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Taiwan Plans $11 Billion Boost in Defence Spending
"Government has announced. It is to spend more on defense a lot more almost nine billion dollars. In fact with it it will buy more cruise missiles and worships. It's an effort to fend off what it claims a now. Almost daily threats from beijing. Isabel hilton is is he of china dialogue and a regular voice here monte. Good morning to you is about good morning so very roughly about these threats isabel well. The threat is constant. And and always there. I guess the question is you know is the threat and the threat is real. China has stated repeatedly. And and there's no reason to doubt that it wishes to as it would say recovered taiwan the renegade province. But the question is when and how and and that remains of course ambiguous
"isabel hilton" Discussed on Monocle 24: The Monocle Daily
"How much is the communist ideology. Going to be relevant one for people in china. This big birthday for china does come at a time when international criticism has grown over human rights abusive policies and hong kong and she. John is worried about but to do things. Really careful to ensure that this doesn't turn into political instability at home again. The overarching goal here is to make sure that the party can stay in place and empower and so there's a big push to make sure that younger generations love the party everywhere. You see everybody you go. In china you see these banners at say loved the followed the party long live the party the way classes for instance curriculums are instituted in china. All follow that scene so from a very young age. People are being indoctrinated in this kind of thinking this ideology and the long term impact then is to ensure that the sort of patriotism and nationalism goes on for quite a while we have people now in their twenties and thirties really grown up in a time where china has only seen or they've only experienced a strong powerful china a time when the economy has risen very quickly. Now it's become the world's second largest and that's very very different experience from what they had seen the generation above from their parents who had gone through different kinds of hardship a lot of political instability. And so for these younger this younger cohort a lot of them. You c. joining the communist party. They see it as a way for greater professional opportunity for instance. And that's something that xi jinping has made clear and made more of a viable option was isabel hilton and severe young on part four of our series looking at the centenary of the chinese communist party tune in tomorrow for the final installment..
Firmly in Control, China's Communist Party Marks Centenary
"It is one hundred years today since the chinese communist party. The ep came into being. It was created as a result of ironically western influences from the likes of marxist intellectuals so what does today's ccp sand for and how does it influence. Play out in modern day china. Well it's tell us more. I'm joined by the ceo of china dialogue isabel hilton and sophia. Yan telegraphs correspondent in beijing to regular voices on monocle. Twenty four welcome back. Good morning tea both. Good morning isabel. If i could begin with you just explain to us how the communist party came about. Well the the first meeting of the communist party the one. We're celebrating although mao. Actually when he was asked couldn't quite remember the date so this date is slightly arbitrary It it was twelve people Twelve chinese delegates one soviet and one common tern representative who met in the french concession in shanghai for a few days until the shanghai till the french secret police took an interest. They then reconvened on a boat on a nearby lake and that technically was the founding meeting the ideas themselves had been swirling around pretty much since the fall of the qing dynasty which was not the ching dynasty that the the last imperial dynasty china Phalle as a result of quite another revolution which which the communists had nothing to do with But the the swirl of ideas. Since i guess about eighteen sixty in china about how china needed to reform amongst the many threads that were that was Was marxism along with ideas about democracy science. All kinds of different discussions were going on in china and this one Emerge with soviet assistance into the communist party.
Could We See a New Cold War With China
"It is perhaps difficult to altogether. Suppress an amount of derisive mirth. When the people's republic of china inveighs against the unfairness of a world subject to the whims of omnipotent higgins president xi jinping earlier made a series of statements to this effect also making some pointed remarks about the united states using its mighty commercial power to advance its political interests as such treachery obviously has never even occurred to beijing. G speech wasn't obvious enough. Challenge to the newish administration of president joe biden but what are biden's options for response joined with more on this by isabel hilton. Ceo of china dialogue is a bill. How reassured should we be at this point. The china does not it turns out which to become any kind of global amman. Heavens did really terrible source. china Which is to mark the end of the us reign as the global head. Jamin but isn't quite ready to step up so if you look at cheese speech what he what he made fairly clear was that because of geography china was an important regional power and that was a bit of a shot across the bows of japan and perhaps the philippines who've been making unfriendly noises and japan and the united states said had already just this week Agreed that they would work to counter some of china's behavior in the region but the idea that china is ready to take on the kind of global leadership in the way. The united states is exercised. It is is a little premature. I think so it. This is an exercise in containment. Cise in trying to discredit us. Leadership and to discredit the sort of values norms of a global order which china repeatedly claims were set up by just a few powers and china wasn't one of them at the time
China Sends 25 Warplanes Into Taiwan's Air Defense Zone, Taipei Says
"Is very far from unheard of for chinese military aircraft to buzzed the skies around the time on yesterday. However the people's liberation army air force stepped such provocations up a notch. Twenty-five chinese jets a record number into taiwan's air defense identification zone. This hefty squadron included eighteen of china's chengdu j ten fighters and four nuclear capable h six k bombers taiwan's air force scrambled their own planes to shoot the intruders off. But it seems reasonable to suppose that they will be back on. Joined with more on this by isabel hilton. Ceo at china dialogue isabelle twenty. Five aircraft is a fairly significant gesture by china. But this kind of stunt in itself isn't unusual is. How often do they do this. Well particularly this year. They'd been doing it a quite lot. They've been doing it. You know several times a week in recent times and its its military chest beating over fairly unpleasant kind I don't think it means that an invasion is imminent but it certainly it. It has a lot of advantages from the chinese perspective. It keeps the population on edge. It forces the china. The taiwanese air force to respond in some way they got so tired of scrambling a late last year that they decided that they would just monitor from the ground but again you know if you step the pressure up again then then scrambling has to happen. So it it. It's a long campaign of attrition and it's also testing the biden administration so there's a lot of probing testing and chest-beating beating happening at the moment.
China Is Only Major Economy to Report 2020 Growth
"For reasons requiring no reiteration at has been a lousy year for the global economy one country however is claiming results which are not merely not dreadful but an improvement on last year ironically and arguably even unfairly it is china from whence the covid nineteen pandemic originated. China claims that its economy grew by a solid two point three percent overall in two thousand and twenty early backsliding counteracted by positively robust. Six point five percent in the last quarter and a thriving seven point three percent in manufacturing one joined with more on this isabel hilton. Ceo of china dialogue is about first of all the perennial question where the communist party's economic. Figures are concerned. Harold seriously are we able to take them salt you know. There have been many scandals in china's economic reporting because if you set targets and you make people's careers dependent on meeting them. They will meet them. They will find ways of meeting them in a way. This announcement is is just a larger version of this. What we're actually looking at is not economic growth but gdp growth. And that's not really the same thing shouldn't necessarily confuse. Gdp with economy lots of things make for gdp growth including earthquakes but then not signs of healthy economy to it is worth drilling down a little into what china was hoping to do with its economy and seeing where this has come from
Trump's intelligence chief warns China is the greatest threat to US since WWII
"Outgoing us administration of president. Donald trump has thus far extended few of the traditional courtesies to the incoming administration of president elect joe biden. There has been no two of the white house no sporting photo op in the rose. Garden and little of the handover briefings from one group of officials to the next however director of national intelligence. John ratcliffe whether trying to help or hinder has passed along. His top worth to the next president in a wall street journal op-ed he has warned. President elect biden that china poses the greatest threat to america today and to worldwide democracy since world war two on joined with more on this point. Isabel hilton ceo at china dialogue. Isabel is the director of national intelligence entirely wrong here. We never entirely wrong but they do manage to you. Make a really terrible case turn radcliffe. I would remind you is director of national intelligence by skin of his teeth. When he was first nominated there was such a sort of howl of protest is lack of qualifications and the fact that he had falsified his own resume that that that trump at one point had to withdraw nomination before trying again. So you know as a kind of bond with the distinguished record nuanced analysis. I would you know maybe take it with a pinch of salt. That said clearly that the you know that china is a major challenge to democratic values of the united states. is meant to defend this. After a couple of problems with this framing one. It is clearly designed to To constrain at the incoming administration that is trying to take very different approach to foreign policy and the outgoing administration is trying to narrow the ground so saying that china is the greatest threat to freedom. Well you know okay It is true that china has indulged in ip theft. Absolutely true surprise just as the united states by the way did against the uk in the twentieth century. is it that may be ongoing espionage. Certainly and china certainly has nationalist ambitions. It certainly trying to bend the global rules to serve its own interest that is what big powers do including the united states. So the problem is is not the diagnosis. If you like. It's the reverend is that the trump administration has offered over the last four years which have simply made it easier for china to advance. Its case so the i think dangers here. One is the exaggeration of china's powers. And that's something we saw with the soviet union towards the end of the cold war. That if you have security agencies whose prosperity depends on building a threat they will big up a threat and so right to the moment when the soviet union collapsed we were hearing from. Us intelligence and security agencies that the world was about to be overwhelmed by soviet communism. And there's a bit of the same syndrome going on here but the second problem is the complete ineptitude of the trump administration encountering the chinese efforts to do that you have to build alliances not destroy them. And you have to make sure that your own offer has credibility. Most people prefer living a well-functioning democracy with personal freedoms trump has not been the best advert for that. At least for the trump's the united states is not the finest moment for democracy. And so you know yes. Of course there is a challenge here to challenge values challenge a political system but the way to country is with the integrity of our own political systems including that of the united states red cliff talks of china operating an influence campaign inside the united states. And on the one hand. That's a somewhat fatuous statement because everybody operates influence campaign inside the united states and indeed in pretty much every other country but is there anything especially sinister or dangerous about what china is doing. Ratcliffe also talks of them targeting members of congress. Well again no surprise. China has has done this an onion eternal lays it all out if you look at anything to do with the united front work department. Which is that bit of the party which has always existed which is intended to manage relations with non party elements. It used to be largely working within china building relationships or or not with religious authorities or with business. People are not in the communist party. Now that china's going global so has the united front work department and it has teamed up with a with the entity in the party that used to manage overseas chinese affairs so and it has put an enormous amount of money into this since the beijing olympics which was regarded as a pr disaster for china in so many ways Would've been the results. Well according to the pew survey in the last month china's reputation has never been lower so yes. China is putting great efforts into influence building and so far. They've been a terrible flop now. There is an element of this which is elite capture. Which again was going pretty. Well i think certainly in the uk for example in an example of elite capture would be the approach of the cameron government to china which you know proclamations of the golden decade. And so on. That's her you know very much again. If you look at elite attitude to china largely because of china's overreach there has been a big backlash everywhere from australia to the united states to europe. You hear the same message. so yes. they're making an effort but is it working. No it's not just one final thought and it's it's a concern that ratcliff doesn't raise for obvious reasons but is there any kind of danger of between now and january twentieth china just thinking there's nobody watching the shop if we're ever going to try and pull something big when never gonna get another chance like this. Well of course the big worry. I mean you might say. Hong kong was that the big warriors taiwan. And there's been a lot of jostling as you know in taiwan. I guess another option is the is the india china border again. We've seen quite a lot of live action there this year. My personal views. That taiwan is a step too far think china has a really a realistic understanding of what it would take not only to take taiwan but then to make that occupation work. And this you know. There are plenty of warnings about how difficult that is. And is this the moment to risk so much in pursuit of that. Of course the regime wants to recapture taiwa are how reunite or however they care to phrase it. But i think we've pretty much got twenty forty nine before that becomes acute in their many other Things that many other things that can be done to make taiwan life difficult short of a military assault isabel hilton front. You
Friday 18 September
"Now, as we just heard, China's navy is acting live fire drills near the Taiwan Strait. There's little doubt about the intended audience because in the slender credit, where'd you file of us? President Donald Trump remains his phone call shortly after his election to President Chang of Taiwan the first time the US president or indeed president-elect had spoken to the Taiwanese counterpart since nine hundred, seventy, nine, president trump clearly understands that there is no more reliable way of winding. Up China then embracing Taiwan, which may be why he has now dispatched the highest ranking American envoy in decades kaethe crutch on the secretary of State for Economic Growth Energy and the environment, a rank which seems calibrated to annoy China even more by making any overt rage on their part appears somewhat silly one joined with more on this by Isabel Hilton CEO of China. Dialogue is a bill first of all the the visit of chief crash and I've allowed time for everybody to furiously Google is just trolling on America's part. And Up to a point you you left often you know one elements in the winding up of list, which is that he's there to attend the memorial service for former president of Taiwan, Li dung-wei who has counted as the most hated Taiwanese in Beijing because leading Guay was the man who really lead Taiwan to democracy and was also an advocate of Taiwan as kind of independent cultural and political entity from China. So he's really not very you know he's definitely not on the Christmas, Card List for sheeting pin and to pay tribute to him is pretty certainly would be read in Beijing as a as a a further effort crime. So what degree of C- Will Beijing be at over this visit? Well I think we're seeing it now. I mean a great deal of of rather dangerous firepower is buzzing around at the moment An. We've seen really since June kind of escalating provocation from China, in sort of entering various kind of buffer zones which are pretty much being respected for decades you know around Taiwan that you can you can threatened and rattler cage but on the whole, it's been recognized that if you if you cross certain. Lines then you are risking at least an accident so. I mean the the the problem was that you know. In. The last well, just today actually eighteen Chinese bomas an and find the jets and Taiwan's advance buffer zone and that caused the cost Taiwan to scramble its jet. You had a lot of very you know serious. Flying around and I think that. Is and that along with the naval exercises and and a great deal of rhetoric is probably as far as it will go. But you know we have seen a prolonged campaign for the last three or four years of diplomatic isolation of kind of steady pressure on Taiwan from China, and certainly this doesn't help. You correctly observed that the US envoy is there to attend the memorial service for a former Taiwanese president. He will also be meeting with the current Taiwanese president is likely that anything of actual substance is being discussed between the president of one country and the Under Secretary of state for you know whatever from the other one or is this again? Largely. Theatrical. I wouldn't count on it being largely theatrical If you know we, we've wh as you know, we have a kind of dealing confrontation between the US and China and some alarming voices in Washington. Are, advocating, for example, the United States should supply nuclear weapons to Taiwan, which would be pretty crazy move in my view. But. There is a commitment from the United States to supply to Taiwan such a defensive Capability as is required now, it would be quite easy to argue that in a situation of enhanced tension greater a military supplies, more more military supplies. Packs more advanced military supplies were required and I would expect that to be part of the conversation I would also expect at least saying went to be exploring the idea of more formal cooperation between Taiwan and the United States last US official. To visit, which was relatively recently that produced an agreement on of collaboration on health I think timing when would very much like to see a free trade agreement with the United States. So again, I think this quite a lot to discuss an I would be surprised if this visit took place without some of them being on the table is anything really likely to shift in the near future though in any direction where this is concerned is everybody involved not basically biting their tongues and one hopes. Metaphorically as well as literally holding their fire until election day in the United States and certainly hope so you know the the US position on Taiwan, which is a it's a treaty obligation to to make sure that Taiwan can defend itself. This doesn't actually commit the United States to coming to the defense of Taiwan, but there is a kind of strategic ambiguity in in this treaty, which is designed to stop Taiwan declaring independence and therefore provoking China to stop China assuming that were it to. Stage a military salt. The. United. States would stand by and and not come to the defense of Taiwan. So the ambiguity in the US position is designed to keep both sides. Calm. Under a trump administration of calm is not a highly valued factor in Washington's calculations but I think. That the hope would be in Washington that enough kind of chest bearing and beating. We'll just keep everybody from doing anything too rash said, he don't think that China would relish an armed conflict, but on the other hand if the United States and Taiwan scenes to provocative in Beijing, in order to satisfy, it's increasingly nationalist domestic opinion and a PLA that seems fairly rested at the moment they might feel obliged to do something and as soon as you do something in a situation like this, then your provoking something very, very dangerous indeed
At a Crossroads? China-India Nuclear Relations After the Border Clash
"We start the program tracking one of the most potentially SA- serious spot points globally the ongoing hostilities between the nuclear-armed countries, India and China earlier this week they discharged weapons that each other for the first time in forty five years as a four month standoff between their armed forces escalated into warning shots in the western Himalayas. The skirmishes worryingly reminiscent of the circumstances surrounding the beginning of a war between the two in one, thousand, nine, hundred, sixty, two. Yesterday. The foreign ministers of the two countries met in Russia in a bid to defuse the military standoff Jonah Slater New Delhi Bureau chief for The Washington Post and Isabel Hilton China dialogue join me on the line now. Thanks both for for joining us is about what was behind this most recent exchange of shots. That rather depends who you believe I mean one. Of the meeting that has taken place in Moscow, which has been some extent. Calming is that neither side will acknowledge any wrongdoing and indeed continue to blame the other. There is a very in general terms there isn't defined line of actual, control? The seem to be signs that the past three or four months across quite a a a length of it. So not just in one sector, China has been a pushing the actual you know situation on the ground by crossing the line of Control China, accuse his India doing the same thing in this most recent incidents and says that it had to fire shots in the ad to deter what was Indian aggression India has said over the repeated incidents over the past few months that China has advanced and then has not on a promises to retreat. So we now have quite an extended standoff which began in the in the West and sector. But has now extended to the eastern sector to what in your Natural Pradesh which to southern. Tibet. So it's a sustained standoff still during the what more do we know about the outcome of the meeting between the two men yesterday Well we know that they met for two and a half hours a lengthy meeting their first in person meetings since the crisis began Jason Curve India's foreign minister is a is a former ambassador to China. He has deep experience there. But in terms of outcomes, what we basically have is an agreement to continue talking it's not nothing but it's definitely not a breakthrough I mean Isabel do you think there's any real appetite for compromise and given China's current aggressive stance globally will one be trying to dial it down I think that I don't see very much appetite for compromise on either side we all you have is highly nationals governments which both. Set great store on territorial integrity and and then of course, you come to the sensitive point where the territories real defined and then you have a you know constant potential for confrontation. But if you add to that I mean what one thing that is very different from in in this border confrontation with other areas of conflict China like the South China Sea for example, where were you have because it's accessible and and territory marine territory that's used by lots of different kinds of people in people from from different countries, you can enact a conflict at a lower level if you like using fishing boats or or customs boats, and you don't actually have to use your main forces. But this is highly inaccessible territory. The only people who are out there really are our armed forces and they have increased. Both sides have increased the presence of their forces really dramatically in the last few months, and in the last few years, they have increased access to the border by building infrastructure building roads and railway building roads rather So you have the potential to mobilize both heavy weaponry and larger numbers of troops When you have a moment like this, do strategically, I would say that China is trying to discourage India from. Joining in a mall full blooded way any anti-chinese coalition organized by the United States so the has been quite a warm relationship between Modiin trump as we know, and and the question is how far India will take this because that could be a Catholic. And during this meeting, come about because the to happened to be in Moscow anyway or is Russia playing the piece Burqa. Well. Both of them would have been at this meeting, but it does seem that Russia is playing a little bit of a role of convener here as a country that. Ostensibly would like to see tensions reduce. It has constructive relationships with both countries there have been reports in the Indian media suggesting that I'm sorry that Russia was doing some quiet diplomacy behind the scenes earlier in this crisis but I think the these these two men obviously would have been there anyway just comes at a very. Sensitive, sensitive, and important time. It's about what's in it for? Would I guess it's less less difficulty in the neighborhood they do as we've heard have rush the Russians do have constructive relations Russia likes to be seen as a broker these days I mean the whole trajectory of Putin's kind of outward posture has been to assert Russia's important so to be able to mediate between a traditional friend India and. country. Rival with whom relations little complicate it China would greatly enhanced prestige. One of the difficulties is that what we know from the reorganization, for example, the Chinese military which is put sheeting. Very firmly, inconspicuously in command, we need to assume I think that decision is made about deployment of troops and our posture go very much to the top So you know without a signal from the tall, the foreign ministers of my decide couldn't actually resolve this. Yeah. How do you think this fits in with the the general foreign policy aims of India. I don't think expected crisis with China I. think that was not part of its. Foreign Policy Goals as Isabelle was speaking about no, India is. Wary of China's rise, it has been drawing closer to the United States and also to this grouping called the Quad, which includes the United States Japan and Australia this one of the interesting aspects about this crisis with China along the line of actual control is that India says at least that it's at a loss to understand why China is doing this it repeated that again today that. Shot, the tiny side has not provided a credible explanation for this deployment. Jay Shankar, the foreign minister a few days ago said repeated that India's is a little bit flummoxed here, and so if China is sending a message that it doesn't want India to draw closer to the United States, India's not really getting the message quite clearly So I think that's one of the strange parts about this entire episode, which is we don't India claims at least not really understand what China's motivations are for this. Quite significant deployment along the line of actual control which began in April and then Burst into actual skirmishes, skirmishes in May, and then the deadliest violence between the two countries and more than fifty years in June. I mean Isabel attorneys right WH- one can't really see what's in it for China I. Mean as you say, this is an area where there's really not very much. It's inaccessible the only people there are the soldiers. What's the point? I think the point is is partly to shore up she gene pins reputation at home is a vigorous defender of China's global position and Chinese sovereignty, and you might well argue that that sovereignty over a few miles of inaccessible mountain compass matter but they matter symbolically domestically in China. It also might be I mean, we've seen a passion of a very assertive behavior. Put it no more strongly from China pretty much since the coronavirus outbreak and a lot of you know if you look across the piece it what's been going on there had been provocations in around Taiwan with you with Chinese. Military flights crossing into Taiwanese airspace very recently and and we have you know I, think for the first time that I can recall in. Since the sixties we have on this board, we have confrontations in both the important western sector and the equally important eastern sector. Now, that's that's kind of unusual that does signal a much more firm intent to send a message even if it's not a message that India understand. So it may be a message that's being directed to the Chinese public that you know we can do this because we are bigger and stronger than India and we will continue to defend. China's position in the world.
China's Xi vows unceasing fight against Tibet separatism
"China's president has called for what's described as an impregnable fortress to stop separatism in Tibet Xi Jinping, speech, set out the country's policy direction intended to protect national unity, maintain stability, and educate the masses. Well, Isabel Hilton is the editor of China dialogue and has written extensively about Beijing's relationship with Tibet. Hello? Isabelle. Doing. Very. Well, thank you. Tell us what is this impregnable fortress. Well this is come out of the Communist Party Central Symposium on Tibet work, which is the you know the high level. It's the meeting that gathers together everyone who has anything to do with Tabet from security to economics to environment, and of course, the polit bureau is in attendance at the last one was five years ago. So it is quite important to understand the direction that things taking and I have to say it's not a particularly encouraging direction the the emphasis on a border security was not extensively publicized in China but I think that that is undoubtedly related to the continuing tensions with India, and we've seen a number of clashes along that border. But the other. Really important aspect of this statement is is really about hearts and minds, which has been a massive failure in terms of of Chinese occupation of Tibet and the the stress on patriotic education on the fact that monasteries must you know put put the party first and so on. All isses familiar but it's becoming more intense in terms of of of you know government propaganda and just simply failed over the years. So how does it intend to impose or bill this impregnable fortress to maintain not just stability but? Engage in those hearts and minds which which they find so important and what I think probably I'm sorry to say more repression it's. There is a relationship between what happens in Tibetan what happens in Xinjiang, which has lately had some more attention and but the body secretary who? Had A kinda panel up to consecutie system in Tibet then moved to Xinjiang to continue his work. So the security approach is very much the same and it is extremely tight security on on an absolute day to day level. So you know police boxes every few hundred yards kind of panopticon effect on on watching society for any kind of behavior that might be considered deviant. So that's one aspect of it and and the other oil done in the name of national security. and. Then the other aspect is the intense education and signification of Tibet. So it's been some years now since two Beden as a medium of instructions in schools was damaged and and you know there's heavy language pressure heavy cultural pressure on on Tibetans who are encouraged not to have a photographs of the delay in their homes but to her photographs of Xi. Jinping, instead to the the, it's really an an example of enhanced integration. Hitherto has been a policy in the People's Republic at least in name over SPEC for national minorities as they would call them. So Cultural Rights, language rights, and the idea that they could be in some sense autonomous and self governing. Now, that was never entirely implemented but at least it was official policy and that is now being abandoned really in favor of kind of. Han Chinese dominance in every aspect including culture and language, and how is that likely to be received in Tibet? Well. The evidence is that the more pressure the culture comes under in a way, the more people attached to it. So you know the most famous case was in nineteen eighty when when the reports from to bed to the center. Essentially said everyone's forgotten by the Dalai. Lama. They loved the Communist Party. It's all going swimmingly and it emboldened the central government to allow or to think about a visit from the delara sue the Dalai Lama sent. A representative. Group to inspect Tibet to see what conditions would like and as soon as rumors of these people's presence spread across to bet you thousands and thousands of people went to pay homage and his push notes into the hands and to weep and to go for the Dalai Lama. So you know the Chinese never been very good at reading. Tibetan sentiment and every time they criticized the Dalai Lama officially it sort of gives comfort to the Tibetans that. The Dalai Lama still matters and he still bad. So it's it's you know it's not a particularly helpful policy and the more that they cracked down on Tibet. The more Tibetan people feel more. They feel the difference and in a moment ago, you mentioned the fact that Tibet is stuck as well in terms of the relationship, the the very techy relationship that's being played out between India at the moment two degrees either side twenty used to bet. Well I think that this. That that's always I. Guess a problem you know the wasn't a border between India and China until the Chinese occupation of Tibet. So so now we have to Asian supervise and this border which is constantly disputed, which is unresolved and across which flow or manner of things including of course, people you know the flow of refugees to India from Tibet. has been a feature of the years the very large settlements of Tibetan refugees in India, which has given them pretty generous hospitality, the presence of the Dalai Lama in India. Then on the Indian side, you know there is anxiety about water supply because wall of. India's pretty much all of India's water supply comes from the Tibet Plateau, and there is constant fear in Indian security services that that the Chinese can somehow turn the top of which is unlikely but nevertheless it makes them deeply anxious. So there are any number of issues that that would need to be resolved in NFL comprehensive settlement. But at the moment you have to highly nationalistic governments each which is you postures vigorously over Tibet and I think that a settlement is not terribly likely Isabel. Indeed as ever for joining us on monocle twenty four, that was China dialogues is.
Hong Kong marks handover anniversary under shadow of security law
"Could Beijing finally getting it away and silencing Hong Kong's democracy protests once and for all the Chinese President Xi Jinping has signed off strict security laws, which critics say will place the likes of the right of free speech and an independent judiciary at risk. The law has already had an effect one of the leading voices in the pro democracy. Movement Joshua Wong said he's left. One protest group what I'm joined by Monocle Asia editor and Hong Kong Bureau Chief James Chambers by Isabel Hilton. The editor of China Dialogue Welcome both backed Monaco for twenty four at James, let's begin with you. You are in Hong. Kong whether has been A marking of the twenty three years since British rule ended. What's the atmosphere like today? Yes, what was meant to be called establishment day a day of celebration for Hong Kong returned back to mainland, but for a lot of people here it's a solemn day to protest against. Beijing and usually there's a big march that takes place around three PM Hong Kong time in about an hour and leave from Victoria in Causeway Bay and on March to the government headquarters that hasn't been given permission to go ahead to see the police because of the COVID, nineteen restrictions but there are people starting to gather in Causeway Bay. and the police have already made their first arrest under this new national security bill. On the question, we're all asking waiting to see how this bill would be enforced. And I guess the the worrying onset is. Enforced very harshly. The first arrest was a guy who's who had a flag that just said Hong Kong independence on it. So there's no doubt that the police are going to use their full powers under under this bill to dampen down any goals. For Hong Kong independence, and it's going to have a massive impact on the ability of of activists and pro democracy protests in Hong Kong. To to to operate as they have done. For the last twenty three years. Where unlikely to see a big march this year like we did in years before because the police on hand, the right police are on the ground and are very quick to to arrest people. Isabel. It's not long since we were all given the details of what's in this bill. Could you just summarize it for us? Please well indeed. I think almost nobody outside the National People's. Congress was given the details until after the bill was rushed through a rigorous fifteen minute session. it criminalizes any act of secessions, version, terrorism, or collusion with foreign are external forces. The problem with all of those is who decides Schwarzenegger as secessions, version, terrorism, glues, and and exchange, said the question of how the law will be enacted. Is ABS will be? We'll be applied is absolutely critical including which judges. How will the? How will the legal authorities in Hong Kong React Carrie, Lam has the opportunity to appoint judges that she chooses. And the bill, also the acts now also contains a rather sinister provision. Which says that in got his described as complicated cases at Beijing can simply takeover the prosecution of the law now again. All of this is is. Subject to subjective judgment from Beijing, Beijing designs what collusion with Foreign or external forces Beijing decides. What subversion is and Beijing, can prosecute cases? There is no guarantee that they will be held in. Public is provision for them not to be and. Given the state of of the rule of law in China. I think this is really really serious concern. It's also we should remember the. Legal State in Hong. Kong has been robust and widely respected and indeed lawyers have frequently taken to the streets to defend their. That profession and the application of the law in Hong Kong in very large demonstrations when they felt that Beijing. was encroaching on it, and so the capacity to appoint different judges to these cases is signed that I didn't think Beijing trusts Hong Kong's lawyers who are after school didn't principles of rule of law and equality before the law and all those good things. To do it's will.
Coronavirus: Trump says China wants him to lose re-election
"The US President Donald Trump has said. He believes join us. Handling of corona virus proves it wants to make him lose his reelection bid in. November trump has been blaming China for the global pandemic since. The outbreak began to unpack all this. I'm joined by Isabel. Hilton the editor of China. Dialogue unto Bike Load Harrington who senior lecturer in American politics to Demonstrate University. Welcome both back to monocle. Twenty four glow. If I may start with you what is it? Trump is doing is trying to find someone to blame for his poor polling numbers and also for the difficult economic situation the. Us is facing. Now yes I think that would be a lot to do with it. M A as as I've been watching all of this unfold. I DID WONDER EM. You know how he would try to frame the blame. I suppose you could say because obviously the the party would be to deflect any blame away from himself and I I did think they were a number of options you know he could have gone for perhaps blaming the previous administration. That's always convenient 'em but that's a bit too historic. No so no and he could have blamed the the Democrats example or any of the Democrats would again that sort of puts attention onto opponents which you might not want to do and so the the the kind most substantial source of flame I suppose in perhaps the most obvious from his perspective would be to blame the Chinese and obviously U. S. China relationship was already A complex and and strange shall we say and but it's obviously gone to new heights. No but trump is you know looking towards Novembre realizing that you know this now is going to be the defining issue of his presidency or via four year. Or perhaps more and I'm he needs to start fighting back so he has now. I guess I have to ask this question from you. Do you think there is any credibility whatsoever to Donald? Trump's latest claim that he seen evidence corona virus actually originated in Chinese laboratory. Well all I can say is you know. I really moments of of of dangerous stress for for for the world like this. We can only listen to experts and scientists and you know people who who sort of this kind of thing for a living so I would be slow to take the president's words on board based on that and now code ninety nine deeds initially give Donald trump and approval bump but things have changed quite a lot sooner seventeen they have and you know. I suppose a very convenient response to that might be. You can say well I don't believe the polls which is a you know something that he came out with the other day now. Obviously you know. He's had his sorts of 'EM AUNTIE EM mainstream media platform since day one and his supporters at really embraced that I think it's part of his appeal that you know he's He's other he is outside that Sort of Knowing the news bubble if he kind of makes his own news and so so choosing to not believe the polls is very convenient. I do have to say though. I mean when you look at his daily pulled raising generally speaking. They're pretty consistent you know. He's in the low forty s all the time. This current crisis hasn't really moved out in in any meaningful way and I think you know He. He lost a little bit of support way back early on in his presidency near the start but ever since then his supporters have remained. I would say unconditionally loyal and I think things would have to change quite a lot between now and November. And maybe they will you know economically if nothing else am before his his his loyal and support base will step away from him and then obviously his opponents sort of has his own em issues and shortcomings so trump would probably be very very keen to get back on the campaign trail as soon as possible. Because that's where he really shines those rallies are wearing these people come in you know when they have a very sort of a A positive connection I suppose he's being deprived the moment
China expels American journalists from publications
"But I in a move which may have grim repercussions for the global health. Emergency China has expelled a number of American journalists from three major publications. This is the combination of the media. Row which has been brewing for some time. Isabel Hilton Editor China. Dialogue brings us up to speed. On the circumstances leading up to the current action is about. How did this begin a world? Good morning while the background is that under Xi Jinping in life has gotten steadily more difficult. It's an authoritarian regime and and indeed the Foreign Correspondents Club in Beijing Issue Report on on conditions in two thousand nine thousand nine hundred which which detailed how how very difficult to work but this particular row actually is triggered by a headline in the Wall Street Journal in February when an opinion column was published under the headline China the sick man of Asia which could use an absolute if furious response in Beijing and Beijing them promptly expelled three journalists from the Wall Street Journal Beijing Bureau. Those sweet journalist had nothing to do with the opinion piece or the headline. But it was signed. If you like of Beijing's fury and Beijing's desire not to be blamed for this global crisis. What then happened was that the United States responded and that's an unusual thing to a previous administrations have dealt with this kind of situation by taking the moral high ground if you like and saying well. United States believes in press freedom and we deplore China's actions of but the moral high ground isn't really familiar territory to the trump administration. And so they've gone for more reciprocal approach and restricted the numbers of journalists who could be employed in the United States by four state-owned media. So that would use the numbers from about one hundred fifty to around a hundred They will have to leave in the next few days and this final news of of closing down essentially the bureau of the US major newspapers expelling thirty journalists at once that is the latest move reciprocal moves by China. So here. We are now going dark in each in each other's countries. I'm sorry to use this word. That's so overused at the moment but this is an unprecedented move by China. It's a very serious move. It is a very serious move and I think that it's also a sign Really that China both feels confident enough that it is that he'd has the global story under control. I mean if you look at the other thing that's been going on in the last in last week to ten days. China has been making absolutely furious efforts to present itself to the world as the savior so sending medical teams to Italy and Spain. Coming across as the benign actor rather than the origin of over global pandemic where is of course in the United States trump calling this the China vice virus has has has inflamed the situation further China? I think in the past and under a previous party administration would have just written out the American The American engines because obviously there are bigger things at stake. Here this is. This is the next thing down from breaking off diplomatic relations. You know the United States even under the trump administration which routinely insults the press but the United States has traditionally taken the freedom of of its journalists to operate another country as a as a very important index of the health of of diplomatic relations. Because it's kind of built into the US Constitution that freedom of the press matters now as I say even under the trump administration this is not something that the US can take likely
World Health Organization holds press conference on coronavirus outbreak
"World Health Organization has been meeting to coordinate international responses containing and combating the novell corona virus outbreak scientists. From all over. The world attended the Congress in Geneva this week but will there. There is consensus on the fact that science must lead the fight back. Diplomacy may yet get in the way. China analyst Isabel Hilton Who's editor of China. Dialogue joins me now to look at the detail of the story. Thanks for coming in Isabel. This row concerns Taiwan the island that the Chinese Communist Party seizes part of one China under Beijing's authority but officials in Taipei claims self-ruled democracy. And that of course is the heart of the problem it is and you know and the other part of the background. Is it for several years now. China has been building position in the United Nations and all its agencies and steadily chipping away at those Relatively typically small but symbolic countries that recognize Taiwan as an independent country sir. Taiwan got booted off the Security Council missile when when Back in the seventies when China entered this global diplomatic sphere now when it comes to the W. H. O.. This of course really really matters. Because you're dealing with a with an epidemic which affects Taiwan and the same thing happened with saws Taiwan when ruled by the Gorman in dengue which was originally a mainland party and loser in the Chinese civil war until nineteen forty nine when it went Taiwan occupied Taiwan one. When Gorman Dong is in Barron Taiwan then China relaxes its position in terms of Taiwan's participation in these bodies because the Gorman Don Also regards Taiwan as an integral part of China students the DP which is the Taiwanese part he gets elected. Beijing becomes much on hostile and starts starts to exclude Taiwan from this kind of participation. So in this epidemic for example the W. T. the WHO has classified assefy. Taiwan is part of China. Which means that it was subject to all the travel bans that China was subject to despite the fact that it had you know just to score of cases cases where China has thirty thousand currently And so it. It began to suffer from the same kind of exclusions without having access to the scientific typic- and medical exchanges that it would have needed. It does need In order to control infection. So it's a very very a bitter angry exchanges over this. Now there are internal ructions within China to the Chinese doctor who was silenced by police. Trying to share news about the virus long before the Chinese health authorities disclosed. It's full threat. died yesterday. Many including China's judicial title authorities have wondered whether the epidemic could have unfolded differently. Had He not been silenced that critical juncture ahead of the lunar year holiday. How rare is is it for the judiciary to rebuke? The police. Always seeing now major internal ructions. Well what you're seeing. Is everybody looking for someone else to blame. Because this man became I'm a hero quite rightly he was early on the case he was humiliated in called into the police. May disci- offer confessions saying let you know none of it's true. He then continues his his work gets infected alive social media feed then set up outside the hospital because he'd become known by by then hundreds of millions of people were following his condition as he got ill he was. He continued to give interviews from isolation so he became a complete eight national hero. The symbolic you know upright official. Who Speaks Truth to power and evil power suppresses now that is the narrative that's taken hold and that is very dangerous for China just to go back to the W. H. O. The? Who's pronouncements of Kitty. Kind of been coerced by China because W. H. O.. Director General WHO's an Ethiopian. The country heavily dependent on on on China. has has given extraordinary praise to the Chinese authorities for the speed be do their response in the scale of their response. He's pretty much alone in that judgment because it's quite clear that for the first four weeks the Wuhan authorities suppressed press the news so that they could carry on with activities being planned which included a massive banquet for forty thousand people in in the middle of you know when they epidemic was well underway and the WHO changed its its statement on human to human transmission. which is a key element element that Chinese authorities said at the beginning of this? There's no evidence of human to human transition which meet transmission. which meant that? You had to go to that wet market in order to catch. Gotcha this would evidently Andrew that. Who fell into line with the Chinese government on that. This huge party went ahead and the whole thing out of control where wait still is. It's out of control now. The the head of the. Who actually has form on this. I know that in the past. He has supported African dictators. And so on and in fact I'd like like to turn to Africa now because the fifty four countries collectively are home to one point two billion people of whom an estimated one million Chinese nationals. And yet so far when you see the map and it's all lit up about where there is a corona virus in the world. Africa is completely blank. There are no reported cases of it whatsoever with such large Chinese population. There I find it extremely difficult to believe Richie implausible and no reported cases is the key doesn't mean there are no kisses and and you know there. Is this concern that that a China can lock down the country every now for how long but you you know. China is everywhere. And because there's been so much movement because people want prevented from travelling Before the declaration of the emergency it means that almost anywhere where where Chinese have been coming going. You have a risk of of this of this taking hold in countries where there there were. Public Health is is is not up to dealing with a highly transmissible Disease so you you know. Pakistan is another case in point. Where where you have serious concerns very close relationship? Lots of Chinese coming and going and this this could be the next phase uh-huh and I mean we're we're looking at some African countries repatriating citizens others making a big show saying that they won't and that they have complete faith in the Chinese government. So once again you've got this kind of diplomatic failure going on and these countries accosted or not repatriation. Their citizens are the ones that can't afford to well absolutely can't get a plane they know or whatever but once again you're seeing China going global with its own internal approach which is essentially to suppress the news. You know it's it's it's in control of of public all as they would put guiding public opinion as being a key element in in the party's strategy politically to survive five. Of course it. Has You know rather bad effect on. Its its ability to manage the substantive issue which is how many people get sick and die in some areas of the world the virus also seems to be tapping into racist sentiment with Chinese people who may not have visited the country in years. If ever been criticized there was a horrible. The story coming out of Wales yesterday. Some children of Chinese heritage were prevented from going to school. And I think that's now being reversed but but this is a trend. We are seeing we are hosting it and we've seen a lamentable cases in Italy there was a conservatoire that that put up a notice saying it had suspended classes for quote quote Unquote Oriental Students. And these are people who are living in Italy however you should also look China because if you remember it. Five million people have Wuhan the week before the Chinese authorities admitted water crisis. Was this dock. They can't get back to hunt Khan and they are in places in China which treating them. Even worse had been cases where apartments it'd be nailed up to stop people from Hahn going out. They can't they can't find hotel rooms. They are being shunned and ostracized within China and they are completely in limbo because they can't travel econ get back home and they're very very unwelcome. Welcome where they are and very unwell. Some of the some of them may well be unwell but certainly the regarded as going to play Mary's wherever they go. And that's you know And the next phase as if this does it to incubate period so given that people did so many people did leave the area in advance at the little holiday I think that would the next phase in China will be to see a surge in infections in those provinces where people have visited and of course. There's a much wider panic. We're seeing shortages. The face masks globally in Hong Kong. I understand toilet paper now competitive bizarre. What quite why toilet paper that connects to kind previous story about science and not knowing where to buy toilet paper because she was so looked after by seventy seven so I think that may be more to do with politics of of Hong Kong than real showed his but I wonder how the authorities can best manage? What's not only a health crisis but also one then of of misinformation under fear and discrimination it's unfortunately that I think that horses bolted? You know there are there are kind of well. Established practices practises where you have an emergency. Be It a natural disaster or an epidemic and it's very important to establish trust with the public excited the public and have listened to you does what's necessary and it's extremely important. Basically it says you must be a very quick week in in terms of of distributing information and that information must be accurate and you must be responsive China. The party is already. He's at every level. Have broken those rules so trust has gone the public does not believe them. They're being caused as the villains in this Inside China and certainly in Hong Kong and in Taiwan and. I think it's going to be very very difficult for the authorities to to recover from that and what they're doing now is simply going back to repressing the news again. It's not going to work Isabel. Thank you very much indeed. That was Isabel Hilton. Still to come on the program. 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China Promises To Regain Control Of Taiwan
"China has repeated. Its Promise to regain regain control of Taiwan after voters reelected president sighing. When Chinese state media said the president resorted to cheating repression and intimidation to get votes? Were joined in mischievious by Isabel Hilton editor of China Dialogue. Good to have you back in this year is this was a very convincing. Victory for her wasn't it. I could hardly be more convincing. And not they need to cheer chief record. Numbers of votes For any Taiwanese politician She also won a convincing victory in the Congress winning twice as many any seats as serious. Rival Gorman down and what is it that brought this. This huge victory is pretty much. Hong Kong You know the the the example of Hong Kong the the failure of One Country Two Systems in Hong Kong the Kuomintang have traditionally being the Party. Reunification the Kuomintang are the the the The relic of the Chinese civil war which was between the Kuomintang and and the and the Communist Party. They agree that China is one country in Taiwan belongs to it they just disagree about who should run it so the Kuomintang's historic position of being there the rightful ruler of all of Hong Kong. Where saying when is a Taiwanese politician politician and takes different view of history in a different view of democracy in a different view of of Taiwan role in the world? And that is is what particularly the young voters in Taiwan and they came out in record. Numbers Dave look at Hong Kong. They say well. You can't trust China. It breaks its promises what we have is freedom and democracy here and we wish to defend that that's what it is seen as a steady pair of Hanser. She's pretty steady. There were where to other parties that did rather badly One one is one was a a much more radical independence party and that Did very badly. So she's seen as somebody who defends the status quo essentially. She's not going to declare independence because that would be that that would trigger a global crisis But she is going to resist pressure from Beijing to talk about the the future of a close future with with with the People's Republic. So I think you know like a number of international crises. The best solution certainly for the time being is the status quo for Taiwan. He mentioned the idea ever close future with the People's Republic China's reaction promised to regain regain control of Taiwan. That doesn't necessarily time. We've what you've just said I'm but Kennedy genuinely says it we could have react. We could have expected that reaction yes she didn't for Xi Jinping to acknowledge it this is. This has been a very embarrassing victory this gala victory has been very embarrassing Xi Jinping because it it it is rebuked not only to his approach to Taiwan but to Hong Kong and You know unless Beijing finds a way to modify its. It's policy in Hong Kong. This will go on feeding into the Taiwan political situation and and entrenching Taiwanese view of the mainland so so that puts Xi Jinping and rob difficult position of having to acknowledge that he is wrong. Whereas you know Xi Jinping thought invincible in and cannot make mistakes so so I think what we're looking at is what is the? What is the tone scale of the response given that China is not going to reverse its policy? Xi Jinping Champion has declared in the China dream. China's May he's making China great again. The reunification with Taiwan is they would put. It is a key part of that and the it's it's kind of shared for the hundredth anniversary of the founding of the People's Republic which is in two hundred forty nine so there is time on the other hand any any move to kind of slacken off the pressure on Taiwan would be viewed as weakness on the mainland. So I think what we'll see is a certain amount of low level harassment Rasmin so where China has had a number of successes in other in other Fields if you look sad Chinese see for example the kind of sub military pressure of water essentially armed fishing boats taking on for example Taiwanese fishing boats off yet news fishing boats there are fifteen very small countries. It's still recognize Taiwan As as the Republic of China we will see increasing pressure on them to switch to the People's People's Republic We might see some harassment of extensive trade and business relationships which exist between Taiwan and China neurotic Taiwanese unease doing business on the mainland. We've already seen a cocktail moment of tourism to Taiwan from the mainland. So you know there are a number of ways in which which Beijing can express its displeasure short of precipitating further confrontation Anita. How much is this actually high on? Its list given the fact that that China has has an awful lot more than it has to concentrate on the moment. We Got Hong Kong as you've mentioned which played directly into the hands of signing when we also have the US trade trade war we have in. China is busy with stuff can actually afford to put Taiwan on the back burner little. Yes I think it can. I think you're absolutely right. There are immediate crisis and there will go on being meet you crisis. It's you know th the economy's not going very well. There's some troubling signs in the financial sector that we might be in a in for a few bankruptcies and there's very limited trade deal is about to be signed the United States. I don't think China wants to jeopardize You know a kind of calming down of the. US China trade war. So do any move on. Taiwan would obviously do that. And so far we've seen or other muted reaction as you said. They accused diving when of dirty tricks describe. This is an anomaly. There was a wonderful phrase from Shinwari which said You know these temporary versus A. They're just a bubble in the tide of history. And you know she shouldn't count on this being a kind of permanent state of affairs so they're standing back and saying well you know these things happen but we can get over it and our long-term policy history is with this. That's that's interview that said we had trump making positive notes about Taiwan for quite a long time right from the beginning of his presidency. And yes you say that. The number of Countries now fifteen who who actively recognize Taiwan as a state and large companies such as airlines have now diverted their attention to to Beijing. But if you you have this state or this place which is allowed to just take along quietly. Is there a chance as a little bit of soft power will allow Taiwan to actually bring a few more countries back into the fold really curious you should say that because the because prog recently Decided to twin with with the Taipei rather than Beijing which is fanny kind of substantial. Move for the for the Czech Republic And and a bit of a rebuke. I think it was so one. Shouldn't underestimate the quiet soft. The effect of the quiet soft power of Taiwan inside China there are a number of of individual visitors from the mainland. Who made a point of going to Taiwan to observe the elections? Because you know they're curious about the only real substantial elections take place in the Chinese world and that will you know that one shouldn't underestimate the quiet effect of that It it's quite. It's quite the powerful thing Talking of quiet. Donald Trump has been unusually quiet on the subject of the Taiwanese elections but the people around him have been pretty robust in their supportive. Talion when so you know the US representative in in In Taipei met very quickly There have been you know it'd been in using language like no shared values of democracy and freedom the kind of thing honestly that one hadn't heard from trump for quite sometime but you're hearing from his officials officials and there have been hints from the US military that their commitment to the defensive Taiwanese as robust as ever last year saw a large number verve of quite significant arms sales and indications of military cooperation. So there were. There are lots of reasons China to sit fairly quiet Wyatt on this one. I think his Bell Hilton. Thank you very much indeed for joining his monocle. Twenty four
New EU chief takes helm amid rising suspicion of China
"New president of the EU Commission also funded lion will have spent her first night in office last tonight. Having already we think held urgent telephone call with Beijing. The expose last week on the existence of Detention Kemper Muslim leaguers has brought China's track record on human rights right to the top of our funding lines to do list. Let's look at what she in. The Commission can actually do. Let's hear from Isabel Hilton. The editor of China Dialogue. Welcome back the studio Isabel. Doing no of this phone call to take place between Oslo Funder Lion and Beijing yesterday. We don't although she did she has made Much of Saying that it would so I imagine it would also imagine she'd get pretty dusty response from Beijing. What was the intentionally the? The purpose of the phone call was literally. That's really her first day in office yesterday on the Sunday indeed. I think that there is a feeling in Europe That China has been. It's sort of general after say trend against China in the last few months in in a concern in Europe that China has too much power and abusing its power to undermine global norms including on human rights and that Europe needs to take more bust view. So I think that what we're seeing in that commitment over these really appalling abuses That you know that's what we're seeing. A new commission come in with the determination to stand up to China just remind us of what was said what was revealed last week in this expose. On the treatment of weakened Muslim there was a cache of documents. Som Four hundred which went to the New York Times A further batch that went to an international consortium of Investigative Journalism Journalists and although Ah the existence of the camp said being extremely extensively documented for more than two years now the detail of the organization and including many a a personal and telling details which included in. What do you tell a university student going home for the summer? WHO finds that? He's Oh her entire family his disappeared so it was the kind of meticulous rupp very chilling planning State directed absolutely top down To to to lock up one in ten or as far as we know of the weaker population so although the camps were known about. There's something about you know the revelation of the of the of the bones of this policy that that made people deeply deeply uncomfortable and actually highlighted the degree to which China has go away with this so far. Is Anybody greatly surprised. However about these great revelations I think many people suspected that there was a but the fact is as you say as you've been saying continually there is this buildup of evidence against China that it is Going against the beliefs Explo- uh ex- exploiting the global norms. It's sort of surprises. That surprised me that as underline sort of took it upon herself to make a fresh. I should tempted something that everybody sort of knew about anyway. Well it's true that the camps were known about because they say that the detail of the documents Really confronted Particularly Europe actually with them with the inaction although we have in fact through the year Seen a growing effort particularly by Europe to confront China over Xinjiang at the The Council on Human Rights the UN Council Counseling Human Rights Meeting in Geneva There was a letter signed by more than twenty countries calling for China to release the detainees China has put in an enormous effort in the last few years to undermining the principle of universal human rights and particularly at the UN. So for example China has been trying to advance the the premise that notable rights to equal and the right to development and state sovereignty so victory entry trump's individual human rights and that goes directly against the universal principle. It it implies that poor people Don't have rights or or don't don't desire rights which is which is nonsense and that that's completely any it's an important breach and China has managed to mobilize countries search which have An economic dependence on China to support them in Geneva in mounted very well documented campaign trying to shut out civil society actors NGOs who might criticized trying to put in a government sponsored NGOs who would sing the praises raises of China's policies and explicitly saying two countries which Had any kind of economic dependence on China there quite a lot now that if they showed stop and criticized then you know deals would not go well if they showed up and praised then they would benefit so you know. There is no doubt that China has managed to Marshal Marshall a lot of opinion on its side in the has been remarkable silence for example or endorsement for many Muslim countries. They have not criticized at China. I know I on on locking up a million Muslims for being Muslim and that's pretty remarkable So you know. We are confronted with with the situation situation in which if these rights are defended. It's come down to the European Union Australia and Canada and even the United States is not reliable ally in this so I think that for the new commission the European Union. It's a bit of a moment saying do defend the system or not. What does the e you you do? Though in terms of concrete action I mean we've seen a trade war bursts out between the United States and China and neither side into becoming coming out well from it now. The European Union's Heft when it comes to trade is enormous but you can see immediately the any sanctions that you might put on. China will be met with equally tough measures. I think that I doubt that we would see a trade war. Exactly I mean it's true that the European European Union has is an enormously important trading block for China's largest trade partner but European Union. Although doesn't speak because one over trade Except for you know the kind of You wide regulations but individual countries tend to make their own make pursue their own interests with China But the fact that the e U is willing publicly to criticize China the e you could for example push at the UN. I'm for sanctions against individuals. Who are involved with this trade? It could name and shame companies that are dealing That are installing technologies in Xinjiang And in fact it could under the principles of of human rights and business. It could sanction companies over human human rights abuses. So it's not without weapons and and I think you know put China China very much dislikes being called out on human and rights abuses in a moment when it's trying to present itself as the benign actor On the global On the global scene so simply having you who are being vigorous in terms of its criticism changes the atmosphere and gives cover to some other countries which might wish to but don't quite have the courage ridged criticize China. Finally we have the member-state ambassadors who already in Beijing being invited to Xinjiang which is where the majority if we miss them live at the beginning of next year can anything be settled on then. yes Although these visits of course are heavily managed and it wouldn't be the first time time we've had official visits to Xinjiang in which The visitors the official visit confronted with people who sing and dance and say that they're happy to be there so I didn't think anyone. Anyone has enormous illusions about about what you're seeing And I think the you made its point by By giving the Sakharov prize the alarm toady a who is a weaker intellectual as an economist at a university in In Beijing who in twenty fourteen was sent to in jail for life had all his assets confiscated leaving his family destitute in a in a savage sentence against a man who had always been of voice of reason and moderation and who was well known to journalists and indeed to ambassadors and human rights workers So I I think that you know laying down these markers important The visit will you know I. I don't know quite what such visit will achieve except that it's important wouldn't go on insisting on visits but I think that as I say The ambassador isn't Aachen have many illusions that the people that they speak to a free to speak Or they will uncover any great surprises. It will be very very carefully prepared
Hong Kong shuts government offices due to mass protests
"We begin today's broker in Hong Kong, where a number of government offices remained closed following yesterday's mass protests. It was the most violent today. The city state has witnessed in decades, as anger plans to allow exhibition to mainland China spilled out onto the streets of one of the world's most affluent cities, Hong Kong's leader, Carrie Lamma, so far refused to withdraw postponed. The controversial proposals for under Jong, who is a member of the legislative council doled monocle twenty four that it is unclear. Why lamb is rushing to pass the Bill? I don't see any point there's no reason why we have to rush it doesn't benefit any Hong Kong people. It only if another taste, surrendering Hong Kong people to the mainland regime. So as far as I can see only the mainland Jim, the communists would benefit from this Bill. I'm now joined by Isabel Hilton who is the editor of China dialogue, welcome to the program Isabel. So shall we recap a bit? I what brought about this. Controversial Bill in the first place. Well, it depends who you believe any Marcus. I carry lamb says that she had received several letters from murder victim, who is a Hong Kong citizen, murdered by her Hong Kong boyfriend on the island of Taiwan. The suspect then fled back to Hong Kong. He was arrested on another charge, and is shortly to be released from a jail sentence on that charge. Carry lamb story about the, the haste and the urgency, therefore, is that before this man is released from jail and manages again, to escape Justice. They need to rectify a deficiency in the traditional, which means that they can't extradite to Taiwan. I have to say the Taiwan us ROTC absolutely reject this and say they wouldn't you. Use this new facility anyway, because it would mean that Taiwan citizens who were in Hong Kong could be extradited to China, which they regard as a greater evil to carry lamb story doesn't really hold up. But now that she's gone this far of course, Beijing has weighed in on her side. And now everybody is in the kind of we can't back down situation. It clearly serves Beijing's interests. They've, they've kidnapped people from Hong Kong repeatedly in the last five years. You know it's bad for the image. They would quite like to have a semblance of legal process, but Hong Kong has risen as one against this would it benefit. Hong Kong in any sense, and housing, -nificant Lee wooded, erode Hong Kong's, tissue independence. I can't see any benefit for Hong Kong. I mean what what home comb has a has had going for it in the years since the handover is, if you like the legacy of a system. Which which had rule of law, which doesn't exist in China or relatively honest judiciary, which doesn't exist in China and, and reasonably, you know, honest and and, and moderate police force and and. Hong Kong regard, these fundamental. They're also fundamental to Hong Kong's position as a place where people do business. You know, we, we've had alarmed comments from, from the United States in the last twenty four hours Nancy Pelosi points out that eighty five thousand Americans live in Hong Kong, and given, again, the recent track record of China responding to the to the quality extradition case by arresting to Canadians in China charging them with, with espionage, with, you know, huge consequences for these individuals to other Canadians who've been retried on, on on charges that they'd already been sentenced for. And they're sentenced in, you know, up to a death sentence. There has been such clear evidence that China is prepared to use it, it's very, very inadequate to digital system as a political, too. So of course, that means that anyone who lives in Hong Kong. Mm or anyone who passes through Hong Kong still happens to become a victim of a larger dispute between perhaps, you know, his or her government and the Chinese government, is it risk. Now that means that Hong Kong's position, as you know, major international center is also at risk to there's a lot at stake here and the organizers of these protests say that the demonstrations have been the largest in Hong Kong since the territory was handed over to China in nineteen ninety seven. Do you think there is a Jones that these protests?
Hong Kong protests against Chinese extradition bill drew 1 million demonstrators
"Around a million demonstrators took to the streets of Hong Kong on Sunday to protest against a proposed law, which they fear. It's China the power to target opponents of its government the controversial extradition. Bill would allow Hong Kong to send suspected criminals for trial in China. Critics say the Bill has no written guarantees that the trials will be fair, and they believe that China which rules Hong Kong onto the one country. Two systems principle will use the Bill to undermine the territory's semi autonomous status. For more on this story. I'm joined by Isabel Hilton who's editor of China dialogue, and our Hong Kong bureau chief, James chambers. He was at the protest James. I'd like to start with you first because they're all different reports on the size of this protests. So what did you see when you were there and would you say that around a million people, perhaps more or less will take into the streets that time? Happens every time as big protest in Hong Kong, the police come out with their figure, and the organizers of the protests, come out with their own figure, and as always a huge difference between those two so is interesting this time to see what number the police would would come up with, and then perhaps multiplied that to see what the real figure is the police saying about two hundred and fifty to three hundred thousand and us we're in the protests. We've got that figure while we're still marching and so you, you, you could tell if saying it's around three hundred thousand they actual number is going to be huge. And it really did feel like an extra extra special extra huge March because I, I was in it for for four and a half hours. Crawling through the center of Hong Kong. So I wouldn't be surprised if it's at least over seven hundred fifty thousand and there's a chance, it could be indeed a million. But how unprecedented is a protest of the scale in Hong Kong protests, like that, of that size this decade, you know? It'd be even bigger than the famous umbrella movement, or the central moving two thousand fourteen you'd probably have to go back to two thousand three was the beginning of the century when there was a another huge March against a similar of proposed legislation, which got hundreds of thousands of people onto the streets and ultimately saw the, the government back down from the perspective of the governing. Authorities they're probably concerned about the facts that all society are United in their opposition to this Bill, even conservative professions like the legal profession. For example, again lawyers judges coming out. Yes, you go to the government should get worried when they see the lawyers marching because every they don't come out all the time when they do come out profession. It usually means the government should stand up and actually take
"isabel hilton" Discussed on Monocle 24: Midori House
"For many many decades for actually a long time on China speaks highly of him, my guest, PD Goodman, and Isabel Hilton will be discussing Trump's trade war and the day's other top stories, including China's discovery that its investment in Pakistan is not universally welcomes the decision of silicon valley's capital to ban one of silicon valley's innovations and the heroic determination of one Swiss party to make politics. Dull again, that's all coming up on the Dory. House on monocle twenty four right now. And welcome to Madari house. My guests today. Our PD Goodman global economics correspondent with the New York Times and Isabel Hilton CEO of China dialogue. Welcome both. And we will start by considering the latest fusillades launched in the US versus China trade war, which US President Donald Trump promised some while ago would be easy to win. Not the first such vainglorious statement uttered by someone or keeping his office last week. Trump raised a bunch of tariffs on Chinese imports earlier this week as is the way of these things. China raised a bunch of tariffs on American imports. And now inevitably Trump is talking about further raising tariffs on Chinese imports. Peter when is this going to stop these any of this making any sense yet? The it's making a lot of political sense. And it's not clear that it will ever stop so long as Donald Trump is in the White House because there seems to be a tendency to listen to dif-. Camps and switch positions back forth. I mean, the one consistent thing as Trump has veered between trying to satisfy the stock markets. I mean, that's the one sort of metric that he really understands and cares about by whispering. Or sometimes shouting on Twitter that a deal is imminent on the other hand, he likes to listen to the nationalists who seems to have seem to have his ear who have come to view China as as a real adversary. I mean, this is no longer to trade dispute about, you know, working out differences in the commercial realm China in the United States, particularly in the Trump administration is increasingly seen as a strategic fo that has to be contained and moreover, Trump seems to be doing pretty well with his base, even as he hurts his base economically. I mean, these tariffs are hurting people in manufacturing in the United States. They're far more people who buy steel or go to companies that buy steel than there are people go to work companies that make steel..
Does China Have What It Takes To Be a Superpower?
"Join us state run media reports that the country's military is in the process off a major strategic shift. The navy and air force are both being given a boost. But it's a land-based armies being downsized in an attempt to transform the People's Liberation Army. Let's get more on this with the editor of China dialogue Isabel Hilton Isabel, welcome to the program. So first of all, what is the backdrop do this shift? Well, the People's Liberation Army which actually belongs to the party rather than the country and Google out of guerrilla warfare people's wall. So under under Mao and right through to Deng Xiao, Ping. You know, it was very large pretty ineffective. I mean after after the winning the civil war in nineteen forty-nine. It didn't even win a war of to that lost Vietnam, for example in a border skirmish. The most recent wards fought so it was a large expensive, correct? Optic running hotels brothels, all kinds of things the modernization was long overdue, but the modernization also reflects the fact that China went from being a very kind of enclosed country to being a global trading nation and increasing the with our missions to be a global superpower. Now, every global trading nation has long supply lines to defend it, it has fears of interest to build, and that's what China's been doing. So China has identified some years back, you know, the areas in which it would invest in the included cyber warfare included space, and the included crucially a navy and that so we see them acquiring. I an second hand aircraft carrier. Our second one is coming up and quite a large submarine fleet about which we hear rather less. So what what is the goal what what is the Chinese invasion in the end? Well, you know, as I say there are there are supply lines to defend so if you see what's happening in the South China Sea, you know, huge amount of global trade goes through the South China. To see and China has built military installations on on essentially on coral reefs on on what they call islands, but they weren't recognized as Ireland's because they're covered at high tide. So China's been putting military bases. Not only in its near abroad said the South China Sea blows across the Pacific. And if you look at the belt and road project the road part is a maritime project, and that is included heavy investment in all kinds of you know, in Pacific islands, for example, and in port facilities humble tutor in in Sri Lanka allows them to take a very close interest in in the Indian Ocean. You've got one in a Gwadar in Pakistan. You know, you if you see where they're placed you can see that China is is strategically placed now on on several major global supply routes so in the event of a conflict, China's Innova strong position the Pacific islands. You know, if you're going to run, for example in nuclear submarine fleet constantly it see as as the US does and China has said it is Myers to you. You'd need to fair number of friendly port facilities, and these islands are pretty much there for the taking. So if you look at the islands in the western Pacific, which include Guam for many years and US military base and still use military base. The Chinese of very active there, they run a, you know, they have big investments they run a casino. They take students to China for education. You know, you can see that that the US is losing this battle insurance out of neglect largely in China is very much establishing a potential for future
"isabel hilton" Discussed on Monocle 24: The Briefing
"Twelve oh nine here in London. Japan's Prime Minister Shinzo Ave has arrived in Beijing for his first summit with Chinese leaders in seven years Isabel Hilton is the editor of China Donald on today's globalist program Elliott, she told us that the countries have long had a somewhat tubby Lynch relationship to there was a wave of gunning of museums to commemorate Japanese atrocities, there were anti-japanese disturbances riots quite regularly as Japan became the focus of kind of the narrative of historic grievance that China built up and then there were the proximate issues the Senkaku islands and that arose because the islands are disputed between the two and a nationalist ma- of took. You was threatening to make this issue into a national issue in Japan and more of a nationally shooting, Japan, the Japanese government and nationalize the island in that Spock. The current wave of. Coronation that was bell Hilton. Now, let's hit from one Tokyo bureau chief Yona Wilson with hunt. Take on what the countries stand to gain. From better ties, the trade relations, a really important between these two countries, it's about three hundred billion dollars worth of bilateral trade. So it's very important. And it really off the Senkaku dispute really went into the deep freeze didn't help that. Shinzo by went to. Yes, kuni. Shrine in Tokyo vi- controversial shrine in Tokyo with the war dead, including fourteen close say we'll criminals that really upset the Chinese. So I it's been a very rookie road recently. I mean, you know, now, it's all very different Trump has injected this fresh uncertainty into Asia, and there's a lot of recalibration of relations. And I think China has got this situation. Now where suddenly it's up against a role the whole stall US, and it's looking for friends, and as is about saying Japan is traditional phobic. I think now things are looking slightly different. And that you know, they won't to warm up relations that was. Monaco's Fiona Wilson in Japan before that we heard from Isabel Hilton of China dialogue. Let's now have a listen at what else is making news today. Nights, beginning the alliance's largest military exercises since the height of the Cold War the drills which involve around fifty thousand troops from thirty different countries will gain a scenario which mentions an ally under attack the maneuvers off being watched Henley in Moscow. Former Malaysian Prime Minister Naji Brazil, and his top treasury official have been charged with criminal breach of trust the past downed accused of embezzling almost one and a half billion dollars of public money. The challenge is a appalled of a huge crackdown on political corruption in Malaysia and the German e retailer Theresa says it will launch children's west site in January the company owned by the name and Mockus group has been a trailblazer in online retail since its launch in twenty six. It follows you won't she ambulance yoga and becoming the latest luxury player to invest more significantly in style finito ones. Those are the.
"isabel hilton" Discussed on Monocle 24: The Briefing
"Now reports from Taiwan suggests that the self-ruled island will hold a huge independence rally at the weekend. It comes as Beijing as considerable, political, diplomatic, and military pressure on Taipei a little earlier, I spoke to the editor of China dialogue, Isabel Hilton, and began by asking her why the rally is happening. Now, this has not come from the government. This is come because the government has come under pressure. The the government is currently in the hands of the DP which is a Taiwanese and indigenous Taiwanese party, which you know has a long term aim semi autonomous and possibly independence for Taiwan. But it has gone along all these years. Understanding that to call for independence overtly is very dangerous move and might provoke an armed attempt by Beijing to re-claim as Beijing would put it the renegade, province of Taiwan. I think a number of things the destablize, the general kind of Asian geopolitical sphere. One of the. The arrival of President Trump in the in the White House and his acceptance of coal from the DP leader president, which was something which enraged the Chinese because that sort of direct contact is seen as a provocation. But the other thing I would suggest is what's happening in Hong Kong where you have a steady tightening, the screws and if you recall. But for five years ago, there were movements which were almost similar tenures in Hong Kong with the umbrella movement and in Taiwan, which were movements of young people. And these young people had concluded that the policy of their elders which was to go along with Beijing in the hope that over time they could both defend their rights. The negotiator kind of reasonable settlement that one country two systems would work in Hong Kong. The younger movements, no longer believe that they believe that the political controls at tightening and that even in Hong Kong, which has never had an independence movement. There is now a group of people calling for independence not is infected, certainly it, it influences Taiwan because if one country two systems and work for Hong Kong in the ways that Taiwanese could live with, then it was something that could be contemplated for Taiwan that is no longer the case. And finally, Beijing has been has been tightening up on Taiwan. They have been closing down that diplomatic relations of the series of small countries and small island states, which still recognize Taiwan. They take a very hard line on Taiwan's membership of things like the World Health Organization, and they insist on Taiwan participating in.
"isabel hilton" Discussed on Monocle 24: The Globalist
"So for example, you've had US sanctions against Chinese military entities, not because of Taiwan or or trade, but because of Russian sanctions, they were sanctioned by the United States for buying Russian military equipment in return for that, you've had a refusal by China to allow US warship to visit Hong Kong. You've had a downgrading or cancellation of military talks between the Chinese military and the US military and a new. Have you know US military chiefs who are trying to advance those talks because they feel that there has to be a relationship between the US and the Chinese military. But at the same time, you tensions in the South China Sea and the US running freedom of navigation operations in the South China Sea, which trying to complaints about there's a lot going on and. I think the US China trade war simply means that all these smaller moves have a greater resonance and anyone of them could lead to a confrontation Isabel. Thank you very much. Indeed. That's Isabel Hilton. Maybe s has nine hundred investment analysts from over one hundred different countries over nine hundred of the shop is mines and freshest thinkers in the world of finance today. No one knows small. Find out how we can help you contact us at UBS dot com. They reported listen, watch, twist, and cajoled..
"isabel hilton" Discussed on Monocle 24: The Globalist
"China has warned Washington that the United States will be further jeopardizing sign a US relations. If the country goes ahead with the sale of spare parts for miniature aircraft to Taiwan. The deal is thought to be worth up to three hundred and thirty million dollars, and it's already been approved by the State Department. China claims that self ruled Taiwan actually belongs to Beijing. Isabel Hilton is the editor of China dialogue and she joins me in the studio. Now, thanks for coming in Isabel, remind us of the existing relationship between the US and Taiwan. They have a trade agreement and more importantly, a sort of mutual defense treaty they do and they have. They have one of these slightly ambivalent diplomatic relationships whereby when China took over Taiwan seated at the UN after the Nixon visit, and so on, China insisted on a one China policy. That means you can't recognize both Beijing anti pay as China, but there is. A liaison office, very powerfully as office in Taiwan is part of the US defense arrangements in in Asia. So Japan, Taiwan, Australia. This kind of mutual defense pact, and in theory, at least if the if China were to invade Taiwan, the United States would be obliged to come to its defense, which I mean could be a potentially enormous spot put it's an could. I mean, I think everyone is counting on China on China being more sensible than than to try to take Taiwan by force. It would have to be really grave crisis for that to happen. But how the game is played out is that every move on either side is is met with kind of strong counter move. So every time a US official visits, Taiwan China will protest every time. There is something like the these, these arms sales, which are relatively small..
"isabel hilton" Discussed on Monocle 24: Midori House
"Cities are fun let's explore you back with madari house with me entre melissa with me i'll charles heck and isabel hilton let's look now at mexico where voters will choose a new president this weekend and fairly consistent polls to be believed the president they going to choose is veteran lifting on draymond we'll has obrador among the possible consequences of this is the establishment of a second front in the campaign against the north american free trade agreement own after us president donald trump famously dislikes the deal might he be about to find an unlikely ally on the other side of the ball to bowl he still hasn't built charles president presumptive oberdorf we can call him that has said he is in support of nafta however his foreign policy adviser a hectic eskom shells has said that the collapse of nafta wouldn't be the end of the world so it's it's which is probably a literal statement of fact in fans to him but do we get the impression that president obama door if that's what he's going to be a fan or not well first of all short of the end of the world there's a lot of damage that you can do i've never been much reassured by that myself exactly and this may be something that a fairly populist candidate on the left is trying to say to drum up votes because mexico is feeling incredibly hard done by when it comes to this rhetoric and this tone in this bullying that you're getting out of the white house in so anglo is recalling mister lopez door is feeding that and saying i will represent you and if we have to talk tough to washington and that may include leaving nafta i don't think that nafta is going to come undone as a result of the mexican elections even if anglo wins what i'm clinging to for the foreseeable future is this as much as president trump likes to leave agreement the register of the red states that voted for him in the twenty sixteen elections depend the most on trade with canada and mexico and so we talk about damaging his base leaving nafta hit his base the hardest well this is true although he has just cleared all on harley davidson headquartered in wisconsin who's ten electoral college votes he won by a whisker in twenty sixteen he may not be thinking that clearly isabelle would put president auber door if that's who is going to be in a weird position wouldn't be very politically difficult for a new mexican president to start out by agreeing with donald trump about something i personally didn't think he will i mean he's not he he's campaigning in a coalition remember he's a he's a leftwing the nobody quite knows what sort of leftwinger years is the chavis or or a lula you know in this there's quite a lot of distance between those two models and he has a a right wing coalition partner who he doesn't have much strength in congress you know main this you know may not get enough representation in congress even if he as seems extremely likely gets the presidency but i think what he's telling people is you know that he will stand up to this kind of hectoring bullying nastiness and that's absolutely fine by mexicans and this hasn't really been much of an issue in the electoral campaign mainly because there's no difference between the candidates on whether they disliked donald trump so you know there's nothing who's who's gonna stand up and favor of of of of donald trump to the issues that have been foremost in the campaign in it's a very young electric this time around oh you know corruption violence drugs you know who an and prospects and mexico has been been been through a horrible cycle of violence largely drug related but not entirely drug rated and a sense that you know the the state at federal and state level has done very little about it so i think that's what really is is feeding people's passions and it's a plague on both your houses at the moment between the pre and the pan which is how lopez over door has come through the middle but i don't expect him i mean i expected to try and tear up you know the kind of domestic corruption and so on in in mexico i don't really expect him to take on the.
"isabel hilton" Discussed on Monocle 24: The Globalist
"Just there was a very uneasy moment when president trump said one point that the status of taiwan could be part of a larger conversation with china and a lot of red flags went up at that point at the angular dialect the us secretary defense james mattis was actually warning china against disrupting the status quo untie win with people being accused of taking their off the ball slightly when it came to taiwan because if occas was too much on the south china sea in what china's doing that yes and also the fact that the south china season moreover if you like territorial expansion and military confrontation it remains i think unlikely that china would seek to take taiwan back by force and because you know taiwan is rich sophisticated country of twenty six million people with a very powerful defense force of its own and defense arrangement with the united states we we'll see how real that is overtime but at the moment the united states is committed to defending taiwan and countries like the united kingdom have you know although they obviously recognize the people's republic they recognize beijing but they maintain commercial and day facto diplomatic relations and cultural issues with taiwan and a have stipulated that the position of taiwan should not be changed by force to there is still there quite a lot of obstacles to the force recovery of taiwan but the slow strangulation i think is what we're seeing isabel hilton thank you very much for.
"isabel hilton" Discussed on Monocle 24: The Globalist
"Eight thirteen in vienna which is where we had a little while later to ask why people are still insisting on letting up in bars and restaurants seven thirteen here in london and we had now to taiwan why is taiwan losing its allies a month ago the dominican republic severed ties type and teamed up with china instead the same has happened recently with makina facile all took budget more i'm joined in the studio by isabel hilton is the editor of china dialogue very warm welcome back to the studios of expenses what's happening here who's who who's who's dumping taiwan taiwan has been fighting a losing battle really is as china's economic and political clout is risen if you remember after the civil war in in china the kuomintang lost retreated to taiwan and were recognized and held seat at the un until nineteen seventyone since then since being kicked out of the un it you know we've we've seen the rise of china to the world's second largest economy and very small countries this has been fought out in a musique of tiny countries like vanuatu marshall islands and it comes down to money and and just china being far more important these days on the world stage simply about money when we when the when the dominican republic decided that it was going to cut ties in and jump in with china instead authorities said that they would just say well we will increase trade relations after establishing former relation formal relations with china the way that that was phrased was very positive progressive thing if we positively from trade relations we will positively on a bit more cash indeed in one hundred twenty eight million chinese tourists going around the world and hoping that quite a few of them would come to the dominican republic so you get a sense of kind of growing club and and you know where's the balance was the other way in the sixties and seventies and during the.
"isabel hilton" Discussed on Monocle 24: Midori House
"Not buying the drugs wouldn't that help that's not a conversation that's going to go very well in prison circumstances and and the violence is is extremely serious just a quick thought on this one to return to the fact that the next mexican president will have to deal with donald trump once they get past the sort of beating up on trump for electoral purposes what is the best way forward for a mexican president who obviously for whom i think the relationship is going to be more troublesome than pretty much any other will lead is something to be said for just going full vicente fox being of course the fulmer president of mexico who regularly makes much praised in much enjoyed online at pierce's just calling donald trump names i mean i i'm very reluctant to give advice to any politically to have to deal with president as matt cohen has has has demonstrated he's unpredictable that if you come up to donald trump he bites you head off just as much as if you take him on i think makes icho clearly the the the trump does did more or less unite the four candidates and i think that mexican president who dealt with trump who stood up to trump might be doing economic home but would do himself you know politically would be advantageous i think he has to deal with him with kid gloves but he trump is so unpredictable who am i to predict i mean we're not dealing with somebody who's who's totally predictable put is that okay well we will take a short break now you're listening to madari house with me andrew malone with isabel hilton and i've agape coming up next meet italy's new prime minister.
"isabel hilton" Discussed on Monocle 24: The Briefing
"Trying to establish an it isn't really working steve just a final quick thought on the the historical background four all this is there any level at which china now and it seems an absurd question world's biggest country a military and economic superpower so any level at which china or i guess specifically the communist party feels like china is actually under threat well the communist party is at the same time incredibly confidence and under xi jinping that's why we seem the assertiveness now and also feeling very vulnerable anything that potentially could pose a challenge to the domination of the communist party in power in china would be seen a solution so ideas up being seen a solution to promotion of democracy and human rights would be seen us loucif because they will means people challenging the authority of the communist party staying in power in china input chew ity andrew miller was speaking with isabel hilton ceo of china dialogue and steve sang there the director of the china institute at suez university of london from the episode of the foreign desk that premiered on saturday the full episode is up on our website monocle dot com slash radio and we will congratulate the team behind the foreign desk just announce as the gold medal winners in the current affairs category of this year's british podcast awards congratulations to our colleague spill ludi yielding goffin and to andrew muller.
"isabel hilton" Discussed on Monocle 24: The Briefing
"It is twelve minutes day here in london now reports japan's media suggests that north korea's leader kim jong un may have traveled to beijing let's get the latest on this with isabel hilton whose the editor of china dialogue and joins us now good afternoon to you is about good to have you with us as always just tell us if this is indeed what kim jong un is up to how surprised should we be in what if anything could we should we be reading into his his movements and i have to say the train it came it it's now on its way back we don't have it was kim to go no kim kardashian frankly but but in any event it's been a signal that there is a rapprochement between north korea and china and things have been very very frosty i know from the outside we tend to think that they are extremely close and and historically they have been but actually kim il sung the grandfather of the present incumbent had a falling out with deng xiaoping when deng xiaoping changed direction in china and things have not been good ever since and so kim jong un is the first north korean leader not to visit beijing to if indeed it is him and it would be the first time he'd met anyone of significance outside north korea then it does signal that something is afoot and we're gonna get bigger picture in a second but just on the sort of logistics because this fascinates me you mentioned there is a train i don't know it seems an extraordinary thing that train.
"isabel hilton" Discussed on Monocle 24: The Monocle Daily
"Two you're listening to the daily with me andrew mullah now one party revolutionary state so often on keen on churches when the official ideology is imposed as the one true faith it is massively inconvenient to have people in dramatic hats running around suggesting that it might be subject to heavenly overrule as might be expected therefore china's relationship with the vatican has tended towards the tetchy the chinese catholic population is tiny tiny by chinese standards still twelve million people and now china and the vatican appeared to have reached an understanding on the vexed question of who gets to appoint bishops one joined now by isabel hilton ceo of the china dialogue trust and visiting professor at the allow institute at king's college london isabelle festival what kind of framework can these talks have been happening under because china broke off relations with the holy see 1950 one didn't indeed that can uh i guess religious affairs a managed through the united front organization through the religious affairs bureau and in fact of china wants to talk law was fined away after all nicaragua has no formal relations with china and there were they were proposing to build an entire canal across the country so i think we can find it you know we we can be pretty sure that it's a chinese want to talk they will talk and the will be channels even diplomatic channels so what are truly has been the issue reserve read the appointment of bishops.
"isabel hilton" Discussed on Monocle 24: Midori House
"Usually there's a was the senior political appointee from the policy they cannot yet be and also i mean went the last time that there was a leader who body china in not wait was mile and china was shut off from the outside world in the party story was unchallenged except intently now you've got to china which is out in the world and i'm one of the things that you see increasingly is that the party's attempt to control the narrative about the party undecided china not only in china but in well did not reverse unease in in west in media in you know you have a huge push to make sure that the china story is the party is the party's version of the china's story and that no other story flourishes island this is a real problem i think for western academic freedom for western media and for western values orcre we're going to take a short break now you're listening to midori house with me andrew miller would lesser puddle on isabel hilton coming up next on addition or reignition as it turns out to be political world's lexicon of obscure portfolios from the rise of pet furniture to a roth tiffany museums and a fresh brief of political provocatus there are plenty of reasons to look forward to two thousand eighteen luckily we've packed lots of them into more than two hundred pages of the new decision of the monocle full cost it's a magazine for those who want to look beyond the horizon and split the new opportunities the new year will bring we'll look at the political conversations you'll be having the startups to invest in and the city's you want cool home the forecast is packed with opinion and wit that ideas and provocations a guaranteed to keep you talking all the way through two thousand eighteen.
"isabel hilton" Discussed on Monocle 24: The Foreign Desk
"There's so much censureship now on the chinese internet that the kind of you know rather free rein kind of satire and resistance that when used to see five or six years ago has almost disappeared for now but if you talk to people this some passive resistance xi jinping he may well be loved by some he's also hated by quite a few because this is not the direction that a lot of chinese particularly earth and middleclass chinese really wanted the country to go that was isabel hilton from china dialogue in london now to discuss what this means for china more broadly i'm joined by diane way young and michael or slim there are way long is an international best selling author on commentator on china and michael auslin is a fellow at the hoover institution on the author of the end of the asian century war stagnation and the risks to the world's most dynamic region thank you very much for joining us michael start with you the pervasive you used to be vare as china enjoy the fruits of globalization and the market economy they'd be what is recalled the socalled soothing scenario that would sort of lead the country towards greece democracy and is jusen's along those lines why hasn't that happened well i think that the expectations of what was once known as the washington consensus were based on what we saw happen in europe after world war two and then also in eastern europe and other parts of the world including in asia through the cold war and after the cold war now for many in washington the biggest prize of all of this was to get china to move along this path of general in the ultimate liberalisation and then become.
"isabel hilton" Discussed on Monocle 24: The Foreign Desk
"Isabel hilton is ceo of china dialogue here in london eating pin thought is xi jinping's directions to the party now incorporated by the party and therefore by the country on where china is going to go in what they call the new era and this is a continuing effort on the part of the chinese communist party to evolve it's thinking to deal with changing circumstances said we've had mounted deng soared we've had them tapping thought and now we have sheeting king iii and they're addressing very different issues so much to it was millenarian socialism deng xiaoping thought was essentially moving to the market and xi jinping the would ease about very very muscular nationalism it's making china great again how you would make china great again so it involves strengthening the minute tree eight discards deng xiaoping's instruction to hide your light and baio time it's very much wit bag we will once great hour you stopped china being great power we are going to be great power again people say we have the best relationship of any president president because his goal president also now some people michael on the king of jenin on his goal president he keeping food is addressed at one level to the chinese people annex about why do still need the communist party after all this is really a communist country and communism is not really an ideology that as a future one might have slowed after 1989 so what's the justification for the communist party ruling forever willing cheating pinned sold it is.
"isabel hilton" Discussed on Monocle 24: The Globalist
"Well this is the globalist aren't oregon rush the term in beijing is fourteen thirty three in athens it so gnawing 33 where there is growing evidence of a burgeoning friendship between the world's oldest democracy and the superpower that might never have one or when greece is at its lowest ebb it needed help from its friends it received mainly punishment from its paymasters in germany before the country has struggled on with money borrowed from the european union and the imf investment from china came with far fewer strings attached investments and things that the country's peres porsche among others have offered a rare bright spot for the embattled economy and chinese and money has both beijing some favor in this little corner of europe and managed to obstruct brussels attempts to bring its diplomatic pressure to bear with athens recently vetoing an eu condemnation of china's human rights record and opposed tougher screening of chinese investments in europe while to discuss all this and joined underlined by monaco's correspondent in athens at snuff elite saviour casse and i'm also joined in the studio by isabel hilton editor of china dialogue at first to you napoli in athens how much as greece really got to be grateful for to china well to be completely honest if you look at the figures that the main investors in greece are europeans add the eu and the us and canada i mean china does not even feature in greece's top10 and for example exporting countries for two thousand sixteen nor you know is it one of the biggest investors at least for the time being beep figures where this year haven't been out yet although um china has invested quite significant can be this here and and the end of the last year as well so it remains to be seen but it's definitely not rivaling for the moment at least the eu's presence.