Stafford is going to be in the line. The savage hurt again. I mean they'll they'll be the football. I agree with you if they gotta learn to finish games and it's easy to say I don't know how you actually go about finishing games other than playing better that past shows a big factor in the inability to finish because half what would happen is as gaming along their pass. Defense just got worse and worse a lot of the Times last year and that wasn't necessarily on the secondary of is more on the guy is trying to get to the QB so they follow the Patriot model. They don't necessarily need big time. Pass rushers but you need some guys that can at least win when they get into one on one scenarios execute. The schemed rushes. Lot of stunts. Lot of twists Jamie Collins will be part of the pass rush nail. Trey flowers needs to be better than he was a year ago. I didn't think it was a very high impact player for what they're asking him. And now Julian Okwara three guys that give you a chance that maybe being a little bit. Different defensively now. Okay so here we go on the Green Bay packers who we talked about during love a lot on Friday night. I'm sure we're about to talk about him a little bit more because he is look at the draft class as a whole and kind of wonder but before. We really dive into this. I want to throw out a trivia question and you can maybe think about it. Just it's a number guest so it's not It's not a big deal but the listeners. Here both. I'm asking you but the listeners. Are You It it's like. Oh we have a better audience in that. It's it's like you're it's like a choose your own adventure type thing. What should Andy Answer? And I'm actually. I'm stealing this of Kokubo. Aqsa twitter feed so if you know the answer and I assume like most people you listen to this podcast with an audience like a bunch of people together. That's that's how you're supposed to be experiencing it. It's it's it's sort of a you want to be within a crowd this this time in our world. I mean socially distance but I mean you know. You can't just listen to this alone. You're you're missing out on all the fun. This is the Trivia Question. How many first round picks has Aaron Rodgers thrown touchdown passes to in his career? Like how many different ones and you can think about it. And then you can answer at the end of this section here so Jordan love. And we're not quite sure what Jordan love means year. I mean they yeah I I have not gained any clarity. He certainly an inexpensive backup. I guess and then I don't know if you put on the field maybe you end up in a situation where someone will give you a high draft pick for Jordan down the road but also you just spent a high draft pick on on Jordan love but round two they go. Aj Dylan they go with the big back I mean I would say in a perfect world. Aj Dylan becomes your Derrick. Henry I I don't know is that. Is that what you want to build? Now with Aaron Rodgers their and do a bunch of zone and then a play action off of that. That's that's the answer to that is yes. That's what Matt Leflore wants to build. Because that's what he had in Tennessee. What Derrick Henry and I know. He's not in Tennessee anymore. But they've continued to run that system since he's been gone. That's that's what Matt Leflore knows and it's worked really well towards Shanahan ruins what mcvay run so. The last couple of super bowls have been represented by that scheme Tennessee. Titans were a game away from the Super Bowl. Green Bay attempted to be that kind of team last year and I think they got pretty close or not where they want to be yet. These outside zone teams are the most successful offenses in the NFL. Right now. So La floors thinking is. That's what we're going to build the. It's going to start from the run game and Jazirah d'Ivoire the the I mean he. He's h back. He's not ever going to be a a Y tight end in in the league out of Cincinnati smaller tight end. Tight Guy You did you ask me about him before the draft there was some someone. I won't say I think we we talked about a talked about on the other night because we recorded that right after the first round but I I feel like we have asked about him at some point. If on the field is going to be your second tied in correct. You just said he's not a y tight end so that's even more evidence. There's a lot of evidence your gear that these guys want to be a run type of team. They drafted Dylan. They drafted Guevara. They've invested in that kind of scheme. You could even argue that drafting. Love is a little bit of a commitment towards APP because love is stylistically in what he can be? If it all goes well. He'll be a more on schedule player than Rogers doesn't mean it's going to be better than Roger. No one's saying that maybe he will be you know they. They might think he could be one day but stylistically. He's more of a rhythmic. Qb Rogers that's not in his innate nature so green bay has known this and that was the biggest challenge you had last year and I thought they did a pretty good job a really good job of massaging that in heaven. Rogers come back to them and then they meet Rogers in the middle and it kind of goes that way. But they're making a commitment to the run game for sure which means to some degree they're asking rogers to come a little more towards the middle towards them. Okay when when someone did ask me. That do are my scouting report was. He'll he'll make you forget all about Klay Harbor but I needed to not talk so long because you. That's a good joke that That's funny you need. I'm sorry that was a good one. I Aaron Rodgers Ju on that actually I kind of went into my own rhythm and schedule there. I like to think I still made the play but it was a little frustrating. I only have so much. Clay Harbor related material. That I can go through here. Are We answering this? Rogers Trivia thing before resilient to when whoever's home right now when you're listening to this please shout out your answers and then like prices right and then Andy will listen to the audience and then give his answer all right. Okay give your answer. I want to say one guy. It's one as the answer is a number answer. Do you know who it is you you did you look it up. I initiated not look it up and I thought about this guy and I almost clicked to confirm thought no less. I'm confident enough that I'm going to answer it anyway. Without looking at Marseille Lewis. Wow do you really not look it up? I did not look it up. He was like a late first round. Pick for that was. That was a lifetime ago. You and I were not alive when Marquette trapped in the league so I would almost argue. Is that even count? Does he wasn't their first round pick. He's he's on the back end of his career. They got on the sixteenth hole of his. It was outing here. Yeah Yeah so that is the answer though. That is impressive. I still think you looked it up. I promise you I did not. I have always answered these with integrity. And if I mean by that I mean when I do look it up admitted I have not looked it up this time. Okay I mean. I hinted that it was a small number so I wouldn't surprise you answered one. I was just really were asking if that were asking it. It's a small number Rogers around for ten years. What do you mean we yeah? Small Number Twenty three more than ten years like yeah fifteen years for Rogers. Why WOULD I ten? I don't know honestly for three is in the middle in the middle US around for twelve. We're you are offering now because we are on what this team twenty-six of of this Weekend of of draft media but Let's go to a L. We're arriving at the Minnesota Vikings so now. We have a full hour to devote to the Vikings. Seventy eight man. Draft class here Fifteen players for the Vikings we talked about just Jefferson and Jeff Glad Ni You know we still sort of wonder how Jefferson and feeling What you do with them. Winding-up Jefferson presumably is going to play outside which he didn't do in college right presumably. Because there's there's not a slot receiver in their line-up they're not gonNA put three receivers on the field very often they will play with base personnel. A lot of the time now is we talked about the other night. Though with the nature of their offense. I think stylistically Jefferson. Do More things that he did it. Lsu than you would guess Stylistically by the way how many Lsu guys have become Minnesota Vikings like actually big time players because Justin Jefferson will have warren nothing but purple and Yellow and white and his football. Where did he go to high school? He he's going to be in the same color of for his entire life. Do you know he was a he was a zero star. Recruit at Lsu. I I didn't even know there were such thing. I was as Eurostar recruited. A lot of place. I guess I guess we all were. Us almost a podcast. So it's been said he went to Lsu and became a hundred eleven catch a national champion and now a first round NFL. Pick Yeah They Take Jeff Gladness who I mean they. They need cornerbacks They lost three of their first four cornerbacks from last season. So Jeff Gordon is GonNa take more of those spots. They also took Cameron Dancer. I think dancer was maybe first round. Darkhorse stubby guy until the combine. He just didn't run well. I I hate to emphasize the combine that much but I do think when it comes to cornerbacks combine measurable 's because such a purely athletic reactionary position not not fully be still. Need you know a fairly high football IQ. And all that. But I think it's easy to sort of bump guys up or down based on what they run in dance or did run some the four sixes at at the combine. But he's a big corner. Speed is one thing that can be hard to play without at cornerback in the NFL. We could debate. I think speed say it's overrated the forty time certainly overrated that to me the forty time means almost nothing so but let's say this Dan. Did you see Dan Slur at all in college that he does he play fast at all? I would not a he doesn't but I also know run it solely as he did. I mean I would've I would've called in. Probably an average speed guy with good length. Speeds are hard when somebody I for. I wish I give this guy credit because it was a really good tweet. Somebody had an image the other day. And if you know who it was tweet officer or send us an email talk back because it was an image of all the guys that have run slow forty times in the draft in the names of the corners. And you wouldn't recognize. Hardly any Josh. Norman was the only name I recognized on first blush. I think if there aren't a lot of slow corners in the NFL's two point and they take Ezra Cleveland which maybe spells the end of of Riley reef coming up possibly by the way just in Jefferson to clean that up when he went to death. Strahan Highschool Louisiana. They were red and white kind almost like Washington state's uniforms. Yeah so anyway he. Unfortunately it's not. It can be all purple and yellow but Cleveland. Riley reef is on the outs probably next year. You can get rid of them for minimal cap damage. If I recall one thing you might want to keep in mind is is accurate floated to me. I was on the Boise. Radio show today. Did a bunch of radio stuff boise by coincidence was one of my buddies down at. Ktar pointed out maybe Riley plays guard for me and left. Guard was a position of need this year. I think pat lanes had a lot of chances. I don't know if he's cashed in on him well enough. So could you kick Revi- assume it'd be reviewed move inside because you the guy who's been there awhile and the guy who probably won't be there much longer you would be more willing to tinker with his position than in. Cleveland'S I would guess but that you know I could be wrong on that. They'll figured out. Cleveland gives them more talent along the offensive line. We know that and he does fit in outside zone scheme. He's a better zone blocker than man-to-man blocker and look. I mean they had a ton of day three picks here they at one point were scheduled for thirteen. They traded a couple. They ended up making Looks like eleven day. Three picks up and they just they need is in there. And they're gonNA have competitions and yell for their sake they're gonNA try and shake out some these guys. I'm sorry we're not going to run through all of them. That what what surprises me with. All of the skiers is the discussion around Minnesota in the kirk cousins re signing the contract kind of propagated. The discussion is that now. Now's the time our window is now. It looks to me like your window was last year. I mean this is a lot of new personnel that they're incorporate especially when you factor in who's going to be coming off the bench for them. This team is not nearly as good on paper as it was a year ago. It's a lot of new personnel and I mean look. We're we're GONNA talk all summer about how you know. The the the lack of mini camps and all virtual stuff is going to make it more difficult for new guys to be broken in an continuity is going to be an advantage for a lot of these teams so Look that they were a lot of trouble cap wise. I mean I guess that necessitated the the cousins restructuring to an extent someone someone pointed out to me after I had floated will the Vikings Take George love and intrigue back in mock draft. Which is not supposed to be read by anyone? Let alone followed at all but Cousins Twenty twenty. Two contract becomes fully guaranteed. If I have this correctly an amoeba butchering it comes fully guaranteed on like the fifth day of the twenty twenty one league year so basically. They're locked in to kirk cousins through twenty twenty two on on expensive contracts. And I'm looking at now. I can't cut him now because that would trigger sixty two million dead cap money. So he'll be here for. The duration of this season now sat for analysis cousins. Look it was hideous. It was in his interest to sign this deal as well because there were. It's it's it's a yeah yeah absolutely. I don't blame him. I was just you kind of head scratching that they were making these sort of three or commit. I really thought the Vikings at some point. We're going to kind of say cousins thing is going well but look at how much we're having to tear down. Maybe we want one of those rookie quarterback contracts here and we'll roll the dice. We don't need necessarily need a guy at the top of the first round That sort of thing but yeah. I wonder if they would have done that if they if they had had any clue at all maybe they had a clue but if they knew that. Green Bay was going after love with that of change their approach. They had lot love before the packers got him. I gasped at the same problem I mean they. They are locked in. They are locked the cousins through two thousand twenty so I guess I'm thinking before. They locked themselves into cousins if they had all right. Okay Yeah I Gotcha I gotcha you. I read you one more division. And then we're done Dallas COWBOYS NFC EAST. The Dallas Cowboys have won the draft They they will hold a parade as soon as they can And that's that's it. I mean we talk about. Cd-rom a little bit on Friday. And how lamb really allows Amari Cooper to play in the slot. A Lot. Which is really where you want him but Dan I'm getting tremont digs who I mean. Look maybe a little bit raw. But I don't know if digs necessarily has to play a huge role as a rookie and I mean my goodness the you know. He's a converted receiver and the the physical traits. Are I mean? This is a quarterback built in a lab thing. Yeah long arm. Physical guy probably doesn't have to play right away. Although I I would think they would want that. Because if he's not then who's your number it's either Anthony Brown playing outside probably be Jordan Lewis outside Anthony. Browne would stay in the slot in that case which I think it's serviceable. Yeah that's that's probably fine. I like Louis as a really good number four corner and the way I I want him on the field at times. I don't want them just being on the bench and we feel good that he's on the bench and he might come in if we need them. I think he deserves to be on the phillies. A good player. I liked him in the role. He's been in as a number four corner who can do a lot of different things for play all the play all the corner spots and they end up with their other dates you pick. They take a Neville gallimore penetrating interior defensive. Lineman what might Nolan GonNa do upfront here with this With his unit. Well less so Mike Nolan. Colin plays in the NFL. Believe us with the Falcons is their defensive coordinator. They made a conscious effort under him to be a blitzing defense. They even had meetings about it with the front office and said we feel. We can manufacture our pass rush. So let's not go. We don't need to get. They didn't say it back then. But we don't need to get a demarcus Lawrence type of guy we don't need these super expensive premium pass rushers. We need corners. Who can do that? 'cause we'll manufacture the pass rush. Just give us the coverage on the back. End makes us feel comfortable being aggressive. That was his approach when we last saw now. Maybe he's shifted his philosophy a little bit. They did signed on Terry Po. They signed Gerald McCoy. You just described. Gallimore is a one gap penetrator type of guy. Those players fit a four three zone base scheme. So maybe they're wanting to stick with that. That's what they had under Rod Marinelli and Chris Rashard this past year quite frankly. They didn't play that scheme very well this past year. It has not worked. It should work out for them because they had a lot of talent on defense but it did not work out but they weren't good enough in it so I would think Nolan's going to do more of the blitzing and be a little bit more multiple than what we've seen but we don't know that for sure. Yeah he's a. They just didn't tackle well last year. And maybe maybe getting latent Vandereycken back in the lineup rectify some of that The giants We talked about it they they. They chose Andrew Thomas. They'd like Andrew Thomas Best. There's nothing wrong with that. They'll be right or they'll be wrong but Thomas will be there right. Tackle Xavier mckinney. Was there early second round pickier. A lot of people don't mckinney was going round one versatile safety can play over the slot a little bit and I think we were gonNA play him over the slot. It's more of a zone. Look type of thing but very good at undercutting routes there you go and they they whatever it is. They could use that kind of peace over all they could use a third safety if they want members Patrick Grandma's or coordinator now a he's not a pure patriot guys had some other exposure to other schemes. But my guess is Joe. Judge hired him because he's more patriots than not Patriot. On Defense Patrick. Chung enormous player for New England in terms of establishing the style of play that franchise prefers do you. May Be view exhibitor mckinney and that kind of light do everything type of box safety slash. Corner Chung. I see it as kind of slot corner at times. They'll have options air and there might change week to week to another Patriot trademark and we wondered if if they'd address offensive line again. Thomas will start on the right side this year. Does he move to the left side where they do but they probably need another tackle long-term nate solar stays there but They do. Dave goes back to the old proven formula of taking the best Yukon offensive tackle available last time. The giants did that of course led to two super bowl championships when they took a baby in the second round. Back IN TWO THOUSAND. Nine hundred eighty. That's that's a guy that just I just for he was. He used a nice player when he was at his side height. Yeah he was and that pair it is kind of a late comer to football but But a really good prospect and again as as a as a yukon supporter not very passionate one but is Yukon supporter. It was nice to see some Yukon highlights that were not them getting There's there's I just there's one of Dylan The running back from BC. The packers took and There were like eight Yukon guys trying to tackle him like the fifteen yard line and he just carried them all into the end zone and like that was. That was the contract weekend that I have a quick will bady story for you. It comes out of twenty seventeen. I WanNa see I wanNA make sure I get the timing right on this Our old friend Mack Gonyea. The Eagles signed Will Beta magazines are editor the QB. From the beginning of it he was original guys The Eagles signed will beatty. I guess I'm going back. It looks like it's November of twenty seventeen and when they signed him so let's mid season. We'll beat he'd been out of the NFL. He was thirty two years old at that point. Matt Matt Mack. Gonyea contacted me. Want to know if I was wanting to. Do you want to write up? The will the big breaking news on we'll Beta they signed left tackle. I said what do you mean what what breaking new baby the giants tackle? I said. It's no we're in the middle of November though he hasn't been in the league. He's a retread guy. I mean I just had a nice career but this isn't this isn't new not gonNA play and Ghani was blown away by that. He couldn't believe turning the story down the will be. What would I have said in that article two time? Superbowl champion will baby signs with the Eagles? Yeah and I guess you know he would have won the super bowl that year right. I'm telling you you take a Yukon tackle on day two and just watch the multiple super bowls roles that way does will beatty have three rings in no no. I don't think he I don't think he stayed in Philadelphia. Wasn't there long enough that well. That's the story we should have written in was when they got rid of wilby early in two thousand seventeen after signing him He was on sorry. Sorry he did win. That's right twenty seventeen. He won with the Eagles. He only won one super bowl with okay. All right you bet. That seems that makes more still. I'm sorry not paired only leads to one super bowl for the giants here so that you can. You can deal with that That Developmental often to tackle here so they got to tackle who hopefully become their their tax with future here day. Three Lots of Defense Darna homes is is very fast the one hundred ten pick and sort of up and down at Ucla but interesting guy and most we'll see the giants still sort of building up and obviously the cowboys are very good in that division and so are the Eagles The Eagles had probably the most controversial pick of the weekend. And we'll get to that in a second but look when we came into this off season. We kind of said boy. Eagles got add speed. They gotta add speed and I mean my goodness okay. Okay we'll do with heard Jalen Rieger. And then he took John hightower out of Boise State. Who is just a pure burner? And then they trade from artiste. Goodwin they get to Sean Jackson back. I'm sure someone's made the joke that that's a four by one hundred relay team but that's also not a joke that is like bronze medal winning for by one hundred relay team. If you want to put him out there. There was a lot of watch on this marquees. Goodwin trade it was all these updates goodwin trade could go down. Niners rip open to Goodwin Trade Marquees. Goodwin didn't play last year for them. So I mean it's nice it got and speedster goodwin will have to beat out. John hightower because otherwise they're going to go with the the fifth round rookie and hightower is going to have to beat out the Sean Jackson for significant. Snazzy probably won't do that but he'll be in the lineup yes speed overall. They got speed and last year. They addressed the need to replace. We'll bady at left tackle with Andrei Dillard. So they're all set there as long as he can be better against the bull rush. It's an athletic offense overall. When you look at I mean Lane Johnson. Gelson Jason Kelsey Andre Dillard at offensive line lot of speed at wide receiver. I little tight ends and a quarterback who will be aggressive with all of that and Jalen hurts they took jalen hurts. Everyone in Philadelphia. I couldn't believe how much vitriol was being Spewed out on the jalen hurts pick. I'll say in a number one carson. Wentz hasn't made it to the end of a season since his rookie year I know people are GonNa say well. We started the playoff game. But yeah you got hurt during the playoff game. And then they had to put Josh mccown out there who was limping around on a bad hamstring. Because he's He's my age and trying to play professional football He's he's a little younger than you. But that's where I go. We're the same age is Jamie. Yes same athleticism and similar success in our careers. Right Jalen hurts. So yes. You have yourself a backup quarterback again. We saw what happened. Nick foles they probably feel pretty good about their ability to develop quarterbacks here But more than that I mean. Look they clearly have some sort of plan for? Jalen hurts to be involved in the offense in some way while Carson Wentz is healthy and starting in playing so yes I it's it's it's too early to know what this book is therefore too early to be so upset about this. I think the pick will be some kind of form of ran. Antwan randle El when he was with Pittsburgh and former quarterback and he was more of a receiver than hurts. Obviously but that kind of concept that extensive gadgetry type of pick the problem is. It's going to be hard to find enough snaps for him. Tay Some hills the closest equivalent that we have and he gets on the field for about half the stats. But he's a blocking tight end at times where he's an H. back. He's a a receiving tied in hill can do a lot more than what? Jalen hurts can do based on what appears hurts a skill set is entering the NFL right now. Yeah I'll just say this I mean look they're the same size tastes them hill and I'm not sitting here saying the eagles Really like the thought of Jalen hurts blocking and tackling on special teams. But you not some hill. If you watch them in college you would have just said like Oh. That's right handed Tim Tebow. That's that's A. That's a quarterback who can't really throw what are they gonna do with them And this is what they did with. I don't think anyone would have looked at taste. Hill coming out of. Byu and said by God this you know. Here's a special teams ace and a potential H back tight end type. A guy you make a great point. I didn't I'll be honest. I didn't realize jalen hurts was a stick as he was. He's six one to two. It looks like he doesn't tell me if I'm wrong I don't my eyeball test doesn't seem to say that's what he is he. Actually I used to think the same thing about him. I did not think he was that big until I Until I saw the measurements before the combine when you went to Oklahoma. 'cause I'm here. He said about his. Nfl prospects of that point being snarky or anything here. Maybe he was different padding than as the milk as them. Hill looks big. I'm surprised hills not to thirty two twenty something as its weight low twenties. So yeah. Maybe you're onto something there. Maybe I need to expand my thinking on it. We know this Gary Philadelphia would not make pick unless they had a clear plan in mind right now of what they're going to do. Jalen hurts and they're not gonNA tell us what the plan is. They're they're a secret of team for one but for too it makes even if they were a blabbermouth team or media-friendly team. They still shouldn't tell anybody. That's that's good trade information that they have in their hands right now. And what can I give you my Josh mccown story row? Quick Yeah definitely. Do I told this a few years ago. Do you remember the story? No I saw Josh mccown at the combine. I guess I can say now because everybody's moved on. He was meeting with the bears staff so it was Adam gays as as a coordinator in John. Fox's head coach Ryan pace was the GM so mechanic come in sometimes combine every once in a while. You'll see a player Frank Gore. I saw a few years ago. Just sitting there in the lobby. They come in if they're still unsigned and they're looking at long term contracts like two year extension type of deal anyway. Mccown was in town talking to contract. Maybe now I think about me. I'm not supposed to say this at all who may have been a tampering meeting. But anyway what how they were at the high it at a eating a fancy breakfast at the Hyatt restaurant. Would you have guessed Josh? Mccown war to that meeting. Specifically what kind of footwear crocs the good guess you WanNa take another one. I'll tell you this I guess it it's way off both in berkinstocks. No combat boots like a goth like those kids from the mall and you were young. Yeah and they were the kind that went up almost up over most of his Shin Really. Yeah these were. These were heavy duty boots nice. Yeah good on him. Yeah and with that we go on to debut on Taylor the from David Taylor is also just incredibly fast. They they have Whenever they do attract me if they decided to track meets instead of Football Games this year. The Eagles are going to just blow. Everyone away David Taylor Colorado linebacker four three something guy just just incredibly fast track athlete. And just awful publisher. You didn't play High School baller. I should say he I believe he appeared in one game and he was a an and still possibly still is a seventh day adventist and they did not participate in football because of the schedule and then cave on. Wallis kind of a big Slot Guy Safety type A type of dude from Clemson so yeah I look. I think the eagles are in good shape. I don't think they had desperate needs I really like adding Darius slay and and John Hargrave during the free agency period and young. Yes jalen hurts is a luxury pick. I didn't really have a problem with it. I'M NOT GONNA say it's great but I just didn't have a big problem with it and apparently everyone just wants to I don't know just punch Howie Roseman in the back of the head or something Y. In I I always struggle to criticize individual picks because again these teams they know so much more about who these guys are what they need all the variables ago these teams have infinitely more information than we do. So who are we to ever criticize and individual pick? I do think it's fine to analyze a draft and look at the concept of it but it's hard ever say you should not have taken back guy take this guy instead. How how do you tell that to now? Now I'm I'm I'm with you. I was just surprised at how upset. Of course yeah. No and I guess if we didn't do that if we didn't have that freedom none of us have jobs too. So maybe I need to backtrack a little bit on that. But let's play it out. Let's see what they have in mind for. Jalen hurts and then we'll analyze it. I was surprised by the pick doll. So that okay. I was just surprised by the I was trying to. I was just surprised by the reaction to make especially for the team. That just won the super bowl two years ago with a backup quarterback. I I thought you you know. Be a little bit more and not excited but just sort of understanding of what might be going on. But like I said I- jalen hurts is going to have a role outside of backup quarterback and we'll see what that is Deb resisted the last team of our draft extravaganza that is Washington Chase young obviously became the second overall. Pick that kind of surprised. No one they have a chance to have a really good pass rush their day to sixty pick. Antonio Gibson. I've seen running back somewhere or receiver somewhere. I would think running back in Washington and honestly I think he's a really good running back. I think he's really good running back prospect. I think he's a guy who Early on you'll put him on the field on passing downs and I think he can become much more than that. I think Down the line. He might be a a three down sort of lead. Your Committee type of guy in the redskins have seen over the years. How Valuable Chris? Thompson has ended them when he's been available and really how how much the offense was reduced when he was unavailable. Different system. Different team all that stuff. Now I get that same uniforms though but the point is having the dinette dynamic running back that can do a lot to help especially a young quarterback 'cause those running back routes limited route trade just by nature. You can't run every out of the backfield going run. A certain number even if Gibson gives them a weapon there and I think they'll use him in more ways than just that but even if he's only that kind of weapon that'll be important for Dwayne Haskins especially considering that they really don't have a starting caliber tight in on the roster so they need some kind of yet to have a gadgetry night dad yet to have a matchup piece somewhere in the offense. If you don't have it at tight end. You needed receiving back yet. They ended up signing rainy. Moss's son thaddeus Moss in the free and superior. I'm not sitting here saying well. Now they have a tight end they got this undrafted free agent. Trying to say it's more that that is more of a factoid you me of the factoid by Los Angeles chargers Sort OF SUPER BOWL fodder on the last show. But that is a factoid. They signed that is moss and thaddeus. Most probably would have been drafted if not for a foot injury that. Sorta kept teams from getting a good look at them but Yeah the the trend has gone. They end up taking a city Charles. LSU offensive tackle who they hope will one day grow into that left tackle spot and Everyone Loves Antonio Gandhi Golden Because He's the Liberty Receiver Really big dude someone. I don't WanNa pick on someone especially 'cause I don't remember who the analysts was but someone gave him a Calvin Johnson comp. Look when they're doing that they're doing that. Stylistically I mean come on. Don't be a fan boy on we deal. We've all dealt with those kind of people you know that but yeah I agree. I would not have the gall to do that. Even if I'm saying stylistically because of what you just did be yes. Yeah BUT GANDHI GOLDEN EIB. He's he's like A. He had a bunch of NEAT FACTOID. Up in the morning when they took him. He's a gardener and I think he bowled like three hundred game and he's a guitarist and probably the most interesting draft pick. I'd say since a clay harbor he worked back in Nice job there. That's how you that's how you wrap up a trilogy and by the way I honestly don't remember if clay harbor was drafted but he had to find a couple of years he didn't. I don't know where he is now. That's all we don't need to find. I'm going to go but we we can end this show. That's next week's trivia question man. I T's on something called team nine. Oh xfl that was under the team name on Wikipedia or something. Okay all right. So they're all right. He's out there. He's doing all right. Thanks Andy I'm so glad you did this. This was this was a fun three shows. I think for the first time ever. We actually space these out properly so that we didn't want to Just kill each other by the end. We had some long Sundays in the past And this was nice. This is great to spread it out over several shows. I'm with you on that and same Shelby Royce in our producer. Also as far as we know Does not wish us any particular harm. Now that this is all over I will just remember the one year. Liu Pelegrina was so our producer at that point Probably two or three years ago and we needed multiple bathroom breaks during the podcast because it was just it was just so long and we thought it was. Never GonNA end. Yup I remember that. Yes kinda the euro. That was a Sunday afternoon. Never speaking of Well Andy once again we thank you for joining us as our special guest and I feel this is just goodbye for now. I'll talk to you at some point in the near future. I'm sure Gary M. qb Monday morning. Podcast is me Gary gramling and special. Thanks once again to Andy for joining us for the NFL draft recap trilogy. We are produced by shelby. Royston essays executive producer of PODCASTS. Scott Brody then Eagle is director of editorial projects and Product Markovic. Raven is emeritus editor of the MTV and he is the founder of the NFL. 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NFL Draft: Round One Reveals

First Draft

20:59 min | 6 months ago

NFL Draft: Round One Reveals

"With the twenty-six pick in the two thousand twenty NFL draft the Green Bay Packers Select Jordan Love quarterback Utah State. That was the sound of what was probably the most surprising moment last night's NFL draft. Well that in the scene at Titans head coach Mike Rebels House to Tango. Loa ended up where he was expected to land. All along in Miami there were still plenty of shockers in the first round. Espn's Mike Golic. Junior joins us to break down the most interesting picks and the ones that didn't happen. I mean it comes. It's Friday April twenty fourth this is espn daily. All right. All right so Mike. We thought there might be some shockers involving the quarterbacks but in the end after so much discussion over whether to might slide whether Justin Herbert would be drafted before him to it ended up in Miami and Herbert was taken by the chargers. The actual shocker. We'll get to those guys in a second. But the real surprise was Jordan love the Utah State quarterback going to Green Bay at Twenty Six. What was your immediate reaction? Can I get a camera on in Green Bay right now? Like Aaron Rodgers head to be hot coming off of that one because Jordan love. I think we all kind of wear the same place as a ton of upside with that pick. Potentially a crazy arm to work with probably GONNA be a couple of years away which is fine but Aaron Rodgers has three years left on his deal. I believe in extension that he signed and that offense needs plenty of help. You could've used a tackle Brian. Baga you can certainly use more weapons to try an arm your hall of fame quarterback with when you were a team that was a game away from potentially being a super bowl contender so i. I really didn't understand that one and I thought you on our draft broadcast tonight us. The best term opportunity costs seemed to be the big L. for the packers. There I think the confusion there is not only over. You know we'll win is stored in love actually going to start. Aaron Rodgers has multiple years left on his very large contract. This is in a Philip rivers or drew brees situation where we might actually see him sitting for a year learning behind the veteran and then coming back or coming in rather that's a question and then the other one is boy they really didn't weapon for Aaron. You know and I think that's what most people expected them to do in the draft. There were still some really talented receivers on the board. I didn't see packers fact pans reactions to the pig that I imagine. They were pretty stunned. Yeah and like you said this is a year where I understand the wide receiver draft. You could argue that because of the depth of the class you can get something closely resembling what you want in the second round. How maybe even into the third round but with that being such a pressing need and let's be real like we don't know even in a world where quarterbacks are playing well into the forties we don't know necessarily how long the window stays as open as it seems right now for the packers not capitalizing there. I think is going to be something that haunts in this year. In the packers picking later on in the second round means they could miss out on some of those by receivers. Let's get back to to rid the fifth pick in the two thousand twenty NFL draft. The Miami Dolphins select to a Tunga quarterback Alabama. So like you said after so much conversation and also Mike whether or not Miami would have to trade up potentially into the third or four spots. They sat there and they got the man they've been with a long. How do you like the Fifth Miami? I like the fit with Miami. I think as much as I would like to sit with anybody right like too. Outside of Joe Borough was the one prospect that I think we all agreed from a football standpoint. Does all of the things you want a quarterback to do well. He's extremely quick when it comes to processing. He's got an arm. That maybe isn't going to blow you away but can make all the throws and I think just as important as anything for me with Miami. Is You drafted Austin Jackson at offensive tackle at USC? Later in the first round. You're going to try and bolster that position. You made some picks their last year. But it's still a work in progress and I think the best thing to a does with his mobility is not run of the four quarterbacks that we saw drafted in the first round he had V fewest Russia's on scramble or design runs last year in college football but what he does is get himself away from pressure really well and we know that is part of going to a bad team as a quarterback of the top end of the draft and so I think that standpoint probably helps Miami the most if he does see the field in year one or even in the year to the quarterback who was drafted after him. Justin Herbert does run and he runs very very well. I actually think it's one of his strongest attributes. Aside from his powerful arm in Los Angeles. He gets a coach. Anthony Lynn. Who has worked with mobile quarterbacks in the past there Kerr starter tyrod Taylor and him had a great dual threat attack in Buffalo. So I imagine the offense that they would Taylor for Herbert would be very very different from what we sell. Philip rivers operate last year. What do you make of the situation? Herbert's walking into and do you think he starts immediately or sits behind tyrod for awhile I think. Ideally he would sit behind tyrod and what you just mentioned there with that offense in combination. And what he can do. Not Having the necessarily Taylor at to just one of those quarterbacks right like in theory with that you can run and operate a very similar offense with tyrod as your starter and you've brought this up and I think rightly so tyrod is a guy who mentor is very well understood for him. That's probably not ideal. He would like to start. But you're in a quarterback room that's going to be conducive to learning for a backup and conducive to playing to that strength of our. If the first reids not there we can get down and we can use those legs. We can build in some of those design plays for you to maximize the strength early while you build and try and make sure that the rest of those gifts that went under developed in an Oregon offense that was not friendly. One for quarterbacks start to develop towards the NFL level. Mike this is the third time in the common draft era. That three quarterbacks were taken in the top six last time was nineteen ninety nine however only four were taken in the first round. Were you surprised that another quarterback wasn't draft last night? I think I was surprised but almost a bit relieved right like we tend to see the quarterback market always sort of accordion together and bring guys into the first round. That don't necessarily I hesitate to say deserve to be there but merit based on their skill when you looked at the guys that were outside of that top four Jacob Jake from maybe a Jalen hurts out of Oklahoma I think with all of them. There are enough flaws that you're gonNA have to work around. That made them more of a project than the first round. Should have to or be willing to take on again kind of going. Back to the packers Aaron Rodgers Point. I don't think you want to spend that kind of draft capital on a guy who's not gonNa help you right away. New certainly going to need that kind of time to develop so after the Jordan love pick. I think the other big surprise of the night was that Henry rugs the Alabama wide receiver was the first white out drafted overall stake. In by the raiders. Most people had him third behind Jerry. Judy who went fifteen to Denver and CD lamb. Who fell all the way to seventeen with the cowboys? Do you think it's a good fit with the raiders? And how do you like those other fits? Yeah it certainly seems. Like the most traditionally raiders. Pick possible. Right like Al Davis is somewhere smiling down saying take the burner take the forty time and run with it so I do like the fit. It's going to be interesting. Derek Carr hasn't had deep weapons like that in a couple of years now and as it was pointed out to us tonight by our resident Raiders Fan Jason Fitz. When he had some of those options like Amari Cooper and others he was willing to go down field that being Derek Carr can they make use of that an offense that was much more work work short across the middle of the field? And try and let guys get yards after the catch as far as the other fix. I Love Jerry Judy in Denver having that combination of receivers there with him in Portland Sutton I think gives drew lock a real chance to go out and be successful this year and my God. The Dallas Cowboys identity shift is fully complete now for a new put. A bunch of tight ends and run the ball down. Everyone throats with Zeke. Elliot offense to one. That's going to be going four and five wide and spraying it all over to these weapons between the aforementioned Amari Cooper Michael Gallup and now CD lamb in the fold there. I mean what a great world. Now for Zeke Elliot. Who was used to a lot of heavy box? Looks who's now going to get much easier spots to try and run through because everyone's going to have to worry about covering those receivers Dallas cowboys offense. That was already one of the most efficient offenses in football last year. I feel like Mike McCarthy's showed up and just gave himself a gift absolutely. I'll take one of those CD. Lambs all right after the break. Let's talk about some of the other big surprises in the draft. And of course your favorite unit the offensive line with the eighth. Pick in the twenty twenty. Nfl draft the Zona Cardinals. Select Isaiah Simmons Linebacker Clemson so Mike. We've talked a lot about ISIAH DEF- Isaiah defense. You know what keep that in because it feels right because it was going to say Isaiah Simmons who's a linebacker but also a safety but also a slack corner but really he plays defense. That's how he describes it summit projected him going as high as fourth overall to New York but he felt to eight with the Arizona cardinals which wasn't a position people expected Arizona target. But I don't think they expected him to be available there. How do you think he'll be used in Arizona and do you like that as a landing spot I do? I think when you look at that secondary and you're certainly familiar with a lot of those pieces as there are a lot of former Washington huskies in the Arizona secondary but I think adding him to that unit where to me. He always feels more at home. If you were GonNa try and peg him at one spot. I would much rather it be safety over a traditional linebacker type role that being said the hope is that they have the imagination to use him in the way that he deserves. Meaning you're right. Make him defense make him multiple. Make him the tight end equivalent for what you. WanNa do on defense you would never have asked Rob Gronkowski to just be in line blocker or just be a guy split out why the beauty of these kinds of athletes get to use them as chess pieces that can put the other side of the football and a compromise position. And I don't know of anyone is going to do that on defense. Potentially as well as Isaiah Simmons speaking of Rob Gronkowski. Isaiah Simmons is tight end neutralizer. He's also a great quarterbacks spy feeling Mike is that you don't even want to tag him with the position. You want to assign him players. If you're playing the San Francisco. Forty niners have him cover. George biddle always target the player playing the Ravens? He's on the Mark Jackson for example that to me is the best way to use a talent of that caliber. Just turn on some clemson tape. Like don't be afraid to say Brent. Venables is really good at his job. Maybe we should steal some of the things he did with this freak of nature so there weren't that many trades in the first half of the draft actually born to Adam schefter. This is the first time since two thousand fifteen that there wasn't a trade in the top ten but one of the trades later on was intriguing was the Tampa. Bay buccaneers. Were the forty niners arbitrate? They're going to trade with the Tampa. Bay buccaneers Tom. Brady's books are moving up one slot to come up this draft. They're still tackle on the board trading up just a slot to get there right. Tackle tristen worse and it was after. The three offensive tackles many grouped with him. Andrew Thomas Jeter quills and MCI. Becton came off the board. What do you think of the order in which those players taken? Please draw on your expertise as a former offensive lineman. Yes now order. Wise may not have been the exact order I would have taken. I thought pure talent wise. Regardless of what side of the line someone plays on Jesuit wills was going to be the best offensive tackle in this draft. That being said I can understand the Andrew. Thomas Pick Very Clean Guy. Great player with a lot of pedigree from Georgia offensive line unit. That certainly has shelled out. Guys like one of my personal favorites. My large adults on Isaiah win. Who is now in New England so I understand that at the top but when we got down to Tampa it was interesting because you already had the physical freak. Mci Becton off the board and Jesuit wills at that point and so you're left with the last of the four. I think real sure things with Tampa Bay. We know protecting Tom Brady. Now is the priority. Add the Trent Williams market was going to be too rich for your taste and so moving and making sure. Alright I got the last of the four guys that we talked about all really in the mix for the first tackle potentially taken off the board tristen worse just a ton of ability there that if you can refine just a bit is a guy with all pro capability. One of the other surprising. Moments involving alignment was when the saints who took a center last year in the draft in the second round. Those Eric McCoy picked Michigan Cesar Ruiz at twenty four instead of a linebacker is a lot of people thought they might address. What did you make of that selection? The rich get richer. Like if you look in this draft overall San Francisco Getting Giovane Kim Law falling down to them and certainly for the Saints Offensive. Line has been touted as a strength for a couple of years. Now they added Ryan Ramczyk at right tackle. Not Too long ago. And you mentioned the Eric McCoy Pick Cesar. Ruiz is the guy who played center for Michigan. Last but has some garden his pass to his game can certainly slide there as it seems like a. Wofford is on his way out at the right guard spot there but I just think smart teams like this in the NFL. Draft tend to look and say all right. We don't have a desperate need really in anyone's spot. Why don't we continue to fortify the area of strength make it even better in what maybe drew brees his final year and ensure that we're going to give that offense the best chance to continue succeed with that as a strength speaking of very good teams? The chief said last pick in the draft and they took a running back Clyde Edwards Hilar- out of lsu instead of a corner. Mike you know how I feel about drafting running backs in the first round. What will you do for that offense? And I just WANNA say begrudgingly I share your tastes. Like is a former offensive. Lineman talking about downgrading the value of the running back position hurts my soul in a very real way that being said. Clyde Edwards Allaire may not have been my rb one that was probably Andrea Swift. But I don't know if you could tailor a better fit to what. Kansas City does on offense very similar. Quite frankly to a Clyde Edwards Allaire was dealing with Lsu more five-man protections than any offense in college football last year. A guy who is maybe the best pure pass catcher of any of the running backs in the group this year and who can operate really well in some of those zone running plays those blocking schemes. That aren't gonNA make a ton of use of tight ends and multiple bodies like that in the middle of the field. I love him as a fit. And that offense now. Multiple weapons on every level good luck. I hope you can get to the passer Patrick Mahomes in two seconds because if not that ball is in the hands of someone very dangerous. Who's likely got one of the only one on one match ups on the field good night. Was there anyone you were a surprise wasn't picked in the first round. I think sticking with Lsu Christian Fulton and I understand when you're watching the tape of lsu's corners last year. Your eyes are probably drawn. Derek Stanley Junior. Who is a future top? Five pick as a true freshman for them but Christian Fulton is a very good corner and one that I can't believe even at draft where I think we saw five or six corners drafted in the first round. He wasn't one of the names. Mike I think perhaps the biggest surprise as I'd from Jordan Levin Henry Rugs and these is of Cliff Kingsbury House. Good Lord was that nothing really went wrong I mean there couple minor glitches but for the most part from a technological standpoint. This was pretty smooth. How did it feel to you? It did it felt very clean and I want to give a hat tip to our coverage of the WNBA draft last week. I looked at that as a production lock done largely by our folks and I said all right everyone involved in that process from the TV broadcast side. To the teams making picks. The commissioner all seem to operate pretty smoothly after some practice in that spot. We know and we heard very often about how much time the NFL spent practicing this week. So it seemed to pay off and I think the lack of trades that we really saw the first round probably aided that to some extent but for the most part there who knew that all of these guys in their rooms with various people in Winnebago's in the park in the driveway or while the other twenty five screens that Schneider has going on somehow managed to pull this off all right. Thanks so much. Get some sleep. I'll talk to you tomorrow. Thanks coming up. Could soccer returned soon in Spain? Here's another story. I want you to know the. Nfl draft has given football fans something to cheer for. There is still a lack of clarity around. How the actual seasons going to play out but in Europe football as in football football as in soccer appears to be on the precipice of coming back this week. The German football league announced that Bundesliga could restart as soon as the May ninth as long as they get a green light from the government. The head of the League's Task Force on the issue says they'd need to administer more than ten thousand Cova nineteen tests over a ten week period complete season as well as practicing social distancing monitoring and limiting gatherings now. This is being discussed there in large part because Germany has fought the krona virus with great success. There's actually been a decline there and confirmed cases since mid April so it might be more realistic to restart soccer there than it is in Spain. One of the hardest hit countries and yet Lolita one of the two main Spanish leagues is also considering a comeback. New York Times reported Thursday that the League is targeting. A June return. The Times got their hands on the guidelines. They've established for doing so and they are stripped. Clair's would have to go through a month long training protocol. They don't have to be tested. Of course and only allowed to practice together in small groups at first and any player who tests positive would be sent home to isolate states would also be tested as well. It remains to be seen if any of this can actually happen or if the players coaches and staffers would even comply but they have strong incentive to do so the League has said that calling off the season would cost teams more than one billion dollars. I mean it calms and this has been ESPN daily our show is produced by Alexander Hyacinth. Mike John's Steve Martin Ryan Intel Independent Eve. Trope Chris to Mellow and Erinvale special. Thanks this week to Russell. Danilo and Troy Farkas. I'll talk to Monday.

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The Chris and Joe Show: Linebacker Offseason Breakdown

Big Blue View

26:08 min | 9 months ago

The Chris and Joe Show: Linebacker Offseason Breakdown

"In this episode is brought to you by Ziprecruiter weren't a brand new year. The perfect time to think about growing your business with Ziprecruiter ziprecruiter's powerful matching technology analogy scans thousands of resumes to help you find candidates with the right experience for Your Business. ziprecruiter is so effective that four out of five employers get a quality quality candidate through the site within the first day. Try ziprecruiter right now for free at ZIPRECRUITER DOT COM Slash Fox that ziprecruiter dot com slash video Alex ziprecruiter dot com slash box ziprecruiter. The smartest way to hire hello and welcome to the Kristen Joe show presented to you bias be nation and big blue you. I'm Judy Leo. Orange Micro Tom and we are continuing our off season discussions of each position group giving you the perspective for the New York giants and then transitioning running in discussing what you need to know about free agents and the draft class. Today we were talking about the linebacker position. We talked talk mostly about the edge position on the previous show in terms of pass rushers today. We're getting a little bit. More focused on the outside linebackers the inside linebackers and a lot of the issues that the giants are dealing with. And I think Chris you and I can both agree. This is one of the biggest positional holes that the giants have right now is not having consistency and a real major playmaker at the linebacker position. We're going to get rolling right on into this and like we have been doing discussing the positives. It's the first thing the one thing that we really did like from this linebacker group. And that's having pass rush versatility from the outside linebackers now. Lorenzo Carter an ocean's is imminent. We're not really true. Pass rushing linebackers. But they were able to be productive despite not getting a ton of run in a ton one of reps both of them had four and a half sacks Carter had six tackles for loss. And then Zimmer says the most surprising though having that four and a half sacks and then also five tackles for loss to go along with it yes That really is kind of part of the edge position. The way devolving is. Sometimes they're linebacker. Sometimes they're defensive end and I think both of those guys is did show that they can do. Both of those positions depending on the down distance alignment package All of those things that are constantly constantly changing on defense. I was pleasantly surprised by o'shane's images especially towards the end of the end of the year. Now I thought he would. We'd have a fairly short learning curve because he did come out with really Polish technique in hand usage especially coming out of a school like Old Dominion it would be one one thing to expect pollen. polished technique coming out of Ohio state or Alabama but Old Dominion is not exactly a football factory Lorenzo Carter under the fact that they produced so similarly is Great Brasilia's not great for Carter just because you would expect him to produce more to take more of a step in his second year in the NFL. Carter like you said did not really take a huge leap forward but we did see some improvements. I think one the things is though is that they didn't really give as many reps as as as we would have hoped to Carter as he wasn't one of the top positional rep getters At at the at the outside linebacker position but still decent production. I think the bigger positive though is oceans. Inez I think he went a little bit under the radar in in terms of people knowing how well he did do and I think when you talk about how he only got around forty five percent of reps During the season season at his position and he was able to be relatively productive as a rookie and as a third rounder. That is pretty promising. Now in terms of Joe Judges New Philosophy of we're GONNA work with guys in there and help them improve their strengths and work with those strengths to become a better. Football team. Zimmer says could very well well fit that mold of. We're GONNA work with him. We're going to keep getting him better. And then turn him into a defensive weapon. Both of these guys though. I think go in line with the philosophy philosophy of having a good defense that you don't need either of them to be your premier pass rush threat but the best defense is in the NFL right now or good. Because they have depth at pass rushing at the pass rushing position they have different guys can come in and swap out on sub packages in various area situations. That can come in make a play. Go pick up a sack. You don't need them to start every single down if they do happen to draft or sign someone to be be those primary threats yet. You also mentioned first. Attila Eighty and I think that could be where. Lorenzo Carter shines lines you know maybe as a primary pass rusher but more is a guy who can give us some pass rush. Who can be a weapon on passing passing down but also a guy who can play in space yet? I don't know about you but at least for me. Most of Carter's most memorable invest snaps. Came with him playing being in space. Either chasing down a screen pass running with a running back or a tight end doing those things really using his length in athleticism to to kind of occupy that middle of the field area where the giants have struggled so mightily to find any answers so dope maybe with a shifting defensive philosophy maybe the giants will use Carter as more of a defensive weapon like you said and maybe that will be his strength and the other thing too. Is that both of these guys are very athletically are talented. They just need to be more refined on a number of different things. Hopefully the new coaching and in having a new coaching staff a new face in front of them will be able to help cultivate that development in that increase in production over over the next few seasons terms of things we didn't like and this is something that I would say we've harped on for a long time. Now since the beginning of the show is Alec Ogle Tree Keep It plain and simple. Go Right to the source here Alec Ogle Tree Albeit. He's not a bottom tier linebacker in this league but he's not really performing up to the contract contracting. He's being given right now right now. He's earning around eleven million dollars a year. which is one of the top linebacker salaries in the NFL in his performances and and also his availability has not been up to that standard so he only had eighty eighty tackles last year a sack and an interception and he also only played in thirteen games in each of the last two seasons not having him available that often for a full sixteen game stretch understandably? It's the linebacker position but not having that that availability for a guy that is being paid to be one of the top players at his position is truly disappointing and Ogle Sri used to be a much more athletic and explosive linebacker when he was younger in earlier on in his career. But you're starting to see that regress from him. We're starting to see continued injuries. We're starting trying to see him slowdown. We're starting to see his reaction time not being as good as it used to be. Look I alkyl. Trees seems like a great guy but I don't really think that he is the answer. Answer Right now at the Mike linebacker position it really does beg the question of if he should be sticking around or not yet. Definitely you mentioned him slowing down. I think that kind of exposes the big weakness in his game and that is just his mental processing in kind of awareness remember. We'd hoped hoped that his uptick in production. At the second half of twenty eighteen would carry over and he would be able to build on that in twenty nineteen but we really didn't see that he had all those interceptions and although splash plays at the end of two thousand eighteen. But it seems like those really were due to just the giants playing bad backup quarterbacks and all too often way too often way way too often you know we saw Ogle tree just kind of covering grass standing there. While offensive players ran through his zone and him Not Reacting until the player or the ball were passed him. We saw him give up touchdowns just looking completely lost in the defense aunts and you know as his athleticism has started to fade. He can't really make up time like he couldn't like he used to be able to. And and that is really having a negative impact on the defense and then his contract is just kind of hamstrings. The giant salary cap gap position. There's not really any other way to put it feeds making. `Bout twenty two twenty two and a half million dollars over the next two years that it's way way too much for the level of play. The giants are getting and if Al Ghul Tree was making a minimum contracts something around maybe five million it would be worth what you're getting for him but the fact that he's earning over ten million dollars and is one of the higher paid linebackers in the NFL. It puts a lot a strain on the CAP. As as you indicated there and I just WanNa say his regression is a pin amazed from one specific player can remember against the Miami Dolphins were. He was pretty. Much stooped out by Ryan Fitzpatrick was not able to really redirect and pick him up and make that play because he reacts slowly and he cut and moved too slowly onto the other negative. We have here and this one is very clear considering the lack of talent at the position. But it's it's the fact that there's not much depth at linebacker spot and once in the beginning of the season Ryan Connolly who had a really good preseason. He was starting to look good good early on in the year as soon as you went down with the season ending injury. It seems like everything went all to hell because there was no one consistent there were different guys popping in and out and there were a lot of problems in run defense despite having a really good frontline of big space. Eating Defensive Tackles and defensive ends. They weren't able to make plays and it was continually on and off during the season that they weren't able to get consistent play from their linebackers Akerson also Alec Ogle tree was in and out. He missed three games this year. And what other guys had to step in and play there was a A WHO's who of the linebacker linebacker position who is in here. And where are they even from. And you could point the finger rated them and saying they're the big reason why the run defense is not looking so good but if you look at the linebackers that are the depth for them at David Mayo stepped in and played most of the season. He didn't really seem like he was an answer. Dan Buchanan who they signed later on. The season did not really play up to the expectations. That a lot of people had hoped was a James Becher piece that was brought in because he was familiar with him in the Joe Cya Ziya to a more of a special teams guy overall though there needs to be an emphasis in this year's draft of at least taking one guy early on during the later rounds. Yeah it's kind of that way with a number of physicians where you'd love to get the guy at the top of the round in May be Circle back around dull damp and get a guy later on. I think I think there are a few teams where you know maybe having David Buchanan as special teams guys as you know maybe be a depth piece who comes on the field here and there you know if your starter needs to tie shoe or something like that but you do not want to have to be relying on them and really. The giants were in In a position where they had to rely on those guys and it really showed. Now we're GONNA fill you in on the upcoming linebacker free agents to be aware of and also this year's linebacker draft class but before Redo that we're going to take a short commercial break. This episode is brought to you by Ziprecruiter. Where in a brand new year? And it's the perfect nick. Time to think about growing your business but hiring talented new people to expand your team can be frustrating and time consuming. If you're not using ziprecruiter you're the ziprecruiter makes finding the right person for your company. Easy they send your job opening to more than one hundred leading job sites and with their powerful on matching technology ziprecruiter skins thousands of resumes to find people with the right experience and invites to apply to your job as applications come in then ziprecruiter analyzes each one and spotlights the top candidates. So you never miss a great match. ZIPRECRUITER's tools are so effective that four out of five employers. 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It's a bit of a scarce group so nor discussing the offseason game plan for the linebacker a position. There's not a ton of options for them to go out and sign someone we were saying talking before the show that besides the list that we have accumulated here. It's a lot of guys that are over. The age of thirty two that are a bit over the Hump that would essentially be the same quality or worse than Alec Ogle Tree but I think that if they do for their game plan for this position group if they want to be smart about it they should bring in some type of veteran they should bring in somebody that has been around the league because they can help elevate and bring up the the the level of quality for this defense defense kind of like the chargers did this past off season and bringing in. Thomas Miss Davis from the the panthers while their defense wasn't as good as many people had hoped it could be. That's the type of peace that you're looking for. The other thing too here is is drafting. Isaiah Simmons I'm GonNa keep pushing net that addenda. I'm the biggest supporter of Isaiah. Simmons mins to go to the New York giants is anyone that is out there and I know a lot of people on on on twitter and stuff that are part of giants twitter saying they want Isaiah Simmons. Well I am. I'm currently early in that camp and saying that they should get Isaiah Simmons if they don't get him then draft somebody in the mid round. You need to do both getting a young rookie and also a veteran if they want to to fix a glaring issue for this defense yeah it would have been nice to see more Ryan Conley and know whether or not he could be answered going forward forward. You know if the giants could get away with not signing say dangerously thin or calvin noise and be able to put the load on Ryan. Brian Conley to be there Mike. That would be great to know but unfortunately we don't know a whole lot about him. He had a small sample size before he got got hurt. But yeah the the giants absolutely need to add both at an experienced guy and a young guy to their linebacking core Isaiah. It would be great. I think he should be right at if not the top of the list right close to the top of the list of their draft targets. Maybe a pie in the sky. Hope that a couple teams trade in front of the giants in chase young slips down to him then I think we would all be okay with them Passing on on Isaiah Simmons or you know there are awesome mid round prospects which we will get to in in a few minutes here but it's a it's something the giants Absolutely have to address. And if you if you decide to draft Isaiah Simmons I think that would solve not only the issue of having no major town at the linebacker position but it would infinitely elevate eight that position pass just being average. He's incredibly talented. I'm not trying to make him seem like he's some never before seen talent but the fact that he can play playing multiple positions is exactly what you're looking for in an early round early first round prospect at the linebacker position. It's sonic they're drafting someone. That's just straight up. Might Mike linebacker and can't do anything else. He has the versatility to be on the field for all three downs. And you can ask them to move around in any Defensive sub package that you have out there it needs to be properly looked into and also it needs to be a thought process for Dave Gettleman to consider drafting Isaiah Simmons that four spot if if chase young has gone at that point in terms of the free agents that are available the guys that are going to be likely leaving or currently not under contract are currently going to be free agents rather marcus golden is expected to be a free agent. David Mayo Dan Buchanan Cannon devante downs now replacing those guys. There's a very attractive list like I said the ladder. These guys are a bit over the Hump Their on the older side the closest to that thirty range. That's not too crazy is Danny Trevathan from the Chicago bears and then as we do every single week we have have to bring one patriot. That's Kyle. The giants really have had a preference for players players in personnel. In general that that they're familiar with and with Bret Bielema on the defense Joe Judge as the head coach. There's definitely a strong patriots tie so we have to look at Patriots Free Agents and Kyle Kyle Van Noy is a viable valuable linebacker Linebacker free-agent he's less than thirty. He has been reasonably productive. So I think just just like with the majority in the secondary you'll be Kinda have to consider him and then you also mentioned danger Rathan. He has been very good player for a very long time. Also you're completely right there. Just aren't that many really good attractive linebackers out there because good. linebackers are hard to come by especially finally nowadays in the NFL with all of the various demands placed on the physician teams. That have good ones generally. Don't let them go. That's why you see like the contract. Jalen Smith just got over the summer. It's going to be I think rare for Oh really good impact off ball linebackers to hit the market. That's a really good point that you bring up in teams not being willing to relinquish those guys they typically bring bring them in the develop them and then they become huge impact players now if they draft someone early. That doesn't really hit well. No one really wants a linebacker. That's not playing up to his potential. Those guys bounce around you don't really hear much of one other guy though that there's a very good chance that he doesn't end up leaving is cory little in from the Los Angeles Rams he had one hundred thirty four tackles hackles last year. He's only twenty six years old very very productive very very underrated as their lead linebacker on that defense so so somebody that they could very well look into also Patrick on looser from the Ravens. A very good defense coached up by GRUMMAN WHO's one of the best defensive coordinator there's arguably in the League having a guy like that that's that's smart and productive and also on the younger side could very well fit that. That need of a more veteran veteran but also not too old linebacker that the giants could be looking for the Ravens. Do have a really good track record of drafting Ding. End Developing linebackers. Now obviously they add Lewis an art brown they kind of stumbled with but then they had. Cj Moseley end user. He has really stepped in and the fact that he came up as a undrafted. Free agent has become as good as he is as productive as he is. I think that really does speak to the work. The Ravens do in identifying vying end developing those players so if the giants could get a guy who's again that good and only twenty eighty seven years old. That is definitely something they should look into now onto discussing this year's linebacker draft class. We're GONNA continue. Continue to dive deep into Isaiah Simmons and how much I personally love him. I don't know how you feel exactly about Isaiah Simmons. I do know you like him Chris. But every year people that evaluate traff classes have somebody that they the absolutely love and right now. That Guy's Isaiah Simmons for me. I will continue to talk. came up he needs to be a name that needs to be acknowledged in this year's draft class now if they don't happen to get him because maybe the lions take him at three maybe. The giants decided trade. Read back and focus on other things albeit there are some decent quality guys on day. Two and that starts with Kenneth Murray from Oklahoma also troy die. I'm from Oregon. Who is very fast and very athletic? And then also Evan Weaver from cal who recently played at the senior bowl the guy who kind of damned stands out to me is troy part partly Elsa in large part because he caught my eye during draft prep for last year in a kind of broke the heart a little bit when he decided to return to school. He is a very athletic. I'm very active off ball L.. Linebacker keys reasonably similar in build to Isaiah Simmons. He's not quite that athletic but six for for about two twenty five to thirty. That really is the build and the type of linebacker that That we're starting to see really really be successful. You know kind of guide dairies. Leonard was for the A couple years ago a Bobbio creaky was this past year. Now we've I've seen one team come up with basically to defensive rookie of the year caliber players with a very similar type. You know very similar body type very similar game so I think that is something we really should be keying on and trying to identify other thing too. That doesn't need to be acknowledged. There are a couple of players in this year's draft that we've spoken about in pretty good detail that aren't linebackers backers but could be that versatile piece and that is Jeremy Chen from southern Illinois and Kyle Duggar from Lynn. Warn Rhine. Small school guys very very athletics SAFETIES that can move all over the field that are very quick very fast processing and can make big plays now. Duggar had the better senior bowl performance and we saw him make some really really good place during the senior bowl. He was the guy that I really enjoyed watching. He's somebody to keep an eye on the. We'll probably dive a little bit more into during the safeties and defensive back show show but he is someone worth considering because he has that versatility to be that box safety Who can cover? Who can do a number of things besides just being that that bigger box safety? Yeah in both of those guys also have enough size to play at the second level played. Closer to the line a scrimmage while having the athleticism to cover and really be all over the field play back a little bit in coverage of Ridge and then come down rush the passer play the run through be that kind of safety linebacker hybrid nothing. They will be that but they at least have the potential to be considered in that kind of a light right. That is going to be it from us today on the linebacker off season show next X. Show that we're GONNA be giving you as yet another mailbag we're getting back to it. The spite getting slightly away from during the senior bowl trying to get you all that content. Durham the senior bowl. 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NFL Draft Prospect Interviews: Isaiah Simmons, Kristian Fulton, Rodrigo Blankenship & more (Football 4/22)

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NFL Draft Prospect Interviews: Isaiah Simmons, Kristian Fulton, Rodrigo Blankenship & more (Football 4/22)

"Hey it's producer Deebo here with a bonus episode of the pick. Six podcast. Brinson is off doing the video version of pick six on. Cbs Sports HQ. And if you haven't heard the super friends will be hosting an hour long pre-game show for NFL draft coverage on HQ which you can find of course on CBS sports dot com or through the CBS sports APP on your streaming devices. It's seven PM Eastern on Thursday six eastern on Friday and then eleven am eastern. Things Kickoff on Saturday for this episode. We've been talking about draft prospects for weeks now. We get to talk to them. This episode will feature a collection of six interviews with players that will get drafted at some point on Thursday Friday or Saturday. And you just hear Brenton's voice asking the questions dropped expert Ryan Wilson and kicking expert. John Breach are also a part of this pod that features interviews with Isaiah Simmons Antoine Winfield Junior. Aj Dylan Rodriguez blankenship. Ezra Cleveland and Christian Fulton and a reminder when these guys do get drafted the pick six podcast will have immediate reaction. Pieds in the feed. We start our crop of interviews with the player that will go the highest. It's CLEMSON's defensive. Standout Isaiah Simmons. What's it been like preparing for the NFL draft in what amounts to the weirdest NFL off? Season I can ever recall much as as much as it's been different. I don't really know any better. Just because this is my first time too but It's actually been a little strange just thing that ever from the traditional years but you know just thinking going day by day do you spend time. Do you spend your free time duty. You're working outta read mock drafts. Which favorite thing to do. That's not really my dad working out playing video games. That's really bad it. What are what are you playing games? You play I play Madden. Call the duty. Those are my main one. I'm on right now. So He's trying to lose insulting to find him. What's what's your xbox. Ps Four. I was GONNA say I would play on play mad. What's what's your team. What what team do you like to play with? Oh Man I got a couple of that but I I like to play Randoms so I like to play the bills. They got a really good defense. They have a bunch of guys in there which brings me to my point that I think you're probably the most versatile guy in this draft you. Would you agree with that statement? What is what is your position because people have a debate about it If I had to have like one name for it and it can be. It can be linebacker defensive and it can be safety. It could be defensive weapon anything you want. Yeah I would say defensive weapon. That's the best way to put it. I like it just because I feel like I can with the game on every level. I agree with you completely. Like I've seen you. I actually an NC state guy. So unfortunately I've seen you play a lot but you can rush the passer. You can drop into coverage running backs and wide receivers. You can play safety you. What is it like working with a guy like working closely? With a guy like Brent Venables. Who seems like a very calm and cool guy on the sidelines? Call Cool with this kid. He's a maniac makes it whatever you do he my corrections but Honestly I'll just decided he's really. He's really like an amazing coach He's GonNa. He's the man. Profession everyone regardless. If you're walk onto five-star it doesn't matter. He expects the same things everyone and he got. Meet you where you are and helping you to where you need to be so coach. Better rose always going to be one of my all time favorites. What what what have you heard from? Nfl teams about what they would want to do with you. In from a schematic standpoint. Because I assume you're you know you're doing these zoom calls. You're at the combine. He ran four three nine. There's no question you're one of the best athletes in the class. What are you are you are you? Are you getting into schematics and position versatility? And all that with these different teams on these calls. Yeah that's a little bit. But I've heard different things from different teams on what they want me to play so Because of the team and obviously personnel that they have now and what they possibly have the teacher. What's what's been. Can you get your name the team unless you want to? But I'm just curious like maybe the example of of like what? What sort of feedback you've gotten from those teams Some seems to be like back linebacker and others my senior strong safety and then others. I mean there's also team have similar positions or what I play that country to be able to play on over. Yes but is that what you would want to do at the NFL level? Or did you have no preference already I think one of the one of the this is not my criticism but one of the criticisms would be that like if if somebody brought in played linebacker that there might be. Maybe you wouldn't hold up against the run quite as well. Do you think. That's a fair criticism or or do you believe you would quickly prove people wrong. Because I think you're very good it diagnosing the run particularly and like I like I watched Carolina. You're dragging guy you're chasing guys down for behind too. I surprised at the criticism. Have you heard any of that? Yeah I haven't really heard too much about that but if that criticism is there than I mean I would say is false and I think my film shows that the two so what. What do you have planned for the draft? Like you get a so. We had sorry. We had chased young on our video showed. He said he's going to do like a big screen projection on the side of a house. So that way family members can dry by Hawk and he plans like that. Oh no I didn't really pay anything One thing I am going to do. I'm just not have Just my and my family friends over but other than that. We're GONNA have zoom call that everybody could tune in to where they all be. There would not be there if that makes him. Yeah for sure so everybody can sort of watch the party and they'll be watching the draft at their own spot. And is it difficult to you for you to to not be able to have all your family one time to celebrate? It definitely is difficult just because I'm a very family oriented guy but Also understand the circumstances just not taste. So you know I've been in the. Woody who is who is the best clemson offensive player you played against in your time in. Death Valley against but with. But you know what was that on my from my own country a Like he like. Who's the best offensive guy you've seen played against played with but you get my point? Lawrence? He's ridiculous I I. That's actually a really hard question Got Travelers each large Sauna Watson. God Mike Williams keep going but I don't know if I had to pick one. I don't know if I pick one. That's a really hard question. I mean trevor. Lawrence to me is the best prospect to come out when he comes out since Andrew Luck. And that's no disrespect to the Shawn Watson. Is freaking ridiculous but Lawrence to me I I mean I thought you guys would take down. Lsu He just didn't he didn't have a didn't have his best game and that just happens sometimes. But I mean he. He has everything to be an elite level quarterback. Right all right. So you are working with Waco's triple-zero recognizes the streak behind good cry and the new flex your crisis add to the NFL draft. So you're you're an emotional guy. You're not afraid. Yeah tough football player but not afraid to cry too Guess we're GONNA find out Thursday. Where's the last time you cried? Last time I cried. I'm really not sure actually. So the was the first round of NFL size. Tears are shed during the draft inviting fans to virtually join in for the official. Nfl draft after party stay strong featuring shack presented by orchestra zero the party. Dj BY SHACK AKA DJ deal and fans can celebrate with some of the NFL draft including Jaffa Khuda as as silence and Trista worst shacks instagram. Live ten PM Eastern on Thursday. Twenty Third House Do Real. Is that that you're like got to be out of virtual? Dj Party was freaking Shaquille. O'neal I mean this is this is you've arrived. You know what I'm saying. That's pretty crazy Obviously he's a legend in the basketball world but Obviously a household name. So they'll be real cool to be able to live with him party though. But what's the first thing you're going to buy a few sign your contract after. I signed my contract if you like if you get first round. Nfl money what's the first thing you're going to buy? I mean if you WANNA be literal than probably about like the food or something I nevertheless or what you know the person I'll probably by I really like soon. So I'll probably my body by myself like a paste because I've always wanted what What kind of what kind of sneakers we talk we talk like Air Jordans. Are we talking? The Conde's it'll probably be like a really bad Jordan lawn. Okay like refining one. I like it you should get. You should talk to Nike and get them to make you some some Clemson and or whatever. Nfl team you signed with a custom rare Jordan ones. You're you're a professor. You're you're you're you're going to be a star. You get your shoes now. We're not all right buddy. I appreciate you taking the time excited to see the pro level. Think you're going to be a superstar when you get there. Now you're a superstar already Keep up the great working. Thanks for taking the time. Thank you all right now. We Have Antoine winfield junior safety from Minnesota who was coming off a spectacular season a really good combine and also by the way if the name to give it away. His Dad's Antoine Winfield. Who played cornerback in the NFL and Antoine? When I talk to people about you one of the first things they say is how incredibly smart you are and I wanted to ask you. How much of that is growing up An NFL household and senior dad? How much is that talking with your dad about what you WanNa do in the secondary and how much of that is just you and your experiences as a football player. Yeah because my dad You know end up and being around him you know. He played in the League for fourteen years so he has so much. Knowledge of the game so he Pretty much know the game and anything that I needed help on He was gonNA help with and He just always was useful Just have another NAS as young kid and then as a progressive You know kind of take a backseat a little bit. I mean he still helps them. Now with You know just a little fundamental things as far as foot working watching him against my opponents but you know I feel like Being a college. That's kind of how I made my name. You know Being myself going to do my own thing no absolutely in. You've done that. I want to ask more about that. You you mentioned. Your Dad took a back seat sort of once you got to college. I have a thirteen year old son and I have to do my best not to yell at him when he's doing things. I don't want to do on the sports field. So is your dad like that. Now will we send you a text after game and say hey man? You didn't do this or is he. More he understands your game well enough to know that you understand what you need to do. You know know. He understands but You know before every game me. Send me a text message up encouragement and then after the game for call and just go over the game and like how I felt like I played and things I can improve on. So He's always there for that that's great. I should take some tips for your dad about how to handle your kids when it comes to sports. It helps when you're when your son is someone who gets seven interceptions in one thousand nine season is much more than free sake. He's he's knocking people out as you get close on scrimped you a little bit in the slot. You played in the box. Obviously what is the strong point of your game when you're talking? Nfl teams and they ask you that question. Yeah I'd say my support. His mouth is too My COMPLA- pretty much anywhere on the back. End of the defense Clays lots I can play over tight end. I can play the box. I can play in the post. And that's my main versatility and also my ability to create takeaways. So let me ask you about a couple of your teammates guys who were going to get drafted certainly On defense to come all Martin linebacker and Carter Coughlin The Edge rusher. I'll ask you first about Carter and you can follow up with Kamal if you want cars undersized he's the senior bowl and he competed and he has a super high motor. But I wonder how that's going to translate what he can do. Well do you see him having that versatility perhaps some move around along that front seven or is he going to be able to? I can't imagine a put on twenty or thirty pounds. I believe us anywhere as well You know he's He's he has a athleticism to play any position. As long as you know they put them in that good role that it's that team but I feel like going to do a great job and whatever came Picks them up because he's versatile players with and he has that aspect whom on which is. Great. And then you come all play line backer. And he was a big part of your defense and this linebackers class is actually pretty deep. I think there's a chance that he can go day three maybe earlier that maybe even day to. What do you like about Kamal's game in terms of what he brought to the middle that defense his mentality and he's just like a free athletes. He's about six four as long as a great size and you know he's playing with them. He just had that mentality that he's about to go out here every promise out that you can feel his presence and just energy that he brought sort of the game every day Was THIS CRAZY. And it was great to having the same. So you mentioned Kamal. Six Four. Listen Five Nine. I think of the combine has any team have teams that okay. You're a little under size for free safety. I've said that to you and I'm sure you've probably heard that at points in your career and I'm guessing you just pointed the stats sheet. But what are you typically say when someone brings that up? Yeah you know what's Sometimes with them not to Guyana. Where every time I on the field I'm GonNa give you everything I have You know a lot of people say it's not about how big dog in the fight is how big dogs heart that he has is with the Times what he's GonNa do so I'm really look at it in any negative way. I am playing. Yeah I think your dad was five ten or five nine felony. He he seemed to manage. Okay so it's not. It's certainly not a big issue. When you play the way you played Also something else that you had to turn yourself with the administrator where the injuries and you came back this year and you're healthy and you played really well when teams ask you about that. What do you say in terms of the game? You have to miss because you were hurt here football Football's one hundred percent risk for you're going to get hurt playing football. It's only a matter of time Both my injuries were free injuries. That I couldn't control and we just have some that happened in I don't really look Down at those injuries is just on behalf to me as a player could happen to pretty much anybody. Yeah that's a great answer and I'm sure you're tired of tired of answering so hopefully this is the last time you hear one last question. I WANNA ask you. Do you have any plans for Thursday for the draft? You're going to have maybe some close friends over or do you have anything in terms of lined up in terms of what you want to do. Their your advantage is GonNa be at home in my living room with my family and I just some small flat and celebrate within. It sounds great. That's excellent and I wish you the best of luck and I'm glad you have your dad there to help you out. I'll learn a lesson from him in terms of dealing with my kids and Best Lucky Antoine and I hope to see you running around on the field sooner rather than later right. That sounds good. Thank you all right joining us now. Aj Dylan Boston. College running back. He was coming off Not only fantastic season but a great pre-draft season especially at the combine so. Aj I'll I'll start there you way to forty seven at the combine. You somehow jumped forty one inches. Which was the best of any running back and had to be one of the best parts of anyone there just off the charts and oh by the way you in a four five three so when people see your size in weight without having seen you play the first thing they probably think of as bad as you don't like their own beds you look Derrick Henry And that that's sort of a body type so can you explain Resupplies at all. What happened the combine? Or did you know that what's going to happen? How was that experience for you? So I wasn't surprised I've known I've always been an athletic You know I also can I brought on And like it wasn't a surprise to me. I just felt like I was happy to go out there and show the world. I've been hearing the big back comparison because I weigh two fifty. Oh He's a he's a guy who can only run between the tackles So it's nice to go ahead and show that I wait. I'm waiting to forty seven point. Eight percent body fat. So that's You know people who tell me lose weight. It's a muscle there. It's funny first of all. Sorry I forgot about the broad jump on me. He said somebody records. But it's funny. You mentioned that the body fat because I looked this up before we talked and drum. Addison's body fat at this combine was like thirty one percent. So you're slightly leaner and you mentioned running between the tackles and your versatility there. I just looked this up on our friends at pro football focus around the edge. You averaged about five and a half yards per carry and also in between the tackles. It was about five five and a half yards per carry. So that versatility is there and what would you say to people or more specifically what does the NFL Sadie when you spoke to them at the combine or even on these zoom calls by what they wanted to see you do in terms of improving your game once you got to the NFL Absolutely I mean I I feel like one of the big things was just the past Just more Not that they didn't think I could catch but more so. Just you know showing more opportunities. I did like a little Like catching Kinda like pro de got cancelled up Boston College. And that's what I would have done. combine Iran all the routes drawn ball. I'm so it's not a lack of ability by manages. Abc or a run heavy team. And that's where I was using. I'm GonNa do that to the best of my ability. Yeah you're not the first running back coming out of college. That has to explain to people like me that just because you caught last year. Thirteen passes but that doesn't mean you're not being focused a focus the past game. It's that college games a lot. A lot of ways different than the NFL game. You don't necessarily need your running back to come out and catch pass patterns and it's it's funny. You mentioned another comparison. You you've drawn his James Connor who ex ways a lot more than you would think. I think he's to thirty two thirty three something like and last year I was talking to Qadri Alison. I don't know if you remember from Pitt. And he drew comparisons to James Caan for being that same size and he also didn't catch a lot of passes coming out of the back of the pit James Connors pretty important weapon in the past in Pittsburgh so I understand what you're saying there. I want to ask you about your season last last year. Twenty nineteen I was actually at the Syracuse game. I wanted to come see you play. It didn't do too well. You only two hundred forty two yards and averaged seven yards of Kerry and that was after five straight games of rushing for at least one hundred nineteen yards three. Those Games back to back to back one hundred and fifty yards. That's amazing number one but number two if someone says okay should all be concerned about any durability issues. Aj Dylan here's the ball so much. What do you say to those people? That's the thing and south this from the top of the mountain tops. I'm healthy had one injury in my entire time Playing College Football Idaho left. High Ankle. Sprain missed two weeks. I played the remaining sites on season. Sophomore year I wanted to combine and went through all the Meta medical checks. I didn't have any x rays and the extra scams flexibility did all that stuff and I went and performed. Their ability is not an issue. I love it I love. That's number one and I feel like you've probably answered that question twenty or thirty five story and how how you're able to take off every single thing so okay. Let's let's go to this so the running back class. There may be someone go in the first round. It may not just because of how things fall but I feel like there's going to be a run on running backs in the second round and it's going to be have you heard anything about where teams like the things that you may go or you're not thinking about that honestly not thinking too much. Obviously I'd be lying said I haven't thought about it at all but you know it's out of my control and You know can happen in the draft. I just know I'm done everything I can Thus far to put myself in the best position possible. So I mean this way just like everybody else. Lanc- we'll call I get. Are you anxious at all? Are you you Pretty Common General I- I've been pretty calm. I feel like it's just I've been trying to like workout and do other things to keep my mind off it. I feel like if I just sit down during quarantine thinking about the draft though the days. Go by really slow now. That's a great way to think about it so in terms of How this has been a weird offseason for everyone you mentioned. Bbc's got cancelled everything sort of started. Shut down after the combine. How has it gone with with zoom calls with the teams in terms of the questions? They're asking you and do you feel comfortable on those or do you wish you would have more opportunity for these face to face interactions Yeah I mean I personally feel like the obviously the face to face. There's really nothing like being able to like. Sit across the table from somebody and really get a A live for likely but it word from them but you know everybody's been adapted I've done. Zoom calls Microsoft team facetime and the whole every type skype. Everything he can do but They've all gone well and You know it's interesting but like you said it's a weird drought process but this is my only once this is that's right. That's right so The the combine or even through the process of the zoom calls Has there been any sort of thing that stood out to. You is incredibly weird because you hear about this time the combine question ask you to maybe try to see how you react or was there any questions that struck us particularly odd or was it pretty normal for the. Mo- I mean I felt like it was pretty normal on this. Well I didn't get any agreements questions or anything like a less good so we heard from Chase Young. Yesterday he was actually on. Cbs SPORTS AS Q. And he said he's going to have ten ten or fewer people at Draft Party. You gotTA say ten. And then what he's going to do is go to project on a projector outside for family friends who can't come inside the actual show so when he when he gets draft presumably number two. He'll go out there sort of like a rockstar. What are your plans where you be? Who's going to be there? Mantra funds are different. Not The luxurious. I'll I'll be out here in Orange County California where I was training My family I didn't I didn't want to go and travel On a plane and bring potentially bring anything back to my family's face on my mom and my little sister my Stepdad Day and then I got my two friends From home they're out here and so we'll be together But you know you gotTa Roll Times. Yeah no exactly It is incredibly odd. How this thing SORTA works out. It'll be weird nephew. That's the only thing you know but to see Roger Goodell basement your name card at some point Aj thank you for the time we wish the best of luck you are the biggest learn the fast and definitely the highest jumping running back in this draft class and any team that gets you is. GonNa put you to work right away and you're going to be a gym and a lot of fun to watch thanks AJ Thank you appreciate your time. We're now joined by arguably the best kicking prospect in the two thousand twenty. Nfl draft Rodrigue. Oh blankenship of Uga Rodriguez how you doing today. Man I'm fantastic. Ob guys doing well and hope you guys are staying safe and healthy out there. Yeah definitely and staying safe it is Kinda the name of the game right now. Let me ask you this. What has quarantine been like for you? How are you handling that? How are you passing? The time court has definitely been interesting. you know this this draft processes definitely not win not been what? I expected what I hope for. But let's just Kinda the cards you're dealt sometimes You know gorging has been interesting I've got some some equipment on that. I've got here in my apartment in Athens that I can use to work on my flexibility. Where comprom- balance try to match drank with gyms and everything closed right now so I've got some women got at home than I could use to do the best. I can work out and stay in shape at home and then I go out to the the intramural fields that we've got here. Uga Couple Times a week to get a little bit kicking work in and You know try not to get chased off the field. So that's kind of what's going on. Well I'd say you're ahead of the game man because there's NFL players who don't even have weighed equipment at their place right now. So at least you have access to that and you're able to get out and kick which is probably the most important thing now before this whole quarantine start of war. We all got stuck in our apartments and our house is you did get to go to the NFL combine Can you just describe what that experience is like for a kicker and how many teams you talk to It's definitely a a blessing to be there on an incredible opportunity for me to be there as well as the other specialist. Become a specialist gets invited. You know In very select group of guys that were invited to combine so being there was an incredible opportunity for us Kind of you know. Put Count on display and yet to meet coaches and other important people that are going to make decisions about our futures So it was an incredible experience. It was great to get to you. Know interview coaches from teams across the League and then at the end of the week. You know we got to go out and have a little bit workout in Do our best to show what we can do in our skills on display. I think the follow specialists on. I think we all met with probably about Twenty five plus Of the of the teams in the League We had a an interview day. Kind of designated to us where they took all the special teams coordinators and coaches To a designated area and sat everyone down at six or seven tables on all the specialists who kind of went around Robin Meeting all coaches at every table. We'd sit down with a table of six or seven coaches for about fifteen twenty minutes and horn would boil and we'd get up and go to the next one and so we got to get down you know. Sit Down in front of pretty much. Every coach. It was air on pretty much every team league. We got him beat with that one point or another during the week. Was there any team that kind of like showed their hand and said hey look man we really need to kick her and we are really interested in? You MIGHT BE A. We're looking at in the draft that there are a few teams that definitely a position where I think they'd be willing to use a drop big and in that that's still could change the draft for another couple of days so you know some team situations may still change between now and then but definitely I think there are teams that have expressed a lot of interest starting at the combine. Going back to the table even on that have expressed a lot of interest in. I think you're GONNA be in a position to either draft pick This weekend what now with your guys's Pro Day cancelled. It's like the only way to meet with teams is doing what we're doing right now. You've got skype or zoom or facetime. Is that something you've done over the past month? And what does that interview process been like for you? There's been plenty of funny zooms plenty of face time. Plenty of skyping over the last few weeks like you said we didn't get to have a opponent got cancelled out. He was about three or four days before we were supposed to have it. That was very unfortunate We also have any of our private workouts individual workouts and for specialists. That's kind of the the bread and butter of our our. You know post Rear Brandon is getting those individual workouts Only only to hunters and to go to the senior bowl there. There's a couple of other senior bowl games out there but by and large very specialised Goto senior bowl game. And like I said there were only three kickers To combine. I think seven punters and that is a big number of hunters but that still doesn't represent the whole draft class. You know so majority of the guys coming out. This year didn't have those opportunities and so for specialists the best opportunities others in individual workouts that we have after pro day. Because that's when the special teams coaches can come in and they can kind of. Put us through the ringer and have us do all the drills that they want to put us through when they can have us try and execute all the kicks that they have in mind that they're looking for in their specialists meaning to have any of those so we missed out on a lot of quality one on one time that we will get to spend with special teams coordinators. Kind of put our skills on display as much as BS YEAR. That had approach. Yeah you did get them one time but like you said you did get the group interviews at the COM is based on the the weirdness that it's been over say the past six weeks. Have you gotten any sense of where you might get selected in this draft well Looking at the last you know looking at the ears where some of the specialists have been taken pretty much all the specialists that do get drafted get drafted between a fifth seventh round that I able to to help achieve out But you know that's kind of workers have been going on. The last year has been five That's that's where I'll be. I'll be expecting to to get taken if I'm GONNA be drafted this year. It'd be between so your dad played in college. He has that experience. What kind of influence has been on your life in your career and your kicking career? That has been huge influence on my life and my career. Probably the single biggest influence You know he was the one that got me into gigging. I came from a soccer background. Music Coaching and he was my soccer coach. I basically from the time I could walk. I had a soccer ball in front of me. And that definitely gave me a great background beginning to kicking He woman introduced me to football. End The kicking techniques to a field one day after fourth grade year over the Sun did match with field all day and set up football sticks. And just say here kick and see what happens So I kicked it and it was pretty good and so we just kind of took off from there never looked back and just kind of their heels in and got going by become a a Bredesen locate maker And so you know. He was my coach From the beginning he coached me on his own for probably about three years. Four years. We'd go to some kicking camps here in there and indeed asked the coaches if he could take notes and bring him back so I could get better installing you know. He was incredible influence from being incredible. Incredible huge factor in my life into my career. Bring meeting where I am today You know I. I wouldn't be here without. My Dad is so incredibly grateful for him for ships that we've had for everything he's done to help me reaches point He'll be able to be with you on draft night or the quarantine. Not Letting that happen. No no I'll be with them. I'M GONNA head to marry at an and spend a nice nice. Oh let me ask you about someone else who has helped. You would've been you're taking career Kevin Butler former. Uga Kicker former bears kicker. What has he been like for you. Yeah others been awesome. I was actually I was on facebook. Live with with coach Butler in the Georgia Radio crew for our virtual g day. We had On Saturday so that was that was pretty great to get to reconnect with coach. Butler and and talk to Him. A little bit Coach brothers. He's incredible. He's one of the best ever doing one of the best dogs to ever do it on you know in one of the best in the NFL as well. So He's been a great role model for me and he's also been a great resource. I'm Cook Butler was with us. In two thousand sixteen twenty seventeen And you know help me. And all of our specialists tremendously to kind of develop our game I think that he really helped me. Developmentally I think if he wants to be a successful specialists in the NFL you have to. You know you have to be a debt. Meddling you have to know how to handle tough situations In August kinda not get caught up in your own head. Coach was incredible for me to help me develop in and developmental side of my game and just become a more well rounded and more complete kicker Nightly you know he's. He's helped me as well to have. He's been another huge factor during in today. Well let me ask you one thing about coach Butler there. He spent eleven seasons with the Chicago. Bears the bears. Could maybe use a kicker right now. Has He been as he secretly hoping that you end up in Chicago or I don't know I couldn't tell you I think maybe he's hoping I ended up some over a little bit better weather from all the war stories he tells me? Chicago's got some pretty brutal weather. And he said he wouldn't wish it on his worst enemy so You know I know I would. I would love to go wherever wherever wherever I'm needed and wherever someone wants to have me You know if that be Chicago then so be it but You know I like my options open in just that keep an open mind and ready to go wherever Someone is willing to have me. Coach brought up that weather. Because you've ever kicked in a cold weather city. It's pretty moderate down there in Athens. Can you be a cold weather kickoff? You kind of secretly hoping you may end up in a warm weather city or a dome Atlanta Pau. I'll be the best agree can be Regardless of the situation you know I think that as long as I trust myself entrusted mechanics in my body and trust what I've been doing over the years Then I'm going to be able to have success regardless of where I go. You know I think it he just trusted. You know what you've been doing over the years it's been allow you to take a straight ball on kick at high ticket far then. It doesn't matter where you go. You're going to be able to have success alright so if I'm an NFL general manager. I think one of the things they look at is how a kicker rebounds from Mrs Because obviously no one's GonNa make every kick there are going to be Mrs What would you say was won miss? And you're Georgia career that you wish you could have back. And how did you kind of rebound from that mentally ill? One GIG to have back probably would have been from South Carolina this year. we We went over time with them and really having our best game. I had a chance to tie the game instead it into another over time frame and I wasn't able to connect their Let's just sit and it came in the wrong place at the wrong time I I definitely like to have that one back in Kind of do that over. Get a second chance because I know drilled it But you know that kind of thing happens Like you said you know the test. Manteaux a good kicker risky. And it'd be how you can bounce back can recover from that The next week we played against Kentucky and It was one of the most miserable games I've ever played in. It was about forty degrees in pouring rain the entire time. Just a monsoon of awful weather. Neither team's offense with really move with the ball super great I didn't really get a chance to individuals in that game because we weren't really getting fuel range and we did. Our offense just went all the way into a touchdown so I didn't get a chance to bounce back in that game in a glow on. Just you know dying to get another opportunity. So I could get back out there and prove my myself and had a volume game was when we went to Jacksonville Florida. Nine-game thing and went three for three and Hit a bunch of big kickoff bags and got SEC player in the League that we And so I think that you know just you know? I had had that opportunity to to bounce back in improved. I was able to recover that something that US as experienced to help me out government Going forward the rest of my career rebounded pretty strongly from that game. You actually hit eleven of twelve field goals you had a big game against Texas. Am One thousand nine hundred thousand. Four field goals Well let me ask you this. Kinda on the mental note here. Obviously physically train as a kicker. You mentioned the stuff that you have at your apartment. You can make yourself physically stronger more flexible. How do you improve your mental aspect and others? Nfl kicker some of them meditate. Some of them do yoga. Is there anything special you do to kind of? Keep your mental game strong. Yeah well one of the things I said. Is You know. Have a word with color can help to develop A routine in like a mental process that I can use You know after practices after Games. Just something that I can use to kind of you. Wait just maintain control of my thoughts on my emotions and everything that goes on in a game So that's one thing that that is definitely been helpful I also do some yoga love in the last probably three years. We've had yoga every single week. during the season over the summer. So that's something that definitely helps you to not only become more flexible but also kind of learn how to control your control your thoughts and control your mind Mostly worked with a sports psychologist which I think is something that every athletes should use is someone to talk to someone to just kind of you know. Get your feelings out Is Off of you. Know talking in knows what's going on with your life and going on in your head And you know so. I think that those are all things that you know. Any athlete You know if they want to get better mentally in develop their mental game. Those are all incredible resources. Except for Post Ballard. He's he's kind of his mind. Telling you know definitely yoga in work. Psychologists are things that I think any athlete can use them at work will provide beneficial effects. for for their performance on an automobile. Nice so I you about one kick. You wish you could have back. And it's only fair if I ask you. What was your most memorable kick? What was your best kick of your career for me? I thought it was your kick in the National Title Game Against Alabama unfortunately BMI ended up winning and so the kick kind of falls off the history but considering the situation was over time I think was a fifty one yarder. That was about as much as a kicker can be. What was your favorite kick of your college career? That that's definitely up there on. That occasion is definitely a highlight for me I think the fifty five yards against Oklahoma in the Rose Bowl That previous game going into halftime it. Kinda gave us some momentum going on in the half time to be able to turn things around in the second half I think that's another one It's up there for me I think game winner that I Made Against Kentucky in two thousand sixteen. They kind of a Season a little bit. We were trying to make sure we got ball eligible that season we got the win over Kentucky in Twenty. Sixteen that was that was another highlight for me the season. It was the third field goal that I kicked against Texas am They gave me the school record for most points in a career I think that was that the last one for me and it's definitely highlight You know give me the school record. So I won't say those are Are Up there for me. Nice sorry I only have a few more here One are there any current? Nfl kickers that you consider yourself a fan of or maybe you model after you watch them a lot because you like the way they do things Yeah there are there you that I am definitely a pretty big fan of a huge fan of Harrison bucker on Harrison was actually a Georgia tech on. I think we had maybe that we had at least one year of overlap. Maybe to But you know I as as all Harrison for a couple years and He's an incredible person. Just a great guy and he's doing some great things right now you know and I consider him to be one of the best guys right now so heredity also Justin Tucker with Ravens Obviously I think he's probably Guy Right now just Dot Gov. He's been doing it for a long time. And showing no signs of slowing down so against another guy that I am a huge fan of I'd also say Terry Adam Viteri. Of course you know. He's you know he's been doing it for forever In his in his none at the highest level for a you know about as long as any giger could hope to for. I think he's been around for twenty two twenty three years whatever days I might be more But out of say was is the on the number I wish nothing but the best for him at every point in his career he was one of the first kickers that I started to watch when I first got into kicking and so I'd love to see all the success in east ovaries premier fun. Nfl fact. I actually think Adam venit terry played his first. Snap before you were even born which is just crazy to think about because players don't usually lasts that long in the NFL. Now let me ask you something. Because you're not wearing the experts. You're not wearing glasses. You're not wearing anything on your face right now. But of course that's what a lot of people who watch college football. That's what they know you for. Are you going to keep wearing respects in the NFL? Or you're going to throw on some contacts and let that be a college. I'M GONNA keep working the wreck specs. I don't have glasses on on right now because I must write my regular pair of glasses. I was doing some stretching on the floor a couple of days ago and the I guess he was real excited to see the though he snagged glasses off my face and ran away with them when I finally got him back. Frames were all bent up Dinged up land is pretty good so I had to put in order for a new pair last so those are on the way in the mail right now which is why. I'm not wearing a regular glasses but I'm definitely gonNA keep wearing the experts on. They are prescription so they helped me to be able to see with the utmost Claire when I'm playing And it's just something that's kind of grown on me and I think has become a part of me now so Definitely GONNA keep Rockin. The specs going forward. Now let me ask you a quick question about Uga. You studied sports journalism there. I think what has it been like for you to kind of make these media rounds and see how the sausage is made see the other side of maybe an industry that you could be going into sometime in the future. Yeah I definitely you know. I wanted to get into sports journalism. I WanNa get into sports broadcast when my obliterated And it's it's definitely interesting. I think having unique perspective because I'm on both sides of both sides of the table you know being an athlete and being interviewed by a media over the last five years. I have that that side and then taking classes in going out and interviewing people for stories from my classes has given me the other side you know so I've been on both sides of the conversation outside the interview And I think that Bentley is GonNa help me going forward that both sides of the interview process on both sides of the equation when I WANNA get into my career So it's definitely been interesting You know being in wanting to get into journalism and I'm going to have a lot of fun when I'm ready to take that step all right last question. I would be remiss if I did not ask about it. You're a burgeoning rap star. Any plans released a new rap song once you get to the NFL or maybe you could do a yoga video since you're doing yoga till oh so the rap career. I don't know I don't know if it's got anymore legs on it. I I definitely wanted to make a song on my thought. It would be a lot of fun and it definitely was a lot of fun to make that song but it was a lot of late nights in the in the studio Getting getting with a couple other guys to make sure that it sounded just right. It definitely took some late nights And you know I. I kind of anticipation. That's what it look like going forward. If I wanted to do that and and I'm not quite ready to disqualify US those precious hours of sleep yet for another song so You know it's not GonNa Happen. Right now maybe once I retire or something And and I don't have any more football going on. I've got a little bit more free time. Maybe at with make another one then but for now the career is going to be put on. Hold that that is unforced. I was ready to download your next song man. Hey I appreciate you joining us and good luck this weekend. Thank you guys so much. Thank you for having me all right. We'RE BACK WITH EZRA CLEVELAND. The left tackle from Boise state. Who had a fantastic season open a lot of people's eyes at the combine? And Ezra right there so you busted out a four nine three the combine. You had a broad jump of one hundred eleven inches. Your three colon was great. Your vertical was thirty inches. You Got Thirty Reps on the bench press. How surprised were you? That other people were surprised to hear that as clearly could do all these things. Knowing what you've known throughout your career Boise state going into the combat. I knew that I was Kinda underrated and people didn't think I could do. You know I knew I was capable of doing now. Is One of the big goals going into the combine itself was performing the way that I know that can perform in letting people know like how athletic how strong naturally and what's funny athleticism mess. What jumps out when when you watch watch it play in. Its weekend and week out and a lot of times you were on an island against the best pass rushing the other team and very little very few times that you struggle. I think pro football focus said you gave up to hurries throughout the course of the twenty nine hundred season which is which is boxers. That's how well you play and that type of athleticism typically lead you to think that okay. This guy was probably a tight end and just moved outside. You are the tackle as well in high school. And you're an allstate defensive tackle. Do you like deepens. Why did you choose often tackle? Once you've got the Boise state so high school. I played both sides of the ball. I kinda just went. Railroads needed offense wind. Define of always been you know on one of the Lines D. Line O- line coach coach. Huff recruited me as often. Sleiman hearing when I came here I just enjoyed the coaching staff. And the people and I think that alone helped me with the transition from defense offense a line and Kinda just stigma the offensive line and getting to know everyone on the team and getting good at the position and starting at my own role. So of course. We were your former teammate of Boise state. He's going to get drafted as well was speaking very highly. If you haven't been every other day and said you were his. Ot One so you're the first guy. He's drafting off the board and there's been a lot of conversations about you perhaps even go on in the first round but we talked the NFL teams. What did they say to you about things they wanna see you do better once get to the NFL stuff like finish and get stronger and pad level and stuff like that? Football players themselves are always stronger. You know no one's perfect are always working on the craft no matter how well they are and it's funny green up. Curtis in how you say. He's I'm his. Ot wanted us. He's my Deanne one so you know going against him every day definitely got meet better and I like to think I got him better. And you know we're thing we like to say up. State aren't sharpens iron. And we were. We were definitely doing that out of practice. Let's talk and cars because I want to talk about them a little more because one of the knocks on him And you to and you know unfairly perhaps is that you're not facing the power five guys weekend and out and one of the other knocks on Curtis specifically not you because this isn't something that you just doesn't show up but people wonder if curtis isn't athletic enough to play Diene N. in the NFL. What would your response be to that as you point out? He's your easier d. e. one so you know going against him practice and everything. He has the tool belt for everything. And he's definitely athletic enough to bend the edge and stuff. I know he was his ankles. Were bothering towards the end of the season which kind of made his film is kind of like minded at the beginning of these totes. Hurting you know the film the film's match up with what they were seeing other years so when his ankles got bet his ankles are definitely better now and he's able to bend the edge and I know you sure apathetic enough to play that spot and like I said going against him was a strong practice. Made me better and I like to think I made him better. Yeah absolutely in another guided a lot from that team. Jon hightower the wide receiver. Who who was? I'm guessing the fastest person on your team. He's one of the fastest people in this draft class. What do you love about hightower who allied people just think? Is A home run threat? What else does he do to to bring to that offense? John's work on off the feels really. Well really good you know. He Practices Practice Habits and helps out a younger guys and stuff like that. He's and another good thing about him as an intense situations. He's he's laid back and calm cool collected. He doesn't freak out and you know he knows when if the ball gets thrown them. He's GonNa make the play in Do that in. Even it's like a small slain or something like that he's GonNa try to make that homerun play. You were mentioning before. So we're we're asking guys that we're talking to about what their plans are. This is a weird time with everything going on around the world. But what are your draft plans for Thursday in terms of having people over and and like a viewing party off your ten people of course but. What do you plan on doing that? Yes I hit my family Driving down from Washington my mom and my dad a defensive line coach from my high school that have been really close with since seventh grade. And they're coming down. They're coming down here and we're GONNA watch the draft in the. Nfl was kind enough to send us cameras and stuff to set up so we can have that moment captured on camera and On the TV and stuff like that. So we're just GONNA just chill out with By the cameras and kind of have a little party by ourselves. It's all all six of US keeping it in the rules of the Cronin stuff like that yet. Actually maybe better that you set your own camera so there's not some ESPN NFL camera. In your face. The whole time trying to get everything you do speaking of cameras so throughout this process the last month or so you'd have to talk to teams via zoom skype or facetime or whatever. How's that experience? Been ANYTHING WEIRD SORT of stick out as awkward given the sort of scenario the situation on no not really you know a growing up. I grew up with technology familiar and stuff like that. So all the all the calls went really well. And you know I've been asked if they had megan three point or something like that but nothing that nothing physicals all just like FBI football knowledge and stuff like that then asked me my film them. Show me they're film. Teach me some plays and having me rattler back and stuff like that so nothing out of the ordinary. So He's obviously had these meetings in person the combine all anxious or nervous or you felt pretty comfortable how you represented yourself in terms of your football knowledge and what you're able to do on. Tape Boys Day so I knew I was good knowledge wise and everything just getting that first interview done and getting the butterflies out and figuring out like One can expect and stuff in the meeting that I Unfortunately informal meeting done more comfortable and then. I had my first formal me. I remember is really nervous. Yellen to and you know I got in there and I started talking it and went by really fast. That's one thing that really happens is when you're in an interview or something like that. I think we had fifteen or twenty minutes and that time really goes by fast when you're when you're talking about football and like I said once I got done with that first formal meeting you know it was it was all. I wouldn't say breeze because you know you still have to focus and stuff like that but there's definitely a lot easier once. I got that first meeting gun and figured out what to expect. By the way if you're interviews fast as it went well if you're bombing that twenty minutes feels like two days so that's that's probably a good sign one last thing. I want to ask you so you you seem really commonly back now on Thursday. When are you going to start? Getting the butterflies are a little nervous. I'm actually not sure I just off the phone with a mile line coach of Roger Goodell. Who actually went through the same process and I just I asked and I was like so when you have to call like what were your emotions like what am i. What am I going to be feeling? And he's like yeah you know. I'll hit me at once. I started crying. You started crying and I was like me right now. I would never think of me like answering the phone and crying and stuff. I mean I definitely get excited but I don't know I'm kind of a spur of the moment type guy so we'll see what emotions hit me when when I get that phone call. I'm looking forward to it. It was so fun watching you. Play last season. Twenty nineteen and best of luck to you man. I hope you have to have a great. Nfl career appreciate it all right. We're here with Christian Fulton. Lsu cornerback one of the best quarterbacks in this trap class without a doubt Christian before we get started. I want to ask you a question about. Lsu In general we talk to Jamal Adams back at the super bowl safety for the jets Lsu allom and he was adamant he'll come surprise you that Lsu is db some conversations of course about Ohio State and even Florida's conversation especially with CJ Henderson in the mix to be drafted. I of course Jeff Buddha from Ohio state. What are your thoughts? Where do you come down on the LSU DE DEBATE ON? I mean a difference that I have it. Go you guys every year but I I guys you know we have the top safeties in the con- top corners of the you know and I said so. That's why we have that conversation. Yeah I mean you're right. You're probably going to go in the first round Derek. Stealing when he comes out he'll be first-round pick it feels like grant delpit also in that conversation and it's not like you guys played anyone you go through. Lsu schedule and every week it was someone that was incredibly tough. I wanted to ask you a little bit about that. So Texas Colin Johnson's eight feet tall How do you go about covering someone? Who's that size and runs the way he does You know how kind of you know. Take advantage away. You know that. Their size Iraq. Oh pretty much deep. I was their goal to things. So we want to take that week They want to be too physical them Just because they will be and they were trying to push through Congress and we don't want that to happen so that's how we went about it. You know that game so I saw this quote from you after the after the season last year. And you said you felt like you needed to be more physical. The line of scrimmage and I thought that was interesting because a lot of times we see. These pressman coroners in college. They get a little Hansie. At the line of scrimmage to the point where in the NFL they'll be flack for that. But that wasn't your game. You are much more patient align scrimmage and much more Willing to let the receivers a start to start the route and then you would be all over them like a blanket. So what are you hoping to improve on when you talk these? Nfl teams. What do they want to see? You do better once you get the NFL That's the thing I wanna make over that transition. They like what they saw. Me Obviously didn't make sure. The transition is Much more than you know. Such is focusing on. He had also just because they got the five nine after that. You know they've probably call that so just in our head mentally You know that They WanNa see what the versatility as on on my on my game I try to break it down to explain them Spank someone yeah. You had twenty five pass. Acid defend the last two years. I think you're you seem to be doing okay. In that regard You also mentioned Fan Jefferson was the toughest receiver. You faced you still you still feel that way. Yeah yeah he definitely WanNa talk actually. He's definitely the most underrated ones that I've seen So that's why I will send you for so I agree with you. I think they in Jefferson is underrated as well and sort of interesting. I mean we talk about how wide receiver classes including Your Guy Jefferson in that conversation but what is Van Jefferson. Do that is is it. His ability to run routes that creates such problems for Bax definitely His very college in on wages and then I was in his yes Green has because radius absolutely And he can. He can make tough catches so since Going along those same lines. You guys faced Alabama and one of the best games of the season last year. If you're a defensive back would you rather face Jerry Judy in his route Ryan ability or do you want to have to worry about Henry? Rods running a four to seven or is it someone else on that team loaded with wide receiver. Said that concerns you. I mean after like Kinda gave few to answer in them to plan Different absolutely I wouldn't WanNA PLAY OFFS. Our person kind of cut down on the running. You know Like you said Greg and Rose I'll just wants to get hands on kind of throw time and like you said he's a full two guys so you gotta forget hand on them to slow down. And at the time for this quarterback I I think devices may ease Dursey. Who He's definitely in that makes those. Yeah I thought you had a really a really strong game against against Alabama and we know how that turned out. Do you talk to grant help it for example and maybe even some guys on the other side of the ball like Lloyd Cushion Barrier Even Joe Borough just Jefferson about just going through this process as you guys get ready which is obviously a very weird time for everyone as you get ready for the draft. Yeah so just Trying to Grant and just definitely talked about it. try to give each other tips on what's going on with certain teas or you know just asking how. How do they Are On air. Everybody's INC good no You got a pretty wide range. You know so. We'll talk to allow you know just trying to see What type of people we are you know. What would they WANNA see? Do on to the next level. So you've been with job ever since he arrived from Ohio state and you saw him practice each and every day Were you at all surprised? At how things unfolded this year. Or had you seen that in practice and you sort of felt like that was the direction borough is going to end up going. Yeah definitely seen in practice. They make it like so either partly isn't game is definitely that easy game so they definitely would follow successively got so to be. They come every day with a gain mentality parties and I figured that's why they've had some success Friday while you're going to come home. Keep doing what they do to the next level. So how frustrating is it as a cornerback or safety to go against show borough and practice and have him do those things that you mentioned when you know you're in the right place where you need to be? He's still somehow managed to pull that off. You get angry or is that something you glad to see because he's on your team or what was the feeling there Definitely angry. I mean you know Oregon and you know those type of players because make plays on throws and just got a new fight to make sure that they don't Make the three That's not a fact so amused group to see it on the weekends. They'll make it happen so well. The good news is you didn't face anyone nearly that good of course of the season. Trevor Lawrence. Obviously look at quarterback. Joe Borough is. I think everyone agrees is well. Deserved that heisman trophy. So when when you go to these calls with with the teams were there any teams that your mind. That felt like they were really interesting. I in you might be a team Miller. Consider you a couple days from now in this rap starts I mean I I really got to buy from a few T on sale right now. Just thinking on snaky Jaffe Stores Sometimes. Maybe a few minutes. You Ain't talk too much. Cursing visiting talk to everybody else around him. So I'm definitely not expecting uninspected without Garnered suggested that's probably a great way to approach it and I'll ask you one final thing Christian We heard chase you. Talk about his his draft day. Get together you can have ten or fewer family members there on the inside of the now the Front Yard. I think he's GonNa projected the the draft telecasts on the side of the House. So people out there casino. Come out there and wave atom. What are your draft plans? What are you gonNA to be doing? Thursday when you're getting ready to sit down and watch this thing being done. That's my time I I just WANNA make sure everybody. Everybody's they safer And just celebrating the SAM. We'll just have the time as as Crook and moving whereas celebration World Christian. Thank you very much time. I appreciate your busy this time of year. Best of luck to you man and I hope we get to see a called on Thursday. You can't walk across the stage but we'll see on the video there. Good luck man.

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The Chris and Joe Show Mailbag: Offensive Tackles, Jack Conklin and more

Big Blue View

23:21 min | 9 months ago

The Chris and Joe Show Mailbag: Offensive Tackles, Jack Conklin and more

"I'm Songwriter Charlie. Harding and I'm use ecology made Sloan or the host of switched on Papa podcasts about the making and meaning of popular music every week Charlie and I breakdown down the most interesting hits trends artists to understand what they're doing what they're saying and why the songs are so infectious. We've recently broken down. Billy Billy eyelashes music with her brother and collaborator phidias dissecting chance the rapper with super producer Oak felder and covered everything from Dolly Parton to try to Scott. 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But it seems to be that the reoccurring best method is sending it directly to Our facebook page or to our instagram account. You can also direct message us on twitter at big blue view at Joe Di Leone and at and raptor after. Mk I anything you want to know. We will gladly answer it in terms of personnel and also for the NFL draft. First question that we we have here from Rick Albanese Apologize. I'm saying that wrong already. And it is a draft related question. Colombian chason Jason. LSU outside linebacker seems to be rising up draft boards. I think he is going to kill the combine. That's a very smart insight that you have there. What are your thoughts? And do you see a scenario where the New York giants might trade down intake chase on. Well Jason. Like you said is probably going to be a workout warrior. He is very very athletic and we tend to see these. SEC outside linebacker edge players being very very athletic in having having good performances at the combine but it is worth noting that you do need to be careful with guys like that especially as outside linebacker and an edge rusher because sometimes they might be freak athletes but that might not really translate to football skills. Some of the things that have been said about chase on is that you're not on one hundred percent. Sure what you're getting because he hasn't been entirely consistent. He's incredibly athletic. But you don't know for sure if it's all going to come together and I think that a lot of personnel decision makers in the. NFL are a bit wary when they decide to select LSU defensive players like chase on just because there have been a number of players that have fallen off in have been busts despite being really really athletic flick. I could see that though in the Middle Range I wouldn't see him getting taken any higher than fifteen yet. I could see Miglin a little bit higher just because because of what the class looks like after chase young because it really is chase young and then everybody else. The combine could put Jason Jason kind of by himself in that second tier although a wouldn't surprise me if Julian Okwara another guy gut throw throw Lewis out of Alabama. They got those guys really show out of the combine and boost their own stock as well but did appear to me as though chasing was starting waiting to put some things together at the end of last year or the end of this year rather production wise. He had a over his last five games. He had one tackle for loss against Arkansas. Then he had to tackle one and a half tackles for loss and a sack and a half against Texas am they. Then he had to tackle for a loss and a sack against Georgia which now they've we know they've got a good offensive line then he had to into against Oklahoma and even although he didn't really get on the board Clemson he had himself a good game. He was a consistent threat off the edge so it looked like maybe he was starting to put some some things together starting to really figure out how to use those tools he has because he is a long guy leaves listed at six foot five and he looks looks it and he is kind of a little bit of a leaner pass rusher. He does have that little bit more outside. linebacker build than maybe a traditional national defensive end build and he does have that ability to kind of drop back in actually playing coverage not just drop back and maybe hope to confusing offensive lineman every now and then. He's got an intriguing toolbox and if he is starting to really put things together and figure out how to use his physical tools then I could see teams may be taking a chance on him somewhere between Ken in fifteen just because pass pass rushers get drafted highly. They get at times overdrafted now as for the second part of that maybe the giants trading back while let's just assume the giants do trade back that is in there that is on the menu for them. I could see them potentially trading back to say ninth with Jacksonville and maybe getting getting the pick their perhaps maybe even trading back with this is going to be weird for a long time. Las Vegas Raiders and perhaps picking him at twelve. Maybe maybe even the colts at thirteenth. They really WANNA move up for a quarterback that that would net them some additional picks that they could use elsewhere on the line or elsewhere on their team. The other thing too that you have to consider with chase on is is He really a fit now understandably. He's athletic he's long. He's a good pass. Rusher in Patrick. Graham is going to be implementing running a multiple four three defense. So that means you're going to get a lot of different looks. Does he work though in most situations. I don't really. We think he can play as a four three defensive end so then you do have to work them as a linebacker is does he have that skill set to play as an outside side linebacker. He's very different in the case of Isaiah Simmons because Isaiah Simmons is an outside linebacker that has the versatility to rush. Rush the passer. If you need him to he he can blitz. He can play safety he can even cover guys in the slot chase on that. He is an athletic edge. Rusher who who probably won't be playing defensive end for you. Can he make that transition to pretty much. Mostly an outside linebacker. That is off. The the line of scrimmage. Maybe you could put them. On the line of scrimmage in various packages I don't fully know if that would really work out and the other thing too with these LSU players. It's it's the case with with grant delpit heck I would even say it's also the case with guys like Thaddeus Moss. They have a lot of really athletic. Talented highly recruited did players on their team but do their athletic traits fully translate to inevitable success in the NFL NFL. We don't really know that for sure. And we've previously discussed grant delpit in the safety show and one of the things we said in this works for all of them is they had up and down inconsistent times during the season. So what are you really getting when you face them up against the the more talented guys when they can't just win with their athleticism lettuces and or you actually getting a prospect that can develop into not only a starter but a defensive stud because it's one thing to get a starter in the first around you can get yourself start at any position in the first round. You WanNa try and hit on. Get somebody that's going to be above average to potentially early in the in the top fifteen at their position. That's that's being overly optimistic. But you can't really just bank on getting something that's going to start. Yes definitely and I will say if there's one position where you do want to shoot athleticism it would be the defensive edge the edge rusher because there really is a very strong correlation between athleticism success. It is very rare to have guys like Marcus golden who are able to finish their rushes and get sacks while not being athletic. It is Obviously you have. There is an art to it that knowing how to set blockers up how to use your hand had time your hands and feet but you also oh have to be an athlete. Because you're giving up a lot of size in potentially a lot of length to an offensive tackle and you have to make that up somewhere and being the better athlete is how you do it. So generally guys who are great athletes are going going to be more likely it to be successful pass rushers all things being equal now with chasing do you bet on that production. At the end of the year and Hokey. He is putting things together. And you know maybe you're going to get a deal hunter type player or do you go to the opposite end of the spectrum from Lsu in May wind up with arden key who now you bet on the athleticism they are but you wind up getting three sacks in two years our next question from Adam mm Zinzer is with this draft being so deep at offensive line. Would it be better to wait on offensive line and go either either edge rusher linebacker cornerback in the first round. So this question is asking. Would it be better to wait to take alignment in the later. Rounds alands maybe early on in the second round with that early second round pick and address some of the other issues I honestly would not be adverse to this strategy prodigy in a previous mailbag question. Allowed me to kind of touch on this already and I had said that the interesting thing about this tackle class especially right now will understand more where certain guys fit later on is that we don't know exactly. I sure who those guys are going to be in this class. It's there's no one that significantly better than the others. So there's a chance that one or two guys slip into the early second round. That happened last year. There were a couple guys that went in the second round that were starters for their teams. They weren't studs but the ended up being starters. That's exactly what you'll be looking for. So I think that if if someone does end up start to slide into the second round I would not be adverse to them doing that. There seems to be a lot more top in talent specifically typically with not other position groups. Just certain guys so Okuda is somebody that if he's available you take that chance. That's because you don't really know if it's worth spending a pick later on on a corner. Isaiah Simmons being available. You're not going to get anyone like him. That's GONNA fill his defensive role it might be better off in your best interest to take one of those guys and then see what happens in the second round because again they're very well could be plenty of options for you either to take a right tackle or a number of the centers that we've talked talked about. That are going to be in that second round range. The other thing to consider is what happens in free agency which we will be We will be touching on in a little bit but it's possible. The giants might not have that real pressing need at offensive tackle. Michael when the fourth overall pick comes around and at that point I would say just trust your board. Do your homework in the now in the months leading up to the draft and draft night. You instead of just getting cute. Trust your board. If you have a guy like Isaiah Simmons or or Jeffrey Okuda or perhaps even a wide receiver rated more highly than one of the top offensive tackles go there air instead of maybe reaching for need that might not be need and yet you Kinda have to cross your fingers in hope that maybe a top center center like Or cushenberry false to you at the top of the second round. Who knows maybe maybe one of the top tackle something happens and they fall? You never quite know how the draft board is going to shake out and teams that. Try to game. The draft board usually usually wind up losing we have two more questions to answer here on the mailbag show but before we get to them. We're GONNA take a very short commercial break. There's a new kind of credit credit card created by Apple. It's called Apple Card and it lives in your wallet APP and your Wallet. You can buy things with apple pay or laser etched titanium card it sets. That's a whole new level for privacy and security and it gives you daily cash-back with every purchase. Oh and you can apply in minutes. Just open the wallet APP on your iphone and tap the plus button to get started to learn more checkout apple dot co slash get applecart available for qualifying applicants in the United States issued by Goldman Sachs Bank. USA Salt Lake City branch. Our next question from Stacey Tree Davila probably said that wrong again terrible with pronouncing names. His question is with the O line still needing work do you. Sign Premium. Free agents or trade back for more picks Hicks and build the O.. Line that way. Well we just partially answered this one. You don't really need to trade back because in the beginning of that second round around there are still very good potential for you to get a quality talented tackle in terms of signing free agents. Yes I honestly honestly would say yes to the whole question. There's no one thing or the other Jack. CONKLIN is somebody that we've discussed and saying he's young. You pay a decent salary ellery. He's had some injury problems but still you pay him. You bring him in. He's you're right tackle. Then you can draft a guy like if he's an ends up being there in the second round or if you trade. Back in accumulates extra picks and maybe you have a pick in that fifteen to twenty range that gives the opportunity to take tyler. There's a number of different ways to go but the only way to answer. This question is in any opportunity that you have to have to take an offensive line. You need to take one because that is still the most glaring issue that has held back the New York giants over the past few years with a young rookie quarterback going into a second year in Daniel Jones Jones. We saw get hit a ton. Just draft as many offensive Lineman as possible because eventually some of the older guys like Solar Light Kevin Zeitler. They're not not going to be around for very long. So maybe you take a couple too. Many one guy doesn't play one guy sits. He continues to develop eventually he can step in and play. Yeah I I would say the answer to this question is yes. I am absolutely on board with pursuing Jack. CONKLIN assuming he hits the free agent market I think he should be a very high priority. For the giants assuming he hits the free agent market and then with the draft unless chimerical happens and chase young happens to slip yet say both Washington and Detroit slide back or trade back and somehow somehow chase young is sitting there at fourth overall at which point. I do backflips to the podium. To turn in the card unless that happens my my preferred option is trading back because just get more bite to that more bites of the apple more pieces of Pie. Whatever food based metaphor? You WanNA use news. I might be a little bit hungry and right now. But trading back maximizes the value of your pick. And then you get more more picks more players you can expect to be contributors right away to step in build the offensive line now and have a pipeline of talent for the future. Yo- maybe you do drafted guard highly. Even though you've got we'll Hernandez in Kevin Zeitler Hernandez only has has two years left on his rookie deal. Kevin Zeitler only has two years left on his deal and he becomes comfortable after this year so if age starts to catch up up to him if injuries start to pile up if you have another guard capable of starting developing into a starter. Maybe that does make it. So you can just parted ways with Kevin Zeitler. Save yourself some Cap Room and have a guy sitting right there. Maybe you do get a star a maybe you do get a center center capable of starting and that. We don't have to rely on Spencer pulley or hope. John Locke IOS Achilles is better by the time the season rolls around that he somehow also improves. So just to circle back yes signed the free agent and trade back. If if possible. Our final question from Ben Wanderer in this one is related to Jack. Conklin he is asking asking. What are your thoughts on Jack? Conklin simple enough. I'm a fan of Jack. CONKLIN and when when the giants missed out on being able to draft him because the titans took him a few picks before them. I was honestly very upset. Because he seems like a surefire player that could step in and contribute right away. He ended up being an all pro player in his rookie season. If I'm correct and he's GonNa be twenty six at the time that he is a free agent now the big thing that you need to be aware of his. He obviously has injury issues. He's missed significant time. He said some serious issues with his knee. He's had issues with with his shoulder. He's played to row three seasons rather three full seasons and then in two thousand eighteen he only played in nine games so he he might have been available for all those games performances weren't as good as you would have hoped because like any offensive lineman. They're gonNA try and play through that pain if they can we. We saw that with Zeitler and Zeitler had some performances. That weren't that great because he was trying to play through pain with his upper body in his in his shoulder so bringing him in. What is what effectively? Be to the extent of what you're getting with Kevin Zeitler. You're getting a talented. Very fundamentally sound tackle. He six six over over three hundred pounds. He's GonNa come in. You know. Lunch pail mentality hardworking guy. Not overtly outgoing but you obviously need to be aware of his injury history because you could spend a lot of money on someone offering him a five year deal and get limited time out of him. He's he's he is probably one of the highest risk risk reward players in free agency this year. Because you either get an all pro right tackle or you get a guy that doesn't even play yet. That's it it almost exactly. I think it's a risk the giants almost half to take which is something. I kind of hate saying the the phrase the can't afford Lord not to do it. That really isn't a business plan. That's a that's a plot for an I love Lucy episode but with Conklin he will probably probably be the he will probably be the best offensive lineman on the free agent market assuming he hits the free agent market he is young he is athletic. He should still be athletic. Despite the injuries he's got basically you hit the nail on the head. He's got every athletic tool physical tool. You could ask for from a starting from an offensive tackle. I remember doing scouting report back in two thousand sixteen and being honestly surprised at the combine had. How Athletic He? What turning a five second forty fraud jumping almost nine feet strong long arms? You know thirty five in charms arms or longer my legs. There is a lot to like with Conklin but those injuries are something you do have to reconcile with. Is he going to pass your medical exams. How much faith do you put him to stay healthy because he doesn't do your team any good if he's on the training table but is that a risk you have to take into circle back with me? Were discussing about taking multiple offensive tackles. I think that you do have to take that risk. Like you pointed out in bringing him in because right now you don't have many other viable options you bring back Mike remers well. How is that going to work out for you? At least need to do their due. Diligence in looking into Conklin and at least offering him a contract and seeing what he's willing to work with but if you do bring him in and you're worried about his potential injury situation that is where you decide to take a player. That is a developmental right tackle. Maybe conklin is unavailable for continuous amounts of time. You could still have someone that can step in. That is young. Maybe not as polished rush continued to develop him. If conklin is available you allow him to sit in and just get better if he is a huge developmental prospect. That's give me a from US folks thank you for tuning in to yet. Another mailbag show. We'll be coming at you next Friday yet again. The shirt rain subscribe wherever you listen to us and also false on social media on instagram and twitter big blue view and you can follow on twitter at Joe Delia. Own and at Raptor M. K.. I will become an at you on Tuesday with more content likely related to the NFL combine and then like I said ensure to send us any questions the have the future on the mailbag.

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Isaiah Simmons To Redskins?

The Kevin Sheehan Show

1:11:13 hr | 7 months ago

Isaiah Simmons To Redskins?

"You want it you need it. It's what everyone's talking about the Kevin Sheehan show. Now here's Kevin. You're listening to the sports big. Samis here by phone errands with me. In studio we are more than six feet apart as we continue to practice. Very good social distancing. We're here. We are essential I can't believe Tommy. Nobody's ever referred to you me or Erin as essential. But we're media members were broadcasters and course there's no sort of differentiation between a news broadcaster and a sports broadcaster in these times. So I you know I got a letter. Basically says if you need to show anybody that you're essential here's the letter that describes your essential nece. But you know what in all seriousness? I will in in being serious. We are considered as media people to be essential even though really what we're doing is essential to anything But I am really actually glad to be working. I don't I think I'd be going nuts if I didn't have. You know the three hour radio show and then this podcast and the conversations we have I mean just how. How many times can you sit down to watch tiger king? You've watched it didn't you you you you It was so exciting to hear that you've been watching it. 'cause we're going to get to that in a moment but I'm glad to be working. I don't know about you you know I've got I. I always say I remembered that Don King when he went to jail for eating guy to death And he spent five years in prison before he got the governor to give them apart and get him out. He always said don't do time. Let time work for you and I Have A. I've always said I would adopt that philosophy if ever had to do serious time and this is time basically what I'm doing time here In an apartment ALP Frederick so I talked her my day casually but structured. And I've got that. I got a hand on this thing. So I'm okay I mean you know I I I sleep. Wake up by two little reiten. You know I watch a little law and order you know long. I do some more writing. I do some exercising. You know that I do some reading and I I focus cigar have some dinner and watch some TV and hey all of a sudden bedtime. No so I I let yesterday it got also not a whack because You know I sent life really wanted to go for a walk. I said okay. We'll go for short walk. so What turned out to? What's supposed to be short? Walk turned out almost three mile and I wasn't really ready for that and it kind of screwed up my whole a whole day out of whack so I'm back to normal now today. Were you concerned about the walk out in the park with Nobody around and what's interesting as soon as we as we were ending the walk ranger came up to us and said we're closing the park for good today well for thirty days today. Eight o'clock tonight. So but we didn't really encounter anyone we encountered was like you know ten twelve twenty feet apart And it wasn't my day you know I mean I have my days mapped out and I'm happy with them. That's good. I'd be happy area. I was working more but I'm not. I got this thing on control. I think you may be one of those people and by the way. I'm not suggesting that I'm not. I have to think about it actually to answer the following. Are you enjoying social distancing more than you thought you know I I grew up one of two kids in a family. My sister was eight years older than me so we weren't really close. I mean she was like another mother and And so I've always kind of abused myself so to speak. You know I've always been able to say you know if there's nobody around talk to nobody around the hang out with I'm fine you know Taking care of myself now. That doesn't mean I. I don't like people I love hanging out with people. One of the things I met is going to sporting events and seeing people go into shelly back room having a cigar and a beer and hanging out with with with them. Those my friends there. I like that I get energy off of people but I'm perfectly fine on my own For so so so so different thing. It's not something that I it sounds good accurate. It's not something I would crave. I think that there are a lot of people that actually would say. You know what this is okay with me. You know I I'm not I'm not oak. No I I. It's not that I am so social that this is really thrown me off. Because that's not the case. I'm probably more antisocial than social but I'm not antisocial either And I miss being able to do things the way we did them. I mean I've also and I've told you I've got. I've got a lot of people in the house. You know I mean probably too many to be honest with you but It's it's what we're doing right now and you know my wife and I feel much better with the three boys home Then than not being home and and there's you know there's nothing to do in College Park or State College. Nothing's open in those places you know in my oldest is working from home anyway But you know it's it's confined like I found myself yesterday. Basically saying after the PODCAST was over. I'm I'm hanging out here in the in the studio because I can get more done here and by the way it's quiet Then at home but there was this video that was circulating last week and I may have talked about it and I want to play it here because of corona virus. You were going to be quarantined. But you have a choice. Do you a quarantine with your wife and child all be. You gotTa See guy too. Because it's so deadpan. Didn't even think about it in. There's Bombay I think a lot of people are in that position too. I mean God bless us in in our families and being able to be with families. But you know after a while. It's like It's it's time for this thing then but it's not gonNA end anytime soon. You know now now I mean you got a bigger much bigger challenge than I do. Well I I I honestly Tommy. I honestly don't consider it a challenge. I had a conversation with Cooley the other night. And he's telling me he's got two young kids you know five and to the those people with young kids right now. Have the biggest challenge. I mean my kids are adults basically. I mean th that's easy. They're off doing their own thing. They're working or they're watching. Tv or they're on their Yeah I don't have to entertain anybody You know have to feed everybody But I don't have to entertain anybody if your home with kids that are young and would have been in school and that is. That's a challenge. I feel for those people you know. My wife and I had an argument about kids. We don't even have any or the other day Not An argument to be I said that if we have little kids I'll cable. Bill would be five hundred dollars a month right now. Yeah right now. Oh no we rent movies all the time she said No. I wouldn't allow that. I said Oh that's talk you know now You know they five when you're having to play with them every day You you'd be reading every Disney movie that you could find. So I mean that's my contention. My cable bill would be through the roof. I think I think everybody's Experiencing that before we get to tiger king which. I finished up late last night. I was just as you were talking. I was just thinking about you. Know what everybody's going through right now and because really. This is unprecedented for our lifetimes. I mean you lived through Kennedy being shot and nine eleven. Those are the two right. The two biggest events news events impactful events of your life for me. It's nine eleven. You know this is nothing like nine eleven. Within a week they were playing sports again. People were back at work. Sure people were concerned and they were worried in it. Impacted definitely airline travel for awhile and the way we traveled. It certainly had a permanent impact but this is completely different. This is the whole world. In every single person's normal life has been turned upside down and I was thinking about what permanent changes will come out of this. You know we already have this sense right that handshakes in greetings among people. And you know that will change moving forward. I I don't know if we get back to handshakes and hugs and everything once we get a vaccine once we get treatment for this thing and we just say you know what it's going to be another hundred years before something like this happens. We're going to be fine. You know maybe it does. But don't you think there will be permanent things that come at us the the lifestyle changes or not absolutely? I tell you what I think. No matter why You'll see a lot more mass all the time. He for wearing masks for years to come like they do in Asia You know as as a way of life that then you do now not not not the majority. But you'll see more of that. You'll see more people wearing masks even when this thing is over on an everyday basis when they go out. Yeah you're probably right because it does happen in Asia a lot more and by the way I haven't put a mask on once I don't own a mask. There aren't any to be had right now and you know base unless. I'm wrong about this Erin. This suggestion still is if you don't have symptoms. You shouldn't be wearing a mask correct. I don't know the CDC's is about to come out with guidelines. Says everybody swear mask when they go out okay? So we're we're GONNA get masks. We're GONNA ninety five masks. Well not not those. I mean you have You gotTa have a seamstress in your family who can make them. That would be a problem in our family. But yeah I mean I mean basically the MAC which I have one not not a typical one not at the tech one. You've got the faked that goes with it right. That's part of what you guys like. Yeah and I wore out yesterday because I mean you can't deny does not. It gives you some sense of protection for particular when it comes to droplets better that are out there in the air so the CDC is about to issue forty two a new guideline that says they should be worn all the time when you go out. I've heard and read now that a lot of you know. Er doctors doctors in general. Just say if you just stop touching your face you're way ahead of the ballgame that we touch our face so many times during the course of the day and you know even if people are practicing the handwashing and that it's it's about you know touching your face big deal so I am definitely concentrating on not touching my face But back to just the permanent changes like just things like that may have been already well on their way to being part of sort of things that were normal. I mean more and more people were working from home and teleworking and all of that that that that was a change that it's been in you know may get accelerated but we've been seeing that more and more over the last ten fifteen years anyway. I WANNA point out that the trump administration was trying to cut it back. I know that SIP. It sailed the You know distal. Obviously you know learning. You know large gatherings in campuses in high schools. I mean we may end up with more distance. Learning which you know we're GONNA end up potentially with more telemedicine you know a lot of that Hell I mean some people believe we're GONNA end up with a lot more religion. Even there aren't large gatherings at this. Get people back to you. Know Faith But you know I don't know. Part of me thinks six months from now the vaccine the treatments are in place. And we're right back to where we were. I think large garage for sporting events initially are going to be impacted by I think. Let's just say six months from now we're in the middle of NFL season right. You know. It's September October and their treatments. That are working in. There is a vaccine. That's about to come out. And people are less concerned about this corona virus in and and getting seriously ill. I still think that live sporting events are gonna be massively impacted early on I mean why would you take the risk of going to a you know a ninety thousand seat stadium when the Games on? Tv Well I mean okay. Let's say they start up at NFL football And and this is a downturn. You know from the downside. It's still a very contagious disease. What happens if one player has positive and an accident down the league again again. If you've got the treatments in place then it's just. Isn't it very much considered even though it super contagious? So are you know I mean would you? I don't know I don't think so. Not If you had treatments to to tend to the sick you know if you've got medication that ensures that you can't get seriously ill then it's a whole different ballgame isn't it. I don't think there's any there is no medication. I'm saying that if there is. I'm just saying that if we get to that point in there is if there isn't any more in the same position where now yeah I mean I think I think it's going to be a problem holding sports events for the next until you get a vaccine? Which is at the best early next year? So are you. Cancel the tournament before anybody else dinner. You cancelling the NFL season. I'm not willing. I mean again I had it sense. That smart people knew that this was going to be worse than than most people but now everybody is again so. I. I'm not GonNa make that leap that point if you asked me for an educated guess. I think there's a I think I don't think we'll see life on the events this year the year. Yeah I mean I. I hope you're wrong. Obviously wrong but I I wouldn't. I wouldn't bet that you're wrong I I think it's a it's like what we've said all along we. Just we don't know The problem of course is just the potential head fake with a seasonal Lessening of the spread and the big concern that come fall and winter. It's coming back again. And hopefully at that point we do have treatments that work and we you know we're getting closer to making the vaccine widely available. The treatments are crucial. Because you know if you've got drugs that can actually take a seriously ill person who's in at major risk And turning their situation around with with with you know meds that's huge. We don't have that right now. I know that people have talked up. Including the president you know the hydrochloric wine You know combined with the antibiotic but and I know that Dr Phil. She talks all the time about another sixty seventy drugs. That are being. You know trial right now Hopefully they can come up with. Yeah you'VE GOT CORONA VIRUS. We gotta put you on the Z pack in the hydrochloric kind for Five days you'll great at the end of five days. Hopefully it's something like that. I share helps me too. I mean 'cause that's that's what they do flow for the most part yeah. I know people from the flu. I tell you what I bet you get a flu shot after I think next year. I'll get a flu shot. Definitely yeah I think I think you at a lot of other people. I I will definitely get the vaccine for the corona virus. When it comes out I mean. What was the last time you had? No this. Was it. Polio what was the last vaccine that the whole world was waiting breathlessly for it to be developed and and a widely available to people. Was it polio polio? The scare for polio happened before I was born right before I was born From what I gather I mean you know people were. It was something that that people were frightened with. You know when they went to sleep at night that their kids would wake up and not be able to move their legs. Which was you know? One or two big symptoms of of of polio and It had thrown the country into a crisis so everyone waited for what turned out to be Jonas Salk. Actually there were two vaccines. One was a vaccine. One was oil Okay at one and I think it didn't even need another guy he other which one did Jonas Salkin invent? I don't remember which one was which but I remember getting the vaccine is cool and then also getting what amounted to a super team. I remember the sugar cube when I was at elementary school and I was super young. I remember the sugar cube. Yeah so But yeah you gotta go back to polio to the kind of fright. I think that has spread through this country because if you think the person that comes up with the vaccine will become as famous as Jonas Salk. Well I think the person that comes up with a vaccine will be donald trump. Yeah I'll tell you what he will certainly take credit for it Anyway so you watch tiger king yes I did when did you? When did you finish it? I finished that Sunday night okay. We watched it sat. We started watching this Saturday. We finish Sunday night. I finished it last night. I watched the first five episodes over the weekend. I watched episodes six and seven last night. Aaron and I talked about the first five You know he didn't spoil it for me. I'm but we'll talk about it. Start to finish. I'll let you have at at first. But let me just give you my headline from the final two episodes. I found the final two episodes to be Really uneventful for the most part in disappointing. I thought it would. They were very slow. Compared to the first five episodes. I could not wait to watch Tommy after watching the first five. I couldn't wait to get to the last two last night which I finally got to and I was largely sort of disappointed. I thought they were very slow. But with that said overall tiger king for me gets at least you know at least in a minus no worse than that. It was crazy but go ahead. It was it was the kind of thing where I said to myself. God I wish this is a story I would have written. That's measure for me when I look at something else that's done. It said while this this story was out there waiting to be done. You know if we're paying attention and what a great story it turned out to be and I like the endings the last two episodes. Because that's when that's when at least A semi reality. Some truth came into play like what actually happens. Cities People You know when when this thing comes to a conclusion so I like the I like knowing you know what what the end result was going to be for Jill exotic and Carol and Uh Rick and kill the guy who had the hair of women doc doc and and And so I like. I like fat in the sense that You got an I. It was the conclusion of the story. Now the story is still going on. That's part of it. Is that this like we don't know I mean. Do we know Erin has jeff flow been indicted on anything at this point. Not that I know of okay. What wh- What we do know that. Carroll's second husband poor done who is still missing as far as I know And there was no sort of. And maybe they'll never have a a definitive conclusion to that even though everybody's convinced after watching that that she very likely was involved and maybe fed him to one of the Tigers I jeff was. Jeff was a bad dude man he was. He definitely participated in the plot to kill Carol and set Joe Up. I mean it Joe was td. I asked Aaron yesterday. Who Your number one seed? Wacko on the show US And I guess we both sort of ended up landing on Joe. I I don't get Joe neces- so you didn't right you thought it was I thought it might be Jeffer- even Carol I. Carol was a little more of a Wacko than Joe yet. Not as not as outlandishly Wacko I mean Rick Kirkum the the the the the reality show director. I loved his character. I mean we say characters. This was this was not fiction. The story like he was really an interesting dude. Obviously Joe is interesting. Dr Ansell we really got very little of documental in the final few episodes we we saw in the fine print at the end of the show. That he's he's zoo was rated but was it shut down. Was He shut down? I don't believe so now down. And he has come out and said the reason it was rated was for a couple of things unrelated to anything that came up in the so You know everyone's looking for cover now. At this point there was a story. I read Quoting everybody like Carol You know he was adamant about the House. He was MIS portrayed. He was portrayed poorly in this show and her evidence that she didn't kill her husband is Al Meek Greider on on the on the properties a lot smaller than the meat grinder these shows on TV. That was her evidence that she didn't kill her that during the show. Yeah so So I mean look I think I think though with the craziest character I don't think it's even close as anyone anyone. He ran for president and governor. He ran for President Governor. And and put Al on them as campaign promote your jet. I was not. Jeff was not happy about the Hispanics of the condoms How about by the whole thing is just a group of incredibly entertaining wildly you know. W. T. Wackos all of who whom do unseemly stuff. The only normal person and I said this Aaron yesterday was the campaign manager who worked at Walmart and sold ammunition in the gun depart but in that last episode when Jeff's wife is about to pop out a child and I says once once once that child's born she's GonNa Start working out. It's going to get into the gym and meantime the he says yes to the nanny but he gets to pick the nanny outs and and he picks out like this hottest. You know twenty five year old. I mean what a scumbag his wife's pregnant and he's picking out the hottest nanny and telling her once she has the baby is GonNa have to work down. This guy is so super low rent in by the way Joe's got him figured out he's a total con artist and by the way not a very good one but consider the crowd that he was conning. You know wasn't too tough. There's a lot of guys like jeff out there. I've I've written about guys like Jeff out there I wrote about a guy A big expose I did on a mob related guy named Tony Limo back in the ninety who was basically a con artist. Who BASICALLY CON everybody everywhere? He went And and live like death like with a Las Vegas. You know mansion that was you know says something. He rented get created the illusion of with influence and money. It's amazing how how many people out there are able to do that. And how many people fall for it because let's face it like. Wc fields said. You can't see it an honest man right. So this guy's Tony Limo He basically almost convinced. Beat the chairman of the cell the airlines and he had nothing he met with this guy. He's convinced fee not Lorenza son to give him money for a movie that never existed He took he robbed the Guy. Out in western Maryland. Who owned a small airline call Cumberland Airlines to basically You know give him the airlines. That he was going to buy it and he didn't have any money. Rob The guy of his airline's everywhere he went. This is what he either when he was a prisoner. He's at a Supreme Court case a historic Supreme Court case because he convinced that inmate in prison to confess to a crime and it became basically a landmark case in a supreme court. This guy everything he did was a con. It was his name and he was so good at it. You know like that and he lives like this guy ripped it. You didn't have any money but he lives like he did. Yes so he convince people and this Guy Tony Llama once. He was in prison in Baltimore and I had written about them a lot and he called me from President threatens seriously. Oh my God you tell me about that. So he called me from prison which which Khan was in prison for You know He's I think this was the Cumberland Airlines Con I'm not sure there were so many of them. and He basically calls me. I'm at the Baltimore Sun Newsroom Collect call from Baltimore City jail So I take the call and He tells me how difficult I'm making his life. Because get this issue. He was supposed to be protective custody. Because I forgot to mention out of all this. He was a federal informant so he was in the witness protection program while he was conning everybody so he was protected by the government with a lot of these concepts so they couldn't protect him anymore so He's in jail and they want to put him in protective custody because he was a federal witness for a lot of things for. He doesn't wanted to that because he wants to send pop so he can get something on somebody. So he can negotiate his way out you know. He wants to pick up some intelligence and convince some poor slob in there but basically give them some crime that he did so he can ride them out you know. So he's he calls he says look. I'm in. I'm in central population. You're writing these stories. You're making my life difficult if I get out of here. I'm GonNa make your life more than difficult. He says seventy and you know I said to myself. You're in prison buddy going anywhere. Oh come on you you had. You had to be when you got that. Call a little bit concerned. He's imprisoned but it doesn't mean that he can't have it doesn't mean that he can't have somebody outside prison. Come take care of you. I knew everything about the guy at that point. I knew he was more talk than anything. I knew The mob guys up in New York thought he was a joke So I knew he was more talk. I was saying it was talked. He never did anything. Anybody in terms of fiscal thing. That would that we know. He was never accused tobacco or anything like that. So I mean I I wanted that worried about it and I knew what his motivation was. He was just worried with the stories in the paper that somebody inside people inside would be wary of talking to them so and nothing ever happened. After that funny federal he was a federal federal witness that probably required protection yet. He wanted to be in the general population. Where you could get wacked. No not wh where. He could get wacked but he also get information. You're saying yeah 'cause 'cause you know he was fairly it that said he thought he could talk way out of anything. Here's the story getting ill. I just found your story on the inter- Internet from June twenty-fourth Nineteen ninety-one. Tom Lavera the Baltimore Sun. This is awesome. The headline the headline is Oh God. I've got an AD blocking the headline. Sorry something a I've got A. I've got a Heinz ketchup AD blocking and there's no X. to close the ad out it's driving me crazy. The Baltimore Sun's a pay site so you might not be able to get on. Oh I wrote here I can read. Let me read this story. The first paragraph the day in court for Anthony Savonarola was his name. That's his real name of the former organized. Crime Enforcer an FBI informant accused of swindling western Maryland. Commuter airline has come and gone with no trial no reason for postponement and no new date. The prosecutor isn't saying why the case scheduled for June tenth was postponed. I don't know said Ethan Bauman Assistant. Us Attorney his bosses and saying why was postponed But you've got in here as I scroll down. This is the Guy Right. Yes that's the guy. Now that's one of the story that followed I wrote this big expose about one hundred inches long A couple of months before you know detailing everything he had done That's the story that were Michael Frenz Frenzy. See a young powerful member of the Colombo family. Who An interesting story in itself because my plans easy was the son of a real nasty mob. Boss named subway fancies but went to jail. But Michael Franchisees is one of the few boxes that actually left the mob and basically has gone on to be a normal life and it's a real religious guy now and he's been interviewed on. I know exactly who he is. I just pulled them picture. I've seen many times. Probably a lot of sports shows about basketball fixing acceptable. I WANNA say Tommy. That he may have been part of that thing with Henry Hill in the in the Boston College thing and my right about that or not. Yeah I think he was But he used to be a mob boss And he wanted a few guys. That won't always walked away from it and had a semi normal life and lived to tell about it. Yeah I've definitely seen this guy. I'm but your story. Your story breaks down. Hold on here. Let me just His I love this stuff. the Mister Sarah Volare Tony. Limo Aka Tony Limo Right. That was his nickname. You don't write that okay. The federal indictment in Baltimore involving Cumberland Airlines charges that Mr Cerebral Tony. Limo thirty six years old under his alias. Anthony Steel so he. He had another aliases. Well purchased Cumberland Airlines in February. Nineteen Ninety from the owner. Alfred Nicholson using fraudulent financial documents. He wired Mr Nicholson financial documents. Showing that the shareholder's equity in coastal Maine was worth more than forty three million dollars in the company's total assets were fifty six million Mister several promised to pay fifty thousand dollars to shareholders in Cumberland Airlines along with two hundred and fifty thousand shares of coastal main stock. Mr Nicholson said. He was told that the stock was worth about four dollars a share at the time but ultimately and I'll just fast forward to it. His basically coastal Maine didn't even exist and was worth nothing. So he he. He basically bought an airline with stock and a promise to pay shareholders in stock and cash from a company. That really didn't in exists. The the indictment says the coastal main stock was totally worthless And then he depleted most of Cumberland Airlines assets by traveling around the country at the company's expense the play the planes were later repossessed by Mercantile Bank. That's pretty hysterical. You a whole store. Sometimes you make story. How Am this ad? Can't I find the little x? Here to to give you the headline it's not. I don't know this Aaron. Stay away from me. We're not getting close to the air. Wants to come over and help and I don't want him anywhere near me. God knows where he's been All right well. That was a good story. That was a good story. I don't know how we got to it. From Tiger King but overall tiger king was certainly worth you know this corona virus shutdown quarantine. Hunkering down situation you know. Basically you know seven episodes forty minutes an episode. So you know we're talking about whatever you know somewhere in the neighborhood six our commitment. Your time Ain't worth much these days so it's worth your time exactly okay and so what? I'm look I'm usually not the Kinda guy that likes to watch the show that everyone is watching. I like to be the guy in front of that parade. Not One of the last guys on that parade and and So normally I wouldn't watch this show. I Tiger King. 'cause I late to it and everybody's saying you watch it and that's usually a turn off for me. Jimmy an example. Well I've never seen titanic. Well that's just ridiculous. I have never seen titanic because by the time I was interested everybody at seen it and I said I'm not going to see everybody seat. It you know you can't get a real sense of how good it is because everybody says it's it's it's good and nothing sack good. So so I've I've never seen Tadic that gives you an idea of how so But I I mean tiger. You've missed lung because you've you've missed a lot then over the course of your lifetime because let me clue in something you usually. Aren't I to the party on a lot of things I would I at a party on the Sopranos? The wire actually you know the one. I have several sort of programming major whiff. Sir Mrs at this point. The wire being the biggest. And you've been you know convincing me to widener trying to convince me to watch a wire for years and it's not that I haven't wanted to watch it and I know that you've got a cameo in the wire and I tell every single one of my friends over many years that will say you haven't watched the wire and they'll be like no and I and I'll always say dino who's in the wire no who I'm like Tommy's in it who Tommy Vero Lavar Zenit easy makes a cameo and so they go back and look for it but Yeah I have not watched the wire you did you definitely the one you and Scott probably definitely got me on breaking bad and I was late to it but I absolutely You know needed to watch it to me. That's to me. Game of thrones and breaking bad or one to in some particular order and I love the Sopranos and by the way. I've got one of my sons watching the Sopranos Right now after me. You know telling him he's got to watch it he he's never watched before he loves it But those would be the show's for me but I my sense is if I ever sat down and watched the wire that the wire would be right there too. Yeah I think you know you just mentioned another example. Game of thrones. I give a urine idiot. I've ever wanted you're totally did. I don't have a costume. Yeah you can help you and Scott the two of you and my friend Ted. Who Texted me after listening to say this yesterday because it is? It's very like what I like. I said to those that looked at tiger king and said I don't WanNa Watch that show. It's like no no no. Just forget the animals in the the you know the the crazy Wacko hillbillies rednecks in the show. I trust me on this. You're GONNA love it. And that's the thing about game of thrones like it's not fantasy it's a character show and you and Scott right forever said about watching a show with dragons and white walkers gonNA play dress up. Well that's not the show and if you ever just took our took everybody's advice and watched it you would come back as Scott would and say man. You know what I really I was wrong. You you guys were one hundred percent right. You would say that are you. Are you and your kids find dungeons and dragons yet? No we're not Tommy and that's not the that's not the comparable it's not right away. Yeah I you're an Ozark guy right so I I you know clout now. I've only watched the first episode of the season. One of heat in three okay. Well I haven't gotten to season three. I watched season one literally days after it came out and I told everybody to watch Ozark that it was the best new and then we had to wait nearly a year and a half for season. Two and I've watched like half of season two so I'm GONNA go back and watch it. I loved ozark season. One and I'll I'll catch up with that. I know it's great. Yeah it is. It's absolutely absolutely fabulous. I am in the middle watching better call Saul which comes down and watch the rest of that too. Yeah it's pretty good. God Man Look at all the shows I mean on Ozark though based on your You Know Your Philosophy. Everybody keeps saying how great ozark season three is. Maybe I'm just not going to watch it then. Even though I'm I was on ozark season one before a lot of my friends and convince them I at. It's a self defeating a lot stupid. I yeah it really is. You're depriving yourself based on what it's stupid. So Jimmy Favor Get Liz in one of the next you know thirty days and carve out two and a half hours or three hours or however long it is. It's a long movie and watch. Titanic you'll like it. You'll really like it all right. Were my pillow back. That Guy Buddy. Well I'm not gonNA say anything because who knows. Maybe my pillow will be a future advertiser on the show but I actually tried my pillow at one point and Anyway who it was. It didn't solve the problem that I was looking forward to solve. I'll just say it that way But maybe I didn't try enough pillows. Maybe I tried the wrong one pillow instead of my no. I did try a my pillow dot com pillow. That's what I'm saying. I actually was convinced by somebody because I was having migraines. And they're like you could be the pillow and so I was convinced to and this was the pillow that was suggested from my pillow dot com. And I got it and it really didn't solve the issue at all but I could have just you know ordered the wrong pillow But man you know He I I don't I don't know that. He surprised a lot of people with his discussion yesterday with the president. A lot of people said that this certainly thought that that sort of what he what he was like that was. I just I just belched by the way you miss that Tommy used to Tommy used to you on show one in for one in particular and you would not. You wouldn't admit it you were so weak it's like it's you BURP. Who Cares? You know I know that. Sound Bite on my well. Yeah mark turned it into a dropped. Remember Yeah Yeah Yeah absolutely yet did and you think you you hear everything everything any any little knee little brackets any little murmur. You hear everything you've called me on it right on the air you call you instead. It's the go you said. Did you spell. I said yes I I think we have it. I said did you just was that a BURP. Did you just burp on the air? And you turn turn beat read and you started laughing and you turn off your mic and pull the way. And I'm like he did in stern went back and played at the. I mean. Look the truth is you know and I say this with all love intended. There were a lot of noises coming you over to our period. Every day we can come up with many more sound drops There were many many days where I just sorta smiled and just kept going where I could call if I called out every odd noise coming out from your side of the studio We would have never gotten in any real content all right So since we last had a show I think did we do. Tommy was on Friday. Did we do all the Trent Williams stuff from? Jfk JFK interview on Friday. I think we did right. We did yeah. Okay so and I've come around the your way of thinking a little bit more in the sense that Trent Williams eighth is an idiot. He's yeah this has been bad representation. Yes he ethan. Idiot I mean really bad representation before we get to some redskins related stuff. I I was going to mention this. You know when sport like they're two things that I was thinking about in terms of. We never know like sports fans. You would say we never know about anything. I disagree with that. I think sometimes fans have you know decent perspective on things and like you know my clock management stuff. Even players have said to me cooler in particular. Do these coaches don't know how to do it. A lot of the people that just play video games no more than they do but anyway that to the side. I was reading something that somebody sent to me on twitter. It came from a Minnesota Vikings beat reporter for Fan sided which is sort of like a bleacher report thing Aaron Right. And he's the Vikings apparently had some interest in Trent Williams. Now they to clear more cap space to make it happen. But they're apparently interested in Trenton. And by the way as an aside Trent Williams more than anybody on those teams with kirk cousins was kirk cousins. Biggest fan he was the one that consistently went public with support for Kirk cousins. When the you know especially in two thousand seventeen when there was discussion of whether or not he would be back in. Trent Williams said we have to have him back? He's our guy. He's a leader. He's our franchise quarterback and so anyway. There's been some discussion about Minnesota potentially being interested in Trent Williams. So this guy's writing about all of the trade possibilities and trade scenario number one is a first rounder. A Fifth Rounder. Minnesota's first round pick which is their first their first of two first round picks number twenty two overall and their fifth round pick for Trent Williams and then trade scenario number two is Anthony Harris. They're very good franchise tagged star safety straight up for Trent Williams and then the third possibility is Riley reiff their starting left tackle and a second round pick and then the fourth one is a second. Ah Fourth and a future fourth and I started to think I'm like you know this is a guy that covers the team you know. And he's in a different market and they're thinking about Trent Williams and what kind of offer. What kind of compensation would be required for Trent Williams? And he's giving you a I in a v a star player you know eight to two seconds into fourths And I'm like this guy. Is he been paying attention? Like nobody's even offered Trent Williams a second yet And I personally would wait for for the second rounder. I wouldn't move him for anything less and it just made me think about one of the things that we sports fans always get wrong in. That is trade compensation how many conversations we have is sports fans where were like well you you know if you traded him you'd easily get a I in a second or you'd get. We have no idea because past. You know precedent setting trades Never really are comparable for whatever reason like every single situation has a unique context and a unique group of people that are doing the evaluating. We never get this right sports fans when it comes to trade value. I think Trent Williams should have brought back a first last year and I said no worse than a combination of his second and third and I think they would have gotten that but right now the redskins say they want a second and this guy in another market with the teen. That's interested is. It isn't even hearing that he's saying automatically. His opinion is well. Maybe we got to give up a I in a fifth. I mean any one of the deals he presented the redskins would take and run with right now and I just think it's one of those things that we never really get right. Sports fans there are a couple of things. I don't think we get right consistently. That's one of them in the other one has to do with Trent Williams position in particular. We never as normal regular hardcore football. Fans Get in evaluate offensive lineman correctly. We have no idea what we're looking at. This is why it's so difficult for offense and I needed to get into all the fame. Because there's no easy way for the average. Joe Even if they're sportswriter quantify The success Compost it up an offensive attack or an offensive guard You know the best you can do is I mean. And because only part of their game house of what the game on their team when they when they were there. But that's only part of the game. It doesn't even take pass protection. This is why typical for a guy like the Kobe. You know to wind up caught in the swiftest over two years whereas other guys offense players with Gaudy statistics or even offensive players with sacks and tackles. You know capacity by this. It's not just a problem for fans. It's a problem for writers values leading an offensive lineman soup. Yeah it's There are a lot of offensive lineman. I just pulled it out. There are a lot of offensive lineman in the hall of fame You know but but your your your larger point about evaluating them you know writers don't know fans don't know it's it's why. I mean obviously the easiest players to to evaluate or the players that end up at the ball in their hands. You know and the leather don't are much harder to evaluate. It's it's often. I believe that a lot of when it comes to football these advanced statistics in advanced evaluations. From you know pro. Football Focus in football. Outsiders are really you know incredibly limited. Because they don't know in football what a specific players responsibility is on a specific play. You know there are lots of times where I remember you know doing the show with cooly. Kuli knew exactly what you know. Trent Williams is responsibilities. Were on given place so he was able to accurately you know sort of evaluate his performance on the play but pro. Football Focus didn't know that. And so if he may if if he turned loose in inside rusher that sacked. The quarterback pro. Football Focus may say well. That's Trent Williams his fault. When in fact his responsibility was to pick up the outside linebacker. Something that you know when it comes to the technical Playing at a position. You know footwork handwork. You know we don't know any of that. Most of us don't let you've really coach the sport or played the sport. I think the same goes actually for defensive backs I think very often we as fans look at corners or safeties in pass coverage coverage and we automatically think when a receiver catches a pass in the general area of the guy that it was his fault. You know and we really don't know what the coverage was. We don't know where he was supposed to be. We don't know that they weren't in zone where he was turning the guy over to somebody else because he was in a certain coverage he was in quarters. And you know he's supposed to say that's exactly what he was supposed to do. Even the weeds fans go. Oh my God I mean you kidding me Quinton Dunbar. Just got beat like a drum or Josh Norman. And sometimes it's not even their fault like the coach would say what are you talking about? He did exactly what he was supposed to do. You know But I think that the you know. The evaluation of those positions in particular are always very difficult. And I think we as fans really miss more often on trade compensation for players in terms of what we think they're worth and what the ultimately you know ends up happening. I it because there's so much to it right there's contract there's Y- cap space. There is the team's evaluation of the player. It's the teams evaluation to the player in their scheme. You know all of that gets factored into it and and usually it's something we don't have any clue about. I still as it relates to Trent Williams. Don't feel any differently than I did yesterday or the day before. I'm not giving him away. There's no way on hell. I'm giving them away for anything less than a second rounder and really top half of the second round second rounder. This guy that writes for the Vikings. I'd take any one of the four deals he presented and I think the red skins would too but again I I for one thing i. I don't know the Guy Vikings from Adam but he may not have even be wanting to eat. Maybe one of these reporters basically is So from but that's on line three who doesn't talk to anybody in the organization not one person Because you're right the redskins with trump at any of those traits It offers if they were me so I don't think they're they're real listed and I don't think you know they come from any kind of credible knowledge. Now there you go. This is what I've always been telling you about what you have been describing is the difference between information and knowledge. You have pro. Football Focus has information what they don't have knowledge. The knowledge of what of a player's responsibility is on a particular play? That's the that's the hard part for fans so let's what this is what. I always argue about pitching decisions in a game that when when a man doesn't take pitcher out or breaks in a certain reliever what you don't have the knowledge of conversations that manager had with everybody that was going into the bullpen that night. And what what? They said they could set what they told the manager they'd be capable of doing and what the manager sit there? Wolf. That's knowledge and it frustrates fans. Because they all want to beat a manager manager and all they have is stabbed more information than they've ever had before which they feel empowered to make declaration but what you described is knowledge. Pool has the knowledge. We don't have that Yeah no doubt you know but back to the trade conversation knowledge and information. I think we would all say that JOE thighs. Men has more knowledge than any of US right. Well in conversation with Joe you know last summer on radio I remember US getting into Trent Williams. Joe I'd trade him and he was not in favor of trading him at the time and he's like well you're not gonNA get anything for him like what are you talking about. And he said well. What do you think you would get for him? And I said I think you could get worse. Cases second and a third. Maybe a first team gets desperate. And he's like you're insane. There's no way they would get anywhere near that. You're talking about a mid round. Pick it best now. I don't know if joe was right or I was right because I think if they did train them and if they put them on the market back then I think they would have gotten something closer to what I was suggesting Joe ultimately might be right. You know as we've waited and they didn't make the right move at the time and now you know. He's got one year left on his deal and he wants all this money and he's you know sat out an entire year and the you know all of that may be true but you know. I think it's it's The trade value thing is really the thing that even the people with knowledge. You know. Get WRONG A lot. I just think it's all look at. What De'andre Hopkins went for? Imagine you know Aaron before the Andre Hopkins Got Traded to Arizona. What people fought De'andre Hopkins was worth by the way people with knowledge and people without knowledge would have never suggested that you could get the Andre Hopkins for For what Arizona paid for him. I mean now part of that. Is that Bill Bill. Brian might be a complete and utter idiot. In terms of of of the trades that he's made me really has made some horrible trades but Hopkins and a fourth round pick to Arizona for David Johnson. And a second round pick. I mean. Come on like there. Such a disconnect between what most people would think and what it ended up being so anyway I don't know That we need to go much further on that I. I just thought that if if if the Minnesota guy had a voice in this we would take all those deals and run with them right now based on what we know. Maplewood stunned about the trade talks that do take place in all sports before general managers. How a guy like Mike Rizzo? We'll get calls on trays for Stephen. Strasburg sure And and and they listen they take them all. You know I mean it. You'd be amazed. People fans would be stunned at the the the amount of the trade conversations that casually take place between general managers and all sports because it never hurts to ask exactly all right so the last thing. I wanted to get to unless you have Other things Is something that I played on the show yesterday from Jason Lockenfora And then I had Clinton portis on the show on the radio show today and he actually repeated what he told me on the podcast. A few weeks back about Isaiah Simmons. I I'm GonNa play for you Tommy and for everybody else again. That didn't hear yesterday. This was Jason Lockenfora from CBS sports. Dot Com. We both like Jason. We both think he's a good reporter. He covered the skins for years at the post And this is what he said about the Redskins and number two overall. I'd say that's a distinct possibility will mostly be tied to the value in trade for that pick and if they're able to auction it off for anything close to say what the Redskins gave up to move up and take. Rg Three Second overall what about seven or eight years ago? That's what it's GonNa come down to is. Do they feel like there is enough opportunities to throw three four five dark at premium positions on that draft board the next couple of years that would allow them to hasten their their rebuild? I know they don't really want to call it that. But but that's what's going on there. And that's what Ron Rivera is looking at the big picture. And saying you know what this kid might be. A generational pass rusher. But we got Montesquieu Ricky Carrigan for another year and they've drafted so many high picks on on front seven players before I got here that would if we could trade down three four five spots. They'll get a blue chip player with generational type upside and have the ability to now. Walk Away with three three additional ones or two additional ones in two additional twos and maybe three that's what it comes down to if they stay too. I think they take the player but I could send you to hear that. They are increasingly open to trading out whether that means somebody trading up for two and all likelihood it would And how far back would they go if they do drop back a few spots? I believe strongly they would target Isaiah Simmons and that's another player who I'm told is super high on their board and they feel like he's such a rotational chess piece. You could put all over the place. They're very intrigued by that possibility if they weren't move down all right so the big part of that is the last part. Which is Jason Lockenfora saying? I continue to hear that. The redskins are increasingly open to trading out meeting trading down if they do trade back a few spots you know. I believe strongly they would target. Isaiah Simmons So that was Jason Lockenfora. Yesterday this was Clinton Portis this morning on my radio show and Clinton said the same thing on the podcast. A few weeks ago But I asked him about what the Redskin should do at number two this in this is what he said. I would take him. But you know I just feel like chase. Yang is is a you know a get to the quarterback guy or maybe of games you something run game. That's amazing You can get to the quarterback which is excellent. So you know he can get to the quarterback. I will send us to get to the quarterback he covering the tightening is disrupted doesn't mind then lumbers so I know what he like. I know he's physically like he's a he's a special He's a beast when it comes to contact to plan in space and he can still get to the quarterback and be disruptive so I think the of playmaker Which is one of the few playmakers in drag. That was Clinton With me on the team nine earlier this morning Clinton said and he said the same thing in the podcast a few weeks back. He thinks Isaiah Simmons is the next Lawrence Taylor and I said okay so if the redskins are there number two you know you wouldn't take young. He said No. I take Zeh Simmons. He's the only person by the way I've heard. Say That Simmons better than young and he would take Simmons at number two. The Jason Lockenfora stuff is Is really the the question right if you assume? The redskins aren't interested in into a tongue of aloha. All right that. They're not interested in a quarterback there then and they are open to trading back then the other the other player that they'd WanNa get if they trade back would be Isaiah. Simmons if you believe Jason Lockenfora. The problem is trading back may basically eliminate the possibility of getting either simmons or chase young because Aaron the first spot really they trade back to more likely than not would be Miami at five Miami coming up to get to it number two and then you had the lions and the giants who would more likely the not young and Simmons could be the corner. Jeff Okuda from Ohio state which would lead the Redskins with either Simmons or young at number five more likely Simmons. But you're taking risk if those are the two players that you've sort of got neck and neck to trade back to get one of them that would be my take. There's a lot of possibilities. I mean Hell Detroit could say we have to get to and we're going to trade with the redskins and move up one spot so no one else can trade into that spot. I also had somebody. basically Private message me yesterday. Matt who essentially said. Why do we just assume that people would be trading up for two like if Chase Young? Is this great? You know All Time Pass rushing talent. Why wouldn't we assume that the giants are the lions or the dolphins or the chargers might not might WANNA trade up for number two? Take Chase young which you know. Actually I don't think we really have considered that. A Lot. Chase young is more likely than not going to be the highest rated player on most people's boards. You know I mean that would be my guess right now but I think it's the trade back thing is too risky too risky. I think it is unless you can unless you can guarantee you're going to get that guy that you want I I. I don't treat back and again I mean just think I I and point in that they've invested so much in their front at least their front four I is that And their front seven if you yeah. I mean totally That you know You don't necessarily have to see the same thing with your number two pick if you can get more picks out of it but I'm with you I. If if you can't feel really strong about getting the other guy that you want you got to stick with it and take young. I think right now. We're less than a month away from the draft. I would actually be very surprised if the redskins don't take chase young number two overall. You know I'm watching all the mocks. I mean what else you know we. We got a lot of time to to read a lot in and look a lot like CBS. Sports put out their updated. Mock this morning. Erin with this Guy Tom for Nellie it out or his mock anyway. He's got the redskins taking two at number two in his hypothetical reads as follows. The redskins quietly tried to trade haskins before making this pick but found no takers. They take to a anyway so haskins on the block and his likely to go at some point during the draft. Just like Rosen. Did last year. I do not seem to see them taking to a Here's what Todd mcshay had in his version. Whatever is version three point zero? I don't even know at this point. He has the Redskins taking young and he writes. I expect Washington Washington to at least listen to some trade offers but at the end of the day it'd be really tough for the Redskins to pass on the most talented player in the draft class and one of the best pass rushing prospects. I've ever seen young posted a nation leading sixteen and a half sacks and miss two games The two games were the Maryland game. And the rutgers game those two games if he had played against Maryland and rutgers probably would have had another eight sacks in total. But that's what I would do. Of course they should be listening. And we're GONNA plenty of time to talk about this as we get closer. They should listen to every offer. They got an rg three kind of offer from Miami. Meaning Miami gave him number five number. Eighteen number twenty six. You know so. They ended up with three first rounders and they got a second rounder and a future. First Rounder if it ended up being something like that. Well Yeah you would. You would consider that you would but not if chase young so far and away the number one player on your board and you think he's GonNa be you know the next combination Nick. Bosa von Miller Khalil. Mack for the next ten years you know I mean an earlier. Mock draft mcshea said that chase. Young's better than Nick Boza. If that's the case I don't even know why you would even think about this. I agree I agree. I mean if he can change the outcome of the game for you. I mean that you don't have you don't have guy I mean. That's the guy. That's that's the. That's the defensive player that that you know can change your franchise. The Guy who can change the outcome of the game from all accounts. This is a guy who can do that and like I said whatever on wrong it for now for now all right what else. What else do we have today? I don't even know what else we're talking about today. You got anything. I got nothing else. This is part of your plan for the day. Right this part of your routine for Tuesdays and Thursdays okay. I'm GONNA say is a little bit different because now I'm GonNa go sit and right com for to watch any time you go do that. I'm going to. I don't know what I'm GONNA do the rest of the day. I kinda Aaron. What are you doing the rest of the day? Actually I do know what I'm going to do. I gotTA pay bills. I've let mail stack up over the last two two and a half weeks by the way you think if I pay bills late that anybody's GonNa care during this. I think a lot of people are being forgiving. Don't you I I think I I think they are? I think they should. What's your policy on touching now? You know what that's exactly. Why just sort of let it pile up because I've been piling it up and every time? Well that's a good idea. Every time pile up and I go I go wash my hands and then if the virus can only sort of live on surfaces for up to three days then I'm the old male should be good to go now. That's that's just let it sit for an incubation period as like disappears and then and then I open. It just went all of this to disappear. I I'm I'm ready. I'm ready to get back to our real lives here Thanks by the way to everybody to Tommy. Aaron feel the same way Because I've had a lot of people reach out. I know they've reached out to youtube because they reach out to a simultaneously to say. This is so great that you guys are still doing the podcast. It's actually really great for us. And it's and it's really great that you're listening to it And we appreciate it. The the numbers of definitely gone up. You know since this whole thing started And we're going to keep doing it for as long as we can do it You know right now were essential considered essential time. He doesn't have to leave his house. And basically I only have to go a couple of miles to get to where I'm going But thank you and thanks to all of you. That are going through. All of this and specially those of you if you're listening and you're in the healthcare industry and you're a doctor you're in a hospital. Those are the people that are on the front lines of this thing. And it's really incredible the sacrifice in the risk that these people are taking All right let's Let's get our masks and will reconvene on Thursday Everybody Great Healthy Safety back tomorrow.

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It's The Start Of A Special Week For NFL Fans

Boomer & Gio

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It's The Start Of A Special Week For NFL Fans

"Good Morning boomer how are you? I'm Great Gio as we go through our Beta test for. Cbs Sports Network does well. This is going to be very interesting because I can see you as well as you could see me on our Dell computer laptops as we get ready this Get this test through to make sure that tomorrow or Wednesday when we do actually get back on the air we're gonNA look okay Are knows your background is much better than what I thought it was going to be. Good job on your part. You gotTa tree in there. You got to paintings or posters on the wall. Can't really see what the the I guess. They're back pages of us. That's right and I will move the camera. I'm getting text messages from the Great Stephen Waldron who I love very much. So and he's not great at decorating nor am I really but he is very good at knowing technical things about how to put this telecast on it. I'M GONNA have to move up my camera a little bit when I get an opportunity to do so in the breaking you'll be able to get a better look at it so you've got the Johan Santana back page of the The no hitter. And then you got me fighting with Mike. Francesa the back page of the Post that says fan duel there so when I moved the camera a little closer you get a better look at those two things. So that's what I have hanging on the wall and also a fake plant in Eddie. You're not looking at it so you don't know if it's not so you don't you don't even see any. I'm sure if you had a background. The Carl Sagan a labrador and a bottle of wine and that would suck so no. It's okay whenever it's fine. It's it's the best I can do quite in this room that is completely barren where I kind of hide and do the program because there's no other place to do it so then I taught us a tape measure to hang those. Just make sure that they were on the same plane and no whoever hung them seemed like they did a good job. It looks good. I mean again. It's it's a little little spartan I mean it's a you look like you're sitting right in between them so it's almost like you. Yourself are a field goal. Yeah Ryan Aid. Ri- figured the symmetry was was important to this whole thing. So that's what I sat and I had the equidistant pictures and then I'm right in the middle and then I a little offset it with this fake plant to my left so I did not measure it. I didn't go that crazy. Just SORTA eyeballed it because I figured it was temporary anyway. Let's hope it's temporary? Hope we go back to the studio at some point. Because me decorating studios not a forte not a forte at all and and I do understand that you look good there. You got some drapery as you mentioned in your barn photo in some some furniture there and all the good stuff that you told us you were going to have. So it homely where you are very nice homely homely or a very homely homely all right appreciate that so I was thinking last night as we get the draft week what my draft week was like and how nervous I was. I couldn't sleep any of these nights leading up to the draft and it's it's a change of life. It's a life dream. It's it's just everything that you could've ever hoped for an athlete now. Unfortunately I didn't go as high as I thought I was going to go. I didn't go until the thirty eighth pick remember. They're only twenty eight teams back when I was drafted in eighty four. So I was the tenth overall. Pick in the second round so and to. My teammates got drafted before me in the first round. Forget the university around. We had a press conference set up and everything was very nice of my teammates to wait for me before we got to the To the press conference and unfortunately the press conference was dominated was with. Why do you think you fell? Why do you think you fell? Think you fell and I did have a chip on my shoulder. You're talking about Tom. Brady having a chip on his shoulder having to wait until the sixth round. Well some of us even had chip chips on their shoulders. Bigger the net and only waiting until the second round. Yeah and it just goes to show you even though you have guys that are at the top of the draft that everybody thinks you know our can't miss guys you know you're still dealing with human beings and you know the interesting thing. I saw Peter King put out something this morning from NBC sports. He was saying that one of the interesting things about the job. Borough to the bengals draft pick come Thursday. Night is the fact. That Josh Rosen. The quarterback for the Miami Dolphins is still younger than Joe. Borough Yeah Right. Yeah I mean in Josh Rosen. Has already been through hell and back in the NFL being drafted by the Arizona cardinals then moving on from him. Drafting Kyle Murray going down to Miami. Getting an opportunity to play doesn't work out Ryan. Fitzpatrick is there and now. They're going to draft another quarterback. I mean what he's career is going to be. Just a mystery to me. But as far as quarterbacks falling in this drag which is an interesting thought we know Joe Boroughs Not GonNa Fall. We understand that two of my fault he may. There may be a chance that the two ends up falling now. Justin Herbert will he fall? We'll get past Miami. Miami passes on either two or Justin herber. But if you predict one of these quarterbacks to have his Aaron Rodgers moment where everybody's staring at him in the Green Room I guess it would probably be too will because of the injuries but I mean that's very very hard to predict right now. Well the good. The good news for two is that there's not going to be a green room but although I would imagine. Espn and NFL network will be cutting to him as if he is dropping. I I don't know but listen. Dan Marino dropped. Aaron Rodgers. Dropped a Lotta guys have dropped in the history of the draft and if two drops it wouldn't surprise me. I hope he doesn't I think he's a terrific Kennedy trick. Terrific football player. I think he's all about football. That's the thing that I love most about him that in his accuracy. I just I hope. All the injuries are behind him. I hope wherever he goes he goes to a stable situation much. Like Patrick Mahomes did one the Kansas City chiefs trade up to get him and when I think about you know Patrick Mahomes and how. He sat behind Alex Smith for year. Got The play. The one game at the end of the year where it didn't matter played well against the Denver Broncos it was obvious to everybody in that organization that he was the guy that was going to take over the next year and he certainly did. He hasn't had a bad game sense. As a matter of fact maybe the worst game he played where the first three quarters against that San Francisco Defense in last year Super Bowl but has not had a bad game ever in the NFL which is amazing. I don't know if that's going to be the case with any of these kids but I do know one thing about Tunga buy low and that is that he is a terrific terrific young man. He's a high character guy. He loves playing football. He's extremely accurate. The question and I hate when when they the word brittle especially when it comes to a football player and a quarterback I just hope all of that Brittleness if you will is passed him and he gets off to a great start to his young career. Yeah I mean if brittle is a word that I know you don't like you brought it up his second. Mike Lombardi said it but at the same time what word would you like to use your phrase? Would you like to us from a guy that we've seen have multiple high ankle sprain surgeries and then a massive hip surgery that we haven't seen him play after? I mean that's the reality. So maybe you don't WanNA use the word brittle injury-prone someone who misses time. There's gotta be something in addition to all the good things that we talk about to Ohi character. Accuracy leader champion. All these things that he has earned. There's gotta be some words that talk about his injuries that maybe are a little more respectful brittle and injury prone. But there's gotta be something because that's a huge part of his story right now. Well I don't mind the injury prone part. I mean you know. That's something that many players have to deal with. The Brittle part is what I don't like I think when you use the word Brittle I it just to me. It's a little bit too severe The the one thing that I that I do know about this young man is that like I said earlier. He is a guy who just loves playing football. And you know I can also make a case that the fact that he had those two high ankle sprain surgeries nobody ever has those surgeries he had those surgeries because he wanted to get back on the field or he would have been out. He wouldn't have been able to play at not had those surgery so I actually a lot of credit for trying to do something to keep get himself back on the field quicker than most. Pires would've ever returned from that kind of injury so there is something to be said about the sacrifice that he makes going through the Going through the surgery and then getting back on the field and playing well under those circumstances on top of all of that so I yeah okay he's injury prone but I'll he's GonNa make every sacrifice that he possibly can to get back on the field. Yeah one of the things I found really interesting right at the start of the weekend. Where a couple of tweets back to back Daniel Jeremiah. Had the first one where. He said that he doesn't believe there's going to be that group. Think that you get in the NFL draft every year when guys general managers and scouts and coaches right these days and then one guy likes a certain player and then that scout jumps on that because Oh man well if he likes them and I should like them and then all of a sudden you know these guys shoot up draft board. You're not going to have that. Which is going to lead to some unpredictability but then also Ian Rappaport said that a couple of general managers had reached out to him and said that the mock drafts. This year are so far off from what they believe. The draft will look like so. Maybe they don't know either. But this is going to be something where buckle up because what you think is going to happen. Probably won't happen in the first round. So what does that really mean? It's easy to say. Obviously we know where the draft is going to start off. What could that mean? That chase? Young isn't taken by the redskins. Could that mean that? The Miami Dolphins. Maybe they are going to take a quarterback at the very top does that mean that the rankings of the tackles in the wide receivers are off. Like I wanNA know exactly what we're going to be looking at that. This unpredictability is being predicted. This type of level what is that really. GonNa look like well for me. I can't wait to see where Isaiah Simmons goes because he is like the athlete of athletes in this in this draft. Now everybody says chasing. He can't this guy for the Washington redskins and everybody knows that it's a fair completely that the bengals are going to take Joe Borough after that. That's where it gets interesting in the drafts probably starts with the number three overall pick for the DETROIT LIONS. Everybody you know obviously knows that they got rid of Darius slay so they do need a corner and that would be Jeff Okuda out of Ohio State. But are they going to take him at number? Three is is this kid. Isaiah Simmons the linebacker slash safety out of clumps into great of an athlete to pass up. What the giants do of Simmons's there and the tackle that they want is there to me. I I always think and obviously as a former quarterback in playing with the greatest left tackle in the history of the NFL. And Anthony Munoz. I know the profound effect that he had on everybody else. When you have a top and tackle and I'm not saying any of these tackles are going to be Anthony Munoz but I think that there are four guys that everybody believes can't miss for Mekki Becton to all the way to jake wills and of course The kid out of Georgia and then tristen worth. I don't know you want a guy that is going to solidify your offensive line. I saw the effect that Anthony had on the other four players that we had at those positions. Not that those players were weren't good in their own right. They were but they became a unit because we had the eraser at left tackle and he could just take care of everybody and we never had to worry about his guy and we could always ask him to do one on one. We never had a slide to him. We never had overcompensate for him and we allow the other four guys to really play uniquely together. And I think that's the power of a top end tackle. And if you WANNA HOG MAMA YOU WANNA Guy. That's going to be big. You want guy that's going to be there for ten to twelve years because most offensive lineman most top-end offensive lineman do receive a second contract in the NFL. Okay that's the one position whether it be senator guard or tackle that usually stays with their team and gets a second contract. And that's why. I think it's a can't miss that if you take one of these tackles for the giants you gotTa believe that. He's going to be the guy that's going to be sitting there for the next ten to twelve years to to protect your quarterback and also solidify your offensive line and even if you are a little bit less somewhere else along that offensive line as long as you got that guy that you can build around and that will be there. And we'll be stable and stabilize your offense and I don't see how you pass a guy like that. I think the only way that the giants don't do exactly what you're saying is if somehow chase young foals to dam the redskins either trade out of there or going a different direction that surprises people. Maybe they soured on them chase young sitting at four then the giants. I think would end up taking chase young. If he is not at that point. I think it comes down to if they love. Isaiah Simmons or other going to take the best tackle on the board which I believe. We'll still be there at four but that seems to be the way that this draft is going to trend but I mean it's just harder to predict this year I mean I. I think I happen to think that the redskins will probably still end up with chase young. You know what the Lions do is going to change. You know how the giants of course with the pick ahead of them were GONNA handle their but in each scenario that I keep playing over and over in my head. You're the giants end up with the best offensive Lineman at least or the first one picked the best one in their eyes and that is going to make giants fans thrilled. Because I mean maybe they'll be some people that want some giant fans Isaiah. Simmons is there to take Isaiah Simmons especially with the struggles at the defense had last year. But I mean how many complaints if we heard the last couple years about the line and fixing the offense of line and Blah Blah Blah and I would have been great if the offensive line was better so there can't be a giant fan out there in the world? That's going to have a problem with the giants. Taking the best tackle on the board at pick four overall in the drop it with the offensive lung. I know you know you can out sorry about that. But the offensive line will be better because Daniel Jones will be better in Daniel Jones is not going to be a statue in the pocket so he will get himself out of trouble. He's just gotTa work on the fumbling problems and once he works on those things which I'm sure he's probably doing this off season he's going to be fine and the guys that are playing in front of him will appreciate his his understanding of where he now is in this team. He has the unquestioned leader of the team. It's his team. Allies no longer in the building so the offensive line should be better because he'll be better and he'll be more decisive and he won't put himself in as much trouble as he did his rookie season. The only thing I will say is that I- giant fans on my life and I always tell you about. This are really really passionate about their team and I would say my guys are fifty fifty on the tackle or Isaiah Simmons. Now they're they're not even thinking that chase young is going to be there so he's not even been part of this discussion. They want they still long for the days of Carl Banks and Lawrence Taylor and Harry. Carson want those linebackers. That are terrorizing opposing running backs and quarterbacks and I don't know if this kid is that all I know is that when you do watch his tape and I suggest that you go back and watch it one more time. He is amazing he is sudden. His arms are really long and he. He very rarely misses a tackle and when he does. Let's not only does he blitz. I mean he will dive over people to get to the quarterback. So there's a lot of stuff on that film that you look at you say. Wow this kid is about sudden as there is on defense and you can see it because of the positions that he played at Clinton had them all over the place as opposed to a left tackle. Who's always there or right tackle for that matter us. Watch them over and over and over again and you can see that. They can do whatever they need to do. Whether it be passed walking or whether it needs to be run blocking but Isaiah Simmons jumps off the tape. There is no question about that as far as the type of guy he is the cut. I gotta be kid. I have no idea and one of the things that came out this weekend. I don't know if you saw two things. Actually one there seems to be validity that now the browns definitely have had conversations trading oh bj so Kudos to mark Melissa's if in fact a moose was the first to report that last week I'm seventy so I'm still so confused. No because all right so you also had Adam Schefter tweet out that there were no conversations going on so what the bleacher report over the weekend basically came out again and said that there had been discussions. I don't know if it was with the Minnesota Vikings are not and also the NFL network was reporting that there were discussions with multiple teams. So some Moose may be right at his because he works. That'd be great but hopefully it improve here and then the other thing that I don't know if you saw it over the weekend Leonard Fournette of the Jacksonville Jaguars who did tweet out. That he wanted Cam Newton to come play down Jacksonville now. All of a sudden he's on the trading block and one scout in one of the stories basically said that Leonard Fournette is a pain in the ass. Well so good luck with that so it looks like the The Jaguars have two significant players that they made move here before Thursday. And if that's the case if you WANNA running back or edge rusher in Gakugei then have at it because those do players seem to be on the trading block right now from the Jaguars all right. It's Boren Gio just getting started on this Monday morning on the fan and CBS sports network.

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FROM THE SB NATION NFL SHOW: The Palpably Unfair Podcast analyzes SF-AZ

Niners Nation

07:42 min | Last month

FROM THE SB NATION NFL SHOW: The Palpably Unfair Podcast analyzes SF-AZ

"Sports betting dime DOT COM provides the coverage fans need to bet with confidence every time find the best odds, track key trends and make smarter bets on all your favorite sports check it out at sports betting dime DOT com. The following segment is from the palpably unfair podcast on the ESPN. NFL Show we're discussing your favorite team subscribe to the SP nation. NFL. Show to make sure you don't miss conversations like this. Let's go to the the last topic here we're going to go to something near and dear to Kyle's heart we're going to talk about the San Francisco Forty niners and the Arizona cardinals the forty niners defense against the cardinals offense specifically, which is something that we talked. About, on the podcast number one, I said that this is an intriguing match-up from me because the improvements that we saw from the cardinals from year to year one historically great from year to year from the cardinals cuyler Murray, very good quarterback and he proved it on Sunday. So when when you saw the way that the cardinals attacked the the forty niners, how did you see that unfold? Why were the cardinals successful in European? So deandre Hopkins is very good football. Art with that and the forty niners for whatever reason did not make life difficult for Hopkins at all they did not really press him at the line of scrimmage. It seemed like they came into the game assuming that Hopkins would lineup on the opposite side of Richard Sherman and they would be content with that that did not happen. Clippings rated a very good job of just moving hopkins around the formation because the forty niners their way of saying that was for Sherman who usually lines up on the left side to sometimes play the field and he did that quite a bit. But that wasn't enough like the cardinals figure that out within three plays. And able to adjust. So they had the nickel corner on happens they were able to use motion short splits just get him open and where he was able to Kinda sit down and zones cuyler had I mean it helps when you have a quarterback that can make all the throws specifically some throws at most quarterbacks cannot make he had a he threw a fifteen yard out route from the far Hash. That is just like, wow, man that you just can't do much about that. But those are the type of plays that the cardinals were creating in the forty niners defense is constructed where they have to get pressure upfront that did not happen there. Was Nick Bosa and pretty much nobody else. They have a lot invested in their defensive line between air arm said seventy five, million dollar contract deformed eighty-five million dollars contract and they put up donuts man and that's his can't happen. So our did very good job and he does run into pressure, but he also escapes a lot of pressure I mean we just saw what it looks like when a four three athlete is playing quarterback with a rocket arm he's he's a very good player. So I'm going to leverage your expertise some news that drop today since we actually get a chance to react to something before the other shows shows do there's News that Deebo Samuel is probably more in trouble with his foot than expected, there's been a setback and there's also been assigning. Do you WanNa updating give your take on what's going down with that? Yes. So Samuel was supposed to come back week one. Now that's what we've saying he was his goal was to return week one he had a setback last week and that's why he went on the I. R. The forty niners are gonNA travel. So there was no real reason for Samuel to remain on the active roster so they can open up a roster spot so to replace him and the expectation for Samuel to return return week four against the So, that'll be fun on Monday night game I believe but they signed muhammed new and we're going see what he can do because the offense without Samuel and they did not. They just didn't look like they can do much more. We talked about Garoppolo and garages looked like a player that really didn't know where to go the football. He did not look like a player that was on the pocket at all and he just missed receive rafter receiver. It was maddening to the point where there was consecutive. Plays where receivers are jumping up and down waving their arms and he's nope. nope. Just you know spending in the pocket, which is beautiful like he says, he's giving people so much material to make fun of him and it's it's all justified because he's not playing well, and yes, it was one game but it was also against the cardinals and the cardinal do not have a good pass defense. So we're GONNA see what Hamas new can bring. Yes. He's played with Kyle Shanahan he is supposed to be. A big slot receiver I don't know if that's the type of receiver that they need right now he's a veteran, he knows it but I mean I don't I, don't know what he can do that somebody else on the on the roster cannot do I'm GonNa hit you with another impromptu question because I saw a rookie really struggle in that game from the cardinals despite them getting a win the first round rookie for the Cardinals Isaiah Simmons is there anybody in the League better at picking at linebackers? And them show their butts than Kyle Shannon, and because it was a rough day for Simmons from what I saw. I felt bad for him man as as soon as he took the field like he was barbecue chicken, there is nothing that he could do. so He's this big crazy athlete and that's why he got draft. That's why he got drafted so high but if you like really watched him and you could tell it, he's not guy that's going to succeed in man coverage and the cardinals what do. They do they put him in Maine covered. So I like one of the initial plays was most running little. Texas row where he is in the Backfield is GonNa run at an angle act like he's going one direction gonna cut to the inside. Simmons over pursued like he did plenty of times I remember this play against North Carolina specifically where he did that but he did it again and he's toast you're not gonNA catch most I don't care who you are and then he did it a couple. Of other times where he ended up playing eighteen snaps and he got benched like they didn't put him back into the game and that's really what turned the game around for the cardinals because nine having a lot of success underneath on these quakes landslides quick throws the running backs and tight ends, and then Simmons leaves they running man covers they revert to more of a soft zone and the forty niners really didn't have an answer yet. You get this rambunctious wet behind the ears rookie in there that thinks. He can cover coming out of college and gotTa Shanahan told the expose them give them something to go watch and say watch that film young man and we'll see if you improve the next time around it was tough leading up to the game they're calling him the kittles stopper. Yeah. They might have to lower those expectations a little bit I. Think Simmons is going to be fine but man, that's a tough draw like we talked about trump draws with Andrew Thomas get like you know but depre- TJ. Wipe the first game like that's tough. Any linebacker going up against CAL Shanahan and trust me I know I'm fearing it for like Gary in Philadelphia when they come to town any linebacker going up against cal, Shanahan has gone to have his hands full and it's a it's a shame that that's your first game as a rookie the letter get in your head. Isaiah, you'll be fine. All right. Make sure you don't miss our next conversation by subscribing to the SBA nation NFL show wherever you get your podcasts. This week show is brought to you by sports betting dime dot com your source for the latest odds betting trends, matchup analysis, and advice sports betting DOT COM provides the coverage fans need to bear with confidence every time follow along for breaking news and explore tools that make it easy to find the biggest money makers and best odds their future trackers cover every major league and more. 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The Chris and Joe Show: Projecting the Giants Second Round Pick

Big Blue View

25:09 min | 7 months ago

The Chris and Joe Show: Projecting the Giants Second Round Pick

"Podcast listeners. We are amazing avenue. The espy nation New York mets site. I'm Chris McShane and every week Brian Salvator and I discussed the current state of the mets Automated Avenue audio the show. We try to look at the mets from a somewhat logical point of view and not get too deep into panic city. We also answer your emails give weekly music recommendations and try not to get too frustrated with the team. You can find the show on Apple podcasts on stitcher on spotify wherever you get your podcasts. And let's go. Mets Womack to the Kristen. Joe Show presentative. Isp nation and big move you. I'm Jodie Leone joined by Chris bomb and we are giving you more. Nfl draft content as we're getting very very close to the very first pick of the twenty twenty NFL draft. We'll get to see commissioner goodell in his home in his basement announcing the picks the very odd setting. But it's not gonNA change the excitement that we will be getting from what happens during the NFL draft. Today's episode. We're GONNA be talking about guys that could slide into the early second round range where the giants will be picking with their second round pick as well as various scenarios for the giants depending on who they take with the fourth overall pick. How Things Affect Them. They take certain guys. What does that mean that they'll be looking at early on in the second and how things can really shape out so Chris. In terms of guys that can slide into this early second round. There's a ton of really talented first-round graded players that could slip a little bit. Because there's these late risers that are shooting up draft boards. That might not really have that first round town or first round grade but because of necessity or just even the slightest thing of of good interviews. Those guys can surpass others and very good players can be found at this point in time so Chris I think that one of the bigger groups that seems might be sliding is the is the linebacker group. Now probably won't be that many of them but someone like Patrick Queen or Kenneth. Murray could still be on the board very early. Yeah it seems like with Queen. Marie also throws back on into the mix there. I wouldn't be surprised to see any of them. Come off the board starting. I don't know maybe somewhere round twentieth overall but I also wouldn't be surprised to see them sitting there for the giants at thirty sixth overall. It kind of seems it works out every year that we have out about fifteen really solid first round grades on players and then there's probably a group of about forty players every year. It happens that basically. I DASH second round grades. Just guys where it really depends on. What team is picking Weyer? They're all kind of lumped together and they could be first. Rounders could be early. Second Rounders and there isn't a whole lot of difference between the value in those places and that I think is where you start to see. Guys had their their draft stock. Be really fluid. Where you're all of a sudden have got. You never expected to be there at the top of the second round or you have a guy you just. We're not expecting get drafted at the bottom of the first round. And I think that can be a spot to get really good value where you could get a Patrick Queen or a Kenneth Murray who could be your who could be your starting inside linebacker for ten years. You could get Zack Blonde. Who could be just a great Swiss army knife for your defense or maybe even Jerry Chin who could be a a poor man's version of Isaiah Simmons or grant delpit who if you're getting the twenty eighteen version of delpit. You might be getting a top five caliber player back at thirty sixth the other thing that makes the early part of the second round really interesting and also advantageous for the giants for having a high pick is. We've seen in the past teams. That are really desperate to fill a need that once. They're guy that they want to get taken. They will straight reach for a player. We saw that happen with the Houston Texans when they took Titus Howard. He had a pretty decent season but still went a lot higher than most people expected. You pointed out Jeremy Chin who has been a bit more talked about lately as a late first round prospect. He could still be available early on in the second he could be available the whole second round making him in play for that giants pick but the other thing that. I just kind of thought of here is that there's a possibility someone like grant delpit. Who is extremely talented? Who did not get to fully benefit from having a pro day getting to meet with general managers and coaches and Scouts in person and having those in person visits that something like that is just enough to to slowly slide down draft boards just a little bit to the point where he could be available early on in the second round. It's Kinda like with not for the same reasons but it's Kinda like with what happened with Landon Collins. A few years ago that he seemed like he was gonNA be a late first. First Round prospect even a mid first round prospect ends up going with the first pick in the second round is the giants traded up to make a move and go grab him so it seems like delpit it probably not a ton of likelihood of it happening but it seems like it could find his way sliding just a hair enough to put him in the early second round opportunity. Yeah that's kind of what we're seeing happening on the Big Blue View Community. Mock draft is time and again. I keep suggesting Danielle we. We really should have dealt in in our top five players available and time and again the votes just keep going elsewhere so something like that. Where teams look like. Oh that's a good player but we need a player at position x what we need linemen. We need an edge player. We need a a receiver and you know he just keeps being the bridesmaid and keeps Slo- slowly falling back pick by pick. That's something you could really see happening. Especially as the value of safeties seems to be very fluid in recent years. At sometimes you see teams almost Value them at all but then there are other years you see teams really show a lot of interest in adding safety so delpit and Chin with his versatility and coming from a small school. Those guys that are going to be very interesting to watch and honestly I'll be. I'll be rooting for a slide from delicate. Because if he's on the board at that first pick in the second round I would be completely content with a trade up like they did a few years ago to get Landon Collins in getting an extremely talented guy like grant. Del Pit another player. That seems like there's a slight chance he could also slide if not a greater chance in some of these other players that we mentioned. Is you turn gross mottos edge rusher from PENN STATE? It just seems like with the way things are shaping out with other position groups that gross mottos could have enough of a slide out of that first round being in early second round prospect now. He's he's talented enough to go in the first round but with like I said various other position groups being of need and being pushed up to the priority in the first round he seems like a guy because of his position and also where he's at he could he could slide his way out. And maybe another edge rusher slash defensive lineman that falls into this possible. Signing situation is also a they play positions that generally have a high value for teams yet. You see it in the contracts handed out of free agency. Guys who can rush the specifically off of the edge are valuable always have been pretty much always will be and particularly gross maddow's. He has really rare measurable. He is pretty much the archetype for a especially four three edge player Esa He doesn't have the athleticism. We thought he did but for three four team. He is going to carry a lot of value. But you also see those guys kind of slowly sliding back now. I don't know if that is because of you. Know just the perception of them kind of around the draft media at large or if it's just the depth of the offensive tackle and wide receiver classes where there are just so many good players that you kind of can't justify putting them behind guys like EPA Essen Gross Mattos. They might slide through no fault of their own just that there are a lot of good players at other physicians. Speaking of other good players at other positions. How ABOUT POSITION GROUP? That has a lot of good players at it specifically that being the Receiver Group. It seems like there's GonNa be some really talented dudes that are first round prospects that going to end up going in the second the third the fourth round like we've talked about numerous times and I think that what's going to end up happening towards the second. Half of the first round is that teams that are in play for a receiver. Might say themselves well. Why don't we go get somebody out another position? That's not going to be available later because. Hey maybe we can't get a guy. Like low viscous Chenault or brandon. Yuck later on in the second round we can still get a really talented guy. So teams are going to be banking on that depth to help them out leading to a pretty mind boggling slide for some talented dudes in in the guys that we were kind of thinking of here is the viscous Chenault Braniac Jalen Raider and Denzel mims. All those guys have talent. Some teams might even value all of them as first round receivers but because of how things are really shaped out with this this extremely deep receiver class. It's GonNa. It could hurt some of them. Yeah you just take those four players and add either Jerry Judy CD lamb or henry rugs just any one of those three and you have. What would be good top five pretty much any other year and this is kind of the bottom part of the top ten we keep saying it. We say it almost every show. The depth of of the talent in this receiver. Class is just ridiculous. I'm almost afraid to bring the position up because I know we could go on for a half hour about them but suffice to say there will be very good receivers available when the giants draft in at the top of the second thing. I think that makes it a little bit interesting is we can't say whether or not there will be these receivers there at the bottom of the third when they come back around again or say when the giants pit comes back around again. I think we do have to keep an eye on the possibility that there are twenty receivers taken in the first fifty or sixty picks or maybe even twenty taken in the first seventy picks there. Are that many good receivers where there is a very good chance that whenever team picks a receiver will be the best player on their board. The final group of guys that we considered here was offensive tackles and offensive linemen in. It's not so much that they're gonNA slide but it's some guys might leap leapfrog into the first round leaving the other players in this group available early on in the second and this second tier of offense of line prospects is not really up to that first round grade. Maybe not all of them. But there's there's potential for them like I said for them to go in the first round and others still be available on the board. The ones we kinda talked about Josh Jones could slide his way out a little bit. Lucas neon could also find himself early on in the Second Austin Jackson from USC. And then the one that we were talking about before. The show is Isaiah Wilson. It seems like there is a ton of steam for Isaiah Wilson to continue to move up. And maybe he doesn't move up into the first round like some people are projecting. He could go very very early on in the second round despite him not really having that much support early on and I'm specifically referencing Isaiah Wilson's draft stock to what I heard Daniel Jeremiah. Talk about during move the sticks and and on his podcast saying that. There's a lot of people that think. That Isaiah Wilson could be a late first round prospect An even a very off chance that maybe he goes before. Andrew Thomas but that's very very small but still besides the point. Wilson could be one of the biggest risers we see in this year's draft. Yeah I would say Wilson based on what is on tape seeing him rise. That much would surprise to me especially to see him. Go above Andrew Thomas. I think there is a good chance of having a player who has starting ability at offensive. Tackle there for the giants at thirty six. Whether it's Josh Jones. Lucas Neang Austin Jackson. Personally I like as Cleveland. He needs more play strength. He needs to spend some time in the weight room but just athletically. He is a lot like Lane Johnson end. That's kind of athletic profile. You're you feel comfortable. Betting on there will well. I don't I shouldn't say there will be guys there because if you think back to the twenty thirteen draft the Dallas cowboys traded back to thirty. I believe targeting Justin pugh yet because they were sure he was going to be there. Well that didn't exactly happen in. We saw a huge run on offensive lineman. So you can't say that they're absolutely will be guys there. But it's likely that one of these guys Jones Neang Jackson Wilson Cleveland. One of them will likely be there and maybe even several of them will likely be there for the giants at the top of the second if they still need to draft offensive lineman next. We're going to discuss possible scenarios for the giants early on in the second round. Once they're pick comes around based on what they do in the first round what could be their counter. We're GONNA talk about that next but before we get to it. We're going to take a short commercial break. It seems like right now. There's a couple major scenarios that could happen for the giants with their fourth overall. Pick well if they do go through. Where does that leave them with the second round? What are they going to be doing as their next move in bringing in players to the New York giants? Well the first and obvious scenario that we've pitched multiple times in that we keep seeing and mock drafts from experts all over the place from big sources saying the Isaiah Simmons pick up fourth overall. Well if this happens whereas it leaves the giants early on the second round and we talked about the fact that it seems like the best possible move for them is that if they go. Isaiah Simmons that means they're banking on in hoping that there's going to be offensive line options available right at that spot at thirty six so that would be one of these tackles. We talked about Isaiah Wilson. Josh owns Lucas. Neang Austin Jackson or does this put them in the spot where they should take a player like Cezar we's if he doesn't get drafted very late in the first round it seems like offensive line makes the most sense if they take simmons it really does because unless the giants feel a lot more strongly about Cameron Fleming than we do. They don't have a starting right tackle and they even if they do think that Fleming can be a patch on the position. Kind of like Mike remers was last year. They don't really have a right tackle for the future. They also has some serious questions. I think at center. Obviously we're pulling John Alipio to get healthy and be able to compete at training camp. Because he does have ruptured Achilles. And that's not. That's not a small injury but even if a labile is healthy the the giants need an upgrade their they need a natural starting center so. I don't think they could go wrong between getting a right tackle for the future or getting a starting center personally. Just based on how. We have our position grouping kind of played out. I would look to the right tackle with either Lucas. Neang as Wilson Prints Taken Ohio. One of those guys who can step in and hopefully locked down the right side if not right away then definitely starting in year two but if they happen to come away with Ruis. I don't think we can really complain about that. Although potentially getting that right tackle in them may be having a guy like tyler abiotic or Loyd cushenberry be there at ninety nine overall that could be extra ideal the other scenario that were really starting to see too is taking an offensive tackle over. Isaiah Simmons taking someone like Tristan. Worth's G DRIK wills maybe even MCI Becton with that fourth overall pick. Well if you're taking tackle. Where does that leave the giants with the counter? Measure for them. There is that they'd be banking on good defensive talent being available someone like grant. Del Pit like we talked about. Maybe he slides into position for the giants. Take him maybe one of the linebackers. We talked about Patrick. Queen Kenneth Murray Zach Bond. One of those guys could very well be on the board in even edge prospects like deter gross mottos. I it seems like there's a lot more chances. One of these defensive playmakers falls than offensive linemen though that does kind of seem to be the the two options for the giants if they go defense with their first pick likely Isaiah Simmons but who knows a coup or young might fall probably not but they might then they go off line in the second if the giants go offensive line in the first than they almost have to address the defense with their second pick and yet just based on looking at draft boards of trying to get redone guys draft stock. It does seem like they'll have either linebackers or that heavy second third tier of edge rushers to choose from you know. Maybe you're gross maddow's maybe Julian Okwara or maybe linebacker. Like Kenneth Murray Patrick Queen. I think maybe their best hope will be Zach born but I would kind of be surprised particularly surprised if he happens to fall just because of Hell Versatile. He is how good he is. How many rolls? He can fill. There is probably the outside chance that they could get Jeremy Chen or grant delpit because the giants do have that whole free safety end Chin can serve a lot of the same roles that Wilson Not Isaiah Wilson. That is as Simmons too. Many Isaiah's that Isaiah Simmons could if they had picked him in the first round the final scenario that is an option but not as likely just because of the difficulties. The T. A. Teams will be dealing with having a virtual draft setting is the giants trading back. And we we've all rooted for it. We've all talked about it and saying that the giants should orchestrate some type of a trade back and how far and it's really too difficult to speculate where those were those trade back scenarios could lie and in how far back the giants could move if they only move back pick. Well then Isaiah Simmons. Any of those guys are still but if they move somewhere towards the middle of the first round will that opens up the door for taking a receiver but ultimately what it would give them is multiple second round picks most likely it would give them an additional second round. Pick additional draft capital. Maybe even in the first-round those types of things will then. Where would that really impact the giants and where would that open the door for for various other position groups to work their way in yet? If the giants have trade back I imagine one of their picks almost has to be a wide receiver. Just because as we said in the first half pretty much whenever a team picks after the first few picks a wide receiver is going to be the best player on their board. And as much as we've talked about the giants needs on offensive line and their needs on defense. Wide Receiver is a need to. They need depth that position but they also need a starter. They need a true number one guy. They have sterling shepard who is creating separation but he's a slot guy and not to diminish that slot guys can have a tremendous impact. Just look at Victor Cruz. A couple years back in two thousand eleven or sterling shepherd his rookie year. They need a guy opposite area. Slate in a guy who can command double teams who can tilt the field who can force a defense to declares intentions and really help the offense. Create that room underneath four. Evan Ingram Floor Sterling Shepherd and four saquon. Barkley to work. Yup I think one of the big problems with the giants defense but the giants offense over the last couple of years has been. They haven't really created room for themselves. It's been too easy for defenses to play downhill and just crowd the line of scrimmage which was where pretty much all of their place. We're going anyway. So I think just given their need and the depth at the position wide receiver becomes a possibility giants trade back and then also we have both of the other positions. We mentioned oftens of line and some position on the defense especially if the giants get two second-round picks are. I will that is going to be at for our speculation in predictions for various scenarios in the second round for the New York. Giants were pretty much a week away here for the NFL draft. And we're getting very very close so now's your last chance to get in your NFL draft questions. Send them to us on twitter at Joe. Deleo or at Raptor M. K. Is You can also send them into our facebook page. You can directly on her instagram page at big underscore blu underscore view any other. Last questions you have send them on into us in. We have one more mailbag show before the draft. So don't expect us to answer any more questions after that. Make sure you get them in now. 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The Chris and Joe Show: Analyzing The Top 5 Picks

Big Blue View

29:26 min | 7 months ago

The Chris and Joe Show: Analyzing The Top 5 Picks

"Podcast listeners. We are amazing avenue. The espy nation New York mets site. I'm Chris McShane and every week Brian Salvator and I discussed the current state of the mets Automated Avenue audio the show. We try to look at the mets from a somewhat logical point of view and not get too deep into panic city. We also answer your emails give weekly music recommendations and try not to get too frustrated with the team. You can find the show on Apple podcasts on stitcher on spotify wherever you get your podcasts. And let's go mets. Welcome to the Kristen. Joe Show presentative. Isp Nation and Biglou view on Joe Deleo and joined by Chris from continuing our NFL draft coverage that. We've been giving you for a few weeks now. We're getting very close to the NFL draft meaning. The clock is ticking. Things are going to start to get really really interesting in these next few weeks with potential of trades and other various rumors circulating on who could go where which is why on. Today's show. We'RE GOING TO BE TALKING. About how the top five picks in this year's draft could shape out we're going to discuss. What are the teams most likely options for these top? Five picks that being the Bengals redskins lions giants of course and then the Miami Dolphins and how all of this relates to who will eventually be on the board for the giants win. The pick comes in getting right on into what we're talking about today breaking things down for the Cincinnati Bengals the first pick in the two thousand twenty. Nfl draft in Chris. I don't think you can over complicate this at all. It is so clear that the bengals are going to be taking Joe Borough and they need to take him and not look back. They need a boost at the quarterback position in any rumors about him saying that he wants to be traded or doesn't WanNa be a Bengal is a bunch of Baloney. It's going to happen. He's going to be their starting quarterback week. One of twenty twenty. It really is just an absolute no brainer for Cincinnati. Just take burrow. He is coming off a historically great season for Lsu National Championship heisman trophy. Just absolutely dominant play. His play under pressure is better than pretty much. Every other quarterback in recent memory has been clean. I just have to say watching. Lsu's tape during draft. Prep this year. It started to get frustrating. Because I couldn't not watch Joe Borough. I would try to be concentrating on the offensive line or just in Jefferson or Thaddeus Moss or any of these other guys or defensive players. They happened to be playing. And I just couldn't not watch borough. The things he was able to do last year were unreal. Just don't over think it don't even think just turning the card say Joe Borough and move on. There's really no other direction for them to go. In in less they really wanted to trade out of that. Pick in the in those Joe borough rumors of him not wanting to be being over true but again that is not true. I keep seeing. It's during a pop up on twitter from unverified accounts with Sources that they won't reveal saying that he doesn't want to be a Bengal. Don't believe any of that. Don't buy any into any of that. It's people that are trying to get clout or maybe they're trying to create a smokescreen. Whatever they can do to stir conversation. Joe Borough is going to be a bangle and the other alternative that is a bit laughable that I've seen in some mock drafts from various people and especially on draft twitter is that just in Herbert could be in play for this first overall. Pick and talked about how good of a prospect Joe Borough is. It just doesn't make any sense that you can compare the two Joe Borough the performances that he had last year against elite level. Sec Defenses and the things he was able to do in game in terms of his traits quarterback are significantly higher than that of Justin Herber. So there's no reason for them to even debate that debate who should go instead of the other. Yeah I I saw a one comparison for Joe Borough that just really stood out and I can't really argue against it and that is Patrick. Mahomes just watching borough the utter and complete confidence that he played with his ability to execute pretty much. No matter what defenses through at him and execute at a high level almost perfectly. Okay he might not have mahomes insane arm where he could throw it a hundred yards from any angle on his knees but everything except for that it. Kinda checks out. He's got that athleticism that you don't expect he can. He can throw from almost any platform. His accuracy and precision were ridiculous. He was completely unafraid of risk and pretty much completely unaffected by pressure. So I I think we spent more than enough time on this one. Yeah we're probably going to be breaking down this election. More than some of these other picks. Where do you know who's going to be the guy next second pick? The Washington Redskins is where things start to get really interesting because there's a number of different directions. They could really go. And the first and obvious one is chased young and the best available player on the Board. But that doesn't Rule Out Jeff Okuda in that also doesn't rule out an interesting take. You have here Chris. Maybe offense tackle. Yeah this was a a thought I had actually this morning walking the dog right now. Washington does not have left. Tackle Duane. Haskins there is some question as to whether or not he is in Ron Rivera. Plan for the future but we did see some really impressive improvement from Haskins at the end of last year. The last five or six games. We saw him just take strides and improved by leaps and bounds from game to game basis. And he was doing that really with just kind of a makeshift left side and if Washington really likes decides. They really liked him. They wanted to develop him. They need to find a left tackle. Because Trent Williams is not going to be back he has made that abundantly clear. He no longer trust the organization. He doesn't trust the franchise and he doesn't want to play for team. He doesn't trust so could Washington actually at an offensive tackle. We have heard kind of behind the scenes that the giants are looking very seriously at either tristen. Worse or Isaiah Simmons we have. There is another set. That are saying they're hearing that. The giants are looking at Isaiah Simmons or trading back. So what if perhaps what the other set is hearing is that the giants do want address draft Christon worse but it is possible. Perhaps even likely that Worth will not be there to be drafted so that just got me thinking. What if Washington basically does what they did with Brandon Sheriff and takes the offensive Lineman when people weren't really expecting them to? It's certainly a direction that I don't think a lot of people are considering. It's more of a possibility than really. Then people think could actually happen because like you said. They are in need of an offensive tackle because of Trent Williams no longer wanting to associate himself with the organization and it really is just a matter of how they grade things and if they happen to grade wirth's equal with one of these defensive guys if that is chase young then well they could end up taking him instead of young but it seems like right now that their best possible direction is taking chase young like I said Jeff. Okuda could be play if they're a little bit more in favor of taking a corner. The other option to here for them is taking a quarterback or trading back. And there's been the Smokescreen I would like to refer to it as of them taking two or maybe even Justin Herbert in this spot and I think that during draft time there is always going to be takes like this and it's not like last year with the cardinals and there was so many signs pointing to them. Moving on from Josh Rosen and taking cuyler. Murray and it made sense because Murray was a significant upgrade over Josh Rosen specifically for that offense well in this case. I really don't see them needing quarterback as much and it's the same situation as it was for the cardinals if Ron Rivera really wanted to change and shake up the quarterback room this much. As far as taking a better talent and Dwayne Haskins he would have gone out and signed Cam Newton by now. And that's a player that he is associated with for a very long time. But Kim Newman remains a free agent. Duane. Haskins still remains the number one quarterback in that room so that is really just an intent to try and get one of these quarterback hungry teams to trade up which is really the biggest stirring motion for these these next three to four picks in the top five. Yeah the other possibility we haven't really talked about. Is Jeffrey Okuda? Who kind of like an offensive tackle. Washington needs a cornerback. They traded away their best one and they do have a formidable front seven. They've got a good defensive line. Montas sweat was coming on at the end of last year. Not much was made of it but he did have seven stacks. He does own the fastest sack in the league last year. So if he is starting to harness that incredible athleticism he has. Maybe they could convince themselves that they don't need chase young. That reinforcing the secondary would pay big dividends. But Chase Young is. He has the potential to be a real spark plug and just a monster with the rest of their front seven and considering Ron Rivera Jack del Rio. The kinds of defenses date likes run. I wouldn't I would honestly be surprised if it was anything other than chase. Young truce young certainly seems to be the clear indication for them. Just like Joe Borough seems to be the best bet for the Cincinnati. Bengals things start to get a little bit more straight here at the third pick with the Detroit lions because this is where things could drastically change because Jeff Okuda if chase young does not slide and ends up going to the Redskins Jeff. Okuda makes a lot of sense. They recently traded Darius slay to the eagles so upgrading and bringing in a guy that can step in and start right away makes a ton of sense. There's comparisons of him to Stefan Gilmore in terms of his impact. And if you can get a guy like that who can step in and play right away like a Jalen Ramsey or Denzel award or Marshon Lattimore. You can significantly upgrade your defense. So Jeff Okuda's imply. Derrick Brown is also employed but also if they read into the fact that the giants really really want is Ahah Simmons they could also choose to take Simmons here. If there's just all the options that are available are taking defensive guy to boost things for a defensive minded head coach and Matt Patricia Yeah It is interesting to look at the second third picks in the draft. And say okay. This is what's going to happen here than this is. What's going to happen there? But if you the more you look at these picks the more you look at these teams the more options and potential options and potential scenarios. Start to present themselves. If it should be Jeffrey Khuda basically everything they have done signals that they are looking at Kuda as their primary target. But if chase young happens to be on the board. I don't know how you not pick him. If you're the lions if a Kuda is off the board then gliding. Taft will have to choose between Chase Young. Derrick Brown and both of those guys have just monstrous potential and I think you could possibly even throw John King Law at a South Carolina basically into that mix as well and really only a tiny tiny step back from Derrick Brown. He isn't getting as much talk as you probably should the national level but I just watch his tape folks. He is a monster and if you recall. The lions recently moved on from a former New York giant Demon Harrison. Who was their nose tackle? And Derrick Brown has a very different and also kinloch have very different skill sets than Damon Harrison. They're not profoundly these middle of the defense plugging run stuffers. But they have that in their skill set and there are a little bit more versatile they can do other additional things just basically space eaters first and foremost so moving on from Damon Harrison. Who's a veteran? They may be popping in? One of these defensive tackles is something that they're considering. Maybe that's part of the reason why chose to get rid of and move on and not bring back Damon Harrison because they knew at the top of the draft if they sit where they are at three and Jason's off the board we can going at their brown and we can get either an upgrade or at least the same level of play in his first year by bringing him and then the final option that we really have to talk about that. We discuss pretty much with all of these picks besides the Cincinnati Bengals of having the possibility and that is trading back because of how many quarterback needed teams there are how many teams that are towards the middle of the draft. That want to get that young guy to build their franchise around. There's always a chance that it seemed like the Miami Dolphins The Los Angeles chargers the Las Vegas Raiders. You know heck even if there's a possibility you probably wouldn't happen. Teams like the Pittsburgh steelers of the Indianapolis Colts but because they don't have first rounders they can't trade their way up into a position draft a guy but lions like like the redskins before them have a shot to get a good deal that allows them to trade back so someone could take two or Herbert end. Really Trades have to be considered with each of the second third and fourth picks. Really when we talk about the obe rules and value with the draft trading back is almost always the right choice just because that is how you can really maximize the value of a pick. You look at what the Indianapolis Colts did back in two thousand eighteen when they turned the third overall pick in two really a bunch of pro bowl caliber players by trading. Back to six in getting three second round picks. So if if you can entertain a trade back. If there isn't a player you have to have like if if your team doesn't need a quarterback and there is another team willing to trade up at work out a deal with you. Take that deal unless something happens in a player like chase young just a player premium position with talent. You just cannot ignore false. Trading back really is a very lucrative option here for these teams from two three to four and I. I think that there is a pretty strong likelihood that at least one of these teams. I think there will be one team the traits back because of a good offer from one of these teams who wants to secure their quarterback of the future. We're going to talk about the next pick the New York giants but before we get to that. We're GONNA take a very short commercial break as you probably assume the one pick that we're looking at the most here for the reason of this is a show that covers the New York. Giants is this fourth overall. Pick for the giants. And that's the reason why we broke down in disgust. The three picks in front of them. Because how does this shape up for the giants? How does everything a look ahead of them? And if certain guys are taken what is in play for them and Chase. Young probably will not make it this far. It would be very shocking. It would require multiple trades up by teams to take quarterbacks. The you'd need to for that to happen. And then young would fall to four but the the likelihood of that happening is probably not that high. It would take a lot for that to happen. The same thing with Okuda if if the Trades Jeff Okuda could also fall in b. m. play here for the giants but it just seems like the two smartest decisions is either taking attack electricity worse or whoever they have the highest graded or Isaiah Simmons to immediately impact and start on their defense. Yeah the the giants first option should be getting down on their knees lighting a candle praying hoping doing what ever they can to appease the football gods that would of those Ohio state players happens to fall to them because those guys could have just an absolutely massive impact on the giants defense. A coup secondary chase young would basically instantly provide a pass rush giants. Just do not have right now. We kind of been planning all up until the last month or so the season for the giants to be taking young kind of imagining what he would look like in giants blue. What number he would wear since fifty-six as out and then they won a couple of games and slip down to fourth overall but now there is at least a glimmer of hope maybe kind of hopefully somehow hope that winning a couple of games won't actually hurt them and they could get the player they really desperately need but in the real world. That probably will not happen. So we're left with Isaiah. Simmons and whichever offensive tackle on our personal physician board generic wills came out first Jesuits came out as ot one just because he probably has the best blend of technique consistency athleticism and he also plays a position. Naturally that the giants just do not have a starter at right now. So that is the pick there. We've also heard tristen worse for the giants. We heard that quite a bit. And then Isaiah Simmons. We've been over him a couple of times to say the least on this show. He would give them just so many options and so much versatility on defense. I'm not sure the giants could go wrong either way though I will say taking the Taking Isaiah Simmons would mean that they have to hope that there is a starting caliber. Offense tackled there for them in the second round that there isn't in an incredible run on tackles after them in the first round they have to hope that. Washington doesn't take as Cleveland at the top of the second round or Neang or print takeaway elbow prints taken with one of those guys. Is there and yet? That is a gamble but having simmons might make that gamble worthwhile and I think what would really need for the giants to take Simmons would be. They have him graded above. Whatever tackle is there? I tackle by a significant margin but also like you said they're going to have to have this forward thinking outlook of well. How do we grave? The second round tackles and we were talking about this before the show that it's really based on preference and and how teams have grade certain guys because there's certain guys that are probably going to be and should be early second round prospects but code fall to the third round just because of how these teams are viewing them It's a bit of a toss up and there's very little consensus about. Who is that early? Second round tackle prospect. Who are the best available guys early on in the second round so for the giants if they can't talk themselves into taking at least one or two those guys early in the second round if they're available or like maybe risking assuming that Josh Jones could slide that far or someone like Lucas and Yang? Not being taken early on in the late in the first round rather they would need all of that to happen and they would also need to be able to talk themselves into. I said taking one of those guys early on in the Second Round. If they can't do that they're going to need and they probably will take a tackle your because they don't WanNa risk not having that opportunity to fix and finally solidified their offensive line in addition to that if they can say to themselves well early in the second round. Maybe we can get a guy like Jeremy Chin. Who isn't the same player as Simmons but we can use him defensively in various situations. He's unique he's has a rare physical build is not going to give the same impact. But he'll be a quality starter. It's all about how the outlook is going to be instead of just being so focused and honed in on this one pick and who's available yet this is going to be a unique draft. I think it's going to wind up being a kind of crazy wild draft where there are going to be picks that kind of come out of left field come out of the blue that we just do not see coming just because the draft process has been really completely derailed from what it normally is teams. Weren't really able to visit with prospects. Go work them out of Pro Days. Have them to their facilities for visits and interviews and also we had A. I don't know if it was a record or not but we had a lot of prospects elect to not work out at the combine this year. Chase young didn't really work out. Derrick Brown didn't do much Devan Kinloch didn't do much. The tackles did but there were really a lot of prospects who didn't run didn't jump didn't do the agility drills so there. There is a lot of data that teams normally used as maybe not decision makers but to either confirm what they saw on tape or give them reason to go back and look at tape again that they just don't have and also the draft is going to be done remotely. There aren't going to be war rooms. Decision makers general managers coaches scouts are all going to be spread out and teams are going to have to have a real definite concrete plan or things could get really weird and then of course with the giants that we've discussed and we get tons of questions about this that we would choose not to answer all of them because we've had so many questions about it is that they could still seek a trade to move back and it's significantly based on if any of these teams above the giants move out of their picks if one of them does it opens things up for a team like the chargers or the dolphins to negotiate with the giants so they can beat out the other team from getting the guys that they want. There's a chance that both of them really like to our both of them really like just in Herbert and they don't want to risk the opposing team. Getting in that comes right into right into transitioning to the Miami Dolphins the final pick for this top five. It seems like their situation. Here is trying to trade up at all costs beating out the Los Angeles chargers from taking the top quarterback on their board. Whether it's to a or just herbert or even Jordan love. If they're that high on Jordan love they need to make up or hope that the chargers don't make a move to trade up and that they're guy ends up being there on the board for them at five? I really cannot imagine them going in any other direction then quarterback because two years in to the new regime of Brian. Flora's you need to start building towards that future. And you're not GonNa do that with Ryan Fitzpatrick. They're not really that. All in on Josh Rosen. They were starting Ryan Patrick for most of last year. He's not going to be there starter. Long-term now is the time for them to take someone waiting. Further down in the draft is just going to have negative consequences so they need to take whoever there is within these top five picks by any means necessary absolutely and trading up does carry risk it caries risk every year but especially this year because of how much we are missing especially with to US injury. He put out the video a week to two weeks ago of him yet moving throwing and he looked good but team still want to be able to look at him in person has their doctors go over him and really find out where in his recovery he is what his hip looks like how he how he is healing just all of those things that could could should will give them confidence that he can be starting quarterback again and for long-term but Miami might not have the option of not trading especially if the chargers do jump them or if they're even afraid the chargers might jump them. There are really two quarterbacks other than Joe Borough that are worthy of trading for and. That's to an herber. It's possible that we could see either Miami or the chargers trade up for one of those quarters Quarterbacks at second overall and that could trigger the other ones trade up at third overall just to make sure they get him and some other team doesn't come out of the blue with a surprise trade. You know we could see the raiders do that. It seems like Jacksonville. Wants to develop Gardner Menchu but we could also see them trade up they have they have the AMMO. They have the picks to move so it is possible that one trade could trigger another trade just because they don't have any other choice which could wind up. Even if the giants aren't able to trade back being very good for the giants. Well now folks. You have an understanding of what could happen for any of these top five teams including the New York giants all of the options that are in play all the guys that horror potentials for the giants to take at that fourth spot as well as who could go before them. If you think there's any situations we happen to miss on or did not discuss and you want to dive into them. Feel free to send us a DM at Jodi Leone or at Raptor N. K. I. R. Into the Facebook Page big blue view. And we'll discuss them on the mailbag show at the end of the weekend on Wednesday. We're going to be talking about the top of the second round and what could be in play who could be available. Who could go before the giants all of that? Good stuff for the second round because that's where things really get interesting like. We talked about earlier on the show. Sure it'll rates subscribe wherever you're listening to. Us and falls on Social Media Big Lou view and also stay tuned for Wednesday where we talked about the top of the second round. Hi I'm Brian. And I'm one of the hosts of the Amazing Avenue Network of podcasts. Each week day we bring you a different podcasts. The covers the New York mets from a different perspective every Monday. You could hear me Steve. 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Moving East

College Football Live

47:44 min | 10 months ago

Moving East

"Hey this is Kirk herbstreet. Welcome back to this great college football rivalry earlier today we miked up the huddle. And here's what we heard. He didn't what town it is ready for this game. We're not say smoke. Say Sausage pins in Akron. Talk to fire up that grew intense home gate. ECKRICH do you. Comic football presented presented by Mazda. We're four days from the National Championship game so college football live. We have four four people on the show. Come on now Ryan Leaf Emmanuel Acho. Tom Luganville Jason Fitz. We had this great show planned. We're going to get into everything about the national championship and then all of a sudden breaking teaching news in College football for the second consecutive day. This time it's a coaching Coaching announcement Mississippi State has a new head coach. It's a Doozie. The always entertaining Mike Leach. Leaving Washington state to take over the bulldogs who fired coach. Joe Moorhead after only two years on the job leach has a huge track record of success in both the Texas Tech Back in Washington state. And now join T.. And the same. Status Ole miss and Lane Kiffin press conference is GonNa be epic for this absolutely great success for. You're talking about somebody. That's one one. Almost sixty one percent of his games fifty five and forty seven at Washington state one thirty nine and ninety overall had a ton of success and now he heads. It's over to the SEC so whenever we're talking about things that we need to know about the SEC. There's one person that tells us the best as very own Paul Finebaum. So we're going to get Paul Finebaum thoughts thoughts on Mike Leach. The new coach Mississippi State this is by far the most interesting higher of the off season. And that's saying a great deal Michael which is always been a really good coach but a lot of schools have stayed away from him remember. It wasn't all that long ago. Tennessee nearly hired him and they fired the ad instead but giving Mississippi Susuki state credit. They swum for the fences and they got the pirate who likes to swing the sword. And what's even more interesting is the rivalry that we will have almost immediately take between him and Lane Kiffin. Yes that's right lane kiffin and lead. Who went at it back in the pack twelve or going to do it again in the Egbo which is already a fascinating waiting game? It has ratcheted up even more so next Thanksgiving night market down. That's GONNA be one of the most interesting games of the season but for all of the conversation about Mike Sleet and what he says in his Amazing extemporaneous matter. He's a great football coach. He has ever won that big because he's been a lot of strange places assist but at Mississippi state you can be successful. Dan Mullen was number one in the country. Very briefly. Michael Tom Dot Com missing that but against Nick Sabin and coach show. I think he'll hold and his own and Mississippi State fans in college. Football fans are the winters today just heard mentioned the egg bowl. Kiffin tweeted and welcome to the state old pirate and friend. Oh God forgive Thanksgiving night. I want the press conferences again. The lead up to we have a rare opportunity though to get thoughts on this this move Obviously because we have somebody on this show that played for Washington state in the one the only Ryan Leaf so Ryan. We're GONNA start with you. What are your thoughts on this move? Well I have a difficult situation. You're an analyst at ESPN. But I'm also Washington state alum and what he'd been able to do for our program over the last six seven years years has been exceptional and for me when I heard this. I wasn't necessarily surprised and what I did. Realize that what he is set in place what he has put what in blazes there at Washington State. He's built the foundation. The facilities are better off a coach. We can go after get. That's the difference that he made at Washington state. Isn't that special. This is going to shake up all of college football and I cannot be more excited. I speak from experience. I've played Texas against Mike Leach when he was at Texas Tech Eh defending him and defending his air raid offense one of the toughest things to do remember he was tops in the FBI at Washington state in passing yards. Completion percentage passing touchdowns everything he had more yards passing per game last year that Mississippi State had total so. He's going to shake up. SEC defenses deepened. Even the coordinators are GonNa be scratching their head and have a ton of sleepless nights lubes because of this higher on geeked about it while we all should be excited about it. Because I'll tell you right now. The press press conferences alone are going to be outstanding. So we're all looking forward to that No doubt you know. I would have a couple of concerns. I think he's an outstanding football coach. But he's been an outlier out liar coach for outlier programs. And it's a perfect fit. And that's why I think this fit is good with Mississippi state to concerns for me. This is the first time he's had to coach. The head coach a league. That is a line of scrimmage league dominated by defensive personnel secondly his true version of the air raid does not feature a tight end. I I think it's awfully difficult to play in the SEC. Urban Meyer found this out when he left Utah went to Florida. He didn't have a tight in his part of his offense. Either in eventually evolved into that. I think we're GONNA see a new iteration of Mike Leach. I think he's so smart football guy that he's GonNa realize. I'm going to have to make some shifts because the environment arm around me and the level of competition has ratcheted up big time. I'll show I'M GONNA push back to you a little bit because you're excited to see this and you say it's going to put fear in the hearts of the but what's the ceiling. Look at how. Good the conference is a whole and when you talk about. Lsu Obama Florida Georgia. I mean even if he goes in crushes. What are they going to be the six best team in the conference see? I'll challenge. The ceiling is very high. Now the staying power. I don't know but again I was playing Texas Tech. When they were top five in the nation they beat us with Michael Crabtree in Lubbock? I was there I remember that Wazoo. They were number seven last year. November of two thousand eighteen. So I can't tell you how long long Mississippi state might be good for but what I can tell you beyond the shadow of a doubt. They will be good and to Luke's as point. I'm interested in Luke's because I don't know if I totally agree. Here's what I think that the SEC will have to adjust to leach more than leach will have to adjust to the SEC. Remember what happened when Texas am and even zoo. I got to the SEC. I was watching closely because they left the big twelve. There was an adjustment period. Yes they had Johnny Manziel but there were still like wait a second. What are all these receivers out here? This isn't the power this isn't calendar. This isn't trap. I think they might have to adjust. Yeah that's I tell you what right now the. SEC is not going to have to adjust. Mike we just going to have to adjust the problem at Washington state and the reason why they couldn't win the division is he simply wouldn't compromise. He wouldn't change. He couldn't find a way to beat Washington. which didn't allow them them to go to the PAC twelve championship? And if he isn't able to do that down there. This is going to be short-lived. He's a guy can win you. Seven eight nine games season. But he's not GonNa win you the division but at the fan basis. Okay with that that. He's a perfect fit. If that was Mississippi state I'd be over the moon if I'm Washington state right now. I think he did what he needed to do. When they're ready to hire a new Guy Ryan? I agree with you wholeheartedly. In that regard because what we really need to examine here is what's the expectation level Mississippi state amongst their fanbase. Did they become a bit spoiled with a success. At Dan Mullen one had during the the ten year that he was there because nobody has seen that sustained success at Mississippi State prior to Dan. mullins arrivals. So is this a seven in in five program that's capable of getting nine and three maybe every three or four years or they expecting him to be nine three ten and two every year in a division with Lsu Alabama Alabama Auburn and Ole. Miss Obviously is going to ratchet up the competition as well the expectation is the thing. I'm looking at well lose. You just mentioned that schedule if you saw it on the screen green there in a row. They've gotta go A. M. at Bam LSU Auburn and you're talking about consecutive games. It seems hard for me to see any path that leads to tremendous success out of the gates and expectation becomes the the difficult portion of this that we have to wrap our head around and Tom. We just don't know what that's going to be for for for Mississippi State. We don't and that's why he needs to come out of the gate fast so he can set a standard for what the program is going to be. It's just I think it's a good job but I also think it's a very tough job now. The point is Mississippi State is not supposed to contend at least not in the eyes of the nation nation for National Championships. I don't think that's what anybody's expecting right. Lee has touched on in Tom's touched on it but I do think they can knock off a team here and there I do. I think they could catch a maybe an Alabama slipping one year. They could catch it. LSU Slip in one year they can knock off at Texas am or are they going to be a big dog. That's not what I'm saying but do I think that Mike Leach could have them being splash player. Winning ten games in the first or second or third year absolutely and only. Because I've seen it way too many times you're also talking about a coach. Since one a lot of games we'll see what it means moving forward but his path to the playoff whatever that means just got much more difficult. We've been talking about the press coverage not much we should know the press conference will be tomorrow at one. PM and if there's anything we know all eyes will be on that press conference as it goes. Mississippi state by the way super excited to get his men tweeted. I like this. He said here we go. It's not used one or two. It's city used three exclamation points. So that is absolutely my my favorite way to tweet coming up next the LSU offense offense hasn't been good it's been spectacular. The question is why we'll break it down and we'll tell you if it can be slowed down all of that next College Football Kelly Age. Football live is is presented by the first-ever Mazda C x thirty the ally Jeeves me and a Little Bit Tigers win and we are headed to Orleans. Lsu was back on the practice field today getting ready. What's essentially a home game? Monday night players going through the game plan. The college football world is ready to converge on New Orleans. Monday nights coach. Oh spoke to the media yesterday. This is what he had to say. That everybody's get ready for the game of this was a ton of money and then we're going to go. Tomorrows will be competition. Tuesay's turnover Wednesday. No repeat Thursday Arzi focus Friday. We'll play the game you know. WE'RE NOT GONNA make this game bigger than it is to focuses on daily preparation. What would go on a daily basis and then to go win the game? This love most energetic Monday practically. Have these guys phenomenal. They're on a mission to Scottish left on a mission. We're going to welcome in Martin Smith. Marty you just finished. There's watching practice. What did you see from Lsu intensity Jason a lot of intensity? This was competition. Tuesday they. I know it's Thursday but Lsu treating it as a traditional Tuesday the players were in full pads and they got after it. It was really crisp really intense extremely precise much like what I saw yesterday in practice. Only the intensity was at a whole other level. And that's coach down. I was standing kind of between two of the practice fields outside here between sessions and the whistle blew and all of a sudden all of these large offensive Lineman and defensive Lineman Armand came running by me and coach was with him and he came over to me he and he goes studying ten smarter so he's not only hollering at his kids. It's he's also hollering at the onlookers. Did you get any sense of whatever pressure they feel. I mean this is essentially a home game. Are they playing any differently. None absolutely none. There's there's an intense calm is the way that I would. I would say it's obvious to me that there is so much confidence incidence. Because they feel like they've taken on and defeated all comers this season they feel like their offense can score against anyone at any time. It's like coach O.. Repeated to US something that he said to us all year long but he said it a bit more directly yesterday. Anyone anytime anywhere doesn't matter. We don't blink and every single one of them with involved in this program are living that mantra very obvious to me. I'm just saying it's it's here. Marty say it makes me makes fired up. Can't imagine coach Marty. Thanks to the time we appreciate it down. Strap fits let's go. Let's go all right. Let's get a little nugget here on Lsu. How about this bear? Chris leak letting US know from twenty twelve twenty eighteen. Lsu through sixty nine touchdown passes in sixty sixty nine games versus power five opponents this year Joe Burrow through forty three in eleven of those games this production. This offense is absolutely been epic but it brings up some questions questions. We wanted to take a look at what took so long for this offense to get on track. So let's start with auto entre. What took so long here? It's very simple. It's just the fact active teams. We're trying to imitate what led to success. Think about Alabama. They've won so many championships. But never because of the GLITZ. And Glamour airing out the ball. Nick Sabin I think he has eighty seven players drafted. If I'm not mistaken. Only six have been receivers guys like. Julio Jones most catches he ever had in the season was seventy eight so the Alabama way the national championship point said ground and pound ground and pound then. LSU looked left. They looked right and they said we ain't gotta do that. No more why. Why not just air it out so when everybody went left? Lsu went right. I think they've done a wonderful job of putting together the right mix of coaches with similar muller philosophies and styles to maximize the talent of the players that they have on the roster and mask the weaknesses when they won out in started clinic with the New Orleans. Saints Offensive Staff. And Sean Payton Pete Carmichael this. This other guy named Joe Brady came into the building and started getting on the board in front of Stevens meager and in front of of at and they said. Wait a minute this is the missing piece that we need to put this thing together. And it's all been about fit with people in my opinion on the staff all right so let me be a little hyper hyperbolic hyperbole. We'll speak in hyperbole. Is this then Ryan. Leave the greatest offense ever in college football it very well could be at least from the passing game perspective now. What he's been able to do from what they did a year ago to where they're at right now? Seventy eight percent. Completion percentage over five thousand yards. Listen to this only the third time ever. There's been a five thousand yard passer to one thousand yard receivers and one one thousand nine rusher only Tulsa and Hawaii back in two thousand seven two thousand and ten have been the same. They are pretty special and they've done it in the SEC. Like auto said when they saw what Alabama was doing an and they just couldn't beat them they had to do something else already. Oh was going to be gone. You know it's interesting too as you start to think back what were some of the offenses it. You can even try to compare air this offense to everything Ben effortless right it's been. It's been so efficient. The accuracy and the effectiveness has been off the charts and the only offense and has come to my mind is the nineteen eighteen eighty nine. HOUSTON cougars guys. Do you remember them yet. Manny Hazard right by me and beating. Read it Hey Mike so you had manny hazard right. Still owns the record for ten point five catches per game yet. Chuck Witherspoon at running back back still owns the FBI record. Nine point six yards per rush yet. Andre where would is been trophy. They scored over sixty points. Five Times scored ninety ninety five points on SMU. And that's really the only offense of Juggernaut that I look back and say Gosh it was so easy it was so effortless and that's kind of what. LSU's been here's what all say what's so impressive about Lsu it's not gimmicky when you look at some of the offensive put up so many big numbers it's because they're going tempo no huddle running plays right now putting up ninety one hundred play the game. I remember playing Oklahoma back when I was a Texas. We play ninety eight plays one game the average is typically around fifty three Lsu. They're just incredibly efficient officiant. Yeah all right so Ryan leave. Let me ask you then. How does Clemson stop this offense? I've been watching film for the past two weeks in I just. I simply can't find a way that they're going to be able to do that. I mean there are two explosive they go to too. Many guys are multiple and then I think back to the national championship a year ago to a Tunga bi-lo hello and that offense those receivers. They came in Josh Jacobs. They were ready to roll that. One of the most prolific offenses. You've ever seen either an Brent Venables with two weeks in preparation put it to them and put it to them early at all night long so that gives me a little bit of confidence what they can do and this is going to be the reason why why he is there. Swiss army knife. You can put them at free safety right. Here they bring a counter blitz a corner cat and they bring the safety over. We're to play corner just six. I got this right. He doesn't even see Isaiah coming from that spot he gets to. That place covers all that area. Look at that length. Thank the length arms of that man and watch Brent Venables. He knows what he's got here. He's going to play out. I would be too number. Eleven is special and he's GonNa be a big part of why they figure out a way to win that game if they do because he's the guy on defense it's going to be the variable for Clemson. Yeah I clemson has two options because their weaknesses. Defensively I feel like her coverage at one safety position and their linebackers and covered. You're not phenomenal. Therefore Insert Insert Isaiah Simmons. He can both play safety and he can play linebacker. It's going to be the most amazing chess match between venables and Joe Brady and Ed being around the offense aside for Lsu. Are You GONNA put Simmons at Linebacker and try to limit the run game and everyone's Hilar- assuming he's GonNa play or are you GonNa put Simmons in the slot and line him up against Justin Jefferson. That's the chestnuts the Brent Venables the defensive coordinator for Clemson is going to have to play all game. And he's going to have to win that test match if he wants to win the game. I'll tell you guys whatever they do stay out of one high where the slot gets isolated on the safety or the linebacker like we saw versus Oklahoma. I think one of the things is it makes Brent Venables in this defense so difficult to contend with is. You don't know where the pressure is coming from. You guys talked about Simmons and the variety of alignments defensively. They they do such a good job of creating some confusion upfront. For the opposition and alignment within their different front seven. Remember they were a four man front dean. The last few years this this year there are three man team because of their personnel five behind in a three team they gotta limit the isolation one on one place in get Joe Borough off-schedule. They've got a win on first and second down so you get Lsu an obvious third down passing situations in come after him. Gentleman is simple as that sounds executions. Houston is going to be key because you're talking about coaching staff that will have fantastic schemes. So can the players actually executed. We'll have our eyes on a Monday night. Let's take a look now at our Progressive Bowl Challenge Cup up with only one game to go the SEC dominated bowl season so far to the tune of seven and two record for the conference but there's still one item left to do on the list. That's win the National Snow Championship. LSU can bring that record to eight and two of the wind while Clemson looks to bring home the ACC fifth win this bowl season speaking of the ACC all trevor ever lawrence coming up. We've been talking about. Joe will deserve a fear. Not We haven't forgotten the greatness of Trevor Lawrence Man's undefeated. We'll take a look at him next. Trevor Lawrence is the best player in all of college football. Nobody even talks about it for the people that sleep trevor. I was keep sleeping any other. The quarterback that's faces adversity folds up and doesn't come back as good travis comeback. He's a thought the ads it anywhere on the field. He can run. The ball is really nothing interpret can't do we go because of what combat to Trombley football presented by Mazda the breaking news today only four days away from the the College Football playoff national championship comes in the form of a big coaching announcement. Mike Leach leaving Washington state to take the Mississippi State job. I'm going to get a breakdown on this we're joined now by. Espn College football reporter. Chris Lowe to give us all the latest Chris. Thanks for the time today. Why leave for this job? If you're Mike Leach you you know. I think Mike had been looking around a little bit. Not that he was gonNA Happy Washes David. Maybe he had sort of gun what he could there and I know he was in play. Arkansas this year was. It's really close to landing the Tennessee. Two years ago with Jeremy PRUITT got the job before John. Curry was fired as soon as these days I just felt like He. You know as Mike Moves. WHO's on in his career? He's on at places where face it. You're probably not supposed to win. I mean he's not supposed to be taxed tack or are you see or some of the seems you'd be Washington Lsu stay. He's off the wall places places that aren't mainstream college football USA and certainly Starkville Mississippi that bill well and and help us figure this out on the show. We've been trying to figure out. What are the expectations? Now if you're Mississippi state bringing them in well let's beyond. Dan Mullen Razer expectation years ago when he took off the number one in the country. Remember up one country in November not September October so the bulldog thanks got a taste of that so it can't be done your division of Have Lsu Texas A&M Alabama Auburn. Mike very desperately desperately needs to get into the surrounding stop guys who can recruit that state in that state have good connections in that state. I think expectations though to be one of those teams that every once in a while. You're at least swimming in the waters in November to have a chance to be in that division race across the other side of it is Washington state. What's next for them? You know I got some good options. I'll tell you to me guy that fits perfectly Jim. mcelwain gyms from that part of the country did a terrific job. The Colorado state went to former didn't end the way he wanted it to but let's be honest he took for the SEC championship game a couple of times. He did a terrific job at central Michigan turning having that job around Alex Cranston other one that these coordinated Oklahoma he was at Washington State under Mike Leach coordinator those tunings keep an eye out Chris. Thanks for the tremendous information on the breaking news. We appreciate you guys. The College Football Playoff National Championship game number number one. LSU number three clemson Monday at eight on ESPN Fizi. It was three years ago today. The Shawn Watson connected with Hunter Renfro famously to help Clemson win the Two Thousand Sixteen National Championship game and and a thirty five year title drought. Here clemson you know. They've only lost twice since then. And that's what you might call a proven record of success. Which is why in all the meetings leading up to Monday's national championship game? The message has been this. Be who we are. It's the idea that this team is built for this moment. And there's no reason to deviate from what has gotten them here. It is also why there's been an emphasis on normalcy and routine on Thursday. The guys had meetings in the afternoon own followed by about a two hour practice. That's their normal Wednesday routine on Friday. They'll gather around nine thirty in the morning for another walk through then have lunch. The guys will get changed and they'll be on those buses about one fifteen to head to the airport. It is very much a business trip. A business trip that Clemson has been on before and these players. I believe that that experience in this situation gives them the advantage. Monday night in New Orleans. Thanks Jen Trevor. Lawrence was spectacular. Tackler in the postseason last year against Notre Dame and Alabama he had a ninety five total. QBR In the last two College Football playoff games last year also threw six touchdowns to know oh picks in two games. He had a total of ten completions. It went for over. Twenty yards averaged three hundred and thirty seven yards in the two games and he delivered when it mattered. The most going fourteen for twenty two with three touchdowns on third down in the College Football Playoff for even more on trevor's numbers. Here's our Brad. Edwards took after dominating the playoffs in his true freshman season expectations. Trevor Lawrence were Skyhawk Guy Hot but for the first half of this season something was missing too few throws were on target to his receivers and way too many went into the hands of opposing players lawyers in the second half of the season Lawrence stop pressing so much for the big play and settled for the smarter play. There was an increased focus on the intermediate range inch five to twenty yards down. Lawrence's accuracy increased with these passes and the Tigers became more prolific on office. That meant fewer deep shots but the renewed confidence Lawrence became more efficient with the long ball and began to look like the QB. We saw at the end of last season since week. Nine Lawrence has the the second best total. QBR In college football fairly behind a guy named borough three months ago people were asking what's wrong with Trevor Lawrence now now with one game to go. He's exactly where we expect him to be as we just saw the tremendous season. The mid season turnaround. Tom Luganville why I think he started being himself once again. I think a year ago we became so conditioned to thinking it was easy right. I mean he just had this flawless season. And then you come into the year with all this hype and anticipation and a few bad throws now all of a sudden the entire narrative changes I. I think he was trying to be what everybody else was expecting him to be instead of. Just being Trevor Lawrence zone covered caused him some problems in the first four or five weeks of the season he was able to work through who some of that not take. As many chances on covered guys downfield and really just settled down. Our broadcast crew have the North Carolina game and he was frustrated he was pressing was pushing the ball wall in. He didn't need to. I think once he stepped away and said you know what I can't worry about all the clutter. I just need to be Trevor Lawrence. That's when everything started to settle down and I also think that maybe this was a little bit of a referendum on that wide receiver room when people were talking about this Pruitt wide receivers the best in the country and when he went down the football field form they. They weren't making the place. Look at Joe. Boroughs receivers. A lot of those passes he threw in the game against Oklahoma were contested and his receivers went up. made it so I think the onus goes on both not only the wide receivers but but the quarterback is well before the season started spoken like a true quarterback Ryan Leaf. I'm GonNa let you slide. Though for that that one to take things literally in a little more analytically players that have been in that position. I just think he started to slack off a little bit. I mean he's human. He's a sophomore in college. He's used to rolling out on the football field and winning every game. He's out there so I doubt he's putting as much time into the film room. Putting as much time in a practice you saw some games. He he just went out there and I was like. I'm GonNa just chuck it up and hope my guys make a play in situations. What he clearly shouldn't have then later on in the season he scaled back in he dialed back in and and he became the freak that we all know? He is one of the best. If not the best quarterback in college football that to me is what really occurred for all that success then. LSU has got to figure out where he's vulnerable loops where is that with L. Defense. I think they're vulnerable. Defending quarterback. Run if you look at the season for for Lsu on on defense they really struggled accounting for that extra gap if you look at the game versus old. Miss Ole miss put up six hundred yards of total offense four hundred yards on the ground. You'RE GONNA see a lot of concepts here with the fuller's upfront. A lot of misdirection and now all of a sudden you got I've violations on defense look at the state. He's he's looking the linebackers. Look at where they're flowing and nobody's accounting for the quarterback. Now Dave Aranda realized that they weren't so much out of position. Their problems were is is took them to where they were supposed to go. You're going to see the same thing here you're GONNA lose contain. You're going to have poor tackling. The whole and the quarterback makes plays with his legs. And if you watch not only the semi final versus Ohio State and you watch the last few games of the season for Clemson. They started to institute a designated run game for Trevor Lawrence. I think that's so important because it changes how you defend the field when you've got to count for that extra gap because the quarterback run the ball. Yeah it it definitely. It clearly. Early was something different that they showed that the end of the season and made Lsu have to prepare for something like this for me. It's the the cornerbacks both Fulton and Stanley against those great big wide receivers because last year and that national championship. It was those guys that failed them at the cornerback position. When those big wide receivers went up top and make plays so you see them playing a lot of men coverage they could be in for a long night? I'm expecting to see a Lotta zone. Make the linebackers do work get out to the flats and do the things they need to do. And be physical a lot lot of press and bail from Singley and a lot of opportunities for double moves against Fulton. And that's where I look for Clemson to attack attack this Lsu defense. Yeah I think right now. We'd all be kind of guessing if we were to say whereas Lsu's defense vulnerable and we'd be guessing because they haven't really shown vulnerabilities owner abilities as of late two point earlier on in the season against Ole miss they showed they were vulnerable to the. QB RUN QB ran as a defensive player. It's actually really easy to stop like. He showed him the second clip. If you were on your PS and QS Lsu is shown vulnerability at times through the passing game. But they're extinct right now. He's been balling so can then get going knowing. Can they find a way to exploit a weakness but again the trick is it. LSU vulnerable because we haven't seen the trick is can clemson find a way to exploit any of LSU potential vulnerabilities. That's what it comes down to Clemson good enough to make LSU crack under all that pressure well all of this conversation Mercedes about the offensive side of the ball remembers player on the defensive side of the ball that we also need to keep an eye on his name is is as Simmons. We'll we'll give you a little bit more than Isaiah Simmons coming up throughout the course of the show and what makes perfect. That's a big word. But he gets there also the College Alex. Football playoff foundation is the largest sports entities supporting education in America over the past five years. It's nationwide extra yard for teachers. Initiative has invested over thirty million in education in partnership with ESPN various conferences schools. And Bowl Games over two hundred and fifty thousand teachers and five point. Five million students have been directly. Impacted packed the program as we enter our six postseason. 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Monday night's championship game. It's possible the player on the defensive side of the ball is actually the most important and that is Clemson linebacker. isiah Simmons the wipe out the Middle Freak. The unique can't pilion as one thing. I'm bringing something into the game that no one else can bring to the game. Simmons is one of the country's most dynamic defenders the imposing physical presence the speed and athleticism. He developed the track. Say tracks definitely helped me I grew up having Jamaican coaches ages. You run the time that told me to run or do it again. They make me cry. Every Thursday had to run two seconds. Second off of what my pr was and my four hundred. And if anything more than that. I had built me town. Savagery worthy now growing up in Kansas his diverse get unrefined skill. Set made it difficult for college football programs to pinpoint persimmons fit best ask then weeks before signing j Simpson came along with an author. I remember walking to school in my high school head coach. I call me and he was like have you talked to venables. That is I had. No knowledge of Clemson was all Clemson. What some tigers have won the national championship against the Alabama Crimson Time? After that I started looking at him and I was okay. So that's his team is what we loved about him was we had this great range. He has a track background. But you turn the tape on always always very natural when it came to physical nature of the game. Some people offered him as a lot out. I didn't see him as that his future was going to be. It has a defensive player. Safety Simmons impact wasn't immediate red shirted. His first season was on the Clemson track team while he built his body for football and 2017. He showed flashes a defensive back but it wasn't until his sophomore season that he found a home as a hybrid linebacker. A physician tailor made for his blend of power and speed. He can go play. Safety can play in the box he can blitz the quarterback he can cover. It was just not a box. You can't can't check. I've never really had a quite like him. I constantly remind our teammates travis. Just because I'm bigger than you. I'm I'm still fascinating you I love to get out there. Everyone's like no I kind of I cannot say he won the first one we did race again. It's not on camera. I one that he might not admit it. But everybody knows I'm on that one after this season and we're going to have the final tiebreaker during track growing it just gave me all of my abilities that have like my explosiveness my quickness and just power. I'm a firm believer. That track is the reason that I was able to become become nasty than I am. David Hale the report. They're the numbers back. Up the height Simmons led the Tigers Thirteen tackles for loss. Six Saxton season remember. He only had thirteen and one and a half. In his first two years combined he will have to be at his best once again on Monday. Night for Clemson so the question now is his. What makes him great? Tom Luganville why is he so good. He's a Unicorn. There's nobody like him in in college. Football I think pound for pound. He's the best defensive player air because of the scheme versatility and because of the range in all of college football over two hundred snaps safety over two hundred snaps at linebacker over two hundred snaps at corner owner. And in today's game we are in a space UPTEMPO. Spread Horizontally spreadsheet vertically type game and what people want to do they want to catch you on the field with the wrong personnel. Clemson could literally do a ten play drive on defense and not have to change personnel regardless of what the offense is doing because of Isaiah. Simmons that allows allows Brent Venables a ton of flexibility in by the way youngsters recruiting. Don't over train and don't focus on one sport. Isaiah Simmons was a multi sport athlete. And it's is one of the reasons why he is a premier football player right now. Yeah I will not insult Isaiah Simmons by calling him a linebacker because gentleman. I was a linebacker and Simmons can do and what I can do or two completely different things. One of his team said if you were to create a player you create a Simmons you quite possibly couldn't because on men the rating stop from where I would take Isaiah Simmons the losers point. The dude is a complete terror and to talk a little details of how are we is. He's fast enough to guard receivers man-to-man so usually when you bring your linebacker out of the game and bring in your extra cornerback to guard the slot receiver the inside or I assume that says. Hey stay on the bench. I got this when usually when you would bring that linebacker into now. Play the run game if they're gonNA ground and pound you SAM and says don't worry about it. I got this so Isaiah. Simmons is so good because he can quite literally like Luke said. Do everything and with Brent Venables defense offense he gives you so much pre snap and then completely different posts nap. You can put Isaiah Simmons almost anywhere and he can be in a completely different spot in. The quarterback is looking down the field. We looked at play earlier. When that exactly happy lined up at free safety ended up over the top making the interception so he is a Unicorn? That's exactly why they call them. Mahabir linebacker many teams have different names for different kinds of players in their their back end. Why Not Unicorn the interesting things are going to be see how we used and then how? LSU accounts on every single snap. So we'll keep an eye on that in the meantime let's take a look at. What's what's in store this postseason brought to you by macy's well got one game left in its big one? Lsu Clemson for all the glory Levy covered from quite literally all the angles main telecast on Espn Field Pass on ESPN two film room on the you if you want it. We've got it a Monday night. Going to be an epic way to watch all of the action as it happens. The meantime on Monday some of the greatest players in college football football today will be on the field for coming next move reveal some of the greatest players of all time and all of us. Thank you to all teachers. You're watching college. Football live presented by. Don't miss out on the biggest weekend in College Football National Championship weekend in New Orleans whether your favorite team is in the game or not to learn about all of the events and festivities planned for College Football Playoff Championship campus. All you have to do is go to college. Football playoff dot com to get all your information in the meantime. We're working our way down to the best college football players ever and today we're reviewing number twenty six hundred and fifty plenty of great names in the group including putting the one and only Dion Sanders at twenty six jerry rice thirty two Charles Woodson. The only defensive player to win the Heisman at forty. One you can't have a list without having debate so Tom Luganville biggest surprise on the list. We're looking at well. If Dion Sanders is number twenty six I want to know who's in the top ten Charles Woodson. It's number twenty six. I want to know who's in the top ten who we miss it. Here Fellas Dion Sanders at twenty six. Now listen coming from somebody that had responsible for having to put together rankings rankings. I can tell you. It's an impossible task. Prime thing Lou. I feel take take beef with prime beef with Charles Woodson but this person. I'll take a whole bunch of beef with Vince. John how you got him at number eighty one eighty one. I mean the dude is arguably the Best College football player in college football history. He put the whole team on his back. And Not one. But two rose bowls as two-time rose bowl. MVP He ended. What could have been the Best Dynasty Greatest Dynasty in college football with the early two thousand? And you've got my man John that we bring it back to texted baby at eighty one. My head hurts. My whole head hurts. You know when I noticed this list there was a lot of. I think emphasis on a college list with pro attributes. John Elway John Elway at thirty thirty three right. I don't think they ever won. Over seven games he wasn't you know wasn't gonNA great stats. Thirty third spunk. That there were three individuals. Joel's I was heisman. Finalists with Randy. Moss Charles Woodson Peyton Manning. I notice that Peyton. Manning isn't on the list. How's that possible? Oh the top. Twenty Five hasn't been released yet. Did I get that part. So unless we're looking somewhere else. John elway was a little surprised for me. Tim Tebow a little high to Tim. Tebow for me was arguably one of the Greatest College College football players of all time. Leave a minute here. Voiding religious sentiments. Exactly Ted Ed. I'm not one to to my own horn. Okay do me Tim to to talk about talking about the Houston offense earlier than ninety seven Washington state offense five hundred and fifty yards per game forty nine points per game to Lsu elway. Elway didn't play in a rose bowl content. I'm here for we're going to start a campaign to get Ryan Leaf. Put on this list. uh-huh one thing is for sure. Remember the rest of the list is going to be out there It'll be revealed before the game itself and then a during the championship game on Monday there will be some players out on the field that are in the top off the top of this right Peyton manning we haven't seen yet I'm presuming. We will at some point coming up some college football players become cultural phenomenon. Domino's we'll tell you about one. The Next College Football Live Kelly Age. Football Li- is presented by the first-ever Mazda C the X.. Thirty feel by Saturday noon eastern ABC and the ESPN that we'll have the NFC championship game between fifteen and a number one. North Dakota state and number two James Madison and Toyota Stadium in Frisco Texas the Bison the defending Champs FCS record thirty six straight games including the title seven of the last eight years. That's what we'd like to call very very good. Speaking of very very good. This happened last night. Gentlemen pay attention. It was very very good back in one thousand nine hundred ninety eight football fans ends debated who was the NC Double A.'s. Best quarterback Peyton manning or this Washington State University Cougar. Their pro careers went opposite ways. James Lewis Ryan Lee Right O.. Rien leave what's it feel like. That's remarkable I didn't think they need that Lacerra Bro What's up with zero. I wrote down. How much practice did you have with that gentleman after hours like look when they ask you this question say Ryan Lee okay? It's Ryan Leaf. I I can't believe that that was especially with everybody. Watch unless like my mother even watched it and she texted me about it. So I you know for me that in itself being linked to Peyton manning and having the year that we had. I'm just really proud of that football team and what we accomplished. Don't talk that's not your screensaver. Yeah don't act like you wouldn't make it your screensaver though. I'm just saying jeopardy question. You make that your screensaver. All Day. Lewis they were GONNA ask you jeopardy question about Tom. Lujambio what would it be. What Current F. B. S. head coach? Did Tom Loganville. Throw an interception to on Thanksgiving Day in Nineteen ninety-four who is it was real must champ. Lui Look at that. We've got okay. We'll keep the theme going out. You give us the jeopardy question. Go with this win and it's because I still take beef with the man to my left right. Whatever side of the screen dollar on? WHO DID Tom? Tom Logan bill severely under rate and. ESPN two thousand eight. Three hundred okay. So severely underrated. This man had me ranked like the thirty thousand words linebacker. But it's all good. I'm over it now. I promise he doesn't feel like it's all good. The stormers mad still hanging on the stars Louisville's holden that with to constantly. Hey just a reminder for everybody watching college football. I've obviously the national championship impeach. Him Game is Monday. We've told you that over and over again but you can also watch college. Football live coming from New Orleans live. They'll be down there and the guys that get you all set for the game right before it happens. There's a ton pre-game action to shameless plug check out the digital show that we'll be doing seven. PM on the ESPN APP twitter. 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The Chris and Joe Show Offseason Mailbag: Tackle Prospects, Keeping players, and more

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23:16 min | 9 months ago

The Chris and Joe Show Offseason Mailbag: Tackle Prospects, Keeping players, and more

"I'm Songwriter Charlie. Harding and I'm use ecology made Sloan or the host of switched on Papa podcasts about the making and meaning of popular music every week Charlie and I breakdown down the most interesting hits trends artists to understand what they're doing what they're saying and why the songs are so infectious. We've recently broken down. Billy Billy eyelashes music with her brother and collaborator phidias dissecting chance the rapper with super producer Oak felder and covered everything from Dolly Parton to try to Scott. If you love music you're going to discover something ear opening in switched on pop so join US search for switched on pop in your favorite podcast APP and listen to an episode about your favorite every artist and subscribe for free on Apple podcasts. spotify or wherever you're listening to get new music explainers every week and after listening you might want to check out at our new book switched on pop how Popular Music Works and why it matters at your favorite bookseller. Thanks hello and welcome to the Kristen. Joe Show presentative. ISP Nation and big blue view. I'm Joe Jillian. During my Chris Foam and we are on to the next mailbag episode of the third installment of the off season mailbag a perfect wonderful opportunity for you to ask questions things about free agents draft prospects that you want to know a little bit more about. There's plenty of time to learn. We haven't even gotten to the combine yet. We've got a couple of months until the draft in free agency hit so. I'm sure you have plenty of questions which is exactly why we are answering in hitting on those very specific things. If you ever want to send us a question you can Senate directly into our facebook page. We do make a posting usually the day of when we record on Thursday so be on the lookout for that but you can also send it to us on social media at Big Blue View and you can set it to our email account big blue view at g mail DOT com. Why don't we get right on into these questions as we have here? Chris we have five of them. All of them are great in the first one is from our K.. MENSA and his question is if the giants go whoa trade down like a lot of people say they should which we are a lot of people we are saying that to which team do y'all think will be most likely to search make that trade with the giants if the draft happened today because free agency hasn't happened yet and what do you think they give up. I would say one of the most likely teams to make that trade up is the Los Angeles chargers. They're a little bit further back in that top ten range. There's been a clear indication that they're not continuing with Philip rivers. It is a matter of if they are going to be bringing in a a veteran quarterback but as of right now. And if we're trying to make this trade right now I would say all signs point to drafting someone young in new. And you can't get beat out by other there. Teams like the panthers or the raiders in trading up. So I would say. The chargers are a good option. In terms of what they would be willing to give up. I would be trying to milk because I'm for multiple first round picks Swapping picks a pick next year. And then if you can get an additional first rounder or turn that into a second round pick somewhere in that range I think is a is a fair deal for a couple spot. Move Up. Yeah I was going to sit in the chargers as well because while every reason you just mentioned so so I am going to go a slightly different direction. I'm going to try to stay in the top ten and say the Jacksonville Jaguars. The jags could decide into role with nick. Foles Gardner Menchu quarterback but I'm not sure either one of those are really attractive options. Since you know Menchu played better than I think anyone thought he might. Yeah he was kind of a fun prospect coming out of Washington state. He's got the hair a headband. He's got all kinds of very unique swagger. But I'm not sure if you want to trust a trust or roster. AUSTER that is you think is capable of winning now to Gardner Menchu as your franchise quarterback especially when you have a very are- attractive draft class with a really strong top four with Joe Borough to attack of Jordan Love Justin herber. And as for what you get for that trade you know moving back a little bit further I would ask for both of Jacksonville's first round picks they have ninth overall pick which would keep the giants inside of the top ten. They also have the Los Angeles Rams Pick for the jalen Ramsey trade which would be Twentieth Overall Jacksonville is also underwater with the salary cap so they might not be able to afford to pay two first first round picks so you might be able to get that get those from them now if the giants could get those two picks and then maybe something else maybe a third round pick or yet a future pack that would that would be gravy but if the judge can get those two first round picks then they might be cooking the other thing too with the Jacksonville. Jaguars Gore's situation. We're not entirely sure how they feel about nick. Foles at the moment that is taking up a lot of their cap space right now. So hypothetically if after free agency see the giants are still sitting with a decent amount of room and they don't feel like they're going to be making any other moves. There is potential for the giants being too will willingly eat a bunch of that that cap space for the Jaguars which could ultimately include more draft compensation. That's just speculation. It's not really ideal situation. But if they try to work out some type of trade so the Jaguars can move up. I'm sure that will be discussed because like you said right now. They are in a horrible position Asian with their cap situation and trying to clear. Some stuff out is really ideal for them. I think the other team that needs to be watched. And maybe isn't the most obvious obvious. One is the Miami Dolphins. And I've been saying this and we've both been saying this is that if you're getting phone calls from other teams like the Los Angeles chargers like the Jacksonville Jaguars any of those teams. You need to immediately call the Miami Dolphins and let them know. Hey we're getting these phone because if you WANNA trade up and get to our Justin Herbert you better do it. Quick because we're about to make a deal with someone else really kinda catches them off guard and catch them in a spotter. Try and get a them in a really difficult situation so they'd be willing to send a lot of picks towards the giants. It's very similar to what the forty niners in bears did a couple of years ago in which the bears moved so they could get Mitchell trubisky. It's just about not so much. Just tricking them but trying to play their hand and see if they're willing to risk it. Yeah if you could get them so they are willing to give up some kind of draft capital even if just to move up one spot and stop another team from getting their guy now. This is of course assuming that Miami doesn't trade up to second overall overall third overall with the Redskins or lions to get their guy. Whether that's Herbert or Loa. Just giving them that opportunity to just make sure they get their guy and the giants would still be able to get whoever their targeting and a little bit extra. You know just a little bit extra capital. That is something they should absolutely do. Yeah the there's no harm in making that phone call and if you can get if you can get more from Jacksonville or the chargers or who knows. Maybe even the raiders. I'm still not quite sure anybody really knows what's going on there. These are all scenarios that the giants pretty much uh-huh it to them selves to explore. Certainly they do need to explore it and they can become very rich from the situation considering the amount of available quarterbacks rex in the this year's draft class and also it is worth acknowledging that maybe some teams WanNA trade up in early on in the second round to take someone like Jordan Jordan love or any of the other later mid round quality quarterbacks. We're GONNA have to see what happens if the giants are willing to even take those phone calls because the giants have not been overly willing to trade back we have another trade back question which will be getting too soon but our next question is from Jason Lick on Instagram. What sides of the ball are the G.? Men more likely to draft versus free agency. Well I would say. The clearest is offensive line. It's easier to draft an offensive lineman than it is to spend a ton of money on somebody and free agency. The last time we saw the giants spent a ton. The money on an offensive Lineman in free agency was neat solar and that didn't exactly work out situationally for the giants because he's he's playing under the quality for the value of his contract the other position I would say to his linebacker and on the most recent show. If you haven't listened to it already the first thing addresses that there are not many available linebackers and free agency worth giving a ton of money to so linebacker. This year is is another the one that fits that mold of what sides of the ball or most likely to draft yet out say the giants will try to try to use both free agency and the draft to address both sides of the ball. Now the question is where they go with each position in each phase of the off season I could see them making a run at Jack Conklin Glenn to try to plug that hole at right tackle. Get A guy who has basically already been developed you know can play at the. NFL level is still reasonably a young. And that way. You don't have to worry about going through those rookie. Hick ups the bumps in the road all that stuff with a second year quarterback back there. If they can't get Jack Conklin phys price tag is above what the giants WanNa pay or if he goes somewhere else maybe he never even hits free agency. We don't now than I would definitely look look to the draft but also just historically Dave gettleman has preferred to use free agency to address the offensive offensive line. He that's what he did in Carolina for the most part that's what he's done in New York for the most part now I think wide receiver that will probably be a position that gets drafted just because of the scarcity of decent wideouts in free agency and there are a ton of them in the draft. Hopefully linebacker is another position that again. They will look to in the draft. which is something we're going to be talking about over the next couple of questions I think and then finally pass rusher that? I think they might try on that. Might I think they should try in free agency and the draft to add real players to that position get a veteran and get a young guy with some good upside upside in the draft. Our next question is from parent. I nine on instagram. If the giants Pick Isaiah Simmons in the first round is there a good offensive of tackled to be picked in late arounds. And Heck this questions right in the Ballpark of you Chris Because you've been grinding audiotape. On all of these later around offensive tackles hackles but one thing I will say before you start to rattle off the real big names to know in this in this realm. I think that right now. It's a bit up in the the air where some of these tackles lie. There's some draft evaluators they consider guys to be in the top ten and some some other guys that others are deemed to be in the top ten to be second round quality prospects. So the good thing about this year's tackle class is that it's relatively deep. I wouldn't say that there's a huge varying difference between the top five or so guys so realistically you could get a very very good tackle hackel in the second round with the with their with their early pick in the second round. Yeah it really depends on how that first round false else. Where whether or not a guy like Mekki Becton who Daniel Jeremiah? Mock to the giants at fourth overall the draft network has him twenty first overall. I wonder if he doesn't drop to the top of the second round. I think the combine will play a big role in that if the giants go somewhere else else in the first round. I'm looking at Austin Jackson at USC. At the top of the second round he has a lot of these guys have a lot of work to do with their technique and things like that Austin Jackson Prince when they they have all the athleticism you can ask for. They've got row ready frames for the most part. They can both stand. Add a little bit of mass but now that'll come they can move. They've got really almost prototypical. NFL frames zero six. Five six six long arms than going back maybe to back into the third round the top of the fourth round paying on again. How things go? I'm a big Fan of Jack. Actress goal out of Auburn and Calvin Throckmorton out of Oregon. Both of those guys they are they have worked as far as their as far as fitting into the NFL archetype for an offensive tackle. But they get the job done you know. They kind of remind me a little bit of Justin Pugh. Not as good as he was coming out not nearly as good because obviously he was a first rounder but maybe a little bit undersized but really smart guys very versatile can move. They can use the tools they have to make up for. Maybe I'm not having that Typical length or the prototypical size and they also a really tough guys. They will fight a defensive linemen to do whatever they have to keep their quarterback upright to make their block and just win that rep or at the very released not lose the rap those guys driscoll throckmorton there two guys. I really like to see the giants target a little bit later in the draft and then two other guys that could be in that second round range that are starting to rise from their performances at the senior Bowl Josh Jones from Huston and then Ben Bartsch the small schooler from Saint. John's and both of them could be right there. That could have that quality first round talented. Some people are saying are in that range but still need a little bit of developing helping the. This is a very deep tackle class but like you said it's a lot of guys to that. Have the perfect frame. Have the right build but just needs to develop and be a little bit more fine tuned in their technique in a number of other things. We're going to transition to two more questions but before we do that we're gonNA take a very short commercial break last two questions here on the mailbag and this one is via email j. b. sent us an email asking. I know you said you're not fully fully there yet when analyzing the draft in some of the players in it but it seems that Simmons and Beckton or becoming early favorite picks if you had to pick right now how simmons or backed in in the first round which position would you prioritize a massive tackled to protect Jones or a do it all linebacker. Lastly lastly is the year of the trade down. Will they finally do something a little bit differently and will judges Patriot influence sway getty so. Why don't we unpack this first question? I'm not entirely sure. If Becton is the clear. Cut Offense of tackle for them at four. I think that third needs to be a little bit more digging done on him because like I said it's a little bit up in the air. Who is going to be that guy because some people have becton more as a later first round prospect like you said Daniel Jeremiah? Really really liked him as that force guy in the first tackle off the board. I'm not entirely sure if I'm so sold on him as that. Fourth overall guy but in terms of Simmons. I still think that you prioritize Simmons over any of the tackles because I think Simmons is a bit more or clear cut of what you're getting compared to some of these other offense of tackles. Yeah I I am not ready to go to fourth overall with Becton. I still have a a lot of work to do on him. And I think I'm going to be holding off on really being firm about him until after the combine. I WanNa see him on the on field in the onfield drills. I want to see him on the same field. As Andrew. Thomas interest in worse. Jesuit wills and end you know maybe a lot of the other guys who we might have as second or third round prospects right now on tape. Becton is just a massive and massively powerful lineman he. He moves bigger than he moves better than anyone as big as he is has has any right to move but is that enough to say he should be the guy at fourth overall. I'm not there yet. Maybe I will be but I'm not there yet. So so almost by Default Isaiah. Simmons is the guy for me out of those to the second part of this question though addressing whether or not this is is the year the trade down. You can't really guarantee that they're going to trade down or not I would say all signs are pointing to them being in position to do who. So we acknowledged that there are a ton of teams that are willing and in positions to make moves for quarterbacks they're desperately currently in need of that young franchise piece otherwise. They're gonNA have to wait until next year if they. Don't get one of those top tier guys. First Round quarterbacks tracks will make any team willing to move up. It's just a matter of if giant giants are fueling those calls and if they're willing to trade back and risk missing out on some players. I think this really is kind of two questions in one. I think this is the year. The giants absolutely should be feeling. Those questions are feeling those phone phone calls an absolutely should be thinking seriously about trading back there in a very good position with a good quarterback class and a number of teams behind them who have already basically signaled that they are in the market for a quarterback. You put out those signals. You let the people know that you are open for business now. Is this the year that they do trade down. I'm not so sure unless something it happens and chase young slit to them at four. You know again. Maybe you get those two trades up to separate. Ah Get those two traits. Second and third overall and quarterbacks go one two three that I think is the absolute best case scenario for the giants CI- but if it's between Isaiah Simmons a tackle in a trade down I think trading down is your best chance to maximize the value of the pick. I am not sure if having a rookie head coach who was with the Patriots is enough to convince Dave gettleman to basically do something he has never done before he is still the general manager he is still in charge and I think he is going to do whatever he thinks is best and if that means sticking to the board end drafting whatever player a he has greeted highest. I think that is what's going to happen now if there are multiple guys with the same grade and they're getting they're getting those phone calls. NEC's value they are there then. I think that's when the trade does happen. I also think another thing that does play into. This is if someone trades in front of the giants up with the Redskins or the lions to put themselves in a position for a quarterback. I think that would be a domino domino effect for other teams to do so. We've seen that happened in the past that the minute that somebody does trade up to put themselves in a position to draft their next franchise quarterback other teams have followed suit. I think a good example is when the rams traded up to be in position to get jared Goff and then the eagles followed immediately after in trading up so that they could get Carson Wentz so if other people are willing to move up that could also very well influenced the situation of deciding to to trade back and out of that. Pick allow someone to take a quarterback the final question we have is from Danny one on one three four on instagram and he asked will. The giants re-sign Marcus golden or Leonard. Williams who is more valuable for the team mm-hmm I'm not so sure if they're going to sign either of them but if I were to pick one of the two I would probably say Marcus. Golden they have less talent and depth at ATP pass rusher than they do along the defensive line especially considering Leonard Williams is going to be seeking very hefty contract despite not really having the production to back it yet. That's where I'm going to go to. The giants can get Leonard Williams for today. Ed put his number right around eight million. That's still kind of too rich for me. Considering that Leonard Williams produced less than Olson despite getting being more reps I would say if giants could get Williams for around five million. That's not too much of a departure. Brum what they would have been paying third the third round pick had. They actually gotten him as a rookie. Instead of trading that pick for Williams I think as a number to pass rusher golden has more or value. He doesn't get pressure as consistently as as Williams does but he finishes which is something Williams just does not do a pressure is good. Pressure is is production but sacks are better and I think just if you're going to be paying the same amount of money I would rather give it to somebody who is at a position you I don't have as much depth that and does get those tax a right that is going to be it from us on the third installment of the mailbag show here on the Chris. Joe Show mixture you go and rain. Subscribe wherever you're listening to us and also false on social media at Big Blue View and you can follow me and Chris at Joe Delia. We own and at Raptor M._K..

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'Valentine's Views' podcast: Wrapping up Combine Day 3

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26:10 min | 8 months ago

'Valentine's Views' podcast: Wrapping up Combine Day 3

"I'm Songwriter Charlie. Harding and I'm use ecology made Sloan or the host of switched on Papa podcasts about the making and meaning of popular music every week Charlie and I breakdown. The most interesting hits trends artists to understand what they're doing what they're saying and why the songs are so infectious. We've recently broken down. Billy eyelashes music with her brother and collaborator dissecting chance the rapper with Super Producer. Oak felder and covered everything from Dolly Parton to try to Scott. If you love music you're going to discover something ear opening in switched on pop so join US search for switched on pop in your favorite podcast APP and listen to an episode about your favorite artists and subscribe for free on Apple podcasts. Spotify or wherever you're listening to get new music explainers every week and after listening you might want to check out. Our new book switched on Pop. How POPULAR MUSIC. Works and why it matters at your favorite bookseller. Thanks New York giants fans and welcome to a new addition of the Valentine's cast here on big radio. I'm your host Valentine of Big Blue View. Today's show will be my final show from Indianapolis where I've been covering the NFL scouting. Combine this week. I'll be heading back to to my home in upstate. New York Friday so this will be. This'll be my last show from here in Indianapolis you've enjoyed the coverage that we've provided both here on the Valentine's US podcast in all of the stuff that we've been giving you on big blue view dot com as well hope that That all of that has has been insightful. Informative and enjoyable for you. I know I've enjoyed my time here in Indianapolis Anyway. Today's show is going to focus on the linebackers. Obviously we know that the New York giants have not selected a linebacker in the first round since Carl banks in nineteen eighty four headed chance today to to talk with several linebacker prospects including one who could possibly be the selection for the giants at number for that being. Isaiah Simmons of Clemson also spoke with yet or mottos gross or excuse me yet or Gross Mahto. Cy always always get that wrong. Linebacker from Penn State Kayla von. Jason of Ellis. You also spoke with sack. Bond linebacker from Wisconsin. Let's before. We play the audio from those guys. Let's let's talk a little bit about about. Some of them was really impressed. Listening to to Isaiah Simmons speak. He was asked if he considers himself a linebacker. And interestingly you know he said my position is defense not linebacker not safety not cornerback not defensive and he said my position is defense considers a position. Louis Player said that that the NFL is a league. That with guys. Like George kiddle with guys like Travis Kelsey with the tight ends and running backs being featured so much in the passing game that the players with with skill sets like his are needed more and more on defense position. Guys that can run. That can go sideline to sideline. Who can who can cover those kinds of players so you know? I was very impressed by him. He spoke a lot about About guys that. He emulates guys who he studies. Interestingly the guy that he mentioned I was not a linebacker. It was to run Matthew of the the Kansas City chiefs. He said because Matthew does so many things for the chiefs prior to that for the the Arizona cardinals so he's an interesting interesting guy. Don't know to be honest with you. The giants will take him at four. And you know my gut instinct. Is that depending on. How FREE AGENCY GOES IF If the draft were to be held today I believe it would be an offensive tackle. Know we focused. The other day on offensive tackles like MCI Beckton in the you know some some of the other. Top offensive tackles in the class. Andrew Thomas of Georgia being another one who? I had a chance to speak to this week but We'll see how free agency goes. I'm of the belief that if the giants are able to sign a right tackle in free agency in any obvious target is Jack Conklin. I'm of the belief that that opens up the board a little bit for the giants and that perhaps it puts a player. Like Isaiah Simmons in play at number four. So we'll see how that all pans out but Hopefully you know when we get to the audio clips From from Simmons in a little bit. Hopefully you'll enjoy those. As I said also spoke to yetter gross mottos of Penn State and the fun part about speaking to him was the fact that he was coached at Penn. State by SEAN SPENCER KNOWN AS COACH CHAOS. Who is now with the New York giants as the defensive line coach and we? We talked with with gross models about coach Spencer. Very very high praise for coach. Spencer said that he really earns the name coach chaos simply with the energy that he displays with the motivation that with the the motivational tactics that he uses with players said that he would love to play for coach. Spencer again credited him with a lot of his success at Penn State. And now that's a that's a pairing. Gross motto is a guy who is generally looked at at least at this point in time is a guy who could go off the board late in the first round might not be available to the giants at thirty six so it would seem unlikely that the giants could pair those two again put. Gross models is on the board at thirty six and the giants didn't take an edge player with their first overall pick. Didn't take a guy like Simmons or or weren't lucky enough to have someone like chase young fall to them at number four which I think is highly highly unlikely you know then gross models would be a guy who would be a consideration in that spot another guy who would be a consideration in that spotty sack bond of Wisconsin had a chance to speak with him today and he spoke very Very eloquently about the bond between Wisconsin players was asked specifically about Linebacker Ryan Conley fifth round pick from the giants a year ago and spoke very very Eloquently about Connolly in about how much he would love to play with Conley again being really interesting. Pairing to see the giants have to Wisconsin off ball linebackers in Connolly in Bonn playing for them. Next season you know bond is a guy who spent most of his career. Wisconsin you playing on. The edge was asked at the senior bowl to play more in an off ball capacity. Believes that he is a guy who could do both at the NFL level. Who could be a lot of who could be used in a lot of different ways a little bit like Simmons although maybe not as safety maybe not as a cornerback but could be used both off the edge and in an off ball capacity? You're rushing the passer doing some some some coverage so interesting guy. He's also one who's quite often mocked to the giants in the second round. When you look at mock drafts. That do multiple rounds. So he's a name to remember spoke also with Kayla von Jason of Lsu in. He would seem unlikely to become a giant because he's not really in the conversation for For the top ten and he's probably going to be off the board long before the giants get a chance to pick at thirty six. But you never know what might happen if the giants drop down and and the interesting thing that Chason said was that he feels like everything that he's done so far at Lsu everything he did in college was largely based off of raw talent. He feels like he will benefit greatly from NFL coaching. He said that if you graded where he is on the development curve on a on a zero to ten scale he said he feels like he's only at a three and yet he had a terrific college career at Lsu. He feels like there's a ton of growth left in his game. Feels like there's a you know there that his skill set as we talked about. Some of the other guys is one where he can be used in a in a variety of ways coming off the edge and he's a little bigger than some of these other guys. I think he weighed in this week. At the combine at two hundred and fifty four pounds so another interesting guy one to maybe keep in mind if the giants execute a trade down or if they're able to to execute a trade where they pick up another first round draft pick. I don't know that that's a likely scenario. I don't know that the giants can package that fourth overall pick in actually get a second first round. Pick out of it but chase on would be a player to To think about with a with a pick somewhere after ten somewhere between ten and twenty in the draft possibly at this point so just another interesting player to to think about before we before we get to the audio clips from some of these young men that I know you guys will WanNa hear. I just wanted to briefly. Talk for a second about these. Tom Brady to the giants rumors that that keep floating around the Internet. I just want I just want to say about that that I find them completely ridiculous. I find them. I find that whole the whole concept of Tom. Brady you know to the giants at this point to be stupid to be honest with you. That's that's really the only way that I can put it. I believe the rumors. I don't buy the rumors. I think it all comes from all of this stuff that that the giants created by by coach. Joe Judge Not Using Daniel Jones name by not being willing to you know to commit and say. Joneses are starting quarterback You know in the fact that obviously came from the New England patriots. So obviously you see where when you put two and two together that that someone could could come out in and create that rumor. Now look as I said. I think it's stupid. I would think it would be stupid for the giants to sign Tom. Brady to begin with you have Daniel Jones. You're not going to rebuild the giants. You're not going to to build this team around a forty three year old quarterback you have what Joe Judge admitted. The other day was very very young roster. It's the same situation that it was in that. It was with manning a year ago. It made no sense once. The giants began to lose games at simply as much as I loved. Eli Manning it made no sense for the thirty eight year old men in to be playing. It makes absolutely no sense for the New York giants to sign Tom Brady at the age of forty. Three with a young roster. That's not ready to win a super bowl. That's not ready to make that kind of of championship run because it's not going to help Daniel Jones. I'm not buying this. Daniel Jones needs to sit behind a veteran quarterback stuff that that some people are are trying to peddle as a reason for signing. Tom Brady Daniel. Jones played some really good football for a rookie in the NFL. A year ago. A guy that didn't have the best offensive line in front of him. There's absolutely no reason at this point for the giants. Do something like sign a Tom Brady or sign anyone else for that matter. You know to play in front of Daniel Jones. So the the idea of Tom Brady. I just find that whole thing I I I find it stupid. I find it silly. I find it to be nonsense. And yet it's typical. Nfl OFF SEASON PRE agency. You know sort of rumor mill fodder. It'll it'll create page views. It'll sell newspapers. It'll get it'll get clicks on podcasts. Like this one. So somebody's out there peddling it and and I think it's nonsense so I if it actually were to happen I would think it would be stupid as I said in you know and I just don't see any reason for for the New York giants do something like that. I think it would really be the wrong way for the Joe. Judge era in New York to begin and I I would think that it's simply I I just. I would be flabbergasted if something like that were to happen all right now that I've Now that I've gotten that off my chest let's take a short break for a word from our sponsors when we come back you'll hear the audio from the various players that I was able to speak with at the combine on Thursday. In between each of those you'll hear Joe Daley own. Who Co hosts the Chris Enjo- show? You will hear Joe as he transitions from one player to the other. Joe Helped me out by cutting some of that audio for me. Kudos to Joe for for for doing that for me and he'll he'll break those up so that you know exactly which player you're listening to hope. You hope you enjoy those giants fans. Hello this is Jesse David Fox. I'm a senior vulture and I host the podcast. Good one a podcast about jokes. It's a podcast about well jokes. Every week I sit down with a comedian comedy writer or director who list one of their jokes and figure out how it all came together. I don't sit down with a pen and a pad and physically write down everything I just has not my style turns out comedians. Take jokes pretty seriously. I like all jokes. Okay that's what I do. That's what I live or there's really nothing else I care about. A- It's all very revealing. What did you sort of learn from this. What was your takeaway? Nothing guy not. I'm not sure mar curse good one from culture and the box media podcast network. Subscribe for free on Apple podcasts. Or on your favorite podcast APP. You do not use the puck effort. Let a great question Jesse David Fox up I from day three the NFL combine. We're going to hear from a reoccurring pick in most mock drafts for the New York giants. And that's Clemson's Isaiah Simmons. Now he's listed as a linebacker but he still the most versatile prospect in this year's draft class taking snaps at corner safety and Linebacker as well as a pass rusher. Simmons is GonNa talk a little bit about who he is as a player in his positional versatility as well as how his family has shaped his personality. I think it's really beneficial for me because I know life years ago. It wasn't good to be a position this guy but now it's became a benefit just for all the versatility. They'll be able to play linebacker. Play safety whatever it is. I just helped me everything I did in college. Who just kind of like a Swiss army knife moving around and I really able to show it. I can really do. I would say I'm really tied down to one position. So coach Venables. He really used me in a in a really special way that most people aren't able to be used favorite road I mean I like it senses much I like the sack so I really have a favorite types like I said mentally. There's anything I can't do. I played every position except for a nose or three so I wanNA come down to it. I'm trying to do anything I can. Yes Oh coming out of high school a lot of people they they WANNA be some athlete. Some decide defense safety but I just knew I had the opportunity at content. That's one main reasons I picked. It is just opportunities. Presented never promised nothing there and I did the coaches. We're GonNa make me the best possibly could be going there. Yes Oh artists part about it is the mental aspect just happened to know where everybody has to do Thousands of the most complicated thing I had to deal with but I learn everything very fast. I feel like that's what really benefited me helped me play at a high level. How did you do that? How do you learn every position so well? They don't have to do so. Clinton back seven. We all be in the same room everything on that one time my brother just growing up. We've always been like the star players. See even everything just being best national abilities. But my mom. She likes sports second so everything that she taught us had to come first tours everything we had to do. It feels behavioral issues. I who are playing in the game corner practice all that stuff came first which all of that stuff. It helped me to become humble and always ready to these. Search the humble over hype and There's a friend of mine she started. The brand is something that I truly believe down like a serious thing that people should really live by so if I had to put it into a saying that. There's no better way to put it in that so like personally. I I like Mama game after a couple of people if asked to go look at film with somebody to get something. It'd be like von Miller just for Pashas jalen Ramsey from an techniques and Tire Matthew. Just because he plays around everywhere as well so I take bits and pieces from all them to kind of throw in my game Penn State's deter gross mottos is a prospect with very high upside at the edge position and he has a very unique connection to the New York giants. Coaching staff his former position. Coach Sean Spencer is now the defensive line coach for the giants and he talked a little bit about who his coach is what it's like playing for him and the possibility of getting a play for him in the future. You tell us a little bit about playing for coach Spencer. Spencer says I was recruited. Everything I thought it would be. A man has been instrumental in my life. I put my family say got a deep island corresponds to how much because Spencer and I think here for my three years at Penn State. Would you like to play? Would you like to win the plan for him again? We talk is play for again. I definitely I definitely wouldn't mind that. So what is the chaos chaos? I mean it's exactly what it sounds like dude is everywhere in just he just brings the intensity Many great motivating motivates guys. You WanNa you WanNa give your all. He's really brings the best out of people get a chance to sit down with them for the New York giants. I have not do end up having a nephew I mean I it'd be great to see me Just you have to speak with them and and I introduce myself to the to the rest of the coaching staff there. So I mean I'd I definitely will look forward to Wisconsin's known for producing very talented linebacker prospects. In this year Zach Bonn has the potential to be that next guy bond tells us a little bit about his positional versatility as well as being the next in line to come from Wisconsin. Yeah I think that's a part of my game that Teams are really impressive. My ability to be so tyler and kind of do a lot of a lot of different things very well Would that be played off the ball at the senior bowl and got to showcase my ability to do that? I feel completely comfortable and just willing to do whatever it takes to watch Showbiz DC. Yeah he said the best thing for him was just diving to his playbook and learning and as much as you can from the older guys and we from Wisconsin Are ARE SMART. Enough and intelligent enough to make that transition that may be and I think that's why guys get a leg up being from Wisconsin is that we run such an intricate intricate scheme and Just having that advantage going into the next level whether you're playing the same position you are or train linking transition. It's it's pretty flawless. Utah's Bradley Anais. An interesting day to option for the giants. If they choose to wait until then to address their pass rusher position an I spoke to us about his positions as well as an interesting hobby that he has not really the deeper saw goes like before i. So that's like the Tackle Deeper Sogo. Not Not a guy that wants to attack her to is bigger guys. I just bought a bunch of wild me and my sisters time but Proxima might to deal with all let's will pretty competitive and My Mom's like the hardest worker I know so we all look up to. I think that's where a lot of me might be sisters got Just that work ethic from the I love to cliff jumped just like as a hobby I think you have to be a little bit Athletic to view the clip jumper. I mean I could do a double backflip forty foot cliffs and you have to be somewhat athletic to do that all right our thanks to Joe Daley owned for cutting up all that audio for us. 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Mock Draft 3.0

First Draft

39:16 min | 7 months ago

Mock Draft 3.0

"Welcome in to the first draft. Podcast I am your interim host Daniel up here with todd mcshay and todd. It's just going to be on the podcast today. I mean at least sproul is. He's got some work that he's actually doing. He's keeping everything afloat as as you were saying. Exactly Khyber man one of these days. We're going to have to get him. Hooked up to some of this technology. But I'm here and I want to react to his mock draft just like everybody else so happy to do. Oh this is perfect. Perfect for you to react while he's not here obviously like you back the whole time and there's nothing wrong with that honestly there is sprout keeping our NFL team. Afloat is far more important things this week. Then coming back on the podcast. So hopefully. Next week he'll be here with us. Everything gets settled But Todd you and I are going to go through. Mel's mock draft. We're going to talk about where Mel finally got it right. Where he's still wrong and what he needs to change. And then we're going to take a couple of questions from our incredible fans on twitter. Bless jump right into this. Obviously you've seen miles mock draft three point. Oh finally after three chances whereas it in this mock draft Finally getting right with some of these guys. Well not much changed at the top of the draft. You still have borough going one to the bengals. You still have chased young going to Washington. Yeah Fukuda makes a lot of sense as the the cornerback. Yes it would be the first time since Terry Fair which is ninety eight. I think ninety eight somewhere in that range And then Isaiah Simmons would be it would be the first linebacker and since Carl banks so I mean you're you're talking about replacing legends and also being being organizations that are basically willing to go out of the box in terms of what they've done organizationally for so many years but ultimately what everyone wants to know about is is to still going five and does Miami have to move up to get to talk about. Hello and maybe that's where things shake up. I mean I don't see a scenario in which Joe Borough does not go number one. I know Miami wants to move up and go get jober. I also am well aware just like any rational human being. That's GonNa be a tough tough task and it's very unlikely but But it's still in play it still employ and the People. I talked to in the League. People are starting to catch on to what we were talking about coming out of the combine. And that's it. Miami really wants this guy so you never know the bengals could try to move out but I think ultimately it will be Jonesboro number one the bengals and then after that it becomes a little bit of a free for all you know is Miami. Move Up do they still love tour? They happy and content with with his medical. And then where's the next quarterback go? He's good? Of course hyper GonNa have Justin Herbert going six. And Drop Jordan Lov all the way down to what I'm I'm scrolling through my scrolling here we go La Sealed Rolling Twenty Patriots the Utah State quarterback. So I mean that's that's that's what we're we're betting five thousand dollars on from the foundation but ultimately it's going to be interesting to see how these quarterbacks come off the board but it's GonNa be borough and then it's going to be to a and then after that Herbert love and whatever combination but all four are going to come off the board in the first round question on the lions at three now moving on from Darius slay do you think that puts more pressure on them to take Okuda over anyone else that would be there or if the dolphins jumped up and took a quarterback at to do you think chase young was still be the obvious choice for them. Chase would be the obvious choice. Yes I mean. It's it chase young has to be to unless it's a quarterback team moves out for. Yeah and then and basically the first player. That's not a quarterback to come off the board. He's yeah yeah he's I mean he's a special player so it's young and then after that like I think Okuda's right there but I think Derek Browns in the same neighborhood I think Isaiah Simmons the Clemson linebackers in the same neighborhood. I really do the more more tape. I've studied this is the best part of the process. Really is you watch on TV. You go to games. You talked to coaches you. All this different stuff right. And you're studying tape as the season goes on. But then you you're able to go sit down and office with the Xhosa Remote Clicker and you're just Bang Bang Bang Bang. Bang game after game after game and sometimes perception is a little different than reality. And while I love Okuda and I love chase young but I also love Isaiah Simmons of what his potential could be and I think if used properly he could be just a special as those other guys and I think Derek Proud is so underrated. It's a joke. I really do I think. Derrick Brown is his great versus the Ron. He's GonNa be appealed. He's going to provide some of that. Gerald McCoy tight penetration and just constantly causing problems in the middle of the in the middle of the offensive line. And and just giving issues to to what you're trying to do from a pass protection stamp so to me if you between Brown and Simmons and Okuda and young yes. Young is the best of that group. But there's not as big separation as some people. Maybe want to present it so the idea that obviously those two quarterbacks will probably be the first to quarterbacks off the board From that standpoint to a and and Joe Borough will see just in Herbert falls in but those four players should be the next four non quarterbacks off the board from that standpoint at least the next four office powders. Yeah I mean we we could see. I guess in offense Lineman the Tristan. Morphs could sneak in there but I I would be surprised the one thing I agree with on with Mel. What he's doing here. And you can't project trades. According to his rules. His own rules chasing chase. Yang goes to that makes sense. If no one's moving up Okuda that makes sense going three Isaiah Simmons. All these teams need defensive players than Miami needs a quarterback and if they're happy with the medical into a makes sense the only thing I would say is the chargers. Get it I get it with the position but are they really going to take Justin Herber? And does he provide an upgrade oil? Tyrod Taylor and I know tyrod Taylor's of an average at best storyteller and kind of a fringe starter. But I just I don't know I- i- Herbert's got a lot. There's a lot to develop their. I offense of line would make sense but even go on defense. If there's a one of these great four players still available you know. One of the ship's sure to fall is the idea that like. Let's say we have the the dolphins taken to a at five and the chargers with Herbert six understanding. Like you said no trades are allowed but we still have Jameis Winston and Cam Newton chip that still has to fall regarding free agency. And how's that going to affect everything here and I could easily see the chargers if they go after one of those guys just like you said. Are you upgrading the offensive line are you looking at Derrick Brown? Who is going to the panthers pick later? That would change this whole process immensely. Once we figure out one of those players goes as well. Look I mean. Did anyone a couple of weeks ago. Tom Brady to be going to Tampa. I mean we can all say that we did but like did you really going to happen. Palese right they're not a single person. Even my wife doesn't know anything really about the Pittsburgh steelers. That's random right yes. Yes doesn't make sense because everyone thought I was going to be in la or it's GonNa be you know somewhere to market. That made sense for them but he just you know he wants to go pro of what he can do and wants to try to prove that he can do it with. Bill and bill wants to prove that he can do it without Tom. And we'RE GONNA WE'RE GONNA find out it'll be interesting to see but ultimately the there's still some dominos that are going to that are gonNA fall here and I'm just I'm looking through this. There's so many teams that are in flux at the quarterback position. What are the Patriots? GonNa do Imelda Jordan love going there. Twenty three. What CHURCH STADIUMS. Not The answer they they may they may want him to be the answer but Bryant. Heuer's got better shot probably have of winning that job ultimately at least for a year and I I don't know I just think it's fascinating and I looked at the draft picks the day it was like two days ago. We got the email of course knowing. Got Twelve draft picks. I think the second most of the League and so they're capable as always of moving up and going to get a quarterback so I will say and I've I've heard rumors about about James going in New England and it wouldn't surprise me but they're only going to do it if it's for value everything they do for value. That's how they've built this whole thing and they will not stray from that. And so they're going to wait. They're gonNA see what how the marketplace out and if they can get a Guy James for for much less than than the value price. Yeah they'll they'll pull the trigger. Do you know what the cut cut him if he doesn't work out. I mean that's how they do it. I want to ask you about the forty niners sitting at thirteen. Now after that trade with the colts With the forest buckner. I'm curious when you see the niners jumping up that high. What is it that you're looking for them? Do they need to address the defensive line out of Buckner gone? Are you looking for a skill position player to add to that offense someone outside of of you know? They're really talented tight. End And George. Kit ought to be able to catch the ball. I think they believe in Jimmy Garoppolo but I think they also believe that. They have to put quarters around us. You're males got Jerry. Judy here in this third. Mock draft you. That is good high. That would make sense if he was still. There is a flood told me before. He's the best road runner I've ever value. He's the guy who can step in the league and but that he's ready to go. He's eighty catches over thousand yards ten twelve touchdowns that kind of player even though he's not that big. He's not that fast he's just he's just excellent what he does but now you're I mean John Kin off. He drops down there. That would kind of make sense but I really think you don't make that trade and wanted to go in. Another question is clear. Law and upgrade over Bucknell. Because if not then why are you making that deal? That's my point. Yeah I think that they want to bring in an offense of weapon. I think they want to gold around their quarterback. I think they believe in Jimmy. And even though he's had some moments in the playoff run was not the best but I think that they believe that they can build around him and and make make that offensive side as good as the defensive side has been and and I think you know with the way shirt. He wants the defense to be stable but he also he knew when he made that that deal with New England to bring Jimmy. That was going to be the side of the ball that had to improve. And I think that that's what they're trying to do right now. The idea of deebo Samuel Jerry. Judy George Kettle like that. Offense could be exciting with a bunch of young talented people and I loved. I loved able if they if if he can stay right. He's he's. He's such an underrated. So outside of that. I mean looking down the rest of this. You know we're one of the things that we want to do here. We've been off for two weeks. We want to get to a bunch of questions that you guys have but but todd anything else that when you look at this other than Jordan. Love at twenty three which we've talked about to the Patriots if you get there if you're the New England patriots GM and you're at twenty three and Jordan. Love is sitting there for you. Are you looking at him? Are you going elsewhere? You think it's worth that position. If Brian Hoyer for the interim do you think that you wait another year what is GM? Todd mcshea. Do I'm I'm taking? I'm taking move if he's sitting twenty-three I'm taking him and I and I realized that I'm GonNa need a year or so to bridge the gap. But they've always built it with the long-term in mind and trying to find values and to me twenty-three value for Jordan love really especially if you're talking about just gets even dog is upset about the fact that you're in. What's your dog's name? His name is Dexter Dexter. All right said Teigen. Yeah take in. My dog is in the other room behaving so far. But there's no guarantees but we'll see how long that lasts. Yeah and I've got two kids that are banging on pots in the background. One and no one can go outside and do something but ultimately my point is I think it's all about value and if you're sitting there twenty three and you can get a quarterback like Jordan the potentially has yes. He had the seventeen interceptions and and he made mistakes. But if you really studies tape and especially go back and study the twenty eighteen tape that's when you realize that there's a lot there to develop so you know. I think that they would do it. It doesn't mean they will but I think that they would strongly consider that I like Jerry Adam but that just can't be the answer it just can't be. It seems Brian. Hoyer as always kind of been that guy. That's a little bit of a stop gap. And he's not he's not going to be terrible for your franchise and you can keep things together. But he's not a long term option so if they don't see that guy during love would make a lot of sense there at twenty three for them. Inlet hoyer bridge the gap. Exactly exactly you know I. I've always liked hoyer for what he is. I thought he was a third round draft. Picking on that was my first. That was my first draft experience. Really the first time I ever onset. This is a true story. I was sitting next to her Edwards and Trey Wingo On forget the logistics of it. But I you know the main crew as the main crew I was twenty seven twenty eight years old and they are we're going to have an ESPN to set and they would come to us at K. Generally but we you know we weren't the main the main show it was Kuyper and whoever will grow and maybe at the time boomer all those guys it was it was the big the big crew that used to have the draft for a long time and and I loved Hoyer and Melwood. He gave me a lot of junk about hoyer. And we're inside. Were in New York. Yup and the crazies are there now on day three and I was like. He's a third round pick. He had so many drops his receivers failed him this that the other thing and in the sixth or seventh round. They started chanting Brian. Who you're for like forty minutes. Charley casserly was there with the NFL network and he has come over here. But and I walked over as they don't worry about them. You're always going to have this. I notice your first year doing this. Don't worry about them a lot not telling you he's pretty good and I don't know if I'm right or wrong but it's just funny. That was my first when I really WANNA go out on a wedge for player. So I've I've always had a thing it could wear because he's been serviceable player in the NFL for a long time. There's been a lot bigger. I'm not saying that I I mean it wasn't Brady was sure that would be amazing along day. Well let's get to where we send out a tweet asking for a bunch of questions from you guys Have not been here like I said for two weeks so we're just going to get into as many of these as we can try. This comes from Scott Porter. Where do you see Lynn? Bowden from Kentucky going like when I like when he does a little bit of everything he's kind of today's NFL guy. He could play a little quarterback playing the slot. Playing the backfield. I I would say I'd be. I will be surprised if we get today three. And he's still on the board. I think he's GonNa be somewhere late second early. Third and I've talked. I talked to a scout so last week ten days ago. Who was saying. Have you watched enough on him? I'm like yeah like watch more. I mean he's he's one of those guys that like the more you study of him the more you appreciate what he can do and the today's league in how everyone is just kind of an offensive weapon not not pigeonholed to being one thing. I think that's what really makes track next. Question comes from Eric. Avila Big Fan. This awkward where do you see normally Davis way? I don't know that's a great question. Always Davis of Alabama. Where do you see him going in the draft? I would I would say second third round range. He's I mean we've talked about before he's the guy you want off the bus. He's so big and strong and physical Ten years ago he probably would have been a late first early second now. He's probably late second third he. He was an interesting interview. I sat down with him after sitting down with nick saving in their offices and nick with it. Knicks interesting because he for as difficult as he can be to deal with sometimes. He really wants to represent his players. Appropriately not not overselling. He wants to really give you the honest truth so that everyone has the information. I've come to respect that. A lot about him I really have. And he said some of the people in the room. The defensive line room were not great influences and Ray Kuan had some maturing to do and he wasn't ready to handle some guys you know when you're the young kid and you're immature and you're around some other bigger kids that you think are the stars. Sometimes you might not act the way you WANNA act rake on. That's what was going on. And then re Quan came in the room and he said the same exact thing. And he's like he's the coaches could tell me. My teenage could tell me but when my mom and my dad and my family members toll. You're not you're not who you should be and we know you're GonNa be better than this. I was wondering like there's five or six moments every year when you sit in these conference rooms with these players and coaches that stand out now as one of them and It was it was really cool to see because he was such a great player as a freshman he was a dot as a sophomore and this past year he picked it back up and I think a lot of it had to do with just like coming to grips with the fact that he needed to step up and Mitchell and he did. Yeah that was a long answer. I know all right but But it was. It was one of the cool experiences of someone's got to be able to ramble on and melts. Not here so it's okay that you take up that mantle rattener wants to know this question cuyler. Murray was the easy pick last year at number one. So how does he differ? That much from jalen hurts. Were hurt. Isn't even getting any looks as a fringe starter. Accuracy that's what it comes down to just consistent accuracy. Accuracy in Tyler is Jalen is athletic and very mobile. And he's a Gamer and he's a baller and he's competitive and I love all of that about him. Cuyler was is just more explosive it. It's easy if you sit there and watch the tapes. It's easy it's hard to explain. But it's easy to show you if that makes sense it. The twitch the quickness the ability to evade to explode onto the pocket but then when the throw is a the ball placement is so much more consistent with cuyler than it has been one with Jaylen. And that's that's GonNa be as big challenge. He's athletic enough to succeed. It's can he be more consistently ashort CAC Jalen? He's still gonNA drill some. I've heard some people say second I don't I don't see. I see more third for but quarterback the bill of that. You know developmental quarterback with upside the teams would take a shot at you know in the third fourth maybe fifth if he felt that far. Everybody's played a ton of. Yeah that's true. He's played a ton of Boll and Tyler Tyler. Didn't you know Baker came came in and then Tyler Kyle with tyler was like he's GonNa keep getting better because he's just now scratching the surface because he'd just get didn't get to play a lot with Jaylen like he's played in two different systems. Are I think three different coordinators and four years whatever? The the numbers are I think we know what Jalen is is the vessel. I can put it and I'm not saying that that's a negative. I think your draft a guy who you think is going to be a good backup that maybe could turn into a starter in the third fourth round range and I. That's to me what Jalen is. And by the way he's going to be like the fifth or sixth or seventh quarterback taken and there are sixty five seventy of them in the world that succeed in a given year. You know like it's it's not a knock like what he's done has been amazing. It's just like the reality of the whole situation. Is I think his inconsistency with accuracy is going to be what defines him if he'd like if he can if he can somehow improve it then he's got a real shot because he's mobile. He's competitive. He's tough. He's strong his physical. He's all these things but if he can improve that. I don't believe any quarterback can succeed in the long term without accuracy. Because I haven't seen it. I think about from Montana to Brees Tom. Brady to the The manning's like if you don't have accuracy the rest of it doesn't really matter you know. That's gotta be tough. You saying that you know that's not that's not a knock on the Guy. I can only imagine when you're talking about comparing kids played the position. I saw that saying these kids aren't good but it's the idea of you're talking about Kennedy has watched him win the national championship of watching thousand names. And there's so many great things I can say about this person and player. It's it's just like you know all right now we separate the good from the elite from a really you know the top end and I don't think he's there and it doesn't mean he can't get there but I don't think he's area all right next question from Andrew Miller with the bills out of the first round thanks this defined digs trade. Where do you see them going now with their first pick? I mean that's a that's going to be tough. Yeah I mean second round they always. They love building their front seven. I think they could add. I think they could add to running back depth just in case. Not NECESSARILY THEIR SINGLE. Terry has the body to be able to be a full-time workforce running back. I like him. I really do like him but I would bring in. Another back is my point. I really like him and I was bummed out when he ran a poor forty time last year at the combine. I knew it was gonNA drop. But he's a he's a really good player but I would bring in another running back and trying to think tight end like add another which is out another weapon. Eventually you're going to have to live and die with your quarterback Josh Allen is. He's a runner. He's got a big arm. But you gotta find ways to get to like make him more efficient without asking him to do something that he can't do what he can't do yet is make timing throws anticipate throws an consistently. Put The ball right. Where he he needs to put it. So what we need to do that as an offense is we need to win it. Run the ball. We need to mix in quarterback runs. We need to rush Greens and then we need to hit on some people's and we if we can hit on two out of ten. We've got a chance to win. I mean that's a reality. Two out of ten if you hit on the deep to ten times with the way he can throw it a his deep all finishes the play like. It's over that six. Whereas not the case with most quarterbacks in the League so to me it's figuring out how do. I get enough weapons around where I can run reverses run some qb auction run the ball and get and get one or two guys down the field that can go make us tank this questions of I dunno as a big question. I'M GONNA give it to. You will see where it lands but Mike. Chenault wants to know which prospects will turn into bargains if they fall do not pro day workouts. And obviously we're in a situation right now where teams are trying to figure this out to the entire. Nfl is trying to figure out what they're going to do. As far as as Seymour kids play and whatnot You know bringing people in for for meetings before the draft. That's still all up in the earned fluid but given the way that it is right now. Todd is there anybody that just comes to mind with your like you know. This guy could fall because he doesn't get a pro day workout maybe. He struggled at the combine. Maybe he didn't participate at the combine. Was waiting for that day Actually it's an interesting question. I would topic eight. Yeah I'm just thinking. Aj Peninsula from from Iowa is one of those guys that like. I just think he's a good football player. Even though as workout numbers are going to be great I've got a whole list of guys that did not work out. I wish I had in front of me. I'll tell you and he worked out. I believe Antoine winfield junior is one of the best players. I've watched on tape all season long and I just hadn't studied them. This theory complain the slot. He can play Corner. He can plays safety. He's a ball Hawk and he's a bad ass just like his dad. Five nine zero three. I don't care he's going to rock you. I I put out of. I think it was an Instagram. Or twitter tweet Of Two back to back ways that he had it was the first drive of the Penn state game right this the the running back for Penn state breaks through. The line is coming down. There's a receiver. That's in perfect position. Fifteen yards down the field. Anton takes him throw them aside and then like Hob ties. The running back written a milk open-field usually these guys. They come hot down down the field down the alley. They sort of have bad angles. He's just always great position than the skin. Play was a play action throw and he had he kinda got turned around a little bit and he has a little bit of tightness in his hips but once he got turned around his his head was up tracking the ball vertically. And it sounds so simple. But like think about if you're chasing someone down the street and and something's GonNa come land in this person's hands in front of you. The last thing you WanNa do is turn around and actually try to look for that thing. Because you're gonNA you're either gonNA run into the person that you're tracing or you're you're just gonNA lose track of what's going on. He did it so smoothly it was pulled it Dan. Pick and balls turnover. That's the kind of player he is. It was a three plays into that tape where I was like. Oh Man I just didn't know I didn't know and I don't care I honestly I don't care what he is. Five nine two three great four five five four six. I don't care that dude can play. So he's one of the guys that really stands out just studying the tape K. K. Robert Norval wants to know what pass rusher can the seahawks get at twenty seven obviously still up in the air with Geneva and cloudy with what it is that he's asking for We'll see when we get news on that but assuming they don't bring him back right. Outta soon if they brought him back they wouldn't take a pass rusher at twenty-seven Never WanNa ruining out but I think they could maybe have other needs curious though there. I mean I I mentioned Aj from from Iowa before Yup not an elite player but a really good solid consistent player. I would say best case Kayla von Chasen's GONNA fall that for. I really don't although he could because he's speed based To the problem is with this class that the defensive ends like itera gross mottos is. Kinda the next guy up if you will but after that there's a melting got. Oh going to Seattle twenty seven. So yeah I mean after that. There's really a a drop off in my opinion in terms of the defense events. There's there's linebackers There's intil more interior guys than normal their secondary guys but but the the edge players. I think there's a pretty significant drop off after you get obviously chase young and then and then after that NASA Gross Macho. So all right. We can do a couple more here before we close this out Nathan. M thirty three wants to know any chance that judy or lamb are not the first wide receiver off the board. And I think Henry Rugs would like a conversation about why he wasn't even included in this tweet some rogues could be I don't see it on tape. The speed I see the toughness I say sitting with him and talking to him I love. I love the way he approaches the game. He loves the GAME HE NEEDS IT. And that's so important in the evaluation process it. They just one of the most underrated things. If you really talked to coaches and general managers they the two things that I get most when talking to evaluators I and respect the most or I need someone who will trust me and then I also need someone who have like absolutely has to have this game so when I when I sat with rugs it felt like he he will do anything in the world for Nick Sabin and he absolutely had to have this game. And it's I think in any business if you really apply it to anything you do in life you anyone. Who's going to work with you or work for you? You want them to be able to trust you but your trust your coaching right. Yep if I tell you to do something trusted doing it because I want to bring out the best in you and then also I I right or wrong. I want to know that you need to do this. You have to wake up tomorrow earlier than the next guy because you don't have another option anyway. Yeah rugs to me is going to be inconsideration but I think it will eventually be judy as the first receiver. And I think he's earned it and I think he's been the most consistent and I like I just I trust that he's going to be open all of the time and I think rugs is GonNa be right there and then CD lamb the difference like okay. So rug is gonNA run a four to seven and he's the room. Judy is going to run the best routes and he's going to get open more than any of these other guys and CD is going to be open as much as guys. But he's GonNa make contessa catches and he's going to be the most physical and difficult to deal with after the catch A. That's that's exactly what they are. I've watched I don't want to say I'm not lying like some other people like I haven't watched every single play of every snap of these guys but but I've watched enough to know lambs. The best CD Rugs is the most explosive and judy is the most consistent and move. Get Open at the top of stem working back to you. If the play breaks down he is so good to his quarterback he he's a IBM as a quarterback. All right and last question here. Todd Jacob Winkler wants to know skins need to go tight end and run three right. Who's the best fit there? I don't know if you can say specifically need to go around three but you look at who the redskins now have at tight end. And as Jeremy Sprinkle Logan Thomas Richard Rodgers. Do you think that tight end position needs to be upgraded one and two. Do you see someone that you think fits this team and the scheme and where do you think that could fall? It's not a great class. No cold coal combat from Notre Dame would probably be the first one off the board in the Second Round Albert over Missouri won't even Okocha Booming. Oko Boom local boom. I'm Elliot you handle it for. Missouri will probably be the next one off the board especially after he ran in the four fives and he had ridiculous. Workout at the combine. Jared Jerry Pinkney Izzo from Vanderbilt. He ease his tape is so much better than his workout is tape from twenty. He's like Jordan. Love of of the tight ends he if you go back to twenty eighteen. He's a late first early. Second and you go back this past year but everyone on team declined there. They've four offensive skill position players. That all decline this past year. It might have something to do with coaching. I'm just saying Harrison Bryant from. Fau is a good player. Hunter Bryant from Washington'S. A good player. Adam trautman is kind of a late riser coming out of Dayton and I between Pinkney Bryant and Brian in trouble men and then maybe Koby Parkinson Mitchell Wilcox. I would say those are like the four five guys in that third early fourth around rains. That would make a lot of sense. We are going to be back next. Week is the goal is to hopefully bring you to podcast next week. We will see how that works. Obviously thank you for being understanding while we try to figure out all these remote solutions while everybody's working from home Self isolating as best. They can and trying to figure out a way to be able to help flatten the curve while we do all of this but we love being able to do this. Bring this content you guys. Hopefully we will be back next week with two podcast shirt over questions to your been fantastic. Thank you guys for winning. And that's going to do it for us for todd. My name is Daniel. 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I Hate the Fins No. 48: 2020 NFL Mock Draft Pt. I

The Phinsider

55:23 min | 6 months ago

I Hate the Fins No. 48: 2020 NFL Mock Draft Pt. I

"Back every Wednesday on fish drive. Join Me Eric. Oseberg full report on the Miami. Marlins singly affiliate the Clinton Lumber Kings on eight ball with Rick. We sit down each week with the different prospect. That is part of the violence rebuild and discussed the development of players trends and performances of Miami's Midwest League affiliate listen to Abe law with Eric goes every Wednesday on strikes. You're listening to. I hate the fins as a very special episode. We are on the precipice of very special week. Draft Week Twenty twenty. Nfl draft can be a little bit different this year. Just based on the fact Rollin. Quarantine. So it's not in Las Vegas. He had that big show that was supposed to go down. I mean hopefully we see that you have to figure they do that next year. I don't know That Raiders Stadium does look like the death star. I think it's everything we expected it to look like. So that's pretty cool. I still feel bad for Oakland. With seeing the raiders. Leave all that said. I think we're going try to break this in the two parts issue. We'll see how it goes tonight. Just because these things can get a low on depending on how much you're putting into it I'd like to think that we have a pretty good feel for what's going on but I also look forward to making a bunch of shit up and offending fans of certain teams if they're listening so we've got a big board We'll just go ahead will run it down. We'll tell you what we think if we have. I mean there are certain topics and themes we've discussed on the show as of late so we'll probably apply that. We're not trying to be trolls. It might come. I might make a pituitary. Like what the Hell Are you doing? But really I wouldn't pick. I didn't think it was going to happen. I mean this. We're not in a position where we can just deploy. Click Bait. I don't think we are at least so truthful about it. We can get in there and get Zack. Outta here in time to go watch is a NFL NETWORK. Panelist draft which we've talked on previous years to you. Do look for that forward. That's one thing that I watch every year 'cause I like the NFL folks for the most part And they've actually split it out to where they have almost a person her team picking so it's all sorts of different people this year from the network where in years past. It's been eight to ten folks You know with with somebody moderating In the past before Mac left's moderate Dj Lucky in all make picks the biggest problem in recent years has been like Mgd Ike Taylor and who the other player that was that was making picks but their picks were just like horror ethic like absolutely terrible Njit's picking like running backs like top five just because he can The good news as he's only attached to the Jaguars picks which nobody cares if they make them wrong anyway so yeah. They gave him two of them. I'm trying to think of former players. Lt Zahn there all the time. It wasn't him. I forget who it was. Michael Robinson is making picture seattle. Maybe it was Nate. What's last year old son? Yes maybe I think it was a that was before they promoted him to the good morning. Football whatever. Yeah which which. I don't know if you've ever seen that but that's a decent little show. I actually liked that crew no when I still had an NFL network. I've always liked. Peer Schrager I do think that he's Kinda had to change it up and become a little bit more hype if you will. 'cause they're the time where he was just dropping truth bombs in at a stage where it wasn't necessarily that what people wanted to hear but is what he was hearing so I like him Other dudes name is escaping me right now and I always have to take a second when I see Kyle how Brandt Ray cow brand and I was like see him on twitter where I know this name before and then I'll think I'm like all right. Good Morning Football guy. Cool though he's a he's become one of the flashier more entertaining guy. Cbs borrows from time to time to for for their Pregame panel show. Yeah he's definitely solid for sure. Okay so we'll I'm just gonNA give you the I'm going to be a jerk and give you the numbers all right. I'll take the even ones and by all means if you disagree with anything. I'm doing vice versa. I mean we can chime in and to say like this is what I would have done. Their late matters like Chris. Gears in a call me in console. Consult with me about what they should do. Okay I think that explains everything I always feel like. We need to give like this big disclaimer before we started this thing because typically stay away from mock draft just because it becomes such an over saturated item in terms of Click Bates. Everyone's one And I was thinking like what could I possibly offer to the genre that would make someone want to read mine but strath tweak? It's a big deal Thursday. They're GONNA have it. It's probably going to be nuts with their Microsoft teams and their online drafting and seeing goodell in his basement. I can't wait to see what that looks like. I'll be as a bowling alley next to him or like a one of those on helipads. We're like this. The ceiling opens up. And you can land in there yeah. I think Rich Eisen show is on CBS. Sports and I popped out on now that I'm at home obviously during the week and Rich did an interview with the Commissioner for a charity thing that they're doing along with the draft And he did it from his basement and it was just a pretty pretty plain old basement. To be honest I was expecting more now. I would like to see some bond villain shit. Nah nothing too spectacular from the Ginger Hammer. We during the time when you you'd be rated in the twelfth post after will do a post draft for a wall. We'll tell that story but let's let's clear to mock draft things up before we do this year. step one. Are we doing the picks as we would make them or as we think they will be made I mean honestly I I would go with. What you think is going to happen okay. That's fine that's definitely the way to go because like at this point you know our opinions. Don't really matter. We're trying to guess for what we think's GonNa Happen based on what picks the actually make So that definitely makes pairs down any element of bias that you have in here. Just just say like The Sun. Think you're going to do and I mean honestly if I think that team stupid than sure gone but party here Are we doing trades And if we do. I highly suggest we don't worry about what they're giving away compensation wise unless it's like Miami moving up to one where they have to give up at least one of those first round. Pick something crazy like that. The dolphins are gonNA trade up so I I would say like yeah keep it general. I mean if you're moving up from eighteen and into the dolphins and you have an absolute smorgasbord of picks to to draw from. What did you use to get there? I mean Yeah. Yeah no for sure. Let's we're not going to go crazy with compensation where if they give her away. Something second third fourth whatever around a less. It deals with the first round that we're actually doing way. And we're insulated. Because of that because I mean we don't we don't care what he hasn't Sunday to or not in this. We're not extending into that into that. I think we're headed here so I mean I'm not gonNA waste anyone's time. I think that I love the rumors about the the bengals taking anyone. But Joe Borough just because it amuses me but I don't think that'll happen I do. I do believe the and guess you'd call it a rumor report that he was literally the only prospect. They've spent time on that. That made me laugh too but we live in weird times right now. So why waste overhead? If you don't have to I think you'll borough is Issue what am I talking about? You're the one making the first pick. That's why I'm going anyway. So we're on the same week as long here very cool. That's funny that's also probably a bad omen. Pick to this is tempting because I don't think that this is a walk for chasing but I think chase young. We'll be the pick. I think Washington is going to try to bleed this for all they can and see like what kind of value could pop up in terms of a trade on. It seems like they've been doing things right the past couple of months which feels very weird to say about this team but since they gave Bruce Allin the boot they they appear to be pretty much focused in In solidarity in terms of where they want to go as an organization. I don't know how long that will last. You never know what this organization but I think that it is chasing. Yeah no one hundred percent chase him And if they don't take chase young people will be as upset as the dolphins if they pass onto. That's all there needs to be said there at that point. You're you're out that way to a degree you have a good friend. Who is a Redskins Fan? So I mean I asked. Yeah all the stuff that he re tweets essentially as like they're taking chase Yang and like if they don't like Washington Banjul riot so it's chase yummy if not. That's one the draft gets crazy but we can't predict that. Yeah sure I mean I. That's why we've talked about Detroit hanging onto that third pick until Washington's pick is in an confirmed because it's a wild card you never know. Yeah so so Detroit on the clock at three here. It feels like as the days go by. It is a less and less likely that anyone's trading two three four one of the quarterbacks With that said I'll put a little disclaimer. Asterik on this pick that there may be somebody that wheels and deals in the three. That really wants Simmons or something like that or the top offensive tackle. You know but I just don't see essentially Miami or Los Angeles trading into this pick for a QB. It's kind of weasel out that Miami's kind of happy to sit at five and take the guy and I saw something recently that it seems like the chargers are in the same boat. I think they've kind of worked out a deal with one. Another on the phone protective. Like if you don't trade up we won't trade up. Are you happy with two indoor herber? We're happy with two and or Herbert and kind of shook on it over the phone. I think they hang tight at this point now. Only that good. I was calling San Diego. I always wanted to do that. But it's not really in the chargers. Dna to move up a draft board. Historically I mean that that's a franchise that walks a squeeze every last ounce value out of every nickel and dime they have. I mean sorry. I mean some people might be offended by that but historically it's the truth you've seen like how they run off certain players in the past I'd never really problem with the the Philip rivers thing. I mean his play has taken a a hit the past couple of years. But I think here you just mentioned with With the chargers especially I mean I just don't see I think the Spanos to Lesko connection there is just. I don't WANNA say cheap will go thrifty is at a decent senate and I don't know yeah. Yeah and I think at this point they stay tight there and they pick Okuda That's kind of been the crystal for a while. There is a slight chance it could be Derrick Brown. I just I just don't see it The only downside to pick no kudos. Like how much better did you get? Essentially Swapping Sleigh for Okuda Right But I mean that's their problem will say so. New York is on the clock. And everything's Kinda Gone Chalk. This point has this one's brutal though. Because what is chalk at four spot? Because I mean like chalk when you're time out five even six had going into Carolina at seven. I mean if you if you say I wanna go chok there then. A specific name comes to mind. This one's different because you think about it really not good on either side. The football I think offensively. I'm trying to remember twenty fifth. Maybe defensively Edwards. So I mean that's why you're picking this highs so ultimately it comes down to you. Think they take the first offence of tackle? Do THEY GET You know do they start thinking abstract. And Maybe Take Isaiah Simmons here. Although I think there are better fits elsewhere ultimately I think often tackle. This is where the first one goes and I've gone back and forth on this but I do think it's McKay Becton a chair. Yeah I mean the. Here's the thing with the offensive tackles. We've had this conversation. We have no clue which order the top four. We're going to go in if I'd be unbelievably impressed. If there's anybody out there that does a mock that even doesn't get him to the right team but get the offense of tackles in the right water. I think that almost be a bigger feet than getting into the right teams quite honestly but becton is is really good player has the most upside obviously out of the floor so I can respect that in as you mentioned what what I think they do versus what I do. I would take Andrew Thomas there because I I think subtly. He's probably the most bang for the buck. Add on at the the left tackle position in this draft. But I also think that McKay Becton's does some things that immediately improve New York especially you think about how they WANNA out in the run game as well and you imagine him grading for a squad or what is it Quad Zilla or whatever on saquon Barkley Right now. So all right. So Miami on the clock at five quarterback options or their Simmons's there We're taking a quarterback here you know. I think they go to We've talked through the two of the herber all the stuff. Smoke strains whatever may be You know one important piece. I think came along the wire this past week with Chris Careers press conference on Thursday. Was Somebody asked him about you? Know if a player's ability can outweigh an injury. Risk Within reason and essentially greer said. Yeah like there's dudes He you know He. Referenced Curtis Martin Right. Where do was her all the time? It's the league. I don't think he was ever heard again And there's other dudes that you pick that any referenced a Dolphin Jake Long Right Jake. Law Roy healthy big dude. You know. Countries strong from MICHIGAN COMES TO THE LEAGUE GETS THE FIRST COUPLE YEARS IN INJURY. Bugets them never healthy again so he referenced that. I think that was a big point of you. Know if the ability and the injury you know things kind of even out or ability overtakes the injury. Concer- make that move and I think they've just been onto for too long into a makes too much sense for what they WANNA do. Offensively I think the whole not going to thing that they've tried to push in terms and a Magenta is total. Bullshit I just I don't buy it. I think that he's been there guy. They've I mentioned this. They've looked specifically at every quarterback not name to in the first round meeting about it like they gave Jordan. Love a ton of attention. Just in herber continues. Get a ton of attention. I'm sure they like him. They've been they've been in on him since. What two thousand eighteen. Yeah I WANNA say so injured love as well so at at this rate. I think that this has just been one big game and I do think it's too and I think you're right and I think that people will appreciate that. It'll keep me alive for another week. They won't come after me. We'll come. I mean we've got other picks to make so we could still piss people off Okay so chargers at six on I wouldn't over think this one. I do think that this is Jason. Herbert goes I think that the only other position that would make a lot of sense here would be possibly offensive tackle. You think about what they added during the off season. I mean they've got the makings of a strong lineup front. Which will it was looking good for a while. There then totally fell off a cliff. Some bad luck in there. You think like they draft for US lamp. That has just not worked out. Which speaking of guys who? You just can't predict injuries with none of us saw common. Yeah so Herbertson easy. Pick their Offer to tackle they definitely could go that route. There has been conversation for both Miami End. Los Angeles about potentially going that route and then come back for the quarterback but I think they have their guys and I think they make those staff to back there Carolina Carolina's the interesting spot. Carolina I think is a massive trade out spot For teams that wanted offensive. Tackle that Get Cheer figure. Cleveland NEW YORK Help Tampa Bay. And then you know the question of Miami there too and so I WANNA say Miami traits back into the spot because I think they do trade up for an offensive tackle. I mean essentially if if Miami here and if I'm Carolina Carolina you've gotTA figure out if they're punting to draft a quarterback next year right and if they are if that's the thought process because they did pay teddy bridgewater a paid him like a guy that could play this year and next year. Play well and get another contract But at the same time like Trevor Lawrence you know right at right in Carolina. They're like he. It just makes sense So we could do a trade up here for the dolphins if you wanted to I would trade eighteen and I'd trade a twenty twenty one I and maybe Arnaud Seventy or a day to pick from next year So we could flop that there if we wanted to. If not align could just pick you I mean it's up to you you can pull the trigger on that on yeah. I'm just trying to think of Isaiah. Simmons would be the most likely pickier. They could take offensive tackle. But I think they're okay offensive line wise and I just don't see Simmons fitting what they do The only issue could be is if somebody else wants to move up. Four Simmons and offers more than Miami. But I think Miami offering eighteen next year's one and some form of day to pick probably gets done so I'm GonNa make that trade because I think the dolphins want an offensive tackle after. Read this pick to Ya. GotTa pretender like her first thing as Dude's GonNa get hurt even if it's not based on his injury history standing behind offense align right. I mean look panel. Can't heal was a real healthy guy. His whole career up until the last two years of Miami where he essentially died from being beat up on and at one point the the dude this and blood like I don't. I don't know how to say you know so Dolphins move up here now. The question becomes which offensive tackle are. They take as much as I love. Andrew Thomas is going to say I cannot wait to hear your reasoning on this side going as much as I love. Andrew Thomas. There are two very good right tackles left on the board and I think there are some talented potential left tackles on the board when you get to twenty six thirty nine. So as much as kills me not to take Andrew Thomas I am GonNa just take the comfort route. Take the familiarity that to a has and just take generic. I I called this. I can't believe it and it's funny because he's the of the big four he's probably the guy your lowest on the guy that I'm lowest on is is Mikhail Becton. Just because there there are some questions on some techniques stuff like he has all he he's just in. Herbert of offensive tackles. Baci back like he has all the tools each Athletic like when it comes to some of the head soft soft move in the fee and moving in in certain directions. That aren't just straight line forward. There's some questions. But Jesuit wills. I like him. He's got an unbelievably strong. I punch he can reset a defensive Lineman as they attack My question for him is against top tier athletic speed rushers And he is a little bit of top leaner so offensive. Line coach is going to have to work that out of him but he just go with the Comfort. You know to knows them. He knows to a it makes sense speaking of familiarity. Arizona at a and even though they were absolutely horrible. Defensively because I want to say they were close to that last. Thirty years maybe I think that they wanNA keep it familiar. I think that this is where CD land is going to go if they don't train out which. I mean you've been talking about that that pairing for a while. It just makes sense. You get cuyler. Murray his favorite target back and Era Zona in terms of points on the board becomes a very scary item because CD lamb. You'll see arguments. But in terms of someone who can high point the football in terms of hands and Yak. I mean he checks off all the boxes and if he's not the top in those categories for a receiver he's like one B so I love his game. He's not my favorite receiver in this draft. But I love to watch him play. Oklahoma receivers have become very entertaining as of late in. I think that this is a big boom for what Arizona wants to do on the offensive side of the football. Because I think that they're looking to. They're they're looking for rocket ships pretty much all the time offensively and I think this helps. Oh Yeah I mean at that point. They spread you out. They go four wide they got. Cd outside their Christian Kirk. Outside they move Larry Fitzgerald as a a slower stronger slot presence or play him. Outside doesn't matter quite honestly Than they have a whole bunch of other options inside that they can play with So and they have some good developmental guys at wide receiver too so they're locked loaded out wide receiver which would be awesome Am I real quick? And my great for adding CD. Lambda an offense that just acquired new Hopkins. No no way I mean you got Hopkins and I mean those things where the best analogy I can give for. It is going to be a food analogy if you go get barbecue food. I e. You can't just have one or two good sides of barbecued food because like the best part about barbecue. Food is all sides with that delicious slab of whatever meat you get so you need like three sides minimum so why not have that with wide receivers right? Why not have you know the full array of what you WanNa hit and then some 'cause they're gonNA play a really quick pace offense. You might not have all three out there all the time You could really see Larry Fitzgerald on a limited snap. Count this year into a cam. Wake tone down in the rotation there So it's it's a good move for them for what they WANNA do. End For future plan at the end of the day and just as a quick disclaimer on that Isaiah Simmons would make sense but at the same time. I startled to see that fit with Arizona. I think that Just with I mean. They're very forward thinking in terms of the offensive side of the football. And I think that I don't think they're going to completely disregard what they do defensively but I think that in terms of enabling their quarterback with whatever they can get new hopkins. I I saw that Christian Kirk the possibly on the trade locked on which would be interesting although I really love his game too and then you bring in CD lamb. I mean that's that's an array so That's just where I'm at with it. I concerns Ahah Simmons but I can't say no to the the collegiate connection there. Yeah for sure for sure. So I'm I'm GonNa do a quickie trade swap around here between Jacksonville and the jets. The jets a really really have their sights. Lock on an offensive tackle. They need an offensive tackle to protect Sam Darnold and I think they are. GonNa see the board full like it's a little worried about Cleveland once head of him jets Jacksonville swap. Whatever the hell they decide to swap for the jets move in there and they take Andrew Thomas He. He's a guy that that the plug and play. He's not the sexiest offensive. Lineman in this class. But he's the most shore fire of all He's a guy. That's you know a a minus worse case scenario in all fields He's a plug and play that they need so bad to protect Sam Darnold Poor Sam darnold getting the treatment. He just hasn't had any protection. Play for Adam gays interesting because I think one way or another Andrew. Thomas is plain in New Jersey next year and it just comes down to whether he goes at four. I think because I do believe the jets want him bad feeling for the past month for some reason. Andrew Thomas to the jets has sounded lake. Something that will absolutely happen for sure for sure. So Cleveland at ten. This is interesting too because you think about what they've been through in terms of their offensive line and the really weird thing is if you're I don't want to speak for Jacksonville but I believe they're banking on a certain player being there in Cleveland. Not Going for him. I'M GONNA go ahead and honor that. I think that this is probably where tristen ends up would be at ten Even though plays right tackle fleet-footed enough where I think he can play either side. I think that and he's got the athleticism and also I think he's got the mind to where I would. I would be okay. Thrown him on the left side and thinking like that's fine. I'm not usually into messing with tackles on either side like that because I think it's far more difficult than people realize but I do think here that this is Richardson whereas ends up. Yeah I mean between him and Conklin I think you just play both in the summer or whenever practices begin. Play them both on either side. Figure out who feels better on whatever side. Just cut them loose on that order. I don't think it really matters at that. Point Auckland has played both sides so yeah I think Cleveland will really really struggle with that pick though because I think they could. They could use a interior defensive presence and they could use a safety presence they could take a simmons and play him as a safety and I don't think they'd have an issue with that so I think there's a chance that they could go defense that way too But worse makes a ton of sense at that point. I actually figured because I think that they want to get Baker Mayfield right in terms in terms of sliding off in his second year. But that said I wasn't really thinking about Simmons but I did heavily. Consider the Interior defensive line. Because I think that there's a big time talent out there who's just fallen due to circumstance in terms of what teams are looking for. Yeah for sure for sure. So we get to Jacksonville here and Jacksonville is actually a really great shape because I think they could go simmons or Derek Rounders. Well I think at the end of the day as much as they love to have Simmons as a presence. Romney Harrison was fine for them at Safety Simmons and miles. Jack kind of give you the same thing at linebacker. So I don't really think doubling down make sense Same reason I don't see Carolina really taking Simmons at seven if they stood pat. So I'm just GONNA give them Derrick Brown here and a really weird slide. You know who is a conversation that we had with Everything could go higher. They're gonNA slide last year. I thought there was somebody that was like that to I. Think about it for a second. I don't focus on this draft. I'd have to sit and come back to we'll come back to a quickie quickie goal. Search Year along. I'm doing this. You can talk about the Raider actually Rise Ahah Simmons. Yeah I think that this is where his slide ends. I think that he's got raider written all over him. I think that that this comes down to is probably GONNA come down to a receiver but Isaiah. Simmons is made in a lab. I someone calling me Unicorn. He is absolutely Unicorn. He's an Al Davis approved player. And I think that they're looking to make a big splash in what would have been there. Their hometown draft. So I think that Las Vegas introduces themselves to the community with Isaiah Simmons be late when they make the cake and turn on the car. What position do they put on the card? They'll I I mean it's GonNa come down to linebacker or safety rate I. I don't know probably doesn't matter. I'm just curious. I don't know the PRI- practice say Unicorn. Swiss army knife something. Whatever but he's. He's everything that the raiders pride themselves on in terms of the athletic towns they find I mean he checks all the boxes there so it makes sense otherwise. I think that you'd be looking for a speedster receiver here but there's also a deep receiver draft and they have another first round pick so that makes too much sense. I think between That picking the Derrick Brown pick Jacksonville. I think those picks could happen naturally. There they could move up whatever I think. Those are kind of the natural landing spots for those two players Regardless of where we had them going back to that twenty nineteen slide player. I think it was Devon White. Because if he didn't go to Tampa Bay it was like one was he gonNa go at that point. The steelers probably still trade up to ten. Take Him But it looked pretty barren may be Cincinnati at eleven at that point maybe Green Bay at twelve But I think that was the player I was thinking from last year. Get that was in some ways a bizarro draft last year. Just think like nobody thought that clean ferro was going to go forth overall. You know we all thought that Josh Allen was GONNA fall than four overall because I mean he just seemed like someone who had have raiders written all over him like we just said about Simmons but things happen and in Cleveland Farrell. In terms of all the measurable. He would just almost like seven foot. Wingspan as the EH. Six four is broadcast rusher. Which I mean like you touted that early on last year. You said like his a link who is going to make him far more coveted than people realized. I don't know if you've already fourth overall coveted but you hit that one right on the Hud. Yeah No I. I didn't know he was going to go top five there but I mean teams. Love that stuff. I mean that's the stuff and I mean that's the thing that could have faulted Andrew Thomas back to the top offensive tackle to You know so. We'll say only a few days left but San Francisco from there in Detroit here This could have been the home of Jordan potentially if India was still here not the case. Now you know they're still people claiming night. You know you have four quarterbacks. Go Top ten top fifteen. I don't think it happens quite honestly I think love goes more naturally where he should towards the end of the first So with San Francisco here a question becomes. Do they replace forced Buckner with a Devante? Great adjuvants Kim Law type of Guy. Or do they take one of the top receivers? I just think it's so hard to pass on the top receivers that are here. I mean I feel like Jerry. Judy just make central what they WANNA do doesn't he? Yeah I was actually thinking like that. This is probably where he's GonNa end up which also to a degree pains me because I really don't WanNa seem in San Francisco but you just think about Because they were eighth on offense I mean they were in the top ten. I don't think a lot of people will realize that because they didn't have a lot to offer on the in terms of the offense perimeter you know they trade for Emmanuel Sanders. He's gone now They have some nice smaller Smaller options but you think like if you're if you're in there near Jimmy Garoppolo like you need union acts. You need someone who's going to be able to slash up the field and Jerry. Judy did a ton of that Obama. Yeah for sure so typically at fourteen. I think that this is a team that would absolutely love an offensive tackle especially considering who they just acquired so they could be an option for a team to deal back in for one of the last of the three wide receivers right in front of Denver That that's always a possibility as well to if they're looking to deal out and potentially grabbing offensive lineman towards the end of the first. Because I mean like there's there's been some talk of them looking at can law right. Yeah Yeah like a like you were saying like does that make you really any better when now mode they still have been UVA? They brought back sue for a year. does kimmel really puts. You a win now mode the only reason I see them taking him here decide to is because they see his upside as like people are going to look back and he should've been a top five pick That's the only way I see them taking Kim Law here. Yeah but I do think that they they do take on here. You think about what they've given up on the interior in recent years. It used to be a strength. That's what this franchise has built. Its best teams on or just a ultra penetrating Talent in the middle. So I think that with a guy like Japan Kim Law who someone with his size and strength and you can sort of rebuild. What you're looking for in terms of the interior offensive line so I like it on kind of a a strange projection for him because he could go higher than this it based on how that that Board Falls. I like him. I do think that Tampa is going to be a team looking to acquire an offensive tackle. So I don't I think the fourth the fourth name in that that group falls no further than this pick. Oh for sure for sure Will actually keep this really quick here with Denver. Rugs stolen aboard. They've he's been linked to them forever. I think there's a chance that they get rugs but may move up to get him. But it's rugs they add speed goes with court Portland Sutton at another weapon for drew. Lock to start building his career around. I there's I mean you just run that up to or I'm sorry. You're not ruining to the podium. You're sending it in this here Absolutely I think he's been their guy for a while the fact that they can stay. Stay at fifteen grab him. I think would be huge in terms of not not having a move but you think they've got something good going on with drew. Lock right now and now. You're looking to really expand on his weapons on the perimeter and you can make the case at Henry. Rugs is the most talented receiver in this class. I mean like it's all gone at. Ya and he and he might just. I think that what I mean. He would pair well with new cop going all the way back to Arizona too. So I mean I think Christian Kirk gives gives you a bit of a tastes in terms of That smaller yet A smaller receiver. Who can body guys in Out on out on the edge I think that on Henry Rooks and do that to that. Do can high high point the ball. He's a strong route runner. He's great after the cash. I mean like he's not just like your garden variety vertical too so I mean all the I mean. That's a lot of words to say that. I think that this is a no brainer. I think this is Denver's guy. I think they get him at where they originally sat which is fortunate all right so Atlanta always pick all. I think that this is probably the team thirstiest for Giovane. Ken Law. I think that you've seen a lot of rumors. This could be a team in Detroit up. I mean you already saw Dmitrov floating a bunch of thinly-veiled stuff they need to though they just lost Desmond. Font on things are weird for them out on the edge. I'm GonNa give them your favorite player in. Cj Henderson I think I think he goes here a good pick if they're good and I was just going to say I didn't want to interrupt your flow because you mentioned trade up. I think they could trade up for. Cj Henderson I think there is some truth to the Henderson is potentially higher on some People's Board Than Okuda and that could be because of pure man coverage preferences and at the same time. It's one of those things. Where if he's your guy like sit there away. 'cause I mean doesn't look like anybody else could take them but you never know I mean what if what if the offensive tackles last aboard and know New York says hey like we want to protect. Sam We think we have sufficient enough Weapons where we're not taking a a wide receiver at eleven. There's really good wide receiver. Dennis draft we'll pick up two or three along the way we're gonNA take the best corner we can get at this point so. Henderson makes a Lotta sense here. Yeah that's going to be interesting. I don't think there's any way in Hell that he goes before Okuda but I I'm fascinated by the fact that some teams have come out and said like had no. We're we liked ED. That gator corner over. What has really become cornerback? University as far as I'm concerned with Ohio State so I mean Jeff Okuda. I mean. It's hard to deny his. His twitching is his ability to read. he does everything really well and the thing is like he's still. I don't think he's a finished product. Which is the scary thing. I think his ceiling way high whereas I feel like with CJ Henderson. You know what you're getting. I mean he's a man covered. Stud you are losing something in terms of getting after In getting after the run in terms of being able to tackle Overall so it just depends. It depends on your flavor but I don't know that Atlanta can be too choosy. I will be flawed if they don't move up for dramatic. Giovane KEN law. I think that they've been looking for that big piece on the Interior for Awhile now. I think he's he's their guy but C. J. Anderson checks all the boxes for Atlanta to for sure that's a great pick Dallas at seventeen. I think they are probably pretty bummed that CJ Henderson ended up on pick away They have to have a lot of good number two indoor nickel guys at cornerback. But they need a true number one now. That Byron Jones in Miami. So Dallas is a little upset. Here actually started a make my pick here and then I changed my mind The popular pick here is killer on right Demarcus Lawrence is really good. You need a to punch edge now. They did sign Alden Smith which good for him. He's back on a team. We'll see how that goes but that doesn't stop you from taking an edge player I just think people are GONNA be wildly concerned with Kayla. Von Jason's past medical army was healthy. This year he was a game record in the beginning of the national championship game. But honestly I think they're gonNA make a an investment year that is all about their identity and who they are on offense. I think they come in and they make a really safe pick a little old little high for my taste but not too questionable in a Cesar Ruiz from Michigan Planet Center Guard. Whatever just do what works? Keep that offensive line as a straight As it's been well they just lost Travis Frederick Great. I think he just retired. So yeah I mean that's and I mean this. This is a team that has taken interior often of linemen and the back half of Ron one before taking a lot of heat for drivers Frederick was that guy and that worked out perfectly for them for a time so I I love that pig I. It's it's definitely off the radar. But it's quintessential Jerry so there's that Jeremiah. Chapter got a hot TUB IN THE SHAPE OF TAXES ALL RIGHT. Carolina's now at eighteen. Okay yeah this. This pick becomes far more complicated based on where they sit. Now quite honestly. I don't even know what they need enough to make this point so I'm glad this is not your problem. Yeah this is definitely definitely brought this trash to my doorstep. I think that this is a team. That's usually pretty true there aboard. I think that this is where Kayla Andrzej Zongo's I think that just in terms of length is a pass rusher. The medical I think is GonNa scare maybe some teams off but the upside is undeniable with him. And this is a team that is not a year away anyway so I think that if you can go ahead and stockpile pass rusher who could be special at this juncture. I think you do that. And so I think Carolina fans would would get on you about back to back years of a pass rusher. Belykh would if if you hit on chase on and Brian Burns like potentially the most versatile athletic nasty edged. Oooh in the League and I think that's something that they're going to want to invest in. Because I think Matt Rules Game Plan how he Alexa play on the offensive side of the ball is that they're gonNa work to spread you out. They'RE GONNA look to get ahead and then they're gonNA look to come after you so I think I think that makes a ton of sense. I think you'll just have some pissed off Carolina Fan but FM Panthers Fan. So I don't really care to two things. Finding the team that at any time has said we have too many good pass rushers like we just can't deal with those s not a thing. Also would you want at that juncture where you wanNA reach on a interior defensive linemen? I mean they have a highest pick in day to because I mean they rotate with the other teams. That also said at five eleven. So for sure. You're sitting at a nice spot there but I mean like I would go just maximum value like I. You'RE NOT GONNA win next year. It's going to be ugly. Get The you know or rock. Now ask questions later. Find the best players that you can. I mean if I can't imagine adding someone Kahlon Chase on saying like you know it would just be too bad. Add like a guy with a high high ceiling is a pass rusher opposite burns. Who was a total stud last year yet and take the year to get his body right. So you know. He is full cylinders. Twenty twenty one. So the raiders are back up in nineteen I think this is going to be a pick that makes a lot of people after this. Pick very sad but we're going back to Lsu for Justin Jefferson on this one Ran A lot faster than I thought he was going to. Didn't change my evaluation of him. I think he's still very good. Slot presence that you can play Outside in on a things that you may WanNa do from a shorter in a one of the things that all the SEC teams loved Iran. We talked about it when we talk to a is that slant go kind of Combo that people run and you can run him on either part of that you can run him on the outside in slant you can run him from the the slot. Go so whichever way you want to go. I think he just provides a reliable wide receiver piece that Las Vegas really really needs. Yeah he was money the last half alas he was great all season but he was just such a reliable weapon. Pirjo Bro late in that season. And you you brought it up just bodied every defensive back. In his way I mean it was just an absolute bullet time kind of reminded me of Jarvis Landry honestly the bigger Jarvis Faster Jarvis obviously but really talented guy. I think that playing behind or the fake. The fact that chase wasn't draft eligible I think should have given Jefferson a little bit more attention because he was just an absolute. He was clutch. How he was just awesome and I think that he did himself a huge favor and then he really capitalized dying. Because as you mentioned he killed the combine for based on where expectations where he was awesome. Oh for sure for sure he was. He was a really good solid presence in. That's what Las Vegas needs so because their quarterback positions a little bit in flux right now you think in terms of where they want to go with that forward so all that say this is going to be an interesting pick. Tremendously excited to see what Jacksonville would do at the spot. I hate the fact that I feel like I'm making the the really difficult picks here in the spot and I mean while you're looking you know somethings that could happen for Jacksonville. Here's big variable trade up. They've got plenty of picks on this draft to that they could make a move up for a guy that they want Instead of sitting tight at twenty the other option is is if the board felt like felt like this you know wide receivers are gone. You know you don't love any other corners or anything here They could bogey out of this spot to I think there's some other teams that would be willing to trade up in front of Philadelphia potentially for one of the linebackers. There's definitely some options on the table. Here which could be good for Jacksonville. Yeah and it's just it seems when you're talking about the cornerback. Position in Jacksonville seems criminal. That were were talking about an empty covered as a postal. I mean just where they were one year ago when essentially I mean yeah at that point. Jalen Ramsey is already a malcontent but then Aga on the other side and I mean that was. Aj At a couple of years ago was the number one graded Corner Jalen Ramsey was Aj and then of course you think about like the AFC championship game. He's the one that New England ultimately went after All right I'm GONNA go ahead. I'M GONNA get a little creative with this one and I think that they're gonNA they're gonNA take a chance and I think they're going to go with Christian Fulton at the spot. It's not a now again not what I would do but I think that Jacksonville is also a team like you mentioned. Really trying to strengthen what they've got going on the defensive perimeter it that cupboard's bare right now. I think Fulton is a guy where e some of his tape. You love what he's able to do and there are times where you see these tapes. You're like man. What the Hell Are you doing? So I mean it's a project but I think something that could ultimately work out for Jacksonville and the long term so I think that's where they go this pick until like I think Krista Fulton is similar to CJ Henderson with less athletic pizzazz and less overall man-to-man cover talent. I think you know if we're going to give. Cj Henderson a man demand covered grade Christian. Fulton's like be. Plus maybe a Midas you know. He did run in the four fours. Combine which was good. He's definitely a little scrappy than Henderson is. Shown to be That's a good pick for Jacksonville and I think if you take a corner at twenty a draft and he ends up being your number one. That's awesome if he becomes your number two. I think that's fine So I think that's a solid pick for them for sure will say thing here is this pick is from the rams so this is ultimately what what they trade Ramsey four. So are you getting comparable value? Not really but I mean like a decent a decent ceiling with Fulton said there are times especially early in the season. He was looked at as corner. A leg of I wouldn't say that he was on Kudos level but he was looked at as easily. The number. Two guy in this class Jahan's and see Henderson Demon. Didn't even really have a great season and managed to still them just because Fulton really struggle at times the Syria and wasn't really the focal point in that for that defense has Derek. Stanley was so damn good. Yup Yeah no for sure. I think those are all spot on points. They're twenty one. I mean supposedly Philadelphia wants to receiver here supposedly it. The dream is just Jefferson. I just don't understand what the deal is. What they're receiver situation. They they have Sean. Who's long Matoos's there I get that Contracts to be tough to get rid of him so probably stuck with him They do have Sean Jackson who is again a little bit older as well. But I mean he's still got the athleticism behind him and like people forget that they did draft. Jr Sega whiteside last year like Jj Jayjay could easily be a replacement for Alshon they're very similar what they do. Body dudes up in high pointing the ball. So I just don't feel it but I mean I think Philadelphia needs to get fast across the board. Their state had a little bit of a dragon lag last year. So I'm taking Patrick we're lot of. Lsu I think we have four lsu picks at this point They had quality on defense at at now starting to show. Patrick Queens sidelined a cyanide linebacker. He's good in coverage not outstanding by any means. But he's not GonNa let you down so you can play all three downs and I think he they just need. They need a presence on the defensive guys all over but like they don't have a core presence. I saw somebody else. Mcqueen to Philadelphia a couple of weeks ago and Philadelphia didn't like it so that's probably what's going to happen so they can get over it. Yeah that's cool. Let's go ahead and cut it for now and then we'll we'll do a part to an will finish up the last. How many ten picks off to something like that? So yeah I mean I'm I'm down for whatever if you WANNA stop. That's fine if you want to finish it up. I'm good for either way. Yeah well we're already running up on an hour so we can try. I didn't even look at the timer. I just checked it so all right. We'll go ahead and we'll run apart to We'll get that taken care of tonight and then we'll get it out to everyone so thanks for tuning in to the first twenty one picks of this draft present. My name is Keith. I don't think we even introduce ourselves at the beginning of the show. How committed we are to the craft to everyone. 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DJ & Peter Schrager's Mock Draft

NFL: Move the Sticks with Daniel Jeremiah & Bucky Brooks

54:34 min | 7 months ago

DJ & Peter Schrager's Mock Draft

"Hey everybody I'm Daniel Jeremiah. And today is a fun. I've got my buddy Peter Schrager. You know him from Good Morning Football. You know him from Fox. Sports Peter is plugged in as anybody in the national football league and had a little time on his hands. I had a little time on my hands so we got together. We joined forces and we're able to put together a mock draft where we just go every other pick and go from one all the way to thirty two and provide our analysis. What we're hearing. What we know about these players thought it'd be a really fun exercise so I think you're gonNA enjoy today's episode also WanNa courage if you haven't checked it out yet. We have our three sixty series. Which is out right now. We're we're focusing on the top quarterbacks from this year's draft class we do a deep dive. We study them. We talk about them as players. But then we get a chance to interview their college. Coaches high school coaches teammates. Those that have trained these guys in the lead up to the draft. It's really a deep dive on the top signal callers in this year's draft class. I think you'll enjoy those. If you just check us out on apple podcast your favorite podcast APP. You can find the videos for these features on. Nfl DOT com slash. Mt Video. You can also check those out on Youtube. Youtube dot com slash. Nfl podcasts. Well let's go ahead and get this one started. This is me and my buddy Peter. Schrager is going to be a fun. Cincinnati bengals on the clock next to Thursdays from. Now all right. Well let me just start by saying they have the first pick. The best player in the draft is chase young. Who's HIEAUX STATE RIGHT DOWN? The road second most important position in football. So what the I. I'm not going to do. I'm GonNa Take Joe Borough. I'm GonNa take the best quarterback in the draft. I think they'll have options and you'll know more about this than I will but from folks. I talked to if they wanted to haul they could get out and I'm sure Miami would come up and give them a hall of picks but my rules personal rules. You don't trade off of a franchise quarterback and that can be your guy for the next fifteen years turning the card at Joe Borough. Yeah and you know. The thing that that was big at the combine was at borough might not be dying to go to Cincinnati. I think a lot of that has tempered a lot by the time we got into March and now with. What's going on like everything I hear? Is that borough would be more than happy to be the face of the Cincinnati bengals in his home state especially they did in the free agency season where they actually went against the grain and spend a couple couple of dollars and brought new guys. I'm I feel like I'm doing. I'm checking I've got my list. I'm just checking it off. Sri Going through checking them off one by one so he's GonNa snap board number two no funny business here either. This comes from everything. I'm hearing chase. Young is going number two to the Washington redskins. Let's not get silly. Let's just do what you've gotta do to have an identity? The real issue here with to go into the REDSKINS. They haven't had a chance to have them in the facility. They don't know what their doctors haven't seen them. So you look at the redskins. They have a strength on their team and people would argue. You don't just draft something that you already have. And they have a great defensive line and Doron pain and Jonathan Allen and Matt Ryan Isis and even Ryan Kerrigan is still playing good football at thirty one years old. So why would you take chase young well? Because you're Ron Rivera and your defensive coach and you have an identity. We're going to punch you in the mouth and we'll go from there. Do I think going Haskins better than I don't know? Do I know that doing asking will be under center next season? I know at least he's healthy enough to be. My doctors can tell me so my last point on on Haskins good opportunity for him in a weird way with what's going on to exhibit his leadership throughout this entire strange situation in the country and say okay guys. Let's get together. Let's get on zoom. Let's get some workouts going. Virtually whatever it is. I think that actually hurts to a quite a bit that he can't meet with the Redskins one on one multiple times and certainly didn't have approached one thing I think that's harder for the redskins here is if they did want to make the decision to go. Quarterback is that they just haven't had as much time around Dwayne Haskins because the building's being shut down so think that would have made that decision a lot easier for them if they just had a better feel for what they had there. But shrugs you know we talk all the defensive linemen? They have with the Redskins last year. Third Down Defense dead last. Yeah so it's not good enough. Let's get some more firepower chase young. I love that pick number two. I'll go to Detroit here at number three again. I feel like we're going chock here to start this thing. It'll it'll get off the rails. I promise at some point time. But when you trade Darius slay you'll need on your roster and to me there's a tremendous drop off from sleigh to true font They still need a premier corner. And if you look at the bill belichick tree look what bill. Belichick has really adapted as his defensive philosophy. He's one of the few guys that believes you. Kinda work at back to front investing your money in the secondary and you can kind of fill in along the defensive line. I think they ended up going with Jeffrey from Ohio. State the top corner plug and play Guy To me that's a no brainer. The only question would be. Did they take him at three or more likely? If they have an opportunity slide back to five or six. Get the same player. Yeah you know I was on the around. The League podcast with Chris. Wesseling they they were. They were very very for that. They are very aggressive over text message. Now they're actually great and wesseling made a good point he was like if you're lions fan like you just got rid of. Sleigh WHO's probably going to be a better player than Okuda next year. Like how can you justify trading sleigh and then say okay? We'RE GONNA draft another corner? What would be your response to that while the money? Difference first of all you had to pay sleigh big money going forward. They didn't want to do that. So you get a first round pick. You're going to more affordable option. You'd get a younger player. I'm going to have a long sustained career there and they can use that money. They saved on Sleigh to invest it in other areas their roster so to. That's why it makes sense there but I don't know when I look at what their other options are here. What are the players could be in the mix? My Love Isaiah Simmons. But you look at that team right now and I just think. Okuda makes a big impact for them with where they are the roster. Yeah number four. The New York giants I think offensive line. I don't think they take Simmons here and I think it's GonNa be Judge Wills that's my pick here at an Alabama versatile tackle or guard and say okay. Well let's breakdown worse. Becton verse for this is such a such a silly thing to say but like Nick. Sabin coached wills Joe Judge worked for Nick. Sabin there's a comfort there. I feel like Joe. Judge is a good judge of character. Guys he's had in at least knows the pipeline if there was any affection there in everyone's says this kid is the real deal as far as character and performance and potential. I think that seems like the of the three of Beckton of wirth's WHO's coming out of Iowa and of course we'll hear a lot about will's as much as other than he didn't have the combine performance that everyone else did. I think that that makes more sense for the giants. Based on the fact they haven't had a chance to meet with these other guys and they might not be as familiar with the other two prospects that offensive line. I would say I heard early on that. That he get tristen worth so I have had tristen wharfs going there. However and talking to a whole host teams I would say the majority of them. Have Jed Rick Wills as the top offensive linemen and this to me number two. I have becton first and then I have wills their wills is a better player right now back then. You're kind of betting on the come. A little bit of what he can become because he's such a physical freak So that's why I have it but I think those two guys are the top two two and I think the safer play which would lean more towards Dave gettleman sensibilities would be generic will so. I think that makes a lot of sense all right five the Miami Dolphins. They're sitting there. There's a couple of quarterbacks on the board what's the PIC de well fortunately here at Jeremiah draft headquarters. We don't have a medical department so I don't have to be beholden to a medical grade here and I can just take who I think is the best football player and so for me. The Miami Dolphins at number five. I'm going to go to a tongue. Ovalles Loa I'm not gonNA rush him onto the field but I just think when you look at him on the field and compare them side by side with Justin. Herbert I think too is a much better football player And the fact that I don't have a medical grade right in front of me I can't disqualify him so I'm GonNa go to push back on you in your latest mock draft. You actually assigned. I believe Herbert to the dolphins and not to the reasoning. Being what the reason being that I've heard from talking to a bunch of folks that the Miami Dolphins Love Joe Borough. That's pretty universal. After Joe Borough there's a split in the room and you hear Justin Herbert has some supporters into a has some supporters. So if it's close tie goes to the healthy your player so to me. If I'm guessing right now of what they will do. I could make a case okay just in Herbert. Might have a little bit of a leg up here just because of the health factor but with this one because we're pals I wanNA take who I wanNA take you so I'm going to put two there because that's what I'd like to see happen for them. Which leaves the Los Angeles chargers at six a team that you do radio color for during the season a team that I have been tracking very closely this offseason at the quarterback position. They Lose Philip Rivers. They have tyrod Taylor. I think they draft either two or Herbert. Whoever's there at six I'm going to go with Justin Herbert with the sixth overall pick to the Los Angeles chargers. Your heir-apparent to Philip rivers down the road. I don't know if he starts in your one. I think he could start your one when you're a senior who was rosebowl. Mvp in an academic. All American think you could pick up offense. I also think physically at the combine. He showed some things that I was. Not necessarily aware of. The arm was incredible and he looks the part. This is a big strong ox guy with a brain. I I know a lot of. Nfl evaluators are down on the leadership. Which to me seems like a vague intangible and not because he's been arrested four times but because he's a little bit quieter than your typical quarterbacks. I would point to ally Manning Joe flacco not exactly rollock at me guys. I've made my case Justin. Herbert go six in Los Angeles chargers. So this is something I've hinted at and haven't talked a lot about it. But this is where the fascinating decision would be if if the board right and we assume and we long have assumed it would be a quarterback. They have a need. It's either going to a Herbert herber too. Depending on WHO's there. The decision is going to be made forum. But let's just assume maybe they have much higher grades onto a then. They can't get up to get him okay. So now. You're sitting there at number six and you've got Justin Herbert who you like. But you don't love and you've got Isaiah Simmons who when you are in that division with Patrick Mahomes and low down that chiefs offense and you have Derwin James and you have Joey Bosa. You have Melvin Ingram You've got who I think is one of the young. It's going to be young start. Linebacker and drew tranquil. Nobody talks about. They've got you. Go Out and get Chris Harris. You've got Casey Hayward I mean this could be one of the best defenses in the NFL and one. That's geared to try and beat the Kansas City chiefs people. Think think about last year how bad the season went for the chargers. And Look at those two games against the chiefs. I don't think mahomes threw for two hundred yards in either contest. In and now you drop a guy like Isaiah Simmons with his versatility athleticism and length. That would be a fascinating one. Then of course. They enroll tyrod Taylor this year. Maybe they get their quarterback. Maybe it's Jalen hurts in the second round or maybe that's something they do next year but I think that's at least a discussion that take place there. I love it all right. That said Simmons is still on the Board Seven Carolina Panthers Matt Rule in in my man. Mardi her near on the clock but DJ. You're the one making the pick panthers at seven. Go ahead to me. I pick of Matt rules regime there. Let's let's go with Isaiah Simmons and you look at the turnaround that he had at temple the turnaround he had at Baylor. It required patients when I talked to him and went and visited with him in Waco and then we had him on our podcast. And we talked about when you take over team. What are you trying to do? And he emphasized speed. I WANNA have fast football teams long fast players so when I look at that with the character of Isaiah Simmons to me. It's your first pick as an NFL head coach. You Line that you line that drive up and put it right in the middle of the fairway. So I'M GONNA GO Isaiah Simmons. It's no brainer geographically to it makes a lot of sense star at Clemson stays in the Carolinas. They have a local guy that they can build around and especially in an off season where you lose camp keithly and Olsen. Who are maybe the three most recognizable panthers outside of McCaffrey? I love it. I think that's a great pick and I think they'd be doing flips if he was sitting there at seven. I'm trying to waiting for you by the way because we've got eight coming up here and with your relationship with Kingsbury I'm waiting for this to expand and we're going to have a three-shot here and Kingsbury she's GonNa come on and tell us exactly who they're picking all right now. The truth is I have no idea who they're taking but look at their team. I would have thought maybe wide receiver at the combine. But then you make a trade for De'andre Hopkins Hopkins Fitzgerald and Kirk. You don't need that offensive. Line is a need and they've got offensive line the board but I'm going with Derrick Brown Auburn. The big defensive tackle. I feel like that's still a giant gaping hole for their team. They addressed it with a few players in free agency. They've got some guys on the Roster Derrick Brown one of those guys that had a huge twenty nine teen could have gone pro after twenty eighteen. I think he actually helped his draft stock. I'd be sad be shocked. We filled the top ten. This seems like it makes a lot of sense not a flashy pick but a darn good player. Derrick Brown goes to the Arizona Cardinals at eight overall. Okay I liked that one. Derek is great great player. This is one. We're not doing trades in this mock draft but I think in this scenario you could see a trade with Jacksonville so I think they've been very adamant about going out and trying to collect picks this year as well as picks in next year's draft. Think interrupt you. Do you think is urgency. Because of the fact that they got rid of Coughlin they got rid of all these star players. Like is Dave Caldwell GonNA WANNA and Doug marrone to. Are they going to hit a home? Run here in the for you think. They're still looking long term. I think this has been a reset on this franchise when you look at okay so I don't think I don't think of it like man we've got to get these guys. Come ON WE'RE GONNA win twelve games with this group of players in Philip Door set in the first round and I was like we're right there and my job is kind of like you. Don't feel that no I. I don't sense that so I actually think you could see them. Trade down accumulate more picks. There's the Trevor Lawrence Lottery. That's going to take place for next year's draft and I think you're gonNA see some of these teams. I like men's shoe and I think they're going to see what they have with him this year. But this very much a trial period for him. If it doesn't go well they could be in the quarterback market next year and having a bunch of assets in a draft that not just features Trevor Lawrence a couple of really intriguing players as well. I wouldn't sleep on that but since we're going to stick in pick here. Jacksonville has holes all over their defense. Shrinks I mean they they need help everywhere and I think we see kind of a little a little. Mini Ron tackles here. I'M GONNA go. Giovanni Ken Law Go onto the Jacksonville. Jaguars big defensive tackle out of South Carolina who has long very explosive at the senior bowl before he shut it down dominated for a couple of days of practice there and Tremendous upside in actually remind me a little bit of Marcus. Stroud think about when they had stroud and Henderson there on the jags going back in the day. This is that type of player. Ken Law might be a little raw. But if you're thinking long term this he might be the best prospect a on the defensive line and this entire. I love that too. I had them taken in my last mock draft as well sort of team needs but also about. Here's a guy who stock has really improved the last twelve months all right number two. Which tackle you giving a Cleveland here? They're gonNA take one right. I mean I saw that. You had Isaiah Simmons falling and I understand how that can happen. He's not he's not in the board right now he's been taking my line. I'm going to say with the tenth overall. Pick Kristin wharfs at an Iowa goes to the Cleveland Browns? I see the the the can't miss type factor of at least we know an offensive. Lineman at appearances program is GonNa come and play not going to be a total washout and not that becton would be a washout but there seems to be a lot more comfort amongst these gems with the Tristan worth selection over Becton despite what beckons done at the combine. And how big and how strong and how Nimble he is. I've got tristen wharfs going ten to the Cleveland Browns. Your thoughts tristen. Wharfs to me is interesting because when I first watched him I thought he'd be a guard. Reminded me a little bit of brains sheriff when he was coming out a very strong very physical but I thought I in the term like us. He'd be better off if you had two neighbors instead of one. He needs to live in the middle of the street. Not on the end of the street But you'd look what he did at the combine like okay acknowledged. This guy's a phenomenal athlete. But he has areas needs to clean up he over sets a ton which means if you know what that means. He's He's Joan Out. Too far he gets beat by a bunch. And that's that worries me. A little bit So I had him as my third tackle but ecstatic that you just took him here because that leaves for the jets big MCI Becton which is going to continue this off season theme of trying to protect Sam Darnold and that's what they would do in this situation. If you have a guy like Beckton plug and play. He doesn't have negative tape He just doesn't get beat. He's a massive humanity. He dominates in the run game. This is one of those picks that when you're watching at home as we all will be watching at home you will see. Sam darnold pumping his fist and you might see Levian Bell. Jump off the couch. Because they're gonNA be so excited to to run and throw behind this big fella so there you go your top three offensive tackle off the board. You've got the top defensive lineman but only three quarterbacks meaning love is still on the board and now we're at the spot with the raiders. And yet I think the raiders would take CD lamb wide receiver. I'd Oklahoma if the draft fell this way it could be lamb. It could be judy. It could be rugs. I have no insight on right now. I don't even know if they've set their board at the wide receiver position but I would think they would go wide receiver at twelve. And I'm going to go a CD. Lamb pair him. With some of the other young wide receivers they got Williams renfro and work from there. So CD LAMB WHO DJ. I had a GM. Compare him to the Andre Hopkins recently. I don't know if that's a little bit too. Richard Generous in comparison. I mean that is as bad. It's as probably as dominant a wide receiver at that. That building body and I think lamb is even taller than himself to me when you look at what he does after the catch is what I love. That's why has the top receiver in the draft. And he can go up the ladder and go after the football. The Way Hopkins does I would give Hopkins a little bit of an edge as kind of a fifty fifty catcher. But after the catch I would give lamb a decided advantage over hopkins with what he does. He's phenomenal after the catch. So I like that. Pick their for the raiders. And now I think we see you could potentially see a little bit of a run on wideouts We have one there with twelve. I'M GONNA come back with one in San Francisco. Can you think about that Super Bowl Kyle? Shanahan literally saw the ring pulled off of his finger by tyree kill. The throw was incredible. The throw is incredibly run once. We run WASP. Yeah maybe puts in wasp but maybe he puts in wash down there with the niners but he had a front row seat to see how that speed played. I'm as great as the throw was and taken 'em nine step drop from the gun which had never seen before which is fourteen yards back this ridiculous but the there was ten yards of separation. There was so much separation tyreek hill punt. But that's the speed and the biggest play the game and the biggest game of the year. The speed was the difference and cow. Shanahan now gets to get his own guy that he can play with. Can you imagine all that stretch boot that they run in in the Shanahan system or you can buy Jimmy Garoppolo time? And you've got from one side of the field Henry Rugs Henry Henry Rugs. That's why I'm taking Henry Rugs. I think this gives them an unbelievable toy to play with in this offense they get Jalen Hurd back healthy. You get Deebo Samuel taking that next step and you just dropped in Carl Lewis in the middle of this offense. I'm here for it man. That's what I want to see. It's a great pick and I gotTa tell you the Niners to me and I get criticized on good morning football for being so pro niners because you in Lynch and Shanahan are all buddies for them to be able to not lose buckner or Armstead but instead flip Buckner for thirteenth overall pick in a great draft and then keep armstead and then keep Jimmy Ward. That's a great job in free agency and if they get henry rugs. It's almost like a wash with buckner is all right. Well we kept armstead. We got guide. It's fantastic job is playing chess. Board would be fun and I would. Also we'll get to pick thirty one here in a little bit but I would anticipate you'll see them trade out one of these picks they're going to trade back they don't have a two three or four so they're gonNA end up trading back with one of these wants to collect some picks. Gotcha all right fourteen. Ten Bay buccaneers. Tom Brady is the quarterback. You need another offensive lineman. I'll go with Andrew Thomas Out of Georgia. Let's just keep Brady Upright. I don't care if the bucks go offensive line offensive line offensive line offensive line if they're going to be relevant this year. It's going to because Brady's the quarterback Blaine Gabbert they have a good offensive line. I don't think it's a terrible one. But they can upgrade a little bit. Thomas play tackle could play guard Very highly regarded probably not in that top three conversation but definitely in that top five. I'll go with Andrew. Thomas at Georgia with the fourteenth overall pick. He's somewhere on my seventeenth player I have Those other three guys. It's a little bit of a gap. If you don't get one of the big three I think you could see a little bit of a gap before Andrew Thomas. But he's still a player who's going to be day one starter for Tampa so protecting Tom. Brady I thought for a moment here. We could be looking at Jordan. Love with this pick. There's been a lot of heat out there. That they really like Jacobsen but this just feels to me like this is all chip in on. Tom Brady for one or two years. And you're not gonNA draft his replacement in the first round. You'RE GONNA have somebody to come in and help him so I see that very similar. They're all right now. We GET TO FIFTEEN WITH DENVER. And in this scenario it everything seems to be pointing trying to another weapon for drew lock when you made the trade of Emmanuel Sanders last year. I think partly because you know what you have in Portland Sutton who's a premier premiere number one white out in this league and with the depth in this draft class. You could get him out of the ROB and his Batman. Yeah Jerry. Judy is a heck of a robin. Fill out perfectly for their. That's what they're looking for. I think there's a chance you could see them. Try and trade up in this draft because when you look at the teams ahead of them they might be worried about man we could see three going row jets could go. Receiver raiders could go receiver. Niners could go receiver so if you see a trade with Denver moving up you have to believe it's to get in front of that. Receiver row there. But in this scenario they stick in pick. And God Jerry. Judy who some folks believes the best receiver in the draft? So not too bad. I know one team for sure. Told me that Judy's they're number one on the board. If he slips to fifteen denver I think would be very happy to take him which leads to sixteen the Atlanta Falcons. We know they did a bunch of moves on offense this past month when they really have a first round pick it every position. Seems like in all eleven spots. All first round picks. Whether it'd be Todd Gurley Hayden hers to ever. But the Falcons sixteen I know. They love their linebacker core. I know they've been good but if I'm looking at sixteen I feel like I need to get at least an edge. Rusher someone I I'm GonNa take. Aj EPIDEMIC PANACEA OUT OF IOWA. Solid Defensive Lineman Dan Quinn Ryan Morris would love to have another Gamer on that D. Line isn't necessarily tell but isn't necessarily von Miller. Pass rusher but just a sturdy down linemen. Let's stop the Ron. And let's get to the quarterback. It can be kind of that five technique if you think about that defense. That Pete Carroll's Ron Dan Quinn runs. You see what Gus Bradley. They can play with the heavier end and then they blew with an undersized and so he would be that heavier end somebody that can also kick inside and Russian side That would be his role there. If you bring in Fowler could envision third-down package where you're going to have fowler coming off the edge and you'd have lined up inside of him Kind of go back to what the niners used to do remember when they had Justin Smith and Smith and cowboy. Yeah how about that That's another story for another podcast. We'll see how that all goes But I liked that. I liked that. Move there okay. Let's get to you just went. Atlanta's got cowboys. I got your fighting Dallas cowboys here. I might switch it up on your here shrinks because I think everything's kind of pointing towards defense. You know you can look at corner another edge rusher to to come opposite of of Lawrence demarcus Lawrence. But I'm GONNA say man. They're getting ready to scratch a big check for Dak Prescott big check. Wow go in there. I'm not gonNA take a quarterback. Okay I'm going to get somebody to help my quarterback I'm GonNa Take Justin Jefferson from Lsu of it and give this give Dak Prescott another weapon in this offense. You Bring Back Amari Cooper now you have. Justin Jefferson Let's you know you're gonna find your wages shootouts. Once you get into the postseason especially Let's get some more firepower here. I'm going to go switch it up. Go just in Jefferson to the cowboys. Hey his numbers at their last year are silly. I think eighteen touchdowns one hundred eleven receptions and I talked to a offensive coach going into the wide receiver drills saying. He's really good but that offense was loaded and like you'll see when he does his measurements. He's not as fast as you'd hope for three and then he blew up the combine. And it's like I'm a first round pick shut up about. How about his numbers so I was expecting him to run. Kind of in the mid four fives. I mean as he's running his forty. I'm worried like setting the table. Like I love this guy so much. Mike. Don't be alarmed. If he doesn't run. Vahidi ran fast. Okay never mind. Just scratch that from the record now. He's he's as fast. I think if you put up numbers and Sammy. Watkins numbers They're almost identical. So he's got that type of speed and he's a phenomenal route runner and characters off the charts. Yeah and that's our fourth wide receiver taken on top. Eighteen picks. It leads to eighteen. Where I looking at the dolphins right now? Okay so we've got to already taken right with your fifth pick you and now. I'm thinking what else do I feel like? They still need some offensive firepower. But everyone and I did a mock offensive lineman in that first round. Everyone freaked out. It was like you have to protect whoever they are. Take awful awful on the offensive line is often. One of the worst offensive line's off. Is that right okay? So you've got this terrible offensive line. Everyone saying how bad they are. Okay find I'm going to go with a bit of a a reach. Tell me if you think this is too early for this player. But he's I think he's twenty years old super athletic at a USC Austin Jackson too early or no at eighteen. Well I think it's I think it's a little early based off how he played last year. But when you factor in how young is when you factor in. He missed the off season because he donated his bone marrow to his sister who was going through a trying so he didn't get a chance to train or anything in the season kind of started and just he went and he has the athleticism you love. He's a twenty year old kid one of the youngest players in the So there's more to come with him but it's GonNa take a little bit of time to develop. I think he'll find his way into the first round. Shrugs you know I mentioned how bad this offensive line was. I'm not a mathematician. But they were last in the league in sacks they were last in the league in rushing so throwing and running. Are those kind of important deal right in the in this little game football. That would help. Yeah they're not great at one so getting somebody that can help their on the law of long term. I mean that's they're not winning the superbowl next year right like we know that. And if you have to have this kid you've got two young guys. Maybe you left. Remember when it was like Matt Ryan and Sam Baker? We're taking the same year and it was like. That's what we're going to build around like. It's one of those deals. You get your quarterback and get your offensive tackle. Let's go from there all right. Sam Baker by the way son of the king himself David Baker nicely done anyway challenging softball. All right where we at her. What are we at nine? Nineteen they got CD lamb with the twelfth pick okay. The raiders got CD land with the Twelfth Pick. They were aggressive in free agency. That went out and got a couple linebackers that they really like. I still look at the corner position and think they could address that they've got the wide receiver taken care of. I'M GONNA go corner and as as Schrager likes to shop at At nordstrom Mike mayock likes to shop at Clemson. So I'M GONNA go. Aj Terrell F- early to play opposite of Trayvon. Molin his former teammate at Clemson. Give them too long athletic corners that can build around early. Dude is that is. That is as early as I've seen him. I like him. I think he had a very rough national championship game. When most people got to watch him. Is that early? Nineteen for Asia tour of. I don't think it's crazy. I I think when you look at him and watch him over the whole season. I think he's got a lot of good tape. He's tough he's he's tall along fast so you'll love that. He got beat up by Jemaah Chase in the national championship game. Jamaa probably GONNA be a top five picnics. A lot of people hate beats up a lot of folks in that game. It wasn't like it was somebody that was grossly out of position and just getting torched he's in great position he just what do you do? You know D- Got Dez Bryant and on a couple balls in that game so I think he's a good player And I think when you look at the needs here I think corner is one and just knowing a little bit. Cj Henderson from Florida. I have a higher grade on and I think I expect him when it's all said and done if it falls right that he will go as the second corner but he is not a good tackler which dings him a little bit on his toughness and if we know anything about mayock if he is all about toughness so. I'M GONNA GO. I'M GONNA go shopping at Clemson again here. I like it and you mentioned the great. Cj Henderson at a Florida who is a lightning fast player and believes he's one of the top corners in this draft. I think that's the next pick. We've got the Jacksonville. Jaguars at twenty. I will go C. J. Anderson. You still haven't filled that void when you lose. Aj Boy and you lose Jalen Ramsey. I think this makes a lot of sense. Cj Henderson a Florida product. Back in the day it'd be like the Jaguars would only exclusively shop at Florida. Everglades have all those guys. I'm going with. Cj Henderson to the Jaguars twentieth overall. I liked that one. Now this puts me in a tough spot here with the Philadelphia Eagles at twenty one you think receiver and if you pick anything other than receiver Philadelphia. They're going to be happy. No question so when we look at the top four guys being gone. Now you're looking at for me Brandon. Iu who I love from Arizona. State think it'd be a great fit there. What he can do. Run after catch can be that. Vertical speed guy plays much faster than Iran. I think Iran four five flab. He he blows by everybody on tape. So that's an option you've got higgins not the fastest Ganim world but you know a play above the rim fifty-fifty ball player and then you know you've got jalen Reagan. I think it's a little early for him. The speed received from Tcu so eagle fans. Then you're going to be upset with this but just get on board. This is the first time in a million years. You Go linebacker in the first round you go Kenneth Murray home and you get somebody you can park right in the middle of that defense. That can be a stud for them and be the leader of that defense for the next decade. Tell them a little bit about this kid's character and what he's made of off the charts special needs siblings and he is ultra involved in in their lives and just the People Oklahoma. This kid walked on or this kid got two campuses. A seventeen year old started. They wanted Oklahoma. That doesn't happen all that often. Immediate impact leader on that team. He's just got special wiring so And he's lucky six to two hundred forty pounds. It can fly to so you're not sacrificing the player but you also get the person leader. I talked to somebody Oklahoma shrinks. It said this is one of my three favorite players. I've ever been around like that's how special this kid is. I've told this story to combine. We were on the broadcast but offensive coach. Not even a defensive coach told me the morning after meeting with Kenneth Murray. That was my favorite combine interview. I've ever been a part of this kid. Is that good and that much of a leader so I actually between us I think he I think eagles fans I'd be like linebacker but I would be surprised if he was even available at twenty one with with the with the variables of this draft and people not knowing about character and not knowing about what these guys can do on the board. Lend US early like I think. That's almost a sure thing in this kid's GonNa make a player to me. I've used this phrase in talking to some gym buddies. Which is this is. This is a doubles draft. Man You don't swing for the fences get guys that you feel comfortable about you know him you know what they bring and just try to stack those types of players up just taking taking wild swings and risks. When you don't have the information that can get you in some trouble. Just just hit right in the fairway this kid to me. You're not going to miss. On Kenneth Murray I love it next. Team is the Minnesota Vikings at twenty two in these Stefan digs trade. Very interesting spot right now because you lose digs and you think okay is Olabisi Johnson going to be the number two receiver to Adam Phelan but they also had a lot of needs and offensive line. They lost some defensive backs. I'm going to go with the twenty second. Pick for the Minnesota Vikings. I'm looking at my board and I think the selection is going to be a defensive back a corner out of UTAH. Nope I'm going. I'm going different. I'm going with defensive back out of Lsu. I'm going Christian Fulton quarterback at Lsu. I know you like the Utah Johnson kid more seen him in your mock draft higher. He might be a better athlete. I feel like big games. Rick Spielman likes to look at. I feel like big opportunities. Krista Fulton is going to be a starter in the NFL. It's not a safe pick necessarily. But he's a guy who I think it's a first round grade and with the Vikings are trying to fill out on defense. Losing Xavier Rhodes losing some other players. I like Christian Fulton twenty two to the Minnesota Vikings Christian Fulton lucky got beat up on some place this year. But you gotta remember the kid they had on the other side. Stanley is the best cornerback in all of college. Football Young Kid and people tried him early in the year and quickly realized we'll go after Fulton. We'll take our chances with Fulton. So he did give up some plays but he's another one who you know when you talk to people there. They compare them personality and character. Wise to Davis White and we know what he's emerged to be in the NFL so I see there with Minnesota they. They need a receiver but they go. corner there. They stop another pick here coming up in a minute. So we'll see what they do. They're the most important maybe in the entire first round the Minnesota. Vikings are not the fake. It's the New England Patriots at twenty three so we have the New England patriots here. I don't think they go quarterback I'm going to go with kind of a an Ode to Logan Mankins and say that they are going to take somebody maybe a little bit earlier than you think. They know he just going to be a really good player. That can can plug in forum. I'm going to say go Caesar Ruis Center who can play any of the three interior spots. It's the most patriots thing we all think sexy and they think let's go get. Let's go get the four by four Let's go get the center from Michigan. So that's my surprise there for the pats they got chased would've last year out of Michigan. Now they doubled our. What's the reaction from Patriots? And I'm not saying they're crazy like I go bonkers eagles fans and they do they trust the process and say okay bell check knows. That's my guess is that they just say. Oh we know something. The rest of the League doesn't know yeah. All right twenty four the saints are up. I loved going out and getting Emmanuel Sanders. I think getting Malcolm Jenkins is good there. Maybe I was looking at rosters yesterday. Dj I think the saints might have the best roster and football like I struggled to come up with needs men like when I was going through and putting my needs together with them and trying to figure out what direction that they could go on like what I don't know man. They're pretty good across the board here. They're absolutely loaded. And you know they don't have a third wide receiver necessarily that you'd say okay. That's the guy and a good wide receiver draft. But I'm going to go and stay in that state. I'M GONNA go with Patrick Queen the linebacker at Lsu and you could talk more about the player. I'm thinking more about the team. This is the kind of guy that they know is going to make an impact billion one year at Lsu where he was a star but he was a star and he might be the fastest linebacker in the entire draft right. Yeah he's my. He's I actually have him over. Kenneth Murray so that tells you what I think of him. You know you have is as Simmons is the top linebacker something. Listen as a safety But I have an idea Simmons Queen and then Murray so and I'm with you in terms of were this roster is I could see them saying. Hey we're just gonNA take the best available player because You don't really have a glaring need when when you look at him on paper so I love that pick. I think that makes a lot of sense. Now we get to Got Minnesota their second one here will you didn't go receiver so you left the the Christian picket twenty two. I'M GONNA GO BRANDON FROM ARIZONA STATE. Who is unbelievable after the catch? Kirk cousins. Get the border hands. Quick let this kid go. Let Him Make something happen although I would not rule out with them trading back and picking up an interior offensive Lineman as well. Bradbury's stood at center. They gotTA GET BETTER AT GARDEN NEXT DOME SO L. Find did not play well last year so I would imagine you'll see them attack that position early on I. You is One of these guys whose at a what would you say a Glamour Position? But maybe wasn't a household name like Judy Lamb. And Rugs. What would be the dossier on if they taken. Is he better than what digs might have been when he came in like? What are we looking at? While he was different I mean diggs. Just hadn't been healthy Maryland. He was a five star recruit. Everybody knew about him And then just kind of slip. Because he wasn't healthy and he was a more polished route runner. Coming out than is You though I would say even after the catch I would probably give you a little bit of an edge there. He's phenomenal he's returner. He's outstanding in that area. This kid that toughness standpoint was offered coming at a junior college by all the SEC programs is a corner of wanted to play wide receiver. So he went to Arizona State so this is a really really tough physical and had to take a back seat his first year at Arizona State after junior college. With the kill Harry there. In hindsight that was a mistake. I think he's a much better player than kill. Harry and that'll be reflected at the next level and of course Nick Harry a first round pick a year ago. All right interesting. The third dolphins pick right now and remember. We got to and then. I went really early with Austin Jackson. The offensive lineman out of USC. This is probably going to be looked at as a reach by you and maybe by others but I love that. They have devante Parker who started playing. Well I like the Kid Believe Williams who had some moments last year but I think they're going to go wide receiver and I'm going with a speed guy and a guy who did it up at the combine. I'm going Denzel. Mims Aereo at of Baylor to the dolphins with their third first round. Pick completing offensive sweep of quarterback offensive tackle and wide receiver. Denzel mims tell the folks about Denzel mims the well. He's he ran in five four threes. This is somebody that has unbelievable acrobatic catches when you watch him on tape very athletic There's some inconsistency as a route runner. He wasn't asked to run the entire route trees. We like to say scouting so it's GonNa take a little bit of time to develop as a complete receiver had a great week at the senior bowl and then an unbelievable combine so if you look at the trend line with him it just continued to climb as we went through the process. Coming out of the fall. I don't think many folks were thought of him as a first round player but I think as we get towards the draft. It's as distinct possibility because I had him. I took them over La- viscous Chenault who absolutely love. But I just feel like I don't know about healthy especially with what's going on in the country right now in the draft process being so weird have a hard time using a first round. Pick on channel. Yeah I don't think you'll go in the first round. I think you'll go off the board and the top of the second would be my guess But that gets me to Seattle Twenty Seattle. I think would like the situation. Because they've got their pick a couple pass rushers Kayla von Chason still available right now from from. Lsu's a real fast ball coming off the edge you tour. Gross Mottos from Penn State is another very productive. Rusher their in the big ten. I'M GONNA say they they opt for the athleticism and they with Caleb on Jason. We'll see you know what happens with them. The rest of this draft but I think getting some more reinforcements along that defensive line will be a priority but when you watch this year you get better each and every game and then played well once they got into the postseason there. with Lsu. But somebody that's long. He's very very explosive with first step. He's still developing as a pass rusher. going to be able to combine moves them together widen his arsenal a little bit but no better team to go to the Seattle seahawks to help. This kid can reach his full potential Twenty eight is the Baltimore Ravens. I am currently recording this with you from Baltimore and I will break the fourth wall my in laws and my wife and my brother-in-law. They're all diehard ravens fans and. I wake up every morning as I'm here in Baltimore and they're asking me who the Ravens taking taking back you think. I know the I think the Ravens are going to take defense and the guy that I have them taking. Gross Mottos at Penn State. Everything I've heard about the guy is that he's a fantastic player but also a great kid. He's overcome incredible tragedy in his life. And I think he's a first round pick and I think he fits that wink. Martindale John Harbaugh mentality of I'll punch in the mouth but I'm also a smart player up here. He's somebody that the more I watched him the more I liked him. You know when I first watched Mike Okay Guy. Plays a little bit upright and I don't know but then I started really digging in on him. I thought okay. This is a really Polish. Pass rusher He's got great hands. He's a finisher at the top of his rush doesn't have that elite get off or twitch but he can spin inside he's got a nice he's really outstanding when they loop stunt him In the run game there's going to be times where he gets stuck on. Blocks needs to get better in that department. But that's that's why you take a guy like that at this portion of the of the first round. If he was clean in every other area he'd be long gone by now so I think this makes a lot of sense at this point time. Twenty nine. Is the Tennessee Titans. We know what they did this off season. They found a way to keep Derrick Henry and Ryan Tannehill at least for the short term. What's the draft pick for? John Robinson? The Titans at twenty nine well right now. They would line up with Dennis Kelly at tackle. When you lose Jack Conklin that would be the replacement I would think. They would like to upgrade their And that would be an option. I think that they wait on that though and And maybe attack. That need a little bit later on. And I look at the board and see what's available right now and I look on the defensive side of the ball can never have too many quality corners. I think they will go to corner here. And I'll go jalen Johnson from Utah and plug that one in right now Somebody that can gin fits the culture real. Tough Kid That's the Tennessee. Titans brand of football. I think they would like the way this kid plays. Yeah no and you know they. What was his name Kerry combs? Who was the defensive backs coach forever there from Ohio State last couple of years? He's no longer there but their strength I think at times is at defensive backfield. I'm not mistaken again. I'm living in a basement in Baltimore. I believe Logan Ryan is no longer. He's a free agent has resigned yet. That makes a lot of sense to me that they would go corner. There aren't keep us rolling here shrinks. All right we've got three more picks in the first round and then we're done green bay packers who was quarterback still out there. Shrinks back is still out there. Do you take them just for the sake of taking in because why not I mean who's their backup now is it to Sean. Kaiser's their backup. Now he's gone. I believe he is a raider. Let's do it. Let's just go with it. I'm GONNA take the big boy. Love Out of Utah State here at thirtieth overall. It seems like I'm doing fit here. Aaron Rodgers is now older than what Brett farve was when they drafted Aaron Rodgers. Back in two thousand five. I'M GONNA go with with love at eight and feel like the very least. It's not going to get them to any further than the NFC championship game. They don't have that instant immediate guy but it does set them up with a player they can groom and low floor obviously an offensive coach. And they've got some good offensive coaches in Nathaniel Hackett out there and Aaron Rodgers can groom someone Look Brett. Hundley wasn't the answer clearly to Sean. Kaiser wasn't the answer. Let's go with love at thirty and DJ. Let me ask you. Would you be shocked if he slipped to thirty? I've had this potential scenario existing to me. The team to watch is Oakland. I say Oklahoma method up a million okay. So if the Raiders. Pass on love twice then I think. Then you're looking at New Orleans as a potential spot but man with drew brees come back for one more year. This feels like a similar to Tampa. Let's go man. Let's go for this thing. Let's get somebody that can help? This year is trying. Get One one more trophy here. So and then. It's not the raiders. And if it's not the saints this is where it is this is the spot by packers and I personally I would run that card up for Jordan. Love at this point from the packers you go from that long run with Brett. Farve who hands it off Aaron Rodgers and now potentially you can handed off this kid. What does that going to be like? Forty five years of quarterbacking three guys. I mean that's a dream to have that type of a scenario right now so to me. I would turn the card. Anything can happen and first of all. I don't know what the verb is. It is it. How's Zoom in the card? What do we say? Because Zoom is butch is it I will. Email text is a slam. My one question. I love because I think the quarterbacks or the Glamour Position We had the first three guys going to the top six. Is there any chance? Of course there's a chance. Could you see teams taking love before two or Herbert? Oh I could. I've talked teams that have Jordan. Love ahead of Herbert. So that wouldn't completely shocked me and the other thing when you compare what to the Health. We keep factoring that in. And if you talk to any of the quarterback coaches. I'm sure you've talked some. I've talked to Everybody agrees everybody says the same thing Jordan loves ceiling is higher than anybody else including Joe Borough in this draft. He throws it better than anybody. it's just a matter of getting comfortable with his decision making with the turnovers. The way they were this year. You know we lost nine starters. You know the coaching staff changed over. He's playing with inferior town against superior opponents but still at the end of the day. You can't throw late to the flat. That's football one on one too. Many pick sixes and the decision making is a little bit flawed. So if you're confident that you can get it out of him in my opinion if he can go somewhere where he can sit which is New Orleans or Green Bay it would be the ideal situation for him which leads to the thirty first overall. Pick the forty niners. I don't love their their second corner position here. You mentioned already the good chance they trade back on this thing. If someone's looking at trade up they don't have a second third or fourth I. You know I don't even know if I like Richard Sherman for the for the future so I think they have a weakness a defensive back and yet there is a safety that is still on the board that I have as a top twenty player and if they were to keep this I know John Lynch I feel like the first pick. Let's get what we need to get better. But I'm shocked at Xavier mckinney has slipped all the way here. I know they have Jimmy Ward. They got your tar. They've got some guys but I would think they'd go best player. On the board into exhibitor mckinney out of Alabama Safety Best Player on the board. They would find him and they'd find another guy who can play defense on that Robert Sala de well. That's a good option shrinks and if it wasn't even pick I'd let you make it but I'm not going to do that. I'm not GonNa let you make this really that up. I'm not GonNa you try you try to you. Try to get a little bite at the apple there. I get it. How do you say right when I start bleeding into this? And Say Hey. We've been friends for a long time. I wouldn't do that too. I'M GONNA go with the forty niners. Pick and see Xavier mckinney. Xavier mckinney is Is My third best available player at this time? He's a great value for this point in the draft rated higher than where we're picking however my best available player de Andrea Swift. They're not gonNA take a running back not the Shanahan way of doing business even though it can you imagine him in that But my second best available please defensive tackle and with deforest buckner moving on even though they have that depth you go get Ross. Blacklock who is very twitched. Up Very explosive twitched out. And you don't have to you don't have to you. Don't have to play a million snaps for this defense. Because they have so much depth so is explosive as he is now. We limited his reps. Now you're gonna see even more explosive player so I like that fit for them at thirty one. Although I think at the end of the day we both agree. They're not picking here no real quick on him the Achilles something you're familiar with you in an Achilles injury in the last couple of years the Achilles is it a big red flag considering teams might look at it from two thousand eighteen or is TCU DEFENSIVE. Tackle going to be alright because it's a couple years removed. The I think the time helps you there. I always say that with injuries. The more distance you can create between the injuries and when you enter the NFL the better off you are because we've seen what you look like in this new state and I think it'll be okay. Thirty second overall pick is now the Kansas City chiefs. And there's a guy on my board that is still not taking. And he's a player that I think can do a lot of things. And Examiner McKee mckinney safety. No honestly though I do I do go back and forth on this between whether whether team will take Jeremy Chin who might be a linebacker. And not a safety over mckinney or a queen or something. I don't have we don't Jeremy Chin and our first round and that I regret that I don't like that I know he's going to be a first round. Pick I just I I think McCain's the pick here if the chiefs hotspot thirty to the challenge. The interesting thing with the chiefs is that you look at the injuries that they had last year. So when you have tyrant matthew when he's fully healthy he can play the nickel he can play. High can do a lot of different things Then they have the the safety that they got from from Virginia. Why am I blanking on his name? Here shrinks who got hurt at the end of the year Juan Thornhill one thornhill good poll so getting thornhill back healthy and say okay. Well they have to safeties well a lot of teams like the play with three they use Sorenson and a lot of those roles as well. Now you get mckinney. Who thinks that his best when he's dropped down so when you get in passing situations he's almost like your dime. Linebacker would be mckinney. You'd have thornhill. Is Your High Free Safety and then you have tyronn Matthew covered in the slot as your nickel that would be kind of a dynamic trio. You'd have their that all all three of them outstanding instincts. Okay so we've done the mock draft the first round. We have our board. Is there anyone that was not selected? You're shocked didn't go in the first round to me. I've just look at the running back. Position de Andrea Swift is a top talent. And it's just gonNA come down to whether teams believe in taken aback. The challenge is when you look at needs. There aren't as many teams that need running backs. And then you factor in the depth of this class which I think will penalize the position because you can get one of the third or fourth round that that I really like So to me. He's a first round player. That might not go in the first round when it all shakes out one more question and I'll give you. Is there a player that you love? That wasn't selected in the first round player that I love that wasn't selected in the first round. I would say well I love Clyde Edwards Layer. I think he's going to be a great throw. I love that kid. He's I don't think you go in the first round but I think he'll go in the early portion of frown and I don't have the testing numbers in front of shrinks ran like four six flat. He jumped like forty inches. So in short area Burson explosiveness. Like this kid's got it and you. How many how many times have you seen a running back go into Tuscaloosa and completely dominate? The football game like Zakia did unbelievable. My Guy and I liked Chin from southern Illinois Wisconsin linebacker. And I'm GONNA play on. I really like him. I think. Probably not inside maybe outside in the NFL but just player that. Every time I watch big ten football he was showing up on the field and making plays into me sometimes as as elementary is. That sounds like if I turned the game on. And you're all over the field. I usually like that player in the pros. That's what honey badger was in college. That's what Lamar Jackson wasn't college like. Don't over think it to me. I'm not comparing Zach bond to those two opera talents but I do think he was. One of those players against good teams was always all over the place and I guess he's Act Bond. Going top twenty five Yamazaki Bond Fan. So he's I had hit. The guys that I had is my highest rated players. It did not go. Di Andrea Swift. t Higgins Clyde Edwards Allaire Zach bond so those would be my four highest rated guys that did not get picked in this mock draft but again it's one pick changes and it changes the complexion of the whole draft. Do you think in my last question because I said my last question three times. We'll wrap this and it's more becoming an interview than anything else. A lot of trades are little trades considering the new format with the virtual thing. I think we'll see. We'll see the normal amount of trades in the first round because you have a chance to place those phone calls before the draft. We know where everybody's picking nothing's changed. Okay if I'm if I'm you know the Dallas cowboys picking it seventeen. I've already had phone calls with everybody that picks in front of me. We've all agreed that if they want to get out and we WANNA get up we have kind of the parameters of what trade would look like so then when we're on the clock. Hey is your guy there and now he's not there we WANNA get out. Okay our guys air we WANNA come up. We've already hashed this all out. Let's do the trade done but when we get into day to day three when the board is changing the picks have all been changing hands and all that chaos you know trying to get one of those trades on the clock. I think it'd be a little more difficult. Well I hope you enjoyed that as much as Peter Myself did. It was a fun time to get together first of all just to see a good friend but then to go team by team and look at the way this draft could change happens that you're not expecting and it changes the course of the rest of the draft. 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Fallout From the NFL Draft, Rookies of the Year, Most Punchable Face, and Andrew Brandt

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Fallout From the NFL Draft, Rookies of the Year, Most Punchable Face, and Andrew Brandt

"Hey It's Bill Simmons. I wanted to tell you about a new podcast on the Ringer. Podcast network that we are launching this week. It's called TV concierge. It's only available on spotify. These are twelve to fifteen minute. Podcasts that review the latest TV show streaming on Netflix Amazon Hulu? Hbo Showtime fx Apathy. Wherever else will preview new shows that are launching will break down. The biggest shows that just launched will review the biggest binge-watch seasons that drop as they happen. You can listen to one you can listen to all three it's up to it's our new. Tv concierge podcast from the ringer podcast network thinking a little bit of a playlist. Pick and choose the ones you want to listen to. It's available only on spotify all right. Welcome to against all odds part of the Ringer podcast network. Coming off a fun weekend. I'm relatively speaking. We still were not allowed to leave our houses. How you doing? He'll producer Jim. Cunningham's with me what's going on man. I'm great another day could MP any bidder. Did you watch the draft? I was excited. We had something something that I lost a lot of money. I'll get into that but it was nice to have something to to stare at and football and be hopeful for the fall. How much of the draft did you watch a lot of it? No Yeah I watched most of probably the first and second round. I could've used more human interest stories football in that thing could of us even more could've draft notice funny stories. I did the I did. The podcast with Simmons Thursday night and he was making fun of Joel Nardi and all the human interest stories. I thought I remembered one or two but I played along and I made fun of Booger McFarland. And he kinda half laughed and played along and then we realized we weren't watching the same broadcast but he was watching the ABC version. I was watching the ESPN VERSION. Which was much more sports intensive less human interest side. We didn't pick up on that but I thought that a fantastic job I was happy. It was back I don't know I don't know I don't know what to think. I'm just happy anything's back. Maybe Tiger King wasn't that great. Maybe maybe maybe Michael Jordan was a bum role player. Who knows if Dennis Rodman is even interesting anymore? I don't know but we're GONNA. We're GONNA figure it all out this week with my Gu's of gambling my wizards of wagering my barons abetting my overlords of the odds that the Jenner. Try a Harry brother. Bry and Darren the Parlay Kid. What's happened in Fellas? What's going on south-south Zao up? What's going on but Andrew Brand is gonNA join us in a bid. He's longtime lead counsel for the Packers Front Office Guy. Been involved in tons of war rooms and drafts. He now is a podcast. The business of sports has got a new column on SL DOT com talking about Green Bay. We're GONNA talk about Green Bay what they did take Jordan love when they already. Avak quarterback a capable quarterback. It's it's it's interesting a lot of interesting things with this draft not the least of which the Parlay kid twelve and two with his picks. I think maybe even more I mean there are some little round of applause there. We don't get that a lot. We went over a lot of props. Poly Kid to to the dolphins. Dammit I should have just jumped on. That was nice. Yeah herber to the chargers to over four and a half Herbert over five and a half love over. Nineteen and a half quarterbacks under four and a half in the first round rugs the first wide receiver. Kenny me swift over hurts over from was your best bet. That was a winner from a draft. Might just got drafted like five minutes ago. Bama under players you also said Hilar- possible I running back. I don't remember that one but good job. Twelve to nine either. I I listen I I did released into the podcast about eight times as we talk just to feel really good about myself. I didn't mention Hilarious said Hilar- could possibly be the first running back taken. I Bet I really sal look. There's a reason why Tony Romo Pen me as And you guys were there when he said Hey. This guy knows more about football than anybody. I've ever met that. I remember that I do remember. Might have been a little too much blue gatorade and vodka that night for number nine. But he did say that he did actually say that. But I don't want to mention how much capital you turn. This into that does not reflect does not reflect twelve and two it does not and that's what happens when you parlay everything right You take one or two losers and everything becomes a loser but overall sales a fun time to bet I really kind of You know nothing. Nothing good or nothing bad really happened out of it so right. If you still still surviving was was it was fun. It was fun you know you could guarantee nothing. Good or nothing bad's GonNa come out of it. Don't bet at all which is what our friend Harry did. He had a lot a lot of opinions. he claims he went eight and three last week Herbert to the chargers love for our rugs under hurts. I'm reading all these Eddie. Sent me that. Oh but he lost his best bet which was a homer pick the Arizona Receiver To get taken over Riga right was that what was. That's what it was but come I you. I mean honestly San Francisco traded down. Because they wanted I I you And honestly what in the world were the eagles doing? I mean awful. I mean I don't regret. Green Bay was padding the draft Brian. Traders weren't grade either but I mean Philadelphia has had no name receivers at the end of the season. And they take when with the twenty one pick. They take Jalen Rieger He had one one hundred yard game as last fifteen games. I know he's fast but he's five eleven when Justin Jefferson's out there and at six foot three for Lsu and and all his stats and everything in the. They go rieger when he wasn't even picked in the first round by anybody. I mean Philadelphia. Come on get with it. Yeah I think well first of all I wanNA mention Joe House jumped on your pick. You were so excited about it and solidarity. He's like I'm jumping on aries bic. He put an ungodly amount on it and ungodly compared to your zero. Because what did you say you ran out of time? You couldn't bet on the draft because you ran out of time right ran out of time. Yeah I was busy that day. A lot of stuff going around going on around here I'm busy that brother Mommy draft. That's three years ago for this draft among the celebrity prowl. Again I got a lot of stuff going on around here. That's right you did scope a cliff. Kingsbury Bachelor pad their spectacular. You say maybe that's a good place for you to move your bowels now. That's where I go jogging every day. Right Bisons step it up. This is all you need to know about Harry. A I was getting. I probably shouldn't have mentioned this but I had a guy on the inside who was a privy to the Google doc and he was getting the picks like two and a half minutes ahead of time he was alerting me to them which I couldn't do anything gambling wise. I wasn't going to post them publicly. But it was just fun to know. And then bother. These guys ruined their surprise and Harry. Text me separately. Oh I'm doing a radio show. Could you tell me what the Pixar ahead of time I WANNA? I WANNA look smart. You want smart. I asked her a couple. I just wanted to slam the door on me. None that's right. Did the right thing. What do you think of that? Jim Cunningham amazing. What a scoundrel that would take a lot of picks for him the LOOKSMART. Yeah right when when many many when Harry Harry just said before the twenty one th pick in the draft? That wasn't smart said really. I know it's one twenty-one h right yeah brother Bry your best bet hurts over from good job by you. I jumped on that and shark tank. That was a winner. To to the dolphins you had loved to the packers. You mentioned offensive player over defend Andrew Thomas for the first tackle both at plus three seventy. That was nice. Four seventy five so that kind of wow. That was a good one for me right out of the gate. Considering that I think I lost like I lost like ten bets in a row right after that but between I felt like had hundreds of bats I ended up profiting forty six dollars so it's an how it always works so you see. Isn't it better not too bad? Jesus isn't it better. I guess. Tell Joe House that so. How's that I will say brother Bry? Harry's right about your raiders. Kind of set the wheels in motion. And did they everything up along the way they take. Rugs the fastest receiver. You're never supposed to take the fastest receive. A right. Isn't that how works sending the wheels in motion cowboys kind of had to take. Cd lamb there at seventeen. Which I don't even know if the eagles were planning on taking a receiver but they kinda had to after the cowboys cowboys had to take him to block the eagles from getting lamb and then. I'm not even sure I'll talk to the polly kit about this second. But you're raiders rugs. Damon are net from Ohio State. Sixty fifth on most draft boards. They take him late in the first round. You knew you aren't going to be happy. You predicted it and there you go. You should have won money for predicting that you would be unhappy. The raiders trial for sure. I mean I knew I was going to be unhappy. Look I I said last week between Judy. Lamb and rugs. You couldn't really go wrong. Except for the raiders. I didn't think rugs was the best pick but I'M NOT GONNA APPs I'm not GonNa Kill Them for it. I didn't really like it but I'm not gonNA kill them for the rugs pick but the Arnett pick was absolutely terrible again. It's one of those things. If you'RE GONNA draft this guy please just trade down ten fifteen twenty picks. He's GonNa be there if he's not. There's going to be somebody comparable that you can take. I'm sick of the Raiders. Doing this all the time and that really did That are net pick. I know you guys had under right for Ohio state players. So that screwed you guys on a bunch of bets You Know I. I'm just you know as it turned out when you look that day to the way the quarterbacks fell on my Arnett would definitely been there at the end of the Second Round. Probably into the third round we might add a chance of grabbing them there and another top guy at nineteen side really thought we. We blew that pick for sure. Doesn't that just suck? And I know Harry put grades on everybody. I don't like putting grades on drafts. 'cause think these players need to three years develop before you know but the one thing like poly you wouldn't grade. You're an educator you wouldn't you wouldn't give grades to keep kids first day of school right. You would just unless they were on the wrestling team or a football team. That for sure getting away. But you wouldn't normally you have to see what's going on before we give grades right and it's kind of silly. Yeah grades overrated. But that doesn't mean you can't enjoy you know right how well your team did or how. Well you think they did in the draft. The minute all remains to be seen But itself. You were to give our cowboys. What would you give wall? So here's what's interesting with the cowboys. In a lot of this may bolic's you brought it up and tax. It might have something to do with the fact that they didn't have a lot of the intercommunication that they would with these players. Normally they wouldn't they didn't even seek doctors didn't get to work out so the cowboys kind of and you said this. They kind of went on auto draft. They had the best player available at every spot like number one receiver number. Two receiver falls to seventeen and a very deep receiver class. You have to take them when you have. Trevan digs to replace Byron Jones at that second pick. You have to do that. The defensive tackle from Oklahoma's nice draft the Wisconsin. Senator to replace. Travis Frederick you do it and yes you gotta give them a grade. It's kind of like when we do our fantasy great draft and the guy who pretty much did the auto draft is GonNa get the eight because they ranked the players so the next day when you see it but yeah you were happy with it right. Oh Yeah By household exploded on the CD LAMPING. We were ecstatic. I read something today. from will mcclay. Who's really the cowboys draft? Expert there and He said Mike McCarthy had said to him players over system and I think that maybe helped forged away. They drafted there. And I think that's always the best way to go. A good coach will develop a system around his players right rather than vice versa. I think in some cases so McCarthy said hey get me the best players available and I'll make it work. I like that I like. I like the fact that Mike McCarthy said that I feel real good about it and they just had. They really addressed all their needs In this draft and you and I had talked about it unless on the last podcast about them possibly taking a receiver with their pick and they did and I know you hit that pretty well because that was about plus two hundred or something like that for them to take an offensive player I picked. Yeah plus fifteen. Yeah Yeah I was excited about having a win. Actually out of the dozen. It's recommended yeah. That was good. You have to feel good for the cowboys which makes me think there's not going to be a season because because it all just kind of work out for them maybe and that's the other thing we talked about it. You know everyone's like the cowboy haters like Oh you passed on safety in the first round your good luck good luck. You'RE GONNA have to score fifty to win these games like real first of all. Since when does a safety change? The course of the whole I never happens with the cowboys. Have the worst. We really swing and miss a lot on on defensive like cornerbacks and safeties secondary players. Like you know Mars. Clayborn was worst picked first round pick of all time. We traded up for him. I don't even remember Wilcox's okay. Seven years ago I I was totally fine passing on safety or Corner. There aren't you. Yeah well listen buried church and Jeff Heath been there safeties. Yeah they're both undrafted by the way and their defense has not been spectacular. Maybe that's why. But they did exactly what they had to do. And I heard they might be moving One of their d-box a YMCA to safety now. From what I said because they drafted some that very deep at defensive back now and I think that might be a good Changed for him as well. So yeah you just take the best player figure the rest out. That's that's how it should be how it goes. We're going to go over They have odds. Fox Bet has odds out for offensive rookie of the year defensive rookie of the year and the first player drafted in next year's draft was just kind of fun. We're going to go over that right now. Offensive Rookie of the Joe. Borough no surprise there. Plus two fifty favorite Clyde Edwards Allaire the chiefs running back. They slam them so all right. I got killed with two bets. The under two and a half players from Ohio State. Take in brother. Brian's raiders screwed me there in Youtube Paul again with the taking the corner there that should have gone like seventieth and a and the other bet was that Alabama would would have more first round selections and Lsu. They had a four to one lead by the Seventeenth. Pick and then. It was tied for the longest time for four. All right. Let me just get by this. Frigging Clyde Edward. Solaire Malcolm Jamal Warner pick. And I'll be fine. Sure Shit the chiefs take him so I lose five four there. Lsu had a lot more players anyway as ended up but that first round they won five. Four that's buried me. Those two picks may way hilarious. Second at seventy one. Jonathan Taylor nine to one number three To attack Lova tend to one as fourth and then the Andrea Swift is also tend to one jerry. Judy thirteen what else Cd LAMB fourteen. So on and so Jacob Dobbin Sixteen Justin Herbert Seventeen to one. Let's go with you. Harry. You're going long. Shot here for offensive rookie of the year. I am GonNa go with the twenty second pick overall by the Vikings The wide receiver from Lsu. That I mentioned before Justin Jefferson thirty two to one. Look terrific cans. He can play in the slot if he needs to. Minnesota had that trade with the bills. So there's no more Stefan digs The Atom Phelan was the second best after after digs had the most catches for wide receiver for the Vikings last year. I know he's hurt but only had thirty total catches last year Jefferson put up crazy numbers at lsu twenty four hundred yards twenty four touchdowns in the last two seasons with borough throw him the ball and we know in that and the national semi final Game Versus Oklahoma. He went for two twenty nine and four touchdowns in the first half so at six feet. Three with no more stefan digs with the Vikings Kirk. Cousins has a guy to go to Other than feeling who's who knows about how healthy he is. The Guy can do it all and he can do it immediately and step right in and be possibly leading receiver for the Vikings at thirty two to one. That's great value. Yeah I'M NOT GONNA kill you because it's thirty two to one but it is so hard for a first of all that's a good offense anyway for him. The shine there is going to be. It's going to be difficult but it's so hard for wide receiver to win this award. Anyway you're looking at the last. Six seven eight nine ten ten years. It was only Beckham Beckham in was the only wide out that did it. He had twelve touchdowns thirteen hundred yards. So that's sort of what you have to do. And he had Old New York backing him the media he was a flamboyant player. It all helped for back himself. Thirty two one. Lsu Guys Lsu. That's true I don't see. I don't see a receiver though Paulie kid what you say. So I like Taylor with the called. Set nine to one for offensive rookie of the year. I I know some people a little bit worried about. Maybe him sharing the backfield with Mac but they didn't take him in the second round for no reason they're going to use him. He is a great fit behind. Potentially maybe the best offensive line in football runs a four three nine at two hundred and twenty six pounds. Look if if this draft he was available in this draft say twenty years ago. He's a top ten pickets the value of the running back now just not that great so he slides but he is a Ultra talented running back. He's going to be playing half his games minimum on a fast turf. This kid's a sprinter whose beg rivers isn't GonNa throw the ball forty times a game. Frank Reich is a very good offensive coach This is just another weapon from. I think Taylor gets between minimum. Fifteen to twenty carries a game He's GonNa end up with about twelve hundred yards Minimum I think and maybe scores between ten to twelve touchdowns and that might be enough to get him. Rookie of the I really do like him. And this scenario sitting here at nine to one. That should be the puts up those numbers. Nine one's not bad for job than tell yes splitting. I'm just looking at all these guys at split time brother. Brian's and it makes me think that well also the fact that they lean towards quarterbacks makes me think that they're going to go quarterback Kyle Amari probably shouldn't have won over your Guy Jacobs Josh Jacobs. Running back for the raiders last year. But they gave it to him and he didn't even have outstanding stats. He had twenty touchdowns twelve interceptions. That's why I think Joe Borrow not a sexy pick plus two fifty probably the way to go right. Yeah I mean I think plus two fifty million. I think those are still pretty good. Odds I think at Bernie at the same point lash was probably very similar at odds of two to one plus two fifty but this year there are definitely a lot more choices for offensive rookie of the year. So if I was looking at a long shot maybe I would look at somebody like acres for the rams. Because if if he's the primary primary ball carrier He some good stats. But like you're saying what the Jacobs thing. If Jacobs didn't win last year for a guy who missed some games and still had great stats. I think a running back or a receiver is going to have to put up twelve hundred or thirteen hundred yards right. And that's GonNa be tough especially for the receivers rookie receivers just in general. Don't don't win this award. That often so like out of the last fifteen years has been to receivers that one. It was Percy Harbin One and Beckham on those were years where the quarterback play was down. so I think again so borough I mean we've never seen a quarterback like him last year in terms of least stats wise and college. I think him coming into the NFL. A little bit older I do expect him to put up. Good numbers right away. I think he could definitely match. Murray's numbers from last year. Probably be even better. I think the bengals will Improved tremendously with next year as the quarterback so I think I plus two fifty. I think it's it's good odds and I think at some point Sam. We're going to be like. Should we put borough on something you know? He's even my right now. Should we parlay with something? So I like those I saw something to Parlay Kid's GonNa love. I think it was borough ofensive chase young defensive and what was the other one mahomes. Mvp I think it was like seventy something crazy steph. Also you really see that I'll send it to you. Pollock it. I'm maybe I'm maybe. I'm having corona dreams or something but I really think I saw that on Fox one thing Fox has it'd be that umbro brother Bry you said. Yeah it'd be about bry. You said he should match or exceed. Kyla Murray's numbers Fox has his over under twenty one and a half touchdowns addict that goes up. I think I think the you know the Joe Borough fever increases as we get closer to the fall. It'd be should have to take it. He should have some goal line. Look I think he's right around there? That's pretty far. Let's go to defensive rookie of the year odds on Fox bed. Chae-jong mentioned the skins plus three. Sixty Isaiah Simmons nine to one is second Patrick Queens. Seventeen to one. Aj Apenisa Eighteen one gym on Kinloch Kinloss Twenty One. This is all screwed up. Kenneth Murray Twenty a Khuda for the Lions twenty two and then we get Derrick Brown twenty two also and Willie Gay junior twenty five. This is an interesting war because it's mostly first round. Mostly I top three or four. Picks like the boasts of brothers. Did they won the award? You had Marshon lattimore dig. It was like a run eleventh or twelfth. Pick right there thirteenth. Maybe he won the award. Darius Leonard kinds of screws it up two years ago it was a second round pick and won this thing as a long shot. Harry I think I agree with you. With Isaiah Simmons rush the passer seventy one times kind of does everything for Arizona. I don't know if this is an Arizona hometown. Pick for you but it's not for me. It plays all over the places. The KINDA got wins at two hundred and eighteen snaps at safety two eighty six at slot corner one hundred sixty outside linebacker you know. He's one of those Swiss army knife players. I think he's got great closing speed. He was inside. Linebacker for one hundred twenty snaps. You like him at nine to one. I also yeah definitely I I wanted him to actually go to the giants At four didn't go slip down to eight where the cardinals grabbed him. Look I I've been on Simmons when we were talking college football last year. How great he was. He had one hundred. Twenty five tackles seven sacks two picks last year the year before. One hundred four tackles at least versatility He had the fastest combine time since two thousand six for technically a linebacker. This past season This past combine I think it'll be. It'll go a long ways to see in terms of voting here for considering the cardinals last year. Gave Up Ninety six receptions sixteen touchdowns and over eleven hundred yards tight ends so he can clog the middle and stop that and and help out my my neighbor cliff Kingsbury Defense It'll it'll do wonders for him in terms of getting voted for defensive player of the year. Plus like you said how he is all over the place all the time. Yeah Alright Isaiah Simmons nine one. That'd be fun. Pollock head shot here by the way the value of Cliff Kingsbury Beautiful House is going down and down right now as we speak. He should invest in some curtains being that Harry's already taking pictures of his trash maybe somebody should alert Kingsbury. Oh really oh no yes. He's like he's looking through his trash taking pictures of it. Sorry should alert. The didn't get that you didn't get that out and said he did. What are you looking for launch? Harry what are you doing That's unbelievable Lilac Sea cliff remember Bronx Tale Parlay where? They said. They wouldn't let coffee cake. You couldn't watch as the kid roll. The dice would hire that face looking at this house. Throw him in the bathroom and look. I'm just waiting. I'm just waiting to have one of those crazy Pool parties he. Has You know maybe I got the invite. Oh Yeah I'm sure you'll get the sure Right back to my picks defensive rookie of the year here so I I'm GonNa really talk about two guys. I think they've both great value and basically play the same position so queen on the ravens at seventeen to one and Kenneth Murray on the chargers at twenty two one off to high character high energy players. I can consider them the plug and play guys right going to start immediately for both their teams. They're going to be high volume tacklers. They could both lead their teams and tackles And we kinda how Leonard wanted a two years ago I think these two at this value Especially Queen Plan already playing on a good defense where he could immediately become like a standout on that defense and Conway Derwin. James came in for the chargers. A couple of years ago made a name for himself. I think Kenneth Murray at twenty one great kid is going to be a great player there for the chargers. I think they're both could lead their team and tackles and when that happens at those odds I kinda liked them as the defensive rookie of the year and I do like I do like young but I do think man I think i. I don't like I don't think any of these tackles are going to want to get beat by a rookie this year so I could see him. Maybe not getting the sack said he needs to get to win that award but he has a special player to Dago. All right yeah. A lot of people like queen there. I did a little hit while unlocking him with a with Clay Travis and todd firm and they both like Queen pollock it. Maybe Mallory will let you borrow her jersey then all turns out seventeen. Why not do it brother Brian? You're also going long shot. And it's a defensive tackle who wears a single number Jersey which I love. Yeah I like. I love Derrick Brown at twenty two to one You know I do like the linebackers to like Darren was saying what those guys because if you look historically a few again a few stats just over the last fifteen years seven of the defensive rookie. There's been linebackers. Three Three D and Three d tackles two quarterbacks and Sao one thing you said to about all these high picks thirteen of the fifteen were first round picks and the other two were the thirty third in the thirty six pick in the draft so most of these guys are just going to be one of the top guys but when you look at Brown I thought he was probably the most. Nfl ready. Along with Young Simmons coming into the draft. He probably would have been a top. Three top five normally fell seven. Not that that's a big drop. But he's a guy who's GonNa have an immediate impact with the panthers While his sack numbers at Auburn were that high. I mean the only had maybe five sacks a year Probably in the proposal pro facing a ton of double teams in the pros. You probably should have you know he could easily get even rookie year potentially get eight or nine sacks But I just he's one of those guys is going to be starting right out of the gate for them is explosive. He's going to be in a division with Drew brees and Tom Brady so he's GonNa get a lot of a lot of airtime so I think at twenty two one I I just love those odds remind. I'm actually shocked that they're that high for somebody at his caliber. Because I do think he's you know the top three defensive player regardless. Let's face it guys and I hate it because I hear. Sec Talk all the time on. Lock it in but these guys sorta seemed to have an edge right all the all these guys. We talked about Queen. Isaiah Simmons Brown ago Clemson Clemson Sec. But but I just feel like they adjust to the speed better at scheming and everything else That you'd be able to see in the NFL. By Harry just sent me. The pictures of Kingsbury is garbage. This is unbelievable. This is now Harry. Let's let me just you know one of the pictures. You have his address on their. Don't don't be a Dick. Don't post that you should not post in that. I- disinfect you. Well listen you. I know you need to be told Jim you know he would post that in a heartbeat right of course and retweeted and that again. Yeah quote we tweet it and then asked me to tweet it to a pool party at cliff. Kingsbury is once July fourth in. La rented like some crazy mansion. I ended up. This is maybe four ago. Four or five years ago they always. They're GONNA ask you. How did you get the invite My girlfriend at the time. Her friend was dating one of his friends Yeah wow it was crazy and Harry. You're probably not going to get invited to one justly. Yeah Oh Man. Ask for the loudness. Imagine being invited to any pool party any party for that matter when we could leave our houses. That'd be Nice Harry's got it all figured out who is taking matters into his own hands. All right first player drafted next year. The odds are being garbage. Trevor Lawrence the obvious favorite minus two eighty six Justin feels quarterback Ohio State. Plus Three ten pennzoil the Oregon offensive tackle. He is third plus four fifty their King. Sixteen to one Houston quarterback as fourth and then we have Mike Parsons Twenty. Five to one from Penn State V. What Travis at the end? How're you loved him for For heisman he's thirty one to jump back this year to be the number one pick. Tamar chase the lsu wide receiver seven thirty three to one. Then we go into the weeds here a little bit quarterback for Georgia. Jamie Newman. Thirty five to one greg. Russo DEFENSIVE END FOR MIAMI. Thirty five to one goes on and on. Alex Leatherwood Tackle Alabama thirty five to one. Let's start with you Parlay Kid Trevor Lawrence the favourite. I duNNo. He might have been the favourite this year. I mean it's a cornerback. Thing right now. The last three have been quarterbacks Baker. Dialer borrow five of the last six nine of. Twelve fifteen in the last twenty. Why wouldn't you take a quarterback? You're right yeah I think Lawrence had come out this year. He might have. You might have had talk of Him. Going over borough so. I I'm not sure I don't really love these odds for Lawrence but I. I don't think you could find a true early. Mock draft here that doesn't have Lawrence going number one right it. Had I understand that a lot of it will depend on the team that has the number one pick and what their needs are? But I think unlike this year where you didn't see any trades early. I think next year there are several quarterbacks available Lawrence being the the prize there that teams will look to trade for that number one. Pick to take Lawrence. I think you could book that right now so. I don't think anybody but Lawrence. Barring injury will be the first pick in this draft. I'm actually seeing something. Come across Fox bet right now that has you could take Lawrence as the number one. Pick and heisman trophy winner for plus six fifty really wow yen while though we know fields is gonNA put up phenomenal numbers for Hieaux. Thanks so that heisman. That's that's the thing but that did come across a very interesting on Fox bat other bribe. What do you think the odds were probably didn't even have it on the board? Joe Borrow for first pick this time last right well over over one hundred right right. That's the thing right. Even for Heisman is odds. Were full Jesus out of this world. So yeah he. He wouldn't have been up there so. I mean and you would have assumed coming into this year to would've been what too would have been minus two hundred to be the first quarterback right so I guess you'd have to be hesitant with that but yeah for sure What do you like what do you like? Yeah so I mean that's the thing right. I think even last year you know. They've been putting out odds for Lawrence. I mean for the last like at least year For Twenty twenty one and. I think it's always been about minus two hundred People have been touting him as the first pick for the last like three since he's been in highschool although I kind of the field fields odds kinda like as well but I'm GONNA say Panel Sewell So I again Lawrence. I mean I just think the odds minus minus three hundred basically. I think it's at this point. I'm way too early to delay that kind of money for but there is a good chance. That team with the first pick is already going to have recently drafted a quarterback And obviously teams can will WANNA trade up for a guy like Lawrence next year but We saw how it worked out this year with no trades. Either at the top so but still is kind of a once in a generation. Type Offensive Lineman Haven't heard that comparisons really but he probably is the best one since like Orlando Pace. I would think he's just a gigantic human being. He's like six six three fifty but he's lean when you watch him super powerful. I mean the kids only nineteen still so I remember his freshman year at Oregon. He was when he was playing. He was seventeen years old and he was already like the Best Lineman in college. Football so I just think you know odds wise you know maybe I two teams in the draft. Maybe already have a quarterback so At if that's the case I kinda like it. A plus for fifty. That's Jeff Schwartz. Favorite right there scours the PAC ten organ Grad anyway. Six six three like you said between three thirty and three fifty not bad. I'm still looking for the quarterback though Harry and I know I'm not going to get them from you but who was may take any. Lsu Miles Brennan would find a guy like that. Maybe somebody could surprise. Read a Jamie Newman George. I think I took like from last year for Heisman. I pick and all that stuff. I just got the wrong ones. But if you could find that quarterback anyway Harry's can help us with that even though I'm surprising and take Sam Etlinger in the spot ninety two one who's your first PAC is nice. But yes I do believe IT I. It's definitely going to be probably be a quarterback but still a wide receiver here. Devante Smith Forty five to one at from Alabama LNU quarterback if he can put up numbers that he put up this past year listen. He had had more receiving yards and Jalen Waddell. He had more receiving yards in Henry. Rugs and way more and more than Jerry Judy. He had the most receiving yards at Alabama in a season since Amari Cooper in two thousand fourteen. The at twelve hundred yards. He averaged one hundred yards a game. Judy averaged eighty and he had thirteen touchdowns last year too. So if he can put up similar numbers with a new quarterback note no to around. You know why not listen. Plus it's Alabama Guy now now. I think you're wasting ever. You're just wasting everyone's money now. I mean you're GonNa go you more receiving yards than the guy that got picked first overall and Jerry Judy as well in terms of wide receivers in the NFL draft a couple of days ago. I don't even know their quarterback between like three guys Allen share. You're giving up seventy six touchdowns in two years from probably should have been like ninety or a hundred if he stayed healthy. So this guy's going to stand out keyshawn Johnson addict wide receiver taken. I twenty five years ago. How many years ago was that? I don't know that's that's crazy Harry. I think you're wasting money apologized. Everyone wasting more fake money. Harry just put that when you walk by Cliff Kingsbury Trash today just that back right. There wasn't there today. Era pulled it back already. Went by so all right. They go all right. I'm looking for a quarterback. I I might just go semi allender. Why not? I don't know I'm like Oh nine I might take. I'm surprised I'm surprised. Harry didn't go with Brock purdy or somebody like that. Where are you on one thousand one for my boy? God I mean. I don't Paula Kid. The best receiver in the draft was taken at number seventeen this year. And Harry thinks is going to be number one next year. Yeah that's yeah from Oklahoma. I don't know yet. That's ridiculous. All right That brings us to our sponsor of segment. Captain Morgan's make-believe Riverboat Casino. Each week the degenerate try effect and I set sail tackling pretend propositions related to sports pop culture events. Hey the last dance. Everyone the no matter what they're doing during the week no one's busy but they park Sunday nine eastern on. Espn that watching this last dance. Two hours of this documentaries Michael Documentary. It's been good. It's been real good. I do jump around a lot. I don't think Parley Kid I. Maybe we'll cut them some slack. Because I don't think they thought they'd roll these out two at a time so like when you say like one of whom focuses on Rodman and then in the next one we see the second one. He's not even on the team. I don't know it bothers me a little bit. I'll cut some slack because I don't think they meant to rule these out this way. I did on twitter. Put out a poll. Who has the most punishable face on the last dance? I only put up Jerry Krause at night. Thomas as the options krause wins in a landslide. Sixty three thirty seven. That was seventy five hundred votes. The captain approach music. Throw up to the FELLAS. Let's put odds on this. Who does have the most punishable face? When go with krause at minus three fifty Isaiah Thomas plus one sixty Dennis Rodman seventy-two or the field at five to brother? Bryce starters up yeah well when you put this out there. I mean I wasn't even trying to think of anybody else other than Isaiah Thomas You know being a Nick. Fan along suffering Knick Fan. I have even though it's obviously James Dolan fault. I blamed Isaiah Thomas even even to this day for where the Knicks are at this point but just seeing him in the last dance. I mean the excuses. He's making for not shaking it. There's just he always has that smirk on his face that you just want to punch right off of them So so to me. It's easy especially again being next up. Why is it though? Magic has a nice smile that lights up the room. You'd think Isaiah has a nice smile kind of you know anything you would ask for an a smile. But they're so different in terms of how we view right as it just this history behind it. I don't know Paulie Kid. Who Do you like? I have to agree with brother bribes or as much as I wanted to take maybe the field and take like will purdue from the Bulls when he hardly ever shows up in it but when I see him in the background I had something about him. Too But Isaiah's an easy one here for us a Knick fans Fifty six and one away as a coach Then they moved them to the front office where he proceeded to a cost. The Knicks Eleven. Point seven million dollars in a sexual harassment lawsuit Something smug about him Obviously Jordan has a disdain for him and might have to do with a few years ago at IU UNC basketball game. Isaiah held up a A big fat one of those big posters of Jordan's face of him crying Just stuff like that. He does which he obviously gets under the skin of Jordan and That's just says something about him to me even more than I already thought so. I definitely a guy you'd like to maybe take a take a swing at all right. They're not GonNa get any other answer from a Knicks Fan. That's for sure Harry who you saying here while you know as definitely is a weasel always played like the good guy but he really wasn't Some cheap shots to from him. But I'm GONNA take the favorite here of Krause I mean. It's just so smug so arrogant. And just the way. He his demeanor the way he comes off. I'm usually I won't. I'll go off the board here but I'm just GonNa go across that big notes just pop right in the face great to smack me. I mean let you didn't WanNa let Jordan do his thing and distal. It'd be krause easily. While the guy's dead Ari it'd be great to smack him now. I'M GONNA I'M GONNA SPLIT. My vote here. I I know this is not allowed but I want to punch krause in the stomach because I think that'd be funny to see him over but But yeah is Ahah gets one right on the NOGGIN. Not Knock that smile off his face just too much too much history there and I'm not buying into any of it Jim Cunningham. What are you safe? I can see krause going down like King Hippo and Mike Tyson punchout or something but I hate Isaiah to as an fan but I was going to go off the board. I think That little kid who got Michael Jordan's autograph and held up Traffic L. Yeah I'm Marie like jumped out. It was like maybe the first episode. He looked like the yodeling Walmart Kid. I'd take that kid right. There was also the French guy autographs making them up as for the autograph until You Doing. Punch him in the face to our JIM. Connie m thanks for that Jim. Where could people see you on twitter at Jim Cunningham? And the is are ones. Did I stop you there? Jim Did you change it or something. I felt like yeah okay. I forgot for a minute. All Right Jim might be considering a chains twitter handle so you use that one us at one while you can Brother Bry what about you. Yeah Matt Brother Brian Like I told you last week Now that the draft is over a mmediately depressed While but at least in two weeks right we're going to have some UFC covenant so That'd be fun. Hopefully that doesn't get cancelled again but Yeah we should have a nice. I would think if anything of any sports going to survive right now. It's you say and we should have a nice little run of that so look forward to that. Then that's eleven days away right. So NASA podcast posture. It's a good one two good good good. I Pol Kit at the chalk. Talker Sal and I also think next week is our three year anniversary. This podcast yeah. That's nice all right. Well maybe Harry could send us something nice from cliff. Kingsbury garbage to celebrate. What about you Harry? I hope you get arrested from one of these things. This'll be really good. I'm at AO. Harry also check out my articles on odd shark dot com and again brother bribes. A thank you and and our kid for being on the best bet corner dot com last night We had a good time talking about the draft and now what we did on Thursday. Brian had Zuma Zuma going on. We'd like twelve people on a good time so yeah everybody will be safe and thanks. Harry WanNa do it from cliff. Kingsbury driveway. The next your next podcast radio show doing till you get thrown out. That'd be good inside. His garbage can right. Yeah just pop out. It was full. It was like it was like ridiculously. Little Guy Sounds definitely going for someone full garbage in this day areas worried about diet and everything. I don't know exactly. He's got seven hundred extra toilet paper and water and he's talking about someone's full garbage craziness. He's concerned about him yet. He's going through his garbage. You've turned into your brother. You realize that lesson. I'll I'll just take a picture out of ticket. Pitcher myself next to the trash can next tomorrow aright. Hey don't go anywhere. We have Andrew Brandt on big sports insider sports business insider Packard longtime vice president. He's GonNa talk to us about the draft just hanging there novel. Corona virus pandemic escalates in the US. Public health officials are encouraging those who are experiencing signs or symptoms of cove in nineteen such as coughing or fever to seek medical gyns remotely if you or a loved one or feeling sick or just feeling worried. There is a way to get help without leaving. 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The business of sports and a new column on sports illustrated DOT COM detailing. Green Bay's draft choices. Andrew Brandt thanks for coming on against all odds buddy. Sallow is a pleasure to be with you after the NFL. Push through free agency in the draft. And now we'll see what's next on the sports calendar. Wasn't that Nice. I was thinking about it for you. We must have mixed emotions because it's weird for you to not be involved after being in a war room so many years and then to see a very strange scale down but I think successful variation of this. What did you think overall of the of the draft? Yeah I had a weird feeling. It was a kind of feeling of envy and feeling. I haven't had watching the war rooms of the past years since I left the packers and really N. became to down to family. You know imagine doing that. The ten years I was sitting in that war room with all these guys no chance of bringing our kids around and tolerant over or maybe get a snack here or there and you see your wife but yeah I mean I had a feeling of envy watching all these kids come in the room and it was relaxed and there wasn't that tension and yeah it was a different feeling. Watch those because draft is and may never be again. That's an interesting to see if it happens. It just sort of this tension and it's the biggest moment of the off season and you're going out the team and know the feeling. I got this weekend. Maybe you to like. We're just draft football players. You know we're not domino world peace. Let's relax have some fun. It's funny because a bring your kids to work day. I believe was last week and you said in in general you would probably think I'll bring my kids to work any day except draft day and then we saw it was not only possible but it was it was a positive. I think the jets. Gm like they well. My son's birthday was today and we drop got him quarterback. It was nice stories throughout some terrible stories throughout two but some nice ones too when I heard some from a couple executives in the league that you know shining shining moments the league not only to sort of do the draft on and bring awareness and bring money to the covert efforts but also to so show everyone and and more. They're setting rather than this kind of cold setting of a war room and I felt it watching it. I think a lot of people did too. And we knew. Sal It was gonNA break record ratings simply because there's no sports everyone star for right but I think that rating even exceeded their expectations. And I think what what I've heard a. Lotta people is that they kinda stayed with through Saturday which they wouldn't usually do because it was so cool. They want to continue to watch it. Through Saturday. Ratings were up As far as like gambling onto draft itself that went up ten times as much as the previous year. Of course we're not having hockey playoffs. Mba Playoffs in baseball. That would would make sense. Let me ask. I don't like giving grades two teams because it seems silly that a lot of these draft picks don't pay off till two three years. I don't know if you agree down the line so I wouldn't give a grade to any teams but what would you say? Which team do you think reached the most and which one got the big steel? Yeah through question. I've been asked so much packard. I haven't really had been at Trapezoidal as a whole well the packers in a second but yeah. I know we will you know and I think we're going to talk about the eagles as well be but I think beyond the controversial pick it hurts. I like what the Eagles did to really add team speed. They were kind of plotting team last year. Even with the Sean of course Sean got hurt. And they sort of made themselves a different kind of team. They've found a couple of potential replacements. For MALCOLM JENKINS THEY'RE BIG LOSS. And then all these receivers that can run now. Let's see if they can catch but they can run so I really like what the Eagles did like with the Ravens. Did the ravens are always kind of doing the same thing? Tough hard hitting you know just just you WANNA go to war with all the cliches kind of players they get and of course the chiefs doing what they always do. Getting more towards for Andy Reid making the most creative options possible you know in SORTA scratch your head. I mean listen. I'll just say this if if any other. Gm So a D. Two guy in the second round and a controversial kicker. We what the hell you know. What the hell and that's what the Patriots did and of course you gotTa give a lot of credit. Check for what he's done but you're like Whoa. I mean it just did a lot of scratch your head and not taken a quarterback if he didn't see one I get it but You know I just think that. I'm not sure. Stood him in. Hoyer are the last quarterbacks on that roster so I don't know what's next. Well how much of you think. It's I don't know who would have had to have been available for checked of taken a quarterback a lot of people thought Abner Brady Gona Tampa Bay and then Gronk a few days before the draft signing with Tampa Bay like. Oh wow well. Coach checks definitely going to have to take a quarterback. Now it's like no no no. I think it's all a challenge. He needs to win with the antibiotic like you said or Hoyer or one of these guys. It's just weird that he he's he's really dug his heels in when it comes to to this. Now the the controversial kicker monitoring all that stuff but but yeah. I don't. I wasn't surprised that he didn't pass on a quarterback either. Yeah I mean I talked and wrote about for for months and I know you and bill of talked about it a lot in terms of Brady and the Patriots. You know I I lived through the divorce of Farve and the packers. I just saw a lot of similarities where it was. There was no wooing by the Patriots. You know we would Brett back during all those retirement rumors for so many years and then at the end I was like yeah. We're not going to them. And if you want to come back okay. But we're not GonNa win them and then of course Brady redid his contract to get out. It just never seemed like there was a match that was going to continue their. And you're right. What's the thinking behind it from the Patriots Maybe it said Hey. It's not a question of Brady being great or not but we can win. We can win without that level of quarterback and of course Ben Bell Shockwave. Legacy would go through the roof right. I liken it to Jerry Jones never hiring a GM because he doesn't WanNa get in a position where you know. Jimmy Johnson got all the credit for draft picks and ever right so same kind of thing if if if Bella check brings in Jameis Winston or something still. A very capable quarterback went round high in the draft years ago a lot of upside again. He doesn't want to share the credit. I think he wants to start from scratch. You mentioned the packers. You do a great job on your estimate dot com article breaking down the difference between when the packers drafted Rogers while they had farve as an agent quarterback and a few days ago when they drafted a Jordan lob with Aaron Rodgers still a few years left on the contract. I don't know how I'm supposed to feel an at first. I was like Oh my God. Wow I can't believe they're doing this. Darren Rogers and then it comes out like since two thousand five since he was drafted. They've never taken a skill position player in the first round to help them now. I don't know that going Denver Broncos way as a way to go either take drafting receivers for drew lock. I don't know if you load up. I know you you build from the inside out. But what are we supposed to do? Should he have gotten that help? And what what summarize what you think what you said in the article about what this means to the packers who. I let pack exactly what I sat through fifteen years ago to the day it was eerie. You know is a real deja Vu moment for me almost like I said. Iri where we sat there in April of two thousand five sal and two things happened that night number one every guy we wanted gone except one you know we wanted your guy's we wanted. Marcus fears cowboys gone. We wanted to markets where cowboys gone. We wanted Derek Johnson. Linebacker Gone Kansas City. So that happened. The second thing that happened of course no one was taken Rogers even teams. That told him if he's there they take them so. We had this confluence of events that came to us and we realize Oh my God. We're looking at one name and that that plays plays the same position as the most durable quarterback in the history of the sport never gets hurt. Ever and my coaches are my right. And they're saying no way no way do not take someone. That's not gonNA help us this year or next year or who knows never and on my left Ted Thompsons like Hey Andrew. What do we always say? Trust the board So I said listen. If we do this Brett's GONNA be upset. Breads agents can be upset. Probably GonNa put it on a good face. But he's coming to a place that's cold and they'll never play. Our FANS WILL BE UPSET. The fans and media. Ob upset and no one will like this. And then I said but I think we should do it because we're going to stand for something you know. Let's stand for our scouting and are scouting. Says that's the guy so we did? We had lambeau field booed everyone tape bread called and then so the different salads that in two thousand twenty it wasn't a question of player falling in our lap like Aaron Rodgers. They made an affirmative steps to go. Get them now. They're hope is there. Hope I understand. They say we've had a franchise quarterback on this roster for almost thirty years and the goal is to make that forty five years and we think this is the guy. The obvious question is when and the wind is really something where I stick my ground before saying. Hey no I on corvettes ever GONNA sit three years like Aaron Rodgers. And here we go. I don't think he'll sit three though. I don't think obviously won't play this year barring injury and I don't think Oh play next year but we're looking at twenty twenty two to me as Kinda transfer date and then what to do with Erin. Yeah that's I think you're right. That's why it's even more damning. The difference between the year and the Rogers Year. Now a you went after the guy where you didn't he just fell on your lap back when you were explaining and be like you said guys would sit three years back then. They could back up. They can learn. It doesn't happen at the. You pointed out with mahomes where he sat for one year and then it was off to the races with him. So Aaron Rodgers has to be feeling some extra pressure. He didn't he didn't necessarily want right. Yeah I've said you know and I've even told people in Green Bay this like you've gotta manage this and I we don't know exactly what ahrends reaction is. But you've got to manage this and it was tough man. I mean three years I was hearing from Brett's camp all the time you know. Hey Andrew No. It's like to come into work every day. Replacement and then. I was hearing from errands camp. Like when he's GonNa play. When will he ever play? And you just have to say you have to be professional in tactful with both sides and say yeah. Just hold on hold on some become clear at some point so I would think they're going through that again like the kids not now but the cat some point the kids are GonNa say hey. Can I play you know? Yeah and Aaron. Aaron God for years left and Aaron Aaron. And he's the top of the game and massive contract implication so all that on the table now and the way he pointed out to like packers fans are spoiled. Like they've had two quarterbacks in the last thirty years. Okay if you're going to keep that going and that's a nice thing by the way at any browns fan see how coming that is. What would that not have to worry about? Who Your quarterback is but if you're winning ten games every year you're not gonna be able to grab one of the top three right there normally right. It just doesn't pay off so if you had to reach for love. I don't know that he's the answer is a seventeen interceptions. Last year is completion. Percentage went down but that is the way to do. You have to kind of have to go after somebody eventually. Even if it's a couple of years early what about eight Dylan Aaron Jones Kinda Day? Dhows another little bit of a head. Scratcher right. Yeah also is well you sort of figure out? Well wait a minute. You know. Aaron led the League and touchdowns it may be a slight on and maybe a slight on Jamal Williams as kind of the one to go onto punch guy. Maybe this guy becomes the one two punch that Jamal. We'll see. I don't think Aaron Jones is GonNa really get too much affected by this and then you go to receiver and I've been hearing it as you have the packers take a receiver right and all those years. They've never taken a one receive. Although when I was there we took Javon Walker way back in the day. But you know they've taken Jordy and down. I mean Randall COBB and Devante all these second round picks not like their first but they've outplayed a lot of first rounders. I think I'd take a little. I'd take a little probably Personally that we I heard it from Brad all those years to not surrounding with this wall world talent at the skill positions. You Know Brett was like why. Not Randy MOSS WANNA TERRELL OWENS. And you know that's something you just. The packers are not going to be one of those teams. They're just not gonNA be one of those quick fix teams that some teams are. Yeah but I am especially hurtful probably for Aaron Rodgers that the Vikings going get it received one of the better receivers right there. Lsu Jefferson and you know the bears the bears now go into the season with twelve tight ends swamp from Notre Dame so everyone else in the division is building around them. But Yeah it's definitely going to be interesting to say you have a million great draft stories. You told one on twitter if you don't mind repeating I don't want to Give the punchline but two hundred dollars is involved. Yeah it's interesting because What I tell you. What's different about the virtual draft. It didn't really matter as much as people thought it might with things like drafting but once you got the after the draft on Saturday. I thought that was going to be a problem. Because you need those people in the room around you. They're recruiting coaches recruiting players. You've got agent on the point. A player on the deal happened matter of seconds if not minutes so I've always loved stories from that before it gets to the big this story I'll end with is the story of when someone just please you. I guess because that two thousand three draft someone just yells. Hey Anyone Wanna sign this kid. Tony Romo He he's from Wisconsin. And we're like no no we don't want round. We've got some other quarterback who knows anyway. That's my my favorite story. No I'm embarrassed. I don't even know. Remember the name of this kid. He lasted about two weeks but sometimes they don't have they don't have agents so I was dealing directly with this kid and and I said to him. Listen okay. We're GONNA do the deal and great and I said and the bonus it'll be a thousand dollars and you hear him kind of pause and then he's like Mr Brandt I only have two hundred right now but the rest when I get there I leave of. I paused a minute and I said to him known. I said wait a minute. No no no no no we pay you say you. And he goes really. I'm like yes. Yes yes no you just come here will sign the contract. You get the money really think that. Oh right yeah. Got A lot of a lot of love on twitter. Do you remember what he scored on the Wunderlich Test? Because I think that would be telling. I don't deport kid. You know. And he was. He was out of his element when he got there and again. I don't even remember his name. But what is this story by? The way might come to that where players have to pay to play very sad. Tell me Andrew. How do they fix this mess? As you're a betting man. Who are they going sixteen games? Are they going thirteen games? Starting October what are you hearing? How do we get football back? Whether it's only the luckiest league I know. That's relative word. They can watch weight. Nba Nhl Baseball. It can see what the tracing does. The testing does. See how it goes with fans without Fan Marshall Fans see about the biosphere concept? Whatever it's going to be. They're the luckiest 'cause they got time. So you know assuming we're Outta the woods on this thing I guess my best guess is twelve or fourteen game season starting with layered fans moving up to less layered fans but I do think we'll yeah. I do think they're they're full speed ahead and I do think this will happen at some form all right well. That would be great. The only thing I've heard I've heard a lot of models thrown our way. But what happens if you have a Rudy Gobert situation? Yeah you just treat it like the flu and like all right. Listen he's going to and he's going to get you know. Aaron Rodgers is going to quarantine for fourteen days and then he's GonNa come back or or does everyone freak out and closed down. Do you think you think the owners and the League have a handle on that aspect of it. I guess I would say no at this point but I think they will and again watching and learning from others. You know in my day so we had something called. It's still there. Of course Mersa. Yeah right and I remember. We did exactly that. We Cross team the player I don't know if it was fourteen days I was more like five or six days We had a couple of cases of that and if you remember there was a lot of guidelines from the NFL and we had Duke University people come in and do the micro cleaning and everything else so they certainly have the resources you know. There's no shortage of money. So if they can do all the cleaning and testing You know I just. I'm confident in their ability to get it done if other league show show a little bit of a way to do it all right. You know what I'm confident in your confidence I really am. Podcasts is the business of sports. He's got a new com up on sports illustrated DOT COM GOING OVER. Packers the disaster. Maybe it turns out to be a good thing Andrew Brandt. Thanks for coming on against all odds about blood. You tell all right all right. That'll do it for another episode of against all odds cousin sal lock it in segments me and the crew airing on the herd on F s one all week watched Jimmy. Kimmel live eleven thirty five tonight in every weeknight on. Abc that's after the Jenner trifecta hill producer. Jim Cunningham an Andrew Brandt I'm saying so long and happy handicapping.

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