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Vikings TE Irv Smith Jr. To The Moon

Clock Dodgers Podcast - Motivation | Fantasy Football | Comedy | Pop Culture

13:32 min | 8 months ago

Vikings TE Irv Smith Jr. To The Moon

"The vikings cut veteran tight in coward off today and it matters for your dynasty league. You're listening to the dodgers podcast. Let's talk about it. would not game. You are now locked in to the dodgers podcast off the beauty of fantasy football beauty dynasty football more specifically today a veteran titan gets released one who was barely top. Forty tight end yet. Emaar's matters in a major way matter of fact and so let's talk about that. Let's talk about why matters so much. How rudolph was released by the minnesota. Vikings he you know last year wasn't even a top few a a forty tight end so his production wasn't like you know superlatives ready. It wasn't something that would stop necessarily A young guy from shining but it did but it did. He was still the veteran presence in the way of a young guy who was drafted a couple years ago and who many hours to super talented and it looks like the sesser right to the offense so he was in the way he had a big contract and so the vikings. Hey let's get the scott the way now sarai time and now we move onto irv smith irv smith opportunity is now upon us now. You know on the clouds podcast. We talk about windows. All the time redraft different dynasties. A major factor. The window for herb smith has now closed earth smith junior. You can no longer get at a value at a discounted rate Because his opportunity is now upon him so you may still be able to acquire him from team and the price is just to be corrected. Now you're gonna you're gonna buy him at a price that hey. This guy is the star of the minnesota vikings so the window that you had for you know since he's been drafted is now closed and that window is always there and these kind of things that are important to talk about for dynasty. Because we have to know that We have while we're trying to win now. I always believed that you try to win out. Oh believe in the whole tank thing. I don't believe in losing for graphics I'm a firm believer and you played a win now and you can do both right like you could start working your team towards a younger you know younger player base a younger roster still compete so an nerve smith you wash where he drafted to and you go damn covered off a series of vet. He's pretty decent and so he paid a lot of money actually resigned with them after. They drafted him. So you go damn. That's horrible horrible for your chances. So that means that's an opportunity for you to acquire him at a good price because everyone knew for the most part that he was not really gonna be a a usable asset for the first. You know what wall buddha was there for the most part right. Ross out of the way now. So now our smith steps right into the starting role. The team drafted him. They like him. He's an offense that's fire in. Even after lose us too fond digs they slide rookie. Justin jefferson and there. He balls out. Adam dealing doing his thing still continuing to do it. Dalvin cook one of the best running backs. Football kirk cousins. Gets the job done there so is going to be a target. If we look at what we're going to get into the numbers and see exactly what rudolph did what irv did. And how matters you know. Obviously you guys. Don't have big proponent of hey just because the guy leaves doesn't mean necessarily that the guy who fills his spot gets all his targets but this is a you know an interesting situation where it's tight end. He's moving into the starter role. It means more snaps period and get more opportunities as a super talented receiver. So let's look at where first of all covered off. I mentioned earlier when the episode started that he was a top forty tight end last year. Actually was just barely made it So he didn't crush by any means it a little over three hundred receiving yards thirty-seven Targets less than thirty receptions didn't play a full season In only one touchdown so his numbers were not great However he was out there he was getting some targets. He was getting receptions he was he was. He was out there for to play ball. He was out there taking snaps away from earth. Right taken opportunities of being a distraction from the guys getting the ball. So if we look at herbs i you know stats from last season. He actually had thirty receptions. Three hundred and sixty five receiving yards. Five touchdowns touchdowns is something you have to take. Notice that because there is a game earlier in the season when covered off was playing and he had two touchdowns on two receptions ten yards receiving so he can make plays he can big plays he can make end zone plays. He's good in the red zone so that we see that right. If you look at focus on the last four weeks of the season when colorado did not play they were herbs best games. He stepped up right he. He stepped up to the to the you know the option that he had the more. The you know the opportunity that he had. I should say had more receptions more targets more yards three touchdowns on those final game one game two touchdowns in itself though So he produced pretty much. It was inconsistent. That's the issue. It was inconsistent. And like i said we have a lot of weapons on this offense. There's a lot of different players who have to eat so that's always going to be a thing in tight ends. It's the thing outside of a few outliers of guys. There's inconsistency it just is what it is but that's what makes us interesting because when we look at the titans last season till you finish right inside the top forty. We don't give a damn about those guys right like that's it's bad it's bad enough. I mean unless you're one of those guys who were waiver wire and guys every single week and play a match ups like those guys we could care less about for the most part they're tight end is such a waste field but irv actually finished if we look at p. Pr he was right outside the top. Twenty all i care by cpr. If you're playing standard is still around the same thing. Probably but he was right outside the top twenty in which you're like. Hey it's not that great so that so that amazing It's around you know again. Irv didn't play every game last season. Convert often play game last season. So we know we gotta take that into account here. Irv missed two games. I believe it was. If i if i if i remember correctly and again with cow rudolf there. He wasn't getting all the work. He wasn't the workhorse tight. End the go-to every single time option Of there's not given the option. But you know what i mean. The favourite a target at tight end. Honestly if we look at the numbers but are smith. I just talked about heaven. Thirty receptions over three hundred fifty yards if touchdowns an end in at tight end twenty two. What is it take for him. Move to top fifteen top fifteen last. Season's number fifteen was every ingram right. Not he's not a bad player. he's a good player. A lot people like evan engram. There was about a forty plus point difference between the two forty points. Evan ingram played almost every game. Even look at it jimmy. Graham jimmy graham was evidence from dupleix regained last year. Actually it's not it's not. It's been hard for him to do that recently. I forgot jimmy. Graham played sixteen games last season. I mean all these guys are so close like from number eight gronkowski. He scored one hundred forty nine points last year. All the way down to number sixteen geno smith hundred forty so like point separated these two So you see how easy. I guess the point. I'm trying to make his easy to jump in the tight. End rankings Outside of the league is travis. Kelsey darren waller george kittle. The other guys are starting to not be anywhere near that level. But if we're talking about like top-five some guys i hodkinson i'm logan's hamas last year Th they started to put themselves like that top five category which they contained. Repeat those numbers. You know those two saying that or do better But i'm not saying that irving gonna get their that. Offense has so many options going on and you know so many things happening that that's not likely but to say that irv can't jump from twenty two to fifteen or ten s. That's not crazy. If number eight hundred forty nine and number fifteen and number sixteen had one hundred and forty. An irv was about one hundred. You add the extra games. He played a full season again. I never account for injuries. We can't do it. We just assume he's gonna play a full. Cb plays a full season. He's a number one starter on the team. The number one target at tight. End four receptions pro top ten is totally within the realm of possibilities. I smith and with you know in that he in a tight end landscape as crazy as it is. He's totally valuable. He's he's a viable option. That you should be considering and this is where if you miss out on the window if you got in on the window because you were paying attention and looking at these other. These are the things that matter think. Congratulations you pretty much. Have a tight end now on your team. Who's top ten dot fifty potential Instantly because of offs absence. That's how this works. This is time you win. Dynasty leagues is. How you win your league by ahead before these things transpire. Sometimes that's all it takes so this is one situation. This occurred it. There's plenty more opportunities like this is going to play more. The offseason has long all these free agency draft training camp. You have to think about these things to get ahead of these things and take advantage of these opportunities so yes card off left. He's gonna go somewhere else. He's gonna science aware and be event tight end somewhere. I'm not concerned about it I don't think anybody's gonna going. It's going to matter in terms of hurting another tight end or you know put. Yeah put another tight in a bad spot. It's not going to happen. He's not gonna redo somebody's role some dramatic way. He can't go somewhere though. Catch a few touchdowns as you know as a secondary option is totally possible That happens everywhere in the league. So let me look irv or was quote unquote tobacco last year. Call us out so We see this happened. That's why tight end is so crazy the position so volatile so he can go for matter so if you have covered off just hold you know or if you have someone who's super interested for some reason you could you could sell them but you're selling low at this point. I'll wait till he signs aware. If that's the route you choose but out hold at this point. I wouldn't call them. No get dramatic If you have earth congratulations if you don't have her you can acquire You're just gonna pay now. His full value so was tax. You for it For you wait in Irv is definitely by definitely about. He's going to be in the conversation. Our guys like no fant. You know the young guys. You know jonnu These these these these tight ends like there's there's guys people are excited about. I don't i don't think he'll touch. Tj hopkinson range that you're getting you know you're thinking pretty positive in that light if they can. You know super positive. I appreciate your positive nature as possible. Anything's possible right but I don't think he's gonna get that high i don't think he's gonna break through that ground But gather titans. Coconut coming up There's young towns and then you've got the young titans of the draft who were super excited So that that you mess with. That's going to mess with this list a little bit because some guys are definitely gonna be on this list When we talk about this next offseason right like those guys. Some of those rookies. I really believe will be on this list. No question so this is exciting. this is again. Why dynasty football is my preferred style of play. Redrafts is cool all the f. s. All these things are all fun. But dynasties my favorite because the fact that a team can cut an old tight end. Respectfully how ol- tight end and it matters so much like when i seen that news. I got amped up. I got excited. I got jacked up about it that you had on your team or you're you're excited. So this little tiny in in reality maybe real little news to the sports fan most won't even care about this right. But in dynasty it matters the matters and it reminds us about the windows and you must take advantage of. You have to tell you stay ahead. it's how you win our guys that's it that's all we have for today. Shoutout to the vikings for forgiveness. News out serve. He's in for a good season. Really is other than that. You guys know the deal. If you haven't subscribed please subscribe download review all all that good stuff o'clock dodgers's social media be great keep dodging.

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Early Breakouts! Miles Sanders, Joe Mixon, Irv Smith and More (03/01 Fantasy Football Podcast)

Fantasy Football Today Podcast

58:49 min | 8 months ago

Early Breakouts! Miles Sanders, Joe Mixon, Irv Smith and More (03/01 Fantasy Football Podcast)

"This is fantasy football today from cbs. Sports play it's time to dominate your fantasy league. Now here's some combination of adam. Dave jamie benn last february gave you some early breakouts. Twenty twenty season that included josh allen. Kyle lowry and calvin ridley awry good for us but also included darius geiss justin jackson and a couple of players named dj. Who are once again on. The early breakout list. They were there in two thousand twenty. They didn't really have the seasons. we were hoping for. But they're back in twenty twenty one. You probably know who they are. I'm adam as you. Probably know. Dave richard and jamie eisenberg chris. Hours will get early breakouts with them. We have a lot of tight ends on the list today and we have a lot of your two players which is really no surprise we also have been shrager back and that's big news. He's been out for two weeks. Ben welcome back. We missed you man. Tell us about the last two weeks of your life. I miss you so much has happened. The first week. I had no power no heat or anything but we survived and the last week. I went to florida to houston. I've got the vaccine. So we're in great shape. I'm glad to be back. You've got the vaccine as you have like vials of it. And you're hoarding have like ten. Vaccines importing them. So leave those apple podcasts. Ratings to them in in trying to sell them like top shot highlights. Was it like a hypothetical situation. They're not gonna talk about it all right all right. Respect that all right. So let's here's a segment called. Dissing your breakouts. I picked one breakout. One early breakout that you gave me. I'm going to tell you something bad about this player. And you're going to have to tell me why i should stop. Dissing your breakout and why everything's going to be just a just fine. Just okay. no just great in twenty twenty one jamie europe i. Are you ready to be. Dissed sure all right. Let's do it. Disney breakout jamie has dj charge on his list. He was also. I don't know who had him last year but he was an early breakout probably he had in his first. Five games of two thousand care. Okay you didn't let me first. Five games of two thousand night. We had four hundred eighty five yards and five touchdowns great since week six of that year. Twenty three games. He has scored fourteen. Pr fantasy points. six times. He he has been on pace in those twenty three games for sixty nine catches eight hundred fifty five yards and six touchdowns on one hundred and twenty-one targets he basically hasn't been good since the first six games of twenty nineteen. So of district breakout. Tell me why you don't care now going to make you work. So i'm gonna curse covad del. He had a insert bad word bad quarterback. He's not going to have that anymore. Easy to say that with the heat's not around but He's faced the quarterback will be better but you know. Are you worried that we were assuming skill level for him. Based on those six games basically or those five games rather than rather than looking at really hasn't been that great of a wide receiver since early starts. Twenty nine hundred. I mean that's a lot to prove. Obviously there there's there's holes in his game and there's still clearly a chance that he can get an upgrade as the number one wide receiver. We bombed down the depth chart and target opportunities but you know looking at the current shape of their roster and what his role could be He is got the chance to be the number one zero. Trevor lawrence in an offense should be more explosive so I think the opportunity for dj chart to be a top twenty top fifteen wide. Receivers dave chris any quick thoughts are we we on. I struggle a little bit with them. Being eight top fifteen top twenty receiver. But you don't have to draft him that way of course and if you're drafting to be number three ends of being a number three. I think he'll be pretty happy. Yes he's definitely getting a quarterback upgrade lawrence's accurate He's wanting to throw deep and They should throw a decent amount in jacksonville. Not maybe as much as some of these crazy pass-happy teams around the league. But i think there's going to be an opportunity for improve on. I think it's six point six targets per game that he had last year. He can do a little bit better than that. I'm sure jackson will add another receiver either in free agency or the draft. And that'll make things a little bit harder and shark but if you draft him as a number three receiver onboard. Chenault should fit well together. I think you. I guess the question for me is just. What's the hierarchy gonna be. You know with a new coaching staff with a new quarterback. We're not necessarily sure that he's going to be the number one guy but you know him and chenault should operate in different parts of the field and there should be enough room for both of them jamie with the final. Pick of round five so sixtieth overall so here with this was the draft. We didn't really january here with the wide receivers. That went around him. We'll just finished with this. You tell me if this makes sense if it's too high to low brandon courtland sutton. Dj shark brandin cooks. I mean it makes sense. But i think he's better than those all right. Dave you ready to be dissed dismay mike. Good dizzy is your mic is a break outside. End this disick. Icke bunch bunch better right there. Okay drop the mic sickie kris. Okay mike decicco. He basically you look at his last two seasons. He's had some good stretches both times without pressing williams basically as soon as scott her two thousand nineteen first eight games with pressing. Williams had thirty one targets. Last eight games without preston williams. Fifty eight targets twenty twenty. I games with preston williams. Thirty six targets last. Seven games with press williams forty nine targets. That's one hundred twelve target. So i don't know that press is going to be a thing but if we expect them to add someone you know how getting pushed down the sort of a priority list for your sick. He could that be really bad does he. Basically need to be the number two guy in order to get the target share that we need to see every big time tight end typically has to be that guy or better than that guy and i don't know how much patients the coaching staff has with both williams and devante parker. They've already been linked to all the top receivers in the draft and they might take one with their very first pick and if they do then. That'll obviously dingus. Akiva for now. I think that he's shown enough especially late. In the season to be a very big part of this miami dolphins offense and i think too. I was leaning on him. I think leaning on tight ends pretty much every game. He played it and those last six games five of them. He had at least nine. Pr points nine isn't great but it's better than three or four which you get with a lot of other ends. I think he's a great late. Rumbek okay bonas dis you guys. You and jamie both had irv smith on the list of early brake asset. You gave me so. This is a double diss. We figure of smith could be the number three guy in this offense behind jefferson and theline kirk cousins has been there for three seasons the best the best year that number three receiver. What regardless of position has had on. The vikings offense was car rudolf in two thousand eighteen when he had just six hundred thirty four yards and four touchdowns and that's when kirk cousins through six hundred and six passes which is a lot for him so double disc there. Now i now. I'm dissing irv smith as a late. Breakout how much better though is key than herb smith jamie. His you know you have erred. Smith as a as a breakout is farther ahead of smith is i mean you can think he's better. I like irv. Smith and gigi to me are kind of similar. Because i don't think they have very high ceilings both started so for me. Irv smith breaking out is becoming starting fantasy tight end. I think is kind of guy that you'll settle for because i do think. The dolphins receiving core is getting completely overhauled aside from park. So i think you look at smith for example. They're gonna move on karl rudolf. He doesn't want to be in this role again. He's already complaining about his his status so for smith. Now get those Fulltime target chair. Chances as the lead tight end. I think he's going to take that step forward where i think. A seki is kind of showing you who he is. You'll have like you said. Some good stretches allows good opportunities. But i do think that he needs to be a little bit more of the focal point of an offense to be better suited. Help your fantasy team so If you're taking the upside here of those guys i'd much rather take my chances with earth to see what he becomes but if you take him to the floor play i think is the better option at least as we sit here today. That's interesting that you're saying that you think are smith has more upside than my kazuki. As of right now. I think eventually he but as of right now no. I don't because i don't know what the dolphins once we get past. Readjusting the draft. You're gonna see entirely different dolphins offense and maybe an entirely different dolphins quarterback if they're able to swing the trade for deshaun watson and the flip side of that is that you already know what's going on in minnesota justin jefferson stud adam feeling over liable for kirk cousins and so that ceiling just isn't quite there for earth. I don't think irv smith has top five potential today. I also don't think executive stop today. I think six closer than irv smith is like. I've got a sticky right out of smith for example. Yeah safer but i don't think he's gonna win you a fantasy smith has yeah. I think definitely both have top-five potential but the bar for top five is relatively low. Yeah did you guys know where finished at six or seven. I was gonna say seven. Yeah that's thomas like a position stinks number seven as opposed to. He's great number seven. Yeah basically all what you have to do is look at the best tight end and be like oh titans. Terrible so get sticky was sixth seventh seven pr. Irv smith did catch three touchdowns in his last four games of the season. Kyle rudolph missed all of those games. Chris i was gonna throw a you. Have noah fant as a tight end. Breakout is he. You look at these three. Herb smith noah fant mike. Sticky is your favorite right. Now i think fant is. This might be a hot take. But i think fans clearly the most talented of that three. I think he's got The george kittle skill set the ability to make plays down the field but also the ability to make plays with the ball in his hands in a way that is relatively rare for a tight end. And so you know. That's a skill set. That i'm really looking for when i'm looking for a breakout. Ten and the problem is and i kind of only threw him in there. Just so i can have a tight end. The problem is i just. I don't think the offense is going to be good enough to support. You know a jerk. Jerry jeudy breakout courtland sutton being very good. And noah fant breaking out. I i think if they got shawn watson or if they upgraded at quarterback and said either way i would be really really excited about this whole offense i. I'm lower on your locked. And i think most people and i think most people are pretty low on drew. Lock okay. so are you taking or fan. Or smith. I think i have fant ranked the highest of that group. But i'm not super excited about drafting any of them. Necessarily this might be an advertisement for why you should take tight end early in your fantasy draft in two thousand twenty one. Maybe yes everybody can do that though. So what do you do if you can't get those guys this tower. Are you ready to become discs towers. Sure all right. let's discuss. This breakout one of them. Was markey's brown. Pretty simple actually. He has not been a top forty wide receiver per game in either of his first two seasons and the ravens have been last in pass attempts to straight years. This towers. well neither. Have you think you got me there. Talking yeah no. That's true the the ravens aren't going to throw the ball very much. I think we can all agree on that Did they actually throw the ball. Less in twenty twenty twenty nineteen. It was pretty close Yeah last in the nfl. Both years i don't know about that though. The thing is markey's brown early on in the season was getting the kind of target share that a number one wide receiver supposed to be and it was you know primarily downfield targets which is what we wanted to see. That's what you're going to need in a low volume passing offense to be a good fantasy option wide receiver. The problem was him. Lamar jackson just couldn't get on the same. As lamar jackson was really bad on his deep attempts through the first ten weeks of season was nine of thirty two on passes that went twenty. You're more downfield. Over the last seven weeks of the season he was nine of twenty. We're talking about small sample sizes. I don't want overreact to that. But that also coincided with markey's brown taking a nice step forward he you know the last six games of the season. He had six touchdowns. I don't expect him to score sixteen touchdowns next season but he was heading on big plays more consistently. Lamar jackson was finding him more. And if you include the playoffs. His final five eight games of the season. It's five hundred and thirty four yards on thirty four thirty four thirty seven receptions with six touchdowns i think a seventy five catch thousand yards eight. To ten touchdown. Season is not asking too much. I know we hope for that. And twenty nine thousand nine. But i think he's better. And lamar jackson is better than they looked early in the season. Okay so do you realize you're those numbers are those are great numbers last eight games as chris mentioned. It's thirty seven catches five hundred. Thirty four yards six touchdowns fifty seven targets. That's two postseason games where he had over eighty five yards in both games. Do you realize how little lamar jackson was throwing down the stretch. It was crazy and he was still putting up these numbers. Pretty good numbers markey's brown. But he was averaging twenty pass attempts per game and he didn't play in all of the last six games. He missed one of them but so baltimore quarterback average fewer than twenty two pass attempts per game in the last six games of the year and ironically. That's when marcus brown started putting up bigger numbers. They went five and one. And i remember lamar jackson saying like he just you know they were struggling. I think they were seven and five or something at one point maybe Maybe maybe seven four and by the time he had hit or miss game for you miss he missed one game and then they then he came back. They won their last five games and he threw twenty passes per game and i remember him saying that he just like we're struggling. I just gotta run the ball more and if they add some one you kinda right exactly the kind of feel like they will because there's a lot of heat on their passing game. Oh man. I love markets brown but i might be out on team that you're right 'cause they do four hundred and six times in two thousand twenty two four hundred and forty in two thousand nineteen gonna throw the ball that infrequently And add someone. It's going to be tough. But i know they haven't added anyone yet so i know it's early but it's just. It could be a tough outlook for markets brown. Yeah and he's always going to be a low volume guy. I think you're you're hoping for one hundred and ten targets from him. The hope is that those. Are you know in offense that should create passing touchdowns at a higher rate. Then you would expect given the low number of attempts because they're so efficient running the ball. They're in good situations I i just think you know if he's getting consistent downfield targets and him in the mark jackson are hitting on them. Like they weren't last season. I think you can live with the low amount of targets in a like twenty nine thousand nine hundred twenty. Nine thousand stefan. Dick's kind of way. I think for him to be a breakout guy. He's gotta get double digit touchdowns mean because you. You can't like chris. The numbers chris gave catches in yards. I think is within reach. Even what they do if he can get templates touchdowns than he qualifies. I think as a breakout. Otherwise good player. You know what i mean. It's not like he's. I don't think he's a boss. Don't think he's asleep. Where i i don't know if we'll get that breakout level of becoming. You know i think if you're gonna put receiving category has got to be a consistent weekly started for you again on. I'm projecting the same thing for dj dark. I think they're kind of similar in that regard that you know things after really work out well for them but the thing with with brown like you wanna have the best. Dijon jackson season the best lee evans season. Like that's the kind of player he is. You know he's just never going to be a a a high volume everything else unless the touchdowns come along with it and that's the thing that could save is if if he does get into the end zone more and maybe they give him some different opportunities. Dim-sum double screens give them some carries giving them opportunities such of all different way. Get a little bit more creative in their offense. But i think mark brown is the type of guy that you you say. I'll draft him as my third receiver. And if i can start him every week. I'm thrilled about that. Okay so let me tell you the wide receivers. They went around mark brown and our january. Pr draft this was around seven about seventy seven. Th overall odell beckham marquees brown. Deebo samuel odell beckham marquees brown deebo samuel dave thoughts on that group I like brown better than all those guys and back. I think i think the way jamie wrapped up what he said about brown where you draft him as a number three and you start him that way. That's great if you if you're in a deeper league or maybe you're you're swinging on other positions and you wait on wide receiver in the ends up being your wide receiver to that's okay and it's all contingent on the ravens. Not making a splash at wide receiver. The bigger the splash. they make a wide receiver. This offseason the more. It's obviously going to impact markets brown. And we've talked about this if they add speed. They're passing game a. It's going to be good for lamar jackson. Because it's another player that can make a play after the catch or attack deep within be it forces defenses to not cram up against the run so it there's a lot of sensible things in play but the bigger the ravens go at wide receiver. The more it's going to impact that target share for marquees brown and that just it fits him into that wide receiver. Three hole even more cool all right so we got a lot more breakouts to get to you know. We don't have to talk about the sophomore running the emmys listen to the sophomore running backs episode. That's kind of like an early breakouts episode but really we'll touch on them Cam akers on dave's list and jamie's list. The andre swift is on jamie and chris's list miles gaskins interesting one. We'll talk about him. A couple of you had miles sanders on your breakout list. tee higgins michael pittman for for dave jamie. Also s e higgins ceedee lamb. So we like the. We'd like you to players a lot as breakouts which again should come as no surprise. We also like fantasy baseball. We are big fantasy baseball. Fans chris on the fantasy baseball today. Podcast and fantasy baseball today has launched new show. It's f in five fantasy baseball today and five. You've listened to fantasy football tonight. And five. So i don't have to tell you all that much about it but fantasy baseball today in five. Get that every morning. First thing in the morning five minutes quick fantasy baseball update very convenient brand new. Podcast just launched so be one of the i leave. Nice review spread the word fantasy baseball today in five. We're going to tell you about paramount. Plus a little bit later on in the show and make sure you're checking that out 'cause streaming for paramount plus starts very soon news and notes. Alex smith in washington are expected to part ways according to rappaport jamie. Who's going to be the washington quarterback in two thousand twenty one. Sam darnold really think so make sense. A seventeen game schedule was highly likely according to peter king. So we'll get when that breaks will react to it but there will be more fantasy football. Do you know that if dak prescott does not sign with the cowboys. The longest standing quarterback in the nfc east be. Give me a break. He's like he'll be sacked like the second place so he won't be standing very long. You know but where's my the rim shots sound effects here. Don't have that somewhere there. We go see timing is everything volks rappaport also says. No one believes to shawn watson. We'll be traded soon. Okay so what does that mean. That means that the texans are okay with him sitting out the entire program and training during his driving up the price. I hope that's what it is. Let's get let's get them on a team where you can a bidding war between the jets. And the dolphins who gets traded. First watson or wilson watson both is not going anywhere with that who gets traded first watson. Her darnold could happen in the same move is good. That's a good point all right Houston oh we'll get to johnson. But the houston chronicle says that will fuller will fuller will not be franchise tag and houston released running back duke johnson and center nick martin. They may want to resign. Duke johnson lower salary according to the houston chronicle. He had twenty catches and eleven games. If you're wondering. Oh how. Many catches david johnson have without duke johnson. Two to eleven. Three and three david johnson at thirty three catches for the season. Eleven of them in one game. He wasn't neither of them. Were that involved in the passing game. A lot of that. And i think a lot of that depends on the shawn watson watson's there i don't think they're going to have many opportunities for running backs to catch the ball and that's been the case for him his entire career and then something keep in mind wherever he gets traded. Okay you're that la- michael buron. San francisco has inquired about teddy bridgewater. According to the athletic sean mcvay said cam akers is a very special player and an every down back. Julian edelman may not fully recover from his knee injury. So hopefully you can get back on the field. If not it's gonna make jakobi meyers a lot more interesting. Meanwhile opt out news or opt in news. New england did not have their safety. Patrick chung their linebacker dante power off hightower their offensive lineman marcus cannon. Last year. they opted out. They plan on playing in twenty twenty one. Same thing with giants formerly left tackle. If he's on the team will probably be the right tackle. Nate older he plans on playing in twenty twenty one all right. Let's do a few more breakouts here. A lot more breakouts well trying to get the is. We haven't talked about it then. We can wrap it up with the ones that we talked about recently. So let's go joe mixing dave. He is a breakout for you. Believe it or not. He was on a per game basis twelfth in non pr eleventh and he only played six games but we know so much. That was one huge game against jacksonville. He was. He was strange and frustrating running back last year. What to expect from. Joe mixon as early twenty. Twenty one breakout. I think he's got the chance to put up career best numbers which is what i said about him last year too and he was not going to do that and to start last year but his offensive line was terrible and it took a little while for the offense to start to involve him in the passing game and i think that they learned. That's something that they could rely on mix and four. I also expect the offensive line. The better they can draft a guy that can add a free agent. it's an obvious. Need for cincinnati and the passing game is going to be there. There's going to be receivers that are going to challenge the safeties to stay back. That open things up for mixing as a runner and as a pass catcher. It'll be very involved. And i just don't want people to forget about. Joe mixing and say well he's bengal any suck last year. So that's that don't draft 'em that's the case at all. I think he absolutely has a chance to have his best year ever. He was on pace for over. Three hundred carries every running back in the last five seasons has gotten to three hundred carries has been a top five running back in both formats and that is only because the gareth blunt only had two hundred and ninety nine carries five years ago. He was topped dan. He was not top five. Let's make this a broader discussion. Here mixing miles sanders. Who showed up for jamie and chris on their breakout list and pick not jonathan taylor Because i know how about him. But cam akers d andre swift. Let's talk about those four running backs in miles sanders cam. Akers d andre swift. All of them are on this. Early breakout discussion for some of our analysts. One two three chris. Why don't you go. And rank them mixing sanders swift acres sanders swift and mixing our five spots. Apart in my rb ranks in that order i have sanders. Highest and then acres is eight spots behind joe mixon so i am not quite on. The makers breakout train. It's not that. I don't think he's particularly good. I think he's pretty good. It's mostly comes down to the passing game role and it's also. I am a little lower on joe. Mixson i think the k. Makers train just crash when you said that. That's a sound in the background when you were talking about. Sorry my is that the trae. The cam akers breakout trade. Yeah that was the cam. Akers train coming off the rails. No i actually think between sanders swift mixing and acres. I think swift is the only one. I really count on to be a legitimate passing game help the way the lions used him last season and the skill set he showed. I think he's probably the best bet among this group to have sixty five to seventy targets. I think it's an open question for everyone else So he might actually end up being number one among this group once. I you know tweak things but i like all of them well enough i think acres is the one that i'm least likely to draft this year. He you know the the six games where he was really the every down back playing. Sixty five to seventy five percent of the snaps. He rushed for five hundred and sixty one yards which is awesome but only had fourteen targets in those five era. Those six games one hundred forty seven receiving yards. I'm just. I'm not sure. What the receiving game role is going to be. That hasn't really been there for the rams since todd gurley new quarterback there was running backs all the time in fact that the andre swift has a new quarterback. That hasn't who's running backs in two years. I just don't think that matters a lot more within the context of the offense and the quarterback themselves. There are certain quarterbacks who don't throw the ball to the running max. But that's mostly mobile quarterback deshaun watson who are more willing to scramble than just dump off so acres. The carries were a huge carry. Tom numbers twenty eight in the first playoff game. One hundred thirty two overall in those six games when that fifteen to sixteen per game rather than twenty to twenty five. I'm just not sure how high the ceiling is. If that receiving role doesn't materialize. Jamie wanted to give us your rankings. Of those four. Chris went miles sanders swift nixon acres acres slipped sanders acres swift acres. I well acres swift sanders. Mixson okay and then data. They're all my top fifteen. Okay give me a quick ranking. Then jamie expand on acres number one acres swift mixing sanders to interesting very jamie europe first acres number one. I just think they're game flow is going to be a lot in his favor. This is going to be team. That's gonna have a chance to win a lot of games. I think his role in the passing game will increase slightly. I don't think it's going to be two point where he's a dynamic pass catcher but i think a full offseasons gonna matter for him tremendously. I do think the quarterback change will help him. I also think that mcveigh's gonna realize what his skill set is expand that Based on what he did in college you know he was a pretty good pass. Catcher for state. I think that will carry over the. Nfl's wall as he's used in more some obvious passing down situations. I don't think they're fully trusted him until the end of the season to be a little bit more pass blocker so just being on the field in those situations with malcolm. Brown gone a veteran that they trusted to be in those spots He's not going to be part of the roster anymore. So i think acres can be a a thirty five to forty catch guy and what will do running the ball. I think that will put him in the top ten range. So that's why. I think he's a break canada's well everybody's got swift second that's interesting debut of sanders. Last go acre swift mix and sanders. And where is he by the way just in your overall running back rankings. He's nineteenth. But i still view them as a third round pick. So he's cut off for me. He's the end of where you can get a running back that's reliable and it's really just coming down to. How much will he play. What how will this role. Change the talked about mobile quarterbacks. And how they don't necessarily throw to their running backs a lot. He's got a mobile quarterback now with jalen hurts there hurts can also steal opportunities from all sanders both in general and near the goal line. So i'm a little nervous about just how much of that workhorse role. He will still have in twenty one. Chris miles sanders number. One in this list for you ahead of the andre swift Joe mixon and cam akers the big playability that he's shown the fact that You know jalen hurts. I i would expect won't throw the ball to him as macho. that wasn't really a part of miles. Sanders game after the first five or so games last season anyway but i just think among this group. He's the easy bet to be the most efficient runner and that big playability also makes him more of a touchdown threat I also just don't think he has very much competition for touches. Although i think that's pretty much true for all of these guys the key for him. Can he get back to the downfield role in the passing game. Even if the targets do go down if he can go back to being someone that they look for fifteen twenty yards downfield. I think that can be a real differentiator for him. It just it continues to make his ceiling higher than most running backs in his range. He just has to get back to it last year. It was the ravens game. He dropped touchdown those pretty much the last time they threw the ball downfield to him. I wanna see them. Get that confidence back in him. As far as mixing goes. I mean that was miles sanders. We're talking about mixing has barely played without jean-bernard who's a free agent now and you know if you look at his six games. The first three games of the year giovanni bernard was getting a lot of the catches. But after that it was it was kinda mixing Bernard had sixteen catches in those six games and twelve of them came in the first three games mix him is getting more and more involved in the passing and i was actually surprised that in two of his three seasons he's been on pace for forty nine fifty three catches so had one year where he was more like a thirty five catch guy but he was on pace for fifty six catches in twenty twenty. Joe mixon so it's you know it's interesting and they the hopefully they'll all be workhorses. I guess final question who's got the most upside miles sanders the andre swift mixing or acres. Sco jamie dave chris. Who's got the most upside of this four. This group of four acre. I have a tough call acres over swift but i've got it ranked that way so i will also say acres and that's npr. If it's non yards easily cam. Akers swift i think in non. Pr might be mixim. The only concern is going to be so bad like he may have the most catches of this group. That would not surprise me at all I think coaching staff is clearly everything you hear from dan campbell. They anthony land and everything that they've done Speaks to them doing some some nice things to help the andre swift. Take the next step but this team is going to be terrible. Especially those kenny. Golladay this this could be one of the worst teams in the nfl They're going to build towards something. There's there's a lot of potential here. But i think for twenty twenty one. That could hurt the andre swift concert scoring chances of his rushing yards rushing opportunities so i have swift right now ahead of mix in sanders or head of sanders mixing that order But he he makes me a little bit nervous just in terms of what his eventual total production could be man. They bad last year too and his last five games and that was with him. You know having that concussion not necessarily being that every down back that we hoped he would be you ever seventeen point points per game over the all three. This isn't a swith player. But they're gonna be worse than they were a year ago man. Yeah i probably will be with no stafford but man. That offense was a mess. So i i'm i'm hoping that they at least have a better game plan. They'll be a little bit more. I don't think they'll be as aggressive with the pass as they were last year. I think that they'll dow that down. Anthony lynn has already compared andrea swift to austin ekeler said that they have similar skill. Set and lind's been using pass catching running backs his entire career. He's going to build. That in swift has a chance to easily all running back. So we're talking about receptions but lynn has also said that he's going to find somebody to share the workload with so this is not going to be the andrea swift. It can be peter. Downtown seven carries a game at the adrian peterson. I'm worried it's going to be more like twelve. And we saw that with the chargers where that second guy anywhere from eight to twelve touches per game and then swift could theoretically at the rest. Jamie's point about them playing from behind a lot means that the carries won't be there but the catch is well chris. I think you said that. There's potential for swift. Have sixty five or seventy targets. I think sixty five or seventy receptions. Yeah i work at the goal line was also good last year. But i'm could. He finished the year with one. Hundred eighty carries seventy catches. Eight total touchdowns. I think that's well within reach even if the lions offense stink. That's that's not a lot of carries. Did that'd be a really good season. That's really really good a sixteen. Pr point per game season dip. He's good he's not. He doesn't have the highest upside. I don't think he's got the highest upside of anybody that we're talking about. You know what these numbers mean. Sixteen per game you said so that would be last year. That would have been fourteenth per game behind austin ekeler. Who was at sixteen and a half regain ekeler though left one game really early so he's probably a lot better than that all right. So that's a really good discussion here. And i guess to cap it off the andre swift if they are going to use another running back with just hope they don't do it anthony. Lynn did last year and put kaelin balaj in at the goal. Line that of austin ekeler that kind of garbage using other running back. All you want just led the andrea swift score those touchdowns as dave mentioned. He was really good from shore yardage near the goal line. He had eight rushing touchdowns all of them were from six yards out or closer to of them from one yard to from two yards two from three yards out. 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Two of which when they had their quarterbacks in terms of d higgins with borough in cd lamb with dak prescott in you know you just see what the could be over sixteen games. Hopefully those guys stay healthy with their quarterbacks and you could be talking about must start wide receivers and when he was he was a superstar. You know so. All three of these guys are the chance to special now. You gotta work in deebo samuel being healthy because he missed so much time and george kittle. Miss that stretch of game. So kenny still do that with those guys around. I'm gonna say. Yes if the quarterback situation is at least jimmy garoppolo and hopefully maybe an upgrade But the upside for all three of these guys going into their second year. Not all three are going to materialize. But i think the the sample of what you saw can make you very encouraged about what they could be as their careers. Continue to progress. So higgins lamb. I you did you say which one is the most upside. I think you know higgins probably just given the opportunity to be the lead guy there you still have to worry about lamb with cooper with the other guys there but t higgins could easily be the number one receiver from cincinnati. And so if he does take that next step of borough comes back at one hundred percent they add another offensive. Linemen obviously run the ball. Bit better with. Joe mixing opened up in the passing game. I mean you could see the cincinnati offense upset could be as we talked about joe burrow. You know what was he. Top six seven in terms of passing yards per game. When he was healthy and higgins was putting up a a big portion that was with. Aj green on the field for whatever that's worth whether green was producing or not producing. He was still there taking targets away. And so is the third guy who's going to replace. Aj green going to be better than they did green. I don't think so right away. Maybe eventually depending on how they address that. But you know what t- hagen showed you last year should make you very encouraged by what he can become and that could be a top fifteen fantasy wide receiver. Yeah this first. Ten games with wpro. He was twenty third and nine. Pr he was twenty seven. Npr is bets. Best stretch was a seven-game stretch. You know after the first three weeks of his career basically rookie wide receivers off the slow starts. After that i mean he was awesome. He was on pace for eighty catches over twelve hundred yards five touchdowns and aj is getting a lot of targets. I'm mean had seventy seven targets in those. First ten games and tee higgins head sixty one so green getting a lot. More targets than higgins higgins so much better and now you don't have to worry about that maybe they will throw the ball forty times a game but still you like the target jerry and dave michael pittman on your early breakouts list. How much of. I know when it comes to drafting and adp is going. Be way behind these guys but in your mind how far behind ceedee lamb and see higgins and bring you. Michael pittman is still fairly far behind. I mean we're talking The neighborhood of thirty picks over also maybe three rounds behind them and as high builds for awhile carson wentz's looking good and pitman is his best outside threat that will rise in. he'll probably end up being maybe two rounds behind that group but in npr. I think he's going to have targeted increase. I'm expecting to wild and the leave indianapolis and go somewhere else. And if that's the case he's he's that type of alshon jeffery travis full gum physical perimeter receiver. That went says leaned on As as he's grown in the nfl and the colts are really good. It mixing and matching their guys. He running a bunch of crossing routes last year. He can run deep routes as well. He can be utilized in the red zone. He can be a factor pretty much any way. Indianapolis wants to use them and the opportunity. Be there for him to do well with. Let's take a look at see where michael pittman went. He went in round twelve in our january draft. light after. That's ridiculous chris. I don't think we'll see that again. She could've taken on. You took darnall mooney. who took. Who took michael pittman went the next pick. We think it was david jamie. Who do you think jamie it was it was jamie diabolical. We did this draft without ranking so it was not easy to remember all the players. We wanted dr mooney michael. Pittman gabriel davis christian kirk. Those were the four wide receivers the first four off the board in round twelve mooney. Pittman gabriel davis christian kirk. Pittman the consensus best of that bunch. Yeah yeah okay. Chris speaks for everyone. I mean we see what they do you know. There's there's they're not going into twenty twenty one season with this receiving core like this. There's no chance kris. You have a couple of breakouts on your list and Dj more diontae johnson. Who do you like better. Dj more Better i think he's one just a better player. I'm actually. I think the jury is still out on on how good diontae johnson is But you know the role that he has is so valuable but Ina vacuum i think. Dj more clearly. The better player. Dave jamie who do you like better. Dj more diontae johnson in a vacuum. He's a better player. Isn't really the argument here yeah. Dj more is the better player. Dj more has higher ceiling. I don't see the andre johnson being better than he was last year unless just things dramatically changed for him because he was pretty good last year. So it's not like it's a. It's a knock on john johnson or chris saying he's going to be a breakout player. I just don't know like if there's a lot more room for him to grow in the current construct of the steelers offense. Well ju ju leaves that theoretically opens the door for more targets for diontae johnson. The province dame's washington there though in the ball. You know they were throwing the ball to juju. I i know but they'll throw him the ball obviously getting a bigger role and obviously they're going to have to address the run game too so i don't see the of being that much better than he wrote. All of that's true but chase claypool and james washington are very different players. And and i just don't think they would use them the way they used juju deontay and juju were short guys. I think you're gonna make them back when he makeup. He's had some saying he wants to come back but he's just he may take a discount this day if diontae johnson has a similar role as last year if he gets one hundred and forty four targets. I just think he'll be better. I think the the drops won't be as much of an issue. I catch rate will be a lot higher. And he had you know remember. He had a lot of games where he left early with injuries. He played fifteen games but he had one game where he played only eight percent of the snaps in other words. Twenty four percent. He was a really frustrating player especially in the early to middle part of the season. I think he can become a more consistent. Pass catcher with this high volume short yardage role. I think he could be someone who catches one hundred and ten passes in this offense and that's going to have a lot of value. I think he'll just honestly. I just think he plays better in year three. Hopefully it doesn't drop the ball as much first thing. Ed bouchette of the athletic believes that you'd use gone doesn't think that he'll be back. He said basically the same thing with james conner second of all with connor gone and a huge question. Mark a running back for pittsburgh does that mean even more short area passing for the steelers. And he's no. I noticed ridiculous. It's completely preposterous that they they keep doing what they've been doing. And and my problem. Is i see the talent with the johnson and i do have him literally one spot ahead of dj more. And i have both of them. Literally one spot ahead of chase claypool and think about johnson and claypool and i think rothlisberger and i get that feeling in my stomach that i'm going to be sick because i'm just not sure that rothlisberger he had flashes of greatness last year but they usually came after a half of terrible passing. What's going to happen next year. How it's going to be able to improve ties back. Tim have you pretty bad again. Yeah i expect right. But that's kind of why i like diontae johnson because You know it's a lot easier to throw the ball six yards down the field than it is fifteen. Yeah but defenses are gonna know it. I do get a little nervous about these receivers. And i really liked claypool. But i get nervous given roethlisberger's arm would you guys rather have diontae johnson or adam feeling johnson higher. The the johnson or robert woods robert woods. That's was that. I'll take that was. I have one spot. Hire me to just said yesterday. He's hoping to return to pittsbur- yeah well we'll see what happens. I think. I think we hope not. Where do you wanna see. Juju go if he doesn't go to pittsburgh. Miami jimmy jess niamey. I mean you've heard the raiders linked to juju. That'd be would. I would hate that for fantasy. He's gonna snag a ton of targets away from everybody else there. There's only one guy. I'm worried about him taking targets from now. Well that's the one that well. That's that's a pretty important. Those three tight ends van. They hit they're going to be drafted super early. Would you rather have the andre johnson or cd lamb. Janta me to the onta- safer land has hires you. Who's the year too wide receiver. That has a big year after doing almost nothing as a rookie like like dante johnson. Basically liked dj. And michael gallup year for that and courtland sutton is it pitting pitman. I think judy is the easy answer. Yeah oh yeah rugs do. I mean if you're on just go with nothing. But if there outdoor jalen reagor and their rake shot likely to be the number one wide receiver. And it's he had like three separate injuries in the first five or six weeks of the season including training camp. That just really made it hard for him to abrogate going. I've been studying serianni over the weekend. And i talked to a couple of people about any and apparently first while he's a former receiver won three division three national championships at mount union and apparently everywhere. He's gone. He has improved the passing game for wide receivers. You'll read about it on. Cbs sports dot com zach. Paschal told me that he's the he's the reason why he's like. He had a good year last year. It was nick suryadi and just getting ask. The answer are screw. No paschal wasn't what the best year of his career. He's talked about that. No listen. I don't think i don't think he's about to have a bunch of pascal's as you're headed for five was a breakout for him for him would be. The point is is that i think receivers are going to have a a nice role in philadelphia because of syria again. Be worth didn't have anybody great last year. Who was healthy. All right so well they did have dallas goddard and jamie you have him listed on your breakout lists here and he in three games. A jalen reagor average right around forty yards per game did not score a touchdown. He was on fire. her yet. Jalen hurts he was on fire the three games before that with carson wentz sixty six to seventy seven yards in all three games and whatever. The production wasn't as good with with hurts. Those were hurts. His first starts so anyway dallas what. What is his upside. He could be a top five tight end if not better. I mean this is the type of situation that we look for a terrible receiving corps with a chance of a tight end leading the way and being the best guy on the team. And i think that's pretty clear with alsgaard show you in. Tandem was akard before when he was a top ten tight in what he showed you at the start of the season last year when he was healthy and wentz was actually playing. Well i think jalen hurts gonna realize that dallas goedert is best option in the passing game so god has got a chance to be really special to see anybody disagree with that. I'm not totally convinced. Alex got it is Like there was like some dallas to better than zach ertz talk last offseason. I'm not sure he's that kind of talent. I don't think he's really Showed that he's been relatively inefficient receiver over the course of his career. But look if the targets are there if he gets a hundred and twenty targets. He's going to be a top five tight end So you know it just depends on whether this is still a tight end. Heavy offense with you know new coaches and and you know a new quarterback. I think the talent is absolutely there without scattered. He will absolutely play a lot there. There's stuff that ceremony has has said about tight ends. And apparently like he's watching their routes to and he's watching their splits and making sure that they're running out perfectly so that they get opened for the quarterback that's is going to be an offense that's predominantly west coast. I think it as a chance to do. Tab is best year yet and scott having zach ertz. Not there if he leaves. That's obviously going to help him. Get to that point. But i think the offense will be very good for goddard as well. Well it's going to be better than paramount. Plus paramount plus live sports breaking news in a mountain of entertainment. You can go straight from game day to movie night with paramount. Plus you can get the godfather indiana jones mission impossible. New episodes of critically acclaimed original series like star trek picard. The good fight and the stand. And it's where you can dive into live sports from cbs sports including the nfl march madness. 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I cannot recommend more highly. Maybe that's why people could mean head lasso. I'm a bright beacon of hope. Here's a question from john twelve team. Pr league one quarterback it's dynasty. I have picked one. Oh one and two. Oh five. I was offered ekeler. Oh god no. I was offered ekeler and one zero nine. Four one one zero five. I am one running back away from being a top team. I mean i guess in theory. I'm one running back away from being a top team in my league. Would you give up the first pick and pick two. Oh five for one nine okay. I'm sorry i shouldn't have reacted that strongly. What would you guys do here. I guess if you just you know you wanna play revisionist history the ninth pick. This year could have been optimistic. Could gibson maybe it could have been cam akers. It doesn't say this is one quarterback of the qb one qb so lawrence is obviously not going one on one and one year would have been not a bad thing but not the best running back in class lease as now. We've got over there. Do you know typical typical dynasty league. You're going have within the first seven picks you'll have. Let's say six pick. Sorry two running backs that the two big running backs too big wide receivers and maybe waddell. Maybe three five plus lawrence plus. That's seventy six. Go that high though i think he will. He's a receiver now. If he's a tight end then yeah. I mean maybe maybe but so. That's what i'm getting at is with the ninth pick. You might be able to get the fourth best wide receiver. The third best running back in the class like you're getting ekeler in that. I think you probably do it. The chances of whoever you pick at one oh one being better than actor in two thousand twenty one are pretty slim. Maybe twenty twenty five right right. Yeah and and. I think he's just also like i have a top five or six running back for twenty twenty one so i think you're getting that elite player and he's gotta be an elite player before we call him an elite like for a full season because he's not showing up today. He's clearly going running back if he gets one on one research at one on one right so if he goes to the dolphins adam who would you rather have ekeler long-term no you twenty twenty one equa. That's not close. I don't know because you know you get. Sometimes you get those rookie running backs these monster seasons and i think he would be capable of doing it if he goes to the rice capable of it. But i'm still rather have the right now. Adam ekeler was the number four rb twenty nineteen. Yeah okay but he did not have a full workload. That's what i'm saying. He hasn't shown that he can handle a full workload for foresees very small. Yeah i don't expect him to ever have to prove you can hang on. Want to get hurt. Yeah no that's fair just before we go to the next question. 'cause you teased it and i think it should be brought up chris. Ed gaskin as a breakout crap about that. Yeah and obviously that depends on who they bring in. I would assume they bring someone in. But if not i mean you're talking about. He was one of the most consistently good running backs and fantasy last season. I think it's a really good situation for him. You know they showed last year. They wanna use one running back. When it wasn't myles gaskin. It was seven getting seventy five percent of the snaps. So i think myles gaskin if they don't bring in legitimate competition if they just bring in another role player he's gonna be. I think a top twenty five pick for me and twenty twenty one. It depends on who they bring in and what the rest of the offense looks like but myles gaskin is someone. I'm very excited about as things stand. Yeah just it it. it seems. See the jones rumors Obviously the running back situation being what it. But they've got more draft capital than anybody so they can move up down and all around to try and corral either. But i think like the crystal point if it's not harris routine or one of the carolina guys In the first two rounds in if it's a day two or day three guy house gaskins much better standing at least going to prove himself to be that type of guy. So yeah and i just want to clarify that with ekeler. He only had his crew high as one hundred and thirty two carries. So i mean that's just my only concern that he might not be a worse. He was an four games in twenty nine hundred nine when he was when he was rb four but he also had ninety two catches that year. Which is it again. It's one nine for what ekeler in one zero nine for one one into a five. Pr doesn't get arrested or they don't get the rest of the raw. He said he's one running back away. Nobody a contender i get. I mean look ekeler makes you tender. Twenty twenty one. The question becomes twenty twenty two and beyond you know because it's harrison is the best one class and he is what he could be with the right team. Then you don't wanna pass up so if he can hold off on the trade until the nfl draft then. I might try and do that. I know you love to hold things against me four years later so you can hold this against me. Travis is definitely the best running back in this class. He might be. I mean neither one on one. I'm not i'm not to me. Their wine and four a he is trapped. cdn is going to blow the doors off. Nausea has scores. It will matter where they end up. But i'm on that once. I find out where they land at five five all right last one year from dick at other dynasty question i mean travis but a crappy situation like the chiefs fourteen team full. Pr one qb. I have the one point one five. The fourteenth pick one point one four point fourteen. Why i keep saying one point one four In our startup draft and one point zero one in the rookie draft okay. So they're doing a startup draft and then a rookie draft. So he's got the topic in the he's got four. He's at the last pick in the veteran draft and he's got the first pick in the rookie draft. I was offered the twelfth pick in the startup draft for my third round. Pick and pick one a one. No why would you do that just to move to spots. No no i. Would you do that. This one's easy. I'm just going to respond exclamation point. You nick and we're out of here for today. Thanks to chris. Dave and jamie and ben shrager ben back all for listening to appreciate it. We'll talk to you tomorrow with early. Lost hey luke. Thomas along with my co-host ryan campbell morning. Combat brings you with an informative look at boxing near far. Wherever the hell you are morning combat will go on abib number of. I don't think he i. 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Bold Predictions, Fill in the Blank, Rankings and More (09/02 Fantasy Football Podcast)

Fantasy Football Today Podcast

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Bold Predictions, Fill in the Blank, Rankings and More (09/02 Fantasy Football Podcast)

"This is fantasy football today from cbs. Sports it's time to dominate your fantasy league law. Here's some combination of adam. Dave jamie heath. Today we cover the best fantasy topic that there is that is bold predictions. It's the best because you can't hold us through it if we're all whatever. It was just the bold prediction. I love that about bold predictions eight bad about bold predictions. I ate it our job. Gentlemen it's to predict what's going to happen in fantasy football. The thing the thing that i like about it is. It's way you can take the things that you actually believe but are too afraid to say them and like you really believe that. Got a little bit. you know. it's not like you exactly one hundred percent believe that this is going to happen right right. It's your plan to flag. Yeah it's fine. It's fine contact. People enjoy listening. Today's episode is sponsored by sonos arc the premium smart sound bar for tv movies music gaming and more stay tuned for additional details about sonos arc later in today's show. We have actually a lot today. Not just bold predictions. We'll catch up on the injuries. We've got fill in the blank. We've got rank these three players. I'm just gonna give david. Chris three players and they rank them And i think there are three players that you could complicate. I i will. Don't worry dave. I will explain the rules before we get to the segment there Players that i think people could be realistically deciding on when they when it's their turn to draft okay so first bowl prediction. What is like knocking. My socks off. Say i wanna point out. So i'll start my bold prediction. But before i do. I just wanna say the two players. I'm talking about played on the same college team and one was clearly better than the other one. Okay so i just want to throw that out there. Bold prediction samuel outscores terry mclaren in fantasy football into year. Two thousand twenty one. And i know all my god. It's crazy. what are you thinking term. Maclaurin outscored curtis samuel in the same amount of games last year by thirteen. Did you know that. No one another flavor on they were on different teams and one had a terrible quarterback but other than that. Well i mean one. The other one didn't have a great quarterback. But i will is that on their here. Okay sorry we're having some technical difficulties in the studio. I'm good the other thing. I will point out. Did you know that. Curtis samuel is eleven months younger than terry mcauliffe cares. He was thirty seven spot tire. They played in the same college. Offense curtis samuel was much better and he's younger and he's been in the nfl longer. So it's not as wild as it seems. I know why. But why breakout warn. Tell me why. Curtis samuel outscore maclaurin the last time curtis samuel played in rivera's offense was the two thousand nine hundred season and famously. It was not a great season for curtis samuel had like six hundred ninety yards. He wasn't great. The thing was yeah. It was actually in a very valuable role in that offense. Like fifteen hundred. Thirty three air yards and that offense i think it was like fifth or six in the nfl. He actually had more area than that offense than dj more. Who i think is pretty good. Comp for terry mclaren in the roles that they're going to play in this offense so yes i think tara maclean will be better receiver than courtesy. But i think it might be closer than we think. Maybe it's eleven hundred yards versus nine hundred yards. I think that's perfectly reasonable but curtis is also going to have a role in the running game. We saw last season. Obviously that wasn't in. Ron rivera's offense. But we saw last season. He was really really valuable in the russian game. And you know in in rivera's offense and twenty nineteen. I think he had like twenty five carry. So that's the kind of thing that i think that's lost a little bit and fantasy production when we're talking about wide receivers four guy like robert woods for a guy like kurdistan. I'm not. I'm not saying you should like project and boost every wide receiver because they might get rushing yards but does is clearly have a role in. It's part of their skin. It's going to be used daniela's dealing with the groin injury. That's the biggest concern for me. Yeah well i. I think regardless of how you feel about this bold prediction. Curtis samuel is now going a hundred and thirty first overall. It is showcasing drop in average position from where he was before his injury so regardless he presents great value. Okay dave now now. Chris gave me his three bowl predictions before the show. Dave just gave me the players involved. Was jerry judy. One was tyler boyd. And the third. One was hatred officer. So i went. I fulfilled. i'd filled in the blanks on the bold prediction. So dave's bold prediction of for tyler. Boyd is tyler. Boyd will meet dave in the year. Two thousand twenty four and ask him to name the city and state he is from yes that will help people in fantasy leagues this year as well all right. So i'm by the way before the show like because adam doesn't know what the prediction is. I told him. And i said it with a very straight voice. That tyler boy will finish number three fantasy receiver an atom lost. He was like you can't say that. That's not a bold prediction. Here's the bold prediction. And i've given it before. Tyler boyd will be the best receiver on the cincinnati bengals. Pr this year better than hagans. Better than jomar chase. Actually i'm right to add sill. Npr i just think about the offensive line not doing its job to the best of its ability. Joe borough dropping back to throw getting rid of the ball quickly. Here's a target in the middle of the field that beats coverage routinely it will never be double coverage of its zone. He can find pockets to get open. He'll pick up lots of targets. He did that plenty of times. I believe he had fifteen. Pr points in six of ten games with borough last year. I can double check that. When i am done talking but i think there is potential for tyler boyd. To have one of his best seasons ever with the bengals catching those easy short passes building up his numbers. Npr and finishing not as a number three receiver. Adam but as a number two top twenty one at that. I'll tell you what is in the his first. Nine games with borough. Borough got hurt in the tenth game. Tyler boyd was sixteenth per game. Sixteen per game in full. Pr twenty per game in non pr and boyd. I'll just get the tenth game in where we're borough played. You know half yeah. He was on pace for twelve hundred yards. I believe in those ten games. Sorry eleven thirty six in those ten years. He's only ninety. Four games borough at twenty one fantasy points or more boyd at at least eighteen. Npr this is the this is one of my favourite round six seven picks to tape going t boy going. I don't think i don't well you don't of him around six but where i'm happy to take. Yeah but you don't have to because on cbs. He's ninety four so bs see where he is in fantasy prose consensus. Pp are by the way that was a sarcastic s cbs. Cbs is a great company until program and ninety first and fantasy prose wide receiver to free. Yeah yeah all right come on so he could get him in round eight rather boyd very very very effective wide receiver. He's julian element. I've been saying that for months and months okay. Those are two. Bold predictions will have more later on in the show. It's now time for our raising. The bar segment presented by sonos. We're looking at players. Who have the potential to raise their game to the next level. If you wanna tie this into more bold predictions you certainly may but we're looking for players who can raise the bar who can raise their game to the next level chris. Dave let you guys has sitting next to each other in the fort lauderdale studio so it's true. Fine you guys can figure out who wants to go first. Here wants to raise the bar. What do you think purposes. I think you should go. I know i wanna watch rock paper scissors. Are you bad rock paper scissors. Because i'm going scissors. I'm going i'm good because just go. Paper says go. oh see. I went scissors the second time i went paper. I psyched them out. He gets paper. I this has been seen studies on this uglier more likely to go rock than any of the other ones because it comes first in the order the fun fact also you if you're lazy because when you do you're already in iraq road you don't have to extend fingers or anything that might break a sweat rock mode. Yeah i've always iraq right chris. Rock who do you got so we're looking for players. Were going to take their game to the next level. And i'm am going to start with a guy who i believe will be the starting quarterback for the miami dolphins in week. One too i. I i know the the whole like. There's a lot of smoke around the deshaun watson trade rumors. Whatever may happen. From that. I think if to enjoy is the starter for the dolphins this season. I think that offense is on the verge of exploding. I think they could be extremely good. I think we've sort of forgotten a little bit that before. The hip injury to a ton of a low was every bit the prospect. Joe borough if borough was one it was only by a little bit on of loa. He didn't look great last season but he did. He wasn't a disaster. He wasn't jared goff as a rookie. You know and. I love the weapons that they've put around him. They've got four receivers in will fall or jalen wattle. Devante parker mike sickie. Who can all make plays down the field. They're all you know fast. For their positions. Three of the four have good size. Joan waddles a little undersized but he is such a dynamic playmaker with the ball in his hands him and will fuller can both break short pass for a long gain or make plays down the field. I just think this offense is set up for tango by low to just explode. I think he is a potential top twelve fantasy quarterback so people love drafting fields and lands. Do you think that tag talk of. Loa is also in that group different kinds of players. I think he'll be much better as a pass through than either of those guys but he's not going to be the rusher but i have him ranked as my qb fifteen. And if i'm waiting And i'm not drafting. Justin fields for upside well actually fields and tons of actually wouldn't be a bad combination but yeah i absolutely think. He's one of the breakout quarterbacks. I'm i'm writing my breakouts calling tonight and you'll definitely be on there. He's made very few mistakes. This preseason and you go back and you think about what makes a breakout quarterback. It's getting better pass protection from the offensive line. I think he'll get that it's bhai getting a better adjusted completion rate to intermediate throws. He's absolutely going to be better at that with all the receivers that they've added to the offense those are two factors that i think are very much in its favorite and run for a few touch as a pretty. He's willing to do that. So i'm encouraged by that and i. I don't think it's recommended to wait until the late round. Get fields in two as your quarterbacks. I just feel like there's enough quarterbacks you can do it but i just feel like you don't have to only one problem with that only one problem not well. There's more than one two opens with the patriots. That's it that's the rough you're going to want to necessarily start to. And we wanted to. Bill gilmour week to hey gilmore all right so listen. Dave already gave tyler boy. We'll consider that his player who can take his game to the next level so talk about low really getting. You don't wanna hear about gerald everett our star you lost rockers i did. Let's do our news and notes here. Irv smith is likely out for the season. So give me your thoughts on how this affects every well. Let's talk about the vikings passing game here and is it a boost for jefferson. Is it a boost for theon. Do care about conklin herndon. Does cousins winner loser or is he unaffected. He's not a winner but Yeah give me your thoughts dave. You can start on irv smith being most likely for the season if not this full season most of it all right so i'll tell you what i think. It means for the vikings. I think it means we'll see more concentrated targets for jefferson and adams feeling. I think it'll obviously helped. Alvin cook as well. We were talking before the show today about dede westbrook. Maybe being that third receiver for minnesota. I think you should keep an eye on tyler cochran. There were four games last year. Remember when kyle rudolph was out and there were there was irv smith. And we're all excited about smith but tyler kaku and played a lot to two of the games. He had seventy percent of the snaps he actually had one more target than irv smith in those games. It two touchdowns in earth smith in those games and fewer yardage in those games but he was still involved in the offense. He knows what he's doing out there. He's ready to go for week one. He's not going to have to learn a new playbook and get adjusted to a new quarterback like chris hardens going to do you could turn cochran in certainly entitled premium leagues. If there's somebody on your bench you don't want anymore But i like gerald ever as someone that you can go to off the waiver wire and pick up. He's available in two thirds of cbs. Sports leagues right. Now you can use him to replace Irv smith coconut is also out there. That's a guy who's available in almost eighty percent of cbs. Sports leagues so a couple of times that you might be able to find that. Have some upside to help you replace irv smith in that offense. You know chris. I think when i share the same fears for adam phelan. He has fifty seven or fewer yards in thirteen of his last. Twenty one games technically. It's sixteen of his last twenty fifteen of his last twenty four something like that but six twenty four. I didn't even include the last three games of twenty thousand nine. He was playing hurt. So but fifty fifty seven or fewer yards and thirteen of his last. Twenty one healthy games he's touchdown or bus basically. He really saw big decrease in targets in the second half of the season and aydin draft any atom phelan. You probably didn't either. I'm not so sure. I feel the same way. I do. Think this changes things for him actually did draft feeling in a in a league. Recently i think it was the one we did on to actually the the salary cap draft we did yesterday. I might have gotten feeling in that. One I i think he's going to produce a good tight end. I mean i think we're talking about a thirty one year old. Who's clearly in decline. We've seen that over the last couple of seasons but you know he'll still be a factor in the red zone. He still going to get one hundred ten plus targets. At least so i think this is probably good news for him but he's still like a fringe wide receiver to for me and real quick is any drop for cousins. No i don't think our smith was gonna play a big enough role that that that's going to change things i do. Wanna share glowing. Praise from meigs zimmer. On new vikings tight end chris Herndon quotes the. He was a guy that was kind of pretty good in most areas. which personally. that's what i'm aiming for in all parts of my life. If i boss i i'd be happy if my boss said that about me but you know i mean. That's much more praise than i ever gotten. School released right. Dave you said something last night or tuesday night on our livestream about tony jones. Not necessarily being a true handcuffed to to alvin kamara that he wouldn't have the role that we've seen formal tavis. Murray you want to just reiterate that yeah it sounds like because latavius made the team. He might be the better. Backup to alvin kamara. Something were to happen and jones would just remain as like a running back. That could give them a jolt eight to ten times a game. Maybe a little bit less than that even but it doesn't sound like there's a path for jones to be in that latavius role were. Maybe he's getting the previous latavius role where he's getting ten plus carries a game. I've kind of come to the conclusion that Latavius is still liked by this coaching staff. And he doesn't play special teams. So what's he there for. It would be to be the backup to alvin kamara. So i've i've cooled it on tony jones which sucks because i think he's really a talented running back and we're always looking for late round running backs he's one. That's now like lately. Round running. But i do wanna see you know. They're still what ten days until the season starts. I do want to see if may be. They davis mary. If they're waiting for some. I would love to make an offer because all through camp. It really did seem like tony jones. You kind of had surpassed latavius moroccan. Did one of the preseason games latavius. Mary was playing in the second half chris. I'm to put the position of the nfl general manager. You are now in power one of the three two teams. I'm going to offer you a thirty one year. Old running back. What are you gonna give me for seventh round pick. Yeah well. I'm as i'm pretending to be sean. Payton this guy knows. My offense is done a good job in the past. I don't need a conditional seventh round pick. I don't need to save on cap space that much. i'll just keep latavius. Murray it's fair. Okay thank you sean. Meanwhile new orleans week one game against green bay will be in jacksonville because of the hurricanes. So they'll be playing week one in jacksonville against the green bay. Packers denver plans on waving royce. Freeman running back royce freeman. Evan ingram could end up on short term. ar which is only three weeks but his status for week. One very much in doubt. Kenny golladay though training in the right direction pittsburgh running back. Anthony mcfarland could go on. I r that again would be minimum. Three weeks is does anybody ever handcuff nausea harris. He was the handcuff or he is. So you know if if it's not him i'm not sure who'd be. They waved jalen samuels right right. They saw benny stellan gala. Blah's yeah and cal. It's actually a good thing if you've got nausea harrison. You didn't handcuff him because you probably didn't feel like he needed to now you can go and pick up mcfarland off waivers. If he's there stash. And i are going to be there for a little while. Okay markey's brown and sammy. Watkins practiced good news there. Jalen rashard for the raiders. He's expected to be placed on short-term. Ira according to the athletic and then just this last thing here and people have asked questions about vaccinated versus unvaccinated. In the how long they're gonna be out so this i'm just reading verbatim from espn vaccinated. Players are tested weekly. Those who test positive are required to be out for ten days or this is important. Kim return sooner once they receive to negative tests separated by twenty four hours and vaccinated. Players cannot be identified as high risk context contacts but contacts. But if they are exposed to someone who test positive they must wear a mask inside. The facility must test daily for five days after the day of exposure unvaccinated player daily. Those who test positive must miss ten days. And then there's a three day return to play protocol. Unvaccinated players designated designated as high risk close contacts must test immediately. If they test negative they still must miss five days. So if you are a close contact with someone with covert and you're vaccinated as long as you're negative. All you have to do is wear a mask if you're unvaccinated you have to miss five days no matter what so. That's that's a big meal happens after tuesday. They're out that we they're out in less monday night football but yes so right because they missed out so that's a big deal and vaccinated players can come back sooner. You guys do with that information what you will thaipusam. Rapid fire segments here allowed content from the listeners. Let's hit it unreliable rod this guy you can never count over lamar jackson. Ceiling would make him. Qb blank this year. His floored would make him qb blank this year. One for the ceiling. He could be the best quarterback and fantasy and eleven is the floor was going to say one in twelve. Oh that's a lower floor than i that i anticipated last year. He was close that he was nine. Or ten right. So little worsening beavis mvp level and circa twenty nineteen all right from be. that's all it is be saquon. Barkley will receive twenty plus touches in blank games this year eight might be too high. Yeah i was going to say six combination of him not quite being healthy enough to the coaching staffs liking and part of it being the coaching staff. Just not wanting to rush them out there for a ton of plays yeah. The answer should be seventeen. the answer should be eighteen. That's a lotta again. Every single game two thousand eighteen. Wow giants are going. Yeah right. Dave i love it roble now. I mean the problem with this question is the games four or five games. This year with the giants are winning by so much that they take berkeley out true. All right jeff bates says i should draft a qb blank rounds higher in a ten team league versus a twelve team leaguer deeper zero. I was going to say negative to you. Think later the a. Yeah because it's all about gaining an edge in a smaller league the shallower your league is the more star power you need to have and there are. I think we all agree at least ten quarterbacks who we think have legitimate number one. Qb upside or in that range and so it's going to be so easy to find either a late round quarterback who's very good or someone on waivers. There's the flip side of that. Which is if you're looking for difference makers and attend team league. Why not get a difference. Makes your quarterback heath has talked about it before where you're kinda just raising the minimum for what you would want to get from a quarterback in a regular twelve team league that looks like twenty two points per game maybe now that becomes closer to twenty four twenty five points per game. But i'm still not interested in for example taking a home in round two in in a ten team league. I would still no later than i mean no earlier than late round. Three for me on mahomes So i i really. I don't see myself changing my strategy. That much on quarterback okay tied down three ver. I might I mean sorry. Round three just repeating with davidson rapid fire from dave canal with the six pick of twelve teams in the draft in bowl p. p. r. I should take blink. Well he's got a unique structure to his team. He sort of does but inflex. It's it's like a two running back to its. Yes find one running back one receiver three flex. Who would you take sixth overall. Pbr running back kelsey. If he's there adams he's there. Dave what's running back six. If zeke's there that would be amazing Aaron jones would be next man up. all right. this is from dave. Coon blank is the lowest ranked running back. I'd be content with as rb one a great question and this is an exercise that everybody should do before they go into their fantasy drafts. Assuming you haven't already mind would be miles gaskin rb eighteen in my rankings. That range sounds about right. Yeah some people see miles gaskin. They'll throw up in their shoes. Yeah i mean it all comes down to what you're comfortable with. I think my comfort level might actually be a little bit lower but yeah. Rb twenty. Adam can you ask the questions faster. This is a rapid fire segment. If you ever throw him my shoes. I'll be very mad at you from nevin. I'm going to trade blank. After the first blank weeks of the season. I'm going to trade two or four blank after the first blank weeks of the season That's that's a time trying to think about the players that i've named is like super hot. Start guys. I'm going to trade sony michelle. I bet. He has some big games early on and everyone will view him as a number two. Fancy running back. And i will sell high on sony michelle. And if i'm wrong on that that i will sell high on daryl henderson for the exact same reason i am going to trade four cincinnati bengals after week three as they start with minnesota chicago and pittsburgh after that will be jacksonville. Green bay detroit baltimore and the jets. So i will trade for some cincinnati bengals after week three and i also trade jameis winston immediately and a to qb league. I will trade baker mayfield and jarvis landry after the first two weeks. I'm gonna give this one to chris. I since. Chris is the only one who's going to get it. I had to look it up from john. Jay douglas fantasy football cedric. Mullins will be blank. I move that is i know who cedric mullins. Dale only. he's on my team. He's on your team. Wow baby mullins is having an year for baltimore. Who do you think found him for. Our team is now is jamie. It's gotta be someone who's been around for a little while and hasn't been good but who's about to have a huge season which. I wanna say marquez. Calloway and only entering his second year. But that's that's the one i came to mind. He's only had the one year. But i think he could be that guy. I think you need somebody a little bit older than that. Who could who could fill that role. Williams was mike. Williams is a very nice answer. I would like to steal that answer. But i will not seal that answer. I've talked about marvin jones looking the preseason. He's thirty one years old no way. It doesn't fit visible prediction. But maybe he'll be a top twenty four receiver only the top twenty nine receiver on a per game basis in. I know that's why it doesn't fit. He's not cedric balance. Plus he he. He's not a nobody. Yeah you're looking for a literal literal. Nobody who becomes a somebody. Yeah sure could be meco hartman. I don't know if he's a literal nobody. It could be blake. Darwin who you know. I think dalton schultz parole and performance confirmed are reasons for being excited about blake. Darwin if he's going to be the tight end one going back to a name. I said earlier in the show. Gerald evren okay. I like that one. I last one from broccoli rob very funny. Blank is the quarterback from eight to twelve and adp draft most often gray question again. I've gotten a lot of jalen hurts. Because he's not the most popular guy in fantasy drafts and he's got tons of upside. That's that's probably the right answer. That's my guy. I don't think there's one right answer though because you could absolutely make a case for anybody that's ranked in anybody's eight to twelve except for like two sorry. No no i mean jalen hurts is the one. I'm drafting off. Oh i see no yup me too. That's interesting that can't be the answer for all of us. adam. I swear overlapping leaks. I haven't been like three or four leagues. I don't think i'm saying how many qb omen that one with you okay. Anyway that's it for fill in the blank will do some rank the all right. Dave rank these three players coming up next. I want you to kind of think about how that's gonna work. Chris can explain to you as i explain the greatness of the sonos arc to our listeners. I've told you about how great it sounds. I haven't really told you all that much about how. It looks wondering. Is this some big clunky speaker. That's not gonna look right in my living room. That's absolutely not the case It actually looks really good. I mean for me. It fits perfectly on my tv stand right in front of the tv. It looks looks great. Looks nice a nice piece of furniture basically and it looks kind of state of the art to look sleek. So that's not something you have to worry about. Are you worried about setting it up. Don't be worried about setting it up. I'm not handy at all took me. I don't remember five ten minutes at most to set this thing up. You just download the app. You connect it. If you download an app you can set up the sonos arc. So now that we've gotten those two things out of the way you're just going to be blown away by it. I mean the first time. I listened to it. I was like whoa. This is this is completely different. This is a game changer. This sounds so much better. I cannot wait for real football to start. And i can turn those speakers up in immerse myself in the action. Everything sounds great the movies are you know everything under the movies but the music like i said you got all these radio stations. I play spotify on it all the time. And you're just going to absolutely love it the app the app is also really easy to use. I haven't talked about that. But that's where you can go into the settings and put on the different features and those types of things piece of cake so from start to finish. It looks good. It sounds amazing. It's easy to set up. There is no reason why you should not have a sonos arc all right you're depriving yourself of better. Tv watching and music listening go to sonos dot com to learn more sos sonos dot com to learn more rank. These three players jalen wild devante smith antonio brown them by the quality of the offense that they're in so brown waddell smith brown smith waddell for me and i point per reception leagues rank. These three players cd lamb allen robinson robert woods robinson woods lamb. That's my order as well robinson woods. Lamb okay rank fees three players. Chase edmunds daryl. Henderson raheem mostert edmonds henderson. Most i will say edmonds henderson and moster that tuna row. Yeah it's real. All right rank. These three players jude. You was like what's going on there. Okay dave can you hear me now. The plug in my gotcha juju spins schuster. Jomar chase kenny golladay. Juju jomar chase golladay. There's no way this is going to be three in a row. Chris this would be amazing I have chase golladay. Schuster smith schuster chase juju golladay much less confident about two and three then one. Dave won't look at me cursing. Why chase one ahead of Jujubes misuse i'm not a big fan of juju. Repeating what he did last year. I think. I actually think there's a chance he could still get like. Maybe seven or eight touchdowns in the yardage will be the same. I bet his catches go down. I bet it's targets go down. This is the steelers offense. That'll throw a little bit less than last year and i don't view him as a very efficient receiver. I think there's a real chance. The steelers offense takes a big step back this season. I'm i'm very worried about ben rothlisberger. I thought that way as well. And then when i started watching that offensive line in the preseason their last two preseason game specifically i felt a lot better i don't often sublime run up against starters though because i don't think they really were that much definitely not but at least they were who cares at the time is going to be a challenge. Because buffalo's got a bunch of defensive lineman but i it was a not. I saw enough to where i felt. Okay with it. It's more of our office burger for me. I'm just trying to learn a new ish offense for the first time in a decade plus playing under center more something he hasn't done really in the last five or six years at all. I just i think things could look really really bad for him. And frankly i thought he was washed up last season. Alright bold prediction steelers. Top-five offense that is bold bud bowl well they have the pieces they just have to the line they have the they have the skill position players. Yes to do it. They have they have the the probably less important parts. I would say yeah innocence. Okay okay rank. These three players russell wilson just in herbert and aaron rodgers. And no we're not going to agree on this. You just did the way you listen to them. As the way i would rank them. I would put rogers head of herbert and ahead of rustu. Know russell number okay. So we were closed. At least we had rust one rank. These three players. Aaron rodgers jalen hurts. Tom brady brady is going to be number one for me for sure. I would put rogers one spot ahead of. It's just as him being a little safer than hurts. Rogers hurts brady. Brady on that one. Yeah that's not a knock on tom brady. They're all top nine quarterbacks for me i just i the the the shying away from aaron rodgers thing sort of sort of confuses me i know. He's not going to repeat what he did last season. But we are talking about arguably the most efficient quarterback in nfl. History he's still got his number. One weapon markaz valda scheduling has actually had a very good camp. People are really raving about him. You can't say that mark was vowed least. You can't say that that quickly after you say his number one weapon you have to pause. And he's sorry. Yes yes yes his number one weapon per m dash devante at a and markaz valdas. Gambling has had a good. You're not worried about the offensive line at least to begin year. I'm not real nice rogers. i don't. I just don't think that's going to be that big of a concern. Okay are you in. You're not worried about the schedule. I don't really worry about schedule at all. And it's a lot of it just comes down to like if aaron rodgers is aaron rodgers. It doesn't really matter all that much. We basically have that weird to season span between the end of the mike mccarthy era and the first year of the my leflore era and other than that. He's been the best quarterback lot of top five finishes amazing right. He just isn't gonna throw nearly as much as brady's obviously not gonna run nearly as much as hurts Yes so you're going to be tougher. I know chris. We'll look at the schedules. But i will. Nfc west afc north tougher schedule. Minnesota's tougher. yeah. I was surprised that brady was not i in this group to be honest with you. also chris said rogers hurts brady which sounds a little messed up because i thought you should not do that. Okay moving on. let's see. yeah we're out of ranking. Hey david great. Ahmed segment thank you. Thank you really. Wasn't that hard of a game. After all and i think we should continue playing it as we move along in the season and in the next will actually listening listening to this on thursday. But i have a lot of these for the wednesday night draft with on that will be throwing out at our industry analysts times four to finish our bowl predictions. All right chris. You can give one then dave and chris than dave. We'll go like that. Go ahead chris. What's your justin fields. Bold prediction justin field will be top ten quarterback. I'm getting real like tom. Savage vibes from andy dalton being named the starter. Where like we were going to name him. The starter and we're going to be stubborn and not go back on it. But it wouldn't surprise me. Justin fields as in at quarterback for the bears at halftime in week. One like or. If not i mean. It's the rams. It's a really tough match. Andy dalton could very well struggle in which case. I just don't think it's going to be very long until justin feels as the starter. And i think once the starter. He's a top ten guy or at least i think he's really close. I think he could be similar. What jalen hurts was last season. Maybe less running but better passing. I think you know from what i've seen from him in college. Obviously you know a pretty historically productive player and then what we saw in the preseason where he looked every bit apart. It looked like cam newton. Actually i know it. Maybe it's just. They were both wearing number one. But i just think the the. The upside for field is elite fantasy quarterback and it's easier for a running quarterback to get to that level as a rookie. Justin her aside. Yeah well right. I wanna talk about this year. Cam newton is. I can't remember you guys scrape from wrong. I don't think we've had a better rookie quarterback in recent years the last decade than cam. He was top five per game. He had fourteen rushing touchdowns that was back in two thousand eleven. The other ones that come to mind that were good. We're andrew luck in two thousand twelve. He was qb eight in four point. Qb eleven in six point. This is per game. Everything i give his per game. Justin her yeah he did. Justin herbert was qb. Nine per game. Joe joe borough seventeenth game cuyler. Murray rush for five hundred forty four yards. He was qb. Twelve and four point qb. Fourteen in six point per game baker mayfield had a good rookie season. Qb eighteen per game and four point you twenty per game and six point so jalen hurts had four games. Call a three and a half. He had one mega game and that was his only game with more than twenty fantasy points and six point passing touchdown leaks. I don't. I don't know that i see the potential for fields but i would push back on one thing you said chris goes up everybody's raving about preseason. I just there was a lot of good but it just seems like with all these quarterbacks were because we like them because they're young. We overlook the bad place but there were a lot all of them had bad moments. So there are going to be. Some of those are going to be lumps. And my my point is cam. Newton's the only quarterback the only rookie quarterback that i can find in the last ten years who's finished higher than qb eight in four point per passing stuff all the qb nine six point on a per game basis. Lamar jackson probably got there. And i think he did. You know what. I can look that up for you because that was what twenty nine hundred nineteen his rookie year. One okay so i will go back to my two thousand nine hundred ninety. Look at look at the whole point of a bold prediction is there are lots of reasons why it can't happen. You know. we're talking about like ninety. Fifth percentile outcome or ninetieth percentile outcome. Something like that but the point for me is to just highlight. How high the upside is. I think for justin fields if he does click you know he's got a legitimate alpha number one wide receiver. He's got what should be a pretty good rushing game especially if he's in there you know helping david montgomery's efficiency with his own rushing ability which i think is an under disgusting. David montgomery And we all think moonies a breakout. Can't it so. I think it's a good situation for him to land in and frankly i thought he should have been number two pick so yeah. There's a bit of confirmation bias in his preseason play but i you know i'll i'll confirm my bias us occasionally. It's certainly not a bad prediction. But because people are spending draft picks on lance and fields. I just think it's worth pointing out that. Even the mobile quarterbacks like jalen hurts and lamar jackson. Lamar jackson was only on pace for twenty touchdowns in his starting. Eleven passing nine rushing with seven interceptions. I don't know how many fumbles he was on pace for. Two thousand five hundred forty six passing yards but almost thirteen hundred rushing yards. I don't know where he would have been. Oh yeah per per game. I had him as qb. Sixteen and four point qb. Twenty two. In in six point. I could be a little off on those numbers. But you know. I think feels have great rushing numbers. I don't think he's going to have great passing numbers Just wanna bring this up. Because people are spending these picks and you're going to use a bench spot on fields and definitely on lance for a while we sh- they might than everybody but it's rare that a rookie quarterback really blows us away. Yeah i'm lower on lands. I'm less much less likely to draft him. I don't know if i've drafted him at all outside of two. Qb leagues so. I thought of the rookie quarterback's you actually might have looked the worst in the preseason. There were really high highs. But they're really low lows for trae lance. I don't think he's quite ready yet. All right dave your first bowl prediction your second one. Actually the first one was about ty boyd asking you where he's from jerry. Judy was the name you gave me. And the bold prediction assigned was that bold prediction. Jerry judy has a middle name. That also starts with the letter. J jackson jerry jackson. Judy that's correct. Well done. But that's not a prediction. That's a fact here's a prediction jerry. Judy will not finish as top. Twelve fantasy receiver. He will finish as topped fantasy. Receiver will make that second year. Jump he will have it with teddy bridgewater. everybody complains. We'll tell you bridgewater's never really had a bunch of greed receivers to work with well. Now he does he did last year. We're talking about. I think you kind of know how. I feel about dj more. I don't know if he's necessarily a complete receiver. Rob anderson surly. Dj moore's good and certainly robbie anderson's good. I think jerry. Judy is a better town than both of them. And i think he's a better town than portland sutton. And i think we're gonna see that connection that these guys have and it's been demonstrated that they've been working out this off season and they've got it together in the preseason. There's been timing judaism mazing route runner. You'll have more on target throws this year than he will. Last year terry bridge will teddy bridgewater had at least eighty percent of his throws on target each of the last year's part of it's because he's throwing shore. Yeah but i think that he can actually be spread his wings a little bit. Throw a little bit further downfield. Because he'll have the confidence and jury judy going to pluck those balls. I really do think he's got a chance to finish a number one fantasy receiver and i don't have to rank. I've already got them right. Freddie i i've already got him a top fifty overall player. Happy to take them anytime. Between fiftieth and sixtieth overall and that's still higher than what is. Adp is but. I really do believe that jerry. Judy takes a massive step this season. Yeah i on our second football magazine today. And i had jerry. Judy finishes top twelve as my bold prediction in the magazine. Excellent but it was funny. He said this on twitter the other day he wanted to be the jerry judah guy and then he saw high i have him ranked and then he saw you have him ranked so neither. He's nor i get to the judy guys i will. I will happily accept. Being the jury. Duty guy and i will take full responsibility. If he doesn't have a great year if he starts dropping passes all over the place. Like i would drop pass if i were in. Nfl receiver if he does that. Then it's going to be ugly for a lot of my fantasy teams bad on elite talent and skills that he would last season. I think i think really playmaking with the ball in his hands and the ability to make plays down the field. That's the combination that makes aj brown elite if the combination that makes you know amari cooper very good like. That's that's what you're looking for right. Yeah i think the thing that would hold first of all not drafting. Be a top twelve players and says absolutely nothing to do with drafting jerry. Judy but if he's going to be top twelve then just every wide receiver who finished top twelve last year except for the android hopkins was on a team that through least thirty one i think touchdown passes so that. Just got to keep that in. Mind bridgewater if jerry judy finishes top twelve bridgewater is probably going to be top. Fifteen would be my guess. Because i think he's going to have to really get those touchdown. Numbers up okay. Maybe judy will help him. With that. And austin heckler is your last bowl prediction subject. Chris what he got on austin actor you. I don't know if this is actually a bold prediction but often will lead all running backs with in catches and yards. receiving at least and maybe receiving touchdown. Let's not forget. He had eight receiving touchdowns two years ago. I think based on what we've seen from you know the saints offense. Obviously in the past with alvin kamara mike lombardi. Not michael joe lombardi. Right yes joe. Lombardi's lombardi's a front office guy who's kind of like a analyst joe lombardi's installing mostly the saints offense. That's why he's talked about. We've seen alvin kamara. Great in that offense album kamara obviously great player. It's not just because the offense but nadler might be the best receiving running back at least since we started tracking targets. He's the most efficient receiving running back since nineteen ninety-one and i think it's by like more than three quarters of a guard over number two with at least two hundred and fifty one targets. He's an elite elite receiving running back. I think that often still going to be very good. I still think they're going to have to rely on him very heavily. Perhaps even more heavily than last season. Because i don't think jared cook and donna parham are going to just replace the ninety three targets that are that are under henry. Lassie's you you don't probably not no okay and do agree now. Is he going to get the goal line work. That's the question. No no he's not But i still think he get to eight to ten touchdowns and if he does that while catching ninety five passes. He's going to be a top six running back or very close. Okay and dave his make the prediction. What the bold prediction is going to be. That's why i already did patriots. Defense here's dave prediction about the patriots offense. The patriots offense. We'll finish somewhere between fourteen and twenty third and scoring. Now that is not what the bold prediction it's like. This was my way in three different bold predictions into walgreens bold prediction comment so with mack jones. Now the unquestioned starter in new england. No cam newton there. We're gonna have damian. Harris finishes top fifteen running back in non pr. Top twenty npr. Jacoby myers we'll finish a top twenty four receiver. Pr top thirty and nine p pr. and john. smith will finish as a top seven fantasy tight end regardless of format. I'm impressed with mack jones. He had three off. Target throws out a fifty two during the preseason. I think he's he's throwing it right on the money to his guys. Whether it's short passes long passes one of the things that he kind of annoyed me with at alabama was that he would overlook short throws and take long throws he did it in the preseason. He's going to continue to do that clearly. The patriots are fine with it and he was connecting and on target with those throws. I think that will continue on. And i think john who is a perfect person for those intermediate and longer throws because he's a mismatch at tight end. I know we haven't seen much of him but he's a good speedy type of tight and he's got not necessarily like breaks these not competence. But he's got good speed and he's going to be a match up nightmare for teams to met to deal with jacoby myers in the slot. I think he's been proven now at this point there's a good route runner. And he's got good hands. He got a good target show last year at the gets when this year and damian harris is going to be that lea running back for the patriots and i know that ramadi stevenson look good in the preseason. But he's a rookie. He won't necessarily get a ton of time. We'll get a little bit. I think harris leads the way. I think he's got a shot to get you close to fifteen hundred yards this year. Maybe six seven touchdowns on top of it. Good good season for damian harris. That's the only one. I'm not with you on his damian harris my bold prediction that i'm actually ranking is damian harris harris's rb thirty for me i know i'm way lower than him on then pretty much anyone on him but for me it comes down to one. He's going to be less efficient. A runner which i think goes without saying. He's not gonna have cam. Newton opening up a rotten. Not sure that's going to be. The early agree with that either. Five yards per carry. Lassie's won't be much worse than that. I'm going to say four point eight bam. I'm going to ten percent worse. So four point five five would be well. I don't think that's their offensive. Line is going to be there. That's another factor. Yeah that's maybe he's leo comes down to one. You're betting on bill ballot. Check running backs which is historically a poor bet. That is true. And i just don't think this is going to be a great offense. I think it could be like eighteenth in scoring and there'll be plenty of goal. Line attention he should get the most of them and he should be the lead back. But i don't see him having any kind of passing game role. That's that's really. The big thing had five catches and ten games last season. He could be a fifteen catch guy. In which case you need thirteen hundred rushing yards and ten touchdowns for him to be a top twenty gumbel. Gumbel should have done that. Because i think chris was making an important point. I know i do that. I'm not paying attention to what you're saying because you had some really good point. Listen james white or david harrison pr. Chris harris retired. But i'm more much more likely to draft james. I bet your gap between those two is pretty small. It's seven spots. Yeah wow yeah. I can't do that. I i've been a fan of hairstyle. He can't catch the ball just a matter of whether or not he'll be able to to accrue the mouth targets that we'd like to see i just don't think he'll get there but i think he's a good runner. I think that offensive line's great. I think their schedule is great. And i think damian harris really has a chance of having one of those figures. And i think budget kind of painted himself into a corner. 'cause you look at the running back that they had who's i it's not like he's got rex burkhead to go in and take sony michelle off the field like he's had in the past is really gonna put reminders stevenson in a role if damon harris starts to struggle a little bit or if he fumbles even if harris fumble. I don't think he's going to the bench for a reminder stevenson. Stevenson fumbled the preseason. The the one thing i would add harris has had a lot of trouble staying healthy in the nfl that's true. He had to injuries in pre season in two thousand nineteen obviously barely played in the regular season. Last season broke his pinky at the end of preseason. I think and then had a pretty serious ankle sprain a grade. Three ankle sprain the cost in the final three games of the season so his season was book ended by that. I'm there's injury risk on top. Of what i think is relatively low ceiling. That's why i'm low on on harris. But i know i'm the odd man out there now. Okay we're gonna finish the show with team named tuesday on a thursday. We have not done this at all. So i ask for team names. Ninety percent of them were perverted. You six six people. So i took the non perverted ones too fast to a furious. Nashi by nature. James eisenberg and this actually came with a creepy photoshop of the two of them combined really. Yeah it was really weird. The real slim. Brady sure this one doesn't work hot shuba time machine for those though those of you don't know it's it's chubu hubbard but we have one. That does work a little later. Catch me if you can you. You can sure sure. That's a good one who works for young way. Cool runnings sure okay. Guy liked that one. Yeah country roads take mahomes excellent trae lance lance refrigeration. Just last refrigeration. That's all you need. Lance refrigeration is amazing. You gotta say the full one though. Introduces himself every time. I guess but if you're just looking at someone's team name and you see lancer for trail answer is iranian quick last one. This one does work hot tub time machine. I think we've had that before. That's that works. Thank you non perverts. For your team named tuesday on thursday submissions and Thanks today of an address for hanging out here on this episode of fantasy football today. This rapid fire episode covered a lot of stuff. We appreciate it with tomorrow. We got a mock draft to help you get ready for a big weekend of drafting see baltic.

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New Waiver Wire Order, Ravens-Steelers Recap (12/03 Fantasy Football Podcast)

Fantasy Football Today Podcast

05:50 min | 11 months ago

New Waiver Wire Order, Ravens-Steelers Recap (12/03 Fantasy Football Podcast)

"Recapping the pittsburgh baltimore game giving an update on the waiver. Wire if you still have time to make some changes this is fantasy football today and five. Let's get started. Dave richardneer good evening hearing this night. We're going to publish this a little bit early. Just in case you still have time to change your waiver. Wire or dave no pleasantries. I'm sure you're doing great. Let's talk about pittsburgh and baltimore here. what we were takeaways from five point win by this teams was not a five star game really frustrating rating. How slow it took the steelers or how slow the steelers were to get going and so many drops in the game for crying out loud. I've got claypool ebron with to juju. with one. uncharacteristic rothlisberger should have had a bigger game. Benny snell was okay. I guess ninety three total yards. I think it's just okay and then for the ravens. Look they were shorthanded. Begin with rg. Three got hurt trace. Mcsorley came in. Who knew it would take trace mcsorley to get marquees brown going on the deep ball. That was a crazy play. I wouldn't count on that. I don't think you can get anything out of the ravens side of this Did like the effort from their defense. Steelers should bounce back and play bigger against washington in week. Thirteen all right so we're publishing this early because we want people to have a chance to make some changes to their waiver wire order if necessary here and maybe benny snell moves up or down. We don't know about james conner for next week. But snell has forty eight percent roster. He had almost all of the carries for the steelers. And markey's brown is seventy two percent roster. He had a pretty lucky catch. And run for a touchdown and how lucky was but not something. Reliant is david. let's get your new waiver. Wire order as josh jacobs missed practice a to a might be back this week. Which means that ryan fitzpatrick probably hands off. You shouldn't go after him if you do. Don't make them a high priority. If you are streaming the quarterback position i do think devante booker is worth prioritizing at this point. I know that there's talk. That josh jacobs should play optimistic. He didn't practice on wednesday. A this isn't a better safe than sorry. This is a risk thing. But i think that there is a chance that even if jacobs plays he won't be on a hundred percent and it's a great matchup against the jets. So booker is someone that. I go after i smell would be somebody that i go after although i would agree that if james conner is back next week snell's meaningless. Deebo samuel obviously should be somebody he's the safest guy go and pick up. If you can find him off the waiver wire and i think frank gore is probably the next best guy if you need a running back in week thirteen as a matter of fact if you need a running back and you don't want chance fab dollars or waiver priority on booker on snell because they could fall out not be the lead guy you know frank gore will be and should be at least decent as a number two fantasy running back and we talked about this on the pot earlier this week. Cam akers fantastic stash. Your team is headed to the playoffs. And cam akers on your waiver. Wire go get him. Pick them up but under bench. See what happens. I do think he does have a chance to be a difference maker for your fantasy team. What about kyle. Rudolph irv smith did not practice but adam ceiling is expected back. I think rudolph is okay. I had a tough time in a couple of weeks zach. Ertz was on the waiver. Wire ch- choosing between him and root off. And i went with ertz just thinking okay. If he's healthy he'll be back in the swing of things and we know that tight. End your big part of what. Philadelphia's offense is now. But i don't mind going after kyle rudolph if you need a tight end who you know is going to play. And there's another sleeper out there. Tyler effort who had a touchdown he released about two touchdowns last week. Decent matchup in week number. Thirteen don't have to spend a lot of fat form. A lot of people are looking for him. But i think he's got a chance to come through again as they touched on her bus tight. End if you're desperate if you need a tight and you can put them last on your priority at that position you know. The texans have played eleven games and in ten of them to pass catchers heavy. They're caught a touchdown or had ninety yards. So there's a vacancy there so keep an eye on qt. I know he's available. Almost every league jordan akins could be another one who steps. Let me let me give you one more isaiah. Coulter who's a rookie for them. Should get an opportunity to play Obviously in dynasty leagues there's one dynasty in. I'm putting a trying to figure out a five percent to try and get coulter on my bench just to see what happens for the next week or two. Okay dave let me ask you about savant. Myles gaskin what you think. About the dolphins backfield's they get ready for. Cincinnati comment was limited in practice. And hopefully gaskin back this week. I think it's going to be a rotation between the two of them. I would imagine that the coaching staff in miami has more trust in gaskin than med and gaskin has been a little more proven in passing situations and the washington didn't practice so this is a merry go round. Running back for the dolphins could be as many as three heads in that backfield. Include patrick laird but if all three of those guys are healthy i think gaskin is the best one. We could be getting the andre swift back. Darrell babbel's optimistic there. We could. We should be getting jonathan taylor back. We expect him to play and todd. Gurley was limited in practice so we could be getting him back as well and are those three running backs starts if they are playing a swift taylor and todd gurley they starts. I think they all are just by nature of the beast of the position. Gurley is the one. I'd be most scared to start. He'd be a low and number two option swift. I don't care if he's playing the bears or not. I came hicks in practice on wednesday for chicago. And that would make the matchup even better for swift. And and taylor. You've gotta figure against texans could get a lot of work do well with it all right. That's it for fantasy football today in five. Make sure you follow us. Three months on spotify leave us a nice five star of unit good comment and we'll answer your questions on sunday for dave richard. I'm adam as or thanks for listening. We'll talk to you on friday morning. I'm all thrown off with this. Nfl schedule on friday.

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Week 15 Start or Sit! Stafford, Brees, Dolphins and More (12/20 Fantasy Football Podcast)

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06:03 min | 11 months ago

Week 15 Start or Sit! Stafford, Brees, Dolphins and More (12/20 Fantasy Football Podcast)

"Sunday week fifteen. Time to get those line set right now on fantasy football today in five morning. Good luck. let's get it going eat. Cummings is here. I'm adam as this is fantasy football today and five catching you up. On the fantasy news and advice you need to know following stream on spotify and if you left us a question in In the reviews. I have to apologize. Those are not populating so we do not have them. And i am sorry about that but we do have plenty of advice to give. And let's start with some quarterback news. Matthew stafford wants to play today is going to give it a shot. What does that mean for him. And for marvin jones at a good matchup against tennessee. Yeah took more of jones from being a boom bust low in number three wide receiver to a being a boom bust high end number three wide receiver. But he's still a number three wide receiver. That i am more interested in starting that i was as for stafford. I'm probably only using him. In two quarterbacks leagues this is turned into quite a week for quarterback stafford's at number eighteen. Right now for me right behind jalen hurts but guys like mitchell trubisky and drew brees are also all right. So where did you put your. He's going to play. But michael thomas is on. I are out for the rest of the regular season where you putting drew brees right in that same high end. Qb to discussion. But i do have him behind. Mitchell trubisky at the decision that i have to make an a league between those two and ahead of stafford and ahead of hurts currently at fifteen. I believe my quarterback and look at this run. He was on without michael. Thomas drew brees was crushing. It and now he's going to be in a shootout with the chiefs so we like emmanuel sanders quite a bit. Would you consider emmanuel sanders among start. I don't know if i go quite as far as mustard as a low in new york to wide receiver. I'd say unless you have very good options. You're starting emmanuel sanders. Okay but like why. Why not why not be a little more enthused about drew brees. There's just so many quarterbacks and i'm not going to rank like obviously you're not ranking them ahead of josh allen you can't recommend aaron rodgers and you can't rank them ahead of justin herbert and i had derek carr in that thirteen range. Sorry is not gonna move. I wouldn't be very honest. For who've been the head of the car. So like between watson and tannahill and wilson and murray and lamar and mahomes. There's there's just a lot of very good quarterbacks. I have breeze projected for twenty three points. All right that's not a bad. We'll take that. We'll take that and six point for passing touchdown. Lease okay and. Let's talk about the dolphins devante. Parker looks like he's going to play savant. We're getting a lot of questions about Kazuki question well. What are you thinking about the dolphins against the patriots if cities active. I'm probably starting yes. The patriots have been very good against ends there. Mostly good against teams number one options and. I don't think mike kaczynski would be thought of the dolphins number-one option so and he's a tight end. So i'm probably starting to sticky. Parker is right in that. Marvin jones boom bust number three wide receiver rain. She did a pretty good job earlier in the year of either. Getting into the end zone. Getting decent yardage total. So i don't really wanna start parker but i hate it and i would say the running back for the dolphins. I really don't want to start. I don't have a good grip on. What percentage the touches each back will get. Okay would you start. Ezekiel elliott assuming he plays or savant. Akhmed ezekiel elliott. Would you start a san francisco running back as where he most. It's going to play. Or i would start both forty niners over augment. Which one do you prefer wilson. Her mostert. I'm going to stick with remote desert and taken off of the injury report so he should be a full go which still means they're probably sharing but i think most it's the best back in the most likely to break a long run. All right Destroy detroit center frank. Rag now is not going to play. Does that mean you're going to get away from deondraye swift at tennessee. I really can't get away from the andre swift at tennessee. I the tennis player talent. The matchup situation. The fact staffers playing helps the offense a little bit. I'm mostly just going to start the andre swift talk about irv smith and colin. Coward office out jimmy. Graham is questionable. yeah. I think we're expecting that jimmy. Graham is going to play. But jimmy graham played the last couple of weeks and commits had seven targets in each game irv smith and coal commit to of my favorite streamers on the week i've got them both ranked as high in number two low in one. Tight ends I there's not too many traditional starters would start them over there like i'd rather start them. Then aiden hearst. I would rather start them than jonnu. Smith but evan engram. I've in full peop- yard whether starting start those guys and interesting okay. And then i'm going to give you four players. Tell me how you're feeling real quick on them. Terry maclaurin tyler lockett in the same game. Low end number two wide receivers with big time upside. I'm starting them over. The marvin jones devante parker group. David johnson at chicago with duke johnson. Out feeling quite a bit better about david. Johnson against the colts. sorry Just because they have put him back last week they had chopped up the passing work too much. If david duke johnson's out. I feel more confident in a few catches for david johnson. He's a low wind number two running back okay. And then the last guy i had was sony. Michelle with damian harris out. Yes right. Behind leonard fournette. So two very similar guys. Former fantasy starters getting a chance to start miss game high end flexes border line number. Twos right in that You know right. Right behind. Clyde edwards layer in jk dobbins all right. That's gonna do it for fantasy football today and five. Follow us three months on spotify checkout. Cbs sports h. q. Join us on. You know the drill. Tell your friends. Good luck today. We'll talk to you tomorrow.

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Re-Evaluating Rookie QBs Heading Into the Regular Season

Daily Dose Football

40:18 min | Last month

Re-Evaluating Rookie QBs Heading Into the Regular Season

"Welcome to daily dose football. A podcast from the voice of your host. Justin keeping you up to date on all you need to know football bringing you. His hottest takes day in and out delivering the headlines straight in in good faith striving to bring you the best content with the hope that you can become more knowledgeable. This is daily dose football in this is your host. Justin is the second part of the recording about preseason cuts. There will also be some bowl takes in this podcast and we will we evaluate divert quarterback so without further ado enjoyed the podcast one so any other big. Preseason news that you can think of kyle brown gets cut pretty allow that opens up a lot for rogues into brian evert's Hey i think that bryan edwards do for big season. Everyone was saying Big thing this last season. It doesn't exactly happen. But now he's heading into second year and jon gruden especially he's been so high on that guy will they also don't have nothing aguilar as their number who ended up being like the number one receiver still wall of targets but this so many soulmate targets open in that offense and their cars. The ice low thicky. Has i still think like an average quarterback thinks league. I can see him still like putting up good numbers. He's like vision. But yet jon gruden is like he's like comparing the guys like terrell owens randy moss might well. That's too hot but the fact that he's getting as much as he. Can you know for being big physical receiver Shows you that. Jon gruden really likes this guy in the also. They also didn't really actively try to bring anyone in mean. Got jim brown. But they don't need him. Apparently so it goes to show you that. I don't think this henry vikes who's going to be the number one receiver. Brian edwards is the guy that the really high which is why they didn't go ahead and bring anyone in psych specht. Brian edward staff a big year this season and i try to trade him for dynasty while and try to target him late in your draft league. Yeah i think it's a call. I think rose is still going to be the number one there but O'brien edwards is definitely profile. That i really liked last year. And you know. I ended up with just a couple shares is. I felt like you know. He got injured during the combine season. You know he broke. It came out that he had a broken foot during physical. So i kinda soured on him. I'm i'm type of guy that wants to guy breaks a foot kind of tend to stay away from them a little bit because they just you just yeah like you just never know if you're gonna gain from but if he's bouncing back and he's actually playing well and he's a. He's healthy right now than you know. Brian edwards absolutely player. That you know. I'm going to be back on and you know he's got up. You know people right now. They're targeting michael pittman. You know in pittance going gonna cost you a lot of money. You know a lot of dr capital. If you're trying to trade former at this point you know in bryan edwards is probably a you for maybe half that cost in you know you might be all get the same kind of permission. Must really the difference between a guy. Like michael brian edward and quite frankly. I'm adler wallaby how the tape edwards has way less competition always going to have some went along at ten jacob decent volume. I'd actually rather take their cars. My quarterback and i also past campbell or ty hilton into good jazz. One of those guys out has a better season. Michael pittman where. I don't think we are. Best eight congregations radius. I just don't see keelan dolls. Renfro really taken many targets away from edward. He can't really add. Vox conversation name. Wish i guess. He's a bent so even meet has a great season. It's not gonna demand paneth mark targets waller's the one big bold back ending. That's really the one difference but mean these guys. I don't think there's much difference edwards. I like i said. I think the scenario is a lot different. I think pitman's like a better prospect. Because i think he offers more from a speed aspect but like you. I'm really hoping that it says it. Make rugs the the deep guy. I was really hoping with him. Bringing in john brown that it was gonna turn him more into a slant guy. Because i think they'd Henry roads was completely my opinion from what i see the tape i saw from college. He he has a chance to be something very special but if they're just gonna utilize them and try throw deep. I don't think that's necessarily a a an ido situation for rose. I was really hoping that he would get more underneath seven in crate after the catch. But we'll see it'll be it wouldn't shock me if edwards honestly is the is the guy because he he's more of a jump ball guy you know so. Don't be surprised if those roles are actually reverse from what your typical thinking might be his some big news that we didn't touch on yet. How irv smith junior getting injured. You're gonna be out for. The season is going to be out for four to five months and now the went ahead and they traded for chris herndon up the jets. Who by the way. Every like tyler kroft stocks going up i know i've been targeting him in dynasty and then heard in stocks going up reasons. He's the most trending ave now on sleeper for the vikings. What do you think about this chris. Her into the vikings. Do you think he's going to have a big impact on the team with steel in jefferson already there. Now here's thing. Maybe think he gums in week. One and he's gonna get. I mean there hasn't been a viable wide receiver three on the team effort like you know when they had feeling they had what rudolf you know. They didn't have anybody else when they had feeling and they had Jefferson they didn't anything. I don't really see i don't even i wouldn't even at how on earth smith to be honest with you as a prospect. Think aerosmith is very good you know. I think he's a good player but he might be comparable to curse earning. But chris hernan on team. He's had so many chances he had no competition at all over the last couple of years of the jets between having. I don't know whether he has a bad attitude or whatever but he lost job outta sued. He lost his starting job before the train can start so like it keeps spending to It's just something about him over. I know the athletic profiles air. I know he's still young. It could happen. I don't think it happens with this offense and you look at the long-term if say okay. Well he's young but at the end of day irv smith okay. Let's say he misses the whole season. He still back next year. So at beshir looking guy. The now is in a platoon so long term value for her. And it's not there. I don't really care about short-term you know it's it's a luxury habit with tight as i have. I don't have to worry about. Chris hearted on anything. Not targeting. chris herndon anywhere because as the jets fan. I know the turn is not the real deal the fact that they were willing to trim so easily. I think it might be gone. Cut if that intrigued him. Like these terrible ad spend it gets injured. He's never on the field you know availability is like the number one important thing find out. It doesn't matter towns. Josh scored doesn't matter. You know you can't get on the field. It doesn't really matter. So i'm not hired chris Again you're saying that's like a offense it doesn't typically rely on the titans they already have. Dalvin cook their justin jefferson. They're feeling there. Those three guys stay healthy. I don't think that chris hurn is going to get looked too often. But i do wanna touch tyler across the more. Because zack wilson has consistently been targeted tyler. Kroft and i think he got like touchdown to bless and some of these titans i know they're not traditionally known having good tight ends but it can be sneaky. Good sometimes i know that ryan griffen a few years ago. It was like putting up top five tight end numbers and like the last five six weeks of the season. So i mean. Why doesn't wilson c. Don't know that's that's only because they had adam cases are coach. I mean he's such a good. I mean you know that's why he turned griffin into a star. You know yep gotta gotta give it to gaze. Hasn't been able to succeed outside the jets one of the very few situations where you could say that i'll to and they also digest even more of a commitment to talk off cutting kenny lebow. I was kind of disappointed. I kinda like kennydale above. I'm being honest. Yeah the sent them back to the practice squad yet. Been targeting him back. This scots guan. Yes can you believe he was. You know we never have a undrafted tight end. I mean do we know if he could both say most of the time if these tight ends he's back up. These third forcing tight ends if they can't play special teams. They're not gonna make the roster so you're looking at these guys you know if they're not good enough to be on the field alpha weapon right away. They're going to. They're going to get cut or they're going to move to practice squad system those position running backs tight end linebacker diff- it's back like all those players have to be playing special teams because that's not really a skill set that when you're with the offense defense align those guys aren't playing teams -sarily you know what i mean like. You don't need like you need players. Obviously but like you know those players are you need depth at off. It's a line of defense align because you're gonna have so many injuries anyway so you're not worried that much about allah players playing special teams but realistically your tied in running backs you. They're going to be contributing more in in the special teams and they will on actual offense unless there's like made a bunch of major injuries and at point prior to go out and trader or get somebody else off of art. I i'm gonna go. I'm gonna go ahead and make a bowl take because i know last podcast has made some pretty bold takes and i want to say right now. That cd lamb. I know he's incredibly high by think he's one of those guys Redraw and dynasties were more of know not like a popular name especially because he's so far out by A lot of people's minds by releasing cd lamb has really impressive opportunity. Now ahead of him for the cowboys. And i think everybody has as a wide receiver. One already say he's not. Here's what i was gonna say. I think he can end up honestly being a top three receiver. This season If dak prescott stays helped the whole bit. Keep in mind with andy dalton there and him and his first year he already seemed to be like the best cowboys receiver there. He had like nine hundred yards. I can only imagine what adding dak prescott is gonna do. When they're china like throw forty fifty times a game. I could quite frankly. Ccd lamb getting fifteen hundred receiving yards. I again. I think this is one of those guys that might even be worth taking in the second round at this point. I'll see especially for tom out. Redraft on on now it's not necessarily as l. but it's just it's just like i see is a person i'm not gonna have any teams. I was okay with it last year. I'm going to be okay with it again. This year. He just his his costs acquire him. It was just too high since you came into leak. And does i know. I know the sky's the limit form. Just i think people are if you're willing to invest that highly of resources into a wide receiver. I just think it's bad bad business. Honestly like it's not a player like never going to target because there was to me running backs where he was going in last year's class. And so like i didn't have essentially on any team and i'm not going out and paying too i form anymore. You know so so. I'm not going to have and that's okay. Yep just a guy that. I'm thinking housing incredibly high upside similar to Antonio gibson and we were discussing in the last episode where. I think i mean if he ends up being used in the christian mccaffrey tight role. I think he ended up. Having a legitimate of being a top five running back this season the the problem with the lamma lay. He's definitely to me is a lot more interesting in reader Dicey redraft is You know he still guy gallup. he's still got cooper. There is on those guys. are you know. And he has risked with that prescott this year which may be hopefully long-term. That's like necessarily an issue for you. Know what i mean. And one of those guys will be off the roster between cooper in gal probably the next year or so so like if you say lamb. It's like going to be a you know sky's limit. I think it's like two years from now. But like i really. It's the same reason what we talked about with the lashing last week with your bowl. Take with a antonio brown and mike evans and godwin. They just kinda take away from each other as far as the yardage now they might end and they're going to be good enough to play. I mean they're going to be thousand or receivers. You know. I mean all of them. Probably you know maybe a little bit low but you know we. Just they're going to be paying. They're going to be inconsistent from week to week from a guy that i want to be Putting as my wide receiver one. If if i got a guy like wanna put a wide receiver one. I went to recuse Adopt the adams. I want to get a never gonna bench. And if i'd see see. Lambs targets are only like seven or eight at some point in the season. You know and they're all getting seven eight nine you know i'm not gonna really trusting him over guys. That might have a bench for a good match for that reason. I'm kind of out on land. The sheer as far as redrafts. No law that he's like you know going to be top five or so now going into next year i could see that it would if one of the lines but like right now i i can't. I can't make that call. I'm just won't investor receivers at any receivers really where where he's going. So here's a follow question from one of our listeners. So cd lamb or terry maclaurin dynasty. Right now cd lamb. I gotta go see too. I put my money where my mouth is. At this point. I mean lawrence brave but like do. We know the quarterback tackling long-term. Maybe i mean ryan mr inconsistent fitzpatrick if you ask me. He can sling it but he can also lose games. This is a really really could and then really excited about the prospect of callan arrived in Or heineke heineke throwing unbought and this actually. Well yeah heineke can play. But it's not like any of these guys you know if if even if even if let's say fitzpatrick bench know the football team have good enough defense alone. We're like could like would jeopardize the entire draft next season like where they could finish like end up drafting like ten even if their quarterback does Goodly i don't see them getting a top five pick in next year's nfl draft so that being said if the quarterback play isn't good this season there's not necessarily answered the Not necessarily like going to be good next year. Either now again seeing terry corn. He's phenomenal and maybe he gets better with the you know having somebody else like play. It's actually legitimate. Nfl caliber receiver. But they really did not have an nfl caliber receiver on that team outside of a corn. Leisure like you're bringing samuels and he's going to get a khanna touches. I can't keep on telling people how much they should be. Investing in kersee was at his current price right now but you know that's another addition you know what i mean like. We've talked about this today. They bring in dom brown which you could say if somebody wants to say that were to hound yami brown that that's fine. You know we probably are at this point but like the brown is a better prospect. Mcchord was coming in and he does all almost exact same stuff as corn. So i you now have three receivers. They're they're actually legitimate. Nfl receivers in my opinion you. Also everybody was the project a gibson to get more catches this year. You know always sure. That logan thomas is going to be completely you know he can start losing targets as how i meant. A thomas was really picking up steam. Third santa last season but we do have another question from one of our listeners. And it's cd. Lamb or jackson jefferson and he sang sounds to me like what the top by receiver take. You take lamb jefferson and redraft and that seems to bolt. While i'll say i right now i don't have c c lan the -sarily as a top five receiver but i'm saying as far as potential upside. I think there's a good chance that he ends up being a top five receiving this class. You know we've always see each year. You know even though it seems bold time injuries can happen. And you know it's a lot of unexpected things. When seasons the season's done and over with last season everyone was like all. You'd be crazy not to think that. Michael thomas is going to be the number one fantasy football receiver last. This season will obviously got injured but even when he came back. Didn't look that good. So i don't think you would have done that even even if he came back. So i'm just saying you know it definitely could happen. Even seems bold right now. I mean i wouldn't be surprised but anyway this this is going to seem a little bit more because i personally think that justin jefferson better receiver than cd lamb. And i think. I think jefferson's like right around that fifth fifth best receiver right now for me in redraft he is like maybe my favorite most favorite dynasty receiver right now and i think he is like a couple of episodes of guy said he was by number one in. I just think the justin jefferson is such a good route runner and last season. He got fourteen hundred receiving yards. And that's like with him kinda str- like struggling the game chemist so Kirk cousins net first week or two but once things got going Really start pop up this continuing this year. Another offense Full off season now. The axiom more time than developed. I think the chemistry's can be through the roof with those two whereas cd lamb and dak prescott. They still don't have as much experience to working together as justin danson kirk cousins. Do so i'm going with justin. Jefferson oversee de lamb the go with just jefferson to to me. It's really. I thought he was better. I thought just jeff. We both thought just jefferson. We both said this many times. We both thought jefferson was a better prospect coming in in city lane. Most people thought lamb was a better prospect. But so we're we're both already going to be a little bit more biased just based on that. But you know if you look at one of the biggest differences to me between to these guys if you're looking at long term project -tory We haven't cd lamb really dominated on the outside yet. You know we we've seen just in jefferson lineup into outer she recites dominate cd lamb. I don't necessarily hesitate to think that he can do it. I think he can't i think he's a very talented player. But we have not seen him perform on the outside like exclusively in route so that you put. Cd lamb and his talent level in a slot he's going to dominate pretty much every time so like worse yes. He looked amazing. I think you really need to people need to pump the brakes little bit just a little bit so we see like because we have not seen it. He's gonna look sp- fantastic when he's going against the number three nicol corner or a linebacker. I mean let's face it. Yeah i mean he's gonna dominate. Those guys ups. I wanna see him. Do go up against the top cornerback and and be a top top one to five or six wide receiver. And then i'll be like willing to put him over jefferson but until then i'm wrong with jefferson all day. I descend general. The amish special high on the second year receivers because i think that's really where they started to pop off like i mean even decay moses sticking mecca of a second or third season but like even decay mecca like he. He's getting better you know. Aj brown's trending in that like getting better position like normally. You don't see too many like rookie. Receivers get more than a thousand yards. It's like the second year. I think for guys breakouts so again. Justin jefferson having good of a rookie. Says he has. I think he can even get better. But i'm just going to bring up some other second year. Gaza like while because some especially was high. I think one. Jerry judy intern. Teddy bridgewater i know. They're chemistry's been really good this off season and judy. I expect coming back injury. So we don't know how his chemistry he's gonna be by heard that they've kind of been like attacking practicing with each other and so they got that good chemistry going on. I think labus special is going to be really good for the jacksonville. Jaguars he's going to be the number one receiver this season as we discussed outlast. Podcast you think. Marvin jones bomb still going with the viscous and brandon and brandon. I another guy that could surprise everyone. Even more this season i think he's due for an even bigger breakout season. I i wouldn't be spotify. Solid twelve hundred yards from brandon. Iu end i mean they have deebo samuel still but like i'm not necessarily sold on the deebo samuel at this point. The depth of his targets are like three rs Target so like at this point. They're just trying to like feed him Like touches targets but like brandon i. He's this explosive. And i think he's a true. Why one for that team in the forty nine this another gallon really high on you mentioned. Probably my two favorite guys all you like. I will play the best receiver in that for the offense. Because i'm not hiding johnson. yes Well i i just think is just kinda freak. And they're found ways to get in touch. I thought who's really grown on me and you can take this all you want but like really weird. Feeling the t. higgins might end up being the best satis class. Really yup yup jerry. He's got a just got targeted. You marchenko or that one up. I haven't really hasn't really surfaced yet. But i just seen it. I'm like oh the futures i gotta chase. I'm mike. I might see if i can get four and right now because it might be peak value but you know he he has. It looked great in the training camp. Look great you know. It's also player that missing entire season last year. So i'm not gonna like base anything on a preseason or this or that. Ultramar chases like future but higgins. We've seen him like really dominate. When borough was on the field in i just i don't know he's got the profile. He wasn't a guy. Was i was actually incredibly high on but i just kind of kind of just get this weird feeling that he he might end up. Having a really really special year share in you know we might be talking about him as a top five to ten wide receiver. Next year he higgins is a good receiver. I wouldn't be surprised if he's the still the go-to receiver for the bengals I think he is actually. I've heard some things like you know to mark Hasn't been able to get as much separation as they would have liked the For the bengals. Preseason i mean you have to realize that. This guy took a year off of football to not playing free. Lsu gonna hurt him you know he's gotta get back in the football mood and like like in a harsh way know he's went from not playing football yer to being like joe berle's basically go through turks. I don't think that in his first year. I don't think that you're martinez necessarily gonna live up to the expectations and as you said dui. Yeah so like i think. The t higgins the best receiver in the offense. But i actually think tyler hague-based getting give him a run for his. I mean not Talent boards going to give him run for that money because we can't forget. The boy is like a very consistent receiver. He's like an eight hundred nine hundred receiving Receiving yards type of guy season. So if anything. I think tabloid might be holding them back a little bit but having all three of those good offense like you said it's like it's going to be hard to feed all them consistently can they all do on the week a week to week basis. That's different than the cowboys in the bengals is. I trust the bank. I trust the cowboys offensive line. And i just trust her offense in general like dak prescott. Whereas i don't trust joe borough and i don't trust the offensive line full. I think that's still a mess. So i think it's going to be harder for those guys to get open you know so. That's my real hold back as well It's i'm not. i'm not saying. It can't be good but i definitely like some guys in this class. Better t higgins this year. I just i just personally think they're going to throw the ball so much. I mean i'm not sure any team throws the ball born society this year with With my question. No with a t higgins and jober. Yeah i just think it's. It's their defense. Is going to be atrocious again. And i just think they're they're gonna have to be throwing from a han again in that division. Like you know you could see the cowboys with with. A healthy ezekiel elliott. Try to grant out gains. You know what i mean with the especially with the damn enough. I don't think the bangles are going to have that luxury. So like you know. Honestly like i think i would take t- higgins almost for redress purposes. I think i would take. I would take over all the Cowboy rogers like that yet. You're right. that defense is pretty atrocious. I mean i don't. I'm still not convinced that the cowboys cowboys defend other. They're probably terrible. Like the bengals start. Yeah i don't think they will aligned as equally some game saw give you that and then i mean the bengals. The probably won't rely on. Joe mixes much buys thing. Still give joe mixon a good bit of touches allies least to begin the game know but i do think they're going to be one of those more passing pass i type teams but yeah again like offense of line you know. Even if higgins can't get open while they even have that much time to throw the ball you know they're not going to be taken any deep shots for t- higgins. We got anymore questions per okay. So guy saying huge bengals fan here. But no chance higgins appaloosas. Cdn cooper in dallas cowboys Just saying minute ago that i wouldn't be surprised. Cd lamb was a top five receiver. This year so yeah. I mean honestly i'm with you there but yeah has any more groupers. I think amari cooper is just like just reiterate that i think that boyd in gallup might be comparable as far as like the matt targets are going to get They're going to be completely different types targets but like. I think that those guys are gonna probably be similar targets airs. Amari cooper is going to command a lot more targets than a than like chase will this year and you know so. Let's say the offense is equivalent in passing attempts. I think the t higgins is could will end up getting the the the most share out of all of those six receivers. Yeah all right so yeah we have another question but again going off that second year guys. There's a second year running back. Like i know everyone's really hot in the second year running backs but like especially like in redraft i think even in dynasty while dynasty. He's probably going around the right spot. Second third round but deandre swifty. Now he might miss the first week and all of a sudden everyone's avoiding among those first to your four rounds. Whereas like the jared goff you know in that team that they have. They're not really gonna be a lot with campbell as a Dan cameras coach. They're gonna be rushing. The ball will damara. What jamal williams but the andrea swift. I think a big breakout season coming from as well. I think he's a like kind of reminds me of aaron jones but anyways another question so who'd agus think is a better quarterback stash in redraft leaks justin fields or falen. It's a really good question. I like this question a lot. I mean obviously. I think i like right now on this to bring in all the rookie. Quarterback's into equation right now from everything. I've been seeing as a jets fan. I have to be a little bit biased. And i think that zach. That wilson actually could be the best in this class. Just because i haven't seen you know lawrence pick up at least you're not not like the whole career. I haven't seen lawrence put together all the pieces yup by wilson's going to be the number one quarterback this year in redraft. I think mack jones is going to be number two. I know that's kind of bold. And then honestly i mean lawrence might be number three as far as like just because he's like those guys are going to be a three guys starting the whole season but as far as like playoff weeks conflict with big crucial weeks. I'm going with justin fields. And so i am going with justin fields over trans and we saw like in the chargers game where trae lance was playing quarterback. He started off really shaky and then got really good. So it's still obvious to me that this guy needs time to develop you know. He only played a only played one game this past season and i think he's a project a josh. I don't think it's going to come together for trae lance this season. Although i do think long-term he might be the best time st quarterback in the class because of the potential upside that he has but justin feels to me. I think he's more pro ready. I think i mean he ran. Like what four forty. So i think this guy's gonna have incredible ability in the running game as well. I don't see. Andy dalton starting for more than a few games. I think matt nagy is gonna realize plus in their jobs are kinda on the line there with pace and nagy so. I think they're going to start to feel the pressure to like put in field. I wouldn't be so stir up very confident in that lake leash of any being very long like it was for mitch trubisky last year. What to give them like two three game lease before they put in nick foles and they won those games so i think it's going to be similar where i think they're going to get the pressure. We're likely gotta put the rookie quarterback in and show that they can win games. So i think that justin fields as the better guy where i think that the forty niners might stick with the garoppolo for a little bit longer this season yet but his his question was stash. Not like who wanna play earlier this season. You know so tallow. That's all right. I know because to me. A guy. Like if i have like matt stafford you know i want the guy i think has a higher potential down the stretch. Because i'm not really worried about maybe started somebody at the first half of the year. Kirk cousins or something. If i weighed on quarterback in redraft you know what i mean like which is a very viable strategy. You know what. I mean if you got brady or something like i want the guy that i think is going to like just a better receiving gore and i agree. I think maybe feel is might be a better rusher but like you know how much of a better russia is a. Do we want him run around like time. You know like take. It hits like trailer. I i think he's gonna have design runs and he's going to give you that that floor that you'd like to get out of a running back but like are out of running back but like the thing about trae. I just so tyson. It's this is gonna have to rely on his receiver core. Stay healthy which you know is no guarantee but like as of right now i want the guys throwing the ball to depot a you can kill versus mooney. Commit in Robin alison. I mean to me. That's that's why it's it's not consistent. Alibaba nsen not come on man. Who's bigger on now. okay again. I'm just giving you a hard time. i'm giving you. Would you better david montgomery rushing attack from from from a mo- certain sermon. I mean it's going to. They're going to have a better offense they're going to score more in chicago's chicago. This is something that the other you've got to think about. This is a very very important thing to think about. Where are these teams playing. At the end of the year you got tray. Trey lights is half of his games in the west coast. You're going to have cow fields so we play in the winter in chicago. The windy city in the country like it's hard to throw the ball in freezing stormy weather you know. Give the guy that's going on the west coast okay. I'm not had the bring weather into the equation. I agree that that can definitely be used for your argument. I liked how your friend cow fields got another shout out there. Justin fields sometimes can be hard but but anyways so yeah. I was said as i was saying earlier. Not only do i think fields has a better season but i think he's the better staff the long term and that he can help contribute compile time yes they may have those targets but which team has the bigger identity in the running. We know cal's shanahan's offense at this point. They're going to run. The ball has much as they can. Especially with this being trae lance this person down the line might rely on that passing game. But they have faced sermon. They'd traded up to get by as well as freelance and they have I think jeff wilson still there so they have a lot of good running backs were as that beer is often the again they're going to be trailing a lot. This season for nice defense is going to keep them in position where they can run the ball Lot more passes a lot more volume in the office for justin field. I just think the statistical season justin fields can have is is like way higher than twenty lance. So honestly for me. I go fields by a good margin. Eight if if this is your take if you say you take wilson to have the best year imac jones. Go the second you said. Well maybe maybe feels might. Nothing might not could be numbered one or two depending on how. How early starts. I just think that zach walston properly right now is the safest baton and then mac does little bit of safer. He's not much belly so honestly. As far as dash justin fields might be the guy with the highest upside along with snack wilson. Because if that's your standing what you really should be. Doing is taking any of those leaks. So you have those high end quarterbacks the lawrence the fields lance you should be traded mac and get him back jones plus or wilson plus and at the end of the year. You know what these guys end up higher on the individual season rankings. You're going to sell them back to the same guy and get those guys that even another discount. You know what. I mean like you can pick up multiple picks and still end up with the same player. Because you know that's how the committee works. It's the same as herbert trade. Herbert for for borough last year. Right you'd had to give up prior. I again right now. You probably have to give up a i. On top of birdie get herbert. That really is your your way. You think you're going to do that. Might be an amazing pivot to to to to work right now while actually is interesting because in one dynasty guy man at will to quarterback league You cal some of our listeners. That spent a lot of fun. So far i went with like just feels like the third or fourth round. But then i had another league this one quarterback league where where went trae lance because justin field off the board so i have one share of each of them this year so i am going to be rooting for both of those guys. That's a good point. You mentioned like a ability to pivot. If that's the way. I feel about these guys but yeah i wanna touch low. Bit more zach wilson. Because i'll be the first to say that. I was a little bit of a skeptic but i mean the way he's looked in. The preseason is just been super salad you know. He's making the reads. He's doing what he needs to do in practice. You know. he's like experimenting. Which i think is like really good for rookie quarterback that why doesn't get way doesn't get thrown in game two has to start experimenting. He knows what works. And he has core davis. He has alleged moore. He does have some legitimate targets. Any any be quick and stuff. So yeah i think. Zack wilson right now in this class he i think he has the best first year. So even though i'm a fan i will be the. I admit that i wasn't so high him heading into draft. In fact i had a few guys ahead of him but after seeing is preseason as seeing how comfortably looks into offense plus. There's some people saying like tony romo came out right now. he's like. I think this guy's gonna be topped by quarterback in this league. I wouldn't go that far. I'm saying things are looking up for zach. So so how how is that. I haven't seen them in the preseason. But you know one of the things i i like to a lot more than everybody else i know. He was extremely good athlete at byu address wondering how much have you seen that from from what i've watched the preseason he looks he looks decent right. I mean he's not like i wouldn't say he's elite but also say he's kind of i also would say he's gonna be in the top half of the league as far as this cat gore based on what i've seen in the preseason because he reminds me of a guy can just kind of like do enough to get like out of the pocket by himself some more times and make a smart reach not like going to be a josh allen or column or at least initially but he is one of those guys that could definitely break out of the pocket and make something happen with his fee by himself some extra time so i think he does have some some good traits as far as being able to give himself some extra time too much again kyle for joining me on this podcast. Good we got a lot of stuff especially preseason news so i really hope that this helps everyone. Who's listening again for those of you to kind kinda remind you. We're going to be shifting in the next week or two to dynasty bell cows. It's going to be our new. Pike as lame and our new logo. 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Episode 240: How to Beat NFL Player Props with Pro Bettor Rufus Peabody

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Episode 240: How to Beat NFL Player Props with Pro Bettor Rufus Peabody

"Hello and welcome to episode. Two hundred and forty of the official establish their own dot com. Podcast my name is one of the cofounders. Here at etr. Today i am joined by a very very special guest. A lot of people out there think they are good at betting sports. They claim they are. They wanna tell you. They are good abetting sports. Roughly ninety nine point nine percent of them are stone. Cold myers in my opinion. However i can say firsthand. That roof peabody is in that point. One percent excited to have him back on the show. Rufus has gone school. Pretty good going pretty well. I should say how're you doing. How's denver. i'm doing today. Yeah i can't wait for you to get out here and check it out. So you're convinced move forever like the weather alone. I think is so underrated. People assume that it's just snowing. Twenty four seven and freezing cold. It is just absolutely beautiful here and actually does affect people's mood. I think people are in a better mood because of it. So yeah it's been great. Well i mean. I think people are just didn't better mood and more relaxed out west. Yeah i think once you get out of. I mean i know you're in philly. The whole northeast is just wound. So tight fast. It's it's you know it's very much get ahead Denver you just have such huge weather. Temperature swings didn't go from like ninety two degrees down to like thirty degrees one day earlier. This year and the range of outcomes is really wide. Which is something. We're going to talk about today also with nfl players so good segue there. We're going to keep it very narrow here today. On the podcasts. We've previously talked to rufus about broader sports betting topics and his background. You can scroll back to find those old episodes. I believe he's been on at least twice before today. I wanna focus on something near and dear to my heart. And that is nfl player props before we get that one let everyone know. Our insen. Content schedule is live. Go to our team tab on the site you'll see the schedule in the drop down of course a huge part of that is projections and props so check that out art rufus. What is your background with props. Did you ever bet props. Did you ever do it seriously. What's your background with. Nfl player props. I bet did it seriously. It was kind of my first foray into betting. When i when. I moved to las vegas in two thousand eight for las vegas sports consultants. The you know that i fall. I was just grinding away on player props in my first year betting for a living. I slept approximately not exaggerating. Four hours between two nights. Friday and saturday night actually. That's kind of generous. There were times. When i do back to back all nighters and then sleep sixteen hours sunday night because i was basically grind college football in. Nfl largely layer buffs. So i there near and dear to my heart i have. I've done them for a long time. I don't do them every week of the nfl season anymore because it is a lot of work. There's a lot of manual stuff you have to do it. You can't just plug ins a model and having run in so there is a it it for me. I guess the juice isn't worth the squeeze on a on a week to week basis. But i don't know if it's worth it for the super bowl but for the there's a lot more you can more places that'll take shopper action and so so that's the only the only time i really really do it now but i still have the same sort of code setup and all that i should just hire someone to like run that and then do all the manual adjustments in you know although then you have to grind for accounts into office others. I'm getting into the weeds. Yeah no i mean. I love it on props. What made you start with props rather than just going right into on a bunch of sides and stuff like that. If that's how you started why. I mean i guess it's a it's a smaller smaller market and easier to be for sure but i don't i i'm not i'm trying to remember. I think maybe that's what l. Vc had me working on for a little bit in. That's that's what. Got me into it. But i don't know i mean it certainly it certainly an easier market to be no doubt and so so i'm here in colorado now as rufus mentioned and you said you know it. It can be hard to get action. There's a lot of manual work for sure. I think one thing that we've seen from the expansion of legalize sports betting is the prop- market is like vast. I mean just on draftkings and fan duel alone. I mean it is crazy. How much is up on menus right now. I mean and so. I don't know if that would change your mind about getting back into it at all. We're trying to think about getting back into. Nfl player props at all. But whereas the european model or the european books or the offshore is or whatever might only have a few when they have really bad juice and prop builder type things. I mean there's like tends dozens hundreds of props available for season-long now. And so i think some of the kind of old people you think about projects not new and a lot of that has to do with fantasy. Also so. I don't know if you've noticed that at all or any thoughts on on the way it is now we've props for what is going to be especially on drafting zinfandel where they're trying to convert fantasy players in the sports better. Oh definitely there's so many opportunities their pricing so many markets out in in. When you're doing that it's impossible basically just have a you just have this huge surface area. You can target and it's hard for to sort of protect everywhere right and so There are there are certainly opportunities opportunities. Even if you're not if you're not building models you just find essentially a place where prices week reno prices in taking a certain thing into account. But i think they're they're fantastic opportunities. I think the downside though is that. If you're betting mostly props you're probably gonna get limited pretty quickly it most of these books because they see something for recreational gamblers. Rather than something that you if. I'm winning betting nfl sides. I probably won't get limited at least of a book is smart because it's it's very hard to win. Nfl sides if you are winning honestly book should use that information. that's very valuable information But but with That's not as much the case in so. I think that that's the big concern. If you're if you're to send a larger scale is one thing i would say for me personally about. The whole limiting thing is like four for ninety nine percent of people listening to this like they're probably not even going to reach the limits that they would be limited at and for me specifically like. I know i'm not beating size and totals like i don't even really worry too much if they limit my action on size and totals. I'm willing to to burn accounts on props or to get limited on price just for it is what it is. You mentioned like what you think. A realistic is on sides toes. I've heard you say before. I think three percent or something like that is a good hold for even someone who's a professional better. I'm curious if you have any estimate what you think a good hold would be for somebody or good win rate would be for somebody in props so i think thinking about it in terms of our liar hold or win rate is the wrong way to be thinking about it. Actually because that doesn't take into account volume. So i think when people talk about unit it's sort of in a way like units is better even though i hate units Unit people like five units on this But it's about right it's about having an Like how big your edges and how much you're betting. If if somebody tells me they have an eight percent. Roi on something then either a they got lucky in the theoretical slower or be. They're not betting they're not getting smaller at visit. They should be so. I mean that's why. I say like i don't want to have arwa of britain five percent because it means i'm leaving money on the table Or means i'm running running running hot. Yeah well i wanna get into here. We're getting to the process in a second here. I wanna get into exactly what type how low you would go on edges to bet them in props but i want to start with more of the process here so you mentioned how much work it is a manual work. It is to be props. Obviously i think we can automate some of the line shopping. We can automate some the line. Verse projection comparison most of that stuff. But man you know it is incredibly hard grind to do a projection for every single player. Obviously like that's what we put most of our time and effort into on the best side and then we're able to kind of translate over to props but like thinking about. I don't know you know. Why tyler conklin will have three percent last target share than irv smith would have and then had is that flow down to the projection for justice jefferson. Adam feeling like all that stuff. I think is not only manual but like takes like an understanding of the nfl and understanding of coaching in schemes etc. And theory it sounds really easy but as we said it's really hard to automate this stuff and a ton of work goes into projections. Obviously because things are constantly constantly constantly changing. So i don't know. I just wanted to comment on. That roof is like that juice. Worth the squeeze. Yeah but you have to do the juice yourself you. Have somebody really grinding the projections. Hard for you. If you follow what i'm saying. Yes so actually. The way i do it is mostly projections. Automated or i have a way of doing that. But then you know at the team level but but you might have a situation where wide receiver one is out. is is the second wide receiver gonna be stepping into the role of wide receiver. One or is you know Or is the third receiver essentially taken that role in the slot. Receiver stays in the slot. There's all these sort of things. How does that affect the end. How does that affect usage for running backs in the out of the backfield for in terms of receiving so. There's things like that that you're not really going to be like you can build a model that says okay. I know how to project wide receiver target share based on previous games. Wide receiver target's share at prior for this team based on Based on the quarter their quarterback and you know the offensive system etc but being able to sort of. I mean there are i guess there. Are schematic changes that happened. There are shifts in so like saying. Oh you know this. This particular scale like target share decays eight percent week. Or something you know. Maybe that's what it does overall but there are certain cases where you wanna say. While i'm not even gonna look at what happened five weeks ago. I think the hardest part is is what you're saying. I mean i is modeling. The individual players target share. And and i guess carry share as well because i think that the team base stuff. I'm pretty confident nat by you know. I mean for the super bowl. I go back. I literally look. I have a spreadsheet open and i see each player's target jerry tweak. I'm like oh you know gronk was out these particular weeks in this other week. They were up thirty five at halftime so he didn't play in the second half so you know like i'm basically going through like manually looking at all this stuff and trying to figure out games a representative of what like what's actually going to happen. You know in a game. I'm trying to project that. I think that's sort of the manual work. And if if you're willing to put that much work into it. I mean there's there's definitely reward for it. Yeah i mean that's exactly what we're doing every week for every dfs spot you know. Obviously some guys are easier to project and others each week. If their situation has not changed we can model that. We can use machine learning on a lot of that stuff but when things are changing anything's a concert changing nfl. We're doing exactly what roof has said. And it's just an incredible amount of work which leads me to why i you know. I think maybe the books should think about taking more action on. I know it's very beatable but man. It is a lot of work to get there. I wanna go more into the process. You think is correct for betting processes it as simple in your mind as find a projection. Find line compare it and if it's that some threshold difference that you think that it's a bet. I think that's some people think it's as simple as that what would you say actual processes for deciding what about. And what's not yeah. I think it's pretty much that simple. Look edge it's you asked. What sort of threshold would be in. If i knew something had had a half a percent edge for sure i would bet if i knew it had zero point. One percentage for sure But i i if i model something to have zero point one percent edge there. There's a margin of error there And so i'm not confident enough in it's the whole concept of regressing back to the market which i don't really do. I don't really do that in golf. I don't really do that in props. But i still do have sort of smaller a threshold. I'll use just to essentially make sure maybe maybe. I'm leaving money on the table by doing that. But i'm not betting. I'm not betting something. I model is a one percentage because i think that's i'm uncertain about yeah. I'm uncertain enough to of being exactly that that i feel like it's not really worth betting that yeah and i mean look like there's so many profitable now each week like even if we made the threshold five percent edge or or ten percent edge still end up with a ton ton ton of bats if we were betting everything that was a one percent edge. We've betting every single thing on the board. And obviously the margin of error. I think on the projection is wider than that right. Like you follow what. I'm saying right. What i would say is if you want to do this. In a methodical way track your best track. What your theoretical. Our ally was on each one if you have model and and then you can look and see and say. Oh you know when on average. When i'm modeling a two percent edge actually is you know maybe negative zero point three percent or something you basically see what relationship is and see if if if it's strictly linear i mean if the edges the things you think are huge edges maybe Quite as big oftentimes. Like in general. If i show an edge to seems unreasonably high. There's probably something missing. That's not necessarily the case in props were by. But i i feel like if you track a i guess if you track things in great detail you can learn a lot and my biggest regret honestly is not tracking things in more detail in the fast. Yeah i've taken like forty. I think forty five now season-long player props and like ninety to ninety five percent of them are under did a whole episode about. Why unders make so much sense in the season long props it's just the chaos of nfl season. It makes it really hard for the books to price. These season-long player props low enough already. Seen with hilton getting her we had under on him. Ed bouchette pyramid getting caught. We had under him. He's resigned with the bears. But there's so many other things that can happen with role with injury with rest excetera. Do you agree with the notion that weekly props each individual game props should also be lean towards unders at some really really high or are you willing to bet overs also on props no i think. I mean ninety plus percent of props at ever met in my life or unders probably closer to ninety five percent and yeah in injuries as part of it or injuries are part of it on a weekly basis. Although i will say that. The effective injury changes depending on the player's role. If you're if you're betting up prop on a guy that you're expecting to get like twenty percent to be playing twenty percent of the snaps. There's more up. You know he. I guess he has a higher ceiling from injuries. Because if somebody ahead of him gets injured he he'll he'll play more like the he. He stands to gain more injury than he does to lose in a way Someone gets hurt. Not like there's going to be ten men on the field. Someone feels so But overall when reading props you're mainly betting the top layers jesters like injuries happen. That's part of it. I'd say the other big thing is that people don't understand the difference between a mean immediate so if if a guy. Let's simple example. Let's say a guy. Averages a half touchdown a game. That doesn't mean the probabilities fifty percent. That he's gonna get a touchdown that game 'cause there's games as he might get two touchdowns three touchdowns and so you know for that. You could use the distribution. That works pretty well. It works pretty well for a for things like receptions as well but But for yards i mean. I think that's something that you don't necessarily intuitively know as well. I mean if you have a guy. Projected five point nine catches for seventy. Three yards is under seventy four and a half a receiving debate. I would say hell yes like actually under seventy and a half is probably about. Because you know not gonna get very rarely. We'll have fewer zero receiving yards by in their situations where he'll have to. You can see two hundred. Plus receiving games and so the district the is going to be higher than the median offers. I think that's that's something that i i think that maybe the average a recreational better doesn't necessarily understand as much because you know they just watch too much dave portnoy videos and his in subscribe to the over club. Yeah now so so we're able to plot a player's distributions and you can see if you plot them like how many of them are on the right side of the line. How many of them on the left side line and like you see a player like mark scaling comes to mind with this. Massive eight massive average depth of target. He's gonna have like two or three hundred yard plus games this year but man he's going to have a ton of games under forty yards or a ton of games under forty five fifty yards. And so obviously like. You're gonna lose some of the problem. You're betting his unders. But you could go twelve and four on the season or something like that even if it was stagnant like that and i think the median mean stuff. I think people are starting to get a better handle on that. I hope they are but yet obviously makes a ton of sense. Can we think about injury variants by position. Like are you more likely. Can we bake in Injury higher rate. I'm running back or injury. High rate a tight end and quarterbacks are more to sustain through a whole game etc center. Can we baked that in. Should we bake that in. What we're doing props. Yeah i think you can. And what's funny is like for the last few super bowls. I actually was modeling injury probability of my simulation so the way i have projections for player in the night i would simulate i would say this is what he would be if he played the target without getting injured. But then i simulated a probability of injury and being injured over you know. I said it was equally likely to occur at any point in the game. Sampled where the injury occurred ridge. If you've got injured at the end of the first drive reduced his projection by seventy five percent right Sampled from that. So i mean you can And so but that required actually quantifying injury probability which is not an easy thing to do. I i don't think you need to be great added Having just a being cracked. I guess in order. Magnitude way is good actually unabated. We're we're you know i. I'm about quarterback injuries and we have our nfl simulator. We seem at future stuff. You run season. Simulations we simulate quarterback injuries on a weekly level. What what's the probability quarterback gets hurt and has to in mrs at least a start in so the average for that is around and looked man that this required a lot of manual work actually over the last twenty years. That rate is is around three percent belief three and a half percent for starting quarterback to get injured in a game. I think that's obviously near you could argue. It's gonna be lower going forward given how much quarterbacks are protected And obviously at various law from quarterback quarterback. There is injury persistence. At but i would think i haven't done a lot of modeling for wide receivers. You can look. But i would think it's gonna be a lot higher. I think you know positions where there's more physical contact going to be higher. But so. I think it's definitely something did something to consider if you can if you can model that like. I don't think you need to model it to be able to win it props. I'll put it that way right. No exactly exactly. And that's kinda the point that i wanted to get to here. We've talked a lot about modeling and math type stuff and some things. That might seem a lot of these. A lot of people. Listening to this. I think are just very good fantasy players. I know and i consider myself very good fantasy player. I still don't feel really just eyeballing it right like anytime. I'm betting a prop. I'm looking at our projections. I'm comparing them to the line. And i'm making judgment calls from there for the most part. But do you think there are people out there who can just like eyeball it and win at props. So i bought. They probably have some mental model though experience with it. I mean certainly. There's you know. I think i did a few season-long props that just eyeballed. I said like the mark. Jackson under nine hundred fifty rushing yards. Seems like. I don't think that there's any way that i mean that. Seems like a great bed things like that but you can certainly eyeball egregiously off numbers right but in terms of know for me. I don't trust my intuition. That much. And i tend to sort of the i like having a framework tantalized things so i mean i think it's i may. Maybe it's possible. I don't know yeah but it's just not something i really do. I mean for for me. I'm trying to do much more seriously this year. And we have a team of four or five guys helping me here in colorado. Find all the best. Because there's so many books i mean there's twenty books probably offering props on nfl this year and so we have like a whole team doing it in comparing our projections and officer working really hard and the projection. So i'm i'm excited about getting a lot more volume in this year on props for sure couple nonprofit things before we get out of here where now i don't know. Two years into full blown legalized sports betting two and a half years. Maybe three i can't remember at this point. Do you think this has made the market overall more or less efficient. And so obviously you know you're tracking your line and stuff like that with this tons of money coming into the market and some of its sharp. Very little of its sharp. I would say most of it just casual people on apps betting do you think the market now in the united states legal united states is more efficient or less vision and what we saw in some of those european markets before the legalization here. So i think it's more efficient. But i think it gets more efficient every year. I don't think. I don't think legalization has made it more efficient. And the reason sad i. I just think that there aren't very many books. In the united states that are actually making market circus. One of them there I think we talk about them or at least i do a lot because i think i. I like their business bottle of making markets taking action moving the number Most books in the us are their model consists of looking at market making books At least for bigger market things Where they can. And so it it in a way. The market is more fragile. Because everybody's reliant on a few books which makes it easier to manipulate for people that choose to do so. But i i don't think i i think it will become more efficient as you have more market making books in the united states and as we see exchanges come up. I mean sport trades can be going live in new jersey later this year. That's just one state so it probably won't have a huge effect there. But but i'm excited to sort of you know for things to move in that direction and i do think you will see more market making books in the us eventually. So i think that will make it more efficient but right now i mean i think the efficient the Added efficiency just comes from the fact. That i i really believe. Markets tend to deficiency. Yeah i think. I'll say is that like i know you tend to specialize in golf market. You know i'm really trying hard in props. Nba and nfl and like these markets are for sure less efficient. I would actually say that. Do the legalization. I mean in the number of different markets there are i mean guy within a golf market you can bet twenty thirty different markets within one golf tournament on props i mean like i said there's dozens hundreds of but i think that it's been less efficient as long as as long as you're not trying to bed time but like i said you know i i've had A reasonable time. You know betting two three four five hundred dollars a prop and i think there's a problem but even betting that much i think for most people listening to this. It's it's well within orwell pushing their bankroll limits anyway so a lot of the talk about limits know i would just encourage people that that these smaller markets didn't niche markets are with softer places to be the insides totals. I just wanted to get that off my chest. I grew agree with that. I guess when you save the market the question is what you mean by the market. How are you defining the market. So i think there's definitely There are there are a lot of soft books in the united states. There's a lot of soft lines. So i think that if that's what you mean by the market. Oh yeah way less efficient. I mean there's you know there's there's soft books offshore their soft paper head books. There's teaser to access sock by some of these software bucks. The question is but i guess if you meant the sort of market making books yeah i think the market making books are getting a little more efficient as they do because i think i mean i just think every year things get a little more efficient. There's more people more. There's more smarter people in the market. There's better data available. You know the methods that were ten years ago don't necessarily work that showed edges ten years ago are winning anymore. Oh for sure. Okay last thing before we get out of here. You announced a site launch and you alluded to a minute ago with unabated and the first thing everybody says rufus is printing money betting on sports. Why the hell would he want to put his time and sweat and money or into launching a site. So here's your chance to clear the air. Rufus is why launch unabated and you can tell the people a little bit about what it is for those who don't know so you're right. I've been betting for what for living for twelve years to al and burned out to be honest. I kind of wanted to new challenge. Wanted and i think a lot of people know that i'm pretty passionately against people selling picks but but there isn't what i wanted to do is create tools that allow betters to quantify their opinion. So someone someone did. Play a big fancy player. Dfs player Code by has opinions and like the my vision for the site is is essentially to be this indispensable resource that people can can use can build essentially build models that will host. I'm talking about stuff down down the line. Maybe i shouldn't do that right now. But but right now like for example we have An nfl simulator product that allows you to input your own power ratings or select from a bunch of different systems included including market-based ratings which are based on l- ahead aligns. It's worth books You know we have nasty peabody. Espn's fbi pro. football focus. Number fire is a few others team. Rankings thank basically publicly available rating systems out. There You can you. Can you have a bunch of toggles. You can change for g my team you can say i wanna make seattle's home field advantage two and a half points instead of two points you can you can change. He quarterback injury probabilities and the drop off from the starter to the backup. So if you think. Lamar jackson has eight percent. Chance of getting hurt. Each game you know and you wanna see the effect that has on the ravens probability of making the playoffs or winning the super bowl you can do that and and you can also adjust the dynamic uncertainty for a team which is Of fancy way of saying how much should a teams rating respond to each game. These simulator games. We we do. Obviously because we simulate out the season but if you think that the jaguars maybe there's a lot more uncertainty with the jaguars because they have a new coach. They have quarterback will urban. Meyer's coaching prowess in college. Translate to the nfl will trevor lawrence like the league on fire or willie struggle. Like i could say if you think there's sort of a wider range of outcomes for a team like that you can say more aggressively update the ratings based on similar the game results. But but you you run the simulations and you can compare it we integrate with with odd screens features regular season wins while the playoffs super bowl conference cetera and see where there's value but but the point is i'm not giving you a model there's data science on the back end. Obviously that that. I'm pretty confident in very confident. But but you you get to specify the user gets to specify their own ratings and basically put their own opinions into that and sort of quantify that and so i. It's a product. That did i really like. I don't know why. I guess we built it without knowing what kind of demand is for it and i think we'll find out but but it's it's something i'm passionate about. I want to give people a chance to sort of build. Just like i enjoyed. I'm enjoying building this site. I want people to be able to build their own models. I'll say two things to answer your question. Urban meyer is unquestionably unquestionably a stone cold donkey. And i i still think. Trevor lawrence can be fine by men urban. Meyer really scares me as it's stone cold donkey. Same thing i would say is i love the concept of letting people build out their own opinions. I'm really skeptical of some of these publicly available power rank and stuff like that because if those are being the market like they wouldn't be publicly available people would just be printing off money so i would encourage people if you're going to do it to do it with your own stuff. Not with what else is out there. I'm not sure that stuff beats the market and same thing with props if you're comparing projection to a problem you better be damn sure that you feel really good about the projection. Also if you follow him saying adamus very true but it's really. I mean it is. It's hard to be an nfl mark. It's hard to be done about sides. It's hard to have power ratings that are better than the market But with futures. Sometimes things are not right. Like i'll put it this way. Our market based are our market based ratings are based on super book which has also seventeen or eighteen wheat lines on every single game all eighteen recent season and you run the simulation with those numbers You end up showing a lot of betting division futures at the superbug like the the two. It's it's basically it's essentially derivative you you can find where things are misplaced where they should be and so. I think that that's part of the value. In and the other thing is you can start at at a rating system. Like i would say. Start if you don't have model starts that's close to market based rating system and basically say. Okay well do you think the public overvaluing some team or undervaluing some team. Then you can sort of adjustments from there. That's a little point. You start with this. And you can tinker exactly you mentioned props. We're going to have propped tools as well. I'm excited for that to be able to price some of these things you know if you have this wide receiver projected at seventy two yards. And he's getting seventeen yards per catch. What's the probability that he's going to get one hundred yard receiving game things like that. That aren't really intuitively obvious. So i'm excited about a lot of these products. We have works. Yeah that's cool for sure that i agree with you. That futures is not efficiently inefficiently priced market whatsoever across the board. I mean you can find some widely varying lines if you just shop pretty hard on the futures market also adam we also have these trading was basically that. Allow you to see if you chopping between you know. You don't know whether you should should bet A team minus three minus worn ten or minus three and a half even money right like what. What's better line there And also help you identify sort Potentially derivative nets which i think You know these things. I used to be able to make a lot of money. Just betting derivatives. Basically getting you you you find bigger mark of a bigger market number an sort of these smaller markets. That are right which that prices that are. Just on the bigger market Books pricing very well. And now they're priced better but at the same time it's still. There's chances where you can improve your roi by percent by saying you know this first. Half debt is is a better option than full game. Bet every every percent guests or this particular altered spread this. You're taking minus ten and a half. Plus two hundred might be better than minus five and a half some other money line so yup and as we see more markets pop up on all these apps. There's so many of those alternate lines and there's even like alternate win. Totals mean there's so much out there now that it's tough for them as we said at the beginning to price all this stuff. Okay oh atom like you should see my portfolio here. I mean i. I wanna pull actually. I bet a lot of I think i have the the chargers to win exactly four games and thirty five to one. You know charges wins twelve to one. I bet the raiders to win thirteen games at one hundred one like in honestly i priced it from the simulator on on on invaded so a lot of these books. You see huge differences in the exact number win stuff and alter number went so there's some real opportunities there. Oh yeah i mean. Books pressure is just a total disaster. That's that's a conversation for another day. Rufus has said it all rufus. Tell the people where they can find you on the twitter machine. You've been doing some ama's on twitter lately. Which i think have caught the fire of the people so tell the people where they can find you on the twitter machine or anywhere else. Although i fell off of this i did it for like three or four weeks straight and i got a i forgot So thank you for reminding but you can find me on twitter at rufus peabody and you can sign up for. Unabated unabated dot com. We're in beta right now. But we're going to be going live next week so why decided about that. Yes and i'm a regular listener tibet. The process to jeff. We mad at you if you if you don't plug bet the process. Also oh yeah that the process find it. Wherever you find out guests podcast. You probably know to find out guest. Okay really appreciate you being here rufus. I'm excited for props this year. Rufus if it wasn't wasn't so rich he also be excited for props this year. But i personally am very excited so i will see you guys in the prop streets for sure for rufus for producer. Luke i am adam. Good luck everybody.

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Waiver Wire and a Recap of the Game of the Year (12/15 Fantasy Football Podcast)

Fantasy Football Today Podcast

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Waiver Wire and a Recap of the Game of the Year (12/15 Fantasy Football Podcast)

"This is fantasy football today from cbs. Sports it's time to dominate your fantasy league. Here's some combination of adam. Dave jamie benn a game an amazing way to end fantasy. We fourteen playoff match decided on that stinking safety at the end of the game or maybe the field goal just a couple of seconds before we welcome you to fantasy football today. We're gonna talk about the last night's game of course and of course take the waiver wire but we fifteen which seems pretty good especially quarterback. What's up jamie dave jamie. I know you tweeted. I know i tweeted. Probably everybody tweet. It was that the game of the year was at the best game of the season. Oh i think so. Certainly the prime time game You know as a versus interesting choice of words. This these stinking Why thinking gun. Safety lamar jackson. Everything happen with him. Said it was cramping it was cramping i did love the fact that he dumped on ballplayers berson There is there is actually. I think it was Dr child who tweeted a picture of him with his arm wraps oh showing that it was an iv That he was getting. Iv treatment was in there for like that would have been and you could have read warren piece the amount of time he was in there. I'm sorry he may have thought the game wasn't hand and he was just taking his time but in any event it was very funny. Twitter was very funny last night. I hope everyone enjoyed Social media watching that all in molded Yeah it was great. It was unbelievable game. I mean goodell's browns. I thought they were gonna fold after Going down twenty eight fourteen and for them to fight back and baker mayfield has a strong fantasy game. you should give you some encouragement for trusting him most likely into quarterback in super flex lease the rest of the rest of the way against the giants jets but murdoch's and looked back as a strong fantasy quarterback and hopefully he won't have to go run to the body anymore. It was. he got hit. Cribs gosh give the guy a break up. He was out of this looking good either way. It's a lot a lot of candy crush. She would have been playing. Obviously joyce okay anyway. What i what. I bought lavar jags. It was was great at his own way. Baker mayfield was great at his own way. And let me read this email. There was another person who was great by the way lisa saulters give her credit her post game interview. Her first question. Did you have anything left in the tank. That was one of the phrase it perfectly. She could not have raised more for but she also said that he was very tired after last week's game which after he had missed time with covid and this could have been the after effects of having like in all seriousness. He really could have just been very tired and cramping and still dealing with With the after effects covert but i e mail. The day is from josh from denver. I wanted to share in this really tough year. Some fantasy football joy. What a game last night. I was battling my good friend. I the succeed him. The three i was done in up by eight points in non and he had jarvis landry in an amazing game at the same time. My son stayed up late as he was in his first season. Ever first fantasy season ever nine years old and he was down. Five points in the fourth quarter. The other team was done and he had hollywood brown. He exploded with a touchdown with the win as he went upstairs to bed. And i was talking with my friend that i beat about the game. A friend of mine texted me. He just won by a single point. The game had just a few seconds left and he was going against the ravens the he couldn't believe it then he just hung up. This is what fantasy is all about. It has made twenty twenty a little better. Thanks to all of you for being a part of that joy and the title of the email was something like why we love fantasy football and yankel right. You had touched out. Well you had the marquees brown touchdown the kareem hunt touch down. The field goal the safety with the ravens the so called before the safety. Yeah his friend was calling and bragging that he won against the ravens and then he just hung up the phone. It's so cool since we've all got our sob stories from this week and our great stories from this week and a lot of them came down to the last game and those are the best games like you talked about it being the game of the year. I think it might have been the game of the year for fantasy too because so much was on the line. It seems like everybody. I know had some skin in the game the other nominee that i think i got a lot of was the cardinals seahawks. The first game one that went to time that was thirty. Seven hundred dollars win for the cardinals. Yeah but it was. It wasn't this late in the season. No playoff lives are on the line now but it just just in terms of game of the year and the hail murray and Yeah we'll give it to this one. This one was related. It is funny though because you referenced. The game R d three might have had the tweet of the night but he say he tweeted a picture of the decay. Metcalf chased down. Oh yeah and the the what he wrote on the players were Buddha baker right uh-huh or do you want to baker was brown's lead and then what he wrote on decay. Metcalf was lamar after poop. Are you teammate right. okay fine. He was playing candy crush their email. The day number two from james profit. Lord of the rings has over one hundred thousand likes whereas lord of the rings christmas movie because it has elves in it. And i responded to james. I said i'm sure jamie would agree with you as you. Guys are simpleton and you don't know what a christmas let's talk about the waiver wire so no not at all. I never seen it right. So it's not like diehards. Obviously yes christian movie. Okay top waiver wire priorities jamie. Who who got this week the number one player to add and this is contingent on an mri is jeff wilson and might not be yes. He's got the cowboys he's a twenty percent rostered. Might not have he moster this week and that would be great. I didn't you did not put jerick mckinnon though on your list. You think it's just wilson's back typically running backs when i do that. I have mackinnon in the column. But there's a quote from shanahan. Who said they're going with their one two punch of mustard in jeff wilson and mckinnon. Stephen coleman did not play against washington. So i would assume that mckinnon will play To what extent. It's hard to say. But wilson is going to get the majority of the carries there so at this point in the season. I don't know how many people are going to have to trust jerick mckinnon but if jeff wilson is the guy against san francisco. He'll be a top ten running back from you against cowboys okay. Who else we know about most hurts injury. We know that he's going to get an mri on the ankle and that's we had an mri on the so. We don't know the results. We don't know the results Everything that i've read suggests that we'll know wednesday. What is practice status is. My guess is he's not going to practice. But at this point in the season you know the guys that you're holding onto. There's probably three or four guys on your bench. You could drop for jeff wilson. Yeah okay who else is not just wilson who picking up. Well i think you mentioned the quarterbacks quarterback this week i've gone back and forth on mitchell. Trubisky jalen hurts. So i really still haven't finalized that right after bisky hired because of his track record but our hurts could certainly be great against cardinal. So they're both ranked in the top twelve for me. I like both of the opportunities for them If you're looking ahead trubisky gets the jaguars in week. Sixteen if you're trying to get a two week quarterback he might be the better of the two wilson -nother scenario on back and forth on his kind of format dependent. I think gus edwards can have a huge game this week against the jaguars in dickerson. Run all over them but obviously imboden playing wide receiver What you yet from npr. We've been talking about jd. Mckissic for the majority of the season. He could be that type of guy at his position. Given the dolphins injuries and then the receivers there's a lot of guys that think nelson nagla just because he sneaks in right under the wire is Is still worth picking up and clearly. You've seen thirty six targets. Thirty five targets. Excuse me in his last three games. you'll be the best wide receiver. Chad hansen. Somebody can look at as well just based on what's happening in houston and then earth's method a potential starting tight end for this week and maybe the rest of the season depending on kyle rudolph's injury. You'd like to see a few more targets for smith. He's been building toward something before he got hurt or he was building towards something before he got hurt. And now there's a chance for him to close the season playing at a high level so There are some potential starters that you can find out the waiver wire which nice irv smith with a terrific matchup against the bears. If jordan akins hadn't dropped the wide open touchdown it would have been like eight games in a row. Six ers a touchdown for tight end against the bears. They're terrible awesome. We'll see if people have faith in tyler. Hig gerald everett this week against the jets and by the way do you know which team gives up the most forty plus yard pass plays in the nfl. Most big pass plays would be an nfc. It's an afc. West team raiders. It's the chargers and that would be nelson aga- moore's matchup this week All right dave any names. So jeff. wilson. Trubisky hurts edwards. Boat in galore hanson. Irv smith any names that you wanna give that. Were not given none that. I would say qualify as priorities off the waiver wire so when we get to those other positions we can talk about some lesser guys. That might be there if those other players. Jimmy mentioned aren't there are. There are three players that i want to mention that are. Let's say probably owned but not necessarily rostered but not necessarily their sixty four to seventy five percent rostered. They are george kittle. Who could practice this week. I don't think he's gonna play but you might get him next week against arizona. Drew brees seventy five percent russia and the browns. Dst sixty six. It's not a great dsp week but the browns could be the prize there. Sixty six percent rostered and the dolphins at the patriots They get the giants this week. They get the jets next week so any browns that you're looking at whether it's mayfield. Who's about fifty percent rostered higgins And the d. s. t. Next week could be amazing for them week. Sixteen at the jets. Keep that in mind and this week for the dsp at the giants could be wonderful as well. You should throw philip rivers on your list to adam. Seventy two percent rostered has houston this week. Yeah yeah yeah so. It actually feels like a great one of the better quarterback weeks. We've had in a while. I don't know how trubisky and hurts do but at least may feel. The trubisky hurts rivers could be out there stafford plays. He's got tennessee. Could have some good options on the waiver wire We've got more time to answer your questions for the waiver wire tonight on twitch. Join us at eight pm. Eastern twitch dot com slash f f today. We'll see we'll be answering your questions and tomorrow's signing day all right. Cbs sports hq was bringing you. Wall-to-wall coverage from nine am to six pm. See where your teams class ends up in the two in the two four seven the twenty twenty four seven sports rankings. I know the web. I go to it. All the time scrape website. It's the industry standard live announcements throughout the day including flip watch rankings leapfrogs and of course signing alert. So no matter what you one school you root for we'll have you covered with breakdowns of all the teams nine hours of programming on. Cbs sports hq. It's going to be your home for the winners and losers the top classes and the diamonds in the rough to remember. Watch on the cbs sports app on your connected tv and your mobile device. Okay News and notes to get you caught up. What's going on gardner. Minshew is going to start for the jags and jalen hurts. He's another. I didn't mention him. I don't know how we feel about that match up against the ravens now. They're secondary got pretty beat up last night. They lost two cornerbacks. We'll see The severity their jalen hurts. Gonna start for philadelphia leonard. Fournette should probably should've mentioned him Row jones may have a broken pinkie so for nets worth a look. He's seventy eight percent roster. Damian harris has a back injury so michelle would the dolphins this week. That games in miami. I said it was in new england to miami The eagles could be down three cornerbacks. They definitely be down to One's a safety rodney. Mcleod out for the season of automatics out this week darius slayton the concussion protocol so if you have kyla murray. That's better news for him. Sorry to say it in. That regard sucks for the eagles. Deebo samuel can drop. 'em is out for the rest of the regular season most likely moster scott. The ankle garoppolo may not be back. this week. this year rather and nick mullins may get benched. They are not really pleased there. Fred warner stood linebacker for the niners. He has a stinger there. I mean it's amazing. They injury list for them. It's just there that team. It's very unfortunate. The the eagles say hold our iv. I would have to disagree. I say niners win that battle fee bag. It's very funny and they say hold our medical tape. What else we got staffer. it's gonna be questionable. John brown is going to practice this week. He's forty one percent roster Jeffrey okudah for the lions detroit's cornerback. First round pick out for the year we did see jedrick wills left tackle for the browns been a very good rookie. He left but he came back. And adam gates will not bench frank gore but fantasy owners will Let's look ahead to week. Sixteen really quickly. And then we'll come back to fifteen and give you all the names. You need to know. So some quarterbacks to a by low as at the raiders baker mayfield's that the jets trubisky he's at the jaguars so he's a two week kind of guy drew. Lock at the chargers gielen hurts at dallas. That's good jamie. I mean you got trubisky. Hurts and mayfield. Who are on your waiver. Wireless this week. They've got favorable matchup next week's to do i mean yeah it's a it's a good setup. How many people are going to trust. Mayfield this week. But certainly if he has another strong game though they'll trust the next week against the jets but the other two in trubisky and hurts your are borderline starter this week pressure. Yeah mayfield's got the giants they give up the fifth fewest fantasy points. But he's now got thirty five and thirty three fantasy points in his last two games both pass attempts the last two games that he had all season in the back. The back stretch eighty pastimes. Yeah one of them's only thirty three. But last night forty seven passes his number like passer rating was actually pretty gross last night but it seemed like he played pretty well late in the game for sure. He's on fire. I mean author pick six. You know so. It wasn't great kingdom yet. that is true Oh no it was not a pick six. You should have been picked very close very close. The dolphins running back situations very interesting. The they have new england this week. Sometimes that's a good match up sometimes. It isn't next week. There at the raiders. that's beautiful. Who are you guys looking at. In that backfield. The andre wash them. We'll probably get the most carries if everybody's still out but he's not gonna be somebody you trust and then just because of his position lynn. Boden somebody that you pick up first because of what he will be able to do as receiver. But you're not gonna start him as they starting running back in non pbr. He's basically like what we talked about with. Pass catching running back. That's the cat type of guy he is but they're so beat up with receiving corps. It's kind of you know Don't love to even looking ahead because if he doesn't have parker and doesn't have the seki you're not gonna trust them with window and then mac collins as his top receivers. 'cause jackie grant might be done for the year so Even if i mean if you. Kim grant that doesn't really matter but just in terms of the the position running back from miami Right now it'd be boating but you could also take a look at some like men just in case gaskins not back in week sixteen. Because he's most likely fifty. That's why i was gonna say was med. But i we don't know when he's going to be back and i don't think there's going to be a huge rushed to pick him up off waivers anyway so you could stash him if you wanted to or you can just leave him on the waiver wire and grab him when it looks like he's got a chance to come back. I'm not a priority but someone who could be an impact player late this year if you wanna stash a dsp for week sixteen. The browns are at the giants at the giants this week there at the jets next week so we like that houston gets cincinnati. Chicago would be at jacksonville and philadelphia is at dallas cleveland. Houston chicago philadelphia. Dsp's that you could look at. It is kind of using for week. Fifteen how the stars have kind of a line for the top defenses with the rams getting the jets with the steelers getting the bengals and with the ravens if they are still a great defense getting the jaguar man. What's up with their run defense. Last two weeks. I get no. It's hard to stop the browns. But i was pretty. It's a pretty sorry effort and Nick chubb group so many games thrown in the mix the last few weeks. Yeah plus there might be a stomach bug going around that locker room. Dave man candy crush. Apparently dave at. It's you know look. We're week fifteen stressful times doing your holiday shopping. All that You know watching your college. Football team gets not kicked out of them. That wasn't very relaxing. So you need a moment to chill. What do you reach for when you need to chill out whenever we talk about coors light and how i need a moment to chill i feel like i'm taking up too much with my life. So let's make this more about the listeners. And everybody out there. 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Yes when you wanna hit reset reach for the beer that's made to chill and get cores light and the new look delivered straight to your door at get dot kors light dot com get g t dot coors light dot com celebrate responsibly cores brewing company golden. Colorado we have throughout some more names here. Top players at each position for the waiver wire in fantasy week fifteen. Man i can't believe infancy week. Fifteen which every year. It's just like damn that flew by. And what a welcome distraction it has been slow has been really just so thrilled that we have gotten to this point in the season so many doubts months ago. But we're here Top three quarterbacks. Jamie i know you get the list earlier. Wanna just rehash maybe give a few more names top three quarterbacks gopher mitchell trubisky jalen hurts and baker mayfield drew lock off a great game. Last week is best. Fantasy game of the season Teddy bridgewater has been very consistent. If you're looking for just kind of a nice floor. Plus he's getting some reinforcements with potentially christian. Mccaffrey back and dj more as well. And then government you know mostly a more of two quarterback superplex guy But we saw his fantasy production Five of his first seven starts at least twenty two fantasy points. Can i make a case for hurts over trubisky. I have no problem with her. It's over trubisky sorcerer. Sure number one. He's going to get you more rushing yards in trubisky and that's something that will always help you in fantasy and number two. I like match better this week against arizona cardinals of allow twenty three fantasy points or more to five of the last seven quarterbacks they face whereas minnesota and i don't necessarily know how they're doing this. They've given up under twenty fantasy points to five of the past quarterbacks they faced brady just had nineteen. I true fiske's best games have been against really terrible defenses and again i don't wanna stump for minnesota being an all world defense but i got a feeling that trubisky could be let down guy this week so i prefer hurts their back to back in my rankings but i think hurts with the with the safe floor of rushing makes them a better option. Yeah i don't. I don't disagree and the thing about it is the one reason why would slightly toward trubisky right now and again next becca chains. By the time you read the call is. I do think minnesota's offense will show up this because they're back at home causes plays better at home. It played out last week. He didn't have a good game on the road. And i think you'll be more of a shootout no whereas i could see the game for philly Could be shoot up. Could absolutely be shoot up but we saw how philly kinda played in new orleans a little bit. You know with to kind of mobile quarterbacks Going back and forth. It wasn't a high scoring game i think trubisky in what typically is his better scenarios is when he's chasing points. I can see them chasing points this week against the vikings on. Yeah and let's take a closer look at the vikings. And how they're doing this last six quarterbacks dave mentioned only dalton's had a good game and he threw for like the low two hundred yards but he threw three touchdowns. The competition has changed so much. The first seven games of the year. They faced rogers twice watson. wilson and ryan. I mean they got torched by those guys since then the lions quarterback seventeen points nick foles to dalton twenty-four bridgewater. Fifteen glennon thirteen. And you dave these. They held tom brady. Nineteen points. but we've talked about this a lot. He threw twenty three times. They had the ball for twenty one minutes. He actually had a passer rating of one. Hundred and twenty-one so yeah they've they've gotten better they'll have eight interceptions in their last six games saying that the bucks just a. They didn't have the ball a lot. Yeah they ran fairly effective. I'm saying that. Tom brady had a passer rating of one. Twenty so great. Yeah the lopata low fantasy points right was more of a product of them not having the ball and him not throwing much on the thing about it. Even david montgomery having great performances. The last two weeks. They're still throwing the ball so much yet so again. I think both guys are certainly capable of being starting fantasy quarterback this week. It's just a matter of your preference. Obviously four points for passing touchdowns. It's easier to go hurts because of what the rushing is has been and dave mentioned that the the opponents for the cardinals have not just getting a lot of points rushing yards sued. Thirty-five rusher right Five mortar back against threats around thirty five or more to those russell wilson So he did it twice but still they give rushing yards. So there's a lot to like about jalen hurts and again if you wanna look at it as okay. Trubisky gets minnesota jacksonville hurts gets arizona dallas. They both have good opportunities to look ahead to the future. You just the only and they both fall into the same category if they struggle. There's probably not a a a long leash free. The guy you know. I could see them getting both getting benched at this point. You know the fact. That doug peterson i wouldn't commit to jalen hurts shows you. He's not a thousand percent on board. He's probably nine hundred percent onboard. But obviously we know what the bears situation has been where they've gone to nick foles no when when they struggled so it wouldn't surprise me would be the guy bench during the game if they had a really really bad before. Are you starting. Philip rivers over to bisky and hurts. Yep no okay yes no how. 'bout kayla murray. Yep yes i'm gonna make sure i'm phrasing this right I'm going to give you a guy you tell me if you'd start him over trubisky and hurt. So yes you would start tyler. Ben rothlisberger over trubisky and hurts. No i currently have rothlisberger. Once one spot ahead of hurts and hurts one spot ahead of trubisky okay. tastes them hill against kansas city. He's in trubisky. I've got hill significantly ahead of all those. Wow okay all right then. Let's go to running back. Steve who are the top running backs. Jeff wilson and wilson's number one. If i lived next but he's more of a receiver than a running back. So we really shouldn't even be on this list gus edwards but he's eligible running back so we definitely but no one should use him as a running back. I mean listen if you just if you have crappy running backs and it's a pr league and you've got stud receivers than i get it And that that's really the end of it like if you can if you need him as a running back you can. But otherwise use him as a receiver and a flex. But he's set swiss army knife for your fantasy squad because he can pick up a lotta catches this week. Ito smith is next up for me. Just because he's a running back that appears to be the best guy for atlanta. But like i'd start him over frank gore and maybe a couple other like pete and barbara. I'd start him over peyton barber and that's really about it. He's a low end starter. everyone else. You're you're taking a chance on deondraye. Washington savant med. Just in case he comes back. Rashad penny in case calamity ensues and the pacific northwest and chris carson gets hurt again. What about what about sony. Michelle right if damian harris is out. how would you feel about sony. Michelle this week. I'd probably feel a little better about michelle than i do about ito smith so he would be third but it wouldn't be somebody that. Oh boy i get to start sony michelle that. No one says that anymore. Yeah so jeff. Wilson lynn boat in smith. Jamie also likes gus gus edwards second. Okay it's really out should be okay. Well gus gus edwards has had what he's not going to i think he's at seven carries two straight games. Okay he's playing about a third of the snap and they're to run all over the douglas so like in a pr league. Would you go for lynn. Boden or gus edwards. Okay all right. Wide receivers jamie. Aga- lured is number one. Who's who else after. I look at that hansen. Just brandin cooks out. You know he's gotten twelve or more. Pr points in back to back games in clearly. They're going to be throwing a lot. So you've seen enough from him. Russell gauge now. Too strong games in a row. Julio jones isn't coming back anytime soon at least the expectation Very good match for him this week. So i'm not a very a decent match up for him as we've seen the second wide receiver against tampa bay more times than not has been good so i like to set up for also gauge. John brown would be next just with the hope that he does come back hopefully picks up where he left off and then restart higgins be the other guy look at too tight ends. dave let irv serve. He's number one hit. He's got the match up against the jets. They've been terrible against tight. Nfc whereas second for me and then coal commit is my number three tight end and then if you wanna try and guess which dolphins tight end is the better wanted to go with between durham. Smyth adam shaking. Be my guest. But they're both gonna play a considerable amount. I don't know if i'd necessarily have a favorite one or the other. When you guys here during smyth derm side you think of mrs doubtfire chance that smyth dear not smith. Now now you do. Now why higby over gerald everett. Because i just think he plays more. I think he's just a little bit more involved in the offense in general shrager ever see mrs doubtfire. I have really funny. Actually my daughter's favorite movie. I would say it's one of the ten best comedies ever. Yeah let's go back to something. You tweeted last night. How do you think that that announcing group is good. Well look i was trying not terrorists right no. I don't think they are good. Adam likes every single monday night. Thank god they are so get witten look. This is what i felt about web. I felt he had very interesting things to say he was just very green. Needed some time to become a better broadcaster. But i thought he. He was smart and insightful. I think steve levy is a studio host. Miscast there he's fine. There are a little boring. But i think they're straightforward. They cover the game you know. There's there's no and this so much. They thought baker mayfield was trying to throw it to somebody. That was not there when he got his arm. Hit didn't understand what he was trying to explain to the referee's attention grounding if people are so people are so critical of you know who's great by the way you love everybody jonathan vilma. I don't know if you've gotten a chance. He for whatever he's good he's he's going to be a terrific announcer. He's great. you guys have worked with him. Right with bill murray. No no jon. Beason the other hurricanes. I thought i thought vilma came in for some for some. Cbs still might have come in once or twice. But i never heard of working with him what he did a draft so with believe yeah he. He's he's great they're fine. I just don't understand the background. Anybody else bothered by that. It's it's weird. It's like oh. I can't get passed stupid things that they say i'm with you adam. I saw it. We thought it was a weeklong. Kobe thing they're trying to figure out what's going on. And it's still thing i hate. It looks it. Looks like the. When i i thought i was like oh there must be like plexiglass in between all of them but there isn't it's like they have three. It's such a strange backdrop. It's so low. Budget come on commodity s beard. Dst's tight ends. We're herbs smith letter observe serve. That's hilarious neither higby and coconut for dave and jamie. Are we looking at well like you said it's not a great week of streaming options but the buccaneers just make the cut and atlanta's been terrible offensively without julio jones the patriots We know what. Bill belichick does two rookie. Quarterbacks in the dolphins are down almost everybody. Especially if there's no myles gaskin or devante parker or mike ezaki. I mean could be absolutely awful for that offense and then the cardinals I put third Their pass rush came alive last week and jalen hurts. Look very good but now there is a game of him on film so we'll see by the cardinals can make things a little bit uncomfortable for him as we know They're kinda strip down offensively as well. Do you think the cowboys have shot to put up some decent numbers on the niners san francisco without deebo samuel and potentially without ready moster. I think he got lucky with the cowboys last week. Which was a good call by you. and so well. What was the good call you said last week on tuesday to i forgot the cowboys and yeah but i kind of change my tune on it because i had them in the top they ended up being pretty darn good so i don't know if i dislike them this week against hands much much different than the bengals and the run game will be successful for san francisco. I'm not going to trust the cowboys cowboys. I really don't think they played such great defence last week. No they didn't bank just handed them. Yeah the bengals were were so pathetic. The cleveland browns just missed the sixty five percent cut. But are they ahead of the They have everybody sixty six percent. Rostered would be number one But i would also say a lot of people probably drop the dolphins with playing the chiefs. They would be number one for me followed by the browns. Okay okay and you know. The bills might be an option this week. Eighty percent rostered. Who are the kickers to get. Gaga's jets cairo. Santos gets the vikings and robbie goal. Gets the cowboys matt. Gay who cairo's. Why am i even writing. The sarah santos cairo santos and robbie gold. Okay you imagine. But the vikings of the most fantasy points cares okay. Vikings vikings and kickers bad. Mix baltimore forty. Seven cleveland forty two any takeaways from his game with jk about jk dobbins and kareem hunt you going to trust more in week fifteen dobbins against the jaguars or haunt the giants dobbins because of the jaguars. But it's close once by the time. The jaguars had a good run defense. And then then they face dalvin cook derrick henry and one other who was the other opponent in that mix was. I don't know someone really good but okay were you. Were you satisfied with a dobbins workload. They're only thirteen carries edwards at seven. No still not satisfied with it again. the got pretty lucky if if you started. Jk dobbins this week. He should be their main guy. They don't need to make them their main guy because they're happy with what they get out of gus edwards. At least we didn't see any mark ingram so the good news is we've gone from three running backs to two running backs bandages. Jackson is starting to run even more than he did before he add cove it. It's like the ravens realize all right. We're not gonna win on the arm of lamar jackson. Were just gonna let him do his thing. It's almost what every coach realizes when they've got a run first quarterback this marquees brown had three drops very frustrating game and then god opened for them. And then they threw that touchdown late. Yeah and it's jaguars. So he had six targets and lamar jackson through seventeen passes. Do you kind of feel like now. This was the first time Yeah i remember how many through okay but do you think that that markey's brown at least is kind of getting featured and should be considered this week against jaguars useful on the table for three receiver. Leagues you're gonna consider mama star guy certainly not npr. But i mean the matchups great and you know they'll take a couple of shots you know. He could have a a week. One twenty nine hundred dolphins game no restores multiple times. He could have a typical markey's brown game where he doesn't get targeted as much as you would like and doesn't kevin catches so you just have to understand what you're getting but he's absolutely play for. Dfs you better play him in your dfs. Lineups winsome k. And what do you think about the cleveland. wide receiver. Landry had six catches for fifty two yards higgins at sixty yards and a touchdown. They both had nine or ten targets donovan. People's jones had seventy four yards. And the who for what it's worth without. Also hooper had forty five yards on four targets. Dave what do think about the wide receivers here. I still think the browns want to be a run first team. And i'm not sure how much passing they're going to do from game to game so i'm a little nervous to start everybody. Not named jarvis. landry. I'm still okay with landry. Npr leaks low end number two wide. Receiver nick chubb is so good. He so good tremendous right. So yeah and again like higgins. Twenty eight percent rostered. I don't know realistically who's doing this but you could start him. Two weeks at the jets might be awesome. So i mean look we. We're probably not going to get kenny. Golladay back you know. Julio jones probably not gonna see him again deebo samuel was just knocked out for probably the rest of the season you know so there are some leagues where you're still chasing wide receiver or chasing flex options especially you know with the problem is like you know if this was normal weeks there'd be people that would be dropping some guys to pick up some guys maybe a week or two. You'd have some opportunities to pick up some players that you may want to. Those lineups are lock right now. So you know the the free agent pool is certainly pared down so by the time he gets week sixteen restarting the might be the best available option to so pick them up now before. He has another strong gaming giants. The question becomes like who's bradberry going to cover is probably not landry so he apparently they're very heavy zone team. I was disappointed that he didn't cover hopkins more last week. But i don't. I don't think he's shadowing anyone this week right. So you should have a good game. Higgins going to have an opportunity. I mean the target. Certainly been there for him so it's nice to see and By the way we should mention this. This is the time to play some defense right on your waiver. Wire take a look at your opponent's team and see what he or she needs and try to block him or her you do. Just don't make the priority. Make sure your team is taken care of i. It's so funny where your ethics lie. 'cause you don't don't people not carrying a kicker defense. What's wrong with after it's totally different. Now you're you're dumpy. Little play defense another famous. I don't illegal rosters. that's what i don't like. So you're not you shouldn't have an illegal roster at any point. Look say look if i have to come around on that. I'll come around on that. I thought a big on. It's different after one o'clock on sunday. Sure we'll talk on sunday. Comes your lineups illegal. What about why not. why not. Eight o'clock on thursday. Because you still have time actually if you're if you're his legal by eight o'clock on monday that or eight twenty on monday that's when you get on the site everything's different right like but on ours the set on most of our leagues if your lineup is illegal even sunday after one o'clock you still have time to fix it. You can make it right. Do you know why okay. First of all let me just say jamie. I think there's a big difference between playing defense a keeping your opponent ethics thing no. I don't think it's an ethics thing at all. I think that you know. I think that the question from a few weeks ago was how do you feel about somebody dropping their kicker earlier in the week to pick up like a running back or wide receiver and then waiting all week to make a decision dropping someone on sunday. Picking up a kicker then all the time all the time it's fine i didn't like it now. Let me tell you something. There are very few fantasy managers at actually do that. There are very few managers that go throughout the week without a dsp or without a kicker and just horde and then pick someone else up tickets yesteryear kicker up on sunday. I promise you if half your league or everyone in your league. We're doing that. People would put a rule in to regulate against it. The only reason why we don't care about it because so few people do it. I guarantee you. You would be freaking pissed if there were twelve fewer options out there because everybody was picking was hoarding and dropping their kickers every week. The only reason meals is. I lost my kicker. I'd blankenship is my blinken. Kicker anti blanket lost them. And i had to start somebody else. I started greg's orlando. It was just as good as bike you get. My point is an issue if more people were doing if you've got young way coup were one of the other nine teams in your if nine teams in your league. We're doing that and it just never happens. People don't do it. Dave dozen people. Just don't really do it. That'll do it every single week. Just you know what i do at the most is when there's news mid week and like last week there was a chance that ezekiel elliott wasn't gonna play against. Its natty random. I league didn't know who. I really wanted to cut off my bench my like my bench. So i cut my kicker. I cup lincoln ship. I should start doing that. I mean if it's if it's not illegal than i should do it. I'm going to do it. why not. Why why why put myself a disadvantage but very unethical is like the guy that will cut his kicker to go and pick up seventy s. Don't do that so that the other guy is forced to start a dsp. that stinks. Yeah that's you pick one s t. That's fine yeah right. That's going to happen and we're going to get questions about it so you can't allow that as commissioner you cannot allow a fantasy manager to and drop any player just to put that player back on waivers so he can't be used by his opponent. You know with the you know what i'm saying with the same roster spot drop at drop all these different guy. You can't do it. that's that's really wrong and there are also some leagues that charge for every transaction. And in those leisure you'd be broke if you started dropping kicker every week to pick up somebody right right all right. Let's do the drop omer speaking. Which tyler boyd and tee higgins. They got pittsburgh this week. Then they're at houston boyd. It's like an eight higgins is still a five for me. You're not starting them. You don't need the whole k. Ceedee lamb got San francisco and philadelphia next two weeks ceedee. Lamb ten and pr eight and pr. Yeah okay antonio brown and yep michael pittman then matt ryan ten. Unless you're in a deeper league can you don't like the quarterbacks are on waivers he's attend and that's pretty much. All i got for the dropoff meter. I think it's kind of a different conversation right now. Giovanni bernard is mixing gonna play this week. The matt geos attend for me. That does i can't trust him. He had super easy matchup. Any got bench fumbling. They wanna see what they've got with their younger running backs which i get. You're never going to start. You have been. Are you almost want your opponent to pick them up and start him. It was a question though. Do we know anything about mixing this week. Not no they start practicing all right. We gotta take a quick break here when we come back. We'll get back into the waiver. Wire give you some more names to know for the deeper leagues and even the shallow leagues guys. Philip rivers and Some of the wide receiver. James white could be interesting and who was going to plug just to make sure nobody leaves. Curtis samuel kikuchi guys like that. We'll be right back. Everybody elaine welter off. 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Let's talk about philip. Rivers is seventy two percent rostered. He gets houston. They are twenty-second against quarterbacks thirtieth in yards per attempt. You do need to know that rivers is playing through a seriously painful toe injury but he is playing very well also three Four games in a row twenty one or fantasy points so and we be five of us last seven rivers you as wanna talk a little bit more about this rivers. Verses hurts trubisky. I think dave you said you have rivers ahead and jamie do not dave gun. I think he's just the safest of the bunch. He's got a great matchup he's been consistent. The run game is going to do very well for indianapolis but part of the reason why they're back in the saddle the playoff races because rivers has been throwing the ball. Well so i would imagine that he. He doesn't have huge upside but he's safe as like a twenty two twenty three type of fantasy point quarterback and jamie. You'd go withdrew biscuit hurts. Yeah i agree with everything david said. I just think the upside certainly favors those other guys based on how their games will probably unfold based on what we've seen it you know so it just depends on what you're looking for like i would start rivers over rothlisberger. There's much yep safety with him. Then with big ben at this point so matchup. Great run defense is awful for houston so i could see this being huge week dante taylor as opposed to huge philip rivers. But he'll get his one touchdown to see. Why hilton for shore. Based on the track record of elton versus the texans and then whatever else he gets on top of that. I think we'll be fine. So yeah he's he's in that Twenty twenty three point range dave to set so a very good low end starting quarterback nestle. Which have you start rivers. Trubisky or hurts over to shawn watson this week now. Oh you would okay. What do you think about matthew stafford. Who may not play this week. We won't know until later in the week but facing tennessee. Twenty nine against quarterbacks we know their defense stinks should should fantasy managers. Drop her hold stafford drop. I don't think he's playing. It looks unlikely that he's gonna make it. Season could be over and baker. Mayfield coming off to huge games in a row jamie. Are you optimistic about him. This we at the giants. I think he's if you're fourteen sixteen team leagues starting those formats twelve team league. You're probably have better options available. Like i would start trubisky in hurts over him But he's in as rivers over him but in the fifteen to twenty group where you can get quality production. But it's it's we've seen at the giants. Defenses has been very good against opposing quarterback even as well as calvin murray played last week. Nineteen fantasy points so bakers on a nice role. This is a. This is a game where i think they'll have some success. Running the ball and the giants round defenses is typically played well but the browns offense is a different animal so i just don't see baker with a high ceiling like i could see him having a solid eighteen to twenty fantasy point game but i don't see him throwing very much. I don't see the giants offense doing very much right. And so i think it's not a great opportunity to trust baker mayfield and by the way jimmy johnson. Kyla murray dave and we talked about the kneel downs at the end that got him from twenty nineteen fantasy points. Somebody emailed that they won their league. They won their week on the kneel downs. So that's amazing. The other quarterbacks on the list for jamie drew lock against buffalo. Teddy bridgewater act. Green bay and gardner minshew new at baltimore. Dave who would your favorite bridgewater minhsiu. I've got lock at the top of the list for now but if buff if baltimore's secondary's beat up they're missing and smith doesn't make it back then you can make the case for mint you to be the best one of the three. That's it's risky like. That's it's the most uncomfortable been with a quarterback that we've talked about yet on the show today and let's go to the running backs then By the way no interest in dalton at san francisco home against san francisco running miles smiled interest. Well if you see cam akers you might want to pick them up. Let's just say that. That's me when i saw that number. Eighty one percent rostered for cam. Akers eighty two now. Okay do we. It was eighty one thursday. I'll tell you that. I guess some some leagues allow you to pick guys up. I guess Do we have any concerns about the matchup. For cam akers. The jets surprisingly have been pretty good against running backs. I mean there's obviously some concern because we've seen it you know for a couple of running backs lately. But i still think you've got to buy into what this rams offense is doing how he's looked. And what the upside has been for him. Basically the last month. Leonard fournette dave. How do you feel about him. If ronald jones is out at atlanta ronald jones is out. I probably be okay with him as a high end. Flex both non pr and pr. He's just he hasn't played very well. This season in atlanta's run defense has been mostly good holier or dan quinn. Spend can't well. Ekeler had a great game receiving that before they both author over five leonard. Fournette that is true. They're better than leonard. Fournette like leonard for. How would he slot in. He'd be behind. Jeff wilson yup. Yeah yeah how about ezekiel elliott. Or leonard fournette zeke. I probably go wow. I don't think he might not be but for not just isn't a very good player and i'm not certain that he's just going to get shoved into this big time role just because ronald jones is there doesn't mean he's going to get all the work that ronald jones had how about miles sanders sanders sanders. Oh i sanders go back to sanders. Benching him cost me in one league. We had a good conversation on. Hvac about this that it wasn't so much just that jalen hurts was opening different holes opportunities room as a mobile quarterback. They finally throw a ball game. Five targets four catches was nice to see for sanders which is kind of been missing the last two with the eighteenth hole touches anytime. He's going to get that much work. You gotta bind to right. And that's what was missing. Fourteen last two weeks coming into the game. yeah. I look forward to talking more about him later this week. His talk about his toughest opponents like his best games. This season have been against the rams steelers the rain. And the yeah. Because i'm using this week against arizona. Cardinals aren't but if he doesn't break off a big run that's like he's got three care about this yesterday. How many guys have had three carries of seventy four or more yards in a season. I love to know the answer. Third-country no he didn't last year. No no this amazing. They didn't have won. his long. Was like sixty three hours. It's just hard to have an seventy four yard run. Just don't get that many opportunities for it he's got to. You're trying to poo poo player. That has that you know i love. You wanna start a player. That as if he doesn't there the line is so bad. There are so many bad running plays for miles sanders. if he doesn't bust out a big run you could be looking at another low yard game and he does start a ton of work. I mean all right all right. Yeah you you can feel comfortable about what his role is in the offense now and you just illustrated what his upside is what i was thinking about this week. It's all my god. Am i going to start thinking about miles. Sanders is a top fifteen. Pick again next year. There's going to be so many people were gun shy good but phillies offensive. Line's going to be rebuilt. They're definitely going to address at this. Offseason they're going to get a bunch of injured guys back. I wonder if by next july. We're talking about miles. Sanders is late first round. Pick again dave and there will be people who cringe over as he's not going to be the first round. Just let me tell you. I hope he has the worst finish to the season. You can get them in get in every frigging league next year. Round tuesday safe spots around one. There's no chance all right. James white jamie any interests here. Yeah i mean you know damian harris. You're down to two guys at this point with sony. Michelle and james white and you know what sony michelle was the trust level in him in any stretch for the agency. So he'll be there lead russia but i think you've seen enough with his offense. None of them are are startle fantasy options but in deeper leagues. Mvp are could have an opportunity. I zack moss. Any interesting zack. Moss did get back to being the lead back and got the short yardage work last last week and he gets denver this week. Any interested in moss. I kind of do i like. I like the match. -able out against denver. They've allowed nine rushing touchdowns two running backs in their past six. If you include tastes until eleven. It's just a matter of will he actually get a decent amount of work and a chance to score at the goal line and so for that i would consider him a flex at best but he does have an opportunity this week so we go to the guys who are actually available in a lot of leagues. Wilson is our top priority this week. Lynn boden gus edwards the andrei sunny michelle. And then you're looking at you. Know ito smith. Maybe savan akhmed and just backup running back. Sony power guys like that. But what are you guys. Expect from lynn boden. so he's a pass catcher. he's eligible at running back and wide receiver. He had seven catches for eighty two yards on nine targets against the chiefs and that was obviously with a bunch of injuries. The patriots are thirteenth against wide receivers. That's kind of what i'm looking at. Here's how they do against wide receivers not running backs and they see the second fewest wide receiver targets in the nfl. So anyway what do you expect from limbo. If he's the top wide receiver option for the dolphins. Then he is a number three running back veteran. Pbr than non pr and a number three wide receiver. Okay speaking of wide receivers. Let's take a look at the wide receiver. List t. y. Hilton would be a major priority. Seventy percent rostered marquees. Brown curtis samuel kiki t and tim patrick. These are guys that are seventy percent rostered or more hilton. Hilton's number one right by far. Markey's brown curtis samuel. Kiki cutie and tim patrick. Are there any jamie anyone in that group that you're not loving this week Or these liking. I mean aside from hilton. None of them are must start guys. But they're all in the number three receiving okay so then nelson agholor chad. Hansen is is their day for you as our big drop between galore and anyone else hansen gauge john brown lynn boden and it's byproduct of who is playing and how has been doing and type of upside that he carries like. Maybe you could make the case. That chad hansen is like. I don't think you can even make the case that he's safer he might be as good as galore on us. So-so game npr but has way more upside the way that he's being used in vegas. I got one concern about agwu although now let the raiders aren't great but the chargers really bad lately. And when the raiders win they run run run. They barely throw. And that's when. I go really struggles. Do you guys share. That concern a rushing touchdown in three straight games. Charges have not not to run. But yeah well okay. Sorry jamie will we say no. I'm with you. I mean i think you see how this game could potentially on fall where you know stupid josh jacobs and i say that only because of his dumb tweet or instagram post from this weekend but it should be a game. Where the raiders aspects of the ball. So adler is a good number three. Receive everybody's not in mostar hanson's got fourteen targets in two games. Gets the colts. The have been struggling against wide receivers lately. Looks on paper. Like a tough match-up but they bureau also got yet. He did in darius land. Got hurt which you know. It's just bad for the defense. In general john brown. John brown was awesome while he was playing. I don't know if he's gonna play this week but might wanna get him. He's forty one percent got matt collins for deeply. They're actually some decent plays in deep leagues mac. Collins had nine targets with the dolphins last week james washington's coming on a bit and he's at cincinnati. Keelan cole was not bad with gardner. Minshew for seven games of the season. Mvs caja handler aj. Green and i wanted to throw out. Danny amendola see if you guys had an inch i it would probably depend on stafford. Pr guy yeah. He's facing tennessee. Anyway mentioned taryn johnson. No that was yeah. It was another guy. 'cause kina now and mike williams are both are. It's our johnson. At six fifty five and a touchdown and he played seventy four percents of the snaps last week. Clearly was the next man up behind mike. Williams and the raiders. Defense is atrocious. Found my captain for the thursday night game. Yeah so who are some of the deeply guys that you'd be recommending ron. Johnson who else johnson would probably be well behind boden and hanson johnson would be next up as far as guys that are like widely widely available. Like you will find them in your league. Collins for sure is based on what the opportunity is for him. James washington seeing seemingly passing chase claypool in terms of point time how deep you wanna go dancing five year. That's five networks any interest in chenault these number ten how. 'bout gabriel davis about. Say john down three straight games. I didn't give you the davis tied to giambra. Okay the guys on the same thing all and then we go to tight end. And we didn't talk about. Logan thomas seven percent roster like this week against seattle. Yes if alex smith quarterback okay seattle okay. They've been good in their last. Two games against tight ends. But that was mccoy and sam darnold throwing the ball before that they were horrible they had given up fifty seven yards touchdown in seven straight games too tight end three touchdowns in their last four to tight end to end. Thomas just has a big chunk of the offense now. He's getting targets every week. Haskins was looking form earlier this year. I think he's he's one of those types that you can look at and say okay. He can get four catches. He's got a decent shot score touchdown. Maybe he gets forty yards on top of it. If mike kosinski were available and we're playing would he be a start against the second best team against tight ends the patriots who've allowed us to look face. Dan faced kelsey kittle andrews. This year and waller yes especially. If parker's out this is the guy. They're taking away no he would not be a starting Data abbas will be a starting option to was looking for him in tight spaces. He's obviously someone that he would factor in. But this conversation is even worth having because plan less than a hundred percent against. He's not planning already. Sounds like he's got like a serious week to week injury right. That's a guy you can drop all right. Well it was a fun conversation anyway. So irv smith gets the bears. They've allowed sixty three yards or a touchdown to a tight end and six straight games. Before last week a dropped touchdown so that should be seven straight games. Irv smith your car. Rudolph without you started but he definitely pick them up. Jared cook jamie has on here. Kansas city it's been horrible against tight ends lately. Yeah it's it's it's a stash candidate to because if you do get drew brees back in game abdur cook around tyler higby breezes and playing this week no right so could be like a solid start this week with pill but he could be a great start this week of degrees back. Can i confess something between us. Go sunday up this upcoming sunday. We have our final home team. Watch party presented by lows on twitch for the entire. Cbs late game. Which is chief saints. Probably going to be the best game that we all year hopefully We interview people couple of former players. We talked for three hours. We have a lot of fun. I really want taste hill to be the quarterback instead of drew brees i. I'm fascinated. i i like him. I think he's going to be good. People are crushing him. As if he's a ten year veteran. Like i know he's old but he's making his fourth career start. I think he's shown a lot. I'm just very interested to see how he does. And i don't know there's just so much intrigue there i've been enjoying the ride watching taste pill. Yeah you got expose a little bit though last week. not play. well no no. You're right he didn't he came. He came back strong a little bit the end. But i don't know. I find i find it very fun. He's he's like choose your own adventure. Every time he drops patterns for sure. Yeah so i tyler. Higby has the great matchup against the jets and coal commit with a good match at minnesota and he had seven. You're right to bring up gerald everett. So if you don't get you know obviously a lot of people that play in and premium leagues. Or you're stuck. You know ever if he is available whatever reason could have a good opportunity. Yeah i think he's had more targets over the last two games than higby almost positive ten to eight fourteen targets in his last two games. That's that's wonderful. it's not bad. No interest in dalton schultz. Dan arnold if getting more targeted. Stephen talked about this point. You know you you gotta be some real deep league situations to be trust these guys. Yeah i i started to pare down. Some of the options right makes sense so obviously we should go pick up trauma. Golly right or nick vannett. Either one mic for that yeah. Buffalo has struggle against tight ends better the last two games and whatever that would be noah fant we'd be talking you know. I was thinking about that. But he hasn't played that many snaps and i was watching to see if milano was covering ebron for some of the game and i didn't see him covering him. I must saying he didn't play better to in this okay could be Dsp streamers the bucks the patriots. The cardinals the titans. The browns would be ahead of all of them. And who is the one you said. The dolphin the dolphins would be ahead of the browns. So the if you could find the dolphins you can find the browns. Go for them if not box. Pats cardinals titans. You like the bills at denver about the colts against houston donate them. Vikings against kogyo be a little nervous about starting them and kickers matt gay cairo santos robbie gold. We are out could show today. Thank you guys. thank you jamie dave. You want more waiver. Wire help checkout cbs. Hq noon eastern. You can watch it on demand and watch us on twitch tonight at eight. Pm eastern live from eight to nine which dot com slash s today. 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GSMC Football Podcast Episode 878: Unique College Football Tiers

GSMC Football Podcast

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GSMC Football Podcast Episode 878: Unique College Football Tiers

"Keep yourself in the loop of everything football under the golden state media concept's football podcasts. The latest news on and off the field be at college football ten. Sec big twelve pac. Twelve acc to the nfl with got you covered. Listen to the golden state media concepts football. Podcasts Thank you for to the gs mc football podcast brought to you by the gs mc podcast network. I am your host dj. Young's becker gin already man. I look spending exciting. Preseason that it has been a preseason is over and the. nfl season starts next week. There's a lot of things to talk about to prepare forward but this is a football podcast. Not in nfl podcast. So obviously gotta talk a little bit about some college football here man. I know i know a lot of people we focus on one or the other is very hard folks on both but here where we may favor the nfl. Definitely gotta get you some of the college fever with the to just we. Can you know have a little bit of everything going. Know who's coming in no who'd expect a noble we want for our teams of the future. Right yes i know. So that's what we're gonna do today I figured the best way to do. It is in tears. Found some good information on Basically who some of the best ways to describe the different tiers over nine tears in this episode And talk about you. Know where each team stands. So if you wanna was usually in the mix if you're one of those fans you graduated from one of those schools then you already know where you possibly are others. You may not know so see if you make the tier because i mean clearly college. Football is different than nfl nfl. Thirty two teams college d one a lot over one hundred plea teams so we'll see if yours make the top nine years all right so you wanna stay tuned for that of course in the news though i am going to just discuss a little bit of everything just was top of the news in the football world so you want to check that out before i get into it. Good morning good afternoon. good evening. This is a podcast listeners. At anytime anyplace anywhere. So i definitely love to cover all of desalinization screenings everybody. Let's get into it. Top of the news man. Something tough happened this past week. John harbaugh said on monday that it is a legitimate question to x. y. Running back j dobbins played in the preseason finale but he emphasized that the baltimore ravens are among the teams who play their starters. The least dobbins suffered a season ending injury in the opening. Drive at On saturday thirty seven to three win over. Washington tore his acl Ladies and gentlemen as devastating injury for any player anytime any point in your career especially in year. Two when you're about to go do a big Asked what he would say to fans who wonder why dobbins was in a game. Harbaugh said it's a fair conversation. Horrible den noted that dobbins had only played twenty three plays with a total of ten touches in three preseason games he said there are other teams who play their starters extensively including some of the afc north he also was quoted but there are other teams. That don't play their guys at. Aw they don't play their starters for one snap. We are probably as close. So that as we've i know we're farther down the road than we've been. We played our guys so little. This off season is just being how we've done it but anytime guy gets hurt you ask yourself those questions. Harbaugh said he believes Gus edwards entice and williams will fill the void left by dobbins But he pointed out the baltimore. Was you know you know. They use a a running back by committee approach and will spread out carries over three active running backs in the game. The other running backs on the roster are just as hill in nate Mccarey assay like any Injuries are You just have to approach it and overcome it all right so we're going to send our prayers in grace over the. Jk mayor really hoping he has a successful recovery and bounces back next season. It's always to hear When somebody has gone to injury reserve with something so severe before the beginning of the season man So yeah he didn't get played much. This was very unfortunate situation Minnesota vikings tiding irv smith. Junior will undergo surgery this week to repair meniscus injury He suffered minnesota's. Preseason finale versus kansas city are said we'll see how the surgery goes vikings head a team physician. Dr christopher larson is one of the best in the country. So we expect a good turnout. Zimmer denied zimmer. the coach Did not specify how long the vikings will be without smith but said he had not heard about a six to eight month timetable. specifically i guess that's the rumor. He said he did not hurt that. He said We'll just see where he is a lot of times. You can't really tell anything until you get in there. We really won't know until they get in there so another injury. That is a little costly to a team. Unfortunately typically recovery meniscus surgery could range from several weeks to several months depending on whether it's a similar You know something. That is a simple to fix or you know cleanup process or if it's just like a complete fool repair Depends on all of that. Smith played eleven snaps during friday's loss to kansas city. Though it's not a parent when he suffered the injury during the game that three year tied in was interviewed on the field during the television broadcast in was made available to the media on hand at airfields arrowhead stadium. Minnesota is down to tyler. Conklin brandon dillon zach davidson in. Shane's lester at tied in a in. Several of those players are not expected to make the fifty three man roster so will not really sure. who's gonna start yet That's gonna be kind of up in the air. The vikings had two tight ends on the field for four hundred forty five snaps in two thousand twenty which ranked them third in the nfl. For you know how many snaps that titans are involved in. Even though minnesota's offense is typically predicted You know predicated really on tight. End usage the vikings may have to make a systematic change obviously Conklin who has been rehabbing for from a hamstring injury and is not practices. August sixteen is expected to be back in a full participant in practice on monday. So that if somebody that they can have to help them bounce back. Hopefully i guess we will see and in you know in more unfortunate news for a team. A colts quarterback carson wentz provosts in a ryan kelly in a receiver zach skull had been placed on the reserve cove. Nineteen lists this past weekend. The three players were placed on the cove nineteen lists after coming in close contact with colt staff member who tested positive. The players can return in five days if they continue to have negative and remain a symptomatic the fact that the three players were placed on the list as close context a is an indication that they were not vaccinated for the corona virus as per the protocol vaccinated players who would be placed on the list for a positive test result Could be fine all right. When during training camp weather he was vaccinated win. Said that's a personal decision. So you goes goes. The colts have been hit hard with players placed ongoing nineteen th. Since the start training camp they moved gara quinton nelson off the list. Just monday after he was in close contact with somebody who takes the positive left tackle. Eric fisher who is a recovering from his torn. Achilles was placed on cobra. Nineteen lists argue twenty six quarterback. tj carry offensive. Lineman julian davenport defensive. Lineman al queda muhammad and cornerback. Xavier rhodes had all also spent time on lists. Hey coach frank In defensive coordinator. Matt tested positive for kobe. Nineteen at different points in training camp. So just tells you that. It's just a tough place to be up there in indianapolis man. It's a lot going on up there. Hopefully everybody staying safe though at the end of the day Yeah that's all we can really ask for. The cold have had one of the lowest percentages of vaccinated players in the. Nfl is something that you know. Irks the owner. Jim artsy of before the start of training camp. I guess he's really trying to get them more vaccinated. Hopefully he said last night You give vaccinates as the best choice. All choices have risks There's no question in you. Respect the personal choice that people have out there for their health but it just makes the most sense. I don't think you could take this topic to harvard in yield debate club. And whoever got the side of arguing that vaccinations the most intelligent and logical thing to do at that point. I don't think you could argue against that. There is always a risk everything in life but getting vaccinated is the right thing to do. That's what he man look. Let me say people make some funny analogy sometime. Just you talking about a debate team using harvard and yale like that is quite entertaining. 'cause i doubt he has ever probably watched it against him. It's just that how many of us have watched a debate like that. And if you have kudos to you a i like that. I like the interesting things like different things. So don't come for me all right. The new york giants traded defensive lineman bj hill and a conditional twenty twenty two seventh round draft choice to the cincinnati bengals for defensive lineman billy price hill. Twenty eighteen third round pick out of nc state did not play in this past. Preseason game against the new england patriots with the trade in the works The giants had been scoring the league a scoring the league for scouting the league. More so for offensive lineman helped in recent weeks price. Twenty eight thousand. First round. Pick provides the giants with some of the needed depth on their interior Offensive line. He has played center and guard in the nfl. So he's kind of a dual threat there. The giants recently signed veterans head. Lar- who as a free agent. He started in the game this past week which shane limits so Still dealing with a knee injury so you know that's why he got to play but Price has played forty. Two games with nineteen starts since entering the nfl. He'll twenty six years old. Has seven point five sacks and one hundred sixteen tackles in forty eight games seventeen of which he started. He started twelve games his rookie season and that five point five sacks then settled with the rotation on the difference of line the past two years the giants price home the bingo selected with the twenty first pick in two eighteen so for the foot injury in week two of his rookie year. That forced him to miss the next six games. He returned for the final eight games reclaimed his role as a team starting center however in twenty nineteen in under new coaching staff price lost his starting job to trae. Hopkins hopkins was given a contract extension at the end. One thousand nine season. Well that's how we got here. Ladies and gentlemen next up gonna talk about bail. Gotta talk about a couple of quarterback situations really just altogether eight am across the board with this one through. Nfl and through college. So let's start with new england. Well new england patriots coach. Bill belichick isn't ready to name his starting quarterback for the regular season opener Which they play. September twelve against the dolphins bill said no. We still have a lot of decisions to make He said that after twenty. Twenty the twenty two twenty win over the giants for this final preseason game veteran cam newton started on sunday. An played two series with The starters ricky mag jones relieved him in play deep into the third quarter. All with the backups. That could be a tip off on the direction villages leaning The first round pick in jones is preparing however you know however if olds apparently now of course he did say back in some time. Bill that is that cam start and everything. I guess this this is keep coming up because With matt josh plan a little more time than cam newton. You see more from him. He's being successful in cam actually had an interception in this game But mac is being a good sport he said like i always say i'm focused on today. I think there's a lot of stuff. I can clean up. I held the ball a little too long on some points today. I work on that. But i'm here to play any role. I can play help in any way. I can and i'm going to be ready. Whenever my time comes. that's fair. He finished ten of fourteen. For one hundred. Fifty six yards with one touchdown in no interceptions as i mentioned noon. Who was to five for ten yards with one interception. No touchdowns was not made available to answer questions after the game. He hasn't addressed reporters since the kobe. Nineteen protocol misunderstanding. That led him to miss three practices in mack. Jones was going off obey Something else that came up was Exit i learned at a young age. Just prepare like the starter you don't have to be the starter but a get into your routine. That's something coach taught Talked about today. And i'm gonna be ready saw him. I believe let's see. How do jones finished the preseason. Thirty six of fifty to three hundred eighty nine yards with one touchdown known exceptions. He was sacked four times in this finale finale after having been sag just once prior to it so hints. Why he mentioned that he's holding the ball too long specific for their reason. Okay so that's going on patriots quarterback situation. Let's go to some college. Football will takes his brand new head coach steven sarkissian. Sad redshirt freshman quarterback hudson card will start. For the longhorns season opener against the number twenty three rain louisiana by casey thomas who was other competitor going for that started position will also play so he plans to start a will. He plans to start card. But also play thomas he said At he added that he will reevaluate the competition for the permanent job after week. One so i guess he wants to get you know some real action in there see how do almost like a preseason before he makes that decision at the end of the day Both guys are very competitive as you already know. I mean if they're already going to a school like texas in obviously that's why They are where they are competing. Gotta be good all right. What's another school needs to discuss alabama. So who they choose well. The inevitable became official as top rank. Alabama named brice young as it starting quarterback this past weekend and he'll be starting in their opener versus number fourteen miami young. He's just a sophomore in former five star. Prospect spent last season as backup to mack jones who was selected by new england patriots. Obviously a first round. So he's out of there so they gave young opportunity to step up as freshmen young appeared in nine games including a national championship. Win over ohio. State all told he completed thirteen of twenty two passes for one hundred fifty six yards and a touchdown last season. During the course of the off season it became clear. That young would be tabbed as john. Successor alabama coach. Nick sabin often praised young in placed him with the first team offense in the spring game. So i e this was coming. Everybody knew and a one more school. Wanna talk is a michigan. They also had to make a decision michigan. We'll start junior. Cade mcdermot at a quarterback for saturday. Season opener against western michigan. That was announced by jim. Harbaugh hisself harpo labeled making nara as the warring starter before creek. Preseason camp opened and the junior has only strengthened his position during the post the past month. mcdermot appeared in four games last season and started one past passing for four hundred. Twenty five yards five touchdowns no interceptions. That's pretty clutch. i mean. jj mccarthy Takes take transfer. Alan bowman and sophomore. Dan of larry all had been competing with manera during camp for the starting position. He's the one that stood on top now for those who were not paying attention this past weekend and never watched the news and only tuned into football related activity. There was a hurricane. Came through guys. it affected Louisiana kinda came off the coast like he usually does the gulf coast and You know affected some things. So of course. Some players in some schools have to move around and get their practice on so saturdays. You know oklahoma to lane college. Football game has been moved from new orleans to oklahoma. Because of the aftermath of hurricane ida bo schools announced this just to make it clear to lane was set to host number two oklahoma on campus. A yeoman stadium a shelter in place order for tulsa a two lanes Campus remained monday morning. As the university damage assessment and recover team began their preliminary assessment The greenware football team has relocated to birmingham alabama where it will practice throughout the week before travelling oklahoma. It was an extraordinary Difficult moment in you know for the people louisiana so we definitely see in our prayers and kind wishes for speedy recovery in a all hands on deck to make sure everything is well out there for you guys. Saturday's game is the second of three game series between the programs which play Played in two thousand seventeen at oklahoma and are set to play again in norman in two thousand twenty four The two schools have agreed to work together on identifying a date in a future season to make a losing game in new orleans according to what they are saying about moving this one Due to the short notice of the move in the inability to assemble a full staffer the game. Only the lower bowl of oklahoma memorial stadium will be used for fan seating to lane will remain the home team and received proceed proceeds from ticket sales. So i guess that's the all the rules in the makings is gonna come in with all of that all right now. That covers the new news. We're about to do right now. Is take a quick commercial break comeback. And we're about to start this tier lists by the talk to you guys about these teams give you a little information on Don't come in here which feelings 'cause you fill is mind get hurt if you don't have a top to eighteen your team's not top eight. The affiliates might get hurt about woody land so stay tuned if you wanna learn about some college football or if you wanna learn or your team is all right. We'll be right back. Are you looking for help for your fantasy football team. Check out the gmc fantasy football podcast. Get today's best advice on buddhist. Start who to sit. Even you should draft from sleeper picks. Red hot lineups. They got it all covered for you. That's gsm see podcasts. Dot com backslash fantasy dash football dash. Podcasts we'll cover traditional leaks dynasty. Cpr even dp leads when you need fantasy help. There's just one showed up. Don't forget to like on facebook and follow them on twitter visit gs amc podcast dot com for more info May and we bet all right. Thank you for your patience. Let's get to it what we are talking about here. Today are college football teams worthy enough to be discussed. If we're being completely honest now granted is about a hundred thirty relevant teams relevant schools in have football organizations But i'm actually going to talk about nine years. That covers about thirty five teams. In all so sense you can look at this as being top thirty five teams with the highest chances of making it to the chip all right. Now i'm gonna start from the bottom. You know like start from the bottom you skip ahead to go find out who the top which are probably obvious. But i'm gonna give you a little hint. I was going on He's not gonna tell you what tears they are in. And what specific order. But it's going to give you an idea of where we're calling this all right. So when asked last month about the possibility of a twelve team. College football playoff coach. Dabo swinney of the clemson tigers was blunt in his disposal. A little too blind for me but he said our team isn't for it they don't want to play more games and to be honest with you. I don't know if there's twelve teams good enough who dabble not ask some goods right there man just cause you play the same teams all the time in you. Beat them and they're known to be good team. Don't mean that you can't get caught by some of these other teams. Look i played on before you know. There was a little bit of a struggle with teams. You expected to beat. That could be the case but he says he doesn't know if there's twelve good enough how many are there. Well certainly more than current fourteen field That goes to the playoffs. Eight to be specific day. Most people are discussing those eight clemson alabama oklahoma ohio state georgia notre dame take zane and texas entered the season with at least ten percent chance to reach the playoffs to allstate's playoff predictor. Let's give more specific. You have texas am at twenty two percent notre dame. It's when he three georgia at twenty five percent. Ohio state fifty nine percent oklahoma. Sixty six percent alabama seventy two percent clemson seventy eight percent so that's why i dabbled smelling himself. They had the highest percentage of making it to the playoffs right now. The next artistic is will pass the playoffs. What is there the championship so what. It was the championship national championship Best chance to look like well. Yeah it takes aim at three percent how we got to present. Though george four percent ohio state at thirteen percent oklahoma at eighteen percent alabama. It's seven percent and clinton at twenty eight percent. Okay so there's the teams that you should expect some more at the top in a certain category but again we're not doing this as tier one tier two tier three now. These tears are a little bit more descriptive of what we need to expect from these teams that are involved any right art. So what is the title of the ninth tier. It is titled. So you're saying there's a chance that's tear here these teams you could say have a chance. Those teams are louisiana raging cages. Ucf nights appelation state mountaineers. Cincinnati is the group of five best hope at a playoff contender I know that's not who i mentioned here. But we're discussing them okay They're the best hope. And while even that is a long shot. Scenario is not the only one in addition to the talent was separated. These group of five teen from the others below is that there's at least one statement game on their schedule that would help limit Legitimized their case. Okay what if they beat in. Acc champ along the way or a big twelve champ. Yes it's a stretch but louisiana opens the season at texas in while. Espn's fbi gives the rain caters only eleven percent chance to win. They did pull off the upset and ran the table and takes his win the big twelve. The committee might have to you know. Pay them some attention. Okay like the happens. Got pay them. Switching louisiana would also have a win over would would likely be a ranked appalachian state team app. State has done college football before the michigan. But this time it needs to win at miami on september eleventh. Espn's fbi cues mountaineers. A twenty point five percent chance to get it done which is higher than louisiana versus texas. So that says something i mean. It is michigan offense. But hey there's a chance if that happens along with in october. Twelve win at louisiana. Follow by a home win against costa carolina. Yes i know. It's a little bit of long chain there but they would be in the hunt for a new year's six bogue if miami were you know to pull off its own stunner in win the acc. Well it will be able to be another historic win for the mountaineers and an interesting decision discussion in the comedian meeting room is what are they going to do about that. And they want to come to the ucf. They could also impressed. The selection committee with a friday night win at louisville But it won't carry much weight if the cardinals aren't ranked the bigger winwood more ugly. The cincinnati on october sixteenth. The more probable in result with that though would be elimination of the acc in the playoffs entirely. So there's a couple of different ways that that would have to go in order for it to work out for them really. All three teams is a couple of different levels. That have to be. I guess graduated in order for them to make it to where they're trying to go all right. My next year up. We have the tier called spoiler alert. Who falls under spoiler alert. Will you have your highly drafted nor western wildcats than we have virginia. -tic hokies pittsburgh. Panthers ole miss rebels in auburn tigers programs. That aren't playoff material right now but are still disciplined and talented enough to derail team. Okay northwestern coach pat returns only eight starters the fewest in the big team. But espn's fbi still gives the wildcats better than fifty percent chance to win every game except the trips to michigan and wisconsin. If northwestern can win in ann arbor Ann beat At home there's a great chance to walk. Cats are heading into the november thirteen game at wisconsin defeated which is a statement the acc coastal division is again wide open and while north carolina is the rising star. Both virginia take an pit can be trapped a trap games. I mean Pit host the tar heels on thursday night in november End the hokies will become. I mean we'll welcome. Unc to lane stadium for the season opener. Which will be the first time since. Twenty nineteen th unforgiving. Home crowd is back and full effect. So that's going to take you know some some that they feel when they get the sec. Though all miss coach lane kiffin might have one of the most explosive offenses as returning quarterback Carroll could be one of the best in the sec the rebels defense will need to make a major stride for a complete game. Auburn is similar. To ole miss in the expectations is facing but also a year behind entering a coach transition with a brian carson. He Inheritance veteran quarterback bonex which most people are familiar with though along with fourteen other stars including random. Back tank. big. The entire offensive line is also coming back so they have good chances of san. Hey you didn't see come in but we won't get this up next up. We have the title of this tier. Have stranger things happened. Meaning you got to kind of think about it is like there are some strange things that could occur but can they get this strange. You know. I don't know if they can get this strange. It can it now. The teams i fall on here are the utah. Ut's which we know are usually in a conversation with some star athletes here there. They just never have enough to get them there. Tcu horned frogs another respected organization that has players but just never get their arizona. State sun devils oklahoma state cowboys again. Same ordeal in. Nc state wolfpack which is usually a team that everybody wants to root for usually looking fine and then somehow find a way to fall off. We'll see if that happens now. Let's talk about the romance here because it's all about the roadmaps there. These are your true long shots. Like these are really. The ones are talking about. Spoiler alert sinologist. We're really not expecting much of that really ever happened. These are the ones that are like right outside the bubble where it's like. It's not supposed to be believable. But if he told me. I guess i wouldn't be surprised. These teams that you know nobody is talking about that. Have the potential opportunity. This shake the playoff picture with a few miracles. Along the way course. Nc state has nineteen returning starters but it also has one of the most difficult schedules in the country. Clips is hardly a clemson is hardly the only obstacle as the wolfpack traveled mississippi state on september eleventh in have crossover games against miami and north carolina arguably the two strong teams in the coastal division. So you want to count them out but if they would upset all those teams oh you cannot ignore them to today upset. Two of the three. You can't ignore them. Utah knows what it's hates to get into the playoff conversation but it needs to learn a win the big games in order to stay there. Arizona state is a talented team that returns ninety five percent of last year's production ninety five percent. That's all the production. Yeah the highest total in the pac twelve at that enforced in bs but the program is under. Nc double a. investigation regarding recruiting violations including hosting recruits during extended dead period because of the pandemic. So he was like forget which i'll talk about. We still don't bring them in here in make the one come hang out with us. It's unclear whether they will. You know that will impact the team though at tcu. This might be gary patterson's best team since two thousand seventeen with eighteen returning starters. The horned frogs half to win on the road As trips to oklahoma oklahoma state and iowa state will determine their success. Not easy wins traveler. No travel they also need quarterback max dugan to stay healthy for oklahoma. There's no shortage of motivation right now against texas in oklahoma is there got to play both of them and like i said these games are not going to be easy. They're going to have to pull out the big guys. They wanted to pull out things from everywhere they can to recap these teams that i have named as far in these bottom three tiers appalachians appalachian state mountaineers. Ucf nights louisiana region. Cajun's auburn tigers. Ole miss rebels pittsburgh panthers Virginia tech hokies northwestern wildcats utah. Ut's tcu horned frogs arizona state sun devils oklahoma state cowboys in nc state with pack. Now who would you give your last dollar to bed on. Make it to the playoffs out of those teams. Let you get your vote in kind of think about it. I read them johnny ideas. Whoa for me are gotta go with northwestern wildcats They're second in the big ten west As where they are ranked Their schedule i feel like is not that bad for them. Like they're open up at a michigan state on the third a then they go over to Indianapolis state then duke then. Ohio michigan ohio. I mean miami. Ohio nebraska rutger michigan minnesota iowa wisconsin purdue illinois so what are going to be the hardest games we'll obviously msu. It's gonna be a tough think they'll fly through the next three games maybe four. I mean three to five because four is the question of a one with nebraska. Nebraska has been missing a lot lately but You know you don't ever want to necessarily count them out. But there's a good chance if they beat michigan state on opener than they can be undefeated for at least today. Got play a michigan. They play michigan in october october. Twenty third an nba game could be a really good game in. I mean if we're being honest michigan's kind of used to coming up short. They are so. I think the real challenging games after that point we'll be minnesota at in illinois last game. That's gonna be a make or break. But i mean of course at that time or are you talking about playoffs so i think northwestern being that they are bringing back all these guys being day are usually have the talent this might be the year. It's hard to ignore them. But we're gonna stay tuned for that obviously and see. Would it takes all right. So we're gonna take a quick commercial break when we get back. We are going to get into the next three tiers so stay. Tuned will be right back. Tired of searching the vast jungle of podcasts. Now listen close and here this out. There's a podcast network that covers just about everything that you've been searching. The golden state media concepts podcast network is here nothing less than podcast bliss with endless hours of podcast cupboards from news sports music entertainment fantasy football and so much more so stop lurking around and go straight to the golden state media concepts pie task network guaranteed ville. That podcast is whatever it may be visit. Www dot gs mc podcast dot com. Follow us on facebook and twitter and download us on itunes soundcloud and google play and welcome back alright. So we've covered. I three tiers had the bottom. If you think your team is not as good as the first would tend that i've already named or a little bit more then Yes they didn't make the stimulus. They are probably somewhere in the bottom. Two that are below that have about twenty five teams each. Which are the low low in the unnecessary discussed as of now because they would need the miracle and even if they go undefeated they still need Some proven i dunno some proven games to go just kind of like what happened with cincinnati. You know last season. They clearly won the games and they wanted to have that opportunity to compete. They just didn't get it. You know when it's only four in the playoff semi just gotta have some by people. Sit out the team six. That beat big name. Teams like florida in others. But they didn't beat bama so they couldn't get in there all right. Now there's a little foreshadowing so stay tuned on. What's gonna come before but if you recall. The last tier that we discussed was have stranger. Things happened in. It actually is a play on the tier above which is stranger. Things have happened okay so saying that. This isn't too far-fetched this is right in the bubble right on the edge though just saying that if it happens i mean who knew but stranger things have happened. We've we've seen crazy situations then. These individual teams making it Into the playoffs for the championship. Whereas the ones that i made before this the Recap of Utah tcu arizona. State state in nc state probably not so which teams are in stranger. Things have happened. What we have. Indiana indiana wisconsin. Florida has in florida. Gators washington huskies. I were Hawkeye's texas longhorns. Hip texas you down. Here are their way down here above a couple teams but not close enough. All right This is a group of the top twenty five teams. Nobody should be surprised to win. Their respective divisions or in the case of texas earn spy in the big twelve title game. All it takes after. That is one upset against the conference heavyweight and any of these teams is suddenly in contention for a semi-final spot. Yes there are. Three big. Ten teams listed in the league should be better. This fall from top to bottom as twenty. Twenty was disaster for several reasons. Considering that indiana was on the brink of beating ohio state. Last fall in upset is in conceivable especially of quarterback. Michael pinks junior can stay healthy. We have a lot to talk about their now. We gotta watch these games guy. We got to watch him closely. We got really analyze. How coaches the coaching. How to players are plan according to espn fbi. Wisconsin has the second best chance to win the big ten at eleven percent. The badgers have a forty four percent. Chance to win the west. But i will might be a sneaky good team with running back tyler. Goodson returning now. If you haven't seen tyler goodson run didn't go ahead and google while georgia is the heavy favorite in the to win the sec. East florida's second at twenty percent of chances of winning it. They gators must improve. -nificant -ly on defense because they couldn't stop him last year and we'll have to replace the offensive output that college traffic alpes put out. There's just not the same team anymore when you take away. Those two huge names really. I don't know why they respect and somebody else tells on that team but Okay texas in washington are a little bit more okay The longhorns got an overhaul with hire a coach. Steve and are talented enough to make it to the big twelve title game. Even though they don't want to be in the big twelve but they also face a lot of questions with new quarterback in coaching staff washington. Would it be you know representing the pac. Twelve north Last year in the conference championship game in coach. Jimmy lakes first season at the huskies. Being able to fill the team now. They'll have a new quarterback while still trying to figure out their identity and that's just where things get a little shaky. So i mean i guess if i had to choose one from stranger things have happened. I'd have to go with is is gonna it's gonna hurt me status but i'm not picking take his hat yai thought you're gonna pick texas and i'm not no i guess i gotta give respect. Even though with the switch change. I mean i can see possibly happening dependent on really how georgia treats itself but florida. Mike get a chance of battling there which gives me high hopes. That florida has a chance to beat georgia. That hannam has a chance to beat. Bama and then we could see a florida taxonomy rematch. Sec championship wouldn't that be nice But that's the tier. let's go on. Let's move up the next tier blue. Bloods blue bloods. That need a lot to go right all right so this is a step up from stranger. Things have happened. We're getting closer to the center of the circle. Just one more step the teams that are salad. They are well known. They just haven't been getting there lately. They all been there at some point in time. As a matter of fact one has been there very recently but they need a lot to go right especially based off of all of their seasons last year. What teams those well. Recent history has plagued these programs to the point where they have been overshadowed and in some cases dismissed completely when it comes to the national title conversation. Those teams are the lsu tigers michigan. Wolverines pins Nanny nittany lions miami hurricanes and usc children. See all the lsu usc miami statement. We got nothing bad to say but they just have not been respected. When it comes to the championship talks. The brands inter dishes are still powerful enough in the recruiting world and the coaching circles though they can lower enough talent to make a comeback. The question in on top of that win. Usc is an arguable. You know is in the best position but it's still looking up at oregon in the pac. Twelve pecking order of. I mean an must Reverse three game losing streak against notre dame the roster is losing with down. These guys got plenty of bodies out there in california you know is second best for athlete after texas That's the you know that that statistical you can google it Which is why. The pressure is mounting on clay. Hilton to do something with it. Have penn state who is coming off a season in which it finished below five hundred for the first time since four crazy. The sense within the program is that it was in a nominally but the offense will have to improve under first-year off as a coordinator. Mike risk but your name a little bit there and quarterback sean clifford will have to cut down on his big ten leading nine interceptions last fall. You don't wanna be a wince. Michigan was just two to four last season. Two wins four losses and the quarterback position has been at the heart of the wolverine struggles. The task this summer is to name a starting quarterback and develop him into a consistent accurate passer which you paid attention earlier. I told you who it was. He going to get it done. Lsu well they failed on the field and off of it as investigating reports on the university's mishandling the title nine complaints ultimately resulting in coach ed or or garin Being added as a defendant in a pending lawsuit earlier this month quarterback miles brennan had surgery on his left arm. Leaving max johnson as the undisputed starting heading into this fall was mad at good last year. They came off an amazing season a year. Before with joe borough in squad but due to kobe i mean like i gotta do here do the. Nfl kinda got astra last year wins. Who who's actually success will just like as in the ones that which is really absurd. You know having pins dago under five hundred. Lsu being so bad as they were people not been having team to be able to even field. It's a unique situation. So when we look at these blueblood teams lsu michigan state miami usc. I guess you gotta admit that despite all the off field drama. Lsu still possibly has the best chance of having the best team but possibly not the best situation michigan. They somehow put together. Like you said quarterback situation has been an issue definitely need some help. Turn things around. Will they be able to do so is the question. And that's all of them. Okay we will see. Our and the next tier is needed. Twelve team playoff now. These are teams that you can. Almost guarantee would make the playoffs team playoff setup and there's only two teams here but i have plenty of detail to share with you on why they are here. Those two teams are oregon ducks and the notre dame fighting irish. The pac twelve has gone sixteen straight seasons without a national title sixteen. That was the last time. If i'm not mistaken that organ. The longest drought among the power. Five conferences and that trend is extended to continue this fall or expected to at least according to the allstate. playoff predictor. Oregon has an eight percent chance to reach the playoffs trailing nine other teams That could change. Quickly of oregon can win at ohio state in week. Two but the ducks have only fifteen percent. Chance of you know winning according to fbi. Like i said that's always the scenario. It's always liked it. I don't know why. But i guess we will have a chance to look into where they are going to make adjustments. Possibly in order to compete. But i mean look is luli going to be at their feet okay. They just have to make it happen. If oregon doesn't beat the bug is finish as a one loss. Pac twelve champion. It might not have the resume to unseat another contender with the same record or a second. Sec team you know. The sec is favored regardless. It's heavyweights over there. Straight heavyweights oregon would need to hope. The pac twelve has several teams in the selection committee. Top twenty five because wins against fresno state and stony brook would won't cut it. That's not gonna happen under proposal for eight. Twelve team playoff. The six highest ranked conference champions Would earn a spot in the field. A more forgiving system. That would at least give the pac twelve champion. A shot for sure. Notre dame should again be a top twenty five team but the irish are adjusting to a younger group with a new starting quarterback in new defensive coordinator in marcus freeman. Who spent the previous four seasons in the same role with cincinnati coach. Brian kelly recently named wisconsin transferred. Jake coin the starting quarterback for the game at florida state on september fifth While the irish committee. I mean continue to embrace their independence. The lack of a conference championship game leaves them with one fewer chance to impress the selection committee against a ranked opponent. Notre dame knows the best way to reach the cfp college football playoffs in. This system is to go undefeated. And that's a tall task. This wall with a younger team lined up against wisconsin as soldier feel cincinnati. Usc in north carolina. Okay we just not going to act like a walk in the park. We gotta be real with ourselves here. Somebody's going comfort throats under the toil team proposal though. The irish aren't missing anything without a thirteenth game as they could get in on a consistent basis as one of the six other highly ranked teams as determined by committee. So is this a balls usually would be on their court for sure they would have to miss it for themselves in order to make if it was twelve but right now it's four literally. All they can do is go undefeated in which they have to beat some top teams as in wisconsin. Usc north carolina cincinnati. And don't be surprised. If he's not wisconsin or usc that beats him. I'm just saying all right. So are these two teams best chance. I gotta give it to oregon. I've always liked oregon. setup. offense You know some speedsters out there and obviously they have some really really cool uniforms. You know you just sometimes you gotta lean towards the uniforms you know depending on is dressed best say if you look good feel good you do good so they feel themselves one day in looking good then they might do some damage all right now. Let's do it as a whole oregon. Notre dame lsu michigan paint state. Miami usc indiana wisconsin. Florida washington huskies south. Florida gators washington. Huskies Hawk is in texas longhorns. So you're already know are nardi selected the teams from each one. So i think the one out of all of them is oregon bringing one you know making making pac twelve an interest yet again. Possibly maybe. Just take notes ladies and gentlemen. You'd never know it could happen in the of finger the whole season change for everybody. Just that quick. So that's something that Will take into account man. i mean. let's just talk about organs Scheduled though as i mentioned You know for for the last segment talking about who each person sees so we have them starting off with fresno state. The hardest game that they have on their schedule is in week two versus oklahoma state So could that be their one loss. Possibly they go against s. t. b. k. arizona stanford cow. Ucla colorado washington W issue washington state utah and oregon state very very tough schedule. Which means if they go out and win all these games. They went all for sure their mind you. They're starting off ranked eleven. They win all games except for ohio state. I think they still have a chance now. Number twenty washington. Who already said. I believe had the best chance at the bottom. Beat them then. Obviously they're editor now. Do i pay. Washington oregon. I'm not going to you. I'm actually favor tour washington even though they have the low ranking so right now according to the schedule they they played three ranked teams though state at four washington at twenty and utah. twenty four. Now give it by the time they play what rank that shoot ohio state might be ranked higher if not pretty much the same Washington could actually move up not short disarray statement game which can knock him down if they haven't taken any ills in utah. By the time they get some could definitely be unranked. Definitely all right. So that's where stayed on those when we come back man We're going to talk about the top three and as you can. If you've been keeping count. I say about thirty five teams not that many left not that many left at all so it ought to be interesting to see where everybody lands time for a quick break. We'll be right back. This is your ultimate stop for everything. Sports the golden state media concepts or podcast. Should i say more from the nfl. Melby the nba to mma. It's all in here. Golden state media concepts sports podcast. Listen are i love this thing up. Why don't we all right. It's time to talk about the top. Three tiers of college. Football teams in the mix. If you think they should be. Because i'm not gonna lie this tier right here may surprise some people so your team might have made it if you think it was better than all those teams. You ain't heard or lease in the mix with all those teams and you haven't heard it all right. Let's get into it this tier. This tier is first time hopefuls to win a championship. first-time hopefuls. those three teams that are in this tier. I will stay. Cyclones north carolina tar heels. Cincinnati bearcats. We can talk about cincinnati. Couple times here. They are in the top three tiers. Any power five team with the legitimate chance to win is conference should be considered a playoff contender in both iowa. State and north carolina are talented. Well coached teams with additional opportunity against What should be top twenty five nine conference opponents. The question is whether they can win those games. Iowa state faces rival. I was september eleventh and a win over. The hawk is could help iowa state edge out another contender for a semi-final spot. It decide cones go one in one against oklahoma Losing either during the regular season or in the big twelve title game North carolina. October thirtieth trip to notre dame could have a similar impact for the tar heels giving them a cushion if their only loss is in a close wine to clemson in the acc championship game. Okay of course. They got play clemson in the conference. Not going to be the easiest walking apart. But that's what the guy do is not unreasonable to think that the selection committee might consider both teams in the circumstance if clemson beats georgia but the tar heels needs to make the most of that opportunity against the irish though because wins against non conference opponents. Georgia state in wolfert won't help their playoff case. That just that's going to be like. Who are these guys. This which wants to work with not respect. George state or wolfert without the notre dame window. They'd have to win the acc for serious consideration which that means they would have to be glimpsing which. I don't know if anybody's putting their money on. I'm not. I need my money okay. I can't just be thought it away like that. Cincinnati has no margin for error but in undefeated season against the schedule. That includes back to back. Trips to indiana and notre dame would give the bearcats a resume comparable to those of other playoff contenders. You basically have to respect them. All the way like dane did that last year. They did this this year. We gotta start talking about this team. They're gonna start getting better You know recruits They're going to be able to start competing with the issues in the area. Okay So i mean that's that's just going to happen according to espn fbi. Cincinnati is the clear favourite with forty seven percent to win the american athletic conference again. Okay so he's still got that chance but will they do. I mean they have a pretty solid team returning But you know. Like i said it's not the easiest schedule Cincinnati they're ranked number eight. Okay and like. I said that a lot of that been there in the top. Ten helps a lot after what they did last season so they opened up at miami ohio then play Murray they play ranked seventeen Indiana and then go to notre dame who's rank top ten number nine play temple. Ucf navy tulane us f. sme u. e. c. you so they really got worried about their first couple of games a really those go feel like they don't have too many problems on the end although sleep on. Smu day usually little sneaky out their shots and my main court now gene up there. So maybe i'll start. Get some insights for you guys in order to share a little bit on what's going on with that organization especially if they're doing i'm definitely getting the t. If they're doing well we're we're gonna we're gonna have some updates for you guys that Tune into me for sure all right so yeah cincinnati. We'll see if last year was a fluke. Our just a really lucky year or if they going really bring it okay next tier up next year might make me tear up because we're talking about tier to these teams are the two that are the ones that people are expecting outside of the top. Ford possibly make it to the playoffs. But there's only one way that they can get there and it's in the name of the tier. This tier is candy. Beat bama yes these. Sec teams are. They take in order to be in the playoffs. They just have to beat one team. They beat that one team than their Guaranteed a playoff spot. Those who teams georgia bulldogs who are favored to win. Their division of the sec has played behrman sec championship and the team that shares the same side of the conference with obama texas in the mix struggled with him last year but they put up a good fight. Alabama isn't the only team in sec worthy of top for consideration but it is blocking the path to the national championship. The aggies have lost eight straits. Tie consider this in. Texas was past nineteen games. It's own into against obama and fifteen into against everyone else with the losses. The two losses coming from lsu in georgia between nineteen but other than that they want all of the game. They beat everybody we. We say that we have beat. I'm just trying my best in a pie guys but we have beat everybody else. We always a mix. We'll always ranked okay always ranked but for whatever reason which is can't beat their bammer team that one glorious year that we beat that that that that evil evil evil alabama team nine a real wages. They just always break my heart so they're evil. That's when we had done okay but this year it's a very good look like i was talking about cincinnati after what they pull last year depending on what happens this year. It's going to say a lot safety particularly in their i in the sec west the rain number six overall they have a pre t solid schedule. They just had to see alabama and shoot. They gotta see him right in the middle. So when when alabama enemies trust believe it's going to be a highly anticipated highly ranked game that's at texas am alabama has to come and beat texting him on kyle field. Have you played ball in texas especially on an october evening. Just no. it's an easy okay. I'm just letting it'd be known. Now that's exam. Jimbo my habits get this year but we'll have to see. We'll have to see as georgia coach. Kirby's moore has one at three sec east titles and has four straight top ten finishes but he has yet to beat nick sabin another personality escape skin heartbroken by that guy that saving guy something else. He is in good company Savings twenty three zero against his former assistance including taxonomic. Coach jimbo fisher. The aggies will have home field advantage against the tide on october. Ninth in a game that will likely determine the leader in the west division. According to spn's fbi alabama has a sixty six percent chance to win the west followed by ticks with twenty five percent. That's pretty cool percentages. I think that's fair. Georgia doesn't have to worry about alabama during the regular season but if it's going to win a national title georgia will likely face alabama in the sec championship game and maybe even again in a college football playoff final. It's not impossible. Georgia has led alabama at halftime in each of the past three games under smart alabama. Georgia have also both made the playoffs before at the same in the same season but if we're being realistic the ladder is the likelier chance unless taxonomy comes with that upstate exam. That upset the george guy and i guarantee you. If ain't going to be capable of beating alabama georgia will not have a chance of defeating is a simple math just okay. So that's this tier obviously for in this case. I need them to be bama this year. I don't know what i'm gonna do. I might affect. I don't even know if i'm able to come and talk to you guys after that game. You might not just depend on how the game goes. You may be able to just not chicken for the week. okay. I might not have the strength to come and talk to you. Guys okay it. I hope i don't want that to happen. But i'm just look getting emotional already. Just stick the heartbreak How we're going to be good this year. We'll talk man. I'm tired of seeing our usual going five and no air by keep talking about why i don't know because you know any big star. Hyping yuga up Heightened the guys. That's what things start getting a little sticky sticky situations. I want us to get out there and want jimbo to being man. Come on man. We pay a lot of money. Jimbo you paid a lot. In and of course the top tier top tier is what we call the usual suspects. So if you were to take a guess. I'm sure you can guess at least three of these guys alabama crimson tide clemson tigers. Ohio state buckeyes oklahoma soon. How funny would it be if oklahoma. What if if you're oklahoma fan. You're waiting entire tom you like i know we're at the top i know where top then you hear these last two and you're like wait way like last one you're for i'm not in here i swear like i don't know you got my reported me. Maybe that's what i should did. Just maybe got you guys to finally leave me. Some views are four. Schools have combined earn swinney of the twenty eight semi-final spots in the college football playoffs. And they're the favorites to do it again. According to espn's football power index so the fbi. Nobody has a better shot to win. It's conference than ac's favorite clemson at eighty one percent it's not the tiger's acc opponents that will present the greatest challenge is the season opener against scc east favorite. George which we all go into that game. I will look big chilling watching that game while the tigers can lose that game in still reached the play offs especially georgia goals to win the east. They would have to avoid upset along the way or in the acc title game in a playoff spot wouldn't be a guarantee without a win against georgia. A one loss clemson might not have the resume dependent on what other power five conference champions do. And what happens in the sec. 'cause you know. They're getting squeezed to people very easily. A georgia win over the eventual. Acc champs would help catapult the bulldogs into the top four with alabama and his love. How we're just something happens up here. But i mean you can't help but do that and the expense Nfl expensive clemson Given the head to head result. That's what we could possibly see. Alabama loss is significant portion of his officer production to the nfl. Nothing new not to mention for offense of assistant coach is not the new hot will officially four but usually go go some places But the tide remain the team to beat because they're twenty twenty. One recruiting class was the program's second number. One ranked class in the past three seasons projected Starting quarterback bryce young will be tested immediately in the opener against miami. But the tide. Don't leave the state over the final six weeks of the season like alabama ohio state will be relying on a rookie quarterback. Cj stroud to lead the off. It's there's enough talent returning at a running back and on the offensive line. They always governor backed. Jesus christ and on the offensive line to help really Some pressure but coach ryan day. Alway a knows. They must be ready early with a tough opponent against minnesota. I told you don't sleep on. Minnesota really solid team Something that day said was as we head into preseason camp. This is something that is going to be very berry important for us because we start right away and i think the easy thing to do is coming off of last year is to focus on what would happen in the game at the end of the year. How do we get back to the national championship game. But more importantly this year is going to be how to. How do we win the first game at minnesota with a young team. We're going to have a young quarterback and we have to start the season really strong so this preseason so this prisons this preseason is going to be very very important us. We have to really come out of the gates strong in harden ourselves as we head into the first game makes it. Oklahoma has been the playoff for has been to the playoffs four times in seven seasons but his own four and the college football playoffs. They been off four times. I mean four times. Seven seasons all defeated. The sooners again are expected to flourish on offense but the lofty preseason expectations are because of the significant strides made on defense under coordinator. Alex grant. Oh you finishes fifth in defense efficiency last season and it's projected to again have a top ten defeats all good stuff as well as they have spencer rather as their starting quarterback who was projected to be the top quarterback going into the draft knicks draft up Lincoln riley head coach. Oh you says is hard to win the big twelve championship but okay is that why you're leaving is too hard Sure he said that at the twelve media day he said it's hard to get in the playoffs. It's hard to win in the playoffs You have to be adv your very best to do so which is true. He says we have a team that believes in themselves but also fully understands and appreciates the long tough road ahead all fair points now. We talked much about ohio state. But you know they gotta deal with a new quarterback justin fields. Nfl now but they still have the top receiver in the college. Football belief and You know they're still ohio state all right. We know what they produce. We know when it comes to production. Man you know is literally in that order of alabama clemson ohio state when those players are just ridiculous. Those guys at the half okay. That's really hard works all right now. We wrap this up. Wants to talk about some predicted ballgames. Now you know there's a lot of balls and you know so you know a lot of teams so there's a lot of different ways that they are gonna Circles are certain partnerships between conferences. And stuff like that. So that's how it set up and just kind of give you an idea of what you can kind of expect based off of some research says so december seventeenth. We have the bahamas bowl in two good chances predicted to be. Fau versity the ball state or toledo Curebowl which will be The same day as could be charlotte to lane houston university of houston where kentucky those teams could be in. The mix deserve eighteenth teams. That could be in the mitch in Mix for the roof claim dot com boca raton bowl eastern carolina memphis miami ohio miami appalachian state Cricket celebration bowl. Alcorn state of versus south carolina's state more than likely new mexico bowl Will be either wyoming eastern michigan. San jose state can stay rates technology independence bowl. It'd be byu possibly versus either marshall or louisiana tech Lending tree bowl could be western michigan. Mercy the arkansas state or georgia state jimmy kimmel label. We have boise state versus ucla. Colorado san jose state all those could be contenders in. That mix aren't ill carries new orleans bowl. Utsa who've heard his been a better team Be in the mix carolina Coastal carolina louisiana or marshall december twentieth. Myrtle beach bowl. Louisiana could be in. Louisiana could be an hour and can't stay in tulsa carolina coastal carolina as. We can see coast carolina's probably gonna be one of these ballgames december twenty first buffalo or toledo possibly versus san diego state. Charles smoothie cafe. Frisco bowl are awesome smu more than likely as what everyone is leaning toward in frisco texas. Where they you know. Stare spot at the toyota stadium possibly going against either north texas advocacy's or wyoming december. Twenty second single game of lockhead martin armed forces bowl. You have you the army versus middle tennessee or you december twenty third union home mortgage Guess berea bowl We could see troy. Virginia louisville south carolina december. Twenty four in the easy post hawaii. Bill now. I know you don't watch college football. You probably knows me ballgame I know just now. Just keep up with me here. We could see cow stanford nevada fresno state. Those are teams. That are talked about being a honolulu. Game december twenty fifth camelia bowl in alabama will be there be southern miss versus liberty or fresno state December twenty seven. Quick lame again guys these predictions. I'm not telling you this for sure. predictions december twenty seven. The quake lane. Bo purdue. Ohio ball state maryland military bowl presented by princeton. Nc state ucf louisville navy december twenty eighth tickets martyr birmingham bowl yet mississippi state versus the also. Uab surf pro first. Responder bill West virginia to lane university houston Air force Autozone liberty bowl As you can see as we get closer to the more stronger names here Autozone liberal be in memphis tennessee. arkansas versus ticks. take or west virginia. Be a good game. San diego county credit union holiday. I don't know why they just let people with these long names. By the naming rights but arizona state pit stanford and nc state could be there Guaranteed rate bowl. Baylor michigan state kansas state minnesota december twenty ninth way bowl of virginia memphis florida state. Ucf new era pinstripe bowl Mishkin boston college northwestern if they don't have the season as planned or virginia tech cheese at bowl games at people more familiar with Ohio state university miami or north carolina. Valero alamo bowl. Texas vs washington is what most people are guessing. On december thirtieth. You have the duke mayo bowl. Which is going to be kentucky. The versus pittsburgh or at virginia tech We have the trans perfect music city bowl which is gonna be auburn versus northwestern or indiana which is predicted the chick-fil-a Peachable notre dame's favorite. Here go against cincinnati wisconsin. Going to be a really good game. s r s distribution las. Vegas bowl utah. Indiana michigan arizona. State all right now. We get to the new year's eve. Games december thirty first tax layer gator bowl. All right be the first one that morning is probably more than likely have ole miss versus north carolina or miami. Then we have the tony. The tiger symbol and that could be. Ucla utah boston college or wake forest in predicted barstool sports arizona bowl central michigan boise state nevada miami ohio. Yes miami ohio. New year's day outback bowl. Lsu versus penn state iowa virgo the virgo citrus bowl Florida versus penn state or iowa playstation. Fiesta bowl could be. Usc oregon to examine him. Cincinnati teams rose bowl More than likely. Be wisconsin oregon ohio date or usc all in the mix their order to be in the playoffs. Trying to make it. They're allstatesugarbowl the game. You know trying to get in the mix there iowa state georgia tech's texas bowl could be out that that's the plate on january fourth. Tcu or misery and The red box bowl is still being determined on. Its date could be Minnesota cow nebraska or colorado right now championship games obviously so for college football cima playoffs going off the fourteen that are expected. It's going to be Capital one orange bowl is going to be alabama versi Clemson put it set up a rank wise in the in the good year. Cotton bowl classic would be Oklahoma clemson or georgia how that goes and then in the championship. When it all comes said and done i think we all agree that alabama has the best chance of being. There just depends on if it will be versus georgia oklahoma. Which pretty sure. Oklahoma has a better chance. Because i'm pretty sure the college football committee will put georgia Alabama against each other if there is a semi final is my guest but who knows so college. Football is in the mix this week. Mass gray games coming up this weekend. got alabama versus miami Unlv which is ranked number twenty three university of louisiana texas twenty one texas tech versus university of houston if you're into texas games. Lsu versus ucla Utah verses webbed. Taxonomy for a lot of great games out there man. Just turn the tv. You're bound But that's all you guys today. Thank you for tuning in yet. Again dough net. Forget forget to subscribe leaves commonly me some information. Just say you don't like me or if you like me tell your friends about it and send them the link. You can follow us on all social media platforms twitter instagram facebook. Gmc underscore football with do social media Me and my guys. We love having those conversations with the listeners in order to make our shows interactive all right. But until the next time that morning. good night. Good evening afternoon covering ali citations guys. I'm out peace. You've been listening to the golden state media concepts footba podcast. 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Episode 236: Silva Top 150 Changes -- Crucial Last-Minute News Fallout

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Episode 236: Silva Top 150 Changes -- Crucial Last-Minute News Fallout

"Has low and welcome to episode two hundred and thirty six of the official established. Run dot com podcast. My name is at eleven as always joined by. Evan silver and it is finally here in just nine days we will have actual regular season. Nfl football i am gaining momentum towards a full three point nine inches. Is that exciting evan. Good afternoon how are you. We're recording this on cut down day cam. Newton news came in earlier. It's been pretty quiet. Since then. But i think the deadline is at three. Pm central four pm eastern time today. We'll probably miss it a couple of important cuts but we got a lot to talk about anyways. Yeah we have a ton to talk about a time because there has not just been cuts. Which i think has been small potatoes. Compared to some of the landscape altering injuries trades. we got another look at preseason usage in week three tonnes you get to today. I know many of you are drafting tonight tomorrow. In the next seven days before we get to all that wanted to let everyone now our in-season content schedule is live in our team. Tab on the site you can see there everything we have planned. We have a bunch of new editions particularly on the defense tournament. Side and particularly on props you guys are into props. We are putting a major effort. Not just me but four or five guys on the team. In addition to me doing our best for props. If you're serious about playing season-long dabbling. Dfs looking to player. Props worked incredibly hard. And i think smart to give you the best chance to win. Remember if you have the draft kit only and you want to add the in-season product email support at establish the run dot com and get the bundle heart evan. We have been working diligently you have been slaving over the top fifty and the tears to keep up with all of the news with what we think matters. Obviously something that mattered was the jk dobbins unfortunate injury. We've obviously been very vocal about being low on. Jk dobbins we never want to win a feed through injury to see it for jk dobbins. I think what they're going to do now. And they have not added. Anyone yet is insert gus edwards into the one a role maybe bump tyson williams into the one b roll and have justice hill. Who's been nursing an ankle injury by the way in some kind of pass catching role. You now have gus edwards fifty first overall just behind the andrea swift davis james robinson but ahead of the josh jacobs trae sermon types. Let's start with gus before we get the other guys. How do you think people should be handling gus in drafts week. I mean i think that he's got a chance to run for a lot of yards Potentially double digit touchdowns. I think his receiving outlook is just as limited as was jk dobbins if not even more limited worse. Yeah yeah probably worse. I think he gets to twenty twenty five catches this year. I think that that will be nice. i think you you take that but i looked up his his russian prop on on draft kings. It's over one thousand yards. So i think that people are are definitely honor. My bet that the day after the day of that he that this news came out. He's probably going in the third round of a lot of drafts. I think that he belonged probably more in the fifth round because of those receiving limitations. But he's he plays on a team that is going to a lot of leads. He plays in excellent like maybe the best rushing environment in the entire league. So i get people being a little bit bullish on him. I think i do think he's getting a little overdrafted. But i mean i think he's got big time russian protects like he could compete for the league lead in rushing like. It's not crazy to think that you could do that. Actually looked at his his odds there. He's already at twenty one as of this morning. I'm not taking you know but Like people are on they. Very much like gus edwards. We saw that with how they handled him as an rfid restricted free agent. We saw them handle that by giving him a ten million dollar contract. They like him a lot. I think people are overestimating the rushing. Share gus edwards will get because if you give him seventy or eighty percent of the running back carries. That's a much different story than fifty five or sixty percent. I lean more towards the lower end. I still think they're going to use a committee. Why don't you tell the people who tyson williams as because he if you're playing. Preseason with us he was very very good and very very impressive in the preseason for us how much do you think he will play. And what's the background on him. It's really hard to say. Um the background on him as one of the most securities circuitous ways to get to the nfl. Than i've ever seen if you just look at his college profile. He started at north carolina. He ends up going to south carolina and then he ends up at byu. Which is like. I've never seen anything like that. He goes to byu he last. Four games you terraces a east plan pretty well. He tears. Acl after four games. After the season he rehabs must rehab like a dog out there man because he was he. He held personal pro day at six foot. Two twenty. he ran four four eight with six eight one three come. That is sensational for anybody. They waste two hundred twenty pounds. Let alone a guy. Coming off an acl. tear only six months removes So you know guys like this go undrafted. And that's what happens to him what the ravens are very analytical team and. I'm sure the he like you know they and they just punch numbers. And there's a big spreadsheet of athletic dudes that they wanna bring in for their undrafted rookie tryouts and you know. He probably registered near the top of their running backlist just from an athleticism standpoint. It take a chance on him and you know the a new risk chance on him and now here he's in position for potentially prominent role. They say that they're not going to go. Pursue any other running backs at this time. They brought in todd gurley in june. They said they're not going to pursue him so it does look like over sudden tyson. Williams has a chance at like twenty or thirty percent kerry share to begin the year. I don't know how it's going to go. It's just going to be based on performance. And i think that gus edwards securely the lead back and they're going to have to do something about this passing game situation because tyson williams you only had twenty nine catches in his essentially five year college career So he's got to get the most he ever had in. One season was twelve so he does not have on an extensive background as a pass catcher and justice hill. It sounds like he's dealing with a high ankle sprain. I mean he's been out to three weeks already. He why he would be the passing game guy. I think although i don't know if he could pass protectees he's a small a small i and i think they might look around for for some passing game. How justice also plays on special teams which will keep him on the roster. Yeah there's going to be some running back cuts here in the next few days and no matter what the raven say i think they'll be monitoring him the thing that stuck out to me was harbaugh said we are going to use three backs and so in the past used to other thing for me on gus last thing i'll say on it. I think people say. Oh well. Jacob dobbins was going the third or fourth round washington gusts go there at dobbins is far better talent than gus edwards and i think. Jk dobbins pass catching ceiling was a little bit. Higher forty catches would not have shocked me for jk. Dobbins would absolutely shocked me for us. Let's move on here to the other big news of the day cam. Newton has been released by the new england patriots. Mack jones has been named the starter. I think if you watch cam. Newton play last year. It was somewhat easy to see this coming. Lapsley love cam. Newton dude shoulder and foot. I think we're worse than he led on cam. Newton leaves behind an incredible amount of goldline work. Nineteen carries from inside the five yard. Line cam newton had last year. That was fourth most in the entire nfl behind. The ezekiel elliott. Alvin cook kenyan drake. So obviously damian harris. We've talked about plenty gets a big bump demon here is still not gonna play on pass downs. James white gets a big bump. These check downs from mack jones. I think are going to go a ton to james who was held exclusive. I team third-down reps. What's your reaction to mack. jones news. Have you made any moves on patriots in your top one fifty. I'm going to do the bulk of it tonight. But i already sort of anticipation in anticipation of this happening. Made mute moves on a few guys including james white. Last night also ramachandra stevenson is now a member of the top one. Fifty reminder extremism was obese. This preseason he can play in the passing game. I think that his presence in the backfield and how well played this preseason and the you know the movement out of new england of sony. Michelle that all bodes. Well for him quietly. You know. I think that these people that are going crazy by damien harrison. And look i. I understand being excited about him. I think they got a little bit more to be worried about than they think with rem hundred stevenson manny's he can ball anybody in if you just gets shot behind this offensive line. It's an ass kicking offense of wine like he's going to capitalize on it and then some james white is still there to take away. Pretty much all the receptions. In the backfield david harrison have the score a lot of touchdowns. He's one of these boxes playing gonna play on early downs and again you know what. What's the big difference between him and you know dust edwards and you know he. He's he's in. This sort of this camp with really begins like an archetype they're really begins with derrick henry and just goes all the way down the The the the fantasy rankings. Even into like the the ninth and tenth round and discuss i mean i. I don't know. I think that people are getting a little bit ahead of themselves on damian harris Because i think that this is at very least a two-man backfield and quite possibly a three man backfield that involves reminders stevenson. You mentioned are type. I mean exactly. Damian harris is not the type of arctic that. I like to personally draft. In fantasy. By man brandon thorny check his offensive line rankings patriots. Check in at fourth signed. The big too tight ends hunter henry. Johnny smith it's obvious they're going to try to play this power football airbnb. Nfl is trying to play. This spread pass game football. But yeah i mean. I think damian harasses. Adp is going to spite. Probably to a point where. I want him but yeah i mean. He's certainly strong play. I believe you have him. Seventy eighth overall just ahead of sony. Michelle who you mentioned by the way seventy nine over the last thing. I want to say on new england in these zero. Rv bills in full. James white was just like a no brainer in the thirteenth and fourteenth round. And i think that now people are going to see why james waken catch fifty. Sixty seventy balls no problem. I want to bring up sony. Michelle go ahead on james white off you need to know i was just gonna say that mac john showed a lot of Advanced qualities during the preseason. First of all. I mean he was so sharp and getting the ball out quickly and going on. I think the pf had him with six. Big big time throws as they Satirize them and zero turnover worthy plates which is impressive for a rookie in any setting and they also the patriots showed a willingness to play with tempo when he was in the game. You know when cam newton was in their last year they played really slow. And you know they were. They were very methodical. And they huddled up and i think that they're gonna be willing to play with tempo and going to increase their play von which. It's good news for everybody really. I think it's good for nelson aguilar. I think it has the potential to be good news for both of the tight ends. In four jacoby myers. Yeah i mean first team. All preseason was close. Gave it to tyler huntley at the quarterback position but mack jones was absolutely awesome and ramachandra. Stevenson was no doubt first team. All team preseason. We mentioned sony michelle. Michelle is now a ram. You have moved daryl henderson down to sixty fifth overall in that range with devante williams cream hunt miles gaskin. I think it's tough to get a handle on. Exactly how the rams are gonna play it. My concern is that they use sony. Michelle at the goal line. Where i kind of a lot of henderson's value was tied up a bit on a team that is going to be very good and going to run the ball near the goal line. So i've gotten the big cold feet on their henderson. Still see him go in the sixth or seventh round at times. I still think that's fair as the pass catching back. But he's now more of a kind of zero rb backed in a foundational back. I was really loving getting him in the fourth round before the sony michelle trade. I'm a little bit worried now so to michelle played pretty well last year despite all his knee issues. Where you at with henderson right now. Yeah i think they should be valued pretty similarly at this point. Would rather have daryl henderson. Because i think he's got a higher upside in terms of his pass catching ability on. But this was kind of the fear that i had right after the camakers injury that they would end up bringing another guy in an enduro henderson would end up being an rb to slash flex that you know that you just kinda. You're rotating through each week thinking. Should i play sort of like maybe even like a rich man's devon single terry almost but so f- but but then you know things happen. I mean you know Other guys got hurt in a. They lost raymond clay to the broken foot. You know the finger injury in practice for darryl henderson and it just kind of set off alarm bells. I think with the rams and the trading a decent amount if you read got jordan rodrigues report the rams from the athletics they could essentially get fourth round pick for the essentially could wind up giving up a fourth round. Pick for shelf which is a lot to give up for a running back at this stage of the process so they prioritize sony. Michelle and You're you're i mean he's got a of score a lot of touchdowns. Yeah yep exactly and you do have sony michelle seven overall right next to damian harris at seventy eighth overall injury that i think was a bit tough to swallow for us was irv smith getting this meniscus surgery so close that season he was had great usage in the preseason. I know tyler contemplate yet. But smith had really good usage in the preseason. I thought he was a steel when we were getting them in like the twelfth thirteenth fourteenth round now not only was his adp rising. but also. now. I think he's a tough hold in regular formats right like. How can you really hold a bench spot with a guy coming off. Meniscus injury at the tight end position and he's not even like an elite tight end. So i now. I'm having hard time even drafting irv smith in a home league or something like that. Because my god do i really want to hold a roster spot in week one two three four and i think our smith might not be back until october. I don't even know if i can hold a roster spot for him. So what do you think about irv. Smith's injury do you have any interest in conklin. Or how do you think the vikings are gonna play it either. Conklin like him in like super deep tight end premium weeks. You know where. He got ten bench spots. I think that he you can take them relate there but now it sucks i think earth smith is my high extracted tight end. I'm right in my most often drafted tight end so far this year so it it definitely hurts hopefully will be backed by like week three but it sounds more likely week. Four week five. And it's really tough to hold a non difference maker You know in all likelihood he's not going to be a difference maker. even if he was healthy. I think we were just hoping for you. Know maybe top seven top eight tight end stats would have been really helpful. A happy with that got him down a tight end. Thirteen like right next to evan ingram who also is dealing with. It's just like the thinness of the tight end. Position is disgusting at every man in energy. You're drafting maine like if you're still drafts in like i would prioritize a top seven or eight tight end absolutely because the cliff drop. It just keeps getting worse and worse. It's really bad. Yeah and i really did like getting irv late. It is tough to see you. I'm gonna leave. Think more about how because it's going to be a question on tire conklin because he's obviously to be stolen minimum salary in week one but i think we'll have more on that by the way i run of. Dfs projections in the season package coming soon. We'll be up by wednesday night. If you check the wednesday night ahead week one if you check the season package. We're already putting a lot of time into that. Hilton men was already looking good in the age model. I mean these speed receivers when they lose their speed and they get older. It gets really rough now. He has a disc issue and man. That's really really scary. Conseil he's out indefinitely. I could see missing the whole season. They say it's not a season ender but man. These things are really really complicated. They will almost certainly go. Now with michael pittman exact. Pascal on the outside paris campbell. On the inside pairs gameboy a lot of injury. History himself you. Now have michael pittman all the way up to eighty first overall right in that corey davis right behind. Corey davis right behind. Juju smith schuster. I've been drafting a lot of michael payment around ten or eleven. He's gonna start going much much higher now would think about the fallout from. Ty hilton's injury colts every year. There's a team two. It's usually the eagles that just like suffers a ton of injuries in training camp and they just start limping into the season. It feels like the season is already over. And that's the colts. This year i mean from carson wentz to clinton nelson to just almost every position group on the offensive line. The eric fisher. We knew that he was probably not gonna play early in the season. He's backup sam tabby tears. Acl yutz it Ryan kelly is even their signers now on the kobe lists paying. It's been an absolute nightmare training. Camp for indianapolis i bumped up. Michael pittman a little bit. Paris campbell is now. I think like in the twenties or thirties. And i think that this team is is gonna struggle this season especially early in the air considering their schedule in all these all the compound nature of these injuries but yeah i mean that's where i staying with them from a fan. I'm not super excited about either one by i could see fit in taken a big second year leap though. I mean that's definitely In his range of tangible outcomes. And i think the paris campbell is very draftable. Yep for sure. And by the way for the along on props you know like you start to see how the injuries you start to see. How taking ninety ninety five percent of unders can be so profitable not that. We're rooting for injury. But it's hard for the books when he sees props to account for the chaos for the injuries for the roster movies etc etc wanting. You brought up evan. Ingram editing hurt. His calf to i talked to jordan ron. He doesn't know exactly. It looks like he's still getting evaluated but doesn't seem too serious. They have ingram now questionable for week one can questionable for week one covered off his questionable for week. One i think barkley will probably be fine. But we'll see their slayton hurt his foot slash ankle. New third preseason game that sounds minor. Man they're limping into this week. One game against denver. I don't think we have any real takeaways. You've been way lower than market on kenny. Golladay for a while now. Same with saquon. So it's gonna be a tough spot for them against denver in week one. I don't think there's too much to say there. But any comments on the giants. Now do you know what the spread is on that on the denver giant's game having looked i really close like a month ago. I haven't looked but that gives us a chance to know that every lie are starting a show. This is not going to be behind the pay wall. We're not going to be a selling pigs. This is just going to be on to messing around talking about games and totals in lines that we like. Obviously we are far for professional sports bettors but the people have demanded it so much. And we'll have fun with it so stay tuned for that first. One coming thursday before week one on youtube. So only three point spread broncos giants. I mean i think the broncos way better than the giants for sure all right geo bernard getting into some usage here from the preseason. Every single third-down snap tom brady this. Preseason geo bernard has been in for. And i don't think that's whatever for gio i don't think joe's in your top one fifty but man. It's just tougher. Ronald jones and learn four net to get their when they're going to get zero zero. Pass down snaps. When tom brady's checking down so much they could still catch balls. Because tom brady down first and second down to. But it's hard to find a ceiling from me on ronald jones and leonard for not only will they split and ranjan started that game by the way learn. I came in after. I think they'll split early downward gio is going to be in there. I don't know. I know you've been lower the market on ronald jones. I'm glad i don't have much jones either. At this point they're going to need injuries. To pay off is the bottom line. I think right. yeah any. Even in those instances if one guy gets like still going to be a two million back still yet so Yeah i somebody asked. Discord wise giovanni bernard on top. One fifty outside you know. He's on the fringe. I almost put him in last night. But then i was like because i was i was trying to back. Fill the one fifty with just pulling out guys. That i really don't want you know the wide receiver sevens or wide receiver sixes. Or whatever you know tight ends out in quarterbacks you know bay. I pulled out baker. Mayfield for instance. I was trying to back. Fill the one fifty with intriguing running backs and i would rather have like tide johnson. Ben giovanni bar bernard right now. I'd rather have jd mckissick than you bernard right now rather have reminders. Stevenson upside Of reminders stevenson of course tyson williams. So that's kind of where i stand with giovanni bernard's in old passing game specialists. He's probably going to be better in that role. Almost certainly than was the shaw mccoy last year. But not going to be a guy that you know you wanna be. Starting a surprise was paramount. And i got this one wrong. I thought process. Perelman was really likely to lead the lions wide receivers in targets and be third on the team and targets beyond hopkinson andy andrea swift but not only they guaranteed perriman two million and then he couldn't beat out clear raymond and quintas scientists. I mean it's crazy and like tom kennedy. Like i can't believe that pyramid was that bad but man. That's what i get for trying to be a talent evaluator. Your looks like now they will start khalif. Raymond entira williams on the outside safest and saint brown saint brown likely in the slot. You do have tyrone williams in the top one fifty at one forty overall in kind of that flyer range by i was surprised by bershad. Perelman's getting cut. What did you think about it. And you have any interest in any of these other guys. Obviously tyrel is in the one fifty. Maybe people are excited about saint brown. But he's only gonna play in three wide receiver sets. I'm not how much how many sets we're going to see the writing on the wall was just starting to get there for Heard a lot you know. That's been a problem throughout his career. When he was in there he's probably dropping passes. And you know this old school. Coaching staff isn't gonna put put up with a bunch of errors for especially for a guy who's you know in the tub and so he didn't make the club because he spent so much time in a top. This is the worst receiver core. I've ever seen they just traded for trinity benson. I believe of denver. Yeah They i mean they're they're grasping at straws at the wide receiver position. Just it continues to point toward an offense that should be should circulate around. Tj hopkinson andy andrea swift whenever he gets healthy. Although you know the coaching staff hasn't shown a lotta love for andrea swift. And he's been hurt. He's another guy who's been hurt For almost the duration of training camp. I think if they come. It wouldn't surprise me. Jamal williams leads touches in week. One yeah yeah for sure. I think long-term andrea swift. It will be fine. You can get him in like round late round for around five times even in full. That's okay with me but not before that on d. andrea swift trae land scott a chip in his finger. I don't think it's a big deal. He's going to miss a couple of practices but it's looking more and more like the best go in the rotation in week one and at worst it'll be all jimmy garoppolo. The flipping has happened. You now have justin fields ahead of trillions and this is something we talked about last week where field looks like more likely to run this year than trae. Lance doesn't also maybe you could argue now. Justice fields also more likely to get under center before trae. Lance does big flipping now. A lot of people will probably not see this coming. I mean there was a time in. Adp not that long ago. These guys are like thirty or forty spots apart. Talk to the people bow fields over lance. Yes so. This injury doesn't sound too serious projects going to cost like a week or maybe ten days of but it does obvious Locks jimmy garoppolo as week one starter. I think and i think they're gonna use trae lance in package situation probably early in the year and that's going to be frustrating and you know you're going to be talking about our every week you know we're gonna talk about every week like using trailer is going to start this. Is this time coming. And if they start piling up wins again. The soft schedule doesn't work to the benefit of trae lance who works to the benefit of jimmy garoppolo. If they're piling up wednesday problems can stick with what they've been doing because it's been successful. So that's the concern. We're facing now with trae lance An-and with justin fields. I just you look at the early part of the schedule. you know. it's going to be andy dalton in week one at the rams but then a really good opportunity for the bears to move toward just field especially if andy dalton stinks it up in week one which probably will the bears go back home against the bengals. They can start awesome feel as their save for some reason the barest one is continue stick with andy dalton into game three which is at the browns which that's not going to be. That's not going to be nice especially for this behind this offensive line which has been swinging gate during the preseason are so desperate for left tackle at the signing jason. Peters who like. I feel like he's retired multiple times. These like he's older than me and then so that's going to be nasty at cleveland. And then week four they come back against the lions and that would be another opportunity. I it would shock me if they get past week. Four without inserting justice fields. And there's a good argument even before this This chip on the finger of trae lance the justin field should have been ahead of him and we starting to talk about that even before. The injury happened. Yeah and i think you know. I don't think kyle. Shane is going to rule out some type of rotation in game rotation between the two. That would not shock me at all. And that's gonna be somewhere to we built in weekly projections. Speaking of the forty niners so we finally got to look he most in the preseason finale where he started and got the first ten snaps. They took him out then. Trae sermon was in for the next fourteen snaps. I think it sounds like you've gotten warmer on most as it's gone along i was probably too low on most stirred to start. You still have trace urban slightly ahead of where he most in the top one. Fifty harry thinking about those guys. Now heading into drafts and sermon ahead of rahim oyster because I just think he's got a higher touch ceiling. They could get to a point where they're willing to give him seventeen to twenty twenty touches per game. I think they've learned their lesson that most can't hold up under those conditions whether he can be really really good as long as they keep a cap on his touches. I mean i. I've liked these guys all along. I mean i think they're rushing. Offense is so good that they could both finishes top fifteen fantasy backs. So i mean i'm even willing to draft on the same team. I know that that's often frowned upon. What in a situation like this. Where they get a five hundred rushing attempts trae lance gets in there like all of a sudden gaps are gonna open the the seas are gonna part and these guys are gonna rip off big runs and i think the most serious the lightning to the thunder of trace arm speaking of preseason usage running backs. We've got the i look at the jaguars backfield without travis in week. Three james robinson startling got the first ten snaps then. Carlos hyde comes in and get seven snaps. You have james james roberson forty seventh overall. I've talked about this on the monday. Pot a little bit. I like james robinson. He's clearly better in the past game. Then carlos carl's tide is very clearly urban meyer and darryl battles boy like very very very clearly but james robinson you know. I thought he was good last year. Not great there was so much of his value was just roll volume and he was getting one hundred percent of the running back touches in a lot of games for the jaguars. That's just not going to happen this year period but you can still get him probably in the third or fourth round. You have him forty seventh overall right now. So what do you think about. James robinson in the wake of this travis. Itn injury and how it settled after the preseason game yeah forty seven th overall is what like a fringe fourth fifth round pick. I've got him in there. Like with mike davis and gus edwards. And i think that that's pretty much where he belongs he. He has more receiving upside than gus edwards albeit in a a worse situation and then i think mike davis situation is better and mike davis has more Receiving upside than james robinson. And certainly gus edwards so. This is kind of like the the little tear that these guys are in anaheim. I i think that i i like them. I think that they you know. I think gusts edwards. Who's at the bottom of that list from me. That three men less is going to go The earliest in drafts and probably is probably the most overvalued. Just structurally for me. I don't often take running back there in that spot. You know typically taking wide receiver. Or i'm taking cow pits were. I'm taking you know a quarterback Like i so rarely taking running back there so just is what it is. I don't know if anybody cares about the texans wide receivers but for what it's worth brandin cooks and nico collins look like they'll be the every down in wide receiver sets but man. They played their starters in that third. Preseason game and i mean it was ugly man. I think you do have niko collins in the top fifty relevant. Now hundred fiftieth overall. Brennan cooks up at seventy. First of. i'm even scared about brandin. Cooks men like i'm worried. This dolphins just going to be so so so so bad so but people probably know a lot about nico collins. And i think he's maybe an interesting fire. At least the opportunity costs on nego. Cons is like totally free. Where you out with the texans wide receivers. I mean with brandin cooks. You're going to have to live with some some bag games. In all likelihood i mean. I do think he's going to be able to produce some spikes. He's got big playability. They're going to have to throw the ball to stay competitive The worry about as like them averaging fourteen points per game even if that like they are so i mean there is a there are thirty one teams and there's a gap and then there's the taxes i mean. It's it's that bad. You know. I think that even the lions are considerably more talented than are the texans nico counts interesting. I mean. he's another absolute freak from athleticism in size standpoint stylist Stylistically compliments brandin cooks real. Well but yeah. I mean you know getting getting them. The ball is going to be. It's going to be a challenge. I think we can weaken a week. I did put me collins. He's smack dab at one fifty overall in the top one. Fifty speaking of wide receivers and flyers. This guy's not even a flyer anywhere but marquess. Calloway screaming up in. Adp and you know. There's a wide range of opinions on marcus cowie athlete because there's a wide range of outcomes and go back and listen to the monday pot. I tried to outline the ball and the bear case on marquez cow you having wide receiver fifty hundred and tenth in the rankings. I'm not sure that he gets to you. At one. Hundred and ten people are really excited about marquette callaway after he blew up the preseason after james one the job after this michael thomas thing who knows when he'll be back now. They're saying they're optimistic. He'll be back week. Seven will see. But yeah i mean i. I don't really know what to think about. Mark has range about comes as so so. So why have you been trying to get him. Or what do you think about him. I mean you know. I liked him early in the process. In now i just think that you know. Every time i'm draft. Drafting goes three rounds ahead of where i probably take them I i i've been on him he's like he. He's a good athlete. He he's not like super fast But his other measurable are strong. He he's got some size six to five in college at tennessee. He returned three punts for touchdowns. That's a really good indicator as we've talked about like That they can accelerate the ball in their hands. You lead the sec in yards per reception. His final year at tennessee then he goes undrafted. It's like why did he go drafted. But he did pop a little bit In a limited sample he earned an undrafted first of all year earned a spot as an undrafted free agent in the pandemic year. Which in and of itself is really really impressive. And then he went on to make three starts and then in their in their playoff games. You played about thirty percent of the offensive snaps. I mean that's that's the that's an accomplishment. Considering how little practice time there was and how how how far he had to climb up the chart just to get there And now he's like looking at. He's in the driver's seat for the number one spot. I still think this quarterback situation is going to be a rotation play bowls. It's going to be really frustrating. But he's shown Preseason chemistry with jameis winston. I get it like i was talking to duane. Mcfarland the other day about him and mcfarland super sharpie plays a high-stakes leagues. He's like. I talked me out of him. I wanna take him in the seventh eighth round every time. And you know i i was like i'm not gonna talk you. I don't have them ranked that high. But i think you you can go with it like we're talking about the middle to late rounds and you can get bullish on guys there. Yeah for sure. Yeah i still prefer the guys like corey davis in that range over marquez. Calloway but i definitely don't have anything to say bad to say about marquez. Calloway either. Speaking of the saints. You drop latavius. Murray out of your top one fifty nine. The saints did cut devante freeman. Which is kind of as expected. This is kind of what i expected. The whole time is that devante freeman latavius and tony jones would continue their battle behind. Alvin kamara through the regular season. And it'll be who they feel like has hand who they think is better but it's really tough to draft either one of latavius or tony jones right now. Do you have any feeling. There are drafting either one the taser tony jones now now a mea now just tony. Jones is like a battering ram latavius. Murray i mean it's possible that he's lost stepmom. He's on the wrong side of thirty. I believe that this thirty up. Yeah and so It's it's possible to show up to camp. And he looked slower and why they were rumors about him. Getting a cut his he's sticking for now but potentially the number three yep Couple of small things here marquez. Valez scaling is into your top one fifty at wide receiver sixty two. You know only four targets per game last year and his catch rate is so low because his eight dot is so far. I mean he just runs down the field and he hopes to catch ball. The man it's hard for me to give him more than three to five targets for game for 'em per game for mvs still get trying to take fliers. We think about him. Why move him into the top one fifty. He's really he's a spiked week. Guy you know he's going to probably have three or four good games this year. Apparently been having a great game so and it's his contract year in. I mean we know that he. I mean he has this. This unique skill set allen. Lazard is a big possession. Receiver davante adams. You know you can kind of do everything you know. Randall cobb as the slot. Amari rogers as the red shirts law Another guy in the receiver core. That can do what mark has vowed is scant can do and therefore i think that he has like job security. You know week in week out. He's going to be playing a significant number of snacks because he can take the top off. Defenseman really have any other guys that do that last thing to touch on here last one. Is this bill stuff. You move zach moss down. He was your rb. Thirty four moved down to rb forty-three now. One hundred. Twenty eighth overall is moss. I mean the bills are like even in the preseason. The play the preseason let alone throw the ball on seventeen out of their first eighteen plays. I mean it's so obvious. They're going to be among the league leaders and pass rate speculation anzac. Moss is sharing with devon single dairy so like running back touches. be low. And they're sharing you. Zach moss down. It's fine it's hard to find a real bull case for either one. It's just it's it's almost mind-bending because running-backs in such a good offense it's typically and late rounds is typically like where we wanted to be but this is tough on moss and single terry where you out with them right now. At the bills last year led the nfl in situation neutral pass rate and like apparently brian day ball saying that they want to throw the ball. More so That's that's good news for you know emmanuel sanders as late. Pick cole beasley In theory at least on paper looks good and certainly stefan to be a consensus first round. Pick and even gave davis if one of the guys goes down like dave davis is probably a fantasy starter. If one of the guys goes down steph digs. Didn't play in their preseason finale. I mean was up against backups. Gave davis like shredded. Like they had no chance against gave davidson that. Preseason finale but is what it is are we set a lot here. We've said we even say it although because constantly there's more news were injuries. More trades more cuts. Evan we'll be continuing to update his top. One fifty with all the news. Be sure you check into the change log to see when and why he's making the moves. All of our rankings are updating constantly. Because i know you guys have drafts pretty much every night for the next seven days highly. Encourage you if you have not yet to pick up the season package. We're expanding our prosper expanding tournament coverage for and we will have all the usual things that you're used to as part of our season package again. Upgrading from draft kit to bundle email support at establish run dot com for producer. Luke four evan. I'm adam good luck everybody.

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Week 9 Recap: CEH, Zeke, Moore, Taylor and other Duds! (11/08 Fantasy Football Podcast)

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Week 9 Recap: CEH, Zeke, Moore, Taylor and other Duds! (11/08 Fantasy Football Podcast)

"This is fantasy football today from cbs. Sports play it's time to dominate your fantasy league. Now here's some combination of adam. Dave jamie benn man. We have some good games to finish these sunday slave. Dolphins cardinals cardinals had gone. For by the way cowboys steelers steelers should steelers kicked a field goal. By the way they shouldn't have gone for it and chargers raiders football. Take they should not have thrown a fe to donald parham but carter chargers losing a close game parham for the course. Welcome to the show. I'll go to this sunday night. Shit fantasy football today. Adam dave and he fear breakdown. Everything from sunday really looking forward today. Show good evening guys. I'm going to give you my big takeaway from week nine. Let you talk about it here. We go ready. They're put it on a license plate. I hate our. Bbc is hard enough to find good running backs that have all the touches are. Bbc is just not fair and it's very annoying. And what are we supposed to do about it. Isn't it though. Actually the most fair the the idea that we're gonna start off each game and whoever does the best gets the most. It's the Way to distribute touches right. Did it like that. But it's more like we're going to start off the game and deondraye going to do the best. But we're still going to give. Adrian peterson all these touches and even carry on. Johnson's going to get in the game swift. Had quite a few today didn't he. He did but not enough like thirteen carries or something. Why did adrian peterson a little over ninety yards. Which for a lions running back. It's pretty rare. Hey listen man. He should get all the time he should get eighty percent of. Of course he should but the coaches are trying to do what they think is the smart thing. That's keeping their running backs healthy. Well i'm all these coaches they handle a more of a workload dado. No and i don't know if they want to know most coaches data want to have that feature back unless they are absolutely sure the person in question can handle it. Well dave. I would like to have more feature backs. That's all i'm saying. We all would but the coaches are trying to ruin your fantasy experience doing it to try and save their jobs. Massachusetts gonna be able to do that. She's not running anymore. we're done. Just gonna throw all the time. They of patrick mahomes their perspective. That's like they're averaging like two and a half yards per carry last through three games. They run their guard. Play really hasn't been that great so well for them to move the ball that way. I don't know what strikes. It's not not as bad as the bears. Situation currently is but the also had a lot of offense line injuries and cohen situations and their their offensive line play. I mean it's it's amazing. They score thirty points every week anyway but their offensive line play hasn't been fantastic. Mahomes covers up a lot of stuff. Sure does and we. We'll talk about their thoughts on that talk about the best and the worst from today's games. Dj more was kind of a stinger. Santa it was great. Yeah christian. Mccaffrey was pretty good. That wasn't bad but let's by the way. I hope you're watching on youtube. Youtube dot com slash fantasy football. Today we have fun you know and we smile wave and i waved my arms around like a lunatic. Is it at all. Yeah but you can't really tell when he's wearing glasses like is oh they're off never mind. They don't wear glasses during the show wearing glasses during the show he well. They're not real glasses. And they reflect the Camera and it looks really really bad he does. I don't know how david off so it doesn't do that because my do the same thing. Okay news and notes news and notes. Couple things for next week you might get. You might get a bunch of players back. You might get where he moster. Might get deebo samuel. You probably are getting nick. Chubb and mile sanders as well. So that's good. As far as today went running back injuries. Justin jackson left after three snaps. Their at miami. He left after one snap and he played three snaps after. Okay you tried to come literally. The first play of the game was in. Rpo and herbert took off and someone came along and nail jackson low. Yeah well i was pretty p owed by a lot of people were. Yeah so. I didn't see it as home. Watch party resented by lows. We're watching the cowboys steelers game. Which was awesome but Yeah justin jackson didn't basically didn't play and you've got to be pretty josh kelley. And you've just got passed by. Caleb lage that's no good. Yeah i actually i think maybe joshua kelley is bad. He might be bad. Cannibalized did not look like kaylynn balaj like you guys remember when you were in school and there was maybe somebody in school. Who was maybe the geek of the school and you're coming back from summer vacation and the school looks a lot different like something changed with them over the summer. This is what's happened to kaelin balaj. He was the geek of fantasy football. Nobody wanted him. He was two yards per carry. Probably because he was coached by adam gays maybe a little bit more than that but he goes to the chargers. Honest to god. He looked like a physical. Tough between the tackles running back which. The chargers have an ad since. Melvin gordon was there. He's all that this is like he's all that you know the sequel. He's all that kayla was all that for one game at least i. Yeah yeah. I'm not gonna. It's gonna be an interesting discussion on the waiver wire. Guess oh he shouldn't be your top waiver claim. We don't know what's going on with justin jackson and whether or not it's a serious injury but i don't know this anthony. Lynn is another coach. Who clearly has a hard time making intelligent decisions because his team just can't win games and he's been using multiple running backs continued to give joshua kelley work. Even though joshua kelley wasn't very good at i don't know i think allen balaj was okay. He's worth waiver pick up. He's not the waiver pickup So we have duke. Johnson might be worth more of a waiver. Pickup david johnson left with a concussion. David montgomery also left an injury. Kyle allen's going to be out for a while and that could be you know turns sorry from a fantasy standpoint. Good news for jd mckissic. Because alex smith will not throw the ball more than five yards. Downfield could be good news for antonio gibson true not true. He threw it like twenty yards downfield to tear maclaurin right and then maclaurin somehow escaped three giants defenders and raced for a touchdown. Yes they're actually dave. It's really not that bad. I know. I know but on that play. They were miserable. Let's accept it. I mean it's not a good matchup for running backs anymore. what is it now. Six or seven games in a row no running back as a fifteen year old games like fifteen fantasy points. Well gibson eighty seven yards and a touchdown. Now it's great. It's a great matchup in terms of receiving yards. But there's a good run defense. I think i've been proven right on that okay. Preston williams left in the second quarter with a foot injury. Matthews gets a foot sprain could be could be extensive. Matthew stafford evaluated for a concussion and mike williams left on the second to last play nearly caught a game winning touchdown he left on the second the last play of the game. He's at miami next week. You can get back. Noah fant hurt his ankle early but he returned. I don't know how hobbled he was not have a great game in the great matchup against atlanta about ten players in the giants washington game had a chance to recover a fumble until one finally did. That was cute. Benny hill music. Basically evan ingram had two drops. One of them was almost an interception. Philip rivers fell down. It was sad and ocean highlights of the day it was joyous and watch over and over and over. And it's just it's so much fun so that better all laid out and try to tackle somewhat. It was though good. Yeah i mean it's not like he's seventy five years old navy he couldn't get back up he stumbled around and fell down and look silly. It was fun. It's how i would picture. Adam trying to make a tackle adam were put into an nfl game okay. So i'm just gonna we gotta move on but i just wanna say this. Get your thoughts. I think after watching a lot of that game the ravens colts. I think philip rivers is the worst starting quarterback in football who is not an injury replacement for different starting quarterbacks not jagannath years the starter for their team now garrick whatever he is. Yeah starting quarterback and football. So do you think you know more than nfl coaches collectively baby. So i if day maybe we did a poll of all. Nfl head coaches and said you for this year only not for the future but for this year only you have to start either philip rivers or daniel jones rest of year. Who do you think's winning that poll amongst nfl head coaches. I can tell you who will win it amongst nfl gm's just the. I truly honest to. God believe that it's daniel jones. I don't think. Philip rivers can make passes that quarterbacks needs to make he he was so bad today it was hard to watch but he was coming off a two very good games to statistically very good games shore and he. He was facing the ravens. Today's had as bad of a season as as you know he's had and i think the entire these team was terrible today. Dan not a defensive. Daniel does even had to bring him in this. I think feel because he's the worst quarterback in the nfl. It's not an injury backup. He he might be. I think he's better than the washington guys that might be the worst but rivers is right up there. Okay let's move on to believe it or not brought to you by heath. Cummings by the way heath you you have to separate your feelings about daniel jones from your feelings about me because you want him to be that bad but it clouds your judgement. So don't take it out on. Don't take it out on dan. Joe nice thing by judgment of daniel jones is irrelevant because he's not a someone that people need to worry about for fantasy purposes. So i could be one hundred percent wrong about him and it won't affect anymore. I guess that's true. All right believe it or not. Mark andrews is no longer a must start tight end three catches for twenty two yards on five targets and that is in his last three games. Twenty one thirty two and twenty two yards believe it or not mark andrews. No longer must start tight end. I think you have to believe this Like marquees brown was the one that got upset after their most recent game andrews just as easily could he has not reached sixty yards receiving in a game yet this season six of his eight games. He has three or fewer catches. Now this does not mean you have to sit mark andrews of the tight end or bust tight ends. He's the top dog but if someone emerges as a top ten tight end that we're excited about i i'm not gonna hesitate to say i. I've been basically in the projections. just mark. Andrews comes out as tied in ten or tied in twelve and i bump them up too tired and six because he was good last year. I am not going to do that anymore. So earth smith had two touchdowns today it was his only two catches of the game. Who do you like better. Because i know definitely definitely andrews. Irv smith didn't just emerge he had two touchdown game. When you only got two passes that was a fluky. Lucky game in my opinion sure but silver something like that from mark andrews but i think i really think i'd probably rather have hearst i leak. Yeah well sure fairly. It makes sense. Well the sad thing like fancy not doing that much. That's the problem. Well he what fans doing today. Well he did but even coming into this the year. He hasn't done that much. He's barely been used downfield like i. I spent some time watching them. And then i wrote them up for for the story that right late in the week on. Cbs sports dot com. He's he's he's a lot like ingram was used earlier this year. A lot of short area throws and drew lock likes looking deep night. Have a couple of deep routes and occasionally. We'll get a target. But i you saw okwu neighbor nam getting more end zone targets than fant highway. I don't miss gaming. He was hurt. And so i wouldn't make too much but even coming into this game. He wasn't exactly doing great things and now neither is mark andrews and this is a problem and so coming into this week. This was the job week for jonnu smith. Just bring in another titan that fantasy managers were upset about and he came through for a touchdown and now fantasy managers aren't going to be upset about jonnu for another week or two. I don't know about two targets. Fantasy managers are smarter than that. Johnny smith had two targets in this game. They feel like they got lucky. Yeah okay fine but they might not feel. The problem is is that okay. You don't want to call mark andrews mustard anymore. I agree i believe it. What do you do about it. Who are you gonna find off the waiver. Wire that's definitely going to be better than mark andrews. The answer is no one unless you just find somebody and you start having to strike gold with them. The same way that people who started jonnu smith for the fourth week in a row when he didn't do anything for you in the first three weeks struggled today. Because he had two catches and a touchdown. I find i got lucky. And i started her smith in the king's classic. One of the king's classically exam fifteen points for me today. Total lucky move. I didn't i needed one of my my third flex to be somebody. Irv smith was on my bed. Show i said okay. I'll start them. So are you saying martinez is a must start. Didn't i think he's a muster tight end if you don't have anybody better and you drafted him to be good and i don't think it's anything that he's necessarily doing like it all comes back. Oh it's probably around. We have problems with everybody else in baltimore. Lamar jackson completed nineteen of twenty. Three passes. no one on the ravens. I'd even fifty yards so he's spreading it around in his attacking downfield and mark andrews used to be the guy that would hog allow those targets. And now he's not not must start titan. But i don't know what you do to fix. I thought you disagreed with us for like five minutes there and now like i said all along that i believe that he wasn't a must start said. Okay i'm gonna tell you something here about tied. At first of all the guy it'd be looking to pick up his awesome hooper nothing you drop mark andrews but he's forty percent roster and he's coming on and now beckham's out so anyway There are there. Were only two tight ends. That were started ninety percent of leagues or more. I think there were only two tight ends. That were started in more than eighty percent of leaks and they were kelsey and waller. You could make an argument that those are the only two must start tight ends and fantasy. And i think what you're seeing is a lot of fantasy. Managers have tight ends and they try to play the match ups. You don't really worry about matchups with mark andrews. you can't beat a a bad match up but you know maybe you try to guess. The mount pass attempts somebody. I don't know but it seems like there are two must start tight ends and then we can be debating the rest of them for the rest of the season. Let's pick it up here cole. Beasley as droppable. Believe it or not and this kind of sucks in what they want to dave's winners because the and for the article is john brown is back and cole beasley is droppable and brown looked like himself today and beasley got three targets and he is only topped sixty yards once in the six games. The john brown has played. He's a desperation. Flex you're hoping score a touchdown but this is defined digs and john brown show. Yeah usually when. There's a game like this. Josh allen has a bunch of yards and a bunch of points called beazley's involved so if you told me that jiaxuan gonna attempt thirty eight passes and have over four hundred yards. I would have been psyched to start cole. Beasley item ranked as a top twenty four receiver. Npr and john brown. The only thing. I disagree with you that there was that one. Big play that set up a touchdown for the bills or look like john brown was laboring a little bit when he was running. But you can't argue with eleven targets and eight catches in. it's another game. We haven't seen this month but another game. Were john brown. Helped josh allen have giant monster stat line and it was seattle. Let's keep that in mind. You guys believe it. Kobe's droppable easily in non and half p pr little bit harder in full but there's always receivers on the waiver wire. I don't even know when digs in browner healthy if he's better pr. I think you're just hoping for a touchdown. I don't think he'll get enough targets to catch a lot of passes could be true. They got arizona on the road next week and then by. Dj is a top twenty five wide receiver again. Believe it or not dj chart top twenty five again. I don't quite believe it. And i think most people will also this. I guess what i'm saying is this could be still high situation. It could also be that. This was the beginning of something. Great with dj charleston. Jake gluten. I just think like if he's a boom or bust number three wide receiver. This type of game is not out of character all and we've seen him have three or four these types of games over the last season and a half and then we also see him go through stretches where he has forty yards for a couple of weeks while we can just see and there was a problem with gardner menchu and dj charge. I don't know exactly what it was meant. Shoes numbers were much better when throwing keelan cole. Levesque scholz over the last month and charges was very frustrated and openly critical of gardner. Minshew so this in itself could be better But i don't think this one game from j. gluten or this one game from dj charge. Really tell us very much so far to other than what we already knew. Dj jarque has big time upside and probably still doesn't have very much floor. We'll see what i remember. Seeing with jake luton. When he was playing at oregon state was that he had a preference for taller. Receivers isaiah hodgkin's was his guy there and i. It's funny. He wore number seventeen chart. Does he says the tall. You know big dude and charges and necessarily like buff. But he's tall and he's fast and luton just came out pop. With the seventy three yard touchdown that accounted for half of sharks yards. He had twelve targets. I don't think it's too far off to say that. He could be a top twenty five receiver russell season okay. Yeah it's that's why hard sell for me. I have to break in with some with some breaking news item the tampa bay buccaneers record. A first down. Oh good all right. Justin jefferson is a problem for adam. Phelan justin jefferson is a problem for adam. Believe it or not. The truth is that mike. Zimmer is a problem for adam phelan but we knew that coming into the year we thought that feeling would overcome it. because he'd get a thirty percent target share because devan digs wasn't there is kind of there and this was the fourth straight game for dealing with five targets or fewer since jefferson emerged in week. Three the on his averaging seven targets per game. jefferson's right behind him at six point three. I think there will probably be a couple more games where he gets double digit targets but despite the fact the vikings defense is not as good as they had hoped. It would be or as good as it has been. They are still doing everything they can to throw the ball as little as possible and that means that feelings probably getting seven or eight targets that makes him a fifty to sixty yard per game guy which makes them a number two wide receiver. I am taking a callback here to before the season when i compared how feeling did when the minnesota run game was on fire versus when they weren't doing well and there were only five games where he had fifteen or more points it out of twenty. Were minnesota running back also had fifteen plus and pr. But when the minnesota running back was and cook and before that was latavius murray whenever minnesota running back did not have fifteen p. pr points. He had fifteen points themselves in eight of twelve games. So i i. I'm just thinking that if minnesota's able to just crush opponents by running it with dalvin cook it's not gonna leave a lot for the receivers. It's just not a prolific offense. Where feeling gets his jefferson gets. His and don cook goes bananas okay. So that's believe it or are you guys believe it. Justin jefferson is a problem for no dalvin. Cook is the program that there's a. There's an atom feeling problems so let's do some recipes first of all. I don't think jefferson. I'm gonna say phelan i am too. I think it's very very close. Adam ceiling or juju smith schuster. Let's do it shooter really boy. Wow what a reversal. From two weeks ago adam feeling or chase claypool dealin. Yeah i'm going to say the two okay. And i was thinking about when when when you said that was jefferson or claypool. Claypool just had a game with a ton of targets again. I think. I think we need to do a segment on wednesday. Like ranking the rookies at running back and wide receiver arrested season. Okay who could it's fascinating and difficult. Who's the top rookie running back. Probably james robinson. Yeah clyde cheese with you. Clyde ball clyde qila he must've can shrager can get two snap counts for the chiefs guys because we've got kleiber. Letter was on the field goal line. he was. I bet he out snap bile bell by twenty five snaps. At twenty five snaps levian had nineteen darryl had eighteen and i believe there were several plays where two or more of them were on the field. That same twenty five. That's it eighteen snaps. They didn't have game. Williams played thirteen out of fourteen third downs. Wow that's so gross. Well they didn't have the ball in that game that is that is not good and that is disappointing. Let's look at the top five position is. Let's drop yes i would like to hold them. I'd rather old him and kobe. You absolutely positively cannot start him. The only reason the only way you would start him as if something happens. Edwards helaire is a handcuff black hole on your bench to the top five to the leaderboard here at each position cuyler murray is number one. How do you not go for it on. Fourth and one of king of forty nine yard field goal. I think what a terrible decision by clip kingsbury cliff is such a great coach. Consider some things including that josh allen number two at forty one fantasy points mahomes thirty eight. This is six point passing. Touchdown leagues aaron rodgers. Thirty six and then how about these two drew lock and teddy bridgewater. Just in front of ben rothlisberger if you take out aaron rodgers. You're looking at murray. Allen mahomes big gap and then comedy drew lock of thirty to thirty to forty. Three total touchdowns ran up breeze passes them by halftime or by time. We finish this podcast Guess something's going on in that game. Okay so yeah well anyway. Let's josh allen was it because he play the seahawks like what are we supposed to make this coming off. Four games in a row with less than twenty fantasy points and he goes for forty one. Fantasy points against the seahawks. If you're asking me. I think he finally figured out how to beat deep cover defenses. Because he'd seen a lot of defenses playing not just cover to cover three covers six kind of daring them to run the football and last week. That's what they did and this week it. We were surprised at how much they through. And there was a lot of throws the sideline and and in the middle of the field. There weren't a lot of deep shots per se but at the same time they did cover three beater. On the first touchdown dies day. Mackenzie which was pretty sweet and Allen just had he was under pressure a little bit to in the game there was a lot of everything but the one thing that he wasn't was inaccurate. So i mean are you buying in. Let's get that. Are you buying in or was it. Just the seahawks. I think we could say that was just the hawks i bought. It was still encouraging. He's a top six quarterback. What do you guys think about Ju- locking teddy bridgewater. That i would say that drew lock was mostly. I think i think teddy bridgewater is alone. Starter and having mccaffrey back in the emergence of curtis samuel only make things better for him. I think lock was mostly. Just the falcons. Yeah and bridgewater did a terrible for the for. It was almost a repeat of last week with lock whereas terrible for the first half and then once he finally started to get going late almost when it was too late he was on fire so he's great prevent defense which is super bridgewater ended up throwing forty nine times which certainly helps all right. Let's look at the Top running backs here as i get this list up. Let me see if i can think before populates. That's pretty quick dalvin. Cook is probably going to say. Two hundred six rushing yards. Forty six receiving yards and two touchdowns on the day. Mccaffrey is to james robinson. We should talk about him. Twenty five carries ninety nine yards and a touchdown. Kaelin barrages are before. There really was not a great day for running. Backs are about dalvin. Cook scored ten fewer fantasy points this week than last week. Holy cow but how about in a non pr league. There are two running backs currently going into sunday night. Football that scored more than fifteen fantasy points and that it would probably extend to pr more than fifteen or sixteen fan. I mean that's weird. And it's cooking mccaffrey. Robinson kaylynn balaj devante booker jerick. Mckinnon wayne gaughman. Josh jacobs. todd gurley. I mean these guys are all around fifty. Sixty to fifty to seventy yards or so and a touchdown not a ton in the passing game. So i was thinking about like this highlights something. I was thinking today as far as the running backs go. It was a great year for zero rb. It's just too bad. All the elite wide receivers got hurt. Not all of them did. And like now i think if you have davante adams and tyreek hill you're feeling pretty good about it but it just seems like this most weeks. We've got a couple of the elite running backs that are just absolutely incredible. And we've got two or three guys that either weren't drafted or weren't even being started. Two weeks ago that have a gigantic game weren't even being started two weeks ago. People forgot about kaelin balaj and devante booker. I guarantee you. There were people who his stat line and they go. He's still in the league. In fairness to caleb allies. He has been memed all season long. Because adam gates tried to trade for. Yeah well let me ask you about james robinson because yeah it was a really encouraging day. Twenty five carries ninety nine yards and a touchdown on the other hand. He was very involved in the passing game with With garmin shoe to target's he did not catch either them chris thompson. Actually kinda got back in the mix so does that make you a little concerned at all little bit. Let's see let's see if that continues. How do you. How do you take them off the field. If you're trailing big in jacksonville. Jake gluten starts the rest of the games. Then i think you'll see fewer targets. Go to the running backs in the short area targets than you did when gardner minshew. Who was the quarterback so yeah that'd be a slight downgrade for him. Who's the running back. Who's the waiver wire running back. That has the audacity to outperform clyde edwards ealier. That would be doll man. Okay wide receivers. Why received have people come up with some funny lines. Like for the superhero goldman. Who's like who's the guy that asks you if asks your ask your wife. If she's pregnant. Doll man okay anyway. Wide receivers podcast is going to be better. Please don't please. don't turn it off. Thank you richie james number. One right now davante adams number two so that was Thursday night and tyreek hill. Dj charq christian kirk. He's a winner. Big time jerry. Jeudy and curtis samuel look at those three so tired dj truck. We're talking about shark. Great see the targets for tyreek hill by the way he had eighteen of them but christian. Kirk hundred twenty three yards and a touchdown jerry. Jeudy hundred twenty five yards. And a touchdown curtis samuel hundred five yards and a touchdown. How would you rank those three recipes and kirk judy and samuel. You just yeah. I think i've been skeptical of kirk. The targets really hadn't been there before this week. But this i like. He was one of my winners. I would sit still. I think there's more upside for judy. Rest of season than kirk. I'd probably go dirty judy. Kirk very very close to each other and then samuel a little bind them okay. That'll kind of cut it for wide. Receiver i guess. We're going to look at going to have some waiver wiring there between judy and samuel particular Terry maclaurin was next up on the list by the way and decay metcalf with another game with at least nine ers. It's all but one game this year tight ends your top tight ends this week travis. Kelsey was ridiculous this week. Ten catches one hundred fifty nine yards on twelve targets. Irv smith two catches ten yards on and two touchdowns on four targets but keep in mind again very low pass volume in this game. Jimmy graham six catches for fifty five yards and a touchdown against tennessee. Evan ingram. I think he has nine or ten targets in three straight games and this time he had five catches forty eight yards and a touchdown. And then you have hopkinson behind him. And jonnu smith. And darren waller. Eric brown made a great play to heath what stands out kelsey. Irv smith graham ingram hopkinson. Jonnu we talked about the jonnu thing. It was he and irv smith if you started them. It's fantastic and you should be celebrating and feel good about it. Because that's what it's all about. When you're streaming touchdown her bus tied in when they hit the touchdown But i don't. I don't think they're going to be must start guys i. It's getting harder and harder to do anything but start jimmy. Graham nine out of the top ten tight ends as of this recording scored a touchdown. Two of the ten head over fifty yards receiving. Yeah and it's kind of hard not start ingram sure but it's different pr because at least with ingram there's volume with aiden hers volume those guys we we've seen it enough where they're getting four plus catches a game and so they get those catches and they get some decent yardage and you can feel confident starting them either. You can throw hopkinson on that list so long as golladay is out you guys have winners and losers I want to go back. And just give 'cause he wasn't on the top five you didn't say his name but you had said there were two must start tight end okay. Good hawkins since muster talking. Yeah yeah you're right. He was not started in more than eighty percent of leaks. But i don't see how anyone sits teacher hopkinson at this point. But you know you look. The targets are up without kenny golladay there. So i'm mean. Is this an opportunity to sell t hopkinson. I think so. I just think. Marvin jones may be done And so i. I'm not sure that tj hopkinson the one that's going to lose golladay comes back. Let's take a quick break here when we come back winners and losers a lot of the winners john brown. Dj char christian kirk but the losers while we marvin jones. Corey davis was a jonathan. Taylor fumbled the five carries when he fumbled the one. Carry rest of the game. Hunter henry thirty three yards on seven targets. We will talk about winners and losers when we come back on fantasy football today support for this podcast comes from. Cdw on dell technologies cdw we get the migrating your business to a hyper converged. Infrastructure is challenging. Gotta do want to do it but got to grow slowdown friend. Cdw's experts can help you. Simplify the transition from legacy to hyper converged infrastructure with dell technology solutions. 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Wg you makes earning a respected degree possible with just a computer and an internet connection partner with wgn to make smart investment near companies and employees future learn more at wgn dot edu slash partnerships. That's wg you dot edu slash partnerships tie winners and losers from dave and heath davis. I we can pretty much skip the winters dave's winters or john brown and dj chart. But i'll ask you this. Dave jump brown. Sixty five percent roster. How would you compare him to christian. Kerr curtis samuel jerry. Jeudy i would put him behind kurkin in pr non-pwi pr. Maybe now. I'd probably rather have judy just to speculate on them. Kirks ahead to the mall and then he your winners christian kurkin chase claypool anything to add there. I just that you know claypool through a couple of weeks. Sarah looked like he needed diontae johnson to be out. He actually led the steelers thirteen targets in this game. I'm not as concerned about chase. Claypool and and like johnson made a nice play after the catch in this game but it still looks like claypool is going to be more efficient option it catches for sixty nine yards worried about that because that wasn't a very he also had two bad drops in this game. He was but he didn't. They didn't connect on the downfield targets but he also saw more downfield targets. So i still think he's going to be used in that role more than the other guys are. That was strange game. The fat that i i was unaware of this whole steelers are bad every year when they're huge road favorites against the crappy team But again this is like a big mike. Tomlin thing just have these letdown games Losers marvin jones and corey davis for heath. So marvin jones eighty six percent. Roster thing is he scoring when kenny golladay is not there he scores a lot. So you know. What can we really drop. Hammer is what do you do. Eighty six percent roster. Yeah i mean. I you can hold onto him if you want to. But i don't think he's the same guy that he was and you kind of been bailed out whenever you have used him with the touchdowns. I don't know where you're going to get a big yardage game. what would you do. Would you drop him for like duke johnson or i would drop him for jerry jeudy. You were talking about him on the waiver wire. Yeah what about for tim. Patrick who had nine targets and caught a touchdown. I would rather have tim patrick than marvin jones. Okay corey davis three targets No catches his previous two games. He at ten targets in each of them was just a match up thing against the bears or or. What for corey davis. I don't know for sure but it was discouraging. And it's going to be jeff to trust your next week tannehill thing. 'cause tannehill was really not good passing. Yeah this is an old school titans. Tannehill titans gave. This is a throwback to last year. I mean twenty one passes now touchdown day. Jay brown was unbelievable. And i'm thrilled. That china got involved on one drive. Thanks for that. But getting three targets. Not what we were expecting from corey davis but that's also kind of a reminder of what corey davis was in two thousand nineteen whereas we would say. Okay let's give him a shot. He had a couple of games and then there was terrible. Let's see the time of possession in that game. Yeah tennessee the ball twenty six minutes and six seconds chicago almost thirty four minutes. Nick thirty excruciating. Minute abet nick. Foles threw fifty two passes. He throws look at. These are his pass attempts than six starts. Forty two forty two thirty nine forty forty one fifty two and he came through twenty five fantasy points today. So nichols congratulations. If you started. Nick foles tournament. I started him in To cuba i wanna tell you guys by the way. We had an episode of fantasy football today in five with jacob gibbs. You're hurt his stats last week. You didn't hear what he said. One of his stats was kirk. Cousins against man defense. He shreds man defense and the lions play. I believe it was the second most man coverage right in the nfl behind the patriots. Matt patricia and cousins. Did you have a massive game. He barely threw the ball. I think he had like twenty five points on twenty pass attempts so it was a really cool nugget. Would've really helped in dfs and we're going to have a bonus. It's a saturday episode every week. We're going to have with. Jacob gibbs we're gonna give you some stats and one of them didn't really pan out chase chase edmonds. He expected a huge game from edmonds. Didn't really get that. The other one was about. Derek carr who just didn't really throw enough but i thought it was really interesting and something to keep an eye out for kirk cousins going forward. What type of coverage does he face. Sorry for the detour. There the other losers were for dave jonathan taylor and hunter henry. Oh boy dave jonathan taylor. Let's start with him. He looked great on his first run and he got gifted a goal line carey and otherwise. He was really really really a lot like he was last week. Oh you just talked about a third of touches. Yeah he fumbled and he got benched is really men. obviously right. So what do you think going forward. What do you like is jordan. Wilkins the starting running back there. My guess is that the colts will come around. And they'll they'll give. Jonathan taylor half of the rushing workload and wilkins will get the other half until taylor can prove that he can hold onto the football. And that was an issue with him coming out of wisconsin and And he can be effective like he still. The first of the game was drawn. Okay look like he was wired in new where to run. New have the play was supposed to go. It might have been the only play other than the goal. Line dive that He seemed to know where he was going. What he was doing. Only the football or not. it was frustrating. He's he's not what we thought he was. Okay would you rather have the andre swift or john taylor swift on a why scooby doo saying mattis shaky a little shaggy for you their banks. It wasn't me so. I was different shaggy. That was another joke. Some people sometimes. They're like three people who get my jokes each week and they said i got one good ones thank you. Thank you hunter henry. Now he's ninety three percent rostered. Seventy one percent started his yards in his last five games. Thirty nine twenty three twenty three thirty three thirty three four hundred hundred. He's gonna get you a six or seven. P p r points great. Dewey drop him for oss hooper or dallas goddard or. Do we want to see what's going on with. Mike williams with have a big impacts. What do you. What do you think. Dave well in the one game mike williams didn't play this season. He had four targets to catch. Isn't thirty nine yards without a touchdown and i mean justin herbert's been starting the majority of these games in hunter. Henry has not been doing a lot with it. Remember one of the big appeals with justin. Herber number one. He is throwing a keenan allen like crazy and number two he will take about four or five deep shots a game. It's fun and yeah and it's fun because he's connecting on. Yeah and they're not going to one hundred hundred they're going to other guys who you're not starting on your fan. So what do you think you drop them for. Hooper got her. Yes dropping him for hooper. Got her rather drop him then mark andrews. Can i give you a fun. Fact that i just discovered. Yeah each of the past three weeks. Well let's see. There was a by week in so it's not exactly three weeks. Each of their past three games hunter. Henry has more catches more yards and more fantasy points than mark andrews And then those three games. He has twenty three thirty three thirty. Three yards wow and yet and yet heath if you had to pick one or are you going to stand by henry. Because he's been better universal say andrews I don't like. I'm not saying for sure that i'm going to rank andrews higher next week if i had andrews and henry i. It's it it's going to be. They're going to be ranked in a very similar position. It's like i don't disagree with the fact that it's been really discouraging for hunter henry but like i could pretty easily spinach that hunter henry has at least seven targets in six of eight games and mark. Andrews has seven targets in two games. Henriette miami next week and the ravens are taking on the patriots at foxboro. I'm probably going to have henry projected higher than mark andrews next week the patriots. Don't scare me. I mean like. I said they are giving up the most passing yards per attempt in the nfl. That's that is unbelievable number. I wanna talk before we get into the games. They're just wanna make sure we don't miss any one. How about the mega duds well. Look i don't wanna spend another twenty minutes before talk about clyde edwards dealer for example. Okay clyde edwards dealer was terrible. Dj more was terrible. I think it's time to drop darius slayton. He's going to dairy sleigh next week and then he's got a by just he was he's invisible but are there any players that really stunk up. The joint that are concerning to you Dj worse super super. Concerning and i don't know like the thing was. It was really weird two weeks ago and it was a bad weather game and teddy. Didn't have a good game. He just basically didn't throw a dj more until the last drive and then dj more look like a superstar on two or three plays and then the game was over. And i kinda thought well that was weird but that won't happen again and it was even worse this week. They didn't even get the superstar time at the end of the game Curtis samuel look legitimately good and robby. Anderson remains the number one wide receiver. Now mccaffrey is going to probably get more targets in. Mike davis did emotional thrown onto. Mike davis five times. So yeah i'm i'm a little worried about. Dj more. they're making use of everybody. They have which is a staple of joe brady does but in fairness they. They're they're not because they're not making use of dj more. Well they did well. not this. is we hear what what about right. There were several weeks to begin the or were. They didn't do with curtis samuel. What about clyde edwards helaire guys. Where are you on on him. Feel god i mean got bailed out by the touchdown catch. Today was nice number. Two running back but eight touches isn't going to cut it now and it's eight or nine. Even as he has has he had twelve touches since levy on just said eight or nine touches three games. I didn't hear that i'm sorry now. Eight or nine. it's crazy. three straight games. It's i want to say it's going to turn around eventually. But chiefs have mahomes read loves letting them throw. They needed him today. They've got. They've got to bring back some balance to their offense. I mean it was pretty ridiculous. They had nine handoffs to the running backs. One to tyreek hill took off twice. Those might have been kneel downs or one of them have been any down. I'm not sure but homes through it forty five times. I don't blame andy reid for it at all. But someone's got to tap on the shoulder and say hey big guy. We got to try and run the ball a little bit more. I have this theory this theory. I won't tell anyone but several view. Andy reid is sick of all this. Russell wilson hype and he's like. Hey my guys are gonna win. Mvp like it or not and he's just let it fly. i think it could also be Like this goes back to when my youngest son started to learn football through madden and he just couldn't understand why people run the ball and you look at the chiefs and they get eight yards per play when they passable and four yards per play when they run the ball. So why would we run up. It's a good question. I just saw that score the halftime score of the saints game. Wow thirty one nothing. What was predicted. Maybe not even that. Close all right. So let's get into the games then. Houston twenty seven in jacksonville. Twenty five all right so we already use the dj chart. Believe it or not so. Let's talk about duke. Johnson sixteen carries forty one yards and a touchdown four catches thirty two yards. David johnson only had two touches in the game and he left with cussin' they are at cleveland than new england. The nats detroit. If we know we won't know what. If we did know on tuesday that david johnson was going to miss week. Ten duke johnson. A break the bank kinda guy. I think he'll be viewed as such. I don't allen we like the matchup against detroit as a well do johnson could be really good here but it's any running back that's going to get you fifteen touches that you can get off. The waiver wire is going to be appealing. Would i break the bank. Form offended or running back. I think i would. I'd rather break it for him than kaelin. If you told me. David johnson johnson. It'd be a top fifteen running back next week okay. Is there Any doubt you start willer willer and willard service and brooks willer and brooks go start of every week right okay for the jacksonville. Jaguars chris conley seven cashes for thirty two yards on eight targets quick thoughts another big receiver that gluten soaring to think. Laviska got hurt scheme. Yes but keeling cold and he had one catch disappeared killing one catch onto targets and another big guy. Tyler effort four catches forty yards. Maybe there's another one Colin johnson had a couple of targets. Okay atlanta thirty four and denver twenty seven little bit of a lopsided time possession. Here lanta had the ball for thirty three minutes. Twenty twenty seven seconds denver for twenty six and a half minutes. Basically big games drew. Lock and matt ryan got believe it offer this one heath um believe it or not drew. Lock his a Borderline starter will fantasy quarterback at las vegas. That's not a bad match up next milk. No it's not and he's he's finding a way to put up those numbers. It's ugly early but he gets it done by the end of the game. It's too scary for me. But i i'm not gonna believe it i guess but here's the here's the encouraging thing pass attempts last three games forty one forty eight passing yards last three games to fifty four to forty eight which is solid and three thirteen today. But i don't know he. I'm going to say no value. I believe it. When he's playing the falcons. Yeah what about the raiders. I think the raiders are considerably. Better defensively than the falcons. Oh by the way my little rant about our bbc. Like forget it with these two with lindsay and gordon. How can you trust them. Atlanta's run defense has gotten better over. Four games yeah. It is insured. We've been saying that. That's that's true. But still i mean. They're not going to get they. Don't catch the ball that much. Sometimes gordon almost never lindsay. They're not going to get more than like twelve carries. It seems the thing is. You're not gonna have that luxury discardable. Yeah we're going to have to start running backs every single week. That might get six curious. So i hope not no. Not the winning team is named quite Player who my start him over these guys every jonathan taylor who i think at six today you know the the running back i get six carries that i like 'cause jd mckissic dude. He's he's this is this is what four out of five games with at least forty receiving yards and. Yeah he that role through the bye week. That's good manny. He crushed didn't snaps played. Forty five snaps. Barbara only gibson rather twenty five peyton. Barber played one. Snap to tinted to to to to to to to to to to look doomed to to wrestling fans will now okay minnesota thirty four detroit twenty where we got. I really did it. Believe it or not for this game. Oh which was the one with the vikings players. Oh sure sure okay believe it or not for the lions it or not d. Andre swift is going to be an league winner next the last eight weeks of the year now too strong don't believe i don't fantasy league renner but at least here's a running back that got sixteen touches and it's alliance running back at that Gambles send a pack of pencils and maybe some moving boxes to matt patricia. To celebrate this pencils. Good all right. I think that's it. He's going to need the. What do you think you want to revisit dalvin cook versus derrick henry non non. Pbr yeah sure any still think derrick henry. Yeah for sure. I think wait. Let me ask. Do i get credit for two weeks points with delvin cooker. Just what he does moving forward just going forward. Okay y'all i thought you were taking henry over cooking any format last week my wrong. I think i took him over in half. Pr for sure. Henry within this should really be a half pbr. Discussion for sure. Yeah dalvin cook. High go dallas carolina jacksonville. Next four game. well yes. Chicago's not great. But no but those three after who cares and tampa bay chicago and and the saints in week sixteen. He's insane moving on giants twenty three washington. Twenty yeah i know it was that it was that riveting of a game. Well yeah believe cares. It was twenty two three giants at one point and wfan got back into it. You know just with alex. Smith -gratulations alex smith on throwing a touchdown pass. That was almost three hundred yards. That's great. I don't think he was particularly good. Oh i didn't even realize that. Three hundred and twenty five yards. Nah i mean he. He didn't throw the ball downfield. He the giants game a lot everything underneath he took advantage of it. I i i don't love it for terry maclaurin i. I'm not saying it's definitely not. It's not necessarily bad for turmeric lauren. But i really don't see how it's good for terry maclaurin because he's just he's so conservative and i mean he's not all all the big plays happened kyle and sixty two yards passing. Yeah but you saw the maclaurin. Big playwright i did Cam sims had a couple though right camp simms did. Yeah yeah i don't know. Just what do you think i mean. Buy or sell. Alex smith is bad. News for terry maclaurin. I would sell that. I don't think kyle ellen's good. And so maybe. The targets are a little closer. To the line of scrimmage. But we saw alex smith throw downfield plenty when he was comfortable in kansas city in the last two years he was there. It won't be like that because he doesn't have those types of weapons. But i don't think it's bad for term. I don't necessarily good for him. But i think it's just terry mclaren's a starting wide receiver. Who start smith had a deep throat. Thirty two yards sims. Another one forty five yards. That was the longest one percent on the day. The thirty three yarder. That simms had from smith was actually a short pass that sims took in his catch and run and then they they. They're calling it. The deep left throat and maclaurin. I guess that's because the ball travel fifteen plus yards in the air which it did mcclure made a great play. Do i think he can do that every week. It is teri maclaurin. I think it's possible. I would love to try and sell high on him still really but i'm not i'm not one for nothing. I don't even know what you could get like if there is a team. Let's say i've got to maclaurin and after this week. Four and five. And i can't afford to lose any more and i need some starters and there might be teaming eight and one and they're trying to collect a bunch of superstars for their squad. Maybe they don't wanna make lineup decisions late in the year. So they'll trade their depth for studs and they'll look at maclaurin is one of those studs so if i can get a good running back and a good wide receiver terry mclaren to use my lineup. And give me a chance to sneak into the playoffs in my leak. I'm doing it. I think i offer turmeric. Maclaurin for ezekiel elliott earlier. This week got turned down. And i'm not sure i'd offer it. Now yeah right. Oh yeah zeke. Was roy talk about okay. We'll get Real quick to wrap up this game. Do you agree with me. That darius slayton his droppable but you can what would be the circumstance where you would feel good. Starting dairy asli mamane reasoning is that you're not you're probably not starting him against the eagles because sleigh did a good job against him two weeks ago three weeks ago and then he's got a by after that cincinnati seattle arizona. That's why would hang onto him. The matchups a really good after the giants by but like sterling shepherd is getting six shepherds had six catches every healthy game. He's had exactly six when he comes back from the by there will be one week. Were there's other teams on a by and you can call slayton a bye week replacement so i think you've gotta look at him as okay. Is he someone that is in the mix for a flex spot or wide receiver to spot or wide receiver. Three spot on my fantasy team. And if he if my receiving core is just not that great and he's on my squad. I don't think i want to let them go especially for those matchups after the bye. Okay next game. Buffalo forty four seattle thirty four. We had a believe it. Or not on dropping cole beasley so i will go with a seahawks. Believe it or not. Oh gosh believe it. Or not tyler. Lockett is i mean. There's really nothing. I can say here but i'll just you can say no. Believe it or not tyler. Lockett is not a must start wide receiver. He has less than fifty yards and four of his last five games. I do not believe it too much upside to to put on your bench. It is pretty frustrating. Though isn't it. Yes when you look at his pr stats for the year. He's averaging twenty point nine per game but in weeks one through three was a monster and then he had even bigger smash game in week seven and everything since then or in between you know week. Four through week nine save for the big game has been single digit points in p p r dj dallas and travis homer the same amount of touches nine touches if you start a dj dallas. You got a little lucky. With the touchdown there service second week in a row. Yeah seven carries the look better though. I must admit i thought he looked better this week than last week. That's pretty much. It gabriel davis. I think he's gonna end up being a pretty good player. I agree yeah. I think that'd be happy if i had him in. A dynasty leaked tennessee. Twenty four and chicago seven. We have anything from this game. He not yet right. Yeah the david. Montgomery when he plays for the bears oh. I didn't read that one. So do that. Not david montgomery is a flex or best rest of season flex at assuming he plays obviously next week. We don't know the extent of the injury who is at rest of season. I don't think he's out for the year he shouldn't be what he thinks montgomery's of flexible best. Believe it or not. i don't know if i can. I don't know if i can come up with twenty four running backs week in and week out that are definitively better than david montgomery but i think i can probably name you twenty or twenty one so i don't believe it but i think we're getting really close there. Where just because he's getting a lot of touches doesn't mean he's a very good fantasy running back. I do think and i've been the guy not as worried about inefficiency so take with a grain of salt. He'd shown a pretty good pr floor before this week. Eleven or twelve points without touchdowns and when he scored he was better and the offensive line. This week as they're gonna have a bad offense vinyl year it will be as bad as it was this week. They believe i believe. They had their third string center. Who had never played center and two of their starters were active for this game. So they get the vikings next week and maybe montgomery is not. Okay maybe the offensive line is illness. Then they have a by. Then it's packers. Lions texans vikings jacksonville. Yeah no but we've been saying that about him for a while but he's not been like. This was a very bad game. He's been a number two running back for most of the year. Npr npr. there's something to be said for eleven twelve pr fantasy points. And that's typically where he's been at. I think there's also like. I think it's important to win guys and have not scored any touchdowns does as your scoring eleven or twelve fantasy points without touchdowns. That's that's pretty good because he's probably gonna score a couple touchdowns in the second half. I'll tell you what worries me. Let's say he misses week. Ten bears are going to have ryan all and our tavis pearson cordeiro patterson. And maybe even lamar miller. Who's not the same lamar miller that he once was but they've got four guys auditioning for playing time whenever montgomery does come back. And patterson i don't know if he had a lot of time but every time i clicked into watch this game. Patterson was on the field doing something. He only played seventeen snaps. I think okay then. I want to say that's a lot for him but i can't. I'm not on top of cordeiro. Patterson snap right. I'm very sorry. No i sometimes. That happens. Like i thought clyde edwards helaire played like a ton of snaps because every time the game came on he was in there and point. Isn't the bears. Need something on offense and something from the run game and i don't think montgomery's really given them much of anything this year and a lot of the offensive line. I really believe that but facts are. Facts is numbers are terrible. Bears are desperate for a win. They'll they'll do anything to get that run game we'll except for go back to mitchell trubisky Well he's hurting anyway. That's true. I do think like coming into this. We depend on what numbers you out with. Montgomery as well if you're y t see for life than he might be the worst running back in the. Nfl is also think he led. The league in broken tackles coming into this week. Who and some people think that's representative of being good. Yeah i mean. I i think this is one of those teams. That was allowing a lot of backfield congestion. I'll see if i can find that stat so it might have just been broken. Tackles behind the line of scrimmage and he doesn't have much of a chance. Maybe we don't really know how good david montgomery is. But i don't know. I'm trying to find ways to evaluate. Running backs and yards per carry is useful for fantasy. Because you're not sitting here trying to make a judgment about how good a guy is all the time it's just trying to make a judgment about how efficient he is so yards per carry really matters for fantasy but one thing i look at a lot as big place you know. The best of the best can make a lot of big plays and he can't rarely he did last week against the saints and you know who else can't ever ezekiel. Elliott guy never makes plays anymore though. I don't know what that means. I'm just giving numbers. You make your decisions. Kansas city thirty three carolina. Thirty one We we had one here right or no well. We talked about. Dj more we. Are we talking about. Bridgewater was about a lot of players in this game and talked about clyde. I'm happy Moving on i guess any interest in demarcus robinson sixty nine yards or a touchdown on three of his last four games. I really know sammy what i am interested in. Curtis samuel if he's gonna keep getting a lot of targets but how about today was season-high nine targets firm but he had eleven combined in the two games prior and he gets a little bit of work on the ground game as well. Okay then i think we can go to our next game which is is scored in three straight which is what which is what which is baltimore. Twenty four in indianapolis ten all right. Lamar jackson has now through have they played nine games. Eight games they have played eight games eight games. He has three games with twenty eight to thirty three fantasy points and six point per passing touch. Shelley's that's really good. Five games with fifteen thousand nine hundred fantasy points. He does it. It's just a touchdown rate. I know he's not rushing quite as much but he's still on pace for like nine hundred and fifty rushing yards. So is it. Just the passing touchdown rate heat is heath is that what's keeping our jackson down. No doesn't look like his passing touchdown. Rate is actually that bed. So as you're passing. I think he's on. He was on pace for like three thousand passing yards and his touchdown rate for this year. I believe coming into. This was their coming into the today. It was six point three percent. Which would if that was. His career would be an all time high last year. It was nine percent and we knew. That wasn't sustainable. Yeah i think the yards are down. And i think mayhem the rushing touchdown rate is down that last year. I just don't get it. I mean how does this guy had us. Lamar jackson have three games with more than twenty fantasy points. While he's on pace for nine hundred and fifty ish rushing yards. That is wild. I mean do you. Are you still just starting him pretty much. I think you still start. Because of the rushing upside. But this was his first game in his last four where he completed more than sixty percent of his passes and they were there were a lot of short passes and he didn't throw a lot of them. Twenty three that's it. That's is lowest in four games. He he's also only thrown more than twenty eight once all year. I feel like he has. He's regressed a little bit as a passer. But the offense has regressed a lot in terms of creating these explosive plays and the one thing that i think would make a hell of a lot of sense would be start creating ways for mark andrus to get back involved. Start finding plays and ways to take out other players in the offense. I wonder what's happening is defenses are focusing on taking andrews away from moammar jackson and seeing what happens if something i can look into whereas i wonder if that's part of the problem where's Are concerned level for hollywood. Brown is i was. I was pretty talked me into brown this week. Yes pretty excited. The colts have been really struggling against wide receivers. And maybe if the jackson with more than twenty three passes we had a good game but brown gets three catches getting five targets on twenty. three pass. Attempts is actually not that bad three catches for thirty eight yards disappointing. But i'm sorry. I think i just i might just have to stop with the whole markey's brown is going to have a big second. Half markey's brown is a bilo. I just can't do it. I i don't have. I don't have faith in the ravens passing game. And like he had we knew when he came out he had to kind of be a mold. Breaker number one wide receivers are not as small as him With rise and he he's had some games but he kind of looks like that gadgets fluke big game guy and not a true number one alpha wide receiver. let's talk about the chargers. And the raiders. Las vegas thirty. One chargers twenty-six charters had the ball for thirty four minutes and forty four seconds. Vegas for twenty five minutes and sixteen seconds. I is there anything to say about josh. Jacobs you start them with. He's again just not having a great season. he's putting more than we would like for him to. And i don't think he was hundred percent healthy and booker or add some head a little pep in his step early in this game he did. And that helped. Set the tone. Because the raiders realized especially on that booker touchdown run that he had that they can start to work the outer edges against the chargers and iran. A ton of power run plays with their guards. Were pulling to the to the edges. Both jacobs an booker were having success. There so and jalen rashard was playing a lot on passing downs. So not exactly the type of scenario that we feel good about with with josh jacobs but fourteen carries is nice because that catch on top of it for fifteen touches. I feel like. That's the minimum. We should expect from jacobs from game to game. I i wish it were more. But i think the raiders are realizing we don't have to lean so heavily on this kid especially if he's not one hundred percent and i think they like what they've gotten devante booker. Which makes me wanna puke. But they feel about it. And nelson agholor or carter touchdown but he only three targets and derek carr only through twenty three s throw. The cars throw tagore is awesome. It's time to drop henry ruggs right. I don't know when you'll start them in feel good about say yes i mean come on like just i'd like i'd rather if i'm starting a bi week replacement at wide receiver. It's not gonna be him. It's going to be more. He sixty five percent roster. I i just don't understand. They never gets any targets the first round. He's a first round rookie. That people are hoping in the second half is going to make so. Would you hang on him. i think i'd rather hold and slayton. I'd definitely rather hold in beasley okay. I'm a thousand percent holding both those guys ahead of rugs. Okay would you pick up now. Galore or curtis samuel. Sammy now the big game for justin herber. It's twenty seven or more fantasy points in five straight games. In six point per passing touchdown leagues. Justin jackson got hurt. We'll check on that kaylynn balaj got touches and Yeah that's and the you look good. Yeah but let's like mike williams. This is now too good games in rio. I hope he's healthy. But it just makes sense if justin herbert's gonna throw for three hundred yards every week. And he's gonna throw the ball downfield. That just makes sense that mike williams is going to start start playing better so Seventy three percent started ninety three percent roster miami thirty four thirty one to with a decent game he was twenty of twenty eight to forty eight and to twenty four fantasy points and Seven carries for thirty five yards. Really nothing from the run game. Although jordan howard scored a touchdown and salvin. Ahmed led the team in rushing with seven carries for thirty years. Any takeaways here for the dolphins heath. And it's kind of stinks. Because preston williams looked really good in the first half and then got hurt again I don't know that the connection between two and devante parker is quite there well. He caught six or seven targets. They just weren't big time down. The field throws connection as a chance. Especially if if presents going to miss a few games was. Patrick peterson on him. Patrick peterson was on preston williams when he made one of his big place but he was probably on him for most of the game because preston williams left. Yeah and i. They seem to cover the andre hopkins. Pretty well this game. I saw xavien howard on him quite wrote him. Second half i think howard had four penalties on hopkins grabbing him it was. I'm just not going to let you catch any passes stand wearing committed a penalty every time. Yeah just a weird game for hopkins. Who had three catches for thirty yards. Christian kirk has now twenty or more. Pr fantasy points in three straight games. Murray is unstoppable. Absolutely unbelievable in another shootout to next two games or buffalo and seattle. Oh my gosh going to be glorious pittsburgh twenty four dallas nineteen just to discount a weird day for the steelers james conner nine carries for twenty two yards. I mean you brush it off. But dave what do you think about the On the steelers wide receivers and then he gave me the cowboys wide receivers. I came into this week. Feeling best about juju and he had the fewest targets in the game but he had the nice Thirty one yard touchdown catch from rothlisberger. I thought it was weird that the steelers didn't run it. More rothlisberger was beat. Up went into the locker room early in the first half with the knee. Injury came through in the second half and played through it. And i'm just wondering if the targets were a byproduct of who is open and rothlisberger looking for him He told you about the diontae. Johnson big catch catch and run for like forty yards outside that it wasn't a particularly great day for him. So i i still even though. Judy was third on in targets among three receivers. I still like in the best. And i will second second-best okay and he goes for the cowboys wide receivers that they won't have a quarterback as bad as hopefully and he dalton comes back but it made me feel a little better about lamb a little better about cooper they're They're probably number three wide receivers And i did go find Cameron wolfe covers the dolphins for. Espn is david howard's four penalties. Today were the most by a player in a single game in twenty years. That's awesome so. Don't don't too much about the andrea off and Zeke let's end the ending. The show with zeke rest of season. Would you rather have ezekiel elliott. Or clyde dealer zeke. I don't know it might take clyde three games to get twenty touches. It might get worse. Yeah yeah he's not scoring the catches haven't been there. Tony pollard's been more effective running the football. I'm not feeling good about ezekiel elliott. And he's going into you. Know what. I want to say that. I want to get the chiefs credit. They'll see that. Lebanon bell isn't who they thought he was. I think maybe they realize that. When they started giving daryl williams more third down work i'll take edwards helaire recipes and over. Zeke zeke. kinda. Can't believe i'm sam team carries for fifty one yards for zeke the steelers. Yeah yeah the steelers were gashed by the ravens. Last week on the road for the second week in a row and zeke was hurt but taller had steelers defense. good anymore. no. I'm saying that they were. This was an exploitable spot for the cowboys run game. I worked out for one of the cowboys running backs. And it wasn't a gilbert at quarterback against the steel. and he. he he was halfway decent sealers. Pass rush the problem. That i'm seeing. Is that zeke. Is much much much less involved in the passing game than it used to be. You had two catches on three targets today and that that was a huge part of success. So can't really bank on it guys. Thank you so much Good show. We will talk to y'all tomorrow with special episode. Was ben shrager in chris. Hours fantasy football. Both i and five make sure. Listen to that one for dave and he adam everybody to do do do do do dum.

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There's still time draft start on the fifth so get in there basically. It's so easy. Mega ball dot com. You go in there join a league. Pick a draft time and participate in the largest fantasy football contest. That we know about. Don't be chicken are you the best proven. I'd let's move forward where there's smoke. There's fire presented by traegergrills aright looking at some recent story. Lines some hype and asking ourselves whether there's something to the story. we had the report from yahoo. Charles robinson saying the dolphins the front runner for to shawn watson. Texans are seeking three first round picks. Two seconds you might as well say you're seeking like ten. I picks at this point Other verified sources are saying. The report is legitimate that the dolphins have inquired that trades have been discussed. I've seen reports. That wotton turned down a definitive opportunity to go to the eagles. He has a no trade clause he chose not to go and then they traded for minhsiu. there was also a report this morning that the taxes are prepared to sit him every week and that it's unlikely he'll be traded sue. That's that's great for that franchise. I mean you're already the worst. And now you get you have a fifty two man roster you literally are subtracting one player off of your active daily roster That's going to hurt. So there is a ton of smoking. I mean this. This is not one report. This is not Unverified nobody's saying this. There is a ton of smoke. The question about whether or not there's fire weather this trade happens. I can't seem to wrap my head around it from a human perspective. It makes no sense. The only reason that you would ever trade for deshaun watson with the baggage is carrying is to get a discount right. Yeah i. I'm starting to see it now. I i'm starting to understand. I think maybe they know that. The discount the texas don't want to give a discount on a franchise quarterback right they bench him all year. The legal situation sorts itself out. They get full price next offseason. Isn't that the best thing. That is not one year or one watson trade away one discount watson trade away from competing best thing that they can do is trade a maximum value. And if that's true if like right now you have to train them at a discount. Why wouldn't you bench him for a year and then traded for full day. This story is a few layers deep. Because the deshaun watson's discontent with the the franchise with the houston. Texans was before the surfacing of the twenty-three allegations of sexual misconduct he had already said. I don't want to be on this team. I'm not going to play for this team. And then it was all then you can't trade like no other team is going to trade for him while you have all of that. Just garbage on the off the field. You've no idea what the resolution is going to be as he can be suspended for a couple of games. Is he going to be suspended for an entire season. When is that going to happen. So this these the smoke of these trade rumors is so bizarre to me because these are very these are reports that i trust and it's not just one of them coming out and saying that it's likely to happen but i. I can't imagine that miami is going to do that. And then that leads us into a whole different conversation of two of okay philadelphia if you were. If you had a trade truly lined up for to shawn watson means your faith in jalen hurts is minimal. If you're the dolphins and your truly the front runner for shawn watson your faith in two is minimal. no he's headed a tremendous preseason. So this this story is so wild because spider webs out with with with ramifications. All over the entire. Nfl you're right everything he said there. I and that's why it's fire to me. This story is fire whether it happens now or later. This is not smoke watson. we'll be traded dynasty implications for the quarterbacks mentioned where. Hey look if the team doesn't have confidence in you. You might not started the rest of your career. We saw last year. A decent tampa bay team knows the difference between james. Winston and tom brady and goes out and makes the change and the fans. I've talked to they want watson. they often van. Yeah the philly fans they. They wanted the opportunity to have a. You're not gonna win in this league without the best at quarterback. Yeah on a long enough time line. It certainly fired to shawn. Watson is going to be traded. He's gonna play for the houston. Texans i think the question is some of these reports have been that the this is imminent that the deal is basically done and i think that's the question is is there fire to that smoke is it. What do you think andy that. The chances of deshaun watson being traded in the in the next five weeks early into this season. Because that's what's being reported is that it's it's ready to go and that's where i i just can't i don't think there's fire there. I think smoke it would be quite the pr hip for a team to unload five future draft classes or whatever. The cost is it as being reported moments before the season begins to sit a player. Just pull all of the confidence. Destroy the locker room. It makes no sense. Yeah i mean you're you're massively splitting things and if you're if you're houston and miami really is the trade partner. How was to and not involved in the dry in the trade. That's why that's why that those parts seem like smoke. That is unbelievable. Well i mean. I will say this. If if you are a general manager that does not believe in to getting to a back. That's an expensive asset. That the in the in the eyes of miami and you might be saying. I don't want him to be our quarterback. I don't want him to be our future. And you're going to count to a as two first round picks or something. And that's probably not what the texans want all right Kevin coleman tied johnson being reported out of new york as the top options and the jets backfield to open the season. Smoke or fire is his fire to me. Yes i am totally on board with this. The the michael carter off season was a it was a good time. It was very fun. I'm for all of draft. Twitter of michael. Carter was one of the draft. Twitter's favorite michael carter in college. The teammate of devante williams ends up falling down to the fourth round where it was okay. We already know that. The likelihood of a fourth-round running back emerging the hit rate is very small. So he's already up against it. But the competition was kevin coleman and tigon now. Michael carter can handle this an ad. I don't think so. I think that if you're drafting right now. If you're drafting michael carter ahead of kevin coleman and even tied johnson. I think you are making a fantasy football mistake. It's one of those things where you latch on to And we i remember Going on bleacher report the weekend of the draft and they were talking about who who looks like a great landing spot and we brought up michael carter. This was right after the nfl draft where it was like. I mean he looked like a town tobacco back in college. He slipped a little bit but the jets were one of those teams that has a clear pathway to touches so that looked exciting. And i think that excitement from the off season we as as fantasy manager. sometimes we just. We believe so strongly in our opinions that we don't watch what's happening. He's only working with team calming and gets hurt and in the whole situation changes so this is not like gig. Kick carter to the curb. This early season expectations draft expectations. I mean i remember saying draft. Heaven coleman two months ago because you can buy three or four weeks at that time. I didn't think tie. Johnson was in the mix right by coming into the mix lowers the value of carter. Kevin coleman was going to get the crack to start the season barring him being cut. So right now drafting. Michael carter is probably not something you need to do. Just kind of monitor the situation look at the waiver wire right i mean if one of these other guys gets hurt or the touches start to rise. Then you jump on it. Yeah it they want to the forty niners of the yeast. Yes exactly it would be surprising to me if michael carter is i. If you believe in him it would shock me if whoever draft michael carter has by week to us not dropped into the waiver wire to replace him in a redraft. Yeah all right. That was where there smoke. There's fire presented by our friends at traegergrills. Dear france after that draft Put a traeger wood pellet grill in your starting lineup and make every game day more delicious you can head to traeger dot com slash footballers to discover how simple woodfire cooking can be. News notes from around the league presented vice lieber. The patriots released cam. Newness morning mac. Jones will start week one against miami rudeness gracious. I think this was an outstanding decision by the team. Just due to watching mack jones. Play football. I think it was an outstanding decision to release cam newton. Now i don't know if this was. Belichick has a ton of respect for him. So i don't know if this was as simple as we're doing this as a courtesy or what i think is the actual genius move is getting the big personality outta the locker room handing giving mack jones the opportunity to become a leader in the locker room. That wasn't going to happen in my opinion with a player favored cam newton. Waiting in the wings agreed. Hand the team to mac. What do you guys think about this. Move and then. The fallout for the receivers in the running. Man there are. There's so many pieces at this facts. Obviously cam the potential to sign somewhere. I don't think that anywhere We'll we'll take him as a star right now on. The houston is really the the option. But they are carrying a a non playing quarterback already on the roster mac being starter Is a big deal to me for. We've talked about this a lot over the last couple of weeks. Daming harris damian harris's pathway to fantasy success was always touchdowns we knew the yardage would be there between the twenties. He's going to be fantastic. He's the guy he's looked good. He's been efficient dolphins of lines. Good like everything lines up. The question was because he's not involved in the passing game will get the goal line work. He won't with cam and he will with mack jones. So i haven't with eight rushing touchdowns now and that moved him up considerably and i think that's This is the type of player. And i wouldn't project this. But this is the type of player that you could see twelve thirteen fourteen touchdowns if the offense can move. I can't project that with a rookie quarterback. This isn't tom. Brady running the show. This is still a a you know a first time. Nfl quarterback damian harris's name may or may not come up in our bold predictions. Oh i still just knowing bill like you're going to i called bill up and yeah i mean you gotta remember him. Andre is six foot twenty-seven there's a there's the opportunity for him to have golan carries. That's still scares me a little bit. And then james. What's going to be out there and james white's yes going to be a better player now. That mac is the quarterback as well it third downs. Mac is not going to be the read option. Rush for the first down. I think james white has a better season. I think jacoby myers has a higher ceiling. I think nelson aguilar has a higher ceiling. Say what does it say that literally every other player on the team has a better season with mack. Jones like john smith hunter henry ham. Doesn't he's the only one who do you think does do they do better with mac or cam like mac. It's it's going to be more prolific passing attack with with mac and that means that there will be some fantasy Relevant players here especially considering that the all their value in in average draft price is debt. Nobody's been drafted patriots. Because it's just not in a volume to make it work. Mike people wanna talk about mac himself. He's very low for me in terms of years for me. Twenty eight or something like that. For my quarterbacks so efficiency is going to be there but the offense is still going to be in the running game efficient passing game. Yeah there are run first team and it. At least he's going to be behind a good offensive line. Where for the new york jets. Zach wilson the other rookie. Who i've i've got you know very low in my fantasy rankings. You're hoping that the jets offensive line puts it together. Meanwhile the pats are pretty solid up there. So mack jones i think has a his opportunity will be easier to to develop into that franchise quarterback sooner than zach wilson trae. Lance will miss a week with come on man with what's being called a chip in his finger the gym. He hit his right hand on defender's helmet in the final. Preseason game i. There was some real matt. Nagy magic going on here from kyle shanahan. I don't know if you saw this. He wouldn't even tell the reporters what finger said he said. I'm not going tell you which finger it is. It's a secret that means it's the middle finger. His right hand chipped it. No real concerns according to our injury. Matthew betz however i mean missing a week is missing a week. You probably not winning the starting job at this point. That's what it really affects. The most is the potential for him to have been named the week. One starters has had never seemed higher than a couple of days ago after the preseason game it just seemed like they could they could make that call but now your first week leading up to the game. He's not able to participate. You're not having him. The starter go go reach out and grab kirk cousins matt ryan if you drafted trae lance and you're hoping he become the star to go go find out your week one week two situations that she'd quarterback on today's episode. You can grab yes you do okay carson. Wentz placed on the covered reserved list. The colts are the least vaccinated team and they have something going on. Because winds pascal ryan kelly They're all on the or close contact. They're all close. Contact lists just delaying some practice. Time i guess with an injury for a couple of those players. I mean we didn't the damn off isn't the end of the world. Didn't bad vibes the colts yesterday. But me i mean if you're going off of just the vibrations in the air indianapolis guys getting hurt. Your your at the medical orients. Yeah well i'm just saying there's nothing actual tangible about this. It's just feeling we're and emotions of guys getting hurt your quarterback with elton. It might be out for half the season. Oh he kind of comes back now. Ty hilton is out now carson. Wentz is on the covert lewis. You're losing linemen the vibrations. They're not great. They're not they're not great. I've got some news that might frighten a man that i know has drafted irv smith in many places We're still waiting to hear about the meniscus surgery. But matthew bets are injury experts said if they just remove the torn portion of portion of the meniscus. He'll be out four to six weeks. Yes if they were a parrot he could be six months which would force to miss most of the year which would be disappointing. Breakout super disappointing. I in our and what he's referring to his in our league record. I fully punted. The tide imposition. Just the way that my draft was working out. I waited until the very end and because we have to. I are spots. I drafted irv smith and he moved immediately to the irs. So now week one. I'll be streaming the tight end position. But i had to. Because i punted. You're hoping that irv smith had projected as a top ten titan is back sooner than later interesting news here with a hurricane ida and new orleans they might not play a home game until week eight. They wow slightly that the first game of the season which would have been a home game is going to be moved in there on the road for three of the next four. So if they move the saints week. Four game against the giants. They won't play at home until after the bye in week. Eight man so you have some. I mean toll. Road road matchups there where you're at new england at washington at seattle. That's not great for a team. Without michael thomas and change a quarterback. Yeah not a good start. But i would. I would presume the opposite them would be true for the playoff weeks. You get michael thomas back and you gotta stretch at home for the second half of the season. But who's the quarterback jameis winston okay. There's no way he could lose the job. what's he gonna do. Throw some interceptions. Peyton barbara was released by the washington football team. I'm not surprised or not either. Jared patterson's looked great in that role sobe gibson mckissick and patterson and then the packers News broke this morning. they're left tackle. This is bad david bakari. Uh on the pup list to start. The is gonna miss six weeks. How you feel not great k when they lost their center in free agency. So this is something. We haven't really talked about a lot but this offensive line Certainly downgraded from last year's super efficient often so something to monitor all right. 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Pirates are like. They're really bad. Not that this is not a really you glorifying character fashion Ebay pirate for good. I was going robin question. Is there any good pirate. I'm sure they're pulled up on another boat and they're like here's some oranges like you guys look hungry I don't know if they're back good if they did. I mean scurvy number one problem. Yeah and and all ships bearing people Here's some citrus. So that's why the oranges came out. scurvy on the mind bold predictions time for twenty twenty one I have a thirty two shamelessly bold predictions article that is coming out today. last year had some hits in there like derrick henry leading the league in rushing in rushing touchdowns in tampa making the super bowl and godwin evans and gronk and all them not being so great or metcalf over. Lock it so. We've got some predictions to of two predictions each on today's show. So this would be the part where jason steps out of the room a moment. I'm sorry to be bringing this fourth but it is what i believe made apologize to your parents. Super bowl bringing shame upon the hallway name. My rankings have a reflected this bold prediction throughout the off season. They i did not have to make a tweak to them for this bold prediction to come true because this player i have at twenty one. But the bold prediction clyde edwards allaire running back for the kansas city chiefs. We'll finish outside the top twenty running backs again And obviously that is contrary to both of your opinions on clyde but let me make the case for you. Let me tell you why. I believe this to be true. Yes there was a lack of touchdowns last year. Now that is negative for a running back and It was a bit odd a little bit outside the bounds of what you normally see right. So we're looking at tut positive. Touchdown aggression as the cure for what ails clyde edwards. Allaire and maybe that changes maybe that magically changes. But i'm asking the question here with this bold prediction. Why would it change. And so i'm going to give you some some situations. Well will his effectiveness for fantasy change because of the screen game in the passing game. I don't think so. Clyde was horrible. He was one of the most inefficient pass catchers at the running back position in football last year. Fourth out of forty two running backs in terms of cash rate. Thirty six fifty five targets. There are two players on this team. That were much better. Daryl williams is a seventy five percent everything in camp was. He's going to be the third down back. And then now you have jerk. Mckinnon he's a seventy five percent Third down back. I watched every snap of jerick mckinnon. Yesterday he looks outstanding in the preseason. He brings an element to this team. That they don't have with clyde on third down. So i think both of those guys are going to siphon. Third down looks targets. From clyde he will still get some but he came into the league. Look i am the biggest clyde truth. They're out there last year coming into the draft. This is true. I loved him coming in. I watched one hundred and eighty one plate carries from him last year. I think mckinnon endure williams are going to offer a little bit more in the passing game. That's why they brought them in. And i think mccain and looks outstanding and that's what he's known for then i say well will he be better because of big place like i said i saw one hundred eighty one carries last year as long as play was thirty one yards. He's not a big play guy. he's just not. He's a very solid runner. But he'd not. He's not going to score a lot along touchdowns he's not gonna score outside the tin. So then i say well. We'll happen on the goal line and that's my maybe i think it might happen on the goaling. There's still the chance that they're williams. Whose much bigger than clyde is classified seven. There's still a chance that dr williams siphoned some of those carries. They gave a lot to bill last year around the goal line. Clyde was still the leader but he wasn't very good he got stuffed a lot. And so then i say well is the workload gonna go up. Is he going to be one of those. Kill the clock lots of volume guys. And i got two reasons why. I don't think that's going to happen. Which is number one. He's been hurt. He got hurt last year multiple times ankle and hip. He got hurt already. This preseason and so on you're saying well does the team trust him to over extend him and give him the kind of workload. We would hope for for fancy. I don't think that's going to happen based on the effectiveness of the other running backs and he was the worst running back in football when it came to killing the clock and having efficiency. You didn't get nick chubb. Kareem hunt into games. You got the second worst yards per carry in the fourth quarter. You got the most stuff fourth quarter running back. He got stuff a ton on the goal line so again. Twenty one is where. I have a meringue. This is not a berry clyde. This is a bold prediction because everybody has them inside the top twenty. I don't see it. And i wish i did. I wish i saw clyde the way that you guys did. Because i loved him coming out but i think he ends up outside the top twenty and disappointing people this year so it is bolt but it is. I can diction on clyde from back in the room. Jason oh thank you thank you i. I didn't hear a word you said good. I didn't say anything negative about him. yes fantastic. Yeah i mean. I i don't really need to Counterpunch here just go back. And listen to the mic guys episode for the counter argument But i'm going to step up here with my next bold prediction daunton and and this one is tom's worthy. Is that what you're starting with this heat. Yeah i'm bringing the fire saying that. Good old awful. Quarterbacks am darnold do is going to be a top twelve fantasy quarterback this year first of all. It's it's bold predictions. He's stay stupid things and no microphone. Well share well. Let let me give my reasoning for believing that sam darnold could actually be a top twelve quarterback this your first of all. There's a lot of precedents for this. You look back and every single year. on average. There are two quarterbacks that are outside of the top sixteen drafted that finish as a quarterback one but half of them one every single year on average is undrafted. So it's not like oh man we were. He was quarterback sixteen eighty p and then we got no. It's the entire fantasy community. Just completely got it wrong. And whether it's ryan fitzpatrick or blake bortles alex smith and darnold. Your god and darnold is the one that i think has a path forward to actually step forward. Sam darnold if you didn't realize or remember when he started. He was the youngest starting quarterback in nfl history. Currently a little baby boy. He will be going into this season the same age that rookie quarterback last year with into his rookie season. Joe borough and this is a team in the panthers that they looked around. They had draft capital. They have the number eight they had they. They took a look and they said this guy is younger than drove borough has. Nfl experience has talent like teddy. Bridgewater is safe. And while both teddy bridgewater and sam darnold were checking it down and throwing inefficient passes in an inefficient offense. Donald actually can air it out. He has the physical talent. He has a cannon arm And so when. I when i look at this. I think about last year without christian mccaffrey. Bridgewater was the quarterback nineteen already. He had five top twelve performances. You know through. He was the quarterback tin through the first ten weeks last year. This teddy bridgewater darnold has a higher ceiling than bridgewater. Now he has even a better cast of characters. You're telling me we love christian. Mccaffrey obviously after one does partially because what he does in the passing game. Dj more robbie anderson terrassa marshall they even added. I like the postman. This offense is loaded and while you could say talking about the polo. no never. He's burying him. He's got a better chance this year. Getting paid by carolina. Then he had last year in arizona. Did he had a better shot. So you have a guy that team went out. Targeted traded assets for on a loaded offense. Where last year. The quarterback who was ma- palooza Was all already decent for fantasy. And then i want to remind people about the adam gates effect. We have seen it with player after player after player after player after player. But most importantly there's one to talk about it's quarterback that's brian tannehill. And how much he. Just flat out sucked. When it was time he was on a sixteen game pace through his two seasons with adam gates for thirty. Two hundred yards exact. Same in fact a little bit less than what. Sam darnold was on pace when he had him If you look at some of the higher projections stats. Some of the expected. Points added type of stuff. Sam darnold over. The last two years was the second worst at that stat. While the two years that hill was with adam gays he was thirty third at a thirty nine in epa. He sucked the last two years. Ryan santa has been number. One adam gaze holds people back for sure. His offense was mind-numbingly stupid. So when we've seen sam darnold suck. Yeah some of it's on him. he's we all remember him seeing ghosts out there the most unfortunate time ever but this is a little baby boy Playing with adam gates. That's why he's scared of ghosts right. I mean we scared of ghosts guy and night. Light or the huddle. It's dark in there. But i i think that sam darnold actually has physical talents lie and maybe this is. The bias of winnie was drafted. I thought he was a really good prospect. Obviously the most of the nfl did as well. You had really been behind the scenes. You have been just inappropriately. Pro sam darnold offseason. So i i. This is not new. It's bold to the listeners. Is not bowl for our office. Now i did make you move this bold prediction up to top twelve fifteen and you were like sure. Let's go well. i think it's in the range of outcomes. The adam gave the talent and the offense. Those are the three reasons. And when i'm drafting someone super-duper late undrafted. He's the quarterback twenty seven. I think he takes a lot of boxes for being the guy who goes from undrafted top. He certainly has all of the weapons. And if you're exclamation when you go that's teddy bridgewater. If that exclamation ends up true. Where darnold isn't actually better. Talent and bridgewater which is super tvd. But if that's true he has weapons to support it. So i i'd love to see it happen. So what sam darnold and so would this show. Okay we'll do more darnold schwarzenegger impressions mike. What is your first bold prediction for this episode. So i mentioned at the top of the show. So i'm going to start off with this one. My first bold take damian. Harris will finish the season as a top twenty running back. You're you're you're making the sour face at me. It's not sour. No that was a that was me deciding if top twenty was. Is that bold enough. I don't feel like this bolton it's you know where do you have him ranked andy. I well i well i mean. Are you doing a bit. You look at my rankings into your predictions based off of that. No i do. Not i have him at twenty four. I have them at thirty three. Okay so if you're projecting a runny mega thirty three hearing someone say he's going to finish inside the top twenty. I will go well. That's a bold. Take just like. I have Clyde edwards allaire as a running back one. And i hear you say he's outside the top twenty. I go. that's bull. Take home on my make them your number one. come on. he's gonna finish higher than christian. Mccaffrey thank you. Look back at what has happened with with bay. All i was doing. He's trying to bait fifteen pick here. I can't. i can't do that because the pass catching is kind of get a nineteen top nine. We daily reread your prediction please. Let's here's his. Really aesthetically. Pleasing damian harris will finish as top nineteen running back off all right. So here's where let's get to the me. Go my go just remember. Remember what happened here. The story That daming harris's writing in the nfl last off season. Everything was building towards him. Being the primary guy for new england got hurt in preseason came in. he only played ten games. But in those ten games he was a top twenty four running back in five out of the ten and he did that with two touchdowns because cam newton was stealing all of the golan carries last cam. Newton had ten carries in had the tenth most carries inside the red zone he had the fourth most. Oh yeah we need. Thank you farewell. Farewell budi scooter already had to hit. He will ask chance he will no longer be scooting his booty in new england where last year he had the fourth most carries inside the five. That's a lot those carries will now go for like not every single one of them but the bulk of them will go to damian harris. This offense they just signed. Johnny smith and hunter henry. You think they paid those two tight ends a whole bunch of money to play one at a time. No they're going to be in two tight end sets. They're all run heavy team. They already had a great offensive line. It it like run heavy like i said. Last year the third most rushing attempts in the league. I'm not saying that. Deeming harasses a top ten. I'm saying he's going to be top. Nineteen and his provides right you are. He has an incredible value where he is going and drafts and like casually have a drafted yet and your casually. You're going to be able to extract some serious value. We can't i can't in good faith say daming harris top ten because the passing volume. Just it's not gonna be there but inside the top twenty every year. You do have a handful of these running backs that aren't pass catches they get down with with just the rushing yards and touchdowns and the jason you kind of alluded to it at the top of the show an outlier season where daming hairs scores twelve plus rushing touchdowns while. We're not saying that's going to happen. That's in the realm of possibilities for this team. We call that a garrett blunt yeah weighted blanket of cam. Newton has been removed from the team. So it definitely. It feels more. We said before. It feels more optimistic across the board because the possibilities aren't boxed in like the cam offense was going to be. We knew what it was going to be. We watched it. It was hard to watch at times. So yes that is. There's a lot of optimism. And i could see top nineteen and look for reminder. Stevenson has looked great in the preseason. That's troop but he's he's still a rookie and offer sure and bill. I mean you know bill. Bill's a wild card is the only reason i brought. That up is like bill could just do that from day one. He doesn't wildcard but he's also a bit of a crime russian and old school that i. I think that the rookie is gonna have to earn his way onto the field. Much like damian harris head to who did he used to use around the goal line of turner. Remember the guy that was playing. No i know that but the special teams. Oh randy that's right. That's the name that haunts the dreams of many. Yes all right. Great my second bold prediction for today's episode is what i'm calling the five pack of flips. I really couldn't come up with a title. Look we we gotta get back to you with a z. Oh now are you in yeah. That's super cool. Flipflops soup school. I'll wa- here's what we've talked a lot about these situations where you have wide receiver twos wide receiver ones by. Adp how they perform. I have a five pack of players that are being drafted behind their counterparts at the wide receiver. Position that i will that. I believe we'll finish ahead of them. Now this happened eleven times last year. There were eleven teammates that were drafted second by. Adp ended up finishing fantasy wise ahead of their team. That finished first. So i've got five. And i'm not considering this bold prediction a home run unless all five hit so. It is a pack. This is a parlay. They all have to hit. Oh and then. I get the applause only four or five hit. I don't get it. That's how far they works That's right it doesn't pay out so here are the five. Julio jones ahead of aj brown. No man julio. I believe will demand more targets and still has the physical ability. He will end up ahead of. Aj brown number two. I demand respect in his office. And i'm still not giving a your tattoos what you don't deserve but i mean it ain't government and your pirate itself Chris i'm day above mike evans. The second flip deebo samuel above brandon. Euch is the third cooper cup ahead of robert. Woods and t higgins over jomar chase the first one there's going to be your your your hardest scher Way to come through on all five julio over. Aj brown is you might look. That's hard to come by. i'm. I'm concerned about julio jones. We brought them up as reluctantly brought him up as a bus just because of his eighty p. But andy. If i mean if you really wanna get spicy. I think there's a six you need to add. I'm not adding. Aj green above deandre hopkins. If that was the one you were bathing. You're a coward. What's your plenty is two of these. I didn't even realize 'cause i'm looking at the ones that did it last year. Robert woods was drafted behind cooper cup and Was the better fancy player and brandon. I was drafted below depot. Last year was the better fantasy player. Some are due to injury right like marvin jones over at this list and the majority of them are due to injury. Several of them are for sure. Yeah or or suspension. You know fuller and brandin cooks. Probably wouldn't have ended up that way without that Marvin jones in kindergarten. But i'll think injury that's fine the path it doesn't matter to jefferson and feeling we're both healthy and That was a situation where jefferson ended up ahead of him. So we shall see. But that's my second bold prediction the five pack of flips with the z. All right. I like speaking of a five pack. I'm going to the well. It's my yearly fantasy trap team for my bust call. I've done this on. All our bus shows over the last several years currently. I do not give myself a win last year. I don't i don't on the tampa bay buccaneers because brady was good Godwin obviously wasn't But he was injured. The running game was bad. But i guess mike evans was still pretty good. Yes he was. Yeah that i said. I mean i should get a win but have credit. Well thank even with no credit who normally hold on a second okay. I know you you did this with the patriots. Yes and they won the super bowl. What did was a huge win. By point my point is they won the super bowl. And then i did it with bernie data with brady and the the tampa bay buccaneers saying. I'm setting the table for your super bowl winner. Right super bowl winner. It's going to be larger this year. It's going to be real bold but this is for fantasy. So i right now over the last five years not including last year i would have an eighty percent hit rate. I'm hitting these and this year this year. The team that i think is a universal bust for fantasy is the cincinnati. Bengals there. amy brunner's asinine it is cockamamie. It is absolutely 'non-sensitive. Fine cock the adp for the bengals passing attack. All ready bakes in the assumption that they are elite. The only other team that is having. Adp like this is the dallas cowboys who we have seen beat elite with deck who has more talented more proven assets on the field. We have You know. I've i've brought up to chase as as a as a bust candidate But i now you get to do it again. But it's beyond just chase the bad vibes of the preseason. Joe borough has not been great and is coming off of a very difficult knee. Injury jomar chased better than aj. Brown was last year for this team. But that doesn't mean aged green. Yes green thank you But that doesn't mean that's good for fantasy. That could be bad for fantasy. Because now t higgins might not be able to do what he would have been able to do tyler boyd. Who's being drafted still very relevantly high. Think he's like the wide receiver. Thirty six Is is. I mean the upside just as it exists there. Borough was being drafted. High and joe mixing is one of those players where we've talked about him. The volume itself is usually king and is enough. But when i'm on the clock. And i'm staring at joe mixing you just have that feeling like having a hard time he's gonna let down again I view this team. Very very similar very similar to how i viewed the twenty nineteen cleveland browns and on that roster they universally busted with the exception of chop chop had a good year. He had the volume but jarvis was drafted high in busted. Baker was the quarterback four and busted. Odell beckham was draft super high in busted. I i am avoiding this team to the best of my ability for where they are going. And if you think about this is a team. That's being drafted. they're elite. they have been really bad. Under zack taylor twenty-third and pace of play. Twenty nine points per game twenty nine th at total yards. Twenty seven passing yards and down. Right yes from last year. And taylor but it's just one of those things where it's like we are expecting a huge breakout. Drafting as if it's already happened. And i don't even think it's going to happen. Plus they are in the hardest this second hardest division. I mean i'm not convinced. That taylor is great head coach. And he's in a division with really great coaches. Who see this guy over and over. You gotta play the steelers twice. You gotta play the ravens twice. I think the browns defense is good. It's not a tough sell to me. I'm on board with it mixing. It's still player that i think what fantasy relevance but maybe below adp. I mean. we're talking in the office. We both keep passing on him. Yeah why we're like. This is not fair. I am willing to draft mixing because of the volume but yeah. It's really true whenever i'm push. Come to shove whatever my ranking says. i'm like gibson mix and let's go gibson for me clyde mixing. let's go clyde So i keep pushing mixing them. Mike aright my final spicy. Take my bold prediction for two thousand twenty one and you ought to flip a five pack of flips and you mentioned chris. Godwin drafted later. The mike avid. You think chris godwin finished his higher than mike evans. This spicy shameless bold prediction. Says you did not go far enough. Don't antonio brown becomes the most valuable fantasy wide receiver for the tampa bay loss. I like what is right in the middle of the a team name buck. What i i had a decision. I had to make on the fly. Do i shorten to spock's or do i just steamroll through and get the whole word out. I think you know within ears. Yeah here's here's where in. No one's projecting this in fantasy drafts or old. But this is like something to me. That could actually happen. Let's look at the history of antonio brown. I mean not mentioning what i will mention it. He's one of the best wide receivers of this generation. Antonio brown will go down historically as one of the best wide receivers of all time and it's not speculation to say. Tom brady likes antonio brown. Go back to the raiders drama when antonio brown frozen feet off and like there was all this craziness happening with the raiders and then he got released and antonio brown is immediately picked up. Uncle bill grabbed the phone and said ab come over to our team and he starts right off the street and he gets a twenty nine percent target share. He finished that game. Four for fifty six and one off the street into the new england patriots. Offense that by the way the patriots offense has retired many many prolific wide receivers. They've gone into training camp. They thought they were like. Oh i'm going to go one last shot here i'm gonna i'm gonna ride it out. Try and get a championship but the patriots and they go now man this. This is not for me and they end off. They sail off into the sunset where what happened last year. Well antonio brown off the street yet again for the tampa bay buccaneers and he walks right into a twenty percent target share in fact since he started when it was like week. Nine i believe all three tampa bay wide receivers were healthy. He had a higher target and russia. Reception share then. Chris godwin and now antonio brown has an actual offseason with tom. Brady has an actual off season in the offense that he is going to be a big part of last year Mike evans finished. Okay for fantasy football but you saw him disappear. You had six games. Mike evans had five or fewer targets. And i think that antonio brown mike just still be a top tier wide receiver. Yes he is he is all. Oh gosh but my voice. A public opinion antonio brown like thirty three years old now. That's what i was going to say. He is older now. But antonio brown's true success in the nfl has been as a tactician has been as a an elite separator guy. A guy that has several release moves off the line he is. He's a better athlete than his measurable. Like if you go back and look at us. Forty and stuff. He's actually faster than that on the field but he is a top tier wide receiver because he learned the craft. It's not because he's just bigger strong. He's not decay metcalf. I'm faster and bigger than you. Beat you antonio brown's small guy jerry rice and larry fitzgerald's they're just great at football. They know what the db's are doing. They know what the defense is doing. They know how to set up the routes and they are great. I personally love the value of antonio brown in-draughts. He's he's definitely one of my usual Mid late round targets. So i'm i'm fine with this and also i mean he's over a decade younger than his quarterback so he is of brady's a spring chicken finding because godwin is almost a decade younger than brown. So i'd be witness. If antonio brown's a better wider than twenty five year old chris godwin mike will be the bold king of the year. All right i like it. You have been in the antonio brown camp all off season and definitely. It's definitely given me pause. When we're doing these drafts and you think about him late. Like what if that's true and what you're getting because this is. This is a bold prediction. Show let me let me put it this way. Tom brady if he ha- antonio brown. Is anything close to what you're saying this is. This is one of the best offenses in history. Yeah like legitimately. He's a great offensive line. Three elite wide receivers legitimately think about it. All three of these have finished in the top. Three and fantasy am i right. Yes been one. Many times got hummus too. I'm pretty sure. Evans has been in that range before. I'm not sure as highs finished but yes mike. No one's going to argue. That mike evans who's had thousands of all year. Yeah i think they're looking evans has been the number two overall the receiver. So you've had you've had three players that might still be in their prime is to it Gronk has been pretty valuable in his own right time to time and also if you've watched preseason first team snap counts because i had some questions. Oj howard coming back. Grunk is gronk is interesting. We we have not brought his name up almost at all Through this process but oh we could add to the concrete. Shouldn't yeah but he is. He is interesting. I mean you want a guy who could get touchdown. Obviously a lot of mouths to feed in the offense and this is why we like brady because at all we might not know. Who's going to get it this game but brady gets at all absolutely so i like it. It's going to be very interesting year. Bald predictions finished. 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Fantasy Takeaways From The Last NFL Preseason Games

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Fantasy Takeaways From The Last NFL Preseason Games

"The whole city so welcome to fantasy focus. You can watch us. Every weekday eleven am eastern on espn twitter. Facebook and youtube feeds as well as the espn app. And if you're listening to the audio fee. Today's podcast is presented by geico. You can download fantasy. Focus wherever you get your podcast. Good monday morning to everybody out there. Watching on the live stream field matthews to daniel here. And we're going to recap not just week. Three of the preseason which is now officially over but unfortunately a busy week in terms of news matthew. And it's not even the nfl's regular season yet and we've already lost three first or second year running backs to season ending. Injuries just brutal. It's awful and it's one of those things it's like you know literally just so just on On greenie mike greenberg radio show and he asked me. This came up because his he was doing a fantasy drove the sun and it's undrafted. Jk dobbins and he was just like you know asking for advice on that. And i said. I would love it if i would tell you like you know. Hey this is the last injury that we're going to see but it's unfortunate the. Nfl is a violent game. And there's going to be more injuries than me more opportunities for backup players so it's awful and you know. He said this on twitter. I did this last night. I did a reaction video to the jk. Dobbins dri the unfortunate part of our job and we are all lucky to get to do this as ernie johnson sat right right. This is a get to job. Not a half job right. This is a gift to job. And we'd get to do this and so but it's a very lucky job. But the unfortunate part of it is that when there are injuries in the nfl and when young men seeing their dream sort of crumble and they you know they they suffer versity as jk dobbins did yesterday We have to be transactional about it on some level and say hey. This is the fancy impact of that because when there's nfl news no matter how unfortunate there's a fantasy impact to it and that's what we do so it's it is it's absolutely brutal you hate to see it And it's it's not just. It's not just the running backs like you know. Irv smith the promising young tight end also hurt he hilton on and on and on and on and so it's It's a shame but it keeps our friends to find your employees. Let's get to those injuries. That matthew's teed up in few more fine with just go to baltimore. I think most people know the headline right now involving jk dobbins but philipson with the latest. On what you know in the prognosis for him. Beyond this season it was reported by adam schefter tours. Acl and he's done for the year so that's the immediate part that we know but if you watch the injury on video and we always look at the mechanism because it can tell us things he had that hit to the leg which forced his knee into hyperextension and there are a number of structures that can get involved by hyperextension injury. One of the complicating factors unfortunately for dobbins that. His foot was planted on the ground. So that means there's no give it the ankle. And the knee takes the brent of it and if you go back and look at it closely the defender comes in slightly at an angle. So he's not going straight back he's actually going towards the back outside corner and that means there can be more structures involved in. They often don't know the extent of it until they get in there for surgery. So i would say stay tuned because as we've seen with players coming back this year not all acl. Injuries are created equal. And we'll update as soon as we know more and so we'll know more about who's twenty twenty two and beyond outlook but we have seen speaking generally a lot of running backs comeback and at some point look like themselves they promising second season for jk dobbins unfortunately will not take place so matthew as you said he's to do so but i think people understand that there is A part of our work that is analyzing the fallout from significant injuries. And that leads us to gus edwards that presumptive next man up in baltimore and he's the gust bus. He's well known because he has been a part of their backfield for several years now. He earned a contract extension. This off season to the ravens have long valued gus edwards. He was right around running back. Fifty prior to this news in our consensus rankings. Following the injury get jacob dobbins. How much do you value were. How do you value gus edwards for this season. I think well you know. I mean like so you know we always talk about. Hey follow the money right. I mean that extension. I think there was some perception at least amongst fantasy players. That said was just sort of a guy right and the ravens certainly did not treat him as such the ravens gave him. You know very nice extension in the offseason. Make sure he's stuck around. I ranked him running back twenty three. Okay so here's the positives of guests. Gus edwards right. He's going to get the majority of the running and rushing for the ravens and the last nine years is only teams they. Nfl that of rush the ball over fifty percent of the time the twenty twenty ravens the two thousand nineteen raymond's now you'd alive. Lamar jackson skews a bunch of that. Okay let's be clear. But if you take lamar jackson everything just look at running backs. Over the last two years ravens are seventh and running back rush attempts and six in red zone running back rushing attempts. So they're running backs. Do get a lot of work. Both in close and in general and gus edwards is gonna majority of that. He's going to get all the goal line work at least what. Lamar jackson doesn't take on an offense that i think is going to be in scoring position quite often find a good offensive line now. Here's the challenge with gus edwards. He doesn't catch any past ever right like he's just not involved in the passing game. He's a north-south runner. And so i think that limits his upside but i think there's a volume play. I think assuming health. I would be surprised if he doesn't have double digit rushing touchdowns this year. Maybe it's ten. Okay so what it's gonna take. I think it's gonna take ten rushing touchdown to get where you haven't rb twenty twenty-three initially had arbi thirty to bump them up all the way to rb twenty nine. So i'm okay because it's going to take one of two things from guys edwards to be a top twenty five running back this year. It's gonna take either ten or twelve rushing touchdowns which i hear you on the idea that like. It's a run heavy offense and they are a good team. Like i don't care who you are like. It's difficult to run for ten touchdowns in any season right like any player other than derrick henry. Basically right like it's much more of the outlier than it is the expectation in a given season. There's a chance against the ten rushing touchdowns and have to be on top of probably a minimum of nine hundred or a thousand receiving yards. Because here's a trivia question for you. At that point she's rushing yards to take your point nine hundred receiving yards in his career. They played for thirty years about this. He's played in forty three games in his career forty. Three how many catches do you think has forty three games five. Wow that's a few more than that but not much and so the and it's not just the number of catches matthew. It's like the kind of passing game usage that you were getting from gus edwards. Right is that christian mccaffrey. If he put an eight while. I guess now you could just wear if he just became number two and not twenty two your plan with wide receiver and probably look pretty darn good writer. Sure gus words the passing game. He says it's going to probably be exclusively screens. And maybe an occasional dump off right such limited upside in running back npr score. That doesn't catch the ball at all. You have to be an alien like a derrick henry. Nick like nick. Chubb is hard to rank higher than where we have like ten or eleven and he might have four under rushing yards and ten touchdowns this year. Right here's my question for you. what do you have. Josh jacobs ranked josh jacobs frank. Twenty two okay. I said this is you want to right. And i don't expect you have your memory. You know your rankings. Adam recently so yeah but whatever it just general area so you have them like just outside your top twenty right fair. What's the difference in all seriousness. What's the difference between gus edwards and josh jacobs. Yeah i made this point on my twitter video my reaction which is like neither guys involved in the passing game. I a little bit more but not significantly more catches okay but okay eighteen more catches but whatever and then you tell me where i'm wrong. I think so. Both guys are generally not of the passing game. Both guys need volume for fantasy success. My argument with gus edwards better offensive line of baltimore than in las vegas. Any better team that is going to be leading or close. More than the raiders where there are more likely to run the ball. I also think the raiders is an awesome. I'm sorry the ravens as an offense or more likely to run the ball than the raiders just in terms of offensive philosophy. So my argument to you is saying hell for both guys. What's the argument for. Josh jacobs over gus edwards. And what doesn't have a kenyan drake behind him right. Exactly that's the thing is is like tyson williams. We'll talk. I can't reasonable minds can disagree around words. Okay gus edwards is and i mean this asia endearingly because we use this term way too much when we say a player is a north south rohner. It's a cliche because you can't think of a different way to describe a guy who's not very wiggly right like he's not gonna make you. Miss is not going to right for the record. I'm a north-south walker correct. That's bad for your sake though. It's good to keep her equilibrium. It's basically if it's not up the gut matthew like it's it's just not that he wouldn't be this tremendous fit and san francisco like outside zone scheme or you're pressing on trying to find the whole like north south. I don't know the volume is going to be just. He takes over all the running back volume. And josh jacob flashier now again things can change but he got you in receiving value only from doing the math thirty three plus twenty five point eight would get two twenty six fifty nine points. More are not more. I mean i always had a little bit receiving value but at fifty nine point as a receiver last year it good enough receiver. That has some upside. I just think it's a better player with better volume and better receiving value. I really believe that across the board not gonna argue with you on better player but honestly as we both know better player doesn't necessarily mean panacea value value is both talent and opportunity. We think edwards is talented. He may not be more talented than josh. Shake as we think he has talented. I would argue with you on the opportunity. Because i think he's going to actually get as much if not more work than josh jacobs to the point. They paid kenyan drake a lot of money. And that's going to be more. That's more of a pass happy team then. The ravens are much worse. Defense the ravens. They're going to be in a lot more shootouts. And it'd be whoever you ain't running the ball against kansas city twenty times if you wanna stay with the however last year a lot of those same things applied josh jacobs third-most touches per game in the nfl tied for the leading to goal to go touches. Go russia so four his career for his career and games in which josh jacobs does not get twenty touches. He averages ten point six fantasy points per game. Yeah he is. When he doesn't get insane volume. He is very pedestrian through his create. And that's a that's a sixteen game sample thirsty cal. Keeping honest to buy those numbers wrong. But i'm pretty sure that's right in sixteen games where he gets under twenty touches He's averaging ten point six this though. But i just noticed You have one spot ahead of josh shakeups. That was purposeful. You bet i'm down for making a board of the idea. I say josh jacobs outscores. Gus edwards pansy. This season. i say gus edwards outscores josh jacobson fantasy. This year put on board putting on the board. All right. i just wanna board bed. That's exciting for what it's worth. I just think mark andrews value continues to go up savan. You break the tie here. Survive you break the john. Jay did raiders. The other day and i was high unjust jacob so people who watched the other day. Probably that i would would sit on the jacob sized best to find your tie defined is undecided. Break the data on the playing the middle. She's being switzerland didn't you. You don't have to make a choice. Okay go ahead. Daniel go ahead break the tie. I think that round was a split decision. Matthew i think it goes to both of you So no points are awarded and in fact. We're all actually talk. Stop a daniel thirsty here. They go also years on me. Field with two ties. Fear pick right there. Let's keep on moving to the news. Let's be quite here because there is no fantasy value for the player. Traded that being gardner menchu's shipped off to philadelphia in exchange for a conditional. Six round picks. So the mullet moves to philly. I think the most important piece of context cheers. And i have a new halloween costume. This year's i can just swap out. The jaguars. Jersey and headband. For a kelly green philadelphia. Eagles uniform could just photoshop it. No i'm gonna. I'm gonna shave my legs district. I don't wanna get the international way to tonight. You want to borrow some my hair on my legs met your head. We have a. We'd have a more normal. You know we'd figure out if we could. There's some doctor out there that can figure out how to take the leg and transferred onto my head that would be. It's so creepy just took nature keeps probably helpful. That'd be and then use the keeps products onto that would be known as as a win win. That'd be one okay. Is you go matthew any fancy value. Here i don't think there's any fantasy value to garner vinca going to philadelphia but it does make you wonder how confident and i used confident loosely. The eagle like. I'm all in jalen hurts us here. I think he's got a monster fantasy season. I'm as a top ten fantasy quarterback. But you do wonder if the eagles are maybe hedging their bets a little bit by because they have joe flacco who is not say professional quarterback. Yeah right. I mean right now. A veteran quarterback obviously a lot of success in this league. It's been a bit. But whatever. Joe flacco who's a professional quarterback and they trade for menchu. Who's a younger player. With a little bit of upside you know inconsistent but certainly shown flashes in his young career. So you just wonder if the leash on joe jalen hurts. More sh more short than we may have anticipated. We don't weird interesting quarterback room in philadelphia right now. Jalen hurts joe flacco in garner. Minzhu have i just any team photo. Usc seriously or across the board their cross the jail jalen and they have a four th guy to forget they released nick. Big marlins okay. That was another name. Yeah exactly i think. Nicholas john somewhere. We have more news coming in just a bit including more game recaps but first doing me and my friends my clay endangered adopt. A virtual live mailbag podcast recording. We'll answer your question. Save the date for next wednesday september first at six. Pm eastern time. We'll we'll hop on zoom virtual live show presented by our friends at geiko body armor. Nfl sunday ticket. Registration is required in space is limited but the event is totally free and ready to spend the entire time answering the questions that you guys submit when you register register at bit dot l. y. slash fantasy focus ninety one that's all lower case bit dot l. y. slash fantasy focus and then the number ninety. One we really hope you guys will join us next. Wednesday september first at six pm eastern for virtual live mailbag show with me. Mike clay and field yates presented by geico body armor and our friends at nfl. Sunday ticket. Let me clean up. Because i'm not good at reading We say next wednesday. We mean like two days from right now the date as well. So i'd say temer i is this wednesday not next that's on that's not best raider reading. I should've that's on me. i don't read. Well we'll get back to Football in just a second. But i take a moment to say happy birthday to my lovely wonderful patient strong courageous and perhaps delirious wife from marrying me shape and who turns thirty today today should be a national holiday. As far as i'm concerned. Happy birthday to shape what you should do. Your birthday gift should should be. What's that is. You should shave your legs. So she doesn't have to at least tonight. At least tonight. She can have one night of peaceful slumber without without those beastly limbs of yours rubbing up against her under the blanket. Let's let's be poor that poor thing which is just like i feel so bad for her and she's so sweet and by the way. Here's the other thing about shaping like for people that have never met in person. Cheapen is petite like she. Is you know what. I mean like growing these days. I understand she certainly growing at her belly but she's all belly. She's going to be all belly. I think as a as a pregnant woman and like just whatever it was established. You're you're a big guy. Six right whatever the roster which means like six five hundred down yeah i'm just saying and probably like slip. She like she has to should play like edged trying to escape. Is you know those. Those sasquatch ian legs of yours right and you know the poor thing. I'm just saying for her birthday suggestion. She has an alternative. She probably would prefer which would be me how. Yes exactly correct We actually we have guest bedrooms. I can go sleep in one of those you and cisco in one of the guest bedrooms. She wants to go in bed with her happiness right there. Look it's very clear where i stand for now in the backyard understood three and a half before soon but three and a half right now. It's not even a question mark. Because i rank amongst the other people in our home keeping our love you happy birthday cannot wait to celebrate later. Oh let's get to that's right. Let's get to the vikings and the chiefs Which there were games. Both friday saturday and sunday this weekend. So we'll start. Friday night chiefs win twenty twenty five and we briefly. Saw patrick mahomes. I'm here to tell you. The travis kelsey patrick mahomes and tyreek hill are all good to go for this season. We also serve smith and he was moving and in on friday night and then we find out yesterday that he's hurt. what's up. yeah. I had smith is one of my sleepers for. The season was really excited to see him doing so. Well unfortunately has a meniscus. Injury now is expected to undergo surgery. That's going to at least cost him. The start of the season the challenges. We don't know how much time and it depends really what they do in their With this injured meniscus if it's just what they call a debris or trim it can be as little as a few weeks if it's an actual repair. It can sideline him for multiple months so again. We should have a better idea once surgeries taking place. All right so no. Probably a couple of months for our could be couple months herb smith so i think matthew that because of this news and the uncertain time line for now he gets probably punt on earth smith as redraft argues. That is that correct. I think that if you're right monster maybe potentially potentially potentially a couple of months like you know like. He was a break- candidate that we thought like suddenly tyler. Conklin is now like if you wanna late round flyer at tight end but we are. It's interesting right. i had said previously. And i'm just going to pivot off of irv smith for a second just to talk about the position as general petr still drafting. We've got a lot of drafts here of the next two weeks or so very much so that know i was saying in my draft manifesto was like hey i don't want to be one of the first people. My league drafted tight end or one of the last. And but you know because of you think about some of the later round tight after the big names right. Herb smith was know eight to twelve range so he wasn't deep name as others but like at trotman right. Now he's been he's banged up. Anthony folks are who we thought might take over that. Johnny smith role at least in the preseason. He's been rotating with a couple of guys like it doesn't look like that's the thing that's going to happen. I know you're high on john. Who smith but hunter henry is still there like. I actually think. I think. I want one of those. I seven tight ends like i want. I want kelsey waller dome mark andrews. Logan thomas hopkinson definitely hawks four. And then you've got kyle pits and then dow scattered no kazak lear. A part of the reason. I was high got it. It's because i thought zakar will be another team by now right and so like. I like the idea of like amazon sleeper. I like the idea of gerald everett in seattle. But by the way. We'll definitely can play. Like i think people are gonna be surprised. You know or shouldn't be like we'll d'isly can play like we'll this seattle so it just. It starts getting a lot more thin than i think. People thought even coal committee who we all like. Jimmy graham still. They're like and not he's gonna take some you know enough snaps away to be annoying for those that roster coal combat. Espera horton had three touchdowns. This week. I mean right well. What probably where. He goes from princeton princeton. That's right. But i mean like this is it. I think for people that drafted a month ago. A couple of weeks ago early in august. I think the tight imposition suddenly looks a lot different than it. Did you got no offense. I mean i think we all like no fan but suddenly. That's a you know with with judy. And sunland hamblur. Like there's a and in jonty williams. Melvin gordon the backfield suddenly. There's weirdly a lot of mouths to feed. And what should be a low volume offense over next time we like. Let's clip this conversation because the next time some random tight has like six catches in a game. We discuss them on monday. And i'm like he fits into this big old category of tight ends. That could once every once in a while sweet and otherwise we'll probably be like pretty low volume and not that relevant fantasy every single week reference back to this conversation fair enough is tyler conklin. Worth a flyer non. I mean if you get stuck in. There's literally no one else available. Maybe but i gotta figure there at least twenty options better than him right now and drafts because what verve is back in four weeks right then. It'd be kicking yourself for using a pick on tyler. Conklin who good athlete nice player but not exactly a game changer. What is the range dividing so you think it could be four weeks a couple of months like what is the usually we say in a meniscus debris. I mean earliest. You've seen people come back is a couple of weeks. But you're not gonna start a long season rushing it so i would say you look to give it the outer boundary like four to six weeks but if you do a repair you're talking more than three months when we have more information a lot. More risk drafting. Irv smith in redraft. This year than there was a couple of days ago. I agree with you. Feel a only in the deepest of leagues. And only where you have an ira spot. I wanna keep going in just a second but before we asked to find you about. Ty hilton the latest on his health concerns. 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And you're going to be entered for a chance to win one of hundreds of amazing prices for your next tailgate. No purchase necessary void where for habitat opened residents of us eighteen and older. There is a big words in there. Matthew and good job with it. I'm really proud of use my second language. Everyone knows that. What's your first language. Let's do the next next won hilton one but she dead. You didn't wanna laugh at that. One did define you. What can you tell us about oh well. Ty hilton's first language is loved to bring thirty-one-year-old wide receiver now dealing with the disc injury in his neck This is really up in the air. Right now. frank reich said he's undergoing further evaluation. They're optimistic that it's not season ending. But they really have no idea how long he's going to be away. It's really too bad. You know it again. I was at colt camp. And i was thinking that. Ti hilton looked great. And there was a lot of chatter about some of the rapport that he developed pretty early with carson wentz and got him feeling comfortable there before. Obviously cars got hurt So it's really unfortunate because you know here's ty sort of even the twilight of his career and then dealing with a serious whenever you have a disc issue in your neck. it's significant i will say this One thing to keep in mind is that they're director of rehab at the colts is the one who rehab peyton manning after he had his disk issues in his neck and his surgery. So it's not like they aren't familiar with it. But i'm not saying that. Ty's headed for surgery. I'm just saying that it. He's in a good spot. I think what you're saying here is that when t- way hilton comes back. He's going to throw fifty five touchdowns. Yes pretty sure. That's what you're saying for the broncos and win a super bowl and won a super bowl. I i'm ever framing in this case broncos of started a wide choice trying to find a silver lining for these guys because you know the these are tough injuries. And it's certainly disappointing but I it doesn't mean the end of the road. And i think we just have to keep that in and by the way and i and i wanna be clear. I'm i'm just making a joke for fun but not making a joke at ti hilton's spence. We all love. Ty hilton here. We're rooting for him to come back. We excited to get him back on the field for the colts and for fantasy My take on this injury. Our field is that look. I think michael pitman's really talented player. And if i'm if. I'm throwing a dart at a colts wide receiver. It's michael pittman and then zach pasco. That's the that's the order. I would put them in Having said that though my expectation is that this is going to be an offense that it's still going to be run heavy and run. I mike dictation. Is that going to be a pretty good defense and not community shootouts and that carson wentz is going to spread the ball around and so you know the idea that suddenly because ty hilton is out for an extended period of time. Michael pittman becomes this amazing alpha dog. I think he's got the talent to be. And you know if you told me. Hey carson wentz is going to like eight to ten targets a game. And i'm like i'm in on michael pittman believe in talent but i'm concerned about i think he's going to be a better. Nfl player than fantasy player. This year given the situation the quarterback. I just didn't move my ranking all matthew. Only because it's not like michael pittman where he is at rankings right now or in the rankings. Right now is stuff behind a bunch of like older veterans on their last legs. It's like oh you're trying to move. Michael pittman ahead of player. Like jay davis. Who's looked good. Risa veteran or a jalen waddell or devante smith players who have comparable category to him. There just are so so many wide receiver. So let's keep things moving here. We go further raised. Which is carson wentz is expected to be a full participant in practice. Obviously he's been outpost foot surgery. He quit nelson. Also activated off the reserve cove in nineteen list today so you could get both of them back in practice in the two weeks leading up to grandma's and i'll just say like you know you were like yeah. I agree for people that may not have been paying attention like wait. What about paris campbell. Zach pascal's been playing ahead of paris campbell so far this preseason again i don't know how are the colts depth chart you wanna be and how deep the league you're in but just in case you're going down. That far zack. Pascal is a nice player that like them there. And i think mike speculation is is that when they go with two wide sets. It's going to be pittman in pasco and just a reminder last year the twenty twenty culture a good example you can have a fairly efficient and solid passing offense single weekly target in fantasy football. That's they lock it in starter. Ty hilton got hot down the stretch but for awhile. Nobody in indianapolis was a must start. let's keep things moving here and go to denver where the rams traveled to play the broncos. The rams i think more than any other team in the nfl this year rested their starters in the preseason broncos though did not teddy bridgewater their new starting quarterback was on the field and find. Yeah i think i saw a tweet from yours surrounding portland sutton that i think would probably the most notable takeaway from this game. What did you see from the third year. wide receiver. Yeah the nfl. Caught has great clip of him breaking inside off. That left leg left leg the one that he had surgically repaired from his acl and l. injury and it was just the quickness with which he did it at that really relayed the confidence that he had in his knee. Just this quick break plant cut to the inside. And i think that's one of the things that we rarely get to see highlighted and it's one of the final hurdles for a player who's coming back. There was a lot of talk about sun training camp. He'd been running routes since the spring but by training camp there were still some struggles he was having and people thought maybe he's still hesitant about the knee which he acknowledged and one thing that this game did for him was it showed him. He could trust the knee. That's huge for him heading into week one and by the way he's a fourth year wide receiver but still the update from stephanie. There i think was probably the most notable takeaway from this game happy to see portland sutton looking closer to his old self. he's right around wide receiver. Twenty seven and twenty eight amongst most. Espn ranker's let's move ahead. Matthew to the rate is going to say one thing courtroom sutton and i know a lot of people are like because you'd be more than sutton big play guy had drew lock been named the star teddy bridgewater more of a conservative quarterback. Maybe a little bit better share on jerry. Judy who such a great route runner. I think korten sutton is quarterback proof like he's like it's been brutal like hey it's paxton lynch out there. I mean colin sutton has been quarterback proof throughout his brief. nfl career. And so while teddy bridgewater you would have liked a little bit more downfield. And you know kinda yellow action from the quarterback position than they have and teddy bridgewater. I do think that portland sutton is talented enough and a big enough red zone. Target that i don't think he should. He shouldn't be dropping outside the top. Thirty wide receivers in any draft reminds me of what some of the most notable fantasy analysts often say about players like portland sutton daniel cream rises right regardless of whether or not rise. You are playing with a backup quarterback veteran quarterback superstar quarterback or a journeyman quarterback. Now let's go to the hilton former quarterback health the former bay area battle. The raiders traveled to their old home near san francisco to play the forty niners. Four hundred thirty four ten. I personally like the quarterbacks are there are a story. My thoughts have not really changed on trae and jimmy garoppolo. I love the most important thing here. Was that when the niners were going with their quote unquote. Once to begin this game. It was not true sermon. it was not wayne goldman. Nobody else other than he most played every play on the opening drive matthew and reminded us all that he's a thing he's a good player. This is not some guy that they weren't drafting trae sermon. To replace. some has been running back or he moser has been phenomenal for the forty niners over the past couple of seasons. When he's been on the field is there a chance. Now he's actually become valued fantasy because i think there is yeah. I think there really is the concerns on rahim. Moster aren't talent aren't even scheme for health. Right i mean that's the concern on rahim oester but i mean you see that offensive line his explosiveness and oh by the way whenever trae sermon becomes the starting quarterback this team trae lights. God i keep doing that. Yeah trey land. Sorry you never know with trae. Sermon is versatile. I hang surprising. Sorry whenever trae lance whenever trae lance darn the forty niners drafting too young players named trae shadow to trey wingo. My favorite trae look whenever trae lance becomes the starting quarterback of the forty niners remote start like becomes even that much more exciting. I agree with you. I've been like you have to update my ranks after every preseason weekend and obviously when there's big news in there was a j. dobbins zoos. I'm i'm too low on remastered. i'm running back. Twenty eight and. I'm thinking to loan them at twenty-five i think you might be of them to feel i mean look. It's still going to be a committee. But he's i think as long as he's healthy he's going to be the head of that committee and that team run so much remember. Since shannon came to town. They rank fourth in running. Back fantasy point they lead the rushing the league the nfl in rushing yards before first contact over that stretch to great offensive line. Listen to the concern again with most is health but yeah man concerns. But it's it's health plus the possibility and jeff eventually the quarterback out there are many running. He's a really good player. That i think it'd be dropped too far in. Preseason ranks patriots current. His current eighty is running back. Twenty nine so you. And i both have my head of consensus and we both might be a little bit too low on him. Still patriots at the giants patriots. Win this game. Twenty two to twenty. The giants went for two in the closing seconds. Could not win. But that doesn't matter or could not tie it up. It doesn't matter what matters is that patriots avenue decision to make on their quarterback. Does how leave it right now. So bill check throughout the off season has served camps starter. Never said like he's our week once. He's our starter after the game. Last night he was asked whether or not the patriots had named a starting quarterback for week. One he said no. But it's sort of one of those lines like we haven't named any starter so it's matter of how you interpret it matthew. I don't where things are going to end up here. I tend to think it's like fifty to forty eight in favor of cam newton right now for week one. All i'm saying is that mack jones gave bill belichick something to think about this. Preseason and i. I've been saying this consistently that fan base of a team. That drafted quarterback in the first round feels pretty darn good right now But you know. I thought during the pre-draft process people started to make it four quarterbacks and then mack jones right case i would agree with that. Here's my question though about the cam. Newton mack jones. Because it's a big store to store in the nfl. Fantasy doesn't matter. Not sure does. Because i don't know i don't think you're drafting. Either quarterback came out later today and said this guy is starter here. You're drafting either. One of those quarterback. I think though actually what he got cam can do. More cams resume i i i think we i sometimes get sick here. And how like we speak of cam like it's as if this guy has an accomplished immense amount in the league freaking. Mvp took his team to the super bowl at this stage of his career. Though it's clear he's a much different player and mack jones better thrower. Sure whether that means it's on the it's not enough to guarantee on the job. He's a better thrower that could mean good things for the likes. I not just jones. Entre henry who might get there even with cam newton just because there are so few tight ends. We talked about earlier. To clay myers myers. They spent money on kendrick boring this off season they spent money on nelson this off season like okay but that would help. I hear you. I hear you. So it doesn't matter now. Drive them out when we if in the middle of the season like. You're like wow mack jones and kendrick boorda thing that would be less surprising to me than cam. Newton to kendrick benefit that makes total sense. But my point is right. Are you if bella comes out later today or tomorrow and names. One of the starter. Are you changing. How you approach the draft for jacoby myers. Either the tight ends any the running cetera. Maybe maybe couple of myers may maybe makes me like little bit more likely to to to use only. This is a nice leaper regardless like even in a year in which like the passing game for the patriots was putrid. Jacoby myers was useful last year. He was and so. I actually for me. It's sort of like it's a much bigger. Nfl story like they'll probably talk about it for a half hour and nfl today but like a to me. It's like for fantasy. it's sort of like all right. Let us know. But i don't think it affects how you approach the draft daniel. This might be getting too deep into it. But the idea. That cam newton who we know they love to utilize at the goal line might not match. Jones starts give deeming harris a little bit of a bump up from where you're at or do you not. Yeah sure is that yes. Yes but the problem is is like like stevenson. Right they they. They like andrei stevenson. They like james wyatt susan. Mvp i voted last notice. I saw that congratulations to rwanda. I'm going to send them something fantastic. I'm not sure what it's going to be. Probably a gators gonna eight teacher but signed by stefania. Because like a t-shirt itself doesn't have a ton of value to find your puts her on it even better pretty legit wanted because i'm wearing. I'm wearing a draft shirt. That's you know. Gators gonna you can get a gator is gonna gate shirt at fantasy wiped calm. You can also get the draft shirt. I'm wearing a fantasy epic. I'm just saying like yeah. That's that's what that was an instinctual sort of calling attention to make sure i didn't realize tension to my dad belly and then you know. And what are you gonna. Let's keep moving here because we got a lot of things to try to rip through and we'll be quick on some of these with just about twenty minutes left in the show but the bengals hosted the Dolphins and the dolphins win this game. Twenty nine twenty six on a crazy end of the game. Play out of nowhere miracle but to find you to you. The big story again was a player. Who played just three snaps. But they were three importance snaps. They were but i was disappointed that he didn't play more to be honest. And i i'm guessing that he probably was too and that's of course jober we've been talking about He told me when i was a camp. He wanted to get out into a into a game playing against actual defenders because it is the ultimate test. He also wanted to take a hit. Obviously that didn't really happen. He had one pass play. There were two running plays and then that was it. That was the end of the series. It was planned that way. There are some things that he went through that. You might not think of that. Actually matter getting dressed for the game getting that first adrenalin of walking out onto the field. He got a standing ovation. It gets some of the butterflies out. And i appreciate that. That's an important step. But i don't think we've really seen him play much football with three snaps. And now you're gonna go to four quarters of competition joe. Borough is ready from a physical standpoint. I still think they're going to be some things that he's going to have to get through. That are gonna happen in the first week of the regular season. Happy for joe borough happy for bengals. Fans agree to them with a standing ovation. That was good to see. Don't have much to add on. Joe borough i kind of am where i am on him. My quarterback rankings closer to fifteen and he is to ten matthew not a guy. I feel comfortable with walking as my starter in a ten team league. I think volume might be a little bit down this year only because it was literally historic year. Defense will still be bad wide. Receiver should be good. But i want to add on the bengals is. I hope for bengals fans and for jim. Arteta's himself that the light switch flips and he finds his competence can't catch right now and i'm not saying he. He is never dealt with drops in the pass. This is not a trait of his game. That makes any sense to me. It strikes me as like a baseball pitcher with the hips. Can't catch right now. And i hope he does and i wanna say catch. I mean he's had four drops. This preseason like he's got like just get it out of your system next play mentality be a baseball bat. Or who goes over three strikeouts and it's a home run. He's lucky that he's in cincinnati and not like new york not like a crazy media because just imagine what it would be like if he was in a town like that makes no sense but But whatever we all know your marceca's very talented to your point. It's not in his son in his college profile. He's going to be fine. yeah he's just fine. And the bengals need him to work and joe borough. Obviously you know the former teammates at lsu boroughs going to continue to you know. Can you more. But i would say about the bengals in like i don't know if you guys can for those that can walk. That are watching our livestream. You don't doing banging the table table feeling. It cost interesting. Explain right there. Nice one. I like it. I like where we come back in. Just a second and we're going to finish up with a few more preseason games but i. Did you know that tony romo a motivational speaker right now. All this football season tony. Romo and corona are motivating football fans to live the game day. Good life let tony. Unlock your football fan. Potential at ra- motivation dot com there. You can launch an augmented reality experiences. We'll put tony in your living room or at the bar next to you while you watch the game. It's true you can be better watching football romo and corona show you how to live the game day. 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He's he's never had ten touchdowns in a season. But let's just say he gets fifteen hundred ten that leaves at least two thousand five hundred yards at least twenty five hundred if not three thousand yards plus twenty touchdowns on the table for one of these other buffalo pass catchers and we're not talking about any of them like there's something that we should be drafting in redraft leagues. Is this a situation where somebody who does have value and we're just sleeping on it or is it going to get spread around so much that they're just going to have equal value all getting six to eight hundred yards in four to five touchdowns we learn this last year. Didn't we are in buffalo season. John barnett nice. Moments davis had some moments here and they're also knocks at a couple of catches here. They're running backs but none of them were locking in stars team league other than stefan dix. I think there's a chance that emmanuel sanders is here. I think that's gonna be a super pass. happy offense. It would not surprise me if that team leads the nfl in pass attempts. I'm not saying it's likely but it would not surprise me. I think they'll be among the league leaders. In pass attempts go four wide a decent amount and i think sanders from all accounts like again such a professional wide receiver. I think underrated still. They didn't really use them he. He was okay in new orleans. I don't know i just. I think there's a chance to for him to have a bit of a one last raw in buffalo as the number two interesting stuff on digs not confident in any of these guys a guarantee at number two my big take away from the game and watching the drives in which josh allen was on the field is that maybe we just don't need to try to make either running back From not mistaken. I think the first seventeen plays. They threw it sixteen or like do brian. Cabell not here for your established the run and set up play. Action pass nonsense brian. Cabell here to chuck it yes and probably caused you to wave the white flag because he's got an outstanding quarterback integrate offensive minded our new podcast name as chuck it. Chuck chuck it. That's a Dogs loved chuck it useful all right. Let's keep things moving here. Jaguars cowboys the guy was. Basically played their backups. I'll just say this I want to igor fancy happiness. I want them to get some wins and they looked. They had some reasons to celebrate on saturday. I don't care of sunday. I don't care that the cowboys backups or playing like fantastic day. He looked very much the part that everything you wanted to him. Matthew is he the rookie quarterback that you actually want to be drafting this year because i still go back and forth on this. Well it depends on it. Depends on what you're trying to do and it depends on the size your league and whether that's a starter not like. Is that the rookie quarterback. You want to start if you're starting only one quarterback you've only if you're drafting only one quarterback and you need to start em week one. Then yes. because he's the only he's the quarterback he's the only rookie quarterback that we know is guaranteed to start week. One other than zach wilson right and you perverted lawrence wilson. So so to that extent. Yes but we've like. I think there is a chance. I've said destroy the preseason. There is a. I think a better than average chance that trae lance and justin fields are special when they become the starters by the way. I think there's a chance. Trevor lawrence especially from right at the gate like i mean you know so it sort of depends on what you want but i actually think because based on scheme fit and talent around him that lance and fields would finish higher fantasy points per game than lawrence at the end of the year. Oh i think there's no doubt which one is the highest ceiling right. It's trae lance. Yeah i mean 'cause fat offense or an offense line. Those skill players that coach. Oh yeah. I think it's clear. Who has the highest upside. He just he legitimately and i know for an understanding and hate this but like he might. It's possible he might not start this season like the rhetoric from the forty niners when they drafted him was that we believe we are a super bowl. Team and jimmy. Garoppolo can lead us there. I don't know if it's a five percent chance but there's a chance that jimmy garoppolo starting deep into the season but if it's got the keys by week three that i think it's clear. He has the highest upside trevor lawrence with the to your point the safest but I still want to see more from the white house. And i still want to see more from the injuries already. I don't marvin jones. Dj shark did not play in this game. I believe right. Only all ten yard touchdown. By the way i mean like he looked at he'd looked like a beast when he gets the ball in his hands he runs hard. It was good to see him. Get the ball down the field. Well that's breaking route left cyber school. I think it is too early to bail on the To bail on. Trevor lawrence based on some preseason again. They haven't had the full offense out there obvious travis. Cdn getting hurt I just wanna. I wanna just mentioned this real Real quickly as well Shadow to Our friend grand barfield just went back to this real quickly but our friend. Graham barfield had. What i thought was really fascinating. Tweet he writes. I'm quoting here. Jaguars first team running back. Snaps out of the sixty six plays with trevor lawrence on the field. This preseason which is basically a games worth of plays james robinson thirty three carlos high twenty eight and then he notes of course last year. Robinson played seventy percent of jacksonville snaps seventh most among running backs. Some we think james robinson a talented player but volume was a huge part of his fantasy success last year. Are we overestimating the amount of volume. That james robinson is gonna get because carlos hyde can still play and again. There's a connection there between hide. And karl urban meyer. Obviously from their anymore. An ohio state i. He's he is going to play more. He's gonna play annoying amount right. I just hope that they come to their senses early in that like it's two or three week arrangement and then they're like. Oh okay james robson is decidedly better and while you are often motivated to be smart about how you handle young players and their career running back is one of the few positions where it's like. All right never mind. Like we don't need to be worried about james robertson's work. They showed him they. She showed them that he showed the entire. Nfl that last year quickly fancy wise. Do you think people are too high on james robinson. I don't think so because they raised. Some very high obviously did don't after travis. I'm with cream. Rises cream rises. I agree. I'm a little nervous. I'm gonna i just. I thought it was a very interesting tweet. An observation from graham and so wanted to bring that up buccaneers go to the tech suicide worth worth run. Fire adam to that list. Sorry go ahead. i don't know we can talk about the buccaneers wide receivers. I'm not sure it's saturday. Taught me anything. My favorite part of this game is not even close. Was that texans safety. Justin reed were handled kickoff. Tweeting that yeah. It was amazing. So awesome. And i've heard nothing i mean i know i i've i as long as he's been there. I've heard nothing but good things about him. Save with this new regime like this guy could be a longtime piece in in houston. Maybe as a kicker on top of his safe that was cool crustal touchdown. You can assist on a tackle on the next one so good on you. Fehrenbach fairness still safe with his field goal job but that was pretty cool. The see justin reed make that or guess. Make those takeoffs wide receivers like. Do you have any different opinions from what we saw saturday. I don't but i think the buccaneers so the the question that's being asked can all three buccaneers wide receivers. We started fantasy. The answer's yes. Obviously but i think i feel similar to the buccaneers wide receiver situation as i do the bengals in a weird okay. Which is that. Do i think kamara taste. Higgins and tyler boyd can all be starting fantasy this year i do. Do i think. Mike evans chris godwin antonio brown starting fantasy this year. I do but i'm not sure. I want multiple wide receivers from the team. So if i'm looking at who am i taking from that team. I prefer antonio brown at cost. Because antonio brown's adp is much lower than anyone else's carnegie wide receiver forty-three whereas evans's wide receiver twelve godwin's wide receiver seventeen antonio brown going as wide receiver forty. Three's insane to me. I'm at wide receiver. Thirty four. Well ahead of consensus. He led the team and targets here with with with brady on the field right. He got five targets. Godwin three three targets for evans. As well god and got the touchdown and the nice play at cost tyler boy to me is by far the best value on the bengals at cost antonio brown by far the best value on the buccaneers. There's a chance truly truly and this is not like the sounds like a cold taken. It probably is a chance. He's the best value in fantasy football this year. Correct i mean that sincerely we're talking about literally the best wide receiver in football for a decade. Yep who's going as you mentioned wide receiver forty three right now. And i know that. Mike evans and chris goblin. This is tom. Brady's most trusted targets these ever played with and he's been playing for twenty years. The ceiling is significance with antonio brown lived together at tom. Brady is personally not that tom. Brady is invested in all the players. But tom brady has personally. Invested in antonio brown's success once he came back last year at target share over twenty percent no doubt about the chargers and the seahawks the seahawks win twenty seven zero charters might be right there with the rams no surprise they both are i guess. The chargers are now had coached by brains daily. Who was sean mcveigh's defensive coordinator last year. Basically no charters of note played this. Preseason matthew wanted to note though that we may have an idea of the insurance policy. Behind chris carson. Well you know. I'm chris carson believer right and so and look one of the knocks on chris. Carson is his health. I think it's overblown but the fact is that the guy has mistime a little bit and that whoever's the lead running back of the seahawks is certainly interesting rashad penny as somebody that's been noted you know like he's going to be the backup he's going to be the backup but a couple of different things first off our mutual friend. Greg rosenthal did an article Recently for nfl dot com where he noted that he thought rashad pending might be on the roster bubble. Hard to see this. We'll see i mean the seahawks use a first round pick. That would be a massive admission of failure there if he ends up. Getting waived but alex collins had ten carries for thirty seven yards scored a touchdown on saturday. He's actually he's gotten about the same amount of work as penny maybe slightly more. I think there's a counts as like somebody that they like in seattle bounced around the league a little bit but he's he's been there. He runs hard. It's been a tough. It's it's been a rocky road for rashad penny in seattle to say. The least. And so i just i thought interesting because i do think chris carson is one of those running backs who gets his his backup drafted more often than other running backs because seattle tends to go with sort of one guy. It'd be quite a story for alex. Collins who has bounced around the league had quite an adventure in the nfl with some promising moments earlier in his career One more piece of news. I'm going to save a minute or two to say Some closing remarks but tara williams was a barrel is perhaps being overlooked this your matthew especially on the heels of a tweet this morning from adam. Schefter the Perriman has been cut by the lions their top four wide receivers. Quite thin matthew. That could be really busy guy this year. I think he potentially could be that offense. I think is going to go through. Tj hopkinson as. We've talked about many many times. They're going to be bad team. Like daniel seen a lot of teams danielson a lot of bad lions teams in his life. This one may might be the worst. Like it's a full on rebuild in detroit. I don't know. I sat through owen. Sixteen matthew this. I don't think in the preseason so yes fair certainly one of the worst of the worst can be a rough one. It's going to be. It's going to be a rough one and so my expectation here. Is that paramount. With somebody. That i sort of liked way back when he signed. I'm just like you know. I've always liked paramedic. For whatever reason it didn't seem to work out for him and detroit tyrone williams has gotten gotten has looked good in the preseason unlimited. Looks you know to for thirty. On four targets. For jared goff jared goff hasn't played very much the preseason but it is worth noting that his career when tyrone williams gets looks. You know when he's in his career when he's gotten at least targets ever since fourteen point three fantasy points per game which last year would have been wide receiver twenty-five like he's a big play guy waiting to happen struggled with injuries throughout his career. But i think this is an offense going to be throwing more than people think and tyrone williams again is being undrafted in seventy five percent of the leagues like. He's the number one wide receiver on a team. That's going to be throwing i. I think he's that number. Should go down. Seventy five percent of levi's being undrafted. I mean it's just a matter of how much you trust the fact that he'll actually see seven targets in a game or be available to see seven targets in his game because seven plus targets sixteen time in his career. He's been elite for what six years. Yeah but i mean like you stuck stuck on the bench for the chargers for a while. He was injured with the raiders. Significant injury with the raiders. Like i said injuries has been a part of his his his career makeup. But i mean like all do respect to like quintas safest and cliff raymond like it's a thin wide receiver room there in detroit. Ross saint brown like the rookie. Like like that's it right. I mean. I think that's those the four guys they have on the roster at the moment this one you. You're right i. I'm not totally discounting what's happening. I just don't think he I don't know that number will actually go down that much over the next ten days or so. We've got about a minute or so left in the show. Probably not enough time to dive into the topic. So we'll just show. I think but thinking of our friends in louisiana and anywhere else that is being impacted by hurricane ida right now. We know that this is sadly a too familiar situation. We've been following the coverage. We're praying for y'all including friday of the program. Roddy rogers who i hope is watching the livestream right now as he does every day. My brother i appreciate you and everybody out there. Stay safe as best you can. And we hope that somehow someway many people can get back to their normal lives and at some point in duda. I and i hope that everyone that was in louisiana was able to get somewhere safe. You know my son goes to two lane. Son is a senior at tulane there and so him and his friends like drove and he said the traffic he. They drove on saturday morning. They left saturday morning at eight. Am and they said the traffic. Just to get out of new orleans and get i mean They were gonna they were going to Stay with some friends in texas took them. They didn't get there until twelve thirty. What should have been eight hour. Trip took them significantly longer. Just because like the was like which which once hand you feel bad. Then you're okay good. A lot of people are trying to get out of town. Try to stay safe so Echo the thoughts of field. And i know fuelled daniel's defined you feel the same way and all of us here at the six. Oh no do that. Were thinking of everyone in louisiana and thoughts and praying sending prayers your way we appreciate all you other in that region otherwise that hang out with us every single day and watch the live stream. We are back tomorrow to continue with double trouble. We'll talk about the green bay packers and the chicago bears in the meantime to close up. Here that's going to do it for today. Thank you for watching the fantasy focus. Football podcast for field daniels to finding kyle. I'm matthew peace out a if you need a stick of tired field is your guy. If you're in bristol and farmington should find another ride candidly. Aides say that is owning. She's on a spicy loose can spend tweets that make you. He's our favorite home. Everybody knows his name. He's a millions of football fans are becoming their best football selves. All thanks to one remarkable man and one remarkable beer tony. Romo in corona are role motivating america to live their game day. Good life visit row motivation dot com and watch an augmented reality experienced. That puts romo in your living room or at the bar with you while you watch the game. We all have the power within us to live the game day. Good life let tony help you unlock that power. Visit row. motivation dot com opened corona and. Get real motivated today. Please drink responsibly. 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Week 12 Start or Sit (11/29 Fantasy Football Podcast)

Fantasy Football Today Podcast

07:17 min | 11 months ago

Week 12 Start or Sit (11/29 Fantasy Football Podcast)

"We've got a lot to get to so let's get to it right now on fantasy football today and five good morning it has been a while few days fantasy football world. We're here to help you set your lineups. This is fantasy football today and five. Podcast that get you caught up fast on the fantasy news in advice you need to know. Follow us extremists on spotify. Tell your friends help us grow. We really appreciate it. I'm as driven by heath. cummings. He made a lot of projections. Updates it has been wild the first of all how are you. How are you dealing with your steelers and ravens. Are you putting them in your lineups and expecting them to get the game in. I am hopeful that i don't have to like right now. I think that there's a better chance they play on tuesday then. Don't play on tuesday. So i'm not saying that you definitely shouldn't use them. But it's a matchup between two very good Defensive clubs now. They may not have all their good defensive players. Both teams have been impacted offensively By the covid list in one way or another I i really don't want to the hardest place. Obviously with the tight ends mark andrews and eric ebron. And i'm probably just starting them although what i might do is roster one of jacob hollister or will disley or richard rodgers. And if you get to monday. And they're still any uncertainty at all and you only need a couple of points to win. Just plug those guys in. That's a great idea. You know kyle. Rudolph is only rostered and thirteen percent of leagues. But irv smith is out. Adam feeling is out and i i'm honestly i picked him up in a couple of leagues this morning where i have mark andrews and i might just prefer him to mark andrews. I'm not sure how. I feel about that yet. Heath because rg three is a quarterback. So i i. I'm just less obviously less excited about interest to begin with. But i want to throw that name out there. If you need a tight end kyle. Rudolph has a nice opportunity against carolina. This week right. Kendall hinton could play. Some quarterback will apparently place him quarterback. Broncos are hinting that he will be starring ago. He's wide receiver eligible whereas in your wide receiver rankings. He is projected for nine fantasy points. He has not worked his way into my wide receiver. Rankings as you can tell this morning. He's going to be in the forties. Still this is this. Broncos team has an implied total of ten point five. I have never seen like through all the the things the jets have pull off over the years. I i don't recall an over under being that low. He didn't get any practices really with the team as the number. One quarterback and royce freeman is expected to play some plays at quarterback as well so i would like to not use any broncos. Yeah and he's not going to catch any passes most likely to so a pr league. It's kind of weird. it's like. He's almost worse. Because you don't expect a ton of pants definitely worse than pr than i mean. He's he's just worse than you might think. Oh i got a skit. This wide receiver. Miami's playing quarterback he's not going to in all likelihood he's not going to catch passes all right so we've got benny snell. Anthony mcfarland filling in for connor. We've got gus edwards injustice hill. We've got nyheim hines in jordan wilkins. We've got brian hill and ito smith. We've got nat brita. I don't know what they're gonna do it running back for the dolphins. We got royce freeman and kendall. Hinton is not running back but he's wide receiver. He's a flex option here. Who are you excited about among these replacement running backs this week. I'm pretty excited brian hill. He's shown a little bit more juice than todd. Gurley running between the twenty s. He's pretty good as a pass catcher. It's a good match up against the raiders. Both teams have Think that game has an over under a fifty four one of the highest on the slate. And so i'm i'm relic the most excited of all those guys about brian hill. And i'm i'm starting him as a number two running back snell edwards again. It's that it's that monday night game. They play where. Where would you be on Gus edwards would be a number two running back in non p p are a good number two running back and non pr and a high end flex in full pr. Benny snell is a mid range. High end flex in non and amid rain inflicts in full. I thought you'd be higher on him. I mean you just not sure if it's gonna get all all the work that connor gets. I don't necessarily expect i mean what's all the work that connors got over the past month all right so you think he's gonna split with mcfarland. I guess be better. I do think they want to get mcfarland more involved. I think mcfarland has he has better pedigree as a running back. He is someone that i think has a better chance of developing into a full term starter in the future. Take a colts running back. I'm gonna go nyheim hines. He has at least shown the ability when he's received double digit touches to be good for fantasy purposes. We know he's going to be the primary pass catching running back. He was good against the titans As recently two weeks ago. He's not far behind brian. Hill for me at least npr as a number two running back. That i feel okay about starting. We're going to fire through the rest of these. Now we're already passed are five minute go. I knew we would be today. Julio jones not expected to play according to one report game time decision according to another your reaction. I really don't wanna start matt ryan. He's a number a high number to finish quarterback austin ekeler could play. Today won't get the full workload. Kaylynn balaj likely out ekeler is a low end to running back better and p p r but i do have him behind brian hill. And nyheim hines. San francisco has activated most and jeff. Wilson don't know what the situation is going to be. Though most is a low in number two running back. i prefer him to prefer equa and full. Ppo ryan fitzpatrick. starting. Yeah i am. I've had devante. Parker is a number two wide receiver for most of the week. I feel better about that. Call and fitzpatrick is a borderline number. One quarterback i would start him over matt ryan. Would you start them. Overtake them hill. I would start him. Overtaking hill jalen hurts will apparently play more getting first team reps at quarterback for the eagles. This week i really don't want to start any eagles besides miles sanders. Dallas carter and this is an apple. Podcast question from jt. Gimme one in tyler boyd. Damian harris or kaylynn balaj campbell is not expected to play so or damian harris pr. I'm going to go with damian harris. I don't feel that much differently. But the bengals receivers broncos receivers even pr. I don't know of brandon allen is. They're starting quarterback and do that. Yeah that's true tyler boyd. Okay thank you very much heath. Cummings thanks everybody for listening to this extended version of fantasy football today and five hope. It was helpful. Good luck in week twelve. We'll talk to you. Sunday night on the fantasy football today feed. Make sure you follow. That one is feed on spotify. And we'll talk to you tomorrow morning here on physical bubbly.

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Episode 199: Silva and Levitan Favorite Stacks

Establish The Run

26:33 min | 4 months ago

Episode 199: Silva and Levitan Favorite Stacks

"Has no welcome to episode one hundred ninety nine of the official established. The dot com podcast. My name is adam. Levitin aka adam. Agassi aka. novak levinson as always. I'm joined by your favourite longhair provider. The lord of your top one fifty seven silva. Evan has gone to that yeah. She's i haven't even congratulate you on your big victory So captain human. That's awesome. Do you make some money or what. Yeah we made some money and and yeah we embarrassed. Some of the solar spreadsheet virgins think was good so yeah no it was a good match and it was fun for sure on today's show. We're going to talk stacking. Not from a macro big picture perspective we've done before with dink and leonian hers egg across various episodes and articles. Today we're gonna talk about stacking from micro perspective in other words which sacks are easiest and best to get which are undervalued. Which do we like early which we like late etc against stacking. I think is an obvious strategy for these extreme top-heavy best ball tournaments but as shown with the data stack is also plus strategy for just regular season. Long league competitively. And you wanna finish i at twelve. They're still married to stacking even just regular season long lead today than finally most importantly for me. You guys know me. I find the best to be the best the greatest form of fantasy football and obviously is huge part of that so i think this is a good way to start thinking about that before we get into today. One remind everyone. This podcast is indeed brought to you by our friends. At underdog fantasy best way to get ready for the season to be in the real money best ball streets can upload our rankings for this format get really good feel for our you in the market views players all. Etr drafted or bundle subs get ten dollars. Us underdog new players on underdog. Get thirty five dollars on top with the draft. Kit also wanted to know quickly special price on our bundle. Package isn't gonna be around too much longer. Get the draft in the season package for just twenty nine heads of subscribe page to check it out. Let's get into your evans. sneaky stacks. Article will be up in the draft kit later on this summer. I wanna start with so maybe not so sneaky ones. Though that i think are still undervalued. I'm going to talk about seattle here to start. This is one that we were on last year and we were counting our money early perhaps prematurely we our load too early on our seattle stacks because through the first six or seven weeks in looked like that was going to be the stack that she needed to win. I think there's merit to that this year. Seattle is going to play in a way like they did the first part of your for the whole year. A lot to do with shane wallet. And there's been so much chatter around seattle not as bad them playing faster playing quicker. Getting the ball out faster twenty-second neutral situation pays last year. Twenty third and offensive player game. Those numbers have to go up. Also i mean god. They were so vertical last year. And i think keep defenses realized that and now she watches come. We're gonna get bogged quicker. We're going to run more. Slants more out to get the ball in our playmakers hands quicker from an adp perspective you can get them all because they all kinda fit nicely. Tk metcalf around the tooth return. Tyler lockett round four or five as wilson round six or seven s is basically free. His carson is is around their journal desert. You can get relate gerald every you can get real late and so yeah i. What do you think about seattle this year. What do you think generally about this idea of them playing faster. Because i don't want to be stuck with the seattle stack. If it's gonna look like the last. I don't know eight games of last year. Yeah i mean the nice thing about the seahawks. I think this year and it was similar last year going into the year. Is we know where the ball's gonna go became metcalf lockett. They have really big secure target shares. I don't think we see dwayne average. Come out of western michigan and make a big rookie impact on offense. Maybe later in the season he will We did see. Chris carson in house competition lesson when reshad penny needed another knee surgery and carson again is an affordable part of this team. Stock is going in the rb twenty range. I think we have them right around. Rb fifteen so we are above. Adp on chris carson and again you can get drought everett late you remember. He's following shane. Waldron from the rams to seattle so those guys know each other shane. Waldron is gonna know the strengths and weaknesses of gerald averitt I love the addition. You know not not pertaining to the stock itself but how it impacts team of gabe jackson at guard because he's always been an excellent pass protecting guard And i absolutely am willing to buy into this notion that the seahawks are gonna play faster and a little bit more in the rams likeness reside. Just finished the rams team fantasy team preview and over the last four years with shane. Waldron on staff under sean mcvay. This team has finished top twelve in the nfl in offensive. A place per game in three of the last four years so they've ripping off plays at a pretty lofty clip and i really think that playing up tempo shoots russell wilson's playing style. I mean. I think that you know if you were to name the quarterbacks in the league that perform their bashful and they're playing with urgency in their plan there and they can play. Fast dude was a baseball player. Shortstop he's he. He absolutely is in in his comfort zone playing with urgency and playing fast. I think you think of russell wilson Top three among quarterbacks in that in that area yet when it gets close to the season we'll have pat thornton. Come on talk more about what he expects out of pace for the seahawks this here but again i'm optimistic and onenote from ot as a throwaway. 'cause pete carroll's excited about everybody he was asked to name one guy he thinks could break out this year on his team. He did say gerald everett. So i think it's something to watch. Joel denver is very athletic player for sure other early round one that i like is dallas and i don't think you know it's not complicated here on dallas. They finished twenty second in yards per play last year but went dak went down. They were third in yards per play. And i think they've tried to address the defense. It's still really bad in from a talent perspective. But my god. I mean cooper lamb prescott gallup. It's hard to get both cooper and lamb because they go so close to each other. Adp's there are thirty three and thirty four so it can be hard to get both of them. But i think doc. With one of cooper in lamb and then michael gallup who. I know we're gonna talk about in the next episode some moved him up in your rankings. A bunch i think that would make sense so i just say here on dallas expecting them to play like they did when was healthy. Last year's no-brainer for them to be stacked up. Yeah in the offensive line coming. Back and the depth that they gained with the backups culminating playing last year i mean they are absolutely loaded on often inside and as you mentioned him i think if the component of this stock that really sticks out as michael gallup because he's a guy who had a lot of hype entering last year and for good reason you crushed in the playoffs the year before at a bunch of big games during the nineteen regular season but then with ceedee lamb and a slot amari cooper running the alpha routes michael got kinda got lost especially after deck prescott. Got hurt got hurt because he became the low percentage vertical guy and just never came together with eighty dollars. So michael gallup profiles is basically the ideal post hype bilo type of. I'm gonna make sure to keep him. Keep our rankings in our tears. Head of his. adp have him way way above his high stakes. Adp right now. We'll talk about that a little bit in the next show. Okay last nonstop. He i wanna mention is the raymond and the reason. I do want to mention this. Because evan as we talked about has lamar jackson ahead patrick mahomes or at least even with patrick mahomes this year patrick mahomes. Adp's thirty five point six. One mars adp on underdog is fifty four point nine. So right there you're gaining hun by starting a stack with lamar now morrison still not going to throw it a time. So i like skinnier stacks your i. Don't like having lamar with three or four. I think one or two is fine. Mark andrews sixty one point one is adp. In markey's brown were way ahead of adp markey's brands we've talked about before his adp's around ninety three we have him eighty four th underdog rankings. I believe evan maxi might have him higher in his personal top one fifty. And so i think baltimore if you expect lamar jackson bounce back. I know rhyme rounds has talked about. Mvp tickets on lamar talking about lamar. Outscoring patrick mahomes. I totally agree. If any so i think that's one at least worth mentioning for another non skinny one. Evan i think either andrews or marquees brown would be the ones for me to pair them with. I know you can make a case for bateman. But who would you. If you could only pear lamar with one who would be it would probably be mark andrews again from the standpoint that i think he is a guy that a lot of smart analysts leoni For instance are sick. I th i think what was it was on this thinking. That crane talked about it. Thinking mark andrews can maybe be the number one overall fantasy tight end. last year. he was considered a disappointment. Still finished fourth among tight ends and he had like a really bad year. He just really didn't play well but we saw the the two years previous to that that he is a mega talent and even last year he was still sixth. Among forty eight qualified ends in yards per route run. I mean the the dude is a baller. He just left a lot of players on the field. Last year. a specially in that first half of the season if he was banged up in the second half of the year. So i think that you're getting him at a little bit of a discount this season and so i'd probably go with mark andrews but i do i do i'm also had. Adp on marquees brown. Yes but i really like about stacking the ravens this year and i. I'm cool with the narrow stacks on them. Because ultimately we expect their pass attempts to be limited. I mean they finished number one in the nfl and russia thompson back to back seasons. But you have a lot of continuity with the stock. The offense coordinator. You've got the quarterback the number one receiver the number one tight end. The stud left tackle all returning and then they made a bunch of like role player. I think savvy role player additions with started with Kensey taylor at right guard. Where marshall yonder retired following the two thousand and nineteen season and. They really didn't have a replacement for him last year. reshad bateman who i think is the perfect stylistic compliment to markey's brown more of a more of a possession receiver than markey's brown but a dynamic of potentially dynamic possession receiver who can play the slot and play outside your ronnie stanley. The best passed protecting left tackle in the league and again getting discount on mark andrews. We're getting a little bit of discount on the mark too. Yep for sure the Beating adp on all these guys in the top tier people are really aggressively attacking the top tier tight end. I e kittle. Kelsey and darren waller. There's a big gap in. Adp down to the lesser tears. Okay people know about those people here about sneakier ones in wyoming alternate here. Because i have some sneaky ones. That i like. I really have two. Maybe three that. I wanna talk about. You have a few the about one you start with a sneaky stack wanted identified it will. We have talked about the dolphins being a sneaky stack. And you know. And it's based on the fact that i think that people have just overcorrected on to And what his future is. Because i mean at this time you know a couple of years ago like we were talking about. This guy might be the number one over picky. Doesn't have going in the top five even after having a catastrophic hip injury he comes in he doesn't play well. It really wasn't supposed to play last year for miami. The playbook was not designed for him. It was designed by chain daily ryan. Fitzpatrick's boy four ryan fitzpatrick and i think that played a big role. In why in some of those games late in the season you saw to coming out of the game. Because he couldn't run the offense like ryan fitzpatrick because the offense was designed for him. And so now. I think that we've just you know we just kinda jumped the shark in being too low onto now. He's fully healthy. Now he's got a playbook that chain galea's gone. He's got a playbook that is designed for him and they put a ton of talent around him and all of that talent easy affordable in-draughts will fuller is right around wide receiver forty Volative oscar devante. Parker adp is one fourteen on underdog we have eighty fifth. So i mean massive. I mean massive on divine even lower in in football guys championship. Adp so yeah massive gap there. I think just sticky is very very affordable. I think he could have a big season. I think it's can be a three receiver offense just like they ran at alabama with all those stud receivers and in a you know an eleven personnel offense. Were mike just sick. He rarely comes off the field. I liked their you know their offense reminder bringing back four stars and they traded up for leeann ikin berg so to play right. Tackle a young improving offensive line. I don't know i just i. I think that we we've gone way too far Negative onto a and. I think that all the work of the dolphins did around things are really gonna come together. We're gonna see this offense leap yet and for sure it. You're planning some three quarterback builds on underdog. You can set up this to a stack really easily later around. Don't spend a lot of capital and quarterback set it up because to is basically free seven set a lot of people given up onto a completely one that i want to mention the minnesota stack. I mean dalvin is the top to pick. I think we all agree with that. Justin jefferson is a good pig into tooth return. I still think feeling is of the four or five turn. I still like irv smith. And we'll talk more about the earth smith for his constantly in the next episode but man. This is a concentrated offense with explosive talent. It's exactly what. I'm looking for and the quarterback kirk cousins. Adp one forty four point nine. It is not hard to get a viking stack. If you think about it early on they include to these guys dominant phelan dalvin jeff j.j. fm feeling j. jeff. In smith maybe three of them but man it's concentrated and again. I think that the minnesota vikings are going to surprise people this year defensive side of the ball and continue to put up good numbers on offense. Just be a very solid team all around and basically cousins. Adp makes this one really for you. Don't have to use any. Adp at all any draft capital on kirk cousins at the quarterback position. So i liked that one for sure. Any thoughts on that one. Yeah another factor that. I like about stock in the vikings. This this when you're doing this what you're trying to do is you're trying to get like the entire team to beat their eighty. You know all the dolphins do they're so cheap and drafts like they could all smash their adp's if they just take a a a a forward into like finishing twelfth in the nfl on offense. And i think that the vikings justin jefferson and dalvin cook. I mean there are so high that they're going to be tough to to be but they're sort of like the anchor round pick and they kind of set up stack and then you come in with phelan who i mean. It seems like he's undervalued every year. Kirk cousins is undervalued. To some extent doesn't have that mobility that plus rushing edge you the but he absolutely can finished like top twelve among quarterbacks and then irv smith there's been some negative rhetoric around him from mike zimmer like i. I'm behind that i think that. That's mike zimmer. Just being you know an old crank and i think we're gonna see irv smith absolutely play a much bigger role this year and i. I really liked the way that the vikings offense i think if i can offensive line it has a chance to be actually good. This year. hasn't been good in a long time. They stole christian air assaults. A play left tackle. Got him in the first round number twenty three overall they like were sending. We're trying to trade up for him. He wound up just falling into their laps. They've got garrett bradberry He was a first round. Pick a couple years ago at center brian. O'neill has been great. One of the best young right tackles in the league as were cleveland who they drafted in the second round last year. He's gonna step in and and left guard. And i mean these are all guys that drafted within the top two rounds in the last four seasons so young town on this offensive line. I think that they could take out for sure. I was actually talking to brand in a little bit. He's working on his top offensive. Line rings gonna. Rank ever goths line from one to thirty two in the draft. That'll be up soon. I'm curious to see where the vikings end up landing are. What are you hit the people with one more. Or maybe one or two more your sneaky stacks and i've got one more i want to talk about. Go with the jets. Actually and again you know thinking about teams that when you offense. Is that when you start them like just everybody could beat their adp's and i think that that is a possibility with the jets because no one's drafting the jets high right mike. Let me say this before you do this. No one on the jets has an adp higher than eighty eight and that's michael cardinal carlo. Yeah no wide. Receiver has an adp higher than one. Oh seven and that's corey davis. I don't know if i've ever seen a team literally have no one in the top eight of adp. It's insane but anyways go ahead. Yeah and so. This is sort of a team that you maybe stock. Like three guys from after you've already stocked another team as your your your anchor stack and then you come back and you know. Start taking these guys in the middle. And late rounds. No one's gonna be draft zach. Wilson's early of course zack. Wilson has a really fantasy. Friendly skill set Elijah doug again reminds me so much. Doug baldwin and i think is going to be an instant impact player chris herndon in the george kittle role. Kinda it's that's that's a tongue in cheek thing. But i'm sure that'll be a joke that we use and then i do like michael carter as a middle round. Pass catching rb in. These guys are really cheap. They're playing under mike leflore. This often should be so much better coached and again this another team that is poured resources into the offensive line. Mci beckton was a huge hit for them last year at left. Tackle they trade up for elisheva rod tucker this year. They said they had a top ten grade whether or not they did. It doesn't matter like he's gonna plug and play left guard. They went out. They signed conor mcdermott. Last off season ought to play center to a three year. Twenty seven million dollar deal and then now. They're about to sign morgan moses. All of a sudden you got four. Good offensive lineman The jets you got a fantasy. Friendly skill set on their rookie quarterback and people are not going to be using any draft capital on him. I think the jamison crowder also. I think he's gonna end up. Starting i think denzel moms at first. I thought it was like a motivational tactic. But i'm not sure that denzel mims actually fits the kind of kyle shanahan hannifin. Mike leflore offense. Because he's like he's a jump ball receiver yano. We're gonna talk about that situation more than next. I have a bunch to say about the jets. Wide receiver thing is really interesting for sure. And the michael. Floor kyle shanahan. Ian offense is built on run after catch and they've got some good run after catch all of a sudden more and Jamison crowder are very good after the catch So i think that these guy in corey davis also is is very good after the catch and i think those guys are gonna end up being the starting three receivers for the jets this year. Yep and one thing. I would say about this. Obviously this isn't going to be your primary stack. Nobody would ever say the stream your primary especially in draftkings best ball words so deep and you have so many rounds you can set up three stacks in the jets has your third stack is so cheap and it does have serious upside to beat. I think that's interesting. When they got to pay a little bit more. I think actually can be a primary stag. If you're in a pinch is the bengals. Joe burrow played ten games last year. He was averaging forty point. Four attempts per game in those ten aka. He was on pace for six hundred. Forty six pass attempts which would have led the entire. Nfl they've added chase right like total free kids adp's around ninety five I'm sorry joe burs. Adp around ninety. Five t higgins. I think is actually underrated at like fifty seven. Eighty and tyler boyd underrated at seventy eight point. Four eight pm. Joe mixon when he goes in the middle of the second round. I think he's underrated too. So man you know i irrationally. Maybe high on the bengals this team. That is going to be aggressive. Play fast play with a lot of lost city. I mean they took jomar chase when theory. They didn't even really need him. You know what they're going to try to do on joe burrow's hands and make big plays a ton so i could see. Joe burrow being among the league leaders in pass attempts and i could see him being among the league leaders in aggression in terms of at-at. So yeah i. I think that bengals have a ton upside here and all the guys reasonably priced as like amid round stack. I know people want to throw up when hear bengals though anybody think yeah i just i just wish had done more to address their offensive line especially with the quarterback coming off a multiple knee ligament tear. But i get it you know. I absolutely got the volume. Should be there anyone. Moore you wanna talk. You wanna talk about jacksonville. Have some thoughts on jacksonville. You wanna talk about that one or or any others. Wendy jacksonville jacksonville. Because it's another offense that i think could set up to take a big leap. I really liked. Gerald devil darrow. Bevill has done a really good job if you look at all the stops. He's been at seattle detroit. He's been a very. He's done a very good job identifying the in house talent and then building offense to support the in house talent and so i think that in that way he can be a talent maximize earlier in the trevor. Lawrence can be talent elevator Especially as compared to. What the the quarterback the quarterbacks that the jaguars have been trotting alex jake luton gardiner. Minzhu and nick foles over the past few years so i just think that everybody is all of a sudden going to look like better players especially the offensive either. Returning five offensive line starters. I think we could see elite from. Dj shark marvin jones. I think was just a a rock solid ad for them. And then channel. I mean the his talent is off the charts during their post draft. Press conference The jaguars coaches were kind of asked about laviska shenault or they didn't really express very much like enthusiasm about him. You know he's in an inherited player. Everything is new in jacksonville but then gets ot as and minicamp and like. Dude is unstoppable and. That really should not be surprised if anyone that really took the time to watch him last year because he is a of vicious violent a post catch playmaker and again re reminds me of a young brainer marshall. And they're not going to be like They're they're tight. End position is not going to be sucking targets. Away from the receivers travis. Espn might. but i mean we. We know who their their top three receivers are going to be. And i think the target distribution could be fairly narrow their and everybody's just gonna look a lot better with trevor lawrence under center. Yeah i agree that they're going to look a lot better. My concern with the jacksonville stack is. I think we could get it wrong like i think. Dj chart is going to be the guy that breaks biggest but it could be marvin jones in could be Chanel could be travers. At t and i think that urban kind of adult. He's gonna pound the ball some with carlo tied and james robinson in so we could be right. That jackson was obviously leap forward. And be on the wrong guys and that would make me kind of sick. But i agree with you that from an individual player perspective. All these guys have good good chances and you know on the chenault at thing like i'm a little worried they think it is like there there. i dunno playing overlapping with chenault. Too much you know what i mean like. They could take from each other if they think. The james robinson in carlos hyde are actual. They're pure running back. So i don't if you have a read on that situation all based role standpoint it's just a it's all guesswork absolutely guesswork ryan thankfully. Nobody's adp's are so high that also although utn's adp's pretty high and really shark isn't free either and she all starting to come up so i don't know yeah maybe i'll Maybe at the reassess whether or not to put him in a sneaky stacks article. You're absolutely right that the roles are. We don't know exactly what's going to happen. It makes me sick that we're sitting here talking about carla side. Urban meyer might be just as stone dolt. Man he really might be. I mean it's definitely possible. Okay more sneaky. Stacks will be in evans article coming in the draft kit soon. He's also working on a team. Previews the top fifty just got a fresh update on the next episode. We'll be talking about rankings. Changes that. Evan has made a couple of big ones and then also some news alluded to the jets. Thing and a couple of other news items. I think we need to touch on in the next episode can do it for this micro look at some stacks. We like four producer. Luke four evan. I am adam. Good luck everybody.

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TE Reflections - Lessons Learned, 2021 Breakouts (01/26 Fantasy Football Podcast)

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TE Reflections - Lessons Learned, 2021 Breakouts (01/26 Fantasy Football Podcast)

"This is fantasy football today from cbs. Sports play it's time to dominate your fantasy league. Now here's some combination of adam. Dave jamie benn. The tight end position really wasn't so great last year was that we're talking about the highest scoring season in nfl history and you only had two standout tight end so that's pretty disappointing. Welcome to the show. This is fantasy football today on tuesday. January twenty sixth adam mazer jamie is burg. And who cares he this year. He's back. welcome back sir you. It's really good to talk to you. I missed you greatly the entire time that i was in. Text me once. No i did. I miss jamie to mr anymore. I did takes jamie. But that's okay. Whatever i accept that. I said i have to do more to get on jamie's level. Also you should know that. Dave and jamie did not greet me with the same enthusiasm that i am greeting you with today. Are he knows your time off. Adam what did you do. I don't know i mean. I just babysat basically A ninety two vacation from that didn't do much. You know what i started doing. I started working on the st started. Fantasy points project. That i've been talking about since august that whatever are now before that It's terrible it's gonna take me forever. I don't want to do it. But i think i kind of have to do it. So I've done one week of quarterback so far. So that's where we're at with that project week of quarterback yeah star percentages for every relevant quarterback for every week and then multiply that by the fantasy points. They scored. And then i do that. I only can do that. Thirteen thirteen times up to the playoffs. Not weeks fourteen. Th and it's going to be bad for quarterback it's going to be horrible for wide receiver. Oh my gosh. It's going to be quite a project. Anyway hey if you're at the super bowl heath it's gonna be exciting. I am i. I don't i don't know what to make of the chiefs offensive line against that tampa bay front. That's a little bit scary but other than that. It should be very exciting game. Yeah my original thought. Jamie was chiefs. We're gonna win kind of easily. But i gotta we gotta give the buck some credit here. They might be able to get after mahomes and might be difficult to cover all those wide. Receivers heck of a heck of a wide receiver unit for the buccaneers. But what do you think now. I think that it's probably going to play out very similar to how last year super bowl played out where the chiefs were. We'll probably struggle a little bit until they figure out how to block tampa front and mahomes gets hot for quarter. But i don't think it's going to get away from them. So i think it's gonna be exciting game come down to Come down to the fourth quarter. Andy reid will make some adjustments. And i think the chiefs the win but i as i said on monday show. I'm i'm still not sold on kansas city as my pick. Okay i well the best super bowl coverage both from a fantasy standpoint and not will be on. Cbs sports hq. We'll tell you more about that later this week and into next week so today's topic is tight end. We're gonna talk about twenty twenty and of course two thousand twenty one sleep breakouts bus saw that but basically our overall thoughts on tight end and summing it up from two thousand twenty i want to start with one stat to sum up tight end in two thousand twenty heath. You're gonna come through and give us that stat. Yes there were ten tight ends. Who averaged at least ten p p. or fantasy points last season randall. Cobb was the number fifty eight wide receiver in fantasy last year. And he averaged ten point zero one fantasy points per game. Okay so there were ten tight ends better than randall cobb. And how am i supposed to interpret that the halas that tired and is still awful. Okay as all year. We're gonna do this thing and we're going to talk about several young exciting tight ends that show just enough to peak our interest heading into twenty twenty one and we're gonna get to june and july and we're going to talk about. Yeah there's there's only four or five good tight ends but we've got like a dozen of these young tight ends and have half of them hit tied in could be really good this year and then tight ends gonna suck again. I think this is the year fast forwarding to our position preview in. I'm pretty sure this year. We're we're just gonna be like tight end. I feel like people are convinced. Now this was the year we need a twenty twenty year we needed for everyone to lose faith in tight end so good job twenty twenty. You crushed our hopes in the tight end. Position was kind of weird like there. Were a lot of touchdowns at tight end. You had Let me tell you how many tight ends of had six or more touchdown catches in the last five seasons nine six six six and then twelve last year. She had a ton of touchdowns he thought that'd be great fantasy production. Well how about eight hundred or more yards the last five years for a tight end six four four five and two so that was kind of a strange thing. You had a bunch of of tight end scoring you know enough touchdowns to feel relevant but really not doing anything in the department. So that was kind of weird. Don't really know what to make of that. Probably just fluky. But that's kind of what you were experiencing just just searching for that touchdown on the waiver wire or maybe with one of the two tight ends you rostered or something throughout the year. Okay so that's a there's a some stats talk about twenty twenty. I want to remind you that you can listen to our show fantasy football today on your smart speakers simply say alexa. Play the latest episode fantasy football today. Podcast or hey google. Play the latest episode of the fantasy football today. Podcast actually say the same thing to either alexa google. I think i read that wrong. Play the latest episode of the fantasy football today. I guess that will work for you. So jamie what were your overall thoughts on tight end last year. It was disappointing. You know an related. You know clearly. George kittle and the frustration that you had there Zach ertz and what may have been for him you know. We just don't know dow scattered same thing under henry. His injury also There was some things that happened. I think that we expected Off hooper taken a step back for the most part and get a good closing to the season. But we kind of expected going into. Cleveland wouldn't be as good for him But i i do think that there is. You know i get your pessimistic view of it and i understand it and i'm sure a lot of people feel the same way but there are some guys we can look at and say okay. I i like the situation. I like this potential. This guy you know and It was nice to see. Tj hawkins and take step forward for a part of the season. I think noah fant going to have a better twenty twenty one than than twenty twenty season that he had. I think dot daughter getting the opportunity is going to be exciting for him. I'm curious one hundred hundred kurds. Go you know. So irv smith somebody that i'm gonna take a have a lot of stock in you know. He's he's drinking the kool aid. But i think the thing is that you know when you draft these guys. Yeah right. I know looking at adp the last couple years you get to the like round like six through eight lot of busts lot of us two years ago. You had that round five. You had that oj howard. Evan ingram hunter. Henry group and then eric ebron ended up being good. Jared cook david. Jokue vance mcdonald the lot of bus there. Then this past year. Two thousand twenty zach ertz was around for derek wall around five one of the best picks and fantasy. Hunter henry tyler. Higby evan ingram jared cook rob gronkowski austin hooper. That was through around eight. So if if you see. Jamie noah fant going and round. I don't know where do you think he's gonna go six seven seven. He went late the drafts we did you know. I don't know how fair of barometer says because you know we're doing this basically blindly without rankings without projections and you know in old draft room For the mock drafts that we reviewed but in the pr draft I thought Keep your fant went in round seven. I think that's probably where you're gonna start to see those guys start to go now. I don't think that's a bad spot for them. It was going to say is that. Is that where you be like. Where's herb smith over. Smith's more late like i took him in one of them might have been this one just because i have it open so i took herb smith's round nine in this. Pr run and you can push like at the very least you can push all these back around her too. Because of the rookies irv smith probably well rookie running backs and wide receivers. You mean right right okay. That makes sense because they were not in this draft Yeah i don't know. I guess right you can make the case for for a lot of players and get excited about them like we do every year. But when are you willing to take them. Jamie took arab smith and round. Ny went around seven in this twelve team. Pr league he's what are your thoughts on the sort of promising but unproven guys. Yeah i mean. I think the what we've seen in the past couple of years is if you can take travis kelsey george killer darren waller in the probably the first two rounds but waller might be in the third Do it otherwise. Wait until round nine or ten. And i think dave said this last year draft a couple of them and hit because there were some guys. If you look at the finish of the season. Logan thomas finished the year as number three tight. End robert number four. There were some guys that came from out of nowhere. It just wasn't really the middle. The mid round guys. Logan thomas mann he. His finish was so strong last. Seven games Including the postseason. He was on pace for a hundred and seven catches just short of a thousand yards and seven touchdowns on one hundred and forty four targets. This is on a team that was twenty fifth and scoring twenty fifth in passing yards. Twenty eighth in passing touchdowns so yes they will definitely be some players. We're excited about. What are we making mistakes year after year at tight end. I think you know he kind of alluded to that. But are we just getting excited about young players or putting too much stock in touchdowns like what what mistakes are we fantasy managers make under emphasizing the difference between kelsey kittle and waller and everybody else has been the case for years though. I mean think about it. It was drunken graham for how many years that do. Oh it was Tony gonzalez and antonio gates and then the field you know it kind of always been this way. It's a matter of you know. Where do you find the the second year guys. And and like you said if we got a tongan and and logan thomas to come out of nowhere you know the year before it was probably how finished the season in twenty nineteen. I'm sure there's probably another guy or two. That were missing You know the the nice thing about twenty nine thousand nine was You know we are excited about. Darren waller we're excited about mark andrews in those guys live to the expectations. You know so We we were over hyping the wrong guys now. We were talking about jay howard and hunter henry and and that group and it was the other guys that performed at a much higher level. So it's you know. i think it's just again. It comes down to you. know how. How sold are you on certain situation. And i think for a lot of these guys know kelsey probably not in the same conversation i mean you think about waller is the best receiver on his team. Andrews is the best arguably the best receiver on his team For no the the three year stretch was the best receiver on his team. Logan thomas best receiver on his team kills the best receiver team. You know. it's it's looking at. You know the incomplete receiving course and probably saying these are the titans. I need to target a little bit more. So maybe fancy doesn't have that same opportunity to break out because of all the town around him. Hopkinson may have reached a ceiling and he did a lot of this without gol down the field. So you know it's it's it might be a matter of just looking at okay. The receiving corps not as strong. Maybe these tight ends do have a chance to ascend and could put a cap on somebody like smith for example. Want some numbers and hopkinson How golladay played five games. Played thirty percent of the snaps in one of them. So you know how i do it. I didn't count that game so we play the four games with a healthy kenny. Golladay hodkinson averaged thirty four point five yards per game in the other twelve games. He averaged forty eight point. Seven five yards per game. A really big difference. He was also on pace for for eight targets with golladay and one hundred and five targets without that was a sixteen game pace based on. You think about it like henry. That's numbers came before really mike. Williams was a significant part of the chargers offense Gekas best stretch of games was when preston williams went out in two thousand nineteen. It's not hard to figure out which of these guys have a chance to ascend to. Potential greatness greatness but consistent production. It's pretty interesting. I don't know that we've really framed it like that. Just kind of looking at the other probably have but maybe not enough looking at the rest of the target there Okay so when. Should we take travis. Kelce 'cause i think when you make mistakes of not a the gap between the elite and everybody else enough your for a lot of people would. Do i take these guys over running backs or very high end wide receivers. So it's a difficult decision so let's start with kelsey. When should we take chavis kelsey. Who had his best season and not a per game basis. He was the number three wide receiver. He was better than all but two wide receivers per game which is very which is usually closer to you know wide receiver ten. But when would you take kelsey. When i i did Way back in december the original top twenty four. I had kelsey at eight. I think nine to twelve is the range where you should strongly consider him. I would not want to pass on him. Unless i mean obviously the twelfth pick you get two picks in a row there but i i would not anticipate him coming back to me if i passed on him in round one. Jamie look at the mock draft. We did a couple of weeks ago or three weeks ago. P p r. Mccaffrey cook kamara henry. Chubb devante atoms barkley. Jonathan taylor travis. Kelsey nine to me. Austin ekeler tend to you then zeke then clyde edwards helaire but yeah nine. That's exactly what he was saying. I'm in total agreement. I think you could start to consider him as early as seven. You can make the case. They should be drafted ahead of the month adams. Just based on what. His position is by comparison to what the position player. And i think once you start to get to the back after the first round you have a general idea and certainly when we get to have a general idea of okay. There's five to ten running backs that you could potentially say i'm gonna take in the second round you know and it just depends on how how much you value those guys you like. So you know if you if you're not sold on running back six through twelve then take kelsey and take one of those running backs in the second round or avoid running back in general if you want to go that route as well. I do think it's interesting like you know. Chris is pushing this idea chris. Hours bush's idea of three tight ends in the first round. And if you go back to last year and you would have done that would hit it yourself because kelsey would have been fantastic and you would have either ertz or andrews potentially as the third guy because he was in the mix with waller. It wasn't slammed up yet but didn't but waller was a lot better this year than anyone was then. Well let me just check while they're averaged seventeen point five. yeah well. There was a lot better this year than those guys were last year. So she'll go back two years ago when they all set records when it was urged. Yeah catcher record and kelsey was amazing. And kittle had an amazing season. Yeah i think you would have been a little. You would have been disappointed. They all took a a fairly big step in two thousand nineteen but they all had pretty good years. Kelsey averaged sixteen fantasy points per game. It's very good kittle. Averaged fifteen point nine. He missed two games but in two thousand nineteen. Those guys were awesome. Earth's was fourteen point four. That's not worth a first round. Pick even at tight end. I just i just think you know the second round and it's going to be the back into the second round. I think based on my expectations of the average option. I don't think we're gonna see like crystal kittle with the second pick around. I don't see that happening very often. I don't think we're gonna see waller. And as of now. I like waller. Second because i just don't know the quarterback situation san francisco. Once we get a quarterback you know cemented in place for the forty niners. Then i'll probably put back ahead of waller but my my initial rankings. He referenced coming off of the season. I had waller second not because of the production but because just the quarterback situation at least i know right now derek. Cars is the quarterback of the raiders. I see those guys at the back end of rental and and i think should be drafted around too. But i don't think they're gonna go earlier onto and definitely not thinking you're seeing them going round one okay. Heath health round one for kelsey. What about what about for you for killing waller and who do you have right ahead. I currently have kittle killer waller closer to each other than they are to kelsey kittles middle of round two and wallers problem. I wouldn't be surprised if waller ends up at the top of round three. But i think he's a late round. Pick is where i'd be pretty happy taking him and the nice thing about that is. If that's the way it shakes out then just about everybody is going to have a shot at one of those elite tight ends. So that's true so let me. What is what do you make of this dour. Darren waller his first eleven games. He had five hundred and forty two yards his last five games. He had six hundred and fifty four yards. So we does that matter to you. It all started with that two hundred yard jet game. And then after that i mean he went two hundred yards. Seventy five yards one fifty one twelve one seventeen. That's how he finished. But before that his first eleven games on pace for seven hundred eighty eight yards on one hundred and thirty one targets. Very weird he averaged almost double the amount of yards per catch basically in those last five. Not quite maybe more. Like forty percent more but Crazy anyway like he says that matter to you those splits pretty by it was eleven games including their by. I don't think that later by six. I'm just looking at josh. Jacobs game logs because they ran the ball out better than the first half of the season's second season run game fell part. That was eleven games of a lot of catches a good amount of touchdowns but very disappointing production per target and then five games of best tight end in. nfl history. Basically like like tyler higby. I don't think we should expect those five games to be the norm moving into the new year. That's part of it The as far as how bad the pace was in the first eleven games. There were some weird games in there. They had the terrible weather game against cleveland. Were nobody threw the ball. They had the game against the patriots where they just completely took him out of the game. There were some weird things. I think you like. If you're looking looking at an expectation for darren waller it's in between the twelve hundred yards he had in the seven hundred and fifty was on pace for So that's one of the reasons. Why i don't agree with the idea of putting him in the same category as kelsey and in that first round discussion. But i still think you're looking at back to back seasons with eleven hundred yards and a and ninety catches we don't have to parse it too much more than that. Yeah jacobs jacobs hurt in week. Twelve didn't play in week thirteen. It's almost like that's exactly coincides. Well that's okay. That's pretty interesting and something to keep in mind going forward also again. Like look at the receiving corps. Now's your number one receiver. You probably going to lean on another position to help you out. are you worried about. Are you worried about you. And depot and kittle in that regard. I mean you have to be a little concerned because kittles greatness and he's great. Don't get me wrong. But his greatness came when they're receiving corps their top receiver was not they pettus. You know so he was. He was amazing still with deebo. But we know debo was a rookie. Learn his way and you know didn't have great production but now you have deebo. Nra you can. You've seems to be a legitimate talent. So is he going to be at that. Same level of production. I don't know. I think the quarterback will determine that. I'm not i'm not shying away from kill because of it but i do think that if you're comparing waller and kill right now who has an opportunity to get more targets yet to say waller. Yeah i i would agree with that. The one thing i would say about the forty niners situation is i'm more worried about deebo than i am about. I you or kittle. And i'm more worried about i you can. I am about kittle. Those guys are healthy. I think kittles the one to be the least concerned about those three. Yeah we just played so few games at the same time. I don't even know maybe one or two people with. Oh yeah with garoppolo right. It's there's not a lot to go off of their whose side and for heath. oh that's a discussion that we're probably going to fight over all summer. I don't even remember who. I originally put it tight for him working through my projections right now. I i have mark andrews as my Early top four. I think hopkinson is in that discussion. But i'd probably go and re still jamie who got yeah. Saint andrews You know i. I think you go back to the whole of him being the guy that he was in two thousand nineteen. I'm sorry. twenty twenty That jackson is back to that level as well and as starting back between ninety i where he was clearly a better end zone producer scoring did a better job of finding the end zone and score more touchdown but i just feel a little bit more secure with him again. It's looking at the offense. Where what else is there. Markeith browns not a guy. That's gonna command. A hundred and fifty targets is just not part of his game. And that's not the offense but andrews. I think is still the i read for lamar jackson. I still think. That's the guy i look for in the red zone So i think he's laws the most upside to that fourth guy and can easily crack the top three. If one of the other guys as a setback as shown you eat the last two years he gets hurt and it's worth noting like well. It was a disappointing season for mark. Andrews he was also number three on a per game basis. He was better than tj and last year in in his down year on a permanent basis. Yeah i miss four. I had a v and non. Pbr fourth pr. But it's probably very very close with whoever it was three and kill was was three right. Okay i wasn't cutting him so forth for andrew for andrew's per game. Npr one thing. Though that needs to be considered his splits were very different once. Nick boil got hurt which might not make sense. But i believe his routes run went way up with nick boil. He was on pace for eighty eight targets without him. If you want to remove the game that boyle partially played you want just go without him. The five games that boiled did not play. He was on pace for one hundred twelve targets so and that was with lamar jackson. Throwing less actually throwing fewer passes. Course maher mar jackson at one point. He said something like he he just started. he's just like i just had run. More is at the end of the year. Jackson was playing a lot better but he was also throwing less. He was running a lot more. And that's just. That was his default. Like offense isn't really working right now. I'm just gonna run more. So that's not great for mark andrews Well in relation to that too. I mean it wasn't just a that they rian more. They ran a lot fewer plays i. Didn't they're in like five. Fewer plays per game last year. They didn't twenty nineteen. So that's where a lot of their total number of runs also went down last year and i think that their percentage was very very similar. It's just that they didn't run near as many place. Okay so why don't we talk about some sleepers breakouts busts you can lump sleepers and breakouts and if you want but let's that jamie who are some twenty twenty one sleepers earth mid is going to be toes. The line you know. Is he a breakout. Is you sleeper. I'll put in the sleeper category for now. Just like the setup especially if kawhi rudolph leaves we've seen some of that potential in production. I'm gonna go back to blake jarwin. I think if he's healthy he'll be the lead tight end for the cowboys. You saw some good production from schultz. I think with the healthy dak prescott. What blake jarwin had the potential to be going into the season before the acl tear. I'll go back to him as well and then coach is another one you know. Just looking at the most likely scenario jimmy. Graham leaving i hope for jimmy graham sake it was pretty cool moment. Brooms end is is the time of his career. You know catching the one hand. Touchdown walk into the tunnel in the place. Where you made your most your production new orleans Not the ending that you wanted but certainly the maybe place in the play So those are three that i'll look at A lot and in that same draft drafted at the ankle. Commit to what you said. He's about you know dave's point i'm taking too. I think that's good if you don't get a guy that you like in a guy that you're sold on rethinking has potential. Take two guys eating potential so those are two sleepers and then the breakouts Dow's god's going to be number one if sacri- has gone as expected I think no fans they'll fall in that category as a breakout guy. Those would be probably the two most popular ones. Okay so jamie says irv. Smith blake jarwin coal kameta sleepers. Dallas noah. fant is breakouts. He's got well that's most of them know would be probably my favorite breakouts I would like. I think one guy is oj. Howard it's going to be and we don't. we're not talking about who's going to be on the buccaneers next year yet. Because they're still playing this year but they have a lot of decisions to make with their offense and howard still under contract for another year so he could be really interesting to the deep sleeper coming off. That injury agree on jarwin. I think that there is a chance to find somebody else. That jamie didn't say but he's i think he's at a mall. Okay now i mentioned. I'm blanking on his name for whatever reason the rookie from new orleans with jericho trautmann trotman. And maybe maybe josh oliver actually skits and stays healthy. That could be An offense that threw the ball of the tight ends a little bit jacksonville. What about hunter henry in ebony. Ingram i ask jamie about them on f fifteen five heath. he's he's jamie's moran on henry ingram heath. What about you are you about those who were at you know exciting young players for one spotted time. They're still pretty young Who is henry playing for that. That will have a big impact on. How excited i am but if he goes to a good situation where you expect him to get targets then yeah i think you'll still view him as a low end number one side in it. It's hard for me to get excited about ingram. Just because of the way that they use them most of the time but he will if he is somebody that's available in and around nine around ten. I think he absolutely belongs in the sleeper category. If we're still going to draft him in round six around seven then i'll be out. I mean in the draft. Just did he went after. Zach zach ertz. Now we didn't have rankings so you actually took too tight ends in rounds. Twelve and thirteen. I said we just did it. Did it early january. Jonnu smith and zakar. It's you took with the last pick of round twelve when the first pick around thirteen. And then evan ingram one right. After that and i know this was a draft where you were oh man. I'm maybe a lot of people. Oh maybe i should have taken that guy. 'cause he just couldn't see who was available. But would you take evan engram over johnny wars. Akers if you could do it again. I don't know over jonnu smith because he thought you talk about target. You think in corey davis has gone or something. Well we smith could be going and corey. Davis could be gone we. We don't have any the nets. That's one of the things that i noticed going to. There's a lot of question marks as far as who's going to be on on whose team this year but I thinking you're belongs in that same conversation with those two guys. Depending on where they all are playing. It could be replaced every mock draft. You see the giants are taking cal. Pets oh no you kidding me. Now you've seen it several times. I've seen i would guess jomar chase would have to be off the board at that point at eleven. They need a wide receiver. Much more than a titan. Yeah kyle kyle pits will be Really exciting rookie and jamie's in love with him. So just get used to it right now. He's bonus is pretty awesome for sure all right so there will be some fun late round tight ends for you by the way evan ingram was just get these numbers here. He was fourth in targets fifth and catches eighth in yards. Among tight ends. And fifty i in touchdown catches. He had one touchdown catch on one hundred and nine targets. Oh my gosh. That's pretty impressive. View if you said before the season he's going to be top five in targets he would have been a top five top around. I five rounds. He would have been taken quite possibly the giants though they are an offense to probably run away from the they ran the third fewest plays in the nfl. And that wasn't because their defense stunk. That's their philosophy. So that's not good. When there are a lot of mouths to feed on an offense that doesn't run a lot of place All right. I think that's pretty much it for tight end. I have a feeling we'll talk about tight end a little bit more before you draft in nine months whenever or when is it seven months. Who's who's counting. We'll take a quick break when we come back. We will talk about a few news items and read your emails. Fancy football cbsdfwcom introducing the new horizon business unlimited plans now. You can pick a plan for his lowest three dollars. A month per line with auto-pay get five g nationwide plus massive data capacity plus spam blocking features and with rise in business unlimited. You can mix and match the right plans for your business so you get more of what you need and none of what you don't from verizon. The network businesses rely on five g. 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The texans are set to interview. Leslie frazier the bills. Defensive coordinator baltimore assistant head coach. David kelly and jim caldwell who is the head coach for the colts in the lions in pretty successful with that guy. They should hire although. Yeah i i know. He had to step aside from the dolphins because of health issues. Hopefully those are resolved but very accomplished head coach. This is interesting i on. Cbs sports dot com the reason the box are hosting a super bowl. This year is because of weather. These of rain back in two thousand seventeen. The los angeles chargers and los angeles rams announced that the opening of their new stadium was going to be delayed a full year citing record setting reign while superbowl fifty five was still several years away at that point. The nfl requires stadiums to be open for two years before hosting a super bowl so the league was forced to move the big game to raymond james stadium tampa so they were suppose. This super bowl was supposed to be in los angeles but because of rain delayed the construction of the stadium sin tampa bay about that. There's something that maybe nobody cared about. But i think it's pretty neat. Tavare mail is fantasy. Football cbsdfwcom sent him in. Of course apple podcasts abuse. If you give us an apple podcast review we will read it on the show. Five stars and a question garrett in my empire league similar to dynasty but with six bench spots and three taxi spots i was offered this trade i give up russell wilson and miles sanders. I get kareem hunt terry maclaurin and the two point. Oh four rookie. Pick so give wilson miles sanders. Get kareem hunt terry maclaurin and the fourth pick of round two in the rookie draft will soon as one quarter. Yeah one quarterback who hate he. Now he does have dak and wilson and two but not like this at all a downgraded running back. Yeah you are getting the best player because mclaren's best player is he. Are you taking maclaurin ahead of miles. Sanders at this point in dynasty absolute. I was just looking and The dynasty trade chart in it has been upgraded for month but Yeah i had maclaurin over sanders. And i definitely have kareem hunt over russell wilson when quarterback. I think so if you're getting a second round pick as well i hate it. I don't i don't think it's it's kinda just you know replacing spots. You said he has deck. He does until he also has michael. Thomas aj brown. And mario cooper and courtland sutton you can never have enough great wide receivers dynasty but you also can never have enough great running backs now miles. Sanders isn't great. But i I have christian mccaffrey. And a bunch of junk. And if i had a healthy christian mccaffrey. I would've won the dynasty league last year because my receiver but he he doesn't. I don't know what that means. Yeah i already had already has great. You want receiver capital and dynasty leagues. All right so you're doing this trade. Yes i would do it. Okay from rusty. What do you think i can get for nick. Chubb i took over an orphan team in a super flex league. I had the first pick of rounds one two and three. I traded one a one for one. Oh four to seven and two twelve. Chubb is the best player on my team but there is a manager who has one zero seven one twelve and two zero four. Is that asking too much. Those three picks the seventh twelfth and then the fourth pick of round two. Is that asking too much for nick. Chubb no if you get that. That's crazy that's not. I think that's asking a little. I mean you can ask. But that's right. That's a heck of a hall. Yeah i mean. I wouldn't give that but you'd ask for it right. What would you not quite an easier trade. would you give one. Oh seven to afford for nick chubb. If i'm win now yes yeah yeah. This is from john. F f gang. After thirteen years. I finally want my first championship agent but to help secure the win traded away twenty five dollars of my twenty twenty one draft budget for nick chubb in a two hundred dollar league. So now i'm disadvantaged in our salary cap draft next season. And i'm trying to get creative. I cia for forty eight bucks out of one hundred and seventy five for him two hundred for everyone else. But i also have these options. Jonathan taylor for thirty one. Jk dobbins for nineteen and cam. Akers for eleven. I don't know how many he needs to keep. That's the problem that i mean. Trump is the worst value. Isn't he for sure by far. So you've got chubb for forty eight. You've got taylor for thirty one. Dobbins for nineteen and acres for eleven. How would you rank them. In terms of value jamie i would rank them taylor acres dobbins. I think i agree. Okay so hoping you. It helps i taylor's first shoves last. Why do you think cam akers fell. Like in the drafts. We did in january in early january. He was coming off of the ankle injury. And so i think a little outta sight outta mind yeah. He went thirty. Sixth in the full and i believe i took him in the fourth round. Probably about forty overall in the half league so we had discussion while you were going on the draft. And i wanted to get in on it because i thought it was so interesting. Yeah dave said already he would have taken acres over. Every two average layer he had i had picked back into the first round so i really was out on this unless he would have fallen to me in round three but that wasn't happening so i think acres is going to end up being a late round. Pick just look at these carries in his last six games including the playoffs to one. Twenty nine fifteen twenty one twenty eight eighteen and the game with fifteen carries was the jets game. He got hurt in. That game came back with miss some time. But that's just an incredible workload. Yeah it's kind of like nick chubb in that. You're probably the one thing we don't know that could change things as could his role grow in the passing game. The rams the last two years just haven't really throwing the ball of their running backs at all and they preferred to throw it to both malcolm brown and darrell henderson over acres last year. But he was a rookie I don't know what his receiving upside is. Which will hold him down a little bit. Npr but he could he could be a top twelve. Pack nature the flip side of that. Though is he got all of that work. The latter part of it's only playoffs darrell. Henderson was playing. So how much of a role does henderson still have now. Obviously as we saw when they came back from there by it was the cam akers show and that was kind of what we were. hearing from. the offseason on i i continue to reference jordan rodriguez athletic. She told us out on. Hq in the preseason. She kept reporting it throughout the season and that acres would build toward the end of the year. And that's what he and so is. Is there a henderson completely. Forgotten or does he still have that complementary role that we see with backups. That could just drive down the price a little bit of came makers and drive down the valley the productions well he that was your first show back. Would you think. I really thought it was fantastic. You guys carried me. i appreciate it. You are very welcome. That's what we're here to do and we'll talk. Say he's in chris towers on thursday with a look at some early projections for the two thousand twenty one season. Thanks to jamie heath and ben. I'm adam thanks so much to all of you for listening and for your emails and apple podcasts review will read it on the show. And we'll talk to you on thursday both on fantasy football today. Five and betsy multi leg up on your bookie every single day. Yes every single day we got you covered the early edge a daily betting podcast powered by sportsline. Join me coach. 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Episode 222: Pace Outlooks with Pat Thorman -- Jaguars to rack up plays?

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Episode 222: Pace Outlooks with Pat Thorman -- Jaguars to rack up plays?

"Welcome to episode two hundred twenty two. The official established dot com podcast. My name is adam levine. And today we have a very very special guest one of the oldest and best friends of the show. He's coming off yet. Another top ten finish in the expert. Rankings competition it's only two pm eastern right now. So he's not on peyote or tequila yet. Although you couldn't tell by his beard it is our own pat thornton thornton. Has it gone buddy. Pretty good that Jurors on today on today's show. We're going to talk about pace. I think much like offensive line. Play which by the way we covered thorn last week. Pace analysis is under represented relatives the impact. It has on fantasy football. If you've ever done a projection you know that the place to start is just straight well. How many plays is a team going to run in this game. And that's more complicated than it sounds right. How often will they go. Hurry up were they bleed. The play clock down every time do they sustain their normal pace when they're trailing there's a lot more that goes into it. Thornton has been studying this stuff for years bringing a dive into twenty twenty one pace outlooks today before we get into. That wanted to remind everyone that if you have a fantasy draft coming up we can help our just thirty. Four ninety nine include silva's top one fifty tears team-by-team preview sleepers bus. My perfect draft favor flyers abusing the default rankings thorns offensive line ranking storms pace preview. Everything we think you need to win at your draft second if you have already purchased a draft kit please take the free underdog money you are entitled to ten dollars as an existing user thirty five dollars if you are new. Just go to the best ball tab on the site on their underdog you'll see an article titled had claim your underdog credit would be very silly not to take the free money. Let's get into it first of all. Before we pay stuff shadow the thornton as i mentioned for another top ten finish in the rankings contest. This is really hard. There's over one hundred people that enter it every year. This is storm in six top ten finish in the last eight years that people need to know thornton. How are you so successful in being so accurate in the rankings. Each year while. I've got much of a social life You know it's a lot of a lot of the keel on friday nights looking at things and then a lot of tinkering on sunday mornings five plus the v. for no the rankings accuracy and our etr subscribers than my own dfs lineups on sunday morning and so much tinkering. But watch. you're in heaven show and just you know tinker right up with the law of the lock. Yeah i mean just be on top of everything. Defense kickers tight ends. It's not the easiest thing in the world to do shutout to form of courses rankings are part of our in season package shoutout to us looking forward to another year of thornton crushing those okay onto pace so the question that people want to know is differences from last year right because we can obviously go back and find the pace and thinking about how teams played last year. Who are a team or teams. You think our way likelier to play faster than they did last season. The first one that comes to mind is is the seahawks. There's been a pretty state. Drumbeat this off season. Now that shame waldron's they're fast. They're gonna play arrests talking about he's gonna huddle sprinkle venture out the game and not just in the fourth quarter on us calling his own. Police throughout the game off locker was saying the other day that has has has forty hundred fifty please. Now he can call versus about fifteen they had in the past. And we've all been burned by. Pete not losing his nerve before we got to happen last year. Almost predictably of but it seems like the scott. Lorrimore legs This time is probably the more firefighters smoke but at a bare minimum it's to be faster and more luminous will play volume standpoint than the second half last year Hopefully things of the year but if nothing else. It's going to be boosted relevant to what we saw in november december last year. Yeah i mean. I think the offense coordinator you my first reaction was which palmer got fired was it was like this dude. Tried to throw the ball too much and they were like. Oh my god we got to slow down. We gotta run more. We got to play better defense. Get rid of schottenheimer. But then waldron comes in. Do you have any feel on. How much more control waldron. We'll have in why the headbutting with schottenheimer was going on. I think you've got to have a little more faith because they did bring in another guy who has similar profile at least from a pass heavier you know a temple type of angle and i think he realized that megan maybe hopefully realized that you know we didn't work when put on the brakes last year at the defense played a little bit better but on the offense Cratered like we said so. I think you know he learned his lesson. Maybe it's tough to say for sure. Tough for an old dog learn tricks. I guess but like everything's shifted. This offseason hopefully Than than than luscious. Yeah i. I've been taking tire it a lot in round four i think ross is fine when he gets to me in like round seven or eight. I think mcafee is fine at the end around to. Although i think it's a little steep that gap between him and lock. It might be a little bit too much. Harry thinking about seahawks players general. Now i'm fine with with those guys were metcalf toward north toward the end of the second beginning. Third of joke durrell's ever is actually a pretty decent target on these east. Not not expensive and they were talking about how we want to get the ball at arrested hands quicker so necessarily all those shots. They wanna work. The are in part of a little bit more seductive. Kinda kinda help out as well plus. He's a little bit scenarios lodging from from ranch. Sure that that's been the biggest thing that i've noticed they kind of blame last year second-half downturn on hey we need to get the ball out of russia's hands quicker not run. So many deep routes defenses. Were prepared. They're just sitting deep and wedding. Mcafee locked come to them now. They're gonna play more underneath. So i think that's good for catch rate that's good for pr. Any other teams that you think you're gonna play faster than last. Jacksonville is is one that kind of a little over projection. Obviously because now they've been slow and low play volume for for quite a while. It might take the kind kinda show itself noticed such a Team all around But i think they're going to rise a little bit pace certain play volume on ladera level. Who's now the oc here. We took over in detroit. Offense coordinator designed the dead last and pace and then in two thousand nineteen. They were a little bit above average elected faster. Once took over as head coach interim head coach for tricia faster on trevor on sneaky and had some success playing temple. Clemson mortgage loans comes over with babble from detroit. Is that some continuity discontinuity on on jags offensive line. So they're all five starters on urban. Meyer is while accardi we. We don't know exactly what he's agreeing on. But even he had some some experience with some spread. Uptempo on from siamese lawyer on so i think that it's really under the radar About that you'll have some simple for the offense faces lawrence. But i think they might be backed up by better pace. Yeah i think that's super interesting. And someone i think that I've been too low on early in the process on warranty now is travis at again. I think that this is the kind of running back that i want to be on. First round. draft capital can run between the tackles but excels in the past game. Like this is the dream that chimera christian mccaffrey andrea swift type players. That's who i want to be taking at running back. And so i've probably been chula too low on travis. Also this division like the colts are kind of falling apart. I mean we know. The texans are total trainwreck. Jaguars have a chance to actually be legit good and compete to win this division. I think it'll be a big part of that. So he's a guy that i've been on. I i'm trying to get more on lately and symbol of is gives chenault. I think he's the guy that i want ahead of shark ahead of marvin jones for me. Trevor lawrence has really soft schedule is starting to talk about that a lot. He's moved trevor lawrence up in the top one fifty i sharon lawrence can start fast as well so add in the pace the pace possibilities. I like it all right. So we have seattle jacksonville as team storm in thinking. Play faster than last year. What about a team team thornton team or teams. You think will play slower than they did last year. It's crazy to stay with. The vikings are and they didn't even play particularly fast last shows. Kinda just fast for them on their defense Produce some decent shootouts and they wind up averaging the nineteenth most game which obviously is not all that nothing to write home about. That's up from twenty seven the four twenty second for that they still operated on the twenty fifth fastest situation pace. But now you're gonna defense that she rebounding gotta offensive. Line has been solidified while and that kind of screams. More immoral zimmer. And that's going to grow she with fewer of those barn burner shootouts last year so unfortunately to prove tight target in touch tree. They're on but i wouldn't be going digging for ansari options historic second to play the back down into the twenties Stars iraqis yeah. That's something that we've been fighting. I've been encouraging us to get higher on earth smith and we just go through the math and it's like man. It's harder to get higher on irv smith without outrageous efficiency. Plays are just not there. Adam feeling just justin jefferson dobbin. Cook take up so many of the touches in a low play volume but man i think are really involved around the goal line still like earth smith but yeah you're going to need touchdown efficiency for sure. I'd also say i agree with you. That minnesota's defense is going to be way way way better this year. They have a very soft schedule to start. Also but yeah. I mean it is tight so i mean jefferson and phelan. I think are fine agree with you. That irv is maybe thinner than people. Think gonna touchdown efficiency anybody else slower or ready to move on He will we want to talk about sonar genes that the public sinks spied on but they they could be a long. I think the saints saints gonna stay out here. It's like not Number of the expectation is that the staining play fast. But i think the public still likes them just because some legal but no Already extremely pass verse and and slow paced in bottom five metrics and he pleading slower wedge breezes out iran few plays in jerusalem's out there play vials. Okay do you kind of breezed driven efficiency on tencent snaps per game coach. Any drop in there And you've got a broken passing gain. Yep basically of the receivers now will taste passes. I mean any drop in efficiency can really bottom out that flavouring from way down into the twenties and now i'm not sure the public quite there on the saints. Downside of the saints ratner yeah. We've talked a lot about how we think there's at least some chance you know line is very good coach. And he's very good but there's some chance twenty twenty five percent chance. The offense just absolutely craters implying. Slow you know. You saw last year with new england when you have major quarterback promise when you have white out problems you can try to win with off line and defense part of that though is planning really really slow and you know you saw that and so i agree with you. Definitely see that with the saints. What about somebody. Maybe the public is thinks is going to play fast but there place slow but they're actually going play fast this up pretty washington In another thought of as as defensive team and they are but they're not as up case von by play by teen whereas lesch knife and pace a in snaps for gain intense in a situation. Joe pass rate of note. Of course lowest passes were glorify. Handoffs scott turner is still. There even got him to be sure to his running backs a couple of years ago and so the defense is obviously very good. So they're going to hold down opposition place. This isn't like a a huge fantasy. Friendly environment should both teams but washington. Fast offense defense getting ball back quick. Run a ton please on end. We don't like to look too far down. Pike but they're fancy playoff schedule is dallas philly dallas philly all as you look at it not to apace gains dallas for sure. Both teams have suspects. That were not exactly strengthens. Pace with syrians. Kind one no. But i mean if you look for a solution for like kind of a contrarian large field best ball tournament that has some playoff upside. Washington obviously gives right draft yet that very affordable so. I think that it's worth ramesh. Darts a domestic. I'll buddy hugh hugh hugh are really making a move. I mean i. I've been on washington got i mean i was taking washington to win the nfc. East washington win total over. I've been in on gibson maclaurin and fitz and diani and logan. I mean. I think they're going to be very very good. That i feel like. It's a little worrisome. At the early season schedule as a bit soft because they could not be that good early in the season and lose some games and maybe people panic a little bit. But yeah i mean. They're going to get it and they're gonna get together. As long as ryan. Fitzpatrick can stay healthy. Love that one. I do wanna get listener questions. But there's a few other teams. We have to talk about here. I think cincinnati is one. We saw them play very fast. I believe last year. When joe borough was healthy for the first ten games now he's coming off injury but they add jomar chase. Singling tend to play even more aggressively on offense. What do you think about cincinnati's pace outlook for twenty twenty. One love it I think most people in those joe borough splits by now. We both in tweeting about several times on this off season. They dropped them. I did pass rate. The twenty third day scored more than a touchdown field viewpoints per game without borough source the thirty first place for regained and eighth quickest to third slowest pace with the key. For me there's is wasn't it wasn't a food Zach how his first year. It were seventeen pacing a knife in place for so while there's some concern over the division Division vata slow. Start here in camp down. But i think that might actually work at the art advantage. Just slow down the this society. Adp screaming on spring so but very significant confident. There's going be a fast patents offense at minimum with some upside in there. Yeah and that week one game obviously when drafting is released their salary one of the first thing that stood out to me and everybody was how cheap the bengals where i mean insultingly cheap on the bengals. They do play minnesota in week. When i'll be interested to see your thoughts in there in the week one article how that game's going to go in terms of pace. We talked about minnesota we know. Cincinnati wants to play fast. I hope they can keep borough up. I mean go back. And listen to the pod with thorn. I think there's some optimism on keeping borough clean but yes still a trouble spot for sure. What about carolina. We talked about the washington already. Obviously some ties there to carolina. Carolina played very fast. And look i mean. Even though teddy wasn't good last year he still supported three very viable. Fantasy plays a week. My davis typically robbie and dj more. What do you think about. Carolina's pace outlook with darnold in the mix. It's to be honest with you. It's it's tough. I mean. I really don't know what to expect. Especially after last year. We thought that you would not rule job ready coming in all. They were gonna play fast based on expectations. Finale shoe just. That was a pretty much locked in expectation that they were gonna play fast and then they were Slowest pace team of perhaps try to protect that young defense. But you know hopefully in a second year together the oh they're gonna they're gonna go a little bit faster even a small increase in tempo gonna boost those plays out. There were six in place per game on n roll. Sam darnold false. No even rarely was starting out games in in those scripted. No huddled plays. He didn't look terrible. So maybe if he gets on instinctual play going with him just just knows of lay gets up snap but maybe we can offer that i. I'm really not sure but This is this is a tough one for me. I don't have a strong either way. But i'm i'm less confident than it was less than. Nfs one thing that you can say and coaches deal. And i mean. I know we've talked about this before. But like when i was in high school and we were playing basketball our team. I mean we were not very good. We were not very talented. We played as slow as humanly possible because every more possessions team men more chance to extrapolate their edge over us so we played so slow we were trying to win games like forty two thirty five and stuff like that and it was embarrassing. How slow we played. But you know it was the best way for us to win. I think some coaches they say. Hey we're not as good as these other teams. Let's just try to play slow as possible and lowered number possessions increased variance by laurie number possessions. And maybe that's the carolina does but i think they have confidence in darnold like i i mean i know that sounds crazy man but i think a lot of quarterback play can be hidden with wider. Seaver play in other words like you. Tom brady really struggled when he was with new england. With total dust wide receivers. He goes to tampa with godwin evans san antonio brown and gronk and lights the field on fire right. I'm not gonna say donald's going to like the field on fire but with robbie terrorists marshall. Dj more christian mccaffrey. I think he'll be fine. And just getting away from adam gates so maybe they step on it a little bit. Just they have confidence in darn more confidence in the public. Hasn't darnall i think that's for sure. I don't know i'm out of my mind. No reminded all it makes sense. And even just starting a couple of dump off. Chris mccaffrey the way to get your constables. Yes Yeah it definitely had pretty decent ceiling and like i said. I don't think they need to play that much faster to get some volume in that office. Let's talk about another quarterback change. Matthew stafford is now with the rams they have the cam acres injury. And i think they kind of think of camakers as more of a workhorse pounder back. Dale henderson kinda backed at. I prefer personally more space back. A more pass catching oriented back. I don't know how you think if at all that affects their pace but stafford coming in. I think certainly affects their pace. What you think. The rams outlook is i completely agree on the jerry. Goff trimmed meals are gonna are gonna come off at this point. I mean and the rams always seem to run a lot of plays on but less shooter efficiency triggered that was directly attributable to golf's play on the downside fifteenth snaps pace which also is part of that gough training Being running for years before that there were second second second And so they stafford in there. He's got playing experience. No huddle by free by the league Rate and they've got four up based division beings and in the afc south so things are clicking on our from several different trumpster them on so even though they had some very options. I think they're been have overplay vying to support them as well. Yeah no i i like. They're taking a ton of darryl henderson talked about that on mondays pod. Adp is creeping up. We're still ahead of market on that. I also take a lot of tyler. He'd be for sure everybody as soon as they know how to play back defensive line back what could possibly go wrong for dallas this year. You follow the cowboys pretty closely. This seems like a no brainer anything to say about dallas outlook on the other pieces back. Knock on whether that they stay healthy. I mean that's that's pretty much. That's pretty much it The move really index five-star signal. I in pace. I and plays second no huddled third points and even played fast ish under dull. Let's just more offense on mccarthy and screwed up Michigan outs now. Baseline on offense and navistar slava suspects secondary so the jury nothing. That's going to slow them down barring for injuries. The only thing is. I'm i'm a little worried about using those splits with tac because if you remember those games specifically i mean they would get down by thirty points in those games like not not even close. I mean they were getting wrecked and then back would end up with like sixty pass attempts. I know we adjust all this all these stats for neutral situation and stuff like that but this give you any pause that they were getting absolutely blasted in those games. Dak was healthy last year. I guess definitely worth mentioning. The i was actually was wasn't met high-scoring as it was at la but then there's a secret forward were dickens bananas all but i mean i don't see the defense being that much better to share that they're not going to be in outs especially if the influence so fast themselves because it's the script flips Your voltage is playing fast. Coming trying to come back. So i think they have enough of catalysts on our own offense plus their own pace to just the spa shootouts arizona. everybody assumes you get into sheets 'cause you have cuyler murray they did add rhonda moore who i liked. It did at aj green who you know. We'll see what. Aj green has left in the tank based on it. Looks like not much but we shall see what you think about arizona. Look very similar to the cowboys just locked in a in play volume on dallas. Had the most combined please in their games last year off I situation for pace. And i play by each of the last two seasons they also have a suspect secondary again renovation with two other pace teams that plus the afc south. That's half their scheduled on right. There is physics favorable on this kind of just wheels up all around. They swapped out shits for aj green. So at least you have somebody to make Calcified yeah actually think I know what you're saying. But i think the direct swap is should be. Larry fits the rondell more they were throwing. Larry fits these like bubble screens and like quick hitters and be like oh larry go do something after the catch which is a disaster. I mean toronto more and let him go nuts. And maybe i'm biased. I have a bet on rondo. More over five hundred and a half receiving yards. But i do think that all of those bubbles screens should go to ron down more this year. We're in counter money already okay. Let's get some listener questions. Got a bunch of good ones. We're going to do fi first. One from best ball ratings. He says atlanta played fast. Last season tennessee played even faster. If arthur smith ups the temple even more in atlanta it seemed like a good bet. Matt ryan again leads the. Nfl and attempts with fairly narrow targetry would love to hear holes poked in this analysis. Thanks can you poke holes in his now on atlanta with arthur smith too many holes in that i agree with it. I'm looking so what. Smith their defense defense is almost certainly gonna suck as much as tennessee's the last year on offensive pay slash contributed to their defense given third-most praise Which created good offense. Wireless with the boltons tennessee lashed with fast. Despite you know running ton which is bullish Providence auto launch Matt ryan usa playing fast to play with huddle tennessee third-most Last year. i mean. I don't want to argue with that ask. Yeah i i think that because they're going to play a lot of too wide receiver sets and two tight end with hearst and pits in makes people think that they could slow it down a bit but i don't agree with you. I don't think they've even think about. Hey let's run the ball of time. I mean when you. Mike davis is your is your rb one and quadra alison is your rb to. You can't be expecting to run the ball a ton. So yeah. I think matt ryan i don't like taking pure pocket passers in terms of streamer in terms of dfs spiked. We in terms of baseball. I could see matt ryan. Pay it off in stacks with pits or ridley and i'd like pits and ridley both time. I'm out on my davis. Though you can listen to the bus pod for more on that question too from ryan he says when it comes to pace of play. Are there any commonalities. We should be looking for year over year in these teams. I e rookie. Starting quarterbacks coach is looking for advantages. New coaches coming from other fast paced system offense facing better defense looking for an edge. I guess ryan's basically asking. What can we look for. Year-over-year that sticky and pace. I think that you now there were coach. Who's coming from festus systems on most uptempo or slow paced. Things are kind of coach and or quarterback driven on a chip. Kelly oregon instilling san francisco. Tom brady's example of a quarterback side. I mean every single seasonings in england they were the very top of the pay standings and then he went through a resilience offense which was slowed like been pack or slower and wondering. Who's kind of carry. That patient was it was brady. They were the fastest offense from the season. Rico tap so i. I think the looking at coaches and quarterbacks to that is probably a pretty safe way to go off. Maybe something like Teens tend to be more a pace relative around heavy teams that just based on the clock on all the time. But i think that the coach quarterback correlation is crucial from vide- smalls. He says the teams with poor offensive lines tend to pick up. The pace are constantly under pressure. There's some examples of this. I mean we mentioned borough already one of the worst lines in the league last year. Bengals were playing it. Very high pace with borough. We've seen other teams go. Hurry up when they have poor offensive line. Play like the steelers went to a lotta hurry up last year. Do you think there's any correlation there between poor offensive line and fast play. Couldn't say for sure. I know that no using temporal does pass rushes on sometimes. We've seen seen coaches talk about that. When you at the worst lines and try to find a correlation of the worst some of them are teams that play fast on the war on teams. That play slow. But i guess if you if you can't you can't block consistently doesn't matter how fast you're playing on us going to be hurting the worst. But i think there's something to it. But i can't say for sure that there's a direct correlation. Yeah that's certainly a narrative. And and it's i i agree with you. I don't know if it's true or not. But i think some coaches thinking and with its coaches execute on that. That is the most important thing. Speaking of rookies. Jeff says the love for justin fields is just but switched to him from andy. Dalton actually improved chicago's pace of play with the run game likely playing considerable role as he adjusts. We didn't talk about the bears. Think they're allocates. And how do you think there would be different between fields. Dalton dalton probably have a better chance of running at a quicker pace right off the bat just because he's a veteran trust and right away on hard as long it's gonna take negatives trust. Feels that to that level or even the level of mitch trubisky who actually let this play with them pace on on occasion just to kind of find a rhythm which is still looking for probably But i guess typically like more running the question. I guess was about running running and so you know slow patiently. Alm know something's both arizona outta high play by at high run rate on select high Patient they lined but that that's not typical I guess it's it's hard to say. But i would probably just best guesses as level of faith feels. Networking develops sure yen. And i think you know reports from camp. We've talked to talk about trillions. Having talked as much about justin fields reports from camp on justin fields are good. I mean major arm town obviously wins in mobility. I think andy dalton his way like theater start week one. Jimmy garoppolo is but still expect fields in their early and i still liked taking fields. You can get him as the landside bills. You can get fields way later than you can get lance right now. Last question as legalize sports betting spreads across america pat. We're going to get more questions like this from early value. Nfl he says when a fast paced team plays a slow pace team. Who would you give the advantage to in that situation. Would you lean toward the under in that spot or the over. It's a good question. You do this article every week. We look at pace and sometimes a lotta times team. That wants to play fast because he wants to play slow. How do you figure out what's going to happen. Who's going to win. Out in those situations are the easiest. Forecast foggiest reasons. But i guess if one team is clearly dominant Dictate the pace. They're mostly going to control the game script. Control the ball obviously suffering. Those teams are maury will match But i think a good rule of thumb is it is to go with the faster team is more dominant. That has probably had scripts that they're going to get out to relieve while playing fast the other teams that are half the place asked to catch up and vice versa on. But i mean the these things it's usually easier to To successfully predict things that tales. You know that's rather straight schedule. A run pass ratio but off. That's a great answer. But i guess it really just depends on on these teams art and then kind of side with that shirt. Yeah and i you know thurman said i think the team that wins in pace is the team who is better. Typically obviously it's tough to predict individual. Nfl game. who's gonna win the game. But yeah i mean when you can tell. Hey you know. The vikings are very very good. Let's say the bengals a very very bad. Vikings appropriately impose their will make the game play slower. Be sure to check back. During the season has weekly pace write ups on the game. He thinks are interesting from a perspective will play fast. We'll play slow. 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Hour 4: 4/23/19

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Hour 4: 4/23/19

"The Paul finebaum show podcast has been brought to you by the Capital One sabre card earned four percent cash. Back on dining and entertainment two percent of grocery stores and one percent on all other purchases. Now when you go out you cash in what's in your wallet terms apply. Cried passion and patterns re of college football leaves here. The Paul finebaum show our four podcast. Welcome back. We have an hour to go in what a program this has been on a Tuesday. So glad you're with us. Greg starts off the final hour. Good afternoon. Greg. They gonna do call. Thank you taking my call. Thank you. You had some really good interviews there, especially the one with Scott Woodward. And it made me think about, you know, orange Ron I don't think he's under any impending danger. But as we know am Scott has high. 'sekt -tations for the team. And if you're going to achieve SEC, and or national championship first thing they have to do is be able to beat Bama at some point in in in in in in the new millennium. Yes. Yeah. So if it doesn't happen the next two or three years that's going to be the problem. Not that he's got nine and three or ten and two or eleven one records. But if you're not getting to the next step is going to be the issue that causes the downfall. And I don't think that LSU has enough money to pool JIMBO Fisher the way from am to come to LSU. He doesn't have the same deep connections. Even though he coached there with Nick saving that Woodward has. Yeah. You know? That's what people forget, you know, this whole JIMBO leaving which I which do not buy even though he doesn't have a buyout. At that price Bildt or not going to really keep you. But I mean, he's making he's got seventy five million dollars. And that that's right now. Can you imagine? What happens if he beats Alabama this year? Greg just for the sake of argument. Yeah. It's there in cloud nine and that higher has just been vindicated and often accounted with that that victory over Alabama, which has it happened. But that's a dangerous game for Alabama. And and you know, I I just think that's a nonstarter and one thing about Scott Woodward. I I know is that. That does happen. It's a long way down the road. He he's not. He just doesn't say. I mean, I know he's competitive, but that that that would go over rather poorly. If you ask me. Yeah. I I would agree. The other interview you had with the gentleman from that attended think he's press John's inner. Yeah, I thought that was interesting as well because you know, Commissioner Sankey post a lot of books on law on Twitter that he reads, and they'd have to deal with leadership and communication. And when he when senior Mr. Diener says that the thing that he was most spirited about was the leak of the change in the Georgia Auburn game in twenty twenty. That probably hit him because someone sidestep his leadership to bring to roll that out which has been a great moment for him as a Commissioner to showcase that change in the schedule for those two programs instead of letting the president leak it out and then confirms Greg to me. Differences make. I mean, you're the Commissioner the SEC, you can control certain things, you can't control everything even though you may try and that story got out, and it doesn't really change anything. I mean anyone who understands what we're talking about. Here is missing the story. The story isn't the Georgia in Auburn are moving the date. The story is that everyone else's moving games to odd. Predict by the time. We get that schedule. You are your mouth is going to drop from all the traditional games that have been moved around because you can't move one without having a domino effect or or a seating to other people's requests. Because you mentioned the iron bowl occurring in August or September. I don't think it will happen. But I think you're going to see a lot of traditional games moved off of where they are. I think the Alabama Tennessee game will shift. Oh, there's no question. It has to. And by the way, I will predict Greg by the I think this meeting in Destin, which is four weeks off is going to be very news worthy. I'm not saying anything, we'll be accomplished their per per some of these conversations. But I think you're going to see a lot of conversation about dramatic change down the road. I think I think I think this league right now has some very. Anxious athletic directors in terms of in terms of the status quo. Well, hey, Paul if he can get engage in conversation at all out of that that kind of meeting. Well, listen, you I just made a suggestion, Greg. I didn't promise a miracle. Well, we can always hope for change even if it's a glacial speed. Yeah. That's that's that's a tough. That's a tough event because it's fairly well locked down in terms of what what said, and what's not said. Well, some of those guys have probably attended communication security school that the navy has where leak in that kind of stuff and get you in trouble. Exactly. Hey, good to have you on Greg. Thank you. We were we looking for what we were looking forward to talking to Irv Smith junior today. And it was that. Benny Snell junior Irv Smith joining us. Both juniors. It's a junior day on the show, Irv. Thank you very much. I should have realized you were junior considering your dad accomplished thanks for being here. And congratulations on a great career at Alabama. Yes. I think you have. Well, listen, I see your name all over the draft boards as I'm sure you do as we're getting ready for Nashville. What are your thoughts? You know, I'm excited has been a long process going through calm on pro day training meeting with chains. You know, it's finally here of more days. And you know, I'll find out where I'm going. That'd be listening to projections are pretty high first round. And and it's interesting because when you I believe when you came out of school down in Louisiana. I mean, you were not you're not the guy that everybody tried to to sign. I'm really interested in your honesty from maybe someone that was overlooked too, a player now that nobody is overlooking. The most definitely I mean at first I had I was hurt my thought vaguer highschool. So I missed that season in my Jay out over the getting the office set basketball season. I got two lane local school in Miami offered me out to that. So after that, it just it just my whole thing blew up in. That's my receive offers like album LSU schools like that. But then towards the end of the recruitment process. Unless you a lot of people surprised that I wasn't going there. But it was really them that they had got committed already they they was high on. And I said they wanted they were like, we'll find a spot for you. If you know if we have a scholarship left, and is like don't even worry about it. I'm going out of them. Irv. You weren't the the first nor you will probably be the last Louisiana kid that that makes that decision. But I I don't think he regretted it did, you know, not at I'm wro Todd. Well, let's talk about your career alabam before we talk about what's coming up with your next career. Certainly a lot of great moments which stood out the most. Definitely went in Massachusetts ship myself. My, you know, something that is isn't a record books. Nobody can take it away. And you know, me and me and my teammates. Somebody's on chairs for the rest of our lives. Herve that was certainly the highlight in there, aren't there weren't many losses. Unfortunately, there there was at one at the end of this year. And and obviously the first year we're still in the games a long way off almost four months, but a lot of us who stood on the sidelines versus played in the game are still scratching our head with with a couple of months in the review mirror. Any any any better guesses on what happened that night in in San Jose? I mean, hopefully, you know, they they they thought they played. I mean, they honestly played their best game that I wished game. So, you know, some I wish we could take back, and I know I've oh team take it back. But I mean, it's behind us. And I know I know the void next year. They're going to be ready to to to win it off. But they had a long way. But you know, it's it's the ended like that. But I mean, we had a great season. So it's the positive of. Yeah. I was talking. I was trying to explain to someone or that. You know, fourteen no going into the final game somehow only at Alabama. Can that seem like the end of the world? But that's just a standard. Isn't it? The really is. I mean, we're not okay with losing the necessarily until we played a win the championship. And that and you know, so we work off season off season for and we started a you saw what it was like coming off the loss against Clemson and Tampa. And and and you have of the team that won it the next year. I'm interested in before we turned the page of the NFL what's that motivation like for the players on the on the upcoming team to undo that last game and win it again. Yeah. I mean, it's definitely just you always wanna be hungry, but it's just an extra extra hunger. You know, going off of a law in such a big game. Right. It's you know, and you have to think about that for the whole like six months, you know, seven is a long time to think about that. And isn't the back your head? So you know, it just makes you more hungry in the off season. And then you just wanna make every opponent pain. Something tells me that will happen, Irv. Let's talk about what's happened since then for you. I know you're getting ready for Thursday night. You're projected to go very high, especially among the top tight ends in the country. What's what are you hearing from everyone? And I mean, everyone I mean, no most of the of the people that did a mock drafts mostly a see in Tennessee the raiders Green Bay the patriot. So really those four I feel pretty hard. But I mean, I met with twenty four teams of the call Martin of. I mean, that's all teams as interested in me. So I mean, whatever happens, I don't I don't know how it's always gonna play out. But I mean, I know whatever team that gets me I'm gonna give them all I know you're prepared for it coming from a football family. How does that help a little bit knowing, you know, with the experience that your father had and and and having that passed along to you? I mean, it's definitely hopefully, you know, my dad he went through this whole process, and he played you know, to top legit program, then play eight years and a league. So I mean, he's gone through it. And he's helped me a lot of this process. Just telling me that things to do what not to do. But I mean, he's honestly last me do my own thing. And in love me do my own ways. But at the end of that, he's always going to look out for me. And let me know what I need to do. And what not to you said you met with twenty four teams at the NFL. Combine I I mean, how crazy is that the the questions? I'm sure are literally charts, man. Yeah. It was it was, you know, fifteen minutes each team some like two days, I have some meetings from six thirty to ten thirty at night, straight bucks, four hours. I mean as long as you know, they they definitely they definitely get a hoodie brain. But I mean, I felt like I thought he did a great job with it. And you know, I mean cited to see what happens or what are your plans Thursday night? I'm actually doing some my family, my anti we're gonna get together. And there's probably about fifty sixty people wash it. She's eat some good food and just and just have a good time. Yeah. Somebody tells me the food will be worth showing up for a. Yeah. Definitely we sh-. We end the world. But you know. Well, I wish I was there it listen. We'll be watching very closely. I I have a feeling it's going to be a great night for you. And especially your family best wishes to thank you so much. I miss junior. It'll be done in New Orleans. And I have a feeling he'll hear his name by the end of the about the end of the first round. We'll take a break. More to come through and listening to Paul finebaum show podcast. Welcome back. Really glad you're here. It's going good one. And certainly let's try to catch up on phone calls. And if you can if you want we would encourage you give us a call now. Eight five five to four to seven to eight five squirrel is up next hour. Girl, I'm doing great. And thank you for taking my call L incident interview. Scott woodward. I didn't hear it earlier in the day. I like it when she said he's our coach until he's not our coke. Yeah. He's our coaching toys not. That's how we all serve. I guess it is that'd be put it out there. But but now, you you got a little chip in your voice today. What what's different? Well, you know, you gotta do it, man. Like the past couple of months when you've been at your dark is depth with depression. And and it was obvious to all of us that listening watching and listening Gregor basis that you know, you were going to rep relationship period there. But I kept encouraging you that your lapdog is gonna come back and boom periods you remember you remember that song was it late sixties early seventies. My boyfriend's back. Your boyfriend is back, and it was interesting called today. And I like I like, wait. I liked the way Jim goes after the heavy hitters like Matt from San Antonio. Well, you know, you missed did you hear the we that call back in? Yes. Yeah. Heard massive spunk. Well, you know, like I said, you know, we hadn't heard from Jim's since he hits the big seventy four back in early February. But the Bill do voice sounded strong. He sounded healthy. But he's he was no match for Matt today. Matt to to the to the to the last round, man. I mean lucky there's a commercial map with sixty KOMO. I believe that Marshall frady. Well, I'm sure some would dispute that, but there's wouldn't know I'm glad the old back. I really you and him yell yell need each other. You really do and yellow like the great teams and show business like Jerry Lewis Dean Martin, you know, sunny and share Jim in fall, rowing lorden. Yeah, rolling go. So. So I'm glad deal, dude. Back and listen it had been a long time and the show was suffering. We were we were with days of being cancelled. Yeah. That bad. But but today, I guess we got to work yesterday that if the show's ratings don't pre in improve by the end of the week. It's I an oral. Yeah. And none of us. I heard you name it, some callers, you know, when you just and none of us think we're propping to show up the once you name, we just never quit. You know? We we never called in to announced they were quitting best. The only thing we all have in common. So, but no, I'm glad spanked and thanks for taking my call a little. Thank you very much. Yeah. Jim returns in the show for those wondering the reference there, and it was good to have him back. Mike is up next in Georgia. Mike. Hey, Paul hope you're doing good today. All good. Thank you. Great. I didn't want to respond to that. Earlier. Caller from Archie bunker talking about. Averages women's softball in particular. I think one of the greatest services that the SEC network. Does your show does is promotion of other sports than football? I mean football king is why watch your show. That's why I'm here. So many people do at the top of the list, but there are other things in life, and you know, to watch some of these softball games. I mean, they're just the best competition you could ever ask for and I'm just glad to provide that service. Yeah. I mean, the context of what he said. Was was entered alluvia in. And it's okay. I mean, this this is a network that's here to to disseminate games from every every conference school, both men and women. And that's that's the foundation that it was built on. We, you know. And if it wasn't for the network, and there was I would've never watched ladies gymnastic meat, but if you really wanna watch just pure athleticism at its best. I don't think you can touch what these ladies do on that balance beam. They're doing. I had I was doing a shoot the other day. I realize I'm kind of out of the age group, but with a wrestler, and he picked me up and helped me over his head. I I can still barely walk. Let alone let alone hit them at flip over and get right back up again. But that's. It's an it's incredibly athletic, and by the way, I think ten of the thirteen SEC women's schools that compete one does not a ranked ranked in the top twenty. I mean, this is these are amazing athletes. I agree. And I I don't mind the guy complaining, but but if you're going to complain you'd better be prepared for the for the blowback will, absolutely. And there should be some blowback. I mean again football is king. We know football pays for everything. But you know, there's more than life, Dan, just football. And it's just wonderful that you know, you expose us to more of it. Just. Great to have you on. Thanks, mike. Good to hear from you. Let's head to Maryland up next in Florida. Hello marilyn. Paul otheir long time since I talk to you. You're looking good. And I linked today. Love it. I was just curious about. I haven't heard today. I know Nick head Nick Sabin has thirty. And I had not heard how he's doing. Could you talk to me about that? Joe listen to you can imagine. There's not a lot of information to ascertain. The only comment has that we've heard from came from wild Cain yesterday who is the team orthopedic surgeon, and obviously a renowned surgeon in Birmingham. He should should've statement saying he went better than expected didn't really give a timetable other than to say that coach saving would probably be up sooner rather than later. So whatever that means, I don't know. But I think he's still in the hospital that would be my best. Guess I think we would know if he was out. I think we're having trouble communicate with Maryland. But but that's that's to be expected. I mean when you have a celebrity, especially one who's the biggest celebrity in the state at a hospital. There's the security is going to be pretty tight. I'm fairly familiar with where he is. And you're not going to get much information out of there. And but I'm sure when he gets out we'll hear from him. And but the good news is it went. Well, I mean, you expect it to go. Well, but. You want to hear that? Nevertheless, we'll take a break mortar. Mortem your calls at eight five two four to seventy eight five we are back with more listening to the Paul finebaum shield podcast. We welcome back to you minutes to go on the program and Mitch is in Seattle, and you're next. Hey, mitch. Hey, paul. I called in a couple of questions. One is how long does though is you keep Davor and round if they can't be Alabama. And then to is how long do they keep in order honor out if they can't beat out with let's give it two years this year next year? How long you to those random is Rennes interesting. Remember Arango was wooed by JIMBO Fisher. But LSU found a way to pay him to keep him. And now, of course, the guy from the other program is is is ultimately his boss. I think always runs okay for now. But I mean, he can continue this programs of progress. I don't think Alabama game will necessarily cost them people. Just don't expect to be Alabama anymore. It's not like it was back in two thousand and eleven and twelve when when you went LSU fans expected to win every other other game. But at some point that that becomes an issue. You just can't lose to the same team every year and expect to have credibility especially in. Like LSU? Remember, the most important things. Scott Woodward said today, we expected when championships and national championships you have to go through Alabama to do both. I'd agree with that. Well, how long can can you keep having this extreme level of talent come out of LSU before there's some type of change made internal the nationalist. Ultimately, it takes it takes a toll. But don't forget. I mean or is your on. This is only his what second full season. So, you know, he's you know, I it's on him. Now, it's his program, but ultimately in and he's got to keep doing what he's doing. And I think he's he's okay. But you're never safe at a program like that. If you have a bad year CB is in Tuscaloosa, you're next up. Hey CB. But how you doing today? They are great. Thank you. Good. I just keep hearing a lot of kickback from LSU meet in and stuff about this kid from mountain brook this basketball player. I mean, they act like a guide him or something. But it's been a big deal. This out. Obama coach get him. He'd be hitting the right way we need to play her bed. Yeah. Listen, I I I heard that today too. I know he put off is now segment, but I would be pretty surprised if he ends up in Baton Rouge, wouldn't you? Yes, sir show. Hope you don't. But what about Larry something else? Let go, and you gotta go. Larry, she'll is he are does he call anymore. What I haven't heard from him in a while. But I'm sure Larry we'll we'll be back. We hope you will Cameron is in Georgia, and you are next up. Hey cameron. Hey doing I give you a call last week you doing okay today. I am doing great. Hope you are. All right. Hey, listen. You know, I I have to MIT ala. Bama did get Ferdie manhandled there in the NASA championship game. But you know, if you really look hard at it to attack of a low he wasn't that is he wasn't one hundred percent and. Wa wa I mean, he wasn't hundred. He looked pretty good against Oklahoma. He did. But you know, you could look you can see he was saving his ankle stop, well it here. But I mean, I don't think you can listen there's there's blame to go around across the board. I mean Clinton Williams who who was the best defensive player in college football last year did not show up in that game. Either. Everything that could go wrong did go wrong. We had Irv Smith junior on earlier and he put it succinctly incorrectly. He said they played their best game of the year. We played our worst combination was a disaster. And I can agree with that. But if you go back look at Clemson schedule Likud they play. You don't into me. Put Clemson in the SEC west. I don't think they'd stand chance even. Hold on a second. Don't force me to defend Clemson. Okay. You don't think I listen. You don't think they'd stay into chance? No who would. Would be. I mean, you gotta play LSU over now. Yeah. So let's take Clemson the last three years. And I think last year's team would have lost a little bit more because they were not quite a stout. But this year, we're we're who was going to beat them other than maybe Alabama, Tuscaloosa, right? I hear you I'm in. But look at look at her schedule. I mean this is laughable, although but the day they they did go to college station last year. I mean, I mean that that game should not have been as close as it was this year. The game is until I is in is in Clemson that shouldn't be as hard. But I mean, but I I don't think at this point. With two national championships and two wins over Alabama and a win over Ohio State that that we can start blaming the ACC for what Clemson has done. I mean, they think Winston. Winston has done a wonderful job. I'm just saying. This camera cameras year. They have the best program in the country right now, they do they do they have the best coaching. I mean top to bottom. They have the best coaching staff in America. I mean, I don't think they're I don't think Alabama staff compares to Clemson. And I I can agree with that. But you know, I mean with the the success that Alabama's everybody snatching their coaches away they want and they're like, well, I mean, I I agree with you. But you know, that's what Nick Sabin has to figure out a way to. I mean, he he replaced Kirby smart with Jeremy Pruitt that was good. He he did not he did not adequately replace Jeremy Pruitt, and I think you saw the result of that last year when it really mattered. Has he done it? This year is a good coach. Yeah. He's really good. Is he Jeremy Pruitt, no is a curb smart, no chance. Where we're done. Unfortunately, a lot of good conversation today. We'll do it again tomorrow. Thank you for listening to the Paul finebaum show podcast. The Paul finebaum show airs weekdays on the SEC network beginning at three eastern.

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NFL Draft TE's and RB's Recap with Tyler Williams

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NFL Draft TE's and RB's Recap with Tyler Williams

"What is up guys welcome into fancy in sports podcast? This is your host vague are today. I'm proved to be joined by Tyler Williams. He's ahead N._F._l.. Writer for the Turf Sports Network for over eight months huge jags Fan and his the owner of his own podcast called sixty minutes suspension attention welcome tyler what's up how you doing good. Thanks for having me. I'm really happy to be here. Appreciate a everything. I really love your show that you got going on here. Sure thank you like I love yours too. I've listened like sixty minutes. Suspension is on a podcast platform. If you guys in no call amplify bullfight network end like it just really gets a check that out all have links in the description below so tyler. Let's get into it so <hes> do you have have any winners and losers from the draft. Yeah I do have a I do have some winners and losers. I'll go ahead and start with the losers. My first number one overall loser is the Houston Texans not that they really didn't try to do what they wanted to do but I feel like they kind of panicked a bit in on that ultimately just reached a bit for the first guy maybe even their second guy <hes> another they went for Titus Howard and that really just kind of after Philadelphia traded up and picked under Dillard at twenty two. I think it left Houston in limbo and they kind of panicked on there's plenty of players on the board that I felt much more suitable in. I feel like you as well but on Jehovah's Same Way Yeah Us oh I was. I was looking at the Texans draft him when I saw them draft a titus Howard alignment others just like wait. Why are they doing this because I saw that cody thirty four was on the board Juwan dealer who is a travesty that he felt to the second round like all these guys were on the board in the Texans selected ties Howard now? I know it's a major need need for them but now I just really didn't like the PIC absolutely I agree. I agree and that that's all John Taylor was complete travesty but fortunate for some teams may hit on a little bit the other team. I'd really thought that was a loser. I would probably have to say the Tampa Bay buccaneers in years. They just really didn't impress me. <hes> let me I can't really you even say that they're going to be the first guy was good. The first guy would I like Bush. I think he is a is a pretty good guy but after it was really nobody's to me so what do you think about the extra I mean I felt as if the buck strath and like just to go off of the first round it was Devon White <hes> demolition to the sears no probably throwing those to confuse. I mean both of then like same. First Name. Doug plays imposition universally the number one into the draft is easy get mixed up but I thought that the bugs were like. I didn't think that they had a solid draft. I think like they address their need in the first round but after that like I felt they had a very pedestrian to below average average draft in there <hes> following subsequent draft picks so yeah I completely agree that they're loser but <hes> I'd say that there may be a a couple more like bigger losers in the draft. So how how do you think about the giants because I had them as a massive loser in this draft massive loser I I completely agree you know in the thing is it really comes down to there. I felt bad for the for the giants to begin in with because of their draft positions at least in the first round I felt like at all of the positions they wanted their guy wasn't there however when when the draft actually broke down the guy that we all thought would be there was there but the guy that they ended up taking was the guy that nobody thought aw which was Daniel Jones and we'll have like an inkling that maybe the giants like Daniel Jones but taking them at six. I mean that that is that Ah that's an insult to Duane Haskins the I'm sure we also the twitter reaction when he just shook his head and laughed as he saw the giants draft day John's but then I mean he's he he he has that tutelage under under David Sutcliffe but you can only go for you so far and you can't. It's hard. It's GonNa be hard to recreate Eli Manning Manning and I I really feel like that's where they're striving for. nealon manning peyton manning type situation and then they went with Dexter Lawrence which you know wanted to five power ranges on that Clemson D. Line. I really am impressed with the defensive line but you know when there's so many stars you gotta wonder who is actually actually the good guy or or who's taking advantage of a situation and and to be truthful with their with their <hes> <hes> pick in the third over the number thirty s pick I think they actually you know hit a home run with the Andre Baker I think he's I think he's pretty good. So what did you think about their draft other than I mean I thought it was a fail you know but they the at least got the baker but I mean I I could see their draft carrying out to be like the browns draft of a couple of years ago so with the giants like and I thought that having Daniel Jones at like the six pig like I get when they go get your guide because like if you have a quarterback in mind that is a draft him at six. Don't drive to met seventeen because if you skew out like all the production and if you believe that Daniel Jones will be better than Dwayne haskins better than drew lock like I'd say draft him at six just because like the quarterback is so much more valuable that missing on your guy is just a even bigger fail but odd definitely say that it was a reach in like although although I don't fault them as much as some people for taking that like I just said that their talent scouting department needs to be like looked at because I'm a fan of go get your guy but if your guy's wrong and if you like just went against what everyone else was saying and I think they'll be wrong and I think Dwayne Haskins is a much better back than Daniel Johns. I think that drew lock has a massive amount of upside over Daniel Johns but I think they just Nia look in the mirror and see did our pads scouting do a good job going to number seven germ like yeah going to number seventeen like with Dexter for Lawrence. I think it was it was a reach since as you mentioned like the Power Rangers on that Clemson D. Line will probably the Best D. Line in all of college football. The ball like the thing is with that you don't know who's having the massive impact and we'll touch on Cleveland Farrell a bit later but thousand also one of my like things is with him. I didn't know if that like since you have so many power players on that line you have three dropped it drafted in the top seventeen. I didn't know how to differentiate between them. The scouting just becomes even much harder by think definitely thirty driving De'andre Bacon Baker who I had as the number one one quarterback cornerback in this class like I think I think that was a great pick but outside of the Andre Baker I think everyone else for the giants like especially in the the first round was not warranted by their position and I definitely think they were losers. From this draft yeah I agree eh <unk> kind of you know fell off on the rest of their picks but <hes> the the Andre Baker hopefully he turns out but but I really you know the raiders in the end the giants I really can see them. Having that Cleveland Browns type three first round picks in all all of them kind of be bus. You know what I'm saying. I I just wasn't impressed. I mean also think the raiders could hit a home run. I I think the raiders have more potential than the than the giants as far as draft turn out. <hes> and I do agree with you when you say you know you're a fan of go. Get Your Guy Eh but then that was this. This was just reach. You know I would like them at seventeen if they picked him at seventeen I would be a fan and if they got Josh Allen Plus Daniel Jones. This draft is a whole different story. You know yeah I get that but they didn't they big deal. Don't Doc Dexter Laurence or Lawrence as we've talked a lot about like the losers in this draft unlike just add I don. I think that the raiders maybe another loser like I think that they could have gone. Josh Jacobs on the third of their picks and like I unclean Farrell is reached which will touch on later but I just wanted to add them in as a potential loser. So what about your winners from this draft <hes> the winners from my draft I gotta start off with a hometown team on a big jags fan so I really you know when I did my Grad grades on the the other day I had the <unk> the jags eight minus and the only reason I gave them a minus is because they missed. They didn't draft a safety. I don't think I think and I say to me is a big need for this team this year because we had Ronnie Harrison last year <hes> feeling as a rookie he just let go of a Shawn Gibson in free agency so safety to me was a significant significant thing to address this year and it just didn't happen. They missed runny Harrison or they missed. Excuse me on Deontay Thompson the Alabama safety by one pick and if they would have got him I think jags would've had eight-plus home on draft by as it is. They nailed it with <hes> with Josh Allen. That was a fortunate get when he fell to them in boiling. I don't think anybody really predicted that. I think they a lot of people have Josh Allen going the three and he ended up going seven in that was fortunate for the Jags it turn around and go second round in grabbed their guy on that most people had projected and clearly the jags did want because traded up from thirty eight to thirty fifth to get him the next year one Taylor so <hes> they got the guy <hes> traded a little bit to get them. I think they exchanged like late. Six round pigs in may be one other pig not clear on the details but of the trade trade but they got the guy and then they got a small school guy <hes> who is a brother of Quincy of Quinton Williams the top <hes> four pick. Did he go to the jets yet <hes> they got his brother who actually went to Murray state but if you watch his highlight tape you will be impressed it is it is it's fast. It's it's hard hitting. It's dangerous. It is against smaller competition but he has a gene pool with Quinton Williams already. I mean that's pretty impressive so let's see how that turns out on the N._F._l.'s moving faster quicker linebacker so on that'll be good and then we got at Oliver that was great. Excuse me Josh Oliver and he's tight end <hes> from San Jose state I believe and he <hes> he's is a pass. Catching Cardin <unk> fold needs. That's what the Jags also needed at a tight end. They didn't address it in free agency so you what's your what's your first winner or would you think about the jags. I thought that the JAGS had a great draft like getting Josh Allen at seven. I had a mock to the fourth pick to the raiders because I thought it was a pretty good fit. In the raiders scheming I like no unpredicted Glynn Farrell actually like on fancy pros like they ended up predicting that to the raiders massive props to them. I answering anyone brought that take like that far up in have cleaned feral to the fourth bic but it yet props to them for figuring that out but I definitely thought Josh Allen Number four was whereas GonNa be but jags getting a met seven is a great hall <unk> Josh Over. We talk about him later. I think that he has like sleeper. Potential out think people are like talking enough about him with Austin Celerion Brian Jenkins on the Patriots now. I think that Josh <unk> Josh Oliver has a chance to become a something really good and John Taylor like it's. It's a travesty. He felt that far. I had mocked in my top sixteen. I actually had mocked to the jags before this. I thought that the jags would take a small reach on him because I thought they wouldn't want to take at all over. I like I just didn't see the fit there. The I thought they'd Actually Tae Joon Taylor in the first round so RBM <unk> second round for him not having to give up much to move up a couple of picks like I thought that they hit that pick as a home run they got Josh Allen Homerun and I agree that <hes> the safety is an issue but I think that safety's now becoming one of those positions fans are aren't valued as heavily by the N._F._l.. Franchises so I think that the JAGS had like gray draft and I think that it's good because <music> seeing them <hes> after last season like them having that down year the law groom was in shambles and you had the departure many players like me League Jackson getting that town back in starting fresh for another year with the competent quarterback in Nick foles obviously he isn't Tom Brady but like he he's he's a starter he's starting quality quarterback and that is something that cannot be said for Blake Bortles or cody Kessler like whenever you get bench for Cody Kessler Ida. You should be starting so I I can't argue with that bit a you. You are talking to someone who did feel a little bit. Sorry for Blake into the situation <hes> but I do agree that if you ever get benched for Cody Cody Cody Kessler than you are not a starting quarterback so I cannot argue with that sentiment so how about one more winner over here since like as in that we should move on into your surprises and then get into the Ryan Bax tides absolutely there's a couple of them that there's a couple of winners. I really liked but I <hes> let's go ahead and talk about the Broncos I I was really impressed with what they did. <hes> they scored no <hes> no no fan however you pronounce it. I'm not sure how he prefers it. They drafted him number twenty overall within the first round. I thought that was a score man. I really think this guy both tight ends at a at Iowa <unk> pipeline have at Iowa there is impressive. Obviously we'll talk about this a little bit <hes> but he is an epic title Investigated Pass Catching in <hes> just a great receiver as good could do a little bit more blocking could do a little bit more bugging but you know he just he's GonNa be dynamic anemic think they went and got dot reisner and this was this guy's just a Mahler. I guy like him. I think it was a score. They're going to win the second round. Some people had a mocked up into the first round on. I think he has first round talent. <hes> I just think Oh line was deep this year on one of those positions nations that was deep so are they still ground. They got their guy right in front of this guy who a lot of people a lot of drafts had had a the the broncos trading up to get this guy turns out. They just had to wait three more draft. Picks <unk> turns out they just had the draft to more people ahead of them mm-hmm but that's drew lock grabbed him in. I think that's a quarterback of the future. I think that's what the broncos planned to do. I think they couldn't not get him with their once. They realized they had a situation deal bad though I feel like they should have took him over the offense lineman verse but <hes> but yeah I think the Broncos had a good draft doc. I think they really pulled out some tricks completely like when I saw broncos get no fan as I was thinking the Dow's perfect perfect fit because Joe flacco like going back to Baltimore he hoy's always utilize tight ends like sedans were more important than his receivers receivers at in Baltimore more than pass catching running backs too like back to the Times where he had great tight ends a key he would need that support in place in the fact that they got no offense. Probably the best pure pass catching tight end in this draft. I think is just a perfect match with <hes> with Joe flacco go and getting a drew lock like I thought drew lock would go first round He does have some busts like he has some bus potential but I think that he definitely has a chance to become something special in this league and it's been kind of the trend of John Elway like John Elway if you look at all of his previous drafts where he's drafted quarterbacks like if you see the quarterbacks as had had like drafted on they're all really tall. They're all really strong and that's basically drew lock a tall strong or back. We knew he wouldn't go even government. was there like obviously he wouldn't have been but I think that they were taken lock over Murray just because L._A.. For some reason season he loves his tall his strong or back and he can't get away from that so I think log was just a great fit in that spot. Maybe that explains explains why he drafted Paxton Lynch Point Paxton Lynch one of the bigger core bag Boston N._F._l.. History like thank you demarcus Russell but he's pretty close. Do you know what's going on with him is he is he out of the League. You feel like he might have had occurred about getting a tryout else somewhere but what in the world happened to him you know so after he I believe he got cut from the broncos or something summon. He's just been looking for jobs like he'll take anything he could get. He'll take afford string drug yield. Take a practice squad jive at this he he really in probably taken again like <hes> like a job in a different football league so like maybe next year X.. Thousands like lastly folded. Maybe take job. Stop there if he can't get another opportunity but Paxton Lynch. He's Kinda just dropped off the radar completely. Let's not waste any more time on vaccination Mussa yeah easy. He's had enough said for his entire career on the podcast. Let's go surprises like we already touched law on Daniel Johns and like clean Farrell John Taylor and like drew lock but however we talked about decay medcalf because just time constraints. It's like move past those guys in decay metcalf is saw as like get the biggest potential of anyone yet going second round as a very late depicted the seahawks. So what do you think about the entire situation in like <hes>. Where did you have a mock than like? What grade did you give him? Honestly honestly I hadn't mocked <unk> around fifteen to the redskins where hashing was taken <hes> and I I really it was more so hype than anything I do. I I understand the aw you know. I just think after his amazing combine it was just you know people just assume that he was gonNA be a first round pick but he he he to me he. He didn't put that he didn't put the the numbers number's up in college that you know A._J.. Brown did his his team mate <hes> he didn't he was often injured. You know or otherwise not available onto me. I didn't have ungraded that high but I wrote the hype train and I was like well. It just seemed like there's a lot of hype with this. Guy Seems like people are really following so I had a market fifteen but when he surprised me that he was following but it also didn't surprise me you know I honestly thought he would go second round but but I didn't. I didn't realize it would fall to the last big <unk> once once he got there. I kind of thought maybe might go. You know to the third day so it was surprising thing. It was surprising because the hype was so I was really big for him. There was so many jokes in so many means about this guy. I thought I thought that was raised with <unk> draft stock a little bit yeah I mean like just look at Deacon Metcalf and like we discussed him on the last episodes of you guys haven't checked out please is do we had Ryan Frank Talking Sports with Ryan on rediscussed that is our last podcast before this but Deka metcalf going four three three at the combine online at his stature benching twenty-seven through their things about him being a four percent body fat which is like like bought like the bodybuilder builder competition as Terry Crews Usque so being that like ribbing that physical specimen he had so much upside so much either in the draft like if you done rented there is me about <hes> him gang so much more attention than INC Yo hairy even though they bench same out but it is Kinda like that for like the entire hype train around decay metcalf. Everyone thought that he would go <hes> either in the first round or very early the second than just falling to the seahawks at the talent of the second round like that to me was kind in saying I bought I thought he was the second round talent <hes> end. I grade him as a mid late second rounder but like after seeing combine after seeing how that could would translate into like a massive upside like Chris Johnson type upside like megatonne. I thought that would be a something that teams will go after obviously busy he doesn't have. He doesn't have a floor basically like he's a deep threat in bats. He doesn't have a jody history control was terrible herbal but if he can improve on that like if he could get some someone's like route running in routes that aren't just go in a straight line than he could be. One WanNa be best receivers in the draft and it could be the decay metcalf not the car a draft not the Nick Bosa draft. It could be the D._J.. <unk> Gay Mecca draft would be insane. Is that <hes> let's get into the fancy breakdown of tight end so <hes> so I the first site drafted rafted off the board was T._J.. Hopkinson out of Iowa to the lion so here's the number eight overall pick so what do you think about him in terms of like like his abilities what he showed on tape and like what do you think he could improve on. I think honestly I think he's one of the more complete it tight end prospects <unk> in a few years <hes> I think it's GonNa be good for him. In especially the lions even more so <hes> <hes> for matchy Stafford for some reason. I don't know why Mandy Stafford and Eric Hebron didn't click but I think this is going to be a match made in heaven for the two on a he. He was a number eight overall pick from Iowa. There's a big pipeline coming from Iowa. <unk> <unk> of tight ends talking about George Kimble. Obviously we know doubts Clark went there. <hes> see Dave fedorowicz Scott Chandler. That's just to name a few but that's just over the last couple of years. Iowa has just really focusing on tight ends. I don't know what they do out there but they're like tight end country but he's he's tall good intangibles. He's got he's six. Five two hundred and fifty pounds really can't ask for any kind of other signs in a tight end the guy that can go out there and jump with the best kind of box people out and I'll and stuff like that I mean it's a good good spot for him with the with with the Lions I think he just landed well. <hes> I think yeah I I really don't really see much. I I think you can book up a little bit. <hes> in maybe just finish out some some blocking blocking techniques but other than that I mean the guy is pretty pretty much. Your your prototypical like Titan Em. You know it's funny because his tiny in class I think is so you know it's like maybe three deep in then. There's a big drop off. Not that in two of them went to the same school so it is just funny. I hadn't compared his player. Compass Travis Kelsey which is obviously we've heard of traffic Chelsea. I don't know if he can dance like him but let's hope he can run and get open and just be available <hes> for Matthew Stafford much like Travis County Kelsey as for Patrick Mahomes yeah now I I completely agree like T._J.. Hodkinson interesting note about him is that like at the very star of the the draft like season like at the very start of like the end of the season you had no offense and Earth Smith junior as like bid more are high but then when people start digging into T.j Hawkins state they found that he really does like everything well like his route running is solid. He has great intangibles could blocker like like he. He's just a very prototypical tight end one who could be like very good for both fancy in real life for years succumb unlike the Travis cousy comp. Obviously it's a like upside com but I really think that he has the ability to get there so let's go to his team mate <hes> from Iowa Noah and he went to the Denver Broncos number twenty pick. We already talked a bit about him but yes. What do you think about his abilities? Yeah I mean he's a he's an elite pass catcher. That's for sure <hes> he is just a very athletic person he has. He's try for athletes. Obviously we know is his forty time at the combine was extremely fast for tight end so you know his athlet a he played track basketball football. This is is interesting but the touchdown rate is one in four catches at Iowa that is pretty interesting in that's pretty cool to see on. I know the ball was probably spread around between him <hes> in Hopkinson often but that's just pretty interesting. He lands with the broncos broncos definitely need a tight end. I can't think of once Shannon Shannon Sharpe since you know since since they've had a decent tight end <hes> when you look at when you look at Noah fan though some of his cons John's east got to I think he's got to build some leg muscle he might be used more so in the slot in nyc spatial all blocking but <hes> yeah. I have a little bit of trouble catching winners some contact. He's got that lean frame that I kind of liken them to. What's the The New York tight end of an ingram yeah? I kinda liked him a little bit as well George kibble those are Kinda player for the affair and I think those kind of match up with what is sinking too because like George biddle like people don't look at him him for his blocking people look at him for like all the pass catching abilities that he's been able to do as he's come on this year and yeah that touchdown rate is absolutely absolutely absurd like twenty five percent of the time he would catch a touchdown and like when when he got like catches in that's absolutely insane in the Iowa offense like <unk> Joe flacco loves his tight ends like he he has tapped islands and I think that this will make no offense it like that True Dynasty first tight end off the board for me. I know that T._J.. Hodkinson like people like him a lot too because like they have have they have can golden. They also Marvin Jones junior but he will be the starting tight end in that case talking about D._J.. Hopkinson by I just think that four Hopkinson like you had eric Iran and a Matthew Stafford and Eric Brown wasn't a touchdown scoring threat he was an average tight hi Dan in the lions offense and now we're seeing that he had so much more potential that wasn't exploited at the Lions Organization at now on the Colty thriving so I think that although T._J.. Hodkinson will be a great player will benefit that team M. at you Stafford. I think that his fancy upside is bit cap cap occurs of that and also because he's <hes> known a lot more for his blocking although he is a great pass catchers while by thank that no fan is he's just he's just a pure pass catcher athletic four five forty meter dash and he has absurd catch radius so I think that he will be the one of the first tied undrafted in infancy and like that's how I haven't ranked haven't ranked as my number one dynasty tight end so so have I we <unk> Yeah God. I'm sorry I was just saying that's interesting you. Have you have him over Hopkinson. I'm actually that's how most people viewed the tight end situation. During <unk> Hopkinson End <hes> <unk> fan is fan was actually the more athletic projected to be better veteran like you were saying this year. Just people dug into the tape of Hopkinson. Really you know saw what a talent he was but it's interesting that you have him <hes> number one dollars supremacy. I I see as both ways for sure so I was thinking next talk about your Smith Junior and Irv Smith junior he I went to the Vikings second round pick out of Alabama and like he had a lot of differing opinions because of this blocking because of his pass catching edging like people are a bit split on him us a what do you think about him and do you think that it's a good fit in the vikings offense. I definitely think it's a good fit in the vikings offense. <hes> Kyle Rudolph has honestly never really lived up to all the other potential on hype that I heard about Kyle Rudolph on news drafted. I'm pretty sure he was a first round pick. If I remember correctly <hes> but I just it just never seemed to click. He was often injured and whatnot I hope ERC Smith can step in there but to me art. Smith is a little bit of a raw talent meaning like he's kind of like fresh to the game in that sometimes sometimes shows up in his blocking <hes> but he really has good genes <hes> I know his father I believe was n._F._l.. Tied in <hes> and and I think he was drafted by the saints. If I if I recall correctly but <hes> but yeah I think he's I think he's a fairly a really talented players. Got A lot of he's got a good skill set. He has the chance to start early. There would call Rudolph obviously sleet cut. I don't think they're going to kind of keep them around. Especially after drafting aerosmith in the early rounds you drop those early mount players to be potentially starters and and and additions to your team quickly like immediate immediate additions <hes> so yeah I mean he doesn't need to bulk up a little bit. You can see it on on <hes> he might end up in the slot a Kayak crashing down on the end on in blocking situations more so than lining up with his hand down but <hes> you could definitely use that bulk up for blocking the ever wants to get his hand on the ground and try to face up a a clay alias Campbell type layer or you know someone you know. Maybe you know one of those times where they play Aaron Donald and he's on the outside that would be mismatch match for sure <hes> yeah I but other than that I mean I have a player have a couple of players on on like O._J.. Howard that was just drafted Alabama on and then I think also kind of like them to Ben Watson a big place for the saints at the moment correct Eric Yeah so when I was actually a scouting or Smith junior the thing that showed so broadly to me is that his route the tree is very like extensive by the issue is that his route running has some holes in like the difference between the twos who is that really tree is like the amount of routes that you know in you can run so like? Can you on slants. Can you're on curls. Can you go routes. Can you on post like that sort of thing but route running is like how you execute those routes and when I watch urged Smith junior like quarterbacks were able to stay with him because because of his rounded roots wouldn't like I played football bit <hes> and when I was like always running I try to make sharp cuts into my route because that's that's the best way to really shake off a defender but since his routes are a bit rounded it allows the cornerback some extra time and it's a lot easier like figure out that here Smith junior is going to be outlet cut but I think that <hes> he's a very good talent. Key is a bit raw but he can get like a lot better. He has great opportunity in that Viking offense so let's move onto cleo Got Those quick. <unk> quick twitch like type movements are very good hand. Eye Coordination speed and quickness is like some part of his game. That's what he's about so he can get up. You could leave <hes>. He's a pretty tall duty six five two hundred two hundred and fifty two pounds but that it's a real lean to fifty two so when you look at him you're almost like Oh man that guy's definitely a basketball player <hes> but he can get up and he can own the mall in the air so so <hes> you know the Houston Texans situation at at a at tight end tends to be a little bit <hes> Skim <hes> not much there to that. I can't even remember I. I don't even know if I can pin their their starting tight end right now. That might be my fault but I can't think of it at at the moment but speaks upside for <hes> for warring <hes> so yeah I would say has pretty high potential. <hes> blocking might be a a little bit of a struggle for him as I talked. It's a six five hundred fifty two pound frame so it's a little a little bit thin but <hes> I'm sure I'm sure the figure out some techniques Lisa blocking into car route off a little bit as a player so yeah yeah and like I agree with everything everything he said like <unk> I kept saying Khalil Cahuenga warring like I think that like he is very raw but that abutted profile comes through when and you see all the sports he played in like. I think that translates pretty well to the N._F._l.. So next let's move onto Jay. Stern Burger in this is on who's like I actually he's. He's my number three tight end <hes> in dynasty because of the spot like Green Bay. I don't think Jimmy grand is really gonNA stay. Eh offered that much longer and although the like the draft capital wasn't as high as like Earth's mit junior he still was a third rounder at added taxes A._M.. At six four to fifty one so what do you think about his attributes like his pros cons and like who you competent to yeah I mean I agree with you. I think like he is going to be he is a quarterback Aaron Hernandez Aaron Hernandez <hes> Aaron Rodgers I think he's at he's guy that perfect I agree. I think Jimmy Grams time is Kinda. Come into end so it's a good situation for Jason Berg that he can make the best of it. He was a third round at Texas A._M.. Six four two hundred and fifty pounds that's we're getting all these tight ends under like perfect. Titans is but like we said earlier this this warring and starnberger and more tight ends tended to be that drop off area so it's really up to Jason if he wants to make something out of his career now make the most out of his time with a with a Aaron Rodgers <hes> <hes> even though he may seem like an inline blocker he he actually also is more of the in-space blocking type Titan. He's a good route runner and he's a pretty good receiver. Impasse catcher knows how to not really secure the ball I good hand eye coordination and and he adjusts routes well on the fly <hes> e could improve in blocking like I said earlier like I said it's kind of more of a spatial type blocking so maybe more so lined up in the sky or I'm coming from a fullback situation by could bulk up a little more if he wants to play if he lines ends up in a slot life fullback or the back so yeah I kinda like it up. Do a player like Jack Doyle Yeah and I think people are forgetting. Doyle was a quality tied like he got injured like a law ariss career and since we had the Eric Abram like coming out scoring touchdowns like every single game having that monstrous touchdown ray at monsters fancy ins a Jack Doyle is still very good tight end and if it was just him and Andrew Luck in Eric Lebron wasn't there a than Jack Doyle would be like a top five tight end so I think people are sleeping on him. I'm a bit <unk> <unk> Burger like I liked his talent as the fourth best <hes> just pure talent in the draft at thought he is a bit betting he'll warring but thousands me and with his opportunity like that rockets even over Smith in my opinion so right now I actually have Noah Fan. I have <hes> T._J.. Hopkinson I have J. Serger than I've urged Smith and lastly I have coghill warring radio might help five so for Dynasty Dynasty ranks so let's get into couples sleepers here <hes> just quick touch on them <hes> because like we're running low on time but elise Mac from I'm the saints like he's a low draft capital <hes> seventh round pick but he does have great opportunity with Ben Watson. He says he may be coming back but he's he's getting old and that entire offense like if abuse MAC has a chance to plan drew brees that can be something special in me Josh Albert to you because you're just the Jaguars fan here. So why do you think about Josh Oliver. I actually am very excited about <hes> John Oliver. I mean he's a he's a tall tight end. <hes> kind of a pass catching guy can own the on the ball on the same routes you know <hes> I think he's Gonna I'm not saying he is a <hes> Zach Earth's but I believe that's how John Diva Developiong once used him in the Jaguars offense and I think he kinda I wanna just nick foles needs that so easily pass catcher definitely in amis starter <hes> especially percents you know all the jags have right now is kind of I think they have shaughnessy and he's kind of special teamer in Austin Superior Jenkins as we touched on the Patriots now <hes> and I really I really think this guy is going to be athletic. Mega happen for for cajones so yeah. That's it for our tight end portion so now let's get into the running bags and we are below on time so we're going Comienza bid but yeah I would start with Josh shake ABC's a number twenty four pick in the first round which is the second of the raiders three picks as I mentioned previously eh in. I think this is a great landing spot. So what do you think about like his abilities in his pass catching in his rushing and do you you think he could be like like someone who greatly benefits at offense especially after the chorale injury. Oh Yeah I think I think Josh Jacobs jobs was a a wonderful pick for the raiders one of my favorite pick for them. In the first round I think especially after they reached <unk> barrel however is he's a great running back good frame five ten two hundred twenty pounds. He's he's got barely any tread on his tires on talking about like not even half of what most running back Aksu who were drafted have so that's a huge upside after splitting it three ways at Alabama splitting the <unk> three ways Alabama he really has a lot lot left in the tank coming freshly into the N._F._l.. So that's awesome I think honestly he has a high ceiling. He's going to hop right in there is rumors of marshawn Lynch saying that he might come back retirement but those are just rumors at this point <hes> if Oakland would want him back on they may not even want back but they might but he's a good pass catcher as well <hes> he doesn't have a top end speed but that might be also because we haven't really seen enough of noth- opportunities opportunities for him to bus open fields like we have for Daming Harrison all them <hes> so he can work on some things but I think I got him started as early rookie of the year your candidates <hes> and I think I kind of have him. I have him <hes> like into an album Chimera type game so layer cop out Alvin Kamara out Henli hearing Alvin Kamara just makes like all the fancy listeners out there like that instantly puts them on notice now is which they they definitely should because the raiders landing spot is amazing like unfortunately there was a Crowell injury and like the I don't know if he's going to be able to bounce back and come back in his career since Achilles injuries are they're the worst injury for any running back like that there is basically like tornadoes a word that issue in the past but now due to like advancements in that tornado technology. It's becoming a lot better but Achilles are still like they're so major injury for running backs and because he did have that injury like I don't think there's any legitimate <unk> <hes> <hes> competition for <hes> for Josh Jacobs and I think Josh Jacobs's legitimately like her like a late second round pick in in drives and he could have a strong argument made for the one one like I haven't as I one one in all except for super flex <hes> <hes> to Q._B.. Leaks there have kind of moderate but in normal rookie drafts I have him as the One oh one and that's just because of his opportunity like having the opportunity to be a workhorse role in <hes> a raiders offense is getting better with Derek Carr with Antonio Brown and just Don Antonio Brown like his one of his relatives is actually drafted in Marquees Brown to the Ravens ads just fun factory all out there but but I think that <hes> I think that Josh Jacobs is definitely my number one running back prospect before and after draft coupled things like he was in a three away timeshare at Alabama's production wasn't great but that also means that yet reduced wearing terror so I think that he can definitely be instinct contributor and he'll you'll be one of those players that you should definitely try target in both redraft end India C. which is rare because usually dynasty I especially for wide receivers you don't WanNa talk or excuse me redraft you don't want to target them because they need time to like learn the offense boat a connection with their quarterback connection with the coaching staff but I think that Josh Jacobs will instantly step in and be great so let's move onto David Montgomery and he's a he went to the bears as third rounder which which is actually a bit surprised about seeing mall sanders and the like go ahead of him but David Montgomery. What do you think about him? Oh David Montgomery ethic is a is a pretty good pick. I like him a lot actually <hes> yeah he he was the Iowa State Guy. You know that I really thought honestly taught Hakeem Butler would be taken for him. Was that what we talked about earlier but David Montgomery as a running back is just a pretty good. I'm happy for Iowa state to have so many players drafted this year. I think it's a big year for them. They was like a record year of how many I think they had five which is big for them but yeah he's he's actually in high high school. This guy was a dual threat quarterback so that was actually impressive. I love athletes like that. That have that history of you know that leadership position at quarterback the ability deleted play all over the place <hes> he's one of the safest runners in a draft <hes> he's got a great combination of this no size our vision toughness and creativity so he's kind of quirky in the way he runs a little bit sometimes but he he he's fun. He's fun to watch <hes> the good landing spot for him. I think the only thing he really has to worry about with the bears Z.. Sharing carries we'd like to read Cohen <hes> I think Jordan Howard's off off elsewhere so <hes> yeah I have likened player to Kareem Hunt. I know that's kind of a touchy subject right now but <hes> Kareem Hunt still has talent I went in. I like in his talent to David Montgomery yeah like I I agree with in Florida. Kareem Hunt like news out there like cream hind. He just did some monsters things we'll touch a touch on that in various difficult <hes> different podcasts so <hes> hope that the lady who's injured in the altercation Ho she's okay and like that's really what we could say about cream hind on he'd <unk> inexcusable and like yet but he's still is like despite the incidents off the field. He still is a great town town on the field <hes> which I kind of say reluctantly since his off the field issues but I think that David Montgomery yet he has similar like <hes> attributes on the field supreme hunt and he is my number two are running back in dynasty because <hes> I think that in the bears offense after after Jordan Howard left Torri Cohen is more of a special team specialists and <hes> like a pass catcher and he lines up a lot of time to in the slot so I think that he will invade on David Montgomery's carries that much maybe four to five carries a game for Cohen and Mike Davis who they got from the Seahawks to replace Jordan Howard his values shot like no way you drafted running back into the round after trading out for him like he might Dave is value shot Cohen. I think we're play a similar role. As last year a he'll be the passing you'll be a pass catcher of the boom games and you have the bus games but I think that David Montgomery Montgomery is another player who could step in pre like pretty soon. I think Max Davidson him may split carries for first couple of weeks. I think he still has a lot of value in redraft draft as well as obviously dynasty is my second raid Ryan back so how about we move onto Mao Sanders on the eagles and I know a lot of people love him <hes> <hes> because of his landing spot and despite there being like the Josh Adams the <hes> Jordan Howard all those players on the eagles like Jordan when he got traded I think for fifth or sixth rounder to the Eagles but yeah they're they're so a lot of hype surrounding him. So what do you think about him. I honestly thought that the Eagles would take <hes> Jacobs Josh Jacobs in the beginning on in the first round. That's I had Ed Jacobs mark to the Eagles in the first but as far as Mile Sanders I'm I'm pretty excited about it. was he had a really tough draw you know and he really stuck it out. I need those <unk>. This speaks to the loyalty of the of the young man he stuck it out behind Saquon Barkley <hes> yet it you know and and wrote out his time I am in <hes> got his chance made the most of it in turn himself into a second round pick and I think that's pretty impressive <hes> so he he he's a well-built adult kind of like you can just see he strides and he kinda glides and it's real smooth type movements. I kind of liked that about him footwork and agility. He's got good agility so he can shake tacklers pretty well so yeah I that that time behind eight much like a Jacobs see you wear and tear issue not there that just only two hundred seventy six carries total so <hes> is no. You shouldn't have to worry about as far as health <hes> not not that. I you know knock on wood for the Guy I don't want to jinx them or anything but maize is at a pretty steady career in <hes> as far as as long as he doesn't get beat up too much he should be able to continue that steadiness than keep control of his body on apparently had low production against <hes> <hes> defensive defenses <hes> he's pretty <unk>. A little bit of explosiveness fumbles might have been a little bit of an issue form this year as well so yeah I think <hes> kind of would like him to <hes> you know I wanna say a more productive active T._J.. Yellen which I kinda like it you know when I watch T._J.. Yelled Nykanen see as far as them as far as the way he runs in carried the ball in his mannerisms but not the same player but I like T._J.. Yelled to like you know a Todd Gurley tight movement so they don't get me wrong as Because him going to the rams through rounder very explosive but like it's a terrible landing spot behind girly. I don't don't really WANNA discuss as much about Gerald Henderson. I WANNA discuss about Todd Gurley like the fact that Todd Gurley is <hes> like Deidra they moved up in the third round to get a backup to Todd Gurley. So how do you think about Todd Gurley and like his arthritis knee and like. Do you think he like has long term potential to be a starter because that's one of the questions like I honestly I don't have a definite answer on that talk girly. Yeah we have a definite answer on on but as far as Todd Gurley I think that need is a little worrisome in and you know authority that <hes> that type of ailment is very lingering and painful and can be can make the game kind of unfunded for somebody you know and I'm sure you know football. If you ever had like an interest with you from game to game to game or practice practice practice. This game starts to become a little bit weary in wear on you you you tend to think that this might be a like a a not great spot right but like when one C. J. Anderson was really big for the rams in the playoffs now what if what if Darryl Henderson kind of became that guy y you know not necessarily saying he anderson because C. J. Anderson just the bowling ball and you can any kind of wills his way wherever he wants to go but todd Gurley like we're saying because of his knee. If you want to make Todd Gurley lasts longer you're gonNA have to back them up a little bit more and he might need more support than others and it's kind of the Lebron factor you know like the bronze the best player in the world but at the same time he needs support because he we can't do it all themselves. His body can't withstand all the pressure all the days of work so I kinda like in that to the same thing with Todd Gurley. I think he'll it'll be a long time back but he's GonNa need support and I agree. That like girly definitely needs that support. I think what is going within the terrible. Landing spot is <unk> Sanderson was at the peak of his production like girly was injured and despite conflicting rumors on that I firmly believe because after preseason he did undergo small surgery so that indicates to me that <hes> he was injured during the playoffs and there were some pretty interesting things so just like aside real a bit like if you look at <hes> C._J.. Anderson's interviews he went on Fox for like a day <hes> talked about that Colin cowherd with a skip a chanted on undisputed and on undisputed. He said that Gurley was injured and then on the heard he said that growing was injured at first but then in the playoffs he was completely okay and that is something that like it shot me when I heard that one he was contradicting himself and he repeated this over and over and Mike Two went under the radar completely wheatley like the fact that C._J.. Anderson was saying that Gurley was okay in the playoffs and even with that like C.. J. Anderson out snapped him out yardage yardage team so I think that there's definitely something there. I think that girl is arthritis. Need something. It's a big concern like it's painful but it's also just just like you gave him while the largest contracts for Ryan back in N._F._l.. History if not the largest I don't recall but you need to protect that asset and I agree he needs support but I think that he was injured and he'll step back into not as much of a worker's role as he was at the star of last season but pretty similar and also I Gerald Henderson he was drafted but I think that although the he had decent draft capital with him that he will have to share bidded time with Malcolm Brown as the backup role since they match offer sheet when he tried to go to the lions <hes> earlier in the off season so I don't know <hes> about the landing spot. I don't think that it like is conducive to him being a fancy like starting type of player but he does have some value <hes> as S. one of the best handcuffs in the league behind girly so next quickly touch on like Damon Harris's well like we're kind of running a bit long time here <hes> he was on the Patriots third round pick and like what do you think about the Patriots backfield because like I think it's really done now. Yeah I mean. I think it's very crowded. I think you know you gotta combination of Sony Michelle James White <hes>. It's it's. It's a lot back there but I think even bolden in came back at one point last season. He might be back this season. They love him. They love bullet. I don't know why when when he went to Miami and then came back to New England they like they welcomed him back with like he was like he was almost m._v._p.. anyways <hes> I think this guy is explosive. I think he's predicted. Productive Live Alabama. I think like you said he started over Josh Jacobs. who was the number one running back we have here so if you do that? You must have some sort of decent these good powerful run. I religious kind of think he was good. Pick for for the third round and the Patriots are GonNa utilize them so many ways that he's probably gonNA score more touchdowns in that and really score touchdowns. That'll be as big as impact. You might not gain a lot of yards you might not you know <hes> hit home runs ends but I think it was four touchdown and I like a player comfort. Him would be one like Mark Ingram which is like although marketing Grimsson later in his career he was very good on the saints like he was a counterpart to Alva- Kamera thunder lightning type of situation. I agreed. It's it's a very crowded backfield a supposed by bolden. You're meaning birket. No I forgot about birkhead but I was referring into his first name but he was running back for them. He left in free agency and went to the dolphins. He's been a longtime longtime runningback for they have just like loved in for some reason the he scored. He's like more of a goal line type player but <hes> I don't know why they love him so much but he's been with the Patriots forever. Let's move on to I think we have two more left in than a couple of sleepers so devon single -tary endeavour third round pick five seven to three so he's incredibly small like not only the height. The weight is pretty concerning to me. So what what do you think obviously the opportunity is. It's good because you have shady McCoy and you have Frank Gore who are old and almost retiring and T._J.. Contract is in like massive one so you don't think that he's a major part of offense that he could get the opportunity to like be a like a straw like a starter type material although I don't think he's built for a war coast workhorse type role. What do you think about Devon? I think he's a I like this guy. He comes from a smaller school down in Florida in and I think he's a really good pick for them. <hes> especially given he's kind of a change not with not a change of pace but I would call a change of style like like a Chore Guy Can't see him. Where's he at you? GotTa locate him once you locate him. He's kind of slippery. Then was slippery. He'll dodge or duck it's he. He's got all these kind of traits this leave I you know he I like him to a player kind of like Marie Jones drew. If you remember him for the Jags he was he was just a very fun player wore chip on his shoulder because he was drafted in the second round and when he wore the number thirty two because so many teams pass them Eric is thirty two teams passed him and then he ended up being one of the best running backs in the league for while while he was playing in the League league he was just a five seven two hundred something pound guy just a just just a solid muscle running down the field carrying a football and that's what I like in a single terry too so I think I think the bills Kinda got themselves something here with this guy he could. He could actually have a a good chance to to change up some some style for the bills. Maybe have some fun with Josh Allen up there as a quarterback and I agree with the party like <hes> of the changes style just add on like infancy football usually when you have a rushing quarterback which is what Josh Challenge is like it's conducive to building a better environment for running back to thrive night thing that that's going to grade the benefit Devon secretary and that he'll do well. Unfortunately his combine was pretty bad like four six six at five seven to three is like it shows no high end speed but I think that his other attributes like is <hes>. He's a willing blocker very elusive like I think that Devon singles are definitely. He has some potential but yeah I think he needs to bulk up a bit and I I like the Maurice Jones drew. com permit probably not like ever going to be back good but I think that he's a similar type of player in the way that we are comparing to <unk> Tagro Yogurt <hes> earlier like they're definitely we not the same player but I like they both have some similarities in the game right so yeah so how about Justice Hill and this is our last running back that we're gonNA discuss to the Ravens as a fourth round pick. So what do you think about him. I love this big for the Ravens <hes> <hes> I'm not like a ravens fan or anything but if I had to be a fan of another team it would be the ravens. I'm originally from Baltimore so I have a lot of family members. You root for of the Ravens on I've ingested hill was phenomenal big. He had a great combine on me killed it you know at the forty. He ran a four point four. That was amazing racing. It said that he has mazing balls ball security so he doesn't like fumble on his little bit shift in open fields so that's cool about him. I like him to a player like Joe. Mixing on it. Kinda gets that you know AH shifting <unk> each kind of smaller guy which makes it super small but his quick these fats any any as good an open field. He's good it is good in the <hes> in the air game which I think Justice Hill will be game to. It'll be great for him in the Mark Jackson. I think it'd be paired together. I think that's GonNa be a fun combination nomination. Watch I think just just I don't know what you're going to great amount fantasy but I see a bright future for this kid and I D to Ask me so I I had him as my number four <hes> dynasty running back which is a lot higher than the expert consensus but just to give you my ranking incense were almost on the fancy relevant running bags. I had Josh Jacobs Number One David Montgomery number two mile sanders number three just for like upside sake number four. I had just as number five add seven single terry so now let's get into some sleepers and <hes> we'll just briefly talk about them because we need to wrap up a bit so Bryce love for Washington. It shocked me that they actually went for him. Obviously like it was a value add with <unk> <music> but monstrous. If he had entered a draft last year he would have been a second round pick early second round. Pick this jury fall into the fourth round but not roy that important right now with Darius Guys A._p.. Anchor stumps in ahead of him but <HES>. I think that he has a future if he could get right he has A._C._l.. Injury Right now tornado also if you get right after that I think bryce love could be contributor in Alexander Madison like he is a vite. He's he is drafted it into the Vikings Organization and he's ready to step into Tavis Murray role and he's a very valuable handcuff because Davin Cook like always gets injured so I think that's it for the running back and tight end portion of podcast so <hes> tyler so. What do you got about your other other projects that you're working on? I heard that you're working on the sixty minute. Suspension podcasts turf sports amplify network suggests yeah just tell you a bit about it absolutely i. I'll go ahead and tell you a little bit about turf sports because that's how we got connected through one of our one of my editors ned. I loved turf. Sports is a place at a they picked me up about eight months ago on I started writing with them and I've had a blast ever since <hes> ric kind of <hes> we're still kind of in the developmental stage of the teams that were Kinda. You know deciding against what you would call leadership sort so I've kinda taken on a head had N._F._l.. 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NFL Fantasy Football TE Rankings

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NFL Fantasy Football TE Rankings

"What do you got your boy aimed to you. Got your border banks. Gee what would i do bomb. Change up on you ready for that. We're very nope. That's what we like to do now. Surprises is there is serious. Serve so welcome visitor. Tynan show You know there's been preseason going on kind of paying attention but not really but the just means we're that much closer to the star of the nfl season. Yeah you ready. Are you happy excited on the side of a mexican side for council. But he's off sooner than wait for that but yeah boomer sooner ranking top-five again per usual. Will they finish their probably not unusual. You especially especially sec. Do we'll see have boss phone. You get to see these guys before they come in the league but We'll see more except for the nfl one of the reasons because it got fantasies seconds. 'cause we got the packers baby go. Pat go won super bowl. This infinite win the super bowl okay. Let's get it so for we're going. We're doing our tight end. Show this today Going over top. Fifteen tight ends. Maybe give you one or two extra bonus guys. Yeah we'll see we'll tell you feel so be sure if i was all over social media were on every platform you could think of not everyone but instagram. Facebook are two most prominent ones. We post on there often. We're going to be doing daily posts any relevant news during the season twitter. Check us out pod being you can follow. Listen to us live record a show you can interact with us saying with youtube. We are recording live on youtube right. Now we're recording live on twitter right now. Yes there will definitely please listen to us. Check us out live. A we oftentimes released the content live before we release the podcast episodes. 'cause we gotta do some editing notice takes a little bit longer but those platforms if you're not a fan of those platforms. We got the podcast. Who so again. We're on pod. Being spotify soundcloud at amazon apple pie. Google pod stitcher Or you no indoor. I endured depend on at all. His door has podcast now. Multiple modes today heaven pandora. I'd really dropped. That's fine because i forget some we've been going on going on right now. Follows on instagram in youtube. Also a twist to balance. Which yup but you know for the swag follow follows you to let us know. You're following us on both. You can some let's go. Let's get tough titans. I'm a big fan of touchdowns not really book. Italians are silent but who really likes tenants. I mean i think. I think i think tight ends are if you draft correctly having one of the better tight ends at produces tim points a week in set you apart because not everytime does that yup and you can listen to our mock draft episode to see some draft strategies and see where we like to take. Our towns are the move position in all add that certain people play moves during people played a move position if you the move. This is the more athletic titans that that you played a slide that mutlu princeton move around phil. So that being said i'm every positions position nine titans china's through the only time move top fifty thousand eight and hit us with a three guys. He got our logan. Thomas adam trotman in jericho and fifteen fourteen thirteen fifteen fourteen thirteen trautmann was was a guy who is a guy who everyone's high on Especially with are they gonna do okay. Experts the experts trautmann. I go twenty. Mean i mean i'm expert go. I'm sorry drought belt. So so trump no traumas. Fourteen logan timeless thailand him last year. If you pick them up early you know talk about every week. He's actually being drafted ahead of traveling But i think traveling is. He has his potential to be big. This share that tj. Jackson potential That's why i haven't in my top fifteen Jerry cook jerry cook. Obviously but logan time obviously love him too. Because he's in office you that you kinda like the show you think the acquisitions of curtis samuel. Ano- humphries hurts alone thomas. i don't i. Just i just there. There were times he there you know. He ate 'cause down the there fifty times. I don't see them being with the acquisition of those players and also dispatcher. Accident being up in some games. I have to use him as much. But i still think he's gonna produce Top fifteen numbers aren't having higher. I don't want my team. On over. Fifteen jared cook. A fourteen zaki thirteen hippie. He goes and bits on over higby. I think he'd be could be have a great year. He's on the rams right. Yep okay jailed everett left. I sit up on. The sleeper episode is fine. He'd be tight on the rams. Yeah you got stafford. A new sheriff in town we'll see if they can connect stanford does like the least that everybody pretty much. He loves the titans. Yep so i think he'd be could be on. Solid sleeper tight on listeners. Mostly represented the same as well. Exactly not excited about him. Just because that miami offense and the jared cook could be another guy. Don't sleep on him. He takes the charter starting tight end. Roll a hundred. Henry gone enter. Jerry cook big athletic tight end excited to see him in harbor chemistry they they could be a problem. Although cook as you know. I think thirty four or something but yeah i have i jerry lewis. Why haven't what thirteen. Yep all right. So Yes herb smith mike ezaki in gutters. Really talk about mike ezaki. He ran if you listened to our episode slasher dfs. I had listened lot in my lineups. He ran a lot of routes out of a slight last year. The most of any tight end so they they move them around a lot You know he's heavily involved in their in their passing game. I think i think he was security. Blanket That's why haven't there number eleven obviously got it on the eagles. I like the offense. I have in my top ten in irv smith. Is this athletic. Freak of Exactly they do. He was to as most reliable target. He did some good games last year. those are number twelve eleven ten. I got cold combat on the bears. Earth smith on the vikings logan thomas. There let you said earth schmidt dick van him. He conned split time with off so was on the field the whole time. A rudolph's gone now. So i believe he will be on the field a lot more and he will be will produce third receive around the kirk. Cousins pecking order. So i think we're smith always have another guy coconut solid rookie season last year. I think he takes a big league. This year i can seem catapulting into like about the top seven range for tight on. So don't see him kokomo like him way. More than an trautmann errands fixing could be I'm good right then. I have no. I'm just that's too close to call to questions. Like i said i've i've traveled fourteen. I mean commits lower than the my ranking. But yeah you don't get a better iverson i. I'm not big on guidance. Ninety seven yes. So i got eric bryan. Still up on this guy air bryant higby no fan i would see no fan In is is that offense. You know hah potential. Don't know if they had imagine that writer offense. My guys talent. Higby is a sleeper. Hit playing like you guys. I mean you had him ranked loan out surprise if you had them bring so long unbelievable okay so it means you like Pygmies i think he's van drafted average. Adp rid near my notes Habe piggies sorry. Higgins averaged one. Oh six Dallas yachters eighty six. So hold twenty picks later. You can grab tyler hippie. Staffer loves a tight. Andy loves to to You know hit the seems. He's pretty pretty aggressive. Throwing resumes well. John fit the ball in between things. So can take a look at what active stafford before saffir went down. This pretty good. So that's why. I got be raked at number eight. Yes i do have hit me pretty low but again i'm aiming to get one of the top six tight ends if i don't get a top six hundred and then i'm waiting. I'm getting irv smith coconut. I hate the ger cook. So i got pretty well but you know i like these guys. Why don't show love the ranking show. But you gotta give the people list check off. I know who i want but you know we need our fans that have list check them. Checklists are these available. No let me get this bone such for fancy success. Baby all right number nine giving bobby number. Eight noah fan are seven. Bales goddard cranium. Robert hunting on the packers fifty two catches on fifty nine Think roger's knows you can go to him and he'll catch it in the hilbert yards for him. So i think onion could be a little increase workload and more condit's on that offense so not necessarily teams are focusing on just spreading the field out more creating more mismatches. that'd be a problem. Non-fat will go so you think what travel with twelve this year. Who tell would. I say trauma yet. Tanya i'm sure i'm trying to think how he how he did did he did allow touch on fifty two catches a lump of shots to targets the targets for me. It's the targets for me was about twenty percent of this catches gopher pixel targets for me. I haven't ranked lower than that. I was outside of the top fifteen just because of the targets. Oh yeah but look at all the guys around him but one guy around on rankings. These guys all got one hundred targets ninety. Eighty those are those are those. Are those confidence tynan five lesser. 'cause i fifty catches physicists. Yeah anyways annot fan you kind touch base on him. Denver offense winner mel really what we're going to get one hundred hundred last year. Yes but the sun was her that often as a mass that teams We'll see. I like to guys on the denver. Offense fan are not even famine. Signed in devante doubt scott number seven. I think hurts his best hard. I think he will be the one the only player on the eagles out get if sanders late. I'll take him are got. I think him in. The hurt will have a good connection powered about earn. Sa- guys garbage. he stinks. He's trashy he's gonna get hurt he's gonna get traded. I don't care not relevant at all. His statement said his name bells got though big fan of him. Look to see what he can do. Your tooth hurts now. Yeah let's go one by one. Top six calculates number. Six run outside the top five and i haven't they're just destroy the best we don't know you know the the potential is there but we don't know how is gonna adjusted program. We don't know if it if it was just because he was faster. More flooding those guys because china isn't nfl are are super super or design. Attendance the linebackers and safeties or super have larry college. You might go is a team that has a converted lyman. You know who wasn't big enough. Be line but was super fast You know be in in coverage They're gonna move around a lot. He's taken over prema- signal. Where julio julio targets will was mostly with think he's gonna do. But i mean he has potential but he also has bus with temperatures domestics yup. I agree competent six. I had him higher. I hadn't actually at four when i started for those reasons. You know you name. I did move him down to six also last year without julio you saw russell gauge involved the law in the falcons offense release the beast. Not saying gay just by pants. But i think you'll see some inconsistencies in pits game and for that reason i haven't What a shout shelterless comment. Oh god maybe james gonna sleep iraq. He didn't see linebackers. Now we have two ways. It's hilarious too funny. Sure he's not wrong. Janus trawling traveling brandon trump in common. But we both got six number five. The hot number five debate between him and the next four accidents china number four last year. Know listen to our show. Last year we told you paxton was was our guy to have a big year. Breakout season Zombie with jared goff. The wide receiver core on alliance. Aren't really all that. Sorry the receivers on on the lines. Aren't you know all that tight. You know what. I'm saying the upshot pyramid you know. Yeah terror williams. Okay whatever you know yes other people that team but hock. Nothing's going to have a. He repeat year last year. But i have Number five. I like knock andrews of the ravens. It's probably you're talking about. Yeah i mean so. Yeah remember i. My andrews looking top managers. You'll get ganders last year fifty catches on eighty targets. Not the pie. Accessory only some touchdown a couple like multi tron game so he was fairly inconsistent last year. I seem improving a little bit this year but still some inconsistencies again. That fifty eight catches on eighty. Eight targets is not not good yemen. That's gotta get better the stone to you know you don't like to rest onto though it's lamar jackson less one. Just so high us. He's never better year here. I'm saying like lamar's leverrier based on offense you've been on. Nfl video your run lead the average. You're actually. New quarterback goes to new personal coach. Let's say even if it doesn't get better what's it gonna be sixty five eighty eternity nabi. The only target on the raven sees mars. Best targets tie-down which is good for for that reason. I got five or not higher. Who's in before. Because if he's my number four mark andrews. Yeah oh yeah okay number. Four people are going to be happy about this one. George kittle up by only prisoners kiddle outside the top. Three at tight. End are really here this one. You know. Sanford's often suspect the brandon. Are you in a second or third second year. A you deebo samuel year third year emerging One other guy. It was name but They love to run the ball. Obviously kindle is jimmy dean or whoever's quarterback in started going to be the quarterback in san fran he's gonna be the favorite target but Based on the lack of volume you've seen his targets obviously got hurt last year user talking to dip the year before. But you got to get the ball near you. Get the ball in the uk's hands you get the ball devil's hands a lot. Just based on volume. I don't think it will be atop the ton on this year. Even if you stay all day. I like these other three better but i was surprised but on the volume aspect. Fancy saul ball. If you don't get volume hurts your value. So for that reason. I think it a little bit. Put him in number ten number four. Did you name missouri. Yep is as will make sure you aren't. We know who. The top two are calcium. Lawler number no okay. I don't have kelsey wars kelsey hall. I don't i mean it was. It was tough so waters my number three. It was tough between those two. I mean i don't think during graph was going to be the quarterback. I see them going to rookie. In screams. tight enemy is screams. Like a lot of leabeau's kinda screen pan and veith now. I don't think so glen. Yeah this in that hurts. I think i think lessons. I mean the getting a hundred forty fifty targets the other two. But i get more touchdowns than other to assume. Being more more of their the guy they lean towards get closer to the red zone I see them seem being a guy. Movie chains but waller haven't number three I've had kill slightly item. Hire them because just because he's in after you can't go wrong with the top two with with kitto waller as surviving you had number four. Not really surprised by that number four. But while was a bee's while of the converted wide receiver to tight end. Is i just don't like his quarterback that's why would amend number number three. Yeah but you know. You can't argue with one hundred forty targets. And i also think privacy was gonna emerge this year. I'll definitely but why would you wanna merge this year still you know. I think the rangers don't either that good The receivers or team okay. You have john traffic so yeah well. Who's your number. Who's your number three number three. Tj a big fan of hockey this year I think he's going to be very good at this number four last year. Hit some good games hundred targeted at six seven catches. That percentage isn't the greatest. I think golf could. We'll come in and improve that remember last year. They had what. David blow a couple of other guys. That so quarterback beginning stanford got hurt so hopkinson only at six hundred. I think you can come in and be a lot more successful golf. And i think he has not. He can get eighty catches host. A thousand yards and ten touchdowns. Does that mean hats off and number two you obviously at waller yup number two waller Volumes hundred four six zero one hundred twenty targets. He'll be in line for ninety catches. So cannot you'll back. He's is as good as the top tier wideouts. Maceio amick kelsey. Sorry it counties. Better obviously for anything. Everybody's got kelsey had this guy's been timing number one through four years in a row. Will he slow down. I don't know. Now i you can't say he will because you have no factual no facts to go that i wouldn't be surprised if you see a decline at some point will be this year. I don't know they've addressed a tight end. Drafted asad brooke. I forget his name. But we'll obviously he's not gonna will take kelsey snell. Elevate in the russell two cents. Yeah so they definitely bill. Yeah so so. So you got Pretty much you got kelsey waller Akerson in india got killed. I mean i like akerson. But i think you'll have any but about on that those rates fairly. I think it's similar to the herber in rogers thing we could do that. Yeah okay what are we. We'll have to do the lunch thing. Ever we all right all right when s name a couple more outside. That's our enza leg. I said you know. Mostly i guess but i think how on forbid season for that reason taking him about four of his love as my starting pedants before taking him before starting lineup. Okay yeah so. I don't i don't know why why put This guy here a must at a brain fart Seventeen no it's not the guy wanted. All seventeen is hunter henry. I think he's starting the in on on the patriots versus They will run to sets kind of similar to win the saw when they had a aaron ndas in rob gronkowski. I was a little lighter than with those guys. It higher up list. They don't have tom brady football. You know they have mac jones So i i do see a lot of uses over those guys wedding hunter. Henry have better year. So i have met at seventeen in robert Sixteen target of the at last year. I don't i don't see him. Ravina the the w touchdowns i see it about the same targets with. I don't see the monto adams eighteen touchdowns all the ask you can. Yeah i hear a lot of people say no way is eighteen so he can fifteen or those extra. Tv's potentially bobby airedale's not a fan of john hunter hundred at all. I don't want any peace of the patriots offense Couple times like awesome hooper. Start getting some good games together. Last year on cleveland late in the season. Obviously odell back. But i think who burn baker. Have a good connection. I think hooper remember he was. It was a top tight end hoover. Yeah three four years ago. Yeah so he can still do it. It wasn't people buchanan muga. Yeah so still thinking. I think he can on something like the top ten. Have eight ten ranch. Joe everett seattle again. He was splitting time on the rams ship. Him off boosts the end the average value in alaska. Name anthony fraser. Our freezer is the first fractures for skiers. On the titans assam. Johnson started last year. He had a couple of games in john. Lewis her but jonzon. Who who does an. Nobody's gonna game plan. Nobody's give a shit with fracture does on the field so i think they take advantage of that. You don't want to start him. But i think you can have some saw games and finishing the you know fourteen. Fifteen range no. He did miss the darwin for him. He's on my list. But outgun that i got too many other weapons is true. Gronk we don't care about the syndrome over him. That's that's it like elvis. Put him on my list to say to see what you're saying. He can't catch the ball. He caused them only three pigs last year so important. I'll just give up all right that does it for the eventual hope. He hasn't going hope love. They give some feedback labs. Don't you guys think hopefully missed anyone. Let us know you think. I'm eddie hopkinson Ahead of kittle. I'm sticking by. I'm sticking to it will discuss it at the end of this year. Maybe next year we'll see what it is but be sure to check out running back rankings. 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